The Joe Rogan Experience - #816 - Joe Schilling

Episode Date: June 29, 2016

Joe Schilling is an American Muay Thai kickboxer and MMA fighter who competes in the super middleweight and light heavyweight and the Middleweight division of Bellator MMA.

boom we're live fresh from the trenches joe shilling in the motherfucking house what's up joe how are you brother i'm doing i'm doing pretty well are you chatting with people you're doing that snapchat yeah i had to snapchat you to the world these wacky kids and their snapchat i tried snapchat the other day because uh my little daughter loves it god damn dude all my names are taken my name's taken powerful j name's taken, powerful JRE's taken, Joe Rogan Experience is taken, everything's fucking creeps. That's so weird. Give it up, you freaks. Give me my name back.

Weirdos. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? I was late to the game. What is the big deal with Snapchat? Why is everybody like that? I don't know. It's really blown up lately.

When it first came out years ago, it had a little different connotation to it it was like you know the picture is deleted in like five seconds it was like your pussy sexting app yeah fucking dick pics and shit yeah but uh but nobody deletes those they just make a screenshot yeah then they'll tell you hey she screenshotted your your uh stuff there and you're like no that's that horrible feeling in the bottom of your gut no i don't know you have problems if you're sitting, no. That's that horrible feeling in the bottom of your gut. No. I don't know. You have problems if you're sending dick pics anyway. I don't understand the concept of that.

Unless the girl wants dick pics, and then you've got to send them. I guess. Yeah. If you talk to people that are in the dick pic game, they'll tell you, you've got to send pictures to get pictures. Because girls feel vulnerable. If they're just sending you pictures of their pussy and you're not sending anything back, they feel like, this motherfucker has me here.

This is bullshit. There's no trust in this relationship. Even if they don't want them, they just want a picture. You know? Sometimes you gotta be vulnerable for these girls. Allegedly. What am I, an expert? This is where we're starting. Dick pics.

Well, there's no rhyme or reason to any of these damn things. You know? So, like I said. Apparently Joe Rogan's dick pic game is very strong. It's shaky. It's all over the road. But my fucking phone. I give my phone to my six-year-old.

It's filled with Snapchat pictures of her face. Switching in with Kimbo Slice's face. All the pictures I have on my phone to my six-year-old. It's filled with Snapchat pictures of her face, switching in with Kimbo Slice's face. All the pictures I have on my phone. She goes through all my photos and finds pictures that she wants to swap faces with. Kids. These wacky kids these days. So, like I said, man, fresh out of the trenches, man. You had a crazy war. Oh, weekend that was wild yeah man that was uh that was something wasn't it it was fucking something

that was for sure like we were saying before uh the podcast started you were you were really fighting emotional you were you were worked up you know you'd already fought him before and you know you wanted to get back at him and it was uh it was kind of obvious in the way you were fighting you were you were really putting a lot of pressure on him yeah i didn't really feel that way at the time they said i wasn't aware of it you know what i mean i was just in there doing me and uh yeah there's a lot of pressure a lot of you know it was uh yeah i had a i wanted i wanted to i want to knock him out i wanted to uh set things right i think uh being the uh told and kind of carried as the uh face of uh bellator kickboxing there's a lot of pressure on my shoulders that night and a lot of uh you know i wanted i wanted the big shot i wanted

to make an exciting fight i think i did that you know you definitely did that say kill or be killed like you know and for spike tv's perspective i'm sure we killed it on the ratings and my job was to carry the ratings because that's why it was the first fight from the uh the main card and uh like i said it was a never a boring moment you know it wasn't boring it was fucking wild um is that that's a weird like fine line you have to cross sometimes between like well i should ask you when how do you make the distinction of whether or not you should fight smart or fight exciting do you make that distinction or do you just go can't stop crazy and fucking charge at it I mean yeah I uh

I guess there was like a tournament you know there would be more more uh pressure to to fight a little smarter or whatever. But I take pride in the way that I fight. And I think that when you turn on a fight, you want to see a guy like me. You know what I mean? Guys that complain about people that make boring fights and score points, Floyd Mayweather. You know what I mean? I want to see somebody fight like me.

I want to see a warrior go out there and put it all on the line and go out on the shield. Yeah, that's a That's something that promoters always hope that a guy fights like that They always hope that a guy goes out there charging out guns blazing, you know, but most people don't yeah. Well, I mean Hindsight it didn't work out that well this time but uh, you know, it has worked out in the past a lot more often than that. You know, there's a lot of people on the internet. Oh, fucking internet these days right now. It's so brutal. You didn't get online after the fight, did you?

I tried to stay off for a while, but it's just... It's hard to stay offline. It's hard. It's a little hard. Let's see if... Is there anything I can get out of this? Nope. Well, you could get a lot of technique advice from keyboard warriors. I'm sure they have some strategy advice for you. Yeah.

Everybody's an expert. Yeah, everybody's an expert. But, you know, that's just the thing. It's one of those things where people don't really earn their opinion or their right to express their opinion Everybody just has one now. They have an avenue to express so you have to separate What is that expression the wheat from the chaff so what it is never figured out what the fuck chaff is mmm You know what that is talk to Vinnie the day after the shore man Yeah, Vinnie shore man, and he had ever made a really good point about it

I was like these fucking guys online like just he's like it's easy to say like ignore them it's easy to say you know they started some jerk off kid in their parents basement but i'm not personally religious but you know he used as an example he's like you know jesus christ was like the greatest person ever right like the greatest you know water into wine healed the sick gave wine all that shit the people still killed him you know it doesn't matter how good you sick, gave wine, all that shit, the people still killed him, you know? It doesn't matter how good you are or what you do, there's always going to be some fucking asshole who talks shit and does, you know what I mean?

And that was an interesting little perspective that seemed to work out for me. Like, who cares what these people think? It doesn't matter what you do, they're going to fucking hate you. If everyone was perfect, you wouldn't appreciate perfect people. If everybody was awesome and really cool

and easy to talk to and friendly and like you wouldn't it's not going to happen it's too hard it's too hard to have your shit together and there's too many variables that have to happen in your childhood i think you know like everything either has to go really good or really bad when you appreciate things that are really good so you gravitate towards that it's one or the other but it's just human beings just a project with no directions it's like we're a super complicated computer and no one has a a fucking guidebook no one knows exactly how to work it no one knows exactly what's the and everything's happening in real time and the words you say they especially when you say something online like you might just be in a crazy mood and you know you might just uh you just tweet at jamie hey jamie how about you

go fuck yourself you fucking piece of shit for no reason you might just want to get a reaction please don't do that to jamie folks but you know people do stuff like that and they don't even know why they're doing it they just they're doing it to get a reaction or they're doing it because they're upset and they're like why is this fucking joe schilling guy on tv this piece of shit fuck you i kick his ass miserable people but if they met you they'd be like hey man uh i'm a big fan oh for sure for sure for sure like how you fight you're a real fighter i'll get like a message like i said i was i was a bad mood and I said something really bad about you a couple months ago online. I'm really sorry. Can you unblock me now?

I'm like, no, you're a fucking asshole. Yeah. You're still a fucking asshole. You live by the sword. You die by the sword, kids. That's it. If you get blocked, you stay blocked. Zero tolerance policy.

Zero tolerance. You gotta be a real piece of shit to get blocked. And even if you're a real piece of shit, one day you might snap out of it, but you're going to have to change your Twitter name. You're going to have to start fresh. Yeah. It's a new you. Think about it that way. You're a new troll. But I think, you know, if someone is upset at you because they don't like, you know, a painting that you did or they don't like a song that you made, that's one thing. But a fight is so emotional and so personal and it's so the consequences are so much different than any other endeavor even if you lose a game lebron james you fucking suck it's just a game

the ball didn't go in the net who gives a fuck you know in a fight it's so it's it's the highest consequences possible there's no higher consequences other than war there's no higher consequences as far as like how it feels to lose or what it feels like to to hear people talk shit about you about your performance it's just that and that's one of the reasons why they do it like they know they know it sucks and they know it's not them i have a theory about that man i think one of the reasons why people attack people like when when something goes wrong in their life like a charlie sheen thing or something like that is that they they know that that could happen to them but it's not happening to them right now so they feel like well fuck him then go after him you know they have this they this vote they understand that they would be

equally vulnerable and they feel that that little opening and they just they can't help it it's like a fucking scab they can't they want to pick at it that's interesting I just think they're just pieces of shit that's just you're just a fucking piece of shit yeah yeah and they're just haters like you're just you've never done anything with your life you know you're not willing to take those risks and then when you see somebody else taking those risks and then doesn't work out like ah fucking told you so you know is did you You know, they're just sad people. They're just sad, miserable people.

Definitely. Yeah, that's definitely true. Did you ever see that HBO, was it 24-7 with Floyd Mayweather where he's eating a cheeseburger with his friend? And some guy, some fucking fat doughy cunt is yelling at him how he's afraid to fight Manny Pacquiao. You're talking to arguably the best boxer that's ever lived. Pretty arguable. Pretty good argument. 49-0.

Really has only been rocked maybe twice in his whole fucking career. You might think his style's boring but the fucking guy has done it i mean he just did it and he's talking to some doughy shithead some flapping jaw dumb cunt who's giving him a hard time about fighting manny pacquiao who he then went and shut out a couple months later yeah but it's those people that aren't doing anything those are the ones that are going to yell something like that out those people that they they don't they don't have anything to gain or to lose is they don't and that guy bought the money pack yo take he bought the pay-per-view that same fat doughy piece of shit bought the pay-per-view and is

a flood mayweather fan and probably bought the tmt t-shirt and hat and rocks his tap out fucking shit and you know, same guy. Yeah, he probably has it on a loop on his Facebook. He tells everybody, like, did you see that 24-7 I was on? Did you see that shit? I called him out, yo. I called him out.

Meanwhile, Floyd would slap him in the mouth and make him drink his piss. Now we just gave him another moment. So he'll go off, there you go. He's not going to listen to this. He doesn't have internet connection. He just pays bills. But I think that that's just, you know, there's this broad range of people.

There's going to be winners and there's going to be losers and there's going to be people that take risks. There's going to be people that don't ever take risks and they just, they live their life this sad, muted experience

with no risks, no fun, and no rewards. They just never get to shine. And a guy like you, I mean, you fucking take some big-ass risks with your life, and you have some big, shining moments, like the fourth-round KO of Simon Marcus. moments, you know, like the fourth round KO of Simon Marcus, you know, like you don't get those moments unless sometimes those moments are turned on you. It's just, there's no other way. Like the way you do it, there's no other way. I mean, sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail. I am proud as hell of that. You know what I mean? Like having this conversation, like two or three days ago, it would have been a little rough conversation but now like looking at it like i'm gonna be remembered

as that guy that always brought it you're not gonna my name's gonna go down when i'm dead and gone they're gonna remember what i've done for the sport of kickboxing and i take a lot of pride in that and when you turn on a joe shilling fight killer be killed like i'm i'm gonna fucking try and knock his head off and i'm gonna get caught again in the future and i'm gonna have some huge fucking ups and uh i'm okay with that and uh you know i've been knocked out three times i wasn't knocked out cold in this fight and it wasn't unconscious even for a second they just stopped the fight i've been knocked out three times in over 95 fights i've done more than i ever dreamed i would in the sport that's a lot of fucking fights my kids are super proud their dad's a superhero my mom is super proud knows what i've done um i'm okay with. That's a lot of fucking fights. My kids are super proud. Their dad's a superhero. My mom is super proud.

Knows what I've done. I'm okay with that. That's a great attitude. And if you have that attitude and you press forward with that attitude, I know that you don't like losing. But if you can deal with it, it makes all the other stuff so much easier because you can get right back on the horse. And you've done that already.

You have the experience of right back on the horse you know and you've done that already oh you have the experience of getting back on the horse i mean i got hit by a shot and got dropped and the fight got stopped i've had knee surgeries where i was out for a year and had to come back from it i've had uh you know really really hard things to overcome and i don't plan on i'm not a good loser and i don't plan on ever becoming a good one you know you show me a good loser i'll show you a loser now the the fight i mean he he hit you with a a beautiful spinning back fist but it's not it wasn't necessarily like legal right because he hit you with a forearm like what is bellator rules you can't throw elbows you can't throw forms is that's isn't that kind of weird because you could fucking shin kick someone in

the head yeah well i think it's it's a iska rule is the is the ruling body that does the yeah for for both glory and for uh bellator and the rules meaning they talk about you know you can you can clinch a knee but it has to be active and if you are active and you're effective and let it go for five seconds if you're holding it all if you're clinching to hold they won't give you the five seconds they'll break it it's one of the rules they explain uh when you throw a spinning back fist it has to be the glove that hits you um or they just take a they start taking a point away you start warning because it's a legal shot now i was a professional muay thai fighter with elbows and everything else so i'm never gonna say that you know um did he plan on throwing that spinning back fist i don't

think so did he have a fucking clue spinning back fist I don't think so did he have a fucking clue where he was when he threw it not really I'm pretty sure he was rocked and was no fucking fucking through it and hit me with it and you know that shit happens but is it was that technically a legal shot no but you know I'm not gonna contest that yeah it's it kind of should be legal though right I mean don't you think if you you can hit someone with your shin you should be able to hit someone with your forearm I mean I don't you think if you can hit someone with your shin, you should be able to hit someone with your forearm? I mean, I don't like these rules. I agree with that.

Yeah. I don't like these rules. I think they came up with these rules for K-1 because K-1 had this idea. It used to be no backspinning backfist. If you watch the old K-1 fights, the only rule they say, come out, touch close, come out, swing or whatever. And it was like no spinning backfist. That's so crazy. No, it was no spinning backfist.

