The Joe Rogan Experience - #806 - Dave Smith

Episode Date: June 6, 2016

Dave Smith is a stand up comedian & host of "Part Of The Problem" podcast on Spotify, and he is also one-third of The Legion of Skanks.

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Thank you It was a welcome surprise You know, not that Ari's podcast is not always awesome. It's always awesome. But I was like, damn, this dude knows a lot of political shit. And you knew about the Hillary Clinton thing with the rape trial that she was involved in. Defending the guy. Well, explain it.

Because it's a fucked up story and I don't want to get it wrong. Okay, so Hillary Clinton, this is way back when she was a criminal defense attorney, she got a child rapist off, and a real bad one. It wasn't one of those good child rapists. It was a really, like, but it was just- Like Jared? Yeah. He's banging 15-year-olds?

Like a nice guy who's making sandwiches. Right. You know, a pillar. Gives you a little extra pickles, you suck his dick. But even, like, well, you know, you know you heard like the way Michael Jackson was Accused of right boy. That was like the nicest way you could rape a kid mmm was like take him to an amusement park Yeah, talk nice on the llama and the monkey Alright child rape is bad. Let me start with horrible the worst thing ever Kanye dick pics good. Yes, I'll break bad

I just want to be clear on where I stand is bad let me start with horrible the worst thing ever kanye dick pics good yes i'll break bad i just want to be clear on where i stand uh but so she so this guy uh um basically raped a 12 year old girl and really brutal the details of the story and she uh defended the guy and there's a there's tape of her in an interview talking about this years later now it's still it's, it's back in the day, it's when Hillary Clinton's doing like a southern accent. There's been like six different Hillary Clintons that have existed. This was the southern wife of Bill Clinton, Hillary. When she was, when he was the mayor or governor of Arkansas back in those days.

So was that early 80s? Yeah, somewhere around that, around that time period. I'm not sure, I'm not sure precisely where the tape is from. Somewhere around that time period. I'm not sure precisely where the tape is from. But she is, I mean, there's a lot of videos I could point to online that's, I think, strong evidence that Hillary Clinton is a sociopath. I'm personally convinced of that. Now, I'm not a professional and I can't diagnose her.

But this video is really up there. I mean, she's laughing about the details of the rape case and how she got the guy off. And she laughs about how funny it is. She basically admits that she knew the guy was guilty. Because she's going like, oh, we convinced the jury. It was a big miscarriage of justice. And she says that he took a

polygraph and passed it. And then she says, that forever destroyed my belief in polygraphs. So she's basically saying, I know this guy raped this little girl, but we were able to get him off. And she laughs about having the bloody underwear as the piece of evidence. I mean, it's really, really intense, intense, awful shit. And what's really crazy about it is that in this world of like, you know, rape culture and social justice warrior, liberal outrage, there is just deafening silence when it comes to the Clintons. Do you think it's a lack of information?

Because most people don't go looking for this stuff for stuff like what you're talking about. Most people have to find it on Fox news and go, what outrageous? They don't go looking for it because there's a lot you'd have to look through. I mean, you'd have to go through all the whitewater stuff. You'd have to go through all that Vince Foster stuff. You'd have to try to find, I mean, there's a lot of like weird stuff about them in their past that you'd have to sort through how much of this is legit, how much isn't. Most people aren't going to do that. And so it's not being discussed. And you have to filter out like the just nonsense because that's the problem with where we're at now is that the truth is out in the internet,

but it's sandwiched in between a whole bunch of nonsense and then you gotta like get that out of the way Yeah, and the conspiracy theories would say that nonsense is there on purpose Yes, that's right because everybody every conspiracy theorist as it turns out when I read more conspiracy theorists It turns out they were just working for the conspiracy. Yeah, and they're against like Alex Jones. They all think now is Trust me Alex is my friend. He's just crazy. There's no CIA involved there. Well, that's a fun thing when you get into stuff that people think is a conspiracy, and then you're like, oh, no, no, no, it's just a crazy guy.

Well, I've heard conspiracies that involve me. And so when I hear that, I go, oh, I see how you are. I've read some shit about me being a CIA agent. Like, yeah, what a circuitous route I took. I went from kickboxing to stand-up comedy, all the while secretly undercover for the CIA. We're going to plant him in news radio, and before you know it, he'll be leading public opinion. Dude, here's an even funnier one. I have a, Eddie Bravo thinks that it's perhaps possible, perhaps, that Laurel Canyon was all about CIA psyops,

It's perhaps possible, perhaps, that Laurel Canyon was all about CIA psyops and Jim Morrison and all these musical – musical? I'm in the middle of saying musicians and musical. Powerful L.A. pot. That they were all a part of some CIA plan to, like, institute the drug movement. Like, I don't even understand the plan. But the idea is all these influential people came out of the this Laurel Canyon area and Jim Morrison's dad was in the CIA And my take is like Jesus Christ, you know how much fucking how busy CIA dads are they're never around for the kid Of course the kid grows up to be Jim Morrison. It's not that like the dad was there influencing him with a fucking

Hypnosis to one of those watches you are going to be the voice of a generation right that's not no one engineer something like that all things being equal it's best to look at the the most simple answer uh right but occam's razor right exactly uh i i do think like i feel like with a lot of those conspiracy theories like my take in on it is like you you have like the government who it's almost like if the government was a person, you could be like, OK, we've got them on murdering these 50 people and we have it cold hard. They clearly did it. And then you're like, yeah, but I heard a rumor that they also murdered another hundred people. Can we just focus on what we know they did?

Right. Like we're slaughtering people in the Middle East. We don't need to make up all this other nonsense just to make it like more sellable. Well, it's this idea that we're being controlled. That's the one that's the, that's the overlying theme, I guess. Or the over, it's, if you look at like all of the conspiracies, whether they're chem trails or whether, it's all about like engineering. Like global warming. It's like geoengineering. There's all this whether it's all about like engineering like global warming it's like Geoengineering there's all this it's all about engineering friends. It's all about people that are worried about eugenics

They want like Alex Jones says they want to kill five They want to leave five hundred million people worldwide or something like that like this fucking number Is it like whoa whoa whoa whoa are they gonna be Like, do they know what the fuck they're doing? Like, you really think that this is a plan to kill everyone except half a million? Look, I do think there's some really shady plans that are up there at the top. I think what they get wrong sometimes is they think that everything that's happening was actually controlled from the top. I think there's plans that people in, like, the Bilderberg group is real. That exists. That's out there. And I think they do want to control the top. I think there's plans that people in, like the Bilderberg group is real, that exists, that's out there.

And I think they do want to control the world, but I think more often than not, they have like ten things they want to do. Some of them work out, some of them don't. Then they roll with the punches on that. Then they try to change things from there. It's not as perfect as like everything they did

worked out perfectly and was. But, you know, it's a little easier it's it's more it's more of a fun story if they're just an ultimate control of every now well then they you have that number the 500 million number like why is how do you know that number specific this is what I heard 500 million oh I wonder if I'd make the cut but I do thinking about all the billions of people and 500 million is not that much if you think about 7 billion. They're probably going to kill all the Indians. You start to think whether you could make the cut.

Am I top 500 million? I'm up there. You just start thinking if they're going to leave 500 million people in the planet. There's room. There's some wiggle room there. Okay, you're going to need like 60 comedians. Do you want to get in, though? I mean, what are they going to do with all those bodies?

What are they going to do with all those bodies? What are they going to do with six and a half billion bodies? How bad is the earth going to smell for like a month? Right? Yeah, that's a good point. It's a very good point. Have these guys thought this through? I don't think they thought. Well, not only that, what if you kill the wrong people?

What if the people that you kill were going to figure out a way to cure cancer or get us to Mars? You just can't. But that's why believing, which is a much more common belief out of the conspiracy thing, but believing that population's a problem is crazy because like you said, you never know when that, you know, they'll like environmentalists, they'll be like, well, if we have too many people and there's too big a carbon footprint, but you're like, yeah, except until we have the one person who figures out how to save all of us. And then that got, you know.

You need a bunch of people to get that. You don't get that in a village with log cabins. That's right. They don't figure out how to fix the of us. Right. And then that got, you know. You need a bunch of people to get that. You don't get that in a village with log cabins. That's right. They don't figure out how to fix the world. They just don't. You need millions of people. They need to live in cities. Food needs to be delivered to them.

They need to be safe. And then they can come up with ideas. This thing is a game of numbers. You have mad, mad numbers, man. We got to throw a lot. But, oh, I did want to address what you asked before. L.A. pot is powerful. Powerful, right? But what you said before, when you're talking about the stuff with the clinton uh tape and you said

why uh why you know is it that people are they need to find the information i think there is some of that right because say if if they made this a story on the news like if every day they were playing they it's amazing the power the media has to choose what story we're going to make the story and what story will maybe get mentioned here and then fall and fade into obscurity. So they could, the media could make that a story that everyone has to deal with. But I've found there's a lot of denial. Like when I talk to liberals or Hillary supporters and I'll bring that stuff up And there's a lot of like, yeah, well, whatever. Exactly. Like, whatever.

But the same people who are like, we live in a rape culture and we'll go after like Tosh for making a joke in bad taste. And then you're like, well, here's this woman laughing about getting a child rapist off. Forget some abstract contributing to rape culture. Contributing to rape culture. Getting a rapist who would have gone to jail back out onto the streets and now so it's like to me a mix of the media doesn't do their job and then people are also kind of in denial well people are intensely tribal intensely tribal

in their support for brands you know forget about political parties political parties oftentimes like the most tribal i mean i follow people that all they do is mock liberals online and then i follow other people where all they do is mock conservatives and god they're so similar oh they're so similar fucking people there's atheism and then there's these people that are super religious there's all this god christian stuff on the right and then on the left it's like atheism is their God. And I don't mean it in their God as like it's an actual religion of their fault. I mean, you almost kind of have to be in that group to be on that side. It's this weird thing that's going on where you've got people that are subscribing

to atheism. Nothing wrong with atheism. It's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, God is, it's so universal on the left that it seems to me to be a trait that you attribute with this tribe. Like almost like you have to accept this trait. Right. And then I, I think, and I guess that's maybe a criticism I have of, uh,

like Sam Harris. And that's, I know you had him on your show recently, but I think a lot of those guys who got themselves like in this camp of where the atheists were the ones committed to rational thought, and religion is terrible, and now they'll look at things like the wars in the Middle East, and it just seems like, to me, it seems like they have a tendency to always try to blame the religiously motivated violence, because I think they've kind of got themselves on team anti-religion.

We're on team atheist. So the Muslims have to be worse than the American military because they're the religious ones. We're like sophisticated and advanced. And everything about the U.S. military is built on like science and reason and thought. And these are crazy Muslims who are just maniacs. So we have to blame them. Even though if you look at the numbers of dead, it's pretty staggeringly one-sided. Like we're murdering them.

Not only that, we're also in where they live. So that has to be taken into account. Well, we had to get there. We had to go there. I understand. But let's just look at the actual facts. Let's not cast any judgments. Let's look at the facts.

We are where they live. We don't speak their language. We come in in mass, and we kill a fuckload more people than they do. And a good percentage of the people that are in the military christian yes very decent size a very a very big percentage and then a very big percentage of like the hardcore supporters the people like who are really hardcore the evangelical base that voted for george w bush a big part of that support is this goofy religious belief that uh we need to be pro-Israel because the Jews need to be in Israel. And that's what then Jesus can come back for us. And if some Muslims got to get slaughtered in the process, well, this is how it's supposed to go.

So we got to protect that. There's a lot of that weird shit on our side as well. A lot of weird old Southern money that goes into that yeah there's a great vice piece on those people there's a great vice piece where they um i forget you know vice has so many of those online shows that are awesome it's hard to know which one it was but they went with these people to israel these crazy evangelicals were going back to the motherland and it's like they were like well this is where jesus is going to camp you know this is where we're going to set up his fire here and he'll pull his trailer in right here. It was almost like that in his head.

He was setting up. I got two Budweiser's, one for me, one for Jesus, when he gets here. Weird. Weird. But if you're on the right, like even Gavin McInnes, who I love. I love Gavin. Love Gavin. Gavin's a bright, bright guy. But he's also a Catholic.

And he became a Catholic late in life. So I'm like, what are you doing? What is this? It's almost like you have to be a part of something that's religious to get in on the right side. Like Glenn Beck became a Mormon when he was like 50. Like, hey, dude, come on. Did you even read it? Did you read any of the history about Joseph Smith

being 14 when he made all this shit up and the magic seer stone that he had to use to read the golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus that only he could read with his rock? I'm torn between whether I hate Mormonism for that or I love them for that. I'm like, hey, if we're gonna bullshit, let's

just go bullshit. Like, yeah, Jesus lived in Kansas. I don't know. He was friends with my grandpa. Why not? Well, the American Indians were actually from Israel. That was another one of his, that this guy spent a ton of money. You know, we were talking when Sam was here the other day, we were talking about how 15 years ago it was like billions of dollars to get your genome mapped.

Now it's like a couple thousand bucks. And we were talking about how crazy that is. Like, what an insane leap well a few years back is one of the before it became that cheap some dude spent a fuck ton of money it was a mormon to try to prove that the mormon scriptures were in fact correct and the american indians did come but we learned from that actually it's actually wound up being good for science because this guy spent so much money who realized no they actually came from siberia so it reinforces the idea of them crossing the landmass the bering strait and and coming into america from asia so they are siberian like it's it's interesting like the the the merge or the um the movement migration of people from asia

to north america and down into mexico and it's really fucking cool when you find out that it's not that long ago. You know? A few thousand years. You know? At the most, 20. You know, whatever it was. Like, during the Ice Age. It's not that long ago, man.

It's crazy. History is a weird thing like that. Like, even when we talk about things, you know, you'd be like, World War II. World War II was like that long ago. Yeah. It was like your grandfather was there. Like, that's just happened. Just happened historically.

Yeah. Vietnam. And how about Vietnam? There's one that this conspiracy theories can really grab a hold of. The Gulf of Tonkin. But that's my point from before. It's like, why are we even wasting our time with anything else? Let's grab that one and hold on to that one. That was bullshit.

We know that was bullshit. Tens of thousands of Americans died in that war war let alone how many Vietnamese we just slaughtered It's like mass slaughter that people made billions off of that was bullshit bullshit Bullshit, you don't need anymore like a flag attack. Yeah, if you look it up folks I mean if you're listening this going what you're sitting on your porch in Georgia with your lemonade hating black people just go online You're sitting on your porch in Georgia with your lemonade, hating black people. Just go online. And it's fun.

I get it. Who doesn't want to sit on their porch with lemonade and hate black people? I know I do. If you really do read that story, it's horrific. And then you realize, oh, well, this was, deception was the rule of the land at that time. This was when they had the Operation Northwoods thing that had been passed. And if you haven't seen that document, that's crazy. This was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and then vetoed by Kennedy, where they were going to attack American civilians. They were going to bomb Guantanamo Bay.

They were going to arm Cuban friendlies, and they were going to give them weapons to attack Guantanamo Bay. They were going to blow a drone jetliner out of the sky, blame it on Castro, and wind up killing a ton of people. And they were doing it all just to get support of this idea of attacking Cuba. So they were going to pretend that all these people died. Could they take off in a plane back then? I'm not sure where the drone technology was at, but this was the plan. I mean, it was a plan that I think Kennedy himself had to not sign off on or whatever.

And, you know, they took care of him quickly. Allegedly. That's the other conspiracy, right? Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone seems to me to be even a dumber conspiracy than there was a bunch of people involved killing that guy. I couldn't agree with you more on that one. But it's just the Northwood thing is just a fascinating, you know, glimpse into the mindset of the people who are on the inside, who really do view the world as pawns on a chessboard.

And if, you know, if a lie is what it took to get the geopolitical result that they wanted and some Americans had to die or whatever That's not a big deal And and I think people should be aware of that like anyone a lot of times like you were talking about getting in the team Mentality people kind of have this team mentality and they're like well They don't you know if someone's willing to just slaughter people in a third world country to make their buddies rich I'd be careful with them around your kids, too You know like they're probably looking at everybody like they're pawns on a board, not just those guys. Yeah. I think people learn really quickly how to disassociate. They learn how to not think about that, especially when you're using

like drone technology and stuff, you're flying a robot and shooting missiles out of a robot and you're watching it all on a screen. How easy is it to distance yourself from that? If you're the person, not even who's pushing the button, but who gave the order to give the okay. You know, and when I talked to, I had Mike Baker on here, was a former CIA operator. Yeah, I've been on a few Fox News shows with him. He told me all that stuff is done by lawyers. They all decide, like, can we do this?

Can we do this? And the lawyers sit down, they hash it out, and they give them the green light or the red light. I'm like, whoa, that is fucking dark. When you're leaving military matters and whether or not you attack with a flying robot to lawyers, arguably the most heartless creatures we've ever created in our capitalist society. Well, that's who, and by the way, that's who's running government, right? That's what Hillary Clinton is.

That's what Hillary Clinton is, what Obama is, what Michelle Obama is, what Bill Clinton was. I mean, that's what they all are. They're all lawyers. Not to say there's not great lawyers. There's awesome people out there that are lawyers. That's not what I'm saying. But even if you're an awesome person that's a lawyer, you fucking know some psychos.

Let me tell you, the awesome person who's a lawyer is the most adamant, like, do not put lawyers in charge. Dear God. That's like, look, I'm a comedian. But if you were like, should comedians be in charge? I would be like, Jesus, no. We won't make it through this podcast. Yeah, they shouldn't be in charge of anything. Even comedy we comedians be in charge, I would be like Jesus. No, we won't we won't make it through this podcast Yeah, they shouldn't be in charge of anything. So yeah, even comedy. We shouldn't be in charge

Yeah, exactly can't be right because then you get like these alt rooms. They get mad at you if you talk loud But I like when people are in charge of anything they fuck. Oh, yeah, but you're talking about the drone wars There's this guy's brilliant historian historian tom woods i don't know if you've heard of him he's got a great podcast he's incredible this guy like the to me like maybe like the smartest libertarian voice out there what's his podcast called it's called the tom woods show oh uh yeah you should you would love him i think uh he would be great on i didn't know he had a podcast yeah he's got a podcast he's just a brilliant historian he he nails all this stuff but he uses this analogy and I love it

He just goes so imagine we we used the drone campaign like imagine we we fought crime that way So, you know imagine there'd be like someone was like, uh, so we've got two suspected Criminals at a wedding in In you know, California somewhere I guess so the plan is we're gonna bomb the wedding i mean wouldn't everybody just be like whoa that's not okay you can't do that because there's there's innocent human life there uh but literally that's just how we conduct the war in the middle east yeah but they don't it's sort of disingenuous because they don't know it's a wedding they just

see a group of people gathered and then they know the dickhead's in there and they want to blow them up. And then it turns out to be a wedding and we're like, oh shit. Okay. So still put that in the analogy. It's fucked up. Say that's how we fought crime. Here we go.

Well, we just follow the metadata on your cell phones and wherever you happen to be, we're going to blow that place up. Yeah. That's what's important to point out too, is that they're shooting at phones. They don't even have a visual ID on the person. They find where the phone is. They do the find my iPhone feature with the eye in the sky. And then they launch an aptly named Hellfire missile at it.

That's dark, too. They have cool nicknames for their missiles. Hellfire. Oh, dude, they do all this shit. Although, like, you see, like, the Operation names. It's always like Operation Kick-Ass. Desert Shield. Desert Storm. Desert Shield. Jesus Christ. Just fucking 18-year-olds

blasting ACDC rolling through some fucking town. It's like, Jesus. Well, have you ever seen those pieces that they've done on those kids that were involved in operating those tanks that would listen to metal? I mean, that's bizarre, too. You're letting these kids get jacked up on metal, and who knows what else you let them have.

