The Joe Rogan Experience - #792 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

Episode Date: April 30, 2016

Unbox Therapy is a YouTube channel "where products get naked." Lewis does in-depth reviews of new tech products releasing to the consumer market. http://www.youtube.com/unboxtherapy

Should we smoke weed? We're live already? I asked, should we smoke weed? Right when Jamie gave me the gun sign. What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. Yeah, you too, man. It's good to be back. It's good to have you back.

Yeah. This is like warm time, though, in Toronto. Like, you don't really want to leave that bad right now. Yeah, you know what? But I kind of felt like today out here was almost the perfect weather anyways. Like, not too... Oftentimes felt like today out here was almost the perfect weather anyways like not too oftentimes i'll come out here like i'm not a guy who needs to be in the heat you know right i'm not one of these people when it snows or whatever like i'm complaining i can handle it i feel like genetically i'm built for that environment well you're a canadian that's right canadians born and

bred they can deal with it So yeah so I'm not I don't mind A little bit of the cold but Today here in LA this is God's weather this is like I think if everyday could be exactly like this Out here there'd be a compelling argument But it's those hot days getting into

The car and burning Am I fired up today am I fired up This morning this is coffee number Three alright blame the caffeine the car and burning. Am I fired up today? Am I fired up this morning? This is coffee number three. All right. Blame the caffeine. The argument, there's two arguments, right? The argument is if it's really cold out, you can always dress for the cold, but you can't really dress for the warm.

Yeah, right. Undress. Yeah. But you could freeze to death. It's super hard to heat up to death. Wow. You got to really fuck up to heat up to death The desert the desert yeah, the desert will kill you pretty gotta go to death value. Yeah, actually no dude died like that

Really? Yeah, he went on like a sort of a spiritual walkabout kind of a thing this guy Evan Tanner He was a UFC fighter former middleweight champion. He may have heard that yeah, he was into former middleweight champion. I feel like I may have heard that. Yeah, he was into these long periods of solitude and spiritual quests, and he decided to go out into the desert and just try to find himself or whatever. I don't know exactly what his purpose was. But when you get out there and it gets to like 120, 130 degrees,

you get disoriented, and he couldn't figure out where he put his water. Wow. Yeah, he couldn't find where his stuff was. You know what's funny? How about that stuff in movies and whatnot, cartoons, where every time somebody's in the desert, they're seeing a mirage. Yeah. What is that about?

Well, you can definitely hallucinate before you die. And do you think that that's what that's predicated on, is an actual history of people having seen these oasis situations? Well, you know what it is. You know how when you're driving on the road and the road is really hot, it looks like it's wet. It looks like there's water on the road. Right. From the heat waves.

Exactly. That illusion on the road can recreate itself, I'm sure, in desert situations. It only makes sense. Right. And it's what you want to see. Yes. So you're like, you know you're in rough shape. Yeah.

You create what you need to see. Can you imagine if you did? Imagine if you're like almost dying and you find water. You'd be so psyched. You'd be like, yes. I mean, I think those are the kind of moments that make people really, truly appreciate life. And I think that's one of the reasons why people in L.A. are so fucking spoiled and ridiculous is because they don't experience real weather. It gets a little warm, and then the worst thing they have to do is turn the A.C. on.

But they don't have to shovel their way out of snow. They don't have to drive on slippery roads. They don't have to. And there's a certain amount of community that comes with everybody sort of bonding together because it's a blizzard. Right. You remember those? Oh, yeah.

Sure. You experience it all the time. Happens all the time, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a, it's the kind of situation, I think, where any time as a human being

you kind of, you lose a little bit of control over a situation, whether it's the weather or something else. You kind of take yourself outside of that realm of of how we like to compartmentalize things you know we like to like the epitome of

self-centeredness is being in control of absolutely every experience you have and never letting go and the rest of the world around you as well not just your experiences no yeah exactly you try is a control kind of situation and choosing to live in a place where where, you know, shit can go wrong or you can have a snowstorm or whatever is is kind of it's kind of an element in that it's an aspect of losing control over the space. up happening you've got people slip sliding around you've got uh essentially people coming to the realization that the the planet can can kick the shit out of you if it wants to you know i guess the earthquake would work that way earthquakes do work that way um even uh a horrible thing like 9-11 works that way it did when i was in new york i we filmed fear factor in new york like less than a year i think after, after 9-11. It was pretty close to when it happened. And man, it was just such a different vibe. Everybody was so

friendly. Everybody was so friendly and so nice. And I had a friend who blacked out. We were all hanging out in front of this bar and we stepped outside and a couple of them smoked cigarettes and I pulled out a joint. I go, who wants to get down with this? And they're like, okay, let's go. They're like these producers, like, I can't believe we're doing this. And one of them, I guess she just doesn't smoke pot or she just, for whatever reason, she took a hit. And then you see like her eyes roll behind her head and her legs go down and she almost fell like we had to catch her passed out yeah she blacked out from weed i mean like it all just went do you think it was the weed or it was just in conjunction with kind of the drama of the whole

event having happened no no it was definitely the weed because she's from la and we flew in to film fear factor there and she just oh And she just had a weird reaction to pot. For whatever reason. It was fucking space weed too. Anyway, so we called the first responders. We called the whatever they call. I don't know who they call. Paramedics.

Firemen showed up. And I swear to God, these guys were treated like fucking superheroes. Firemen and then cops came behind them. And everybody was so nice and so friendly to them because it was at that sort of honeymoon period after 9-11 where you realized, hey, when shit gets awful, we need these people. We have to count on these people.

So people were more friendly in the city in general and then really thankful when the firemen showed up. Yeah, there certainly is a kind of reset button effect when some kind of disaster happens where people feel like they've lost control, even for a moment. It is, dude, like I'm out here on the highway in LA or anywhere for that matter.

And you kind of, you have those moments where you're sitting around looking at all these vehicles and wondering how the hell this shit is staying together. Like what is, like how is everybody on this path? Because it only takes one asshole. One. What percentage of individuals is that to, like, screw it up for everyone else? Whether you're flying a goddamn plane into a building or swerving the wrong way or looking at your text messages or whatever it is, I think, you know, often we kind of take these disasters

and we kind of hold them up, you know, CNN style, like replay it over and over again, when in reality there's an argument to be made that the amazing part is that it's held together as well as it is. Yes. Half the time, you know what I mean? Well, that's the argument. There's a lot of arguments when it comes to that, but one of them about gun violence. there's a lot of arguments when it comes to that, but one of them about gun violence,

you know, there's somebody showed me a chart the other day of, uh, how much, how many people have guns, how many people actually get shot by guns and who are the people that are getting shot by guns and how many of the people that are getting shot by guns are involved in gang violence or criminal activity. And then it boils down to how many P I mean,

your chances of getting shot, mean your chances of getting shot your actual chances of getting shot like do we really have a gun problem or do we have a numbers problem and it really if you look at the the hard raw facts it's way more of a numbers problem it's a 300 million people problem that's what it is and if you look at the actual number of guns versus the number of gun incidents it it's shockingly low. But it's just we're dealing with so many human beings. And those numbers just seem – I just don't think human beings are supposed to have access to 7 billion human beings on Earth's worth of drama and stories. You know?

Yeah. you know yeah you know when this when it comes back to the to the gun situation i think that there's you know the issue there the way i see it is like it's a communication issue in that i think you've got these different groups picking a side on it it is sort of relative to their personal their personal experience and how they've been affected by it sure as opposed to big picture like what's actually happening. And inevitably what will happen is you'll have some kind of Columbine situation and all of a sudden everybody cares because of the type of people affected by it. Of course.

But then half the year when it's a different group of people shooting each other, then it's not making headline news in the same fashion. So I think it's a lot more segmented. I think that the issues affecting certain communities are more community issues than they are national issues. You know what I'm saying? Oh, they definitely are. Yeah.

Look at Chicago. Right. I mean, Chicago's close to you guys. Yeah, very much so. And the weird thing about Chicago is it's really nice. Beautiful. If you're in the right spot it's one set of circumstances

and then on the other side of some imaginary line it's a different set of circumstances their murder rate is up more than 70% this year from last year and last year was insane at least that's what I read I mean it sounds right, I keep hearing about it it's terrible

there was some kind of blog I reading, which was based on infographics. And all this guy does, the entire blog, is just following Chicago violence. That's the whole thing. And he had it all mapped out. He had every single shooting, fatal shooting, where the person was hit. It's like an amazing amount of detail that he went into on this particular blog. 72% soared. 72% in 2016. Shootings up more than 80%. 88%.

Wow. That is insane. So murder up 72%, shootings up 88% the first three months of 2016 compared to the same period last year. Fuck, man. There was a video that this guy did. He was live streaming his neighborhood, and he got shot on video did you see that god it's fucked up he's just hanging out there you know walking around and i don't know what he was saying but he was filming something and all of a sudden

you see him drop and then you see the shooter standing over him shooting at somebody else it's just fucking crazy yeah you know we look at like Juarez, Mexico. Here it is. This is it. So this guy is hanging out here. Open the stove back up for the kids, though. You know what I'm saying? I can't be out here without the stove being open.

I need somebody to duck and hide for cover. At least somebody to duck for cover. Is that what he's saying? So he's listening to music. I sleep, so they pop the stove back over for the kids. So he's wandering around. Yep. Oh.

And someone just shot him. How many bullets? What the? This guy unloaded the whole clip? Crazy. And that guy survived? No, that guy's dead as fuck oh right well that's weird watching somebody die not really into that yeah i mean i assume he's dead

i felt like if that guy kept shooting like that it's probably his work was done that's what it sure seemed like but the weird thing is it looked like he was shooting over top of him did he die it says he's in critical condition weird thing is it looked like he was shooting over top of him. Did he die? It says he was in critical condition. Oh. So, I mean, by now he might be, but he might have also survived. That place is a war zone. Yeah, it's weird.

And I think at this point we've got enough evidence to realize that at some root level we are still animals. And when it comes to vengeance, revenge, everybody is susceptible. If your brother or your neighbor gets killed or somebody you care about, you just want to go and do the same thing. Whether it's in Chicago or it's in the Middle East or wherever it happens to be, people have been doing it. I don't remember who I was talking to about this, but it was regarding whether or not more humans were responsible for killing other humans in modern history or disease, like which one was the bigger figure. Right.

And I'm sitting there thinking about it. I didn't know, but when I looked it up, it was like shocking figures in the direction of humans killing humans. Really? Of course, you're including all the wars that have ever happened millions of people that have died but this is modern modern history over time who knows but i don't know if it was on a wikipedia page or something you know the craziest craziest statistics i've ever heard about uh humans dying what's that half of all the people that have ever died ever were killed by malaria mosquitoes the most dangerous animal on

the planet fucking malaria malaria, man. I know a dude who's had it more than twice. Justin's got it again. Justin Wren, he got it again. He lives in the Congo. Well, he spends time in the Congo. He's got this foundation called Fight for the Forgotten. And they go and they build wells

in the Congo for people. And he's been over there many, many times. And this is the second time he got malaria. And one of the things he was saying is there's different forms of malaria and some malaria will last six months some malaria lasts five years and some malaria lasts 30 years 30 year malaria that's kind of like um kind of like that lyme disease hangs around right well lyme disease is devastating that's some really stuff, especially if you don't catch it quick. There's a gigantic amount of people on the East Coast that have Lyme disease. Stuff just stays in your system.

Well, it's from deer ticks, and they have to figure out what to do about that because there's a lot of places on the East Coast that are just overwhelmed with deer because they don't have predators. So they have all these deer and the only predators that they're having now, I mean, the coyotes have kind of expanded their range. And there used to be a, an animal that was more in the, in the West and the prairies. Right. There's this amazing podcast right now. If anybody's interested in this, um, my friend Steve Rinella has this show called meat eater and it's on the sportsman's channel.

And there's a new podcast or not new, but he's been doing it for a while. It's called the Meat Eater Podcast, and he's got this guy on named Dan Flores. And Dan Flores is a historian, and he was one of Steve's former professors. And he has this book coming out about coyotes. And it is fucking fascinating. The knowledge that this guy drops about coyotes will blow you away. First of all, coyotes and it is fucking fascinating the knowledge that this guy drops about coyotes will blow you away first of all coyotes are wolves it's a kind of wolf they used to call them prairie wolves that's what they used to call them but it's like a type of wolf and they breed with wolves

most wolves except gray wolves because gray wolves have a different genetic line they had left north america millions of years ago and then came back like within you know x amount of thousands of years and so they kill coyotes when they find them but red wolves and some uh other north american wolves that still survived those wolves bred with coyotes and they're creating this thing called a coy wolf which is like a hybrid of coyotes and wolves. Let me ask you something. Is this, where geographically is that happening? All over the world.

All over the country, rather. All over this country. This country, like I said, there used to be a small range of coyotes, but due to persecution, they've expanded their range. And part of it, the persecution is not by humans, but by the gray wolves because the gray wolves are killing them. So what coyotes do, this is so fascinating. Coyotes, when they call out, when you hear coyotes, and then other ones call out, what they're doing is they're doing a roll call.

They're making sure that everybody's there. And when coyotes get killed, when coyotes are under pressure, when coyotes get killed, there's a reaction in the mother where the female coyotes have larger litters. So the normal litter, if nothing's disturbed, is between three and four pups. But if they get killed, if they notice that their numbers are dwindling, their numbers jack up to as many as 13 to 14 puppies. Per litter. Per litter. Bonkers. And they're doing that as a result of being persecuted.

Real-time upgrades. Real-time upgrades. So one of the things that they've been studying this is in Yellowstone Park. Because Yellowstone Park for more than 70 years had no wolves. Because they had eradicated wolves. They had extirpated them from Yellowstone Park. Then they reintroduced them in the 1990s.

So the population of coyotes during that time was exactly the same. It was completely steady until they brought in wolves. And when the wolves started killing the coyotes, because they're gray wolves that they brought in from Canada, the gray wolves started killing the coyotes. The coyotes expanded like crazy and multiplied like nuts. And now the initial thing that happened when they brought in wolves was that the wolves killed a giant percentage of the coyotes, and the coyote population dropped by 50%. But then, once the coyotes started having much larger litters because they were being killed off by wolves,

their numbers went as high as they were before and now even higher, and now they've expanded their range. So thanks to the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone Park, we've got coyotes all over the continental North America now. Wow. It's fucking crazy. It's interesting that you brought this up. I had a very weird experience recently. I live just north of the city in Toronto, like still completely urbanized area. It would be like here to downtown LA, let's say.

And I was going to visit my parents' house. They live roughly in the same area. And I went past a place where I went to elementary school. In a neighborhood, houses everywhere, a wolf came straight in front of my vehicle, limping, looked right at me, and continued on into the back of that elementary school. A legit wolf.

I was like, is this a coyote? And I'm sizing it up as I'm staring at it. So sure enough, I'm like, this can't be true. I've never seen a wolf my whole life in this area. And then so what I ended up doing is I went online and I typed the town name along with wolf. And sure enough, people had been spotting wolves coming into that area look at this my friends live outside of edmonton yeah in alberta and that's a big one there's a big wolf was in front of my friend's truck today just walking around that fucking thing he just sent

me this this morning just walking around the street just staring at him fuck that yeah that's a different kind of animal. The way they look at you is... They're fascinating, but coyotes are almost more fascinating because of their ability to adapt. You know, they tried to wipe out the coyote during the 1930s. I don't want to give too much of this information because this is all Dan Flores' information. It's all really much better distributed by him off of this Meat Eater podcast. You really should. It's not the most

recent meat eater podcast, but the one before that. And today's date is the 20, what are we, the 20, 30th, 30th of, of, uh, April. So find it, find it, listen to it. It's amazing. You, you might not be into hunting and I get that if you're not a hunter, it's not a hunting podcast. That one is not about hunting. It's all about the wild west and about the animals that used to exist on the plains. And they're actually trying to set aside a gigantic chunk. I think it's in Montana or something like that, where they're trying to establish a new Yellowstone type of situation where they bring in a lot of these animals and allow them to live in a natural way in some large sort of, you know, like a savanna type area like that, like recreating sort of the African savannas. Wow.

Yeah. Now, that sounds dangerous to me. Well, they're just talking about animals that already exist. Oh. Animals like wolves and bison and elk. Oh, like local. Well, they're trying to have a protected area. Whatever would have lived in there.

Yeah. A large, wild, protected area where they can't develop and no one can frack and, you know, that kind of shit. Yeah. There's a video I put up the other day from, I think it was in Sweden. I forget what town it was in, but they were lighting a lake on fire. The lake has gotten so fucked up from fracking that you can light the lake on fire. The lake has gotten so fucked up from fracking that you can light the lake on fire.

So they go up to this lake with a blowtorch and they blow it on the lake and the whole lake lights on fire. That's like a bigger version of what the people were doing on the taps, right? Yes. I don't know much about fracking. I know...

The tap thing is controversial only because some people say that some of that natural gas that got into that water had already gotten into that water. And this is a common phenomenon that you could actually document back decades before fracking ever existed. So it could be that the natural gas, which was already in the water, right? They're already trying to get. That's what they're trying to get out when they're fracking, right? That it was already leaking into some water in some places.

But that doesn't remove the possibility of fracking making more of that shit get into people's water supply. So it's real tricky because they want to, these people that are anti-fracking, they want to point out the dangers of fracking. And the people that are pro-fracking, they want to pretend that there's no danger. And it's like there's no middle ground. It's like the documentary on Netflix, Merchants of Doubt. Have you seen that?

Yes. Amazing. Yeah. It's all about the agenda and the amount of money you have to further that agenda. And how much you can extract if you can push your agenda. You extract money. And then you put it back in to continue the lobby or whatever it might be to continue that conversation. And it's like when they talk specifically about how individuals,

they only need a fragment of information in order to confirm their preexisting bias. Yes. Like you don't need a whole story. Yeah. It's just like, you just have to present the alternative argument, make people think

it's an argument in the first place. Yeah. And then they'll pick the side that's more convenient to them. Like climate change. Like climate change. That's a perfect one. I mean, there's this young Republican kid

from my jujitsu class who's, like, somebody brought up climate change. It wasn't even a conversation that I was involved in. And he goes, it's a cycle. There's always been a cycle of change.

Like, are you a fucking earth scientist, dude? Like, what do you do? You know, you just got out of the Marines. And, you know, I'm pretty sure you weren't studying earth science in Afghanistan. Like, come on, man. This is like a super complicated issue that a lot of people that are, they have decades of science behind them. And they're researching the numbers,

they're trying to figure this out. They got a consensus. How come you're not with them? You know, I think part of it is the fact that the way we've sort of been conditioned via media is to feel empowered, you know? It's like you watch this clip and you think you're getting information, but in reality you're getting a headline.

You know what I mean? Because that's the flow that will keep you engaged where you feel like you're getting smarter, but there's no way in hell you're putting in the time to be educated on certain subject matter. to, as I said before, confirm kind of what you thought already, and then go out and pretend that, as you mentioned, you're some kind of authority on the situation when there's other people out there that have invested so much more in their perspective. But instead of admitting like, hey, I don't know too much about it, or it is a complicated issue, or there's more to the conversation, there's something empowering about picking a side, even if you don't necessarily know. Well, I think there's something very problematic about headlines, too. Like these gotcha clickbait headlines.

Like there was a headline recently about Bill Nye the Science Guy. You know Bill Nye? Oh, yeah, I know who he is. You know what the bow tie is? I grew up on that shit. Well, Bill Nye the Science Guy has done a fantastic job. Don't ruin my childhood. No, no, no.

