The Joe Rogan Experience - #828 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: August 1, 2016

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian and host of his own podcast “Duncan Trussell Family Hour”, available on Spotify.

Doodlaloo Doodlaloo Doodlaloo Man, we're live. Oh wow. Phil's live too. How do you know it went live? I trust this guy.

You just sense it when it happens? He tells me. He gives me a countdown. Oh, okay, I see. He gives me a countdown and then he does this oh That's cool. I'm trying to bring that back when you see people and you like them you give them the double guns It's a hard sell these days why everybody scared of guns oh you're saying It's funny you know like if the odds of you doing it you have to do it within a certain amount of time from a mass shooting, right? Yes.

Like you couldn't do it the day of. It couldn't be like a Columbine. You're like, Duncan. People are like, wow, he's so morose. What a fucked up sense of humor that guy's got. He's making fun day of. How could you? Why is that funny to him?

That is not funny. I can't believe you're fucking doing those signs. Dude, come on. Can I sit down and talk to you for a second? Bro, don't you think it's time? It's time to really talk about using these gun gestures. Because honestly, I know it's not really hurting anybody. But we have to pay respect to the people who have lost their lives from these terrible weapons.

And I just think we should remove it for reals. You just showed me the replacement emoji. Apple has a new emoji. Thank God. They got rid of the pistol and they turned it into a water gun. I'll tell you, man, every time I looked at that old pistol emoji, and this is no joke, when I used to look at it, it just filled me with a desire to go shoot up a fucking shopping mall, that emoji.

Wow. So I'm glad they got rid of it. Me, it made me want to go back to the old west. I wanted to be like a cowboy. Maybe if they had shopping malls. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Apple adds more gender diverse emojis in iOS 10. Please explain.

I just Googled new emoji to find the water pistol. And this is what came up first? Yeah. How dare you. How dare you bring this up. 100 new and redesigned emoji characters, including no more guns. Oh, female athletes. Okay.

That's cool. That's cool. Oh, so, okay. Gender diverse. All right. I'm a little too high for this show. I was thinking gender neutral. There we go.

Look at those beauts. Those are some sweet new emojis. That's actually cool. Nothing wrong with that. Emojis are weird. It's weird when friends start sending you emojis. Because for the longest time, guys never sent emojis. No way.

And now it's happening. I love them, man. What a useful fucking thing. Yeah. The animated GIFs and the emojis. Praise God in heaven. It's so great. It saves so much time.

It gets across so much more. Language is so limited, man. We have to like, it really is. I think we're going to hieroglyphs. What do you mean? Eventually, yeah. I think that's what these emojis are. Yeah, right.

I think they are a modern version of hieroglyphs that's right yeah they articulate so much you know that's like a very efficient form of language it just needs to get a little deeper so that the emojis are animated a little bit so that they can you can sort of tune in the emoji to this specific thing you're trying to convey to somebody instead of just the smiley face, which they have in the Apple watch. You can like, kind of like you can control it a little bit. The smiley face emoji, you just need to be able to dial it in a little bit more. Do you think by limiting, like by keeping it more open-ended, right? Like instead of having

a bunch of like descriptives, nouns and verbs and things like that, instead of having a bunch of like descriptives nouns and verbs and things like that instead of that having more of an open-ended idea Like a smiley face. Yeah, like a smiley face And then knuckles which is like yo, give me some knuckles. I'll see you later Yeah, you know I mean like you can kind of like keep it in this Weird non defined state like we both know what it is both know what it is, but it's not written anywhere. Yeah. And it relieves you of having to compose some sentence. Do I use an exclamation mark here?

Should I use a comma? What do I need to say? I'm going to see him in like 20 minutes. It's way easier to do like an alien head, a thumbs up a smiley face that says everything it's fun too yeah yeah it's fun when someone sends you like an alien head and then a pile of shit and you're like what the hell does that mean how do i decipher this but yeah it's it's such a it's such a wonderful emerging language it just needs to get animated and you know the animated gifts are amazing for really going deep into how you're feeling some of them are awesome

yeah they're fantastic they're fantastic it's so fun to send those things man yeah well memes i mean like internet memes really funny ones are really like a new kind of comedy. It's like a short, it's like, these are jokes, these are like punchlines, but sometimes better than someone saying anything, because you're seeing it. Like, Tom Segura had one on his page today, with his face, and there's a popular one that keeps going around, when you nut, but she keeps sucking. Look at Tom Segura's. I mean, this is in no way saying that he invented this

because I think he'd be the first to admit. He's piggybacking on a meme that we all know, right? I don't know who wrote that first meme. When you nut nut and she keeps looking at his face look at his face oh my god it's hilarious but this um this meme when you nut and she keeps sucking there's like fucking hundreds of them have you seen them like just google when you nut and she keeps sucking and then go to images and you'll be like, oh my God, there's so many.

Wow. Look at that. Dude, there's hundreds of these. Wow. I would like to know the percentage. I'd like to know the percentage of people who have created these that have never gotten a blowjob. I wonder what it is. Like 15, 20%. That's a blowjob. I wonder what it is. Like 15, 20 percent.

That's a good one. That Superman one's a good one. It's funny because you could put that on faces all throughout history. You know? Chimp. Oh my God. And there's also versions of it how you be when you bust but she keeps sucking or she's still sucking this guy's playing the cello when you finish but she keeps sucking there's so many of them that might be like one of the most persistent jokes currently on the

internet oh my god it's a bill cosby one oh look they've got the one of the the indian guy who died during a speech had a stroke what yeah that guy just died oh i saw that on the internet is that what happened yeah he had a he had a stroke as he was speaking yes whoa see look you can look right before and that in the related images whoa that's incredible right before in the universe images. Whoa, that's incredible. Right before in the universe, out of the universe. Whoa. In, out. And he died right there? Yeah, I think, well, I mean,

depends on how you define death. Oh, goodbye. Out of here. The best death. That is crazy. The best death. That's one of the best deaths. You're witnessing like,

he just made a great point that he thinks is kind of funny and then he dies. Gone. Wow. A blessed exit from this incarnation. That is a crazy image. Yeah. Who is that guy?

Do you know who he is? Nope. Hmm. How'd you find him, Jamie? Just from the stack? Yeah. That's a crazy story who like it's so funny when he died he guaranteed did not think he would land in a when you nut and she could keep sucking

meme that the power of his death that he would shatter into a million things and one of them is a meme well here's the thing about these memes. There's guys who are like meme artists and they're really, really funny. And then there's also people that they kind of like Carlos Mencia memes. Oh yeah. I probably should stop using

that guy's name like that. It's rude. What's really sad is everyone knows what that means. Yeah. When you, there was just someone just tweeted that there's a, there's a product in the UK that stole Mitch Hedberg's joke. It's a rice product that has just written in the back his joke. Like when you want to eat rice, when you want to eat 2000 of the same things or whatever, they like just pop that right on the back, but they didn't credit him.

They credited the name of their mascot for the company. Well, it's a problem with memes because people do it all the time. There's people that have pages where all their memes are someone else's that they don't give credit for. Right. And then they get caught, and then they have to start re you know retweeting stuff but sometimes you you retweet the wrong person you know you you retweet someone who just copied it from somebody else yeah i've had that happen more than once you don't know but

they're funny so it's like what do you do do you just retweet it because you think it's funny and you laugh or should you hold on to it until you can find ownership of the meme yeah i mean i it's funny and you laugh or should you hold on to it until you can find ownership of the meme yeah i mean i it's a good question right it's a good i think if you can give credit give credit but if we spend too much time getting caught up in meme distribution then we're going to lose what is so beautiful about the thing which is that i create some meme upload it to the internet, and it either just molders on Imgur or whatever, or it just scatters in a trillion pieces everywhere. There's something really cool and beautiful in that. And I don't think meme transmitters are thieves, mostly.

There's just a few scumbags who take people's shit and don't credit them and then they get punished usually they get punished by the internet and well severely absolutely but there have been a bunch of people that have done it and they're now making money off of it yeah that that's where it gets weird yeah because there's a bunch of people that are just really funny and maybe they're introverts and they never were really good at cracking jokes socially because they're nervous. But they're funny. They have a funny mind. Yes.

And so this is a form of joke writing and joke telling. Yeah. A really good one, too. So somebody had to be the first person to come up with when she, you know, when you come, but she keeps sucking. Someone has to be. So this is like this massive plagiarism that we're all laughing at. Yeah, but you know. Is that what it is?

I don't think. I mean, how do you, like that guy deserves credit because he is funny, right? The guy who invented it first? Yeah, that's a funny guy. Like that was a good idea. It's funny. He definitely deserves credit for it. So I know what you're saying, but then eventually you're going to, like, I guess you can watermark your meme, right?

Like, he could have watermarked it. You see that sometimes. But eventually the watermark is going to get taken off because, you know, people are putting in new pics. Well, yeah. I mean, the second one is there's hundreds of different images. So, like, you could never watermark that. And what's very funny about it is the take the word come for example there was a first human who for whatever reason decided to call his ejaculation come he just decided on who the fuck was that guy there's first that's a huge

point because it's that's universal it's universal yeah it's you know how do you trace it back? I mean, every single word that a human being uses, theoretically, you could follow it backwards through time in the same way you follow any organic life form. that language mutates over time and you know that somewhere way way back in the back of the line there had to be somebody who's like we'll call it a mountain or whatever the precursor term for mountain was somebody was like it's a that someone does that right it has to right yeah has to someone so isn't that the idea that at one point in time we all had a universal language? But it became a giant issue because people were sort of conspiring and they were talking too much So one of the ways that God had separated us I might be butchering this story talking about the Tower of Babel Yeah, yeah, they wanted to construct a tower to reach heaven. Hmm and God Was I guess like fuck that it's like when ants get in your house or whatever they're getting too advanced do you think that's a reverse engineered idea like do you think that's

someone who maybe has experienced like brief moments of human potential and realized like we're missing out on what people are capable of there's got to be a way where we could all come together excuse me but when there's people from one country like japan and they're arguing with what people are capable of. There's got to be a way where we could all come together. Excuse me. But when there's people from one country like Japan and they're arguing with someone from Germany and how much of what the fuck each person is saying is even getting through. Yeah. You know, I mean, you're having translators. You're supposed to be going to war with people. You don't even understand what they're saying.

Right. Right. Imagine that. Yeah. We could all speak to each other. We all could speak one language. What would happen? What? I mean, isn't that like maybe what that Tower of Babel is all about sort of like a reverse engineered Yeah, well, it's with a like almost saying like the imagine the power

the godlike power people could have if they could all openly and honestly communicate with each other freely and Experience this idea that we're not, we're not, you're not my enemy because you were born over there. Right. Like this is nonsense. This is some crazy old shit that we should have abandoned a long time ago. You are looking in the Bible, those stories. One thing that I just did, I'm so glad you brought this up just for fun.

One of my favorite, in the New Testament, my favorite gospel is the book of John and the very beginning of the book of John is some of the trippiest shit you'll ever read. But I went back to that. And so I did a find and replace. Anyone can do this. It's so cool. Find and replace the word God with the programmer. And then you can start replacing words with modern day simulation theory ideas. So you know, when it talks about Jesus, it's like he was sent into the simulation to bring an upgrade and those that accepted the upgrade would be children of the programmer. You start doing that and suddenly you look at this like amazing, it gets really trippy, right? So when you talk about the Tower of Babel and you look at it from the perspective of this is a simulation being run by some intelligent creator force, right?

Right. Right, right. So you see again and again, well not again and again, but right now I can think of two times where the programmer looks at the simulations like, oh shit, they're about to wake up. uncomfortable when the simulation appears to be gaining too much power and has to like shift the programming a little bit because there appears to be some kind of, in the mythology of the Bible, there seems to be a recurring nervousness that the programmer gets when it seems like the simulation is about to reach some certain level of power or awareness. This is in the book of Genesis. They say, you know, they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, gained self-awareness, and there was another tree they weren't supposed to eat from, the tree of life. And God says, it's weird because in the Quran and in the Bible, it's referred to as like the plural rather than the singular. So the verse is something like,

if they eat from the tree of life, they will become like us, right? Not like me, like us. So there's like, we have to keep these beings somewhat curtailed because we don't know what they're going to do if they gain too much power. That's in the mythology of the thing. And it kind of works from the simulation theory perspective. If we're a simulation that's on the precipice of a kind of singularity, which would be the simulation somehow becoming self-aware, then for whatever reason, whoever's running the show doesn't want that to happen or hasn't wanted it to happen throughout time. You know?

Well, it's also, if you're talking about like eating from the tree of life and becoming like them, I mean, that is about as psychedelic as you can get. Yeah. You're literally talking about eating something and becoming a God. Yeah. You're talking about eating from the tree. Like, what is the tree of life? Everybody's like, oh, whatever. Yeah. Whatever. It's a god. Yeah. You're talking about eating from the tree like what is the tree of life? Everybody's like oh whatever. Yeah. Whatever. It's a tree. It's

you know what God there was trees back then. Sure. Like this if you're a literal believer of the Bible you have to think that there was not just an experience where God showed up right not just this this this thing that happened where God came down he spoke to you and elevated you no you're saying people shouldn't eat from a tree oh yeah because they could become a god yeah i mean that's kind of where if you're translating stuff from ancient hebrew to greek to latin to all these different languages to english you you know that there's some weird shit being lost along the way and one of them is probably calling it a tree right?

Because we didn't even know there's a fucking amazing radio lab out. It's loud. It's out right now It's about um about trees and the the intelligence of trees and that trees communicate and that they share resources They allocate resources toward the needier ones. Yeah, they have this Interaction with fungus this symbiotic relationship with fungus Yeah, it is fucking incredible man where the fungus are eating these microscopic bugs and getting their nutrients from these microscopic bugs and that's where the trees are getting their nutrients from and some of them get him from Salmon there's trees that were like they got 70 are getting their nutrients from. And some of them get them from salmon.

There's trees that were like, they got 70% of their nitrogen from salmon. Wow. Because bears would eat under these trees. They would eat and they would leave like fish heads under the trees. And like the bears would continue to return to these same trees. And these trees would eat the fucking fish. Wow. The fungus inside their soil and the mycorrhizal relationship that they have it's amazing man it's amazing dude they're they're all life form that we are sleeping on yeah this

plants like and this is not a dig against anybody who's a vegetarian or anyone on the other end of the spectrum that only eats meat. Take the ideologies out. Because everybody knows that I eat meat. Or everybody that listens to this podcast. And I've had issues with people before that are proselytizing vegans. I understand that you're doing it for a good reason. You're doing it for the right purposes. And I'm happy for everybody that is living their life that way.

If you're enjoying it and you're healthy, let's all just that go just look at this for a second Forget about what you're eating What plants are is some strange? Intelligent network of organisms and when I say intelligent, I don't say it can fucking do math I'm, not saying it can send emails and create Fucking moon rockets rockets but they communicate with each other there's something going on they don't need to do all those other things we defined intelligence far too frequently by what we have created and what what we can do with our fingers and with our mouths and

with our ability to communicate with each other audibly you know in a manner where I'm talking in your hearing and we don't respect other forms of communication because this we're so attached To our idea of what communicating is we're ignoring some really basic shit Yeah with how these plants and these fungi communicate with each other They're they're fucking they're not just communicating with each other sending signals if one of them is getting eaten They're sending signals through the air and it's forcing the other plants to change the way they taste to discourage predation. They're communicating when they're hurt. Wow.

Dude, they allocate resources to more needy plants. They find out who in the network is needy, and they allocate resources. This radio lab is fascinating. That's cool, man. They share resources with these microbes or with these fungus. And also because you were saying, well, they can't send emails. But if you look at, I mean, you separated the human biome somehow from the plant kingdom, which you can't do. We're completely connected to the plant kingdom because we need oxygen to live.

So we are deeply, deeply woven into that fabric of intelligence that you're talking about to the point that we actually kind of grow out of that fabric of intelligence because we have a symbiotic relationship with plants just to exist on planet Earth. So you're talking about what is called, have you heard of the web of Indra? No. The web of Indra. It's also called the net of Indra or the web of Indra. What is this from? This is Hinduism. So the idea is that a way to explain the sort of interconnectedness of all things is this like, imagine like a web or a net where at every single nexus point there is a jewel. The jeweled net avenger, that's what it's called. So then, now imagine that every creature on Earth or in this universe that has any kind of sentience at all composes a tiny little jewel on this net and so this net is every jewel is connected via like whatever connects us to plants everything is connected that's alive which means that any slight movement in any of these jewels creates a vibration that rolls through

infinity through the entire net of indra affecting all other sentient beings in some small way it's basically the idea is any there it is the jeweled net of indra so anything that you do it gets sort of vibrated through the rest of the thing anything that happens in the micro happens in the macro Macro happens in the micro. It's a beautiful idea man And and and it seems like this new discovery that's come out about plants has in some way really shined shown a light on the complexity of that Incredible net you know because it's so complex, because then it gets

down to probably the quantum level, too. I mean, if you think of the quantum reactions happening inside the plants to create these biochemical shifts, it's startling when you imagine all the weird chemical and atomic movement that's happening inside of the thing itself. It's overwhelmingly beautiful and hard to imagine that we get to be a piece of it, which is pretty cool. But the plants are sending email, you know, because we are the plants. The plants are us. The plants are affecting. Remember McKenna always talked about exo pheromones.

Remember that exo pheromones? He'd say that plants have pheromones that they exo pheromones you'd say that marrow that plants have pheromones that they put out to like what you're saying to discourage predation bring in bees i like that i said predation like i'm smart but it's a great word but the um uh so uh he would say that psychedelics marijuana dmt these are ex-pheromones from the vegetable world I can't do a McKenna impression but these are exo-pheromones coming into our biome

and shifting our consciousness in a way to try to manipulate our behavior a little bit and also all the stuff coming out of the gut biome too not only is there this flourishing vegetable kingdom that is like clearly alive and has its own alien intelligence but we've got fucking gut biomes

filled with these bacteria that could theoretically be controlling our cravings right so we're being manipulated by these colonies of alien beings living in our guts telling us get another fucking candy bar man wouldn't that be good isn't that cool so true yeah it's so true there's this darkness inside you that wants that sugar yeah it's a little demon little demon that feeds off sugar well it's a modern it's Well, it's a modern way of saying demonic possession. In the old days, you'd be like, you got a demon, motherfucker. Now it's like, well, your gut biome is craving carbohydrates to survive. Look, if you've got the plague, how is that any different than you being attacked by vampires?

Right. Something's trying to kill you. Do we take comfort in the idea that it's some microscopic thing that we can't even see? Yeah. Because that makes you feel better? It looks a lot weirder than a fucking vampire, by the way. A lot weirder. It's not a well-dressed man with a cape and fangs. You're looking at some kind of strange, globular, transforming bit of plasma that's swimming around inside of you, actively trying to

destroy you. He can't even see it. He can't even see it. We didn't even find them until, like, what? When did they invent microscopes, if you had to guess? 1800s? I couldn't guess that, and that's a sad thing, man. I couldn't guess that. I'm gonna guess. I think Brian Callen was talking

about this in relationship to them discovering bacteria with surgery oh no it was Chris I think it was Chris Ryan I think Chris Ryan might have been the first one I don't remember I'm giving people credit I'm not sure but um the idea was that they didn't know what what bacteria was for like a long time they didn't wash their hands and people died of horrible infections when they were able to do surgery on people. It was like, oh, good luck. The guy, so this is, I can't remember the guy's name.

You maybe can find it, Jamie. It's the guy, he was, he realized, so doctors would apparently, they would like do autopsies on corpses to try to understand how the human body worked. It used to be illegal. It was like a big deal to cut open a corpse. So doctors were studying corpses, and apparently they didn't know you should wash your hands

after you handle a corpse. So you would, like, fuck around with a corpse and then go deliver a baby, right? And the babies, there was a very high infant mortality rate. So I can't remember his name, but a doctor discovered, oh, wow, mind-blowing idea. You should wash your hands before you deliver a baby. And there it is. Yeah. He ended up in a fucking mental asylum because they weren't listening to him. And, uh, apparently what doctor said, gentlemen do not need to wash their hands. Oh my God. Yeah. A gentleman. A gentleman does not wash his hands because they're just innately clean.

So yeah, man, people had no idea. They thought that your cum was filled with tiny little men, you know, like little humans were in there, like tiny little. Yeah. Yeah. Why did they think that until? Until the microscope, I imagine, until finally someone fucking came on a microscope. Until the microscope, I imagine, until finally someone fucking came on a microscope.

How long after the invention of the microscope did someone shoot a load on one? Three minutes! Exactly however long it took to reach orgasm after building it. Well, it's like we were talking about virtual reality. We were like, how long before they made a porn? I mean, when the moment they came up with Oculus, we knew. Yeah. It's a matter of time. Yeah.

