The Joe Rogan Experience - #851 - Shane Mauss

Episode Date: September 26, 2016

Shane Mauss is a stand-up comedian and also hosts his own podcast called "Here We Are" available on Spotify. You can also check out his Netflix special called "Mating Season". http://shanemauss.com

Shane Moss, ladies and gentlemen, live from our studio in beautiful 818. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming, buddy. I was saying before the show, you have the Duncan Trussell seal of approval. Yeah, thanks, Duncan. Yeah, yeah. I just had my second time on his show recently. He's an awesome dude.

He's one of the rarest people i've ever met in my life i don't know anyone like duncan no me either there's a few guys that i know but like that is just a stone cold original yeah duncan's one of those yeah he's hilarious awesome did he did he give you the vote the full virtual reality experience i did that stuff's amazing i can't and he he told me that the porn is really crazy in it too, but he didn't show me any of the porn. Yeah, he got me close to the porn. He gave me the headset like, dude, you got, no, no.

I got like right up to the wall and I'm like, I'm not going. I'm not going into the matrix. Yeah, I hit like a wall in his room like shooting or dodging a thing or whatever. It is exceptionally realistic. Yeah. it's incredible did you do the archery game where the yeah yeah the little guys yeah yeah yeah there's another archery one that i played too that was yeah that's awesome there's one that you had to an archery game where you had to dodge like and you're like moving like the matrix to dodge away from there

it was like a it was like a good workout. So you can see the arrows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I would imagine it is a good workout because I did his boxing one, and that's a good workout. You're like boxing against this guy, this video guy. And I showed it to some fighters, and I was like, I really think that this could be an amazing training tool. If they could figure out how to make the headset so that maybe for the cord was in the back if it didn't interfere as long as you didn't do anything when you had a spin around it would probably be effective

but it can they can map your body movements like they had that Jamie you know that's that um wasn't there an Xbox one where it just sort of takes a picture of your body as you're standing there. Yeah, the Kinect. I had this fixed before the show. I'll get it fixed again. Yeah, the Kinect can read your body heat. It can pick up, it's not reading your skeleton, but it can pick up your limbs and stuff. So it picks up the length of your limbs as well?

It can tell where they're moving. If you do the Insanity or something like that, that workout, it can tell how high you're lifting your knees up. And if you're not bringing them up to the right level, it'll tell you, like, bring them up higher. Lift your legs higher. Lift your knees up. Lift your knees up.

You're not going high enough. It'll give you points based on how you're doing and whatnot. Obviously, this is rudimentary in comparison to what it's going to be in a few years. Oh, yeah. And with police training and stuff like that, especially once – I don't know exactly how they do it, but once it's like kind of wireless, so you don't have the cord attached to you, and then maybe you could have like larger facilities than just a small room eventually.

I think they're already doing that. Didn't you say they were already doing that? They're doing warehouses. They're setting up warehouses for VR, VR sets, and they're going to have feedback in the warehouses, like fans that blow wind on you and there's going to be like movement on some parts of the ground oh that's amazing cool shit yeah i've i played um i played one of the ones was a paintball one with other people that were online and um i mean i guess we've had kind of people have been playing other people online but

when you're doing it in virtual reality, it's just a totally different thing. Well, I can only imagine. I saw there was one that they had these people on an omnidirectional treadmill. Have you seen those? No. You sit. I get the idea. Yeah, you're in a circular containment and you have like a harness on your waist so that you don't ever walk forward and touch the bars.

Right. So you're kind of strapped in place. And then your feet dictate which way this surface that you're on spins. It's a treadmill, but it's not a treadmill like it's always going so you have to keep up with it. It's a treadmill that you propel, which I've seen before. Some people actually like those. They put them on like a serious incline and they do crazy sprints on these uh self-propelling

self-moving treadmills so this guy had this oh here is that it yeah there it is there's the omnidirectional treadmill so the guy see how he's hooked up to this harness so he's in the center of it and it seems to spin on bearings or something and so he's, like literally moving through this virtual world. You could have just enormous landscapes that play out. That's amazing. Yeah. Look at that thing. Yeah, people are going to get lost in there.

You're also going to get really fucking tired. Because I'll tell you what, like playing that archery game, my arms were so tired. Just from holding, like it's like a static thing with your left arm in particular. You're holding your arm in one position. And then your right arm that you're drawing the bowstring back, you're holding that in one position like constantly. Because the game is like 20 minutes long. Did you do the paintbrush stuff? I did not.

I only did two things. I did the boxing one. Well, I did three. I did the boxing one. I did the archery one. Then I did the one one well I did three I did the boxing one I did the uh archery one then I did the one where you just stand there and the whale comes up to you yeah which is insane um well the the paint stuff I think is going to be I think that is one that's kind of like almost there already as far as how good it is you know that the archery one it's like

oh these little like two-dimensional kind of things that are you know it's not it's not like amazing graphics or anything like that but but it will be a lot better in the future but the paint one is is just this virtual paint where you you paint like you use a spray can here or like you put sparks in this area and then you can like walk through it you can like make a circle around yourself and then walk through it and shrink it and enlarge it and you can see all these people that have like painted entire ships like spaceships that you can then go on inside and like walk around and see all the different areas that they've made and and you can add your own graffiti to it and stuff like that i think that's going to be like to have someone like alex gray or something like that get in there you know yeah i saw uh i saw a demonstration of that where they were doing

it in three-dimensional video while it's going this guy made something like you're describing uh four little different rooms that he has within the little uh the virtual world the virtual big room you have you made four little ones within. And these are all little paint things that you can make using the program. And what program is he on? Is this Oculus? Yes, it's on Vive. It's called Tilt Brush. It's the actual program.

Did you know the guy who invented Oculus is only like 24? Yeah, did you hear about the stuff going on with him this weekend? Yeah, he's a Trump supporter and his girlfriend's a G gator he paid like a billion dollar million dollars his girlfriend hold on what'd he say he paid for a fund that funded those memes like the trump memes that's like there's a meme fund yeah i'll look it up while we're talking about yeah i'll show you that's hilarious there's a strange world that we're in. Palmer Lucky, I think is his name. Something like Palmer Lucky.

Is that what you're talking about, right? Oh, okay. How weird. A meme fund. That seems so counter to the idea. I mean, it's more effective than the commercials they put on TV, probably. Oh, yeah.

Everyone on Facebook. Especially because Facebook's kind of like a lot of older people are on there now. And they're real suckers for those, like, I like America. Share this if you're brave enough. And then you have to share it. There's a lot of that going around. It's like those old letters that, like, when I was a kid, the chain letters would come. And if you didn't send it to like seven people, you'd have bad luck or, you know, whatever it is.

And now people are falling for that with like Trump memes. Are you aware of shit posting? No. Okay. Jamie alerted me to this new thing. I'm already interested. Catchy name. I'm old. No. Okay. Jamie alerted me to this new thing. Jamie's my host. I'm already interested. Catchy name.

I'm old, so I need Jamie to keep me in touch with the young folk. But there's a thing called shit posting. And what shit posting is, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's part of the alt-right. Correct? Is that how it's connected? Not necessarily. They do it, but I don't think it has any. It doesn't have an affiliation?

Yeah, yeah. But the idea is you're just posting a bunch of ridiculous shit. Just to do it. Right. And maybe your intelligence level may be several steps above the stuff you're posting, and you're kind of half-trolling and being shitty at the same time. Yeah, it's like a form of trolling. It's a a form of trolling. It's a form of trolling.

It's taking a new turn. But by the same, like, by the same shit posting, like, you know it's shit. Is that the idea behind it? Yeah, like the value of what you're posting is shit. Right. I believe that's the description. Right, but you're aware of it when you're doing it, right? Yes, yes.

Okay. That's why it's like trolling, yeah. And so the idea is just to rile people up who are like Hillary supporters or something? Yeah. Huh. And so the idea is just to rile people up who are like Hillary supporters or something? Yeah. Huh.

This is the most bizarre political event I can ever remember in my life. It's too much. I don't handle it well. I try to not watch the news and stuff, and it's still just so pervasive. You have to watch it. I know. It's like a sports that you have to follow. It's like a sporting event that you have to follow. There was a video that a bunch of celebrities put out that is so goddamn confusing because it's um celebrities

telling you to go out and vote and they're showing all this stuff that makes both of them look fucking terrible it's such a confusing video because it's all this stuff about Benghazi all this stuff about uh like the Hillary all this stuff about the Hillary Clinton scandals, the various scandals that's playing on in the background while Iron Man, what the fuck's his name, Robert Downey Jr. talks, and then a bunch of other celebrities talk, and some of them are really ridiculous. Some of them are starting to cry when they're talking.

This is so important. To be a part of that decision. You might think it's not important. You might think you're not important, but that's not true. But there's another version of this that has, okay, maybe this is different. I think I've been hoodwinked.

I think this is probably the real one because it says save the day and the channel saved the day. And the other one is someone someone made it and took their speeches with some of their imagery but then put a bunch of stuff in the background showing like how fucked up the Benghazi situation is how fucked up Donald Trump's past is how many people are suing Trump University like and then it all like so it makes this thing about saving the day I guess most of what save the day is is like anti-Trump but when you see the video that

whoever has created this put together online it shows a lot of fucked up Hillary stuff too it's it really lets you know like hey you ain't saving shit stupid it's weird that it's changing this culture and with memes and everything else it's it's completely changing what the the role of politicians is what the uh you know what the president actually does whereas it used to be like you need a representative to ride on horseback or whatever and and now it's we don't really need any of that anymore and so now it's just these are just people that are going around giving pep talks because by necessity they have to raise a certain amount of money so they have to go to each town and say america i like america the most the other guy doesn't like america the best and i've support the troops the most the other person

doesn't and they're just giving the same talk and They're not actually – I don't know how they could have any time to actually be doing the job. They're just going around marketing, and it's kind of by necessity. And how about when they're marketing and they have another job already? Like they're already a senator or something like that, and they don't give up the job. They just start campaigning. Right. Like when the president was campaigning for a reelection. Like a good percentage of him working, like him doing his job, was him campaigning to do it again.

Yeah. Yeah, that's... What the fuck? And it's getting earlier and earlier, too. So we'll be done. We've been hearing about this for like two years now. So we'll be done. We've been hearing about this for like two years now.

And then after the election, we'll maybe get like maybe a year break before they'll start in on what the next election cycle is going to be. And everyone thinking this is very important and very exciting. It's time to change things. Very important. Yeah. I don't have a solution, but I do have a question. Like, wouldn't it be better for everybody if you couldn't advertise? Wouldn't it be better for everybody if you also couldn't pay people to put promos up or posters up?

If that was completely off the table. Like, maybe you could say, listen, okay, here's the deal. People can support your campaign. You know, they can get behind you. They can get behind you. They can endorse you. But no ads. Yeah, yeah. Like we need a cultural spam filter.

Yeah. Yeah, because now even if these people genuinely say it's just this person who genuinely wants to make a difference, is super smart, they know just how to do the job, they won't be able to. Obama. They have to go out. Yeah, Obama's a's very bright dude seems like a hard-working guy but he's still you know he's just out there giving pep talks and having to you know raise funds and and i think it's ridiculous to try to pretend that one person is even capable of running the united states government something so monstrously huge encompassing the irs the cia the nsa the fbi fucking go on down the line with every union and all the different special interest groups that he

has to you know they all contribute to his campaign he has to help them out there's so many different people has to meet from other countries there's so many different foreign interests he has to address there's so many different deals that are on the table. How the fuck could he? It's like having a hundred jobs. Yeah. And why not, rather than going to each small town and giving the same speech, I mean, we have the internet, we have TV. Why not just get together and have like a podcast or something, like once a week where you just talk about what you're doing and what your plans are and you're getting together with certain whatever experts you're working with and giving a summary on what's actually happening and how things work so people are involved and understand and can give feedback on it. 100%.

100%. I mean, that's because right now there's just like no substance. And even I used to think that the debates were like, oh, okay, finally, they're going to be saying something, you know, of substance. But it's just you have one person on one side, one on the other, and they're just digging their trenches and they're not open to the other person's idea. They're not having a conversation. and they're not open to the other person's idea. They're not having a conversation. I wish someone would just make these two children just sit down and have a fucking conversation over tea or something like that. But it's never going to happen because all they're trying to do is win.

And that's really what they're trying to do. They're trying to employ the best strategy for success. They're going to figure out a way to get in that fucking White House. It's just so strange. It's so strange. And it goes along the same lines to me, is there's some certain things that have been around for a long time that I'm like, how did they ever let this get in? Like, if you are operating for the greater good of the people, not for the most amount

of money that you're going to receive for making these decisions, but if you're operating for the greater good of the people, why would you let pharmaceutical drug companies make advertisements? Why would you let politicians make advertisements? Why would you let all the, the cigarette industry,

how the fuck is that still around? Yeah. How are you still allowing that? And then you're saying that marijuana should be illegal. I mean, there's so many of these ancient things that are so ridiculous that have been around forever.

Well, and then things like the DEA, which just, what was that, three weeks ago when they decided they weren't going to reschedule it, even though everything's going that direction, clearly. Not just everything. There's nothing pointing the other direction. Right. There's not like, well, we have some conflicting studies and it looks like marijuana could possibly do some sort of memory damage or this or that. No, there's none of that. or whatever it is, but the inability to see that this is happening, that this is where it's going, and you're just wasting a lot of time on a losing battle is kind of troubling that people aren't able to look at society and be able to make better predictions. Well, they got caught up, and a lot of it is religious.

A giant percentage of it is the beliefs that people have about gay people that are based on whatever religion they grew up with it's it's the only reason why you would care people who are agnostic i guarantee you if you like did some sort of a survey and checked atheists versus pick whatever religious designation you know and saw which ones were against gay marriage right it would be almost all of them the religious ones. There's no, like, there's no secular argument against it. The only argument against it is, look, you fucking people got it light, gay folk.

Don't get married. Don't do it. Like, you can't get pregnant. They can't rope you in. You don't have to get legally entangled to some other dude that you might get tired of blowing, okay? Just do it. Don't buy into it. It's kind of like uh i i feel that way about some of the um when when they celebrate like jessica jones or something like that where

it's like finally there's like a strong female lead and it's like it's like who's jessica jones it's a tv show on on netflix like one of those comic book TV shows. It's just the idea of... How dare you think we should know that? Yeah. I thought this was like some news story that like, a bleppo or whatever it was that Gary Johnson in the Capital Series fucked up and didn't know what it was. But the idea of

a strong female lead being a shitty action movie. Women can make shitty, mindless shooter movies, too. Why is that a positive thing? Rather than having a female be president in a movie or some substantial role. Well, they've already had that.

Angela Bassett was president in one movie one time. But the big one was, of course, Sigourney Weaver in fucking Alien. She's the best badass chick ever. Yeah, yeah. Who's more badass than her? She didn't have any fucking superpowers. Just a woman who survived on a spaceship with a fucking creature that nobody had ever seen before.

Right, right. That movie was the shit. And nobody disliked that movie because a woman was the lead. See, that's where all this Ghostbusters shit falls apart. People are crying, sexism and all this. No, it wasn't good. It just wasn't good. There's a lot of female...

I haven't seen it. What was that movie that everyone loves, the wedding movie, The Wedding Planner? No. Bridesmaids. Bridesmaids. Everybody loves that fucking movie. Like universally. I've never heard anybody

who saw that movie didn't think it was funny. I've only watched like an hour of it, but I was laughing my ass off. It's fucking funny. And it's just funny. It's funny whether, it's like when Sarah Silverman goes up. She's not funny for a chick. Yeah, yeah. She's just fucking funny. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. You know? It's like, that's, when it's just

that, it's undeniable. You know, like, Alien is an undeniable movie. And it doesn't matter if, like, it would have been even better if it was Brad Pitt. No, it wouldn't have. It's perfect. It's perfect as it is. So the idea that we need a female leader so badly that we're willing to take this one that's embroiled in controversy. She faints.

