The Joe Rogan Experience - #771 - Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: March 7, 2016

Eddie Bravo is a jiujitsu black belt, music producer, and author. http://www.eddiebravoinvitational.com/

It's just a perfect situation. And we're live. Yeah, and what? And it's a UFC. Yeah, yeah. We're talking about UFC Fight Companion Podcast. They're so ridiculously fun. They're more fun than doing it live.

Yeah. And what I was saying is what makes them super crazy special for me, I look forward to them so much, is it's not just the best possible podcast situation, the most fun, the funnest shit. We could talk about anything. we could talk about gay shit It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We could do anything Yeah, talk about sucking dick we could talk about totally talking and get away with it

Uh-huh, and people starting getting sick of it though, so we should probably pull back I don't know give them more dick no they give them I don't give a fuck people are getting pissed listen Do some people are getting pissed those people you can't worry about. But the coolest thing, well, not the coolest thing, but what makes it extra cool is it's the best possible podcast situation, period. Yeah. And there's a UFC going on at the same fucking time. And we're all having fun. It's overload.

Overload. It's like you can't take it. It's like we're doing a podcast, the funnest shit ever, while the greatest show that's ever been invented is on at the same time. It's a combination of those things. And if the fight gets boring, if for whatever reason it's stagnant, we just start talking about fucking owls. You ever seen an owl stick? You're the Minotti. But if people get upset at us talking about dicks, look, that's just where the conversation goes sometimes.

Don't worry about that. We're trying the best we can to be entertaining that's all we're trying it's it's gonna be some slip-ups if you feel like we're getting too much dick in there you're allowed to express yourself I might have it we might have a pretty strong gay following now I hope we do I hope we do probably do I hope we do or make it and feel comfortable I hope they do feel comfortable I'm just keeping it real I see a guy like Alan Juban I I just keep it real. He's a beautiful man. But even more important than that, who gives a fuck?

You know, this is the thing that it's even remotely controversial that we would have a gay following. We probably have a following of Irish people, too. You know what I mean? Who cares? Who gives a fuck? Speaking of the Irish. Speaking of the Irish. I've got him right here.

Oh, man. Hey, listen, man. This guy has balls. This is why I respect the fuck out of Conor McGregor. Not just because he's an awesome fighter. And yeah, he lost to Nate Diaz, who's also an awesome fighter. But who the fuck will fight anybody? Who will just jump up in late class?

The last guy was BJ. BJ tried it. Yeah. And you know what? Even though BJ didn't, he had success once, at least at 170, he beat Matt Hughes. But at the end of the day, there's a really good reason why all elite boxers, wrestlers, fighters, weight cutting is so massively important to virtually everybody. There are some crazy people out there like Anthony Johnson.

That's the exception. everybody. There are some crazy people out there like Anthony Johnson. That's the exception. But generally there's a really good reason most people are torturing themselves to get as light as possible because at the elite level, five pounds makes a big fucking difference.

It makes a big difference. Just five pounds and then ten pounds? Ten pounds different? Elite level? Man, even the best guys aren't going up and waiting. Look at Rafa Mendes. No doubt. Probably pound, even the best guys aren't going up and weight. Look at Jafa Mendes. No doubt. Probably pound for pound the best guy in jiu-jitsu. Probably.

Him and Marcelo, Jean-Jacques, they're all up there. Bam. Pound for pound. There's so many good guys now. Jesus, it's incredible now. You know what I mean? Even Marcelo. No one's trying to go up in weight.

No one's trying to go, this year I'm going to try the weight category above me. No. Everybody's on the craziest diet they need three months they get serious about it they're on instagram posting their fucking broccoli every day and fucking selfies of their of their abs and shit you know they're killing themselves because not because it feels good. It feels like shit. They all love eating it me. It's so important So everybody knows you just can't go up and goddamn wait BJ was BJ was the one that said fuck it. He went up to light heavyweight shit Machida Five foot eight. No, it wasn't even light heavyweight, bro. It was heavyweight because Leota Machida was like 208

No, it wasn't even light heavyweight, bro. It was heavyweight. Because Lyoto Machida was like 208. Okay. I think that fight was like technically a heavyweight fight. Find that out. But you know what? If it's that close, this is... I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

That's an out-of-shape Machida. You know what I mean? He was fat, for sure. That's an out-of-shape Machida. Did you ever see when he used to fight? Like kickboxing, karate? Yeah, he was kind of chubby. He was fat.

His first UFC fight. That's not his real weight. His real weight is 205, 185. Or 18ubby. His first UFC fight. That's not his real weight. His real weight is 205, 185. But BJ did it, and I always admired him. To me, I always look at BJ as a living legend. Yeah, he's not undefeated. He got his ass beat a few times. Who gives a fuck?

Look what BJ did. He had the balls to step up and really he was a 45 er just like just like Connors no the whole time he was a fourth and in jiu-jitsu he was a 45 er he was always a 45 er fighting at 55 bought at 170 nobody else was doing it and you know Connor here he comes Connor this guy he has so much power in his hands. He had that courage to think he could finish what BJ started. You know, let me go up there and do that. Do what BJ did.

But, you know, he felt like he could fucking knock anybody out. He really, really believed he could fucking. If he lands, you're going down. And you know what? He was doing great against Nate Diaz. This is how I found out. I'm at this party, Slammy's house. And I didn't realize we were behind by a minute and a half.

I thought we were live. I thought we were live, but we were behind by a minute and a half. Everyone's going nuts. I'm watching, going, oh, shit, Lizzie Borden is sitting next to me, my childhood idol. He's one of my greatest favorite lead singers of all time. He's sitting next to me, and we're watching. Everyone's going nuts.

It looks like Conor's. To me, I was like, Conor's going to win this thing, man. He was lightening it up, cutting them all up. He was connecting. He looked really confident, like Conor looked confident that whole first round. I was going, it was over in the first or second? Second.

It was the second. So, in that round, I get a call from Joey. Oh, no. Joey's like, oh, you know how much I won. You know how much I won.

I told you. I told you. You never bet against Diaz. I go, what are you talking about? I thought I was watching. Are you talking about the Misha fight? He goes, no, motherfucker. He got choked. I go, what are you talking about? I thought I was watching. Are you talking about the Misha fight? He goes, no, motherfucker. He got choked.

I go, who got choked? Holly Holm got choked out? I'm watching the Daytonia. No, motherfucker. What fight are you watching right now? I go, I'm watching the Conor fight. As it's going on, he goes, he choked him fucking out. I'm like, dude, fuck.

And he goes, bye. Boom, he realized he fucked up. And I knew that Diaz was gonna win a minute before it happened. Did you pause it to pee or something? We were at a party and it was just behind someone rewind shit you know when you rewind shit you want to see something again and you didn't fast

forward it so we thought it was live so Joey called me hysterical and he gave it away and then once he realized he gave it away he hung hung up and goes, oh shit, bye. And I said, oh shit, bye. You just fucked up the greatest fight ever. But the fight was so crazy and so fucking insane that even though I knew.

That's better. Even though I knew, I go, okay, somehow Nate is going to take him down and choke him out. But it doesn't look good right here. I'm like, how is he going to take Connor down? That's not going to be easy. Fuck, he's going to take him down and choke him out but it doesn't look good right here I'm like how is he going to take Connor down that's not going to be easy fuck he's going to pull this off how is he going to do it I had no idea that Nate hurts Connor Connor takes him down

you know that's how it went down the place I was at was going fucking nuts everybody was screaming at the top of their fucking lungs. Everyone was. And then when he choked him out, dude, I'd never been in a party where everyone was going so crazy before. Everybody was losing their fucking mind.

I was too. Should have been at the UFC. Holy shit. Live. Everybody was going crazy. Oh, my God. Jumped up and screamed. I never screamed so loud in my motherf. Jumped up and screamed. I almost had a,

I never screamed so loud in my motherfucking life at any fight ever. Dude. That was fucking shocking. It was insane. It looked like Conor just had his hands down

and goes, I got this motherfucker. He was landing. He was tagging him. It looked like he hurt him a couple times. He definitely tagged him a few times.

You know what I mean? It looked, he was, I thought it was, it was over for Nate I really did and when he turned it around and the way it finished and when he put that fucking rear naked choke in

he put that motherfucker in like a super ninja first of all the way he mounted if you don't do jujitsu you would never know the way he fucking mounted and his balance you could see the balance you could see the beauty in that mount and the way he was riding him like a professional fucking

a champion rodeo fucking rider all his balance is all beautiful and then when he took his back the way he put that fucking hook in there was it was so. There wasn't no hiccup where he hit this jaw, and then he had to set up, and then he had to feel. It just went. It was fucking insanity. Real black belt shit. It was so perfect and so fucking, like that technique was about as flawless and as beautiful as you can get. Yeah, two big points was that we had never seen Conor face adversity, and we had never seen him on the ground with a real Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt like Nate. Nate's got a nasty ground game, man.

His ground game is tight as fuck. But people are talking a lot of shit on Conor's jiu-jitsu. I know Conor's jiu-jitsu is good. He's come to my school. That guy's good just because he got mounted and choked down. Yeah, he was already hurt but even if he wasn't hurt I get mounted

by my purple belt sometimes and I get my back there's some shit going on and at punches and fucking all this hype just because he got mounted and got his back taken does not mean

Conor's jiu-jitsu sucks. Don't get it twisted. He was a little hurt. Nate Diaz is really good. It's that Nate Diaz is really good. Nate Diaz is really, really good. You know what I mean? Like, Nate Diaz could probably do that to me.

Doesn't mean I suck. Yeah. You know what I mean? He could probably get my back. Doesn't mean I suck. I'm all right. You know, so. Well, he got hurt.

It's real simple. When you get tagged the way he got tagged, and you're trying to take Nate Diaz down, he got hurt. He probably had no idea what the fuck he was doing. You know, I haven't had an MMA fight, but Shaub was telling me about when Travis Brown hit him and that he was like, dude, I know how to get out of the mound.

But when Travis hit me, he's like, I didn't know what I was doing. I was out of it. I think that unless you get punched in the face, you can't judge his jiu-jitsu. Fuck no. It's like judging is walking if you get head kicked. Conor's jiu-jitsu is good. Nate Diaz's jiu-jitsu is Fuck no. It's like judging his walking if you get head kicked. Conor's jiu-jitsu is good. Nate Diaz's jiu-jitsu is just way better.

You know what I'm saying? That's all it is. If somebody punches you in the face and then you walk funny, like, man, you need to work on your walking. No. They got memes of Conor in like a kid's jiu-jitsu class. They put his face there. That's one that's going around. I think that's...

You got to hurt. You know what? He's hurt. He is good. Trust me. Very good. Conor's jiu-jitsu is very that's hurt you know what he's hurt he is good trust me very good connor's jujitsu is very very good stand up trust me he's not a joke especially in that first round was nasty stand up like very good he's just uh look first of all he's fearless nate is not a real 170 although he did fight 170 twice he fought uh stun gun kim and he fought uh rory rory mcdonald remember that fought those guys at Kim and he fought Rory, Rory McDonald. Remember that? Fought those guys

at 170. So he did have two fights at 170, but he's a 155-er. But he's a big 155-er. He's big and long. I don't know if he could ever make 145. I just don't think he could do it. Conor barely can do it. You know, Conor barely can do it. When you see Conor at the weigh-ins, I mean, those photos from the weigh-ins are pretty legendary. I think it's insane that we do this, that we let these guys dehydrate themselves like that. I think whatever Nate walks around at, that's what he should fight at. And I don't know if Conor really walks around at 168, which is what he weighed in, and Nate weighed 169. They're only one pound different. And Nate, you know, Nate had some body fat on him because he wasn't he wasn't preparing for this at all i think connor i think connor could make some noise at 155

shrink that up so you can see the two of those together can we do that look at look at the difference between how he weighed in before and how he weighed in this time i mean my god he looks like he has some fucking crazy disease that like won't let food absorb in his body on the top one you know like he's got some crazy illness and then on the bottom he looks great full-faced but you know if he can make 145 he's going to continue to do it do you think it's an accident that the ring card girls are like sitting right there is that an accident? It's perfect for the pictures, right? That's why they stand there. Ultimate man. It's to balance out the dude in underwear.

You know what I mean? You gotta put chicks in there somewhere. That's exactly what they do. That's funny. That's funny. I think he could completely dominate, continue to dominate the 145 division,

and I think he could make a lot of epic fights at 155. If I beat some big names but then lose to some other big names, he'll be one of the top guys at 55. I don't know if he'll just clean house like he did at 45, but I believe if he stayed at 55, he would do some serious damage. He's a bad motherfucker, dude. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. And the shit he's saying after the fight.

Perfect. Perfect shit. Perfect shit. I love what he's doing. You know what? I love how he's handling it. I think he handled his loss better than anybody. Ever.

Ever. Dude, he's saying all the right shit. He said I'm humble in victory and I'll be humble in defeat. No matter what happened in that fight, his next fight, whoever he's fighting, he's going to get fucked up.

You know what I mean? Maybe. I mean, what if he fights Dos Anjos? You know? Dos Anjos is always going to be a tough fight. He's going to get fucked up. You know what I mean? Maybe. I mean, what if he fights Dos Anjos? You know? Dos Anjos is always going to be a tough fight. He's going to cut him up. I bet he tags him a few times.

I bet you're right. I bet he tags him. I bet you're right. He's going to tag everybody. He's going to hit some people. And just because he got knocked out, a lot of people, half the people get knocked out in fights. I mean, he got knocked out. He got cracked and he got choked.

But I'm interested to see how he handles the physicality of dos anjos who's a lot more physical than nate you know dos anjos is a beast i want i want to know if he could do to connor what he was able to do to nate what he was able to do to a lot of guys like pettis what he did to pettis you know that guy's strong as shit that was so bummed out when he broke his foot i was like god that's a crazy fight that's always gonna be there but fucking Nate, all of a sudden, Nate is a superstar, dude. That little stoner is going to be, he's

probably, dude, he's super famous now. Everybody knows who Nate Diaz is. Come on, dude. He had the greatest all-time post-fight line. I gotta say, I'm not surprised, motherfucker. You know what's funny? Dude, in the beginning,

Conor won the verbal battles. The first couple press conferences, he kind of did. Conor came full blown. And then Nate won towards the end, dude. I felt that Nate was in Conor's head. I think it reversed it. I think he was pissing Conor off that he kept saying, fuck you.

He just went gangster on him every time. My crew will fuck up your crew. Like I said, if you want to make this fucking serious, we're going to pass by you guys somewhere in this motherfucking hotel. We'll jump you. We'll do that. You guys want to do that? We'll actually jump you guys and it'll be all over fucking Sherdog and shit. jump you guys and it'll be all over fucking Sherdog and shit.

Well, do you know that Claudia Gadea and Joanna Janczyk got in a full-blown street fight on the set of Tough. Head kicks, everything. You know, those two badass chicks. Claudia Gadea is a badass bitch.

You've seen her fight, right? She's nasty. You know what? She's one that I have zero images in my head? She's nasty. You know what? She's one that I have zero images in my head. She's nasty. Her and Janjacek had a really close first fight, split decision win for Janjacek. So they coached opposite side each other because she's the number one contender. Okay. When is that air?

