The Joe Rogan Experience - #819 - Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: July 5, 2016

Brendan Schaub is a mixed martial artist and also a former college & pro football player. He also hosts a podcast with Bryan Callen called "The Fighter & The Kid" available on Spotify.

Ta-da! On the eve of an epic weekend of fights, we come to you live to break this shit down. The Keto Kid and I. What's up, brother? What's up, brother? What is that? That shirt reminds me of something, and I'm trying to figure out what it reminds me of. Jamie knows.

It's like some Japanese... The Endless Summer. Ah. Endless Summer. It's so fucking summer. This isn't the yellow one. I gave you the... That yellow one is so summer

It's a fighter in the kid shirt With Brian Such a perfect shirt for Brian All of his pictures should be him Leaping pretending to be a ballerina For reals Yeah similar So it's a collab with Roots of Fight

That's where we got the idea It's summer It's summer everyday in Venice it's a collab with Roots of Flight. That's where we got the idea. It's a summer. It's summer every day in Venice Beach, California. Unless you're a bum. Well, it's still summer, though. That's true. Hot as fuck and a nice tan. That's true.

A nice tan. That's true. Bro, I'll tell you right now, you don't want to be on Venice Beach during July 4th at night. Why is that? Dude, I even posted it. It was like the purge. I was scared. I had my kid in the car.

Fucking cuckoo guns fireworks smoke i was like holy guns yeah oh yeah people just shoot up in the air too those stupid straight up they're not like shooting towards the ocean you know it's like a rap video i fucking flew home i was stressed dude i've been to venice a few times and every time i'm there i'm, why would anybody live here? No, well, fuck, you live in the middle of nowhere. I like it. I know, that's your style. I like to be able to walk. I want to be more in the middle of nowhere. I want to go straight

to the woods. What's wrong with you? I like it. Your kids might not, you know what I'm saying? Your kids might... I don't think they'd like Venice either. There's a comfortable medium. There's parts of Venice. Like what? Like you're on Abbot Kenny, it was just crowded as fuck.

Well, there's nice little restaurants there. It's a good spot to drop in, get something to eat. True, but it's just packed. And feel happy that you don't live there. Well, no. See, I live like away from there where it's slower. Like Marina Del Rey, right on the beach there. That's nice.

If you have like a Prius, it's a good place to live because the parking spots are all like Prius sized. That's why you can walk everywhere. That's why I, because I like to be able to walk everywhere to the gym and everything. Ride my bike, run on the beach. You ain't run on the beach where you're at, son. No. I can run hills though.

That's cool. I can run hills too. You like to run the beach? Oh yeah. Yeah. You can't be a better path, man. You just like being, you just don't, you don't want neighbors. Well, there's overpopulation.

It's not that I don't like neighbors. I agree. There's a very clear overpopulation problem. Like I told you, I went to Yellowstone a couple weeks ago. And one of the things that I got out of that about being in Montana and Wyoming is that like you feel more at peace when you look at it nature and there's less people it's more relaxing 100 there's not the hustle i think you need both though but there's a reason why there's no one out there you're in the middle of fucking nowhere

your neighbors with the grizzly bear that's part of the reason the big reason the winter the winter comes you can keep that. And you like that shit? I don't mind it. You just stay inside, make a fire. Your kids are going to be miserable if you move them out there. Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe they enjoy it. Saw a bunch of happy kids out there. Right now, you move them out there for good. They have cell phones out there. They have internet. There's very few differences culturally. No friends that have each other. There's plenty of people out there. You just said there's not.

35,000 people in the town. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's more than I thought. How many people are in Venice? At least a million. 20 million. Venice is the size of a football field. There's a million people living there you know abbott kenny just got uh which is not a good thing but per square foot it's the most

expensive street in los angeles just beat out rodeo drive oh god why i know that is beyond me how crazy is that it makes sense i've seen real estate in venice it's insane i saw a house that was for sale it was 14 million dollars and it was a house just a house Fucking house. I mean, it's Venice man. It's the spot to be great restaurants friendly people Some Venice foot guys walking around. Mmm. Yeah, not not you. No No, I wouldn't when Callan first moved there like way way back in the day I used to visit him there and I'm like, what in the fuck are you doing here man like why here well but when you first moved here were you hollywood no uh i first lived in burbank at one of those oakwood apartments yeah and then i moved to north

hollywood my car got broken into and then i moved to encino i mean, North Hollywood, that's a hustle too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So you've been and done that like city lifestyle. Yeah. It's just too many people. I agree. It's a lot of people. I just don't think it's healthy.

I think, I mean, I think you can deal with it, but I think there's an effect of too many people on you all the time, around you all the time. Buzz, buzz, buzz. All that data coming in, I think it affects your thinking process. I think it makes you accelerate. Like they did a study where they put cameras up in cities and they monitored the amount of footsteps that people take per minute.

And through the amount of footsteps that people take per minute and the amount of syllables that people speak per minute, they can accurately determine how many people live in that city. Damn. Yeah. Like down to like a thousand, you know, they can tell you like, this is 2 million people. This is a city of 5 million people. This is a city of 6 million people. They can tell by watching people walk and by listening to people talk.

Because when there's too many people around, everything ramps up and accelerates. Like when I was in Wyoming, you know, we're driving around Yellowstone. It's so peaceful and relaxed. And I came back here and the moment we started driving home, I started feeling it. I was like, everyone's driving faster. Everyone's cutting everybody off. I'm like, this is a direct response to the overpopulation issue. Is it overpopulation or is it the hustle?

You know, it's the American mindset, the hustle where you got to make money get a job provide if it was Sunday They weren't hustling to go make money trying they were just cutting each other off. It's a bummer Yeah, it's a bummer and plus people don't really talk to each other anymore. There's not a lot of that. Yeah, well, I think it's People aren't as valuable. It's like if you have... Do you ever see those things about Pablo Escobar that he used to light fires with like a million dollars? Oh, yeah. It's because he had so much fucking money, a million dollars wasn't shit to him.

Yeah. The same thing happens with people. If you live in a place that has 30 million people stuffed into it, you don't value people the way you value people if you're in a small town. That makes sense. But you also don't know them either because you can't. Yeah, you can't. There's no way.

No, there's no way. You know less people, which is weird. Yeah. Like I was talking to Jim Norton about that because Jim Norton lives in this big ass apartment building in New York City. And he said, I don't know anybody. He goes, I've said hi once to a guy that's down the hallway from me. I don't know anybody else in the building.

And I'm like, how many people do you think live in the building? He's like, a thousand, maybe more. That's a bummer. More than a thousand people in the building. You can go out of your way, though, to meet people. Like last night I was at dinner at fucking Benihana's. When was the last time you went to Benihana's? Do you kids like Benihana's?

Yeah, we go to that place. All right, there you go. Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't dig it. My girl and her family love it so we yeah we went there and they sit you sit with random people right i'm trying to start a conversation because we're having dinner together we're here for the long haul it's a fucking show

you're just not getting your steak and then dipping out he's throwing shrimp at your face and all that shit right so i'm trying to talk to him and it was exhausting man because you would think they wanted something from me you know what i'm saying like i'm just like dude i'm literally just a friendly conversation so it was weird because we were talking about that last night like no one really talks to each other anymore and this is ridiculous when i was a kid i went to benihana's and someone paid for my meal paid for the table and i remember i ordered whatever chicken and shrimp i only had like 20 in my pocket and i was so stressed and i had to drink water and all this stuff. So someone paid for the meal and it was like the best day of my life. So I was like, all right, now I'm going to pay it forward.

So before we sat down, I didn't know anyone. I just gave the lady my card behind. I'm like, I'm going to cover the table. She's like, all right, cool. Those people, those people I'm trying to talk with it's their birthday right it's it's the his girl's birthday she starts ordering fucking pina coladas all sorts of stuff man i'm like god dog i fucked up or in all sorts of shit it worked out though man that's it worked out but literally i was i didn't need anything from him i didn didn't want anything. I literally just wanted to talk to him, get to know him. But I guess I'm a bigger dude. I got a fucking full sleeve tattoo, whatever.

Like they were almost scared. And they're on a date. They're on a date, but still. The dude's probably trying to mack on his lady. He doesn't want some better looking dude. A little muscular with all tattoos and shit. Talking. I was talking to him though.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter. You're eventually going to start talking to his woman. He knows that's coming up. Dude. She's going to get all excited. Oh, so now everyone wants to fuck your girl. That's probably what it is. It's Benihana's.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's a family environment. People, they have motives. They have ulterior motives. Well, there you go. That's why you live in the fucking mountains by yourself. That's why I'm not starting up conversations with random people at Benihana's and buying their food. You don't talk to them? You don't talk to them?

I do, I just don't try hard. I mean, if someone says something, I'll talk. We'll start talking, but I'm like, hey, look at you folks. You guys are going crazy over there with the shrimp, huh? Good shrimp, isn't it? Hey, do you like your shrimp with butter or garlic? You're a shrimp.

Hey, man. You're going to spend some time together. Hey, man. Yeah. You're going to spend some time together. I get it. You know what I'm saying? I get it. Get the fuck out of Venice.

It's rotting your brain, son. Maybe, man. Yeah. So UFC 200, man. There's not just UFC 200. This whole weekend is crazy because it's Thursday night. When was the last time

there was not just a world title fight on Fight Pass, but a world title fight on Fight Pass, but a world title fight between Rafael Dos Anjos and Eddie Alvarez on fucking Thursday night? And it's only on Fight Pass? Yeah. What they should do, if it's like a badass fight, they should play that Friday or Saturday for everyone to see. Look at this card.

This is a good card for Thursday night. Goddamn, you got Nelson and- Derek Lewis. Derek Lewis is your co-main event. Alan Joban. That handsome motherfucker's back. And I don't know this gentleman, Bilal Muhammad. Do you know him?

Muhammad? Remember the name is his nickname. Oh, come on. Remember the name Muhammad. You motherfuckers with your nicknames. That's intense, man. Remember the name. Get out of here, dude.

Maybe he didn't pick that. Joe Duffy, back on the fucking warpath against Mitch Clark after Dustin Poirier put a beating on him. Yeah, he did. Yeah, Mike Pyle's still doing the damn thing.

He is. Jesus Christ. Pyle is what? How old is he now? 42, 43? He's been doing it forever. He was the Force Griffins coach before Force was fighting.

Legendary gym fighter. Legendary. Like, before he ever became a UFC guy, like, everybody would talk about him handling dudes. Yeah, I've heard crazy stories about him. He's a tough guy. How old is he? I mean, he's at least 40, 41. I would say 43.

40. 40. Huh. Okay, I'm wrong. But besides Dan Henderson, is he the oldest guy? Dan Anderson's not young. Anderson and him are probably the same age. Anderson's 40 now, right?

But at the lighter weights, it's tougher to maintain this long of a career. How many of these guys are pissed that they weren't 46 years ago when TRT was in full swing? Those are the glory days. The glory days. That, I don't know, man. I mean, I don't have Fight Pass. I don't watch it on Fight Pass. But if that Dos Angeles and Eddie Alvarez card,

that fight is like a fight of the night, you got to play it on, you know what I'm saying, for the people. Yeah, probably, right? He needs it just for notoriety as a world champion at 55. I'm hearing Alvarez stories that he's training like a fucking demon, man. Yeah, I saw his interview that he did where he said he did 150 rounds of sparring. He doesn't believe in overtraining. Excuse me, sir.

It's not a debate. It's science. There's overtraining. And he's like, I think someone just made that up because they don't want to train that day. No, that's not true. The thing is, you look at his last two fights where he beat Pettis and he beat Melendez. They're not. It's not that.

I mean, granted, he beat him, but it's not impressive. He's not like the dream Eddie Alvarez or the Bellator dude knocking dudes out. We haven't seen that Eddie Alvarez yet. And he said that was his plan. But don't you think that a good part of that is because of the competition that he's facing i mean he just sure he's facing the toughest guys in the world so you change your fighting style no i just don't think he's capable fighting the same way against those guys and winning i just don't think that you can go balls out against pettis and just slug it out

with him the way he slugged it out with some guys in other organizations. True. I mean, he went kind of, he traded with Melendez, but he has like this clinching game now, right? Like that's his thing. I can't think of a worse matchup for him. Melendez got a lot of miles on him now at this stage of his career as well. You know, Melendez had some injuries and a bunch of issues. You know, Alvarez had those fucking wars with Michael Chandler.

Did you see how good Michael Chandler looked the other day? Hell yeah. He's a monster. Whoa. He looked good. And not just good because of the knockout punch, but looked good before that. His footwork and movement, everything looked good. I'd love to see him in the UFC.

Yeah, I would too. Especially after that fight, man. That one punch knockout. But I bet Spike is taking care of them i bet they're giving them some good money you know they should i me i had a discussion with mitrione the other day and you know i won't discuss his financials but what he's getting paid and chandler being the champ i'm sure he's getting that paper mitrione almost got slept that was crazy he got wobbled it's crazy and now he's fighting i know that's not good and he was saying no that's what i told him. And now he's fighting. I know, that's not good.

And he was saying, that's what I told him. I said, dude, it's not smart and for what? It's not like it's for a title. Right. If it was for a title, yeah, go get your money, become the champ, and then rest. Yeah. But he's fighting some schmuck, some Ollie Thompson guy who fought in the UFC. I don't think you want to fight in the UFC. So he's going over there to beat this guy.

But then he was like, dude, this is how much they're paying me. Right. To be honest, it's easy. He didn't say this, but this is me gauging from his matchup. It's easy work from where he's coming from. It's super easy work. Maybe. He could probably beat both guys in the same night.

Right. But if he did get concussed in that fight, it's hard to tell if he did. A hundred percent. He has, there's, there's the brain suffered some sort of trauma. Right. You don't get wobbled and just be like, nah, I didn't feel anything. He got sat down, too. His knees went.

His body sat down. It was a big deal. He's always been that way. When he fought Roy Nelson, he was like, I wasn't even out. I was like, bro, you got fucking rocked, man. Maybe you don't remember it. I'm telling you, that's brain trauma, man. When you get sat down and the lights turn off even for a second, that counts.

Oh, yeah. 100%. The brain doesn't, if it's a football hit, if it's a punch, kick, elbow, that doesn't give a fuck. It's the brain rattling around. Yeah. Some guys take comfort in the fact that they were still conscious. You know, it's like, I didn't go out.

John Hendricks said the same thing with Wonderboy. Yeah. I didn't go out. No, I get that. Yeah. But if that ref isn't there, you're dead. Yeah. If this is the streets, you're dead. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I didn't go out. No, I get that. But if that ref isn't there, you're dead. Yeah. If this is the streets, you're dead.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough call for him. But for Matt, he was just like, yeah, I'm fighting this dude, this dude, this weather payment. I was like, get your money, son. It's tough because, you know, if he thinks he could stop it, but then those are the fights that sometimes you can get fucked up in because you think that it's an easy fight. Don't you think? I mean, there's times where you step in and you say, this is a easy fight don't you think i mean there's there's times where you step in and you say this is a fight that i can win pretty easy true there's the over

yeah overconfidence but like rockhold and bisping for sure rockhold was overconfident going into that fight a little too relaxed almost disdainful just did not give a fuck just thought got murked i woke my baby up whoo i know you told me jumped out my seat i was so scared did you hear john jones talk about that he had a great point did you hear his interview what'd he say he goes uh because the media was like you know all this criticism get for osp and he goes hold on criticism let's just go over this it was brilliant shit he goes what would you guys like to see? I thought it was, he goes, I thought it was brilliant. He goes, number six guy in the world, Southpaw.

They change it on, what, four day notice, some shit like that? He goes, explosive Southpaw, number six in the world. He goes, you want me to act and dance around and get knocked out like Anderson Silva did? Or maybe you want me to go in there and not respect him and get knocked out like Luke Rockhold. What do you guys want from me? He goes, to me, those guys will never be the same. Once they get knocked out like that, their legacy is over, man. He's like, that won't be me.

I will go down as the greatest. He goes, you will never see me like that. John's smarter in his approach. He's definitely smarter in his approach to fights. He takes them very seriously. Even if he's not 100% his approach to fights. He takes him very seriously even if he's not a hundred percent trained He doesn't fight reckless he fights he fights he takes chances, but they're calculated chances He's been provisional in his in his movements, but John's a bad motherfucker

I mean his the reason why he's gone into fights and not trained very much And you know and like been like fairly out of shape it's just his massive belief in what he's been able to pull off inside the octagon but you would think especially out what was he 22 years old when he won the world title against shogun you'll see 128 against uh yeah i can show you a new work so when he's there you if anyone's gonna get overconfident and do some bullshit it's gonna be john jones right dude that to me that's why he's pound for pound best because look at the guys he's fighting like dc he only has one loss think about all the guys he's beaten that fight i don't care what

anyone it wasn't that close and dc got taken down and kind of broke you know i'm saying so for the the guys john's beating and what he's doing to him, that's why, to me, he's pound for pound best. Who's Mighty Mouse fighting next? We've been, you know, you and I go back and forth. Wilson Hayes, yeah. Cool, man. Yeah. No, there's no comparison.

And then what's next for John? Probably Gus Finn, Rumble. Rumble, probably. They're just these fucking monsters. No, Rumble and Glover are going to fight in 202. So perhaps the winner of that. And we saw how it went against Glover. He just dismantled Glover.

Yeah. So I'm just saying, at the margin of error for John and the way he's beating these dudes, that's why he's pound for pound number one greatest for me. Well, it's definitely an argument. You know, it's a subjective conversation. I think when you look at the movements and what Mighty Mouse is capable of doing inside the octagon, I don't think anybody touches him. But look at level of competition.

Well, it's also because he's eliminating so much competition. Look what he did to Benavidez. Benavidez is a world-class fighter. Knocks him out in the first round. Look what he does to Henry Cejudo, Olympic gold medalist. Mercs him in the first round. He had four fights. Yeah.

He had more than that. But I know what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? He's not in the UFC. You know what I'm saying? He's not this established Badass like John's murkin Gustaf Finn V tour Glover Chael like all these legends a good point. It's a good point

That's all I'm saying but hit that interview. I it was it was so good man Cuz yeah, what do you you guys gonna criticize me for this? Yeah, because those then Rhonda he goes What do you they overlooked their opponents? I not that guy i respect osp well not only that i didn't think that performance was bad because first of all i have a lot of respect for osp i think osp is dangerous as he hits really hard he's he's tough as and we saw that in that fight he broke his arm in the fourth round didn't say a goddamn thing about it yeah very explosive you can't around with osp and also a south poleaw, Joe. You know this.

