The Joe Rogan Experience - #863 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: October 20, 2016

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast “The Duncan Trussell Family Hour” available on Spotify.

Oh shit, I put it in airplane mode, okay. So, God is dead. He is. No, he is. Why did you say that? He is. What about a bunch of people that had a birthday cake for God? They're like, well, what the fuck do I do with this now?

And it's infinity candles. Do you know how fucking badass Nietzsche felt when he said that for the first time? Where he was like, God is dead when it meant something like now you say and people like whatever who cares yeah no shit but like it was like a fucking it was like a nuclear bomb going off the declaration God is dead do you not understand he's dead when did Nietzsche write that i don't know man i don't actually you know i have no idea it must have been the 1900s or so i don't know when he was nietzsche was around he's in my carl jung pile why i'm always like one day i'm gonna really get into his work oh man he's a he's

good because he gets into your fucking head man because he like carl jung will get in your head but it's more subtle whereas like nichi like you're reading you ever read any philip k dick yes so you know how like you're getting on top of 1882 wow with philip k dick he was kind of crazy but he was a genius so when you read his his fiction it's like you stop reading it and you feel a little crazy for a second because something about the way he's writing just isn't normal. There's something off, man. Nietzsche, it's the same way. It's like when you stop reading him, you're going to like spend the next few days like, fuck.

Or like Burroughs. Yeah. Same thing. Outsider artist kind of. Yeah. I remember reading some of Burroughs stuff and thinking thinking, like, I might get high just reading this. Yeah. You know?

Like, Naked Lunch, that was him, right? Yeah. Wasn't that? Yeah. Terrence McKenna, the same thing. Oh, yeah. You just start tripping when you start reading his writing. Like, you just start tripping.

God, I wish I could write like that, man. You could. How dare you? Well, I mean, you would have to spend a lot of time writing. That's all it is. Yeah. That's the only thing that's holding you back. Yeah. Is the amount of time that you would have to spend writing lot of time writing. That's all it is. Yeah. That's the only thing that's holding you back. Yeah.

Is the amount of time that you would have to spend writing. And reading. But I think you would love it. You would enjoy it. You know, McKenna had some fascinating books. Food of the Gods. Oh. He had some crazy fucking theories that he pitched that I've seen scientists, especially

the doubling of the human brain size one. That was a really fascinating theory that he had. That he connected it. See, I'm not sure if he was right in terms of the climatological data. But his contention, for those of you who are aware of it, was that monkeys had come down from the trees and they experimented with new food sources. And they started flipping over cow patties to get to bugs because that's what they do and along the line they discovered psilocybin mushrooms yeah and he thinks that the grasslands um the rainforest becoming grasslands the change in climate led to these chimps these monkeys whatever our ancestors were led to them becoming

more experimental and that that it could be coincided with a bunch of different things that they know about mushrooms or it could be uh sort of confirmed with a bunch of different things one one with that mushrooms increase visual acuity yeah and they've shown this like in actual actual tests with real scientists who are experimenting with it who was the other guy there was one german guy a straight too, that experimented with this. God damn it. I'm trying to remember his name. But he had a really funny line.

What do you mean a straight guy? Straight guy meaning he wasn't a drug guy. He wasn't a drug culture guy. I don't mean straight like homosexual, heterosexual. I mean like he wasn't like Timothy Leary or McKenna or, you know, any of these guys who are like clear proponents of psychedelics. He was just a researcher. And they had found out that in low doses of psilocybin, like say if you changed an angle, if you had two parallel lines and you made one, just varied it ever so slightly.

With the psilocybin, they could tell when the angle was ever so slightly varied quicker than they could naturally yeah i i can remember yeah it's uh visual acute acuity in the in the periphery right so it's like expanding your peripheral vision by a tiny tiny little bit yeah i don't even know if the test pertained to periphery only it might have been peripherally as well because i do remember that one specific task, that one specific thing where they were trying to figure out how quickly you could recognize when an angle's changed. And you could do it quicker when you were high. That's crazy. Yeah, so there's that, and then there's the horniness.

Mushrooms are known to make people horny, so that happens. Yes, they are known for that. The creativity aspect of it, there's that. You know, like the tapping into alternative ways of thinking, and that would lead to a lot of innovation. And it's also possible that, it's really possible that psilocybin in some ways is a nutrient. I mean, it's also, it's an intoxicant for sure. It's an hallucinogenic, whatever that means.

But it might be a nutrient too. It's entirely possible that this increase in visual acuity and this horniness that it gives you and this connection to nature and this intense creativity, like you're tapping into a river of ideas and like scooping out buckets of them. Yeah. creativity like you're tapping into a river of ideas and like scooping out buckets of them yeah like all that might also it almost it might be something that when you're consuming it's actually beneficial to the body or beneficial to your brain but if it's having all those crazy positive effects on the brain it might have like a beneficial long-term effect in the brain and

they've been doing these studies on neurons on repairing neurons and psilocybin and psilocybin's role in repairing um brain disease or brain brain issues brain trauma might not have been neurons so you can find that um the most recent studies with psilocybin uh and brain damage and they think it might in some ways be able to repair brain damage well if that's the case what if these monkeys were just eating them all the time? Yeah, and their brains just grew. I mean, what if McKenna was right? Well, yeah, I mean I I think I think it is pretty safe a safe bet that Monkeys or what? I mean monkey isn't the right word proto hominids, right? Who are wandering the plains are gonna like if we're omnivores, we're definitely going to be eating whatever whatever we can find that gives us nutrition that has nutritional value, especially if you're out in the hunt.

You're hungry. The thing you're hunting, shitting food is growing out of it. Shit. Yeah. Well, I don't even think they were hunting then. I don't think they could hunt something that big. I don't think they had weapons. What do you think what they were doing was they were gathering, they were eating a lot of bugs. We were insectivores. I thought his idea was that there's climate change. And so we start moving into the grasslands and then we're hunting bovine animals. No, I don't think that was the contention. That's what I thought it was. I think the contention was flipping over the cow patties. I thought it was because the thing that you're hunting is going to be shitting things that grow mushrooms. No, I don't think so.

I think it was way later when they started doing that. One of the things, here's a study that Jamie pulled up. It says psilocybin mushrooms stimulate the growth of brain cells. the study that Jamie pulled up, it says psilocybin mushrooms stimulate the growth of brain cells. Psychedelic mushrooms have already had a reputation for helping people open their minds and broaden their perspectives in the world. Some have shown an ability to combat mental disorders like depression and anxiety. And now research is showing that magic mushrooms can actually help physically rebuild a damaged brain. Well, if that's the case, if it's the case that it can physically help rebuild a damaged brain, maybe over long-term consumption, it can actually make a brain grow.

I think I'm almost positive that McKenna's idea was not that they were hunting these things, but they were flipping over cow patties looking for beetles and grubs and worms and stuff. Sure. Because I think we're talking about, like, really small, ancient hominids. I don't think we really hunted until we figured out tools. I mean, not like large scale, like large animal type hunting. So I think that was way later than the human brain size growing. Like when they developed like the atlatl. You ever seen someone use that?

No. It's the precursor to the bow and arrow. Before the bow and arrow, they figured out a thing called an atlatl. Yeah. And it's crazy. It's got a handle on it and you put a spear in it. to the bow and arrow. Before the bow and arrow, they figured out a thing called an atlatl. And it's crazy. It's got a handle on it, and you put a spear in it, and you launch the spear with a handle.

Like, almost like it's a crazy lacrosse ball. Yeah, that's crazy. See it there? That's what it looks like. There's guys that make them, and there's videos, Jamie. You can see a guy that made his own and used it. There's a bunch of them, actually. But, you know, people take those things and they throw them at targets.

And they're not very accurate. I mean, they're okay accurate in comparison to, like, I guess if you were, you know, you weren't skilled and you tried to hit it with a rock. I mean, it's probably more accurate than that. And if you could sneak up on an animal, you could probably get some good penetration. They probably got really good at it eventually. But that was the first of many weapons that could launch things through the air that they figured out. Have you seen that weird ritual that chimpanzees are doing where they throw rocks at a tree? Have you seen that?

Yeah, what is that? Well, they don't know. It's the idea that they're developing their own weird culture, their own superstition or something, that they just feel like they're doing something. I mean, we don't understand what it is, but it's a thing where you're throwing rocks at trees. And then there's all these rocks that are kind of laying around certain trees

because chimps have decided to just start lobbing rocks at them. And they're saying, is this like some emerging chimpanzee religion or culture? Like, yeah, it's very weird, man. Like, what are they doing? Why? Do you know that they have it sort of been agreed upon by a lot of the people that study these animals that they're entering into the stone age right like this is this is the actual like when they're talking about chimpanzees and they're looking at their growth and they're learning

they're thinking that they're in a new place now they're thinking they're starting to use tools they're starting to use stones and other great apes are using tools as well. Like, we knew that they would get, not we, like you and I are out there doing research. As we predicted. As we predicted, Duncan. You know, we always knew they used sticks to get, like, termites and stuff. But now they're figuring out a way to do all kinds of crazy shit. Have you ever seen the one orangutan that figured out how to spear fish?

Yeah, I did see that shit. I have a fucking picture of him hanging over the river with a spear in his hand it's insane what to me what's really particularly interesting is that as as our society and our species is moving into some new era as we're moving into some god knows what the fuck it is these guys are too yeah it's like they're moving for them that what that state of the art that's some high that's fucking you're looking at goddamn uh elon musk right there that's the elon musk of orangutans right there like what the fuck look at him he's like fucking using that thing to get fish he's a genius that's a genius like in the same way that like we have people sending things to Mars

But it's funny that the two are coinciding like it's funny that it appears now I don't know how long this has been going on but it's like it seems like this Sort of trickle in of stories of monkeys suddenly doing doing things like this It could be related to just more people researching and getting more data. That's been there who knows is that a different one jamie or the same chimp the same orangutan it's the same guy oh there's a whole video of him doing it oh shit funny orangutan fishing wow haha it's just funny you're a leap forward in evolutionary history it's just funny. You're a leap forward in evolutionary history. It's funny to us, you hairy thing. So we're looking at him sitting there hanging on this rock,

looking over at this little puddle that they have fish in. It's obviously set up. So I think they probably taught him how to do this. He's not fishing in the wild. It's almost like he's getting groceries. It seems like a very small little uh like a puddle of with fish in it you know like they just taught him how to do it they're kind of cheating yeah that's cheating the other orangutan was doing it hanging over a flowing river like he was he was really figuring it out as he was going along yeah what's this guy doing he's like fucking picking at ropes yeah i mean this is a puddle right it seems like this is something or something

yeah right it seems like something they did for science yeah like they figured out a way to teach him how to stab those fish like if you just teach him that that's where the fish are and you get it with a stick that's not as impressive that's, you could teach a dog to do that. Well, I mean, I think I've seen birds. I think it's birds that use that. There's some video of a bird like putting bait down and then catching something with it. Like other creatures, you know, use bait to fish.

Like there are other species that do it. I've seen that too. Yeah, I've seen birds do it. Don't orcas do it too don't uh orcas do it too haven't orcas done it i don't know if they i didn't know they use bait yeah why do i feel like orcas have done it too yeah there you go look at that smart guy look at that yeah it's really interesting right yeah he just sits there and waits he waits for the fish to come near the bread he's like baiting like how did he figure it out it's did did he see something do it or did he like

innovate this himself who taught a real good question who taught him that and this isn't even like one of the most clever birds right like ravens ravens are the most clever yeah he's got to get his bread it It goes too far away. See, it gets away, and he's like, no, bitch, nobody rides for free. I'm bringing my bread back. I'm going to keep it right there. Right? They tried to move away with it.

Yeah. It got too far away. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, bitch. No, bitch, stay right here. You've seen, I'm sure, the- Look at that. Oh, look at that. Just snatched that fish.

That fish is like, what in the fuck just happened? The thing about it is, it snatched it up, and here's the thing, that bird is not that much bigger than that fish. Right. And it did it like it was nothing. That's how creepy birds are. Look, he snatched him and just walked away with it like no big deal. It's like you having, like, a small puppy in your hands. That's how he walked away with it.

I mean, bigger than a puppy like that thing's bigger than his head that's that's like a full-size dog oh yeah for sure but i'm saying like the way he held it was the way you would hold a puppy oh right like you'd have no problem walking with very light but that thing is you know probably 25 of its body weight like he's mostly feathers right take away all of his feathers that fish might be at the very least might be like you know 15 of its body weight yeah have you ever heard the idea of like uh you know like we smack a an ant or something you smash an ant and that ant has no no idea what there's no way that ant could possibly comprehend what has happened to it. Or when you have a line of ants

going into your sink or whatever. That line of ants, they can't comprehend what you are. Like, you walk by the line of ants, they have some instinct, maybe, to run away from you. A lot of times they don't even run away from you. You turn the sink on, kill like 30 of them in a second,

but they don't, they can't, whatever way they use to think, they can't process it, right? So death to that ant, it's going to be processing its extinction in some way that we can't even understand, right? So there's this idea, my friend was telling me that in the same way when a human dies what we process is like oh yeah he got in a car accident man what really happened was some kind of like hyper dimensional event that we can only see one tiny piece of that looks like a car accident in our the way our minds process the thing being wiped off the face of this dimension is by like, oh, car wreck, car wreck. But really, there's like all these other levels involved. So it's like maybe some hyperdimensional entity just squashed your friend.

And the way it manifested is like, oh, a car wreck. It was a car wreck. But really, no. That's just the way our brains process that event from where we're at currently in our ability to comprehend reality. People who listen to this are going, does that mean I can text and drive? Texting and driving is easy. It's fine. No, that's what they see when they see you doing that.

They smash you. Maybe it's just an accident. What? Death? No, maybe the accidents are just accidents. Maybe it's not a hyperdimensional being putting a squish down on you. I don't know, man. It looks like things are not like that, man.

But we don't, I mean, really, we don't know. But the same way these chimps are doing these things that to us seem pretty cute, really. Like, cute. In the same way, there's this idea that we're going to sort of god i wish i could remember who explained this it's like okay human existence up until the point of flight was turret was completely based on like getting like you would climb a mountain and then you could see the ground like you're from an airplane but that's pretty much it climb up a tree, I guess,

you get some altitude, you can see this whole new perspective on what things look like from a high place. But you certainly couldn't get the perspective of flying through the air and looking down at all this stuff that formerly in front of you is like looming over you. It's like when I, you know, I have two little dogs, adorable, adorable little babies, but you pick them up and like for you, it's no big deal. But for that dog, it's seeing what's on top of the fucking counters, man. It's like doesn't see that. Usually it's looking up at everything. So it transforms its reality a little bit.

So flight transformed human reality in this intense way. And now the satellites floating around our planet have transformed it even more. Because we see, oh shit, yeah, we're on a planet. We're like, it's a ball that we're floating around or a flat earth or whatever. But so in the same way, the next sort of liftoff is to somehow rise above the time- space continuum so that time itself becomes an

object instead of a thing that we're stuck inside of that's like the next big liftoff and that there are already things that are see time as an object instead of as a river that we're currently being rolled around in and for them we look totally different so that's like the next that's what like maybe mckenna was talking about the idea of the time machine or the singularity or whatever is that like once we figure that i know there's never going to be a fucking time i know it's insane but the theoretically it's possible you know people do say it it could be possible like there's no necessarily there is no reason for us to be stuck in the current way that we are at least that's from the fucking uh documentary i saw when i was

super stoned four years ago like they were saying you could use like the power of a star or something to yeah i'm trying to remember who what german mathematician was like a german mathematician that theorized about the the time machine and that the time machine would have to be i want to say the machine would have to be like as big as a solar system right and have to be spinning at the speed of light and you transverse this axis or something that's it yeah something like that insane but it's like it's not i mean obviously for where we're at right now, this isn't a feasible option. Right. But if it's possible and we exist in an infinite universe, then why wouldn't things have potentially figured out a way to get beyond the time-space continuum?

