The Joe Rogan Experience - #786 - Wheeler Walker, Jr.

Episode Date: April 18, 2016

Wheeler Walker, Jr. is an American country music singer-songwriter. His album "Redneck Shit" is out now on Spotify, and he also can be seen on tour this summer. http://www.wheelerwalkerjr.com/

You know what? Are we live? Yeah. Right now we're live? Which probably costs a shitload of money. We're trying to figure, like, Riders on the storm, doom-de-doom-doom-doom.

I think that would be the best way to open a podcast ever. Too much, though, right? I'll talk to some people. Wheeler Walker Jr. Hey, are we on camera? We're on camera with the whole deal. You look fucking fantastic Let me show some more

I found out about you Through our mutual friend Who turned me on to Eating pussy and kicking ass And I was a fan Right away Instantly Are we on?

We're on This is real This is 100% legit Yeah I love the show And we I'm out here Fucking I'm not making this up

We bought tickets For this weekend Because we were going to do Coachella. Too risque, they said. The goal was we were going to do it, and they said it was too fucking X-rated. We can't fuck. What? Which was fucking bullshit to me, man. You're too risque for Coachella?

I thought Coachella was all about taking ecstasy. That's what I fucking thought. You know, it's just, I don't know. Maybe that's their excuse. They just don't want me, you know. It could have been the nice way of saying, you know.

Let's just go over the playlist and perhaps we'll see where the hitches might be. I think I may be with them. Redneck shit. I don't have any problem with that. That's easy. That's the name of the album.

That's easy. We're banned from Walmart, by the way. Well, that's a plus. Beer, weed, coochies. That's fine. Family tree. Totally fine.

That's the dirtiest one, though. Oh, really? Can't fuck you off my mind. Things start getting a little edgy. Fuck you, bitch. That's the ballad. Drop a mouth. That's easy.

Eating pussy, kicking ass. My favorite. Fighting, fucking, farting. That's fun. Better off beating off. Sit on my face and then the coup de grace. Which one of you queers is going to suck my dick? Hey, man. Shit happens. sit on my face and then the coupe de gras which one of you queer is gonna suck my dick hey man shit happens you get you go black out and go to a head to a bar well the problem is the titles are actually way quicker than the song i mean i go here no here's honestly what

happened so i went to my buddy uh dave cobb he's a producer there i actually met him through your buddy sturgill actually i didn't really meet him, but there's a bunch of articles that said Sturgill introduced me to him, so I'm just going with it. Why not? It's already a narrative. Yeah, it helps. And I'd kind of been kicking around Nashville for about 15 years or so and with no success at all. I mean, just bullshit.

And I'd had my ass kicked my dick in the dirt as they say and then um i was like fuck it this is gonna be my last record i was like i'm gonna whatever they call it drop the mic put out a really fucking dirty ass record the record i always wanted to make and not pull any punches i was gonna just pay for myself own it myself and i had a feeling this was gonna get me banned from nashville and then i just leave because i'm a fucking broke so we made this fucking dirty record and it's probably about as dirty and it's not it wasn't even like i want to make the dirtiest country record it was just like what's happened now in nashville because it's turned into such fucking bullshit is um well money's happened right well what's happened is country radio is no

longer country music what is it it's and i didn't know this anymore than you because i don't listen to that dog shit but i um i actually heard the best explanation for it the other day steve earl who's a hero of mine he was on this chris shifflett podcast i don't know if you you know who he is. He's a guitar player for Foo Fighters. He has a good podcast where he interviews a lot of country musicians. He loves country. Oh, wow. And Steve Earl goes, you could hear him. He's kind of talking around it. He goes, country today, you know, mainstream corporate country is, he goes, it's rap music for people. And he pauses. He's like, it's rap music for people and he pauses he's like it's rap music for

people and he just you keep hearing him pause like he's gonna say it he goes it's rap people for it's rap music for people who are scared of black people and he's not saying as a joke but i'm sorry listen he's absolutely fucking a hundred percent right it's luke bryan do like a duet with a rapper they all do that if You know what it is? It's like beats for, you know, you said you know some hip hop and shit. Jamie's big on the hip hop. Yeah, you're like, it's beats from, but the thing is, here's my thing. If you were making good sounding, like it's beats from the 80s, really soft, guy with

the baseball hat, singing about trucks and beers and dog shit like that. The river, you gotta go to the river. Exactly, yeah no it's just so i and have you ever seen that compilation what's that it's a compilation they put all these different musicians singing the exact same thing oh yeah yeah well i've heard a lot of this one compilation of country artists it's just the same song yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah compilation they're all talking about being by the river your tight blue jeans. There's all these different things that they just repeat. I mean, it's disgusting, really, is what it is.

It's weird. Another thing, too, is I listen to NWA. I listen to Public Enemy. I listen to Ghetto Boys. I don't need to hear white boy rap. I listen to all kinds of music. If I want to listen to rap, I'll listen to fucking rap. So I went in the studio, and I'm like, I want to make some real fucking country music. And at the time I didn't know what had happened. And, you know, I'm in

Nashville, but I'm in my house. I don't know what the fuck's going on. So I, um, whenever I write a song, like my first instinct is just not to censor it, you know, why would you? Right. And I started playing in the studio and they're like, this guy, motherfucker. I mean, I'm fisting chicks and going, you know, guys blowing each other and uncles, you know. Eating pussy and kicking ass had me literally cry and laugh. Well, that's probably the cleanest song. It's a funny song, though, man. It's very funny.

We were listening to playback, and I go, we were listening to Fuck You Bitch, which is the, I was going to say the hit. I've heard that one too. That's a hit. That's the hit, if you can call it a hit. It took me a second to realize that was also you, because I saw the first one from the Ben Hoffman show. Yeah, fuck that dude.

Not funny. You don't like Ben Hoffman? No, well, he talked me into doing his fucking, his, he had a show on Comedy Central. As the saying goes, I was sick that week, so I didn't get to see it. It was fucking canceled. It wasn't funny, and the dude just came off kind of like a cocksucker. Wow. Strong words.

You guys could be brothers. You look exactly alike. We look like? Real similar. I don't think so, but whatever. Each to his own. Dude, I'm half blind. Okay, well, that's cool.

I was going to say, I don't see it. I wear glasses now. half blind. Okay, that's cool. I was going to say, I don't, I mean. I wear glasses now. So I did that thing and then, you know, I think that's where maybe Cobb or, you know, because I knew Sturgill back in Kentucky. Anyway, the point, I'm all over the place.

Well, it just started getting around. What was interesting to me was it started getting around through no like big promotion, just people passing it on. Someone would find out about it, they'd send it to this guy and he would send it to his friends and that's how I got it. It might have been Sturgill to send it to me. It's very possible,

because what happened was, and kind of the main point was, I was in the studio, back to what we were talking about, and I'm listening to playback, to Fuck You Bitch, and I go, man, this is so pretty. If I made it clean,

you know, like Love You Girl, you know, whatever, I go, this could get played on the radio, and they look at me like I'm crazy, and they go, this ain't getting played on the radio i go why not they go because it's real country music and they don't play that on the radio anymore then i go if it's just if i can get a band for playing real country why not just fucking not censor myself at all and do it fucking x-ray so that that's what kind of convinced me just to do it my fucking way you know so as

someone who is a country music artist and is a fan of country music and we talked about country music before the show started there's you got to be some hope that there's guys like shooter jennings and sturgill there's these new guys that are coming up that are really fucking talented that's the only hope well i mean really what's happening here's my thing and i've gotten a lot of fuck i mean all the kind of mainstream it's not fucking around i mean like music growing happy that my out it was grammy week when my album came out like eight weeks ago and i out my album debuted at number nine on the billboard country charts during grammy outsold people who were on the fucking grammmys.

And I'm just, that's from a fucking few tweets. And I ain't got no Twitter followers. I don't even know how to use it. Facebook and, you know. I signed up for Snapchat hoping to get a bunch of tits. Because they said that's where the tits come in. Snapchat's where the tits come in. Yeah, I got. I gotta stay off the Snapchat, Jamie.

I've gotten 25,000 dicks. No. I got nothing but dicks and nuts. And I've gotten like four of the nastiest tits you've ever seen. Well, men are disgusting so men take chances. Yeah, well, I mean,

I appreciate it. So if a guy's a gay guy and you got all these songs about gay guys sucking dicks, they're like, I can get this guy. Well, the thing,

they're not even doing, these aren't gay guys. These are guys who are just like, I love your album. I want to show you my fucking nuts. Oh. And I'm like,

I guess I appreciate it, but someone sent me some fucking tits already. Yeah, well, I think they're coming today. Today, people are going to send you them. They're not even going to be theirs. You're going to get some fake accounts. You're going to get fished.

Not fished. Catfished? Catfished. You're going to get catfished. If anyone's up for getting catfished, it's old Will Walker Jr. I'll show up with my fucking pants down ready for you. I'll buy anything. Well, what's funny

about you and this whole thing is that no one had to give you the green light to do this what i love about it is that you decided to take a chance spend your own money hire legit musicians put it together yourself and you're like fuck it i'm gonna have it either i'm gonna go down in flames or this is gonna take off and dude i hear about you all the time now like i don't know if you know what's happening but there's like this wave of people who are i hear about you all the time now like i don't know if you know what's happening but there's like this wave of people who are finding out about you across the country the answer is i i didn't know i mean i put out the album and then i got a call like i said about you know that it's on the billboard i thought it was a fucking joke and then i they said they we

should i got to go on tour and i said i'm going i'm no spring chicken man i ain't sitting in a fucking van and playing empty clubs and i said call me back when we got offers and they started getting off like can i make my official well jamie pull up that uh we're doing a tour yeah i'm announcing it right now like and i got talked into you know like there's people buying i guess they want to buy tickets i don't nobody would have ever let you do this 10 years ago you could have never done that's so funny because you know obviously a thing you know here we go bam oh shit it was a full tour son i'm not even kidding this some of these is the first time i've seen it okay so go to wheeler walker junior dot com forward slash tour and all these are on here. You're doing some serious places, man.

You're doing some pretty big theaters. So tell me, some of these are like House of Blues. Yeah, these are several thousand people. House of Blues, I mean, they play everything but the blues. But, I mean, those are big rooms. How the fuck am I going to sell that out? I don't know, dude. I guess that's what I'm here for.

I guess that's what you're here for. But, yeah, you're doing The Independent in San Francisco. Is that a good place? Yeah, it's a very nice place. Yeah, motherfucker. You're doing some good spots. Yeah, well, I mean. The Fillmore San Francisco. Is that a good place? Yeah, it's a very nice place. Yeah, motherfucker. You're doing some good spots. Yeah, well, I mean- The Fillmore in Philadelphia, that's a great theater.

Oh, no way. Yeah. Damn, son, look at you. That's hilarious. How long ago did the album come out? Been about eight weeks. So, I listen. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck's going on, but here's-

That's awesome. I guess, so I went in there, like this guy Dave Cobb, who just won the Grammy for Country Producer of the Year. Okay. And he did Sturgill's first two records. And I knew Sturgill a little bit back in Kentucky. And he introduced me. He's like, just give me cash. I was like, I want to own this shit.

You know, I don't want anyone to own, because they're going to fuck with it. So I just gave them, literally emptied out my bank account, gave Dave the money. All these kind of the best musicians. It was actually a lot of shooters, the guys from Shooter's First Band, who now are in Nashville. So it's like these killer players, who I think are the best players in Nashville, but they're not like Nashville's go-to. Not like the guys that these pop dog shit guys go to and it's the guys who played on sturgill's first record and we and these guys leroy powell chris powell brian allen brian allen give him a shot real great musicians great fucking musicians there's some live versions that they did

they did you can have the crown live some radio station thing with uh just a very small group of them and you get to see like how good the the actual talent he's got sturgill's got a different band now that again i mean fuck sturgill's band now is fucking uh is killer i mean his music is so hard to pin down i was just it's funny too because you know we had a bit of a we had a fallen out recently and i i'm you couldn't find a bigger sturgill fan than me i just listened to his record on the way over here and it's a fucking masterpiece but he also won't fucking talk to me right now what happened well here's the thing i don't even mind talking about right i in an interview i said

that he was and but this is honestly what i believe. I think he is, and you're going to laugh when I say it, but I swear this is what I fucking believe. I think he's a paid CIA assassin. I'll just let that sink in for a second. I think he's taking motherfuckers out. And I confronted him about it. Where did you get this information? Well, let me tell you. A YouTube video?

No, no, no. See, like I said, I knew him back in Kentucky. And he goes, this fucker goes to the Navy, right? Right. That's true. He wasn't in the military. He works for the government. Imagine being in the Navy, and you look next to you, and some guy just picks up a guitar

and starts singing, and it's Sturgill Simpson. Imagine that. Right. There's no fucking way. Like, the greatest singer, guitarist, one of the best ones in the world right now. Would you agree with that? Oh, for sure.

He's just sitting next to you on a fucking boat. Right. And he decides, you know what? I want to leave the Navy. Well, he was young. But I'm saying, you can't just quit the Navy. Well, you do your term, you know? He didn't do his term.

He fucking left. Really? So he owes the government. Well, how long did he go? I don't know the fuck listen all my facts aren't together i'm gonna lie to you but he leaves can you do that i thought that's like you go a wall and then he didn't go a wall he's fucked so why is it i'm saying why is he fucking out oh well you should talk to alex jones about this well no but i'm telling i know

i'm not i don't need to talk to him i got the answer okay he's he leaves right right now i he all of a sudden out of, he just puts out the fucking records. So if you're in the government, you want to take some fuckers out. Right. Put their dick in the dirt. Like I'm saying, take those motherfuckers down. What's the best way to do it? And this has been done before by some other Hollywood stars.

You get the best country music artist alive, and you get them to kill people for you. Well, yeah, as a front, but who travels the most? Country music artists. Yeah, and you gotta have them legit because he's gotta go fucking play, right?

Check out Sturgill's tour. Now, here's what I'm gonna say right now. I know you're laughing at me. I see you both laughing at me. But this motherfucker has toured Europe fucking ten times.

He's toured England ten times. You ever heard of... Who's your favorite country music artist from England? They don't listen to fucking country music. They do listen to it, though. Well, they don't play and listen to it. He's going over there fucking killing people.

And this fucker's gone to... How many times... A lot. Yeah? You ever met a Japanese guy and you go, who's your favorite country artist? They don't go, you know, they don't go,

ah, fuck, ah, ah, ah, do, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah country arts they don't go like you know they don't go they don't listen to that shit he's over there taking motherfuckers out you go down his tour list and you check the check it with the papers of enemies of the state who've been taken out that shit fucking lines up does it i think it i wasn't the specifics i can't anyway i got a little stone and i thought this was what happened and i should have asked him about it, which is true. But... So you just started accusing him of being a CIA assassin? Well, I should have done it to his face. I did it on a couple radio shows.

And then... And this is probably going to break it open a little bit. But anyway, now he's... He won't... Why won't he confront me about it? Because it's true. Right. And why is this new album all about him...

You heard the record. It's just him talking to his son. Right. Because he's seeing shit at night. He's seen the shit. You know why do you write write an album? about This serious about Jill as like a serious talk to your child because you've seen shit go down you've seen motherfuckers Tell your he's just loves his kid No one does that no that's not a reason to make a record He's telling his kids warning him don't do what I did Okay

And he's a hired government assassin And I'm almost positive about this Do you worry that he's going to take you out Don't you worry he's going to take you out For exposing him That's why I'm talking about it Because now they know if he takes me out Then my story

will be true that's what that guy thought in russia remember that dude in russia that was talking shit about uh about putin he was uh like a political rival to putin and he thought because he was so public they'd never take him out they shot him with his girlfriend while he's with his girlfriend they shot him in front of a government building. That doesn't help my fucking anxiety with a story like that. Yeah, they'll just get you, dude. Especially if you go to Russia. Don't tour Russia. I don't know.

Well, I mean, again, my facts aren't like 100% together, but from what I've seen, why wouldn't he talk to me about it then? What would he say? Well, you know, people get testy when you call them killers. They get, you know, they feel bad. I don't know, man. You guys, I know, people get testy when you call them killers. They get, you know, they feel bad. I don't know, man. You guys, I mean, whatever. I think I'm on to something, but whatever.

Anyway, that's the thing about country music. You lose some friends. But him taking apart that I think he's a hired government killer, take that away. Okay, let's take that away. Take that away for the moment. But what you're saying about those guys like Sergio, it's bringing real country. It's actual country music. He didn't play on the radio either.

Jason Isbell, too. That guy, man. I've been listening to a lot of his shit lately. He's amazing. He's fucking great. Such a good writer, too. That's the guy, Dave, who did his records. Did my records.

Did it, too. There's a lot of great stuff coming out right now. See, this is the thing though it seems that music producers are a lot like television producers in that what they want to do is sell the most shit and like some of these people they're not necessarily it's not that they're not artists they're definitely artists they're creating music but they're creating music that they specifically want to sell a lot they want it it to hit with people. It's almost like they want to figure out how to press those buttons right. They want to put it in a nice,

juicy formula where they can press those buttons right, and they'll sell a lot of units. But a guy like Sturgill or a guy like Shooter Jennings, these guys are not doing that. What they're doing is expressing themselves. And then you get to find out who they actually are. And it's so much more interesting than the same canned bullshit. And the same canned bullshit's fine sometimes. I mean, sometimes I like listening to some stupid pop music song. Just for the fuck of it, who cares?

