The Joe Rogan Experience - #809 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: June 14, 2016

Aubrey Marcus is writer, entrepreneur, and adventurer. He also hosts his own podcast called The Aubrey Marcus Podcast available on Spotify.

do do yee-haw hello world what's up what's going on brother my man back from fucking canada back from canada that was awesome what was that experience like for you well that experience was besides doing mushrooms and running around the woods by yourself that was the experience what do you mean how can you exclude that how you can exclude that from me that's like taking away a fighter's ability to talk about fighting. Like, shit. We were up in Canada bear hunting, and Aubrey decides to do mushrooms and go run off into the woods. Yeah, well, I had to check in, you know?

I understand. See if I was on the right path. Yeah. Yeah, that was fucking, it was powerful, man. Super powerful. Because bears, as I was telling you, bears have come to me in my visions doing ayahuasca and everything since the drop like from the very first time i was doing ayahuasca bears were coming to me and teaching me lessons and i was talking to him like what kind of lessons man the first time it came was uh the first time i did ayahuasca and i saw this bear

and it was wrapped up in all these chains and it was struggling against these like gold chains like a mr t bear had like fucking crown and these like heavy gold chains and he was like stuck and it couldn't move and the bear like stops he was like kind of frantic trying to get out of these chains he stops and looks at me and he goes i remember when i was just a bear and i didn't have to worry about all this shit and it was a lesson about the wealth that we have can become like a prison that holds us back and prevents us from being our true nature with the bear's true nature is just being a bear chasing after shit eating shit climbing trees but the wealth that it accumulated prevented it from doing that what a bizarre weird what is that like what who's teaching you that like what is that your imagination is

that like what's going on with that you know i no idea. And that's, you know, it just appeared to me. That's the funny thing. Like, it's so strange. It feels real. Like this is a spirit guy teaching you, but it very well could be your imagination. But man, I'm not that creative to think about a bear in gold chains telling me a lesson about wealth. I have a thought on that, that we look at the imagination and we say, oh, he's just

imagining things. But everything in the world is from the imagination and we say oh he's just imagining things but everything in the world is from the imagination every building every airplane every car every piece of clothing every computer everything came out of the imagination everything i think the imagination is something really fucking weird and i think we've somehow or another we've almost like i don't want to say we underestimate it but we underrate it we put it into this weird little category like it's a silly thing oh you're just imagining and that allows it to operate and by by underrating it or by undervaluing it it allows

it to sort of roam free and do all of its work but it's responsible for creating everything that we see that humans have ever done in the world yeah it gets interesting for me too and you think about these mythical creatures like bigfoots and dragons and things like that when we create them we actually create the the light the neurons in our brain that form around that memory and that concept even if we draw a monster we've actually created that monster on like a micro scale inside our brain and it's just we value this macro scale of the world where it actually breathes and lives but we're actually assembling light in our brains to create that thing that we're imagining you know it's just on a very very small level and it doesn't have the freedom and flexibility but

we are really truly creating entities all the time in our own brain yeah i really wondered about that with um aliens with that archetypal alien the iconic gray with the large black eyes and the like that thing's real now yeah it's a real thing i mean whether or not you ever meet one or whether or not one exists in a physical state where you could drag it in front of the national inquirer photographers and get some good shots of it it's a it's a real thing and what i mean by it's a real thing is if you do mushrooms you'll fucking see them you'll you will see them and are you seeing them because you did mushrooms and you're hallucinating or are you seeing them because we've created this archetype that plugs into the

imagination easily and connects you to this thing this this imaginary world or this world that see i don't even like the word imaginary because like every time i've done a psychedelic i don't i don't like that word imaginary because to me it seems like it's some sort of a frequency that you're tuning into where a real world exists that you can't bring back anything physical from yeah you know what i mean yeah and i feel like it's entirely possible that what we think of as these like gray aliens they're like a almost like a frequency of the universe that you can tune into, whether you're on psychedelics or whether you're dreaming, which is, of course, your brain producing its own psychedelics. Your brain produces dimethyltryptamine while you're sleeping. So these things that we think of as being like all these imaginary things like aliens or bears that talk to you or –

Yeah. I wonder what the fuck that really is all about it's i think you're really onto something there it seems like there's this archetypal frequency like a dragon is a being of unlimited power and we've imagined what that would look like visually if that were an animal what does it look like and a dragon just fits that so fucking perfect with the wings and the scales and think smog from you know tolkien yeah and you're looking at that and like oh yeah that fits that thing you know and you think about a cold dispassionate calculating machine that is dissecting you like then oh yeah alien with the big eyes and the no nuts that fits that thing you know so that no vagina either no by the way. No, nothing.

They don't need that shit. They're just dispatched of it. So it's just like we create this visual representation of this archetype. Even Zeus. Like, Zeus should look like Zeus looks like. Yeah. We're good at matching the physical look of something to this concept that is kind of very real. Yeah, we wouldn't trust Zeus if he had like a dark goatee. Right.

He's got to have a fucking white beard and white hair. He always has white hair, right? Have you ever seen Zeus without white hair? Well, I mean, he turned into all kinds of shit. He would turn into like a swan and rape somebody and like a golden mist and rape somebody. He was like a mass rapist. Zeus was constantly raping everybody. He was the Bill Cosby of ancient gods.

He would go in as golden rain. He raped somebody. Got her pregnant. As golden rain. Wow. That's rude. Yeah, seriously. What's the defense against that?

Rape somebody as rain? At least give him a heads up. Who expects to go outside and just get raped by the rain? Good. No, it's also a convenient excuse if you got pregnant. You're like, there was a sprinkle. It was golden. I think it's Zeus.

He's raping a dude there. What's he doing there? Oh, he was cutting off his dad's dick. Oh, good Lord. Cronos was the titan. Yeah. They were always cutting off each other's dick. And then they would throw one.

I think he threw one into the ocean and it created some other Titan or something like that. He cut his own dad's dick off. Life was hard back then, man. That was a hard world those people lived in. Yeah, for sure. A bunch of dick-cutting assholes. No doubt. Yeah.

I really do wonder. I mean, it is an empty wonder like there's no end to it there's no way you're ever going to solve like no one's going to say oh we figured out exactly what's happening when you're tripping on mushrooms and here is what it is and this is why you know you see these things and this is what those things actually are and this is the part of your brain that creates them and they're absolutely not real i don't know yeah well there's the materialist reductionist point of view like something that sam harris could explain very well all right when you take psilocybin the default mode network of your brain gets starves of blood which starves it of oxygen which down regulates it allowing the other

parts of your brain to come forward like got it but then take some and then see and then see like how that feels what that feels, what comes through. Yeah, well, there's a chemical process, right? But then there's the experience. And the experiencing itself, this is, I mean, if you've heard me say this before, but this is kind of important. The experience is exactly the same whether or not it's in a physical form or whether or not it's something that happens to you while you're tripping. The experience is the same. or whether or not it's something that happens to you while you're tripping.

The experience is the same. Like if you have a trip and during that trip you meet a golden serpent that explains the universe to you and it explains that every single person is in fact a representation of what we think of as love. Love or a God or creativity or some divine force that is pushing forward Improvement and innovation and that that is the reason why life today is so much different than it was 30 years ago Or 30 years before that or 300 years before that it will constantly keep improving and it is the way of the universe and That if you if you have that in a psychedelic trip And that if you if you have that in a psychedelic trip It's exactly the same as if it happens to you

like if you go to a field and a dragon rises out of a marsh and confronts you with all of the problems of your personality and all the mysteries of the past and gives you an Understanding and a blueprint for how to move forward with your life and then goes back in the swamp. It's exactly the same as if you're tripping. Yeah. Like the experience is the same. Like whether, like, wow, we found the dragon. We've located him on GPS.

You know, look on Google Earth, you can see the dragon moving through the marsh. It's a real dragon. It doesn't matter like physically if it's a real dragon. The experience is the same. And the impact that it has. Yeah. And that's, and that's the thing that, you know, we're seeing now in these scientific inquiries is that it's not just you have this experience, like go into a movie and you come back out and you're relatively the same afterwards.

These are having the lasting impacts and the significant changes throughout a lifetime that you would expect from a huge event like you just described happening in the real world, because it does feel real to you and and the information you're getting and the experiences you have it changes you it's not like you put it in this dream world like oh that was weird i you know saw this person naked in my dream but it's different you know that feels like kind of like random like you're just shaking up some dice and throwing it this stuff comes to you in a way that just leaves a significant impact. Yeah. And the scientific reductionist point of view is really important because we really do

need to understand what's the chemical process that's going on in the brain when you consume, you know, whatever, peyote, whatever it is. We need to understand. I mean, it's fascinating and it's important for research and it's important that science keeps moving forward the greater and greater understanding of the mind but you can't discount what is happening as a human as a person as a as a as an entity with consciousness What's happening during that experience? Like you really are you can really talk to God you really can meet him for sure I mean you and I have met him together

Yeah Talk to God you really can meet him for sure. I mean you and I've met him together Yeah, or met whatever the fuck we met whatever that is when you're in the DMT realm I don't know what that is, but if if there's a God that's cooler than that. Holy shit And that's the thing it comes like the stories are not in they're not inconsistent You'll go to these ayahuasca retreats. You'll have 20 people, and seven of them will talk to God. That's the same dude they're describing. It doesn't matter what religion background they come from. You hadn't, like, pre-discussed what this notion is. It's like the wisdom that comes through from that element source or whatever you want to call it, God, or if you talk to Mother Earth, that the wisdom is all consistent.

And it's weird that way. You know, it's like you never hear something like, man, that's strange. It's really contradictory to what he told me. I would like to see some people given DMT, preferably the way Strassman does it. Minus the anal plug that made them think that aliens were sodomizing them. There was an anal plug? There was like an anal thermometer. Oh, to check your core temperature?

Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, it had everybody thinking that aliens were raping them. Yeah. Zoo style. Not the best idea. Yeah, well, see, well, there you go. Like, why is that?

Why are we thinking that aliens are raping us? Because there's something in your butt that's obviously a thermometer. Yeah. You know? Are you given knowledge that there's a thermometer in your butt before you go in there? You are, right? Do they whisper in your ear? I mean, I don't know.

I just, it's, the world itself is so fucking slippery. You know, just the world itself. The idea that I'm looking at you through my eyes, we're making noises with our faces, and somehow or another we're translating this back and forth to each other through this thing, which is a microphone, which works in a way that neither you nor i can describe to anybody jamie probably can it goes through these wires and it's going wirelessly out into people's phones i mean these people that are streaming it right now live with their phone in their car driving around 4g lt the fucking world is slippery as shit it is you know it's amazing how fast we adapt though

oh yeah like humans are really good at adapting to this new shit that comes. We almost adapt so fast that we take it for granted way earlier than we should. It's like, oh, yeah, that thing. Cool. Got it. to adapt incredibly quickly. And that sort of makes sense if you look at the wide variety of cultures throughout the world and what they think is normal, what they accept, like those women in Africa that have those giant plates in their lips. Like, how, what? Like, how did that get going? Well, the necks that they would stretch out. They'd stretch their necks out so far and they'd have those things that their necks couldn't support themselves.

Yeah, there it is. The primate brain is pre-adapted to face potentially any situation. It's a really interesting article. And I'm not going to do a good job of it without someone reading it. But that's the title of it. It's on phys.org. P-H-Y-S dot org. And the title is The Primate Brain is Pre-Adapted to Face Potentially Any Situation.

And it just talks about how your brain sort of calculates potential outcomes and all these different variables that could possibly take place. So when it moves into that direction, it sorts of set the landscape. Yeah. Well, you look at how we developed, and you look at something like the genetic bottleneck theory where these big cataclysms would happen, dramatically reduce the human population. You're dealing with these macro changes on a global level. Well, the most flexible and adaptive are going to survive. The stubborn asses are like, nope, I'm not leaving my forest. My forest is my home.

This is my land. This is my land. Like, fuck that. The forest is burning. You got to go to the ocean. You got to figure out how to fish quick. There's food in the water. Figure out how to get that food on land into your belly.. You got to go to the ocean. You got to figure out how to fish quick. You know, there's food in the water. Right.

Figure out how to get that food on land into your belly. Yeah. Or you're not going to make it. You're not going to make it. And those are the humans that have survived. So that trait will continue to be, you know, one of the most important traits. And obviously it comes to the surface in these large scale events. Yeah.

That's why I've always laughed. Like I told you, and i know you you did you rented a place there recently too i've rented a place in malibu for a while on the beach and i'm like what the fuck kind of place is this like you're just banking that something that's constantly changing and moving and growing is going to stick around long enough for your investment to pan out yeah you know because you made an investment like these houses are worth fucking millions of dollars and there's no yard in the back because it's just the ocean yeah and without a doubt that ocean is going to keep moving forward it's without a doubt it's just like how much time

do you have it's like a long real estate game of musical chairs yeah yeah i mean i was at the house and the waves would hit underneath the house so hard that the house would shake around 4am. So it was like, it was like a planned 4am high tide earthquake of the waves hitting it. You're just like, you're counting on the fact that there isn't that rogue 15 footer that comes in and just wipes out your whole window. I fucked up because the first day, literally the first day we stayed there, got barbecued like barbecued on edibles and uh we were downstairs there's three floors to this house we were renting and the first floor was literally the water you would you you could open the window and jump into the

water and it's a four foot drop and i'm not exaggerating It's fucking ridiculous and in the daytime. It looks so amazing It's so beautiful and blue and lovely and you see the birds and the waves are so gentle and inviting but at nighttime in the dark it becomes a monster a giant dark black Uncaring beast that will swallow you whole and not give a fuck. It's absorbed a billion people before you. It'll absorb you just as easy. And you realize the true nature of it when it's dark.

When it's dark, you go, oh, this is like another world. It's like as if you could get a high rise and that high rise could hit the edge of an alternative galaxy. It's like if you could climb on top of your roof and throw rocks into the event horizon of a black hole, and they would disappear into another galaxy. That's almost what it's like. It's another world. Yeah, and the farther you get out into the deep, the crazier it gets, right? Because there's

no limit on the depth yeah you're you're going over one of those chasms that are miles deep and they have no fucking idea what animals are in there yeah and that's where these ideas of these krakens these beasts the deep would come because it plays with our subconscious it's outer space but in our planet and underneath us in the water you know so you're just looking at this like man something could definitely come up there and eat me especially you water you know so you're just looking at this like man something could definitely come up there and eat me especially you know you don't have enough vitamin c you're getting too much sun you're a little delirious yeah then all of a sudden you're fucking seeing mermaids and sea monsters and shit yeah yeah yeah they they've found kraken um suction cups

what do they call those things what do they call call the suction cups? Suckers, I think. Tentacles. I think it's just suckers. They found them in fossilized form that would indicate something that's well over a hundred foot octopus. So that was a real animal at one point in time. So this idea of the crap, the problem with those things is

when they die, they just die. They're a soft tissue animal. All they have is a beak. And that gets absorbed by the ocean, too. So there's virtually no evidence other than these fossilized suction cups that they found. But when they found them, they went, holy shit. Because you're talking about, you know, like fucking garbage can lids that are suction cups. Yeah. And you just think, like, well, how big is the fucking tentacle, man?

Jesus Christ. It's like an like, well, how big is the fucking tentacle, man? Jesus Christ. It's like an aggressive garbage disposal. What that is, all the tentacles grab everything that is soft enough to get chomped by that bee. Grab it, push it in. And smart as fuck. And fast.

Well, there was another article recently where the scientists were saying that essentially octopuses are aliens. There is nothing like them. They have more chromosomes than any other observed animal. They're different than any observed animal. Besides cuttlefish, their ability to rapidly adapt and camouflage themselves to their environment is unprecedented. They change their texture.