So, like, you know, we're looking for aliens inside of time and space, you know. But maybe there's, like, the thing we should be that we're looking for we don't even have the technology to scan outside of past present and future because that's what we're in right now these things are like way outside of our understanding of what um of what this even is we can't even fucking see them like the ants can't see us like we can't even see them we couldn't talk to them an ant can't talk to them. An ant can't talk to you. You know, I saved a bee from my swimming pool, and I swear to God, it seemed like it was thanking me. Like, I pulled it out.

How hot were you? What? One to ten. How hot? When am I not hot? Is the question. But I pulled the bumblebee out, and I put it down. I was, like, watching it. It's really cool, you know?

It, like, dried itself off. It went through this whole thing. It was like watching it it's really cool you know it's like it like dried itself off it went through this whole thing it's like watching a dog dry itself off and then I and then it did this like cool little like I swear it was like a little dance in front of me like this weird little cool little bobbing dance thing and then flew away I'm like did that fucking bee just like thank me or like was that like some form of attempting to communicate with me i mean bees certainly communicate with each other there is communication among insects and i don't know if they're aware that we exist but if they talk to each other isn't it possible they might try to talk to us did i ever tell you about the uh the time on fear factor where the bees communicated

with local bees did i tell you that no i didn't tell you that no this is a fascinating uh moment because there was a guy who was a beekeeper and what he was doing is he was uh it was at the sage brush sage brush rant no i forget the name of the ranch but it just burnt down in santa clarita it's this big ranch they used to film tv shows out there um they put these people, they put them, they attached them to like this, uh, this rope and then, uh, they made them stand like connected to this pole and they covered them with bees, like covered them from head to toe with bees. And they had to stand there for a certain amount of time. And some people didn't get stung at all.

It's really interesting. Like this guy really knew some people got stung. I got stung just for being around them. But this guy really knew how to take care of these bees. I was covered in bees at one point in time. And you just stay calm, and he eventually blows them off you with smoke and shit. Anyway, while they're doing this, he's a beekeeper, so he's got his own hive. This local group of bees came over, and they met in the sky above us.

And all of his bees went up to talk to all those bees and he said we got to get out of here we have to stand back and let them work this out we have to stop filming we stand back and let's work us work this out so as me and my friend David Hurwitz who was the producers show we were looking at each other like they're gonna talk it out like what the fuck and we're sitting there watching these bees above us just getting together. And they were literally trying to sort out who these new bees were, what their plans were. How'd you get on Fear Factor, man?

Can you get me on that show? Wait, what? Did you go to SAG? Are you in SAG? That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. Yeah, it was really interesting. And it lasted for about a half an hour, if I remember correctly.

They talked it out for a half an hour, and then the other bees went their separate way. And then everybody figured out. Everybody knew where everybody belonged. Right. Like those tiny little itsy bitsy pinhead brains had decided these are not their friends. These are their friends. This is where they belong. They're in this traveling hive that for some reason is in the middle of Santa Clarita right now.

Yeah. It's nuts. I mean, all the levels of communication happening around us at any given moment are, it's astounding. We can't deal with it. Like, it's just too much to handle. So we sort of get focused on our own little lives as human beings or whatever. But fuck, man. There's a lot more

going on i mean just that yeah you know that if that's happening with bees there's then it's probably happening with everything and so then we're in this like and we talk about this a lot but that means we really are in a matrix of intelligence and we've just decided to focus on this one the way that we're doing it right now you know which is a pretty uh it's sad in a weird way because we do you do cut out you cut yourself out of a whole other uh community that's one of the things i like about like the native american mythology is that they uh you know it seems like they had less of a distinction between humans and animals it was like these are our brothers too i'm confused what you're saying but you're cutting yourself out of a community

like what do you mean so it's like okay like let's just take it from the human level okay you a lot of people they don't even mean to be but they're snobs right so they'll see human snobs right so a human snob is exclusive right so they have this exclusive relationship with the world where they allow into their periphery or in their circle of friends I'm letting you into my circle of friends so I have this like tight circle of friends and then other people based on whatever their particular metric is for determining who they want around them you know shit snobs are the ones who are who. You know those people who happen to only be friends with successful people?

It's like they're only friends with celebrities and they're only friends. Like weird. That's a weird coincidence. How did that happen? Holy shit. I don't understand how that happened. You know, so there's that, which is like for them, they want to interact in this particular like part of the societal ecosystem which means they're

excluding excluding excluding excluding all these other fucking people right right and so the moment you stop your you start experimenting with not excluding people as much as you can this doesn't mean you let annoying people around or people who have their don't have your your the good intentions with you around or whatever you sound like you're giving advice to stuck up hollywood elites no i'm giving advice just not it's not just in hollywood it's like it's a the elites in general there's actually some book i heard about i didn't read it it's a really cool idea though which is like the galapagos islands here we have these beings that have evolved in a certain way because they're completely separated from everything else. It's fascinating to see. So in the same way, there's a kind of economic Galapagos that happens with wealthy people, which is so this creates a kind of hybrid, a weird new form of human being, which is the elite wealthy class, not a new idea. The Kings and Queens would only like

fuck with them bloodlines and stuff. I mean, it was an intentional form of like wealth eugenics or something. But so, uh, but anyway, what ends up happening when you're doing that is, uh, you end up cutting off all these other forms of information that come in. And then also you start living according to a pretty ridiculous fucking idea, which is that all these other people, whatever they're doing, whoever they are, whatever it is, you know, that's just not really worth it. Like, what does that person really have to tell me that i need to hear you know is that what it is or is it that they feel like they can get along with those other people because the other people are going to understand them because people do find like-minded groups of people and hang out together and if you're like some super wealthy rothschild guy yeah and

you become friends with some weirdo painter dude i mean how much do you guys have in common it doesn't you have so much in common so much really fuck yeah you do man you have the human condition you have the gravity you're both dealing with a gravitational field you're both in a fucking body that's goddamn melting down with the progression of time you're uh you're probably gonna have to both you're gonna have to bury your mom you're gonna have to bury your dad you're both there's so many sure there's a lot of things you have in common but they would have to bury your mom. You're going to have to bury your dad. You're both. There's so many. Sure. There's a lot of things you have in common. But they would have to completely open their mind up to accept all these things. That's it.

You have to change the way a person thinks. And you have to change, in essence, who they are. Right? And some people just don't have any desire to do that. Well, there's the problem. And what's even worse is when that kind of idea is encouraged, when that's looked at as like, oh, this is just a totally normal way to be.

Country club. Uptown girl. She's been living in an uptown world. I bet she never had a backstreet girl. Yeah, that shit, man. So that exclusivity, even from a human perspective, cuts you off to all these, a lot of data. Admittedly, some of that data is probably going to suck. But a lot of the data is going to be really fucking good information that can make your life better.

Stuff's going to come to you that you would never expect when you stop being, when you reduce your exclusivity. So in that same way, humans as a species are exclusive, right? We are, we place ourselves as the top of the food chain, human beings. And underneath this is all this, all this incredible biomass filled with all these other forms of life that we have managed. Many people have managed to reduce to being some kind of meat machine or vegetable or vegetable. Exactly.

Or plant life or whatever it is. It's all life. It's all life. And, and, and anytime you start talking about like, I, I'm not positive about this,

but I feel like I can communicate with this plant in some way. Like when I'm watering my plants, I swear to God, man, some little piece of me is like, I think they know I'm watering them. Like I think there's an awareness here. I don't know if it's real either, but it does feel interesting. Yeah. I've been in grow rooms before.

There you go. And grow rooms are like, it's like you walked into a room full of happy aliens. Yeah. It's really what it's like. It's like, hi. Like, hey, how you guys doing? Yeah. It really feels like you's like hi like hey how you guys doing yeah it really feels like you're saying hi to all these plants that's it man it might be a hundred percent bullshit it might be a hundred percent in my imagination i might have concocted it out of

thin air but going back to what you were saying earlier about ants and the system that ants live under in bees how these bees can communicate with each other through pheromones and some other way. I mean, I don't know exactly how they're sorting out who's who and which clan belongs in what part of the woods or, you know, who the fuck knows. But the thing that we know about human beings is that there are signals that are around us constantly that we can't detect. Right. Wi-Fi and radio and television and satellite. All that stuff is broadcasting around us through the air around us constantly and we can't detect it. Right.

And we also know that all throughout nature there's animals that are blind. There's animals that can't see. There's worms. There's all sorts of things that have no idea you're there. No idea that you're watching television. And there's no idea that you're about to get in your car. They don't even know what the fuck a car is because they don't have the senses to detect it. Why would we assume that we hit the fucking bonanza with the senses and we've got it all

down? I don't know. It's ridiculous, right? It's ridiculous. There's probably, like, I mean, I don't know what those quantum physicist guys are up to. I think, didn't they say they were up to like, they believe there's more than 30 different dimensions now? Yeah.

They used to think it was 11, and now there's some schools of thought that it's like 30 dimensions. Yeah. Who the fuck knows? It could be infinite. But the point is, these could be worlds that are in our midst. Yeah. They're just in a non-physical sense.

That's it. The same way ideas are non-physical, the same way ideas are non-physical the same way imagination is non-physical right the same way like you know certain forms of communication you're just saying something to someone right i'm looking at you i'm telling you i love you and you're my friend yeah it's a non-physical thing but it gives you a physical reaction like oh thanks man I love you too I'm glad we're friends that's some sort of weird non-physical energy exchange

it's not just as simple as two people showing affection for each other two friends showing each other love there's something else going on too there's an energy exchange there's both people get happy when I tell someone I love them. I get happy too Yeah, they get happy the whole everybody boosts up. It's like a very underrated thing telling your friends

I love it. Yeah. Oh, it's shocking like when you're not even supposed to do it But like again because we live it this is it so much of what we live in is like very advanced but so much of it is like Ridiculously barbaric and primitive that to tell your friend you love them can be a shocking moment. Ari Shaffir still stammers. It's so weird! I go, alright, I love you dude.

He goes, I love you too. Joey Diaz, you know I love you dog. Joey's like the most loving guy of all time. Eddie Bravo's a very loving guy. We know a lot of loving people. Schaub's loving. I think we are love.

And the thing that I've been thinking lately or just playing around this idea is like, what if? I have all these different versions of it. I don't quite know the right way to get it out. to get it out. But like, so imagine like directly behind you is a window that opens up into a universe where everything's made of love. Right. And you're standing in front of the window, blocking that light, right? You're standing in front of the window. And so like the human condition, again, this is just a thought experiment and admittedly a very high thought experiment that I had, but I can't get it out of my head. So and I've heard Ram Dass give different versions of this, too. But so the idea is like, here's this window opening up into this alternate.

I don't even want to call it an alternate universe, the actual universe. I guess it's kind of like Plato's allegory of the cave, too. But you're standing in front of this fucking window blocking the love your ego is, right? Your ego is. And so the more opaque your ego becomes, the more you allow yourself to become less and less of a thing stuck to anything at all, the more the light from that universe shines into this one, right?

So when you're with someone who's like, I love you, I really love you, they've gotten over their ego enough to let the light from that window, they've kind of like managed to let that light shine through them for a second into this dimension, which is why it's so shocking. And like maybe why babies are so entrancing because there's no ego there. They're just a pure blast of love or dogs in in the same way. Or cats. Or anything that loves you is so incredible because what they actually are are like windows or portals into the reality of what our universe is, which is love. And so if you're blocking the window, then that means that you're mostly living in a world of shadows.

A person who's very egotistical is living in a shadowy world. Dude, you spent way too much time at Burning Man. You fried your brain. I didn't spend enough time at Burning Man. You fried your brain. You're talking windows, love, letting things through. Let it in, man. Let love in.

Let it in. When are you starting your cult? Can I join? I want to join yours. Can we join each other's? I was just thinking when you were talking about dimensions, like, is that an egotistical point of view that we have, that there's like a portal to another dimension? And is it really just that these dimensions are constantly around us?

We just don't have the ability to access them. Like, they're there all the time. Yeah. Maybe that's, like, legitimately why no one, like the Fermi paradox, you know the Fermi paradox? Yes. Which is, if there's so many stars and so many planets, where are all the aliens?

Where's the fucking aliens? Maybe they don't, maybe they get so smart that they never do that like maybe no one does that maybe we're we're like in this rudimentary thing like these stupid fucks are still they're still making metal dicks and trying to fuck the sky yeah shooting rockets up into space yeah and they're landing people and they're still doing it that way like they they lack the ability to transcend space and time and to just pass through other dimensions. It's like as a species, we're like a crazy person in a bus station staring at his hand and being like, where are the aliens?

I don't see the aliens in my hand. When it's like all he has to do is look up and he's surrounded by it. And you know the ultimate mindfuck when it comes to the time travel, right? No. by it and you know the ultimate mind fuck when it comes to the time travel right no the ultimate mind fuck when it comes to time travel is that one day they are going to have a time machine and it's probably likely it might take a hundred thousand years yeah right who knows how long think about when was the first tool like what was it a couple hundred thousand years ago that they i don't know i think it was i think the first tools were somewhere around i have to look at my calendar i'm not sure so from the first tool to now a couple

hundred thousand years i think from now to a time machine if we stay alive if we don't blow ourselves up we don't get hit by an asteroid if we keep improving yeah they're to figure it out. And the day they figure it out, what becomes crazy is then all time travel from any point in the future to that moment is possible. And to any place else on the scale. See, the idea is that you can only travel where there's a road. So once the time machine is invented, time ceases to be linear and everything happens all at once. Right. Like literally anyone can come back to any point in time and go back and forth. You could smack someone and then you go back in time before you smack them and kiss them

and then go back in time and smack them and then go back in time and kiss them. You could pull their pants down. You could pull their pants up. You could do whatever the fuck. I mean, you literally could go back and forth in time and it would have never happened right and you'd be communicating with the same person once it happens so once it does happen and people have access to it which that access like everything else whether it's cell phones or automobiles or anything the accents the access starts in a limited way or very few people could afford it

and then it becomes worldwide did we talk about directed panspermia already as related to time travel no i don't think so so it's like the idea directed panspermia i mean intentional like yeah it's a it's a tricky yeah it's like exactly so the idea is like okay uh i so i know this idea well you need the road to travel. So we need to build the road. So let's say I do invent the technology for a time machine, which basically means I have point A. Now I need a point B, right? So the point B, I've got to get the further out the point B is, I guess, the more powerful the time machine would be right so this is the idea of directed panspermia as a means of uh time travel is assuming you are the super advanced species then what you do is you create these genetic these these like you you create

like dna you create a kind of packaged thing that when it lands in the right environment that you could live in has the tendency to evolve into a technological civilization that will build a time machine that is actually point B for your time machine. So you release from your planet just infinite blasts of this DNA.