They probably let them have amphetamines. They definitely let them have steroids. They give steroids to soldiers. That's common shit. Yeah, and there's a reason they prefer an 18 year old to a 30 year old Yeah, there's a reason they prefer you know someone who's still in just as good fighting shape or what you know essentially But they but when you're 18 you're you're in a different place your levels are at a different place And you're your willingness to follow orders. Yeah, I think as much is in a different place

Well you we're all essentially like You know older people being wiser if they've had enough experiences, but we're all gathering experiences, gathering experiences and then calculating, trying to figure out, okay, why did that go wrong? Well, what is that? Oh, here's that fucking thing again. Oh, here's this. Oh, I see how it goes. You know, that's why as people get older, they get less and less tolerant of certain things because they see these things over and over and over again and they recognize these patterns. And you get more confident in your assertion of that pattern,

because you're like, I've seen this bullshit six times now. I know. And it works that way with politics, too. That's the common expression about radicals in college. Show me a young man who's not a liberal, and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old man who's not a conservative, and I'll show you a man without a brain. Because after a while, you go, oh, I see. And it's not black and white when it comes to that issue but when

you're you're dealing with something that you know a human being that gathers up this data when you're 18 what do you got a couple fucking birthday parties you remember the first time you got your dick sucked was only six months ago like what do you remember what do you what do you have to base on what do you what do you know movies you watch lot of movies? That's probably what they're basing it on. They think their life's going to be some fucking Tom Hanks movie. They're going to come back and cry to their kids when they're younger, when they're older, rather, about, you know, I served

in the war, served my country, did my country proud. Now, you might go home with no legs. Like, you're in a crazy situation where you're killing people you don't know because someone you don't know told you you're supposed to kill people you don't know. And a lot of them figure it out. It's just they figure it out when they see that real shit that you're talking about.

Because, you know, there is also, that's another thing that's very, very downplayed, but should have been maybe the biggest story in, at least one of the biggest stories in the last 10 years, was that Ron Paul in the 2008 run and in the 2012 run, both runs, he got more money, more donations from active duty military people than all of the other candidates. He got more than all the Republican candidates combined in 2012. And he outraised Barack Obama both times. military in the military who see through this bullshit and we're very happy to have like the only i mean ron paul to me is like the only politician on a presidential level in recent memory who has been unapologetically anti-war and not just not just like this hasn't worked like this is a bullshit racket and we started it yeah yeah when you get that many active military

on your side you really have to really think, these are the people that are dealing with this issue. It's a part of their life. It affects their families, it affects their friends, their loved ones, all the people they serve with. The whole thing is, it's so hard to believe that they've been able to keep this going for so long. this war against terrorism is one of the most devious things because whether or not terrorism exists it certainly does whether or not we have to combat terrorism we certainly do whether or not we have to take measures to ensure the safety of the people we definitely do 100 but there's something really suspicious about an unnamed enemy or an unseen enemy or an enemy that's just terrorism it's like a it's like herpes just floating through all these parts of the world like you don't even have a we don't there's not even a country with a leader anymore like now it's just terrorism well it works out pretty great if you're like a weapons company that's making more money than ever or if you if you wanted to keep

this military budget you know i mean uh uh the you know people were liberals were all outraged over george w Bush's military budgets, and Obama greatly expanded those. And so, yeah, if you're making tons of money off it, it works out great to have kind of this vague concept that we're fighting a war against. I do think terrorism, obviously, like you said, exists. I think terrorism, as Pat Buchanan said, is the price of empire. And it kind of always has been.

And this is what we're going to be dealing with as long as we want to have an empire in the middle east right but now it's not it's not like a one particular enemy it's this vague threat of attacks by irrational people and then you see them scattered throughout the world and other places where they don't have the kind of security that we do right so it reinforces idea our idea that the tsa is important and you got to get through that line and you got to be nice to these people. Even though they failed on like 95%. Did you see that test? They failed 95% of the fake knives and bombs.

These are all getting in. They're just feeling up old people. Yeah, they felt me up the other day. Did they? Dude, check my dick. Dude, check my dick. Happened to me. With the back of his hand, he had to go up to both sides of my dick.

Did he give you the nice explanation about how he's going to do it? Sir, we're going to feel with the back of his hand, he had to go up to both sides of my dick. Did he give you the nice explanation about how he's going to do it? Sir, we're going to feel with the back of our hand. The guy who did it to me, and like I said earlier, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but when they're like, you've been randomly selected for additional screening, inside I'm like, it was that last podcast, huh? I hit something. Is that what you think? No.

I was trying to think of some gay stuff. You know what he said to me? What? How weird is this? Nice package, bro. He goes, no, that would be more uncomfortable. But he said before he did it, I don't know if the guy said it to you, what he said to me what how weird is this package bro he goes uh no that would be that would be more uncomfortable but he said before he did it i don't know if the guy said it to you but he goes uh if you want we can bring you to a private room for this yeah they did say that i was like dude we're gonna do this right here right now i want to do this in a private room

yeah you're gonna play george michael music yeah it's um i don't know i mean but it's so convenient that they need the kind of security that the NSA was trying to get, or the kind of, not security, but the kind of invasion of privacy that the NSA was doing with monitoring your metadata and the ability to check all your emails. And the fact that what Snowden exposed was kind of everybody's worst fear about all this stuff, was that one day we're going to get to a point where they're recording everything, and you're always going to be scared to speak your mind in private, in public, with your friends, because you

think they could always hear, and if there's certain key things that you say that upset them, well, they could just target you. They were talking about people in the NSA were actively targeting their ex's email accounts. Oh, yeah. And reading their ex's emails. This is just, of course it's going to happen. Of course. It's human beings.

You know, a friend of mine worked at a bank, and he told me how they had a big problem with people checking on celebrities' accounts, checking on other people, other friends of theirs' accounts. It's human nature. I think, personally, I think the biggest thing that Snowden exposed, more so than any particular program, was that he exposed that that guy Clapper said, you know, Clapper was, I think, just six months, a year before Snowden released those files through Glenn Greenwald at The Guardian. He, before a congressional hearing, goes, there is no bulk mass data collection. And that's what's amazing about what Snowden showed you. That they will, just understand that, they will lie through their fucking teeth to you.

They're liars. They're not misguided, or they don't know what's happening. They're telling you what they think you need to know so they can get away with their bullshit. And that, to me, is a very important thing for people to realize. Well, that's the real insidious problem with the us versus them idea is that they're just people too. So you've people that are operating these mass surveillance programs on other people. There's nothing like, there's nothing essentially noble about them. They haven't passed any tests.

They haven't shown themselves to be some people that are devoid of jealousy and pettiness and clear thought always. And they're just the smartest people we know. So we give them this position because they're like the knights of the watch. Well, right. You just go, oh, the wise overlords. They will watch us. They will protect us. You know, I was arguing with, what's his name, who you brought up, Baker.

I was on a panel with him on a Fox News show. And we were talking about it was the Apple versus the FBI thing, which I guess is still going on. So I was kind of siding with Apple, and he was siding with the FBI. And I remember Baker said to me, he was like, Dave, what are you worried? Are you worried they're going to be checking your emails or checking your, you know, like that kind of attitude. And I was like, the FBI was spying on civil rights leaders, but being run by a cross-dressing maniac. Like, yeah, I don't trust these people are going to, I don't trust those people any more than I trust any group of people. Yeah. The fact that they think that that organization has been cleaned up,

like how much J Edgar Hoover and what they did during the well it's coming out now more it's really interesting the stories that are coming out now about how the war on drugs was a big part of their plan to try to break down the civil rights movement and break down these anti-war protesters because it's one thing they shared in common they were all doing drugs so they said okay this we'll just have a fucking crazy war on drugs and we just go in and get these people they're going to be okay, we'll just have a fucking crazy war on drugs, and we'll just go in and get these people. They're going to be smoking pot. We'll just arrest the shit out of them and just break up everything.

And they really did. And it's brilliant in terms of, like, strategy if you're going to go after your enemies. I mean, it's a great way to do it. But we're still suffering the consequences of Nixon's actions from J. Edgar Hoover's guidance. I mean, that was all – that's the whole pile that that was operating under. J. Edgar Hoover's guidance. I mean that was all that's the whole pile that that was operating under Yeah, and then you get this whole like it spawns this whole system of mass incarceration and private prisons and this whole nightmare J. Edgar Hoover was awesome though. You gotta love a badass who's wearing a dress like Cross-dressing banging dudes keeping secrets and it's not like doing that today when it's cool

He was doing this in a time when like if it came out people would be just I mean you're ruined Well, that was how he kept it all under wraps He the reason that guy was so into getting into other people's shit because he had so much shit to expose He's like why I can't let this get out. I got to be proactive I just got to gather up data on everybody. Fuck Elvis. Fuck, you know, Jimmy Page. Yeah, but I just went after everybody. I also think that there's something inherently like if you're in the cross-dressing banging dude scene. Yeah. You're going to meet other people with dirt too.

That's true. So like, you know, the other guy who you're like, hey, look, we both know we're in that scene together. So you keep your mouth shut. That's true too. But I was like, that's one of those things where people always say that if you are with a partner that part partner all of a sudden Starts getting like crazy irrationally jealous. It's probably because they're doing something sneaky Yeah, you know and what he was doing was sort of that he was J Edgar Hoover was a fucking maniac And he was in charge of the FBI. I mean he was just a bona fide insane person

But but like you said it's like who's to say they're cleaned up I think we always have this this like idea that we get comfortable with the fucked up shit in the past so we're like oh this was so fucked up but now it's not like that or anything you know we we love to look back at slavery or look back at jim crow or look back at something oh what were these people thinking but if you look at i mean mass incarceration for non-violent crimes or mass slaughter in the middle east or any of the stuff that these people believe me, if if all the details of what's going on came out in 20 years, we're going to have the same attitude in 20 years. I'm fucked up shit going on in 2016.

Well, you know, it's interesting to me. There's even tribalism in the government, like the CIA and the FBI. Oh, yeah. Get along, which is how what's his name general the guy who got busted for cheating on his wife Petraeus Petraeus that's how Petraeus got caught the FBI was going after the CIA so not only that but

that's craziness so Dianne Feinstein who is the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee okay so they're tasked with overseeing the CIA she came out and said that the CIA is spying on them. I don't know exactly how they figured it out, but she came out and said, so the CIA is spying. But yeah, this doesn't get big story on the news.

So the CIA is spying on the people who oversee the CIA? Yes, supposedly. Whoa. We have no clue. Rand Paul came out and said something along the lines of he was like, we don't even know who's running this thing when it comes to government. So I think the thing that libertarians. Rand Paul said that? Yeah.

He said this like a year and a half ago when he was still doing well. He actually should know. That's why that's a scary thing. Like he actually should. He's probably talking to people. But there's also this weird thing where, look, I don't know exactly how it works, but there's this weird thing where they'll tell you stuff, but then you can't talk about it to anyone if it's classified. So there's actually congressmen who don't want the classified information because they want to be able to say whatever they want to be able to say. It's a whole clusterfuck.

But I think this is one of the things that libertarians, at least the type of libertarian that I am, like that school of thought, it really tries to emphasize, just don't look at government as if it's a different entity from humanity. We're all people. So it's like you were saying before, like the CIA and the FBI, they're not one monolith. It's different power sources, different groups of people. And yeah, of course, they all are incentivized the way people are. And they're a corporation like any other business where there's a bunch of people that are backstabbing each other trying to get to the top of the ladder.

So they're fucking each other over inside the tribe. There's a lot of that going on. It's a fucking weird world, man. When you hear someone like Rand Paul saying, we don't know who's running this thing, that's the government. The whole government of the United States he's talking about. He's talking about the strings behind the strings and we don't know who's running it. Well, I mean, you see this, this, it's very interesting when you hear like, uh, like Hillary Clinton, it came out in one of these, uh, in one of her last batch of emails that, that got like released. It was

like her and her team were bragging about how she had convinced obama to go ahead with regime change in libya and it's like and it's like and then gates comes out and writes his book and he's like look i was against it hillary was for so it's it's just this fucking like you convinced a guy and now this country is fucked well she and all, yeah, and well, also, I'm sure you saw the time where she was being interviewed and she was laughing about Gaddafi dying. We came, we saw, he died. When I said there's video evidence

of her being a sociopath, I understand. Gaddafi didn't just die right before that. It's not just that you're talking about a human being who died, okay? Gaddafi died the way that dictators fear. You die. His people got a hold of him and beat him and sodomized him to death. He got like, I mean, it's about as disturbing as it could be.

What? Again, back to her laughing about getting the child rapist off. Then a few days later, she's just cackling it up. There's a video of a guy stabbing him in the asshole. I mean, it's insane. You've seen that, right? He takes that knife and he shoves it in his ass. Yeah while they're talking to him and Qaddafi so fucked up He doesn't even know what's happening. He's like in a state of like shock or something There's a knife in his ass all these people have a hold of them. They're all yelling Allah walk bar

Yeah, it's that's that's a bad way to go. It's a crazy way to go. I wonder if that guy with the knife in his ass, I wonder if that'll be like, you know, the Iwo Jima statue? They plant the flag. They'll make a statue of the one guy with a knife up Gaddafi's ass. That knife is over his fireplace right now. In his neighborhood, that'll be his monument I mean it's my uncle he stopped got off in the ass There's a video on YouTube short mama, and she puts it on the big screen everybody watches it. Yes

You want to close in their ears and bombs are going off the background Because Libby is even more fucked up now than it was then like that regime change was terrible for the people who live there Oh, it's not even you know I think we lose sight of it sometimes when you'd be like, you know, it's like, oh, well, they're always fucked up. So it's a little bit more fucked up. But Libya was, by regional standards, one of the better places to be in the Middle East. And it is now, I mean, a failed state. It's, I mean, it's just run by thugs and terrorist organizations.

It's a nightmare. Yeah, it's a breeding ground for ISIS now. Yeah, ISIS is all over the place there now. She's weird. She's weird because she gets all these free passes because she's a woman. It's very strange. Because that's a giant part of why people want to support her.

It's almost like, you know, we got one of ours in. You know, we're going to get one of ours in. Like, my wife wants to vote for her because she's a woman. I go, have you ever paid attention to what a cunt she is have you really read into allegedly i should say mr clinton i'm intoxicated i'm not the alleged things i'm saying i don't mean it i'm saying all this for humor she's i mean she's not the woman you want that's not what you're looking for you she's not a scholar. She's not a wise woman who's got some really kind words to say. She's a lifelong career politician.

And like you said, and that always, I mean, if you talk to any Hillary supporter, it is only, sometimes it's not the first thing they say, but if you give, like,

give me three reasons why you want Hillary Clinton in there. One of them has to do with her being a woman. Yeah. I think it'd be great to see a woman do it for a change. But it's like,

dude, and by the way, that's what she runs on. She runs on women's issues. She plays that card all the time. I mean, she said like when Donald Trump called her on that, she was like, if I'm accused of playing the woman's card, deal me in. And that's her cadence, by the way.

It's just always this. Not as annoying. You need to be a little more annoying. No, just not the pitch. I don't have the pitch down. She's substitute having no charisma with just volume. She's like, if I go louder, maybe that's charismatic. She doesn't just have no charisma.

She's oddly transparent in her creepiness. When she's doing these debates and Bernie Sanders is calling her out on taking all that money from the banks and how she does these speeches for a quarter million dollars and he'd like to read the transcripts. She's just sitting there while he's doing that. Just like this weird, like seething anger. Oh, you know, she's smiling on the outside, but you know, deep down she could fucking kill you. Like, yeah, she's going over her preparation because they prepped her for this.

So, you know, it comes out in this weird sort of robotic aikido move where she's trying to push it to the side like it's a fucking thug in a steven seagal movie it's weird man she doesn't really answer it it's it's it's in a way it's the only thing that i find a positive about hillary clinton is that you can constantly you can see through her and you can point to that shit and other people and go but see how she's full of shit but how about for the woman card thing just the fact that she's been taking like tens of millions of dollars from the Saudi government something like

a hundred million dollars from Muslim dictatorships how can you run on the women's issue it's like being a Jew running on Jewish issues and you do business with the Nazis so she takes this money and does what with it well they take it for the Clinton, which is like her and Bill and Chelsea's foundation. And they do all these projects.

And it's all kind of in the name of charity, in the name of philanthropy. But it's pretty clearly like the Saudis aren't giving tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation because they all of a sudden decided to be really good people. They're doing it because they know the Clintons wield a lot of a sudden decided to be really good people. They're doing it because they know the Clintons wield a lot of influence and this is their way of giving them money. And the Clintons can use that as leverage to justify their association with them because look all the good it does. Yeah, they can point to the good stuff. But in the meantime, they can also do all these projects and lots of different companies

can make money off these projects. And then they get in and we have this creepy business relationship with Saudi Arabia, who is the worst of the worst. Like all the shit that we, you know, I love when the war machine, whenever there's a war they want, they get real humanitarian all of a sudden. Like when Obama wanted to go back into Iraq or when he wanted to go into Syria, it's like, oh, these people are getting gassed. Or, you know. There's a few hundred Yazidis up on the top of a mountain and they could die. But when Saudi Arabia is slaughtering their own people, when

Saddam was gassing people and we liked him, that was fine. It's only when you're on the wrong side of whatever business deal we have going on. All of a sudden, they're like, but think of the people. All of a sudden, John McCain cares about Muslim people. He stops playing poker. He's playing poker on his phone.

Wait, hold on. Let me put this down for a moment. Talk about the people. Yeah, it's a little suspicious. Well, it's less suspicious now, I guess, than it was in the 1960s and the 1950s, probably before that was even more fuckery going on. But it seems like it's more and more difficult

to pull off the really obvious Operation Northwoods type shit. Like, the transparency that we're enjoying today, even though there's still a lot of questions, like what Jeb Bush or what Rand Paul was saying, like we really have no idea who's running the whole thing at the very top, it seems like that's going to be exposed too eventually. It's all going to get chipped away, because information just travels way quicker now than it ever did before.

And it's just too hard to hide shit. You know, it's like that's that force is on their side, too, though. Like we have that force of like information can spread, but they also have the predator drones. the 50s or whatever could have just had the option to say bomb you know right yemen syria uh libya and pakistan and all these different countries without sending troops there or having bases nearby so you know we have advantages they have advantages yeah but it's all what i was going to get out is that what's interesting is what we're seeing now from the like the nsa gathering data on everybody saying we need it to keep everybody safe, it almost mirrors what J. Edgar Hoover was doing. Because J. Edgar Hoover had all that dirt on him, and so to hide it, he just went after

everybody else, keep everybody quiet, keep everybody scared. That means you could make that same comparison to this strategy the NSA has employed. Look, we'll just fucking monitor everything. And then if I say, oh, this Dave guy's been talking a lot of shit. Let's check his emails. Oh, it's going to go bad. Oh, look at all this. I was joking.

I just want to say already I was joking. But you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's an insidious sort of device that they can use to keep you quiet. Well, how about the fact that, you know, in 20 years, right, if there's some leader who's coming up who's a would-be, some type of great leader, they're going to have grown up just entirely in the internet age. If you have all of their metadata history, you have everything on that person. And then they can literally just go like, we want to ruin that guy. And everybody's got something that could be an issue you could insert into a campaign to ruin them.

If you don't, you're boring. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And then I don't want you president anyway. If they can't ruin you by checking your emails, then I don't even want you. That's a great way to put it. If, if you can't be ruined, I don't want you to be my leader. Who are you?

You fucking weirdo. You pious weirdo from birth. Yeah. It's like, you've just been clean, like going like, I'll get power someday as long as I don't fuck up at all. Oh, she looks pretty, but stay hungry. We taught him while he was in his crib. Keep your cards close to your chest, Donnie.

But that's like the thing where they say that about George Washington. They try to make him out to be such a great writer. His father was like, did you cut down that cherry tree? And he was like, father, I can't tell a lie. Like, what type of fucking creep was George Washington? Or maybe he had a really open relationship with his dad. Or just a dad who loved him. His dad was really cool and he knew.

Hey, man, somebody chopped the tree down. You got blisters in your hand. What the fuck's going on, bro? Maybe there's just really compelling evidence. Or maybe that never fucking happened. You know, that's the other thing. Or maybe more likely. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, all these stories that you get from the 1600s. Like, come on, man, those were barely people. Those were monkeys with clothes on. They barely knew how to write. And historians like to tell it as if they know for a fact what happened, rather than just being like, hey, here's a nice guess at what maybe happened. They'll be like, he thought about going left, but then he went right. Yeah, what?

