The Joe Rogan Experience - #776 - Adam Cropp

Episode Date: March 18, 2016

Adam Cropp is an Expedition Leader on the National Geographic Orion, from the remote jungles of Papua New Guinea to the frosty frontiers of Antarctica and everywhere in between.

Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. The opinions you're about to hear do not represent National Geographic or anybody other than us. That's it. And even us, we're not sure of it. We're not committed to these statements. Adam, welcome. Thanks, Jack. Thanks for having me. Pull this fucker right in front of your face there. Thanks for having me, Joe. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Dude, you live a life of adventure. I was so excited when you contacted me and I went to your Instagram page and saw the photos and saw the places you've been and looked you up. Man, you're living a crazy life. I do a bit of traveling, that's for sure. A few frequent fly miles. Man, I mean, so much

adventure, so many different places and so much cool shit you've seen. How did you get into this? I kind of grew up doing it, to tell you the truth. I had a family who made nature documentaries. So as a family unit, that's what we did for a living. And so I was traveling from, well, the moment I could walk, basically. Wow. That is cool. What is your dad? Is is like a filmmaker or something?

Yeah. Your mom, I should say your mom or your dad. Well, it's a family unit sort of thing, whatever. Um, I guess, how do you explain dad in a nutshell? Um, he is kind of the Australian Jacques Cousteau maybe, or the Australian version of that maybe. Um, he started off as a shark hunter back in the sixties. So it was actually hunting sharks version of that, maybe. He started off as a shark hunter back in the 60s. It was actually hunting sharks and filming it, putting it on TV. Leonard Nimoy was narrating. Spock was actually narrating them back in those days. Wow.

He'll never be anything but Spock to me. I know. I know. I love that voice. You get fucked, man. You have a role that's too good. And then he turned conservationist after probably mid-60s or something. So he was a hunter.

So he was going out and killing sharks. And then what made him sort of shift into conservation? I think it was just realization of just, yeah, what a waste, you know, going around killing sharks. And also I think after you spend enough time with sharks in the water, you realize they're not dangerous at all. Like, these things are magnificent creatures. Right. Beautiful. Under most circumstances.

I mean, obviously, they do kill people. They get hungry occasionally. Yeah. I mean, and you do. The problem is we look like seals on a surfboard, right? And that's the real problem. It's mistaken identity. Nine times out of ten, mistaken identity.

And the only way they can figure out what you are is by coming up and taking a little bite and going, ugh, that's a surfboard and wetsuit, ugh. But that one little bite can sometimes kill you. But it's very rare. It's very rare to get eaten by a shark. Yeah, fairly rare. Not rare enough. Well, okay.

Once again, perspective. I mean, I should just just clarify I'm not in favor of killing sharks I'm not interested in eradicating them from the ocean but they scare the shit out of me man I was in California in California now but it was like a couple years ago some guy well this is my biggest fear some guy was swimming with a bunch of people that were training for a triathlon and I was off the coast of San Diego, and he was bit in half in front of everybody. So, you know, I mean, it does go down.

But perspective. We kill 100 million sharks a year. Well, not you and I. So we probably shouldn't say we. As humanity. Yes. Humanity kills 100 million. Mostly for soup, right?

Yeah, sharks and soup. They kill maybe 8 to 10 of us per year. I think it's less than that. I think it's like 5. Yeah, it depends where you get your statistics from and what you're counting because most fatalities when it comes to shark attacks are actually the Zambezi, the bull shark.

It's in Africa. You don't have great records. But I would say, yeah, eight to ten per year. The crazy thing about bull sharks is they can live in fresh water, like deep, deep, deep in fresh water, like way up rivers. They're kind of blind. They can only see about six inches in front of their face. So they like rivers and dirty kind of water.

I spent two years swimming every day with a, oh, it's about a three-meter bull shark in captivity. And as soon as you stirred up the water, she would come right in. She loved it when it was murky because that's when she had the advantage over other animals. Oh, interesting. Well, you know the basis for the movie Jaws was actually a freshwater shark attack? It was baffling to people. They had no idea that sharks at the time would even exist in freshwater.

But it was in New Jersey, and these people were in a river, and I think two people were killed inside of a short period of time by bull sharks that had swum. Swum? Swam. Swum. Why does swum sound right? Swam upriver in freshwater.

So these people were at a freshwater beach by the river, and they got killed. Everyone's scared of the great white, the big shark. But if you talk about the amount of attacks, bull shark is far, far more. That's interesting. And you think it's because they don't see well. So it's a mistaken identity thing. Well, it's once again, they see you using the electrical receptors. So they can see your heart beating basically.

But it doesn't know what you are, and it's got really bad vision. So the only way it can figure out what you are and whether you're edible is to come and take a little bite. And that little bite sometimes can be fatal. Yeah, I saw something last night. I think it's got to be bullshit. I wish I could remember the name of it. But it was a camouflage suit that you could wear while hunting that does not give out the electrical signal so like a Faraday cage suit well it's like

it was less clothes it was somehow or another these clothes keep an electrical signal from like animals from seeing this electrical signal I it sounded like horseshit though well I mean there is some science there if you have a Faraday cage suit so what is it from a Faray cage a whole heap of metal basically woven that stops uh electrical yeah this is the stuff jamie is that real makes significant humans significantly less detectable by animals yeah no it would it would make sense for sure with animals that have the electrical impulse receptors like sharks do huh well sharks have, sharks have the line on their body, right? That's what it is?

Well, all fish have a lateral line that's going down, and that detects electrical impulses. But sharks have on their nose, it's a really hard word to pronounce, I'm not going to try, but they have this electrical receptor on the front of their nose. And so when a shark sees you, it can actually see your heart beating. And so say you're swimming with sharks and someone else next to you and you've been um you've never been you've been swimming with sharks before you're pretty calm so your heart's going boom boom boom boom person next to you never been swimming with sharks before

freaking out their heart's going boom boom boom million miles an hour that shark's going to swim up and go lunch to the person with the faster heartbeat because they're stressed out. They're going to be easier to catch. Nature does not like bitches. That's what it is. You panic like a bitch. Nature's like, mmm. It's true.

If you panic when you're in with sharks, they'll come right up to you. They want to check you out. Well, all animals, right? Have you ever seen people that just freak out around dogs and dogs start barking at them and then another person can come up to that dog, hey, buddy, what's going on?

You all right? You know? Yeah, yeah. So your dad was a shark hunter and when he was hunting these sharks was he doing it for food were they eating the sharks this was i mean you got to remember the back and this is back in the day you know this is kind of 50s 50s 60s yeah early 60s um and back then it was he was filming people killing 20, 30 sharks at a time. And it was the first underwater documentaries out there sort of showing that world. And they were using explosive heads, like a spear gun with a bullet 303 on the end of it. Oh, wow.

And they were shooting them that way. But I look at those videos now, and some of the species they were killing are just completely harmless. And I guess it eventually did get to that point where they turned around and went oh hang on this is bad and so use that fame or that desire for this underwater footage and then and then sort of take a conservation angle to it instead so were they initially doing it to eradicate dangerous animals is that why they were doing it i guess there's that aspect of that too i tell you the truth i think it was just good TV. Okay.

So it was just, let's go shoot some shit and put it on television and here's sharks and everyone's so scared of them. You know, that's, it was quite a natural thing back then to go, you know, you're scared of something, go kill it. And so your dad, while you were young, became a conservationist and then started taking you all around the world. Yeah. So we made these kind of one-hour nature documentaries.

They were shown in Australia on Channel 7 over here, Disney Channel. I picked them up. They're shown around the world. And mainly underwater kind of adventure. I look back now and actually think it's kind of reality TV, to tell you the truth, because it's a documentary of a family going on an adventure and learning some stuff and seeing some cool stuff on the way. Wow. So this has been your life all along? Yeah.

Wow. That's cool, man. And so how did you get involved with National Geographic? You're a National Geographic expedition leader. I work for a company called Limblad Expeditions National Geographic. So it's a partnership between Limblad Expeditions and National Geographic. And we've got a fleet of 10 vessels. And we take people to the remotest places on Earth, basically. And so they graciously give me a $100 million ship

and 100 people on it. And you start here and you end here two weeks later. And yeah, go for an adventure. Go see what you can find. That is fucking badass. It's good fun. It's a lot of work. It's like anything you get paid for.

There's work to it. Sure. But, yeah, the perks are just phenomenal. The perks are amazing. $100 million vessel. Yeah. Wow. It's a nice ship.

It's a beautiful ship. National Geographic, Orion. It's one of the best exhibition ships floating at this point in time. And so when you go on these ships, what are the ultimate goals? To collect samples, to view things, to take photographs, to try to view rare species? A bit of everything, really. So we have scientists on board doing some research and stuff like that. But we're also taking tourists.

We're taking people who are paying a considerable amount of money. I can go to those? I can go on a tour? Yeah, yeah, for sure. You can come down to Antarctica with me. Ooh, that's too cold. I want to go somewhere cool. Antarctica is a lot warmer.

You just got back from Costa Rica. Why didn't you invite me to that? That's badass. I have to point out, I do it with my friend down there, Conrad, said, make sure you invite Joe down here. Is that your boat? Yeah. No, that's the National Geographic Orion.

You're on a cruise ship. It's not a cruise ship. We have to be very specific about this. It's an expedition ship. Oh, you have to say it's not a cruise ship. That's a fucking cruise ship, man. There's a difference between expedition and cruising. Okay.

So a cruise ship goes to port to port. You know, you stop in at some town. You go up. You explore the town for the day. You come back. You jump on the ship. It goes to the next destination. We don't go to towns to port. You stop in at some town. You go up. You explore the town for the day. You come back. You jump on the ship. It goes to the next destination. We don't go to towns.

Right. We go to places in between. We go to remote places. We've got 13 Zodiacs on board, so little small vessels. Dude, you're living like a gangster on this thing. Look at this. Look, you've got a hot tub. Come on, son.

It's opulent. If you were a Russian oligarch, this is what I would expect. Look at these. What are these rock piles? Why do you have rocks? Yeah, they got removed about last week. They got removed? Yeah.

Because they were like, why do we have rocks? It's original design, 10 years old. Okay, I see. So that's 2006. It's not like we're talking about the 20s, back when people didn't know any better. So you had these rocks there just for looks? Are they going to kill me if I talk about the rocks too long? Why were they upset about the rocks?

I saw them removing them, so they're removing the rocks. Yeah, it seems like a lot of weight to be carrying around just to look pretty. Fiberglass, come on. They're fiberglass rocks? Oh, they're fake rocks. You wouldn't put rocks on top of a ship. Look at this. These photos you guys party in.

It's like a Jay-Z video. Yeah, we have cocktail parties all the time. Wow, that is a badass boat to be touring around with. I spent New Year's dancing and partying on the ice in Antarctica. Whoa. So, yeah, we have some good parties on there. We do. Did you see any polar bears?

Polar bears in Antarctica? No, they're not in Antarctica. That's penguins, right? Penguins. Penguins in the south, polar bears. Penguins in the south, polar bears in the north. Right. What kind of mammals do they have in Antarctica, though?

Oh, lots. I mean, you've got all your different whale species. So, blue whales, fin whales, say whales, humpback whales, minke whales,ke whales orcas um and you know a lot of different dolphins as well and then of course your seals your pinnipeds um so elephant seals leopard seals leopard seals seals are pretty cool those are the wildest man i remember when i saw that march of the penguins movie and that's the first time i really found out about leopard seals or uh had seen them in high-definition video form. I think maybe I'd seen a photograph of them before. But I didn't realize what a majestic beast they are.

What a strange, almost like a fake animal. Doesn't even look real. I think of them like a swimming jaw. Just this huge, big jaw with massive teeth. Yeah, right there. Yeah. So see the size of the teeth on them. And they eat penguins.

And occasionally they chew on the back of zodiacs as well. Zodiacs? Oh, those boats? Yeah, the small boats we have. Yeah. Probably about one a year they end up chewing on the back of the zodiacs because they're an inflatable boat. Right.

Why do they do that? To fuck with people? Yeah, probably just to fuck with people. Well, they're really weird because there was that one account that this photographer did. It was several days where he spent filming a female leopard seal, and she kept bringing him penguins to eat. Have you heard of this? No. It's really fascinating because he was terrified.

It's this monstrous, enormous, predatory animal. You have to have respect for them, for sure. Oh, yeah. They're huge. And she kept bringing him dead penguins and bringing them to him. Like, come on, eat it, bitch. And I guess she felt bad for him or she was just trying to make friends with him or some sort of strange thing. She's not in a position where she was famished or she didn't have food.

She had plenty of food. So she wasn't looking to eat him. So she just decided to help him and try to feed him. It was very, very strange. I mean, the golden rule with sort of biology is don't panthro-pomorphize. Don't put human emotions onto animals. But the closer you look at animals, the more time you spend with animals. You see these emotions.

You see elements of culture, all sorts of stuff going on. Yeah, we don't give them enough respect we don't give humans enough pull that up this is it right here how a leopard seal fed me penguins it's really crazy um they have video footage of it too i think if you press the video you'll you'll see this uh it's really crazy the this gigantic thing got very well for the videos okay no worries we don't have to show it. But folks can find it online. How a leopard seal fed me. Is that the name of it? How a leopard seal

fed me penguins? Amazing. I mean, that's National Geographic as well. That's your folks. Yeah, I recognize the photographer, actually. I kind of had a similar experience quite a few years ago. Jugong. You ever heard of a jugong? I've heard the word, but what is it?

They're in the Cyrenian family. Closest relative is manatee. Oh, okay. Dugongs, it's kind of, you know what a manatee is, right? So think of a manatee, and then instead of like a beaver tail, put a dolphin tail on it. It's very small differences, but basically the same thing. And there was this one in Vanuatu, and it lost its partner.

And so every day what it would do is catch turtles and bring it up to the beach and just push them up on the beach for the locals to eat. And so every day it would catch all the food the locals would need. And then they befriended it. And it was one of the only dugongs in the world that you could actually swim and play with. We did a documentary on it called The Elusive Mermaid. So I spent quite a few weeks swimming with this dugong. Crazy, crazy. That's so strange, like the personality diversity in these animals. Like, look at that. There it is.

Whoa, that thing is crazy looking. Yeah. Are they huge? About 900 kilograms? It's D-U-G-O-N-G for anybody who's interested. Dugong. Dugong. Dugong.

What a crazy looking animal. They are. They're sometimes called the sea cow. They eat about 40 kilograms of seagrass a day. Wow. So an enormous amount of food. That's insane. Sometimes called the elusive mermaid as well because sailors back in the day used to mistake them for mermaids.

That's how horny they were. Yeah. You've got to be drinking a lot of rum to think that that's a mermaid. Well, people just get so desperado after long periods of time alone. Yeah. That's a wild, wild animal, though. It's strange that it would try to feed people. And they have no idea what the motivation is, right?

Once again, like if you anthropomorphize, it just wanted interaction. They're a very close-knit social structure. So when you have a group of them together, they're all together, very tactile, rubbing up against each other. So if it was in the middle of nowhere, there's no more dugongs around, it just decided to befriend the locals and kind of go that way.

And there's lots of evidence with lots of animals doing that, interspecies kind of friendships going on. And I've got a good story, if you give me a second, for the dugong. I nearly got killed by a dugong. Accidentally? Or it tried to attack you? It tried to kill me. Really?

So I was filming this documentary, Elusive Mermaid. And so we're doing lots and lots of video. And so I went to this one in Vanuatu. And we're filming him and in the water playing with him and stuff like that. And he really liked females. Didn't like males. Humans. that. And he really liked females. Didn't like males. Humans. Humans.

So he would have issues. He would chase and harass males, basically. But back in those days, I had long hair. Sounds like Jamie. Jamie doesn't like males either. So I had long hair. So I kind of fooled him, basically, that he thought I was female. So he was all real casual with me, and then he would grab your leg, basically,

and he would, on your wetsuit, he'd clean his mouth on it and stuff like that. It was very tactile, definitely grabbing you all the time. Clean his mouth on your leg? All the bristles in front of his nose, he would just kind of clean that on your wetsuit and stuff. He was just, I don't know, very tactile. And so one time he was doing that, and he kind of went a little bit too far up my leg and he felt something. He went, I saw him.

He looked at me and went, you're not female. You're male. And so he attacked me. And so what he did is he grabbed me and then it's a 900 kilogram animal. You got no hope. So he grabbed me, holding my arms against my chest sort of thing. Took me down to about five meters on the sandy bottom

and just held me against the sandy bottom. Trying to kill you? Well, I'm kicking, I'm thrashing, I'm punching, I'm doing everything I can to get out of this bear hug from this ju-gong. And I was down there for a minute and a half, two minutes or something, started to get the black coming in on the vision. Jesus Christ. And I remember clear as day just thinking,

death by ju-gong, Didn't see that one coming. And then as soon as I gave up, just kind of stopped fighting, he just let me go. It was just a game. It was just a game for him. He just wanted to prove dominance, basically. Whoa. And obviously, he doesn't have any data as far as how many minutes a person can hold their breath before they die. As soon as I stopped fighting and I just gave in to the fact

of death by jugal, he let me go. I was wearing a wetsuit, so that sort of brought me back to the surface. Yeah, that was a near-death experience for me. Wow. Wow. Jesus Christ. How terrifying and weird. So you felt like you tricked him?

Well, yeah. I mostly fooled him. I mean, he was... I was there and there was a honeymoon couple there as well. There's a little resort, what we call a resort, like it was shacks in the forest kind of thing. And I remember sitting there at dinner one time and the new wife is going, oh, come on, honey, jump in the water with the dugong tomorrow. And he's like, no way, I'm not hopping in because he would just get attacked every time. So he really didn't like males. That's so strange.

I wonder what it is about you, just long hair. How could they know the cultural differences between the way humans wear their hair? It's an interesting point. I mean, you could speculate and just go, well, he's just recognizing, you know, there's all type of long-haired people and non-long-haired people. I don't know. How the fuck would he know? Animals are, you know know we need more data. Do you think that's what it is or do you think it's you with your long?

Experience lifelong experience being around animals that maybe you were more relaxed So he was cool with you Yeah, that's definitely an aspect maybe mandolin. Okay, but go off and they give off that energy like back off to go Yeah, yeah. I mean, that definitely could be elemental. No, you back off, bitch. And then he attacks them. And the girl's like, don't hurt me.

And he's like, don't worry, I'm good. We're good. Maybe he just likes people to be submissive. Could be that, right? Yeah, there's the whole alpha thing. Could be, right? Going on everywhere. Yeah, that's a strange, strange-looking animal, man.

That would be a weird animal to kill you. Yeah. Yeah. I's a strange, strange-looking animal, man. That would be a weird animal to kill you. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely didn't expect to have a near-death experience with a dugong. Because you can barely get near these creatures normally. You know, a fleeting glimpse in the far distance is all you ever see of these animals. So is it when they're around resorts or something like that, where they become accustomed to humans? Or around where there's large populations.

I'm trying to think of another tame dugong. This one, he died or left or something went wrong a few years back. And I can't recall any other tame dugongs around the world except in captivity. I spent a bit of time with two in captivity at SeaWorld on the Gold Coast in Australia. And, yeah, they were a bit messed up, actually, like most animals in captivity. Well, it's like that lion whisperer cat. What's that dude's name? The handsome fella that's always on television.

He's on the Jimmy Kimmel show all the time, and he's always hanging around with lions. I think I know the guy. You know the guy? Yeah, and he sees the lion. He's like, hello, what you doing? The lion comes up to him and he gives him a hug. I'm like, okay, how the fuck did you ever work that out? How do you work out that relationship?

Is that the guy? No, that's one of them. I think there's probably more than one of these dudes, obviously. It works. Very strange. 99 times out of 100. Well, apparently, this is from what I understand, like lions and big cats, like tigers and lions,

when you have them as pets and you raise them as pets and you get used to them, accustomed to them, they're so not intimidated by you. As long as they're well fed, you're pretty safe. They're most likely not going to fuck you up. But they might fuck up other people who are around you and panic and don't know how to deal. They're like, why did you bring this asshole here? I like hanging out with you. And then they just whack them.

