The Joe Rogan Experience - #824 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: July 21, 2016

Bryan Callen is an actor and stand-up comedian, and together with Brendan Schaub he also hosts "The Fighter & The Kid" podcast available on Spotify.

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Wow, man. We both went to Europe. Very cultured. Very cultured. Did you drink wine over there? Of course I did. Did you contact the sommelier and just let him know how much you know? No, I didn't need to because I was with a very rich friend.

So I just threw a dart at his cellar and I took out insanely good wines. Oh, he's one of those guys? Oh, forget it. I was like, and I was saying shit like this. I was like, oh, I smell nutmeg and pencil. Because that's what I've heard people say. Did they get mad at you? Yeah, of course they got mad at you yeah of course they get

mad at me and then i took a then i and i i sipped some white wine i went whoa i feel like i just got hit in the head with by a farmer i love saying dumb shit like that dude have you ever been to a wine tasting of course like one of those those like parties where they all get around and they all talk about it uh-huh you know know what I heard a sommelier say? He goes, trust me on this wine. I said, why? Because I was going to order our white wine. He goes, it's unique.

I said, well, describe it. He goes, it's like biting into a wet dog. I was like, hey, that's exactly what I feel like doing. Every time I see a wet dog. He was telling you that it's good? Yeah. Yeah. It's like biting into a wet dog.

People just say dumb shit. I mean, I like good wine. It tastes good. I like that. Yeah. But there's a, there's a part of me

that rejects the, the fucking, the nonsense so hard that I won't learn anything. As well it should. You should always reject that horseshit. But it's,

it's, it's so fucking pretentious. Of course it's pretentious. Think of most pretentious. I think it's most pretentious. You hear the way they describe it, it really holds your palate prisoner. It holds your palate prisoner, but here's the good news, in a velvet casing.

Speaking of velvet casings, I was at a restaurant once, a very fine restaurant, a very fine Italian restaurant, and a gentleman walked in with a briefcase with two bottles of wine and velvet in the briefcase. I had to resist the chimpanzee urge to leap over the table and smash him in his fucking head with that case. But here's the thing.

Here's the thing about that. Here's the thing. Here's the reason I support him because I'm such a freak for wine. You cannot send a thousand dollar bottle of wine. You can't ship it because a lot of times they put it in the hull of a ship and it comes through say the suez canal it gets hot yeah it might be 150 degrees in that hole not good and it's below it or above the boat water line you're in trouble so they fly that wine you can be fucked yeah you fly it but this guy he just was bringing it to a restaurant it's kind of a dick this kind of it's kind of a weird move when you bring your own food to a

restaurant. I agree. I mean, I guess it's a drink, but it's not like you bring your own tomatoes. Excuse me, could you tell the chef to chomp these tomatoes parallel with the floor? I've never brought my own wine. It's obnoxious. To the establishment. Yeah, it's weird.

It is weird. And then they have a corkage fee. They charge you to open your wine. Yeah, $35. That's an establishment. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. It is weird. And then they have a corkage fee. They charge you to open your wine. Yeah. $35. That's very reasonable. Well, especially if you're bringing a $1,000 bottle of wine. Yeah. But I don't understand why one wine, I do understand, but I don't understand why someone

is willing to pay. But I do understand it. I do because you want to be a part of that fuckhead club. Well, and if you're a freak like me and you like wine on that level, when you really pay attention, for me, I actually, I don't even know how to describe it. It's literally an experience, right?

I tell you, so my buddy, I went to see who's made more money than God. And this is why he's worth it. I don't know if I told you this. God has all the money. You know what I mean. No. He has as much money as Bruce Springsteen, almost.

Really? Probably. And know what I mean. No. He has as much money as Bruce Springsteen, almost. Really? Probably. And he's super rich. And I told you that he said, we're going to open this wine that Robert Parker gave 100 out of 100 and called it one of the wines of the century. Who's Robert Parker? Robert Parker is the critic who sets the standard. There are a lot of other critics.

I hate that you know that. Yeah, I know. I'm terrible. It really bothers me. I know. But when you see an RP, Robert Parker, and it has a 93, 94, 95, you're paying a lot of money. I want to hang out with Robert Parker. Well, he's a guy, and I think he's from Maryland, and he's an American dude, and he's got his taste.

It doesn't mean he's right. It just means he knows wine, and he set the standard. Now there are more people, but for the most part, when Robert Parker gives you wine in 95 or above. There he is. Look at him. Oh, my God. I want to hit him with a brick. Look at him. Hey, yeah. Oh, my God. Do you think he says snarky things when you go to dinner with him?

Well, he'll say, for example, the wine I was drinking, he called it a centurion wine, one of the wines of the century. Oh, God. So please don't try to buy it because you know you can't find it is he the tony hawk of wine connoisseurs yes he is because nobody knows anyone that skates other than tony hawk that's that's actually that's exactly who he is that's exactly who he is like the lance armstrong of wine yes and there are people who are trying to make their way and and real critics but for the most part he's still the man how much does that piss people off who ride bikes who who are really good,

and no one gives a fuck about them because they're not Lance Armstrong? There's one guy who won. There was Greg LeMond for a while. I remember he was also an American. We remember him. But nobody else. I think part of it's also because he was an American and so dominant. And it's not, you know, Americans don't watch bike racing.

I could never stand on the sideline and be like, 100 more miles. Keep pedaling. 100 more miles. Keep pedaling. You know, here's a water. Want an orange? I'm not that guy. Life is too short to watch a fucking bike race.

It's definitely too short to be watching on the sidelines, like waiting. That's how I feel about marathons. But Europeans are so different than we are in that sense. Europeans obsess over Formula One. They obsess over... That's different, though. Formula One is fucking wild. Yeah, it's wild.

You ever seen those videos they do from inside the cockpit of a Formula One car? Yeah. Whoa! It's crazy. But there's some lightning fast decision-making going on there. But when Senna died,

if you look at the streets of Brazil for his funeral it was something that you would never see in the United States if a great race car driver drove like say a great NASCAR driver you wouldn't see I think it was some crazy number of people that showed up in the streets of Brazil well the Brazilians are insanely nationalistic they love their country they're very very patriotic so when someone comes along like Senna who dominates something that's traditionally a European-dominated sport like Formula One, and he was a wild man. Yeah. You ever see that documentary on him?

I didn't. Look at that funeral. Wow. Look at that. And he was the guy who could have been a playboy, but he never really messed with girls. He was a samurai. He was dedicated. Yeah.

He was a samurai. He was dedicated. Yeah. He was like Zen. Well, his ability to shave milliseconds, you know, and just to take crazy chances and cut people off and, oh. Yeah. Jesus Christ. That precision. But that is something that I don't know anything about it,

but I'm sure when you follow it and that sort of those millimeters, those differences are what make everything, you know, when you have a cultivated sense, when you know what you're looking at and what you're looking for, it must be very enjoyable. Well, they have a deep connection with how much traction there is exactly on those tires. Feel it. Like they feel it kicking out. Like they literally say with race car drivers that you have to have an educated ass. Damn.

Really? Yeah. Your ass has to be able to feel when your car is breaking loose. Like, if you were a race car driver and you had a numb ass,

you'd probably be fucked. Wow. Like, if you had, like, sciatica or something, your ass went numb, which I would imagine would be a real problem with someone who sits down

all the time. Yeah. Like, truck drivers, right? They get sciatica all the time. But race car truck drivers, right? They get sciatic all the time. But race car drivers, it's so physical. You know, it's such a physical, they lose so much water. They lose like something like seven pounds of water or something in a race. Oh, I'd imagine.

Something crazy. They sweat like a pig. Yeah. It's hot as fuck. They don't have air conditioning in that thing. Yeah, they're just physically. There's a giant engine. They're flying down the road.

It's crazy. Oh, it's maddening. That's so interesting, though. You have to have an educated ass. Yeah. Because I think horseback riding, if you watch high, high-level jumpers, or dressage guys, it's the same exact thing. It's all feel.

Right. And it literally looks like they're doing nothing. So the difference between the best in the world and the number 300, you and I could never tell the difference, because they don't look like they're doing anything. Right. Literally, they look like, for me, they look like they're sitting upright, very still. That's why I could never tell the difference because they don't look like they're doing anything literally they're just they look like for me they look like they're sitting upright very still is where i could never ride a horse and just there's nothing going on but the details those little like where they place the micro how they micromanage that saddle and and the signals

they're sending to the horse with their hands their legs and their ass is a whole different thing that's so often the case though with things where things look effortless because the people that are awesome at them yeah do it so smoothly yeah that it just you know you can't appreciate it unless you you actually do it that's what i love about life that's literally what i love about you know and it sounds silly but you can touch a little of that in anything you do when you, you know, when you practice something you're not good at. So tennis, I always talk about tennis and boxing. Am I good at boxing and tennis? No.

Do I obsess over where my feet are? Do I obsess over my grip with the right? God, maybe the actual activity is secondary to how I love to work on the little details and get better through daily attendance, through daily practice, because something happens to me that reaches beyond that sport. So when I do something that I'm maybe a little afraid of, or maybe I'm not good at, it forces me to think in a way that informs the other things in my life that i make a living at i do better at stand-up i write better when i push myself in these other areas it's really interesting yeah it totally makes sense because i i think very difficult endeavors you know whatever it is that you're trying to do anything you fucking dance yeah if you were trying to be a

ballerina which i am are you yeah keep going. I thought you were done with that Ballet is my foundation, but I'm so passionate. I live I live just too much equator in me I live in my groin so I had to move to salsa and merengue Well people that get really get into jiu-jitsu say that as well Bourdain's been saying that a lot that you know getting into it is to him It's a lot like writing in some ways, or it's almost like a meditation. And it completely obsessed a lot, a lot of people that get into jujitsu become completely obsessed with it too. And it's for those same reasons.

Like you get obsessed, first of all, with how deep the rabbit hole goes. I think that's probably the same with tennis or with golf. It's most certainly the same. I've never played golf, but I know the people that play it. It's exactly the same thing. I talked to Will Durkee, Will Durkee, you know uh he won uh he took second in the uh 10th planet uh jujitsu tournament over in austin he's amazing he's a professional poker player as well and he was a d1 wrestler i think out of virginia and you know watching him um he lost to uh another guy who's really good but but

just barely and when you watch those high levellevel competition black belts, which I'd never seen, the subtlety, I don't even see what they're doing. I don't even see them tapping the guy. But he was talking to me about how much he loves games and why poker and jiu-jitsu inform each other. Well, you know Josh Waitzkin. Same thing. Same thing with chess and jiu-jitsu.

He's a jiu-jitsu phenomenal phenom. Well, he's trying to, I think he has a school where he teaches kids how to think. He teaches them how to learn through martial arts, music, and chess, I believe. And it's all kind of the same. It's kind of the same thing. It's kind of why I feel like a lot of times I do think there's a place for self-help and, you know, inspiration when you're young. But after a while, you know, just trying to get really good at something under proper tutelage, I think will teach you all of those things. Maybe. But there's a lot of people that just try to get

good at it. They never get good at it. That probably would do better if they had better pathways to think. Yes. If they learned how to, to well i think first what someone like tony robbins does because i've listened to a lot of his tapes when i was younger what i was all set to make fun of him because i was trying to write this uh parody on him and then i listened to him and i went oh this motherfucker knows exactly how my brain works i mean a lot of ways he simplifies and he has tools that helped help me Focus my energy and recognize Recognize certain patterns you have a nice certain unhelpful. That's very important is having

Pathways in your mind like abandoning negative thoughts concentrating on positive ones Abandoning nonsense concentrating I mean that's a lot of what traps are that people fall into like addictive traps Whether it's gambling or you know whatever fill in the blank Pornography like I was watching this whole thing the other day where people were coming out against pornography and pornography addiction like And they were talking about how harmful pornography is no no your fucking mind is harmful exactly pornography is people having sex and sex is awesome So shut up. There's a great, there's a dean. I'm tired of that. Well, you can simplify it this way.

There's a dean who said, I am not interested. It's less important what you think. What I want to know is how you think. Yeah. And you're talking about methodology. It's how, it's exactly what you're saying. It's how you think about life and how you think about things. it's exactly what you're saying.

It's how you think about life and how you think about things. So you may be a slave to certain pathways and learning how to reprogram your, your pathways is a way, way more important thing. So it's not so much that it's pornography. That's the enemy. Yes. It's, it's the methodology.

Pornography is just sex. And by the way, we're just talking about regular pornography. There's certain pornography that you go, okay, what the fuck is that for? Like, why does anybody need to see people spit in people's eyes and cum in people's noses and stuff? Like, there's a lot of really fucked up pornography. But I always equate that to, like, the same thing was, like, if you watch certain violent movies, it's almost like they are the product of the ramping up effect.

Like, every other violent movie that's come before them They've had to go further and further and further to the point where it's just totally ridiculous. That's exactly right I mean, it's not entertaining. It's not good It's just there It's a response to like taking it to the next level the guy who wrote the double helix quote-unquote for the for a serial killer for the making of a serial killer a guy named richard walter who's an fbi profiler brilliant guy he said that um serial killers will typically and this is from literally interviewing 20 000 30 000 prisoners uh many of whom were murderers violent criminals and he put together this profile which was that serial killers many times start with fetishes.

They'll start with, you know... Feet. Feet. Really into feet. Well, a lot of times it can be as innocuous as rubbing against people in public places. Oh. And then you graduate. Then that doesn't do it for you anymore.

And then you have to go into a store and cut leather jackets with a razor because you might get caught, but it's like skin all that stuff and and what he said was that you never once you get to one level you never can go back you have to go forward you don't see them go all right this is too much let me go back to rubbing against people on you say never i mean don't some people like is there people that are potential serial killers that go what the fuck am i doing my life i need to just i don't some people like, is there people that are potential serial killers that go, what the fuck am I doing with my life? I need to just. I don't know. Take yoga.