But you could throw wheel kicks. Yeah. That doesn't make any cash you know this the rule set is i believe designed for a certain style of fighter of entertainment same thing with the clinch yeah so they that's the uh those are the rules that they want yeah they're not big on elbows in japan because pride didn't allow elbows either which is crazy because they allowed stomps and soccer kicks, but they didn't allow elbows on the ground. So K-1 came up with that rule set, and the idea behind it, I guess, was to make the fights more entertaining because you wouldn't be able to clinch and you'd be forced to fight it out.

Right. Yeah. Exactly. What K-1 did was pretty goddamn amazing. I mean, they really took this sport that, and I think, you know, Dana White had a really good point. We were talking about this once, and I think, you know, Dana White had a really good point. We were talking about this once and I was trying to get him to buy K1. You know, I was like, look, man, these guys, they're going under. Like you got like kickboxing,

like this high level kickboxing, whether it's Glory or it's Showtime or any of these big organizations. When you look at the, like the high level talent in kickboxing, that to me is some of the the most exciting shit to watch in all combat sports when i watch a fight like like your fight this past weekend or like your the tournament or the the simon marcus fight or you fight with artem levin these are crazy chaotic fights i mean that's what people love i think potentially the most about mma obviously you know i'm a big fan of jiu-jitsu as well, and I love when fights go to the ground, and I love when guys win by submission, but man,

I mean, you want to talk about just pure excitement. Kickboxing is one of the most exciting sports on the planet, but Dana White's point was it got fucked in America by that goddamn PKA karate that used to be on ESPN, where you would watch these guys throw these bullshit ass fake kicks, where they had to get in like X amount of kicks per round. So they would like throw these flippy, fake, stupid kicks. And then they would have just really shitty, sloppy boxing. Oh man, there's some really good fucking boxers though.

There was, I think the reason they started from like, from like, uh, it was like what the 70s, 80s was when martial arts was like the thing. Fucking everybody was kung fu, Billy Jack and all that shit, you know? Well,

they had some Rick Rufus's. Oh yeah, Rick Rufus was a bad motherfucker. Alex Celestio was a bad motherfucker. Oh yeah. Um, there was some, you know,

Don the Dragon Wilson was a bad motherfucker. Oh yeah. But so they had these, there's karate guys and there are martial arts guys in general and they're building this, trying to make this, this full contact thing. the dragon wilson was a bad motherfucker oh yeah but so they had these there's karate guys and there are martial arts guys in general and they're building this trying to make this this full contact thing and there was all these boxers that were going there and just beating the

fuck out of everybody's they're like okay okay okay you have to throw seven kicks before you can you have to throw seven kicks per round just to even keep it from you know turning into just straight boxing matches yeah and you watch them and they'll go out there and they'll be like one two three four five six seven wow wow wow i mean they're bad motherfucking boxers so like there from turning into just straight boxing matches. Yeah. And you watch them and they'll go out there and they'll be like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Wah, wah, wah. I mean, they're bad motherfucking boxers. So there were some really good guys. There were some really good guys back then

that did go overseas and competed worldwide. Yeah, there was some. But there was also a lot of sloppy shit. Oh, there was a lot of sloppy shit too. But if you look at the level that you're seeing now today in high-level kickboxing in comparison to them, like the Nikki Holtzkins and the Joe Valtellini and the Raymond Daniels and you, there's no comparison. The level is so high today.

It's much higher today. And I feel like the public is just, for whatever reason, they haven't tuned into it yet. To me, it's like the most exciting thing that most people don't tuned into it yet it to me is like the most exciting thing that most people don't know about i mean did you watch the dynamite event yeah i did you like that i thought that i think it's an interesting way to do it have a cage and a ring right by each other yeah the setup of the ring in the cage is you know coca really likes it for the fans that are there that they can watch both at the same time you know i think the seating arrangements get weird or whatnot.

But from a marketing perspective to get exactly what you're talking about, America to pay attention to kickboxing so that we can build the sport, you got all these people that tuned in to watch Rampage. Yeah. Matron's first fight. You got people that wanted to watch the title fight that was going on. All of those MMA fans. Michael Chandler.

Michael Chandler's fight. Awesome. You did a great job.ler's fight awesome You look smoking All of those people that tuned in Bellator showed high-level kickboxing you know what I mean like that's that's a genius way to market it and to get it out there and then You know, I was the first fight on the kickboxing card to try to keep those fans Those ratings going or whatnot your boy boy Kevin Ross looks sensational too. Kevin Ross looks fucking great.

Looks fucking great. Yeah, it's... And Cary Melendez. Cary Melendez's fight was fucking awesome, Jim. Absolutely. I'm excited that Bellator's doing it. I'm excited Spike TV's doing it. I'm excited that they're putting on kickboxing.

I just wonder what's missing. Like, you know, the UFC needed the Ultimate Fighter. Before the Ultimate Fighter, nobody had a fucking clue as to what MMA was. wonder what's what's missing like you know the ufc needed the ultimate fighter before the ultimate fighter nobody nobody had a fucking clue as to what mma was they really didn't know it was just a few people had heard of ufc from the old days and the hoist gracie days and the the vast majority of the public was kind of out of the loop and then they put on the ultimate fighter and you know it was sort of the the prime of reality TV back then and that fight Between Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner which was such a wild-ass fight that sort of made MMA

I mean really did it made the UFC and Bellator needs something like that they need what if those who played it safe that night. Oh, that's a good point Why do we hear Joe? It's a good point. Where do we be Joe, Joe? That's a good point. Where'd we be, Joe? That's a good point. I'd probably be in Texas right now doing stand-up. I probably would have never worked for the year. Probably would have went under. How many keyboard warriors were telling Forrest Griffin how sloppy he looked that night? And Stefan Bonner was a chode or whatever the fuck they would say.

What is a chode? Does anybody know? I don't know. Is that a real thing? You know what they like to call people today I've noticed? Cuck. A cuck? A cuck.

That's a big thing. Well, you know what it is? It's like the kids on the internet have found a new insult. It's like cuck has only been around for like- Yeah, cuck. Like C-U-K? C-U-K, yeah. Well, it comes from cuckold, which is like a guy who likes watching his wife get fucked by other men, usually manlier men.

How the fuck do you know that term, Joey? How do you know that? I'm online. I frequent the internet, sir. From dick pics to cuckold? Yeah, cuckold, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, Jamie. But I believe that's what it's about.

You know who would know? I wish Jim Norton was here. He could explain this to us in its entirety. But there is a whole genre of porn based around really nerdy white guys who have this smoking hot wife that's not satisfied. And some guy is like, shut the fuck up and sit down. I'm going to fuck your wife in front of you oh no and they cry and some of them they make the they make the husband suck their dick that happens too wow yeah that's a cuck that's a cuck that the husband who sucks

dick is the cuck or the guy that comes in and smashes no that guy's a stud the guy who comes in smashes it but i don't know if he's a stud if he lets the guy suck his dick. That's just weird. Yeah. That's where it goes deep. You know, there's like a spectrum even in cuck porn. Even cuck porn has a lot of variables that you have to take into consideration. Unbelievable. But I see people calling people cucks all the time.

If you're calling another man a cuck as an insult, what does that say about you and the porn that you watch that you know that is? It just says you frequent Reddit or something, or you're on Twitter all the time. I mean, I don't think it says anything about you. I just think it's a new thing to call someone to hurt their feelings. There's no equivalent word. It's a new sort of like uh classification of someone to call someone a cuck you fucking cuck yeah you cuck well now i'm starting i'll start calling people out yeah no don't do it we just promoted it to the world it's now it was a kind of thing before

now it's gonna be fucking holy shit no they've been doing it forever they're gonna call people a hashtag powerful cuck oh you just started something now man You just made a big mistake You know when I noticed it a lot When Kurt Metzger He's a writer for Amy Schumer's show He's a funny stand up comedian Very funny guy

And he was one of the writers for Amy Schumer's show When she was getting accused of plagiarism And all this stuff was going on And I was seeing all these people calling him a cuck. And I was like, what is this? And then I noticed it was everywhere. People calling people cucks. Like, everyone's a cuck.

Cuck. It's just a phase. I hope so. There you go. So if someone calls you a cuck, now you know. You're like, what am I, a chicken? The fuck is that? I don't get it.

A cluck? Now I will get it. Yeah. The internets are gonna melt now All of my all the haters now are gonna call me a cook you think I don't think it'll work It doesn't work if you don't like actually watching your wife get gorilla fuck by some greater first of all you got to find A dude fuck your wife that you can't kick his ass That's not it's not like a regular guy joe schilling so

this is a different sort of scenario a real cuck is supposed to be like a feeble person who lets some uh fucking lawrence taylor type dude come into his bedroom and fuck the shit out of his little white wife uh there's a visual for you yeah there you go that kind of a thing you know well this tuck won't work on me then but they'll try it on you anyway I mean I wonder if we've run out of insults I mean because this cuck one they're using it so often even when it's not it's not really

applicable and they're doing it because it's a new one like we got a new one yes like it's not like this makes sense let me call him a faggot this makes sense let me call him a pussy no it's makes sense. Let me call him a pussy No, it's like we got this world Let's just throw it around until it's almost like they found a new word and they just thrown it around till it's useless And we're promoting it

Will be useless quicker now. We're just reporters here Joe Schilling. We're just talking about the world you and I are We're essentially journalists. Yeah. We're current events journalists. Current events. Yeah. We're trying, and there might be some old folks right now that are maybe, you know, not in the same social groups as us. Maybe they live in Iowa or something like that. And they're just trying to dip their toe into the rest of the world.

Like, what are these kids talking about these days? Let me see what a comedian and a kickboxer have to say about the world. And then they find out about cucks. And then, you know, their wife later is going through their Google search. She finds cuck. What the hell is a cuck? What the fuck is a cuck? And then she starts looking up cuck.

And she finds cuck porn. And she gets excited. And she thinks, my husband wants a guy to fuck me in front of him. I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to set some shit up. And then she goes on Craigslist, finds some dude. And she thinks, you know, she's fulfilling a fantasy. Try to spice up the relationship and suicide.

Murder-suicide, maybe. Murder-suicide. Probably, right? Yeah. It's hard to come back from that one. Depends on how far out in the sticks we're talking about. Yeah. I think now with the internet, I don't think there really is a Styx anymore. I think even in the Styx, they still get all the data.

If you have a connection to the internet and you can research stuff, all the weirdness of the world will find its way into your brain. There's no hiding anymore. Can't hide from the cucks anymore. Yeah, it used to be like you could live in some weird town in Kentucky and you would never find out about the, the goth people or the furries or any of the weird shit out there. But now you find out cosplay.

Who the fuck's going to find out about cosplay in West Virginia? You know, what the fuck is cosplay? You don't know what that is? What planet am I on? I'm on Los Angeles. You're too busy training. I don't know anything about this shit.

Too busy hanging out in downtown LA. Representing DTLA. All day, son. That's where my buddy Magnus Walker lives. The Porsche guy. You ever seen his videos? Yeah. Drives all around downtown LA in classic Porsches.

He was actually right. His spot, his loft or whatever, is right next to where the first location of the yard, my gym. It was right over there. No shit. So you're in the heart of it man what do you like about downtown la um right now i like it because it's it's uh it's close to the gym and uh it's close to my kid's house and it's it's convenient it's close to hollywood it's like

15 minutes from hollywood it's kind of right in the middle of everything yeah it's it's funky too now it's downtown la is kind of morphing, right? Yeah, it's getting different. It used to be, like, a very arts district and younger crowd. Not so expensive. Now it's super high-end expensive. The property down there is blowing up. It's crazy how it's blowing up. We were actually looking at a place.

There's still not shit to do down there, though. There's, like like five bars downtown That's it? I don't know, I don't really enjoy it Some nice restaurants You know what it is, I think people are craving something like that And they see something happening Like it's happening, it's happening

It's happening right here, let's start building Let's start buying up And they're hoping that it becomes like a New York Because LA doesn't have It doesn't have like a place where anybody walks yeah well la is like people say they live in la but you live in like burbank or glendale there's like 50 cities they have about as big a downtown as downtown la so yeah it's like la county if you live in la county you live in la right but la itself la proper there's nowhere to walk it's

like melrose street you could kind of walk on melrose good luck crossing one of those streets people fucking run you over while they're texting doing meth you know there's some cool spots downtown i was like completely hating on downtown no i like downtown la jamie and i talked about putting a studio up yeah and what yeah well the i I think what we might do, you know, we're going to set up another place around here, but we're talking about doing a place on one of those penthouses, one of those apartment buildings. Just get an apartment on, like, a top floor with one of those crazy views. Right. I just think that would enhance a podcast.

Yeah. If we were sitting here and behind us was some fucking sick view of the city, especially at night. Where the fuck is my picture Joe? I thought that was it's out there. It's on the other in the other room. Okay. It's in the other room I'll go get it. I'll go get it. I'll go get it. It's cool You still smoking that picture has you smoking you quit for a little while. Are you back? Yeah, I go back forth I think I quit that shit dude. I know you got it. It's no good. It is no benefit zero Except the I don't know. You got to. It's no good. There's no benefit. Zero. Except the I don't give a fuck factor. When there's something about when you decide I'm going to smoke a cigarette right now. Clearly, I don't give a fuck about my health. I don't give a fuck about the future. I don't give a fuck about cancer. I don't give a fuck. This is an I don't give a fuck moment. But I guess there's some escape in that.