People that have never fought before, when you change from a traditional stance to a southpaw, you're talking a world of difference. The game plan's out the window. For him to do it on that short notice is nuts. Yeah, no, it is. I mean, and he did it because he realized that, you know, he was behind the eight ball already going into that fight with all his personal problems, all the bullshit. He had to take that fight, or he felt like he had to, to get sort of like back in the fans' good graces. I did not think it was a bad performance.

A lot of people say he looked terrible. No. No, I think he fought a really tough guy. And he fought smart. Yeah. Didn't really take that many chances. Fought really smart. But also, his mom that week got her leg amputated.

Yep. What? Yep. And he didn't fight for what 15 months before that i think it was 16 so 16 months so he had that because if that same john fought dc that night he'd been in trouble yeah maybe i don't know or maybe shows maybe he hits another switch well one of the things that he said when i interviewed him after the fight is it wasn't physical. He's like, physically, I felt great. He's just like, I just wasn't doing the things that I wanted to do. I wasn't executing when I wanted to. I was hesitating.

I think he was under a tremendous amount of pressure. I mean, talking about a guy who came that close to going to jail. And a lot of people felt like his choices outside the ring were going to lead to his demise. And there was a lot of talk about that. I mean, just the amount of pressure that he had to be under. I mean, all the scrutiny, all that. That was a lot.

And then on top of that, he's also changed his camp up quite a bit because he started doing a lot of power lifting. Did you hear him talk about that? Yeah. He said that it hurt him. He's not lifting anymore? Yeah. Well, I don't know if that's the answer, but he hasn't lifted this camp.

Well, you know, some people believe that you should do it, and some people believe that you shouldn't, and some people believe that it's something to do in between camps, and that what you really should be concentrating on during camp is plyos. Correct. Yeah. I think that's the, and I think most experts agree, like outside of camp you build this shell. It's just you build your body as healthy and as big as it can get and then you go into

camp and you ditch that heavy lift and all that stuff and just focus on your cardio, explosiveness, footwork and stuff like that. I had a really good conversation with Diego about that once, Diego Sanchez, and he was talking about how he treats it. Diego's very smart in his preparation in that he takes time, like in between, say he has a fight. He's fighting Jim Miller this weekend? Lozon.

Oh, that's right. He's fighting Lozon. So he's fighting Lozon this weekend. Did he just fight Jim Miller? Yes. Yes. He won, right? Beat Jim Miller.

No, I thought Jim Miller won. Who the fuck won that fight? I thought Jim Miller won by decision. Really? Maybe I just picked him to win. Man, I'm trying to remember that fight. I don't remember that fight at all. Me neither.

What's that? Diego Sanchez. Yeah, he did win. Boom. So Diego does all of his pre, before the fight, like, you know, before fight camp starts, he does a lot of physical training. He gets his cardio very high. He gets his weight lifting up. pre, before the fight, like, you know, before fight camp starts, he does a lot of physical training. He gets his cardio very high.

He gets his weightlifting up. He does all this different stuff. But he doesn't do any sparring. He's just drilling, does some drilling, but he's mostly concentrating on physical preparation. Like weightlifting, yoga, all that jazz. Then he gets in a peak state of physical condition, then he enters a camp, fully trained,

like very high rate of cardio. Like he's not out of shape when he gets into camp. And then when he's in camp, then he concentrates on his skill sets. That's interesting. Yeah, I think it's a smart way to do it. Because Klitschko does obviously completely different sports. The Klitschko brothers did it opposite.

They would do the first, they call it pre-camp. They just focus on skills and like their jab, their straight right, the very basics for two or three weeks. And then when they go into camp, they'd add in everything else. But the first couple weeks camp was just the basics. Very, very basics. That's also, he's in his 40s. Klitschko is, right? Isn't he?

This is before that. I don't know what he's doing now. This is before, yeah. How old is Klitschko? 42? 42. I'd say 42. But am I off on that, Jamie?

Heavily relies on Mexican supplements, right? The Russians have been known to dabble. They've been known to dabble. They've been known to dabble. And he looks fantastic. He is bodied up. Hey, did you see what Brock Lesnar said? Did you see what Brock Lesnar said?

Yeah. Hey, I'm white and I'm jacked. Get over it. Yeah. Dude, I like Brock. I give him a lot of shit. I actually like him. I saw that.

I'm like, fuck. Hell yeah, man. Good for you. He's a character. He's a fucking character. I would bet my entire life that he's dabbled in some of that stuff. That's just what they do in WWE. Oh, well, when he was over there, for sure.

But he's been tested five times, or was tested five times when last I heard about it. True. When he was cleared. This Klitschko and Tyson Fury. The guy on the right beat him. He's 40, by the way. He's 40? Yeah.

Dad bod beat him. Dad bod beat the, yeah. They didn't beat the shit out of him. He beat him. He beat him. Fucked his head up before the fight That was the big deal I think Klitschko beats him in the rematch You think so?

Yeah It was such a boring fight But What we're talking Oh with Brock Lesnar This is Did you hear what Mark Hunt said? Mark goes

They told me like three months ago Hey man Be ready for UFC 200 Cause We We might use you So make sure you're in shape. And he's like, I've never done that. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, if you're batshit crazy, if you think Brock four weeks ago was like, yeah, I'll fight at 200. Are they going to test me? I'm fine. I'm clear. Like, it was obviously a plan. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not mad at it.

I get it for entertainment. I can't wait to see the fight. But you're batshit crazy if you don't think this has been an ongoing thing and they're just saving this fucking bat card to save the car. Well, I know it was an ongoing thing. I can tell you. I'll tell you everything that happened. There was a bunch of difficulties in pulling this off.

Because of WWE? Exactly. A lot of it dealt with Vince. And Vince McMahon, I call him Vince because I don't know him at all. I was going to say, he's not your friend. My boy V. We're tight. My boy Vinny.

So there was a lot of work to pull this off. And it was touch or go. Touch and go. They weren't sure whether or not they were going to be able to pull it off. So it was something that they tried to get done, but it took a long fucking time. There was a lot of finagling and they've had some cooperation before like Rhonda she went over there and did some

shows right or did a show and yeah but that cross promotion can benefit them so I think both parties so I think they wanted to work some stuff out and figure out how to do it right and whether or not they out how to do it right and whether or not they were going to do it right and whether or not, you know,

it ain't easy to pull those things off when you've got a company like the WWE and a company like the UFC. There's egos. Then, you know, Brock's their freaking boy. Obviously he's their cash cow, and then he's the biggest draw of all time in the UFC. I get that. I wonder what could happen if Mark Hunt lays him out. You know, I mean, and here's another thing.

Like, the reason why he stepped back, one of the reasons he talked about when he said he wasn't going to fight again was a few years back, right? Three years ago. He said he was concerned about concussions. Brock said that? Yeah. And then he hits Mark yeah and then he's smart cut and he's fighting bitch you're fighting mr concussion captain concussion fucking captain

concussion over there ask roy nelson i mean yeah i mean he's fighting captain concussion one of the best strikers to ever compete in mma in the hardest hitter in the world he gave me a list he's number one he's he's certainly in the list i mean he's more skillful than i mean you gave me a list, he's number one. He's certainly in the list. I mean, he's more skillful. I mean, you might have a guy that hits harder than him physically. Name someone in the heavyweight division. He knocked out Roy Nelson, sir.

That's true. That's true. I mean, it's arguable. And then in K-1, he knocked out some monsters. He knocked out a lot of fucking people. There's no doubt about it. He hits very, very hard.

That's why you look at Brock and his career. I give him shit about the WWE and all that. As far as an athlete and him, the balls of doing what he's doing because he doesn't have that many fights and they just threw him to the fucking dogs. You remember he started with Heath Haring. Then he was Frank Mayer.

Then he's Randy Couture. Frank Mayer. And he fought Uberim. He fought the Uberim. And got dealt with. He said, I ain't the Undertaker. Yeah. We ain't rehearsing this.

Here's a kick to the straight liver, son. Remember that? Yeah! He wasn't worried about being taken down at all. Didn't give a fuck. Uberim looked so good in that fight. Oh, my. To me, that's the hardest fighter ever to beat in the world.

Yeah, Uber Eam. I was scared. I was still on the UFC roster. I'm like, oh my God, what if they call me with him? What the fuck am I going to do? What the fuck am I going to do? It's not a good guy to fight. Not that one.

Well, it's that one. I almost want to see what he could have done. If we were on old school testing. Everyone getting fucked up. Yeah. We all going sizzler. I mean, that's a good picture right there where you get to see what he looked like, but that's-

Show him flexing right there, son. Yeah, that's the picture. Good googly moogly. He's doing the back just like, God damn. What in the fuck? I was like, okay, how's he keeping that much mass on with all that training? You know how. Yeah, I know exactly how

Mexican supplements But it's fair you're crazy don't think Brock was doing some so it like it's a fair fight well There's a lot of things that are fair about it skillfully. I mean skill wise look Overeem is a far superior mma fighter far superior oh striking they're on yeah they're it's it's almost hard to put into context how much better you stay it's they're on the same fucking planet yeah i mean he's so much better and ovareem knew it too because ovareem had seen brock struggle with shane and uh seeing brock get beat up by Kane. And he knew what he was going to do to him. I mean, that was a confident juice to the tits over him.

And he came in guns blazing. But also. No shit. I mean, he didn't just walk in for it. Shoot that bullshit college double leg. Go ahead and shoot that. Go ahead and fucking shoot that. Ask Flajita how that happened. Go ahead and shoot that. Go ahead and fucking shoot that. Ask Flajita how that happened.

Go ahead and fucking shoot. But I'll tell you what, man. I like the way Overeem fights now. He's fighting smart as fuck now. He moves around a lot, picks his openings, throws those leg kicks when he needs them. And when he lands bombs on motherfuckers, he's hurting people. The way he took out Junior yes yes very skillful

very skillful the way he fought Junior Dos Santos I was heavily impressed and a lot of people are like Junior's done and then you see Junior box the fucking ears off of Ben Rothwell and you go Junior's not done at all he looked better than ever that's just how good at over him is I mean you're talking about a

world class kickboxer. Real world-class. K-1 Grand Prix champion. Oh, he's the most decorated guy in the UFC striking-wise. Can you think of someone better? Hunt. Hunt, you know, is the only one. But honestly, when Hunt won the Grand Prix, Hunt lost a decision,

and then the guy he fought couldn't go on in the finals and then he went on the finals and won correct see the grand prix is a sketchy fucking thing because you know it's a tournament and so you got to fight multiple times in a night and if you fight a guy who won by first round knockout and you went through a three round war or even worse some of these guys went through through like when joe shilling fought in that last man standing tournament in los angeles when he fought um simon marcus he went three rounds it was a draw they went to a fourth round and then he knocked him out in a fourth round but he had been dropped in that fight and then you got to think that fighting like that is it's touch and go.

So the guy who makes it to the finals might not be the best guy. He might just be less beat up from the earlier fights. It's kind of cool, though, right? Very fucking cool. It's kind of cool. Yeah. Because it had a little bit of luck to do with it. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, if this punch lands, I get out of there. Well, didn't Overeem beat Gokhan Saki in the finals? And I believe Saki had a broken arm going into that fight. Going in, that's right. Yeah, so there's that. But Overeem, as far as just pure striking, right now, I don't think there's anyone better.

He knocked out Badr Hari. Yeah. In a kickboxing bout. He did. But the thing is- Badr Hari stopped him, but he KO'd Badr Hari with a fucking left hook. From Pluto stopped him, but he KO bar bar Harry with a fucking left hook from Boom Ludo. Yeah, but he's fucking boy bigger though. What's but a hearty thinking well butter Harry he He's been known to dabble in the Mexican supplements himself. Yeah, you got pretty goddamn big

But butter heart was going through a bunch of personal issues. You've been breaking dudes legs and night I'm a fucking needs a therapist froming planets on fire. He's crazy. Yeah, you seem mean, huh? You seem mean as fuck. That whole camp, Mike's gym's filled with monsters. Just Melvin, Melvin Manhoof, you know? That's right. They got some monsters over there. Monsters!

My point was, for Brock, with his experience fighting these fucking monsters, and right now Brock doesn't need money, although I'm sure he's getting paid the most out of any fighter ever right now. He doesn't need money. He's just doing it for the competition, which it shows you the type of balls on this dude.

Well, he has the type of balls anyway. I mean, you're talking about a guy who won the world title against Randy Couture in his fourth professional fight. Fucking crazy. No, that is fourth professional fight. Fucking crazy. No, that is crazy. That's fucking crazy. I mean, it's David Goliath. It is David versus Goliath, but it's still Randy fucking Couture.

Randy Couture, even though he might have been the David in the David versus Goliath, that's a tough out. It's a tough out. That's a tough fucking dude. For sure. And Randy has so much experience. He's so grizzled. That's where sometimes size is just like, huh?

Well, Brock is just so big. And Randy was just trying to strike with him. He's like staying in the pocket, like slugging it out. I think he thought that that would be his best way to win. I mean, keep that big fucker off of him. Fuck. And Brock dropped him with a punch. Behind the air. Yeah, Brock is a gorilla.

He really is just a big vanilla gorilla. He's a freak, man. He got some balls on him. Yeah. No doubt about it, but it's interesting that a guy takes this much time off the sport and comes back from comes off of two tremendous beatings against two

of the very best in the division. And they weren't close. No. It's not like, you know, John Jones-Gussman or John Jones-DC where it went to decision. We're like, fuck, I'd like to see that again. No, you got murked. Yeah. And maybe he was sick.

Granted, he was saying he was sick. Certainly for the Kane fight. For the Kane fight, he was sick. And then for the Overeem fight, he's recovering from surgery by like six months. I mean, cold-blooded. He had a... Right in the gut. Right in the gut. God from surgery by like six months. I mean, dude. Cold-blooded. He kicks him right in the gut. Right in the gut.

God, dog. And need him in the gut, too. Hey, man. Yeah. Overeem just playing for keeps, man. Yeah. Well, he gets what he gotta do. You fucking got him, man.

Look, nobody had any sympathy for Brock. You saw what Brock did to Frank Mir. Beat his face in and then was pointing at him and screaming at him. And Frank was so out of it, he didn't even know what was going was going on i mean frank had just got sent to the outer stretches of the universe that build-up was so rough though remember brock like walk off during the countdowns like how did it feel to get submitted like fuck this and we ripped the mic off yeah yeah they're like all right well what can we and then frank then Frank just kept jabbing, jabbing, jabbing. And then finally, he fucking tenderized that face. It was awful.

So bad. Tough to watch. It was that KO and Shane's KO of Mir. Both of those two together. If you watch those two side by side, you're like, whoa. It's a rough day in the office. This guy's had some tough losses. He's been doing it since he was 19.

And now he's suspended, right? Yeah. What did he test positive for? The same shit that... Melodonium? That stuff? Maybe. Melodium?

I doubt it. That sounds like some shit from Krypton. Yeah, it does. Doesn't it sound fake? He's taking Melodium. I don't think... He might have been taking Melodium. I don't think. He might have been taking some real shit. Yeah?

Yeah. I mean, you're a heavyweight. What are you doing taking that shit? Well, probably just trying to keep his muscle mass. You know, there's a lot of guys that, especially late into their career, they start developing real testosterone problems, pituitary gland damage. It's a real common issue with older fighters. Well, with concussion. Mm-cussion, with football and professional fighters. Yeah.

Because with head trauma, it lowers your testosterone. Yep. Lows you to testosterone. Even if you look the same, you don't feel the same. You feel depressed. You have low energy. Even if you keep most of the muscle mass or at least you look like it, it's hard to tell. A guy might weigh the same

but now he might be 20 body fat instead of 10 or 15 you know so five percent more body fat but really the quality of his body the way it moves the way it's just not the same completely different and the the last thing to go is power and the speed and quickness you know the first but with heavyweights that's why you look at the heavyweight division everyone's old man they still have all this power left so it's hard it's hard with the heavy it's hard to tell a guy like frank you should probably retire man he was on our show a while ago and he was just coming off that loss and i was gonna ask about retirement he was even thinking i was hell no why would i do that look at the division man everyone's old it's hard to argue yeah you know i'm saying it's really hard to argue because you look at guys like orlovsky who old as fuck came back almost orlovsky's been

stopped so many times and just doing the damn thing just keep on keep on what chin crazy yeah just keep going it's crazy when you think about how many times was cut world champ came back yeah all these older dudes just roy's not young no roy was on fucking ultimate fighter 36 years old just fucking yeah god damn i'm 22 what the fuck is he doing here you have kids you know what i'm saying like god dog what are you doing here yeah what uh there's not a lot of like fresh young guns stipe's the youngest and he's the champ and he's the champ how old he's the champ. How old is Stipe? 30? Stipe is 31. He's in his prime. Tough fighting against Overeem in Cleveland. Yeah.

33. God dog. Yeah. It's a tough fight against Overeem. Overeem right now has come into his own. He's gotten real comfortable. And he's into that Wim Hof breathing method. Oh, shit.

Yeah. He's doing all that shit. That's made a big difference, man. I shit. That's made a big difference, man. I think psychologically it's made a big difference, too. He's been working with Wim Hof for several fights now, and he's won. Something's working for him. Yeah.

With Stipe, everyone talks about these super camps. You have to come from a super camp. Not Stipe. No. That motherfucker's putting out fires and then jumping in the gym, training with fucking Billy from Kinko's, whooping his ass, became world champ. You know what I'm saying?

When are they fighting in Cleveland? What card is that? September? That's September, right? I think so. God damn. When is that, Jamie? For Stipe, he has to apply pressure, but he likes to wrestle, and people forget fucking Overeem can wrestle, man.

He certainly can. He's trouble. That motherfucker can wrestle, and he can grapple. Yeah, he certainly can. When is it? September 10th, UFC 203. Excellent. That 202 card. Yeah, there's a lot of great cards coming up, but let's pull up the graphic,

Jamie, for 200. Shit, I almost said 100. You think it's the greatest card of all time, huh? Man, it might be. I'd have to agree with you. It might be. I mean, look what we got here. We got Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier as the main event.

That is an epic goddamn fight. That's an epic fight. Epic. I got a question for you, Joe. Okay. Let's say you could only watch one fight. Epic. I got a question for you, Joe. Okay. Let's say you could only watch one fight. It's either DC, Jon Jones, or Lesnar, Mark Hunt. Which gets more views?

