The Joe Rogan Experience - #861 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: October 18, 2016

Bryan Callen is an actor and stand-up comedian, and together with Brendan Schaub he also hosts "The Fighter & The Kid" podcast available on Spotify. http://tfatk.com

Two, one, yee-hah! Just less than a month before Armageddon, and we're here in the bunker in lovely Woodland Hills, California. That's right. Brian motherfuckin' Callan is here! Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. He's voting for Jill Stein because she, like Brian, wants 16-year-olds to be able to vote. We both think it's super rational and a great idea because no one, no one better to decide the future of the world than a hormonally flooded

baby. Yeah. Well, what do you think about 18 year olds drinking instead of 21? I don't think, um, there's anything wrong with someone who is supervised, who is 18, who is sort of mentored into having a couple of drinks with an intelligent and very disciplined parental figure. Like someone who's a smart dad or a smart mom who says, listen, I don't want you to be, I don't want this to be something

that's so out of reach that you wind up doing it and getting obsessed with it because it's the forbidden thing and it becomes a big deal. Yep. Have a drink or two. Right. You know, but they have to be like a really conscientious parent. They should be there with the kid. Make sure that no one's driving.

Right. No stupid shit. But we all had beers before we were 21. All of us. Everybody did. All of us. I also think that if you're going to give people the responsibility to vote and they can join the army and go and fight and die

and kill, give them a license to kill yes, it seems very strange to me that you're not also allowed to vote and I'm sorry, drink because it used to be in I think 1984 is when the law changed, you were able to drink yeah man, it was like, I missed it by just a few years fuckers And I think 1984 is when the law changed. You were able to drink. Yeah, man. It was like, I missed it by just a few years.

Fuckers. I didn't. I don't think. Did I? Yeah, you did. Because 85, I was 17. So that was when I graduated high school. I think I was 18 and 85.

Either way, I was drinking in college. Were you? Yeah. Yeah, of course you were. I drank in high school. No, but I could drink in bars in Washington, D.C., I remember. Oh, really? They had different laws? Yeah. I was 18. I was an in college. Were you? Yeah. Yeah, of course you were. I drank in high school. No, but I could drink in bars in Washington, D.C., I remember. Oh, really? They had different laws?

Yeah, I was 18. I was an early 18, January 26th. That's why I'm so mature now. You are mature. I say that about you all the time. That's what I like to hear. I say, for a grown-up baby. That's the attitude I'm looking for out of you, sir.

All my friends are grown-up babies. Joe and I are at the comedy store, and we run down to this other part of the comedy store, and there's a mirror. And both of us stop, look in the mirror, and we pull our shirts up and start flexing. We start going, oh, look at my stomach. Look at my, oh, my obliques. Swicky Zab, son. And then just as quickly, threw our shirts down and ran away.

And I just barked, we're losers. We're fucking losers. We're babies. We're growing up babies but um everybody is until you have so much responsibility that you're beaten down and it's no fun anymore i did i think i have figured out the delineation there it's fun to be immature and we are and to be silly geese but i think the difference is you become a real adult and you become mature when you have other people that rely on you and where other people's happiness to some degree is more important than your own. So, you know what I mean? And their development causes you concern, angst, and requires your time and sacrifice.

And if I could throw something in there, the only way that silly goose stuff works at all is if you've got your bases covered That's right, right Like it's really tough to be a silly goose if you're behind your taxes or if you have massive credit card debt that you're ignoring Or there's these these stacking stress things these events these these Factors in your life that can really get involved in your, your happiness and your silliness. So as long as you know, yeah, your, your ducks are in a row, then you can kind of laugh a little bit. Well, we've taken for granted the fact that we have

figured out a way to preserve our biology in most countries in terms of like, we have life-saving countries in terms of like, we have life saving medications or sort of preventions for keeping us from things like malaria and diphtheria and all those things that used to really because when they always talk about when you go into a country, and you want to get that country on its feet, and you want to help develop that country. The first thing you have to make sure of is that people aren't suffering from chronic illnesses parasites? Diseases that that just make them feel shitty. They've got the right nutrition So the first thing to do is take care of your biology take care of that You know that sort of thing that you live in that machine because otherwise if you don't feel good

There's a little rudimentary things if you don't feel good like hookworm in the south But when after World War I mean, I'm sorry, Civil War, was so endemic. It would get in your feet. Hookworm, is that like a ringworm type thing? No. Hookworm gets in your, enters through your feet. Because kids, people would always use the, they wouldn't use outhouses. They'd use the great outdoors.

And then you'd walk around on your bare feet. So what hookworm does is it gets into your, I guess it goes through your feet. And then it causes you to become anemic because it latches on to, I don't know, it has some mechanism where it latches on the intestine or something. Either way, huge portions of the South after the Civil War were anemic. I mean, huge towns. And in fact, it was so bad that they started running campaigns saying, use an outhouse or die. Use an outhouse or die. And they solved the problem.

But it was a major issue in Reconstruction after the war. Major issue in this country in the South. When I lived in Florida, people used to always talk about worms. Now that I'm thinking about it, this is one of the first times I'm remembering this. I think one of my aunts got it. I think she used to walk around barefoot and florida is so tropical yeah you know there's so much when we live there we see alligators all the time oh yeah like and this was when they were they were um they were protected you ever have

worms no i never got like i've gotten ringworm before though oh yeah me too but this guy right here that you're looking at has had worms come out of his ass oh you told me this uh-huh one of my most vivid memories with my sister screaming and crying and i run in and there's a giant pink worm coming right out of her four-year-old ass or whatever it was oh my god she didn't know what the fuck was happening and i was like i was i was like it's a worm you just have worms how old were you mom i was uh six you weren't worried about worms coming out of your sister's butt i was a kid i'd had them It's a worm. You just have worms. How old were you? Mom. I was six. You weren't worried about worms coming out of your sister's butt? I was a kid.

I'd had them. And I was like into snakes and stuff. I was like, neat. My mother made it like, look at that. You have worms. Now take this medicine. Now what happens if you don't have those worms? Or if you don't take the medication for those worms?

So worms are a parasite, right? How bad can they fuck you up? Badly. Look at tapeworm. So worms are a parasite, right? How bad can they fuck you up? Badly. Look at tapeworm and the worms, parasites like worms, were a major issue. And if you remember New Guinea worms, which cause, I think elephantiasis, but they're awful.

Like New Guinea worms, look up New Guinea worms. They would, I guess. If you want to look up something, look up this video that Red Band was showing me the other night at the comedy store about some guy who had an insane amount of worms removed from his gut. He went to the doctor and he was complaining of stomach pain and all these issues. That was a reality. Oh, dude, there's a video. Sanitation is such a huge factor in our comfort.

So if you're being sensitive to it. Whoa, whoa. The fuck, Jamie? Jamie, how dare you? How dare you when I'm talking about sanitation? Son of a bitch. Just put it on for us so that the video, so we don't get pulled. Yeah, yeah.

We can get a look at it here. 25-year-old bodybuilder, that thing? Is that it? Yeah, I think that's it. So worms are a real thing, but they can be deadly. They can be deadly. Check this out. They literally had to...

It says parasitic worms need a high... This might be one of those vegan propaganda videos. Probably. Look at all these worms, though. Holy fucking shit coming out of this guy's body. I mean, it is insane. His gut is just stuffed

with these squirming worms as he's pulling them out. Looks like spaghetti. It looks like moving spaghetti. If your spaghetti looks like that. Isn't that crazy that worms can live in you like that? Oh my god, it's insane. Look how much it is. Yeah, that's disgusting. I mean, you're looking literally at a large bowl of spaghetti, right? Yeah.

Like, I would be wondering if I could eat that whole bowl. That was the reality for a lot of people all the time. Jesus. Look at all of that. That was all inside that dude's body. Take a look at tapeworms. Tapeworms. That might be a tapeworm.

That looks like a long tapeworm. But do they need animal protein to stay alive? Is that true? Or could they eat anything to stay alive? See, there you go. I'm vegan. Oh, it's a vegan thing. I don't know if that's true.

Like, let's find out if that's true, because if that is true, well, first of all, if you got fucking worms, you got a problem, period, right? You're not supposed to get worms. And just because you get sick because you get worms and then the worms have food to eat because you eat a certain diet, doesn't mean you shouldn't eat that certain diet. You still have a fucking worm living in you, buddy. You still got a worm living in you. Yeah, you got to kill that thing, figure out. How about those worms that break out of your skin?

That would be a tapeworm. Massive tapeworm discovered inside a man who complained of a stomach ache. 20 feet long. That's an even different kind of worm. That other guy had small, I guess it was a gang of different parasites you can get. You can get them from raw meat. Look at that. But that is something to know.

Find out if that's true. Because if they can only survive in a person that's eating a protein diet or a high animal protein diet, I don't know if that's true. That's not true because people got plenty of worms in southern India where they were vegetarians. That's nonsense. Worms were a fact of life for any human being. They're just parasitic. They eat whatever they can get. But that said, if you're consuming animal protein, it's probably another delivery mechanism, right?

Yes. Like food-borne worms. However, there's also the fact that you irrigated and grew your vegetables in human shit and animal shit as part of the fertilizer. in human shit, in animal shit, and it's part of the fertilizer. When that fertilizer got on a piece of lettuce or something that was raw or got on your hands and you ingested, that's how you get things like hepatitis A. That's how you get other parasites. Yeah, that's apparently the biggest form of E. coli poisoning is from salads. That's right.

Isn't that crazy? Or was it broccoli or salads? It's a type of E. coli poisoning is from salads. That's right. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's like, or was it broccoli or salads? But it was a vegetable. And it's a type of E.coli, right? So it's not, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. It's just runoff, you know?

Yeah. You know, that's what ruined the Salton Sea. Do you know about the Salton Sea? Oh, yes, of course I do. You mean the one in Russia? No. No, the Salton Sea is in California. They were calling it the Inland Riviera California's inland Riviera. In the 1950s, it opened up the Colorado River. And they flooded this valley in California. It's about, it's outside of Palm Beach. I'm not sure how far, maybe a couple hours or something. I'm not sure. The desert, though, right? But it's in the desert. And for a long time, meaning a couple of decades, it was awesome.

So people partied there. Sonny Bono and Cher had a fucking house there. They would fish and swim. And there was all these beautiful vacation videos. Like, visit the beautiful Salton Sea, California's inland Riviera. Greetings from the Salton Sea. So they filled that fucking place up with water. And there was tilapia in there and people would boat.

And all the hip people from the 1950s, they would go to a fucking party at the Salton Sea. It was just the spot to be, right? Then the runoff. The runoff from all the pesticides that all the farmers use all got in that water. And the die-off is so radical, the fish die-off, that the white sands around the shores in some spots are actually just dead fish bones. Like that right there? That is all.

That guy is standing on dead fish bones. Wow. Because they're tilapia or like particularly hardy. And they're like one of the only fish that can survive in that fucking polluted

cesspool now. Really? Yeah, Sonny Bono, before he died, before he went skiing and whacked into a tree, his goal was to find some sort of

a desalination and filtration method for taking all the runoff and all the all the pesticides and bullshit out of the salton sea he wanted to try to clean it up it was like one of his ideas what is that you just showed us that before and after no um but it's um it's an amazing story it's an amazing story because like they just didn't understand what was going on what is the is it the aral sea that was... That's what that picture was. Yeah, that's crazy.

That was a real, a legit sea that somehow, environmentally, the Russians or whoever was in that area fucked up. How did they do that? Dried it up? Yeah, I can't remember the reason, but it had something to do with irrigation

and farming, I i think and maybe i'm wrong when i was in seattle a couple months ago i talked to this gentleman who runs um there's this like salmon thing down there where you can go underneath one of the bridges and actually see the ladders where the salmon pass through and you can see the salmon swimming up the river it's really fucking badass really yeah it's really cool like you go under the river and these are just wild salmon that are doing their thing. But you get to look at them through like a window. Wow.

So they took something that happens naturally anyway, and they just put a window so you can go underground and check it out. And then they made it like an awareness thing. They showed the salmon weir, which sort of counts the fish as they go through in some spots. This guy was saying that at one point in time, they had carved a channel into this lake and connected this lake to the ocean and as they were connecting this lake to the ocean they fucked up and it drained these other waterways and so the salmon didn't have a way to get back into the lake anymore and so they died in mass just millions of salmon just piled up and took the path they always take and just died and rot.

I don't know why I just had this image of when you were talking about all the salmon that died, but they're swimming in one direction. I had this image of all the actors that come to Los Angeles over the years. Oh, no. I would always feel that way sometimes. I remember driving in traffic to an audition or something, and I would always get this image of being a salmon swimming upriver. And more importantly, I didn't know what the— I wasn't really sure what I was doing it for. I was like, I wonder if I'm doing this so I can see if I can win at this impossible game,

or do I really want to be on set acting? Like, what's really going on? And what is acting anyway? And why did I get into this in the first place? And who are my heroes? Oh, yeah, walk in and pacino and but did i know what they're really doing and do i do i just want to be in the movie and be the guy in the movie or do i really want to be an actor and why am i spending so much time doing jujitsu and other things when i should be working on my acting this is interesting and if girls weren't involved would i do it all

right those are a lot of questions it's a lot to those are a lot of questions. It's a lot to bring up. It's a lot to bring up. It's a lot to unbox. It's hard to kind of get an honest assessment. Do you have something important to say? Yeah, Mick West debunked that video, the worms. It's not real. It has nothing to do with meat, according to him.

There's a video of a three-year-old with that many worms, too. Mick West is a smart man. He marked it as debunked. That motherfucker. So that doesn't make sense. If it's coming from a vegan site, those guys are always super honest. He also added that what's shown is called a worm bolus, B-O-L-U-S. He says it's an uncommon complication of infection and has nothing to do with eating lots of meat.

Yeah, that's not surprising. Who is that guy? That's Mick West. He's brilliant. I met him when I did the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show, and we were talking about chemtrails, which he has worked really hard to try to explain to people that are ultra-paranoid. He calls them the training wheels of conspiracy theories. No, they won't listen, but what he had to say and what I saw from the people that believe in him,

it's pretty obvious what's going on. And the problem with everybody freaking out about these fucking artificial clouds that are made naturally by jets as they pass through the air with the moisture in the air, the problem with them freaking out about that kind of stuff is the government does do shady shit sometimes. But you've got to be able to differentiate between when it's actually doing shady shit and when it's just a chemical reaction or just a natural reaction of the superheated jet engine hits the cool air and it

creates this cloud. I mean, that's what it is. You can, you can do it right now. You can go do it right now and it's not hurting anybody. But I think, uh, my experience with people who are conspiracy theorists is not so much that they're looking for the truth. I think it's a little bit more and I want to be fair, but I think it it's i always notice that they are more interested in belonging to a club that is in the know there's an identity attached to it so it no longer becomes really about the search for see if you're if you're scientifically minded right if you if you're somebody who says like michael schirmer says i believe in the scientific method what that really means is you start with doubt doubt is always present because you're always trying to prove your assumptions.

And your assumptions are usually assumed to be wrong until they are proven otherwise through trial and error, independent lines of inquiry that come to the same conclusion, all things being equal. Those are the things that we – that is how we live. I mean that goes into the medicine, the computer that you use and everything else. I mean, there is a way to get to a result that actually has tangible, mathematical, measurable reality. Attached to being a conspiracy theorist, regardless of what that means, as they are, as someone who would be, I don't know, it's an identity as opposed to a search for truth. Well, it's also like a default view. Can't wait to get the emails. The default view is that it's a conspiracy. The problem with that default view is that sometimes it's a conspiracy.

But if you're wrong a lot, and conspiracy theorists are wrong a lot because they jump too quickly. They jump to conclusions too quickly. Instead of actually looking at what the fuck the facts are and then going, okay, well, what's fishy about the facts? All they do is concentrate on what's fishy. That's it. They try to narrow in on the one thing

that they think is the most fishy. I don't remember these jet planes when I was a kid. I'm like, bitch, you don't even remember what color your house was. Right. Okay? You don't remember shit from when you were a kid. Right. Of course you don't remember whether or not there were lines behind jets, but there's

photos that show lines behind jets. Of course. And you show them, like, where did they get those photos, man? Like, come on. This is, I know there's a lot of shady shit the government has done, but this one has been tied up. It's obvious what this is. Now, here's the problem.

When you pretend that those are clouds and that these clouds that are coming out of the back of these jets are some sort of a chemical spray that the government is launching indiscriminately down on civilization for mind control or some nefarious purpose. Mind control? Whatever fucking nefarious purpose they believe. It's the worst. It's the worst, it's the most obvious government program ever because it's so ineffective. It hasn't done jack shit. Right.

Like, it hasn't done anything. People are living longer than ever. Diseases are getting cured more than ever. They're more rebellious than ever. Everyone was like, look, I've got a vote for Bill Murray shirt on. Right. And people would,

if Bill Murray was running for fucking president right now, people would vote. They would vote for him. Well, what I think is really awesome about the internet and about all this is that I think, like, all you hear lately and I agree, is that the mainstream media is not really a

reliable source of truth anymore. They're not objective. They're just not objective. I don't like Trump, but I will admit that the New York liberal media, who I rarely agree with anyway, has been him a fucking—I mean, he's his own worst enemy, of course. But there's no question that a lot of it's either bought off or influenced by its owners and influenced by the fact that it has to be entertaining to compete for ratings. But it's also not objective. When I was watching Hannity on Fox News, he wouldn't even let this woman get her point of view out about Hillary.

I mean, he just kept interrupting. Yeah, it's not about a discussion. It's about pushing an agenda. Exactly. And I think what's going to happen and what is happening is you have things like Viceland and different independent movements that are saying, you know what, let's get integrity back into journalism because it's very needed. And let's get out there and get real stories that are going to take guts. And let's do some real investigative journaling.

I think there will always be a marketplace for that. We want to know the truth. We want the truth. You're not going to be able to fool people. I know that Fox News and CNN give a lot of news to a lot of people, but I think as they continue to discredit themselves with certain behaviors, people are going to be looking for more vice. Well, they can't fall back on that anymore because they're the purveyors of truth.

You are the only ones. You're they're the purveyors of truth. You are the only ones. You're the only world purveyors of truth. CNN, Fox News, NBC, ABC, CBS, the big ones, everybody that's putting out these gigantic shows that are being viewed by millions of people. There's a small handful of you. And if you're full of shit, it's a giant problem. So if you're full of shit, it doesn't matter all the good stuff that you do. It doesn't really matter because you're fucking us. And I watched Fox News and I watched CNN the other day and I'm going back and Forth between the two of them and I would just watch one for an hour and then watch what the other for now

One of them just wants to talk about nothing but sexual assault and they were talking about how important it is that we we don't Use certain language in the workplace and And Don Lemon was telling people, I've had to check people. I've had to check people in my personal life. Isn't that amazing? They're just talking about gender. It's all about sexual assault. But look, the sexual assault allegations and everything,

they're all serious, right? You don't want a guy who's a sexual assault attacker who is in the White House. You don't want that. Nobody wants that, right? But it's also important that you look at all the fucking corruption that's been shown about the democratic party about what they did to keep bernie sanders out the way they they conspired well hillary clinton i mean and that

clinton foundation i mean there's the list of grievances and corruption has been well documented as a mile long it's almost like if i was hillary clinton and i knew that i had like there's a lot of dirt on me like god damn i did some shady shit now the internet's starting to uh expose my financial dealings and these 250 000 speeches that she'd get to you know what i'd like to run against someone who is so fucking terrible someone's a horrible person. And just like, maybe I could get Donald to like do me a solid.