It's not a bad thing about him. He's fine. It wasn't him. But Bill Nye the Science Guy has done a fantastic job of trying to make science interesting to people. Oh, right. And trying to educate people and trying to make science something that's compelling and make young people drawn to it. So Bill Nye the Science Guy was having a conversation with this guy and the article the topic of the article or the uh the headline said bill nye favors prison terms for climate

deniers so you're like what the fuck so like is bill nye lost his fucking mind has he gone crazy so i i read this piece and then i watched the actual interview with Bill Nye. He never said such a thing ever. Someone suggested that climate deniers should go to jail because these energy CEOs and these people that are spreading misinformation are directly harming the people that are going to be affected by that. They know that they're saying something incorrect. They do it to distribute propaganda, and there's other people that are going to be affected by it. So Bill Nye says, that's interesting. When you're talking about these energy CEOs and these people are making

choices that are going to directly affect our quality of life, what do we do about it? That's all he said. I mean, that's literally all he said. The headline says, Bill Nye favors climate deniers going to jail. I mean, this clickbait bullshit. So then you read that and you're like, he's a fucking fascist. You know, you're not even a scientist. Do you know where he got his degree? And who's the type of personality who's most inclined to pick that is an individual who

doesn't want to invest in discovering even the article. Yeah. They'll just take, because it's easier. It's easier to take the headline and form your perspective than it is to invest into it. Well, also because the people that are putting that headline out, all they want to do is make people read it.

That's it. Yeah. Watch it, read it, get the clicks, get the money. That's where they get the ad clicks. The impressions. Yeah. I mean, that's the only thing they're trying to do. And they're trying to make it as salacious and as inviting as possible.

Yeah, and the thing is, the only way to really combat that is to bounce, is to get out of there as quickly as possible. Because the way I understand it, not necessarily an expert in the field, kind of done a few things on YouTube. necessarily an expert in the field kind of done a few things on youtube but like as far as the google page rank is concerned if you if a site is getting a quick bounce rate like if people are landing on it and leaving really quickly then it would it could potentially be ranked lower in the future because of that oh okay so you have to have a certain amount of time that you hover on a site before you so so the money yeah so no no not for them to unlock money, but for them to surface in the future. Like Google will penalize sites that have low retention. Oh.

Just like videos that have low retention. That's very intelligent. Yeah, but the problem is that you probably had to read the whole damn thing to get to the conclusion that he didn't say it. Well, I watched the interview itself. Oh, okay. It was video. Yeah, it was video and there was a text along with the video. Let's, can we, we should name the site, the piece of shit site that ruined your day.

Okay. Well, it didn't ruin my day. If you can find it on, because I defended Bill Nye on Twitter and I said that's not his words. It's not what he was saying. But let's watch the video itself. And if we watch the video itself, you can see how deceptive it is to say that he favors

people who deny climate change to go to jail. Because that's not what he's saying at all. Essentially he's saying that we should look at people that are ruining the earth, like these energy CEOs that wantonly pollute these areas in order to gain profit here we go let's let's just play it so we can hear it

you're the environmentalist here at the people's climate march in 2014 september he said that the climate deniers his word and energy ceos belong at the hague with three square meals and a cot with all the other war criminals. What is your thought on that? Do you think some of the rhetoric on your side, as I'm sure both sides, but some of the rhetoric on your side gets too carried away? I mean, what's your thought on jailing skeptics as war criminals? We'll see what happens. Was it appropriate to jail the guys from Enron? Interesting.

Okay, right. So we'll see what happens. If was it appropriate to jail people from the cigarette industry who insisted, who insisted that this addictive product was not addictive and so on. And you think about in these cases, for me as a taxpayer and voter, the doubting, the introduction of this extreme doubt, where you go with extreme doubt about climate change, is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen. So I can see where people are very concerned about this and are pursuing criminal investigations as well as engaging in discussions like this. See, that is a very measured response. in discussions like this.

See, that is a very measured response. And he's essentially talking about people like the BP people that fucking polluted the golf. That's what he's talking about. He's not saying that someone who, like the kid from my jiu-jitsu class that thinks it's a cycle of life should go to jail. Yeah, and even if you look at the very end there, he made sure to say, I can see why people might think something like that instead of necessarily confirming that that's the outcome he wants to see yeah i mean he's making good

points yeah i mean and you if you do like that merchants of doubt movie which is an amazing movie if you watch that movie you realize that the same people that were working for the tobacco industry that were denying the addictive effects of tobacco, are the same people that are denying climate change. The same human beings. Like, not the same kind of people, but the exact same people. Yeah, that's a little bit much. Well, that's what they do.

That's a little bit much. And they get checks. There's direct checks from these tobacco companies. There's direct checks from these energy companies. They're getting paid for this. Yeah. You know, coming back to the clickbait subject, I don't think that clickbait is always bad.

No, it's not always bad. Like, I think there's a difference between clickbait and lying. Right. You know, like, I think sometimes clickbait gets too much of a bad rap. Like, in the sense of of i think a headline should be intriguing it should pique your interest should compel you to click yes which you could say is bait you know but like i feel like navigating the real world is full of clickbait oh sure coffee is clickbait oh yeah i mean when you see a girl on a tight skirt that's not a toyota clickbait that's

clickbait yeah so so in that sense i feel I feel like there's a place for it. But I think people use the technique to essentially lie, and it gives the whole kind of system a bad rap. Well, in that Bill Nye situation, not only is it click bait, I think it's like he should fucking sue. I mean, not really, but he could. Let's not employ any more lawyers, Joe. Let's not get the ball rolling in that direction. But so many people on my timeline were calling him a fascist, and these fucking left-wingers are so far left, now they're right.

Nobody had watched the video. Nobody had read it. It was just immediate reaction with as little information as possible for you to be upset. Yeah. Again, the knee-jerk response of the web. You know, there's like a lot of stuff going on YouTube right now. I'm kind of immersed in the YouTube world, social media world, whatever. There's like a lot of drama that's getting rewarded recently.

Like what kind of drama? Oh, man. And like without going into too much detail. There's like There's a lot of there's a lot of channels that popped up kind of kind of hating on people Yeah, that's all they do Yeah And and that's like the entire agenda is to use other people's content as the vehicle for you to have a channel Mm-hmm. So like I'm today I'm gonna shit on this video and tomorrow'm gonna shit on that video and so there's this kind of conversation about about whether or not that like is that still fair use

in that environment because the understanding i mean and it's it's it's not definitive but the understanding i have of fair use is that like if you're compelling people to go look at the original like you just did with the information about coyotes you took a moment and you said okay this is this guy's research or whatever like so go check him out you actually did him a service there instead of the alternative of you could have just talked about and so on well in the case of these types of videos people are using actual clips from these channels that they're shitting on and that's making up their channel. Anyways, you're not going to go watch the original, right? You're happier to listen to this guy's shit on stuff. And so anyway, the problem is that algorithmically, it feels like drama sells, right? Just like in the regular world.

And so some of these channels are rapidly growing, rapidly growing on the backs of essentially making fun of people. making fun of people. So there's some sort of feeling in the community that YouTube has changed or you get a lot of these people that are like, make YouTube great again, stuff like that. But I mean, I don't necessarily agree with that. But I think that there is maybe a conversation to be had about how much freedom we're willing to give individuals to essentially build their product on the back of other people's. Well, that is an important issue when it comes to fair use. Like if someone just decided to make an unboxing unbox therapy channel and all their shit is just shitting on what you do. Look at this fucking dummy talking about watches. That's not really fair use.

I mean, they're kind of stealing your content and becoming something with your content only, exclusively. Or other people's content. Like, they don't really have content. Their content is other people's content. And you get, like, a few layers deep on that, and you realize it's kind of like, it's kind of a fucked up scenario. And you wonder about what it breeds. Like, there was this issue with the Fine Brothers. Do you know who they are?

The Fine Brothers. I've heard them. Who are they? So they have this really popular channel, maybe like 10, 11, 12 million subscribers or something. Jesus. Yeah. And they do react videos. Oh, so they watch something and then they react to it.

No, no, no. They don't personally. They have people on. So it'll be like kids react. Then it'll be like grandparents react. And then it'll be like famous YouTubers react. Athletes react. Somebody's reacting.

Right. But essentially, the core of their – and they've been doing this for a long time. The core aspect of the model is that there's this thing you're reacting to, whether it's a viral video, a trend, whatever it might be. a trend, whatever it might be. Well, recently they tried to trademark the term React so that anybody who uploaded a video with the term React in it, that they could claim it and earn the ad revenue. Oh, my God. They must be stopped.

Did you know about this, Jamie? Yeah, I tried. I think I told you about this at one point when it first maybe like started online. What kind of fucking cunt thinks that they can own the word react? So they launched this video. So they launched this video where essentially they're explaining how this process will work for people. They're telling you that you can sign up with us today and we'll license it back to you. What?

Who the fuck are these guys? They're out of their fucking mind. They are out of their fucking mind. The story gets better. Yeah, but here's the thing, though. Real quick, they're not the only ones. So there's other companies out there that have already been doing this in quiet. There's a company called Jukin Media.

And there was a company called jukin media and um there was a story this guy uh what was his name devin super tram he makes like action action videos i don't know what you would call them action videos sure he used he used a title called people are awesome that was the title of his video for his demo reel for i've seen that yeah and and he didn't know that juke and media had already trademarked that title people are awesome they own it and how can you own people are awesome exactly exactly because they whoever's got enough money to pay the right lawyer god knows how it happens insane but the the the idea that you can trademark those three words together that is so insane so they were able to issue a copyright pull down on his video

and oh my god and uh and so that was acting as his demo reel to get jobs and stuff like that and so he did a follow-up kind of explaining what had happened but uh so anyway getting back to kind of the drama component, it's like people are kind of looking at YouTube now a little differently, like, wow, maybe here's this completely open space where people were allowed to do whatever they wanted. But like, what are the consequences of that? Well, you're putting out a certain type of frequency, right? I mean, that's what you're putting out. If you're putting out a frequency, what you're saying is you want to own all the react videos. That's the greedy cunt frequency.

You threw out the greedy cunt bat signal and you're letting everybody know you're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit and you want to steal money. Well, you know the best part is. That's stealing money, right? I mean, it's stealing money. If you make a reaction video, you want to watch two girls, one cup or guy getting run over by a buffalo. They want money from you watching that video. That's stealing what they've done is they've used lawyers to circumvent the system They've jacked the system, and they're gonna try to steal have they actually copyrighted the word react so is this valid so they

They retracted what happened was the internet lost its shit as you would expect and these guys there were videos on YouTube which were live streams These were so funny when this was going on essentially what they were is the subscriber count of their channel Shortly after the controversy had hit and it would just like fell off a cliff like it should go to zero Well, he never went to see 100% go to zero. It should go to zero it never went to zero 100 go to zero it should go to zero it never went to zero they don't deserve anything yeah that's what they want to do you really want to reach out to everyone using the word react in a video and you want money from them fuck you fuck you you're everything that's wrong with distributing content over the internet that's everything that's wrong with it you've taken one of the sneakiest most diabolical fucking tricks

and all the legal system and you've applied it to this open, free world of the internet. And you're a piece of shit. That's a parasitic behavior. Let me ask you something. That's cancer. I agree. They came back, retracted it, apologized. Fuck them.

Fuck them. Fuck them for even thinking that that would be okay. I thought you were going to give them a second chance. No fucking chances. You can't think like that. You be okay. I thought you were going to give them a second chance. No fucking chances. You can't think like that. You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't go after people.

It's not like it has anything to do with anything you created. Yeah. You're just stealing. There were some stories going around that they had effectively shut down these small time channels. Oh my God. Completely. Cunts.

Who are they again? The Fine Brothers. Cunts. Cunts. Who are they again? The Fine Brothers. Cunts. Cunts. You can't do that, man. There's probably some lawyer who talked them into doing that. Oh yeah.

We're going to own it. It's going to be amazing. We got it. We got it, dude. We got the copyright. Yeah. Fuckers. It's a weird-

Ugh. That's so gross. The idea behind going after people, it's not like there's something that you created and you know they came along something like completely unique well they were you wanted to copyright you know what happened was they were they went so far as trying to go after ellen because she did she did reactions on tv oh my god so she would have kids kids reacting but you know what the crazy you should go to jail You should go to jail for that.

The craziest part. You fucked up the whole legal system. Didn't that format exist before that? Fuck yeah. Did Bill Cosby do that? Dude, I did a react to Two Girls, One Cup video. Like in 2003 or something like that. Brian and I did it.

You should have copyrighted it. So gross. Yeah. It's so gross, man. But anyway, I don't know. man but anyway i don't know i think um i don't know it's scary both ways because at the same time you're like well do you really want youtube to come in as this massive governing body to stop stuff like this from happening well that yeah that kind of stuff yeah yeah i agree there's some clear-cut shit like the word react you can't use react or people are awesome fuck you or people are awesome.

Fuck you, man. People are awesome is still there and still functioning. Oh, fuck. If we title this video right here People Are Awesome, we're gone. They would take it down. They're ripping us down instantly. See, that doesn't seem right to me. That's like saying love.

You know what I mean? Like the copyright and the word love or action. People are awesome. Wasn't it, didn't Disney. How many people have said that? Didn't Disney copyright Happy Birthday, right? Well, Happy Birthday to You, the song, was copywritten for a long time, but it's since been dissolved. Ah, okay.

Now, because it used to go to like a restaurant and they used to have to sing their own like, Happy, happy birthday, happy. They couldn't sing happy birthday to you that song that we all know the iconic song somebody owned it so if you wanted to sing that song in your restaurant when someone came in they were celebrating a birthday you would actually get fined you would actually have to pay money let me ask you this i mean just because we're on on topic, how do you feel in general about like digital rights and whatnot? Like, are you are you really fancy about it? Like, let's say you had some content.

I know sometimes you have like musicians on here, right? And they kind of seem to me to be like a little bit out of touch with the internet space. And I'm just wondering, like, if a person is purchasing or streaming or buying something that somebody's trying to sell digitally, how do you feel about that? What is that? How do you think that should work? Selling things digitally? Well, like, let's say, for example, you had a record and you found out that a bunch of people were pirating it Right would you go out how hard would you be willing to go after them?

Well see it completely depends upon whether or not What your business is so I my feeling is that one of the things about music and You could use the same argument for stand-up comedy is that pirating in a lot of ways empowers people. Like when someone puts up my stand-up on their YouTube channel, I'm not into taking that down because I think that even when I was selling it, I'm just not, I'm not into taking that down. And the reason being is because I think the more people see it, the more people come to see your live shows, the more people will come to support your stand up, whether it's on Netflix or Comedy Central or whatever. They'll pay more attention to it.

So it's in a way it's kind of free advertising in that way. Music companies don't tend to think about it that way. And we had a recent problem that was pretty fucking disgusting. Well, we had an act on and the musical act played. They played a small section of one of their songs. And then the music company that owned that section of the song wanted all the ad rights for our show, for that episode. And so we contacted the artist, and the artist said, well, I'll get that taken care of. The music company's decision was, no, just tell them to not dispute the the claim and we'll take the ad revenue, and then it'll be fine

We won't take down the video. I go you won't take down. It's a fucking three-hour video We paid 15 seconds of a song and you want all the ad revenue fuck you and I told them I'm like look dude you get this taken care of or I'm gonna delete the episode go fuck yourself like this is ridiculous I that's some greedy Sneaky bullshit that record companies are still trying to do because record companies have to justify the fact They've got X amount of employees in a giant building on sunset. You don't need that anymore. Okay, your bill your business is dead Okay, it's sorry, but this is what you got. You got iTunes music Google Play and that's it. That's it That's your business now. The real business is artists getting their shit out on YouTube and on social media and then doing concerts. And that's where they make the bulk of their money.

They used to be the opposite. It used to be artists made the bulk of their money from the record sales, and then they made some of the money from concerts. from concerts. So what happens was the record companies would rip them off for record sales, and they would come up with all these elaborate accounting methods to fix the profit. So they made it look like all their expenses had to be paid first before they counted the profit. They didn't take into consideration the artists learning how to play, going on the road, doing all these gigs, creating this song, all the time spent writing. They don't take that into consideration, but they do calculate all their employees,

all their expenses, all their advertising revenue, how much it costs to rent their building, how much it costs for insurance, how much it costs for errors and omissions insurance, all those different things they do take into account before you get paid. So the artists were fucked. Like there's a lot of artists that got unbelievably bad record deals. Like the reason why Prince had changed his name to a symbol, because they fucking owned his name. So that crafty bastard just decided to make his name some sort of a weird symbol and become the artist formerly known as Prince. And they couldn't do shit about it.

It was a really clever workaround for Prince but it was essentially in response to these devious practices by these fucking record companies right so in that sense I think like if someone if you have an album and everybody loves it and then people start pirating it and then it gets all over the place like some musicians I had Paul Stanley on from Kiss. I heard that one. That's kind of what I'm referencing. He was super adamant about it, but he's so old school, man. He's so old school. He was super adamant about it that it's stealing. Well, I get this vibe from those conversations that like, it's almost like these people are

kind of, they're wishing that an ecosystem existed still that doesn't. Of course. Well, he made fucking hundreds of millions of dollars through that ecosystem. But I think the truth is, the hard truth, is that, at least on the economic side, music isn't worth what it used to be worth. Absolutely.

And I don't like saying that because to me it matters. And I engage with it and it hasn't, in a non-economic way it might mean more than ever now that more people have access to it and you can be exposed to so much more of it but on like a per song basis it's a there's a supply and demand situation now of we have an abundance of potential music to interact with so there's no way that each song can possibly be worth what it used to be worth. Well, there's no way because it's so easy to access now. That's one thing. And the other thing is the sheer numbers of songs that get put out every day. They all exist now. You could go

back and listen to some Roy Orbison from the 1950s, or you can listen to some shit that some new band that you haven't heard of just put out last week. They haven't stopped making bands. They haven't stopped making music. It's all just adding up. So the collective pile of music is massive. I would say it's accelerating because the barrier to entry in actually creating continues to be lowered.

Yes. Like actually the equipment you need. A laptop. That's it. Yeah, a laptop, microphone it yeah you know laptop microphone you can create music on you know garage band 100 you really can create a good have you ever heard of tonetta do you know who tonetta is no tonetta is an interesting cat man he's a guy who lives in toronto and uh cool he's like this he's like this weird androgynous guy in his 50s who's got a kid who makes his own music.

And he got famous for these songs on YouTube. This is him. Whoa. He makes these videos where he just puts up like a curtain behind him. And he makes these YouTube videos. And he sings these songs. And some of them are fucking good like pull up a really big cock that's uh that's like one of my favorite place to

start but here's the thing it sounds like ridiculous right but it's actually a cool song like listen to the list let's play it give me some volume Jamie look at this guy. There's no money in this for him. He's just some weirdo hanging out. I don't know. These are good songs It's a hell of a bass line But look at this video I mean

This could not be Anymore geocities.com You know I mean It's so low rent He does it in his apartment In Toronto He just has a camera Pointed at him Like really primitive I mean, it's so low rent. He does it in his apartment in Toronto.

He just has a camera pointed at him, like really primitive. He's got a bunch of different weird dresses that he puts on and outfits. And he's really strange. But this guy, he does it all himself. And he's got this massive cult following from doing this all himself. I bought his vinyl. I own his stuff. I bought it on iTunes,. I bought his vinyl. I own his stuff. I bought it on iTunes, and I bought the vinyl of it, too,

just because I want to support it. Yeah, and you know what? That's a great point you make there. I remember reading something recently. Don't quote me. I don't know the figures, but that artists, a lot of artists are actually making more off the vinyl than they are off the digital, even though the volume is so much lower

just because the actual per- per unit cost is so high. So like big bands are doing special edition releases on vinyl and such to kind of get back some of that lost revenue that's existed because of digital. So that's an interesting angle to take. But I think people are like you, where you're kind of almost doing it not because you really need to have it on vinyl, but because you want to support you're you're you're kind of almost doing it not because you really need to have it on vinyl but because you want to support something that you like unfortunately I think it's a small percentage of people that do that most people if they can get it for free they get it for free because most

people are constantly worried about their bills you know and then if you can get something for free and download it no one's watching I mean that totally makes sense yeah artists making more of vinyl sales is streaming services the article well streaming services are the worst. But are they? They are, and here's why. They're owned by the record companies, and they've circumvented the whole selling album system.

