The Joe Rogan Experience - #853 - Adam Greentree

Episode Date: September 28, 2016

Adam Greentree is a bowhunter and photographer from Australia.

with myself five four three two one now most people in america consider calabasas to be one of the safest places that's where the kardashians chose to live not adam green tree not adam green tree lives in australia surrounded by brown snakes which kill you like instantly right not instantly pretty quick yeah pretty quick bunch of how many spiders you have that'll kill you instantly? A ton of them. A hundred. A hundred, right?

You've got crocodiles. You've bathed. I saw the video of you and Cam Haines in a fucking puddle that crocodiles swim around in. That might have been my idea too. But yet, the one day he's in Calabasas, which is like the safest place in America. Untrue, but yep.

Well, tell me what happened. Well, so I hopped out of the hotel first thing this morning to go and try and find a decent coffee here in America. And there's police surrounding the whole area where the coffee shop was. And they had guns drawn and everything. And then I heard later that someone actually had a gun out and there might have even been shots fired yeah crazy stuff and then i'm like at a coffee bean yeah yeah it was had a coffee bean yeah yeah find out what happened jamie see if there's a story we can i i said it was probably like some wife mad at her husband yeah it seemed

more serious called in the police he's got a a gun! Like, that's happened before. That happened with Ron White. I think his girlfriend packed a gun in his luggage. And then, that happened with Sam Kinison, too. His girlfriend packed a loaded gun in his luggage

and then called the police on him. Oh, that's crazy. But straight away, I'm like, it's safer in the mountains with the grizzly bears and crap. Well... Yes and no. Yes, yes and no.

Definitely is. Definitely not safer if you actually run into a grizzly bear. But for the most part, it's pretty peaceful, right? Yeah, most people are worried about grizzly bears, but you could be around them for days and days, and most likely nothing's going to happen. Most likely. Most likely.

But when you were up there, did you run into some wolves? Yeah. Well, I seen wolves, and then the grizzly bear is the one that sort of really scared me. I had a handgun out, and I actually had to draw that handgun a few times while I was up in the mountains. Yeah, there was one real big grizzly, like size 11 boots, that come in around camp and was hunting all the trails around camp. Size 11 boots. So it's like a 12-inch pad? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah. How big do you think it was? Did you see the actual bear itself? Yeah. So once I actually killed the bull, which was about day 10 or 11, he was sleeping on the carcass about 60 meters from it. He was sleeping on your carcass?

Yeah. And then... He slept on it. Did he eat some of it? He didn't touch it. What? Yeah, it was like the first day it. Did he eat some of it? He didn't touch it. What? Yeah, it was like the first day. So I killed that bull in the afternoon, packed out a decent load of meat that night,

went back in the first morning, the next morning, to pack out the rest of the meat, and was going in there looking, thinking there could be a bear on the carcass. And sure enough, I seen a bit of brown hair in the creek bottom. So he's just sleeping on it? Just sleeping there. And so I yelled at him. He pricked his ears up and had a look around. I yelled at him the second time and he jumped up.

And he disappeared like that, like scary. That's how quick he, this is thick timber, a lot of deadfall and everything. And he just disappeared through that. And it actually got me thinking that if you didn't see a bear coming from a distance, handgun, bear spray, whatever you've got, you'd be in serious trouble. Because he just left that scene dead quiet and in a flash. They can move so fast in those pads that they have on the bottoms of their feet. It makes them so silent. Padded and quiet, yeah.

And you would think that a thousand pound animal wouldn't be able to move that quick. So I'm strapping meat to my pack. Obviously, there's always a blind spot when you're hunched over. And I reckon it took me three times longer to get the meat on my pack because I was just constantly looking over, waiting for that bear to come back. Because I haven't actually been to the carcass again yet. I've seen the bear on the way back in. Pretty scary.

How big was it? Giant. Big. Like 11 feet tall? Yeah, it'd be 11 feet tall yeah scary and you're alone yeah deep deep deep deep deep at the end of that hunt i was talking to the fishing game warden in the area and a big grizzly had gone into another hunter's camp on the mountain and just absolutely destroyed his camp now i don't know if it was the same bear or a different bear but on three occasions a big brown bear or grizzly come back into my camp and each night that he'd come in he'd get a little bit closer so the first night he circled camp about 50 60 meters away the next night he circled camp about 30 meters away

and the third time he came in he come right into the back of camp like 15 meters away let out this gnarly growl and at this point my buddy grant hughes has come in to help me pack out some meat he's in his tent i'm in my tent when this you hear this bear walking in through the snow and lets out a growl i didn't want to go like grant did you hear that or grant there's a bear in camp i didn't want to let the bear know that i'm in the tent man i just laid there dead quiet i had the handgun sitting on my chest loaded ready to go and um i laid awake for like three hours like you heard the bear walk off and i laid awake for three hours and i get up in the morning i'm like dude did you hear that bear and he's like did i hear the bear holy shit dude i didn't want to move or make a sound he had the same idea as me didn't want to give away his location and i'm like yeah it's like

took me three hours to get to sleep and he's like sleep you got fucking sleep what the fuck he was like hell pissed off man he laid awake all night well you're in like a tent burrito yeah human burrito even staying warm in your sleeping bag you know like he's got to be able to smell you too they must know you're in there. Yeah. Would I wonder if they were, well, if they smell you and then they smell the meat, what they would be more attracted to? I don't know. I don't reckon I smell real good, so hopefully the meat. I bet they like things that don't smell good though. They probably do, yeah. Meat was hanging out probably a good mile from camp at like, because we had a few

different drop points because it was such a, it was a four days hike camp at like a because we had a few different drop points because it was such a it was four days hike out of meat so we had different drop points along the way and i never wanted to take any meat in the camp except for what i'd be eating each night which cooked meat might smell pretty good to a bear but i was more concerned about the scent that we would be carrying on our boots from meat site to meat site and then walking back in the camp but that bear had already been in the camp. He knew where we were, and he was doing his rounds, obviously, every night. Have you done an adventure like this before? This is an epic adventure because you went to Montana.

You parked, and then how many miles did you go deep into the woods? It was probably about 12 miles in the end. That's no trails or anything like that, 12 miles in. 12 miles into Montana. Yeah. I mean, Montana is, if folks have never visited Montana, the end that's no trails or anything like that 12 miles in 12 miles into montana yeah i mean that is montana is if you folks have never visited montana is one of the most unspoiled parts of america like below alaska but not far below yeah so you're already super remote like we're already a long

way from anywhere and parked at a trailhead and, so obviously I had 11 days solo by myself and then my buddy Grant come in to help me pack that bull out. It ended up being 14 days in the end by the time we got the meat out. Wow. Yeah, it's cool. I've done similar adventures because a lot of back home in Australia is all super remote. So 90% of it's backcountry, really back home.

But it's a different kind of backcountry when you're dealing with wolves and bears. Yeah, it definitely is. This was solo, minimal gear because everything's in your backpack that you've got for the hunt. So it's super light, and you're cutting down on a lot of essentials that you need just to get back in there. When you do this, i've been obsessed with uh lightweight backpacking lately i've been i've been paying attention to um these guys that do the appalachian trail yep they hike from georgia all the way up to maine it takes five months that's insane they're insane but it's one of those things there's a real problem with the

human brain it's like we were talking about our pal Cam Haynes in this 200-mile run he just did. And when there's a challenge in front of you and you find out that someone has done it before, you start going, hmm, man, maybe I could do 200 miles. It's like there's something fucked up about people's brains where when you find that someone's doing something, you're like, I have zero desire to take five months out of my life and walk from Georgia to Maine. Yeah, but I bet you once you got it done, that's the difference. Well, part of my brain was like, hmm. I started thinking about it, and then I'm like, shut up, stupid.

You're not fucking hiking to Maine. Stop it. But part of me was listening to this guy. It was on the Rich Outdoors. You've done Rich's podcast for it. It's his podcast. One of his buddies is a trail guy, and they were talking about lightweight gear and how they pack, the difference between what a guy uses for hunting and what someone uses for just these long, long, long, long hikes where they essentially wear the same clothes for five months. That sounds hygienic.

Yeah. for five months. That sounds hygienic. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess you maybe get a chance occasionally to wash them somewhere, but everything is like the lightest possible stuff that you could have. And when you do this, say if you're going to go out there and you're planning on how many days? 15. I wanted to do at least half the month in Montana and I wanted to do the other half of the month in Idaho. So 15 days and a little bit of the trip's got to be unprepared in a sense. When you're doing 15 days, that sort of hunt, because the country's like straight up and down. There's no other way to do it. There's no, I'm going to drive to the ridgeline or I'm going to walk a decent trail to the ridgeline or take an ATV and it's just all on foot straight up and down country so and and to have a little bit of roughness to a trip like that you know where you are roughing it that's that's a bit of the appeal as well you know

and the experience in doing it so um i was just talking with with the guys at hoyt and they were asking um what's the essentials that you had in your pack that you wouldn't go without and I'm like well how about I tell you about the stuff that I wish I had in my pack and that I didn't go without like what stuff do you wish I didn't I didn't take any rain gear in what I didn't take any rain gear in and I didn't check the weather before I went in deliberately because I didn't want any deterrent on the trip like oh it's going to snow or it's going to hail or there's going to be gale force winds i shouldn't go in today or i should pack this extra i just i wanted to ignore all that just go in just live in the wilderness basically with the minimal and um i got all that weather i got hail three times i got gale force winds i got rain followed by snow so soak and wet

then freeze and cold and you just had to stay active the whole time like i'd literally get to a mountain and i'd sit down for two minutes and you'd go from to sweating to freezing cold because you're wet and actually hike the mountain just to get warm were you wearing wool nah all synthetics so synthetics in some in some cases it's uh harder to maintain your body temperature yeah when you sweat there's pros and perks to both yeah so like i've got a synthetic sleeping bag as well it weighs a little bit more but i could jump in that sleeping bag wet at night and wake up in the morning dry that's that's a little bit of the difference and it will dry out the next day and uh it doesn't get never carries any weight your synthetics so i just had

like a small uh hoodie a little hoodie and i had some undergarments and that was about it for the whole trip but as far as like sweating in your clothes and getting your stuff wet wool maintains body temperature better it does yeah yeah it does next to skin is really good. So like Under Armour's got some really good next to skin clothing and I'll get wet in that next to skin clothing and stay warm because it's similar to a wetsuit. A wetsuit's designed to have some liquid in it and the liquid gets warm and keeps your body warm. that next to skin clothing is the same where it's sitting right on your skin and it's going to stay warm like that so is it like a spandex almost or something yeah it is yeah yeah it looks um a bit pansy when you're walking around

like a superhero yeah like robin hood and tights so so that was a fuck up right you should have probably brought some rain gear well i don't want to call it a fuck up because i deliberately deliberately done it. Right. To keep weight down. But how much weight is like a lightweight rain poncho? I don't want to know. A few ounces? Let's just say it was really heavy and I couldn't carry it.

It seems like it's not that heavy. Yeah, but where do you stop? Where do you stop, dude? Well, that is the big question, right? Yeah, it's where do you stop? And I was already hiking in going, this is killer. killer like this is hurting um how heavy was your pack yeah i don't get into that sort of stuff you don't weigh it nope i don't weigh it i don't yeah you just go so the food i'll just go there's a dinner there's there's some lunchtime snacks now if there's some

energy and that's it if you go in for 15 days how many days were the food do you carry i only took in 10 because i was confident of killing a bull right yeah exactly yeah and um i didn't run out because i shot a grouse i cooked the grouse up then i killed my bull and i was eating meat and i was even cooking meat and then packing it the next day to eat cold which obviously helped and it's a have you heard this story about meat and then packing it the next day to eat cold, which obviously helped. And it's a, have you heard this story about me and Cam going on the Arnhem Land trip in the Northern Territory and not packing any food? People haven't heard this.

No, he hates me. Well, this is the most ridiculous thing ever because you guys had to filter buffalo piss water. Because buffaloes... It still tastes like piss. The color went out of it, but it had the same taste, had the same smell. And my question is, if the water's filtered, shouldn't the smell leave it? Yes.

It should, shouldn't it? Yeah, you're drinking piss. You're drinking piss, basically. For sure you guys drank piss. I bet you it's got hell awesome energy in it, though. Because of buffaloes? Yeah, I suppose. Why don't you just suck a buffalo's dick, feel even better about yourself what energy i have this is amazing

i don't know why you think you get pissed i told him to do it first at least i told him to drink the water first yeah he can test it he's fine well they have those crazy filtration systems where you like gravity filters is that what you used yeah so i took one of those in the mountains on this trip as well. I never pulled it out. I never used it once because I was always drinking water from the highest source, like, directly where it's coming out of the mountain. And if you do that, you're okay?

You don't have to worry about going to the jar? No, I don't know. I don't want to say yes because everyone will go and do it and get sick and sue my ass. But I've never, I've always had an iron stomach. And I think it's from just doing all that sort of stuff as a kid. You sort of grow with that, and I think your body creates its own defense against things like that. I'm a massive believer in that, actually. It's the same with being dirty.

Personal hygiene is obviously a big thing, but I'll eat a chocolate bar with with elk blood all over my hands after skinning or deboning an elk and i think that's perfectly natural and normal in that sense um i've never been sick i've drunken some silly looking water like that but i just think if you're at the top of the mountain where the water's first coming out of the hill out of the rocks then you're safe because there's nothing along the line there like a an old animal carcass freaking wolf shit sitting in the water or something like that to make you sick it's coming right out of the ground it's coming right out of the ground literally catch it as the streams yeah that makes sense it's like a well and that's handy

as well because i'm camped at the top so i want to find the highest water source so i don't have to drop down so far each day. Right. Collect water. It's always a good feeling, actually, when you come across fresh water like that. So how many liters is your pack? How heavy is your pack? It's a 2200.

Oh, it's a small pack. Yeah. Wow. It's not a big pack at all. That's very small. Yeah. It's the Badlands. That's crazy.

You use a 2200 liter pack for a 15 day hunt? Yep. That's how light I'm going in. I have a couple of things that are strapped to that pack, which would make it bigger than that. But generally everything fits inside that pack. So what's in the pack? Do you take a jet boil? Yeah.

So I've got similar. It's a MSR reactor. They're really good. You can actually, I used it in the cold. It was that freezing in my tent, like the whole tent froze over. I actually turned it on in the tent to warm the tent when I was getting changed or unchanged at night. A little bit pansy, but hey, it got it done and put a smile on my face. Boils water super quick, you know, so if the weather's miserable and you just want to get it done, it boils water super quick. And you run a tank of propane, small?

Yeah, just a real little backpack one. And then because I went in there when it was stinking hot. It was cooking. It was the hottest weather you'd have. You wouldn't even imagine having a fire in that weather from risk of a wildfire, starting the bushfire, to it hailed, it rained, and it snowed. Everything got wet. It was safe at that point to have a fire, and then a lot of the cooking that I end up doing was just over the fire, I was saving my gas each night, because I would have ran out of gas

before those 15 days were up if I was using just that one canister the whole time, and that, you'd end up having to pack out, go into town, buy the gas, and then pack all the way back in, you'd end up losing two two days because it was a full day walking out with no weight at all, like just speed walking down the mountain trying to get out of there was a full day. So, yeah, I've got my reactor. I've got my water filter, but like I said, I never used it. I've got a small one-person tent, a mattress, a really good sleeping bag. It's actually overrated for the

conditions but i always think you're better off going overrated you get some bad weather like i had and you've got an underrated sleeping bag and you're not getting sleep you're going to miss hunting hours for sure um then i've just got a couple of knives i've got a full safety kit bandages um i've actually been carrying i didn't use them on this trip either, but a little, like, water filtration pill, which is always handy. So you didn't have to carry your filter kit every day. If you come across some decent water that was down low, you could just put the pill in.

But where a lot of people go wrong with the water filtration and the pills is you still require both if you come across dirty water because the pill's only going to kill bacteria within reasonably clear water it's not going to kill the solids so if you're scooping up dirty water putting a pill in and then drinking it anything with that's within the solids of that water you're still going to get sick from so you in a sense you still you still need the the two of them if you want to hunt like that but the the water filtration is awesome because it's 99.999% of all bacteria it's going to filter out of your water and the pills are what like it's a chlorine

or something yeah they're like a chlorine pill yeah there's a few different ones out on the market so you take those essentials you essentially wear the same clothes every day? Same clothes every day. I take a few, change the socks and underwear, and yeah, same clothes every day. And then if I did get a hot day, this was the plan, it never, ever happened, but if I did get a hot day and I came past a stream, I was actually going to wash some clothes in like a dry bag, just a bit of water in the clothes, and then hang them them up and I just never got that break in the weather and I wanted to hunt every day and every minute of light so I'd just get up in the morning and put wet clothes on if I didn't dry

them on the fire that night so it sounds like most of the weight in your pack is food generally yep just 10 days of food and how many pounds of food are you taking a day around two yeah maybe a bit less yeah might have been a bit less i smash the chocolate bars when i'm out there in the mountains oh dude why chocolate bars i smash chocolate alone but when i'm in the mountains i really smash chocolate um i just like that bit of a fix and a bit of a it's a bit of a pick up you know and to keep you going and it's no different than a fire, you know. Like if you get a fire going at night, it's that like bit of a boost, like a spirit boost. And it's the same as a chocolate bar. Just to sit down and holler away on a chocolate

bar. Just, yeah, life's good. Keep going. Doesn't matter. But as far as like energy, don't you crash when you have one of those things? Do you go up high and get a sugar crash? No, I don't really crash. It's funny. i hear it with a lot of people but yeah i never crash brendan burns was saying the same thing he brings like snickers bars yep snickers bars look really good milky ways they're like a mars bar back in australia but like milky ways here anything sugary good well i also would imagine the amount of calories you're burning when you're walking up mountains like that yeah with a pack on a heavy pack it's huge i had um but i had the

desire to actually go and do this trip and do a bit of weight loss at the same time i think if i wasn't going to do weight loss at the same time then i i probably pack some more food some more goodies but so you did it on purpose? Yeah, I did it on purpose. I need to lose some weight. Yeah, I did. And I did. I lost weight. Yeah, I lost a lot of weight doing it.

But yeah, definitely done it on purpose. There'd be some days where I'd just have a snack in the morning for breakfast, like an energy bar, an actual energy bar in the morning. And I'd go all the way through. And I wouldn't hike back in the camp till 11.30 at night because I was trying to stay out where I thought the bulls were and I'd have a quick dinner in camp that night and that was it and I wouldn't even feel hungry throughout the day um I think it's just from being so active and obviously good water intake whenever you can

um I just there was never a point where I'm like oh far out I'm starving today you know I'm not going any further until I eat or anything like that it was just it was all go go go and yeah now when you take a plan like this when you decide to go on a deep deep mountain hunt like this what do you uh how do you pick where you're going are you uh you studying google earth are you getting tips from people studying google earth Google Earth is the big one. Yeah. And I'd suggest for anyone that wants to do a backpack hunt, you know, like a do-it-yourself hunt, is study Google Earth. And I would do a radius. I'd look for a radius with the least amount of roads, any sort of infrastructure around it, like the most wilderness-looking area.

Even away from trailheads. I hate being near a trailhead or where there's a trail that people are going to be walking in on or anything like that like i mean real backcountry you've got to bush bash it to get in there just find you know do your research find the area with with the least amount of activity and then put a dot in the middle or roughly in the middle and that's where you should set up camp and like get in there live with the bulls or whatever animals you're hunting get in there and live with them and um i think not being afraid to fail on a hunt the big one because you know a lot of people oh there might not even be any bulls there but you know who cares it's going to be an awesome experience anyway

and it's a place that you can tick off the list i'm not going back there there was nothing there and then next year try the next spot or the next week try another spot um i had hunted around that area previously and so i knew there was elk in the area um i just had never been that far back in before and i tell you to tell you the truth it nearly completely failed on me because i went days and days without hearing or seeing a an elk but the the sign was there to say they were in in there it's just that the grizzlies and the the wolves were hunting that area so hard that it shut the elk up and pushed a lot of them out of the area yeah and then i was nearly the new food source so wow so when you get in there and you don't see anything for a couple

of days like what what what is the mindset like what do you there's heaps of doubt and there's always that it's like you second guess yourself this was a stupid move you shouldn't have came in here you need to change spots but then it's like but at the same time you're experiencing this for a reason this is how hunting should be hunting should be hard you should hunting should never be unless you've done your research going into a place and there's just like game walking past you everywhere there should always be because that's the hunt right finding it or going through the hardship to find it tracking it finding find and where's the better spot within that area so at the same time that

my mind's like you know you've made a bad decision this is a crap spot to be there's the whole experience of like no this is how hunting should be should be difficult you should have to work your ass off to try and find the animal and when you actually do find the animal how much better is it because you know it's just like if if you hunted for 11 months and you didn't see a bull you found a bull you had a shot and you missed but then the next one you get how good's that next one that you get you know if that was the case and it was very similar on this trip where i put in all that effort didn't see an animal one opportunity a bull comes in i end up calling that bull from like a mile away you could just hear him coming up this

canyon and i did that shot and dude, dude, I teared up. I was crying because I knew how much had gone into it, you know. And it's not just the effort, but, you know, like, obviously, I'm away from my wife, Kim, and the kids. I'm away from the kids for a month now. There's all that sacrifice. There's all the hardship. There's all the effort.

