The Joe Rogan Experience - #832 - Vinny Shoreman

Episode Date: August 10, 2016

Vinny Shoreman is a mind coach and kickboxing & muay thai commentator and coach.

We're live. That always sounds so fake. It's always hard to get these things started. It's always hard to just start talking. Not hard, but... Well, I'm learning from you that the way you define things in your own mind... It's all about the language. It's all about the language you use. Yeah, the way you define things can oftentimes shape exactly how those things manifest themselves in real life, right? Yeah, you say more about yourself than what you actually know. That's where mind coaching comes in. You say more about yourself? Yeah, well, you give away a lot.

Sometimes it doesn't make sense. They're talking about something and they're saying that they're really positive about something and then you think, well, that doesn't match up. It's a bit like a barking pig. Pigs don't bark, so it just doesn't make up. So it's a bit like a barking pig. Pigs don't bark. So it just doesn't make sense. That's how I define it anyway. A barking pig.

A barking pig. That one I had to throw through the filter. I'm like, huh? What the fuck is she talking about? Magic mushroom days, I'm afraid. Yeah. It's a very interesting thing we just did. We just did something called timeline therapy that you were telling me about, that Joe Schilling told me about. Ian McCall got really interested in it.

And for folks who've never heard of Vinny before, Vinny's been on the podcast before. Vinny's a mental coach and a hypnotist. And before our first session, the last time you came on the podcast, I was like, I don't know about all this hypnotist stuff. Maybe it was just a bunch of fucking crazy people and people talked to them. I mean, you for sure have seen those televangelists that put their hands on people and they go into spasms and they fall down the floor and they claim to be curative illnesses. Yeah, that's hysteria, isn't it?

What is that? It's bollocks. It's bollocks that's um hysteria isn't it what is that he's bollocks it's bollocks it's bullshit but is it or is it something going on with some of those people it is a hypnotic state doesn't mean that it's it's a positive one but it is a hypnotic state they get this anyone that does i've been on a couple of podcasts now i went on a two with ian mccall the dash radio and i went on two with Ian McCall, Dash Radio. And I went on his story time with Uncle Creepy. And the first thing out of their interview is set. Obviously, because you did hypnosis.

Oh, we're going to, you know, I can't be hypnotized. Well, fine. That's all right. You know what I mean? People love to say that, don't they, though? I don't care. I can't be hypnotized, bro. Can't get me, bro.

Well, I don't care. Fine. You know what I mean? I think we may have discussed this the last time, but we may not have. I think stand-up comedy is hypnosis. Of course it is. You think so? You know what everything is.

How do you know you're not in a hypnotic state listening to you? How do you get in a hypnotic state not listening to music, TV, having a bath, shower, rituals, whatever? So do you think that the term hypnotic is problematic because people think that it takes away control from you and it puts you into this netherworld or something like that well it can do but all hypnosis is self hypnosis so you do it yourself i only guide it i'm only a postman of information as my first teacher said keith mayer um who works at liverpool football club great guy he said that we're only postman of information so we just guide the way and show the person which way to go, you know? I don't do it for that. I said last time, I don't do it for all that.

Look at him eating an onion. I don't like that. I mean, it's fine if you want to go to a show and you want to get involved in that and, hey, great. You want to have sex with a chair or whatever, that's okay. For me, yeah, I don't do it for that. What do you do it for? I do it because I like people succeeding.

I know it sounds cliche and very hippie, but I love it. I like people doing well. I like it's some sort of weird noble side of me, really, I think, when people conquer fear, when people conquer something. I think there's nothing better than that. Well, I think one of the things that we talked about when we were doing the timeline i was talking about some of my experiences when i was younger that have kind of like clung to me unfortunately or fortunately and and you know you were you were talking about your own and i think that when you've had some bad experiences in your life

and when you've had uh some things in your mind that stand out as very memorable moments and points in your life. Those things can kind of, they don't just define you, but they also can set you up for the future, like how you think about other people or how you think about other things. Yeah, it shapes your life completely. And having these bad moments and realizing what they were and how they defined you now gives you motivation to help other people get over their bad moments yeah it's just with timeline therapy which is devised by um

tad james and a um a very very successful guy tad james company my teacher worked for them directly colin mckay so i'm a direct ascendant really of that. The technique is amazing. I mean, I love it and I said to you earlier, I believe everyone in the world should do it. That's not a sales pitch, by the way. That's just my opinion. I just think it's fabulous. People have things going on.

Let's say you've got an iPhone 6 or an iPhone or whatever. If you don't, the apps keep playing over and over again. If they're still going on, they're going to take some sort of toll on you when you shut them down and think, well, actually, it shuts it down. You save your battery, your memory, and it shapes your life. You know what? I've been saying that for a while. It turns out it doesn't.

Somebody just tweeted me. I've been fooled. Yeah. It's not like a computer where a computer constantly has these things running in the background and it's using up resources and battery power. Apparently with phones it does not do that. Well, like a defragmentation. You run all the computers and you defrag it. That then instead.

So that's my app thing gone now, isn't it? I wasn't enjoying that. I did too. I used to use that as an example. But some dude who actually knows what he's talking about corrected me. Well, just ignore him then. No, we cannot. We must plow forward and accept our defeat that's

it no yeah that's it oh it's ruined yeah um but i think that you know your um your own personal experiences is it's one of the reasons why you've become a coach not just a mind coach but a martial arts coach and that these experiences of negative moments in your life where you've overcome them and you realize that i can help someone else who is in that sort of same situation yeah of course it's yeah it's just like it's just it's nice to just say it's it's not that important you know people believe that these sometimes i mean god there is problems that are massive you know i'm not gonna lie and some things i can't solve you know i'm not i'm not moses right but um there is there is things that you know if you can

help somebody out and they can get rid of it or change the way they think i.e joe shilling when he did time my therapy his relationship with his dad was miles better before he passed away isn't that pretty powerful yeah joe talked about it on the podcast he talked about it just it completely changed his whole perception of his relationship with his dad, who his dad was in his life, and just he let it all go. It just helped him tremendously. What more can you say than that, really, as a coach? I mean, Ian McCall has said, you know, I know that he didn't get his fight with Justin Scoggins and that

because of the weight, whatever. And Ian was saying that his life has changed since doing time-line therapy and doing work with me, not just time-line therapy and not just hypnosis with mind coaching in general because it's multifaceted really. And he said his life's changed. He's a different person. People have noticed. So that's, for me, great news.

I think sometimes it just takes the realization of what's been fucking with you. Once you realize what it is, then you have it in your mind and then you can kind of look at it for what it really is instead of this thing that's playing in the background that you can't quite identify, or you know it exists, but you ignore it, and you don't ever get over it. Yeah.

It's interesting. I had a client the other week called Joyce. She's 80 years of age, and she was going to a wedding in spain for her grandson and she was beside herself she was terrified you know we did just a few things you know a little things to make her consider different ways of looking at the anxiety she was getting because anxiety is basically a message through your unconscious mind is to focus on what you want because if you're in an anxious state you're focusing on what you don't want right

there's different levels of it of course which you're focusing on what you don't want. Right. There's different levels of it, of course. She was focusing on what may go wrong instead of saying, oh, we're going to a wedding, it's a celebration of two people's matrimony, whatever, and it's going to be nice, and da-da-da-da.

She wasn't focused on that. She was focused on something else. I changed that, and she was happy, and she went to the wedding, and it's good. I mean, she's 80 years of age. She may not be going to loads of weddings,

let's be honest. Right. But for me me the job itself it what can you say about that it's it transforms people you know and i i adore it no i know you do i really you really it it comes out of you when you do it you really do love it um i it's it seems to me that human beings don't really live long enough to figure out what this is you know I think that is one of the major problems that a lot of us have we have a certain amount of momentum that comes from our childhood whether it's good or bad and we follow that momentum into our adulthood sometimes trying to hit the brakes sometimes trying to hit the brakes, sometimes trying to correct the course, and oftentimes using things like alcohol or drugs or gambling

or anything to distract us from the pain of whatever the instability, whatever it is that's fucking with us. And then you get to be a certain age, and you realize, like, I'm barely figuring this thing out, and I'm almost dead. Yeah. Well, you know, the worst thing is what what you know sat in an old people's home in your own piss yeah I know we should do more yeah you know you definitely don't want that but you also you you I think well there's a there's a

big thing that people always talk about like living in the moment it is a very it's a very difficult thing to do for some strange reason yeah of course it is yeah because you you know you you're worrying about tomorrow aren't you are you worrying about later on or you're worried about yesterday or you're worried about yesterday you're worried about last year indeed and that's that's where you know i'm not going to pretend to walk in a cloud you know and and try and come in with all these long like statements and write these things you know right because i think it's no one does well that's a problem llama doesn't but that's a problem with

religion right with religion that one of the bigger issues is that the people that are sort of proselytizing or the people that are promoting it they're in some ways many of them especially priests and things along those lines which is why it's so disappointing when you hear about child sex abuse amongst priests. They're pretending to be something holy and special and above you, which is why they can bestow this knowledge upon you. They're talking directly from God. We're all peasants in this weird exchange. Yeah. They're not conduits, are they?

Right. I think you get delusions of grandeur i think a lot of people do you know and i've met you know i've met you and i'm a fan of yours and i really enjoy that i think i like i said before you never had wim hof who i love you know russell brand brilliant you know and dr ronda patrick and joe and ian and you know that you know the companion and all the fighters' companion. And I love that. Do you know what I mean?

I like it the way that you're normal. And I don't think, who gives us the right to try and walk on water? Yeah, I'm well known. I've been spotted a few times because of your show, even in Thailand and that. But I still wouldn't be any different. Right. Well, you especially because you're so aware of these traps that the mind sets. It is a weird dance that we do in this life.

We're trying to sort of manage the mind and figure out what it is that's holding you back or helping you or, you know, just sort of guide yourself through this existence. Yeah. Nine times out of ten, your unconscious mind is trying to help you. But people decipher it wrongly. I think it's the language that your mind speaks or getting to understand it to move away from chaos. Like I said, we're going to do a technique, if that's all right. Just warn everybody not to be driving when doing this or operating any machinery. We're going to do a technique, folks. Just drop in.

Everybody relax. So it's, you know, and I want to share that because, you know, chaos, it's not easy. Life isn't easy. Life isn't easy. You get all sorts. It's easy in bursts. In bursts, exactly. You know, you can be going along and all of a sudden you get side-swiped by something, you know what I mean, and can, you know, knock you for six.

But, you know, it's about trying to calm the chaos down and, you know, and just get your mind to settle and give yourself even a few moments of peace. Even a few moments of peace in the day would be beneficial to everybody, I think. That's what I think anyway, my opinion. No, I agree. Follow what it's worth. I agree. I think we could all use some peace and reflection. That's a big thing.

Yeah. And I think like many of us are in a lot of ways are a prisoner of doubt and fear. Yeah. Those are those are two big factors in a lot of people's lives. And a lot of people's response to doubt and fear is to not do anything to not take any chances to try to live safe to try to live like very a very controlled and simple existence but then you miss out on experiences nothing to look back on is that you also miss out on the the there's like just living life without fear doesn't mean there's not going to be moments where you're scared and taking chances. Because those moments when you do take chances or you do something new, and it could be as simple as like being a 50-year-old man starting jujitsu or a 50-year-old woman, you know, starting a martial arts class or something like that. I can't believe I'm doing this. 50-year-old woman, you know, starting a martial arts class or something like that. I can't believe I'm doing this.

But those moments where you put yourself into vulnerable positions can be very beneficial for you. So it's not a matter of avoiding everything that causes you fear. It's a matter of embracing the uncertainty of life and trying to experience it with as much positivity and as much openness and as much with as least resistance as possible. Yeah. Everything was new once. Yeah. So, you know, everyone's done something, learned something the first time the first time. If that makes sense.

Yeah. You know, and for me, so what people don't understand is there are massive, massive amount of successes you've had in your life that you thought was impossible. Tying your lace, riding a bike, for me driving, that was awful. Driving? Why? I don't know. I was just one of those things that got into my head that I was rubbish at it. My dad didn't have a car, my mum didn't have a car.

I love rubbish. I love that expression in the British news. Rubbish old boy. I was rubbish at it. And so I had to basically do it because I lived far away from my kids and now I can drive. And it was something I had to really push myself to do.

But I think we're all a collection of successes. Trying your lace, writing the date right, you know, or telling the time. You know, there's loads of things, but we're too busy kicking the shit out of ourselves about what we've done wrong. You know, for me, when I watched Holly Holm fight last time, when she fought, she looked shell-shocked.

And that's my opinion. She looked shell-shocked. Do you think she was perhaps shell-shocked by the loss to Misha Tate and then jumping right back into the octagon? Or do you think that she was fighting a very, very difficult opponent? Both. Because Valentina Shevchenko, the woman who she fought,

is one of the most experienced strikers in all of MMA, period. Well, her sister was on Infusion Season 6 with us in Thailand. She's from Peru. I think she lives in Peru. She's Russian. I understand that, but she still think she lives in Peru. She lives in Peru. She's Russian. I understand that, but she still looks shell-shocked. Yes.

Do you know what I mean? And I think that's, it's part of the process. I mean, I think a lot of gyms, because it's macho, because it's fighting, and yeah, you'd be all right, and patting on the back,

you'd be all right. You did great today. If you have that, I deem it like this. It's like you're doing a whitewash and you put all your whites in and then you put your whites in. I've done my strength and conditioning. Right, I've got my diet right.