Matter of time. And they did it. And they did it. And it is going to create some fucking hilarious earthquakes and a lot of different relationships and marriages because people are going to have to uh define whether or not fucking a hologram is a form of infidelity like you're gonna have to make a rule for that in in your relationship is it okay to fuck a hologram not alive not a person but looks like it's fucking you looking you right in the eyes right in the fucking eyes oh my god dude yeah it's pretty weird because your brain when a hologram is looking at you in the eyes

in a loving way your brain doesn't reject it it's like oh wow i think this girl really likes me oh wait it's a hologram but in one millisecond you get this feeling of like strange connection which is uh and again we're in the most rudimentary parts of vr only apparently only i just read this it might have been a dated article but only a hundred thousand people or so own an HTC Vive if that's drastically off you guys I'm sorry but not a lot of people have VR goggles right now so not a lot of people and there's a lot of us who are fucking ear-beating people at parties who clearly just don't want to hear about any more than you want to hear about someone talking about a dream. But there's a huge group of people right now that

are having some of the most psychedelic, mind-bending experiences through technology, and they can't even talk about it or describe it to people. Because when you describe it, it's like you're talking about a dream. But you're like, no, this is happening to a lot of us right now. We're going into alternate dimensions via technology and hanging out there, enjoying it, experiencing the freedom from the confines of being constantly, infinitely located in whatever physical space your body happens to be inhabiting, to suddenly remove that weight. So now I can pop these things on and instantly translocate to some art universe that some geniuses created, fuck around, shoot arrows, wander through Minecraft, have sex with two girls who I was apparently going to throw out of my house

if they didn't fuck me. That's what the porn is I have. Which, by the way, I'd never do that. But in this universe, I guess that's what I did. So they're kind of rapey. What? It's not rapey. It's just like, please, I don't have money for the rent.

Can I suck your dick? Oh, so it's her idea. Oh, yeah. You're not raping her. It's not like look you got you got to give up some pussy Otherwise, I'm kicking you to the street. You could say it if you want into the porn I mean you could say whatever you want. Wait a minute. You tell you have a microphone Yeah, I'm a microphone, but you can talk to it if you want to be a weirdo But okay, how long before you can talk to it? How long before it talks back to you? Well, you're looking at like, so we got to figure out a way to either, I mean, I imagine

that probably exists in some rudimentary way for some kind of CGI style porn, but to be able to like instantaneously communicate with live video porn, you're going to need some kind of AI that I don't think we probably have just yet. Or we are probably on the... But yes, that will happen. It's coming. Oh, that's definitely going to happen. I watched Ex Machina again on a plane the other day.

I watched it for the second time. Yeah, that's cool. It was just as good the second time. That movie freaks me out, man. Why? Because the girl's so beautiful, and she's so attractive. Like, you know, that guy, you could see as much as he knew that she was a robot,

as much as he knew that he wasn't a robot, as much as he knew that she was artificial, he was in love with her. And she was amazing. And it seemed like she cared about him. And when she was talking to him for real, like when the lights went out and the camera was down, spoiler alert, and she was like, don't trust him. I'm like like this is like a real person yeah it's a real person she's thinking like a person it's a person yeah and he's like completely locked into this idea that it's a person he's hypnotized it's a person i mean i don't this whole distinction between artificial intelligence and intelligence is the same as the distinction between virtual reality and reality

it's just like another human attempt to be in control of something you want you want to say oh i'll tell you if this is fucking reality or not oh this is virtual reality this isn't reality reality but it's like oh really yeah so reality is compartmentalized into places where there's if something is created by a human oh no that's not real reality even though humans are reality reality's reality intelligence is intelligence because the intelligence is inhabiting something that isn't the human vessel it goes back to what we were talking about earlier what because it's not in a fucking meat body now it's artificial intelligence how is why intelligence is intelligence yeah and again I

think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier that we try to define intelligence by our own measures like the ability to write something down yeah the ability to move how about that we we have that inexorably connected to intelligence you have to be able to move to show me your thinking and communicating right like despite what this woman was saying a scientist on this radio lab podcast is that she goes i don't want to say that they're she's like it's hard to say that if they're intelligent it's hard to say but what's going on is their network closely resembles a brain right the way it looks and also the way it's it's operating they it's as neuron like responses yeah there's there's data being passed back and forth right that

we're just not we not you not me for sure we don't we're not doing any research but these people we are someone I'm saying we as in humans right they're just figuring this out really recently yeah I think everything has a conscience or a consciousness yes i think every everything that you eat and i think that obviously plants for the most part are like way less violent than animals you know like when you're taking in plants yeah it's just sent it it seems to make sense that it would be like a more peaceful existence. Like the way you think about it, like you're,

you're just consuming plants. Like look at all the animals that only consume plants. Right. They're all like really peaceful. Yes. But then the animals that consume animals and plants, they got to get dirty. Yes.

Those animals get, and the ones that only meet, those are the scary ones. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it kind of makes sense i mean 100 you need different tools for yeah taking down a deer than you do for eating

a piece of broccoli well it's just i think people are trying to like move away from the system that requires the violence and like a part of that the idea that is to eat plants yeah because like even if you're eating a life form you're you're you're you're less involved in violent activity like if you're eating meat you're involved in violent activity right some way even fish you're involved in some sort of violent activity those fish have to be they don't just instantaneously die they got to be yanked into another dimension beat over the head with wooden clubs thrown into ice checks chest where they'll flop and gasp for air until they finally go still i mean that's what happens when you eat fish man

you know it is one thing that's very that that all this indicates is how there's so much compassion inside of human beings because whether you eat meat or whether you eat a vegetarian diet, if you're thinking about this, it's really cool. That's one of the cool things about us is that we have this sense of like, man, this does seem to be a violent thing that I'm doing here. I know this thing I'm eating has suffered to some degree that I would never want anyone I know to suffer or myself, you know, so there's compassion there, man. And we want to live in a world where we don't hurt things. And if you do want to live in a world where you hurt things,

well, then you're probably in a lot of pain yourself right yeah but so then but you get this is man this is the fucking bhagavad-gita because the bhagavad-gita starts with a warrior arjun looking out on this uh this fucking massive army and saying to god the charioteer, I see my friends here. I see fathers and teachers and men that I respect. By killing them, don't I destroy my own soul? Wouldn't it be better to go off into the forest and live as a renunciate than to gain all the wealth in the world, but to have the blood of my teachers on my hands. And this is the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita.

And you would think, because it's one of Gandhi's favorite books, that the response would be, you're right. Let's not kill. Let's not fight. We're going to go in the woods. But the response, God says, you speak words of wisdom, but you do not understand. That's the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita. That's where it starts is here's why you fight.

Here's why you have to kill sometimes. Here's why there is action in the universe that will result in pain and suffering. to me the best like answer to all of this is uh when krishna reveals his universal form is his cause called he becomes this monstrous thing and arjuna is describing what he's seeing and this is the oppenheimer quote i am become death destroyer of worlds and arjuna is saying i see in your teeth the limbs of all humans being chewed and eaten you're consuming everything you're eating everything is basically what he's saying and then he says can you please turn back into my friend because it's so fucking intense to see that. And so the response is, okay, let's stop killing everything. But look, you're getting eaten by the universe no matter what you do. You're being ground to dust by the force of time.

There is no escape from this. You are in the digestive tract of a being that is gradually transforming you into nothingness, depending on what you want to believe, unless you think that there's some eternal perpetual soul, in which case the digestive system is freeing you from the terrible and limited enclosure of the human body. Either way, man, we are being shifted in a dramatic and beautiful way. And as that's happening, to think that you can somehow not realize what you are, which is you are one of the digestive organs in the universe.

You are, no matter what you do, man, you are completely wiping beings out of the universe at every single fucking second. If your immune system's working, those sweeties who burrowed into your fucking skin and gotten into your mucus membranes, you're wiping them out. Your blood cells are heartlessly fucking killing them. And then maybe you had an ant on your counter. And then maybe you had an ant on your counter. When you drove your car, I'd say there's a 60% to 90% chance you probably ran over some tiny little fucking bug that was walking across the street. You can't live in this universe without killing things. So you're like a little bit of stomach acid helping to dissolve a steak. You're a little bit of the digestive process of the universe killing and outputting energy from that destruction. That's just what everything is, really.

Not to justify a meat diet. If you could become a vegetarian, do it. Be a vegetarian if you're drawn to it. It is a more peaceful thing well for sure factory farming is a giant issue for anybody with a conscience then when you get into other forms of acquiring meat then things get more complicated because uh if you're talking about hunting in particular that's not easy for everybody to do and it's almost impossible for everybody to do um so then you would have to have ethical farming,

and then you'd have to decide what is ethical. What is ethical? Free-range chickens. Yeah, free-range cows, free-range chickens. And you'd have to decide that there's a certain cycle of life involved here, and then you're willing to take part in it for your own health. You're going to decide, I'd like this. My body functions better on this so i'm

going to i'm going to allow this to happen or or help it participate help participate in it but um i think when you see a bear eat a salmon that bear is not thinking for a fucking second about the feelings of that salmon it's just holding it down and tearing it apart with no hesitation whatsoever when we reap lettuce from the ground are we doing a more complicated version of that are we pretending that this thing is this non-feeling non-thinking thing because it doesn't move and it can't send emails but is it possible that all these things that we call life, all these things have a consciousness? Everything does. Squirrels, people, monkeys, fucking alfalfa. Oh, yeah.

All that shit. This is what I was thinking as I've been doing VR, having so many philosophical thoughts based on this incredible technology. technology. So this is what I started thinking is the human, all living things are like organic virtual reality goggles, right? So like a squirrel is a, is like a kind of virtual reality goggle that the universe is gazing through in the form of a squirrel's reality, right? So this consciousness, this intelligence, it's like an omnipresent force and every living thing is like a faucet that its life is this intelligence coming through and expressing itself based on the energetic system of the particular conduit that it's coming through. So a living squirrel is a portal that is opened up to the intelligence of the universe temporarily. And when that intelligence flows through the squirrel,

the way electricity runs through a motherboard, then it's animated, right? And so when the squirrel dies, it's not as though the intelligence is gone. It's just that that particular conduit shuts while there's a billion other conduits in any biome filled with that intelligence pouring through it and behaving according to the way, whatever the thing is that it's coming through. In the same way that if you have different AI programs with different codes,

it's still processing the same energy. It's just the energy is being transformed based on whatever the specific system is, you know? So when we eat meat, we're in a weird way eating the virtual reality goggles that Infinity was using to experience reality. that something was, that infinity was using to experience reality. And that reality that infinity was experiencing through the VR goggles that you're eating inside your bun was not a great fucking experience, you know? So composed in that goggle, in that life form that you're eating, this is what the Hare Krish Krishna say, is all the fear, all the terror, all the momentum of that being's life somehow gets encoded into the atomic structure of the meat that you're consuming. And so you take a little bit of

that suffering into you and that degrades your life in some slight way. That totally makes sense. Totally makes sense. That there's something that gets through it. I mean, why would we assume that your diet isn't, I mean, if you're eating biological particles, why would we assume that they have no influence on us? Like we would think that we just, no, I broke it down to protein and water and that's it. There's no chicken suffering in there at all. No.

We didn't have any chicken suffering. No way. Not a trace of it, but why not? A dullness. Just a dull chicken suffering that you get in your mouth. Yeah. Just a... I don't know what it is.

It's a delicious chicken, but... There's an undertone of existential horror in my chicken. A waxy film on the inside of your mouth yeah just chicken sadness yeah well man i can remember like when when i was a kid we didn't fucking you know like you kind of knew the animals were like that people just were a lot like i'm reading fucking listening to audiobook rather of moby of Moby Dick, the Frank Mueller narration. You ever read that book? Who's Frank Mueller?

Frank Mueller is the guy, is the VO actor who narrated the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. And he is the best. And so there's no way I'm fucking reading Moby Dick. But listening to someone who understands what he's reading helps you understand it and uh because he puts the inflection in the right place the inflections are in the right place and he's clearly some kind of super genius who just gets Moby Dick and he understands every single fucking passage that Melville endlessly writes about the very the deepest details of whales man melville fucking loved whales and the book it is like a sort of portal into before they knew that whales were mammals right

so you know they thought they were fucking fish leviathan right isn't that funny that we make that distinction let's talk about that like if they're fish fuck them well they're mammals they're us right right right we can't do that we got we got weird teams we got teams we're okay so i'll answer to that if to use the virtual reality goggle example let's imagine there's like 15 different virtual reality goggles on the table that represent a kind of spectrum of technological advancement. So here we've got a, I don't know, remember in the old days you used to have those stupid viewfinders you could flip through and look at?

Okay. So on one side we have a viewfinder, and on the other side we've got some shit that doesn't even exist yet. Some neural interface, you put it on a harmonic magnetic field interacts with your brain and you not only go into a location, but you experience the memories, emotions, thoughts, and dreams of the avatar within the game. You literally become the figure that's on the other side of the spectrum, right? So here we have this sort of like spectrum of potential experience. I think it would be safe to say that the experience of a broccoli, right, just based on the tech in there versus the experience of like, I don't know, a fucking MIT student genius who's like healthy. genius who's like healthy I'd say that you

could say that there's a varying levels of experience as to what is being experienced who's to say now that I say it I think I'm totally wrong I'm sorry for the rant I guess at the very end of it some part of me is like

just shut up man that's wrong that's not it so forgive me you guys I tried with that one it flopped in my own brain they don't all land if they did it wouldn't be fun it wouldn't be fun but I will admit when they don't land

I think you're right man why do we make the distinction it's like god damn it it's a weird distinction. I mean, it's an intelligence distinction. We just decide the fish are stupid as fuck, but you know what? They're not. Here's the, here's where they're not. Here's one thing we eat all the time that is probably as smart as a monkey.

And that's an octopus. Oh, I know. Yeah. We eat octopus all the time. They are crazy smart. Have you ever seen the new video that they put out of an octopus going through a key a hole rather yes the size of a quarter yeah man yeah I I did see that it's crazy it's it's amazing like what they can do to their bodies is insane yeah McKenna loved them right oh yeah he was like in love with

octopi is that the plural octopi that's a good question he was in love with it think it is. He thought that they were like the ability to have multiple appendages and the crazy camouflage abilities they have would combine to really open up new levels of communication that humans don't have because it seems like he was uh he was a little frustrated by the limitation of the human vocabulary and the way we emote things to articulate the universe so it'd be nice to have a bunch of different limbs that had no bones that you can turn any which way while shifting colors that beats fucking emoticons by a long shot man i mean they can change color yeah they shoot ink into the air and he he was one that i first heard speculate that the ink when they shoot ink into the air that it might be like erasure fluid like look how small that hole is and look at this big ass

octopus get through this tiny hole i mean you would look at that hole and you would like there's no way but these things not only can they get out of a hole like that, but they can walk on land for long periods of time, climb back up into their fish tanks, lift the lid, get inside. I mean, they're aliens, man. That's, I mean, that might as well be on another planet. We're just used to it because it's on earth. That thing has a giant bulbous head, long movable arms. It knows how to unscrew jars. And he's got like a kind of like cool, relaxed look on his face.

Like he's definitely relaxed. They're emotionless. They're very strange. It's a very strange being. It's very different than a fish. But it lives with fish, so fuck it. I mean, they're probably as smart as whales.

Everything is alive. That's the ultimate. That's the final place you got to get to is that you are a part of a super organism that is stretching through time in the form of every generation of thing that ever lived right and it's currently like a it's like this being that has an infinite number of appendages that represent all living forms of life on earth and just like the same way that like you investigate a thing all these append appendages have wrapped around the planet and they're probing, probing, probing, probing, probing the planet. So it's like every living thing is the very end of an interdimensional, super intelligent appendage. You know, this is kind of like the

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where he said that mice are just the ends of the tentacles of an interdimensional creature studying scientists, that laboratory mice. He was a fucking genius. But in the same way, when you look at every single living being on Earth, it's actually protruding from generation after generation of being that stretches back to the beginning of organic life on planet earth so it's like earth suddenly gets life how who the fuck knows my theory aliens but who knows maybe it just randomly happened who knows but so suddenly springing from the earth are these very rudimentary organisms that over the course of millennia

gradually stretched out and changed to become various types of devices to study the crevices, crannies, and air of this planet until eventually it became monkeys and the monkeys became people. And now we're like a very advanced scope that is peering into the atomic and subatomic level of the fucking thing. But when you look at a squirrel's life, an eagle's life, a fucking salmon being eaten by a bear's life, it's interesting to consider that what you're seeing is an infinite number of scopes through which something that appears to be either investigating this dimension or just enjoying being in it is coming through you know that seems to be what's happening that is an idea that gets echoed in um uh and like some eastern philosophies and uh some uh

it's it's an interesting take on it for sure well what's definitely happening is there's some consumption going on consume everything's consuming something yeah that's what this one of the things about this radio lab podcast it was so fascinating where was talking about these fungi devouring microscopic insects and um also like literally tapping into rocks for minerals it's's really, really intense stuff. And having this intense relationship with these plants where they're feeding off the root systems. Yeah. And the root systems are feeding them and they're feeding the root systems.

They're exchanging sugar and minerals. Yeah. It's really crazy, dude. I mean, it's really, really bizarre. They were talking about miles and miles of these microscopic fungi yeah in the soil in the tiniest piece of soil you have miles and miles of microscopic yeah yeah yeah the mycelium right yeah so like so when you okay so it's everything's eating itself but if you imagine that what you're looking at is actually only one half of the thing, because we can't see

into the nothingness that happens after death, then it could be that you're actually looking at one, just one part of a process, right? You're seeing just one, you're seeing a limited part of an infinite process that's happening where death is just one piece of it but the thing that dies doesn't um isn't annihilated it no good it's not it doesn't go so the idea is it's like okay what you are is uh a thing growing out of time right you're growing from that which is not into that which is or that which is not known to that which is known. Because where were you before you died? Who knows?

Unknown. Before you were born. Before you were born. Oh, right. Same thing, according to some religions. But so when you look at that as part of a continuum, right? Instead of just like you are born and then you die and then nothingness. If you look at it as part of an energetic continuum of which we can only witness this particular part of the continuum,

we don't have the technology yet to peer into the other part of the continuum. So if you look at it as an actual cycle, then the brutality of the universe becomes a little less significant because you realize like, oh no, it's just like things diving out of the nothingness into the somethingness, returning to the nothingness in the same way a dolphin jumps up and goes back down into the sea. That's what we're doing. Only when we dive into time, we take on a form. When we dive out of time, we become the formless and then we come back out of time again. That's reincarnation. Reincarnation is, sorry if I've said it on this podcast before, but reincarnation is like a fucking dolphin trick.

Only in this case, the trick that you're doing is called your incarnation. And the particular way that you live, whether it's as is for most people a kind of failure because how the fuck you're going to figure out what to do when you dive into time for such a temporary fleeting lifetime like just suddenly to be able to do backflips and shit it's maybe you're not going to be able to do that right away but you dive out of time or out of nothingness come into somethingness incarnate incarnate incarnate here we are as a being, have a life, and then you go back into the nothingness again. And so the people that we are most amazed by in history are just people who did really awesome tricks with their temporary human incarnation as they came jumping out of the nothingness. That's what we're in right now, man. Just a temporary,

transitory state of harmonized atoms that have become aware of themselves that are about to go through an incredible energetic shift where you become nothing and then maybe become something again for infinity. infinity we have a real hard time having the perspective of your body turning into bacteria or bacteria consuming your body when you die of that not being a bad thing that it's a part of life and that you will be conscious inside that bacteria that maybe your consciousness leaves this and travels with you with your cells and your dna as you being consumed Yeah, and then it becomes a part of some gigantic matrix And that's what maybe that's what you're tapping into when you're doing things like DMT. Yeah when you hit that well of consciousness Whatever the fuck that is that you hit when you you run into that sea of reality. Yeah when I say reality like this but just intense Godlike no bullshit.

Like there's, it knows everything. There's no bullshit. It's like, and you, you have to abandon all your worldly thoughts. Yeah. Abandon all your ideas of life and death and ego. Yeah. And just give in and be one with the whole thing. And maybe that's what we do all the time when we're sleeping, man. I mean, it's entirely possible that what we don't remember is existing in that realm

and that that realm is something that we're just shut off from because for us to get done what we have to get done with this monkey body, you can't be fucking contemplating that all the time because you're not going to get shit done. You're going to be too philosophical. You're going to be too confused. You're going to be so blown away by the images of that other world that you can't handle it. So you just, the reality of life just completely takes over.

Dude, you didn't, I mean, I don't think you meant to do it, but you articulated when you said that, the essence of so many different religious systems, which is that here is this omnipresent, infinite, ever-replenishing, creative matrix of intelligence that is so much bigger than I am that it's incomprehensible. And like you said, you have to let go of all your worldly ideas, your thoughts, your ego. You have to let your ego die. Because what the fuck are you going to do in the face of that thing? Are you going to hold on to the stuff you're proud of? Are you going to hold on to the victories that you've achieved in your minute flickering human incarnation when you're in the presence of the source of victory in the

universe what are you going to do there what's the correct reaction to have if a thing like that were real and so depending on what religious system you subscribe to those all of those are answers to that question you know and you hear the answer coming up, uh, in a similar way, usually, which is you serve it. You try to become a servant to it because, because what else are you going to fucking do? Are you going to, you're going to, are you going to teach it? Are you going to show it how to do something? Are you going, what are you going to show it out to me? You're like, hey, guys, relax. I'm here. I know you've been waiting for a long time, Infinity. But finally, I'm amongst you with my wisdom of my 47 years on planet Earth as a tire salesman.