There's walking in. There's putting up with that absolutely atrocious weather. And then, finally, one opportunity comes up and you kill that animal, as well as killing the animal. effort there's walking in there's putting up with that absolutely atrocious weather and then finally one opportunity comes up and you kill that animal as well as killing the animal that's a hard thing to do man i balled up i was crying like i think i cried a dozen times every time i thought about it when i was standing over the bull i was crying wow and i'm like that's why it's got to be that hard so you can appreciate the animal so you realize what has to go into the hunt to actually get something killed. I think every hunt should be like that.

I hope they're not. Well, there's a lot of elk in Montana, but Montana is so huge. Yeah. I mean, it's such a massive, massive place. And the amount of wilderness that you're encountering, if you have herds of elk all over the place, it's super likely that you could wind up in a spot with nothing around you for miles and miles around. Yeah, exactly. So I think the hard bit with that country that I've been going into is the wolf population is getting so big. I know you love wolves.

There's pictures of frigging wolves in this joint everywhere. I do love them. I want to shoot one. I want to shoot a dozen of them. Well, they're scary. Yeah, they are definitely scary. What's weird is what we were talking about before the podcast started. You were talking about Australia and what you call the greenies,

which are the green people that want to – they don't want animals to die and they want this population to explode. But there's not a balance. And that was the idea behind reintroducing wolves was to create a balance because there was a lot of animals that were living in the Yellowstone greater you know yellowstone area and so they introduced these wolves but the problem was they had an agreement when they introduced these wolves that when they reached a sustainable population they reached a certain numbers, several thousand wolves, then they would open up a hunting season on them to try to control the population.

But as soon as they reached that number, the people that were involved in the relocation of the wolves and the wildlife protection people and all the people that are like really animal rights advocates, they backed out of it and they said no we don't want any hunting on any of these wolves ever yeah and so there's this big battle and a lot of states have opened up hunting seasons on wolves montana included but it's still there's a battle there's a battle to try to control the wolf populations it's funny like i went so i went in the yellowstone last year after my hunt, just sightseeing. I had all my photography gear. And I didn't see a single elk. You've got to go near where the people are. I saw a ton of them.

Isn't that crazy? I was there with my kids. I got selfies with fucking elk. Yeah, I didn't see any wolves though either. The whole time I was like, fucking wolves. They wrecked this joint, but I didn't see either. No. And I was like, the whole time I was like, fucking wolves. They wrecked this joint, but I didn't see any wolves either. Well, the elk has decided that people are super safe because no one has hunted in Yellowstone for, you know, a hundred and whatever the hell years.

So when you go to the visitor area, when you first pull into Yellowstone, like Yellowstone has like this, and this is on the Montana side, Yellowstone has this area where there's like a gas station and there's like a store. And it's fucking elk everywhere. Like, I'll show you my phone. Crazy, yeah. I got selfies. I got elk selfies. But they're not even remotely nervous about people.

They don't care, yeah. Oh, well, you know how to do shit to them. You know these axis deer that you have in Texas, the chittle deer? Look at your stupid head. head yeah that's all I've seen but I see this elk in the background too yeah oh they're just living in the hotels by looks of it isn't that hilarious they're just chilling back there and there was a gang of them man that's awesome they were all over the place they were uh it's it's really weird because it's like right when you pull into the area yeah all you see is just loads of elk everywhere.

They're all hanging out. So the chittle deer that we have, they go and live near the station. So a station in Australia obviously is just like a ranch, like a big farm. Because of the dingoes, just smash the population. So those chittle deer, they go and live near the homesteads because the dingoes are less likely to come around the homestead so it's really crazy and then you move if you're hunting you'd be like ah screw this i'm going back into the back country you know there's going to be

heaps more deer back there compared to around the house and there'll be no deer out there at all or they'll be very limited there'll be there'll be the stags that are moving through the area and that's about it the nucleus of the chitledeer live around the homestead where it's safe they're not dumb that's interesting that's the same thing with deer in around here you find them in suburban areas yeah but you also find coyotes in suburban areas yeah exactly but less mountain lions mountain lions try to avoid human populations more and that's what usually gets the deer out yeah well all the news back home has been mountain lions in behind your house probably there's quite a few yeah yeah they take pictures of them there's bobcats i've seen bobcats out near me but there's there's uh mountain lions in california for sure there's quite a few of them california is an interesting place because uh you know california

they don't want to control the predators they They want the predators to control the game population. And because of that, there's not that many deer here. Yeah. I understand that. And I can see the method behind it. You know, my issue is that humans, in a sense, are the ultimate predator, right? And that everything should be not controlled, but, you know, what's the good way of saying this is that that being the apex predator that we are we are you know we've obviously got a part in that the whole food chain

as well when it comes to things like that some people don't agree with that yeah i understand that and and i can see you know we're talking before about the wolves being introduced to control the population and the numbers. But there's obviously got to be a point where the wolves are controlled as well, right? So who does that? Well, that was all done early, early on in North America because of cattle ranchers. So what they would do is they would shoot wild horses. They had a huge wild horse problem. And the wild horse problem is actually, it's re-emerging. There's quite a few wild horses in North America and they're trying to figure out

what to do with them. And it's really controversial. It's kind of interesting. But what they would do back then was they would shoot these wild horses and then they would shoot a wolf. They would shoot like one of the alphas and they would take the wolf and rub it and take its scent glands and rub it all over the dead horse and then fill the horse up with strychnine. So the other wolves would come around, they would smell their missing alpha friend, and they would eat this horse carcass, and they would get the strychnine and die. So doing that, they extirpated wolves from the majority of the American West. That's how they killed them all.

It's really, but then they realized that they did a terrible thing by doing that and so they started reintroducing them there's a balance somewhere obviously i love wolves i think they're cool as hell but there's a there's a there is a balance but the balance is real tricky it's because like there's a very small number of them in was State, but the small number of them, the small number of wolf packs have started attacking cattle ranches, and they're killing these cattle. And so these ranchers want these wolves killed, and so they've decided to kill some of the wolves. And it's a huge controversy in Washington State because they're like, look, there's not that many fucking wolves, and you guys are going to kill these wolves because they're killing the cattle. But you're going to kill the cattle, too. Yeah, yeah.

Like, if you want to have cattle, this is the price you pay. But I'm sure you've seen how they run cattle out here. They just let them roam around on public land. You know, when we were in Nevada, we were deer hunting with Steve Rinella. Yeah, yeah. And we saw a lot of deer. There were deer everywhere. But we saw way more cows.

Fucking cows are everywhere. And they just, they roam all throughout this public land. And the ranchers pay some sort of a fee. And that was what that whole thing was going on. Yeah, a lot of that happens back home in Australia as well. Yeah, so they roam all over the place. There's fucking cow shit everywhere. We're essentially, we're camping out.

So we're sleeping on cow shit. There's cow shit everywhere you look. Was it comfortable? It was not bad. Did you like spread it out a bit first? Well, I actually wound up sleeping in the back of the Suburban. We had a Suburban and I was like, why are you guys going to sleep on the ground?

Would you just fold the seats back and sleep on this flat area? So I camped out in the back of a Suburban while these dummies are sleeping on the ground. On cow patties, like all hunched over. over well they want to be down with nature man down with cow poo if you want to be down with nature take off the sleeping bag you want to really get but exactly but it's um you know these animals if you're going to let them wander around like that roam free which is nice because they're essentially almost wild. They're free-range cattle. They're eating grass. It's the healthiest cattle you could eat.

But wolves like to eat them too. And so it's real tricky. It's like where do you draw the line there? It's not that many wolves, and these wolves are eating these cows. But to the ranchers, each cow is worth several thousand dollars every time a wolf kills a cow. That's a big loss of income. Yeah.

I suppose it's working. There's got to be some sort of line there where we work in conjunction with wildlife, whether you're a rancher or not, whether you're losing income or not. That's got to be part of the system. Maybe it should be subsidized by the taxpayers. Instead of killing the wolves, maybe they should subsidize some of these ranchers. I mean, if these wolves are killing, it's only a certain amount. As long as they've taken some measure of protection to try to keep the wolves away.

But to ensure a healthy wolf population would ensure a balanced ecosystem. They can't bring it back to where they used to be. Because where they used to be, there was no wolves. Yeah, exactly. There's a funny thing at home, how you're saying it should be subsidized. So obviously my business is in northwestern Australia for the mines. And they've got their own private train line. They run their own trains with iron ore.

And the train line's unfenced so the cattle can cross the train line. Anytime a train hits one of those cows, they've got to pay the farmer, you know. Oh, wow. And I've heard stories about the farmer just going out and shooting his cattle along the train line anytime a train hits one of those cows oh they've got to pay the farmer you know oh wow and i've heard stories about the farmer just going out and shooting his cattle along the the train line so the mines pay him pay him for the the cows oh because they look like they're being hit yeah yeah it's pretty funny oh that's hilarious so maybe we could do something like that with where the wolves just pay out every time they kill a cow hey some people believe that shit well someone would probably do that there's probably some unscrupulous people but that then they'd get caught and then they'd get prosecuted it would balance itself out but there's a certain amount of numbers where they

the wolves reach a high population number where all the other animals start getting threatened like there was a recent situation in wyoming where these wolves killed 19 uh elk and didn't even eat them they just killed them just thrill killing just fucking around having a good time you know yeah so they will do that that's the point where obviously we've got to stand in make a good decision whether it's a tag system or or some sort of culling you know i think before the program we're talking about where kangaroos need to be culled because it's a little bit like, yeah, so the greens don't want to. The greenies.

The greenies. You know, they don't want to kill the kangaroos. But for the better benefit of kangaroos, there has to come a point where the numbers need to be controlled. Otherwise, they eat their self out of land and home. They get diseases. And it takes weeks to die, like a suffering death.

Yeah. Like no one wants that. So you can't be just for one and not the other. My buddy, Mike Hawkridge, he lives up in BC, in Northern BC, British Columbia. And he was attacked by a wolf. Like he had shot a wolf in midair as it was jumping at him. They have so many wolves up there that they have literally uh had open season like there's no tag limits you could shoot wolves all day long to go there yeah

it's we went up there and this is uh we were moose hunting that's where i got this one and uh we found a calf that had been torn apart by wolves and it's really fascinating but he put this up on his uh instagram his um his instagram is bcoutfitter. bcoutfitter. This is him last night. Listen to this shit. Oh, that's awesome. This is just last night.

I'd be howling back. Come in, baby, and see what happens. Well, that's what started. He actually started it. He started the howl. We can hear it here. Ah. Yeah, he called them.

That's him. That's eerie, that sound. When you're in camp by yourself and you hear that going all the way around you. What a fucking awesome animal. It's cool and eerie at the same time. It's the coolest animal ever. Because they're smart, they operate in packs, they have a really complex social system.

I'll tell you this cool little story. When I was in Northwest Territory, just above the Arctic Circle, the first time I'd been into that country, like the Mackenzie Mountains, and I was actually hunting moose, but i had a wolf tag as well and the very first morning like we get up out of the tent we walk out up the river i'm with a guide byron and i see like a pack of wolves coming down the river so they'd been hunting that area i think it'll end up being day three they they chased the caribou up and down the river, like just to a lathering sweat. Then they chased it in the river and they surrounded it in the river.

And that caribou, and it was a bull as well, got to the point, its whole body was quivering because it's been really hot and then it's been chased into this freezing cold river. At that point, the wolves just left it and they all went up and sat in the sun because they were all wet as well. They went and sat in the sun and they got all dry and then it was like mother nature just took over from that point they they got the caribou to the point where they knew it was going to die and left it and ended up it couldn't hold its own legs up and ended up laying down in the river and

drowning in the river whoa how cool is that that they knew that so the the wolves get to the point where they're like okay we've got to go and sit in the sun now and dry out this thing's dead anyway we're just going to come back to it in an hour once it's drowned in the river what the fuck how do they know that that's crazy and then by that afternoon that caribou was just a rib cage like they just they absolutely plucked every bit of meat and the organs out of that caribou wow how cool is that that's i've got photos of it actually yeah do you really work do you have online anywhere they're probably on my instagram early days instagram yeah so adam green tree bowing i tagged them on my instagram so see if

you could find those jamie yeah but uh you'll see this caribou just standing in the water and um like it was just quivering it was it was done it was done and they knew that it was done and they're just like oh we'll come back in an hour and eat how fucking smart are they how fucking smart are they they know that cool have you also heard that in their spore um there's um something that like elk if they sniff it stays in the dirt forever so they basically shit it out stays in the dirt forever an elk will go along grazing and eat the grass, and this spore attacks the elk's lungs, and it shrinks the lung capacity. So it basically makes the elk tired when they're running

for the wolf to grab them at a later date. Wait a minute. Can we look this up? They eat the elk. They shit out what they ate. Yeah. And spores. Spores are released into the dirt when the elk's eating eating the grass they they take it into their system and and it reduces their

lung capacity it reduces their lung capacity so it's like they're poisoning the elk before they jack them yeah what is that not the ultimate predator or not yeah how is nature. Yeah. How is nature so complex? I don't know. It's cool, isn't it? It's so amazing. Well, the thing about wolves now, too, that's really kind of cool. See, I'm so torn.

I'm so torn. Because on one hand, I love elk hunting. I love elk. I love the idea that they're out there and they're wild. But I'm a big fan of wolves. I love the fact that these wolves

are so fucking badass. How many ranches right now are going, fuck you, Joe Rogan? Well, my friend Mike, where he lives in BC, his neighbor's ranch, a gang of them jumped a cow. Yeah. Like they got hungry in the winter and they said, you know, let's just fucking do this. How much easier of a feed is that? Pretty easy. An elk that runs flat out that's got legs that stand this tall off the ground or a fat cow that's down here that won't even run away, you know?

It's penned in, too. The elk was penned in. Or the cow, rather, was penned in. And they jumped the fence, I guess. This is one of the things that's so appealing to me about bow hunting. It's not actually just bow hunting. It's the whole outdoors, the whole picture. And wildlife, when you get into it like this and you start looking at it and thinking about it, it's crazy.

Who doesn't want to be a part of that? Well, we're so filtered from it for the most part. Most people's interaction with wild animals is the zoo or a squirrel. You know, ooh, look, I see a skunk. You know, ooh, there's an eagle. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I saw an eagle.

Like, it's a big day. oh my goodness oh my gosh yeah i saw an eagle like it's a big day but to actually go to a place like where you went and to hear oh yeah well a lot of people always like oh that's crazy that's it's actually not that crazy when you go out and experience that sort of things happening all the time it's just that people are so disconnected because they're not out there experiencing it i was telling a story about we've got a wedge tail eagle at home and i can hear this pig squealing like read read i'm like like like my ears just can't pick up where this pig squealing's coming from and it's going straight over the top of my head there's a wedge tail eagle with this pig and it flies it over it knew exactly what it was doing and flies it gets it up real, and it drops it perfectly over this rocky outcrop on the mountain to open it up.

Like, that's like me and you going, I need a steak knife to cut into this meat. Yeah. That eagle is just going, I need a rocky outcrop to cut into this meat. How big was the pig? It was pretty decent. It was like this. Like 40 pounds, 50 pounds? Yeah, 40 pounds maybe, 30.

I've seen them drop goats off cliffs. Yeah. Like the goats are climbing cliffs and the eagle swoops down and grabs a hold of it and is like, Get over here. How about that video with the eagle tries to pick up the baby out of the pram or whatever? I don't think that's real. Oh, you don't? Yeah, I think that's fake.

Damn it. Stupid internet. Yeah. Seriously. I'm sure that's probably happened before. Oh, it's definitely happened when you look in the eye

of an eagle you realize oh yeah that thing would eat a baby yeah like the idea that it wouldn't eat a baby is a joke

they're built for it it's just another animal yeah they don't give a fuck no offense to anyone's babies but yeah no offense I love babies but the reality is

there's a great video of this guy in Alaska we've played it on the podcast before the guy with all the eagles in his yard. Eagles in Alaska are so prevalent. I have a friend who goes up there, and she was telling me that they're like pigeons. She's like, they're like fucking pigeons.

They're everywhere. Like, you don't even care anymore. Like, get these fucking things out of here. But this guy's got this backyard, and in his backyard, he's got fucking hundreds and hundreds of eagles. I mean, maybe not hundreds. Maybe a hundred? Fifty? hundreds of eagles i mean maybe not hundreds maybe a hundred 50 50 over 30 okay but they're fucking everywhere is this the video this is the same one so what it is is he's got uh where did i come up with hundreds how dare me so he's got a bunch of fish that he's got laid out oh that's cool. And they've got it. I'm like, look at this.

Look at all these fucking eagles just walking around this guy's backyard. This ain't shit compared to what we're going to show you in a minute, folks. But these eagles are wandering around this guy's yard, and he has his kid take a bucket of fish and dump it out for these eagles. And I just would not be that confident having these fucking monsters coming near my kids no that'd be oh man those are raptors man yeah this is i don't know my little girl would run out there and grab each one of them god look at this thing they're so weird it's such a weird animal that's a living dinosaur right there oh it really is yeah it's such a weird animal. That's a living dinosaur right there. Oh, it really is. Yeah. It's such a weird animal, too.

It's just so strange that we chose that heartless monster as the American bird. You know? I mean, couldn't the American animal be like a puppy or something cute? Yeah. We've got like, on our coins, we've got like platypus and wombat. Nothing with teeth. Nothing with claws. That's a good move. Because this thing is just a living dinosaur,

like literally a raptor, a flying raptor. Look at it. It's just creeping up to it. It wants that fish, but it doesn't want to take a chance at getting shot. I want one. An eagle? Yeah. Up on my property up in the mountains on my farm,

we've got a couple of wedge tails that hang around up there, and whenever we kill a deer, we leave the carcass out. I'll put a scouting camera on it and stuff like that, and just to see these things come down and eat and what they do so cool now a wedge tail eagle is at the size of a golden eagle or a bald eagle yeah they get a couple of meters in wingspan they're huge oh wow so it is like that big yeah yeah wow have you ever seen the um harpy eagle That's the biggest one. Really? Yeah, it lives in Venezuela, and they eat monkeys. And it's fucked up to watch, man. It's really crazy. That would be a monkey.

How stressful would your life be? I think about that shit all the time. I'd just be straight up stressing the whole time. I'd just lay out and be like, just get it over and done with. Yeah, and they love sloths, because sloths are just designed to get fucked up by eagles. I love sloths too. They're cool. This eagle is goddamn huge.

Look at the monkeys like, fuck this. The monkeys like, get out of here, man. But the sloth can't do anything. They're just so slow. They can't do shit. Shit.

Except for stare at it and go, piss off. Look at, he just walks up to it and grabs it. He's like, let me just fucking claw the shit out of you here, dude. Bloody get off me, you cunt.

Don't touch me. Look at this poor sloth. Not a goddamn thing you can do. Look at him. Whoa, this is a weird one. I haven't seen this video. Watch out, I'll touch your titties. Get out of here.

The only one I've seen before is one swoops down and grabs one. This one actually says sloth fights back. Oh, barely. I mean, I don't know if it's really a fight, but... Look at that speed. Joe, that's going to be you when you're 90. Get out of here. You son of a bitch.

I'll get you an headlock. I'll fucking kill you. Just so weird that nature gave this animal no defense system. Yeah. I mean, nature just fucked the sloth. How cool are they, though? Sloth. You see that one walking, and it's like...

It almost looks like it's got bloody algae growing on it. That green one that's coming up to the road? How weird are they, though? Sloth. You see that one walking, and it's like, it almost looks like it's got bloody algae growing on it. That green one that's coming up to the road? How weird are they? Well, a lot of them do have mold. Do they? Yeah, they do have green growing on them. They look like they smell bad. There's one at a zoo here that has all this mold grow all over its back, and you can, yeah, look at that right there.

Yeah, that's the one. It's because they move so slow that literally moss and shit can grow on them. What a fucking goofy-ass animal. They're very productive, Jamie. As soon as you say something, he's like, boom. He's the best. Jamie's the best. Look at this thing.

