The Joe Rogan Experience - #862 - Trevor Valle

Episode Date: October 19, 2016

Trevor Valle is field paleontologist, scientist, and show host. Link to video with missing audio: https://youtu.be/knWCsonQVG4

two one yes yes yes trevor we're here we're back yay two years almost to the day and we didn't even plan it that way no it was weird i was i pulled it up and i'm like oh hey i was here in 2014 wasn't it october shit october 23rd and in two years something's happened to your beard where it's a bright yellow that doesn't exist in nature or it exists in flowers yeah flowers uh it it reacts under black light as well oh yeah my twitter profile picture is under black light um yeah i used to dye my beard crazy fucking colors all the time it was like green purple and blue and all that and uh i did this neon yellow and i've always liked it and the girl i was dating always hated it perfect so yeah run with it it's

my uh my vengeance what is this crazy shirt you got on too what is this uh miscatonic university you know uh cthulhu hp lovecraft and all that yeah uh this company does it well they're called geeky jerseys and they do just radical fucking jerseys so this is like the cthulhu jersey and it's like a wizard jersey too like look at the sleeves oh no it's the the hockey sleeves yeah oh i And it's like a wizard jersey too. Look at the sleeves. The hockey sleeves. Oh, I see. It's legit hockey sleeves. Yeah, it's goalie cut, so it's a little bit baggier. I thought you were a wizard.

But no, they do stuff like they've got Game of Thrones jerseys and all this crazy stuff and they're just like, hey, you do a lot of talks and you always wear a jersey, so we're just gonna start sending you a jersey. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, that's very nice of them. Yeah, because i always wear hockey jerseys when i was in here i was trying to be last time professional with the polo and all that oh yeah yeah not anymore was

that because you were promoting something you had to be yeah i had to be a little bit more clean cut it was like nat geo did they give you like like a mandate there or they give you like like standards of dress and stuff not really but since it was like a pretty professional documentary we were doing right uh it was suggested very lightly by my publicist and she's just like well you know business casual maybe business casual i'm like but i wear hockey jerseys and shorts. She's like, yeah, no. Why not? That's why I'm doing it now, man. Isn't it funny? It's like you're a legitimate paleontologist.

You actually do real research. Like, why do you have to dress like everybody knows your credentials? The thing about that, the crazy thing is, I mean, and there's the whole paleo thing, too. It's weird when you ask somebody, hey, do you know what a paleontologist is? A lot of people say yes. A lot of people go, hey, like Ross on Friends. What's Ross on? Oh, Ross. Ross.

I forgot. I forgot. He was a paleontologist? Yeah. Hmm. Bullshit he was. I know, right? Fucking dude had all that free time.

He's hanging out in a coffee shop talking about nonsense. Yeah, I know, I know, like, R1 position guys at museums that are doing, like, full academics. They would never have that amount of time. They don't have any time. No, zero. Isn't that fucked? It's crazy. You can't be a casual paleontologist. Right.

And I ask them, what does a paleontologist look like? When I used to work at the tar pits i would ask like kids on tours and stuff like that and they're like oh he's got like a hat and a whip i'm like they're describing indiana jones yeah yeah yeah that's what you wear right yeah sure um and i'm like okay well i have a neon orange beard and i'm wearing a lab coat and i'm covered in tattoos do you think i'm a paleontologist no you're like a biker and you're like a biker. And it's like, nope, uh-huh. Here's the stuff. Welcome to my lab. This is my deal going on. You can get away with that in 2016,

but if you were living in the 1970s, good luck. Oh, I would be burned at the metaphorical stake. It wouldn't have worked. No. It's like, because I had long hair and dyed weird colors. You know what's funny, dude? You, uh, you know, like I said, you're a legit paleontologist, but I saw you the other day arguing with flat earth people on Twitter.

I'm also a science generalist. Like, holy shit, dude. You were going to war. It was hilarious. I checked back an hour later. You're still going at it. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah, because you threw it out there.

And I'm like, okay, I see where this is going. Well, someone was calling me a flat earth sellout. I'm like, okay, I see where this is going. Well, someone was calling me a flat earth sellout. The guy was calling me a sellout because I make fun of flat earth. And he's like, I know where your checks are being cashed. Like, what? What does that even mean?

Like, I'm getting a round earth, like, hey, keep a secret, right? Here's your round earth check. Here's the shill organization. Yeah, imagine if, like, everybody in the media was just getting a check to make sure that you keep perpetrating the lie that the Earth is round. The logic behind that. But it's not just fucking flat Earth. It's like flat Earth and chemtrails and creationism and

moon hoaxers and the reptilians. Just all the weird shit, man. The flat one is the craziest one. Everything is round except the Earth. Is that what you're saying? Like, all the videos have all been faked. Every one of them.

Every space station mission that took video. Every space shuttle mission that got video. Every satellite that gets photographed. All that's fake. All of it's fake. All of it. Everything from the beginning of the 1960s when they first started doing this to today. It's all fake.

Yeah. So, I've actually gotten a huge fucking debates about that. But who? Like people on Twitter. And online. Well, and there was one person. God, what was his name? He came into the bar that I bartend at now.

And he was talking about it briefly. And he's like, yeah, you know i i heard you on the joe rogan program it was really cool and you know he's like not really cool with conspiracy theorists and all that i'm like no he gives them like equal time he's like yeah the whole flat earth thing i'm like don't even start man hey he was serious yeah it's these fucking youtube videos that's what it is you watch youtube videos and no one's opposing them while they're talking so they're talking very they're they sound very articulate right they're using all these big words and they're saying things without anybody going what stop stop that's not true and that's the

problem and I both blame them and science at the same time how do you blame science well a long time ago when we had guys like richard hoagland doing the face on mars and crazy shit like that um or like early creationists or flood geology or flatter things way in the way in the back of you know in the backwards time like science would always like shove it off into a corner and go hey see the cranks over there let's ignore them if we ignore them they'll go away and then we got things like comp copy serve and aol and forums and bbss and then they got a little louder then they got access to self-publishing they got a little louder now with social media youtube and all that the same five percent of humanity can get really fucking loud we didn't shut them down early enough, and now

they're loud enough that we have a problem. Well, Hoagland's out of his fucking mind. I watched a whole lecture where he was talking about all of the artificial structures on the moon, and this guy just, he just like arbitrarily measures

the distance between this rock and the point of this pyramid. It's not a pyramid, but he would call it a pyramid. The distance between this rock is exactly the same distance as the pyramid in Giza, the connection to the left foot of the Sphinx. How do you... Why? Why are you making that connection?

You could do that anywhere. You could do a map of a city and just start... The distance between your house and my house is exactly the same as my house to that rock. Oh, yeah. That rock holds special significance. Yeah.

It's like, oh, your house is on a ley line and mine's off that. It's like, no, just stop. It was madness. I watched this whole, it was more than an hour long and I was watching all these ridiculous connections that this guy was making and trying to say that all these structures, that the odds of them being, you know, some sort of a natural, and I'm looking at him like, that looks like a fucking rock to me. And he was saying there's without a doubt that is an artificially created structure absolutely made by intelligent life.

That was the thing with the whole face on Mars when the Mars reconnaissance orbiter started doing the flyovers and then he was getting louder. Why aren't you going to photograph the Cydonian planes, blah, blah, blah, and they're fine. Fine. You know what? Fuck it. We're redirecting the satellite. We're going to do eight passes, high-res photos, the whole deal, and like, oh, look, it's a

mountain. Deal with it. Well, it's a cool-looking mountain. It's a rad-looking mountain. It's weird. It's got a weird shape on the bottom. What's interesting to me, far more interesting interesting than the face because the face was cool in the first picture Because of the shadows and it kind of almost looked like a face and it was also a low res picture from Viking and then

When they got high res pictures you go. Oh, well, it's just a trick of the the shadows and everything What's kind of interesting is what what does happen sometimes in nature you get these bizarre shapes? Oh, it almost looks like someone built it. Like it's kind of on both sides, there's parallel lines. The way it's shaped, it's almost like a created piece. Yeah, look at the hexagonal cleavage at Devil's Postpile or the Giant's Causeway in Scotland and stuff like that. That looks like it's set in, but that's just because it's hexagonal cleavage.

Or that one spot on Jupiter, you know, that one spot on the top of Jupiter? A Saturn? Yeah, the hexagonal, yeah, because of shear winds. Yeah, isn't that amazing? I talked to a friend that works at JPL, and I'm like, what is going on here? It's like, oh, there's different densities of air and shear winds, and it creates this cool hexagonal pattern. That's fucking rad. Yeah, I mean, it's a base. It's an, oh, there's different densities of air and sheer winds, and it creates this cool hexagonal pattern. That's fucking rad.

Yeah, I mean, it's a base. It's an intelligent base. The same guy who puts out those videos about the flat Earth now has a video that you will love, and it's dinosaurs are not real, which is right up your alley. Oh, great. See, I didn't know that you were also, you were not just a flat Earth earth shill but you are also a dinosaur shill oh yeah i'm i'm a dinosaur shill a around i'm a rounder yeah a globe earth shill i work for chemtrail corporations um yeah all these what is the if you could just tell us what is the purpose of the chemtrails what are they trying to do it depends on who's talking because they've got like

19 different fucking stories it's like one it's like mind control the second one is population control the third one is solar radiation management to you know to either make global warming or to stop global warming and they fight with each other all it is is bullshit a hundred percent fucking bullshit it's you can download a it's the same link that uh you retweeted out with the with the when we did the chemtrail back and forth yeah on on twitter um you can get a humidity chart of every day to your location gives you the range of humidity into the stratosphere and you know when a plane will have a contrail will have a persistent contrail and won't have anything it's home fucking citizen science that can be done

yeah i mean nasa has a website where they predict contrails yeah they're super accurate yeah absolutely and i've i've ripped people apart with this and then all of a sudden it's like well you got it from nasa you're nasa shill well you're arguing with 15 year olds probably there's a lot of it no some of them are some of her oh speaking of chemtrails uh i got this for you what is it team chemtrail baby oh nice team chemtrail spray and pray and pray on and off there's an on and off button i'm gonna put this on my car. People are gonna key it. They're gonna be mad. Fucking chill.

It's a weird world we live in, Trevor. It's a weird world. This access to self-publishing, whether it's YouTube or blogs or podcasts. You don't need anybody to tell you, like, hey, man, we just ran a check on your information. Your data's all wrong.

You can just do it. The dinosaur one, this guy made this fucking video about dinosaurs not being real. I'm like, this is goddamned hilarious. Is that the, I think I just, and it's, so my whole involvement with this on Twitter is I'll take that Darwin's fault. I started following. Take that Darwin, the Twitter handle? YeahThatDarwin's fault. I started following... TakeThatDarwin, the Twitter handle? Yeah, yeah. It's a great Twitter handle.

Yeah, at TakeThatDarwin. He has spawned an entire fucking nest of people. There's TakeThatEarth, TheoryFail. Whenever somebody says, oh, evolution's just a theory, he jumps in. Yeah. TakeThatSulk for vaccines. Take that foreskin for like for circumcision. There's like take that science.

He's the general one. Take that etymology. She just does words that people fuck up. There's like this whole group. He spawned this this just psychom, you know, science communication. Hey, look at the specimen idiots. There's like 30 of them. And there's also a take that dinosaurs that does all the dinosaur retreating.

There really are. It's a growing movement where people don't think dinosaurs were real. Well, so it was like last year, the year before, I think maybe, maybe right after I did the show last time there was, uh,

there was this bogus group that started a Facebook thing called Christians Against Dinosaurs. And they put pictures of a protest and all of them were like, oh no, it's big paleo. Like, are you fucking kidding? Oh, that's hilarious. It was a total hoax. So it was like an Onion type deal. Exactly. Parody.

But they started to run with it and just like have a fun time. They found me and a couple other paleontologists on Twitter. Then I noticed their entire protest photo was actually photoshopped from a parking protest, I think, in Scotland. Because there's this one fun little graphic of like no feathered dinosaurs that paleontologists came up with because we're just crazy people and they use that graphic i'm like wait a minute and so i found all the artifacts in photoshop and i called them out on them and they just got real quiet real fast there's a big debate about whether or not dinosaurs said feathers right um yeah but it depends on the dinosaur right so sort of like depends on the lizard versus depends on the bird. Right. Right. Many dinosaurs either have evidence of feathers or they are morphologically similar to dinosaurs with feathers. Like raptors, we have found feather imprints. There's the quill knobs on the ulna where the wings would be.

And we have found theropods the beast-footed dinosaurs with feathers whether or not they all did is the question did tyrannosaurus have feathers not quite sure yet likely maybe as a baby and then when it grew up but i don't know it could be a 14 foot long chicken there's a um a replica of a dinosaur. I forget which dinosaur. I think it's a raptor. And it's at the University or the Museum of Bozeman. Oh yeah, Bozeman, Montana. And they have this feathered dinosaur up on display. It's really kind of interesting because one half of it, they have it kind of split down the middle.

One half of it is covered in feathers and the other other half of it, you just see the actual bones itself. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Like that old invisible human that we had to put together in the 80s. Yeah, exactly like that. Yeah, see if you can find that, Jamie, because it's pretty cool. But, you know, they go with all these wild, crazy colors of feathers. It's almost too bad we can't figure out what they really looked like,

because we're just kind of piecing together their skin texture and just guessing on the colors every once in a while we'll find something awesome like uh there was uh the mummified uh hadrosaur leonardo that actually had skin and organs that like soft tissue that mineralized and all this cool stuff or feather imprints from archaeopteryx yeah or um like interesting looked looking like uh beaked uh beak dinosaurs like aqualops and stuff really cool shit but the problem is it's just it's fossils are rare doing any sort of soft tissue preservation is rare, extremely rare. And all the lighter material just kind of desiccates and falls away. So when we find something like that, it's holy crap.

Yeah. You just shut everything down and focus on it real quick. That's the most fascinating thing about the fossil record to me is how difficult it is to actually make a fossil. Yeah. Most things just rot. Right. Right. It has to be certain certain conditions it um but most people think oh it has to be buried in water and then like turn

you know in sand covering it and all that well that's one way and that's a very common way like a lot of the stuff in montana uh that used to be swamp land with the western interior seaway so dinosaurs like uh t-re and Triceratops, they would get covered in mud and sediment and all that, and the bones would mineralize. The calcium on the outside of the bone would get replaced with minerals in the water and the sand. And then they would get buried in sandstone. It's all cool. But then you've got things that can fall into peat bogs, natural trap caves, tar pits like here in LA, and all sorts of other things that create fossils, which are really cool. So it's not just mineralization through water.

That is hard to do. It can happen quickly, depending on the limestone, the amount of limestone in the dripping. There was somebody like left a boot in a heavily limestone water cave and it calcified like in a matter of weeks but that's not really mineralization that's more like encasement but yeah fossils are fossils are rare to do a fossil is rare yeah that the concept i think also eludes people most people when they a fossil bone, they think that that's the bone itself just really old. And what it is is the minerals have replaced the bone in the actual shape of the bone. I tried to explain that to a friend of mine who had a megalodon tooth. He's saying, this is a megalodon tooth.

And I said, well, it's a fossil of a megalodon tooth. I go, it's not really the tooth anymore. None of the tooth remains. It's just the shape of the tooth. He's like, no, I bought it. It's a Megalodon tooth. I go, it's not really the tooth anymore. None of the tooth remains. It's just the shape of the tooth. He's like, no, I bought it. It's a Megalodon tooth. I'm like, but you notice how it's black? Like they don't have black teeth.

Yeah. See, that's one side of it. And then the other side of it, you can see it like that. It's got like a punk rock hairdo and shit. Yeah. Crazy face. It's pretty dope. I've seen that.

I've actually used the opposite photo in a talk um because it looks like they're humping yeah it was from from one angle and uh i have i have it yep there it is i've used that yeah um i have a i have a talk called that's not a fucking dinosaur and i open up with images of dinosaurs fucking um just because you have to do that just to be fun just to be fun yeah that that is a cool one with all the like the long hair and yeah it kind of looks like the 70s dinosaur and it's like it used to be a roadie for like van halen in the 80s and that kind of thing it's the skid row dinosaur well it's a crazy looking shape and when you see all those colors but again it's just artistic interpretation right right we

don't know and and that's the thing we get a lot of flack for that it was like how do you know it looked like that we don't we know how we know how the bones go together we know where the muscle points are so we can figure out the girth of the muscle the connection points and then you can kind of build out a leg and then we go to town it's like hey maybe they were pink t-rexes could be pink they could have been they could fucking beard color we don't know no idea yeah a couple like feathers and skin impressions and stuff like that we found they may have counter shading like modern day reptiles and mammals and all that they're darker on top lighter on the bottom uharks are a great example of that

because that's hard to see. It breaks up the silhouette. They had some sort of natural camouflage to blend in with their surroundings if they were an herbivore or to hide as an ambush predator. They're animals. We can still see analogs today.