There's some fun in that. And then you get the chemicals from the cigarette that you're craving. The nice nicotine feeling. The calmness that comes with it. That washes over you. You need a cigarette right now? You're making me want one actually. But you're a professional athlete, man. Yeah, I am.

Can't be doing that. Try vaping? Try sucking on those robot dicks? Yeah, I have a great sponsor who hooked me up with that stuff. I try to, you know, Firebrand America. Awesome. Powerful Firebrand America. Is that good?

They're really good. It's really good. They take really good care of me. Do they have, like, one of those big fat ones that look like a cigarette box? Yeah. They have a whole bunch of those different kinds. What is the deal with those? It's called a mod. I don't know. A mod? It's called a mod.

These goddamn kids. Cucks and mods. Cucks and mods. For a reason. Cuck is not going to catch on. I still don't get it. I still don't fucking get it. Cuck. Let's just call the guy a cock or a cocksucker or a fucking... Nope. You're a cuck.

You fucking cuck. Yeah. They like it. It's a new word. It's exciting to use. Let them use it. Sucker fucking nope no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Yeah, but back then it had nothing to do with being gay, but it's too late. It's connected to that It's really hard to use retard. It's hard to use retard today No, you know even though it's not even a classification for mental illness There's nothing to do with down syndrome like retarded means slow growth like slow to catch on it is Literally the perfect word to use for retards when someone's a retard like calling them a retard is the perfect word Like you would never say that about someone who has a disease or someone who has down syndrome Right, but if someone's like it wants Trump wins white people taking over. That's a retard. That's a retard, right? It's the right word. It's the right word. It's absolutely the right word. These goddamn language police motherfuckers,

they've typed... Everybody's so sensitive. They're too sensitive. Bunch of cucks. Bunch of fucking sensitive cucks. They've trimmed it down. Maybe we'll catch on. Maybe I do like it. You fucking sensitive cuck. We need a new word. I'm happy it's around. Because that actually works in the description, right? It's the type of weak little bitch that would let some other man

fuck his wife. Yes! The same person that would be some other man fuck his wife yeah It would be like a little call my retard exactly we need to be more sensitive about the way we communicate Hmm, but what they're really trying to do is just control people it's a try now. It's the post vacation. Yes The goddamn pussification of America. I see it's not even America. That's like the whole world the whole world fucking post vacation of everybody. Oh, yeah Well, it's also not not being honest about what the fuck's going on You know like when something happens we have to be real sensitive to who we insult post post like attacks like with this shit that was going on in Germany where all these women were getting raped during New Year's Eve cut because of all these

Islamic refugees they had come in from Syria. I mean, it's just, that's just the way it is. People are coming from a completely different culture. In their culture, women are much more suppressed. They come over to this country, Germany, where women are westernized. They're free and they're wearing skirts and their tits are hanging out. They're dressed normal and they're getting attacked. And so what does the fucking mayor of, what was it, Berlin, tell them?

Stay away from men and dress different. Stay an arm's length away from men and dress more conservatively. Like, literally. This fucking, these people are so sensitive and worried that they're going to hurt someone's feelings or they're going to be called Islamophobic or racist in some way that they're telling women who've done nothing wrong that they should dress differently because they've unfortunately let these people in from another culture

that think about things differently. Yeah. Bunch of cucks. Fucking cucks. Sensitive cuck. The mayor of Berlin or wherever it was, was a woman. Was it Berlin? I don't remember what the city was.

That's a woman, so it's even more confusing. But boy, did she get fucking raked over the coals online. People are getting tired of it. The pendulum swings both ways. It swings towards ultra-sensitivity, and then people get sick of that. And they go, what the fuck? And then they go hard the other way. I think that's one of the reasons why Trump is the

Republican nominee. I think Caitlyn Jenner is responsible for a lot of it. I think people saw that and they're like, what the fuck? They're just like, what are you doing? What is this 62-year-old man, now he's a woman, call me Kate, on the cover of Vanity Fair,

gonna be naked on the cover of Sports Illustrated. And then she won like Athlete of the Year Get the fuck out of here Get the fuck out of here She won Woman of the Year Yeah, Woman of the Year She won for a week She wins Woman of the Year

Just shows you, men can do everything Including win Woman of the Year Look at this, cuck Jamie pulled up the fucking definition Is this an urban dictionary? This is a better definition I think think, than the one you gave. Oh, how dare you. A demasculated millennial liberal male who often speaks of white privilege and modern feminism blames white men for all the world's problems.

Hmm. This is the new definition. They're updated now. There goes- That's not all the definitions you gave me, Joe. I like this, though. There goes Chad again with the megaphone telling everyone that he's a vegan. What a cuck. Okay.

I like that. I like that a lot. But look up cuck hold. But cuck hold is different. It's a different short for cuck-servative? What? The word cuck is most commonly used on Twitter to describe anti-white males. While it was originally formed with the original meaning of cuck, cuck hold, the use of the

word cuck does not necessarily denote a sexual connotation. Wow, it's morphing. The language is evolving before our eyes. Cucks do not care about Islamic countries throwing gays off buildings or hanging them as much as the cake baker who is Christian and won't serve gay wedding customers. Oh, that's interesting. Cucks give a free pass to anyone who criticizes them for fear of looking racist or homophobic. Well, so that lady in Germany is a cuck. The word originated from white nationalist vocabulary, but it's still widely used by all.

from white nationalist vocabulary, but it's still widely used by all. Okay, but that... So, but they took cuckold and turned it into this new thing. Go to... But what is cuck... Pull up the definition for cuckold. So this has nothing to do with guys' wives getting banged by gorillas or shit like that.

It does to me. It's still real to me, damn it. There's also like an official definition that is from like an old dictionary from Old English. It just means a man whose wife is unfaithful. Yeah, cuckold. Which is, yeah. Yeah, to make a cuckold of. So if you, okay, that's how Norton, I think, described it to me.

Like a man, if your wife is out banging other dudes and you know about it but you don't say anything, you become a cuckold. you know about it but you don't say anything you become a cuckold but there's also like cuckold porn where it's like i said the guy's there while like sobbing in the corner while his wife gets gorilla fucked interesting the world is evolving it's beautiful so it's still open open season then for use cuck any way you want because we just did like five definitions. I still don't have a fucking clue what it means. Yeah, I mean... A bunch of cucks. Sensitive cucks. I like that one definition, though.

The vegan who gets on the megaphone. It's usually a vegan who's been a vegan for like a month, too. Right. Those are my favorite. Fucking cucks. Fucking cucks. Boy, how do you pull out of this and have a normal conversation Where do we go from here Joe

Where do we go So tell me what it's like working with Scott Coker And what this whole I mean you are the face of Bellator kickboxing They're really promoting you hard Like the Bellator kickboxing logo has your image You know was it like you throwing a knee I think Is it?

I think or you throwing a punch or I think? Is it? I think. Or you throwing a punch, or is it an elbow? Something. But I'm seeing, like, so many of these Bellator kickboxing promos that have your face on them. Yeah. It's a good feeling, you know. Scott Coker's a big fan of kickboxing. He is.

He is. Yeah, he's really pushing it. I think that Viacom and Spike Sports are really pushing it. They're really getting behind it, and they're trying to promote the sport. I'm blessed that I'm a big part of that, and they're trying to do that for me. Scott Coker and Bellator in general has always treated me really, really well. Really well. They need to bail on that name.

Bellator. You hate it. I hate it. You hate it. There you go. It's you throwing an elbow. I'm right. Bellator, you hate it. I hate it. I hate it. There you go. It's you throwing an elbow. I'm right. Bellator kickboxing.

Look at that, brother. Kazam. Kapow. You're not allowed to elbow Bellator. Yeah, that's even weirder. You're throwing an elbow, and you're not allowed to elbow. What the fuck? I don't know.

That just shows how ridiculous it is. Why don't they just do Muay Thai? I mean, like, I watch Lion Fight. They're just doing straight Muay Thai, and it seems pretty popular, just shows how ridiculous it is why don't they just do muay thai well i mean like i watch lion fight they they're just doing straight muay thai and it seems pretty popular although it's on access tv and i think the uh the k1 model um worked really well i think that you know i mean why change it obviously worked for so long um because the other stuff works like if you're gonna strike if you're just gonna do striking striking, why not throw elbows? I mean, why not throw knees in the clinch?

Why not be able to clinch and sweep? Why not be able to do all the things that make Muay Thai special? Why not take off MMA gloves? Why not stomp on people's face? Why not do the knee drop? You know what I mean? That's why everything can change. That's right. Bare knuckle.

Bare knuckle Muay Thai. I knew that you were going to bring that up. I had to bring it up. Here we go again. Does anybody, well, I know in Thailand there's still like, I saw San Chai had a fight recently where they were wearing just essentially hand wraps. Yeah. But they're pretty thick hand wraps.

Yeah, it's like a rope. It's like a bounded fist matches a Thai fight. They still do that every couple, however long. What's the benefit of that? Because it looks like there's still a lot of padding. I think it's more about the Thai culture and and that was like the the siam warrior days when they were going to war they had that kind of thing and the mongkong that they wear when they walk right for the thing we would wear they would wear that around they wouldn't take that off like no no

they would pull it down and they wear it around their neck like a necklace when they would fight and go to war really but it's still the same thing it's like a cloth that's been blessed it might be your your mother's shirt or something like special and you're taking that with you to battle you would never you would never take that off and years and years ago no shit when they start taking it off somebody got ezekiel choked with it yeah probably i mean but uh you know that was uh muay baran is a traditional martial arts style of muay thai before it became a sport it was muay baran that's traditional martial arts style of Muay Thai before it became a sport. It was Moi Baran. That's where you see like Tony John and those guys run up you and drop elbows.

Like the war style of Muay Thai was Moi Baran, which is what those bounded fist things are. It's more about like giving, showing their culture, I think. They're very proud of Muay Thai in Thailand. It's their national sport. Well, they should be. I mean mean they figured out the best way to take care of someone's legs i mean they really did figure out the best way to leg kick they figured out the the best way to throw elbows in the clinch i mean it's just so many excellent things came out of muay thai yeah it's interesting that this one country i mean pretend thailand didn't exist it's interesting that this one country, I mean, pretend Thailand didn't exist. It's a very small country. If Thailand didn't exist,

like literally all of combat striking would be very different. Right. One of the most influential countries ever, if you really take into consideration like what they've contributed to overall combat sports, Thailand is one of the most influential countries ever,

next to Brazil. Well, I guess Japan, because that's the first and foremost, because the Japanese even taught jiu-jitsu to Elio Gracie and Carlos Gracie, and then it became Brazilian jiu-jitsu. But Brazil was responsible for a massive amount of evolution of submission fighting. But other than that, you've got, I western wrestling you know but but that's russia that's a lot of countries where you did start talking about wrestling yeah and then you got boxing kung fu which was huge and a huge martial art it's not used as predominantly in mma so like

mma makes the sport you know you're you're talking about brazil and what it's done for for the sport well that's the sport style of it, you know, but like Kung Fu is, was a huge martial art from China and Judo and karate. And, you know, before there was guns and bombs and,

and, uh, cucks everywhere. There was like, there was like Vikings who had fucking swords that like went across the globe and fucking raped and pillaged and dominated people. And, you know,

humans, millions of years, however many years ago it was, you know, humans, millions of years, however many years ago it was, you know, they were animals. Yeah. Killing people and going to war. And all of these countries made up, you know, samurais and made up their own style or whatever.

But, like, I think Burma, which is, like, right next to Thailand, has, like, Burmese boxing, which is very similar. Cambodia has Muay Thai or its own version of those things. Yeah, there's Bando, that's from Burma too, right? Yep, Bando kickboxing. It's just amazing the style that the Thais use as far as the clinching, the knees in a clinch, and the kicks and elbows in a clinch, and then leg kicks.

They really revolutionized stand-up striking, certainly in MMA. For sure. One of the most important aspects of MMA. And some guys just become so proficient at it. It's interesting when you watch pure Thai boxing, like Yat-Sing-klai or really high-level Thai guys. You watch it, you're like, wow, this is a totally different way of doing it. They have a very specific type of style. And you watch the high-level guys come over and fight in the U.S.

It's really interesting how successful they are. Oh, yeah. And like San-ch know has a very exciting style and a very different style he uses a lot of um Moe Baran techniques that

you know the cartwheel kick is a Moe Baran technique you know so he's uh his uh you know in Thailand

there's the culture of Muay Thai and the level is so unbelievably high that uh that's the involvement, you know

Has really involved. Yeah, um, Sanchez really light on his feet, too He's interesting to watch fight because he's not like, you know We think of like a tie fighters being like light with the front leg We're kind of plotting forward but Sanchez like very light on his feet like a real good footwork moves around a lot a lot a lot of like a lot of um feints and a lot of like misdirects and and um very very fast very fast kicker too interesting like there's so many good guys now that have come over from thailand young guys too like joe not a lot you know it's um it's a really good time to watch just even straight Muay Thai. Yeah, I mean, you've got guys with 200 fights that were trained by guys with 200 fights that were trained by guys with 200 fights that were trained by guys by 200 fights.

And they start when they're seven years old, and that's their way of life and their culture. Muay Thai is in their blood and in their DNA. I have 90 fights, somewhere around 90 fights. And they're like, man. That's a lot of fights. I'm like that ain't shit That's like a 15 year old in Thailand before a boxer. That's crazy, right? Find a boxer has 90 fights. That's pretty rare Well, I mean like de la had like 150 images. Did he really yeah? What is the most anybody's ever had in MMA? I think it's Travis Fulton.