High-rise man. He needs another one. Another raise. Another raise for Jamie. Look at this fucking thing, man. Look at how crazy. I mean, that doesn't even look real. If you told me that that was a creature in a movie, I'd be like, that's going to come and get you.

That's the bogey monster. Oh, my God. The bogey monster who comes in the middle of the night, slowly climbs up to your bed. He only eats babies. That's what it looks like. It looks like some fake animal. It's crazy that technology has brought us this far, where we can look at a video right now at that sloth. But to tell you the truth, if you hadn't traveled the world, you wouldn't even't even know that animal really existed well that's why they used to have to have zoos

that's one of the main reasons why i'm opposed to zoos yeah i mean i'm i'm pro zoo as far as like they raise a lot of money for conservation there's some animals that actually thrive in zoos like we were joking around about it the other day about giraffes i used to have this joke in my act about giraffes don't give a fuck about being in the zoo they don't feel bad at all they love it they just wander around going another day with no lions and they just slowly wander around because giraffes are the only animal where you let babies feed them but what if they don't realize they've got life that good like us today you know like it takes a backcountry hunt for you to go home and go shit i just flick a switch and a light comes on i turn a tap and hot water comes on.

Those giraffes are probably just ignorant and they really don't know, you know? They definitely don't know. The truth is they've got a good, there's not lions chasing them every day. Well, what's fucked up about the Santa Barbara Zoo, Santa Barbara Zoo is great, but the fucking, the giraffe cage is right next to the lion cage. Like literally. Is that to remind them, oi, this is what it could be like?

That's what they should do. They should let them out for a week. They should let them out for a week, let lions and shit chase them around, let them back in the zoo and go, see, that's what it could be like. What do you want? Yeah, stop being such an asshole.

Just eat your lettuce. But look at this. People can feed them. Look at that little kid. Look at that little kid. No one's even remotely worried about the behavior of giraffes. They've never exhibited any aggressive behavior towards people. Except for that little kid.

He looked a bit stressed. Ah, he just didn't know. He's just maybe a little pussy. How about that? Kid's going to grow up. Learn jujitsu and kick your ass. I don't think he's going to need more than jujitsu for a giraffe. He'll be about 90.

You'd be right. You need a Hoyt. So these giraffes are right next to this fucking cage where, I mean, they're only separated by a couple of fences. There's two fences and right over there is these lionesses. That's awesome. And you can get, they have thick glass. You can get right, like where you are to me, you can get right up to the lion.

Really? And when you get right up to him, you feel so vulnerable. Like, you know know there's glass, but that cat's looking at you and you're like, your whole body just starts going, get the fuck out of here. And so it should.

That's your instinct, saying, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, there's something about cats, man. Oh, you've seen this one

where this baby is standing there and it turns its back and the lion, boom, the lion can't even help it. Yeah. No,

it's just the instinct. Yeah. But as soon as the kid turns its back, the lion can't even help it. No, it's just the instinct. But as soon as the kid turns its back, it's like, now. Fuck, man. Shit. Did you see any mountain lions when you were out there? One come into the kill site. His prints were all through the snow there. Really?

Yeah, and that country is pretty known for mountain lions as well. Two or three years ago when I was in there and we got fresh snow and I went right up high, big mountain tracks. And that's just because there was fresh snow. I'm sure there was fresh mountain tracks everywhere I walked every day, but it's just that there was fresh snow and it left the tracks perfectly in the snow. Like how many times do you walk past a mountain lion and it's staring at you? Or how many times has there been a mountain lion off in the distance looking at you? And you had no idea it was there they're there you don't know they're there and then every now and then i'll you'll get a weird feeling like i'm being all right it's a

funny sense you know and i hate saying about because people say i'm bullshit but i'll get a funny feeling that something's looking at me and if i stop at that point and have a look around chances are i'll find a deer or a fox or something staring at me from in the up on the ridge or in the timber or something like that happened with shane doran you had shane on the show not long ago shane was out hunting with me just before he come on your show and i stopped and i'm like ah dude i just got this weird feeling of being watched and we looked around then yeah there's a bucks like looking behind a tree staring straight at us you know so it's like it tickles a sense that's for sure do you think now this is going to get into the woo woo yeah do you think that when you're out in the woods

for days on end a week on end with no cell phone service no nothing just quiet woods and animals and you're alone it's just you do you think that activates certain senses or reignite certain It's the same thing. in the woods just like with the animals that all that ignites and it fades when we're looking at friggin technology like we do or you're so busy in your lifestyle and what in what you do like obviously parts of the body's gotta you know we've got to shut this down we're doing this now you know we're moving forward in the world move forward in the world bullshit let's move back that definitely ignites and it's what i just, you know, where I feel like something's watching us or the way you react or you're listening or what you hear and just all your senses become so fine-tuned to the wilderness. Man, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, the move forward is an interesting way of looking at it because I don't think technology necessarily is having us move forward.

But what it's definitely having us do is move different we're we're we're interacting with each other less in the physical sense and more in the digital sense and we're way less likely to interact with the rest of the wild world when i mean the world the wild that's a weird term too like i've always felt like the word outdoors like i love the outdoors like how fucking weird are people that we call the whole world outdoors but our you know like we're so used to being in these shelters that the sheltered life is normal yeah but the outdoor out of the shelter well that's the actual world that's the actual world yeah that's the actual you what you go to the outdoors to go out there camping you go to the outdoors? You want to go out there camping? You go to the outdoors? Oh, well.

Outdoors. What a weird description. The outdoors. It's a strange way of looking at the wilderness. The wilderness is a much better term, but outdoors is like, oh, I love the great outdoors. What the fuck are you talking about? I love the world how it is today. I think you said it on a show not long ago.

We've never had it better than we have now 100 if you don't think we've got it better now it's because you're not looking at and you're not appreciating everything that that there is so i like technology in the sense that i can connect with a lot of people you cam haynes you know stuff like that i wouldn't have friendships with you guys if it wasn't for how technology was today. Yeah, you live on the other side of the planet. Exactly. How crazy is that? And the world becomes really small. So I love all that, but at the same time, I just hate the disconnect that people have. I hate that everyone's so busy trying to work for a living to have a nice car or a big house or something like that.

And in the end, that shit's not even important. It doesn't even matter. It's not the memory that you're going to get from going out to the wilderness or the connection or the appreciation i appreciate meat because i've had to kill it myself right i appreciate power because i've gone without power for weeks i appreciate hot water you appreciate all those things a car a paved road rubbish service someone comes to your house and collects your frigging rubbish. Serious? No, serious. You think about it. There was a point where we couldn't get done what we would today because you had so much

else to do. Your own rubbish. Probably grow your own vegetables or drive or walk or horse ride the day into the town to get vegetables or whatever it was. Washing your clothes clothes we didn't sitting there for scrub and brush and washing your clothes overboard would take hours and hours now you just throw it in a machine i'll come back and get it when it's convenient for me and pull it out so you get to do a lot more in today's world but it also there's so much to do that it's a lot of people don't get to do what we do and go outdoors and experience that or appreciate those things because they haven't had that hardship you know the mountains is a hard

can be a hard and miserable experience but it makes you appreciate the things in modern life that aren't hard anymore it's a perspective enhancer because it's a reality check because you realize wow what a strange world we live in that we need shelter and we need fire and we need all this stuff in order to survive. But without that stuff, when you're out there as minimalistic as you've done it, like doing it with a small pack, a few days worth of food and sleeping under a cloth house, a little tent, I mean, that's a perspective enhancer because it gives you this real appreciation of what people have actually accomplished. But most folks are not doing that. And so they get

really detached from where their food comes from, really detached from the world itself. And it's not their fault. It's just the environment that you're accustomed to. We're all accustomed to supermarkets and restaurants and being able to just get a bottle of water. You know, oh, I'm thirsty. Let me just pop the top on this water. And people will still complain about that shit. That's the crazy thing. People will still complain about that.

And I'm like, dude, you need to check yourself. Yeah. I went to Africa a couple of years ago, and it was like in a real poor village in Mozambique. And everyone's still smiling. It was an unseasonal year year and it was really cold so um we go through this village and a lot of these villages never seen a white person before and we go through these villages and it's three o'clock in the morning and they're all standing around the fire and i i said to the the guy beside me the local guy, I'm like, oh, do they all start work early?

And he's like, no, they can't sleep. And I'm like, what do you mean they can't sleep? And he's like, well, it's really cold. They don't have blankets or anything like that. So they get up in the morning, they start a fire and they all huddle around the fire to get warm because it's freezing. And it's not that they don't have the money to buy blankets. There's no blankets. There's no blankets. There's no frigging blankets for sale.

It's as simple as that. There's not like, oh, they don't have the $20 to buy a blanket. There's not even the resource for there to be a blanket available for them to buy. There's babies crawling around in dust that's like six, seven, eight inches thick, the dust around the village because they all walk around the village and create a lot of dust. No one's complaining complaining there that's what they're used to when they're happy throw one of us throw someone from our society in that man they'd be miserable they'd probably cut their own freaking wrists and and and all i i come home from there thinking those

people have got it that hard that's what they're used to but they've got it that hard and they're still smiling you know and it was a bit of a check for me i got power i got running water and i've always been appreciative of these things anyway but um we've got power we've got water we've got in australia we've got medicare you know like real good health services we've got everything like that and people still find something to complain about and and it's just because i haven't been through a real hardship in their life that they don't realize it could be a hell of a lot harder than this this isn't even hard it's easy it's just what we're used to and we're used to complaining about it well it's also one of the strange things that we've created by creating houses that have electricity inside them and easy access to food and shelter, sleep in a nice comfortable mattress.

By doing that and by detaching ourselves from the natural world, I think we remove just a little bit of the mystery of being alive, how bizarre it really is to be a living creature. How amazing it is. Amazing. Yes. I mean, when you're walking through the woods and you're seeing that grizzly bear who's sleeping on the carcass of that elk, that bear has been living like that probably for, if you ran into an 11-foot bear, how many years is he? Like 15 years old maybe?

15, yeah. Yeah. It's a giant fucking huge monster bear that's just out there surviving the hard way for a long time in Montana. Yeah. Going through these winters. Doesn't give a shit if it rains. No. If it's sunny.

If it's snowing. Doesn't even give a shit about a pack of wolves. Yeah. Black doll eyes. Yeah. You see their eyes when you look. I ran into one grizzly bear in my life where it was in the wild. Only once.

And it was last year with Cam in Alberta. I was actually with Jen. Oh, yeah. John and Jen. And Jen said, turn around. It's a grizzly. And we turned around. There's this grizzly looking at us.

And this motherfucker was looking through me. Yeah. There's such a difference in the way they look at you. He's not looking and going, oh, that's Joe Rogan. No, but they look through you in the strangest apex predator way well they have like this dead look in their eyes they're very it's a very strange animal yeah it is it's like i shouldn't say soulless it's probably a bit of a harsh harsh way but i don't even know if a soul's real but i know what you're saying exactly they don't give a shit compassionless yeah they don't

give a shit that's what it is compassionless this is just a part of life if i feel like i'm gonna eat you i'm gonna freaking eat you i remember the first video i ever saw of a bear killing a moose the bear uh chased the moose knocked it down and started eating it guts first while it was alive just holding it down and eating it that's nature right yeah that's this this is this is the funny bit you know where where these extreme greenies think these animals go around like, you know. Hugging each other. Yeah, like, oh, that's my cousin. You know, we'll catch up and have a beer later and shit like that. No, they don't give a fuck.

They don't care if you're screaming and howling. It's just going to eat you. It's like a lot of the coyote dingoes back home. If dingoes get a calf back home, they not like oh i'm gonna be humane with this calf i'll um i'll bite its throat first i'll tear its throat out make sure it's died and it's peaceful and stuff like that they'll just start eating it right there and there it will die in its own time you know that that's not even a thought process for these animals no they're just concerned with consumption um when you when you do see them do it too when you do see them eat something it's just it's like oh

yeah of course that's how they do it exactly yeah yeah but you don't you don't think of it that way you know it's movies man movies have confused the shit out of people and then being away from them for long periods of time yeah but we can't blame the movies because it's on that individual i'm smart enough you're smart enough common sense tells you that that's a movie. They're not really like that. You know, how can people be that disconnected to think that's actually how animals live their life? It's just a frigging movie.

Yeah, but the people, they just, I don't think they really think that, but they're not exposed to the harsh reality of it. I don't think they really think that the bears talk to each other in English and then they hug each other and they help people but but the reality of seeing bears in Klondike bar commercials and coca-cola ads that does fuck with your head it does in some way plants these seeds of what Rinella calls what does he call it charismatic megafauna yeah you know these these

things become they become your friends your your long lost wilderness friends man i've got a cat i've got a dog at home i love them like cool but at the end of the day i know it's an animal and it's not a sense of senseless way of saying it because i believe hunters or the hunters that i've met are the most compassionate people that you'll ever meet because it is a hard thing to take an animal's life but i know it's part of the process you know um it's not like i'm just let's just go and kill an elk yeah we got an elk killed i'm totally not that hunter at all i've nothing turns me off more i'm not that sort of person i'll have a quiet time with that you know that animal i'll put my hand on it and everything you know and just be just be thankful. I know it's an animal. I know the meat's going to be used. I know I'm doing the right thing,

but it's still, that's the human emotion part of it. You know, and that's what, in a sense, that's why I got upset when I killed that, that bull elk, you know, it's like, it's, it is a beautiful creature. I understand that's definitely a beautiful creature and it's a hard thing to do, but that's the food chain. Well, it's also very sustainable. And what's interesting is what you're doing is you're dipping your body, your mind, your feet into the wild world. That elk is going to get eaten by something. Yeah.

If it's not you, it's going to get eaten by that bear that was sleeping on the carcass or those wolves that were hunting. Yeah, nothing goes to waste. I completely understand that after hunting. Yes. After getting so far in the hunting, I completely understand that nothing goes to waste. Nothing ever. If an animal breaks its leg, something's going to take care of that thing. Exactly. Yeah, it's just all part of the cycle. It's all part of the big picture of the world. The biggest creature on the world is the world itself. It feeds off everything. Us. We're even part of the world is the world itself. It feeds off everything us. We're even part part of the world's

pray Yeah, and what in a way? Yeah, well it becomes this super complex system that has everything in place It's got a system to dissolve bodies and the bacteria dissolves what the animals don't eat and there's just this really complex Pattern that's in place that's been in place forever And what you're doing as a hunter is just going into it and becoming for a brief week or so you're becoming a part of that system and that's how you acquire your or a month for you and you're acquiring your food that way which i obviously and you obviously think is way better than going to a fucking supermarket

and hiring some supermarket hitman to do the work for you and feeling that you're guilt-free i worked at the abattoirs for some time what is that uh abattoirs like a slaughterhouse oh that's right abattoir in australia you know what that is you ever heard that i think it's might be an australian world yeah he's very um secluded here in america how would you know about that yeah we wouldn't know we don't know too much about you other than like Crocodile Dundee. That's crazy. Land Down Under. Sometimes I'll use a saying or say something.

I'm like, do you understand that word or not? Abattoir. Abattoir. There, Slaughterhouse. Is that normal? Did I say it right? Spanish Central. Hmm.

Spanish Central. It's Australia, bitch. Spanish speakers? Is it a Spanish word? Must be. Huh. Interesting word. I'll just start calling it Slaughterhouse. S's Australia, bitch. Spanish speakers? Is it a Spanish word? Must be. Huh. Interesting word. I'll just start calling it slaughterhouse.

Slaughterhouse. Yeah. And so 7,000 sheep would go past on a chain. And I just had the one job to do. And there'd be 700 people. Were you making a slash? Yeah, that's right. Is that what you did?

Yeah. You just cut their throats? There would be 700 other workers just on the slaughter floor part. So that meat was passing 700 people's hands, mouths, the whole lot, through a – I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with this because the population of the world demands that. Not everyone can hunt now. So I don't have an issue with slaughterhouses or anything like that.

But I'm saying that meat goes through a way different process i would have to say for a better word brutal process where those animals get herded on to a uh like a truck like a semi-trailer uh driven to the slaughterhouse put in small yards push through a gate to go past all those people's hands that are cutting the meat. That's before it even gets to the point where it's going to get cut up for packaging. And then, obviously, it gets sent out to different grocery stores and then sold from there. My meat passes these hands here. That's it. That's the only meat that it passes.

I get to inspect every single animal in its natural form because i'm the one that kills it isn't it strange that that's the norm that the norm is a slaughterhouse and that's only been around for a couple hundred years before that everybody did it the hard way exactly yeah yeah but yet we seem to be the outsiders for doing it like that and it's like this is so much more natural this is it's freaking beautiful that the process is actually beautiful once you get to know it and you look at it that everyone thinks you had to gut an animal do you know how clean it is to gut an animal like it's clean it's not a messy job at all um and there's no like i've got to block my nose i don't want to smell it there's no smell

there's nothing this is clean meat. And that's what I'm saying. The blood on my hands at that point is clean. Wouldn't bother me to eat a chocolate bar and lick my fingers after it. No, you can eat the meat completely raw. Exactly. It's red meat. It's not a predator. I mean, the only thing you have to worry about is if you eat a pig or if you eat a mountain lion or something like that, you got to worry about trichinosis. We don't even have that at home. You don't have trichinosis? Nope. And so you can eat your pigs pretty rare? you could you definitely could that's so uh come here and they cook bacon and it's like crusty bit of cardboard i'm sure you do the same well i didn't know that so i cooked

some some bacon for our friends that we stayed with ed and k westbrook they were on that bear hunt with us ed and k and um i'm used to just having my bacon like slightly cooked. So I just slightly cooked it and put it on the plate. I ate all my bacon. They didn't eat their bacon. I'm like, oh, they mustn't be big bacon eaters. And then after the fact that I've eaten my bacon, thanks, Kay, she's like, yeah, we really like to cook our bacon well because of trichinosis. And I'm like, what the fuck?

Like, you let me eat mine though? Well, it's much less of a concern with domestic pigs okay yeah they actually lowered the temperature that you're supposed to kill uh or cook rather uh domestic pork yeah it used to be like 165 degrees which is what they recommend you cook and bear at now it's 140 yeah so you're okay i'm okay i should be cool they don't ever get out i mean mean, unless something gets to them. The way you get trichinosis is by eating something with trichinosis. But the horrific nature of pig farming, of domestic, the way they raise it, these factory farms, it's horrible.

Yeah. I mean, it really makes you never want to eat pork again. Yeah, definitely. It's really disgusting. Yeah, I'm just happy filling my freezer with naturally harvested meat, 100 hundred percent kim eats it the kids eat it they all love it but isn't it interesting that what you said earlier that everybody can't do that they can't do it that's bizarre it is bizarre it's because of what we're talking about everyone's you know you've got to have this job you've got to make good money you know you need to be successful in that type of

life you know that that's the big push but but i'm always like no you really got to make good money you know you need to be successful in that type of life you know that that's the big push but but i'm always like no you really need to be successful in this type of life which is the outdoors experience you know like um whatever being a good father like that's the sort of the work shit or whatever who gives a shit leave your job tomorrow if you have to to go and do something that you enjoy in life, right? That's the end story because you're not going to get to your deathbed and be like, oh, I really wish I pushed and got that better position at work or whatever.

You're never going to do that. You'll always be like, I wish I did more for my kids or I wish I went and climbed frigging Everest or whatever it is. That's what it's going to be. But we all get caught up in this trap is, no, I've got to have the newest car, the nicest house. We need to live in this suburb. I need to be the CEO at work.

I need to do that sort of thing. Well, I think we're set up with this desire in our heads to attain things that we think are difficult to attain that we see. Like we see a shiny car and we see a beautiful house. We see all the different trappings of modern society. We see those things and they're very appealing to us.

They seem to be like goalposts of success. And then if we can reach those things, maybe we'll reach more happiness or we'll feel better about ourselves. We'll have some status that we can brag about. And you chase that stuff until your heart's

that's the trap yeah i do the same thing don't don't get me wrong i'll see an advertisement for a car or something like that and be like i really like that car but then there's another part of me that clicks and go you don't need that freaking car yeah why do you want that car that car means you've got to work longer or work more right or something else to maintain or something like that are you want to gonna want to get that car scratched in the bush that's another thing you know i'm like no i've already got a car just be happy with what you've got you're you're an idiot if you go and chase that you're an idiot just be happy with what you've got life's good more out time more outdoor experience more time for your kids more time for your wife whatever in that sense you know and it's it's that said that that's a whole modern society thing

so indigenous australia not all of indigenous australia but most of indigenous australia because it's so young to our culture you know because australia was only discovered in maybe jamie can look it up because i don't know exact date i probably should um they they indigenous australia don't seem to have that desire they're just happy with what they've got and it's something to be it's something to be envious of that that they're just happy with that that they're not going to waste their life going and chasing silly things you know yeah well at the end of the day those things that you're chasing you can't take them with you that's right yeah and even if you leave them behind for your family I mean they're only gonna enjoy

them until they stop living but well well it's like the masterpiece is enjoying your life to the utmost and having the most the most success with your family with your friends the most relationship success the most harmony with the people do you come in contact with but that doesn't seem to be rewarded the same way in our world as someone who's got some baller house and a fucking helicopter picks him up and he's got golden underwear. But that fades, right?