She's fainting. If we bring it up, we're a sexist. You're not supposed to fall asleep when you're just walking around this is uh i i mostly just don't like the idea of any time there's like another clinton or another bush just because like someone else their father made it or you know their husband or whatever else made it so now they also get to you know and people are like, oh, I remember that name. We're scared of change. I mean, that's why we keep doing

Spider-Man movies. There's another Spider-Man reboot. We're going to reboot the Hulk. I mean, that's what we do. We like to reboot things. How many King Kongs have they made? It's fucking crazy. A gang of the Hulks. There's three different guys that have been the Hulk in modern days. Eric Bana, right?

Ed Norton. Ed Norton. And then the last one was Mike Ruffalo. Mark Ruffalo, who was also in this campaign. He's very politically active, that Mark Ruffalo guy. So, yeah, we're having a Clinton reboot. It's a Hulk reboot. I mean, how many times can they do a Batman movie?

How many guys have been Batman? Christian Bale, right? Ben Affleck, Michael Keaton, George Clooney. More Batmans than anyone, right? That's the most reboots. Or has it been Superman? Superman had a TV show. Plus, why bother after Christopher Nolan?

I mean, he knocked it out of the park. Which one was that? That was the last three with Batmanman begins and and um dark knight and yeah um because he's the guy he makes he made inception and interstellar and memento and whatever also christian bale's just a motherfucker that guy's great in everything he's great in everything you know you're watching you i'm sure you've seen um uh serial killer um what is it american psycho oh yeah oh my god and i i really that's a disturbing book man it's somehow or another way more fucked up in book form because it's way more graphic did you read it no brett easton i don't read fiction actually i've been meaning to oh really yeah i don't know why

it just doesn't attach to me that's really common There's a lot of people that don't. Really? Yes. Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher, they call Game of Thrones, they call it make-em-ups. They don't like fiction things because you can just make up anything. Oh, now a dragon comes and eats you. I love it on TV. And I don't know. i think that if i read more fiction i would have uh i think it would help my vocabulary and and um i'd be a better communicator possibly but i i just don't attach to it yeah i like it i like i like uh preposterous science fictiony type stuff i think that would be my way in yeah like stuff that dealing with physics and future and technology stuff i like horror ones too I was always a huge

Stephen King fan just because it's just such a escape you know like to read about something that's just fun but crazy you know you just get lost in someone else's ideas someone else's creativity and the only way they really get to express it fully is to just make up an entire world you know whereas like if someone i mean you obviously you're creative when you write a book about anything you could write a book about nature you could be a wildlife biologist that writes an amazing book about nature you could be creative and you're telling of these stories and make it exciting but this is kind of a difference to me when i'm listening to a song or i'm watching a movie or i'm reading a book

i always try to think this is someone's creativity like this is coming out of a person's brain yeah they invented this whole idea this premise yeah that's fascinating to me i don't have a mind for that for well you like people who are into like creating movies especially i think that's a very specific mindset yeah you know of like looking at all these different things and going oh yeah i'm gonna piece these together and i have to have an arc and i have to have you know i have to have a hero and i have to have this and i have to have a okay how do i how do i mix this up how do i make it good i know that's like when i watch when I watch like Christopher Nolan or or Quentin Tarantino or something like that, like the story is so good. I'll I'll like get teary eyed just at the story structure, you know, and and it'll end and be like, that was perfect.

That's exactly how it needed to end. And I'm blown away by that and jealous because I I can't imagine myself ever thinking of anything like that. Yeah, I know. There's some movies that you just walk out of there, you're like, I'm going to do better at whatever I do today because I saw that movie. Yeah. You know who used to tell me that all the time? It was Paul Mooney. Paul Mooney used to always say that when he wanted to write, he would go get entertained.

He goes, go see a show, go see a live show, go to the movies. He goes, go be entertained, and then you'll write better. Yeah, I mean, I thought that when I kind of got into doing more science stuff with my work, rather than just straight stand-up, I realized, well, if you want to be interesting, like read interesting things, be interested in interesting things, you know? It just fills that well. I want to talk to you about that, but before I before I talk, I don't want to forget about this. You, you, um, we were talking about what I think we say Kratom. I think we call Kratom. And, um, this is something that is in the news right now because

it's helped a lot of people overcome opiate addiction and they're about to make it Schedule 1, meaning that it has no medical use whatsoever. Right, right. Highly addictive, no medical use whatsoever. Are you going to take it right now live on this podcast? I'm going to take some right now. It's legal to do. Boy, they're going to get you retroactively. I know, I know.

The Statue of Limitations on Illegal Drugs. It takes like an hour to kick in, and this is a very mild dose. It is 1223 and 123. I'm going to start asking you weird questions. I'm already on some. Oh, you're already on some. You just taking this shit all day long? No.

I take it before I do podcasts. Oh, why? Well, I still have some pain management issues from an injury. Tell everybody about the injury because it's crazy. It's a crazy story. So I was, this was a couple of years ago, I was in the best shape of my life and I was rock climbing like three, four times a week and doing CrossFit and all this. And I was like, I've always been lanky like this my whole life.

And I actually had muscles for the first time in my life and just like felt like superman and and I was um supposed to be rock climbing it's on my birthday and um and there's some fires in Sedona where the rock climbing was supposed to be and so so we went for a hike instead just to see a little bit of Sedona as my first time there. And I was out with my friend Mikey. And he, so he, he was like this, he was like three, 400 pounds. I think he was like 400 pounds. Like his whole life he's been like hugely obese. And then he went on this diet that he just drank coffee with butter in it for like 40 days that's it that's all he ate yeah he cracked himself out and then he uh how much did he lose in 40 days like a thousand pounds like 200 pounds like he lost like all of his weight and then he was like a normal person that sounds

crazy i know he lost 200 pounds in 40 days i don't know if it was that much it was significant it was like well over 100 pounds in 40 days yeah and he um and then he so then he started doing like jujitsu and started like becoming active for like the first time in his life and and was like all excited about this and so he was like oh i have this there's this one shortcut that i want to take my my wife will never let me and so let's let's go and do that now and i let me take a shortcut because it was too high of a jump and then i and we got to this and um and i looked and i was like yeah that's too high and he was like so because he's been so huge his whole life, he has no idea of how high you can jump from. Like, you know, he's never been able to jump before. And I know because I'm an adrenaline junkie.

I love heights. I've been climbing trees and jumping off shit my whole life. And I was like, this is too high. And he's like, I think if we like climb down a little, it'll be okay. I'm like, I don't know. And I was wearing barefoot is too high. And he's like, I think if we climb down a little, it'll be okay. I'm like, I don't know. And I was wearing barefoot running shoes at the time. And then he was determined. He was going to do it.

And I was like, so it was jumping from a cliff onto another cliff. And so you couldn't roll. And if you landed it wrong and you rolled off, it was like death. Hundreds of feet. And so now I'm like, I'm going to watch this guy roll off this cliff because he's new to like physical activity. He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. And he's about to jump off this thing. That's too high.

On the other side, he's been carrying around an extra hundred plus pounds on his legs his whole life. His legs are probably strong as hell. Yeah, yeah, I imagine. And it was weird because he had weird skin hanging off everywhere and stuff from all the stretch marks and stuff. But he was determined. And I was looking at it and I was like, you know what? I think that I could make it. Oh, geez.

And then I can at least be there so he'd make sure he doesn't roll off this fucking cliff in front of me. And yeah, I mean, you know, it's one of those things you feel like a fool in hindsight. And I was like, you know, I've jumped off stuff higher than this. It's just that I'm wearing bad shoes and I can't roll. I'm going to have to take it with my feet. And I even told him, I was like, I'm going to be risking breaking a heel because I broke a heel once before when I was like a teenager. I love jumping off shit. And so, but it wasn't like the end of the world. I was like, you know, if that, if I break a heel, it won't, I'll still be able to get around. It's just like a couple month thing. And I, in my mind, this is the worst of what's going to happen. And so I went for it and I, and I jumped and I landed

and, um, and then, and I, as soon as I landed, I heard both of my heels break. Um, it just, the sound shot through my body and I heard it like it sounded like a branch like snapping underwater and and I I was I think I was in shock or something because I just kind of turned and looked at him I was like I just broke both my heels and I said it just like that and so he thought I was like joking so he is just about to I'm like no no no I really broke both my heels you're gonna have to go around and try to help me down. And I started making my way down. It took him like a half hour, 45 minutes to get to me. And I had to kind of, uh, do you remember when you're in school and gym class, did you have to do that crab walk thing where like your belly's facing the air? Um, so I had my left foot just was, was already like five times its size within like 30 seconds. And so I couldn't use that at all.

And then my right foot, I couldn't even tell if it was totally broken or if I just bruised it real bad, but I was able to use my toes, thankfully. And so I had to kind of like one-foot crab walk down. And then he got around to me and a couple people were trying to help me for a little bit but it's too steep for anyone to help me so i just kind of had to make it down on my own once we were at level ground which took like three hours um of just like it it was an exceptionally annoying uh i mean it was painful i i'd scoot down for a little bit and then i'd have to take a break for a few minutes and just like and just like roll around in the fetal position in pain.

And and then and he was like he was like, so this is his dumb idea. And on the way down, he's just like standing there like next to me, waiting me like trying to lighten the mood by telling me jokes and stuff. I'm like, dude, this is not the time for jokes. I am fucking pissed right now. And I was like, it's fine. It's gonna be fine. I just fucking need to focus and get through this. And got down, went to the hospital. I still, I mean, it hurt real bad. And we had to go to a second hospital because the one was too full. And then, I mean, I thought it was bad, but I thought, I was like, this is more than just a little break. This is like, this is a pretty big break.

And then the doctor came in, and he's like, this is really serious. And your heel's in like 20 pieces oh jesus do you have an x-ray so i could freak out yeah it's um it's actually the the online i i made an album about it called my big break that's the cover art as the x-ray of my heel so this is the x-ray post surgery it's got all the screws and plates in it yeah yeah um i don't know i imagine i have the originals around somewhere um and i'm maybe somewhere way back in my facebook you could see some of the scars and stuff like that it's real gross i'm not sure if you'd be able to find it or not um but uh so so they put these metal plates in it and kind of screwed in the pieces of the the bigger pieces of the bone that were still there like where they wanted them to be eventually because it's you can't

just put the bone it's like if you if you snap like a candy bar and try to put it together there's all these crumbs and stuff like that missing and so they just kind of put it in place where it was supposed to be and and um and they're like well hopefully it just kind of grows back and comes together right and um and it did really the real issue was so they um the way they did the surgery they told told me ahead of time. Just take your shoes off, ladies and gentlemen. It's a first. You see that? What am I looking at? Right here?

Yeah, what is that? That's from where they went in with the surgery. Oh, okay. So they said they didn't want to do the surgery at first because they were like, this is really complicated surgery, but if we don't do it, I don't think you're ever going to walk right again. Why did they not want to do it? They weren't qualified to do it? Is that the idea? No.

This guy was like, this guy, I got referrals, and this guy was like as good of, go further back than that. There's some real disgusting stuff. So they, just the area that it's in. And so there's this, it's like a 90 degree angle that they have to cut in in the corner of it oh there we go there that doesn't look good that and that was like that was like months and months later too that was like this is a post surgery this is like four months after the fact it looks like what it looked like dead tissue

yeah a lot of scar tissue and stuff so see where it's open there and that that corner ripped open there like i hope this corner doesn't rip open because this sometimes happens with this surgery and if it does you're going to be really susceptible to infection right and um so i had i couldn't when i i at the time i lived in malibu and my place had like 50 steps, and there's no way I could get up with groceries and everything with two broken feet. I could get around on crutches a little bit, but I ended up having to spend like three months in my parents have you know we don't have a safety net right and having no income and you know it's it was it was actually like i'm very grateful for my parents and everything but it's you know it's just embarrassing and you're like i i had to move in my parents basement i'm sure they understand though i mean this is not like you just you know

you're a loser and couldn't wake up on time right right lost your apartment you know this is just fuck man the worst part of it you to come to start walking again so after three months i got back on the road and um and there was still this this little kind of wound that had opened up wasn't healing. And then I started, it was just taking, they told me it was going to take like at least six months to like start walking. And it ended up taking much longer than that because so about four or five months in, I got on the road and then, um, and then a, a doctor thought that maybe I was getting just a topical infection and gave me some stuff that wasn't good enough for the infection. And then I started. So about four or five months later, I started having fevers.

And then I went into the hospital. And then they're like, you have a bone infection. And I was like, oh, God. Because they're like, this is really serious. Because that's when you can lose your foot and stuff. If they can't stop the infection, they just have to cut it off. and I was really thankful that I'd happened to sign up for the health care. This was right when the universal health care just came out. Otherwise, I'd be bankrupt from it, but it was still, certainly it was not perfect at all. They wouldn't let me do stuff out of state. I had to get myself back to California.

What do you mean by stuff out of state? You mean surgical procedure? Surgery and hospital checkups I had to pay. You had to do them in Californiaifornia because of your insurance yeah and so when i was in wisconsin i had to pay out of pocket for that and and it's like kind of not supposed to be that way either but there was the i mean i would i would call and try to and the insurance company would be like you need this one form okay i call this company and they'd be like yeah only doctors can get that form and so i'd tell my doctor and he'd be like no you can get that you have to go here and then it was like around and around sometimes i'd have to like pretend i was the

doctor when i was on the phone with people just to get this fucking form that i'd need and so i paid out of pocket so i was like you know getting medical bills that were piling up and so the second surgery what they did was they just cut out, they took out the hardware, that's what got infected, and then they kind of, where the holes were from the screws, they kind of drilled those out a little bit, and then they just cut off, they cut as big of a hole as they possibly could in my foot to suck out as much of the infection as possible

and so i thought i was going to be in a hospital for and i still hadn't walked at this point and then i thought i was going to be there like you'll be in a hospital for like a week and a half or so two weeks and i was like okay fine i like i'm in i finally someone's going to be like taking care of me we're just going to get this done right i. I have my computer. I was in good spirits and, and getting a lot of work done and stuff. And, um, and then like two days later, they were like, your insurance is saying that they think you're better and you need to go home. And now we need to show you how to like care for yourself. So they had to train me on how to, I had to give myself IV antibiotics three times a day. What?

Yeah, they had, they put lines in my arm and I had to like make sure that they were sanitary all the time and I'd have to get- Wait a minute. Hold on a second. That's a complex medical procedure, giving yourself an IV. Dude, I had to Google it. I fucking Googled how to do it. What's the name of your

insurance company um i don't know do i have the that's insane um the fact i'm trying so that's the other thing is i have like two different insurance companies so this is like health net and then there's like this lakeside and you don't know which one and i never know which one is like? And I never know which one is like, I'd call one and they'd be like, no, that's your other company. I'd call the other one, no, that's this company. It was just a year of dealing with this. So because of the fact that this was so expensive, they just decided to say, fuck this guy. Let's make him do all the medical stuff himself. Yeah, they were like.

I've never heard of that before. They were like, well, he's a young guy. He seems like he's in good spirits and healthy. He seems like a bright guy. Like he could take care of himself. I think it was the logic behind it. And so let's get him out of here because it's expensive. Could you fight it?

What's that? Could you fight it? I tried. I was like, what? I can't do this on my own. When they showed me what I had to do, it was... So once I get the IVs hooked up, and I'd have to figure out how to like get bubbles out of the lines and stuff like that. Like I was

googling how do you get bubbles out of the lines? Like, that's literally what I then I had to the first time they showed me what I had to do. I couldn't believe it. They're like, now watch this because you're gonna have to do this yourself. And then so this huge hole in my foot was packed full of gauze. And they started pulling out this gauze. I didn't know how big the hole was at first. But then it was like one of those magic scarves that kept on coming. And then they're like, so you're going to need to take this out. And then look in here.