Right, but isn't it the demand from the customer that is always going to drive the marketplace? If people want streaming services, sorry to break it to you, that's the reality we have to live in. Of course they want it. Well, they want free money, too. If you could could just hand out free money that'd be great as well but i mean in this particular case with music right doesn't music work better when you can just launch any song that exists on the planet streaming services are profitable and they're making a

lot of money right now the streaming services are making a lot of money the artists aren't making an artist an artist doesn't need to be on on Spotify. There are plenty of examples of people who pulled their stuff off Spotify. Taylor Swift. Me. Oh. My podcast. I won't put my podcast on. There you go. That's easy. Yeah. It's because the amount of money that they pay you is fucking ridiculously low. Right. It's insane. Taylor Swift pulled their shit off Spotify.

When you get a big artist like Taylor Swift pulling their shit off Spotify. Yeah. I don't know how much she made off Spotify. The figure is maybe a couple million or something. No, she didn't make a couple million bucks. I don't know, maybe $500,000. No, no, no. It was so low, it was insane.

I think it's somewhere in there. I think it's way less than that. But that's for the biggest artist that exists on the platform. Well, we went over this before, where we looked at the one song that got played the most on Spotify and how much that artist got for it. And it was like 2,000 bucks.

Yeah, it's a fraction of a penny per play. But see, my feeling though is, is the Spotify audience, are they a crossover of the iTunes audience or are they a crossover of the pirating audience? I think they're a radio audience because it's like, instead of tuning into a local radio station.

I guess what I'm saying is, in the absence of Spotify, do those millions and millions of users, do they turn to iTunes and give you the 99 cents? Or do they give you nothing? Because if they're giving you nothing and stealing it, right, then isn't Spotify better than that alternative? If it's the pirating audience. Exactly. that alternative because at least if it's the pirating audience exactly and this is the fear that the this is the thing that the music business doesn't seem to want to address is that when Napster hit everybody was a pirate I don't care who you are right I walk around and talk to people it was so superior to any other method for discovering music even if you wanted you didn't want to steal things it's like fuck this is. Right. But the problem is this is not pirating because pirating nobody benefited from.

Everybody got free stuff, but no one profited. What this is is record companies supporting these streaming services. I might disagree with that. Well, again, this is not a direct. But hold on. Let me finish my sentence. Go ahead. Record companies created a platform, a financially profitable platform to stream from.

That's a big difference between that and pirating because pirating doesn't have any central location. They're just floating around. The only central location was Napster, right? So Napster got taken down because of that. But Napster wasn't really profitable. Like these Spotify's, they figured out a way to sort of circumvent this whole downloading situation, make things streaming.

They stream everything. There are alternatives to Spotify, like Jay-Z's service, Tidal. Yeah, and they're equally criticized. Yeah, except that one is owned by artists, not record labels. And they have similar issues in trying to pay actual artists. Because at the end of the day, if they raise the price of their service, if Spotify goes from $10 to $20, people aren't going to have it.

Well, what are the percentage of people that use Spotify that actually pay? I bet it's way less. I bet most people get the free Spotify, like the vast majority. I'm sure the data's out there. It's a good question. Because I don't think people are paying for it. I guess what I'm trying to get back to

is just this idea that music just simply isn't as valuable as it was. And I think that it's tough as an artist. Again, I can sense, I feel the pressure of artists right now. Well, it's the way you're saying it. Yeah, I know. It's problematic in the way you... Economically. Economically.

I'm not saying the value, the inherent value in expression. Maybe a better way to say it is the market is completely changed and dissolved. There you go. And it's not that the work is less valuable. It's arguably more valuable in troubling times. These are certainly troubling times. And music is a massive source of inspiration and mood and enhancement to people. And that's why I also curbed it by it by saying like, it's more important,

it's arguably more important emotionally and all the rest of it. But I'm just specifically talking about that. I think artists need to recognize that and then they can, whatever system comes forth for how to deliver the future of how we listen to music,

at least they're involved in that process instead of just being like participating in the current one. It's like you need to be on Spotify for a number of different reasons as an emerging artist because that's the way people are discovering music. So there's a lot of pressure there to participate even though you're not getting rewarded for it. As an emerging artist,

but as an artist that already is doing well and established making money and you realize that Spotify needs people like you in order to legitimize its company, then it becomes an issue, right? Well, our subscriber growth in the last six months of 2015, what does that mean? Okay, just 10 million paid subscribers. Apple Music, 10 million. According to stats now, Spotify just crossed 100 million total users.

A paying number could be more than 30 million. Why don't they tell you that? What does that mean, though? That's not a real number. They're saying could be more. Whenever something says could be more, it could be three people. Could be more than 30 million, but it could be like five dudes.

Spotify announces 20 millionth paying subscriber. Okay. Back in June of 2015, Spotify announces 20 millionth paying subscriber with an ad-based free user base of 55 million. Okay. That's a pretty decent- 75 million total and 20 million paying subscribers. Huh.

See, the problem is too like if you have a podcast on it they can get rid of your ads they could put their own shit on it they can do whatever they want listen i'm not i'm not making an argument for spotify i'm just like i just it piqued my interest in a number of a number of times that it's being discussed it's like i think yeah big artists they can take a stand taylor swift can take a stand she doesn't need the 500 000 bucks but if you look at those numbers like those those numbers, that's a lot of money. Yeah. You're talking about 75 million people. So

50, whatever they are, 50 million, they're using ad revenue. And then the other 25 million they're actually paying for the service. That's an insane amount of money. Yep. 75 million people paying $10 a month. Or 25 million people paying $10 a month and then the other 50 just getting their ad revenue from?

That's a lot of fucking people. Yeah, but you can see the breakdown. It's not like hand over fist that they're making money. Right, but it's still the record companies. The record companies are the ones that are in charge of this. They're massive contributors to these companies. Yeah, of course. So they figured out a new way to not pay artists and to stay open, stay valid.

Yeah, artists appear to be people that get taken advantage of, have been for the last 50 years. Well, that's why the Jay-Z thing is a great thing, to have artists doing it. But see, he was charging more, and that's why their user base, they're in trouble. Apparently, they're in trouble because they couldn't build a substantial user base at the cost they wanted to get. How much is he charging? What is it? It was like $20?

Yeah, but higher quality, you're getting two. Yeah. Higher quality audio? Yeah. Lossless audio. Higher quality audio. People don't care about that, though, which is the issue. They really don't, right?

They just get the 320 kilobyte because you can't hear the difference. It's really hard to. Well, I had an amp once that I attached to my iPod. I had an iPod and then an iPod amp. I set it up once, never used it again. It was bullshit. Like, it's barely better. Convenience.

That's the thing. Convenience in many ways trumps quality. It trumps your... Well, that's the beauty of iTunes. Yeah. And then Apple's music streaming service. Well, see, but in the case of iTunes, you can make the argument, like, Apple's then involved in the promotion of your business, right? Because they're getting

a huge chunk. Yeah, they're the biggest distribution of all music right now, if you want to break it down that way. No CDs are being sold at, like, Best Buy, unless you can really search really hard and find the one Best Buy that has. Yeah, who the fuck has CDs anymore? I had a White Stripe CD in my office and I was cleaning out my office and I was sitting

on my desk and I'm like, I'm just going to throw this out. I have it on my phone. Why would I want a stupid copy of it that I'm not going to plug in anymore? Here's the thought on that though. I've been having a lot recently because I've seen some things happen. If all of the music you like, let's say pick your 10 favorite albums of all time. You don't have a physical copy of but you have them saved on your Apple, your iMusic, whatever it is, whatever service you pick.

If it's all in the cloud, they can technically go change that music whenever they choose to. Change it. Yeah. Kanye West has been doing something really recently right now where he put out an album on Tidal last month. And for about a month, they were kind of tweaking it. They were changing the mastering on it. They were changing the mastering on it. They were changing the featured artists on it even on one song. Oh, so while it was up, he was tweaking it.

He's gone back on another album that's already been out for a long time now and changed some of the mastering on two of those songs, and some people think he might be doing more. No one knows, but it's a thought that I've been having that one of my favorite albums I went to go back and find, the track order is out of order now now some of the songs are missing it's because that artist has decided not to have to pull it down that album up on I or on Spotify the way it originally was so if you wanted to have that album you need

to own it the way the way he put it out in 2011 or you never have that actual album you have what if whatever they have existing in the cloud and that's some deep shit sure that's and that's some deep shit that's fascinating some deep shit see i support someone being able to do that because that's kind of interesting like what he's doing by changing the mastering and adding new tracks and fucking around with things it actually is compelling like it makes you want to kind of tune into it and it's very intelligent on his part i think he does like as dumb as that dude is yeah and as egocentric as that dude is, he's

so ridiculous, but he makes some really good moves. Like when he goes on this massive rant about Bill Cosby being innocent right before he releases his shit. I mean, it's a classic troll move. It's a little too much for me most of the time, but. He's so entwined in the world of hate though. He has so much hate coming at him it almost makes sense to cultivate that hate and use it like judo it in the right direction he knows what he's

doing yes for sure 100% 100% what's gonna happen when he tweets something crazy yeah I mean look do you really think he thinks Bill Cosby's innocent get the fuck out of here nobody thinks Bill Cosby's innocent even Bill Cosby sitting around with his one fucking good eye going maybe I did rape those girls even he is like coming to terms the fact that he might be a piece of shit his wife left him I mean that crazy wife of his it smiled through all those interviews she's like I'm ghost she's a dark that's dark you look at those interviews and you watch her mm-hmm like she's smiling she knows something she knows something's up well she's been protected by

royalty for so long because he existed as a celebrity in a strange time when an artist can get away with almost anything. I mean, you were in a bubble, you were different. And I think that being in a bubble and also I think for a guy like you or I to try to even understand what it's like to be as famous as Bill Cosby. It's impossible. I think it's probably an unmanageable level of fame at a certain point in his life, especially when he had Bill Cosby himself and the Cosby Show on NBC. He was fucking royalty, man. And during that time, he was inviting these girls to come over and read scripts and suck

his dick and fucking drugging them. And they'd wake up with their panties down by their ankles and cum in their hair. They didn't know what the fuck was going on. And he just got away with it over and over and over again. And because he got away with it and because of the way people treated him, it sort of fostered this really crazy sociopathic behavior that he had. Yeah. Did he? Where does that stand?

Oh, he's going to jail. Oh, he is? Oh, yeah. They're trying him, man. The criminal case is going to go forward. The judge already ruled that she had signed some shit saying that she couldn't testify against him, that she wouldn't bring charges, and that she wouldn't reveal the details of the case. But then she did reveal the details of the case.

So you know what he did? He sued her. So he's suing her for going back on her deal because he paid her off. I think he paid her like several million dollars to keep her mouth shut. And the argument was that because they had made this deal, he shouldn't be able to be prosecuted. But unfortunately for him, the deal that he had made was a verbal deal only. There was nothing written down. This is one of the things the judge had said, like, you got to get this shit written down, dude. We're going to trial.

So he's going to be charged. And they recently announced it over the last couple of days that they're charging him. There's a criminal case. Oh, man. I mean, he's an old, old man with half an eyeball. Would that be a jury in that case? That's a good question. Or a judge? I don't know.

That's a very good question. Because you've got to wonder, being a juror up against Bill Cosby. I don't think anybody would think that he's innocent. At this point in time, I don't think anybody thinks he's innocent. Right. I think the water's completely tainted. a way for kanye west he believes it i think in a way what they're doing well chuck d that was one of the fucking saddest shit chuck d was calling him dr cosby why is that i don't know because of the show Was he a doctor on the show? He's a doctor, like an honorary degree that they retracted.

So he was calling them from Public Enemy. What is with those titles? You know, like you're a doctor, so everywhere you go, everyone has to call you doctor. He actually wanted people to call him Dr. Cosby. That was one of his things. He's a fucking weird guy, man. I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again just for you. There was a show that I did in Seattle, the Seattle area, this casino.

And one of the people that was working there said that Cosby used to have these people sit down before the show. He had all the employees, like the ushers, the door people. They sit down and watch him eat dinner. He would sit there and eat curry, and they had to watch him. They had to stand in the room and watch him eat before the show. Watch him? Watch him eat. That's one of those things.

He wanted people to watch him eat his curry. So he would sit down there and eat, and they would all just stand there and say nothing. They weren't allowed to talk. They'd sit down there and watch him eat. And he also had security guards tuck him in bed at night. Like, he would go and lay down in his bed, and he wanted them to tuck him in shut the lights out and leave let me ask you this is this the case of just a severely fucked up individual or is this the case of a relatively normal individual getting fucked up by circumstances like being

this super famous you're responsible for getting fucked up if you're a normal person and you get super famous and you become fucked up, you are responsible. But a high percentage do, though. Yeah, but not in that way. That's an extreme version of it. That's a different kind of way. Ego might get in the way and trip off.

A lot of people might trip over the dick of ego. That's super common. I saw when Prince died recently, I saw an infographic. I don't even know. Maybe you tweeted it about the average age of male pop stars when they die. I don't know. I don't know who tweeted it. He was the exact age.

55? Whatever age he was, 54, somewhere in there. That's the average age for a male pop star. Female wasn't too different either. Well, his situation was he was addicted to painkillers. Pain pillers. Well, it just recently came out addicted to painkillers, pain pillers. Well, it just recently came out that he had- He overdosed. But he had been refusing treatment for AIDS as well. Is that true? I don't know if that's true. Oh, really? Yeah, let's look that up.

But I know for sure he had a hip issue, like a severe hip problem, that he probably need hip surgery. He was taking pain medication and he had overdosed on pain medication. Yeah, yeah, no, he was definitely addicted to pain medication as well. I just remember a story coming out shortly after. About HIV? That he had believed that he wasn't going to take treatment. Prince suffered from AIDS but refused treatment as he believed God would cure him, U.S. tabloid claims.

See, yeah, see, that's U.S. tabloid claims. But he was a Christian scientist, wasn't he? Or a Jehovah's Witness. Yeah. And Jehovah's Witness don't use, they don't use medicine, right? Isn't that what's going on? Cause he, cause he got, wait a minute then, how the fuck is he taking pain pills then? Supposedly he was on opiates too, so I don't think. Well, that's pain pills. Yeah. That doesn't make, that logic doesn't make sense, I suppose. Well, people are just fucking convenient with their logic, aren't they? Yeah.

He was a weird guy, man. First of all, Prince was like androgynous and he's all about free love and he wore high heels, but he didn't like gay people. Do you know one of the things that Prince, I mean, Prince is like a known homophobe. And one of the things that he said in a recent interview, and I hate to disparage him in his death because he was a brilliant artist and all that good stuff. in his death because he was a brilliant artist and all that good stuff but he was talking about how one of the problems with the world today is that god set all these rules and then you know people just decide they want to stick their dick in this hole or that hole and just do anything they want to do and you can't do that and they were asking him about gay marriage and you know he was saying that this is not what god wanted this is not what god asked for like see if you

can find the exact quote because it was pretty disturbing coming from a guy that you expect because of his sort of androgynous nature and how weird and odd he was. Yeah, do you think he's going further in that direction because... He's getting older? No, no, no, no. I meant just maybe because of his actual personal experience. Like, in a way, you know, some people, they overcompensate on one side. Like in a way, you know, some people they overcompensate on one side. Honestly, I think with Prince, based on what I've seen of his interviews, I think he was insanely sheltered because he was so famous.

And that he could basically say anything and nobody would disagree with him. And he cultivated some really fucking wacky opinions. First of all, he believed that the government was spraying things in the sky that made people fight in the ghetto. I remember that. I heard that interview. Yeah. Yeah, it's insane. It was like everybody would be fine, and then they would be spraying in the sky, and then be like, why is everybody fighting? Why are we all fighting? Because you're poor, and you're living in the ghetto, and there's crime, and that's just what happens in crime-riddled areas. There's violence. It's not the government spraying the sky. What a random thing to do. The government just decided to spray the entire city and then hope that everybody beats the shit out of each other? For what purpose?

Very convenient. They have money in ambulances? Where's the profit margin in this? Millions of dollars spraying the sky with anger chemicals. And what fucking chemicals have been proven to make people angry when you spray it from the sky? Yeah. Whiskey vapor. chemicals and what fucking chemicals have been proven to make people angry when you spray it from the sky um yeah whiskey vapor they'd probably be more fucking and hugging i mean what percentage of people actually get angry when they get drunk there's another one because think about all the people that go to bars right yeah you get a fucking bar filled with people you got a thousand people in there how many of them become angry when they're drunk it's not even one it's a small

percentage it's a very rare thing that people get super angry and violent because they're drunk. Most, like, I get happy. Same. When I'm drunk, I'm hugging and laughing. I might get a little obnoxious, but I'm not mean. I'm definitely not looking to start fights. So, yeah, that's a weird one. I think some people will say, like, hey, that guy's an angry drunk.

Some people are, yeah. Yeah, you've heard that before. But is that just maybe who they are all the time? I think there's some deep-seated problems. Yeah, and then somehow the alcohol sort of coerces it out of them, maybe. Well, the alcohol releases your inhibitions and your anger. What does it say? Prince denies anti-gay rights remarks.

New Yorker stands by story. This is from 2008. Yeah, but see, the problem is they quoted him. It was like there were direct quotes. Yeah, he, well, as far as this story came out, I'm assuming when he died, a lot of quotes came out of stuff he said. And this story, which I traced back, which is when he was still alive, obviously, he came out after this story came out in New Yorker.

He said he was grossly misquoted and they took everything he said out of context. They stood by their story, however. Well, let's read the context, though. I mean, even when you read the actual quote itself, here's the quote. It's up a little bit higher. There we go. He goes, you got the Republicans, basically they want to live according to the Bible, but there's a problem with interpretation

and you've got some churches, some people basically doing things and saying it comes from here, but it doesn't. Then you've got the opposite of the spectrum. You got blue, you got the Democrats and they're like, you could do whatever you want, gay marriage, whatever, but neither of them is right. Asked about his perspective on social issues, gay marriage, abortion. Prince tapped his Bible and said, God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever. And he just cleared it all out he was like enough okay that's hilarious because a lot of people fucked each other in the ass listening to let's

go crazy how many how many people how many people sucked a cock because it was like we're gonna party like it's 1999 and they just said fuck it i'll just do ecstasy in my asshole right you know i mean it's i think he's sheltered or he was sheltered and i think he's a brilliant like like the outlier of outliers when it comes to brilliant artists and i think that you just you buy yourself too much too much you don't you don't get to mingle you don't get to hang with people you don't have real conversations. But that's why I say, even in the case of Bill Cosby, are we looking at a condition

of the circumstance? Because if we have this data that says hey, pop stars are dying 30 years before the regular public on average. These people obviously have an unusual enough circumstance that it's affecting

all of them the same, unless the type of people drawn to that career in the first place are already substantially different than the rest of the public. Well, they're definitely substantially different than the rest of the public in that they've developed as an entertainer from their formative years. I mean, Prince was an artist and a musician when he was very young. And then when he came out with I Want to Be Your Lover, I think he was only like 20 years old or something like that. How old was he when I Want to Be Your Lover came out?