I'm on point for my weight, blah, blah, blah. My coach says my BJJ is great or whatever or boxing or whatever. Or even if it's not sport, you know, your boss or whatever. And then all of a sudden you put one red sock in your wash. Everything goes pink. So that little thought that can infect you. So you say, a sudden you put one red sock in and you wash. Everything goes pink. So that little thought that can infect you. So you say,

oh, you might sit there. The loneliest places, I think, fight someone and lost are in the changing rooms. I think that's my opinion of fighters. They lose in the changing rooms.

They have one sort of negative thought. The mind whispers something. It becomes a shout and all of a sudden you drag it with you. Well, fights can be lost. Yeah. But no matter how positive you're thinking is fighting anderson silva and you're in his prime

yeah you're probably fucked yeah there is that that's why i said it's not a guarantee using a mind code isn't a guarantee you're gonna win right for me it's more help a strong condition is not gonna make you win but it's a massive help. Yeah, of course it is. I mean, I know the benefit of it. You know the benefit of it because you did a little bit of hypnosis. Joe's in the benefit of it in his life as well as in his fighting. Liam Harrison, who's a good friend of mine,

Jordan Watson, and other people that I've worked with and other people that I'll work with in the future. It does give you a band of nerves and self-doubt. It's a massive hole in your boat if you're going to do something where you have to have confidence. For everything in life. Yes, indeed.

That's one of the things that I like about fighting is that it's so condensed. It's a very extreme situation. It's sort of like problem-solving condensed to one of the most intense versions of it that we possibly can experience other than war yeah war probably being the most intense version of problem solving yeah but it's you're presenting with all these incredibly difficult challenges and you have to figure your way through it yeah and with a poor mindset or a faulty mind that you're you're you're it's like having a flat tire or having bad brakes it's like you're traveling in a very precarious way it's you you have a lot of holes in whatever method of

distribution that your thoughts and your actions are are passing through you know your your system your system of life like who you are the way you think about things, the way you think about yourself, the way you think about other people, like that shapes all the results. All the interactions that you have with people are shaped. Like how many of these interactions would be completely different with a more calm police officer or a person who's better at handling people? And how many of them are shaped by someone who's just not that smart or too authoritarian or doesn't know how to read people well or doesn't know how to broach a conversation well? Or dealing with something in their own mind. Yes. So dealing with something in their own mind. Yes. So dealing with something in their own mind. Like we talked about Limitless, didn't we? The movie where Bradley Cooper first takes the pill and he's talking to the Chinese lady on the top of the stairs.

I think she's his landlady or something. She's going bananas. She's going bananas at him, you know, talking rubbish. And she's giving him lots of grief and blah, blah, blah. But behind it all is something that was upsetting her. Now, that's what you come across a lot in Timeline or in anything, really. They're actually taught. They're not really taught.

People are not their behaviors, as is a cliched NLP chat. But people are not their behaviors. NLP, neurolinguistic programming. Neurolinguistic programming, yeah. What is that about? That's Anthony Robbins, right? Yeah, Anthony Robbins and John Grinder and Richard Bandler were the first people to do it. They modeled a hypnotherapist called Milton Erickson, and they used Milton Erickson language.

Milton Erickson was a very, very good hypnotherapist and a very, very clever man indeed. So, yeah, and some of that, I use some of that. Some of it I don't, you know. But as you get anything, you understand this. You know, you do your podcast and as you get more and more into it, you get a feel of it and that's what you do with my job, with the mind coaches. You get a feel of it.

I don't always use hypnosis. I do use hypnosis, but not always because it's not always necessary. It's getting people thinking, reframing something. Have've thought of it like that and move that out the way and that's that changes people's opinions and can have massive effects on them so the more people you interact with the more people you apply these techniques to the better your understanding of how these techniques work yeah or the better understanding of people yeah i think you've got to be able to talk to people as well doing this job. I think you've got to be able to... I'm not saying I massively know loads of stuff,

but I know little bits about things, you know, and I don't pretend to know about a lot of things. But it's just about being able to communicate with people and actually get them, you know, actually get them. People pretty much want the same things, you know what I mean? Everyone wants to live life as as as exciting or or as easy as possible you know you know you've and it's like as like i said before it's just about language it's just about deciphering the language what they're actually talking and not even really as easy as possible because a lot of people

want a life full of adventure but what they don't want to do is trip over themselves yeah like if you have a difficulty and say if you're going to climb a mountain right i would think that climbing a mountain is difficult enough yeah it's hard you have to figure out what way to grip you have to have strong hands and strong feet you have to have an overall awareness of your body and balance and you have to be physically fit enough to be able to pull yourself and climb up this mountain if you're paralyzed with fear if you are consumed with self-doubt if you're overrun with guilt if your body is just dealing with the minds, all the haunts of your past, that compounds whatever difficulty and it makes it way worse. Yeah, well, that's where people come to me after fights and they talk about the last fight.

They're still involved in it. Yes. They don't take the positives from it. I know it's like, take the positives and you blah, blah, you know but i mean it's hard to say well it's hard to do rather you see a lot of things are easy to say in order to do yeah you know what i mean let's go to the moon right busy you know what i mean it's it and so it's just for me it's like just just getting the the person just to sometimes forget something you know i mean and just move on and write, okay, what did you learn? I learned this, this and this.

Well, that's the point. That's what we, you know, when we was doing timeline therapy, you know, there was things you learn from that situation that has got you here, got you the UFC commentary, successful stand-up and all that. It's got you where you've got because of them things that molded you. Some people do get consumed by fear, which is why I like to change.

You know, I like to change that. Yeah, there's a big problem that a lot of people have where they define themselves by their past. They look at their past. They don't think they could ever grow from that. They think, that is who I am. I'm that loser. I'm the guy who crashed his car. I'm that that you know whatever it was that yeah my mom and dad never did it so therefore you know like money is the root of all evil or if you have money you're

this or you know you know you have to tread on people to be a success it's bullshit it's just cliche sayings that just pop up from nowhere yeah that's a real weird one that comes up a lot, almost like it's impossible to be successful and altruistic, that money is acquired only by stepping on other people and fucking over people. And anybody that's really big in business, like I read that once from someone who's actually a very smart person. It said, show me someone who's really good in business and I guarantee you they fuck someone over.

And I'm like, that is a scapegoat's that's a scapegoat for your own financial failure of course it is i think the more money you get the more money you have the more people you can help there's that for sure there's more opportunity for sure you make yeah and i just that's what i believe i don't believe in and i think it's cliched i think about money is to just to keep people down i think that's that existed you know what i mean is language to keep people down to keep people just there right to keep them in the place well it's also self like self-prescribed too a lot of people do it to themselves no one's doing it to you you just want to you want to give yourself a little excuse for not going after

whatever your goals are or not pursuing whatever interest you actually have and just playing it safe that playing it safe i think a big part of that is what we were talking about earlier is this this need to avoid any further pain yeah you know one thing one thing i'll touch upon is like you're not allowed to like yourself i mean you know you're not allowed to be not a fan of yourself i mean it's all right you gotta have fun and laugh at yourself and not take yourself massively too serious but on the things that you want to be serious you should be supporting yourself less than 100 support is sabotage which is a saying which i believe it's true you know if

you're not supporting yourself you're sabotaging not only you but you're sabotaging everybody else around you and i think people struggle with with that, being all right to themselves. You know, it's so easy to, you know, I'm shit and stupid and ugly and fat, this and this. And it's so easily swallowed that, you know, people become used to it. Right. And I think then they want to be a success. It doesn't make sense. Now, I recently, you know, people that want to fight and then they want to be a success it doesn't make sense now i recently that you know

you know people that want to to fight and then they go i lost my fight and blah blah blah and then you find out what they did onto the run-up oh what did you do oh i got drunk for two weeks before well hello what a fucking surprise you know if you're not living it and if you're not you know getting you know you know really immersing yourself every way, in the language that you speak to yourself and in the way that you do everything else, what do you expect? Your mind's not going to support you if you don't support it. Yeah, that was one of the things that I felt

when John Jones tested positive for cocaine three weeks out of his fight with Daniel Cormier. I was like, ooh, he's not... Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing... I don't know if there's anything wrong with doing cocaine. I just, I don't think it's a positive drug, but some people enjoy it. Some people enjoy drinking. I enjoy drinking.

I don't think that's a positive drug necessarily either. So I don't know because I don't have experience with cocaine, but that's not something you're supposed to be doing three weeks outside of a world title fight with one of the best wrestlers in the sport. One of the most difficultlers in the sport one of the most difficult challenges you've ever faced in your professional career and you're out doing blow just 21 days before that's crazy yeah sometimes the most talented take the gifts that they've been given and just abuse them in a way i met john jones he's um he's different to say the least. In what way? He's just, he was, I don't know, he was kind of, I only met him briefly. Where was it? I met him in Russia at the Legend.

There's a show there. And yeah, he was just, he was very sort of, he was all over the place bouncing around. And I just didn't expect him to be like that. And what do you mean by all over the place bouncing around? He just said to me, hi, blue eyes. I was like, hello. He's massive and dangerous, and I'm not. I was like, hi.

I just found it a bit strange. Did he joke around with you? I just found him different. Let's just say that. I just found him different. I'm trying to read into this and i'm trying to avoid it badly no i i don't know him but i met he was he was different let's put it that way you know but um if if they if someone i don't know you don't know what's going on in his life and you know you don't know what's going on in his life and you could say that about everyone they could say that about a serial killer couldn't you oh we don't know what's going on in his life. You don't know what's going on in his life. And you could say that about everyone.

You could say that about a serial killer, couldn't you? Oh, he don't know what's going on in his life. It's not his fault. You know, really. I mean, there is some things that you shouldn't do. You know he shouldn't be doing it. But there's a reason. If you listen to John's coaches, they will tell you that John surrounds himself with the wrong people.

And John is an extremely talented guy oh amazing like maybe one of the most talented guys to ever compete in the sport yeah and incredibly strong mentally too because despite all of his issues with maybe not preparing as well as he could when the chips are down that guy gets through things he overcomes adversity he's not a Well, he's the one that broke his toe, isn't he? That was horrific. So he's got to end it. But he didn't even realize that was happening. That happened actually in the final flurry where he stopped Shale Sonnen.

A more impressive performance is when he fought Vitor Belfort. Right. Vitor completely hyperextended his arm and he would not tap. Right. You know, it was for his title. Vitor came that close. Was it for the title? I believe it was for his title vitor came that close was it for the title i believe it was it might have been a non-title fight but vitor came find out if that

was a title fight or non-title fight either way vitor came that close to legitimately beating yeah john jones that close got a fully locked in arm bar that would have made 90 of the professional fighters in the world tap well that's what makes him who he is. Yeah. But he couldn't say no to... It was a title fight? Yeah, Jamie just looked it up. But he couldn't say no to some blow. Well, he could say no. He didn't want to say no.

He didn't want to. Exactly. He didn't want to say no. So there's some sort of... I don't know whether it's weakness. I don't know. But there's some sort of weakness in there. But is it weakness or...

That's what I said. I don't know whether it is or whether it's not. It shouldn't be something you should be doing. But it's also indulgence. It's like... But is it weakness? and a lot of hard fights, they have impulse control problems. And those impulse control problems, I'm obviously not a scientist or a doctor, but when you talk to neurologists and neuroscientists, they will tell you that there are direct correlations between head impacts and poor impulse control. It is absolutely a direct impact. And I'm not looking for a scapegoat in my own life, but I've looked back at some of the poor decision making that I've done in my life, particularly in my fighting times like back then.

And I was like, I wonder if a lot of that was getting hit in the head a lot. Like, like it can't be good to get kicked in the head. It's just never good. Not the best. It's just not good. It's just never good. Not the best. It's just not good.

And so if you've been kicked in the head or punched in the face or whatever, any kind of impact. And that's the thing about football players they're saying now is that even a shot to the chest, even getting tackled, like someone rams at you and slams their shoulders into your chest, the brain gets jostled around. You might not have a bruise on your face, but your brain is receiving essentially the same impact as a punch yeah especially with a massive you know it's a shame a lot of people might not like this but it is a shame that Jon Jones has gone like that do you know what I mean because he's got to look back on him

you know what I mean he's got to look back on him and think fuck he's also got to figure out what it is that he took they don't even exactly they what it is that he took. They haven't isolated what he took. But the whole lifestyle, it's most certainly an issue. And it's almost like

one of those things where you say you don't know what you got until it's gone. Well, it was kind of gone for a little while, but not really. He was always still in the mix. And there was always multi-million dollar fights awaiting. And then he fought over in St. Preux, so he's back in the mix, and everything's looking good. He's slated to fight at UFC 200 against Daniel Cormier. He's going to make like 10 million bucks.

It's going to be giant, and then whoosh. It's gone for something that if you talk to people that are experts in performance enhancing drugs, they'll tell you that this clomiphene is what he got popped for, which is an anti-estrogen supplement. That's not even beneficial. The only time that stuff's beneficial is essentially when you're coming off of steroids. But yet he didn't test positive for steroids before or after. So it could have been a tainted supplement. It could have been a mistake.