I don't know. I don't know. But I do know that there have been some studies about how less there are, I guess, a lot of serial killers or maniacs are doing less of that stuff because they can get more of it to a simulated environment Well, that was the argument that the Japanese had or some Japanese scholars had about pornography Is that Japanese porn is my might be wrong about this that it's more embraced in that When you look at like deviant behavior, it's more embraced and films and things like that And that sort of keeps them from doing it in real life Yeah, I would imagine that you can get satiated visually you have those those visual triggers they say that the triggers for fighting you know

when you watch mma there are a lot of those visual triggers for men that are similar to what pornography does to a man when we see two dudes kicking each other and knocking each other out we want to do it yeah or at least we can't take our eyes off it yeah we definitely can't take our eyes off of it um but i think that also it's possible that that could, like they say that about video games. Like the argument against video games has always been that video games encourage violence. But it shows that the actual facts show that the opposite is true. That video games actually get people involved in the violence of video games and it satisfies whatever weird cravings people might have for violence, which are, you know, left over from thousands and thousands of years of DNA,

of people being successful in violence, being rewarded for it. Violence was a way you survived. Think about hunting. Well, the Coliseum, man. I went to the Coliseum this week. Yeah, I've been there. Oh, my God. Yeah.

That is a fucking trip. First of all, I did not know that the Coliseum literally means next to the Colossus. I didn't know it was all about there was a Gigantic I think was a hundred and fifty foot high bronze statue of Nero that he had constructed Well, you know the entire Colosseum was Nero's house at one point in time. It didn't exist It was like there's like seven areas of Rome, like seven hills of Rome or something like that. And his fucking house was three of them. Damn.

His house had an enormous, I think it was like more than a hundred acre lake in the backyard of his house, a man-made lake. Wow. And that man-made lake, like to to drain it the drainage system to build that lake They're they're just discovering some of the areas of the Coliseum today So what they did is when they tore down his house They built the Coliseum for the people and it was like one of the biggest public buildings ever and they built it to Satisfy the people that were just fucking furious at this cunt

Yeah, taking over burned Rome. He was just insane. Yeah, Nero was just fucking completely insane But what they had done with his his structure was turn it into this Coliseum But it was right next to this enormous statue of him. Mm-hmm So when you say like the LA Coliseum, that's a stupid name, right? Because the LA next to the Colossus, that doesn't even make any sense. Yeah. But that's what Colosseum means. Right. It's wild

when you go to Italy and especially Rome and you're standing in structures that have been there for and were living and had, you know, people died on that it's kind of like the octagon, the original octagon you know. Well way more fucked up than that. Yeah.

Here's one of the things they found out just recently, like really recently, that they had boat fights. They would fill the bottom of the Coliseum with water. Wow. And they would have boats. Jesus. And they've literally just discovered this. this. They discovered some sort of artwork or some writing that indicated that these boat fights took place for a very short amount of time, like a couple of years. How do you do that? Fight each other with your oars?

They would have battles. Row! Row! They would have battles. Here it is. They would fill up... Powerful, Jamie. They would fill up the bottom with two meters of water, six feet of water, and have these boats and float these boats around. And they would fight to the death on boats. How the fuck would they do that? I guess the walls kept the water in. I guess it's-

How would they drain it, though? Well, they had a very complex drainage system. They showed the draining system to us. They take you on a tour, you know? And they were showing us the drainage system and also the system of raising the wild animals from the basement up through the floor. Yeah, how would they do that? They had this thing where they had a reenactment or a recreation of one that I took some photos of. I put one of the photos on my Instagram.

And these wild animals would be locked in these rooms, right? These small rooms. They would give them no food, no water, and they'd keep them there for days. So they'd be freaking out and starving. And then finally, they'd take them out of the dark. They put them, they forced them into this platform. And then they would have these slaves crank this mechanism that would lift the platform up through a trapdoor in the floor

so their first light in days and they would be out there with these gladiators and And the bottom floor like they had several levels and the bottom level was all the rich people But they fucked up and they didn't have the walls high enough So the Lions would leap 12 feet over the wall and just jack all these rich people. Jesus. Jesus Christ. Now the wall. Take it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like that San Francisco Zoo when that tiger jumped that 12 foot wall. Exactly. Yeah. Well, they had to figure out how to do it too because they would get these animals in there and most of the time they'd let the animals out and That animals would be just fucking scared. They didn't want to fight

Yeah So they they realized that by keeping them down there with no food and no water and getting them to a complete state of Desperation in hysteria that would allow them to ensure that when they pop that trapdoor the lions would come out and just try to jack People brutal yeah, they would kill everything they had elephants They had all sorts of crazy fucking animals. They had brought in from Africa, which by the way is not even a thousand miles away Yeah, I had no idea. I was so close to see you can see it. You can you know well You can see Sarah Palin. You can see Africa from Sicily. I believe you can see Africa from There you can see it? Yeah.

On clear days. Wow. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. It seems like too many miles. No, there are certain parts of, let me look at a map. I can't remember. That seems like way too far. There was one area you can see from Spain, from the tip of Spain maybe.

I think. I can't remember. Either way. Somebody will correct me. But kind of crazy. Sicily and Spain. It says you can you see it's like mountains or something yeah Wow that's crazy so crazy is that

that's that close it is what oh yeah yeah look look at how close it is wow it's really close yeah Sicily is not attached but I don't know why they have it attached that's really weird that's a shitty map yeah oh what yeah that's a shitty map yeah here's the view oh what yeah that's africa yeah you can see it's that close no wonder why the moors conquered sicily exactly they're right there it's not like they traveled no they got a fucking raft floated over they backstroked all the way over and jacked everybody but uh it's fucking beautiful it's so beautiful man man. Oh, yeah. God damn. The Amalfi Coast? That's where we went. We went there, too. We did the Amalfi Coast with the Vatican. The Vatican's

insane. Did you do the Vatican? I did. It's insane. First of all... It's one of the seven wonders, man. Well, the fact that you're walking around on this fucking tile that's 1,700 years old. It's incredible. And it all holds up. It's mosaic. Yeah.

I mean, beautiful artwork that everybody's walking on. Yeah. Like, the guy was explaining to us that, like, this is a 1,700-year-old work of art. Not only that, it was moved from somewhere else and reconstructed hundreds of years ago inside the Vatican. It wasn't even originally there. Damn.

I never, ever, I've been to St. Peter's Cathedral, I don't know, maybe 10 times because my uncle used to live there and he had a rent control department over the piazza nivona which is your uncle used to live in rome yes my uncle doing there my uncle was uh in in brooklyn new york in bensonhurst new york my uncle was a gay man uh he was very handsome. He was a diver. And, yep, and he was, but of course, he was an actor and a singer and a dancer. And of course, in Bensonhurst, you know, in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, in the, I don't know, let's call it the, what? 50s? 30s? 40s? When you were gay, you know, it wasn't, first of all, you were very Catholic, so that was already a sin.

Second of all, you weren't really that welcome. There wasn't a whole lot of gay pride. Everybody want to march? So he went to Italy. He went to Rome. Wow. Because he knew he could be accepted? Yeah.

Well, he found his little niche. He got into the theater company there and spoke Italian, of course, and had a course and lived for and he died at 96 and lived above the Piazza Navona in a rent controlled penthouse. He died from the Vatican. He didn't die. No, sir. I'm going to ask you to be a little more mature. We have a lot of people listening. Did not die from dicks.

But he was a he was a character, man. And he did lots of plays. Did you know that the Vatican owns the building that houses Europe's largest gay bathhouse? I did not know that, but I also don't believe you, because is that a matter of conjecture? No, it's fact. It's probably a bathhouse. No, it's the largest gay bathhouse in Europe, and the Vatican owns it. Not only that. No, it's the largest gay bathhouse in Europe, and the Vatican owns it. Not only that.

Oh, I see. I see. There's the cardinals or the bishops whose fucking office is right above the gay bathhouse. Conveniently. Conveniently. There's a fucking chute that just drops down. They own a lot of property. They just lube up their butt and drop down through the floor.

Look at this. Vatican plays landlord to Europe's biggest gay bathhouse. Catholic Church paid $30 million to acquire a building that houses a senior cardinal and a huge gay sauna. Nothing like that. How weird. So weird. I mean, I don't know why they would want to own that. I don't know.

Because you want to sweat while you get your dick worked? While you get your dick worked by strong man hands? That's all. The amount of artwork that is in the Vatican. Like, if you haven't been there before, like, I was not that excited about going to the Vatican before I went there. I was like, well, I want to see the Coliseum. Obviously, it's like one of the great wonders of history, like, that they had this thing there and that they did this. And then it's also, like, the ultimate sign of excess, you know?

Yeah. Like, the one thing that people point to when they talk about society it's falling apart due to excess it's the romans the romans they went crazy like it was also sort of what gave food to the reformation when martin luther this german jesuit priest said hey man all this money that's going to you know idolatry essentially like building these incredible statues and these incredible cathedrals, and we're starving over here. How about if we just read the Bible? If we just read the Bible, then maybe we'll be, you know, just as in favor with

God as you guys. And maybe we don't need a hierarchy of bishops and all these and popes and all this sort of rank and file that also needs a salary. That's also taking money. Well, Martin Luther was also the first guy to translate the Bible phonetically so that regular people could read it because everybody else was like, no one knew Latin. They couldn't read Latin.

That's right. So it was only these priests that we had to rely on to, to get the word of God from Martin Luther was like, that's ridiculous. But as luckily Martin Luther had such a high standing in society, they couldn't kill him. Right. They tried. He had to leave.

He was always on the run, but you're right. But if he was anyone else, if he wasn't a very respected, high standing person in society, they probably would have jacked him a long time ago. Yeah. There was already, I can't remember, I read a lot about it back in the day, but he was always under threat of that. He had to essentially, I think it was in Bittenberg. There's this phrase that people always associate with Rome called the vomitorium. And that's not what it sounds like.

Everybody thinks that they got there and they threw up and then they went back and ate again. That's not what they did. I always thought they did that. and they threw up and then they went back and ate again. That's not what they did. I always thought they did that. Yeah, no, the vomitorium refers to the way they got people out of the stadium. It had nothing to do with the word vomit.

The way the stadium is structured is this gigantic, that's a vomitorium, is the exit. So they had all these exits. They had a bunch of different doors all throughout the building. Like if you look at some images of the Coliseum, there's all these pathways. You would go 30 yards over, there's another pathway. 30 yards over, there's another pathway. And that allowed an efficient way of getting people. See, look at all the doorways.

See all those doorways all around it? That was an efficient method of getting people out of the stadium so they called it a vomitorium but like if you look the etymology of the word like look up the the origins of the word vomitorium and what it means in latin but it doesn't have anything to do with vomit but sounds like it so everybody was like oh they just fucking ate and threw up so people like sort of repeated that over and over and over again let They'd stick a feather down their throat. I'm sure someone did that. I'm sure there was some fat fuck that wanted to keep partying. That happens today. That happens right now

in Los Angeles. Fuck yeah. I just dated a girl who had a problem with that. So did I. Yeah. Vomitorium. Okay, here it was. A place which, according to popular misconception, the ancient Romans were supposed to have vomited. That's not true. The arch of a series of entrances or exit pathways in an ancient Roman amphitheater or theater.

Yeah. See, that's what it really means. So the popular misconception, the second version of it, but translate, use over time. What is the origins of the word, though? Like, what does that mean? Vomitoria is the plural noun. Huh. That's weird. That's the plural. Vomitoria is the plural noun. Huh, that's weird.

That's the plural. Vomitoria. Probably, you know, it sounds like it's where people would vomit out of, right? Yeah, but it's not vomit. It's like that's our word, but that's not like what they would call it. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like our word vomit is puke, but that's not what they were referring to when they were calling it a vomitorium.

It's just one of those weird Latin things. But everybody always thinks that. Everybody always thinks that that's what a vomitorium was. Like, can you imagine if there was a fucking house that people would go to throw up in? Like, hey, we're going to go to the vomitorium. Fucking puke. Like, what kind of assholes? Here's a feather.

But you would call it the puke house? Like, that is so ridiculous. The puke room. kind of assholes eat here's a feather but you would call it the puke house like that is so ridiculous the puke room vomitorium the puke room the sauna room what is the actual what does it say jamie it says here there's two misinterpret or where it might have came from the misinterpretation yeah but what is the original what does the actual word mean? Like vomitorium. It just sounds like it's the entrance. To spew forth. Oh, to spew forth. To spew forth! And I wonder if vomit actually came from that then.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. So the original thing was an exit and then vomit became that. Huh, that's interesting. It's kind of how language happens, right? Yeah, but that's, well, it's weird how it happens over thousands of years, how things distort and warp. Yeah, that's how, language is always changing. Yeah.

It's always changing. We're always making up our own languages. It's constant. Well, we were there, they had just found some new shit two days before we were there. They're constantly finding new passages underneath the Coliseum and new things. But the amount of work that was done in completing that building

and making those structures, it's insane. With free labor, which is why slavery isn't that bad. What? Wait a minute. How dare you? It's interesting that slavery

was the order of the day. It was for most of history. Most of history. But when you look at wage slavery today, there's no slavery today. But if you can imprison people in a state of poverty, and it's not against their will, voluntarily, you get people hooked on buying things and you get them hooked on credit. So they need to work. They constantly need to work.

And then they're in these jobs that are completely dead-end, low-wage jobs. They can't go anywhere. And then they perform these menial tasks until we figure out robots that can do those tasks far better and far more efficient. It's not slavery because they can quit and leave anytime they want. But in a lot of ways, it has the same effect. There's a difference, I think. There's a lot of differences. Yeah. I mean, I'm talking about there's a macro difference.

There is an idea that has gained great traction, and because ideas move really slowly sometimes, but there's an idea that has gained traction in most of the world, and even in parts of the world where it isn't, they try to defend it as it being so. And that is the idea of universal human rights. Universal human rights was not an idea that was embraced by most of the world, even as far back. Probably you can make the argument as 1940. Slavery was alive and well. Think about this country in itself. This country until 1964, was it, where there was separate but equal?