Look in your hole. You're going to need to clean it out and like clean off your bone and stuff oh every day you can see your bone oh yeah i had to like scrub it off and then and then i had to pack it full of shit again and all this with like wearing gloves and a face and a and a mask and everything like that and and then i and then i'd have to like put a rubber thing on to to take a shower i had to do this three times a day and then i couldn't sleep either because i needed the iv antibiotics had to be every eight hours and it took two hours to do them and so i could never get like a full eight hour rest so i was like it took two hours to set it up uh it took two hours for the iv fluids to go in to kick in yeah okay

yeah yeah so you have to do but you can't oh so i'd hang up these bags and stuff i'd hook up the ivs then i'd spend 20 minutes with my foot hole and then and then after after like a few weeks of that see they would always be like okay we can get you another home visit or something like that. It would be like a week after I actually needed it. Because then I got this vacuum suction cup thing that they put on my feet. And it just kind of sucks all the infection stuff out and closes up gets gets rid of it and closes up and and creates like blood flow into that area so it generates the things actually work amazingly well but but so then i had this device and like a vacuum and i started performing again i'd have to like take this vacuum

off myself and like close up my fucking foothold and then go on stage and perform and then get off and put this vacuum back on. And, and, uh, uh, I, I remember cause I had before I, before I, um, I went through a big breakup, um, before I broke my feet. And when I, and I had been in like 12 years of relationships. And so I was like, I'm not dating for a year. I had been in like 12 years of relationships and so I was like I'm not dating for a year I'm not gonna have sex I'm not gonna think about women for a year I'm just gonna get my head straight and I did that it was great got tons of work done and then then when I started getting back into things you broke your feet it was uh no I had already I broke my feet during this time which which helped when like you don't have a sex drive when both of your feet are broken.

And, um, and then, but when I started getting back into it and like, I remember I brought a girl back, back to my hotel when I still had this fucking vacuum on my foot. And I was just like, it was fucking awkward. And I hadn't had sex in like a year or two so i'm like trying to figure out how to have sex again i got a fucking vacuum attached to my foothold what was your health like i mean what kind of like energy levels did you have it would seem like if you're going through your body's trying to repair itself for such a long period of time it has to wear on you right yeah i i mean it was it was more just the depression of it all and the stress

was was harder than i i was getting plenty of sleep and stuff but it was it was a depressing time but ultimately it was kind of it was kind of good in a way um character building and some a little bit i mean i mean i got a good album out of it. So, I mean, when I started in Boston, when I started doing comedy, I was fearless. I would do the ballsiest stuff, always trying new material. And I just did not give a shit. And I got a lot of attention for it. And I caught some breaks early on. And once I started making money and doing the road, was like then you're worried about like getting

negative comment cards and all this shit and that's like my livelihood and and it was it was just watering down what i was doing and i wasn't fearless on stage anymore um and and so after breaking my feet and having three months of my parents house it kind of was just like i don't give a fuck anymore i'm just doing exactly what i want to do and it was it was uh it really created a change in in my career i thought that album and like the new act that i'm doing now are the best that i've ever been how long ago was the incident and then i about one year in i started using a cane and then that's when i that was really hard when i started using a cane because i was like yes light at the end of the tunnel and then i realized oh every other step that i take

for the rest of my life i think is going to hurt just every other step. And so it's like always. That's why that's why I take Kratom before a podcast, because there's always like a part of my brain that can't stop talking. That can't stop thinking about my stupid fucking foot. So is it is it hurting you right now? No, right now it feels fine. But when you walk here. Well, the Kratom helps but if i if

i'm not on that most days it's just like having a pretty sore foot and then some days like probably now it's it's coming along better than i thought it would actually about three days out of a month i have like this streak and i don't know what causes it i don't know if it's inactivity the weather whatever i have a streak of like three days where I can just, where I should be using a cane again, where if you saw me, you'd be like, what's wrong with that guy? Years later. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Oh, about a year and a half after I started using a cane. So I was on a cane for about six months and then I started going without the cane and just using it sometimes.

six months and then I started going without the cane and just using it sometimes and uh yeah so it's been quite an ordeal are you uh doing any exercising actually um as crazy as this might sound I got back into rock climbing um I know I know how that sounds hear me out I I only do indoor stuff so here's what I can't do I can't run or jump i can't do any quick activities and i couldn't i couldn't do like squats or anything like that on it um but what i can do is slow deliberate movement that will help with flexibility right now it's mostly flexibility and mobility issues and nerve damage issues like the bones totally fine can you um stand on your tippy toes um can you stand on the balls of your feet i can a little bit on my bad foot i can't do like a i can't do a calf raise like a one-legged calf raise on

could you could you bend down with your heels up? Could you go all the way down? Could you stay on the balls of your feet and then go down like a squat position with your heels off the ground? A little bit. What I was thinking, there's a thing called a Hindu squat. And what a Hindu squat is, it's a bodyweight squat. And I'm a big proponent of it. I love them. I do them all the time.

And I do them in sets of like 150, 160. Sometimes when I'm in really good them. I do them all the time. And I do them in sets of like 150, 160. Sometimes when I'm in really good shape, I do 200 at a time. And then I do, this is my main leg workouts. I do those and then I do kettlebell squats afterwards. But the thing about the Hindu squats is it's all body weight. You don't use any weight. Sometimes I put a weight vest on, but most of the time I don't do any weight. But if you look at that diagram up there, you see when you go down, your heels come off the ground. Your hands go behind your heels. And then as you go up, your hands stay parallel to the floor in front of you. So as you go up, you push off with the balls of your feet, not with your heel.

So as opposed to a regular squat, if you had weight behind your back with a bar that weight would be on your heel you would actually like concentrate on keeping it on your heel concentrate on keeping your you know when i do squats like with weight i look up i always look straight up so i make sure that my spine's in alignment but there's a lot of weight on your heel there yeah yeah the squats no actually that doesn't the weight on the heel that like the heels totally fine um it's it's more of a mobility issue and and like all the tendons and stuff like that that they went through during the surgery and all the nerve damage from it so like actually going up on my toes is is one of the harder parts maybe it'd be a good thing to break everything up in there yeah it when i do like a really intense hike um my foot feels better oh man yeah yeah well you should definitely do these then yeah i guarantee you they would help i want to get on the fucking

joe rogan program tell me uh give me a rundown everything i need to do i want to start uh i i was in the best shape of my life and and this whole thing made me fall out of all of it, and I would love to get back there again. I guarantee you, if it's just a mobility issue, if you don't have actual pain in your heel, I bet you can get back to it. Because I know a lot of guys have plates all over their body. Yeah, yeah. They have all sorts of different things holding their bones together, and they get back into

full shape. Yeah, and I do. I need to break up the scar tissue and all that kind of stuff. This is, see this woman here? Okay, she's doing it wrong because you're actually supposed to go on the balls of your feet and you're supposed to drop your ass all the way down to the back of your calves. People doing YouTube things don't know how to do it right. There's a guy named Matt Fury. He's kind of an odd duck, but he's a big proponent of them. He's got a bunch of videos of him doing it online. Here you go. That's how you do it. See how this guy, as he goes down, his heels come off the

ground and then he touches the ground in a circular motion and then he brings his arms parallel in front of him. These are great. I think I could do that. They're super easy for like the first 10 and then 20 gets a little harder and then 30 gets a little harder and then 40 gets a little harder. And then you start hitting like 90 and you go, okay, I got 60 more of these motherfuckers to go. And then, you know, your legs get super fatigued. But that's like what I like to do for legs. I start off with kettlebell swings just to sort of get everything loosened up. I do it light for a couple sets.

Then I do heavy ones and then uh from there everything's all warmed up and loosened up then i get into those hindu squats and i just do because i feel like that's something that's always hard to do like um i went hiking uh in nevada with um a couple friends of mine that were very fit my friend dan dodie who was uh we were doing a TV show up there, and he was the cameraman. And he was much better than me at doing these hill things, and I was realizing while I was doing it, like, God damn it, this is a very specific thing. Like, if you do it all the time, if you, like, cameramen especially, they get in some really incredible shape when they do these outdoor shows, because they're constantly carrying this camera and walking around so like if you were doing a show on hiking and you had a guy following you this guy has to follow you all the stuff you're doing plus he's carrying a big ass fucking camera as he's sitting there shooting what's supposed to be you doing some impressive

thing yeah i'm the one with exactly 60 pounds he's the real athlete. But just the ability to pick your body up and down, like, for long periods of time, just hiking. You know, like, you could lift weights, and you could do a lot of stuff that you feel like, oh, I'm in pretty good shape. But it's the monotonous grind of hours and hours of going up hills. You go, whoa, this is something different. Well, it also, with hiking your your foot goes in all these unpredictable angles and that that is what's helping the most like i i do stretches and stuff like that but i i feel like the stretches i'm not mixing it up enough like i do uh yoga has been helping when i got back into rock climbing my gym had a yoga class so i was able to do that again

balance on one foot um a little bit not very well does it get shaky or yeah like my my also i mean fortunately it was my dominant leg that got hurt so i think it will keep on recovering well um because there's a little more strength to start with but my calf is pretty atrophied and everything so it's i just also have to get a lot of strength back which is um i've also kind of been when i fell out exercising, I've been a little lazy about it too. Isn't that interesting how easy that is to do? Like, even for me, like, I've been exercising my whole life, but if I take a few days off, I know I have to get back to it. Yeah.

But part of me is like, come on, man, fuck this. I've never been an exercise guy, but I was probably working out, like, doing something about three hours a day. Like, rock climbing. That's crazy. Or swimming. That's amazing. Or jogging. Or CrossFit.

Or doing some boxing stuff. Yeah, it was like, I was just, like, on a kick. Because I also had, I had quit drinking, which I drink again now. But I had quit drinking and smoking cigarettes. And so I was. Do you smoke cigarettes now um i'm vaping now i i started after i started drinking again cigarettes followed shortly after and then i so i've been smoking cigarettes for about a year which i fucking can't stand cigarettes and so i've been vaping and i'm hoping in like three months i'll be able to go from vaping to chew i don't think

i want to do the dip i tried dip recently it gives you quite a buzz yeah it's interesting stuff actually accidentally swallowed it um but here's a one of the most interesting things that i learned from the injury was was how how your physical health or well-being alters your your perception of the world like i um have you ever heard of this study they they do like the hot and cold cup study where they have someone come in to fill out a survey you know that's what they tell them and then a person gets in an elevator and they uh and there's a there's someone in there like confederate an actor is in there that's like here my hands are full could you hold this cup for me and it's either like a hot cup of coffee or whatever or a cold drink and the person's like sure takes the

drink goes up the elevator gets off gives it back to them you know says bye goes in takes the survey and then afterwards and this is what it's actually about. Afterwards, they go, did you meet anyone on the way in? And actually someone, I met someone in the elevator. And then they'll be like, so can you describe that person? And if they had the hot drink, they would more often describe them as being warm or friendly. And if they had the cold drink, they would describe them as cold or distant. And the idea is that the way our brains evolved these higher of what like being distant as a personality trait

or whatever means has to be built over this pre-existing kind of uh five senses kind of software and um and so so there's all these metaphors for things so you call someone like bright or you say we're having a deep conversation or someone's shallow. So a lot of these ways in which we describe life is, is kind of used through these physical metaphors. And I remember when I, when I broke my feet, I remember thinking the whole fucking world is broken. Like I remember thinking like I was on, I was going down this mountain for like three three hours and I wasn't just worried about my feet I was also like in the fucking political system is it like everything just seemed broken like the whole world and then I also remember after I got the

second surgery after the bone infection and stuff and having to change all this i remember feeling like like something like this nagging feeling that i couldn't get over i was like something's like missing from my life there's just this deep like hole like somewhere in my soul in my life and then one day i realized i'm like oh there's a fucking hole in my foot there's an actual hole in my foot that's what's missing and and just how much that that your your physical senses can alter what your perception of the world is for sure how you feel physically yeah changes how you interact with other people it changes how people perceive you it changes the kind of conversations you have because maybe you'll have more enthusiasm or energy or friendliness or whatever it is when you engage with people yeah then you can have two

broken feet and they can give you morphine you can be like oh life's fine this is gonna be great morphine yeah yeah how do you go from morphine to this kratom stuff oh this kratom stuff i just discovered like three weeks ago i haven't i haven't taken painkillers and this isn't, I don't know. I think the research is out on it. I'm not saying people should do Kratom. It's working for me. Do you ever try cannabis, edible cannabis? Yeah, I like edibles.

I'm not a big weed smoker. I probably smoke like twice a week maybe at the most. That's hilarious. That's only in California can you say that. I'm not a big weed smoker. I take days off. I have like, I probably, yeah, probably once or twice a week I have like a hit of weed. Okay.

But edibles help a bit. And the CBDs, I don't know if, I can't tell if the CBDs are helping or not. It seems like they do a little bit. But I'm still experimenting with some of that stuff the kratom i just i was just in um i i was in wilmington north carolina uh doing this dead crow club and i had i was when i'm doing lots of stand-up and on my feet in one place is when it seems to have a lot of trouble. And I was just, like, bitching about it because I was just having, it was one of those three days where I was just having a rough few days with it.

And they were like, you should go to the Kratom Bar. I was like, what's that? Kratom Bar? There's a bar? Yeah, they have these bars that they have, like, Kava and Kratom and stuff. And so I went, pretty skeptical, especially when something's legal. I'm like, eh, okay, that's not going to do anything. skeptical especially when something's legal i'm like okay that's not gonna do anything um and i i had some and right away it was uh uh it like within an hour i was like oh my foot feels perfect right now and i walk just like a normal person um when i'm on the stuff i'm a little

skeptical i imagine i imagine there's some addictive uh i i had a scientist send me a paper about it and i guess there are some side effects i haven't read them all yet but it's just not near what like any other painkiller why are they making it a schedule one is there a real issue that people could die from it or is there what's the ld50 with his which is if people don't know lethal dose at 50 meaning that if you give a hundred rats a certain amount, 50% of them are going to die at a certain... Yeah, I have no idea. I haven't done enough research into it.

And I imagine it's not that well studied, which I understand why the FDA or whatever can't just have companies making who knows what they're putting in a bottle. I get that. can't just have companies making you know who knows what they're putting in a bottle right i get that um but but i mean if you look at what people are saying about kratom people that people that are trying to manage their pain and nothing else works or everything else is really addictive or makes them woozy or whatever like this stuff is like i I feel like very energetic and enthusiastic and just sharper than normal when I do it. How does it help people get off of opiates? Because it's a partial opiate.

Partial opiate? Yeah, yeah. I don't know exactly what that means. But you take this stuff all the time. How come you're not like reading things on it? I don't take it all the time. Seems like you're a smart guy. Yeah, I've probably taken it like 15 times now. That's it? Yeah, yeah, something like reading things on it. Um, I, I don't take it all. Smart guy. Yeah.

Probably taken it like 15 times now. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Okay. Um, you took it twice in front of me. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I call that once. Um, we'll count that as one. I, it's going to be illegal next month. So I'm like, I'm going to try this stuff and see how it feels. What's the justification? Is there any justification for the Schedule 1 classification? Is it something that people need to worry about?

I mean, if you look at how the DEA just didn't reschedule marijuana, which is, think about it. If you're them, if you reschedule marijuana, it's basically like you're saying, hey, should we just get rid of our own jobs? Should we just make a law that gets rid of our jobs? And that's a cynical way of looking at it. That's a cynical way of looking at it. The people who aren't aware of the reality of all the facts and statistics, they will look at you and go, well, that's ridiculous hippie bullshit. But no, no, it's not. No, that is what's going on and the there's no way there's no other way around it

yeah i mean the the the maps um organization which is actually sponsoring my tour that i'm doing they when i've had them on that is maps a multidisciplinary association of psychedelic studies um and they're they're the ones doing like the MDMA trials and stuff for PTSD and whatnot. And they say they actually like working with the FDA. Like the FDA is not the problem at all. It's the DEA. Well, a bunch of cops. Yeah, yeah.