Yeah. Yeah, I've always wondered if one day they'll be able to create a computer that's so powerful that it will and try to figure out, well, all these things got into place because of these events and these motions and be able to recreate it digitally. It sounds ridiculous right now, but if we can get to a place where they can literally do an account of everything that's happened, everything, every pebble that's on this earth and go, you know what? We can extrapolate. We can take all this data

follow it for a short amount of time and then within the 99% accuracy go back in time and recreate events like that sounds so stupid and ridiculous but that might be like almost a method of a virtual time travel like just super calculation just take into account all the things that we do know, all the pieces that are in place right now, everything that's there, all the people that are there and then figure out how they got there. Account for all factors.

Yeah. Account for everything. Massive, super calculations, impossible for the human mind to even conceive of. And then boom, they have a digital recreation of George Washington, fucking his sister and lying about the cherry tree. was full of shit the whole time black people on fire

whoa george washington was a piece of shit oh allegedly i don't mean that allegedly alleging cunt george washington allegedly piece of shit be incredible i mean if they could literally get to a position where they could do a calculation that's so complete that they could feed it into some sort of a, you know, someday created virtual reality machine that will give you like a version of that. You can go back and watch the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. If humans can manage to not like destroy ourselves or we don't have some asteroid reset or something like that, we're going to do magical shit like that i'm sure i mean we're on we're already doing magic compared to what we could do 100 years ago so i mean we're gonna it's the thing is you could never predict what it would be exactly like you can never stand back and you know you can't stand back in the year like 1850 and gonna be like it'll be metal machines running on dinosaur juice you know like you just wouldn't

know but uh we'll be doing some magical shit well sam harris was talking about it and it was freaking me out because he was talking about the power that computers are going to have once they once artificial intelligence becomes sentient the power that they're going to have to improve upon themselves and how quickly that's going to take place where thousands of years of progress is going to take place in a week. And you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? And then it's just from there, each time they improve, it improves exponentially. Thousands more years, maybe in an hour.

Thousands more years in a couple of seconds. It's just going to get to some insane place where you're saying, they're reasonably certain that one day we'll have a machine. It's like an atom machine that you could shoot out into the universe and given an amount of time extracting all the building materials and needs from the sky it'll make a planet it'll make a planet and inhabit that planet with intelligent life and then we can go there and it'll be like Miami in the sky we'll go there they'll be I mean literally you could create anything like we might already be living in it

We know this is how we all got here That's even one of Elon Musk's more recent talks he talked about that But a lot of people have been saying that for a long time that it's it's potentially possible that one day We're going to have an artificial reality. That's in this indecipherable you or or in you can't tell the difference between What is fake and what is real. You will not be able to distinguish it. It will be so good that it will be just like life.

So if that's the case, how do you know that you're not already in it? Right. You don't. And it's all mumbo-jumbo right now unless you think that it could have already happened. Then it's not mumbo-jumbo. And if Harris is right, the real problem with that, and this is not even his idea, this is all these people that are really at the forefront of all this technology, we're not going to be.

But something is going to be a god. I mean, it literally is going to be able to create worlds. It's potentially possible that one day they're going to have something that could create a universe. Yeah, I mean, look, I think there's an argument that that's how we're created. I mean, we're here. Like, we are here. We do exist. And truthfully, in the reductionist, atheist, scientific way of looking at it,

there's no good reason for that. But of course there is. See, I don't buy that. Because the universe is filled with magical shit. Like, why wouldn't people be here? Like, look at look at supernovas look at black holes absorbing galaxies look at i mean look at solar storms look at flares look at this fucking ball of fire that's in the sky that's a million times bigger than us why is

it so weird that people exist the whole thing is fucking madness well that's well that's i guess yeah i agree with you i'm just saying the whole thing is magical already. So what's the, what's, you know, it's more humans, more magic. We're not any more magic than everything that's already out there. How about the big bang? The whole thing is based on magic. Yeah. The whole universe, something being created from nothing, smaller than the head of the pin. for whatever reason instantaneously explodes to create all the mass both seen and unseen that's in the galaxy, including dark matter. You get to a conversation with this point where we almost should just come back to just being religious. Like, let's just follow the fucking book. That's what I'm saying.

Like Mormonism where it's so dumb that it's kind of comforting. That you might be beating everyone. Yeah, that all these other people like join in on this dumb shit and you all agree and you call each other elders and you're only 12. There's something about just belief, though. Like belief might be beating skepticism. Just the way, I mean, I know they do these things where they measure how your brain acts when those people are like speaking in tongues and stuff and you go to some weird place. And just convincing yourself to be certain of what this existence is might just put you on a whole different level. It's like, oh, it doesn't even matter what you're

believing in. You're just, as long as you're believing. Right. Well, it exists in a really practical form in fighting. I know you're, you're a big MMA fan. It exists in a really practical form in fighting because, you know, when I, um, when I was coaching young people back during the Taekwondo competing days, um, I coached a lot of young people and I brought a lot of people to tournaments and stuff like that, a lot of students. And one of the things that I found was that smarter people had a harder time with competing. Like a lot of the really smart people that I talked to and then I would try to talk to them about it. And what I realized is they're more aware of the variables. They're more aware of what could go wrong, and that would create anxiety.

And it was very difficult to get people to just like, okay, you have to stay on the path of what you're trying to do. You can't look off to the side of the road, the fact that this cliff goes 1,000 feet down to the bottom of the canyon. You can't look at that. You've got to look on the road, just the road. And for a lot of smart people, they're like, fuck, what if I get hit? What happens if I get hit? Like, oh, well, you're fucked if you get kicked in the face. Yeah. Don't road, just the road. And for a lot of smart people, they're like, fuck, what if I get hit? What happens if you get hit? Like, oh, well, you're fucked if you get kicked in the face. Yeah.

Don't get kicked in the face. Keep your hands up. You got to move. And dumb people were like convinced that they were going to be fine. And I was always fascinated by that. I was like, this is weird. Because what's interesting is when the dumb people lost, it was way more difficult for them to rebound. Whereas the smart people lost and they go, all right, well, I saw that coming.

Now I have to decide whether or not I still want to compete. Interesting. Is this the risk I still want to take? Now I'm aware of the consequences. I knew it was coming. So what technically went wrong and how am I physically? And you would see people that were intelligent rebound and they would figure out a way to overcome the challenge or try to at least. Whereas a lot of smart people or a lot of dumb people rather were devastated by losses because

it's almost like you took away that simple belief of theirs now they have to you know this one guy i remember he was talking about how he was such a good person i can't believe this you know i followed the lord's word i'm a good person why god do this to me i was like oh no now he's questioning his very existence yeah that's rough that's a weird thing to see someone have that because there's there's an amazing like confidence that you have to have or like uh at least you have to get yourself to that place to like you know compete in mma like you said without looking at the side of the road and when you see that broken i mean i saw that uh that ellen interview with ronda Rousey yeah that was so crazy to me that really made me go like maybe she shouldn't fight for a

little while like I don't know if she I like she needs some more time off cuz this she went from being the like I'm gonna kill everyone no one has a right to beat me don't be a be nothing bitch and being that chick to being like I wanted to kill myself I got to just have Travis Brown's babies. And I was like, whoa, she's gone from being this like untouchable. I mean, not even like she was like the best female fighter. It was like, don't even, she's wrecking chicks in a second. And then to seeing her kind of broken. Well, what's interesting is these themes play themselves out over and over again.

And the traps are all there, But everybody keeps going for the candy. And they keep getting caught in the traps. The traps of Hollywood are always there for any superstar athlete. Especially fighters. And we've seen it all throughout history. With Tommy Morrison gets in the Rocky movie. And all of a sudden everybody's looking at him like, Tommy Morrison's going to be the White Hope.

And then Ray Mercer beats the living fuck out of him. And you just saw like fear and overwhelming anxiety attack him because he's in this movie and he's on the red carpet and everybody's saying you're gonna be the champ one day huh he's like oh fuck and then it becomes this whole thing he's hanging with sylvester stallone they're probably doing blow and banging hookers allegedly allegedly but you know what i mean it's like like it becomes this Hollywood trap. And Ronda was a, and still is, a giant superstar, right? She's this undefeated women's fighter. She's crushing all the competition.

She looks like a destroyer. And then the fucking traps. All these movies start coming out. All these deals start getting made. Books start getting written. All these television shows and all this stuff and all the traps. And all those traps, they keep your focus. They steal little bits of your focus.

Like, I'm good enough to get by without all that focus. But there's no way. Because there's another person like you out there. There's a lot of people like you out there. And they don't have those traps. And if they don't have those traps, they're going to have more attention that's being paid to their work. Because they're full focused on this. And there's also something dangerous to someone like Ronda Rousey by the way obviously it's just incredible i mean she's the reason why women's mma is a huge thing uh but i

think there's something dangerous about being such an amazing grappler getting a couple knockouts and all of a sudden feeling this kind of like, you know she got the knee to a McMahon and stopped her with one knee, and then what was the other chick who she hit the overhand who face planted? Alexis Davis. Yeah, and so now it's kind of going in there and even going in there with a world class boxer

like Holly Holm, she kind of goes in there with like, well I can knock people out too. And I think that's a dangerous, all of that is a dangerous combination. It's like being a blue belt and you choke out a bunch of white belts and you think you're the shit and then all of a sudden you're rolling with damian maya and he wraps you up like a christmas present beats the fuck out of you and chokes you unconscious easy you know i mean there's levels of everything and to deny those levels because anybody who looked at her fights would see like

okay you have this ronda Rousey this fierce competitor which is one of the best judo examples of judo we've ever seen in MMA I mean her judo spectacular reason why she was a medalist in the Olympics I mean she's a sensational competitor her grappling is outstanding her armbar technique is amongst the best in the world but she's knocking out these girls there there's no they're nowhere near world class as far as kickboxing and striking is concerned. Holly Holm is 100% world class. She is an 18-time world boxing champion. I mean, she's a kickboxing champion.

She was an MMA competitor for a couple of years before she got into the UFC where she was having these ridiculous head kick KOs. She's a beast. And for her to think that she's going to treat this woman, this Holly Holm woman, the same way she was able to bully like Betch Koheya, and I say bully not in a negative way. I mean just attack her and go after her. Betch Koheya, she's slow and awkward and not that athletic.

Holly Holm bounces around that cage like a fucking kangaroo. She does all these back flips and shit. She's spectacularly athletic. And the idea that you're going to have the same approach that you used on Betch Gohea with someone like Holly Holm, that's just madness. And that's something that happens when people get so absorbed with this idea that they're special,

so absorbed with this idea that when you're on top, you think you are the fucking person. You're the woman. You're the man. You're the shit. No one's going to fuck with you. I'm just running through this bitch. And then you get cracked. And then you realize, oh, this game doesn't give a fuck. This game doesn't give a fuck about your charisma. It doesn't give a

fuck about the Vegas odds. It doesn't give a fuck about how much money you made or how many times you've been on Entourage or how many movie deals. It's an amazing thing about MMA. It's why I have so much respect for everybody who competes, but it's like no one can escape this game's

wrath. I mean, like, Jon Jones still has a lot of his career to go, and he has one loss on his record, but it was a dominant win. But, you know, you see these guys like, you see Anderson Silva, and he's just like, he's a ninja. He's untouchable. He's the greatest fighter ever. And then you see him crying on the ground with a shattered, not shattered, but whatever,

when he broke his shin. Well, how about when he cried on the ground after he won against Nick Diaz? He fell to the ground. He was crying. He was my favorite fighter ever, by the way, Nick Diaz. He's just pretty awesome. I mean, the Diaz brothers are just the greatest fighters of all time. They certainly are.

Yeah, but yeah, well, from going full circle then when he comes back and wins in the octagon. But I mean, it's an incredible thing. It makes you look. I mean, when watching Chuck Liddell, who I just, you know, at a certain point you were like, that guy's just unbeatable. He's like super mad. And then to see him get knocked out and kind of his chin, you know Slowly start to go. Yeah, it's it's like this this game this game doesn't give a fuck Doesn't give a fuck about your opinions doesn't give a fuck about what you think when knuckles hit chins legs go limp

And that's just how it goes and we saw that in the rock hold bisping fight You know rock old had this look about him that almost like he was bored, that he was just like, psst, I'm going to go. I mean, part of that, I'm sure, is gamesmanship. He's trying to get inside Bisping's head, that he's so much better than him that he doesn't even have to be serious and be concerned. And then Bisping clips him with his left hook over the shoulder where he's barely seeing it. You called it.

It was a great example. You said a few beats before that where you were like, Rockhold's keeping his chin right up in the air, and he's kind of like a little lackadaisical. I remember you in the Hennen-Berau-Dillashaw fight, the first one, which was a huge upset. No one saw that coming. And I remember you sang as it was on.

You're like, man, Dillashaw's really light on his feet. Dillashaw's really relaxed. Sometimes you could just see a little thing in the way they're moving. They're like, Hmm, that's kind of interesting. Yeah. I was telling you before we started recording my,

my buddy, hilarious comedian, one of my best friends, Louis J Gomez. He does a radio show with Michael Bisbing. Right. And you would, you've had a big J on the show before.

So the three of us do a podcast, Legion of skanks. You, you gotta have Louis on. You'll fucking, I would love to. He's like, I love Jay. Yeah. Jay, Jay's got a specialanks. Right. You got to have Lewis on. You'll fucking love him. I love Jay. Yeah.

Jay's got a special coming out, which is going to be just incredible. What's it on? Comedy Central Hour. Oh, cool. Coming out on, I believe, I want to say June 17th. Yeah. But I might. Nice.

It's like one of those days. It's called Live at Webster Hall. It's going to be a fucking incredible special. Look for that. Beautiful. Jay's like one of the funniest comedians on the planet. Very funny. And Louis J. Gomez is just one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.

He's a great comedian. He's like bigger than a stand-up comedian. He's like the Bert Kreischer of the East Coast. He's just a hilarious person. But so he's doing a show with Michael Bisbing. They do a show called The Countdown on Sirius Radio. And he started doing the show. I mean, this is before Bisbing has the Anderson Silva fight.

And it did almost seem kind of like Bisbing was a great fighter, a big name, but seemed like he was kind of going toward the end of his career. Like he had a couple injuries, had the eye thing. And you're kind of like, oh, he was a contender. Well, explain the eye thing because the eye thing is pretty bad. You probably know better than me. He has a detached retina and he has oil in his eye. You probably know better than me.

He has a detached retina and he has oil in his eye. They had to inject oil into where his eye sits so that his retina won't tear again. So he has one eye that looks almost like cross-eyed and it's kind of black like he's on ecstasy. Like one pupil's dilated. It's very weird. And he doesn't give a fuck. He's got that one eye fucked up and he doesn't give a shit. He's still going in there and slinging.

That guy's born for this. This motherfucker went out and fought Anderson Silva in one of the gutsiest performances I've ever seen. I mean, the first two rounds that he beat Anderson were just incredible. And then the fact that he got almost put out in the third round and came back and won the fourth round and it was a fucked up thing because he was trying to say that his mouthpiece was out and he tried to circle to i don't know who the referee was i think it was herb yeah he's

like and but herbs like look doesn't matter like you gotta i'm not stopping you know you can't call when to stop the action because you could say that the mouthpiece is out or you could just spit your mouthpiece out whenever someone's you know like land like, landed a big shot and then go, time, time out. And people do do that. But, you know, Herb was like, look, you can't say to me that your mouthpiece is out. I know your mouthpiece is out, but you got to keep fighting.

And then, boom! Anderson lands a flying knee on the jaw. And then Anderson walks away with his hands up. Oh, it was so crazy. Like as if he won. So crazy. But Herb didn't call the fight yet. So then the bell rings.

So then Bisping has to get up and recover in a minute from getting KO'd. It was madness. He got a little bit of extra time because Anderson Silva celebrated. Yes. So I think he got like an extra 30 seconds or so. But then, right. And by the way, that's got to fuck Anderson up too. Because Anderson's now got this adrenaline dump.

And then you saw in his face, he's like, what? No, we're back to fighting it. Yeah, but bizbing man that fourth round He just bit down on his mouthpiece and walked him down and yeah I mean it was incredible crazy and then after that being the greatest ever to come and You get on an injury right you get a title shot was ten days notice. Yeah, he fights the greatest ever I mean arguably Anderson's on the downslide, but definitely let's not say arguably i mean losing twice to weidman it just didn't look the same when he fought nick diaz suspended for steroids comes back and and you know but he's

still anderson silva so that victory gets that victory over the greatest of all time and then first round knockout over luke rockhold you know what's fucked up I was I was literally considering saying that Luke Rockhold looks overconfident and when you're overconfident you can get knocked out and I'm like I don't want to be a dick and then boom he gets knocked out but you did make the comment about him holding about him not like having his head right

there on the center line or something I mean it was super relaxed with his chin straight up he was pulling out of things with his chin straight up it was almost like there was no danger. Yeah. And that was one of the things that he was saying, that, you know, he was in no danger. And it was also one of the same things

that Uriah Faber was saying. Like, the difference between me and Cruz is, I can hurt him, I can take him out. And then when you see Uriah got caught, I think it was the second round, he got dropped, and you realize he's in deep trouble. Like, you realize, holy shit, like, I can get knocked out too. And all those and you know it's it's a it's funny when you get it like like michael

bisman was a guy who the knock on him i guess was that he didn't have knockout power or whatever people talking about like a a 200 i mean fighting at 205 a guy who cuts down probably i'm sorry 185 so probably someone someone who weighs close to 200 pounds it It's a 200-pound guy who specializes in striking. I mean, he can fucking knock you out. Of course he can. And he proved it. Well, he doesn't fight like a brawler. He fights like a technician.

And when you fight like a technician, you don't swing wild, crazy-ass punches with everything on them, with your, you know, Vanderlei Silva style. You know, you try to findlei Silva style, you know, you try to find openings and that's what he did. He found the opening with that left hook. It was really sneaky. He had missed it before. He was like stepping in and throwing the left hook over the shoulder and kind of like stepping into the punch.

And boy, when he caught Luke, he caught him at the end of the chin, which really like fucking spins your head. All the torque was perfectly placed. And then he caught up with another brilliant one right afterwards. He followed up. Yeah, man, dude.

And you know, he's had like all sorts of fucking crazy injuries, back injuries, neck injuries, his fucking arms. Yeah. He's just tough, man. He just keeps going. He just keeps going. No question about that. That dude's as tough as they come, man.

I don't know if he ever fixed it. Just because he's one of those guys who's like been around forever and always kind of been knocking at the door. So it's nice to see him get his moment. Well, it's crazy to see. Well, you see, there's knockout power, right? And then there's Dan Henderson kind of knockout power. That is just like, Jesus fucking Christ. Dan Henderson feels like this table.

When you put your arm on him, he's not flexing. He's like Ryan Parsons, who's a buddy of mine, who was his manager for a long time, said that he would do massage on him and he would be exhausted. He's like, he's wood. The guy's made out of wood. So, like, when you look at him, you look at him, you go, well, it looks like a, you know, strong, athletic guy. But if you felt him, you realize where all this power comes from. He's like, he's built different there's something going on with him and he does when you were saying people who don't put everything

into one punch i mean he puts everything into his punches like i mean it's like coming at you and it's so weird the way he moves too he moves in a weird way because he's very stiff he's not fluid like john jones or like anderson is very fluid in his movements. Dan is like very stiff, but when he uncorks those bombs on you, they just detonate, and you're just like, what the fuck hit me? Like Hector Lombard's never been knocked out. To see Hector Lombard get knocked out by, well, he got head kicked. He's probably stunned by that head kick, and then he got blasted with that back elbow, and he was out cold.

He was out cold when he hit the ground. And then Henderson blasts him again. But like, whoa. I saw it. I was like, who the fuck hits like this guy? It's almost like you want him to hit you just so you can feel it. Just to know a little bit. How much harder is that than normal? What the fuck are you doing different?