The idea that you had black and white water fountains. A hundred years before that, which is nothing. Slavery. That's right. And so the idea that, and of course that had to be defended along biblical grounds and all these kind of shoddy ideas, but the idea of universal human rights, even though the Judeo-Christian ethic and even Islam talked about sort of everybody being of the same moral worth because we're all from the same father,

right? That's the monotheistic notion and where value comes in those religions. We're all the same as long as you, you know, read the Bible and follow these tenets. But universal human rights is something a little bit different and it's a modern concept. And that likes a germ theory, the idea that these things you can't see, but you still have to wash your hands or you can spread bacteria and things like that. Those things that move very slowly. But that is, I think— How are you connecting those two? I'm just talking about how both those ideas are ideas that took a long time to gain traction, you know, even though they were good for us.

But let's stick to universal human rights. Yeah, let's stick to, let's stick to, um, universal human rights. Yeah. I think that that idea, I think that idea is, is just that mindset. Yeah. And the fact that you have to defend it as a society is why there's such a stark difference between, I understand what you're saying by being at bondage to your lifestyle,

to having to make a living because you got people to depend on you and stuff like that. I don't think that I'll ever go away, but, um, there's such a, oh, that could definitely go and stuff like that. I don't think that'll ever go away. But there's such a... Oh, that could definitely go away. You don't think that'll go away? I think that could definitely go away the same way slavery has gone away. I'm optimistic. But what I'm saying is that there's...

I think when I'm... Slaves have zero dignity. In fact, there's no... Somebody one time, a historian said, there's no such thing as a slave. There are people in bondage. So anybody who is a slave, you're not a slave, but you are a person in slavery, right? So he posed this question. He said, when did the civil rights movement begin in this country?

And everybody's like, well, in Selma, Alabama in the 60s and the 50s. No, he said, no, no, no, no. He said, the civil rights movement began the first day that an African American was brought to this country against his will. Any human being doesn't want to be in bondage. You are always trying to get out of bondage. And there is that the civil rights movement? That's the first day that someone's brought to the United States against their will. That's not the first day that someone enacted some sort of a civil rights movement. Well, what he was saying was that everybody is always fighting for dignity and their own sovereignty and their own civil rights. Regardless of where they are, if you put someone in bondage and you make them do things against their will and you take their dignity away, they are immediately beginning the struggle for their own freedom. sort of a new way around that, that instead of having people slaves, like literally bonding them, putting them in chains, keeping them against their will, instead, you just set up these honey traps and you allow people to get sucked into these things like having

massive debt from student loans and making credit cards easy and allowing people to mortgage a house they can't really afford, knowing full well that eventually the bank's going to foreclose on this and reap some sort of a profit, and that all these things, this is where conspiracy theories fall into play, that all these things are set up to enact a modern form of slavery, and that there's always going to be people that are taking advantage of people below them and putting them in very disadvantageous situations for their own gain. I would say that that's literally the state of nature. And what I mean

by that is that let's just take, for example, the marketplace. If you just let people go, let people do their thing. They are going to, for example, there's going to be a marketplace for differences of opinion. This is what I mean. There's a company. It's going to be a marketplace for differences of opinion. This is what I mean. There's a company. It's about to start up. You start a company. I don't know what it is.

Let's just say it's a gadget. And you're going to have groups of people on this side that are going to say that's going to be the next big thing. Joe Rogan's company is going to be the next Apple. And you're going to have a bunch of other people on the other side who are going to go, you know what? Not a shot. And here's why. So you have these differences of opinion. There's a marketplace. There's a marketplace for what essentially is a derivative or a swap. There's a marketplace there where people say, I will bet you, where people say, I will bet you, I will short that. I will basically say, I'll buy it at this price right now,

and I'll sell it to you. And if it goes up in value, you pay me the difference. That's how marketplaces work. So for me, capitalism is just a bunch of people with different opinions who are trying to make money, who are coming up with ideas. And if you create a society where you can enforce contracts and make people keep their promises, and you can ensure that people have what's called property rights, which is really important, you know, courts essentially that have integrity that

can't be bought off, then that's, as far as I can see, what you'd call a free market capitalist society. And it seems to be better than most of the other sort of systems that require central oversight. And not because central oversight is such a bad thing. I just think it's impossible to control the way people think on such a macro scale. I think it's very- Well, I don't think you have to control the way people think. Well, or behave. Or behave or barter.

Well, yeah, I get it. And I see what you're saying about capitalism, and I see what you're saying about society. But I think that all these things, when we point to ancient Rome, we point to how fucked up their world was and slavery is recently is a couple hundred years ago I think what we're saying is things are getting better We're evolving we're figuring out a way to make a society that is more beneficial to more people But still not to everyone and then the point is is it possible to create a utopian society? Where it's beneficial to virtually everyone? And then the way to do that, the only way to do that is like, here's a good example.

People love to tout socialism as some sort of a cure to what ails us. That somehow or another, that if you people and you you give everybody money and you everybody shares wealth equally But the problem with that cuts out incentive incentive for madness and excellence and the Incentive for madness and excellence is why you have Tesla motorcars and Elon Musk and all these fucking jobs Steve Jobs Steve Jobs is a fucking maniac. Yes. He was a funny Probably bad dad. Probably. Probably a shitty guy to work for.

Yeah. You know? Probably a total asshole. If you did something wrong, if you put a one instead of a zero in a line of code and the fucking phone crashed when it hit a thousand emails or whatever, he'd probably beat the fuck out of you. I mean, he's a maniac. Yeah. But it was because of him that we have iPhones.

Well... It's because of that kind of madness. 100%. How many iPhones have you bought that were made in Russia? How many cars have you bought that were made in Russia? Exactly. But Russia's a fucked up example because it's not really socialism.

It's really communist dictatorship. Well, now it is, yeah. Well, it kind of was, and then it wasn't, and then it was again. It never really recovered. Well, the Russians, I think their problem is they have one idea of power, which is, biggest guns, divert your eyes in my presence. How fucked up is it that Russia is getting kicked out of the Olympics? Yeah.

Are you paying attention to this? Yeah, of course. They're fucked. They're going to kick the whole team out. The whole Russian team. Cheating is so systemic. It's so systemic. It's state sponsored.

Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, they've got the KGB apparently, or what used to be the KGB involved. Well, then they have this one woman who's a whistleblower who's going to compete independently without a nation. How long before they kill her? I know. Good luck with that bitch getting a fucking bottle of water. That's Russia's problem.

Russia's idea, there are two types of power, right? There's the power where you can't stop staring at somebody because they have prestige and you want to be like them. That's a power that you can use for good. If you have all those eyeballs on you, you can say, hey, guys, I know you're all looking at me and you want to be like them. That's a power that you can use for good. If you have all those eyeballs on you, you can say, hey guys, I know you're all looking at me and you do this all the time. How many people download this podcast? You're very aware of the responsibility that comes with. So you do two things. You try to keep it really honest and true to yourself, but you also try to have really smart people on who have different perspectives. So you can kind of figure out a way to get those ideas out into people's heads.

That's one form of power that I would consider a positive use. Then there's the Russian model of power. Well, it's not power. It's influence. Uh, you, I would, I, I think they're very closely related. I think they're joined at the head. Well, they don't, it doesn't control anyone. That's the difference between like the power that Putin has and the power that the nerdist has. Well, so, so, so, so exactly. You just use the word. So there's the difference between the power that Putin has and the power that the nerdist has.

Well, so exactly. You just used the word. So there's a difference. So there's power that controls and there's power that inspires. And I think power that inspires is what this country needs to keep in mind at all times. That's the power. Look, you always need power. You need guns and stuff.

They're crazy people. You need a strong military. Well, I think the difference is you're using a blanket statement, like power. It's like the word drugs. Like caffeine's a drug, so is meth. You know what I mean? There's power, and then there's influence. But there's things that are powerful, and then there's things that have power over people.

Exactly. To control people, and then people can't do anything about it. Exactly. That's a difference. That's right. So the word power, the problem is can't do anything about it. Exactly. That's a difference. That's right. So the word power, the problem is the use of the word power. But remember, also, the mindset. I believe that Russia, which is such an amazing group of people,

they could do anything they wanted, and a strong culture. But I think the mindset of Russians, and in many ways maybe it's not their fault, maybe it's a product of their history, I think the mindset of Russians, and in many ways maybe it's not their fault, maybe it's a product of their history, their mindset is that they admire the first example of power, control, and strength, and dominance, more than they admire the power that influences and inspires, things that are powerful. So they're like Trump supporters? I think so. I think so.

They're Putin supporters. They like a strong man at the helm. Doesn't Trump like Putin and Putin likes Trump? Yes. That's probably not good, right? I would imagine no. I haven't been paying attention to the Republican National Convention, but Jamie did. But I am paying attention to the fact that this is what I like about all this stuff.

What I like about all this Trump nonsense is it's shown how vulnerable this system is to fuckery. That a madman can come along and just take over the whole thing. Did you see what his fucking biographer said? Yeah, he had deep remorse, right?

Deep remorse. And he said that if Donald Trump becomes president and has the key to the nuclear football, he said he literally could be the end of civilization. He said the book should have been titled instead of The Art of the Deal, should have been titled The Art of Sociopath. I believe it. Or the

words of a sociopath or something along those lines. But his take on Trump was that he's a total sociopath. It's not surprising to me. I mean, he's certainly a narcissist and maybe they're the same thing in some ways. He's got a got a hot wife though he's he's got a hot wife he's always bringing things back to himself and he just he just lies at his convenience he's just it's unbelievable do you know that he's been sued something like 3 500 times i believe that when you have a huge company that happens a lot. So that's that's that's not as

Surprising to me what but like by waiters and stuff. Oh, yeah Well, you know his creditors a lot of people that invested, you know people that did work for him never got paid A lot of the companies that he started Went bankrupt, you know, we talk about him being this university. Well, yeah, we talk about him being this great businessman I don't know that we have a lot of evidence. He's done a good job creating a brand that's worth something. So if you put it on a hotel, it comes with, in your mind, you think of high quality, prestigious, nice bedding. Or if he has a building, it's the Trump Tower.

Well, isn't it also interesting that he took the name Trump? tower well isn't it also interesting that he took the name trump because like i believe trump card that expression trump card was there before the name trump because his last name is drum yeah drum that's his actual last name i saw john oliver talk about that his real name well i mean there's nothing wrong with the name drum i mean shit arnold schwarzenegger became famous as arnold schwarzenegger i mean he's got the goofiest fucking name ever, and he smashed it with that name. In America, you can get away with it. Why couldn't you be Drumpf? There's nothing wrong with Drumpf.

It doesn't mean anything. I remember being amazed that the United States voted a man by the name of Barack Hussein Obama in. When we, our public enemy number one was, you know, Osama bin Laden. Phonetically, they sound very similar. Oh, yeah. Well, how about Hussein? We were also enemies with Osama bin Laden. Phonetically, they sound very similar. Oh, yeah. Well, how about Hussein? We were also enemies with Saddam Hussein. Exactly.

It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, he had a goofy-ass fucking name for a guy to be elected president. But that's why I give Americans a lot of credit. I think Americans are, you know, if you listen to Europeans talk, they're always marveling at how, quote-unquote, dumb Americans are. I don't think Americans are dumb, and I think Americans in a lot of ways are very fair minded too. Well, there's that.

But there's also the fact there's a two party system where if you are on the left, you have to support whoever's on the left. That's why all these people are lining up to support Hillary Clinton and ignoring left and right. All the crazy evidence against her just being completely full of shit. She's corrupt. We, oh my God, we played this video the other day where they were showing the difference between what the FBI has said about her trial,

about them looking into the email server, the illegal use of the email server, the fact that top secret documents were shared, cut and pasted, and shared with people that did not have the status to be able to check those, and that multiple devices were used to access these and then compared them to what she has said about it. She's just a liar Yeah, she's a liar. He's a liar. She's a liar. What do you think? Why do you think she set that server up in her bathroom? What was the benefit of that? Do you think who the fuck knows?

Was it just convenience and was she told to do that? It could be that. It could be that she just didn't want anybody to have any oversight over her email. Makes sense. And she wanted to have a server in her home. Look, she deleted a lot of fucking emails. Thousands of emails. And you're not supposed to do that. Yeah.

Like, that's a part of that gig. Part of that gig is transparency. She skirted around that gig. I had Mike Baker in here from the CIA, former CIA operative who said flat-out if he had done the same thing He'd be in jail. Exactly. I would be in jail. No, he'd be in jail. He was discussing how this is just not done and everyone knows this.

This is like, this is not a woman who just stepped into politics for the first time. This is someone who's been involved in politics virtually her whole life. I read a good article somebody sent me, and I'll send it to you. I can't remember what the magazine was. It was a credible magazine. The journalist, he said, look, I have my point of view on Hillary. And he's not a left-leaning. I think he's probably more of a conservative columnist. And he said, and he went and he interviewed all the people that have worked with Hillary Clinton, for with and uh and even her opponents and it was really really really interesting to get the perspective he said

the one thing that they talk about is number one she doesn't feel very comfortable in front of it's not a natural fit for her to be in front of audiences talking but dude she's such a great speaker she's a great speaker the shrill way she talks! It's so nice on the ears! I think her voice is very grounded and strong like this. It's boxy. It's like her body. They did use words like they consider her to be funny,

thoughtful, and very intelligent. Now, that was an interesting... My eyes were a little bit open. I said, wow, the people that are close to her that have worked with her had more favorable things to say. And I'm not a Hillary supporter, but they had more favorable than negative, which I thought was pretty interesting. Because I never thought of actually interviewing people that have worked closely with her. Okay, stop right there.

These are political people. So think about what their job is, what they do for a living, and how to make it in that world. You have to be full of shit. you have like Hollywood yeah it's very much like I say something bad about somebody else cuz you never know if they're gonna be it's amazing it's the best I've ever read not only that he's an amazing actor she's amazing oh my god Ghostbusters the new Ghostbusters is incredible those girls are so strong they're such strong women it's my new thing it's amazing my new thing is the empowerment of women.