More views is Lesnar, Hunt. Easy. Yeah. Not even close. 100%. Because without Lesnar on this card, this thing ain't breaking records. But me personally, I want to watch DC and Jones. Me personally.

But it's a very close second for the freak show factor. Lesnar and Hunt's a very close second. But DC and Jones is my number one pick for that card because I want to see how DC figures out. Look, I think DC, when he fought Jones the first time, I think Jon Jones fucked him up with the wrestling. I think he didn't expect that. He didn't expect Jon to be so big and strong.

I think Jon outperformed, outworked him, beat him. I think Jon just beat him. I think DC's a better fighter now. I think having gotten through Rumble, having gone through Gustafsson, and I think DC made some real good points about how he would have performed versus how OSP would have performed in that fight. It might have been an interesting fight. I think he's coming into this fight much more confident and much more able to handle the trash-talking and the bullshit.

That first fight was super emotional. Super emotional. It's getting a little emotional now. You see Jon Jones gets under his skin, and it doesn't faze Jon. And I love DC. DC knows this. I'm way closer to DC than I am, Jon. I just don't see what DC's going to do different at his age and his training camp,

what he's going to do different to beat Jon. Look at leg reach. Jon's 45 inches. DC, zero. Hey, USC, how about you measure DC's legs? Let's at least get it up there. Everybody already knows that John has an advantage. You can't just write zero inches, you fucks.

Ah, let's put zero. Maybe just take out both. Who's running the fucking website? How hard is it to do that? If I was Dana White, I'd be fucking- Details, son. I'd be pulling my eyebrows out right now. Details.

I'd be going crazy. What the fuck are you doing? Why does it say zero? That's not good. Yeah. I just don't- I'm not that intrigued with this fight. The same-

It's so weird. I don't- And I know I'll get shit for it. Like, the Dominick Cruz, you're my favorite, did nothing for me. What? I love both those guys. Really? Yeah, I wasn't like, I gotta see this.

DC John, I'm not, yeah, it's weird. I don't know why, Joan. Maybe you can help me. With DC John, I'm more interested to see the version of John that comes out. Because that OSP one was very safe, John. Just getting through to get to DC. That first fight to me wasn't that close. And DC has one style of fighting.

One fucking style. And we've seen how that goes against john good luck man it was close enough that i think it's intriguing because it was five rounds and uh i i think dc lost the majority of the rounds clearly lost the decision clearly but i think he he posed enough problems giving the fact that I think that he was compromised emotionally going into that fight. I think he was overwhelmed. And I think he's learned and gotten better since then. So I'm curious.

I'm curious. You know, if I was a betting man, and I am a betting man. You would 100% put money on Jon Jones. Unless you hate money. Based on the first fight. Yes. You'd have to.

And also, I think Jon needed that warm-up fight. I think having a fight against a guy like OSP, being off for 16 months, and then taking on a top six guy in OSP who's a dangerous motherfucker and beating him. And, you know, people say he didn't look good. I just disagree. I disagree, too. I think it was a tough guy. He fought a tough guy.

Awkward guy. Yeah. I think he performed very well. So that's my number one fight, for sure. But for the freak show factor- Lesnar Hunt? Lesnar Hunt's the freakiest freak show of the freak shows. And by the way, when they were talking years ago-

Goddamn, that's what I thought. When they were talking years ago about Brock Lesnar coming back, and Dana and I were having a conversation, I said, please, Mark Hunt, please. Oh, you asked for it. That's what I was saying. You son of a conversation. I said, please, Marc Hunt, please. Oh, you asked for it. That's what I was saying. You son of a bitch. I said, please. That's a fucking fight.

I go, that's the fight. I go, look, if you got a guy who's the big fucking power wrestler, right, that has a little bit of a problem with striking. A little bit. Yeah. Who do you pit him up against? Well, you pit him up against a guy who's built like a fire hydrant, right? He's only like 5'9".

He's 265 pounds. He's got to cut weight to get down to 265. He hits like a fucking asteroidal impact. Straight up. He takes a shot as good as anybody that's ever lived. He's got these legs that don't even look real. Like his knees

are like he took 13 knees and glued them together. They look like two tortoise shells. They're so big. Just two fucking sea turtle shells. He's so thick. So thick. Everything about his bones, his head, he's just thick. And he's not intimidated in the least bit of Brock Lesnar.

By anything. Nothing. Doesn't give a fuck. Been there, done that. He's a warrior. Brock Lesnar also, zero inch leg reach. Measure his legs. You're giving him $50 billion.

Measure his fucking legs. Yeah, so he needs to get on that. I mean. To me, so let's say worst case scenario for WWE and the fucking UFC. Let's say Brock Lesnar goes in there and is like, Hut, Hut! Gets fucking murked. Gets a need in the face.

This ain't fucking Triple H. I'm knocking your fucking head to the third row. So it's Merck in 30 seconds. What's his Brock? Just like, ah, fuck. You know what?

He's done. It's over, right? Yeah. I would imagine in a row, you got Merck all three, unless he just decides like, this is what I want to do now.

And I only have like three or four years left in my body. What did we say? He was 38. Is that what we said Brock is? I mean, can't possibly have that much time left in his body. If he wants to wrestle, he can. God, that picture's classic. 38, yeah.

Yeah, so he's 38 years old. I mean, realistically, a natural 38-year-old athlete, there's not much time athlete it's not much time it's not much time like yeah like I'm looking at my watch yeah about 7 hours

yeah I mean unless you're a guy like Bernard Hopkins and again different sport and we're using the word natural with air quotes because boxing

you can get away with a lot of shit and not get caught some shit so who the fuck knows I'm just saying I don't think he, but,

so if he beats Mark Hunt, let's say he gets him down, fucking does his Brock Lesnar ground and pound. If he beats Mark Hunt and Overeem beats Stipe, they set it up. God,

God. See, I'd watch that. Brock Lesnar for president! That's nuts. Could you imagine if he did that? The ratings would go boom. That's not something outside of the realm of possibility.

Oh, not at all. Neither one of those things are outside the realm of possibility. If Stipe beats... Even if Stipe beats Overeem, I think you could still possibly make that fight. I think you make Stipe Brock. Yes, that's what I'm saying. If Stipe beats Overeem, I think you could still possibly make that fight. I think you make Stipe Brock. Yes, that's what I'm saying. If Stipe beats Overeem. Yeah, for sure. But if Overeem beats Stipe, it's a natural. Then Overeem gets on, look at the difference

in his body. I look the same. He's on steroids. I'm coming off. Yes. Then you set that up. And if Brock shoots a fucking power double on Overeem, pins him against the cage and beats him into oblivion. Oh, you got the biggest star of all time.

Yeah. He's the fucking Tom Cruise of fighting. And he becomes the new heavyweight champ. And then Kane, he wants to fight Kane again. Come get some. Everyone gets dealt with. Kane's got to get through Travis Brown. I'll tell you what.

He's a big favorite. Kane is a tough motherfucker. it through travis brown i'll tell you what he's a big favorite kane is a tough motherfucker as tough as they get he but you gotta think about the amount of wear and tear on his body correct we're talking about knee operations shoulder operations back operations there is a ton of stuff that's been giving out on kane's body So you have to be concerned with whether or not he can make it through full camps. That anesthesia can't be good for you. He's getting it nonstop. Well, the anesthesia is not.

Like a Kardashian. That's not. That sounds ridiculous. He comes out with a big bubble ass. What happened to Kane's ass? When I'm under, might as well get it done so I don't have to go back. Kane decided to get an ass job. Just a fucking ass job.

To me, this is my, if you're a betting man and you're like DraftKings or whatever, this is my upset pick. I think Travis Brown is your upset pick here because Kane's had so many injuries. Granted, he went through a full camp with DC. It's a fucking tough fight, man. It's a tough fight. Travis hasn't looked great, right? He poked Matt in the eye. He beat me.

He got knocked the fuck out by Orlovsky. But fighting-wise, Hoppa's a monster, man. He doesn't look great, though. Well, I'm concerned with his camp and the amount of sparring partners he's getting. He's not at Jackson's anymore, which is just a hotbed. And there's two schools of thought, right? There's one school of thought, well, he's getting much more individual attention. He's got one guy concentrating on him all the time.

He's working his mitts. He already knows how to fight. This is just an opportunity. And he's working with Ricky Lindell, who's going to help him tremendously with his wrestling. Ricky's a fantastic grappling coach. Ricky's in Vegas, though, right? I think Ricky was working with him. No, he does.

He's been working with him for a while, but I don't know if he's full-time. Maybe he's going back and forth. I don't know. Either way, Ricky's one of the best in the business. He's fantastic. Very, very smart guy, too. So, I don't know. I would have to find out, and I will find out this week, what kind of training he's getting in his camp, who he's working with.

That makes a big difference with a guy like Travis. Especially when you're fighting a guy like Kane. I wonder why Travis moved away from Jackson's. I felt like that was such a great camp. What do you think? It was his face. What do you mean you wonder why? I don't know.

Yeah, I don't. Do you? I mean, he's obviously. You're giving me the face. Well, I feel like it's pretty obvious, right? I don he moved he moved to glendale his girlfriend's here they're living together like okay excuse me sir okay that way you know what i'm saying that's um that's not good enough for me me fucking yeah i would say ronda you ever thought about moving to new mexico it's fucking beautiful we'll go run the mountains together i'll find you a starbucks she's always got is she working for starbucks every time we

get a photo with her she's got i haven't seen it she's got a lot of delicious beverage there's nothing wrong with it but they hope mate hopefully they're a sponsor but uh yeah i to me it's an upset pick if there is one on this card that's your upset pick. If there is one on this card, that's your upset pick just because, obviously, I fought Travis. He's a fucking nightmare to deal with. He's so long. He's explosive. And Kane's coming off this long layoff, man.

He's always hurt. There's going to be some point, and I fucking guarantee it, where Kane's not the same. We're just like, oh, there it is. It's like they age overnight because camp, he's been wrestling since he was fucking two months old in diapers. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's also all the stuff that you're looking at that breaks. Okay. Look at what's going on. Shoulders, knees, back, all that stuff. Boy, those are, those

are things that are real hard to come back from. It's not, you're not talking about like a broken hand. You know, you're not talking about like snaps his forearm. You're talking about like critical points of pressure right critical stress points shoulders knees back when those things start going man as a fighter you need those but and how much time has he had to truly rehab it like we've seen pictures of his body where it was just a few months ago and you know quite honestly he didn't look good physically he's never looked good though but he looked worse than he usually does. It looks like he's been steady on the burritos.

Not just that, but it's also like muscularly. He didn't look like he was built up the same way. No, yeah. He did not look good. He's not the keto kid. But if there's a time for Travis to ever get Cain Velasquez and beat him now, and remember, this is a three-round fight. If it's five, oh, he taking you swimming, son, into the deep waters,

and it's fucking miserable. Asto Santos, that motherfucker's never been the same. But three rounds with Cain, if your cardio's decent, you can deal with it. You're going to get through it. But five, he's going to fucking break you. But is it the same Cain? And if it is the same Cain, if Cain comes back and he's 100% healthy and he's making that mad run towards that title belt again. Oh, it's an easy fight for him.

Then it becomes very interesting. Yeah. Then you're talking about a different animal. Kane-Kane? Yeah. Kane-Kane in his prime. Kane, like, second fight with Junior Dos Santos. The Ben Rothwell fight.

Like, some of the other fights that he had. He's a monster. I mean, I still maintain. It's really between him and Fedor. It's between him and primetime pride Fedor. And a lot of people go with primetime pride Fedor now. You've got to put Verdum in there. You certainly do.

You look at his wins. You certainly do. He also beat Kane. Yep. He beat Fedor. He beat Kane. He submitted Minotauro. I mean.

Submitted Frank. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But that. You know, it's funny how if he never fought Stipe, you would say like Verdum has emerged as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. But he makes this mad, crazy run at Stipe. Like charges at him. That's that emotional Brazil shit. Like fought so crazy. And stipe like charges at him that's that emotional brazil

shit crazy steve is like hold up what steve just doink what what a beautiful i've done this in the firehouse son enjoy brazil bitch and the way he hit him moving away was so perfect but even he was like what are you doing yeah but boom, you're coming into my fucking shot. Yeah, it was crazy. Crazy. How about Misha Tate, Amanda Nunes? That's an interesting one. That's a very interesting fight.

My thing about Nunes, my concern is her cardio. She comes out like a bat out of hell. She certainly does. And she's dangerous as fuck. But Misha Tate is as game as they come. You know what the problem is, though? Misha's a slow starter. She always gets in trouble and comes back.

But with Nunes, she hits so fucking hard. If you're a slow starter, that first round, you're going to have to weather, man. If she gets by that first round, Tate wins. And honestly, for the business, Tate's so good for the sport, man. She looks fucking, obviously she's beautiful. She speaks great. And she's just a good winner. You know what I'm saying?

She's articulate. She's just a good winner. No doubt. But for Brazil, which is a huge market, Amanda Nunes would be gigantic. They only have one champ right now. Dos Anjos. Yeah. They said, fuck that testing. God damn it.

God damn it. Really? We're going to do that now? Yeah. And you got to wear Reebok fuck that testing god damn it god damn it really we're gonna do that now yeah and you gotta wear reebok bitch god damn it amanda nunez very interesting she mean i hope she really concentrated on cardio for this camp that's all she should be doing yeah this is a five-round fight too has she ever fought a five-round fight before no sir yeah so that's interesting how about how about cat on the prelim said, I beat both you bitches. Well, you know, if you look at Misha's fights, like, she has shown remarkable ability to endure

punches and kicks. Do you ever see her fight with Julie Kedzie in Strikeforce? Yeah. Julie Kedzie can fucking kick. Oh, yeah. She's got some beautiful kicks, beautiful technique, and she caught Misha with a fucking clanger right on the chin and uh misha fought it off and gutted it out and eventually got a submission which is you're not

you're not fighting off a nunez straight punch to the face though she hits so fucking hard she hits so hard i think it's gonna be trouble man but do you think she she punches as hard as julie kicks i say no fucking way you ever see that fight five That was five years ago, son. That's true. Did you ever see that? That's after Ronda beat her. Then that was her next fight, right? Somebody put up a highlight clip the other day of Julie Kedzie's kicks versus Misha Tate. See if you could pull that up just so we could watch it. She was just getting blasted in the face. But there's this one.

She got blasted a couple times with good kicks. She hit her with a good front leg side kick. Not totally sideways sideways but like tie style to the to the chest center flying but there was this one um high kick that she caught her just perfect misha's just it's interesting because you see her she's so soft-spoken she's pretty you know you just wouldn't it does there's no indications of how mentally tough she is. She is tough as they come. Tough as they come. Super beast.

Yeah. What's crazy to me is I was looking at this. I'm like, God, who's beat them? I looked up. Cat beat both of them. Yep. And stopped both of them. Yep.

Oh, Cat's a monster. Cat's ferocious. New camp. Yeah. She's ferocious. Moved to the Alliance. Moved to San Diego. Yes.

She was at our show in Denver, which was a while ago, the Fire and Kid Live show. And she was in the back, and she's like, I'm thinking about moving. And you're talking to a guy. I mean, her and we're in the same camp. I told her, I said, Kat, if you're already thinking that, it's time to go. Yeah. Because you're in this routine here. You know, her husband committed suicide.

You have all this negative energy here. Leave. You're a monster. You're going to be fine wherever you're at. But you go to Alliance. They have monsters down that can really help you out. You start a new chapter. It'd be good for you.

And Eric Del Fierro is the unsung hero in MMA. Him and Mark Henry. Him and Mark Henry are two of the unsung heroes in MMA who are elite, top of the food chain, world-class coaches that don't necessarily get the spotlight that they deserve. True. And also Dominic Cruz, who's been helping Cat quite a bit. Did you find that video? I didn't see anything with just the kicks.

I found the fight a few times, but not just the kicks. I had the last round. I know it was on Twitter. Somebody posted it up on Twitter the other day. Dude, how about I was in this goat cart thing with Jason Ellis and Dominic Cruz is there? You're competitive. You're racing fucking goat carts. I see Dominic Cruz in the corner hyping himself up dead serious going, they don't want you

to win. They don't want you to win. They don't want you to win this. He's talking to himself. Oh my God. And I'm like, oh, this motherfucker. He's crazy. He's playing for keeps.

And this guy next to me goes, the guy who works there, it's like some Costco fucking warehouse thing they set up. He goes, fucking crazy. And I went, I guess, man. That's why he's world champ. I tell dick jokes and you work at Costco because we think this is a game. He doesn't, brother. There's no game. And I'm a fucking almost

won. Yeah. Second. Really? Yeah. That's hilarious. They don't want you to win. It's not a video. It's just a gif. But restart that. Gadouche. Watch this. Look at this. Here's a sidekick. Well, that. Kadoosh. Watch this. Look at this. Here's the sidekick.

Well, that was no power. Yeah, but wait a minute. There's the sidekick to the chest. See how she's got it sort of tie style? It's almost like a teep. But sweat this. Leg kick. Very nice.

But now here it comes. Here's the clanger. Boom! I mean, come on. How many people survived that? That is a clanger it's a fair clanger to the mug and and Julie caught her with a punch and to think that not only did she survive this but she went on to win by submission that's a woman's bat to the face basically what that is just a straight bat to the face amazing no Misha she's as good as they come, man. For her to keep winning, it's so good for the women's division.

Yeah. It's so fucking good. Well, really, the rematch with her and Ronda is the fucking fight. Yeah. That's the fight. Even more so than Holly and Ronda because there's so much animosity. I disagree. Well, because Misha just choked Holly unconscious.

might disagree well because misha just choked holly unconscious i know but i think i don't that that holly ronda rematch is way bigger yeah because we've never seen ronald just get fucking murked and dismantled like that that's true and now she's talking about suicide she's been out of the spotlight she came back now she's facing that same foe it's like oh fuck and she beats her oh Oh, my God. Yeah. Or she just never comes back. Well, you don't know. I mean, she just got through knee surgery. So that's always an issue. You don't know how long, what's the extent of the damage.

What did she get taken care of? I believe she had meniscus issues, which is not the worst thing in the world. The best of all of them. Yeah. Especially if you can get stem cell shots in there which I'm sure she probably did. So there's that. So you know maybe she comes back

and maybe she's got more mobility and more agility than ever because of taking care of an issue that's been bothering her. You know this as much as anybody. Bothering her for years. Maybe. Maybe.