She's ferocious. She's ferocious. I like the ultimate fighter. Both of them are ferocious. This one sounds like a good one. Dude, Janjacek is ferocious. And Claudia Gadelha. Yeah, there it is ferocious. And Claudia Gadelha. Yeah, there it is.

Dana White. Is she Gadelha? Is that a Brazilian? Is that a Brazilian? Is that a Brazilian? Yeah, man. She's a Nova Uniao girl. She's good, dude.

She's good. Fuck yeah. Real good jujitsu. And strong as shit. Strong as shit. When they fought the first time, where she was winning was on the ground. And she was doing well on the feet, too. But Joanna caught her with a big uppercut, I think in the first round, and rocked her.

Was she trying to take her down? I'd have to go back and watch it again. I remember specifics that Joanna cracked her with a big uppercut and hurt her, but that Claudia had overwhelmed her in some of the ground exchanges, and a lot of people were thinking that you and Jacek was going to have more problems with grapplers, and a lot of people were thinking that you and J-Check was going to have more problems with grapplers like Carla Esparza or like Carla's a wrestler or like Juliana Panay. What's her name?

No, Jessica Panay. Jessica Panay, the second title defense that she had. These girls tried to wrestle with her, though. You can't wrestle with her anymore. She got better. She's nasty. She's really fucking slick standing up and apparently they just went to war they just on the set beat the shit out of each other

you're dana white what do you do with uh misha dude blow her up she's huge that fight was courageous i don't know man but give her a world tour first. She won one of the greatest victories in the history of MMA. Damn. Down on the scorecards in the fourth round with two minutes to go, she hits a takedown, takes her back, almost gets shook over the top, hangs on, hangs on. That was so dramatic. Dude, that was like the end of a movie right there.

She fought so smart. She fought so smart. She did everything that all the experts were saying she was going to need to do. She did everything. Yeah. She avoided the kicks. She didn't rush in. And she had to pull it off.

Was there a minute left? How much time? I think it was like somewhere around two minutes to go when she went for the takedown. When she got a hold of her. So you're down to- Last round. Last round. And she wasn't winning the round. So you're down to- Last round. Last round. And she wasn't winning the round.

Nothing really had happened that was big and significant. She had a takedown attempt stopped. She was probably losing on the cards. Probably. Could be. I didn't look at the cards, but she won that one round for sure when she took her down. And that made everybody go, oh shit. Was that the second? Was it the second round that she took her down?

Was dominating her? Yeah, I think it was the second. Misha's wrestling surprised me. Her wrestling is a lot better than before. She's hustling, dude. She hustles. She keeps getting better. Because Holly Holman needs to take down.

She works her takedown defense. That's like her main shit. She probably works on her takedown defense more than her jiu-jitsu. This is the cards? Yeah. So what is it saying, basically? What do we got here? Misha, this is hard to do.

These are confusing. White, blue, pink. There's a pink card? I guess the different people. It just says the referees' names. Okay, so round nine. So 10-9. Well, who's red and who's blue?

Misha's blue. Yeah, Misha's blue on the left. Oh, okay. So Holly, yeah, so it must have been the, hmm, that's interesting. Wait, wait a minute. All three had 10-9 for the first. Right. All three had 10-8 for the second.

Right, that makes sense. And all three had 10-9 for the third and for the fourth. So does that make it a draw? No. That means Holly was ahead? Well, how do they judge the fourth and then the fifth? She was ahead in the fourth. So Holly was ahead by one point, right? Yeah. Even though she'd won three rounds?

Yeah, so if she would have won that round it would have been a draw, I guess. Wow. But she wasn't really winning the round right there i'm surprised that they all gave him a 10-8 that's good that's very good good good job what were their names marcos rosales good job yeah that was a yeah that was a real 10-8 that's how a 10-8 should look someone takes you down beats the shit out of you but just what an what a finish that was what was amazing about it. Holly fought smart.

She used that sidekick a lot. She's so good with her movement. She caught Misha with a lot of punches too, man. But she wasn't going after her. She would catch her with punches and stay on the outside. She was fighting a smart fight. And she got taken down. She got dominated on the ground by Misha.

And that's when I was like, wow. Misha's fucking top game is solid as a rock. Her control is excellent. Andisha's fucking top game is solid as a rock. Like, her control is excellent. And she's fucking strong, man. She's strong because Holly's strong. Holly Holm is strong. I was really impressed with her ground and pound, really impressed with her top game.

But then, you know what, man? The next round, Holly Holm got right back on her fucking bicycle and probably, in everyone's eyes, won that round, right? Yeah. All those judges' eyes. I was, to me, it was, if that would have won a decision,

I would have given it to Holly. Yeah. Just based on, you know. Depending upon how that fifth round ended. No real damage.

She never knocked Misha down. She never hurt Misha, right? Does she ever hurt her? She definitely never hurt her. She tagged her a couple times where, you know, she snapped her head

back a little bit, but it wasn't anything like boom, legs giving out. So it was about to be a semi-boring decision overall. Who would want to watch that fight again? The second round was kind of cool. It was going to be one of those fights, but just like that, Misha turned it into one of the greatest fights ever. Amazing.

Yeah, that comeback, last second. That's like a grand slam in into one of the greatest fights ever. Amazing. Yeah, that comeback, that last second, that's like a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth. And the scramble to get to the back, her scramble, the way she held on as Holly kept moving and changing and adjusting, she kept holding on. Then finally the Hail Mary, Holly tries to flip her over the top,

and she hangs on. She hangs on to the choke and sinks it in and gets the hooks in. And when Holly goes to sleep punching in the air, Oh my God. You know those old NFL films, like when you watch those Super Bowl from 1978

or something, and they have that voice and they're doing the slow-mo and all these old, you know, memorable plays, like epic plays. In 20 years, when they look back at that and they have some old like Orson Welles type narrator

talking about, you know, about going through all that transition. I mean, there was a lot of drama going on there. Man, she didn't just take her back and choke her. There was a lot of shit.

There was a lot of shit to handle first. So much was going on. So much was happening. Yeah. It was incredible. Two rear naked ch first. So much was going on. So much was happening. Yeah. It was incredible. Two rear naked chokes. The scramble, though.

The scramble was just so epic. Because the drama building up. She's down on the cards, most likely. We can't watch that? We're watching. No, we can never watch that. She's down on the cards, most likely. She's about to lose a decision, probably.

Oh, my God. She's got a hold of her. Oh, my God. She's on her back. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. She got that probably. Oh, my God, she's got a hold of her. Oh, my God, she's on her back. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, she got a choke. Oh, my God. It just kept going and going. Exactly.

And then when Holly went to sleep, it was like she didn't even tap. She just went out. She went out punching. She was throwing punches when she went out. Do you know how badass you have to be to go out throwing punches? Do you know how badass that girl is? Yeah. She went out. She went out to go out throwing punches. Look how badass that girl is. She went out. She went out throwing punches.

She didn't want to tap. Fuck, that was a good fight. Woo! It's amazing. Back to back, boom. The best fight of the night. Was that the biggest UFC ever? I mean, Jesus. Yeah, it was the biggest UFC ever. I mean, I would say it's the fight of the night, but it's not the fight of the night.

It's the same. They're both equally insane. There's no one better finale or one better end, conclusion. I think the Conor fight was more exciting because all the way through, there was a lot of damage going on. There was a lot of fire going on. With the Holly fight, there was a lot of dancing around, taking shots. There was a lot of, you know. There definitely was. There was a lot of fire going on with the Holly fight. There was a lot of dancing around, taking shots. There was a lot of, you know. There definitely was.

There was a lot less action overall. Yeah, but if you compress those, if you take out a couple of those rounds and compress it all into one round, then yeah. See, I don't think you've got to be pleased by it through the whole thing. I think what's most important is that after it ends, you have some definitive conclusion. And if it takes a while to get to that definitive conclusion, I mean, it's going to. You're right. If two fighters are tactical. You're right.

It was because of that that made the end so good. Without that, it wouldn't have been so juicy at the end. Exactly. Because she had gone through the full five. When they were in the fifth round, and it was like, we've got to see. She's trying things. They're not working. She tries this.

It works really good. Okay, now Holly's trying this. That's working. M see she's trying things they're not working she tries this it works really good okay now holly's trying this that's working misha's trying that that's not working okay now she's gonna start a kick what is she gonna do something different to get close to her how's she gonna figure it out down the score shoots for the fucking takedown grabs a hold of her gets her neck chokes her unconscious oh my god yeah it's been insane because yeah you wouldn't have been that low from that stuff yeah dude the place went insane. Because, yeah, you wouldn't have been that low from that stuff. Yeah. Dude, the place went insane. It went insane. It was so epic.

Yeah. And then, damn, Misha Tate, man. God damn, she was so happy. She's so nice. You know, she's such a, like, her and Holly, they're both so nice. It's so nice to see, like, nice people like that do really well in such a brutal, savage sport. You know? She's really nice.

Like, one of you ever... Misha Tate's never raised her voice at anybody. She's never yelling at anybody. She's real friendly. She's real sweet. To see her, the UFC bantamweight champ, I was like, wow. This is crazy. What a performance. I think Holly is a little bit nicer, though, right?

She's super nice, too. She seems like just some country wife, you know what I mean? Yeah, she's the preacher's daughter. She really is. That's what they call her. Yeah, she is. She really is, right? Yeah, she really is.

Wow. And she's tough as fuck. Dude, she went out punching. Yeah. Out cold. She was, like, throwing punches. She just wants to get, in her post-mfight interview, she just wanted to get back into it. She's like, when do you want to show up?

She just wants to get back in and get it back. You know what I loved about the pre-fight speech when she was talking about the fight itself? She was like, you know what? Ronda's going to be out for a while. She goes, I'm not fighting for money. I'm not fighting for fame. I want the action. I want to fight.

I'm like, whoa. How wild. That's how you got to think if you want to be great, right? You need something to focus on. Yeah. If you want to be a Holly Holm, I guess you have to be like that. You want to be a 19-time world's women boxing champion. You got to be like a crazy motivated person like that. She's got to fall in love with jiu-jitsu, though, because she's not the biggest fan of jiu-jitsu.

She really needs that. You had said this before. I know that's hard to swallow, but you can't be one of those fighters that, and there's a bunch of them out there, that they didn't really want to get offensively good at jiu-jitsu. They weren't attracted to passing the guard and taking the back and choking people there's a lot of wrestlers out there that just wanted to keep it on the feet do a little takedown defense and if you have to take them down stay in half guard and pound them out and just keep it simple and keep it like that you know if um there's a lot of wrestlers like that not that she's a wrestler and they're strikers they're strikers like that too there's been uh

quite a few throughout the years champions that didn't really want to work on their jiu-jitsu the right way. The right way, which is sparring with everybody and not picking or sparring opponents and just jumping into the fire. That's how I know Conor's good because Conor does that. And he's going to get way better. He's actually good at jiu-jitsu. Just Nate is a lot better. But I think Holly needs to have somehow, somehow it needs to happen i don't know how but she needs to fall in love with jujitsu and and uh because i think that's where people know

i mean that that's the spot we already we haven't really seen her on her back we haven't seen her react to jujitsu and now we have and misha just exposed her and she needs to get take that she needs to take care of that and fall in love with jiu-jitsu and start getting on Instagram and taking pictures with her gi. You know what I mean? And she's got her blue belt and be all happy. She's got to be really happy about it because there's a hole right there, and that's where people are going to try to take her.

She's not that hard to take down after all. I thought she'd be harder to take down, but Misha took her down. Well, Misha mixes up her takedown times. She goes up top and she goes down low, whereas Ronda's like upper body clinch. She's really into upper body clinch. So all Holly had to do. Also, Ronda in that fight was so insanely aggressive. Her charging after her made it so much easier for counters.

Misha was super crafty. Very patient. Very patient, varied her movement, varied her timing, didn't do any, like, she didn't continue any patterns with her stand-up. She moved around a lot. She did a lot of juking and a lot of, she did a lot of different stuff. Stayed on the outside, made Holly come after her. Like, if you're a really good counter-striker like Holly is,

for her the best thing is a ronda. Like, someone's going to run at her. The best thing is someone running at her. She's so fleet. Like her footwork is so excellent. She's so light on her feet that she's so good at just sliding out of the way and cracking you while you're coming in. It's like one of the things she's best at.

So if you fight that way against her, that's the kind of fight that happens. She looks like a master. But if you look at her fight in the very first UFC fight with Raquel Pennington, she won a split decision. And that was a fight where Raquel fought more cautious, a little smarter, knew Holly's background coming in. If you don't engage with her, it's like, remember when Anderson was in his prime? If guys came after him

he just butchered him but if guys hung back sometimes the fight was boring right like um talus latest remember talus latest like hung back and he kind of waited for anderson um same thing with patrick cote patrick cote hung back he just fought smart he's like i'm not charging and running in anything come come get me come get me and Kote like always had a big right hand So everybody had to be real careful You always had to be careful because a guy if you're coming at him He could always catch you and if a guy like Kote catches you he just had that stupid power in his hand He could just knock you knock down Tito at 205 you remember that

He knocked him out down knocked him down Tito can take a shot But he knocked him down at 205 and he fights at 170 now yeah you know I mean Patrick Otey can crack so Anderson never won remember Patrick blew his knee out in that fight yeah he like went to throw a kick and his knee just gave out that's right exploded yeah he fought a very smart fight too and that's that staying when you you fight a killer counter-striker like that. The big thing is like let them lead They don't want they don't want to lead make it a boring fight. Let it be boring move around be patient Me she did everything right man. It's amazing Rhonda. Misha 3 would be nice, right? It's probably what's gonna happen

It's probably what's gonna happen next according to what I've led on the internets Is that what I've here? I wonder what Ronda would want. Would she want a rematch with her after a loss or a title shot? If I was her, I would guess, rather. If I was her, I'd be a boy. Tough choice, right? I'm a boy. I can't be her. If I was her, honestly, I would probably,

I would imagine if I was her, I'd want to avenge the loss. Because Holly was her first loss. And she doesn't feel like she did her best in that fight. And that fight was just, she had too much going on. If you hear her talk about it, it was like, she was overwhelmed with obligations and shit. And just fought wrong. Just didn't fight correctly. Just had real problems going into that.

And then you have her approach. Like getting in Holly's face at the weigh-in, trying to make it real emotional, you know, you fake-ass bitch and all that stuff. And then all that emotion when she fought in the ring, just running after Holly. And Holly just fought like a master. That was one of the best performances you'll ever see of a striker negating a person's aggression. She just did it so brilliantly. Catching her with elbows coming in, catching her with straight lefts, and then that fucking setup for the head kick when Ronda's all stumbling

and she just catches her with that head kick. I mean, just a spectacular mixed martial arts performance overall. Like one of the best title winning efforts in any weight class as far as a sheer domination. It's right up there with TJ Dill's shot at Henning Barau one. But probably more scary.