And Donald's like, oh, I'll play it up. I'll get big. I'll pussy grab it. I'll say a bunch of crazy shit. We'll leak some tapes. Well, it's not that far fetched almost, you know,

talk about a conspiracy. Well, he was a Democrat. You know that, right? Yeah. Donald Trump used to be, I believe that's the case. Well, I don't think Donald Trump was anything but Donald Trumpian. I mean, I don't think that

Donald Trump has an ideology or a philosophy because that would require, oh, he does, he has an ideology and philosophy in terms of what he can see and what he has experienced and felt. But if you think Donald Trump actually has a philosophy and an ideology that was based on him sort of really thinking and reading and stepping outside himself, reaching beyond himself, you're out of your mind. That's my problem with Donald Trump. That's my problem. Go to Morgan Murphy's Instagram page.

Morgan Murphy put this thing up today. She's hilarious. She put this thing up today about's hilarious she put this thing up today about uh donald trump debating a scientist put this up oh it's it's he's just such a character like there's never been a character like this running for president i'm so torn like watch this go full full screen and press play so we can hear it. The light moves with a certain velocity. If you take the various constants that appear in Maxwell's equations and put them together in the right way, you get the velocity of waves moving down in axis.

That's actually genius. But here's, look at his facial expressions. Yeah. That's actually genius. But here's, look at his facial expressions. This is why I start feeling like life is fiction. Because his facial expressions are literally what you would see in a Dr. Seuss book. Like, look, he pulls his chin in tight.

Look at that. I don't mind any of that. I actually find him, see, all of that stuff that people talk about, I think to me is so of of minimal importance believe it or not so much of what he does is actually entertaining and stuff like that he talks rough he teases he's insulting if the guy was really up on issues if the guy if there was any any evidence he took advice just taking advice he. He can't take advice. He didn't even prepare for the debates at all. You could see it. He's just so off the cuff and so instinctual.

And I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest. And I mean this. I really mean this. I think there's cheating going on. And she's crooked. And I'll grab her pussy. Someone needs to explain to him economy of words. It's super important when you're trying to get to him economy of words it's super important but he doesn't know

to get to a position of like being a leader like like she's really good at that yeah her economy of words is excellent that's how her brain is organized his brain is not organized that way his brain is organized to be impulsive to be reactive if you had to draw a picture of his brain like a side view of his brain yeah how what percentage of it would just say grab the pussy inside of it you know if you had to break it up like wisdom health like what he's thinking about i think that grab the pussy would be much smaller than the the part of the brain that just said me you know that's my yeah he was a democrat from 2001 to 2008 in 2008 he gave he endorsed John McCain for president.

He gave to Hillary Clinton's campaign. But he was also, as a real estate developer, he gave to whatever political party was going to get him the tax breaks he needed or give him the favors he needed. That's really what you do. I was secretly hoping that he was doing all this asshole stuff running to get the Republican nomination. And once you've got the Republican nomination, he would just completely Aikido the whole thing and, and tell, you know, Hillary, look, I'm, I'm going to be as reasonable and rational as possible. And I don't want to insult you. And I don't want to pretend that things are any worse than they really are. But I believe you're part of a systemically corrupt system.

And I wanted to just get to this position so that I once now I'm here. Yeah. Now I can just tell you how I really feel. But I feel like the system is broken. It is. And it's crazy. It's crazy that we stick to it because we could definitely come up with a better one. But we stick to it because it's old.

Well, also, though, I see I don't begrudge I don't like when people insult Trump voters. And I'll tell you why. I think there are a lot of Trump voters that might be ignorant or not interested in, you know, but I think it's unfair. I think it's unfair to categorize somebody who wants to vote for Trump or not vote for Hillary. I think it's very unfair and condescending to consider them to be dumb or rednecks. I think the problem with that is this.

Hillary Clinton is talking in very much the same way and along the same parallels that Obama did eight years ago. If you are a working class dude, if you are somebody who has been left behind through globalization and through, I guess, just how the country is moving technology. So if you're a coal miner, if you're, I don't know, there are a lot of industries. You are listening to this woman speak exactly the way Obama did eight years ago, and your life has gotten worse, hasn't gotten better, it's gotten worse. Why in the world would you not, why in the world would, out of desperation, would you not try this very entertaining, giant white guy who's got confidence, who wants to break Washington apart, and who's saying, I'm going to make Washington, I mean, America great again.

That appeals to our emotions. And I don't think, and I do a lot of reading and stuff, I don't think I would necessarily be that different if I didn't know what else. If you take acting and stand up away from me or whatever, what am I going to do?

Teach? I don't know what I'd do. Either way, I'd be pretty desperate for a change and I wouldn't be voting for Hillary. But don't you think there's a giant issue

in deciding that you're going to vote for someone who says they're going to go after someone and lock them in jail. That's what a dictator does. They're going to set a special prosecutor on her. Because if I was president, you'd be in jail.

But that's how a dictator. She's baiting him. That's how a dictator. Dictators, what do they always do? When dictators come to power, their opposition gets locked up or killed. But correct me if I'm wrong. The president doesn't have the power to do that, right? Does he have the power to start some special investigation on her?

The short answer is yes. The president can appoint an attorney general from the Justice Department, his own attorney general, I believe, to investigate a special case. He could technically do that. Wow, doesn't that seem fucked? She could do that to him, too, by the way, right? It's much deeper than that, because Donald Trump will say things like this. If I told the generals what to do, they would do it.

And I've always said we should just go in and take the oil. Are you paraphrasing him? I'm not paraphrasing that. He actually said that? He said if I told them what to do, they'd do it. In other words, I know how to run the military, unlike these people. He's had five deferments. This is what I'm saying.

As a dictator, if he was in charge, he doesn't even know how that works. But he really said that. That's what my point is. Yes. He said many things like that. That's a crazy thing. He's such an obvious megalomaniac, such an obvious demagogue. And I don't, and you're talking to a guy, I don't like Hillary at all. I think she's more of the same, yes, but I think she's a corrupt human being.

There are a lot of examples of that. However, I'm not as uncharitable to say that I think she's, I don't think she's evil. I think she has a vision for the world. I think she was, in her mind, she believes she knows what's best for the country. But there's a difference because I think she's willing to take big shortcuts to gain influence and always has in her career. And that's a problem. Big shortcuts like what? Like what kind of big shortcuts? Using influence, using political influence to get what she wants. When. I mean, if you look at the people that Clinton pardoned, I mean, that pardon scandal was the craziest thing in the world. Who did he pardon?

Frank Rich. Take a look at the list. Frank Rich, Hillary wanted to run for Senate in New York, and he needed certain counties. And he needed a large, I hasidic jewish vote and he pardoned some guy in a rabbi or somebody in there that it was such a blip literally i remember the democratic someone i think maybe it was one of the democratic pundits who said i don't know how you defend this it's just so obvious that he's trying to buy his wife votes that he's trying to buy influence and that was that's well documented i don't think a lot of Democrats would disagree

with that you know look it up look up the uranium deal who through Bill Clinton's influence this Canadian businessman bought the Kazakh oil uranium fields well let's go one scandal at a time yeah the first one did you find the first one yeah the pard Yeah. Is that the guy's name? Mark Rich. Look at the pardons. I've looked at this guy up before. I think he was going to go down as, at the time, largest tax evasion.

Oh, that's right. Living in Switzerland. At the time, Rudy Giuliani was prosecuting him. Oh, wow. His thing's right here in the middle. Yeah. Hmm. Fugitive.

It's a little hard to read, I guess. He was a fugitive who had fled the U. the US during his prosecution and was residing in Switzerland he owed 48 million dollars in taxes and was charged with 51 cases accounts of tax fraud was pardoned for tax evasion he was required to pay a 1 million dollar fine and waive any use

of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton Library and Mrs. Clinton's Senate campaign. What a surprise that Mark Rich, who lives in Switzerland, and you're going to give him a pardon. Do you think they're connected?

It was so blatant, it was ridiculous. But you can keep going with the pardons. There are a lot of examples of that. So to call Hillary Clinton not corrupt, the Uranium One deal, go ahead and look that up. What's that? What's Uranium One? Well, a Canadian businessman bought the Kazakh in Kazakhstan. It used to be a part of the Soviet Union.

Uranium fields, some huge uranium fields fields i think some of the biggest in the world uranium which you use to make nuclear weapons oh shit and bill clinton helped his with his influence a well-documented influence helped this canadian businessman buy those uranium fields but here's the problem that That Canadian businessman gave $31 million to the Clinton Foundation with a pledge for $100 million more, and he gave Clinton a $500,000 check for speaking, for a speech. $500,000. for the Kazakh oil fields to be sold to a Russian company, a Russian company that the State Department and everybody else in our intelligence community said, guys, the Soviets are going to have a lot of access to uranium,

some of the biggest reserves in the world, and this Canadian businessman is going to sell it to a Russian company. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State at the time, and she okayed that deal. She was one of the people that had to give her okay. Uh, so now the Russians own a lot of that, a lot of those oil fields. Oh, and by the way, look up the Russian, the U S Russian technology initiative, where one of the, one of the movements is to have Russian citizens and Russian, you know, American citizens

share technology, share technology and technological sort of ideas and stuff. The problem with that is that that requires American investors. 28 of them were chosen, were chosen. 60% were, I'm sorry, and Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of was was spearheading that uh of the 28 u.s partners that invested 60 gave to the clinton foundation now come on now come on this is blatant stuff so we have to look at that you can't look look what a great picture they got of her could she look more guilty the it says report r Russian government initiative gave millions of dollars to Clinton Foundation. And what is that on? While Clinton was serving as Secretary of State.

You don't think she knew that? What's the website that's on? Freebeacon.com. Freebeacon.com. It was in the Wall Street Journal. It's been well documented. What a great photo. This is not conspiracy stuff.

This is every major publication in the world knows this and concurs along the same lines. The same story. It's the same story. They could print the same story. It's not like this. But what do they do with the money? What does the charity do with the money? Because here's the question.

She just recently got some crazy award. The charity, the Clinton Foundation, received some highest accreditation. It's a very good question. First of all, be careful of those accreditations. Foundations have always been notoriously corrupted in every aspect, including getting high ratings. But there is no doubt that the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good for children with AIDS overseas,

for, I think, things like malaria, malaria nets. I think they even work maybe with the gates foundation they do a lot of good stuff now there are a lot of reporters have written about how it's a slush fund how it's used for other things i don't know anything about that and i don't begrudge explain slush fund how does this would that mean they would take the money from there and use it for their own game look up slush fund i can give you an i can give you a definition but for the most part it's um a slush fund typically would be a place to put money that under the under certain auspices is said for this but it's

actually used for other things a reserve of money used for illicit purposes, especially political bribery. Yes. But what you say is, oh, this money is for curing this disease, but it's used for other things. I think that might be unfair to say that the Clinton Foundation is a slush fund. That's what journalists, especially conservative newspapers like Wall Street Journal will say. Of course. Yeah. Right. Of course you're going to do that. I mean, what I was going to say earlier about tuning back and forth between CNN

and Fox news, it was one of the best examples I've ever seen of the fact that they, these guys are playing a game and this is just the propaganda news network. Now this is a propaganda news network for the left is a propaganda news network for the right. And they're both guilty. They're both guilty of it. No one's being honest about it. No one's having this conversation that we're having where we're saying, look, maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to get someone in there who's some crazy rich guy who's this gigantic figure that'll stir things up. Like maybe like having a guy like him would be a doorway to having someone who has like some next level view of running government and

including people in the process and moving it away from this. The system's too restrictive and it's too restrictive based on the times in which it was creative. The representative government model that they needed in 1776, it's a very different world today. It's 2016. I don't know. I think that that the bigger culprit May be less systemic like you're talking about I actually think the bigger culprit is the wrong ideas are starting to win the day and here's what I mean

If you let's just take the left, let's just take the hysterical left and I think by the way, I'm I'm More of a libertarian so so that would make me maybe swing to the right. We're both pretty left on a lot of stuff. Exactly. I was about to categorize. See, that's the problem is these categories. These categories are fucking stupid, too.

I'm super left on almost every social issue on welfare on government programs to help communities and boys clubs and girls clubs and things along those lines you're making my point for me exactly so when i say left what do i really mean when i say i'm a libertarian what do i mean by that because i'm not a total libertarian right so here's a better way it's exactly what i'm trying to say. Here's a much better way of establishing sort of where you stand. And rather than say, these people over here are wrong and these people over here are right, or these people are left or right,

what you're doing is categorizing people. And we know that people are all over the place. Look at you and I. I'm left this way. I'm socially very liberal. I believe in fair play. I also believe in common sense. I also believe in personal responsibility. That's where it gets weird. You start moving right. Isn't that

interesting? Well, that's what happens, but that's called, that's called being occupying the entire intellectual and emotional spectrum as a human being. What a surprise. I'm a sinner and I'm a saint motherfucker. And a lot of times I'm a joker and a smoker and a smoker as well. motherfucker and a lot of times i'm a joker and a smoker and a joker and a smoker as well midnight toker i'm a midnight toker sometimes if i want to sleep fuck no i stand i i set my heels and i fucking drive steve and i bite my own fucking tongue whoa easy but here's the here's a here's a better way here's a here's the enemy not a person here's the enemy it's this a one example it's this thought process we have a disenfranchised group over here. Let's call them transsexuals, or let's call them black people, or let's call them women.

I can't believe you lumped all those three people together. Well, we do this. Let's just take the fact that women are victims of sexual assault. All right. Okay. We've established that sexual assault is, first first let's define what it is but we know that for the most part it's a problem and it's a terrible thing when it happens right i'm talking about rape now um there's there's a we know we want to solve that or make it better

or make women safer or make the world safer i i think what happens is a lot of times one group the one thought process in solving that problem is as follows. Well, let's find out who's doing the raping. It's men. It's men. So what we're going to do

is make it better because the way we're going to make it better is we're going to take the power away from those men. And we're going to give it somewhere else. And how are we going to do that? Well, there's only one way to do it. You need a big, big powerful authority to actually be able to enforce that.

You need laws and you need regulations and you need restrictions. So the idea that you will make someone else who's not powerful more powerful by putting down people that are already powerful, by taking that power away from them financially or with laws, as if that is going to make the people who have been oppressed, it's going to make their lives better. I think that's a faulty way of thinking. I don't think that empowers women.

I don't think that empowers black people. I don't think that empowers women. I don't think that empowers black people. I don't. I think rather personal responsibility and making it so that that group can figure out how to empower themselves. And the way you empower yourself is not by taking power from somebody else. I mean, unless they're a sadist and they're keeping you in a cage. But for the most part, I think that's a very important distinction and discussion to have.

That's the discussion. That's the debate I'd love to hear between CNN and Fox, but I don't. I also think there's a big problem with this right and left system in that you pick a side and you want that side to win. And it's almost like a civil war in America

every time the fucking elections come up and i think it's bogus i think the whole setup is bogus i think the distinction between the two groups is bogus and i think we're so used to having teams compete against teams that we slide right into it i think what we really should be worried about is who's you know there should be like a set of things that we're all worried about all right who is? ruining the party Who's who's who's who's doing terrible things? Who are they is it people that are robbing people is it people that are selling meth is it people that are murdering people?

Who's doing all who's ruining the party okay? Well first we got to find them We might see it might be the people that are driving the narrative This is should be the this should be the entire focus of a culture. Okay, second of all, where are the weak links in our chains? Like, how are these poor people supposed to get by? How are they, they're born into poverty, they're born into shitty parents. Like, how do we fucking nip that in the bud so we have less people that are just suffering through the emotional baggage of being raised by fuckheads? But there are different schools of thought on that, right?

So that's what happens. Yeah, there are different schools of thought, but let me keep going. And then why the fuck would we fight Russia? Why are we in Afghanistan? Why would anybody do any of these things? At what point in time is it going to be ridiculous for the idea of giant groups of people to go over and try to fuck up other giant groups of people that are all in on it together for the profits of some person who probably doesn't give a fuck about you and is super happy to let you go to war for them so they can get more oil the same reason people argue the same people people the reason people have different points of view the two party thing it's the two team thing it's the the natural inclination that people have to compete

against each other even on a global scale it keeps ramping up i'm sure it works that way with like billionaires. They want to have the biggest yacht. Having a giant yacht's not good enough. They want the biggest yacht ever. And they keep competing against each other. Isn't that the human condition, that conflict, that need to impose your own mark? I don't know if you would ever.

If you try to change that, you're you're messing with human things the problem is With having anyone being a figurehead I think once you have someone who's a figurehead and that figurehead position becomes a coveted position It's hard to get to it's very important It becomes a goal and once it becomes a goal you're gonna get the super competitive people that are trying to achieve that goal And then along the way they start realizing that they can sell influence and speeches and that Bill Clinton got paid half a million bucks to talk to these people for an hour and Hillary Clinton got $250,000 to talk to some bankers for an hour.

It's like there's so much money in it that they start realizing that position carries with it an incredible fiscal windfall. It's called an economy of influence. Yeah, it's an amazing one. Do you know how Switzerland is ruled? It's really interesting. How do they do it? So they have a lot of different parties.

A lot of different parties. Right. And the first three parties that win are voted in. They get to choose two presidents each. Whoa. And then the fourth party, the party that comes in fourth place with the fourth number of votes, they get to elect one president. So you actually have seven presidents.

Way better idea. And not only do you have seven presidents, they all have regular jobs. It's not their only job. And so they meet and they discuss legislation. But guess what else? Those groups are the ones, those parties are the ones that elect their own presidents. Yeah, but what do they have to worry about? Oh, someone's invading to steal our cheese and our army knives.

What's the great quote? Who was it who said it? 500 years of continual warfare in Italy gave rise to the Renaissance. And 500 years of relative peace in Switzerland gave rise to the cuckoo clock. They're a beautiful clock. Their chicks are hot. Why build things when you can just fuck all the girls that live there? Because they're just super hot.

Well, does turmoil... Or does turmoil create beauty? Maybe. What is innovation? It's a form of destruction. What is beauty? What's more beautiful? A peaceful day just overlooking a field or the Vatican? I have an answer.

I bet you're wrong. Well, do you know how the Greeks define it? I bet you're wrong. You know how the Greeks define it in one word? I bet you're wrong. Jamie, do you know how to, I bet you're fucking wrong. What are you, hey, your breath is starting to smell like Trump. What does Trump's breath smell like if you had to guess?

Fucking meat and- For sure. There's a lot of filet mignon. I think just, just meat and oppression and depression and a wasp and a wasp flies out and stings you in the face once. I don't know. I bet.

You know what? You know what the irony is? I guarantee you'd be a fun guy to hang out with. I bet he's a fucking blast. For sure. For sure. He is. He'd probably be one of my favorite people,

even though Jeff Ross said he was great when they, they roasted him. Said he was great. He'd probably be one of my favorite people, even though he's a complete narcissist. Jeff Ross said he was great when they roasted him. He said he was great. He said he even advised him to laugh at the jokes about him. And he's like, you know, it's probably better if you laugh along. You don't want people to think you don't have a sense of humor. And he's like, you're right, you're right. That's great. That's great.

That's great. I mean, he's a great American figure. Say what you will. Well, he's a, I wouldn't say great in terms of like the overall influence that he's having on people right now. But as far as him being a great figure in terms of like big, he's a huge historical figure. He had his own airline for a while.