But people want to see, like, how do we know that it looked like this how do we know that it walked like this well we don't know a hundred percent but we can make inferred guesses because we have a shit ton of bones to look at it's pretty much is is there any possibility whatsoever that one day we'll find like an intact T-Rex frozen somewhere? Probably not. Probably not, right? It's too bad. Because, I mean, it's a little different hitting a mammoth that was 30,000 years old, like I did in Siberia,

and a 65 and a half million year old, 20 foot long, like walking death machine. Little, little different. old 20 foot long like walking death machine little little different and there was no there wasn't a whole lot of ice and not a whole lot of uh like polar activity during the cretaceous period that's why there were a whole bunch of like water masses like cutting the united states in half and most of california was the arizona bay that kind thing. So finding an intact T-Rex, like frozen, like, holy shit, look, skin. Likely, well, probably highly improbable. However, there's a possibility we could find something like a mummified one. Like maybe the skin had enough iron content in it and the soil to preserve the soft tissue of the skin and mineralize the skin instead of it desiccating. Maybe there was that one in a billion chance that it fell in the right spot and got covered super quick before desiccating into bone and everything mineralized. Now, when they go on an expedition, say if you're going to Montana,

and you're looking at the great western inland sea and those areas, and you're trying to find some sort of a fossil, how do you pick where you start digging? So we do prospecting. So we know worldwide there's this tiny layer of iridium. It's the Alvarez layer, where the iridium was deposited on the planet when the Shixalub impactor, that seven mile asteroid, hit the Yucatan Peninsula, blew everything up, killed everything that, you know, in conjunction with, you know, volcanism and all that. But first we look at that because we know that's 65 and a half, 60,

you know, 65.6, uh, million years ago. So we go below that. We look in places we've already found stuff. We go to, uh,

quarries and, uh, previous dig sites and previous locations, uh, that we found fossils and we set up camp and we just start spreading out and you walk and look down sometimes for days and you don't find anything. Then all of a sudden you find this tiny little scrap of something, pick it up,

you lick it. If it sticks to your tongue, it's likely a fossil. And then you start looking for more of it. You lick it. Yeah. All the sophisticated equipment. And we lick it.

Radio, spectrum, telescopes and fucking things that go through the earth and we lick it you lick it yeah because the best way to find fossils is from shit eroding from the from the surface it's the best wow and we find a bone we're like okay sticks to the tongue it's a fossil then let's look up slope and we find a bone scatter and then we kind of sweep away from some dirt and like oh holy shit there's a broken bone and then we work our way out sometimes dirt and like, oh, holy shit, there's a broken bone. And then we work our way out. Sometimes it's just what's left of a single element of an animal that has eroded and fallen down the cliff.

And other times you could be on the top of Horse Mountain sweeping something away and you run into a brand new frilled dinosaur. That you never heard of before. Yeah, it's like never seen. Utah Ceratops getty eye named after a friend of mine mike getty uh he's the one that discovered it wow yeah now how many people are out there doing this a lot um during uh during the dig season which is um generally late spring uh to very very early fall.

You've got, let's see, the Royal Ontario Museum had a dig out in Alberta with the Cleveland Museum. My friend Lee Hall did that. You've got natural history museums going out to Montana or Utah, Natural Trap Cave. There's stuff going on in Mexico. So there's like a big community that goes out and find stuff I've gone on on expeditions here and there the the crazy thing is we tend to always go back to the same places very rarely it's I'm gonna just wander Colorado and find a dinosaur I think we need to start doing that though I think we need to start branch that though. I think we need to start branching out. We need to get more people interested in paleo.

We have to recover the paleo job market because it kind of sucks right now. Paleo has been taken over by food. Oh, don't even get me started on that. Please, please. If anyone's on the paleo diet, please stop calling it the paleo diet because it's not. It would be the anthro diet or call it the caveman diet. Regardless, no. Well, people in the Paleolithic, people, they ate grains.

They absolutely ate grains. They ate cut out processed shit. Sure. But it's the wrong name for it. Yeah, it's absolutely the wrong name for it. And yeah, just sorry. Tangent. I fucking hate no worries. But when you when you say pale Yeah, it's absolutely the wrong name for it. And yeah, just, sorry, tangent. I fucking hate that.

No worries. But when you say paleo, that's what people immediately think. Yeah, paleontology. I eat paleo. I do CrossFit. So anytime I mention paleo on Twitter, immediately like five paleo diet bots, like, favorite, retweet. I'm like, fuck.

Paleo diet bots? There's paleo diet bots? Yeah, that they look for the word paleo and automatically like it and retweet it what the fuck's the benefit in that? So everybody that follows those can see everybody talking about paleo man mmm. So the entire paleontology science communication field on Twitter Whenever we do paleo it blows apart. That's why a lot of them are using the English spelling now with an extra a Mmm. How's that where's the a go uh after the l really yeah so it's p-a-l-a-e-o oh that's like tires t-y-r-e-s yeah they use that or aluminium yeah aluminium's a weird color with a u color theatrae yeah theatray. Yeah, theatray. Theatray.

But theatray is what people use. They use that for fancy places. When I perform in theaters, I always have to check to see if it's E-R or R-E. Theatray. Theatray. That's weird, though, is you guys gave in to the paleo people. I think that paleo shit's dying. I think you could just ride it out.

I hope so. Well, no, I think it's been replaced with like gluten-free Well people will mark Sisson has a better name for he calls it the primal blueprint. He calls it a like a primal Yeah, okay. I could see that Yeah, this the the paleolithic connection to no grains is just it doesn't it doesn't jive right because when humans started It doesn't jive. Right. Because when humans started staying still, it was because of agriculture. Yeah. Because they found things like wheat and barley and rye and simple grasses and all that they eat.

And went, hey, if we take this with us, we can plant it. Yeah. Or if we stay put, it seems to be growing here. Exactly. Yeah. And it's like, oh, oh well if we mix the water over there and the dirt over here with these plants look the plants plants spread out it's it's just one of those things it's like yeah we they ate grains they ate yes they ate meat it's like okay

i'm a big dude i drink a lot of beer but you know i have a fairly moderate diet. I don't overdo it. I'm not like snacking on McDonald's and Carl's jr. And eating ice cream all the time or anything like that. You do it in moderation. And that's what they did. They had a different lifestyle. Maybe they could call it the paleo with paleolithic lifestyle diet or the primal lifestyle.

Cause think of the lifestyle, not good luck trying to replicate that it's like fine go out to the sonora desert and do your deal out there because if you're really going to do this diet don't use a car don't use a computer don't use it's like oh it has to be your whole life yeah that's what i'm thinking why just fuck it why not just do the diet no just do it go for it that seems like a lot of work oh hey that one guy did it the year of living biblically biblically i didn't see that there was a book that came out god what was that guy's name

i don't remember uh my ex-girlfriend had the book on her shelf and i always wanted to read it and i never got to um guy lived according to uh biblical, like did not wear clothes. Old Testament? Yeah. So no two cloths? Yeah, no two cloths, like couldn't eat locusts and, you know. Oh, poor guy. I know, because Oaxacan food is great, man.

Oaxacan food? Yeah, Oaxacan food. They do crickets and grasshoppers. What's Oaxacan? It's a region down in Mexico. Oh. Mole. Mole is Oaxacan. Okay. Well, I've had crickets down grasshoppers. What's Oaxacan? It's a region down in Mexico. Oh. Mole. Mole is Oaxacan.

Okay. Well, I've had crickets down in Mexico. Yeah. We stayed at this hotel, and they gave us a bowl of fried crickets. Yeah. It was in the hotel when you got there, like a nice little snack and some fruit. Yeah, they're kind of nutty. Yeah.

It doesn't taste bad at all. No. I served them for a potluck at the Page Museum when I used to work there. I did... Were they a hit? People were weirded out, but they ate them. I did lime chili crickets and a reindeer chili for a Christmas potluck. That sounds good.

Oh, it was great. By the way, nice elk cooking. Thank you. I need to come over and like... I got some elk for you. You want some? Fuck yeah. I got some in the freezer back there.

I'll get you some before you leave. I'm totally down totally down for elk all right because the idea of that is just i love venison i love elk i do like game cooking as well i don't go hunt it cool it's delicious yeah it's the best stuff for you too now there's this whole paleo uh thing like the paleo movement like put that aside like paleontology like this, like paleontology, like this, the word paleontology, it's kind of misunderstood by a lot of people. And I think that the study of the past of trying to piece together all these bones and slowly but surely put together a puzzle of what life was like before people came around. It's really important, isn't it? I mean, isn't it kind of an overlooked and underappreciated aspect of science?

Yeah, absolutely. Paleontology, the study of ancient life. That's our deal. We want to see how we got here, like pre-humans. We want to see what life was like going all the way back to the dawn of time, the beginning of time, the beginning of the earth, because it gives us an idea of how things change on this planet and how things evolve on it. The keys to the past are needed in order to open the doors of the future. I used to say,

if we know how animals acted, the predator prey relationships, different ways that these animals were evolving and living on the planet and how the planet changed because of that. Because paleontology also deals with paleo climate, paleo botany. So like old plants, old climates, geology, all of that. We're looking into the past of this earth. When we're digging in the Ordovician period or uh the cambrian we're looking back we're opening a time capsule 500 million like half a billion years that's rad it's pretty fucking

crazy yeah it's like it's hard to like if you're not if you don't do it if you're not into like astrophysics paleontology geology and stuff like that it's hard to get a grasp on what timescale we're talking about. We as humans are an eye blink in the geological record of the planet. Four and a half billion years old. If you were to stretch that all out, the entire history of the Earth on an 88-foot measurement, we would be the thickness of a piece of paper at the very end. All of human history, 200,000 years of evolution from walking upright and planting shit and

domesticating animals all the way to ISS, you know, in orbit, all of that piece of paper at the end of an 88 foot long ribbon. It's crazy to think about how much went on before us. That's what's so cool about paleontology. It seems like the scale is, for our dumb little brains, it's really difficult to reference it. It's really difficult to put it into perspective. To think of something 65 million years ago, you're like, oh, well, that was a long time ago.

Well, it was so long ago that people used to be moles yeah yeah and here's some weird mole thing right here's another one we are actually closer to tyrannosaurus rex in time than tyrannosaurus rex is to stegosaurus jesus christ yeah that'll that'll mess with head. Somebody told me that we are closer in time, that Cleopatra is closer in time to the iPhone than she is to the building of the pyramids. Mm-hmm. Fuck.

Yeah. Fuck. And this'll weird you out, too. While the pyramids were being built, woolly mammoths still existed on Wrangel Island. Whoa. Yeah. Oh, that's right. There was on Wrangell Island. Whoa. Yeah. Oh, that's right.

There was one place where they were still alive. Around 4000 BC. What killed them on that one island? Either overhunting or dramatic climate change because glaciers were receding and they could have out-competed themselves. And if they didn't have a stable enough population for genetics, you'll breed yourselves out of existence. Is there a possibility there's any species that we thought were extinct that are still kicking around like in the Congo or something like that? Like paleo species?

Well, I mean anything like along those lines. Something from, you know, 10,000 plus years ago that we thought was extinct. Yeah, the rattlesnakes here in San Fernando Valley. Same rattlesnakes. Shit, what's the species name um they they were hanging around the tar pits with saber-toothed cats and all that animals alive today were hanging out back then right um one of the most common animals we found at the pits uh were bobcats and mountain lions no shit coyotes rattlesnakes horned lizards birds that are still kicking around today.

There are species that survived the Ice Age because as the glaciers receded and as the climate changed and as the predator-prairie relationships changed, it's harder for a saber-toothed cat to go after a horse or a rabbit or anything like that, the smaller animals that were able to out-compete them lived on. It's natural selection in a heartbeat. You evolved, you know, the animals adapt to the surroundings that leads to evolutionary patterns, which leads to a species either dying if they're fit too much of a niche or continuing if they're more broad or more focused on the, on the environment that they're, that they're adapting to. Look at the Panda. If we didn't, if we didn't intercede, uh, intervene, pandas would be gone. They eat a nutrient poor diet. All they eat is bamboo. They eat such a nutrient poor diet that they're young. When they birth, they're young, has to crawl up and start nursing they they do basically nothing they're very low rent low energy animals they would have died out but we got involved

should we get involved in that or should we just let them fucking die off stupid pandas figure it out bitch um i mean isn't that natural selection why do we think we're so cute that we need to step in and because we've stepped out of natural selection we can now we have yeah humans have yeah once we started agriculture we removed ourselves right once we started building buildings we removed ourselves hence the flat earth people they didn't die off yeah exactly exactly we're living longer and that it's we're rapidly approaching

idiocracy, man. In a way, we're already there, right? With Donald Trump running for president and all the people that are fucking cheering behind him.

Yeah. And even the Hillary Clinton people. Some of them are crazy too because they're just denying all the crazy shit that she's been involved with. All four of them, all five of them,

including Macmillan, are just what the fuck, man? I'm voting Cthulhu. I want him to rise up that she's been involved with? All four of them, all five of them, including Macmillan, are just, what the fuck, man? I'm voting Cthulhu. I want him to rise up and consume the world utterly. Screw it. Cthulhu for America. Speaking of Cthulhu, did you ever see, you know, there's always been those rumors

or stories of the Kraken, the legends of the Kraken, of gigantic octopus. Did you ever see those fossils that they found of enormous suction cups that they believe might have been a huge octopus-type creature? No, I've never seen that. Yeah, man. I wanted to bring that up to you because this is something that's absolutely fascinated me because I know that they don't have any hard tissue other than their beaks. Their whole body is, you know, they're a mollusk. Yeah.

They're this big fleshy thing well the exception of cuttlefish and ammonites right the you know that that had a shell or had an internal shell that's it yeah you're absolutely right so they have the beak and that's it well they found these huge suction cups um that were fossilized the the you know the image of these suction cups see if you can find that jamie I know we've talked about it before. See these things. Whoa! See, they think that these are enormous suction cups from some fucking huge sea monster. I thought the caption on the image said something about ichthyosaur vertebrae. Let's see here.

I don't know what's on the other side of the room. I'm taking out my sea monster. I'm rearing the bones on a pack. What? The fuck? Mm. Well, yeah, cephalopods can do that. They like to...

Because they're intelligent. They like to kind of fiddle around. Whoa. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Crap, what's his name? Tony Martin, a technologist on Twitter.

He specializes in trace fossils, like footprints and, um, what would it look like if a dinosaur threw up and leave like that kind of pattern and all that? Oh, wow. His books. I'll get you a copy of his book. It's fucking amazing. He would have a field day with that. I would like to know his opinion on that.

I have to ask him. Yeah, there's, it's obviously controversial but we do know that there are some fucking huge squids oh yeah there's so they're finding more and more every day yeah the colossal squid the colossal squid and all that um i was in london do you remember just a few decades ago that was just a rumor oh yeah yeah because we would find scars on sperm whale carcasses and stuff like that i It was like, holy fuck. Yeah. What the fuck is that? And, but, and, and that's the thing, human nature, all of us, especially, you know, you play the telephone game, like you tell a story and then somebody else tells that same, I heard it and blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden,

you know, that was the bass you picked up. and then that was the swordfish you got on the same trip. Yeah. What if what if like these, you know, ancient mariners were pulling up Humboldt squid or like six feet long and dangerous as hell? What if that suddenly got larger and larger? But maybe they also dredged up a colossal squid or a giant squid and things like that as well and that birthed the kraken idea well because humans like to see patterns and things it's just what we do mammoths mammoth and elephant remains that were found near greece they thought were the cyclops. Oh, right.

Because of the head. Yeah. So the ears that would be on the sides would, they thought would, or the eye sockets on the sides, they thought were the ears and the nasal opening for the trunk, they thought was the central eye

because they have big stubby hands, huge recognizable things like femurs and ulmas and radii and fibulas and all that holy crap it must be this giant this 14 foot giant with a single eye the cyclops was born oh that's interesting yeah so we have an ability to take things and just run with it. But it is rad that yeah, way back when like, like in 85, I was 10. And yeah, thinking of like giant squids, I always like 10,000 leagues under the sea. That was my favorite ride at Disneyland before they did the Finding Nemo thing. And that's just awesome. Because yeah, what if there are sea monsters and then you start learning about plesiosaurs and like chlorodon and mosasaurs and ichthyosaurs and all doesn't like fuck there are actually sea monsters and

Then today you've got sperm whales blue whales the largest animal on the planet Basically Krakens with giant squids That's just cool shit man. It is i mean and they think they used to be giant octopus too yeah the real theory is that at one point in time there was a hundred foot octopus and that this hundred foot octopus probably jacked a couple of boats maybe absolutely maybe why would they give a fuck we've only we've only discovered what five percent of the ocean i that's it we know more about the surface of mars than we do our own deep sea. That is so incredible.

It's like we've mapped a lot of the undersea surface. James Cameron has gone down into Challenger Deep and all that cool stuff. What a freak that guy is, huh? Fuck yeah. What a freak. By himself. Yeah, but hey, he's got the money.

If I had that kind of money, it's like if I did Titanic and Avatar and all that. Yeah, I would make my own little bathysphere and go down to the absolute bottom of the earth. But how many fucking people do that? I mean, how many super billionaires? I think he's only the fifth person to ever do that. I think the first two people did it in bathysphere one. And I think two other people wanted to did it after that.

If it goes bad, it goes so bad. Oh, very, very bad. Just the amount of pressure you must be dealing with at the bottom of the fucking ocean. How many miles deep is he? Something like 38,000 feet. Something. I don't know what. So he's in the neighborhood of six miles?

35,000. 35,000 feet. That's so crazy oh my god the deepest part of the mariana trench that is so insane that that's why would he what the fuck is he doing i so i just got back from toronto we're going to be at a cruising altitude of 36,000 feet. That's just shy. Yeah. So if I was over a plane when he was there, so if you took a flight over the Pacific while he was in that water. He's 65,000 feet below you. Yeah. Look at him down there.

What a freak. That's how far he's doing to get away from his wife. That's what he's doing. He's out there looking for monsters. Imagine if he did see something. There's a really fucking fascinating video of these guys. They are in some sort of a Vessel some sort of a submarine and a whale comes up right next to it and checks it out real quick

And it's just and they start freaking out Because yeah Two person submersible to go that deep how the whole thing is those have to be small and very, very thick in order to prevent. Implosion. Yeah. It's like, hey, crush a beer can. That's what happens and everything squirts out. The amount of pressure, 35,000 feet below the water.