They change what they look like. I had Remy Warren on, who's a great guy, and he has a television show called Apex Predator. And one of his Apex Predator episodes, and in his show, he's a hunter, and he used to be on the show called Solo Hunter, where he would go by himself with like a bunch of cameras and just go deep, deep into the woods and hunt and sort of, and, and capture this experience in this, uh, really remote forest is in a really cool way because it was literally just him like survivor man style with a few cameras set up and hunting and then cooking the food and eating it and heading back and running into some like weird difficulties and dangers and strange animals while he's out there too. But he did an episode on octopus and he came in and was talking to us about it and it fucking blew my mind i had no idea yeah i don't you know i was 47 48 years old i had no idea that a fucking octopus could do that they can change like that yeah like

instantaneously i think i've told the story on here before but i got to see one in fiji and watch this fijian man hunt it and it was one of the craziest experiences ever they were he was flowing over the coral and just at like you said half of his body would be one color half the other color it was that fast it wasn't like it waited because we have anolis and chameleons in texas right you know they they plant somewhere and there's some weird color that they're not supposed to be and then eventually they turn into brown for tree bark or green for the leaves or whatever they're at but not an octopus man that shit is instant instantaneous and there was and when he was fighting it so he

eventually like goes down there jams his hand in there and the octopus bites him there's blood in the water is this crazy struggle but eventually he jams his hand back in there pulls the octopus out and when he was fighting with the octopus on the surface, the octopus knew to go for his airway. Like it was wrapping, kept wrapping its tentacles around his mouth and his nose as he was trying to get this thing off his head. Like it knew exactly what it was doing. It was pulling off. So eventually he wrestles his snorkel free and starts beating it to get it to calm down. And he brought it to the shore and barbecued it.

Now, everybody else was just fucking horrified at this show because it was completely savage. I mean, it was the octopus trying to choke the airway of this primate and this primate being stronger and more determined and using his snorkel as a bludgeon to kill it so he could eat it. I like octopus. It's delicious, but I think I might back off that. They might be a little too fucking smart for me to be eating them. Totally. Totally.

Yeah. But that's, again, that bias of all of the things. If people say, oh, no, this animal is too intelligent to eat, but they're a pescatarian, well, they're probably eating the fuck out of some octopus, which are way smarter than a deer. That's a good point. So it's just a weird,

it's a whole weird dynamic that we have of what we decide we should or couldn't do. Well, here's a good point for people that are vegans. If you are a vegan and you think you need some form of protein other than like – look at this thing, killing a shark. If you need some sort of protein other than ethically raised chickens, eggs, which is harmless and doesn't hurt anybody. But mollusks, apparently there's a real good argument that they are incapable of feeling any pain at all. They don't have any fear. They have zero emotions. They have zero reaction.

They have one instinctive reaction to close their shell and that's it. Like they're barely an animal. Get you some cashew milk clam chowder. Yeah. Well, clam chowder's got milk in it. That's why I said cashew milk. Oh, that's right. Okay.

Cashew milk, have you had this? No, I just made it up. But somebody do it. Someone's in Austin right now. Someone's opening up a clam chowder fucking food truck. But like scallops. Scallops are probably the most delicious food on the planet. Like pound for pound, they're right up there.

And if they're just like a meat thing, it's like essentially what I'm saying is they're like, you know how they have these scientists that are developing meat in laboratory dishes? They're that with a hard shell. Yeah. Like you can eat them, vegans. With convenient to-go packaging. Because I know a lot of vegans that are absolutely nutritionally deficient. They're not getting enough vitamin D. They're not getting enough D3.

They're not getting enough B12. They're definitely not getting enough essential fatty acids unless they're scooping coconut oil and almond butter into their mouth every day. CLA. Different things. Yeah. And, you know, they just, they're committed to the cause. And so they're just physically not doing the best because of it. Yeah.

I mean, you start, as you've done, you've talked about the intelligence in plants. You start looking at that and then versus a mollusk. They're way smarter than a mollusk. Yeah. Our mollusks and plants, they're possibly fairly equivalent. Yeah. So like your whole cause of why you're not eating them gets a little blurry when you start to think, all right, well, plants are smart as shit. And mollusks are mollusks.

And they're probably equivalent. Just one has the ability to move slightly more than the other one. Yeah. The movement thing is something that we cling to. What we essentially cling to is things that are closest to us. Like we really don't give a fuck about fish. Like we're worried about people killing all the fish in the ocean. We're worried about the depletion of the ocean. But when a little kid catches a fish, you go and look at the Instagram page. There's no hate. You know,

a little kid shoots a bear, back the fuck up. You don't even want to read those comments. You know, a little kid shoots a bear back the fuck up. You don't even want to read those comments. You know, if something is someone eats a bear like, whoa, that's too close to a dog. Dog's my friend. Dogs are just like people. Sally's my baby. She's a dog.

And the bear is just like Sally. And I can't eat a bear. Yeah. It's just anthropomorphization. Yeah. Like just putting human traits on different animals, which I can totally see. You know, there's some animals that seem more human-like. We recognize more attributes than other animals. Well, I have a thing with wolves.

I absolutely have some sort of a weird anthropomorphization thing with wolves where, you know, I think they're like probably my favorite animals ever. They're the fucking coolest things of all time. They have these packs. they mate for life they they get together and fucking they have like this social group they have this really complex method of hunting where they communicate with each other they howl out to each other and they have like a roll call i mean they're a complex really intense society yeah i won't hold it against them that they mate for life i mean i'll excuse them that it's pretty amazing animals because their life is hard as fuck and it doesn't last long you can't be a pimp but apparently there's a documentary about a wolf and ironically

enough it's called the black wolf and there was a black wolf that apparently wasn't following any of the rules and this wolf would go across the highway, away from the rest of the pack, and lure the women over to him. And he was banging these women, and female wolves, obviously, not women, human. I'm really anthropomorphizing now. Bitches, actually.

Yeah, actual bitches. And wouldn't, the right way of saying it, and wouldn't mate, and wouldn't find a mate for life until he was old. And then when he's old, he's like, all right, I'll come back and start running shit. And then when he's old, he came back, got a mate, started running things and just sort of settled down. But it was interesting. It's like this wolf had chosen a different way of life. And there's a documentary on it. It's interesting because, you know,

in all of these ayahuasca trips and all of these things, I've talked to animals of all kinds of variety. And again, this could be just pure imagination. But in that, you know, they always have lessons or things that we discuss. And one of the common themes is the amount of free will that the animal has. So when I talk to the insects, and you really talk, you don't talk to one insect, you talk to the insect over mine. Again,

this could all just be my imagination, but helps me understand things a bit. You talk to the insect over mine and the insects say, basically, we are like the trash keepers of the world. Like we have no flexibility for free will. If we all decided to go on strike, the world's fucked. You know, nothing gets decomposed. There's no spare parts. We run out of spare parts for the world. Everything, nothing else gets built. The whole thing goes to shit. The food source at the very bottom.

So we have no free will. We're perfect, perfect creatures acting in perfect accordance with the laws of nature to allow it to happen. Where you get these things like the automatons, like the digger wasp, that no matter how much you fuck with things, they'll try to do the same thing over and over again. Well, really, that's perfect because it's doing absolutely what it must. And then you go on up the chain towards the mammals, and there gets to be greater and greater access to free will. So you talk to, like I've talked to dolphins, and dolphin spirit was like super happy, playful, and they said, you know, dolphins, one of the best existences of all, because we have greater access to free will, we can choose to play, we can choose to fuck, we can choose these

different elements, getting food is easy. And it's also how easy it is to get food, like getting food is easy for us. You know, there's not a lot of natural predators. So we have kind of the ultimate existence. And we don't have the human brain, which is the ultimate saboteur. You know, it's our own minds that lock us in these depressions and anxieties and hells and dolphins don't have that level of self-awareness that they've created all the problems. So it's almost like they're in this perfect sweet spot, which is one of the things that you feel when you encounter them both in real life and in vision is that they're just happy as fuck because they have the most flexibility with the least amount of

troubles that come from it. Yeah, we were talking about this on the ride when we were in Edmonton or in Alberta, rather. And it was really interesting because we were talking about, was it Ben O'Brien that was telling us about a queen that got stuck in someone's car? Yeah, a queen bee that got stuck in a car. A queen bee got stuck in someone's car and the colony followed them for like 20 miles some insane amount of distance and you know this guy was just getting fucking followed by bees and couldn't figure out what the hell was going on well they had a mandate i mean there was there was no free will there was no discussion whether or not well i mean i'm tired of flying like they were just gonna fly to the end yeah and they flew and found this guy's car with the fucking queen in it

i don't know how it got resolved but or how they knew exactly but yeah it's a that's it follows that that would be the that would be the behavior because these they don't have the flexibility to do that because everything would fall apart you They're like the perfect robots of life. And I think you start talking about these distinctions between life and artificial intelligence life. I think really consciousness and free will are inexorably linked. That is kind of the key component. Yes, these insects are alive, but are they fully conscious? Well, I think it really depends on their access to free will their ability to make a choice i think that is the

defining characteristic of consciousness is choice well that's another weird thing about people that um are really into animals like we'll we'll make a distinction between animals and insects like i have friends that just fucking love animals. They adopt dogs and cats, but they'll fucking kill any bug that's on their counter. You know, they'll see a bug on their counter, they just, oh, you bitch, you're dead. Could be a random harmless beetle. It's over. If, like, a mosquito lands on them, slap!

Yeah. You know, there's no negotiating with insects. You can find an insect. I mean, but they won't eat them, slap. Yeah. You know, there's no negotiating with insects. You can find an insect. I mean, but they won't eat them, which is weird. You know, it's one of those weird things. Like those cricket protein bars? Yeah. Well, you know, they're just, vegans don't eat bugs.

They don't eat animal protein. They're responsible for the death. Listen, I'm not trying to put this on you guys. If you're a vegan, you're like, here he goes again. If you buy grain're a vegan, you're like, here he goes again. If you buy grain from a store, you are directly responsible for the death of countless bugs, countless rodents, who knows how many rabbits, who knows how many deer fawns. If you buy anything that is indiscriminately collected with a combine, and that's how they get grain. They have these huge

machines. If you've never seen it before Jamie pull up a grain Combine in action because it's like whoa that is some alien Machine sent down to shear the earth This is it's kind of fucking it's a weird way We do it I mean we used to do it with like the grim reaper sickle You know that's how they used to do it that cool thing with the two handles on it Is that what it is a scythe what's the difference in a sickle. You know, that's how they used to do it. That cool thing with the two handles on it. Is that what it is? A scythe.

What's the difference between a sickle and a scythe? Sickle's the Russian thing, right? Yeah. What is that one? I think it's the smaller one. That's a handheld jammy? I think so. With a single hand?

Yeah. But when they use those things, it's really, it's that, that's only one aspect of one of the things that's problematic about large-scale collecting of food. But look at this fucking thing. This enormous machine. And this is not even a big one. That's a fairly small one. They have ones that are like a football field wide.

Yeah, at the mega farms. Yeah, this is like something like if you had a small farm, you would do. But anything that's in there is getting chewed up. And one of the things about fawns, it's really unfortunate, but fawns, when they're young, they will lie down in these fields and they don't move because they can't outrun any predators. So their strategy is to just not move and hope something doesn't find them. Yeah. And that's also why they have those, their coloration on their body is very different. They have the white spots, which is kind of nature's version of some sort of form of a camouflage to blend in.

But those poor fawns get chewed up in those things all the time. I have a friend who has a large-scale corn farm in Illinois. And they make corn mostly for livestock. They grow corn for livestock and they have those giant huge ones and they just chew fawns up all the time. I think the problem that a lot of people make is they attribute morality to the actions you're taking rather than the intention behind it. You know what I mean? And I think people make that mistake a lot really. So is hunting good or bad? Well, that's a ridiculous question to ask.

It depends on the intention of the hunter while he's doing it. And I think that's why a lot of people reserve this kind of Native American idea because we feel and we understand that the intentions of that person, that hunter, was in a way that was different than the guy just looking to put a trophy on his wall or running one of those automatic guns that are on a camera that you know shooting animals that way it's it's not the act that's either good nor bad nor is it vegan good nor bad it's about the intentions behind it and i think people tend to lose that perspective you know so that's when when i was in bear camp that's what i needed to get straight is what my intentions were if I was going after to hunt a bear so I would be cool and cam would think I was cool and everybody in the hunting party would be like yeah well that was the wrong intention for me so that's what a lot of the work was that's what the part of what the taking the

mushrooms was for was to make sure that my intention in doing it was the right intention and that you know and what was that intention well to me it was the right intention. And what was that intention? Well, to me, it was some part meat acquisition. I wanted to have that experience of taking my own meat from the field, which was incredibly powerful for me the first time I hunted. And then I wanted to be able to use the code and use the claws for jewelry and really connect with that. So if that intention was leading, then it was a correct action for me.

If that intention was not leading and I was doing it to be cool or doing it because I was nervous or any other way, then it was an immoral act for me. And that's, to me, how I just kind of sorted it out. So I was able to get to that comfortable place where I knew that if the bear came, the right boar came,

I was going to do it for the right intention because I'd worked through all of the other forces and pressures, that desire to be cool or the desire for this or all these other reasons that would have made that act not cool. I worked through those as best I could. And so I knew if the bear came, I was comfortable killing it. I had no idea in my head that this was the wrong thing because my intentions were right. Well, also your intentions,

I mean, you had many opportunities to kill a bear as did I, but what we go for is very big, mature bears for a couple of reasons. One, because very big, mature bears kill cubs. It's one of their favorite things to eat when they come out of hibernation, which is really fucked up. They actively hunt cubs. They go for them. They even go into dens and pull them out of dens and kill them. There's a lot of debate as to why they do that. The initial thought was that it brings the female back into estrus and that the bear can breed with the female and that way that bear is passing on his genetics.

But there's some scientists, some biologists, some wildlife biologists that believe they're just doing it for meat. And that's just there's a lot of competition out there. And it's hard to get meat. And this is meat. And they've become accustomed to it. And whether they're doing it because they're hungry or whether they're doing it because they want the female to survive or come back into heat and breed again. Either way, they're killing cubs. And they're limiting the DNA.

They're limiting the genetics. And it's not good for the overall population of the bears. So the idea is when you kill the large male boars, that what you're doing is you're actually enhancing the genetics of the area and you're saving the cubs so even though it seems counterintuitive when you kill boars you're actually increasing the population of bears yeah it's really weird when you when you you know when you look at it outside of the world of hunting when you don't have all the information at your your fingerprints you you have this idea that like hunters are like those bad guys in that Wolverine movie that were poisoning the bear. Did you ever see that?

It's always in the movies. They're always the assholes that are killing bears. Meanwhile, Wolverine will sit down and eat a steak, and he's a good guy. We're so fucking tortured and twisted when it comes to our morality. But also, the big one is the population of the traditional game animals, like the moose and the deer and the elk. They get decimated by bears. And it's the fawns. They kill all the fawns and all the calves.

And that's a huge problem in those regions like Alberta where we were, which is just overrun with bears. I mean, had you ever imagined you were going to see that many bears? Yeah. I mean, the first night we were out there, there was eight, nine different bears just cruising around. Crazy. All within five to 15, 20 yards. Yeah. Crazy. It was insane. You know, one of the stories that Cam told, I think, gave me one of the biggest lessons and takeaways of the trip for me was when he told about there was a mother with her cubs and the cubs were kind of cruising around and then a boar big male bear came in and then killed one of the cubs and i think the mother like scared her off scared off the boar and so there was just a dead cub that she had there and so for a moment the mother kind of like wanders around and looked like she was

like mourning the death of this cub, but just for a moment. And then within minutes, you know, seconds, it was eating the cub. The mother was eating her own cub. And that was like a really, you know, we humans have this idea of this trauma that we carry. Like if our kid got killed, you know, we would carry that trauma for the rest of our life. But for the bear, yeah, there was a moment of recognition. But bears are constantly living in the present moment. They're like the embodiment of the present moment. And in the present moment, that death happened in the past. That death was over. What's there now is

there's meat on the ground that'll feed her and provide, you know, an opportunity for her to live longer and provide for the rest of her cubs. So it's a simple decision at that point, if we don't carry the traumas of our past with us. There's meat on the ground. You eat the meat. You know, that simple thing. And that's – in that way, it's why, like, nature is really perfect because nature is always in the present moment. You know, like I was blasted on the mushrooms and I went to that bear carcass near where Cam had killed his bear. They had this just decomposing bear carcass, which, you know, taking mushrooms and seeing a decomposing bear carcass with maggots.