I love this new talk. It's not new either. She's totally empowered. She's totally embraced her nudity. Oh, God. She's bending over and arching her back and licking her lips. She's so empowered. She's brave because she's naked and fat.

She's so brave. All right. If she was brave, she'd get up at 4 o'clock in the morning and hit the gym before she went to the set. She wouldn't be fat anymore. Dude, I'll tell you what's great. People are angry at that Melissa McCarthy woman. They're angry that she's losing weight. Do you understand this?

I love it. They're angry that she's choosing to become healthy. So they're saying this is in direct contrast to who she was before, who we loved, is this fucking cartoonish fat lady. Yeah. And this cartoonish fat lady yeah and this cartoonish fat lady who we want to pretend is healthy yeah you know there's a fucking slew of people out there that have blogs out there talking about different things that are healthy about being fat and i went down a rabbit hole one night because some woman was writing she was this obese woman

and i was really sad when i was looking at her photos and you know people like to highlight things that people say about them on social media and you know like you know all these people are harassing her for being fat but she's putting out a blog right when you're putting yourself out there and you're putting a blog you're just gonna you put some honey out there you're gonna attract a certain amount of bugs there's just no way around that right but she was talking about different aspects of being overweight that are healthy. And there's one weird phenomenon where healthy people that catch a disease sometimes don't do as well as fat people that have the same disease. In the old days, they said you should have some weight on you in case you get a disease and you can fight it better. That was always the case.

What is that? How could that be true? I guess because maybe, and I'm just, this is bro science, but from what I remember reading, your fat can actually absorb or store more, I don't know, you have reserves when you're not eating and stuff. Your body will use the fatty acids for energy. Well, that makes sense. So your body gets in this state of burning fat rather than burning food.

And many times when people are sick, that's a huge issue. It's coming up with some form of energy. My Italian relatives, the Sicilian side back in the day, I remember if somebody was too skinny, they would say, be careful. If you get sick, you'll die. It totally makes sense. But that doesn't mean it's healthy to be fat. It just means it's a reserve policy in case you get a fucking catastrophic disease. But you're also more likely to get that catastrophic disease if you're fat.

So it's such a catch-22. This book by Gary Taub I just love called Why We Get Fat and What to Do About It. And he traces the genealogy of the obesity epidemic. And he goes all the way back to the 30s in New York City. And he looks at how ineffective all these obesity clinics and even the science of obesity has been. It's been so difficult because a lot of times they treated it like it was a psychological disease, like you eat too much. So you'd go to a psychiatrist. It's been so difficult because a lot of times they treated it like it was a psychological disease, like you eat too much. So you'd go to a psychiatrist or they would put you on these very restrictive diets, 1200 calories a day.

And you would lose weight. But at the end of the day, you descend. But also your body gets into this state of panic where it tries to store energy really quickly because it's worried that you're in a famine state. Right. it's worried that you're in a famine state. Right. So what he traces, and he looks at the Native Americans that had to sort of get on government rations when their land was taken, and they all blew up like balloons because they were given white flour. And the thesis of the book is essentially that when you eat simple carbohydrates and

a lot of carbohydrates, especially things like white flour and sugar, your body produces a lot of insulin. And for a whole bunch of metabolic reasons, it's insulin that causes you to retain fat molecules and need more sugar for energy, and he does a really great job in the book of explaining it. the fact that it's just a question of changing what you put into your body, you know, you will then eventually like this keto diet, for example, it's a really good way to lose weight and not have to restrict your calories. It just is. Now, I don't know if it's for everybody. I don't think there is a single diet that's for everybody.

I don't either. I don't either. People's bodies are different. Like, obviously people have different allergies to foods, like, or allergies to all sorts of things. Like, that's a great indication that we great indication that there's so much biological diversity. So many people have genetics that have come from all sorts of different parts of the world, all sorts of different environments that we evolved from.

There's no one single diet for everybody. Obesity is fairly recent only because when people started eating that much sugar. I think that's universal right like like there's nothing wrong with eating a certain amount of carbs and breads and pastas but it is universal that massive amounts of sugar are bad for you there's no i don't think there's any question anymore scientifically yeah but one of the things hard for very fat people obese people who have trouble with this who may have gotten caught into that pattern as kids or they have a and it's very true that some people genetically do put weight on. They don't process carbs the way other people do. Like I can eat carbs all day and stay

very thin. Some people just can't do that. But for a long time, very active though, I'm very active. But for a long time, what I'm saying is that there's always been, and still is a stigma, which is your fat, which means you are of weak character or you have a faulty character. And that's why they take so much shit. Whereas Gary Taubman's book said a lot of it was just the fact that people didn't know how the body worked. And a lot of this information came out in Germany before the war. There were these Austrian and German scientists that were really closing in on what insulin does to make you gain weight. But guess what? When the war was over, no American scientists were going to use German data.

It was kind of like, no, we'll come up with our own data. We used their rocket data. We did use their rocket data. We fucking scooped up all their Operation Paperclip. We scooped up all their fucking rocket scientists and made them Americans. There was a fucking thing about Wernher von Braun being a great American and like Wernher von Braun was a fucking Nazi. The guy who ran the NASA space program was a straight-up Nazi who the Simon Wiesenthal Center said if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity. Damn, I didn't know that. Yeah, they hung the five slowest workers every day at his fucking rocket factory in Berlin sweet guys

They hung Jews they hung them in the front of the fucking rocket factory to encourage the workers to work faster One of the things that they this is by the way coming directly from people who are still alive who worked in that fact I believe with tattoos on their arm. I believe it. I don't think that's I don't even think that's a point of conjecture I don't know crazy. Is it that we just scooped up all those monsters? Well, we also scooped up- You monsters are really good at fucking shooting metal dicks into the sky. Let's come over here. But we also scooped up a lot of German and Austrian Jewish scientists because when they-

In fact, Einstein, I believe, emigrated after a number of- Or I think it was two scientists who were Jewish were assassinated, were shot on the street. And so all these like brilliant Jewish scientists said, let's get the fuck out of here and go to the UK and go to the United States. Well, you know the horrible tragedy of Fritz Haber. You know the Haber method? The Haber method. It's an incredible story. The guy figured out a way to extract nitrogen from the air.

And it's one of the, they say today that there's a fantastic radio lab podcast on this. I think it's called The Bad Show. I think that's what it's called. Because they did a good show and a bad show. I think that's what it's called. And what they just showed is that sometimes, and we've all known this, sometimes people that have done horrible, horrible things are also amazing at something that benefits a lot of folks. And this is one of them.

Classic example. Fritz Haber figured out this way to extract nitrogen from the air. And the nitrogen in our bodies today, they estimate that some 50 and nitrogen what they use it for is fertilizer and for the longest ammonia yeah yeah for the longest time they used to have to get like dead fish or mulch or something like that compost and in fact a bat guano yeah bat guano was a big one literally bat shit crazy was like because people would have wars over bat shit that's right isn't that nuts i didn't know's exactly right. Yeah, that's what it is. There was fucking wars over bat shit.

Because that's how you grew your food. It's amazing. And people would starve during the winter because they didn't know how to get that nitrogen into the soil. And Fritz Haber is literally credited with stopping mass scale starvation. Yes. But then there's the other side. The other side.

Well, they said that today the nitrogen in our bodies, 50% of it came from the Haber method they go fit though all the people today yeah like literally he's responsible for a massive increase in the population of this world but he also was the guy that fucking used gas in war for the first time not only that he personally oversaw it he went to the front lines and we started, it started with, he was working on insecticides, right? Which is, by the way, is what Zyklon B, which was used to gas the Jews. Well, he came up with Zyklon A. Exactly.

And Zyklon A had a smell attached to it so that you could know what it was and get the fuck away from it. Whereas Zyklon B, the Nazis extracted the smell. Meanwhile, Haber was a Jew. So what a fucking crazy conundrum that guy found himself where his own relatives died directly from an invention that he created. It's incredible. And you know, also if you take a sympathetic

approach to a man who was a patriot, he was a patriot. His country was at war. He had benefited from this country. He had a legacy in this country. He had standing in this country and his country was under direct threat. And he said, I think I know a way to help this war effort so we can stop the enemy. how you think we should all put ourselves in his shoes if i had a way and i'm i i think i'm right about that if i had a way as an american as brian count to save my country from people i thought were going to actually take it over or kill a bunch of people including my family i'm going to gas the fuck out of them if i can invent a technique i'm going to gas them and i'm going to come up a way to shoot a rocket at them him. So if that makes me a bad person, call me Fritz.

Well, isn't it crazy, though, that this guy was literally receiving the Nobel Prize for the Haber Method at the same time for being wanted for crimes against humanity? As a war criminal. For a war criminal. But the same people that wanted to try him for war crimes dropped nuclear fucking bombs on two cities in Japan. Like, what is a war crime? Like, when you're killing people. Like, oh, you killed people the wrong way. Like, we have rules.

You can't kill people like that. Curtis LeMay, who oversaw, I believe, the bombing, the firebombing of Tokyo. This is before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. This is the firebombs, which, by the way, killed more people, did more destruction. I mean, everybody concentrates on these two events, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Firebombing was, I mean, what we did to Dresden, what we did to the Allies, really. It was the British and the Americans. But, I mean, Dresden looked like the surface of the moon.

the British and the Americans, but Dresden looked like the surface of the moon. Kurt Vonnegut, I think in the book Slaughterhouse-Five talks about this in vivid detail, but look at just YouTube, Dresden before and after. Jimmy, bring up Dresden. Jimmy, I said.

He said Jimmy, right? Bring up Dresden before and after the firebombing, but Curtis LeMay, I think in a period of eight days in Tokyo, one million people died from fire. But Curtis LeMay, I think in a period of eight days in Tokyo, I mean, one million people died from fire. And Curtis LeMay said war is the business of killing people. And if I had been on the losing side, I'd probably be tried as a war criminal. And if you see Curtis LeMay, he's always chewing a cigar. And he was the commander.

And he was the one who made those decisions. And he said, we're going to punish the German workers. There are real pictures, though. Look at that. What is this? This is what it looked like before dresden was a jewel it was a jewel and then what is it was like post uh like the surface of the fucking moon you'll see do they have videos of it then jamie this is all this is before and after the allied bombing i don't know what it's just pictures yeah see if you can find some photos.

Some actual photos. Beautiful Dresden ruins after the Allied bombing. Whoa. But this is drawings. It was way worse than that. No, that's a real photograph. Oh, that's a photo. Yeah, there you go. That's what it looked like.

Oh, my God. That's what it looked like. Oh, my God. All of it. All of it. And they talk about the survivors who were just walking around in the city that had been standing for 700 years or something crazy. God damn was no longer how did anybody survive this they didn't in fact people were falling down look at that those are bodies yes people were falling down

um they were falling down because the oxygen was sucked out of the air so you'd be you'd be on the street and you would you would just fall down because there's no air yes or there'd be a bomb and the people would open their shutters, stick their head out, and the aftershock would take their heads off. Whoa. We're very lucky, very lucky we didn't live at this time. Jesus Christ, what a fucking strange thing. It was an apocalypse. Giant scale war is like that. And Europe, what was it?

Was it 50 million people at the end of World War II that were dead? Maybe as many as 80 million? Put that into context. And that, from those ashes, from these experiments like fascism, and the idea that you can perfect human beings and perfect society and create utopias, from those experiments came uh ash and 80 million graves and so and from that came right kind of sorta i mean the idea like if you just wanted to improve upon human beings without killing people that you thought were inferior if you just wanted

to create the uber munch without making everybody else die. But you need to re-educate. So re-education camps that Pol Pot would put people in. You had to be marched to the countryside because he was creating an agrarian utopia. But why does any beneficial act, like the idea of creating better people? We would all like a better society with better people. I mean, if we all had a world where everybody had perfect genetics and nobody had to worry about fat shaming, you know, like nobody had to worry about not being attractive.

But that's not good. So the problem is like the stress and the anxiety of being a dork and the stress of being bullied, And that's where diamonds come from. Yes. It's not good to bully someone. It's not good to take advantage of someone. It's not good to make someone's life hell. But a lot of times that's where you get a Marvin Gaye.

Of course. You know, you get these jewels of art. You know, you get these people that come out of these horrible environments and they have this power to them. But you have to create. You're right. You still have to create some respite. You know, the great Matthew Arnold has said that the United States is the land of the stock market and big guns and powerful, you know, an agrarian state that can feed the world. It's also the land of Prince.

and powerful, you know, an agrarian static and feed the world. It's also the land of Prince. Well, he also said, I was going to say, he said, we have to always remember to create safe haven for our gentler spirits, our weirdos and people that think differently and act differently, because that's where you get Prince, Little Richard, Marilyn Manson, and all the things that make our culture interesting. Yeah. And that's a very important thing to keep in mind when you, when you,

but again, look, when you talk about bombing and how we're getting better, think about for a second, the methodology in our brain of how we a lot of people think of not only terrorism, and I'm guilty of this too, or even say something like cancer. So if you have cancer, there's one method of treating it. And sometimes it works, which is there's a tumor, let's cut it out. Let's cut the tumor out. There's another method of treating it, which is diet and health and taking care of your body before it ever happens. This is one of the things you're talking now about the duality is what I'm saying is that we fall sometimes into the mindset that every problem can be cut out and removed, right? Instead of saying,

prevention, what you just said, what you just said what you just said is there's another there might be another tact in in every issue so when you when we talk about um the bad guys and we talk about we have to and and listen there's there's a there's a place and a time to take out the bad guys there's no question. You know, but we have to be careful that we have, we don't fall into one way of thinking and one way of dealing with what we consider threats, right? Right. Because we could make the problem worse. Um, and instead, sometimes we might want to say, maybe this time, maybe this is a problem that doesn't require cutting and radiation and, you know, removing. Maybe it's what you just said. Maybe we should approach it systemically from a different

angle that's not as violent, not as physical. Yeah. Well, there's also the problem of the charismatic leader. And there's also a problem of people wanting to be a part of a team. Like you were talking about, if you could gas the People that are a threat to the United States, but who are those people? They're just people the idea that somehow or another someone who lives in Italy who I've never met is against me Someone who lives in the United States who they've never met that's preposterous We just don't know each other Yeah

And when you get by the way when I was in Italy one of the weirdest fucking things about it And I've never been there before so I don't know But the people that were there were describing to me how everything has changed. I was talking this one cab driver He's really interesting guy, and he was we were commenting I was asking him about everywhere you look they have these Land Rover defenders that are in camo with these military people standing out there with fucking machine guns. Everywhere. Everywhere. And I said, is this normal?