I don't think we give enough respect for animals. I mean, just your dog. Your dog likes some people and doesn't like other people. And you should always listen to your dog. Your dog knows best. Well, your dog definitely knows when people are shady. When you have someone over and the dog starts growling, you're like, what the fuck is going on, man? You know?

Yeah. Dogs know when people are comfortable, that's for sure. You know, I knew this lady. She had these crazy German shepherds, man. But I've been around dogs my whole life. And I was cool with them. And she was surprised. And she was like, you know, normally when these dogs are around people, they growl.

They want to bite them. I'm like, why don't you fucking do something about your dogs then? Like everybody? Like your dog thinks everybody's an asshole? That's probably on you. That's bad training. Yeah. That's not using – well, positive reinforcement.

If you use that technique, you can get a dog to do anything. Well, any animal and, well, anyone. I think she liked having aggressive dogs. Yeah. She liked having people intimidated around her and her dogs, you know. But anyway, that's not it. You've been bitten by a box jellyfish. Yes, dude.

Well, I've been stung, technically. Yeah, I'm saying bitten. They don't even have a face. You've been looked at and you've been read the riot act. No, they don't have a mouth. How did you get stung? Did you not know it was there? I didn't know it was there, obviously.

I was about 12 years old in Torres Strait, which is a bunch of islands in between Australia and Papua New Guinea. And I was playing with a whole heap of Torres Strait Islanders, local boys, playing in the ocean, just swimming around. And then I had one wrap around my leg quadricep.

Yeah, a lot of pain. I've heard women who have children have said that, and been stung, have said that it's far superior pain to childbirth. Superior, like they enjoy it better? Far worse, basically. In orders of magnitude worse than childbirth is how they relate the pain. You'd probably have to talk to someone who's been stung by a bullet ant, which is supposed to be one of the most painful things.

I wouldn't wonder who's got the nod. If you get someone, listen, I know you've been stung by a bullet ant. I'd like to encourage you to try the box jellyfish and tell me. Yeah, it's a lot of pain. It's the kind of pain where you have to scream expletives. You can't just sit there and take it. You have to be screaming something because it's that painful. And it's super deadly.

To the very old and the very young. You were 12, right? Yeah, that's actually pretty good. We're talking very young. You were 12, right? Yeah, that's actually pretty good. We're talking very young. We're talking 5, 6. We're talking about the amount of toxin to body mass, basically. Oh, okay. So if you're a little tiny kid, then that's a lot of toxin for a small body mass.

If you're very old, then it's heart attacks, aneurysms, that sort of stuff. Wow, aneurysms. Well, it messes you up. The pain, it causes heart attacks. Right, because you just freak out. Yeah, too much pain. So just the physical sensation of pain is the catalyst for these heart attacks and all these different things.

Your body freaks out. Yeah, I mean, you are getting stung by a neurotoxin. Don't get me wrong. In the tentacles of a box jellyfish, there's pneumatosis, little tiny poisonous darts, basically. And when it touches something biological, so that's why you can wear a tiny little thin lycra suit or pantyhose, whatever,

as long as there's something in between your skin and the box jellyfish, it'll never sting you. But if it touches something biological, then these little poisonous darts fire and they fire into your skin and they inject a neurotoxin and it makes for an incredible amount of pain. Incredible. And the first aid back then was vinegar.

Yeah. We had a bottle of vinegar. I remember it clear as day. My dad came over and he got the bottle of vinegar, two-liter bottle of vinegar, and he just put one little splash on there and then put the lid back up. And I'm sort of screaming at him.

I'm like, put the whole bottle on there. But he wanted to save some in case some of the locals got stung as well. So he could. Oh my God. Saving him for some fucks he doesn't even know. I got one splash. Oh my God, dad. Yeah. I was, I was screaming some expletives at him over that one. So how long does the pain last? Um, it was about six hours before I just passed out, you know, just, it was six hours of pain sitting there screaming expletives. And then I, I guess I just tied myself out, you know, and then I passed out. know just wow it was six hours of pain sitting there screaming expletives and then i i guess i just tied myself out you know and then i passed out um still painful for probably about six months five months afterwards six months yeah it lasts for a long time not as severe as

that first six hours but it's still yeah it's it's Six months? I don't recommend it, no. Oh, my God. That's insane. Is that the worst thing to happen from an animal other than death? Like, as far as, like, pain? That might be. I've never heard anything that lasts six months. I'm sure getting mauled by a lion would probably, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, that would be death.

But you're talking about, like, damage. Like, that's ripping your tissue apart and breaking bones and things along those lines. Yeah. What you're having is just these little tiny needles. Yeah. And it affects you for six months. Yeah. And that's not the worst jellyfish.

Everyone goes, box jellyfish, coronax flecora. They're all like, oh, that's the worst one. Well, actually, there's a worse one. What's the worst one? It's called irakangi. It's actually a whole heap of them, but they lump them all together into this Irukandji sort of group. And they're tiny.

They're the size of your pinky fingernail. Absolutely tiny. And the pain from them is more severe than the box jellyfish. Oh, Christ. Yeah. And you don't even feel the sting. Why don't we find them and kill them all? Why not? What's wrong? Why is everybody... Not enough research. Not enough research on them? Yeah. We still don't know find them and kill them all? Why not? What's wrong? Why is everybody...

Not enough research. Not enough research on them? Yeah. We still don't know a lot about them. Yeah, the Russians are going to use them for toxic... They're going to drop them on Manhattan. A big balloon. Oh, blame the Russians.

Name some evil people that you don't know. I just love how everyone always blames the Russians. Yeah. Well, it's convenient. Well, you've been accustomed to it in TV and movies for the last few decades. Well, when we were kids. The real thing was when I was a kid and I was in high school, it was always we were worried about the Russians nuking us.

We were worried about, you know, we'd heard about the Cuban Missile Crisis and the standoff, and everybody's always terrified that one day. There was always the stories that, you know, there was one time where we almost went to war with Russia. There was almost a mistake and they thought missiles were in the air and they almost sent missiles of their own. Mutual assured destruction. I think you'll find that actually happened quite a few times. Yeah.

Yeah. So that was a gigantic fear in America. But also in movies. The bad guy was always Russian. Sure. At least in your opinion, some description. It's ironic, really, because, I mean, it went away for a little while. You know, now it's back.

Not really ironic, but interesting that now it's back with Putin is the most potent example of, like, the scary Russian guy ever. KGB, judo, black belt, completely dominating this country in some sort of a strange way. Anytime there's some sort of political adversary, they magically wind up getting shot in public. Nobody goes to jail for it. There's a lot of corruption all around the world, and I find

it funny that we always pick that out. I guess I'm more aligned with probably Abby Martin on this one. I love your interviews with Abby Martin, by the way. That, yeah, they do some bad shit, but they also do some good stuff as well. Everyone's got their bad side and good side. Well, he's openly gangster, though, in a weird way. In good ways and also in bad ways.

He's pretty openly gangster. Have you ever watched him? He does these sort of public question and answer sessions for about two hours once a year or something. Oh, does he? Yeah. Have a watch. It's really interesting to watch him actually. He's a very smart dude. Yeah. Very, very smart man. And, and even I've even seen humor in it as well. Very, very briefly, but there's humor. He likes Trump. No. Yeah. Really? He thinks Trump would be a good president. He likes Trump. No.

Yes. Really? He thinks Trump would be a good president. You're shitting me. Nope. Okay, let's- That's his guy. All the respect I had from Putin has now disappeared. I might have made that up.

Check it. Make sure you check it, Jamie. I don't even trust me. I mean, when I look at Putin, I see he wants stability. That's what he wants. He wants stability. Stability. Stability.

And Trump is not stability. And cash. You don't think- Yeah, that. The bromance between Trump and Putin is over. It's over. That's what he wants. He wants stability. Stability. And Trump is not stability. And cash. You don't think? The bromance between Trump and Putin is over. It's over. It's over. What happened? Yeah.

I didn't think. Oh. But he said he liked him for a while. This just came out yesterday. Oh, this is yesterday. So I was right for a while. They've been boys until recently? Oh, you know what it is?

Because Donald Trump put out this ridiculous video about our toughest opponents, and he showed Putin doing judo throws, and then he showed... Did you see that? It's a hilarious video. Play it, because it's so stupid. And it shows Hillary barking like a dog. It's really like... I mean, you could say it's defamation.

Like, he's doing this judo throw, and he shows ISIS, and then he throws the democrats have the perfect answer but well you don't see that but she's they're making bark noises make america great again here it goes you'll see it here you'll hear the music see isis and then the democrats have the perfect how rude can you just do that can you just put fucking bark noises in her did she actually have the perfect... How rude. Can you just do that? Can you just put

fucking bark noises in her... Did she actually make those noises? Yeah, that was her making it. Oh. Well, I guess you can then. It's a good little remix of it, I think. When you're running for president, everything's fair game.

But I saw a video that I retweeted today. It's called 13 Minutes of Hillary Clinton Lying that someone posted. It's all her saying one thing and then saying a completely different thing that she's always stood for a completely different thing. Only 13 minutes? Well, they just wanted to make it so you could absorb it.

Yeah. I'm sure you could get deep. As an Australian, American politics is hilarious and also really sad. That's how we feel. I mean, you guys think you're having an election right now? The rest of the world, we're viewing this as an IQ test. And yeah, you're not doing so well. Yeah, well, I think it's an asshole job.

And I think only assholes want that job at this point in time. I think at one point in time, it was the real... You're right, you're right. But it became that with special interest groups, with corporate donations being completely unrestricted now, you know, where corporations can kind of act as an individual and they have the freedom to, it's insane. And so it's become a money grab and a real strange one. So what interests me is these guys like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump for two different reasons. Bernie Sanders because he's a socialist and

he doesn't want anyone's money and he wants to take down corporations and he wants everybody to pay more money to their workers and he wants free health care and free education and he's an extreme lefty, you know? Well, hang on. I got to stop you right there. The rest of the world, Bernie Sanders would be slightly left. Hillary Clinton would be probably right. Yeah, more right. And Donald Trump would be out of the building on the right-hand side. Yes.

Because when you look at Europe, Australia is not a great example at the moment because we're kind of following you guys. But when you look at Europe, like, yeah, nearly all your candidates are right of center, even though they're Democrats or whatever. Bernie Sanders, I've heard a little bit about and, you know, some of the stuff I agree with. Me too. Yeah, I do as well. I agree with a lot of his social stuff. I agree with the minimum wage thing. like a real economist who's like a centrist, someone who has a real objective perspective on it because a lot of people just trying to like protect money and they don't want,

they definitely don't want to pay more to workers. They don't want a minimum wage to be 15 bucks an hour or what you would call a living minimum wage. But what I agree with a lot of his stuff as far as like people, like just social issues, you know, his issues when it comes to the legalization of recreational drugs, his issues when it comes to a lot of things like education being far too expensive and students being saddled down with ridiculous amounts of debt before they get out. Oh, that's true. And then why can't we engineer a system where reasonable healthcare is taken care of for

people, where normal, regular stuff. There is no reason why you can't because the rest of the world is doing it. It's true. But I have friends that live in Canada and their health care is atrocious. The way they describe it, this is from me personally, from them, and there's more than one person, they've had issues with needing surgery and they have to wait a year, hip replacements and knee surgeries and things along those lines, where they're just limping around for like a year waiting to get in.

I can't speak of Canada, but I can speak of Australia because we have obviously very similar systems. Australia is fucking fantastic, by the way. You don't have to wait at all. Like I go in and see a doctor in the morning and I can have a cat skin in the afternoon or what have you. You need to, if it's like knee reconstruction, yeah, you get put on a list. You wait three months.

Three months is not bad because you might wait three months in America. Yeah. It's not that bad. But if it's something more minor or definitely more urgent, you're in surgery that afternoon. That's great. And then also that's the public system. We also have a private system as well. So I pay $600 a year, which most Americans find amazing, but $600 a year. And. We also have a private system as well. So I pay $600 a year, which most Americans find amazing, but $600 a year. And that means I have a choice where I can go to the public or the private hospital. And so if I get told, Oh, you got to wait three months, I can go, well, I'll use the private health insurance and you're on on Tuesday. That's incredible. Well, you have a better system than apparently what's been described to me about Canada and England as well.

And then apparently what's been described to me about Canada and England as well. But Australia is just so great as far as the cities and the people. Like Melbourne. I was in Melbourne and I was like, man, I don't even think I want to leave. I could live there. Melbourne is fantastic. But I have to point out though, Australia though, it's not about the cities. It's about the outback.

It's about the Great Barrier Reef. It's about the remote places. That's Australia. It's about the Great Barrier Reef. It's about the remote places. That's Australia. That's for you. You're all about the places where you can die, get killed by Tasmanian shit. Tigers and shit. Well, they're not really. It's like a dog, right?

It's a Tasmanian tiger. Did you ever see that movie where, what's his face? Willem Dafoe goes and hunts the last one, finds a Tasmanian tiger and hunts it? I missed that one. Stupid movie. It seemed like a good idea, but then you watch it and you're like, it's really goofy. And then the Tasmanian tiger, obviously they're extinct, so it's a very CGI-ed Tasmanian tiger. Yeah.

Like the, remember the lions in I Am Legend? Oh, yeah, they were bad. They're like, what? That's how the Tasmanian tiger looks. Yeah, there it is, the hunter. Yeah, for some reason he's hired. I don't remember the premise entirely. I like William Dafoe, so I'm kind of interested in it at the same time. Yeah, it's interesting.

I mean, well, the Outback is so... The thing about Australia that's fascinating to me is how few people there are, but yet how enormous the actual country itself is. Oh, yeah, it's huge. It's the size of Europe. It's the size of continental USA. Yeah. It's huge. It's the size of Europe. It's the size of continental USA. Yeah. Huge.

And there's only like 20-something million people in the entire country? 20. What are we up to? I think we're up to 24 now, somewhere around there. That's Los Angeles. Yeah. We got some big deserts and stuff, though. We got a lot of big space that's not really that great.

Yeah. Not habitable. Yeah. But, yeah, we got some. We don't have too many people and we've solved immigration completely. So we don't have any refugee problem or anything like that. Really? Yeah. Sold it?

We've solved it. Oh, solved. Yeah. How'd you solve it? Oh, very, very simple. Did you do a Trump-like wall? Well, we've got an ocean, so we use that. a Trump-like wall?

Well, we've got an ocean, so we use that. So when people come across on boats, refugee boats, you know, jam-packed full of people, coming across, we meet them with Coast Guard, and then we turn them around, and then if they don't turn around, then we get all the people on

Coast Guard military boats, and then we take them to another country, to a detention camp, and then we put them in there. Whoa. How rude. And then if you're a reporter or maybe you're with Red Cross or something and you go visit these detention camps, you can get put in jail for about, oh God, 10 years or something for reporting on anything that's going on there.

What? So we've totally, we've solved the problem because you can't report on it and yeah. That seems a little fucked up, doesn't it? You know how you had George W. Bush? We had our own little George W. Bush a few years ago. His name was Tony Abbott, and he was messed up. He was very messed up. This is all his policies?

Yeah, this is all his policy because he came into power going, I'm going to stop the boats, and so that's how he did it. He just shipped them off to Nauru, Papua New Guinea, to other countries, and then made it punishable by years in jail to report anything about it. Wow. It's crazy. That's insane. But we solved the problem. Well, I guess you could say that, but that sounds like how Trump would do it.

Yeah. So like you're saying that Trump is right, you know, way off the charts right. That sounds like your old president. Yeah. What I hate about it, other than it's just terrible for the people involved, is that we've lost our moral standing. We can't turn around and go,

oh, you know, China, you're doing this, that, the other, for, you know, I've lost the word, but, you know. We don't have that authority anymore. We don't have that high stance anymore because we're doing messed up stuff to people as well. Yeah. And still going on to this day, no way you will not make Australia home. What is that? Was that a poster?

That's our ad campaign. Holy shit, man. But I bet you let some nice white people in. I know I have some friends that are comedians that have moved there that they love it there my friend arch barker he's gigantic over there yeah he became a huge huge star in australia yeah he's i mean i've watched quite a few of his shows in australia yeah um yeah funny man funny man yeah very funny but i mean what's interesting is he kind of just he's a regular comic here.

Like, you know, he's like a Tony Hinchcliffe or, you know, a guy who does well, headlines in clubs. Over there, he's a superstar. Like, when I was over there, like, the first time I went to Sydney and, you know, I met people and they, what do you do? Oh, I'm a stand-up comedian. Do you know Arj Barker? Everybody, is that a bad accent? That's a bad, bad accent. Do you know Arj? Ar Arch Barker? Everybody. Is that a bad accent? That's a bad, bad accent. Do you know Arch?

Arch Barker? Is Nick going to be throwing shrimps on the barbie or something? No, I wouldn't go that far, man. I'm not like that. But anyway, Australia is awesome. So it seems like a really good place, though, to have a base if you want to explore. Like if you're from that part of the world. I have a friend, my friend Adam Greentree out in australia and he's a bow hunter and he's just constantly taking these

incredible he's a great photographer as well and he has these incredible photographs on his website and on his blog he pulls some of those up because you can see him but he um adam green tree and he's just uh constantly he's got a this Toyota that he had specifically set up for expeditions you know I can't like live out of it for like weeks you know most Australians have that setup yeah what most Australians have some camping set up for a month you know out of their truck I saw a lot of those like snorkels and stuff like they were super calm yeah I mean you got some stretches in the outback there where you can literally go for 500 kilometers without a fuel station so you've got to take extra fuel

you've got to you got to be prepared yeah they have those jerry cans they strap up to the roof of the car these gigantic jugs of gasoline and you just but that's the real australia i can't point that out enough like everyone goes to i've been to australia i've been to sydney i'm like no you went to a nice city you know the real australia is uh where i'm from cans you know up the northeast corner um where you've got rainforest and you've got you know uh great barreef and you got the outback and that sort of stuff i think there's the oldest evidence of life ever um that is on earth in uh australia there was an ancient, ancient reef. There's some of Adam's photos.

There's one of them. He's got some amazing photos that he's taken. He's got a website, a really cool website. I'll check him out. So oldest, are you talking the human habitation? No, not human, like biological life. There's some sort of an enormous reef that they found in Australia that was just fucking billions of years old.

I mean, I do these tours where I first started with Lindblad National Geographic was in the Kimberley region of Australia, which is the kind of northwest corner. Incredibly remote, you know, 100 kilometers to the nearest road, wherever you go. You can only access it via these kind of ships. It's the only way you can get there. And, you know, you'll be cruising through 100-meter high, 300-foot, sorry, sandstone canyons. And the rocks there are 1.8 billion years old. They predate fossils.

And that's the canyons that you're cruising through the whole time. It blows your mind to see that kind of stuff. And then up there as well is the oldest human habitation. And that's looking at about, well, there's still, the data is still coming in, but about 50,000 years old. The oldest human habitation on Earth? Well, that's definitely in Australia, in the Kimberley there. I'm not too sure about on Earth. Older than Africa?

Well, Aboriginal people, the native people, they came into Australia, once again, lots of people vary the numbers on this, but about 60,000, 70,000 years ago. That's when they entered into Australia. So they've been there for a long time, very, very long time. And their artwork there just will blow you away. Right. But obviously people were, they existed in Africa earlier than that, right? Yeah. I mean, Homo sapiens sapiens, you're talking about 200,000 years ago, the species,

our species kind of evolved out of Africa, probably around Kenya, somewhere around there. And then we started migration. And so we followed the coast, which makes sense. Most of our food was in the intertidal zone. You know, that's where our food was. So we followed the coast. And so you go around basically Middle East, you know East all the way down into Indonesia and then across a short canoe ride, probably the first ocean crossing into Australia. And that's about, yeah, I think 70,000, 60,000 years ago. Wow. Yeah.