Well, it wasn't really that decomposing. Like, was it one from the night before? No, that was one from a week before. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was like there was another one that they'd already taken all the skin and all the meat off of. So it was just the bones and the organs that were there. And Cam had his bear was still nice. It wasn't even smelling or anything.

It looked great, fresh. But this other bear, which was right in the same area, it was really interesting because I was, you know, very aware of the forest around it. And I just looked at the forest around it and the forest was not mourning the death of the bear. The forest was in the present moment. It was just going about the business of returning that bear to spare parts. It had no traumatic memory of that incident. And it's really how, how nature acts perfectly because it's always in the present moment. Like this, the body doesn't weep for the death of a cell, you know, cells die all the time, but the body's in the present. So it just carries on. It doesn't carry that trauma with it, you know, and ultimately the forest doesn't weep for the death of the bear. And ultimately the cosmos won't weep for the death of the earth when the sun explodes.

No, you know, like everything will just be in the present. And that's, that's where, you know, this, the ease of all the suffering is so much of our own suffering is we're carrying all these dead bodies of the past with us all the time and these expectations of the future. And that's where we get so fucked up. But if we really look to nature, nature has this allure and this beauty because it's just constant presence embodied. It's just looking on the bleeding edge of now and making decisions based upon that rather than these mental constructs. Yeah, it's this beautifully intense system that's just constantly moving.'s just constantly moving forward it's one of the things that i find so attractive about wolves and i think many people do that they're so

romantic in that their their existence is so vibrant and powerful and so brief you know if a wolf is super lucky they get to 10 you know they get imagine imagine you know i mean my my middle daughter's eight years old like wrap your head around that a wolf is like almost dead like i have a dog that's 10 he's almost done you know he's got gray all over his face and he limps when he walks now and he likes to lay down mostly you know that's that's a wolf man 10 years it's all they get but during that 10 year fuck they live yeah they're just running howling together and grabbing the back i mean that's one of the crazy things about wolves too that i admire in some sort of real fucked up way that they kill for fun like they sport kill

you know it's people that love animals when you bring that up they defend it to the death oh my god they go off about it and know well the animals, when you bring that up, they defend it to the death. Oh, my God. They go off about it. And, well, the animals are probably sick and they're taking them out. Nope. They're having a fucking blast. They're running around and tearing these elk apart. Like we were talking about it a couple of weeks ago.

They found 19 dead elk that these wolves didn't even eat. They call them surplus kills. They just go on rampages. You know, I have a friend of mine who lives up in BC and he said, they'll get into like sheep, like they'll find like a pen of sheep and they'll kill 19, 20 of them. They just rip them apart. They don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck.

They're just having fun. Yeah. It's part of what they are that like we have this like intense romantic connection to wolves it's like they have a little bit of us in them they have a little bit of party in them you know they're howling and shit and having a good old time and they have battles with each other to see who becomes the king you know it's so did you see that video recently of these folks were in canada and they were uh driving folks were in Canada and they were driving down the highway. And as they were driving, they saw these mountain goats running or sheep running away from a wolf.

And the wolf's chasing them. And the wolf tackles the fucking sheep and kills it instantly right in front of them. It's always fucking Canada. Like that Martin that killed the bear. See if you can find it though because it's pretty cool. And it's pretty cool to see a wolf takes out sheep. Mountain, yeah,

Rocky Mountain sheep. But when the wolf took out the sheep, he carries this thing up the side of the hill like you would carry a five year old. And it's things like basically his size. And he just grabs it with his face here it is see these see he breaks away we'll back up a little bit so you can see and give us some volume look at this it breaks off and

watch this BAM bitch that's a wrap rar rips it apart instantly look at that instant death I mean there's no quicker kill than a wolf and a sheep I mean it's it's it's it's still breathing but its neck is snapped and it's done fucking beautiful animal that wolf is now watch when he grabs it he's like get over here bitch look at this. Don't open that window too wide. Yeah, he might come and get you, bitch. Well, he probably wouldn't.

No, he's got that sheep right there. People probably taste like shit. Probably taste like Cheetos and cigarettes. Yeah. The fucking animal, it's such a fucking majestic animal. I think that's why we have such a allure to it. People love animals so much is because they're not carrying around all the bullshit that we are. They're just living full and presently. And they're not straddled with these concepts of morality and these different things.

They're just living to the most of their directive. It's like in the present, you have the idea of eternity with you. It's like you're not worried about this other stuff so they you know you just go and you just fucking live to the very fullest and we can count those moments that we have as our best moments in life you know and we can recall maybe dozens of times if we're lucky there'll be hundreds of times in those in a normal person's life where they're just totally present, embodied, free, doing exactly what they fucking want to do. Yeah. And in a lot of ways, the world that we've constructed, the modern world with social media and with constantly being inundated with new news stories

that have almost nothing to do with you. They're on the other side of the world. You know, someone got shot on the other side of the planet. Someone fell off of a mountain. You know, this guy died in a fiery car accident, a thousand miles from you. I mean, all this stuff is like constantly going on. It's constantly coming at you. And it makes it really difficult to focus on the actual life that you're living. I mean, we almost are getting too much data. I think that's, that's one element, but I think the more toxic element is the look at me element, which is the here's what I'm doing at this time. Here's me Snapchatting this. Because it puts the—

I was just about to take a picture of you and put it on Instagram saying that. Irony. It puts the awareness of other people watching you into the forefront of your mind. So like right now, that was a fucked up smile i just gave you that because i was thinking about you taking a picture of me so it changed my behavior it wasn't candid it wasn't normal and that's what we're doing constantly we have we have this idea that everybody's looking at us and we're it's we're like we really are the stage actors and that was that famous line from you know william shakespeare we all but actors in the world is a stage. Well, with social media, it becomes that.

We're always just acting and playing this role that's not our authentic self. Like, bear down, ass on the grass. Like, what the fuck is this thing? Let me get back in touch with the monkey and figure out what feels good for it and what I want to do. And it becomes your world.

Like, it might not be your world, but it becomes your world. When you're one of those yoga booty girls that just sticks her ass up in the air for all her Instagram pictures do and it becomes your world like it might not be your world but it becomes your world when when you're one of those uh yoga booty girls that just sticks her ass up in the air for all her instagram pictures and now god bless them god bless them thank god thank god they're out there but when when there's a gal like that that has five million instagram followers and her notifications are constantly coming in she's checking her likes and damn girl you hot damn girl Damn girl, you fine. Oh shit, can I get with you? And they're looking at all their comments

and they're getting all that love and all that attention. Then that becomes them. And then, I mean, I would hope that they're well-rounded and they also read books and they also do a lot of other things and they meditate and take yoga

and really get it. But it's highly likely they don't. It's highly likely that they just stare at the pictures of their own ass and go back to the gym you know for the second time in a day and do deadlifts and just fucking pump that ass up and they're thinking about getting fat injected into it and like christ yeah what people fail to realize is that that in itself is a pressure and that pressure needs a response of equal magnitude in order to balance here it's like all of these people with with fame you, especially fame that you really didn't work that hard for.

So I think where athletes and kind of just celebrities, pop culture celebrities or Instagram celebrities, have a little bit of a different feel because that athlete knows all the fucking quiet moments. Like Steph Curry knows all of those hundreds of thousands of shots he took when nobody was watching and dribbling around and practicing and practicing. So when he gets out there, what he's doing and what he's known for,

it makes sense and it's solid. It's like grounded in something. But all of a sudden, you have a great ass and the ability to take a decent photo and you've got the reach of 5 million people. I think that amount of pressure really fucks with you and you have, you've got the reach of 5 million people. I think that amount of pressure really fucks with you. And you have to take extreme measures to counteract that and

to get yourself back grounded again, more time in nature, meditation, floating, eating weed, whatever you want to do, you know, find that other thing to counteract that, like recognize it for what it is. And don't just look at the positive aspect of it. Look at the negative that it's having. Because I think if you don't, we see the effects of that all the time. We see the Robin Williams. We see the people who are dying of these overdoses that ostensibly should be happy as fuck, but they're not. They haven't dealt with the pressure of fame in a way that's as aggressive as the pressure that it's caused on. Yeah. Robin Williams might not be the best example because we had Bobcat in the other day,

and Bobcat was a really good friend of Robin's, and Robin was diagnosed with several illnesses. One of them was Parkinson's, but there was another one. There was a brain illness that he was diagnosed with. Do you remember the name of it, Jamie? Lewy body disease, I believe is what it's called. But it directly affects the way he perceived the world like he had a real issue yeah like all right so philip seymour yeah yeah yeah yeah a lot there's a million guys yeah

batman or whatever the joker was heath ledger yeah you know he's a pill guy yeah yeah so the pressure but they're responding to the pressure in a way that's yeah deleterious for their life rather than responding to the pressure being like, man, this is fucked up. I got all of these people looking at me. I got to do some other work. And society's not pushing them in that way either. They're just saying more, more, more. Get another role.

Get more followers. It's like the demon voice that you have from your act. Exactly. They have that fucking thing in their head rather than the other guy like hey man yeah go fucking on a vision quest like find some mountains by yourself where nobody's watching and you don't have to act at all you can just be you well this is i wrote a note earlier because we were talking about depression and i've always wondered um if the depression that people see in mass today there's so much depression that that people, I mean, there's a, it's a common

trait. Like it's, it's a common condition. Oh, he suffers from depression. Oh, she suffers from depression. Like, oh, he's got herpes. You know, you know what I mean? It's like, it's a, it's a common thing. I've always wondered, or I've been wondering more and more recently. Um, it really hit me when, have you ever seen, uh, Heinmomo's Arctic Adventure it was one of the first uh vice pieces that I ever saw I think the first vice piece I ever saw in fact no the first one was David Cho looking for a dinosaur in the Amazon or was he in the Congo I think he was in the Congo. David Cho is so fucking crazy. I love that guy. He went to Africa. The guy's worth like $100 million. He went to Africa looking for a fucking dinosaur that definitely doesn't exist.

But Vice has done some awesome stuff. But one of the things they did that was really interesting was this guy. His name is Heinmo. I think that's how you say it. H-E-I-M. Here here it is heinmo's uh heinmo i had an n in there i think heinmo's arctic refuge and this guy lives in this incredibly remote area of the arctic national wildlife refuge in the alaskan interior and he he lives in this really small log cabin and he hunts and gathers and that's all he does and he's very smart

like he's not a dummy at all and he's been up there he lives with his wife and his raised children up there and it's really really there's some dark moments in there because they lived like this from the time like when they had children up there and they lost their two-year-old baby in a fucking canoe like they tipped over you know in a canoe and lost their kid and it's like it's really intense when they revisit the site and leave flowers and it was like 30 years ago and they had several children since then but this moment is still like this intense moment of loss for them when they lost their baby but this fucking guy is very happy and very very smart and very connected and very articulate and he firmly believes that human beings when we

evolved and developed and were hunter-gatherers, that there's a set of rewards. There's reward systems that are set up inside the human body, inside the very being that we embody that don't get met in today's society. And that's one of the things that's causing depression. that people are in is that we're living our lives, many of us at least, in these very unfulfilling ways where you're going to this office with artificial light and you're doing something you don't want to do all day long and then you get home and you're tired. And on top of that, you're eating shit. You're eating potato chips and you're drinking soda and your body is just like, what in the fuck is this?

We're supposed to be out in the fields. We're supposed to be walking up hills. We're supposed to be out in the fields. We're supposed to be walking up hills. We're supposed to be looking for animals or gathering vegetables. We're supposed to be doing all these things that our body's designed to do. We're supposed to be in nature. And nature is like a medicine. Like it literally is a medicine to you. People that go, you don't have to go hunting.

You don't have to go fishing. Just go fucking hike, man. Just go hike up to the top of a mountain and look out. to go you don't have to go hunting you don't have to go fishing just go fucking hike man just go hike up to the top of a mountain and look out you know there's a reward that you get from that that is intensely like soul filling there's like something about like when i was in colorado and there was this um this area of boulder where you drive up one of these roads and there was this area where you could park and it was this incredible view man these people just park and just go out there and just look but you get there and you park and you go fuck because you would see you're literally seeing the continental divide these

snow-capped mountains in july yeah in july it's covered with snow because those mountains don't give a perspective oh just this whole new perspective on it. And I think the ease of suffering is always in presentness. When you're in presentness, truly locked in presentness, there is no suffering. There can be pain, but no suffering. Suffering is something created by our own minds. And I think nature is one of the great ways to do this. Because humans, we learn, we take cues from our environment. And nature, as i was

saying earlier is always in the present you know there's this natural presentness of all the animals everything around you whereas if you get around a bunch of people watching housewives and stressed about this and popping pills you're going to take on that energy too and you're going to lose your presentness because of your surroundings so it's like this ultimate regrounding tool where we get back to, ah, present moment again, you know, and that's such a fucking key element to human happiness. And I think the other key element is having something where we're fighting for, you know, having a mission. I think we're all forces and that force needs to have an effect, needs to have a reason that it's moving in a certain direction. And i think with all of our needs and all of our

needs met you know where we don't have to hunt for food we don't have to acquire everything everything's relatively easy and it's all about advancement and all this we've lost a lot of the basic mission which was the mission to survive and procreate you know so and we haven't replaced it with any other universal mission which is i think one of the the big allures of these things like wars and these things like creating an enemy, well, at least then you have a mission. And when you have a mission, human beings are happy. You know, like Bertrand Russell talked about, he did a book, Conquest of Happiness, and he had his own fucked up attributes. Every time I bring him up, people talk about his fucked upness. He was

into phrenology and he might've been a racist, whatever, but he was a good philosopher. Smoked constantly. Yeah. But but anyways he talked about the happiest person he knew the happiest person he could find was a groundskeeper on a manor who every day woke up and was at war with the rabbits of the ground he just declared that the rabbits were the fucking enemy and he would go out with his gun and he would hunt as many as possible and he'd go morning till till night and he would kill as many rabbits as he could because it was hit the rabbits were the ones eating the hedges and the flowers and whatever so he basically made the rabbits his enemy and struck out every single day to kill as many

rabbits as possible and that dude according to burton russell was happy as fuck he had a task he had a task he had a purpose you know he had a mission my mission is to destroy the rabbits i used to have a dog like that. Yeah? I had the happiest dog ever. His name was Frank Sinatra. And he was a pit bull that all he lived for was killing lizards. And my house, my old house, not the house over now, but my old house, had this one, it's like on a hill. And there's this one wall where these lizards would run up the wall.

And so Frank, I would literally let him out in the morning, and he would fucking bolt out that door. It's like, time to go to war. And he would run and go look for these lizards. And he would stand there like Eddie Bravo would just watch it and marvel. He'd be like, fuck, man, this dog does this every day. This dog does this every day. I'd go, this is what he loves to do. And he would go there, and he would have his paws on the wall. And he would

go crazy and he would jump up and try to grab a lizard and occasionally he would get one. And he'd be like, fuck yeah! And he would get one and he would go looking for another one. And it was a pretty big yard. So he would go wandering around the yard looking for anything else that fucked up. Anything else that was slipping. And it was constantly

unfortunately, twice I had to take him to the hospital because he got bit by rattlesnakes. Because rattlesnakes were slipping too, apparently. He killed the rattlesnakes, but the rattlesnakes fucked him up. He had like a water balloon growing out of the side of his head. Both of my dogs, by the way, that's a real problem if you don't have the money to pay for the serum.