It's one of the most spectacular highlight clips ever. Where she's getting clipped. Yep. Wow. Amazing. Amazing. She's a badass.

So what I think about Holly is Holly get back on track and I really hope that she takes that badass, you know. So what I think about Holly is, you know, Holly get back on track. And I really hope that she takes that advice that you just gave. I think that'd be real smart. She's got to somehow fall in love with it and not fight it no more. Well, I don't know if she fights it. I don't know what the deal is.

Who knows? You know, she's just so good at kickboxing. I think she just wants to stay sharp in that. And that's what she wants to do to girls because she feels like she has this big advantage in them against them in that but obviously she needs a little work on it and i think she'll get better man she she can she can still improve you know and i think maybe there's also the overwhelming pressure that must come from being a champ like that experience probably takes a while to learn how to navigate i hope i'm wrong and she's already in love with it. That would be awesome. If I was wrong,

you know, I'm rooting for Holly. I like Holly. I think Holly, Holly with, of course, how could I not like her? I'm just being real.

I'm sorry if it hurts anybody's feelings. No, no, no. I think what you're saying is important. And I hope, and I hope that I'm wrong. I hope like you have no idea.

She's totally into it. She's been on, she just hasn't worked on it that long or whatever or whatever. But, but that's, I would love to see Holly homem with aggressive off her back and dangerous off her back. There's no reason why she couldn't be. She's super athletic.

She has a crazy work ethic. Did you watch CR, Bahar Dezada, and Brandon Thatch? Uh-uh. There was a fight on the undercard. Thatch is a super talented guy man super talented karate guy but uh bahar de azada was able to take him down and he just didn't have any answers off his back it's like one of those examples of a guy who's a really talented striker where you're not getting to see the full extent of his talent because he has a difficult time fighting off his back

and he has a difficult time keeping guys from taking him down so just you know he's guys are figuring that out with him and a couple guys have dominated him down. So just, you know, guys are figuring that out with him, and a couple guys have dominated him on the ground. And it's just unfortunate because he's so talented with his striking. Like when you see a guy like that, you just want to go, man, if you could figure out a way to find balance in your skill set, how good would he be, you know? He's so good standing up.

But Bahar Dezada, man, my God, that guy hits hard. He's got one of those weird punching power bodies. It doesn't even make any sense. I'm not familiar with him. He's from Afghanistan. He was born in Afghanistan, grew up in Holland, I think. But he is, I want to say, who did he train with? Oh, Greg Jackson.

He was at Greg Jackson's camp for this. But he's been out for like 800 days he had like some serious injuries man like both of the labrums it's three years almost three years two and yeah a little bit more than two years he uh had both his labrums had to be operated on broke his hand fucked up his which one's the labrum inside your shoulder oh shit he had a bunch of shit operated on. So he was out for a long time. So to see him come back, but to see Thatch, like in the beginning, you see him on his back, and he almost catches a triangle. He just throws up his legs.

And if someone who had a really good triangle, like Nate, if Nate was in that same position, he would have got it. He would have got the triangle for sure. I mean, it was all there. Or at least he would have secured it, and Bajorada would have had to defend it, but he couldn't secure it. And I was like, man, that's just, it was right there. Like you had the leg over, you had the other leg here. It was over like this. There wasn't that much resistance. Like grab your fucking ankle, lock that in. Like what do you do? And he just didn't. And then you see him for the rest of the fight was having a real hard time fighting off his back. We see a guy that's that good he's so talented standing up man you watch him throw knees and punches you're like jesus this could be a this

kid could be a fucking force it's just got to really polish up that ground game and especially off of his back yeah you know this is a crazy sport man you can't just have one way to go anymore you got to have the whole thing you can't't, there's, there's very few people that are going to exist in this sport at the upper echelons with just one way to go. You know, one of the things that's so scary about a guy like Nate is that Nate's boxing is just as good as his jujitsu, you know, his, and sometimes you don't see the jujitsu that much because he's so confident in his boxing and he, and he throws down with with guys but the guys go to the ground with him i mean he's choked out some good dudes you know he's fucking good you gotta have some serious finishing power on the ground whether it's on your

back or you're on top you have at least with you on top you better have finishing power maybe you just use your bottom game for sweeps there's nothing wrong with that uh you don't you don't have to finish the guy off your back. But it's always good. It's always better if you could finish. If you're known to finish people off your back. Anytime I roll with anybody, even a purple belt who's specialty is finishing people off his back. There's always those dudes.

When I'm going to roll with Jeremiah Jeremiah I almost rather have them mounting me like if I end up in Jeremiah's guard I'm like fuck that mount me it's easier to get out of the mount than it is his rubber guard and there's few guys like that like a boogie anytime boogie put me in his guard

I go right to the mount like check out this sweep you're a bad motherfucker boom that's funny isn't that crazy because that goes against conventional thinking. Oh, yeah.

But I don't have the greatest posture in the world. And my lower back's all fucked up. So I don't try to posture out of shit. I go with everything, man. I'm like, you want to go that way? Let's go. And let me see if I can hold on and get a little clinch and then go back this way. Bam.

I'm too old to force my way through anything. That's probably the smart way to do it, though, right? That's the traditional way of doing it. It's the survival way of jiu-jitsu. My jiu-jitsu is becoming very survival now. My guys are fucking me up now. There's this phase where I'm getting tapped out all the goddamn time now, man. The only way I could tap out my certain purple belts Is if I have gas

If I'm tired and I take a round With one of my purple belts I'll be fucking on survival mode The whole time man My guys are coming with fire now Throwing leg locks You leave your feet out Damn

It's pretty crazy now You getting any leg injuries? No No No Just my back Finally getting that But I mean other people in class Getting any knee injuries no no no no just my back finally getting that does I mean other people in class getting any knee injuries right no it's a myth really it's a myth that's it hurts your arm or your shoulder at the

same rate you'll hurt your knee we do leg locks all the goddamn time that's so interesting because I was always the warrior planet has always been that way we never banned reaping we never I never frowned upon heel hooks I personally never got really heavy on heel hooks. I was always heavy on leg compressions a different style leg lock I was always doing those not really heel hook so much but we've always had heel hook masters now I would I probably I Wouldn't have asked that if that wasn't something that comes up all the time people talk about leg locks You know, I kind of know the answer if it was, I would have heard about it. I think it's a myth that leg locks are.

When we were brought up in jiu-jitsu, the whole Brazilian jiu-jitsu community banned heel hooks and frowned upon them. Do you remember that time you were at a tournament and they started booing and screaming when you went for a guy's leg? Yes. When I first, during my white belt years and into my blue belt years, I saw Ken Shamrock instructional.

He's wearing jeans and shit. He's got no shirt. He's wearing jeans. And he's like in this small little gym. And he's got this Japanese guy. And he's doing this toe hold from the top, from top half. And I was always playing half guard right away as a white belt. That's like the worst guard ever is a quarter guard. I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that. Anything worse is always playing half guard right away as a white belt. That's like the

worst guard ever, as a quarter guard. I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that. Anything worse is you got your guard pass. So I was always playing the worst shit because I was small and weak. You would go after toe holds? Yeah. I learned it from Ken Shamrock, started going after toe holds, and I got pretty good at them. I was tapping motherfuckers with them. And I did this tournament. It was the first Pan Ams, and it was in L.A. in El Segundo, 1996 because it was the first Pan Ams and there was like this big retreat and they took, they had them all in this hotel right down the street from the gym

and it was mayhem and shit. I'll never forget that. And this, we were in El Segundo in LA and there was 500 Brazilians that got shipped in for the Pan Ams and of course they dominated and they killed everybody in Jiu Jitsu.

But I did wrestle a Brazilian and I put him in a toad and as soon as I put him in the toehold, the whole crowd went nuts. It was a riot almost happened. It was just a riot. I don't know what stopped them, but they were throwing shoes at the mat. They were throwing water bottles at me. And I was sitting there holding the toehold, and everyone's screaming.

And I'll never forget, Johnny Machado comes running like slow motion and he slides cause you gotta let it go let it go and I was like fuck and I let it go and then the guy beat me on points but um So Johnny Machado slid in and told you you gotta let it go because everybody was going crazy. Yeah everyone was going crazy You weren't supposed to attack the legs back then. You weren't supposed to attack

it was dirty. Isn't that crazy? It was dirty back then and then in the parking lot like that the Mean Joe Green commercial remember like that Mean Joe Green commercial. Remember that old Mean Joe Green commercial where he's drinking a Coke and there's like a little kid? Yeah. Well, I felt like a little kid because I ran into Eric Paulson in the parking lot. And he was getting the same reaction when he was going for leg locks. And he was like a blue belt at the time.

And I think we're the same age. But for some reason, I always felt like a little kid. And he had all this knowledge. He was a blue belt in jiu-jitsu, but he had trained in Japan and fought in judo and shit. He was already like a professional fighter and was an expert at leg locks who just got into jiu-jitsu. So he's competing at a blue belt, fucking everybody up with leg locks, right? It's Eric Paulson, young-ass Eric Paulson, 24. And we're in the parking lot, and he showed me this leg lock.

And he goes, listen, check this out, man. Don't forget this. Because he saw a little of him in me because I was going for a toehold. He goes, oh, fuck, look at that dude. He's getting a lot of heat too because he's going for a leg lock. So right away...

But it was totally legal. That's what's crazy. You could have tapped the guy out and it would have been legal. I don't know. I don't remember what the rules said. I don't remember. So it might not have been legal. I thought't know. I don't remember what the rules said. I don't remember. So it might not have been legal.

I thought they were legal and maybe it was illegal. But even if it was illegal, the crowd erupted. The Brazilians went nuts and were throwing shoes and screaming. Today, though, it's illegal for some belt ranks, right? Like in some tournaments? Yeah. You can't do heel hooks. Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds,

you can do heel hooks at purple belt and above. White belt and blue belt't do heel hooks. Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds, you can do heel hooks at purple belt and above. White belt and blue belt, no heel hooks. You could do straight ankle locks and knee bars at blue and no legs at all at white. Zero legs at white, straight ankle locks, knee bars, leg compression at blue, and then they allow heel hooks, full reaping and everything, purple belt on. Those are the best rules. I love those rules rules you don't need heel hooks for blue belts but like naga they let everybody heel hook so and it's there's not this like you know big epidemic going on where people are just getting their knees just ripped off not at any 10 planet school every now and then someone does get a knee injury just like they do get an arm injury or shoulder injury sometimes people get put in a heel hook and it fucks their knee up sometimes but sometimes it happens with

the arm at the same rate we do heel hooks all the time no one's getting every now and then someone gets hurt but it's just part of the game but it's every now and then someone gets hurt from everything yeah yeah it's not a you know if people were get trust me as a businessman if if if i saw that i'm walking around every night and I'm looking at what's going on, I know exactly how my, I know who's playing what, everyone's different style, especially at the purple belt level.

I pretty much know where they're coming from. No one's getting hurt. Everyone's doing heel hooks. And you just, you, man, it's a different motherfucking world when you're going against leg lock experts to know jujitsu like guys like eddie cummings yeah and gary tonin like black belted jujitsu that are fucking hyper super ultra leg locky yeah holy shit you better watch your shit so uh if you are not training leg locks leg locks you know

when everything when it's submission only when there's not all these stupid rules when they just when it's just like that jujitsu that you fell in love with everybody falls in love with the jujitsu that they walk into their dojo and then they train for the first day and they fucking love it they love it and they fall they fell in love what with what happened and what goes on every night in that class there's no point people are just rolling and they're trying to get the submission that's what you fall in love with what you see at a tournament that's not what you fall in love no one goes to a jiu-jitsu tournament for the first fucking time i'm gonna fucking i love this i'm gonna do this they fucking run they're They're gone. That's how you turn people off to jiu-jitsu.

Their first experience is a points tournament where there's 12 matches going on at the same time. We'll see how long that lasts. People that like jiu-jitsu can't even hang. Well, especially when it's with the Gi. Exactly. Oh, my God. They'll be like, fuck this. They're playing tug of war this whole fucking time.

Jean-Jacques thinks it's boring. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Jean-Jacques is like, hey, it's so boring. Yeah. Well, so many guys are just trying to get advantages and trying to just score a point and hold on. I think the rules that you set up for EBI are the best rules. They're the best rules because you go a certain amount of time.

What is it, 10 minutes? How many minutes do you go? 10-minute matches. 16-man tournament, 10-minute matches with overtime. It's no points, no advantages, all submission only. You have to get the submission, you know? Yeah, and what's really interesting is you've got this idea that, you know, until I saw it, I was not sure what to think of it.

I was like, hmm, all right, I don't know. I don't know how the hell I was going to do this. The overtime on paper sounds crazy. On paper it sounds crazy, but in practice it's the best thing. Because if you watch a jiu-jitsu match one of the things that happens if you're a casual observer, if you watch like a Marcelo Garcia, some guy just attacks and strangles

somebody like, whoa, that was amazing. That guy's awesome. Like I've showed some people that don't ever do jiu-jitsu. I've showed them like a Marcelo Garcia match and you watch him choke somebody and it's so spectacular to watch because his movements are so impressive. They're so fast and lethal, you know, but a lot of jujitsu matches will end in nothing. Some guy gets on top and then he reverses the guy. Guy goes for a leg lock. He doesn't get it. Guy goes for a choke. He doesn't

get it. The other guy winds up on top. They reverse positions and you run out of time. So when you run out of time like that, for a lot of people, it feels inconclusive. So you decide. You're going to have how many different rounds of it do they do? Four rounds? What's the most amount of rounds of overtime they can do? Well, first off, let me say that there's nothing wrong with the point game. If you like the point game, there's fucking nothing wrong.

You get really good at it, you know what? You're going to get good at passing, and you're going to get good at sweeping, and your wrestling is going to be good. It's just good jiu-jitsu. It's like a little subculture, cerebral type thing, positional thing. Fucking nothing wrong with that. You could use that as a training

tool, like getting good at points tournaments just because you're going to work on your passing and your sweeping, and you might as well do points. And for MMA, like, if you're lethal with punches, and you like to do that, it's not a bad strategy at all. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to stomp that out.

I want to make it clear. I'm not trying to compete against that at all. Let me explain what you do, though. My goal has always been to create a jiu-jitsu show. And I thought it would have been done by now. And a lot of people have tried to put a jiu-jitsu show together that's so exciting that it can compete on the overall entertainment value with an MMA show, like your average MMA show. I go, jiu-jitsu is so beautiful. We're obsessed with it.