Or she just doesn't give a fuck about fighting anymore. Yeah there's that too. I mean when you lose in such a devastating fashion like that and then take a long time off of it i mean she without a doubt has a warrior and a winner's mindset but for how long you know i mean does she still want to do it does she did she want to jump right back in the way holly wanted to jump right back in yeah way Holly wanted to jump right back in? Yeah. I'm always weird, Tom. The only thing that was a little strange was as the face of women's MMA and you lose one fight and you're saying how you had suicidal thoughts and talking about don't be a do-nothing bitch and the first thing you want to do, you know what I'm saying?

And then as soon as it doesn't go your way, you're like, fuck this, man. I'm out. It's like, what? That's not a champion. a champion you can't do that well she was doing movies her it wasn't like she just said fuck you i'm out i'm not you know i'm done with this she had two movies set up one of them being a remake of roadhouse it's a big movie it's a craziness it's a whole the whole thing's a big craziness right so she's got's got these two movies. She's got the knee surgery. She's got love. Yeah, man.

There's a lot going on. A lot going on. But as long as she's happy, she doesn't owe anyone anything. She could just ride from Sunset and make all these movies and be like, fuck it, man. She's good now. What she did for the sport, she's set for women's fighting. But do you think that she would ever be happy going out with a loss like that? That's the issue.

See, that's for her to answer. That's tough, man. And then there's also, you know, she has the Holly Holm loss she needs to redeem. And then now you got Cyborg in that bitch. And that's the super fight everyone wants to see. And Cyborg's like, let's go. Chomping at the fucking bit. So while you're making movies, Cyborg's sitting in this fucking speed bag like it's their job, which it is.

Night and day, just waiting for you guys to get off set. You know what I'm saying? So it's tough, man. But I think what's crazy to me is, you know when Cyborg's coming out, Misha's one of the only girls who's like, I'll fight her. That's fucking nuts. No one else wanted to fight her. Misha's like, I'll do that. She ain't saying that now she has the title.

Yeah. Well, but at 35 she'd do it. Yeah, at 35. You're the champ yeah fuck you yeah came from invicta why do i give a fuck most people don't know you i'm misha tate meet me you're the one who needs this i don't i wonder if she can make 135 i mean she made 140 she did not look good when she was at the weigh-in i mean she looked like skeletoror. 35's going to be tough. But if you want those big money fights. But look, here's the bottom line. What the fuck's his name?

I was talking about this. Christian Bale made 110 when he was in that stupid fucking movie. Hey, easy on stupid. You're talking about Dallas Buyers Club. No, not that one. That was Matthew McConaughey. Oh, that's right. But he also made like 97 pounds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Straight dead. Christian Bale was in a stupid movie that nobody watched called The Machinist. That's right. He almost died. He almost died. You've seen that, right? I've seen pictures of him getting there.

Yeah. Matthew McConaughey fucked his body up doing that. I'm sure he did. He said he's never been the same. Oh, fuck sakes. Yeah. Matthew McConaughey, he said he'd never been the same again? Yeah.

He goes, I was doing it naturally. He was doing this interview for Dallas Bioshock Club. sakes yeah matthew mcconaughey he said he'd never been the same again yeah he goes i he goes i was doing it naturally he was doing this this interview for dallas body club he goes yeah man i was losing all this weight and you get to a certain point where my diet i just couldn't lose any more it didn't look like i had aids it's ridiculous he goes then i you know he didn't say what he took then i have to do some off the market shit to get even lower and he and because you're right he was always like a big strong he's like i've been the same. My body never came back the same. Ever. Yeah.

Especially like Matthew McConaughey's in his 40s. So you start doing that to your body when you're in your 40s and just wreck it. And your testosterone levels are low. Endocrine system. Yeah. Devastates your endocrine system. Well, have you ever seen like. There he is.

Jesus Christ. He looked bad. He was a dime piece before. Now look at him. Looks like Tales from the Crypt. Mad Mike or Magic Mike. Magic Mike 2. Look at him, though.

Talk about being balls deep in acting. God, look how bad he looked. Motherfucker really looks like he has AIDS. He must have felt like he had AIDS, too. It was a good movie, too. It was a good movie. Yeah, he fucking sold me. Magic Mike you're talking about, right?

Fuck, no. Just kidding, that's not bad either. Hey, but the thing is, girls who do those figure competitions, cut all that weight. Yes. My buddy's girlfriend did that and my brother's wife did that.

They never go back to the same man. They just don't. What do you mean? Their thyroid, everything's all fucked up on them. Really? Because they lose all this weight, yeah, and then the body goes, and their hormones are all fucked up. It's a nightmare, man. To get down that low, your body's like, what are you doing?

Especially for a woman, right? Because body fats are usually higher for women than they are for men. But it's got to be the same for men, too. When guys body build and they get down to that shredded 3% body fat where you see everything, striations. It's so weird. And you're doing it just for other dudes. Meanwhile, you're covered with tanning solution.

That orange shit. Do I look black? Yeah, you look black. You basically look black. Because someone's like, God, that black guy looks shredded and I'm white as fuck. I better get black. How weird is that? It's true.

The muscles, they pop more when you're dark. Yeah, well, you can see them better. It's so weird. It's like a white car. It doesn't show the lines. You know? How about, this is just a meatheads at Gold's Gym. I used to work out there all the time, but I saw a video of Jean-Claude Van Damme saying

how kicking is bullshit in the UFC and he can help guys. Yeah, I saw that. Did you see that? Yeah. Come on, bro. Come on. And I love Jean-Claude. I love Jean.

Well, you know how crazy Jean-Claude Van Damme is, right? Crazy about making blockbuster movies. He hasn't been crazy about that for a long time. How dare you, sir? Have you seen any of his reality show? Yeah, he was a drug addict. He had a great reality show. I don't know who produced it.

It was on Showtime. Was it? It was on Showtime. Was it? It was on Showtime. Really? JBCD. JCVD, right? No, that's a movie. No, no.

They put it on Showtime for like a week. Really? It's showing his house, his wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's flying around on that private jet. He's saying, I'm going to have to fight again for the children. Yeah. The show's called Behind Closed Doors.

Oh, that's what it's called? Yeah. fight again for the children yeah because it's called behind closed doors oh that's what it's called yeah but there's uh there's one scene with several times where he indicates he's going to fight this guy from thailand who's won an olympic gold medalist in boxing and he sets this fight up and he's like i'm running around doing all the cocaine and all this and i have to show the children that i can get back and i have to fight. It's a sad road. So he has all these press conferences set up where him and this guy are squaring off. What the fuck?

You never saw that? No. I saw JC. Here's a show, Behind Closed Doors. By the way, this is from like seven or eight years ago. No, I saw this. I didn't see that episode that you're talking about, though. I've seen this bullshit.

He's still pulling some numbers, though. He's flying private, has this sick-ass crib. Yeah, I don't... It's a sad story, though. He's just all this fucking... He's just partying, too. He's on that coca-hena like a motherfucker. He's riding that Bolivian just partying, too. Hard. Oh, he's on that coca-ina like a motherfucker. He's riding that Bolivian marching powder right off of the sunset.

That shit ages the fuck out of you. Oh, dude, he looks every bit of 60. I don't know what he is, but- He's in his 80s, I think. Fuck, man. Still throwing a mean-ass kick, though. I think he had some surgery, too. Oh, look at that fucking picture.

Where's his- You can see the dick root right up to the top of those lines are freaked the fuck out they're like what are we doing why is he holding up look at the picture above that though where he looks like the joker look at that oh my god damn is that real and that's makeup he has makeup on oh my, my God. Holy fuck. Wow. But that's cocaine, man. Cocaine just does that to you. Cocaine and bad life decisions. Yeah.

I mean, how old is Jean-Claude Van Damme? Let's take a guess. I say 55. Does that make sense? I'll say, God damn, if he's 50, he's the most shot out 55-year-old I've ever seen. How old is he? I'm going to say 58. 55.

I'm right. Fuck. Look gonna say 58 55 I'm right fuck look at that that's insane cause Tom Cruise is probably like 52 and Tom Cruise looks sensational

well you're talking about that Scientology shit they're helping him hydrate and shit it's just jizz rub jizz everywhere just rub it in there

look he's 54 they're the same age they're the same age. They're the same age. One year difference. And look how fucking stunning this dime piece is. Yeah, he's killing the game. There's a big difference there, man.

That is a big difference. He's also never been hit in the face before, though. That's true. But neither is Ron Claude Van Damme. How dare you, sir? He has a kickboxing record. No, he does not. Yes, he does. He has a point karate fighting background. He has a kickboxing record. No, he does not. Yes, he does. He has a point karate fighting background.

He has a kickboxing record. Jamie? I don't buy it. How dare you? No, I don't think so. I think he might have fought some point karate tournaments. I really don't think he kickboxed. You think you just murk him if you guys...

Oh, me and him? Yeah. Well, what are we doing? Are we doing MMA or are we doing... Straight up fight. Oh, kickboxing? Yeah. I don't think he has any power.

18 and 1. 18 and 1. See, that's not necessarily true. Well... Oh, that's on IMBV. See, there's a fought on tape. See, this is a karate fight, right? Or is this a kickboxing fight?

What is this? Why'd you say... 1979 fight on tape. Why'd you say caught on tape? Okay, what is this? Why'd you say caught? 1979 fight on tape. Why'd you say caught on tape? Okay, what is this? What is this? This is point fighting. That fucker's fluid, though.

Yeah, I mean, he was, but look, he just got tagged. Gold. Gold. Yeah, he's holding a trophy. Yeah, I mean, look, he most likely had some form of competition experience, but was he 18-1 in kickboxing for real? I don't know, man. 18-1 means you've got to fight for it.

Look, most people don't have more than four fights in a year, so you're fighting for a long period of time. Did that say pro? No, it just said 18-1 kickboxing record. Because back then it could be amateur. Because, you know, smokers are just blowing through. Yeah. Look, it's possible.

I'm not saying I believe it. I want to believe it because he's one of my heroes. No doubt the guy had some pretty kicks. But the problem with the way he kicks, he's got point kicks. They're like flippy. Yeah. They're like flippy, flippy kicks. Kickboxing and full contact karate career.

Full contact career in 77. Wow, 77. Hold on a second. That would mean he would be like, how old was he? Like 18? Okay. Sounds like a little bit of bullshit. 18 knockouts and one defeat.

He was even named Mr. Belgium in a bodybuilding competition. Huh. Killing the game. I mean, maybe. So here's the guy. Fucking winning, J-Lo. Since 2009, Van Damme has been planning to make a comeback fight to fight former Olympic goldlympic gold medalist som luk kam singh who is a thai um boxing champion the fight was a focal point of the itv reality show

jean-claude van damme behind closed doors the fight has been repeatedly postponed which many critics doubting it will occur i don't know why they would doubt it at this point. How dare you doubt this legitimate fight? The difficulty of booking the venue. Oh, yeah. Because that's fucking hard in Thailand. There's six-year-olds fighting every fucking Tuesday. I mean.

Look at this. In December 2012, Van Damme was seen as a part of Kamsing's ring crew when Kamsing fought against Jamhadadisak. Anyway, colorful name. Maybe. I mean, maybe he had some legit Kickboxing fights that's that way sounds like some bull world association of kickboxing organizations See that one of the problems with kickboxing. There's some Callan shit. Yeah I'll know master Kim One of the problems with kickboxing is there's a lot of world championship organizations.

A lot. Whereas, like, say if you and me started up our own organization and said, hey, you know, Brendan, I've been thinking, man, you and I should do a fucking collaboration. We're going to do a kickboxing organization. Shit, I love this idea. We're going to have the Fighter and the Kid slash JRE World Championship kickboxing matches. And then we would just crown some dude world champion. And we don't really have, it's not like the WBC for boxing.

No, it's not legit. Or the UFC for MMA. It's just like a lot of those. Tons. I don't know how many world championships there are, especially in the United States. There was a ton of them. I know that for a fact.

And you go worldwide. But it's not, it's not, not like bellator calls their guy the world champion like bellator world title you know like sort of well they can't go yeah they can't say the second best world champ you know it's like god damn it's not a world champion a world champion is a world champion you know you could say bellator champion but when you say world title the bellator world title it's not the world but stop please but that's fighting that's why that's why like in the nba the calves are the world champion there ain't no one on this fucking earth being those five guys that's the entire world that's nfl the nf world champions right boxing mma it's

like there's all this we're just not up. Stipe Miocic is the world heavyweight champion. 100%. Who the fuck is it? Who else has the claim? Best heavyweight MMA fighters in the world or in the UFC, no doubt about it. Stipe's the best of the best. He knocked out Verdum. He's the world heavyweight champion.

Correct. It's the only belt that really counts. Yeah. The UFC belt really counts. The only way the UFC belt is even in contention is in some of the lighter weight classes. You start going like, oh, what would happen if this guy fought that guy? Oh, I disagree. But not even there. Yeah, not even there. Not even there.

Not really. But that's the only place. Yeah, I agree. Like Marlon Marais is a very talented guy, right? He's a 145er, right? A 135er. 145er, right? Marlon Marais. He fights for World Series of Fighting. He's a 145 or 135. 45, right? Marlon Marais?

He fights for World Series of Fighting. He's a legit world-class fighter. But this is why the UFC really only is the belt that counts because if he fought in the UFC, you ain't going straight to the belt. You going through the fucking

ringer. Who's who at 45 to get to that belt which everyone did which alvarez did too mirage uh what was he fighting 135 yeah so he's a bantamweight legitimate threat to in my opinion anybody in the ufc at 135 i mean could he really hit dominic cruz who the fuck knows but look at that guy that guy is a savage that's a legit world-class fighter skeptical hibble eyes on that body he's a bad motherfucker he is a bad motherfucker that guy's super talented unless you're in the ufc no one gives a nobody gives a fuck it's weird because you know he's he's one of the few guys outside the ufc that like like justin gage he's another one a few guys

outside the ufc where i, I want to see that fucking guy fight the best of the best. I mean, I see like real mad potential in that kid. He's another, he's the World Series of fighting 55 champion.

55 champion, yeah. He's an animal. Kid's a fucking animal. He's a beast, man. He started with us in Denver, was a wrestler from UNC. He's just a monster. But again,

you look at the guys he's beating for these titles. 100%, you're right 100% no debate whatsoever but and there ain't any growing either in the UFC cause you come from that world champ look at Will Brooks first fight Ross Pearson yep yeah he's going right into the

hot I mean that's the nature of the beast with the UFC it's no different than the NBA or NFL like you're not there's no easy you're not getting cakewalks like you have this contract they're paying you a shitload of money. So there can be no doubt that the UFC 135 pound and 155 champions are the champions of the world. But there is talent in some other weight classes. There's talent in some other organizations at 155, 135.

To prove to your point, look at Eddie Alvarez. Everyone's like, God, I wonder how he's doing in the UFC. He's fighting for a world title now. He could be the first guy with a Bellator title and UFC title. And I think Chandler, a guy who beat him once and lost to him a second time, I think Chandler looks even better now. Me too. Better than ever.

Me too. He knocked out Patrycki Pippa like, ooh, good lord. He's explosive too. Ooh, he's so quick with his entries. I'd love to see him in the UFC. His footwork was fantastic. Nasty. And he's a guy who's doing some pretty extensive fucking camps to get ready for this. Spectacular workout ethic or work ethic.

Where do you think? Because a guy like Chandler who's just killing the game, right? He's got to leave. He has a shitload of... But this is the thing, though, Joe. Let's say you're his manager. He's the king of Bellator. Let's say he's pulling in, he's pulling mid six figures for sure.

And then you have sponsorship money included. So high six figures per fight. Then come to UFC, it's going to be a different animal. Now, as a fighter, no one's ever going to say you're pound for pound best. That's just never going to happen. It's just not. The only way, this is what I think. He's the champ now. Chandler's the 155 pound champ. He's got two options. Either he sticks it out with Bellator and Bellator continues

to grow. But even my man, Jimmy Smith, who is, in my opinion, one of the best fucking commentators in the world, they're making him have to fake excitement about like Ken Shamrock versus hoist Gracie they're doing ultimate honey they're not doing good moves these are not good moves that one was bad that's a bad move there's a but you know for a guy like Jimmy Smith who's like a legit fan as well as being an excellent commentator like that's a bad place to be to have to you know you're making this guy have to hype up some horse shit you want that paycheck bitch you better get crunk for that ken shamrock

hoist gracie seven dada 5000 and kimbo you better be crunk like rest in peace kimbo you you better be crunk too like it's mike tyson holyfield otherwise we take a happy paycheck yeah there's no there's nothing good about that so i hope they don't have to do that anymore. I hope they step away from that. But, you know, like the Chandler fight, Chandler could, it's conceivable that if Spike really keeps pumping Bellator and keeps putting it up and keeps, you know, firing up the coals of promotion, that they get to a point where people start mentioning Chandler alongside other guys. You'd have to sign more guys. Like, I don't know what the deal is with Rory McDonald.

His contract is up. Granted, he lost to Wonderboy. But, you know, I know Bellator's going to make a strong push to sign that dude. But you've got to get these free agents, man, and have a stable. Yeah. Because right now, you know what I'm saying? We just, like, look at UFC 200. What the fuck?

Any person on there, any tandem could fight for a main event on Bellator any night of the week. Yeah. What? Sage Northcutt could. Sage Northcutt would be fucking Brock Lesnar over there. Yeah, he'd be huge. Look at him. He's a mini Brock.

That hair is ridiculous. He'd be a mini Brock Lesnar. Did you see his comments? What'd he say? Said his last fight was a fluke. Well, getting choked out's not a fluke, son. That's not a fluke. Yeah, well... He's just young. Yeah, he's a young kid. I'm a fan.

He certainly did have a strep throat going into that fight. That's been documented. And, you know, someone choking you while you get strep throat, you're gonna tap pretty fucking quick. You have some serious inflammation in your neck. But, Brian Barbarina is a fucking animal. He's an animal.

You saw how he beat, what's his name, Homeboy, the Brazilian cat that was undefeated. God damn it. God damn it, I can't remember his name. Warley Alves. He beat that dude, who was a beast. Undefeated. Guy won the Ultimate Fighter for Brazil. Oh, yeah.

Worley Alves. He's a beast. And Barbarina beat him in a war. You can't call it a fluke, so I'm sorry. Getting choked. Like, getting nicked by a right hand and you get dropped. You can say that's a fluke. It's not even a fluke.

Guy's eyes are closed. That's not even a fluke. Guy wanted to punch you, he punched you. Yeah, you can chalk that up more as a fluke. It's not even a fluke. Guy's eyes are closed. That's not even a fluke. Guy wanted to punch you, he punched you. Yeah, you can chalk that up more as a fluke than a fucking submission that was calculated.