Who finally does DMT for the first time. Everybody sit down. I got it. You come back. Yeah. Let's back. Yeah. Let's start with roses. I like the color of them, but maybe we make it a brighter red. What do you think?

How about make it so deer don't want to eat them? My mom, she has a fucking garden. She's always mad the deer was eating them roses. Yeah, this is the this is the this is why I really love this Bhakti Yoga, which is a, because it like takes that idea.

There is a super intelligent, creative force in the universe. And the word for it is Bhagavan. And it basically means maximum everything. So ultimate beauty, ultimate intelligence, ultimate attractiveness, ultimate love. It's the ultimate of ultimates, right? So this thing has inadvertently, it depends on what version of it, probably not inadvertently, but this thing has a, it's so potent that the way it's interacting with time is that it's breaking into an infinite number of pieces that have all become semi or super aware. its creation and every single minute element, like some fractal, every single little piece of it is a possessor of this infinite consciousness. And so that infinite consciousness is the source of love. And it's basically lets you fall in love with it if you want to. And it loves you too,

which is what's really trippy to imagine. This is a thought experiment, man. Imagine that thing you just described, that infinite fucking thing, the no bullshit thing that demands that you drop your history like a fucking old nasty bag of shit. Imagine if that thing also was aware of you completely and also loved you imagine that shit man that's the craziest idea ever that's a crazy fucking idea that's better than you know like when you like kind of like a girl and you start thinking like maybe you don't do this because you're a fucking muscular super billionaire who hosts the UFC. But somebody like me, if a girl starts liking you, you start thinking like, holy shit.

Does this girl, I think this girl likes me. I think this beautiful, incredibly beautiful girl likes me. Could this be? That's the beginning of all love songs, right? That's the beginning of like all human happiness is holy shit. The girl I like likes me back. I think she likes me. Holy shit. I think she's falling in love with me. This incredibly beautiful girl. So bhakti yoga is that exact concept transferred to the universe. So now you're like, wait a minute, this entire, the source of all things in the universe has a personality and it seems to love me. Not in a fucking tame way, not in like, uh, the way that you might hear, like Jesus loves you. And then you imagine it being like, that means you could go over to his house and sit down and have like a boring cup of tea and leave, you know, like that, that, that kind of love.

No, this is a fucking wild, savage, unpredictable love the way your best friend loves you or the way that like a comedian loves you, which is like, you don't know what the fuck's going to happen. It's not the way a comedian loves you. Yeah. You know, like comedians are gonna do weird shit if you're friends with comedians you're gonna get a lot of like weird fucking pictures sent to you you know on a regular basis you're gonna get people calling you and playing tricks on you from time to time for no other reason than just to do it right but they love you they fucking you. That's what's behind it. So in the same way, this is the concept. It's not a tame kind of love.

It'll kill you. Like, it'll eat you. But it still loves you. And it'll eat you because it knows that you're just a fucking pair of virtual reality goggles. You're just a temporary flickering thing that's going to keep going on forever. temporary flickering thing that's going to keep going on forever. This ego and the survival mechanism is what makes us think that it's more important to root for our team. Like we have teams, right? So first of all, we're team primate.

Don't eat any primates. Yep. Once you get past team primate, we're team mammal. So if you have a choice between killing a gigantic fish or killing a gigantic mammal that you thought was a fish yeah you got to kill the fish so you can kill fucking blue marlins all day long bring those bitches in chop up into steaks but don't make oil for lamps out of moby dick that's fucked up fucking oil out of those sweeties man you're the bad guy and i agree you know for whatever reason especially

with uh with whales i have a thing whales, I have a thing for whales. I have a thing for whales and orcas and dolphins. I'm fascinated by them, like legitimately perplexed. I think that it's entirely possible with both dolphins and orcas that they're just as smart as us. They just don't express it the same way. They have a different kind of existence. They don't want to dominate other than controlling food. They just want to have food.

And once they have food, I don't think, I just think when you listen to scientists talk about their dialects and the fact that the pod stays together for life and that they form these tight bonds and they communicate over great distances with sound frequencies and and these complex languages that they've recognized Are different in different areas, so they've recognized their similar sounds, but there's a dialect to it They still don't know what the fuck they're saying yeah And part of the reason why we don't know what they're saying is just like how we're talking about emojis being like a form of hieroglyphs I Don't think we can understand the context of communication

when you live in the fucking ocean and you kill fish with your face all day. Right. I think what we would think of is, where is your house? Do you guys have cable? How do you guys find out about, you know, when the movies are playing?

Yeah. You know, this idea of communication to us, like what they're trying to do is locate each other, let each other know their moods, let each other know their hor each other let each other know their moods let each other know their heart let each other know but we think that that that's rudimentary in comparison to our complex system of sounds and very repeatable sounds that we can all express back and forth to each other but what just like emojis like what they're doing they're they're expressing themselves in a way that they all understand. Yeah.

Yeah, man. And don't forget, they have an awareness of part of the larger part of the Earth. Yeah. We don't know what the fuck is down there. Right. That's one of the... That's one of the... Moby Dick.

Right after they... Spoiler. They kill a fucking white old Moby Dick. Dude. Right after... And the description. Oh. The description of the way they kill this fucking whale moby dick but right after the in the description oh the description the way they kill this fucking thing the way they did it back then which is you know you get in a ship you row up to the thing there's a harpooner he's got a fucking harpoon oh my god he's got to sing it at the thing and then you've got to tire it out reel it in this

is a fucking whale right this is a leviathan right you're just a little fucking This is a fucking whale, right? This is a Leviathan, right? You're just a little fucking human in a fucking boat, and you're like nailing this thing with a harpoon. Finally, when it gets tired enough, you have to find its heart, jam the harpoon into its heart, and then basically like fuck the hole with a harpoon.

Just jab it in and out of that fucking hole until finally this description makes you want to cry it's so awful finally like the whale out of its blowhole it like shrieks like a like car brakes or something like it's screaming in pain and then it just blows chunks of guts and lung and heart out of its own blowhole and then it fucking dies then you got to get it back to the ship you tie it to the side of the ship sharks start feasting on the fucking thing so you have like sharks chewing your goddamn whale it's somebody's job to get lowered down with a harpoon and kill the fucking sharks

and melville describes melville describes killing sharks he's's like, you watch the harpooner stab the shark. The shark will start eating its own entrails because it'll just start eating itself and then just like tying itself up into a knot as it eats itself in a frenzy. That's how Melville describes it. Oh, my God. Those poor fucking whales, man. But after they kill a whale, Ahab, Captain Ahab, poor sad Captain Ahab, he comes out and he does a funeral for the whale's head. And he says, what have you seen down there? What have you seen?

The graves of millions of sailors, the wrecked ships that no one will ever know are there. That's what a whale sees so they just have this awareness that we don't like we'll never know what the fuck's down there we hardly can yeah we don't know what like i mean the earth is three quarters water right yeah so the what's below yeah what's below the water is it two-thirds or three i don? I don't know. I haven't measured lately. Whatever it is. It's a lot, right? It's a giant chunk of the earth. It's all water. It's white and blue. The underneath

stuff we so rarely see, I mean, do we see it 1% of what we see above ground? The, um, God, I hate to always talk about it, but a brief history of nearly everything. He describes it as like, and this could be wrong, I don't know. But what we know about the ocean, imagine if someone took like six tractors and drop them in the middle of like middle America, and they drove around for a few nights with their lights on at night. some description like that. I can't remember, but it's like, it's that limited

because getting a fucking thing underneath all that pressure that's not going to break down, getting out there in the first place, you know, to get the thing down that can survive that pressure, forget it. Plus, that takes a special kind of crazy person that's willing to get in a submarine. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Fucking Christ. I think I'd rather go to space. I think I'd rather go to space. I think I'd rather go to space than be stuck at the bottom of the fucking ocean and then see a drop of water on the side of the wall going, what is that? What is that? What's going on? No shit, man. What is that noise?

Did you hear that noise? Yeah. Clink. Yeah. Clink. And you know it's just like a fucking beer can on one of those. You ever see a stripper crush a beer can with their tit? No.

They hold a beer can up and they have one of them whopper tits, like those double F jammies. And they hold it by the base because those tits are always like, you know, they're sort of like a ball on the end of an old rope. Right. You know, because you have the big, round, ridiculous sized implants. And they hold the beer can and they just molly whop that beer can and crush it that's how it would feel if i heard a clink clink clink that i knew that eventually the thousands of pounds of pressure was just gonna smush that that tank i just that's a fucked up way to die man here they go look look look look behind you. Look behind you. Boom. Oh, wow. I didn't know this. Look at this.

Boom. Boom. This bitch is crushing them with her tits. That has to hurt. Look at Steve Harvey. Bam. There you go. Wow.

Now you know. It's a thing. Now I know. So that's what I think of when I think about submarines. You think when she did that. Oh, man. You think she did that? The first time she did that,

she was angry? No, she was on meth the first time, for sure. Is that what she said? No, that's what I would guess. I think a lot of girls have done that. That's a trick. That's like the

when you nut, but she keeps sucking. That's that and mixed boobs, crushing beer cans. That's like the one you nut, but she keeps sucking. That's that. Okay. Mix boobs, crushing beer cans. So you think the first girl to crush a beer can with her boob was on meth? No, she was probably a real girl, first of all. Like, she had real boobs, I mean. Yeah. Not just a real girl.

Yeah. You're all real girls, by the way. And everybody's a real girl. Yeah. If you want to be a real girl, you're a real girl. Right. Right. But, like, how many guys have broken beer cans with their dick?

How about zero? Tits are way more powerful than dick in that regard. What guy's ever, like, held a beer can down and smashed it with his hog? That guy's a greater man than anybody in this room. Plus, especially if he does it right side up and he gets the lip of the beer can, the thin part, slams against his dick with the kind of force that's required to bend a beer can. You're going to crush your dick. You're going to hurt your dick. I got to disagree with you, man.

I think he becomes the hero if he's tied up and he's got to use his dick in the beer can as a form of escape device. At that point, it becomes more heroic than just... But you're right. No matter what, if you smash a beer can with your cock, then you join some invisible... More elite than the Illuminati. I bet it's smaller than the seven families that control everything. Do you think there's a 14-inch club where it's all dudes who have 14-inch hogs just hanging out? There's got to be more than one dude on the planet that has more than a foot long dick, right?

If there's girls that have tits like that, and obviously those are fake. But people are weird, right? People are built strange. There's guys that are seven feet tall. There's people that are five foot one. There's a whole bunch of people in between and someone out there is a 14 inch dick. Yeah, for sure. Like how many of them?

Well, I mean, based on my own experience, three. And they're all assholes. Well, there was that one guy who kept getting caught at the TSA because his hog is gigantic. Right. So he, I keep saying hog because it's fun. Yeah. Why is he calling it a hog? What are you, 12?

Yes. He's got like a fucking sock, like a rolled up sock. Yeah. That's what his hog is. Well, you know the story. We probably talked about it on the podcast. You know the story of John Malkovich, right? Being John Malkovich?

John Malkovich, the actor, right? Right. So supposedly they had to get him a body double in a nude scene in a movie because his cock is so gigantic that they thought nobody would believe that was a human's dick. So they had to get a body double with a smaller cock to have him stand in because his penis is so large that it would disrupt the flow of the narrative. Did the guy who's telling you this suck your dick? He said it while he was sucking my dick. I know he was in bed, but he was so big. I can't believe how big his dick is.

His dick is so big. Look it up. I think it is. Look it up. That is the funniest thing to look up. As if that's confirmed somewhere. I think it's confirmed. I have a feeling that's what's called a rumor.

I have a feeling John Malkovich has a great publicist. Yeah, that's smart. He's like, let's leak this story. Yeah, that's a good move. Well, I could imagine he would have a giant hog. James Woods supposedly has a giant hog. That's the word. Really?

He's talked about it. He's talked about it pretty openly. Trump? Trump has a giant one? Didn't the word. Really? He's talked about it. He's talked about it pretty openly. Trump? Trump has a giant one? Didn't he say it? Well, he says it's fine. He says it's fine in comparison to his hands. But it's the fact that the guy's running for president, and he was joking around about

his dick not being tiny. That is hilarious. I don't know if he's going to make the best leader of the free world, but I welcome someone who's willing to make a dick joke while they're running for president. I welcome that. Well, it's gonna... It's gonna be... It's gonna be...

It's gonna be really interesting. You know, I was thinking we were going to talk about the fucking elections anyway, man. And, uh... You know what's causing all the trouble right now? What? This is all technological disruption. Like, we're looking at, this is all a result of technology.

I was thinking, like, what's the, um, what's the, okay, if you could, like, locate the problem, right? It's that, I don't mean to jump from a goddamn fantastic conversation about enormous cocks to some kind of political shit. Don't ever worry about where our conversations go, lover. So thank you. So what you're looking at here, man, is a quote from Ray Kurzweil, which is, things aren't getting worse, our information's getting better. And so with Hillary Clinton, who is a career politician, right? And we have all known since we were young, most people, I think, when they think about politicians, they don't think, those are some honest people, those politicians. They usually are telling the truth.

I think most of us think politicians, they lie. They warp things. They fabricate things. They use a form of deception to gain control of various power structures. That's what the animal does. So that's not new information when you find out that Hillary Clinton and the DNC and I don't know if they completely connected those two but when you find out that they they they were not they didn't do what they're supposed to do they helped

Hillary Clinton become the Democratic nominee and they actively tried to fuck up Bernie Sanders right that's creepy but it's not a new thing I know but it is creepy it's creepy and it's even not a new thing. I know, but it is creepy. It's creepy. And it's even more creepy that the woman who was in charge resigns and then immediately gets hired. Got a great job. Hillary Clinton's like, fuck it. I'm going to hire you. And it won't do anything.

She hires her. She's so fucking unafraid of what's going to happen that she hires the woman who did such shitty things she had to resign, booed offstage, hires her into her fucking party because she's like, fuck you. I'm getting elected. You're not stopping it. Right. But this is, again, it's gangster, too, though.

It's gangster. It's also a move on her part where, I mean, she's looking at what Trump is calling her crooked Hillary. It's a gangster move to hire a woman like that right in front of you. Yeah, Wasserman Schultz, top post. Mission accomplished at DNC. But this is not a new thing, man. What exactly? Let's go over this.

Because what exactly did they do that's so awful about Bernie Sanders? What did they do? So they apparently came up with a way to disseminate information to the press, highlighting certain aspects of Bernie Sanders that would be unappealing to the voter. And they did this, and this has all been confirmed. Can you Google that? Find out what they actually said? Let's find out what they actually said.

Summarize the WikiLeaks. And see if we think they're being a bunch of whiny bitches but for sure they wanted look she's got way deeper arms in politics she's way more connected than he is for sure there's and this is what we're seeing too there's like a big part of being a political candidate is how many favors do you have how many people you are you connected to how deep does your influence go right and obviously her influence didn't just sit within her own little group of people that were working for her. It had gotten to the DNC itself. So she's deeply embedded in this whole system, whether it's because of friendships or ideologies or people just wanted her.

She's the chosen one. Whatever reason, whatever deals were made or whoever, who knows? Who knows what it is? But when you find out that an organization that's supposed to be the head, it's supposed to be, if everything was on the up and up, it's supposed to be objective and looking for what the people want as the best party. But no,

they're actually actively steering it, which is massively corrupt and kind of scary. These people are deciding to steer an entire party, which is 50% of a political process. Because there's no... Look, we've got Libertarian Party. For the first time, people are taking Gary Johnson seriously.

He's going to do that town hall debate on Wednesday, or town hall, one of those town hall things, on Wednesday on CNN. But for the most part, it's Democrats and Republicans in most people's eyes. So what they're essentially doing is rigging half of that process. Yep. That's scary that we just we don't think anything's wrong with that but we put martha stewart in jail for not telling exactly the truth about where she bought and sold stocks or whatever the fuck she lied about we do think something's wrong about it but we can't do anything about it we do think something's wrong but right now okay so if like that institution

is corrupt and if the republican institution is in some ways corrupt i think it might be safe to say and i don't think too many people would be outraged at the idea that there is a institutionalized corruption in the entire american political system and it's very similar to the problem that happens in bike racing if one motherfucker rigs their bike or gets on fucking doping stuff that can't be detected if you want to have a fair advantage you've got to rig your bike and start doping too or the person who rigs their bike will always win. So if politics is a competition, which it clearly is, and if members of the competition are using nefarious means to achieve their goals, which they clearly are,

which they clearly are, then that would imply that if you wanted to survive in that system, you would also have to use nefarious means. Dum, dum, dum. What? But, and this is not new. This is old, old, old shit. What's new

is technology. What's new is now people like Julian Assange are shining a light on the corruption. And his whole idea is if I reveal this information it will force reform via the outrage of the people who are supposed to be represented by a person who's breaking the law. That's his idea. We need reform. And right now, we're at the point where it's very similar to when you're in a family. And this is one of the worst things can fucking happen, man. In a family, if there's somebody who's molesting somebody, it happens all the time where a father or a brother will start fucking disintegration of the fucking family, an apocalypse for the family. In the same way, as more of these revelations become clear, which we always knew, but you could always float into a happy place and be like, nah, I'm just being a conspiracy dude.

I'm sure the stuff they're doing up on capitol hill is all fair and square you know you can just believe it kind of you just pretend to believe it now it's like well no you're wrong look hey here's the fucking proof and here's going to be more proof and there's going to be more proof and there's going to be more proof until finally the american people are going to have to either just be like i'm just going to believe that four is three and three is four because I have a nice, comfortable life and I don't want to fucking deal with this shit, man. I'm just going to trust the banks because the banks, they like money.

Well, I have my job and as long as I keep my job, I'll keep my benefits. Yeah. And by the way, P.S., man, when you consider that, it's like there's something pragmatic about that as sad as it is there's as as depressing it is as it is but the real awful problem is that this country i think is like a metaphysical machine that was built by some very intelligent people who understood the energy flow that comes through a society and the elections were supposed to be an outlet valve for the pressure that builds

up when people feel that they're being repressed right and if you start fucking with that output valve by putting up fake politicians that don't truly represent the people and hope that the people will believe that they have elected these people, if you put two shitty choices in front of us and we're supposed to look at that and be like, okay, everything's fine, then you're missing the point, which is that there is an energetic system

that needs to get released. At some point, the energy's got to go out. If it doesn't go out, you get revolution. That's the way the energy's got to go out if it doesn't go out you get revolution that's the way the energy goes out the wrong way the idea is let's fucking the american revolution brutal bloody awful fucked these geniuses many of them freemasons got together and they were like you know what is there a way that we can program history so that a society doesn't destroy itself intermittently with a fucking revolution because if we could do that we'll build one of the most powerful never-ending societies on earth because we figured out a way to outflow the pressure that builds up

so when you start fucking with the goddamn political system and pretend that everything's going to be okay you are missing i think the the point which is that people who are very smart maybe a lot smarter than than the politicians we have today recognize something built a thing and said let's just trust the people let's trust the people release the steam and voila, everything runs according to plan. Now the gears are a little fucking gummed up, man. A little. Yeah. A little?

How gummed up? How gummed up? I think the gears are really crazy gummed up. I think this is the first time we're realizing how much money people make by running for president. How much money it costs to run for president, but how much money top political figures make in donations and in speeches. Have you paid attention to how much they make in speeches? Like Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. Even bribes. Well, this is what it is. These corporations can fund various universities. They can donate money

to all sorts of different programs where they would have someone speak and they can donate money to all sorts of different programs where they would have someone speak and they can decide who gets to speak and who doesn't get to speak and they also have like the Clinton Foundation people donate money into that they don't donate just fuck loads of money now it's all these things but hold on sorry all these things what they are essentially or you're paying someone to speak for an hour, and you're going to give them $750,000, and you want me to pretend that that's normal. That's crazy.

And what does this person do? They're a public servant. Okay. Okay, so they're a public servant, and while they're publicly serving, they're also making $750,000 to talk. Yeah. That seems a little crazy, doesn't it? Like, why do they make so much money to do that?

And who was paying them? And what do you have to benefit by having them come and read some nonsense, bullshit, boring speech? A friend of mine went to see Rudy Giuliani after post 9-1-1 when he was on his victory tour. He was on like a lap of the country doing these speeches because everybody loved him because he saved the world during you know, September 11th He was the guy who stood strong and everybody like wow Rudy Giuliani's a good man

So he rode that and he started doing these speeches and he'd come to colleges and a friend of mine went to see him and said It was dog shit That he just it was a boring ass like reading with no passion It was a cha-ching Go in there and say some nonsense about freedom and the American way and terrorism or whatever the fuck and first responders. And just, there wasn't anything real.

It was just, it was a performance. It was like he was doing a one-man show all across the country for exorbitant sums of money. God, that'd be fucking great if he was actually doing a one-man show. $153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees documented.

This is just, Jamie just pulled this up. That, that is stunning. That's a stunning amount of money. It's over 15 years. It's from 2001 to about now, it's a... Still, it's more than...

Well, it's perfect then, because that's $10 million a year. This is more recent of what she gets now. She had $20... $225,000. That's her standard fee. Oh, my God. $22 million over the last two years. She prefers a private jet and prefers a Gulfstream 450 or larger.