That culture's been there for a long time and there's a lot we can learn from aboriginal people in fact there's a lot of good a lot of interesting stuff another horrible human rights violation that you guys did

oh yeah stole aboriginal kids the english empire struck together decided to raise them yeah we did some we did some horrible horrible stuff

we keep saying we yeah I know you and I didn't kill any sharks we didn't steal any aboriginal babies we can't keep saying we well I'm part of humanity's true. You and I didn't kill any sharks. Yeah, we didn't do anything. We didn't steal any aboriginal babies. We can't keep saying we. Well, I'm part of humanity, you know.

Yes. Take a little bit of blame for it. I don't know about blame, but we're a part of the race that has done some fucked up shit, but has also created cell phones. Well, I mean, that's all forgiven then, really. Airplanes. No, not forgiven, but, you know. It's sort of like your perspective thing when you're talking about sharks.

Yeah. You've got to put it in perspective. How many people have actually stole aboriginal babies? You know, when you look at the billions of people on the entire planet, very few have actually done that. Native cultures have had a really hard, hard truck. They really have. And if aliens landed, we'd have a hard time. That's how it always is. The most technologically advanced society thinks when it

finds some sort of a native society that's living in a way that they used to live a long time ago, like, oh, you fuckers, you don't even know what you're doing yet. You've got to figure out this whole wheel-gun thing. So this whole, you know, they were living sustainably in an environment for 70,000

years and not doing anything basically wrong or harming that environment at any stage, and then we know better. Yeah, that's how we think, I guess. But, I mean, we definitely shouldn't do that, but I don't want to live on horseback and chase buffalo with a stick. You don't have to. I mean, you hear this. Everyone thinks that doing something about climate change or environment is going to make a reduction in your living.

Oh, that's a totally different argument. I'm talking about invading into places where people are living this indigenous lifestyle. This is an issue they're having right now in the Amazon. These tribes that are essentially completely, they're almost non-influenced by Western civilization. But, I mean, when you come to, like, changing lifestyle and things to make up for what we're doing to the environment, yeah, no arguments here. There's obviously some shit going down. Oh, yeah.

It's a little warm out lately. It is a little warm out lately. Last month, what was it, northern hemisphere, two degrees above industrial times. Yeah. Two degrees Celsius. It's interesting. Better than cooling, though. Cooling is much more terrifying.

Global cooling is horrifying. That's when populations drop off. That's when innovation drops off. That's when it gets really scary. I would say the warming is just going to be just as bad. Have you ever read any of the work or listened to any of the work by Randall Carlson? He's a fascinating, fascinating guy. He rings a bell, but I can't recall. He's been on the podcast several times.

Maybe you've heard him there with Graham Hancock as well. But he's an expert in impacts, in astral impacts. Oh, yes. Okay. He was doing the stuff out at Utah or whatever. Yeah. With the glacial thing. I'm with you.

Yeah. Yeah. out of Utah or whatever. Yeah, all over. With the glacial thing. I'm with you. Yeah, yeah. And he's basically taken his entire life studying both climate change, prehistoric climate change, climate change within the last ice age until now and connecting some of the climate change, some of it, with impacts,

with asteroidal impacts at the end of the ice Age, which was 10 plus thousand years ago. Makes perfect sense. Why would it not? Well, there's evidence, like actual evidence of impacts and what they call nuclear glass. I think it's called tritonite. And it's from, you get it when they do nuclear test sites. They find it. And you also get it from meteor impact sites.

And it's this, like, really cool-looking green glass where the ground. It's just overheated and the sand's tender. Yeah. But it's all over Europe and Asia and around 12,000 years. And they're pointing to that as evidence of just massive impacts. Like, we got hit by. Everyone, I mean, the layman always goes oh the last you know big impact 65 million years ago you know the kt boundary with dinosaurs and

stuff like that there has been impacts constantly since then yeah and uh and there's we just need more evidence basically to fill in the gaps but there's been a lot of impacts we it wouldn't surprise me in our lifetime that we see an impact. Yeah, we will. Well, we certainly have on other planets. We saw a giant one on Jupiter that was – Yeah, that was crazy. Oh, my God. Schumacher-Levy? Yeah.

Yes. Schumacher-Levy was as large as the entire planet Earth. That's how big the impact was. That's a big rock. Well, not the rock itself. The impact. The impact. The explosion was as large as the planet Earth.

Fuck. Apparently, that's a – That's a good place to use your budget. Maybe, you know, work on a bit of space defense or something. Yeah, I hope they can figure that out. Well, think about it. We're probably the first species on this planet to ever get to the point where we have the technology to defend the planet from these cataclysmic events. Yeah.

We're the first people to have that ability, but we're not using it. Well, we're the first people to come close to having that ability. I think they have some inkling as to how to do that right now, like coating them with some sort of a silicone or something like that, which is going to change. There's so many different ways. Nudge them. Yeah, nudge them is the easiest way. You just go land something on them with a rocket on it and then start burning that rocket.

And if you do it early enough, you will change the trajectory enough to get it out of the solar system. Yes, we're lucky. There's so many of them. That's part of the problem, right? There's like 900,000 near-Earth objects. Yeah, but it's within our power. We can do it. And it's crazy that we're not because really that's something that can really mess up society that we currently have.

That's a nice way of putting it, mess up. Yeah. It'll mess up society. Maybe Australia would be the spot. Well, you guys have been hit too. That was one of the things that Randall concentrated on. He showed these slides last time he was here, maybe the time before that, where he showed these massive tsunami erosion marks

all over this one area of Australia, which indicate there was something that landed in the ocean off the coast and just caused massive, massive tidal waves. I think he was saying, if I remember correctly, somewhere around 6,000-plus years ago. I mean, you can get those tidal waves just from earthquakes. You know, you don't even have to have an impact to get a tsunami coming in.

And a tsunami, if you don't remember the one sort of in Indonesia and stuff like that, and Sri Lanka, like, it can do a lot of damage, you know. I was looking at your notes, man. Did you see a UFO? I think so. Well, it's an unidentified flying object. Yes, I did.

Was it little aliens and green men? I'm not too sure on that one. Do you think it might have been? Need more evidence. Where was it? So I spent a lot of time on boats when I was growing up. So I'd spend months out at sea. And so I'd regularly be in the middle of nowhere,

1,000 kilometers from the nearest town or light source. And so you'd go out you know, be in the middle of nowhere, a thousand kilometers from the nearest town or light source. And so you'd go out, middle of the night, go to the toilet, which a toilet on a boat is basically go over to the side, hang over the railing. And so you look at these stars, like, and there you see this, you see satellites, you see, you know, the most, most people I don't think even have ever seen the amount of stars you can get when you get to a very remote location, to the point where you see individual satellites going over and stuff like that. And so that's what I grew up doing most nights. I would be sitting there and looking at this.

And once or twice I did see some stuff that you go, hang on. And being a bit of an aviation buff, I love sort of space and aviation, go, hang on, that's not quite right. That doesn't make sense of how that object went that way and then turned around and went the other way. How old were you? Oh, we were talking between 10 to 15, somewhere around there. See, that's the problem.

My memory between that age is dog shit. But it was more than one on one occasion. But we were in the middle of nowhere. Like, we were literally, if there was ever, if you're doing a secret military plane flight or something, that would be the place to do it because we're in the middle of nowhere like we were literally if there was ever if you're doing a secret military plane flight or something that would be the place to do it because we're in the middle of nowhere and what did you see what did you do um seen some some big lights uh going just low uh fair distance away nothing hovering over me or anything but you know going off into the distance and then i remember seeing one time where i went out there and started to do my thing

and then I saw a light that looked like Venus, like a bright star. I'm like, hmm, that's interesting. A bit late for Venus to be up because normally Venus is right at the start, sunset, sunrise sort of thing. It's a bit strange. And then you look back and it's moved. And then you're like, oh, hang on. And then you try and work it out with the boat moving and stuff like that and then it just started to move and then turn around and

move the other way and it's just like my from my knowledge of aviation it's like there's nothing really that can do that so what it was who knows but i just i find the whole thing fascinating i find it interesting yeah i think i well first of all I want to believe so bad. I always have from the time I was a child. And I think many people share that romantic notion of how amazing it would be if we were visited by some intelligent life. There's not aliens and it's a big waste of space, man. Well, the most likely is something alive out there. The question is whether or not it's visiting us. Yeah. And if it did visit us,

it would have to be so far removed from what we think is possible as far as like technology. But we also, I think part of like what's going on with our own minds when we consider the future. So we know that technology keeps improving. We keep innovating. We keep coming up with new methods for all sorts of different things. And one day, we're most likely going to be able to regularly journey to other parts of the universe.

Most likely. If we raise NASA's budget slightly. Nothing. Well, I think private sector is probably the best option. I mean, when people start finding profit in visiting. I mean, if they can figure out how to mine for diamonds, isn't there like one of Jupiter's moons or something like that that's made out of fucking diamonds? Or not Jupiter's moons.

It's actually another planet they found out in one of the newly discovered planets. Exo planet. See if you can find that. There's a fucking planet made out of diamonds out there. Well, we think based on looking at wavelengths of light coming from hundreds of light years away not really we sorry you're good you're good i here it is language yeah english is a great astronomers discover a planet made of diamonds jesus christ racing around a tiny star in our galactic backyard yeah so if they could figure out how to visit that,

they'd blow a fuck. First of all, diamonds would be worth like a dollar. Well, I mean, that whole gravity waves thing is a great step forward. Suddenly we are seeing that you can adjust gravity or gravity is adjustable to a certain degree. That's probably where the interstellar technology will come from.

Right. More research into that area. And the fact thatar technology will come from. Right. More research into that area. And the fact that we just kind of, they just proved it. It's that concept that they sort of bastardized in Event Horizon. Did you ever see that movie? Yeah, yeah, great movie. Yeah, where they talk about folding space-time and punching a hole through the two points.

So you would surmount, you would rather, you would traverse insurmountable distances in a very short period of time my understanding is that's wormhole technology um where with the gravity waves it's i think probably star trek does it well enterprise where you basically you're just uh adjusting this the fabric of space-time in front and behind the ship and so you're not moving faster than the speed of light. You're just kind of making a bubble in the space-time that you then travel in.

It's fascinating when you read right into it. And I think that's probably where it will come from. But, yeah, we need a lot more studying on that one. Yeah, you think? We'll get there. But we will. I mean, if humans survive 100,000 years, I mean, imagine. And that's the concept. The concept is if there is some life form out there, we've been alive, or this planet, rather, has been around for 4 point something billion years.

So if something just had a different combination of elements and maybe perhaps lives in a protected area where they don't have a gigantic asteroid field just outside of distance from Mars and Jupiter, you know, like we do. Or, I mean, there's comets. They might live in some protected area where they have more freedom to grow and innovate. We're in a Goldilocks zone, if you really look into it. For us. We are totally in a Goldilocks zone. Even the moon.

Right. But, you know, dinosaurs, it was only 65 million years ago, got completely fucking smushed by a rock. That could happen. And that big crater outside Nevada. There's so many of them. It is possible, though, that there is a solar system out there that doesn't have this issue,

that for whatever reason doesn't have nearly as many asteroids. And so some life form has been innovating for millions of years more than us. But I mean, we could do that right now. That's what I'm saying. We have the technology right now to stop these cataclysmic impacts. I think you're being a little generous. I think they miss a lot of them, a good percentage of them, because of the gravity and the way the sun is.

The sun is so fucking massive, a million times larger than Earth, that I think when things are coming behind the sun, oftentimes we don't even see them until it's too late. Until we can figure that out. You get these fucking Manhattan-sized chunks of rock flying our way. I think one day maybe we'll be able to do it but my point being that it is possible there's some sort of a civilization out there that doesn't have to deal with impacts that maybe maybe they've developed

in a way that they don't have predators the way we do they haven't they don't have this need for um for warfare the way that we do maybe they have some unique method of communication that allows for more understanding they have a mouth noises well i mean i wouldn't say it's a need but it is it is prevalent throughout history so it seems to be a part of humans and it's it's arguable that we can move past it for sure and i i certainly hope we can obviously we can we can do it in small groups we can do it in cities we can do but war has existed as long as humans have existed so you would say if you were studying human beings objectively not idealistically not not looking

at things through rose-colored glasses you would say well this is what humans do it's one of the things they do you know if you were studying us as an animal if you were some species from another planet you'd say well they do shoot each other a lot. As a collective group, yes. Go to the individual level. And I think the opinion is totally different. You go to an individual and they don't want to kill other people. It's in human nature.

We don't want to kill other people. Right. But, I mean, just objectively, I mean, it's sort of like the way you look at sharks. You know, you look at sharks, you say, well, you know, they only kill five of us a year. You know, really, they're harmless. Well, they are kind of harmless until one of them fucking bites you you know and that's sort of the same way about people yes most of the time humans are wonderful most of times people are like you and i we have a drink we clink glasses we enjoy our company we have a great chat and that's most of the interactions you're ever going to have with people are great. Most times.

Like the vast majority of interactions you have, especially in America where there's plenty of food, you know, there's plenty of space and people are well taken care of. Yeah. Most of the time everything's going to be great. But when you tally up the numbers for 7 billion people and then the battle for natural resources and then religious ideologies come into play. And there's a lot of fucking killing going on constantly. I mean, so it's unavoidable. I mean, you could certainly make the argument that we can do better. But if you just wanted to look at us right now, just no ideology attached, just look at what a human being is. Human beings kill.

We're killing all over the place. We're killing each other all over the place. It's just happening right now as we're talking. There's people shooting people as bombs going off, you know, it's people killing themselves It's going on. So it's it is a part of human beings that we have we have come to accept but It doesn't necessarily mean that other life forms have this, you know, I mean there is Potentially possible ways to resources it any evolved life forms have this. You know, I mean, it is potentially possible. It's a huge waste of resources. It is. Any evolved alien that we ever encountered, I would say very unlikely that they would do warfare

because it's just such a waste of resources. How do you get to interstellar travel if you're spending all your money working out new ways to kill each other? It just, it doesn't work. Well, also, like, what's the benefit of it? Like, what is the benefit of it? The benefit of it is all personal. It's all, like, whatever's the benefit of it? Like, what is the benefit of it? The benefit of it is all personal.

It's all like whatever group gets to dominate the resources, whatever group gets to, you know, maybe their genetics pass on Genghis Khan style. Whereas the people that were dominated, they don't get to. I mean, it's all very primitive in a lot of ways. It's very animalistic. The bigger dick syndrome. Yeah, in some way. Yeah. Or it's just it's a genetic thing

Right, but if we get past that like one of the weirder things in UFO folklore is the idea of Genetic manipulation the idea that human beings have been created By watch the latest x-files did you know I did not I haven't seen the new x-files. Is it good? Is it on Fox is it on fox again um i don't even know what it's on i think yeah is it man i think it's great that they're doing it again i probably should watch it since i love the old one the reason i bring it up is because that's pretty much what the last two episodes is all about there's going on and on about that well that's a big theme in ufo folklore uh and also in zechariah sitchin's work who is do you know about that guy

once again heard of him don't think i've ever read anything he's a guy who was a biblical scholar and a linguist and he uh he knew a lot about ancient languages and he had a very controversial controversial, what he did is he went over the Sumerian text, the cuneiform, you know, those clay tablets with the weird lines, and what he came up with, and really he's like the only one out of all the other Sumerian scholars. He believes that the Anunnaki, which are depicted in these ancient Sumerian texts, he believed it was an ancient civilization of aliens that came down here and their planet is in an elliptical orbit that travels between Mars and Jupiter. Planet X. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which they now think there is a planet out there.

Beyond Pluto, yes. Yeah, they don't necessarily think it's Nibiru, which is what he called it and what they called it in the text. But his deciphering of the Sumerian text is hugely controversial. And there's a website actually called Sitchin is Wrong. And if you go to Sitchin is Wrong, think it's dot com might be dot org but if you go to sitch and is wrong they sort of highlight all the errors that they believe he made but it's so convoluted like you have to be some sort of a scholar to even understand the argument and you have to understand cuneiform that weird writing with the little lines and but the um some of the ancient clay tablets forget about understanding the language the ancient clay tablets, forget about understanding the language, the ancient clay tablets are fascinating.

I mean, they had an exact description of the solar system, a drawing of all the planets in the proper order with the proper sizes. And this is 6,000 years ago, including Pluto. Ancient cultures amaze me. And I think it's probably when I first started listening to you was the interview with Graham Hancock. He was just such a big fan. I read all his books. Love him to death.

And I remember reading his books back in the day, whatever it was, early 90s or something, and reading, yeah, and it just made sense to me that there is lots of ancient civilizations going way back. And the evidence is everywhere. You just have to open your eyes a little bit to it. And I love that back then in the 90s, it was pseudoscience. Today, it's like, yeah, of course.

Of course, there's lots of ancient civilizations. And we just need to find more and more. And I think one of the best ones is, did you ever hear about in Egypt? Because they uncover so little in Egypt. There's so much more there. You see the new stuff? Well, I saw that. Two days ago?

No, no no not the latest They believe they found nefertiti's tomb. Oh They found they found two hidden tombs In in Egypt then they believe they might have located where she's buried. You see that Jamie. I retweeted it like two days Maybe yes, I think what I find King's tomb. 90% chance of hidden chambers and they think it's Nefertiti's resting place. Fucking crazy. What I was getting at is that this researcher,

she took the data from satellites, ground penetrating radar. Oh, I saw it. Yeah. Do you see that documentary? Fascinating. And it just shows that the whole of Egypt is just covered in these tombs underground.

They're everywhere. And there's so much more information. The more research we do, we're going to find out there's ancient civilizations going way, way back. I mean, I don't know Egypt very well, never been, but in Australia in the Kimberley, there's these two types of artwork there.

There's this wanjana, which is from the Aboriginal people that live there and it's been going on for a couple thousand years. Then there's this other artwork called the brshaw or the Goyang Goyang. And we know it's over 30,000 years old, but really it could be a lot, lot further. So it's from a group of people who were in Australia before the Aboriginals. Whoa. And you look at some of these pictures and they're amazing, amazingly intricate.

And you can't even see the ochre anymore. There's no paint anymore. It's just the shadow of where the paint was. That's what you're actually viewing because it's amazingly intricate. And you can't even see the ochre anymore. There's no paint anymore. It's just the shadow of where the paint was. That's what you're actually viewing because it's so old. So they can't actually carbon date it. They just look at, say, a wasp nest grows on top of it, and then they carbon date that. So they go, okay, well, it's older than the wasp nest.

And so we're talking around about 30,000, probably a bit more. But some of this artwork is crazy, and I've never seen it personally, but there is one out there drawing, which basically has pictures of these, you know, the people who they have, the Goyangoyang Bradshaw people, these long, really skinny, long sort of people. And there's one with a UFO in it as well, and intricate drawings of all the animals that of research um and he a lot of his research still hasn't been released of where it all is and what's going on there is literally everywhere you walk up there there's this ancient ancient artwork it's crazy and it's from a culture that is very very old probably 30 to 50 000 in my opinion the data suggests over over 25 000 years ago that's so fascinating to me.

Just when you were talking about going through those canyons and it's 1.8 billion years old, just that amount of time, this sort of impossible to grasp distance in time, in our mind, we just can't. We just can't it's just we just can't and so that when you think about that like this insurmountable amount of time and then think about like just 30,000 years ago which is still insurmountable I mean we think of Oh 30,000 in comparison to 1.8 billion not that long ago but it's impossible you keep your mind is not going to get it it's a number it's like I have $30,000 like that you understand you make $30,000 you

understand $30,000 you don't understand 30,000 years it's just it's not going to getting in there at least my my comprehension for yeah you just can't comprehend it but the the Graham Hancock stuff combined with the Randall Carlson stuff is to me where it all sort of comes together because Randall Carlson offers an explanation for these civilizations being so advanced but yet essentially wiped out. Just rising sea levels can explain that. I mean so many people don't know that the sea level was about 150 meters lower than it is today. Yeah. And so all these civilizations, civilizations are always put on the coast.