Why can't we see? What's going wrong? What's going wrong? There's been a professional submission league. Hickson even had a show. There's Metamorris. There's Polaris. I mean, none of these shows, including mine, including mine,

none of these shows are making any money. I haven't made any goddamn money with my show. We all know that in the jiu-jitsu community. There's no money there. These shows fail constantly but what is it about works of passion yes the reason why they're still around like when you go to an a on EBI and you're in the audience that is an audience of jiu-jitsu enthusiasts like everybody is pumped yeah they're all very excited to be there and there's a feeling of a camaraderie in that kind of a crowd that's very

different than a crowd that just comes out to see like a ufc even because a lot of people in the audience at a ufc are gigantic fans a lot of them are fucking fanatical a lot of them are like you and me a lot of them but there's a lot of other people that are just there because it's an event there's a lot of other people that goes there because it's a scene there's a lot of people that are on their phone half the time they're're not even paying attention to the fights. There's that too. At an EBI, there's none of that. No. It's all jujitsu freaks. Yeah. Everybody knows. And everybody's clapping for everything. Everybody knows when a heel hook's close. Everybody knows when a choke is close. Everybody knows. Everybody knows what's going on. Everybody knows when a guy cinches up a triangle. Everybody

knows. Yeah. So there's a beauty to that. But let me explain what you do because we didn't finish it. You have overtime. So when a fight goes to a draw, like me explain what you do because we didn't finish it. You have overtime. So when a fight goes to a draw, like at the end of it, the time runs out, what you do is you take these guys and you force them into dangerous positions. So you force a guy on a guy's back with over-under, and you start from there. You say, ready, go. And when you do that, then the guy on the bottom tries to get out. The guy on the top in the good position tries to finish.

If the guy finishes, you move on to another another round and the other guy tries to do it if he can't finish him The guy who finished him one, but he gets his chance in a bad position as well But if you have a stalemate over the rounds of that you just count out the time who got out the quickest Which guy escaped from the other guy's bad positions the quickest? And you calculate the time. Well, traditionally, in overtime with jiu-jitsu matches, it usually came down to wrestling. Who had the better wrestling? Because if there would be overtime, there's no points or whatever.

They go into overtime. There's three-minute overtime, five-minute overtime. Or sudden death, whoever gets the first points wins. It's really going to come down to who has the best wrestling because that overtime period, they both the first points wins. It's really going to come down to who has the best wrestling because that overtime period, they both start on their feet. So what's the most important thing on your feet is the wrestling here.

That's going to determine overall the superior wrestlers are going to win. That's always been the case really in all the overtimes. It always comes down to the wrestling generally. So I never really was a fan of that because I've seen plenty of wrestlers in submission tournaments

not know anything about submitting, but they'll run away with the gold medal just based on their wrestling. And that's a beautiful thing. I wish I had that wrestling. But when it's a submission or a jiu-jitsu tournament, we should encourage stifling. Yeah, the best jiu-jitsu should win,

not the best wrestling. The best jiu-jitsu, the best at submitting should win. A guy like Marcelo Garcia should win. The overtime should make it so the best wins, generally. So instead of starting on the feet, my overtime rounds, we start in terrible positions. And it's like extra innings.

You get out of, like if we were going at it, and we went into overtime, you'd get a shot at my back and then I'd get a shot at your back. If you finished me, it's not over yet. I get a shot at your back. If I finish you, we tie. We go an extra inning. It's an extra round. Three max, three max.

But it could end in that first round. It could end in the second round. If it goes all three rounds and we're still tied, whether it's's two submissions a submission each or an escape each and another escape and that's three total or all escapes we add all the combined escape and submission times together and whoever had the quickest or shortest time wins so it encourages that when you're on my back that i'm not going to just sit there and just hold the choke out yeah you should try to get the fuck out because if this goes to a triple overtime, this is going to matter.

So what it does is it opens up a submission for the guy because the guy has to escape. Yeah. If it's confusing, just you can go see it live on, you can see it on YouTube, right? UFC Fight Pass. You could see EBI 4. That's where we're at now. But the ones that you have now, like there are some matches online. If somebody want to go and look at it right now, right? Yes.

And then the new one, the next one, the absolute one, this big crazy one, is going to be in April in LA. Sunday, April 24th. Is that the 4th? April 24th? And that's an absolute one, right? Where you have all sorts of different weight classes represented. Yes.

I'm sorry, dude. What are you doing? I want to make sure I got the day right. Yeah, Sunday, April 24th, downtown LA at the Orpheum. It's going to be streamed live on UFC Fight Pass. Orpheum is an awesome theater, too. If you've never been, it's one of those old classic downtown LA theaters. It's probably from the 30s or something, right? When did they build that?

I don't know. It's awesome. It's awesome. It's awesome. So to watch your show there, dude, it's so cool. It's so cool to see it blowing up. Last time we were there, we're sitting in the audience like, whoa, this is amazing. It's crazy, right? It's amazing.

It's amazing. It's packed and everybody's going nuts. I couldn't have done it without my partner, Victor Davila. He's the one guy. I never wanted to be a promoter, man. I couldn't have done it without my partner, Victor Davila. He's the one guy. I never wanted to be a promoter, man. That's not something I ever, ever thought I'd ever be, like, a promoter for a show. That's not what I was trying to do.

I was trying to come up with an idea to, like, give it to another promoter to do it. Like, do this side. But nobody, everyone thought it was the dumbest idea. They thought I was losing my mind. They thought I smoked too much weed. So then I thought, you know what? I'm going to try to do it and victor but the problem was it was too much work i looked into it i'm like i can't do this shit i was you know but victor came in victor davila he's the the spanish commentator for the ufc came up to me and he said hey listen let me do all the work yes it'll be your idea

you you run the show as an executive producer let me produce it i'll make it all happen and i'm like fuck and he makes it really easy for me he does all like when you walked in and saw the stage i didn't have anything to do with that well he's got a background in in production i mean in working on television he knows a lot of shit he's such a good dude man victor's awesome he's one of my greatest friends ever, man. He's the best. Yeah, so. We've known him forever, too, man. When did we meet Victor?

Working at the UFC. But when? What year was it? Ooh. That must have been 2008-ish, 2009-ish, something like that. I think it was even earlier than that. I think it was like 2006 or that Thought he was like I think it was like six 2006 or seven almost I thought he was like a four years old Yeah, that's a little kid Brock Lesnar fan. It was a back in the Brock Lesnar days

That's that's that's what I remember for sure. Yeah, there was definitely some he's a kid's awesome man, and he's trained a lot now, too, right? Yes, yes, he broke his arm so he's been out a little while and stuff but uh he helps he's uh an ebi um associate producer did he break his arm in training yep yep just don't crash oh my god i'm crushed yeah i'm crushing scary yep that's a scary one so that's one of my favorite bone arm crush is one of my favorite it's right you rarely see it in m MMA you know rarely so unusual you know when was the

last time you saw a bicep crush in MMA I think George Sotteropoulos did it did he I think so back in the day when we used to work

together I think he did it on George Roop I don't know I get the names all mixed up but it's a crazy sport man there's nothing crazier than mma

i mean you watch the combination of punching kicking and you're seeing a lot more guys go for leg locks now see you notice that oh yeah the last ufc there was a guy he didn't pull anything off though but forget who he was but he was all over dude's legs and then but and he was couldn't get hit and a lot of angles you know back you talking about uh um was it a darren elkins fight maybe maybe he was um fuck who was he fighting maybe god damn it it was a great fight for elkins why why can't i remember who the hell he was fighting? Too many people in that last card. This weekend? Yeah.

Skelly, I think. That's right, Chaz Skelly. I think Chaz was like 4-1 in the UFC, and Elkins just dominated him. Elkins moved to Sacramento, trained with Alpha Male, moved his family. He said, fuck it, I've got to make a run at this shit. Is this the fight that I'm talking about? You think so, yeah. And Elkins just ground and pounded him

There was a couple times where he's going for Elkins legs, but Elkins just ground and pound I think you're gonna see a lot more leg locks now. I think with Ryan Hall in there No matter what you got to watch your legs Yeah, you could punch a guy in this in this face or not. You got to watch your legs Ryan Oh, I'll take you. You know, take your leg off real quick And then everybody's aware to of the trend in jiu-jitsu. And Gary Tonin's talking about it. I mean, he's going to do MMA.

It's strange seeing Ryan Hall in there. It's strange because he's always been the jiu-jitsu guy. And we're going to see him. He would do MMA, and he's in there now, and he's throwing down, and he's making some waves. Yeah, Gary Tonin is going to be really interesting because he's been striking for quite a while, really trying to tighten it up,

really working on getting that in order. And he's a smart guy. He's not going to jump into anything half-assed. He'll have his striking in order before he has his first fight. He'll get some leg locks for sure in MMA. Well, he'll get a lot of chokes. He'll get everything. He's a bad motherfucker when it comes to jiu-jitsu

and only getting better. I think the MMA fighters are always aware of trends and the big trend in Jiu Jitsu, it's not like they're not going to pay attention to that. There's obviously a leg lock bias going on right now in Jiu Jitsu where people are training that really heavily. They realize I think there's a bunch of

people kind of knew leg locks and were good at leg locks but it seems like once donna her and that crew got involved in it there became like a whole new level of uh intensity when it comes to leg locks absolutely dana her's crew uh gary tonin eddie cummings and now gordon ryan he just got his black belt from tonin and that all startedin. And that all started from Dean Lister, right? That all started from Dean Lister. Yep, yep.

Dean Lister went down to Henzo's for a couple weeks, hung out with Danaher, showed him a lot of leg lock shit. I'm sure he probably leg locked a lot of the upper level guys and made an impression. And then Danaher being like, you know, he's like an astrophysicist. He probably took that shit that dean lister told him and just uh just blew it up he's such a wizard and just added so much stuff and then eddie cummings is super smart too so he's taking all the shit danner showed him

and he's adding a lot of shit that's it all on to gary tonin and gary tonin already had rear naked chokes he already had great defense his jiu-jitsu is solid as fuck. He added leg locks over the last few years, and now fuck. He's a fucking. You want to hear something even crazier than that? I go to Donna. I go, how did Eddie Cummings hurt his leg? He goes, well, he was rolling with some of the other students that we have in the gym

that might be a little bit more advanced than him with leg locks. They just don't use them yet. They don't compete. And I was like, what? You got guys in your gym that don't compete that are better than Eddie Cummings with leg locks. They just don't use them yet. They don't compete. And I was like, what? You got guys in your gym that don't compete that are better than any Cummings at leg locks? You know how scary that is? He said that?

Yeah. Oh, shit. How scary that is. Yeah. But the way John Donahair says it, very definitive. Yeah. Perhaps we have guys that are maybe a little bit more advanced than him. They just don't compete.

There's two kind of games now, man. There's that, because you can't shut down a leg lock game, but you got to have a solid, clenching, top-heavy game. You got to have that slow, smashing, destroying game to stop those leg locks. Who's the best at stopping leg locks right now with that game? Well, I'd have to say, I don't know who the best is, but I would say in Abu Dhabi, Lucas Lepre.

Lucas Lepre, he went against Gary Tonin, and he just hit him with a straight knee cut pass with that underhook and just didn't finish him, but he stayed out of leg lock danger and he won on points. When was this? His last year? This was last year. That's impressive. So, I mean, technically he beat Gary Tonin. Technically

he avoided all the shit, smashed him down. I think he passed his guard. May have even took his back even to tell you the truth. I don't remember. I shouldn't say that. But nonetheless though, he that is, that's one kind of game right there. Because he for sure wasn't going to start playing leg locks with Gary Torn. Fuck no.

He knew the game was like, we got to stay away from that shit. And you got to know how to stay away. And you got to be able to put some heat on someone's leg locks. You got to know how to get out of leg locks. If you're not working leg locks all the goddamn time, you're going to be so far behind. You really, really are. It's a whole new world growing out there.

And in the sub only world, submission only community, if you don't know leg locks, you will never survive. Isn't that interesting? you will never survive isn't that interesting you will never survive so go back just to when you were competing in the tournament as a white belt and people screaming and booing when you're going for a leg lock could you imagine what it's like today 2016 nobody saw this coming yeah yeah but there's still tons of resistance on leg locks still that's amazing yeah there's still there's still uh jiu-jitsu instructors out there posting uh anti-leg lock stuff you know what the problem is it's the the

legs are the strongest muscles in the body right the legs are attached to the longest limbs you can you can move them in ways you can never move your arms you realize how limited your arms are when you're not using you know your legs to go after Legs and to hold positions you realize like how it's kind of silly almost to use your arms as opposed to your legs Most of the community looks at it like in a negative way It's a positive thing you have you have a whole nother game to live in they don't it's a whole nother game That's the problem. They don't want to learn the whole new game They you know people get really good at one thing they get good at one thing, and then they want to stick with that shit.

Yeah. That's really what it is. They've got to get through that. Isn't that amazing, though, that the very thing that made jiu-jitsu so popular in the first place was that it had figured out a way to make something the most technically effective, where a small guy like Hoyce can beat a big guy like Dan Severin. It was using the techniques that work. But then these new techniques that work,

they're like, nope, I don't know those. No. You got to stick to the old shit. Only the old ones. Like, that's bullshit. We just got to figure out how to defend against these leg locks. Let's get the other boys.

Let's work this through. Fuck this Muay Thai kickboxing shit. That's never going to catch on. I mean, there was a lot of trends. You know, like, there was a point in time where people weren't throwing any head kicks. Dean Lister's going to do this next EBI, EBI 16. Dean Lister. Vinny Magalhaes, who's one of those rare Brazilians who's really into Sambo, too.

He's been preaching leg locks, and he's very good at leg locks. Very good. Yeah, amongst many other things. Vinny's good at everything. Vinny, we got Yuri Samoas. He's awesome. He won Abu Dhabi, right? He was, I don't know, I don't remember.

I mean, that's a shitty answer for someone who's putting him on the show. All I know is he's really good and he fought in Abu Dhabi. And he's a 205, right? Did you find that out, Jamie? Yuri. Spell it. Y-U-R-I. Simoes.

Y-U-R-I S-I-M-O-E-S Yuri Simoes. Yeah, there's so much high-level talent now. Matias Diniz, he's from Marcelo Garcia. He's in it. Bruno Bastos is in it.

These are like high-level dudes, man. Yeah, so if you listen, if you're thinking about like, man, I never watched a Jiu-Jitsu tournament before, but the way these guys are talking about it, it's making my dick hard. This is what you do. You go on UFC Fight Pass. If you don't have UFC Fight Pass,

if you like fights, man, this is the one. Is this him? Yeah. He's one of the best guys in the world. This next one, we're stacked now, man. Yep, he won the Abu Dhabi one of the best guys in the world. Yeah. This next one we're stacked on. We're stacked now, man. Yep. He won the Abu Dhabi, right?

Does it say? Yeah. Did he win? Abu Dhabi champion. First thing. Oh shit. 2015. I'm an idiot, dude.

He's a bad motherfucker. Anyway, multiple time world champion as a purple belt and an absolute, he's just a bad motherfucker all around. But what I was saying is if you, if you've never watched a submission tournament, you've never seen guys try to submit each other, you're like, this sounds kind of interesting. Get UFC Fight Pass. I'm telling you, I don't want to sound like a shill. I wish UFC would offer up like a free month of UFC Fight Pass

so people would get addicted to it. But if you're at home and you're bored and you're like, I don't know what to watch, What's on TV? You just feel like vegging out in front of the television. UFC Fight Pass will occupy your fucking time. You can find the greatest fights of all time. All of them. We're doing five shows a year with them.

They want five at least. That's amazing. So we got to pump them out every two months. And on top of that, you got the people that are UFC fans that are going to leak into it. That's a big one. And they have a ton of different organizations as well. They even have Glory now.