Like, no, no, no, no. I decided to take you down and choke you out. There's no fluke. Like, I went through the steps, choked you out. Yeah, it's true. Goddamn, he's fighting Enrique Marin.

Wasabi. That's his nickname, Wasabi. Fucking Wasabi. He's spicy like sushi. Like the green stuff on sushi Like the green stuff Wasabi I don't know anything about Enrique

Do you? Nothing besides the name wasabi Does he have a UFC record? He's bringing the fucking pain 9-3-0 Click on him, Jamie See if you got a UFC record on him Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom

Scroll up, please Is that his UFC record? record yeah so he does have uh one loss split decision loss yeah that's not yeah ufc fight night november 21st he uh okay probably a good fight for sage yeah well you know antibiotics that's the kind of fight that he really should be taking. A hundred percent. Don't throw him to the wolves. Yeah. Build a kid up.

I mean, the kid's 21 years old, right? Is he even 21? He's 20, right? He's 20, right? Or 19. Stud. Here's the fucking sleeper that no one's talking about. TJ Dillashaw and Rafael Assuncao.

That's a tough fight for TJ. It's fought before, remember? Yeah. And who won a Sun Tzu in Brazil but very very close

some people had TJ winning mmhmm yeah TJ um needs this fight yeah really needs this fight

there's a couple guys on this card who really need to win but I think Sun Tzu's a little tank man he's a super tank you know TJ's the biggest favorite on this card really I think 4 Sansau's a little tank, man. He's a super tank. You know, TJ's the biggest favorite on this card. Really?

I think four to one. Hmm. I think just because of Sansau's past record, you know, like... What's... How much of a favorite is Kane over Brown? I think Brown's like plus 225, right? Huh. Ooh, look at this.

Jamie with the... Oh, shit. Jamie with the quickness. Yeah, 280. 290? yeah kane's at 290 see that's my upset pick of the night if i'm gonna bet yeah i could see i could see that being john jones a big favorite look at that that makes sense yeah but there's a couple people who need wins there's i mean, Jose Aldo. Jose Aldo, man.

He's been gone for a while. He got murked by McGregor talking about shit. Kind of need to win. Travis Brown, he loses this one. It's tough, man. Hmm. I'm surprised that

Aldo and Edgar is basically dead even. Really? Who would you give it to? Aldo? Boy. It's hard. I guess I'm not surprised because you really don't fucking know. If you go back and you look at Aldo's past performances, you look at his last fight with Chad Mendes before he fought McGregor. Best fight ever.

Fantastic fight. I don't know, man. That's a tough one to call. It used to be even in the odds. Yeah, it's weird. That's a fucking tough fight to know, man. That's a tough one to call. It used to be even in the odds. Yeah, it's weird. That's a fucking tough fight to call, man. Yeah. And the fact that Conor was able to starch him like that. And Frankie just shows no sign of slowing down.

I know, it's weird. He is a fucking animal. He posted videos of his workout, like last workout before he went to Vegas. He's doing fucking handstands and backflips. He's a monster, man. His little daughter's working out with him. That guy deserves a title shot so bad. He certainly does.

I'm very curious about this fight. But think about Aldo. He's never been knocked out like that before. Nope. So we've never seen how he responds. Exactly. He could just be a demon, a Brazilian demon, fucking Mercs Frankie. It's such a good fight.

Well, Frankie had a really hard time with his leg kicks in that first fight. Really, really hard. And this was also, you know, pre-Usada. True. And also Frankie,

he's been on a straight win streak, son. Mercing dudes. Cub Swanson fight, just relentless. Chad Mendes. Yep. BJ Penn. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah.

Frankie has been on a tear. You know who needs a win? Like a motherfucker. Hmm. Johnny Hendricks. He does. And it's not an easy fight at all. It's a weird matchup.

Especially if Kelvin comes in in shape. Especially if Kelvin doesn't have a hard time making weight. Kelvin's a beast, man. He's light on his feet. He throws real quick hands. He's got great footwork, and he's a southpaw. They're very similar. Kelvin's way more agile, though.

On his feet, way more footwork. See, I think Johnny puts things together better. I think Kelvin's going to struggle with it. Because Kelvin's usually, he's that grinder. He'll wrestle, you know what I'm saying? He'll throw those big bombs. Well, shit, that's Johnny's fucking game, man.

It's a great fight. It is a great fight. But I think Kelvin just needs to be really, really focused for this fight. This is a giant, important step for him. For both of them. What happens if Johnny loses this one? That's three in a row son yeah yeah you're right and this is a big one this is a really big one because he's you know he's facing a young kid on the way up it was not top 10 right now it's a risky fight for johnny it's weird there's certain fights in your

career where it's like a fork in the road, man. Yeah. Where you go, and it's so competitive, especially at this weight class now. It's like you lose to Kelvin. Fuck, man. Well, Johnny's lack of mobility got exposed in the Wonderboy fight. Well, fuck, who's didn't? Yeah, yeah. Wonderboy's just on another level when it comes to that karate style footwork. But I also think Johnny, he's always been on discipline outside camps. It's catching up with him. Yep.

It's just now there's no IVs. Yep. So you have to be disciplined. You want to fight at the world-class level, you've got to be disciplined outside camp now. He just didn't look like a killer in that fight. He just didn't look like the same Johnny. He didn't look like the Johnny Hendricks that knocked out Marvin Campman

or Martin Campman or the Johnny Hendricks that knocked out Marvin Campman or Martin Campman or the Johnny Hendricks that knocked out Fitch. Or the Robbie Lawler fights. Yeah, he had fire in his eyes in those fights. And you've got to also take into consideration a lot of distractions outside the Octagon. He started a fucking restaurant. Remember?

He started a restaurant in Texas. He opened up a steakhouse and it went under with the quickness. I'm not mad at that idea, though. Dude, the reviews were harsh. Just shitty service. This terrible food. Well, hopefully his ass isn't in there cooking steaks and shit. I don't know what he was thinking.

Restaurants are a bad idea. But why would you do that in the middle of your competitive career? I mean, I don't know who fucking told him to do that. Well, he probably just invested in it. Whatever. It doesn't affect his training, though. It remember he left that camp though yes he left where and their agreement was we take a percentage of this and we pay for everything and he's like fuck this man i'm out and then he hasn't been the same man well they paid for everything too they gave him a

salary and then they had they had hired all these trainers. Well, all these camps, these super camps, they all hemorrhage cash. You know, like the Black Zillions are in a situation right now because the owner just declared bankruptcy. Did you hear about that? Glenn Robinson? Yeah, make sure that's true. I know it is. Is it?

Yeah, it's... I looked it up. It said it wasn't affecting the Black Zillions at the time. It affects it. Excuse me, sir. It affects it. The owner has no money. Yeah.

He funds that. The only way those things make money, the only way those camps make money, the only way, is if they become successful for a long period of time like Jackson's, where Jackson's done it the right way. They have world champions. They have elite high-level athletes train there all the time. They slowly develop a massive fucking clientele. They have massive amounts of students. So people are paying dues and they can expand.

It's students, though. That's the key word. Students pay the bill, the overhead, and then the fighters bring the attention. Most people don't do that. Like Black Zillions, I don't think they offer any classes. They just paid like over a jigillion dollars to train there. And that didn't even work. He worked out by himself in the corner. Yeah, he apparently

didn't enjoy training with anybody else. Yeah, I mean, that guy... Does not play well with others. He threw a lot of cash at people to get them all to come over there. It's a bad business plan, man. It's terrible. It's just a rich guy that doesn't know the sport. Tool manufacturer with more than $10 million in debt

files chapter 11. See, that ain't good. That shit said tool. When you have more than 10 million in debt, that means, Jamie, you're richer than him. Because he owes 10 million bucks. You don't owe 10 million bucks. Oh, yeah.

So you win. So this guy's running around like he's rich driving fucking Ferraris and shit. Like, no. No, you're not rich anymore. You fucked up. You spent all your money on Overeem.

And remember, yeah, that's right. They had the ultimate reality show, The Ultimate Fighter. Remember that with the Black Zealands and American Top Team? Yeah, this bankruptcy. And he was like the focal point, him and the guy arguing. It was the worst season ever. I don't want to see two rich guys argue about his fighters. Well, Dan Lambert is an actual guy who trains.

I mean, I think he's got his black belt now. Oh, yeah. Super legit. I mean, I think he's got his black belt now. Oh, yeah. Super legit. I mean, he was a brown belt for a long time, and he's a real fan of the sport. And if there's anybody that deserves credit for not just keeping that team alive, American top team,

but dumping a ton of money into it, investing a ton of money into the sport, and developing a legit world-class facility, it's Dan Lambert. That guy needs... He deserves all the props in the world. He a legit world-class facility. It's Dan Lambert. That guy needs, he deserves all the props in the world. He's legit as fuck. Yeah, get off my TV though. But, uh, AK's done the fucking thing.

Yes, they've done it the right way. They never went into debt. Crazy Bob Cook. They never went into debt. They did it smart. Because they have students. Yep, they have students. You gotta have students.

Gotta have students. Well, you know what it is, man? These guys, like if you look at that guy from the Black Slippery, no offense, but let's just be real. That guy's a little dough boy. He's got a big fat face. Probably never good at any sports. And he wanted to be in with the cool guys. He wants to be associated with them.

Yeah, so he decided he's going to pay for everything. Maybe he's a big fan of the sport, invests a lot of money in it, and good for him. Look, he maintained it for this long Which is way longer than most people would have if you really stop and think about it You just can't be a smart businessman get into the sport and dump all that cash You'd have to be some Rupert Murdoch type character. That's got just fucking kajillion You can't have 10 million debt with your tool company Can't sorry, dude

and then and then pay over him all this money over he's like i'll come and he gets her like i'm not working out the same time everyone else is he's like fuck i didn't think about this oh yeah bitch we're fighters we have the biggest egos ever well it might it doesn't work like that you just don't plug and play guys yeah you don't you have to be able to figure out some way to make a team. And then it's also not a team sport. So what happens when, you know, like ATT is dealing with right now with Robbie Lawler about to fight Tyron Woodley? You know, you have to figure out a way to navigate those waters. This is the first time ATT has had to deal with it. The thing is you've got to invest in young guys too. You know what I'm saying? You can't just be about the superstars.

You have to have young guys coming up. They're the guys that you built up. Then you have to have class. It's just a fucking terrible business plan. You'd be a real moron. You've got to be a guy like Dan Lambert who is very wealthy but truly legitimately loves the sport. Dan loves the sport. But if you pull Dan aside and talk to him about the headaches, he'll just go. Oh fucking Christ and Dan's super honest about it Yeah, I wonder if he could go back in time if you do it, of course he would he just built a new facility

Well guys built a huge gigantic place. How's he so rich? He's a baller Just he's got he's just very successful in business. He's got a bunch of shit No tool company. He's a's a legitimate you know super wealthy dude who's a legitimate fan of mma i've been friends with dan for shit going on like 15 years i've known him he's always been like that i only talked to him once he was super nice to me we went to see the ifl he and i uh and eddie bravo went to see the IFL together. Daniel School. Yeah. Where was that? I want to say it's in like fucking New Jersey or something like that.

ATT for a while was the biggest camp ever. Remember they had like Thiago Alves. They had Bigfoot. Who else did they have? They had Hector Lombard. They just had the who's who. It was like the number one spot to be at, I remember. For the longest time.

Yeah. Kimbo went down there. Robbie Lawler. King Moe. Yeah. They said Mark Hunt. Yep. Well, Black Zillions extracted people from ATT.

They paid people to go over there. And there was like a big exodus where a bunch of people just got their bills paid. And, you know, the dude threw some money at them. He wanted to build up a team. I did half my camp for Noguera down yeah how was it with rashad um i mean it was good sparring because it was like rashad rumble johnson uh just part with rumble yeah how was that i mean nightmare we just uh i think we only did one round but he wasn't in camp so he's kind of like whatever he's a fucking nightmare he's huge i was like you're bigger than me i'm fighting that every way weird super nice guy and he can wrestle his ass off that's what people don't know he's a fucking stud athlete the camp was good

there but it was rashad was getting ready for a fight too i forget who he's getting ready for oh john i may have been john but you know it was about rashad rashad's the the captain of that team it's just weird man you know if it's not i don't know they have to be invested in you it was a good switch up for me because my manager was down there and he had a huge house i needed a change and different sparring partners so i flew down there for two weeks and i'd fly back and forth as you can tell probably wasn't the smartest the fight didn't go great seems like a good facility down there. It was all right.

Just all right? Just all right, yeah. Nothing crazy. Just all right compared to other gyms. Yeah. Yeah, what is the best facility right now going? Is it ATT? TriStar.

TriStar. How so? I think TriStar because for Ross, he's not – like he doesn't want fame. He was a fighter himself. He's ridiculous at kickboxing, jiu-jitsu. He teaches the jiu-jitsu in a gi. So there's students. So he's not riding and dying off the paycheck of Rory or GSP, stuff like that.

There's professional boxers that work out there. They have a boxing ring. They have an octagon. It's just's just a it's like a it's a motivating environment as far as like other gyms it's intimidating you know i'm saying does that make sense yes it does like i remember going to jackson jackson's world class best of the best but it was like non-stop sparring and it's like fuck man my my coaches from denver weren't there when I'd go there. So I was like, I just always, I was so intimidated there all the time. Because it was just straight up banging.

Yeah, that could be a problem too, right? The balance between sparring and technical work. Like Keith Jardine and I were just together. I haven't seen Keith forever. Keith's a close friend, man. I look at Keith because he's doing acting now. He's doing well. He was talking about the podcast game, all this stuff, and we're laughing.

I go, bro, remember how we used to fucking spar? Remember? You would go in. You would do a round with me. You would stay in. Shane would climb in. You do two rounds with him, and then I would jump in. He goes, what the fuck were we thinking?

I went, dude, you guys are older than me. I thought you guys knew what was up. He goes, insane, man. Insane. And he even goes, I wish I would have stopped sooner. He goes, those last couple, I wish someone had told me, because we were talking about our dog. He goes, I wish someone would have told me, because I wish I would have stopped sooner,

man. He goes, those last ones were a waste of my time. Because we were talking about a mutual friend we have, a very close friend. I'm like, fuck, I wish you would stop, man. He's like, I just talked to him the other day. I don't know, man. He still wants to do it? Yeah.

It's hard to get a guy to walk away from it because everything else is so muted and dull. And the experience of competing is just such a massive, massive rush of excitement. And the bleakness of the possibilities and the opportunities outside of the cage. Yeah, but the issue is if that's your identity, like most any athlete, not just fighters, football players, boxers, basketball players, if that's your identity,

like you're known as Mr. Fighter and Mr. Basketball, it's depressing, man. Yeah. Super depressing. All right, let's look at that card. What else we got on that card? So what do you like in the Frankie and Aldo fight? That's the toughest fight for me to pick.

Yeah. Really, if you take away the last fight with Frankie or with Aldo and Connor, then it becomes a tough fight for Frankie to win. Frankie's got to be at his best, right? He's an underdog, yeah. But Frankie, you look at his victories, and you've got to think he looks better than ever. Like, Frankie's at, he's in his prime right now.

Unquestionably in his prime. The Cub Swanson fight shows that. The Uriah Faber fight was not very impressive. that the i mean the uriah faber fight was not very impressive the uriah faber fight was like a fight where he just sort of won but it was not that big of a deal your eyes fucking tough to finish man he is tough to finish but dominic cruz beat the shit out of him and dominic cruz did it in a much more convincing way you know frankie beat him the chad Mendes fight was spectacular first round knockout that was amazing and you can't MMA math never works we all know this but when you see

what Frankie did to Chad Mendes then you look at the war that Aldo and Chad Mendes had it's just so impressive right but then you look at what Aldo did to Uriah Faber beat the fucking brakes off of him he beat the fucking life out of him. He beat the fucking life

out of him. Beat the life out of him. And then you look at Frankie, it's not as impressive. And maybe math doesn't work. Doesn't work. And then you gotta remember now there's new testing involved. I'm not saying he's on things, but I'm saying we only have one Brazilian champ before we have many more. Forget about just talking about resilience.

All fighters across the board, when you see first of all, Aldo is now what is he 32 how old's aldo if you had a guess 31 31 uh i would say so he's in the neighborhood right what do we got here 29 okay he's in the neighborhood been fighting for been fighting for a long time had some, incredible fights. But you've definitely seen a change in his physique. And then you could say, well, you go back to the first Chad Mendes fight in particular. Just jacked. But you've got to think, okay, well, he also had a hard time making 145 back then. So it could be that he decided to lean out because it's easier on his cardio.

There's a lot going on there. But Chad tested positive too recently, right? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Yeah, he tested positive for some peptides, I think. Some growth hormone peptides. Dude, Mousasi is on the fucking undercard against Leonardo Santos. He sure is.

Oh, Tiago Santos, excuse me. And no one's even fucking talking about it. Jim Miller, Gomi kicks the fight pass off. Jesus. Gomi's like, I'm the first fight of the night? What the fuck? It's good for him. Gomi, the way he performs lately has been a shell of himself.

I mean, it's just winging giant bombs and hands down and plotting. And, you know, Jim Miller's a guy who's just had wars. So many wars. So has Joe Lozon, man. Like, I'll watch Joe Lozon fight sometimes. And I love the dude. He's one of my favorites. Mr. Bonus.

Yeah. It's tough, man. It is tough. It's like, where, you know, know what happens there and i'll tell you what kat singano and juliana pena is very interesting for the band and weight division for the women's band and weight division because kat singano first of all right there she looks jacked she's even leaner now is she yeah you'll see new pictures of her good for her well is a tough fight for her man real tough fight juliana pena is for her, man. Real tough fight. Juliana Pena's a beast.

And they're friends, too, right? They're not friends. Pena and Tate are friends. They're really close, yeah. Yeah, which is interesting because they might have to fight. Pena said, sign me up. Yeah, I mean, she's got to say that. Bitches, girls don't care, man, do they?

She's got to. They're just different. It's for the title. Dudes are like, I don't know. Girls are like, I will fuck her up. God damn, girl. Relax. This is an interesting fight.

Striking-wise, Kat has a big advantage. Oh, grappling, I'd say Kat. You think so? Kat as well? In grappling? Juliana Pena can grapple, man. She's strong as fuck, dude. Kat is so fucking strong.