So you're right on the coast, massive amount of people, and then suddenly 150 meters of water's there. There is so much that we still discover on our coast in 150 meters of water. There will be lots and lots of evidence down there, but it gets covered in silt within 1,000 years, and it's hard to find. Someday they're going to find Miami. They're going to find Miami and go, what the hell happened here? Jesus Christ.

There's bags of Coke and fake tits. They're just going to find like stilettos, Ferraris underwater. I like that as a thought experiment of go forward 10,000 years and be a geologist looking back at our little timeframe here, the Anthropocene or whatever you want to call it, where humans have been impacting the planet, like that layer of rock. What are you going to find in there? I find that interesting.

What do you think is going to be there? They're going to find those kettlebells behind you. The werewolf one. Yeah. What the fuck were these people doing? That's what they're going to find. Well, you're going to find only stone really,

essentially. I mean, have you ever seen that? There was a documentary that they did where they showed, like, what would happen within a thousand years if we just abandoned cities. Like, what would happen? How quickly they would be taken over. Life after people documentary series? I think that was it, yeah.

Great series. Amazing, right? Yeah. Well, there's some photos of Detroit. It's really interesting how nature is taking over buildings in Detroit. Like, trees are growing through the center of houses. And this is only within a few decades. The main source of like erosion in the Kimberleys

and stuff like that is plants. And so in the dry season, they grow into the cracks and stuff, their roots. And then in the wet season, they absorb all this water and their roots swell and exerts a pressure about, I think about 3000 PSI. It just literally just cracks it. And that happens to concrete.

If you're not constantly pulling out all those grass seeds and making sure stuff isn't growing around concrete, all our infrastructure will be crumbled and very little left just by plants. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. I pulled the, well, I didn't pull it. I had a problem with my toilet.

And I put this on Instagram. Find that toilet monster. So I had the guy come over, the plumber guy, and I was like, this just doesn't flush. I don't know what's going on. So he, you know, he's like a snake that has a camera on it, and they find that there was a crack in the pipe and that roots had gone through this small crack in the pipe, gotten inside the toilet pipe, and filled the entire pipe with the root system. I mean, it looked like an animal.

I mean, we're talking about something that was like four plus feet long, enormous. Look at it. Look at that up there. They pulled that out of my toilet. Isn't that insane? Yeah, but does it surprise people? It doesn't surprise me either now. But back then I was like, what the fuck?

There will be, I mean, that Life After People you watched, I think they get to 100 years and you barely recognize a city 100 years later. Yeah, there's some cool photos in Detroit. Look at that photo of this.

These houses that are just being taken over by trees. That's the center of a house. It's just trees grow in the middle of it. They burst through the foundation. They break through middle of it. They burst through the foundation. They break through the bottom floors. They go through the ceiling. They fill up. Look at that house.

Yeah. Well, this is something that we were talking about before we started the show. You were talking about being in Costa Rica and these people see like what you would call like phantom pyramids. People always want to – it's very beneficial to find ancient structures. So there's a few ancient structures throughout the world that are extremely controversial because people look at them and they go, well, no, that's a yardang. That's like essentially it's a structure that is just a natural structure that you're trying to attribute to a civilization. Well, there's enough ancient structures out there to be amazed. Let's just put that forth.

Like you don't need to find hundreds of them. The 20 or 30 that we have is amazing. Right, but we like finding them in our yard. Yeah, that's where I was. Chiripo, if you ever heard of that, that's where I went in Costa Rica. I was visiting my cousin down there. And amazing vibe. I've just got to put that out there.

Like when you're up in the mountains there i had a little cabina on the top of a ridge looking over this massive valley and the vibe and the like it's just phenomenal because the indigenous people there are still relatively in touch with the natural environment and there's large areas there where me as a gringo i can't go you know i can't go anywhere near it um only the um the indigenous people are there. And people look at satellite maps and they go, yeah, this is one massive pyramid, the largest pyramid in the world. I'm like, it could also just be a mountain as well. I'm all about evidence. Show me the evidence.

And I've got an open mind. I'm happy. Why do they think it's the largest pyramid in the world? Just by if you look at the satellite data and then draw it out, it would be the largest pyramid in the world. Right. But what makes them think that it's a pyramid? Shape and stuff like that. Yeah, I...

That's it right there? That's a fucking mountain, bitch. Is that Chiripo, though? Yeah, Chiripo Grande. Get out of here, son. That's ridiculous. Well, there's actually just behind Cairns where I live, there's a place called Walsh's Pyramid. And there is actually this little hill, mountain, whatever you want, that's in the shape of a pyramid perfectly.

And where is this? It's in Cairns called Walsh's Pyramid. People run up and down it all the time. There's a big fitness thing for it. It's, you know, and that's pretty much a pyramid, but it's just dirt. It's just natural formation. Oh, okay. So it's not a pyramid.

But that mountain not a pyramid. But that mountain is a mountain. It's like saying the earth is the biggest soccer ball in the world. I mean, it kind of is. If we were big enough to kick it around. Yeah, exactly. You know, but it's the earth. We found a huge ball.

It's 24,000 miles in a circle, and you're standing on it. As I said before the show, Costa Rica, there's some crazy people down there. Look, I've got an open mind. I'm willing to listen to people, but yeah, show me the evidence. There's a way that you can get when you party too much where your grasp on reality is like holding on to a dolphin with olive oil on your hands.

Interesting analogy. Just whoop! You just can't quite grasp it. And I've met a lot of people like that. A lot of people like that. Because of my reputation within, you know, quote unquote psychedelic community and my connections to marijuana and psychedelic drugs and all that stuff. I've met so many. Before I go negative negative amazing people i've met some really

fascinating open-minded people that have uh dennis mckenna lorenzo hagerty i've met some amazing people but i've also met some like some people that they've lost their ability to discern what might be possible versus what you're adding to all this stuff to make it more fantastic than it really is. And by doing so, you've entered into this sort of fantasy land and you've sort of negated all potential realistic interpretations of reality. When I meet people like that, and I do too, I always push them towards them saying, okay, so you've read these books now. Now go read a physics textbook and just get all your information and make your own opinions. Your own opinion.

Well, you're dealing with more high-level people. You're dealing with book readers. I'm dealing with YouTube watchers. Man, I would like to tune you into a YouTube video about reptilians. Don't be so quick to dismiss them, brother. They are amongst us. I'm very lucky that in my job, and I guess the brand National Geographic as well, it brings in people who are progressive nature lovers, generally rather intelligent. I have

dinner with these people. And that's probably one of the biggest perks for me is you meet people who are just fascinating. And you go, well, because they always attack you with questions. So you spend half the meal just answering questions like we're doing now kind of thing. And then eventually you turn around and you go, well, what do you do? And generally they're graduates of Harvard or MIT. And it's like, what do you do? Well, on the International Space Station, the little box that spins the solar panels. I invented that.

Even some, oh, I met, I think it was the older George Bush's, George H.W. Bush's lawyer had some very pernick questions for him. You just meet some really interesting people that are kind of unknown, I suppose, to a certain degree. And just hearing their opinions and their life story, it's fascinating. Old people are fascinating. Well, it seems like being involved in National Geographic would make kind of like a magnet for curiosity. Yeah. And curious people just come to you and go, ooh. As soon as you messaged me, I was like, ooh, this fucking guy's seen some shit.

Yep. Yeah, there's a lot of – I've worked on other ships that don't have the National Geographic brand. I've worked on other ships that don't have the National Geographic brand. And yeah, you still get 50% really cool, interesting people. But then you get a group of people who also aren't that interested in what's going on. And that's kind of our selling point is that we have all these experts on there. I mean, I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an expert. But we went to Easter Island a couple months ago. And we had the world expert on Easter Island on board the ship.

That was the guy that was living next door to me. That's the guy from your Instagram page? Yeah, yeah. Claudio. Yes. What's his last name? How do you pronounce it? Jamie.

Claudio Cristiano. Adam.Crop on Instagram. The photos of Easter Island to me. I am absolutely blown away by Easter Island and perplexed and fascinated, and I always try to understand. I'm like, why would someone spend so much time to make these statues? And where are they getting these stones from?

And they go deep, deep, deep into the ground. When you go deeper into the ground, you see that it's not just a head. There's a whole body and a full figure down there. No. What do you mean? that fake all those pictures where they dug into the ground you see like arms there's shoulders and stuff like that they're not uh well i suppose you could say that some of them do have bodies yes but most of the ones you see sticking out shit the most of them are like that just right most of them but that's what you see but under the the ground, isn't there more?

I mean, this is obviously a victim of erosion, right? These things have been eroded by time and wind and sand. These ones actually, they couldn't be bothered moving them. These are right at the quarry. This is where they've cut them out, on the side of the mountain. This group right here? Yeah.

And then they haven't been bothered, or whatever's happened, they haven't been bothered to move them. What a cute doggy. Who's doggy? Just a random dog came up and sat in my photos everywhere. Really? Yeah, I love it.

So it's like a wild dog? Yeah, yeah, just a wild dog. There's so many dogs on that island and they're all so friendly and lovely. And as soon as I see that, I know that's a good community. That's one of the things for me straight away. A good dog. Yeah. So, Jamie, see if you can find those photos of easter island where they uh they dig there's

some expeditions that they've done where they've dug out around the statues and dug deep down and you can see arms it's more than just a head well the one the photo that i had on the instagram there with claudia he's sitting next to a hole um see this thing goes all the way down you see his hands his arms that's a big one yeah That's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. But that's real, right? I personally didn't see that one. It's from the UCLA. But there is ones, what I was describing, where the one, picture I have of Claudio.

He's got a whole heap that got knocked over by a tsunami, and he's put them back up. And they're full ones with, they're basically standing up with their hands over their belly. Yeah, like that. And so you have the, with the top hat on top. What is that one on the upper left, Jamie, with the heads about, yeah, right there. What the hell is that? That's fake, right? That's fake.

Yeah. Yeah. They're like yoked. Don't get me wrong. It was the first question when I got there. The first question I was like, so is there bodies underneath them? First question. But, um.

They say no because they don't want to dig. They're like crazy gringos. There's all sorts of politics always, always with anything like this. Is there? Yeah, crazy politics. Is it hard when you go to these communities because you want to respect their cultures and their way, but you also want to kind of get to the bottom of these things

as much as you can in a brief amount of time? I suppose, how do I attack that one? I suppose when you get the expert on board, you know, and then you get to hear about all these sort of stuff. But I guess most people going through here wouldn't hear half the stuff that we learn about because you don't have that world expert sitting there. You've got, you know, just some random tour guide or something like that. Yeah.

So there's a lot to it. And I know with Claudio, he had epic battles with the Geltnant because he just wanted to restore it. It was just a big pile of them piled up, and he wanted to come in here with a crane, put them all back to how they were. And yeah, the amount of flack and backlash and trouble that he went through over, I think it was more than five years something to do it.

It's so unfortunate, but that happens in so many of these places where they want to sort of preserve the narrative. Like they have a narrative and they've been giving these speeches and they have this idea of a timeline, how everything was done. And when new evidence comes along, they're very, very reluctant to accept it. You find that a lot in Egypt. Well, I mean, here's a guy that wrote 20 papers about that particular narrative and you've just come over and said, actually, that's all wrong. Or there's a different aspect to it. Of course, they're going to get up. Or there's a different aspect to it. Of course they're going to get up and, yeah.

It's a lot of pushback. There's a course like that. What I found very interesting about Easter Island was the Birdman culture. Have you heard about that? Yes. Go into it, though, please. So you've got this culture with the statues and stuff,

and then that culture actually kind of not died out, but it definitely went out of favor. And then you had the Birdman culture come into it, and that was the last one to be there when Western civilization kind of turned up. And that was crazy. It was a competition every year where they would all swim out to another island down a steep cliff, a whole heap of them would die in the process, and try and get the first egg, basically, the first egg from the terns there, and then have to bring it all the way back. And the first one back with this egg was then the, I guess,

some sort of analogy would be Jesus, basically. But, you know, he's the God, basically. But his manner, his energy was then far too powerful for anyone to have any contact with him. So as winning his prize was, he would go live in a little hut by himself for the rest of the year. He wasn't allowed to cut his fingernails or hair or anything for a year. And then he can come back.

But his group, his tribe, would then be the leaders of the island. So basically all the different groups would, every year they would change over who's in control and that would keep everyone happy. So there wasn't one particular group that was in charge of everything. It varied based on who won the Birdman competition that year. How they came up with that, I have no idea. It's so bizarre.

There's so many weird styles of culture. Like the way people decide to run their stuff. Yeah. So strange. How the hell does that ever come about where everyone agrees? All right, the dude who gets the egg, you're Jesus. And you got to live by yourself. So it's like, I don't want to live by myself.

And he probably doesn't want to live by himself either. So it's like this bittersweet victory. Like, yeah, I'm Jesus, but now I can't even cut my fingernails. I got to live in a fucking hut by myself. Like what? But I'm full of so much manna. I guess. So much energy.

Yeah. Well, there's so many really uber bizarre cultural traditions all around the world. I'm sure you're aware of the semen warriors in New Guinea. Semen warriors. Now, I've traveled extensively through Papua New Guinea. You'll have to enlighten me. Oh, it's really awful. It's essentially a culture of child molestation where they take children from the time they're very young

and they move them away from their mother and they move into these bachelor groups. And they have these older men and these younger boys and they essentially tell these younger boys that the only way for them to grow up and be strong, and we're talking about a culture that has thousands and thousands younger boys, and they essentially tell these younger boys that the only way for them to grow up and be strong, and we're talking about a culture that has thousands and thousands of members, the only way for them to grow up and be strong is to ingest semen. So they have to ingest it orally and anally,

and it is an ancient tradition of these semen warriors in New Guinea, and they've grown up being molested and then molesting new children as they come up. And it's homosexual molestation. That's very messed up. Yeah, I mean, this is documented. This is not like something I'm making up. There's some crazy stuff in Papua New Guinea.

I mean, I spend a lot of time in Asman region, which actually isn't in Papua New Guinea. It's Indonesia, but let's not go there. You see anything about that, Jamie? Yeah, I found something on Wikipedia called the Tor the toro tribe it's really dark man yes yeah they think it extends their life homosexual sex prolongs life and heterosexual relations are focused towards reproduction yeah and it also it makes the young strong. They think the only way for them to grow and become strong is by ingesting semen. We're talking only 20 years ago in the Asmat region.

They were headhunters. They were cannibals. And to say, oh, there's no cannibalism anymore is kind of a bit of a lie as well. There's still cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. They're still eating each other. It's not out front row center. They keep it offline. Yeah, basically.

They keep it off of Twitter. Not on YouTube. But yeah, there's some crazy stuff going on there, especially in the Asmat region. I spent quite a bit of time there. And what I find interesting is you've got this culture as old as the Aboriginals in Australia. We're talking 60,000 years old more.

Very old culture living in perfect harmony with nature in the mangroves there. And they're not even stone people. They're just wood people. They don't even have anything. And then now you have, it's an Indonesian province and you have a lot of moss being built and a lot of stuff that's kind of creeping in, Western civilization is creeping in. And the most disgusting thing I saw is that they've always gone down to the market and they've bought some food and it's wrapped in a banana leaf. They eat the food and they throw the banana leaf off the boardwalk into the water.

Now the mercantile empire is now in there. There's lots of other people, Chinese, Javanese, coming in and being merchants and they sell everything in plastic single-use packets. And so the same thing, there's no garbage bins. There's nothing around. They open it. They eat the food. They throw the plastic over. There is a meter and a half to two meters of just piles of plastic everywhere, absolutely everywhere, because they don't have any ability.

They've got no education on it. They've got no garbage collection. And it's bloody disgusting. It's crazy that you go to a beach, say, in Australia, and you'll see one or two bits of plastic. You're like, oh, this is terrible, and you pick it up. You go there, and you're like, I need like 50 dump trucks to even get a start on this.

The plastic problem in the ocean is huge, and it's not until you kind of go through Indonesia, even the Maldives, Seychelles, so much plastic everywhere, and it's like a meter high in places. I heard the Maldives is one of the primary groups of islands that are at risk of global warming, of being eradicated. The highest point on the capital in the Maldives is two meters high. Whoa. Yeah.

When the tsunami in 2004 came, it went over the entire island I think it was only a little tiny patch that didn't have seawater go over it, it's crazy I've got a picture on the Instagram, it was one of the first pictures ever put up there, of the capital and you'll see it's something like 250,000 people in a tiny little island and it's

shocking, like, their sewerage just pumps straight out, there's another island next to it, that's the garbage island where they just take all the garbage and burn it, so it's just pumps straight out. There's another island next to it that's the garbage island where they just take all the garbage and burn it. So it's just this constant massive fire on the nearest island where they just burn garbage. It's an environmental catastrophe that won't be there. That's the Maldives?

Yeah. Oh, my God. But this is Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, like everywhere. Oh, my God. That this is Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, like everywhere. Oh my God. That picture is so disturbing. That first picture, Jamie, go back to that first one that you posted. Oh my God. Yeah.

That is God damned insane. We'd go there on these tours and we would actually spend the first hour before the guests come over just cleaning up plastic. And then the first guest to come over would generally help us clean plastics. We would take back 10, 20 bags of garbage just so you could walk along a little bit of the beach and not have plastic everywhere. Oh, my God, that's horrible. Wow.

When you see the sheer numbers... Jamie, what was your Google search so people could check out these images that are listening to this? It's a plastic island. That's so horrific. The entire island is just covered with shit and plastic.

Yep. Wow, people are so gross. And they're just burning it. That's the only way they can do anything about it. They just burn it. And that's only 250,000 people, right? Well, that's the Capitol. Look at that. Oh, my God.

Jamie, on my Instagram, I think it's one of the first images I have. Look at that photo of the Capitol. Yeah, I was cruising past, and I took a picture with a drone at sunset. It's a great picture. I quite like it. But you just see the amount of people packed into this tiny little space and they've just got yeah they've got no means to recycle do anything about it it's and it's probably got a couple of decades and then it'll be all those people have

to go somewhere else you know i always feel like that when i fly over honolulu like honolulu is like so strange because the hawaii you know oahu I guess it is, has a million people on it. And it's not that big, man. It's not that big at all. Is that it right there? You flew over and took that top photo? I think Jamie's still trying to find it. I think I've actually got it.

Is it not scrolling or something? For some reason, his Instagram page isn't letting me see past his last 10 pictures I have to do. There you go. It's up on the screen now on mine. Do you want to bring that up? There you go. Oh, wow. Oh, my God.

That's insane. It's insane, isn't it? How do people think this is sustainable? Let's just build a massive city on a tiny little island. With no food. With no food. Everything's imported. They had a water crisis.

I think it was last year. They had to import all their water. This is on your Instagram that people could see this? Yeah, there's a shot on the Instagram. It's one of the first pictures I put up. That's chaotic. It seems like one of the worst engineered civilizations ever. So there's no...

And what we're looking at, folks, for the people that are just listening to this, which is most of the people, we're looking at a small island, not very very big because you can see the entire thing. And it's filled with buildings. There's nothing but buildings. It doesn't look like there's any parks in there. I mean, there's like a few patches of green, like very small. But most of it is just stacked buildings. Yeah. I mean, it brings, whenever I look look at this I just think of suburbia the same thing like we all live in these

little patches of land that if we wanted to grow our own food we couldn't support ourselves we couldn't support anything well this is an argument for the asshole that used to run Australia right the guy had it right yeah don't let everybody come and ruin your beautiful party you You guys have a beautiful party. You have a continental United States with as many people as Los Angeles. Yep. But you have some spots where you can't really live, right? That's what I mean.