So cool. Gary Tonin and Eddie Cummings are both in this absolute. DJ Jackson, Richie Martinez, Amir Alam, Rustem Chiziev. He was in Abu Dhabi. I think he was second or third. This guy's a fucking huge wrestler. Rustem Chesiev. He's got hair on his back.

He just fucking- Spell his name. Dude, he just throws people up. Yeah, R-U-S-T-A-M-C-H-S-E-E-V. C-H-S-E-E-E-F. C-H-S-E-I-E-V. This guy's an animal. Yeah. He's like what everyone is afraid of when you think about Rust and wrestlers.

Yeah, exactly. Everybody's afraid of a guy who looks like a real live Wolverine. Can you see the hair on his back? He's got it on his back. How big is he? He's, dude, he is one of the... Everyone's afraid of this dude. Very hard to do anything to this guy.

And he keeps getting better and better. I think he was second or third in Abu Dhabi. He's a fucking animal. He's got hair on his back like a werewolf. Look at his fucking back. Nobody wants him, dude. No one wants to be paired up with that guy. I can only imagine.

He's really good, too. His passing is getting spectacular. I wonder how long a guy like that can compete with that style. Oh, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, that kind of smashing, crushing power style, boy, that's so taxing. He didn't used to pass as much. He used to just throw people around and get on top

of them and wear them up, but now he's really good at passing and finishing now. We got Lucas Rocha, who's from Gracie Baja, one of the top guys. This is the most stacked we've ever been, man. This is super, super stacked. That's so awesome. What a great way to kick it off.

Yeah, it's gonna be nuts. Kick it off on Fight Pass. It's gonna be fucking nuts, man. That's so awesome. What a great way to kick it off. Yeah, it's going to be nuts. Great way to kick it off on Fight Pass. It's going to be fucking nuts, man. That's so fun. Isn't it amazing that it just became something, you know, just you. I never planned on it, man. Isn't that how it works, though? That's how it works. That shit, that's this thing, this podcast.

Crazy shit. Never planned on this either. Again, more shit. Like, 10th Planet wasn't even planned. I know. Dude, I have nothing about that. I'm 32 years old. I don't know none about no 10 plan How crazy at 32 how crazy is it that we were like in love with that Zacharias hitching guys book?

Now they think they might have actually found this planet. Is that for real? Oh, yeah, I don't even pay attention They have no photographs of it But they are pretty sure to the point where they're stepping out and saying there's a large planet probably about four times the size of Earth. That's outside of our solar system. I thought that was conspiracy theory stuff. No, not anymore. It's real. No, now it's mainstream scientists are saying this.

I think even Neil deGrasse Tyson has addressed it. People keep sending me shit, but I'm like, oh, it's another one of those things. Jamie will pull it up. For real? Yeah. Well, Eddie turned me on to this. He's like, dude, you ever heard of Zacharias Hitchin we got so deep

we used to do bong hits and talk about the Anunnaki watch documentaries on it some crazy stripper told me about it she's like do you know that we used to mine world for gold and I'm like Gina what are you talking about because why do you think we like gold so much

we used to be slaves I'm like oh my god I are you talking about? Because why do you think we like gold so much? We used to be slaves. I'm like, oh my God, I just thought she was the craziest person ever. And then I thought about it for five minutes. I used to make music with her. And I'm like, wait a minute, it is kind of weird that the one fucking thing we all agree on is that gold is money.

That's the one thing we all agree on. Nothing else. Then I asked her, Gina, who is this guy who told you about this? What is this guy's name? And so she gave me his name. I called him up.

I said, hey, I'm Gina's friend. She said you were talking about some crazy motherfucker who wrote books about us being slaves and all that shit. He goes, oh, yeah, some guy named, let me see,

Sitchin or Zachariah Sitchin. And I'm like, okay. And I wrote sitchin and i'm like okay and i wrote it down then i looked into him and that's how i discovered this is all pre-internet right it was that ish that 99 2000 2000 it was 2000 you had the internet but it was harder to find shit back then the ninth planet does it exist a 10 000 year orbit in outer reaches of our solar system. So they're trying to figure it out right now. But what they believe is, they've been believing this for a while, is that apparently there's,

the reason why they declassified Pluto, they said that Pluto's not a planet anymore, is because Pluto is a large body in the Kuiper Belt. And the Kuiper Belt is a belt of just large asteroids and round things and shit floating around out there, which is really weird because the photos of Pluto that they've released recently, the really up close photos that they just released, it's a fucking planet. We're nitpicking here. That's a goddamn planet, but they don't think it's big enough to be a planet.

All right, whatever. It looks like a fucking planet. Pull up the photos of Pluto, the newest, they're amazing. Yeah, exactly. Have you seen them? No, I haven't seen them, but to me it's like, it's there, right? It's there. You call it a planet, you call it a dwarf, you think they're going to call it a dwarf

10,000 years ago. Yeah. Who cares what you call it? It's something. It isn't like, oh no, it never existed, it was a black hole. No, it's a body of mass. What they think is that there's so many of these out there. They found another one.

Do you remember this? You and I were at a bar having a drink one day. Here it goes. These are the photos. Yeah, fine. This is some of the photos. I think those are color corrected to show different things. But there's some of the actual surface.

I think the far right one that you... No. No, no, no. This is the moon, Jamie. There's some from the far right one that you, no, no, no, no. This is the moon, Jamie. There's some from the far right one. It says Pluto. Yeah. But that looks like the ones from that, all images right there, that's Pluto?

The one down below, above planet X, that's Pluto? It says Earth's moon, though. Yeah, but look, it shows all these different planets on this. That's Earth's moon. That's weird. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. That's Google search, though, right? Just go to the web search, the web search, and then just write recent photos of Pluto.

What is it? New Cassini? Is that what it is that took the photographs? What was the- Yeah, the Cassini- So there's a bunch of Plutos is what they're saying, right? Yeah, there's a bunch of Plutos. So they found another one.

You and I were at a bar once. I remember this because I saw it on my phone. So it had to be an iPhone. Someone had sent this to me. Dude, you got to check this out. And I clicked on the link and it went to a website

that showed that there was a new planet. And I was like, dude, they found it. But it turned out it was right before they declassified Pluto. They went, wait a minute there's a bunch of these fucking things out there these aren't really planets and so they think to make a long story short there's a bunch of these things out there and then behind that is a thing called the galactic shelf where it just drops off and that would indicate that there's a large high

large massive object out there another planet what. What if they're like, there's nothing there. Major, there's nothing. It's just blackness. What if, like, who knows, like, really what's out there? Scientists? What do you mean, astronomers? They have some pretty insane fucking telescopes now. They can see some wild, wild shit.

They've identified hundreds of planets now, which is really weird, because just a decade or so ago, they hadn't identified any outside of our solar system. It's only hundreds? Maybe two decades. I think it's probably hundreds. Yeah, look at that. Whoo Look at the surface of that thing man. That's crazy. You could take a picture of Pluto Yeah, but look at it. That is a circular round thing that looks like a planet So but whatever nitpicky that that's not a planet. It's because there's a gang of those out there, dude There's a gang of them. They don't know how many there are they're gonna find new ones

This Kuiper belt there's a bunch of little tiny objects out there that are like Pluto size smaller than Pluto And there I think they assume that they're gonna find more Because this object whatever it is It's outside outside like in the 10,000 year orbit around earth is big way bigger than us four times so it's outside all that those little outside all the little ones that's there's apparently there's a drop off there's like the belt and i might be butchering this and if i am i apologize but what i've read and try to remember was uh that there's something called the galactic shelf and that would indicate something that has a lot of mass,

something that has a lot of gravity, something that's big. And so they think it's bigger than, I mean, they're, they're saying it's four times the size of earth. So it's something really big, just fucking nuts,

man. It's just nuts to think there's another planet out there. And what's even more nuts is what if there's fucking life forms on it what if this thing in this 10 000 year orbit around earth is heated by its core what if it gets its heat instead of from the sun what if it gets its heat internally and its life forces are all from it internally maybe that's where the Anunnaki are. Imagine if that was a real story. Imagine this Anunnaki thing.

Everybody laughs at it. Everybody thinks it's funny. But when the 10,000 years rolls around, that motherfucker gets close, they really are a bunch of aliens living on that thing who made us. Could you fucking imagine? Nothing would ever mean anything again.

Your credit cards, how much gas is, nobody would give a fuck. It would all be so, so back of your mind. Everything would be in the back of your mind, except, oh my God, there's a planet out there,

and it's a bunch of fucking people who made us out of monkeys. They came down, they did genetic engineering experiments on monkeys just like we would do just like we would do if we if we fucking found some planet in outer space especially if we were like scientists that were like thousands of years removed from us today like way way way way way in the future. Maybe millions like a million years more evolved They look at these monkeys like we're just gonna help them out here. Just gonna help man

We know where this is going. Anyway, just grab them shoot some fucking That'd be the the greatest thing to experience ever Like what could you imagine how? Earth shattering it would be if there was a real life form from another planet that we could absolutely identify, a real civilization, and they were super advanced and they were coming by to visit? Jesus Christ, son. I'd have some questions. Would you immediately start in with Tower 7? We have no idea what we're inside of.

No. Like, we're just, it's, you can't even, it's, aliens in space is, man, remember how we were so into them, like, in the late 90s or the early 2000s? Yeah. Aliens were, like, fucking always on my mind. Yeah. Not anymore, though. 2000s yeah aliens were like fucking always on my mind not anymore though i think it's because the history channel killed that that ancient aliens maybe that was the plan all along is you know what let's kill this whole fucking alien movement by putting it on history channel over and over

again but what if i remember you called me up once man dude you called me up once, man Dude, you called me up once It was a hilarious conversation You go, dude, I'm just not into fucking aliens anymore History Channel fucking killed it for me, man Do you remember that? Yeah How cool was that first season of Ancient Aliens, dude? It was awesome Fuck, it was going mainstream

Zachariah Sitchin went mainstream. It was awesome, man. Oh, then they did another season. Well, they just ran out of shit to talk about, unfortunately. Did it start off as a special? Did it start off as a special? Maybe. Maybe, then it turned into a series.

But fuck, those first ones were awesome, man. Boy, Tsoukalos, he's awesome. Oh, man. When was the last time you talked to him? I haven't talked to him in a while, man. I wonder Succalos, he's awesome. Oh, man. When was the last time you talked to him? I haven't talked to him in a while, man. I wonder if the overall industry is kind of down. He got upset when I was honest about what I think about some of the stuff. I just think that some of it is just too bullshitty.

It's just too, it's like, could be. It was aliens. Like, oh, come on, man. They went to- They're selling. Yeah. Look, there's a certain amount of that stuff that is absolutely fascinating. When you look at some of the depictions of like aircrafts that like the Egyptians used to do,

they used to make like these little model aircrafts with like a rudder. What do you think is the most compelling evidence for you? If you had like a UFO skeptic right here and you had like five minute, what's your go-to shit? Almost nothing. Nothing, right? Nothing. That's what's fucked up. There's nothing. There's nothing.

There's not one thing you can point to. The Disclosure Project, all the witnesses and stuff. Yeah, that's interesting, but they could all be crazy. They could all be out of their mind. You just never know. You just never know. There's all sorts of experiences that people can have, too, that are very, very unusual weather condition things like ball lightning. Ball lightning is one that's really crazy because apparently there's- Swamp gas?

Well, ball lightning apparently moves like some alien spacecraft. And apparently if you saw ball lightning and they've identified it, it's like this really rare form of lightning that instead of coming down like really fast, like a line, it can move around. And it's the same sort of idea. It's like an electrical charge that breaks free. You know, I'm not doing a good job of explaining it,

but I've seen videos on it. I've seen it explained. And I think if you were flying around, man, and you saw that, you'd probably think that was a UFO. And if you saw a lot of the experimental aircraft that they did, I talked about it with Shermer before you got here. I think there's a lot of that stuff

with just people seeing shit. For sure, most of it probably. But the more you get into how fucked up corporations are and how fucked up we've been for so long, the more you look at aliens like, oh, they are just distracting us with the aliens. They want us to think about fucking aliens. You know what I mean? It seems like a big distraction. I think people love it.

I think that's why it's on. I think it sells. I don't even think they're trying to distract us. I think it appeals to that archetype. And it's one of the things that Shermer talked about before you got here in the earlier podcast. We were talking about how it's like for a lot of people that are atheists, that becomes their God. And it kind of makes sense. It's like, well, I don't believe in fairy tales, but I believe maybe we were created by aliens who ran experiments on monkeys and they're all written.

Like, how come we won't believe the Bible, but we believe the Sumerian text? Well, that's an easy question. But how funny is that? We don't, we're not into the Bible, but we're into some. But that, those people were dummies. But these people, 2,000 years before years before them dude they had it nailed what it is it's not gods it's aliens man they came from well it all depends on the story yeah because an alien story actually kind of makes sense because we're we're just and we're in space and shit there's a lot of yeah no look it's i always

think of it as would we do do it? Would we do it? Do what? Would we run experiments on some life form that we saw on some other planet? Fuck yeah. Of course. What do we do to monkeys? We're doing, we're always testing AIDS medicine on monkeys and shit. We would do some weird shit with some monkeys from another planet too.

We're probably doing some weird ass shit on this planet that we don't know about. Oh, for sure. There's gotta be clone humans everywhere. Especially not in America, where you don't have any rules. You can go to some countries, they'll do anything. China's started doing experiments on human embryos,

like genetic experiments on human embryos. Just raise hitmen. You know what I mean? Just genetically modified. Supermen. Yes. Yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of time before they do something like that.

If they can do this genetic engineering and get through a few generations of it to the fact they got the kinks ironed out and start making a series of Alexander Corellons with an Einstein brain. Yeah, can you imagine if they could have a brain beyond Einstein? If you could create a human or a clone,

but you could do something so the brain develops like 10 times stronger and you're just like, you could read minds and shit. It's probably going to happen. It's probably going to happen. It's definitely going to happen. And then when that does happen and we see some poor monkey on some other planet

and we're fucking flying around out there in space, we'll be like, let's fix that dude. Just give him a little of our jizz. Just squirt it in there and see if he can figure it out from here.

Take that monkey, re-engineer it. Give it a language. They probably would have figured out language if we gave them enough time. Do you know they think that chimps are starting to enter into the Stone Age? It looks like I was just watching a documentary of a monkey,

and everyone's seen those videos of monkeys with sticks, and they're using it to eat ants and shit like that. I was watching a video. Orangutans, yeah. I was watching a video of a monkey who broke off a stick and started banging the bark to get some honey that was under the bark But the stick wasn't big enough so he throws it and then he helps and grabs another one carves it all out He should probably be using that as a weapon at this point if he's doing that

Yeah, I mean what happens then when when they learn how to use it as a weapon on each other and shit Well, what's amazing is what if what we're seeing is them learning it? What if what we're seeing is when they're just starting to observe this now, what if in our lifetime they start using tools? It seems like that's what's going on because either it's one of two things. Either they just didn't have enough video of them back then and they didn't have enough people observing them to really realize they'd probably been using these tools for a hundred years or so or they just started doing it in

our lifetime you know that's that could be possible have you ever seen snopes this i want you to snopes this because i don't know if this is true there's an orangutan that's fishing with a spear he's hanging off of a fucking branch over this river and he's got a spear. There's a photo of it. I just don't know if it's true. It looks so good. It's always one of those things. It's one of those things that I've always wanted to Google and I'm just

I'll get to that tomorrow. I just never get to it. I got other shit in my life to worry about but now that we're here. I don't want to freak people out these days. But I remember. I just remember. Do you see it Jamie I don't see it on I don't see it on Snopes but it says it's true

although the ape didn't sufficiently didn't develop the skill enough to catch fish whatever show the picture this is what's crazy look at this come on son are you fucking kidding me this is true okay if this is true that's a goddamn weapon.