And you know that when it lands on the road and the seed finds the right soil, it's going to grow into a technological tree that at the end of its growth is going to flower with your point B, the end of your time machine. So if you were this kind of interstellar traveler, then for you, you would send these seeds out into time. And then the moment a time that they got to the point where they built a time machine for you, it seemed like it happened instantly. There's your point B. You don't know what it's going to lead to, but you know, it's going to be at least a habitable planet because you've developed this, these, these genetic machines to only take root in a planet that you could live on. So what we are are these genetic robots that are compelled to build technology because

we're opening up the point B in some kind of interstellar time machine. And that's what the singularity is. It's when our creator masters come through the time portal that we've opened up on this planet and say, oh, hi, you did it. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty interesting. It seems like it works. It seems so science fiction-y though, that if we really got to a point, like imagine if our civilization had gotten to a point where we could transcend space and time and travel through the universe and go to any place at any point in time and even drop the seeds of life on a planet.

and go to any place at any point in time and even drop the seeds of life on a planet. And so what is that term that they were going to use on Mars where they, what is it called? What's the term when you take a planet? Terraforming. Terraforming. Yes, thank you. And that they had done this.

And then they're going to come back like the Silver Surfer and fucking like, I don't think so. I think we're them. I think we are them. I don't think there's anything else. This is what I think we are them. I don't think there's anything else This is what I think and I think this is a ridiculous way to look at it, too Because I don't know and I'm talking shit sure me too, but I think it is entirely possible that we're number one Meaning that we're the first we're the first. We're the first of all these things to achieve this state and

That when these to achieve this state. And that when these things achieve this state, they either blow themselves up or they keep going and they become more and more advanced. But I don't think it happens very often. And I might be wrong. I might be totally wrong. But it hasn't happened anywhere near us. So let's pretend that the galaxy that we look at right now

that we can see, let's pretend that's the universe. What if we find out that out of this galaxy of hundreds of millions of stars, we're the only intelligent life? Yeah. That drastically narrows the possibility for intelligent life everywhere else in the universe, except for the fact that the universe is infinite,

which means that not only is there intelligent life somewhere in the universe, there's a Duncan Trussell somewhere in the universe. Not only is there a Duncan Trussell, but there's a Duncan Trussell that said everything that you said in the exact same order with every pause every time you dribble piss on your toilet seat and you i'll take care of that later yeah and you shut the lid it did that to the exact t an infinite number of times throughout space and time right so like not only is there one of, but there's an infinite number of yous and then an infinite number of possibilities left and right that you could have gone.

Different paths you could have taken. That's how big the universe is. That's how big infinity is. But that doesn't mean that anything's ever gotten smarter than this. This is the only thing that we know that's gotten this smart. And it might be this is the only thing that's got this smart. Because something had to be the first thing that got know that's gotten this smart right and it might be this is the only thing that's got this smart because something had to be the first thing that got this smart it didn't have unless it happened simultaneously like we're saying that it happened with a bunch of things but let's call

that thing the same thing in different places it's not like there's a gray alien with big black eyes and a giant head and a little skinny neck that reads your mind and flies through magnetic fields right we're not talking about that we're talking about you and i this thing this thing might exist an infinite number of times all throughout space and time but let's call it this one thing right this one thing this might be the first time anything has gotten as advanced as this one thing so it's like the term the simulationists are using is base reality like this is base reality yeah and they And the statistical probability of this being base reality is somehow, it's more probable this isn't base reality. But yeah, it is a probability that this is base reality.

And there's also a probability that this isn't base reality. You get to roll the dice on that one. Who knows? Who knows? I mean, it's impossible to really, like, at this point, we can't prove that this isn't the default base reality that the entire universe is experiencing. But my guess would be that no way, man. This is like a, I think it's more realistic that we're in a fucking, like a novelty farm, like some kind of technological novelty farm. Like it's,

we're in like a, I mean, to use human terms, we're like, I mean, if you could simulate a universe and then create intelligent anything, sentient, intelligent beings that are particularly sentient, intelligent beings that matched you, your species, duplicate yourself even, and then run that duplication an infinite number of times in this server mechanism or whatever you have in your supercomputer. And then like, you know, you just set time to loop, uh, and it'll as fast a rate as your computer would let you. So at night you just like, you've let it run in the morning, you wake up and it's like, Oh fuck, look Hemingway. Huh? That's interesting. The entire works of

Hemingway just got generated in my universe simulator by one of the simulated creatures that I had in there. I mean, it's a very prosperous job. You'd be like a novelty farmer or something. In the same way they've got those fucking Bitcoin things that are, like, constantly grinding to, like, make Bitcoins. You're fucking making universes. And inside the universes, the universes are making universes and inside the universes the universes are making planets and the planets are making technology and the technology is being uh every single whatever your morning happens to be whenever you wake up you're like oh cool we've got whoa

that's interesting that's a new form of teleportation i haven't seen that before it's a way to like harvest information from uh kind of living AI or something like that. You know, it seems like it'd be a very, a really smart way to kind of like gather data or to create not novelty events. I mean, just for the pure entertainment of it. Like if you had a way to like access, like five, like for you, it's like, you know, right now we download a movie. It takes like two minutes, five minutes, what what depending on your connection in the same way like you wait five minutes and a universe is born

and dies and throughout that it can pick out an interesting moment it's like look at this oh look here's that moment where in that planet uh the world war three started because fucking russia wanted to like secure syria and we didn't want it to happen. Wow, look at the disaster. Well, we already have examples of this in a rudimentary form and all these new universes that are being created in these online games that people are playing. Exactly, yeah. What are those games, Jamie?

What are those games called? Do you know the name of those games where they create different worlds? Oh, yeah. It's called Procedural Generation. You're talking about the No Man's Sky, the game that everyone got angry about. Why'd they get angry about it? Well, they got angry about it because the summation of the anger is just because something is gigantic doesn't mean it's entertaining, right? loop because if you're going to procedurally generate an infinite uh you're a semi-infinite universe with all these different planets and stuff then that means you need an ai that you

can procedurally generate that's also going to procedurally generate you know what we consider to be a game like you know interesting storylines fun things to do it's just you're just creating things right well that's one part the other part that people got mad about is the apparently not even apparently you can see like people got so mad god may you never piss off the gaming community that's like just like don't fuck with it man because they swore man and it's vicious and brutal like i was playing the game and really enjoying it for like at least a week and a half two weeks and i would go on like reddit no man's sky and read the comments and I'd be like God you guys are fucking dicks this game's super fun I'm on the best fucking time of my I'm never gonna play this again talk to you out of it no I know in the game it

just suddenly it's like wait they got boring it got boring and it got you know for me it got boring for other people I know some people who still enjoy it. But you were saying you guys are dicks. Because when I was enjoying it, reading their critique. Right, I get it. But really, it was like reading the critique of gourmet chefs far more familiar with like where gaming is at. You know, these are people who play games all the time and know it and like have very

high expectations. But anyway, the point is, yes, it procedurally generates this incredible universe, but it ends up getting kind of boring or something like that. But yeah, procedurally generate, like we are in a procedurally generated universe that is producing novelty events, which may be in the universe that we are being procedurally generated out of as a form of currency or a form of currency or a form of entertainment or a form of something we don't even understand yet. But all I know is if there was a game called Universe Creator,

run your computer and your universe will at some point generate sentient life, that at some point will start generating technology, that at some point you'll be generating technology, that at some point you'll be able to like watch and possibly use in your own dimension, then I would be running that. If I was a company, I would definitely be running that software for sure. I would want that to exist just for pure capitalism. What's better than like having a never ending stream of inventions coming from your universe simulator that you could then market in this dimension?

I think there's something weird that we do, too, where we look at things that we can generate with a computer versus things that sort of exist in the real world. And we look at them as coming from different sources, something that man makes versus something that just happens. Yeah. And because of we look at it from different sources, I don't think we recognize that it's kind of the same thing. Like, there's a long process from a star exploding to a human being being born, but they're all connected. Right. That star exploding is necessary for the development of the carbon-based life form on the earth. Right.

Right? So the elements that make us, a star had to blow up. Like there's this long part. But we don't think of that as like being made because it takes too long. We decide we're going to call it evolution or natural selection. Yes. Because it takes too long. We decide we're going to call it evolution or natural selection. But by defining any of these things in that way, we've failed to look at the thing for what the thing is. What the thing is, forget about whether evolution is real or creation is real. That's nonsense.

That doesn't mean anything. Like whatever is doing it, it's doing it. And it's doing it from a star blowing up to a person talking about a star blowing up to his friend yeah like right now yeah that's right this this is all made like whatever you've made has been made by this process right any great painter any architect who's built the most incredible buildings you were were made. This whole thing is made. Right. And you're making things too,

but those things aren't any more significant than trees, than all this. The whole thing is nuts. Yeah. The whole thing is somehow or another getting more and more complex, more and more involved, more and more aware, faster information sharing between the things that make the things yeah and making more and

crazier and better things yeah but all of these things made by a star explosion right yeah i guess like if you want to get like technical the so when you say made yeah what starts it and employ okay right so you i mean it's a process, right? You know me, man. I think this, I think we're probably like, I really do think that whatever this is, is like, is literally made in the sense of like a maker. Like it was. You really think there's a maker? I think it was.

An individual? What? An individual? I don't think it's an individual, but I, and I don't think it's like some. A force? I don't think it's an individual, but I, and I don't think it's like some force. I think it's the, uh, yeah, create something that's very creative. And I think that it's, or it's a source of creativity. And, uh, I think that it's, uh, you know, I, I mean, I'm a fuck it.

I I'll say I'm a theist, man. Like I pray. I, I, I dare you. I'm sorry. I do. I love it too. I know. I'm going're gonna press pause just sounds of you punching me i wake up duncan i fucking look i i just love to pray and like when my life gets better when i pray and like i just love it but it's it's me i mean i fucking you know me i don't have to ever people i know you too so i enjoy so when i said so when you say

well what is it an individual i think it's like there's lots of different ways of saying it and every single way of saying it falls short of what it is now there's a i keep telling you about this guy man and one day i hope you pick him up there's a buddhist teacher named chogyam trampa who says so i'll like getting an argument chogyam trampa, who says, so I'll like get in an argument with Chogyam Trungpa. Like if he heard me spew that bullshit, what he would say is wait. So when I ask you, is it an individual? Is it a thing? Is it a person? And you say, I don't know, man, there's no words for it. Then at that moment, what you've done is you've taken your confusion and you've put it on an altar

and you've started worshiping it as though it were your god your ability to not articulate the thing is not an indication of the existence of a thing but is more the indication of your laziness because you want to like deify your uh confused passionate emptiness it's something like that there's a great Ford in one of his books that is that's a great quote echoed through my fucking head ever since I read it yeah exactly that's like a Courtney Love

song yeah yeah yeah confused passionate emptiness but so that being said I still the I think you should do experiments in reaching out to the transcendent as though it were possibly an embodied thing that was a lot smarter than you. And if the result of the experiment is nothing, if you just feel embarrassed or dumb or you're like, why the fuck am I praying? You lose nothing. Then who cares? You lose nothing. if you just feel embarrassed or dumb or you're like why the fuck am i praying why there's nothing then who cares you lose nothing but if the result of the experiment is even as a placebo effect

you begin to experience a shift in your subjective reality then i think it's worth continuing those experiments and seeing like how it unfolds well let's take away that definition, the placebo effect. Because if you have in some way decided to meditate towards the objective of communicating with the great love that runs the universe. Yeah. And somehow or another that benefits you. That's not a placebo effect. Right. That's a shift in your consciousness. Whether or not it's validated by the existence of that thing doesn't matter.

It's still a shift in your consciousness through what appears to be a decision, appears to be a decision that you've made to gravitate towards God. Yeah. Or gravitate towards love. Yeah. You know, I've always had the problem whenever people talk about intelligent design or a thing or a deity, and this is my own problem, I automatically think of instead of the universe, like say there's a universe and then there's this thing over here, like right next to the universe. It's like, oh, I'm just going to sit here and make the universe. It's a stupid way that I look at it it's completely my own like you can grow up or you can just sort of form these ideas in your head about what a deity is and then those ideas can be little prisons yeah when you try

to define the universe right so my defining the universe as the universe being this thing that this thing is created and it's sitting over here in this other thing like is it in the universe does it does it build it from the universe right like where is it is it next door is it a condo next to the universe like what does it have like how is is it a part of the universe is it yeah or is it that the idea of an individual is the wrong way to look at it that if you look at all the life on earth, right? Yeah. It seems that there's a lot of things in nature that are fractal, right? Sure.

It seems to exist pretty much everywhere you look. Yeah. And when they start looking at subatomic particles and you realize how deep they can go and how small they can measure things. And then you look at the size of the universe itself. You look at the size of galaxies and black holes and just the vastness of space and the ability to measure i think they measure 13 point something billion light years since the big bad all that madness all that craziness that they're they're they're trying to uh i think by looking at all that stuff, by looking at the vastness of all this, we define it in this way where there's a Duncan over here and there's an ant over there and there's another animal over here.

But inside of all of us are a bunch of different animals that are all little tiny ecosystems. Right. of us are a bunch of different animals that are all little tiny ecosystems right like inside every person there's not a single individual life form that's a person every person requires all this life inside of it you coli living in your body and all sorts of gut flora all sorts of things that are not you right but there are you because you are a system. You're a system just like your neighborhood's a system. Just like the rainforest is a system. I'm sure all the people in the rainforest that are, you know, hunting with bows and arrows and looking out for jaguars, I'm sure they don't think of themselves as a system, but they're a life system. That's how life balances itself out,

They're a life system. That's how life balances itself out, both in your gut and in the jungle and in the mountains of Montana and in the savannas of Africa. These are all systems, life systems. And our vision of life systems is that this life system is contained to this planet. And this is it. But you have everything on this planet, right? The life system that's contained on this planet is all bathed in oxygen, right? It's all these gases.

Yeah. And the elimination of those gases does not mean that you're not connected to all the other things that don't have those gases. You take those gases away, you go into space itself. You're still fucking connected to that. Yeah. You're still a soup. You're a part of an infinite soup of space yeah and you just like a subatomic particle that blinks in and out of existence that they can

measure it's moving and it's not moving it's there and it's gone this is how small the life form of a planet is right in comparison to the mass of the universe itself, which might very well be, just like every other fractal, the bigger you get, the more it represents the same patterns over and over again in larger scales. That's right. The entire planet could be a subatomic particle in the cell of an organism that lives on another planet.

The entire universe itself. Or if you want to even go deeper, the entire universe could be some kind of like uh synaptic pulse in the brain of uh an entity just having a dream like so which is the synaptic pulse of another entity right it's also having a dream this is bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and there's no end this is the uh this is this is the one of the first in the emerald tablet this alchemical you've seen that we've probably talked about it no it's the emerald tablet look it up it's the emerald tablet it's a book it's the it's like this alchemical text that's like this super condensed uh it's really old yeah it's

really fucking old man and then i'm gonna try to say try to say that it's got a great name that I always say it wrong and I always get corrected. And so I'll say it wrong again. The Emerald Tablet. There it is. Of Hermes Trimested Something. But if you open it up, open up the Emerald Tablet. And then hopefully we can see what it says on it. Because it's like, there it is.

Okay. What is the first one say? Okay. To certain with error, certain and most true. So you just said number two, that which is below is like that, which is above.