The whole interior is... Death. Poisonous snakes. Look, it's livable. People have massive ranches out there. Well, China owns massive ranches out there. China does? That's a good one to bring up, Jamie.

There's a map of Australia and Chinese ownership. It's crazy. It's crazy. What happened? We've sold huge farms, these massive, massive farms in the center of Australia to China over the last five years or so. What are the farms growing? Cattle, whatever. Mainly it's kind of livestock.

Cattle, whatever. Mainly it's kind of livestock. And are these Chinese folks taking these cattle and importing the beef in China? Yeah, most of it will go straight to China, basically. Wow. So they just decided to buy some land and grow some cows in a new spot. Well, we were already growing cows there, but yeah, they just bought them and then export them to China. But just the sheer area is what's crazy. them to China. But just the sheer area is what's crazy.

I'm looking for pictures of the thing, but this is a, it blocked the size of an Ohio sized ranch. That's just the latest one. They blocked the sale of a massive private cattle ranch to foreign buyers saying it was contrary to the national interest. Well, I mean, look, on one hand you'd say, like, hey, that's xenophobic and it's awful and why would you do that? But if you want to keep it the way it is, there's really no other way, right? I just think, you know, at the moment, we as Australian people, we don't get any real benefit from that. We don't – the profits go overseas or the product produce goes overseas we're not really seeing any benefit for it and that's

you know if we if we didn't sell it if we leased it completely agree yeah at least that stuff whatever you know but we should the australian people should retain ownership of that because i mean if ever do find the map it's of course the colors in red to make it scary but it's a lot of australia a billionaire buys 47 million dollars worth of australian cattle ranches to feed china's hunger for beef wow china's nuts what a crazy place it's uh it's interesting definitely yeah place well it's it's it's i mean again the different styles of culture that we find the different styles of the way human beings exist and coexist on this planet it's one of the weirder aspects of traveling that you you see that what's normal to these people oh it's different every

country everywhere it's great um and they accept it it It's like, this is our normal. What I like about China is that when it makes a decision on something, it's looking 40 years in the future because it's by committee. When we in Australia or the States, we make a decision, it's based on the election cycle. It's based in what can we get in four years' time. And that's where I think China will actually leapfrog a lot of Western society because what they're doing now is thinking about for in 40 years time so they're building big infrastructure before it's even required where we in the western world seem to just have crumbling infrastructure yeah yeah we seem to be looking like four years we look like election cycles your election is crazy like in your election goes on for like two years. In Australia, they go, we're going to have an election

in 30 days time. They go back and forth for 30 days, we have an election. 30 days? That's it. Problem solved. We had to stare at the people for a while. Chip away at their armor. Try to find out what the fuck makes them tick. Campaigning for like two years? I mean, that's just, yeah. It's messed up.

It is messed up. Well, it's also nobody really that you would want to be president wants to be president you know ideally you would want some why is that though well because they dig into your personal life too much man they they start fucking with your family start fucking with your finances and fucking with they start interviewing people you went to high school with and trying to chip away at any one possible moral issue you may or may not have had that they can blow up and stick in your face. And you're down to these like, you get like egomaniacs like Trump or massively religious people like Ted Cruz or Ben Carson. It's just, and I don't understand Marco Rubio.

He's an odd one. And then you get Hillary Clinton, who is essentially a lifelong politician who has been so deeply embedded into the system that she has a massively low trust rate. Like the trust, it's like 37% of people trust her. This is crazy. I mean, that's crazy. 63% are like, no fucking way. The vast majority, you know, the obvious majority at least are, they're like, I don't trust her at all. And then they, you know, they have to figure out what to do. So will we ever see Joe Rogan for president? honestly believe, is that the idea is massively archaic. And I think the idea of having this one alpha primate that runs the tribe was fine if there's a hundred people. But the idea of 300 million people being run by this one figurehead is nuts. It doesn't work anymore. It's stupid. What we should have is the president should be like the queen of England. Some goofball gets

out in a fucking bulletproof Popemobile and drives around in waves. No one gives a shit. But she doesn't really dictate policy. And I think the real president should be the internet. I really believe firmly that with education and with access to information that we're all enjoying right now, that maybe not now because we're in this sort of tumultuous,

turmoil-filled adolescent period, but I think that as we get more and more deeply embedded in the idea of exchanging information, I think we're going to be able to read each other's minds. We're going to be able to tap into instantaneous information directly to our mind. And we're going to realize that The only way this is all going to work out is if we don't allow anyone to abuse the environment For the sake of profit that we don't allow anyone to take life for the sake of profit that we don't allow anyone to lie to us about their motives for invading countries or for dictating certain policy and especially for influencing other countries for the reason of profit.

We've got to stop that. We've got to figure out a way to stop that. And the only way to stop that is full disclosure amongst our leaders. Transparency. Massive transparency. And I think that's going to happen in a natural way because I think it's going to be unavoidable I think in the future like what you're seeing now I think one of the reasons why you're seeing this poor group of people running for president is because they're

really rich and influential people that maybe would have run for president 20 or 30 years ago are like fuck that job because it's just too invasive and not only that once you become president you have to have secret service live with you for the rest of your life. I mean, you're constantly on guard. Everywhere you go, people hate you. I mean, it's a crazy, nutty job. It's a nutty job. It's almost like you want it just because it's like this thing to achieve.

But if you look at it on paper, it's not like you're independently wealthy once you get in you really make you make very good money for the average person you make like I think it's like 450 or $500,000 a year you know you certainly a good living but that's that's not like it's not worth it it's not worth it they but they make money in the speeches that's what they're really that's also the really weird thing. You find out how much Bill Clinton makes giving speeches now. It's almost like they bribe you for what your policies were in office. It's sort of like this sort of unwritten rule. Like, do

the right thing when you're in, and then when you're out, we'll have you come by, you'll talk. You can be CEO of this company and do this, that, the other. Have you seen the Democratic debates between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton where he asks her for the transcripts? Oh, good for you. You're probably living better. And he too.

What is this? The $153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees. Mrs. Clinton was paid dearly by Wall Street suggesting a conflict of interest despite a recent distancing no matter how much mrs clinton hopes to lure bernie sanders uh voters it must be hard at 220 000 25 000 a pop that's how much she gets paid for a speech and he was like this must have been an amazing speech i'd like to see the transcripts of the speech.

She ain't budging. She's not releasing those. I got in a bit of trouble for saying this about a year ago. But I honestly think the whole Trump candidacy is a conspiracy theory to make Hillary win. Because you have someone so crazy on that side that people go, all right, okay, yeah, we've had our fun, but time to get serious. And they go for Hillary because it's the better option of the two. Man, I don't know. Where I don't fully agree with that, to tell you the truth. I don't think Hillary is the better option.

I wonder. You know, I wonder. But I've got a story for you, Joe. Okay. On that trip to Easter Island, so we went from Tahiti to Easter Island, okay, over about two weeks or so. And we had a gentleman on board who was kind of my political hero. His name was Bob Brown, Australian senator, leader of the Green Party. And so when I was growing up, you would have your talking heads,

some topic coming on, and you'd have basically the Republican and the Democrat, we call them liberals in labor, whatever. And it would be stupid comment, stupid comment. And then you'd have this third one, the Greens guy, he would come on and then just say something that actually made sense. And so the whole time growing up, he was a bit of a political hero of mine, nothing worship or anything like that. But I went, you know, out of all the politicians, this guy's at least got his head screwed on and is environmentally improgressive and stuff like that. Environmentally conscious. So he was on board as one of our guest lecturers kind of thing.

And he did lots of talks, fascinating, fascinating guy. And I remember I did my climate change talk. And so he came up to me afterwards and I hadn't had a long conversation with him. And so I went to, you know, start going, oh, big fan, yada, yada. And he turned around and went, you, Adam, you need to be in politics. You need to be a senator for the Greens in Australia. And he pushed it big time. Bishop, you've got to do this.

You've got to do this. We need younger people like you to do this. And I must admit, I thought about it because I want to not change the world, but I want to do something to make this earth slightly better than what I arrived. And that's a way to do it, for sure. The thing that keeps me back from doing it is I would have to put up with politicians all day. Right. Who would want to put up with politicians all day?

That's what a miserable bunch of people. And I don't know about, I haven't watched much C-SPAN of Congress and stuff over here, but our parliament, they just sit there bitching at each other continuously. That's all they do. It's like the English parliament you ever seen? Mm-hmm. Where they're just abusing each other basically and yelling, calling each other names all the time. When they have a vote and they know the vote's not going to go their way, you have to have like 60% of the people there to make the vote count. They all run

for the doors and try and get out before they lock the doors so that there's not enough people there to actually make it pass. They just act like little school children. They run? They run. Our prime minister, sprinting because they go, the doors are going to be locked in two minutes. And he's sprinting out of his seat

to get out that door because if he gets out that door, then he doesn't vote and there's not enough votes and then it doesn't go through. It's just like, we're paying these people to represent us and they're just acting like little children.

What a goofy law. Why would you want to surround yourself? Imagine waking up every day and surrounding yourself with that. I think we'd be way better off if individual human beings across the board, like the giant

mass of us, if we all everyone adult had a say instead of an elected government, a representative government, if we all had a say we'd have to convince. Democracy 2.0. Exactly. That's a great way of pointing it.

I think the representative government was a great idea back in the day when it was impossible to communicate with people. Yeah, we don't need it anymore. We don't need it anymore. We don't need it anymore. Democracy 2.0. There was a German party. They tried to do it.

And they were quite successful. They didn't get elected into power, so they couldn't do it. But their idea was Democracy 2.0. We just make a website, and you've got whatever issue we're voting on, everyone can vote. And where I think they went wrong, because this is something I've thought about quite considerably, is where they went wrong is they're trying to change the whole system. So they're going, we're going to come in, we're going to change the whole system. And people freak out. Of course. They get scared.

So I thought, hang on, is there a way to achieve the same goal, but through the non-profit angle, you know, instead of trying to change the whole thing. And so it's something I started on, I started working on, and it's been put to the sidelines because I travel the world and I'm busy, you know, but earthvote.network, where you had a place where you could go and vote like a petition, but it's that one question that you answer stays on forever. And so then, because in Australia all the time, you pick up a Murdoch newspaper and it'll say, 94% of Australians think this.

And then you read down the bottom, out of a survey of 500 people ringing landlines in one suburb in Sydney, I'm like, that's not a representation of what's going on. Imagine if I could turn around and go, here's half a million people and here's the percentage of what they think. Then you're getting a more accurate representation of what's going on. Imagine if I could turn around and go, here's half a million people and here's the percentage of what they think. Then you're getting a more accurate representation of what's going on. I think there's room for a website like that. And obviously I've kind of given up on doing it myself. Hence why I'm mentioning it right now. Hopefully someone else takes it up. But there's huge potential in taking clicktivism, which we currently see on

Facebook and everything. Everyone's happy to click on a link and spread the good word about some environmental concern, but actually do something they're not so willing to do. If you collate all that clicktivism into one spot and then you have data coming out of it, it actually becomes useful. It actually can be used where you can go to a politician and say, hey, 80% of your electorate think this, so you'll represent them. Go do it. And you've got some way. And then the other aspect to it is to then actually do a kind of vote,

not voting, keep a system of the politicians. So say 80% of Australia thinks this, thinks A, and then the politician votes for a bill that's against that, then you give them a minus one point. They vote for it, you give them a plus one point. And so eventually, you would work out basically which politicians are accurately representing their constituents and which ones are not. And that's what we don't have. How do you know that this guy that you're voting for has been representing the constituents? You don't really know. You've got to go back and look through 10 years of newspaper articles and try and deduce it. Imagine if you could formulate that into a

website. It'd be a pretty powerful thing. It'd be a very powerful thing. I think that's the future. I think the future, as we're saying, as we get more access to the way people are influenced, and we understand where the money is actually coming from, which is way more today than has ever been in the past. 30, 40 years ago, it was really difficult to find out what was motivating certain presidents or people that were candidates. And you only got to see what they were projecting in front of the television. That's why debates were important. You get to see the way they spoke in debates, try to decipher and peel through it.

But we never had the kind of transparency that we have today. If you want to know what's really going on with a politician, get him on the Joe Rogan podcast. A politician for three hours, they can't bullshit for that long. At some point, you would get under them, and you would find out what's actually going on. I would have to do a lot of research, though. I couldn't just have him on like you and just go,

let's talk, man. I would have to go deep. But yeah, if you could get someone to talk for long periods of time, uncensored like that, without commercial breaks, without moderators, then you're going to get to see him. These debates that they have are so ridiculous. One person says something ridiculous to see Bernie Sanders raising his hand when he disagrees, waiting to have his turn. And then she's talking over and then he talks over and you're running out of time. Let me finish my point and he goes oh it's like the the method of distributing information is archaic it's not necessary anymore you know they should they should have some sort of a free form

free form conversation that's available online where people can watch it and you know you have someone who's entertaining that understands politics run them through it and, you know, you have someone who is entertaining, that understands politics, run them through it, and just give some sort of a real detailed view to the American people of who these people are and what they're about. But I think they're, the people that are today, even Bernie Sanders, who's, you know, really revolutionary in a lot of ways and very progressive in a lot of ways, he's still a politician. He's still wearing a tie and a suit and all that nonsense. And he's still a part of this weird system. And he always has been, even though he's a rebel in a lot of ways.

But I think they're going to be like those people that are wearing powdered wigs in those ancient pictures. It's like it's so old. It's so crazy. Like this method of doing it. Like you have to do it this way. Our lawyers in Australia still wear those wigs. Do they really? Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy. What? Yeah. When you do, it's magistrate? No. So if you go to court, you have to wear a wig? The lawyer in certain courts.

So let's say if you got in trouble for something. No, no, no. The defendant doesn't have to wear one. No, no, no. The defendant doesn't have to win. No, no, no. Not you. But I'm saying your lawyer. What the fuck am I looking at, Jamie? That's a barrister, I think it is.

Yeah. Okay. So, boy, you guys got to get on the fucking ball. You guys are crazy. So. Sorry to interject, but I just. So if you get in trouble, if you did something, if you got accused of something and and you hired a lawyer your lawyer would have to wear a wacky wig like that yes wow in answer in certain courts what courts oh now you're stretching my memory on it um a lot of them i think it's

it's not a magistrate a barrister um yeah Yeah, something like that. Good Lord. Definitely New South Wales and some of them. Yeah. Actually, I went to court for the first time last year. First time. For what? I got charged with being a terrorist. You did? Yeah.

For something environmental, I would imagine? No. What'd you do? I went through airport security with a pocket knife by accident. Oh my God. Yeah. In Australia, we're a bit of a nanny state at the moment. We've brought in a lot of laws that just are ridiculous.

And so it used to be you go through airport security with your Swiss Army knife. They take it off you and they go, and away you go. That's it. They changed the law two weeks before I went through. And it was just a random mistake. I had a pocket knife with the camera gear. I had to rearrange my bag because I was overweight. And I put it in my carry-on by mistake.

I didn't realize there was a pocket knife there. It's a simple mistake. We do it all the time. People do it all the time. And yeah, so they got it. And I was like, oh, crap, because it's a good knife. I was like, oh, well, yeah, whatever. I'm late for my flight. And then it's a good knife. I was like, oh, well, yeah, whatever. I'm late for my flight, and then I went to walk away, and they went, oh, hang on, hang on.

The Australian Federal Police need to speak to you. Oh, my God. What do you mean? So the police came over, and they were trying to give me off on a caution. They were ringing their superior and trying to give me a caution, because they could see clear as day that it's just a stupid mistake. And their supervisor said, no, no, the law has changed. They have to go to court now.

and their supervisor said no no that's the law has changed they have to go to court now and so i was charged with possession of a deadly weapon basically with intent to hijack an aircraft um oh my god and it cost me thousands of dollars because it wasn't the airport i got done at was uh about 2 000 kilometers away from where i live so i had to travel back there and then i had to get a lawyer which was was just hilarious. I paid a guy a thousand dollars. He didn't even show up. He sent someone else, gave me a call half an hour beforehand. Um, yeah, everything was just like, and so I was, I knew more about the law than he did, but anyway, and so, but then the substitute lawyer. Yeah. Oh God. I knew more about the actual legislation I was getting charged on. Basically I got, the legislation has no difference between a bazooka and a pocketknife.

They're the same thing. AK-47 and that, it's the same thing in the minds of the law. Could you kill somebody with it? If so, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. If I tried to get through airport security with a bazooka, I'd be under the same legislation and under the same thing. And so I got off lightly instead of getting years in jail because, obviously, first offence, no prior record, all that sort of stuff. I got, there's a fancy word for it. I want to say indentured servitude, but that's not it. It's like a good behaviour bond. So I got, for

the next year, as long as you don't break any more laws, then that conviction will disappear, basically. Wow. But yeah, I went to court charged with being a terrorist for a bloody pocket knife. And that's when, I must admit, after that, I was starting to think, I don't really want to live in Australia anymore because it's just gotten a bit too crazy. Do you think that's the same sort of momentum that's behind getting rid of the immigrants and shipping them off to new places and putting people in jail for reporting on it? We have stuff like your Patriot Act, where they bring in a law that does all this sort of stuff, and they don't debate it. It just goes instantly through. And no one even reads the law of what's going through. And we had this whole, it was so staged, it was so easily, you could see it was staged, where they had, we've arrested 20 terrorists in Sydney. Now, they actually had to let them all go, because they didn't have anything on anything but they filmed it and it was on national news of them raiding all these places and then immediately brought in a week later new laws and that no one debated no one even read and brought them in and one of those laws were yeah you take a pocket knife through airport security you have to go to court to defend yourself that's such a stupid law i mean the united states laws which are pretty strict or nothing like that i

went through security accidentally with a pocket knife they just took it that's what everyone does this but i i just spend you know three thousand four thousand dollars of my own money and try and work this out that way and now to this day whenever i travel um my bags if i have a short um short transit um my bags won't make it because they get searched at every single airport i go on the list god i just spent three weeks in antarctica with no luggage um it never never arrived oh christ because it went through extra security and and then didn't arrive for a couple of days and i was already down in antarctica just because of a pocket knife just because of a pocket knife yeah in america i i went through it in denver uh i had a backpack and the backpack in one of the small pockets had a very small knife in it. And they sent me through secondary screening.

It was, I think you got a pocket knife in your backpack. I go, ah, sorry. And the guy took it, and that was it? Yeah. Take it easy. Okay, bye. Done. That's what it's always been like, but they changed the law.

That's so crazy. That doesn't make any sense at all. It's just, oh, it's a waste of my money. It's a waste of the court's money. But do you think they're doing it to try to make more money by making more court cases? Well, I had to pay the court costs. Yeah. I mean, obviously, but I just think it's law upon laws. And in Australia, we are shocking at laws upon laws and laws. No one speeds in australia i i drove down from san francisco yesterday and it was ludicrous how fast people were driving like above the speed limit because the speed that they were driving like 40k's over the speed limit or something that in

australia is you lose your license instantly you don't have a license for the next year so really yeah so no one speeds like that for a year year? Yep. Oh, God. So, yeah, but that's because we just have so many laws. We just have so many different laws in that respect. That's disturbing. But that's not what I wanted to talk to you about, man. Bumming me out about Australia. I was thinking about moving to Australia. I'm like, maybe that's the spot.

I've heard that a lot from Americans since Trump. Trump's doing his thing. No, it's not because of that. I just think, I just like it. I mean, I wouldn't really move there. But like if the shit hit the fan, someone blew up Manhattan or something like that, I'd be like, ooh, time to jolt.