It could have been who knows what wacky shit he was taking. I mean, I don't know. I just think that, you know, people forget that sometimes you've still got to have guidance. You know, you've still got to have a guide to just say, look, is that the best thing you should be doing? Or someone to talk to, you know what I mean? It's not going to be high-fiving you because you're going to, you know, stick a load of bugle up your nose. Isn't it harder, though, I think, for champions?

Because once they, like, dominate someone and kick someone's ass, like, say if you fight the most difficult fight of your career, you fight, you know, whether it's Daniel Cormier, it is you dominate him you win and a beautiful fashion and then you know you like god damn it I am the fucking man yeah and then you just want to do whatever you want to do after that and it's indulgence and chaos and yeah you did it but it comes to bite you on the ass yeah all the time it does but god damn it is a fucking story that plays itself out over and over and over and over and over and there's a bunch of these distraction stories like the ronda rousey story is ultimately a story of distraction i mean here's this woman who is just a freak right

a completely dominant female ass kicker. Something we've never had before. We had like female fighters before. Like you remember Christy Martin was sort of a... Yeah, yeah. There was like a little bit of it with Layla Ali. People were kind of paying attention to her, but no one was paying attention to anyone

even remotely on the scale of Ronda Rousey. But what happens then? Well, all of a sudden, Hollywood opens up its doors. You start doing movies. You get all these offers. You're the darling of talk shows. You're in fucking commercials all the time. Everybody wants to kiss your ass.

And there's people that are coming up all around you that are assassins. Yeah. And they're not getting all this attention. They're just hungry. They're not like Holly Holm when she fought Ronda was a massive underdog. Meanwhile, she was a 19-time world boxing champion. She was a far more accomplished striker than Ronda.

And Ronda fought the exact wrong fight when you're fighting a 19-time world boxing champion. Whereas Misha Tate fought the exact right fight. Standing outside, barely engage her with strikes. Just push her, push her, but back up. Push her and back up. Push her, constantly move, constantly vary your approach. And then when you get a hold of her, make it count. And she did that in the second round.

And then ultimately she did it in the fifth round and submitted her. And that's what won her the fight. The difference between someone who has everything to gain like that, someone who is hungry, and then the fucking mindset of someone who becomes super successful, like a Mike Tyson in his prime. Yeah, yeah. Like, you just start fucking off.

You start believing that no one's going to beat your ass, and then you fight Buster Douglas with very little training, and he fucking puts that leather to your face and reality hits you when that referee's standing over you counting you realize oh this is happening to me now yeah it must be difficult and it mustn't be easy but fighting is not easy is it no it's definitely not I mean I was talking to somebody yesterday we went out to some Thai restaurant with some friends No, it's definitely not. screaming shit, you're thinking, what are they telling him? You're in the crowd if you're not zoned in properly, and it's not easy. And, you know, when fighters, you know, all of a sudden

they find something, they might not have been the hardest kid at school, they might not have been, you know, the most popular, all of a sudden, you know, after a few fights, it just seems like whack, like John Jones or Rondor, and all of a sudden you're in these loads of money and people are paying you attention that, you know, wouldn't have talked to you at school and stuff like that

it mustn't be easy but nevertheless you've still got I think that you've got to maintain the rules you've got to abide the rules you have to have someone who helps you I think every fighter I shouldn't say every fighter because some kind of

figured it out on their own there's some guys that don't seem to fall into those traps but most fighters can use some sort of guidelines and there's also these facilitators that manifest themselves in your life these people that want to make your life easier so they could be a part of your life so they want to bring over girls they want to bring over booze they want to bring over booze. They want to get you in the club. They want to like, hey, this is that guy that he's going to set everything up for you. I'll take care of it. And what they're doing is these guys are, they get into your life.

And the way they get into your life is by making things easier for you so they could be a part of the Mike Tyson camp or whatever it is. And the next thing you know, you've got this entourage of 20 people hanging around you. And most of them are just fucking idiots. You don't know who they are. And you're paying for their existence. You're funding their existence. And what they do is they hold doors open for you and they check you into hotel rooms. They do all these things that you could do on your own.

They sort of make it easier. And in making it easier, they sort of defined what is okay yeah and then like you know no big deal we're just gonna go party you're gonna fuck this guy up anyway man let's go hit the club and then next thing you know you're out late at night not getting rest your coach is texting you are you in bed you know yeah and you're not because you're hanging around with these fucking klingons and then when you've lost lost, they vanish. They vanish. Yeah. Then you've lost, you vanish,

and then you've got to pick up the pieces. And that's, that's interesting what I'd like to do is I'd like to, people, for me to be able to

hire me, obviously, to be able to talk to them. You know, not just use hypnosis, but to talk to them, this is on my mind, well,

this, this, and this. You know, to put a block on before they do something that's fucking stupid. Do you know what I mean? I'd like to do that.

And I think I'd do that anyway. Do you know what I mean? But it's difficult. It's difficult to make it stick. Yeah. Like, if you have a good idea in your head about, like, you know what I need to do with my life? I need to eat healthy. I need to exercise.

I need to follow my dreams. Okay, good. Right now. That's a good thought right now. need to do with my life? I need to eat healthy. I need to exercise. I need to follow my dreams. Okay, good. Right now. That's a good thought right now. But how do you keep that? How do you make it stick? And that's a big issue with people. They go up and they go down.

I mean, how ridiculous are New Year's resolutions? How many people have come to you after New Year's and they're like, I'm going to lose 50 pounds. I'm going to stop smoking. I'm not going to eat any unhealthy food. And then you see them like a couple weeks later they look great well you're sticking to it that's awesome man

congratulations that's how health clubs make the money isn't it and then five months later they're fat again and they're looking stupid and it's so normal well that's how health clubs

make the money isn't it health clubs go right you join in January you get free January and then you blah blah blah and they go yeah I don't have to have any joining fee

and then they join that's it new go yeah I don't have to have any joining fee and then you join that's it new year new me January the 3rd new me new me new year

new me and then you're just like January the 3rd oh well blah blah blah can't be arsed or I was listening to this half a fleece resistance

I was listening to this TED talk it was a TED podcast it was also a TED talk where they were talking about time and the way people perceive time and the way people perceive time. And the way people perceive time, they always perceive that they are now a finished product. This is like a big thing that people like to do. Now that I'm 30, I got it together.

And then when they're 40, they go, well, when I was 30, I thought I knew something, but now I know things. And they always want to think that they're done growing. But what this podcast was sort of emphasizing is that people are in a constant state of change and evolution. If you're thinking about things, you know, the expression, no one's perfect. It's true. No one is perfect. No one's perfect. It's true. No one is perfect.

So if, in fact, you're not perfect, that means you're considering whatever you've done that maybe you could have done better or maybe you could have handled better or maybe you could have thought about in a better way or a more beneficial way. And then you grow and learn from that experience. Yeah. In a constant state of flux. You know, I'm a different person as I was. I was here nearly spot on a year ago. And I've learned more and changed and had different opinions. And I think if you read anything or you, you know, because we've got YouTube, we've got the likes of you, you know, with Rhonda Patrick and about turmeric. That I learned from listening to you and listening to other people and off Facebook and I got turmeric.

Use a group because they tell you I've got arthritis in my foot, went to the doctors, can't do anything, just have to take paracetamol. What is that? Is your arthritis from kickboxing? Yeah, some ballet dancing or whatever I used to do. You do ballet dancing? No, I was lying. I can't dance. Don't be sad about dancing.

But whatever, anyway. That's a real common one, right, with ankles and stuff. Yeah. And the doctor said, you know, that's it, basically. You take paracetamol. What is paracetamol? Paracetamol is a painkiller. Oh, shit.

So I just thought, you know what, you can't keep taking ibuprofen. I remember you saying to Joe about ibuprofen. It causes inflammation anyway. So I put it on facebook said does anyone get an experienced arthritis one of my friends lee frazer can't praise him enough to be honest thanks lee he said he takes turmeric so i started researching it you'd mentioned it to joe where curcumin curcumin is the active ingredient yeah so i looked on a turmeric user group and then they said this thing about golden paste which is turmeric, black pepper

and coconut oil. You cook it for seven minutes with water, make a paste of it and you look on Facebook, turmeric user group and you basically take that. I've been taking it regularly and there's no pain. No pain whatsoever.

So it's brilliant. It's information. So you grind up the turmeric? No. You're taking it in a supplement form or are you getting it from a root itself? No, you get turmeric. The root. You just get turmeric. Yeah, the powder. Okay. So you know you could buy the root. The root is really common now.

It's really interesting. Not in Liverpool. Not in Liverpool? No? No, not really. Do you have shitty supermarkets over there? I mean, i'm not gonna slag aldi off or anything like that you know but what is aldi it's a supermarket okay slag is another one slag it off talking rubbish so but so no the powder works and you know you just i'm not don't know the actual you know measurements of it but say it's a cup of water half a cup of turmeric you cook it for seven minutes on a low heat until it starts to get into a paste.

You add black pepper, like maybe two teaspoons of it. Why pepper? Because it's an active ingredient. I think it makes it 400 times more absorbable into your body. Really? Yeah. Wow. Black pepper.

Yeah, this thing called pepperine. Huh. Yeah. And why does it have to be cooked? I don't know. Huh. I'm not going to pretend to do it. I could lie. How bad does it have to be cooked? I don't know. Huh. I'm not going to pretend to do it. I couldn't lie.

How bad does it taste when you eat it? Not the best. But the thing is, it's like, what would you rather have? Pain or, oh, that was horrible. Yeah, no, listen, I'm the king of drinking disgusting things. Yeah. I drink a lot of shitty things. But it does work.

A lot of people have tried my kale shake recipe and almost vomited. shitty things um but it does a lot of people have tried my kale shake recipe and almost vomited i have a friend who i have a friend called um nathan wright and his hands he said he couldn't his hands were that bad with with arthritis that he couldn't you know spray deodorant said he stunk and that's his words not mine and then he started taking this turmeric paste and he's fine he's he's come like 80 90 percent better i mean come on do you use fish oil and have you altered your diet me yes yes i do take a lot of fish oil how much do you take um i take two massive tablespoons of it when i'm at home that's great because i've been in the states i i thought i was taking five capsules with water and i was taking uh ubiquinol. What's ubiquinol? Coenzyme Q10, but it's a little bit of a higher level one.

And my friend now, Aaron, has just got this turmeric and arnica Thai oil type stuff called Three Leopards Liniment that I've – you're going to try. I had a massage of it yesterday. Let me clear up your words there. Thai liniment is what've you know, you're going to try and that, I had a massage of it yesterday Let me clear up your words there Thai liniment is what you're saying Yes, it smells the same as Thai oil Well let me explain to people what that is That's a liniment that Thai fighters would use for sore muscles

and things along those lines It smells like wintergreen, you know, menthol and stuff like that, I don't know what's in it Or tiger balm was a big one. Yeah, a bit like that. But it's... What does that stuff do? It's very good.

Arnica gets rid of bruises. I'm not even showing you. Arnica gets rid of bruises and... But how? Does it really work? Well, I've only just started using it, but as far as I'm concerned, I liked it. Look, I have a friend who's a doctor,

and he told me that all that stuff, like Bengay, and I go, oh, that stuff makes you feel better. He goes, it's a topical analgesic. I go,

what does that mean? He goes, it makes your skin red. It makes you feel like a lot is happening. You know, like you had heat there. It feels good. But he goes, in order for that stuff to absorb deeply into your system,

into your, into your, get into your tissue, he's like, it would have to get into your bloodstream, and then it would be toxic. Yeah. And I was like, oh, yeah. It feels good. When you take, like, one of those, some Tiger Balm, I have these patches that I'll put on.

Like, if I have a muscle pull or something like that, I'll put a Tiger Balm patch on it, and somehow or another relaxes it in some sort of a way but it might be psychological that's what the oil does whether it's psychological or not it says i like it it smells nice smells like my normal smell so this um arnica thai liniment stuff yeah your friend uses yeah it's tumeric as well yeah tumeric as well yeah so yeah and he's he's loads of spiel on it, you know, on the bottle. But I'm just one of these people, me, oh, try it. You know, and I had a massage of it yesterday and I feel relaxed. Well, they say that most of the issues that people have, whether even like a lot of diseases, they stem from inflammation.

And a lot of inflammation is caused by diet. It's caused by, you know, just eating bad food and not being healthy. And so your body has this reaction to this food. It's an inflammatory reaction. Yeah. It's certainly not easy when you find out what gives you inflammation and what doesn't. And I think, I don't know, I think it must vary from person to person. Yes, it most certainly does.

It's sensitive to certain things and, you know, different things. But the golden paste, the turmeric thing has worked brilliant for me. I can't praise it enough. That's interesting. And so how quickly did it take, like how long did it take before it was like you were really rock solid with it where you realized that this is really beneficial for you? Honestly, about two days. Two days? Honestly.

That's incredible. And I was really pissed. Are you working for the turmeric industry? I am. I. Honestly, about two days. Two days? Honestly. That's incredible. And I was really pissed. Are you working for the turmeric industry? I am. I was really, yeah, yeah. And you can buy this. No, I was really pissed off because the doctor went, well, there's nothing you can do.