That orangutan is sticking a long stick into the water. It's true, although ape did not develop sufficient skill to catch any fish. Yet. He's trying. This is insane. You would think humans would speed up that evolution, right? Exactly. Man. They're probably learning from, right? Exactly. Man.

They're probably learning from watching fishermen and shit. Yeah. You might have to learn that water refraction thing, and that might not be capable of doing that. Oh, right. Yeah, that's right. Water refraction is a big factor in bow fishing. These people that fish with bows and arrows,

when you look at a fish, say if you look down in the water and you see like the fish would be where this laptop is, it's not really there. It's like six inches lower than that. But there's this weird refraction thing going on because you're looking through water. So it's like looking through a funhouse mirror kind of. So you have to learn

how to shoot under. And the orangutan might not be able to figure that out. Very smart, Jamie. Did you figure that on your able to figure that out. Very smart, Jamie. Did you figure that on your own? You fucking wizard. Powerful, Jamie. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, but how crazy is it seeing him try that?

An orangutan by himself with a pole. I mean, he's not in a zoo. He's not, like, at the circus. Nobody taught him that. Those things are smart as fuck, man. There's going to be a crazy fucking karate dude who goes out to the jungle starts teaching monkeys How do you kendo look at him give him swords and shake you imagine if they got oh my god supply that gorillas with swords samurai swords

I mean that's Planet of the Apes is not that far how hard it would it be to teach him like a Jane Goodall got all evil and shit She started fucking cut Jane Goodall got all evil and shit, she started teaching him how to fucking cut. You know Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot? Does she? Yeah, she might be crazy. There's a comeback for Bigfoot right there. She might be crazy.

Not only does she believe, she's certain. She's certain. Is there videos her talking about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pull up Jane Goodall. Oh, shit. Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot. It's insane.

When you listen to it, she's way smarter than me, and she knows way more about primates than I do. So I talk shit, and I say, I don't think Bigfoot's real. He might be, but I don't think it's real. But when I hear someone as smart as her, who basically lives in the jungle, I mean, she's in the jungle so goddamn much, she might as well live in the jungle.

And this is what she says. Listen to this. Might not be her talking, we'll see. No, I well live in the jungle. And this is what she says. Listen to this. Might not be her talking. We'll see. No, I'm pretty sure it is. Now, I know you do wonderful chimp calls. Well, I'm going to do the greeting. It's the kind of sound you'd hear if you went to Gombe and you climbed up onto the ridge.

How long is this video? Five minutes. And if you're lucky, you hear the chimpanzee who's calling out saying, here I am. It's a wonderful day. Where are you? How long is this video? Five minutes. Five minutes. Oh. Where's Bigfoot, bro? Oh, here it is. You're talking about Yeti or Bigfoot or Sasquatch? Is that what he's talking about? Yes, yes, he is.

Pretty much. I'm out of the loop. Go ahead. Well, now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist. I've talked to so many Native Americans who've all described the same sounds, two who've seen them. There was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week, which says that British scientists have found what they believe to be a yeti hair, and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.

Did you always have this belief that they existed? Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. Did you always have this belief that they existed? Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. Animals were my passion from even before I could speak, apparently. I think that's it. Well, a couple people told her that they saw one, so. That's what she said.

She didn't see it. She's been in the jungle for 75 years. But they're not supposed to be in the jungle, though, where she goes. They're supposed to be in the woods. Where is, what did she say, the University of what? See if you can figure out what she said, like what university is that is testing a Yeti hair. Because I think that's bullshit. I would have heard about that.

It's not a, like, when I was on a sci-fi show, we tested some stuff. We tested hair. When I was on a sci-fi show, we tested some stuff. We tested hair. There's a guy, Todd Disotel, from one big university in New York City. I forget which one. NYU, I guess? Yeah, I guess he's an NYU guy. And I hope I'm not wrong, Todd.

But he's a geneticist. And so we ran tests on feces and on hair. And the hair was bare hair and the bear shit too and maybe some dog hairs too some what made him think it was a big foot shit not him he didn't think it was at all if he got big foot no no he's he's dedicated to disproving it but there was other scientists that gave us that's that's that's the one I'm talking about like what made him think this was it was bigfoot shit because they don't smell like bear shit, bro. Smell it.

Smell it. How would they know? Maybe the bear had fucking bad fish or something. Well, they can't even agree on what it eats. They were so sure it was Bigfoot shit.

They can't agree on what Bigfoot eats. I'm good. Who the fuck discovered that Bigfoot shit? We gotta find that dude. I met that dude. I met that dude.

The guy that found the shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a conversation with him, too. He's a nice guy. He's a teacher. Okay. In a school. Where did he find it?

Public school teacher. In Oregon. Found it out in the woods. He's like, this has got to be Bigfoot shit. I'm going to take it with me. I would think Bigfoot would lay logs, like as big as my thigh. Just giant. You ever see an elephant take a shit, and you see his asshole open up, and you go, good Lord.

Just flopping out of there, this giant asshole. That's what I imagine from Bigfoot. Do you believe that some people believe in Bigfoot, but they also believe in a different kind of Bigfoot. It's like a different kind of like a Christian church. It's like Lutheran. They believe, yes, we believe in Bigfoot, but we believe it's an interdimensional being. I've heard that one.

Yeah. What do you think the chances of that being real? Probably 100%. Dude, it's not just Bigfoot. Listen, bro. I don't believe it's interdimensional. I believe it's real, okay? I got to stop you right here, bro.

I'm one-eighth Native American. I'm a grandmother's side, and those are people. Our people have long known of the existence of what we call the Omaha. I have a bunch of different names for it. You know what? Omaha's a new name. Every time I go up to Oregon or Washington or do a seminar, I ask the guys by show of hands who believes in Bigfoot.

And most of them do. Most of them do. Yeah, well, keep them up there. Most of them have heard stories, you know. I believed in it for the longest time. And I don't disbelieve in it today. I don't disbelieve in it, but that's one you in it but that's one you can make fun of but I if they found Bigfoot I wouldn't be like

oh fuck I'd be like oh shit that's real I definitely don't disbelieve in it and you know what and I'll just say it I think maybe he is interdimensional you know what I mean that's how that's my gut feeling I'm going with my instincts bro you know you can take your science

But at the end of the day It's all about faith bro It's all about knowing in your heart And it makes sense that's why you can't find them Motherfucker just disappears I know in my heart and I'll defend it with my life That's the only fucking answer I know bro

It's interdimensional bro That's what I'm thinking bro That's why they can't find them You can't put Bigfoot on camera bro He knows about cameras. It's not going to happen, man. He's not going to appear where there's a camera or disbelief. Just because he doesn't wear clothes doesn't mean he's primitive.

He's super intelligent. They know you don't believe, bro. He's at one with nature. He's not going to be near you unless you're pure. He's super intelligent. You can't find him. You've got to live with the Sasquatch for them bigfoot don't shake you in there's a bunch of dudes who've claimed to have had like

friendships with Sasquatches like they move into the woods and they stay there for months at a time and then they Tell people they had these stories and there's video. There's audio recordings of What they call samurai talk you want to hear audio recordings that people think is a Sasquatch? You want to laugh? Oh. You ready to laugh hard? I could do Sasquatch. She didn't say it was at a university.

It's the Natural History Museum in London. Okay. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. Eddie, Eddie. Isn't that Bigfoot? Jesus Christ, no. That's Bigfoot.

You just made that up. You can't just make a noise and say it's Bigfoot. No, no, no, that was Bigfoot. They have a, it's the dumbest recording ever. Samurai chatter. Listen to this. Get ready for this shit. You're going to boil a gasket.

We had to analyze this on the show. This is when I knew my show was retarded. Listen to this. And he was there one time with a friend, and every evening they used to hear some absolutely bizarre noises and calls, and they couldn't figure out what the hell it was. And so they took up a tape recorder one time,

and this is what they recorded. Okay. Okay. It is very bizarre indeed. We decided to record the sounds on a CD and a cassette and make them available to people. Oh, what a good move. I do believe these creatures are trying to communicate with us, though. And we, as we speak, are having the linguistics people look into it. They are very encouraged.

What they're saying so far is that humans can do it. The range supersedes what a human can do. The range supersedes what humans... By a previous study at the University of Wyoming to be spontaneous and no signs of being re-recorded or pre-recorded

at altered speeds. So the idea of a hoax is very improbable as far as professionals are concerned at this time. What year was this? That they made this video? Got it uploaded? 2013? Look at that.

Does anything look more like a man in a monkey suit than that picture? But, here's the thing imagine if they really did sound like that i mean what does chimp sound stupid too if you heard that but like more complicated with an actual language like dolphin noises sound stupid if dolphins didn't make those noises, and you heard the dolphin noise like... You'd be like, that's not a language. What is that? How weird. Imagine if that shit's real.

Could you imagine? There's like 20 of them. They're all just living deep, deep, deep in the woods. What's more believable, Bigfoot or Loch Ness? I think Loch Ness is probably a really big fish like some kind of really big fish like a sturgeon or some shit something something really big that uh there's not that many of them you see that video of that guy petting a great white shark that's a great white shark just yeah it's on my instagram oh really yeah yeah yeah maybe i saw

it on your instagram you might have yeah it's ridiculous that's insane that's crazy weirdest fucking videos i've ever seen in my life like it's like a little great white plan it's like yeah it's coming out of the water and he's touching his nose whoa i know what the fuck no wonder pirates are fucking scared and shit they probably done with that shit on the daily. Can you imagine? Can you imagine a pirate fucking ends up on the coast of South Africa? Oh my God.

Dude, the story's there. Yeah, that's the craziest part. And great whites just hang out there. There's just a shitload of them there. Look how insane this is. This is so insane. It just keeps opening its mouth and those gums. Look at the gums and then these

fucking destructor teeth. They are scarier than any monster in any movie ever. And they're 100% real. Look at the fucking teeth on that thing, man. I mean, what the hell? And they fly out of the water.

Oh my god. Oh my god. Those Oh, my God. Those things are so insane. Just imagine that clamping down on you. I mean, it's cartoonish. A shark's teeth are cartoonish. They're giant swords, serrated-edge swords, and there's rows of them in their mouth. So if one snaps off, another one moves forward.

What a just spectacular animal. Just one of the craziest creations of nature. Or Thor. Did he make sharks? Was it Odin? Who makes the sharks? Who makes sharks? Yeah, if it was a god, which god would make the sharks? Who makes sharks? Yeah, if it was a god, which god would make the sharks?

Oh, I don't know. That's a good question. That fucking thing. I can't watch this, Jamie. I'm freaking out. If I had $100 trillion, I'd build this fucking, instead of an octagon, it's just this giant fucking ocean and put Great White and Killer Whale in there to fight. Killer Whales win every time you think so every time every time Great whites are not smart, and they're not nearly as mobile. They're not smart. They just swim around

How do you think you would how do you dump them in the tank? How what would happen you never seen videos of just how long would you think it would take? Before the killer whale attack the great white you just don't Get a big tank quick would you pay to watch that? the great white you just don't in a big trick quick would you pay to watch that you can watch it on YouTube like this no but you can there's never any good video I would never there's no good video of a killer whale Jack and it's like this splash I would say yes but you can never put a killer whale in a tank I think putting a killer whale in a tank is just beyond for ten minutes no no you can't

do that you can't force it to fight I think it's like forcing a person to fight. It's like picking up a slave. With money, you could do anything. Okay. Well, you're going to go in a helicopter and pick up some guy from the middle of the fucking Bornean jungle and make him fight in a cage fight. Would you do that? Would you drop him in there with a guy who's trying to kick his ass?

Or drop him in there with a wild dog or something crazy? That wouldn't be that exciting. I'm talking about the most exciting possible matchup. I know, but what I'm saying is dolphins and whales and killer whales are too smart. It's fucked up to do that to them. They're too smart. I see what you're saying. That's why I would never do it.

A great whale would never have a shot. Never shot. Maybe they get a fucking rabid one from South Island. They got to find a good one. We found a good, we found a gamer. Killer whales, I think they could definitely get the babies. Maybe you get a dumb killer whale, or a baby killer whale, and a fucking full-grown ferocious great white. This is the most ridiculous fucking conversation.

Probably the great white would bite right through it, right, if it was a baby. But when they're grown, fully grown adults, I think killer whales are bigger, and they're way smarter. They're just way smarter. And they just go right after the sharks. They go after them and decide to fuck them up. The video is this. Apparently they were watching a mother and her daughter or her son. You know, the mother and her baby. And a killer whale

the killer whale was swimming around with its baby and the shark showed up. And the killer whale was like, hold on, I'll be right back. Just went and fucked that thing up they got that on video yeah they got enough video and then I think the killer whale but you can't see shark up didn't it bring the shark and display it I'm trying to look it up now they're like got a recreated thing of it oh really like because it wasn't that they couldn't get a video. There's no way they could have got a fucking video camera down there. Yeah, look how much bigger it is.

That's what it shows at the end, yeah. This is the dead shark at the end. So this is the killer whale biting the fucking shit out of that shark. They just don't have real good footage of how it went down. That's footage from some Discovery Channel show they just pieced in. Probably, right? They spliced. They do that shit all the time. Dude, now when I'm watching the fucking Discovery Channel, it's like, dude, there's no way you got that shot.

You got that whole thing happening. You see it now. It seems fake now. It seems like. You see it now. Yeah. But killer whales versus sharks, I think, unless the shark is really big and the killer whale is really young. I think killer whales are just way too smart.

They're like a person almost. Just they don't move like us. So we don't consider them like us. But they have crazy languages. Great white versus dolphin. They kill dolphins. They eat them. Great whites kill dolphins.

They eat them. Fuck, I didn't know that. That's bullshit. They kill them. I thought they fucked sharks up. They do. They fuck dolphins up too. What was that, chips?

Remember, what show was it with them? Let me make sure I'm correct about them eating them. I know they fucked sharks up. They do. They fuck dolphins up, too. What was that, chips? Remember? What show was it? Make sure I'm correct about them eating them. I know they kill them. How could they catch a dolphin? Maybe they don't eat them. They kill them.

Dude, I'm telling you. Great whites kill dolphins. They kill whales, too. No, not great whites. No, orcas. Did we say great whites? Yes. Oh. Oh.