Is she? She threw Callan around like a fucking rag doll. I got on video. Did you just say Callan? Yeah. A grown man, though. A grown man. Is she? She threw Callan around like a fucking rag doll. I got on video. Did you just say Callan? Yeah. A grown man though. A grown man. Is he really a grown man?

Is he really? By whose by whose definition? 175 pound man. Did he try to grapple with her? Yeah he did. No.

Oh yeah. Poor baby. Awesome. Poor sweetie. Awesome. He of all the people he's got body dysmorphia the opposite way. It's completely opposite.

Most people think they're smaller than they are. Yeah. I was like, why would you grapple cat? Well, not only that, he doesn't train at all. Ever. I mean, he hit the mitts, I guess. And he does something that supposedly is kind of like sparring. Don't get me started.

It's a good fight, though. It's a good fight. What's interesting is. They started standing up, Callan and her. Yeah. Because Kat wrestled in high school. And then she won Worlds as, I think, a white belt. You know, Kat can.

She gets crap. And she's, you know, she's a thick girl. Thick girl. And fucking strong, man. Yeah. She trains with Lauren Landau, and the numbers she puts up, she's a beast. Yeah. She's no joke.

Strong girl. Very tough. And that fucking Misha Tate KO. She KO'd her with that elbow. Woo! She KO'd both those girls in that fucking championship. She's nasty. Yeah.

Super nasty. Yeah. Yeah, she KO'd a man in New York too. those girls yeah fucking championship she's nasty yeah yeah yeah suicide and all that stuff so she took a shitload of time off and then she lost in literally 13 seconds to ronda but she was saying how and it's true like her head coach lester bowen who she left to go to alliance she was saying he was like the issue with her is she never wants to game plan watch tape she just wants to fight and scrap right which at a certain level you just can't you just can't right you can't it's a it's a it's a sport you do have to game plan you know tendencies and she never wanted to she hated it it made her it stressed her out so the the coaches would do it but tell her but like in that ronda fight hey man you can't run straight at her and just get armbar in 13 seconds.

Yeah. Like you just can't. And so now she's at Alliance and she's like, this is the first fight I'm going to have a game plan for. So it could be good. Could be. It's interesting. Yeah, it could be.

So for some, it's not for everyone. You know what I'm saying? Like they think too much. Juliana Pena is going to be at a disadvantage striking, but I don't know if she's going to be at a disadvantage grappling. And P don't know if she's going to be at a disadvantage grappling. I think Pena's a fucking beast on the ground. Interesting. Very interesting fight.

It's a good fight. Very good fight. I think Kat has an advantage as far as just size and strength. She's a fucking strong win for a girl. This is a fucking crazy card. Look at this now. We just keep going. It's almost like

Christmas at a rich kid's house. Just keep opening up presents. Just too much. You're at your rich aunt's house and just fucking open presents. All these fucking presents. I mean, by the end of the night, I'm going to be exhausted. I'm going on vacation. Usually I wouldn't give a

fuck, but I will find somewhere to watch UFC 200. If you have Fight Pass, you, but I will find somewhere to watch UFC 200. Yeah, well, you know, if you have Fight Pass, you could watch pay-per-view from your laptop. Do you know that? I didn't know that. Yeah, you can get pay-per-view from Fight Pass. I'm going to Hawaii, though. That's a fight town.

It is a fight town. But I watched Fight Pass on my TV the other day. I watched a pay-per-view. Because I forgot to order a pay-per-view once, and so I bought it off of Fight Pass. I was like, oh, yeah, you could just get it off Fight Pass. That's pretty dope. Like an old one. That's fucking awesome, man.

I don't fucks with Fight Pass. Well, Apple TV is the shit. I love Apple TV. And UFC Fight Pass is an app. You can download it and you can watch UFC Fight Pass right on Apple TV. That's pretty dope. Oh, my God. You can download it and you can watch UFC Fight Pass right on Apple TV. That's pretty dope. Oh, my God.

You have every fight ever. And I use my phone as my remote control. Damn, dog. You're just selling me on this show. It's like an ad. Damn. Damn. Yeah, I don't know.

I'll find somewhere out there to watch it. Yeah, you got to watch it. Yeah, I can't go to the bar, man. It's too intense for me. So, highest stakes on the card. Like, Dillashaw just coming off one fight. One fight ago, he was a world champion. Loses a super close decision to Dominic Cruz. Super close.

You lose this one, they'll see ya. I know, but like think about that. Loses a close decision. No one's talking about a rematch, right? No one's clamoring for a rematch. I mean, this guy goes out there, mercs him in Burrell, fights Joe Soto on one day's notice, beats him down. Kicks him in the face.

Then goes and mercs Hennon Burrell the second time. Murky merc. Just destroys him. No, no, no, no. Loses a close, close decision to Dominic Cruz. And everybody's like, yeah, I'm not really interested anymore. The sport's nuts, man. Fucking crazy.

The sport's like, fuck you. But for TJ, that's fucking crazy. I mean, the kid was, not only did I, like, and I said this, and I meant it wholeheartedly. I said, not only did he cement his position as a champion when he beat Hennenborough the second time, but I said he made a very good argument for being one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world. I think after that Hennenborough fight, I was thinking he's like top 10, maybe even like top 5 or 6 power fighters in the world. 6 is tough, man. He's top 10 for sure.

But now it's tough because he lost the decision to Cruz. See, if he beats Cruz, then you go, well, the kid's got a real argument there. He's top 5. And he could have beaten him, man. Look, all TJ Dillashaw needed was a few more well-placed leg kicks in that fight.

If he had gone and concentrated heavily on that right leg kick, Dominic Cruz had a fucked up foot. Remember he had that plantar fasciitis? Which is brutal. Brutal. I mean, it could have easily went that way. He also started planting his feet and digging his toes in. Yeah, he was headhunting. Dominic fucked with his head, man.

Dominic got in there deep. See, I want to see that fight. I want to see TJ and Dominic. Fuck yes. That's what I want to see. But, yeah, I don't know what they're going to do. Who's Dominic going to fight next? Does he have a fight scheduled?

No. But they need to fucking do... No, he's going to fight. If TJ wins this, then you go TJ, Uriah. Or... Then they need to do DJ versus Cruz. Or John motherfucking Dodson at 135. John Dodson at 135 is terrifying.

He also beat TJ on Ultimate Fighter. He KO'd him. He KO'd him and he is fast as fuck and lights people on fire at 135. You don't think TJ wins this one and gets a title shot? He might not win this one. Let me tell you something. No, I'm just saying if he does. Yes.

He could. He lost to this guy. He could. Or he might have to fight Dodson. If he loses, he's fighting Dodson. What if he wins, he might fight Dodson. Nah, I don't think you do that. Why not?

Because if you hate ratings, you got to go Uriah Faber or Dominic Kruznick. It's TJ. TJ, Uriah Faber or Dominic Kruznick. It's TJ. TJ, Uriah Faber is where the money's at. That's the play. And what's left for Uriah? Man, that makes me sad. The shit talk would be so fun. They were so close, though.

That makes me sad. Not anymore. Yeah. That makes me sad. It really does. Yeah, it's a bummer. Because when two guys are bros like that, bros before hoes. What happened to that?

Nobody says that anymore. No, that's old school, man. Not anymore. I mean, TJ and Uriah were so tight. And TJ's still tight with Chad. Chad and him are still buddies. And Joe as well. They're still buddies.

But Uriah, like, he holds a grudge. I think they both do. That's why the fight would make sense. We'd be crunk for it, too. Well, I wonder, like, how much Uriah's got left in the tank. I didn't like the way Dominic was hurting him in that fight. I was like, ooh. Dominic's a fucking monster.

He is a monster, but he's never been known to be a knockout artist other than the Mitsugaki fight. He murdered Mitsugaki. He smashed that dude. Fucking. But he had Uriah in trouble, in real trouble. And he put Uriah in a defensive shell multiple times. But let me tell you something. This is an unheralded guy, Rafael Sanzal, number three in the world, okay, as far as contenders.

TJ's the number one contender. But Rafael, no one's talking about him, man. He's fucking dangerous. So this is a really tough fight for TJ because you got a guy who's already beat him by decision. As questionable as it is and as close to decision as it is, he's a fucking tough out for anybody, man. Assuncao's no joke. And it's not doing TJ any favors. Nope.

Like Assuncao, he's number three in the world. No one knows who he is. He's a fucking nightmare. And he's beat him before. Like it's not doing TJ any favors. Yeah. And it's one of those fights where no one's talking about it, man. How can you?

Look at this fucking card. It's tough. It's going to be a tough card to stand out. Forget about the bonuses. Who's getting a bonus in this fucking card? Those bonuses. There's something about those bonuses that bug me. On UFC 200, it's tough to throw a bonus. But it's just about those bonuses that bug me on ufc 200 it's tough to

throw a bonus but it's just something about it that bugs me it's like that you're you're fighting to hope that they decide that you get extra money and let me tell you something when you think you're getting it and then they announce you're not i felt like crying when i beat mitrione i was the first hold on i was the first heavyweight ever in the UFC heavyweight to win by anaconda choke. The first in the UFC. They didn't. And I was like, I'm getting it.

Did you dars him or anaconda? Oh, dars, sorry. Dars. I was like, damn, I'm getting that bonus. I was thinking about how I was spending the money. And you put him to sleep. Sleep, sleep. Sleep, sleep.

In the first round. And we were like, oh, you're for sure getting it. Some dude on the undercard won by a guillotine. And they gave him to sleep. Sleep, sleep. Sleep, sleep. In the first round. And we were like, oh, you're for sure getting it. Some dude on the undercard won by a guillotine. And they gave it to him. Dude, my feelings were, I was at the press conference, super sad panda. Like, I lost the fight. I felt like crying. Because 50 G's back, you know, 50 G's.

I'm like, damn, son. 50,000. We going sizzle, bitch. We going Benihana's for everybody here. 50,000 is always 50,000. That's one thing about it. Yeah, Benihana's for everybody here. 50,000 is always 50,000. That's one thing about it. Yeah, I don't care who you are. Yeah, it's always 50 grand.

It's a lot of money. But when you're a struggling fighter, 50 Gs? You're like, damn, should I buy on Will's Royce? Should I get that mansion? Like, you don't realize, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, should I buy a place in Naples? We'll see. Let's talk to the financial advisor.

This is the one fight where I'm a big fan of TJ as a person. I like that dude a lot. Fucking love him. I love him. So I'm looking at this fight and I'm like, Woo, this is a tough fight. This is a very tough fight. That might be one of the more difficult fights to call on the card.

But here's the thing. When TJ fought Hafez at Sun Tzu the first time, he was a very different fighter. Completely different. Pre-Bang Ludwig, who was a different guy. And it was in Brazil. Mm-hmm. And he barely won.

Yeah. Yeah. Tough fight. But a Sun Tzu. Who was a Sun Tzu's last victory? Jamie, click on that, please. Sun Tzu needs to trim up that lower region, son. No, no, no.

Keep it furry. Keep it furry and stinky. You got that Brazilian force down there. Furry and stinky and... Stanky. Brian Carraway. That's a fucking good win. He beat Carraway.

Yeah. Pedro Munoz. Dude, these are legit wins. Yeah, he's no joke, man. He had a lot of time off, though, because of injuries. Yeah, look at that, man. He fought Dillashaw only two fights ago. 2013.

Crazy. And then his last fight was 2014 against carraway and that's a fuck carraway's tough as nails he beat von lee by submission von's a good submission guy too and then uh a split decision versus tj which was the close fight unanimous versus pedro munoz and then beat brian carraway another unanimous decision. But look, October 4th, 2014. Yeah, that's a long time. Long-ass fucking time, man. Almost two years.

You can see why TJ's a huge favorite. Well, he definitely should be. He should be a favorite. But I can't imagine that Sun Tzu hasn't been, I mean, first of all, got better for sure if he's been training. It's just tough if you're not in there with the lights sizzling hot and the fans shouting. Screaming. Yeah, and he's not going to be in Brazil. Yep. What does that mean?

Well. What does it mean? You tell me. What does it mean? What's that face? Yeah, I don't know, man. You know how it goes down there. If you have a lock on this card, what's the lock?

John Jones. Really? Yeah. Wow. By far. Wow. I know. Interesting. Interesting. have a lock on this card what's the lock uh john jones really yeah wow by far wow i know interesting interesting because you look at like you go through it john's beat dc before it's pretty easy for him you look at lesnar i do not think it's easy for him at all not easy i'm saying how great john is yes that's my lock man all. All right? And then Lesnar, Hunt. It's like, I don't fucking know. Hunt, if he gets his ass down, Hunt's in fucking trouble. Big trouble.

Big trouble. If Brock just bullies his way in and blast doubles his ass the next Friday. And then drops those lunch boxes on his head. And wears Hunt out, so his fucking power's not there. Yeah. So that one, I don't know. They can go either way. And then Tate Nunes, good luck picking that.

Aldo Egger, it's basically even money. You don't think Tate is a favorite in Tate Nunes? Oh, she is for sure. But it's still, it's a tough fight. It's a tough fight to call. It's a tough fight. Nunes can knock out anybody. I really believe that that piston right hand that she hit Sarah McMahon with.

Woo. And then Misha's a slow starter. So it's, you know so if she eats one of those huge fucking right hands. And Nunes can grapple too. She's a black belt. But I still give Misha the advantage on the ground. That's interesting. In wrestling, right? In scrambles. Grappling, just overall

MMA grappling. Jesus, tough as fucking nails too, man. Look what she did to Holly. That shit was so impressive, man. She was just waiting for her. It was so impressive. Very. So that fight was just waiting for it. It was so impressive. Very. So that fight's tough to call. Aldo Egger, good luck with that.

Good luck with that. Good luck calling that. We don't know who the fuck Aldo is right now. No idea. We really need to find out. He might be on the revenge tour and just mercs Frankie. Who knows? And he grabs the mic and calls out Connor.

Who knows? But I just don't see him merking Frankie. I don't see anybody at 145 merking Frankie. Nah, me neither, man. I was just trying to create drama here. Yeah, I don't see that, man. I don't see anybody at 145 murking Frankie. Nah, me neither, man. I was just trying to create drama here. Yeah, I don't see that, man. I see it. Frankie at 145 is a monster.

Yeah, just murk Chad. And he's just better than ever. Just keeps getting better and better and better. That's where he belongs, though. Yeah. 45. Look at his footwork, cardio, everything. He's not even struggling to make 45.

He can make 35. He's a 35-er. He is. Look at the size of him in comparison to TJ and a lot of those guys at 35. That's his weight class. I agree. He might eventually go down there too, by the way. He's talked about it. You know fucking

Gray Maynard's fighting this week? I think he's fighting featherweight. What? Gray Maynard's fighting at featherweight. Where? Just let that soak in. Where? In the UFC. What? Gray Maynard?

Pretty sure. He must be fighting on the undercard of the Friday night fight. Unless this brain trauma kicked in. I'm making shit up now. Nope. There he is. Look at that. Gray Maynard is fighting Fernando Brunoando bruno whoa that's that feather

weight wow that's interesting man and he was a huge 55er like bulk wise yeah well he was carrying way too much meat for sure and that was that was probably a big factor in a lot of his decision to get lean was the IV ban. Being that big at 155 and having all that bulk on him, he probably decided to lean out. And then as he was leaning out, it was probably like, you know what? With his frame and his power, it might even be better at 145. Just don't carry so much meat. His nickname's the goddamn bully. Like, he was a big 55er.

That's because he likes those dogs, those bully dogs. I get it, but still, he's a thick dude. He was a thick dude. But it was all muscle. It's all muscle. Click on his link, please. And then you lose that muscle, and now you're at 45. And really, his chin's been suspect, so he cuts to 45.

More than suspect. I mean, it's... Oh, shit. He's lost four in a row. That shit went boom, boom,'s been suspect, so he cuts to 45. More than suspect. I mean, look at this. He's lost four in a row. That shit went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. At least the last one was a decision. His last win was in 2012, sir. I know, and he lost three by KO in a row. Ross Pearson KO'd him, and it was ugly.

Nate Diaz beat the fuck out of him. That was a first-round KO. And Diaz beat the fuck out of him. That was a first-round KO. And TJ Grant beat the fuck out of him. TJ Grant, here's a guy, about to fight for the title, gets a concussion, has to delay it, and now he works in a mine. He's done. I saw him the other day. I saw him the other day.

He was there for someone's fight. I forget who it was. But he looks like he hasn't been training. He looks thick. Thicker than a Snickers? Yeah. Just fucking mighty. He is a very skillful guy, too, man.

And a smart guy, too. Very smart. Well, that's why he's not fighting anymore. He's not a guy who takes concussions lightly. Cesar Ferreira is another guy that looked fucking sensational at one point in his career and has started to fade. One of the biggest freaks

I've ever seen inside the gym. Ferreira? Click on that. Fucking freak. Yeah, who did he just lose to? Go click on his. This is middleweight, right? Is he fighting middleweight?

Yeah. Yeah, he got knocked out in his last fight. Who did he fight? Oh, yeah. Bambuse. Oh, no, we saw him lose to Masvidal. That's right.

Yeah, we saw him lose to Masvidal. He got KO'd. And then Oluwale, Bambuse beat him by decision. But Masvidal KO'd him. Click on watch that. I don't even remember that. Yeah, click on watch. He gets in these slug fests.

Does this make us sign up for FightWise? We should be signed up already, no? Boom, son, what's up? We can't show it on the podcast, but we could watch it, right? It's a first round KO. I just want to see how he knocked him out. I'm telling you, he's so athletic and he's good at everything. He was tutelage under Anderson Silva for years, then

Liotto Machida, and then Vitor Belfort. Everyone invests all this time in him because he's such a freak. Inside the gym, I was like, I don't see how this dude's ever going to lose. And then he goes on the Ultimate Fighter. He's just a monster. But for whatever reason, it's just not clicking for him in there right now.

Well, he won the Ultimate Fighter and in the finals, he fought Sergio Moraes, the jiu-jitsu black belt. He's the guy who tapped out Krohn Gracie in Krohn's first black belt match. Sergio Moraes is a beast. He is a world, world-class black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. But Moraes caught Cesar Ferreira with a hard elbow i believe in that fight and had him stunned because i remember i watched it i was in brazil for that

one there's there's a couple guys i've trained with and i'm just like dude these guys are going to take over the world todd duffy you asked i asked kane in dc because he went he left our camp went there i'm like how tough is duffy? They're like, unbelievable, man. They got fucking RoboCop. Maybe he just needs some Vinnie Shorman-type mental coaching or something. I mean, there's been guys like that in football, too. You're like, holy fuck, this guy's going to rush for 3,000 yards. Then the lights turn on, and it's like, what the fuck happened to him?