It's not the worst thing in the world. I think that's fine, too. But my actual, my even bigger, not even bigger issue, but speaking, like, I like fucking, not even bigger issue, but speaking, like I like fucking pop music just like you, but the country pop is fucking 20, is 30 years,

is, they're trying, I don't mind, like Sturgill's a good example of someone who's taken country and moving it forward. Yeah. These guys aren't,

they're adding beats from like the 80s and they're going backwards. You know, they're trying, I know people who go into studios of major country artists with one of those fucking...

Clicker things? Clicker things, and making sure it's the right... It's not made up. Making sure it's the right beats per minute, so slow it down, speed it up, to make sure we get on the radio. Oh, my God. So my goal with my record,

it's in that fucking crazy... It's weird. Like, that's... Imagine someone coming in here with one of those clickers that speed it up or slow down your... Like, you'd fucking kick them out of the room. Well, we've talked about this a hundred times. Like, if we actually had a network or a producer or an executive behind the show, it would have never worked.

No one would have ever let us do any of this stuff. How about we had arguments with people every day about some of the things we say? Totally. And that's why the podcast is so great and so big. And a lot of these podcasts, know it's it's the natural reaction when like you know radio turns to shit yeah podcasts had to happen because people were sick of bullshit radio and the same thing with country i went basically my goal was i said i gave him cash i said no one's touching this and i said i'm gonna make the best country record of

the year and i'm gonna make it completely unplayable. I don't want it to be able to be played anywhere. So when you're making an album like that, you're literally only listening. You're not thinking outside the room you're recording it in, because the assumption was nobody was going to fucking hear it. Right. So when you make an album that you assume nobody's going to hear, some interesting shit kind of happens. Yeah, it got fucking dirty. Don't get me wrong.

I mean, it went fucking X-rated. But it's fun fun man. It's fun. And what you said was true to like 20 years ago 15 10 years ago. This would have to be sold in the back of a nudie bag. Exactly. It's on iTunes It's on Amazon It's not like I said It's not Walmart you know how to give it to people and they would have had to start talking about it And then there was a few weren't there a few like dirty albums or guys would sing dirty songs back yeah down Co is the most famous I actually opened up two shows for day down Co and he's dirty no no he's a legit country artist and it's actually a real story it's interesting he um shell Silverstein was a the writer a country is it you know the kids children's book writer but he

also wrote country music he wrote Boy Named Sue for Johnny Cash somebody told me that that's true that's a real that's true he's recorded here and there so david onco was playing these really dirty these really dirty songs for shell silverstein and he goes you got to record this shit and you know i got a great record label i can't you know i can't this is the 70s i can't record i mean we're talking... Shit, I would... I consider myself an equal opportunity offender.

I'm a David Allen Coe fan. I mean, no disrespect. But he's 70. And I don't think he's a racist, because it comes up a lot. He gives crazy shit. But it was sold. He recorded it, obviously, off the radar. It was sold in the back of Biker Mags. And those albums, they got was sold in the, he recorded it obviously off the radar and it was sold

in the back of biker mags, you know, and those albums, they got to me in Kentucky, you know, like they get around, but it was just, it was a different machine behind it. Well, do you remember the jerky boys? Yeah. Yeah. You remember they had a, there was a cassette that you would get from people. That's how we all got the jerky boys. I remember getting that in Kentucky.

Just like, you got to hear this because we all used to do prank calls. Like you got to hear this shit. I think those guys did that shit all on their own and put the cassette i mean they probably did the didn't they do a movie like it probably went more mainstream but it went it went south there but again but what you're saying is totally right like and now you've got word of mouth times of that's how you end up on the billboard charts is when you got word of mouth plus the internet right which is instead of telling 10 friends you're actually telling a thousand friends and we're out selling you know my album came out the same week as a new winona judd record and sold more copies

and i'm from kentucky and i got nothing against i got nothing against the judds by the way i tell you i got in a twitter fight with winona whoa Whoa. For real? Yeah. Which one's the actress? That's her sister, Ashley. Okay. Winona looks like two Ashleys put together. Oh, rude. Yeah, that's not nice of me to say. I don't like these L.A. women.

I should say that. You like them thick? Yeah, I like them big. I like them a little thick. Yeah, I don't like these girls. They're too skinny. Because it's like the old days, you know? If you saw a girl that skinny... It's not healthy. Yeah, it was a sign of... Like those fat kings in the old days, you know, if you saw a girl that's skinny. It's not healthy.

Yeah, it was a sign of, like those fat kings in the old days, you know, were like, they let you know that they had fucking money. When I see a girl that's skinny, I think they're just using me for food. I wonder if women think that way. They see a guy who's real thin. Like, do they want a guy with a gut, secretly? They don't want to talk about it? Well, according to what I've seen in L.A., yeah.

Just eat what he wants. I mean, these girls look hungry. There's a lot of hungry girls in L.A. They don't want to talk about it. Well, according to what I've seen in LA, yeah. Just eat what he wants. I mean, these girls look hungry. There's a lot of hungry girls in LA. They are hungry. Well, they've been told that they have to be a fucking coat rack in order to be famous. But guys don't like that. Well, not only that, man. Watch television in other companies. Like, watch a television show in Columbia. All the girls have these big

thick-ass legs and big asses and big tits. They don't look anything like American women. And that's what fucking we whack off to. Exactly. Like, I've never Googled skinny chicks on my fucking... This is not healthy. I hate to bring it back to me, but I always do. Oh, please do.

But it goes to what we're talking about. Doing everything the opposite way. So a lot of these albums nowadays, they'll do a free stream the week before it comes out on NPR or Rolling Stone or wherever it was. And no one would play my shit. Of course. So I go, let's premiere the record on RedTube. Now, which one was it?

Like a porn site? Yeah. Or no, Pornhub was the one I did. Pornhub? I go Pornhub. I go, let's stream the album for free for the first week on Pornhub. All right.

I think maybe, listen, don't get me wrong, most people who went to Pornhub that week weren't looking to hear a country music record. Right. But still, you get 1% of that. They were there to whack off, and I'm'm whacking off listen to a good fucking record they had ads for my record no one's re it's like they basically said to me like let's just try it

out see what happens and they were so totally fucking cool about it it's like when you're looking for because this like they're like talking about these you know npr's app what's that 10,000 people like how'd you like to reach every fucking man on earth who wax off oh yeah that sounds interesting to me that sounds like an audience i'd like to get in with do you ever look at ads when you whack off though i don't even know what they are here's my i don't even notice them i go full screen immediately no my theory though is when you my face is up there and you're whack if you jizz right when you see my face you ain't forgetting that face for the rest of your fucking life it's a good point you have a very distinct distinct look, and then if you went to a video that you really enjoyed,

and then your face was off to the side of it, it could get confusing. Well, yeah, it clicked right to the fucking record. Yeah, that's like some Manchurian candidate type shit. Yeah, that's how I'm thinking Sturgill like here. Dude, I see what you're saying. You just get in their head. Yeah. I wonder what are the real raw numbers, Like how many people jerk off to those porn sites

Well I mean they told me It was like It has to be insane It was literally hundreds of millions Well they're like you know Isn't that fucking crazy Well what's crazy is it's in the dark If there was any other fucking website that had hundreds of millions of hits

We'd be talking about it all the time Exactly well that's the thing They gave me their numbers and and they were just like, they weren't even that, because they know the numbers, so to them it's not a big deal. Do you know how crazy that is? I go, compare yourself to other sites. I go, what's it like compared to Craigslist?

That was the only thing I said. They go, oh, we're bigger than Craigslist. I go, what about CNN? We go, we're bigger than CNN. They're bigger than all those guys combined. Why the fuck am I the only one thinking to put ads on Pornhub? And they go, because the corporations

won't, this is back to me paying for it and owning it myself. I go, I can do whatever. We've asked the movie studios, we've asked the record companies,

they won't fucking put ads on our fucking sites. And I go, I'll fucking do it. That's hilarious. And they go, who do you have to talk to to do it? And I go, you're talking to the fucking guy. You don't have people. That's hilarious. And they go, who do you have to talk to to do it?

And I go, you're talking to the fucking guy. You don't have people. That's the whole love, the whole great thing about doing this. Let's test it out. But you must have people swooping in on you now. Because what we were talking about earlier, that Nashville right now, I don't want to say it like I'm a fucking investigator. I've been studying Nashville.

Here's my conclusion. I'll bet you know the big picture, though. It's money. It's just like television shows. If you want to watch those terrible two-and-a-half-men style television shows, why do you think they're making those things? Because people are buying them. They're gobbling them up.

There's a certain frequency that you can hit when you make really dull, bland stuff, and people like that. There's a lot of people that like that. So they know how to do it, and they bang it out. And I think that's what's happening with producers producers but it's not what the public wants and that's why you're getting these shows like madman or you know walking dead or you know the the game of thrones you're getting these interesting shows that are so much different than all these formulaic bullshit shows that have been on television forever and because people are changing they have to they have to adapt to the fact that people have too

many options now. They don't have to just eat your spoon-fed bullshit. Totally. That's just going on with the radio. That's like, you know, listen, the girl who dumped me, and I'm telling you, she's not a bitch, but when she left, in my head, I'm thinking, fuck you. As any guy would, fuck you, bitch. I go, why do I have to cover up that emotion that I felt after the song for some fucking

record label? So I just sang fuck you, bitch. Of course, everyone, the studio guys are playing drums like, what the fuck's wrong with this How many hits does that video have on YouTube? It's something insane. No, it's not that. I mean, we're still at the very beginnings. I mean, what's so crazy is, you know, the amount of records I've sold and these rooms I'm playing, we've still only reached a fret.

They've been out for eight weeks, man. Yeah, it's pretty early. But there's this band, Florida Georgia Line, who, by the way, just blocked me on Twitter because I was talking so much shit about them. Florida George? Florida Georgia Line. Florida Georgia Line. They should be called Florida George. And they're one of the bigger acts in country.

And listen, I'm sure I heard later they were nice guys after I ripped on them for fucking nonstop for fucking 72 hours, but I don't give two fucks about making fun of this bullshit pop country that I call, you know,

that I talked about before, so I'll fucking rip on. Is that pop country? They have wallet chains. I had a wallet chain until recently. Okay, listen,

I mean, you tell me right now those dudes ain't about to jack each other off. They're trying to get some pussy. They look good. They ain't trying Okay, listen to that. I mean, you tell me right now those dudes ain't about to jack each other off. They're trying to get some pussy. They look good. They ain't trying to get no fucking pussy. Hold on.

Go back to that, Jamie. That's two guys trying to get pussy? The guy over his right shoulder, no. That guy's not getting pussy. But in his defense, he might have already gotten some pussy, or he might be in the deck. Oh, he's in post-pussy mode. Yeah, he could be like, I just nutted so hard today. I don't give a fuck.

I just want to eat some Cheetos and take a nap. That's very possible. But, yeah, I mean, he's in post-pussy mode. Yeah, he could be like, I just nutted so hard today. I don't give a fuck. I just want to eat some Cheetos and take a nap. That's very possible. Yeah, I mean, that's... The guy at the right doesn't know what the fuck's going on. The guy at the far right with the glasses, with the gray shirt, he's just like hoping one day it's all going to make sense. He just wants the checks to cash. Yeah, he's hoping one day it's all going to make sense.

But right now he's baffled. He's like, what is on the radio? And here's the thing. If it makes people happy and people like this fucking crap... I like their medallions. They're fake soldiers. I got nothing against it, but I'm also the only fucking dude in Nashville talking shit about

him and Sam Hunt, this guy who fucking raps. Why does that guy have a dog tag on? Go back to that, please, Jamie. He's got a diamond-encrusted dog tag. That should be... That's like some stolen Valor shit. Maybe he works for the CIA, too. I mean, that is the exact opposite of what a fucking dog tag is.

A dog tag is aluminum, and it represents a memory of someone who died in the war. This is a dog tag-shaped, diamond-encrusted thing. This is hilarious. Oh, you mean the real dog tags aren't diamond encrusted? Is that what you're trying to say? That's what I'm trying to say. This is literally like the devil is selling us a band. Yeah, but this is the thing.

This is what they're selling. So you wonder why I'm pissing off Music Row. Well, here's the reason. Because that fucking band has blocked Wheeler Walker Jr. on Twitter. Well, it's probably someone handling their shit. Well, whatever it is. And again, I've heard they're nice enough guys, but there's people writing the music for them.

There are people producing it for them. Are you sure? Well, let me just use that message. Let me just say it in broader terms. Listen, the other thing you know is the other reason I think people dig me is because I don't give a fuck if what I'm saying is true or not. I just say the shit. But the pop country dog shit that's on country radio with Florida Georgia Line, Sam Hunt, and all this other shit.

I mean, listen. I wish I could listen to some of it. I don't know what it sounds like. It sounds like what Steve Earle said. They're handsome guys. They're dreamy. I think you're hating. Fuck yeah, I'm hating.

I'm trying to sell records. Go back to them, Jamie. Look at the one with the gold bullion. He's got a gold bullion around his neck. Some shit Columbus took over in the Santa Maria go back to him No, the one the original picture that you had Jamie these guys are beautiful. There he goes. Look at the gold bullion around his neck Handsome they look like they'd be wonderful to hang out with yeah And you think those two guys know what it's like to have loved and lost and those guys saying been down that dirt road, sir

They've got their fingers dirty and everything. They have hand sanitizer in their back pocket right now. No, ain't no girl dumping those dudes with gold-crusted medallions. They dump them. Girls are crazy. No way. They don't even appreciate what's in front of them. You want to hear some fucking, you know, some heartbreak.

You listen to me, not these two fucking good-looking dudes. Well, for heartbreak music, I would say the dude with the red and black striped shirt is not going to give you what you're looking for. Yeah, probably not. I think it's just the two dudes. He wishes he was in The Cure, but they're not taking anybody new.

You know what's funny? I'll bet the two guys in the front, I'll bet they haven't even met the band. What if they become my favorite band, though? We're talking all this mad shit, but I haven't listened to their band. What if they become my favorite band, though? We're talking all this mad shit, but I haven't listened to their music. What if we play their music right now, and I'm like, oh my god, I love them? Fuck it, I'll see you later. I'll leave.

I'll leave right here. No, play it. Can we hear some? Well, I gotta tell you. Oh, you'll get in trouble, yeah. Yeah, we'll probably get pulled from YouTube, right? How do we do this? You know what? How about this? Play a little bit. YouTube can't hear it. Okay, YouTube. Anybody listening to this on YouTube, what's the song?? I can play a little bit. You can play a little? YouTube can't hear it. Okay, YouTube.

Anybody listening to this on YouTube, what's the song? Just tell us what the song is. But the people on the podcast can hear it, right? Is that how it goes? The first one that popped up is called Confession. Jamie might have to do some editing. We're going to get pulled. Can't be using that shit.

It's called Confession. It's weird. Here we go. Florida, Georgia line. Confession. Seven million. Go fuck yourself. Seven million views. Now, compare that to Sturgill's.

But keep playing. This guy's keeping it real. keep playing. This guy's keeping it real. Now hear that drum or whatever that is? Oh, that beat. Is that a beat machine? Yeah, he's doing rap. He's rapping. Now you tell me this is country music.

Honestly. It's weird. It's pop music. It's like a poppy, hip-hoppy. Yeah, they're doing a lot of hip-hop movements with their hands. It's all like they're stealing from black people. It's cultural appropriation. We should end it. We should end. Listen, white people have never stopped stealing from black people.

They're not going to stop. They're moving into country music. Was he right, though? It's rap for people who are scared of black people. That's 100% rap for people who are scared of black people. But catchy tune. gonna stop they're moving into country music was he right though it's it's it's it's yeah it's it's rap for people who are scared of black people that's 100% rap for people that are scared of black people but catchy tune probably sold well obviously it did well so a lot fucking more than me but i'm not like i said i'm the only one who's and you were saying people coming at me which has been happening some but for the most part they don't want to piss off the real money makers so

they don't want to be associated with that it seems like there's a lot of country music that's sort of reinforcing a mindset and it's one of the only music genres that reinforces a mindset and that mindset is i'm a simple person i got a nice truck i got a good dog i got a woman but someone broke my heart or maybe i love you maybe i die for you there's like all these like really noble and really uh really like like iconic like country music themes and and uh iconic country music ideas that get pushed in these and they just get repeated over and over and over again it's in reinforcing the benefits of living in a rural environment it's reinforcing being near nature and rivers and shit like that but it's also reinforcing being dumb it's reinforcing like it's all god you gotta

have god involved there's a lot of god involved and there's some of that shit that i listen to where i go this can't be real i don't think sergiogil Simpson is a CIA assassin, but I've listened to some country music songs where I go, okay, this is a fucking cyber plot. This is the government is trying to figure out how to get into people's minds

and make them dumber. Well, the other thing too is as a guy from, and I'm with you 100%, Right, it seems like it. It feels like it was made

to brainwash us. It's a psyops. Is that what they call those things? The government's just created super popular music that enforces the idea of being stupid. Totally. But also as a guy from Kentucky,

like I grew up in Kentucky, most of my family's from Tennessee, and it makes me look like a fucking dumbass that like, this is what people, this is not what the South is. I got a lot of really, all my friends are from the South. Yeah,

well, the South's great, man. I love performing in the South. It's the fucking greatest, but you see this and and that's what reinforces, not only cultural appropriation, it's reinforcing stereotypes. So I'm going in there and making some real, I actually would have less of a problem if they just called that pop music. Yeah, it's pop music. Why call it?