That must be insane. Yeah. It's one atmosphere per. Here it is. Check this out. So these guys, they're in this thing. They're tooling around. Having a good time.

Holy shit. Is that a right whale? What is a bait? I don't know, man. But the whale comes closer, too. The whale's right there with them. And then it actually, you can see it like in this. It gets like right up to them.

Fuck, that's amazing. That looks like a humpback or like a right whale or something. It's got like the kind of barnacly, it's a baleen of some sort. What a giant animal. Dude, I've seen them like whale watching like off of San Pedro and Channel Islands and stuff. That would be spooky. Yeah, to be right there. I've seen them, too.

I've seen them off of Malibu around this time of year, right? Isn't it around November that they start? I think the gray whales are coming. Yeah, it's November, January, March, and then the blue whales are like in the i think they're in like spring summer the ocean is such a trip because we're right next to it here you know and like people that live on the coast like santa monica their houses face the water i mean they're facing an alien world and that's a whole world out there that's bigger than the world of dirt and it's just largely unexplored yeah and it's really cool to think about and i used to be a diver i

used to work at the aquarium the pacific way back in the day and even that just like diving off of blue cavern catalina or you know walking out into the surf at leo correa or something like that or doing la jolla or the gulf we are not built for that no and like i don't know how many how many of the millions of people that listen to your show have actually like not swam in a pool but like put on gear in order to survive in an alien environment because that's what it is yeah not just snorkeling like you like a scuba like full-blown scuba gear can get pretty trippy when you're first learning how to do it because you are entirely reliable on this equipment or you will die. You might as well be in space. Yeah.

I mean, you really just going to say that. It's the same thing. Yeah. It's an alien world. Yeah. And the same thing happens. You will suffocate or get crushed or anything like that. or get crushed or anything like that if something goes wrong and you're at depth or you'll pop freeze and explode and like you're all the liquid will boil off your body and out of it in space it's

just horrible shit it's just and we want to go to mars they're out of their fucking mind these people i've been mocking them on stage people that want to go to mars like this there's no reason for that i mean if if tony stark you know aka elon musk um can do it he's gonna do it i think he can do it i think he can do it he's okay when we were kids how fucking cool was it to see like like rockets land vertically in shows and like flash gordon and stuff like that he just did did it. Yeah, he just did it. It was a sub-ordable satellite launch with a cargo ship to the ISS or putting a satellite in orbit and then lands vertically a reusable space frame. That blows my mind. And even beyond that is when the curiosity Rover landed on Mars,

it flew in, did parachute arrow breaking jet, jettisoned everything. And then it was lowered on a fucking crane from a flying, like flying sky crane thing, and then touchdown and then disconnected and flew off. A nuclear powered rover was descended to another planet on a sky crane that was hovering with rockets. This is sci-fi come to life.

It's fucking rad. It's pretty crazy. I mean, we live in the future. I mean, we've got fucking all of the world's information. Like, well, if you have an Apple watch on your wrist It's kind of it's getting kind of weird man It's very weird and all that is only created by people who don't get laid regularly That's the only way it happens if you get it a lot of sex like Dan Bilzerian. He's not inventing any rockets anytime soon

Like Dan Bilzerian, he's not inventing any rockets anytime soon. You have to have massive dedication to your task at hand. And until the moment where it does land, it's probably really monotonous. Yeah, I can see that. Check and recheck. Tesla was celibate. He never. He was crazy. Oh, no, he was batshit insane.

They think that he destroyed his sexuality. That was one of the things that he reported on. He, he fell in love with some woman. Now, what does that mean by destroyed his sexuality? Whether he castrated himself or who knows, or just mentally had a breakdown or something like that. But yeah, he, some of his, his own reports in his memoirs, he only slept four hours a day. He worked straight through for 20. He took notes all the time. Almost destroyed his lab with like an earthquake machine. Weird shit like that.

But in the same aspect of him being completely batshit insane, the reason why we're in the studio right now is because of AC Power. Yeah. That was his deal. Well, he had so many different. Oh, yeah, just groundbreaking discoveries and innovations and in his his initial idea to broadcast electricity Wireless through the air like radio signals that we could all tune into Like Westinghouse was like what? No, fuck you yeah you want to you want to build a

tower how high in new york to do what well he wanted to do it for free he wanted electricity to be free the same way radio is free yeah yeah he was a trippy guy he would have and funny enough a lot of the flat earth jackasses embrace him as like the whole thing and he wanted free energy and all that i'm like yeah by the way all of his illustrations about like wardenclyffe tower and you know wireless energy and all that took place on a fucking globe it did allegedly allegedly in a legit glow i'm sorry i would love to play you the dinosaurs are not real video just do it god See if you can find it. We probably can't play it on YouTube or we'll get pulled, but we can play the audio, right? We'll put

the video up on the screen and play the audio for you and you can just fucking, your head can turn beet red. Smoke's gonna come out of your ears. Because the thing is about these videos, and this is the issue that I have with not just videos but also with blogs. People, you're writing things and you're not being checked as you're going along.

So it's just you broadcasting an idea. It's not a conversation. And because of that, you can give off the illusion of expertise without being checked. Here it goes. Dinosaurs never existed. And by the way- Oh my God, Eric Dubé? This is the flat earth guy

Yeah, the guy that does 200 proofs the earth is flat Everybody has debunked fucking Thousand no no no shills shill. Yes. Yeah shills are listen to this guy Don't you dare mention Ow's name, you asshole. Wrong. Pause. Pause. Every time, pause. Dinosaurs. wrong they they pause pause that pause every time pause uh dinosaurs uh we we discovered marine reptiles and the first dinosaurs about a century before that so that right there eric you're fucking wrong whoops it's like don't bring your flat-earth bullshit into my profession. Now I'm pissed.

Keep going. Yeah, keep this rolling. Mm-hmm. so that's because we can do things like look at modern analogs and see how teeth are fucking made we know if it's a predator or if it's prey we know if it's an herbivore or a carnivore we know how teeth are fucking built even back then even when they're doing naturalistic drawings like this it's like like the the the megalodon tooth on my arm it is a predator it's obviously a serrated is it megalodon or megalodon how do you say it it's it depends your your emphasis can be on a different syllable it's it's both it's not like nuclear and nuclear no no because because it doesn't have two u's um but it's spelled it's spelled the same but it's like dimetrodon or dimetrodon it's the same thing megalodon or megalodon oh god you're

wow yeah keep doing this what is it 20 minutes Fuck you. I'm glad I brought a lot of beer okay okay yeah the reason why we didn't know about things beforehand because we weren't doing shit like wholesale intellectual studies of science when people were building fucking pyramids and stuff like that that's why we have different ages in throughout anthropological records we have the bronze age and iron age and all that because we have to do things like figure out the land around us and when we start finding really old bones like hey this looks like a really big chicken bone what the fuck or this looks like a huge human with a single eye what the fuck we start looking at stuff like that saying just wholesale fucking bullshit like that god damn but that's a that's what a YouTube video is a YouTube conspiracy theory video is oh, I know one person getting to

Spill there's nonsense and they're unchecked. Yes. Why I wanted to play this for you and Response videos can be blocked by the original person they can curate all comments Spots videos can be blocked by the original person. They can curate all comments. They can only allow certain ones through. They can moderate everything. Same with a blog. Same with all of that.

They control their own criticism. There's a guy right now that a lot of the paleo community is going after. His name is David Peters. He's a jackass who's like doing stupid things like all reptiles are mammals and all of these clades should be in this and just all this crap He wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine posted it Which is a violation of copyright because he's attempting to supersede that work by Importing his own ideas to it. He will refuse any critical comments to be posted on his WordPress site. That's really common though.

Yeah. It's really common with people. The war of ideas in the comment section, that's where it's being fought. Yeah. It's because it's an echo chamber. Yeah. It's like people don't look as why do people think the world is flat or why do people think dinosaurs don't exist?

don't look as why do people think the world is flat or why do people think dinosaurs don't exist their google boolean search is dinosaurs don't exist or creationism is true evolution is false the earth is flat chemtrails exist they're creating their own echo chamber and preaching to their own fucking choir yeah and then they have a message board and they go on that message board massive confirmation bias nobody anybody that doesn't follow that line gets booted out. Let's play more of this because it gets better. Because they weren't digging in the fucking earth.

Because they were all dead there could have been you didn't know what it was that's the thing it's like the same thing with mammoth cyclops yeah we didn't know what the fuck it was we didn't know it was a massive you know a massive elephant species we thought it was a giant person yeah when the first animals were discovered in the liberia tar pits uh before 1913 they thought it was livestock that got trapped in there and died then they realized holy fuck cows don't have nine inch long incisors that are you know perfectly evolved to slash open the throats of things and then you started questioning. So the Native Americans and all the people, they were finding possibly scatters of bone and didn't know what it was.

Did the did the northern first people start licking bones and rocks? No, we discovered that, you know, the science as it figures out going, hey, this is porous material. If I lick porous material, it's going to stick to my tongue. Holy fuck, that's a fossil. This kind of just he the problem with you, Eric, is you are starting from an improper position. You are starting on a confirmation bias. improper position you are starting on a confirmation bias you are stating from the beginning that dinosaurs don't exist and you were using paradelia and apophenia the ability for humans to find patterns in order to fit your bullshit and then only cherry pick what belongs

that's that's what that's what he does with fucking flat earth and the problem with this is like i was saying earlier because now the stupid minority has a voice all i don't know how many million people subscribe to his fucking channel every single flat earth dipshit is gonna go 61 000 people okay look at. Look at that 300,000 views. And here's the thing. Check out the comments. The comments. He curates the comments. Thumbs up, thumbs down are almost identical.

Look, 3486 to 3493. Are you kidding me? You son of a bitch. Oh, but I remember being forced to have the same dinosaur toys as everyone. Meh. Yeah, that's because it's called consumerism Flatter if no dinosaur, what's the point in making these? Okay. See good good for you go in there Extremely great research love this very much. Thank you Max Haskins. Don't breed Don't ruin dinosaurs with facts Fuck you They were my favorite animal

Here's another problem His voice is annoying as fuck Oh my god Let's play more Thanks I'm gonna open another beer Cause we didn't dig that's because we find the first one and then we're like holy shit there must be more of these out there and then the bone war started between ogden and marsh you had the mantel collection

with the first iguanodon that was found. And they put it, and they made these really stupid statues and put them in Crystal Palace in London. And Mary Anning, one of the first female, well, the first female paleontologist and one of the first people to actually find fossils, she discovered the ichthyosaur. Mary Anning was the girl from the rhyme,

she sells seashells on the seashore, because that's what she did as a child. And as she was looking for seashells, she found a skeleton of an ichthyosaur buried in a cliff. Whoa. Yeah. Like a kid. I think she was 12, 13. Holy shit. I think paleontology Twitter is going to rip me apart for not knowing the thing.

But come on. I'm hyped up now. He's drunk. He's hyped up. I'm hyped up now. He's drunk. He's hyped up. I'm not, dude, that's one beer. All right.

I've got, I don't know how many you had before you got here. None. We get excited. I've got nine more in there. Um, I'm going to need them. Uh,

yeah, it's just, so Mary Anning discovered, uh, ichthyosaurs. And once you discover something like that, you want to go around the world and say, Hey,

where else is this stuff? Let's go somewhere that no one has been which means north america south america tanzania belize all the things that captain jackass just rattled off captain fuckface god fucking fuckwitted shit gibbon i don't just something i mean yeah i stole that i i stole shit gibbon from a trump thing but shit gibbon shit gibbon one like a monkey like a gibbon i don't just something i mean yeah i stole that i i stole shit gibbon from a trump thing but gibbon shit gibbon one like a monkey like a gibbon monkey yeah ape i think they're technically apes gibbons or apes i think gibbons are apes do they have tails uh no i don't believe all apes monkeys but not all monkeys are apes no apes and monkeys are primates but a monkey is just it's not a technical term, right?

It's not a scientific term. There was an article that was written that was explaining that all apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes. See if you can find that. We'll go to that afterwards. We'll go to that afterwards. Probably, because like... Give me one of those beers.

Okay. Let's keep this rolling. I want to see how deep we can go with this. Eric Dubé character. I don't know. What kind do you like? Whatever you got, man. Have you had a Goza?

Yes, Wayne Grady. This is great that's because there were two paleontologists going at it against each other going i can find the cooler thing no i can find the cooler thing i'm gonna find more shit than you it was called the bone wars ogden versus marsh you already talked about this, right? Yeah. What was underhanded about it? They would sabotage each other's digs. They would try and steal fossils. They were assholes. But because of the competition, it's like a fight.

When you have one dude that, you know, two dudes that have been training all their lives and trying to do the whole thing the more amped up one gets the more amped up the others get it's going to be a fucking just throw down this is what happened on an intellectual and fieldwork scale you had two guys trying to make a name for themselves in a burgeoning brand new field that just wanted to get in and roll and they had direct competition with each other so it's gonna be you know fuck you I'm gonna find these bones first and it got nasty man Wow yeah it's like it think of it as Edison versus Tesla paleontology right except a Tesla wasn't very aggressive he sort of like let all that

shit yeah true true it's very it. Keep, keep this going. Oh, cope. Yeah. Cope. Marsh Ogden. Yeah. Yeah. I said Ogden.

I meant cope. My bad. Mm-hmm. Fuck you for saying supposedly bullshit bullshit not a falsification or fabrication turns out a lot of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered so oh look this sauropod femur looks a lot like that sauropod femur but i found this slightly in a different place so i'm going to name it a new species nope turns out those are both brontosaurs or apatosaurs or triceratops or stegosaurs anything like that um that that that is just an outright fucking lie that he just said.

When things are discovered and it turns out that they're the same, it becomes taxonomically what's called a junior synonym. So, for example, Tyrannosaurus Rex had another name for a really long time. It's totally mega, lot no regardless whatever the first name for it was was technically the first discovered name for it but since tyrannosaurus rex became the more popular the more documented the more thing that became a junior synonym or or an obscure that one actually became what we call nomum obscurum or the obscure name no longer no longer talked about. But that's what happened.

It wasn't an outright fabrication. It was two dudes finding bones of the same species or type of animal, but not naming it the same thing. So that's that's an absolute bullshit. Eric Dubé outright lie. Bullshit. Bullshit. Sue in the Field Museum is not 100% complete, 98% complete, including formerly unknown elements from any other Tyrannosaur. I believe a commercial paleontology group just found like a 99% or almost a 100% complete dinosaur.

We have found entireties or near entireties of animals. So he's right by a very small technicality of one or two percent. Exactly. Exactly. But what he's implying is completely misleading. He's implying that they're finding a shin bone and drawing a dinosaur around it. Exactly. But no, like we will find we can find 70 percent of Tyrannosaurus Rex. We know what they look like.

So, yeah, we will use 3D printing or casting of all that. Many, and yeah, I'm happily admitting this because everyone knows, or at least everyone should know, many dinosaurs in museums are what we call conglomerates. It will be a triceratops. The skull will be real. Maybe the front half of the animal, some ribs, maybe some tail vertebra or the pelvis will be from one animal.

We will have to use casts of other triceratops that we have throughout paleontology in other museums. Many of the fossils you see on display are casts. Now, cast doesn't mean bullshit created on the spot. It means

very technically, this is a cast. It is a replica of an actual existing bone that was wrapped, made a mold of, and then filled with resin painted to the correct color. It is the exact match of a bone that exists. It is not something we are just making up that is bullshit and i hate that when they come in and go oh well look that's like plastic yeah it's plastic it's all well yeah you know why fossils are fucking fragile it takes us weeks to get a single bone out and then it is covered in glue. It is wrapped in tissue paper. Sometimes tin foil. A shit ton of plaster and reinforcement is wrapped around it.

Then it has to be very carefully slid down a mountain on a car hood in one time. Or airlifted out in another. And put in the back of trucks. And then taken all the way to its museum. And then cracked open and then prepared. Everything has to get leafed off it very carefully. And we're adding more glue as we're going. Because if you sneeze wrong on some mineralized specimens, it goes away.

It just goes boom. So you have to work very carefully in a booth with like an aerobrator. So you're shooting extremely fine particles just to get the top millimeter of material off. This is hard, detailed work on things that are 65 plus million years old, that if we're not careful, they fall apart. We are not going to wrap something like that in fucking steel and put it up on a mount, especially somewhere, i don't know

like los angeles where things like earthquakes happen it's statements like that that he makes are just fucking irritating keep it keep it going bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit absolutely bullshit fuck you eric i'm a paleo monitor you asshole i am actually contracted to go out to fucking building sites and make sure fossils are protected and dug up correctly in fact you know what jackass i found a whale in downtown l.a fuck you eric dubay you found a whale i found a whale in downtown l.a fuck you eric dubay you found a whale i found a whale in downtown l.a oh you talked about this last podcast you were talking about how they had a shutdown construction exactly you know why because building construction finds fucking dinosaurs and whales and prehistoric animals you jackass oh fuck fuck you farmers so uh uh sue was found on a guy's farm there have been numerous dinosaurs

numerous prehistoric animals found on a guy's farm by the way there's an entire private area up in bakersfield called shark's tooth hill where they find meg teeth megalodon teeth all the fucking time it's on bakersfield in bakersfield it's on private land farmers builders recreational people yeah hey guess what a couple people hiking in red rock canyon up near palmdale found a trackway from an ancient camel rec wheat recreational people yeah this happens all the fucking time the reason why it's happening more and more lately it's because people know what they're looking for now they understand wow there could be shit out here hey if we're digging a road if we're widening the 99 freeway in fresno holy shit we hit a mammoth or holy shit we found a

whale in downtown la like with within blocks of the 110 freeway in Good Samaritan Hospital. I won't tell you where I can't but yeah I just wanted to see Chris. Yeah, it's just part of the part of the contracts That's that's the deal because if you find something if you find something there you can find more shit Hmm, we found over 400 specimens of shark teeth whales or a ribcage of a whale snails fossil coral because downtown L.A. was underwater seven million years ago. And yeah, that's oh my God, that's fucking bullshit. Oh, keep going. Fuck you.