It's not just that. He's always been this figure and this figure and this sort of symbol of wealth. But he's also revitalized a lot of political discussion. Because I was forced to explain and articulate and think about why he's dangerous. I was forced to look up words like demagogue. I didn't have to look that up, ladies and gentlemen. You know what I mean. But I was forced to do all these things. And that in a way is good. I mean, that in a way,

you got to have somebody you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, I can't afford to be to not be politically committed right now. And here's another reason I don't like Hillary, the uranium one deal. And here's the other reason I don't like Trump, at least it got me thinking and talking, we're all talking about it. And younger people who listen to podcasts like this are at least listening. Maybe they agree. Maybe they don't. And hopefully both so that they can then formulate their own opinion. Eddie Bravo thinks we're going to war with Russia.

All right, Eddie. Well, Eddie's done a lot of investigative journalism. The big fear in the conservative, excuse me, conspiracy theory world is, this has been explained to me, that they think that they're going to start a war with Russia to distract us from the WikiLeaks. That's fucking hilarious to me. WikiLeaks revelations. Okay. Because there's new ones that are coming out apparently. New WikiLeaks stuff's coming out.

And as if people don't have enemies, everybody's an enemy in government. Wait, you didn't answer my question. They cut Julian Assange's internet connection What question was that? How do you define beauty? That's one word? Oh, what is it? It's what the Greeks say rambled for an hour forgot what the fuck you suck. I did didn't I? You ready for it yeah, go ahead, and this is how you define beauty. How? Harmony. Hmm. Interesting. So when you see a cheetah running, why is it beautiful? All moving parts, all the parts are moving.

Yeah, but if it's running at you, it's not beautiful. It's horrible. Dude, I get low. It's running at your kid? Fuck you, I get low. What if it's running at your kid? Is that beautiful? That's a good question.

That's a horror show. Beautiful beauty is, without a doubt, as the old expression goes, in the eye of the beholder. Certain people like certain things. Certain people like certain kinds of art that I find disgusting. They love it. They love certain kinds of music. They love certain features on people. They love certain looks as far as clothing goes.

It's whatever the fuck you think it is. If it's beautiful to you, it's ridiculous anyway. Physical beauty in a human being, the difference between a person whose cheeks are this wide like uh you know like five inches wide or seven inches wide that extra two inches can make you look like a fucking weirdo yes symmetry you're talking about symmetry and proportion i'm talking about just the way you look not not that it throws you off because you're looking at the fibonacci sequence of a person like that's what happens when someone gets a nose job. If they have a naturally huge nose and they get that bitch chopped down, something will look weird about their face to you because your brain is used to looking at things in

a very distinct sequence. The Fibonacci sequence, which exists on nautilus shells and sunflower seeds and all these different versions of it in nature. But also you can use that sequence, you can use those measurements to show roughly what a person's facial features would be like. They're all kind of, they sync together. And so when you surgically mess with that.

Yeah, you fuck with the whole outline of your face. That's like when you see someone and their lips are way too big and their mouth is stretched too wide, so you know they've got like fillers and some sort of a a neck job where their face is pulled back you're you're immediately like your math is off on them like you're looking at them you're like my math's off like why is why are your lips so big like this isn't dogs i think will but like i've seen my neighbors do a lot of blow my dog would flip the she'd come out and go, hey, what's going on?

My dog was like, get the fuck away from me. Like my dog immediately knew some shit was wrong with the way she was moving. Oh, but that's someone who's on coke. She was probably aggressive to your dog too when you weren't around. She was probably. Maybe, or she was just talking weird. My dog was like, I don't like this fucking person. Maybe.

But what the fuck we were talking about? We're talking about surgery but we got to something before that harmony and how how beauty is beauty is it's contextual right it's weird how like there's certain things that people just decide are beautiful and there's certain things that are beautiful to certain people that just don't resonate with others at all you know and certain people are into certain looks you know there's guys that are legitimately into morbidly obese women yeah they really enjoy it that's what they're attracted to your podcast would disagree i listened to that podcast and gad said was talking about how even

congenitally he went through a whole litany of reasons why hip to waist ratio and breast size and all that stuff and and uh symmetry and proportion are biological triggers for men and the idea that there isn't a standard of beauty that turns on men in general. So, you know. Brian, that's not what I'm saying. There absolutely is, of course. But there's certainly exceptions. Yes.

There's a giant spectrum. That's why some guys are gay. Right. Because that's where they fall into the spectrum. Their beauty to them, what they're attracted to is men you know and there's going to be certain versions of men that are attracted to all kinds of some guys are attracted to giant women that can carry them around do you remember r crumb i sure do you ever see that documentary yes it was amazing r crumb is great well i knew about him because

our neighbors when I was a kid You know, my parents were hippies. We lived in San Francisco from age 7 to 11 I lived in San Francisco and we had these crazy neighbors He's gay guys My aunt used to smoke pot and go next door and they would go get naked and play bongos together This guy was black as the sky on a moonless night and He would get high as fuck and take all his clothes off.

And he was gay. And his boyfriend, they would live together. And they would all just get naked and play bongos together. My aunt would go down there and get baked with him. But anyway, they had these comic books. They had R. Crumb. And that was the first time I was ever exposed to R. Crumb. And I was like, what a weird guy.

Well, no, they would carry him. Oh, that's right. And they had giant legs and giant asses. They looked like Avatar women. Like, they didn't even look like they were real. Powerful.

Huge. So he was into like, see, like, he's got this, all this power illuminating off this woman's giant legs. And she looks like

what you would see today, like from some crazy mega CrossFit type chick. Yeah. Like, they're big, muscular legs. That was what he was into for wonder though i wonder if though those kinds of examples are um first of all i wonder i think everybody though regardless of what your aberration your perversion your fetish is whatever you want to call the word. I think, though, that that still doesn't mean that they don't and can't recognize what would

be considered harmonious. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. Obviously, he keeps drawing photos of these girls with giant legs and giant muscles. And it says, back that off a little so I can read the photo, how to have fun with a strong girl. Amazing. I stand before her trembling with anticipation as she struts and prances around the room, boldly displaying her magnificent physique.

She's full of narcissistic pride and is obviously enjoying the effect she's having on me. And it's him, R. Crumb, who's this real nerdy looking guy. And he's got boxer shorts on with a boner and socks and his hairy legs. Terrible legs. Really hilarious writing and hilarious artwork. And that was what he was all about. It was all this weird pervert shit. So I got exposed to this stuff when I was like, shit, I guess I was like eight, somewhere

around eight or nine. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Why is this guy into like giant women? Like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And he had a bunch of different like characters that he would draw and and all these weird comic books but you know it's yeah there's a girl had a giant pussy and an asshole but you know it's you know it's really weird her first day in the city i mean this is i i saw this kind of stuff when i was real little okay but how do you explain this

so for me look at all that asshole hair that's amazing such a good piece coming out with his nose in the air yeah um i i don't i don't know what it messes with my head um what is that that's gonna be my next tattoo my first tattoo her first day in the city if you're looking for it google that original r crumb uh what does it say the rest? Snatch. Snatch Comics. Is that the Snatch? So he had a lot of vagina-based art. He's stepping into her vagina, and he's looking around. Yeah. He's looking around, doesn't notice the giant vagina he's about to step into.

He's about to step into it. Gosh, a country-type hood sure get, a country-type could sure get lost around here. And he's about to step into her vagina. She looks like a chicken. She looks um a tunnel here's hoping big city woman oh my god it's a metaphor but here's here's the thing that's confusing i am very attracted to crossfit very muscular women i think that's hot right so i'd love to have a woman that could beat your ass? No, I just like the power in the legs. I like a mesomorph.

Would you like them to underestimate you and you would out-wrestle them? Is that your move? I mean, that has been in the past, but that's less what's interesting. I think when I see a CrossFit woman,

like a woman who's just got a blowout ass and powerful legs and all that and a back on her, maybe I want to breed with her. So maybe primordially I want to breed with her

so my kids are studs, but I just find it physically very attractive when a girl's got an ass like that. Well, you should find Art Crum. He lives in Paris. You two could hang out. You could just jerk off together. Well, hold on, sir.

You could do a drawing. Sir, hold on. Hold on, sir. Because then there's the other side of me that likes a super feminine, petite, curvy woman, and that might be who I'd rather cuddle with and date, whereas the other one I just

want to have animal sex with. And so there's this, I'm kind of pulled. Yeah, welcome to being a man, motherfucker. Why are you making this sound like it's a big, complicated issue? I don't know, man. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Maybe I just like all different kinds of women. You're like coming over here like, this is what I'm into. Like, I like black chicks, I like Asian chicks, and white women. You're like coming over here. This is what I'm into. I like black chicks. My favorite color is red.

I like Asian chicks and white chicks. Maybe there's a problem. You're right. What I'm saying is I'm attracted to everybody. Well, that's part of the problem with being a man is that genetically you're designed to spread them genes around as much as possible to ensure the survival of the race. However, that's not really necessary anymore. We used to die real young. We were

eaten by things left and right. And so we have this fucking insatiable instinct to fuck all the time and get rid of loads and make people. But there's a lot of us now, like we figured it out somewhere along the line, but we still have the genes of people that live 10,000 years ago when your survival, it wasn't guaranteed at all. And it was most likely that something would go wrong. And so the likelihood of you staying alive past 30 or 40 was very low. So there was like a frantic urge to live. I think if we knew that we had way less time and that death was way more common. 14-year-olds would be walking around pregnant.

Yeah. And that's how it is normally. I think we decided somewhere along the line, rightly so, that's not healthy for our species. It's not healthy for our culture. It's not healthy for children to be burdened down by the responsibility of being a parent while they're still trying to figure it out. And they'd probably do a way better job if they waited. So all that stuff is sort of balancing itself out now because people are becoming more and more aware of it so we don't but we're still still in the

same genes so the same fucking caveman genes the genetics have to be like constantly managed by the psyche constantly managed by discipline constantly managed by thinking you know whether it's yelling at somebody in traffic or whether it's all the other ridiculous Male instincts that people have to whether it's to start wars or to kick their ass because they're rooting for the wrong team And all that stuff is it's it's based on like these ancient reward systems that we've got stuck in our Things like excitement people do really weird things Secretly for excitement. Just to get charged up.

Yeah, being naughty. Naughty is a good word. Naughty is... You're on the naughty list, Brian. Naughty is huge because my friend... I was with my buddy one time and this giant woman.

Giant woman. How big? Oh, my God. No, I'm not joking. 300 pounds. Like Gabby Garcia big? Yeah, but curvier. Way more fat on her.

Just a giant woman. Giant tits. I mean, she was every bit of six foot five. Oh my God. I'm not exaggerating. With her shoes off. I'm not kidding. Oh my God.

I'll tell you later. Do you think she could beat your ass? I'll get more detailed with this story later. Do you think she could beat your ass? She could eat me. There's a whole... I mean, I've never seen... But if you had to fight for your life, if you were in a hotel ballroom you got locked in there with her and she's

Coming full clip if she has this is for real if she had no training Maybe I could tire out, but I'd have no the answer is probably not Wow fuck her up. She's Come get some you you she's you're ready You're ready. You get low If a giant woman. I'll tell you right now. There is a giant, there is a size that a woman would hit where you, regardless you, there is that number. How tall and how heavy?

I can't hear this. Just bet on me, dude. Really? I'm going to kick her ass. All right. No woman. If I'm ever getting in a street fight with a 350 pound, six foot five woman. No woman on the planet.

I'm going to kick her ass. So she's there. So she's there and she recognizes me. And I go, oh. I'm kidding, big giant women. Don't try to beat me up. These are just jokes. These are all just silly conversations. If you're a big giant woman, leave me the fuck alone.

Don't hurt me. There's a bunch waiting outside the door. Oh yeah? Motherfucker? She has a beard. Are you sure you're a woman? That's a bunch waiting outside the door. Oh, yeah? Motherfucker? She has a beard. Are you sure you're a woman? That's a dick on you. This dude I know shot an antelope or some animal in Africa that was a hermaphrodite. It was a female antelope with crazy horns, like these crazy antlers that curved in some weird way.

They were actually digging into its head. Wow. It was actually, like, a call animal. They had to put it down because the way its horn was growing, it was, like, literally growing into its head. Ooh. Yeah. Damn.

Damn, that's uncomfortable. Yeah, it was a very weird case. And they also, I guess, they wanted to study its body because they were pretty sure it was a hermaphrodite. Wow. Yeah. That's weird. Fucked weird fuck again all those genetic aberrations happen yeah yeah i was um talking to this woman from south africa recently uh at this party i told you the story about all the kids that um well she grew up in she lived in south africa for a while and it's really funny because um she was talking about mountain lions and how hilarious it is that people are worried about mountain lions. In Africa?

We would have to worry about the real lions. Hippos. Yeah. Water buffaloes. Everything. All the above, man. All the above. But she was talking about kids in Silicon Valley that are having problems dealing with their hyper successful parents and the lack of time and attention that's being paid to them. And there's like a gigantic epidemic of suicides and all kinds of crazy shit.

They're cutting each other. And it was a really disturbing conversation. And she called it what they call well they're calling it affluenza you know that's the the term for young rich kids but the thing is like nobody cares like they didn't ask to be rich but we blame them for being rich so like you don't look at a young rich kid as like a young kid with problems you go oh poor rich baby right you know like that somehow or another the money that these kids have and they you know they're 16 they have a fucking fresh bmw the another the money that these kids have me you know

They're 16 they have a fucking fresh BMW the money the money provides connection and love and and and that you mean something to your parents Because it's so unattainable for so many folks money and being rich like one of these kids Seems like well they hit the lottery. I'm supposed to feel bad for them But you don't realize it like they didn't ask for that first First of all, they didn't ask to be born that. And it's not ideal. It's not working out well. You'd be way better off with a happy, healthy parents that were around and went to your sports events and hung out with you and did things with you and, and were there all the time and, and gave you a feeling of comfort while you're growing up. So you can grow up with like a sense of security. Like there's a lot of these kids that're growing up. So you can grow up with a sense of security.

There's a lot of these kids that are growing up, and they are all fucked up because their parents are never around. So you don't feel like you matter. Yeah. In many ways, you feel like you were thrown away. And rampant drug abuse, man. The amount of kids that are doing pain pills today is apparently just off the charts. They're doing Adderall for studying and for examinations, and they're doing pain pills all the time. It's just become

an epidemic with people. They're so fucking easy to get. I know they're trying to curb that. They're trying to make them more difficult to get, but there's still a ton of money that's being pumped into the system from the manufacturers of these as you were talking about before about the use of influence and in politics the company that makes fentanyl is that how you say it i never figured out fentanyl they spent a half of a fucking million dollars on ads in arizona just to try to make medical marijuana illegal try to make it to to do uh ads against them in their recreational. Like, why would they give a fuck? Why are they doing that? Like, why would

the makers of a pill, like, Google that, too, because it's another thing I keep wondering about. How much stronger is that shit than Oxycontin? Because it's much stronger. I thought it was an elephant tranquilizer. Maybe I'm wrong, but is that what they were putting in the heroin and everybody was dying? Okay, so that I think is an elephant tranquilizer. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Is that what they were putting in the heroin and everybody was... Dying. Okay.

That I think is an elephant tranquilizer. Well, fentanyl, whatever it is, I don't know if it's an elephant tranquilizer. They use it on elephants and people, but they definitely use it on people. It's something like 200 times stronger, right? I don't know. We're trying to find that out. I think it's at least... I remember the number 10.

I don't know. We're trying to find that out. I think it's at least, I remember the number 10. Inverse.com looks like an okay story written on it. It says it's 80 times as potent as morphine. Oh my God. There you go. Which is- 80 times.

Hundreds of times the analgesic punch of heroin. Whoa. Jesus. So there you go. Yeah. That's got to be good for you. Yeah. Well, this is what people are dropping debt off.

Yeah. And the company that makes that shit is trying to put out ads or pay for the campaign against marijuana being recreationally legal, which is just fucking crazy. It's crazy. You know, I know that they think that they're going to lose profit from marijuana being legal, So I know that they're acting out of a business purpose. That's just what businesses do. But you just expect them on something that's so fucking important culturally and such an important precedent. legal that is such a damaging position to take and if you get away with it today by the time people examine this and by the time it's looked back on five ten years from now whatever it is you're going to look preposterous that you spent any money to try to make marijuana illegal there's no reason there's no reason why anyone should step in and try to make it illegal? It's the will of the people, and there's no medical evidence whatsoever that shows that it's even remotely as dangerous as a million different things that are already legal.

But that's, see, that's another, that's sort of another example of what I was talking about before, which is that you can try to legislate and pass laws and enforce sort of your view of reality of what you think is good for people. But what's, it seems to me a better way to go is to win the idea. The idea that marijuana is not as destructive, for example, in many ways, I'm not an expert, but in many ways to say alcohol, which is legal. Well, you don't even have to say I'm not an expert. That's an absolutely scientifically proven fact but that but that took time to not only be sort of enough experiment just in real life in real time started to prove that to be true but then that

idea and that experiment had to dissipate into the national or international collective conscience. Well, a big part of that was because of Richard Nixon. You know, Richard Nixon funded study. They put studies together to try to find out what are the bad things about marijuana. They couldn't find anything. No, this was way before that. Reef for Madness was in the 1930s. The shit that Nixon did.

Nixon passed the Sweeping Psychedelic Act of 1970. That made everything Schedule I. It was DMT and mushrooms and all that shit. I didn't know Nixon did that. Yeah the sweeping Psychedelic Act of 1970. That made everything Schedule I. There was DMT and mushrooms and all that shit. I didn't know Nixon did that. Yeah, it was during his administration. And they also, one of the things they did was they did these studies on marijuana, trying to find things that were bad. They couldn't. Those damn hippies. And when the studies

came up with favorable results, they buried them. And this has also been proven fact. So this is shit they knew for a long fucking time. It's just a team thing. It's going back to that same thing again. There's pro and con. There's right and left. And even along this marijuana thing, there's a bunch of people that are scrambling to try to keep it illegal as long as possible so that it continues their profits with painkillers.

Painkillers are worried that if marijuana becomes legal if marijuana especially edible marijuana which is incredibly potent but doesn't have any of the fucking downsides doesn't have any of the negative effects no one's dying from it which is the biggest one right and it's been shown to help so many people with seizures so many different diseases people that have AIDS people that are in chemotherapy. There's hundreds and hundreds of different things that it's been shown to help with. People with glaucoma, what is that for the ocular pressure, intraocular pressure relieves that.

It's amazing for inflammation, for people that have back problems and all sorts of other issues regarding pain and inflammatory issues that people have. But the things that would profit from keeping it illegal are the same things that are killing people. And the idea that they're allowed to do that and that no one steps in and no politicians talk about it being a huge evil and a real problem, it's one of the things that's left completely off the debate. It's not to diminish sexual assault, because obviously that's really important.

It's not to diminish bribery. Obviously that's really important, and all this pay-to-play stuff, and all these accusations of corruption on both sides. It's all very important, but, man, so's that. Well, that is, and also learning how to distinguish, and learning how to distinguish what you should label, for example, a psychedelic or – well, not just that. But sometimes I wonder if when you call for the legalization of marijuana, which I would do, of course, and I've always said that ultimately it's all about letting people make their own choices. But I wonder if it's important to distinguish between drugs. Do you think that heroin and cocaine should also be legal?