Yeah, it does. They can have that helicopter and I guarantee you that it fades and they want something new. There's something new that you're desiring past that. What I've tried to train myself to desire and what I do desire now is experiences, like worldly experiences. Coming to America for the month. Man, if it meant to have to sell the house that I'm in, Kim would kill me so I wouldn't. Let's find something

else. If I had to sell my car to come to America for a month, I'd do it. Wow. I'd drop it 100% because the, and it's not even the stories that I'll tell you or Cam or Antonio or one of my friends back home. It's not even those stories. It's the stories within myself and the experience within myself. That's where the real value is. That's the real currency of this world is what's inside me right

now and how i feel after doing this trip man this trip was miserable i won't lie to you but it's an enjoyable miserable how do you work that shit out how could being in the snow being wet flogging myself out you know for 16 17 hours every day into the dark of night and getting back in the camp being miserable, how could that be enjoyable? Because the second you get back to camp, you're like, oh, a fire, that's awesome. The second you lay down, I'm just like, oh, it's so good to lay down.

It's like you've got to go through hardship to find the good shit in life. I went through this five days on Prince of Wales Island with Rinella and my friend Brian Callen and it was raining every day pouring rain every day the hunt was unsuccessful too we didn't get a deer but we came back and I was so happy I was like the sun is so

warm it's so nice there's no rain and it's the same as it is today which is beautiful I mean it was beautiful today but I didn't really appreciate it the way I appreciated it when I came back from Prince of Wales. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I really do believe that you have to go through some difficulty to appreciate good stuff.

Like if you're born into like some super wealthy multi-billionaire family and you've got a Ferrari when you're 16 and you fly around everywhere in private jets and you live in a giant mansion. I just don't think that you can ever appreciate the difficulty of life. I work for what I've got today. I had a hard upbringing and stuff like that. My father was an abusive alcoholic. I lived on the streets for some time.

I really believe that put me where I am with my family. I absolutely adore my family. I'd do anything for my wife and kids, anything. I'd cut my own arms off and sell them if I had to. That's because of the hardship that I had when I was growing up and like my business is very successful today and I believe that's because I didn't have anything growing up as a kid. Like we were poor.

We were very poor. You know, we had nothing we didn't we didn't do christmases because there was no money to do christmas and and coming from a broken family like that to now have my own family that i i know how to treat them right because of how we were treated so wrong as kids and how my mother was treated. I know how to treat Kim or it's how I'm proven that that's not, that shit don't fly in my house. This is how it actually is. You know, you love your family to death. You do absolutely anything for them. And the biggest thing that I'm proud of in life is having the family that I've got today, you know, like bow hunting aside, man, I'd drop

bow hunting. You know how much I love bow hunting. Shit. I'd drop bow hunting you know how much i love bow hunting shit i'd drop bow hunting for my family well i'm not gonna do it if kim's listening lucky you don't have to but yeah that is a an interesting thing how people come from uh a lot of folks that come from abusive alcoholic uh families they they wind up being like really considerate and really compassionate and really uh dedicated to keep it on the straight and narrow you know i have my friend maurice he grew up uh with a an alcoholic grandmother who raised him and they used to uh they used to lock him in a room and just leave him there while they would go out drinking and he couldn't get out of the room there's no food he was always hungry and never never drank in his whole life i'm a non-drinker and it's just because of how i see my how i seen my father was drinking i believe i wouldn't be like that drinking

because i'm just like i care about the person on the street i don't even know that's the that's the sort of person that i am so i don't believe i would be um the violent drunk that my father was but it's something i don't want to even promote to my kids i don't even want to promote it to my friends so i i won't drink and i don't need to drink i'm silly enough as you can tell yeah i i've seen that many times man people who grew up in that sort of abusive substance abusing family they grow up and they're clean as a whistle they don't have nothing to do with it and it makes total sense yeah it turns you right off it yeah it's interesting how that works man how sometimes you have to see someone just fucking completely ruining their life in order for you to get it in your head well that is not me i just i seen all the negatives in it and then i was like i don't want any negatives in my life at all like

i'll do anything to avoid them you know and that's why i keep on the straight and narrow and try and be a real positive person is um i just i't want anything negative like that in my life. And I've seen alcohol as being a negative breeder because people do stuff that they usually wouldn't. 100%. But at the same time, I can be at work or something and the guys are drinking and having a good time and there's no issue at all. Shit, I'll stay up all night with them having a good laugh.

I just don't need it to have fun anymore because I've never had it. And obviously, you know, I've been turned off as a young bloke. Yeah, I mean, it's not necessary. I mean, it's a social lubricant and I enjoy it. But I didn't grow up in an alcoholic environment. I grew up in a violent environment. So domestic violence to me is a very scary thing, and I couldn't imagine ever hitting my wife or hitting my kids.

I can't imagine. You know, it was so stressful growing up as a kid that I think that's why I've tried to live my life without any stress now. And having my own business can be stressful. But I've tried to grow up without having any stress. And just to have a figure like that in your life growing up as kids. I've got two sisters as well that were obviously affected by it as well. It's a little bit like feeding your kids the wrong vegetables and not

feeding them life, but for mental health. Domestic violence is so ruining in that sense that it just destroys mental health. I've used it as fuel myself, but I know a lot of people don't, and it actually affects them. As they get older, it affects them more and more. It does, and it also affects, if you see violence too often in the young, and by the way, I should really expand on this. The violence that I saw was nothing. It means my dad hit my mom a few times. He smacked her around.

I saw him hit some other people too. That's horrible, yeah. That's enough. It's a bit bad, but it's not violence in comparison to say he never hit me i i've seen many people who've lived way more violent upbringing way way worse than what i've seen but um one of the things that happens to young people when they see violence on a regular basis is your brain gets programmed to accept, not just accept that, but to be wary of that and to be ready to respond to that.

And so you develop a much quicker temper and the consequences of being in a dangerous situation become much more real and you're much more likely to act in a violent way. When children see violence, they see people getting hit and they see that kind of shit on a regular basis. Yeah, it's like the norm it becomes normal it becomes an option yeah you know and it's uh it's just like programming i mean you know you have you have children like when you raise a kid like they're so fast it's so fascinating to watch kids learn and grow and you see what they respond to. And you see like when you, when you can talk to them and get them alone and have fun with them and

respond and rationalize with them. Like I try to talk to my kids like they're adults. I talk to them like they're little kids. Like I give them a lot of love and a lot of, but I try to explain things like they're really smart. Yep. And they probably are really smart because you're like that. My kids are like that.

Well, they get it kind of, but they keep asking questions and we work it out, you know Well, what does that mean? Well, what you know, like we've had conversations about What to do if someone's being mean to you like my daughter was like someone's being mean to me at school I go how are they being mean to you? She's like well, they said something mean about my hair I mean I go well, do you like your hair and she's like, yeah, I like your hair I go do you think they really think there's something wrong with your haircut or are they trying to make you feel bad? She goes, I just think they're mean. I go, well, they're probably

trying to make you feel bad, right? And so why do you think they're trying to make you feel bad? Well, a lot of it is because when kids are little, they realize that they can affect someone and they don't, maybe they don't even understand that it's going to have a really bad feeling on you, but they, it's like a toy that they can play with. Like they can say something mean and you react and they realize it. And this is something that people have to get through. I go, what you should do is realize how that makes you feel and decide you're never going to do that to somebody else, especially not someone who's your friend. And so we have these long conversations about feeling, about communication.

We have these long conversations about feeling, about communication. And then I explain to her always that whenever I tell my kid about something, I always say, whatever you've done, I've done it worse and I'm dumber than you. For sure. When I was your age. Because she's very smart, especially my eight-year-old who is, you know, she's the middle child. But she's, you know, she's very curious and very interested in progress. We talk about things like getting smarter. And one of the things I always say is I go, you're way smarter than I was when I was eight.

When I was eight, I was really dumb. And I did a lot of stupid things. But also, I was a boy. And I think I was a little more reckless and impulsive and a little crazier. But I'm like, so anything you've done, like if you don't tell the truth about something or if you blame somebody else for something that you did, I did it all. I did all those things. So I'm not mad at you. Like it obviously worked out for me. I'm here.

I'm alive. I'm healthy. I have you. So it's going to be okay. So no one's going to not love you if you make a mistake. It's totally a part of being a person. There's no way to navigate this life without making mistakes. Yeah.

So by having those kind of conversations with them, I think I alleviate at least some of the anxiety because kids are always worried about how you feel, about what they've done. Like they don't want you to be upset at them. They don't want you to be. And I always like, even if you do something bad, like I still love you.

It's just part of life. I fuck up still as an adult, as a 49 year old man, I still make stupid fucking mistakes. And in the end, it doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's just shit you can get past.

It's all good. Yeah. It's all good. Chill out, people. Exactly. But it's hard to... Well, you know what? That's another thing, that being in the woods and being in the wild.

Like, when you see a fucking 11-foot-tall grizzly bear sleeping on an elk carcass and you're by yourself, does like insults about a haircut exactly eight year olds getting mad at each other on a playground seems so fucking stupid like look at this thing this thing's could eat me yeah yeah isn't that funny it is funny i think i mean again like you were saying about how being in the woods and then coming back here like wow i could just hit a switch. I think having that perspective and being out in the wild, it's one more thing that gives you this sort of greater picture of how bizarre and amazing life really is. Did you have this saying, no use crying over spilt milk?

Yeah, we have that. I think we invented it. I think you guys borrowed it. I think we invented it along with Wi-Fi. You guys invented Wi- Yeah. Yeah. We have that. I think we invented it. I think you guys borrowed it. I think we invented it. Along with Wi-Fi. You guys invented Wi-Fi? I can't believe that. One guy, he's probably American, he's an expat, probably went over there and claimed Australia.

He's probably hiding from his taxes. Well, like I just live by there's no use crying over spilt milk. Like if something's happened, like if there's even something stressful, it's done now. Let's just deal with it because's done now there's no use carrying on about it right it doesn't make anything any better it doesn't it's just like just let's just deal with the situation let's just get beyond it but it's so common to be upset about it and everybody else does it and it becomes a pattern you see it and you know i mean i'm guilty of it myself i've gotten upset about stupid shit before too but sometimes it's just a perspective thing and And also sometimes it's a busy thing. Like sometimes you become, I'm guilty of this.

I do too many things. And in doing too many things, sometimes I get my stress level too high, like my base stress levels. Like there's too many things I'm managing all at once and then I could be irritable. A lot of stuff that I shouldn't be irritable about. Kim's the same. Kim's got a little business, pretty little party car. all at once and then i could be irritable a lot of stuff that i shouldn't be irritable about kim's

the same kim's got a little business pretty little party coat and she gets so busy she'll get caught up with that she'll get to the point she's like fuck i've just got to slow down i've got to do less i've got to do less so i can actually fit in more things but more things that i enjoy yeah and um but at least she's got that outlook. At least she gets to that point and she's like, yeah, okay, I'm getting too busy. You know, I'm actually losing quality time with whatever in life that she enjoys. And, um, I used to be the same at the business cause I'd put in these crazy hours with the business. I practically built the business so it could support itself and I can walk away and go bow hunting. And, but to get to that point, I put in a few years of just,

I'd be up until 1 o'clock in the morning doing things for the business and trying to keep it growing. And then how big do you want it? Because the more shit you have in life, business, all those sorts of things, the less time you actually have in life to do the things that you want right so i got to the point and i'm like well i don't really want the business to be any bigger than it is now unless i get in some other managers and things like that and it's just finding that point okay stop because you're really not enjoying life anymore yeah you know let's just

roll it back a little bit yeah i've done that more this year. I used to do all the UFC pay-per-views, and I used to do the Fox events too, and I cut it back to only North American pay-per-views, no more Fox events. I cut it in half. They can blame bowhunting. Because you found bowhunting. That's part of the problem.

I need more time for bowhunting. That's part of the problem. I was telling you on the way over here that I really think I need to do a bowhunting tv show just so i can have an excuse to go more so i don't i listen honey i gotta go to work can't just make it up just saying it's in australia dude you got to come in and hunt with me you can only see it yeah you can only see it uh and online in china but it's gonna be huge yeah i i don't know, man. There's definitely a line that you cross between not doing enough and then doing the right amount and then doing too much and knowing how to pull it back.

It's hard to pull things back, though. Most people, they feel like if they're not moving forward, they're moving backward. If they're not doing more, they're doing less. Yeah, that's a human condition, isn't it? Well, it's part of this go-get-em society, especially in America. I mean, I don't know

exactly what the attitude is over in Australia. No, it's exactly the same. It's different with different people, but I'll have an hour at home. It doesn't even have to be something I want to do. I can be doing housework on the house or doing something at work. It doesn't even have to be something that I actually want to do.

But if I'm not doing something for an hour, I am bored shitless, dude. Like hide the knives. I'm going to cut my wrist. Like bored, bored shitless. Like I need to be doing something. And like I said, it doesn't even have to be something I want to do, but I have to have something to do. One of the things that I've realized how to do or learned how to do

over the last few years is go on an actual vacation where i go and i could just sit on the beach and drink margaritas and put my feet up and play with my kids no i can't go fishing though well we were it was organizing a trip recently to hawaii and i was saying well if you go to lanai i can hunt axes exactly hook up with shane the problem is i'll be up at six o'clock in the morning i won't see trip recently to Hawaii and I was saying, well, if you go to Illini, I can hunt axes deer. Exactly. Hook up with Shane. The problem is I'll be up at six o'clock in the morning. I won't see my family.

There's no break there at all. It's not a vacation. It won't be a vacation. But fishing is. Like fishing is easy and they like it. Chill out. My kids like it. It's fun.

Bring your kids to Australia too. We'll take you out on some mad fishing at work. Australia is a strange place, man. And this is one of the things I wanted. It's a strange place because it's a 16 hour flight away. Well, it Australia, too. We'll take you out on some mad fishing at work. Australia is a strange place, man. And this is one of the things I wanted. It's a strange place because it's a 16-hour flight away. Well, it's that, too. But it's also a strange place in that what they've done in America with reintroducing wolves, what they've done in Australia, what I think is really bizarre,

is feral cats and foxes to deal with some of the... That shit never works. So they brought rabbits out... They brought rabbits. ...to feed one of the early colonies within Australia because that was for the people. The rabbits were for the people, the hunt. That's why they brought them in, food source.

Well, all the animals in Australia, particularly New Zealand, all the game animals, all of them have been introduced from somewhere else. That's correct. So the deer species are all gifts from royalty along the way. And then you've got other species that weren't gifts at all. We just brought them in because we thought it was going to benefit Australia. But most of them, if not all of them, done the complete opposite.

So they brought in the fox to look after the rabbit. Well, there's so much other shit that the fox would just prefer to eat that's easier than catching a rabbit. They just hate that and it's it's our um it's like the species that lives in australia like it's not like oh it's something else we want to get rid of no it's something else we wanted to keep because they're natives you know like ground nesting birds you know you name it and then you spend enough time out in the woods and you'll see just about the craziest things. And we've seen feral cats now because the birds started nesting out on lakes, on old trees that were growing in the lake.

They'd be safe there, right? No, the feral cats were swimming across the lake at night. We've actually seen this. Swimming? Under light, swimming across the lake at night, climbing these birds that are nesting in the trees out on the lake and snatching the chicks and the bird. Just devastating to our population of wildlife.

I've never heard of a fucking feral cat swimming in a lake. Crazy, dude. So they just figured out how to do it? They just figured out how to do it. Me and my buddies were out there all bombing them up. There's the point right there. The right thing to do is get in and cull those cats out when it's to that to that that sort of well that was what i was going to bring up because when i was in australia you gave me some of your uh australian bow hunting magazines and there's

fucking pictures of dudes posing with cats yeah they've got a dead cat that's a proud moment for a hunter because of how devastating they are. I understand. I get it. The same way coyotes are here in the Midwest. I've got a cat at home. I'm not lining it up. I'm not thinking about shooting my cat at home.

That's different. It's a cat that's got a collar on and it's got a bell on and it stays at the house. But isn't that bizarre? Like you love that cat, but another cat, you'll shoot it right to those. Feral dogs. So you've got dingoes and you've got feral dogs. And feral dogs are just, that's just a domestic dog that's gone wild. And they're the same.

They'll frill kill. They're devastating to our population of wildlife. Wombats take a good hit. You know, echidnas will get harassed. You ever seen an echidna? Echidna? Yeah, echidna. What is it?

It's like a porcupine, but he's cooler. All of our wildlife, he's cooler than your wildlife. How dare you? You don't have wolves. You don't even have wolves. How could you say that? We've got dingoes. That sounds cool.

A dingo would eat a wolf whole. Oh, how dare you? That's so not true. How big is a dingo? Not as big as a wolf. So how the fuck is that going to work out? I'm bullshitting you but it's crazy because you guys are so scared of coming out to australia you've got snakes and

spiders and i'm in the bush here for one day and there's a giant freaking grizzly bear like at my tent and i'm like i'll take the spiders and snakes please do you think a grizzly bear is scarier than a croc nah croc's cross gets a cold cold-hearted killer like that would just it it seems if you went in the water near any crocodile it'd come and have a crack at you if you went near any bear i reckon about 50 of them 40 of them might attack you it might even be less than that where it just seems like crocodile so stuck in the jurassic period that anything that comes to that water it's just going to get chomped. I'll tell you a quick little story.

So I'm in Arnhem Land last year. Arnhem Land is like Northern Territory Australia. How do you say it? Arnhem Land? Arnhem Land. Arnhem? Arnhem. How do you spell that?

It's A-R-M-H-E-H. H is how you say H? Yeah. H? H. H. Like this thing? Yeah, that thing. H. We say H. H. H. H. H. Like this thing? Yeah, that thing.

H. We say H. H. We say H. H. You guys put an A in there. Probably not us guys, just me. That's it. There you go.

Arnhem. Arnhem. Arnhem. Arnhem. Arnhem land. Okay, it's a vast wilderness area. It sure is. That's God's land right there.

Beautiful. Okay. Paradise. So you're in Arnhem. Paradise for an outdoorsman. Is it? Absolutely hell for any city slicker. It is out there.

Mosquitoes, crocodiles, buffalo. God, that picture is amazing. Yeah, it is a spectacular place and virtually untouched. So that's very appealing. That's the crazy thing about Australia is the population. Wow. That's the crazy thing about Australia is the population. That you guys have essentially the population of Los Angeles in a place as big as the continental United States.

Yeah, thank Christ for that. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, it is nice. Even when we went to, like, you go to a nice city like Melbourne. Like, God, it's beautiful. Yeah, that's like a little country town for you guys. Yeah, oh, it is. It's like Boulder, Colorado. And we're like, get us out of here.

There's too much traffic. So you're in Arnhem Land and what happened? I'm in Arnhem Land and I shoot this massive big boar pig and it runs down. So I shot it and it just ran down. It was just on the edge of the water and it's fading. Like it's seconds away from dying. And I walk over there and as I walk over there, I sort of sit down and just give the animal its peace. You know, I don't want to give it an adrenaline rush or anything like that because it could take longer for it to die.

So I just sit down quietly and snap. Massive big saltwater crocodile just lunges out of the water and grabs this pig and starts swimming it out across this river. Whoa. I was seconds away from walking down there and essentially dragging that pig back up the bank a bit so I could get photos. That croc was sitting right there.

Like within seconds, that crocodile was sitting on the edge of the bank or just under the water where it could grab that pig. That's how quick it can happen. People walk down and go, I'll just be quick. I'm just going to wash my face really quick. It's always hot there. So the most appealing thing in the heat is like you see water and it's like, oh, water. Go down there.

I'm just going to splash a bit of water over my face and arms. It'll be real quick. Gone. And they go for anything. Yeah, they go for anything. They don't have a reluctance to kill people at all. Definitely not. And then there's.

Oh, Jesus. Look at this. Got an elephant by the nose. Well, that's not a stray Australia There's a bloody elephant there Yeah that's a Nile croc There goes your pay rise Jamie

Still a crocodile Aren't they the same animals Nah Yeah What's the difference Between the crocodiles In Australia And those fuckers

I don't know Those fuckers Are in Florida now Yeah Assholes in Florida Florida is just Overrun with assholes Not everybody Bloody crocodile dundee If you live Sitting in Florida now. Yeah. Assholes in Florida. Florida is just overrun with assholes. Not everybody.