It's super expensive. It was several thousand dollars to treat them for this rattlesnake venom, anti-venom shit. I was like, man, what if I was poor? That's a whole fucked up system. They inject horses with the venom and then they get the antibodies from the horses.

It's like this archaic system. I think my friend Donald Schultz is working on, he's a big snake handler guy. He's working on ways to innovate around that because it's kind of like a real backwards system that they have, how you get anti-venom. Well, a horse will survive so let's just fucking put the

venom in there and we'll get the antibodies from the horse and then, you know, it's a weird thing how they do it. Yeah, well that's a real problem with people that are vegans. If you're a vegan and you don't use any animal products and you get bit by a rattlesnake. You got two choices. Compromise your morals?

Well, that's a wrap. Yeah. You know? But this dog was so goddamn happy. He had missions. You know, he would go out of that yard, and he wasn't bored. He was like, please take me for a walk. Come on, man.

He was like, see you, dude. I'd open that door. He was gone. He just had his little mission and i think you can see that in the people who are the most unhappy they seem aimless they're like what am i here for why am i doing this nothing makes sense you know and i've even felt it in my own life when you know i know what my mission here is for my mission is to expand human consciousness to help people be happy like that's really what i find my greatest purpose in but every once in a while i'll get this kind of like fuck people

attitude maybe someone said some fucked up shit i'm like man people fucking suck fuck people and then at that point that's when i'm actually depressed you know because i've lost my mission instead of having a mission like yes my mission is human consciousness all of a sudden it's like fuck people fuck that mission They'll figure it out. And then I'm depressed because I've lost my purpose. It's very hard to rise above like literally when something like that happens and realize like, oh, you're encountering one diseased individual. You've got to look at the mass of humanity. Like when you encounter one diseased individual, it's so like this guy who shot up that nightclub in Orlando. You're looking at one diseased individual. It's so, like this guy who shot up that nightclub in Orlando,

you're looking at one diseased individual. And if you say, man, people fucking suck, look at what they did. Well, look at how many people that are responding with rainbows on their Twitter pages and love and all the best wishes to those folks that got killed and all that. I mean, I was looking at this guy's page who's an animal lover who was organizing people to go to the homes of the victims and see if they have pets that are trapped. You know, there's just beautiful people out there. Yeah. There's a lot. There's more beautiful people. This is without a doubt not just the safest, the easiest.

This is the happiest time in terms of like being able to like reach out and send love to people and have people send love to you. But just occasionally you run into cunts. Yeah. And the cunts itself. The beauty is out there, too. It's just not as dramatic. And it doesn't impose upon us as forcefully. But if we just look, it's around all the time.

We run into good people all the time. But you just make eye contact with that good person or that kid who's just looking at you and just creeping with that little smile and you're like oh yeah the good of humanity the fact that you know we really are love you know being expressed you know outwardly all the time and it's just these other delusions that get in the way of that well we're oddly attracted to negativity too it's almost like we look at negativity online or that you run into is like a possibility of war. Like you have to look out. There's fucking drums beating. God damn it.

There's an army on the background. They're coming. They're coming. But, you know, it's like this real impulse to sort of batten down the hatches when really it's just some fucking 36-year-old loser sitting in his parents' basement, you know, farting and smelling his own farts and angry online. I mean, that's really what a lot of you're dealing with. You're dealing with really sick people, people that have just, for whatever reason, they've

not found their path. They've not found any happiness. They've not found any fulfillment. They haven't found any growth. They're just stifled or rotten in some sort of a weird way. It just hasn't really worked for them. And so they're lashing out. It just hasn't really worked for them. And so they're lashing out. They're lashing out at the world. And you run into one of those,

and you're like, ah, people suck. Yeah. And that's the initial response. And then the more conscious response is to look at them and have compassion for that person. That's hard to do, right? That is hard to do. And our system isn't based upon that. Even if you look at the US penal system, it's very much about punishment. Whereas if you watch that documentary that Michael Moore did, Who to Invade Nest, where they go to Norway, they have a whole different idea of what the penal system is for. It's about restoring human dignity and cultivating, you know, a change, really making change in the person. It's not about punishment. It's about actually changing that individual so he doesn't do it again. And then you look at the recidivism rates between our prisons and Norway's prisons, and they're just dramatically different.

That impulse to punish immediately is not the healthiest impulse. That's just going to create more issues down the road. You're not rehabilitating anybody. You're just taking even more broken people and putting them out in the world and hoping they're not going to do the broken things. Well, it's not going to fucking work. You know, the right impulse is always that compassion and looking to see as if that was you, how all of these fucked up elements of the world and choices. I'm not overriding the fact that they had choices in all this. They're not free of guilt.

But look at that like this is the person that just made some bad choices and had some tough shit to deal with and couldn't overcome it the resistance in the video game was higher than his skill set and he wasn't able to to choose to work and choose to the the positive elements that would allow him to overcome it you know yes it's it's also norway's dealing with far fewer people it's true you know that's that's a good thing for them. And it's also, they don't have that conquerors mentality that we have. So we're so wrapped up in success and also in punishment. I mean, that is a big aspect of our culture, like punishment. And I mean, like when anybody does anything wrong online, the amount of people that

feel like it's their job to shame that person and embarrass that person and and insult that person it's pretty crazy to watch when something goes down it's also it's all so counterproductive you know and i see that in the people shaming people for appropriation right so let's say for example someone wears a headdress at a fucking festival, right? They're probably mildly, they're not doing it to mock the Native Americans most likely. It's probably like a mild appreciation and interest. I think this looks cool. I'm in a place and, you know. And then all of a sudden they get all this intense hate and shame and putting all of this stuff, all of these intentions on them that weren't true.

Again, going back to my point about morality, it's not about the act. act it's about the intentions of the act but right now we make it all about the act oh you wore this headdress that means you're insulting thousands of years of native americans you're oppressing you're appropriating like no i fucking wasn't i was wearing a fucking hair headdress but then all of a sudden that imprint will create trauma and that trauma will have a poisonous impact that will make them feel weird and make them want to do that to other people. So it's like you're injecting someone with a, like a hate virus, you know, that they're going to then pass on to other people rather than doing the opposite, you know, spreading the love herpes where it's this contagious positivity that goes

the other way. And we have those choices with how to deal with people. But more often than not, we come with this thing to punish and create more trauma, which triggers their own self-judge and their own self-hate, lowers their own self-love. And then they're going to pass that off to kids, family members, people around them. You know, there's just two sets of dominoes that we can choose to take, to take either path. And the concept of culture appropriation is so stupid because culture itself is bullshit. Culture itself is just a bunch of shit that people have done over and over again as a habit. So your idea that no one should appropriate someone's other bullshit habits is so fucking ridiculous.

Like, you shouldn't wear your hair like that because other dummies have been wearing their hair like that for a hundred years. And they've decided that this is theirs. They own thelock yeah you know or they own the braids or they are it's fucking nonsense it's nonsense and it's just one of those things that michael schirmer likes to call virtue signaling where you see someone who's doing something and in chastising them you're not just trying to stop them from doing it. You're also letting the world know how ethical and how moral you are.

And so you get a lot of like really goofy fucking white people who get mad at other white people for doing things that they deem to be cultural appropriation. And it's one thing if you're deeply embedded and rooted in that culture. What is that thing that Hindu people put on their forehead when they're in love? Oh, I don't know, in thing that, uh, Hindu people put on their, their forehead when they're in love? Oh, I don't know. In love. They put the third eye symbol on there.

Yeah. I think it has something to do with love. Is it a Bindi? Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've, I've seen people get upset at people,

you know, appropriating that and like, but what is that? You get, you get a sticker on your head, man, for real. Well,

what about us? We're wearing tattoos. Clearly, that's someone's culture. Yeah. I mean, the kind that we have is fairly American, I guess. But mine are like, Aaron De La Vadova did mine in sort of a Japanese style. Yeah, I got a fucking Japanese tattoo on my ribs. Yeah, this is sort of cultural appropriation.

We're in a time where we need all the best ideas ever you know what i mean like we need to bring everything that's good and everything that made sense and everything that can tap people back into something positive we need all of that stuff we don't need to we need so we need to gather all of the best practices of the culture that's the fucking beautiful part of the time we're in we can go eat moroccan food or chinese food or japanese food we can go enjoy all of these things. And we need all of this enjoyment because there's all kinds of other fucked up stuff that's going on as well that we have to deal with. So, I mean, I just have such the opposite idea that, you know, like Tesla's doing with his patents, this idea of protect and hold. This is our own shit. Nobody else get it. That's to the detriment of the world.

Everybody should want to share all the ideas and best practices that they have. Be like me secretly doing psychedelics. I'm happy you're not, motherfuckers. Fuck you. It doesn't make any sense. You want to talk about it and say, this is what worked for me. This is, hey, how can you improve yourself too? Well, ironically, that's what people believe. The biblical scholars who have studied

the connection between psychedelics and ancient religions, I'd say believe where it all went wrong is that they tried to hold back these psychedelic rituals and hide them from conquering armies. And that's what John Marco Allegro believed that Christianity was really initially all about. It was about writing down these things in the Bible in parables and hiding them in these stories and that these stories were to mask it from the conquerors, from being conquered by the Roman army. Yeah. And then really the opposite is what they needed. They needed to share this, open source it as widely as possible. So you look at that period, it's riddled with war and atrocities and all this fucked up stuff that's happened. It's in the human record and in the archaeological record.

You know, cities built, destroyed, built, destroyed, barbarians, blah, blah, blah. Then you go take the counterpoint of that to a culture, ancient Chavin in Peru, which archaeologically has been shown that for 700 years, there was no records of war in this region around Chavin. And Chavin were the curators of wachuma, the plant medicine which enhances serotonin, a very heart-opening medicine that I've talked about here on this podcast. But they would give it to everybody. You just showed up. Maybe you brought a seashell as a gift. Maybe you didn't. It didn't matter. They would hold these open ceremonies for everybody who came, kings, peasants.

They didn't differentiate. They would hold these open ceremonies for everybody who came. Kings, peasants, they didn't differentiate. They were offering this to everybody. And everybody was just more open. And the records of war and the destructions and that, it's just not there in the archaeological record. And it has a lot to do. Obviously, you can't prove causation, but the correlation between them open sourcing these psychedelic rituals to everybody, and there not being war for hundreds and hundreds of years is absolutely there. And that's, causation, but the correlation between them open sourcing these psychedelic rituals to everybody, and they're not being war for hundreds and hundreds of years is absolutely there. And that's should it is where people went wrong, because they tried to hoard information for power, because that knowledge, of course, yields power. If you have the knowledge, and only you have it, you'll have power over people who don't. Whereas real know heart-based power leading with your heart forward

just open source all that let it all sort itself out yeah it only makes sense that if you want the world that you live in to be a better place you've got to tell the things that have made tell people the things that have made your life better yeah and the things that made your life fucked up don't hide that shit either don't pretend like you're perfect and things don't fuck you up and everything is good. Like people need to hear all of it. Like, oh yeah, I tried this thing. It was fucking terrible. I wouldn't want to do that again.

But how could they possibly have known that thousands of years ago? You know what I mean? It's, I would love to have gone back in time. I would love to go back in time, like several thousand years, just be invisible, be in like some sort of a invisible cone of protection and just sit down in a village, you know, in ancient days and somewhere in a really populated area of the world, whether it's Greece or Rome or wherever. And just try to try to take in what these fucking people were doing, how they were living and look at what they, when they're essentially like, they're not just our ancestors. They're, uh, I think we can look at ancient cultures and ancient societies and see if we look back and see all of their weird, crazy stories and traditions and the way they sort of established their government.

And we look at what we're doing now. And if you sort of extrapolate deep into the future, like where we're like, these are all, this is just, it's not that long ago. It's a small little blip in time. And there's obviously some sort of a process going on, some sort of a process of improvement and of, uh, of innovation in some sort of a weird way, innovation of culture and society and communication. And I think that's one of the things that we're dealing with now with this age of information and all the data that we have to sift through and all the communication that we have to sift through.

We're becoming some new thing. And it's happening in our lifetime. And it's happening in a really fucking confusing way. And it's one of the things that makes people yearn for the past. It makes people yearn for the good old days. It makes a slogan like Donald Trump's, make America great again. What the fuck does that mean? It's never been better. It's never been better than right now. Make America great again. How could it be greater? When has it ever been better than right now for anybody? This is the safest time. There's the most communication. There's the most information available. There's

the most medicine available. Medical science can save people. You can live healthier lives. We know more about nutrition. We understand more about the body. Like, when was it better? Yeah. And still, we're in this weird transitional period that I think we all can notice because truth hasn't percolated down to the rest of society. And it's a frustrating point. We know that people should not be getting thrown in jail for marijuana. That's not a debatable fact. The act of throwing them in jail is bad for the person.

The act of taking the marijuana is not bad for society. The truth is there, but still we're in this lag and the lag is really frustrating people because, you know, but that's just the, that's just the nature of it. It's like when you go from switching from McDonald's to starting to eat healthy and drinking kale shakes, the body doesn't respond instantly. You know, you have to be patient with the body. Like it's not just because you change your mind. The mind is instant. You can change your mind and instantly it's changed, But the body is different and so is society. Like, it's going to take a while for truth to percolate all the way through. And in the process, like if you switch from McDonald's to going on a juice fast, you're going to feel like shit.

You know, all the toxins are going to come up. Everything is going to bubble up through the body. And you're going to have this massive detoxification period where you actually feel worse than if you had just continued to eat McDonald's all the time because the body's going to go through the process of re-acclimating to a new way. And I think we're in a little bit of that stage now where truth has come out in a lot of different aspects of things, but it hasn't percolated all the way through. So we're going through this kind of societal detox where we haven't applied the knowledge that is there readily available. I have feelings on that too, where I think that a lot of this resistance to new knowledge and new information, and even the resistance to freedom,

like the marijuana laws and a lot of the things that we deeply, deeply disagree with, that this is all in some sort of a way fueling change, that the resistance actually fires people up and makes them more motivated to move forward. It actually strengthens the resolve of the resistance to know that there's so much ignorance out there in the world. Like when some slob like Chris Christie starts going on about nonsense, saying how dangerous marijuana is, meanwhile he's clearly abusing the fuck out of his meat vehicle.

I mean, that guy, if anybody should not talk about health and consequences of negative actions, it's someone who's morbidly obese, who's already gone through fucking stomach surgery and still morbidly obese. But that guy, whether he knows it or not, through his ignorant statements has fueled a massive amount of resistance there's people that have like fucking doubled down on

their resolve because of the stupid shit that he said and actually fuels things in a positive way and in a horrible way even a mass killing of gay people like what happened to Orlando horrible terrible tragedy but But ultimately, that's not going to stop people from being gay. What it's going to do is it's going to fuel all the people like you and me who have nothing but love and acceptance for everybody, regardless of your sexual persuasion, to double down on that and to get that out more. And that's where all the people on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and all the social media posts about love and respect and and not giving a fuck I've seen I don't know how many fucking memes

from that bit that I did about there's two reasons to hate gay marriage you know you're you're either dumb or you're secretly worried the dicks are delicious that is fucking all over the place after one of these things happen. And that and then a million other ones like it and a million other rainbows and hearts in the shape of a rainbow. And it's people double down on their acceptance, double down the resolve. And there might be some people that were on the fence that might have had some negative ideas about gay people and see all this and go, man, you can't fucking kill people in

a nightclub just because they're gay. That's crazy. And then they might open their mind a little bit more and then they might read a little bit more. And then they might see an interview with some gay people that are holding hands and go, well, why do I give a fuck? Like, what is this? What is it?

What religion? What's some ancient stupid tradition? Is it cultural appropriation? Like, what is it? You know, what is it about this idea that people should or shouldn't love people of one sex or another sex? And if they do love them, they definitely shouldn't fuck them. You know, I love you. Like, we're really good friends.