Yeah, definitely young. That was a fucking jam, too. God damn, that was a good song. Because I remember I was living in Boston. I'm 48. He was 55. So he's not that much older than me when he died. And I was living in Boston when that song came out and it was a jaw dropper. I was like, who is this guy with no shirt on,

on the cover? You trying to figure out what the hell? He was 20 or 21. 20 or 21. And that is a fucking beautiful song. To this day, I'll play that song out of nowhere. And it's just, he was an amazing artist. So if he was that good at 20, 21, I mean, he was involved in music from the time he was a small boy. So he developed in a very bizarre and strange way and was under the microphone at an incredibly young age. When to be that huge at 20 years old and also to be such a revolutionary guy when it came to style and fashion dude i had an overcoat when i was like 21 a long overcoat because i saw prince at one just to listen to prince music i loved prince when i was a kid he was so good it was so different and interesting you know with so many good songs like controversy you know he had some and then also like some guys sort of

like came along with him like morris day in the time because they were in Purple Rain, they sort of came along with him and they got famous for a brief period of time too. He was amazing, man. It was amazing. But I think I've always said this, that I think you can't, there's, there's a balance in this world that you can't achieve when you achieve greatness. When you achieve that kind of greatness, I think it's at the, at that is at the sacrifice of balance, whether it's balance in your social life or balance in your, your ability to have a healthy and objective perspective. I think in order,

like, and I think that's what we're seeing with Kanye West too, in order to like really go after something and just be obsessed with it to the point of just carving out this magnificent diamond of art. You got to be a fucking nut, man. You got to be Richard Pryor. You know, you got to be nuts. You got to be out of your fucking mind to make something perfect. And what he made was perfect. I mean, Purple Rain is goddamn perfect. He was perfect this shit that he did that you just to this day you just go god damn he was so good that all the other stuff is probably a symptom of a lack of balance and development in his overall life that led to this incredible brilliance in his art form right so there has to be there has to be you have to sacrifice you have to take from somewhere. Well, they say James Cameron is out of his fucking mind. That's right.

They say James Cameron is out of his fucking mind. And if you're on a set with James Cameron, like if someone's painting a wall, he'll fucking take the paintbrush away from you. He'll fucking do it like this! And he'll start doing it right. It's gotta be like this! Because he's a madman. And that's why, I mean, James Cameron made a fucking submarine and went to the bottom of the ocean with it.

You know about all that? I heard about that. Dude. He was researching for the abyss or something. He broke a world record for his new movie. Oh, right. Okay. He's going to do Avatar 2 underwater.

This crazy fuck. He's filming shit underwater. I mean, he's not just like a groundbreaking guy. He's like the groundbreaking guys are calling him up for advice because he's way ahead of everybody. He's like the groundbreaking guys are calling him up for advice because he's way ahead of everybody. He's a maniac He's making a fucking submarine to film a movie and he's breaking world records in a single-man submarine Look at this. This is him I mean this is he fucking went to the bottom of the ocean by himself in this fucking thing that he created

I mean he's revolutionizing the science behind filming underwater so that he can make movies. Do you think anybody tells him what to do? Who the fuck could tell him what to do? Like, nobody. Like, none of... Nobody. His wife better shut the fuck up, too.

Everybody better shut the fuck up when James Cameron talks. Like, when they're about to make a movie and he goes in there and it's just like, they just write the check and get the fuck out of the way. They don't even write checks. No. I bet he probably writes the checks and then they write a check too and what after it's all over yeah i mean he's insanely wealthy insanely brilliant and some of his movies are some of the greatest movies of all time i mean he's just he just knows how to do it big like you know there's some people that thought like avatar was

oh it's pocahontas in space like stop yes, there's iconic themes that exist in a bunch of different mediums, but that movie is fucking amazing. And if you overthink it and you say, oh, I've heard this all before, you know, this is fucking... Well, I mean, you could say the same for a lot of the sort of classic stories. But he just, he nailed this insane version of that genre. It's like saying a rock and roll song. There's some classic rock and roll themes that you would see if you heard a song.

Ricks. Yeah. Of course. There's themes in songs that you just kind of accept because it's cool to hear them in songs. And that's essentially what he's done on a grand scale in Avatar. Yeah.

No doubt. No dispute. James Cameron's a badass. He's a bad motherfucker. No dispute. Yeah, Cameron's a badass a bad motherfucker No, to be that bad of a motherfucker. You got to be crazy. He's making for avatar sequel Jesus. Yeah You gotta be a bad motherfucker, you know, but imagine the stress the stress of having that project Yeah, oh, yeah moving people around. Oh my god. Yeah. Moving people around. Oh, my God. Yeah. Getting location.

Going to the bottom of the ocean. And that's the only way to make a movie. You can't make a movie by yourself. No. You got to have actors. No. You got to have a guy who writes a script. God. You have a guy who points the camera.

I hate the whole, all that, all the baggage, all the people. It's a nightmare. It's weight. That's why I'm a comedian, dude. That's brilliant. So simple. Well, that's why I'm on YouTube. Yes, so simple.

Just do whatever you want. You want to know something? I had a bit of a nightmare situation out here. Out here? Yeah, out here. That's why I'm out here. Well, I'm out here to be here on this show right now. But yesterday, you know, I was on set.

I had to shoot this thing. I'm not going to mention any brands or names, but there's fucking a hundred people on set oh of course and I mean you don't need them and then they want to try to jizz in the soup yeah and it's just how about if you wear a different suit for every different segment it's like I've made over 850 fucking product videos that millions of people choose to watch. Choose. Choose. This is not

one of these situations where you gotta stick it in front of their face on the way to where they're going. This is something people like. Like, let me look at the goddamn thing and get excited about it. Well, guess what? Newsflash, we don't have to fake it. They wanna fake shit that doesn't need to be faked because it fits the protocol of the machine.

You know what I mean? It's like, it just sucks the life out of all of it. Like, I think there's this thing that happens. I mean, granted, whatever, James Cameron's brilliant and the shit they do in Hollywood is fucking amazing and all the rest of it. But I'm in this weird situation where, like, I'm the guy. Yeah.

I'm not acting. Right. I'm the guy. So if I go on this thing and I don't look like the guy, well, that's not why I'm here. Like, what are they trying to change? Like, what are they specifically fucking with? Oh, man. All of it.

You name it. All of it. You name it. That's so crazy. Okay, so here's an example like when i do my videos i want everything to be live everything we shoot three concurrent angles if we catch it we catch it if we don't so be it that's what it was right so it's authentic yeah because i want to capture like you know i feel like your relationship with a product is a lot like a

relationship with another person now you can you guys think I'm perverted at this point. I don't mean in that way, Joe. Okay? Okay. I didn't say anything, dude. Just the way you're looking at me. I look at you that way all the time. But I'm saying it's like this process of getting to know the thing.

Well, as a person who watches you, sorry to interrupt you, but that authenticity comes through. And that's one of the reasons why your videos are so compelling. Because like when you open up a video and you're checking out a new phone and you're going over the edges and you're experiencing it for the first time with the person that's watching the video. Yes. I want to be, you know, you, the proxy version of you. Like how would you engage with this thing? And in many cases, like the de facto standard for these types of videos was like a person who had – was more sort of journalistic. Like they had a – they're expected to make a report on the thing. And it's like that's cool.

I respect that. That's part of it too. But at the same time, it's like it doesn't – that part of it doesn't necessarily capture the excitement associated with the thing, the oohs and the ahs, and all that kind of natural reaction, which is impossible to fake. All the rest of it you can. All the rest of it when it comes to like, let's do that line again because, oh no, you didn't say the spec right, or whatever.

That would be the equivalent of the situation I was in yesterday. But it's like, I'm willing to sacrifice some of that to get the intangible stuff, which is the oohs and ahs that will never happen again, not in the same way. You know? Yeah.

No, and I agree with you. And I think that you understand what you're doing and you understand the appeal of what you're doing. And to sacrifice that, to polish it, to make it more professional or to make it more... That's actually going to lessen the appeal of it and that's what they don't understand it's a fine line it's like those fucking videos where people have these edits every five seconds they say something there's a cut and they say something there's a cut you know that style of youtube video jump cut that shit is gross man yeah and

there's a guy who did that recently it was a a video about bow hunting and he's trying to do that style and bow hunting which is like one of the most organic, visceral, primal things you could ever engage in as a human being. You're going to go out and collect your food with a fucking sharp stick and a bow. You know? And so this guy's using this

like, this common thing that you see like these girls do. And then I was like, there's got to be a better way. Bouncing around the screen like he's in this corner then he wasn't doing that he's standing right in front of it but the fast cuts like there was no pauses and it was it's dis disconcerting it's like it throws you off that is the opposite of authentic yeah because you know there's all these edits and those edits take you out also those edits treat you like you're a moron. Like you're so fucking stupid. You can't even listen to a guy talk.

Your attention span is so short. I can't listen to Lewis open this VR box and go over this thing in real time and inspect the overall build factor. To be quite honest with you, I'm kind of, you know, you mean you have this platform here where people sit down for hours. That's not the status quo on the internet. The internet keeps chopping it in the other direction, getting shorter and shorter. The conversation has to move faster. The bull hunting guy has got to jump around the screen and so on.

The bow hunting guy's got to jump around the screen and so on. And I mean, if you get obsessed with analytics and stuff, you can see like how often an average person watches for and so on. And there's no denying the fact that people's attention spans are shrinking. But it's like, do you want to contribute to that? Or do you think that there's enough people that are willing to accept the alternative? Because, you know, you've got an example here which is unusual why do you think what do you think happens here that people stick around for three hours i never thought about that's what happens i never thought about it i just said i like talking to people so let's record it right you know i mean but man i

took a lot of heat in the beginning for people that were telling me i had to edit it oh really people oh my god it was like some of the earliest comments were like why is this show three hours But man, I took a lot of heat in the beginning from people that were telling me I had to edit it. Oh, really? It was so many people. Oh, my God. It was like some of the earliest comments were like, why is this show three hours long? This is bullshit. No one's going to listen to three hours. Like, even my friends were telling me this. Like, dude, you got to edit it.

Make it an hour. I go, why? Really? I go, after an hour, people just shut it off. If they don't want to watch more than an hour or listen to it, it was listen back then. You don't want to listen to more than an hour, just shut it off at an hour. Who gives a fuck? Yeah.

But it was a who gives a fuck thing. Like, I'm going to do what I want to do. I'm not trying to make money off this. I'm not trying to do anything unusual. I just like having conversations with people. So let's bring in someone interesting and let's talk. Because the art of conversation, just having a conversation for the purpose of having a conversation is lost in a lot of venues. Because what you're getting instead is interviews. You like you and i are friends we've been friends for a couple years now when we sit down i'm super confident that we're just gonna have fun right and we're gonna talk and we're gonna have a conversation that's why this podcast i left my house today and i was like i'm gonna go have fun with lewis we're gonna have a good conversation it's gonna be cool

because that's what i want to hear i want to hear people having a conversation and so for me for me, it was just a matter of, well, I'm going to have this conversation. It gives me an opportunity to sit down with someone for three hours, which is super rare in this world. For sure. When do you ever get a chance to put your phone aside and just sit down and just look at a friend in the eyes and just talk about things? I've been here for a couple of days and I telling people okay you know Saturday I can't hang out whatever I'm going to be on the podcast and they're like

what do you guys do to prepare for that and on your podcast I'm like no nothing like you actually just sit down and you just start talking and they're like

for how long for three hours no come on how do you do it you know like there's some kind of magic to it when as you said

it is the simplest thing it's like or maybe it's a forgotten thing of just being able to do this well if you actually are interested in life and you find another person who's actually interested in life it's easy i think the hard part is ending in three hours yeah is it three hours we're fucking we haven't even talked about a million different things i i've been watching your videos i got a lot of fucking questions you know there's a lot going on in the world i mean there's so much to talk about i just i don't understand people who don't have anything to say that that to me is perplexing right when someone says like how can you find things to talk about for three hours like how do you not talk yeah well in that

sense i think that there's kind of like a a service being like it's surprising to me how many like when i'm saying okay i'm gonna be on here and I put it on my Twitter or whatever, like how many people are like pumped about it? Pumped. Like, oh, thank God. Amazing, right? Like they love the idea of it. And for me, it's a departure from the way I normally communicate with them. Right, right, right.

For you, it's the standard. So I think you're like really aware of it. It gets personal in a different way when you're using this medium where there aren't these definitive parameters that exist in your typical YouTube video, your typical tweet or Vine or whatever it is. Like those ones are all so – it's almost like every social media has its kind of structure that it like landed on for the standard, the status quo. has its kind of structure that it like landed on for the standard, the status quo. But you've been doing this for a while now and you've been on many different platforms and you just kept in here the same essentially, like as far as the format is concerned. But I think there is something to be said for – I think what ends up happening in giving people that access is that it means more to them. Like you simply can't get to know somebody in a three-minute segment that you can in three hours it's impossible so what what they

actually end up getting here is uh is something that matters substantially more to them well they kind of get like digital friendships that's what i'm saying yeah yeah i think that's exactly i think how it's looked at and i think in in a world where we realize that there is this increasingly short attention span, you wonder how much of this kind of stuff here actually replaces the real world version of it. If people can't be in a movie theater without being on their phones, if they can't drive without being on their phones, if this thing, if we are literally building new pathways in our heads for how we look at spare time, then is this thing an alternative to that?

Is this where people get that? Well, you know what I think a lot of people do with podcasts is one of the things that I do with podcasts, it replaced radio in my car. Oh, for me too, 100%. When I drive around, I don't listen to radio anymore. I listen to different podcasts like meat eater radio lab uh ted radio hour all my friends like joey diaz's podcast and aries and

duncans i listen to all my friends podcasts and different people's podcasts i just think it's an amazing thing i love the fact that at a red light you could just go to your thing press play find it oh there's a new episode of this out. Boom, press play and it goes. So it, it, it stimulates you when you're in your car. It gives you interesting conversations when you're on a plane or when you're at the gym and it replaces a lot of traditional standard media in that way. Also, because there's no ads, there's ads in the beginning and if you want, you fast forward through those fuckers, but the three hours of the podcast is totally uninterrupted. That's unusual, though.

Well, it's my choice. I was unwilling to do it any other way, because I don't want it to be interrupted. Did they try to get you to change it? Fuck yeah, they still do. Really? Yeah, fuck you. It's not available. I'm just not doing it. They want me to interrupt the middle of the conversation and go, you know, I don't know if you know about Squarespace, Lewis, but Squarespace is a platform. Nothing against Squarespace.

Nothing against Squarespace at all. They're awesome. And it wasn't Squarespace that was asking. It's the agents that sell these things. Of course. They give zero fucks about the content itself, about the actual important part. There was another thing that I had to fight with. They were like, there's no way you're going to get ads unless they do it in the middle of the show.

I go, well, then I'm not going to have ads. This is not my primary source of income. So for me, this is a labor of love, if you will. I mean, I want to do it correctly. You're making me feel special here, John. I don't have anybody on that I don't want to have on. There's no one that tells me what to do. There's no producer.

So if I have someone like you on or anybody, it's because I think it's going to be an interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to have on. There's no one that tells me what to do. There's no producer. So if I have someone like you on or anybody, it's because I think it's going to be an interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to having it. That's it. That's the agenda. That's the whole thing. So I'm not interrupting that. I don't have any... I think it's a great message. I've got to be honest with you. I don't think there's a lot of people

out there pushing that particular message in the space I'm in. I think especially since particularly on the video side on the youtube side it's emerging as this like real business real enterprise what's because there's so much money in it there's so much money in it craziness yeah it's bonkers yeah but at the same time there's no rule book on it you know there's no parameters there's nobody out there saying hey dude like you're taking a risk on that one yeah and here's what's gonna happen and because i've

seen it because i've been there and like um i think to hear somebody like you who's had success in this space to say hey fuck it i don't compromise i'm gonna do it this way even when a million people are telling me to do it otherwise i think for a lot of people starting out they might have a youtube channel they might whatever to to to be empowered by knowing that like some you can do it. Well, I got Steve Rinella to do it. The Meat Eater podcast. They don't interrupt the podcast anymore.

Oh, he used to? They used to interrupt it. Like if you listen to the Dan Flores episode, there's no interruptions. And that's what makes it good. This is my ethic. Number one, don't do anything. Or do your best, obviously. Do your best to make it entertaining.

Don't do anything that would compromise the quality of it just for profit and as long as you just do that do your best don't do anything i'm gonna be completely honest here like i've fucked up on a number of occasions like in in in completing what you just said i there are times where i get too deep too deep and then i'm in it and i'm like, holy fuck, this is a nightmare. Like how so? Well, I mean with a brand or a sponsorship or something like that, where it'll be like,

I'll know it's a nightmare once I'm in it, but even though I've been sold a bill of goods that isn't the thing that I actually signed up for, it happens frequently. I mean, I'm dealing with the biggest brands on the planet and they're like, yeah, it's going to be completely conversational. You're just going to discover the goddamn thing or whatever. And then you get there and it's like, here's your script.

And it's like, what the fuck? Oh, so you like for a certain product, they've actually given you a script? If you're there for a launch or something. They give you scripts? No, I don't read a script. I never read a goddamn script. But they tried to. Exactly. Whoa. And what is that conversation like when you tell them no it's like a bunch of producers

pretending that they're that it's impossible for me to say that oh how about this how about them trying to change your wardrobe they try to change your wardrobe i'm like dude i've been in this hoodie forever i got the hat on like people know how I look. It's this weird situation of, like, advertisers and the business side of the thing not being used to the idea of people basically disrespecting the audience is what it is. Because you're going to come at it from a respectful point of view. I'm going to come at it from a respectful point of view. But they're used to, like like inserting things that nobody wants so they automatically assume if they're working with you that they gotta that that nobody wants what you're talking about in reference to that project or whatever so they come at it from a negative from a guilty point of view as opposed to like hey people like

this guy the way he is like leave him alone right you know that's what they signed up for why are we trying to rewrite it because they want to jizz in the soup that's what it is it's like if you're going to have that environment if you're going to have this situation where there's like 50 or 100 people to get this piece of content everybody in there needs to carve out that that groove for themselves right place to fit well and they look they look for some way that they can tell everybody. Like, Lewis was going to wear that hat. Yes. And I told him, look.

Yes. See, this I feel like you must have encountered. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. And how do you deal with it? Well, luckily, in the podcast, I really didn't encounter it that much. Right. Because I encountered it outside of the podcast. And it's one of the reasons, like, doing Fear Factor was a big one.

Like, sometimes I would show up with stubble and then be like, you got to shave. I go, why? Why do I have to shave is someone gonna wash the show and go this motherfucker didn't shave today I'm changing the channel Mike stop Stop and we would have these arguments where I'd have some stubble on my face They would tell me it's you get really got a shave Mike. You can't tell me how to look this is what I am Don't look ridiculous. I don't have a fucking big dildo poking out of my forehead like there's nothing unusual about how to look. This is what I am. Don't look ridiculous. I don't have a fucking big dildo poking out of my forehead. There's nothing unusual about how I look. You don't get that right.

It's really fucked up when you think about it. Imagine right now if you and I were wearing makeup, looking at each other. Right, like powder and shit. We're like regular guys. Newscaster-wake makeup. We're like regular guys having a conversation in makeup. Yeah. That's so fucked up to think about.

Well, let me tell you something. There are podcasts where they put makeup on before they do the podcast. That's a fact. I've seen them. I believe it. I believe it. They have a lady standing there, and she'll powder your forehead. I know.

And she'll just, I'm going to put some anti-shine on your nose. How pissed off must, like, people in the Hollywood makeup business be at, like, YouTube and online media? Well, the numbers. When they get the numbers in, they realize it's not, you don't really have to make someone look like a cartoon. Right. Yeah.

In fact, you could make the argument that if our goal is to connect with people on the other end, form these relationships, it's better to look to just in every way to be as close as you can to the real you. Right. Because that's how you form relationships in real life. Unless you're never going to see people in real life. Unless you're like one of those instagram girls oh they just wear puts filters on and takes pictures of herself i know a dude who does that i know a comedian dude who does that

he puts filters on his fucking pictures and you look at him and you go whoa where's what's going on with your face you're a cartoon yeah yeah you know what that is that That's the beauty mode. Beauty mode. It's on a lot of Korean devices. Korean devices? Specifically. Really? Like Samsung type things? Samsung type things, LG type things. They have a beauty mode?