Because it's pop music with an accent, and that accent is what makes it country. But it's also, there's very little bragging. It's not like with an accent, and that accent is what makes it country. But it's also, they don't, there's very little bragging. It's not like hip-hop. Hip-hop is like a lot about bragging. You know, there's a lot of like, what am I going to do to you? It's safe hip-hop, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of what am I going to do to you, there's a lot of what I own.

Yeah. What am I going to do to your girl? There's all that stuff. This is, yeah, totally. Yeah, this is like, I'm together with you forever. Yeah. I'm never going to leave you. I'm never, I appreciate you.

And they're backstage, you know, fucking. Doing blow, banging guys. Jacking each other off. Just 69 and spinning in a circle. That's the tweet that got me blocked, I think. Yeah, that'll do it. They're probably not. They're probably nice guys.

I heard they were nice guys, but it has nothing. And if they are listening, which they're not. It's a great job. I'm sure they're happy. All of them are doing great, but it's not them personally. It's just that machine that Nashville's putting out that I'm so against. And I decided that it pisses me off that country music, which I love so much. And I love, but that's not the stuff.

We've been talking, you know, my heroes, Waylon and Willie. Johnny Cash. And Johnny Cash. and Merle just passed away. And like the Luven Brothers just passed away. Luven Brothers do this country I used to love and they're singing about, they have this album, Satan is Real. It almost looks like a joke, but it's like. But they're serious? But they're serious.

Satan is Real? But they're real, but they're talking about, you know, the struggle of the devil versus... That's interesting to me. Okay, yeah, I know what you're saying. They know... It's hard to sing what I sing and talk about that. But if they're talking about the struggle between the two sides, then maybe I can listen. But if you're just talking about this, this is pop music.

This ain't country. So that's why I decided not to censor myself on the record. It's like, if I'm going to do real country, it ain't going to get played on country radio no matter what I do. Doesn't matter anymore, though, does it? It seems like... Please check this, because I'm not sure if it's true. Some of the comedy store was saying that CBS

is unloading all of its radio properties. They are... They're currently exploring options on what to do with their stuff. I don't know that it's officially happening or anything like that. Nobody listens to the radio. It sounds like shit that it's officially happening or anything like that. Yeah, well, who would be listening to... Nobody listens to the radio. It sounds like shit.

It's not nearly as good as a CD or an MP3 in your car, right? But how's that HD radio? Is that okay? I've never heard it. But if this was a radio show, what would I be on here for? Two and a half minutes? Maybe. And it would be censored.

You couldn't talk about the record. And then we would have to say, traffic brought to you by Petco. Do you have a cute little dog or a kitten? Go to Petco. Get them ground up murdered animals. We'll be right back. Yeah, we'd have to do those breaks. I've done a couple of those

because country radio literally won't have me on. So I did a couple of terrestrial, whatever they call it, rock stations because they were kind of into it. So he's got a new album called Redneck Stuff. You know, it's like they can't even say it. So then people, it doesn't even help me because they were kind of into it so he's got a new album called redneck stuff you know it's like they can't even say exactly so then people it doesn't even help me because they go on itunes they can't find the name of the record do you remember that silo green song fuck you that they turned into forget you and they kept kept going you knew you would hear it somewhere

and you would go you fucking why did you make a second version of this what did you do okay that's my thing is because i've been asked the other thing, which, you know, you were kind of getting to. I have been asked many times to make censored versions of these songs, and back to me owning it. No, it ain't happening. I can't believe the talk's so low, I know it.

Well, but when you're on a major label and they're paying for all your shit, you know. Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. When you're on tour, and that's the other thing where I was talking about, I ain't touring until I got an audience, but someone like him, and he's on tour with a giant band,

and the record company's fronting the bill, but he's gotta end up paying it back. Right. Fuck yeah, you're gonna put out the censored version. Yeah. But if you're not, you know, if no giant corporation's behind me, like, this is all, you know,

this is my label. I could take it off the market today if I wanted to. I'm not going to because I'm on a big podcast here. I want to sell some fucking records. But I could. Well, I think what's happened with this is a lot. There's a lot going on on the internet with people just making stuff and selling stuff. Just whatever it is.

There's people that are doing... Louis C.K. is doing that Horace and Pete show. I heard he, what did he say on Stern? Did you hear about that? Spent all his money making this Horace and Pete show himself and he's selling it on his website. Just because he wanted to do it. But also he wanted to do it himself.

Exactly. He wanted to have nobody involved. Just making it all himself. That's really, isn't that the, and same thing with your pocket. Isn't that the lesson, really? Yeah. Why not only do things if you're willing to put up your own fucking money?

Two and a half men, or you were talking about that kind of shit. Well, fuck yeah, I'll make it. If the whole thing's a bust, I lose zero. Yeah. If this is a bust, I lose a lot of money. You lose money if your podcast goes up, you know? It's also, they make it seem so easy. Like, if you're going to do a record with some major label, they're gonna take

care of everything. Wheeler, don't you worry about a thing. Guys with a big cigar is gonna get in the elevator with you, bring you up to the top floor. You're gonna glad hand a bunch of people. We're really behind this record, Wheeler. We love you. Oh my god, I'm a fan. I listened to your stuff in the car. I was crying, laughing. Ha ha ha ha ha. When are you performing? We'd like to see you when you're coming

to town. Just total bullshit you. You leave, and then another guy goes in, they do the same fucking thing. They don't really give a when are you performing we'd like to see you when you're coming to town just total bullshit you you leave and then another guy goes in they do the same fucking thing they don't really give a fuck about you

they hope that you make some money and they'll kind of protect I mean maybe they like you but most likely they just like you as a product

ain't got nothing to do with it exactly when they heard the record and I went to the top of the top of those big record companies and I sat there

and they were loving it blah blah blah but also we gotta we got to cut this song and we got to take this line out and i the second they said that i just sat in the room fucking deal you know yeah i took the meetings i figured it's worth taking you know i'll listen to them but that's what and i will tell you this and this is a credit to the producer dave when he told me told me how much it cost, and listen, it was pretty much all the money I had,

but the amount of money that it cost to make a record in 2016 is not that much fucking money when you look at it. Right. To sell your fucking... The labels will make it cost a million by charging you all that fucking bullshit and ordering pizzas every day that you don't want. You know, hiring all these big gun players and shit.

People are making albums on their fucking computer. It doesn't, it don't cost shit. You know, I went a little higher. But even that, my jaw dropped when he told me the price. It was, and I don't want to say, you know, say the number, but it was. How come? Because I don't want to put him in a... You know, like, I don't want people to come to him like,

oh, you charged him so-and-so and all that. And also, since then, he's also... His last record... I mean, he's sold millions of records since then, so I'm sure his price is going up. But he's also... I'm not sure if some... If he loved an artist, he'd record them for fucking free.

But if he's some big label... You know, he'll take whatever... You know. Well, our music producers, in a lot of ways, a lot like musicians in that they love, they enjoy making good stuff. And I know a lot of musicians, they'll do each other's albums.

They essentially do it for free. They go and they'll do a cameo on each other's shit. He's the biggest, I mean, yeah, I mean, I can't say enough. I almost feel guilty mentioning him because he's, you know, he does some good shit that's selling a lot. I don't want to talk about him producing this dirty shit, but he did such a fucking amazing job.

He's such a music fan. He's kind of from the South like me. I've noticed that people like that, people like Sturgill, Shooter, we all had the same kind of music-wise upbringing, which was grew up in the same kind of music wise, same kind of upbringing which was grew up in the south, country music everywhere and you're like fuck this I'm not listening to Friends in Low Places or whatever you start listening to Zeppelin, you start listening to

rock and you start going to all this other it's all the exact same thing and then you come back to Waylon didn't become Waylon until he was late 30s at least, like that's not music for kids, you know, there's a reason why I didn't get Waylon until he was late 30s at least like that that's not music for kids you know there's a reason why I didn't get Waylon when I was 11 and you get older and you listen to it and you're like now I fucking get you come back

around to it and that's what happened to a lot of me and my friends like this is as real and as fucking dark and as you know as bare bones as any fucking Zeppelin I ever heard. I love Zeppelin, too.

It's the same shit, but that kind of shit is not available anymore. It's legit. It's legit if it's a rock song. The Black Keys are legit. There's bands that are just legit. You listen to their shit and you just go, wow. And then there's stuff that you listen to that even if you enjoy it, you know it's heavily produced and someone created it in a pop factory

And it just doesn't it doesn't hit you the same way and the crazy thing is too is like You listen to someone like you really got to see and I hate to use it, but like I Know Sturgill just example we're using you got to see him alive because nowadays They can make anybody sound that he doesn't use it's like an auto-tune but when you see him live you go holy shit he was just singing on the record yeah i could sing you know i could go sing some auto-tune yeah with auto get up you got the look you got everything you need some like peter frampton shit remember we used to do do you feel like i do he was like

the first guy to use auto-tune was that auto-tune i think that was a different thing a vocal you know that thing with the guitar like yeah i don't think that was a vocal, you know, that thing with the guitar. Yeah. I don't think that was on. What do you do? But, I mean, no, I've had people. What was it? It's called a talk box. A talk box. All right.

I had a friend who worked, who auto-tuned a major country pop star. Whoa. And he said my voice was fucking better. Congratulations. And I said, who looked better? And I didn't. I won't tell you the answer. You don't get a response.

Well, I think there's nothing wrong with making those two and a half men shows. There's nothing wrong with what we're talking about. But as far as what interests me, I'm not interested in those poppy songs. It's just, it goes in my head and my head just starts rejecting it. Like, oh, you're eating plastic. Get it out of there. You know, it's like you could live for like a few a few days off hostess cupcakes if you wanted to you could probably live for a month oh but just hostess cupcakes i wouldn't recommend it though yeah i

would i would definitely not recommend that i mean that'd be fucking how long your brain your brain would probably fucking you probably no no protein no vitamins how long could you live off hostess cupcakes that's gotta be the equivalent of just going without food, right? That would be a really interesting experiment. Yeah, they should do that. You know what we could do that? Red Band. Red Band would be willing to do that.

What's that Super Size Me guy? He did, oh, he just ate fast food. He did fast food, but if someone just ate Hostess cupcakes. I feel like a lot of people just eat fast food. That doesn't really count. That's normal. Yeah. Well, some people, I mean, I don't know, people have criticized that show, that movie, Super Size Me.

Like all of his liver damage and all that stuff. They're like, come on. Yeah, well, I remember he threw up on day one. I'm like, people go to fast food all the time. They don't fucking barf. But wasn't he like a vegan or something before that? He was like super healthy before that. I'm sure he was a vegan chef or something.

Yeah. But also, I always get pissed when I see a movie like that. And they're like, and in conclusion, fast food is not good for you. I'm like, oh, thanks. Any more fucking brain busters? Well, not only that, they say don't eat it every day. You're not supposed to eat it every day. Fast food is supposed to be a guilty thing that you eat when you've got no time to do anything else.

Like, you want to just pull in the Burger King? All right, fuck it. Let's do this. That's what it's supposed to be. Twice a year you get hung over and you go to fucking Jack in the Box. Jack in the Box. Fine. It's no big deal.

The people there aren't thinking they. Jack in the Box. Fine. It's no big deal. The people there aren't thinking they're slinging health food. Yeah. Well, they're trying to catch up to that now, though. You see McDonald's has salads. What? Can you imagine how nasty that is? Oh, my God.

Their salad. What does it taste like? Like Fukushima lettuce? What if it was the best salad you've ever had? It's possible. It is totally possible. Like you just only, like, they're a new sponsor on your fucking show. Yeah.

Have you ever had any big corporate sponsors on here? No. No. But I prefer to do it the way we're doing it, too. Mostly companies that sell things only online. Like Squarespace and stuff like that. Oh, I think. The website development company.

I've gotten emails from, I think they do my website. Well, you can make your own website on them. It's super easy to do. But there's like a lot of companies that they're using the internet now and using podcasts as sponsors because they don't have to have a store. They don't have to have like a retail place. They don't have to have a bunch of employees that wear an ambicrobian fit spray. They can just sell stuff online I think

someone was telling me at the place that distributes the record that 80 or something more percent of my albums sold have been iTunes and Amazon

because people can't find there's no way the stores aren't carrying it and no one can find it and when I was a kid and when you were a kid if you

even if word of mouth got to you about this record, you couldn't buy it. In Kentucky, I went to the record store. I remember someone was telling me about the Velvet Underground. I was like, I've got to go hear Velvet Underground. So I went to this local record store in Lexington, and they look it up in the catalog. They're like, yeah, it'll be four weeks,

and we'll get it to you. It'll be four weeks to hear what this band sounds like so then you had to buy from a catalog yeah they had a catalog of all every record because no one in there's buying it so why would they order it wow so you have to order it and then you just have to buy and listen to it because you're not going to hear it anywhere well that's what that to me is the big thing that's changed music like i used to again i was you know even lexington which is not that small of a town you're an island really so you would get rolling stone you read about like the jesus lizard i don't know if you remember that band really hardcore they're really cool and i remember the guy writing

about the jesus lizard and rolling stone said that they're like the real this is not a joke these fuckers are fucking crazy and it's the craziest music whatever they said got me wanting to listen to it nowadays you read that you don't need the article you just click on the fucking music right but i had to wait weeks to fucking hear this shit there's you can't press on the fucking article and yeah it's like the mystery of it's gone but that being said the positive is that i can actually sell my my record fuck the mystery it's all positives to me. You can sell your record. Also that like people could start talking about you through Twitter and Facebook and things along

those lines and it just spreads across the whole country like that. Well can you imagine even 10 years ago or if not more like I'm banned from Walmart. Imagine getting that call 10 years ago. Devastating. Devastating. This wasn't even it doesn't even matter.

Of course you're going to be banned from Walmart. It's a badge of honor. Yeah, I don't, I think they probably, it's just like, they just, they probably banned 50 other records today.

They probably banned everything. Yeah. They banned so much shit. But there's this whole, what you were talking about, all this shit they feed you, there's, and listen,

it ain't going to sell a million fucking copies, but there's a, people, there's a section of, you know, the audience that wants real shit, but there's a section of the audience that wants real shit. And there's a section of people are sick. I'm sick of the fucking radio. I just want to hear Joe talk to somebody in a fucking conference.

Listen, I'm sure you still do radio, promote shows and shit like that. I don't do radio anymore. You don't? You stopped? I do Kevin and Bean because they're friends. Oh, yeah. I did their charity thing recently. They're awesome. Most of the time, I'm not doing that much radio anymore.

That's awesome. I talk too much already. I don't want to talk more. First of all, I'm jealous, but second of all, it's awesome that you've got a big enough platform that you don't have to do it. Yeah, it's super fortunate. But, I mean, it's not that I didn't enjoy doing some radio,

but the problem is, for us, it's in the morning. Like, for me, it's always at, like, 6 o'clock in the morning or 7 o'clock in the morning. You're preaching the convertible. Like, I've got to get up. I've had to, you know, get up at 7 to do fucking radio. This idea that you can only listen to it at a specific time is so fucking stupid. Like, you don't have to do that anymore. We have a way better way of getting stuff out.

It's so funny you said that. It's so dumb. It's like, who are they fooling? Exactly. Why do you think... Podcasts were going to happen no matter what happened. It was just about... I don't know who fucking started, but it had to happen.

Because people want to listen to what they want to listen to. And when you fucking start up your car again, you want to listen where you left off. And it just syncs up to your car. That's not rocket science. Not only that, you get it with one press of a button. I can go to my podcast. I can go to the podcast app on iTunes. I look at the podcast.

I say, oh, Wheeler Walker Jr. Boom. I touch it. I can do all this at a red light. And then my car, the light turns green, I start driving, and I'm listening to you. Like that. It's just so easy. And remember the old days you'd go, you know, oh, Stern interviewed Chris Rock.

You missed it. Yeah. Why? What are we leaving? How did I miss it? Like, that's not the world we live in anymore. You know? So fucking get with the times.

So there's a lot of people still clinging on to the old, you know, how things, like you said, people need to watch a show at a certain time or listen to the radio. Yeah. Like, drive time, what the fuck? Who listens to radio on the fucking drive in the morning? Well, the first thing that switched it up was Sirius XM. Because when Sirius, when it was XM, and Opie and Anthony were on, and Howard Stern was on, and what they figured out when they were doing this was like, look, we don't have to have any censorship.

We can just say whatever the fuck we want. But they started getting in trouble, too. Like Opie and Anthony got banned off the air once because they brought in a homeless guy and he started talking about banging Condoleezza Rice. Oh, yeah, one of them. I did Opie and Anthony. They were cool. One of them, but it's not

Opie and Anthony. No, now it's Opie and Jimmy. Yeah, they were cool too. Anthony's got his own thing now. He's got Anthony radio. But I remember it was funny too because i think you're right about that sirius xm was a big thing because i remember when how when stern who i used to listen to who by the way i didn't listen to later because kentucky my hometown didn't have stern going on but i started listening to him and i loved him and i said he's going to satellite radio

where he can say whatever he wants right and they're like well he's not going to be as funny half the fun is listening to him trying to talk around it. And then you listen and you go, that's such a fucking, it's so much fucking funnier when he's not, when he's just saying it. That idea that it's more fun to be censored is so stupid.