I think Travis Fulton has like 300 fights. I think he has 300 fights. Jesus. Yeah. Jeremy Horn, I think, had 200 or close to it. Jeremy Horn, that was who I thought. I saw Jeremy Horn fighting this janky little fucking card once somewhere in California. I forget where.

It was some Indian casino or something like that where you weren't allowed to you weren't allowed to punch you were allowed to slap slap to the face but you're allowed to kick to the face and it was just it was like when mma was illegal like pancreas or something yeah when mma was illegal there was like a bunch of loopholes that they were exploiting because you couldn't fight fight MMA in California for a long time. So they came up with all sorts of different ways of doing it. They were like, oh, you have to throw seven kicks. They didn't have that. But they had slaps.

That was another thing that existed in Japan. The early days, the pancreas style. Which is real weird to watch now. Boss Root was the guy who figured out how to hack that, though. He hacked it because he threw palms like punches. Yeah. Where everybody else was throwing bitch slaps, Boss Rootin was knocking guys out with palm strikes

because he was throwing palm uppercuts and palm hooks. He figured out how to hack it. Yeah. That crazy fucker. Crazy fucking. Kick the lever. liver cake yeah he's uh he's another guy who paid the price physically his uh his craziness and his his madness and his pursuit because he just he would talk about i mean talked about on the podcast he would just shoot cortisone into his joints and his shins and just numb everything up and lidocaine you shoot lidocaine into his shins and so yeah lidocaine's

a numbing agent yeah it's like novocaine right it's like the gay cousin of cocaine doesn't get you high but it just leaves you numb and confused okay yeah i got it i had lidocaine in my nose once uh when i have my nose operated on. And it's interesting. It makes you feel weak and disoriented, but you're not drugged up. You're like, something's wrong with me. I could drive. I could walk. I could talk to people.

But I'm like, I'm just not. So he would inject it into his shin because he was injured or just because he wouldn't feel it when he kicked it? I'd have to ask Boss again, get the full story story but I know injecting cortisone into all of his joints just wrecked him there's no cartilage on in any of his joints his knees are completely shot it's all bone-on-bone he was actually gonna get him resurfaced you ever seen when someone gets it resurfaced my friend Steve Graham had his knee done I'll show you a picture you're gonna get grossed out he was uh he was on the olympic ski team yeah why am i fucking having so much he was on the

u.s ski team i should say i don't know he wasn't in the olympics but he was um a top flight skier and had upwards of 20 operations on his knee. Yeah, I'm not exaggerating. And this is what his knees look like now. They resurfaced the inside of his knee because he was bone on bone, so they put steel caps over the joints. So the way his tibia and fibula intersect with each other and then i'm assuming like they don't rust or no it's a little slide over each other yeah and that white shit is like

a artificial meniscus like a artificial padding huh in between the steel how's it work is it good he's happy yeah it's not so good no it's all right. You know, I mean, he's a crazy fucker. He's in pain all the time. But he's just one of those dudes. Some people just know how to suck it up. What did you have done to your knee? I tore my MCL, ripped my MCL, like detached it from my shin. And then that allowed my knee.

And I tore my ACL in half. And then I partially tore my LCL so there's like four tendons in your and hold your knee like two of them were completely torn and then one of them was like pretty fucking close to being completely torn wow what happened there I took a fight on short notice and um in Vegas we did fought a uh I don't Chinese guy and uh it was like the San Xiao I didn't even know what San Xiao was

they were like they told me the rules like five minutes before the fight in the backstage I was throwing I went to throw a knee and as I was like

standing on on one foot as I was standing on one foot throwing the knee he kicked right under my my knee

and it shifted so hard that it just ripped my blew everything out oh wow and then being so hard that it just ripped my blew everything out. And then being the savage that I am, I took the eight count and stood up and I was like I'll try to fight anyway. And I'm like, oh, he's going to kick my leg.

So I'm like, oh, I know what I'm going to do. So as he runs to kick my leg, I jump over it like, aha, but I landed on the one that was already fucked. Went out again. And then, I don't know, if it wasn't completely torn at that point, it definitely was after that. But, yeah, I did that. And then that same fight, I had my other knee ended up getting

like a quarter-sized piece of cartilage torn out and was floating around in the joint. It was a rough fight. It was a rough $1,000 back then, Joe. A thousand bucks to fight. I was out for a year. God damn. So I was out for a year, and when I came back, I just went on a terror.

I went on my belts. I went on 10-0, I think, immediately after that. Now, what kind of surgery did they do? Did they have to do cadavers and all that jazz? Yeah, cadavers and scope. I don't even have that. You can't even tell if you look at my knee there's not even scars that's amazing dr mora and uh orange city of orange did an amazing job and uh he fought with the insurance company for me it was they didn't want to do the cadaver thing they wanted to like what they do is they'll actually cut a sliver out

of your hamstring or your hamstring or your patella tendon which is the big fat tendon that goes down the front of your knee i had that done and they would cut a sliver out of that take that piece put it in your acl and then wait for that to scar over yeah and i'm like so i already have a weak knee and you're gonna fucking take one of the only tendons i have left and make that one weak again i didn't go for it so you have the cadaver thing which is crazy it's like a dead body part obviously and then i guess once they put it in your body like mutates it and like takes a while to get soft again and then you it'll your body will take it down as its own well your body it acts as a scaffolding it's not like the cadaver itself is stays in your body, your body uses the tissue that the cadaver graft is on to sort of proliferate with its own cells. So that's why they use an Achilles tendon because it's larger.

I had that done on my right knee. It was way quicker recovery. The left knee, I had both ACLs done. The left knee, I did the patella thing. Like way back in, I think it was 1993 1993 or four so it was back in the day they didn't do the cadaver back then they only did the patella tendinograph or they did even worse the hamstring which is a real bad one because then your hamstring has to recover and they just take a chunk out of your hamstring and then just fucking bolt it into place. I think that has to, the same thing. Your body has to proliferate it with cells

and it has to, you got to make sure the blood supply's working and it's a lot of work. Now they can do like PRP and all this cool stuff. You were telling me about that orange shit last time I was here. Oh, now they're doing stem cell treatments for a lot of people. I know Daniel Cormier had that done. He was really close to getting knee surgery,

had some stem cells in it, and heals right up. Heals right up. It's just amazing. What they're finding with stem cells is that it can take on the form, especially if they're doing it from women's placenta. Like a woman who gets a cesarean section, let's take a young girl who's getting a cesarean section, they take her placenta and they take the stem cells out of that and they can inject it into various areas of

your body and it can become anything. It can become a tendon. It could become a ligament. It could repair torn muscles. It's really interesting what they're able to do. But there's also some danger apparently, especially if you go to Mexico. Some dude went to a bunch of different places. I think he went to like six different places to get stem cells because he had a back problem. And, um, he started growing some weird tumor in his back that was like pressing on his spine. And when they cut the tumor out, they realized it was not his tissue, that it was like someone else's tissue was growing in his body. Like somebody.

Like whoever's stem cell. Yeah, he's like trying to get like uterus. You got any uteruses laying around? And he's got some stem cells off of that. And they're like, oh, yeah, give him that fucking tumor we took out of that guy. It's a stem cell, right? It'll work the same. Well, if you're going to Russia or Mexico.

You get like a boil cut off and they're like, oh, boy. Stuff it in there. I mean, I don't, I'm obviously not a doctor, so I don't know exactly what they did in these other countries that they're trying to pass off as stem cells. I mean, who knows what the fuck

they injected this guy with. But it used to be you'd have to go to foreign countries to get stem cell treatments. Because, you know, they weren't exactly sure. It apparently helped this guy with. But it used to be you'd have to go to foreign countries to get stem cell treatments. Because, you know, they weren't exactly sure. It apparently helped this guy once, and then it started to go away. Like, whatever benefit he was getting started going away. And then he's like,

I'm just going to go on a fucking mad tear all across the world and get stem cells. The third world stem cell tour. I can't believe it didn't work out for him. I don't know. It's fucked. They cut, cut like a fucking like a cod out of his back.

And then they probably to fix that they gave him like American stem cells and everything's good. I think he's done. I think homeboy's toast. And he's definitely saying

I think his quote was don't go in the future I would advise people strongly not to go with anecdotal evidence. Solid advice right there. But, you know, it's helped me a lot. My shoulder was pretty fucked. And I got stem cells, and it's fucking fantastic now.

Yeah, it feels great. It gets a little sore sometimes after a hard workout, but I just ice it up and it's good to go. Like all the strength is 100%. They're doing it a lot on pro athletes now there's a lot of athletes that are getting it done whereas um you know there's very little way to get certain areas to heal without taking just massive amounts of time off or surgery you know but when you're talking about like your kind of injury i mean that's just par for the course right with your business i mean yeah i mean uh everything everything my all my joints hurt my elbows are sore as shit right now

my uh my knuckles hurt my hands hurt my chest my chest still hurts from that last man standing tournament that i did a couple years ago my neck gets uh your chest still hurts you had a broken sternum right yeah well i don't know what i said it was like a... Did you ever get an MRI? I got an MRI. I did injections. I did all kinds of stuff. I still have this... I have a... It's like a hematoma that's in between the rib cartilage or something, and it swells out

all the time. It's still swollen. There's like a golf ball right there. Oh, Jesus. But it would get so bad that it would swell up like a fucking tennis ball and then that would pinch off all the nerves running down my arm oh terrific i'd be all fucked up and the only way to fix that is probably to open you up like a fish cut that out hope it doesn't come back ibuprofen on the daily is uh is that what you're taking yep pretty much all the time you know what man i had a friend

or i have a friend um who's an ultra marathon runner. And he was taking ibuprofen every morning, and he was also taking it at night. He was taking 800 milligrams in the morning, 800 milligrams at night. Sounds. And then I had this woman on who's a doctor, Dr. Rhonda Patrick. She's a clinical researcher, and she was talking about the dangers of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. They cause high blood pressure. They can cause strokes in some people, especially when you're using them on a daily basis.

She's like, there's a lot of people that are using non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, and it actually, there's a fucked up loop that's going on, and this is the loop. When you take non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, it actually causes inflammation because it fucks with the gut flora in your body, especially if you take it on a regular basis, which in turn causes inflammation because it fucks with the gut flora in your body, especially if you take it on a regular basis, which in turn causes inflammation, which you're taking non-steroidal anti-inflammatories to deal with the inflammation. So the pills that you're taking to deal with joint pain sometimes are causing joint pain. And that's with my friend Cam Haynes. He was running a half a marathon every day. He still is. He's because he's gearing up for this Bigfoot 200 that's in August.

He's going to run 200 miles in 48 hours. He ran 24 hours last weekend. He ran 102 miles to gear up for it, too. But he got off the ibuprofen after that podcast, and he goes, I've never felt better. He goes, it's amazing. He goes, all the aches and pains that I was taking ibuprofen for, they all went away. So what does he take for them? It's not taking shit. It's not taking shit. It's just eating healthy

He's always eating healthy How bad you eat Not that bad come on Joe you already can we just stop with the cigarettes? I love you, man. I'm just trying to help you out. No, I mean I don't eat that bad. I have a with the cigarettes already. I tell you this because I love you, man. I'm just trying to help you out. No, I don't eat that bad.

I have a, especially lately, I have a food prep sponsor that gives me really good shit. Oh, that's right. I saw them on your Instagram. Chef Raul. That looks super healthy.

You get all those pre-prep meals. That makes it easy, huh? Oh, it's so good. So it's hot sauce, all I need, 45, a minute 45 in the microwave.

Nice. So you get it like every week? You get like a week's supply? Oh, yeah. During my fight camps, he gives me like every week I'll go and pick him up. How do people get a hold of this guy? Like is there a website? I follow him on, get a hold of him through my Instagram or on Instagram.

It's Chef Raul. Chef Raul. No, The Meal Plan Man. Look up The Meal Plan Man. Chef Raul, The Meal Plan Man. Chef Raul, The Meal Plan Man. Yeah, there's a lot of those guys. A lot of MMA fighters have those sponsors that do that.

God, that makes a big difference. Oh, it's so good. Healthy food's so fucking important. It's like, duh, of course. But you really are what you eat, man. I mean, it sounds so cliche. We don't think about it because food tastes good. And you feel, ah, what's it going to hurt if I have a fucking cookie?

Your body's made out of everything you put in it. If you eat cookies all the time, you fuck, you become a cookie. You become the product of all the bullshit non-nutritional food that you stuff in your fat face. Yeah. He's got a like grass fed beef and bison and fucking all the good stuff. So it's good. Nice.

That's nice. Do you that's nice do you take supplements you take like vitamins or everything on the on it sends me so that's been good i'm addicted to alpha brain now like if i don't take alpha brain i'm just like why am i so dumb today i took a bunch so i could be on here so i never used to take it before workouts but now i take it before workouts i've found that it's because i always think well that doesn't have anything to do like mental energy but it has it has a lot to do especially when you're fatigued Like mental energy like I find that my workouts have more energy when I take alpha brain and I take shroom tech together I stack them and Aubrey said that's what like all the pro athletes are doing like football players and shit. They stack them

There's all there's a lot of good stuff today that you can find that really does help you. Or rather, essential fatty acids are a big one. That's like, I think that's almost non-negotiable. I think you need essential fatty acids. I think you need fish oil as a giant supplement. I think it's so important. So important for your joints. It's important for your brain.