Well, you know the situation out over there. The situation. Well, I mean, regarding. They do have a situation when it comes to plastic surgery. An extreme one. Yeah, so that's where I'm going with it. Very bizarre. It makes, so this beauty mode, it makes your eyes bigger.

It smoothens your skin. It changes the color, the complexion. Can lighten it up. It's very bizarre. Does it only work on LG and Samsung? Well, that's where it ships from. I'm sure you could get an app on any phone. But if you get like a Korean model, a Korean version

of pretty much any flagship, that's the default camera app. It actually is going to have beauty mode on by default. What? Yeah, it's going to be like By default? Yeah, it's going to be like level 5 out of 10 potential beauty mode. But you know you see these selfies or whatever, it looks like the person is painted.

You've seen them, I'm sure uh there was one famous situation where uh that chef who's the chef mario batali no the one who's always yelling emerald no no no no the one who's yelling at people like get out of my kitchen gordon ramsay gordon r. Gordon Ramsay and the mom of the Kardashians. Oh, Jesus. What a combo. So she took the photo with the filter on. So they each took their own. They each took their own.

And one of them, they looked. Oh, my God. And so somebody did like a comparison. Oh, that's right. Because she, of course, had a filter on. Oh, big time. Made her look like an angel. Big time.

So, yeah, it's a good point, though. It's like, what? As we continue to progress into this digital realm, which one is the real you? Well, we're hiding that reality. We're hiding that reality with these filters. And I think that's. Okay, there you go. Okay, there's hers.

That's beautiful. Look at her face. Look at his. Look at his. Okay. That is so bizarre. There's the reality. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, man. Wow. What a difference. Yeah, man. Okay. That is so bizarre. There's the reality. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Oh, man. Wow, what a difference. Yeah, man. Wow, she's like in a fog there. That's so creepy. That mode of photographing people is so creepy. Like I said, I know a male comedian who uses that. Well, I don't know, man.

All of it is weird. You need to kind of in your head You need to set up some rules. That's what I want to do. We need the rule book. We need the social media rule book You know what we definitely do, you know, we kind of have it, you know We kind of have it in a way where a person you or I there's a clear rule book We look at that like back get the fuck out of here, but it's unwritten. It is on I need to write it down. Why? You know, and I know Get the fuck out of here. But it's unwritten. It is unwritten. I need to write it down. Why? You know and I know.

Everybody knows. That's true. It is kind of fun that way. But I feel like we could maybe save the situation. We could say, hey. No, you don't want to save it. You want to leave it like that? You want them to be able to still do that.

Yeah, that's true. You want people to look like a fucking cartoon. Okay, Joe. How many times do you take a selfie before you post it um what's your maximum it's not that many man come on joe give us the truth here listen i'm a 48 year old guy who's not that good looking there's not a whole lot i'm doing to make it look any better i mean i might look for the best smile, or this one looks best. Take it a few shots. But it's me. Every one of them is me. There's no weird

filters or shenanigans. Are we capping it at some point? Well, it depends on what you're trying to do. Maybe you're trying to get everything in the background. It's really dependent upon what you're trying to do. But it's never more than a couple. You ever gone over 10? I don't believe so.

Unless I was trying to achieve something very strange. I love how everybody's like a fine art photographer now that we have phones. I mean, what else would I, how would I ever get to 10? I don't, I don't. No, I don't know. I'm not, yeah, I'm kind of joking around to be quite honest. But like, I catch myself sometimes. Like, what the fuck am I doing here?

I'm a grown-ass man in this place here. Like, what am I, taking angles here? Like, you know, I kind of... Do you do duck lips? Ass out. The arch. I might break the internet. The pussy out arch.

Yeah. But then I think about it. I think, okay okay if i catch myself fairly confident guy you know i'm happy with myself to a certain degree if i catch myself at 10 or whatever the number is how many goddamn photos are these professional instagram girls taking before they pick one to post the very good point could it be a hundred some of them it's probably shocking numbers. And then some of them, it's really weird, because they're

taking these really, like, supposedly clandestine photos, but, like, who's taking the photo? Like, why are you, like, looking off in the distance whimsically like no one's around? There's a fucking guy right there with a camera, you lying bitch! What are we doing here? What are we selling?

Yeah, well, you you know in the early days of instagram one of the unwritten rules was only phone photos like if it didn't come off your phone you just broke the rules of instagram oh i didn't know there was a rule it's again if i had joe if i had the book you would know it'll be on amazoncom. They'll be kick-starting it, actually. But that's crazy because that guy that sent me these wolf pictures, they should pull up his Instagram so we could give this guy some props. No, no. See, in his particular case, those obviously aren't phone photos. Right.

And he has broken the rules. But that rule went away a long time ago. Everybody was like, fuck it. Oh, it did go away. Yeah, because photos from real cameras look amazing. Yeah, but this, okay, that's yeah but this I see what your point is but why would there be only photos from why was that a rule

because it's kind of like cheating Instagram it should be like in the moment and what you just described of like this model overlooking Cabo or whatever it is that's not Instagram. I mean it is.

It is now. But in the early days it sure as hell wasn't. So did people get upset when they saw like a professional photography shot? In the early days? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure.

They would – amongst like some of the tight-knit groups on there, some of the bigger photo pages that emerged, it was kind of like, was kind of like hey i had to i built this business on the back of a stupid cell phone camera and then some person comes in with all this heavy duty equipment and kind of interrupts it and i don't know how much of it was just them being competitive and how much of it was them thinking believing in the ethic of of it being instant my friend meg has an instagram page where it's all just Polaroids. It's a photo of Polaroids. Photo of a Polaroid. Yeah.

It's kind of cool. Yeah. That's all she does. Or maybe she scans them. I don't know if she scans them. For the record, I'm not like, I'm not of the opinion.

This is CJM underscore photographer. His name is Chris Montana. And he, he sent us these photos of this, these wolves. See that wolf down there. That's one of the ones that he sent us. I mean these wolves. See that wolf down there? That's one of the ones that he sent us. I mean, that is a fucking amazing photograph.

Looking right at him. Black timber wolf, yeah, yeah. Oh, it says it. He's got a promo code right now. Promo code Rogan. So if you go to ChrisMontano, M-O-N-T-A-N-O-J-R.com, ChrisMontanoJr.com. And you use the promo code ROGAN, you get 20% off your entire purchase.

So I guess he has these prints for sale, but let me pull it up so people can see it here. Yeah. That's amazing stuff. I mean, I think anytime you look at a photograph and you go, how did he get that shot? That's a good sign. Yeah, so we're going to put these on the wall. I'm getting tired of looking at Elvis. Wow.

So I'm going to decorate the back wall behind me with some other shit. And the thing is, it's made out of metal. Yeah, he printed it on metal. That's wild. It's dope. Yeah. If I had one thing that I could look at forever, like if I had only one kind of art, it would absolutely be wildlife art. Wildlife art to me is the most compelling it's just something about especially like predators like eagles and wolves you see that video was making

a round of yes okay fine you probably tweeted it then was awesome yeah it's funny when when you come when i come on here i'm like every time i'm referencing something i'm like did was it joe that posted that or was it somebody else but yeah that's that's uh it's weird how people have that kind of uh how they have that perception of like nature only applies to stuff that i don't recognize like you know i mean like you're not a part of it it's like an eagle eating a salmon of like nature only applies to stuff that I don't recognize. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like you're not a part of it. It's like an eagle eating a salmon is fine. Yep.

But an eagle capturing a cat and feeding it to his chicks. Mm-hmm. Not good. And then they had to, I guess I was reading through the article there and they had to say like, oh, the cat was probably already dead. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

They fucking scoop up cats all the time. Sure, why not? That's a lie. Yeah, why not not we're weird we have a hierarchy of animals and things like cats and dogs are they more favorable that's why that yulin dog festival in china is so problematic for people eating yeah yeah my brother ate dog yeah well he was to china here and there and and he said that there was one point where they were at a restaurant that all they had was dog, so he was in. Whoa. That's all they had?

It was a dog. A dog restaurant. Like Kentucky Fried Chicken, but dogs. Kentucky Fried Dogs. There you go. But anyway, I don't know. It's just- It's problematic, man.

I think it comes back maybe full circle to the whole way that we started this conversation, just about people, whatever's convenient. You want to compartmentalize certain things. Like, that's the way that's going to be. And it's not, yeah. Well, and it's a similar thing with the coyotes and me seeing a wolf here. And it's like, whoa, right. You get this reset of like, holy shit. That's a natural animal.

You feel small. And you, probably you even more so because you go out, you actually go out in the wilderness and whatnot, go hunting and whatnot. I mean, it's a natural you feel small and you probably you even more so because you go out you actually go out in the wilderness and whatnot go hunting and whatnot i mean could you it's a humbling experience i assume it's very humbling it's very psychedelic people think that that sounds crazy like going out to kill an animal psychedelic but what's psychedelic about it is it's boundary dissolving and that you enter into a truly wild world. And there is these large animals that live in this wild world. And you feel their world. There's no cell phone service out there.

You're in the woods with the trees and the animals. And you're a part of this natural environment for a very brief time. And people are like, well, why would you want to go there and kill those animals? There's all these weird arguments that you could have back and forth about this, these conversations that you can have about whether or not it's okay to kill these animals. What I've, I've made these conversations with myself, believe me, like before I started hunting for the first time, my thought was, I'm either going to go hunting and I'm going to never eat meat again. I'm going to become a vegan or I'm going to be a hunter. And I decided to be a hunter. And one of the reasons why I decided to be a hunter is I realized I don't like factory

farming. I think it's fucked up. I think the way we get our food, I think we've, we've made a huge mistake. It's a great decision, but a huge mistake at the same time in that we've all, we've decided to live in these gigantic urban areas. And these urban areas, that becomes our natural world. And in that natural world, we don't see tigers. We don't see wolves. We don't see bears. We don't see these animals. So our association with these animals is very unnatural.

Our world consists of streets and cars and buildings and elevators. And that's our natural world. That's the natural world that we live in. And that's our natural world. That's the natural world that we live in. When you go out into the woods and you see the actual natural world, the tooth, fang and claw natural world, and you find mountain lion shit that has hair in it and you look around and you see an elk at the top of a ridge and he's trying to fuck all these other cow elk and trying to fight all these bulls that are coming in. And I mean, we last time was elk hunting. They had found a dead elk that had been killed by another elk. This thousand pound animal that died because this other animal with fucking a tree grown out of its head spirited in the side and killed it. I mean, it's really wild to see like these things kill each other so they can fuck.

And you're out in that world and when when you do it makes everything seem uh it's the the whole predator prey experience seems very intensified like your your connection to your food yeah is very intense it's the whole like... And also, from a wildlife management standpoint, what we're talking about with Lyme disease, the reason why they have Lyme disease is because they have too many deer. They have too many deer. They have these ticks. These ticks get on these deer. They develop this disease, and these ticks get on the people.

And it's because of an overabundance of deer, the overpopulation. They could nip that shit in the bud if they could figure out how to dwindle down the population of deer. When you have too many animals, too many game animals, too many wild animals, and the balance gets overrun, whether it's too many wolves or too many bear or too many deer, wildlife biologists understand what the correct numbers are in order to keep that harmony. And you have two options. Option number one, hunters.

They pay money. They go out there. And the money from those tags is responsible for the protection of these wildlife areas, protection of habitat. Or option number two, they hire snipers. They hire people to go out there and kill these animals. And that's what they're doing in Zimbabwe with lions. They're killing 200 lions, rather, this year. Because they have so many lions now because of what happened with the dentist.

Where the dentist went over and shot Cecil the lion and became this big thing. Well, they had a control of their population. They had this sort of ecosystem balanced out. And the hunters got scared. The hunters got scared. They moved off. They don't go there anymore. And so now they have all these lions that are destroying this undulate population.

So they made a wildlife biologist decision to go in there and kill 200 lions to lessen the impact on the undulates. And in North America, they do that with bears. They do that with mountain lions in most states They figure out what is the healthy number or all these animals can coexist? Yeah Well, it's what I mean, it's one thing to have an opinion on that matter and it's a different thing to actually have Exposure and then maintain that opinion. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's one thing to be on on Twitter Sitting on your couch watching TV, saying a couple words about how you think about the planet, the wilderness, and so on.

But to maintain that perspective when you're actually in it, I would have to believe and speculate that that's a difficult thing to do. Well, there's a deep respect that comes and a deep love for an animal that is going to sustain you and feed you. And the thing about it is these animals, they're not going to live forever. If you don't do that, their life is incredibly brutal and incredibly short. And what you're doing as a hunter is you're going into that world and you're dipping your toes into it for a brief amount of time, a week or whatever it takes to find an animal. And then that animal is going to feed you for months. And to me, it's so much more, it's so much more ethical than buying it from a store. I mean, that, that even can't even be argued, but from a vegan perspective, like they don't want anything to die. They want

everything to live forever, but it doesn't work that way. Because first of all, if you don't shoot animals, if you don't like, if you don't control bear populations, the bear going to decimate the moose population, they're going to decimate the moose population. They're going to decimate the deer population. They eat all the calves. They eat all the fawns. That's just what they do. That's what they've always done.

Not only that, they go and they eat each other. Bears are all cannibals. I mean, there's a massive amount of cannibalism in the bear world. They eat cubs. It's one of the first things that males do when they come out of hibernation. And if you don't control their populations populations they will do that to every fucking thing that's out in the woods and the only thing that can control their population is another predator and the only predator for bears is people that's it

and that back and the people will go what about people people are over populated man why don't you fucking shoot people why don't you kill yourself how about I start with you you Sounds about right you non human loving fuck Yeah, I mean like life eats life and that is a weird reality, I think there's a there's a bit part of it though with a complicated part of it is that obviously everybody can't Do that exactly. I mean, well that is true, but that doesn't mean that yeah Yeah, everybody can't survive on you know the amount of money that you make every year It doesn't mean you should give up that money because everybody can survive on the amount of money that you make every year. It doesn't mean you should give up that money because everybody can't make the amount of money that you make.

Why are you singling me out here? I'm just saying, for anybody. I mean, look, if you make more than $35,000 a year, you're in the top 1% of the world. We live in a very strange time. I just mean, I think some people's perspectives are formed by, in some ways, their capabilities. If all they ever knew was going to McDonald's or whatever. It, in some ways, their capabilities. Right. If all they ever knew was going to McDonald's or whatever. And it's just a hard thing to break.

It is a hard thing to break. And it's a hard thing to recognize that it can't, you know, well, people say it's not sustainable for the entire population. Well, I'm not the entire population. Not only that, what we're doing is not sustainable for the entire population of the world. Personally, I don't know. I'm kind of optimistic about it. I don't know if it's sustainable or not sustainable.

Hunting is not. There's not enough animals. There's just not. You gotta farm them. Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to eat the way people eat today, there has to be some sort of farming going on if you want to eat the amount of meat. People find that problematic, and that's for a good reason. They're right. Is there a way to do the

farming part better? Maybe. There certainly is. But there's also problems with just eating vegetables. Just eating vegetables, first of all, displaces massive amounts of wildlife.

Second of all, when you buy grain, you are responsible indirectly for the death of thousands of animals. There's just no way around it. Those combines are indiscriminate

and they grind up deer fawns and rabbits and rats and mice and groundhogs and everything else. Then, on top of that, pesticides. Yeah.

You know, I mean, unless you're buying absolute organic where there's no pesticides used, you're for sure going to be responsible for the death of millions of bugs. If you live in a house, you know what I mean? Like, everybody's fucking with animals. And on top of that, there's some very real and compelling evidence that plants have a level of intelligence. We don't want to think of them as sentient because they can't communicate with us. They don't say anything to us like, ow, don't chop me down, it hurts. But they communicate with each other. There's something that plants do.

Now, this is a crazy thing that they found with giraffes, the plants that giraffes eat if they're downwind so I give the giraffes are eating this plant and the wind from the plant they're eating goes downwind and catches these other these other plants the plants will change the chemical composition of their leaves and become more bitter making them less attractive to predation so they're communicating with each other. It's like telepathic shit right there. I don't remember what planet it was that does that. But they have proven that plants do calculations,

that plants are doing some kind of strange mathematics, that they're communicating with each other. They know when other plants are being chopped down. There's some shit going on with life. And we don't have the capability to understand dolphins, okay? We don't know what they're saying. When dolphins communicate with each other, they have a complex language.

They have dialects. They sound differently in different parts of the world. They recognize each other. They have a very bizarre way of communicating that we have not been able to decipher. But we recognize that it's going on because it's close enough to our own kind of communication that we say, oh, these things are smart and they're talking to each other. Well, there's something going on with plants too.

And this is a recent thing where the science behind it is starting to catch up, where it's emerging, where they're doing these tests and they're running these numbers and they go, look, up where it's emerging, where they're doing these tests and they're running these numbers and they go, look, they're not wooden in the sense that it's not like you're not talking about a rock, like a plant, a living plant has some sort of awareness. There's something going on and different ones have more awareness, but, and there's some sort of communication through the actual, the actual ecology of the ground. I mean, the ground itself is a living thing. Dirt itself is some sort of an organism.

Right. I mean, it is like a person is. Like a person is an ecosystem. We're responsible for the lives of untold trillions of bacteria that live inside of us, right? Well, the same thing can be said of the dirt itself. The dirt itself is some sort of a strange balanced ecosystem where worms and bacteria and all of these different funguses and all these different life forms all exist together. And then the plant feeds off of those life forms. And the plant in respects, relies on the death of biological things like mammals and rats and bugs.

It relies on them for the very nutrients that it needs to make a plant in the first place. It's all very, very complex and deep. It's all connected. And to deny that you're eating life, some strange life form, when you're having a salad is the height of convenience there's nothing wrong with eating a salad but i don't think there's anything wrong with eating an elk steak either there's life is consuming life and it's just more obvious when you shoot an animal and you're there when it dies what about what about when humans find a way to grow meat in a lab?

It's going to be very interesting. And they're kind of there right now. Yeah. I remember reading something about they had the meat ready to go, but they couldn't actually consume it because the governing body or whatever for food and beverage or whoever the hell it is said that it would be illegal to consume it. For some reason, again, probably some food lobby or something but but but theoretically right we could find a way to manufacture all this shit 100% yeah we can where there's gonna be a way and then what do we do what do we do it wildlife then it's good question well here's a here's a better question what

do we do when we have robot fuck dolls and there's no need to date? What happens when- I don't think we're that- I think we're already there. We're pretty close. Because, I mean, it's not a robot fuck doll, but you have porn already, which many people consider to be one of the sort of building blocks. That's what I was looking for. Building blocks of the web.

The reason that the web was adopted or VHS or DVDs or whatever. HTML5. Yeah. And it all goes the way of porn. When porn adopts that, everything else goes along with it. Everything else goes.

The sort of fundamental needs that people have and so on. And so, yeah, man. You have to wonder how disconnected from other people we can get as this stuff continues to improve. We were looking earlier at this HoloLens development kit. I was recently playing with the HTC Vive, which is probably the VR headset to get right now. And it's like, man, these experiences are getting closer.

And you look at the camera that facebook just came out with i don't know it's like 60 000 bucks facebook buying oculus has to be one of the creepiest things on the planet like to know that that they see where that's going and that they were interested in that and what their sort of agenda and objectives are currently well virtual communities that's what's going to happen we're all going to be able to sync up together in some virtual place. Right. And we'll all be like low calorie takers at that point. We're all going to look like Asian supermodels with big tits.

That's what we're going to be. We're going to go there and we're all going to like sync up with each other. And we're probably going to be able to fuck each other in some sort of a virtual environment. Yeah. It's a total recall, man. But the thing is, it's actually. And Tonetta is going to be playing. Got a really, really, really, really, really nice cock.

The thing is, the physiology part of it is only part of the conversation. There's also the psychological part in that. For the most part, I feel like there's a trade-off. I feel like women in my life make me different than I would be if they weren't in my life. 100%. And in many ways, I think they make me a more moderate person, like about the way I think about a lot of things. Because you want to fuck and you want them to like you.