I always love when people prove theories wrong, you know? That's a dumb theory, though. That's like a big time thing. But I heard, didn't you hear that all the time? I heard that all the fucking time. I never heard that.

I used to hear that about comedy, but I was always like, whatever. Sam Kinison and Richard Pryor are my all-time favorites like how the fuck can you tell me who's funnier than richard pryor nobody was funny than richard pryor and how could you tell me that beating around the bush would be better than what pryor was doing you can't you can't even say you have to be quiet maybe it was more in the south but i kept hearing you know now that he's not got like the fcc to fight against and he can you know the fun was him trying to get around the census and you really listen to it you go it's so much

fucking better now that you know yeah that's bullshit just to be free completely free to express yourself without any worry about a word that's gonna get you fine for hundreds of thousands of dollars you gotta remember like he got he got sued by the FCC right like he owed me into task he had to go to a court over that shit And they wound up Finding him like ungodly amounts of money And there was nobody out there with him When he was doing that

That's one of the reasons why I'll never Criticize that guy He's like one of the most important pioneers When it comes to radio Like if it wasn't for that guy And going out there like that and getting sued And having That was all

during the fucking Bush administration, man, where they were, those John Ashcroft fucking, yeah, those John Ashcroft fucks, man. That guy was scary. All these people that were trying, there was a lot of religious shit behind it. Well, they'll be shitting their boots over this fucking record, too. Oh, well, they would be dying over that record. But he got sued. I mean, he actually had to spend real money and real stress

Imagine the government trying to take you out all you are is a dirty morning radio guy and the fucking Government's trying to take you out you fucking probably paranoid shit shit get paranoid you fucking should be paranoid What does it say here Jamie? They're all the different fines. He had to pay you from 1990 So it says he paid him if Yeah, some of them got paid. This isn't probably the initial fines that they started as either, but I think this is what they got whittled down to. Well, let's read them off.

1990, he got fined $6,000 from the FCC. 1992, he got fined $105,000 from the FCC. 1992, again, he got fined $600,000. 1993, he got fined $600,000. 1993, he got fined $500,000. 1993, he got fined $73,000, $37,000, $400,000 in 94, $200,000 in 94. Holy fuck. And then it just keeps going on and on and on. It'll be the last one right there.

Yeah, $495,000 in 2004. 2000 and fucking four. Isn't that fucking insane? That's during the Bush administration. After 9-11, he got fined $495,000. Half a million dollars in fines for saying bad words. Wasn't even saying bad words. He didn't even say bad words.

He didn't swear. That's what was crazy. What was it? Just topic, subject matter. Like talking about farts or piss or shit or something like that. It was so crazy. It was such a crazy time. If I were to say that to someone who didn't know,

they would think, oh, you mean the 50s or the 40s? This is fucking 2004. 2004. And if he didn't go through that, if there wasn't this backlash from the public finding out about it, because everybody I know that heard about it was like, what? How are they wasting our fucking money suing him over a radio show that, by the way,

has 20 million people listening to it every morning. It's pretty obvious that people are enjoying this radio show, and when they stop enjoying it, it'll go off the air. That's what the fucking free market is about. But it wasn't about that. What it was about is controlling someone. Because it wasn't just his dirty shit. That's not what concerned them as much as his criticism of the Bush administration,

his criticism of political policies administration, his criticism of political policies, and his willingness to say whatever the fuck he wants. He was a dangerous guy. He had too much power. You think him, you think that's what kind of started podcasts? You think that? No, I don't think that's what started podcasts. But I think that

for him, that started the journey eventually to XM. Like he had to, to Sirius, whatever it was at the time. He had to. Like, they were fucking with him constantly, all the time. Like, I don't think he gets enough credit for that. It's insanity, man. Yeah, well, he's...

What is this? He's a hero, man. In 2004, what he got fined for. Talk for sphinctering a product for maintaining anal and genital hygiene. So it's a gag. That guy, Jack Thompson Thompson was going after him. He was doing those things after video games and stuff too, if you remember. Oh, the Tennessee guy?

Yeah. Activist and attorney Jack Thompson supplied the FCC with show transcripts. Oh, God. That's what... Listen, I don't need... That's not what I pay my fucking... Well, nobody did. Government officials to do.

I guarantee you a lot of it was about controlling a powerful guy. Because he had talked about running for governor. Remember? Remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But he was going to have to disclose how much money he made. And that's when he decided not to do it.

I wonder if he would do that now. Because now everybody knows he's got hundreds of millions of dollars. I wonder if it would even bother him. I feel like the people running now, they haven't disclosed shit. Well, Trump has. Trump says he's worth more than he actually is. That's what's hilarious about him. I know, but I'm saying, have we seen the actual...

Well, Bernie Sanders just released his tax returns, and his tax returns said that he made less money last year than Hillary Clinton did for one single speech. Holy shit. He made $200,000, and she's made as much as, I think, $290,000 for one speech. Maybe even in the threes for one speech. I wonder how she negotiates that. I'll release my fucking returns. How much money I lost. How many seats

is this? It's about 400 seats. Okay. I wound up, like, you know, a quarter million bucks. What? I just told you there's, like, 400 seats. Like, how much are we charging these people? Are we going to pay you that? $225, I think. I don't take that. Pearl Jam fighting over ticket prices,

making sure they don't get to be $25, and now people are paying $250,000 to watch a speech. Well, that is obviously just bribery money. It's just bizarre that she won't release the transcripts of the bribery money speeches. Anytime you don't want to release something, it's always bad. Exactly. That's not good.

Imagine what she said. They're probably sacrificing babies and shit and lighting owls on fire they probably had an effigy and they were sturgill's probably all over them papers probably he was probably one of the reasons why she kept her mouth shut well you know what if it keeps if it keeps his albums coming out i'm all for it yeah whatever he's got to do man there's a lot of people that need to be shot right well yeah i think no no he's not taking out the good guys. Exactly. He's taking out enemies of the state. That's what's up, dude.

He's like a Showtime drama series assassin type guy. Oh, maybe they'll make that show. Can you imagine if that was a show? Sturgill Simpson just running around. It was like, do you remember that movie where the guy from the gong show, Chuck? Oh, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Yeah.

I thought that was cool. It was kind of crazy. I was half out of it watching that movie in a hotel room in Vegas. And I remember like falling asleep. I just remember it was crazy. But he wasn't really worried. He thought he was worried for the government. Yeah, but it was really weird.

It was like, what is this? Like, I remember reading a passage from it, too. Like, it's a book. And I remember reading the passage going, what is this? Is this fake? Was he on drugs? Like, this i didn't i never got into it we were talking speaking of that shit talking about you know first amendment you know freedom fighters one of the a major hero and people don't know about it from kentucky's own mr larry flint he did a lot of i don't think people realize how important there was that movie made out of it. Yeah. But I don't think, and he's, and people, you get laughed at when you say Larry Flint is a hero of yours.

Because he's like, oh, because you love Hustler. And, you know, I love Nick. But it's not what I'm talking about. No, freedom of speech, man. He did more for freedom of speech than probably anyone alive right now. That, you had to be as fucking crazy as he took that shit to the supreme court because he was fucking insane and he was rich as fuck and he didn't give yeah it was a perfect amount it was a perfect timing too because this is before porn hit the internet and the money kind

of eroded yeah you know back then he was selling those magazines he was rich from selling magazines he was gonna lose everything because of a fucking joke. Yeah, he really was. When I first came to LA, I remember seeing that building. That Flint Publications building. It's just an enormous fucking huge office building. Some of the...

I've met him briefly. I know some of his family members back in Kentucky. But yeah, it's an empire, but also I think when he dies, it'll come out. They'll be talking about it. You know, it'll be the jokey national news shit. But there'll be some really interesting

fucking pieces written about what he actually did because he really, he changed everything. Like, this album, literally, I couldn't make this album without Larry. I agree. And I think that what was going on with him at the same time as what was going on with Howard Stern, they were all real similar. It was real similar. And the government was trying to decide what people could and couldn't do.

And the people that didn't get defended were the dirty ones. Totally. The dirty magazine guy, the dirty radio guy. For whatever reason, they didn't get defended. If a journalist is getting attacked like that for revealing the truth about something, people would be up in arms. The intellectuals would be up in arms. But nobody recognized that it's just as dangerous to tell people that they can't jerk off to Hustler as it is to tell a political dissident that he can't speak out. And that's what they said at the trial.

I mean, the Ed Norton guy who played him, he's like, this has nothing to do with whether you like Hustler or not. It's no different than any free speech trial anywhere. But by the way, if you rule against this, that it could lead to people being censored in all different forms. But it took something that crazy to get it to the Supreme Court and someone that fucking crazy. It's just too problematic. When you tell people what they can and can't talk about,

it's too problematic. If you censor someone for, especially like sexual stuff, like you censor someone for putting out a magazine where people have sex in it, obviously people have liked that forever. You do know what the actual trial was. I'll repeat it for people. It was an obscenity trial, right?

But they had comic pieces in the magazine and he did a piece where he said that, this one I may need help, but Jerry, it was Jerry Falwell, I think. See if you can find it.

I'm sure it's online. But he said that before I find out, it was, I want to get the guy's name right before I fucking. Jerry Falwell? Larry Flint.

He was the big guy at the time, right? I think so. Jerry Falwell was the guy that got caught with a hooker too Wasn't it or has Jimmy Swagger I get them all mixed up Jimmy Swagger cried on TV it was awesome You don't remember that

I used to watch that shit all the time It was amazing It was amazing We all knew that he was a crazy fuck It's not Jerry Falwell It's Larry Flint Just just Google Larry Flint Supreme Court. Anyway, the point was he said that this preacher had sex with his mom in an outhouse. In an outhouse?

Yeah, in the magazine. And it had a cartoon of it. And I went and saw Larry Flint speak because, like I said, I'm a big fan of his. And so the guy sued him. It's Jerry Fowler. Okay, that's what I thought. went and saw Larry Flint speak because I said like I said I'm a big fan of his and so they that the guy sued him well it's Jerry Falwell okay that's what I thought so he said Jerry Falwell had sex with his mom in an outhouse and there was a cartoon like a mad magazine right cartoon and Jerry Falwell sued him for libel you know no he's like it's obviously a fucking joke like I'm I don't think you know right it is fucking comedy and he sued him and it

went to the fucking supreme court and larry i went and saw larry flynn talk and when they repeat when the lawyer this larry flynn said this is when he knew he he was going to win the supreme court trial when his lawyer repeated what the article said that his his mom had sex that jerry fallow had sex with his mom in an outhouse he saw the supreme he saw the judges giggle for a second and the lawyer stopped him he's like and that's when he knew he had the trial won because the whole point is you laughed when i said it right that this guy fucking his mom out in an outhouse obviously it's how are we going to have an argument that's not comedy when all you fuckers just started laughing? He said from that point on, he knew he was going to win.

And it was funny, too. He also said that Jerry Falwell came to him years later, and they became friends. And he wanted to go do a speak, because I guess he had, you know, maybe not watched his money. He wanted to go do a speaking tour with Larry Flynn. And he's like, I thought, I just, you know,

I want the biggest Supreme Court freedom of speech case ever. He said he realized, that's when they kind of, he's like, to Jerry Falwell too,

it's all a show, you know. It's all, it was just a, it was just theater to him. Like we can go out and make some money on the road

and talk about it. We can debate each other. Exactly. And Larry Flynn's like, fuck you. That was, I was, I was serious about it.

It's kind of funny, though. I would like to party with Jerry Falwell, find out what goes down, get a couple of drinks with him. They did become friends. Another one I have to look... I'm almost positive that when he died, Larry Flint wrote his... Maybe for the L.A. Times. I think Larry Flint wrote his obituary. Really?

Yeah. Wow. But yeah, they became friendlier later but it was it's an interesting trial you should definitely check out and the movie is sums it up but just you got to get into the details of it because what they used to do at Hustler was pretty fucking crazy I mean besides you know really getting in there looking inside the puss and all that shit they're like they had been in shit they would do crazy like like kind of X rated mad magazine time. Yeah.

And that was the shit. Ironically, they got him in trouble. Yeah. Like, you know, as you know that the, it was what it was,

the, the sex shit that they were actually pissed about, but yeah, but that was what they could catch him on because they, they were so preposterous. Some of them, they were so graphic. That was,

I guess. Yeah. That must've been the one that was the guy who, uh, this is the letter he wrote in LA times after he died. How I find myself., that must have been the one. That was the guy who... This is the letter he wrote in the LA Times after he died. How I Find Myself in Jerry Falwell's Embrace. That's his, that's Larry Flynn's obituary. The article is called The Porn King and the Preacher.

Interesting. He said in 1997 he had an autobiography called An Unseemly Man. He's hilarious. Look, look, he sued him for $50 million. That's why he went to the Supreme Court. He kept losing. A case I lost repeatedly, yet eventually won in the Supreme Court. Wow, he kept losing it?

Now he's hugging me in front of millions on the Larry King show. Whoa. That's insane. I wonder how much it cost him to fight those off. Because someone's suing you for $50 million. If he lost it repeatedly, each one of those things would cost you a shitload of money. That's what I'm saying. Luckily, it was the right guy who was crazy enough, like you said, and had

the money to fight it. Because most people would have just never, wouldn't have fought it once, much less all the way up to the Supreme Court. Yeah. It's funny, man. It's funny. The whole thing's funny. Yeah, I mean, the real story, it's one of those things where the real story's crazier than the fucking movie. Well, it's crazy that it's such a pivotal moment in free speech history, yet, like you said, it's not something anybody ever talks about. That he actually had to go out there like that.

I mean, they were saying before, they're saying SNL might not exist if he hadn't won that case. Well, look, if he gives a daily show or any of that shit, if you can't parody public figures, SNL can happen. Right. You can't do the daily show, you know? And we could prove that. And here's a way to prove it. It's sort of a roundabout way.

But marijuana is still illegal in 2016 because of some bullshit propaganda that was made in the 1930s. So that momentum carries on, even though it doesn't make any sense. in 2016 because of some bullshit propaganda that was made in the 1930s. So that momentum carries on, even though it doesn't make any sense, you could still go to jail today for growing pot. So if you think that if Howard Stern didn't have those lawsuits, didn't pay all that money, didn't make this big public outcry, didn't have to go to Sirius Satellite Radio, if all those things didn't happen and they won,

what if they shut him down? What if they pulled him off the air? What if Larry Flint lost and never fought it? What if everything buckled down? How long would it have taken for the internet to happen? How long would it have taken for things like Reddit or 4chan or these fucking uncensored blogs or uncensored YouTube content

where you could do whatever you want? Vimeo, all that shit, podcasts. That ripple from those two guys is like one of the most important ripples for free speech media in 2016. It's one of the most important like pivotal moments in the history of free speech. And we're talking about that. It's amazing, right? It's fucking crazy. And crazy that we're talking about an X-rated record that I own on a podcast that you own.

Yeah. This wouldn't have been fucking... This whole world... The whole thing wouldn't have happened. You wouldn't have been able to do that record, no way. No one would have found out about it. Even though I make fun of those Florida Georgia Line guys. They're some nice guys. They're handsome. But we have a choice, at least.

Do you think they shave their pubes? I think they shave each other's pubes. They manscaped the shit out of that box, right? Oh, dude, they got the best fucking dude. I bet if there's like a little hair even on the head or around the shaft. Do you ever get a shaft hair? Those are weird. I shave those immediately.

I don't like that. Yeah, it kind of freaks me out. I've gotten a couple. It freaks me out. I don't like a shaft. What if it just starts happening? Like, I have ear hair now. I didn't have ear hair when I was young.

What if my shaft just starts growing hairs all over it? Non-stop. Just non-stop, like a wolfman. Every time you shave it, it gets fucking hairier? Thicker, yeah. What if it happened on the head? What if it happened on the head? Oh, that'd be crazy.

What if that's what girls like? Somebody's got dick hair on there. Someone, sure. Like some fucking big Russian dude. Some Russian bear type character. Some dude from like Dagestan or something. Some manly man. If you've got, and I'm being serious here.

If you've got hair on the head of your dick, you call me because I got my second album. I'm looking for a cover. That'll be it. It's called dickhead hair. It's gotta happen. There's some people out there

that are so hairy. There's like some, there's this Russian wrestler. I forget what his name is, but he fights in MMA. We were talking about him on the podcast recently because he's entering

into some grappling tournaments. God damn it. What is his name? I've only seen him compete on YouTube. He's this gorilla strong. And he's got hair on the head of his dick? Everywhere. Like a gorilla.

He's got to have some. Wasn't that a Paul Simon song? Hair on the head of his dick? I think that was one of his best songs. It's catchy as shit, man. I mean, you sing it around your parents. They yell at you, but it's a good song. Oh, that was Diamonds on the sole of his shoes.