Found all the time. Bullshit. Bullshit. Meaning trained motherfuckers. oh okay so it's perfectly fine to accidentally find ancient scrolls or silver denarii from the roman period or a never before known pyramid in south america oh no that's cool you know why because humans fucking made those but it's completely out of the norm for some kid some nine-year-old kid to be walking around montana and find a mummified hadrosaur because i, I don't know why he made that distinction. That's a weird comparison.

Yeah. It's more plausible to find the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran than it is to find a megalodon tooth in Bakersfield. That doesn't make any sense. No, no, it doesn't make any sense. He's anthropomorphizing this, and he's using an absolutely invalid argument and a logical fallacy. He's trying he's

trying to it's absolute false equivocation he's trying to go oh well you know you can't find this stuff because it's super super old but you can find this stuff because it's younger and it's humans and you know people live there so we'd expect stuff there well guess what asshole there's 65 million years of difference between humans deciding to write shit down and go hey uh there's a day and a night that means something's ruling the day and the night god's religion and industry and all that and dinosaurs eating shit 65 million years you we were tree shrews and moles we didn't we weren't building shit we weren't writing stuff down such

a false fucking argument god this guy's a jackass no it wasn't no it wasn't. No, it wasn't. Because we found a bunch of shit there. Like Dinosaur National Park. dinosaur national park. Stop saying allegedly, you son of a bitch. Yeah, because it's a fantastic site

oh oh oh really really hey guess what eric i ran a lab that we had three and a half million specimens from the ice age that goes back 90 000 years so the labrea tar pits the largest ice age mammal collection on the fucking planet and this stuff isn't mineralized it's actually subsumed with asphalt keeping the uh all of the calcium and everything intact. These are actual bones. When we find a saber tooth cat tooth, it's the physical tooth of the animal, which is kind of freaky to think about.

But, but, but saying that it's like, yeah, we find a lot of shit in places, the river of death in Alberta when they're digging the pipeline. Um, I don't know.

Mammoth hot springs. erda when they're digging the pipeline um i don't know mammoth hot springs there are things called death traps and predator traps and sinkholes and natural trap caves and i don't know entire sand dunes falling on things while they're fighting the dueling dinosaurs it's a protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in mongolia because a fucking sand dune fell on them while they were tussling around because the v-raaptor wanted to eat the thing. That's a rad specimen, by the way. You know what's interesting about this guy is that he knows so much. His knowledge of the history of paleontology and of researching dinosaur bones, he knows so much. I call bullshit on that. What I'm thinking is that he's reading from a script that he cobbled together on fucking wikipedia i challenge him

to go toe-to-toe with somebody in the business i don't know like me and go okay start throwing dates start throwing specimens i will fucking own you but but you know what i'm saying i mean he's he's obviously he knows all these people he knows about the bone wars he knows he's obviously he knows all these people he knows about the bone wars he knows who's in charge of all these different simple google search of largest dinosaur thing found okay i'm going to write these three things down on this manila and on this manila fucking i understand that i'm not saying that it's it's impressive and that it's conclusive evidence i'm saying it's it's impressive that this guy has done this much research but yet still has this ridiculous idea and he's using this. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. He's using

all this data that's actually factual about how many different people found how many different things and he's decided this is proof. And all he does is put allegedly in front of it. Yeah. It's like, no, sorry, over 6,000 specimens were found there. Let's keep going.

Let's keep going. Let's keep going with it. Why do you think it's called the Dinosaur National Monument now? It's Keope a actually yep it was called the tiniest Giants exhibition what the fuck? Wrong. Concentrated planting efforts. What did they plant? What were the things that they planted? There's dinosaur bones that they planted?

What were the dinosaur bones made out of? Like resins. So that is actually an argument with these jackasses. It's like, okay, so big paleo, the big paleontologist, people like me. Big paleo. Big paleo. Like big phontologist, people like me. Big paleo. Big paleo. Like big pharma. Yeah, like big pharma and big they and, you know, all that. We're a big podcast, Jamie.

There you go. We're a big podcast. We're an industry. So they say, they, not in the black man, you know, black helicopter they, but they, as in the detractors, state that paleontologists, like me, will create a fossil, whether it's like a cast or we'll just make one up. And on these expeditions, we go out and we actually bury it and uncover it and make the news and all that. Well, if that was true, Eric, why is it that when we find something, say in, I don't know, 2008, it's not usually written about until, say, 2012. And that's just a single note in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I guarantee you've never read.

Or it's done as a poster at the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I which i guarantee you've never read or it's done as a poster at the society of vertebrate paleontology which i will absolutely guarantee you've never been to and then the fossil is still in prep at that point we haven't done all the research on it it's still undiscovered fossil found if we are going out and investing all of this money in order to make these fakes and bury them and pay all of these people to shut them up and huge excavations like that. We would kind of want to recoup that money as fast as possible and immediately dump it to the news and get paid for spokesmanships and all of that. But we don't. We suffer.

Natural history museums are some of the lowest donated to institutions on the planet. Art museums are generally number one. There are people that get laid off all the time from museums. Museums close. If we were making all this money and making all this fame, why are there paleontologists out of a job? Why do I know a dozen monitors that don't have work right now? Why are there museums that have problem actually getting a budget to get an excavation going? That they have to use private donors. That they have to use their board of directors. That they have to go from a county museum to a foundation non-profit.

Non-profit. This is such a line of fucking bullshit that, I mean, that pisses me off because his simple statements are looping in thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all of that worldwide. This would be one of the largest conspiracies ever, other than, I don't know, moon hoaxes and NASA. Flat Earth. Flat Earth and shit like that. That's the other one he does. Yeah, that is the other one. Keep going. Son of a bitch. What, the

non-profit business? Okay, Eric. okay eric um if that's true uh then why do dinosaurs become passe why does somebody like me who has been on i don't know 13 14 different television shows talking about paleontology geology and all that i have pitched dinosaur like live dig stuff to bbc and all of that i'm consulting on a couple projects right now unfortunately i can't name them but uh dinosaurs become passe very very quickly because people are like oh cool new dinosaurs found yeah big deal or oh whoa brontosaurus is back yeah whatever but the mainstream media as you said is just like they love a dinosaur story but that's bullshit that's absolute bullshit when was when was the last like dinosaur documentary

yeah there was um uh uh what was it called autopsy of a t-rex with uh my friend tori and uh that that okay that was a speculative science show it was like what happens if we found a T-Rex and cut it open and do an autopsy? That was a hit. And then paleontology TV died again. Two years ago, I had a two-hour National Geographic documentary about digging up woolly mammoths in that. It aired a night. There was a little bit of press. Fucking done.

The production company that did the the the thing with nat geo is out of business now just done it's like really we're we're pressured and to get this money then why aren't we making fucking more why eric am i a bartender in addition to a paleontologist in addition to somebody that's on tv if i'm making all this big pharma or sorry big paleo fucking money if i'm such a shill okay yeah is that why i'm a month behind on my car payment right now is that why i'm trying to scrape together rent fuck you it's getting aggressive oh i'm very aggressive fuck these guys aggressive oh i'm very aggressive fuck these guys wait but wait wait wait wait wait the bandwagon effect and the and and crowd behavior like flat

earth bullshit okay we're only seven minutes and 53 seconds into a 29 minute video oh fuck all we don't have to keep going. I don't want you to get too mad. I think you kind of made your point. Yeah. You can pull the plug anytime you want. But now, it's like one of those Twitter arguments, man.

Now I'm getting invested. I know. That's why I wanted to play it for you. You fucking troll me all the time. Because we follow each other. We DM each other. And all of a sudden, in my feed,

it's like, I have you on note because we're both verified. It pops each other and all of a sudden in my feed it's like i have you on note because we're both verified it pops up and it's just like joe rogan is tweeting about flat earth i'm like what fuck and then just go for it it's like you're i mean like you know the podcast and like flight commentary and ufc stuff and like with your with like triggered coming out and all that that's one thing when you rile up the cranks man you're just like you're at the same level just actually you have like how many followers do you have like two million right like on twitter uh uh tdt uh take that darwin like 10 maybe 15 000 i get the same level of riled from both of you Fuck man It's like we need to fly him out

And have him on the show This guy? No no Eric Dube Take that Darwin He would be rad Fuck Eric Dube if he's ever on the show I want to be outside waiting with a fucking baseball bat Oh how rude

You want to be violent with him? Almost Don't you want to talk to him would you love i mean i think you could gain a lot from sitting down with a guy like this and just sort of picking him apart because you would realize what he was wrong about and instead of him being able to just spout off on a youtube video he would be checked at every step of the way whenever he said something incorrect yes but the problem is the only reason why I would do that. He will never change his mind Well, he's probably crazy. Well

Duh, he's absolutely crazy. But Think about it right now You have 4 million subscribers that now know this video exists that know eric dubay's name that know that paleontologists Can get riled up by this guy They're now going to go look if any one of your listeners is on the fence about dinosaurs why would you be but you could have some those are the people that i would have to try and convince i will never convince him i will mock the living shit out of him until he wants to put himself into a chipper shredder but i will never convince him it's the and that's

that's the thing so all you psycom people out there we don't do it to try and convince the big mouthpieces for these movements we're trying to go for the people that aren't quite sure if we embarrass the living fuck out of these people those people will go wow those guys are idiots why did i even consider that the world is flat or that dinosaurs didn't exist or creationism exists or chemtrails or nibiru fucking rogue planets and shit like that wait a minute don't talk shit about nibiru seriously don't don't even dude don't even i just had a well the anunnaki were definitely real and they definitely came, and they definitely made people with monkeys. I've seen clay tablets with the drawings. They knew.

They had wisdom. Yeah, and Nancy Leader with the implant. I don't know who Nancy Leader is. Oh, my God, really? No. That's like the... School me. That's the Queen of Nibiru.

Oh. So, like, since, like, 1993 or 1995 or something like that, she's claimed that the Zaytans that know about Nibiru and all that put an implant in her head and she's the only one that can talk to them. Imagine if it was true though. Imagine you're sitting here mocking her. Meanwhile, this bitch has got an implant in her head. She's talking to aliens.

And you're like, yeah, you think it's real and she's like i've got a message well the thing is they've been wrong so she is she actually made a prediction and was totally wrong on it well maybe maybe they're trolling her well i mean why would they tell people what's gonna happen and what's going on they don't give a fuck we're like monkeys. They're like little monkeys with a lighter. True, true. And that's actually their argument. Their argument. But if you do the math, so this rogue planet supposedly has like a orbital period of 3600 years and it goes out, I think it was like 50 AU or something like 50 distances from

the Earth to the Sun. Yeah, the orbital velocity of that would be in excess of 42.1 kilometers a second, which is the escape velocity of the solar system. Any sort of gravitational, uh, uh, uh, protuberance that, uh, or, uh, sorry, a problem that would have as it approached, I don't know, Pluto or the, uh, or the QPA belt or anything, the Oort cloud or anything like that. The slightest bit of gravitation would launch it out of the solar system on a who the fuck knows where it's going trajectory there's no way a planet the size of fucking neptune is cruising in and right behind the sun on a counter orbit to us so according to them the earth has stopped rotating it stopped orbiting. It is now just wobbling back and forth. And there's going to be a physical pole shift of the fucking planet. Oh, this lady?

Yeah, this is the Nancy shit. But there is a planet. There's something that they found that's outside the Kuiper Belt, right? There is something. Some object that they believe is four times plus larger than the Earth? That is because of outer orbits of outer material wiggles just a little bit. Whether it's a twin sun or a dark star or a Neptune-sized planet or anything like that, we don't know. That is all speculation.

Right. It's like, I'm going to JPL next Wednesday for a tour and talking to people. No one knows because no one's discovered. The whole Planet X thing, everyone's like, Planet X was discovered. No, it wasn't. Or Planet 9 or whatever the fuck they're calling it now. It was not discovered. It was theorized.

There's a huge difference between hypothesis, a theory, and a discovery. A hypothesis of, hey, shit's wiggling. That means something may be out there. A is hey we found something we have the facts to back it up we are establishing a scientific theory in between those you have the discovery of fuck we have an image of the planet or hey we see it transiting something it's like right now it's just a theory there's no image of it but they it's just a hypothesis is There's no image of it, but they... It's just a hypothesis. It's not even a theory. They also know that the way the Kuiper belt responds and then the galactic shelf, the way it ends, it seems to indicate something of a large mass that's outside there.

Absolutely. They think it's some insane orbit, like a 33,000 year orbit, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Not a 3,600 year orbit or anything like that. So it's really, really, really far away. And it's really, really far away. And it's not, it wouldn't be a binary system because nothing's like figurating through.

Right. Who knows? Maybe Halley's Comet is. Maybe, maybe, just maybe. I don't know. I'm not an astrophysicist. Maybe on its 75 year trajectory, it's flying so fast it goes all the way out and flings around and comes back.

Who knows? I mean, well, JPL and guys like, I'll ask Fred on what, what are you doing Wednesday it goes all the way out and flings around and comes back who knows i mean well jpl and guys like i'll ask fred on what are you doing wednesday morning by the way i don't know we'll talk about it after the show cool deal i might be going with you right on that would be fun yeah private tour jpl fuck yeah that'd be exciting i know the mars cartographer does it sign shit about someone tell them about fake dinosaurs and shit probably have to be a shill for the flat earth? Depends if we go in the clean room or not or see the Mars yard

where they fake the Curiosity rover. I have a friend who doesn't believe in satellites. Oh yeah. Satellites are low flying planes. Have you seen that one? Eddie Bravo. Yeah. By the way, Eddie, guess what? I brought a chemtrail sticker for you too, buddy. He still hangs I brought a chemtrail sticker for you too, buddy.

He still hangs on to that chemtrail one hard. So my friend, I was in Atlanta for a convention, and my friend Tommy listens to your podcast. He's got the awakened primate tattoo. I think I sent you a text with a picture on it. Okay, cool. He's like a really cool dude. And he's like, really cool dude and he's like dude did you hear the eddie bravo broadcast i'm like no he doesn't believe in science he

doesn't believe in dinosaurs he's going fucking chemtrail like what are you talking about so we're in his defense he was quite drunk oh yeah i i get that but but you get kind of loose and you know your inhibitions get down well Well, he gets excited about secrets. Yeah. He gets excited about secret societies and, and, and, and these conspiracies.

And this idea is very attractive to him. The dinosaurs aren't real. It's all been a scam. They've been lying to us, bro. He doesn't believe in science cause he can't do it. Stuff like that. Well, it it's a it's a pattern of thinking that's attractive to a lot of people this pattern of thinking that you're going to uncover some hidden truths yeah because

you can be that person you can be that famous person it's like hey everybody guess what happened to geraldo when you opened al capone's vault anybody remember that yeah well that was a chance but it's the same thing or opening but that's but i mean not really because al capone's vault. Anybody remember that? Yeah, well, that was a chance. But it's the same thing, or opening, but that's... But, I mean, not really, because Al Capone's vault was a real vault. True. And who knows? He could have got in there, and then it could have been something innocuous, like old whiskey, or there could have been something cool, like a murder weapon.

Yeah. I mean, who knows? But it's along the same lines, is you want to be just like scientists. Kind of. We want to find something that's never been found before and name it after ourselves or a lead one or really cool scientists of the past and discover a new species or discover a new planet or send a fucking rocket to Mars. We want to do that too. But it's when you get into the idea of I want to do that and I want to take them down. That's when we have the problem because you're not using and everybody wants to say that they're critical thinkers and all that.

You're not. You really aren't. I'm sorry. Any of Joe's listeners that think of any of this shit, you're not doing critical thinking. You're cherry picking. You're finding patterns to fit your model you're not looking at contrail science you're not looking at simple simple proof of curvature you're not looking at the fact that museums exist i think the earth is flat but it's kind of like got like a hump

i think that's the thing well that's like a little bit of a hump to the Earth. I would like to make a very public challenge that any flat earther advocate, if you show me a photo of Polaris with a timestamp and GPS coordinates of Australia, I'll believe flat Earth. What does that mean? So, Polaris is the northern star. If we think about a flat Earth, North Pole here, flat Earth, ice wall, blah, blah, blah. Got it. Polaris would be directly above the northern star. If we think about a flat Earth. Okay. North Pole here. Right. Flat Earth, ice wall, blah, blah, blah. Got it. Polaris would be directly above the North Pole.

Right. Australia would be over here. Okay. It would be able to look up and see Polaris at night all the fucking time. If it was flat. If it was flat. Because it's a globe. Because it's round.

And the poles are doing this. Polaris is up here. Hey, guess what? You can't see through the fucking earth and see Polaris. What is this Jamie? It's a version of the Flat Earth that Mm-hmm, they think might who's they one of the Flat Earth serious? So this is what they think it is It's like a dip in the middle. Yeah, and if you go further out, it's a scoop. Why would it be like a cigar ashtray? This is what it is like a cigar ashtray that's floating in the sky? That's based on biblical because you have the, quote unquote, four corners of the earth held aloft by angels. Your flat motion is through space.