Or bolt, whatever, whatever it is. That's an interesting one. Where I was for 9-11. Where were you? I was up in the very northern reaches of Australia, in the middle of nowhere. So far away that you couldn't get any signal for anything but one of the people on board had a shortwave radio like a ham radio and so i learned of 9-11 via radio and it was like war of the worlds man it

sounded like the whole world was was going to shine and uh but we were on a boat in the middle of nowhere and we did kind of just all look at each other and go well we got two or three months worth supply of food here we can stretch that out with fishing and we're in the middle of nowhere we can go sit up that creek over there and yeah we were kind of pretty bug out it wasn't until about two months later that actually got back and saw the images of what happened but it sounded like war of the worlds when i when you listen to that sort of event over a radio it was scary that's a weird way to get information too so so like retro you know to get information about some sort of a gigantic catastrophe or calamity horrendous event like 9-11 to get it off a radio

like just it sounded like world war three that radio. It sounded like World War III. That's what it sounded like, from the radio at least. Yeah. Well, it looked like World War III on TV that day too, though, in all fairness. I remember watching it on TV and went with a bunch of my friends because there was no flights. I had some gigs planned. I couldn't go. I was actually supposed to be in Manhattan that week. Lucky. Yeah. I was supposed to fly to Manhattan the week after September 11th and all

flights were canceled. And I remember hanging out with some friends in LA. Everybody was bugging out like, what is going to happen? And then we were aware because of the news that there was no flights. And it was just- Beautiful clear skies. It was strange. Strange how you look up. Like there's no airplanes. Just nothing. You don't hear them. You look up.

You don't see any. I think it was some of the clearest skies ever recorded over the USA. Yeah, well, not only that, the temperature lowered. It changed the temperature of the earth or maybe raised. I forget one of them. If it had less water vapor it would have lowered yeah it would go a little bit cooler is that what it is yeah because one of the things happened well either raised or lowered depending upon the there's also the

water vapor could uh protect the atmosphere in a lot because it's like cloud cover you know when you get contrails i don't know which one it was but it was like a noticeable amount that it changed the amount of co2 and airplanes pumping out is nothing too serious. It's practically actually one of the most efficient forms of transport you can have per person. But where it's injecting that CO2 and that water vapor up in the high atmosphere, yeah, it's doing some damage. It is. Oh, yeah.

Not as much as I think we give it credit for. Well, the other thing is people that live near airports suffer some – what is that, Jamie? What did you just put up? It got hotter, actually. Yeah, it did get hotter. Two degrees hotter. Yeah, that's what I was thinking because I think it's the lack of – because those contrails that are created, the artificial clouds that are created by jet engines naturally stirring up the humidity in the atmosphere.

Maybe they're reflecting back solar radiation. That's where all the chemtrail craziness comes from. The geoengineering people, they believe that that is actually done on purpose. What we're doing is we're making artificial clouds to try to control the environment.

Well, it's not true. We know why those things are made there may it's a natural formation that happens when you have a jet engine passes through condensation it creates contrails not chemtrails i always try and point that one out to people it's a there's a guy named mick west who runs this uh website called metabunk and just sort of debunks a lot of like really commonly held ideas that conspiracy theorists tend to grab onto. But he calls it the training wheels of conspiracy theories because it's like in the sky above your head.

Like, what is that? And you're like, we got to get to the bottom of this. And that's sort of where instead of like researching what actually happens with jet engines and condensation. And then people say, well, how come one day there'll be no contrails and another day there'll be a lot? Well, how come one day it rains and another day it doesn't rain? Temperature, really. Well, it's condensation. It's the amount of moisture in the atmosphere.

It's whatever. This is a different subject. I wanted to talk to you about some other shit that you had on your... You had a neurological decompression illness from... So you're trying to go happy here, but this is actually getting sad. Well, this is scary. Yeah, it's a messed up story. I was hoping you were going to do another one first. Oh, really?

Yeah, it's all right. We can do that. We don't have to. No, I want to tell you, it's just, it's a depressing, depressing topic. What happened? So scuba diving. I've been scuba diving since I was like 12 years old. 13,000 dives.

I spend a lot of time underwater. Whoa. And so one might say it's inevitable. I don't know. But so I was diving. Nothing too serious, you know, shallow dive. It was a bit of a current. I was swimming into a bit of a current.

Maybe slightly dehydrated. Who knows? But yeah, I got messed up. Now, I've been diving for nine days prior to that, four dives a day. So I'd had some residual nitrogen. I've got bubbles in my blood, basically. And then doing this Now, I've been diving for nine days prior to that, four dives a day. So I'd had some residual nitrogen. I've got bubbles in my blood, basically. And then doing this one, I guess, a little bit of exertion underwater and stuff like that.

Yeah, I got messed up. So when I came out of the water, you have bad headache and stuff like that. And then eventually, I was looking down at my hands, and my hands had gone into fists, and I couldn't open my hands anymore and that to me was the the big thing straight away I was like whoa I've never had that before where I didn't have control of my body you know and so my hands were all classed so I ran upstairs to my bunk told the first mate you know get the oxygen and stuff like that I've got something's going wrong here and then when I laid down in my bunk i just severe pain going over the whole entire body

arms and hands both totally paralyzed couldn't move them um enormous enormous amount of pain box jellyfish pain or uh no childbirth pain no no nothing near that i think more just scary pain because you just don't know what's going on. You know, you just don't know. Your whole body is just suddenly doing stuff that it's never done before. And so I went on oxygen and ended up passing out actually after a few, maybe half an hour or so. Ended up passing out. And then woke up and I was just really dopey and doughy and stuff. And long story short, for various reasons, I didn't actually get treatment for

about six days. It was a very remote area and there's all this stuff there. And then I spent nine days in a chamber, a decompression chamber, basically, to try and repair what had gone wrong because I had nerve damage in the hands and feet, spine and brain. So I had quite some significant brain damage. The spine damage, the spine causes a lot of fatigue and things like that. And then the hands and feet is just pain basically. Yeah. And that happened in 2012. I got messed up. I got messed up. So brain damage, like what kind of brain damage? Literally brain damage.

So what's going on in my body is lots of little tiny bubbles basically are all in my nerves, bloodstream, everywhere, and they cause inflammation and they kill stuff. I had a lot of muscle atrophy. I had a lot of muscles just die on me because their blood supply had been blocked by these little bubbles going around. And do you see like a difference in your body? Does it like turn black and blue or does it just shrink? Like what? You lose all your muscle mass. Just shrivels.

Yeah. You lose your muscle mass. Does it change the appearance of the skin? Like does it? No. Do you see like yellowing where it's rotting underneath it or anything? Nothing like that. I had to learn how to walk again. I could barely walk.

And I had to learn vocabulary was a hard one. I used to have a really good vocabulary and not so much anymore. I killed a lot of brain cells, man. Wow.

I killed a lot of brain cells. So you feel stupider? I can actually get some not evidence. That's a rude way of putting it. I had an IQ.

I tested my IQ beforehand And I was about at 150, 160 mark Wow for real? Yeah And now I'm about 120 So you're still a fucking genius I wouldn't go that far

But I dropped I dropped some IQ points Wow well you used to be a genius For sure Yeah I had like a photographic memory 150, 160 is definitely genius I thought too much, basically. Maybe it's better for you to be a little stupider.

Well, I enjoy bad movies now. There you go. Yeah. Like Adam Sandler movies or like what? Yeah. Reese Witherspoon movies? Any movie that's predictable where before I'd be like, I know what's going to happen. Legally Blonde?

Do you watch that over and over again? You name any of these movies and that's it. I appreciate bad movies. There's always a positive side to everything, you know? I appreciate bad movies. There's always a positive side to everything, you know? So it actually made you significantly less intelligent and you can consume pop culture now? Yeah, basically.

Do you enjoy reality shows now? No. Housewives of Beverly Hills? Housewives? My TV at home isn't actually connected to an area a little. Oh, you're one of those guys. I don't like advertising. I think advertising is evil. So you use like Netflix or something like that? Yeah. Well, that's smart. That's the future anyway, right? Yeah, for sure. You're one of those guys. Yeah. I don't like advertising. I think advertising is evil. So you use like Netflix or something like that?

Yeah. Well, that's smart. That's the future anyway, right? Yeah, for sure. You're ahead of the ball. Anything good is on iTunes already. Mostly good shows, Walking Dead or Game of Thrones or anything like that. You can always find them.

Well, I want to choose my own schedule as well. I don't want to be, oh, Wednesday night I have to stay in because I want to watch that one show. My kids don't know what commercials are really they don't understand it like and most of the time we watch shows with them we watch it on DVR and you can fast forward through commercials but occasionally we'll watch like one of their favorite shows and it'll come on and they'll watch it while it's on and then the show will be on and then it'll go to commercial and they reach for the remote and it's like it's not letting them fast forward and like what is going on here like why do we have to watch this i'm like

well that's a commercial that's a that's how it normally is yeah welcome to what we had to deal with but the look on their little faces when you see a little look on like a five or six year old's face you're like what the fuck you have i have to watch this stupid thing and they're watching these commercials like like puzzled. Like who? Like even a child realizes this is a dumb way to advertise things. It's actually, I think it makes you not want to purchase those things they've interrupted your program for. Ah, but that's because you're intelligent.

I would say it does work for a vast majority of people who don't, you know, it's just subliminal. They're not even thinking about it, but it just goes in. Hey, I want a Coke. Don't you think it works less and less, though? Possibly as we get, you know, disassociated with it, with Netflix and stuff like that, as we move away from it. But I think advertising is evil.

Have you ever seen the South Park? The latest South Park, they go on to it quite well. But advertising, yeah, I see why it's there. But, yeah, it really bugs me. And it bugs me probably also because in Australia we have such terrible ads. Terrible. We had Chris Bell and Mark Bell from the documentary Bigger, Stronger, Faster, and the new one, Prescription Thugs,

where they go over the effect of the prescription drug industry and what massive influence it has on people and the amount of people that are hooked on pain pills and whatnot. Those ads have banned in Australia, by the way. They should be. and they started advertising for all these drugs and how much different the landscape changed when all of a sudden there was an ad that showed you all these things that maybe you have an issue and maybe you should talk to your doctor about this stuff. And then the sales go through the roof.

They get addicted to that money that comes from those sales. It's a really disturbing aspect of our society that you can advertise for drugs, like prescription pharmaceuticals. How many different drugs an American, an average American is on at any one point. When I was in the dive industry as a dive supervisor, I would get lists of everyone on board and their medical conditions and what drugs they were currently taking.

And an Australian is just like, oh yeah, nothing, boom, nothing, boom. An American, they'd have five or six things listed there, and then I would have to actually go do the research on each drug and see if they conflicted with diving and stuff like that. It was a lot of work, and you're kind of like, oh, this is an upper, and this is a downer, and this is a kind of leveler, and this is a... What the...

Well, people have antidepressants, and they have an extra, a bilify, that they add to an antidepressant if that antidepressant isn't doing the job. Yeah. But it could cause society to collapse and your asshole explodes and you bleed out. Some side effects may occur. Suicidal thoughts.

It's apparently like there's a lot attached to it. Like the fine print at the end, when they scroll through it, it may cause blah, blah, blah. It's like this huge list of possibilities that could go horribly wrong but some people they just always think that a pill is the answer and i think that's also part of the programming that's sort of been in doctrine i'm in a really tough spot this point in the last few years basically because i've always believed don't take a pill for the rest of your life take you got a headache you take a headache pill right but you don't take a pill every single rest of your life. You've got a headache, you take a headache pill. But you don't take a pill every single day of your life. There's no point for that.

Unless you have something like diabetes or something, right? Yeah. There's obviously some exceptions there. But lo and behold, most people can actually, with diabetes, even change their diet and sort of go that way. There are ways to do it without taking a pill every day. But now I'm under this thing where since that accident with decompression sickness, I have pain constantly. Right now?

24-7. Yes. You're in pain? Constantly. Well, you're hiding it very well. Well, what do you do with your life? Just cry. Go over there and cry.

I'll hide in the corner. But what are you going to do? Like, you have to. What kind of pain is it that you're in right now? Hands and feet, basically. Hands and feet. Just throbbing or aching? More of a stabbing pain.

It feels like someone's got a needle. Right now, you have a stabbing pain in your hands and feet that you just become accustomed to. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's all the nerve damage, basically. Have you looked into hyperbaric chambers or hyperbaric therapies? Well, I did nine days straight after it happened.

Hyperbaric chambers? Yeah. So, I did nine days in hyperbaric chambers. Have you looked into continual therapy with that? It's not something that'll let me. I would have to go pay for it myself, basically. I'd have to pay thousands of dollars to go get oxygen therapy for, like what footballers do. Footballers go do it so they heal quicker.

If you actually talk to a doctor, they would say it probably wouldn't do much because you do it after the event. But now, you know, we're talking four years later. They're like, eh, probably wouldn't do much. But there's not a lot of – the problem with decompression sickness is there's not a lot of evidence. There's not a lot of research. There is a whole heap of research, but it's classified by the U.S. Marines – sorry, the U.S. Navy. Most of the evidence and most of the stuff out there is very – there's not a lot of data. And so I remember going to these doctors and they're like, we don't really know. How do you go? There's no set plan. Oh, you've got decompression sickness. Where do we go from

here to fix it? There isn't. They're kind of like, oh, we'll try this drug. We'll try this drug. We'll try this drug. We'll try this drug. And we'll just keep trying different drugs and see what happens basically. Whoa. I've tried a lot of drugs in the last four years. and see what happens, basically. Whoa. I've tried a lot of drugs in the last four years. What has offered you the most relief? I'll get in a lot of trouble for saying it,

but acupuncture was actually... Why would you get in trouble for saying that? The anti-acupuncture lobby? Well, it's not... Basically, I had to find some guy who kind of did it. He was a doctor, and then he did acupuncture, we call it bulk billing, as part of the government sort of thing, so I could get it. So I did that, and that reduced my pain by about half.

Really? Straight afterwards, yeah. Huge thing, acupuncture. Wow, that's amazing. The other drugs I tried, oh, God. I mean, the names won't kind of mix over here sort of thing. The first thing they did is they chuck you on antipresence, Cymbalta, that sort of stuff, because they're like,

well, he's just having trouble adjusting to the fact that he's in pain all the time, so let's give him an antipresence so he's happy, which it does take the edge off, but it's A, I'm kind of half against it, but B, you just had to keep upping the dose. You start off on 10 milligrams, and then in a month's time it wouldn't do anything anymore. You go to 20, and you just keep upping the dose. So start off on 10 milligrams, and then in a month's time, it wouldn't do anything anymore. You go to 20, and you just keep upping the dose.

So you just become accustomed to the dosage? Yeah, because it's not taking the pain away. It's just taking the edge off, making you not think about it so much. It's one of the reasons why a friend of mine got off of them. He said he realized you're going to get adapted to whatever dose they give you, and then you're going to come up with some, well, this isn't working anymore because your body's accustomed to it. You built up a tolerance. So we're going to try a new SSRI on you. Yeah. I eventually got off the Cymbalta because I was just, I was getting to basically the depressive doses. I was getting up to 60

milligrams or something. And so I was like, well, I don't want to keep going with this. And quite frankly, it's not doing much. So I got off that and they put me on one called Lyrica, which is an epileptic drug. Jesus. I've tried a lot of drugs. And that just messed with me, messed with my head. I had to quit it because I was going to lose my job because I just didn't turn up to work anymore. I would sleep through my alarms and wake up four or five hours later and it just messed with me. And I was captain of a ship at the time.

So I'm like, I can't be driving a ship. I can't be in charge of all these people and being messed up on some epileptic drug. So I stopped doing that one. Then what did I try after that? Endep, which is an antidepressant from the 60s, I believe. It's not used at all anymore.

But let's think, there's no evidence. There's like, oh, we have like 10 drugs here. So they're just experimenting on you. They're just experimenting on you. And so I've been on that one for a while. The same thing, I just kept getting... Well, the first time I took it, I actually slept for about 20 hours straight. It just messed me up.

So I've been kind of very low doses of it. And once again, it just stopped not really doing much for the pain. And then I said I just spent three weeks in Antarctica with no bags, which means no medication either. So I actually just spent three weeks without it. And I noticed straight away I had more energy during the day. It actually caused me to be fatigued for the morning. And I don't have that anymore. And the level of pain tolerance that it was giving me was just insignificant.

So now I'm just back to popping a pill when it gets too much at night. What kind of pill? At the moment, codeine. We call it pananine forte, which is a paracetamol and a small dose of codeine. So just try to get some sleep? Yeah, just the insomnia. You get insomnia from all the pain. So that's what I try and do.

Yeah. The next one they wanted what I try and do. Yeah. The next one they wanted me to try was methadone. I'm not sure if I'll go down that one yet. Jesus Christ. That's what they do to get people off of heroin. Yeah. I'm just a guinea pig. They just keep experimenting with me.

Fuck, man. That seems so crazy. Well, hopefully people will listen to this that have some information. They'll reach out to you. Hey, I'm open to ideas. I'm open to ideas. Well, information. They'll reach out to you. Hey, I'm open to ideas. I'm open to ideas. Well, I hope they do reach out to you. You had pirates in here as a subject to bring up.

Did you have any experience with pirates? Not personally. With that Tom Hanks movie? No, no, no. I just used to do a talk. We did through sort of not past Somalia, but Tanzania, Maldives, Seychelles, around that whole area. So a lot of people want to talk about piracy. So I have a little presentation that I kind of did on piracy in there.

But what I quite like to show people is actually, I like bringing new technology into the equation. So there's a website called Live Piracy Map, and you can actually see a map of the world and all the current pirate attacks around the world. It's pretty cool. Was that something to be concerned with when you're driving around that big hundred million dollar beautiful boat?

No, not at all. Do you guys have security with you? No, not at all. Oh, we fucked up saying that. I should say, yeah, arm to the teeth superheroes. If I told you I'd have to kill you. No. Pirates attack cargo ships, something with very little crew 10 crew something like that they they attack something that's a big prize with very little people protecting it they don't um occasionally they'll go for yachts uh little

tiny yachts um but cruise ships i think the last sort of cruise ship or big ship that they tried to attack uh as they came up alongside it all the guests on board grabbed all the outdoor furniture, all the sun lounges and stuff like that, and threw it at the people coming up in the little boats and killed some of them. With furniture? Yeah, the furniture. The pirates were killed by falling furniture from the roof. So they just don't do it. You jump on board a ship like that I'm on, and you have 100 guests and you have 80 crews. It's 180 people you're going to try and manage.

You're not going to get away with it. There's the pirate map right there. Yeah. So that's the live piracy map. So you can click on each one of those little tags, and it will tell you the little story. This is all done by the insurance agencies, obviously. But it's just fascinating to see you know what's going on and what i was trying to always show to people is that people always go somalia pirates there isn't actually much piracy there anymore very very

little most of it's actually the straits of malacca singapore around there really most of the piracy is where the largest shipping channels are basically well the somali story we've talked about on the podcast many times, unfortunately, I don't want to reiterate it, but those people were forced into it because of people dumping toxic waste. They were fishermen. They were dumping toxic waste off their shores, and they kidnapped them to try to stop this dumping,

and then they got a massive ransom and realized, like, well, hey, fuck fishing. Let's just start kidnapping people. No one turns into a pirate or a terrorist. It's a function of where they've grown up and the experiences they've had that have pushed them to that limit. You've pushed someone to the edge. There's always a reason for it. Well, the battle for resources and the inequality of the resources

and what you can get in the world. It just leads people to desperation. And that's what, going back to the alien thing, that's what we would hope one day we would get past. We'd get past this. I mean, we'd understand that if we just looked at the world, I mean, if somehow or another we realized that there's a way to be completely altruistic, right? There's a way to be completely even and fair and we would

look at the globe and say well look there's plenty of resources we have boats and ships and let's just evenly distribute all this stuff and figure out a way we could all live in harmony and everybody contribute but it's it's difficult with the way things are right now it's very difficult to move into that place we'd have to have some sort of a massive transcendence. I'd like to go more into the whole climate change thing normally before I bring this up. But at the same time, I started off very optimistic. I started doing climate change talks 2007. I was very, very optimistic. I was like, we can do this. We can do this. We can do this. Now, fast forward almost 10 years later, and I'm apocalyptomistic.