And sometimes you can say to the doctor, I think I've got this, that, and the other, and because they think that you're self-diagnosing, they think, no, you're not. You know, they're sort of like, you know, and so and i just said look you know and she said well it's arthritis you know you just paracetamol and i didn't want that right you know i didn't want that and then when i put on on facebook which is a good tool for sometimes for getting information like the internet is and it worked a treat and then they got into this group and yeah it was brilliant and it's worked for me fantastically well yeah you have to sort of separate the bullshit from the reality

but if you can do that you can definitely find a lot of stuff online and this it's it's confusing to me when doctors dismiss uh dietary solutions yeah you know because very few doctors are really well educated in nutrition yeah and especially educated in the understanding of the mechanisms involved in absorbing nutrients. And what compounds or accentuates nutrition absorption. And what's beneficial. There's so many doctors, they poo-poo it because they don't understand it. They have no knowledge of it well my friend when it went when he took turmeric he went to the doctors and the doctor

was saying you know you can take these uh whatever alloprene all i think it is and he said to him i take this and he and he went oh it's i've stopped having the because he had a regular regular check up he had gout really badly and he went in and then and then the doctor said he said i've been taking turmeric and he said to me he said the doctor said well i have heard of that but it's not been tested turmeric's not been he said he said well i have heard it works but it's not been tested so they're aware i think i think they're aware i don't want to piss on doctors double blind placebo controlled studies from any major university that shows the beneficial effects of turmeric or is it just probably make any money, does it, turmeric?

Well, it should. You know? I mean, it seems like it should, right? I mean, isn't there a massive industry in helping people with inflamed tendons? The problem with those things is you can't control it. Like, if you do a study on, you know, whatever, fill in the blank, Tylenol or something like that. Someone created Tylenol right so if you do a study on tylenol and you so it shows its efficacy yeah then you

can sell more of it yeah but if you do a study on turmeric i'm like great glad thanks for funding the study i'm gonna go sell it now yeah and i'm gonna point to your study and i'm gonna make a ton of money off of your study and i can just grow it in my backyard yeah i mean that's that's the problem with marijuana and it's the and it's a problem with any sort of it's been it's a survey because yes it's like 100 people surveyed i've never been asked about it well it's not we're not talking about surveys we're talking about double-blind placebo-controlled studies on information if they did something along those lines like one of the big issues that's going on with medical marijuana is the pushback from pharmaceutical companies that are trying to stop medical marijuana from becoming legal nationwide. And they've halted, at least delayed, the Supreme Court's changing of the designation from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 2 in this country.

Schedule 1 shows no medicinal value whatsoever. That's where marijuana is meanwhile marijuana is passed as a medical supplement in i don't know how many states now i think it's like 20 and it's legal in four or five states now it's legal in washington dc it's legal in colorado it's legal in washington state it's legal in oregon uh just recreationally yeah so it's obviously there's some benefit of it medically. If all these doctors are prescribing it, it shows massive reduction in tumors with the use of CBD.

It helps control pain. Rick Simpson oil. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible how much benefit there is in this one plant. But yet the pushback from the pharmaceutical industry is still incredibly strong because they don't, I posted something really recently, how much money the pharmaceutical industry is still incredibly strong because they don't. I posted something really recently, how much money the pharmaceutical, there was a chart that showed how much money the pharmaceutical industry stands to lose if medical cannabis is made legal nationwide and readily available.

It's billions of dollars every year they're going to lose. It's billions of dollars every year they're going to lose because all these solutions that they offer, there's better, simpler, and far cheaper solutions with cannabis, especially because it's one of the easiest things to grow. I mean, a lot of people grow their own tomatoes in their backyard and things like that. Like pot, all you do is plant it, throw some water on it. It's done. Not in England. Not in England? It won't grow?

It won't grow unless you get, well, I don why it's rains there all the time yeah well it's not we're not the best weather have we you know what i mean i guarantee you weed will grow in england yeah you would if you had a tent and you had a tent and some some lights and let's try it and film it live yeah and let everybody know getting arrested live how how illegal is pot in England? I think you can get arrested. I don't know. So stupid. I'm not very good with being dangerous.

Meanwhile, everybody's drunk. I've never seen more drunk people in England. Yeah, well, that's it. That's all we do. God damn you people love to drink. It's hilarious. But you're good at it. That's the other thing.

I'm not. I'm rubbish. English people are way better at being drunk. Yeah, I think that I'm rubbish at drinking. You are way better at being drunk yeah i think that i'm rubbish at drinking i'm just oh god yeah awful yeah start crying do you sing cry sing dance hug people yeah hang on too long yeah and just memory loss you know vomit you know the usual the usual stuff that but you know i i don't know with with cannabis and i don't take it but i mean to see what's going on i think believe i believe that there's a cure for everything on the planet

i think we've these loads of stuff that we haven't explored the mind as well i just think there's loads of stuff to explore yet the mind is a fascinating solution to a lot of issues that people have and thinking positive or thinking negative or worry and the stress and we were talking earlier about cortisol and the stress response to literally thinking about something affects your physical health and thinking about things in the wrong way affects your physical health yeah and when we got we got i think we got more things to worry about i think we got more things to worry about. I think we got more things to worry about now, but they're actually not anything to worry about. Does that make sense?

You know, you look at Facebook and you get mad over someone's fucking, an idiot. Some Trump supporter. How dare you? I don't know anything about that. And you start typing something. Why am I doing that? When you get involved in something or you get angry about something, I do it. You know, I'm not going to lie.

And you just think to yourself, what the fuck am I doing? And I think years ago when the caveman was only worried about if they're going to get, something's going to eat them, or they've got to eat something. And I think that might have been easier. Of course, he died of diseases and he may have died younger or whatever. But I mean, I bet they lived a more peaceful life in their own right. They didn't have Facebook, though.

They didn't have Facebook. Or Twitter. They didn't have anything to look at. And they didn't have comments on YouTube, like John Wayne Powell was saying he was getting. He gets mad. Yeah, but I mean, I just, I got the same. I got all, I was called Varys of Game of Thrones,

which I was quite pleased about. I was like, oh, I'll take Lord Varys. He's got no penis. Nothing wrong with that. No, but I just think, you know, I i don't get it some things i don't get i don't get haters i don't understand them but don't you though because when we were talking about all these different things that happen in life that sort of set you up for the next stages of life and define you and and sort of alter and affect your decision-making process

and your behavior process, don't you think that a lot of these people just live very unfortunate existences? And whether it's by chance or whether it's by bad decision-making that has just compounded itself over the years, when you see some of the hateful things that people posted about, let's say, John Wayne Parr, who's the nicest guy. Yeah, indeed. He's a brilliant guy. And multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, incredibly accomplished.

His wife's nice. His kids are great. Fantastic. His kid's so cool. By the way, there's a video of his kid hitting the pads. You want to see something impressive? His kid is fighting. I think she's fighting on the 20th.

20th, Jazzy, yeah. Yeah, Jazzy. yeah. Jazzy. And he sent me this video of her hitting the pads. And you're like, holy shit. She can sing and everything, you know. His son can do flips. Oh, yeah. They're like a ninja family.

Yeah, they're pretty incredible. They're great. His wife was a fighter as well. I went over there and stayed with them. I went to their show. And listen, nothing but respect for John Wayne Pye. He's a lovely, lovely guy. And he's got a great sense of humor as well.

You know, don't take himself too seriously. No, he's very self-deprecating. He's very aware of how good he is, but he's also very self-deprecating. Like, watch this. Let's watch this video. This is her. What happened? What'd you do?

You changed the screens. Did your computer fail? She's in Thailand, and this girl is like, what is she, 10? Yeah, something like that. That's their gym in Australia, in Boonchim. That's their gym. Oh, okay. Oh, there's another one.

There's one that I looked at that was different. It was on YouTube. Oh, she's 13 years old. Okay. But the point is, you know, there's people that hate on this guy, and they're not well. No. Like, they're not happy.

They're not looking at him and going, you fucking loser. They're not, like, finding a reason why he's... They're just trying to find a reason. I got it. I got one about a hypnotherapist saying, oh, he knows nothing. It's like, right, okay. When did you get this? Oh, just one of the comments, you know.

And I was just like... And he was like, yeah, you know nothing about hypnosis. I'm like, right, well, I'm here and you're not. Sorry. What does that mean, you know nothing? You know nothing. You know nothing you know nothing you know nothing about Derren Brown

I've only been to see him three times read all his books and he's an amazing amazing guy and I know that you know what I mean but I just think

you'll get whatever you get whatever you do I deem this like I think Joe Schilling said Jesus was great you'd invite him to a party

you could turn this water into wine you could hey your grandad dead don't worry bing we'll bring him back to life you broke your leg Oh, Schilling said, Jesus was great. You'd invite him to a party. You could turn this water into wine. He could, hey, your granddad dead. Don't worry, bing. We'll bring him back to life. You broke your leg. There you go.

You know, we'll go fishing, catch all the fish. He was a great guy. They still killed him. You know, you're going to get people are going to hate you just because. It's more about them than it is about you. It is more about them than it is about you. That's a big factor with online interaction with people what you're what you're doing is you're interacting with their own past and their own failures yeah and the the vast majority of people in this life are not living fulfilled and happy

existences faceless assassins aren't they the faceless assassins really like snipers of nothingness oh you mean commenters yeah but they're not really faceless assassins, really, like snipers of nothingness. Oh, you mean commenters? Yeah, but they're not really faceless, right? At the end of the day, if you get to who they really are and what's really bothering them, they're no different than you or I. They got a fucked up start in this life and they never recovered. That's what most of it is. You're turning into me.

No, I've always been like this. There's a whole video I did on YouTube, Be the Hero of Your Own Movie. Yeah, I've seen it. It's very good. If you were in a movie, and the movie started right now, and you're a fucking failure, just think about where your life's at,

what would the hero do? What would you do? Have you seen the Idris Elba one? No. My friend Warren Brown works with Idris Elba. He's on a TV show called Luther. See the new 007? Did they make him 007?

A lot of white people are freaking out. I don't care as long as he has vodka, martini, shake and not stir. I don't care what color he is. But he was, yeah, Warren, he works with him. And he's doing a show now for Discovery. And he's training to be a kickboxer. He's going to have a fight. Idris is?

Yes. He's going to fight? Yeah. Who's he fighting? I don't know yet. How old is he? I think he's 42. And he's going to fight? Yeah. Who's he fighting? I don't know yet. How old is he? I think he's 42. And he's going to have his first ever

kickboxing fight? Yeah, my friend Kieran Keddle, he's training him and they've been all over it. It's a show with Discovery. I was meant to be on it and be the mind coach for the show, but I don't know what happened. Is there any video of him training? Not yet. No? See if you can find something, Jamie.

Warren, who was on the show with him. This video, he found it already. How dare you not yet me?? See if you can find something, Jamie. Warren, who was on the show with him. His video. He found it already. Oh, right. Have you got it yet? How dare you not yet me? I'm sorry. Here he is. Let me see. Oh, Jesus. That's Daniel Sam as well from England. Not bad. A little stiff.

It's hard to see. Oh, it's terrible. Someone's going to tell him to keep his fucking hands up Look at his kicks though Not too bad Not too bad If you stand right in front of him He'll fuck you up He's game though

He's game Yeah well listen He's gotta be If he's actually gonna have a fight Yeah he's game God he's so off balance though Right when I say that, he falls. It's like you're watching

his fundamentals. It's almost like he really shouldn't be hitting pads here. If I was coaching a guy like that, I would tell him, all I want you to do is touch these things. His video's over five years old. Oh, so he's gotten better. Yeah, he has. Well, hey, man, that's really

good, then. If that's five years ago and he's been steady at it since then, that's really good. Because he's got some basic movements down, the way he's throwing his weight into things. He just, you know, guys try to hit things hard before they learn how to hit things right. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Because his friend who was in Luther, the other, the other detective was Warren Brown, who's

my mate, my friend. He won two world titles in Thai boxing. Oh. So I think they've been talking about, and Warren's been helping him, and Kieran's been helping him, but it should be a good show, because you see all of him, you see him training and between movies, like he's made one with Spielberg. Right. The Dark Tower or something with Matthew McConaughey.

Where is he going to fight? I don't know. When? I think maybe in Thailand. I actually don't know. In Thailand? Yeah, I think so. Where is he going to fight? I don't know. When? I think maybe in Thailand. I actually don't know. In Thailand? Yeah, I think so. Jesus, he's going deep.

I know. So he's going for it. You've got to give him respect, man. So he's going to fight full multi-rules the whole deal? I think he's fighting K-1 rules, which would be, I think, damn sight easier to learn. So you don't get elbowed in the face and get cut up. Yeah, and clinched and all that sort of business. But you've got to give him respect.

I like that. Fuck, yeah. And I like the way he's testing himself, but he's done a video on YouTube about life and that and how he envisioned himself doing this. I really like that. I was gutted when I weren't part of the show. I really wanted to do that.

When you went what? I was gutted. You were gutted when what happened? I don't remember a word you just said. I was disappointed. I got this when I was with Waltis. What did you just say? It's part and parcel

that's what i kept saying last time i was uh upset gutted you were upset yeah because because i when what i was going to be part of the show oh you were going to use me as a mind coach you know because fighters have mind coaches now but anyway logistically it didn't work and stuff like that but i mean you wish him all the best and kieran and everyone on the show it would be brilliant. So who's coaching him? Kieran Keddle. Oh from CSA? No Kieran, no that's Kirian. Okay. Kirian Keddle. He's from England. Yeah Kirian from CSA is an Irish gentleman, right? What is his last name? Kirian? I don't know if he's... Kirian? Kirian? I don't know his second name. I forget his last name. What's his second name? Fitzgibbons. Fitzgibbons. Yeah. Fitzgibbons.