Totally logical. Yeah. Where are the penguins? Above or below? All around. All around. But are they in the north of the south pole that's the problem so yeah um pull up oh that's what it looks like that that's one of them um that's cool that's

a good one that's a fun one it's like turtles all the way down it looks like a chocolate chip yeah oh yeah okay yeah go so i want to what okay. Flat earthers. What's on the other side? How come we can actually, and they say no flights over the South pole. Bullshit. There are, there are absolutely flights over the ice continent. It's like none of the travel times of aircraft work on a flat earth. But is it disturbing to you? Cause it's disturbing to me that this was not an issue three years ago. You never heard about this three years ago.

Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, there's a bunch of people that I get. If I make a tweet about the flat earth or mock something or put up a video, I will get hundreds and hundreds of fucking morons. I know. Yeah, you know, because you've gotten into it with them. Sometimes I do it, and when I see you in there, I go, yes. I know it. I know. Yeah, you know, because you've gotten into it with them. Sometimes I do it, and when I see you in there, I go, yes. I know it. I know it.

I know I can move away. I'm waiting for the text message of like, hey, Trev, check my feed. I just let it happen, man. If you want to look, it's up to you. I don't want to bait you in. No, I'm going to have to turn off notifications from you. I love you, man, but wow. I love you, too too but it's fun to

watch you squirm you get mad i get i get because it's your business yeah science ignorance pisses me off science nile irritates me what should it should yeah because i'm sorry you have no right to be stupid in the modern age you have all of the fucking answers in the palm of your hand what's that oh yeah that's pretty dope. What do you got there? Oh, Hydra from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Hail Hydra. You're a grown-up kid.

No, dude. Oh, shit, Twitter. Wow. How many notes? I'm not even going to look at my notification right now. Don't even look. They're getting mad right now. Cobra and Decepticons.

Yeah, come on. You're off the deep end. I'm Gen X. I understand. My license plate's Decepticon. Oh, all right. Now people know. That's fine. I've posted pictures of I understand. My license plate's Decepticon. Oh, all right. Now people know. That's fine.

I've posted pictures of it. All the flat earth people are going to be absolutely fucking searching for you. Run my plates. Come to my address. We're going to find him and present him with the truth. Come to my address in East Hollywood. Go ahead. We're going to confront you with flat earth reality, bro.

Yeah. You're a shill. You're a flat earth shill. a dinosaur shill. What a big pharma because vaccines are vaccines are important big pharma shill Yeah, I'm apparently an atheist shill because creationism bullshit What else a NASA shill for both moon hoaxing and Nibiru? a NASA shill for both Moon Hoaxing and Nibiru. Yeah, so I freaked a lot of people out because when I got my

sticker pack and all that from the Team Chemtrail guys, I also got patches and a challenge coin. What's a challenge coin? Like a military challenge coin. They have it for Team Chemtrail too. On one side, it's this logo. And the other one is, if you can't beat them,

bury them. The element, bury them that they think is in Chemtrails. They think it's this logo, and the other one is, if you can't beat them, bury them. You know, the element, bury them, that they think is in chemtrails. Ah, they think it's being sprayed. Yeah. So it's just one of those fun things, because I like mocking the shit out of these people. I had to interview one of those guys that made documentaries about it, and he was showing me proof. He was like, what in the world are they spraying, those documentaries? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He had proof from this lab that he had uh gotten these tests of this water yeah yeah and the water it was crazy because he was saying you know that this water shows proof that aluminum is in the water and they're spraying aluminum in the sky and then it lands in the water what he tested and that has been debunked um mick west has ripped that shit apart on uh on metabunk and uh i debunked. Mick West has ripped that shit apart on Metabunk. I debunked it right there and then. It was rain and aluminum exists in the fucking... Well, not only that, what he tested was sludge. Really?

The laboratory results said sludge. So I said to him, I said, it says sludge. He goes, no, I gave them water. I go, okay, but the lab says it's sludge. That means it's an amalgam of sediments and all yeah dirt yeah so aluminum is one of the most common things you can find in dirt so your dirt tested positive for dirt and you think that's proof of chemtrails yeah and the dude was just like just shut down i need to watch that one i'm thinking trying to find some way out of it that

didn't exist i'm like i'm trying to be open-minded here but what you've done here is nonsense yeah all of all of them are nonsense they find one tiny little fragment of something that fits in their fucked up worldview and wrap their entire paradigm around it and they make videos and they make videos and then they monitor the comments and delete anyone who disagrees with them or they are enforcing an echo chamber of bullshit self-awareness i mean yeah you're not woke as fuck i'm sorry i love saying that though well yeah no because there's a way there is a way to be woke as fuck okay please tell me how well okay look at you dude you're fit as you're fit as fuck you um the entire point of your podcast is you're interviewing people because you want to know things you constantly look for

information that is noble and you make informed decisions. You use, you know, you use substances to get into states. You are healthy. You work out. And the entire fact when you start doing commentary for UFC, you wanted to know what it was like. So you started training. You started working out. You're embracing the ideal of learning. That is woke as fuck. of learning that is woke as fuck you are having massive conversations with people about every conceivable topic that's woke well i appreciate that but i gotta be honest i secretly wish that bigfoot was real that's okay i secretly wish that nibiru was real that's fine i would be rooting for this lady with the chip in her head to be right right but that's why i'm that's why i'm doing that history channel show doomsday we get we get questions like hey what would happen if an asteroid hits the planet that like the same size that killed the dinosaurs if it hit hit right now last week was the rogue planet episode what if a planet the size of jupe of uh neptune rolls into the solar system on a collision course of Earth. We're fucked. Yeah. Well, the first three episodes were fucked.

Asteroid, we're fucked. Black hole, very fucked. Neptune planet, super fucked. What are we not fucked by? What are people worried about that we don't have to worry about? Possibly nuclear war. Depends on the size of the war. If it's like a low yield one between a couple nations, yeah, you'll have millions if not

billions of dead people. Likeian pakistan yeah um or you know everybody in state of israel versus uh anybody out like iran that uh may have some that that kind of thing or north korea and everybody else um depending on the scale if it was like superpowers, like old school war games, fucking Cold War, Khrushchev, Kennedy shit. Yeah, we're all screwed. And yeah, you're just you're done. Population falls below 10,000 people. We can no longer propagate the species. We are fucked.

But if it's a low yield one, yeah, millions, maybe a billion people will die. Then you've got the fallout. Then you've got the possibility of winter. And then you have the possibility of things like radioactive rainfall and all that. But there's a possibility we could survive. Maybe we can adapt. We're pretty good at adapting. That's the cool thing about humans.

We are tool using primates. If I was Hillary Clinton, I'd be looking to bomb people right now. I'd be like, this is it. Low yield. That's how we do it. Low yield war. I'd be like, this is it. Low yield. That's how we do it. Low yield war. I like what he's saying.

I'm not a fan of the whole idea of war or nuke war or anything like that, but I understand the basis behind deterrence. Well, it works. It has worked. It's worked since Oppenheimer. That's the problem with war in general. War works. Yeah. It's not ineffective.

It's not like we're going to go to war and everybody dies. No. Everyone gets disease and civilization crumbles. No. You can make some advances. Yeah. Only on completely lopsided wars like genocide in Rwanda or genocide in Croatia or genocide in Turkey.

Things like that. Those are horribly lopsided. Or, I don't know, World War II, what he all decided to do to, wow. I won't even say his name. The Hitler guy? Yeah, exactly. Will you say Trump's name or you won't say Hitler's name? Do you think they're the same?

Not yet. But, yeah, it's like, I wonder if he'll sue me but hey trump you're a demagogue read the ninth book of plato's republic uh you are basically illustrated in it and you are the most unfit person to ever run for president and that includes like dudes like these nuts and all of that you're a fucking joke and but who's deez nuts on a real guy right deez nuts yeah there was some guy that was like named himself deez nuts and like said i'm running for president and all that or like the time cube guy ran for president once and i'm hoping that what's going to go on with this election is that trump is it's so ridiculous

that a guy like him got so far with as much baggage as he has, as much skeletons in the closet, as much not paying taxes, fucking over small businesses that, you know, small contractors that work with him, the bankruptcies, all the craziness, all the pussy grabbing, all that. I can't fucking believe so crazy so over the top off the deep end crazy that i wonder if like maybe this will be the birth of a more uh a more competent form of government like slowly but surely this battleship will make some turns because of what we've seen here i i think so because interesting like billy bush is leaving the today show because of those comments in the video yet trump is still running for president well billy bush didn't say anything and he's getting 10

million dollars yeah you hear that yeah how is that he donated it already he said why because he would women were hating him already well they're hating him listen let me let me tell you something ladies as much as i deplore anything that donald trump said in that video about pussy grabbing and all that crap if i was on the bus with him and it was just me and donald and we didn't think we were being recorded and he started talking crazy like that i'd let him go i'd let him go i I'd let him go. I wouldn't check him. You know why I wouldn't check him? Because it's not my responsibility. Alright? And he's talking

crazy. And when people are talking crazy, sometimes I want to hear. If someone wants to tell me that they've been abducted by aliens, they've traveled back through time and their DNA is being propagated on other planets and the reason why is because they're from a select group of humans that have existed since the beginning of time

and that their DNA, even though it looks like everybody else's, is different. I'll let that guy talk. Well, yeah. Just like I'll let this pussy-grabbing asshole talk. He's not responsible. He's a fucking host of a television show. He's sitting next to a crazy man who's talking about grabbing pussies. You just got to let that guy talk.

Like, for them to fire him for that or be mad at him for that a little heavy-handed but oh he's definitely well he him yes yeah but i'm saying the billy bush guy yeah no no that's that's what i'm saying he didn't do anything but the thing is i'm the kind of person that would check that would you you? Yeah. Would you step in and go, hey man, don't pussy grab. Oh, dude, okay. Wouldn't you want to hear him talk though? He's so crazy. Wouldn't you want to hear him keep running? No. Those people need to shut the fuck up.

Well, I'm a centrist. I'm a registered independent voter. I'm a centrist. I'm an equalitist. It's like, I was gunned for McCain for a while. Until Palin came along? Yeah. And then he had his weird little meltdown. I'm like, no. Hey, now.

Oh, yeah. Don't you know? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. I can see Russia from my porch. She didn't actually say that, right? That was an SNL thing, right? She kind of said she could see Russia.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, she was kind of talking about it. I always thought that was like a tina fey like snl thing and then they like it ran into and it became that whole that whole deal she was wonderful she was one she was wonderful because she was like the first example of this anti intellectualism on display but other than bush of course but running for president running to be the king of the world and like being one of us, being one of us.

Right. We're all together. The working class folks, the blue collar, Joe Lunchbox. Yeah. And all the cosplay triets got right behind that. war medal of honor playing motherfuckers that have like like ar-15s and like yeah we're gonna go take over a uh you know a wildlife reserve up in oregon and all that these are the people that are behind trump right now yeah that that oregon stuff was very confusing i had a i had to really pay attention to what's going on with that you have to pay to use federal land to graze your

cattle on they didn't want to pay. Yeah. It's our land. It's the United States government. The entire United States people own that land. Yes. And the BLM is the recognized authority in order to monitor that land. And the BLM is one of the lowest paid divisions. So they need those licenses and fines and all that in order to function and in order to do things like build fencing and allow places like all the national parks and blm land

and all that in order for us to enjoy that yeah exactly it was a very confusing argument the argument they should be able to graze for free was very strange yeah it's like how are you not why should you not be able to pay your way? Because they're the weird constitutionalist sovereign citizen shit. You're looking at the federal lands. They are, without a doubt, a national resource, right? Yes, absolutely. Federal parks, it's a resource.

And in those resources, you're going to have food for animals. And this is what these animals are grazing on. Well, that also gets in the way of all these other wild animals that we protect, like buffalo, like the American bison. They need those. And here's what's really crazy about it. They're killing bison in large numbers, and they're culling them in Yellowstone. And one of the reasons why is because they will escape. They will leave the park's borders and go into these areas where traditionally cattle

have grazed. And they're so big and so robust that they sort of devastate these areas. And then it affects the cattle market. Paleontology came across that too. Did you? We think that a couple researchers have considered that the expanse of the antique bison bison antiquus and the longhorn bison pison lana france when they came across the Bering Sea and got into North America

with the recession of the glaciers they out competed mammoths they out competed a lot of natural grazing herbivores because they eat faster. They're larger. They breed quicker. They can basically terraform an area of, they can eat saplings from trees and grass. They can drink mud and get hydrated. These are amazing, well-evolved creatures and well-adapted to that environment.

They got into the perfect environment to just go. And that's why we didn't have any native horses. We didn't have any native elephants anymore and all that. The bison out competed. So what you're saying, absolutely. The bison rolls into cattle grazing land. It's going to fucking take over. And thing is, you can actually make bison, you know, buffalo and cows. You can have beefalos. Yeah, it's amazing to me that they didn't embrace the bison as more of a domestic animal in that sense because it's so much more robust than a cow. I mean, obviously, cows are great and everything like that, but you can't tell me that bison meat doesn't taste great. No, it's way leaner. It's awesome. Yeah, it's fantastic. It's higher in protein. it's way leaner it's awesome yeah it's fantastic it's higher in protein it's you know and especially if they're grazing on grain on grass they're not grain fed it's higher in omega-3s and 6s it's

better for you it's but we fucked that all up in the 1800s with like over hunting a bison and near extinction and market hunting that's what they they did and sometimes they would leave giant piles of them just for their tongues they would just take their tongues and kill them for that. And the hides and a bunch of different things. Yeah, they did a number on them in the 1800s. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. There's that shot in Dances with Wolves, that old Costner flick, where they come over the hill and obviously the white man was here.

Because there's just skinned buffalo carcasses, like as far as I can see, because they were just going for the pelts. Yeah. Because the pelts were selling that season. Yeah, it's dark, man. It's dark when you consider what they did to all the different animals on the plains. It's pretty fucking incredible. The impact that human beings had in such a short period of time. The impact we're having on the environment now in such a short period of time.

It's fucking crazy. Yeah. It's like we need to become more responsible with figuring out what the fuck we are doing are you aware of the american serengeti project no they're trying to buy up giant chunks of private land in um the montana wyoming area and they're trying to build a park even larger than Yellowstone. And what they're trying to do is sort of have it this national park where there's a robust supply of bison, wolves, coyotes, all these different things.

And they're spending a lot of money, and they're also running block management on it, which means they're going to open it up to hunters as well and they're trying to take these areas of private land buy them up and then slowly convert it into a gigantic public park that they think you know as far as like with the animals that have survived um that will in some way mimic the original, what they call American Serengeti. That would be fucking cool. It's pretty interesting.

There's a guy named, American Prairie Preserve. Oh, neat. Preserve, the idea of it. The only question I would have for them is, are there other species that have now adapted for the area that they're doing that they will impact with this?

Right. And that is what happens. Planes, rattlesnakes. Are there, uh, smaller cats like Bobcats, things like that.

If you are taking burrowing owls, if you're taking a bunch of things that are no longer in the area or very sparse in the area, and then you are condensing them into a spot and then kind of making a Serengeti theme park. I don't mean to offend them, but that's just kind of the gist I'm getting. If you fill it full of things that aren't there now, you're going to be displacing things that are there now.

That's true. I think what they're trying to do is they're looking at what happened in Africa. Like in Africa, instead of large-scale agriculture, the way we've embraced that in the United States, for most people, they think about food, you know, they go to the store, they go to the grocery store, they go to the vegetable aisle, they get their food. But very few people actually go to visit these enormous swaths of land that have been converted to large-scale agriculture. Right. And we think of large-scale agriculture, large-scale, you know, like ag-gag laws that refer to factory

farming and things along those lines. We don't think of factory farming in terms of vegetables. But even that itself has had a devastating effect on different parts of this country where it's just the soil has been completely depleted of minerals. It needs to be constantly replenished with exogenous minerals every day. But when you look at what they did in Africa, they sort of decided to take these parks and convert them into these enormous wildlife preserves. And so these animals exist more or less in a very similar state to the way they've done

thousands of years ago. Like the Okavango Delta Reserve and all that. Yeah. That's rad, but are they importing animals into it? Yeah, see, I don't know what they're going to do as far as bring in animals, but what they've done in terms of, you know, like what they've done in Yellowstone when they brought in wolves. I'll say, although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife,

current wildlife populations are greatly diminished. American Prairie Reserve works to build wildlife populations in three strategic ways. Collaborating with state and federal agencies who oversee all wildlife management decisions on their population targets for at-risk species, such as the swift fox, partnering with ranching operations around the preserve's edges to increase tolerance for wildlife. That's a weird word. Yeah edges to increase tolerance for wildlife that's a weird word tolerance for wildlife reducing the amount of kills and the region's habitat fragmentation yeah i don't like tolerance for wildlife it's like i'm sorry if you're ranching

near a thing like that you should be tolerant of wildlife well the problem is if like it interferes on their on their private land. That's where it gets weird, right? There's not a fucking fence a lot that can keep a buffalo out. Oh, hell no. If it wants to go, it's going through. So this idea that you're going to put up a fence and then somehow or another that lush green grass is going to be safe from buffalo. Not really.