A bunch of, listen, one of the big issues with medical marijuana or legalizing marijuana is prison guard unions, which is kind of hilarious. Yeah. It's like they're literally trying to keep things illegal so that they keep their jobs so they have more hours. It's crazy. It's, again, one of those things that shouldn't be legal, just like advertising drugs. hired a team of like scientists and all of these different different politicians and different different experts in different fields to um advise him and then they advised him to not schedule it to have it be legal and focus on treatment for things and he was like nope we're doing we got to get rid of these hippies well that's what it really and this was something

that came out over the last year i don't know it was a freedom of information act or whatever it was but they released some papers that showed that what the drug war was truly all about was the civil rights movement and the hippies the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement and that they were trying to attack the leaders of the civil rights movement and the leaders of the anti-war movement and one thing they all had in common was marijuana so they were and lsd yeah and mushrooms i'm sure too so that's when the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 was passed it was all passed under the guise of attacking the political forces that were trying to take nixon out of office nixon was such a piece of shit he was such a horrible horrible piece of shit when you really when you go back and see what that guy did and

who he was and what he stood for, it's wow. When you're getting impeached or have to resign, wouldn't you go back and look at the things that he did and be like, you know what, maybe we do a redo on that whole presidency and whatever he did, we re-examine that. Yeah, all the different things that he was involved in yeah they should have gone over every one of his everything that he passed with a fine-tooth comb but you had a crook in office i'm not a crook he was a real crook real scary guy i i have a i have my take on on why all of that happened was because of psychedelics psychedelics have this testable effect on on um

a person's openness so if uh like there's a big five personality indicator that's it's not perfect by any means but uh it's it's used quite a bit in psychology so you have conscientiousness like i'm low in conscientiousness i'm a very disorganized person and kind of messy. Agreeableness, I'm a little low in agreeableness. I like to argue with people and stuff. And then there's stability or sometimes called neuroticism in the middle there. And then there's extroversion also in the middle. And then there's openness. So if you're very high in openness, that means not only are you not averse to novelty or you can't get enough of it, you love new restaurants, traveling, meeting new people, going on adventures. And the side effect is you're the kind of person that maybe ends up not having respect for authority and ends up getting in trouble with the law or you're a little overly spontaneous or a little too adventurous and you break your feet or whatever it might be are you a tarot card reader um yeah

i know it sounds a lot like tarot cards and really some of these things shouldn't be taken much more seriously than tarot cards but no i think it does do a nice job of you so you ask you ask people questions like um do you consider yourself a clean person like Like strongly agree, strongly disagree, wherever in between. And so you're filling out questions like that, and that's how it's kind of determining. And it's self-evaluation, which there's problems there. Or there's a website called Apply Applesauce. You go to it and plug it in, and it goes through everything you've liked on Facebook and kind of determines your personality traits based on that.

So if you're really low on openness, you're like the kind of person that's always been in their hometown, kind of, why go anywhere else? This is great. Traveling is scary to you. Your country's the best. You haven't been to other countries, but you know that your country is the best. And whatever church you're brought up in is absolutely the right one. The other ones kind of sound ridiculous. And outsiders are very scary. And one thing that psychedelics have been pretty well studied to do now is that a single dose of psychedelics will, for a good amount of time, often a year, sometimes for the rest of your life, you'll be more open. You'll rate higher in openness for the rest of your life. So people were doing more psychedelics at this time. And they were,

and so if you're low in conscientious, or if you're low in openness, you're like, you're often a pillar of the community because you love laws, like laws are your favorite, you have this nice little playbook that you can live life by, and you wish they were stricter, so more people would follow them. So if you're a lawmaker, these are your favorite people. And then if these people were, you know, young and in college and like, oh, what the heck, everyone else is doing that. And then all of a sudden becoming more open and starting to question authority. I think it did play a little bit of a factor in, in, um, a little bit of the civil rights movement. So you think this was a conscious decision by the powers that be to try to limit psychedelics

because they were worried specifically about people becoming more open? No, I don't think that they understood that's what was happening. I think that psychedelics had this effect. I don't think the government knows a lot. I don't think they do either. But they did do those. There's quite a lot of tests that went on, especially with LSD, with the military. that went on with especially with LSD with the military and then of course there was the Harvard the very famous Harvard LSD studies which there's a good

argument created Ted Kaczynski I'm sure you're aware of that right you know the the was the German documentary I believe it's called the net it was all highlighted how Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber was a part of these LSD studies at Harvard they fucking fried that dude's brain. He went to Berkeley. He was probably crazy already, but he went to Berkeley, became a professor, hoarded off all his money,

just saved enough money to implement his plan, and then bought that little cabin in the woods and started killing people who were involved in technology. Because he was convinced, because of his LSD trips, that, and really, he's right. Well, he was an exceptionally bright guy is that that that's that was what was kind of peculiar and very scary about him like he was he was a genius well that's how they found him out his brother recognized his crazy rambling scribe from the manifesto

his brother recognized the manifesto and probably is thinking it might be his brother anyway because when his brother came back from the lSD trips, apparently he was absolutely convinced that technology was going to be the end of mankind, that we had to stop it in its tracks, that it was this like Trojan horse and that people were creating all this technology, but he was extrapolating. He was seeing the future and seeing everything. And he's right. He's right. I mean, this is one of the things we're talking about today as AI becomes more and more of a reality you know even elon musk that the famous speech that he said that we're summoning the demon like this is essentially what ted kaczynski saw he's just his crazy fucking head he said the way to fix this is to kill people right right technology i mean

good idea poor execution um well not even a good idea. Just an odd reality of the possibilities of the future. Yeah. Well, so to clarify, just so I'm not coming off like I think it's a conspiracy, I don't think the government

knew any of this stuff. I don't think anyone knew a lot of these effects. I think like a lot of these cultural memes or laws that happen is just kind of something that just kind of happened, an idea that was stumbled upon happen is just kind of something something that just kind of happened an idea that was stumbled upon that just kind of ended up working in the interest of the

lawmakers yeah so so i think people happened to start taking more psychedelics because you know they're they're popularized for therapy use and whatnot so so it just happened to be that people started doing psychedelics and it happened to be during the civil rights movement time. And when people did take psychedelics, and people didn't know this at the time, happened to be opening themselves up and questioning authority more, because that's what they happened to make you do. And then all of a sudden, there's a lot more troublemakers out there for the government.

And then they associate those two together. Also, that's one of the things that i find interesting i think it was timothy leary said this but apparently terence mckenna asked timothy leary and he denied that he ever said it so no one knows who said it but it was one of those guys during that time said that lsd has been known to create uh to cause people to go oh lsd has been known to cause people who don't take it to go crazy yeah like yeah yeah that's a fun way of paraphrasing it's more elegant than that yeah but um that was uh that's really the way it is like i know so many people that don't smoke pot and when they hear i smoke pot all the time they're like what you smoke pot all the time

like how do you get things done like potheads are lazy i'm like you're saying that but you don't smoke pot like how can you say that yeah i think it and it affects everyone differently i know people that function at very high levels and pretty much only do when they're when they're on weed like if they if they stop taking pot they become it like they become like dumbed down like it helps them i don't know if it's a dependency or whatnot but but some people it like motivates them and they can clean the house they can take care of shit and uh it doesn't have that effect on me it makes me a little paranoid it makes me it dulls me down a little bit i feel like hmm but edibles i like edibles don't have that effect well do different uh strains have an effect on you differently? I can't tell.

I mean, I feel like I've tried a bunch of different strains, and I can't find anything that... I like to, at the end of the night, have a hit of weed if I'm by myself and watch a movie or something like that. Or if I'm just hanging out with a friend watching a movie. In a social situation, the reason why I wouldn't want to smoke weed before doing this podcast is because I would worry that I would get in my head too much and be overanalyzing things. Well, also, when you're doing something like this, it's being broadcast. Like if you and I were just hanging out and we smoked a joint together, we could say ridiculous shit. Sure, yeah, we could smoke a joint together. That's one of the things that we've done on this podcast a million times just just do it and then you know people you say ridiculous shit and say oh my god it's so ridiculous and then people realize oh everybody gets retarded when they smoke pot it's

not like just me yeah yeah but i think that there's um there's some people like you that say that that different strains don't affect them any differently. I don't know that they don't. I just can't figure out what it is. For me, there's a real big difference, particularly with the cushes, any serious indicas. They have almost like a narcotic effect on me. I enjoy it. I enjoy it, but it's not what I would smoke before I would go on stage.

See, when I now i so here's the other problem i guess with my uh the way that i smoke when i first started when i first got my medical marijuana card went into this amazing the first time you walk into a dispensary is like yes oh my god the future um and i you know went crazy i spent like 700 bucks give me like money's no object give me i want the finest of every kind of everything that you had have and then i realized that what happens when you smoke the best of the best is you have for me i have one hit and then i can't i can't i'm in a coma one hit one hit and I am out or I'm like crazy paranoid. But so now what I do is I just get, usually if I'm going to get weed rather than edibles,

I just get stuff out of the shake jar that's like five bucks a gram or whatever. This is the new shit, son. What is it? Edible breath spray. Is it like a CBD or is it? No, no, no, no, no. No, this will change your fucking life. This has, it's 1,000 milligrams.

I don't know how it works, but you're only supposed to take six pumps and you get 1,000 milligrams or something. I don't know. The whole thing is 1,000 and it's about six milligrams per spray. This one is 175. Oh, then that's a smaller one. there's different smaller size like 375 milligram the whole bottle is that much but i think six milligrams of spray yeah yeah can i try it yep that's probably i think there's some under my tongue and then i think there's some that are more potent this one's the most potent anyway this one that's the most potent this is a thousand

this is like a thousand milligram brown you're not supposed to eat the whole thing at one time you're supposed to take like a nibble well he makes a 1500 too which is really problematic what i like about edibles is is how it's measured and there seems to be like a little difference in between brands and stuff but i know five milligrams nothing milligrams, just kind of feel a little good. Fifteen milligrams, I'm starting to get high. Twenty, now I'm high. Twenty-five, now I'm really high. And I don't do more than that.

I took ten sprays and then did a podcast. And I was shit in my pants. I think I might have done twelve. I might have done twelve. Twelve sprays and I did a podcast where the whole time I was doing the podcast, I was skiing downhill, just hoping I didn't have to change. Like I hoping I didn't have to turn or avoid another skier.

I was like, Oh Jesus. Oh Jesus. Stay up. Just stay up. Yeah. I, uh, I, I've been high on stage probably 20 times in my, I've been doing comedy for like 12 years or something like that and I probably had 10 of those times where I felt like I was giggly and having fun and it helped the show

and then I had 10 of those times where I was just like I couldn't think straight I couldn't remember anything and it's just not worth the risk for me it It's a total crapshoot. Yeah. One time I said the setup of one joke with the punchline of another joke. And at the time, it was just a really hot audience and I was doing really well. And at the time they laughed and I was like,

I realized why. I was like, wait a second. What are you guys laughing at? And then I went back and I told both jokes and explained why I screwed up. So I was like, so I don't know what the fuck are you guys laughing at? And then I went back and I told both jokes and explained why I screwed up. So I'm like, so I don't know what the fuck you guys were laughing at.

Because what I said made no sense. Maybe it was just my inflection was funny or something like that. Wow, that's funny. Yeah. Maybe they didn't want to seem stupid. Yeah, yeah. It's like one of those Dennis Miller things.

Yeah, yeah. You laugh at his reference. Oh, yes. You know what was a heartbreaker for me? Somebody told me he doesn't really know what he's talking about, that he just comes up with these really obscure references because they work well in a joke form. Really?

Norm MacDonald told me that. He was like, yeah, he doesn't even know those things. I went, what? Come on. Yeah, there is. I just had a podcast talking with a guy. One of the reasons why we laugh at things is because you're because you're, you're conveying that you have that same knowledge, you know,

that you get it, that you understand the context for it or whatever. It's like advertising that you also know this. Well, you want to be in with a cool crowd. Yeah. Cool crowd knows the joke. Ah,

that's hilarious. Yeah. Why is it hilarious, Shane? Because I want you to like me. I know that's hilarious yeah why is it hilarious shane because i want you to like me i know that's it's weird that a lot of the some and and i have plenty of movie references and stuff now but it just it seems like a lot of the the uh quote-unquote like smart comedy these days is just like movie references it's like well why is that a lot of TV. Like, I don't get why that's smart that you know of this obscure show. Like, you just watch too much TV.

You go into alt rooms or something? Is that what that is? That happens in alt rooms. That's kind of. But, I mean, I like alt rooms as well. But I see that sometimes where I'm like, that's just a movie that no one knows about that you watched. Like, I don't get why that's smart. That's not like indicative of intelligence.

It's just like, ooh, other people don't know that, so it seems like it's smart. Right, you're clever because you remembered something. Right. That's pointless. Yeah. That was a complete waste of time. So back to this Kratom stuff, where do you buy it? You can get it at any head it um you can get it on

a head shop or you can get it online for about another week that is so crazy and so now when it once it becomes schedule one then it's like pot or heroin like if you get caught with it you're going to jail yeah i don't i mean the schedules don't necessarily affect what the penalties are like you'll get more trouble for a schedule 2 cocaine than you will a Schedule 1 marijuana. Right. But, so I don't know what the actual penalties will be for it, but yeah, I think it will be a Schedule 1. So they then have to establish penalties,

but do they establish penalties based on science? I mean, do they have any logic behind what they're saying? No. I mean, I don't think they establish any penalties based on science. I don't think our prison system, based on science i don't think our prison system i think if the scientists were running the prison system they would get scrap it and start all over it'd be about reforming and rehabilitation which is what it's supposed to be about right and uh yeah i don't think i don't think we're doing great science with our prison

system in any way yeah the whole thing is just one person telling another person what they can and cannot put in their body where you can't demonstrate that it's hurting anybody else but that person to me that's like okay if that's the case well why is it okay to rock climb because rock climbing is obviously dangerous why is it okay to bungee jump why is it okay to jump out of airplanes that stuff's all legal but you can't take this kratom stuff and you can i mean you can uh where is it that they that they use those bullet ants and like put them on their hands yeah and like you can trip doing that from the pain the pain's so intense that they trip like they do with this during ceremonies.

You can run a marathon and get into a transcendental state because your body's going through such torture that it goes into this different part of your brain that pushes you through it. And, I mean, you can hallucinate from lack of sleep. For like six months of my life, I was trying to do the thing where every two hours you sleep for like 20 minutes or whatever. For how long did you do that? Like six months. Really? Um, yeah, I like trying like crazy, weird, different things. And, um, I go on all these weird, different kicks.

Um, it was a nightmare. I started hallucinating after a while. So explain every two hours you sleep for 20 minutes. Yeah, but I would set the alarm for like 20 minutes. That's so ridiculous. You know, so it was before I was a comedian, and I was working third shift in a factory. And then at the same time, I was going to school, like just tech school for like a backup plan. I wanted to be a comedian, but I was also like very scared and didn't know how to start. And, and so I was taking like 16 or 18 credits or something

like that. And, and then, and I also had a social life. So I was every two hours, I just had a time to take a nap. And the crazy thing was, it all ran together. So if I, if i was in there for a lecture on monday and then and then on friday there was a test on it it was as if i just heard it it was like it was all one day it was like yeah we just talked about this wow yeah it was really weird and then i tried taking like supplements and stuff like that to like do energy boosting things and um then one day I got anal leakage from all these supplements I was taking. And then I decided to stop doing that. It was just like a tan, like an oily.