The memo outlines that Clinton requires travel by private jet. You know what would be fucking cool, though? Is this like if you were a mad billionaire, could you just get Hillary Clinton to come to your house and just speak to you for an hour in your living room? This is fascinating. Hold up. Scroll back down there. She made $21 million doing what? She made $21.6 million in speeches in just under two years.

That's amazing. God. That's amazing. God. That's incredible. That's so much money. She's like a kind of crazy animal that you can lure with money. If you have enough money, you can lure a Hillary Clinton into your house.

You just have to lay it out. She'll show up like if I put carrots in my backyard, I'll probably get a rabbit or two. If you have enough money, you can get politicians to come and start feeding at your mansion. When does it become, when does it become a bribe? Okay.

So should she like say, well, you can never be, it's weird, right? You couldn't be someone who is in public office and go and also have like a, a book reading tour where you read from your novel about crime or something like that you'd have to be like a no fiction person who's when you're

talking you're talking about what you do for work that's part of what you're talking about like nobody's going to ask hillary clinton to come and speak about the history of jazz in the united states right she's not going to give speeches on that. She's gonna give speeches on politics, right? I don't know. Right? Right? So, okay. So why is that okay? Why can you like have two jobs? That means you're having a second job. Like you're doing your job. Like you're you're saying the things that you say during your job But somebody else is paying you too. Why is it okay?

Yeah, why is it okay to do that? Like that seems like do that? That seems like very problematic, right? Why is it okay for your husband to go talk? Who was he talking to? The head of the, whoever the prosecutor, who was he? The district? Bill Clinton went and had this secret meeting with what's his, who was it? About what? Well, right as.

Oh, right, right, right. Lindsay, what the hell's her name? I lost it. Damn it. The point is, you just are openly... Like hiring the woman who somehow warped the process of getting a Democratic nominee there. Yeah. What's her name loretta

loretta lynch yeah doesn't that sound like a country singer is that a yeah that's what i thought i was wrong at first i was like yeah loretta lynn right that's what it sounds like loretta lynch yeah now she met bill clinton meets with the attorney general on an arizona tarmac now listen by the way flew in on his private plane and said that it was impromptu. Who the fuck flies impromptu on a private jet? Yeah. Hey, you know what? Hey, who are we flying over right now? He's just one of us.

Wait, are we flying over Loretta Lynch? Oh, come on, stop down. I'm going to get a piece of apple pie. She's a good woman. We're going to sit on the porch and drink lemonade and talk about our grandchildren. Sit on the porch on the tarmac. Nothing I love more than a nice picnic on the tarmac of an airport. Well, this is the other thing that she lied about, being dead broke after leaving the White House.

Right. Not only dead broke, but in debt, she said. Apparently, that's just so not true. Yeah, and now it's like, to make matters worse it's like you have to it there's this weird idea that's like listen you might not like hillary fucking clinton can you go back to that real quick but they're like you better shut the fuck up about her because do you want trump to be president that is what's going on right yeah so look what it says here this is what's this is where it's confusing it says when hillary filed a financial disclosure document after

entering the senate in 2001 she reported assets of less than 1.8 million and liabilities of more than 2 million well where were they do what were they doing with all the money what are they spending money on there's wait like who the fuck okay who has like two2 million in assets and $2 million in debt? Do you have $2 million in debt? No. Most people don't have $2 million in debt. That's a crazy amount of money. Did you guys have a budget?

You're dead broke. No, you guys are crazy. What are you, partying? You guys doing blow and buying Ferraris? Just staying on Amazon late at night. Who the fuck gets $2 million in the hole? Like, that is... Like, if you wanted to have someone that you wanted to balance the budget,

wouldn't you pick the person that doesn't get $2 million in the hole? I mean... Oh, man. Trump's been bankrupt a gang at times, too, right? Hasn't he been bankrupt a few times? Yep, that's what they say. He says he likes going bankrupt. It's somehow part of some plan.

But, now, the question, what about the shit about Saudi Arabia? What is this? You don't remember this? I remember when, it's like Saturday Night Live was making jokes about them stealing like, uh, like silverware and flying China and stuff from when they were like leaving, like on their last

days there. Oh, that's ridiculous. What year was this? This was like from 2000. Like when they were leaving, on their last days there. Oh, that's ridiculous. What year was this? This was from 2000. When they were literally leaving and the bushes were coming in. Oh my God. They were taking all sorts of extra artwork and all kinds of things. And I don't know if it's true, but I don't think the meme has gone away. I don't know, man. Huh.

That's hilarious, though. I don't know. She's so gangster. Part of me, I kind of appreciate it. In a way. She's like our Putin. Great. Just what we need. Part of me appreciates how gangster she is.

There's a video going around of her talking from 2000 about not having email. Imagine if she had emails like what the investigators would find. Sure, of course. It's on mike pence's twitter page didn't she take money from saudi arabia or is that bullshit allegedly i'm not really her accountant so i can't just i don't know i just you know man i think it's uh it's like a crazy time right now because we're actually getting to witness that the cool thing about all this shit is as nefarious as these

assholes want to be, they can't keep up with technology. They're being exposed technologically and that's going to continue to happen and that's pretty fucking badass man. No matter how powerful or gangster Hillary Clinton is, she

has apparently zero security on her computer systems or very little security and maybe if she had great is, she has apparently zero security on her computer systems or very little security. And maybe if she had great security, she still couldn't stop the infiltration of hackers. And this is going to keep happening and happening and happening until either we just accept that our politicians are innately corrupt, or we come up with some fucking way to starve them out to make it so that they are you but how i mean well don't you think bernie's like the first step in that like bernie's no perfect person right i'm not the most gigantic bernie sanders supporter because i've talked to economists that tell me that what he was proposing is not fiscally possible yeah

so i don't know if they're right or he's right. And it's all real tricky to me. Like the idea of democratic socialism, like, boy, it sounds good. It sounds good if people got more. I'm warming up to the idea of universal basic income. I kind of like that idea. Because I think if you think about how much resources we spend on things like cops and firemen and damage done and police and Rather prisons and how much time maybe we could avoid some of that like maybe a big chunk of it I think universal basic income has like some real it's got some it's something that we should explore as a culture

But we I think also Requiring people to do certain things like in the community requiring some sort of community service like how nice would it be if uh i mean it's nice to be able to pay someone to take out the garbage but maybe we'd appreciate each other more if we all took out the garbage once a month no way man i disagree with that that's what they're doing in venezuela by the way what are they doing they're forcing people to uh be civil to be farmers for like 60 days out of the year or something like that but to make them feel good about farmers no because like venezuela is fucking imploding and they need To be farmers for like 60 days out of the year or something like that. To make them feel good about farmers?

No, because like Venezuela is fucking imploding and they need like that. But I'll tell you, man, any time the government or federal workers get more power in whatever way it may be, that's a bad thing for all of us right and i think that the the the more we can push their fucking tendrils out of our consciousness the better right and so anytime anyone is suggesting some new i don't care how fucking utopian it sounds anytime anyone here's the thing do you think the government is corrupt if the answer is yes why would you want to give them more power why would you want to give them more tax money yeah yes why there's no now when you're talking about taxing people you're not talking about giving that money directly to the poor people right you're not yeah man talking about it going to the government and the government distributes it with no receipt right man that's

what they do right now. Yeah, we don't want that. That's fucked up. If these people up there, if they were like, somehow, we actually—just imagine. Here's a crazy fantasy. I don't know how you'd implement it, but let's imagine we had a system where every four years, some of the coolest, smartest people in the country became our leaders. Wow.

That would be fucking insane. The coolest, smartest people don't country became our leaders. Wow. That would be fucking insane. Coolest, smartest people don't want that job just by nature. It's a strange job. The idea of wanting to be the person that's in control of everything. And I think until it goes horribly wrong, we're going to stay on the outside. And we're going to go, somebody, come on, somebody, come on, somebody. I'll tell you, man, I think some of some of the coolest smartest people because they're so cool if i'm just saying this is a mystery how to get to them but let's just say you could it's a mystery how you get to them let's say and let's

imagine there was who are they what who are they give me give me you don't even have to name a person but give me the attributes you would want let's i would take somebody like elon musk i would take somebody like you i would take somebody why not i would take somebody like um because i don't want the job what i don't want the job that elon doesn't either all right fine but we all sit together in a room and we're like hey man who let's imagine like five more badasses right we all sit together in a room and we say listen i, I know none of you guys want this fucking job. You're successful because you're super smart and you're super cool and you're having great lives. But would you consider for a couple of years helping us work this shit out

so the planet gets a little better? And I guarantee now, again, this is a fantasy, but I guarantee that there will be very few people in that room. You'd be like, no, I'm going to live my life. You'd be like, yeah, I'll do it for two years. No problem. I'll do it for four years. Sure. I would love to help. And so for four years, you go into this job truly thinking, man, I'm going to see if I can reduce the number of people who are fucking thinking, man, I'm going to see if I can reduce the number of people who are fucking uneducated and hungry and the bombs going off. And I'm going to try to do it by using all of my smartest friends. And I'm not doing it because I'm going to get money from this group or that group. I'm doing it because it feels like the right thing to do. Do you know what that's called, man?

That's called the American fucking dream that the founding fathers came up with. That was the idea. We're going to have a group of brilliant, wonderful people who want this particular swath of human beings to be a peaceful, what is it? A peaceful place where you can experience life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, right? Freedom, autonomy, community, all of these beautiful things. That was the idea. Beautiful idea. It'll almost make you cry when you think about how beautiful a fucking idea that is.

And then to imagine that that idea over the course of time was gradually deteriorated, gradually infiltrated, gradually infiltrated, gradually broken down. And of course it was, because when there is a powerful empire, the empire is inevitably attacked by entities that want to take it over. Of course, it's the nature of things.

Something powerful, some asshole wants that power. And so an analysis of the system over the course of time or in an intentional infiltration by people who have all the money or just some systemic degradation, a slow sort of collapse of a million different systems inside the thing has happened. That has happened. And yet the concept remains one of the most beautiful ideas, one of the most incredible fucking ideas. They cannot erode the concept. Well, maybe it can still be saved with technology. Maybe the transparency that's being afforded by technology is going to somehow or another step in and put a halt to what we see as just a standard operational behavior of corruption and influence. Corruption and influence is just so standard that it's right in front of us. When CNN is printing Hillary Clinton's annual earnings for the past two years is $21 million and no one's batting an eye.

She's sitting there with her bite suit. She has that bite suit on. Looks like a fucking German shepherd's going to jump out of the bushes and grab her suit. She walks around in these boxy bite suits. Yeah. And she's making ungodly sums of money from just talking. And she's doing it right in front of our face. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the beautiful things about Bernie Sanders.

One of the most beautiful things. He says, I didn't take a dime from those people. I don't speak to the banks. Yeah. One of the most beautiful things he says I didn't take a dime from those people. I don't speak to the banks Yeah, because what did you what did you say when you got paid? Half a million plus or whatever she got paid to speak how much did she get paid to speak to the banks? There was something Fucking bananas about that one. There was one of the ones that she got paid. I made it might have been the 250 million release Yeah, there's a bunch you won't release. She won't release the ones where she talks to banks. They'll get released. They speak in Latin.

They get together. They fucking burn babies. They start talking in tongues and shit. They're all eyes wide shut it out. Hoods on and fucking candlelight. Pentagrams everywhere. Yeah, man. I wouldn't be fucking surprised if there's a few things they do that we might consider to be a little abnormal when they get together.

Bohemian Grove. Look, Bohemian Grove, whatever the fuck they're doing there, whatever they do it for, for whatever reason, they really do, or at least used to, dress up in robes and burn an effigy in front of a fucking giant owl statue. Okay? There's a video of it. It's real for them they say it's fun and it's just like a one of those frat pranks or traditions that people do although dress up in weird costumes and they go through some weird skull and bone ceremony that their grandpappy did and everybody does it because you want to be what is that what is it called pledged you want to be pledged

initiated yeah i mean come on man this is there's a real video of these fucking multimillionaire guys meeting in Bohemian Grove and burning these, look at that, Hillary Clinton was paid $225,000 a speak at Goldman Sachs Builders and Innovators Conference. Builders and Innovators. At the Ritz Carlton Dove Mountain Resort in Marana, Arizona. That is a golfer's paradise. All those rich dudes out there golfing, driving those convertible Mercedeses with the metal tops. Golfer's paradise. They close and open in like 13 seconds.

Yeah, these guys are, look, they're all fucking monsters. You know, man, I'll tell you, this is something I was thinking. And by the way, I'm sorry I did a fucking seemingly patriotic spiel. I didn't know that was inside of me. It's not patriotic at all. Well, it is patriotic, but you're right. These people were massively repressed by Europe. They took this incredible chance of getting in boats and coming across an ocean.

In a time where we're navigating things with something that looks like a protractor. Yeah. I mean, they had sextants. You know, they're staring at the fucking constellations trying to figure out which way to go. They're manipulating the air to get there. It's fucking amazing. And a lot of them are doing that

because they want to worship God in a certain way that they're not able to see where they're coming from. But even whatever their rationale for leaving, they still have the balls to get on a fucking boat and make it across the ocean. So that puts them in a better place, in my eyes, than those pussies that stayed back and believed in logic but lived under the rule of the queen.

Yeah. Those dummies are the king. Was it a king back then? Probably a king. They probably had kings. But my point is, I don't have a point, but if I had a point, it would be, that's the reason why America is so fucking badass.

That at least the reverberations of the initial instincts to start it still exist. Yeah, the idea can't go away. It's like a geometric form. But here's the problem, man. Okay, this is what I was thinking. So, let's imagine that you and I are somehow, I don't know why, we end up on a cruise ship filled with idiots, like literal fucking idiots. That can happen. Somehow they just like, they went through like maybe like some, it's like the opposite of a reality show where you find a great person.

And like over the course of like months, they find like the world's worst people. Right. And so are the world's like maybe like the world's most unwise people are the world's dumbest people so you end up in with like a population of like 60 idiots on the boat and i'm not saying we're not idiots i certainly don't consider myself to be a mintsum member but but let's imagine we're a little like more on the ball than these guys are right the boat fucking wrecks we're on an island now we have to build a civilization how does democracy become a good thing if the majority of people are kind of not that fucking on point right what happens if what if it's a let's imagine

it's a boat filled with psychotics let's imagine it's a boat filled with psychotics. Let's imagine it's a boat filled with people who want to sell advertising and need to be entertaining. And you know they have to at least present this information in a kind of entertaining, possibly warped way. There are cases, including in the recent WikiLeaksdisclosure agreement? No, the Democratic group. The DNC? The DNC was giving talking points to the press, right? Right. So if the media is painting a picture of the universe that is not accurate or is warped a little bit based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things, based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things,

then the people who have tuned into that reality and believe it to be true, you could safely say they are mildly psychotic because they have bought into a reality tunnel that might not actually exist. In which case, is a democracy at that point a good thing if the people living in the democracy have for a lifetime been getting bad information shot into their fucking brains marijuana will give you brain damage war is good sometimes you just need to fucking kill people we have got to get into fucking iraq because saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction that he is going to unleash on the fucking West. Wrong information.

But if you believe it, you believe wrong information. And if you believe wrong information, then that means that you are no longer walking along the path that is there, but a path created by other people, right? So that's when democracy gets really interesting, because now what we have is very powerful, hypnotic cobbles of billionaires sending bad information to the population in an attempt to shift their perceptual mechanisms in such a way that they will elect leaders that don't represent them, but that have been created by these machines to take over the world. And in that case, the democracy becomes a little bit more problematic.

So that's another problem. It's like, okay, great. Now let's imagine we suddenly have a functioning democracy. What if a lot of people in that functioning democracy have subscribed to ideas that aren't real and that they're not willing to let go of. Are you writing down? Never put Duncan on the show again. No,

no. I had to remember something. I keep forgetting. I have to remember it. You just, I don't want to stop your rant. Oh, cool.

Just, you know, when you're high as fuck, like we are right now. That's so great. And we start talking about stuff when you're talking, I have an idea, but it just,

I have to follow your idea. My idea slips away. I had to write it down real quick it's just the idea is what if what if most many of us like the shit we believe ain't real yeah and what if that shit that we think is real has been intentionally placed into our heads by corporations with the intention of making us behave in a certain way at that point a democracy becomes a problematic like what are what are you going to do if, you know, there's so many people right now who believe, like, Trump is putting out a reality tunnel, Hillary Clinton's putting out a reality tunnel. These are two different reality tunnels where

many of the pieces of it might not actually reflect what's happening in the world. So it's like, which of these made up stories are you going to tune into? Or are you going to reject both of them and go wandering off into the woods alone and try to, in your own way, understand what's happening minus the influence of the corporate media? I was thinking when we were talking about people coming over in boats, that we were talking earlier about the human biome and that your gut biome in particular, it affects your mood, your intelligence level,

your personality, it affects your immune system. And that's one thing that I've been really getting into over the last few years is really concentrating on probiotics. Yeah. First, kombucha, that was the big one. I like that GT's kombucha. I like that original flavor.

It almost feels like someone blew their nose in it. Those slimy slugs. Those kombucha slugs that you got to throw down. But it's really good for your immune system, man. It made a big difference with all my travel on the road. But then I started really getting into kefir. Started really getting into, I drink goat's milk kefir several times a week. And I drink like a whole glass of it.

And man, the more I've been concentrating on that, kimchi, that's another one that I've really gotten into lately, fermented cabbage, it's really good for you, very probiotic as well. The more I'm doing this, I feel happier, if that makes any sense. It actually makes me feel better. I don't just feel healthier in terms of my immune system's really It actually makes me feel better. I don't just feel healthier in terms of my immune system's really good, but I feel better.

So what I was thinking is these poor fucks that got on that boat and came across the seas, when you think about the horrible atrocities committed by the pilgrims or the Columbus's soldiers when they came over here, by one account of a missionary,

they were dashing babies' heads on rocks. They were cutting people's arms off if they didn't bring back their weight in gold. There was some really dark, dark, dark shit going on. I wonder if it was a combination of obviously barbaric human beings in barbaric times when things were just way fucking different. And there was very little accountability for psychopathic behavior.

And in fact, you hired these fucking psychopaths, these abused people, murderers. Those are your soldiers. Those are the people you're hiring. You know, those are the people that you put on that fucking boat. Those are the only people that are willing. So they get across this ocean. It takes months, right? How long did it take to get across the sea?

Find that out. I'm going to say three months. Do you think it took three months? I don't know. I'm going to say three months. Do you think it took three months? I don't know. I'm going to say it took like 90 days. I would think longer than that, man. Probably right. Maybe four months? What do you think? Four months? I don't know. I feel like three months would do it if you knew what you were doing.

You got to get the right winds. I mean, it's like... You definitely might not make it. It says approximately two months. Wow. Two months, quick. It started in early August and got there October 12th. Wow.

God, that's so ballsy. Took approximately two months. Christopher Columbus started his voyage in Palos, Spain, in early August of 1492 with three ships, the Nina and the Pinta Santa Maria. We all know that stuff. Wow, that's amazing. Can you imagine just being on that boat,

being a fucking fly on the wall on that boat, watching those murderers sail across the ocean and knowing one day you're going to get a day off school for those cunts? No shit. I mean, think of that. They showed up and they just raped and murdered everybody. Yeah.

And we get a day off school for them. It's Columbus Day. Praying along the way. Long weekend. We're going to have a suit coming again there you go yeah the fucking information that we have does not accurately reflect reality right we have been conditioned intentionally by a power structure to believe in a reality tunnel that if you don't believe in that reality tunnel

you're considered to be somebody who's a little crazy you're not your fucking mind yeah you know columbus was a good man what are you fucking talking about you remember that commercial where the guy's eating salad and his friend's going what do you mean if i buy drugs you support terrorism right it's a fact right that he's eating salad he's a no-nonsense kind of steak bar remember that because it's a fact i say it because it's a fact. That's it. The guy's like standing there like, it's that relationship that we all know

of that one fucking super good arguing right-wing guy that's a little bit older than the other guy and he kind of clowns them when they have lunch together. Come on, get your shit together, Mike. Okay? We're going to make the loan go through, but straighten out your credit. That's the same guy.

Because you're supporting terrorism. It's a fact. He's eating his salad. I say it because it's a fact. Yeah. There's something psychological, just like a mind fuck going on, because we know that relationship. We know that paradigm between the really fucking straight up Republican, no nonsense, got his

shit together, has a cigar and a single malt scotch, and that's about it. Yeah, man. And that other guy who's like, hey, I heard that Tower 7 is an inside job. What? got his shit together has a cigar and a single malt scotch and that's about it and we know and that other guy who's like hey i heard that tower seven is a is an inside job what yeah don't say that eating his lettuce don't fucking it's not true it's not true because it's a fact yeah i know it's a bad example but that thing that people like to do because it's a fact well fuck man i mean yeah that it's a fact fucking guy is our version of a person who has been it happens in north korea there's that like i don't know if you saw it but like in one of these documentaries about north korea which i love to watch because it's the ultimate example of a hypnotized culture when you ultimate ultimate

and it's right now right now which is insane when you consider what the past could have been like we don't have a window we don't have a window into what Genghis Khan's empire was like we don't have a window to Mao's China we don't have a window to that but we have a window right now a fucking physical window of real video this is the guy, this is the no nonsense guy

play the commercial, I love this commercial do it from the beginning F-A-C-T, he spells Yeah. F-A-C-T spells it. What? This drug money funds terror. It's a ploy. Ploy. A manipulation. Nominating Hillary.