And he said, no. He said, this is the new way. He's like, this is, the world is changing. He said, this is not a good world. He said, this is not good. And I said, so this is a direct response to the terrorist threats and the things that have been happening in Paris. He goes, yes. Yes, yes. He goes, yes. Yes, yes.

He goes, they don't want it to happen here. So all the places where there was tourists, whether it was the Vatican, whether it was the Coliseum, you saw these camouflaged Land Rover defenders in these public displays. Guys ready. And a woman. I saw a woman. I was thinking about punching her or taking her gun. I was like, I think I can. Some of those women are no joke.

I don't think so. I got it. They're trained to react quickly. That's my gun. She's holding it. It's her gun. It's like, I think I can. Some of those women are no joke. I don't think so. I got it. They're trained to react quickly. That's my gun. She's holding it. It's my gun. Obviously, I'm kidding. But it is weird to see these people that are standing out there holding guns,

and they had fucking very serious looks on their face. They're scanning the crowd, looking left and looking right, and a lot of Middle Eastern people there. A lot of fucking people dressed up like beekeepers. A lot of poor ladies with gloves on and ninja masks. And I was like, what in the fuck? 2016, and you got people wandering the streets of one of the greatest cities in the world. And a liberal democracy.

Fucking mad. That talks about giving people their own sovereignty on what they wear. Yeah, and all the women, Italian women, dress like hoes. Yeah, they're beautiful. Hoes looking for dick. Hoes! Well, they're just very, I consider, they dress, they're minimalists. Excuse me, sir.

They're minimalists and they know how to. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of hoes. Oh, yeah. Did you see what happened in France over the weekend? This man stabbed a woman and her three children at a resort for being scantily dressed. This Muslim man. What in the fuck man just well it's such a bankrupt it's such a bankrupt philosophy if you can even call it that this ideology it's an ideology it's an ideology i'm gonna kill you

that you talk about people who are caught in a trap, this ISIS ideology. Talk about being caught in a pathway. This guy wasn't ISIS. He wasn't an ISIS guy. He was just some radical Muslim. Someone who deeply believes what he's been taught, his ideology, so powerful that he's willing to stab an eight-year-old kid in the lungs. This poor fucking kid had a collapse. A little girl. A little girl because she was wearing a beach outfit.

Jesus Christ. Well, this is a guy. little girl cuz she was wearing a beach outfit. Jesus Christ Well, this is a guy it sounds like you might have been mentally ill or the guy who drove all those people And yes that happened while I was there. Is that I say it nice nice that happened while I was there Well, this is the other thing is again. Not only do they do that because they're fanatical They think they're actually gonna change something and make the world a better place bike by they're actually going to change something and make the world a better place by behaving in this mad fashion. In some way they might because they're going to unleash the Jocko Willinks on the world. They're going to go out there and they're going to fucking kill people like this.

They're going to fucking get people to the point where they lose all tolerance for this kind of shit. Well, I'm getting to that point and I'm pretty tolerant and I'm getting to that point. And here's the interesting thing about when you think about ISIS. So I was talking to my buddy who's a CIA guy. You know, he's a Delta guy. He's one of these real kind of guys who's in there and does all the dirty work. And he said, I said, you know, why don't we just bomb their strongholds? You make them martyrs.

Well, no, he also said, he said, you have to understand that that's not like they're all camped out in one area. They're in a town the size of, you know, let's say Baltimore. And they have safe houses. But for the most part, they're all over that place. But more importantly, as ISIS fighters die, what they do is they come to families that are peace-loving families. And they say, listen, we need to conscript your son and your two other sons right there. They now belong to ISIS. Now, you can say no and die or you can bring them over for the cause because you better be down for the cause.

Is that what's going on? That's what's going on now. Where is this happening? What part of the world? In Syria, in Iraq, in those places where they have strongholds. But a lot of people are joining voluntarily. Yes, yes they are. Including European women.

Have you seen this crazy shit where girls are going from England and they're joining ISIS? They're also getting wholesale just destroyed. They're just fucking dying. And now ISIS is trying to support the families of the martyrs and they're running out of money. And, you know, so they're losing the, they're losing the physical battle, but the ideology is always going to inspire fuck faces like this guy who kills children. And I think in that case, you know, you do need a strong presence and people willing to shoot those people before they do what they do. It's really hard to prevent, though. Well, it's hard to prevent crazy people.

And the word crazy is not the right word. It's hard to prevent evil psychopaths. It's hard to prevent people like, I mean, forget religious ideology, the guy who fucking shot up those people in the movie theater in Colorado. It's hard to prevent that. It's hard to, I mean, that happened more than once, right? I mean, how many times people, didn't someone get shot up in Amy Schumer's movie? Weren't there people that went to see

Trainwreck? That was right, right? Yeah. And because she was upset about that. What do you think is the answer? Oh, that's a good question. Is the answer, this is a little bit radical, but is the answer, let all of us carry a gun? How are you going to stop that truck with a gun? I don't know. The trucks are more dangerous than guns. You know, it's fucked up.

I kind of predicted that truck attack during the Steven Crowder podcast, and I didn't even realize I did it. Somebody posted on the internet a clip of it, like, what's to stop someone? Because we were talking about gun control. And I'm like, the problem is mentally insane people that are willing to kill people and they could do it a lot of ways man and i was like what's to stop someone from taking a car and driving through a fucking crowd of people there's not much you could do about it but you can shoot them in the face so they die in the car maybe i do you get lucky and hit them you know how hard it is to shoot at someone when they're driving at you in a car it It's hard to shoot a deer that's standing still.

No shit. And you resting your gun on a rock. But it's possible. It's possible. And I'd rather have that answer than have to run and scream with my kids. I'd rather be able to stand my ground and fucking squeeze off, you know, six rounds in his direction. And I really mean that. No, it's, there's an argument there. And I think the argument against that, that, you know, you should not have that because you're more likely to kill someone in your family. And, you know, that's not a great argument either. I think on both sides, like the real issue is mental health. The real issue is inequality. The real issue is people growing up. And when I say inequality, I don't necessarily even mean rights I mean in the environment in which your soul

Enters this world like what what what is the environment that you and I entered well? We have really nice parents, and we got really lucky. We got born in America, and we didn't The Philippines 14 years old barely one lot of of different countries um that's where i get my edge but you you you got lucky you have a really nice family you know i got lucky great family like nice people you know that's very fortunate if you were born in iraq or in saudi arabia or in afghanistan or in any of these places where they're dealing with these ancient ideologies you're fucked it's like it's like there's a race and the race is 30 miles long and you're starting out at mile one where some people are at mile 29 like there's no

way it's no way this is fair there's no way it's just not fair and there's got to be a way through either time or effort or just the sheer expression of ideas that permeate through this world. That's the key. Yeah, slowly but surely things have to even out to the point where people realize the correct way to behave and treat people. Look, you could say religious tolerance all you want. to behave and treat people. Look, you could say religious tolerance all you want, but when there's a fucking woman dressed like a ninja at the mall,

that lady is not in a good place. She's being forced to dress like that. This is not her idea. There's no way it is. This is an idea that was stuck into her life when she was a small person, and she grew up with that idea, and now she's married to some guy who enforces that idea, and this guy's walking around with a fucking golf shirt on and his wife's dressed like a ninja.

I mean, this is mad. And I think that it makes their country weaker. If you, if you categorize and, and, and, you know,

creates these sort of fencing around an entire class of people and a gender. If you take women and say, you guys have to walk a little bit behind me you have we just know that that doesn't work you're wasting a lot of human potential yes a lot of people with ideas that can make the world a better place you also you're stifling the debate and the discussion look there's a lot of people that think different than me man a lot of people whether they're uh from different parts of the world or whether they have different likes or dislikes and they have different art that they appreciate. And I like

hearing their point of view. There's a lot of people that I don't agree with what they're saying and I like to hear what they say. There's radical feminists that I listen to their ideology and I listen to what they're saying and I try to figure out where the fuck they're coming from i try to figure out okay is this a direct response to something they've experienced in their life like how much of this has to deal with them being persecuted how much of them has to how much of what people say has to do with their direct experiences with the opposite sex like when you look at a bunch of feminists, right, and some of them have pink hair and they weigh 300 pounds, and you know life was not fucking awesome for them around men.

You just know it wasn't. Well, how much of this anti-male sort of ideology that they're espousing, like, how much of that comes from their direct experiences with men, and how different would it be if they grew up looking like Julia Roberts? Right. I mean, a lot. There's a really good... One of the things I do with my podcast, The Brian Callen Show now, is I do...

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You have a podcast? I have The Fighter and the Kid. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You've brought back The Brian Callen Show? I do it once a week and I talk about a book. How come I don't know about this? I sent you one of them just for you to listen to because I did it with this guy, Hunter Moss. How come I don't know about this? I sent you one of them

just for you to listen to because I did it with this guy Hunter Motz. Yeah, I don't listen to anything you do. It was brilliant. I'll just tell you right now. I know. I sent it to you like whatever. You're super busy. I'm very, very busy. But I had an amazing conversation with my buddy Hunter. Amazing like you can't believe it happened or it was good.

My buddy Hunter is really good at reading everything and putting it into context where I can understand it. You know what I mean? Like he, he can put it, he can create a useful, he can turn it into a useful,

you know what I mean? Like you can read a bunch of books, but you don't know how to put it together. This motherfucker can put it all together and contextualize it and everything else. And we, we read this book, we'll read a book and then talk about it.

So we read this book called the secret of their success, the secret of our success by Joseph Henph henrik and the book is the theme of the book is basically this and it's to your point human beings are smart because they borrow culture human beings are smart because they have societies that excel have to be open and have to be open enough so that they can borrow the best things from other cultures so for example if you and i are put in the middle of the arctic we're gonna fight unless we find a bunch of inuit we're dead in about three days you know if you and i are in the amazon if you take an inuit who can kick ass and find seal meat and everything else and put him in the amazon he's he doesn know. He doesn't have the culture. Human beings survive and grow and excel because we are really good at learning from each other,

borrowing ideas. It's called the diffusion of innovation. We are. That's the most important thing. And when you have societies that have these strong rules and these strong ideologies that keep people essentially restricted, you are not going to have the free flow exchange of ideas. Look at, for example, mixed martial arts. Think about where martial arts has come once the ultimate fighting championship and the Gracie's created

this crazy thing where everybody got to fight everybody else. Pretty soon, everybody starts sharing secrets. Everybody starts to kind of like go, well, this works, this doesn't work. And you were putting it in an arena where you were actually, it was just a very open place. It was a proven ground. It was a proven ground. And you could borrow ideas. And people are, look at what they're doing now. They're borrowing. Coaches here, I have this idea. Wrestlers learn submissions and kickboxing and all that stuff. That's how societies, that's how innovation happens.

That's the best way to get ideas to move forward. And again, the problem with this sort of countries that are restrictive like Russia, like Saudi Arabia, with these strong sort of either cultures of power or cultures of religion is that they create a very, very, it's a very difficult atmosphere not only not only to be open with your ideas but but to benefit from your ideas you are not going to start a company like Apple in Russia when you know that

the government like Putin or whoever is could take it anytime they want where would be the incentive of that I'm gonna work well you have 20 years. Well, you'd have to be buddies with Putin. Exactly. And then you might be able to pull it off. But you would never do it in Saudi Arabia. Now it's an economy of influence. Right. Not a meritocracy.

Let me ask you this, because this is kind of an interesting thought that's going through my head. Do you think that one of the things that's going on today that just really wasn't going on, I mean, in the 70s you had the Iran hostage crisis with Jimmy Carter and all that jazz. But if you really go back and think about what that was all about, and if you really look at the history of the United States intervention in the Middle East, it was really about controlling resources, controlling natural resources. Also controlling Soviet influence. Yeah, controlling Soviet influence. But that was also about resources too, because they were trying to, the Mujahideen, they were trying to control Afghanistan and they wanted to get the natural gas pipelines.

And there's a lot of it that deals with monopolizing natural resources and the amount of money that you can get from there. And then also the amount of natural resources that could be used to strengthen military regimes. There's a lot of control issues in that. regimes. There's a lot of control issues in that. But you didn't have the kind of terrorist activity that you're having today, which also coincides with the freedom and expression of ideas and information at an unprecedented rate that we're all experiencing today. And the areas where this is not true, the areas where the freedom of expression and the tolerance of ideas I mean if you look at the United States, there's some some nonsense that's going on today with political correctness And there's some complete the the left that's taken so far left that it almost becomes right because they're just completely

so so but could not just controlling but so a so infatuated with the idea of enforcing their version of what... Equality is. Equality is and what life is on everybody else that it becomes this like... Tyrannical. Very tyrannical. But the point is, this is the West. I mean, this is where we are. We are in the real marketplace of ideas.

This is the boiling point of all these ideas where things are changing at this radical rate. And this is the world that is also being attacked and really being opposed by this completely constricted world that really doesn't feel like it has a chance. Like this world is trying desperately to cling to these old ways. I mean, if you look at what ISIS is, they are desperately trying to cling to these ancient religious ideologies that were established in a way that does not allow for the even exchange of ideas and information. And this new way of, but this is also, this new way is also attached, of course, to the military industrial complex.