Really? Yeah. I think really, if we want to change what's going on now, like any problem, when adults come to you with a problem, have you tried turning it on and off? Right. I really think we're getting to the point now where we've really got to turn it all off and then start it back up again in a carbon neutral kind of way.

That's what we're getting to right now because what we're seeing now, this is something that eludes most people, the effects we're seeing now, which is two degrees Celsius above industrial rates, the Arctic at the moment is 12 to 16 degrees Celsius above the average pre-industrial time. All this sort of stuff going on,

there's a 40-year lag between what we pump out in pollution and CO2 to what the actual temperature rises. So what we're seeing now is from the mid-70s. We haven't even got up to the 80s yet. That's bananas. Yeah. Can you imagine what the next 10 years, the 80s, what we did to the world during the 80s? When you're in Antarctica, do you look for places to move? say oh i'm gonna build a nice house here 30 years it'll be the shit it's it's not too far off no it's actually really quite warm in the antarctic

peninsula it's it's a bit of a hot spot as well um it's warm i've got a picture um i've got a picture there of me in t-shirts and shorts so you're talking this 30 degrees celsius warmer there which is what is that in america in america fem and fahrenheit okay so we talk about the arctic the arctic at the moment is in some areas about 12 degrees celsius above the pre-industrial levels so god i i can never go to fahrenheit but I would say, yeah, 24, almost 30. It is very annoying that we have different ways of telling the temperature. That is so goofy. And kilograms, too.

Like when we go to, well, England's the most ridiculous. They have stone. When we do weigh-ins for the UFC in England. 13 stone. Like, what are you even talking about? Why are you measuring? Stone's like, what, 13 pounds or something crazy like that? I don't know.

Some random ancient fucking king shit. Somebody had a rock and they wanted everybody to be measured by that rock. I just want to put this out there. Metric system is a wonderful thing. It's the way to go. We should have adopted it. We tried. When I was in high school, before high school, I believe, I believe junior high school, there was an attempt to indoctrinate the American people on soccer and the metric system. Both failed. We're like, no, no.

We dug our heels in. No. Soccer, I can understand. But metric system, I wonder when you're in school, trying to learn math and science, not using the metric system, that must be hard work, man. Remembering all that sort of stuff? It's kind of silly because you can do – the metric system is better. It's a better system. It's a system of 10.

systems of 12 inches. Like, okay, how many yards is a meter compared to a yard? Is how much difference? Okay, 90 meters is almost the same, but there's variables. And then the kilos thing, the kilograms and measuring that and Fahrenheit and Celsius.

It's dumb. Like, one system would be great. They could have done it. They could have stuck with it in the 60s and the 70s. We could have been alright right now, man. The rest of the world, we're over with the metric system. Come join us when you're ready. Not England, though. They have the stones, but...

They have miles. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Pretty sure. I don't think they use kilometers. See if England uses miles. I think they use miles. I think they use inches, feet, miles. Pretty sure. If they use inches. I think they use inches, feet, miles. Pretty sure. If they use inches and feet and they use kilometers, they're retarded.

No. That's wacky. I thought it was you guys. USA and Bhutan were the only people in the Imperial or something like that. Let's see. They longed. What does it say? In the UK, miles are used almost exclusively on road signs.

See? They're exclusively on road signs. They're just using road signs. Interesting. Well, I'm thinking, not just road signs, I think they also use it on their speedometers. Like, you know, 35 miles an hour, because you have a speedometer. I mean, they're not going to use it just on their road signs if their fucking car doesn't say what it is. I'm sure it's in their automobiles, too.

Yeah, it's weird having a mix like that. I wasn't too aware of that. Well, England's not a mix. We are their system. I mean, the reason why we use inches and feet and all that jazz is because of them, miles. That's England. Well, we did too, of course, in Australia.

You got smart. You guys wised up. Another reason why Australia is awesome. As I said, we have our moments. We do. We were the second nation let women vote um we we got a lot of good things behind us that being very progressive and kind of ahead of the loop on a few things but who's the first us new zealand new zealand the first people

let people women vote yeah it's goddamn beautiful it's a beautiful i have a buddy of mine who's over there right now sent me some pictures i was like god yeah it's it's a pretty place i'll try and get there wherever i can what is your favorite place to visit or is do you have a buddy of mine who's over there right now. Sent me some pictures. I was like, God. Yeah, it's a pretty place. I'll try and get there wherever I can. What is your favorite place to visit? Or do you have a favorite place you've explored? I mean, you've literally been. I hate that question. I hate that question.

Because every expedition I do. Don't give me a favorite. Tell me about something awesome. Yeah, every expedition I do has something amazing that we do. Right. And so every single one, there's one place that I really, really like. So there's lots. And and yeah it's hard but if you were to specify a specific expedition i can tell you my highlights of it so probably one of my favorite places in the world at the moment is south georgia which is uh you know the falkland islands are it's just over a little bit further

uh into the into the ocean there uh east and so you've got this little tiny rock in the middle of a big ocean and all the animals have to go somewhere, so they all go to this little tiny rock. So you go on this beach, St Andrew's Bay, and you've got 400,000 king penguins on this one little beach. It's just thick with animals. And it had a lot of sealing, but now the fur seals are coming back. And so you literally get to these beaches

and you've kind of got to try and make your way through the penguins and the seals to actually get ashore. It's that crazy. And one of my favorite things to do there is I just lay down on the beach and all the little tiny baby fur seal pups, little tiny things with bobbly heads, they all come up and they pile on top of you. Whoa. Yeah. It's just amazing, amazing experience to be in amongst so many animals that are just as inquisitive about you as they are. Yeah, there's some crazy, crazy shots there.

Wow, that's so beautiful. It's a stunning spot. I've got some images somewhere as well. The perspective that you gain from visiting all these amazing places and then when you come and you talk to people that sort of live in one city and never leave, do you feel bad for those people? Everyone's got their own path. Oh, look at you all zen. Well, it's true.

I mean, I guess there's a little bit of pity, maybe, a little bit of like, oh, you don't have a passport. That's unfortunate. You live in this wild life of adventure. I mean, so it's an insane path. And I think there's something cool about talking to people that travel all over the world. It's like they have a perspective. It's almost like they're like, okay. Like you go to a bunch of different places, you see a bunch of different ways that people live and you go, oh, all right. There's not really one way to do this. No, there's no better way or bad way. There's just different ways to do stuff. That's what you see everywhere. But yeah, I've got some friends who left high school and they married the local mechanic and don't even have a passport. A dude?

A dude's married a mechanic? Well, I'm talking about a female friend of mine, but whatever. Okay. Same difference. But basically, never left the town that they grew up in, you know, and that's it. That's what they do. Maybe that town has mushrooms. They trip in a different way.

There's a lot of cow patties around there. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. But I think about that when I think of traveling to different cultures and experiencing these really incredibly varied ways of living that people have. I always think, when you look at all the different varieties of life, like I posted this Instagram video last night of this jellyfish that I saw in an aquarium. I saw that, yeah. And I remember thinking when I was looking at that jellyfish, like if that thing was

on another planet, we would think it would be the most fascinating discovery that man has ever... Oh, don't even get me started. Yeah. I mean, there's jellyfish that are immortal. Yeah. Immortal. Like, literally. They live forever.

They live forever. Look at that thing. I think... Yeah, that was a great little video. Amazing. Cephalopods. I think if you're talking about aliens underwater, cephalopods is where it's at. And cephalopods are the nautilus, nautilus shell, octopus, squid, and cuttlefish.

And cuttlefish are my favorite, favorite creature. They're amazing. Actually, Jamie, there's a video on my YouTube channel called Adam vs. Cuttlefish. You'll dig it. Me just free diving with a cuttlefish. But they're the most amazing, amazing creature ever. And they're alien in so many respects. And a lot of the research on them is only like five years old or so.

We're still working stuff out. Because they're the fastest color and texture chamber in the world. They're like a neon sign pulsating color at you. I think it's about 390 dpi is the resolution they can project on their skin. Like, it's just phenomenal. They have three hearts. They don't have hemoglobin. They don't have red blood. They have green blood. It's kind of a They have three hearts. They don't have hemoglobin. They don't have red blood.

They have green blood. It's kind of a copper-based blood. A little bit less inefficient, hence they have three hearts. They have like a jet engine. They pump water in around their head and push it out a little nozzle at the front. Look at that thing. So, yeah. It's like an octopus with tiny legs.

Yeah, or the octopus is in the cephalopod family as well. So, this one's got a cuttlefish bone, so it's neutrally buoyant. It's kind of just floating off the surface. But it looks like whatever's behind it. It's very, very good at camouflage and also communicates via color as well. But what we couldn't work out for many years was you put them in a dark box and they will still mimic. So you put them in a box with no light whatsoever, they will still mimic whatever's behind them, even though there's no light there to actually use

And then they would also mimic color What do you mean they will mimic what's behind them? You mean they'll mimic the wall? So you put a cuttlefish in a box Pitch black And you put a triangle shape behind them They will mimic on the other side a triangle shape In their skin

And we're still trying to work out how they do this Because there's no light. And we knew that they did it with color, but their eyes don't see color. Their eyes see black and white, a heavy amount of contrast. So we actually, only two years ago, they worked out in their skin, they see color via their skin, not their eyes.

I can go on and on and on. It's crazy. Their sexual reproduction is really cool. They have a lack of orifices. They don't have too of orifices. They don't have too many orifices to use. Poor bastards. I know.

So what they do is the male cuttlefish gets an arm and sticks it up his nostril. We'll call it a nostril. It's an orifice, whatever. And pulls out a sack of sperm and then goes up to the female and then sticks that arm with a sack of sperm on it up her nostril, her left nostril. And that's how they reproduce. What? What? Yeah, it's... Sack fisting.

You take a sack of sperm and they fist it up your nose. Yeah. And it's a nostril. It's the same orifice that they use for smelling? We call it a nostril, but it's just an orifice. Just a hole? It's just a hole. But it's the closest one to their sexual.

We're going to watch it here? Oh, God. I'm not prepared for this, Jamie. Cuttlefish sex. Look, he's grabbing her. He dies straight after that, actually. The male does? Yeah, they only live for about 18 months.

So the Australian giant cuttlefish, different cuttlefish, different things. But 18 months. So they do that. They reproduce. They reproduce. They die. My friend Remy Warren has this show called Apex Predator where he travels to all these different environments and tries to figure out how these various apex predators hunt their food and how they do it. And he said without a doubt that the most fascinating one that he studied was the octopus.

He's like, they are some kind of an alien creature. They are. And I didn't know until he came on the show how quickly they can change into the background, completely camouflaged, not just in color but also in texture. They mimic the texture behind them. I mean, it's hard to find them when you're scuba diving. It's actually hard to find them because they look exactly like what is behind them.

They have so many, like the more research you do on them, they're just amazing. They have intelligence of a six-year-old child. And so they've been actually classed recently as like, I forget the word, like sentient beings or something like that. So they're in the same class as dogs and monkeys and dolphins.

You can't do tests on them that harm them, basically. But you can still get them for sushi. Oh, yeah. You can kill them. You just can't torture them. That's so fucked up. You can still get grilled octopus. It's like grilled six-year-old.

I mean, you probably, it's a strange thing that we do when we decide what we will eat. You know, what will we eat? And it varies hugely in culture. Oh, yeah. We don't eat dog here, but there's plenty of places that eat dog. I mean, I made a mistake of watching a piece. I think it was a Vice piece on that Yulin Dog Festival. And I was like, whoa, man.

Good Lord. But again, it's entirely cultural. Because if you're an Indian person person who's a hindu and you see what we do to cows that would be equally if not more disturbing because their cows are holy what i love i haven't done much india but i've done nepal is that no we don't eat this cow this cow sacred but this buffalo it's tasty you're just like what yeah they should get together with the bird egg people and try to figure this out it's just when you see like certain traditions that exist in in these cultures and try to decipher like how how they got started there's always a reason for it you go back you can always

discern a reason of why this started this was you know don't eat pork here well you get salmonella and it kills you you Right. Of course. There's always a reason for it. That's for kosher food and things along those lines. I mean, aboriginal people have this hugely complex system of who you're allowed to talk to, who you're allowed to marry. This thing is called skins. And it takes a long time to kind of get your head around. But when you look at the science behind it, it's the most efficient way ever conceived by humanity to ancient cultures to prevent inbreeding. Oh.

So you're not allowed to talk to your sister. Can't talk to her? Can't talk to her because you might have sex with her. What? I won't have sex with my sister, trust me. That's gross. Really? They can't talk to their sister?

Yeah, and generally their mother as well. Well, that makes you want to fuck your sister more. It's like, damn, must be good trying to keep me away from her. Yeah, you're a little twisted, Joe. I'm not saying me, man. I'm just, you know,

hypothetically this person that lived a long, long time ago when they came up with these weird rules. Is it possible for a restroom? Yeah, yeah, go. I'll just be two seconds and then when I come back

maybe some climate change or some sexual reproduction. I like your watch, man. That is a cool watch. What is that? It's actually quite cheap. That's cool looking. It doesn't have to be expensive.

Go pee. Would you like to have a look? No, I'm good. Don't worry about it. Alright, I'll be back. Alright. Again, I win the bladder war.

I'd like to find someone who could sit here and drink coffee and whiskey As long as we can I don't know what the fuck's wrong Do you think my bladder has changed? It must have changed This is not something I was born with I think it's just from doing three hour podcasts

Like right now, if I had to pee It would be a struggle I've been sitting here drinking coffee I had a glass of whiskey with him A Jack and Coke Diet Coke, of course, because of my diet Like a truck driver Yeah Developed it I wonder I've been sitting here drinking coffee. I had a glass of whiskey with him, a Jack and Coke. Diet Coke, of course, because of my diet. Like a truck driver.

Yeah. Developed it. I wonder. I'd like to have a competition with truck drivers. See who could hold their piss longer. They could pull over, though. Truck driver could pull over. Like two hours in, just pull over.

I mean, I've left podcasts before. I've timed it poorly. You know what it is? If I don't pee right before the show, it could get, because then I might have gone hours without peeing. It's weird it doesn't break the seal. You know, like when you pee when you're drinking, that first pee, then you gotta go every 20, 30 minutes

sometimes. Is that real? Maybe not you. It happens to me. Like at the UFC event one time, I shouldn't have gone at all. I should have just held it. Well, you know where it breaks me monster energy drinks i don't drink those fuckers anymore but at the ufc um they have those and sometimes you know you're doing like six hours of commentary you want a little caffeine but uh i would have those monsters and man that i would have to piss like within an hour

it's crazy like there's some stuff in them. Like there's some form of a diuretic in some way. Speaking of, maybe you would know this. I looked up something yesterday when I was eating a burrito on hot sauce. There's something called xanthan gum in it. Yeah. And it was like a thickening agent is what I read. Right. But when I was looking on the Wikipedia about xanthan gum,

it says it's used as a heavy laxative. Really? And in my head I was just like maybe that's what's making people shit themselves when they eat a lot of hot sauce. It's that, not the hot sauce. Could be. Maybe. I don't know. Could be. High thinking. I think there's a reaction that your body has, your stomach has to hot sauce

too. Your body's like, what in the fuck? And that makes you shit yourself too. Not really necessarily shit yourself too not really necessarily shit yourself as much as have to take a shit yeah how the hell did you get there uh bladder control drinking hot sauce xanthan gum i've only been out of the room for 30 seconds wow i've actually while i was going to the toilet i just remembered pirates yes do you know why they have the earrings the gold earrings earrings? Because they're gay. They're all gay.

Well, actually, you are very right. They did accept homosexuality as a big part of it. Well, that was why they would do it. I mean, that's why they dress so flamboyantly. Yes, but that's not why they wear gold earrings. No? No. It was actually payment for burial.

So when you got washed overboard, you end up floating up on a beach. Someone would go bury you and then take the gold as payment. Oh, that's a good deal. Yeah. That's just an interesting fact. I thought it was just to look cool, look like a badass with a scarf on. There was women. They weren't all just gay. There was women pirates as well. Really? But to be a woman pirate, though, you had to be able to get away with... You had to

look like a male, basically. You had to be able to get away with... You had to look like a male, basically. You had to be able to get away with... Thick. Yeah. It'd be like a softball playing type pirate. Like a chick who really likes CrossFit. Them thick-necked ones. Still very womanly, but large. Stout.

After traveling the world for a while, the last few years, I'm a really big fan of yoga pants On airplanes Oh yes Everywhere Yep They figured it out They figured it out

It's amazing that it took so long But now girls are just rocking them constantly Like Bitch you ain't going to yoga You just want everybody to see your perfect ass How dare you Walk around But men can't do that

If you walk around with yoga pants And your shaft is just like Bulging in the front of your pants, people would think you're rude. Like it's quite fine and dandy for their ass to be plump and right there and all juicy and inviting.

But you can't have your man bits compressed and front and center. That would be rude, right? At least in a plane full of people. Which is not acceptable. A man can't walk around with yoga pants on. would be rude, right? At least on a plane full of people, yeah. Which is not acceptable. A man can't walk around with yoga pants on. Very few do, right? Yeah, I don't think I could pull it off.

It's an argument for a large fanny pack. Yoga pants and a large fanny pack for a man. It's like, what is behind that fanny pack? Wouldn't you like to know? My eyes are up here, fucker. Oh, fanny pack. That just cracks me up when you say that. What? Oh, because you guys, the vagina?, fanny is a vagina in England and Australia as well

But also we wouldn't be caught dead wearing an actual fanny pack, bum bag, whatever you want to call it Why not? It's just not fashionable I wear one You wear one? All the time I can see it's being useful It's amazing

Yeah If you're not trying to get laid, man, just rock it. Do you want one? I have them. I'm trying to get laid, sorry. So should we talk about climate change or something? You do, sure. Is that something that you want to bring up?

I'm just amazed at how many tangents you've been able to go on in the last few hours. Well, you too. It's impressive. Well, you're in this with me. Yeah, I know. It's both our faults. Okay. So I don't know how much to talk about here.

You've got such an intelligent audience. I don't know. Listen, don't get too crazy. Okay. There's a lot of monkeys out there listening too. So I guess first thing is don't shoot the messenger. Normally when someone starts talking about climate change, they look for reasons to shoot them basically. Yes.

And you need to – it's got such a political aspect to it. Right. And you've got to disassociate that and just look at the science. Right. And also take the whole – I hate the word belief. I believe in climate change. Well, two plus two equals four. If you believe it's five, it doesn't really change the fact.

Right. So anyway, don't shoot them. You've got a whole lecture on this, huh? I do. Do you do TED Talks on this? I had a ted ted charter on board the ship we had uh mission blue 2 which was all trying to ocean conservation sylvia earl heads of ted talk fascinating fascinating um but uh yeah i just listened to them basically but um so then you have climate which is what a big mistake people make is they go oh it's weather it's cold outside well that's climate no which is what a big mistake people make is they go, oh, it's weather, it's cold outside. Well, that's climate. No, climate is weather over very large timescales.

And that's a big one that people get wrong straight away. But when you look at, say, 14,000 peer-reviewed articles about climate change, there's only 24 that reject global warming. So to have this whole thing, there's a debate going on. There is no debate. There's a debate. 24 people, debate. No, I know what you're saying. I'm just joking. You've seen the documentary, I assume, Merchants of Doubt.