Ploy. Drug money funds terror. Hold on. You got, Jamie's new to the internet. He's got several tabs going at the same time. Oh, I thought someone had like, You're gonna hear him moaning soon, because he's got his porn. It's a ploy. What?

This drug money funds terror. It's a ploy yeah this drug money funds terror it's a ploy a manipulation look he's eating drug money plays terror i mean why should i believe that because it's a fact a fact a fact so you're saying that i should believe it because it's true that's that's your argument it's true. That's your argument. It is true. This is the dumbest fucking conversation because I want to jump in there and I say, okay, well tell me how that's true. Give me some specifics on how drug money funds terror.

Can I tell you how it's true? Yeah, you're the guy. I'm the other guy. Here's how it's true. Okay. So many of the people who are currently in the U.S. government have taken lots of money from the pharmaceutical companies that supply some of the most dangerous drugs on Earth to people all over the planet. And those people in the government are also in charge of dropping bombs on people in other parts of the world.

Let me stop you right there. They also made Viagra and the pill. That's great. Okay. That's great. Don't you use Viagra? Don't you like the pill? Still drugs.

Don't you like to shoot loads in your girl without any consequences? Yes. I know we all do. But that's funding terrorism. Every time you shoot a load into your girl, that's funding terrorism. Are you sure? Is it a fact? Is it an F-A-C-T fact?

It's an F-A-C-T fact, baby! Dude, terrorism. Fuck. I'll tell you fucking terrorism. Terrorism is every time. I mean, when you start hearing the civilian casualties in Syria and all over the fucking place. I gotta show you something. I gotta show you something.

Go back a few days on my Twitter feed. I retweeted this Syrian girl who is praying. Oh, I saw it. Praying for her safety. You've seen it? Play it again if you want to horrify the fucking audience, but I'd rather not watch it again. Okay. Well, let's just describe what it is.

You can go watch it. Forget it, Jamie. He's going to freak out. He's ready to cry. I'm ready to cry. It's horrible. There's a guy, and he's talking to to his daughter and she's reciting a prayer and apparently she's reciting some prayer of safety and while they're doing it you hear

and they both get shot like rocketed back and forth like something hit near their building you see like the reverberations the impact move them they they jut out of the frame and the video stops it's terrifying i mean look it might not even be real i'm assuming it's real i'm assuming it's real yeah it might not even be real but it because i don't know i can't verify but that happens exactly the way you're looking at it whether or not that is an actual representation or whether or not somebody wants you to imagine at it. Whether or not that is an actual representation or whether or not somebody wants you to imagine what it would be like, I don't know.

I don't know the veracity. I haven't studied the video. I don't know. Have you? Do you know whether or not anybody's calling bullshit on that video? Well, look, I mean, it's an argument. They do bomb people. Exactly.

But I'm not sure if you're seeing that or if it's one of those. You know, there's a company that was, I think it's in Australia, that they create fake viral videos to get hits and they're a special effects company and they've they're responsible for like a gang of amazing videos that have been online one of them was this uh couple that shot a lion and then you you see the lion uh another lion come there they're standing over a lion taking pictures. Yeah, this one special effects group made that and a bunch of other fake ones too that a lot of people sent me and they said they were real and I retweeted them like, oh wow, that's crazy, man. But meanwhile, these people are just special effects artists.

Cool. The lion one didn't get me. I was like, this is too perfectly framed. It's too good. Got me. Didn't get me at all. Plus, I didn't like the way the lion the way it was looking the way it's sitting there on the ground it looked fake the whole thing looked like it

looked like a fake lion but then um there's one that came out today that i'm reasonably sure is real and that's what i was telling you about before the show where there's a bear in this guy's house and uh he looks downstairs and my friend shane carwin actually tweeted a picture i gotta retweet it when I find it. He tweeted me a picture today of a fucking bear that broke into his friend's cabin and tore it apart. Tore the refrigerator open. Ripped out everything on the floor. Ripped out cabinets.

Just tore his fucking place apart. And apparently his friend called Shane. He's like, hey, dude, did you use my cabin or something? Shane Carwin's this giant heavyweight UFC fighter. He's a former UFC interim heavyweight champion. He's a gorilla. And so his friend, like, that's the first person he called. Imagine if someone tears through your house, rips your fucking refrigerator door off the wall.

Lays waste. Like someone just fucking hulked out in your kitchen. So he calls Shane up first. Hey, dude. Did you rip my refrigerator door off? And then there was another one that's true as well. It's real. Where a bear got trapped in someone's car. Somehow

or another, the bear opened the car door, which they've been known to do. If you leave it open, look at that. That's a bear trapped in the back of that fucking Subaru. Poor guy. I wonder how long he's in there for. It's a good question. I think they were walking by and they found him. So what a bear does is they know, they figured out over time, that they can open car doors. If they open up a car door, they watch someone open up a car door, like another bear, and then there's food in there, that's it.

From then on, they're opening car doors. Then on, they're opening car doors. So when I was in Boulder, one of the people that lived in the town over from where I lived got their car broken into, and the bear ate the inside of their car. The bear, I mean, literally ate their seats, ate their dashboard. God dang. They're crazy. That sucks. So this bear is trapped in this guy's car.

This is 100% legit. So he opens up the car door with his paws, climbs inside, and you know like if a car is at kind of an angle, the door will close itself. Sure. Door closes itself and he's like, just stuck in this car just mangling it. Look at it. Look at the chair torn apart. Probably

shitting all over the dashboard. Look at him. I wonder if their insurance covered it. I wonder if anybody's got a bow and arrow okay time to make some bear sausage son uh you gotta let him out i mean that's fucked up to shoot an animal inside a car that's not fair chase i'm joking around ladies and gentlemen i would would definitely let him out, but I'd be fucking pissed because this car is just Shot it's mangled you can open up your trunk with a key and with some people does that what they did They open up the back and let him out What's happening here? How can the hatches open there? He is he just ran off. He's running off. That's a pretty decent sized bear Yeah, they kind of damaged it. They seem pretty peaceful man bears. Yeah, they seem... What kind of damage did it do? They seem pretty peaceful, man. Bears

always seem like they run, they tend to run more than... For sure. Right until they kill you. Yeah. You say, oh, it's peaceful. Oh, he's peaceful. Do you know more people get killed by black bears than by grizzlies? No, I did not. It's weird. Grizzlies a lot of times they kill you by accident. Like, uh, you stumble

upon the mom, the cubs. Right. Black bears apparently, uh apparently will actively seek people sometimes when they're really desperate. Oh my God, man. That is fucked. There's a bear in my neighborhood, supposedly. Nah, it's not. The Pasadena bears are eating garbage and stuff.

They're having a good old time and swimming pools and shit. You don't have to worry about them. You got to worry about predatory bears. There's a guy that I know, Steve Rinello, hosts a show, Meat Eater. One of his friends took a guy out hunting for his very first time they were camping and a 500-pound predatory black bear climbed in the tent, attacked him in the middle of the night. And his friend shot the bear. The bullet went through the bear and shot his friend in the wrist.

So he got shot. He got bit by a bear. His first hunting trip. Broke his wrist. Bullet shattered his wrist. Went through the bear and shattered his wrist. That's terrible. Man, whenever you have those kinds of bad lucks land on top of each other, like the balloon accident,

where not only do you fall to your death, but you're also on fire while you fall to your death. 17 people. Terrible. Fuck hot air balloons, dude. Fuck that. Fuck being in the sky with fire and cloth. Never. What about a hard breeze? What happens if this bitch gets hit by lightning? Huh?

Never. You fucking monkeys. I watched a video of that guy jumping out of the plane yesterday. Yes, I did. That was insane. Insane. Intense. Insane. Insane. And by the way, he didn't even hit it in the middle. He hit the edge. I mean, I'm sure it's a huge fucking net, but not huge enough.

Like, how are you judging that correctly when you're coming down at who knows how fast he's coming down? It seems like he lays there for a second. Like he's stunned or something. Well, he had to flip over before impact. Jesus Christ. He was practicing flipping over. Wow. Otherwise his face is going to get shredded, right? He's got to

land on his back. So this guy's going down and then right before he hits the bottom he flips So he's got to like guide himself with his own fucking arms and hope that he doesn't splatter That's his GoPro man. I mean how is he possibly gonna judge this? I mean he has some sort of a like a wingspan thing going on where his legs are spread now watch this She falls over. He turns over right before the end and lands in the net.

What in the actual fuck? And everybody's applauding. He lived! He almost died! Look, it's Bobby Collins and Whippy Goldberg. They're there. They're both celebrating. He lived! He almost died!

He's crying. I did it, mom. This girl's got big tits. Come here, take a look at these tits. Before. Hey, this guy. Look at his dick. Why do they have these people? Look at this.

We are here, live, on the scene. He didn't die. It's amazing. This is the first time ever a person did this and lived we're so happy we're so happy we could broadcast this on television it's so important look at this yes we did it dude we did it you crazy fuckers all of you oh my god because you know if that shit didn't work out oh my god if the net broke and for the rest of your life you have to remember the the what that looks like just the explosion of

guts and the the the sound that's gonna make when that thing hits the fucking tarmac his wife's like screaming or just a silent scream. Just everyone, just PTSD. You're going to have to go to a therapist to get that out of your head. You're going to wake up with the memory of that guy's body just exploding like a fucking watermelon in front of you. What if the pressure of the situation, the gravity of the situation, the adrenaline rush and the G-force all combined made him stroke out like that Indian dude? Wow. And he just never even bothered steering and went right into the crowd.

Oh, man. Like a human missile. Oh. Just took out kids and fucking grandma, crushed a Subaru. Scraps of bloody Gatorade-colored jumpsuit landing on your kid. Imagine if you died because this guy hit the ground

and his skull went flying through the air and hit you in the face and crushed your head. You got your head crushed from his forehead. Or even worse, you don't die. Oh, Jesus. You just get like... Amputated. No, you just have like neurological problems

for the rest of your life. Like someone who's in a car accident. You go into a temporary coma. You come out. You shit yourself for the rest of your life. Like you like, you know, like someone who's in a car accident. You go into a temporary coma, you come out, you shit yourself for the rest of your life and people ask why. It's like a skydiver's skull

smashed into me. Terrible, man. Fuck, dude. High impact. Avoid that. What? High impact death? High impact.

Avoid that. Don't jump out of those planes into nets. Stop. Are they going to get fucking CTE from net falling? Imagine if that becomes a new thing. What kind of CTE? Chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

Oh, wow. It's brain damage that football players get. I would imagine the jolt of going from space into a fucking net is considerable. Yeah, sure. I would imagine that that has an impact on your fucking not easy on your fucking body to fall out of a plane and anything it's definitely not what you by the way man speaking of like fucked up like sports accidents and i know you get sick of talking about the usc but dude that fucking clip of what's his

name cyborg what's the guy's name? The guy who got his head crushed in? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that? Cyborg Santos. There's a bunch of cyborgs. There's two male cyborgs and one female cyborg. Makes sense.

It's a cool word. But I was thinking, man, that thing he did, the knee kick, flying knee kick, smashed the guy's head in. You don't ever say knee kick. Don't ever say that again. What do you say? It's a knee. Flying knee. Flying knee. You don't say knee kick flying knee kick smash the guy's head you don't ever say knee kick don't ever what do you say it's a knee flying knee you don't see a knee kick guys listen to my voice do i sound like i know a lot about the usc you took a little muay thai back in the day well my trainer taught me some but i anyway okay the point is is it possible you know okay basketball people are

getting better at basketball right skateboarding people are getting better at skateboarding right is it possible that in the ufc people are going to become so proficient at beating each other up that it there will be a more of this type of awful accident happening where people just learn how to be powerful enough to crush a person's skull where you just get better at it man like if you look at like and it's not a fair comparison because the skateboard you it requires a tool but if you look at like early skateboarding videos to now and see how much it's evolved and you know the ufc has the market pressure for these fighters to be the best ever because they become like world-renowned fighters they make a lot of money so the pressure is there to evolve

if you look at ufc 100 years from now isn't it possible that fighters are going to get so good that it is no longer safe to do the ufc because they're just going to be strong enough to break someone's skull open with their fucking fists or with their knees? Well, let me answer that. First of all, it was a very unusual scenario where a guy was diving forward and the other guy was jumping forward with a knee. Right. And they combined in a perfect collision. Right. It's very unusual to happen that way. It's happened before though it does happen it can happen but that was the most extreme version I've ever seen in my life and

all my years of watching martial arts watching martial arts training in martial arts seeing fights I don't know how many fights I've seen live but it's got to be more than a thousand it's probably sure it's probably like 1500 something like that live. I've never seen it once. I only watched it once on TV. So guys have definitely gotten their nose broken, though. And they've definitely gotten their orbits broken.

The orbit broken orbital bone is super common. That's real common. That happens all the time. That happens like once a year. I mean, in that sense, super common. Maybe even more than that. We don't hear about it. Maybe they're small fractures. But Misha Tate, the former women's bantamweight champion, she got

her orbital bone broken in a fight. Bob Sapp had his orbital bone broken in by crow cop. I can name a bunch of them where guys have gotten their orbital broken. It's really common. So that's your face. You're getting your face broke. This is just a different version of it. And it was such an extreme impact. Michael Venom Page, the guy who did it, is a sport karate champion and a really dynamic guy. He's so fucking fast. And his technique is so good. His timing is so good. He's a lifelong martial artist who was competing as a point karate guy.

And then he went from being a point karate guy to fighting in MMA. Okay. And he can hit guys in this crazy way. Dives in and hits them and they can't hit him back. And when they're running at him, he counters them brilliantly. And that's what he did in this fight. Cyborg, who's a talented guy who's been around a long time. He's really experienced.

He's fought in Strikeforce. He fought in the UFC. Did he fight in the UFC? I feel like he did. I'm almost positive he did. Google that, though, please. Because I know he fought in Strikeforce. He fought in the UFC. Did he fight in the UFC? I feel like he did. I'm almost positive he did. Google that, though, please, because I know he fought in Strikeforce. He had an epic fight with Nick Diaz in Strikeforce

and Jordan Meehan in Strikeforce. Epic, epic fights. So he's a real veteran, and to have this happen to him is even more impressive. It just shows you how good this Paige kid is. But it's so unusual the way it happened. I've never seen it like that before, where a guy just charged in and the other guy didn't just hit him with the knee, but jumped at him. So you would have to have Michael Venom

Page's athleticism, technique, experience, lifelong martial artist, perfect timing. And then also fight intelligence. He had the intelligence to choose that weapon He has a full arsenal of techniques. He knew that that would be the most effective blow to land in that moment Yeah, so all his lifelong experience of competing as a martial artist led to that moment So it was a perfect storm for cyborgs head there were the wrong The wrong thing at the wrong time and it can always happen just like Dale Earnhardt Junior or senior died in a car accident yeah sure it can happen like the even the great ones can get really badly hurt but but you could

see it like I mean I'm sure you've seen it over those 1500 fights you've seen haven't you seen an evolution in the fighting styles yes but on both sides the other thing is I've seen an evolution in people's defense too. There's guys like Mighty Mouse who barely get hit. And he's beating guys up. But occasionally you'll get a guy who is like an elite guy and another guy is an elite guy. They almost cancel each other out. People get mad.

Right. People get mad because there's not enough action because they're both too smart. And they're kind of like canceling each other. That does happen. That happens in fights. So I just think that everybody is definitely getting better better but their defense is getting better as well and it's just it's a sport where it's so chaotic and anyone can win by knockout if they connect and everyone is so fast and everyone has so much technique that the best guys can knock out the best guys we saw this it this weekend. Matt Brown, who is like

one of the top UFC welterweights in the world, he's a fucking animal. Savage, one of my favorite fighters ever, fought this kid named Jake Ellenberger. Jake Ellenberger is a very talented guy who's had ups and downs, but he's lost a bunch of fights recently to top level guys. And this was his last chance in the UFC. They gave him a last chance. They said, you know, they were going to cut him. He said, just give me one more fight. And they said, okay, we're going to give you Matt Brown, who's a demon. And he's like, okay.

So he went in and knocked out Matt Brown in the first round. But it was crazy. It was a crazy, chaos-filled fight. He blasted him with a right hand and kicked him in the body with a liver kick and put him away. It was a madness fight. And even Matt Brown was even coming back after getting hit with the first big punch. But my point is, on any given night, one of these guys connects and they can knock out the other guy. They can both do it.

Matt Brown easily could have knocked out Ellen Berger. Easily could have connected. It's possible for all these guys to knock each other out. So it's a nutty sport, man. No, I get it. They're definitely getting better at it, but they're all getting better. So it's harder to hit them clean. Right.

And they're better at delivering shots. Well, if one person gets better, then everyone's going to adapt to come up with some defense for whatever the thing is that person's gotten better at, I guess. But they learn the techniques. They learn the techniques and they understand when them when they're coming But if you had to predict like if someone's like if you had to predict five years from now What kind of if you've seen a kind of evolution in the fighting styles? And you've you've seen in something that maybe you can prognosticate in five years

What do you what do you think it's going to look like? How will it be different? How will the UFC change over time if mixed martial arts is an evolving sport? Well, we already know pretty much, I'd say, there's always room for new stuff. It's always possible that new stuff comes out. But I would comfortably say we know at least 95% of all the striking options. We're pretty, pretty well versed in what a person can do with their bones. And I'm being real conservative when I say 95%, it's probably closer to 99%. But every now and then someone will do something crazy. Like this guy, I don't

know the name of the organization, but just knocked some guy out with an ax kick the other day. And somebody sent it to me and I was like, Ooho see if you could find that axe kick KO in MMA it's real recent this is the first time I've seen that in a televised MMA bout but I saw it a gang of times in Taekwondo tournaments and I witnessed it firsthand with a very good friend of mine who got knocked out horribly by an axe kick so I know that axe kicks are real dangerous if a guy's good at them but you have to have elite flexibility and speed and you have to know how to land it. And so that was a new one that up until this year, I don't think anybody knocked anybody out with one before. There was a guy named Adlon Amagov who was fighting in Strikeforce, and he fought in the UFC for a little bit, but he got real

religious and he decided to quit fighting. But I think he might have fucked somebody up with an axe kick once. He had nasty, nasty kicks. But the point is that might have been the last of the Mohicans as far as new techniques that you're going to see people do. Pretty much everything, round kicks, side kicks, front kicks, we've already seen all those. We already know they exist. So that's pretty much covered.

What people are getting better at is their ability to deliver those techniques in a fluid form that's imperceptible for the person that's trying to anticipate the movements. So when someone is attacking you, what it's like is, say if you were a really dumb guy and you were in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about something that you really shouldn't have been debating about. Christopher Hitchens, about something that you really shouldn't have been debating him about. You really don't know the subject very well, and you're talking shit, and he just starts with his, he's clinking his whiskey glass around and touching it with his fingers and just demolishes you on real time with Bill Maher. You know what I mean? That's what Christopher Hitchens could do to any of us. It's so fun to watch him do that too, man. And terrifying, because you think, oh my God, what if that was me?

What if I got up there to talk about the Iraq war? I don't know what the fuck I was talking about. He just buried me. Did you ever see when he buried Mos Def? No. Oh, he buried him.

Mos Def was asking questions about Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. He didn't know the difference between Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. I don't either. And Mos Def

was talking about it and Christopher Hitchens just decided he was annoying and just distressed him, just undressed him publicly. Dressed him down? Is that the word? How's the expression? I would almost rather get dragged off by a tiger than have Hitchens destroy me on fucking Bill Maher. He was so ruthless about it.

I would become a monk. If that happened, I'd be like, well, I'm just going away. I'm going to find a little monastery and just shave my head and say goodbye to the universe. There's some guys that can destroy you, but you almost feel like they're letting you off the hook. Like Sam Harris. Sam Harris destroys people in a very calm way, and he doesn't insult them. Right. But he does it very logically, logically he lets you know that he

thinks you're retarded right he wouldn't use those words but i do but but hitchens shows utter disdain for you while he's scoring on you harris seems like there's the hope when yeah when yeah hitchens is pissed harris it feels more like at least there's the hope that he's going to bring you to his side yes there's something compassionate in it. But yeah, Hitchens is like, well, I might as well. You can be part of the genocide that I want to have happen to idiots of the world. And it's a really intense thing to watch, man. He must have just constantly read.

Like that guy must have just woken up in the morning and just started reading for hours and was definitely definitely not just smart but also well read like we all we all know people that are very smart but they don't read that much right he was all the above smart well read and did a lot of debating and had a lot of conversations with really smart people which is a big part of it as well. And, you know, and we're very lucky that we get to listen to those because that's kind of like having those conversations. Not in the sense that you're saying the words, but being privy to a conversation with a guy like Hitchens. Like he's sitting there talking with Sam Harris or some religious leader or something like that.