Bloody crocodile Dundee. If you live in Florida and you're a nice person, I appreciate that. Steve Irwin, legend. Yeah. The crocodiles in the Nile crocodiles have been introduced to Florida. Assholes have just released them into the Everglades. No, it's not. They have a shoot to kill.

No, it's not. I'm being sarcastic. I know. I know you are. I'm being sarcastic. I know, I know you are. I was being sarcastic back. They have a shoot on sight order. Like if you see a Nile crocodile, you're supposed to kill it on sight because they're terrified of them

developing a sustainable population because the crocodiles they have, the native crocodiles in Florida are small, but they're very aggressive. They're way more aggressive than alligators, but they're smaller. But now they have these fucking nile crocs, which... They're just absolute savage and just swallow a person whole. And you're talking about the Everglades, which is just overrun with things for them to eat.

So there's a high likelihood of them achieving a large size. Where did they get that idea from? They're assholes. People have them as pets. The same thing as pythons. You know the python situation in Florida? Yeah, so people have had them as pets and then released them into the wild? Is that how they got there?

Yeah. They get too big and they go, fuck this, man. I'm going to let it go. Hey, you little crocodile. Go out and enjoy the wild. And they think they're doing the right thing by releasing this thing into the fucking swamps. That's hellish. Well, they have a breeding population now.

They have a breeding population of Nile crocodiles in fucking Florida. Yeah. So back to the Australian introduced species. Like, it didn't stop at foxes. They kept making these mistakes. You know the cane toads? We have a lot of trouble with the cane toads now. Cane toads?

Cane toad. What's a cane toad? Oh, they've virtually overtaken Australia. They're going to have their own businesses and run for parliament and everything eventually. What are they? They're like a big toad. You're opening to have their own businesses and run for parliament and everything eventually. What are they? They're like a big toad. You're opening your hands like a pizza. Oh, not a pizza.

There's a cane toad. Whoa, that thing's huge. It's like a bunny rabbit. They've got these glands on their back and it's got a poisonous toxin in it. Oh, that's great. Our bird wildlife, our snakes, I know you hate snakes, but snakes are protected in Australia, by the way. You can't just go and kill a snake when you want.

And they've still got their place there, 100%. Snakes have got their place in Australia. The snakes eat them, and these poisonous toxins will kill out the snakes. They'll kill out bird life. They're just horrific. Jesus Christ, look at the size of these things. So why did they bring in the toads? Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they brought them in to fight off a cane beetle that was eating our cane crops.

And there's that many other bugs than that that the cane toad would have been like, yeah, I'll just eat what I want. What a stupid thing. Can't we learn? Well, people are very infantile with the perspective on the ecosystem. Like the idea that you could just, oh, we've got a little problem here. There's a little opening. I'll stick a slot in there, just shove a predator in there

and it'll fill that opening. That they didn't consider all the other animals that this thing would eat. If they want to do something, what they should do, instead of introducing shit like this. Check your load for a cane toad. Check your load.

There you go. Check your load. Jeez. Cane toads are great stowaways. There you go. Check your load. Jeez. Cane toads are great stowaways and can be easily transported in your goods and luggage. When you are packing up to leave from an area where cane toads are present, it is important to thoroughly check that you are not accidentally carrying a cane toad. Wow. They're not a good thing.

Tasmanian tiger. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the Tasmanian tiger? Yeah. It's like extinct now, right? Yeah. But they got the DNA from one. If they're going to reintroduce something, let's do it.

Are they going to reintroduce one? No, they won't. They have the DNA from one? They won't, but they should. Now, if they wanted to introduce that, if they wanted to take the DNA from a Tasmanian tiger and reintroduce it, wouldn't they have to have something that was like a similar animal and reintroduce it it possibly i don't know how it works i think i got that from jurassic park probably i'm pretty sure though i think that's how they do it well then isn't that what they said they were going to do with the woolly mammoth like there was this russian scientist

that were thinking about reintroducing the woolly mammoth and they were going to use the dna from a woolly mammoth from some you know fossilized something or another and they were going to use the DNA from a woolly mammoth from some, you know, fossilized something or another, and they were going to combine it with the DNA from a regular elephant. Okay. I think. That'd be interesting. I think in some cases like that, you know, I'm not trying to be God or anything, but that should happen.

It's a good thing, right? I don't know. I think it's only extinct because of human interactions. Right. So, I don't know. I don't know either, but 90% of everything is extinct. 90% of everything that's ever lived. It's like, where do you draw the line?

Do we bring back dinosaurs? You know, when do we draw the line? That'd be good hunting. Ooh. Do we bring back Bigfoot? Yeah. Would you hunt a T-Rex? If there was enough of them.

What if they taste good? Imagine that, because alligators taste good. Well, they do, yeah. Have you eaten one? Yep. John Dudley kills them all the time. He eats them. Yeah, he's enough of them. What if they taste good? Imagine that, because alligators taste good. Well, they do, yeah. Have you eaten one? Yep. John Dudley kills them all the time. He eats them. Yeah, he's a slayer.

He's a slayer. Yeah. He said that their tails, like alligator tail, like the meat from them, is apparently more rich in protein than elk or moose. Really? That's crazy. You'd be packing that into the backcountry. It's supposed to be really good for you.

Super lean, cook it quick, sear it. A little seared alligator. Our crocodiles back home are protected as well. Oh, Jesus. There's no tag or anything for them. You can't kill a crocodile if you see one? You can't kill a crocodile. No. They relocate them. Here, go kill something over here,

please. Yeah. The city in the Northern Territory, which is all part of Arnhem Land there, is Darwin City city and the river runs right into the city and there's crocodiles right in there so guys will go out clubbing or you know drinking and get drunk and think it's a good idea to jump in the river for a swim and yahoo and they'll get snatched so they catch all these crocodiles and they release them like you know miles and miles away and these things come straight back into the same spot and they're like these this is what i'm hearing about these bears right yeah they catch these problem bears and they release them where

near i'm hunting unfortunately but they catch these problem bears and they'll release them miles away and then a week later they show back up to the same destination yeah crazy they know how to get back they have some sort of internal compass one of the things about saltwater crocodiles is so terrifying is a friend of mine was telling me that they were on some sort of a boat and they were like uh deep out into the ocean miles out and they saw a saltwater crocodile swimming out there and i went what yeah like how how far he said i think he said he was something like three to five miles away from shore,

and this fucking crocodile was just out there swimming by itself. Crazy. Probably going to eat a great white shark or some shit. Fuck. It's a goddamn dinosaur. Look at that thing. Yeah, that's crazy. When Cam came out, and we were up in Arnhem Land,

and I was telling him about all the dangerous shit, you know, like a crocodile, you know, there's crocodiles in any bit of water here. You won't even know and there'll be a crocodile in there. And how buffalo charge you and scrub bulls charge you. And I told him about all the poisonous bushes and everything. And at the end of one day, we got back with like half an hour light. And because I didn't pack any food in, we had to catch fish every day or try and shoot something to eat. So we got back half an hour early one afternoon we're

like we'll go for a quick fish we've got to catch some fish you know we've got to get some some food into us and we walk out and it's stinking hot it's like 56 degrees celsius they're like sweating it out what is that like uh? Is it like 110? That's probably even a bit higher. Really? Yep. It's hot. And I'm like, oh, we might be able to swim in one of the rock pools. You don't want to swim out in the ocean because one of them crocs is going to grab you. 122. Jesus Christ.

A 50 is 122. What's 56? Oh my God. Jack it up, baby. Oh Jesus, 132? Yeah, walk in the park. 132? Yeah. Walking the park. 132 degrees temperature. Oh, my God. That's why we're drinking buffalo piss because you had to keep hydrated or die.

What does it feel like to be out in 132 degree temperature? You get used to it. How the fuck do you get used to that? You're cooking. It's like all my guys that work for me work in that temperature all summer. You could slow cook a ham at 150 degrees. Yeah, you could. There's birds dying around us really there's a little video where i've got like it

might be a frog mouth owl or a tawny owl and it's just that hot that it's just it's on the ground it's it's out you know because it hasn't had obviously a bit of hto on that day and anyway so we're going out and there's a rock pool i'm like well we'll be safe to swim in that rock pool and the tide had gone out we've got big t tides, like seven-metre tides. You know, they come in and out every day. And the tide had been in, and when it had gone out, it left a bunch of box jellyfish in that little pool. Then the ocean itself where we were fishing in,

you wouldn't be able to dip your hand in the water without getting stung by box jellyfish. And box jellyfish will kill you. Oh, you're dead, dude. That was a four-and-a-half-hour chopper flight out to get there because we did it in the wet season. You couldn't drive any of the roads. I had to hire a helicopter to get us out there.

So it would have been four-and-a-half hours for a helicopter to come in and then four-and-a-half hours back to the hospital. You're dead in that time. You're dead in the first hour. Like, it's, yeah, you've got to have your wits about you in that sort of country for sure so barks jellyfish what do they look like they're unusual they're nearly clear they're like oh yeah look at that and that'll kill you instantly and that's the one thing i didn't tell cam about and we get out to the rocks and i'm like all the crazy that

i've told you dude that's what would have killed us here. If we jumped in the water, like, oh, let's just jump in for a quick dip. Wow. Who's that mad bastard? That's that crazy fucker from River Monsters. Wow, look at that one that got that guy's leg. Go back to that leg picture, Jamie. Go full screen on that.

Fuck, man. That's a sick tattoo. Yeah, well, I think you keep that for life probably right that person just get close enough to the never go near the water again is it like an anti-venom oh is that a baby oh god damn one year old oh oh my god that's will smith was in a movie and remember and he's gonna uh donate his organs at the end of the movie. And that's how he commits suicide. He's going to jump in a bath with box jellyfish.

What fucking movie was that? I don't know. I Am Legend? That's scarier shit than I Am Legend. Yeah, it is kind of. I mean, there's so many monsters that exist. Seven Pounds? Seven Pounds?

Seven Pounds. What is that movie about? I think that's the one with the kid. The kid? Isn't that the one where he's poor? Like, he becomes a successful person? Oh, I don't want to see that shit.

Oh, get that fucking thing away from me. Oh, he actually does kill himself? So he actually does. And he tips the box jellyfish in the water with him now oh get out of here i don't want to see this shit get yes you do you're coming out get the fuck out of here that's a movie he dies with box jellyfish that's a retarded way to die nice oh get the fuck out they're not even that big get that out of here jamie i don't want to say it

oh jesus yes anyway when you come out i won't take any of that why are there so many things that kill you take them in the ocean, then the fucking sharks get you. You know why there's so many things that kill you? Because people weren't supposed to live in Australia. It's true. That's what I always think about work, because it's so frigging hot. It's so desolate that it's like it just wasn't designed for people, this part of the earth. No.

That's how I think. Well, people didn't live then, so they didn't balance it out. It's some of the oldest earth on earth. Well, actually, I shouldn't say people didn't live then, so they didn't balance it out. It's some of the oldest earth on earth. Actually, I shouldn't say people didn't live there. Western dummies like you and I. Yeah. White people. We definitely didn't.

The indigenous people that lived there. They did. They lived on the mainland, and there's actually some really interesting areas up there. It's called the Dampier Archipelago in the Pilbara region of Western Australia. And there's over 70,000 rock art in the area they still don't know the significance of it but 70,000 rock arts in that area wow kangaroos sea turtles creatures that we don't even exist anymore when you look at the picture like was that a real animal they were drawing or they just like I'm just gonna fuck around so they

don't even know whether or not it was a real thing because it doesn't exist anymore doesn't exist anymore wow yeah well the the kangaroo thing we were talking about that before the podcast we said we're going to show this video um i did not know that kangaroos were protected like you can't just shoot kangaroos over there all of our native animals you can't hunt any of our native animals in australia everything we can hunt there's 27 or 28 species are all introduced they're an invasive species like a feral pest that's why we're allowed to hunt them it's not like the american system where you're hunting your natives you know like your white tail and elk and everything like that and that's why we don't have a tag season or we don't have any any any seasons at all

right in new south wales they've just introduced a season in the last couple of years and there's one species of deer in um victoria the lower part of australia where you need to tag for that's it all those other species you don't need a tag for and there's no season what species of uh whole deer why do you need a tag for those oh there's not a bunch of them and they're trying to manage them it's really good what they're doing they're doing a good job hmm so the kangaroo thing i had no idea that the numbers of kangaroos were as high as they are so you were telling me about this looks like a kangaroo plague and then jamie pulled the video up and this is fucking insane just google kangaroo plague Australia and what you see is something from a fucking horror movie it looks like thousands of

kangaroos I mean I have no idea how many of there but they're just running across this field like ants I bet you've that antlers they wouldn't Jesus I mean it is coming up completely insane when you look at that video. I have no idea. Yeah, so. That's crazy. It's like I was saying, the same people that are like, you can't cull the kangaroos. You know, you can't hunt the kangaroos.

You can't shoot the kangaroos. Well, kangaroos are a deer species, right? I don't think so. I think they're like a marsupial cousin of a deer. Okay. I think. I think they even taste like deerupial cousin of a deer. Okay. That's crazy. I think they even taste like deer. They taste good.

Do they? Really rich red meat. Super, super lean. A lot of the bodybuilders and stuff like that love kangaroo meat. When did kangaroos start getting yoked up? Have they always had big muscles? They've always had big muscles. We didn't see that in America until recently.

Didn't you? No. Really? The internet over the last few years has showed us kangaroos choking each other yeah they're just like get out there they're doing weights and shooting pumping that's what it looks like they're fucking giant yeah there's a video of those two kangaroos fighting and one kangaroo chokes the other one unconscious look at that kangaroo oh yeah that's normal like come on man that's incredible we never saw kangaroos like that when i was a kid. So that looks like a big red kangaroo there.

Well, the red ones are the biggest ones, right? Yeah, they're huge. My friend Eddie Ift was in Australia. He's done a bunch of stand-up out there. And he was out there with some Australians. And I forget what the story... Look at the fucking... That doesn't even look real, man.

That does not look real. Bitch, you want to arm wrestle? Oh, fuck that, man. So that was what happened with Eddie. He got out of the car for some reason, and he saw this kangaroo, and he thought it was a statue because it was so big. He thought it wasn't real. He said it was like seven feet tall. He was like, there's no fucking way this is a real kangaroo.

He literally thought it was a statue because it was sitting there. And his friend starts screaming, get back in the fucking car. And the thing turns around and looks at him. And then he realized that this giant thing in front of him was an actual kangaroo. And apparently they're very aggressive. If they're cornered or they feel threatened, they'll kick your stomach out. Because what they do is they latch onto you with their claws. They've actually got a real big claw.

They've got claws like that. They'll latch onto you. Yeah. And then they balance themselves on their tail and they kick with their claws. They've actually got a real big claw. They've got claws like that. They'll latch onto you. Their front arms. Yeah. And then they balance themselves on their tail and they kick with both legs and they've got like a single toenail that's like... Wow. Look at that thing.

That is insane. That does not look real. And the fact that they can balance that way on their back tail is incredible. Yeah. So they'll balance on their back tails and they'll kick with both their legs and then... Look how he's balancing himself himself that's so strange it's such a strange animal god that is a bizarre flex and come on mate calm down 200 pound ripped kangaroo crushes metal oh my god look at him he's he's bending cans look at the arms of this motherfucker

it's so strange they're a cool animal oh they're very if you come up the farm when you come out to australia you'll see you'll see kangaroo fights they do it all day they beat the shit out of each other yeah yeah do they always choke each other out because this is some new shit are they learning how to do this no that's pretty really come on. I'll spin him back kick that thing right in the fucking chest. He wants me to bitch. Yeah, he's pissed. I wonder if he could take a leg kick.

I always think if I was going to fuck with a kangaroo I would just arm drag him and take his back. I bet if you take his back he wouldn't know what to do. Oh, I don't know.

Take his back. I don't know. Find out. Choke him. We'll test it out when we get there. He needs some like thick clothing. A Kevlar. back. I don't know. Find out. Choke him. We'll test it out when we get there. Need some, like, thick clothing, a Kevlar. Something where it can't cut your guts out.

Yeah. Because, you know, it probably won't even go for your face, right? It'll probably go for your guts. Oh, it'd go for your guts. Yeah. Kick you in the guts. If you can protect that, if you can figure out a way to, like, move in them, juke them, fake them, get them to move, get a hold of one of them paws, arm drag them, get the back.

I'm going to film it. I'm filming it for sure. It's going to be awesome. It'll be on the news. Joe Rogan tries to take on a kangaroo today and gets his stomach kicked out. This is how I die, by getting choked. There's a bunch of these videos of these kangaroos choking each other out. I've never seen them choke each other out.

Oh, there's a great video. These two kangaroos are fighting in a suburban neighborhood, and they're in a street, and one kangaroo... They like Canberra. He gets what you would call a vice grip clamp. In jiu-jitsu or wrestling, you would clamp... You scoop the back of someone's neck like this with one arm, and the other arm comes down, and you clamp down like this.

This is it. And he fucking chokes him to sleep. This has got to be Canberra for sure. See if you can fight... I don't think this is it. Oh, they're big boys. They count for it. They just start kickingokes him to sleep. This has got to be Canberra for sure. See if you can find... I don't think this is it. Oh, they're big boys. They're going for it. They just start kicking each other's asses.

Nice. But they're in a regular neighborhood fucking each other up. But see if you... Oh, look at that kick. He just... Boom. You should commentate this shit. I should.

But it's all the standard moves. It's very Rock'em Sock'em Robots. Look how they snap each other's heads back, too. Yeah, two good bucks. Yeah, they only go for the guts. Ooh, look at that move, though. I like how they balance on that tail. That is really crazy. See if you can find kangaroo chokes out

other kangaroo, because he puts them to sleep. Like, literally gets the clamp down on them, and then turns his neck. See, that's another thing we invented in Australia. Choke outs. Yeah. I don't think so. Kangaroos did. People learned from kangaroos. Maybe. Maybe someone actually saw. Maybe that's a new fun school too.

The kangaroo. I bet people didn't know that you could choke people out until they saw someone do it, right? Yeah, here it is. So they start going at it and one kangaroo is, see if you can find out where he does it. Oh, yeah. He's going for it.

See, he gets a front headlock. See, the one kangaroo is kind of being a bitch here. He's like, I'm tired. I don't like to fight anyone. Here it is. So he's got the clamp. See? Look at the clamp.

He gets a hold of the neck, and he's bending his neck in a really funny way, and he traps the head up against his chest. I mean, this is like a Japanese necktie right here. He grabs a hold of it and he's clamping down on it. It's not even like he's paying attention. It's like he's looking for girls. He knows he's got this shit. Look at him. I wonder if he's done that before.

If that's his move. So he clamps down on it and he holds it in place and the kangaroo fights for a little while and then bam, passes out. That's awesome. And he's like, what, bitch? Where's the cheers? What, bitch?

What a bizarre bodied animal. There's nothing like them. We're so used to seeing these animals that they don't seem weird to us. Oh. But when I think about it, I'm like, these things are on two legs. Yeah. What else is on two legs? Nothing.

Have you ever seen a platypus? Well, they kind of go on the front leg. Like, look there. Yeah, when they're just walking along. But have you ever seen a platypus? Not in real life. Platypus is just crazy to look at, even for me. And I've grown up with platypus. They used to be in the creeks and the rivers around home. They're just so weird to look at. And the echidna, when I start thinking about our species, like the wombat, the wombats are just crazy.

They're all over the farm. You'll see them everywhere when you come out. They just dig these massive big holes, and they're the craziest creature you've ever seen. It's just like a big, big, fat, stumpy rat. I know the name wombat but honestly i couldn't pick one out of a lineup i don't really know what it looks like but let's get to that kitchen what is it kitchen what is it how you say it echidna kidna yeah kidna i want to see what a

kidna is first what's the camera it just looks like a porcupine oh it's one better than a porcupine a porcupine. Oh, it's only one? Better than a porcupine, dude. That's all I could find when I looked it up. Your shit's jacked again. Yeah. They've got this crazy beak.

Only one ear again, Jamie. It's got a crazy beak? It's got a crazy beak. It sniffs out like ants in an ant mound and it'll dig out the ants. It'll dig out ants in logs. It'll sniff them out

and just... Look at that, dude. How crazy is that? Yeah. That's a kidna? Yeah. Me and the kids were just, there was one on the road the other day. That has a beak? Yeah, it's got a full beak.

That's a beak. Hedgehogs look like that, kind of. That's better than a hedgehog. That looks like a hedgehog. Definitely better than a hedgehog. What's that thing? Get rid of it. Come on.