Okay, I knew they killed whales. Yeah, killer whales. They definitely kill dolphins, too. Yes, for sure. Great whites do, too, if they can. I was talking about great whites. Oh, my Yes. Oh. Oh. Okay. I knew the killer whales. Yeah, killer whales. They definitely kill dolphins, too. Yes, for sure. Great whites do, too, if they can. If they can get them. I was talking about great whites. Oh, my God.

I'm tired. I thought you said, that's so stupid. I thought you said killer whales. But for sure, a great white ain't going to kill no dolphin, right? A great white? They can. Yeah. If they bite them, yeah, they can get them.

If they fuck up. If somebody fucks up. But I think that the size difference between killer whales and great whites is just too big. But it's just very disappointing when you find out that killer whales are killing dolphins. And they kill other whales, too. Like, you know, the Arctic, the North Pole's melting. There's these whales that live out there that killer whales can't get to because they can hang in the ice because they don't have

a dorsal fin or something and they can swim through the ice. But now that all the ice is gone, killer whales are coming up to eat them. Yeah, isn't that crazy? So they're eating other whales so much that it's fucking up the Eskimo economy because they kill those whales. But now the killer whales are killing the whales they kill. Isn't that nuts?

They rely on whales that they kill. whales. But now the killer whales are killing the whales they kill. Isn't that nuts? They rely on whales that they kill. Yeah. God. So they need help. They need to do something about the killer whale problem. How many people are up there? Do they like it up there? There's people that are living off whales. Are they enjoying themselves?

What keeps them out there? There's not a fence, right? They stay. They should come to Phoenix. 100 below zero. They're like, we're just going to tough it out. It's not good, too. It's not good as far as the way their health is. Well, and the population

doesn't grow out there. Kids end up graduating and saying, fuck that. Like Curtis Hembrough, Austin head instructor from Alaska. They all get the fuck out. They don't stay. Well, Alaska's one thing.

Like, Anchorage is badass. But this is like where the people are eating whales and shit. They're like north of that. They're like way up there. They're like in the frozen parts. Anchorage is actually close to the coast, so it's not a bad place to live. Yeah. I've never been to Anchorage.

It's fucking great, man man is it like Vancouver like a colder Vancouver where it's only dark out for like an hour in the summer it's weird you go outside of like four o'clock in the morning it's bright out bright out like five o'clock at night bright out and it's like four in the morning you're like what the fuck is going on i got a little of that in sweden because when you go to sweden it's kind of north so it's like uh the sun's still out and it's 11 o'clock at night right you know the sun is still you know in your face yeah but i didn't uh i've never been that north never been to alaska it's crazy up there you did comedy up there yeah did comedy in anchorage with ari it's beautiful. People are badass, too. Did you get in some bow and arrowing? No, we were fishing.

We went salmon fishing while we were up there. It's beautiful, man. Just beautiful. That was the first time I saw an actual live in-the-flesh eagle, like outside of the zoo. Like watching a big-ass eagle fly right over your head is a trip. We had an eagle fly, you know, shit, 100 yards over our head. They'll take a baby, won't they?

They probably avoid people. But if you leave your kid out in the lawn, yeah. Yeah. If you just stand back and let, if they're hungry, especially if there's something wrong with them, like they're too tired to go get a salmon and they're getting old. I mean, eagles get old too. That's when a lot of animals get dangerous. When they get older. Like cats.

Big cats. They get dangerous. They get older. They can't catch dogs anymore. And they're fucking hungry, man. They've got to figure something out. Fucking eagle taking your baby. Can you imagine how you'd feel?

If you're looking up and seeing an eagle fly off with your kid. There's that video, right? It's fake. It ended up being fake. think so scary i believed it i believed it i believe that just like i believe the orangutan fishing video oh man oh wait a minute so it's not real no it is it is real he just didn't didn't pull it off but it really was trying to do it the orangutan was yeah man there's just so many videos like that and so many it's hard to know what is right and what's not you know with the photoshopping skills like photoshop steve oh my god oh man that guy's obsessed he's so good like things like that right like you look at those pictures like

okay that could be that could be real or not real you know it's so good some photos don't mean shit you have photo evidence really you really do well i when is it going to be how long is going to be before we i guess it's probably already happened right where they've proven that photographs that are used in propaganda are faked it must have happened didn't happen like during the iraq war wasn't there like some faked faked photos of missiles or something like that? God damn it. I bet they do that shit all the time.

They green screen and they pretend they're in Lebanon and shit when they're really in Virginia. They've been busted pretending they're

in the Iraq war and bombs are going off and they got helmets on and shit. They have been busted doing that. Yeah, they have.

Yeah, it's like on YouTube, they left the cameras rolling for, the tape is like an hour. You can go on YouTube. Oh my God. CNN during the 91 Operation Freedom War. They were faking the news.

That's so funny. So ridiculous. You know what? And good for them. They're supposed to be doing that shit. They're supposed to be doing that shit. You run that empire. You know what I mean? I don't think that's what they're doing, man. Yeah. They're supposed to be doing that shit. They're supposed to be doing that shit. You run that empire. I don't think that's what they're doing, man.

They're trying to put together... They're saving money? They're trying to put together entertainment, man. They're trying to put together entertainment. Hey, what about Operation Mockingbird? You take that. That was real. That was a real...

Which one was that? The CIA infiltrating broadcasting and journalism for propaganda purposes. This was a real operation. Well, there's been some real operations that are undeniable, that are pretty fucking crazy. And then how crazy is it that at CNN, it's rumored that based on how they present stuff, like based on how it's going down, what they show and what they're pushing and based on the agenda, you know, any retard will say now, you can't believe Fox News. Even retards say that.

Even retards say, you can't believe Fox News. Everybody knows that. Well, CNN's just like that. It's just the other side. So that's easy to believe. And then Anderson Cooper was in the CIA. He denied it for a long time. Then he came out and said, I was just there for a summer. He was like an intern, right?

Is that what he said? Once you're in, you're in. He was in. How come you denied it at first? And then his family comes from super wealthy background. The Vanderbilts and all that shit. It's all connected.

It's like, I don't know, man. I was going to say the other one that's really crazy is Operation Midnight Climax. You ever hear about that one? Nope. The government ran brothels in San Francisco and New York. And they got guys who came in to get laid and they dosed them with LSD so they could study them. That's not a conspiracy theory? No, no, that's real.

That's 100% real. Freedom of Information Act. Operation Midnight Climax. How the CIA dosed San Francisco citizens with LSD. Now, how crazy does that sound? How crazy? If we said that happened today, like it's going on today, you would be thought as a crazy man. But it's happened before, unless that's not true.

No, no, this is true. Well, then it happened before. How come it can happen again? I'll make it a little bigger so I can read it. Here it goes. You're crazy if you think they'll do it again. Lift it up. Consider nuts. That's crazier than any conspiracy theory, I believe in. That's the craziest one. Listen to what it says. It's been over 50 years, but Wayne Ritchie says he can still remember

how it felt to be dosed with acid. He was drinking bourbon and soda with other federal officers on a holiday party in 1957 at the U.S. Post Office building on 7th and Mission Streets. They were cracking jokes and swapping stories. Suddenly, the room began to spin. The red and green

lights on the Christmas tree in the corner spiraled wildly. Ritchie's body temperature rose. His gaze fixed on the dizzy tree in the corner spiraled wildly. Richie's body temperature rose. His gaze fixed on the dizzying colors around him. He got jacked. Somebody dosed him. But that's not this is in

this guy is not the guy I think this is he's talking about being dosed at a party. He's not talking about Operation Midnight Climax is he because Midnight Climax was about brothels that's why they were calling it Operation Midnight Climax and they think this guy's talking about getting it feeling yeah he definitely well he's a let's see here anyway he was high they were participating against their will in these studies is what it was essentially whatever Just go Google into it look into it folks Google into it. I don't think that's real term

But it's really interesting because what had happened was they were doing these studies on soldiers And they just couldn't get people to do it anymore people like get the fuck out of here like they didn't want to do it Anymore, so then they just started to figure Let's just try it on some other people they figured if they did it in a whorehouse, nobody would say anything. You know, guys don't want to admit they were there in the first place. Just dose them up with acid, then walk out of there all crazy.

Yeah. Isn't that nuts? Smart, goddammit. They do a lot of smart fucking shit. Goddammit. It's all set up so brilliantly. I mean, just the fact everybody knows that there's corruption at the top levels in the CIA.

Not everybody, but there's a lot of corruption. Everybody knows that. And it's okay. It's like the people that are really running shit, like the corporations and the international bankers, the CIA is right there with nobody to sue, no one to throw in jail, no one's accountable. It's just right there. They're involved in all this shit, just like what you just posted. They're involved in that shit.

No one's accountable. Well, you know what I think is going to happen? What I see as possible to happen? The same thing that's happening with performance-enhancing drugs in the UFC. That with someone like Jeff Nowitzki, when they have these USADA guys that are just showing up at your house at 4 o'clock in the morning, taking random tests. They have all these crazy things they could test for that no one even knew about, you know?

So slowly but surely, everybody's forced to be natural and compete naturally. And that's what we're seeing right now in the UFC. It's just too risky. They're too good. They're too sophisticated, right? So as far as we know, everybody's fighting natural. But we also know that they definitely didn't.

They cheated like a motherfucker. Everybody did. In other organizations, we know it. We know guys who did it. We know guys that would just be juiced out of their fucking mind, and everybody else was juiced out of their mind too. And that's how the game was being done. Everybody was competing on that level. So we know that. So in a lot of ways, I think that's because

of something like, you know, the new understanding of how to test people and something like the UFC hiring Novitski to go after this, right? But that's data, right? It's information. All that information as it does come out, they're forced to do it straight and narrow. I think that's going to be the case with government at a certain point in time. I think the people that are making a fuckload of money in corporations are going to make a fuckload of money anyway. But they're not going to be able to manipulate environmental laws the way they're doing now and get away with it. They're not going to be able to be more transparent. They're not going to be able to influence politicians to influence laws to make it favor their business. They just won't be able to do it so easily. I think there's always going to be money to make it favor their business it just won't be

able to do it so easily I think there's always gonna be money to be made there's always gonna be people buying cars and buildings and it's oh they're always always gonna be commerce but I think they'll be less fuckery in the future that's what I think mmm corporate fuckery they're still I don't think I don't think you can hide things forever when it comes to some of the practices that some corporations that are unscrupulous will engage in that aren't necessarily ethical. Like how about the BP oil spill, right? Like how about the way they cleaned it up and they made people – there was people in that town that – I, how much of a loss was that to them? How could you possibly compensate them for that?

I don't know too much about the BP oil spill. BP oil spill is pretty fucking crazy. I know it killed the Gulf and all that, but I don't know the details. I don't know. There was some kind of, you know, of the report. I don't know anything about it. I haven't looked into it. It was one of those things that they pulled the oil out of the ground.

Yeah, and there was an explosion. It exploded was exploded killed a lot of animals and ruined a lot of industry shooting fucking oil into the ocean yeah it's crazy it's it's amazing how many gallons were being pumped into the ocean and even more amazing how the ocean just sort of absorbs it what do you think of trump that's a long question i think it's uh it's this is a strange time it's strange to see a president that is okay whatever whether you like him or don't like him whether you support his beliefs or you think he's the worst thing ever i'm just looking at it as objectively, like as a performance piece. There's never been a guy that understands how to manipulate the media

the way he does. Never. No one even close. Everything he does is a big story. He says outrageous things. And because he says outrageous things, they tune in to make sure he says more outrageous things. The more outrageous things he says, the more people go, he's saying outrageous things. Let's tune in. He's the biggest show in town. Like, it's not even close. It's not even close who generates more attention, who's got people more riled up about him. People are bored as fuck.

They're bored. They're bored. They hired Obama. They thought bored. They hired Obama. They thought everything was going to change. And it, I guess, did a little on some fronts. And it was good socially. And the world's evolving in that way, in that direction anyway. So that's all good.

But Guantanamo Bay is still open. People are still in Afghanistan. It seems like the, you know, it's still chaos everywhere. I don't know if anybody could have ever fixed it, right? We're just bored. We're bored. What is this? What are we doing?

What is this world? Why are we in the Middle East? What is going on? Why do I have to worry about war? Why do I have to worry about gas? Why do I have to worry about global warming? What's going to happen with the polar bears? God damn it.

And then all of a sudden this guy comes along telling you how big his dick is. He says, I'm going to build up a fucking wall a million miles high, keep the Mexicans out. It sounds like Joey Diaz. The first wall they built, they didn't finish. Yeah. They already put up a wall. It's crazy. And everybody cheers.

You know, and the Mexican president calls me up and says, who's going to pay for that wall? You're going to pay for that wall. And the wall just got 10 feet higher. And he hangs up the phone and everybody's cheering. Pulls his dick off, just jerks off. He really said that? Yes.

Yeah, he told the guy the wall just got 10 feet higher. You know what I told him? The wall just got 10 feet higher. And everybody goes, yeah. Oh, I would love to see that clip. Can you find that clip? He's like a movie from the 80s. And yesterday the top person, president of Mexico, said,

we will never, ever pay for that wall. And the press called me up. And they said Calderon, the head man, top person, he said he won't pay. He won't pay for it. And you know what I said? I said, the wall just got

10 feet higher. That's right. He fucked it up by keep saying it's true, it's true, it's true. He's so strange. It's just so bizarre. I feel like almost like I'm watching one of them late night televangelist shows when somebody wants your money. I'm like, you can't have my money.

Look at you. You already have money. You can't get your money. I'm like, you can't have my money. Look at you. You already have money. You can't get my money. It feels like it's fake. It feels like this is the final piece of the simulation theory. Yeah. The final piece of the show where it's going to reveal that this has all been a comedy all along,

all been a strange comedy. I mean, do you think he's really... He's better than the other ones, except for Bernie. He's better than all the other people on the Republican side. I mean, Marco Rubio seems like a reasonable guy in a lot of ways, the way he talks. I don't know exactly what his beliefs are, but him and Trump, they get into these insult competitions,

and it looks so foolish. It's like, just because Trump does it, just don't do it better than him. Don't do it better than him. Talk about how ridiculous it is. And don't allow that guy to like, he's talking about how big his hands are and they're going back and forth with each other

and insulting his hair and insulting his spray tan. Like, they're like, it's like they're roasting against each other like this is not presidential but you understand you guys have a limited amount of time and this way that I don't understand the fake tan yeah and then Trump was bagging on Rubio wearing makeup the whole thing is ridiculous like this is a terrible way to have these people together like to have these people all competing then

what you're gonna get is who's the best at like giving you a soundbite under pressure you're not going to get who's the best leader you're going to get so who's the best at doing that debate thing that's what you're going to get because it's a weird thing you're standing up there on a podium you're right next to a guy who's talking shit about you what he's saying is not even true and you're like you can't even respond you gotta wait like wait. Like, fuck you, man. It's a stupid way to talk. And the fact that they time them, they give them like, ready, go. No, this is what you do.