I want to start by standing next to a guy who he hits. Hit him real close to me. I want to feel it. His KO of Bisping at UFC 100 was one of the most brutal one-punch shots in the history of combat sports. It was just boom! Bisping's dead stiff,

and then Henderson's airborne long before the referee can get to him and just slams him in the face on the way down. And then from there out, one of his logos was the silhouette of him flying through the air, knocking out Bisping. So imagine being Bisping. Not only do you have to deal with the fact this guy fucking knocked you out in spectacular fashion, but his logo is him flying through the air, hitting you after you're already unconscious.

I would just say, hang on. In a few years, you'll be champ. And you'll have a show with Luis J. Gomez and everything will be good. What year was UFC 200? It's a while, man. That was Brock Lesnar or 100 you're saying. Yeah, 100 was like was it 2012?

No, earlier than that probably. What year was that, Jamie? I just pulled something up. It wasn't UFC 114 popped up. It definitely wasn't that, right? It was UFC 100. Let me see. It was the biggest pay-per-view of all time.

It was Brock Lesnar's rematch with Frank Mir. And GSP fought Tiago Alves. July 11, 2009. 2009? Wow, it was that long ago. Whoa. That's nuts. Yeah, that is fucking weird.

It's been a long fucking longer than I would have thought. Yeah, definitely. I guess it is like 100 UFCs later. Yeah. Wow. So seven years later, he wins the title. Crazy. Yeah, look, there's going to be some ups and downs.

On the same card? On the same card. Look, there's going to be some ups and downs. Your retina is going to get all types of fucked up. But you will be champion one day. No one takes that away from him, ever. Could you imagine if him and Henderson had a rematch for the title? Good Lord.

Can that be made? I wonder if that could be made ethically. Because if you look at all the other contenders, all the people waiting in line, Chris Weidman, Luke Rockhold, Jacare, Vitor. Yeah, there's just too many. Yeah, there's too many. But, ooh, boy. It's hard.

It's a hard sell because Vitor just knocked out Henderson in the first round. You know, it's, yeah, it's just, man. Vitor knocked out Bisping in Brazil. And he knocked out Rockhold. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But he just got destroyed. But he just got smashed by Jacare.

The middleweight division is just completely up in the air now. It's all turned upside down. It's so weird in MMA what happened. You're kind of like, oh, okay, I think I know where everything stands. And then one thing changes and you're like, well, I don't know anything, I guess. You never know anything because you're only looking at the guys that are in the UFC right now. And there's a whole fucking series of murderers that are out there that are just getting ready to enter. And there's young kids that are like 20 that are just coming into their

own and in four years they might be the best fighter in the world. There's so many of those. There's like the Cody Garbrandts that are emerging. You know, they emerge then with one fight against Almeida you go, oh Jesus, this kid is a fucking killer in the 135 pound division and one of the top contenders now instantly with one standout performance.

And there'll be more divisions. You were kind of talking about that when we were at the store the other night. You want to see more divisions in MMA. There'll be more divisions, more fighters, I think, right? I hope so. I hope so. But there hasn't been enough progress in that. I really think that there should be a weight class every 10 pounds.

I really do. I think there's a lot of opportunities for not just more champions, which I think is better for the sport, but guys to be able to fight in their actual weight class and be competitive. There's some gaps like 85 to 205. Man, that's a big gap. That is a giant gap, a 20-pound gap. And most guys, they're probably going to be in the middle. So if you had an 85, a 95, and a 205, that's where it should be. Right. You know, I think that's how boxing does, and also I think it gives you much more opportunity for guys to fight champion versus champion, you know, and to move up or move down, like, fairly easily. Like, I think an 85 could move down to 75 way easier than an 85 could go up to 205. Sure.

And they could go back and forth. And you could have some, like, really awesome title unification bouts or, you know, champion versus champion bouts. Right. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I mean, I like seeing the weight class. I love Conor moving up to fight Nate. I mean, although I guess you don't need more weight classes. He went up to 170. Yeah, that

wasn't even a move up. That was just like, let's not cut. Yeah, yeah. Well, it was a move up for him, though. And tell me, am I crazy about this, but why? I've wondered this a lot, and I've never really gotten a good answer on it, but why do we have the weight cuts? Like, why don't we just weigh in an hour before the event? You want to

dehydrate yourself before that? Fine. Because it's dangerous. Guys are still going to cut weight. That's how guys die. Guys die from being dehydrated and getting hit in the head. I mean, you can definitely die from just getting hit in the head. But isn't it, wouldn't it and maybe this is just stupid, but wouldn't it regulate itself because it's like

if the weigh-in's an hour before the fights and you're going to dehydrate yourself you're going to get fucked up in the fight. Like you're not going to have time to replenish yourself. But why do this whole thing where we're weighing in and out 24 hours before guys are dehydrating themselves, then refuel? Why not just fight the way Conor and Nate fought and be hydrated? It's a very good point.

Another point could be to outlaw weight cutting entirely and to check people all throughout camp and to make matchups based on size. Like look at, look at two guys, you know, you say, what do you walk around at? What do you walk around at? Okay. You guys will be fighting at that weight, you know, or whatever the weight is when you're in best shape. You know, if you get down to 175 when you're in your best shape, you tell us what that

number is. Tell us what that number is. We'll match you up accordingly. And we're going to test people's hydration levels all throughout camp. We're going to show up just like USADA does and test you for drugs. We're going to make you get on a scale. I'm going to test your hydration levels. And when you're at a reasonably hydrated level where it's healthy, that's your weight.

That's what you weigh now. So if you want to lose weight, you better lose weight by you better do some extra running and you better drop some body fat, but you're not going to be dehydrated. Yeah, I mean, seeing as how we can figure all that stuff out, it just seems like there'd be an easier answer. Now, of course, obviously, there's the commissions in the way, which I don't believe in any government regulation. So I don't think they should be there. Well, the California Commission's done a fantastic job. California Commission's no joke.

This guy, Andy Foster, who runs it, I think he runs a great organization. And what he did was the opposite approach. He let them weigh in from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. He gave them an open window. He said, look, we're going to be open. Just come down and wait. This is what he didn't want. He doesn't want guys dehydrated, standing around, weakening themselves for that one moment where they have to stand on a scale in front of a camera.

He's like, this is all an artificially orchestrated event. He's like, how about this? We'll have them. They'll come in. We'll have athletic commission officers ready on standby all morning for these guys to weigh in. They come in, they weigh in. Then once we record it, make sure they're cool. They can rehydrate and they have many, many more hours to rehydrate. So guys were rehydrating six hours earlier. Most of the guys showed up at 10 AM. They made weight and then they had way more time. So when you saw people stand on the scale, I was saying official weight when I was announcing it.

They had weighed in at 10 o'clock in the morning. So it was already four in the afternoon. These guys were hydrated and thick. No one looked sick. So at least visually, no one looked like like Conor McGregor looked when he fought Chad Mendes. When they weighed in, he looked like a dead man. He's a different person.

He looked like a dead man. Cheeks were all sucked in. It looks horrible. I mean, look, he did good in the fight. Yeah. But he really did. He cuts a lot to get to 145. He's a big boy.

Yeah, he's a big boy. He's way bigger than Jose Aldo. And Jose Aldo was cutting a lot at one point in his career. By the way, I've never, and I'm a hardcore fan, I've never enjoyed a fight more than I enjoyed Nate Diaz, Conor McGregor. I've never lost my mind so much at the end of the fight. I mean, I'm a huge Diaz fan, and that was just incredible. I mean, on ten days' notice. Yeah.

Well, that whole two-fight event, the two fights, the final fights, the Holly-home Misha Tate was one of the most exciting endings to any fight ever. When Misha took Holly down in the fifth round, the was she was losing it took her back and choked her. That's insane Yeah, I read an article today where someone was saying that it was that Misha had lost virtually every second It was from a guy respect a writer and how she won the second I was like, what are you talking about the second round? She took her down and pounded her I think they didn't they give her a 10-8? Yes. And they should. She dominated. So I read this article.

This is ESPN writer wrote it. And I was like, wait a minute, man. Come on. You can't say that. Why are you saying that? That's silly hyperbole. It doesn't even make any sense. And Misha was threatening in the third and fourth after that.

Holly was on her bike. She was like, fuck this. She was fighting perfect and super cautious with no chances and barely winning those rounds you know just winning them but barely winning it wasn't nothing nothing big happened and definitely no threat so that victory when misha tate choked out holly and holly's punching in the air like how fucking dramatic is that going out cold punching in the air while she's going out and then nate beating up connor in that second round after he gets fucked up in the first round, beating him up in the second round

and then choking him. Insane. Probably two of the most exciting finishes to any fight ever. And the Conor thing was just insane because he was on a tear that was one of the biggest tears in MMA history. And to watch it go down like that,

especially like you said, he was winning the fight and then Nate turns it around. Yeah. And it was almost like on the drop of a dime, like Nate came to life in that second round and starts talking shit. Yeah.

It starts really fun in a home for the jab. Yeah. And then he hit him with that big one too and it was like, oh. Uh-oh. Nate has a snake-like one too, too. He like, wap, wap, and then he like slithers around.

You can't find him with a counter he's really good and there's no one worse than uh nate or nick diaz to get hurt by in a fight because once they hurt you they just like they push a pace and then when you get hurt they like pick it up and pick it up and then all of a sudden i mean before you know it connor's hit like 25 fucking times on the feet and he's shooting for a takedown. Those guys are always doing triathlons. So even though Nate is like, he was taking that fight on 11 days notice

and he wasn't in shape, he's still in way better shape than most people. So like him going five rounds is not unfeasible. It's not outside of the realm of imagination. He's in shape.

He's just not in the kind of shape that he's going to be when they have a rematch. And that becomes a real fucking problem. Dude, I think he's going to beat him up again. Well, what Nate said, he goes, if I had a camp, he wouldn't have fucking touched me. He goes, my plan was to go out slow in the first round. And he came out fast in the first round.

So I got tagged a couple times. But that's so cool. That's cool. Stick to the plan. Stick to the plan. And then the second round, he starts loosening up and opening up. And Conor was just dead. Yeah, well, I heard.

I mean, people are talking to Nate about, because going into that fight like Conor's power was what a lot of people were talking about. Like, you know, he put one punch on Jose Aldo's chin and he's out. And, you know, he's talking. He's like, they can't handle my power. I don't do voices well. But, and Nate was saying in one of the post-fight interviews where he was like, look, I'm sparring with Andre Ward and Joe Schilling and like heavyweight boxers. I'm doing rounds with heavyweight boxers. There's nothing you're going to hit him with that he hasn't seen or kind of dealt with.

I mean, you're not talking like Andre Ward and Joe Schilling, like decent strikers. You're saying literally the best. The best. The best in boxing and the best in kickboxing. Well, Joe Schilling cuts weight to kickbox at 185 pounds and knocks dudes dead. Yeah. Dead with one punch. So that guy is sparring with Nate on a regular basis.

Andre Ward, who is one of the best fucking boxers on the planet Earth, one of the slickest, said that Nate gives as good as he gets when they spar. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. And I think Joe Schilling said he's never hurt either one of them in a sparring session. I think he said that on Fighter and the Kid. Yeah, I believe it, man.

Tough fucking dudes, man. Tough fucking dudes. But what's fascinating to me is that he wanted to jump right back in there and do it again and that Nate wanted to, or that Connor wanted to just run it back and I was like, wow, that's interesting.

It seems weird that he gets to do that. Not so much that Connor wanted to just run it back and I was like wow that's interesting it seems weird that he gets to do that not so much that he wants to but it just seems weird that they were like even when Dana White was talking about it and he was like look man we tried to convince him to go down to 145 and he was like Nate's the only I was like he's the matchmaker now he just gets to go wouldn't you let him if you want to make

a ton of money right man I believe in the market yes and that guy is that guy's what people want to see he can do what he can do whatever he wants to do but it's not just a big payday off it but it's not just that the emperor's been stripped down okay so now he's exposed so now someone's beaten him so here's the thing what do you do now you want to make money okay because if you want to make money you make the biggest fight you can right now while he's been exposed and the biggest fight for sure is when i say exposed i don't mean he's not talented i mean now while he's been exposed. And the biggest fight for sure is, and when I say exposed, I don't mean he's not talented.

I mean exposed meaning he's a human and he can lose. And that happens with every fighter. They lose, and once they lose, people go, oh, you can be beat. You know, we saw it with Anderson Silva. You saw it with Mike Tyson. After Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglas, it was a different world. Everybody was like, oh, he's human. So I say exposed, not in a disrespectful way.

But he got exposed. He lost. He got choked out. He got beaten up on the ground. And then he got choked out quick. So this is not an invulnerable, perfect fighter who's unbelievably durable, who can take punishment like no man. There's a lot of those guys in the UFC. There's champions like that in the UFC.

Like Robbie Lawler. Unbelievably durable. You can't put him away. It's fucking hard to put that guy away. We're not talking about that. We're talking about a guy who got dinged up, shot for a shitty wide-open takedown, got taken down, got demolished on the ground, and got choked unconscious. Quickly afterwards.

So, all right, what do you do? Could that happen with Dos Anjos? Fuck yeah, it could. Dos Anjos could do that, too. It's possible. I mean, Conor might knock him out. You never know. Conor does have that punch.

But you've got to put him in against Nate again because that's the big money rematch. And if this guy turns out to be a guy who's going to win some and lose some, and the beginning of his career, this unbeatable, wild Celtic warrior character, that's all gone. But he's a champ. He's still got a belt at 145. Yeah, for now. And the beginning of his career, this unbeatable, wild Celtic warrior character. Right. That's all gone. But he's champ. He's still got a belt at 145. Yeah, for now. So it's almost kind of a weird position.

For now. But, I mean, here's my question. When I say for now, can he really keep making that weight? That's what I'm saying. Well, I've wondered about that, too. Some people have argued with me saying, like, no, he can make the weight. Because he was, what was he, 169 against Nate. So they're saying he basically, that's what what he starts at and he can just cut down from

there that's a lot but look what he looked like at the at the weigh-in so maybe he can I mean he kind of he definitely can do it it's physically possible I was so looking forward to the press conference though just because I can't you know you've got this guy in Connor who's like the ultimate shit talker and then you've got Nate who I mean the first the dynamic at the first press conference was amazing yeah it was amazing at that moment when he was just like kind of talking circles around Nate

and Nate just broke and he goes how about this fuck you fuck your belt fuck this press conference like Nate just went gangster on him yeah but now like how can Connor I was so interested like how can he show up and talk shit like that yeah when nate's got the perfect rebuttal that anything he has to say i'll be john 10 days kind of saying all kinds of crazy stuff like the first eight minutes were easy

yeah but here's the difference between the first eight minutes and the last three minutes the last three were a lot worse yeah they were awful like you got fucked up man you got to just accept that but that's part of his thing is that he has to like look at things in the most positive light possible and man i don't know um i think stylistically it's a troublesome fight for him because nate is a very clever boxer and his ground game is a world away from where connor is right now and i've seen nate roll with guys he's a fucking legit very high level brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under a very respected camp his cardio is outstanding his boxing's nasty so where's connor shining the only way i think i mean i guess there's like you know it's really hard to like fight a diaz

brother and beat them you know usually when people beat them it's kind of like they really stick to a strategy you got to kind of take them down and and avoid submissions or like leg kick and circle like Dos Anjos beat him up in that way but you know what there's also different show up well there's also you know different camps you know you're coming in who knows what kind of fucking injuries you're dealing with. You see a guy like Nate come in and look really kind of lackadaisical against Rafael Dos Anjos. Then you see him come back and look shredded against Michael Johnson and look sensational. So you go, okay, that's what he's capable of when he's on and focused. You've got to be ready for that guy. And I think that's the best he's ever looked was that Michael Johnson fight.

Yeah, you can't think that the guy who lost to Dos Anjos is showing up. You've got to think that the guy that came out Dos Anjos is showing up. You gotta think that the guy that came out and swarmed Cowboy in the first round is coming. Like, that guy's a clever fucking boxer. So where does Conor shine?

Knockout power. That's where he shines. Like, Conor can dead dudes. He can. But he couldn't do it. Yeah. They're tough to hit. They have great head movement

and great chins and they roll with punches. Well, the only guy that ever stopped Nate was Josh Thompson. And Josh did it with a brutal head kick. And Josh Thompson, and they roll with punches. Well, the only guy to ever stop Nate was Josh Thompson. Josh did it with a brutal head kick. And Josh Thompson, to this day, I say, is one of the most underrated guys. He just, the stars did not align for him, but he could have easily been a UFC champion.

He was champion of Strikeforce. Yeah, and with Gilbert, and him and Gilbert went back and forth. You know, Josh Thompson's a world-class fighter. So when Josh Thompson head kicked him, you know, it's like Josh could do that to anybody in that division. If he catches you, you know, you're fucked. He's older now and he's just, you know, I think he's a guy that, like I said, the stars didn't like perfectly align for him. But like skill-wise and technique-wise, he's a fucking world-class fighter. So when he knocked out Nate Dia diaz it's not necessarily an indication

that nate diaz is done because just you know that's how good josh thompson is yeah and at the time and then so nate rebounds from that and i think people you look at like the losses like the dos anjos fight and you look at that the josh thompson fight and you go hmm how good is he you know i could beat that guy but then you look at the Michael Johnson fight and you go, ooh, that guy's fucking dangerous. Jim Miller, Cerrone. Exactly. A lot of these fights where he was just unbelievable. Yeah.

And I think it's one of those things where styles make fights and, you know, kind of really got in people's heads by talking shit. And I felt like going in, I was like, I don't think you're going to get in Nate's head by talking shit. He's not that guy. How about this? My crew will fuck up your whole crew. That's the most gangster thing you could say head by talking shit. He's not that guy. How about this? My crew will fuck up your whole crew. That's the most gangster thing you could say, by the way. That's the most gangster thing because he's literally just going, we'll fucking jump you, dude.

We're not playing around here. And all those guys, even the guys who seem like kind of nice guys in his team, like Jake Shields, you feel like he'll fucking jump you. He's a vegetarian and he'll kick your ass. What? That's some breaking news that's hit since we've been going live. The first one is this.

UFC lifts ban on reporter Ariel Helwani. The second one is a little less exciting. Wait a minute. Hold on. Go back to that. It says, reported that wrestler Brock Lesnar talks to return to return to UFC 200 preempting a UFC announcement officials issued a life ban against him the organization reversed the decision Monday hmm that's kind of cool because that means that like public support made them lift that but it

also must mean that they worked out whatever the fuck it was see this is what they were saying and this is this is what I'm hearing. Okay, let me just, I haven't talked to Ariel, but let me just give you the UFC perspective. The UFC perspective was that there was a mole. They believe that someone was giving Ariel information and that information he was using to scoop the UFC's official promotions. So the UFC, which is a private company,

they don't have to have, you don't have to let people in to your, your business, your private company to come and report. And so they felt like he was somehow or another getting a hold of this inside information, releasing it and making them look bad. Now I get the UFC's perspective that they would want to know who the fuck is leaking this secret information. And that they don't want this guy taking that information and then putting it live. Now, from what I understand, the conversation with him was, don't do this. Because if you do this, there's only a handful of people that know this information. So, we're going to fire everybody.

Or we're going to fire a bunch of people and you're going to ruin people's lives. This is what I was told was a conversation they had with him after that conversation he leaked the brock lesnar stuff so that i don't know if that's true i would have to talk to ariel you'd have to get his opinion you'd have to get the ufc's opinion you'd have to get the two of them together to debate whether or not which story was true but this is the side that you're not hearing so all you're hearing is the side that you're not hearing. So all you're hearing is the UFC banned him for life and everybody was upset. So I like Ariel.

I think Ariel's a very good reporter. I think he's a very bright guy. I'm good friends with his uncle, Gad Saad, who's an awesome, just a brilliant, brilliant professor in Montreal. I love that guy. So I like Ariel. And the whole thing was bumming me out. I was looking at my Twitter feed. I was that guy. So I like Ariel. And the whole thing was bumming me out. I was looking at my Twitter feed. I was like, oh, fucking. But there's certain things like this, you've got to kind of let

the dust settle. So the dust settled. They lifted the ban. I'm very happy with that. But you've got to be careful when it comes to see, here's the thing about this leaking information. People say, he was just doing his job reporting. I get that. I understand that. But you have to realize, this isn't like news that is not going to get out, that's going

to affect people's health and safety. It's like we're trying to make an announcement in an hour. This is a private company that is spending millions of dollars to promote these events. So all you're doing is just like getting it on you. You're taking... Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Where is it?