We've never fucked. I hope we never do. But you know what I'm saying? Like, why would anybody care if you love somebody and then you wind up touching your body with them and pleasuring each other? Like to some people, that becomes this taboo worthy of violence. That's a nonsense point of view that is highlighted by horrific acts. And these horrific acts, as horrible and despicable as they are, in fact, fuel people to be more open and more understanding.

It's like the more you push back, the more the resistance grows. Yeah. And that's a point that you always fall back on. That's absolutely 100% right. I mean, the obstacle is the way. These things that, you know, in any video game, you need resistance in order to test your skills and improve. In a weight room, you need gravity and the additional weights

to stress your body so that you respond. And that's the same case with all of these elements. We underestimate the value of resistance. And that's a great constant reminder, like, yeah, there's a lot of fucked up things that happen, but that resistance will allow us to cultivate our own consciousness and our own love in a much greater way than if it wasn't there. And so in a lot of ways, to really grow, you have to seek out resistance in your own life. And it'll come naturally in society. But put yourself up against your own fears to grow and put yourself up against it.

And when these things do happen, they are great natural things that you can rally behind and then bring forth your best attributes and best aspects. Cause that's what, that's what allows us to grow. It's, it's resistance. Absolutely. I mean, that's what working out is. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty obvious. Like if you don't train hard, your body does not grow. If you don't put forth effort, your body does not get stronger. You don't get more endurance unless you push yourself. There's only one way. And it's, you got to go through something hard in order to get something good out of it. There's no other way. And that's one of the weirder things about being a person. Yeah. And really it comes down to, you know, people also, one of the things

that I've been ranting about a lot lately is choice. You know, and people this, we live in a society that loves to take choice from us and say, all right, everything is a disease. Everything is privilege. Everything is this thing. You know, you really didn't have a choice because there were these preconceived conditions. And it really is robbing us of choice because if we accept our inherent superpower, which is choice, then we have responsibility for who we are. And if we have responsibility for who we are, all of us have such a harsh self-judge that every failing we have, if we say, well, it was up to us, the judge just beats us to death about it.

So we'd rather shrug our responsibility and go with our hands up to the judge. Judge, it wasn't my fault. It wasn't my fault. Because we have such a harsh self-judge in our own head that we intend to do that. So we give up our inherent superpower, which is choice, because we don't want to take the responsibility. But at any point, we can take that back. And you have to deal with the judge. And you deal with the judge by making a pact to always forgive yourself. Forgive yourself for any of the fucked up things that have happened and just accept that we're all imperfect.

This idea of perfection is nonsense. We're all going to fuck up. We're all going to make mistakes. And so the judge is nonsense. You know, it's like we're all going to have come to the place we are, you know, through any variety of channels. And it's going to be an imperfect path no matter what. So continue to pound that own message of self-love and forgiveness, and then re-harness that element of choice so that we can then decide what we want to be, who we want to be, what we want to go, and put our intent forth. And yeah, and maybe not everything

is possible, but what better thing to do than to fail in the cause of your greatest wish and your greatest intention, your greatest desire. I mean, that's the ultimate warrior's death. That's what they would talk about with Valhalla, to find an enemy worthy enough to kill me in battle. That was the ultimate idea. And we can all choose those battles and choose that thing that we're fighting for. And fuck, if we fail, so what? But at least if we're going out on that way, we'll go out with a smile 100% of the time. But it starts with re-harnessing that choice and the worst people that you know are the people that don't have a good self-judge that everything they do is awesome yeah those motherfuckers never grow

anywhere right i mean that's a huge issue with comedy um when you run into people that have a terrible comedy sets but think they did great. Like we would always, Greg Fitzsimmons and I would always talk about that with like open micers. Like there's people that hear Phantom Labs, like they think they're doing great. And they have this delusional self opinion where everything they do is awesome. And they don't know why they're not successful already. They don't know why they're not famous. And those people, I believe, I mean, in some sort of a weird narcissistic way, you could look at it this way that those people are there to teach you. This is the consequences of not

feeling that awful feeling when you fail. Well, that comes from the ego being so fragile, that their ego is so fragile that they can't accept the fact that they may have not done a good job. So they will manufacture ideas in their heads so that they did a good job no matter what, because their ego can't take the truth of the blow. Like, man, you fucking bombed out there. Right. It's so, so it comes from insecurity and fragility. And then they create this ridiculous story in their head about what it is because they can't withstand that truth. Because ultimately it, I think it all comes from the same thing this lack of self-love that lack of ability to be like man i fucking shit the bed and i'm okay you know

everything's okay i'll be all right with that you know you know but the good ones can you know i was talking to burr um a couple weeks ago he did a set at the comedy store and i saw part of it it was uh he was killing and then i ran into him in the hallway and uh i go oh man main room show was great right and he goes yeah i fucked up at the end though i tried to hang in there too long the last bit bombed like he was just it was rotten at him that the last bit like he goes i fucking hung in there too long i should have got off of that bit before that fuck you know like but you know when i was in there he was fucking killing you know but that wasn't in his mind the success was not in his mind this the what was like okay whatever that

happened at the end don't fucking do that again right you know right but that's why he's bill burr that's why he's really good and then so he's able to take that feeling but at a certain point he'll be able to have a beer drink or whatever or whatever, dinner, and just laugh about it. And he's not going to carry that trauma forever. It's just like, feel it. Like, fuck, I could have almost had it. And that's healthy. But then ultimately, you have to have that moment of forgiveness where you're like, yeah, fuck it, of course.

Well, that's the beauty of being a comic as opposed to being a fighter. Because a comic can have that moment and just the next night go on stage, and I'm sure he killed. He's a super self-critical guy so whatever the bad moment at the very end was probably just fairly you know like less funny than normal you know what i mean i'm sure it was funny but like for a fighter like like here's a perfect example someone like luke rockhold who just got knocked out one round by michael bisping he's got a fucking rot with that that's gonna chew away at him that mistake that he made for months and months and months until he gets back in there again and even if he wins his next fight he didn't win that fight. That fight is still there. That fight's still going to be chewing away at him.

And if he's smart, he'll keep that. That's a little engine that when he's thinking about, like, when he's at the top of the hill and he's like, this has got to be the last sprint, that engine will be like, wrong, bitch! Michael Pistring knocked you out and he mocked you. Fuck! And then he'll get right back to the bottom of that hill and hopefully he won't blow his joints

out and break his body with that kind of motivation because that also can happen to people where they their motivation sort of it out pushes the physical capacity of their meat vehicle yeah that's a possibility too you got to be real careful with that but but that even though it seems like a terrible thing that happened to him is not just a good thing for him. It's a good thing for all martial artists. It's a good thing to understand. You are a human being. Your jaw is made out of bone.

Your skin is made out of flesh. The nerves are just like anybody else's nerves. If you get cracked by a left hook the way Michael Biss being cracked Luke Brockhold, you're going night-night. Everybody goes night-night. Unless you're Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt seems to be able to little bit pretty fucking tremendous shots you know it just it goes back to that idea that the act is neither good nor bad it's how you respond to it you know like another kook carlos castaneda he had a great quote that for the ordinary person everything is

a blessing or a curse but for the warrior there there are only challenges. And that's, you know, really applies to fighting. At this point, that was neither a blessing nor a curse that he got knocked out by Michael Bisping. It's his response to it. Is he going to respond like GSP did when he got knocked out by Matt Serra and, you know, revolutionize his fighting style and become the legend that we know him today? You know, yeah, maybe the old GSP was more exciting, but it carried way more risk. So he adapted and he became better and, you know, he became this indomitable force. See, I don't even think the regular GSP was more exciting. I, you know, exciting to me is a weird term.

Like when I look at the GSP that destroyed BJ Penn or John Fitch, that motherfucker was pretty goddamn exciting. And that's post Matt, Matt Serra. I think, but the Mattah uh analogy is a perfect one because it's the same sort of a thing he was fighting a dangerous guy that he underestimated yeah and by the way both of them won the ultimate fighter so it's perfect perfect analogy and both of them were huge underdogs and both of them went on to win with spectacular first round knockouts you got to respect everybody and human beings that are professional fighters,

even if you think you are better than them, they have weapons, man. They take people out. They all have. And you're a person. But you think that because you beat Chris Weidman, you destroyed Lyoto Machida, you beat the fuck out of all these people,

and you strangled Bisping the first time you met him, you're like, there's no way this guy's going to beat me. No way. It's impossible. And so you go in there super relaxed. And I remember when I was competing in the Taekwondo days, if I was relaxed and I didn't feel nervous, I fought like shit. Yeah. It was a terrible feeling.

Like I only fought well when I was scared. And I think that's a really important point for almost anybody. You know, you really have to have some element of danger involved in in the contest if that's not there if you just like you can't do shit to me you can't do shit to me and also boom that left hook lands and your legs go well that's the that's a key characteristic of being in flow state that the stakes have to be high like everybody uses surfing as an analogy well you can surf some baby ass waves some two foot waves on a sand bottom and you're not going to get in flow state you're just going to be kind of paddling and cruising around yeah but you surf that gnarly fucking double overhead on a reef on a coral reef bottom

fuck out you're in flow state let alone what like larry hamilton is doing surfing those monsters yeah you know when the stakes are high and you're really feeling that that's what drives you to your highest performance level so i got shane dorian coming in next week oh yeah can't wait talk to that guy about sharks and shit hell yeah that guy's a madman and he's a bow hunter too that should be a lot of fun but yeah these people that are that are doing really exciting really dangerous things they they carry with them the consequences of those really exciting really dangerous things like occasionally you're going to fail and when you fail it is important to know that you can fail it's important to know that no matter how much you have mastered whatever you're trying to do there are consequences to every zig and zag. Yeah. You know, it's just really about

mastering the ego. You know, the ego is the main thing that thwarts you on either side. It gives you this false sense of confidence and importance. Remember, I was recently reading Ryan Holiday's new book, Ego is the Enemy. And he has this story of the Persian King Xerxes, you know, who is immortalized in 300 and whatnot. And this guy was such an egomaniac, it makes sense that he got his ass kicked repeatedly. So they were building bridges over this canal, as the story, the historians wrote. And the water came up, the storm came in, storm surge,

and it wiped out the bridges. Well, then he ordered his men to take his chains and lash the water 30 times as punishment for knocking down the bridges. And he cut off the people's heads who made the bridges, right? he ordered his men to take his chains and lash the water 30 times as punishment, you know, for, for knocking down the bridge. And he cut off the people's heads who made the bridges, right?

Oh, so this fucking egomaniac. And then another story where he, he's trying to build this tunnel under a mountain and he sends a letter to the mountain, has his emissaries go out to announce this letter to the mountain saying to the mountain mountain, if you give us any trouble,

I will move you piece by piece into the sea king xerxes like what the fuck are you talking about you know so no just no acknowledgement he's been fed his own bullshit so much that he's just he thinks he's the god and he plays that role and then he runs into 300 bad motherfuckers at the hot gates at Thermopylae, and they just wipe out half of his forces because he can't fucking see beyond it. And there's so many ways that ego does that. It either inflates you or it makes you too fragile. And that's really, if you're going to be good at anything, you're going to have to come and confront that beast.

Well, isn't that the problem with royalty too, is that it's just sort of bestowed upon you? It's not earned. And so you have this distorted perception of your own greatness right that's sort of you could say that about a lot of hot chicks yeah royalty or like um reality tv stars it's the same thing you have all of this bestowed upon you for some mysterious combination of luck and timing and looks and whatever but royalty is the weirdest example of it. You know, I was at Disneyland a few weeks back with my family.

And I was talking to this guy that works there. And he was talking about this five-year-old boy who was a prince from some Middle Eastern country. And he came here with this huge group of guardians and watchers or whatever it was. But they were all at his beck and call. And so this five-year-old was telling all these adults what he wanted, when he wanted it, what he wanted done, and they all just scrambled and ran away. And he was saying, like, it was so bizarre

watching all these people terrified at the wrath, terrifying of the wrath of a five-year-old boy, and that this five-year-old boy wielded just fucking supernatural power. And he never earned any of it. He was just born a five-year-old boy. He was born this little child, and now he's lived for five years. He's just a boy. That's all he is.

He's never done shit. But they're all like, you know. I actually have a really unique perspective on that because my parents split when I was two and Very quickly two worlds developed. My dad was a wealthy commodities trader and I was his only child on that side my mom remarried to a SWAT team squad leader who had three older boys, you know, so those were my older stepbrothers So at my dad's house, I was the little prince, my dad was busy trading and doing his thing. And I had either bodyguards or other people around. And I could feel I could would develop these like punk tendencies

that come from that from having like, basically servants taking care of me half the time. And then I go back to my mother's house, and I split time half the week. I go back to my mother's house and my three older stepbrothers would just beat the punk out of me. Like literally, like what the fuck are you doing? You're like, you're being ridiculous here. And so, you know, it allowed me this perspective where I didn't get to go and follow down that path too long because it's, it's so alluring. You know, if you have power, you're going to take it, you know, especially if you're young, like, Oh, I got all this power. Oh, I'm not going to take it. I'm a five-year-old, but I know what's right. And I know, you know, if you can do that and you can push those buttons, you're for sure going to push those buttons as a

kid. And so it's important to, to have that balance. Fortunately for me, I had the other side to keep me, keep me in check. Cause I, I surely would have been a fucking menace if I had just gone down that other perfect older stepbrothers to not brothers, but stepbrothers for sure. So they have no problem beating the shit out of you. I remember one time I came, they bought us all paintball guns.

And I remember my, one of my older stepbrothers just laid in wait behind a wall like this. We were on the property. And he just could hear me coming and just shot me point blank in the fucking face with this paintball gun. Just lit me up, you know. And that's the thing. Like, obviously, at the time, I was not happy about it. But you learn things about the world and you get like a different toughness that comes from that form of resistance that if i didn't have that i wouldn't be nearly

the balanced person i was you know i am now i'm not fuck i'm not perfect or balanced or anything but that certainly fucking helped yeah i think competition is is good for that too failure losing you know um especially individual one-on-one type competition where you realize the consequences of not working hard and you run into someone who has worked hard. You know, I remember in my competing days, I had a chance to see some, when I was 19, I went to the Olympic Training Center and there was the World Cup in Colorado Springs and I got to see like the best of the world compete. And I remember seeing like this insanely high level. And it was one of the most important things as far as like my

development as a competitor, like seeing the top of the food chain, seeing the best guys and realizing like, fuck, look how hard they work. Like Jesus Christ. I was watching them train. I was watching guys compete. And I was realizing like, I'm not nearly as dedicated as these people are I'm not nearly as I have to ramp it up like in a big big big fucking way and seeing that and really comparing yourself against other people's efforts and realizing that you fall short is so critical for people it's so critical to to realize like oh that guy would fuck me up like look because if you're that five-year-old prince, that five-year-old prince probably has no idea that someone could beat his ass.

You know, he probably just thinks he just gets to yell at you and you have to get on your knees and start bowing and lowering your head. And if you don't experience other people's efforts, if you don't experience like a real competition where you see people pushing themselves as far as they can to try to win like a race where you see the the last few meters of the race where guys you could see it in their face the fucking struggle if you never do that if you never do that if you never push to that very edge of physical Capacity then you don't you don't really understand what's out there It's like one of the reasons why people who have never had any martial arts experience at all or don't know how to fight at all Gets so weird around confrontation with men

I mean how many times have you been around men who don't know how to fight but all of a sudden they get a few drinks In them they start yelling at people and talking crazy shit. It's like they don't know what to do. They're like confused. And so they're almost inviting their own doom. They're almost like sending out a bat signal for someone to punch them in the face. It's almost like a subconscious thing where they want someone to kick their ass because they kind of know that they're so unbalanced in their approach like that the fight club moment you know like they're going

to light their own place on fire and beat themselves up just to get that attribute out but you see that and the other thing is where people just don't take the idea that there may be consequences to their action to heart like yeah i had a perfect example of this. I was after partying with an ex gamer. I won't mention anything further than that, but an ex game guy, super successful, like 20, like 20 year old kid. And, and he's been so successful for so long. One of those like child prodigies. Right. And we go and he's, he's over at my apartment downtown in Austin. We were having fun and he continues to, he goes and immediately puts on his music and then he cranks it all the way up, full volume.