And the logical points that he makes, they're very enriching in a way that a lot of times like school isn't even a lot of times your professor is a fucking incompetent cunt that got that job because he sucked the right dicks and now he's got tenure yeah there's a lot of those shitty professors man yeah yeah there's a lot of those there's a hitchens video did you see the one where he talks about what a monster saddam hussein was have you seen that one yeah he's genius what a monster Saddam Hussein was? Have you seen that one? Yeah, I have seen that one. Fuck. He was genius. Yeah.

And he was right. You know, I mean, he was our monster, though. Saddam Hussein? Yeah, he was our monster. Sure. Yeah. We helped that guy. But his sons were even scarier.

Have you ever read some of the things that his sons did? I can't remember. His sons were like Ramsay Bolton from the Game of Thrones, but for real. Yeah. They fed women to dogs. They would take a woman, they would take her from her bridal party, rape her, kill her husband, or throw her husband in jail, rape her, and then feed her to their dogs. And they did this more than once.

God damn, man. Yeah. Well, this is what we were talking about. We were talking about like North Korea. By the way, I don't know that this happened. I wasn't there. This is what I heard. This is what you can read it online. That's what everybody has said.

It's pretty much agreed that he did it. But again, like I was criticizing you earlier, I totally could be completely wrong. But this guy, if they did do it, I'm pretty sure they did or something like it. They didn't do awesome stuff. That was not that that long ago man and they probably did some awesome stuff you know what i mean like i bet it wasn't all feeding girls to dogs i bet they were complete total sociopaths and psychopaths from the womb their dad was a murderous dictator he raised them and i bet he raised them to be fucking monsters you know he wrote a romance book who did Saddam Hussein did you ever jerk off to it I haven't read it yet I think they're

releasing it soon look at it like there he wrote like a real romantic piece of fiction I mean by the way I'm not saying that Hussein or Bolt or whatever the fuck is weird Uday and Cusay Uday and Kuse. Uday and Kuse. But it is so fucking terrible when you realize that even the worst people still have something good about them. That there isn't a complete monster out there. Well, there's definitely complete monsters. There have been for sure. I think that inside. You don't think Ed Gein? The guy who used to make lampshades out of women's skin, serial killer?

I think the monstrous part of being a human being is that no matter how fucking awful you are, and no matter how terrible... Now, this could be completely naive, and I'm sure there's exceptions, but mostly, no matter how fucking awful you are, some little piece of you, inside of you, glimmering way down there, underneath all the fucking violence and murder, knows that you have the potential to be kind. And it tortures you. And I think that's inside every single person. You can feel it in you all the time, no matter how good or how bad you are. There's always that, like, you want to help. There's always something in there. Even fucking Dahmer.

Even the worst of the worst, man. Somewhere in there. It's in every single person. I think it's what we are. And the more separate you get from it, the more you start doing You know you begin it starts with like not putting your fucking shopping cart away at the grocery store The problem was we're talking about people that aren't broken

There's people that through whatever reason through nature or nurture There's people that have fuses broken just like there's people that are born with leukemia Just like some people have cancer just like some people have epilepsy just like some that are born with leukemia, just like some people have cancer, just like some people have epilepsy, just like some people are born with disfigured arms. Some people's brains are fucking wired wrong from the jump. There's something wrong biologically with them. Okay, sure. Right? I mean, wouldn't we assume?

Yes, I totally agree that there are people whose fucking brains aren't working, but I don't think we're just our brains. No, I mean, I don't think so either. But that's what I'm saying. Like, it's not an either or. It's not a nature or a nurture. It's probably all kinds of stuff going on. You know, I mean, I think some people are most likely born with defective minds.

Right. We all agree with that. There is definitely people that have challenged learning disabilities, all sorts of issues and dyslexia. There's all sorts of things that we're absolutely aware of. all sorts of issues in dyslexia. There's all sorts of things that we're absolutely aware of. Well, there's got to be, for sure,

some shit that would lead a person to not understand when they're causing other people harm. Right. Or not care. Or like it. Right. This is a sociopath, right? See, I like to believe that, because, okay, and this is, you know, an infinite, never-ending argument.

Right. Some people believe humans are meat robots. Self-awareness comes from the sum total of all these different processes running at once. And now we have this awareness of the self, whatever that may be. That there is an infinite, never-ending, undying pixel that a human has grown around. And that thing goes on forever. And that thing is made of love, for lack of a better word. It is... Right.

Right? So the idea is, and I like to believe this idea, as crazy as it may sound, anyone can be redeemed. Redemption is possible for all humans living today. There is a way to stop your forward momentum in the direction of selfishness and start moving in the direction of being a little bit less of a fucking prick. little bit less of a fucking prick i believe that maybe people that have the inclination or they have the potential to be a psychopath if they were raised by kind and loving people would develop patterns of behavior that are consistent with civilization and with harmony and community like maybe what you get when you get a psychopath is the combination of really shitty upbringing child abuse all sorts of awful verbal and emotional shit that happens to people in physical shit

That happens people in the young and these traits Yeah And also maybe maybe some of those traits are triggered by genes expressing themselves in time of great duress Yeah, which is one of the things I was talking about that. I forgot earlier I started on it, but I never finished it I was talking about the people that came over on these boats their their gut biome if we're talking about someone who is on a boat for 60 days eating fucking beef jerky and they come over here with scurvy they're desperate their fucking body's eating itself i mean literally their body's eating itself yeah your your your bones are

fucking weak your lack of vitamin c is causing you to get ill. And then you land on this beach, and you're in an insane desperation mode, and you're already a piece of shit. Right. You're already a monster. You're already some monster from Europe. And you come over here with a fucking free pass to wreak havoc. These aren't even people. Look, they're brown.

They don't look anything like us. Right. They get us gold. Hey, get that gold. How do you want me to get it? Any way you can get it. Okay, I'm going to just cut that dude's arm off until he gives me gold.

Right. I mean, what? This is all what we know happened, right? Yeah. When you're starving, I wonder if you really are a different person. Like when you hear about people like the people that came over on the pass in Colorado,

the daughter party, yeah. Want to beat each other. Cause they fucking froze to death out there and they, they didn't know what to do and there was no food. They just started eating each other. Like what, what is the switch that goes off?

Like who are you when that happens? Are you even the same person? Right. If you really are, if your personality consists of this ecosystem that we call your body, which we know for a fact has all sorts of different stuff that's going on. Yeah. There's different stuff on your skin. There's different stuff in your body. Yeah. There's all sorts of different bacteria that coexists with you and even exists in a

symbiotic way, right? Like you need all these things inside your body to consume the food. Like it's part of your digestive system, right? E.coli is a natural part of the human digestive tract, right? It's all in there, right? Yes. What are you when you're starving? Are you like some crazy wolf person? Like what is a person like?

How scary is someone when they're a day from starving to death and they have a knife? Well, man, I mean, this is the question of free will versus no free will. You're saying if you get in a stressful situation, does some kind of mechanism of the swarms of organisms that make up yourself kick in where you no longer are capable of making decisions i'm saying i mean do you even you absolutely i i don't think it ever goes away and i think that you always have this weird autonomy that the universe will try to trick you into thinking isn't there and then suddenly you become a um now of course though i think if you look at the uh judicial system there is a form of murder where you don't uh temporary insanity is what they call it right so you know there's like people who temporarily have lost their fucking mind and

stabbed someone to death they prove that in court and then in that case you don't even go to jail you've killed someone because you're a temporarily fucking insane but i don't know man i think that that mostly mostly if you really watch yourself you realize that you're you're pretty much in control man like you're when i watch myself when i'm about to be an asshole like if i'm about to do something because i'm hangry, as they call it, you're talking about the ultimate version of hangry, which is where you result to cannibalism. Hungry and tired. Yeah. Hangry. Hungry and angry.

Hungry and angry. Hungry. So like, yeah. How do I get tired? How do I get hungry and tired? Hangry. That's hired. Oh.

That's hired in a shitty job but but uh so but if you look at yourself even in that when you're having like biochemical shit going down and you're about to say something nasty to somebody usually or do something nasty usually you're you're like i'm about to i'm like do i give into this horrible impulse yes do i just shit all just open my asshole up and spray Yeah, yeah, yeah, do I do it and then you do it then you do it you say you know I'm gonna fucking spray and it's It's it's just like coming to it's just like coming cuz it's like when you're about to come if you want to this thing When you watch yourself about to have an orgasm right and? And you watch it build and build and build and build. And eventually it gets to a point where you're going to decide to come or you can't control it maybe.

And you're going to fucking come. But you can watch it build and build and build. But when you come, the orgasm is like a mild seizure of joy. Your body goes through these like, there's a whole body though your entire body has a reaction right so in the same way when you start getting angry it's just like when you're fucking about to come it's building and building or a building and then you're like you know what I'm gonna fucking tell this person how I really fucking feel today but you're angry and then woof all this weird seizure shit happens.

Stuff comes out of your mouth that you don't even mean. It's like half real, half not real. But you decide. You decide when to squeeze the trigger. It's not something that you don't have control of, at least mostly. Right. And people who fool themselves into thinking that they don't have control those are the ones who i think relegate themselves into the world of being some kind of machine some kind of

like victimy machine i right but you know that's not really the free will argument right you know the full free free will argument right i know some free will arguments. The most compelling one, the determinism one, what's compelling about it is that it doesn't exonerate you from your decisions. But what it does say is essentially to think that you are somehow or another separate from the influence of your life and that the influence of your life hasn't in some way influenced the way you decide to act and behave. And that a lot of those factors that led you influencing the way you act and behave. Or led to you changing the way you act and behave. Are completely out of your control.

And almost unavoidable in their impact. And that these things shape you in some immeasurable way. That you'll never be completely autonomous from. You'll never be able to completely separate yourself from the influence of your genetics, of your life experiences, of your neighborhood, of your mom or your dad. You're upbringing the developmental period where you may or may not have been ignored or abused or all those factors play a part in how you decide to behave. And even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave and even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave. Okay.

Even your own therapy. Like if you decide, hey man, I'm tired of jizzing all over people with my asshole every time my temperature boils up at the end of the day, I'm going to figure out how to not come home from a hard day's work at the factory and beat my wife. Like even that is potentially determined by your past and not really you having free will to decide not to be a piece of shit anymore okay right so the this okay so by the way this is not my theory this is uh this is more uh of a shitty explanation of what some people have argued and harris argued it on the podcast or just I wouldn't say he's argued it he I would say that he explained it in a

Very interesting way it's compelling and you have to think about it and take it into consideration when you use terms like free will Well, I would do I mean so it gets down to this point of decision, right? So when I look at like a lot of the decisions that I make They're spontaneous and they're not, I'm not sitting around thinking like, how am I going to turn my steering wheel at this moment as I'm on the interstate? What mild adjustments am I going to make?

This is all just a kind of spontaneous thing that seems to be part of autopilot. And I know a lot of people are running on autopilot in most of what they do, but I still don't think that it negates free will. It's like you could think of your life as a boat, and everyone's in a different shaped boat. And the boat's been shaped by experience, genetics, gender. What kind of boat? Just from my vision, what kind of boat am I in? What kind of boat am I in? Yeah,. Kind of boat. What? Just from my vision.

What kind of boat am I in? What kind of boat am I in? Yeah, what kind of boat? Well, my boat has a fucking graying beard and one ball, brother. Just trying to picture a fishing boat. Are we in a cruise liner? Let's just say it's a fucking, for a lot of people, it ain't a cruise liner let's just say it's a fucking for a lot of people it ain't a cruise liner right for a lot of people it's a raft that's built of different things that they've decided to grab out of the infinite world of phenomena and hammer together to create some kind of vessel

which is their reality tunnel that they're living in and they're navigating this fucking raft and so sure some people they might have a boat that is a little more cumbersome and a little more difficult to navigate through the never-ending string of decisions that you have to make if you exist inside of time. But still, you can. There's parts of that boat, I guarantee it, man.

There's parts of your boat that you can revise. You might not be able to change at all you're probably not going to be able to change your skin color you're not going to be able to change your yet people are certainly changing the gender of their fucking boats you know people are doing that right now and i think as technology continues to advance uh we're going to find that we're more crisper i think we're going to find we're more and more able to like actually change the structure of our boats according to our desire. But if you really analyze what's going on in your life, you will see that you are actively

making decisions from moment to moment that are, and who's making the decision? Well, I don't know. Well, that's where it gets weird, right? If you want to say it's your gut biome, if you want to say it's the end of a never-ending series of decisions made by a never-ending string of people. But wait a minute. Why does it have to be either or? Isn't it all these things? I think that's where the argument gets really weird because I think it's all these things.

Yeah. life experiences and its genetics and its choices and its consciousness and it's the willful expression of positive ideas enforcing them on your life and what is the motivation behind that is it your past is it what you've learned is it a fucking inspirational youtube video you watched this afternoon yeah who cares whatever it is it's a bunch of shit it's a bunch of shit going on all over the place and i think the idea of separating that is akin to the idea of separating us from all of the life that's on this planet. I think we've done a weird

thing with houses and clothes and cars. We've done a weird thing where we're not touching the world anymore. We're not touching it with our feet. We're not touching it with our skin. We're allergic to a bunch of shit. We can't get anything on us we can't go anywhere near certain animals if they touch your skin you get hives there's a bunch of

stuff that we've done in separating ourselves from the natural world that's left us really fucking confused and i think one of those confusions lies in when we've created civilizations and cities we've lost our contact, our physical contact. We don't have a physical contact. The physical contact in nature is all playing through the bottom of your boots. You're breathing it in still. Do you occasionally touch it? Yeah, you occasionally brush up against a tree.

But whatever influence these things have through each other in this insane network of interwoven root systems and mycelium and fungus and rotting leaves and animals all around you. And all that stuff, you get through a filter now. All that stuff you get through your car window, all that stuff you get through your clothes. Yeah, sure. You're not in contact with that stuff anymore. And by not being in contact with it You forget that it has a message like When you when you lay in the grass just lay in the ground just go somewhere and lay in the grass

It feels good It actually feels like the planet is like like hug like you hugging someone when you hug someone it feels good Sure, it feels good to lay in a nice. There's no bugs someone it feels good sure it feels good to lay in a nice was no bugs cunty fucking ass might crawl up your ass feels good to temporary laying yeah you don't get you don't lay down in a fire ant hive you get fucked up by a bunch of bees or bees by a bunch of bugs but I think that if you go into nature on a daily basis like there was something that I I read the other day that I tweeted about them some forget who that what the university was

They were literally saying that there is an argument that a certain amount of nature is like like a vitamin Antidepressant. Yeah, well like you get vitamin D from the Sun. Yeah, there's a certain amount of Vitality a certain amount of positive like life force that you get from being in nature. Makes sense, man. I mean, I know that whenever I go out, I mean, just like anything, just like, I got plants now that I have to water. Oh, so there's another thing I was going to talk to you about. What?

I was going to ask you. Do you think, if these scientists are correct, and obviously they are, about this interconnection between plants and about how they communicate with each other and about how they even allocate resources to those that are in need. Is it fucked up to keep plants? Is it fucked up to keep something that you decide, no, you're going to live in this box, man. You're going to live in this box right here.

It's round. Just keep looking for the outside. Keep spinning around. Keep looking. You know you're not going to communicate with anybody else because there isn't anybody else. It's just you. It's just you, lonely and fucked up, sitting in this pot. Or can they communicate through the air?

Are they communicating through the air? And if it does, does it get through your windows? Man, I got 7,000 things I got to feel bad about before my fucking house plants land there. But should you have plants in your house in a pot? Should they all be outside? I mean, if they're outside. With their friends? No problem, right?

If they're outside, you got a yard and you dig a hole and you put your plant in there and you water it and it grows and it's a part of the whole system. That's like a dog with a yard. Otherwise, you got a German shepherd and you keep them in a fucking little tiny kitchen. You got them penned in there. You ever do the thing where you start thinking about? How funny the concept of inside and outside is you ever do that? Oh, yeah, it's so funny because it's like okay in my house

I'm now inside even though there's just like a layer of wood around me I'm in some other place that's different than the outside. You know, you know, you're really, there is no such thing as inside. I'll tell you one better. How about, how about this? How about the phrase, the great outdoors? Right. What? You mean reality?

You mean the earth itself? Like it is odd to be an enthusiast of the world itself. Yeah. We spend so much time in these artificially created environments yeah with air conditioning and neon light is it neon no depends lcd light cd now these days i think this is not lcd though fluorescent right that's what i'm looking for neon neon's like uh cigars yeah um but these artificial environments that we create we're in them way more than we are the outside.

So when we're actually in the outdoors, we can call ourselves, I'm an outdoorsman. What do you like to do? I like to do the great outdoors. Yeah. That's what I like, bro. Sure. I like to be in the great outdoors. Yeah.

The great outdoors is instead of saying the world, nature. I'm a nature enthusiast i love nature in all its forms man including houses virtual reality not not just being in a fucking house joe but being inside another universe inside the house that is what i like and it's and also guess what because a lot of anti-vr people they're like when they're like, you'll forget about outside. No. I go outside, enjoy the sun, enjoy my shitty little garden. Speaking of fucking cruelty to plants, God forbid you become one of my plants.

God forbid. May you never be one of my plants. But I still go out there and I try to keep them alive. But man, VR is such a beautiful thing because it creates the same, almost the same sense of like, you know, like when you go in a big space and it feels good. I don't know why, but you'll wear it. It could be a shitty warehouse. But if it's big, if you go into like an expansive plane, you're like, ah, this feels good. I put up pictures up from the Vatican. I was in the Vatican last week or two weeks ago, and I went to St. Peter's Basilica,

and I put a bunch of photos of it on my Instagram feed. Have you ever been to the Vatican? Not yet. You got to go. First of all, it is trippy psychedelic. There's a giant pine cone, okay? They have this huge courtyard with a huge pine cone, which represents the pineal gland and these two peacocks that represent eternal life.

Peacocks. Apparently that's, I took that photo. Um, the, uh, the guide was super psyched when I knew what the pine cone meant. His eyes lit up and I said, it represents the pineal gland, right? And he's like, how do you know that? And then we started talking about Christianity and its potential roots in psychedelic drugs and ancient Roman culture. And how, you know, like the John Marco Allegro book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Scroll, where he thought that what Christianity was initially was a bunch of stories where they hid these psychedelic rituals in parables and stories to hid it from the Romans. Because when they were being conquered by the Romans,

they didn't want them to know how magical the mushrooms were and that they were a connection to God. And that the pineal gland, like I forget the actual chemical composition of DMT, or not DMT rather, but mushrooms. But what DMT is, dimethyltryptamine, is in some form, that's what happens to psychedelic mushrooms. When you take psilocybin, I think it's like 4-Fox-4-Haloxy, and I know I'm butchering it, and dimethyltryptamine. But it's some version of dimethyltryptamine is produced when you consume psilocybin mushrooms. So these guys knew that. They knew that, and then it was a part of their art.

And it represented that pineal gland, this giant fucking 15-foot-tall pine cone, represented what they thought was the seat of the soul. That's why it's sitting there in this fucking, this gigantic tray being held up by angels and shit. Seat of the soul, man. Seat of the soul, man. Seat of the soul. See?

That's the fucking VR goggles for the soul. That's what that is. That's the way we peer into this dimension. Look at the St. Peter's Basilica. These photos, this is from something that they built in the 1600s. They had no computers. They had no power tools. They had no... There's photos on my Instagram. There it is. So cool, dude. You're seeing it right now in a picture and I'm telling

you it doesn't do it justice. This thing's insane. It took hundreds of years to fully complete and the size of it and the scale of it. It's mind. But there's one photo that I put where you can see the actual people in the background. Look at the size of that fucking place. And that is a small sliver of how big the place is. I'm telling you, it's not doing it any justice. It's perfect. The artwork is staggering.

I mean, everybody talks about the Sistine Chapel. The Sistine Chapel is pretty fucking beautiful. I mean, without a doubt, it's fucking beautiful. I mean, without a doubt, it's a modern, I mean, not a modern, an amazing work of art, but it ain't shit compared to St. Peter's Basilica. Look at that. It's the all seeing eye. Dude, that's the sunroof. That's an eyeball. Yeah. Whatever it is. Looking down. No, look at that. That's definitely an eyeball, man. There's a bunch of people in the eyeball. Yeah. They're angels. There's angels got stuck in God's eyeball.

Couldn't that just be a light? Isn't it possible it's just a light? No, Joe. Look right underneath that eye. See that pyramid right under the eye? Dude, how the fuck did they even climb up there? That's a photo of Hercules, that last one. That's a gigantic bronze Hercules that they buried in the second century. They built in the second century a.d but it got hit by lightning twice and they went this thing's

fucking haunted so they buried it they buried it underground they didn't find it until 1864 wow isn't it amazing dude that the vatican is a mind fuck that floor is 1700 years old and you walk on it everybody walks on it thousands of people a day walk on a 1700 year old mosaic floor pretty cool man that's where they say they've got all these like hidden manuscripts and shit that no one's ever gonna see that's what you would initially gravitate to when your secrets the secrets are you kidding the vatican's filled with secrets man little boy secrets they've been not just that of other shit, too, man. They've been gathering information. I mean, think about it. It's like they've controlled so many world leaders who have done confessions. And you think that the Vatican doesn't like when a world leader gives a confession, doesn't write that shit down, put it in the fucking library. They probably have confessions of some of the greatest kings.