That's what it is, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever the reasoning is, the biological part pulls you in, but then there's a psychological aftermath of you now being a different person because of the moves you made in the first place. And then there's the compromise. You have to figure out how much do you compromise. Like, do you become some sort of henpecked bitch? Yes.

Because we know a lot of guys that are henpecked bitches because they've given in to the aggression of their mate. Like, their mate is the dominant one in the relationship. You know, I have a relative like that. I have an uncle like that. I just got a wife that just runs the ship, and everybody just gets the fuck out of the way. So part of me worries, though, that, like, in the absence of those interactions, I have an uncle like that. I just got a wife that just runs the ship and everybody just gets the fuck out of the way.

So part of me worries, though, that like in the absence of those interactions, what happens to the psyche of males and females now just kind of allowed to bathe in their own perspective over and over and over again and never have to make those adjustments and never have to make those compromises because Historically that's that hasn't really been a good sign You send a bunch of guys into into jail without any females or you send them off to war without any females They become fucking savages pretty goddamn quickly So is that what's gonna happen is the digital onsught going to create some kind of hyper aggressive male it may do the opposite oh it may do the opposite because all of your sexual needs would be satisfied so easily so easily that you'll be satiated so your your need for sex is not going to be there anymore so maybe your need for posturing and aggression won't be there anymore

because the need for like for you to be preferable to the other men you don't have to posture you don't have to you don't have to peacock and if you could just put on your facebook virtual reality headset and go fuck the asian supermodel in another dimension like why would you be i'm with you on that but what about never having to compromise that's a problem see because we talked before about all these people that suck because they want to control everything about their lives right because they don't want to interact with people it's all got to be their way what the fuck is this lineup what the fuck is this car in front of me what the fuck is this and that they want to complain about everything i want to sue this person over here and do this over there and in an

environment where we take that a step further and now we never compromise for other people when we do emerge from our our headset world what is our personality it's a good question because like what what is our personality based on most of our personality is based on the long-running equation of your life yeah all the interactions you've ever had with other people and how they've reacted to you and how you've adjusted your personality accordingly. Yes, there's a cool... This is reminding me of something. There's a cool channel on YouTube called Smarter Every Day.

I don't know if you've ever seen it. No, never heard of it. It's a guy, he's a scientist and he does these videos that sort of I don't know, attack sort of everyday things that might seem obvious but then breaks them down a little bit. Anyway, he did a video about a bicycle. And what happened was this was a bicycle that had a gear in the steering so that left was now right and right was now left.

Oh, I can't remember this. Maybe you've seen this before. And what he did was he took this bicycle around to various uh talks that he was giving at different universities and stuff and stuff and uh and he made a bet to people in the audience i bet you a hundred dollars that nobody in here can ride this bike and of course every time he got somebody coming up going i mean i can do it easily whatever they get on the bike they couldn't pedal it once even even though they they're completely aware of what change has been made to it and so he spent six months before he could actually get down the

street on this bike that was reversed and what he talks about in the video is about how he has the pathways that he had created in his mind for how to ride a bike right were very difficult to rewrite that once they're in there, they're in there. And so he did an experiment where he took his eight-year-old, I want to say, who had just recently learned how to ride a bike the right way, gave him the same bike, and in a couple of weeks, he had it down. The kid. The kid could ride either bike.

He could ride the reverse bike or the regular bike. And so he was building this kind of um um perspective that like potentially when it comes to language when it comes to learning when it comes to everything that the absence of those pathways for young people actually makes them more uh uh flexible yeah a greater ability to change their way of thinking right on a more frequent basis because he was looking big picture at it. And the funny thing is when he went back to go back to the regular bike, he couldn't ride the regular bike.

Hmm. Wow. That doesn't make any sense. Maybe he's retarded. That's possible. I doubt it, though. He's a really smart guy. I doubt it, though.

He talked to a bunch of- He might just be uncoordinated. I mean, I would like to see the same thing with athletes. We're getting you the bike, Joe. I would like to see the same thing with athletes. We're getting you the bike, Joe. I would like to see the same thing with an athlete. That they could figure it out? Well, they might have a better understanding of how their body works. It's true.

I don't think that, I don't know how critical the test was. I think he had a number of test subjects. Yeah, because I just feel like it's like a boat. You know, like when you're steering a boat, you want to go right you turn the rudder left you know i'm saying like if you have an outboard motor behind you and you want to go to the right you have to go like that conceptually it makes complete sense it's the fact that it's actually there it is here it is it's actually not the fact that you don't know how it's working it's the fact that you keep triggering back into that state of mind of riding a bike. And when you're riding a bike, you're not thinking about riding a bike.

You're just riding it. Yeah. It makes complete sense. You can watch a bunch of people fail in the actual video. Well, it makes complete sense because pathways that you've developed are incredibly difficult to break. And one of the things that when I was teaching martial arts, I found was it's way easier to teach a person who has no martial arts experience whatsoever than a person who studied a different style where they might be using bad mechanics. So if they develop bad mechanics and

then they came to a really good school, it was incredibly difficult to break them of their bad habits. Whereas if I could get two people and one person was, say one person maybe even had a black belt in one style and one person was a white belt, I feel like if the black belt had bad technique and bad form and bad mechanics, if I could watch the two of them progress over a few years, eventually the white belt would surpass the black belt and move forward and be able to reach their full potential where the black belt with bad mechanics, even though they might know how to fight good because they

might know what they can do. And even though what they're doing is not optimized with the most effective technique, they know what, how it works and how it fits in the language of the community like i think fighting is kind of like a language and even with like your shitty words and your bad grammar you could still form a sentence and still talk and communicate with people that's similar to the articulation of a real polished technical martial artist versus a person with like a very limited vocabulary with street knowledge you know you can the person with the polished vocabulary will be able to express themselves more clearly and Expressing yourself is what you're actually doing when you're fighting It's really cool way to look at so the person who starts out with nothing is

Better off than the person who starts out with shit technique Yeah, unless the person who starts out with shit technique is super open-minded and Has no ego and is willing or is that very good control of the ego and is willing to try to completely learn everything from scratch And not go into it saying hey, I'm already black belt already know my shit right? Yeah, I most people do it's uh, it's an interesting topic I think it applies across the board to be quite honest Yeah, you know I um, I started working with a couple of people for my channel. I have an editor now. He's a guy who I've known for a long time, but he doesn't have a background in editing at all.

He didn't have any kind of preconceived notions of what these videos should look like. But I liked that when he came in because I was like, you know, I can kind of finesse this idea of how I want things to look and how I want them to be. And he can kind of learn starting with this, these parameters, the ones that, you know, as opposed to somebody coming in who would have been like a professional in the space. And I think that particular perspective is something that a lot of startups are doing as well when it comes to hiring new people. It's like, are you hiring a person and their skill set or are you hiring a personality? Are you hiring potential? And what is the difference in each of those decisions? Sure, if you hire a professional, probably you're going to be able to snap your fingers

and be achieving things immediately. But in the end, is that person as capable of flexing and floating along with the needs of that business over time? That's a good point. And also, do they come into that business with a preconceived notion of what their future is going to be based on like, I'm going to move from here to there, and then I'll get a corner office and then blah, blah, blah. And they have this idea already mapped out in front of them. And then when things aren't that way, they maybe be disappointed or don't know how to react yeah this is the equivalent of the bicycle pathway thing but mapped out in like a different

scenario and but it gets me thinking about myself too in like in in what are my pathways that i can't break in when in thinking about subject matter in looking at the way i behave because i feel like i feel like the not being able to ride the bike the other way is the perfect example of how we kind of how we treat a lot of things like our I think our perspective should always be floating we should always be able to to you know in politics and stuff they're always talking about that guy he flip-flopped he used to say that now he says this wasn't that normal isn't that life well flip-flopping in politics is hilarious because it's the one part of life where you're supposed to have a pre-formed decision by the time you enter into public office and it never changes that's right like you can't evolve

it's weird as a society it seems that we we value for some reason a person who doesn't change their opinion when in reality it should be the other thing. Well, also, some of these opinions, it's not like murder is bad. You know what I mean? I mean, they're complex issues that require a lot of consideration. Yes. You know what I mean? Especially when it comes to things about maybe the economy or things about what shouldn't be a crime.

And, you know, is it actually a crime to make people prisoners? Is that more of a crime than selling drugs? Like, what is the crime here? It should be dynamic. And it always has been dynamic. That's the thing. But I don't know what it is exactly that holds it back. Also, I think it's a fine line because on the other side of it, if a person's bouncing around from day to day on how they feel about something, could be a fucking nightmare as well well then they shouldn't be a leader yeah i mean that's sort

of i mean even mean in your life in a relationship of course yeah it's like it's like there's this really there's this groove somewhere in the middle of like committing to certain things but being open-minded about others it's like kind of a balance to it well isn't that the case with pretty much everything in life that life really doesn't have a whole lot of real solid black and whites, that there's a lot of room for consideration. There's a lot of variables that you're managing on a daily basis when it comes to many things in life. Definitely. And that's why a lot of things, when you look at them and you go, ooh, well, okay, well, there's a lot of ways to look at this. at this and when someone wants to come at it like from a real hard black or white perspective that usually is either someone with a like a deep agenda or someone who doesn't have a considered

nuanced perspective of the subject at hand it's one of the most uh it's one of the most frustrating things about like living a substantial part of my life on the internet is that and i don't know if we talked about this previously or not but it's like it's this idea of everybody having kind of a microphone everybody being able to blast out their their kind of perspective like i don't like the comment section on youtube and my comments are not that bad okay but i don't like the way it works. The idea that you could create this video, put all this effort into it, formulate a perspective, and then everybody's going to scroll to the top comment, and this dude put in what? 10 seconds?

A knee-jerk reaction, and he gets to occupy that real estate? I don't like it. I think there's a better way to do that. What is the better way? estate i don't like it i think there's a better way to do that what is the better way i think the person who published the thing has to have a little bit more control over kind of like in a forum traditionally how you could have moderators who had certain abilities that others didn't you should be able to promote people in your community to be kind of the authority figures just like everything else you have to manage in life when it comes to people but isn't

that censorship in a lot of ways I mean no I don't think it's have the option to have not have comments okay but that's not that's not a good look it's not a good look no you have comments turned off you're a feminist yeah if I come to your video and you have comments turned off I'm like oh I get it I get it you're probably talking bullshit because you're not even willing to have anybody say anything here. Well, they can say it. They just don't say it right underneath your work. Yeah, see.

I wish. I mean, it would be cool if it was that way. It would be cool. And trust me, whenever I engage in anything slightly more artistic or subjective online, I'm like, I'm thinking'm thinking man it'd be cool to turn off the comments and let it just let it just breathe a little bit but at the same time i'm like this is the format that has been what everyone's accepted and and and and expects now and so i feel like probably the healthier approach is this this idea of tweaking it. What are the numbers? Like, what percentage of people actually comment?

It's fucking tiny. It's so fractional. But they dominate the goddamn perspective. That's the problem. And the ones with the shittiest points of view are the ones that are the loudest.

The loudest, most black and white, just like the headline science we were talking about before. There's a reaction that you have to a really negative, aggressively shitty comment. Yes.

Where it's like a... I'm going to reply to that. Now there's a whole thread underneath that guy's single comment, which then pushes it to the top because it's creating conversation. And this is stuff that on the highest level, the biggest businesses in the space, if you're Google, if you're Facebook, they're having boardroom meetings about this stuff. Did you hear about what Clinton's doing? No.

Hillary Clinton is spending $1 million to combat forum trolls and people on Reddit and Twitter and social media. With what? With her own mercenaries? Who's going to do it? They have 100 people that are working for her that actively go out and correct people that are saying negative things about this fucking career criminal that might be the president of the United States someday. See, I don't like that either. You know, when I'm talking about maybe tweaking the comment system, hell no to that.

But look at this. Like, do you have it, Jamie? It is bizarre. Yeah, it's creepy. I mean, this is the first time anyone's ever done this before and done it openly. The way that politicians have been able to use social media. Paying online trolls to attack anyone

disparages her. Hey, who's the guy who wrote that? Isn't that the guy? The Twitter guy? Oh, is it that guy? People were complaining, is he black or is he white? He's the white guy that pretends to be black. It's not Izzy. He definitely is.

I don't know. I haven't followed it. Yeah, if you follow it, there's no evidence whatsoever there's any African American in him at all. You look at his brothers and his sister, they all look like him. His dad's white. The whole thing is a mess.

His mom's white. Yeah, don't ever pull up this guy's articles. There's a lot of other articles on it. That guy is a fucking fraud. It's weird that that guy's employed, too. He's employed by the Daily News or something like that. Yeah, that's what it was. Jesus Christ.

Do you guys have Google? What do you do in Daily News? Probably because you can promote the article and tweet it out. I assume he has a following. I guess. There's a lot of that going on. Who the hell knows? promote the article and tweet it out. I assume he has a following. I guess. There's a lot of that going on. That is a lot of what's happening

with these newspapers too. They've sort of fallen into the clickbait realm too. They have to survive on that. Do you remember when they used to try to make you pay to subscribe? Some do. New York Times, you still pay well. You get like 10 articles and then you have to pay

to continue beyond it. Newspapers, I mean mean those institutions are the most entitled group of people that that still exist them maybe radio i can't wait to be honest for uh every car on the planet to ship with android auto or or uh apple carplay because then it's a wrap. Android Auto, but the problem is, like, I've seen a lot of cars that have Google CarPlay. I have it in one of my cars. Oh, okay, cool. But I don't recall ever seeing a car with Android Auto. But isn't Android at least 50% of the smartphone market? Oh, yeah, probably more.

Maybe not in the U.S. Globally, it's more than 50. More than 50. Yeah, but, yeah yeah because in emerging markets nobody can afford iPhones right you know but you you could tell me this like the latest like Samsung's like the Galaxy S7 yeah it's basically a wrap right I mean they're they're a wash you've got pros and cons but they're both pretty goddamn oh yeah oh 100%. I wouldn't have a problem recommending yeah an S7 any of the

Nexus devices what else? I mean the one that I didn't really like that much I haven't made a video about it. Sometimes the problem with me is sometimes if I'm not into something I just don't make a video about it and so people are like why is this guy always so fucking excited about everything? It's like well shit I want

to make a video about the stuff I'm excited about trying to be positive yeah like and I understand how that can look like you know you're just always taking you're not taking a strong position but it's like if I put my sim card into a phone and I'm not feeling it it's not going to last in there very long you know

so anyway I had some issues with LG's latest phone even though I like some stuff about it the G5 it's a modular phone so though I like some stuff about it, the G5. It's a modular phone. So it's like, I don't know if you remember, there was this thing called Project Aria? Project Aria? I remember. It was a modular phone.

You could like, anyway, that obviously never happened. But LG kind of took the approach of like trying to make what the consumer version of that would look like. So there's modules. took the approach of trying to make what the consumer version of that would look like. So there's modules. So the battery compartment, you can pull out the battery and then reinsert a camera module, which is going to give you a better grip, different attributes to the camera. What? Pull this fucking thing out.

You can then pull that out and you can put in another module, which is a better headphone amplifier. So you can run better headphones off of your phone. Really? Yeah. And I like that kind of shit turns me on. I like that stuff. So when I see it, I'm like, fuck, I want to support that. Even if it's not 100% polished. Yeah.

So here you go. If you scroll down, you can see how the battery pulled out on the bottom in that picture there. So they call them friends. I had a bit of an issue with translation there. But the different modules are called friends, and you'll see here he can slide it out. Hopefully he does in this clip here.

There. So that pops out. And you could even just carry around another battery, which that's becoming a tougher thing to do with phones, obviously. Oh, you're getting killed here. Fucking ass. Getting hit. I like the options.

I don't want to save. I want to be a loser. Can I click on I want to be a loser? So anyway, I don't know if they show any of the other modules here, but they're opening it up to third parties as a port. So essentially, if you're an audio maker and you want to have your own amp, or if you're a God knows what accessory you might want to have utilized that may be a bigger battery. Right.

You know, maybe who knows, whatever it is that you might want to improve, you could access that and do so. What an uphill battle it is, though, for these cell phone companies to come up with something that you can get other people to jump in on and make accessories for. Because people look at it and go, man, I don't know if this is going to catch on do we do we use our resources and our engineers to develop something this is lg platform when we can just make some shit for the iphone and it's going to sell for sure yep and this is a problem this is why there are such a huge abundance of accessories for that platform and it's something to consider for a person there's there's some of the modules wow the module on module on the bottom, the brown one, is that the camera one? Yeah. What the fuck, man? Wouldn't grip. So you get a real shutter, like a regular camera. What is that upper left

one that looks like a speaker? That's actually LG's camera one. So that thing is, that's a camera? So basically what it does is it gives you a bigger battery, first of all, and then it gives you some control over the shutter as well as a wheel. Now, on a professional camera, that wheel normally would be mapped to shutter speed or something more professional style of interaction. So it wouldn't just be click and go. You could get more control over the manual functions of it. And that one in the middle, I think, is a digital analog converter,

so a headphone amp from, I think it's Bang & Olufsen, some high-end audio company, so you can drive bigger headphones. But anyway, I really like the approach. Another thing they did on that phone is they put two lenses on the back, and a lot of people think on the next iPhone we might see two lenses as well. I'll ask you this before I get into this next part. Actually, you know what i'm gonna get to that in a second i'm gonna go a dual lens but uh the dual lens on the on the lg one of them

is super wide angle so you can capture a really wide frame this is one of them that's one of my pet peeves about uh phone cameras and you can see both of them there they're not very wide so like you want to capture like a group or architecture or beach or something it's always like this really narrow field of view so in this particular case one of them is super wide and one of them is a more standard field of view and so it's like having an interchangeable lens system but it's always in your phone so right from within the app you can switch between lenses that's interesting yeah i like that so the iphone might do something similar what do you not like about this phone? Okay, so I don't know how fair it is, but really the way I evaluate a phone is how it kind of interacts with all the other devices that I expect it to interact with. So, for example, if I get in my truck and I want this shit to seamlessly connect via Bluetooth, start playing my podcast, and so on.

This phone, for whatever reason, it had no problem linking up the multimedia portion to play the music, the podcast. But the headset portion, for whatever reason, it wouldn't connect for answering phone calls via my Bluetooth. Again, this is anecdotal. This is my personal experience. It's tough to even put that out there because who knows? It's just the way that's talking to my truck. But that issue doesn't exist with any of the other flagships. So that's something that I'm going to consider. Another thing is build. So a lot of people were upset because of the way that that modular portion

fits in. It's not completely flush. It's a little bit rough around the edges. And so again, it's not completely flush it's a little bit rough around the edges and so again it's so competitive in this marketplace any little inch you're going to give up is going to have a drastic impact and lastly i don't like their software their skin that they put on android but we talked about this before i'm like a purist when it comes to that and i usually modify that anyways but there was some weirdness from the get-go about not just the skin they have on there but but how hard it is to really switch it around too much the samsung theme store is a little bit more elaborate if you want to change the appearance of the way your touchwiz touchwiz has gotten a lot better but i still have a nexus in my pocket right now so now the nexus phones

what is what's the service illuminate this There's something where with Google, you can pay Google, and that becomes your provider. And your phone will work on everything, T-Mobile, Verizon. Yeah, not everything. No? Well, is it? I don't think so. No? No, I think it's just the select carriers because I think the Verizon bands are different.

Oh, they're CDMA. Right. Yeah. But I thought that CDMA and GSM, like most phones will work on CDMA and GSM like the iPhones will. Like if you travel overseas and you're in a GSM environment only.