You let them talk for a long period of time. If they're long winded and boring, people don't like them anymore. That's what happens. You put them in a long form, have them talk for hours and hours. Let them talk on a podcast. Every fucking presidential candidate should have a long form podcast that they have to do every day. And we see whether or not people want to listen to you. Not like have someone barking at you on the left.

Tell me what the fuck you can do. And then have someone talk to them that understands what can and can't be done. Have someone who's a real political expert sitting down and asking them some hard questions. And do it all the time. And based on that and their qualifications, but based on back and forth bullshit bickering with each other and insulting each other on our spray tans. That's so crazy. You guys are going to run the greatest army the world has ever known. And you're acting like assholes.

This is so stupid. This isn't just a bunch of know trying to win a game show this is if you win you run the world like and you you're insulting each other on makeup and tan you should be saying do you know how fucking stupid it is that we're talking about we have a five minute time period that you get to talk in or whatever the fuck it is and you're gonna spend your time insulting each other on hand size and you guys are babies You know you can't be the king no you guys are not the but there's no way you could be the best So like he is involved in that and Ted Cruz is like super religious which always makes me go man I don't know about that Ben Carson is super reasonable, but super religious

This he's the Trump is the guy that stands out is at least he's a rich guy that doesn't give a fuck. Are there any good things that Trump says that you agree with? You know what, man? I honestly have been so blown away by the bad things that he said that I've barely paid attention to the good things. But the shit that he said about Mexico, like, well, someone's doing all the raping like you know bringing over murderers and rapists and i was like oh my god like you just that's a whole country you're talking about millions of people you're talking about you know like well someone's doing the raping he says some crazy shit and it works man it works as far

as like if it's all a pr campaign and he just gets in there and he says ladies and gentlemen look i said what i said and i did what i did to prove a point that our media system is corrupt. This whole system is broken. It needs to be fixed. It's like a bad computer. It needs to be rebuilt. This is not good. You can't have a guy just juke the system like I just did. That would be the most amazing thing. If he gets into office and says, this is a very important position. So no more insults, no more bullshit. And now that I'm here, I'm going to just hire the best people and we'll try to figure out what the fuck's wrong with this country. How amazing would that be? If he gets into office and says, this is a very important position. So no more insults, no more bullshit. And now that I'm here, I'm going to just hire the best people and we'll try to figure out what the fuck's wrong with this country. How amazing would that be?

If he said, look, I had to insult these dummies in order to get in there. I couldn't let Hillary talk shit. I had to go in there, guns blazing. I had to take out Ben Sanders and fucking Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. But now that all that's done, we can all work together. What do you think of Hillary? What is your opinion?

I don't know opinion i don't i don't know i don't know how you can be entrenched in the system for as long as she's been entrenched in the system and not be not be the the past that's the system right the system is these special interest groups and lobbyists and you you know, making deals and having, you know, sitting down with all these people. In one hand, she knows more about government than any of them. She knows more about government than for sure Trump. Right. I mean, he knows about influence. He knows how to influence politicians.

He donates money to politicians. He understands all that but as far as like being in the board rooms when the shit goes down Hillary's like she's been like right in there so as far as like qualifications no one's got more qualifications for president than Hillary does the problem is do you here's here we all agree I think we all agree and this is not a knock against Hillary this is we all agree I think we all agree and this is not a knock against Hillary this is

we all agree that this system is fucked it's ridiculous representative government is kind of crazy the idea that you can have a bunch of people they vote

and they vote for one person that person represents that state and then the state they all get together and they try to pick the president you have the electoral college and all this wackiness we all agree

that that's kind of crazy right we all agree that it doesn't make much sense. There's a lot of things we don't get to vote on. There's a lot of decisions. The country goes one way or another way that we were really unhappy with. And it would be nice if we had like a giant public debate. So the only person that's going to change that, the only person who's going to knock that off its ass is Trump.

Because he's the only guy who's got his own money like that from the Republican side. He's the only guy. And in the Democrat side, Hillary's got a shitload of money, but she's kind of a part of the system. And Bernie Sanders, he's got some good ideas socially, wants to make marijuana legal. He wants to help people, wants to unite us, wants to pay for student education, which I think is a great idea. Wants to raise up the minimum wage. I think that's a great idea, too, even though I don't know shit about economics. So it's like there's not a lot of great choices. I guess Hillary would be the best choice on paper because she's been there.

Right, on paper. No, not even on paper. She's a crook. You think she's a crook? Do you know we're on the air? I'm like, we're live Oh, is that bad? This is live Isn't this debate talking, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah But you can't say she's a crook You've got to say allegedly Allegedly, allegedly What makes you say allegedly she's a crook? Oh, man Watch that documentary The Clinton Chronicles

And all the stuff that You know, the Whitewater scandal And all that stuff I mean, know, the Whitewater scandal and all that stuff. I mean, dude, she's in the Bilderberg group. Come on. Is she? She's deep. Her and Bill are deep, deep, deep.

That's not a conspiracy theory. That's real. She's in the Bilderberg group? The Bilderberg group is not a conspiracy theory anymore. No. The Rothschilds or the Rockefellers refer to it as the Bilderberg group. They started it. Yeah.

They flaunt it now. And she's in it, her and Bill. They're very powerful and they're deep, deep, deep in the top. They're way up there. They needed Bill to run everything through Arkansas. They had to bring him in. They ran everything through Arkansas. That's not a conspiracy theory.

They ran all their stuff through Arkansas they needed the governor to cooperate and that was Bill Clinton and to show their appreciation he became the next president he went from Arkansas obscure then he went to now he's part of the Bilderberg group just like that some Arkansas

governor just like that dude that Narcos on Netflix. Yeah. I finally finished it. Dude, come on. Oh, my God. Dude.

I wouldn't have gone into it if it wasn't for you. I really wasn't interested in it. Oh. I just was like, oh, yeah, more drug stuff. You got to trust me more, man. Oh, my God. I did trust you. Not more.

That's why I did it. And then Cartel Land is next. How dare you? Cartel Land is next. I hear. You're not the only one. Sounds like a generic little dumb little run-of-the-mill documentary. It? Cartel Land is next. I hear. You're not the only one. Sounds like a generic, dumb little run-of-the-mill documentary.

It's not. It's special. God damn. It's a special documentary that's going to blow your mind. And again, how big oil conquered the world, like the history of the Rockefellers,

fuck. Fuck. That's the craziest shit. Netflix has the most awesome shit right now. That's where it all came from. That's where it all, you know the conspiracy theorists, whatever want to call them they all they claim that it's all connected 9-11 jfk like it's the same people and they're all connected to the same

families the same secret society and it goes back well it's most of it most of it started with john d rockefeller and and uh standard oil and when you learn that shit, holy fuck. The history. And you know the craziest thing about the whole thing is he was so into monopolizing oil and everything. It wasn't just oil. Banking.

He got into everything. Big pharma. He had control of everything. He was so, John Rockefeller was so dominant. He was the first billionaire. He was ruling the world, man. And the one thing is

that all hemp or marijuana conspiracy theorists they all are aware of the reefer menace propaganda we all know that as as weed uh enthusiasts we know about the the propaganda that the government you know and then finally they it worked after 10 years of all this uh propaganda that made weed look like it killed you and stuff and made you do crazy shit. They made it illegal. And we all know that that's from big industry like DuPont and the Rockefellers and all that. We all know that, that they were trying to shut down the industry. They were blaming it on this Mexican smoking weed, but we all know that as weed enthusiasts. But you know,

what you don't know is, you know, alcohol prohibition was also because of John Rockefeller. Alcohol prohibition was also because of John Rockefeller. He supported anti-alcohol groups and blew them up and donated millions to blow them up to get to outlaw alcohol because he saw it as a threat to gasoline. Whoa. Yes. And this is not a conspiracy theory. Alcohol prohibition was all backed by John D. Rockefeller. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

It was a threat to gasoline? Yes, alcohol alcohol because they thought people were going to make like ethanol no no no they he just wanted to ban eth he didn't he wanted to crush the ethanol business right right that's so so but the way he did it is to create this hysteria with drink we everyone has a drinking problem everyone's killing each other so he did the same thing he did both of them he did the same you're gonna find out about this this is not a conspiracy theory so he so they made uh so they were they're worse jamie yes quickly how big oil conquered the world but but he he funded uh the anti-saloon league it was run by one of his good friends. And you know what ended up happening? Same thing.

They outlawed alcohol. You couldn't drink alcohol. But they said, what about the alcohol for cars? And they wrote in the law that you could still make alcohol for cars, but you got to put petroleum in it so that people don't drink it. So it killed the business. So now they got to put oil in it if you want to sell it. And then it killed all.

Dude, he killed everything. And he got busted for everything. John D. Rockefeller's dad was named, they called him Devil Bill. They know all about his dad. This is not a conspiracy theory. Their family, historians will tell you about his father. He created him. He was a rapist, snake oil salesman, running from the law, changed his name.

Devil Bill? Devil Bill. That was his name. So he had a bunch of sons, and John D. Rockefeller was one. And he was known, he was quoted as saying, I cheat my sons every day. I want them as sharp as can be. He just beat the living fucking trust out of them and just drowned all their trust. So John D. Rockefeller grew up not trusting anybody.

Look at this. Rockefeller, Ford, and the secret history of alcohol. Wow. The secret history regarding alcohol that you won't hear in the 6 o'clock news. Cars and everything else running on internal combustion engines can run on alcohol at least as well as they can run on gasoline. Indeed, engines were built back in 1870 that could run using alcohol or gasoline. A New York Times article from 1908

enthusiastically states, autoists discuss alcohol as fuel, great future ahead for use in commercial wagons, says Professor Lock, Lack? Lock? What is it? How do you say that? Lock. Lock.

Lock. Lock. Tests with motor truck E Hewitt tells engineers of his results with gasoline and alcohol in the same engine. Henry Ford said that alcohol was a cleaner, nicer, better fuel for automobiles than gasoline. Wow. Holy shit. Wow.

This is nuts, man. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's a- This is fucking bananas. It's a gas propaganda or alcohol propaganda that is so crazy because you can make alcohol without fossil fuels so if you made alcohol today you could fuel i mean people can make alcohol right people make alcohol they moonshine apparently

anything any vegetable that ferments you can use as fuel it's really simple anything do you know neil young has that? Well, he has diesel, though. He doesn't make alcohol fuel, but he makes diesel. He makes biodiesel. He has a giant ranch. I think it's- Northern California.

Isn't it the same thing? If it ferments, it's- Maybe you call it diesel, but it's fermented vegetable matter. I don't know. I'm just guessing. I don't know. But that's what Henry Ford said. Henry Ford said anything that you could ferment, apples, anything, you could turn into biofuel.

That's crazy. And John D. Rockefeller, that's what he was all about. He's the richest man in the world, was raised by a psychopath. Dude, he got busted for monopolizing oil. They finally indicted him. He had to break apart Standard Oil, and it made him a billionaire. That's what made him rich is when he got busted when he had to sell everything off he just he took over education dude when you learn how we see in a documentary yeah what is it how big

oil conquered the world on YouTube I'm scared yeah you you you actually know where it all comes from hey 100% it's all 100% 100% it's it's a psycho yeah yeah one Yeah one dude One dude and all his sons now his sons and his grandson. It kind of makes sense, right? I mean if you think about it I mean the really super ambitious people in business a lot of times the most cutthroat the most You mean how competitive you got to be to be like a William Randolph Hearst or one of these you know, you know I took over

Universities did he wanted to take over the world? He wasn't just trying to sell gas He's trying to take over the world our education system is all based on Rockefeller Foundation Shit, I guess he strategically Wanted to make school so that we got people just smart enough This isn't conspiracy theory just smart enough to work. They didn't want anybody too smart. That's how the school system was designed. Did he say this somewhere? Watch the documentary and then you come back and tell me. Have you seen it, Jamie?

No, you just opened up a new rabbit hole. This is how he did it. He would just donate. He'd go to a university, like the University of Chicago, and just say, I'm going to give you millions of dollars. And they said, oh, shit. He goes, but I got to have a couple of my people on your board to make sure it's spent right there like okay so he gets his people in and then

they just take over and they design they design history John do you reckon Rockefeller got 20 20 historians and designed the history they designed it that's one when people you know you make fun of history and in ninth grade books you make fun of that history. It's a joke, right? It was put together by Rockefeller. Dude, look at that number. His peak wealth was $318.3 billion based on the 2007 U.S. dollar.

Oh, my God. He lived to 98. He was a motherfucker, bro. Look at his dad. He lived to be 98 years old. Oh, my god. He lived to 98. He was a motherfucker, bro. Look at his dad. He lived to be 98 years old. Oh my god. His dad, Big Bill Rockefeller. They called him Devil Bill.

Yeah. They called him a lot of things. Devil Bill. Shiftless man who spent most of his time thinking up schemes to avoid actual work. Nevertheless, thanks to the guidelines of his mom, Eliza, a homemaker and devout Baptist, John D. grew up to be quite a hardworking man. Okay. Interesting.

Man. Interesting shit. Yeah, dude. Let's check that out. What's it called? Big Oil what? What is it? How Big Oil Conquered the World.

If you're a conspiracy theorist, most people don't go beyond JFK. There's so much in just JFK. If you want to get into Watergate and the Iran Contra and 9-11, there's so much in just JFK and then all this, you know, if you want to get into Watergate and the Iran Contra and all the 9-11, there's so much information. It's so hard to get into multiple things. But once you got that covered, go back and his dad, Samuel Bush, was Frank Rockefeller's right-hand man. And how the Bushes and the Rockefellers have always ran shit. When you go back, Samuel Bush, George Sr.,

think about how old he is, his grandfather ran with Rockefeller. You have to do a podcast. You and Michael Shermer. Who's that? The guy who just left. Oh, man. He didn't want to talk. I just... No, Eddie grabbed him from the moment he walked in. You think Tower 7 went down on its own? The moment you walked in the door. Don't ignore Tower 7.

People say... I don't want to ignore Tower 7, but I do got to wrap up this podcast. There's a guy... I do have to end. I got to get the fuck out of here. I'm so sorry. All right, all right, all right. I would love to talk about this podcast, but it's way late. I got to get out of here. But we sort of broke down the UFC. We did for a while.

We totally did. Connor and Nate are both fucking legends right now. Both of them. Holly Holm, Misha Tate, both legends right now. We're going to look back at this 20 years from now and have an old man narrate the highlights, and it's going to be fucking insane sitting in your wheelchair thinking about this shit yeah it was classic classic shit i think

it was the greatest two fights ever in ufc history i think that was the greatest ufc ever that was the greatest ufc ever no doubt you know people keep saying oh you keep saying it's the greatest ever because they keep getting better this is that was those were the two highlights to me that made me i mean it was bananas. Even in Conor's defeat he looked like a fucking just like a global barbarian. And he handled the loss like a champ right after

the loss. Right after the loss he handled it like a champ. Alright, you fucks. We'll be back tomorrow. Tomorrow's Chris Bell, right? From Prescription Thugs. You ever see that I want to see that I heard about that

I want to see that I'm watching it tonight Alright ladies and gentlemen That's all Rockefeller too That's all Thank you bye bye Big kiss Thank you.