Never mind. I get those two songs mixed up all the fucking time. Yeah. Totally different song. But for sure there's a guy out there. I don't know. Jamie's going to try to find this guy. But yeah.

Well, it's weird that we still have hair in weird spots on our body. Most of the body loses its hair in some strange way, except for the head. And other weird spots like the pubes. Like, what the fuck is going on with the human body in the first place? It's so strange looking. I remember reading an article about Iggy Pop back in his old Stooges days. Yeah, there's the dude. What's that?

There's the wrestler dude. Look at the hair on this motherfucker. Georgie Ketoev. I mean, this guy's mostly a gorilla. That dude's mostly a gorilla. Look at that. I ain't messing around. Get this on the fucking camera.

You got some hair, too. Look at that picture, though. Jeez. That's a goddamn gorilla. This dude's a gorilla. And he also has a Spanish bullion around his neck from the Pinta, I believe. I think he borrowed it from Florida, Georgia. He took it from him.

Give to me or i break nick you're talking about hair you need because i've never forget the article i was reading about in the stooges and then he popped some you know he was on drugs whenever put glitter all over his face and uh he shaved his eyebrows put glitter all over his face and he went on stage and it was so funny the guitarist goes and that's when we realized why you had eyebrows because he was sweating and all the glitter was getting in his eyes so he would like he jumped like it's like oh so he's getting glitter in his eyeball in his eyeball because he shaved he thought it'd be cool to shave his eyebrows it's like you don't think about that shit till you get it that must be brutal glitter in your eyeballs holy shit how do you clean that out he's iggy pop he can do whatever he's probably still in there is he still alive yeah he's touring right now is he he just made a new record that guy

i'd like to find out what he eats he's got to be on a ketogenic diet he's always super you know he just you know josh ami from uh queens of the stone age yes he just did his new record with iggy pop yeah wow that's a new iggy oh that'd be amazing it's thick it's really good see they're they're a great example queens of the stone age are a great example of a band that's really hard to pin down. Like, say, what are they like? You'd go, ooh, man, I don't know. They've got their own thing going on, man. There's certain Queens of the Stone Age songs where you listen to a part of it and you go,

oh, that's Queens of the Stone Age. You know what I mean? You just know. Look at that. There they are, yeah. Bam. Iggy Pop's still looking good. The guy's always shredded.

I always wonder, like, is that just from running around on stage? Does he exercise? I saw him once at the Stooges reunion. I've never seen a guy give it. He was better than Jagger, I thought. I've never seen a guy give it his all like that. He still fucking rocks. I rarely hear people talk about him.

Look at his skin. He's like a leather-bound book that they find in a cabin to summon demons. At that age, still giving the middle finger. Wow, that's important. Never give up on the middle finger. How old is he? I don't know. He's got to be.

But he's in that ageless area. He did a lot of shit with Bowie. How old was Bowie? Mid-60s? What does it say, Jamie? It doesn't say? Does it say his birth? Uh-uhs? What does it say, Jamie? It doesn't say. It doesn't say? Does it say his birth? Uh-uh.

What? No. Come on, son. Go to Wikipedia. It says his fucking birth. What does it say over there? How dare you? 1968.

What, are you trying to pretend he's a mystery? Usually it pops right up on Google when it just says. But you just can't assume that it's not out there. He's almost 70, right? Yeah, he's almost 70. That's a, you know, people still rocking out almost. Yeah, he's an out there he's almost 70 right yeah he's almost 70 that's a you know people still rocking out almost yeah he's an animal that's crazy yeah it was cool the queen like you were saying like you know queen of stone he does whatever the fuck they want i'm sure there

was no one who was like there's a bunch of money for you go produce and they're on a label right aren't they no well they're on an indie label oh are they yeah i wonder how much influence an indie label has on them none because they can do whatever, you know. Well, that's the future. We'll see, yeah. You don't need people anymore. And it's also the people that were there, they didn't exactly serve the best interests of the work.

You know, the people that are making these pop songs. Like, you know, they put together a band like Menudo or something like that. Why Menudo? Where did I come up with that? I kind of like that. Who remembers them? Do you remember Menudo? I remember. But, you know, like, okay, like Milli Vanilli or something like that. Why Menudo? Where did I come up with that? I kind of like that. Who remembers them? Do you remember Menudo? I remember him.

But you know, like, okay, like, Milli Vanilli or something like that. This is a perfect example of just a creation.

I mean, they weren't even singing the real songs, right? That's just a creation. Get two handsome black dudes. And they were also the only ones

who got busted. There's millions of those. You think so? I think so. There's a lot of people that got busted that didn't, that did the exact same thing

as they did. I mean, how did they get busted? They got busted because one of the guys found Jesus. Something like that, I think, but he came clean. He said, I can't go up there and perform these songs anymore. Really?

Wow. And he just came clean. He must be like, I hate pussy and money. I'm pretty sure during one of their concerts, their playback skipped. And that's how they got caught. Well, that happened to What's Her Face on Saturday Night Live, too. Yeah, I'm looking it during one of their concerts their playback skipped and they got that's how they got caught. Well that happened to What's Her Face on Saturday Night Live too. Yeah, I'm looking it up right now. I think there's video of it. But that shit happens all, who's the girl who skipped on SNL?

The girl who's the sister, yeah, the girl with the giant tits. Yeah, so they're trying to say. That's how my brain works. By the way, that's how your brain works? You know what I was talking about, right? In a second. Jessica Simpson, right? You giving me a name, I wouldn't have known it.

Boy, what a body that girl's got. Good Lord. That's a perfect example of why someone should stay thick. Have you seen her lately? Is she married? Yeah, she's married to some football player dude. No disrespect, sir. Fuck.

But if you watch the- Why the fuck I make this record if she's already married? There's other ones like that. That's good stock. That's good southern stock. Yeah. It's probably from Canada. Where is she from?

Texas. Texas? That's what I'm saying, bro. I knew. Shit. Hey, I think I'm doing something. Am I doing dates? There were some Texas dates up there.

I hope so. How dare you not? Well, we're going to do that. I do know we're not doing Southeast until they want me to wait until... There'll be Southeast dates up there. How come you're waiting? They want me to wait. That one be southeast dates up there how come you're waiting? they want me to wait that one actually I listened to people on

they said wait till school's back in cause a lot of younger you know all those SEC schools you know Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia that makes sense right you gotta be in their town and also I didn't want to do too many dates at one time

cause my fucking voice will go and also I just don't I'm not doing those giant I want to go for a long weekend come home I can't do it I'm too old I can't do those fucking, I want to go for a long weekend, come home. I can't do it. Right. I'm too old.

I can't do those fucking long tours. I hear exactly what you're saying. How long do you, you only go out for long. A couple days at a time. Yeah. I don't go, I don't do these.

Duncan does though. Duncan's doing a 30 day tour right now. He's a maniac. He got a bus, the whole deal. I don't do that. I did it once. It's not fun.

It's not enjoyable. Was it fun at the beginning? No. The shows were fun, but it's too many, too many days where's not enjoyable Was it fun at the beginning? No The shows were fun But it's too many Too many days You wake up You stare at the ceiling

You have no idea where you are Like where am I? Fuck My friends You know All my friends who are musicians Who do that Just like

Especially now that we're getting older And the young Even But it was crazy Even when they were young We were younger I was like Man you're living the dream

And they're just like I know I'm supposed to be enjoying this, but it's just not fucking fun. One thing that helps is to do it with people you really like. That helps a lot. There's lots of stuff that helps, but there's still, you know, when you're a kid, you're just like, oh, getting fucked up, getting pussy, playing rock and roll, playing country,

whatever it is, sounds like the ultimate life. And these people not having fun doing it. Well, they also should get a fucking real job and remember what it's like to have to go somewhere every morning and work all day for someone that sucks. It's just easy to get complacent. It's easy to not feel gratitude. I used to spend my summers as a farmhand back in Kentucky.

Really? Yeah. What kind of farms? Mostly horse. Like I said, there's a lot of rich fuck Kentucky. Really? Yeah. What kind of farms? Mostly horse. Lexington, there's a lot of rich fucks who just buy these giant. They're not really working farms. They're just like they build themselves a farm. Like Kentucky Derby type shit?

Yeah, yeah. You forget that with horse racing, it's one of the only sports where the owner is the main guy. I've made billions. I've always loved horses. The person they put on the screen when the horse wins the kentucky derby is the owner right so you can that's a something you can buy yourself into it you're like oh i've always loved the kentucky derby the owner's the rider not the no no the jockeys but i'm saying you don't know the jockeys you know you know who the fucking owner is right isn't that is weird right it's the only sport where you know

the real the i mean but he's not on the horse but he's winning and he didn't train it. He has a trainer. He didn't do a damn thing. They show the trainer, they show the jockey, they show the horse, but the real person they interview is the owner. So you buy a big farm in Kentucky, have some dumb ass like me, like weed eat or whatever. Did you ever read the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved? Oh, I fucking, yeah. Hunter S. Thompson, another Kentucky guy who's a hero of mine. The best. He was the best. I mean, that's what started him.

What a barbarian he was. Fucking insane. He was the best. There's some pieces that he wrote to this day I'll read and I'll go, fucking Christ. I still think,

you know, Fear and Loathing is one of my favorite books of all time. Fear and Loathing is outstanding. And you remember when they did that thing

where Johnny Depp read the passage that he talked about, like the change that was coming in the 1970s and how it all pulled back and that he saw it all happen. I mean, he was the perfect guy to capture. Oh, and the movie was fucking great. Johnny Depp was the perfect guy,

but I mean, Hunter was the perfect guy to capture because he had been in the 60s in Berkeley during the acid times and, you know, the Timothy Leary and the Mary Pranksters and all that shit. He had been with those guys and the Ken Keseys. And then when it all pulled away and everybody just got locked up and went to jail and the war on drugs and all the things happened, he saw this death of the American dream and he put it so eloquently. And then Johnny Depp, pretending to to be him did it for a scene in that movie and it's fucking sensational. I wonder too

if it's because Johnny Depp's also from Kentucky. He's also a good friend of his. They were friends and if you're from the same place and you're friends

it kind of probably seeps into you a little bit. It certainly helps and Johnny stayed with him like when he was doing that movie he stayed with him

for a long time. He lived with him him but that book is a perfect example of like real just first of all laugh out loud funny shit the funniest shit you've ever read well how about the way it opens up but so fucking he can he goes deep emotionally you forget he goes fucking deep in that yeah it is a great book it's that's his well between that and there's there's few things that he wrote, like small pieces that he wrote, too, that just go. There were some pieces right before he died that he wrote. I think it was on ESPN's website that were like kind of predicted the whole world that was going to happen. Yeah, that was when after 9-11. Yeah, check out those articles, man, because it was almost like he checked out because he knew what was going to happen.

Yeah, he saw it well he was also like a serious alcoholic to the point where when he was almost dead you couldn't even understand him anymore he would do shows he would do like um conan or not conan he would yeah he did conan he did conan actually was one of the worst where they went out shooting they went to woody creek and they went shooting and hunter was fucking hammered the entire time they're shooting guns in colorado and you literally can't understand a fucking word he's saying well he would get up and just get fucked up all fucking day he was so fucked up though that it was starting it was like he had poisoned his brain yeah that's you know what i mean like he he had also been on serious pain pills because he had hip replacements. I think both of his hips went bad. And back then, dude, when they were doing hip replacements, it ain't like today.

Like, those hips weren't so good. Like, today they've got it down pretty good, where I've had some friends that got hip replacements and they don't feel any pain. It's amazing. It's just they replaced this socket with an artificial socket. Yeah, you don't hear, like, that used to be the old thing. It's like major surgery. You don't hear much. Well, dude, Graham Hancock was in here six weeks after he got a hip replacement and he was walking without a limp.

I was like, how is that fucking possible? And he's like, it's crazy. And Graham was like in his 60s, right? How old is Graham? I think he's like maybe 60. At the very least, he's in his late 50s. And he got a hip replacement. I remember when old people used to get

hip replacements. It's like how you do they were about to check out. Yeah, man. And it was an ugly, ugly, ugly operation. When they did it, they'd saw off your fucking femur and screw a bolt in there. And it's like there was a rod that had to go deep in your bone, and your bone has to take over that rod. How old's Graham? 65.

65. So he's probably 62 or 63. And he got his hip replaced. And six weeks later, he's walking without a limp. It's crazy. That's awesome. I mean, yeah, they're fucking... I have a buddy who's a jujitsu guy.

He's in his 30s. He got both his hips replaced in his 30s. And that's just from just training and wrestling. So how long ago would that surgery take you out? Probably 10 years ago, like you couldn't even do it? Yeah, 10 years ago you'd be done. And everything after that, you'd be done. You'd be fucked.

You'd be in real problems. Well, what's the guy, because I watch a lot, as any Kentucky, and I watch a lot of basketball, that guy Paul George, is he the guy I'm thinking about? He broke his leg something awful last... He was like... They were like, his career's over. And I think he had a good season.

He did well this season. It was as if nothing had happened. His fucking bone came out of his fucking leg. Those are dangerous, too. And he... Didn't he... Do you want a picture of it? Sure.

It was during Team USA practice a couple years ago. You guys look at it. Oh, my God. He's back now, all-star. All-star. Damn. And this is last year, right? It was a couple years ago.

Two years ago, and he's an all-star this year. That's incredible. His leg just snapped. But now they have all this way of healing things. They use all sorts of different methods to accelerate healing They're just they're getting so good at it doctors just fucking unbelievable at it now It's it's this is an incredible time to be injured You know if you get injured now, they just they fix you in a way that just wasn't available

I have to replace to ACLs But I have a buddy of mine my friend Steve who was on the ski team the US ski team in the 1980s he's a badass skier in the 1980s. And his knees are devastated. He's had, and I would actually have to call him to confirm this, but I know he's had more than 20 knee surgeries. How do you fucking go through that? He's an animal.

He doesn't give a fuck. This guy's crazy. Yeah, he's in his 60s. He still fights. He still goes to the gym and spars. He's thinking about competing. It's almost like going to the fucking dentist at that point. Or getting a haircut or something. He's just an animal. There's certain people that pain is a non-factor to. It's about functionality and movement. What

is that? Whoa, look at it poking out of the skin right there. Holy jeez. Oh, is that the Louisville guy? Yeah. Wow. That know what's... That's hardcore, dude. You know how hardcore that is? Yeah. I felt for the guy, and I fucking hate Louisville. So that means it's serious shit. That is serious.

It looks like it tore through the skin and all the muscle and everything, too. Like, that is a serious, catastrophic injury. I remember that happened. It was live on television. They were worried about that with the octagon.

They're worried about that ever happening. You know, the only breaks we've seen on legs and arms have been non-compound breaks. But I think when it happens like that guy just had it, it becomes more problematic because when it breaks the skin, you have all this possibility for infection that exists. It gets real bad. Well, I remember them really fast going over there with a towel and covering it up because it was on live TV and they covered it up. Well, that's because they didn't want people to see it, probably, right? No, that's what I'm saying. We live in a world where the first reaction was,

get this shit off TV. But why not go to a fucking commercial? Well, isn't it funny, man, that movies, there's every big action movie that you go to, you watch somebody die. Every one of them. Yeah, like it's no big deal. But if people fuck, it becomes a disgrace.

It's a real problem. It's a disaster. Do you remember that Brown Bunny movie where Vincent, what the fuck's his name? Miss Gallo. He had a movie where Chloe Svigigigigi sucked his dick in the movie. That's the only reason I saw it. Yeah, that's the only reason why I saw it too. It seemed like the whole movie was just like getting to the blowjob.

Like I was like, blah, blah, blah. Let's get, let's cut to the scene here. But why isn't it in there if I can go home and get on a fucking website in two seconds and see all that shit? Well, I think his idea was, why can't we have a real sex scene? Like if you can have like people kissing for real and rubbing each other for real, but you know intellectually that they're not actually having sex. But it's supposed to be a sex scene.

So if you have these two people, Vincent Gallo and Chloe Svigengengengeng, that are adults, and they agree. They agree. Like, I think you're attractive, or I'm willing to do this, or I think it'd be cool to do this in the film. I want to actually give you head in this movie.

Why is that bad? So it was real? It was 100% real real he came on her face and everything like she sucked his dick like a champ it's outstanding it just but but it's weird that it like we all everybody i assume has gotten their dick sucked i assume if you haven't i feel so bad for you if you haven't put out a fucking record like my man non-stop that's what happens just non-stop dick sucking i can't even put i wish i had fucking two dicks right now when you did that video for uh eating pussy and sucking

dick or even pussy and kicking ass sucking dick doesn't come in that that comes to the end um that audience what what's going on there did they have any idea i was told by that because i got kind of thrown they told just an audience that you're just going to watch a real country, a guy just sing country. I didn't know that they had told them that. But there was only like 15 people in there. I feel like there was more like 100, 50, 100. And so they were just waiting for a country song, which I found out later. And then when I got to, even though eating pussy, their faces fucking dropped.