They knew everything, man. It's the priest class. You're freaking me out. That's true. You're freaking me out anyway. I hope I am. I should be, man. That's a fucking Vatican.

Think about what that is. Well, they're a country. Yeah, it's a country. Yeah, it's a small country it's a hundred acre country every time a catholic puts money in a bowl it a little bit of that money makes it to that fucking place that's the nexus point of dough for one of the world's one one branch of the world's main religions that's's a fucking, that's just all the money. People who are like, just at the end of their fucking rope,

people who have like $3,000 left in their bank account, but they're like, you know what? I'm going to give this to the church because God will bless me. They give that money to the church, and that money goes straight to building a fucking shitty lightning-catching statue. That's what all the money of people who desperately needed it for actual things has gotten sucked to the vatican where it's used to build gold thrones that the pope sits on and talks about the importance of charity it's hilarious

well he did the new guy doesn't do it anymore the new guy doesn't do it anymore. The new guy doesn't do the throne. He doesn't sit on the throne? No, he has a real chair. Vatican Secret Archives. Six of the most intriguing documents in church history. Oh my God. Documents from the Galileo heresy trial.

I'd throw that one out if I was the Catholic Church. Let's forget about that. No, please. Let's forget about that. Tell me you wouldn't want to read that. When they were telling him hey dude you're wrong the earth is the center of the fucking universe now either you want to stay in that attic for the rest of your life like that uh serial killer lady remember that lady

serial killer lady what was her name but oh killed all the young women henry the seventh asking for a divorce an annulment a king has to ask your permission you've become so powerful kings are like can i please break up with my girlfriend that's henry the eighth he was the one that chopped their heads off right yeah that's the ultimate annulment that's when he got sick of sending letters how stupid is it they still use v i i i we had a guess well you know you said the seventh and I said the eighth. I had to count the lines. Oh, fuck. That reminds me.

I'm sure you've already talked about this in the podcast and it's stupid. So go ahead and call me stupid. And I'm sorry. Don't pre-claim things. You know about the Baron, you know, the Berenstain Bears thing? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Fuck. Yeah. We've talked about it way, way back in the day. Well, Vice had a whole article about it. I didn't, I didn't really remember it so it wasn't that much of a revelation to me. I don't think I read that when I was a kid. I was more of a Dr. Seuss type kid. I didn't understand

that everybody thought it was Steen but it was Stane. That's what I thought. Yeah, I definitely thought that. But the idea that some people remember that Nelson Mandela died in prison and some people think he got out. That's the trippiest idea. Well, have you ever, you know the Queen song, We Are the Champions?

Yeah. Everybody think it ends with, of the world, but it doesn't. It just ends. And everybody tries to sing of the world, but it doesn't end that way. Like there's a funny thing that this guy does on YouTube where he gets in a car and he drives people around, They lip sync. They sing along like karaoke rather. They sing along to songs and they're singing along to the Queen song. We are the champions. And it gets to the end and it's George, um, what the fuck's his name? The actor, George Clooney, um, Julia Roberts and, uh, someone else. I forget who the other

person is. And they're singing along and it gets to the end and they all want to say of the world and it doesn't say that and they're like what the fuck and they're all confused and i thought it did too everybody does it seems like there's a a line that we all collectively decided was missing from that song yeah it's a collective fuck up of memory time traveler proof i wish we could play it but we can't play it. They'll yank us off YouTube. But find the video. See if you can find the video so we can tell people what video to watch because it's hilarious watching George Clooney get to the end

and want to say, Of the world, we are the champions, my friend. What a bad motherfucker Freddie Mercury was. You ever listen to queen every now and again oh yeah throw on some queen it's insane jesus he was good yeah he was so so good bohemian rhapsody you play that you're like what like what a what an amazing piece of

expression he seems like he was one of the most disciplined people when it came to his work like it's he seems like somebody who was constantly working on his voice just a workaholic maybe maybe for sure unbelievably talented and and had an incredible knack for expressing himself i was listening to some npr interview with a i can't remember she's a a famous Broadway singer and she's talking about what she does every day. And it's crazy. Oh, to sing on Broadway. Oh my God. She's like, it's like three hours of physical exercise a day mixed in with an hour of meditation mixed in with vocal exercises. So it's like every single day she's doing like an eight-hour prep for this shit that she's doing. It's amazing when you hear about people who are that disciplined. Yeah, that's not good for us.

We can't do that shit, dude. What? Here it is. This is them. They get to the end. Oh, it's Gwen Stefani was the other one. We are the champions. Okay, we can play it because it's not the music.

It's just them singing. But we can't do it Because it's their video Yeah They'll be mad too It's James Corden's show Who's James Corden? The late late show

He took over for Craig Ferguson This past year I think Here they go I must have a show They get to the part At the end No we don't have to see this I'm scared

Yeah we're gonna get yanked off youtube uh there was a big thing uh that i tweeted today where some guy was talking about his audio book being on youtube oh yeah i saw that yeah and people this guy said that he sold 50 000 audio books but there was like 19 000 views or something like that on youtube and he was like what in the fuck like that's a giant chunk of the people that have listened to my book pirated it. Right. You know? And he's like, Hey, I get, this is how I make a living. Like I get paid from this stuff. It's interesting because you know, obviously YouTube has them up and they, you know, somehow or another someone puts it up there and they didn't get it down without a request. Like you have, there's an algorithm that finds it. You have to find it.

So like it's totally possible. I'm sure a lot of your bits are up there somewhere where someone's put them up and they put them up on their channel you just you don't know you mean from the podcast from podcast from stand up from but imagine if you had a book and you made all your money if you're an author you make all your money off the audiobook or a big a percentage at least can't they just claim, do a copyright claim? It seems like you just get it off. But those 19,000 views he doesn't get, those are gone. You know? Right. Like how many of those 19,000 views would have translated into him selling an audio book is the real question. That is the real question, if any. And here's the real question for standups, right? The question is when your bits make it on youtube like say if you do a comedy central special in particular right and then your bits make it on youtube the more people

pirate your stuff i don't know if you call it pirating but more they take it and they put it on youtube the more people are going to see you the more people are going to come to see you the more it's going to be worth it to you to do another comedy central special right right so it becomes different for us because we we kind of exist for the live shows. Like the live show is the big, big part of what we do, right? Yeah. And anything that'll get more people to go to the live shows is like a better thing, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I would think so. But not for an author. I mean... For that guy, he feels like he got fucked, you know? Well, I think, wasn't he saying that like YouTube's like culpable here?

Like, YouTube's making money off of the thing in some indirect way that, and acting like they're not? Like, it is, like, who's the person who is, because the person who uploaded it, are they generating money from the thing? Or did they just upload it because they love it? That's a good question. I don't know. Yeah, that's where it gets weird. I think in the article he was saying how with a lot of music now, thank God, when you upload it on your YouTube stream, they just get the profits from whatever you're advertising it. Right.

And that's way better than what it used to be. They need to upgrade the system so this guy gets the same deal he has with Audible anytime somebody listens to the book. Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that he deserves that for sure. But here's my weirdness about all this. You know, we were talking about language and the limitations of language and the eventuality of a virtual reality. And I wonder how we're going to digest data and information in a virtual world. Like if people decide, like what if you decide that you want to read books in a virtual world? Yeah. And that this is how you want to read books. The way you want to read books is with your feet up on the couch in your mansion,

in your virtual world, while these girls around you like finger bang themselves with high heels on and Queens fat bottom girls. You make the rocking world go round, plays in the world. Yes. All these girls around you like finger banging themselves with high heels on and Queens fat bottom girls. You make the rocking world go around, plays in the background. Sure. And you get to sit down and read books in a virtual world. Yeah. What happens then?

Like what happens when you're watching movies in a virtual world? Well, that's probably, that'd be stupid. Same as streaming. I think the movies would be, they would exist. I think movies in a virtual world, they're definitely coming, right? And they're going to exist in the world. You're not going to sit down and watch a movie. Oh, no. They have great theaters in VR now. You can sit down, put on a movie, and watch it on a massive screen in VR. Why do they do that? Is there limitations in the medium where they can't have the movie play out in front of you? Like if you went to see Jaws, right?

Oh, I don't know. It's kind of nice to watch a movie floating in space. I don't mind that. There's an app called Virtual Desktop where you put on your VR goggles and suddenly your desktop is wrapped around you. A giant screen? suddenly your desktop is wrapped around you. A giant screen? Giant screen wrapped around you that you then can pull up any kind of movie you might want to watch.

And so you just can sit in there and watch. And if you look down, you see space. Yeah, that's it. Virtual desktop. Now, the problem with VR, when you look at that, the problem with VR, people looking at it on the internet, is it, you cannot convey how fucking cool it looks from looking at it that way. Right. Like, it is, suddenly there's this massive thing in front of you. Does space look real?

What? Does space look real? It looks... Real enough? Pretty. I wouldn't say that, I mean, i wouldn't say that i mean i i wouldn't say really realistic i think there are probably some there's got to be by now some 360 videos that are actually from from hubble but it looks good enough where you're like this is fucking incredible well what's the benefit of like they're just watching you play a video game what's the

benefit of playing a video game on a screen in the virtual world instead of playing the video game in the virtual world well i think but honestly in that case i don't know like i've i started a game up in there just like fuck this but you hear you see what i'm saying here because like he's clicking menus and stuff he's using it like a computer yeah i think it's uh i don't know if the benefit is the right thing to look for there it's just just badass to suddenly be completely immersed in a new environment doing whatever the work is that you want to do. Though with virtual desktop, I just use it to watch documentary. About breeding? Yeah.

But what I'm thinking is, would you rather... Okay, right there. Perfect example. You're looking at thinking is, like, would you rather, like, okay, like there, perfect example. You're looking at a screen, right? Yeah. Clearly a floating screen. If you watch Jaws on that floating screen, that would not be as good as if you were sitting in your living room and you're looking down and you were on the boat with Roy Scheider when he was like, we're going to need a bigger boat.

Oh, you mean like if there was like a VR Jaws? Yes. Oh, yeah. That'd be fucking cool. It just doesn't exist yet. Right. But that's what I'm saying. Like, that's going to happen, right?

Of course. Yeah. That'll definitely happen for sure no question and when they do things like that like will you be able to enjoy other things in that world like will you be able to go into that world like here we're in the swiss alps where the fuck we are in a fake world would you be able to go to this place and put on uh an a podcast like would you be able to go to this place and put on a podcast? Like, would you be able to, like, look down at your phone, find the Duncan Trussell Family Hour, and start streaming it live on your phone while you're skiing down the side of the virtual hill? Would you be able to do that? Dude, you could already do that. Yeah, look.

I mean, look, man. This is like Rick and Morty's video game is accepting that you're in VR. And yeah, there's all kinds of shit you could do in there. Like, for example, man, there's one of these games called Fantastic Contraption, which is one of the most... Dude, show split reality fantastic contraption. Have you looked at this where people have managed to put up a green screen and interpolate the two videos so it looks like you're actually in the game? That's the close... Show that fantastic contraption.

Everything in there is fucking psychedelic. But check this out. When you see people in the reality itself... Yeah, there you go. Whoa. Watch what he does. So this guy's walking around. This is what he's seeing.

So what we're looking at and what he's seeing, are we going to get kicked off YouTube for this? You don't need the audio. No audio, please. I'm worried. So this guy's moving around, and while he's moving around, he's doing a bunch of stuff. There's better videos than this one, though for sure there's like well just explain to the people that are listening what we're seeing oh yeah you're you're just seeing like in fantastic contraption what is that what is

fantastic contraption you're in this like weird putting green and you have to build these amazing devices to um the way unfortunately these videos you're not seeing the guy actually form the shit like watch this What am I watching Duncan? Well, he starts people are listening watch this. Oh, sorry You're seeing look at this look at this You have to stretch out these like tubes to build this weird device that you like then Automates itself to try to I'm honest to God talking about it You feel like a fucking you're listening to an eight-year-old talk about a drawing that they made like what what are you talking about

it's impossible to convey it's a game and it's a game where this guy's moving he's got devices in his hand and then devices move things in the virtual world he's holding on to these two like controllers but this is not a good if you look up doesn't matter it's still pretty fucking cool yeah you'll see it on friday i'll show you i've got it listen what we need to talk about is porn what's that like duncan what's it like in this world what's it like so um i mean it's like i'll tell you something even better than porn man uh-oh um here's what's's really cool about VR that I don't think a lot of people have caught on to. Maybe a few of them have. Because the porn, of course, is amazing. It is, if anything, is going to drive VR.

And I hope everything drives VR. It's going to be the fucking porn because the porn that is shot for VR is very, very close to like experiencing having sex with someone, obviously, minus the body. Right. There's no body there. There's no body there. But it's amazing and it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems. And it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems. And I'm excited to hear the outrage that comes from the world when people start realizing that every single person on Earth now has access, not just to, in a voyeuristic way, witnessing. Ooh. That, I'm telling you, man, that is, that's.

Whoa, this girl's ass is insane. And so she's right in front of you, but this is, they're not doing a good job of this because it's got two eyeballs. Well, that's just how it... Yeah, you have to use virtual desktop to bring those two things together. Like the porn that you download is broken up and is stereoscopic. So the VR goggles bring it together. So you have to get specific programs that are designed for this right yeah like uh yeah just google search reddit how not to watch vr porn so these guys that are watching it like we're watching this guy who's sitting on this bed and like he looks like he's

doing everything to keep from coming in his pants he's laughing like i don't ever watch porn like that there's like sheer joy in him watching that porn like what you're talking about is something that's very different than watching a two-dimensional screen it's it's as different as sex and watching a two-dimensional screen except there's no body there i mean you are in you look or you can look around you can like you know like for example Let's say there was a and by the way. I'm not doing this shit a friend of mine watches it, but let's say let's say that there was a um let's say that there was a In a VR porn experience. There's a girl who's giving you a blowjob While another girl is shoving her pussy in your face

You can actually look up is shoving her pussy in your face, you can actually look up. And see her pussy. Not her pussy. You can look around her pussy and see her face looking down at you, just like it was really happening. So that's VR porn.

Whoa. That's what it's like. So wait a minute. You can look at her pussy and then you can go back to the other girl sucking your dick? You could move anywhere. You could stare at her feet

if you're a weirdo? Or not. If you just were a fan of feet. Either way, either way, either way. It's a game changer. It's a game changer, man. It's a game changer and it's one of the many freedoms that virtual reality is offering people. It's like you were saying, even just watching a movie in 2D in your virtual reality room is pretty awesome.

Maybe you don't have the greatest apartment, right? But you put on VR goggles and suddenly your apartment is transformed into a massive, beautiful space. In the HTC Vive, it comes with VR home and there's two different versions but when you go into this space you feel that same sense of expansiveness that you get from being in a big space right like it's your body still like feels like it's you know you're in a you still feel that weird sense of freedom that you feel when you're in a big space and you're not there. It's beautiful, man. It's like one of the most liberating, incredible technologies. I think that some people are giving it a little bit of a hard time right now because they see the game from YouTube

and they think those graphics look like shit. But let me tell you man do minecraft and vr like i just i did minecraft and vr i play minecraft and vr regularly now but you do minecraft and vr and when suddenly you're perched on the edge of a cliff looking down on some hyper colored underground river your body initially reacts in the same way it reacts to being at the edge of a real cliff. Your balance gets weird. You're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. It's that real.

That's the vibe. The HTC Vive is in-fucking-sane. Jesus, man. I can't wait to show you, man. It's like, it just works. It doesn't mess up. Like, anytime I want to now, i can go like i've i've made a room in my house where now i can just put on these goggles and i'm instantly in oh fucking

there's a game called hover junkers which is so fun what is it so you um you you could you probably pull it up you ride around like it knows how big the space is, what's called your play space. It knows how big it is. So you're riding in a craft in this play space, shooting weapons at people flying around and these other things. Yeah. So you could all go in your garage, and the garage would become the environment where you're playing your game oh

yeah man you're not in your garage anymore you're flying around on that fucking thing shooting at people which means you actually have to be good at shooting like you have to be able to aim this isn't like pressing buttons like you need to know how to fire at least some what are you holding are you holding a fake gun no you're holding these controllers that feel exactly like a fucking, they feel very close to a gun. And it's got haptic technology, so when you're shooting, it's vibrating. I wonder if this would actually teach you how to shoot better. They have a great archery program. Is it making your archery better?

It's making me not do archery because I just do it. It's way easier. Are you good at it? Are you good at this archery because i just do it it's way easier are you good at it are you good at this archery yeah me doing real archery definitely translated into me playing look up the i'm sorry to keep asking you look up stuff jamie look up uh archery the lab vr this is one of my favorite archery programs they also have a vr boxing which i haven't tried yet, which I'm excited about because that seems like you could really train people to learn how to box. Let's see. I don't know if this is – yeah, that's a different archery program than the one that – look up the lab. Oh, fuck.

It's Valve. Look up Valve Archery VR. Oh, there it is. Yeah, this one's really fucking fun, man. Yeah, this one is fucking cool. You just shoot at these little guys who are trying to infiltrate your game. Whoa. So you're shooting at things.

Yeah, and it's so fun. It's a game. Oh, my God. Are you pulling a bow back like what are you doing in your hands so you have two controllers you're pulling them back there's haptic so it vibrates according to this the tension of the bow string and then when you want an arrow you're reaching behind your back and pulling it from behind your back that is nuts man yeah it's so fun i wonder if it actually could help your archery skills. For sure. The only problem is it's really weird because you get used to like, it's different because you use a compound bow, but you know you get, no, it's kind of the same.

You get used to, like I have a place on my cheek where I put my thumb. Yeah, anchor point. The anchor point changes because the goggles fuck up your, so you have to get used to a new anchor point. But it's still pretty fucking fun. I mean, how how often you get to shoot at things in in like an archery range like this yeah this is wild and i wonder i mean they should definitely be able to do something like this for uh like compound bows oh yeah definitely go deer hunting with it there's another archery program that you can get on steam that looks

pretty cool uh i can't remember the name of it, though, but it looks a little bit more, I guess, realistic. Well, they have an archery program. See if you can find this archery program where you shoot at a virtual screen. You actually shoot a real bow at these images on a screen. And you go in front of a giant movie theater type thing. And you stand in front of this thing, and these animals walk by.

Oh, that's cool. And they run from you, and they hide. And you stand in front of this thing and these animals walk by. Oh, that's cool. And they run from you and they hide. And you've got to sneak up on them and shoot arrows at them. I mean, I'm sure this will be translated into VR. And I'll tell you, Joe, if I were you, man, I would be developing shit for VR right now. Developing?

Yeah, goddammit. I'm not a developer. There are so many ideas that you will have when you try these goggles on Where you're gonna be like this hat this needs to exist in the world Get this shit developed man because it's gonna like there's so many things that once you experience it We're like oh someone needs to build this someone like for example a fucking boxing Jamie's nodding In the in the one hour, I think I got a demonstration of it I was just sitting there asking the guy So what about when where someone gets a hold of this and they start thinking about doing this thing and what about when rockstar gets it and then they start thinking about making

grand theft auto this way he's like yes you're quick your brain just like well fallout is coming for the vibe which is going to be pretty fucking cool but dude from the and they have like a a boxing program that looks like it's still in development. But a fucking real boxing program. Because it tracks the controllers perfectly in real time. So you could actually learn how to box. Yes. Someone needs to build a real...

Not only learn how to box, but you could train with the great boxers. Maybe you could throw kicks too. Well, you would have to have something on your foot. You'd have to have another addition. Seems like that could be done with boots, right? Easily, man. Easily. Some kind of sneakers. You could get a great fucking workout too.

Oh, I'm sure. Remember when people were doing Dance Dance Revolution, they lost tons of weight? Yeah. It was a huge thing. Yeah. A lot of guys lost, and gals, lost a ton of weight off that Dance Dance Revolution game

because it was so fun to do well that's what's funny about vr is that right now when people think of a video gamer they don't you're not going to hear someone say oh they're lean and tan and they like her deck they have such dexterity but now when you think of a someone who's great at vr they're gonna you gotta be in fucking shit There's the boxing program. I'm going to download it. The creators of this seem like they're super cool. Oh, fuck up, son.

I think I could get a good workout with this. They have VR pool, too. How good? I don't want that. Pool's real. But see, the thing about this is, this is something that you could do on your own and get a workout in.

What I find interesting about this, too, is you could tune a dude up and you don't feel bad about it. Right, exactly. Now, what you need to do eventually is they're going to have something that looks like this, but it's a robot, like both things. Like you have a thing that you can actually hit. Well, no, you could already. I'm sure there's a way that you could hang a bag.