Well, Duffy's fight against Frank Mir was just real crazy. Like, what a nutty fucking slugfest. Those two said, what? Just let's go. And to think that Frank Mir decided to fight like that after all these years in the game, all his submission victories, all his crazy fights against world-class fighters, he just said, you know what? Let's fucking throw.

He's in love with boxing right now. All he talks about is boxing. I'm like, for sure, jump guard. That's so weird, man. So Fajero's trying to pass here. And somehow or another in this fight, he gets knocked out. I don't remember what the time was. There's Vitor in his corner.

Yeah. He's bodied up. And he did that capoeira. And he can do it to a T, like a fucking break, just anywhere. Flips, all this great. And he's he's big too he's so athletic man the nicest guy if he got his fucking head right man i'm telling this guy has the skills to do crazy things you think that's what it is it's a head thing 100 he's got tagged on the break there by by uh it's a tough fight for him, too, this young in his career. Masvidal's very crisp.

He's also a fucking vet. Yeah, very crisp with his striking, though. I'm a big fan of the way he throws punches, like, fast and accurate, but he doesn't load up on anything. He just gets there. Yeah, I feel like, because he has a pro boxing experience, too,

I feel like whenever goes a decision, Masvidal gets fucked. He does get fucked a few times. Every time. He's one of my favorite fighters to watch. He's good at everything. He's very smart. Very smart dude. He was a Kimbo Slices.

He used to fight backyard. Yeah, in those early days, man. I watched some of his fights long before he ever came to the UFC. Back when he was fighting Eve Edwards in a Bodog fight. Remember that? Oh, yeah. He caught Eve Edwards with a head kick and knocked him out in Bodog. And I was like, look at this guy.

How about Kane fighting Bodog? Yeah. Old school, man. Yeah. So did Chael Sonnen. I fought a guy named Jeremiah Constant. Boom. Yeah, Sonnen fighting it, too.

Yeah. Bodog had the hottest ring, girls. The past. The Russians. What the fuck was up? You know Putin had a hand in that. Did he. The Russians didn't know what the fuck was up. You know Putin had a hand in that. Did he?

If I could just get one night with Putin, we'd just paint the town red. Do you remember, or white. Do you remember that Calvin Iyer guy? Icing, icing, icing. What's up? Do you remember that Calvin Iyer guy who owned Bodog? Yes. He was a guy who wasn't even allowed to come back to America because he was involved in internet gambling. Because internet gambling used to be completely legit.

But the casinos fucking bribed everybody and went, fuck, stop this, stop it. They ruined what could have been an amazing marketplace. Huge. Amazing. But they wanted to preserve casinos in the united states and especially when it comes to sports betting and things along those lines so calvin ire he got fucked as did uh what's that guy's name kevin trudeau remember that guy that fucking uh the 10 weight loss secrets that they don't want you to know about remember that guy yeah those late

night infomercial swindles where it's swindle people on weight loss tips, shit like that turned out to all be bullshit. That guy was a swindler, but he got fucked too because he started something called the international pool tour. Oh, right hand.

That's what it is. Oh dude. Oh dude. Masvidal. He's a beast. So he, Trudeau started this thing called the international pro, um,

international pool tour i think it was or ipt international professional whatever the fuck it was but it was a pro pool organization spent a ton of money on it terrible idea no but the idea behind well pool is enormous in asia enormous in a lot of europe and other parts of the world. And his idea was have online gambling. And the online gambling would, like, people would bet on who was going to win each match, and they would make their profits off that. As he was putting this together,

they came down on the ban on online gambling. Just crushed it. The whole business got crushed. He's in jail now for some horseshit. But hiding money somewhere. He's one of those dudes that's in jail, and they're like, like look we'll let you out if you tell us where the money is fuck you hell yeah you will let me out when you let me out and then i'm gonna go right to that fucking coffee can that i got buried in my backyard dude i felt slimy watching bodog like you knew there was like some weird shit going on it was so strange man i don't think they paid matt linlin i think matt linlin got

fucked if i remember correctly or didn't he get paid all that they were supposed to pay him because linlin linlin was supposed to get like a million bucks to fight fedor remember that yeah i do linlin fought fedor and fedor cheated remember that linlin yeah Linlin had a body lock on him He's taking him down not in here or fucking hooked a rope and totally cheated and reversed the position And then went to work and then went to work and arm barred him. That's right Hey, you know once it went to the ground me did what he's supposed to do, but he fucking cheated to get there He definitely cheated welcome mother Russia. Hey, and this was when Fedor was Fedor, too. Dude, I used to use Bodog.

I used to use it to bet on sports. Really? Yeah. Well, that dude, when he had Bodog fight, he had a giant billboard just outside of Vegas for Bodog fight. And you know what was on the billboard? Him in a suit. Tight move.

These motherfuckers. Persians do it here in Hollywood, too. Yeah, but he shouldn't do that. Because first of all, he's already rich as fuck. Trying to get famous, son. How much pussy do you need, dude? You're going to have a surplus of pussy. And then you're going to have problems.

Well, he's painful for it now. He's plotting against you. The pussy's going to be overflowing left and right. You're not going to be able to keep a hand on it. Preach. It's going to get in the way. It's going to get in the way of your thinking. You're going to be like, I know this motherfucker. You got fighters? You got a bunch of fighters in your camp?

Guess what? They're fucking all those girls. Son of a bitch. Correct. What are you doing? You need an advisor. Isn't it weird? Famous guys, well, it's like rich guys want to get famous. Yes, they do. Yeah, a lot of them do. A lot of them do. Same reason why, like, Len Robinson went with Black Zillions to get the St if I you got

Enough money what the fuck you doing not only that why did he go on television? With a big fat face on the fucking ultimate fighter Fuck it and we're Dan Lambert just lambasted him. They did destroy just destroyed just chewed him apart and Glenn couldn't say anything What's he gonna? He can't like? Dan could legitimately beat the fuck out of many times he wants in real life. So it's not a lot of insults he could lay

his way. It's just a bad idea. I mean, just the whole thing. Whose idea was that? Well, I mean, ultimately it's good for the teams to show

who's the better team, who's got the better athletes, who's got the better fighters and coaching. Black Zealand's won that season, right? Yeah, they did.

How'd that turn out? The bitch is bankrupt now. Yeah. Well, he spent a lot of money to win what a bad idea it's not a good idea but bodog fight went under and i don't know why it went under but the the guy was like mocking dana and he was like saying at one point in time you know that he would like to take dana with him on his jet setting lifestyle and show him, you know, he invited him to pick him up in his private jet. And so Dana could see like how he lives. And then I was like, what?

This is back before the UFC like became the UFC in air quotes, you know, like it was still, yeah, it was still growing. See, but is that real? I don't know if that's real.

There's so much confidentiality. Nobody wants to give me a fucking straight story. I would assume it's real where there's smoke, there's real. There's so much confidentiality. Nobody wants to give me a fucking straight story. I would assume it's real with a smoke dish fire. And because it's weird, they offered $4 billion and Dana was like, you offer $4 billion. I think if somebody offers you $4 billion, you got to say yes. Hell yes. Good luck scratching together $4 billion. Well, there was a number of partners.

Yeah. But even then, good luck scratching together $4 billion. It's a lot of money. And, you know, you got to make sure that everything's in place i mean it's a tricky thing you got first of all you'd have to have dana stay on you have to have dana without dana you don't have the same organization you're not going to be able to put together the fights the same way you know you don't have the same guy doing the press conferences the same figurehead it's very important so then why would you buy it though because anyone with that ego if they have four billion or you get these three mega companies together by three

billion they're gonna or four billion they're gonna have other ideas for the organization so you can't buy it and then just leave it all the same you you buy it and you give dana a piece so not only do you pay him but you also give him a piece of the new organization so that he can get even stupid richer. You give him a piece, but you're going to have to have someone like, let's say you, you hire a dude from fucking Apple to come in and run it.

Like that's not business. Granted, it's not, let's say that's your idea though. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're buying it, you're not buying it.

Like, Oh yeah, you just keep doing what you're doing. You're buying it. Cause you have some ideas. Like you don't become a'm saying like if you're buying you're not buying it like oh yeah you just keep doing what you're doing you're buying because you have some ideas like you don't become a jigal in there because you're fucking using someone else's ideas right yeah that's true you must have some ideas but it's possible that it's an ego purchase that a bunch of guys got together wouldn't be awesome if we own the ufc and they find out okay what's the revenue every year they make x amount per year you know so look if we put the UFC. And they find out, okay, what's the revenue every year? They make X amount per year.

So look, if we put together X amount of billions of dollars, they have Fight Pass that brings in a fuckload of money now. Fight Pass has a lot of members, and they're paying, I don't remember how much. I'm a member of Fight Pass. I don't remember how much I pay, but I think it's like $9 a month or something like that. Does that make sense? For sure gives to Joe Rogan for free.

I just pay. I pay for a lot of things. I don't mind paying. Yeah, I hear pay. I pay for a lot of things. Yeah. I don't mind paying. Yeah, I hear you. I buy my own on it supplements. I don't. Well, you're sponsored. Yeah.

But I think that if they were smart, they would see that there's a lot of value in it. But is there enough value to come up with $4 billion to pay for it? I think there's one way to look at this where someone might say, all right, they've been running it like the Gula Boys Club. What happens if we did make this a legit league, like you have a commissioner and you have a fighters union? What if we ran it like that? Oh, you don't want to have a fighters union if you want to make money i'm just saying i mean you're gonna

if you're gonna buy you have to have a different idea you know i'm saying you can't just run it as it is yeah you can you couldn't let's go silly purchase yeah you do the exact same thing and maybe with buying it you can nullify the Reebok deal. Someone might just fucking hate Reebok. It's like, I'm going to buy it just to get rid of Reebok. You just keep doing the same thing. It's not a bad idea. If I had four billion, I might do that shit. I think Reebok might buy it to do that.

They might be going like, what have we done? Can we just get out? Did someone else take this over? Everybody's so mad at us. So mad. We've never had so much hate. We haven't seen a kit in years on the streets. Well, there was issues with the CrossFit folks, too.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know one of the dudes, Andy Stump, was involved in that. The CrossFit organization. Ian Edwards was talking about it. He doesn't even know UFC. He's like, who the fuck is wearing Raypods? I'd beat this R Reebok thing to death.

I didn't bring it up, but we were talking about Kendrick Lamar. I was like, yeah, he's sponsored by... I was trying to say something positive about Reebok. I'm like, yeah, at least he's sponsored by Reebok with those Reebok classics. He just stops everything. Who the fuck is wearing Reeboks these days? I was dying. Dude, he killed me.

I was dying. Ian's hilarious. Smart dude. He's a very smart dude. He was dying. Dude, he killed me. I was dying. Ian's hilarious. Smart dude. He's a very smart dude. He's been trying to get me into soccer. We tried so hard. You gotta wait for FIFA. I mean, for the World Cup

to really get into it. We tried a few times, man. He sits me down. The hero going on is pretty close. Yeah? It's pretty close. It's still going on, too, if you're gonna catch the wave.

What we're thinking about doing, Jamie, is we're gonna do, like, if you're going to catch the wave. What we're thinking about doing, Jamie, is we're going to do a fight companion, but a game companion, and have Ian and me come down here, but I'm going to be. For soccer? I'll just tell you right now, I'm going to be so high, I'm barely going to be able to talk. For me to watch soccer and really appreciate it. I'm a fan, but it is a slow sport, son. For a companion, it'd be tough.

I'm going to be sitting up here with these jumbo sprays, the breast crank. What is that? Exactly. Just doing some weird shit. It's the end of the world. Yeah. I took 10 of these accidentally. Let me see it.

Not even accidentally. I did it on purpose. 1,000 milligrams of THC. Damn. No worries. No worries. No worries. You can go deep. Peppermint spray.

It's legit. It's some new shit. Gives you minty breath and puts you on Pluto. Does. Puts you on Pluto. Right there. You would need that for a soccer companion. Slightly above Pluto.

That's not a bad idea. Yeah, you need it. You can't really just go au natural. You start freaking out. Even I would do that for a bad idea. Yeah, you need it. You can't really just go au natural. You can't, you know, you start freaking out. Even I would do that for a soccer companion. Would you? Yeah, that's a long companion. And there's like, there's not a lot of excitement.

You like the edibles to go to sleep, right? Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people like those. Well, you know what? Not edibles anymore. The vapor pen to sleep. Oh, really? Edibles were giving me a, like, I almost felt like groggy in the morning.

Really? Yeah. Huh. Maybe you the morning. Really? Yeah. Huh. Maybe you just went too deep? Maybe. What milligram edibles were you taking? I don't know. Not the Joey Diaz shit.

Nobody did. There's literally just one hit from the vapor, and I'll sleep like a baby. Yeah, I can't do those. Because I can't shut my mind off. Joey Diaz style ones. Jamie doesn't get affected by them. Jamie- Superpowers.

He's got superpowers. He's got some super resistance. At all. It's not a good one to have. What a terrible superpower. Edibles, apparently, and this is not uncommon, because Mike Schmidt, who was my guest yesterday, apparently has the same issue.

He doesn't... Edibles do not affect him. Mike smokes a lot of weed, so maybe that has something to do with it, but Jamie does not get... But you tried Tums. Someone told you. I ate three Tums and then gave it like a half hour to try to set in

and then tried a 150 milligram cookie. Where did you get the idea of Tums? Is that on Twitter? I've never heard of it. I've asked lots of people before. That's some pothead shit. Different potheads, different nutrition. I think I even asked Ronna Patrick when she came in one time if she had any idea.

You wasted her time. We had five minutes to kill. God dog. I figured I'd ask. She was like, what? I know. She might have just said, I have no idea. I don't remember what her answer was.

But I've never heard the Tums acid thing with the 11-hydroxy metabolite. Yes. It might have a thing. I also asked my dad, who's been eating it for a long time, since the 60s, 70s. Him and your dad being high? Yeah. Dad's been going deep. He said it could be from the 70s. the 60s, 70s. Him, your dad, being high? Yeah, well. Dad's been going deep. He said it could be

like from the 70s to the administration. 70s, god damn. No, he's a hippie guy. Yeah. But like his sister who'd be my aunt also doesn't have

any reaction to it. What a shitty superpower. I don't know if it's a genetic thing. Could be some weird DNA switch that's not on at all. There's no advantage.

My mom and my stepdad are in Boulder right now and they're retired. They're doing the world off. There's no advantage. My mom and my stepdad are in Boulder right now. They're retired. They're doing the world tour. They're going everywhere. They live in Mexico, and they travel all over the place.

They're living a beautiful life in their retirement. I love it. Anyway, they made my mom wait in the car because my mom didn't have her license on her. She went to a pot store. They went to a pot store together. In Mexico? No, in Boulder. In Boulder. My dad went in with my mom, went to a pot store together in mexico no in boulder in boulder and my dad went in with my mom and my mom had to wait in the car they go bitch you gotta get out

of here really you don't have your id what they're so they're so even though it's legal she's in her fucking 60s and they're like yeah no we don't trust you got it wrong in tight shit man you never know they're not crazy like you don't have you you don't trust you. Got it wrong in tight shit, man. You never know. Isn't that crazy? Like, you don't have your ID. So you got to wait in the car, ma'am. That is weird at 60. She's a grandma. That is weird at 60.

I mean, obviously, she's over 21. I've seen them get denied at like a liquor store and get pissed. That's so funny. That's ridiculous, man. It's so funny. Yeah. I mean, unless you have some crazy disease, it makes you look like a grandma. But even then, if you do, you should let them have their pot and their booze anyway.

Can they get shut down, though? Like if someone came and was like, let me see everyone's IDs. Boy, I guess. I mean, I guess you could. But you would have to prove that they weren't the right age. You would have to be selling someone underage. All my mom would have to do is go to her hotel room and go, hey, fucko. She's from 69 years old. Also, no cop's

going to be like, ma'am, are you sure? Yeah, they're going to look at her. Sure as fuck not 21. Yeah, she's going to go, whoa, I didn't know. Have you been in some of those weed shops in Denver? It's like the iPad store. It's awesome. It's ridiculous. I'm a big fan of legalization. Obviously. Obviously. Yeah, obviously.

Montana, where I was just at, apparently they just, in August, a new draconian measure kicks in. And they're trying to put the kibosh, all those fucking ranchers and cowboys out there, they're trying to put the kibosh on the pot movement out there. And what they've done is they put like some heavy restrictions on the amount of people that doctors can prescribe marijuana to the amount of people that caregivers can prescribe it to or dispense it to like if you're a caregiver you can't just oh like in LA perfect example I have a license I go to a store that might serve fucking a thousand people who knows it might serve more than a thousand you go in there and there's just tons of people all over

the place everybody has prescriptions and it doesn't matter but in montana they're making it pretty difficult you better have a legit reason yeah well we're staying we're staying at this hotel called the element in bozeman and right across the street was this pot shop and i was looking i was like perfect right there and then i'm like oh i wonder what kind of restrictions they have so then i googled it and like oh boy it's about to come down on them well but the thing with montana didn't denver set the blueprint like we people are getting rebate like tax rebates denver's like we have too much money we cannot store it just give it to to the people. These ranchers, they don't even read in the newspaper. They get smoke signals.

They're barely paying attention to what's going on in the rest of the free world. God damn it. I don't know who's doing it. I don't know who's voting. There's just a lot of people that have this idea that pot smokers are dumb and lazy and a problem. And they don't understand. There's a lot of pot smokers like you or like me that work hard as fuck and are just adults. And we want to be able to do whatever the fuck we want to do.

Don't go to Venice Beach because they ain't going to help you cause it. One of those doctors, I went in there to talk to one of those doctors like, this is so fucking shady and everyone in here is a loser. Well, Fitzsimmons was talking to me about the last time he was in Denver. He's like, there's a few too many kids playing hacky sack on the street. They have a point there. Some. But you can't generalize everybody. Well, when you get a place like Denver, the problem is it becomes a magnet to people that

are attracted by legalization. A lot of those people are, they're listless or drifters. Sure. Or they're people that are, they're, they're a trail. This is going to be the place where I could be me, man. Whereas if it was legal everywhere, they would stay where they are. Yeah. They just got you.

Yeah. They wouldn't have to go somewhere to get pot. So if you, if you like, you should keep the natural ecosystem of losers in all their natural environments. But when you have one place, it's the only place where they can get pot. And bitches are all over Denver and Venice. since it's the only place where they can get pot. And bitches are all over Denver and Venice.