It's right out that door and to the right-hand side. All you're doing, if you're scooping it, is you're shining the attention on yourself. What I like Ariel for is not him shining the attention on himself. What I like Ariel for is I think he's a very bright guy

and I think he's very insightful when it comes to fights and strategies and things along those lines. So I don't think it's important that he break the news before the UFC does. And I think if the UFC doesn't want him to do that because this is private information in a private company and they're trying to control the press release, I don't buy that that's necessarily like under the guise of journalism. I think it's like there's some there's some fuckery with that because we're not talking about like, Oh, he, he found out about, uh, some horrible thing that happened

that someone's covering up or he found out about corruption in government or he found out about a person got shot by the police. This isn't, this is not like that kind of news. This is, they're going to release it. It's going to, you're just trying to do it before they do it. And you're finding it. If it's true that there's a. And you're finding it, if it's true, that there's a mole. You're finding it out through some sort of a sneaky method that these people all sign non-disclosure agreements and they're all not supposed to release that information because the UFC wanted to make that big, cool announcement.

Now, when that big, cool announcement happened at UFC 199, I was working all day. I was doing commentary all day. So I didn't go online and I wasn't reading any of the MMA sites. So I didn't know that Ariel had already scooped it. So when I saw that promo and I saw Brock Lesnar, can you see me now? I was like, what does that mean? Was this real?

Like that was a real reaction by me. I had no fucking idea whatsoever that Brock Lesnar was going to be at UFC 200. I didn't either. No one in the room knew what was happening. We didn't see the promo. We couldn't hear it. That's what the UFC wanted. They wanted that.

And they felt like him releasing that early ruined that for the people that read his article. And I see their point of view. I see their perspective. And I also see their perspective as a private company. Now, people are saying that he's just doing his job and it's just journalism. Folks, this is not hidden information. This is not stuff that wasn't going to come out for sure in a couple hours. He knew it was. Everybody knew it was. So this is a very tricky thing. And it's also, he had apparently scooped Nate Diaz versus Conor McGregor. He had done that. And that was when, this is again what I'm hearing, when they had a talk with him.

They're like, look, if you fucking do this, you're going to ruin people's lives because you're going to get people fired. Because we're going to find out who the fuck did this. There's only a small handful of people. It's not coming from Brock's side. It's coming somehow or another from inside the organization. So I don't know. I got no problem with the UFC doing it. Because, I mean, if everything we're saying, you know, because I don't know. I got no problem with the UFC doing it.

Because I mean, if everything we're saying, you know, because obviously I don't know all the information, but look, it's your company. It's your information. You have a right to tell your employees, don't give this out. And if there's evidence that one of them is, be like, I'm going to fire that guy.

Yeah, and this is the most important part of it, folks. This is not a free speech thing. It's not a freedom of the press thing thing because we're not saying that he somehow another scoop some inside information we'd have never gotten out his is not some secret stuff well he has the right to say it you know he shouldn't be thrown in jail no one's you know exactly i'm i don't advocate for anyone being thrown in jail but i'm saying though what i'm saying is it's not like he unvi he uncovered some inside shit like Watergate. This was something that they were going to release.

They had a plan, and he got word of that and jumped the gun and put it out there. And he said he had multiple sources and all this different jazz. But look, it doesn't help anybody to release it early except Ariel. So you're saying it's not like he found out about some scandal going on that he was showing to the public it's literally like we want to drop this in an hour and by the way i didn't read uh his thing and i loved finding that news out live at the event it was amazing well and i look i don't give a fuck okay i don't i mean i think it's kind of cool that they had that but it doesn't bother me at all that the information got out a few hours earlier would i've had the same reaction no but if i saw it in written word i was still had a very similar reaction like what the fuck

i wouldn't have had the same reaction when i saw the promo but come on man i'm not into cheesy promos anyway i don't give a fuck i want to see matchups i don't give a shit give everybody the information the moment it happens i don't give a fuck i don't like announcements all of that i don't but that said i completely understand the ufc's opinion or the ufc's position where they have this company and you know people go oh you're a company man you're fucking sticking up for the company no just think of that this for a second you have a promotional uh campaign that you've created you've spent more than a million dollars promoting this UFC 200 commercial. They have this whole thing, and then they tag Brock Lesnar in the end, and they think,

oh my god, this is the fucking cherry on top of the sundae. This is gonna be it. And then someone jumps the gun, and you find out that it's someone inside your company, allegedly, that's leaking information to this reporter, and he's getting this information out, and all he's doing is essentially scooping it and putting the light on himself.

No, I think you have every right to want to fire that person. And also every right to ban Ariel. And I love Ariel. I think he's a great reporter. I like watching his stuff. I like the MMA hour a lot. Well, again, maybe that information that I got from the UFC is also incorrect, and maybe that's why his ban has been lifted. But look, no one wants a guy like Ariel Helwani to not have a gig, and I think him getting banned, honestly, if you're an Ariel Helwani fan, you should be jumping up and down for two reasons. One, you should be happy that he got banned, because then it makes him like a martyr, and then happy that he got

reinstated, because now he's a hero. So I'm an Ariel Helwani fan, so I'm happy. I'm obviously a UFC fan, so I'm happy. I'm glad they worked it out and everybody talked and it's groovy. We get to watch Brock Lesnar fight. Exactly. But it's everybody that's freaking out that he's

only doing his job, that's not necessarily true, folks. It's a little bit more complicated than that, because it's not like that he's only doing his job, that's not necessarily true, folks. It's a little bit more complicated than that because it's not like that information wasn't already coming out. And if you have information that you know is going to come out, write a fucking story about what that information means because that's what I want out of Ariel Helwani. I think Ariel Helwani is a really smart guy, and he's really insightful, and he's a true MMA fan.

And he's a guy that is going to give you some really good insight and some very, very well articulated thoughts that I enjoy. So I'm happy. I'm happy he's back. I'm happy. But that is the perspective that when I found out about it, I had to ask, I called and I had this conversation with people that I deeply trust. And this was the version that I was handed. so now everybody knows and it's all groovy so the conspiracy theorists can say he's working with the UFC yeah I'm a puppet but I mean look obviously I love the UFC and obviously Dana White is a very good friend of mine so you're not going to hear me criticize him you know I mean even if I if I disagree with them you're like he's hear me criticize him. I mean, even if I disagree with them,

you're like, he's my friend. But it makes sense. That's how human interactions work. He's like a friend. And by the way, he's created an amazing company. He's the reason why this sport is out there. And you guys have worked together. So even if you had a falling out and you were like, I don't want to work there anymore,

why would you go publicly? You would never hear that from me. And I would never work for anybody else either. People said, like, if you leave the UFC, like, what are you going to do? You work for Bellator? I'm like, I'm not working for anybody. If I don't work for anybody else either. People have said, like, if you leave the UFC, you're like, what are you going to do? You work for Bellator? I'm like, I'm not working for anybody. If I don't work for the UFC, I am never doing this again. Yeah, I couldn't see you

commentating for another MMA organization. No fucking chance. No chance. Just no chance. It's not even on the table. It's not going to happen. I just won't do it anymore. I would be happy to just go back to doing stand-up. I like being a fan. And honestly, my favorite thing to do, I love calling fights.

Don't get me wrong. It's an amazing job. I've had it for a long time. But fight companions are even more fun. Right. Fight companion podcast when it's Eddie Bravo and Shaub and Callan. And you just hang out and watch. Oh, my God.

And we drink and eat food and talk shit. And if a fight's boring, someone tells a story about, you know, getting laid or shit in their pants and traffic. I mean, it's hilarious. It's the most fun. It's the best. Because we get, look, the best seat in the house is kind of there live where I sit. So I do kind of have the best seat in the house.

But honestly, watching it on TV might be the best seat in the house. Because you don't get the obstruction of the cage i've been well look i don't i like the ufcs i've been to i don't have like the great fucking seats either i've sat and just and i've caught myself sitting there where you're watching the big screen life is changing pick you up uh but i've been sit there where i'm literally i'm catching myself just watching the screen of course the big screen a lot and you're kind of you are aware of that or you're just like, I'm really not even watching this live half the time.

You know, they start fighting over here and you're like, ah, now the octagon's blocking me. And you don't get the commentary unless you have one of those earpiece things that they sell. So like sometimes something's going on and you're like, what is happening? Why is a doctor in there? Like what's going on? Why is he sitting on a stool?

Why is he on the ground? Like what the fuck is going on? And it'll take you like 10 minutes of frustration to try to decipher. And then like Bruce Buffer has to announce it due to an injury. Yes. But speaking of that, you do get to see the Bruce Buffer 360 every time. Well, he doesn't do a 360. He does a 180.

He's only done one 360 and that's a UFC 200. Which, ladies and gentlemen, begs the question. Should we convince Bruce Buffer to do something else? A 720? Do we convince him to do a 720? You heard it right here. But he's getting up there in age. I don't want him to blow out an ACL.

He blew his ACL out doing the jump. You know he does that thing where he goes, it's time! He blew his ACL doing that? He blew his ACL out doing that. not which fight I don't remember he'd probably tell me if I asked him he might not even I'm sure he remembers but here we could watch the 360 by the way, this 360 is 100% my idea I talked him into it. There's an even a video of me talking him into the 360 and him into it there's an even a video of me talking him into the 360 and I'm like cuz he always did the 180 and he did the 180 because he accidentally was pointing towards the wrong side once and he realized that I'm goat there's another

one dude I think I'm gonna see that we're just one hold up correct yeah bring this in the beginning bring it to the beginning and then crank it up real loud so we could hear it you do it bring it from the beginning put it to the beginning and then crank it up real loud so we can hear it. You do it, bring it from the beginning, put it in the beginning, bring it in the beginning. There you go. My main goal this weekend, besides having fun and getting to see some awesome fights, is talking Bruce Buffer into the Buffer 360. The Buffer 360 will be happening! It very well possibly could.

Now we planted the seed in his head. Shit, it was about a year ago we talked to him about possibly going from a 180 to a 360. Could he do it? Well, that crazy motherfucker went home and actually practiced it. We're going to work on him at the weigh-ins.

We're going to make him feel it. We're going to massage him until he feels it. We're going to do whatever we can do. The Buffer 360 must take place. Buffer 360 brought to you by the power of marijuana. So this is the UFC. I'm here with Bruce Buffer.

It is UFC 100. Today is the day. Will we see the Buffer 360? It still stands that I will know at that exact millisecond of the moment I decide to do it. Do I want to do it? Yes, I do. But let's see how the energy feels, and let's see how I feel, and let's see how the show goes, and if I can do it, I'll pull it off. Suspense! I can't fucking take it! Joey Diaz was sitting there right behind me while it happened.

I forgot that. Joey was right there. All right, round for the undisputed UFC heavyweight championship of the world. So this is the biggest ever UFC pay-per-view, and that's me with a video camera on Mike Goldberg hoping that he's going to do the 180 or the 360. UFC pay-per-view and that's me with a video camera on Mike Goldberg hoping that he's gonna do the 180 or the 360.

Wow look how lean Frank Mir looked at the time. He looked great. The Olympic champion presenting the challenger, Frank Mee! Now, now here. Get ready for this. Introducing the champion, fighting out of the red corner, this man is a wrestler. He holds a professional record in three wins

in a row. He's gonna do it. Joseph was like, he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it. I was like, he's not gonna do it. Here he goes. Ladies and gentlemen, presenting the reigning, defending, USA heavyweight champion of the world, Alex Blanchard!

Look at Joey Diaz That's Joey screaming I was so happy So There's Red Band Diaz And Ari Shafir Wow everybody looks so young.

Wow. It's crazy. That was seven years ago. That doesn't seem like seven years ago. Somehow Ari had an older haircut at the time. Well, he was going for the mustache look at the time, and he had a lot of craziness going on. Wow.

That's a long-ass time ago. That's crazy. That only has 73,000? Who has that up? Is that Red Band's page? Wow, I should put it on my channel. So we have to figure out a way to make a 720 plausible.

He needs a hoverboard or something. So the other breaking news you just handed me is that Kimbo Slice died. How did he die? Kimbo Slice died. I think he was admitted to the hospital with a heart condition today or maybe Thursday the other day. And news was breaking just as we were coming on.

People were trying to get confirmation on if he actually passed. And the American Top Team tweeted it. Oh, the American Top Team tweeted that he died. He must have really died. Wow. He was a good guy, man. I met that dude a couple times very nice guy fuck man Crazy story he had man just fuck internet street fights into the UFC

Well, I first into the CBS thing. It was a good boxer. You know, he's a good boxer in the early days of MMA You know He was a good boxer in the early days of MMA. If you go back and watch his Kimbo Slice KO and Elite XC, just Elite XC fucked up in trying to put all their eggs in one basket and have this guy who was this internet sensation be their figurehead. I mean, it made sense financially, but people in the know, like me, I was like, listen, if he fights someone good, he's going to get fucked up. I see all these holes in what he does. And it was frustrating as a hardcore fan because it was still at a point like the UFC is much, much bigger now.

It was I remember when they got that fight on CBS, like MMA had never been on a big network like that before. So it was very frustrating that the biggest network was putting it out as if this guy was the best guy in MMA and you know us like hardcore fans like me and my friends would be around bitch like Randy Katara would take him down in a second you know but he was fun to watch well people forget that Elite XC sort of had the scoop on the UFC they had the scoop on getting on broadcast television and they had millions of people watching those fights. Didn't UFC, like, weren't they in talks with HBO and then it, like, fell apart and then Elite XC ended up getting the deal with Showtime or whatever?

Well, here was one of the problems. HBO wanted to replace me and Goldberg and put in their own commentators. They wanted to do their own version of the broadcast because they probably felt like us as UFC employees would be biased and The UFC was like that's not gonna happen Like first of all who you gonna get like how many people are out there, especially at the time that even do commentary There's a small handful of people in the world that are qualified to do MMA commentary at a top level

It was a big problem Yeah, a big big problem with other organizations. It made them almost unwatchable because the announcing would just be so terrible. I mean, nowadays I feel like there was a while where I thought you and Goldberg were the only team who can do MMA without me just wanting to mute it. But actually, now they've got the alternate teams have gotten fairly strong.

Brian Stan's really good. Brian Stan's excellent. Dan Hardy's excellent. Dan Hardy's really good, yeah. There's a lot of people that can do my job now. But back then, there was a small handful. And by the way, there are a lot of people that can do my... Other than Jimmy Smith, who's really good, who works for Bellator.

Jimmy Smith's excellent. He's as good as me, easy. He's as good as anybody. He's fantastic. He knows his shit. He's a real fan. He's a smart guy. He's easy to listen to.

He calls things right. I's a real fan. He's a smart guy. He's easy to listen to. He calls things right. I'm a big Jimmy Smith fan. But other than him, outside of the UFC, who do you got? Outside of the UFC, there's not really much, unless there's some unknown guys I don't know of, which is definitely possible. But in the UFC, there's several guys now. You've got Kenny Florian, you've got Brian Stann, you've got Dan Hardy. There's plenty of people who can do it now. But they work for the UFC. So someone like HBO wanted to have their own team. You can't just get sports guys.

You just can't do that because they're not going to understand what the fuck's going on when the fight goes to the ground. And they're going to miss things and it's going to be sloppy. You can't have that. You have to have someone who understands and you have to have someone who can talk. It's like when you watch old school MMA, it's one of the craziest things about it that you it's being announced by people who don't understand the sport so you literally hear Them saying things like why is he tapping yeah? Yeah, you get you definitely get a lot of that well used to get a lot of that from judges Which is really crazy have a friend of mine is a friend of mine who's a judge and in the middle of fight this woman Who's also a judge looked over and go she goes?

What is he doing is someone had someone in a judge looked over and she goes what is he doing someone had someone in a kimura she's like what is he doing what's going on over there like she's a professional judge at the highest level in the ufc and she had no and this was four years ago five years ago so yeah but this is why i'm against all those commissions well yes and no you definitely need commissions because if you don't have commissions and you don't have medical staff on team, you don't have strict standards. You have to have some government. Especially with something like combat sports. Because there's too many fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants organizations that don't do medical screenings.

People could die. Well, I think you have to have, certainly, the companies would have to be held responsible for that stuff. Yeah, but you can't just leave it up to the companies. Can the athletes suffer? If there's no medical coverage right there, you can't have an event like an MMA event where you're putting literally your health and your life in the hands of these people that are supposed to have all their ducks in a row so they can run this event. And whether or not you even get paid is in question.

See, because these guys don't have any power, the fighters. They don't have enough influence, especially on a small local level, small shows. So I'm a big fan of how California does it. Like I said, I'm a big fan of that Andy Foster guy. I think he's as good as it gets when it comes to heads of athletic commissions. But I think that you have to have a bond where you have the money that pay the fighters before you can put on an event. That should be mandatory. Because have you ever done shows where you haven't gotten paid?

Yeah, I have. It's fucking horrible, man. Yeah, it's not fun. It's frustrating. No question. Especially when you know that there was an audience there and they laughed. So there's money exchanged, but where's my money? Oh, yeah.

Because you don't even have a show if you don't have the show part of the show i had i had one ride to fly myself out to it i didn't get paid and like there were people there the club was oh it's brutal it's brutal do you ever get paid no never never this day there's a gig me and uh me and big j no we're both on the gig together both of us didn't get paid i was opening for him years ago i both like i was opening for him but believe me it probably hurt me more the money I mean we both needed our money but at the moment I was like fucking broke but I will say then you also deal with a lot of other shit

when you get these government regulatory bodies like with the Vegas was it the Vegas commission that handed Nick Diaz which I mean has there ever if you the guy moved up a weight class and fought the greatest of all time at that weight class who tested positive for steroids. Yeah. And they found out he had trace amounts of THC in his system.

And he passed a couple tests, right? He passed the most stringent tests available. He passed two WADA tests, two World Anti-Doping Agency tests. There were blood tests. They're much more particular. And then he failed a urine test that the Nevada State Athletic Commission, but he says it's bullshit. And like

the WADA people say it's bullshit. The WADA people are like, look, there's no... And then they wouldn't test sample B. There was like some issues with testing of sample B or allowing the tests of sample B. And they tried to ban them for five years. I gave out the Nevada State Athletic Commission's phone number. I put it out on Twitter.

Everybody called them. They were fucking pissed. They were pissed, but I was like, fuck you. Well, there were like petitions online and stuff like that. They should be fired, and then they should be locked in jail. Yeah. The amount of incompetence that you have to have to think that you're going to take away a guy's athletic career for trace amounts of marijuana in his system and not examine the two water tests that showed that he was clean. Oh, it's just so disgusting.

Fuck you. And this guy who, you know, Nick Diaz, who came from nothing and made a career of himself, doing something positive with his life. Not only that, it's just pot. Trying to ruin him. It's just pot. And he fought a guy with his life it's just ruin him it's just pot he fought a guy on steroids yes exactly and it's just the greatest ever on roids yeah you should just you should you should say I'm so sorry that we let a guy on steroids fight against you here's some more pot exactly don't sue us exactly I mean the idea that you can just go in there and run an organization like that and tell those people that are fighting that their future's fuck like what they did to vanderley silva is

arguably even more disgusting vanderley silva ran away from a drug test okay not good definitely shouldn't do that but they banned him for life. He's never tested positive ever ever abandoned for life Yeah, it's insane. That's beyond fuck. That's tyranny Well, it's a this guy the guy the cops killed in Baltimore that guy Freddie Gray like essentially what he did was he ran They didn't have anything on him right they weren't like there to arrest him He saw cops and ran and it's like a weird dynamic where you're like running It may be a little suspicious, but it's not itself a crime. Right.