Because, like, okay, so when I. When I'm talking about something that hits back well yeah that's that that's gonna be something that crazy doesn't have to have a lot of power it could have like a really mushy arm and it it knows how to move the way the way you move like it's actually throwing punches at you so if if it hits you, it's not hurting you. You know what that could be, man? It could be like a haptic face mask that registers the punch and vibrates so that you could feel it, you know, wherever it hits you. It could be, but it also could be like some sort of a robot that has inflatable arms and the inflatable arms moved with the program. And the inflatable arms moved with the program so as you're looking at Apollo Creed in front of you when he snaps his Jap out at you pop. He's he's throwing this like spongy almost like

inflatable raft Balloon arm you know like when you little kids yeah inflatable balloon toys Yeah, you know like that like it's not gonna hurt you at all. It's just gonna touch your face It would be fucking incredible and then what's in what you're gonna see man is people are gonna get really good at this shit Like if you're good at shooting in VR Minus like the heft of the gun and the real kick of whatever gun in the real world you using yours It's it's gonna translate we are tomorrow at just floating Pasadena Zack Leary and I are testing out,

I think for the first time, VR in a float tank. Zach Leary, Timothy Leary's son? Timothy Leary's son. What are you up to, Duncan Trussell? Huh? You dropping out and tuning in? We're trying to induce the observer effect. We've got this awesome guy, Dustin,

who's helped us build a floating in space program. So the idea is, can you induce the effect astronauts report when they're floating in space looking down on Earth? If you put someone in the zero G or the semi zero G of a float tank and give them the impression that they're staring down on planet Earth, and we've got this genius designer who's, I haven't looked at it yet. Dude, you are freaking me the fuck out right now. Well, let's hope it works, man.

Because this is something that makes sense to me, in my world, the world of the float. Yeah, man. You know, like something like that, like adding floating to it. You know, Crash was trying to do something similar a long time ago. He was developing programs. He developed a screen, Crash from the Float Lab, I should say. He's one of the big innovators of floating tanks in this country. He developed a screen that had one of the lowest emissions of light

possible so that when you'd be lying down in this tank, complete darkness, you would look up at the screen and the amount of light came out, it was so minuscule that it allowed you to see clearly the images but didn't show a defined line of a screen so you were never removed from this idea that you're floating through the universe but in front of you all these things are playing out and he had this idea that you would learn things easier that way like you could watch like a golf documentary or a golf instructional rather and you could learn like how to swing a golf club properly because you would be seeing it through a first-person perspective well um Zach's

dad had this idea I think it's called the Timothy Leary Tim Leary probably say whose dad was Tim Timothy Leary had this idea of the eight circuits of colors is it Zach's dad yeah sweetie well I mean anyone and he was a fucking sweetie tim leary was like tim timothy leary was one he was i put him on the same level as galileo he was an incredibly brilliant human being and a lot of his ideas got lost and is like he he gets called an lsd propagandist but there's a lot of other shit he was coming up with and um one of those was this model i think it's the eight circuits of consciousness the idea is that humans are meant to migrate into space and that in the same way like different creatures when they enter into new habitats they actually change a little

bit there's or in other words like you take a a sea turtle who's laid eggs in the sand and the first time a little baby sea turtle climbs out of the egg and burrows out of the sand, it's a land creature until it hits water. And then all of a sudden all this other instinctual shit kicks in and it learns how to be a sea turtle. More than likely gets eaten. Not a lot of them make it. But the ones that survive become sea turtles, right? So the idea is that humans are meant for interstellar, for travel in space. And that if we go into zero-g, then what could potentially happen are changes in our psyche and maybe even in our genetic makeup.

Like maybe if we go into space long enough, we'll start transforming into some new creature that we were meant to be. Was it Ed Mitchell that was talking about the experience of being in space, that he would like to take everybody up there and that you would realize how ridiculous boundaries are and how ridiculous wars are. If you could see the Earth as a whole the way he saw it. Ed Mitchell, is he still alive?

I believe he is. Ed Mitchell, we're trying to do it for you, brother. Ed Mitchell's not alive? No, he died? Well, wherever you are, Ed Mitchell. He was an interesting guy. He was an interesting one because he was really into UFOs, especially before he died. He was one of the more compelling

cases of someone who went into space and came back with a profound belief in UFOs. Right. But, you know, it's always hard. You don't know the guy. I don't know the guy. I don't know what his motivation was. I hope he was being honest. But there's a lot of money in UFOs. And if you're a fucking astronaut you want to cash in that's the best way i'm not i'm not saying that he would do it i'm not saying that but the cynic in me has to always go well how well do they take care of their astronauts i mean how well do they get paid i'll tell you what man if you can tap into some of that sweet sweet ufo money ufo dough there's a lot of money

in them ufo books fuck little green men I want little green bits of paper, motherfucker. I mean, it's not like Hillary Clinton speaking fees, but if you can get a former U.S. astronaut who went to the moon to sit down and talk to you about the little green men that he might have seen

or the idea that they might exist. Fuck. Well, you know what, man? You know, there are nefarious people in this world, and I don't know

if fucking Ed Mitchell saw UFOs or not. It wouldn't surprise know, there are nefarious people in this world, and I don't know if fucking Ed Mitchell saw UFOs or not. It wouldn't surprise me that there are other creatures that you run into up there that for whatever reason you're not supposed to announce. I don't know, man. It's totally possible. Look, if we could send a robot to Mars, it's totally possible that something's up there. It's totally possible that something is around Earth all the time.

We just don't get a chance to see it. I this is what terence mckinnon always talked about he's like we spend all this money on these telescopes when for however you don't even most people won't even sell you dmt right they give it to you but like when you know just like however much it costs for whatever the device you use to inhale the dmt or however much the it costs you to get down to wherever the ayahuasca shaman was or whatever it is. You're going to encounter things that seem to have a personality that is not your personality and that they don't have a normal human body. And, you know, I was just reading Alistair Crowley last night, and he's talking about we use the term angel not because we're saying there's some angel out there,

but it's more convenient than saying here is a representation of the higher form of human intelligence that has come in the form of an archetype that our brains translate as an angel. It's just easier to call it an angel for the sake of just pragmatism because you want to achieve some goal just call it a fucking angel we used to call aliens angels that's what we used to call well isn't the idea of a person with no possible way of measuring what something is even if whether you have an experience or not i have to take your word for it i I'm assuming you had an experience. You say it was an angel. The idea of putting a label on that, a definitive label,

like, oh, I definitely met an angel. Right. How the fuck do you know what an angel is? Right. How do you know it was an alien? It was definitely an alien?

You sure it wasn't an angel? Sure. How do you know? You don't know. You're guessing. Right. You don't know what an angel is or an alien is. And as a matter of fact,

you shouldn't be able to say those words because you don't even know what the fuck they mean. Either one of those words, you're just saying nonsense. And for you to be like super definitive about it, like you're definitely sure that it was an angel. Right. Or you're definitely sure that it was an alien. You're crazy. You don't even know what you saw. Well, you-

You don't have anything you can bring back. There's no physical matter where you brought to a scientist and a bunch of peer-reviewed scientists from all over the world studied it and determined that this was actually alien tissue. No, there's none of that. So no matter what it is, the label's ridiculous. Right. And to get caught up in the label is kind of to waste your time. Unless you're using the label as something to expedite your ability to recontact that thing, in which case labels are fantastic. But if you're using the label to say, oh, yes, this is definitely an angel,

and then you're getting in the most insanely stupid arguments over that, then it's a bit of a waste of time. But if you have an experience, for example, I don't know, you smoke DMT, and you come into contact with a self-transforming machine elves, as Terrence McKenna called it. In hyperspace. In hyperspace, right? So is that really what those things call themselves, if they could? No, of course not.

But as a tool or a means of trying to in some way bring the transcendent into this dimension, then language is a necessity. You have no choice. Well, not just that, but in McKenna's case, it was part of the grand theater of being someone who is a DMT evangelist. I mean, part of his art of what he is, is a performer. Like I'm a big fan of his lectures. I enjoyed watching him talk. I enjoyed listening to him talk. But part of what he was doing was very entertaining. He had this oddly soothing voice, this brilliant vocabulary. And one of the things he did in one of these interviews that he did, he was not interviews rather, he used to do Q&As with the audience and ask them questions about psychedelic drugs and things along those lines. someone was asking him something and he said, you know, they were like,

well, what can you do and how do you differentiate and how do you keep from being arrested? He goes, well, no, I use big words, you know,

and he's a, he's a legitimate scholar. And he's like, if you come up with slogans like dropout, tune in, like the turn on dropout. Yeah. He goes,

that's when they come. And he goes, i keep it low key i have these small meetings they rarely get over a thousand people and uh i use a lot of really big words and i use the the richest vocabulary for description that i can muster up right it was interesting because like you listen to him and he's obviously like incredibly well educated right and incredibly knowledgeable about the actual physical compounds of all these different psychedelics and their mechanisms for interaction and the monoamine oxidase inhibitors and all these different things that he's saying. It causes people who are not that smart to go, okay, I don't know what he's saying. We let them go?

Let them keep talking? Yeah. What do we do here? I hope to God they don't care that much about people talking about that stuff, man. It's not they. I don't believe there's a they. I really don't. There's a few people that are they, but those few people that are they, they're bankers and they're industrialists and they're the military industrial complex, the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources.

military industrial complex, the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources, if you really think that they are somehow or another actively trying to capture people that are talking openly about psychedelics, they don't have time for that shit. By the way- I really don't think they do. Have you seen the video of Tim Leary in front of the Senate at a hearing? That was like 1960, what was it? I want to say it was like- don't know the year it's one of the funniest fucking things ever though bizarre because he's a madman and he's in front of these

like just hardcore politicians talking about the lsd experience do you think we'll get pulled off youtube if we play that i think that's public fucking don't we own that because it's a it should it should be the it'd be a historical thing seems like there's a amount of time that things have to right i don't know if it's like video i guess it depends on who filmed it like if it's a tv station filmed it it's theirs but if it's like the government filming it right i mean i i don't know for sure like i i don't know you've seen video of it yeah there's definitely video footage i'm looking for it's on it there's a documentary right now called dying to know which is an amazing movie about um ram das and timothy leary's friendship and it sort of follows the scope of uh their lives together it's amazing it's fucking well well shot but it's

really but it's it's on there i'm surprised it's not um not anyways another question before i forget this again this is another thing i want to talk about earlier when you know the fermi paradox you know the yes what where are all the aliens if civilization is so likely yes do you think looking at all this virtual reality, and this is something I explored, I did a single podcast the other day with just me answering questions. Cool.

And somebody asked about the Fermi Paradox, and it really made me think about it even more, and I've been thinking about it since then. Do you think it's possible that civilizations never get to travel through space because they get to this thing? They realize that the real juice is in virtual. Why do you have to physically traverse between one galaxy to another when you could figure out a way through technology and

ultimately through artificial intelligence creating infinitely more complex artificial reality yeah that we're going to never travel that all of our travel is going to be done internally well yeah i i do i think that that that is a great response to the Fermi paradox. And I think that our addiction to the idea that we are our body is going to be something that fades away over time and that we stop having this concept that I'm localized in my that my visit, you know, we live in a world where people believe that all they are is their body. They think I am my physical body. That's it. That's what I am. That's the sum total of me inside, outside, inside body, outside everything else. Even though what

we were talking about earlier, we know that we're inextricably woven in to the fabric of every single thing. So really, your body is one part of the infinite universe. And right now, you have become completely fixated on it. You think it's you. So VR, you put VR on. First thing that happens, which is one of my favorite things, is you'll hold your hand up in front of your face, right? Right.

And if you have the HTC Vive, you'll see their amazing controllers just floating in the air. But then you'll look down. There's no fucking body there, man. You're looking down and it's just a blank space. You don't have a body anymore. Now, when someone touches you in VR, it's really fucking cool because you don't see them. It's like a ghost is touching you. and I'm not saying I've done this But if you were to have sex in VR

You've done it never Joe. I will never have sex out of wedlock But if you were to have sex in VR then suddenly you don't have a body anymore Okay, but you're having sex in VR with another person Yeah with another person you have physical sex with Yeah, with another person. So you have physical sex with someone, and what do you see on the other side? It depends on what you decide to be having sex in. So you could have sex with your girlfriend and

pretend it's like the Cookie Monster. You could have sex with your girlfriend and just be laying in some field looking up at the stars. You could have the Cookie Monster's feet up in the air like Bugs Bunny, and you're banging in the ass. Here's what's weird, man. This is what's really weird. And no one understands it.

But with VR, apparently people have tried it for some reason. They can't do that. There's no way to bring the Cookie Monster to fuck the Cookie Monster in VR. Put a man on the moon, we could fuck the Cookie Monster. Absolutely, man. You could do that.

You could definitely do that. But it's kind of like something about the philosophical implication of not having a body, even if it's being induced by technology. I'm sure you've taken a high enough dose of something where you merge into the universe and you feel like you don't have a self anymore you've just become so to imagine being able to induce that with vr so that now you've removed the thing that you've been identifying with your entire life your body is yourself and there's just a blank space yet consciousness remains even though you know you have a body under when you take the goggles off you know it's there as time passes when you're wearing this shit you begin to forget about there you begin to forget about the external world and when you finally do take the goggles off it's like oh oh fuck

oh right this is my office this is my office that's the same thing that happens in some ways when you get in the tank when you're in the tank. When you're in the tank with no VR technology, you sometimes have experiences where you go into like a dream state and you think things are happening that aren't really happening. And then you wake up out of them and you're in the tank. And they happen in a crazy vivid way because you don't have any sensory input. You're not feeling like if you have a dream, you're still feeling the bed. Most of the time, like, you're out of that stage and you're in this dream dimension. But if for some reason you moved a little bit and you hit your pillow or your foot touched the nightstand or something like that, you're going to snap out of it. When you're in that goddamn tank, you don't feel anything.

Yeah. You're flying through space already. That's it. So you can almost, like, use that as a homemade virtual reality thing but absolutely but the ability to program is where things get squirrely yeah the ability to create any sort of scenario you would like yeah it's the best it's gonna have so many therapeutic uses what haptic feedback yeah man it's it's like haptic so like you know one impossible end result could be full-bodied haptic suits in float tanks yeah in the float tank oh my god i just came

well yeah it's it's one it's one of the potential uses of the thing i mean fuck yeah all the there's just so much like just there's just so much it's going to be able to that's going to have i mean one thing i really hope people do is um and i was thinking about doing this man but like i always think about doing things like this i never do it so maybe one of you guys out there i'll do it is like bringing this shit to old senior citizens homes and letting people who haven't experienced it who who are maybe, like, not going to be in this dimension much longer, have a chance to, like, see what's going on. Because I think it would be a great service for people. People who are, like, paraplegics in hospitals, to bring this technology to them and to let them experience, you know, the freedom for a little while of the confines of their hospital rooms. There's so many weirdly anti-vr people man really yeah did people are you encountering them i haven't seen anybody dude i was at a well you know people are like oh vr i've already heard

that like you know it's gonna it's gonna fight it's like uh then it's like 3d tv that kind of shit people have been saying this to you? It's just some dick at a party. There's no point talking about it. Maybe that guy was trying to impress a girl. There was no girl around. Maybe he's trying to fuck you. I fucked him.

Okay. Did you tell him virtual reality is really a piece of shit? You think he was negging me? He was trying to like, yeah, he's probably trying to prod you. Or he didn't like the fact you're smarter than him. I don't know if I was but I'll tell you it's going to be one of the most powerful therapeutic

tools that's ever existed what it's going to be able to do you hear about there was a great I think it was a Vice article I can't remember which article about a guy who has to program the music that people listen to during the mushroom studies that they're doing. Like,

what playlist do you play for someone who's undergoing psychedelic therapy, right? But for this tool for psychedelic therapy, like the ability to, there's a program, oh my God, when you come over, I can't wait to show you this. It's called sound self, sound self. And what it is, is you put these goggles on and headphones that have a microphone on and you chant into the thing, right? So you're like, Oh, and it, it, it takes, that's it. I mean, again, this stuff is, it takes that's it i mean again this stuff is it takes that responds to your the sounds you're making and then plays it back through your headphones so you hear your voice being transformed and replaced as like deeper or lower it's just very psychedelic and you're watching the

images while you're hearing your voice that's being altered it's like you're doing rounds how many people are going to be saying that what's this guy's video so we can get him some views what does it say oculus rift game sound self virtual reality guinea pig review yeah it's so cool god damn that and that's something if if you if you guys out there have any... Oh my God, look at that. It looks like a tool video. Yeah, let's explain what we're watching. What we're watching is these crazy three-dimensional computer animations that look like psychedelic trips.

It looks almost like a gateway, not DMT itself, but like a gateway to DMT, like right before you blow through. Like there's a moment where you see, I think what they describe as the flower of life before you blast on through to the other side. Now, for those of you who have an HTC Vive, if you want to use this game, you can pay for the Alpha. It's $30. It's goggles with eyeballs. And then you've got to use something called the Re. It's $30. It's got goggles with eyeballs.

And then you've got to use something called the ReVive injector to get it to run. Anyone who has a Vive out there will know what I'm talking about. What is the difference between Oculus Rift and a Vive? So, unfortunately, Oculus has made a bunch of deals with the developers to make exclusive content for the Oculus right and Oculus is great it's really cool but that was Oculus that was Oculus but it's not as good as the Vive for a few different reasons

one of the reasons is the Vive is designed for being able to walk around the Vive comes with these and maybe the Rift you can do it but it seems like it's more localized but the and so forgive me by the way able to walk around. The Vive comes with these and maybe the Rift you can do it, but it seems like it's more localized. So forgive me. By the way, Oculus Rift people, I love you. Carmack's coming on soon. I had the

DK1, I had the DK2. You know John Carmack from id Software? Yes. He's involved in Oculus Rift now. Oculus is great and God bless you guys for making VR possible because they were the ones. Palmer Lucky ran with his fucking torch. He like made this fucking happen. The only problem is that Oculus released without controllers like

Vive has, right? And that was a big mistake. So that boxing thing that we saw that was Vive. That was Vive. But Oculus is releasing controllers now. And honestly, now that I'm getting so sucked into VR, I've actually considered buying an Oculus Rift just so I have both. But you don't really need it because you can use something called Re-Vive, which allows you to play Oculus games on the HTC Vive. You're so deep in this, man. It's weird to see. It's the coolest fucking thing, Jeff. This is the same Duncan that was terrified of EverQuest and World of Warcraft and all that other shit that you got sucked same duncan that was terrified of everquest and world

of warcraft and all that other shit that you got sucked into you're not terrified of this you're you're just whole hog diving right in here it feels right i love that expression it feels like the right thing it feels like and it's cool i'll tell you man by the way there's not a lot of people right now who have vr gear and there's just some kind of like exciting thing about ground floor ground floor and being like oh my god this is gonna change the world let's do a podcast um from your place let's do your podcast this friday duncan and i are doing the ice house in pasadena on friday night we're doing the eight o'clock show sold out sorry um but we're gonna

do we'll do a podcast from your house and we'll do it with me experiencing your vr for the first time and we'll get barbecued we'll try two things we were so high before the show i was worried if i was gonna be able to pull this off man that breath spray ain't playing, I was worried if I was going to be able to pull this off. Man, that breath spray ain't playing around. I was worried. I was worried. I was like, oh no, I'm too gone. I don't know if I can handle this one. Dude, I did a podcast with Sam Harris and I took 12 shots of the breath spray before the podcast.

Jesus. I wanted to see what would happen. And I kept going and halfway into the podcast i was like oh my god it was like i was skiing down a hill like i was on a black diamond ski course i was i was up and i was moving and i was conscious and i knew just keep just keep paying attention to the road left and right and left and right you're gonna you're gonna make it you're gonna make it you'll make it where do you get jombo from is it don't say the name out loud. Really? Yeah, yeah. It's a girl who has no name.

I'm sorry. A girl who has no name. She doesn't, but I... You don't want to say it three times like Candyman in front of the mirror. We'll talk later. Friday night, you motherfuckers. So we'll be doing an episode of

the Duncan Trussell Family Hour thanks Joe we'll be at the Ice House my pleasure my brother I always love doing these we need to do these more often you know

we're really good friends but we see each other and get deeper with each other during these podcasts than we ever do in real life I know

because if we were in real life we would be talking to other people we'd be looking at our phones we'd be doing some other shit we'd be eating I love people. We'd be looking at our phones. We'd be doing some other shit.

We'd be eating. I love these moments, Joe. They're some of the happiest moments of my life. So I'm so grateful you let me be on the show from time to time. I'm grateful that you're on it, man. But what I wanted to say was it's a fascinating thing because I never would have imagined that we would get to know each other better and deeper and more intensely by doing podcasts together where the whole world could hear it. I mean, you and I have had some crazy fucking conversations

alone, in private, just you and I just talking about stuff for hours and hours. But there's something crazy about doing these like this. We're doing them live and then we're putting them out. They're fascinating, man. We've got to do it more often. Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna.

All right, we'll be back tomorrow with Wayne Fetterman, my friend. Wayne Fetterman, very funny stand-up comic. Neil Brennan's coming. It looked like it was going to be Gary Johnson and Stan Hope on Thursday, but Gary Johnson might have to pull out. He got to fly in to Wednesday.

He's doing a town hall meeting on CNN, which is big news because he's a third-party candidate. That's what happens when people get sick of the two parties. All right. But we'll be back soon. See you. Bye-bye. Bye.