It's also attached to the idea that there's hundreds of different military bases in hundreds of different countries where we're in control of massive amounts of people's safety. Always has been. But it hasn't been in the rest of the world. You know, terrorism, by the way, in the 70s, and I remember being in Rome Airport, they had plenty of guys with machine guns because of the Red Brigade. There was communist terrorism. There was Palestinian terrorism back then of a great deal.

When they killed the people at the Olympics in Munich. Yeah. So there was always terrorism. But a much smaller scale than today. Much smaller. I don't know about that. I don't know if that's true because terrorism was, terrorism. There was never anything like ISIS before.

No, there wasn't. This is a new thing. But this really powerful. But I have to stop you for a second. Adherence, what? Because when you say there wasn't anything like ISIS, you're right. But for example, in Indonesia, which was essentially an American ally, Indonesia had – take a look at how of whom were sort of taking the commando oxy. They were the sort of civilian conscripts that the military kind of recruited and said, find us the communists in your villages. And they were marched down to the river.

They had their heads chopped off. They had their heads chopped off. And by many accounts, almost a million, quote unquote, communists in a period of about a year in Indonesia were slaughtered. Let's take the killing. These are all related. But my point is, what I'm trying to get at is, I wonder if what is going on now is almost the same thing that's going on with like a two party system. It's an us versus them thing, but it's combined with the US which is this what's going on the Western world I mean obviously the Western world has plenty of problems But one thing the Western world has pretty clearly is the even exchange of information and ideas

You might not agree with these ideas and you might meet and then that's it There's a problem with that as well But but you have access to But you have access to them. You have access to them. And this access is like, well, that's one of the things that's going on with Twitter. And I don't know if you know about this, but Milo Yiannopoulos, you know who he is? Yeah, he got banned. He got banned from Twitter for writing a bad review about Ghostbusters, which essentially confirms what he said about the regressive left is that they're trying to stifle ideas.

And then they're saying that he's responsible for the harassment of leslie jones right right which is horrible you know what people did she's a fucking comedian she's also great she's great she's funny as shit man um but also this is just trolls all right you're always gonna have trolls but he didn't do that he didn't i mean he's not responsible for. He didn't like sick them. He wasn't the catalyst. But what he did was make an incredible amount of

sense when he was describing that you cannot make fun of this movie. You cannot criticize this movie if you do you're labeled a misogynist. And he talked about how preposterous this movie is. That these women are all out kicking ass and every man in the movie is a buffoon, and the women don't have any negative traits or qualities at all. They're super powerful and super awesome and hilarious, and the humor is non-existent because they put them in this restrictive box.

He got banned from Twitter for that? He got banned from Twitter for this. Well, they're blaming him on the harassment that Leslie experienced. He incited the— Well, they didn't incite anything. He made a provocative article about a piece of art. And that's what that movie is, a piece of art. So they are guilty of censorship in the worst way.

Well, what they're doing is they're stifling ideas they don't agree with. And they've decided that... I mean, Twitter established some weird fucking thing called the Trust and Security Council or something like that. And they brought on all these social justice wars. Jamie, look that up. What the fuck is that called that they tried to do? But they brought on all these people for this. Sounds like Mao's China.

Jesus Christ. It's very, very bizarre. It's thought control. It is thought control. It's thought control. Well, look, I'm against harassment. If you can stop people from being shitty to people and you say, well, here's someone who's using Twitter and they're going after people in a very shitty way. But the problem with that is look at how many fucking people have made shitty, horrible, evil comments about police officers, all police officers, trust and safety council.

When it comes to safety, everyone plays a role. Please make that larger so I can read it. Twitter empowers every voice to shape the world, but you can't do that unless you feel safe and confident enough to express yourself freely and connect with the world around you. To help give your voice more power Twitter does not tolerate behavior intended to harass intimidate or use fear to silence another users voice very general by the way this is now you have a council that is deciding whether or not you're good enough for Twitter that's

but you know what the first thing they did with him they couldn't figure out what to do with him they they took away his verification. Wow. What does that have to do with... What is that? He's not verified anymore. They took away his little blue check. It's very dangerous. It's a very dangerous slippery slope, but we see this in our universities too.

Well, here's the problem, when they did that, you do exactly the same thing. When they did that, he gained 20,000 new followers immediately because there was a massive backlash. So now they're in a place where there's even more backlash because if you look at the actual words that he typed versus what they're accusing him of, and it just doesn't stack up, it's clear that they don't like him because he's a Republican, he's a Trump supporter, and he is a fucking troll. I love him. I think he's hilarious.

He's fucking troll. I love him. I think he's hilarious. He's a troll. But in the marketplace of ideas, you should be able to combat his trolling behavior. Without a gag. Without gagging him. Without gagging him. Engage him. Engage him in a debate. Yes. In a vigorous, spirited debate.

Exactly. Don't gag the guy. Right. If you really feel like he has done something egregious, he's done something that can be criticized, criticize it. That's right. And if he's actually harassing people, if he's actually saying, hey, go

find Leslie Jones and throw dog shit at her or do something horrible to her or slash her tires or something like that. If he's actually doing something like that, yeah. Then he's committing a crime. That's where you don't get up in a crowded movie theater and scream fire because you'll create a

stampede, right? Yes, exactly. You know, Maya Angela talked about that when she said, where the Ku Klux Klan was saying, we have a freedom of speech. And Maya Angela said, your freedom ends, your freedom of speech can end when you're literally telling people to hang me. Yes. Because, you know, and you're telling a mob and I'm standing right there that, that inciting

them, that's, that's probably where, you know, we should take a look at things. I mean, and we all know, we all know the line. We don't all know. No, I'm saying, I'm saying that, that there is something called common decency and, you know, people like to jump to these extremes, but it's not, it doesn't inform the debate. I think what you're saying is so important. And then the idea that you've got to create safe haven for those that you agree with and disagree with. I disagree with Milo all the time.

I mean, he and I are friends, and I've had him on the podcast twice. And when we talk, I mock him when we have fun. But he's a good guy. But he's just really right-wing. I also think his trolling is so fucking sophisticated and he's one of the ones that was saying that he believes that melania how do you say her name trump's wife melania is that her name yeah he thinks that they did it on purpose he thinks trump is a master troll and he thinks that the plagiarism was on purpose because now

more people are talking about it and then more people are i don't know if that's true but i think it's hilarious that did you know that his tweet trump's tweet that he put out to congratulate his wife for speaking is exactly verbatim the same tweet that obama put out to congratulate his wife for speaking. Interesting. Exactly. Wow. Every single word in the exact same order. Wow.

Yes. That's pretty calculated. I don't know. I don't think he writes his own tweets. That apparently wasn't true. Is it fake? I think that was like Photoshopped. Oh, those motherfuckers.

They got me. Oh, that was the other thing they did. I'm sorry about that folks. Um, that's another thing that they did with the Leslie Jones, which she was really upset is that trolls were taking words, um,

and putting them like they were taking a Photoshop and making her like her name, like what she had, you know, her, her Twitter name and then writing horrible shit about gay people, and then putting it in there. Jesus. But Leslie Jones, and again, I love her, I think she's really funny, she said some kind of fucked up things on Twitter herself.

And, you know, things that can be construed as racist. One of the things she said, like, about white people being shit, fuck white people shit, like, something like that. It was on Breitbart. See if you could, you'd find the actual, uh, things that they were,

they were saying that like, how could Leslie Jones get away with saying this? But Milo gets banned for writing an article and I'm not, but I think what Leslie said, like white people shit, it could have been that she was saying like someone did something and God damn white people. This is some white people shit, it could have been that she was saying, like, someone did something, and god damn, white people, this is some white people shit. Yeah.

You know, like. She's funny. Like, when people climb into a zoo and try to fucking hug a tiger. Yeah. That's white people. Yeah. That's white people shit. Yeah, that's funny, though.

And Leslie, anybody who knows Leslie knows she's a great, she's just a fucking doll. Lord have mercy, white people shit. What does that mean, though? It's white people shit. Like, they do crazy stuff. I don't, white people shit. What does that mean, though? It's white people shit. Like, they do crazy stuff. But I don't know. I mean, what does that mean? Like, why did she say that?

Like, what is that about? Imagine a white person. But look at this. Imagine a white person saying that about black people. I understand. But I think, you know, we've heard this before. It's fine. Leslie Jones is not a racist.

Leslie Jones has never been anything but really kind to people around her Okay, but hold on a second because sometimes people say things that are racist and they're not racist. They're just trying to be funny Yes, like, you know, I mean how many- We're all too sensitive sometimes about it. Jeff Ross is hilarious and he says a lot of racial stuff when he roasts people. Sarah Silverman. Sarah Silverman. But Jeff Ross in particular because he's really good at roasting people and a lot of the stuff that he says, like, you know, he crosses what some people would say is a line. But what is he doing?

He's being funny. There is there is a difference. So a lot of times if you're Hispanic, if you're, you know, you're from a marginalized group, you can get away with it. You can get away with it because you you all share in a common experience of repression. Right. So gay people can mock straight people. Go ahead, mock me for liking pussy. Who cares?

That's what I mean. Because we've never had to pay a price for that kind of oppression. We haven't. Not physically and not economically. Well, that's not true because we've been oppressed for being straight forever. It's a constant thing. People are just so mad that we're on day. You're such a breeder.

Fucking breeder. Yeah. What are you out there, making babies? Exactly. Those fucking Otto and George had a great line. You know, Otto and George, if you don't know, Otto was this fucking great, hilarious comedian who had a puppet named George, and his puppet was evil and these bushy eyebrows and the puppet would say these fucked up things and otto would go ah i can't believe

you're saying that like what the hell and the the puppet would say he goes i don't understand where all these fucking queers are coming from for a group of people that can't breed where the fuck are they all coming from it's like you had this like you'd say like purposely ignorant shit as his puppet yeah well you know a lot of times all of us think outrageous thoughts yeah we think prejudice thoughts it's part of being a human being man well there's a friend of mine who is dealing with um these uh folks that are jewish that are incredibly cheap and uh this friend of mine was saying like how fucking embarrassing is it when someone just reenacts the most disgusting stereotype about a race like a chinese guy that just closes his eyes and just drives straight into traffic

like just fucking horrible stereotypes that like when you see them like oh come on man if i was chinese and i saw someone driving like that i'd be like you motherfucker do you know what i'm dealing with here yeah just being like if there's an accident and i'm involved people go oh of course the fucking asian guy got a car accident well do you know do you know what don bar's principle is yes yeah and that's we have a limited number of people we can keep within our heads, right? Right. But that also plays a part in stereotyping. There's a limited amount of information that we can kind of like keep in our heads.

Right. So actually stereotyping was something that kept us safe. You're talking about, when you talk about stereotyping, what you're really talking about is pattern recognition and chunking information. Right. You're looking at something because you don't have a lot of time. You're looking at a dude. It's like Dov Davidoff's joke about, you know, he said he was sitting there and this

guy walked up to him. He's already done this joke, so I'm not ruining it. But he said, you know, look, we assume things all the time. He goes, I saw this guy with teardrop tattoos. He had a knife. And I was like, I don't want to hang around here. And the girl goes, don't assume. He could be a chef. I'm like, that's fine. He could be a chef. But if you pull your pants down and you got a bunch of blisters in your genitals, I'm not going to

assume you got stung by a pack of bees. At the end of the day, you do stereotype. You make choices based on what the information you get. And you do it very quickly because sometimes that information can keep you safe. A cop, a lot of of times when they see they can tell if somebody shouldn't be somewhere because they'll look for certain things out-of-state plates fast food wrappers that person's driving and they're on their way somewhere there are lots of different little signals that cause you to profile right because sometimes profiling is what's called good police work uh we all do it we all we all when i'm driving and i see a dude in his car and i see the back of his head i can make a lot of fucking assumptions on how he's driving and whether or not he's going to signal like an old dude with a hat

do it all the time i do it all the time i feel like i gotta speed by this guy yep i gotta beat my horn before i go by because he might just swerve him because he's a fucking dummy you know what i'm saying so some of this is just being a human being. And again, it's how our minds work. And we probably all share very similar thought patterns with even our enemies or even the people we don't like. Right. But being like being a Jewish person, it's really cheap, like super cheap.

But that comes from. That's different, isn't it?'s really cheap. Like super cheap. But that comes from... That's different, isn't it? No, because... That's characteristic. The way I would look at it is this. So I'd say, you'd say that Jewish person is cheap, right? And I would say, what I would look at is I'd say, well, hold on for a second. If you've been a Jew, you have a history, and we can go back 3,500 years, but let's just go back, I don't know, let's go back 2,000 years.

You've got a history of a lot of people... Yeah, but you're just go back, I don't know, let's go back 2,000 years. You've got a history of a lot of people. Yeah, but they're talking about someone in their 20s. No, it doesn't matter. Listen, you've got a lot of people blaming the Jews for killing Christ, right? And so usually if you look at history, especially European history, they were either kicked out or they were killed. So what happens is if you don't have a homeland, if you don't have a homeland, then you're a Jew, all right? But don't they have a homeland? No, but that's very recent.

What is that, 1948? Yeah. So as a Jew, when you actually don't have, you know, a country, I'm just, you know, as an example. Guess what your security is. Your fucking security at the end of the day is how thick your wallet is because money, money is how you survived. You know the reason that a lot of Jews, the reason Jews were into the jewelry trade? Diamonds? Well, diamonds are something you could pick up, put in a pouch, and run the fuck away really quickly.

You could transport your wealth. So they were like, well, we're kept out of banking. We're kept out of all these things. But we can make clothing, and we're jewelers. And they came to this country, those immigrants, came to this country with those two skills. The Irish came to this country with, hey, I got two hands. I can work a farm. What do you need me to do?