Well, it's weird. It's like part bird. it's got a beak like a bird it's part sick awesome animal whoa look at that what a fucking bizarre little thing there was one on the road digging the other day well the other month now because i've been away for so long and uh me and the kids whenever we see them on the road we'll move them off the road and the kids got out and you can actually, all those spikes are super sharp, but you can actually touch them because it's taken up so much room on your hand.

Like, you know, there's a hundred spikes on each hand. You can actually touch them. And we moved this thing off the road and the kids were even normal about it. They were like, oh yeah, cool kid. You know, cause they've seen them a hundred times. And I was like, anyone that wasn't from Australia though, that was seeing this for the first time this animal with a beak when i started

thinking about it and these turn back claws like their claws turn back like that it's for digging right right craziest animal in the world when you think about it in that sense you know if you'd never ever seen one before and you come across it for the first time you'd be like whoa look at this thing this thing's crazy yeah it's like a porcupine fucked a duck. Right? Doesn't it look like that? Like, kind of? How does it have a beak? That's not a bad way of putting it. Or like a platypus, too.

They lay eggs, but they're a mammal. Yeah, and they got, like, the big duck beak. Yeah. It's crazy. But the laying of the eggs is so strange. Yeah, yeah. Like, what is that? They got a poisonous spike as well.

They do? Yeah. Where is it? Underneath them. It might be like an anal spike or something like that. Hmm.

Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Not nice. I probably wouldn't want to play around with one. Yeah, don't finger its butt. It's just,

the wide variety of animal life is very weird. Yeah. It's very weird when you think about how many different things and then again,

what you were talking about about the introduction of foxes and cats, they all fit into a system. Like, look at that thing. That is crazy, yeah. So it has like this funky, like kind of furry beaver looking tail. It has a duck beak.

The tiniest little dots for eyes. Webbed feet. What? Have you ever eaten beaver? No. Had beaver with Rinella. It's really good. Really?

Yeah, it's delicious, man. It tastes like beef. I don't like the sound of it. I know. I wouldn't either. I wouldn't have normally even thought that you could eat it. But he killed one and then braised it and then slow cooked it. And it was like a pot roast with like potatoes and carrots.

It was delicious. It was it was delicious i think after being in bear camp i could never eat a beaver because remember the dead beavers in bear camp oh yeah that's the thought now really yeah i couldn't do it i could unless i was slightly hungry i'd do it yeah slightly telling you if steve ranella cooked you a bowl of this beaver pot roast or whatever the fuck it is that he made, it was amazing. It was really good. Oh, it sounds good. It was like a strange beef. A strange beef?

Yeah. You're turning me off again. You had me before. No, it was like a beef from... I was like, all right, no, I'll try. Like, where is this? This is beef from Nicaragua. Oh, interesting.

It's got a different flavor to it. You know what I mean? It's like a... It's just... It's like it's reminiscent of beef, like a cousin of beef. That's what it tastes like. A cousin of beef. It's very weird.

And it's kind of fatty, and it's kind of like tender. Yeah, okay. Well, Steve will have to hook me up on a hunt. I'm telling you, you'd be shocked. Somewhere along the line, they made it illegal to hunt them for food, though. They're a fur bearing animal so you have to have a fur trappers license in america to eat them yeah but there's people at the turn of the century like ranella is amazing in his knowledge of the history of animals in america and the history of hunting in america but apparently many many many years ago um beaver trapping and beaver pelts

were so valuable that the richest man in the world in like, you know, like the early 1800s made all of his money from beaver pelts. Really? Yeah. We should bring that back in. I'd kill some beavers for some cash. I think it was before felt. And once they came up with felt, like for hats and stuff like that,

because the gentlemen wore felt hats, they didn't need beaver as much anymore, and beaver kind of fell out of favor, and people stopped doing that. I wonder how big numbers the beaver population dropped at that time. Oh, gigantic. Slaughter. Yeah. That sort of history behind animals, you know, when they've got that value on them and there's just an open slaughter is what seems to drive a lot of things to extinction. Well, that's one of the interesting things about America.

Like, if you buy elk or venison in America, most of it is from New Zealand, which is really strange. That is strange. It's really strange. It is strange. And the reason is you can't, like, market hunting was like a giant factor in the slaughter of countless amounts of buffalo, of elk, of deer, even antelope. Like, they killed everything back in the day. And it was a lot of men returning from the war at the turn of the century that just went on, you know, these trips. And that's the way that you can make money. The you can make money is uh go go hunting for meat and that's then they brought that meat to market yeah i mean the i think the idea of these animals being like precious and

preserved and wild life the way we think of it they didn't have these thoughts in the 1800s they were just it was a resource, and they just abused it. I mean, we've all seen the photos of the stacks of buffaloes. Yeah, definitely. A lot of them were just for the hides. Where we are today is definitely. I think a lot of people think that's still happening today. Like hunters are still that sort of person, whereas hunters are the ultimate conservationists now.

And the system that America's got in place is the best system anywhere in the world where there's a tag there's a season they they manage and regulate the population so so let's just say uh elk the numbers were um down the following year well there'd be less tags available it's as simple as that and that's why it's such a good system in australia we don't have that that system in place but in a sense it's pushed pushed all the responsibility back on hunters like i i can tell you now you australian hunters are some of the best hunters in the world because they've got to conserve and they've got to manage their resources, their self. There's nothing in place to say, well, we're only giving 500 tags away for that area this year

because numbers are down. Hunters, as much as we are conservationists, we're not going to go out and just slaughter the numbers. They're an introduced species into Australia. They are bad to the environment if the numbers are too big, and hunters treat them like that. We're not going to go out and wipe out the whole population. So hunters are very good at, you know,

there's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment, because there should be a certain buck-to-doe ratio. There's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment. We're not going to kill 19 of them. There's going to be one buck left. We're going to kill the oldest buck in that area. There's only 20 there. Let's just kill the oldest buck in that area.

That's a good population. It's sustainable. They're not damaging the environment in that number. And I think there's a big difference there between the American and the Australian hunter in that sense that you guys would do the same thing. Don't get me wrong. If there wasn't a tag in place or a season in place, today's society would do the same thing because we've learned from the past. Some would, but there's a bunch of people that wouldn't.

The majority, though. Yeah, the majority. But I think there's quite a few that wouldn't yeah you know there's a majority though yeah yeah the majority but uh i think there's quite a few that wouldn't you know it's that's uh i mean that that is one of the the main stereotypes of the hunter is like beer drinking shooting everything that moves and i feel today that it couldn't be further from the truth it seems like there's more of the responsible hunter the one that's got a good job or or a good business or whatever it is that goes out and you're being the perfect example of that i wanted to thank you when i first come on the show that the light that

you've shown on hunting is is how hunters are today the majority of hunters are today we're just not these savage killer machines that are just like, yeah, kill it, you know. We're very conservative in a sense. You know, it's not just about going out and getting a shot off. If you are that sort of hunter, I believe you're in it for all the wrong reasons. It's about the experience, the connection with the outdoors, that meat, that precious meat, you know, that you get off each one of those animals. Also, the money that we spend on gear, the money that you spend on outfitters and trips,

that money in tags in particular all goes to conservation, to preserving the habitat of these animals. And a lot of these animals, especially like white-tailed deer, there's more white-tailed deer here in America today than there were when Columbus came here. And some of that income, all some of these small towns rely on, right? Yes, sure. Is through hunting. And something that I've always pushed, because it's frowned upon in Australia in a big way, because it's not the typical thing to do.

Hunting's not popular? No, definitely not. Definitely not. And it's not accepted like it is here in America. How did you get into it? I got myself into it, which was really, really weird. Hoyt were asking me the same thing. They're like, oh, so did your dad hunt? And I'm like, no, you know, like I come from a broken family. Um, I seen a bow up in a store and I was

like, um, what's that thing? Cause it was like a compound bow, you know, I'm like, what's that thing? And he's like, oh, it's a bow. and so i end up buying the bow and when i bought the bow he gave me like it was just a black and white magazine like i was only 17 i'd run around with uh like a fiberglass pole with a string bent on it before and used to make my own arrows like robin hood stuff you know but never had seen anything like that and the magazine he gave me was a guy with a massive big water buffalo on the front cover. And I'm like, you can kill things with this? You know, and I was like, the majority of people that have never hunted have been like, so you can kill a rabbit with one arrow, but if you're going to shoot a buffalo, it must take 20 arrows.

So I was like, at the time, he must have shot it like 20 times or something like that to kill it. No, a rabbit's got a pair of lungs, a buffalo's got a pair of lungs. You put a hole through both of those lungs, that thing's dead in the same amount of time. Well, now I've shot a bunch of buffalo, you know, and it's just like, that's the craziest thing, isn't it? It was just like, there was a guy in a magazine with a buffalo dead. And I was like, you can kill things with that. And now I'm like this full blown hunter, you know, and it's just.

How did, what was the process though? So you got a bow and did you take lessons? you teach yourself lessons just taught myself well what year is this um well i was 17 i'm 20 uh no 20 i wish i was 20 29th tomorrow and it's to here right it's my birthday in australia today so i'm 36. So I was 17 at the time. So it would have been 97. So it's almost 20 years. It's almost 20 years, yeah. So you're dealing with very little internet back then, right?

No internet. No internet. Yeah. Even though we invented Wi-Fi, we didn't have internet. You guys didn't have Australia internet? We probably did. Like I said, I was poor. I didn't know.

But my point is you're not my point is you're not getting any information no lessons teaching learn all your own mistakes that's why i was i i actually was a big part of a bow hunting forum in australia for many years and i just like if i had that when i was coming up through bow hunting the time energy and money that i would have saved by by just getting the right information straight off the internet, like being able to do research or even going to a club. And there's 20 other guys at the club that you could at least get information out of. I never had any of that, but shit still got killed. And that's what I always say to people. You don't need the best of everything if your budget can only afford you

you know some recurve bow and some cheap arrows i guarantee you're still going to be successful with that that gear if you put in the time there's no doubt about it um so i i just had this cheap bow cheap arrows probably didn't even wear camouflage at the time, and just went out into the outdoors and just worked it out myself. And this was pre-range finders? Pre-range finders. So how did you decide where to aim? It was a guess.

No, well, it was. You were using your own knowledge. You were using your own skills. That's what sucks about some of today's technology and that. Because you lose that, right? Right. You're using a range finder. You're relying on a range finder.

I still go out to the range sometimes where I'll just go around shooting clumps of grass or whatever with no range finder. Guess the distance, have a shot, then range it. Just so you get to learn distances and no distances. I'm pretty good at like like 30 yards no 10 no release aids dude right so you did all those old fingers when did you start using a release aid um i don't know what year it was but um 10 years in yeah about 10 years in were you making your own arrows who was making yeah make my own arrows are all timber arrows like you use timber arrows a big Who was making arrows for you? Yeah, I'd make my own arrows. They were all timber arrows. Like you'd use timber arrows, a big two-blade broadhead. You're saying timber?

Is that what you're saying? Timber, yeah. Timber, like wood. Yeah. Okay. So wood arrows. You're making your own wood arrows? Yeah.

Like you're cutting your own dowels and the whole deal? Some guys did. You'd be able to just buy, you know, like 12 dowels already spine. They'd all be spine tested to say 80 pounds. And then you'd glue your broadhead on, you'd sharpen the front up, you'd glue your broadhead on. You glued it on? Yeah, you'd glue your broadhead on.

Hmm. No inserts. Yeah. Yeah. And then feathers, you'd use five-inch feathers on everything. Wow. And just fingers on the string, free fingers on the string. No sights or anything like that.

It was just open-sided. It was very instinctive shooting. Or some guys would use the arrow and line up down the arrow. They'd look down the arrow at the animal. But a lot of the times we were effective out to 50, 60, 70 meters. If you did enough practice, you were still effective out to those ranges. But it took a lot more time. Did you weigh your arrows and weigh your broadheads?

Yeah, you'd weigh your arrows and broadheads. So you kind of kept them in a certain range yeah you'd keep them all identical you'd spin test them all when once you put your broadhead on them um you'd you could get spine testers back in those days and you'd spine test them and you'd turn your shaft to get to the closest spine it wouldn't be perfect on each one we're talking timber here right and you get your spine pretty accurate on each one you'd glue your broadhead on in that sense and you and you uh you knock as well so so though everyone was spying the same up and down yeah wow dude yeah it was good goddamn pioneer yeah it was simple oh no that's basically like a mountain man trappers that came over here on beaver skin canoe yeah that's so you'd have to

practice a lot so i can go i'll go with my i've got the hoyt defiant there and i'll sight that bow in and you know i can i'll just shoot once a week or whatever you know if i can shoot daily i will but with traditional gear you had to shoot daily you had to have i'd have 50 or 100 arrows every single day just just to keep the skill level up um and it was same shooting a bow that was open sights you know no sights or anything like that and fingers you had to constantly shoot that bow to be to be accurate so it's almost like throwing a rock and that you've got to kind of have a sense of how far it's going to go with the amount of effort exactly like throwing a rock yeah where to pick it up so that you like if you know it's a certain distance away you know you kind of in

your head know the arc of the arrow yeah i wouldn't get a new bow every year because i would if you got a new bow you had to start all over again right whereas i knew the cast of that bow you know i know where an arrow fell i know where an arrow shot flat too yeah um but like i said hunting i used to kill just as much back then as i do today with today's technology but i've got to spend less time with today's technology well you're also in australia which is very different because you were you're saying like you can hunt all year round you can hunt all year round you can shoot things every day you can shoot as many animals as you want exactly so you could go out in one day and kill 12 deer and that's fine you

just take them and give them meat away to your friends. You wouldn't unless you were just culling because the numbers have got so bad. But you could. You could. You definitely could. Yeah, and there'd be no one would bat an eye at this. And then you just have a lot of friends and just give them the meat. Yeah, a lot of friends.

Everybody would like to come over. Yeah, exactly. Do you wind up giving a lot of your meat away heaps heaps yeah um i like shooting a deer while they're fat so before they go into the rut because right they go into the rut fat and they come out looking like a greyhound you know they just they just lost so much condition um so i like to shoot a couple of deer before the rut and um they've also got a lot of fat on them at that point which is really good for making sausages i like making my own sausages i'll fill the freezer with that and then i've just got a list of just family like put friends aside i've just got a

list of family that will take the meat off me um which is really good because especially with the deer a lot of the deer meat gets all used some of our big mountain boars and things like that i'm not a big fan of eating them big rank boars you know it's just it's super super gamey but still doesn't go to waste it's dog meat or it goes back in the mother nature right there and then have you uh ever brined them like brine a boar i'd like to try yeah my buddy antonio does all that sort of stuff and he makes those um like like big cranksy sausages, like a cured sausage. Man, delicious.

Awesome. Yeah. Apparently, if you cook them well, those old boars are really delicious. You just have to know how to brine them and cook them well. Well, the Europeans love them. Yeah. So we've got our professional pig hunters back home that hunt for human consumption. The meat goes to human consumption.

And the majority of it gets sent overseas. They love it, and they pay big dollars for it. How do they consume it? Sausage? Anything, I suppose. I think the whole animal gets shipped over. Right, but I wonder how they mainly eat it. I don't know.

The rut is a crazy thing, man. And most people aren't aware aware but deer and elk and i guess stags and a lot of those other animals they only have sex once a year so all year it's kind of crazy but what a crazy design like nature has it set up so most of the year they're not even horny yeah yeah then one time a year they lose their fucking mind. It's just crazy. Don't eat. Don't drink.

That's the only thing on their mind. Just go ballistic all day long, sometimes all night long. I've never hunted deer in the rut. I've only hunted deer in Wisconsin in season and in Montana. We hunted deer and they weren't in the rut. But apparently when they're in the rut, they lose their marbles. But I've seen elk in the rut, and it's the most bizarre thing. Can't even control their tongue anymore.

Their tongue's hanging out. Their dick is flopping up and down when they scream. Literally, they have a rod going all the time. They're jizzing all over their chest. They're screaming at the top of their lungs. Our red stags, they put their head between their legs, like they're in the rut. They'll put their head between their legs.

They piss in their mouth, right? They hold it all in their mouth. Then they gurgle it as they trot along, so all the spray goes all over their body. What? Like, imagine doing that before sex. Like, yeah, I just got to get this done, babe. You know, I'm just going to piss in my mouth and spray it all over me. I got to get ready, baby.

You know how I feel about you. And you know how happy they are when that happens? They're prancing around like, I'm king shit. I wonder what that's all about. What kind of evolutionary advantage is there to pissing in your own mouth and spraying it up in the air? You reckon we ever done that? And then they're just like, you know,

we're not going to write this bit in anymore because it's just drastic. We really don't need it. There's no benefit. You get yellow teeth. You just lie on your shoulders. You put your ass up in the air and's just drastic. We really don't need it. There's no benefit. You get yellow teeth. Yeah. You just lie on your shoulders. You put your ass up in the air and you just piss. Hold on to the back of your knees.

You got to scoop them and pull your dick towards your face. It's hard, but it's awesome to see in nature. I got to see that. See if you can find that. Is it a red deer? Yeah, red deer. I think a rooster deer might do it too. They're super medieval.

Are the other ones that roar like an Orion? Yeah. What a weird fucking noise that is. So a lot of people don't even realize there's deer in Australia. There's six species in Australia. And they'll go out camping and they'll hear that. And they're like, oh, there's a big cat in Australia. Because that's like a bit of a myth.

Like there's big cats in Australia. And that's what makes a lot of people think of it. They're like, we're scared shitless. We couldn't sleep last night. And I'm like, where was it? Where's the spot? I want to know where the spot is. Because I know it's a deer.

Right. Yeah. Well, did you hear that there was a rumor for like years and years and years people had talked about spotting big cats in the UK? Yeah. And then they found out that there was a fucking sanctuary that released big cats. Yes. They just admitted to it. And in the 90s, I think, in the late 80s or the 90s, they had released like a couple of

Pumas in the UK countryside. Pumas? Yes. Pumas. Puma. Pumas. No, like the sneaker. Puma.

Like, welcome to America. Oh, here he is. He's pissing. Oh, is. He's pissing. Oh, yeah. Look at that. He's pissing in his fucking mouth. What in the hell? And he loves it.

Have you tried it? Don't knock it. Give it a go. Oh, no. He's pissing all over himself. He doesn't even look like he's in the rut. Look at this. What is he doing?

He's just doing it for the fuck of it. You don't think he's in the rut? No. There's another stag there. He should be beating the shit out of it. Well, he's a little one, though. The other stag is big. He probably got to be real careful how he fucks with that other dude. Are they penned up? He's not the rut? No, there's another stag there. He should be beating the shit out of it. Well, he's a little one, though. The other stag is big. He probably got to be real careful how he fucks with that other dude.

Are they penned up? He's not doing it right. Yeah, he should be, like, pissing right in his mouth so he can gurgle it. Well, that's the thing in New Zealand, right? In New Zealand, a lot of the stags, they're high fence. I hate it. I don't want to piss off some hunters that do it, but closed range is, like, against everything that i'm about because it's a fake currency for what hunting is you get these massive big red stags and just crazy inches on

top of inches right no one ever writes oh this is the closed range stag that i shot in new zealand no one ever writes that they're just like oh i've got a big red stag you know blah blah and and so many hunters that that aren't educated in that sense and i'm not having to stab at them for not being educated they shouldn't have to be in that sense are looking at that going oh that's what you can expect when you go to new zealand or australia no it's friggin not they're penned animals right and they feed them high protein they feed them high protein food they're they're being genetically bred it's just all that crazy shit that's the fake currency of a red stag in australia and new zealand free range red stags aren't like that if you shoot a free range red stag like that

in australia or new zealand that's going to be the record right that's going to be the absolute record that's not the true that's not the example of what you can expect if you come to australia or new zealand and hunt free range isn't that the that's the difference between free range and fair chase and these high fence operations and it's very it's a very contentious argument because a lot of people are growing these white-tailed deer in america and they're again they're introducing this crazy food to their diet and they're they're growing these ridiculous racks that don't even look like racks have you ever seen those yeah they look like bushes growing out of their head. And they look so fake.

Yeah. I think they're ugly. They are ugly. I enjoy looking at them. I don't enjoy looking at them either. It looks weird. It's like some sort of a strange weird bred dog or something. When you see their antlers and their 290 inch white tails, what is that?

Because hunting should be so natural yeah and that's so far from being natural especially when it's wildlife i'm not talking about walking around with a stick and string that you've carved out of a tree yourself i'm talking about just a natural environment right landscape and animal yeah well animals that are living in the wild literally no interaction with people other than when the hunter especially what you're dealing with because you're dealing with very few hunters and like expansive areas where very few people even go into yeah yeah and they don't muck around they see you and they're gone like that there's no like oh that's what that dude might have food in his pocket i'm gonna walk over there and have a feed no they're like what the god's another another big issue in America where they have these feeders.