They're just going to fucking headbutt that fence. It says bison restoration. They've reintroduced bison in 2005 after a 120-year absence. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, so they are reimporting animals. So how are the 120-year absence bison over the last 11 years impacting the cougar, the swift fox, the pronghorn, the black-footed ferrets the grassland birds all that that's like i i want to know more before i would sign off on something like that it's like how how many bison did you introduce um what is their propagation what is their current gestation

rate um what is their current uh birth to death ratio how are they impacting a place that they haven't been for 120 years? 120 years for a lot of animal species is a very short amount of time for others. It's just the right amount of time to start really adapting to an environment and establishing an entirely new predator prey relationship with things there. All of a sudden you put in this monstrous fucking three ton cow beast. That could screw a lot of things up yeah it could i mean they require a lot of food yeah a lot of resources and we've seen what happens when they've done things like this well particularly with wolves and yellowstone it's been really fascinating to see what the impact it's had on animals and how the animals have sort of shifted where they live and behave and it's it's it's so cool but it also it's also like man what a cautionary tale we're kind of like

playing playing creator in a lot of ways by introducing these things um we have a big debate going on that right now in paleontology um the whole cloning deal cloning woolly mammoths and all that um where do you stand on that um i kind of stand on more of an empirical uh area that as of now we have not discovered viable enough material in order to clone something the technology is not there i've uh i have talked to while i was in siberia a couple years ago i talked to some of the leading geneticists from south korea like in sung lang and uh all those guys and they're saying like maybe 50 years because the way the cloning uh has to happen we have to find viable dna a complete like a complete individual genome plant that into for woolly mammoth specifically plant that into the nearest

living relative which is the asian elephant that means we have to harvest an egg from a female asian elephant which is difficult to do we would have to harvest many eggs because dolly the sheep had like 870 some odd tries before 12 stuck and one was born trying to do that with elephants they go into must every like for three days out of a year or something like that i don't know the specifics but that's a huge monumental task to do by itself i've seen woolly mammoth carcasses i've looked at them under biological microscopes i've taken tissue to have uh put into scanning electron microscopes we've looked for viable dna have not found any fragments sure but not in the entire thing in the genome this animal went extinct this animal went extinct possibly with human

interaction we're not quite sure yet but definitely through an inability to adapt to a changing climate this is the perfect example if humans were not involved, of natural selection. This animal could not live in the environment anymore. That being said, should we establish the Pleistocene Park in Siberia and clone woolly mammoths? I don't think so. I think this technology would be better used, and not being a genetics expert or geneticist at all i think it would be better used for actual human interactive deaths dodos moa tasmanian tigers passenger pigeons things we have specimens of now that would be easier to do like they're working on patch passenger pigeon pigeons right now with the i think it's the three bard pigeon maybe just the bard pigeon um genetics twitter correct me on that um but what is important about

bringing back that pigeon i mean obviously there's a principle because their response we're responsible human beings are for their demise i think i think that's that's it that's it maybe it's maybe it's the idea of wow we fucked up fucked up. Right, but hasn't 90% of everything that's ever been alive dead? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like 90, 95% of every single species that has ever been on the planet in four and a half billion years is extinct. Right, so where do we stop? Like, why bring back the dodo bird and the Tasmanian tiger

and not the woolly mammoth? Because the dinosaurs, the early placental mammals tiktolik all of that going way back in time and things like the woolly mammoth or the saber-toothed cat or uh the step mammoth or the uh you know the uh stegomastodon or mastodons those went extinct all whether it was like a cosmic impact huge volcanic eruptions climate change the oxygen uh suddenly dropping in the atmosphere or in the ocean all of that happened through natural resources we have now overstepped those bounds and we are responsible for the extinction of the golden frog, the passenger pigeon. Poor golden frog. I miss it. They were cute.

I don't even know they existed. My life would not be impacted one way or another. Would it? Probably not. But we as a species killed it. Do you think that the world around them, the natural world, has adapted to them being extinct

and we should just leave well enough alone? That could be the same argument as I was making against the bison. You'reison yeah absolutely right think about all the money that would have to be spent to bring back the dodo bird i personally say fuck the dodo bird i don't miss them there's plenty of cool birds they can go fuck themselves yeah i mean we have things like african uh african shoe bills and stuff like that come on man shoe bills are the shit they're like one of my all-time favorite animals. Cassowaries win, man.

Cassowaries are fucking dinosaur. What's a cassowary? Cassowaries are the- How do you spell it? C-A-S-S-O-W-A-R-Y. Is that like a shoebill? No, it's scarier. Ooh, scarier than a shoebill.

It's basically this really cool-looking, semi-flightless bird. Oh, look at that fucking freak. That is an ostrich, bro. Close. No, we want the one with the head crest yep oh whoa now google cassowary attack see but that's not as cool as a shoe bill they're beautiful and they're they're pretty and everything like that but shoe bills have the cool bill shoe bills have a goddamn hatchet on their face these have those like raptor claws they what they do when they attack they kick up and try and disembowel you oh yep

there we go oh those guys coming at it with a board yeah it's like you you will get owned by a gas worry and they're big man how big are they uh you know they're they're decent size they're like pushing six feet 1926 what happened 16 year old philip mclean did he get jacked yep he got killed yeah third tallest second heaviest bird whoa yeah look at the look at those feet and claws on those fucking things jesus christ they've run 49 miles an hour they're 4.9 feet tall. Oh, look at those claws. Those are horrific, man. Whoa. They're trippy, dude.

And look, hey, that's like a T-Rex foot. That is a theropod foot. You got to get them in a heel hook. That's the key. The key is you got to get a hand on one of the bottom of one of the feet, like the ankle, like right where it meets the foot. You get a hand on one, and then you stay on the outside. And then you want to butterfly hook the other side

and just snap that leg. I don't think they would even know how to defend. They'd probably have a shitty defense. They'd probably try to peck at you. You know, that's not going to help. What a weird animal. But a shoe bill's cooler. Shit, sorry.

Okay, they do look cooler for the head, and they can, like... The eyes, too. They have those fucking evil raptor eyes and they can they can totally just like knack you with that with that yeah look at that yeah it's like look at that fucker one of my favorite videos online is a shoe bill which is this fucking dinosaur bird eats this uh snakehead fish which is this fish that can figure out how to get out of the water and walk to the next pond. So this prehistoric fucking creepy ass bird kills this prehistoric creepy ass fish that can walk on land.

Like literally, it's a walking transitionary fossil. It is fucking walking on land. It's a crazy video, man. Is this it? No. Maybe. They're so creepy looking, too. They're just so heartless.

Back during the age of mammals, post-dinosaur, we had things called terror birds. Yes. Down in South America. We were talking about those yesterday. Yeah, like eight, ten feet tall. Giant flightless birds with huge fucking battle axes for faces yeah it's like so here we go yeah that's a small evolution but a smaller one that's a small terror bird and they were predatory monsters just running around jacking things they're not flightless though are they i don't

know if they are i don't look like it right don't believe so it is kind of amazing when you when you find out how many different animals existed in north america alone just 10 000 years ago camels started here camels yeah all dogs yeah i'm reading uh coyote america by dan flores i wanted to read that it's fucking great it's crazy it's what a crazy animal a coyote is by the way it nuts. He's coming on the podcast. I think he's going to be here in January, whenever he's in town. Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

If you want to listen to him, too, he's on the Meat Eater podcast with Steve Rinella. Maybe six, eight months ago, they did a podcast together. I've listened to it three or four times. It's amazing. Right on. Horses. Horses started here and went extinct here and made it all across the rest of the world and then were brought here by spanish settlers that's yeah they were brought back yeah

and then now they're everywhere there's wild horses thousands of them tens of thousands all throughout the southwest yeah it's the it's it's really cool things like that and when the isthmus of panama when panama uh rose up and connected the two continents together, you had just this awesome transition of life, like llamas and birds and big cats and that back and forth. Just great shit. That's also why the pronghorn antelope is so fast. They're so much faster than anything that could catch it today because they lived and they evolved in a time where there was like cheetah-like cats. Yeah. Morassinonyx, the American cheetah, the badass.

And beyond that, so everybody's like, oh, we had cheetahs and we had- We had lions that were bigger than African lions. Panthera atrox. Half a ton of angry cats. Oh, 1,000 pounds. Yeah, 8,000, 9,000 pounds. Jesus. It's scary.

8,000 pounds 8,000 pounds Jesus Scary I mean Everybody's like Oh well you know Sabretooth cat It's not tiger

It's cat by the way That's just Wrote from working At the tar pits For five years What color were they? Do we know? We don't know

But we can guess That they were Because they had short tails They were ambush predators Because of the environments We find them in Likely they had a longer coat. It was countershaded, maybe with some sort of barring or reticulated pattern in order to blend in. I think like a really big, scary bobcat.

Oh, okay. Somebody tried to tell me that a bobcat and a mountain lion were the same thing. What? Yeah, I was like, what? No, a mountain lion and a cougar and a puma are all the same. It's puma concolor. Yeah, pumas and mountain lions are the same thing. This guy was trying to say that a bobcat was the same thing, because I was saying that I saw a bobcat and its cubs recently.

And I thought it was a mountain lion, because I saw it for like a second, like not even a second, like a half a second. My friend saw it before me. I turned to see it, and it was a mama with her cubs and my brain when they said a cat my brain was like oh they must mean a mountain lion so like in my mind the half of a second i saw it i had seen a mountain lion baby but it was actually a bobcat yeah and this guy was like well they're the same thing i was like the fuck they are like not even close it's not like a wolf and a coyote a wolf can fuck a coyote. Yeah, and they can make babies Yeah, like a coyote can fuck a dog. We're all everything is a wolf all those things all those wild cannons They're all interchangeable. They are all wolves. There are only a few of the Canis genus that cannot do that. I think which ones

one of the Actuals yeah, there's a jackal. I think the black back Maybe the black back jackal God I used to know this because I would throw this at creationists all the time because they're like, oh, you know It's the same kind. It's like well these can't fuck these then there you go But like African spotted dogs are totally different genus Absolutely a hundred percent totally different genus They're part of the canid family, but they cannot breed with anything else

So can they breed and make a hybrid like a liger and no not even no not even close. That's interesting Yeah, it's like but you know the biological definition of species does kind of break down because it depends whether it's a Environmental species or if it's a genealogy fucker. Yeah environmental species or if it's a genealogical fucker yeah what a face on him rad look at those big ears perfect for just like tracking stuff now has any asshole tried to take an african wild dog like that and turn into a pet i have no idea i must be right maybe african hunting dog yeah i don't know um wild looking dog man yeah they Yeah, I wouldn't. They look so wild. They're so, the coloration of them is so, it's like so dynamic. Yeah, but if you look at that pattern, you've got lights and darks and look at the material behind it.

Look at the grasses and the- Oh yeah, they blend in. Yeah. They're literally like walking ASAT camo. Right? Yeah. Like Jamie, go back up to that one with the teeth open the picture you just showed look at that like that that pattern yeah i mean that is a perfect predator pattern they sort of

blend into the background especially from a distance if they're not moving because most animals they pick up outlines and then they pick up movement yeah and if the outline stops moving it disappears yeah especially with a cryptic coloration like that. Yeah. It's just incredible that natural selection has led them to have those kind of coats. have totally different color patterns the california kingsnake the white and black ones that you see yeah they're either banded or striped the banded ones the ones with the horizontal across their bodies they tend to stay curled up underneath bushes in the desert so as they're white and black yeah there we go so the banded ones like that, they stay curled under trees because as the sunlight is coming through, it's creating bands across the earth so they blend in. The striped ones move more so the shadows are longer. Wow.

Yeah. It's really trippy. Now, how the fuck does that happen without Jesus? You explain me. This is proof positive, just like the banana. The atheist nightmare. The banana. Oh, Ray Comfort's banana.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is proof positive as well. That banana thing, man. The Lord works in mysterious ways. Ray, I'm sorry you ever did that. I'm happy he did it, and I'm happy that the other dude was right next to him smiling like it made sense Kirk Cameron Yeah, Kirk Cameron just fighting off the urge to suck a cock with every ounce of his body

Just fighting off the gay like it's a horde of angry zombies coming over a hill that picture of Ken Ham Cameron and fucking comfort It's like that's like three heads of Cerebus the dog dog from hell, like three heads of the Hydra right there. I don't see hell in that. I just see foolish people. Well, yeah, I just see it. But I bizarre foolish people. I see hell for science.

I see a problem for science and science education and everything going forward because these are the people that are building fucking full size arcs in the middle of God. I'm happy they're doing that. Cr in the middle of God-president Tennessee. I'm happy they're doing that. Crack another one of them beers. Yeah, all right. I'm happy they're doing that. Yeah, that was great.

What one was this called? This was... Otravez. Otravez. Otravez from Sierra Nevada. Love it. Thank you. It's a goza.

It's a salt beer. I like when guests come with beverages. No, I'm totally into beer now because of... Cheers, sir. Cheers, dude. Absolutely. Into what? What got you into beer?

Well, I've always been into beer. I've always wanted to be doing homebrewing and stuff. But because the paleo market kind of dropped out, my friend owns a bar. And he's like, hey, my bartender's leaving. I've been drinking there for like five years. I was part-time security because I still had a guard card and all that. He said, hey, my weekend bartender's going. You know a lot about beer.

You know the whole menu here Do you want the weekend shift since you're not working paleo people want to come visit you and stalk you and give you a hard Time about the flat earth what bars us oh, it's the faculty in East Hollywood at 7 0 7 North heliotrope Oh, you're a tropin Melrose up you shill. They're coming at you now bring it with flat earth knowledge Bring it yeah, it's, you want to roll in? I'm having my birthday party there next Friday, the 28th, 8 p.m. There's no such thing as gravity. Oh my God.

It is magnetic. Fuck those guys. What do they call them? Electromagnetism? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

Are stickers magnetic? Oh, good point. There you go. Is glass magnetic? Is plastic? I mean, come on. I think that's bullshit. It's glass-magneted. It's plastic. I mean, come on. That's bullshit. Well, it's kind of funny.

It's like Ray Comfort. Like Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron and... Poor bastard. If he could just find a man who loved him... Yeah, yeah. Kirk could just come free. You see it. You see it coming out of him. Did that bullshit creationist Christmas movie that he had last year?

You mean awesome movie like God's Not Dead? Is that the one? No, no, no. I'm thinking Saving Christmas. Oh, Saving Christmas. It's like the war on Christmas and Kirk Cameron's going to save it this December. Oh, yeah. I think it actually took over Battlefield Earth is one of the worst movies on IMDb or

Rotten Tomatoes. Well, I would see how it would be in that category. But did you ever see the one that he did about those Christian novels? Oh, the Left Behind series. Yes. Yeah. Wonderful. I bought it on VHS.

It's one of the last VHS tapes that I bought. That's rad. Yeah, I own it. There's two of them. I never even got through the first one. I'm like 45 minutes into the first one, my eyes are sweating. I'm just... My head's shaking.

I remember when those came out in bookstores, the actual book series. I was walking by. I'm probably buying a Neil Gaiman book or something like that, like comics or some cool sci-fi fantasy stuff. And I saw that and I'm like, what? Left behind. I don't know left behind the rapture has come there's only a few people left on the planet i'm like fuck that just put it right back on the shelf and kept walking dude the rapture comes and there's only a few people left so that means that god comes and takes away all the christians that would leave a lot of fucking people yeah like this idea that it would only be a few people left

it's kind of yeah but the thing is it's like why is he going to take the christians if uh you know jews i'm genetically jewish i have the the ashkenazi k1 haplotype uh my because because my mom um aren't we supposed to the chosen people allegedly allegedly like a hundred more 144 000 something like that yeah but once america came along god changed teams right he got super down with that even ray comfort he decided as an australian he got to get in get in tight with american christians right wait is ray australian or yes cannot both of them are ken and ray right have you ever heard him talk but he it's like really oh no i'm sorry i'm thinking

of the atheist nightmare the banana i'm thinking of the other jackass. I'm thinking of the other jackass, Kent Hovind, the one that went into jail for tax evasion. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's Dr. Dino. Yeah, not happening, dude. Does he have anything to do with that creationist museum? Who has something to do with the creationist museum? That's Ken Ham.

That's Ken Ham. Yeah, that's Captain Ham Sandwich himself. Oh, wonderful man. Yeah, sure. With some wonderful ideas. That creationist museum and the Ark. I love the Ark. And I hate to say it.

Okay, hey, atheist Twitter followers, don't roll me for this. Ken Ham is fucking smart. Because of the way he does his advertising. Because of the way he does his... Look at that. Bigger than imagination. That's like, okay, sure, he may be completely, you know, chewing his own skin off at this point, losing money,

but think of what he did. He did a huge debate with Bill Nye and got this going because all of the money that people spent on DVDs and all that went to this dude you can get an annual pass for only 175 bucks that's way cheaper than Disneyland you can go see it all year round you just keep going back and see that same stupid wooden boat all the time Wow goes I like to go to remove zip lines I got a zip line I'm gonna zip a zip line. Zip line right off the top of Noah's Ark, right into the manger where the baby Jesus was born.

That's set up at the bottom of the zip line. Hey, Ken, did Noah have zip lines? Yeah. Is that how he got all the animals off the Ark? Yes. Well, that's also how Noah raised funds for his Ark. Right, right. He did all that wood.

So where were the dinosaurs on the Ark? They were butt fucking. Dinosaurs are gay. A lot of people don't know that. That's why they all died wood. So where were the dinosaurs on the Ark? They were butt-fucking. Dinosaurs are gay. A lot of people don't know that. That's why they all died off. Yeah. There was a... No one was there to breed.

They were all just doing each other. There was a Farside by Gary Larson, one of those little comics a long, long time ago. It was like the real demise of the dinosaurs. They're all smoking. There's another one that's... Noah has like a 105 howitzer mounted on the nose of the arc and firing it at the dinosaur arc. It's like, what really happened?