Yeah, he's a good coach. He coaches Zoiler, doesn't he? And Kevin Ross. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's a good coach. And Gaston Balanos. Right, right, right. Who's very good. Yeah, very good.

Have you seen the fight between Muhammad Jiraya and Nordin Benmo? No. Can you flash it up? Right now? Spell it out. Jiraya is J-A-R-A-Y-A. J-I-R. No, J-A-R-A-Y-A. J-I-R. No, J-A-R-A-Y-A.

V-B-A-N-M-O-H. It's only just watch the third round. Look at his face. He didn't get a word of that. I could tell. Spell it out slowly. J-A-R-A-Y-A versus Ben Moe. B-E-N-M-O-H. I'm writing it with my finger. M-O-H? Is that what you said? Yeah, the Moroccan. Did you say H or H? H. Why do you say H? H. Is that how you guys say H? Yeah. H? H. You guys do that too with Z. You say Zed.

Yeah, we do. What the fuck is that? We do. I don't know. We invented it. We invented it. But that's what I don't understand. How did it get abandoned?

You need to keep up. Like, there seems to be, like, some disconnect between some of the words. Like, tires. You guys use a Y in tires. Yeah, and color. We don't have U in it. You guys have a U in color. What the fuck is that about?

Do you have extra U's laying around? Yeah, we just throw this in. Why is tire T-Y-R-E-S? I haven't got a foggiest. Who invented tires? I think we did. So you might want to fuck off. Right, I will go now.

So what do you want me to see about this fight? This fight is one of the best kickboxing fights I've ever seen in my life. Really? When was this? It's absolutely ridiculous. It was last year on Infusion. I'm not,

it's because I commentate and I work for these, but these two knock the proverbial holes out of each other. May 27th, is it March? March 27th?

February 27th. Oh, okay. What is MCH? What does that say? Oh, it's the, okay, I see what you're saying. So in, just put round three on.

And Infusion is with an E, folks. E-N-F-U-S-I-O-N is a Muay Thai organization in Europe? Yeah, in Holland. In Holland. Yeah, and they're doing a 200,000 euro tournament in September 17. But this kid, Jiraiya, is 19. And it's absolutely

ridiculous fight. Wow. Okay, I'll check it out. Yeah, do so. I'll check it out. I'm obviously a big fan of kickboxing, and I'm super psyched that Glory is going to put on Badr Hari versus Rico Verhoeven if Badr Hari gets to stay out of jail.

No, he's not in jail. He's not in jail. He's not in jail. He's out. Not right now. He's out. No, he's not right now. But there's a long time between now and December. Well, we'll see.

Who do you think Kubrick will pick? He makes John Jones look like a fucking choir boy. I know, true. Doesn't he? Yeah, well, who would you say? It's an interesting fight. It is. I mean, for sure, Badr can win.

For sure, Rico can win. Rico's been much more active. Rico has incredible cardio. If you go to the Botter Hari that beat Alistair Overeem in the rematch, you go to that Botter, the Botter who was in his peak. I mean, Botter was a monster. Yeah. But it's been a long time, and he's not been very active over the last few years.

It's which Botter that turns up, isn't it? What's that? It's which Botter turns up. It's which Botter turns up up, isn't it? What's that? It's which badder turns up. It's which badder turns up, but it's also like all of the legal issues that he's gone through, all the behavioral issues. I mean, he's had a lot of problems.

Allegedly broke some guy's leg in a nightclub. They say he held the guy down, stomped his shin and smashed his leg. That's crazy shit, man. And who knows? Who knows? Who knows what the fuck is going on with that dude? Yeah, Rico's...

I know he's Rico. I know he's mum and dad, and they're real nice people. He's a nice guy and stuff. You know, Badr's probably the most exciting heavyweight ever. He's a wild man. He's a fucking wild man. And he's legit knockout power. And the other thing is is he throws caution literally

to the wind yeah i mean he he unloads with full power shots wades forward throws bombs like he throws out all ideas of like being technical and being um being really cautious and and and like setting traps he's not setting traps. He's dropping missiles on you. It gets to him, I think. I've heard that he throws up. I think he gets that nervous that he throws up. I think he's badder. He throws up before the fight.

Yeah, he gets really sort of super nervous. It makes sense if you see the way he fights. He fights like it's fucking chaos. He fights like someone's nicked something off him, doesn't he? Someone killed somebody he loves. That's what he fights like. He fights like a wild man. But it's so exciting. But Rico's a different kind of fighter. Rico is a very athletic

big heavyweight who has amazing cardio, outstanding technique. His boxing is outstanding. His kickboxing is outstanding. He's huge. Huge guy. He's a natural 250 plus and he's in incredible shape.

There's Botter. The thing about this is the glory preview video it's just the highlights they're putting on pretty sure the thing about rico is that rico's been super active while botter's been dealing with all these problems and rico's been getting better and rico's been beating guys that you know he had some problems with some guys in the past and you see him now and he's just a much better fighter in every shape way shape or form yeah when he fought benjamin adebui i thought that was brilliant i mean he's been he was sparring with tyson fury wasn't he yeah and all decent heavyweights and beating daniel gita who's daniel gita fights a good example because they had fought

before and it was a very close fight but in the the rematch, it was not close at all. Rico kind of ran away with it. Rico's on another level right now. But the thing about Botter is when he was at his best, and you kind of got to assume that it's possible that he could go back to how he was when he was at his best. When Botter was at his best, he was a fucking hurricane in there. Yeah, he was. I remember I've seen him because he was a fucking hurricane in there. Yeah, he was. I remember, I've seen him

because he fought a lot on it's show time and the Moroccans absolutely love him. But a bit like Jiraya. Yeah. Mohamed Jiraya is coming through now

and Elias Baleh, they love them. Who was it that he stomped in the head? Remy Bonjasky. And Hestigergis. Yeah, Hestigergis. He booted Hestigergis

when he was on the floor. Yeah, he got disqualified for that one, right? Yeah, he got disqualified for that one, right? Yeah, he got disqualified for both of them. Both of them. Bonchowski, too. Bonchowski looked a little bit like he was kind of acting it out a little bit. I'm saying nothing.

I have to go to Holland. You're saying nothing? You have to go to Holland? Well, I think he's probably smart on his part. Like, listen, the fight's over if I just lay here. Thanks for the money. Yeah. You know?

It just seemed a little like this guy who's been beating up his entire career and, you know, taking amazing shots, all of a sudden one kick when he's down and he just decides, like, here it is right here. Yeah. That one kick. That was it. I can't go on. No way.

Right? I mean, it wasn't a nice thing that he did. It certainly was grounds for disqualification. But to see him rolling around the ground like he can't function anymore, I'm like, okay. The Hester Gergis one was worse. He did volley him, didn't he, when he was on the floor? Yeah.

Well, he's fucking crazy. Why is he like that? Does anybody know? I don't know. I just think he's great. he's dead nice with me he's really he's been he's been really like he's really really nice with me and i'm like well he's all right with me he's just the wrong guy to cross yeah indeed yeah he's just the wrong guy across you don't want to with bad or harry he is he's a dangerous dangerous man so would you want to do this technique so what is it you want to do

so basically it's a it's a calming technique okay So do you want to do this technique? So what is it you want to do? So basically, it's a calming technique. Okay, yeah, we were about to do this earlier. We got so distracted. Carry on, don't worry. You're going to tell people in their cars to be careful. Yes. Please don't do this while you're driving your car. What are we doing here?

Explain this to people? And using any machinery or anything dangerous. I'll just show you a basic technique. It's a submodality move. So submodality is you know sub modality yeah what's going like something that's going on in the background okay um so it just it just calms you down so we can use it for i don't know before training or just stressful day or whatever they want to do or after a stressful day to learn to you know get some time to or whatever. It's a self-hypnosis technique, really, that I wanted to share with people. Okay, let's do it.

If that's all right with you. Yeah, please. Okay, so do you want to sit back a bit? Okay. Step back? No, just sit back. Okay. What I want you to do is find a comfortable chair or in your bed or whatever

while you're listening to this. I want you to just close your eyes a moment. I want you to imagine that you're in a room. This room could be any colour you wish. And in front of you, there's a window. The window is slightly open. I want you to move towards that window. And as you go towards that window, I want you to imagine outside there is traffic. go towards that window, I want you to imagine outside there is traffic. Bumper to bumper, cars, traffic. And we know what traffic causes when you're in a traffic jam, you know them situations. I also want you to imagine that there's a dog running around and barking, a really big dog making lots of noise. There's also a man and woman arguing in the street

and having a blazing row. The window next door of the house that you live in, they're blaring out really loud music. There's also a group of school children coming back from school and making noise. I want you to notice what you notice. Hear what you hear and feel what you feel about this situation with the window open now i want you to start moving backwards further and further away from the window so the window gets smaller and smaller and as you move really really back from the window i want you to allow that window to get smaller and smaller and as you go really weary away from the window so windows really really small I want to go out of that room and

close the door and just be and that's it does it yes just get away from the window get away from that window so that should make a bumper sticker get away from the window yeah it's just so you just so you. Just get away from the window? Just get away from that window. So that should make a bumper sticker, get away from the window. Yeah. It's just so you just withdraw away from the window, withdraw away from chaos and just quiet yourself down. So now using that as a tool, like how would one implement that in their life? Like that sort of a- There's loads of different ways of induction into hypnosis. There's loads of inductions, there's loads of different ways of induction into hypnosis.

There's loads of inductions. There's loads of different ways. With that, I just like it personally. I learned it off a lady called Dolores Ashcroft-Nowitzki. And to just move away from things that are going on and just give yourself just even a few minutes of just quiet. And when you shut down, you shut the door and you just be, you can just imagine yourself sitting and then you can start using your breathing techniques or just allowing yourself to

just sit just for a few minutes and see see what comes up for you see how calm you can get we were talking about something before the podcast that i wanted to talk to you about okay uh in in turn in relationship to archery uh that there's a thing that happens in archery called target panic and what target panic is is people that in the moment they start freaking out and they can't stay calm and they can't they what they do is they they they try to get that pin like when when you're shooting a bow you have a sight and on that sight has a pin and the pin is it's it's set up to whatever yardage you're trying to shoot at and your bow gets sighted in and once your bow is sighted in you can kind of dial your scope to or your your

sight to like 20 yards 30 yards 40 yards and what happens is people put that pin on the target, whether it's at a competition or whether it's bow hunting, whatever it is. You put that pin on the target, and the moment that's on the target, you start freaking out because the moment that this all is going down is happening soon, and people hammer that trigger. When they hammer that trigger when they hammer that trigger they jerk the pin off line they don't stay still they panic and this target panic causes bad shots yeah and you introduced me to this idea called hakalao hakalao hakalao explain to me hakalao

hakalao is um from a belief system from Hawaii called Huna. It's a hypnotic state. You're in hypnosis all the time. You're driving, watching TV, as we said earlier. Right, when you drive and you don't even realize how you got home. You're just on autopilot. That's hypnosis. Hypnagogic.

Is that the word? Yes. And he's driving hypnosis, basically. So Hakalao, spell it. Hakalau. H-A-K-A-L-A-U. H. H.

These motherfuckers and their brutalization of our God-given language. Of our president's language. It's H-A-K-A-L. Oh, wait a minute. You've got me. The ad's gone now. Hakalau. H-A-K-A-L-A-U.

H-A-K-A-L-A-U. Yeah. L-A-U, yeah. L-A-U. Yeah. So it's a hypnotic state, and it's quite easy to do. I've done it with a lot of people, and it works very, very well. It's just to calm yourself down a little bit. So as I said before, what you do is I'll just sit down and do it.

So you basically use lots of different ways of doing it. You can find a spot on the wall that's higher than your eye line. So you're kind of looking up on a diagonal. And imagine that you're looking for your third eye, looking for the middle of your eyebrows. And what you do is you focus on a spot on the wall. And while you're focusing all your energy on that spot,

you imagine that you can see all the way to the left and all the way to the right. Imagine that you can see really the way to the left and all the way to the right. Imagine that you can see really high above yourself and below yourself. And then you imagine while you're looking at it, you can imagine you can use your awareness to touch everything in the room. So you can see behind yourself, really above yourself and below yourself and around yourself. And what that does, it just calms you down and gives you a bigger periphery. It's peripheral vision. It's increasing your peripheral vision,

which is extremely good for combat athletes, et cetera, and just being calm and just putting yourself in a calming situation. Like we talked about Vasyl Lomachenko, didn't we, earlier? He's in Hakala all the time. He's amazing. Yeah, he's pretty badass. He's amazing. So explain to me why increasing your peripheral benefits you.

What does it do? Well, because when people say you have tunnel vision, you don't see that way, don't you? Right. Tunnel vision's like that. You don't see anything else. You see that in street fights. Yeah. I've talked about this one street fight where I watched in front of the comedy store.

These two guys were arguing, and this one guy had zero idea how to fight. I mean, like, literally zero. And he's standing in front of this other guy. And they start throwing blows. And this guy, literally, he's wincing. His eyes are almost closed. And he's doing this. Was it May?