It's important for the development of uh healthy muscle so that fish oil makes a big difference to me and then also anti-inflammation stuff like curcumin i guess you say it that's what you say which is uh comes from turmeric that's a big one too yeah you know all these um natural anti-inflammatories that are not bad for you yeah i could see the gut flora problem with uh from ibuprofen it's a big deal stomach's always fucked up yeah man it's bad for you i've been taking ibuprofen about 600 milligrams twice a day for oh dude since i can remember you gotta stop can we get you to stop can i get you to stop all these things is it possible can i help you sure man make my body stop hurting if i can fucking do it well how Can I help you? Sure, man. Make my body stop hurting.

I'll fucking do it. Well, how much time do you have off now between fights? I probably got some time now. Probably three or four months, I think. So do you have anything scheduled? I think my next one's in September in Hungary, I think. Oh, okay. So they have something.

There's a Bellator event as well? Oh, so Bellator's going international. Yes, sir. How many international events have they had? I know they had a London one, right? They had a London one. Their first Bellator kickboxing event was in Italy. That was in Italy.

I watched it a couple months ago. Then they have Hungary, and then again December is Florence. Oh, nice. That's cool. Yeah, Glory had fights all over the world, but I was always like the American guy. So it was always like the LA card or the American card. Right. So it's really cool that Bellator is going to have me see in the world a little bit.

That's beautiful. You had like a falling out with Glory, huh? Yeah, we just went our separate ways. But you were saying that they were telling the commentators to talk shit about you? Is that a speculation or is that i don't i hmm can't talk about it i think i was asked nicely not to talk about them anymore what did you say you know i what did you think watching my fight with glory did you think the commentators were what was your opinion on well they see commentating is interesting because because being someone who's done it before, there are things that you see on television when you're watching it.

Honestly, the best view in the house is your house. That's the best view. When you're watching fights, because when you're watching kickboxing or whether you're watching MMA, when you're watching on television, you're seeing it like inside the cage and inside the ring. And you're seeing it from the right angle. Like there's a lot of times where I'm watching a fight. First of all, I have the best seat in the house.

You can't get any better. I'm touching the actual ground that the people are fighting on. It's in front of me. There's a table. And then right in front of that, I can reach up and I can touch the cage. Okay. So you can't get any closer. I miss a lot of shit.

And I miss it. Is there a screen for you to watch too? Just two screens. But I like to watch the fight. I want to watch the actual fight. And when the fight is playing in front of me, it's like I'm looking up and then I'm looking down at the screen. I'm looking up and then I'm looking down at the screen. And sometimes I have to do commentary when I'm down at the screen, but

I want to watch the actual action playing out. And when that is going on, sometimes you don't see everything. But I feel like there's some subtleties that you see when you're looking at a guy. There's some things that you see in movement where your brain... I got to think that all the years of watching martial arts and doing martial arts, my brain's chunked a bunch of information. And I see certain traits and I of information and I see certain traits

and I see trends and I see things and you see them when you're actually looking at the person's body better than you do if you're looking at a monitor a video representation of it but like there's sometimes the refs in the way and I don't see what's going on like the the refs here and they're right behind the ref and so I might miss something or their back is to me and they get hit with an uppercut and you don't see what they get hit with. There's a lot of times you miss a few things. So taking that into consideration, I know that these guys were sitting ringside and they're watching it through the ropes and they're seeing it live

and sometimes you don't catch anything. But I did think that the commentary was a little one-sided. And I did think that there was a lot of things that you were doing that they weren't either picking up on or they weren't giving you credit for and uh in all fairness you told me about that before I saw the fight you know and so I saw the fight and I was watching I was like wow that is this is um this is interesting way they're they're talking about this fight you're right like it was I mean you you put it in my head then I watched it but what I tried to be as objective as possible but yeah i didn't think they were giving you credit for a lot of the shit you were doing yeah i just thought that uh the way that i would if you

that is possible man no one's ever done that in the ufc no one's ever come up to me and said hey hype this guy up or hey talk shit about this guy it's never happened ever but that's the ufc i could definitely see it possibly happening in other organizations. Have you felt that? I just thought that the way that I was talked about in general had changed dramatically in the last couple fights. Well, that was what was weird. Ariel Hawane came up to me and said the same thing last time I saw him. I was like, well, they sure talked about you really different now.

Maybe Ariel had an inside mole. Maybe he had a mole inside fucking Gloria as well but you know it is what it is and you know Gloria

is doing a lot for the sport in this country and worldwide they certainly are I wish them the best yeah and I do too I'm a big fan

but you know they were doing weird shit like on your bio instead of all your accomplishments 95 professional fights all that

you know it was like kicked out of his house when he was 17 fucking loser you know uh forced to go to four different high schools everybody hated him his feet smell it was like a lot it was like it's like a rap sheet you know yeah they were definitely painting you out to be but that's also in their defense i mean they're trying to develop personalities for people to tune into. Here's this guy who comes out with fucking prison pants on with LA on him. It's I guess

Why develop or promote the fact that he was the first American to ever win a global combat tournament or a three time world champion or holds the record for the fastest knockout in combat sports Why promote promoting of those accomplishments no that's not important I want to know how many times you kicked out of school yeah you know how old you were when your mom kicked you out of

that family home and yeah yeah that's what I want to hear about odd jobs that you worked on your tough main contests well in Bellator's not defense but in in into their credit they did a great job with that piece they did on you. Yeah, I was really proud of that. It was cool to, you know, when you're in it, you don't realize what you've actually done. But what I think I've been a part of with Can't Stop Crazy for the sport and the growth of the sport here in this country from lion fight to glory to now bellator kickboxing and being where i am um the weight is on my shoulders so to speak with uh pushing this new brand and showing high-level kickboxing into the world putting on exciting fights is uh you know it's proud which is why we got to get you off the fucking ibuprofen get you

off the cigarettes trust me the cigarettes yeah the ibuprofen is like a necessity no no no no you think it's a necessity you think it's a necessity i'm telling you i think that there's a real possibility that the inflammation that's being caused by taking this stuff and fucking with your gut flora is actually making your joints hurt even more than they would have normally i think it's very possible possible. I think, do you have the Onnit Total Gut Health? Are you taking that yet? I don't know. Probiotics, it's a new.

I think I have the krill oil, if that's what I mean. That's different. That's good too. That's essential fatty acids. Essentially, it's a more potent form of fish oil or a more bioavailable, a really good bioavailable form, I should say, because even regular fish oil or a more bioavailable, a really good bioavailable form, I should say, because even regular fish oil is excellent. But this total gut health is different probiotics

and enzymes that is really good for digesting food, the enzymes, and also absorbing nutrients through your food with the enzymes. But the probiotic aspect of it is very important. I've been big on probiotics lately. I eat a lot of kimchi. Do you like that stuff? Like spicy Korean cabbage? I love that shit. I eat a lot of that. I eat a lot of raw sauerkraut.

I've been eating a lot of that. I drink a lot of kombucha. That's good, too. That's real good. Yeah. I love that stuff. I love that GT's kombucha, the stuff that you have to have an ID to buy. All right.

Yeah. We have that shit here, Jamie? We have some? Bust out two bottles from me and Joe Schilling, would you? But this stuff is more than one half of 1% alcohol, so you have to have a license, a driver's license. It has to show you're 21 to drink kombucha. Which is ridiculous.

Stupid. And I also buy this stuff at Air One. You take a shot of it every day it's like super fucking fermented cabbage with cayenne pepper in it it's like he'd take it's like but it's super good how is it joe and um kefir i've been drinking a lot of kefir i drink a big glass of that a day for yeah goat's milk. Goat's milk. I take goat's milk kefir, which is like a super powerful form of like acidophilus, like cultures.

But what I've found over the last year, year and a half, from, oh yeah, look at that, Joe. It's like we're drinking beers here. This is my favorite flavor. This is gingerade.

Is that what it is? That's what it's called? Yeah, gingerade. Is that what it is? That's what it's called? Yeah, gingerade. Gingerade. Yeah. Organic raw GT's classic. You got to get the classic. Because the classic has the black label.

The black label is to let you know it's fucking dangerous. It's one half of 1% alcohol. Watch out now. Cheers. Cheers, buddy. I love this stuff. But anyway, gut health, probiotics, it's everything, man. So important.

So important for your immune system. So important for everything. It's even your mood. They think your personality is partially shaped by your gut flora. I love that new mood. That's great, too. I take that stuff a lot. Yeah.

And just 5-HTP, folks. I mean, that's what Mood. That's great too. I take that stuff a lot. Yeah. And, you know, just 5-HTP folks. I mean, that's what it is. 5-HTP, but you know, New Mood has L-tryptophan also, which converts to 5-HTP, which converts to serotonin. So you get sort of a time release method, a time release effect, but all that stuff is very good for your brain. They're all the building blocks for human neurotransmitters. That's what alpha brain is. That's what new mood is. But new mood specifically is the building blocks for serotonin. All that stuff's legit. They even tell people that are on SSRIs to not take 5-HTP. What's SSRI?

Serotonin uptake re-inhibitors, antidepressants. Wow. You know, things like- Tell them not to take 5-HTP? Tell them not to take it because then you can get what's called serotonin syndrome, where your body has too much serotonin in it. Sort of like when guys are on steroids and they get bitch tits. Right.

Same thing. It's like your body's like, what is all this fucking serotonin doing in here? It creates an imbalance. They just don't work with each other well. here it's in it creates an imbalance they just they just don't work with each other well uh neil brennan a friend of mine who's a comic was the first guy that i ever met that was on 5htp and then when he got on ssris they told him to get off the 5htp like you're taking there's too much going on here oh so the antidepressants that's what they do is they create serotonin. I do. Well, it helps it. It helps your body establish a better mood. And I don't know exactly what the, it's been described to me, but I can't really recite

it off memory. But serotonin obviously is a big factor in the way you feel. Oh yeah. Yeah. And taking things like new mood, you know, especially like athletes like you, fighters, you're constantly draining yourself. I mean, you are just, I mean, I've seen your workouts, dude. You just fucking empty it all out and your body's just like done.

And then you have to re-gear up. So your body has to produce everything again. Your endocrine system is taxed. Everything is taxed. And you have to get all the right food in it. That's why fucking with any of that, like taking the ibuprofen, fucking cigarettes, shitty food, all that stuff is like, it's a massive effect on someone who does something that you do. You need every edge you can get, man. You know, you're in the craziest business that you can be when it comes to professional athletics.

You're in the combat sports business. business that you can be when it comes to professional athletics you're in the combat sports business you're in the business and arguably the craziest of the combat sports because it's all just throwing bones man there's no wrestling there's no take there's no fucking laying prey there's no humping someone on the ground and holding them down and nooging them in the head you can't do any of that you got to throw bones you know that's a it's a wild way to make a living you need all the advantages, all of them. I know you were working with Nick Curzon for a while. Yeah.

Are you going to do that again? I didn't work with him this last. He was, like, with Provanikov, and he was just really busy. And, you know, lately I've been, you know, four-week notice, my camps have been really short for both my last two fights. So I just hadn't had a chance to work with him. I worked with him, like, I think two or three times for this last fight. But, yeah, the guy's amazing.

I can't say enough good things about him. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. Fucking awesome. Fucking awesome. He knows so much, too. Just so different, you know? Like, when I used to train and do, like, strength conditioning and working him out and that stuff, it was, like, about how hard you worked.

And every day it was, you know. I've never had session with with nick where i left and i was like oh fuck like they were always hard and difficult but like i never they were never like breaking me down you know right the results and the level of the increase every week was like really really noticeable and impressive yeah that's the intelligent approach and that's the approach that a lot of trainers are using now, is they're giving you enough work so that your body improves and recovers, but not so much that your body can't improve. So this old, stupid idea that a lot of us have, and I used to have, you gotta work,

get out of there like you fucking, you can barely walk, you gotta leave it all in the gym. But that's not, that doesn't give you a chance to recover right and then like rest days like uh you know not i used to just crush myself on monday and then the rest of the week i'd be dragging ass trying to make it by friday rolled around well it's like now your last three workouts of the week weren't that productive you know what i mean yeah well i've been really into that a lot lately because I started listening to Pavel Tatsulin. He's the guy that brought kettlebells to America.

He's this badass Russian dude. And he has some really interesting ideas about strength and conditioning. And one of the things that he said that I think is most important is that the way you're training, especially training with kettlebells in particular what you what you're trying to do is you're trying to give your body work so that your body feels like like it can it can recover and you slowly build upon these things and think of them as a skill like he's like strength is a skill and you're not trying to leave yourself completely exhausted and blown out and all your joints are fried and all your muscles are just rubber.

You're trying to what he calls grease the groove, which means slowly build this up and do it instead of sets of 25 reps, CrossFit style. He's like, everything more than five reps is bullshit.. He's like everything more than five reps is bullshit He's like everything more than five reps is bodybuilding. He's like you should be doing like Heavyweight five reps and if you can do ten reps do five like you don't need to do you don't need to work to failure He doesn't believe in working to failure. I'm doing a bad job of explaining his philosophies, but Tim Ferriss had two podcasts with him where you can listen to it.

I'll send them to you. They're excellent. I think that's kind of similar to the way Nick, at least the way that I see Nick's training. It's like trying to send a neurological signal to my body to grow or to change or to move. I don't need to destroy it to do that. I don't need to break down my muscle and it has to rebuild itself.

It's like altitude training. When you go to high altitude, your body picks up a signal that there's not enough oxygen in this air. I need to make more red blood cells. So your body sends a neurological signal to create more red blood cells from your blood marrow or whatever. So your body's like a computer and you're just trying to get, okay, I want to be a little faster. I want to be a little whatever. And I'm doing enough work to send that signal to make my body adapt. You know what I mean?