And these people, they put a blind outside of a feeder. And then the feeder goes off at a certain time. And these people sit in the blind and wait for the feeder to go off because the deer are programmed to come towards the feeder when it's going off. And you just whack them. Yeah, I'm not interested in that myself. But I don't frown upon it. Like, they call it baiting, right? Well, what it is is it's like meat acquisition.

It's not really hunting. I mean, it's probably better for the animal. And they've put the effort in to set that up right and treat that animal. So it's a little bit like, like I said, it's not my style of hunting, but it's the free range thing really gets me. I don't want to go on about it because I'm going to upset too many people. I know what you're saying, but think about what you were saying earlier about your experience in montana you're you know 11 days in

12 miles deep into the woods by yourself that's the real deal yeah yeah i mean that is as real as it gets but there's a thing about hunting where you know people that are really into bow hunting look down on people that shoot with a rifle people that are really into wilderness hunting and fair chase look down on people that hunt high fence. And I get the arguments. I even get the arguments for some high fence. Like a friend of mine went to this high fence operation in Texas. And I was like, man, that seems kind of crazy that these animals are all penned.

And he's like, it's 10,000 acres. He's like, the fence circles 10,000 acres. But they're put there, right? Yeah. Well, they're genetically bred still. They're put there. They're access deer and all sorts of, like, nilgai and all sorts of weird foreign species. He's like, yeah, they have been put there, but they're wild.

Yeah. Like, they're Roman wild. I'm like, man, that's a weird argument then. Because I get it. I mean, like, I'm not totally, like, if I needed to hunt for meat, it's a good way to do it, right? Even if it's only a few hundred acres, you know the animals are there,

you just go find them and get them for meat. But even if it's 10,000 acres, like, at what range is it really wild? Is it wild at 50,000 acres? Is it wild at 100,000 acres? Like, if it's fenced in, if there's a fence anywhere. For me, it's just got to be unfenced.

Unfenced, period. So when I went to Africa, I got pretty stitched up when I went to Africa, because it's just like an operation. It's just an income for them, you know? Stitched up? What do you mean by that? Stitched up, fucked over. Oh, yeah? Yeah. By the outfitter there. He was just a con artist,

basically. I don't want to go into too much detail but so i was supposed to go straight into zimbabwe and hunt buffalo cape buffalo and those are dangerous yeah before i got there he took me to he's they call them branches or whatever there and it's all that means is high fence operation in the south africa and i understand parts of south africa because it has bred animals that are on the brink of extinction and then it's good for them because they're there now but it's just not for me that closed range hunting and everything's closed range you know it's just I

absolutely hated it you know because I just want an animal that's that's that's there naturally um or has not been genetically bred or brought in or anything like that. And before I got there, these guys were like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot? And I'm like, well, we'll just see what's big for the area. Like that's all you can do. You can only shoot the big animal for the area. If you're after an old animal or a trophy animal,

you can only shoot what's big for that area. So usually I spend the first half of the trip understanding what's a big animal or an old animal for the area. Then you'll hunt it for the first half of the trip understanding what's a big animal or an old animal for the area. Then you'll hunt it for the other half of the trip. They're like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot? Well, let's just say what's big for the area. Oh, no, we'll just bring one in on a truck before you get here. You just tell us what size you want.

We'll bring it in and release it. What the fuck? If I'm going to do that, I'm going to go to a farm farm and say can i buy that cow and cut it up for meat right so so so that's a little bit on on at least that operation in south africa i'm not saying they're all like that there's a lot of them like that there is a lot of them like that and then i end up paying extra because i'm like no if i've got to hunt free range it's the only way i'm going to hunt and and that's what i was coming here for, to hunt a free range Cape buffalo. Then we end up in Mozambique at another place where we didn't see a bull for 10 days.

That outfitter, he'd never been to that place or he'd never taken a half a hunter's there or anything like that. And I got there and the whole time he was like, yeah, no, you know, this is a real good area. You'll tag out straight away. You'll see hundreds of buffalo every day. And like I said, 10 days no, you know, this is a real good area. You'll tag out straight away. You'll see hundreds of buffalo every day. And like I said, 10 days later, we hadn't even seen a bull. So, yeah, it's a horrible industry over there in that sense. And I can be blamed as well. I should have done more research on that outfitter.

But I won that hunt for a charity auction it wasn't the sort of thing that i was like you know researching for weeks and weeks trying to find a good outfitter to to go to and shoot a cape buffalo so that that was a bit unfortunate in that sense there's an amazing documentary on it from louis theroux uh who's a wildlife or rather a documentarian uh from uh the uk great guy who, who's been on the podcast a couple of times and talked about it the first time, but it's all about these, these African high fence hunting trips. And he was over there for a long time and got the guy to kind of explain exactly what's going on over there. But it,

it was just really bizarre to see people, you know, they're, they're, they had these lions and they had them like right there i mean there were there was two sets of fences one fence and the fence right behind it and they took a dead calf and they throw it over the fence and watch the lions tear it apart but you look at the lions are looking at the people you can go hunt those lions they just they just let one loose they take it out and it's all high fence but they were explaining that these animals were on the verge of extinction just a few decades ago and because of these high fence operations now they're thriving but they're thriving in these bizarre conditions where they're fenced

in can't they just put them out in the wild and let them thrive out there in a closed off area you know and then there's the poaching thing poaching is a weird word for it because a lot of those people are just hunting for food exactly yeah they're just poor people the villages that i went through because we'd find snares and and they'd rip them down and uh it wasn't it wasn't um the commercial side of poaching it wasn't like they were collecting the antlers or ivy or whatever and selling it and getting massive amounts of dollars these were people that were snaring to try and catch animals to eat. Yeah. If I'm going broke and my family's hungry,

I'm going to be the first one to fucking step over a fence and kill something. Yeah. I can tell you right now because I know I'm doing the right thing. Yeah. So there's a funny line there where there's a couple of different types of poaching, you know, and it's that one that's commercial and they're just slaughtering everything, elephants, lions, whatever. Rhino horns.

Rhino horns. Rhino horns, which is frigging horrible. Then there's the villager, or let's just call them locals, because they live there. It should be their land. They're just poor people. Exactly. They're just trying to feed their family. Like, man, I can't.

There's no hate in that. No, there's no hate in that. And those people are shot. They shoot them. I mean, it's. Scary shit. are shot they shoot them i mean it's scary shit i mean apartheid is dead in south africa but goddamn racism is still real strong in a lot of areas there and those people that are just poor black people that live there that's the other thing that i hated about the hunt dude

that man the people that i was with were friggin racist like i come back from that trip and talking to kim about it i was in like i ch like, I choked up. I started crying. I can't believe what those people have to go through over there. And they were the people that were helping me on the hunt. They were smiling. They were happy the whole time. And here's these people saying he would kill his own mother for the scraps on the table. I'm like, how can you frigging say that?

How dare you say that? You don't know that person. That's what they were like. Just deeply ingrained generation after generation i love the local people but i hated the outfit that i was with wow that's disturbing man it's just sad that i mean how do you ever fix that yeah and you know what's really crazy is for a lot of people that's their dream to go to africa and hunt the big seven you know or the big five or always there's this movement of people acquiring all these trophies and going to africa and shooting all these different animals and that's the way they do it they go to these outfitters

that can guarantee they can get in front of these animals yeah i think you've just got to do your research on the outfitters let's run all the scumbag ones out of the industry do your research on the the outfitter talk to other hunters that have been there like and not just one talk to six other hunters that have been that operation demand for the numbers or the emails for who their past clients are and go there australia doesn't have that australia's built a hunting industry which is tiny it's like have you ever heard about hunting in australia like i, come to Australia and shoot a whatever species of deer? You don't because it's not that big.

It's not like New Zealand or it's not like Africa where they've built a big industry on it. How did New Zealand get so big? I don't know. They must have the right people or government pushing it at some point. Because people are always going on there. New Zealand's known for it. Yeah. Beautiful country.

Awesome. Australia's known, New Zealand's known for it. Yeah. Beautiful country. Awesome. But Australia's industry is built on having excellent access to excellent numbers of game. So if you book a hunt in Australia, it's not like someone's gone, you know, there's a big industry here. So let's just make up a business, Australian hunting safaris, and let's just get people in.

We don't have game, but they're going to come anyway because we're known for hunting you book a hunt in australia i guarantee you it's going to be out of place as long as you do a little bit of research but but practically everywhere has big game numbers and that's why they've started the business on a hunting outfit because they've got so much game and they're like oh this is this could work out really good for hunters there's a ton of game here come along so it's a it's it's not like that in africa you know a lot of those places have really got nothing you know it's it's it's arid lands and you fed all this bullshit that the hunting's going to be unreal and it's and it's not at all which is what i experienced now when how many people though are willing to do something like what you did in Montana or what you and Cam did in Australia, which is probably even crazier

because you didn't even bring anything with you? Why do you have to keep bringing that up? You guys survived off the land. How many days were you out there for? I just want to fix something up about that. The helicopter pilot said you've got to keep your gear basically to a backpack hunt because the chopper couldn't carry a lot of weight. So then I was like, well, I can't pack a lot of food

because I'm already at my weight limit. Cam's already at his weight limit. Our buddy Owen's already going to be at his weight limit. So I simply couldn't really pack food. I couldn't pack fresh water or anything like that because the chopper actually struggled to get off the ground once it was fueled up

and then so that's the real story about it yeah but those fucks won't tell you that part of the story they won't be like oh we couldn't take food because the chopper couldn't carry it they're always like Adam didn't bring any food I'm responsible no the way Cam described it was like you guys had just made this conscious

decision to try to rough it oh that sounds good that sounds better right that's the i thought it was pretty gangster we did because i was like it would be part of the experience we'll have to catch buffalo we'll have to kill we're gonna kill come on and uh and we did you know but that the buffalo that we killed was so tough i think it might have been can's first bull that he killed was so tough that you just chewed the meat's first ball that he killed was so tough that you just chewed the meat you got the liquid out of it and then you had to take the meat out of your mouth because you couldn't break it down yeah what oh it was an old bull it was a giant old bull he told me that he was practicing with his bow with the same piece of meat in his mouth for 30

minutes that sounds about right that's Now, what about the liver? I mean, couldn't you eat the liver? We could. You'd want to check it over. Most of Australia's species in game are disease-free. Like, that's one of the beauties in Australia. You can cut the raw meat off any animal in Australia and just eat it. You won't get sick.

If you do get sick, don't blame me, but you shouldn't get sick. Let's just say you shouldn't get sick. If you don't get sick, I'll drink a buffalo piss. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, just so tough. But you didn't eat the liver? No, we didn't take it.

We should have, now that you've said that. I love liver. Yeah. Oh, I like to. Oh, yum. Cam don't eat that shit. Doesn't he? He won't eat heart.

He won't eat liver. He's a pussy. So he'll run like 200 miles but won't eat liver. Come on, Cam. He runs for 78 hours in a row. He won't eat a liver. That's not impressive. He just doesn't like it, I guess.

Get a new shirt, dude. I don't eat liver. I just don't understand it. I think it tastes delicious. But it's also really good for you. Yeah. And I think there's some sort of an obligation to eat as much of the animals. Yeah.

I'll do it. Oh, definitely. I'll do it. Especially a majestic thing like an elk or the, the indigenous population love it when we go out there for a hunt because, because that, that,

that is three and a half days, four days drive from my house to, to go there, to go hunting. Um, that's hard to take meat that far home, you know, where your, your, your your vehicle if you're in a

vehicle's already packed up and if you did the chopper thing you wouldn't be taking any out you'd have to uh donate it all to the indigenous right so when we go out for a hunt they love it because we're shooting bulls and cutting up meat and how do they cook it no different than any of us would so how the fuck do they chew through that thing if if they're out on um if they're out of community which is like a like an outstation they're on the land you know they're they're out on the land um most indigenous cook just by putting the meat straight in the fire you know still very traditional way they just put the meat no grill just on the ashes so if they if they killed a wallaby or a kangaroo um they wouldn't gut it. They wouldn't skin it or anything.

They'd throw it straight in the fire like that. And the skin is like a, what would we wrap meat in? Like alfoil or something like that and cook it in the fire like that. The skin just acts like that and it gives the meat a lot of flavor and everything like that. How weird. It's just, why do we have to complicate things so much? Oh, let's put some alfoil around it. Let's put some spices in there and stuff like that.

Because it tastes better. Why does it taste better? Because we're so used to doing that. But if you'd never done that, if we'd never, ever done that, meat would just taste good just how it is in plain. Maybe. Or maybe they figured out it tastes better with salt and pepper and garlic salt. Definitely, right?

So there's like some spice company that's going to go through indigenous Australia now, giving them all spices so that they get used to it. They'll get addicted. Sales go up. Yeah, so they throw it on the fire without gutting it at all. Yeah. And then do they eat the guts? I don't think they eat the guts, just the meat and everything around it.

Huh. They'd probably eat the organs and things. Same with fish. They'll just throw a fish straight on the fire. I've done that plenty of times. That's good eating like that. And so it won't be scaled. straight on the fire.

I've done that plenty of times. That's good eating like that. And so it won't be scaled. And the scales act as like the protective barrier between the ashes and everything getting to the good meat. And cooking the fish better, it seals in all the flavor and taste and the juices. Once the fish is cooked, then you just sort of wipe the scales off

and it's beautiful, clean flesh right there. Huh. Hmm. That's interesting. I've never cooked anything on ashes, like flat on ashes like that before. Huh. Hmm. I've never, hmm, that's interesting. I've never cooked anything on ashes, like flat on ashes. We will. Okay.

Yeah. You're going to need like a month in Australia. A month? What's a month? A month. Oh, a month. Oh,

that's a, I thought it was a new animal that I needed to learn about. How about when I was in bear camp and I was like 18 north and he's like, what's 18? 18. That's how I say 18 17 16 15 well you guys

you have an interesting way of saying words yeah it's proper English that's what it is I don't think it is but Australia is different than yeah it's weird because you guys if you didn't know Australians you guys sound like you're kind of English really yeah well there's like South African there's Australian well we're close If you didn't know Australians, you guys sound like you're kind of English. Really? Yeah.

Well, there's like South African. That's not very cool. There's Australian. Well, we're close. Right? They only have a few words they say different than us, like a boat. A. Yeah, a. A boat.

A boat. We're going to go around about Las Vegas. But they're polite. Very polite. They're the most polite people ever. Besides Australians. They're're polite. Very polite. They're the most polite people ever. Besides Australians. They're pretty polite too. But Canadians are like,

for North America, they're the fucking kings. The kings. Kings of politeness. But, so back to this crazy hunt that you did with Cam. If you couldn't eat the buffalo,

how the fuck did you guys, I mean, you kind of ate it. Well, you just chew it up and you'd find a softer spot to chew on. And you guys lived off of that? Yeah.

That and barramundi for the whole trip. What's a barramundi? Fish? Yeah, real good fish. Like, probably the best fish in the world. Oh, really? Yeah. How do you catch that?

Lures. We took little fishing rods in and we took a couple of lures. Is it a freshwater or saltwater fish? They're both. Yeah. They can be both. Where did you guys catch them? Well, we were camped right on the coast.

Oh. Yeah, it was horrible in a sense. It was good, they can be both. Where did you guys catch them? Well, we were camped right on the coast. And it was horrible in a sense. It was good, but it was horrible. It was nice because you'd get a wind each night. But it was horrible because you were near a lot of water and a river mouth. And the mosquitoes were, like, as soon as it started getting dark, mosquitoes would be in plague precautions. Like, your arms would go black covered in mosquitoes if you didn't put something on like i said we had to go light so i only had one tiny little tube of

like an insect repellent and those mosquitoes are that brutal that you'd put that you know and they'd stay off you for like two minutes cam didn't even have a net so i would sleep i had a hammock and i'd sleep in a hammock and i had a over me, but my back would just get smashed by mosquitoes because my back's just laying against the net, no mattress or anything. I'd wake up in the morning just agonizing, wanting to scratch, and Cam was the same, you know. No net at all. They were just smashing his face all night.

Oh, my God. Yeah. How do you – your eyes not swell shut. I don't know. So can you cover yourself up with mud or anything? You could if you went to that effort, I suppose. I would have done it. Yeah, you would have done it.

Fuck yeah, I'm a pussy. I don't like mosquitoes. No, it's just like. You just dealt with it? Yeah. You know, it's not even part of the thought process in a sense when you're on a hunt like that. Because it's just, you just want to be a part of the hunt, you know, and that's a part of the hunt. It's a miserable part of the hunt, know and that's a part of the hunt it's a miserable part of the hunt but that's just a part of the hunt i don't even like

a fly buzzing around my head when i'm practicing in my backyard really flies will be breeding in the corner of my eye and i'll just hold a conversation and people will be like dude i can't talk to you anymore i'm like what what what? What's up? You know, and he's like, there's a fucking fly fucking in the corner of your mouth. Like, can you shoo it? And I'm like, oh, hang on. You just get used to it. You just get so used to it? Yeah.

How many days did you guys do that hunt? Must have been eight. I think it was eight in the end. Now, when you decided to climb into that water to cool off, you didn't consider the possibility that there was crocodiles in there yeah the water was muddy and it's hard to tell you if it's muddy because there's a big saltwater crocodile stirring it up or because the buffalo go and wallow in every bit of water there is right so um we walk the edge and you look for crocodile slides croc slides doesn't mean there's no crocs

there if there's no croc slides but we walk the edge and there was no croc slides now and owen's a local he's a teacher up in the indigenous community there he knows the waters pretty well you can't it's hard to tell if a croc's moved in there over the season or or anything like that but we walk the edge and you're just that desperate to get wet like cam was even to the point where he's like can we just die i'd i'd actually prefer to cool off and then die let's just do it and then and you're the same like you're desperate it's that hot that you're just desperate and in a sense sense i think it was essential to get in the water at that point to get rehydrated you know just through skin intake and um the water was the same temperature as outside like you'd go into the

water and you couldn't feel that you're going into liquid because the water's that hot as well it's just been boiling in the sun but to lay in there and just chill out in the mud and every now and then you'd it's all muddy bottom every now and then you'd sort of push the mud out and it'd release some cooler waters that sort of hadn't been cooked by the sound. I'd be like, oh. That's what I mean. You really have to go through that shit to appreciate things in life. And one of those things that I just appreciated in life was pushing through the mud and getting a little bit cooler water. I was like, oh, this is paradise.

And then two seconds later, you're like, oh, this is uncomfortable as shit. Well, the fact that people live that way and struggle through those kind of environments and those kind of temperatures for untold years before they ever figured out ice. Ah. On a refrigerator. Eskimos. Air conditioning. Not Eskimos. They were like, heat, baby, heat.

Yeah, that's another extreme. Have you ever seen when people go up there and go hunting in like Nunavak? Yeah. They go hunting for those fucking big hairy things. What's big hairy things um ox yeah musk ox musk ox that thing's ridiculous it looks like a star wars animal yeah it does yeah it doesn't even look real cut the guts open and crawl in and get warm yeah i mean i've seen those things and you just go that okay so people live up there and they hunt those things and then they live down where you are and they hope for cool mud. Those buffalo that we hunt, you'll think, there's not going to be anything out anywhere today.

It's stinking hot. Everything will be in the shade under a tree or tucked under a riverbank or something like that. Those buffalo, as black as they are, will be standing out in the open, complete sun, just grazing. Nothing even bothering them. Now, most people listening to this have no idea what a scrub bull is. Scrub bull. They hear the term scrub bull, they don't know what it means, but it's a domestic cow. Basically, a domestic cow that's gone wild over many, many centuries in Australia.

They've all interbred, and they're pretty crazy looking. That's a scrub bull. Wow. Look how cool that thing looks. That's like a Brahmin there. So he's a bit of a breed bull. Look at the back on that thing. What a strange hump. And all it is, is that bull would be living in country where a lot of different other scrub bulls haven't come through. So it's still a fully wild bull. Whoa. Yeah, nice scrubber.

Scrubber. What is that one right next to it, Jamie? With the crazy horns, yeah. Yeah, Yeah, nice scrubber. Scrubber. What is that one right next to it, Jamie? With the crazy horns, yeah. Yeah, he's a big boy. Whoa. That's a scrub bill too? Man, that's in America. Look at the trees in the background.

Those are American trees? Come on. Is that it? It says Canada. Oh, Canada. What is that? Same thing, right? No.

They can't even come over here unless we let them. And they don't let us over there if you've got a drunk driving conviction. So they have scrub bulls in Canada? That's weird. I've never seen that before. I thought that was an Australian thing. What is that one down there? These people are just fucking shooting their cows.