And that which is above is like that, which is below, um, to do the miracles of only one thing. And as all things have been in a rose from one by the mediation of one. So all things have their birth from this one thing and as all things have been and arose from one by the mediation of one so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation so anyway it's like so it's all the shit that we were just talking about somebody had already figured it out well it's it's like so yeah it's like the it's the it's evidence that other people have been as high as we are enough to put it in a

tablet dude they didn't have podcasts they used to like have to carve shit in a tablet it took a lot of words write that down we got to find some emerald man yeah if you had to write all that on bark yeah it's a lot of work yeah but this is kind of the like the all these alchemical ideas i guess it's like it only makes sense that if we see these fractals all throughout nature yeah we can observe them here and that our idea is that we can only observe subatomic particles that that's the whole universe like it's probably

infinitely smaller than that by the way here's what's cool about that is that is a translation by Isaac Newton yeah so and he was really into this shit man like Newton was fucking nuts like he was was asexual too right i i think he was like i think he's i don't want to say because he's like it's a i don't know if he's asexual but if

he was i think a lot of these guys they were fucking around with mercury a lot and like it was like messing with their heads like i'm sure yeah but uh i don't know god forgive me everyone out there i don't but go to newton and the occult go back and look at the occult section it's really interesting i don't think a lot of people are the occult. Go back and look at the occult section. It's really interesting. I don't think a lot of people are aware of the fact that Newton was deeply into the occult. Like, yeah. Yeah. A lot of those scientists and deep thinkers back then were they were checking on all sorts of different things.

Well, I mean, checking on it is one way to put it. Another way to put it is like it may be that some of these people figured out ways to directly communicate with this intelligence that I certainly believe in. Maybe it's through mercury poisoning. Yeah, maybe mercury is the way. Do you know what's speaking? Go back to his personal life because you were showing his personal life stuff there. I want to make sure I'm right because I said that he was asexual. I read some weirdness about the way he viewed sex and wasn't he a christian as well uh pretty hardcore christian i don't know what kind of christian he

was like that's a that's a whole lot i mean christian's a big word never married although he was once what is it what does it say once claimed that he is oh although it was once it was claimed that he was engaged newton never married the widespread belief that he died of a virgin Has been common commented on by writers such as mathematician charles hutton probably a hater economist john Maynard canes keynes hater and physicist carl sagan. How dare you carl? Well, thank god. I just said it I just said it fuck me. You did say why why are you talking talking shit about newton not even talking shit about i'm just fascinated by um

individuals that are brilliant beyond beyond the norm like tesla who was also like a weird guy sexually yeah fell in love with a pigeon yes you know the whole deal yeah i know it was completely out of his mind but yet insanely brilliant brilliant. Well, yeah. Insanely brilliant. I think that's what happens is like what we, and by the way, we call them out of their minds, you know, where meanwhile,

like what are we doing that makes any fucking sense? Like, well, yeah, they're crazy. I got it all figured out. Look what I'm doing. I'm sitting in a fucking podcast studio talking about the infinite universe.

It's like, we're all like the idea that any, there is a kind of, uh, pattern that's like we're all like the idea that any there is a kind of uh pattern that's like oh yeah that's the sane pattern right there well i think these people they uh they do make contact and i think you know we talk about like uh uh one of my favorite i think you told me this joe one of my favorite uh u you told me this Joe one of my favorite UFO conspiracy theories is that Roswell was a real alien crash and that we can chart The evolution of technology from the Roswell alien crash that technology is actually some kind of alien

Virus that came in through what Roswell and is now spreading through our through. That's the most popular conspiracy theory when it comes to the creation of the transistor. Bell Laboratories, which is in New Jersey. There's an Air Force base outside of Bell Laboratories. And Bell Laboratories is supposed to be where they examined all the parts that they took from the UFO and they flew it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And then they took all the parts that they took from the UFO and they flew it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and then they took all the stuff out of it. It's so fantastic. Dude, one of the many things I love about you, man, is you are like the Library of Congress

for this stuff. Whereas in my mind, it's just like a murky swamp when I try to remember. It's like if I pull, you can in detail expound on these things. You like photographically memorize them. I think it's really cool. And so therefore I know that you were the one who told me this. And I think about it a lot. It's a really cool idea.

But I think it's funny because for us we're like, okay, the way we would get technology is by a metal craft shooting into the earth. And then we're going to take that and make technology whereas i think the real alien encounters that happen throughout history the ufo encounters a ufo for lack for for lack of a better word a ufo flies through the consciousness of isaac newton and isaac newton tesla all of the great inventors have this spontaneous idea where they're like, wait, what, wait, oh, wait. And so the alien technology is actually not something that necessarily has to be matter, but starts as a thought form that then gets sort of produced through the spinneret of the particular inventor that allows it to come through them. I said this very thing in an interview today

The very exact thing because we were talking about ideas possibly being a life form right ideas being a form of like what creativity and ideas being a form of life that Forces the change on an environment. Forces the change in a civilization. They come from ideas. The ideas, creativity is responsible for everything, including this microphone, the internet connection, the building we're in, everything we're wearing, everything, the car you drove to get here. All of it comes from the imagination, from ideas, and from creativity. And the initial burst of imagination comes from where we don't know it

might be a life form it might be as much of a life form as a physical thing like like a person or it might be the uh okay so like a plane or you know like a i don't know you see in the it's never actually happened to me but like a plane flies too low and like the fucking trees are like when a helicopter is landing, the trees blow. People have to hold their hands to their ears. Right. So maybe when these like transcendent objects enter into our time space continuum, shit tons of people start having the very same idea or different like brilliant ideas that are actually just the sort of impact that this craft as it passes through our planet or passes near us or whatever that means from the dimension that they're in maybe that's the impact that it has on our consciousness is the sudden origination of these incredible ideas that end up creating massive

shifts in our society that that that's because if you look at like tesla where he got his ideas and i don't know about newton but a lot of uh great inventors there it's not like their ideas came as they were sitting at the whiteboard calculating and then they got a eureka moment it's like they had dreams well tesla literally was claiming that he was getting some information from space yeah he thought he was getting information from space that's right yeah um i i think i think you're onto something john lily too but he was so fucked up all the time though yeah does he know it's space lily was shooting intramuscular ketamine and then climbing into an isolation tank all the time yeah lsd isolation but the ketamine injections that was towards the end like i think I think in the beginning.

It was LSD. It was LSD. And there was like, and it was like, I think he got to the point where he recognized that maybe his physical body was actually getting in the way of what he actually was. So he just sort of wanted to melt into nothingness. And it was sort of troubled by this thing. Whoa. Yeah. He was like, I got to keep coming back to this this fucking thing he's ready to get out of it not as a suicidal

way but just like the way that a uh something that is molted has to like discard it so he was so far removed i don't want to say gone because i don't think he's wrong but he was so far removed from the average human being like in terms of like how bizarre his paths of thinking had gone yeah and what he was trying to accomplish he was trying to mean he's a pioneer of interspecies communication with dolphins get dolphins high on acid yeah he would get high on acid he was giving acid to dolphins I didn't know that part of the story Do you know that his research on dolphins was all cancelled because the girl who was a scientist was jerking the dolphin off

That got his research cancelled. Yeah, that was one of the things that got this the project she was living with a dolphin I like this story you're telling me because it's the story of the fucking luckiest dolphin Like you know what? i mean like not only i'm saying if you get caught as a dolphin it's not great but if you are going to get caught by the monkeys and you don't and you end up in a place where they like they're giving you acid and jerking you off that's the sound dolphin makes when you jerk them off can you imagine if that dolphin got in a conversation with a sea world dolphin and they're like wait what wait what you get jerked off dude they're giving you

acid and i have to do flips for fat kids fuck this man fuck this gig she jerks you off how often every day every day yeah and she kind of likes it i don't she doesn't like it i don't understand how that got his experiments canceled because it's pleasure because we're so puritanical we like through a scientist it's not it makes sense this dolphin was severely distracted it was horny all the time yeah she would jerk the dolphin off the dolphin could relax and then it would do its work right but the dolphin was always horny all the time. Yeah. She would jerk the dolphin off. The dolphin could relax and then it would do its work. Right. But the dolphin was always horny.

Yeah. Because the dolphin's like a kid. You know, the dolphin's like an 18-year-old kid. Yeah. Like, 18-year-old kid with a boner. It's just so distracted. Yeah. Good luck trying to get him to do work.

Right. So she just thought rationally, first of all, she's a scientist. She didn't think there was anything wrong with sex. And she definitely realized that there was a problem in her research where this dolphin is dealing with too much desire to get rid of cum so she just whacked him off whacked him off and got back to work i mean it's a very smart and pragmatic way of looking at the problem is she told people about it like over cocktails you know it's her fucking boyfriend who ruined it like she was like so anyway i jerked off what was the dolphin's name it's a good question i bet like

when he came to visit her at work like he started getting a vibe that she was jerking off the dolphin like it was looking at him weird yeah no kidding right yeah like do you fucking imagine what a bizarre and the other thing is the dolphins they were trying to get dolphins to say human words yeah but they can't they don't have any lips right so they can't make those sounds so they would do their best to make something close to it yeah but you know they have those high piercing shrieking sort of sounds that they can make. Do you know, man, that's the, she's even the thing. Here's what would have happened if they could have gotten the dolphin to talk. They would have canceled it because the only thing it would say is jerk me off again. Jerk me off again.

Wait, what did it say? Jerk me off. Have you seen the video? I don't mean to change the subject. Have you seen the video of the crow telling someone, fuck you? No. Do you know that video? If you look at to change the subject. Have you seen the video of the crow telling someone, fuck you? No. Do you know that video? If you look at it, it is so fucking funny, man.

Like, this guy, like, this guy, like, he doesn't insult the crow, but the crow really, like, snarks him. I hope you can find it. The crow literally says, fuck you? Look at this. Watch this. Come here. Talk to him.

Hello. Hello. Hello That's crazy That's crazy I don't hear anything. Watch. Try to pet him. No, no. I've already got the big-ass beak on him.

Fuck you. Fuck you? Whoa. It's like he insults his beak and he's like, fuck you. Whoa. See, if it was any other animal, I'd go no way. Right. But they're so goddamn smart.

Yeah. Yeah. You didn't want, like, fuck you. You're gonna make fun of my fucking beak? Did you ever see the raven that starts a fight between two cats? No. Dude. Can we see that, please?

I put it up on my Instagram. This is some crazy shit. Some raven flies over to one cat, fucks with him a little bit. The cat tries to get away from him. The cat turns around real quick, and the raven jumps away. And then the raven flies over to another cat who's on another rooftop. Sweat how he does this. He literally starts a fight between these two. He's just hanging out there.

That's so cool. He's like, damn, I'm fucking bored. So he flies over there and fucks. I guess it's not a raven. Is that a raven? I don't know. It's a crow, too. It's so cool. He's like, damn, I'm fucking bored. So he flies over there and I guess it's not a raven. Is that a raven? I don't know. It's a crow. It's a crow. But why does it look white? Is that the reflection of the sun on him? I don't know. It could be a... I don't know.

Anyway, so he flies over there. He gets near the cat and he irritates the cat. And then he flies over and gets near the other cat. Look, he's getting behind him. He irritates him. He fucks with him. He's fucking with both of them. Literally, like he's fucking with him on purpose. Look, he's getting really close and then he backs up.

He's getting really close. He fucks with him. Look, he's literally fucking with that cat. Awesome. He keeps poking at him. He's getting right behind him. The cat turns around to swing at him. So he's agitating the cat and the cat jumps on the other cat and he flies over. So he's agitating the cat. And the cat jumps on the other cat. And he flies over there. And he's a foot away from them while they're duking it out.

They fall off the fucking roof. They're beating the fuck out of each other. He flies to the ground. And he's watching them. Like, he literally instigated and started this fight. And he's prodding them while they're fighting. Look, they fall into a hole. They're beating the shit out of each other, dude.

And that bird's like, dude, what's up? Look, he hops in there. He hopped in there with them. It's fucking crazy. It's Satan. That's the bird is the devil. The raven. Yeah, that's so great.

Ravens are always thought to be satanic, right? Well, yeah. I mean, I guess so. They're like harbingers of doom. They're called, there's a great word for it, psychopomps is the word for it. Like animals that appear, I think, before someone's going to die. Like crows. There's a whole bunch.

What was the Edgar Allan Poe poem about the raven? Yeah, the raven. Well, I think, you know, I read an analysis of what that was. It's like very, very fucking sad, man. Probably about a chick that dumped him. You're never going to be happy again. Oh, that's it? The idea is like, yeah, you're never going to be fucking happy again.

Like, ever. Like, happiness is a dream. Give it up. The reality is that life is, you know, it's the usual kind of fucking drivel that comes out of people. No, I don't mean to say drivel, but sometimes the old happy juice isn't coming out of the synaptic vesicles the way it should. And you translate that. It's like instead of recognizing that your engine is running low on coolant, you think that all cars in the world must just run in some shitty way.

in the world must just run in some shitty way. It's really, to me, it's one of the most beautiful things to realize while simultaneously being one of the most depressing things to realize, which is that so much of what human happiness is, is coming from these synaptic vesicles, these little, you know, bubbles of serotonin that are getting dripped into our brains according to what activities we are partaking in, you know. And so some people, the drip isn't happening. And I would say that it's probably safe to say that for Edgar Allan Poe, if his brain, if you could say the synaptic vesicles or the vagina of the human brain than his were dry, arid, just fucking chafed synaptic vesicles. He was depressed. Nothing's coming out, man.

And like, I know what that's like because anyone who's taken MDMA, if you've taken MDMA and have felt the MDMA related depression, extrapolate from that three straight years of that unrelenting numbness that comes when you don't have enough of the happy juice up there and then you're gonna start writing shit like quote the raven nevermore also it doesn't help that uh his fucking wife i think at one point she had uh what was the name of that terrible disease tuberculosis i think it was tuberculosis she had some horrible lung disease and i think she was playing piano at this uh party that he threw and she just like exploded blood all over the piano

like she just coughed up a big spray of blood so he had a rough life edgar allen poe he's a fucking alcoholic you know he had a crazy go that too that that makes depression i mean yeah it doesn't help that's for sure nothing hinders your happiness like crashing your system every night oh yeah you're essentially slowly poisoning yourself if you're really into drinking all the time not good not fucking good there's so many better options out there for you too

well not pot that's illegal but I didn't know quote the raven nevermore I just think that people would benefit more from it too from marijuana? yeah instead of making benefit more from it too from marijuana Yeah, instead of making you more confident makes you less it makes you more like more aware. Yeah more objective

Just makes you it's a nicer drug It's a nicer like in terms of its effects in terms of the behavior of people that are on it It's just a way nicer drug. Hey, I tell you man like the Just a way nicer drug. I gotta tell you, man, like, all this fucking shit coming out about Hillary Clinton, the thing that really bummed me out the most, man, was that fucking, she's like anti-marijuana. Like, that really, like, that really gets to me, man. It's like, goddammit. Because, like, I was going to do for her, like, the pragmatic Clinton vote.

You know, like, well, Trump seems trump seems like a you know fun guy to hang out with at a party don't want him around my nuclear weapons like hillary clinton seems like a like a a uh you know oh god just like the ultimate politician like the super evolved ultimate flower on the goddamn bush of politics like she's's, but God, so fuck it. I'll write in, fuck it. I'll check Hillary Clinton. It's like, God damn it. Like she's really-

What? Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson makes sense. I mean- I mean, he doesn't know shit about Aleppo, but he doesn't know shit about a lot of things. I'm sure that he's going to have to learn if he becomes president.

Do you really think that- Is that really your- Donald Trump's not paying attention to that? That's who you're endorsing? I'm sure that he's going to have to learn if he becomes president. Do you really think that Donald Trump's going to pay attention to that? That's who you're endorsing? I'm endorsing him more than anybody else. That's who you're going to vote for? I'd vote, I'll write in you. How about that, bitch? Don't write in me, write in Bag of Tarantulas! Write in Bag of Tarantulas! That's what I'm

writing in. I'm not writing in Bag of Tarantulas. Alright, fine. But I do think that I just, I mean I can only talk about this nonsense so long, but her insistence on working towards marijuana and making sure that marijuana stays a Schedule I drug. Yeah. It's not just disappointing. It's traitorous. Yeah.