He's standing square in front of this guy. And he's literally, like, throwing his hands. A bus moves in front of this guy And he's literally throwing his hands A bus moves in front of us I can't see what happens The bus pulls forth and the guy's flattened Just laying flat out and the other guy's running away So this guy cracked him The other guy didn't know what the fuck he was doing either

He was lucky that the first guy I thought he got run over by the bus then No, no, no, no, no, no, no He just got knocked out on the street They were in the street when this happened, though. But my point is that you could tell that this guy was frozen in this moment. He wasn't aware. This guy's throwing his hands at him and moving his head out of the way and being completely aware.

Most of the time, in really incredibly stressful situations, your point of vision closes and you tense up. Yeah. So by expanding your peripheral vision, you think you can relax. Yeah, you can. And you become extra aware. What is going on when you're expanding your peripheral vision? You're opening your unconscious. So you're opening your unconscious by just seeing more than you can actually see so say if you were in a an archery competition

you're shooting at this target that's like 70 meters away and you really have to concentrate and you're looking at that spot and you're like and there's all these nerves and everything like that and you're drawing your bow back and you're concentrating on that spot. How would one implement that then? You do Hakala. You do that first. Explain that. So you find a spot that's higher than the target, for instance. So say the target's here. You'd find the target that's just above, say, Elvis's head there.

Okay, so you look a few feet above the target. Find a spot, concentrate on it. Just allow yourself to spread your awareness. There's another way of doing it where you can have your palms out like this, right? And then when you bring your palms in and when you can see out, so you can see your own palms, you drop your hands. So then you also put your hand over your head. And then when you can see your fingers over your head, you drop that too. Okay, so you spread your arms out.

You can't see your arms yeah you can't and then you start bringing them in and the moment you see your hands you drop your hands but you keep your eyes forwards so you keep your eyes focused on whatever that spot is over your head like that and then when the moment you drop it forward then you let your hands down and why is what is going on when i'm doing that just it's another focus point it just brings your awareness bigger just makes your your sight bigger so when you when you're in the periphery you have a calmness about you and what is the philosophy when they talk about hakala and what did you say the name of the um huna huna yeah what is what is the thought process about hakala is that is that part of

their practice yeah it's part of their practice they do this thing with their arms yes and well no there's loads of different ways of doing it i'm not aware if they do it with the hands i know i just know techniques who've been taught or whatever but i know that you know the staring at the spot on the wall allowing your periphery just to spread yeah it works and what is what why does it work like what's going on it calms you down it calms your mind and if you're focusing on something so you if you're focusing on i don't know whatever you're shooting right if you're looking at that and you've got this background shit going on blah blah blah more than likely that's your focus it's not that's not your focus that is the when you're pointing your head for people to listen and you're saying blah blah blah

you mean like the internal doubt the inner dialogue the chat don't fuck this up don't miss you're gonna miss you're gonna miss breathe properly breathe properly and then when you when you when you get control of yourself by just focusing your awareness which is your your your area to relax then you start then you just get yourself into a calm position so say if someone was in a hunting situation there's a deer right deer is moving to 30 yards away and it's it's moving right into what you would call like a shooting lane in between two trees how would you try to initiate hakalao there because you do hakalao before you start or you practice it all the time when you practice yes when you practice it all the time it becomes a part of you

it's like anything mind coaching or being a being using the techniques I teach people is you've got to practice it. Like everything. You can't just, I'll just go hack-a-low and that's it. And you have to practice it and practice it and practice it. And it becomes more and more easy. But this seems like such a simple solution to a very complex issue. There's a lot of what is going on with archery is what's called, there's a lot of different theories.

One of the theories is recoil bracing. Like you know that something's going to happen so you're preparing for this thing to happen and then in preparing for that thing to happen, that is becoming more of your focus than actually making it work correctly. Yeah, but it does calm you down. So even in the aspects of shooting

i'm surely that i don't know i don't do it but i mean surely it's calming down that you're aiming for for aiming at something right so but it's also being focused completely focused on the result it does focus negative it does focus your awareness yeah not yeah the more you do it the more people doarring as well. They get less hit. Mm-hmm. They get less hit in sparring. I know there's a weightlifter called Emma James.

It seems like a 20-odd time world heavy lifting lady person. And she uses Hakala and it works. What does she do? It's basically the same thing. Mm-hmm. It's focus. And are there other methods other than straightening your arms out and looking forward? The best one, my personal opinion.

People may argue it, but my personal opinion is you find a spot on the wall and allow your awareness just to spread. So you imagine you can see all the way to the left and all the way to the right. So if you're out in the woods, you pick a spot on a tree. Yeah. And you keep a spot on a tree. Yes, yeah. And you keep practicing and keep doing it. And eventually you'll embed it. So why is expanding your peripheral vision calming? I don't know.

It just seems to calm the whole body down. Again, you're focusing on spreading your awareness. You're not focusing on panic. for you're focusing on spreading your awareness you're not focusing on panic or you focus on anything else so right so surely if you're just focusing on seeing and just moving out and allowing yourself just to spread i'm doing it now right you know you can just you can just feel it when i do seminars which i do a lot of you're doing seminars you're talking to people and this this and this you can spot people that are wandering mentally right so you can see them then you just turn and say you understand and then just go yeah because you you have to you have to guide the audience you know certainly when you're doing comedy yeah i think you do it anyway i think if you do it you'll do it in comedy i think when

you're on the stage you'll do it in comedy anyway because you can become aware of everybody sort of you definitely go into a state though exactly and that's what hackalow is it induces a state when you're doing comedy you're in the moment but you're also a passenger you know to do to do comedy you almost have to get out of your own way yeah but you also have to have prepared the material enough to where you know where you're going with it so you can relax well think about think about archery then you know you have to get out of your own way because the only person that's panicking is you yeah the animal or whatever you're shooting they don't even know you're there exactly right so it's exactly the same you're moving yourself out of the way to get yourself into the zone where you're

going to do trust me just just try it and if you know if you want i definitely will just there's that's an interesting uh solution to a really common issue with archers right like tournament archers they they panic so much they've come up with a method of allowing this bow to go off um without them doing it on purpose it's a a surprise release. That's a hypnotic state. Yeah, they have this thing called a hinge release. And what a hinge release is, you clip it onto your bow, and as you pull it back, instead of hitting a trigger, you're slowly moving your hand, and you never know when it's going to go off.

You're just slowly curling your finger, and there's a little hinge inside of it. And once it gets past a certain point, it just goes off. So instead of hammering the trigger, it goes off completely by surprise. So they figured out a solution to whatever this thing is that fucks with people's heads. But what you think is that if you can do it in practice,

you can do it in a real life situation if you expand your peripheral vision. It's a feeling, isn't it? your peripheral vision it's a feeling isn't it you know it's it's look at you know like we talk when last time i was on here we talk about golovkin he talks about feeling he listens to how he says about about punches yes he talks about i feel this i feel that he says feel all the time yeah and he feels he feels i feel this i know him i feel he's it's an awareness. It's an expansion of awareness. You know in English, you know that when you flip the bird?

Mm-hmm. In English, it's that. It's two fingers. Yeah. You know what it's from? No. It's from when we had wars with the French. What the French, you know, they capture the archers.

They cut the fingers off. Oh, right. Yeah. So that's just to say, ha-ha, fuck off. I feel like we talked about this before. Yeah. Yeah, but that's to do with the- To say, fuck off, I've got my two fingers. Yeah, I've got my two fingers, and that's from archery yeah that makes sense but it's it's a state do you know the mongols didn't use it

that way they use their thumb right they hook it with their thumb and then they grab their finger like this and they pull it back that way right they had their own weird method because you have a release in your hand right you do it this way because you can get a consistent anchor point it sits right on your chin is it true also when you if you drop the bow if you drop the bow the arrow drops yes most certainly i've heard that i've heard that when you yeah you have to stay completely still as the arrow releases with me coming from robin hood country it's a natural thing well yeah it's just it's but there's a bunch of different kinds of bows there's a bunch of different ways of shooting.

Like when you're shooting with a recurve bow or a traditional bow, you're pulling it back and just letting it go really quickly. Bang. With a compound bow, you're settling in and relaxing and trying to stay calm and keep the pin relatively close to the area but concentrating on the spot. And then you release. And as you release release it's got to be in one smooth motion where your hand pulls back as you do it so there's no yanking this way or pulling that way there's nothing that's going to affect the travel of the arrow yeah so there's a lot of mind shit going on there's a level of self-trust isn't there with it oh yeah there's a big there's a big level of self-trust and that's in anything in sport or anything else. It's the learning to trust yourself and trusting your mind.

And I just think that with mind coaching stuff, with techniques that you get to learn and get to have in your locker, I think it's massively beneficial, as you're aware. Yeah. You will do that. I can always record you something and send you it before you go to this thing that you're doing and let's see what happens it'll be interesting for me to see what happens because i've never worked with anyone that's on archery yeah you know it is a it is a lot of preparation for one moment that might happen once a year yeah and that's one of the big things about it is like when someone prepares for like a bow hunt in

particular at least a tournament you have multiple shots you can shoot many many times you get more relaxed but when someone prepares for a hunt you are preparing year-round you're shooting arrows constantly it's it's it's an incredible i can't believe how hard it is yeah i mean when i first started doing it i was like what's the big deal you stand there you keep your arms straight you pull the bow back no there's a lot going on and there's so much to consider the position the placement of your feet the position of your front shoulder how you're gripping the bow pulling back to the same consistent anchor point uh looking through the peep site correctly make sure you center the peep site with the sight housing and the bow releasing with no movement whatsoever making sure that everything is done perfectly

keeping the mind concentrating specifically on a spot. You have to look where you want to hit. You can't look in the vague area and you can't hope you're going to hit something. Yeah. You have to be absolutely convinced you're going to hit something. Yeah. And you will. And you will.

Look at you, positive thinking man. Well, you will. You will because that's your intention. So if your intention, set your intention. Set your sight, which is exactly the you're intent set your intention set your sight which is exactly the same is it not set your sight on right and this is what i'm gonna do set your sight on your intention where you go and say this is what i'm gonna do set your intention yeah and that is a big part of why people fuck up they go i hope this works yeah i hope this works

yeah the older even said that didn't play strikes back do or do not there is no try you know you set your intention i know it's cliche but you you know you set your intention well a lot of times cliches are there for a reason that they're they they're real they they represent reality yeah yeah and i think in this one it does it's um it's just an extreme thing and it's also a thing of this archery thing and bowh in particular, where a lot of people who are engaging in it, they might not have a lot of experience in performing under extreme pressure. Yeah. So you don't have a lot of opportunities where you're performing under extreme pressure. And then you have an incredibly intense moment where it's literally life or death to this animal.

Yeah. or death to this animal yeah yeah yeah but I want we'll talk and we'll talk because they want you to change the language around it mm-hmm to give you more of a more of it you know cuz it's complicated I get that mm-hmm but we've got to make it as less complicated as we can so it's so it's there's a smoother thing well it's complicated but it's not complicated like the English language you know the English language is unbelievably complex thousands of letters and I mean thousands of words and you're you're using them all in different ways and inflection and we all do that effortlessly yeah so i think i think i think you can you know

with doing the techniques and helping you out i certainly will because you know you're a very nice man and i'll give you credit for sure well i want you to i want to i really wanted to talk to you about this because i've seen all these different methods that people use to uh try to overcome target panic and one of them is um of this positive affirmation or positive uh way of looking at it like my friend shane dorian was here and uh he was talking about his friend and that his friend, right before he goes to shoot the arrow and he said his friend's a really nice guy, his friend says, I'm going to fucking kill you. That's what he says in his head.

I'm going to fucking kill you. Like he says that in his head. So he's absolutely convinced this is what he's going to do. It's not, I hope this arrow lands perfectly. I hope I make a great shot. He affirms it in his head where there's no wishy-washiness about it.

Well, it's setting intention. Yeah. He's setting intention, and I'm, he's personal to you. Remember we were talking before, and you said you, you, you, and he said when you change the language around, when he changes the language around anything, it becomes more useful to you, you know? But again, that is an affirmation, but it's also setting your intention. And in every way, if you. You know, but it's again, that is a, that is a, yeah, it's an affirmation,

but it's also setting your intention. And in every way, if you think about it, shooting that bow is setting your intention in every single way, isn't it? Because your intention is the, the beast, if you will.

And you're, you're setting your intention. So you've got to calm this. Yeah. Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll,

we'll get it. We'll get it. We'll get it. Well, I would really like to see if this is effective or if it helps other archers. Because that's one of the things of me getting involved in bow hunting. I've been exposed to this common problem that people talk about. And I'm absolutely fascinated by common problems.

Yeah. Problems that seem to represent a pattern of thinking that's really almost natural, but obviously should be avoided. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And it's just about you focusing your attention on what you want. That's how you get things in life. You focus on what you want, not what you don't want. You focus on totally undone. And you will get things that will trip you don't live on a cloud and i've never never never say that what you do is you focus on what you want and you keep focusing on what you want and deal with things that are getting your way but keep focusing on what you want that's the idea that's the idea don't focus on the problems focus on what you want focus on how difficult it is and this problem and how difficult this is and how hard this is because all you're telling you know You're all you doing you're your unconscious then the only information you're given is how hard it is, right?