I think as an adult, as you, Brian Callen, the idea that me, as me, Joe Rogan, could tell you you can't do heroin is preposterous. Who the fuck am I? Who am I to tell you? Well, you can do it under a doctorosterous. Who the fuck am I? Right. Who am I to tell you? Well, you can do it under a doctor's supervision or you could do morphine. You have to have a morphine drip and you have a button, you press it, the morphine goes

into your bloodstream. Man, I don't know. All I know is a lot of fucking people are dying from pain pills and politicians never discuss it. And heroin. Why don't they talk about it? Just stop and think about it. Is the big issue a one super rich guy who's a pussy grabber?

Or is the big issue half a million people dying from cigarettes in this country alone every year? Is that an issue? How come that issue isn't discussed? What if there was something else that was killing half a million people a year? Wouldn't we freak out? I agree 100%. What if there was some new sport? What if parkour was clamming a half a million kids every year?

What if there was some new sport? What if parkour was clamming a half a million kids every year? Are you saying there are bigger, more challenging issues than a guy who is a groper? I think that guy who's a groper, I think it's terrible to be a groper. I think it's certainly something that should be discussed. That's not the problem. The problem is they're not discussing this other thing. They're not discussing how many fucking people are hooked on painkillers. It's a giant, massive epidemic.

And the idea that the same people that are selling those painkillers are actively working to make sure that marijuana stays illegal. It lets you know that you're in a crazy system when the protectors and the politicians don't bring that up at all. Because who's driving the narrative? Think about who's driving. Think about who's driving the narrative. But the people who are driving the narrative in the, who are driving driving the narrative in the for example in the lib in in uh like the new york liberal media right that is why

is academics why are academics and why is academia why is that driving the narrative on everything from gender to even social issues why why do i because they don't live in the real world we assume they're the smarter ones but they're they have theoretical knowledge and i think there's a place for academics and i think there's a obvious place for a strong intellectual energy but my god there's nothing there's no group more intolerant to new ideas in many ways wait i don't know about that i would say religious people are far more intolerant than academics i would think that academics on the whole would probably be very tolerant depends they just lean left They just lean left. They just lean left almost

exclusively, except when it comes to economic people. I don't think they're tolerant at all. In what way? I think they suffer from collective madness, in fact. Well, gender mania. Look at this. Let's take Trump. I actually resent the fact that, first of all,

obviously, I've never been a fan of this, guys, but I resent the fact that, first of all, obviously I've never been a fan of this, guys, but I resent the fact that people seem to be equating, equating, groping, and even, even kissing somebody or talking about it as rape, sexual assault. Well, to an unwanted woman. Hold on a second. To a woman who doesn't want it. If he comes up and grabs you on the pussy, that is sexual assault. I would agree with that. Right.

But that is one of the accusations, right? Well, I want to distinguish between what is that sexual misconduct? Is it sexual assault? Well, it depends. If a girl loves it, then it's neither. Like if she pulls her panties to the side and like goes, oh, daddy, go get it. And like, woo, you found a freak. Right.

You know, but you take a big fucking chance when you just grab the pussy. She probably asked. Well, you're an asshole. She probably just said, hey, I'm thinking about grabbing your pussy. What do you think? You want to think about it for a while? I'll be out here waiting. Right.

You got to give her time too. And not under pressure. You don't want to be looming over. it for a while? I'll be out here waiting. Right. You got to give her time too. And not under pressure. You don't want to be looming over. He's a big guy. It's like cast a large shadow. No, but I think these, these are really important distinctions because otherwise people that are a woman who's held down, let's just take a terrible example. A woman, a stranger breaks into her house, holds her down and rapes her.

Right. We would all agree that that is, that is fucking horrifying. Right. And if you found the guy it'd be hard not to kill the guy and all that stuff right but but let's make you have let's make a distinction ready ready a big bully uh a guy like trump comes up grabs you and and and puts his fingers in your mouth that's pretty that's pretty invasive it's hot that's fucking invasive no and and you're and you work for the, and you're scared to lose your job,

and he grabs you, and he puts his fingers in your mouth, and he goes, come on, baby, give me a kiss. And because you're so afraid and so overwhelmed, you don't know what to do, and he starts kissing you, and you're like, oh, Jesus, let this be over with. I'm sure that's happened one million times in life with women. This is why women, when they see that shit, they go, I've met a guy like that.

I've met 10 guys like that. And that's why the reaction for women is like, fuck guy he's gonna fall by 14 points however let's as as citizens and in this discussion in the law you have to make a distinction even the media because if you start calling that rape or if you start calling that sexual assault versus i don't know sexual misconduct or i don't know what the words are. But wait, hold on a second. If somebody grabs you and kisses you and you don't want them to do that, I mean, that is, it is a form of assault. It's not assault like punching you in the face. Right.

But it should be illegal to hold you and detain you and like enforce a kiss on you. Like you're violating that person's physical space. Exactly. and force a kiss on you, you're violating that person's physical space. You're violating their humanity because you're choosing to enforce your wants and needs over what they want. Would you equate that with- Here's the problem. Fucking you know and I know that there have been times in people's lives when someone has grabbed a woman and kissed her and she loved it and they wound up getting married and having kids. Yes. You never fucking know.

Who the hell knows? I mean, no one wants sexual assault, right? loved it and they wound up getting married and having kids. Yes. You never fucking know. Who the hell knows? Right. I mean, like, no one wants sexual assault, right? No one wants anyone to have anything done to them against their will. No one does that's rational or kind in any way, shape, or form. But we all know there's crazy moments in life. Right. You know?

There's weird things happen with people. People have had sex without saying a word to each other. Dan Bilzerian was just talking about it the other day. Sure. He met some girl in Paris. He purposely went out of his way to not say a word, see if he could do it, and had sex without saying a word to each other. Dan Bilzerian was just talking about it the other day. Sure. He met some girl in Paris. He purposely went out of his way to not say a word, see if he could do it, and had sex with a girl. Right. There's no consent there.

It's just implied consent based on physical movement. So, in other words, that's confusing. But my point is, yes, but my point is, you shouldn't compare worst versions of rape and say that this version of what you would call sexual assault is not that big of a deal. No, not that. But you're kind of saying that. No, no, no. By saying that you're calling it, but you're diminishing the horribleness of the other people's experiences by actually getting physically raped and with a knife to their neck and getting fucked by a group of guys. I'm saying there has to be a difference, right?

There is a difference. The physical action is different in every single one. I mean, it's different in a girl gets pulled over and a cop makes her suck his dick, you know, to get out of a ticket. That's rape, though. People have done that, right? Yeah. That's a different thing than a girl who grabs her male employee's dick all the time.

I mean, that's unwanted and he doesn't want to lose his job, but that's not as threatening. How about this? There's a bunch of different experiences, is my point. Yeah. Like, anyone who's been grabbed, that doesn't mean that, I mean, by saying that it's not as bad as getting raped. That's like saying, yeah, of course,

it's not as bad as getting raped and murdered. It's not as bad as getting raped and murdered and they make you eat yourself before they kill you. You can keep going and getting worse and worse and worse. What I'm saying is that I feel there's a movement to treat all the perpetrators of that kind of behavior as one. And I think that's what's dangerous. So, for example, you have a guy who meets a girl. She drinks 15 margaritas.

You guys are making out. You're dancing. You go. He follows her. I don't know what happens. Next thing you know, somebody sees her. He's on top of her, making out with her, and he's fingering her. And she's out cold.

She's out cold. She's out cold. Now, hold on. Hold on. Now, in California, that's not considered rape. Somebody had to sit down and go, what's rape? Let's define it. Fingers in the mouth, fingers in the vagina, or penis in the vagina.

We got to make these definitions. Okay. And the law tends to make very strong distinctions, and those distinctions have been thought about and fought over and stuff like that. And then we penalize people accordingly. Okay. Okay? Okay.

However, it seems to me that in, for example, on certain colleges, they now have investigative committee committees, investigative committees who decide whether or not this was sexual assault or whether or not this was rape, where I think actually that should be anytime there's sexual you know assault or rape shouldn't that be the police's job shouldn't that be reported immediately to the police and isn't that is what isn't that their jurisdiction well there's a lot of lawsuits based on that you know the occidental college one you know that one where a guy and a girl were exchanging text messages uh you know she says uh you bringing condoms he says yeah i got condoms okay they're ready to know, she says, you bringing condoms? He says, yeah, I got condoms.

Okay, they're ready to get laid. She texts her friend and says, I'm about to get laid. They have sex and he gets kicked out for sexual assault because he's drunk and she's drunk.

So he gets kicked out of school. She stays in the school and he's the perpetrator. But meanwhile, there's so much evidence that they're both just young kids who got drunk and fucked. There you go. And they're turning it into a crime. His life is ruined But meanwhile, there's so much evidence that they're both just young kids who got drunk and fucked. There you go.

And they're turning it into a crime. And his life is ruined. Well, he's suing the shit out of them, and I hope he gets enough money so he can live in a Jay-Z video for the rest of his life. Fuck them. Right. Look, any goddamn person who has ever been 18 or however old these people were and been away from your parents for the first time and been drunk and hooked up with a girl like you you don't know there's nothing evil going on there this is like two people that want to be together to get together like to call that rape in any way shape or form is that's crazy well how about crazy how about this though but see that i agree with

you but that's so different than pussy grabbing man pussy grabbing and the pushing people up against the wall and kissing them that is way more assaulty see that's so different than pussy grabbing, man. Pussy grabbing and the pushing people up against the wall and kissing them, that is way more assaulty. See, that's way more violation of your physical space. I agree. See, look, if a big guy did that to me, if a big guy just grabbed me and kissed me, I'd be like, oh my God, motherfucker, what do I do? I don't want this guy to kill me.

You know, some giant seven foot tall, 350 pound dude wants to kiss you. That's what it's like if you're a woman and a guy like Trump grabs you. That's right. Now, if you're a dude and you're into having big dudes grab you and kiss you, you're like, fucking bonus. I nailed it today. But I'm saying that there is a movement to, again,

the enemy is there's a movement to lump all behavior under the same sort of dark umbrella. See, I don't think there is, man. I think there's a movement to make people more aware of fucked up behavior like umbrella. See, I don't think there is, man. I think there's a movement to make people more aware of fucked up behavior like that. Well, hold on. How about this?

This is where I think things get crazy. A woman has sex. She gets drunk. She has sex with a guy. And then she speaks to somebody who says, you were drunk? And do you have regrets about it? I have regrets about it.

Well, if you have regrets, then that's rape. Now, somebody says that to her. And then she goes to a committee in her school who does an investigation. And now you're being investigated because this girl has regrets six months later. This is where, in my opinion, madness starts to... This is very scary. It's very scary because now you've got you have mob mentality over there it's all he's hearsay the guy the worst thing you could be branded as a sex criminal my god

ruin your whole fucking life and it's easy to get that distinction right all you have to do is have one person who hates you accuse you of there you go so bam so now what so so i'm just saying we we better start making these distinctions in our minds forget but that's where the white knights will step in and say, what is most important is women's safety. And if I have to be wrongly accused, I had a conversation with a guy who actually said that on a podcast. He said that if he

was wrongly accused, that he would be happier with that than with a woman facing some sort of sexual assault. Which, first of all, as if they're in any way, shape, or form connected. First of all, that goes back to my point. You being wrongly accused means you have a shitty system

and someone lied. That shouldn't be the case at all. That shouldn't be an option. That goes back to my point. You're not going to liberate women by falsely accusing men of rape. Or even worse so, this guy's like signing up to be the diminished party.

Signing up to be the more vulnerable party. It's a lie. I'll take the hit. It's a lie. I'll take the hit. I'm a white knight. Yeah. It is a lie.

And it's not applicable. It's also not happening to him when he's talking about it. Of course not. If it was happening, you'd be freaking out, screaming your innocence from a rooftop, yelling about how you used to be a feminist. I can't believe this is happening to me. Because it's an injustice. Yeah, it is an injustice.

And that's what I mean. But there's a gang of injustices the grabbing and the pussy grabbing that's an injustice too right it's just like what's where's the level and i think one thing as men that it's easy to think of is is it's it's easy to forget that when you're a chick there's there's a whole other element when you're dealing with men. And that element is size, strength, and even though violence is highly unlikely in any workplace scenario, you still feel like your body knows that if the shit went down, Donald Trump could choke you to death. Yeah. Don't you think your body would know that? Not only would your body know that, but women also know.

If he grabbed you, he's bigger than you. You know that, right? Yeah, he is. If he grabbed you and he wanted to kiss you and just grabbed you and kissed you, would that be assault? If it was me? If he grabbed you. You and him alone.

He grabs your package. Yeah. And he shoves his tongue down your throat. He pins you up against the wall. Is that assault? Yeah. I'd beat his ass, though. What if you're hard?

Oh, God. I'm confused. You got me confused what does he smell good does he does he have trump breath i think i think you're totally right about these uh committees uh in campuses and in universities and i also think there's a real problem in telling young kids they're victims when they might not necessarily be victims you know you you enforce this sort of victim mentality and then you get people really hooked on outrage. Getting hooked on outrage as opposed to getting hooked on acceptance and working on your own

self and your own thing and your own issues. But you're also taking power away from women when you do that. So what he's saying is that, okay, so women have to be protected at all costs and that's the most important thing. And I will be there. i will have legislation there i will have committees there and all of us are going to protect women uh on campus and because

they can't protect themselves they can't they can't look out for danger they can't see uh because women most of the time know that what even 100 men are safe there's always one let me stop you there because here's we're going to go back and forth because you and I agree on this. But here's the question. All right. How do you stop campus sexual assault? Now that we know that there's a lot of it where they're trying to stop or getting people in trouble for shit that's not really sexual assault. But we also know that there's a lot of guys that are fucking douchebags.

And guaranteed, someone's going to get drunk. It's happened before. They've caught them on tape or people are passed out. There's a train of dudes out the bedroom. How do you stop people from doing shit like that? That's the real question. It's not like accusing more people because then you're going to get people that are even more frustrated with the opposite sex.

Right. If you find out that guys are getting locked up in jail for doing the exact same thing their girlfriend was, both being drunk and both having sex. and the guy all of a sudden is a sexual predator because he's drunk there are two ways to do it the first is you raise awareness but but the second is you you learn where not to place your energy you learn where not to be pointing your guns because when you do the other when you diminish it was what i just said yeah yeah you you are not making the problem better so we're wasting a lot of time and energy in by by by sort of condemning and going after this angle when we should be like what it goes back to what is that that wonderful saying i don't care what you think it's how you think the what's more important is not what you think

but how you think it's like a woman says, these radical Islamists are bastards, and in my opinion, we should just eradicate all of them. Well, you sound like a Nazi. You're thinking the way the Nazis and ISIS, you're thinking exactly how your enemy and the person you're criticizing is. So it's really methodology here. Hey, you would know this.

This is a good question for you, because somebody wrote this the other day about how when what we call ISIS, when we first started having conflicts in the middle east um after the iraq war it's a sunni and the shia in iraq and then there's all these other groups and factions there's the taliban there's al-qaeda and there's uh boko haram there's all these different factions we sort of kind of lumped them all together and decided they were one big enemy that's a fact.

And I want you to say this like that guy in the drug commercial that's eating the salad. And the guy goes, see, you're saying that if I buy drugs, I support terrorism. That's a fact. So, so, so. F-A-C-T. Fact. I think to draw the distinctions, though, Taliban, what is Talib? It means student.

So if you're a Taliban, you're a student of the quran you know you're a student uh uh al-qaeda al-qaeda means the base loosely translated sort of this is the base this is now is this what they call themselves uh i believe they do yes i think these were these were these are names that were given to themselves and then and then uh book of haram haram in Arabic means bad. Like you say, like in Arabic, a lot of times when something happens, it's bad. You always say, ya haram, you know, like that's fucked up, you know, almost. So Boko Haram is sort of a slang, I believe, loosely translated idea that everything Western is bad. Whoa.

Okay. That's outrageous. And it also- What kind of car do those fucks drive? that everything Western is bad. Whoa. Okay? That's outrageous. Yeah. And it also- What kind of car do those fucks drive? It also happens to be the fact and the case that these are all Islamic movements. But when you say Islamic movements, be careful because what you're really talking about

is puritanical, the notion that there is a puritanical strain. There's only one form of Islam, and that Islam is the Islam that Muhammad the Prophet preached in the, what century is it? The 13th or 15th or whatever it is. So that is, if there's any glue to those groups, it is that they essentially adhere to a very strident puritanical form of Islam with no room for interpretation. There is only right and wrong. And they are willing to resort to what they would consider to be jihad, which the root of which means struggle. But what they consider to be violence is the only option. And Islam must sail in on a sea of blood, because that's the only way it happens so there's all this sort of idea that you know we'll use this how do you fix that so so so so that again what is that that's an idea

it's an ideology you have to kill the bad guys but you also have to win the war place of ideas i mean the battle the battlefield of ideas that's very important not only that when the casualties are so one-sided in terms of like all of it is taking place in one part of the world versus in our part of the world where we're engaging in a completely different spot in the country it it makes martyrs you know it makes a lot of people get excited about joining the cause they they see the imbalance and the conflict they also see they also see though that when they go through istanbul airport and they get into into Syria and they die really quickly. They're starting to realize very quickly that it's also a death sentence.

You don't want to fuck with the Peshmerga. You don't want to fuck with the American special forces. I mean, these guys are just getting... And now the Russians. You're asking for... If you want to join ISIL now, please go ahead. I have a real issue with ISIS and ISIL. They keep changing their name back and forth.

Wasn't it ISI at one point in time? ISIL, ISIS? It just means Islamic State, right? It means the... Too many different... ISIS is stick with one. You're a new band. They want to create a caliphate. They want to create an Islamic State,

which means there are no... Those boundaries, Syria, remember Lebanon, those were British boundaries. Those were created by the British after World War I, in some cases World War II. But for the most part, those are British boundaries. That's so recent. Think about how recent that is, folks. Very recent. It's ridiculous.

It's not even 100 years. It's nothing. I think that the problem with Islamic fundamentalism is not as much a worry because they're not offering anything. Communism had something that lasted, that ideology lasted 70 years. But I think it lasted so long because communism was something that you could kind of, there was a compassionate element to it. You know, don't believe in God, believe in reason, and let's live on communism and all share and be nice to each other. That idea is pretty potent, especially the young people who are trying to figure the world out and who love each other. Bernie Sanders.

Yeah. Goddamn commie, right? Well, he's definitely a socialist. Don't you think if Bernie Sanders stepped in right now, he would win? Like, if he ran as an independent, he'd be like, look, I can't let you people do this. Fuck the Democrats. I'm going independent. You don't need the libertarian. They don, look, I can't let you people do this. Fuck the Democrats. I'm going independent. You don't need the libertarian.

They don't know what they're doing. I can do this. We could figure this out, folks. This is a disaster. He's too old. How dare you? He just looks too old. Step in.

Step in right now. He's got shitty posture. He needs one of those neck things you hang from the doorway. Yeah, he looks too old and he's just too... Please, man. Don't forget about what he looks like. He almost got in. He got real close... Please, man. Forget about what he looks like. He almost got in. He got real close.

Look, man. I think also that Bernie Sanders... How dare you say such horrible things about him? He's such... He's pretty... He's... I just think people... He's not very presidential.