Traitorous, that word? Yeah. I mean, it's bigly traitorous. Whatous that word yes i mean it's bigly traitorous make it what it's not traitorous shitty traitorous you could say traitorous sounds wrong sounds like a dinosaur a traitor Hillary Clinton's a traitorous but i think it's it's not just not doing your job to serve and protect us and to lead us. It's not only is it not doing your job, it's doing the opposite of your job.

You're doing something for profit and for you, you've made a connection and through influence, you've decided to do something that you know for sure doesn't help anybody. It keeps people in jail. That's all you need to know. The key people in jail part, that's all you need to know the key people in jail part that's all you need to know yeah more people were arrested from marijuana than for all violent crimes combined that's so fucked up it's insane but that's the problem is that it's a business there's a giant business in arresting people and putting people in jail,

keeping people in jail, enforcing laws. There's a business in that. It's a huge business. We don't want to think of it as a huge business, but anytime a huge business drops off and it's going to drop off, whoever you're, if you're in that business, get out now. Cause you're like blockbuster video, you motherfuckers. You're not going not gonna make it you mean the prison business Yes, the prison business and the drug business the DEA business the arresting people for marijuana business Anybody who's in the arresting people for marijuana business? You might as well be selling Betamax Hope you're right man. You can't it's not it's not gonna work anymore You can't keep arresting people for something that everybody does.

Just like they had to give it up with alcohol. But if she's saying, if the next president, she's definitely going to be the next president, is saying that she's going to continue this prohibition to the bankers that were paying her to give a presentation, and this is the person Obama's endors endorsing and bernie sanders is endorsing it's just like that look i you know i don't know i don't the more i look into all this shit the more confused i become like i start i tried to like go a little deeper into it like looking up the clinton foundation and then like checking out the charity websites that like talk about the clinton found it or give it a rating or whatever.

And it's like, well, it definitely doesn't. It like, there's a lot of misinformation coming from both sides, but the most, the one I trust only because they're like a left-leaning super liberal website,

the Huffington post called, there's an article in there saying that Hillary, the Clinton foundation's gross is the name of the article. And basically it says the foundation itself, There's an article in there saying the Hillary, the Clinton Foundation's gross is the name of the article. And basically it says the foundation itself, if you look at the tax returns, since it's an operating foundation, all the bullshit about how they're only giving like 6% or 10% of the money to charities is wrong because they are doing shit. They are doing stuff. The foundation goes into the world.

It has worked with AIDS. So you can't villainize the entire foundation but what's fucked up is the clintons when they go to give talks to people who then donate to the foundation they get paid and that money separate from what goes to the foundation so when hillary clinton goes and like gives a speech and then they donate to the foundation, the amount they pay her for the speech doesn't go to the foundation. Exactly. That goes to the Clintons. And it's hundreds of thousands of dollars for an hour speech. Yeah, right.

So that's where it's like, that's where the corruption is. And apparently there used to be some kind of law that if there was even the appearance of corruption in politics, then you had to change your operating procedures. But that apparently got changed in the Supreme Court or something. So now you can. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. It's crazy. And like last night at the debates, man, when when they asked her about the WikiLeaks shit, which is is real like it's however the information got obtained it really doesn't fucking matter but but i mean it matters but the the issue is the information

itself yeah right so when you watch that faint where she's like you got it from putin it was amazing to me that was like god damn it it, like Trump, there's a really great chance right there for you to be like, did Putin send those emails? Was he writing your emails? Because let's talk about the fucking emails and then we'll talk about Russia. But he like spun off on this weird thing. It was really like a- So she baited him.

She fucking baited him. She's a master at that. She's so good at playing him. She's so good. It's amazing to watch. Well, he's easy, but she's doing it masterful. Well, she is. Masterfully. I guess that's like the one

bitter comfort that we have, is that this person who's going to become president is very, very sophisticated when it comes to manipulating people. Sophisticated in a way that like, God, man, I kept kept looking i kept trying to take pictures of her and you get up close she's a vampire dude her view someone needs to put together

a montage of clinton fucking stink eyes have you seen like how good she is at giving the stink eye like she was looking because what's crazy she was like looking no she's looking at the camera like i'm trying to get pictures of her because she's wearing the same outfit, kind of as the Heaven's Gate dude. You're like, like it's kind of the same outfit. So I'm trying to get a picture of it. And she keeps looking at the camera and giving this like fucking stink eye that felt like she was looking at me.

Like it felt like, fuck, she knows I'm trying to like do this tweet about her weird outfit. She gives a terrible stink eye man like i've never seen anybody throw eye daggers like hillary clinton can man it's crazy like do you think that that's do you think that she's employing a different strategy now because her first strategy with him was to kind of laugh when he would say ridiculous shit and almost like take the high road. But now she's gone on the attack more. And now Clinton and Melania, they don't shake hands before. Yeah. Like there's all this stuff that's going on, man. It's a different sort of vibe now between the two of them as it ramps up.

I think she was like super effective though in just taking the moral high ground her yeah i well i mean you have like terms of debate tactics here's trump my imagine i imagine like what a trump strategy meeting looks like is like people sitting around eating cheeseburgers doing blow you know what i mean they're like they're like trump's already making deals for his next tv show. He's like, fuck, whatever. Yeah, the president thing. They don't care. They're like, you know, he probably is getting fucking calls from Putin. They're laughing.

They're like, all right, I got to go. I got to go. We got to do this stupid fucking debate. Like, you know what I mean? And I think if you look at a Hillary Clinton strategy meeting, she's like sitting in some kind of like geodesic dome surrounded by cia agents who are like we've done a thermal analysis of donald and uh here are the moments that you should hold still and at this moment we recommend that you say this and then this and then this like she goes through the whole that they're like right he's definitely going to bring up the wiki leaks here according to our

psychological analysis and also some of the dna data we got from one of the cheeseburger crumbs that fell out of his fucking mouth at one of these rallies is like he's going to react to this and like she just memorizes it in a kind of alien way sits there and just does it like the fighters i'm sure like i remember when you were like when i realized because i don't know at the time i didn't know anything about fighting but then you were explaining how like they're they have these insanely deep combos if this person does this they have all these moves like 19 moves deep that like that's incredible so i think she's like that like she has like if he does this you do this and if he does that then this this this and then that and then that and then that and they've done it all with like a government team of psychologists who fully analyzed him and know how to fucking set him off

and she did it last night she did it in every single fucking debate and it's not like she's the one who's coming up with that she's got a team of the smartest most manipulative people on planet earth who baited him in to the fucking uh elections in the first place you saw that email right where they picked the three candidates that they wanted to empower you know or to like build up which was trump what's his name ted cruz ted fucking cruz because he's also a fool because he's a fool and the other the sweet guy the doctor rubia not rubia and carson carson you know so like they pick the three biggest fools they they're like all right let's pump them up they pump them up the king of the fools made his way into the fucking uh president somehow they're like are

you fucking kidding we got trump we got fucking trump we got trump trump hold on let me go to the trump file oh my god listen to this audio of him talking about grabbing fucking girls. She's like, okay, great. Let's use that. Hold on to that for a while. Yeah, we'll do that on the day before the second debate. Yeah, let's do that on the day before the second debate. Oh, my God. You know what I mean? I think they gave it two days.

Yeah, two days to build. To really simmer. Two days to build. And then, of course, they were probably working on months leading up to it. They're like, let's find every single person that claims Donald Trump groped them or that were groped by Donald Trump. Or anyone who's willing to claim Donald Trump groped them. Anybody wants to get on TV? Yeah, yeah.

How are you guys feeling? But I have a feeling, I mean, I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that if you wanted to find people who said, yeah, Trump grabbed my pussy, it wouldn't be that fucking hard. It's not like you're looking for Bigfoot. Pretty easy to hunt them down would be my guess, right? Yeah. So it wasn't like a hard thing to do. It's a breadcrumb trail. Yeah. Very simple simple very easy and so it's like when you realize like that then you start feeling this weird compassion

for him you're like my god even with all his like maliciousness and like weird perviness and stuff ultimately he they he's like a fucking bull that got put into a goddamn ring with a matador who's been doing this kind of bullfighting for like 30 fucking years for better for worse and he's we're watching what we saw last night i guess and what's interesting about it a big part of what's interesting about it is he came really close to winning i mean he's still in the neighborhood of winning Right Plus or minus 11 points What that means is between now and how many days do we have Until the election is 21 days Listen man

A lot of crazy shit can happen in 21 days That can shift people's opinions No but apparently again from all the stats Now look man I try to get Don't say any of that stuff because you don't even know if it's true They're all just talking on TV And they're brainwashing all of us to let us think that they know who the fuck's voting.

They're not talking to you. They're not talking to me. They're not talking to Jamie. I don't think they know nearly as much. You think it's a massive cover-up. No. I don't think it's a massive cover-up at all. I think a lot of what happens in the polls does reflect how the United States feels.

happens in the polls does reflect how the United States feels. But there's no way it could be 100% accurate because it's not polling 100% of the people. And I think part of the problem with those polls is once you read the results of the polls, Hillary Clinton is ahead by 16%. Everybody just starts saying, well, Hillary Clinton's got it in the bag. I've seen the recent polls. And you even start thinking voting right towards that goal like people who might have voted for trump go i don't want to waste my vote i want to be on the winning team you know there's a lot of that i think really though man like if people like what that the effect that that actually has is people who might have been terrified of trump being president oh yeah if they're like she's already ahead by 12 i'm not gonna fucking drive out of the polls to vote.

They don't come out to vote. Like it would serve her more if there was some collusion between her and the media, which according to the Podesta emails, there certainly has been. There's like, you've got the fuck, one of the, like the editor of Politico. You saw that one where he's like, fuck it. I'm a hack. Yeah. He's a hack.

Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Crazy. So like, I don't know if it was the editor. I don't remember which guy it was. But the point is, I think it's a pretty safe bet that she's going to be the next president. And I don't think that that data that we're getting is necessarily some kind of collusion between... I'm not saying it's collusion.

I'm saying it affects the event itself. I'm saying that even if you do legitimately, objectively poll a group of people and you get a result from that poll it's not really representative of 100 of the people but once you start thinking that it is and once people start deciding that it is it has a massive impact on how people vote well i gotta tell you man before the fucking buses go riding through varying neighborhoods and scooping up illegal immigrants and before the fucking abortion cops start arresting fucking women for getting abortions and before all the insanity that like apparently he's gonna do starts happening who's he trump that if he gets elected if he gets about arresting people for abortions?

Yeah, he said that women should be punished for... That's one of the main... One of his many fuck-ups is he was like, yeah, women should be... There should be some punitive legal shit if women get a legal abortion. That's real? Look it up. You can find it. It's like famous. Yeah, look it up. Whoa. Yeah.

He's like... He really said that? Well, he's... Look it up. There's a whole thing. I'm kidding. Jamie's, look it up. Whoa. Yeah, he's like, yeah. He really said that? Well, he's, look it up. There's a whole thing. I'm kidding. Jamie's going to look it up. Look it up! You're getting crazy. Look at the fucking data!

You're getting very worked up. Data graphs! I didn't know that he had said those words. That's a crazy thing to say. He said there should be some. He would arrest someone for having an abortion. Not for having an abortion. It's like for, you'll see.

It's like enough that she mentioned it in the last debate well yeah i mean it's it's hard to say too because a lot of his positions on things you know are off the cuff you know like maybe he hadn't even considered it somebody brings something up and he talks about it and he doesn't have the fucking cup trump he said he was miss i'll let you read that okay let me let me read it. Go back up. Go back up, please. Trump abruptly reversed his course,

says women should not be punished for abortion. So what did he say? You have to look it up. What was the station? There's been some sort of,

oh, there has to be some sort of punishment, he said, for women who receive unlawful abortions.

I have not changed my position, Trump said in the statement. He said he was referring to doctors who perform illegal abortions, not women who receive them. Mm, okay. That's what he said in the statement. I understand.

Okay, so he still believes that doctors who perform illegal abortions, there should be some sort of punishment for them. All right, well, that's not the same thing. Well, he wants to reverse Roe versus Wade. Does he? Yeah. Does he? He said that last night. Roe versus Wade. Does he?

Yeah. Does he? He said that last night. He said he would put in three he said he would try to put in three Supreme Court justices that would be on that side of the decision so it would automatically get reversed was like I think his exact words almost. Man, that's so tricky. That's deciding

what people can and can't do with their body and people go, it's not that, it's a baby. It's not always a baby. Sometimes it's a bunch of cells. When it's 10 cells, is it still a baby? You know, like you could get an abortion 10 cells in. Is that an abortion? I mean, I do not know.

I'm legitimately asking. At what point in time do you get to tell someone that they have to remain pregnant? But think of the irony that fucking pro-abortion Hillary Clinton is anti-marijuana. So she's like, I'm going to tell you. No, it's not our place to say what a woman could do with her body, but I'm going to fucking tell you what you can put into your body. I think it is the government's place to say that. It's like, what the fuck?

She's doing it for profit, 100%. That's the only reason why the banks wanted her to do it in the first place. Why else would the banks be concerned about marijuana? Are they in the marijuana business? What the fuck is going on? Why would banks want her to be for marijuana

laws? That doesn't make any sense. I don't get it, man. I would expect a lot of bankers love weed, so it doesn't make sense. No, I guarantee you I know what it is. It has to do with banks having interest in pharmaceutical companies. The company that makes fentanyl, we've talked about this ad nauseum, they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in Arizona to try to stop the medical, or not even medical,

they're trying to do recreational marijuana from being passed in Arizona because they know that it's way cheaper way easier and way more effective pain relief it's gonna fucking cripple their creepy ass business yeah and guess what no physical addiction properties some people get addicted to it but they're the same people that get addicted to a lot of stuff folks and it doesn't mean there's like physical addictive properties to marijuana there's not really a mechanism for you to get physically addicted to marijuana the way you can get physically addicted to painkillers. Look, even if there was, it's not the government's place to say you can't do this. Especially while they still have pain pills and they're taking

money from these pain pills companies. Right. Oh, it's so gross. What a fucking mess, man. It's like, just like the dream is like, man, can you imagine if the fucking Republicans had come up with just a normal dude? Like if they just somehow come up with one normal guy, like just a non-religious nut and somebody who like doesn't have like a checkered past. Just a kind of balanced guy is like, well, we need to work on the economy. Like Mitt Romney without the Mormon shit. Yeah. If they had just come up with that, they would have won by a long shot, a long shot. It's like this was the perfect chance for them to get somebody in.

But it didn't happen. They couldn't do it. Like the whole sit. Their whole system was so screwy. It's sad, too, when you hear some of the because, by the man here's a news flash not all republicans are bad like people think that a lot of them have like some great fucking ideas smaller government not a bad idea but when you like hear some of the frustration from like my fucking dad man he's a lifelong republican he's a a vet and he's you know he's like dismayed by all of this like he's

he looks at it from the perspective of someone who's like seen so many different election cycles and to look at like it boiling down to debates that have turned into the fucking jerry springer show literally like this is a fucking guy who like spent two fucking years in vietnam by choice because like he thought he was gonna fight for his country so these things mean a lot uh to him and it's like to see fucking this fucking barely and at least in the debates that i've seen i don't you see barely anyone talking about the fucking veterans like no one's fucking talking about the fact that the va is fucked or that, like, some of these people aren't getting any of the medical care that they need.