I knew I was, this is not my best gig. eating pussy they their faces fucking dropped i knew i was this is not my best gig and then i was like we got to get to the you know the dick sucking which is gonna ramp it up a notch and uh then i think a couple people walked out and like weren't too happy but i'll tell you what it was it's one for the ages it certainly got the shit out there i was amazed that nobody yelled anything out like nobody told you to stop well i think they're they were someone told me that they were i think they were extras so i think they probably lost like you probably would have not got because i didn't know i was walking into like a fucking leg kind of thing oh that's funny i'm just there to play this fucking dirty country song oh that's funny so they just hired some country looking people no i think they

hired people who said they were fans of country music. Okay. And then they said, do you want to be a part of a music video? Just have a seat. Yeah. Because you could see like there's a guy.

Paul, why don't you play it, Jamie? Play it. What's the video called? It's called Eating Pussy and Kicking Ass. Oh, play at least a second from the one on the album.

Okay, but the one, I want to watch the one from the Ben show. What was the falling out with Ben? He just fucking out. He didn't even pay me for that. Really? He didn't pay me for the music or even the appearance.

That's so rude. But look, you have the last laugh. Here it goes. What's he doing now? These people in the audience, they couldn't be any better. Look at that. I like the American flag. Friday night, they couldn't be any better. Look at that. I like the American flag. Friday night, I just got off work.

See, I didn't have a beer at the time, so they're like, and I didn't want to, I was scared about getting myself out there, so I put on a fake fucking goatee so they wouldn't know who I was. He just lost a pussy and kicked his ass. Eating pussy and kicking ass.

Eating pussy and kicking ass. Eating pussy and kicking ass. Eating pussy and kicking ass. Eating pussy and kicking ass. These people are just not responding. They don't know what to do with you. That lady's imperfect. Pussy in the morning, pussy in the night. I eat a lot of pussy, then I get into a fight.

Look at her! Thursday night, I was feeling pretty good. Look at her! Well, they keep going a little bit. off the skirt. I knew that something was wrong where there's supposed to be a pussy. This girl had a dog. Well, they keep going a little bit. Anyway, I sucked his dick and then I kicked his ass. Sucking dick. Kicking ass. Sucking dick and kicking ass. Sucking dick.

Look at her closing her ears. Louder, man. Sucking dick and kicking ass. Eating pussy, sucking dick, and kicking ass. Come on, dude. Eating pussy, sucking dick, and kicking ass. Eating pussy, sucking dick, and kicking ass. Oh, I love that video.

That looked like a fucking little kid there. Did anybody get mad at you after that was over? No, because I just went back to this fucking trailer. I didn't even talk to him again. Can you go to the version? I want you to hear what a great fucking producer he is. Okay, go to the... There's another version of that, Jamie.

That's just the album. You just see the cover photo, and then you hear the music. Same song. Here we go, folks. Here's the produced version of it. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah, all right, man. More feeling, buddy.

Keep it in mind, fucking yelling at the man. This is good. Friday night, I just got off work. My boss man is such a jerk. So after work, I went to his house.

I ate his wife's pussy and kicked his ass. I'm eating pussy and kicking his ass. Dude, I'm fucking 12 years old. I really am That's what happens when you don't sense yourself You become a kid again, you know

I'm always like this This is my kind of music Well, it's bigger than Winona That is so ridiculous I want to hear the second part about sucking dick and kicking ass Let's keep it going This version's probably long, right? Maybe fast forward to the sucking dick.

Try to find this dick sucking part, please. When you're in a studio, you kind of milk it. Is there more verses in this one? Yeah. Oh, man, I went on forever. When it's your money, you just keep playing. So you had a bunch of these in this one, not just two. I like that you went right from one to the next in front of those people.

Oh, here we go. I'm about to do some music. By the way, on the end of this, you can hear the band actually get pissed. The studio guys. I knew that something was wrong Boy, that's supposed to be a question This girl had a dog I was bored and since I paid anyway I sucked his dick and then I kicked his ass Suckin' dick and kickin' ass Suckin' dick and kickin' ass

Suckin' dick and kickin' ass Suckin' dick and kickin' ass That's right. That's the drummer, Chris, on the background. How good does his voice sound? Pretty good. That low voice? I'm over here sweating. Oh, listen. God damn it! Fucking play, motherfucker! Where'd everybody go? Play?

What are they mad about? They didn't know I was going. Same thing, because they didn't watch that clip. They didn't know where I was going. But there's this song, Sit On My Face, that's the one that people keep requesting. So they literally didn't know where you were going with that song well they knew they record people there's no record i mean i mean the people you were doing it with i told the producer like don't

tell it's getting pussy kicking ass and don't tell them about the oh don't tell the the other artists don't tell the drummer guitar player and the you know bass player that it's going to go to the sucking dick because they hadn't seen the clip. So they love, they love in the song and they still like, you know, they still love it but,

you know, it would be funny to, I thought it'd be funny to fuck with them because I was just like fucking with people, you know, and,

I don't know, what would I, what would I, he didn't even get high. Sit on my face. Oh yeah, it's a new one people are always

requesting. Here we go. But listen to how fucking, this is on country shit, man. You ain't much to look at

and you can lose a few. You got saggy titties, but tonight it'll do. Because I learned a lesson a long time ago. Beggars can't be choosing when the bar starts to close. Sit on my face because I ain't too picky and ride my mouth. Till your pussy gets sticky and I won't. I mean, that's some good country shit, you know?

It's good. You tell me that's, you tell me there's better country music out there now right there. The music is good. Well, we got the best fucking record out there right now, I'm telling you. But what's good is like, the sounds are good. Like, I like the way it starts. It's like, it's out there right now. I'm telling you. But what's good is the sounds are good. I like the way it starts. It's cool. It pulls you in.

Like I said, best producer, best players in Nashville doing this. And they had a fucking blast. I mean, like I said, I'm going to get banned from Music Robot. I don't give a fuck. Who cares? They're dead. They're all dead in the water. You can't sell records anymore.

Nobody sells records. You sell things on iTunes Nobody's buying records What percentage of records actually get bought How many people have a CD in their house anymore It's none, it's all gone I don't even know how to get the CD onto my fucking phone anymore I have had two cars in a row Where I had a three year lease

Where I never put a single fucking thing in the CD holder You know the little CD slot It's in two fucking cars in a row. Two leases, three year leases. So I haven't used a CD in six years at least. You want to hear something funny? Like you're saying, it's about selling the other shit. Well, selling them on iTunes.

People buy them on iTunes for physical shit. We're talking about merch. So we have that shirt I gave you with the logo on it. And a bunch of people kept emailing me that they... I wish I had an example of it. And a bunch of people kept emailing me that they... I wish I had an example of it. But they kept emailing me that we don't have fat fuck sizes.

That was what their literal words. I get that at higherprimate.com, too. People are always mad at me. So I call the merch people, and I go, make some fat fuck sizes. And they're like, you mean like double X? I go, yeah, yeah. They go, also, underneath in red letters, I want it to say fat fuck size under the logo. Whoa. And they're like you mean like double X I go yeah yeah they go also underneath in red letters

I want it to say fat fuck size under the logo and they're like seriously it's like yeah yeah if you're fat fuck you know

wear that shit we're proud we can't keep them in stock you can buy a wheeler walk on my website on my fucking whatever merch store

you can buy a wheeler walk not only can you buy fat fuck if you're a fat fuck you can't buy the regular shirt you have to lose the weight or you gotta buy a wheel marker Not only can you buy fat fucks If you're a fat fuck You can't buy the regular shirt You have to lose the weight Or you gotta buy a fat fuck size Every double XL triple XL

Says fat fuck size Big red letters Beautiful And like I said We can't make them Can't keep them in stock I bet a lot of girls Like sleep in them

Like 90s Yeah I mean You should see One girl sent me a picture Of her in the shirt It goes to her fucking feet You know

It's like She put a belt around it and go, you know, go out for the night. Like it's a dress. So you were about that far away from quitting music. There it is. Fat fuck size. Only 20 bucks. That's a good deal, dude. You were like that close to quitting music.

And now everything's happening. No, yeah, no. It was was this was here's this is it this is my parting song i'm gonna play my final show and we're gonna fucking i'm gonna go back to kentucky live on you know farm try to you know you know had x and all that kind of bullshit and i was like this was my parting gift as you know like a like a game show or something and then i got a call like like, actually it was before it came out. They're like, we think it's going to sell.

And my manager is a fucking piece of shit, dumbass. But he's like, and he was about to move on to find another job himself. And then it's you going into the studio, not giving a shit, putting out an album about how fucking shitty your life is and how everything's gone to shit, and not giving a shit what people think. This is the one that's going to work, you know? So he called. He's like, you're, you know, it's like, like I said, we had a bunch of pre-sales, too. Like, I guess on iTunes you can buy it before it comes out. So we knew before that week.

They're like, the pre-sales, like you're not, the number, he, my people called Amazon and iTunes thinking there was a mistake on both of them. They're like, how can, because we only put out a couple songs on YouTube. How is it selling this fucking much? Like is a decimal point in the wrong place? And Amazon asked for a new shipment. We didn't even have the fucking CD. We had to go print more. We made

like a thousand or something. Are you gonna do another one? Fuck yeah. You gonna keep going? No, the thing is, I was gonna quit, and now it's like, fuck that, you know. Well, this seems like it'd be fun to write this shit, too. Well, that's why it is. Well, that's the whole point, is making music and writing songs is supposed to be fun and when you write from the heart and you write from without

censoring yourself the unfun part is trying to fit that that your nasty thoughts into something clean that's where it becomes unfun do you think you're going to do a musical video for which one of you queers gonna suck my dick um i'd like to. We're talking to Spielberg about it right now. He wants to do it. It's just a budget issue right now. Where do you want to do it? What? California?

You want to do it in Santa Monica? It's up to him. I think maybe I'd love to do it in Europe somewhere. Somewhere in Europe would be good. Yeah, like really Euro gay guys? Yeah. I want to do it the right way. That's the right way.

That's a song You don't take You don't take that shit lightly You do it the right way Or you don't do it There are different Kind of gay people In Europe right What do you mean

They wear better clothes They're like You mean a higher class Super coiffed Yeah probably I don't know The ones They wear makeup

They wear They have their hair done right Maybe I will do it in Europe Do it Yeah Like a Bruno thing You know Remember Bruno

Yeah fuck yeah ollie g um that's a fucking funny movie ollie g's the best but i heard his new movie like people didn't dig it i saw it did you like it it was pretty fun i mean it was it was funny yeah um but it was it was the problem is when you compare it to the shit he does you know you can't compare a move it's like the other shit wasn't a movie. This is like, it's just a real, it wasn't funny. It was dirty, you know. But it's actual drama comedy.

You know, it's like a comedy. It's just like a comedy, yeah. A film scripted. It wasn't like. Right. Like Borat. You know, it wasn't like you're living it, you know. Like Borat.

Yeah, I think I can see. Borat was so ridiculously funny. Fuck that movie was funny. It's a problem because it's so ridiculous. He'd have a really hard time doing that again. It's almost like to do that, he's got to not do it for years and then people forget about it and then go back in and do it again. He did something at the Oscars this year.

He presented an award and I guess he had to agree to not do any sort of thing. He was just going to be himself, but he snuck in his character using his wife and did it anyway. And it was an okay, funny bit. You were funny. If you've seen this clip, someone showed me this. My brother actually showed it to me.

He got this Charlie Chaplin Award. Did you see that thing? Charlie Chaplin Award? It was a couple years ago. They gave him this award for, you know, there's like a Charlie Chaplin award for like greatness in comedy or something. And he did this bit. I don't want to give it away if you haven't seen it, but it was the funniest fucking thing I've seen.

You find that? Yeah. Can we watch it? I don't know if we could play it or not. Probably not. It's got over four million views. Yeah, we'll get pulled. So go ahead and look it up.

It's on the BBC America. Well, tell people what is the title of the video again. It's Sasha Baron Cohen Kills Presenter and Accepts Award Extended. I guess I just gave away the title. Britannia Awards on BBC America. Can I tell you what happened then? Or do I ruin it for them? You probably ruin it for everybody.

But do what you want to do, man. That's what you're into. But check out the video. It's really fun. Okay, I'll definitely check it out. It's a good time for crazy shit. Yeah, that's the bet. It's the perfect time for you to come out with this album.

What I say, every day is the new best day for this crazy shit. Yeah. Because every day people give less of a fuck. Because the honest truth is, you know, I met the producer, and I talked to Sturgill, and I said, you know, I asked about the, you know, because he was and i talked to sturgill and i said you know i asked about the you know because he's the only guy i knew who knew who knew dave i go and i go what what's you know is he cool he goes he don't give a fuck hired right there you know like don't get that's in these nowadays that's the ultimate compliment

you can give me about anyone and he meant it as a compliment, too. Right. Those are the people you want to hang out with. All I care about is people who, you know, I'm sure your audience knows, but there's people out there who think the phrase don't give a fuck is a negative. You know, like, I don't care. I care too much that I need someone who doesn't care about the other shit. It's changing.

Yeah. That phrase is changing. Now, it's a different thing now. Like, not giving a fuck was like you were an idiot or a loser. Oh, he doesn't give a fuck. He's a dummy. But now it's like,'s a different thing now like not giving a fuck was like you were an idiot or a loser oh he doesn't give a fuck he's a dummy but now it's like i don't give a fuck yeah but yeah exactly listen yeah i could get banned from nashville i could give it but i don't give a fuck because i'm making the record i want to make well it's just amazing that that's how it worked out you know that this thing's taken off because you just said fuck it let's just go all in

and i like i said this is like the perfect time time Perfect time to go on it's and I hate to bring it back to you, but I'm here But you didn't do the podcast to get listeners. You just want something you want to do just did it for fun You did it for fun. I did this record. I was just like I want to do it for fun I don't when things are good man when you you actually enjoy them like that shit is making me laugh even though it's actually the opposite Which is I assume no one's gonna ever hear this so i'm just gonna go fucking all out so actually guys kind of not scared but like when it went it debuted like i said number nine on the billboard country charts outselling all the big boys i'm like holy fuck what the fuck do i do now because then you got to double down and make it even go even crazier it's hilarious yeah then that's when

because then they're like you know know, you're real fucking, as soon as you walk it, he talk it. So I get on my Twitter and I fucking rip on Nashville, rip on the music business, rip on all these fuckers. And that's how you're getting banned. I'm getting banned. So these Florida Georgia Line guys, they got mad at you? They blocked you?

They blocked me. So there's a new guy. I don't even remember his name. He blocked me too. I got blocked by Who's Megan Is Megan Trainor Is that her name Megan Trainor

She's She's not country She's All about that bass Oh She blocked you She fucking All I said

I just You know those promoted tweets That are on your fucking thing Right I said get this shit off my page And then I got blocked That's not much to block me Promoted tweets Are sneaky as fuck, aren't they?

I know, but it said promoted tweets, so I go, I've seen this fucking tweet 18 times today. I get it. She got a new fucking album. I don't mind like a Instagram, promoted Instagram thing, because I feel like, ah, go ahead. I'm getting it all for free. We're getting it all.

You gotta get money out of this somehow. No, no, listen. I've done, I don't think I did a promoted tweet on Twitter, but I've done it all for free. You've got to get money out of this somehow. No, no. Listen. I've done it. I don't think I did a promoted tweet on Twitter, but I've done it on Facebook. And half the comments are like, get this shit. It's the same thing as me, but I don't block them. I've got to take a picture of you while you're here. Speaking of Instagram.

Bam. Legit. Bam. Bam. Yeah, I've got to do it too. Hold on. How do I do this shit? Don't you know how to do it?

We've got to take a picture together. We'll do all that, man. I just wanted to get a picture of you in the moment. That's my new thing. I want to get someone in the middle of the podcast. No posing before the podcast. No, but I want to do it. This conversation is going down.

Right, Jamie? Yeah. That's why we started doing the pictures for the podcast. We used to have this pose, which I always felt was weird. I was like, why don't we just have one in the middle of us talking and use that? And that way you can see what a mess this place is too. It's chaos to my left here. You got a picture?

Eating pussy and kicking ass. Eating pussy and kicking ass. That's a catchy goddamn song, man. I think Fuck You Bitch is the catchiest song. I disagree. I'm telling you Bitch is the catchiest song. I disagree. I'm telling you.

Eating pussy and kicking ass makes me sing all day long. I sing that shit all the time. Eating pussy and kicking ass. Different strokes. Everyone's got different favorites. Yes. Different strokes for different folks. It's funny, too, because when you make a record,

I thought about not putting that song on. for different folks. It's funny too because you never, like, when you make a record, you just like, I thought about not putting that song on. I was like, people have heard it on that other show before. I was probably not going to put it

on the record and that's one of the people, you know, there was a couple songs that the ones that people liked the most were the ones I was like, I don't know if I want to record.

Probably happens in comedy too. Like, I don't know if this joke's, it's kind of like a throwaway joke and it ends up being, getting the biggest fucking laugh of the show. You never know when you actually write something out that's what's

funny you know you write things out and you go man this part don't work that good and that part gets this huge fucking laugh and you're like oh like it's weird it's weird what people like you know some songs i mean it's got to be there's some songs that you don't think are your best songs and people will pull you aside like with sturgill it's a you can have the crown song yeah he fucking hates that song man i'm telling you dude i listen to that song all the fucking time yeah that song is one of my all-time favorite songs and he doesn't even like it it happens all the time yeah i mean like well the title track redneck shit i try to talk he finally talked me into recording because my demo you know because it's weird because it's your song right so when someone's telling you that your song is it's like a and you're telling them it's not it's weird because it's your song. So when someone's telling you that your song is,

and you're telling them it's not, it's like a weird argument. You're arguing about yourself. I go, let's try it. And it was so good that I put the title track, first track on the record. He was right. That's why you need that second voice sometimes. Well, Redneck Shit is a good one too. It's like a good introduction song to what you're doing and having it be the first song of Smart.