I think that one might have missed me, actually. It's pretty fascinating. I had Michael Shermer in here, who's the head of Skeptic magazine. Do you know that magazine? Michael Shermer is a pretty famous skeptic. I remember the Skeptoid one. You ripped him a new one that was right guys yeah he did it himself a fool um but schirmer is much more reasonable and intelligent man but he was um talking about um this documentary we i actually brought it up and i forgot that he was in it um it was a

documentary where it showed that the same people that were spreading misinformation, that were actually paid to spread misinformation about cigarettes, about cigarettes being addictive, were the very same people that were spreading misinformation about climate change. People sell out for them. Yeah, exactly. And they're just good at it. They're good at bullshitting. Those 24 people, you look into it, they're all paid by the oil companies. It's all there. So, I mean, you and me, we know, and the whole world's kind of come around to it in the last two years. The world is warming. We know this. No matter which way you look at it,

something's going on. And people normally go, oh, well, that's solar and stuff like that going on. But if you remove the solar from the equation, it's still going up. It's still going up because we understand the solar cycles quite well. We've done a lot of research on them, so we know what's going on. And then the other thing people always say is, oh, it's happened over and over again throughout history. And so this one's 800,000 years. And yeah, you see it psychically going up and down, but I always like to look at the averages.

And the averages is kind of co2 with an average of maybe 225 parts per million you know what we're up to now what we're like 403 at the moment okay so the average has been 250 never got higher than 300 and we're now at 400 or something so we're off the charts when it comes to that and temperature the same it's always been a lot colder than it actually is today. And that's just because, you know, Earth rotating around the sun, a little bit of progression here, a little bit of a tilt here. We understand this quite well.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to make observations of the skies as closely as we do. So people always go, yes, it's solar. But if you look at solar since 1960, 70, it's been going down. But the amount of solar radiation, the amount of energy the sun's putting out that hits planet earth has been going down and yet temperature has been going up big time so right there you kind of can get away from the whole it's just natural cycles something's really going on that's not meant to be there and so as of last year we crossed 400 parts per million with CO2 in the atmosphere.

And actually between... Look at that spike. That's crazy. From the 1910s to 2015. No, no, this is from 400,000 years ago. No, but I mean the last spike. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which shows 1910s to 2015. That's when it goes completely vertical.

Yeah, exactly. Just straight up. Straight up. And so, I mean, even in the last 12 months, we've had the sharpest rise in CO2 as well of about just under three parts per million. So it's still increasing. It's not slowing down at all. It's actually increasing big time. That spike is crazy.

It's weird to look at. Yeah. It's like a rocket ship taking off straight up in the air. Anytime you see this, you know, any scientist sees this, they're like, ooh, that's not normal. Things are cyclic. They don't just go the hockey, whatever you call it, hockey stick. Do you remember when an inconvenient truth came out and so many people were attacking Al Gore immediately afterwards?

Boy, those conservatives, they fucking piled on. It's almost like they were just trying to avoid the information getting out, just trying to keep business as usual for as long as possible. I often wonder what sort of world world would currently live in if our goal became president yeah well he should have he should have fucked over yeah that was one of the weirdest elections that we're like yeah yeah we know you won but whatever George Bush second term come on come out you never get rid of a president in war, do you?

You always have. They always get two terms if there's war going on. Well, John Kerry was the second term, right? Al Gore was the first one, right? Wasn't it Al Gore? Didn't Al Gore run against him the first time and then John Kerry did the second time? Was that what it was? Yeah, that's right.

And even John Kerry, there was some fuckery. There was some fuckery when it came to... Did you ever... Well, it's a totally different subject. But there was a fantastic HBO documentary called Hacking Democracy. And it was all about how these Diebold machines that were created, these election counting machines, were – they were huge contributors to the Republican Party, the Diebold Corporation, which changed their name afterwards. But they also engineered some sort of a backdoor into the system, like clearly that could be hacked.

And they showed it without doubt on the show, in the documentary, that you can hack these machines and alter the results. Yeah. And these are the machines that they used when Bush became president. Remember the dangling chads, whatever it was? It's messed up.

It's messed up. So, I mean, temperatures, they're rising. We know this. As I said, worldwide, I think we're about 1.5 at the moment, degrees above pre-industrial. Northern Hemisphere, 2 at the moment. So where are they going? Well, they're going towards about 6 degrees by the end of the century.

Six? Yeah. So you'll talk to people and they'll go, 4.5. Any climate scientist, you get this all the time. So you go, tell me what's going to happen by the end of the century. And they're like, 4.5 degrees Celsius temperature rise. And then you have a drink with them afterwards, and they're like,

well, I can prove 4.5 to 99.99% probability, but I can prove 6 at 92% probability. You know what I mean? And so they don't ever print it because they can't be 100% certain. There's a few more variables. They need more data. They need more research.

They need more calculations. But that's the real number. But that's actually where it's heading. So that's why you get these great graphs where you see, I mean, this graph here, it's a few years old. It says, oh, it may only get to 1.5 degrees. We're already there. So the lowest end of this has already happened. The higher end is about 6 degrees, depending on the different research that you do.

But I think it's just good that people realize that scientists won't publish something unless they're 100% certain on something. And so there's a lot of things that they're pretty certain on. They'll tell you over a drink later on, but they won't publish it. And generally, that's why every year it seems to get worse and worse, the predictions. Positive proof of global warming is underwear? It's more visual joke than anything

i don't think i think that's people found out people look better those little tiny underwear this is a by the way the vast majority of the people uh that enjoy this show uh listen i'm trying my best to talk about it more More than 90%. So that picture, they're like, what the fuck did they see? They're just old school bloomers from the 1900s, early 1900s to the little tiny bikini underwear that the young ladies like to wear today, which I support. If that's what global warming is bringing us, yee-haw. Fucking fire up the carbon. I'll skip through this as quickly as I can. What's going on?

Why is this all happening? Well, we're pumping out 9 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year. And what I like about this graph is that you can see that about 3.5 billion tons is actually coming from coal and about 3.5 from petroleum. So actually just removing coal from the equation is like a third more than that's china is a big one right no australia's got heaps of coal-fired power plants australia well america has some as well yeah right but china is they have a huge problem with it right don't they you need i mean it's ancient technology hundreds of years old we we got much better stuff these days okay instead of just going over these graphs and showing how we're fucked, what can be done?

Is there something that can be done? Yeah. Do you have a solution? Yeah. Adam Cropp for president of the world? I couldn't put up with politicians. No, you couldn't. Yeah, I have.

I can just skip straight forward to the solutions if you like. We have to ride horses? No, no, no. I just want to point out that different things are going on. Cyclones, hurricanes are getting worse and worse. They're more powerful. There's more of them. Jet streams messed up.

Sea level rise, oh. They say maybe two meters, but once you factor in positive feedback loops and stuff like that, it can be significantly higher. So you come back to the old Maldives thing. They're gone. Interesting man. Have you ever back to the old Maldives thing, you know, they're gone. Interesting man. Did you ever heard of this guy? No. He was the president of the Maldives.

He was the first democratically elected president of 100% Muslim country. Did he like carrots? He looks like a rabbit. Some of his teeth. Look, this guy's got some crazy teeth. He was a marine biologist. But he's like biting his lower lip.

Like he's, is that just a weird face they call him? Yeah, it's just some crazy teeth. He was a marine biologist. But he's biting his lower lip. Is that just a weird face they caught him making? He spent six years in jail and 18 months in solitary confinement. Whoa, for what? For talking about climate change. What? Yeah, it's crazy. They put him in jail? Yeah, he's currently in jail, I think, at the moment.

For talking about climate change? Yeah. Wow. Who put him in jail. Yeah, he's currently in jail, I think, at the moment. For talking about climate change? Yeah. Wow. Who put him in jail? The next president that came in. Anyway, so what you have is this huge potential of sea level. We go, oh, two meters. And most people go, oh, yeah, two meters, build a wall, whatever.

People in Shanghai would disagree. But anyway, you have this sea level rise potential, though, with positive feedback loops. So water vapor is probably the most well understood. The more hotter you have, the more water vapor you have, and that cycles back on itself and it gets hotter. Another one is like the permafrost in Siberia and stuff like this. So as this area thaws, it releases a whole heap of methane, which then cycles and it gets more and more and more.

So if you take this all into account, then you get a huge sea level rise of about 60 meters is the potential of what can go on. 16 meters? No, no, six zero. 60? 60 meters. Convert that to feet at your leisure, about 200 feet.

Oh, my God. But show a graph, one thing. Show an image of, you know, there's Australia with 60-meter sea level rise. Where's the states? There. Florida, where is it? Good.

We got rid of Florida. California looks like it has plenty of water now. Problem solved. You got a nice little... Look at all that stuff in the middle. We got plenty of places to live. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.

That stuff in the middle, there's no one there anyway, right? Europe, most of Europe's gone. Good. Good. Good riddance. Then you also have the ocean acidification. Do you know much about that one? Yes, I have read about that. That's one of the more disturbing aspects.

Not just ocean acidification, but less oxygen and more dead zones. Well, the last time this happened, which it's happening, and it's only a couple of decades away, 96% of the marine species on this earth perished. When was this? 252 million years ago. Well, we bounced back. We did. It's called the Great Dying.

At the current trends of what's going on, 2050, we're looking at this ocean acidification event happening. So that means that all coral reefs won't be able to grow coral anymore. No shellfish can grow shells anymore. Basically, they can't bind calcium carbonate out of the water anymore. Basically, the chemistry doesn't work anymore. And that, at the moment, is looking about 2050. Jesus. Yeah.

And that's pretty much, that's all your fish species, everything. That's a lot of stuff going on. I saw something online about there was a solution that they were proposing where they would put scrap iron all throughout the ocean. And then that would somehow or another attract algae. Basically, you're seeding a whole heap of life to bloom. Phytoplankton. seeding a whole heap of life to bloom, phytoplankton. The start of the food chain, you're going,

hey, here's a whole heap of stuff for you that makes you grow faster and bigger and stronger. And so it seeds that. And so, yeah, it will absorb a large amount of CO2 for sure. Not enough. Yeah, it's tough. The ocean is doing a damn good job at the moment of absorbing a lot of CO2. And that's why we have this kind of 40-year lag thing going on, because the ocean absorbs a lot of heat. And it's a heat sink, you know.

But, I mean, this one here, this is this month, and you've got 12 degrees warmer in the top. It's crazy. And, yeah, about 12 degrees warmer than standard than normal. The Arctic basically didn't have a winter this year. It just stayed summer. Yeah. Stayed summer. Like how warm?

12 degrees Celsius warmer than usual. Whoa. Yeah. So that whole Arctic, uh, ice free sort of thing, that's not too far away. It's actually not too far away. It's closer than you think. And Greenland is thawing very, very fast. I mean, if you look at the melts,

over 50% of Greenland melted last year. Most of it refroze, thank God, but it's melting. Over 50%? Yeah. That's a graph in front of you. The 2015 melt percentage was over 50% of it melted. Normally, just over about 20% melts per year, but a large portion of it melted. Was Greenland over about 20% melts per year, but a large portion of it melted.

Was Greenland at one point in time green? Is that the reason why they called it Greenland? I think they just messed up the naming, to tell you the truth. Really? I know. Iceland and Greenland should be the other way around. All right. But I'm going there for the first time, actually, in June. Iceland? I'm going on National Geographic Explorer. I'm doing Svalbard, Iceland, Greenland.

Super excited. So, again, I love these charts and graphs, but we're almost out of time here. We're at three minutes. What can we do? Well, yeah, what can we do? You need to save the children, but I prefer to save the animals.

So that's what it's all about. You like the animals more than the people? Well, I'm scared of toddlers. They kill more people than the people well i'm scared of toddlers they kill more people than terrorists so i'm scared of them toddlers do yeah toddlers in the states kill more people than terrorists um how do they kill people shoot them generally no those then guns are killing people not toddlers right well just keep the fucking guns away from the toddlers and don't kill anybody how many people got get killed by toddlers it's a lot it's crazy really yeah it from the toddlers and don't kill anybody. How many people get killed by toddlers? It's a lot.

It's crazy. Really? Yeah, it's crazy. Toddlers with guns. That should be a website. That should be a new band, Jamie. Thinking about a band name? Toddlers with guns.

Death by toddler. Yes, death by toddler. I like it. There is a million different things you can do with climate change. There is. And the thing that most people do is, oh, here's a great idea. We need to do that one idea. No, we need to do all of them or we need to do them all now. And we need to

do them all 20 years ago, basically. That's why I keep saying, really? Have you tried turning it on and off again? We kind of do need to do a full reset. But we need to start. We have the technology to do all these things and keep living standards up. We have the technology.

We just need to start acting on it. Whether it be Hyperloop. Hyperloop's a great idea. Why aren't we doing that? And the most big thing that always comes to me, put solar panels on your roof. Efficiency is a huge one. Change the LED bulbs, all that sort of stuff. There's a million different things, and we've gone over this a million times as well. But it always comes down back to money. And I always say there's lots of money out there to be done. There's lots of money to be used. And you can raise taxes. Carbon tax is a great way. Very efficient. Been proven over and over. It's a great way to actually curb climate change. You could just print the money like the banks do. That always works. I'm going to get in a lot of trouble for this, but you could

take a little bit of the war budget, the military budget. How are you going to get in trouble for that? That's not controversial. You'd be amazed. I do climate change talks. The moment I talk about reducing military budgets and putting it towards good climate change, that sort of stuff. Freedom ain't free.

Freedom ain't free, pussy. I love Team America. That's a great movie. So, I mean, I actually did, I started a, I think, non-profit, it's more of an idea at the moment, called World Without War. And that was all about, hey, that's more of an idea at the moment, called World Without War. And that was all about,

hey, let's take 50% of the military budgets and put it towards large infrastructure projects. Plant trees, build a hyperloop. And once you do the figures, like once you have, oh, I've got $2 trillion, what can I do for $2 trillion? You'd be amazed. You can give free education to everyone.

You can convert all those coal-fired power plants into renewables. You can completely reduce deforestation. You can do Mars missions. Is this your website, worldwithoutwar.org? As said, it's just an idea. Just started. But that's the last one I like to end on because I know we're running out of time.

It's Buckminster Fuller. And I think he put it best, which is, It is now highly feasible to take care of everyone on Earth at a higher standard of living than any have ever known. It no longer has to be you and me. Selfishness is unnecessary. War is obsolete. It's a matter of converting the high technology from weaponry to living. That's a beautiful quote.

But how do you deal with ISIS? How do you deal with ISIS? Once again, I'll get in trouble. Don't build ISIS in the first place. Don't give them all the weapons in the first place. But once you do have them with all the weapons. What is this? People getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year?

Is this real? Oh, my fucking God. More Americans are killed by toddlers. Two-year-olds are shooting people. Yeah. What in the fuck? In October of 2015, it said 43 instances. What?

Yeah. Oh, my God. This is insane. In 2015, at least 13 toddlers have inadvertently killed themselves with firearms, 18 more injured themselves, 10 injured other people, and two killed other people. So... I'm selling. Two children. Well, it's not the kids.

It's people that leave the fucking guns around kids. That's what it is. Because you know in Australia, we have no guns. Yeah. We have the largest massacre on earth. 36 people or something got killed and we just turned around and went, you know what? We don't need guns. Yeah.

Worked rather well. We did for you guys. But again, you have the population of Los Angeles and a giant hunk of land. Yeah, there's something like a certain, I think there's hundreds of millions of guns in America. I think there's as many guns as there are people. And there are trillions of rounds of ammunition. And the gun people say if

there was really a gun problem you'd know it with all our guns and all our ammo there was really a gun problem i i fucking just reasonably suggested reasonably suggested that people that are mentally unbalanced maybe shouldn't have guns and people and the fucking hate i got from the far right like the people that really believe in the second amendment says the right it's a right to keep and bear not but no butts i believe in the second amendment but no no no no buttss No buts guns Isn't it like a well armed militia to stop government Yeah that's what it's supposed to be

Well that's what they think The Oregon people who we never figured out Who first dubbed them y'all kaida Whoever that guy is Kudos to you or her Ma'am or sir It's a great great name But yeah those people there's a lot of people like that

that think well they're coming for our guns they're coming it's education when it comes down to it the best thing money for dollar for dollar that you can do is education if you educate women in the world they have less children and that that solves a lot of problems right there to the truth um the only other thing dollar for, education is the best way, and especially educating women in third world countries especially. But that was the way 20 years ago. I feel now we've gotten to the point where we really, I said 40-year lag. So what's happening now, we're not going to see for 40 years.

We need to do something major. We need to do something right now. And that's why I quite like the World Without War thing because for every dollar you spend lobbying to get people to reduce their military budget, it's a multiplier. You're going to get a lot more money diverted to something that is better for society, basically.

Something that's, whether it's infrastructure or Hyperloop or plant trees or get electric cars, whatever, throw the money at it. Well, very few people would argue with you that the world would be better off without war. I think the real argument would be – You'd be amazed. Everyone argues with me on that one. I think the real argument would be whether or not the rest of the world would cooperate.

If we all would agree, let's just ramp down our gun production, our missile production. Let's ramp it down and everybody relax and let's reallocate those resources. Most people would say that would be a great idea, but who's going to do it as well? You know, is ISIS going to do it? I like the example of India and Pakistan. India and Pakistan keep raising their military budgets every year to compete with each other

because they want to make sure they're spending the same amount as the other guy because they're scared of the other guy. You go to these two countries and you go, hey, here's a treaty, just like all the trade agreements, whatever, that you sign and you reduce your military budget by 50% and the other guy promises to do it as well. Suddenly, you're reducing war, which I'm all for, and you're also relieving a whole heap

of money available for climate change abatement. So I think it's a win-win situation, but oh my lord, I get in trouble when I talk about it. Well, you sound like a hippie. Sound like an idealistic hippie. That's what the problem is. The people right now are, yeah, fuck this hippie. Shutting their iPhone off right now. Fucking hippie.

I hate when Rogan has hippies on. But who wants war, man? No one wants war. Except maybe Jocko. Jocko might want it. Because most people don't want it. Except maybe Jocko. Jocko might want it. Because most people don't want it.

You know, they reluctantly accept the fact that we have disputes and that we have armies to handle that and keep us safe. But if you ask them, would it be better if we just took that money and instead of having all this military, spend it on climate change? Yeah, but then there's also those people that are in the military that don't have jobs anymore. Like, we don't have any soldiers? Like, we have less soldiers? Yeah, I'm sure we can get jobs for them that don't involve killing people. There's many different ways to do this. You can...

This is all very reasonable. I just don't know. Yeah, no, it's... As I said, I'm amazed at how much kickback I get from that one thing. I normally don't mention it. I normally don't make climate change.

I don't want to convolute it with something like that. But it's such a perfect idea. A perfect idea is, and that can solve a lot of problems at the timeframe that we need to solve them. Because everything else, if you look at the climate, Paris talks, right? COP21. So the 21st time they got together to talk about climate change, they eventually went, okay, 194 countries, we agree something's going wrong, and we need to prevent the earth from warming to two degrees Celsius. Well, six months later, we're already there. And they're not agreeing to do anything for five years as well. So they don't even start to do anything for five years. If we wait for politicians

to do something about this, we are just so screwed. We really are. Well, that's one of the problems with having politicians is that they're not experts they're not experts in anything they're experts in figuring out how to get people to vote for them that's it most politicians they're not the best at anything they're certainly not like exemplary human beings who are beyond reproaching yeah they're good at you know they're good at debates. Other than Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders seems to be a pretty exemplary guy. Believe or not believe in socialism.

Argue it as you may. He seems like a great guy with some pretty good ideas about the world. We're out of time. We're out of time, Adam. That's amazing how quickly that goes. It's three hours and 15 minutes, man. Right? About that? Something like that? We're over. We went over. We don's three hours and 15 minutes, man. Right? About that?

Something like that? We're over. We went over. We don't give a fuck over here. Thank you very much, though. Let's do this again, man. Please. How often are you in LA?

I have no idea, but hey, I'll come back next year. You're all over the place, man. I don't know where I'm going. Come around. Come visit us. But thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Hey, it's been a great pleasure.

And hey, keep up the good work, Joe. joe you you are really doing some amazing stuff here and i don't think people tell you that enough that we're listening all the way back in australia and we're loving what you're doing thank you brother i really appreciate that all right thank you friends that's it for this week you fuckers i'll see you soon bye-bye big kiss