I wish there was a way you could give people an understanding of what motivation and discipline can reward you with. Like, I really do. What do you mean? Understanding. You don't think social media, Instagram, and seeing you commentating stuff like that does that for people? Maybe to some. Like, it makes sense, John.

But I mean some people that are just like say let's put it this way say if you had a kid obviously you do have a kid but say if you had like a 20 year old and he's just a fucking doper where he wake and bakes and doesn't get anything done he's just always like hanging out with his friends and playing video games and he's just a fucking loser i wish there was a way you could show someone like that. Like, I know that you're getting some comfort and satisfaction out of just laying around, doing nothing, eating, getting fat. But your life would feel better and richer if you had a goal. You chase that goal.

You accomplish some things. You would get this boost of confidence. You'd get this boost of self-esteem. Like, whatever it is that you're into doing. Maybe you're into drawing comic comic books maybe you're into now but making fucking pottery or sculptures or who but find whatever the fuck that is and pursue that instead of doing nothing like the people that are doing nothing those are the real people look doing something might be as simple

as like that Alex Honnold guy he just climbs rocks but he's world-class rock climber it's something but and it's also a goal of his and he's also the best at it yes yeah but those those people who smoke pot all day and do that those are also the guys who hate on joe rogan for being in shape you know i'm saying or being disciplined or get on kevin hart's instagram and hate on you know i'm saying because they don't it's their own insecurities. I see what you're saying. But I would assume they would get motivated by seeing other people do something with their lives. Like that should be motivating, not discouraging. Yeah, but if you grew up with losers and you're around a bunch of people with shitty attitudes, especially if it's in your household, I was very lucky that both my mom and my stepdad,

they're the least hater people I've ever met in my life. They're just not haters in any way. Like if someone's doing well, they're always like, wow, look at this guy. Or like, wow, look at her. Or wow, look at him. There was never any hate in my house in terms of other people's success. But if you grew up with a dad and your dad's like, yeah, these fucking, all these rich assholes, this fucking pussy, you think she's a badass and this fucking,

you know, there's people that look at other people's success. And instead of saying, wow, that guy did a lot of work. Like the way I'm a successful person, but the way I look at Kevin Hart, he exhausts me, you know, or the rock, those guys exhaust me. I'm like, Jesus Christ, like, I feel lazy next to those guys. Like, they do so much. Like, those guys are so overbearingly ambitious, you know. But some people, they see that and they compare themselves and they don't like it, so they start getting really shitty. And it's like a natural feeling to try to chip away at that person. Fuck that little Kevin Hart.

I'll fucking smack him in his mouth. I see him. First of all, he's not fucking funny. And fucking funny and you see like the mean nasty shit that people say to him like um he went back and forth with some woman on instagram was saying that his girlfriend is only with him for his money it's hilarious like just it's amazing that he decided to engage yeah he said his what he was like, just got done running. Now he's doing all that run. I just bought his shoes by the way. He has his own Nike shoes.

I'm like, I got to support that. I need, I need new trainers. So I bought them. Jesus Christ. But, uh,

yeah, so he's on there. Don't even pull up a picture of those. You son of a bitch. Look at him. Jamie got all excited. They're dope though. Okay.

Let me see. They have like his motivational quotes on him. I was like, I have to support this. You got to, a guy doing his fucking thing. But yeah, he's talking about he's on there and he's like, the only reason, because it was a picture of his, you know, his fiance or something like that.

It's like the only reason why she's with you because you're famous and because you're money. Look at that. Look at that shit. Health is wealth. Wait a minute, that's not his saying. Yeah, it is, dog. Aspire. Work.

Hustle hard. Hustle hard. Yeah, all over his shoes. You're going to see my ass on Instagram. I'm just going to work in those things. They are Kevin Hart shoes. It says Hustle Hart on the tongue. That's hilarious.

Inside it says Kevin Hart. That's hilarious. How can you not appreciate that? You got to appreciate what he's doing. I mean, all over the fucking shoes. I mean, look, if anybody gets those and it makes them work a little bit harder and they achieve more success because of that, fuck yeah for them yeah i just support them it's legit he's doing box jumps and shit look at him there there you create this huge movement man any town

he goes into he does all these 5ks and 10ks and all that shit it's pretty cool he's a smart dude man he's smart he's motivated he's positive you gotta love it i just had a uh a talk with a mutual friend of ours where we were talking about work and i said it's all relative because we look at you look at i used you i used uh a bunch of guys who are in the same field and it's like you look at the amount of work they're doing compared to what you're doing and it's just i mean work man like i think our definition of work is completely different because i think someone might look at joe rogan and say all right he sold out this theater he's doing this ufc thing but you didn't start there like it's overwhelming if you look at the huge picture of uh the body of work

of a guy who's successful but he started just like you did somewhere man right but people see that and they just get shut down because too much of a of a hill to climb. Yeah, they look at it in terms of like, I will never sell out 50,000 people in Philadelphia like Kevin Hart did. So fuck this. Kevin didn't start there, though. Kevin started just like you did. Didn't have shit. Yep. He is just a guy that is just on fire with his energy and his power.

He's just got a lot of passion and drive it just goes and he also he reiterates that work ethic reiterates it all the time i work hard you know me you go to his twitter account it says like my name's kevin hard and i work hard like that's like hashtag rock star shit big big part of who he is so i think you know some people just they don't understand that that if you just keep doing that, it does pay off. And so they just get overwhelmed. And again, they start hating. It's hating.

When I was listening to the Joe Schilling podcast, he just came off that loss. I meant to reach out. I text you and I meant to call him. But he was focused on it and he's given that power. It's like, Joe, you're doing great shit, man. Anyone who's doing successful stuff, even though you joe you're doing great shit man anyone who's doing successful stuff even though you lost you're still one of the baddest men on the planet you mean like the hecklers and the haters yeah like like that that that stuff it comes with the

territory man if you weren't doing shit they're not gonna hate on you so so giving them power and acknowledging that it's just a bad like you're gonna deal with that whether you won or lost man like it comes with the territory yeah it's just one of those things i mean he's uh especially because he's this powerful guy's wild ass kickboxer who winds up losing so it's an opportunity for the losers to feel like they're more of a winner than him because they didn't get knocked out yeah yeah i meant to reach out don't i forget he's fine he took it it way better than he did the last fight. The last fight, he lost the same dude. It was a lot tougher for him.

Yeah. Yeah. He gave a great point, though, how he was saying, like, that's his fighting style. He likes to go out on his shield. Yeah. There's guys like that, man. Well, he does, man. I mean, that is how he fights every single fight.

He fights like a wild man. It's his shit. There's a reason why he's one of the best in the world. He's an exciting guy to watch. I mean, if you're looking for a guy to be the brand name or the, you know, the figurehead for your organization for Bellator kickboxing, you want an exciting guy, that's your fucking guy, man. He's your guy. Yeah. And the thing about Joe is, like, he's not fucking guy man he's your guy yeah he's he's and the thing about

joe is like he's not a loud like flashy guy like he's almost i mean he's a quiet like introverted type of dude you have conversation with him you know what i'm saying yeah in a lot of ways yeah he really is he's like a reserved dude so is kevin ross kevin ross another good example of a great really example of a guy who would be a great like uh you know i keep saying figurehead but like what would be spokesperson or you know an example of a championship caliber fighter that you would admire you know and kevin fights very technical he's a really interesting guy to watch i really like the way he fights i like the way he puts combinations together like very very uh diverse attacks he mixes things up and twist things around on you and varies he switches up the speed of his attack you know the the thing with that would have to

happen for bellator but kickboxing in general especially joe shillings they just need to tell the stories where people are. Because his story's fucking cool and he's a good guy to get to know. But that story's just not getting out there. They also have to change the name. Ballantor. Get out of here with that. It's not helping. Enough. It's not helping. You tried it. You tried it forever.

It's probably holding you back. You don't think they're in too deep? No! No! What would you call it? Spike kickboxing. Spike MMA. But then Spike owns your kickboxing.

Spike owns it. Tough shit. Spike owns it already. Well, no. Bellator's a separate item. MMA on Spike. But then Spike owns it. It's just MMA.

You're going to have to do something like the UFC does, right? Like Ultimate Fighting Championship, like NFL, NBA. Viacom MMA. No, no. I just think the name is too dumb. It's tough. It's a tough sell. It's dumb.

Did you like Strikeforce? It's better. What? Strikeforce sounds ridiculous. Strikeforce. Strikeforce Elite. It sounds like a jet. It's silly as fuck. Combo Battalion. Yeahforce. Strikeforce Elite. Sounds like a jet.

It's silly as fuck. Combo Battalion. Yeah, it's a dumb name, too. You're right. Yeah, they all suck. UFC's the best. By far. It's the best name.

Ultimate Fighting Championship Dream. Pride was gangster. Pride was an amazing organization. But if you walk around with a fist that says Pride on it, people don't know any better. Oh, these days you need a dick in your mouth. I used to have a Pride shirt. I'm like, I can't wear that anymore. It's not relevant anymore. Well, I see people

with Pride shirts on. I give them fist bumps. Because you're balls deep in MMA. Go down West Hollywood with a Pride shirt on. Pride never die. Being free fucking. You know what I love most about Pride? I watched it a Pride shirt on. Pride never die. Being free fucking. You know what I love most about Pride? I watched it purely as a fan. I never, not just most because they had some of the greatest fights of all time, but also

because I got to enjoy it purely as a fan. Yeah, I agree. I never called any of those fights. Never was there live. Wasn't invested really. Yeah. You're just a super fan of it. I just got to enjoy it.

Just to enjoy it. Pure. And I think that's why we put on a pedal stool. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's pride. You weren't like breaking it down or anything. When it was coming up, I was just a fucking fan. I had a crow cop shirt on.

I was watching that shit. Just like enjoying the whole aspect. Do you remember watching some of them live? Where you had to get up at like fucking three o'clock in the morning? Fuck it. Because they were from Japan. It's so ridiculous, you know? And then I remember being at the one

in Vegas the first time I ever came here when Fader fought Coleman and I was just blown. I had this shitty suit on. I don't know why I was wearing a suit. I had a shitty suit on, shitty haircut. It was just like memorized by everyone. Mesmerized, not memorized. Oh my god. I remember I sawil barone and i thought it was fucking will smith right and he was a straight

dick to me was he yeah i was yeah because i was with my buddy uh clout i'm like oh let's get a picture with phil barone the new york badass which is ridiculous i'm all phil can i get a pic he turns around he is Age used to the gills Like just fucking what He's like you should call me a prick I'm like no no no I was so intimidated I said pic

He goes yeah let's do it Took the picture He's not even looking at the camera He's checking out some girl walking by It's just like this shitty picture I watched that Dave Manet fight the other day When he knocked out Dave Manet fight the other day when he knocked out Dave Manet.

Oh, dude. What a combination. He like pinned him up against the cage. He was unconscious and he's keeping him up with punches. With punches.

Just... He hit him with like four or five ridiculously hard punches in a row while he was out and he's standing up. Phil Barone.

Remember when he knocked out of marsuluev that badass russian dude who wound up being like a hitman oh yeah oh that guy just died from cancer in the pokey in russia yeah but there was uh some rumor that he was some hitman that he had uh turned to a life of. I feel like every Russian guy would hear that story. Remember Fedor's brother? It was like the tattoo on his back is Grim Reaper because he kills people in Russia. Grim Reaper holding a baby.

The most intense tattoo of all time. That was the most intense tattoo. Grim Reaper holding a baby. And he had some Russian mob shit that was tattooed like on his chest and his shoulders didn't he have a tramp stamp too yeah that's look at that terrible baby what in the fuck is that artwork ever that's all russian prison shit please don't tell me but he had some shit on his front shoulders that guy's in jail now yeah he's in prison right right yeah he's in jail so those things on his and his see those

he covered up the shit that was there to make that damn he has that but they have those all marked up those numbers those numbers that indicating that photo that's like indicating all the different tattoos go above far to the left the third one right there. Is that a prison shot? See, that shows what he got tattooed. I guess it doesn't. That just shows he's got a horse on his chest. He's got terrible tattoos. But he's locked up. That dad bod for that photo shoot.

See, that's what he used to have. See those things, those stars? Apparently those things have something to do with the russian mob or organized crime or something so he had them covered over with those designs see that's the original ones there and now they're those weird must be some serious shit if you had to cover them up where pride was like yo man we gotta cover these up i don't think pride wanted him to do it i think you know he probably just reached a turning point in his life where he's like, okay. But you don't get out, though.

I don't know. I mean, he's in prison, so. What's he in prison for, do we know? I believe it's rape. But of course. But of course. God damn it. Yeah. Yeah, who knows? You hear about Ryan Jimmel, man?

Fuck. Isn't that horrible? What a great guy he was. Great guy. Apparently got hit by a car, got out to check the damage, and whoever hit him ran him over. See, I heard something else. Maybe I'm off. Do you know, Jay? I heard he had an altercation inside a bar.

Oh. Then it continued outside, and the dude was in a monster truck, like just a truck lifted. And Jimmo and him were, he was the guy who hit him was in his truck. Then he backed up and ran over Ryan and then drove off. Maybe that's true. I heard, you know, right after it happened, I read about it online. Someone, I think I saw on Twitter, RIP Ryan Jimmo.

And I was like, no. I know, man man i couldn't believe it i went no and then um then i saw some reports and i think they probably didn't have all the data here it goes 34 year old jimmo was involved in a verbal altercation with two suspects before he was hit by the vehicle two men men in the truck, identified as Anthony Getchell and Jordan Wagner, immediately fled the scene soon after, but were eventually arrested less than a week after the incident. They were subsequently charged with second-degree murder and accessory after the fact to the murder, respectively. Ah, fuck.

Jim and I had just proposed to her, and they were on the way home from the movies. Truck began tailgating them. Oh, God. I think our stories combined make this thing. Yeah. So we took a left to let them go by. And now they're both, okay, what's going on?

First right at the parking lot, no clue where we were at. These guys pulled up real close behind Ryan, almost as if they were going to hit us. We both felt nervous. Ryan felt the need to do something because we didn't want them following us out of there. It was kind of scary. Something not right. Wow. To talk to them.

They were not nice guys when I came to get back. They said something else. He went back to talk to them. After the conversation, two men hit Joe and sped off. Fuck, man. Jesus Christ. Yeah, you know what, man? People are fucking crazy.

You never know. You never know. You just, for whatever reason, you cut somebody off and they're on meth and they just decide to run you over. She holds no hatred towards the men that killed Jimmo and is merely trying to remain positive through her moments of grief. Good for you, girl. Good luck with that. Wow, that's crazy. What a shitty situation, man.

Wow. Boy. That's heavy. You know, decisions that you make in this life, and that's a big one that people make, is fucking hostility behind the wheel. But I see it all the time. I was watching these guys real recently

just screaming and yelling at each other in their car. I'm like, this could easily end up in death. I gotta get the fuck out of here. These guys could easily get out and shoot each other or stab each other. See, I just assume they have guns, which might be a weird way to look at it, but it's a safe way. Literally, last night when we were driving through Venice, July 4th, the light turned

yellow. It's busy, so I'm in the way of them going the other way. And this dude's just like, move out the fucking way, idiot. And the people in the car, even my girl's like, what do you want me to do? You want me to yell back at them? For what? I don't give a fuck. Like, who cares?

Yeah, let them yell. Who cares, man? You never know. I mean, it's not hard to get a gun. It's definitely not hard to get a gun here in Los Angeles. Plus, if it's a little guy barking, there's a reason why he has that confidence. Well, usually they're just stupid. True.

But it's possible that he has a gun, too. But just the things like what we were talking about, the difference between being in a community where there's less people and people value people versus being in, you know, but then again, Jimmo lives up in Edmonton. That's not a crowded place. I mean, Edmonton's a city. It's a big city.

There's a pretty good amount of people up there, but it's not like Los Angeles. Sure. But you know what? A lot of people are drunk and they're doing drugs and there's all sorts of shit going on that's clouding your judgment. It's just sad. Yeah, it's a bummer, man. Yeah.

He was a good guy, really good guy very very friendly guy fun fighter to watch too yeah i think burt watson was the one who wrote r.i.p jim i was looking at because i followed burt on twitter really yeah what's burt doing just to switch it up he's um doing what he used to do with some other organizations. Oh, is he? Yeah. He's still doing that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a guy I miss. I miss that dude. Burt was the man. Yeah. Well, he still is the man. He's just the man somewhere else other than the UFC. True,

but you don't see him anymore. Did you stitch his back, right? Is he? Stitched around? I think so, in the UFC, right? Am I going crazy? I saw him at that Bellator. Me and him had a great combo. And he said he's back in the UFC? I thought I saw him. That would be nice if he was.

Watched so many fights. It could have been Bellator or UFC. Well, whatever reason he was in the UFC was ridiculous. He criticized the Reebok deal. Just like we just did. And I'm out of the UFC. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? What are you going to do? I don't have a stake in the game anymore. We're out of the UFC. What are you going to do? What are you going to do?

I don't have a stake in the game anymore. We're out of time here. What? It's 4.30 already. Damn, that was fast, son. We actually talked about the fights, though. We did. People didn't think we were going to.

It started off a little shaky. You had me rattled before with all the stuff that you were telling me before we started. I started off a little bummed out. I'm sorry, sorry man and we ended bummed out fuck man we ended with jimmo well rest in peace ryan jimmo you were a great man you're a great man yeah life goes on it's hard all right i was gonna promote a live show you just can't no do it promote it when is it uh firing the kid live in Phoenix, Arizona. You're going to get Brian Callen show up for this?

July 29th and 30th. Brian might be there. He's going to be there. He'll be there. I hear he's going to be there. I'll slap him. Are you guys doing Phoenix Live? Yeah.

LA Live, whatever it is? Yeah, Phoenix Live. That's a great fucking club. Oh, yeah. You're going to love it. I'm excited for it, man. It's fantastic. One show on the 29th, one show on the 30th.

Beautiful. TFATK.com. Yes. Tomorrow night, I'm at the Ice House with Greg Fitzsimmons, Tony Hinchcliffe, Duncan Trussell, and Ian Edwards. Woo! Damn. Woo!

And then Friday night, I'm at the Ca Theater at the MGM with Ian Edwards and Joey motherfucking Diaz. And we'll be back tomorrow with Milo Yian motherfucking Diaz. So, and we'll be back tomorrow with Milo Yiannopoulos. So until then, go fuck yourself. All right.