And, you know, the presidency is a symbolic post as well. It's very much a symbolic post. Well, listen to what you just said. He's too old. He's too old looking. He doesn't seem very presidential. That's what the electorate would say.

But why would you say that, though? Well, that's what they... No, I'm saying that's why he wouldn't win. You don't think that if he stepped in now as an independent, that he'd have a real chance, at the very least, he would confuse the fuck out of the system

because there's a giant movement of people that wanted to see him in place. They wanted to see him as a Democratic representative. Yeah, and those people would be super energized if he did step in. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that. Oh, wow. Maybe.

I think for sure. Maybe. I think for sure. I think there's still a giant movement of people out there that love that guy. And love that he seemed to be like a guy who wasn't greedy. He seemed to be a guy who wasn't corrupt. Like, how is this possible? I don't think he is corrupt and I don't think he is greedy.

I don't think he is either. But that's the number one issue with someone like the Clintons. And then the thing is that everybody thinks that that's the only way to do it. Like, the people that support the left, the people that are really into being Democrats, they have this thing that they've sort of resigned themselves to. Hey, this is politics. This is how they do it. This is politics as usual.

When you have an example of a guy like Bernie Sanders, you go, well, it doesn't have to be. Like, look at that guy. Like, that guy didn't do it. How come they have to do this? They have to get that money to speak? They have to do all this shit? They have to talk to the banks?

They have to? Are you sure they have to? Or is it just this is what the people that do the things that you like the most, they also do these things? Is that okay? That's okay for you? Sometimes I think that things start to happen by default. So if you started, let's just say we could kind of scramble everything up and go back to set point zero. I feel like in 30 years, we'd be right back to where we started

like somebody's talking about this factory farming i was talking to a guy who uh has been in the food business forever and i was talking about there's a book called the dorito effect uh about when how food flavoring when scientists figured out how to make a corn chip taste like a taco it kind of changed everything because um we were able to isolate flavors there was a machine that allowed us to because we didn't know why a strawberry tastes like a strawberry or tastes like an orange but um and i had this guy on my podcast on the brian council and and uh the the guy you know writes this book about how food flavoring changed the way we ate and it and it allowed us to take very non-nutritious food and make it nutritious.

I'm trying to figure out how you're going to bring this back to factory farming if we end up now back around there in 30 years. And he was talking about how we need to get back to sort of, you know, family farming and heirloom farming and stuff. But I talked to this guy who was in the food business. He said, you know, the problem with that is that family farms are a great idea. And we do probably need more family farms. But what would happen is probably in 20 years we'd be back to factory farming. I said, what do you mean? He said, well, what happened is that some farms wouldn't be as efficient or they wouldn't be as good. And then another farm is better. And that farm would say,

let me buy you a farm. I do a better job. And then that he'd say, let me buy this farm. And then he'd all of a sudden he'd buy all the farms in this area because he's really good at organization automation and everything else. And that would start to happen. Then a bigger company would come along and say, let me buy all your farms, man. You've got market share here. And I can do this even better because there's a better way to do it. And not only that, keep the prices stable because we're going to have a lot of eggs. So when IHOP, IHOP doesn't have to say, well, today since we only get our eggs from a local source, today the eggs are $5, whereas yesterday they were $3.99.

That's kind of what would happen because it would depend on production, yield, and distribution. And so he was kind of saying, you know, it's nice to think that we need family farming, but chances are with such a huge population that we have to feed the way we do as quickly as we do, we'd probably be back to, hey, we're running out of chickens. Who can make a chicken that can mature in six weeks? Well, that's the big issue.

The big issue is the population. And that big issue, people do their best. They do their best to recycle. They do their best to try to figure out how to pollute the least and consume the least and leave the smallest carbon footprint. Some people are very conscious about it. But there's a lot of things that people overlook. And one of them is all the vegetables that you get from the grocery store. No matter what, if you think you are somehow or another karma-free because you're only eating vegetables,

man, I hate to tell you, but that whole thing of growing vegetables in mass is only slightly less controversial than growing animals in mass. It's all weird. There's a lot of displacement of wildlife. There's a lot of pollution of the environment due to pesticides. The runoff from the salt and sea that I was telling you about, that's all directly attributed to farming. And most of it is agriculture. It's fucking pesticides and shit. It all flows down river And you're fucked and there's a lot of other issues like the first of all it's not natural It's not natural to keep growing things in one spot. That is just not how the world is supposed to be designed It's supposed to be a gigantic cycle of animals dying and their bodies rotting and their bodies fueling the plants that they actually eat and then

Animals eat them and they die and their bodies rot and fuel the plants that they actually eat, and then animals eat them, and they die, and their bodies rot and fuel the plants that grow around them. We've circumvented that thing with these giant things we call cities. We figured out a way to stack all these people on top of each other, and then we had to figure out a way to get them all food because the fucking buildings kept growing, and the people kept needing more and more and more, and they're running out of room.

Fuck. And so that's the problem. The problem is we got the cart way ahead of the train we're way we're way ahead of it and we didn't we didn't anticipate for seven billion people we didn't anticipate for 300 plus million americans and we're kind of doing it right now but even with our vegetables we're fucking up giant chunks of land you know even with our vegetables and you think it's it does it's not easy like this idea that it's easy to feed a bunch of people like 20 million people with a vegan diet god damn it it's not it's not easy to feed 20 million people with any kind of diet no it requires a lot of resources and organization and and you know sort of consolidation

yeah i don't know, but I would imagine. It's not saying factory farming for animals is awesome. It's disgusting. It's scary that it got this far. And it got this far while we weren't paying attention to it. All of us. I think pretty much all Americans at one point in their life had to be told of factory farming and then went, what the fuck? Like, this wasn't something that was discussed when we were in high school.

When I was in college, there was never a word and I was barely in college by the way, but That's a college a theory when Brian was in college. We're the same age. That's what yeah What I'm anyway what I'm saying is no one discussed it. It wasn't this gigantic issue I don't think we were quite as aware That's another creepy things those ag-gag laws where it's illegal to film these horrific conditions that pigs and chickens have to live in. You can go to jail for letting people know about animal torture that's being taken place where they're hitting a fucking cow in the head with a wrench. I saw this crazy video where this guy crowbars a cow in the head. bars a cow in the head the first time i ever saw the first time i ever learned about factory farming was there was a pamphlet in my college and they were talking about how smart pigs are

and how they they they showed a picture of a pig chewing the bars in the pen it was in and how pigs go crazy because they want to roam but they're too smart to just sit in that pen and i got so claustrophobic that i didn't eat bacon for a year out of compassion i was like i can't eat bacon now i can't eat bacon and then he was right back on the big no and then I read a book called fit for life which was all about um being a vegetarian try that for about six days didn't work for me I just can't do it well vegetarian is way more healthy than just going straight vegan as far and like oh and I say way more healthy meaning that it's easier to be way more healthy like you can pull off the vegan thing if you're

Super on the ball with your essential fats, and you make sure you take what is it dhea and there's a beat? What is the the the? Omega threes and sixes that you can get from the fuck is that stuff called you get from? Flats help from kelp Is it flaxseed? I thought it was flaxseed. No, well,

there is flaxseed, but apparently the biological stuff is better. There's Omega threes and sixes that you can get. Is kelp an animal though? No, it's a plant. Kelp is? I'm thinking about,

I'm thinking about krill. Sorry. Krill. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's an animal. Well, you know,

here's, that's another thing that, uh, Sam Harris was telling me is that mollusks if you at least if you look at them on paper There's more of an argument to be made that plants are intelligent than mollusks. Really? Yeah mollusks. They don't feel shit They're just little blobs of snot. They're just living cum living cum that lives in a shell You know, they're weird. There's weird little things. And apparently they're super, super primitive.

Well, we decide that they are an animal that should not be eaten, whereas a plant is something that should be eaten based on whether or not they move. Wait, wait, wait. What's a scallop? That's not the same as a mollusk? Well, a scallop is a mollusk. A mollusk is like clams, mussels, scallops. There's a lot of different shelled organisms.

But they're super, super, super primitive. They don't have nerve endings. Really? Yeah, they don't feel pain. That's the other thing about lobsters. Lobsters, as creepy and weird as they are, apparently they don't feel pain. Really? They're too primitive to feel pain.

There's a great essay by David Foster Wallace called Consider the Lobster, and it's all about this. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's a thing called the lobster liberation organization that break into restaurants and they take lobsters and they throw them back that's awesome what kind of a what kind of a radical group that's the try to get how do you recruit for that group i just want to get that phone call from from jail dad i'm in jail what'd you do son don't be mad you're running from the law. You're getting a fist fight. What did you do, son? Read this pamphlet. Read this pamphlet before you judge me. No doubt. I let a lobster free.

What? I let lobsters free. Yeah. Oh, those giant cunty roaches that want to just bite your fingers off? You let those things free? Yeah. You dummy. They are members of the insect family, I guess. Yeah, they are. That's why if you eat cricket flour, like that was a thing in protein bars,

if you have an allergy to shellfish, you can break out into hives. That's so true, and I can validate that by Fear Factor. Fear Factor, we gave people roaches, and one of the dudes that we gave roaches was allergic to shellfish. Jesus Christ. So when he ate the roaches, he got sick. Didn't you eat a roach? Yeah.

What was it like? Very overrated. It's not terrible tasting. It's not a big deal. Really? It wasn't hard to do. You ate the body, the cuts? I ate a giant one.

It was a Madagascar hissing cockroach. It was huge. God damn it. Yeah, it was like a- Could you live on that? I mean, can people- Yeah, for sure. A hundred percent.

Yeah, you could live on that the same way you could live on crabs. And weren't you afraid it was going to bite you? No. They don't bite. I'm not scared of a bug. Fuck, I'm terrified. That's a bug with poison. It didn't have poison. I knew I was going to jack them quick.

Wasn't it dirty as shit? I was going to throw them in there. Yeah, whatever. So it was like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You drop it on the ground. If you're hungry, you pick it up and you eat it. And you just ate a goddamn cockroach. It's not that bad, dude.

People have been eating them forever. We were insectivores probably before we ever figured out how to kill animals. Look at those fuckers. Yeah. Oh, look at this. No big bad, dude. People have been eating them forever. We were insectivores probably before we ever figured out how to kill animals. Look at those fuckers. Yeah. Oh, look at this. No big deal, dude. It's no big deal. Look at young Joe Rogan.

I wasn't even that young. Look at that full head of hair. That's fairly young. That's fairly young Joe Rogan. Come on, dude. Look at these poor girls. Dude, you just did it. It's not that big of a deal.

You're not really that guy. Don't even show this, and let's not even move on with this. You're not really that. Oh, ha! It's, um, I coughed a lot. There was a lot of little parts and stuff that were going down the back of my throat. Ooh! Little legs and shit.

You know, because you're chewing up this hard, hard skeleton and trying to swallow that, too. That made me gag a couple of times. But as far as, like, taste, it's really nothing. It's like almost like void of taste. I remember when Rinella gave me the back of the deer's eyeball. Oh yeah, that's right. And it was fat and he said, chew that. It's just like chewing gum.

And I was like. No, he said it tastes like dough. Yeah, like dough. Yeah, like bread dough. It did, sort of. It looked like bread dough. Interesting, like it's fat behind the eyes. Yeah.

Well, I appreciate the fact that he eats that too. He eats everything. Hell yeah. You know? That guy has more respect for a downed animal than any hunter I've ever seen. Yeah, but he downed it, dude. He did down it. I miss going hunting.

Well, here's the other thing. Everybody can't do that. I miss going hunting. Here's the other thing. Everybody can't do that. That's a really important point to bring up whenever we're also pro-hunting and talking about how great it is to eat animals that you've harvested yourself. You know exactly where they came from. You knew they were wild. They've never been abused.

They've never been raised in slavery and fed antibiotics and hormones. They lived wild until you shot them. Yeah, but everybody can't do that that's there's a problem with that too like even even admitting that like even saying that like for me personally it's the better option i enjoy that option i think it's the best option it's still everybody can't do it so it's we're fucked no matter what but we've come a long way with just feeding people half the world was starving in the 70s of course we just weren't back to what we're saying you know factory farming that's how they did it i mean they figured

out how to do it technology large-scale agriculture indiscriminate combines that chew up the amount of animals that die when they chew up the fucking grain and corn and all the different things they it's a fucking horror show my friend john dudley who lives in iowa he has a farm and he says when they run those combines when they they pick up whatever grains or whatever they have they run these big giant ass machines and he says you'll see the buzzards just circling in the sky like they literally know that things are just oh you mean like rats and rabbits and rats and rabbits and deer fawns and ground nesting birds. Oh, fuck. I never thought of that.

All those animals don't realize that what they're living in is temporary. They look at it as, oh, this is an awesome shelter. I'm going to go in here. It's thick

with all these branches. No predators are going to find me. I'll just go here and I'll nest. Holy shit. So now the grain, I've never heard this. Grain combines.

Have you ever seen a grain combine? No, no. Jamie, pull that up and you'll get an understanding of what kind of volume you're talking about. And now, so in your bread, you're saying, or the grain, you have a lot of animal. Wow, that's good protein. It's not just that. Well, I don't know how good it is for you and how much of it gets baked off.

But the problem is, it's not animal death free. It's just not. We were showing something. Brian put up this video the other day of a grain silo in Russia. And now these pigeons fall into the grain silo and try to eat the grain and then get sucked into the gears as the silo or the machine is turning up the grain. So they land on the grain, try to get some of it, and then they get sucked into the gears over and over and over and over again. We're watching like 10, 15 of them,

and like the course of a couple of minutes get sucked into this machine that chews up the pigeons. And so when they, so does the machine taking the grain and making it finer, is that what it's doing? Yeah, but let's not, let's see a large view so we can get an understanding of the the mass see that's just that's a small one look at large scale grain combine and see if you could

find a video of it but they have these you know they're like fucking hundreds of feet long and they're just chewing up giant chunks of these crops and when they're doing these large scale agriculture like that one right there perfect example but isn't that isn't that just clear cutting that's not actually using any of that stuff no it's using it that's how that's how they chew that shit up dude yeah but that's not that's not uh that's actually isn't that a corn field they pick the corn that's actually um i believe that's a truck going through it and taking out all those so they can replant i think it is possible that's what that is yeah but there's a bunch of different kinds of machines

they use for that same kind of purpose, meaning for whether it's they're just going to replant them or whether it's they're harvesting them. Right. There's got machines running over that ground all the time. Like, see if you could find the big combines. They spread out like a T. It's like, so there's a truck,

and then to the right and the left, they spread out on either side with these just gears that chop down the plants and then get them ready for harvest. And they also do it when they're, um, when they're making hay, you know, they do that. They have these machines that they drive through and chop everything down and they roll it up for hay. Like here it is. There you go.

So that's a combine. And that thing, as that guy pulls it, that thing is chewing up every fucking thing that's down there. Everything. And animals, especially fawns, it's one of the weird things about deer fawns, when they're really young, they just stay put. So if they hear things, you could literally walk up to a baby deer fawn, and if the mom's not around, you could touch it. baby deer fawn and if the mom's not around you could touch it because their instincts until they get old enough to run away from stuff their instincts are to stay put just to ensure survival so a lot of them get chewed up in this and there was some estimation that i read when they were talking about the problems with this and ways they were trying to figure out how to mitigate

wildlife loss from from use of indiscriminate combines like this and they were talking about each pound of grain how many animals has to die i don't remember what the number was oh this is the video of the the pigeons that get shoved into this uh oh no you guys yeah oh dude it goes on forever you guys yeah whoops oh no dude and they keep doing it what so they're not smart enough to figure out what's going on. Look at that one. Whoops. Oh, shit.

Fuck. Dude, this is insane. Yeah. They're just going away. They're green. That's it. Fly. You made it. You made it, dude.

Fly. How about that one on the edge? He's just watching his buddies go down. He doesn't say a goddamn thing. One of them jumped right in the middle and was like, hey, look at this. It's amazing. And it just keeps happening. Sir, sir.

There you go. Guys, who's going to get smart now? This one's not. No. That's a wrap, bitch. Damn it. This one's gone, too. See ya. Dude. Sir, sir. There you go. Guys, who's going to get smart now? This one's not. That's a wrap, bitch. Damn it. This one's gone, too. See ya.

Dude. Oh, last minute. Last minute survival. You could make bets. You could make a lot of money. This is a gambler's dream. I got the one. It is, right?

Is this one going to go down or not? You'd have to have stacks of money on the ready. $100. $100. What's the name of this video, Jamie? That one's done. Oh, dude. You went face first.

Exploding. Oh, that's not it. What was the... Pigeons are being sucked in with the grain on a bread-making plant in Russia. I searched for Russian pigeons and bread, and it comes up. Okay. That's unbelievable. Man.

Good old YouTube. That's so weird. So the point is, to make gigantic groups of people happy and fed, even just with vegetables, you need a lot of that stuff going on huh? So it's not nice to anybody. It's not night. I mean this is again This is not defending factory farming which is obviously disgusting and horrible and it's a it's one of the darker Aspects of human civilization the fact that standard in the United States that there's that shit is really really really common And that's how we can afford meat so cheap. But even vegetables, even vegetables, it's not like growing your own shit.

Ideally, what we're supposed to do is we're all supposed to grow our own shit. We're all supposed to have a piece of land and you're supposed to have vegetables on it. And you're supposed to have a few animals that you raise, whether it's for milk or for cheese or for meat or for whatever that would be the way you could do it yeah it's just not scalable it's just not scalable people would starve well it's not scalable in terms of the way we've decided to jam everybody into these cities it's just not well again i think that was just what would happen anyway by default people organize You feel safer in cities. You get more access to food and shelter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. But if you stop and think about the requirements, like the food requirements of all these people,

people are, it's so easy for someone, you and me included, to say, I don't have time to fucking gather and hunt. Someone go get my food. I got to do comedy. I got a set I got to do at the improv. I'm going to go to the store and buy a sandwich. You want that access. And it seems like the only way you can get that kind of access to supermarkets and to

fast food restaurants, the only way is this system that we've got now, where you've just got massive amounts of animals that are getting slaughtered. It allows for thought and things that you see. If you have to live, if you have spent so much of your time just feeding yourself and your family or whatever, somebody was talking about, well, why did Greek philosophy, what philosophy come out of Greece where they had all that time to think? Well, a lot of like certain, I think it was the historian William McNeil said, well, they were able to export timber, olive oil, and wine.

And so they made money, their economy, you could actually have some leisure time. You could buy leisure time because they would trade, you know, for all those, for those goods that were wanted everywhere. So what happened was you had, you know, there were people that made a lot of money and they could sit around and think because they could somebody was there to feed them and they didn't have to worry about things the climate was temperate uh so you didn't have to really worry about the winter as much i mean it gets cold but not that cold that's so fascinating because that mirrors what john anthony west said about egypt he was talking about the early days of ancient egypt and the nile river being such a fertile area and the food just blew up out of nowhere. It was easy to grow things. Also, edible grasses that grew anyway.