As opposed to, I want to be faster, so I'm going to just destroy my legs until I can't walk for a week. And then it's going to build back faster. I mean, that does work. It does, obviously. But it doesn't work good. It doesn't work the right way. The right way to do it really is to, like, and I've been getting great results with Pavel's methods. The right way to do it really is to like, and I've been getting great results with Pavel's methods with doing lighter or not lighter weights, but lower reps, lower reps.

And like if I could do eight or nine reps, I do five. I do five and I end it there. And like when I'm done, I feel good. Like I'm done with my workout. I know I put in, you know, 45 minutes or more of hard work, but I don't feel like broken down. Whereas before, when I was like sort of structuring it off of my own ideas, I would just have these fucking brutal workouts where I just, everything was to failure. Everything was, and then when it was over, I just felt like a zombie for the rest of the day. Yeah. And then now you're serotonin levels by the time you're three days in, I'm like, fuck,

I need some new mood because I don't feel like I want to do this shit anymore and you're not going to perform as well and you're not going to, you know. Caffeine. It's all a big thing, yeah. I was chugging 20 ounce Starbucks like they were nothing.

I'd go to sleep. I could take a 20 ounce Starbucks and... It doesn't work anymore. It doesn't do anything. It doesn't fucking work. Yeah, you can get to the point where your body is just,

it doesn't matter Stimulants whatever you just you just toast Yeah, it's it's there's a lot of science to Athletics to sports training with athletes today that just didn't exist 10 20 years ago and take advantage of that meat water Right here to drink lots of water eat lots of red meat. No, sir. That was your those your supplement base, you know Yeah, nobody knew shit. I mean meat and water right you had to drink lots of water eat lots of red meat and that was your that was your that was your supplement base you know yeah nobody knew shit i mean meat and iron well yeah nobody knew anything about like what's what's the proper way to to eat when should you eat five times a day should you there was this warrior diet craze where people were like you only eat one meal a day because that's what a warrior did they would only eat once a day like

um you're not a warrior you're not a viking, you're not a warrior. You're not a Viking. Like, you're not a fucking barbarian. Like, look, you got a refrigerator. It's right there. Have something to eat, you fuck. Like, what are you... It's weird because it's... You fucking, what is it, cuck?

You fucking cuck. You goddamn cucker. You eat a fucking steak, you cuck. We need to come up with our own insult. Come up with a name that you can call certain types of people. We'll work on that. That's for another time. We need to come up with our own insult. Come up with a name that you can call certain types of people. We'll work on that. That's for another time.

But it's interesting that nutritional advice that people would give you just 10 years ago isn't valid anymore. Oh, yeah. The ideas of absorption of certain fats and essential fatty acids that they had, especially plant-based stuff just a few years ago, they're realizing, yeah, this stuff exists in these plant forms, but it's not as bioavailable as it is in in animal forms and this is like really recent stuff like the food pyramid shit yeah like that's like it's just i was talking about that margarine and then butter yeah i can't believe it's not butter but now it's not about you know it's margarine's fucking terrible for you it's plastic it's one molecule away from plastic That's what they were telling people to do You know

The food pyramid said that you should have like 300 grams of carbohydrates a day Yeah you're supposed to eat bread and pasta Now they're saying no no no no I was reading And then like You get Ugh

This is so stupid Cancer like oh Have you cut out all of the shit That they've been telling you Since you're a child Yeah That you're supposed to have Which the food pyramid was based around The economy they want they need people to buy to buy the

fucking oats and grains that we grow here you know what i mean yeah there's a lot of that i mean there's certainly um 300 must have some this must have some influence especially with corn subsidies and all that jazz man did you ever see that movie King Corn? No. Dude, watch that documentary. It's crazy. Yeah. It's about how much corn we eat and how corn is subsidized, how they pay people to grow corn. Like, the government pays farmers to grow corn. If the government didn't subsidize corn production in this company, corn agriculture, like, would fucking collapse.

Like, there's so many of these people that are reliant, these agricultural farms that are growing corn, reliant on government subsidies in order to stay afloat. It's weird. And corn's in everything. Corn. I was having beef jerky the other day, and my wife was reading the ingredients. She goes, you know this has corn in it?

I went, what? Corn syrup is, like, fucking everything, right? Corn protein. Corn protein in fucking beef jerky He's fucking corn head. That's a new one corn Corn heads or head fucking no, it's not gonna work But corn protein and beef jerky isn't beef the protein that you think would be in the yeah Sure, you well must have something to do with the flavoring or something to do with the sauce that they marinate them in teriyaki

or whatever the fuck they do when they make it. But there was corn protein in beef jerky. How about just beef jerky? I've seen it all now, Joe. I have seen it all, too. So what's the plan now? When you come off of a fight like that, what do you do? Just chillax for a little bit?

Yeah, I had two back-to-back fights anyway, and I'm looking forward to having a little time off, relaxing a little bit, getting my mind wrapped around what happened, why it happened, where I go from here. Do you move around your training camps at all? Do you bring in new trainers? Do you ever go to places and spend a little bit of time working with someone different? No, I'm sure I'll be up in Stockton a lot, hoping Nate get ready for his fight with Connor now. And then, you know, it's always good to work with those guys. I want to get some boxing rounds in with Richard Perez while I'm up there.

Nice. Not a lot, you know. I try to, you know, I think my team is really solid, and I think that's where I need to be. I was at American Top Team before when Saki Koth knocked me out the first time. I was at American Top Team working on my wrestling and stuff, and it was a cool experience. I don't think it was the best experience for me, just being away from my sports system and my coaches and my team. I don't think that was a mistake to jump ship, so to speak,

and go train someplace else. Yeah, it seems to me that there's a lot of comforts of home that help relax you. And just being in the same environment all the time is probably real good for you in terms of your comfort level, recovery, and being in your own home. Yeah, and I think just your coaches and being with somebody that's trained you for 10 years and he knows what you're thinking, you know what he thinks. He knows how you are, what you need to hear, how hard to work you, things like that. Right. Kn for 10 years and he knows what you're thinking You know what he thinks he knows how you are what you need to hear how hard to work you things like that Yeah, right knows when you're tired when you're off. They have a good understanding of you Yeah, and I think I like the fact that you've gone away from the MMA and decided to go straight back to kickboxing Cuz you know what 32 now? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just like it's not you're so good at kickboxing

It's such a you know, it's such an emerging sport too. And with this opportunity with Bellator too, I think it's a really good idea. Because like learning all the wrestling and learning all the fucking submissions and takedown defense and all that stuff. Just, it's a whole nother experience, a whole nother like journey to get on. Yeah. It's, I think it's too late for that. It'd be like if I went into a boxing career now you know what i mean right you just you can you can throw and you can take some shots but like you don't have 150 amateur boxing fights you know what i mean right you're

not going to catch up right and your body's programmed to do certain things already like your body's programmed for certain distances like you brought bodies like kick them oh you can't kick them that's what my problem was with mma was that my my body has been programmed that when we're Your body's programmed for certain distances. Your body's like, kick him. Oh, you can't kick him. That's one of my problems with MMA was that my body has been programmed that when we get close and we're in a clinch, so to speak, I pull you into the clinch. I get to that. When I do that in MMA, I pull you right in and I get taken down. It's so hard for me to think to push away, to stop this because everything i've done for the last 17 years of my life has been like yeah yeah no have you worked with what is your trainer's name

again the japanese dude mark kimura he seems like a really interesting guy he's a real cool dude and you've been with him for a long time huh yeah like uh 10 years 11 years. What's his background? He's done almost every martial art, I think. And he kind of like, oh, he did Aikido for a while. And the guy was like, you know, you have to come at me like this. He's like, oh, what if I do this? Like, no, no, no, it has to be like that. He's like, oh, fuck this bullshit. But he did boxing and kickboxing.

He was one of the first promoters here in California for Muay Thai when they used to have the old shows at Hollywood Park, those promotions. I'd like to meet that guy. He seems like a very wise guy, very knowledgeable guy. He's a real good dude. Real good dude. But have you had much experience besides American Top Team working with different kickboxing trainers? Or is there anybody that you would really enjoy working with?

No, I haven't had a lot of experience outside of working with ATT. And even ATT was mostly I just worked in my wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling. I haven't worked with a whole lot of other kickboxing trainers. Do you think there's benefit in that in trying out, you know,

just having some sessions with some different people just to see if you can pick up a few things? Oh, absolutely. You know, like a Rob Kamen or something like that? Yeah, I know Rob Kamen. He's a buddy of mine, but we haven't worked together yet. God, you got few things? Oh, absolutely. You know, like a Rob Kamen or something like that? Yeah. I know Rob Kamen.

He's a buddy of mine, but we haven't worked together yet. God, you've got to work with him, man. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, Anthony Hardonk's around here, too. You ever train with him? Mm-mm.

I'll set it up. Yeah. Smart guy. He's another guy I think could probably help you. He knows a lot of shit. I just think, you know, for a guy like you at your level, like any little variables that you could pick up from any of these guys is probably a good thing. There's just so much good knowledge.

And Southern California, in particular, is such an amazing place for just all martial arts. I mean, as far as the United States, this is one of the meccas. Henry Hoof. Yeah. I love to work with him. Oh, fuck yeah. We always see each other at the fights. We know each other well. Great guy. I Yeah. I love to work with him. Oh, fuck yeah. We always see each other at the fights. We know each other well.

Great guy. I never had an opportunity to work with him. He's done wonders. He's out here a lot, actually. I think he's been in Northern California quite a bit. Is he? He was at AKA for a while, I think. What's he doing up there?

I'm not sure. I think that he was working with Luke for the last fight, and I think that he might be moving out this way. Oh, really? From what I heard, yeah. Interesting. I don't know how long that black cilians is doing yeah isn't there like something going under yeah call a business or something didn't the owner just declare bankruptcy or something along those lines i think that's what that's not good i don't know yeah does he own that owner owned jocko yeah two at one point yeah i think i don't know i don't know. Yeah. Does he own that owner-owned Jocko? Yeah. League 2 at one point?

Yeah. I think. I don't know. I don't know enough about this to probably talk about it. I don't either. I don't know. I mean, I know Dan Lambert very well, the guy who owns American Top Team, and that's as legit as it gets. He's the best.

Such a great dude. I love that guy. Treated me like a superstar when I was there. Dan Lambert is awesome. No, he is a fucking amazing dude and so important for the growth and development of MMA. I mean, what he's done with American Top Team and putting together this world-class facility. By the way, spending millions of dollars to do it. Just throwing money at that and having guys take advantage of that.

And he had guys rip him off. He had a lot of really shitty things happen. And then when the Blackzilians came around, a lot of guys bailed. Because that guy paid them. He paid people. Like, come on over to me. I'll give you money. And he just sort of poached a bunch of people, allegedly, according to Dan.

Yeah, that was the story. That was the story. So who knows? Who knows what the fuck happened? But at the end of the day a guy like dan lambert super important you need like these like wealthy benefactors who take these chances and put together these facilities but in my opinion no one's done it like dan has they just built a new facility out there i saw him and saw some pictures online looks crazy it's crazy it's got apartments

yeah a huge warehouse building going on now there's a lot of people are building like uh dorms yeah their camps now. Yeah. Which makes a lot of sense because so many guys are bouncing around. Sure. They come from out of town to go train. Greg Jackson's building one like that. Yeah, Greg Jackson.

Cowboy said he has a bad motherfucker ranch. I'm going to get out there pretty soon. Yeah, BMF Ranch. Cowboy. How good did Cowboy look against Cote? Holy shit. I was fucking screaming at the TV. He looked fucking awesome.

Sensational. At 170, he looks goddamn sensational. It's like everything came together at 170. And Cote is a beast, man. Nobody's ever worked Cote over the way Cowboy did. And Cote has fought at like 205 before, too, right? His first fight, he was saying that at 170, the guy was also like a 155er coming up, but it was like a new weight, right? Was his first, oh, Cowboy's first fight?

Yeah. But it was a big dude. That was that other Cowboy dude. Yeah. But that guy's big. He's a big fella. He was bigger than Cowboy, but Cowboy caught him in the triangle. But he just looked great.

But like Kofi fought at like 185. He started, his first fight was at 205. He dropped Tito Ortiz. This was way him in the triangle. But he just looked great. But Kofi fought at 185. His first fight was at 205. He dropped Tito Ortiz. This was way back in the day. When Tito was a light heavyweight champ, I believe. And I think Tito was either a champ or in the... I mean, Tito was in his prime. And he lost to Tito at light heavyweight

and then went down to 185, fought Anderson Silva. He was doing a very smart fight. He fought a very smart fight against Anderson where he was making Anderson lead, and Anderson's really a counter guy, and he was just sort of laying back, and Anderson didn't like it. Anderson does not like it.

Is that when he had a weird knee popped or something? Yeah, his knee blew out. Yeah, he lifted his leg up to throw a kick, and his knee just buckled and caved in on him. That shit happens sometimes. Oh, yeah. Weird freak shit like that happens a lot in the sport well sure and there's also like injuries you get in like the second and third round that you don't even know what you felt your knee pop you're not exactly sure what it is and you're still standing on and everything seems fine and then you throw a kick and it just gives out there's that you know but

the point is cote is a stud he's a tough fucking guy and to have Cowboy work him like that I was like woo he looks like a ninja Cowboy looked

fucking awesome he looked like Terminator that night he looked fucking awesome looked like a world legit world champion yeah yeah I hope he can

keep that together I really do I think 170 I think these guys that are fucking depleting themselves so badly to cut weight I think that's gonna be a thing of the together i really do i think 170 i think these guys that are fucking depleting themselves so badly to cut weight i think that's going to be a thing of the past i really do i think people are going to realize like this is not the benefit that you get in that is it's

negligible cowboys weigh in like 176 somewhere around that and he's cutting just a little bit of weight and making 170 easy yeah i think he was like four or five pounds off when he came. He was here. We sparred a couple weeks before the fight. It was like 14 days out, and he was like five pounds. We were out to eat. We were eating whatever we want. That's nice.