Yeah. iPhone is actually one of the few. I'm not sure if Nexus does or not. That seems crazy that they wouldn't. It bounces around. I think it might be T-Mobile and it can bounce to Sprint and AT&T. Well, that's CDMA and then GSM as well then. So they're going back and forth between two different types of bands. Maybe

they are. I'm not 100% sure. That service is not available where I am. Oh, okay. Is it in Canada? Yeah. It's not available? No. So I'm not 100% sure on that. But with Nexus devices in general, you can do whatever you want with them. They're completely unlocked. So even if you just went to the Google Play Store and ordered a Nexus 6P or 5X, any SIM card you put in there is going to work. And Nexus does it that way so they can give you the pure Google experience. You're buying it directly from Google with no skins, no apps, no touch wiz, no bullshit. And the tough part about that is there's so few people who have ever even experienced it because you can't pick it up in a Verizon store or an AT&T store. That's got to be frustrating for the Google people yeah i think so but at the same time it feels like they could do

more from a marketing perspective to build awareness around the brand definitely because i mean i'm barely aware of it i know most people are i think part of it has to do with it's kind of like uh the oil business and the highway business and it's like you don't want to piss off carriers right because carriers still pull so much weight but it's just weird that the carriers would want to jizz all over the soup we're back there yeah yeah why are the carriers jizzing on the google hey i mean there's tons of evidence of verizon and comcast and fucking you name it like they're all trying to protect this really this really strange business I mean they started out as what cable

companies and doing home phones and then it was like all of a sudden this whole thing was mobile and we could bounce around and we had and it's like really the business has changed but they've continued to try to lock you into this bundle

the bundle of things that you could have. The TV package that's $200 and you watch four stations. I mean, they're banking so hard that I can understand what they're trying to protect. They're trying to lock you in. Anything you buy, they're going to lock you into a contract and it's a few hundred dollars. I mean, it's pretty obvious. There's a bit of a play there. Yeah.

People are wising up, though. A lot more people are buying their own devices now. So, Jamie, see if you can figure out what exactly that Nexus service is and how it works. I think it's called Google Fi. Yeah, Project Fi. Yeah. It's not saying anything on here specifically about which networks. Click on the network button.

It just says it chooses the best network and it goes from LTE to Wi-Fi back and forth. It doesn't say which carrier they're actually in. LTE to Wi-Fi? Yeah, it bounces back and forth. LTE to Wi-Fi. But how's it using Wi-Fi when you're driving? Oh, get access to two 4G

LTE networks. So it's two networks. I don't remember who they are. Project Fi, access the best of two 4G LTE networks. Okay. So it's two networks. I don't remember who they are. Project Fi, access the best of two 4G LTE networks so you can connect to more towers and get fast speeds at more places. I'm nearly positive that one of them is T-Mobile. It doesn't say on here. Why would it not say? That seems crazy.

They might have a white paper somewhere on the internet that you can get your hands on. Listen to this. Connect to better Wi-Fi. There are lots of Wi-Fi hotspots out there, but not all of them are high quality. Project Fi automatically connects you to more than a million free open Wi-Fi spots. We verified for fast and real. But how does that affect you while you're walking around?

Is it really going to go from Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi? That sounds ridiculous. They had a little graphic on here that kind of just shows it. But, I mean, it's just graphics. It's not real-life application. Right, right, right. It's not giving you actual data. Experience.

Yeah. Calls and text over Wi-Fi for more coverage. See, this sounds good in paper, like maybe in 10 years. Calls transition seamlessly from Wi-Fi and cell phone networks. Tell the people their phone drops off left and right and they're yelling at you. I fucking hate this. Switching networks is a bit of a nightmare. I don't know.

Again, this is kind of, to me, this is kind of along the lines of that modular phone. It's like I like it. It speaks to me in some way. This idea of innovating in the space, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's all the way there Jamie see if you can find instead of this commercial cartoon they're showing us actual data of what networks

they're using and how it works you probably can yeah because Chris Ryan, Dr. Chris Ryan the guy who wrote Sex at Dawn, he was the one who first told me about it and that's why he bought the phone he's like I love it because everywhere I go, he just finds the best service. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, okay. That sounds like a great idea if it's in paper. Who are the partners? Sprint and T-Mobile. Sprint and T-Mobile. Okay. He just carries in the U.S. to launch our service. Well, you know what, man?

So that's exactly what Ting does. Yeah. Ting uses Sprint and T-Mobile as well. They use T-Mobile for GSM and Sprint for CDMA. Yeah. And so you would get the same coverage that you get with T-Mobile or with Ting. But with Ting, you only pay for what you use. Like Ting has a great deal where if you barely use it, like I've barely used my phone before and I've got a $10 bill.

Yeah. The one thing that they have there is that Wi-Fi transition thing. Maybe you're using less data. You have to log into Wi-Fi networks. That's what I don't understand. How could that be verifiable? I know. They're like reliable. I don't know about that. But this idea of free Wi-Fi hotspot,

if you go to Starbucks and use their hotspot or Coffee Bean, you have to log in. You're going to have to pre-log in to all these places in order for it to see me to transition? Yeah, unless you've got some kind of clearance, maybe, where those IMEI numbers could somehow have access. I'm not 100% sure how that works.

Boy, that sounds fishy as fuck. I'm not 100% sure how that works. But Wi-Fi calling and whatnot is cool, because generally speaking, even in your own places, like the places you frequent, like your office and your house and such. I have Wi-Fi calling on my phone. I love it and exactly it's amazing it's high quality you have a great connection so it does make sense in theory the way they were showing it on that graphic is probably overstating it right yeah yeah but anyway so so so in in android space i think it's pretty easy i

think right now for me it would be probably an s7 or the Nexus 6P is in my pocket, which I like. Can I see that? Yeah. Pull that bitch out. Yeah, yeah. This, again, what you're seeing a lot of now is you're seeing the fingerprint scanner being moved to the back of the device. So you could just do it as you're holding it up. So, yeah, exactly.

You'll notice it sort of fits in there. Wow. Yeah, that's nice. I like that. That's actually really clean. I've actually got a skin on it. Oh, this is a skin? Yeah, yeah. It would look a little different. It's a little more grippy

like that. I like it. Yeah. This is really thin and nice. Yeah. It's, um... This is a 6P? Is that what it is? That's a 6P. It's the bigger brother, so the 5X is pretty much identical. The screen's a little lower resolution on that one. No physical buttons on the outside. Just over here on the side.

Yeah, but not on the screen. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, they're all digital. Yeah. Well, if you look at like an iPhone, that giant home button increases the size of the bezel substantially. Yeah, it does. Now, another thing that phone makers, I think, I don't remember if I talked about this before,

is like forward-facing speakers is such a huge thing. Yeah. The fact that we don't have that on a lot of devices yet. Yeah, the iPhone has a little dinky speaker on the bottom. On the bottom. It's kind of, it's like, from a design perspective, you can't imagine ever doing a drawing where for any reason you do that unless it was an absolute necessity.

But the thing is, a lot of phone makers keep trying to slim down the devices. It has to be thinner every single generation. And so that usually means they're subtracting things rather than adding them, is a problem for people who are like super into tech like are you complaining about the thickness of that that could be a little bit thicker if you got better battery life say a better camera right yeah or do you need it to be that thin no i'm good with it the way it is i like it the battery life is fine like the six plus yeah it has a huge battery it's pretty pretty fucking good yeah it has a huge battery i was's pretty fucking good. Yeah, it has a huge battery. I was actually okay with the 6. The 6 was okay.

The battery life was not bad. It's just I picked up one of these again, and I was like, I like the screen better. I like the big screen. Of course, bigger screen, yeah. Especially for going on a website or something like that and reading emails. The real argument against the big screen is one-handed use. Right. So if you're a person who takes public transit, you're on the subway,

and they got a coffee in one hand, then you can make the argument that any of these giant phones, it's difficult to interact with them one-handed. Well, then the argument is the new iPhone, the one that they've come out with, the old 4-inch one. The SE, yeah. That sucker fits right in your hand. Oh, it's tiny. Perfect.

But it's so easy to text one-handed with. Oh, yeah, definitely. I was kind of lukewarm about it just because it's like— Going backwards. It's like, what do we—you know, the stuff I get excited about is the innovation and sort of the people behind it, the research, development, and such. And it's like any time you see a company kind of going back—but then again, I thought about it when I made a video about it. It's like, well, if you drive a Porsche, they don't look all that different. Well, not only that, a Porsche is smaller than an SUV.

Like if you invented an SUV and you're like, I don't want to drive an SUV. I want a little car that zips around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of what that phone is. It's like a little sports car. It's like, yeah, because it's fast. It's fast. Yeah, they upgraded the camera.

I just, yeah, I feel like we could have seen a new design. That's all. It would have been interesting. They've had a lot of time to figure out what they wanted to do with a smaller phone. But the edginess of that old phone. Super grippy. It grips. It's like it's got a hard, angular sort of edge to it that fits right in your hand.

One of the slipperiest phones that exists. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's why I like this skin. I got this skin. It's got texture on the outside and it's wood. Yeah,iest phones that exists. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's why I like this skin. I got this skin. It's got texture on the outside and it's wood. Yeah, you're gripping. Yeah. Yeah.

I like it. So the issue with the next iPhone, this is what I'm going to ask you, Joe. There's rumors, they're probably beyond rumors, that they're going to give up the headphone jack. Yeah, that's gross. You're not happy about that? No, I think that's gross. Like, cut the shit. What if you're going to get improved audio? How much improved much improved what are you doing you're just making things proprietary like

they're trying to sell a fuck ton of beats headphones what they're trying to do they see and then also the problem with that is are you going to be able to charge it at the same time as listening to music is it going to be one of those things so here's the thing i had an idea i'm just gonna put it out there because I'm not going to do it. I'm too fucking busy. But like for a set of headphones that use that port that actually have a battery that charge your phone while you're listening. Because you know a lot of people carry around backup batteries anyways.

It's not a bad idea. I'm not going to make it. Like I said, I'm busy. It's not totally a bad idea. But anyway, the point being is like it's not universal. So you couldn't just be over at your friends and grab any pair of headphones. All the stuff you maybe already

invested in. A lot of people have invested a lot into audio. And everything fits with this 3.5mm universal jack. And it's been that way for god. 50 years? More. More than 50 years. It used to be a quarter inch jack like this stuff here. Which could be years. It used to be a quarter inch jack like this stuff here,

which could be adapted, but essentially it's been that analog connection for as long as there's been audio equipment. So this is a big move. If the leader in the marketplace gives up on that and goes with the strictly digital connection, you can expect all the other people to follow suit because Apple just has that kind of pull.

Well, they were the first ones to abandon the floppy disk. Remember that? And then they were the first ones... They abandoned everything. I mean, the new ones, those new laptops, they don't even have a USB. They just have the C, USB-C. Yeah. Like, what? One port to provide power

to interface with it. It really should have two. Most of the PC manufacturers with competitive products to that MacBook have two USB-C ports. Yeah. Do you think that they're trying to establish the cloud? Is it to try to encourage people to upload data to the cloud? That's part of it.

That's part of it. But honestly, not to be too pessimistic about it, but Apple does have a history of this sort of planned obsolescence. And I fully believe that, at least with the next generation, a lot of people were hoping it would be this generation. You'll just see that second port, and they'll go, now with two ports. Everybody runs the lineup

for it, you know? Yeah. But anyway, the most controversial thing on the next version is certainly going to be this idea of giving up the headphone jack. Is that confirmed? It's pretty fucking close. I got a question about that. Wouldn't they still be able to use that little port to have headphones that plug into the charging port?

An adapter, you mean? Those are new headphones everyone has to go buy, but that doesn't completely kill headphones. Yeah, oh yeah, they could totally stick an adapter in there. Yeah, but then you'd have to have some new thing in your pocket that you'd hold on to. The adapter, yeah. That's annoying. It doesn't have to be an adapter,

but they could put out, just like they put out earbuds with every iPhone, they could just give you new ones that plug into there. Oh yeah, no doubt. Just a new earphone. Oh yeah, no doubt. Right, but the problem is you wouldn't be able to charge it at the same time.

You'd have to have one or the other. I'm saying that wouldn't be wireless. The new ones they give you wouldn't be wireless. They plug into the port we charge into now. Right. That's what I'm saying. You couldn't charge and listen at the same time. Oh, I get you on that. There's going to be some drawback and people are going to

lose their shit and then everybody's going to buy the fucking iPhone. Well, it's so convenient that it works so seamlessly with your laptop and Macs do make the best operating system for home computers in my opinion. We're going to try some Windows shit out because Razer is going to send us

some laptops. I heard about this. Holy am I invited to this party or what? Hell yeah. You want to get in on the Doom party? We're going to have a Doom LAN party. Do you really know what you're getting into here? In what way? Well I don't know. I mean how elaborate will this thing be? What kind of systems are you getting?

What's happening here? We're probably going to use Razer's laptop systems. They have gaming laptops that are pretty fucking substantial. Yeah, definitely. The Razer Blade. I actually was one of the Razer developers, like, early back in the day in the 90s. Excuse me? Yeah.

I was one of the guys who helped them with their mice. Get out of town. You know how much cred you're getting right now? The original Razer guy, Robert Krakow, was a friend of mine, and he was trying to figure out. I met him, I think, at E3. I think I met him there. I forgot where I met him.

But I was friends with the id Software guys way back in the day. I met John Carmack way back during Quake 2 when they were developing Quake 3. I got to play Quake 3, like the early developer model. You were deep, man. Yeah, I was deep. They had their original, the Razer Mamba, their original high sensitivity mouse. And ergonomically, people didn't like it. They loved the fact that it was like a really super sensitive module inside of it, the sensor that would pick up the movement.

It was super sensitive and high DPI. But we didn't like the ergonomics. The shape didn't seem right. What was wrong with the shape? Too flat? It was a really weird shape. It had like a hump in the back. Then it leaned forward to a flat front like a duck's foot.

It was real weird. Do you remember the early shape? I'm trying to remember it right now. I don't think I can pinpoint it in my head. Well, obviously, people have different shaped and sized hands. Well, because some, and also some people employ the claw. Yes. They have a different grip.

Yeah. And so you would, I guess you'd want a different shape depending on the grip you utilize. Well, there's a lot of variables, right? One of the variables is do you rest your arm? Do you rest your arm or are you a hoverer? And do you go with high sensitivity or you do low sensitivity and quick movements? And do you use

mouse sampling? Like, you know, there's like mouse acceleration. Do you know what that is? Yeah, of course. So, like, if you move quicker, the mouse actually moves quicker than that. It works on some sort of like a gyroscope, or that's probably not the right word. Accelerometer. Yeah, accelerometer.

Whereas if you move quicker, it actually covers distance quicker than your movement. It helps you move quicker. And then when you're into flying slower movements, it slows down. Some people like that. Some people don't like that. Depending on the game. Depending on how you play. But for it was variable first person shooters so um me and um my friend lou morton who was a hardcore gamer is one of the writers for news radio and a bunch of

friends that were in my quake clan at the time we got together with the razor guy and we had a land party and we all discussed, we brought in a bunch of different shaped mouse mice and we all showed which mouse we used and why we used it. And I believe at the time I was using a Microsoft mouse and I really liked laser mice because they were, they were back then, they were, they were not quite good enough for, for games. They were a little awkward. They were a little awkward. They weren't as sensitive. They would miss things, but they wouldn't require cleaning. And the ball mice require cleaning.

Oh, God, yeah, right. And so we all had these different ones that we would use. And so they compiled all of our suggestions and then created their next generation mice. So this was in the 90s. So I was like one of the early guys that helped them with the shape of mice. So imagine all the kids out there right now with

a Razer mouse. I was just one of them. There's a lot of people. He's like, don't get carried away there. I wouldn't do that because it was a gaming mouse that one of the big, Logitech. Logitech had the best shape. I love Logitech mice. I use one right now. I use the

what is it called? The Performance MX. Love it. Wouldn't use anything else. But they had one that was specifically designed for gaming, and it only had three buttons. But the shape of it, the Logitech gaming mouse just fit perfectly in your hand. I think it was the MX518. That was a super popular gaming mouse back in the day.

Could be. I mean, they just called it the Logitech gaming mouse. Oh, did they? Yeah, it was a super popular gaming mouse back in the day could be I mean they just called it the Logitech gaming mouse oh did they? yeah it was a grey mouse it didn't have any buttons other than the three buttons this might be earlier than I'm thinking

yeah it was kind of crude and primitive but people really loved it because like you would you would set these buttons for different things like some of them would set one of the buttons for a jump some of them would set

one of the buttons like the way I would have it I would have the index finger would be my trigger. That's how I would shoot. The middle button would be a rail gun, and the far left button would be a rocket launcher. So if I wanted a rocket launcher, I'd hit that far button. It would come to me instantly, and I could shoot it. And then the rail gun would be the one that I would count on for like a long-range sniper shot.

And so you have all your keys. Your keys would be in front of you, W, A, S, and D for movement. Various weapon keys were really close. Like lightning gun was up here. A C. You would hit that for this and that for that. And you would configure it based on what you would like. And so there was... Yeah, that was one, but that was not the one.

This is probably a new one. It's probably more modern. I'm trying to find one from the 90s. It's so hard. No need, pretty that's pretty dope that one right there like the there's they have tons of buttons now yeah like the performance mice now like you could have never mind the ones for those massive multiplayer games yeah those guys are crazy those mice can have like 30 40 buttons on them to trigger certain behaviors i don't know i'm not an expert in that space. Those games scare the shit out of me.

Really? Those massive multiplayer games are the ones that just suck your life up. Oh, yeah. Those people just vanish from the world. Yeah. Now, what is going to happen with those people when they get over to something like this? This box that we have in front of us, Lewis and I were playing with this before the show, and we had the gentleman in that helped work with it.

Yeah, let me give them a shout out. Master of Shapes on Twitter. These guys, they create mostly VR experiences, but this headset here is actually an AR headset. And you may have heard of it. It's called the Microsoft HoloLens. Essentially, you've got a lens in front of you in a fairly narrow field of view.

But what ends up happening is you have this digital representation that's overlaid on your own physical space that's how i would describe it you tried it out joe why don't you uh give us some feedback well right now it's kind of crude um there's some holes in it and this is this is just developer kit so it's not meant to be a polished consumer product but it's pretty it's pretty revealing as far as what the potential is and we're in for a wild ride in the next 20 years

I mean what we're seeing with this is a kind of a crude version of virtual reality in a video game where things are coming at you but you know they're bullshit you know they don't look real you know you're pressing a clicker you can shoot them out of the air it's kind of fun well from a gaming perspective i still think uh the vr experiences are a lot

more immersive than than something like this where you can still see your surroundings exactly when you put the headset on and everything is gone, and you're doing some zombie game or some shit, I was playing with the HTC Vive recently. Most people are saying that's the one to get for VR headsets. Really? Over Oculus Rift? Yeah, just the way the tracking is done. It's

a very smooth experience. They've got controllers that come with it that map against the headset itself. They're wireless. You're still wired into a huge gaming PC via your head. But it's kind of cool. Some of the demos I did have, they have these digital walls that you bump into.

So you know the sort of limits of where you can go. But some people have done some really interesting things. If you can bring up Jamie into the void. Have you seen this yet? No. Okay. Should I say anything or should we play the clip?

Let's play it. Okay, play the clip into the void. Yeah. I'm curious if someone is going to develop something like those laser tag warehouses.

Oh my God. How the fuck did you just nail it? How did you just nail it? That's what we're about to watch. Somebody in Salt Lake City built this experience where you have this pack on, which if you get shot, it's like an actual physical. I think we have talked about this before.

Did this come up? I feel like this came up in one of the Red Band podcasts. I feel like it did, too. I'm looking for it right now. Or just void? Yeah, I see something called The Void. Yeah, yeah. That might be it.