Stuff like that. It's like people make fun of this shit all the time. Teach the controversy is a T-shirt deal. And it shows I have the shirt. It's rad. You've got a triceratops with an ox harness on it and a guy with a plow behind it then you also have the devil burying a dinosaur bone this is teach the controversy they have a flat earth one a chemtrail one an illuminati one they're fucking rad i wonder how much longer that kind

of thinking that kind of uh ray comfort thinking is going to be around as long as we have youtube man you think so i mean i think it's just gonna get louder. It's just gonna get louder I think that I think not I think this is all This this ability to self publish and this kind of stuff is all cute and everything But I think it's a it's a step on this inevitable Path I think we're on a path of complete enlightenment. I really do I think it's gonna fucking rad I think it's going to bypass all of our biological limitations. I think technological innovation is going to bypass the biological

limitations and we're going to live in some sort of an augmented reality, augmented by technology. I think we're going to accept that and I think we're going to dive into that and then once that happens, I think slowly but but surely just like the difference between what we know today versus what we knew or people knew 2 000 years ago is pretty goddamn radical but when you think about 2 000 years in terms of the earth it's nothing right yeah it's no it's it's a blink of an eye yeah it's it's the nanosecond reaction of a neuron firing i mean even just 300 years ago oh yeah just think think of the time frame between uh the wright brothers first powered flight and landing on the moon and then from landing on the moon to the space shuttle to the iss now we have vertical landing rockets nuke powered rovers with

lasers doing science on a different planet and we have two probes rapidly exiting the solar system, the Voyager probes. They're fucking gone. Go from the invention of radio to the internet today. I mean, it's a blink of an eye. A tiny, tiny, tiny amount of time and massive progress has been made. And you still have these assholes

that make these videos about dinosaurs not being real or write blogs about the earth being flat. But at the end of the day, I just feel like that is more dismissed than ever before. Less likely to be adopted. And I think it's dying. I think it's the last blips of ignorance where people are fighting against this. Is this the death knell? Is this people like B like going against neil

degrasse yeah he's a silly he's a silly man you know i mean he's just a rapper right he doesn't really have to have any any real data but i think that that's that's what we're seeing with all this stuff i think we're seeing like the sort of the last gasps of of ignorance but he has a bunch of people that immediately do that and then a bunch of people that immediately do that. And then a bunch of people go, whoa. In contemporary times, it seems like it's a big deal. But now it's cool to be a conspiracist. It's cool to be a conspiracy sheep. It's like hip and rad to think the earth is flat and all that shit.

Not really. You have to be a real fucking moron to think the earth is flat in 2016. I'm doing. I mean, you really do. I'm going against them every day. I know, but they're fucking morons. Well, no, they're absolutely fucking morons. Yeah, I know. Like, 100%.

I don't think it's going to last. I think it's a blip. I hope not. Because. It's drowning witches. I mean, this is. It's fucking exhausting. Yeah.

Well, for you, because you keep buying into it. The thing is, again, I want to mock them so the people the people listening and the people watching and all that go wow that guy's a jackass it's like it's like the earth's not flat i got suckered into it but also i have to admit it i kind of like out trolling the trolls man yeah it's fun right when they come in and you just like set The perfect thing and they come back with something stupid and you just fucking grab by the back of the net go wham They're done. It's just like you like setting them up with facts Yeah, I like setting them up and watching them just trip Why do you enjoy that so much because they are dumb enough to do it to other people they deserve to have it done to them

Right. I think I'm a vindictive narcissistic assholes, too. Even when they're doing it to other people they deserve to have it done to them right i'm a vindictive narcissistic asshole even when they're doing it to other people they're doing it to themselves i like to give them i like to out troll them with with facts and give them just enough rope to hang themselves and completely embarrass themselves and they they do it all the time and then they get all flustered and they block me. I did that to the Institute of creation research They got so pissed off they blocked me on Twitter and that was a badge of fucking honor with the Institute for creation research It's what kind of research are they doing like icr.org is the same thing as like answers in Genesis and all that shit It's like it's a think tank of creationist scientists that are the earth is six thousand years old Think tank of creationist scientists that are the earth is 6,000 years old The new book of beginnings a practical guide to understanding Genesis, oh, yeah shit

It looked like the the little fucking dinosaur on it Look at this first article magic words can't explain strange fossil once upon a time only a single Italian fossil, a crushed specimen that paleontologists had to reconstruct, represented the extinct reptile, what is his name? A drapanosaurus. A drapanosaurus.

Now, a team of American scientists describe a new drapanosaurus specimen from New Mexico. Instead of fingers, it had a massive claw on each hand, and its curling tail was claw-tipped. These features have evolutionists scratching their heads over where it came from and why it looks more like a particular living mammal than a reptile. Well, guess what?

Because mammals existed during the time of dinosaurs. Dun, dun, dun. Wait. existed during the time of dinosaurs. Dun, dun, dun. And you have things like synapsids and things like thurapsids that are reptile to mammal transitions. And you have all of these things that exist that they say don't. It looks like

a bear and a sheep and a sloth had a gangbang. Right. No, it's totally some like... Right? Doesn't it? Oh, Brian Thomas, really? He has an MS. He's got a master in science. From... Right? Doesn't it? Oh, Brian Thomas, really? He has an MS. He's got a master in science. Yeah. Yeah.

From... Where did he get that? Probably from ICR. I think you can get one online. Yeah, well, yeah. No, you can. I want to get one just so I have to be called a doctor like Bill Cosby was doing. A lot of the...

I know a lot of anti-homeopathy people that go and get the homeopathy certification and like and then go hey look i'm certified too i'm allowed to talk to it and we're now on equal footing and then just like own the the shaken water sugar pill people oh yeah yeah i'm not talking about like actual like aromatherapy things or things that actually like like single concentrations of arnica that actually can be used as an anti-inflammatory. I'm talking like the sugar pill belladonna things that you take because your chi is messed up and you have a pain in your ankles. So you get like pig bladder and belladonna together and you're just taking like 40 grams of soluble glucose in a sugar pill makes you feel better briefly. Yeah, because you're like whoa Yeah, because amazing medicine. Yeah credible power I just feel the spiritual energy because all the you know, your ADP going on your body is just like hey

Look, we've got food. I do yoga. So I'm around these people all the time I'm around a lot of these topanga canyon hippies wow i believe in all this kooky shit it's it's hilarious talk to them they just have these fucking bizarre ideas yeah i i've had a couple people come into the bar lately and again i'm saying it's like hey my birthday's soon they're like oh when's your birthday i'm like it's the 27th and they're like oh you're a scorpio yeah what does that mean i've i've been called a scorpio before whatever it's like i'm dark and brooding and narcissistic well yeah a little um i'm very vengeful and you know i'm very emotional and things like that all those things seem to be

true yeah but all those things seem to be human qualities no no no just for scorpios just for scorpios yeah that's it yeah no no pisces are like no they're different very balanced NASA your zodiac sign is wrong according to science but it was never based on science anyway yes well what is it based on and how the fuck has it been around so long that's what's really incredible about astronomy for astrology rather because of the ability for the human brain to look at patterns see constellations is like you it's like the same thing with constellations The same thing as clouds. Oh look. There's a dinosaur. Oh wait. No now. It's turning into an alligator And now it kind of looks like my mom. I'm feeling weird because of that

You know I had a good friend of mine who I really respect telling me that astrology is real then he conducts an astrologer Before he does anything that's important and he won't do things that the astrologer tells him that could be dangerous or could be problems coming in the future wow yeah and i was talking to him about it and he was like well the astrologer they told me about my past they told me they were right about my parents i go don't you know about your parents yeah don't you know like why would you be excited if someone told you some shit you already knew? Tell this motherfucker to tell you some shit you don't know. Yeah.

You know, tell him to tell you a lottery ticket. Tell him to tell you what's going to happen next Tuesday. Yeah. Then believe him. Otherwise, what they're probably doing is asking you leading questions. You're answering them in a way that leads you to believe that they had the information. Yeah. It's just con man stuff.

Yeah. It's cold reading. It's medium man stuff it's cold reading it's mediums it's cold yeah all of that exactly there's techniques training and micro expressions magicians are fucking excellent at it oh hell yeah man i mean i um a really good friend of mine is uh misty lee she's the only female medium at the magic castle and she's rad and we were just talking one day and she's like oh yeah i can speak with the dead i can find anything out just by doing that kind of it's like magicians there there's entire books written on this and i've watched i've watched penn and teller do it i've

watched yuri geller do it and the whole deal and it's if you work in enough and magicians have the type of mentality and patience and discipline to do this over and over and over again, shuffling cards a thousand times a day until it's just rote memorization. They can do that with cold reading. They can do that with predictions. They can do that with math tables, spoon bending, all that stuff. They know how to do all that. That's easy. You get a spoon with a little bit of gallium in it and it melts when as soon as you touch it with your inner yeah gallium gallium it's a metal that actually melts uh with uh your simple body heat really yeah you make spoons out

of it that's the common thing i'm not spoiling any magic trick so it looks like a spoon that's made out of metal like regular metal but it's actually made out of gallium. And you sort of rub it. You rub it and it melts and the thing falls apart. Yep, check it out. Disappearing spoons. Okay, so this guy's got a spoon. Doesn't that, it looks like a normal everyday spoon. It says do-it-yourself kit and gallium metal available.

Sounds like a regular spoon. So that's a thing of hot water. Oh, Jesus. The spoon dissolved in the water. Because it's hot enough. It's a low-yield temperature. This is not an acid. It's water.

Melting point of gallium is only 86 degrees Fahrenheit. That's incredible. Yeah. What's your outer skin body temperature? Oh, 96. So that's incredible. So you can take hot water. So your fingers, you could easily bend that spoon by just rubbing it.

And it's not even that hot that it would hurt you. Or if that's an opaque mug, if I have a gallium spoon, I do that. You can't look through the mug. The spoon disappears and it melts away. Whoa. Yeah, that's a very simple one. And, you know, bending spoons like that, yeah. So they just rub it and the gallium just sort of bends.

Or there's a way to pinch it between your fingers and start rubbing it. And you're actually working it back and forth just a little bit, like bending a key. We've all done it. We've all, like, rubbed a key and we've watched it start to bend. Because as you are heating it up, it is expanding. It's, oh, is that, yeah, there's the mold. Check it out. Yeah.

So what's happening here? They're making, they're messing with gallium. You can make a mold of it and then you put it in your freezer. Eight hours later. Ta-da. Wow. Yeah. This is so bizarre. Yeah. This stuff just breaks in your face. Yeah, it's neat Oh, wow. Yeah. This is so bizarre.

Yeah. This stuff just breaks in your face. Yeah, it's neat stuff, man. Where is gallium from? It's part of the periodic table. It's an existing element. So they find it in dirt and extract it? Mm-hmm.

You can mine it? Yeah. I've lived 49 years. I've never heard of gallium to this moment. You're welcome. Just thank you very much. You should feel good about that. That's the entireium to this moment. You're welcome. Just thank you very much. You should feel good about that.

That's the entire point of your show. You learn shit. That's dude. That's why I've always been a fan. Well, thank you. Yeah. I mean,

listen, I'm a fan of the show too because it allows me to have these conversations with people. Like, I mean, I'm saying that I'm not being facetious. Like as a, as a person who's in the show, like I'm a fan of being able to be able to talk to all these people like you. Learn about gallium.

That's cool. Metal bending spoons. There's so many different tricks that magicians use that psychics and all their really sleazy people have been using to steal from people. Like these goddamn mediums on television that you see. What was that one? Long Island Medium. Did you ever see that one? Yeah. No. What was the big guy the the dude that like had the tv show

oh yeah started with an r started like robert richard or something what was that fucking guy's name he had the same name as somebody else that's famous right yeah yeah and uh he would use plants and wireless mics and uh audio amplifiers and cold reading to to read his audience um shit oh yeah that's right that's right he had that sci-fi that show on sci-fi like beyond with whatever his name is his fucking name i don't thankfully we have forgotten he's fallen into obscurity but that piece of shit was famous for a long time and people would talk about him all the time yeah yeah he started with specials and then he got his own damn show it's like i've done what's his name jamie james van praas no no there's another one it was fucking people right now are screaming it on twitter probably. It's this guy! No!

Did you? Yeah, there's a lot of those fuckheads out there, but again, just like the flat earth people and all this other nonsense, I think they're going to exist less and less in the future. You know, I think that what we're seeing right now in terms of confirmation bias, I think that's all going to be eradicated

because I think what we're dealing with now is very limited mediums of writing things down, typing things, making videos about things. All these things are incredibly limited in comparison to what's coming up. You know, I've been a follower of Ray Kurzweil for a while. Yeah. I've been trying to pay attention to what he predicts and what he's uh what he's thinking is going to be coming down the pipe in 2045 you look at guys like him and all these uh futurists that are predicting all these emergent technologies

are going to completely change and revamp the way we communicate going into the singularity yeah yeah it's i think we're on the we're on the verge of a storm, an innovation storm that's going to render the landscape almost unrecognizable. I think we're just a decade or two away from just massive, massive shifts. It brings me back to, you know, I don't believe that the Mayans were correct, that December 21st, 2012 was the end of the world. But it is fascinating when you see like the Kali Yugas and all the different ancient civilizations that predicted cycles and cycles of humanity. And it kind of seems like there's something to that. Like maybe almost like you can kind of predict a sort of a time period where people accumulate a bunch of information, make life safer for each other, but then get soft, soft and sort of sloppy because life got safe.

And then you get lazy and then, you know, all sorts of weird behavior. Like that's what we always thought about Rome, right? We always thought the decadence. Right. And the, you know. Vomitoriums. We know what a vomitorium really is. do you know what it really is it's the the well at least i've always been uh learned that it's the kind of like the closed-in bacchanal festival where you go and

you it's a sauna and you eat a bunch and you do the whole thing i'm gonna help you out here that's not what a vomitorium is what a vomitorium is is actually the the the passageway between a large arena and the stands so the way people leave what they would leave that's a vomitorium right but the name of it led people to infer that these that's a vomitorium so it led people to infer that oh that was a place they would go to throw up but Wow. Totally owned on that. Right on. Thank you. But it's one that I thought, too.

And then, you know, you always connect that to ancient Rome. And I went to the Vatican. I went to Rome this past summer, and I went to the Colosseum. I've always wanted to go there. It's fucking dope, dude. The Vatican is the dopest shit I've ever seen in my life. It's so insanely massive and spectacular And the the construction is just so mind-blowing the fact that they did all this without power tools, right?

They did all over the course of hundreds of years. They built these amazing massive structures I did the same thing in Israel a couple years ago like like going to Jerusalem and seeing, holy shit, this is like, Herod built this. Wow. And going to Masada and all that. It was trippy as fuck, dude.

I can only imagine that. And walking through the different quarters in Jerusalem and everything and almost walking up the wrong stairs in the Muslim quarter to get to the Dome on the Rock.

I didn't know where I was. Oh, really? This big dude's like, you're not Muslim. You're not going there. I'm like, oh, wow. So you could go the wrong way and you can't go if you're a Muslim. You unless you're a Muslim. Unless you're a Muslim.

Yeah. Because the dome on the rock where the mosque and everything is is for Muslims only. They only open it. I think one day a year, very briefly for people to come like take a picture of the outside. Occasionally film crews can go in there but that's about it and it's like unless you are devout muslim you can't go in there and because it's a very holy site for them and but going there like going and seeing uh like uh uh the stations of the cross and the church of the holy sepulcher and all that it was trippy i'm not an i'm not religious i'm not an atheist or anything like that i'm just i'm a scientist i'm an apotheist i

it's a absolutely the religious aspect and spiritual aspect to me is completely irrelevant if there's you cannot prove nor deny that there is any kind of you know outside force or you know three oh being and all of that i don't i honestly don't give a shit uh if i die and all of a sudden it's like oops sorry okay you know i admit i was wrong send me to hell sorry i don't care you think that god would be like hey man you didn't know but i mean i've always been honest about that because people are like you're an atheist i'm like actually no i'm not sorry yeah an atheist has to have a belief that there's no God you have to be have to believe there's that's like there's you don't you don't

know if there's no God because you've never experienced death it's you don't know if there's no afterlife because you've never experienced it the the the there's no evidence that exists yeah the the definite I know a lot of atheists that use the definition that you have agnosticism and you have atheism. Agnosticism is the knowledge. Atheism is the empirical data. So an atheist knows there is no God and disbelieves all God. The only difference between an atheist and a Christian is that the atheist disbelieves one more than the Christian.

Because if you think about it christians disbelieve scientologists they disbelieve the moonies they exactly yeah the unitarians all of that yeah so an agnostic is lacking knowledge you don't you don't really know it's like okay well i've seen some things i haven't seen other things that kind of deal i remove myself from that and uh the hardcore atheist community has tried to grasp Apathyism as oh, it's practical atheism. Mm-hmm. So you don't bother you don't care and it's like no We don't care because it's a waste of fucking time Yeah, I had an argument with a guy on Twitter once was a Twitter one of those things where he was

He was saying why don't you just come out as an atheist? things where he was um he was saying why don't you just come out as an atheist i'm like well why do you care why why do you care why do you want me to say there's no god why would you want me to say that first of all i don't know and i've said i don't know and you don't know either bitch yeah so why are you telling me that i should say that i know right but you don't know this is this is crazy talk but it's one of those goddamn things where people want you to be on their team yeah absolutely it's like oh hey cool we have people want you to be on their team yeah absolutely it's like oh hey cool we have a celebrity endorsement that's exactly what it is that's exactly what it is joe rogan said he was an atheist so all the atheists go yeah i'm a part

of the atheist society we get together right yeah right like that's happened with the skeptics there used to be these skeptic societies and then they got weird and then they got all social justice warrior e and then they started accusing and then they got all social justice warrior e and then they started accusing each other of raping each other because they were having sex while they were drunk and it all got madness yeah it's a lot of us falling apart and a bunch of people won't go to their events anymore because they were accused of impropriety and and then you have new ones like in uh uh across the pond you've got like qed con and stuff like that they're actually doing it like the old school.

It's like a bunch of people are meeting up and talking about things and they have panels and they have like zero tolerance law, you know, zero tolerance rules for the convention and stuff like that. And that's right. Zero tolerance for what? For like sexual harassment or anything like no means no. It's consent laws, consent guidelines and all that. And it's really cool.