There was barley, and there was, I think, millet. That's a huge factor that you could cultivate. The natural grasses that just grew anyway were, I think, also wheat. Those were there. So you didn't have to kind of import them from other places. Yeah. So it's like we need these kind of situations, like these city type situations where we have massive amounts of resources, but we're doing it on a scale that no one else has ever done

it before. We're doing it on this really bizarre scale and we have to recognize that this is all incredibly recent in terms of like human history, like to jam millions and millions of people in cities i mean there had been a few cities in china that had done it you know there's a few places around the world that had done it but they were essentially primitive they were you know like you're talking about what they've done in terms of developing a city where it had a million people in like the year 1200 versus what has to be done in the year 2016 first of all you have electricity you have power everywhere you have sewage lines running everywhere you've got all these people shitting and pissing into tubes

and then pumping water through this fucking pipe that gets rid of it somewhere you got to get rid of all that shit piss water. You gotta figure out a place to put it. You gotta have treatment plants for it. I mean, you have to bring in trucks over bridges and the same places where everybody else is and they're filled with chickens and pigs and

fucking cabbage and you just gotta constantly just keep bringing them food and bringing out their shit. Bringing in their food and bringing out their shit. You know what else that does for agricultural communities? The benefit for – because when agricultural communities would go to war with nomadic tribes or with the exception of the Mongols. But with nomadic tribes and Native Americans, for example, is that when you come from a tradition of agriculture and cities like that, where you have contact with animals, nasty diseases, nasty diseases start to breed. Nasty diseases.

And then you build an immunity to it, but guess who doesn't? The people you come into contact with. So, so many of the people, like the Native Americans, they were killed by bullets, but they were mainly killed by things like influenza and the European diseases that they had zero contact with. Well, that's interesting because Dan Flores wrote a paper. I think it was called Bison Diplomacy, Bison Ecology, Bison Diplomacy, Bison Ecology. I'm reading his book right now about coyotes.

And he wrote this book about the buffalo. And he said that the mass numbers that people had seen of the buffalo, when there was millions of them roaming across the plains, it coincided with the Native American population dwindling substantially because of disease by Europeans. Sure. When the Europeans came over and brought diseases, it wiped out a giant percentage of the population. And his contention was- They were Spanish, right? Is that who came? Yes.

Yeah. Yes. And French too, right? I think was mostly Spanish Yeah, but anyway Europeans they came over and they brought a bunch of dirty dirty dirty bugs and their pigs and And also horses of course But they said he said that the Native Americans with the firearm and with horses were already on their way to Extrapating the buffalo from a lot of its range before they got hit with these crazy diseases.

So that when you saw these millions of buffalo, it was in a direct response to a lack of a predator. Wow. A lack of a competent predator, one that they used to have in the Native Americans that would follow them around. The Native Americans that were introduced to firearms, I believe he was talking about firearms, and maybe even Spears and bows and arrows as well but the horseback was the big issue because being on horseback

you just get right to the buffalo you just follow they didn't even know what the fuck you were you know they let you get right up on them like they never got jacked by horses before right they get jacked by wolves and they got jacked by mountain lions and never got jacked by a horse I got jacked by mountain lions. They never got jacked by a horse. What is this horse with a dude on it with a fucking spear on my side? Dude! They would just run up on them and kill a ton of them. And then they would all feast and they would follow the buffalo herd around and just keep jacking them. And most likely, this guy Dan Flores is saying, they were on their way to diminishing the populations greatly.

And he points to the early European travelers who came through. They didn't talk about the buffalo. There's no mention of the buffalo. They talked about all these other animals. They talked about elk. They talked about deer. They talked about bear. They talked about antelope.

They talked about all these plains animals that they discovered and encountered they didn't talk about buffalo from from how far back way far back right when they first started coming 91 so that yeah so the early settlers accounts did not include these massive populations of buffalo so when they had gotten to these crazy numbers like when they started killing them for there's a bunch of different reasons why they killed them and one of the reasons why they killed them was their fur another one was their tongues they would kill gigantic herds like just thousands of buffalo and they just take their tongues and leave their bodies to rot why they used their tongues like they ate them they were they were a delicacy yeah they were i guess it was valuable at at the time yeah and they also um

they used it for the the uh the meat market so they would kill them and they would take them and they would sell them to market so they were they were market hunters and they would just indiscriminately wipe out just giant numbers of them so without a doubt the the native the native americans were on their way but we showed them how to do it yeah yeah there are all these stories about sort of cowboys with their shoulders that were black and blue because they were shooting buffalo all day long. Yeah, literally. And then they would take the tarps and stretch them out and cover like a square mile.

I mean, some crazy, not that, but like football fields of just tarps that were, you know, spread out and then rubbed with oil, I guess, to make, you know, so that the tarp, so you created a buffalo skin, a hide. And at night you'd hear the coyotes fighting and snarling over the sort of the licking the hides and chewing that to shoo the coyotes away. And then they figured out, they said, why don't we just lace the buffalo before we kill them? Let's lace the buffalo with strychnine. So we'll skin them and then lace the meat, some of the meat with strychnine. And those animals eat the strychnine, and they'll die.

And then we can take those furs and send them back east as well. Well, I never heard that. What animals were they doing that to? So all the foxes would come in, all the coyotes, all the wolves, and then all the birds. And so they would take the feathers and send them to Europe for hats, and they would take the coyote skins, and they'd take the wolf skin, and they'd take everything else. Where did you read this, that they were lacing buffalo meat with strychnine well there's a great book they did

that with wild horses well they did that with buffalo there was a great book called of wolves and men i believe i read a long time ago and as they as they laid the railroad down they were shooting them from trains but as they as they did that that was really what because the plains, the Great Plains, looked very much like the Kalahari apparently. Like, you know, the African wilderness. That's funny that you brought that up because that's another book that Flores is working on.

He's working on the American Serengeti. Where do you think Flores gets his fucking information from? From you? He's a professor. You're amazing. He taught at a major university. I work for my gut. I work for my gut, bro. I work for my gut.

He talked about that's the reason why the antelope runs so fast. It's like the antelope runs so fast because they were being chased by these big cats. Like we used to have a cat. We used to have a lion that lived in North America

that's bigger than an African lion. What? Yeah. Oh, actually, I think I've seen that with a short tail. I don't know what kind of tail it had. We had a thing called a short-faced bear that was apparently the most dangerous bear that's

ever lived. Giant. Go ahead and bring that up, Danny. Bigger than a polar bear. What? Huge. Formidable predator that they think was one of the reasons why it took so long for people to migrate into North America.

It might have been that the Bering Strait was the realm of the short-faced bear. I want no part of a short-faced bear. You never seen this thing? Sure haven't. You need to see this and whatever the American lion was. There was also a thing called a terror bird.

There was this giant seven-foot tall bird, a flightless bird with a giant hatchet for a face. What? That would just fuck things up. That is the relative size. That's obviously a replica. But that's the size of a short-faced bear. Apparently it was just an enormous, enormous bear. And look at that other fucking thing. What is that? That's a deodon. Some other horrible looking monster with teeth. It looks like a deer with wolf teeth. Well,

it looks like a hedgehog. Yeah, or like a buffalo with wolf teeth. A giant fucking pig. Yeah. Yeah. Goddamn, man. There were some crazy fucking animals. I want no part of that. What's really interesting is that the mass of them went extinct somewhere around the

end of the Ice Age. Why? They just all got... Well, probably for the same reason why the Ice Age ended. Oh. Probably a lot of shit going on. Yeah. A lot of factors. That's how big it is? Oh, my God. Well, probably for the same reason why the Ice Age ended. Probably a lot of shit going on. A lot of factors.

That's how big it is? Oh, my God. That's impressive. Look at the size of that fucking thing. Or is that just a Kodiak bear? That could easily be a Kodiak bear. Sure could. That easily could be.

They're 11 feet high or some shit. Yeah. The big ones are. Are you kidding me? Yeah, there's a great video. You want to shit your pants? Yes. There's a great video from a guard booth in Alaska

where these guys are inside one of those park ranger guard booths and they're watching this bear walk through that's the size of a bus. It is a fucking tank. It looks like a VW. Like a VW bus. And they're in there and go, oh my god, look at him, look at him, look at him, look at him. And the thing just

strolls right past the guard booth and you get a sense because they're inside this building but the building is only 10 feet from this animal so you get like a really clear sense of proportion of how big it is you're like oh my god it's like 11 feet long and it probably weighs you know who knows how much how much they weigh 1500 pounds yeah you never you feel it's such a good way to feel like food and shoes. You're so diminutive. That's why going to zoos makes me always feel a little shitty about myself. I'm the weakest link in the chain.

I'm just a bald, pink piece of fucking food. I suck compared to all animals. But you have guns and cars and shit. And a brain and a dick. You figured it out. But when you see this thing, you got it? No? Giant bear walks past guard booth in Alaska.

I'll find it, you motherfucker. I'll find it in two seconds. I believe you want to be eaten by a big cat before you're eaten by a bear. Because bears just start eating you when you're alive. Big cats get the back of your neck and end it quick. Yeah, they get your face. They don't want to fight. They want you to die so they can eat you.

Bears are so invulnerable. They don't feel the need to kill you first. It's not necessary. They just hold you down. Here it is. Watch this. So these guys are in this guard booth, and this thing starts lumbering towards them.

That's a grizzly, isn't it? It's so big. What's the name of it, Jamie? It says, Must See Huge Brown Bear Walking past Brooks Lodge Ranger station So as these guys are sitting there in their truck like look how close it is what it walks by the road, dude These these guys are standing there watch out walks right by there. I mean that things 10 feet away Oh my gosh, they don't even swear and they're so nice up there

Look at that close that fucking door. No, watch this. Look at the lady walking down the road. What? Yeah. See down there? What? Is that a dude?

Might be a dude. Did I say lady? Might be a lady. But either way, it just decides not to walk over and eat her. Like, she's just out there. Come on. If it went into a dead sprint, that would be a wrap. Oh, it's catching her.

Oh, for sure. You're never getting away from that thing. She didn't even see that bear. No. I wonder if she would have heard it coming. She would have heard it breathing probably. Yeah, I wonder what it would have done. If it would have checked to see if she had a gun.

Oh, no. It would have eaten her. I mean, would it have just run up to her and eaten her? Because the thing they say about grizzlies is it's way less likely that a grizzly bear is going to kill you for food. And way more likely they're going to kill you because you stumble upon a mother with her cubs and she's protecting her. Because grizzly bears don't necessarily look at people as food. But black bear apparently are more opportunistic predators. And there's way more incidents of black bears attacking and killing people for food than there is of grizzly bears doing it.

Grizzly bears definitely have done it, but it appears that black bears do it more for food, more for predation. Rinella was telling us about a story about, oh, shit, running up to a dog. It's scared that a dog is, that's from American Werewolf in London. That video ended right as it said it killed the people that were filming it. Oh really? Yeah, cuz they were fucking with says mom bear attacks Okay, I don't need to see that. I mean I see people It is uh anyway bears scary not good don't get eaten When I was telling a story about a friend of his I'm gonna fuck the story up I'm sure but I think the gist of the story was they took this guy out for his first time hunting ever

He get attacked by a 500 pound predatory black bear in his tent While he's sleeping the bear comes in the tent mauls him if somebody wakes up shoots the bear Hits him in the wrist breaks his wrist and then the bear gets out of that tantrums in another tent and they shoot it Yeah 500 pound predatory black bear. So that's a bear that's Breaks his wrist. And then the bear gets out of that tent, runs in another tent, and they shoot it. Yes. A 500-pound predatory black bear. So that's a bear that's, how much do you weigh? 175? I weigh 172, shredded.

So I'm somewhere in the range of 200 pounds. So you and I, and then a lot more, another 100-plus pounds, another 125 pounds, and it's a fucking bear. And you're by yourself, and you're sleeping. It's your first time ever hunting and this thing comes through the door Just all hot fucking funk breath never taken a bath in its life And just looking to rip you apart fast twitch muscle And dense bone your friend shoots you in the wrist your friend shoots at it and I don't know if I got a pass through on the bear's body and then hit him, because that sometimes happens.

But either way, you get shot in the wrist. Bear mauls you. We were talking about how the Inuit used to kill seals, and they would use polar bear bone. Now, how do you kill a polar bear? Do you know how? Well, I know how to kill wolves. You know how they used to kill wolves?

Yes. Well, they used to take a blade and put blood on it. Yes, and it would just keep licking and bleed to death. But I believe with polar bears, they would kill them when they were sleeping. They would find out where they were sleeping, and they would come in there and stab the shit out of them while they were sleeping. And then they would take that bone because it was extra hard, and they would put it at the end of their their spear and that's how they would kill seals did you ever

wonder how inuits who lived in that icy region got water because remember what the water is it's all salt water right right ice is all salt water so how do you get water how the fuck do you get water suck a polar bear's dick very good and and i would yes, most of the time. You're not very scientific. Oh, do I am? Okay, but you have to, apparently, they would be able to see

what the old ice, the old, old ice, like by the color of it, the older the ice, I guess the less salt. So you would find really old ice, and that was the ice

that you would melt down as water. What the fuck? Yeah, so the Arctic explorers who didn't hook up with the Inuit always died. From drinking salt water. They just froze to death. They couldn't find food.

It sucked. And the ones that immediately made friends with the Inuit, they came back nice and fat. They had plenty of seal meat and they would always have to get rid of all their clothing and wear exactly what the inuit would wear what kind of a fucking crazy person decides to go to the antarctic uh the british who wanted to find different way routes for trade but just think about what kind of a crazy person you feel like that's what i want to do i want to go i'll be the first guy to go to antarctica badasses I'm just going to walk across that frozen, looks like nothing, nothingness.

That story about, I can't remember his name, it wasn't Shackleton, it was another guy who was an explorer and his men were all starving and dying and he knew he was going to die, but he was a British aristocrat. And when you were an aristocrat in Britain, you had a duty. You had a duty to essentially use your free time to make the world a better place.

And so he is famously stiff upper lip uh grew up on a life of discipline never showing ever your emotions probably carted away to boarding school at six years old as they always were well definitely did some buggery yeah uh and you do that right that was real common still is uh the upper classes send their kids away to school at seven the older classmates are like hey a lot of gay stuff there's a lot of problems uh but uh he said famously um as he he knew he was going to die his foot apparently was very gangrene and he looked at his men he said i'm going for a walk and there may be some time and he just wow he just rather than inconvenience them with his death because that would be very un-british he walked off and froze to death yeah that's a badass because because keeping up and if

you read some of the letters as they were dying and starving to death their letters are incredibly formal and still poised and always taking into account that they had to keep up appearances and that they had to uh up appearances and that they had to always remind themselves that they were there for a bigger cause and that their personal discomfort was just not something you inconvenience anybody with that was the highest level of civilization they were capable of expressing before emojis see now you could send someone like a text message and say i don't think this dis shit is gonna work out yeah peace out if you want to see fam and then you'd have like emoji with a peace sign and then like you and then a gun dude if you want to see the antithesis to the emoji in the american culture

as it is now youtube a debate between james James Baldwin, the great African-American author, and William F. Buckley at Cambridge University in 1965. Everybody who's listening, please do that. What does that have to do with emojis? Well, just because that was debate and language and formality in high relief. And Cambridge, of course, they were all there talking about, the question was, is the American dream at the expense of the American Negro, or

is it not? And that is the debate, and Mr. Buckley would, of course, choose that it is not, and Mr. Baumann would choose that it is, and James Baumann gets a very rousing speech. 1965, I brought the cotton to market, and I picked the cotton for nothing. for nothing.

For I will always be. And then William Buckley gets up. But the formality, the theatricality and the fucking language, the way English was spoken by the upper classes or the educated back in the day. This is so great. He's 12 years old. No, no, that's not Buckley. That's the beginning of the debate. Is this for a university?

So he's, yeah. And fast forward to James Baldwin talking. It's actually quite amazing. Well, we can't really play it anyway. Oh, you're not allowed to? We'll get yanked off of YouTube. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's somebody else's content.

Somebody else owns this. It's really important to watch, though, I think. Well, that was my point, though, was that do you think that the reason why that formality was so appreciated and accepted and it was so highly regarded was because that was the highest level of civilization that they had before technology before technology and before I mean there was a limited amount that you can influence the environment back then and you could

don't more influence yourself you can more educate yourself you could you know you if you wanted to go somewhere you had to get on a boat. Okay. You had to get on a boat like everybody else. You had to get on a train. If you wanted to get across the country, you had to get on a train. Yeah. If you wanted to write something, you had to use a quill and you had to have a little

thing of ink and you had to dip it in there and that's how you wrote. Period. And it was a limited amount that you could do. Like, you know, you couldn't just go home and sit and watch television. You couldn't code a video game. You couldn could get on Skype. There was less distraction? There was less distraction and the the level of ability that you could you where you could express civilization at its highest level it was basically like code a few machines that people had built a few combustion machines the trains things along

those lines. And then the rest of it was just like houses and rules. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's accurate. I think it might also be that I like, I think that's part of it. And I think that's a valid kind of a description of maybe part of what was going on. But I think something else is going on with those, with those debates. I think that that when you the reason like something like firing line watch firing line with william f buckley popular show it's molasses you you've got a you're listening to men speak about long ideas that's why actually one of the things i really appreciate about your show because you're having such smart people and having real discussions but then how the fuck did you get on here i have no idea oh shit oh what the what the fuck burn but i think he got me he

fucking got me again but burn but back then like there was it feels like political commitment and winning these arguments between right and left as they were known, had actual ramifications because it feels like politics and whatever happens in an election today means less to people and has less of an effect, at least an immediate effect. Because back in those days, 65, the wars that were going on with ideology and wars, I mean, fascism and communism and capitalism people were actually dying and having real wars there were national wars that were set to defend not only resources but those ideologies an entire movement and i think that there was this sense that if this side

wins then that side over there is going to come over and take us over there was this real ideology between this and i so so i think that those debates people took very personally because they probably knew somebody who died defending the world against fascism. They were afraid of the Red Scare or they were committed communists and they were being persecuted for it because they couldn't get a job in Hollywood. I mean, there's a real a culture war that had actual tangible ramifications that you could see every day. My God, the Vietnam War. Americans were dying every day because they were sent out there to make the world safe for democracy. I think that was a factor, too. I don't think that was not a factor.

I think there certainly was a lot going on there with that. But we were really talking about people even before that era. And I think when we were talking about the the guy from antarctica that you know i'm going out for a walk i may be some time yeah i think there was something with the intellectuals of the day where they were way more uncorrupted by um by the world that we live in today in terms of you mean like they had a sense of duty i think there was it was a very a very important position right to be the person who disseminated the information in 1795 and made decisions and made decisions and and was in charge of like libraries and books and it was teaching universities i mean you got to think of like what different uh british universities

were around the 1700s like quite a few right i bet you could name, like, isn't Yale from the 1700s? When's Yale from? I think Yale was founded in either the late 1700s or I think Harvard as well, or at least, I think, didn't Thomas Jefferson go to Harvard? What about Cambridge? Cambridge and Oxford go, I mean, Oxford didn't, I think Isaac Newton went to Oxford. Yale was 1701. 1701. Wow. Incredible. Incredible.01 incredible incredible wow so like back then amazing that was the so you think of let's just go to 1701 in 1701 the

intellectuals were the highest expression of civilization because there really wasn't that much technological expression there really wasn't that much that had been done there's where there was guns there was some machines i don't even know did they even have a printing press i don't believe they did in 1701 when was the printing press the printed presses but would they had was it yes oh that's right that's when martin luther was um yeah they had a printing press back then yeah um um what's his name bit bit uh um what's who invented the printing press i can't believe i'm forgetting this they certainly didn't have typewriters. So they'd have to typeface things. So they would probably read off manuscripts in schools.

So when they were in schools and they would write. I think they had typewriters. Did they have typewriters? The printing press Gutenberg. What year was the typewriter? Probably back then. Here's what's crazy about it all. This is something that I've been talking about on stage.