I'm like, yo, man, we got neighbors. You can't do that shit. You know, you can't crank it up. He's like, okay. And then he goes and he does it again and he goes and he does it again. And I keep warning him like, man.

So finally, like time number five, I go up to him. I go, you turn the fucking volume up. Shit's going to get real. And I looked at him with a whole different tone. And then he looked at me like, oh, my God, I didn't think that that consequence of my actions was even a fucking feasible possibility. Like that moment of like, oh, shit, this other dude may punch me if I fucking do this again and be that disrespectful.

disrespectful it was like you know for him he had surrounded himself with other people in this environment where just having respect for somebody and the consequences for repeated disrespect might actually be there was like a world-changing moment for him where he looked up like oh shit this is weird yeah i'm royalty yeah exactly you can't punch me exactly and then after that he was like shook by it and he kept saying like oh man you know no disrespect blah blah but he needed that moment of like look bro fucking shit will get real there are consequences you know this is not some fucking fantasy land here you know and then that moment totally changed totally changed things but people don't get those when they don't have that resistance they don't have the older step brother. They don't have that person that can step in and be like, yeah, fucking knock that shit off. Pay attention to the other people too. Don't just do what you want.

Exactly. You know, there's a thing about like, not necessarily just ex-gamers, but people that do these extreme sports. There's a lot of these guys are like, I don't want to say like pranksters but they they revel in annoying people and pissing people off and the attention that they get from it it's real strange like this there's a strange like sort of a vibe that comes with a lot of BMX jumpers and all these crazy fucks that do a lot of risky shit they have that sort of personality trait where they're constantly like pushing the envelope in some sort of a strange way.

Yeah. You know, they like people pissed at them. Ah, you mad? Ha, ha. You know? And it may come from the fact that like particularly skateboarders, they're constantly getting persecuted by lame ass authority figures telling them not to skate on their fucking handrails. Yeah. Some banker comes up, don't skate on my handrails, kid.

You fucking punk. You know, so they're constantly being chased around by people who are dummies and so maybe it develops this kind of like counter you know this this reaction so that reaction of being persecuted for doing what they're enjoying to do creates this like oh yeah fuck the man yeah but maybe maybe they should yell at him like if i was fucking walking down that hair some dude came flying down the rail and broke my leg i I'd be like, you piece of shit. Yeah, totally. Like, a lot of those guys are fucking nuts, man. And they'll put people in danger.

Like, I've seen some crazy stunts on YouTube where these dudes jump on top of these railings and slide them to the bottom and fuck up and plow into people. Like, the world is not an x game like you can't just you can't just do that with a bunch of other people around but some of those folks don't care certainly not and i think you we appreciate that not giving a fuck like the old johnny knoxville and yeah and those steve-o you had steve-O on the podcast, right? Yeah, I love that dude. He's still doing it. He's like deep in his 30s. He's still climbing up on top of gigantic towers and cranes and shit and risking his life.

I mean, he fell off of a billboard. He was climbing up on top of a billboard to shit on SeaWorld to change a street sign. What's that? He's 42. It's 42? Jesus Christ. You could break a lot of shit falling from that high.

And he fell. He's just so ridiculous. He's hilarious, though. He also did something that I was kind of trying to tell him not to do. He had Tim Kennedy choke him out in his Showtime special. Tim Kennedy choked him out. He went completely unconscious and bounced his head off the ground. Ka-blonk!

I mean, I mean, if you ask Tim Kennedy to choke you out, you're going to sleepy, sleep, sleep, sleep. That's deeper than REO. Is there a video of that? Oh, Jesus Christ. Here, let's play it, man.

So look at this. Oh my God, there's no sound okay so he's he's not just choking him he's choking him for quite a few seconds he's already out like look at that that is not cool like Tim shouldn't have done that like right there the drop that is a fucking huge head wound like to to drop and bounce your head off the ground like that, that is really bad. Yeah. Tim should have let that dude down a little lighter. That's probably Steve-O's agreement.

Steve-O wanted it to be fucking savage. That's the way he is. Maybe. You think he asked for that? He didn't know then. Well, Tim should have known. Yeah. Tim doesn't give a fuck. He's been knocked known. Yeah. Tim doesn't give a fuck.

He's been knocked out. No. He doesn't give a fuck. If someone tells him to do it. Yeah. He's got a lot of that wolf in him. Oh. He's like, oh.

He's like 70% wolf. I get to choke you out and drop you? Like, sure. He has hashtag hard to kill on like half of his fucking posts. He put a fucking post out with ISISis giving his address i know like come get me bitch i know he's a i mean i've gotten to know him real well because he trains at the on an academy so i see him coming through there all the time and just the sweetest dude it's great and and he shows up like no chip on his shoulder no like he comes in wearing silly little shorts and a

fanny pack and just big old smile on his face and a silly fucking mustache. And just he's got nothing to prove. But then he has that switch, you know, obviously where he can do whatever, access whatever that place is, that fucking wolf heart. Is this a new post of his, Jamie, that you put up? It says, my friends and I are just kicking back, waiting for the call when we can fight these bastards the way we need to and not go to jail hashtag still serving hashtag hard to kill let us know when it's time he's got his shirt off with an axe with one of those ridiculous what are those things called guy fox beard and mustache yeah yeah it is yeah like musketeer style yeah musketeer style he's an

animal but we need people like that this this this that's the extreme on the uh on the warrior end of the spectrum that's the extreme yeah you know the the flamboyant warrior yeah and it and the the thing that you can really appreciate is the truth of it like it cuts all the way through to the core you know the people that are that you shake them appreciate is the truth of it. Like it cuts all the way through to the core. You know, the people that you shake them a little bit and some other person emerges and you shake them again like a fucking magic eight ball and they got another thing that's going to come out. Like those are the people that are the worst. You shake Tim, it's Tim. You shake Tim, it's Tim.

You shake them again, it's a little slightly angrier Tim. It's the same fucking guy. And that's always a beautiful thing when you see it. People who've dealt with those deeper things they've reconciled all these forces that you know they're you're not going to put them in a situation where this other person emerges and you're like what the fuck is this selfish piece of shit guy you know yeah and this is also something that we were talking about earlier when you were talking about uh people like the the camaraderie and the craziness of going to war, that they actually enjoy it and become happy there in some sort of a weird way because life becomes real.

Because life becomes real in this chaotic moment. There was a, I think it was a TED radio hour. It might have been a Radiolab podcast. I think it was a TED radio hour. But they were talking to someone who, they were talking to soldiers and they were talking to people about happiness. Like what makes you, it was a Ted show. It was a Ted talk and it was, they were talking about happiness. And one of the things they got into was these people that went over to Iraq and Afghanistan and served and they would come back

and talk about it. And they said it was horrific. It was chaotic. It was scary, but it was the happiest days of my life. And one of the reasons why it was the happiest days of their life was this intense bond and camaraderie that they had developed with these other people that they were serving with, that there's nothing like it. There's no sort of closeness, bond of brotherhood that even comes close to the bond of brotherhood when you need to rely on these people and they rely on you for your very life and you're taking other people's lives. Yeah, I think that's a huge missing piece in our society. And I think a few people get to access it on sports teams and on different, you know, and obviously in war. But I think, you know, that tribal element of going through these shared rites of passages

and going through these things that bonded a group together so that you really had true altruistic love for more than more people around you. You know, I think that's a deep calling that we've kind of ignored, you know, like those soldiers would truly fight and die for each other, you know, which is the epitome of altruism. It's wanting the other person's good, even at the cost of your own, you know, and, and that's, that's a feeling that I think feels inherently the best. It's our natural state to be this, like the son of love, you know, like a, like just pouring it out and not deciding who gets it, but truly feeling that way about a group of people. And I think there's, you know, as we develop,

I think that's, you know, one of the concepts that I'm always talking about is recreating some kind of tribal element where you do go through these rites of passage and doesn't have to involve war, which is inherently an unsustainable and unnecessary practice. But how do you create that same closeness, but do it through ritual, do it through, you know, going and climbing this mountain and taking this psychedelic, however you want to do it, you know, in a way that can bond you together with the group. So you have those feelings where there's no, there's nothing you're holding back. Your truth is completely exposed. You're naked with all your intentions and thoughts and ideas, and you just truly want the best for another individual. And, and that tribe, that

feeling of tribe, that's what tribe is. And I think we're missing that. We have ourselves in this small nuclear unit. And then we have this whole wide world, which is too big to really care to that degree about. And we're missing the intermediary, which is this band, this group, this family that we're willing to do anything for. Yeah. And then obviously expanding that even further from your immediate group to the rest of the human race.

Yeah. So difficult to even conceptualize. When Tim Kennedy fought, there was a fight for the troops and I believe it was in Texas. Was that where it was? Yeah. He fought Rafael Natal and he knocked him out. And this was like, I don't think they even captured this on film. Tim hopped on top of the fence and was just calling out to all the troops.

I mean, I really don't think, I don't know if the cameras caught this or not, but he was pointing to everybody. He was just telling them he loved them. He's like, I love you guys. I love all you guys i love he's pointing at people i love you guys and then like what what he was doing i mean he's served he's fought i mean he's he's served in combat many many times he's still serving now that the reality of like his expression and his love for those people it was very very intensely moving it was one of the most intensely moving post-fight speeches or post-fight celebrations i've ever

not not one of the the most that i've ever experienced and they they were pushing so much energy back to him chanting and just yeah it was intense really amazing moment i mean you imagine those you read about those moments in history where the great leaders, you know, come in and have that moment with their troops. You know, and you don't see that now in today's warfare. You know, there's no, there's no, that, that Independence Day moment where they give that rousing speech and everybody's just pounding their chest. And, you know, that was, that's something that's really deeply, deeply moving and powerful. And to have that, you need to have that force of resistance that you're all allied against, you know, so you're all banded together against that, that other thing. And it's just choosing a thing that is truly worthy of, of your fight. So choosing to fight

against something that's not just another people or another race or all the stupid things that we choose to fight against, but choosing to fight against something truly worthy of that fight. Yeah. And this thing to them, to these soldiers, was this concept of the enemy being a truly evil force, you know, whether it's ISIS or whether it's anything else. These guys were all united against it. And to have Tim Kennedy as this person who's like a figurehead representing them and win by knockout in a military base in such a spectacular fashion on television and understanding all the weight behind all that. Because there are cameras. It is being televised.

It is being broadcast all throughout the world it will be available forever on the internet and you know through the UFC fight pass archives you'll always be able to watch that and when he when he connected with that left hook and the crowd fucking roared and Natal went out it was nuts man it was nuts you know you look you like history especially like history of Rome which I'm most familiar with. There was always these moments in time, you know, where a leader would naturally emerge like that for whatever reason. And then it would always made the emperors really squirrely because at any point in time, that person could all of a sudden be like, yep, my army now, bitch. Yeah. You know, obviously that can't happen in that time. But if Tim said, you know, if Tim after that jumped off the cage and said will you follow me like fucking all of them

be like yeah fuck it how about tim tim kennedy and brian stan run for president i'm in totally i'm in i'll campaign i'll fucking i'll follow them around the country yeah we you know that's what we need we need someone who understands the realities and the consequences of what these people in these hollowed halls of justice are trying to pull off all throughout the world. It was one of the best quotes from the documentary on Hunter S. Thompson, where he was talking to, it wasn't Ed Muskie, it was McGovern. And McGovern was saying, I'm sick of old men in air-conditioned buildings sending young men to go off and die in war. And that's really one of the most despicable aspects of the decision-making process by quote-unquote leaders, is that their consequences are so minimal. I mean, if every single politician and leader had to be at the head of the army, had to go to the fray had to be on the front lines how many actual wars would we get into yeah or serve let's say they weren't capable of fighting but at least they would have to serve at

the frontline hospital so that every person with like for a week you know you're at the front lines you're just a nurse assistant yeah you know so everybody coming back blown up shrapnel you know sent can you pass this message to my sweetheart? Can you tell this to my mother? Like they're receiving that. So at least they have to get in touch with it and understand the consequences of what they're doing. But it's easy to get this sociopathic kind of mindset like, oh, these are just pieces of those, you know, those like the conquest boards that look like big chess boards you see in all game of thrones or whatever oh i move my troops here i move this becomes all strategy but you lose the humanity

of it yeah you know you lose that connection with really who you're dealing with and those moments are incredibly important to to really keep the thing going and keep keep you keep you in line yeah and people would say well if they did do, war would be impossible the way we need it and the way we do it now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't do it that way, you fuck. That's what we're trying to say. It's one of the main problems with war and with leadership is that the people that are in charge at the very top in a lot of ways are behaving like that five-year-old boy at Disneyland who's a prince. They have too much power with no consequences.

They have too much power that essentially they haven't really earned. When you got a guy like Jocko Willink who was a real military hero who was over there commanding, when that guy talks about the military or talks about war or talks about actions, the respect is not you don't need to respect him you're going to respect him yeah you're going to understand that this is a guy who's been there and you're going to listen because it's real when a guy like dick cheney starts talking about military actions you're dealing with some fucking weird detachment from the reality and consequences of war from a guy who during the iraq invasion a lot of the times was in a bunker remember that yeah remember they would talk about

him being in some underground bunker and i was always like why is dick cheney in the bunker and george w bush is on tv like who the fuck is running this country for real? But these guys that got multiple deferments like Dick Cheney did to avoid actually serving in the war. I mean, I think he got several deferments to avoid having to actually see real combat. Those are not the people that should ever be able to make those kinds of decisions to put people in harm's way. They just shouldn't be able to. You need a guy like Jocko. You need a guy like Tim Kennedy. You need someone who's actually been there. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

It's an interesting time. And the nature of war is, I don't think we're obviously with, you know, post-traumatic stress being such an epidemic that it is now, we're not adequately dealing with that element of things. I mean, it's an incredibly traumatic aspect of

we're not prepared for death can come at any moment unseen. You know, like our bodies, yeah, it makes sense. All right, there's the barbarian horde. They're going to run with their pointy thing and I'm going to have time to run at them with my pointy thing and that's when death might come. You know, but death's not going to come from this random explosion that happens. Every car could be a bomb, all of this.

It's this crazy time that we're in and we have to really pay attention to what that's doing to the humans and use the best technology available to fix that. And I think obviously Rick Doblin, who's been on here a few times, is on the forefront of that. But we're just looking at the whole thing completely wrong. We have old ideas, bad ideas, bad leaders. And it's, again, that thing where truth is there.

We understand that there's this epidemic. We understand here's some possible ways to fix it, but it hasn't percolated all the way through. So we're in this transition period that's, you know, it's ugly right now in a lot of ways. But you can see the horizon. You see that sun poking through the clouds and you know, that truth just has a different resonance. It has a different

frequency and it's adopted eventually. You know, it's, it's only, you know, and there'll be people who still think there's flat earth and whatever. There'll be some resistance to truth. There'll be some resistance to truth. But for most of us, it has that frequency and that resonance where it's going to eventually win. And that's what gives me a lot of confidence. I'm just kidding. Eddie said he doesn't believe the Earth is flat. He does post a lot of pictures of the fucking planet.

I know he does. He posted a whole video the other day about some dude who was arguing against the flat Earth or for the flat Earth in the weirdest way possible. way possible but it's what what i was talking about before that i don't know if i articulated it so well is that when you look at our culture and look at society and then you think back to the time of xerxes and all the crazy shit that was going on a thousand years ago or two thousand years ago that's not that long ago man no it's not it seems like it is it seems like it is but like when uh i was listening to uh dan car's Hardcore History and he was talking about World War I and he does this amazing, I think it's a five part series on World War I. And it sinks in like, Jesus Christ, that was 100 years ago. That's nothing. That is fucking nothing. like that is so recent and the world is so different now than a hundred years ago and a hundred years before that so different and then you know he did he had this piece on the mongols a thousand years ago well not much different you know it's like i mean not much different in terms

of uh the relationship between then and now it's it's so so recent so recent yeah a thousand years is nothing in the scope of the world. Right. You know? And then you take it back it out to, you know, some of Graham Hancock's theories that he puts out in Magicians, which seem to make a lot of sense, that we'd reached heightened states before and gotten kind of wiped out and restarted. How many times did that happen?