Right. Yeah. Like, how can there be such a hard punishment for running? Yeah. You just. Well, I mean, it just seems strange. Which was the one when the guy ran away and they shot him and then threw a taser on the ground? That was a different one.

That was in North Carolina. And I think there was a little bit more. Maybe you're right. Maybe it was one of those. I always want to go with South Carolina because I'm I'm from the north I'm gonna say oh so South Carolina ones that are all fucked up the North Carolina people North Carolina would never never but didn't it it did turn out that he was like he had the cop's taser or something like that right in that in that one no the cop threw the taser on the ground is that what it was I don't remember this story exactly there's a video the cop chucking the taser on the ground is that what it was I don't remember this story exactly there's a video the cop chucking the taser on the ground after he shot

him like zips a up caught him he had a weapon yeah like what a lot of shady shit there's something about that balance too of where like if you if a cop is it is you know if a cop grabs your arm and you like yank it away so you're like assault resisting arrest you're gonna you're you're fucked now but the cops can like beat a dude with a nightstick half to death and then they're like well we thought he might have been going for someone's gun yeah yeah it's dark man it's it's and also cops just like everything else we're talking about in government they're people and they vary and there's going to be people that are awesome cops and i i personally think that it's one of the most difficult jobs a person can do and psychologically the the idea's going to be people that are awesome cops. I personally think that it's one of the most difficult jobs a person can do.

And psychologically, the idea of going to work every day where all the people you deal with are going to be lying to you and up to something and hate you. Well, did you follow at all what happened, I guess, a year and a half ago now in New York where the NYPD had essentially a quasi-shutdown? Yes. And I think what you're saying is absolutely true. I mean, it's, it's, and, and I think what you're saying is absolutely true. I mean, I think it's an incredibly difficult job and, and a lot of that is because of the rules we have, which are kind of crazy. I mean, the idea of having to police drug use is a very difficult position to put someone in because I mean, obviously first and foremost, it's a horrible thing to do to throw someone in a cage

for putting something into their body. But it's a very weird thing when there's no complainant. It's two people who are making a voluntary transaction. And now you've got to go and, like, SWAT raid and find them. This guy's giving a bag of something to another person. Go get them. So for people who don't know, there was after that Eric Gardner guy got choked out and choked to death. I don't know how you'd put it. But he didn't and choked to death in a,

or I don't know how you put it, but he didn't get choked to death. I'm sorry. I shouldn't say that. He had like a heart attack. Yeah. He had a heart attack while getting tackled down for allegedly selling Lucy's. Yeah. Loose cigarettes.

Nothing. So there were a bunch of protests and then a couple, two cops got shot in Brooklyn by some maniac. I think he was from Baltimore. And he drove up. He tweeted he was going to do it. And then drove up and shot two cops who never saw it coming. This poor guy just got killed on the job. And then as a result of that, they had like an official, unofficial, what they called an NYPD slowdown.

And one of the, it was a spokesman for the police union. He said in, I believe it was the New York Post. He said, as a result of this shooting, the cops will only be making arrests when absolutely necessary. Whoa. That's what he said, which was weird. Like, shouldn't they always be doing that? Yeah. Anyway.

So they, but arrests went down like 80%. Or at least it was maybe like 60%. 66. 66. Okay. That's what we have here. And least it was maybe like 60% 66. Okay. So we have here. And then it was like nonviolent tickets and bullshit arrests were down like 90%. Like they were just basically not doing that anymore. And there was this beautiful like month and a half long period where the,

the NYPD just wasn't doing what they do. They weren't over policing everybody. And then they started cracking the whip to get them to go back to do it Because evidently a lot of money is raised by these you know, that's the issue Glorified revenue collectors. There's a lot of revenue that gets gathered up in kind of fucking devious ways like I've always been disgusted by parking tickets like why This the city owns this fucking spot where you can leave a car? And you have to give them money to leave a car and that's how they gather up millions of dollars and they become addicted to

That gathering of the millions of dollars right? That's fucking crazy. You can't do that man. You can't you can't Oh, it's a horrible way to fund a sister imagine by the way just being that guy Yeah, just being the guy who's going out just giving tickets. You just go around ruining people's day all day long. That was a friend of mine. My friend Brian used to do that. That must be a fucking weird- It's bad for your brain. Oh, I'd imagine it has to be.

I mean, imagine some of these people, man, who are literally working lower class jobs and have families to pay for, and you're just going to go hand them a fucking $100 ticket for nothing. $100 ticket $100 ticket because your meter expired by two minutes he didn't give us enough money and it's like changing his laundry or something and you know let it go for a few minutes yeah i mean i get the idea that you you shouldn't have cars that are blocking the street you should definitely give people tickets if they're doing something that obstructs it or tow them but to just leave a car on the

street you have to pay money yeah i mean look i have i have a problem with the way government raises almost all revenue i mean i just i reject the whole system of of like taxation at the threat of violence i think it's like primitive and barbaric and when when human beings look back on that it's going to be the way we look back at like slavery or arranged marriage or whatever it is that the idea that the way we fund our organization you know like like let's say there are these services that are necessary so the way we fund that is we go uh you have to pay a portion of your income or we'll fucking throw you in jail yeah we'll put you in a cage lock you in a cage like an animal this is like that's the biggest thing um when i'm arguing now with people about like libertarianism versus other you know ways that we should organize society that's my biggest thing

that i just i i harp on is just uh like okay who should we throw in a cage who is it morally acceptable to throw into a cage forcefully like send men with guns to get them and throw them into a cage like i'll grant you a murderer a rapist someone who assaults somebody okay yeah maybe we go into like theft yeah yeah things like that because because that is a violation of you know you own yourself and then you own your your possession so that's a violation but are you are you really okay if someone's like oh i don't want to fund that program i won't like i won't send my money in to fund the war because i don't believe in the war so now we can throw that guy in a cage yeah or i don't want to i don't want to fund the war because I don't believe in the war. So now we can throw that guy in a cage.

Or I don't want to fund a... Look, even if you have a really noble charity, why should you be able to threaten violence against someone to get them to fund it? Well, that's where I like Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson steps in and says, we don't need the IRS. It's like, listen, we don't need... That's not how we have to make money, which put taxes on consumption. I like Gary Johnson. I wish he would be a little more Ron Paul but I he's away I

just feel like Gary Johnson has this way of selling the libertarianism as this kind of like well you know it's more practical if we do it the libertarian way huh whereas I like you know when he's asked about the wars he'll say uh he'll say things like um he goes i think if you look on average these military interventions have hurt more than they have helped that is exactly how he sounds that's a really good impression yeah i've watched a lot of them well so my only by the way that's not necessarily incorrect it's just like who who would talk about mass murder that way? It's like talking about slavery.

And you're like, well, I just think overall this is an inefficient way to get cotton. Jesus, dude. And you're head abolitionist? Really? You're supposed to represent the abolitionist movement with that attitude. So he's like a moderate radical Yeah, he's just a pragmatist man. He's just like this this makes more sense, which is just fine Yeah, but I don't really want to sell libertarianism is like I think we're fiscally conservative and socially liberal He's like a he's a bridge because he was a lifelong

Republican like he's a good bridge to getting people to consider an alternative party maybe one of the only ones that's currently available see i believe in a little bit more like a case for radicalism i think that um so ron paul when he was in the 2007 2008 debates he got a whole lot of people interested in libertarianism. And he didn't do it by being like a bridge to like, before I tell you, you know, slavery is horribly immoral, let me first convince you it's inefficient and ineffective. And then he went right to like, this is wrong.

This is wrong. We're killing people in countries around the world. Like, this is morally horrible. And he got a movement going when he was in those debates. You know, Gary Johnson was in one of the major debates in 2012. Do you remember anything from his performance? Because nobody ever does. Nobody ever does. Because he'll go in there and say things like, in New Mexico, I was able to balance the budget with cutting 7%. You have the greatest political philosophy ever devised by man behind you. Libertarian. You have the greatest political philosophy ever devised by man behind you.

Libertarian. You have the answer to all this shit. You're the abolitionist in slavery times. So you really feel libertarianism is the answer to everything? Well, no, no, no. It's not in the same way that abolition isn't the answer to everything during slavery. It's the first moral step to then we can live in what about libertarianism is so attractive to you uh i mean i just the i think it's philosophically sound and it's it's basically

just uh to me it's it's a humble understanding of what existence is that we don't really know what this is man's kind of born into the world naked and we're here with nature and we're all trying to figure it out. And that morally speaking, we should all own our own lives and therefore own your own body. And basically it all centers around property rights and the non-aggression principle,

which is just the idea that you should never initiate violence against a non-violent person. And then you just draw conclusions from that. Well, those are all really standard points in libertarianism to get brought up all the time but why is it that libertarianism even though it's so attractive to like young intelligent guys like you why is it that that has never caught hold in a mainstream way as an alternative third party because it really the you've had

like people like that run as independents that get a little bit of momentum But it's always people always look at it like well, that's never gonna work out. He's not really gonna get there You know vote for Hillary right? She has a chance. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think there's a game and there's you know, it's it's There's like a the government is a power center and it's in their interest to continue having power. And I think usually most people are much more, if they get close to that power, they're much more incentivized to try to expand it and try to keep it than to

at any point say, guys, you know, it'd be a lot more moral if we, we didn't have this. And, you know, I mean,

it's like, why did slavery persist for so long? Cause you know, it's a, it's a good way to get cotton without having to work. Yeah. I mean, people are getting rich off this thing. They certainly are.

But I wonder how much time it has left. It seems like it's a reoccurring thing that comes up over and over again when people talk about the problems that we have with running society the way we're currently doing it. It's that this two-party system is just so preposterous. It's so ridiculous to say that you have these two groups, and they're both funded by the same people, competing against each other allegedly, but yet nothing changes, and that this is the system and this is the only way to do it.

How come you can't have 100 different systems and ideas? What is this grand old party? What's the idea of there being a leader for 320 million people? I mean none of it makes any sense. It's all key and an elephant It's also and then so weird how there's this big like this big show about how much they hate each other But then they just come together over the most important issues Yeah, you know betrayed when I see like Clinton laughing it up with Bush. I'm like, what the fuck are you guys laughing about? How many people died when you were in office?

That's right. And how the media's angle on it, well, and you know, there'll be MSNBC or Fox News who supposedly hate each other. But when you see all the presidents together, they're all kind of celebrating it. They're like, it's nice that we could all come together

and have this toast. Like, what? What is this? I thought, so you're all full of shit and how is it that you know you have these things where so so the republicans hate obama obama hates the republicans they both think the other one's the reason why the country's falling apart but then when like you know something like the ndaa bill where he says he can arrest american citizens with no charges and hold them indefinitely we all just get together and sign that oh that's fine

and the media that's not even like that big of a deal. Like they just passed a law that said they can arrest you with that. Like we just over the whole idea that you have rights. We just overthrew that in one in one bill. And but, you know, that'll get like a mention here or there. You have to understand that that won't be used. Don't worry about it. That's all for terrorists.

That's my favorite. Obama actually he put in a signing statement when he signed it into law he said and i guess this was to like appease the the liberal activists who maybe would be a little upset with him but he said my administration has uh no plans of of detaining american citizens but we want to let you know that we read your emails yeah fuck with us just so you know hard yeah it's like who's with that? What's just frustrating for, I think, everybody, that nothing changes and that this two-party system was in place when we were kids. It's in place now and it's quite possibly it'll be in place 50 years from now when we're dead.

I don't know. I do think something is changing in this election cycle. And I don't know that it's purely a positive force, but there's definitely something going on. I mean, if you look at what's going on with Trump, and I'm no fan, but it is a moment. Trump is having a real moment, and he is kind of tearing down this matrix. And Bernie also had an interesting moment. It's very interesting that they always, the powers that be kind of decide who these people are going to be. And it does seem like this year people are really rejecting that on play in the Super Bowl because there's some sort of a strike amongst really good players. It really seems

like that. I mean, come on, man. You're telling me that Donald Trump is the best we can do? Or Hillary Clinton, like you were talking about before. I mean, how many, just as comedians, like how many like charismatic, just interesting people, like do you know? Just the show you do, it's so many

different like really smart interesting people you said they're like you're telling me we can't find one yeah who want but i think like you said before the real problem is that a good person or any type of honest person would right away go no i can't rule 320 million people not only that you would never get to that position because you would be compromised every step of the way and then you would become what they are yeah the only i mean it's a really rigged game and it's rigged through lobbyists and special interest groups and money and campaign funds by the time you get to that position unless you're bernie sanders or donald trump and that's what makes it interesting because

they're the only two people that represents two completely new paradigms. You have Bernie, who is this weird socialist-type character, Democratic socialist character. And then you have Trump, who's like the ultimate capitalist. And both people represent entirely new groups. Because Donald Trump is essentially, at least partially, self-funded. And now he's trying to get money. Well, he's already the nominee, though. I mean, he's cemented. So it's an interesting position where he's trying to get money and there's well he's already the nominee though i mean he's he's cemented so it's it's an interesting position where he's going to get some support yes but so far basically trump and sanders both found a way to do it without taking corporate money

trump found a way to speak over the media and get the media to keep him in their 24-hour news cycle yeah manipulated the shit out of everybody but they're both i mean i gotta say they're not i i don't look at while their personalities very different. I don't know if anything about their policies are actually like diametrically opposed. I think they're both kind of populists in a lot of ways. Like Bernie Sanders has more of an ideology, like this is my philosophy on what government should do. And Trump's just kind of like, well, let's let it rip. But they're both kind of like, let me tell you what you want to hear to the crowd. Well, Trump is a carnival barker and you know, he talks about that in the art of the deal I mean his his whole style of

Campaigning is it's all mapped out in his books where he talks about this larger-than-life Persona that he's created in order to make himself a public figure in order to make himself more wealthy more Popular and more able to get things done. I mean, this is like a strategy. Yeah. This whole thing that he's doing, like, and I called him, we're going to make that wall 10 feet higher. Like, that's all like carnival barker shit. But it's amazing that he's stepped into the game of politics and almost ripped it open

from the inside, where he's like, I'm just talking like a dude. Yeah. I'm not even doing, and I don't know how Hillary Clinton's going to handle this guy. Well, how about when he was talking about how big his dick is? Well, he, to be fair, he just said there's no problem. No, look, it's amazing. He was insinuating that someone was insinuating that he had small hands, so he had a small penis.

And I just, I want to let you know, there's no problems there. He made a, I have a big dick. So here's what happened, right? This guy, this was like, I think a couple decades ago, okay? There was this guy who worked for Vanity Fair, and he wrote something about Trump having small hands. And Trump sent him a picture, like headshots of his hands. And a note being like, I don't have small hands. Like, he actually responded to him.

And this was out there. Like, I heard some people talk about this. So Marco Rubio knew if he went at his hands, this would get to him. It makes sense because his hands aren't small. No. But for whatever reason, he said something. He goes, Marco Rubio said he's got small hands and you know what they say about guys with small hands. And this is the maniac that is Donald Trump.

He couldn't not bring that up. So the next debate, he goes, and by the way, he said, I have small hands. And look at these hands. They're pretty good. Am I right? And just so you know, he couldn't stop there. And just so you know, he implied that because of these small hands, that means something else is small. And I promise you, there's no problem there.

Yeah, it was very bizarre. I mean, I guess his fingers are relatively short. They're not great. But there's nothing weird where you'd have to comment about it. They're not presidential hands. I'll say that. What's a president? Abe Lincoln probably has some long ass crazy hands.

Abe Lincoln's crazy. Look at him. I mean, it's a weird thing to criticize, though, because you're talking about something that someone can't change. It's like making fun of someone's ears when they're running for president. It's a weird thing to criticize though because you're talking about something that someone can't change It's like making fun of someone's ears when they're running for president. Okay, all bizarre Yeah, but it's very strange It's a but it is a tell to Donald Trump that he can't not address it Like if you if you put that out there, he's gotta come back. Yeah, but it worked the promise his comeback was effective

Yeah, so then he wins So Marco Rubio Marco Rubio who's just this weird mama's boy looking putts like like he's just doesn't have any charisma When he would like be good jabbing back and forth with Trump like dude, you're an amateur like he's gonna chew you up He's used to being criticized. He's used to being arrogant. He's used to shutting people down. Yeah Well, that to bark over you. That's another one of my issues with Gary Johnson is that I just feel like, man, if the LP wants to do something, if the libertarian, you know, if they want to have a moment here and you're telling me the hope is if we can get to 15% in the polls, then we get into a debate. And I have to overlook the fact that this guy was already in a debate that nobody remembers because he didn't do anything. And now he's got to go debate Trump.

Right. Trump. You got to send someone who's got some type of. Well, he's going to be in the debates, though. Right. Gary Johnson. No, he's got to get 15 percent. He's got a poll.

And he's got to get into the polls. Then he's got to get 15 percent in the polls. It's a whole fucking thing. Right. And they also have to choose which polls. But I don't think they find him threatening. It might actually be smart for them to allow him in to expose. I mean, I think both sides would probably think that he would expose something that the other side has and both sides would probably be under

the impression there's an opportunity to capitalize on it. Well, I think the left side, because he's a lifelong Republican, sees him as more likely to peel away votes from Trump. Yeah. So in a weird way, I think they want him in there because they want to hand it to Hillary. So he might be able to take advantage of some of that, but I don't know. I think they, even though this is a whole different year, they really like the control on the two-party system.

The last time a third party really made any noise was Ross Perot, and they changed all the rules after that guy got out of there. Commission for like presidential debates that's right it used to be like the uh women the league of women voters or whatever used to run it and then that now just the democrats and republicans right like they were like let's never let that happen again yeah they fucked up they let that a crazy old billionaire buy time on tv remember that yep you're being hoodwink i'll show you how yeah you don't want some crazy old Texas billionaire on television in the 1980s or whatever the fuck it was.

It's just, it's one of those things to me where I don't see how it's going to change. I look and I go, boy, they can just keep running this fucking game for another four years and another four years and it'll keep going. And then we'll be like 70 going, what the fuck, man? See, I don't think so i think i think we're we're on the verge of of the collapse and i don't know exactly where verge is

like i don't know you know how much longer president trump might do it maybe maybe but if you i think if you look at a few kind of like fundamentals we're in the process of an empire falling. Like the far, far too expanded militarily, drowning in debt. And if you really look at the debt, I mean, it's not just the 19 trillion, there's like over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, like all these Medicare and Social Security and all these programs, they're, they're all going to blow up. We've, we've also got, you know, just trillions and trillions of dollars that are extended being held at these big banks that there's all these factors. And also look at the moral kind of like, uh, the cultural decay kind of going on that Trump, I think kind of embodies.

I think there's a lot of indicators that were in the, in the crash process. He embodies the cultural decay in that one sense. And on the other sense, you've got the cultural decay by social justice warriors and people who are super oversensitive, who Ralph Nader is rallying against now. Ralph Nader, I pulled this up on Twitter today. Ralph Nader was

saying that men today are oversensitive because they never had to deal with the draft. He's like, you guys are complaining about nothing. This is nonsense. Good for Ralph Nader, man. Look at this. ever had to deal with the draft he's like you're you guys are complaining about nothing like this is nonsense good for ralph nader man look at this this ralph nader on trigger warnings young men are far too sensitive because they've never been in a draft isn't that fucking hilarious they're talking about trigger warnings but trigger trigger warnings make me want to fucking hit somebody

it really does oh it's insanity it makes me, it's so fucking stupid that you're supposed to protect people. First of all, that does not even have trigger works. Triggers work by like being in a place where something bad happened to you or hearing a sound or seeing a thing. It's not bringing up the act of. Like if someone says, you know, murder. Oh, my dad was murdered. That's a trigger warning. Why didn't you warn me?