It's, like, crazy. They're up there fucking talking about Trump grabbing pussies or, like, Hillary Clinton's fucking stupid foundation. What about the fact that, like, people are blowing their goddamn brains out all over neighborhoods across our country because they made the decision to, like, go over and fight in fucking Iraq. And more people have killed themselves than have died serving. Yeah, what about that?

More veterans have killed themselves than have been killed in war. Can you imagine? That's insane. I have never... What is the numbers? I would like to know how much more it is. More veterans have committed suicide than have died in combat in these wars. That's that's that's unbelievably shocking to the fact that they don't talk about that at all.

Hardly at all. And it's like to just imagine like, by the way, here's another thing, man. One thing you don't hear about, like we hear about, like, you know, you hear about the, you know, you hear we do hear about PTSD a lot. But like, I don't think people realize the impact that PTSD has on a family, like the impact of your dad or your mom being completely closed off. Because like when you get PTSD, you develop these crazy survival mechanisms. So you try not to feel as much anymore. So you get numbed down. You become an alcoholic. You become a drug addict.

You have difficulty expressing emotions. You're a fucking mess, man. And like, by the way, with all due respect, but you're not, you know, PTSD is a very difficult disorder to have. Right. So it's not just impacting the vet. It's fucking the entire spreading out into the communities and the neighborhoods and shit and the fact that like uh i just imagine being in a family that's been god that's so fucked up suicide surpassed war make that a little larger

please jimmy there's 17 to 22 every day make that a a little larger, please. Wow. Look at that, man. Jesus Christ. This is really incredible. 46% of the, look at this. The fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan accounted for

anywhere from one out of three deaths in the military from 2005 to 2010 to more than 46% of the deaths in 2007 according to the

height of the Iraqi, during the height of the Iraqi surge. Yeah. During the height of the Iraqi surge. More than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9-11, and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives in the same time, according to Pentagon data. So keep going now so we can find out where... That's it?

Yeah. Wait a minute. It's a short argument. Hold on a second then. Go back to the bottom of that, please. That's it? Wait a minute. Hold on a second then. Go back to the bottom of that please.

It says more than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives. So how is that the same amount? Go back up to the title? That doesn't make any sense to me. Is this a bad article? Suicide surpassed war as the military leading cause of death. What that means is currently.

That doesn't mean like all told. Right. I think this is an old article, dude. It's currently, but still, fuck, that's so dire, man. Yeah, this is a couple years old. Go and find a, if you can, please find a more recent, because I think what they were saying is suicide, yeah, suicide has caused more American casualties than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

There it goes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so what are the numbers there? Jesus Christ. Veterans experts estimate that 17 of the 22 daily suicides involving vets not enrolled in the VA's healthcare system. Jesus.

involving vets not enrolled in the VA's health care system. Jesus. 27,258 of those we honor for their service on this Veterans Day have died by their own hand. 27 fucking thousand people. Whoa. What? That's from how many wars? How many years? It's too many. wars, how many years.

It's too many. It's still a lot of fucking people. It's unbelievable. Anyway, man, the whole thing. But it's not unbelievable, right? It's very believable. It's an empty existence to be having sent over there when you're 17 years old and you're fighting for a war that a lot of people don't believe in. You wind up killing people you don't even know. And you come back all fucked up and PTSD'd out and then you don't get any help.

Yeah. You don't get any, any help because part of, I think maybe part of PTSD is you don't want to reach out for help. So that's like part of the disorder is you're all numb down. So like, yeah, man,

not to mention you have many of these people have brain trauma. Like they've got like, there, there's a lot of, anyway, I'm sure that if you're sitting in a like if you're in a family that's been impacted by that and you're watching the debates because you know for me like i do i will i watch the debates as a form of entertainment you know to me it's kind of it's it's like there's something in it that's like grim yet hilarious and it's like interesting to see this kind of unraveling of our political system in this way. But man, it's like when you just spend a little bit of time thinking about how the whole machine is like impacting families in the most fucked up way, man.

A lot of kids, they don't know their dad has PTSD. way, man. A lot of kids, they don't know their dad has PTSD. You know, like they don't even know why their dad is drinking so much or is acting angry or unpredictable or seems fucked up. They don't even know it. They just think that's how dad is. And then they like develop, they begin to imitate that behavior, you know? And then the next thing you know, you've got like this like echo of this terrible thing that war is echoing out into into our communities and into our fucking into everything, man. It's just I imagine when you're watching the debates and you're realizing that these two people are spending I don't know what percentage of time talking about that. I don't know what the percentage is exactly that they've talked about veterans at all but you probably start getting really really really depressed when you're like well i guess that was just a bunch of bullshit that we did out there for real because these guys are barely

talking about it it's just a weird popularity contest for them to get into this position of power that's all it is and they're saying whatever is popular in the moment. What's popular in the moment is grabbing pussies and email scandals. I mean, that's what everybody seems to be focusing on. Because the war has been going on for so long, the people almost got numb to it. And if you drudge that up, it's not going to get the same emotional sparks, the current event spark that we love. We love a current event spark.

And right now the current event spark is grabbing pussies and email scandals I went back and forth the other day during the debates post debate from CNN to Fox News CNN to Fox News CNN to Fox News just Listening to the different sides and how they talk about stuff. It's so bizarre. Yeah, it's so bizarre I mean you never are more aware of the fact that you are being, propaganda is being projected in your way. Just blatantly unapologetic propaganda. considering the impact of her the her the the controversy with the clinton foundation her this wiki leak stuff that's come out about the bankers and her trying to keep marijuana an illegal drug and keep americans imprisoned therefore because of it yeah none of that gets brought up nothing not a thing gets brought up idea that 30,000 emails were about yoga classes,

how much does this bitch take yoga? Right. How is that even possible? Dude, I've been doing jujitsu for 20-something years. Yeah. I don't think I have 1,000 jujitsu emails that I could delete. Right. I don't even think I have a hundred.

I might have a hundred. I might have a hundred or 200 jujitsu emails that i could delete how the fuck is hillary clinton non-physical hillary clinton with her bite suit on that crazy space outfit on how is she you're trying to pretend that you're doing yoga all the time yeah come on that's insane she's not doing yoga also like this sinister thing they did apparently john kerry manipulated ecuador into cutting off assange's internet connection you know so it's like on top of that they just like shut him down they're like so like our country was able to manipulate another country to shut the internet connection off of a guy it's like you know you hear about

how like who's the new leader of korea it's kim jong-un right ill was the first unes the second so like kim jong-un the south koreans they like put propaganda weather balloons into north korea and i guess the north koreans see this shit and they're like what the fuck and then like you know kim jong-un threatens to like shoot nuclear missiles into South Korea for distributing information. Like, hey, you guys are in a fucking hell bubble over there. You know, the world's not really like that. They don't know that over there. Right.

So in the same way, Assange has started like leaking this information to us. It's like, hey, check it out, man. You're politicians. This is how they fucking work. This is how they work. And instead of us being like, whoa, let's reform this system. We got to reform this fucking system, man. You can't do that.

Like, even if it is above the board, like even if what you're doing is above the board in some kind of weird, gray, liminal, legal area. It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. Let's fix it. Instead, we're like, ah, this is that vladimir putin trying to fucking manipulate our elections which by the way are not rigged how could anyone say that when our politicians are so fucking honest why would anybody say that the very thing that makes

these honest people rise to power would be fucking corrupt so strange so strange so strange so strange and it's like to you know the the reaction we should all be having should not be like i don't know anger at russia the reaction we should be having is anger at our political class you know it should be and that was assange's idea, right? That's his idea is like if we expose, he wrote this essay, I read an article about it, if we expose the inner workings of our political class,

and we show that the level of deceitfulness that is involved in this game of chess, which now people are just saying, well, that's just the way it works. That's how it works in the modern world. You've got to be cutthroat, and you've got to lie, lie and you've got to trick and you've got to do all this shit. If we expose them, then what that hopefully is supposed to do is make them reform on their own or create what he called the ideas. You want it to be very expensive to lie.

You want to you want it. And you and also he's created a situation where all of them are living in a terrible world of paranoia which i think is kind of hilarious because like assange has done to hillary clinton what the nsa has done to all of us you know like they've they he has all this fucking data and she doesn't know which data he has she doesn't know what he's got a lot of politicians have no idea what wiki leaks has that's the strategy behind i think that's the strategy behind the trickling release of this information is because it's like the japanese water torture little drop so that every day they

have to sit and think fuck man they did they get those fucking pictures from the bohemian grove you know what the uh rumors are, right? Do you know the rumors about the release that there's gonna be a bomb dropped on November 1st? That's the super awesome conspiracy rumor deluxe of the day Wow that on November 1st Anonymous WikiLeaks Guy Fawkes himself someone gonna drop some huge fucking Information bomb that's going to make hillary clinton like they're the rumor of course amongst conspiracy theorists going to disqualify for the the election i don't even know if that's possible at this point because she got away with

that email scandal shit like that email stuff would have put anybody else in jail right i mean there's a i i posted something on twitter the other day about a soldier who took photographs with his camera on his phone of some inner workings of a submarine and he's going to jail because of it just took photographs there you go what she did was infinitely worse they're both government officials that soldier yeah and hillary clinton are both government employees right the only difference being of course she's elected yeah that's it i mean other than that i mean he works for the government he's but his responsibility to adhere to the rules has way more consequence than hers which she did with those emails like no one is no one is denying that it was illegal

no one is saying it was fine and heard crazy talk about it being 30,000 yoga emails just exacerbates the whole thing it's like listen they're gonna find out it wasn't really yoga and then what then what are you gonna say what are you gonna say yeah there were some yoga emails there was two of them there's two yoga emails yeah And then there's 28,000 about Benghazi. Right. Right. Then what happens? There's 28,000 about- I don't know, man.

Using drones on Julian Assange. I mean, she wanted to drone him. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think- I mean, by the way- She might have been joking. I'm not defending either of these creeps. They're creepy to me.

Both of them give me the fucking heebie-jeebies, man. But like, I do- Not Julian Assange. You're talking about Trump and Hillary, right? right no i'm talking about that monster julian fucking assange he gives you the creeps no i'm kidding no that would be the worst oh i love him i i have a plan to to help julian assange escape i think i know a way to get him out of that fucking embassy if he wanted to leave like i know how you could do it because you know you see how would you do that so here's what i would do so like you know you see him come out to that little balcony and like kind of look out in a sad way like he doesn't have an

internet fucking sucks yeah so here's what you do schedule one of those flash mobs where i don't know 10 000 20 000 30 000 i'm putting my life on the line here. Please fucking Clinton and Trump, don't kill me for saying this. I only want everyone to love Wendell. Get like 10,000 people to gather around that fucking embassy wearing that Guy Fawkes mask, the anonymous mask. They're all wearing the anonymous mask and certain outfits. Do you have a side business in anonymous masks? What?

Do you have a Guy Fawkes business? If you just go to Duncancantrussell.com you can buy a guy fox mask it goes to my foundation oh but so so the uh the idea is you get them to gather around it in some kind of mask and dress like julian assange and then just throw a mask so he like jumps out into this mob of people all dressed like him wearing this fucking guy fox mask and just vanishes into the crowd. Oh, that's a movie. That's Mission Impossible. Yeah, I think it would work.

That's ridiculous. Because he's got access to the balcony. It means he could get down. You just got to pop a ladder up real quick. Everyone's dressed like fucking, everyone looks like Assange with the anonymous mask on. Yeah, look at that. Pop right off of that fucking balcony.

Wow, that balcony is so close. So close. Just dive into a sea of people dressed in the anonymous masks and get just fucking vanish into time. Shave your fucking balcony. Wow, that balcony is so close. So close. Just dive into a sea of people dressed in the anonymous masks and get just fucking vanished into time. Shave your fucking head. Get a face tattoo. How does that guy sleep? I mean, wouldn't you be freaked out?

The fact that his door is that close to the I mean, that's where the door is. That's where the ground is, right? Anybody could just jump up there and climb in. Yeah. This guy is hated. Hated by some of the biggest world door is. That's where the ground is, right? Anybody could just jump up there and climb in. Yeah. This guy is hated. Hated by some of the biggest world leaders ever. That's his little tiny balcony. You live in a little embassy in the middle.

Yeah, it sucks. In London. And he has to stay in that building. You know how he fucks. Because when he's in that building, he's on foreign soil. And they can't invade. It is insane. And he's been there for four fucking years not going outside

you know how that guy fucking sleeps he sleeps like a fucking hero when that guy goes to bed he goes to bed in the way that somebody who's like i'm actually trying to help my species dance i know pull that up you do this anytime we talk about it pull up julianne no there's nothing wrong with them nothing wrong with him. Nothing wrong with him. You have to, when you see someone dance like this, you have to always think, oh yeah, that guy dances

like this. He dances like a goth. He's a goth. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with dancing like that. There's nothing wrong with dancing like that, but you've got to be aware of everything. That's something to be aware of. This is how Julian Assange dances. And he dances by himself like this. So, that's another

thing. It's not just... You weren't for that, man! He's moving out into the dance floor and he's dancing by himself. Now! Now, let's be honest. He could easily be on drugs, in which case this is all forgivable behavior. He's definitely on drugs. He may be on ecstasy right now, or molly, or he might be stoned out of his fucking mind

on some pot cookies, or on acid, or something. But he's dancing in a very, very strange way. It's a goth dance. He's doing a gothic dancing. No, there's nothing wrong with it, man. Look, I dance strange. He's fucking weird. Check out my other videos.

I mean, people are weird. There's nothing wrong with dancing weird. Check out my other videos. I mean, people are weird. You know, there's nothing wrong with dancing weird. But you should know that. Listen, man. Because of you, whenever I hear anything about Julian Assange, I do think about that dance video. God forbid. My fucking dancing's weird. God forbid.

Yes, there's nothing wrong with the way he dances. I'm kidding. You know, if people think I'm serious, I'm kidding. People know you're joking. They don't, man. People don't. I put up a thing today about Flat Earth, and people thought that I was, like, serious about the flat Earth.

I put up this thing on Instagram about all the evidence that you're being brainwashed, and one of them is if you really believe that the sun is millions of miles away. How to tell if you're brainwashed. Do you believe the Earth is spinning at 1,000 miles an hour, but you can't feel it? Do you believe the oceans are curving because gravity, miles an hour, but you can't feel it? You believe the oceans are curving because gravity in air quotes, but you can't measure it. You believe ships disappearing over the horizon are proof of the globe and not due to perspective. You believe that pilots would not have to account for the earth's curvature or spin while flying. Yeah, man.

Yeah. This is so stupid. I got to tell you though, man. Once I was getting, I was like, I was getting a massage and the massage therapist was a flat earther. Oh no. And it was the best. I mean, it's like, what's better?

It's like, I'm, you know, talking massages sometimes suck, but like this is like. What did she say? Well, what's funny about it is as she's like explaining flat earth theory to me, I wanted to argue with her. Explaining flat earth theory to me. I wanted to argue with her and then I realized my understanding of cosmology is so terrible I couldn't come up with a persuasive argument against it because it's like well The conspiracy argument is the best because you would think that everybody would have to be in on it Everybody who's ever been a part of space travel whether it's the Russians or the Chinese or the Americans? Anyone who has ever been an astrophysicist has to be in on it

This like what one of the best fucking that the conspiracy ones buddy What was that was someone's saying I was a sellout because uh because my flat earth hate and we know where your checks are being cashed They're being cashed. They're saying i'm getting like i'm getting shut up money from the round earth the the round earth god i'd love to see i'd love i'd love to see that meeting that's a fund i'd love to see that meeting where like you and sussman are sitting with like these reptilians and they're like listen joe you know the earth is flat we know the earth is flat check in front of you and they go the earth is and you go round the earth is flat. They dangle the check in front of you and they go, the earth is, and you go, round, sir.