Yeah. How many times did we restart? You know, hit the reset button. 100%. With Randall Carlson's evidence, with the two of them together, they really sort of happen yeah well how many times did we restart you know hit the reset button 100 with randall carlson's evidence with uh the two of them together they really sort of both provided the missing pieces that each other need and uh if you've never heard those podcasts they're some of my all-time favorite podcasts the randall carlson ones and the graham hancock ones and the one time

that i had the two of them on together which is just a fucking epic meeting of the minds the world has most likely experienced some cataclysmic disasters most likely due to asteroid al impacts and it was most likely the cause of the end of the Ice Age and Also the collapse of whatever civilization was available then and the rebirth of what we're seeing now as ancient history So when we look back at things six seven thousand years 7,000 years ago, we think, wow, this is the dawn of civilization. Not so fast. Right.

This is the dawn of this current era of civilization before we get hit again. Yeah. And that is entirely possible. And it's the crest of this wave. Maybe they got hit in the 1920s level of technology or something like that. Exactly. And they didn't reach 2016 level, which is probably most likely. I think we've probably advanced the farthest that we've gone in the wave.

But who knows how far they got. Maybe it was 1850 where they're shooting fucking revolvers and fucking whores in saloons and whatever. Or maybe it was some amalgamation. Surely it was different. It's going to be they had some things that may be better and other things that were still kind of silly. But it's really interesting to explore that and give yourself some perspective on where we come from. Yeah, they had sort of a parallel development in terms of their achievement, but in a different way. Like Egypt.

To this day, we can't build those fucking buildings the way they did it. People could say, oh, we certainly could. 2,500,000 stones that weigh between 2 and 80 tons. If you put 10 of those

a day in place, it would take you 600 plus years to make the Great Pyramid of Giza. That's how fucking crazy that building is. So if you say we could build that today,

good luck, bitch. You need more faith in the unions, Joe. Well, if you're off... Unions will get it done. If you're off by literally like a quarter of a centimeter with each block, you're fucked by the time you get to the top. Yeah. Think of that. Like, if you're lopsided one way or the other by the time you get to the

top, you're fucking doomed. There's some interesting theories about how they did it, but none of them really sink in. All we definitely know is it took an incredible level of sophistication, and it was done, the most recent it could have happened was 2,500 BC, which is just nuts. Nuts. They were so smart. And it's not just Egypt. You could go to Peru. I think I've shared that photo of me and Oya and Taitambo, the same one that Crazy Tsoukalos shared as well. You go there and you look at the way the stones fit together and look at how the things are carved out. And it just doesn't make any sense. The size of the stones,

like what the fuck did you do? How did you do this? Yeah. God, it would give so much to see the construction of the pyramids. If there was like one time in history, if you could take that sort of a time capsule and go back and watch, for me, it would be ancient Egypt. For me, for sure. I would want to see how those crazy fuckers were walking around with their wacky goth makeup on and weird golden robes and making those hieroglyphs. And God, what a fascinating, weird blip or weird era in the development of the human mind and of culture. If you think of what they were capable of doing and what they did accomplish over who knows how many. You know, we're sort of going back trying to piece it all together.

But one of the things that Graham Hancock and even more importantly, John Anthony West, John Anthony West has a new series, apparently Magical Egypt 2. I haven't seen it yet, but Magical Egypt 1 is just fucking mind blowing. When he goes into great detail about the different construction methods from the old kingdom to the new kingdom and that he points out that this is most likely evidence of a different era of construction and not not not just a different era but different by 10 000 years maybe and that the hieroglyphs on the inside of some of the pyramids which dictate or rather which go over and depict the various Pharaohs throughout the different stages of Egypt

they go back 30,000 years but what modern Egypt ologist choose to do is to say well all those are guys that was all fiction yeah like back anything more than 6,000 years ago just fiction like okay says who bitch says who okay you know how do you know like this is it's crazy enough that they did this 4,500 years ago that's just crazy enough okay but it's no more crazy to think that they were doing it 30,000 years before that like this whole thing is this majestic sort of monument to human innovation in a weird way that's not like what we do now with cement and steel and glass and asphalt roadways and fiber optic cables. No, they had some other thing going on. And I think Graham makes that kind of a cool point.

Like, they were building something specifically for permanence. Yeah. Like, why? Why did they want it to extend through time? Because all of our shit, you know, another ice age hits and, you know, the ice moves in and starts grinding everything. Basically grind most of what we have to dust anyways, you know. grind most of what we have to dust anyways you know but they were creating these big stone blocks these things that were harder you know that would withstand the the test of time and why and that's that's kind of an interesting speculative part of Graham's theory but

what seems concrete is that there was these cultures advanced and decided to do it now why gets into the speculation but Gobekli Tepe and Gunung Padang and Indonesia and then Egypt and all of these places. Really, really super interesting. And interesting to imagine, you know, if the flood did kill off most of that civilization and they kind of just settled in different places and the accounts, just one of the best books

I think ever written was that, Magicians. And just going into the mindset of, you know, he talks about they call these people watchers. And then some of the watchers would get a bad reputation because they like sleeping with the local girls. So they would be like the bad watchers than the good watchers. Well, maybe they were just the pimps of their time. You know, they were eating more protein. So they're a little bigger. You know, they're a little smarter.

So, of course, the girls like them. You know, like why you got gotta hate on the watchers well when they burned the library of alexandria man did they do the human race a massive disservice we could have learned so much could have learned so much about why the ancient greeks would go to egypt to learn shit and to engage in psychedelic rituals it's funny that the greatest minds of their time would go specifically to egypt to engage in psychedelic rituals. It's funny that the greatest minds of their time would go specifically to Egypt to engage in these psychedelic rituals and to learn from the Egyptians. The greatest minds of our time today will mock psychedelics. It's kind of fascinating.

So few in terms of like mainstream recognized scholars will even entertain the possibility that there could be some beneficial aspects to engaging in ritualistic hallucinogenics. Well, all of academia is about defending to the death your own structure of information. And psychedelics are inherently disruptive. And I think people have that knowledge. They know like, shit, I may totally rethink all my whole theories. And you'll have to confront those demons that you're hiding that that which is hidden will come to the surface. And that's generally the beauty of this process. But if you're defending something, you know, and you're attached to it, and it's part

of your identity, and because it's part of your identity, it feels real. Like that's the trick that the ego plays. The ego says, my identity is me, and I will defend it as if it was my flesh and blood. You know, like all of these things, my theories, my position in academia, it becomes real to the ego. And so it fights as if it's defending your own, you know, blood and bone body. But it's not. It's just, it's bullshit. It's your identity. It doesn't matter.

It can shift. It's fluid. It's a manufacturing of that ego, that attachment. And so psychedelics are a threat to that. If you've been defending something that you don't want to get challenged, it could threaten your position of authority and power. And people are afraid to do it. There's no real other reason to have that fear widespread. Yeah, there's a time and a place, and it's not for everybody, etc. But, you know, really, it's such a powerful tool to access truth. And you can't be afraid of truth.

It's just a silly position to be in. Yeah, there's a really interesting documentary that's funny enough, narrated by Charlton Heston, about the mystery of the Sphinx. I think it was on NBC at the time. But one of the weirder moments in it was when Robert Schock, the geologist from Boston University, and John Anthony West presented this evidence that the Sphinx most likely was far older than 2500 BC because of the erosion in the Sphinx compound that could only be attributed to water. I've heard arguments against it, against it being water and it being wind and sand, but they just don't fly.

It seems like they're working to try to make that a wind and sand erosion, whereas it's pretty obvious the fissures, the way it's cut into the water. I mean, it makes total sense that it was water. But the only thing that could make it water would be that it had to be before 9,000 BC. Because 9,000 or 7,000 BC, 9,000 years ago, one of those, somewhere a lot longer than 2,500 BC. And the argument when it was presented to this archaeologist, he was laughing. Well, what culture was around 10,000 years ago that could have done this? What

culture? Meanwhile, now we have those cultures. Now we have real evidence of Gobekli Tepe, which is 12,000 years old. We have real evidence of all sorts of weird shit that they didn't know. I mean, now they're finding evidence of human beings in North America 14,000 years ago. They're finding woolly mammoth bones with clear indications that they were slaughtered by human beings, like cuts on the bones. And they're like, oh Jesus, like people, we don't know. We just don't know. We don't know what the fuck happened between 10,000 years ago when the ice age ended and today. There's just so much weirdness, and we definitely don't know what the fuck happened before that. Before that, there is a lot of unfilled pieces in that puzzle.

Yeah, it really is the greatest mystery of all. It's like the greatest mystery novel that I've ever read was Graham Hancock's book. It's just you're uncovering something that was real and trying to piece together the puzzle. And in 20 years from fingerprints to magicians, all the new evidence that have come has really supported his initial evidence, which was pretty good in fingerprints.

But then by magicians, it's like fucking overwhelming. He was just so openly mocked by a lot of people that didn't want him to be right or didn't want anyone to achieve any sort of notoriety by having some sort of an innovative idea i mean they just they they pushed back on him so hard but the stuff that randall carlson presents like um these various cradle craters that that they've uncovered all throughout the world that indicate asteroidal impacts as recently as 5,000 years ago and deep into 12,000 10,000 the um the nuclear glass they found all throughout asia and europe that indicates massive meteor impacts somewhere in the neighborhood of 11 12,000 years

ago yeah i mean it's all it all makes sense it all all files or fills in, like, well, what could have caused it? Oh, well, that caused it. Oh, that fucked a lot of shit up, for sure. I mean, if you look at that nuclear glass, that's the same kind of shit that they find when they do nuclear tests. And they find it all throughout Europe, all throughout Asia, which indicates that they literally got bombed on by the universe. Yeah. The circumstantial evidence is just mounting and mounting. And it's interesting, you know, we hear about these things that are like myths.

And one of the ones that I saw that I'm not sure if it's true or not, but it's an interesting take on what actually happened to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Because in the Bible, you know, God rained fire upon and burned all these homosexuals and sodomists and people that sounded like they're having a great party and you know what they were suggesting is that it was a meteor that burned up in the in the atmosphere and it raised it created this flashpoint effect which they know can happen it created this flashpoint effect where instantly the ground temperature reached several hundred or thousand degrees or whatever so it was like this, everybody's just fucking crispied, you know? And how do you explain that other than an angry God? It doesn't make sense.

You have no idea. So these stories and myths get passed down and they're like, well, why did that happen? Well, I don't know, man. I went to Sodom and there was some crazy shit going on. But fucking candy. So after the fact you make up these stories like man of course yeah that's why it happened it was just an unlucky party town it was cancun it was hard to do i mean that was that was hard to explain back then

so people went to that but today i mean this guy in in orlando obviously he's fucking crazy right but he's killing gay people because he thinks the gay people are doing something against God's will. They're doing something bad and evil. So in his mind, his wrath is like the wrath of God on these people. With the information that we have, with all the evidence that we have, there are still people that are inclined to go towards some sort of a biblical or, in his case, the Koran version of the reality in which we live in. Like this is today. When you're talking about 7,000, 8,000 years ago, God only knows what it would have been like. It was probably straight out of Game of Thrones. Like the reaction that people had

to any sort of a natural disaster. It had to be the will of the gods. It had to definitely be something that our own actions had caused. And so when someone would stand up, like the old dirty dude on Game of Thrones who wants everybody to repent. Oh, yeah, yeah.

What's his name? High Sparrow. High Sparrow, yeah. When that type of person would stand up and tell the people, this is because you have angered God and it will come again if you keep doing that. And God forbid, God forbid, strange use of words, but another meteor shower. I mean, meteor showers, oftentimes they come like one after another after another. And then he says this and then it happens again.

He's right. I told you God is angry. And then that shit gets passed on. Yeah. You know, projections. And it is a really strange time. And what I found interesting is I think that Christianity will never go away and Catholicism and these major religions but they will evolve like if you look at the trend you know back in the middle ages they were doing crazy thing torturing people i went to

a dungeon of the inquisition all of this crazy shit it was in italy who where i'm going i'm going to italy this summer where's that it was fucking horrifying it was in one of the mountain towns um i don't know exactly when but there's several of them there and all the different torture devices that they have so many of which by the way involve the genitals like I would say at least 40 percent involve different things different ways to torture someone balls and dick and pussy and tits and all this I mean it's just these ways that they could channel their own perversions into this unarguable point about you know this, this is God, this is what God wants, but they're really just pure sadists accessing that sadistic, demonic energy and doing it under

God's name. You know, and that's what happens when you create these systems that only a select few can access the knowledge. You know, nobody else can talk to God. These few people that did it, and we're talking and we're the descendants of those people, we guard the knowledge. You can't reach it. So it creates, instead of decentralizing it and opening up truth to everybody, it's a select few that have it. Only a few people know God's will. Not everybody can find it. And that creates these massive power imbalances, whereas any good religion is going to completely decentralize and say, not listen to me, I'll tell you what God says, is here's how you go talk to God yourself. and say, you know, not listen to me. I'll tell you what God says is here's how you go talk to God yourself. You know, here's how you reliably go find your

own deepest truth. You don't need me. And it's the same with any good teacher, any good healer, you know, like the very base level is a, is a teacher or healer who, who fixes you, you know, you come to him and he fixes you, you know, and then the next level is someone who fixes you you know you come to him and he fixes you you know and then the next level is someone who teaches you how to fix yourself like that's the that's a master but give a man a fish yeah exactly you can yeah and then you know the final level is just to really the great mystics and even if you go back to jesus and you go back to the really great mystics their message truly is that you know you don't need us to fix you you're already whole like just recognize that you're already whole you're already perfect you know you're already whole. You're already perfect. You know, you are the son of man.

You are God. I mean, that was really the core message that just got twisted in a million different ways and manipulated for power. There's one of the other more interesting podcasts from Dan Carlin was on Martin Luther and Lutherism. Lutheran? Lutheran? The Lutheran discipline, and that he was the first one to translate the Bible from Latin into German and translate it in a phonetic way that the people could actually understand what the word of God was and not have to be a priest because they were relying upon these priests. And not only that, he was also the first one to say that your interpretation of what God meant is essentially up to you,

which was just blasphemy to these people that had massive amounts of control. I think if you're looking for that one, I think it's called the prophets of doom or The Prophet of Doom. I think that's the name of the podcast from Carlin on that insane time. But it's amazing, amazing to think that, you know, in that sense, you're talking about like, what was it, the 1400s or something like that? Somewhere around there. That's not that long ago at all. That's nothing. And people couldn't read the Bible. I mean, think about that.

They were relying upon these. I mean, think about that. They were relying upon these. I mean, they weren't even pedophiles back then. They were allowed to fuck, which is really interesting. Like that pedophile thing, that only happened once they wouldn't let the priest fuck. And they wouldn't let the priest fuck because the priests were fucking too many people because the priests were the rock stars. The priests were the celebrities. Totally. They had ultimate power.

Power will always get your pussy pussy they were getting mad pussy so someone came along and said all right you fuckers no sex like they just made that up along the way yeah i mean it wasn't even like it came from god it's like it came along they had already established one way of behaving like even the pope popes used to have wives they had armies. Popes weren't like this weird feebled guy who sits on a golden throne and has little gay people do Cirque du Soleil dances in front of him like that last asshole. But not the most recent Pope. It was like kind of humble Pope. This is humble Pope. Yeah, the cool Pope.