Is how recent all that was. It seems so far away for us. But this is the way I describe it. Like people live to be 100. That's 300 years ago. That's three people. Isn't that crazy? That's three people ago.

1714 by Henry Mill. There you go. Whoa. So they had 13 years there with no typew Whoa. So they had 13 years there with no... So they had 13 years with no typewriters, and then eventually they had typewriters. Well, things were still written by scrawls. Things were still written by ink. I'm sure.

It took a long time for that diffusion of that innovation. When do you think the typewriter really totally kicked in? The 1800s, I bet. The 19th century. Or maybe it was the 18th century. In the 19th century, before it was mass-produced with the industrial age, when when you could make a lot of them for cheap enough for the populace to buy i would imagine isn't it crazy too that we still use the cordy uh the the way the keyboards are assembled it works to use the cordy configuration it does work but it's not the fastest way to do it and

some people are dorks no some people are dorks and they learn the other way what's the other way dover acts or something like that see find the most efficient typing uh configuration there's a second type of configuration that's more efficient and a friend of mine tried it he tried to learn it and he said it was but it took him too long and he would have to like reprogram computers when he got them and you have to buy this certain keyboard, and if you had a laptop, you were fucked. This is the alternative. Yeah, Dvorak or Colmac. That's interesting. So there's two different ones.

QWERTY is what we have, but scroll up again there so I can read that. So alternative keyboard layouts explained. Should you switch to Dvorak or Colmac? So Colmac, C-O-L-E-M-A-K, or D-V-O-R-A-K. So there's two different configurations. We see that configuration. It doesn't have QWERTY at the top. The very top is like those arrow keys and the dot and the comma,

and then it starts with a P. That's the first letter on the first column. And then the other letter, it's A is in the same place, but S isn't in the same place. Right next to A is O, and S is way the fuck over there where the other letter it's a is in the same place but s isn't in the same place right next to a is o and s is way the fuck over there where your other pinky is it's really confusing wow but apparently if you really learn how to type that's the best configuration because your your hands can flow more smoothly and i think the scroll back up there please so we can see that i think that configuration was...

If I remember correctly, they invented that because the old typewriters used to bind if you smashed keys next to each other too quickly. So they decided to spread it out a little bit. I'm old enough to remember that. That's pathetic. You're old as fuck. I'm not kidding. I remember that happening with my mother's...

When I was trying to type, I'll be at Calgary this weekend. Yuck, yucks. Did you just do that? Are you going to be there this weekend'll be at Calgary this weekend. Yuck, yucks. Did you just do that? Are you going to be there this weekend? I'll be there this weekend. It's a fun place. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, yuck, yucks, Calgary. Come see me.

I love Calgary. I'm bringing heat. They have good steaks. Yes, so do I. Do they need factory farming up there? They don't. Not too many people. Sure they do, but I love Calgary.

How dare you? I love Calgary. Trying to paint a beautiful narrative. I love the people of Canada. Don't you love Canadians? I do. We were talking about that. Yeah, the nicest people in the world. Yeah. So I always like to go to Calgary. I love the people of Canada. Don't you love Canadians? I do. We were talking about that. Yeah, the nicest people in the world.

Yeah. So I always like to go to Calgary. I like going to Canada. Oh, I'm doing Massey Hall on December 9th. Tickets went on presale today. It's with Russell Peters and Big Jay Oakerson. Really? Yeah.

The two of you guys? Yeah. And Big Jay's hilarious. And Big Jay, yeah. Wow. And that's December 9th, night before the UFC. That's impressive. Yeah.

That's going to be the time. Yeah, what about you? What are you doing that night? I'll be in, well, I don't know that night. December 9th. What are you doing? December 9th and 10th, I'm going to be, I know where I'm going to be. Where are you going to be, bitch?

I'm going to be in at the Fort Lauderdale Improv. I was going to ask you to come with us. I would love to, but the Fort Lauderdale Improv is one of my favorite places to perform. Yeah, it's a fun place, too. Especially if you like drunks that are trying to escape from New Jersey. Oh, yeah. While we're plugging things, because Brennan Schaub will beat me up if I don't mention that Fighter and Kid live will be in West Palm Beach November 11th and 12th.

And in New York, Ramsey Hall, I think we're almost sold out, November 3rd. Excellent. So come see us. Go see them. Hilarious show. My Netflix special comes out this Friday, October 21st. I love that. So available for download.

People have been asking if you can get it in other countries. That's a real good question. I will ask that myself, and I'll find out, and I'll get back to you. You know, since you told me about dairy and not putting it in your coffee, I have not had the same throat issues. You're having some throat issues. What kind of issues are you having? Well, apparently, and I didn't know this, but Brendan told me that I was always going, ahem. Yeah, no, definitely.

And my wife said the same thing. I was doing that with butter coffee. I switched. If you hear it and you say, hey, I don't hear you clear your throat as much. You're always going to have to clear your throat when you talk as much as I do. It's a lot of bullshit coming out of my mouth. I got to. But I drink black coffee now during the podcast.

I'll still drink coffee with grass fed butter and MCT oil, but I don't drink it before a podcast. I don't drink it during a podcast, I should say. Some people get bummed out. Like Steve Rinell, he lives for that shit. When he comes in, he's going to come in in a couple weeks, we have to give it to him. He'll be sad. Well, there's nothing like really good coffee. I can't do any kind of

cow dairy anymore. I know you said that. You like goat milk, huh? I like goat milk, too. I like butter. Butter I can kill. I love butter. Well, I'll tell you, when my daughter was little, she could not, if she drank milk at all,

she would throw up when she was really little. She could not drink milk. We tried, you know, it's hard to gauge when you have a little kid to see what they like and what they don't like

and what agrees with them, but goat milk went down like that, like nothing. It was really interesting. I mean, we're talking like she was a really young baby. She loved goat milk, but whatever reason, we stopped buying it and now we buy just regular cow's milk. They did a really interesting. She was, I mean, we're talking like she was a really young baby. She loved goat milk. But whatever reason, we stopped buying it and now we buy just regular

cow's milk. They did a really interesting experiment with goats and kind of proving that when you eat a food that's super delicious, like say you eat a peach and you love peaches, then you eat another peach and you love peaches. But there's somewhere along the line where with foods that are also giving you nutrition, stop there's a trigger so um whereas when you flavor food that doesn't have any nutritional value you'll just keep eating it like doritos you keep eating it keep eating it keep eating and it tricks your body but there's something about so this guy did this experiment where this professor at this university took these goats and he starved them of phosphorus he didn't give them any phosphorus in their diet and they started doing weird things like drinking their own urine

and drinking each other's urine and pawing at the dirt and weird shit because they need phosphorus whoa so then he would feed um them two different staples of food but the coconut the coconut flavored and there was maple flavored food uh and so the coconut flavored food when he'd feed them the coconut flavored food uh then he would put a tube down their throat and fill their stomachs with the phosphorus and all of a sudden the goats were instinctively going for the coconut flavored food now the thing you'd say is wait a minute maybe they just like coconut flavored food but then he took the maple flavored food and the coconut flavored food another control group and when those goats would eat the maple food he'd stick the tube down their throat and fill their stomachs with phosphorus

now the goats didn't know that they were getting and so that control group would always go for the maple whoa because they could even though they didn't know they were getting phosphorus they just somehow equated the fact that they were going to get the phosphorus from that so they think that human beings have this strange mechanism in their in their sort of brain and body where they um once you are eating a food that has nutritional value so if it's sweet like dates it's got nutritional value as well or whatever it might be somewhere along the line we get satiated no matter how delicious we find it if it's a natural food that's true because nobody eats like a giant bowl of peaches yeah right you might eat two if you're crazy right and this but you'll

eat a fucking pie fuck yeah you'll eat a pie or you'll eat you know pie with ice cream you might eat that whole pie especially when it's artificially flavored because that that triggers this weird and one of the things in this book dorito effect is that this guy talks about the fact that that has kind of thrown our, you know, that that's one of the things, one of the culprits of obesity, perhaps for sure.

Yeah, for sure. Flavoring, flavoring for sure. A hundred percent. That totally makes sense. And then the sugar thing. Yeah.

You know, like chickens take chickens because we grow them so fast. So, so usually like after world war ii the fastest chicken they could grow they had a contest was uh to get it to the point where you could eat it was 14 weeks and now we've got it down to six weeks and yeah so now you what you're eating is big fat babies the problem is that the oils aren't the same they're not as nutritious as an heirloom chicken a chicken that's grown to eat when it forages like the chickens you

have they eat like you know worms and whatever they want. I don't eat my chickens though. Yeah. But if you ate that chicken, it'd be the oils and the meat would be different. It'd be tough. And it'd be, and it'd be also more flavorful. Um, but because chicken has no taste, we had to figure out, there's a lot of things you got to do to a chicken to make it taste.

You got to brine it. You got to flavor it. You got to do all kinds of shit. You know, it's way better than chicken. That wild turkey that we shot with vanilla. Fuck yeah. That was delicious. I cooked that whole thing on the grill.

I marinated it in my standard marinade, which is Newman's own balsamic vinaigrette. Yeah. Tasted just like turkey. I marinated everything in that. So good. Yeah. The red meat, the darker meat, was different. Like the breast tasted like the way Rinella did.

He breaded it and fried it. I used to do this joke about when we did our live podcast, Brennan and I, about how I called it Rogan's Gift when you bought me

that bow and arrow. And first I talked about when we hunted turkey and I was like, we'll kill this turkey. We dressed it in the field, man. And we cut it and it was,

I mean, I didn't shoot it but I secured Joe's hips when he shot the turkey and I go, we cut it, we fried it up and it tasted just like turkey. You know, and they don't laugh. And then I mean, I didn't shoot it, but I secured Joe's hips when he shot the turkey. And I go, we cut it. We fried it up. And it tasted just like turkey. And they don't laugh.

And then I go through this whole fucking thing. Remember when you gave me the bow and arrow? And I was like, I looked at it. I was like, I didn't know what to say. Because I don't know anything about boys. But I think I saw the Hoyt thing. And I went, you got me a fucking Hoyt? And you were like, carbon fiber.

I go, the whole thing? 100% carbon fiber? You know how you try to show somebody you really appreciate the gift, but you don't know what to say about it? Right. Fuck, I can shoot things from a horse now. You still have not shot one arrow through that thing. Because you won't have me over.

No, you never organize it. I'm not going to be the one who does all the work. I tried. No. So tried so little. Listen, dude, the greatest is this. So crazy. You tried so little.

Fuck that. The greatest was you with that expert guy archer. And the greatest text was like, you're going to have me come over and I was going to shoot with you guys. You got so into it. I got a text from you and you go, hey, brother, this is not going to work today. I got a lot of really important work to do with this guy. You're so obsessed.

He told me. You were there all day. He was like, you need to be looking at one person. If you're working with one person, you're working on their archery form. If you're working on two people at the same time, you're not even going to get half the work done with either one of them. That makes sense. And he wants to do something with you and Brendan. He wants to do something where he hooks you guys up with Hoyt bows.

I got my Hoyt bow. And then teaches you, and you guys could all make a video. We could make a video of you guys shooting bows for the first time. When? But he's like, I can't do that and work with you because work with me. I'm Many years advanced not not saying that I'm really good Yeah, not nobody I'm so far advanced from you guys like he would have to work with you So specifically on every little thing there's so many different things you have to think of when it takes a long fucking time

Like give me an example Like a bow and arrow so give me an example because I would imagine how you stand, how you breathe, how you pull back. There's a ton of different things. It's how you hold the bow, what technique you use to draw back, what muscles you're pulling with. You have to be super conscious of pulling with the muscles in your scapula. Where's your elbow position?

How are you torquing the bow? How are you gripping the bow? Is the bow crossing the lifeline on your hand? If it is, that's a problem. You've got to readdress it. How are you gripping the bow is the bow crossing the lifeline on your hand if it is that's a problem you got to readdress it how are you gripping it with your fingers do you have a death grip do you have a loose grip is that affecting the actual trajectory of the arrow is it torquing when you release it when you release it do you punch the the trigger is the arrow flying randomly left and right all sorts of different directions so many forever it takes forever it takes forever and i'm i'm not even

like one one hundredth of the way there but i'm three years ahead of you you're do you think do you think that the uh you're fucked do you think that when you get really good at something like just take archery as an example i know there's a book called the archery. It's great book. But do you think that when you master something like archery? Like do you think that's almost enough to learn about life or do you think that that's a little bit romantic? I think there are elements from anything you get really good at that apply to life. The idea that learning something getting really good at it you learn about life has been disproved over and over again by extreme winners who are gigantic fuck-ups in their regular life. I think when you get obsessed with something to the point of excellence, to the point where you're the best at it, or one of the best at it, or you're in the running to be one

of the best at it, your fucking brain does not have much room for a lot of the normal shit that everybody else has stuffed in their head. You're not going to be online, on gossiping about celebrity bullshit or, you know, talking shit about the latest movie or talking shit about the latest song. You will be obsessed with one task and that does not necessarily make you a balanced person. You might not have time for your family. You might not have time to talk to your friends. You might not have time to to have friends I mean you might be in recovery training You might be doing a million different things to try to accentuate your abilities in basketball and in food You know that that's awesome primarily a male characteristic of course

That's a that's a feature of the male brain the ability to exclude everything else, but one thing it's very rare You see that in women, but you see it in aberration. You see it a lot of women athletes You see in a lot of women superstar athletes for sure but it's also much rarer apparently of course yeah well that's why when someone like ronda rousey comes along you go oh look at that there's one of those you know there's a a female version of the super winner right they exist you know and they seek out male versions of those super winners and you know they have super winner babies yeah that's uh you know standard stuff but it's it's to me i don't think it's indicative of learning about life it's learning how to get really awesome at one thing and that might translate if you can step away from

the madness and the momentum of whatever the fuck it is you're obsessed with that ability to really completely focus in on one thing might aid you if you can completely focus in on life. But the idea that an athlete or an archer or anybody else is doing anything obsessively is actually focusing on life, that might not be the case. That's a good point. I never thought of that. That's a good way to articulate it. Because even like you see like great artists like Paul Jackson, Paul whoever, they weren't that happy. I mean, you know, a lot of examples of like of like you know great authors or great artists or whoever they and they they were so obsessed with their expression that they also live depressive lives now whether or not

whether or not though depressives tend to obsess might be another question but this is probably both both things are probably true You know I was a giant Prince fan like still am he was like one of my all-time favorite musical artists So you know when I found out that Prince had all these like issues with his health and he's taken pain pills He was addicted to pain pills. I was almost like in denial about it I was like no that guy's too smart for that like that guy's like he's smarter than the system He figured out how to make a symbol to get out of a contract because they had to use his name. So he was the artist

formerly known as Prince. That was what that was all about. They were like, you can't use the name Prince. He's like, oh, for real? Motherfucker, do you know how famous I am? I'll make a symbol. I'll just be a symbol. But then, when you hear Prince interviewed, which you rarely do, you see his art, which is amazing.

I still, to this day, think that Purple Rain, it's one of the greatest songs, one of the greatest. It was a great movie. Great fucking album. Yeah, Let's Go Crazy. I mean, he had some fucking jams. And in the time, he was revolutionary. He's this weird little androgynous guy. And then the whole thing was crazy.

The dancing, the stilettos. Little red Corvette. Little red Corvette. Little red Corvette. Oh my God. Guess I should have known. Oh my God. By the way you parked your car. Sideways,

that it wouldn't last. Oh yeah, man. And he had that hair all done up and high stiletto heels. It was amazing. My friend, my friend Tommy,

I'll never forget my friend Tommy, he goes, he's so fucking gay. And then he goes, and then he goes, but he's fucking awesome. But meanwhile, he wasn't gay. No, he wasn't gay. He was heterosexual and he wasn't even really like into gay people. That's one of the weirdest things.

He kind of said some homophobic shit that people get really mad at him about, about one of the reasons he was trying to equate. Okay, stop. He was trying to equate all of these different things that were going on in the world with people not following God's way and sticking their dick in any place they want. And people like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you just say that? Yeah.

Did you just say that? Yeah. Let's go crazy. You're the guy. Yeah. The fucking guy dresses in purple and talks about being a pervert. Well, he's very, very conservative in a lot of ways, wasn't he? But what were you saying about him?

What I was going to say is that he also was into chemtrails. He also believed that the government was spraying the sky and that's what was making everybody angry. So when you listen to him talk and you hear him discuss things, you'll realize, oh.

Okay. What he said about chemtrails was funny. He said, you know, what I've noticed is that when a plane would go by and you'd see these trails and everybody started acting crazy and they'd be fighting and i'm all i'm saying is take a look at it just take a look at it and i was like i won't i won't i won't take a look here

i love you as a musical genius i won't take a look at it but there's also a problem that when he said that he was probably 50 and when he got famous he was probably 20 so 30 years of being completely insulated and isolated people kissing your ass and you saying a bunch of poetic shit while you're alone in minneapolis and being myopic about what he did right myopic enough to never read probably a newspaper or anything i mean i don't know i don't know i don't know what he was like i don't know what he was like in that way i think that's what he was like because i know i know somebody my friend's brother was in his band really yes your friend's brother toured with prince yes my friend rico simone how many different types of aids did he get well well uh no he rico simone was a just wonderful guy died of colon cancer and his brother

fucking what was his name um his brother toured with prince um Wow. And he knew Prince. And man, that dude was, he did, he really did play every instrument fluently. Yeah. And he had high standards and he's just a, like nobody worked like him. Nobody. But it required almost all of them, right? I mean, it's just, he was so devoted to just music. Well, it's obvious. Yeah.

You know, I mean, His style was so diverse. He just mixed it up a lot. Remember Raspberry Beret? It comes out of nowhere. He was so different. When he sang that Tom Jones cover and that high operatic voice. You know, I didn't meet him, but I stood next to him at a party. Prince or Tom Jones?

No, Prince. Do you know how small he was how small was he i'm gonna go ahead and say and and i don't care if nasa comes and shows me like his measurements he was under five feet tall really and i'm not kidding he was straight up under five feet tall i couldn't he was in high heels and i couldn't believe how small he was. Wow. And he walked by me twice and then he was standing in a group and I was there, invisible because everybody else was way too famous. And I just kept looking at him and I was like, don't stare at Prince, stop staring at Prince and act normally, you fucking asshole.

He was just a little bit above a dwarf. Wow. For real. He was absolutely tiny, shockingly tiny. Do you think he got the most pussy ever for a little tiny guy? Probably. I don't know what his sex life was. I don't know.

You know, who knows, right? He used to bang Carmen Electra, right? I know he wrote a lot of songs for people. I don't know. I was never in the room. I don't know. I shouldn't say bang. I worked with Carmen Electra one time.

I did too. What a doll. She's pretty. Such a cool girl. She's very nice. She's fun. She's friendly. And a professional. She's a good Such a cool girl. She's very nice. She's fun. She's friendly. And a professional.

She's a good person. She's probably just chilling. I wish good things. Do you really? Yes. You're so sweet. I'm a good guy. You're such a good guy.

I was doing a series that I thought was going to make me a star. Yet another disappointment. Yet another disappointment. With her? I was doing Fat Actress. Oh, yeah, man.