And you take the check. Yes, round. Next. Next. Yeah, that's good. George Clooney, come in here. Let me ask you something.

The earth is, for real, round, sir. For real, for real. Round. For real, man. For real, bro. If you knew the earth was flat,

I don't know how you knew. Like fucking Dana White or the people who run the UFC, they're like, look, man. I'd be the first to tell you. Okay. I'd be broadcasting it from the roof. Let's say you knew the earth was flat.

It's flat. Don't go too far. But let's say the lizards did visit. Let's say they did visit you. What's your price to be a shill? 50 bucks. What? 50. 50? 50's a good meal somewhere get a steak glass of wine i don't ask a lot i don't want to die look you guys are lizards you're lizard people you're all powerful you're gonna run this thing anyway just

50 bucks that's cool you don't want them to think you're unreasonable oh he wants 50 million dollars or we just fucking eat him dude Dude, I like fishing this stuff out of you because it spawns YouTube videos. I think it's really funny. Me being a Satanist? Yeah, because now someone will. Illuminati confirmed. Well, you guys are Illuminati because you did that thing at the UFC. We are

Illuminati. I am in the Illuminati. I didn't even know. I am in the Illuminati. It's great, man. Is it good? Do you get good benefits? What? Benefits? Yeah.

Okay. Tell me later. What? Tell me later about the benefits, maybe? I don't know. Hmm. Don't ask, man. What about numerology?

Is that real? Yes. Ooh, interesting. Masonry? What? Are you a mason? A freemason? Yes.

Is there any other kind? Hey, you two guys guys you and ari and then you kissed yeah the kissing part was probably one of the greatest moments in ufc history yeah that was great man oh shit can i tell you something i just found out yes okay man this is actually really cool you should research this did i tell you about the cacophony society no what's that okay man so the guys who like at least partially started burning man were called the cacophony society and it was this group of people that do the funniest fucking things together and it's really fascinating they call it culture jamming but like uh for example they do this have you ever heard of the salmon run?

No, what's that? They dress up in giant salmon outfits and run the wrong way in races. That's hilarious. Dude, they- So they run towards the crowd? They run just the opposite direction. So you'll see a marathon and these salmon are running like this. There it is.

Oh, that is so funny. That's so funny. That's the cacophony.acophony running upstream they're high-fiving people yeah yeah people let them go through they're not mad that's good that's the cacophony society man they uh that's funny but these are the guys who started burning man and chuck palahniuk that's where he got the inspiration for fight club because he was burning no the Cacophony Society because he was in the Cacophony Society he was he's one of them but like the their motto is you may already be a member and anybody can start their own branch but it's like really really funny like if you look up all the stuff they've done man it's really trippy like they said uh they uh one of the things they did was they set up clowns at every stop along a bus route so that every time the bus picked people up it picked up

a new clown but the clowns wouldn't acknowledge each other like they just happened to be getting on the same bus oh fucking strange it's cool though because what it did like i mean i'm not going to try to get into their uh their about it, because they actually have a pretty deep philosophical, like, or it seems to be a fairly deep philosophy that a lot of it's really hard to understand for me. Hakeem Bey's temporary autonomous zone is kind of related to this idea that you can create these little bubbles that temporarily sort of where the normal rules of society just don't exist in that moment and so people who get to be in that bubble with you get to experience a kind of respite from the never-ending flow of society which can produce like huge changes in a person's life to suddenly no longer be afflicted with the humdrum normal day-to-day uh materialistic consumeristic bullshit that we call everyday life to create a tiny little bubble where that doesn't exist and

where you're like there are two rules they don't i don't know if you can call them rules but their rules are you don't do a cacophonist event for money and you don't do it to promote your religion so you're doing this for no reason other than like subversions for subversion's sake so there's no the the profit that you're getting from it is just the incredible moment that you find yourself in a salmon outfit running the opposite way but what it does is it temporarily disrupts the hypnotic trance that a lot of people are in like when they're living you know you're just and this is on by design that's what they're trying to do or they're just having fun it looks like they're just having fun running against the the crowd of marathon runners and they're in salmon outfits yeah that it is for fun but then there's like theory behind it it's not actually like having fun running against the crowd of marathon runners. And they're in salmon outfits.

Yeah, it is for fun, but then there's like theory behind it. So they've actually like, this is something that they've written out and contemplated and acted on. There's a great book called Tales of the Cacophony Society that I'm reading that's so fucking funny. How long have they been around for? They've been around since the, they were, they're pre-Burning Man. So I guess they've been around for like mid 80s or

something like that and prior to that there was something called the suicide club which was are there an offshoot of this group in san francisco called the suicide club which was like an actual secret society that if you wanted to be a member you had to get your affairs in order like you were going to commit suicide whoa yeah it's really cool and like yeah really cool but uh but then the the cacophony society sort of emerged their history is fucking hilarious though the history of them is so funny and like if you look at like the early burning man that the cacophonists were involved in holy shit they had like a drive-by shooting range. So like, they would like drive in cars, blasting at targets.

Dude, they were launching flaming fucking pianos out of catapults out in the middle of the desert. Oh my God. Like they were, and people were getting hurt, man. I wonder why. Yeah, but like, they were like. Yeah, but they were badass. It sounds like if Hunter S. Thompson started a religion. Exactly.

That's a great way to put it. And I'll tell you, man, he probably knew of them. And if he didn't know of them, he would have been like, oh, I'm one of them. You could be one of them. You don't have to even join up. You start your own branch. We started a branch. Today, right?

When did we start one? Well, we just started a second branch but we started a branch when today right when did we start one well we just started a second branch i started a branch with who we i say i we well it's called the ukrainian branch of the la cacophony society and we are ukrainian what why ukrainian well we had the last meeting we had our we so we had our final meeting at gelson's on hyperion so you guys have meetings well we had our last meeting so we had our final meeting at Gelson's on Hyperion. You guys had meetings? Well, we had our last meeting. So we had the final meeting. How many meetings did you have all told? One.

Who's we? Me and a bunch of people. I just put it out on Twitter. Who are the people? Me, Brendan Walsh, and then a group of some other people from Burning Man who I know, and then just some people who responded to the tweet but we basically. And you guys all met at Gelson's. In pajamas. We met at

We met at Gelson's We met at the Gelson's noshing and imbibing bar in pajamas and then and then we did we did so what we, the plan was we met met there, we had drinks, and it was automatically the most, it was so weird driving to do it.

Like, I'm like, well, you definitely have lost your mind, man. You're out of your fucking mind. Like, this cacophony idea, it's crazy. I don't know why you're fucking doing this. So I ended up thinking, like, you know, I feel, you feel crazy driving to Gelson's and Pajamas. thinking like you know i feel you feel crazy driving the gals in pajamas so we uh we fucking you get there and all of a sudden the people at the bar are looking like what the fuck is happening like suddenly there's this group of people standing at the bar in fucking pajamas

and then uh and then what do your pajamas look like i wore captain america pajamas so wore Captain America pajamas. Fuck yeah, Duncan. But then what we did is Brendan Walsh because we had him give this speech because I was like, everybody, I don't want this meeting, our final meeting to be cut up and how Brendan Walsh

ruined the Ukrainian branch of the LA Cacophony Society, so let's just not think about that and then he gives a speech and he reads the entirety of tiger woods cheating apology suddenly this dude in pajamas is reading tiger woods cheating apology in front of a group of people in pajamas who whenever brendan would say one of, like, Tiger's weird apologies, everyone would applaud and then shush ourselves at the same time. So it's like claps and like, shh, let him talk, let him talk. And so, and then we sang, we sang fucking,

do you want to build a snowman from Frozen? And then we fucking left. That's perfect. Did you film it? Well, we have some, yeah, we have. Did you have a film of this? I have a film of it. I'll send it to you. I don't know what it is. Please do. It's not online, but yeah, man, that's what did you film it well we have some yeah we have did you have film a film of this i have a film of it i'll send it to you i don't know where it is it's not online but but yeah man that's what we did pajamas or bathrobes we will tell stories of the good times our society shared

offer final toasts and sing do you want to build a snowman meet at noshing and imbibing the Gelson's bar. Holy shit. Bring sleeping bags. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. That is so ridiculous. It was really fucking great. We were going to do another meeting, though. We're going to have-

You are? Well, yeah. We're going to have a meeting of the new- The new branch? The new Ukrainian branch of the L.A. Kakofmi Society, but we haven't figured out what that is yet, but- Why is it Ukrainian? What? Why Ukrainian?

Well, I don't know. Who the fuck knows? The whole point of the thing, though, which is really beautiful. So, like, because I got on the... All this shit happened because, like, I realized, like, okay, well, Burning Man was the coolest thing I ever experienced, and then I traced that back to the Cacophony Society.

And then I kept hearing this guy's name, John Law, John Law, John Law. So, like, I found him and I emailed him. And then he just wrote back like, yeah, just call me. Here's my number. And then I called him and then we started talking about how he, like, what the events were like. And he said the main thing about it is inclusivity. He's like, this is what makes it so cool is that we like that if you really form a branch this is more of an experiment but if you really do it

then everybody who decides to participate they uh they come up with their own events you know so like everyone's like all right we're going to be doing this next tuesday if you want to come come if you don't don't come the following tuesday we're going to be doing this but Tuesday. If you want to come, come. If you don't, don't come. The following Tuesday, we're going to be doing this, but there's no like pushing people out. It's like, if whoever wants to be involved, let them be involved. And then everyone kind of gathers together in this little weird bubble that forms, which is like, dude, when you're in pajamas at Gelson's watching people, it's what we were talking about earlier. What is the sane way to live? Right? So when you're in Gelson's wearing pajamas singing do you want to build a snowman you look out and people are kind of like walking with their shoulders down to buy their

evening groceries and they're just kind of like look over at you they get the biggest smile on their face they don't know what's fucking happening we don't know what's happening but it feels so cool it's like a really like exciting moment of like really minor rebellion that has no impact Ultimately in the flow of society, but in that tiny moment, it's like fuck we're in zero gravity here, man Yeah, I mean a Coordinated effort like that with a bunch of people in pajamas singing. Do you want to build a snowman? Out of nowhere would make everybody smile. Yeah, it's one of those like what in the fuck are these guys doing yeah and dude you'd look over because like it was right next to the deli so like people were like

sitting at the deli pretending to like be eating their dinner but they kept looking over like brendan giving the tiger woods speech but that's the other that that's the other cool idea that they came up with man which was um it's like the way we do entertainment right now is so weird because it's like and I guess thank God for it because it's our jobs. But like people pay a cover and they go in and there's the audience that sits in the audience and the comedian that talks or the entertainer that talks. And there's this weird distance between the two. And it's like, so that relationship between entertainer and entertained their idea is like, let's merge it together so that we're entertaining each other for no reason

other than like, let's just fucking get together and like, see what happens. You know? Now this was a non risky thing. Like a lot of their thing is like elevate the risk, elevate the risk, elevate the risk, elevate the risk. The more you elevate the risk, the more it's like a crucible kind of that really brings people together,

which is, I think, the idea of taking people out to the fucking desert originally. It's like, let's just take a group of these people. Launch flaming pianos with a catapult. Yes. I want to bring up, before I forget, Brendan Walsh, one of my favorite stunts that he did. This gives you an indication of what kind of sense of humor he has. He put a fake Whole Foods sign in Silver Lake. Yeah.

He wanted people to think that a Whole Foods was coming to Silver Lake. I mean, there might be one now, but he did this a long time ago. Yeah. And there was a lot. It was an empty lot so he had a sign made with the whole foods logo put coming soon on it yeah there it is and he set it up on the fence and people were so psyched yep that is brendan walsh man that's what his sense of humor is like it's so cool and dude he uh he um that's why when I read this book, look at this right there,

they'll get the top of it. Did the silver Lake whole foods, hoke prankster reveal his plans on a podcast? Oh, he did it on a what the fuck with Mark Marin. That's when he, uh, he revealed it, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. He's so fucking funny. So funny, man. Such a trip.

He's so, and dude, he commits to this. The other thing that he does is he fully commits to this and like i like i mean i'm not saying like he does a lot of stuff and he doesn't care if people know and that is to me another really cool thing about he's a funny comic too yeah it's a funny dude he's all around funny dude like funny dude for that kind of shit just the way his mind works what did he do recently he went he went up somewhere i want to say it's the improv maybe and he had them introduce him as one of his friends he went up and he did that guy's act he told that guy's jokes he pretended he was him that's so good he's so fucking silly yeah so silly

yeah and he commits a hundred percent man because like when you're standing in fucking pajamas and a goddamn gelson's reading tigerwood's 10 minute cheat speech and you don't back down it's cool but anyway yeah tales for the cacophony society you guys look into it man because it's pretty cool and anyone can form a branch anyone listening you can start your own branch you could just do it and it's really fun sounds like fun i don't know about the ukrainian thing though well why they might have a copyright on that what you might not be able to call something ukrainian that was our last meeting so it doesn't matter oh okay well you've resolved your differences with the ukraine yeah we'll let it go yeah it's

over you know you were um talking about burning man before the podcast we were on the phone we were talking about and i said dude we shouldn't even talk about it until we talk about it on the podcast. Because you were ranting about Burning Man as if you had seen the Messiah. You found Utopia. No, it wasn't an ear-beating at all. No, it was great. Look at that picture.

Isn't that fucking cool? Right behind that is this incredible just never-ending field of art. And lights. Those lights are all LED lights shining on the fucking art that people are spending all year building for no other reason than to fucking bring it out there and give people like just beautiful, beautiful art. Like I had no idea it was so lit up.

Oh my God. I mean that you can't, the crazy thing about Burning Man is you can't capture it in pictures. Like you've just got to go there because if you see the pictures, it kind of seems ridiculous or dusty or whatever. But my God, man. We should do a documentary. Has anybody done a documentary on Burning Man? Yeah. Yeah. There's tons of people who or dusty or whatever. But my God, man. We should do a documentary. Has anybody done a documentary on Burning Man? Yeah, yeah.

Of course they have, right? There's tons of people who come there. Right, but we should do a documentary on it. Dude, how about this? How about just a- Like we should take someone to Burning Man that would never go to Burning Man. I have an idea. Alex Jones.

You just come. That's all. No documentary. You just come and we'll spend a week having fun there. Because, dude, you- Like, here's an example. This is one of my favorite fucking places there. no documentary. You just come and we'll spend a week having fun there because dude, you like, here's an example. This is one of my favorite fucking places there. It's called, there's a, so it's all free bars. Like there's just bars. People put up free bars. It's free booze,

nothing. No, you can't buy anything there. So one of the bars and forgive me if I, if I say the title wrong, cause now it's a little fuzzy in my mind. It was my favorite bar, and it was called something like the Ministry of Disinformation. But it's set up to look like an information booth. And so we're riding by on these, you ride around bicycles. My friends who have been there forever, they're like, dude, go to that bar, and they'll just lie to you. Like, that's all they do. The bartenders just lie to you.