Yeah, but it's evolved and changed all throughout the year. But just 600 years ago or whatever it was, or 500 years ago, you couldn't even fucking read that shit. Yeah. Yeah, again, it's the control of power, the control of information rather than the shamanic way, which is always show you, not tell you. Then that's another great way if you're trying to find out, you know, who you should go with. Like if someone's busy blabbing their mouth

and trying to tell you all of the things that you'll see from an ayahuasca journey or something like that, tell you all the lessons and give them to you that way, fucking go the other way. You know, like the true path is, you know, here you go.

I'm going to create the environment and you're going to go find truth for yourself. You're going to find whatever the truth that is. And they have faith that you'll arrive at the truth that's going to be most beneficial for you. And most often than not, it comes back congruous with those ideas. And that's the true path. That's the path that any religion should take. And I think one of the reasons why Buddhism is so popular, because it's similar in that way. It teaches a practice or Zen or anything, teaches a practice that allows every single person to access that higher state of consciousness. Everybody can reach nirvana. It's not just the chosen preselected this thing. Here's how you do

it and go for it. And I think any good, any good spirituality system is going to have that in common. Isn't it interesting though, that that's sort of the exception to the rule to find a system or find an individual like a Martin Luther or like someone who steps up and says, no, the whole world should benefit. All the people should learn this. Everyone should get, it shouldn't be about centralized power. It shouldn't be about controlling the people. Like that's a rare thing. And that's fought against like vehemently. Like it's the, they passionately resist this. And in many ways, it's like what we were vehemently. Like they passionately resist this. And in many ways, it's like what we were talking about before. Like it kind of takes almost negativity and evil to bring out the best in people in a response.

this horrible control, this dictatorship of religion and ideology to resist in such a powerful way that you change everything around you. Because if these people were just like, sort of, well, you know, this is the word of God, you can go with it.

Don't go with it. Don't give a fuck. Everything's cool. You know, Oh, you don't have to give me any of your money. I'm not trying to fuck anybody. I'm just hanging out over here.

There'd probably be no resistance to that religion and there would be no sort of rebound effect where people are trying to find their own truth in this and understanding that the negative attachments that they have to all these religious cults or sex or whatever you want to call them, the negative attachments that we have to them are completely unnecessary. Like they don't have to be there. That through what everyone's trying to find through religion, you're trying to find the word of God. You're trying to find ultimate love and wisdom and power. And this one individual who has created literally the entire universe or this force has created literally. So why is it this guy's trying to

fuck my wife? And why is it I have to give everybody my gold? And how come I can't read the Bible myself? How do I have to trust this guy who's trying to fuck my wife and steal my goats? I have to trust that asshole. Fuck that man. And so then this Martin Luther guy comes along who actually can read it and understand it and translates it. And there is a massive blowback. and understand it and translates it. And there is a massive blowback. And it was obviously just based entirely on Dan Carlin's podcast, but apparently his influential position in the community was the only thing that kept him alive.

Like anybody else doing the exact same thing he was doing would have been killed by the church. The church would have killed people for distributing the word of God in a way that other people could understand. And it had been done before. Like people had questioned the church before and they just fucking strung them up and cut their dick off and shoved it in their mouth and lit them on fire and launched them in a catapult. They didn't give a fuck back then. Barbaric. Yeah. And it's in a, how does, so how does that, how does, how does a system like that, you know, take hold and take effect?

And you've talked about the kind of the toxoplasma that alters behavior, this disease that will alter human behavior or alter mice behavior. And we have that disease, too, and it's called fear. And it is the primary disease that once fear takes a hold of us, once we fear that if we do something wrong, we'll be punished in the most obscene ways. You know, look at like a Bosch painting from Italy during the time of all of these inventions of how you were going to be tortured if you went against the will of God. And you'll be punished not only for a little while, but eternally, eternal torture and suffering.

Like that's some kind of just punishment for, you know, having lustful thoughts or whatever, but that's what they believe. So they inject people with this fear virus and then the fear virus robs them of their own free will, robs them of their ability to think. So it's like this form of virus that takes a hold of somebody and then you allow these atrocities to take hold because fear is within you. And in other cases, maybe it's the greed virus or some other thing that takes hold. But it's really like this thing that really limits your ability to use rational thought and to harness your own power of choice. But fear is that original virus that the religions played so, so well, fear and guilt. It's weird because it's

such a distortion of a really important aspect of being alive. Like you have to have fear of consequences. You have to have fear of animals. You have to have fear of the ocean. You have to have, you have to have a healthy respect for the consequences of stepping off of a cliff or the consequences of walking into a bear den with a mom and her cubs. All those things are real, you know? And so you have to have fear. But there's some fear that people have that exists for no reason. Well, the idea that he's a good God-fearing man. God-fearing?

God is fucking love. It's like the most perfect form of love and truth. Not when the sky's on fire because people are butt-fucking right right so yeah you see where this other perspective comes from but you know to fear love it's this trans it totally fucks the mind like it sets the mind upside down and once the mind's upside down it looks at everything all funny yeah nothing makes sense you've removed a cornerstone of logic now Now you need to fear God. Oh, fuck, fear God.

Well, then everything else is just twisted up and fucked up. And you can't even use your rational mind. You can't find the way out because the whole paradigm has been turned on its head and twisted. Well, isn't it interesting in that respect, then, that it seems that the more knowledge we gather, the more information we acquire the less we have to be fearful of yeah the more we can say oh that's not an angry god that's a meteor yeah you know uh and then one day oh we'll figure out how to deflect those meteors we don't have to worry about the ice age ending or or rather a dinosaur killing chunk of iron and stone from the sky

slamming into the ocean and killing all of us because we see those fuckers coming now we just shoot a net at it and push it off into jupiter or some shit i mean this is all information that will slowly but surely eliminate the need for fear and i guess that's probably going to extend to the consequences of injury and death as well. I mean, at one point in time, they're going to, things keep going the way they're going. I guarantee if they get to you within a certain amount of time, they're probably going to be able to reanimate you. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it will certainly remove consequences eventually, but there's so much we can do right now. We surrender our power to useless fears all the time. How many times have you seen somebody shriek, you know, because a fucking cockroach was around in the room? It's a cockroach. They're cleaning up the garbage that's on the floor. They've never harmed anyone ever. And that little thing is going to cause you to scream and your heart to race. And like, you can actually choose, actively choose through, you know, exposure to that and working through that to get over that fear. Like we have these choices and I think you have to collapse your fear into actual danger so that fear and danger are on the same level. And you can go too far where you can remove too much fear. So you're

not actually afraid of danger. And you know, people do it like grizzly man clearly did that, you know, when he was was camping with the Grizzly guys. He should have had more fear for those fuckers, but he didn't. By the way, I'm getting Werner Herzog. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's awesome.

That'll be really cool. He's going to come on. Beautiful. I'm excited. I don't give a fuck what he wants to talk about. We're talking about Grizzly Man. Cave of Forgotten Dreams, what? That too.

I'll talk about that as well. That was amazing. I want to talk to him about that Tom Cruise movie when he played a bad guy as well. Tom and Jack Reacher. But Grizzly Man, I also think we're dealing with. If you've never seen that documentary, it's one of my favorite unintentional comedies.

You have to see it. It's about a guy who decided he was going to save the bears. The bears did not need fucking saving. They didn't want saving. They didn't need saving. comedies you have to see it it's about a guy who decided he was going to save the bears the bears did not need fucking saving they didn't want saving they didn't need saving they weren't interested in his saving and eventually they ate him eventually they determined he was me yeah they figured out correct uh assessment yeah there's part bears are so amazing man bringing it back to uh our camp as we uh bring this bitch home when uh when we were up there it was like i i felt like um since you're since you've been practicing archery for a couple years now

and you've been really getting into it that would have been the perfect first archery hunt because it's a controlled environment it's um it's a really high likelihood of success even though we both struck out it's a high likelihood of success and there's um there's there's a crazy intimate connection that you have with an animal when you're up close with them within 20 plus yards and you shoot it with a bow and arrow that is like some really old DNA that you tap into. That's some, like, there's a boop. There's like a switch that goes off where your tissue is like, oh, we've seen this before. We did this 500 years ago.

Yeah. Like, there's genetics, I think, that are attached to archery in some sort of strange way. Apparently, I'm not a traditional archer. I haven't done that. But they say it's even stronger in that, that shooting, even just shooting regular bows, like a recurve bow, has an even more sort of a visceral connection to the human body and the human mind. And, you know, what Ted Nugent calls the spiritual flight of the arrow, the mystical flight of the arrow, that there's some sort of a weird ancient calling.

And when you, when you do that, when you use, I wonder if a catapult will do that. Launch a catapult at a motherfucker. You're like, damn, this feels good. Yeah. I think people progress that all the way to the, you know. Yeah. But I think the catapult wasn't used for hunting. Used for war.

Yeah, I shoot a recurve. If you did hunt with a catapult, Jesus Christ. It would be a herd of elk. Boom. And you go, look for scraps. You shoot a recurve all the time? I shoot a recurve all the time. I really enjoy it.

It's super, way less accurate. So I wouldn't go hunting with it. Some people are really accurate with them though. Yeah. I guess for me it's way less accurate. I'm sure some people are really good at it. They practice and they get really good at it. But there's so many weird things like judging distance.

Super weird. Well, there's no sight. Well, at least I'm not going to shoot instinctive. So there's no sight. So you're just feeling it. But you read a book like Zen and the Art of archery eugene harrell's book great book and it it applies to the regular you know compound bow but it you really feel it when you have the recurve and you just a piece of wood and and sinew you know twisted and you're knocking the air and you're

just going off instinct because there's so much more variability it's less it's less you know mechanic it feels like you're just right it's more of like a flow type of thing and it's fun it's fun to fun to do that well i always imagine that it's like a lot like playing pool in that you develop a feel for where it's gonna go yep and you have to do it so they say that it's one of the most important things about um traditional archery instinctive shooting is you have to do it so they say that it's one of the most important things about traditional archery instinctive shooting is you have to shoot hours every day to be really really accurate but like if you watch like olympic recurve shooters they have a lot of weird shit going on man they have like a clicker so they'll pull the arrow back a certain distance and a click will go off because you could have the bow all the way to heat. I'm making a motion like you could pull it back to your chin or you could pull it past your

chin. Like it's not like a compound bow where it hits a wall. A compound bow is extremely accurate and guys like John Dudley, who was a guy who set up my bow and he he wrote the curriculum for the world archery federation or whatever the fuck it is and travels all over the world to teach people proper technique and teach people and coach international teams in archery he was saying that if you get like a rifle shooter and they shoot like freehand not not resting in something, to 100 yards, that archers are actually regularly more accurate at 100 yards with a bow and arrow than someone holding a rifle is. Whoa. Yeah.

That's really wild. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, with the traditional shooting, though, you know, compound bow shooting, if you've got a 70-pound bow, it's going to shoot 70 always yes so that's that's a variable you don't have to factor any kind of recurve bow can shoot 20 pounds if you just pull it back a little bit to fucking 65 whatever depending on how much you can actually bend the limbs of that yeah and go so the up and down variability i mean side to side you should get pretty accurate you know just by anchoring and kind of lining that up but up and down really depends on how far you pull and your breath and your release is not all your release gets super squirrely too because it's your fingers yeah i

don't have a little release thing so you hold on a little tight or you don't let let the string flow through your fingers the right way it's just yeah shoots off all squirrely yeah so that's why the olympic recurve people they have like a clicker so they pull their arrow back and once it gets to a certain length it sets off a little click so it's like click and then they release the arrow so they know when to release it they know when they've pulled it back far enough to get that click yeah it doesn't make sense but you know it's uh i a, I gotta think you lose a little some of that magic. You're starting to move it all the way towards the compound bow. At a certain point, might as well just shoot the compound bow.

You know, if you take all of the feel of that thing out. Yeah, I mean, if you look at a compound bow, if you at uh someone who's shooting a compound bow like people i put a picture of me uh up uh from our camp that ben took when we were there and one of the things that people have commented on like look at that fucking weird thing like all these pulleys and cables and all these things hanging off of it and the sight and the stabilizer there's like so much going on and in your case it's to the max as much shit going on on any bow has ever has ever been on a bow yeah i try it every i try everything i mean i whittle it down i've added things and taken things down but oh there it is there's the photo yeah there's a lot going on that fucking that that thing but all those the cables and the pulleys and

you know the stabilizer and the adjustable sight that goes up and down depending on distance but it's so fucking accurate yeah but so fun too man it's like there's very few things i enjoy as far as like clearing my mind as much as just shooting at a target yeah well it demands presentness you know it demands that you're in the moment you're thinking about other shit yeah yes you know because everything is so finite same with pool i think you've gravitated naturally to these activities that to be good demands full attention yeah and attention is is bliss is happiness and attention because that's the present moment well it definitely removes all of the outside distractions that really aren't, they're not important right now.

Like right now you're breathing, you have food in your belly, you're alive, you're healthy. What is important? Well, you have a bow in your hand. What's important is you make that arrow hit that X. So shoot it, stupid. Stop thinking about some girl you fucked when you were 18. Why are you thinking about a car that you fucked when you were 18. Why are you thinking about a car that you sold when you were 22? Man, if I had that car today, I could fix it up. What are all these extraneous, silly thoughts?

All these traumas that these animals don't carry. You ever heard of a bear with erectile dysfunction? Maybe. Like, never. Maybe. Maybe it's gay bears. Maybe. But they can still get it hard. They don't need Viagra. I don't know. All of these things that we have in our, that our monkeys are just broken because we've ceased to recognize the monkey in all of us. Yeah. You know, so getting back to that and looking at nature is just a great way to do it.

Whether you're hunting or camping or whatever, just fucking soak that in. Yeah. You'll learn shit. There's also a feeling that you get when you're in the woods where there's no cell phone reception. There's no people. You don't hear anything. You're just surrounded by trees and wildlife in some weird way. For some people, they find it lonely.

They find it like, God, this place doesn't give a fuck about me. Because it doesn't. Because you realize that you really are a part of this enormous almost infinite system infinite in the terms of you go down to the macro level or the micro level you're you're you're down to atoms and you're down to subatomic particles and then you expand from there to cells and cell walls and the structure of tissue in the body and then the instincts that come with keeping the body alive and then with a human being language and then the culture and media that you have absorbed that has given you this distorted idea of what life is what being a human

is what being a man is that music should play when you see your girlfriend, you know, you know what I mean? Like this, like there should be a score to your life and that you are enormously important because your ego wants you to survive long enough to shoot your loads into someone to make little baby Arbys. And this, all these things, they don't, they don't matter when you're in those woods, all those things, it's like the woods confront you with this ultimate reality that you are a part of this infinite system. And this infinite system, when you really expand upon it, the very planets itself, the very planet, this planet and all planets themselves become tiny little subatomic particles in the nature of the universe. tiny little subatomic particles in the nature of the universe. Yeah. Yeah, the perspective is so key, and it can be kind of mind-boggling to think about it. I'd like to, you know, it's almost like we're lords of our own universe,

and our universe is our body. Our thoughts can manifest different things. Our choices create the environment that we live in. So, you know, it's like we have our own universe, and then we're plugged into this, you know, greater universe that is that we know all around us, the planet and everything else. And that's plugged into the larger and you start just expanding your perspective and it just kind of really goes on infinitely. You know, like the cell is as part of an organ is, you know, that's its universe, a liver cell. The universe of the liver cell is the liver and they're one cell in that thing it goes up and down infinitely and you just get a get a perspective that you know everything's going to be okay no matter what like everybody just fucking relax

enjoy yourself get back in touch with the monkey get back in touch with love and whatever happens it's going to be all right there'll be another earth there'll be another time there'll be another opportunity for this thing to go. We get so caught up in the minutia of the details of this thing or that thing. It'll be okay. If the Earth blinks out, some other point in some other time in the vastness of eternity, another fucking awesome Earth will come with new awesome animals, and it'll be okay. Everything will be okay.

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