See, because if you can establish, if you can get a place where you have this enormous warehouse space, and then in that warehouse space, you set it like... Have you ever played paintball? Of course. I played paintball once in Boston. There's this place in Lynn

that had these black lights, and it was a warehouse, and you would run around. There was boxes and all these barriers and shit. So here it is right here. Okay, here we go. Where dreams become reality. Okay, so this girl is walking around

and there's actual walls and she turns a corner and she's in some fucking magical land. So the computer in this case is in the backpack. So you're completely untethered. Oh my god. And so

they've constructed all this stuff. unparalleled visuals and body tracking and so you're wearing a suit like an x-men type uniform and it's got sensors on it virtual worlds built over physical environments i do believe we've talked about this this looks a little familiar yeah we're getting to this part of it i don't feel like it looked like exactly no i feel like this is an updated version of what we saw before. I think they've actually launched now, I think. You can actually go do it. It's not just a concept.

4D environmental effects. So you've got air that blows on you and shit. Yeah, to go along with what's happening. Wow, do you get rain? Explore with and play against others. Whoa. So they would have to be mapped in that physical space as well. Well, at least you're going to move around a little and get some exercise.

I kind of like that. I like the idea of actually holding a physical gun and having to aim a physical gun. Give you some hand-eye coordination. And by the way, of course, this is how they're going to train soldiers now. Oh, yeah. Big time. They're going to get people that are really good at doing it this way, and they're going to train them for the battlefield. This is wild, man.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Doom. Yeah, you can imagine when that thing grabs hold of you, and your vest is gripping you tighter, and you're feeling the physical surroundings. That's going to hijack our sensory system. Big time. Sure. Especially when it gets better and better, where it's more and more reactive. You can feel it in very specific areas of your body.

If something grabs your shoulder, like a zombie from behind, you turn and it actually has its hand on your shoulder. Holy fuck. And the thing is, after people grow up with those kinds of experiences, how the fuck are they going to go to the movie theater and just sit there? They're not. Well, the movies are going to have to ramp it up. That will be, yeah, that will be the equivalent of what it is.

Maybe Disney, maybe some Star Wars down the road, you'll be in it. Well, sometimes, though, you just want to go to the movies, you know? You want to go on a date, eat some popcorn, just sit down and relax. Right. Although I think that, I mean, those experiences, who knows? Who knows if the next generation will give a fuck about any of that? Well, they don't need a date. They don't need the popcorn. Yeah, right. They don't even need a date.

No, that's what I'm saying. They got it all figured out, man. They don't need to leave the house. What is our personality, like the collective personality of human beings? How much is it going to be affected by robot sex slaves? A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. No one will compromise for anything. We will be such ugly motherfuckers, dude.

Or be like completely unneedy. No, not at all. I do not think so. Where are you at, Jamie? You want to weigh in there? We're getting real close to demolition, man, I feel like. All the things that are happening with that. Taco Bell is going to become everyone's favorite meal. We're going to have to wipe our asses.

Why is Taco Bell going to be? That's just what it was in the movie. Three shells to wipe our asses, and no one knows what that means still. That's what we're going to head to. Yeah. Or The Matrix, or whatever sci-fi film you choose. No wonder. Ultimately, I think we're just becoming, we continue to have a smaller slice of the pizza and the digital realm, the internet, the data realm continues to have a bigger slice of the pizza.

So as long as that continues in that kind of direction, we're going to become more and more passengers and less and less drivers. And of course, that's happening, too. I'm sure you heard about the Model 3. Yeah. Like, they moved so many fucking units sight unseen. Like, can you imagine buying a car without seeing it? These people. Teslas are so proven, though, and it's Elon Musk.

He's, like, literally Tony Stark. Exactly. But all that stuff all that hype around it right it doesn't come easy it's all part of kind of a perspective they represent something bigger like in so many ways tech is like our god like we worship it like this is evidence of that in my opinion if you're gonna buy something without seeing it that's the ultimate fucking cult the ultimate coercion. But you're only buying it from a massively proven brand.

100%. 100%. But it's like. Do you know how many people do that with Porsche as well? Listen, with iPhones? With whatever. Porsche has a Model R that's coming out. It's actually very retro.

The Porsche Model R is so spoken for. It's a 911 with a GT3 engine but a six-speed manual transmission. And none of the external aerodynamic spoilers and shit like that. It looks like a regular 911. And all the aerodynamics are sort of built into the undercarriage of the car in order to keep it down at weight. And what they've done is made a very retro type experience. What about all the electronics?

Well, you can shut all that stuff off. But this car, there's so few of them that they're selling this car now for a million dollars. Sure. This is a regular fucking 911 that just has retro capabilities, and people are selling them sight unseen for a million dollars. But I understand it at the high end, because at the high end, this is not car number one for most people. Right. This is like, yeah, on a whim, whatever.

I have some fucking money burning a hole in my pocket. In the case of the Model 3, that's a $35,000 car. Right. Wasn't that more understandable then? How so? Because it's less of a risk. No, no,'s a $35,000 car. Right. Wasn't that more understandable then? How so? Because it's less of a risk. No, no, no. I'm talking about volume.

Right. So I looked at their numbers and then went and referenced it against like what about Honda Civic? How significant is this number? Like I'm sure Porsche is only going to make, what, 50 of those? I don't know. Not that many. Not that many for North America. Yeah.

So in those cases, you understand it. Like it's super exclusive. They'll probably make like 911. That's probably what they North America. Yeah. So in those cases, you understand it. Like it's super exclusive. They'll probably make like 911. That's probably what they'll do. Exactly. And number one and number 911 will be worth the most and whatever. But in this case, it was like there's not as much that can be learned from a sort of small experiment like that. But there's a lot more that can be learned from when you're moving half a million cars.

Yeah. Because then it's like, holy fuck, this is now an industry trend. This is not like some outlier. Right. And so when I saw the numbers and I'm like, holy shit, like Honda only sold this number of whatever last. Well, now we have this significant, we kind of have proof of concept in a different way now. Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. And I think that the proven brand of Tesla has gotten people so excited about what this guy is capable of with a smaller, less expensive car that like the price of entry for like the Model S or whatever it is. Yeah.

The expensive one. Like $80,000. It's a little too much. Yeah, yeah, certainly. When you come around with a $35,000 version of it and it looks pretty dope and it has that big laptop screen just like the other ones do. Like people just jumped in. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

100%. But the part that brought me to Tesla in the first place was just the autonomy of them. They're completely capable right now of driving themselves. They do. I have a buddy who does it. He gets on the highway and texts. Oh, yeah. 100%.

He just drives. Well, apparently the BMW 7 Series does the same thing as well. And certain Mercedes-Benz. But they want you to have your hand on the wheel. But they want you to have your hand on the wheel. It actually asks you to have your hand on the wheel. Which to me still makes a little bit of sense. I know. See, that's the thing is obviously there's going to be some friction between where we're going and where we're at.

And how much control we're willing to give to these systems. But getting back to the pizza thing, it's like that's a huge one. Yes. Getting back to the pizza thing, it's like that's a huge one. If we're willing to give up control of our vehicles, I think we're also probably willing to give up control of a lot of other things. I'm not sure if we talked about this before, but there was this really interesting – where did I – I don't know if I read it or if it was on a podcast. It was relating to Facebook in the early days and how one of the biggest issues they had was people getting tagged in photographs that didn't want to be tagged. And so they had a, they did this kind of test where they were like, well, how the hell do we get, allow people to get taken off the photograph without having to go to their friend

and saying, I don't want to be tagged in that photograph because that was an embarrassing thing to do. Right. And so what they did is they put in the stock answers like that you can send off to your friend, like select ABC. Like, I don't I don't want to be in that photo or I look stupid or whatever. And the second that they made it a multiple choice, way more people began to use it because they didn't have to come up with their own reason.

They felt like it was more accessible. So humans are low friction, like we're lazy as fuck. And many times we get overwhelmed at the prospect of having to come up with our own, I don't know, our own method for dealing with the awkwardness of life. So if you can imagine in the future, if these things, our phones and the systems we interact with, get really smart at figuring out the correct responses for certain inquiries. Let's say a girl texts you and she's like, hey, man, meet me at 8 p.m. or call me later. What if your phone knows better than you are, than you do, at what the correct response is if you want to sleep with her later?

Like here's the 50% likelihood. If you say this, this might be the outcome. But if you say that, this might be the outcome. But if you say that, you understand where I'm going with this? Well, sort of, but that doesn't take into account personality and the playful nature that people engage in each other and how that's attractive. It takes into account nothing of that. Right. Okay, but you and I are fully aware of that.

Facebook has this exorbitant amount of data to say people aren't doing that. Right. People prefer to have the fucking stock response. Look at emoji. Where the fuck did emoji come from? And now everybody's like, it's like there's a face for everything. Right. You used to make your own fake ones on your phone with characters.

And before that you didn't do it at all. I still do that. I don't use emojis. Well, anyway, they blew up. Everybody's using them now as this alternative form to expressing yourself with the tools you have available because they're de facto. So there's something accepting about seeing – answering a multiple choice question versus one that requires more input from you. The same reason people jump to conclusions when they're building a response or a perspective on any of those issues. And I envision a future. I mean, if you've ever used any of the wearable devices,

I'm not wearing one right now, they fucking bother me way too much. What do you got on there? This is just a G-Shock. It's a plain watch. Okay. Because these things, like, I don't understand how that's helpful, to be quite honest. I don't like it.

It interrupts more than anything else. It's like the objective was what? To get me to look at my phone less? But now I'm flashing you in the face every five seconds? Yeah, it is odd. Like, they really didn't solve the problem. Maybe we have to figure out how to use them better. But one thing I noticed immediately on the Apple Watch when I was experimenting with it

was the auto responses for questions, for texts, for anything. Yeah. It would have five or six options for how to get back to that person. Yeah. And maybe none of them are perfect, but just the easiness of it is why you want to interact with it. You're like, ah, fuck, maybe I'm not late because I'm at the grocery store, but it's easier than pulling out my phone and telling the person where I actually am.

How far away do you think we are from entire conversations taking place with predetermined questions and answers? This is what I'm talking about. I'm saying that pizza is shrinking. And our involvement in any of this, the meaning of any of this, is becoming less evident. Eventually, it'll be computers talking to computers through us. And then. We'll just be the vehicle for the delivery.

And we'll be the thing that helps it get to that point. Well, isn't that the thing that people are worried about more than anything anyway is artificial intelligence. And what better way for artificial intelligence to emerge than to convince us to stop using our own? Yes. Yes. It's an interesting, it's an amazing hack. It is. It plays on our own inability to put in work.

Well, it also, it reduces variables and it cuts down the unlikelihood of success. It cuts down on all the possible pitfalls and mistakes and chooses a much more potentially successful scenario for you. Yes, and this is what's going on on the web on a daily basis. When you're on YouTube and that next recommended video comes up and it catches your attention, that's this fucking thing in action, and it works, and they're the smartest people in the world, engineers sitting around day and night, A-B testing. What works on Joe Rogan?

What works on this other person? And then hyper-focusing in on the success stories and finding the things that are universal. And ultimately what we end up finding out is that we all think we're so fucking unique, yet our behavior is the complete opposite. We all do the shit we're expected to do. It's so fascinating that no one saw any of this coming either. Like 10 years ago, no one thought that that was going to be a real issue, that you're going to have a bunch of predetermined answers to a phone call coming in. How do you respond with a text?

Yes. It gives you a bunch of options. Yes. Nobody thought that that was like a slippery slope. How about this? How do you trust that anything if you're gonna be like fuck is the robot talking to me again or is it actually you this time you know what I mean you imagine having those conversations your loved ones you'll

turn your fucking turn your robotic responses off yeah right because what about getting back to people right I suck at it what about robotic robotic responses that mimic the way that you talk all the time? Yes, because they're analyzing your keyboard in real time and making suggestions already. Yeah. They're already pooling the data. Yeah. But the thing is, we know we're lazy to begin with.

Now, if we can get this system in place to auto-respond, I can't even get to all the emails I have right now. Right. So if I can turn this guy on when i'm not available this responder answer emails for you bingo oh if you could download your consciousness into a robot assistant that knows exactly what you would say robot version of me is it me saying it though nope i don't know what is here then you're getting into like the whole what is consciousness thing is like i don't know. I don't know. Then you're getting into the whole what is consciousness thing. I don't even know if it's transferable.

If it is transferable, then it would be you, right? Is it essential? Yeah. Is it necessary? Or are these emotions and all these things that we're clinging to, we hold on to so dearly, are they just artifacts of our ancient primate ancestors? Yeah, 100%. Definitely. ancestors yeah 100 definitely i think the cool part of this like the the weird thing to identify

is how our physiology has been kind of the system for the distribution like our own we talked we started off the podcast talking about entitled people talking about that self-centric emerging kind of way of living and you look at these these things, that's what they needed. They needed us to develop into those people. We had to become dependent on them. We had to have everything we wanted to see available on a whim for us to become the person necessary to continue this distribution process. We had to rely on it. We had to stop relying on ourselves in order to enable the reliance on something else we shut down our own sort of our own sort of response mechanisms for a lot of things i wake up in the morning and this fucking thing i pick it up yeah i pick it up and i look at it and my fucking neck is cranked up and i'm in pain and why have i not had a coffee yet why am i not on my way to work

why am i not making something that I get an incredible amount of fulfillment out of? There are, and again, I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit this. Nobody ever wants to admit that something has control over them. But like in this particular case, there are plenty of times where I go, why am I looking at this right now? And I'm still looking. You know what I mean? It's fucked. And then you go check something else.

It's fucked. And then you go look at this. It is fucked. It is in a lot of ways. Well, that's why a lot of people are flipping the flip phones. Great transition. I have a phone in my office right now. It's called Punk'd.

Bring up a picture of this thing. Punk'd? It's made by a company in Denmark. It is the intentionally modern, nice-to-look-at dumb phone for people trying to get off the system. Bring it up. Whatever happened to discipline? See, is that fair? Is it fair?

Sure. If you leave heroin out, are you going to shoot heroin? I don't shoot heroin. Well, here's the thing. Are you going to shoot heroin? I have discipline. Yeah. I'm sure it's wonderful.

But the heroin addicts, it's right there. You can't have it right there. What happened when they put, what was that study? The cocaine in the mouse? Yeah, that study's no good. No? No. Here here's why because it's in an artificial environment oh yeah they were pissed they were depressed to begin with well they're in a cage yeah yeah and they're in they're being stared at by people if you take those monkeys those same mice and you leave them in the woods they wouldn't be yeah they'd be happy woods mice but here's the thing you have data and

you have opinion right and in in big big digital companies, they value one way more than the other. Right. Data. And the truth of the matter is that people can't keep away. Right. Whether we want to argue it, it's like we are the proof. The evidence is out there. Or it's hijacked our curiosity.

Yes. With every click, something fascinating may come, even if it doesn't. There you go. Even if it doesn't. There you go. So it's like discipline over what? Discipline over the way we think about everything? You know what I mean?

It's like... We just have to recognize when it becomes a problem, stop using it that way. Yeah, but again, I think that's like... It's not going to slow it down. It's not going to slow it down for everybody, that's for sure. Yeah. Or most people. The sort of mass movement continues on.

You find this punk thing? He can't find it. Oh, it's P-U-N-K-T. Sorry, they're getting fancy with, what can I say? They're from Denmark. Maybe that's how they spell it there? Yeah. Punk.

It has battery life for like two weeks. Really? All it does is make phone calls. You know, anyway. Yeah, look at that little guy right there. The Punked phone launched at the London Design Festival lets you call and text. It also has nice buttons and it's easy to hold. And that's about it.

Okay, but the texting even is that old school method. Yeah, so you're not going to want to. Yeah, you press four times to get a Z. Yeah. But see, the weird thing was for somebody who wanted to make this statement, you had to go buy literally some old device. Well, here's a new one.

It's a modern design, but it's intentionally dumb. Yeah. You know what the designer is saying about it? They're not trying to convince people to quit with their smartphone. They're just saying, hey, put a SIM card in it. Set up call forwarding when you go on vacation. And just don't take this.

If somebody really needs you, they can get in touch with you. Right. But otherwise, you're not going to have that pull. And so I haven't cracked it open yet. I not going to have that pull and so i haven't cracked it open yet i'm going to do a challenge well i'd like a flip phone better than that honestly just flip phones you can shut it to hang up which is like it's the ultimate hang up it's pretty cool yeah i mean that was i missed that click yeah perk out you know flip phones are cool don't get me wrong i had i had a flip phone too I don't know why they took that particular approach

I just think they're interesting because they're making that statement as opposed to like the flip phone marketplace which is just like old leftover phones I feel like you can just have discipline maybe I'm old school I like it I use discipline listen I think discipline is fucking incredible

it's one of the greatest characteristics a human being can have. But. I didn't say but. You were ready to. You said but. No, I mean, when it comes to phones, I think we have the evidence. I think we have the evidence.

We certainly do. Even you, I believe you have that moment that I spoke of. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I definitely do. So where's the discipline at that point? When I realized it, I put it down. Right, but it's too late.

It already got you. Not too late. It already click baited you. No, and then I realized the next day and I don't do it. I check realized it, I put it down. Right, but it's too late. It already got you. Not too late. It already click baited you. No, and then I realized the next day and I don't do it. I check my text messages when I wake up.

I look, people I care about that actually have my number, I look at that, I go, okay. And I check my emails or anything super important

I have to get to and then I put that fucker down and then I go about my day. And you know what? I think I'm coming off kind of harsh here. I'm a guy who like talks about technology all the time.

It sounds like I'm shitting on technology. No, you're just recognizing a real issue. That's all. And so, I'm going off kind of harsh here. I'm a guy who talks about technology all the time. It sounds like I'm shitting on technology. No, you're just recognizing a real issue. That's all. So I'm going to do an experiment. I have the punk phone. And I'm announcing it here. This is the first time anybody's heard of it. How long are you going to live on the punk phone?

This is what I want to ask you. I'm going to send you text messages with nothing but YouTube links. Nothing but links to websites. Auto play videos. I'm going to Rick Roll you. This is sabotage. This is a real question for you coming from your perspective.

How long do I need to do it for to really gather the insight necessary to say, hey, this is how this thing is changing me. I think you should talk to someone who's done it. What you should do is you should have a conversation with Ari Shafir. So he's had a text phone or a flip phone rather for over a year now. Still.

Oh yeah. Yeah. He decided he was an addict and he said, look, I'm not going to change it any other way. I tried to say, we'll just have some discipline. Nope.

Not going to do it. Yeah. Cause I'm an addict. And so he just got a flip phone and that's all he uses. He has a flip phone that flips two ways so you can flip it sideways and actually has a full keyboard. Okay. So he can send a reasonable text message. But that's what he does.

Hmm. Yeah. Talk to him. I mean, some people have told me that in order to do some study, like in order to build a habit, it has to be 30 days. I think it's 90. Oh, shit. That ain't going to happen. You can't do it for 90 days? Dude, what am 90. Oh, shit. That ain't gonna happen. You can't do it

for 90 days? Dude, what am I gonna do on my channel? Would you do it for 30, though? 30 days? 30 was the high end of consideration. I was thinking two weeks. Yeah. Give it a shot. Yeah. I don't know. But for me, it's hard because

it's kind of my business, too. It's different. Well, it's mine as it's kind of my business, too. Right. It's different. Well, it's mine as well. With comedy, I rely heavily on information. I rely, and podcasting as well, I rely really heavily on finding out what's going on in the world, what's the new latest shit that's going down right now. I mean, so many times during this podcast, Jamie will pull something up as the podcast is going on, like breaking news, check this out.

Paris just got attacked, or this just happened. Right. Connor McGregor retired. We gotta end this bitch. We're out of time. Okay. Really? Are we? Oh, we flew by. Three plus hours. What? Yeah, we're over three hours. We win. Dude. See, it's so easy. Like what we were saying before.

It is. Like, it's really harder to end it than it is to just... I mean, it's easy to keep going. Keeping going is the easy part. It's incredible. Lewis from Unbox Therapy, ladies and gentlemen. Enjoy it on YouTube. The most really intensive, like comprehensive breakdowns of technology from a cool dude. Thanks, brother.

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