The Jews were like, I can make fucking really nice clothes and I can label them and I can get you to think that they're even nicer because I understand a little bit about marketing. Oh, and by the way, I got diamonds. There were certain things that they were forced into and they came came to this country, and they had a skill set. So I look at that, and I go, ooh, that's just cultural residue. That's just cultural residue. Cultural residue. You were taught that that's how you get ahead, and you were taught that holding on to your money is, by the way, also a way to ensure your survival. So the more you learn about a people's history, the you learn about our biology the more we learn about brain science

I think the more compassionate and makes us well That's also why a lot of people feel that some Asian folks are bad drivers because they're used to mind their own business not looking Left and right and when they walk they walk straight ahead and they bump into each other all the time. That's great That's fucking great. That's what it is right well there a friend of mine is Chinese I was explaining this to me. He's like, if you go to China and you walk down the street, he goes, people just bounce off each other like bumper cars. Yeah.

And he goes, and it's not offensive. It's just what they're doing. They're not doing it on purpose. It's just like when you're dealing with billions of people, like this is how you do it. Yeah. You just, you gotta, you gotta plow forward. Have you ever seen intersections in China? Yes.

Have you seen videos of intersections? It's fucking terrifying. It's intersections? It's fucking terrifying. It's insanity. It's fucking terrifying. It's chaos. It's ants. Italy was terrifying. Italy was...

They drive like fucking savages in Italy. Yeah. I mean, there's roundabouts. We're driving into the roundabout. We're like, oh, Jesus. And the driver just skillfully maneuvers around this. But look at this. Look at that.

I love it. I love it. It's fucking madness. It's amazing. Yeah. But they figure it out. They left, they right, they zoom around each other. They're driving slowly and they're all making their own.

So at 25 miles an hour, they say anything below 25 miles an hour, human beings are very good at navigating. Yeah. You know? That's a good example. And this is kind of a weird overhead view, but this is, this is actually manageable, but I've seen some shit that just doesn't look manageable. You also see people die in those intersections.

Oh, yeah. Well, how about the people that are walking? They just walk across the street and pray that people avoid them. Yeah. Like, oh, God damn it. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of cultures that have their own little thing that they do to sort of deal with the numbers that they're dealing with. And you know, you see that in America too. One of the things

that I really like about small towns, when I go to a small, like I was in Bozeman, Montana recently, there's only 35,000 residents of Bozeman, Montana. It's a great town and everybody drives really nice. Everybody's like fucking super chill. Yeah. There's not that many people. Yeah. See, people are like real easygoing, let everybody. And I realized like what you're dealing with in Los Angeles, like I felt it the moment I got off the plane when I went from Montana to here. The moment you get here, you're like, you gotta go. Gotta go.

Cut this guy off. Get ahead. Gotta get ahead. Like there's a feeling in the air. And they did a study. Like, there's a feeling in the air. And they did a study. And one of the things that they did this study on was they put up cameras in cities.

And they measured the amount of footsteps that people take. Like, how quickly they walk. And then they measured how many syllables people say in a minute. How quickly they talk. And through those two numbers, they were able to accurately estimate how many people lived in that city down to like a thousand. God, I love that stuff. Yeah. Like if you have a shitload of people, people walk faster and they talk faster. If you have less people, they slow down.

Well, Gail Collins, who's a columnist in New York Times always says that right wing and left wing people, she goes, it's all about space. When you become more of a socialist when you have to contend with all your neighbors. So you live in a building and it requires cooperation. It requires waiting in line. It requires all these things. When you live in Bozeman, Montana, and you have all that space, you can preach self-reliance. You can sort of talk about the value of sovereignty, personal sovereignty, self-reliance, and all that space you can preach self-reliance you can sort of talk about the value of you know

sovereignty personal sovereignty self-reliance and all that stuff so it does play a real factor in your psychology it's like yeah no good good no i was gonna say malcolm gladwell in his book uh he said uh when i think it was blink where you mentioned um when people would come to his office and if you mentioned Florida, raisins and orange juice, people left the room a lot slower. Do you know why? Why? Because they thought of old people and retirement. Whoa.

And so it played a factor in their gait. They left the fucking office. They were less inspired. They walked down the aisle. Well, they walked down the hallway more measured because you put the idea of an old person in their brain. Well, that's what I was going to say is this is where the role of colleges are very interesting because colleges sort of throw a monkey wrench into that because colleges take a small town

and turn it very liberal, which ordinarily would not be that way. You're dealing with small rural environments. You usually deal with conservative populations that are Christian and they're into fucking Republican sort of ideas. Well, there's also something else about liberal towns. They're little small liberal towns that you're talking about. I don't think they turn them liberal. What they really do is they take away any existential threat for the most part. They make those towns super safe. There are a lot of rules that would penalize anybody, for example, young men for misbehaving by punching each other in the face or imposing their aggression on a weaker group of people. I think that's also how I characterize a liberal small academic town.

They are safe for the most part safe environments for You to figure the world out and express yourself. Did you know I'm saying? Yeah Yeah, safer like boulders a good example exactly. Yeah, but sugar sort of you know, yeah Yeah Well, there's no one say low blood sugar because there's a lot of like fitness going on there Boulder is one of the fittest towns in the world per capita. A lot of people have low body fat. They're hiking all the time.

Good-looking people. And they're in a fantastic environment as far as the natural beauty of the land around them. And they take advantage of it. They're always hiking and biking and shit. But you don't have to worry about things like a shootout. like you know a shootout and like my friend who grew up in the hood said that he would he knew he knew when something was about to happen and i said what do you mean he said the air changed and your friend might be an idiot no no no he said he said he's no he said he said because what happens is in all fairness a lot of your friends are idiots no no he he grew up in the

hood and he said he had a lot of his friends black guy no no black guy he had a lot of his friends killed and he said what i would notice and everybody would notice is that when the shootout was about to happen or a fight was about to break out he said there was almost like this like whatever it was imagined or not there would be this calm before the storm the air would change things would settle and then boom something would happen and he said everybody felt that he said because we were talking about how my friend walked through the savannah with his wife, who grew up in Kenya. And his wife knew everything about it. She was like, don't worry about the lions. She knew everything.

She knew animal behavior. Until she saw what animal? What? Guess. Hyenas? Nope. People? Nope.

Monkeys? Water buffalo. Ooh. And she looked at her husband and she said, climb that tree right fucking now. And he said, I knew when she told me to climb the tree because there were lions and she said, don't worry. When she said climb the tree, I climbed that fucking tree because it was a water buffalo. She knew her environment and just like he, he would walk through the hood and he was safe. He knew how to navigate, but he also knew when something was about to happen. There's a great Jim Shockey show.

Jim Shockey is this really famous conservationist and big game hunter from Canada, a really interesting guy. But he's got this great show called Uncharted. And it's kind of a hunting show, but not really. It's more of an exploration of culture because he travels to all these different countries and he really gets deeply embedded in their country and in their culture. And it goes to these strange lands in the middle of nowhere in Russia and, or in Soviet Union or former Soviet Union. Um, and, uh, he, he spent a lot of time in Africa as well. Like he's done a bunch of shows in Africa. Like, uh, they actually brought him in to kill crocodiles

that were killing people in this village and the people in the village, man, it was fucking horrific. They would go through this village with cameras, and people would be showing, like, this guy's missing an arm, this guy's missing a leg, this guy has a bite taken out of his head. Damn. Everyone. Jesus. Everyone knew someone.

Because they had to get their water down there. Yeah, everybody knew. While they were there, while they were there filming this, a woman got taken away by a crocodile. I mean, it's just a constant, complete threat. Good God, that's terrifying. And they were there filming this a woman got taken away by a crocodile well i mean it's just a constant good god that's terrifying and they were not scared of anything like they were scared of buffaloes those fucking cape buffaloes water buffaloes they're like these goddamn things he's grass eating monsters yeah because they have to fight lions all the time so they're just they fuck and they fight lions off and they're just jacked to the tits i mean if you look at it of me like what is that thing eating it must be eating like steroids don't they weigh?

3,000 pounds they're fucking enormous. They're enormous They're huge and lions lions are the biggest assholes because they'll eat their balls while they're on them They take their time for the ball first thing they eat is their balls and their dick really yep Cuz they're behind them so you got one on your back, and then they're like Go for the ball. Well. It's probably easy to tear loose right. It's a good good bite good old It sucks being a water bowl sucks being a lion to man. Yeah, fuck that running around killing shit with your face all day Yeah, that's all you could do you have a store you never made a nature nature is fucking fucked nature Fuck we've human beings have always it's been a constant war against nature, actually.

It's always been. How do you harness nature? How do you chain it? Pretty much every animal that exists, every animal that exists, even lions are in a constant war with other lions. Constant. Like their reign of terror is so fucking insanely brief. They got a couple years where they run the pride and then some new lion comes along and kills them.

Or bites them so fucked up that they're forced to leave. Even Great Whites. Great Whites, they played this guy, Paul DeGeldo did our podcast, Fighter and Kid, and he ended up losing his arm and his hand and his leg to a bull shark in Sydney Bay.

He goes to punch the shark. Bull sydney bay he goes to punch the shark sharks are brutal yeah he goes to punch the shark and he goes oh i don't have a hand left and then almost died and all that but um he was saying what does he have on his arm now is he a prosthesis yeah it's amazing prosthesis which can close and is it a carbon fiber one i think so it's like ninety thousand dollars whoa and uh and but he was a australian navy seal jack dude you know like a handsome guy and just you know there he was lost his arm and leg but but he was a australian navy seal jack dude you know like a handsome guy and just you know there he was lost his arm and leg but um he was talking about how um uh they played they had there was an area where all these great whites i guess bull sharks and stuff

and they played uh the sound of orcas they played the sound of what they make when they're hunting. And they said that fucking sharks didn't come near that area for six months. They were just like, see ya, I'm outta here. And then what hunts them? Us. We fuck up the orcas. Yeah, it's a constant battle, and it always has been. And I always

wonder, like, is that battle... I mean, it's sort of necessary. It seems like with the natural world i mean obviously we're striving towards some higher state of existence everyone is i mean i think that's where buddhists come from and meditation comes from and veganism comes from and meat that doesn't have a central nervous system utopian ideologies and all these thoughts about what we're trying to do is, whether misguided or not, we're trying to strive towards improvement. And that is the state of life. And it's also the state of nature.

I mean, there has to be some sort of a balance of power with animals that are herbivores and animals that are carnivores. Like, they're talking about bringing in cougars on the east coast of the United States. To deal with deer. Because they have too many deer. They have too many deer. Yeah. And it's a really fascinating subject because it's a better idea than bringing in wolves. Well, wolves are very hard to, they tend to be wholesale with their slaughter, right?

Not only that, they do a lot of fun killing. They like to fun kill. They do what they call surplus hunting. That video I showed you where I shot that deer in London, in England? You shot a deer in London? An hour and a half outside. What are you doing? An hour outside of London.

You're hunting in someone's yard? Well, my buddy owns this giant... My buddy, he made a lot of money. I said, where's your property? And he goes, well, can you see down there? I see down there i go i look he goes and can you look that way and basically as far as i looked it was all his and he said by law he needs to kill 21 deer a year on his property because they deer are such a problem you know because there are no natural predators there's another thing they they found out. There's an article today. There was always these

these Myths about mountain lions being loose in England on the countryside really yeah, huh it turns out It's true it turns out it came from a zoo that just admitted recently that they released these Pumas They released these fucking mountain lions that they had in captivity so that people had like they're you know They had been ridiculed. Like, oh, someone took away a big cat, took away my sheep. Oh, this motherfucker's drinking. No, they were telling the truth.

These fucking mountain lions were released in the 1980s. That's amazing. In the countryside in England. Damn. Yeah. It's fucking crazy-ass zoo. Seems like they could live in all that forest. Well, as long as...

Here it goes. The beasts of Dartmoor... that's how you say it? Dartmoor? Mystery solved as Zoo admits it released pumas into the wild in the 1980s. So that was one of those things. I think it was on that show Monster Quest where they were trying to figure out. Look at how awesome they are. They're amazing, man.

They're amazing. And, you know, my buddy has a 70-pound or 75-pound German Shepherd, like a bite-trained. You know, it's a complete badass dog. And I was looking at it, and if you look at the size of that thing's head, it may be 75 pounds. It doesn't look like much. Good luck fighting that thing off. I've seen that thing hit a sleeve, and it's horrific how powerful they are. Mountain lions get up to what, 150 pounds?

They can get bigger than that. Twice that size? It's rare, but also they're cats. And cats are just way more agile. I got a great story about mountain lions. A friend of mine is a guide, an elk hunting guide in Colorado. And he said that they found these tracks of this mountain lion. They have to kill a certain amount of mountain lions on their property because they have this gigantic ranch.

And, you know, they have a certain amount of tags that they have to fill or they they should fill and um so you know they try to control the populations of mountain lions so they were trying to find this mountain lion they're tracking this mountain lion they track these tracks and they saw elk tracks and they saw mountain lion tracks and then they saw only elk tracks oh because the mountain lion had jumped on the back of this fucking gigantic 900 pound bull elk and rode it for 150 yards and then taken it down damn so this 150 pound cat who they wound up killing had killed this you know close to a thousand pound elk that is unreal man but when they found it

the fucking mountain lion was on the elk and the elk was down and then you know they followed the tracks of this elk running with this cat on its back the thing just leaped I imagine being something like a person you know you weigh 170 pounds yeah like like a cat a cat and you decide oh I'm gonna jump on that thousand-pound horse and kill it with my face. And their canines have sensors, apparently, where they can sense

where the jugular is, so they keep adjusting their grip. Oh, God. Good God, man. Well, it's nature, man. Nature's just so creepy, and it's ways of adjusting to life. Life eats life. My friend Andreas Antonopoulos, my friend the Bitcoin expert, explained this to me last weekend in Vegas. Ducks have three foot long dicks that curl and twist because the female vaginas have adapted to fight off rape.

Duck rape. Yeah. adapted to fight off rape duck rape yeah so they have these pussies that are these fucking labrinus these twisty turny labrinth pussies and they can choose to let sperm in or not let sperm in with their gigantic labrinth pussies and these three-foot long duck dicks when you see a duck's dick, you're like, that is not real. Look at that duck's dick. That's a drawing. That's a drawing, but there's an actual photograph.