Like a shit oil? Yeah, like a shit oil. And I was like, you know what? this isn't worth it and i and i dropped out of school then jesus christ and started sleeping regularly and i've had a weird life say if you went out like at nine o'clock at night you and your friends went out would you just go somewhere at 11 and take a nap uh yeah yeah i couldn't go out that often but then that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Where's Shane?

Shane went to take his 20 minutes. Yeah. And then two hours later, hey, you guys want to eat? No, I got to take a nap. But I'll be back. I'll meet you guys there. The thing was, if you didn't follow the schedule really strictly is when you'd get fucked. So if I did end up having some drinks or something like that and hanging out with friends and not doing that nap, or if I was at work and I wouldn't get my break when I was supposed to, it would really fuck me up.

And I started hallucinating when I was driving. I fell asleep behind the wheel once and almost crashed my car, went into a ditch and was able to drive out of it. And so I put an end to that experiment. But yeah, I couldn't believe i did it for as long as i did looking back on it it's like it didn't seem that crazy to me at the time i don't know why so what is that what is uh 12 hours at 20 minutes because it's half it's double right every every two hours so 12 hours at 20 minutes so you're you're essentially sleeping and so yeah like four hours a day i guess and but by doing it in these long stretches where two hours then 20 minutes two hours and 20 minutes you never really get into like heavy REM sleep or no i don't think so i mean i would i would

start to i would like wake up in a little bit of a dream state wow yeah yeah that's weird weird don't recommend it you did it for six months. That's amazing that you have that kind of stick-to-itiveness. When I get focused on something. I guess. But yeah, I mean, the point is, there's a million ways to trip. You can't stop people from tripping. Have you done the holotropic breathing thing? No, but I just started hearing about this recently.

Can you explain it to me? I've never done it. My friend Aubrey's done it several times. There's a, there's people who really know how to do it correctly. There's a couple of different ways. Is this that Wolfen or what's that guy's name? No,

no, Wim Hof. Wim Hof. Similar. You know, Wim Hof has some pretty, there's some psychedelic aspects to his breathing technique. I think too.

It definitely puts you in a state of mind, but the holotropic breathing thing, somehow or another, it forces your body into a psychedelic state. I've had actually a couple people that have done it. It takes a while, but through this specific style of breathing, see if you can find it, Jamie, so we could tell people what the fuck we're talking about. I haven't done it, obviously. But I know of several people who do kundalini yoga who have also done DMT. And they say that through kundalini practice, when you get deep into it on a regular basis, when you do it daily, you can achieve DMT-like states on the natch. Well, since doing DMT now, if I eat mushrooms, I can meditate myself into a DMT state for like five to ten minutes.

While you're on mushrooms? Uh-huh. I did mushrooms in a float tank recently. Holla. I recommend that. And that was, I don't know if it's because of how much DMT I do or whatever, but that was like a DMT trip to me. Yeah.

It was like, but a little more controlled, and I could pop out of it any time that I wanted to, but that was like four four i mean it would take me like five minutes to get into it um and then um within five minutes i mean i had music playing inside of my head and like these crazy like dmt stories happening in different worlds that i was seeing and like palaces and, and like other areas with like scary, weird clowns and stuff like that. I was, I mean, I was, it was the best trip of my life and it was like full on hallucinations

because I did float tanks a couple of times, just sober and I never really saw anything. I didn't like hallucinate or anything. It was just kind of like meditation on steroids. I felt like. It is that definitely like meditation on steroids, but float tanks are something where the more comfortable you get with the more the experience the easier you slip into it so the the quicker you slip into it into like when i go into it i've done it so many times now because it's in my house that i lay down and my body goes up here we go again good time good times just relax yeah like i've done it like it's not like oh my god i can't believe i'm floating like

those states of mind that you get to when you're in that, I can't believe I'm floating thing. It takes you a while to relax. You're floating around. You're bumping against a wall. You're trying to center yourself. I think that state though combined with the mushrooms has got to be an accelerant. Yeah. So you've done that?

Mushrooms and float tank? Yeah. And did it bring on hallucinations for you as well? The strongest hallucinations, honestly, is from too much edibles. I've had too much edibles where I went into the tank where I just got to, oh, my God, I'm going to die. And you get in there and I just have had full blown. I had this one insane, intense experience where I felt like I was in a jungle, like I was in a jungle and I was walking through the jungle with these people and they were all speaking a language and I understood

the language. And in my mind, I was thinking in their language. And then I realized it. I went, oh my God, I'm thinking in this other lane and then I'm out of it yeah and it went away but for the brief few moments where it happened i mean i could remember feeling the the dew on the ground and feeling the leaves under my feet and walking through the jungle with these people there's a lot of folks that believe that the reason why we have instincts the reason why you know like an animal comes out of its mother's body immediately goes to the breast and instinctively starts sucking. There's certain data that's just encoded in our body. And what it comes from is the experiences of all the different beings that existed before us that bred and eventually became us.

That this is just mass database of experiences and all your ancestors and they're all sort of collected together so the idea is that occasionally you can tap into some distant memory that's locked in like oh look what i found it's our high school yearbook this is crazy and you open up what's essentially your dna's high school yearbook from some you know fucking sub-Saharan experience when you were half a monkey person. Yeah, yeah, like memory stored in DNA or something like that. So that's, I mean, my scientific mind would just say that, you know, genes that are set up to have this inclination to suck on your mother's tits end up being passed on easier and whatnot. But I've had full on, I remember specifically I had a mushroom trip like 10 years ago

where I must have taken a ton. What happened was I was blackout drunk. I took mushrooms. I don't remember any of it. And then I must have passed out and I just woke up. It took me like a couple minutes to realize what was going on i was like am i dreaming did i go crazy what happened i was like oh i had mushrooms in the fridge i bet i gobbled those things and then i closed my eyes and i saw i saw like inside my brain was kind of like a um

the opening scene of fight club with like electricity shooting around different neurons blah blah blah and then it zoomed in and then i saw like an individual neuron and then it zoomed in and then i saw like a strip of dna and then it zoomed in and then i saw like this little section of dna and then i and then it just exploded and i saw all of like, going all the way back to, so I saw, like, all these different battles and stuff and, like, my ancestors. And then it went all the way back to, like, being monkeys and all that. And it went back to, like, this first little plant seed, like, springing, sprouting. And then it was over. springing, sprouting, and then it was over.

And that's not, I mean, it wasn't an accurate representation of the history of evolution, but it's still insane that my brain was able to do that. Yeah, but isn't that creativity, though? I mean, isn't that your brain on mushrooms absorbing information that you already know? Yeah, yeah. Or sort of manipulating it? I think so. I think it would be hard to have a mechanism where memories are stored in the DNA. Yeah, but this is the problem with that.

There's been studies done that show that they exist. Here's what they did. They took these rats or mice and they put a citrus spray in the air and then they electrocuted their feet. So every time they sprayed the citrus smell, they gave them a charge on their feet and they hurt them. Their children, who never experienced any of this. Their DNA from these mice created these children. The children, they would spray the citrus spray in the air and they would automatically have this terror response.

Like they would freak out. They have an accelerated panic level. Measurable. So they realized that. And they weren't pregnant when they did this or anything? Nope. They had a significant amount of time between the actual experiences and uh when they're pregnant and you know rats and mice and shit they're they're not pregnant for very long like i think a rat is pregnant for like 16 days or something like that and then they they

give birth it's something crazy like that i think that's what a hamster maybe i'm maybe i confusing hamster, but a hamster is pregnant for like 16 days and shits out a litter. And then 16 days later, you get pregnant again. They could just, so. 21 days. 21 days for a rat? Yeah. Okay. So it's real quick.

So they did these tutties. They tortured these little meeses, zapped their feet with that citrus spray in the air. they torture these little meeses, zap their feet with that citrus spray in the air, and then there's a clear indication that that memory of that smell being attached to danger was transmitted to their children. Hmm. That's incredible. Yeah. So this is why I think, well, it only makes sense.

I mean, I've heard of studies like that. I don't know why people would be incredulous about it, because how else do we get all these instincts? I mean, why would we assume that memories are not somehow another stored in the very genetic me like? Memories in my brain. It's in my hard drive. I take it out. I move it around No, your memory somehow or another is in your consciousness We don't exactly know where we know when areas of the brain get injured it affects memory We know but that it could very well be that the areas of the brain are involved in processing memory not necessarily storing memory we don't know really whole realistically that there's only

one a like there's certain things like DMT is produced not just in the brain but it's also produced in the liver and in the lungs they know this for a fact so it's one of those things where maybe other things are stored in other parts of the body. We just assume that the very body itself doesn't have some sort of memory. But when you talk to people that have limbs that have been removed, they have phantom itches and things along those lines, that's one explanation for that phenomenon is that you have a memory. Your actual tissue has a memory of that limb hmm i um well there's also a body map in in the brain and um yeah maybe that's not a good example yeah but the mice example is probably the best one well it does make me think of how um how

information from our environment can affect the fetal environment. Like females in lower income places or in lower parts of the social kind of hierarchy in humans will tend to have, and there's all these different species that have, where the species can kind of pick depending on the environment whether it's going to be a male or female so lower status females tend to have daughters more and like the kings that are higher status tend to have more sons because sons sons if they're doing very well have the opportunity to mate a bunch and spread their genes on quite a bit more. But a female, even if it's

like a lower status female or low income or whatever, a female can always have like at least a couple children, whereas a lot of men get kind of our evolutionary dead ends. You know, if a dude's brought up poor, he's going to have a harder time finding a mate, basically. So it does seem like there's some environmental influence that is somehow recognized in the brain that is then kind of selecting a little bit um better than chance whether you're going to have like a male or female so there might be other mechanisms in there like that that can affect i just yeah i can't conceptualize how how it would work but that's interesting i have i've read other studies like that and i don't know enough about them haven't read enough why can't you conceptualize

why uh there'd be a strong connection between that smell which was always followed by an electrocution that it somehow would be stored in the dna of the animal which would be a smart thing to pass on to the children oh would be yeah yeah yeah rut Sheldrake had an example about this where he was talking about children in inner cities. They're not afraid of car accidents or murder or bank robbers or real threats. They're worried about monsters, even though they don't ever see monsters. They're worried about monsters in the closet. And he correlated it to an ancient fear of cats like jaguars and leopards and lions and things that killed people forever and that at night

these things with big teeth that hide in the dark and wait to get you the monsters which you know there's a there's a video of this guy where a lion or a tiger rather charges them him, full clip charges him. And it is as terrifying as any horror movie you'll ever see in your life. The thing veers off about 30 or 40 yards away from him and decides not to run at him. But it's running at him full clip with this insane speed that I kind of knew the tigers could run that fast. But until you see it, you go, oh my God, like they're so fast. It's, it's, it's just this furious snarl and just unbelievable pace as it moves towards them.

And it's monster, you know? And if you saw that, if that killed one of your friends and you had children that would be passed on to their kids, like be scared of monsters. That would be passed on to their kids. Like, be scared of monsters. Yeah. Well, sometimes when people take ayahuasca, they report seeing these snakes or worms as well. Jaguars, too. But I think that there's a physiological reaction where your body's thinking that it's been poisoned, which it kind of has been in a little bit of a way. And I think that maybe in the non-conscious,

there's this projection of, because in your ancestral past, if you're poisoned, it's probably because of a snake or some parasite or bacteria or something like that. So maybe that, because that is, like you say, maybe stored in the DNA or in the memory somehow, even if you've never ran into a snake, perhaps you would hallucinate one if your body thinks that you've been poisoned,

being like, what happened here? And kind of running through a simulation of what must have happened. That certainly could be possible. I mean, there's a lot of variables. I don't think there's any one clear way at this time to figure out what the hell's going on or you know like people that interpret dreams you know oh what that means is you don't know what the fuck that right right i had a dream that i was running from godzilla on a skateboard with my cousin who i haven't seen in 20 years you think that's you can interpret that no that's you

know oh well you're you're troubled by your past yeah you and your cousin have this tension and the last time you saw them you you saw a lizard and maybe or maybe the human imagination is just bizarre yeah it's very very very strange and incredibly powerful i mean the the idea that we can dream and i can have a dream where where i'm making up all of these people or people that I know and doing perfect impressions of them in maybe different languages that you don't normally know. And you do it all without even realizing you're doing it. You think it's happening to you. You don't even realize you're making up the storyline and writing the script and putting together the actors. And you're doing it in your sleep.

Like you wake up well rested. If you sit and like read a book, you'll get tired. You'll get fatigued using your brain like that. But your brain can do all of that in your sleep. And you wake up well rested. Like it took no energy at all for the brain to do that. Well, it's got to be drugs, right? I mean mean it's got to have something to do with dmt they don't know for sure but they do believe that when you're in heavy REM sleep your brain's producing all this dmt now that they know now the

cottonwood research foundation has done those studies on rats where they've proven that live rats are producing dimethyltryptamine in their pineal gland. They know that this is actually the source of it, right? This is like the first time. Before it was all just anecdotal evidence. Now that they know that, it's totally possible that once testing measures get better and they can figure out how to detect things at a more accurate rate, they are eventually going to do studies on people that are asleep. And they're going to be able to measure your DMT levels and where it's coming from

and when it spikes. And if they can somehow or another, you know, they're going to be able to measure your DMT levels and where it's coming from and when it spikes. And if they can somehow or another, you know, they're starting to be able to do things now where they can show you images and you can receive those images in your visual cortex. Yeah. That I have to think that eventually they're going to be able to interpret whatever kind of dream data is going on in your head, at least in some sort of crude form. DVR your dreams kind of. It will eventually get better.

And if we live 1,000 years from now, I mean, who knows? What are you showing me here, Jamie? I was looking something up that I remember someone came in here and talking to us about. This is called DreamSphere. It's an app that people are supposed to download and type in what like the dreams they just had and the app is getting what it's called like big data it's getting all the information on what metrics people are dreaming about colors oh yeah and it shows you the people around you who are dreaming like you yeah and this is this is like

two million people have downloaded this and you can find out what other people are dreaming about kind of like based on a map and i think the person that was in here that was talking about it said that they're finding out people are dreaming about the same things at the same times all over the world or something like that who said that i don't remember because he said it wasn't official data it was that rick doblan i don't i can't remember exactly imagine if it's everybody dreaming about having sex with hillary they realized like whoa it's an epidemic and then we realized she put it out there it's from chemtrails she's spraying it in the sky it's interesting that they have the um people people that can't talk or whatever um als or you know like stephen hawking

basically you can show you can now show them you can give them MRIs, show them pictures of certain words that are useful, like bathroom or whatever it might be. And then it can determine what part of the brain is lighting up when they are thinking of a bathroom. And then you can hook them up and they can just concentrate on the word bathroom. And then it will know that they're saying bathroom. And so this is Stephen Hawking just hates using new technology and shit. That's hilarious. Yeah, he hates it. That's why his voice is still fucking shittier than my GPS.