Because if someone listens to that that then they'll get hooked and then and then by the time they get to eating pussy kicking ass they're already in well that's what i've noticed if you if you look on itunes later like every fucking country record on itunes it's all five stars because everyone who buys it on the ratings they all buy they know what they're getting they love it i'm the only one on there like literally it's five stars one star five stars one star and I promise

because it's like this is not what country music is supposed to be you can't curse in country and I'm telling you right now those one star fuckers are selling my album way more than the five star fuckers

of course they're telling what was like from that private parts you know it's like I'm paraphrasing but the five star people are telling three friends the one star people are telling 20 friends right you know and they're the i'm paraphrasing but the five star people are telling three friends

the one star people are telling 20 friends right you know and they're the ones getting the word out yeah because i don't know why they think it's so no one i love i love country music so much you know and those my heroes so much that i hate to see what's happening to it and then those fuckers who listen to this dog shit fucking pop rap garbage are yelling at me that I'm disrespecting country music. I go, this is fucking country music. If you don't like the word fuck, that's fine. That has nothing to do with what I'm doing.

But if you think that it's not legit because I'm cursing or talking about fucking... Sucking dicks. Yeah, or like, Family Tree's a song about my girl that i like her sister better but then i you all you do is you just add to you know it's like i'm dating this girl but i want to fuck her sister but then of course i take it a step further you know what fuck you i'd rather fuck your uncle and your fucking dad lick your fucking dad's ball you know and then you go crazy and it's like jesus you're not you don't really want to do that but it's just funny to think about it right so then you go toward the song and of course you know the players and it's like, you're not, you don't really want to do that, but it's just funny to think about it. Right.

So then you go toward the song and of course, you know, the players and like, what the fuck are you saying about, but it does make the point. I mean, there's a song on here called can't fuck you off my mind. How many,

like, it's just like, it's just a can't drink you off my mind. Right. Like they used to say, and now it's like, you've been through that. Everyone.

Everyone's had a heartbreak, but you know, and you try to fuck some other girls to get over it. And all you're doing is thinking about the first girl. Try to fuck a bunch of girls. And it never works. Well, no one else could. No, it works. You got to fuck the right girls.

Well, I fucked the wrong ones. If you fuck the right ones, you don't even care about the other one. Well, but don't you think that's something people can relate to at the very least? Definitely. So they can't sing about that. Another thing, too, is mainstream press mainstream press especially except for a few places pretty much like there's no reviews of it really anywhere but one guy wrote a review i thought was pretty interesting he actually used that florida georgia line as an example um i wish i

remember who it was might have been a blog called saving country music i think that's what it was and they used an example of a florida georgia line lyric that was like in you went talking about sticking my pink and your stride was like kind of talking he was saying an article about how like these mainstream guys who talk this dirty shit but sugarcoat it and little girls are hearing it what are they saying you stick i don't know the exact? I don't know the actual lyric. But it was kind of gross. But they do that to have it censored.

To have it be played on the radio so they can make money. What I'm doing is much better because I'm saying this is for adults. Right. The CD and the online has the sticker on it. Adults on, you know, parental advisory. Don't yell at them. They're the ones trying to give it to kids. This is for adults i'm saying

that since the fucking yeah don't don't worry about the criticism but also i'm just happy you're doing it he was he was saying in a positive way by the way but i like the belt buckle too by the way you should sell those yeah well i think i fucking lost it people would buy those you should have that wheeler walker belt buckle you know what's cool let me talk about that shirt too is that just a single w right well yeah Well, yeah. I like it. I want to make a WWJr. Well, you need a big R or something. Yeah, I need an R.

That shirt was made for me in California by the Nudies. You remember Nudies? Those old Nudie suits that they used to wear in the 60s. You guys remember that? Nudies? It old nudie suits that they used to wear in the 60s. You guys remember that? Nudies? It sounds, there's this guy, I think he was, I think it's Ralph Nudie. He used to, he made the suits that you would see in the old Western movies. How do you spell it?

N-U-D-I-E? Yeah. Like nudie magazine? Yeah. And he would make these nudie suits at like Buck Owens and people like that. Well, what happened was they used to be in the old westerns. These crazy suits. And people like Elvis or Johnny Cash used to watch those westerns.

They started calling this guy. Roy Orbison. His name is... Ralph Nudy. So these people like Elvis or Johnny Cash, Hank Williams even, they're like, I want a suit like they wore in whatever western movie.

And then he started making clothes for musicians. Dolly Parton's there. Who's that dude right there? Barry Klein? Who's Barry Klein? Is that Patsy Klein's dad? I don't know. There's Grant Parsons. He's got a nice Cadillac there. Anyway, but I guess

his granddaughter, somebody kept it going and they reopened in LA.A. for a little while. I think they're back out of business. I'm not sure, but that's an actual nudie shirt. Wow. Made for me. I had to get it fucking tailored and everything. That's pretty goddamn classic.

Cost more than the fucking record. That's amazing. Oh, yeah, there it is. I love shit like that. Nudies, rodeo tailors. Hollywood, California. I put the credit inside, too, yeah. So they're still around? Well, I think they're bringing it back, yeah, Hollywood, California, and the West. I put the credit inside too, yeah.

So those, are they still around? Well I think they're bringing it back, yeah. Oh they have t-shirts, they're going Ed Hardy on you. They're gonna have glitter. It's gonna be glitter on those fucking t-shirts. But anyway, I called the tailor and they made me that. I just wanted that label on the back, the Nudie's Rodeo Tailors. That's so cool. I love things like that. You find out about them sometimes.

I think they got a museum. Yeah it was cool, cause I just looked it up like, what I did was, that's what's great about the internet because i looked it up i was like it's the kind of shirt i want for my record coat right and then i oh i want a nudie shirt and i look it up all of a sudden i see their website and i look at it and you can get one made by you know it's just there it's just right i don't want it one like it i just want i want it no that's cool yeah it's interesting. He used to do that. He used to soup up Elvis' cars and shit. Really?

Yeah. Nudies did a bunch of car shit. Elvis had a souped up car? Yeah, but what they did to those suits, they would do it to cars, like horns coming out of it and glitter and all that. Yeah, look at that. That's hilarious. Look at this thing. That's that famous Elvis suit he made.

He made Elvis a gold shiny suit. Yeah. What is the one with the car, though? Go back to that car. That's hilarious. Elvis had a giant white Cadillac. If it's not Elvis, who's to say? That's a nudie car.

It might be his. Was it his car? I don't know. Maybe it was. So he designed. I think you can go. There's a museum around here somewhere. You can go check it out.

I wonder if that was his. But that's... Why is there a rifle? Look at... There's a rifle back there. You're allowed to put a... What? There's a rifle glued to the car.

He's got two rifles on the sides, but one of them that's in like a firing position to shoot at people behind you. Well, when I make... What the fuck is that, man? If you're fans... I'll make a promise right here. If I get to number one, I'm wearing a nudie suit nonstop for a fucking week. A week?

A whole week? Actually, I'd take it back a year. A year? A year? I like a year. Number one? I'll tour. I'll tour.

Because those nudie suits cost fucking five grand. I feel like people are just finding out about you. I feel like this ride has just started for you. I feel like this ride just started for you. Well, that's what happened, like I was saying. When it debuted so high, I went home and I was like, that's crazy that it debuted so high. Then you get hungry. You go home and you're like, fuck, I'm even worse up their ass. I'm going to go on a tour.

I'm going to do the video. I'm going to go for it now. Well, people, I think a lot of people don't even know about you yet. I really do. And hopefully with this podcast and with some other podcasts and all the youtube videos and between that yeah you helping out and you know i appreciate it again coming on the show i had a fucking blast man come on man it's fun shit um i love it and i love that you're a fan uh you know i love that there's places like this where i can fucking talk about it i love that there is too i don't even know how it happened i wish i could say that i

planned this whole thing out i this is all total dumb luck. Yeah. Anyone who happens upon my record, if they find me, I just, I mean, you got one of the biggest podcasts in the world. But even if, I've done interviews with people just like, I like the record. Will you be on my fucking podcast? And we got like 30 fucking, I'll do it. If they're that big a fan, I don't give a shit. Oh, that's cool of you. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's going to change though once you run out of time fuck those gonna get too many people it's gonna be joe rogan only soon but uh there's a lot of other cool ones

you got to do like burke kreischer and do as many people as you can around town yeah while i'm here and i'm playing coachella i may as well do the whole fucking round it's hilarious that coachella thought you were too risque yeah i would love to see you up there eating pussy. You know, I think it is. Kicking ass. You know, I think part of it is, it's like in the kind of, I think it's because it's country and it's just so weird to hear. And also when it's, it's not as loud.

So you, every, all the bad words are so fucking clear and you can hear it so well. Like when you sing clit, you can really hear it. I just would love to see all those fucking hipsters that are just going to the cool thing. Like, people are like, we're here for the cool thing. We're going to Coachella. It's going to be amazing. That's the whole fuck. Sucking dick.

It's funny you brought that up. No, but seriously, I'm glad you brought that up. Because part of the point of this record, too, was to piss off everybody. I wanted my redneck friends back home, I wanted them to get pissed off by this. I wanted the hipsters to get pissed off by this. There's something to piss off everybody. I wanted, you know, my redneck friends back home, I wanted them to get pissed off by this. I wanted the hipsters to get pissed off by, you know, there's something to piss off everybody. So the goal was, again, talking about thinking no one's going to hear it, the goal was to

fucking make sure nobody bought it. I did everything in my power to make sure no one would listen to it. And I think that's the key, you know, because there's something to piss off everyone on here. It's a hilarious idea. The whole idea behind it is hilarious.

But I think people get that you can't make music like this that sounds like that if it's not coming from a real fucking place. I think this kind of stuff is going to sound grand and ridiculous. But I think this ushers in the future. Because it's going to sound grand and ridiculous, but I think this ushers in the future because it's proving that people like a lot of stuff that you're not going to get it from these mainstream purveyors. You're just not going to get it from them. They're not going to risk it. They're not going to put the money out for something like this because they can't sell it to the radio stations. They can't do what they normally do.

They don't have a place for it. They don't know what it is. So then you come along, you do it on your own. It takes off like a fucking wildfire. And now they're scrambling. Like, you must be getting a lot of mainstream music producer guys and executives that are coming to you trying to get in on this. Oh, totally. And you know what? You always got to remember, like we were talking about, don't give a fuck.

You got to keep that attitude or you're going to fall down the fucking, you know. They're going to drag you into the fucking devil's nest. Then it's going to be like... And listen, I like money. We all like money. But they're going to go, hey, if you tone down a little bit on the next one, we can get you on whatever. We can get you on CMT or whatever it is. And then I'll go...

And they're like, that'll be ten times the money. I'll think about it. Don't get me wrong. But I've just got to stick with... Listen, if I... See, I think they're like, you know, that'll be ten times the money. And, you know, I'll think about it. Don't get me wrong. But I just got to stick with. Listen. I think they're wrong, though. It might be ten times the money right now. But I think in the future.

But also. Dude, this is going to be giant, man. I don't give a fucking shit if it doesn't sell ten times the money. Well, that's good. Because if I'm not doing it the way I want it, then I'll be miserable. But because you are doing it the way you want it, it's fucking hilarious. So, like, what kind of of people you don't have to name names like what kind of people have come up to you and have tried to get in on

this what kind of music executive type characters I'll say and I'm talking about country stars and country exec in music executives I won't name names the biggest of the biggest and I I'm not to name names but i'm talking the biggest stars in country have contacted me you know well a couple different things that i've heard through the grapevine because i don't i don't travel in those circles but some people who really love it some people some people are not a joke have reached out to friends of mine who know me making sure that i don't shit on that because i talk shit about everybody and they're like couldn't you tell him i'm cool so he doesn't shit on me and a couple people have come with some

of the big boys and i'm and some of these i wouldn't even mind name but they don't want it's funny too because i have some fans who are literally the biggest country stars on planet earth who won't say that they're until it becomes okay to say it they're not saying it right now. They said it to my face I've literally met them and they've said it to my face but they won't say it anywhere because they don't want to lose their fucking fans. Like once it becomes if it becomes mainstream which I hope it doesn't

but if it does maybe it'll be cool you know. What's mainstream though? I mean there's no mainstream anymore mainstream used to be radio and television nobody gives a fuck about like the Tonight show anymore someone being on a tonight show for a band does that mean anything anymore they were they were talking to me about that you know because one thing you do is play late night shows and they're like they ain't gonna have you i was like i don't give a fuck but did they mean anything anymore no it used to be if you did

like the tonight show like you but then once it changed in like the 90s like it started going away in like the 90s in the 2000s they were telling me that the numbers that i even they're like you can't do obviously those big talk shows but they're saying you don't fucking those numbers don't it's not gonna move the needle yeah it's better than your podcast your podcast is gonna move need a lot more than any fucking talk show i guarantee you that that's bizarre well you know i don't get i hope i i'm right but i think you're right. But I'm almost positive. I've heard it about books and other people's CDs. I'm positive. I'm positive I'm right.

And I know Stern's played it a couple times. You know, like, that shit's so much bigger than doing a fucking Tonight Show or, you know, whatever those shows are. Which, listen, if I'm in town and they want me to play, I'll do it. But they can't have me on, so it doesn't matter. Well, yeah, they can't have you on. And one of the problems with those shows is, like, say, you know, no offense to any of these guys,

but say if Conan has someone on a show that's a band. I don't know how much input Conan has. Or, like, maybe the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. How much input does he have on what the guests are? I don't know. Letterman, I was told, was the one who really did, like, liked real country. He was, that was always the place where, like,

Isbell played there right you know like he would and jason isbell also is on independent label you know like it's hard for him to get on but if with letterman given the approval you know he can get on so some of those guys have like some power like jay leno was talking to me about this like that he hated when he was doing this night show and he'd have to have some guy on from some tv show that he didn't give a fuck about yeah and he had to pretend that he cared. You'd think he'd be in a position to fucking... Wasn't.

He was doing the most mainstream of mainstream shows. But that's why. It's because it was so mainstream. He had to be like right down the middle, like non-offensive. But now he's doing his own show. He's doing that Jay Leno's Garage. Have you ever seen that? No.

Dude, you get to see what Jay Leno's like. Jay Leno's a fucking great guy. He was on my TV for 20 years and I don't know what he's like. He's a great guy. He was in here. He did a podcast with us. He was fucking hilarious. I didn't hear him.

He was talking about doing a show for the mob. And he was talking about this mob. Oh, I heard about it. Jay Leno screamed. You fucking cocksucker. It's bizarre. It's bizarre seeing him scream, you fucking cocksucker. Like, whoa.

I remember hearing stories, because I obviously have so many friends who are musicians, but like who, they'll be playing a show and they're like, oh, somebody canceled on the, this is years ago, canceled on the Tonight Show. If you can get out to LA to play the Tonight Show, you can do the show in whatever. And they crunch the numbers and it costs, it's not, you know, moving a band is so expensive. Right. And they crunch the numbers and it's like it wasn't worth their money to play

like how fucking crazy is that that's crazy when we become a band a small band and it's not worth the money to play

the Tonight Show you won't get enough return on your money as far as iTunes sales they were saying that it was 40 grand to play because you're paying

the musicians the crew the trucks everything and driving all the way out there it's like you're not going to make 40 grand

in record sales so just don't play that's so weird in the old days way out there, it's like, you're not going to make $40,000 in record sales. That's so weird. In the old days, like you were saying, one play on that and you're playing arenas. Yeah, I was talking to Paul Stanley about that when he was in here. It was real weird talking to him because Paul Stanley, of course, was a huge superstar in the 70s, and it was all record sales. And as a matter of fact, they couldn't get on the radio. You know, Kiss had a really hard time being on the radio.

They were sort of kind of blackballed on the outside oh yeah but just because of the love from their fans they stayed valid of course and they sell them fucking lunch boxes and dolls and weird man i mean when i was a kid like a kiss song on the radio like it was a moment to be excited oh my god they're playing kiss like i think the only one they ever played was beth which was weird because that was the drummer. That was a big one. But they played Detroit Rock City occasionally. Or I Want to Rock and Roll All Night.

That they played, yeah. They played that in Kentucky. Detroit Rock City I'd heard on the radio before and I remember being blown away like, whoa, I can't believe they're playing this. But they're definitely not taken seriously, yeah. No, they weren't taken seriously, but they're a fucking great rock and roll band. By the way, isn't that the best fucking idea?

You become the biggest rock band ever and then you put the makeup on. Yeah. Go out and do whatever the fuck you want. Nobody knew who they were. Yeah. I met Ace Frehley when I was like,

probably like, before, I was less than 10, somewhere in that area. My uncle used to work for Howard Marks Advertising, which used to make all the album covers

in New York City. Oh, no way. Yeah. And my uncle Vinny was an artist and so he would, him and this guy Dennis that he worked with would do these album covers in New York City. Oh, no way. Yeah. And my Uncle Vinny was an artist. And so he would, him and this guy Dennis that he worked with, would do these album covers What album covers did they make? Like Destroyer.