Yeah. He'd be a scrubber. Wow, what a weird... Okay, so that's a buffalo. That's not a scrub bull.'re all wow what a weird okay so that's a buffalo that's not a scrub ball yeah that's a big water buffalo what a crazy thing that is so that is something from asia correct yeah from asia what kind is that that's a water buffalo just just call the water buffalo yeah so there's a cape buffalo that are from africa what is that one the not the lower left corner but the one right next to it, Jamie? Yeah.

What is that? What the fuck is that? That's a good scrub bull. God damn. See how all the colors vary in that? Because they're a real interbred animal. You know, and that's why... Interbred with...

Other variety of cattle. Now, the meat value is not as good or the breeding value is not as good because they're bitters. They're a bit of this and they're a bit of that they're a bit of everything it's like a dog you know you buy a purebred dog or you buy a mongrel which is you know a couple of different species in one what has the big value is the purebred right right and it's the same with these cattle so the the big issue with the the industry, especially in these northern parts of Australia, is these scrub bulls, these feral cattle, don't have any respect for fences. They'll just walk straight through a fence into a farmer's prized cattle and start breeding with his prized cattle. And then all those calves that he gets aren't the purebred cattle anymore. So it's really bad for the industry.

So they knock the fence down to get some cow pussy? That's pretty much it. Which is probably what would happen in America if those cows that I saw wandering around, if they were allowed to have balls and roam free and stay out there, they'd eventually become just like that. That's right. So they're just an unchecked species of animal in Australia, the scrub bull and uh they're just free to come and go wherever they

want so so a lot of farmers really push to to shoot them out or get them cold or rounded up or or off their property aren't they unbelievably aggressive too they're super aggressive more aggressive than a buffalo yeah wow why i, why? I wonder why. I don't know. Because they're pissed off because they're inner bread. Really? Yeah. That's definitely not why. They're just a cranky animal. We've also got...

Well, bulls are pretty fucking aggressive. I mean, obviously, the bulls... I'm talking like bull cows that we have in America. That's why people ride them. They only get eight seconds if they're lucky. Yeah. They're trained to be like that, though, right? I don't know.

Are they? Some of them are just natural... I don't know. Are they? Or are they just naturally pissed off? It's a good question because when you see bullfighters, are those bulls trained to try to fuck up the matador? I don't know. Our scrub bulls would just do that shit off their own back, I can tell you now. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

They're really aggressive. We've got bangtang bulls as well. I've heard of those things. Bangtang cattle? Yeah, like barley cattle? What's a bangtang? What does it look like? Jamie will bring one up, no doubt.

How do you say it? Bangtang. Spell it. Excuse me. B-A-N-G-T-E-N-G. Bangtang. Yeah, I believe. It's one word?

One word. Yeah, bangtang. So back home, native lands, they're nearly extinct. So they'll be back home. They'll be back home. Okay, so in Indonesia, they're almost extinct. But in America, or rather Australia, they run wild. And they're like a velvet skin cattle.

Yeah, they run wild. Velvet skin. Whoa, look at the skin. Man, they are a beautiful creature. What a weird-looking cow. Yeah, they they are a beautiful creature what a weird looking cow they're such a good creature type in um good hand outback experience that's one of my buddies that guides there for anyone interested and uh he's got access to these bang tang on some of the most beautiful country that you've ever seen like in northern australia yeah bring up something from

carl's there. Is that a bank tank? Yeah, he's an old one. See that boss going across the head? It looks like their skin is suede. Yeah. And they will charge on movement. Really?

One of those old bulls, if they see movement, they'll prefer to come at you than turn away. Because there's a risk in turning their back to you, right? Right. If you get within a certain distance. And there's Carl there with the Yeti hat on. I shot one last year or the year before with Carl, and it comes straight at us. And Carl's carrying a big gun, like I shot it with a bow.

And Carl lifted up the gun, and he shot this bang-tang as it was charging. It literally dropped nine feet from Carl. Like it just looked straight at him and just hammered straight at him. I got a second shot off as it was running. And actually broke its leg, which made it stumble. And then it just come straight back up and kept coming to Carl. And he pulled the gun up and he shot it straight between the eyes.

It was an amazing shot. Yeah, don't hunt one of those with a bow, by the way. That thing, man, they will tear you up. They're a scary critter. What a weird animal. Well, I guess it's because you fucking shot it with a bow and arrow too, right? Yeah. Probably very upset with you.

Yeah, probably. Yeah, I mean, it seems like a crazy idea to shoot one of those things by yourself, though. You almost have to have a rifle backup. Yeah. But if that's the case, why hunt it with a bow? Exactly. You have to have a rifle backup. You probably only hunt that's the case, why hunt it with a bow? Exactly. You have to have a rifle backup. You should probably only hunt it with a rifle.

The first hunt that I did with Buffalo was with a gun. The very first time I went was... Sounds like a good move. No, I had the bow. My buddy had the gun. Oh. Yeah, my buddy Aaron Grant. He's a really good shot, too.

So I was like, hey, you want to come on this trip with me? It would be good. You can shoot one. But in that case, why not just hunt with a rifle? Because you're not going to kill it with a bow that quick. Yes. Might. You can shoot one. But in that case, like, why not just hunt with a rifle? Because you're not going to kill it with a bow that quick. Yes. Might. You can.

You can. 95% of the time you can. That 5% is a motherfucker, isn't it? So I shot three bulls on that trip. I got three complete pass-throughs of Mara, and I got three bulls that died right in view. I didn't have a single issue, you know. But what the rifle done is it got you to go to places that

usually wouldn't like that bulls out in the open and if you didn't have a rifle backup behind you you probably wouldn't proceed out there and be like there's no trees around the climb I'm going to shoot that bull but when you've got a rifle it makes you a little bit gamer like you know obviously my buddy Aaron's on you know he's just waiting for shit to go south and he's going to pull a gun up and give it one. That didn't happen. All my other trips since, I've never hunted with rifle backup, but you've got to know your boundaries. You know, like there's a big lone bull out there.

There's no trees. He's right out in the open. You take a shot at him, he's the first thing he looks at, he's going to clean you up. And they do it. You know, that thing happens. Fuck that. That seems ridiculous. Fuck that you up. And they do it. That thing happens. Fuck that. That seems ridiculous. Fuck that. You're coming to do it.

Bullshit. No, no, no, no. I'm not doing that. What's the least likely to kill you if you shoot it? A buffalo. We'll go buffalo hunting. Really? No. No. Hell no. That's a lie. The least likely to kill you a freaking rabbit

rabbits are good yeah come out to australia to hunt a rabbit awesome well you have to kill a lot of them don't you you have they're overpopulated you gotta skewer them yeah cut as many as you want it's it's a funny thing as big as that animal is you know and and me saying know your boundaries if you do the right shot on that animal that's the first thing you know and and me saying know your boundaries if you do the right shot on that animal that's the first thing you know you've got to make sure that shot's right the angle's right you know you're confident with your bow you put that shot into the to the right spot then there's no risk because that that that animal's dead before it gets to you staying still after the shot you know like i said i'm not the person to shoot something go yes yes i shot it i'm not like

not like that i think it's a little bit disrespectful even but it's also it's also dangerous and it's unpeaceful for the animal because you do that gives the animal an adrenaline boost animals with an adrenaline boost man that's that's a hell reckoning you know buffalo yeah or buffalo you know that will carry them it might them. It might make their death longer because they're filled with adrenaline and stuff like that. You shoot an animal and you be quiet, you put the shot in the right spot, it's so peaceful. I've actually shot things and they've been like, what was that?

Put their head down and start feeding again and toppled over. While they're feeding, they don't even know they're hit. That's one of the beauties about bowing. It's that peaceful peaceful and that's why you don't carry on like a friggin jerk right once you shoot something you know just quiet nice and humble the animal dies peacefully that's what every hunter should strive for yeah it's um also you would have to have the proper equipment right if you're going to penetrate the side of a buffalo you have to have a very strong bow and heavy arrows yeah um i like that because you can't tell if you're going to hit a rib on the way in or the way out and with

my setup like i mostly shoot 70 pounds when i'm shooting 80 at the moment and that heavy arrow and a solid one piece it's just a solid piece of steel two blade broaded those vpa broaded shane doran shoots them as well by vantage point archery it's 150 grains that's a heavy broadhead yeah then it's got a decent insert behind it like 92 grain insert and then um a nice heavy shaft and then let's just talk about the 80 pound bow with the 80 pounds i can find a rib on the way in on the buffalo and i can find a rib on the way out and that arrow is still just going to bust straight through you through there now how heavy is the arrow it's about they right well depends what i'm shooting but with the 80 pound i'm shooting 670 grains wow yeah and with the 70 pound bow it's not much different it's about 620 grains 670 grains is really heavy but

that makes a quiet bow and it makes a punch when it hits animals. And how many feet per second are you getting out of that? I don't know. I don't even get into that technical shit. Do you do sight tapes or do you do it by eye and then write it on a tape? No, I've got sight tapes. So how do you calculate your sight tapes if you don't? Well, I've got the Trophy Taker or Option Archery sight now.

And it's the Option 5 or Option 6 sight. It's got an adjustable pin, or you've got all your fixed pins that you flip in place. Now, with that one, I just shoot my 20, and I actually shoot all my pins in out the 50, and then I match it up with the sight tape, and then I stick that on the bow at the 20-meter mark. So then when I pull the multiple pin out of the way,

I've just got the single pin that winds up and down the damn mark. So obviously I shoot it and check it, which I have, and it's spot on. It's perfect. Okay, so you don't do anything like Archer's Advantage, do it through a computer calculation? No. That's interesting. I just like shooting it all myself.

It's so heavy. I will move each pin for that shot. So I'll shoot in, you know, 0 to 20, the first pin. And then I'll walk back to 30 and I'll shoot. And I'll just keep shooting and adjusting that, you know, in tiny little increments if I have to. Do you have like a range at your house that you do all this for? No, I do it all up on the farm. You know, I sent you those photos at the time of that cabin that I built.

That's amazing. Yeah. That cabin's incredible. I just got a crazy – I can shoot as far as I like well let me tell you we're almost done here but let me let me tell you uh people about your uh photography too because you take some incredible photography when you're out and where you have this like a book that you made of your photography that i got a chance to look at yeah did i have to bring that along did i that's cool um you brought it somewhere yeah you brought it back yeah you brought it to bear camp but

also you sent me to your website too and i got a chance to look at some of the photos that you have up yeah you take some amazing pictures i love it that's the other thing that i carry in my pack and people people freak because it's the canon 5d the mark 3 it's an external flash spare batteries it weighs a ton right there how much does it weigh not a ton but 20 pounds yeah it'd have to be yeah is that what you got is that it same camera oh can i hold it then add a flash like a big full-size external flash to that and batteries this feels that's a lot in the pack it feels like it's probably 10 pounds right the end result to that is that's how you get those those crazy photos wow do you carry a tripod as well? Yeah, I carry a little tripod.

Wow. Do you use the same tripod? Wow. Look at that. Look at that. Photography. You know, people can actually go to First Man Image, which is another Instagram account that I've got.

God, that picture's incredible. And there's a heap of pictures like that on there. Now, this picture is from how long ago, Jamie? That's Idaho. That's just the other day. Yesterday. One day ago. Now now how do you take this photo like where you see all those stars is it just setting the aperture correctly yeah it's setting aperture correctly the lens that i use it's a it's a sigma art lens it's a 20 mil lens and the f-stop on that lens is only like 1.4 like that's super super low right

what does that mean i don't know shit about photography like your eye being closed up and then you know say say say an f4 right your eyes really closed up and and uh f 1.4 would be like that like imagine how much more light and everything you could get in that's probably a basic way of explaining it okay and then um i will oh so i'll set the camera up it's got to be on a tripod because that's like uh oh there you go okay jamie's got to explain hey i got it right f number wikipedia it's a x uh it's like exponentially larger every time you drop in a in the increment it gets exponentially larger and then as you go higher in f stops it'll get smaller so okay there you go so self-taught this is all like i just self-taught taught so i'm not really into

the lingo but there you go oh so the same thing is with bowhunting you're self-taught with photography as well yeah it's what happens when you live out in the jungle fucking bang tang exactly wild snakes and shit so that that's obviously set up on a tripod, and it's about 15-second exposure. So it's open for 15 seconds. It gathers in a lot more light. God damn, that is fucking beautiful. How many days ago was that from, Jamie? Six.

Six days ago? Six days, yeah. God. That is your tent. What an amazing picture. This is your tent, and your tent looks like, did you have a headlamp inside the tent or something that illuminated it? Yeah, a tiny little headlamp. So you left that on.

Left that on. And then set the camera up. God. Yeah. The stars, man. So that's what you were seeing every night while you were camping up there? Yep. Every night until the moon come out.

Man, that's fucking pretty. I love moonless nights just for that very same reason. Oh, moonless nights are the best. There's nothing like that view of the Milky Way. It's insane. Hey, if you can, Jamie, if you go back a little bit, and you'll see some dead buffalo pictures. And around that time, I was taking some star shots when I was in Arnhem Land,

because there's no artificial, there's no light pollution anywhere up there. The stars with the naked eye, like the aperture and everything can come back so much further on those nights because it's just, even with the human eye, it's just crazy. Wow. Yeah, it's just lit up. Like you could actually walk around in the dark just lit off the Milky Way. No moon.

You could walk around in the dark up there just because there's so many more stars that you can see it's crazy and your eyes just open up to it there's a benefit of bow hunting people or the outdoors don't even get in the bow hunting just go camping in the outdoors nah you might have to go up a little bit that's pretty cool though that was a solo camp that i had go up or down um older older yeah that's that's pretty good one yeah oh my god that's like you're in a spaceship yeah i mean that really is like a spaceship yeah so yeah if anyone's if any listeners are into um the outdoors and not necessarily killing because obviously adam green tree bowing's got a lot of um harvest kills on it um if you're just into

photography just go to first man image and um first man image first man image adam oh adam i get it first man like adam you know how many people didn't get that nobody me i'm like i just i'm one of the latest who didn't get it. First man image on what? On Instagram? Instagram, yeah. Do you spell it in some sort of weird Australian way? First dot man dot image. Is that what it is?

I think so. Oh, so it's adam.greentree.bowhunter if you're interested in looking at dead animals and stars. And if you just want photography, first.man.image. and you're a pussy if you only go to that one how dare you first dot man dot image oh yeah man god damn you take some pretty pictures dude that's amazing that you're self-taught i've been thinking about it lately that i need to get into photography at least somewhat yeah to just take pictures other than

with my iphone i just that's the best when you so much, it's the best way to capture a memory because I can look back on the photos now and go, that's right. How cool is that? Or whatever. Sometimes I do so much and I get carried away with doing so much hunting that it's like if I didn't take a photo, I'd actually forget that moment because there's so much happening. And I just love showing it to my kids and friends and people that are interested. It's a really good promotion for the sport.

I used to think... Do you call hunting a sport? I don't. I hate that word. But you just used it. I know. Yeah, it's a common word that people use. At least you correct me.

I feel like there's a better word for it, like natural life. A discipline. A natural part of me or discipline. I think discipline is a better word for it. I hear the sport, like you're welcome to the the sport glad you're getting involved in the sport I'm like oh so like well we could call it a pastime I've called it a pastime a lot but a pastime doesn't seem significant enough it doesn't yeah it seems like it's not not I mean you shoot an elk, is that a pastime? No. It's way more than that. It's like a life experience, who I am, what we are.

And then some, right? Yeah. So, you know, with you getting into the sport, I'm not going to say it. See? With you getting into bow hunting, I guarantee you wish you found that 20 years ago. Bow hunting? Yeah. You know what?

I'm happy I found it when I found it. Of course. I'm busy. I used to hate the idea of someone's going to go through life and never find this connection. And that's the big push for me to promote bowhunting. I've written for the Australian outdoor magazines for like 12 years now. And a lot of people think it's like a self-promotion. I don't care if I didn't have any viewers at all. for like 12 years now. And a lot of people think it's like a self-promotion.

Like, I don't care. I don't care if I didn't have any viewers at all. As long as people were getting that exposure, I was putting that out there for people to go, oh, I should try this. It looks cool. This dude's really enjoying it. Here's the benefits in it and going and doing it because it drives me nuts just thinking that

someone should have that connection. They just don't know it yet because a lot of the guys especially the older guys that i've introduced to bow hunting have always been like man i would have never known about this before and they've just got now i can't imagine them as anything else but hunters you know because they just thrive on it that much and it's done so much for their lives or just the outdoors some guys that get get into it try and be like it's not for me but i really love camping and being out there in the wilderness and even archery yeah definitely just shooting a target for me is like a form of therapy yeah it's like a zen moment yeah there's so much concentration going on that it cleanses your mind

and if i can shoot bows for an hour every day man it just uh it it alleviates stress in some sort of a strange like you know for lack of a better word zen way yeah yeah well that might be the best word for it actually what you're talking about earlier like going out to the wilderness no technology or anything like that what it does to the mind is it frees the mind that like it's like it resets me it's like hitting the reset button it's all good good. It's all fresh now. You know, it just gives you time to think, you know. Yeah, and even people that aren't into hunting, I totally understand that. And like I said, I've been really paying attention a lot to people that do these long-term hikes and also overlanding, people that just go on these crazy adventures. just go on these crazy adventures.

Like they get off the beaten path and they develop these vehicles that are capable of driving over adverse conditions. And they just figure out a way to live out there in the desert or out there in the mountains. It's fascinating to me because there's a longing I think that people have to get away from the concrete, to get away from the electricity and to just, just feel the stillness of the actual world unencumbered unencumbered un just uncompressed by by civilization and buildings and language and when you're out there

man i don't i've never done what you've done but when you're out there for 11 days you don't even talk to anybody for 11 days this so this trip i did because i've had internet service at the top or receptions and i kept doing this uh insta stories you know yeah those were great by the way oh you're watching them yeah i watched all of them i wish you saved them though the thing about that's your story disappear that absolute sucks you know what you need to do if you're listening next year send a photographer out or or a film dude, and we'll film the whole thing. Yeah, but then some dude's going to be talking to you and complaining.

No, no. That's the rules. He can't talk. He's got to have his own campsite and shit like that. He can't jump in if a bear's trying to eat me. Someone's a pre-event dog. It's just got to be. I can't even help you from a bear, huh?

So that sucked. But I've had trips where you don't talk to people for days and days on end. And just the fact of coming back into civilization and opening your mouth feels weird. To talk. Oh, it feels absolutely weird. But even when you're talking up there, you're not talking to anybody. It's still not. No, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're talking to the phone. You're like, hey, I'm up here. I just heard a wolf. You tend to talk to yourself every now and then. You do. You seriously do.

Every now and then you'd be like, and then you think like, why do they say that out loud? Because you haven't interacted with anyone for so long. You know, it would be something like, oh, you fell over, you frigging dummy. You know? Which happened a few times. Well, you definitely don't want to break a leg up there. Nah, you'd be screwed. Did you bring a satellite phone?

Yeah, I had a satellite phone. Yeah. So in case shit goes bad. Yeah, and it's got an SOS button built into it. I even say it to Kim, my wife. You don't see that side of things, but I do actually take precautions. I take a sat phone, that's it. And a gun.

No, there's management within it, but you just don't see it. Listen, dude, there's a very small handful of people, even in the hunting world, that are doing what you're doing, that are taking those kind of crazy adventures and just diving into it. It's awesome, man. I was really blown away by those Instagram stories and following you every day. I follow you several times a day. I would go in and check in on it, make sure everything's going on.

Oh, man, cool. Awesome. That's good. I never see you like any of my shit oh my god i hope you probably like things more i just look at them i enjoy them i need to hit that little heart button people love you when you hit that heart button yeah for sure give a little bit of love i'll give you a little love you need to do one of them trips no no yes you do i'm telling you you'll friggin thrive on it dude it's interesting i don't think i didn't yeah you would you'd love it uh i don't mind i would like to go and do you know like a deep backpack trip but solo i don't know about all that i don't want anybody finding my sneakers you know i'm saying still inside from wolf marks all over it they'll be so ironic for

eating by the wolves that i love so much. Yeah, that's funny. Well, hey, brother, thank you very much for doing this. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for having me on the show. I really appreciate it. It's always cool

hanging out with you. I'm glad we got a chance to do this. Awesome. And again, adam.greentree.bowhunter on Instagram. And where else

can people get you? First.man.image on Instagram or you can find Bow for those on Facebook as well. And you have a website? No website you? First.man.image on Instagram, or you can find both of those on Facebook as well. And you have a website? No website. No website. Yeah.

Yeah. No website and no weirdos. Thank you. No weirdos. All right, folks. Thank you very much. See you soon. Bye.

Good luck. That was great, man. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good.