That's an actual photograph of a duck dick. What in the fuck? Damn. That's like a person with like a 15 foot long dick. Yeah. Ducks are tiny, man. Of course, true dick. Like a person with a three foot dick is a monster.

Yeah. But a duck with a three foot long dick is totally standard. That's a dick. That's a limp one. That's a real dick. That guy's a little dick. Like a person with a three foot dick is a monster. Yeah. But a duck with a three foot long dick is totally standard. That's a dick. That's a limp one. That's a real dick. That guy's a little dick. He gets shamed by the other ducks. Poor guy.

Yeah, I mean, duck dicks are ridiculous. It's a fucking ridiculous animal. I knew that ducks engaged in rape or gang rape. Oh, that's all they do. That's the only way they fuck. They gang up on one female. Look how the female's vagina has sort of adapted to deal with the male raping. They've created these bizarre pathways in their pussies. When you listen to Dan Carlin's Wrath of the Khans or you read history,

and it was always, here we come we're knocking down your walls when we're selling everybody into slavery history is a is a history of rape right so most women basically were like ah shit walls are coming down we're about to our men are going to be killed we're going to be we're going to be raped i mean it just happened over and over and over i would imagine that most of history is a story like that and women were basically just forced to be taken by, you know, either a group of men or whatever. Just like most of animal history. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really, it's just brutal. It's really interesting how, I guess, women had to adapt and evolve. And this woman wrote an article, and I can't remember her name because it was pretty controversial.

And she said that because, you know, so much of history, women had no choice. They were forced upon by men. One of two things happened. First, they had to find the man who was the most aggressive and strong who could protect them from the other men. So for women to be attracted to aggression and strength is not so uncommon. But the other really controversial thing she said was that there are cases where women are turned on by aggressive sex, you know, being held down or all that stuff. And it's probably the fact that they had to evolve because otherwise they'd get injured if they didn't get lubricated.

You know, it's kind of like, I read that. I was like, well, good luck with that. But that was, you know, she was a female anthropologist.

I can't remember her fucking name, but I was like, well, boy, that if, can you imagine coming out with that article? And, and that's my,

this is my thesis for, uh, in anthropology and Amherst college, everybody. I mean, it's a very objective thought process. I mean, there's,

there's evolution. It's just evolution. Well, it's, it's called evolving. Yeah. And dealing with Evolution. It's just evolution. Well, it's also... It's called evolving and dealing with aggression the way the ducks did. Well, and also dealing

with the natural world that you find yourself in, which is just filled with danger and murder and constant warfare. I mean, that's what people did. That's all people did. I mean, there was

states of peace interrupted by war. Yeah. And states of peace. I mean, Genghis Khan killed... And his children and his armies killed 10 of the population of the world during his lifetime it's amazing there's

a new york times article they wrote where they were saying that he altered the carbon footprint of human beings on earth a measurable altering of the carbon footprint because they'd killed so many people like you could measure the difference in the amount of people that were there before him and after him by core samples yeah like well you know i mean hitler did something similar in the russian countryside he killed entire villages because he was trying to clear an area for you know sort of the migration of the German peoples. The idea that, you know, let's get rid of these sort of people that think and talk differently and let's create a utopia. Well, what Genghis Khan did that was so fucked up is he did it all before there was even

guns. Yeah, I mean, Jesus Christ. With bows and arrows. They killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 70 million people while he was alive. Well, he said, I think what he said was really neat. I never forgot. He said the Romans would create a wasteland and call it peace. And to an extent, the, you know, the con, the gang's con did the same thing.

Well, not only that, what's interesting is how history looks at them now. And that's one of the things that Dan Carlin was talking about. Carlin was talking about how people tend to look in the future. They'll look at, and he was actually using it in terms of like, would people do this with the Nazis? When enough time has passed, you can say, well, he cleared the road for trade to the east. Yeah, yeah. What was the silver lining in in massive genocide yeah yeah yeah and then very controversial but of course with everything it goes back to exactly what we were talking about where where when you come up in the ghetto you might just create miles davis i mean there's a lot of heartache

and terrible things and from shit is the brightest flower that kind of stuff yeah and, there's a lot of heartache and terrible things, and from shit is the brightest flower, that kind of stuff. Yeah, and once there's enough time passed, then you can sort of look at it with this distance. And you can kind of objectively look at it and go, well, you know, here's the benefit of that. Here's the silver lining. Where that doesn't really hold up, though, is if you look at where the bulk of innovation and artistic expression on a high level came out of it. It came out of free societies. I mean, look at what Sparta left behind. Nothing. And look at what Athens left behind.

Right. Well, sort of. But Sparta left behind a deep history of warriors. Mythology. Yeah, yeah. But nothing you can really hang your hat on. In other words, story and talk about hardship and separating a child from his mother and all that stuff. Gerard Butler, 300. And kicking

people into wells. Yeah. But yes, it's the... Spartan. There's a mythology that, a warrior ethos that you can, you know, kind of, I'm a Spartan, but Athens, the Acropolis and the writings of the great... All the butt-fucking, right? The philosophy, the butt-fucking, the idea

of demos, democracy, demos the people. These are All the butt-fucking, right? other people's ideas and a society that for the most part, at least from a historical perspective, gives a great deal of freedom and benefit to those that have the guts to come up with their own ideas. Well, that's the interesting aspect about what the United States is as this experiment and self-government and what it is, what it started off as, what it is currently, is that this is the most recent of countries. And it's also the one that has overwhelmingly the most innovation, the most artistic contributions. We're pioneers. There's so much that comes out of here in terms of comedy, film. I mean, obviously the rest of the world has its contributions.

I'm not saying that the United States is the best. I mean, the Beatles came out of England. There's a lot of amazing works of art that come out of all over the world. But this country is a hotbed of artistic expression and innovation. By far, in a way, the biggest. And it's the most recent. Now, the oldest country that we know of, the cradle of civilization, is the Middle East. Yeah, Iraq.

And those are the townies of the world. This is a thought that I've been bouncing around for a long time. This is the reason why those places are so fucked up. It's because the echoes of savages, the echoes of these ancient people are still in this area. It's so difficult. You've got to get out of the fucking town, man. You've got to leave the town. Well, but see, the great tragedy is that, and they've done a lot of studies on,

why do some nations fail and why do some nations become prosperous? And you can break it down into a number of things. See, the problem with the Middle East is, for a thousand reasons we can get into, and a lot of it was just foreign invasion and foreign meddling and stuff like that. How about Genghis Khan? Yes. I mean, what he did to Baghdad in 1260. Yeah, well, they say that to this day,

Baghdad maybe still hasn't recovered from them invading and killing. They said that the rivers ran red with blood and ink, black with ink. Like all the amazing works. The libraries burned and everything else. Islamic scholars throughout history were like innovators. They were like the head of math and philosophy.

Of course. Yeah. And a lot of people say that the Middle East has never even recovered, has never quite recovered from that. But, you know, there are so many important things for why a nation, you know, But, you know, there are so many important things for why a nation, you know, for example, one is that your political parties that lose live to see another day. That is very important. When you lose an election in a lot of countries, like the hardliners, somebody said to me, I said, why are the hardliners in Iran such a pain in the ass? He goes, because if they lose, they will die. That's a very important thing to keep in mind. So when you have power and your survival depends on holding on to power, you're going to have a secret police that basically is pretty brutal when they sniff any kind of insurrection. This country is pretty amazing. What's so unique about the United States is after the Revolutionary War, after every Revolutionary War, the country always breaks into civil war,

always. And the founding fathers had incredible restraint and wisdom to allow the election after that war to go as it would. They didn't resort to violence. That's so unique in history. But our country and the UK and Australia and Canada and a couple other countries, when you lose, democracy is built on the idea that when your political party loses, you live to see another day and fight on. Very important. The other is property rights. You need property rights. The other is courts that mean something. And the other is the scientific method. You have to embrace the scientific method. A society has to say that it's not about superstition. This is not a theology. Let's base reality on what you can

measure and what you can see. Those things are so fucking important. If you don't have those central principles as a through line, if that's not the scaffolding of your society, you're just not going to do as well as a country like of your society, you're not going to do, you're just not going to do as well as a country like the United States. You're not going to have people that innovate because there's no fucking incentive. There's no incentive in it. You're not going to benefit from it. You could get it stolen or you could be killed because you think differently or all those

things. Well, also you're not safe enough to innovate. Yeah. You don't have the ability to express yourself. You don't have the ability to express yourself. You don't have the ability to take chances. Yeah. So the irony, the ironic thing is when you're sensitive and nice to people, when you're empathetic, and when you're respectful of other people, even the ones you disagree with,

you make a stronger society. Your society is stronger in every way, including militarily, including you have more innovation with weaponry. And on that note. God, I'm smart,arily. Including you have more innovation with weaponry. And on that note... God, I'm smart, guys. Did you write that shit down? You're amazing. You have your own podcast? I got more on podcast. And by the way, I'm taking that podcast on the road with a guy named Brennan

Schaub. Oh, that's a different podcast. Oh, no, this is... Yeah, yeah. But let's talk about the Fighter and Kid for a second, because Brennan will beat me up if I don't talk about this. What? He beats you up? July 29th, he hits me. He strikes me with an open hand. He pulls my pants down and spanks me. And you know he could. And I couldn't do anything about it. And I've tried. I've tried to fight

him. And it bothers me because sometimes I get jumpy with him. I get jumpy and I'll get underhooks on him. He's a giant. No, no, no. He's weird. He's weird giant-y. Well, you're kind of tiny. Dude, don't use that word. Just say medium. Alright? Just say medium. Kind of medium I guess? I said the other day, kind of tiny dude don't use that word just say medium alright just say medium kind of medium I guess

I said the other day I said I don't believe you could I don't believe if we were to go take down for take down and I tried to do a little upper body greco

with him yeah and it didn't go well and I got so flustered and hurt I actually tweaked my neck that I left my wallet and my phone

on my fucking car I let and you drove off I let Brendan's brother drive my car and I yeah you smashed your phone. Yeah. We've been talking about that recently that I think

that people have a massive overestimation. Massive. Of what they can and can't do with their body. Hang around Brendan's shop. Forget Brendan's shop. We played this video of these people that put on these gigantic balloon suits and let

bulls hit them. What? You haven't seen this? No. We'll end on this. Okay. It's fucking insane that these people were willing to do this. But I think people have this idea in their head that, oh, the bull's coming.

I'm going to be fine. I'll just fucking get out of the way. You don't realize. They massively overestimate what they can and can't do with their body, how they can move their body. I got to see this. By the way, while we're watching this, July 29th, 30th, Phoenix Stand-Up Live. We're there.

We still have some tickets left. Live, Fighter and the Kid podcast show. It's a show. Me and Brennan Shaw. Brennan Shaw will be doing new stand-up. I'm very excited. Watch this. So these assholes, look at this.

No. Yeah. Meanwhile, their legs. Say goodbye to your ACL. Look at this. Watch this. So these assholes, look at this. No. Yeah. Meanwhile, their legs, like, say goodbye to your ACL. Look at this. Watch this. Boom! Boom! Holy cow.

I mean, these are massive, massive animals. Bulls are so mean. And meanwhile, they just eat grass. He looks like he's not hurt. I wonder if bulls would be nicer if they had a steak. Wait for it, though. Wait for it. Yeah, because it gets worse.

Like, this guy, he's like, oh, geez, man. This is fucked up This is just just started meanwhile. People are laughing. This is what people in rural environments do they laugh? They love my hand. I would never do Oh my fucking air that guy got The air that gentleman.. Oh, my lord. Yeah, that guy is fucked. And he hit him again while he's out cold. I mean, that dude flew through the air.

Flew. Oh! What about your legs, bro? One more time. Boom! Exactly. Well, it seems like that bull doesn't have horns. They probably sawed their horns off. Good God.

But whatever. That's not saving you. I might have to do that. But I don't have the guts. No, you shouldn't do that. Well, there's other ones. This is one that we looked at. They figured out a way to do it better, and the better one is a much larger ball where you're completely encased in the ball. Yes, that's better. You can't have it from your fucking waist down because your legs are super flexible

or super weak. I don't want my knees getting broken by a bull's head. And they will getting broken by a bull's head. And they will get broken by a bull's head. They'll get mangled. See if you can find the one. Yeah, you got the other one? You don't? Okay.

Well, there's other videos of them doing it where they figure, well, this is not safe enough. We got to get a much larger ball. A much larger ball. But you hear the people in the audience, that's what happens when you get a bunch of farmers and they're drunk

and they just wind up fucking each other. Yeah. On the snake tip. Well, I don't know just wind up fucking each other. On the sneak tip. Well, I don't know if they keep fucking each other. They fuck each other like crazy, those people. There's no one around. There's like fucking 30 people in the town. They're all fucking each other's wives.

Of course. Snaking around. Hey, I don't think your husband's a true Christian. You know, I just see the way he talks to you and it just makes me feel terrible about it. Oh, I don't feel. Can you rub my neck? Next thing you know. Oh, you muscle. Kid's got red it. Oh, I don't feel. Can you rub my neck? Neck's, you know. Oh, you're welcome.

Kid's got red hair. No, that's cum. Oh, God. I don't know. That's so much cum. I don't make that noise when I cum. That's a lot of cum. No, I'm like, you're welcome.

This is for you. You've earned it. Oh. Oh, I fart and cum at the same time. Take it, my nectar. Yeah. Okay. All right, guys.

Good night, everybody. It's Phoenix Live. See ya. July 29th and 30th. Brian Callen, Brendan Schaub. B-R-Y-A-N Callen. There's probably some asshole pretending to be Brian that's B-R-I-A-N Callen. Is there? Is there an I-A-N? Probably. Come see me in Oxnard, too.

Where are you in Oxnard? Levity Live. The new club. August 4th and 5th. That's gonna be great. August 4th and 5th that's gonna be great August 4th and 5th those Levity clubs are always the shit Joe Rogan's opening for me Rogan's opening

okay what day? August 4th and 5th can you come? let me find out let me find out what I'm doing yeah it could be

alright you fucks see you soon bye bye Thank you.