But do they need that at conferences? Isn't that just common human nature they needed it they needed some well it is and a majority of people should know that but then we have you know rape advocating fuckwits that run for president um so he's into pussy grabbing but it's still rape advocation he's absolutely advocating the abuse and rape. But it's locker room talk. Don't you understand, Trevor? I've been in a locker room. I played fucking hockey. I played football.

I played tennis. That dude has never been in a locker room, first of all. No. No, he has not. And it's like, yeah, it's absolutely just rape. But so, like, there's a big thing. Every year I'm a guest at uh dragon con it's a pop culture con in atlanta right and because it's all fan run they have different uh programming

tracks that i go talk on the science track you know talk about beer and cooking or dinosaurs or two years ago i ripped apart jurassic world stuff like that you didn't like jurassic world fuck no but dude the people that you loved made it to the end and lived. That's the best part about the movie. That Chris guy and the beautiful girl, I knew they were going to make it. It was a really bad monster horror film. It was really good because the little kids

didn't die either. Those kids made it. Are their parents back together? The dinosaurs were running after the kids and the kids got away from the dinosaurs and survived. That's a good movie. They hid behind the Jeep. Good job there. The dinosaur didn't get them, even though he smelled them.

You can't hold a smile on that. You cannot hold character on that, man. No, it's a good movie. First of all, what's that guy's name? Chris? Pratt. Pratt. He's a beautiful man.

I'm happy he lived. And the girl, they wound up being boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of the movie, so it's a good movie. Who saw that coming? Who saw the beautiful man and the being boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of the movie So it's a good movie who saw that coming who saw the beautiful man the beautiful girl getting together at the end Halfway through the movie when oh there was a mazzi at the beginning But no they joked about that they went on a date before so of course You know the stressful situation look at look at speed and plus he's I didn't move watch that movie didn't have any dinosaurs in it But the but dinosaurs don't exist. They're only in movies Intelligent dinosaur crushes that little thing that they're in but they managed to slip out the bottom and the dinosaur doesn't see and then they Run off spoiler alert. Yes

Spoiler these little kids are tiny little stubby shitty human legs Can outrun a fucking dinosaur the size of a building size of a five-story building this thing's screaming and tearing trees apart and he's on a fucking death run to get at these little kids for some reason yeah with all the other dinosaurs and shit in the park gotta eat those gigantic head he wants to eat these little tiny people that are barely a snack right right it's like you chasing after an ant. Like, that fucking ant. I need it. That one right there.

That motherfucker. Yeah. That was a good movie. It was a good movie. It was good at the end, too, where all the pterodactyls came in and picked people up. Yeah, and Jimmy Buffett with the cameo running away. Jimmy Buffett was in there? Yeah.

Yeah. So they have Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville as a stand at the thing. When the dimorphodons and the horrible dimorphodons and the really shitty uh pteranodons come out wait a minute they're we've seen the same movie yeah they can't lift people up i'm sorry what it's my job i can't go to a movie like that and use plausible deniability where they were pterodactyls what's a pterodactyl the pterodactyl is a species of pteranodon. Okay. So those pteranodons, that was wrong? They can't pick people up?

No. They weigh less than most people. How much do they weigh? Maybe somewhere around the small ones, like 75 pounds. And they don't have the foot strength. They have the foot strength in order to hold their body up. Thrust the weight ratio, man. They can't reach down.

They don't have the grip to grab a- So not like an eagle that can grab a salmon. No. No. No, no. Different sort of build. Totally different build. Oh, they got fucked. Sorry. They got fucked by evolution. Yeah. Did they have feathers, those fuckers? Uh, possibly. Um, okay, now I have to say a couple things in Jurassic World were kind of cool.

Like Chris Pratt's face? No. Um, I liked him more in... How about his girlfriend's face? Okay, now Bryce Dallas Howard Bryce Dallas Kinda hot She's beautiful Kinda hot What do you have high standards you fuck?

Well no she's Who are you? No she's even hotter in The Martian I have to say Oh The Martian She's absolutely beautiful in The Martian When is she in The Martian? She's the commander of the Ares 4 mission Oh that's right

They went crazy science fiction They have a chicken control. Let's just go complete fiction. Let's just go off the deep end. Make it totally unbelievable. That's not cool. Social justice warrior. Trevor has a little bit of it in him.

Okay, about that term. Social justice warrior? Yeah. It's a wonderful term. It can also be used for the opposite. The people that are going for no political correctness, the people that are going all that, they want social justice on their side. They are also social justice warriors. I guess. They're looking for their. But that's not going to stick.

That's why they're calling white people honkies. It doesn't hurt. white people honkies. It doesn't hurt. Have you called someone who mocks social justice warriors a social justice warrior too? I have. Because you're trying to

you're trying to eliminate all political correctness. You're a social justice warrior. I have. Okay, whatever, dude. No, I haven't. It's pissed them off. I bet you have.

And it has pissed them off. I bet you think it's pissed them off. Oh, no, they start People just like to argue, man. You can piss people off by calling them a fucking a ninny. You pissed them off. Oh, no, they start. People just like to argue, man. Well, yeah. You can piss people off by calling them a fucking nanny. You stupid nanny. No.

Oh, God. There was one guy I called a chump. And he was like, you wouldn't say that to my face. I'm like, chump. Yeah, I would. Chump is a. God, what was his Twitter handle? I don't remember.

Anyway, dude. He's no need to call him out by his Twitter handle. No, well, I don't remember it anyway, but he's still a chump. Chump is a. It's really kind of innocuous, right? Yeah. Somebody called me a chump. I'd be like, all right, man, I'll let you it anyway, but he's still a chump. Chump is, uh, it's really kind of innocuous, right? Yeah. Somebody called me a chump, I'd be like, alright, man, I'll let you have that. We'll just end this. Yeah. Right? Oh, yeah, you fucking

pussy. Oh, yeah, you're a chump. Alright, we're good? We'll just leave it alone. He called me a chump. If you're happy with chump, I'll just leave it. It's like you're not calling me like a mentally bereft Muppet or, you know, some kind of, like, just, like... Well, see, you like to get verbose with your fuck yeah i do you like to go deep with your education i have i have i understand decent vocabulary you're a fucking paleontologist i get it yeah use what you got right right yeah

see some dudes just chomp is where they draw the line that's fucking no he got mad and then he tried to go it's like oh no i was laughing at him like no you weren't dude you're moving the goalpost come on some people do get really upset at just really innocuous words yeah it's not choose they have words they choose where they decide but none of them ever stick on white people that's the amazing thing. There's never been a single racial slur that's stuck on white people. Yeah, there has. Well, name one. Name one.

What can you call us? Help me. I fucking even hate saying them, but there's... Come on, son. Hit me with it. Slur against Jewish people? No, white people. Not Jews.

Not Jews in specific. But that's specific. But they're still white? Sort of. White Anglo-Saxon Protestants? Wasps? That doesn't hurt anybody. Bitches laugh while they're using their credit cards. But it did. They're like, ha ha ha!

That was a serious slur back in the day. Back before people could read? Realize how stupid it was? Listen, wasp ain't shit, dude. That doesn't hurt nobody. You can't come up with one. Well, one that is sticking right now, and I'm kind of glad it is, is white privilege. That doesn't stick.

Fuck yeah, that's sticking. That doesn't hurt. That's sticking harsh, and I totally agree with it. You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. I'm hanging out with smart fucking people, man. Because if white privilege hurts them if you say that No, those are not people I hang out with oh fuck. Oh, no, I'm but watching the reaction of people. It's like yeah I'm sorry white privilege is totally a fucking thing. Mm-hmm. It's absolutely a thing. It is documented It is proven. There's institutional racism is a hundred percent

Fucking fact well what right white privilege is is sort of the lack of racism against white people and it highlights racism against other people. So what white privilege really is, is how everybody should sort of be treated. Everybody should be treated like they're not a criminal waiting to be discovered. Exactly. Right. But that's not really a privilege for white people. What it does is it highlights that there's racism against people who aren't white.

So to say that white people somehow are at fault because there is a racist bias against people who are brown or black or Asian or what have you, it really shifts the blame in a weird way, in my opinion. I mean, I think it's a real thing, for sure, but I think really what we should concentrate on, instead of concentrating on getting white people to kowtow and to bow down to the fact they have privilege, to just eliminate racism from the world, which I think is entirely a possible thing in our lifetimes. It's totally possible, but the problem with that is we have to come to terms with being that is we have to come to terms with being privileged we have to come to terms with we come to terms yeah we have to you know people have

to understand that yes because you are white you are privileged because you are white you will not get pulled over as much you will not get shot as much we have to come to terms with that in what way because we're the ones doing the institutional racism. We're not we we're not Not we someone is someone. Yes, right, you know, but who are these people that are doing that right police officers? Yes, right sure police officers politicians We have an issue with police officers first of all because I don't think I think there's almost no one who is qualified to believe Be a police officer. I think it's an insanely difficult job that we just assume people can handle.

And I think it's a chaotic, ridiculous amount of pressure that these people have to endure on a daily basis. They're pulling people over. They have no idea they're going to be shot. They see death every day. They see people getting shot and accidents and murders and domestic violence and chaos. And I don't think people are psychologically able to handle that. I think we think of it as a job. Very, very few.

Absolutely very few. We think of it as a job the same way we think of camera repair and someone who builds cars. It is not. It's not a job. It's an incredibly difficult psychological endeavor to try to take on the task of being the voice of the law or the arm of the law and to go out and to treat people with respect and dignity and to not be terrified at every fucking traffic stop. That's a big problem.

Oh, yeah. It's a big problem. No, absolutely. There's also the problem with the communities that we've allowed these terribly disenfranchised and impoverished communities to stay exactly the way they are without pumping federal funds into them without trying to clean them up, without trying to figure out a way to elevate people in these areas. We want them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

And without doing it with gentrification, without going in there because, hey, that's where the rent is currently cheap and taking over those areas and forcing out lower rent families that can't make enough money it's like the housing that's like a sneaky thing that people do like but they do it but they do it but not all not all just real estate people do it people do it like looking for apartment buildings and all that it's like it's is that's a very real thing and if more people with more money move into an area, rents go higher. This is fucking statistical. And then those people that are on, you know, assisted funding or people that have limited access to funds because of jobs and all that, they get pushed out of those areas. And they create concentrated areas of very low middle class to low class poverty, food deserts, horrible fucking places.

And everybody just turns a fucking blind eye to it. Well, people are busy with their own lives. That's really what it is. Most people don't have the resources or the wherewithal to do anything to have an impact on these impoverished communities. They have their own credit card debt, student loan debt. But they can at least understand that that is going on. Okay, you understand and I understand it, but how is that helping those people? That's a very good question.

Give me a second so I don't sound like a ranting idiot. We understand. First of all, congratulations for taking a pause. Thank you. Because most people don't know most people They just just Keep plowing through they'll go well. It was something like anything about this like shitting up You know shitting on Eric Dube that that's just I know you're still angry. I fucking trolled you Totally totally I will get my revenge. I knew I knew before this podcast, oh my God, that's in my back pocket. I'm going to have to fucking bring out that video at one point in time.

I want to watch him get fucking beat red. Right. We know that is true. Is it affecting us? Possibly. Can it affect the human race as a whole? 100%. Yes.

Because of that, because of the reach you have, I don't nearly have the reach you have, but because of the reach you have i don't nearly have the reach you have but because of the reach you have and you have that reach right now i have that absolutely right now but this is like what twice in two years come on you do this fucking five times a week but the numbers that this podcast will reach in comparison to the numbers that reached two years ago dude you're gonna hit millions of people right now well then that's great what you're saying well then what they need to do is they need to understand and yes this isn't like you know a send money to africa thing and all that yes there's horrible poverty poverty in the world there's horrible food shortages in the world and all of that but you also have to think about what

is happening specifically in your community we are one species we are homo sapien sapien it's our job because we're affecting the planet to also fix because we live here this is our current home this is the only one we have we have overpopulation problems we have food problems and all that start small fix your fucking community by simply saying hi to your neighbor if somebody is staying if you're in a crowded apartment building and you know you have a person like struggling with with groceries why not offer to fucking help because then that chick's gonna worry you're gonna rape her no you're gonna follow her into her apartment and no just to put them in the fucking elevator and to put them out the elevator something simple simple as that. That would be nice.

I have an idea. How about people actually bother to merge correctly on freeways? Or to not cut people off at the last second. Think about what your actions are doing. Think cognitively on what that is happening. What's causing that? All of you motherfuckers that cut in at the last time to get around traffic, guess what? You're causing the fucking traffic.

This is simple physics. I don't think this is going to help poor people. But no, but it's not. What's going on, Jamie? There's actually an article that just came out, I think this week, that says that that helps traffic. I don't know if it's probably a scientific study. The people cutting people off helps traffic? Not cutting people off, but the people that merge in last second. Last second mergers improve traffic. I don't know if it's probably a scientific study. The people cutting people off helps traffic? Not cutting people off, but the people that merge in last second.

Last second mergers improve traffic. How is that possible? Science, motherfucker! Science, it's impossible! But everything backs up behind them. Maybe not. If they're good, they know what they're doing. They can zip in. They got a little Miata or something like that. My challenge is 16 feet long.

That's a big car. I love those cars. It's right out there. Those are fun. Trade you. No. Maybe no. Anyway, but helping. But I like them.

So do I. Helping in your community is simple. So like the place I work right now, the faculty, we're a neighborhood bar. We're nice to people in the neighborhood. We make deals with the local business owners. talk about the neighborhood we try and drive crime out we try and do all that kind of thing uh my owner owns two shops on that block we're trying to revitalize the block we're not trying to gentrify it we're not trying to like bring in the hipsters from fucking silver lake and all that bullshit why what's wrong with the hipsters don't get me

started but they look like you they have like yellow beards and well wear weird clothes You know no have tattoos. I don't have skinny jeans dude come on. Look at me. You're a big fella I'm a big if you're a little fella you might have skinny jeans. I wouldn't What's wrong with the hipsters I just I be it's it's the it's the pomposity of hipsters that bother you I'm not not that word. I love that you use pomposity. Not all hipsters hashtag. Not all hipsters that bother me i'm not not that word i love that you use pomposity not all hipsters hashtag not all hipsters um hashtag yes all women hashtag not all hipsters um there are a select few that are the stereotypical hipster of like uh you know it's like oh they you know i liked them before they were cool and shit like that yeah they have vinyl i only listen to vinyl in my car fucking record player in their prius oh wow that's a stupid fucking image man hey you know what's happened you go over there was a record

player that they came up with for cars in the 1950s, I want to say. Was that before speed bumps were invented? No, man. I mean, it didn't work. Of course not. But there was a record player for cars a long fucking time ago. I'm trying to remember. Oh, there it is.

Whoa. Look at this. Chrysler did eventually add an option to play 45 RPM records on the Highway Hi-5. But perhaps that choice came too late. In 1960, a much cheaper car record player was offered as a Chrysler option to come on the market. The RCA Victor Auto Victrola. It cost $51.

It would be $410 today, and you can play your own 45s on it. Way to go, Mopar. Wow. Powerful Mopar. Wow. See? Powerful Mopar. Yeah, that's fucking... Look at this thing, man. That's awesome!

This is pretty fucking dope. But, you know, obviously, you've got to drive real slow and hit no bumps and probably got super annoying. But look how it works, man. It's crazy. That's badass. Yeah. You pick up the record player, you slide it in there, and it literally... That's a stack.

Oh, he's got a stack. It's like an early CD changer. Yeah. He's got, like, that's what they used to do. People don't remember that. Yeah. No. The needles used to lift up, and they would take the next record and drop it down and

play the next one. That was so cool back then. Oh, yeah. We'd stack a bunch of records on top of each other. How much better would it read off that if it's reading the bottom? Yeah. The weight, right?

Oh, yeah, good idea. And if there's any kind of shock absorption there, that would be... Play it, see if we can hear anything. That car's sitting still, though. Yeah. 61 DeSoto. That song makes me want to kill myself.

Something about that old music that reminds me of like grandma's house, like right before she died. And you're like, oh, it's depressing in here. And on that note, let's wrap this bitch up and bring it home, Trevor. Right on. Thank you, brothers. Really, we got to do this more often than every two years. Yeah, right?

Absolutely. It's like all those text messages back and forth. Come on, man. We could do this all the time. Fuck yeah, we could do this. Dude, I'm local. You're local. Yeah. We could make this years. Yeah, right? Absolutely. It's like all those text messages back and forth. Come on, man. We could do this all the time. Fuck yeah, we could do this. Dude, I'm local. You're local. Yeah.

We could make this happen. Yeah. And next time when you're at the place across the street from where I am, come the fuck over. Oh, yeah, that's right. I was at the Ha Ha Cafe. And I was at Tiki No. What's Tiki No?

Tiki No is a badass tiki bar in North Hollywood. Oh. It's right there on Lankford Lake. You go to a lot of bars, fella, huh? Kind of a boozer a little bit? A little bit. Functional alcoholic? Yeah. Cheers, sir. Cheers on that, man. You go to a lot of bars, fella, huh? Kind of a boozer a little bit? A little bit? Functional alcoholic? Yeah.

Cheers, sir. Cheers on that, man. Thank you again. All right, tattoos and bones on Twitter if you want to yell at them for being a flat earth shill or round earth shill, rather. People are already doing it. They're like, you should call him out on his fatness. He's not healthy.

Stuff like that. Don't read that out loud. I don't care. You're feeding the trolls. Oh, yeah. Now they have data. Hey, Nick's Droid, David Jennings, fuck you. All right, ladies and gentlemen.

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