So then what does it become it becomes something that becomes something huge? And this comes back to what we're talking about the very beginning of this podcast the language that you use in your own mind Yeah, can be very self-defining and can sort of really not just define you But define your future and how you how you interact with life yep and I know you can try people I mean sir how you get you come across and now you you perceive yourself no projects everything into into what happens you know and I think that's the idea is this is just changing the language the way you speak to yourself. If you can change the language the way you speak to yourself, your life will change exponentially.

That's my... Change the language, folks. Change the language. And obviously this is also... It's not an instantaneous process, right? It's practice. You know, the first time you did spinning back kick, you didn't land on the target and was brilliant.

Like I've seen you welly in that bag. Welly another british wellian wellying what is that oh welly well wellying welly is a is a wellington i don't know it's just a slang term for kicking very hard okay welly right when you kick when you welly something you're kicking it because you know wellington boots mm-hmm oh okay so yeah but when i've seen you you know the first you know i've seen you that spinning back kick i don't you show you showing john saint pierre george saint yeah that was right you know so first time you did that you didn't do it correctly right you know but it's all about practice it mind goes it isn't an instantaneous thing for phobias yes you know it works for phobias but i mean for for certain things in life you've got to you've got to keep doing it it's just life's thing it's practice yeah you know yeah and that's the case with everything

including thinking yeah like thinking is a skill yes and thinking is something that you have to develop and develop proper technique yep and adhere to these proper techniques always yes that's why I don't do one offs I used to do one off session by one off he's the one of sessions for people like one-to-ones and do a session one session I don't do one anymore I do more do think all four weeks to freedom or they have people that sign up for a year with me as well because it's an ongoing process i still have a my teacher colin mckay i still i still put you know ruminate things and he puts my thinking on the right path or whatever it's no one's we're not finished products i'm certainly not off in his product you know but it's just about

practice that's really what's important like people will try to point out inconsistencies in someone's behavior as a sign that maybe that person shouldn't be the one that's being a mental coach like yourself or someone who has maybe not succeeded in everything they've ever tried. How could this person possibly be a mental coach when they're not even capable of running their own life? But no, every human being is essentially the same in that regard is that no matter where you are you can probably do better and no matter who you Are you have learned along the way a lot of it by failure? Yeah, look at long and going back to Lomachenko as well because I'm your big fan boy Because he does things that I think he'll change the face of boxing. I really do. Why do you think that? Have you seen what he does?

He does like the Schulte test have you seen that where he does the different numbers? Where he's like, he's a Schultz test where you have 1 to 25 and they're all in a square. And then all the numbers are in squares as well and he has to touch them. Oh, I see what you're saying. He does loads of different mind stuff. Is it a reaction drill? Yeah, but he's building his awareness. He's building his intelligence.

That's why he's called himself high tech. He's building his intelligence. He's building his intelligence. That's why he's called himself high tech. He's building his intelligence. He's building his awareness. He said in his next fight, he's not going to get hit. He's aiming not to get hit. But what happens once he gets hit? Yeah, but... He's going to go, ah, fuck.

Well, the thing, he's got a mind coach. He's got a mind coach. And when he lost to Salido, when the weight was wrong and he got punched in the balls and all that sort of stuff, and Salido just out-pro'd him, really, I guess. He's too heavy, this, this and this. But he didn't dwell on that.

He went back straight away, beat Gary Russell, who's a great fighter, too. Because he didn't dwell on it. And because he had a mind coach saying, look, control your emotions. Me and Brian Dalbury have come to see, we're talking about it, I read about it, that he was saying that his mind coach got him to not focus, just his emotions and that's what it's about is controlling your emotions controlling your controlling you because you are your emotions after all and and just you know getting through what other people wouldn't and he isn't he fighting solido in a rematch isn't that i i think it's muted but i don't i've heard also that he's going to move up to lightweight and fight Manchester's Terry Flanagan for the WBO title next year.

Interesting. But he's amazing. I've never seen anyone do what he does. Penal Whittaker was very good. Roy Jones was very good. But he just seems to glide around people and just seems to know what you're going to do before you do it. He's exceptional. What's exceptional about him is that he's not outside. He's inside and he's seems to know what you're going to do before you do it. He's exceptional. What's exceptional about him is that he's not outside.

He's inside and he's not getting hit. That's one of the most impressive things about him is that he stays in the pocket and yet he somehow is so slick and so well-schooled. And it's schooled by his father as well, right? Yeah, yeah. A lot of people were disappointed in Andre Ward's performance on Saturday night. I think the opponent had a lot to do with it.

I think against Kovalev it will be very, very interesting. Yeah. Well, here's Lomachenko standing right in front of this dude. Just beautiful counters, man. It's just so crazy. He's just not there when the guy goes to hit him. He's insane how good he is he's so aware though it's his awareness his awareness is so perfect his distance and his

timing and what did he fight for a world title fight in his second pro fight yes okay yeah and he's won two worlds out of the different weights in seven fights he's just so good his movement is so incredible you know you see a guy like lomanchenko and you see ganada galovkin and kovalev and you go god damn these russians are bad motherfuckers but they've had mind coaches all of them all of them yeah even the russians used were the first people to start using um you know mental coaches and stuff this footwork is insane and that again like what's insane about it is he's right in front of the guy and yet he's so elusive with his footwork look at that step to the right and uppercut step to the left uppercut just god damn he's good and he pulls the hands as well

pulls the hands down and throws a hook oh yeah yeah he's really good at that. He's a freak. He's a real freak. And so these Russians, that's the way they school their amateurs. They give them a lot of mind coaching. Yeah, they do. And Lomachenko also was doing gymnastics and ballet. Fucking ballet. Ballet's coming up again, isn't it?

The old turmeric. I'll get Vassil some turmeric and so well i would think that that would help because just the ability to control your body gymnastics in particular is fantastic for that the ability like uh hicks and gracie famously was into yoga and uh he was into uh this very specific type of yoga that's very gymnastics oriented it's gymnastic on natural and uh there's a lot of like flexibility and movement it's more of like a flowing type of yoga thing but vinyasa is the called aren't they the movement yes and those flowing type movements are one of the reasons why he was so good at jujitsu is because his ability to control his body was like truly

exceptional he had a very unusual ability to control his body was like truly exceptional he had a very unusual ability to control his body again it's awareness it comes back to awareness doesn't it it's also strength in weird motions yoga is a big part of that too he was he was also a yogi and not just gymnastic and natural but like regular yoga he could do just he had incredible flexibility standing on a balance beam standing in a split, holding his foot above his head. And he's 200 pounds, and he's fighting professionally in the Valley Tudor events. Yeah. You see, it's all mind and body connection.

It's getting you in conjunction with that. Strength and condition are great as well. There's loads of stuff now that can make athletes incredibly, incredibly successful. I love Lomachenko, Mad. Golovkin, Mad. He's fighting Kell Brook soon in England, September 10th. Yeah. In London.

Apparently, they've done the 30-day weighing thing, and Kell Brook's heavier than Triple G. He'll be good. Good luck with all that. Who gives a shit if he's heavier? Yeah, I know. You're going to Than Triple G, yeah. He'd be good. Good luck with all that. Yeah, I know, yeah. Who gives a shit if he's heavier? Yeah, I know. You're going to get lit up, son. I know, but I really... Well, because he's English.

Triple G. No, he's from the north as well. You like the English guy? Yeah, I like him, whether he wins or not. Well, he's got a chance. He's a professional boxer, and he's excellent. Gennady Golovkin's something special. There's something...

His body attack is fucking ruthless too, man. That left hook to the liver he throws. Good lord. And the way he cuts the ring down. I just like him as a person. He's not the most sparkling personality ever. But I mean, I just like him the way he says, I respect, he's old school. I respect him and blah, blah, blah.

What's interesting about him to me is that he's so boyish and cute looking. But he's a fucking killer. Yeah. I mean, you look at the guy, and he's like, I bring big drama fight. Yeah, big drama show. Big drama show. It's like, it's so strange. He's very, very special.

Yeah, he is. He is. Well, so is Kovalev. And that's why the Andre Ward fight becomes so intriguing. Because if he fights the way, if Andre Ward fights the way he fought on Saturday night, he's going to have a real hard time with Kovalev. Well, you see, Kovalev's last fight against Chalamba. He didn't look all that.

But Chalamba, again. But he was fighting in Russia. There was a lot of pressure on him as well. Yeah. You know, I mean, Chalamba's hard to fight. I mean, Tony Bellew fought him twice from England. He's now the WBC Cruiserweight Champion from Liverpool. But Chalemba was the only guy to go the distance except Hopkins, right?

In recent fights. In recent fights, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you think he dropped him in round seven? Mm-hmm. I think Ward will fight on the inside. Yes.

I don't think he'll fight on the outside. I don't think so either. I think he'll fight similar to the way he fought Froch. I think that would be the plan. But great fighter, man. Very interesting. Great fighter. Very, very interesting fight.

What I like about Ward is his intelligence. He's so smart. And you hear it when he does commentary. He's so aware. And he fights so smart. Yeah. He's just a very clever guy in everything he does. He makes it awkward.

He fights different almost every fight. Sometimes he fights on the outside. Sometimes he sticks to you like glue. He's a very interesting fighter. I've seen Jim Lampley asking him questions. I think his dad was an addict of some sort. Died really early. I think he died at 46.

And his mom was a former drug addict. And Jim Lampley, and you could see him well up, and he started crying and stuff, and he's come through shit. So he's stuck where he wants, listen, nothing but respect for him, he's amazing,

and he seems, and I've not met him, I'd like to, a very, very nice man. Yeah, he seems like a very nice guy. A very decent human being. When he fought Barrera, the last time when he fought, what was his second name? No, his first name was Barrera.

His second name was Barrera. At one point where he caught the jab. He threw a jab, caught the jab, threw a right hand, left hook, slipped under. Wow. I mean, he was just like, he was dancing. He's like, he rehearsed it. He's a fabulous fighter. Hakalau.

Hakalau indeed. Hakalau indeed. Are there any other methods of trying to expand your peripheral? It's basically practice. Just practice. Yes. So it's just something that you have to be aware of. The closing of the peripheral

is also a tightening of you and not good. I would say so. But you can still focus. Yeah. Even with expanded peripheral. Yeah.

You can still focus on the task at hand. Yes, you do focus on the task at hand. It's still focusing on the task at hand. Driving's the same, isn't it? I mean, if you're just driving and just look forward, you wouldn't see anything coming from a junction or you still look in the rear view mirror, don't you? Even though you're not really going to get, you're not going to get, it's more often than not, you're not going to hit them behind unless you stopped, you know?

Yeah, that's the stereotype about Asians being bad drivers. A friend of mine who's Asian tried to tell me that the reason for that is their culture, when they're in Asia, especially in China, nobody looks to the left and looks to the right. It's like traditional to look straight ahead and, you know, to mind your own business. Don't be staring. Don't look off to the left. And so, and also they run into each other. Like if you ever been on the streets of China, apparently, according to Ari, they just, people just bump into everybody. They just bump into each other. They're just so used to it.

It's not a rudeness thing. It's just that's normal to them. So when they get in their cars, they kind of do the same thing. They look straight ahead. They don't look to the left, don't look to the right, and just plow ahead. It was not good for driving, obviously. I was in Hong Kong, and I was trying to get a flight. It was with K1.

It was a disaster. But I was trying to get the flight from Hong Kong to Gun Chao, this place. And I was at the desk explaining that was trying to get the flight from Hong Kong to Gun Chow, this place, and I was at the desk explaining that I had to get this flight quick. I was running through, I felt like I was in taken, I was running about that much. And the Chinese, people just barging in front of you. You know, just, it was like, I don't know.

And then Jeremy Lin, this kid who I know who lives in Hong Kong, he was saying that the mainland Chinese are miles different than the people from Hong Kong. They have a different sort of, you know, values and culture and a different sort of... who lives in Hong Kong. He was saying that the mainland Chinese are miles different than the people from Hong Kong. Hmm. They have a different sort of, you know, values and culture.

Yeah. Different sort of. Well, Hong Kong was a British empire, right? It was till 1999, yeah. That's ridiculous. Why'd they give it back? I don't know. What the fuck is that?

I know all toys are made in Hong Kong, aren't they? I don't know. Are they? Yeah, well, it used to be. That's another funny thing that English people do. They'll say something

and you ask a question. He's doing great, isn't he? Yeah. Right? The used to be when I was a kid. That's another funny thing that English people do. You'll say something and you ask a question. He's doing great, isn't he? The Welsh do it. It's Welsh. Is it a Welsh thing? Yeah, the Welsh do that. I noticed you used to do that a lot. Well, you still do in commentary.

You'll say something very complimentary and then you say, isn't he? Yeah, you say, isn't he? And that's just getting an agreement. Yeah. Unless it's with Julie Kitchen who I commentate with a lot or Gavin Sterrett who I commentate with on YoKo I'm asking them probably because I need reassurance because I'm insecure

it's an insecure thing, it's a blanket that I need well that's again going back to what we were talking about language defining things, it's like you're defining the fact that even though you are observing things you're being conversational about it and you're not being, you know, you're not like the authoritarian. You're not like the authority of all information that's being passed here, you see. You're looking for a consensus.