We didn't give a shit. Drinking beer. He's so fucking ridiculous with that. He drinks beer up until the day the weigh-in's. Yeah. That can't be good, right? Nah. Why? Well, a little bit of the weigh-ins. Yeah. That can't be good. Right? Nah. Why? Well, a little bit of beer is probably okay. Well,

Boss Rootin said that. He said he used to drink beer. He said, I drink beer every night. I drink a little bit of beer. I don't get fucking drunk. Yeah. I'm with him. You drink a little beer when you're in camp? Yeah. I drink a little beer when I'm in camp. After the weigh-in. Not immediately after the weigh-in, but when I'm all fed and rehyd in camp? Yeah, I drink a little beer when I'm in camp. After the weigh-in.

Not immediately after the weigh-in, but when I'm all fed and rehydrated and feeling good, I'll have a beer. It's part of my process. Yeah. I like to be relaxed, you know? I want to not relax like, oh, I'm going to get doing shots, you know what I mean? The cowboy and I were talking about that, too. It's like they have made fight week so stressful now for everyone and then you get so mentally just stressed out and you can't do this and you can't do that and you got to do these interviews and like fight week used to be our whole camp you know when i first started it was you want to fight on

saturday and it's like monday like okay i'm training all week and you fought on saturday you know and uh you know i think that uh what's so stressful about it? The interviews, the press, the interviews, the, the, the, if you know, I try not to think about the fight,

you know, Cowboys, same way we get a little, get along well with this stuff. Like, um, if you sat at home and didn't eat, you know,

and you're already dieting, you sat at home, the only thing that you can think of is on Saturday night, this guy's going to try and kill me and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, it eats you up and they stresses you the fuck out right you know what I mean as opposed to like

going and seeing a movie and relaxing and right you know and when when the thoughts of the fight come up in your head you purposely ignore them push them aside yeah if they're not helpful you know what I mean yeah I can't change you know what I mean I don't I don't overanalyze you know right to watch my fight my opponents a million times you know before I mean? And I'll overanalyze, you know? Right. I used to watch my fight, my opponents a million times, you know, before I fought. And now it's like I'll watch them fight maybe once or twice to see if there's anything that jumps out at me that look like he does this sometimes. But other than that, try not to overanalyze it and make it in there and just do it. No, that's a smart way to do it. It's like you're doing all the work anyway.

You're doing all the work in the gym. You're prepared. Like the mind just needs time off too. too, just like the body does, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And is a cowboy drinking a beer a week going to change what his body, what he's done to train for the last 12 years of his life?

He's not going to perform because he had that beer. I don't think so. I think being relaxed and being confident and comfortable and then getting in there and handling business that night. People are like, what the fuck is that sound? I don't like that. That's the people saying, what the fuck is going on here, man? You did some work with Vinny Shorman, who I've had on the podcast.

Great guy. And before that, Vinny's a, he calls himself a mental coach. He does hypnosis, but he calls himself a mental coach. And before that, I was like, all right, what's the deal with this hypnotism? Is this shit legit? And then he put me under. I had him do it. I was like, oh, I woke up, my pants were gone.

You've got to have him do timeline therapy on you. What is that? Timeline therapy is like, it's like a hypnosis state, but you're basically, you know know like a timeline in a book there's like jesus born fucking whatever world war one world war two and you kind of like did you did you feel like you floated out at all when you're under or no didn't feel like i floated but i i felt like i went inward more okay like i was i felt like it almost felt like i was on a drug. So this one, when you do it,

you almost, like you pull back, like you pull back and you'll come up and you'll be out of, this probably sounds so weird to people that don't get it, but fuck them.

You go, you're like straight up like into the sky, right? So you're like almost, it feels like you're floating to me. Right. Like I know what it feels like

to fly based off of that. And you go up, up, up, up, up, and you're looking at your life on like a timeline and it'll be like, think based off of that. And you go up, up, up, up, up, and you're looking at your life on a timeline.

And it'll be like, think about a time when you're as far back as you can possibly remember, and you will tap into some shit from your childhood that you didn't even know that you even remembered. You know what I mean? Yeah. And some really far out stuff. And it'll change a lot of things. If you think about it, everything that's ever happened to your whole life everything you've ever seen thought heard is where did that information go

like it didn't fall out of your head right it's there you just can't access it anymore you have a hard time accessing it and with these hypnosis things you have the opportunity to still tap into that or get better at tapping into that accessing that information hmm so what did you get out of it? Uh, I remember I said, I forgive my dad. Yeah.

Before you're done. Um, I hated my dad's guts, like hated him. Uh, my dad had some really shitty things to me when, uh, and I hated him.

I hated him. And, uh, Vinny, um, one day when he's like, I want to try this time on time on therapy on you. If you want, if you're into it, I'm like, yeah. And he's like, what is to try this time on therapy on you if you're into it. I'm like, yeah.

He's like, what is he going to do? He's like, I don't know. We're just going to see if you like this thing. I had no clue what it was going to do. And it had me think of all these times in my life and when I felt really proud, when I felt really afraid, when I felt really scared, when I felt really strong, when I felt really all these emotions. And it was about 45 minutes. And every single one of the emotions was some other time with my dad and it was weird and uh when we got done with the session like i couldn't

even tap into that hatred that i had for my dad anymore and i fucking hated him when i finally had cancer i was like i don't give a shit fuck him you know and uh after that session like i i didn't have that anger anymore and I couldn't even find it, you know? And I used to be able to like look in the mirror and think about my dad in my eyes. We were ready to be so fucking mad. You know, I used to fight when I was, uh, I used to do a lot of things that were based off of like shoving up my dad's ass. Like I'm going to show him and not necessarily fighting that person, like not pretending it's my dad, but it was more like, I'm going to, you know, I had a lot of motivation from my dad and, uh, yeah, when,

when the session was over, I had, I couldn't even tap into that. I was able to go and I decided to go and start a new relationship with my dad. And it wasn't like, I forgive you, but say you're sorry. And I'm, you know, I'm still, it was like, I just didn't give a fuck anymore. That like it wasn't worth it. And, um, people that really knew me really well could just see me differently like there was like this chip that i carried around on my shoulder that wasn't there anymore wow it was nuts it was nuts that's that's an interesting thing um the idea of

timeline therapy the idea of thinking about your life and being able to separate yourself like who you are right now and go back and look at all these moments in your life and what they meant to you and how you're carrying that around today. That would be very valuable to people. He does all kinds of stuff. If you have a phobia, if you're afraid of fucking spiders or whatever, he can do shit with you and get rid of that.

Really? Phobia, yeah. He'll hypnotize you. I don't know how he does it. I'll have to ask him. But he can hypnotize you and have you get rid of that phobia, like where you are not afraid of those things anymore. Yeah, I wish I had a recording of what he was doing,

like what he said and the way he said it. He's coming back over in a couple weeks. Yeah, he just sent me an email. I've got to get back to him. He's got a podcast he's doing. It's called The Mind Diet. Oh, really? Yeah. He's great. I'm a big fan of Vinny's, just as a email. I've got to get back to him. He's got a podcast he's doing. It's called The Mind Diet. Oh, really? Yeah.

He's great. I'm a big fan of Vinny's, just as a person. I really enjoy him. And he's a very good Muay Thai commentator, too. Yeah, he really knows his shit. What does he do? He was doing It's Glory, right? No, Infusion.

Oh, okay. But what was he doing? Did he do It's Showtime? Yeah, he was doing It's Showtime. That's right, It's Showtime. Infusion, he did K1 back in the day. Did I say It's Glory? Yeah, It's Glory. he do It's Showtime? Yeah, it was It's Showtime. That's right, It's Showtime. And Fusion did K1 back in the day. Did I say It's Glory? Yeah, It's Glory.

And It's Showtime. Well, It's Showtime, they got bought out. Well, It's Showtime ended up being Glory anyway, so. Yeah. Why, how the fuck did kickboxing become so goddamn big in Europe? I mean, it's so huge in other parts of the world. Yeah. Especially Holland.

They just, they got, they had the right people promoting it and k1 with most of those guys work from most of the management guys for k1 were Dutch and their fighters were Dutch and then I Don't know where when the US was blowing up with MMA. MMA, they were still on the kickboxing train. Yeah. That's why we got held back, I think. Well, it's amazing when you look at- Fucking cage fighters ruined it for us. God damn it.

We're coming back, though. If you look at all the different people that are super high-level kickboxers that came from this one really small country. I mean, Holland is not very big at all. But you've got Rob Kamen. You've got Ernesto Hoost. I mean, it is just like this incredible hotbed of super high-level kickboxing talent. I mean, Ramon Deckers. I mean, you can go on and on and on.

You can keep going about all the high-level talent that came out of Holland. And to this day, you know, Badr Hari. It's like five gyms. Yeah. Maybe not even five. It was like three or four major gyms, and they just all competed all the time. And it was, it blew up, yeah. What's going on with that Badr Hari, dude?

I don't know. I don't know. That guy's always breaking people's legs in nightclubs and knocking people out. He's fucking crazy. He's an angry motherfucker. He's angry as fuck. Why is he so angry? I don't know.

I never met the guy. I hope to meet him someday. people out he's fucking crazy motherfucker he's angry as fuck why is he so angry i don't know i never met the guy i would i would to meet him someday you know that's uh it's one of the few people left on my bucket list the people i haven't met is butter hurry i would be a super fan boy if i met butter yeah you took a photo with somebody and you were saying it was on your instagram we're saying there's only one more left yeah who was that was chuckled oh i saw him at a club here in hollywood not long ago and i was like like, when I left, I met Mike Tyson. I met Chuck Liddell. There's been a lot of people that I've had the honor of meeting, and yeah.

Chuck Liddell was a big one, and I was like, I don't want to be a fanboy, but I really want to meet him. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Yeah, it is hard not to be a fanboy. That was like my hero when I was a kid. Is Badr Hari in jail? What is he doing now? I think they're talking about getting him in glory, I think.

They were trying to. But I don't know. He's so goddamn crazy. Yeah. Like there's a video of him. Some guy was working at the front desk of a hotel. And I don't know what the fuck he said, but Badr didn't like it. So he went behind the counter and smacked him in his head. It was security camera footage.

Yeah, I hope the guy said something. And it's not that Badr Hari is just a bully. Because a lot of these guys are fucking bullies. up behind the counter and smacked him in his head really it was security camera footage yeah i hope the guy said something and and it's not that butter hurry is just a bully because a lot of these guys are fucking bullies you know yeah i hope so too i mean it's laughing you know and walks up yeah verhoeven on butter hire super fight rumors are true oh shit yeah that's that's a bad motherfucker rico verhoeven is a bad motherfucker. I'm very impressed with that guy. You want to talk about a big, athletic heavyweight with sick endurance and just world-class kickboxing skill. And fucking big.

That dude is enormous. Yeah, he's huge. I'm not a small guy. That guy is fucking huge. Yeah, he's huge. He's just a giant, giant man. He's a giant man. Giant and really good endurance for a big guy. He pushes a great pace.

Really good boxing. He was part of Tyson Fury's camp for Klitschko or something. Was he really? Yeah. Isn't that interesting? There's a gypsy world heavyweight champion. A lot of those guys are gypsies. I don't know.

Gypsy, is that a bad word? Or traveler, I guess, is the better one. Traveler, that's what they like to call it. Pikey. Pikey. It's all the what they like to call it? Pikey. Pikey. It's all the same. Is gypsy bad? Pikey's bad.

I think pikey is not. It's a derogatory term. Sorry, folks. Sorry. Fucking language police. I think travelers. I think travelers. Well, Eskimo's a tricky one.

Because in some places, Eskimo is an insult. But in Alaska, they don't have a problem with Eskimo. The people that live in certain parts of Alaska, apparently, that's what they call them, so they like it. It's not an issue. Depends. It's totally geographical.

Who else would be an Eskimo outside of Alaska? Inuits. Inuits, they live in different parts of the world. Canada. I think in Canada, Eskimo may be an insult. Because they're not from Alaska? I just think they're the same people, but they just prefer a different name, maybe.

Well, like, the people in Canada, they call themselves, the natives call themselves First Nations. Yeah, you can't call them Indians. They're not Indians. So it's like it's essentially the same kind of people. They're just in a different spot. It's all fucking weird, man. It's all weird.

But, yeah, you got to be careful. Travelers. Call them a traveler. Traveler, I think, is the right way to go. He's a funny guy, though. He fucked with Vladimir Klitschko's head. He really fucked with his head. He's a funny motherfucker.

He's funny. Very funny. So hilarious. He's a terrible singer, though. Tell him to stop singing. Yeah. But they're having this heavyweight title. But Nikki Holston's family is traveling.

Are they really? Mm-hmm. That makes sense. And who else? Albert Krauss. He's another one? Mm-hmm. Really?

Mm-hmm. Wow. Tough fuckers. But makes sense. Yeah, Tyson Fury does interviews from inside his trailer. He's like a- Does he really? Yeah.

I just saw one the other day. He still has a trailer? Yeah. Still? Yeah. As a world champion? Yep. He's living in a trailer?