He likes old computers. Yeah, he just doesn't like learning new technology stuff even though that's like what gets him around and talks for him and everything he's like ah who needs that new shit wow um but uh but yeah so once we can map the brain and figure out but i mean yeah i that's the dream to dvr like dreams or a DMT trip or something like that, and then slow it down because it's a DMT trip. There's just a billion things happening all at once, and it's impossible to articulate. I don't think you're ever going to be able to slow it down

because I think we look at it in terms of what we would see in normal reality. If you had a scene that you could say when you were 15, you hit a home run in a little league game and you remember it so clearly because you was the you were the hero you came back everybody carried you around on your shoulders if you could go back and replay that over and over again if you had a recording of it in your mind and you go back and see it in real time and replay it it would all make sense you'd see the grass moving in the breeze you would see the clouds floating gently overhead you'd see the players in the field you'd see people talking and laughing in the breeze. You would see the clouds floating gently overhead. You'd see the players in the field. You'd see people talking and laughing in the stands. It would all like make

sense because it's all references and things that exist in this dimension, in this plane. The problem with DMT is if you took even one hundredth of the images that you're seeing, just a little corner of it and just looked at it and and tried to examine what the fuck it is it's a constantly changing geometric pattern that's somehow and it's fractal like too so to zoom in and it has some things have an effect on it like have you ever done dmt to uh icaros those uh south american songs that they can play um no i i do um although i did i think he was the shaman was doing them on my couple of ayahuasca um yeah ceremonies that i did singing and but ayahuasca didn't really take for me it was a bit of a disappointment oh did you go to a bad place no i just didn't have enough um wasn't strong enough yeah i told him i was like i was like i do lots of dmt i'm ready i just want

to like fucking get there let's go for it and then it wasn't enough it was it was like a good mushroom trip um so it was good but it wasn't yeah it was it was enjoyable other than like sitting in a room listening to other people throw up like i just don't have the stomach for that and it was also like i don't know it was my bullshit detector was just kind of going off a lot there's just a lot of people dressed in like white moo moo things and it's just like a lot of wooden beads yeah there's a girl had a magic wand and i was like come on she was so hot too i was like you're just so hot no one's ever called your bullshit no no no of course not you'd be banging it right now you wouldn't even be on this podcast

like a dude would never be able to fucking carry around a magic wand without some lady being like what's up with that you could kanye west could have a line of magic wands yeah yeah yeezys yeezy ones i feel like you can pull it off drake do it it was the whole i was trying to be as open-minded as possible but it was also like the shaman going around and like blowing smoke on the crown of my head was like a bit much for me i was like all right this guy's gonna blow on my hair now all right i guess i'll fucking do this if you were super high you'd be like oh my oh my God, I'm connecting with him through the smoke. And then I didn't like that you had to go

and kneel in front of him to do the thing. It was just so churchy. Wait, wait, wait. You had to kneel in front of him? Yeah, you had to go and sit down in front of him. Does he kneel too, or does he stand up and make a sucker? He's sitting like pouring the... His dick was out, actually, come to think of it.

It was dripping, right? But, yeah, I mean, if I was doing ayahuasca, or if I was giving someone ayahuasca, I would be bowing to them for being brave enough to try it. Yeah, how weird that he made you kneel in front of them. Yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way. It should. I don't think I've heard that before,

but I have heard of like skeezy ceremony guys. This guy wasn't skeezy at all. He was super cool and really bright and everything. I just thought some of it was a little silly. Sorry I interrupted you. No, it's okay. No, there's a lot of that to these things. Like it's what you're experiencing is so beyond the reality that we all know that all the other silly shit almost seems okay.

Yeah, yeah. You know, Mother Gaia, we open ourselves to you. Please take me down the path of wisdom and enlightenment. I open myself to you. I come here with acknowledgement of my past troubles and thankfulness. You know, this shit that people say, like, look, man. You know what? I actually, you know, they say to set an intention and everything i set an intention i was like i want to understand why i

have some self-esteem issues and why i don't have more confidence and and i you know i was like i'm gonna play along i'm gonna be as open-minded as possible and i will say during that ayahuasca trip i was the most confident i've ever felt in my entire life like it was just a feeling like i could do anything unfortunately it was all geared toward like wow this is a bunch of bullshit and like i was i was pretty confident that it was i was like can i just go outside and like trip by myself because i feel great i'm just in a room of people like puking and farting everywhere and like I just can't it's not for me this thing yeah and bowing magic wands and um and I also I have I have a couple things I think some

people are misrepresenting what's happening I think that I think that when you're um as as someone who's almost died like probably 20 times in my life, I've had like a near-death experience and like breaking my feet kind of triggered the same sort of response. And your life kind of flashes before your eyes and goes kind of back in time a little bit. But really that's underselling what the brain does because it also projects all these options going forward of like, do I call an ambulance right now? Am I going to be able to make it? What's my life going to be like, do I call an ambulance right now? Am I going to be able to make it? What's my life going to be like now? And then, so I think that one, when your life flashes before your eyes, it's not like some, hey, let's just have a quick, fond, nostalgic run through what our life was and visit some old memories. This is your brain going like, do we have anything for this situation?

Have we seen a TV show that will get us out of this? Do we remember first aid class? And it's going back and back and back, and I'm wondering if it's going back far enough to what the fetal environment was like. I wonder if we do have memories somewhere stored in it. And because the fetal environment could have easily been all of these weird structures and cities and fractal like like it doesn't seem that odd to me that that's what the environment before you came out of the womb could look like and if it's taking you back do you mean before you came out of the womb you mean like what you're experiencing while you're in your mother's womb yeah with your eyes closed in the darkness the first little bits of

consciousness so you think the first little bits of consciousness. So you think the first little bits of consciousness might be tripping? Yeah, like these kind of fractal-like structures. I think fractals are, I mean, fractals you're able to put a finite, you're able to fit infinity into a finite space somehow. It's the weird counterintuitive thing about fractals but if you were if you made

packets of information that were fractal like that would be a great way to transport information or like transport ideas i think and so i think that could be the very origins of consciousness and then when we came out we were seeing this but it was all like a blob you didn't see like walls or pictures or like you didn't understand sound it was just a blob of information coming at you that you later had to be taught or decipher and and but i think the origins of it could have been like um these like i've seen like a lot of holographic cities and that kind of look like computer chips a little bit and that sort of thing. And it wouldn't surprise me if that's what the first little, like, say you get this machine where you can record dreams. If we can record then what's happening when you're a fetus,

it wouldn't surprise me if it was something like this. And I think that, I think that, um, ayahuasca and DMT have a way of triggering near-death experience, whether you're consciously aware of it or not. And it's like, what the fuck is happening right now? Just like when you... I don't know. Why do you think it triggers near-death experiences? Or it tricks your brain into thinking maybe you're dying.

Really? I've never had that experience on DMT. Never had the experience where it made me feel like maybe I was dying. It had made me feel like maybe I went somewhere where I wasn't supposed to be. Like, oh my God, you fucked up now. You went to a place where you're not even supposed to see this yet. I haven't necessarily felt it that much myself either, other than I felt like I've forgotten that I'm a human that smoked DMT.

I'm just like a different thing entirely. To unpack this a little bit though for people that are like these fucking hippies what are they yapping about their the brain does produce endogenous psychedelic chemicals it produces five methoxy dmt produces nn dimethyltryptamine two super potent psychedelic drugs the brain produces and we don't understand why it's entirely possible that if the adult human brain produces it that a baby's brain produces it as well right so if it's in that womb state which is in a lot of ways sort of like a sensory deprivation tank but with of course the feeling and the cortisol effect of the mother and the oxytocin and all the all the different hormones and the

responding directly to the stress of the mother there's a lot going on with the the body inside the body right but's a lot going on with the body, inside the body. Right. But we should assume that those brains are experiencing what we know to be possible in the human mind, which is psychedelic chemicals. And I've seen actual dreams on DMT trips, like a regular dream like you're used to having,

which is unusual because that's nothing what the normal DMT world looks like mean while you're taking dmt or while you're dreaming because i've had dreams where you go into the dmt world i i've experienced both um but i've had i've smoked dmt and then i'd see like a a guy like walking down a hall holding a box and then i'd look at him and he'd look at me and be like oh oh and then start like uh twitching like like there was a glitch in the metrics he's like oh oh oh like making fun of me and then and then he'd just reach back and grab the wall and pull it and it would be like this veil that then it became the whole world and started like the DMT space that you're more familiar with. If you could sell that in a virtual reality environment, like here's the

game. You wake up, you're in a classroom, you lift your head up like, oh, I must have fallen asleep in class and everybody left me here. You go out in the hallway and there's a guy walking down the hallway and he's carrying a box of books. You go, excuse me, excuse me, and you go up to him and you grab his shoulder and he turns and looks at you and goes, uh-oh.

That would be the shit. Yeah. That's inevitable, though. They're going to be able to figure out a way to create a virtual. It's one of the things that actually McKenna believed, that they were going to be able to figure out how to create a virtual DMT world, which would give people the DMT experience without actually taking DMT. So your brain would somehow or another synchronize with this virtual world and you would have

a full blown DMT trip. And this is, he thought this up. I'm sure he was tripping. But he thought this up in like, I believe the 90s or maybe the 80s. It might even have been the 80s that he was talking about this. When virtual reality was still, like people had predicted it's, you know, that virtual reality was going to blow up and going to be huge. But it took a long time until recently where the technology caught up to the concept. Yeah, yeah.

Like, they finally are starting to get that hoverboard working. The Lexus one? Is that the one you mean? The one with the air, the same guy that made the pack that goes in water and then shoots the air he made he made a board that you stand on that uses fans and he hovers like 30 40 feet above the ground have you seen that video no oh yeah i thought you were talking about the lexus hoverboard which uses magnets somehow it's got like some super cooled magnets with like liquid nitrogen or something like that i believe and the lexus one is really cool because i haven't seen

that well it's it's sort of a proof of concept and what they're doing right now is they're using it and the guy stands on it like a skateboard and he sort of slides around on things and it's only a couple inches off the ground but it's clearly floating like look at here no this is another one this is the other one this is another one called the arca board oh so this one's all fans this isn't the one that i was it might not be real this looks fake as fuck this looks like a sitcom actor um whoa is that real so um i could run faster than that. I'm not impressed. Find the Lexus one. Whoa, that is pretty dope, though. Is this real?

I don't believe that guy. Oh, wow. A bunch of fans. Okay. So if you just put flyboard air test one. Go to the Lexus thing first. I want to show you this Lexus thing because I know you haven't seen this. I think the Lexus one's on magnets and stuff.

Yeah. It's super cooled magnets with some sort of liquid nitrogen. Look at that. See how all that air that's coming out of the bottom? That's the liquid nitrogen. So I think Lexus is assuming that this technology, sort of like back to the future shit, that this technology is eventually how we're going to get around with cars. And one of the interesting things about that,

if they really do figure out how to do this, if we get around in cars that are not connected to the ground with wheels, even though there will be momentum as we collide with each other if we fuck up, it won't have nearly the same kind of impact because you won't have the friction of the road that makes the vehicle absorb the energy of the other vehicle. Right.

It'll absorb it a little bit and then bounce you back. Yeah. And then, well, with having eventually our power lines will be superconductors too. So they're cooled down enough so you're not losing all that. You're losing something like a quarter of the energy is just lost in the wires in transit. Right. So I had, did he find the flyboard? Yeah.

Okay. Flyboard air test. Holy shit. This guy's flying. Yeah. Okay. This is way cooler than that other piece of shit. Yeah.

This is amazing. The other people just quit. This is nuts. How long can this guy stay on this thing for? I think like five or 10 minutes or something like that. And watch him stick this landing, too. It's incredible how much control he has over it. This is amazing.

Now, is this available for public consumption? I think it will be. Are you a representative of this company? Has this been a ploy? I hope to be. Look at the fucking... I will happily represent the hoverboard company. I want to be associated with them.

Look at the crazy wind that's coming from it. In that other frame, you could see, like, when there's a dark background, you could see the force of the air below it. Back up a little bit, Jamie, so you could see the force of the air below that thing. See if you can... Yeah, look at that. See that force? Like, back up a little bit so you could see it.

Like, look as he's flying how much air that thing must be pumping. Look at that. That's crazy. And it's fucking up the water underneath it as he's swimming around or he's flying around. That's incredible, man. Oh, yeah, watch the landing here. Look at how accurate this is.

Wow. Look at that. That's like a five-by-five space that he just landed dead center and he landed right next to two guys that were so confident they just stood there while he's flying around on what looks like it's like a like a box yeah it doesn't even look like a skateboard it looks like a circular like a small trampoline it's so so small. Yeah. Um, fucking amazing. Mission one coming soon. Flyboard.

Um, what is the date of this video? Jamie? It was like a year ago. Maybe April of this year. Oh, it's just a matter of time before someone has one of those and they're flying right in front of your window, jerking off on your house.

It's a hundred percent going to happen, right? Someone's going to be the first guy. And then they're shooting down drones. Someone's going to shoot one of those guys. Someone's going to go to Britney Spears' house and whack off on her roof. And they're going to get arrested. Yeah.

And it'll be like the new thing. Like planking was a thing for a while. Jerking off on famous people's houses would be a new thing. Yeah. We're going to not be able to control the skies. It's sort of like the ocean. I think the ocean is fascinating. I have friends that have boats.

You know, guys like to go fishing. And I've never had a boat. But one of the things that I've always thought was incredible is, like, if you live, like, Marina del Rey or something like that, and you have a boat, and you hop out in your boat, you just go out into another world. You're a fucking space you have a boat and you hop out in your boat you just go out into another world you're you're fucking space traveler on a boat and you're roaming around this enormous swath of ocean yeah and you're free to go left and right and up and down and there's no roads

and there's no restrictions you do whatever you want so i can't believe like people are so i i mean i think space travel is exciting and everything but everyone's like what if we found aliens it's like there's aliens they're in the ocean and it's cheap to get to them just go to every time we go down deeper we discover all these new worlds down there and they're constantly finding crazy new life forms i wonder if like what the number or the percentage of documented life forms in the ocean are because they're always finding new freaky variations. Did you ever see that squid that they found that has crab legs? No. Yeah, it's crazy, man.

It's a giant squid that they found in Mexico, and it was a camera that was attached to one of those oil rigs. So they were essentially just checking the oil rig, and there was this thing that was floating right next to the oil rig this really freaky looking alien squid that has like crab legs like really bizarre like obvious bends to the legs like check this out look at this look at that fucking thing man like look how long its tentacles are. It's enormous. This is 2007. What's the name of this video, Jamie, so people can... Alien-like squid filmed at oil drilling site.

Is this the one I picked? That's exactly what I would call it. Video courtesy of the Shell Oil Company. Shell, doing a good job at finding aliens in the ocean. There's, like, that Blue Planet or something. One of those BBC documentaries, like Planet Earth, but just ocean stuff. And you watch it and it's like,

you could show people and they would think that you're watching like a CGI made up thing, like about aliens. Like, have you ever seen anything like this before? Like back it up so you can see that image again with the articulating bent arms. Like what the fuck is that, man? Just look at that.

If you saw that thing floating in space, right? If they were on their way to the moon. Or you're just on a swim. Well, if they were on their way to the moon and they saw that thing floating in space, they would go, holy shit. Exactly. There's an alien in space that's watching over the planet. We found out that they're very intelligent.

They can solve puzzles. We would think that is the most incredible discovery ever, but we see this thing in the ocean like, oh, it's just here. Yeah, yeah. It depends on where you put things, right? Like if you put, anything is more interesting if you put it in space.

There was an orange. We found an orange on the moon. Oh my God. And there's like that, like I was talking about how your brain perceives things as metaphors. Everything there's like that like i was talking about how your brain perceives things as metaphors everything that's like getting high is good or you're you're feeling like up or rather than down as bad you know and hell's under the earth and heaven's up in the clouds and stuff

there's something i don't know if it's just this natural like our inherent fight against gravity that that makes us think like that's what you want to obtain to lift off to be up there you know don't you think hell is definitely because of volcanoes i mean yeah it only makes sense well yeah it makes sense i mean have you ever been near a volcano before um no the big island has awesome tours you could hop in a helicopter you fly over the big island of hawaii and you could actually watch the island grow because the island grows something like a foot a day or something like that like you can literally see the lava come out of the out of the chutes and go into the ocean and create new land that's awesome fucking awesome yeah and you're flying over this helicopter the helicopter uh rather you're flying over this helicopter, the helicopter, rather, you're flying over this

volcano, and you look down into lava. You see the very center of the earth oozing out of its zit, out of this weird surface, which has created the entire Hawaiian island chain, by the way. The entire Hawaiian island chain is just volcanoes. That's all it is. Volcanoes in the middle of the ocean that erupted millions of years ago and poked their way through the top. And they're constantly growing and changing. Reality is far more interesting than what humans were able to make up in their wildest fantasies of trying to explain what was happening.