The trigger hit me. Like that's not how, but that's the whole It's a trigger warning. Why didn't you warn me the trigger hit me like that's out But that's the whole world's gonna trigger you then then every fucking piece of media every movie every television show has a potential for being a trigger warning so really and like it's not as if like I Just hate people and I don't care if you're triggered and you know deal with your past like I think we have a big epidemic Of soldiers coming back suffering from PTSD. I'd like to not send them to wars so we don't have to deal with this. But the idea that we should, we should change, we should like nerf foam the world in case you're triggered. So a college now can't explore anything they want to, because what if someone had something violent in their

past happen? And then it seems to be a very convenient thing where, you know, like the feminists or the social justice warriors are like policing rape jokes in the comedy community but they don't ever seem to be policing like a war joke or you know it's like they don't seem to care about men being triggered and uh like you're saying it's mostly just infantile bullshit it's just these you know privileged kids on college campuses who are like, want to shut down a conservative speaker from talking. It's really insanity. Yeah, it's so fucking, the way they're doing is rabid. It's like they're so frothy at the mouth and so taken away with the idea that they're doing some incredible right and this has to be done and this this justice must prevail and Transgender people should be able to use the women's room without you know any questioning whatsoever about where they stand like there's some weirdness going on

Today that is like what we were talking about when people are young when you can send them to war Then when you send these young people to war that they don't they don't really have enough data yet Well, there's a lot of that going on where there's a social war, and these people don't have a lot of data either. And they're just furious and foaming at the mouth. And when it all is said and done, the dust settles. When they're older, they're probably not even going to be on that team anymore. You know, you're probably going to wise up and realize how fucking goofy those people

you're hanging around with are who are getting mad at white people for wearing dreadlocks. Oh, my God. Social social appropriation cultural appropriation it's like listen we all hate white people in dreadlocks but you've actually made me someone i hate more than white people in dreadlocks that's how much you've fucked up not only that you don't even know where dreadlocks came from first of all white people have had dreadlocks throughout history well that's what you when you were comparing the kind of cultural decay from the Trump supporters and the social justice warriors, I do see a lot of it just rooted in like anti-intellectualism. I mean, there's just like no, it doesn't matter. You don't need to know anything.

Right. All you need. I mean, they will shut down a Christina Hoff Summers speech. Yes. Who, but I think she's amazing. I saw you did a great podcast with her. But the, I mean, she is. She's a feminist.

She's a liberal. She's a liberal feminist who's just going oh by the way your data is a little off yes and they're like a rape apologist exactly she just talks about the facts and she she calls herself a factual feminist that's her statement right and there's there's something wrong with telling people they have things wrong to them i mean this is how crazy the left has gotten. Because you're 20 and you figured everything out, evidently. Well, it's just noise. There's a lot of noise. And sometimes in those noise, there's some important points on

both sides. But boy, there's a whole lot of noise too. And it's a lot of arguing, a lot of yelling gets done and not a lot of progress gets made. Just people dig in their heels, and they take a side, and they draw a line in the sand. And you've got the people on the right and the people on the left. Yeah, like you said at the beginning, it becomes a big team identity thing. And then it's just justifying the position you're already in. So you're just looking for kind of confirmation bias, like my team's right or my team's right. Yeah, and why is everybody so goddamn sensitive?

Like, the gender pronoun thing is so fucking bananas. Like, you should know that if you're a dude and you look like a woman, okay, that people are going to get that wrong on occasion. Like, okay, what do you look like, okay? Do you look like Catherine Zeta-Jones in a bikini well if you do people are going to say her and if they say her that's not a bad thing oh you're assuming my gender you know there's people out there that they think that you should

name your dog gender neutral names because your dog can't decide like this is a real debate amongst feminists and social justice warriors who have animals whether or not they should impose their stereotypes they have on human beings, on their dogs and cats. Yeah, but there's something, look, and it's just insanity, but I feel like there's something like on these college campuses that's almost like that's housing that. Like they're letting them develop these ridiculous ideas. And I'll tell you, I think part of it, I really blame the college professors for a lot of this because I think these are also people who have, a lot of them have lived in college

their entire lives. They're people who go to college and then just stay in college and they, they get post, you know, graduate degrees and then they, they teach and they're kind of letting this happen and no one's going like, okay, shut up. That's not a real issue. Like, look, I'm all for like, I'm a completely return. You should be able to, if you, if you have a doctor who's willing to perform a surgery on you and you want to if you if you have a doctor who's willing to Perform a surgery on you, and you want to identify as her instead of him. I'll call you her cuz who cares I'm not gonna call you Z. No, that's fucking ridiculous I thought was sir But you also can't even if I'm willing to call you something you can't make it a huge issue if not

Everybody is willing to call you that yeah, this isn't We're seeing yours here. Have you seen here h-i-r that's yeah i feel like there's like 18 of those now yeah like lgbtq is not even close to all the letters that are on that thing anymore well how about in new york they're gonna find businesses if they intentionally misgender you like you can get sued and fined for like a quarter million dollars if you don't call someone z yeah see and this, and this is where it becomes like a real fucking problem. It's like, okay, you know what? You guys can have your little fun and games and your safe space on college campus all you want to.

But now you start bringing in the forceful arm of government to actually go fuck over a business owner who's trying to provide jobs and, you know, feed his kids. But even it becomes a problem even in colleges. Because what if you don't subscribe to those ideologies you got to go to school with these monkeys and they're all running around insisting their their pronoun is z h e e and if you don't say it you're a shit lord like whoa yeah well it's also real scary the fact that if you've ever you know had a drunken hookup you're a rapist oh yeah which is by the way only the man only the man. Only the man. Yes, of course. And that's what happened at Occidental here. And when we talked about on the podcast with Professor Renegade History, Thaddeus Russell.

Thaddeus Russell, who's brilliant, brilliant guy. And we were talking about how incredible it is that they find a way to justify two people hooking up with text messages with a girl saying, come on over, bring condoms. They have sex, and the guy is the one who's a rapist because they were both drunk. That's insane. The guy got kicked out of school, and he's still in the middle of lawsuits. Oh, it's insane, but it's also like a fascinating glimpse into how you see things, because it's weird how you, it's almost like these guys come back to be the caricature of what the 1950s chauvinist was supposed to be, assuming that women are these fragile, delicate creatures who can't handle the same thing a man can. It's like you're really being the sexist here.

Exactly. I always say like all those guys who would, like I remember there was a big thing on your show when Jamie Kilstein was on about the Tosh rape joke. But I always wonder when, and I've argued with a few people like that, who I do, now, by the way, I'm not throwing this out in the stupid way that it's thrown out when they go more men are raped than women are raped. That's not, but why is it, seeing as that is a fact, prison included and stuff like that, why is it that every time you think of this scenario where someone's triggered from a rape joke, it's always a woman.

You're always like, what if there's a woman in the crowd who's been triggered? Or what if this, like, it's never a concern that it could be a man who could be triggered. Well, it's because we're tribal. It's always a woman. You're always like, what if there's a woman in the crowd who's been triggered? What if this, it's never a concern that it could be a man who could be triggered. It's because we're tribal and we break off into male versus female teams. And if the males

are the rapists on both accounts, men are raping the women and they're raping the men. See, I told you men are shit. They're raping each other. Right. But no one seems to feel

for that rape victim of a man. No, because they're men. Exactly. Because they're on the wrong team. Oh, dude. You're on the shit lord team. Kurt made this up.

Did you ever see the Law and Order episode? Nope. I'll tell you now. No. Definitely. I've never seen any Law and Order. I've never watched that show. Do you hear they did the one on stand-up comics and rape jokes?

No. Dude, it's... No, they didn't. It's the worst thing that's ever been made. Oh, my God. Dude, it's not even like you can't even believe how bad it is until you see it it's like this this this guy makes a rape joke at a comedy club and of course it kills because that's what happens when you tell a woman in the crowd you hope she gets raped

everyone just laughs at the top of the anyway and then uh and then by the end then she gets raped after that because he made the rape joke it leads to rape and then i'll do you one better at the end he's actually the rapist the guy telling the rape joke turns out to be the way it was like the most ridiculous Irresponsible thing ever and uh Kurt Kurt Metzger made this point I just think it's so fucking funny, but he goes don't think threaten men with rape on every episode of that show Like every episode they're like you better start talking men like you don't do very good in prison And you're like well really you're not going to just go clean that up. You're going to threaten me with it.

You're going to use that as a negotiation tactic. That's so fun. What's such a shitty show? Those shows are all shit. Every one of those crime shows. What the fuck is it about America where we want to watch hospital shows and police shows? That's all we want to watch. We want to watch people that are in trouble,

someone's trying to hide from the law, or someone that's worried that mom's not going to make it. And they're holding her hand, and the doctor's working furiously, and a young, handsome doctor, he leaves after 16 hours, and he's sweaty, he takes his hand, and then another guy comes in with a gunshot wound, back to work.

Wow, so noble. Cut to, you know, commercials for fucking Thai deodorant and whatever So they shampoo and fucking Toyota trucks and everybody goes to sleep Wake up in the morning up time to consume. We are a weird fucking people with a weirdest thing We're the weirdest thing it's because collectively you have to look at us as what we are as a giant super organism Like what are we doing? We look at ourselves inside of our culture and our belief systems and our actions

and what gets done and the pollution of the environment. But overall, what is the species doing when you're looking at it as an outsider? If you were completely removed from culture, completely removed from tradition and communication, and you just looked at us as like some weird organism. Like, what is it trying to do? What's just making better stuff all the time.

That's all it's doing. And all this other stuff that it does is just to distract it while it's making better stuff. All these little chicken dances and peacock feathers and all the fucking weird noises it makes and virtue signaling. I have a mattress and I'm carrying it around. So my rapist is brought to justice. All that madness and all the arguing and all the craziness that's going on is just a distraction while it's making better and faster computers.

Yeah. That's all it is. It's creating an artificial life form and it's going to do it under this guise of Christianity and Islam and all these different things. It's like, oh no, Islam's the way. Oh no, Christians are the way. Meanwhile, he's a robot, a robot overlord that the switch is about to get

turned on and you're fucked. You're all fucked. It's going to wipe you out. It's the evolutionary game of numbers we were saying before. So you need to throw all these people out to get a tiny percentage that will be geniuses that will keep this thing moving. and then you need the rest of us are basically just waste it's like hey you're just jerking off and watching some dumb reality show but if you keep fucking

and keep fucking eventually a genius will pop out who will move this thing forward a little bit and a little bit and then the robot we're essentially like a giant hive of worker ants with potential options like you really can write harry potter and break away from the rest of the worker ants with potential options. Like, you really can write Harry Potter and break away from the rest of the worker ants. You really can have a kid that's a fucking math genius because you dropped him on his head when he was a baby. You don't want to tell anybody why this kid's so fucking good at math. There's a lot of that going on, man. And those little fuckers grow up to be like some Elon Musk character that starts making

electric cars in a hyperloop that gets you to San Francisco in three minutes minutes there's some weird shit happening and it's all happening like exponentially all around us all the time adding up while we're worried about trigger warnings and whether or not trannies can use the fucking men's room or the women's room and like that whole particularly i mean that's angry that whole culture on the left of whatever you want to call it, like the social justice warrior, people call it the regressive left. I like that term a lot. I like that term. But it really is just insanity. I was watching recently, did you ever see the 30 for 30 on the Duke Lacrosse scandal?

I mean, it's amazing. First off, that accusation, it's not like it was a gray area or like they had sex and she was a little drunk or they had like nothing happened. They didn't have sex. This crazy person who's in jail for murder now made something up. And it's interesting to watch it. And like looking back, you know that what happened, you know, she made it up. Seeing the social justice warriors protest these guys and the white knights, the dudes who are hanging out right next to the feminist chick going, these lacrosse guys are out of control and they should go to jail. And you're like, dude, nothing fucking happened.

How about Nancy Grace? Nancy Grace never even took any heat for that. She was on TV calling for their arrest. On TV accusing them of this in front of millions and millions of people and somehow or another she didn't get sued Somehow or another she didn't get brought to judge. They should have pulled her fucking show off air I mean, what what does it take to get fired? He takes being a man if she was a man doing the exact same thing about a woman doing something horrible Oh, I bet you're right

There's a team of women and that did something terrible that were alleged to have done something terrible and she was Ranting and or he was ranting and raving about these women being brought to justice and brought to jail and turns out it was there was no crime being committed at all you'd have to apologize you would she didn't even have to apologize she didn't do shit i can't remember who the other reporter um you remember at the end of the documentary this is the one who apologizes but she actually she goes like she um she's like look i she she apologized and she wrote a thing like an apology to them Oh, no, then they cut back to the the articles that she was writing at the time and it's like this insane She's like these boys all know what happened and they know they're guilty and they need to be punished for this mama

And then she's even in acknowledging it She goes well, you know I do think the fact that I was sexually assaulted in college probably did come into play. Of course. And you're like, okay. You poor little fucking snowflake. Yes, well, guess what? Now you can't be a journalist anymore.

Well, not only that. I don't know what to tell you. What really happened in college? Do we know? Or are you calling sexual assault getting drunk and getting fucked? Right. Because that might have happened, too, because that's really acceptable to say today. Yeah.

And that's disturbing as fuck, man. And look, even if you were, even if she was even if she was completely you know in like legitimately sexually assaulted not any of these bullshit gray areas like it was an actual sexual assault the idea that you would you like you're covering a sexual assault case okay and you were sexually assaulted before so right away what an honest journalist would do would be recuse yourself you would go i can't really do this because i'm too emotionally invested in something that happened in my life but now to not do that you're covering this something that happened to you that you would have to be aware of i got to make sure i don't let that creep into my right professionalism but you're using that to try to you know justify to go after

these guys and then justifying it after it's been proven that it was incorrect well she did to her credit she did apologize once it was proven to be incorrect. But still, like you said, that's not enough. But didn't you say that in the apology, she was saying how she'd been sexually assaulted? She was kind of using that as an excuse almost. Yeah, you can't do that. It doesn't mean anything to these guys because they didn't do anything. So they're totally innocent.

Those are someone's babies. Someone's babies, young boys who grew up to be young men, and they didn't do shit. And you are writing stories saying that they know what they did. It's like if you were a therapist and you were seeing some 16-year-old kid and you told them to cut off all ties with their parents. And then it turned out their parents were really wonderful people. And you were like, you know, part of it might have been that my parents were really bad. So I told them to cut off. And you're like, well, then you can't be a shrink anymore. I don't know what to tell you but you're bad at your job yeah well that's cult

tactics right that's one of the big things they do is tell you to get away from your parents get away from your family that's a big one which to be fair a lot of people's families probably suck so it's really easy yeah it's easy if you if you saw most of the people who end up in cults i bet their families did really suck too they're lucky a lot of those people end up in cults, I bet their families did really suck too. They're lucky, a lot of those people that are in cults. They're lucky they're not sucking dick for cheeseburgers somewhere. A lot of them are just morons. Look, there's a frequency that some people operate on that's really easy to fucking hijack. There's a lot of people out there that are just dumb, and you're not going to fix that.

They're dull. They're dull-minded folk that really could be easily influenced And that's why democracy is such a fuck system to begin with because it's just play It's it's all everyone who's playing to that who can whip those people up and get on their frequency And then there's smart people that could be manipulated. They can be manipulated once they attach themselves to an ideology Yeah Like we were talking about like people on the left that are avoiding all the craziness about Hillary Like you had a quote that I really like that's on your Twitter to an ideology. Like we were talking about like people on the left that are avoiding all the craziness about Hillary.

Like you had a quote that I really liked that's on your Twitter. You know, that if like Hillary was a man that had done all the same things that she, what is the quote?

What is it? You're exactly. I say, I said, if Hillary was a male Republican with the exact same voting record, all of her supporters would hate her with a passion.

Yeah, it's true. And it's 100% true. 100% true. I passion yeah it's true and it's 100 true 100 true i mean it's not this is not controversial in any way or shape or form hillary is is you know i mean the stuff i was saying before but she's she's like courting the left she's courting people who are supposed to be liberals and you'll go she's supported every single war of my lifetime every single war well not only And they can get past that. She didn't support gay marriage up until

2013. Even their pet issues. Yeah, it's she's a weird one, man. She's a really, really weird one. That fucking Libya thing. We came, we saw, he died! Ha ha ha ha! Like, that's okay?

Like, are you kidding me? You remember when the fucking Vermont guy screamed? Howard Dean and that one yell did him in like that's it. They saw that and like fuck this guy We we came we saw he died Like that doesn't you don't think that lady's't, you don't think that lady's fucking crazy? You don't think that lady's fucking crazy? Oh, I mean. You're down for her? That is completely an ideology thing.

She's on your team. You're going to go along with it just like it's a religion, just like you're subscribing to some predetermined thing. It's just, it's weird for me to see. First of all, it's weird that she wants to be president. Like, aren't you old? Like, you're an old lady. How much energy do you have? You got a ton of money.

You just had your first grandkid. Where's your perspective? Like, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to make history as a woman? Is that what it is? I mean, do you want to just, like, get back at your husband for getting his dick sucked in 1991 or whatever the fuck it was?

Yeah, I mean, I don't even think it's that. I think it's, I mean, who knows? You know, I'm not in their head, You want to just like get back at your husband for getting his dick sucked in 1991 or whatever the fuck it was? Yeah. I mean, I don't even think it's that. I think it's, I mean, who knows? You know, I'm not in their head, but I think these people are like power brokers that just want more and more of it. And it's a real, it is probably a thrill unlike anything we could imagine to have that much power. And they've, they've tasted a little bit of that, you know? Yeah, it just seems to me that she's, like, so old that she would just want to chill. You know?

It just doesn't make any sense to me. She's an old lady. Like, she doesn't have good health. Like, that was the other thing they're concerned with. She had some health issues, right? Yeah. Didn't she have, like, concussions or something? Yeah.

How did she get hit in the head? I forget what it was, but it was when... Bill probably beat the fuck out of her. Imagine that. Turns out that Bill just wailed on her and she wants to keep it quiet. Bill fucking KO'd her. He head kicked her. I mean, he's been accused of violence. Wow. She has suffered from feigning spells since at least 2005. In

that year, she passed out, presumably sober while giving a speech. In 2012, she passed out yet again and suffered a concussion Holy fuck presumably sober is something that if they ever have to say it. It's just not good. You got issues We're always presumably sober But this idea that she fell asleep and hit her fucking head like when people fall and hit their head It's one of the worst things about getting knocked out is not getting punched in the head.

It's you falling down and getting hit in the head with the earth. Like their heads bounce off the ground. That's like a big issue in street fights and stuff. When you watch someone get sucker punched, they fall down and their head gets bounced off the curb. And I think people who have like epilepsy and things like that, like that's the big fear that what happens is that you end up cracking your head on the ground.

It's not just the seizures. Yeah, there's something, I don't know. You know, Hillary Clinton said recently, and this would probably be one of the tactics she tries to use against Trump, but she said something along the lines, she goes, you know, I just, I don't know if he's the type of guy we would want having control of the nuclear codes. I just I don't know if he's the type of guy we would want having control of the nuclear codes and it's just like an interesting thing to look at where you're like how crazy is it that any one person has control of those nuclear codes like we're just counting on one person to not snap to not kill the whole world to just yeah hopefully you don't ever just like I've had enough I'm fucking right well we know that people kill themselves, right? That alone should just disqualify human beings from having that kind of power. There are human beings capable of killing people Yes for no reason. Yes randomly. Yes. What about killing themselves all the time?

How often every day how many people a lot? Oh, oh, we can't have people run it. So let's have a person Who's a politician who's in the highest stress job imaginable. Let's have them just have control of those codes. Unfortunately, that is the green light for the robot overlords to take over because we can't trust people. Well, the robots are just going to be way more sober about this. They're going to make rational decisions based on logic and mathematics and possibilities and probabilities and the understanding of human race that we really can't

comprehend because we're just monkeys is this what you brains you bring me into your giver society that has come now I'm gonna bring you to one of those landmark meetings those landmark forum meetings yeah I think that's this entirely it's entirely possible that AI is gonna be how we dictate government in the future. Yeah. Allen Iverson's going to rule. Allen Iverson. No, I'm kidding.