Yep. Whoa. Traveler. Hmm. He's proud of his traveler people. Do you think that he keeps a house too? I don't know. I have no idea.

Hmm. Yeah. I don't think being a traveler, from what I know about it, I don't really know. What the fuck do I know? But I don't think that it's about a money thing. Because I think a lot of those people have money and flashy stuff and whatever. It's just their way of life. Oh, really?

Yeah, to be able to pick up and go wherever you want. So they just don't want to have roots. They like to be able to just have what they call them caravans i saw that movie snatch yeah that's my favorite movie of all time favorite movie of all time i could fucking recite that entire movie there he is yeah tyson fury is a fucking enormous heavyweight boxer can't even stand up in his trailer he's too tall for his own trailer and that's where he actually lives hey I'll fight to carry Ketavan. Hey, fucking Ketavan. Hell yeah.

You like tags? That Brad Pitt movie. That was a good fucking movie, man. Such a good movie. I had no idea those people talked. It was just a strange accent before that movie. And then I got stuck watching these movies, or these videos on YouTube YouTube where these travelers are challenging each other yeah you ever watch those? Oh I fucking love it. Those are the best. Oh you fucking piece of shite. You piece of shite. You want the kids? Yeah. Oh the kids are so good.

Bong McGregor you fucking piece of shite. I'm gonna flog you. I'm gonna flog you good. Yeah but they have these fucking bare-knuckle fights, man. And then they have no rounds. They have some weird rules. And they're all fighting with their fucking jeans on. Yeah, they have their own court system. And if you have a dispute, that's something about a dispute.

And then you fight over it. And when it's settled, it's settled. And they'll have a full-on fucking fight. And that's the law. Like, okay, he won, he wins. Like he's,

you know what I mean? Yeah. It's crazy. Well, it's just interesting to watch it all play out on YouTube because you might have heard about all this stuff before you hear about it in stories and legends. But I think our age is the first age that's ever had a chance to watch these

guys challenge each other. I'm calling you out. Yeah. Fucking bag of shite. and there's a ton of them online they're really interesting to watch because you're getting a peek into like a very um a very sensitive culture sensitive in that like there's not they don't have there's not like a lot of history behind it in terms of, uh, you know, like, uh, documented culture and they could go away. Like that,

that's something that might not be here a hundred years from now. Like we might be watching a type of people or a group of people that are living a certain way that, you know, things might change in the next hundred years and they might integrate back into society. Like these fucking people, the whole world already knows that. And you've gone around the place, Barney they might integrate back into society. Like these fucking people.

The whole world already knows that. And you're going around the place telling people you're the king. You're not the burger king, Barney. How are you the king, for God's sake? You're never going to fight in your whole life. She's a cowly, good-for-nothing woman with four bellies and my mother challenged her. And we the boys are fighting that challenge. My mother challenged her.

There's one. A bitchy Jerry with a rat clunk. Look at this fucking guy. It's like two young kids and it is so fucking funny. Oh my God. I just think it's so interesting to see all this stuff on YouTube because we have like a View into this culture that just never you never would have gotten this before you would have heard

You know Patty O'Brien called out Mickey. Oh fuckface Yeah, they met in the swamps and duked it out But but seeing this and again, I mean, you know, I would like them to be able to keep their way of life and all that I'm not saying that they shouldn't be able to do this But I'm saying that it's possible that that might not be there in 50 years. These people, they don't really have a country. They don't have a city. So it's kind of delicate.

Their existence is fairly delicate. It's not like you're talking about people like, oh, these are guys that live in Detroit, and Detroit's always had this sort of gypsy community. No, they fucking travel around. And a lot of places we travel, people don't want them there. I have friends who are from London and they had a house that is in some suburb. I don't know what they call it in England. I don't think they call it a suburb in the country. They had this house and these travelers moved next to their house. There was like a lot next to their house. They

just set up shop party till fucking four o'clock in the morning, threw garbage in the street, and nobody could do shit. They're all scared to say anything. Everyone's scared to say anything, and you can't, like, there's no laws. Like, there's no law against what they're doing. Because there's like, you can't discriminate against these travelers. So it's this weird situation where people are trying to sell their houses nobody wants to buy it property values crash and these proper english people that i'm friends with we're trying to explain the terrors of these people moving next door and i'm chuckling oh your second house oh no what are you gonna do these people just move next door and they're fucking partying

what can you do though good challenge them if fucking win, you've got to move. Yeah, exactly. Party all the way, listen, you hear me? You fucking bag of shite. I'm going to kick you out of my... You threw your trash at my yard. My snooty neighborhood. Yeah, they just set up shop and started partying. And people are like, what in the fuck?

Can you imagine if you're like one of those pinkies out, teetotaler type English people who are super proper, and these motherfuckers move next door, started bloodying each other up, having bonfires. I don't know, man. Something about the way they live is fun. Yeah, I know. There's something about it. I'm glad they're around.

Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Let them be them. Let them live their lives. Sorry if they're in your house. I'm sorry too. I them be them let them live their lives I mean sorry sorry if you're they're in your house I'm sorry to your yard but yeah I'm sorry if they fucked up your

house yeah but but it's kind of fun they're around kind of awesome yeah I hope they I hope they win in the greater picture of civilization it's an interesting it's an interesting element and on that note I want to wrap this up? Sure. Anything else? Note to, not the haters, but note to all the nice people out there,

shout outs to all the fans. Oh, shout outs to all the fans. You know, never a boring fight. You know, I'll be back and I'll come back from this like I always have

and you're never going to turn off Joe Schilling fight. You got a great fucking attitude, dude. You had a great attitude even through losses, and I think people do appreciate that. I think people definitely appreciate the fact that you fight the way you do. I got to tell you about this machine, though.

It's called a Frogger. Have you heard of this? A Frogger? It's called a Frogger. It's this machine they sent to my gym. It's on wheels. It's like a full-body movement. It's designed for the marketing. It's on wheels. It's like a full body movement. It's designed for

the marketing of football players. Can you look it up? I don't know how to explain this shit. What do you do with it? You're on wheels and you can do it in place or you can actually race people in it.

I'm telling you. You gotta find it. You race people in it? You can race in it and it's a uh i'm telling you it's like uh you gotta find it you race people you can race in it i fucking should have done can you find it jamie nope do you know the company that makes it i do we're gonna get this information i'm really blowing this whole fuck it's on wheels i feel like i'm playing charades it It's a frog, but it's not. It's a frogger. Football players use it. Okay, I'm looking at this thing.

Oh, this is crazy. There's like wheels for your feet. It's like doing a burpee. It's like doing a burpee. Where can Jamie find this? Where can Jamie find this? ever where can jamie find this what is uh the name of the link or what is the name of that thing it's what i'm looking at folks it's like sort of like a super advanced version of an ab wheel but you have one on your feet and

one on your hands and you're pushing forward with the one on your hands where it's like uh almost like a cart and then you're pulling the ab wheel that's connected to your feet forward and pushing frog fitness i just pulled it up because you kind of look like a frog while you're doing it here it is frog fitness fill out one of our forms or click here to head to our new website so they sent me two of these to the gym for me to try out and i was like oh it looks like fun this is like you know you do like a burpee and it's like almost immediate exhaustion like that yeah that thing is one of the hardest workouts i've ever had and they're marketing it for like a lot of the nfl training camps are getting it because it's like the same position for right for football but it's a it's a beast of a thing so that would make

sense that it would be really good for wrestling too then. Yeah. The new evolution in fitness. Okay, so it's got resistance bands. So you push the forward cart, and the resistance bands are resisting you as you push forward, and then you pull your legs forward. Wow, this looks fucking badass.

It's like it works every part of your body, and it's like immediate exhaustion. Wow. It's like nothing else i've ever used before it's fucking awesome no kidding man and do you feel any benefit of this when you're uh sparring or when you're training i used it like cardio i even used it um and you can you can set it so that you can you'd be in one place you know so that you're not going anywhere you know it seems like you would get a motherfucker of a really hard uh workouts to a bunch of really hard workouts to it, but I'll do that with my altitude machine, because it just zaps.

You get so fucking tired so fast, so I try to do that even at high altitude. Okay, so this girl was using it to do, like, cleans and presses, and she's doing, like, rows with it. So the wheel also acts as resistance with the bands. Yeah, and you can put can put like 160 pounds on the thing or something it's something else it's nuts wow okay so you use fatter bands and then it makes more resistance as you push forward is this the guy invented it he looks like a frog sorry buddy

not in a bad way frogs are awesome frogs get you high if you lick them. So this one right here, that guy's got it fully loaded up. Oh, wow. Look at that. That is interesting, man. Okay, so there's a bunch of different ways to use that thing. Wow, I like it. That must give you a fucking hell of a core workout, huh? It's fucking terrible. It's fun, but I fucking hate it. I hate it's it's hard it's fucking terrible it's fun but i fucking hate it like i hate it it's exhausting exhausting what is your strength and conditioning when you're not working with curse on like what do you do do you just mostly concentrate on fight preparation like

pad work sparring bag work things along those lines yeah when i'm not working with curse on you know i run i'll do a lot of sprints i do a lot of Tabatas. Explain Tabata to people who don't know. Tabata is an interval thing. It's eight rounds of 15 seconds of work, or 20 seconds of work and 10 seconds of rest. And what you're doing is you're going as fast and as hard as you can for 20 seconds, getting your heart rate as high as possible. And then immediately when 20 seconds is up, you have 10 seconds of rest. So you're training your heart rate to get used to spiking and

then come back down and you're you're training your it can increase your uh your vo2 max like incredibly and tabatas is like really a big part of my my cardio sessions yeah it's an amazing protocol that was invented uh that i don't know who invented it so it'd be a four minute round total eight times of eight of 20 seconds right but right? And it sort of goes along the same lines of what we were talking about with Nick Curzon's doing or what Pavel Tatsouli is doing. It's not about massive amounts of work. It's about doing it smart and doing it the right way. So these 20-second sprints and these 10-second breaks, man, what a massive impact it has on your cardio.

And you can do that with anything. You could be running. You could be hitting pads with it yeah you know do a bag work you know hard as you can for 20 seconds and then 10 seconds off and you think about that's sort of how a fight is anyway you have a 20 second burst then you're like 10 seconds of getting your shit together in the 20 second burst you know so yeah i do that a lot and then uh lately i've been doing a lot more just pad work and speed work and uh using a double in bag a lot you know i'm trying to get um for a long time i was trying to be um very physical and very my outworking the other

person and being like more aggressive and um i'm trying to get more to to uh speed and technique you know than uh than trying to outwork people. Does that make sense? That's definitely a smart move. Definitely a smart way to go. That wasn't exactly what I did last Friday night, but that's what I did with Jason Willness. The time before was a really good example of that. That was a very good example of that.

Willness is a dangerous motherfucker. That guy's very dangerous. He hits hard. He's a real threat. That was a real good fight. Alright, brother. One more shout out. he hits hard he's uh he's a real threat that was a real good fight no yeah so uh all right brother well um oh one more shout out uh kinetic sorry buddy uh kinetic motorsports and long beach they uh did you see my instagram they gave me a ferrari and i thought yeah is that real yeah they gave me a ferrari for like a week till the fight and then uh gave it back went to the went to the fight and

then i got a brand new z06 outside right now really Yeah, they're just letting you borrow cars there Uh you know they give me cars to drive so I don't have to buy whatever and you know they're in favor They're high-end car lot they have a Fucking super nice cars you can rent them you can buy them you can really yeah kinetic motorsports all right powerful kinetic motorsports Anybody gives you a Ferrari. They're on my good side. Yeah. Look at that fucking thing. Yeah. Oh, shit. What was,

which one was that? It's a 458 Italia. What a beautiful car. God damn. It was so good. Look at the design of that thing. It was so good, Joe. It's just so spectacular.

It's like a car from the future. Like when you were a kid, you thought about a car in the future, that's what you like envisioned. I had a fucking ferrari testarossa poster on my wall as a child you know what i mean like this is a talk about bucket list shit yeah right there when that when that in focus piece came out and they texted it to me um i was driving in the ferrari just fucking when i when they gave me that it was like a good

two hours i was just like ah fucking losing my shit right but i'm driving the ferrari and i get a text and, uh, it was, uh, the Bellator social media team sends me that video and I'm watching this video of how far I've come and what I've done for the sport. And that can't stop crazy and focus piece and,

uh, driver's seat of Ferrari. It was a good feeling. That's ridiculous. Dana White's the same way. When he was a kid, he, he was in love with Testeros like everybody was at watch Miami vice.

So he had one made, he had one made. He had one done up with a custom interior and a real stereo. Apparently, that's a big no-no. People don't want to fuck with the original insides of the Ferrari. He's like, fuck you. He had it done up, but he was like, I finally got a Testarossa. Yeah.

Fuck yeah. Those big lines on the side. Yeah. That was the car we were kids. Fuck yeah. All right. Joe Schilling. Joe Schilling 187 on Twitter. Joe Schilling on Instagram.

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Who are these people that have other people as their profile picture? Give me my name. Give me my name, you fucks. Alright, thanks, brother. Appreciate it, man. You fucking cucks. Give him his name back, you cucks. And let us know before the next fight. We'll have you back on again for sure and pump that up and let everybody know about it.

Always a pleasure, Joe. Always a pleasure. See you too, my brother. Thank you very much. Alright, And let us know before the next fight. We'll have you back on again for sure and pump that up and let everybody know about it. Always a pleasure, Joe. Always a pleasure to see you too, my brother. Thank you very much. All right. We'll be back tomorrow, folks. Thank you very much. Bye.