Oh, that's a killer cover, man. Oh, dude. Like some of the all-time great ones. They did Kiss Double Platinum. So I would get advanced copies of this shit when I was a little kid. I can't even imagine what getting an advanced copy of a record was when you were... Oh, my God. It was insane. I don't think I would have known

what an advanced copy was. You probably had to explain it. Yeah, that one. My uncle was involved with that and he was involved with a couple other ones, man. There's a name there. I don't know who the guy who did the painting was. I think they hired someone to do the painting. But what the advertising agency would do

was design the inside of it, like graphic design, put all the photos in place, and decide how the font would look and all that stuff. It was really cool. So when I was a kid, he would send me these posters. My mom just had them recently. When they had their solo albums, they all had an individual album. I had the actual posters from their solo albums.

I think each record was dedicated to the other three, right? Was it? I think on the back it was dedicated to Paul, Gene, and you know. They had some creepy ass fucking songs. Gene Simmons, Christine 16.

But no, then it came back around and became you gotta watch that shit now. You couldn to watch that shit now. You couldn't have a song about a 16-year-old that you have to fuck? Listen. I've got to have you. You know what? I got an idea for an album, too.

What is it? I'm not going to say it. Don't say it. Hold on, dude. Just take a breath. I know what you were going to say. You taught me how to do it. No, no, no, no.

There was a couple of good songs, though, from the Soul albums. Back in the New York groove, that was a good Ace Frehley song. Oh, that was from his solo record? Yeah, yeah. Back in the New York Groove was an unheralded song. I thought Ace's solo record was the best of the Soul ones. Really? Yeah.

I don't remember them that well, but I remember liking that one the best. I'd have to go back and listen to them again. Remember they did a little disco for a while? Like, I Was Made For Loving You? They went disco for a while? People make fun of it. I mean, looking back, it's kind of good at the time that's a great song i love that song yeah oh yeah all that disco shit that was so shitty you listen to now it sounds everything

in in looking back it was like now the music's gotten so shitty i mean bg sound fucking like the best band you ever heard well that's what's interesting is I think they were unjustly criticized. Like, if you listen to their style of music, they had some really good songs. The Bee Gees had some interesting songs. I could name you, I mean, I'm not going to, but I can name you 20 killer Bee Gees songs. And that's the other thing, too, you know, it's important. It sounds like you're with me. Yeah, man.

You got to listen to all kinds of music. I love all kinds of music. The people that make the shitty country that we were pointing out before, all they listen to is pop country. That's all they listen to. People. I was reading an interview with Prince once, and he was, I don't remember exactly what he said, but he was talking about how much he loved James Brown. And later in the interview, he talks about Joni Mitchell, how much he loves Joni Mitchell. That's how you become

Prince, when you love James Brown and Joni Mitchell, because it's two completely different things. And then it comes out through Prince. But if he only listened to James Brown, it'd just sound like a James Brown ripoff. It's the other, the folk music and the weird shit they listen to that made him such a fucking weird guy. Yeah, man, I think

music is a lot like everything else. I like variety in all kinds of everything else like i like variety in all kinds of different foods i like variety in art and architecture and i like variety in music it's interesting to hear like more than a woman that is a good fucking song that bg song that's a good god and when you saw it in that movie saturday night fever like it's it's a great try not try not dancing to stay alive that's right that's what i'm talking about you know that's a good fucking song it's a great song that era people were looking at that like okay we have this instead of led zeppelin this is what replaced the doors like what the fuck and then you get older you realize you can listen to both kind of what

happened to like i was talking about before with me and all my he's like when you got into rock it's like wait a second waylon and john Lennon aren't that fucking far apart it's they're much closer together than like you know yeah what's playing on the radio right now yeah yeah that's they're all coming I mean Waylon used to play with Buddy Holly that's how he got his start no shit yeah he started I mean it's the most famous story of all but he had a he was supposed to be on that plane Dwight Yoakam was probably the first guy that was a real country guy that I was a fan of I was a fan of Dwight he kind of crossed over a little bit yeah you know what happened he's a Kentucky boy as well a lot of great music from Kentucky

huh yeah but he I always thought of him as a Kentucky guy and he is but he actually had to move to LA yeah to make it he he was in the punk scene out here cuz back then what like wearing a dressing like that, wearing the cowboy hat, and playing kind of old-style Buck Owens country was thought of as crazy as it. I mean, he wasn't playing, you know, punk music. But he was kind of an outsider, you know. That was thought of as, like, a weird thing to be doing. It seemed to me that what he was doing was like an ode to the classics.

You know, it's like he was a... I thought he also put his own spin on it, too. 100%. 100%. But you like, it reminisced of like really great country music of old. Like he was obviously a, he was a huge fan of that music. And I feel like he was one of the first guys who um brought that old sound back but kind of got some you know got airplay you know he got a lot of airplay went mainstream with going back to the old guys yeah

like that ain't that lonely yet song that song play and guitars cadillacs and hillbilly music that that it was a huge well i guess that was the inspiration to track to beer weed coochies and honky-tonk music. But he was like a guy that you were allowed to like. It's like you were allowed to like him as a country person. It made you like a diverse... Well, even then, you know, the 90s... Like, you were talking about shit changing so fast.

Even the fucking... Like, you look back at mainstream country in the 90s, it sounds like fucking raw field recordings compared to what we got out there right now. Like, it's changed so much so fast that, like... Actually is the kind of what mainstream alan jackson randy travis that shit sounds like fucking like down in the like it sounds like blue like a gritty yeah it sounds like a fucking jug bang what has happened like could you imagine if johnny cash could watch those guys like throwing their fucking hands those hip-hop hand signs, the perfectly coiffed outfits on and buying jeans with rips already in them.

People always send me these memes. Did you put that rip in? Or did you buy it? No, this is ripped. Yeah, no. That's real? Yeah. I swear, I wasn't going to wear this.

Okay. No, I paid $100 for that. That's what I ripped. No, people send me memes all the time of that shit. That's what it's called. They'll show a picture of Waylon. It's a place that shit. That's what it's called. So they put like, they'll show a picture of Waylon. It's a place, I don't know what it's called. It's like, I've gotten a hundred of these picture of Waylon, like Florida Georgia line.

Yeah, I think I pissed there once. And I've gotten that meme. I've gotten a hundred of them. See if you can find that. But there's a hundred of those guys like, you know, rolling in there. People love making those. Because there's an audience for that still, which is great. Well, Shooter talked about, he had that song, They Should Outlaw You, that was specifically about that.

Like, these fake country guys. Like, these especially fake outlaw guys. Yeah. About what his dad had to go through to make it in country. Oh, fuck yeah. His dad was a, I mean, a real pioneer and a rebel in a lot of ways. Like, he did whatever the fuck he wanted to do and it worked. And that sound

became super popular. And Waylon Jennings... You listen to a Waylon record now, The Best Shit, it sounds like it was recorded yesterday. It's amazing. It hasn't aged a fucking day. And his son, and Shooter's weird too, man, because he does all kinds of strange music. His new album is

Countach. It's almost kuntosh it's like almost electronic and it's fucking killer it's killer well he's he's another guy that just wherever his fucking hair blows back one of my favorite guys this guy billy joe shaver is like he's old now and he wrote a lot of this there's a waylon album called honky-tonk heroes that bailey joe shaver wrote every song on it's my favorite waylon record and billy joe's still around he just put out a new album last year and it's fucking great and um the first song to duet with willie nelson and it's called hard to be an outlaw and the song is hard to be an outlaw when you ain't wanting anymore wow so it's him who was actually part of the outlaw movement which i'm not i'm not part of that you know i'm i'm just

here having you know doing what i do what is thelaw movement? That was the 70s when they were the equivalent of, you know, I don't know. But you're kind of comedy. To me, it's not even that funny. But people, listen, I'm just singing like I see it. I fight and fucking fart. But there's something. It's funny. It's obviously funny.

Obviously, I'm laughing. People are laughing at it. I don't get mad when people laugh but it is very outlaw in a lot of ways by the method you're going about putting it out no but to defend though

like I can see how you don't want to claim it because it's like an iconic name like outlaw country like those guys but those guys

that was when pop that was when country music which by the way that country on the radio then sounds like I said sounds great now but it was a lot of strings and got really lush.

And then people like Willie moved out of Nashville, moved to Austin, started smoking weed and said, I'm going to do it my fucking way. And that's that kind of thing. And Waylon's like, you know, get the fucking strings out, get all this shit out. I just want to play me guitar, drum you know just back to the basics so they were really pushing that envelope you know way more than anything i've ever does nashville have any i mean how much of nashville is like real music and how much of nashville is like pop now um like when you're there it's really it's so funny because like i said most of my family's from nashville so i went there all the time growing up and it was really almost not a ghost

town but it was just like a it was a kind of had a small town feel and you would but you would see Crystal Gale or whoever it was on the streets and it was known it was the center of country music but it was it was not um a flashy town and now it's the place it's it's another Hollywood it's where people go it changed but it's real recent right it's another Hollywood. It changed. But it's real recent, right? It's within the last... I went... There's a... The Silver Lake, which is apparently

the hip place here. The Silver Lake in Nashville is East Nashville. I don't think I'd ever been there as a kid. I don't think it was just slums. And now it's...

You can't get a place there. It's so fucking expensive. So it's got gentrified. Totally. Like, how many years ago did this happen? If you bought a house there five years ago, you're fucking swimming in it right now. Yeah, because I started going to Zany's in Nashville as a comedy club. I started going there, I just want to say, like, maybe ten years ago I started going there.

And I'll bet it was way different ten years ago. Way different. Yeah. Way different. I mean, these places now, like... They have those spotlights that stream the sky, and they'll have, like, some fucking grand opening thing or some press release thing, and you'll see, like, these tour buses and paparazzis, and you're like, what is going on?

Well, that's the thing, too, is when I was a kid, you know, I had family who was friends with country... Not because they were in the business, it's just, if you're in town, that's what a lot of people do. You know country. There were never no fucking paparazzi. I know people there, you know, when you got to, like, warn people where you're going, do this. That's why I'm hoping people like Jason or Sturge will kind of turn.

People start moving there for the right fucking, you know, make the right kind of music. But still. There's got to be some that are doing that, right? There are some, but, I mean. How many of them are these fucking coiffed up bands with the hair gel? Almost all. I mean, like. Wallet chains.

Yeah, I mean, but you hear it. How many Sturgils come into your podcast, you know? Well, Sturgil's a rare dude. He's a rare. As a shooter, they're rare guys, but. But we're really naming, there's, listen, there's way more of it than you think. But those Jason Isbells and Sturgils and, don't like a guy like that when when sturgill puts out a cd and then people find out about it and people aspire and then they they want to be like that

and then it sort of gives birth to more people like that or more people who can express themselves yeah but what that way it didn't ever it's almost like nirvana you know remember when they came out it's like oh fuck fuck fuck. Fuck the old shit. It's time for real rock and roll to come back. They killed Poison. Yeah, exactly. But all that it ended up doing was bringing out a bunch of shitty Nirvana copycats. There was a lot of that.

There was a lot of that. And there's going to be a lot of Sturgill copycats coming out soon. And they're going to be doing it because they think it's going to sell, not because Sturgill did it. Because he had something on his mind that he wanted to sing. It's going to come out the wrong way so well there's there's always going to be the guy that pretends to be the guy that you love yeah you know like there's the guy who wants to sell the records sometimes or host the tv shows or do movies or you know whatever those are the guys like you like go this guy's sort of inauthentic like something's going on but

well when someone is authentic though you, you can tell, right? Can't you tell? Like Sturgis, you can fucking tell. Listen to that new A Sailor's Guide to Earth. Come on, man. That's the best record of the year by far. It's fucking sensational. And I'm saying that with mine right in front of me.

It's sensational. It's so good. Yeah. Well, it's weird how it all flows together, too. It's like, oof. That's a magnum opus. Is that it? Magnus?

No one would go into a studio and make a record like that, thinking that's going to sell. He did it because he wanted to make it. And he's got to have... It's very rare that you're going to have a big company that sells records that has the wherewithal to let a guy like that go. Just go do whatever you want, man. I think he did it all. I think he produced it you want, man. I think he did it all. I think he produced it himself and did everything. I think he did it all himself.

Do you know Honey Honey? He did it all himself. Yeah, you know what's funny? My first ever L.A. gig, the guy that produced my record, the band that came in right after I left was Honey Honey. And they heard my record in the studio, and they're like, next time you're in LA, why don't you open a show?

And I'm like, yeah, sure. So I played a few songs with them, and they came out in costume and backed me up for a couple songs because they had the record, but it wasn't out yet. So that was my first LA show ever. Wow, that's crazy. That's right. Yeah, real good friends with them.

We've done a bunch of shows together. Oh, no way. It's funny, that was my first fucking LA show with Honey Honey. Yeah, real good friends. We've done a bunch of shows together. Oh, no way. Yeah. No, it's funny. That was my first fucking L.A. show was Honey Honey. Yeah, they did New Year's with me last year. Oh, no way. Yeah, we did New Year's at the Wiltern in L.A.

How big is that? It's, I don't know. That's big, though. A couple thousand people. That's crazy. Yeah, it was Joey Diaz. Yeah, Honey Honey's last album was fucking great. Ari and Duncan. Yeah, it was awesome.

They were amazing. They're really good, man. And what is this? Hey, that's them. That's them backing me up. Honey, honey, engaging. They have a... She has a beard on.

Yeah, I think that was a sign of things to come when people want to dress up in costume when they're on station. They don't want to be seen. I think I should have seen that as a possible sign that maybe I was doing what was a little bit out there. Well, what I was going to say about them was they have this song, and I used part of the song on the music for it

with my Comedy Central special, the opening music. That's all from them. That's all their music. And it's this song called Punk Kid, and they can't put it out because they made it they spent all their own money making it but the record company wanted it and so like when the record company hired them to do a song or do an album they wanted the punk kid song and they wanted it for free and they're like no but we spent all this money on that song this is our song we wrote it

you can't own this like you can't you can't own the song when they tried to and they said no so that song is like it's out in the ether so they have to figure out what to do with that song well that's gonna hold on to it for a while i will say i did learn you know being around the music business much ahead i knew i'd heard all those stories that's crazy that's why i bought my mat why i own my masters like you can't do fucking you can't touch this they don't you don't need them anymore if i'm quoting hammer well you don't need them anymore i don't like what we're talking about about don't need them anymore. I don't. Like what we're talking about, about distribution. You'll get more distribution from doing this show or more people will hear about it from doing this show. We're going to find out. We'll see.

Guarantee you. It's going to get crazy. And from doing mine and do Adam Carolla's and do everybody else's. Yeah, someone said Carolla played it the other day. Dude, all these guys will do it. You can get on Joey Diaz. Joey will have you on. Ari will have you on.

Duncan. Anybody who's around will have you on. And people will hear about it. This is the new... It's a new time, man. It's a new world. They're not trying to... You know, it's... I'm just happy that I'm here now. Because like you said, 20 years ago, this album would

not exist. It would not exist. But it exists. Wheeler Walker. Redneck shit. Go get it. Yeah, I think also was Someone said it was The first country Album to chart on The country billboard charts With a bad word

Really No country charts No country albums Ever charted with A bad word in the title Redneck shit Eating pussy Kicking ass

That's one of my Favorite songs dude I'm telling you I'm not gonna lie That puts a smile On my face I'll be listening to this At the gym By the way there's

a download code in that too oh there is okay so you buy the vinyl you get a download code dude i want to pay i want to buy it on itunes well this guy insists you want to buy it too yeah he's gonna fucking buy nine bucks make him buy it i'm giving up he's been how much does it cost nine bucks that's what normal that's a normal album cost right on itunes nine bucks? That's what normal, that's a normal album cost, right? On iTunes, nine bucks? That's good. Whatever the normal, I didn't. Sturgill had the number one song and the number one album last week. Yeah, I think his album's. Boom. Yeah.

And that's, don't, keep in mind too, he spent half his time fucking taking motherfuckers out. I don't know if that's true. I really don't think he's an assassin. I think you should go to a doctor. I'm telling you, you look just like Ben Hoffman too. It's so weird. Well, like I said, someone said I look like Zach Galif a doctor. I'm telling you, you look just like Ben Hoffman, too. It's so weird. Well, like I said, someone said I look like Zach Galifianakis. I don't...

That person's an asshole. That doesn't make any sense at all. But I don't want... You're both handsome, but that's ridiculous. It's just a beard thing. I guess, but... Well, I would say someone said you look like Zach Galifianakis. You have different color hair.

I think people just saw a beard. People are stupid, right? People see me doing this shit, and they're just like, he can't be real. So they're like, he's got to be somebody. Oh, that's it. And then also that video of you with the fake mustache. That hurt things, yeah. It doesn't help.

Well, whatever. Fuck them. Listen. Fuck them if they can't take a joke, right? WheelerWalkerJr.com, you fucks. And go to iTunes. Go pick this up. Thank you, sir.

That was awesome. Thank you for having me. That was a blast, man. It was a good time, man. It was a lot of fun. I hope you had fun Because I did Eating pussy And kicking ass folks

We'll see you tomorrow Mwah How was it dude That was great