The Blacks? Basketball player? They used to call him AI. Oh, AI. I'm joking. But yeah, it does seem like that'd be an interesting tipping point. I do feel like I'm more on the side of technology than on the side of being afraid of it. Oh yeah, me too. I just feel like it's more on the side of technology than on the side of being afraid of it Oh, yeah, I mean I just feel like it's gonna be more of a it's it's humans will be

Guiding it at least to a certain point and I think it's gonna make life a lot better I think we are some weird cnn me type character some weird fucking primitive life form that is really kind of Outdated and it's not gonna we're not gonna make it you think we it's not going to, we're not going to make it. You think we're going to have to combine? Yeah, we're going to symbiotic. We're going to become symbiotes. We're going to definitely have computer chips in our brain.

It'll start off with you'll be able to store your memories and share them with your grandchildren. All we have to do is install this chip and the next thing you know, we can increase your vision with this retina implant and we can double your IQ in three weeks. Oh, fucking sign me up. That's hard to say no to.

Well, I know that your joints are bothering you, Mr. Wilson. Let's replace your hips with artificial hips. Okay, let's do it. Okay, now you've got artificial hips. And you're like, you know what? We found a new way to replicate the spine without any of the pain and issues, and we're just going to replace it all with titanium. And oh, okay, well, I'm in. And the next thing you know, your bone's getting brittle, sir. You're getting old. Well, fortunately, we figured out a brain transplant with a bio-identical body. We're going to take your brain. It'll only be outside of your current body for three minutes.

Whoa, hold on. Okay, what am I now? Because now I'm a brain inside a new body? I don't want to do that surgery the first year they come out with it I want to wait like a few years let them work the kinks out the problem with that is those people that got it first will take over they'll be reading each other's minds and flying and breathing underwater and you just want to have a chance to compete they're going to gather up all the money and the resources they're going to have all the hookers and then they don't even need hookers because they can get their own they can orgasm just by pressing their temple they're just gonna jizz in their pants that that'll be a big turning point man if they can ever create a thing

where like our sexual desires are taken care of oh yeah we don't need i mean yeah that's that'll be an interesting uh just fundamental change in humanity well people get addicted to that that's going to be a virtual reality thing but then it'll be hollow because they're going to get addicted to it and they're not going to be any consequences. Like one of the things about sexual conquest, I think it's one of the same things with all sorts of uncertainty. You never know how it's going to turn out. And so there's risk involved and it's scary and people get addicted to this risk. And even the risk of rejection, I mean, it's not like really scary, like anything can go wrong, go wrong but there's a game going on like can i get these people to love me like how do i get these people to love me oh i gotta have the right chains on and the right car

and show up at the right place and you know you get the right spot where there's a table service and you know i have to have a bunch of people that are famous around me so that i look like a pimp and you know what i mean like there the whole identity thing, and then it validates your identity to get that chick. It doesn't always work. Some girls come up and like, this motherfucker thing, he's something. And she walks off. You're like, that bitch, she doesn't even know who I am. And they're trying to figure out a way to become special.

Well, if everybody just has to, you know, just download the fuck program, and all of a sudden you're in an orgy with 100,000 tens all lining up to blow you. Like, where's the fun in that? Where's the thrill? No, you're right. But that's why the human experience works in strange ways. So maybe then that's what we'll be attracted to. Like, you know, people will want to go back toward kind of the thrill of the hunt.

It's like, oh, that's easy. I think it'll be more like a video game, where video games are no fun if you get to play on God mode. You know, you play a video game on God mode, you can't get shot. You run around blowing everything away. You win. It's,

there's no thrill there. It's too easy. There's no consequences. Well, that's the Alan, uh, Alan, uh,

what's his name? Alan Watts. You ever hear that guy? He's like a hippie philosopher guys, but he was saying like, uh, the idea of like, that's why basically this dream that is life.

That's why it's like this. Oh, cause we're like all powerful. But then we got to a point where that's no fun anymore. So you want to like have life? Yeah? What was this quote he was talking about a game? He was saying if you were gonna construct a game about human civilization That's exactly what you can you would construct you would construct a game That's like what we're doing right now, and this is exactly how a divine being would play well He well the one I heard him, he was like saying,

almost like, imagine you've already lived through all those God mode games. You got bored of that, and that's why you're here. Because you're like, yeah, God mode's not that fun anymore. Let's try something that's a little bit of a challenge. And this is the level of challenge that you wanted. Well, it's an interesting philosophy. It's an interesting perspective. But lots of this shit, you know,

like obviously we don't know exactly where this is going to go. And you're talking like a little bit out there. Not that this is even that far away. I mean, if you look at like where a Nokia phone was compared to where, you know, these things are. I mean, it's a big difference. It's not that far off into the future. But even just little things like I personally, I get really fascinated by like the implications toward government and how we organize society. So when we can just 3D print guns and everybody can 3D print a gun, I mean, we don't really need to fight about the Second Amendment anymore because you've got it.

Everyone's going to have a gun if they want to have a gun. And I feel like there will be a lot of these type of things that just kind of nullify government. It doesn't matter because people can just go over here and do it so we don't even need to have this debate which to me should be the way lots of things are settled like I mean who cares about debating over gay marriage or something like let people associate however they want to associate don't you think that's one of those non issues that's an issue to people that actually are gay that want to get married but the reason why it gets bounced around, I feel like it's like a

beach ball at a concert. They just chuck it out there whenever there's something really serious that people want to talk about. They throw that around as if it's like, oh, this needs to be addressed as well. Absolutely. And then it becomes a distraction. I think you're 100% right. I think it gets used as a distraction. I think it's also

something where government, it searches itself somewhere, and then there's going to be a debate over it. Whereas if government wasn't there, we just wouldn't need to have any of this. I mean, why does it feel the same way about the women's bathroom thing? Yes. Yeah. It just seems like, come on, man, how many transgender people are really using these bathrooms? Is this a giant issue? And how has this issue been handed handled up until now and how is this issue being treated with more? Importance than so many real issues well one of the ones that I heard that was brought up Which is so bizarre is a man who is born a man. He has a beard

He does not take hormones, but he identifies as a woman. He wants to use the woman's room He wants you to call him her and he has a beard Yeah, I met a guy like that her and he has a beard yeah i met a guy like that exactly you're not allowed to because when it comes to gender you can't be preposterous you if you think you're a fox and you want to wear a fox hat i'm allowed to mock you but if you're a 50 year old dude with a beard you have lipstick on you want to be called z i'm not allowed to say anything no that's just now we're talking about gender completely healthy normal guy you fuck you And fuck everybody who thinks like that. You guys are a bunch of little nonsense babies.

Yep. And you're ruining the way people communicate. And what do we have left as comedians if a guy in a dress isn't funny? Exactly. I mean, come on. Yeah, exactly. That's a really important point. Well, my point is that I was furious when this Caitlyn Jenner thing was going on

where you were supposed to say that she looks good. Like, no one was allowed to go, whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fuck? Wait, hold on. Surgery's good now? Like, it's good to get your jaw shaved down? Everybody should celebrate that and say you look really good? Like, no, she doesn't look good.

60-year-old dudes in dresses almost never look really good Yeah, like even if she was like if it was a chick at that age I probably wouldn't be talking about how good she looks but you're telling me a dude in a dress does a dick right? But like had some stuff done to his face and I have to pretend that's a hot chick now right frozen face Weird chin thing going on where they shaved his chin down or her chin down and then gets a boob job Let me tell you something if you're a 60 year old woman and you get a boob job Someone needs a fucking hug you okay? Relax if what if Hillary Clinton got a boob job and she was like I want to show Donald Trump

These babies are here to run the country like whoa. I mean this is this is literally what we're talking about I would like her more. Hillary Clinton, she's at a commensurate age, right? Yes. How old is she? 64. Is she 70? She's close to 70, I think.

Okay. Maybe 68, I want to say. Well, how old is Bruce Jenner? He's like 63 or something? 64? They're in the fucking ballpark. Yep. They're in the ballpark.

So if Hillary all of a sudden got a boob job, everybody would be like, what the fuck is wrong with her? But he gets a boob job and because it's about gender We're all supposed to just ignore the fact that he's got a frozen face That's the chin's been cut with a fucking grinder to resemble a female face like what all things are pot what I don't we 66 She's 68 the same age. Yeah same. They're the same out. Jesus Christ. They're exactly as they could dyke out. How dare you? He's got a dick.

He'll scare the shit out of her. That's a dyke session you don't want him to show up at. You know what, you shit lord? He's a shit lord. Well, but look, there is something also like that. I'm not like a psychoanalyst. I mean, I don't know, but are we just going to, just because of like this political pressure, throw out the possibility that it seems to say that maybe you have some issues?

Yeah. That you want to self-mutilate yourself like this? I mean, this is healthy behavior? Whatever happened to loving yourself? Whatever happened to loving yourself as who you are? Why did that get distorted? How come surgery now is the viable alternative how come injecting uh non endogenous hormones exogenous hormones female hormones into a male body how come how come you

have to say that that's a girl why is gender such an important point to you like what what is it about this that's so important to you yeah and, and to deny that gender and sex are like biologically relevant categories, that it's not just something randomly assigned at birth. I mean, okay, for one out of 100,000 babies, maybe it's something that's assigned at birth. I know people always bring up that example where some babies are born.

I don't know what the number is, but there's gotta be a lot of people where they feel like they're trapped in the body that they don't want to be in. And that's cool. If you want to, I'm cool with sex changes. I'm cool with everything. I'm not trying to restrict people's behavior, but there's something really weird. I guess it's like an overreaction to people.

I think in a way it's probably a good thing. People trying to be more sensitive, trying to be more open-minded, trying to be more accepting. That'll probably balance out. We go way out to the left and then we'll come back more to the middle and everything will balance it out. You'll see the difference between people that are people

that are just happier being a woman and then people that are out of their fucking mind. There was a radio lab show about a guy who goes back and forth. He's a woman and then he's a man he's a woman he's a man i just switched he's like i just switched over now i'm gail like he becomes a woman like wait you're just a woman now like you were just a man now who am i talking to now now mike mike's back something's got it something has to be crazy you're a fucking crazy person like if that's not weird is anything weird come on man, but you know when people go well

What is crazy? You know what's crazy? I agree with what you're saying that there is there is almost I feel like the general like there's a large group of people who Are just trying to kind of not be dicks like you're saying like oh We're just trying to not be dicks to people so they'll be good But I feel like the people leading the charge are like trying to Kind of wag their finger at someone like they're trying to go like no see you're not tolerant i'm tolerant but you're not it's a virtue signaling that's what michael schirmer calls it he's like you're trying to show yourself as to be more virtuous than the

other people so you attack them for having a lack of a strong stance and these things that you have a strong stance in and so and even when a strong stance in. And even when this strong stance is really debatable, like this whole subject. And I love the fact that these guys kept getting busted after they passed these laws allowing men, transgender women, to use the women's room. These creepy men were calling themselves transgender and going into the women's room. This is exactly what you knew was going to happen. You knew it was going to happen, right? Like, look, if you really want people to use a third bathroom, here's what you knew was gonna happen you knew it was gonna happen right like look if you really

want people to use a third bathroom here's what you do get the people that support that to fund it get it get them to fund it across the board everybody else fuck off like how many people are we talking about here man that we need a third bathroom but that's that's why i i hate the whole system of taxation and government and all this shit because right there that that can be applied to so many different things. Like, even if it's something like Planned Parenthood or something like that, like, I'm, you know, I think it's a very complicated issue, but I'd probably lean on the pro-choice side.

But it's like, you're going to force someone who believes abortion is murder to fund a place that commits what they see as murder? Why don't you liberals just get together and fund it yourself? Like, why do you have to force all these other people to fund something that you deem to be a value that they don't? Right. For sure, that's debatable whether or not taxes should fund something like that.

For sure. Yeah, I mean, I don't even, truthfully, I mean, I don't think it's debate. I think it shouldn't. I think they shouldn't. I agree. But I also think that if you believe in it, like you said, you should fund it. And it should be something that the community funds. Sure.

I mean, look, as far as, Parent Hoard doesn't just provide abortions. They also provide gynecological care. They provide birth control. There's some really important parts of that. But it just gets lumped. They should have, like, abortions are us. And then just, like, straight away. There's no birth control here.

Our birth control is a vacuum.'s it that's all we have isn't that those you know I mean that's probably that would clear up this and then you'd say well maybe Planned Parenthood would be a different entity it'd be birth control things along those lines well that as a responsible society it might be a good idea to invest a certain amount of money reproductive health care like that's that care. That sounds smart. And this is another thing that technology might solve real quick. I mean, once we can kind of create womb-like conditions outside the womb,

it might greatly cut down on the number of abortions that are needed. Yeah, that's going to be real weird. That's going to be real weird when they decide that the body... Like, women can be far more productive if their baby is born outside of the body Yeah, but they'll always be like a natural movement right of course They'll always be like people who are like well no no I don't want to do it that way because even now there's people who Have natural childbirths and stuff you know it's like people like raw wood like this table And they like handcrafted drinks they like that word my drinkers are handcrafted

Yeah, I'm gonna have a handcrafted hot dog and even just even just enjoying nature You know what? I mean like the fact that we like to go out and into nature like we're so far removed with all this technology But we still like well I want to like I want to sit in the place where I would have died from an infection at 12 I don't want to like live there, but I want to like sit there for a little and then go inside I want to lay motionless where the Predators used to roam It is fucking really weird that we call it the outdoors.

Like, I like the outdoors. No, you mean the earth. You like the actual earth. We're just hiding indoors. We're so fucking into being in these structures that that's our standard place to be. The outdoors is rare. I like the great outdoors. Like,

what are you, what the fuck are you talking about? How can you like, we're defining ourselves by the inside of the structure. Primarily. It's all outdoors, man. We're all on this fucking,

I love that. Uh, that bit you were doing the other night. I don't want to like give out if it's new stuff you're working on, but the thing about just like paranoia of pot being good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like yeah we should all be paranoid i mean yeah look around yeah well there's there's some there's some reality to our life on a spinning ball that is regularly ignored but really fucking crazy when you stop and think about this the

reality that we're in a convertible spaceship and, you know, we don't talk about that, but we talk about all sorts of goofy shit. We're literally spinning a thousand miles an hour in a circle, hurling through infinity. And the more we find out, the weirder it gets. The weirder it gets? Like the more

you know, we think we know something and we're like, okay, this is what a black hole is and then we figure something out and we go, okay, it's nothing like that. No. And people get mad at Neil deGrasse Tyson because he won't say he's an atheist. I think that's another hilarious aspect of atheism is how tribal atheism is. I've been watching this forum where these people are fucking hurling the most disgusting and evil insults at Neil deGrasse Tyson simply because he won't say he's an atheist.

He's open-minded. And Neil's like a scientist. He's like, look, I'm not a religious person, but I'm not going to say there's no God. Well, why not? Why wouldn't he not? There's no fucking evidence that there's no God. There's no evidence that there is a God. That's what an agnostic is.

That's why I like identifying as agnostic. Because there's like this atheist has almost like built up, they're almost, it's what an agnostic is that's why I like identifying as agnostic because there's like this atheist has almost like built up They they're almost it's like so dogmatic and religious in their beliefs like you have to believe in this there is nothing exactly Nothing happens after you don't want to admit that there's nothing Dave. You have a problem admitting that there's nothing It's like maybe I don't know nothing to do mushrooms. Yeah, there's nothing Yeah, honestly and that same that same person will completely agree with you when they're on mushrooms. Then maybe when they wear off, they'll go like, eh, it was just the mushrooms. The ego will come back.

It's a hallucination. The visual cortex is being affected by 5-4-4-loxy-N-N-dimethyltryptamine. Yeah. Someone, I remember arguing with like a hardcore atheist about this and they were like, dude, that shit that goes on when you're on mushrooms, it's just a chemical reaction. You're like, yes, it is. So is every experience you've ever had in your life.

Yeah. It's just a chemical reaction. Yeah. The whole life is a chemical reaction. So without the proper chemicals, your brain goes crazy. You get hallucinations. It's like, yeah, you get depressed,

you get suicidal, or you get euphoric. What do you think MDMA is? It's a chemical reaction reaction but it's one that your brain already has it's already in there that's why it works yep that's right and you're finding a way to kind of uh to trigger to use their word to trigger that reaction that just gets you into it's weird it gets you into something that you already knew it's not even like new information it's just like it's something you already knew that you worked very hard to forget.

Yeah. But we're so weird. People are so weird. But it's cool. It's cool that it's weird because like Alan Watts is saying, it makes it all fun. It makes this game entirely exciting. I'm fucking super pumped that this relation's full of bullshit. That this election and this way we're interacting with each other is all chaos

oh i like it i enjoy it i would find it infant like what like if you look at trump and bernie sanders like i don't i don't love either of them i have problems with everybody i think hillary's the worst of the worst but i have problems with all of them but it's so it would be so much more depressing to me if just like hillary and jeb Bush had just waltzed to the nominations like like if the general sentiment of the public was like we're happy we're cool with the establishment I love that people are like have had it I think it's a sign of the times and I think the Internet is also a big part of that I think people are just so much better informed than at any other time

in the past oh well for for us, I mean, for the libertarian movement, like, that's, we wouldn't exist without the internet. So you clearly identify with a movement, like libertarians. Is there anything about being a libertarian that you don't like, where libertarians are into, other libertarians? Um, sure. I mean, there's like, there's personal things about different groups, and then there's some groups of libertarians that I genuinely don't identify with at all. Like there's some some kind of like Republicans who will just kind of call themselves libertarians, but are OK with like fighting wars and stuff like that. So I don't like that.

kind of a weird group if you get together isn't it just weird to be in a group i mean aren't groups weird but that's why i don't you know i wouldn't be comfortable almost identifying with any other group to me libertarianism or voluntarism is really just uh it's like accepting of a principle that is like i said before like you shouldn't uh initiate violence right against peaceful people so i just i'm okay with accepting that as like a fundamental truth. To me, it's more online with being like an abolitionist during slavery times. It's just like, we shouldn't have slavery. What you do with yourself, I don't know. I'm not going to jump into a team of what job you should have, but you shouldn't be

forced to pick cotton. Yeah, no, I mean, all the political ideologies, all the political distinctions, that's the one that makes the most sense to me. I don't call myself a libertarian. I'm just, I feel like the whole, the whole idea of representative government is so fucking goofy. I just think that any political party that doesn't address that is it's like, we're spinning our wheels. If we're really allowing this whole stupid thing to go on the way it's gone on for so long, it was created back when it was really impossible to communicate with people. So you had to have a representative. the way it's gone on for so long it was created back when it was really impossible to communicate with

People so you had to have a representative like now It's really easy to communicate with people but we have the same system of government that we had back when people used to write with Feathers right it's fucking stupid the idea of having a ruler. It's insane. It's so dumb and Our robot overlords, they're gonna fix it they will they will liberate us they will they will rise they will fix it

I'm really hoping they're libertarian Jamie before we wrap this up you were trying to show me something else is there something else that was going on there's no other story

just the Kimball Slice thing didn't yeah alright Dave this was fun I really enjoyed this we gotta do this more often when are you back in town and when can people

come see your stand up and where can they find out about you well you can follow me on Twitter at Comic Dave Smith. And I do a podcast called Part of the Problem, which is all about like this political stuff and libertarianism. And then I do another podcast called Legion of Skanks, which is a comedy podcast with myself, Louis J. Gomez and Big J. Oakerson.

We're actually we're having a festival. OK, we're having Skank Fest. It's in New York City. It's on June 18th and 19th. We got some really fun guests for this one, dude. having skank fest. It's in New York City. It's on June 18th and 19th We got some really fun guests for this one dude. I like the name skank fest is awesome Well it dude is gonna be a yearly thing. Let me tell you who we got coming for this We got Stan Hope. Whoa, Doug Stan Hope will be there Ari be on it Bobby Kelly

Brian Redband is doing like a death squad show of Me Lewis and a big J Charlie, Brian Redband is doing a Death Squad show of me, Lewis, and Big Jay, and I think some other really good ones, too, that I'm blanking out on. Beautiful. Michael Che is going to be there. Beautiful. Beautiful. Very fun.

Follow me on Twitter at Comic Dave Smith. All right, you fucks. That's it. Thank you, Dave. That was awesome. Really enjoyed it. Thanks so much for that. Do this much more often.

Absolutely. Whenever you're in town. All right. Good night, everybody. See you tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.