Well, once we get a grip on reality or we get a good account of reality, then you can get pretty creative with your imagination. But the actual reality of space is insane. The idea that there's hundreds of billions of galaxies out there and that each one of them has infinite possibilities about what kind of planets are on there, how far they are from their stars, how many stars are in the solar system, what else is out there in terms of life, what are the? What else is out there in terms of life? What are the possibilities of things surviving out there? They think it's possible that some living things could maybe even survive in space detached from a planet.

Right. I mean, even the reality of evolution, like, right. I mean, when you get far enough into it and you look at all these different examples, the reality of evolution is actually crazier than like there was a God and he had a son named Jesus. Like it is, it is, it's also more accurate.

Um, but I, I remember I used to be like, how could anyone believe, you know, I was very angry. I was raised strictly Catholic. So I had some bitterness about all of that.

And, um, but then once I started learning more about evolution, and it's just like, oh, this is, I didn't know half of this stuff. It's no wonder these people, you know, no one's been given the opportunity to learn it, you know, when you're brought up in a small town and that's just your upbringing. Right. Yeah, I mean, man, just stop and think about the Big Bang.

If you want to mindfuck yourself, think about the idea that these scientists are proposing that the universe itself, everything that you say, was smaller than the head of a pin and had infinite mass and somehow or another exploded and created everything we see in the stars today. What? Are you sure?

And that's under debate. I mean, there's other proposals. There's other scientific ideas that have been bandied about. Parallel universes, brains, membranes colliding. There's different universes and dimensions that are just slightly separated from each other, and they collide. The endless process of expansion and

contraction and that that's what happens that the entire universe expands infinitely and then pulls back into an infinitely small spot and then like you know every x amount of billion years just repeats the cycle yeah and i mean i think that our i think that our brains are endlessly fascinating to just that i mean humans like to give themselves a lot of credit, but I think that we have like, like kind of like the movie inside out. I think we have vast universes inside of our head that seem all expansive. And cause I,

I think that dreams and hallucinating are coming from within side from inside the mind. I don't believe that you're connecting with different dimensions and stuff like that, but it certainly looks like it, which means you have, if I'm right, which who knows, then it means that you have this whole multiverse set up just for running all these different tasks, just for walking around and making decisions. There's entire universes inside of your head. Which is totally possible, but i don't i don't

have a position i don't have a position on whether or not it's in my mind or whether or not it's real and i think it's entirely possible that we need need to consider the possibility that everything that's in your mind everything that's imaginary is actually real meaning that the imagination is responsible for every single thing any human has ever done. Every car that's ever been built, every podcast that's ever been made, every television that's ever been designed, all of that has come out of the imagination. Like the imagination is a strange force inside of human, you know, quote unquote consciousness that living physical or not living, but solid physical things come from. like literally it's the seed of these

solid physical things so when we say that you know we're imagining or hallucinating that we're experiencing some divine entity that comes to us from another dimension explains the universe the nature of reality it's entirely possible that that is a hallucination meaning meaning that physical thing, you can't kidnap it, you can't throw a net on it and bring it back from the wormhole and plop it down in front of the police department and say, look, I found it, proof of another dimension, I brought something back. But if you went to visit with God, say if someone proved that there is a heaven and that God is real

and you can have a brief visit with God and you go to God and you talk to him and in 15 minutes he explains the nature of the universe and love and the concept of positive energy and all these different things. Please take this back with you. Please take this back with you and do what you can to make the world a better place. Well, if you have a trip or if you actually go to meet God or, or if you have a trip where you imagine you meet God, the experience is exactly the same. Yeah. Like we, I don't think we know what's real and what's not real. I think we're super cocky and we're real nervous.

Like one of the reasons why we get paranoid when we smoke pot is because we start becoming aware of variables that we might've suppressed or chosen to ignore. And then we're confronted with them and all of our insecurities and like a cascade, tidal wave sort of a situation where you can't handle all the data that you've been putting aside. Like, oh, fuck. Yeah, I smoke weed and I'm like, oh, my fucking to-do list. I think about bills I didn't pay when I was 18.

Yeah. Like, what did I do? There's weird things that happen to the mind. And I don't know how much of what we call the imagination. We try to think of it as like, oh, it's just imagining things. Man, I don't know. I think it's entirely possible that we're really hung up on this word real, like what's real and what's not real. I think we're real hung up on that.

We're real hung up on that. Our day-to-day lives is dependent on imagination we've all imagined democracy or these laws came were a human invention that came from imagination that we imagine is real even even every corporation isn't an actual thing it's an idea that we just imagine and we take it for granted you you don't have to go like you don't have to go like do i believe in 7-eleven or like you take it for granted that 7-eleven is just an idea right it's it's it's uh a judge could close down 7-eleven with one of his ideas at any moment and then it would no longer exist but the buildings

are still there but you know 7-eleven's not the building. It's not the employees. It's just an idea. An idea implemented in the physical form that you can experience. Right. You can go and touch it. You can walk in the door. You can smell it. But I just don't know if that makes it real.

And then everything that happens to you in your dream is not real. I don't know. I don't know what real is in terms of if you want to be successful in this world. If you want to be successful in this material world, you have to consider the fact that laws are real. You can't drive 1,000 miles an hour in a 20-mile zone. You can't punch babies. There's a lot of real consequences for real actions because this world has rules, right?

Right. But it doesn't mean that the trips that you have these intense transcendent psychedelic experiences are hallucinations it doesn't mean that they're not real it means we might be entirely hung up on containing our consciousness and our thinking and our awareness to what we can touch and and bang on and pick up and measure and look I, I put it on a scale. I know it's real. And these physical laws that we've applied to like this reality, what we call reality, I don't necessarily know.

I think it's entirely possible to me that that might be a limiting factor on how we perceive the universe around us and that it's left over from having to worry about predators and hunting and gathering. And we're moving, I believe, slowly away from that. Not even slowly. And I think our ability to alter reality through virtual reality and even through our understanding and application of psychedelic drugs, there psychedelic uh technology as well as virtual technology and all of these things are giving us this this ability to change the concept of real like the

realm of possibilities as we can imagine it i mean who's even to say that punching babies is a bad thing i mean who can say i love them you fucking single guy and your baby punching waist. But here's where I try to be very, very skeptical of my trips because I've seen God in different universes and the whole bit, and it's just like such a short amount of time and it's so different and so exciting that I think the brain, I think that the brain just automatically, I think that's very salient. And the brain really attaches to this, these new and novel, new information that's very exciting. And it's a little scary too. Your brain remembers scary things a lot, you know, it triggers a bit of a stress response. And I think that I like to say that imagine instead there was someone who was born on, it was like they just have the brain chemistry, like their brain's on LSD all the time.

And then one day, you know, things are rainbow colored or whatever, and that's fine. And then one day when they're, they get around just fine. And then one day when they're 30, someone gives them a pill that brings them to our reality it would seem just as mind-blowing and just as true like i get it now there's like these things called jobs and like these entry-level positions and like these hierarchies and you can if you show up on time each day, you can establish yourself in this hierarchy. If you went in on different days, it would seem like a different world. I thought I had it all figured out, but then I was like this person that was in a cube typing away.

And then you think you have that figured out, and then you hit a casual Friday, and you're like, it was weird. I thought they all had uniforms, and then they all looked different you know like this this is this to me this perception is just as much the trip as any psychedelic will will ever get you on it's just that that's such a short amount of time this reality is very bizarre yeah yeah and we're accustomed to it yeah i think also this it's it's entirely possible um that your reality is different than his reality, than my reality, than another person's reality. Then what you were talking about before being how the way you view the world

and how the world seems to you is more fucked up when you're hurt, when you were injured. It might entirely be possible that when you make good decisions, when you decide to take care of your body, when you decide to eat healthy, when you decide to meditate or do yoga or practice mindfulness or set out an intention for your day

and say, you know, today I'm not going to complain about anything. You know, I'm going to show up on time. I'm not going to complain. I'm going to be a nice person. And I'm going to try to, when a negative thought comes into my brain, it's going to be a mandate. I'm going to do my best to push that out and replace it with a positive thought. When someone chooses to exercise that sort of a protocol, chooses to go forth with a list of things that they're going to, this is how I'm going to treat life. This is how I'm going to think about life. And I'm going to be fluid while I'm doing it, but I'm not going to allow all these things that I know to be detrimental aspects of life. I'm not going to allow those in if I can help it just doing that changes the world

right I mean literally changes your world yeah and I think it's it's entirely possible that what you're talking about when you're saying that when you're enthusiastic and you're embracing the psychedelic experience that it's possible that your brain creates all this new stuff but that might be the point that might be the point of all of it. When you have these psychedelic trips and your brain on these psychedelic trips interacts with those songs and the music,

the Icaros. I know you didn't have the best experience of it because the DMT wasn't that strong and the ayahuasca. But I've had experiences with the songs where you see the experience moving to the song well if a song can alter the way and I know there's something special about sounds and music there's some special connection between creative and creative sounds that people have put together and concocted and put together in some sort

of a beautiful song there's a there's a response that the body has to those. If you're on a treadmill and a great song comes on, you feel like you could run faster. Yeah, yeah. Music contains some sort of inspiration. There's sad songs. Yeah, but there's an effect, right? But that effect also has an effect on the psychedelic world.

When you're tripping, those songs have an effect. Yeah. My thought is that your mind and your attitude might not just have an effect on experiences when you're running into people. It might have an effect on the psychedelic dreams. It might have an effect on your future. and go forth in a positive way is just like a good karma, sort of hippie, nonsensical way of trying to control the uncontrollable, which is this random world we live in. It might not be true. We just might think that because it's comforting.

We might want to think that there's less control than there actually is. I think that, well well that's a lot um i so one the way in the way in which um so i sometimes at home i'll have uh i'll have like an animal planet like planet earth or whatever on on mute and then i'll be playing music and i'll have people over and people think that it's because I'm playing the music through the TV people think that they're like what is this program what's this I'm like oh it's just that it's just on mute with music playing over it but if I don't tell people that they'll be watching it and if it's like a happy-go-lucky song they're like oh man these

animals sure got it good don't they look at how look at how relaxing that looks just laid out in the Sun and then if it's like a real intense dark song they're like oh my god are they ever gonna make it like it completely changes their perception of it this is why we have soundtracks and everything else and I actually I actually think that music altering the psychedelic state or world or perception or whatever you want to say is like I listen to this band Spongle that makes music specifically for DMT. I think that that's... They used one of my rants. Really?

Yeah, it's a Spongle song that has this long rant where me and Jim Brewer were so barbecued on uh pot lollipops and this is like the early 2000s some guy called in and um he uh asked us a question about something about dmt and i went on this crazy rant about dmt see and they put it in a a song that that's uh i i wouldn't want to hear that while i'm tripping i don't like when there's words in their songs i try to only listen to music ones way too aggro super enthusiastic but i was just hanging out with my friend and we were just so high we're we barely should be talking to people definitely not answering phone calls see to me that the fact that a different song and i'll see

like a different story and it's pretty predictable like i'll play this song again and i know i'm gonna see like this purple woman dancing around or whatever um and the the fact that that influences that perception that world that you're in is more of an indicator to me that it's coming from within your head and and not like transporting you to a different dimension or making you perceive a different dimension because why why would it influence that dimension a better example i smoked dmt once and i had my uh my dog jumped on my lap while i was on a dmt trip and then it came into my DMT trip, like all colorful and in codes and stuff. And then I saw like, like kind of a bit of a dream state of, of where I would, I saw myself setting my dog down, but I was like sitting in a different spot.

I was at the kitchen table and it's where my, my dog would normally jump on my lap and where I'd normally be like no and sit down and so it was like accessing that part of that brain that has the memory like this is when we put the dog down and then i i lifted it off of me and i think there's all these i see lots of things like that like these um like these exemplars like these kind of prototype objects um that your brain is using to retrieve like if you if you're gonna throw a frisbee i think that you're accessing like this this ideal frisbee throw in your mind you can probably close your eyes and picture it right now and and i think that that's in there like these prototypes these prototypes that our brain draws off of.

Because I've seen that on a DMT trip, like a silhouette of a perfect frisbee throw. And then the guy's like a hundred times doing the same movement or whatever. And just things like that make me think that it's just some neural process and how the brain interprets reality at different levels. You might be right. Or they might not be mutually exclusive. They might intertwine. It's entirely possible that everything is connected and that when you are imagining things in the DMT realm, you're imagining things in another dimension and they're happening in that dimension because your imagination can create things in that bizarre, detached from your body world that you experience under intense psychedelic states. It might not be mutually exclusive. It might not be, oh, this is all my imagination. That might be true. You might be creating this, but that also might be real in that dimension,

in that state, as far as real goes. You know, this 15-minute lifetime, that's what you have. You have a 15-minute DMT lifetime. You're there for 15 minutes and it feels like a lifetime. Five minutes most of the time. You got to go deeper, son. How many hits do you take? I go.

How many hits do you take? I usually use a vape pen. A vape pen? Yeah. Why do you use one of those i because it's a lot smoother and um and you can just draw bigger hits and it's it's fast do you use like a it's like an oil vaporizer it has like a little cup in it and you put the dmt in this little cup and okay so you're not talking about like uh like a blue cigarette pen you're talking about like a

fat one like like you would use for your vaping your yeah yeah okay so it's not really a pen right like more of a vape pipe um yeah it's a fat thing it's uh it's pretty um put in put in g-pen and you're doing like i have a g-pen i is. Yeah, yeah. It's one of those. I've tried so many different methods of smoking it, and that's just, I think, the most potent way. And so I had an intense one about a week or two ago, and I had about six big rips, but I was already in there. And then I had two more big ones. While you were in there. It was a bit much. Bolts off. It's going to be a little while before I can get back in there, and then I had two more big ones. While you were in there? It was a bit much.

Bolts off. It's going to be a little while before I can get back in there. Yeah, I'm going to have to process for a while. I went for years after one where I didn't want to go back. Yeah, yeah. Years. I went months recently. It was so heavy that the reality was, the way I describe it, it was very slippery for like two weeks. Yeah.

Everything seemed fake like every car driving cars i was constantly worried about cars flying over from other lanes and smashing into my windshield like all this weird paranoid thoughts whereas i when i logically and objectively feel uh feel like it's possible that it was the ego trying to regain control by like activating distress and like physical worry sort of uh intentions like worry about strangers worried about random crime or accidents or things along those lines you know that it was like my brain was like hey the world's a hard fucking place you know it's like the conservative right wing aspect of the mind sort of kicks in tenfold yeah yeah i i've experienced

that i've been i've i've experienced where i'm walking down the street and then i have to be like wait is this real or was that real because it seemed really real but here's my my take on it is that dmt is is too perfect like everything's too perfect in there and symmetrical like it take it would take say this were this world that we know is a simulation it would take far more computational power to put all these little flaws in to put like a spill on the coffee table or whatever it was 11 billion years since the big bang and four billion years of evolution all to get this fucking little spill on a coffee table whereas dmt is like these you can you can make good dmt representations just using some fractal programs and or alex gray paintings yeah and and that's with like we're doing this with computers that we built

and we're monkeys right but again isn't it just what we're used to? We're used to this imperfect world, so we think the imperfect world is normal. Maybe this is the oddity. Maybe the oddity of the coffee spills is what's really strange, and that what DMT represents is the energy that creates the world itself unharnessed, sort of unbridled,

unattached to culture, language, physical bodies, anything that we come to accept as being a normal thing i think there's a perfect world simulated within our mind that we're trying to act out on right but why make that distinction is the question and not that there's anything wrong with what you're doing versus what i'm doing but why make a choice that it's in your mind versus what a lot of people like to say who the fuck knows yeah yeah no i say who the fuck knows as well right i'm just trying to be objective scientific objective scientific skeptical of my own perceptions because when i'm in there i'll i'll come out i'll be like

i just saw god no doubt about it do you feel like and this is one of the reasons why i'm getting to this line of questioning is actually a point to it do you feel like because and this is one of the reasons why I'm getting to this line of questioning is actually a point to it. Do you feel like, because I know that you do a lot of stuff with science and you're a part of your presentation, your comedy show involves science. When you're under the scrutiny, and this is a very good thing, of other scientists and other people that are going to judge what you're saying and making sure that you're correct about your facts. Do you find that you tend to be more skeptical or tend to lean towards Occam's razor, more acceptable answers, more scientifically plausible, or at least more scientifically acceptable in like academic circles? Absolutely. I think that one, my brain just likes working that way anyway. I was always like a big fan of math and very good at it. And I kind of liked numbers because you could make sense of the world. And I would say that I was actually scared to the psychedelic show that I do now.