Yeah, of course. So when you commentate, and I know, and you know, my commentary is you've got to be colorful with your language. and you know my commentary is you've got to be colourful with your language you've got to you've got to

engage the engage the audience to drag them into something just in a fight right you know you've got to

you've got to well I'm a bit more spectacular anyway because I'm a bit hyper aren't I a bit sort of you know a bit squeaky but um

I sound like Beaker off I sound like Beaker off The Muppets but it's like you know you have to drag the the audience in right and I think it's like Beaker off the Muppets. But it's like, you know, you have to drag the audience in. And I think it's... Chiavello's great at that. Chiavello's great at it, yeah.

He's got a fantastic, like a whole litany of phrases that he loves to use. And he makes you jump. Yeah. He makes you jump as well. And he'll say stuff that's on his mind, like swearing and stuff like that. Yeah, for people to know, we're talking about my friend Michael Chavelle, who does commentary for AXS TV. He does Lion Fight, which is the premier organization in the United States,

at least, for Muay Thai. In the rest of the world, it's Yaka. Yaka, yeah. October the 6th, Liam Harrison fights Fabio Pinka. Ooh. So that is the Conor McGregor and the Diaz for us. Yeah, it's to me stunning that Muay Thai isn't more popular worldwide, but boxing is.

Muay Thai is so much more exciting than boxing. There's so many more variables. It's so many more ways to win. It's so much more effective. It's so many more ways to win. It's so much more effective. And it's just brilliant to watch. When you watch a guy like San Chai or Yodson or all the greats,

you watch these guys fight and the artistry and the beautiful techniques and moves and also the excitement, the excitement of Muay Thai. it's just so spectacular yeah i mean so sanchez hacklow all over but it's like you know with with liam who i'm a massive everyone knows i'm a big fan boy of liam you know he brings a storm he never he never leaves anything

behind he brings a storm on october the 6th gonna going to be wicked, can't we? Yeah. I'm sweating. The hands start sweating and all sorts. I'm so childish. Yeah. I really do need to grow up and get a proper job. No, you don't. San Chai is interesting too because he's really light on his feet. Yeah.

He fights different than most Thais. Like he fights on the balls of the feet almost exclusively. Utilizes a lot of front leg side kicks. It's like half teep kick, half front leg sidekick. Keeps you off balance a lot. It's Mui Bo Ran, isn't it? I mean, San Chai, I think, was trained originally by a guy called Somruk Kamsing, who won an Olympic gold medal as well.

And he's got a very flamboyant technique. He's amazing, skilled. Is that the guy that was supposed to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme? Yeah, that's the one in Las Vegas. That was the one. Yeah, him. That was never going to happen, right? No.

And he's so, again, he's aware, but he's rock hard as well. I mean, you think he's always just messing about, but he's rock. I mean, I remember watching him, again, watching him, Liam. And Liam smashed his front leg to bits, and he just said, I can't. Kicking him as hard as I could. And he's just still, he's a very special. He's 30, I think he's 36 now as well. Yeah, he's not getting any younger.

He just got involved in MMA. He's been training. There's some videos of him doing arm bars and stuff. Yeah, I've seen that. It's interesting because you've got to wonder if that's what he's decided deciding to do and he fights all the time yeah that's the other thing like i follow him on instagram and sanchei will have this thing like about to fight smile smile fist you know bicep he's fighting emojis september the 11th in england is he against uh one again mentioned carrie kettle he's training Idris Elba. Charlie Peters.

He's fighting Charlie. Well, he fights, you know, at least six times a year. Yeah, easy. Easy. Easy. He's fought in glory, didn't he, in Amsterdam? Mm-hmm. And won.

And that's kickboxing rules without the clinch, without elbows. Yep. Which is, it's interesting that they chose those rules. I'm not a big fan of that. I'm a big fan of the organization, but I like elbows. I think elbows are, I mean, look, if you can kick someone in the head, why can't you elbow them? It's very effective. We're talking about Muay Thai.

Yeah. Like, why limit it? You know, why allow, like, leg kicks, knees to the head, head kicks, but don't allow elbows? That seems to me to be a little weird. I think the one thing that keeps Muay Thai back is the traditional side of it, which I love. I love it. Like the Y crew? The Y crew, the monk on the head.

How does that hold it back, though? Well, because people, this is my opinion, I may be wrong, but it's like, you know, people sit there and they get the beer or whatever and they come in and they watch the fights and then they just say, what's that on his head? Well, you're a fan of martial arts, so you're not going to really see what they see. But I can see it from, you know, what's that it's got on his head for and what's that music? Why are they dancing?

The dance is odd. And also the music while they're actually fighting is a little odd. If you watched it, you wouldn't hear it. I don't hear it. Yeah. I don't listen, you know, and if you listen for it, you obviously hear it because that's your focus. Yeah. But I love it

and there's some great fighters coming through in England and everywhere else and great things happening with the World Thai Boxing Council World Thai Boxing Association that Brian Doble is involved in

loads of stuff coming through she's good Yoko and you know like you said Lion Fight Iman Barlow is one of my friends

she's fighting on Lion Fight she's amazing she's fighting so Shivalo will love her yeah I'm just happy that Lion Fight. Iman Barlow is one of my friends. She's fighting on Lion Fight. She's amazing. She's fighting. So Chevalo will love her. Yeah, I'm just happy that Lion Fight exists because it seems like there's so few organizations that are showing high-level Muay Thai in the United States. I mean, if it wasn't for Mark Cuban's AXS TV,

it's like there's not any other options. Yeah. There's some good fighters. Gaston Balanos. Very good. I like him. He's great. He's only had a few fights. Balanos very good I like him he's great he's only had a few fights

he's rock hard I think he's 6 6 and 1 he lost one fight and it was a very highly disputed decision loss against the Thai

yeah I thought he won that fight well it's difficult I've watched it once and it's close very close I'd have to watch it again

to really sort of analyse it but I like his style I like he comes for his fight and he's only. Very close. I'd have to watch it again to really sort of analyze it but I like his style. I like that he comes for his fight and he's only had a few fights. Yeah. I think hopefully he'll fight in England soon enough. Yeah, and of course Kevin Ross,

who you said before. Great guy. Very fun guy to watch too. Yeah. He's highly skilled and Zoila Frausto is fighting in Glory. And Kevin Ross is also fighting in Bellator Kickboxing too, right?

Yeah. I've seen his last one and he's still a little bit Muay Thai. It's very difficult to fight that style. But obviously he's with a good gym. So they'll transition that. Isn't it funny that to most people it looks like the same thing? They're looking at it like, what's the difference? Yeah.

But the clinch is a big factor and the elbows are a big factor. Yeah, the stance as well. The pace, the stance. Giorgio Petrosian fights Muay Thai style, but he adapts to the rules very well because of his boxing skill. What is Giorgio up to now? He's fighting soon in Bellator. I don't know where. Because he had that one devastating loss to Andy Ristie.

He's amazing, Protossian. Up close, I've never seen anybody like that. Just slips shots and just lands. When he lands with his counters, they're not soft. They're like whack. You're in a position where you can't hit him and he can hit you. He's just poetry in motion. He's absolutely superb.

He's interesting, too, because he's not like some physical specimen or anything like that. He's just an average guy, but he's a very intelligent approach to fighting. Hakala. Yeah, Hakala. His eyesight. I mean, his Hakala. No, but his eyesight is because he's so focused on what he does. And even if you watch his training, everything is specific.

He's a southpaw as well, which you can't limit the shots of what you can hit a southpaw with. is specific he's a southpaw as well which you can't limit the shots of what you can hit a southpaw with you know or a southpaw can hit you with and he's just got that down to a fine art and so is Vasil

he's just they've got that to a fine art the counters that you're going to throw they've seen it lots and lots of times whereas if you haven't

sparred with lots of southpaws and spent time with them then it is difficult for you to adjust to that you know it's like Cubans you have so many southpaws and spent time with him then it is difficult for you to adjust to that you know it's like cubans you have so many southpaws because of the the style's difficult to contend with sometimes yeah it is funny that more people don't do it they don't compete as a southpaw and there's a lot of teachers that are starting to teach like emmanuel stewart was doing that towards

the his end days was uh teaching guys to fight with their strong hand forward. So he's taking right-handers and having them fight southpaw. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Kato's a left-handed orthodox. De La Hoya's a left-handed orthodox. Yeah, De La Hoya's left-handed, but he would fight in an orthodox stance, so he'd have his left arm, which is his dominant hand, forward.

Andre Ward. Yeah. He's left-handed. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know whether Vasyl Lomachenko's right-handed yeah yeah but i don't know whether vassil lomachenko is right-handed or not it's interesting though isn't it to make that decision to use your dominant hand as your front hand when everybody else uses it as the power hand the backhand

yeah but it's i mean i don't know it feels a bit but then again it would feel weird if you don't do it it's just like anything it's everything feels weird remember the first time you tried to throw a left hook you're like what. I'm a southpaw anyway. I'm left-handed anyway. Oh, are you? Yeah, so it's always been a right hook first and that. Yeah, but I remember the first time throwing a hook, thinking like, what a bizarre way to generate power.

And now it's a second nature. Now it just feels like you just, you know, your body just moves that way. Yeah, you're just like, I think John Wayne Parr's left-handed left-handed is he hmm do you watch whenever he does he's like he's he's left kick but he trained with sang tian noi uh for many years and sang tian noi is a left kick sang tian noi is a southpaw but john wayne parr's got a great left kick yeah we're slowly starting to see real high level muay thai fighters compete compete in MMA and really more so in women's MMA. Yeah.

I mean, we have a lot of high-level people in men's MMA, of course, but in women's MMA, Joanna Jacek. Why am I not saying her name right? Joanna Jacek. Why am I saying it wrong, though? Joanna Jacek. Is she the Polish girl? She's Polish. But why am I saying it wrong?

It's one of those words where if you don't say it for a couple of days, you go back to it and go, Everybody says Johanna, too. It's actually Johanna. I think I'm saying it right. I feel awful. It's so different between the way she says it. She says it and

you're like oh i don't even know if i can make that noise in my face see why see why questions things see here's the thing when you look at it right there first of all what the fuck is going on with that e why does that e have a goatee like that does not help me at all like if you if you pull up her name and you make me say her name, it doesn't help me at all. But whatever. She's fucking awesome. What she is, is she's really incredible. Like, her technique, her jab is just vicious.

She steps forward and blasts that stiff jab on girls. Her front kicks, her round kicks, her elbows when she's defending takedowns, her clinch work. I mean, God, she's good. She's so good. She's one of the most technical strikers in any division. And she's in women's MMA, of course. Valentina Shevchenko, of course. Very, very accomplished Muay Thai fighter who's now fighting in women's MMA.

Yeah, there's some good coaches coming through brian pope joy as well from boxing works he's really good i watched him on pads the other day and he's he's he knows what he's doing he's a good he's a good coach good with elbows and good with timing and all that sort of business what do you think that muay thai needs in order to become as popular in the united states as it is in other parts of the world? A chance. A chance, right? A chance. It's not that it's not fun. No, it's not.

And it's not as if they've not got decent people with it. I'm here because, well, I want to see Joe Schilling and Ian McCall, obviously, come in here with you, which is brilliant. Thanks very much. But I've come to see Brian Dobler from Double Doze Muay Thai. And he's like a million miles an hour of everything. Where's that? In Fontana in California.

And, you know, they have got the talent. It's just their chance. I actually don't know. I think there's a lot of maybe politics involved or, you know, they're not getting, the Smokers have been banned. You know, the, like, Amateur fights.

Yeah, we call them interclubs. They're banned everywhere? Or just California? They're banned in California, which is unfortunate. Yeah, unfortunate because how are they going to get experience? They're not, but also they're not going to die. No, they're not. That's what people were worried about. No, they're not.

Some people were being unethical and they're smokers. They didn't have the proper medical staff on them. I think someone got hurt in an MMA smoker. And I think they kind of polluted everything. People get hurt in the gym. People get hurt in the gym all the time. A bit like the sock in the washing machine it happened. But I'd love it to have a chance.

I think it should be bigger in the United States. And they need a commentator from England, by the way. Yeah, I agree. I really do think that it should be bigger in the United States. And I do think that it's not like cricket. Like, good luck selling that. But it's something that's universally exciting. I know you guys enjoy cricket.

I don't even know what it means. Good. I don't even know anything about it. Congratulations. You made it this far. Or football. Or American football. Or baseball either. But Muay Thai is universally exciting. If you watch it, it's universally exciting. And in my opinion, it's one of the most effective combat sports as itself, as an individual unit.

Yeah. Yokohama, what I work for, amazing. And Fusion, I'm very privileged to work for them too. Yeah, you're dealing with high-level stuff. I love it. I mean, and Fusion have the best newcomers, the new kids on the block coming through. They're amazing. These Moroccans are rock hard.

And England, you know, with Yokka, with Jordan Watson, Liam, and Panikos, and all the good guys coming through. It's wicked. I love it. Listen, I hate to cut this off, but I've got to get the fuck out of here. But I really appreciate you coming down here again.

Loved it. Thank you very much. I learn a lot every time I talk to you and I think the people do as well and I appreciate the timeline therapy and if people want to get a hold of you how do they do that? Yeah VinnieShorman.com or you can get me on Facebook or you can get me at Vinnie Showtime69 on Twitter. Alright

ladies and gentlemen thank you very much Vinnie Shorman. Thanks Joe. Thanks brother.