I remember when you were high on that. Yeah, Christy lost a lot of weight. I got a lot of attention for that, and then nothing. Christy Alley was in her peak back then. I had famous Broadway directors calling me, telling me I was great on the show, and they wanted to put me in their play, and I was so excited. Were they trying to fuck you, or were they being honest? Nah.

Trying to get some dick? No. Probably not. I wish. I'm not that good looking. What happened? That was a Showtime show, wasn't it? It was a big deal because of the name. It was very controversial. Like, wow, she's so bold to have that name. Yeah.

She was one of the first people to have a great sense of humor about eating herself into a bizarre shape. She's just smart and a force of nature. She's a Scientologist. She's great. About eating herself into a bizarre shape. She's smart and a force of nature. She's a Scientologist. She's a Scientologist. And her house, I've been to her house many times, and she had so many animals.

She had two blind lemurs. You know, Christy would be the one who's like, you got a blind monkey? I'll take it. She had a rabbit, a giant desert hare that couldn't use its back legs. Do you not feel the need to temper? She's so smart with she's a Scientologist. Well, having read Going Clear, as you have, and having been in class for over 10 years with many Scientologists. Oh, I remember.

The class that was mentioned in that book. I remember when I used to go visit you. Do you remember when you and I went to watch a guy sing songs? Yes. And he was fantastic. He was wonderful. He had tassels on his shoes. His choice.

He said something interesting about, he'd been a Scientologist for 20 years. Good call. And he said, I am a Scientologist. Somebody asked me that. He said, let me put this to rest.

Yes, I'm a member of the Church of Scientology. What does that mean? I've taken a lot of classes there. And I've gotten nothing out of a lot of classes. And some classes I've gotten a lot. If you want to call me a Scient of a lot of classes and some classes I've gotten a lot. If you want to call me a Scientologist, then go ahead. And then we just kept doing class. He was a fucking great teacher.

But does that mean he's in or not? Uh, I think it makes him in Jeffrey Tambor, who's the star of transparent used to be a Scientologist for many years and he quit and it's called he blew, he ran, he got out. Do you get in trouble when you do that? No, but there's David Miscavige, the secretive sort of leader, has never been painted in a very favorable light, especially if you read that book. I don't know, though.

Yeah, it seems like a nutty little group of humans. It does. It does. And Kirstie Alley was in that nutty little group of humans yeah like any like any group like any group anybody who belongs to any group you're gonna have dogma you're gonna you're gonna need tradition and story to keep that group together you can't have a group without having traditional story was written by a guy who had a captain's outfit on with medals he gave himself yeah he was uh he was probably very crazy and crazy as fuck

apparently there's a great new documentary that i've been hearing about called holy hell about some guy who uh got involved in some really nutty cult in 1985 and was in the cult for like 20 years and uh documented a bunch of crazy shit and and is going to put a documentary out about it. Wow. Yeah. And the cult leader is apparently, he hit his pass as a gay porn star and he was, there he is. Look at his abs. Look at the abs on that guy.

But people are always going to be long to cults. People are always going to want to group up with their version of the truth. A documentary villain for the ages. An unprecedented close-up look. We watch with bated breath as the mask is slowly pulled off. I always thought baited was B-A-I-T. B-A-T-E-D. What does that even mean?

Baited. B-A-T-E-D. Baited breath. Oh, I thought it was B-A-I-T-E-D. No, because baited breath. I never knew what it meant. In great suspense, very anxiously or excitedly, he waited for a reply to his offer with baited breath. I knew what it implied, that you waited and you're highly anticipating it, but I never knew that it was spelled that way or what it was supposed to.

There are a lot of weird words that you'll hear sometimes. Yeah, why is baited? You'll nod along. I heard somebody use the word solipsistic and i was like yes of course yeah i've read that one and said i gotta go back yeah do a definition on that one and i never did it just means like is anything else ever baited is it only baited breath i've only heard it used in context of baited breath yeah but that isn't that a weird, that's a very bizarre word. Yeah. If it's only used with breath, that's it, you know?

Some people are so good with words. Like I was listening to, I was reading the lyrics of Bob Dylan's, after he won a Nobel Prize for literature. Solipsistic. Solipsistic means essentially that you can only be sure that you exist and you're not even sure anybody else does. The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist. That's a weird word. It's a very, I guess it's a limited view of the world. You know Bob Dylan won't respond to them, the people trying to give him his prize.

Oh, really? It's like, fuck off. I'm Bob Dylan, fuck off. If you ever look at the lyrics of Chimes of Freedom and look at what he was writing when he was in his 20s. Just take a look and he had an interview

I listened to and they were talking about these lyrics and he said, isn't that something? He said, what do you mean? He said,

I have no idea how I wrote that and I could never do it again. That magic is gone. And he says, people look me up and they'll come in

and ask me about organic farming and he goes, what do you know about organic farming? And he goes, absolutely nothing. They just put all this stuff on him because he was a great lyricist and a great

thinker obviously he wrote all along the watchtower hell yeah he wrote he was such a fucking influence springsteen was just doing a bbc interview and he said it was the first time i'd ever heard anybody um describe america the way it really was. Look at this. Far between sundown's finish and midnight's broken toll, we ducked inside the doorway, thunder crashing, as majestic bells of bolts struck shadows in the sounds, seeming to be the chimes of freedom flashing. Yeah, he was an interesting voice of a generation. Listen to this part.

Flashing for the warriors whose strength is not to fight, flashing for the refugees on an unarmed road of flight. And for each and every underdog soldier in the night as we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. He's a young guy. Probably high as fuck. What's that? He's probably high as fuck when you run all this. I don't think he was. How dare you? You don't think he was doing drugs? Bob Dylan?

Bitch. Please. I think he probably smoked weed. You don't think Bob he was doing drugs? Bob Dylan? Bitch. Please. I think... You don't think Bob Dylan was doing drugs? I don't know. He was doing a bunch of shit, for sure. I don't know. Was he?

Everybody was. Smoking weed. Doing LSD, for sure. I would imagine. Who's that rock historian who said that rock and roll was the greatest when they were doing psychedelics and they were smoking weed? And when cocaine and heroin came in, it was when the music died. That's when Lou Reed

and that's when all those guys, the Mamas and Papas and all those guys, you know, after Haight-Ashbury, I think 1968, when heroin and cocaine came in, the music basically died. A lot of talent.

A lot of talent was smoked. It says, according to Eric Von Schmidt, the early 60s contemporary of Dylans in the Cambridge folk scene, the early 60s contemporary of Dylan's in the Cambridge folk scene. The Cambridge folk scene. Good Lord.

It smells like feet. Where he, Dylan, and a singing pal, Richard Farina, usually got together, a lot of pot was smoked. So yeah, he's probably just doing a lot of pot. There you go. But if they were doing a lot of pot, I guarantee you they did some acid too. Oh yeah. Got a hold of some mushrooms.

Psychedelics and weed probably are not going to be your enemies as an artist, but I would imagine heroin and cocaine don't usually. When do you think it's going to come a day when we require that of politicians? We require psychedelic experiences like we require education. When Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on to marijuana. Wow. He got them high. This is outrageous. When do you think it's going to be a requirement for politicians? Like, I think every politician should have a mushroom trip. I don't think that's a lot to ask. I think you should have to have survived a threshold-breaking experience, a real breakthrough experience.

I would start with politicians having to go to another country for a while and just seeing how people live. Listen, keep them here and dose them up. Fuck all that travel. Travel's dangerous. Dose them. Just dose them. Just fucking put them in a room for a bunch of people that are going to watch the doors.

Keep them in place. Turn the lights off. Keep them silent. And just dose the shit out of them. I just think we all know everybody that's had one knows that there's giant benefits to them. But it's poo-pooed in society as being like a drug that's detrimental to your health. It's detrimental to your function as a productive member of society. Or you don't know where that drug's coming from, so it's right for danger.

That's why it should be legal. If it was legal. Used to be, right? Sure. Until Nixon, that fuck. Nixon fucked up a lot of things. If it was legal. Used to be. Right? Sure. Until Nixon, that fuck. Nixon fucked up a lot of things. People don't realize when people were doing acid in the 50s and the 60s, it wasn't even illegal.

There's a lot of stuff. Marijuana was illegal, but mushrooms weren't illegal until 1970. That's amazing. Yeah. It's crazy. But there's still stuff that's not technically illegal that's way more powerful than that. Five methoxy DMT. You used to be able to buy it, not for human consumption,

from chemical companies online. You used to be able to buy a fucking coffee tumbler full of it. Yeah, I'm not joking. Meanwhile, an effective dose, 5-MAO-DMT is in more potent psychedelic ounce per ounce, gram per gram

than NN DMT. It's the most potent. What's that mean? It doesn't have the visuals. It doesn't give you the visuals, but as far as like effective dose, it's the most potent. So a small amount can get you fucked up. And you used to be able to buy that stuff. Where pot was illegal, you used to be able to buy 5-MeO DMT online.

And if you smoked it, you just got shot through a cannon to the center of the universe where you ceased to exist. It was a terrifying trip because you absolutely thought you were dead. Like you absolutely ceased to exist and you became one with everything. And it's a very weird non-visual experience. Whereas DMT is filled with all these patterns and this beautiful feeling that you get. The 5-MeO DMT is like this powerful white geometry. is filled with all these patterns and this beautiful feeling that you get the 5meo dmt is like this powerful white geometry it's all just pale white and all these weird sort of microscopic fractal geometric patterns that are sort of dancing around you but all what do you think

is the best invisible like what do you what do you like about psychedelics what do you think um is typically the benefit of the second i think there's a lot of benefits to any experience and extreme experiences give you more benefits you you take in more data knowing that that psychedelic experience is possible just knowing that that experience that you can hit you can hit that note that you can get into that that dimension whatever the fuck it is in a psychedelic experience. It makes you look at the reality that is unchanging around you without drugs. And it makes you go, oh, this isn't all there is.

There's another thing that you can get to really easily. You can get to this other thing really easily. And although it's not regular everyday drive-through Starbucks, stuck in traffic, waiting for your phone call. You know, alarm goes off in the morning. You don't want to get up. It's not that world, but it's still an accessible world that's right there. That's mind blowing. Well, I think what you said, even prior to that is the idea that it shows you what is possible or what is out there. That's, that's to me like the most important element for change in a person's consciousness When you are shown that there is a higher bar or you're shown that there is there are other

possibilities more illuminating possibilities because a lot of times you can live in a world where your Vision of reality that's given to you and that's that you're privy to on a daily basis is so limited that you don't even you need to be shown that there is something higher to aspire to yeah for sure you know what i'm saying and so i think that's kind of the value maybe that's one of the biggest values to quote-unquote education or the biggest value to exposing yourself to experiences like you're talking about? I think both of them are valid and both of them are important. I think you should have like difficult tests. Like I think it's probably good for people to try to run a marathon.

I think it's good for people to try to rock climb. I think it's good for people to go on long, difficult hikes. I think you learn from that just like you learn from education. And I don't think it's, I don't think they're mutually exclusive, and I think they combine together for a balanced person. A person who tries to do and tries to accomplish difficult things along with becoming educated. The problem is that this whole competitive thing that arises amongst people where you want to be the best at something, like we were talking about, which sort of defines you in this way that requires a lot of tunnel vision and it requires you to not be fully balanced and not be, you know, one of the things I had a problem with when I was teaching, when I was to teach martial arts, I noticed that smart people were way more nervous before fights.

And I was like, oh, I see what's going on. They, they're aware of the variables. Yes. Like, whereas these dumb people that you would teach or the people that weren't as smart or weren't as curious They didn't have nearly as much of a problem with competing like this is really fascinating like this the really smart people are aware of Almost too much. Yeah. Well David Foster Wallace in this incredible essay called how Tracy Austin broke my heart What it was it's really a story about Tracy awesome when she won Wimbledon at 14 David Foster Wallace in this incredible essay called How Tracy Austin Broke My Heart. It's really a story about Tracy Austin when she won Wimbledon at 14. And he said then she wrote a book on her experience.

And trying to get a physical genius to describe what they do, part of the reason that they perform so well under pressure sometimes, it's not because they're dumb, but their brain, they don't have the kind of mind that, say, a writer would have, which is to ask a thousand questions, to be introspective to the point where you're, you know, essentially neurotic or going around in a circle. You can't have that. You've got to be able to shut that down. That's why when they ask great athletes to describe what was going on in their mind when they got that ball over the end zone, it's invariably kind of disappointing because they never really know how to explain it what they say is i just knew i had to get the football

cross the line and we just executed and my team was there it's never like this just did this thing recently about climbing this area of yosemite that's incredibly different difficult to pass that guy's amazing what is it what is it it's a it's just was just released i think the video is called heaven, Something Heaven. Yeah. Alex Honnold, Heaven. I bet it's very bland. And he's talking about as he's moving and he's doing these, he goes, I'm not thinking

about anything. I'm just executing. And he goes, I'm just executing the movements. And he's literally upside down climbing this thing thousands of feet up in the air. It's horrific to look at. God damn. When you watch him do that and you're like, well, I don't know. I mean,

I guess he knows what he's doing, and he's done it before, but when you watch him do it, he free solos heaven. That's experiential. It's probably hard to put into words, right? I mean, he's the ultimate experiential guru. A guy who... Yeah, but look what he's doing. Oh my god!

Is he not using ropes no no he doesn't use any ropes is that El Capitan look at no it's heaven this is what it's called but if you if you see how he's

climbing this thing this this one area I don't know what what mountain is it that he's up maybe it is El Capitan is that a mountain I think that's El Capitan

I think that's El Cap dude well anyway what he's doing is he's climbing up it's not straight it's leaned back I know what he's doing is he's climbing up. It's not straight It's leaned back so he's hanging

As he's climbing and he's climbing Thousands of feet above the ground like look at the trees below him there Look at that fucking picture when they find guys that fall off El Cap They can't really find much of their body apparently find out if that's the name of this thing How many posts can he do did you ask him It's a bad situation. Well, it can, but... How many pull-ups can he do? Did you ask him? It's a dumb question, but I want to know. I don't know. Maybe he told me.

I'm so nervous. Did it say what the mountain is? I think it's Yosemite. Can he just carry a small chute on the back of his body, please? Just... Yeah, well, he... No chutes, dude. There's no ch shoots dude there's no shoots there's no getting out apparently it's he knows what he's doing sure and he can do it he's done it before but there's

a lot of free solo climb dudes that see the stuff that he does and even old school climbers they go it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when yeah there was this whole um i hate it television show they did about it where this these old school climber guys were kind of upset with him. They were thinking that what he's doing is taking far too many risks, but he doesn't think so. He thinks he knows what he's doing and he knows how to do it. Well, I would imagine. What's it say, Jamie? I would imagine.

The route is called Heaven at Glacier Point. Glacier Point is the mountain. I would imagine the feeling. By the way, good job, Brian Gallant. I see one piece of stone. I'm like, looks like Al Cap. I rock climbed 10 times. We're both wrong about 100 things in a podcast. feeling, by the way, good job, Brian Gallant. I watch, I see one piece of stone. I'm like, looks like Al Cap. I fucking, I rock climbed 10 times.

We're both wrong about a hundred things in a podcast. All the time. Powerful Jamie here with the Google. I'm sure my uranium one will get, you know, I'm sure they had some small irregularities. Oh, look at that picture. Oh, come on. Oh my God. Look at that picture. That's insane.

Come on, man. I mean, what is that? Is that a 45 degree angle? I don't know, dude. That's horrifying. Is that, Jamie, you would know what is that is that a 45 degree angle i don't know dude that's horrifying is that jamie you would know is that it's close to 45 how does he not get tired how do have you ever rock climbed no it's the most exhausting thing i'm sure you your fingers and hands i mean you get so pumped so quickly that you you you just you literally can't use your hands and i'm talking about he has very fat fingers like it's really interesting

because he's a very thin guy. He did the podcast. I know. But when I was talking to him, I asked him to show me his hands. Because you have fat fingers. Yeah, his are fatter than mine. God damn. And he doesn't have big.

I mean, they're not small hands. What's he weigh, do you think? Very light. Yeah. He's probably 150. Tall? If I had to guess. Probably like 5'11", 6 feet.

How tall is he? Yeah, about that. Wait, you want to date him? Yeah. What the fuck are you doing, dude? No, I just want to know what his body type is. I think he's real light and long and thin and strong for that kind of stuff because he does it all the time. And he just knows how to climb and he knows what he's doing and he stays super calm while he does it. That's one of the things that he emphasizes.

This is him at the very top. See, look how every movement is like really measured. Dude, he's the master. He's the master at that kind of stuff. And he lives in a van. He lives in his van. He drives around and just finds places, parks, and climbs. He's incredible.

He really is. It's interesting. He's a monk, huh? He's a samurai or something. He's a freak, that's for sure. But, I mean, he's made this name by being this guy who does the dangerous, scary climbing stuff that nobody wants to do. When I read that book, The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi, I got the same sense that that was the experiential, like his life, the margin for error in a sword fight.

And also, he said, how you practice has to be almost life and death. how you practice has to be almost life and death like until you're no longer doing it like the the extreme notion of living always on the edge um and that that feels like the exact same path mindset and probably probably result i don't know if god a lot of ways god forbid he dies but but i'd be interesting to see sort of when that becomes necessity or that becomes i guess how you or what you crave this sort of intimate relationship between life and death this sort of like yeah well i think what he craves is doing it like getting succeeding the flow you get into knowing that there's a massive risk behind it But still being able to execute flawlessly. Mm-hmm That's what he craves, you know

And instead of it being a sword coming at him that he has to check instead of that It's him figuring out how to climb a 45 degree face. That's hanging 2,000 feet above the ground or whatever the fuck that is How many feet do you think that is above the ground when you look down you see those trees in the background? It looks like more than 2,000 feet. Yeah, it does. How many feet do you think that is above the ground? When you look down, you see those trees in the background. It looks like more than 2,000 feet. Yeah, it does. How many feet do you think you can climb in a day? You know, because a mile is what?

5,000 feet? 5,000 something feet? No, a mile is 1,334? 5,280. Okay, I'm thinking yards. How dare you? This wall says it's 3,000. That's wrong with yards too, you fuck.

3,000 foot vertical wall. 3,000! 40 foot wrong with the yards, too, you fuck. 3,000-foot vertical wall. Oh! 3,000! 40-foot overhang. So almost a mile. Like three-quarters of a mile up. 3,000 feet above the crown. And that overhang would mean 40 feet. You're climbing out 40 feet.

Oh, my God. Is that what that probably means? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Let's wrap with that. Let's end with that. Let's end with Alex Honhold. You're a bad motherfucker, Alex.

You are a bad motherfucker. You should see how he lit up when Brian was going to introduce him to porn stars, though. He was like, what? You know them? Really? You know porn stars? Yeah. Brian Redman?

Yeah. You ain't getting no pussy up there on the mountain. No. It's hard. Listen, even a Zen monk can fall for those, you know, those curves. That's why they stay abstinent. Massive distraction from your climbing. Oh yeah.

Brian Callen, thefighterinthekid.com T-F-A-K-T-U-Q-U-R-S Calgary this weekend. L-B-G-D-Q-I-A Calgary this weekend. Come see us in West Palm Beach November 11th, 12th.

And on November 3rd, Gramercy Theater in New York City. TFATK.com. TFATK.com for the fighter and the kid shit. That's it, friends. We'll be back tomorrow with Trevor Valley, a paleontologist, archaeologist type dude. He's been on before. He should be a lot of fun.

And that's it, you fucks. See ya! fun and that's it you fucks see ya