I was planning on doing it like five years from now or so. I've been sitting on it for like a couple of years really. And I was like, well, once I'm like a bigger name or something, then maybe I'll have the power to go out and do this because I have my podcast. I interview scientists each week and I need to reach out to these people. I'm like, oh, I don't want them thinking I'm like some burnout or some lunatic or something like that. So absolutely, that absolutely factors in in my perception of things,

as does, I mean, also none of my memories of any of this stuff are reliable. You know what would be interesting with the idea you were talking about before, if you scanned someone's brain and then you saw, you watched the replay of them hitting a home run or something? Well, that memory wouldn't necessarily be accurate in fact there's a good chance that it wouldn't be yeah and so you could you could see different people's how people's memory looks as opposed to what was actually captured on on cctv or whatever it might be you know well as your example the hot and cold thing but how all the different factors that sort of are involved and how you feel about things yeah and and just everyone also we're

very ego driven we tend to think that we tend to think that we're smarter and more attractive and more skilled driver or whatever everything yeah you know that uh do you know the study where they took the faces and they morphed them um like 10 degrees five times in each way to make them more or less attractive so you take your face and then you make it 10 more symmetrical 20 more symmetrical so on to like 50 and then you make it less symmetrical and so you get you have a real wonky face by the end on the ugly one. And then you mix up all of those faces and you flash all of the pictures all mixed up to a person and give them like a second to pick it or whatever. And people predictably will pick the one that's 10 to 20 percent more attractive. pick the one that's 10 to 20% more attractive. So you think of yourself as like 10 to 20%, like around 15% smarter, more attractive,

more skilled at driving, whatever it might be, because that gives you the confidence, which is often beneficial in life. But you're not thinking 30% more because now you're delusional. Right. Well, some people do, though. Oh, yeah.

They tip that scale. And there's people with low self-esteem yeah they tip that scale and and there's people with little self-esteem that don't you know there's a lot of factors yeah there are and also one person's perception of you like objective perception might be very different like you and i might observe someone and you might come away with a take like oh this guy's this and that and i'd be like hmm i thought he was this or that and then we would discuss it and then i would figure out well he reminded you of this asshole you used to know and he reminded me of my best friend from high school and yeah it's weird uh things and again things we bring into how we approach anything your your brain to save it i mean you can't

you just can't sit and analyze every little aspect. I could sit in this table and really see every single little grain of it if I wanted to, but at some point the brain has to be like, who cares? That's not valuable information. Yeah, you got to eat. Unless you're going to sleep every two hours. So we jump to a lot of conclusions. We stereotype. We simplify.

Overly simplify everything. And that's one of the reasons why we chastise people for racism, because we know how easily the inclination to judge people specifically on what they look like is and how unfair it is. You know, and how reminding ourselves over and over again that that's not cool, it like gives the whole culture more of a relaxed feeling. You know, humans are so strange, man. It's so cool to be a person you know it's so it's so bizarre when you think about all the variables and the possibilities of human behavior and how different cultures accept certain things and we look different and we live in different climates and we're such an odd fucking creature that's just completely overwhelming this globe yeah it's

existence is a bizarre thing that i just I can't get my head around existence. I never really liked it that much. Existence? Yeah. Before you broke your heels or after? Before. Really? When I was a kid.

When you were all cross-fitted up, you didn't like existence? No, I did then. Yeah. See? Yeah, you're right. It works. You were healthy and vibrant. Yeah.

You had all this energy. Yeah. I mean, I was always a young, angsty young man. Most of the best stuff comes from that. Very depressed. Ah, yeah. I mean, when I started comedy, I mean, I used to drink like a lunatic. Now I drink more like a normal person.

I mean, I used to drink like a lunatic. Now I drink more like a normal person. But I would, when I was my most hungover, which I'd only get like four hangovers a year. But when I was as sick as I've ever been, that's when I get my best writing done. It's like some self-defense mechanism or something like that. My brain doesn't operate like that anymore. Well, I think when you're in periods of extreme emotion or energy or just a transitionary moment in your life, whether it's a breakup or the end of a job or moving to a new place, it sort of kicks in this effect, the newness, the novelty of that experience sort of kicks in this effect where you want to express yourself. You want to sort of reestablish your point you you want to express yourself you want to sort

of re-establish you know your your point of view on things your perspective on things a lot of great stuff comes from that you know a lot of a lot of great music especially right i mean teen angst and angst it's like where's the nirvana without angst yeah right i mean one of the greatest bands of all time yeah rape me my friend. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is just pure response to just the frustrations of the world. Preaching to the choir. Nirvana was my first love. Dude. I, to this day, remember a buddy of mine playing it for me.

And it was a cassette tape. And we were in Newton, Massachusetts. It wasn't even my friend. He was my friend Jimmy's friend. We were over at his house. He was like, you've got to hear this. It's called Nirvana. And we play it, and we were both like, what the fuck? This guy's went deep.

It was Smells Like Teen Spirit. I hadn't really listened to any music at the time that I discovered Nirvana. I discovered Nirvana through Weird Al. Did a parody of Smells Like Teen Spirit that I liked. And then i was like that music sounds pretty cool and then i found the real version and that was like the first time i found him i enjoyed music that wasn't a joke my friend eddie was in a band back in those days and he was like he was in a metal it was like a metal band and um he he was like that song like that

band completely killed metal they completely killed hair bands. Like Poison and those kind of bands, they just died. Yeah. Because they seemed so silly. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, you know, it just seemed like, you know, it's like you had water in your ear, and you got the water out of your ear, and also you could hear. Hey, man, why don't you stuff your ear up with cotton?

No, I'm not into that, dude. I'm not wearing makeup. I'm not putting on hairspray. I'm not teasing my hair up. This is something about the real rawness of that music. I mean, even Guns N' Roses, man. Remember when Axl Rose used to tease his hair? He used his hair all sprayed up

and fucked up like an 80s girl from Dallas. Remember that? Yeah. Nirvana came along and he was like, no more hairspray, bro. This is not working, man. Yeah, I mean, there's so much great comedy that came out of anger and

horrible times. Yeah, there he is. He's teased up here. If you go to the Welcome to the Jungle, Welcome to the Jungle video is the best example of it. It's crazy, man. The different shifts in culture and what's acceptable and then just becomes completely ridiculous. Look at that. Look at all that hair. It's crazy.

But that was what people did back then. Yeah. That was like a big look. I remember he had so many tattoos. I was like, oh, my God, that guy's ruined his body with all his tattoos. What am I asking? I remember thinking that when I was a kid. I still have a natural Midwestern aversion to tattoos.

I think tattoos, I'm starting to grow an appreciation for them, but it's taken me work to get there, and I don't have any myself. It's an embracing in the finite aspect of life. This is not going to last. This idea that you're going to ruin your body forever. Your body's not going to be around forever. What's it going to look like when you're 80? Do you think anybody wants to see your back when you're 80? It doesn't matter if there's a unicorn on it. Your back looks like shit.

You have an old, crazy, wrinkly back. And then when that time comes, you're just going to be concentrating on staying alive. I like the idea of having little snapshots from your life. Even if, say, your tattoo has nothing to do with anything, it's just a cool design, you'll still remember that period of your life a little bit more, I think,

looking at that tattoo. You'll remember when you got it and where you were at that state. That's what Anthony Bourdain has. He has a gang of tattoos all from different trips. He gets them in different trips trips and so it reminds them although I got this in Bali this was from Hawaii this is and having something like that you know it's like it's it's to him it's like these anchors for these incredible experiences that he's had because you know who the fuck has

traveled more over the world than that guy right I think you'd look good in a Japanese bodysuit dude what do you think what's a japanese bodysuit they go crazy yakuza style they go from the neck down they have uh everything all the way your butt all the way down to your feet i'm not picturing what you're describing never seen like a yakuza japanese tattoo bodysuit you never seen these guys it's crazy they do the whole body that's you that's me yeah man i'm telling you you're missing out yeah it's your is your future how old are you why not how old are you now i'm 36 not too late start now start now you'll be done in 10 years just get working by the time you're 46 you look like this dude that's a good look that's scary to me you know i i do i do really like those 3d

tattoos i think that yeah like really good ones yeah yeah if you just like google 3d tattoo images with like the girl's weird like creepy leg that looks hollow um like that yeah that leg there like i think that looks cool as fuck oh yeah that's amazing that's one of the best ones i've ever seen that's incredible really yeah it's bizarre it's so bizarre she looks like a wood carving if you haven't seen it it looks like like she's like a thin piece of wood we've carved out, recesses in it. I think if I was going to get something, it'd either be something like that or... I don't know that I'll ever have a memory that I'll get a tattoo of. Look at that brick star, Jamie.

Look at that brick star in the middle, on the top. Yeah. Whoa. Holy shit. Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. Like, look what he's done to like the outer skin where

it looks like ripped parchment yeah below it is all of his uh his ideas what a great fucking tattoo that's a great tattoo yeah it's you know you got to find a good artist too you got to have someone you trust to draw on you whoa that guy's. That's fucking freaking me out, man. Maybe you should get that shit. Maybe you should get one of your anaconda. Just as a reminder to not jump so much. I still am not afraid of... I still love heights to this day. Really?

Yeah, I won't jump off shit anymore because I'd feel silly if I hurt myself again, but I can't get enough of them. Did you see that? I put a video up on Instagram a couple of days ago that someone sent me. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

James Kingston just posted of him up in Hollywood. That's not as freaky as the one that I put. It is pretty freaky. But this other one is freaky because it's like most of it is looking down and jumping down to their feet on these little ledges. Like, look at this. Watch this. Prepare to shit your pants. Watch this.

Watch this guy. He drops down. I Like, look at this. Watch this. Prepare to shit your pants. Watch this. Watch this guy. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He drops down. Yeah. I mean, he's hanging over the edge. I'm freaking out just watching this. See, that's the kind of stuff that I like. Ah!

I'm way into. Like, I want to do that. Oh, see, dude, my hands are sweating right now. I'm like, dude, okay, we did it. We did it. Let's get out of here. Climb back up. Yeah. i've done weird shit like that so even though you busted your fucking look at this oh jesus christ yeah that's still that seems that's that's like something that

i could see myself doing god damn it son i can't watch this you could see yourself doing that really yeah maybe not the jumping. I don't know. I just have always had, like, I've always been a bit of an adrenaline junkie. I just tend to, I like pushing it a little too far. It gets me in trouble sometimes. Well, I guess it did that one time. Many times in my life.

Yeah? Yeah. What other times? I've been in, like, had to go to jail and stuff like that. What did you have to go to jail for? Just for, like, I've had just drinking mostly. Oh. Just, like, way, way, way back before I was a comedian or anything.

I had a couple drunk driving tickets. And I've run from cops, like, a hundred times in my life. You've run from cops? They caught me once. In a car? No, no, no. On feet? On a car twice, actually.

Twice? Yeah. The first time I got away. The second time I didn't. once yeah in a car no no no like on it on feet on a car twice actually twice yeah um the first time i got away the second time i didn't jesus christ dude you're a fucking criminal yeah yeah i just had like this very sheltered wholesome upbringing that like fucked with my head because it just wasn't like i just knew it wasn't reality and i I just tried to do everything that I could to rebel against it. What kind of car were you driving when you were running away from the cops? I was driving a 95 Honda Civic stick shift. All that happened was... What kind of cops are we raising?

The guy that, I know. So the cop was driving past me, and then he saw me, and then he had to turn around. Right. And I think I was, like, speeding or something like that. But he had to go past me and turn around, and it was, like, in my neighborhood. And I just took a couple turns quick and hid behind a building, turned my lights off. And I saw him, like, I saw him through these windows. It was real intense.

Pull up to the stop sign. I saw him, like saw him through these windows it was real intense pull up to the stop sign I saw him like looking for me back and forth through this road and then I saw him take off in the other direction and then I just fucking flipped around and I got the hell out of there what was he trying what was he looking for you for I think I was just speeding and just robbing banks yeah yeah I think I who knows if I was like swerving or whatever else or you just saw a kid that was you know I was like else, or you just saw a kid that was, you know, I was like 16, 17 at the time, saw a kid that was out at like one in the morning or whatever and might have done something. I don't know. The second time when I got caught, this is so fucking stupid.

I was driving and I was like flying. I don't know what my reasoning was exactly. Like I said, I was an adrenaline junkie, but I was like flying through stop signs and stuff. I was going like 70 miles an hour in a 20 mile an hour zone at like three or four in the morning. I was trying to get back to my friend's house before they went to bed. So I would have a place to crash. That was like my weird logic behind it and also it was fun for me to be it be drunk and driving this fast and I blew through a few

stop signs and then I saw and then I saw this car with its lights on and I'm like fuck that's a cop but I just kept on driving anyway and I that fast and I kept on like swerving around corners and he was catching up to me like pretty easily and um and then when he put his lights on i pulled over and then he came up and i was like oh thank god i thought you were this person that was chasing me they had this this dodge neon that was like similar kind of, I made up like headlights that would look similar story. Yeah. And, and there's like a couple of people,

a couple of cops showed up and I was, because they called me in when I, when they're like, this is, this is a chase. But as soon as the guy put his lights on, I pulled right over. And,

um, and he, uh, I don't know if I was fucking fooling these two good dudes or what, but it was like, I think they're going to let me go. And then this woman showed up that knew me, because I had like 11 underage drinking tickets and shit. She's like, is that Shane Moss?

He's like, he's up to something. Give him a breath of life. And she comes over, and I was wearing a winter coat, and she's like, what's in your pockets? And I looked down, and I was wearing a winter coat, and she's like, what's in your pockets? And I looked down, and I had two beer cans in each pocket that couldn't have been more obvious. I was like, ah, fuck, and I took them out, and that was my second Dewey. Never got another one. Good for you.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good time to end. I was 20 years old, and I had a bit of a rest development. I was a bit immature. I was extremely rebellious, a bit of an adrenaline junkie. Where can people see your show? Because we've got to wrap this up. Yeah, yeah. I have a 65-city tour with my show about psychedelics.

It's called A Good Trip. So if you live in the United States, I will be in your area. I'm making a large loop around the U.S. and then a small loop. And it's Shane Moss on Twitter. M-A-U-S-S dot com. And it's Shane Comedy on Twitter. Shane Comedy on Twitter. Shane, what is on Instagram?

I don't have an Instagram, actually. How dare you? Who are you? And my podcast is HereWeAre. So if you go to HereWeArePodcast.com, I have a different scientist on each week talking about their research. Cool.

Thanks, Shane. This was a lot of fun, man. Thank you so much. I had a great time talking to you. Yeah, me too. I will be back tomorrow with John Anthony of the famed Magical Egypt 1 and 2 DVD series. A fucking fascinating discussion

on Egypt will certainly follow. See you soon. Bye. Thanks so much.