That's hilarious. So like, you go there, and you like, so like, so like you sit in there so good at lying to the point where, cause everyone's knows that they lie. So people come there to get lied to. And so like you go there to get lied to, but they know everyone knows that they're lying and they lull you in to thinking they're done with the lying part. Right. So like we're sitting there drinking me and me and Cora sitting there drinking and like,

you know, the guys like a lot made some pretty obvious lies and then we're drinking there drinking me and me and Cora sitting there drinking and like, you know, the guys like made some pretty obvious lies. And then we're drinking like, hey, so we really feels like, oh, yeah. OK, now we're just talking like friends. He's like, so, hey, do you guys want to try some vodka that like I homebrew? And we're like, yeah, we'd love to try some. And so like he pours it and we drink it. And we're like, wow, this is actually really good, man. You should, you could probably sell this stuff. Like, are you going to start selling it? And he's like, yeah, yeah. We're, uh, we worked out a deal with, uh, South Korea.

You, uh, slap an American flag on anything out there and they'll buy anything. And we're like, wait, wait, oh, wait, you're still lying to us. Like you didn't make this vodka. You're just lying. He's like, no, I'm serious. I'm'm serious i'm serious look look look then he pulls his phone up and there's pictures of like this is the still that i used to build it and it's this ridiculous still that like definitely definitely isn't like a fucking like something from the dukes of hazard yeah yeah and then you realize like oh my fucking and then you're like you you're still lying like you haven't been telling the truth and he's like listen, I'm not good at lying. Like, I just like my friends do this thing.

Like I come here, I'm not good at lying. I just tell the truth when I'm up here. I'm like, other people will lie to you here, but I definitely don't do that. So they go deep and they commit and it's, but it's, it's not malicious. It's real both. It's a very funny thing. And that's one tiny little part of it like imagine that spread out over and over and over and over again with just different

types of like bars or art imagine like let's say and you know i don't take psychedelics and if i talk about it on the podcast i do it as a joke because i want to seem cool but imagine if you were in the middle of the fucking desert on psychedelics that had just started kicking in on your bicycle covered in led lights surrounded by other people and blinking led lights on their bicycles and you're sitting in front of what appears to be a massive brass what is either a locust a firefly some kind of grass hopper cricket sculpture on top of another cricket sculpture that has combustible gas exploding out of it so that it's and it's like 10 feet 15 feet high with combustible gas exploding out of it. So it's making this. I heard Elon Musk has the dopest ride there. He's got a yacht that like just goes around through fucking Burning Man.

And like. And he has discos on it, right? Yeah. And anyone can get on. That's the other thing about it, man, is it's like this is it's the idea of the thing is it's pure inclusivity. That's the idea is it's like this is just everybody sharing. There you go. That's the idea. It's like, this is just everybody sharing. There you go. That's so crazy.

It just rides through the desert. You climb on, they'll give you drinks. You just like chill out. It's like the whole thing is like a gifting economy is what they call it. So like everyone's just giving stuff

to each other. That sounds amazing. It's the best. It really truly is the fucking best. So here's the question. Can this go from here to a city? Can you

develop a city like this? Well, they do have so like, I think the answer to that is right now probably not. But why not? Because it's resource based. It's more like, okay, imagine like a flower that once a year blooms. So that's what you could say that's maybe whatbased because it's it's more like okay imagine like a flower that once a year blooms right so that's what you could say that's maybe what burning man is is like during

the year lots of people are like getting together and planning like what they're gonna i'm i'm planning with my fucking burning man camp the enchanted booty forest we're planning our uh art car for next year and that's going to take all year to figure out what it's going to be and how to do it and how to put it together and how to get the money i told you you spent too much time with burning man you fried your fucking brain it's become your life now it's every year is just downtime downtime downtime burning man well i mean i will say i mean i know it it truly is the most embarrassing thing i know i sound like that guy in that brilliant youtube video that someone made parodying

the ear beatings that Burning Man people give their friends. Have you seen that? No. Oh, please pull this up. No, we can't play it. We'll get yanked. Oh my God. Look up.

So look up the YouTube video. So how was Burning Man? And it's like this guy in fucking goggles and Burning Man attire being like, how was Burning Man? You're going to ask me, how wasn't Burning Man? It's a better question. It's everything.

Because you really do, like when you're there, you're like, oh my God. Yeah, that guy just like ranting to his fucking girlfriend. That's what you turn into. He's got the goggles on, those dirt goggles which i

guess you have to have did you wear them like uh yeah you have to wear them because they're these fucking dust storms kick up and like but i'll tell you man how crazy is that you have to wear dust goggles here's the craziest thing about it though with all that being said there's a place there called the temple and it's all these are like a lot of these are built by like genius architects the temple i can't remember how much they said it cost to build like it might have been like 75 000 or 750 000 i can't remember it's this incredible like you can pull it up look up the temple burning man 2016 or you can look at all the different versions there there there that's it so you so everyone's like so everyone's like go to the temple and but it's really heavy when you go there so we didn't

even know what they were talking about so you pedal in and you see people standing in front like people seem to be crying people are hugging each other dude you go into that thing and it's filled with pictures of people who've died that year before baby clothes, pictures of dogs, pictures of like, it's where people go to burn their, the, to grieve for people who've died in their lives, man. And so you walk into that place and this is in the middle of this incredible festival you walk into that fucking place man and like you just you start you just start crying like people in there because you can feel this like just nexus of grief bubbling up and it's the most intense crate the only time i've ever felt that kind of energy is in a place called varanasi in india where they like burn bodies there it's

that same kind of like sweet grief of people mourning. But then that's the last thing they burn at Burning Man. And whoever's left when they burn it, which is probably like 60,000, 50,000 people, they all sit around it completely silently. They sit around it silently. You might hear someone playing a flute in the distance or something, but it's just imagine 50,000 people sitting around that thing on fire quietly as embers of all these pictures of people who've died the year before go whenever they've died, go flying through the air. And then when it finally burns to the ground, the entire group of people, they howl like dogs. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's the end of Burning Man. Holy shit. Yeah, dude. So cool. Well, this is growing at a staggering rate every year. What's to stop these people from claiming a city? Like if everybody just decided like, hey, let's all move to Portland. If all those people that are Burning Man type folks just decided to try to have the same sort of impact on a community.

Yeah. That's not outside the realm of possibility, right? Well, it's already happening. When is it happening? Well, it's happening wherever there's people who've been influenced by that festival who come back into the world and try to not be such selfish shitheads when they're in the world. Or maybe try not to waste so much stuff. Try to not be such selfish shitheads when they're in the world. Or maybe try not to waste so much stuff.

Or like, it's also happening because you realize like, oh fuck, this is not only a festival. This is preparing for the fucking possible economic collapse. Because if we can all get together and survive in the desert in this way and work together, then there is a possibility. You know, actually, I went to see Alex and Allison Gray. They were painting at the Dr. Bronner's camp. They were painting a mural there. Dr. Bronner's camp. They were painting a mural there. Dr. Bronner's soap? Hemp soap? Dr. Bronner has a camp there called Refo...

Yeah, yeah. Dr. Bronner's soap. They have a camp there called Reformation, right? And so they basically are just hosing down all these filthy, like, Burning Man people out in the desert to clean them up right so like uh after they hose them down there's a uh they've constructed a tent where there's a dj playing music and it's dripping water down and everyone's naked dancing and alex and allison gray are painting this beautiful mural in that tent and so like we you know core and I went to visit them and we walked up and like, you know,

those guys are so fucking cool, man. But then Alex like starts talking to me and he's like, you know what this is, right? And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, Dr. Bronner's family was in Auschwitz where they had the showers. And so this is the opposite of the showers at Auschwitz because it's like naked people in real showers dancing to music in this like fucking super loving environment.

So their idea was to mirror the Holocaust or to create like not that you could do that, but to create like some like a response to it. It was like, here's what it could look like. Instead of gassing people, be a dj dripping yeah that's what they do they spray you down but anyway man um uh yeah like you know one of the things uh alex gray was saying is like uh this is the seed of a global civilization well it seems to be it seems to be that could be there's something going on man there's a shift There's a consciousness shift. I mean, there's far reaches on both sides. I mean, there's people that are resisting it hardcore. There's a lot of hardcore Trump fans that are resisting illegal immigrants.

And they want hardcore Republican values. There's a lot of people that are still clinging to that. But then there's a lot of people that were going the Bernie Sanders way, too. And there's a lot of people that are realizing why you watch way too. And there's a lot of people that are realizing why you watch these two duke it out like King Kong versus Godzilla. What's interesting is the real loser is the system itself. Our confidence in the system. Our confidence in the system

is at an all-time low. And people that are your age and older people like me, I'm 49. What are you? 43 now? 42. 42? I think I'm 40. We're you, 43 now? 42. 42? I think I'm 42. We're like middle-aged folks, whether we like it or not. But we grew up with no internet, and then we were exposed to the internet, and now we're seeing things like WikiLeaks.

The kids of today, they're going straight WikiLeaks from fucking high school. They knew about that in high school. They watch all the videos in high school right they knew about that in high school they watch all the videos in high school yeah those are the ones that I get the most upset about when someone posts a video about the flat earth or any kind of fucking stupid shit where you're gonna waste a lot of time paying attention to nonsense right not the world's goddamn round they have a lot of video of it you can just go around it in a satellite. You can go around in a jet.

It's not a fucking hoax. Stop thinking about that. It's a waste of time. There's a lot of other shit to concentrate on. But you'll get lost in that. You'll get lost in that. And that upsets me. That pisses me off.

And I've been responsible for it myself. I'm sure on this podcast we've said a lot of shit that turned out to not be true. But usually our obsessions are temporary. Hopefully. I like what you said, that the system is kind of shortchanging itself. It reminds me of, I just watched, it's on Netflix now. It's Louis Theroux's Crazy Weekend, I think is what it's called. And you saw the one with Al Sharpton?

Yes. And he's talking to Al Sharpton and he's like I feel like I let you down by not getting arrested and Al Sharpton's response was you let yourself down by not getting arrested and and and uh and and then at the end of I don't want to do a spoiler but spoiler what man now I'm thinking I don't I don't didn't see that one it's mean I saw a bunch of my binge watched so that came on the first time the the fucking uh this episode is about uh black what are they black power people blacks i don't know i don't think lives matter no it's like for that this is like nation of islam this is like pete like the one of the guys louis was hanging out with

was like a hardcore like black he hated white people white people are the devil you're the devil like uh but he was actually really sweet at the same time. He's really smart, too. This is a guy, I can't remember his name, Dr. Khaled. I looked him up because I was really States to give back a swath of land to black people so that they can go live there. And like, but, you know, Louis Theroux is such a likable guy that you could see that they were both kind of liking each other when they weren't. You know what I mean? And it was really sweet to watch and really cool. But you could also see that he was being moved by recognizing how much a lot of these people have gone through and how fucked up it could be. And this is before any of this shit happened with the recent police shootings. This was another police shooting in 2001 and they were going to go march about and Sharpton was going to get arrested. But then,

so anyway, like, yeah, like Sharpton was like, you let yourself down by not being part of this, by not getting arrested. It's like it's true, man. While these people are up there fighting like those fucking goddamn cats, the crow lured into a fight while they're up there debating and fighting. fixated on that, we can easily lose track of all the stuff that we have definite control over, which is we don't need to, uh, we don't need to be so selfish. You don't need to be so selfish. And if you start experimenting with giving stuff away, cause you, you guaranteed, man, there is stuff that you have that you don't need. You literally don't need like in your garage that you covet kind of like there's shit you covet that you don't need. You don't need like in your garage that you covet kind of like there's shit you covet that you don't need you're not going to use or you have like a hoarder mentality where

you're like well i might sell it one day right or who knows i'm gonna definitely need this vibrating bed one day or whatever the fucking thing is you have you don't need it so you could do an experiment where you try to give it away not to a not to a charity or foundation But you figure out someone in your community who maybe needs that thing for real like someone you could actually use it It doesn't have to be some lofty thing either Maybe you got like an old fucking Xbox in your garage and your friend doesn't have an Xbox Give your friend the Xbox just for fun. You could do these little experiments and when you do it Wow, it feels good good it like is a really great feeling to start offloading shit you don't need into the community of friends and

family and people around you who are fucking some people really need stuff man and like it won't hurt you at all and so that that to me is like when you talk about, well, could Burning Man turn into a civilization? I don't know. Probably not. You know who, well, I won't say who it is, but one of my friends was out there and he works out there. And I'm not high on psychedelics, but I'm looking around and I know he's been going there for a long time. And I'm like, could this become society? And he's like, no.

He's like, if these people were out here for more than four weeks, they'd start killing each other. He's probably right. We're not ready for that yet. We're ready for a couple weeks at a time. A couple weeks at a time. It's only 52 in a year. Yeah. And in the meantime, you can actually just kind of start experimenting with not being selfish yeah well how about instead of looking at it as a negative just experiment with being generous ah there you

go yeah so think of generosity as the ability to drop little love bombs yeah you know that's that's how i've always tried to approach i've seen you do it man those aren't little fucking love bombs you leave i've seen not to like i've seen some fucking weeping waitresses when i turn back to look as you're walking away man and like that thing that you're doing there um that thing that you're doing that's it like that thing everyone can do that you don't have to be the host of the UFC to be able to, you, you, so like, God,

forgive me. I tried to explain this to someone who was saying that it was a stupid thing to do. I was like, you, you have to think of, you know, they were saying that like, they're going to expect it.

Uh, every time a rich person goes there, they're going to expect larger tips. And it's really not proportionate to the service service they've given you. But you can make someone happy. It makes someone happy and you don't feel the difference. The difference between you leaving a one number on a check for a tip

and they go, oh, that was a good tip. Or another one and they go, holy shit. Like now they feel really good. Like they just got a gift. Like that's what the tip thing is. The tip thing's a gift. That's it. I mean, it's one of the rare things that we have in our culture where you could express gratitude in a numerical amount I mean I'm not saying that's the only way to express gratitude because of course there's a way to express it with your

words and your you know your love and all that good stuff but you can express gratitude in a tip form where you there's a number you can attach to it yeah like someone if you have a if the bill is 50 bucks and you leave 50 bucks, people go, holy shit. And to a lot of people, the difference between $100 in your bank and $50 in your bank, you're probably not going to feel that. For some people, you will. Some people, you will. If you can do it. I went to visit my dad in florida

and uh my girlfriend and i we went to this uh arcade that gives out tickets like one of those arcades that dispenses tickets you know i'm talking about like uh-huh you play fucking skeeball or whatever you've like it's like a little it's like a casino for babies right so it prints these fucking tickets out you take the tickets to the counter and you get like a piece of shit thing that you'll never use like a nasty like bear made of like chinese asbestos or something you know so like the exchange is dumb anyway so these tickets we ended up accruing this massive pile of fucking tickets right and so we're standing there looking at this junk and then i look down and i'm sure other people out there have done this there's like a kid who's got a tiny little bit of tickets and he's like looking at like the candy the little bit of tickets and i'm

like hey kid take this gave him this huge fucking stack of tickets dude the look on that kid's face and him and his brother like oh my god my God, that, you know, that look is way more valuable than any kind of piece of shit behind the counter. Of course. That is the essence of it, man. It's like the when you drop these love bombs off, this is not a one sided thing. You're walking away feeling really good because you know what? You just did. You impacted a person's week.

This person might not have money to get their kids fucking groceries that week, man. Now they do. They might not have been able to make rent. Now they can. You're walking away having created that shift in a person's universe. As temporary as it may be it's still a shift in the direction of the positive right so what you've done there as far as i'm concerned is a kind of magical act a kind of miracle and any anyone can do this man like you you like

dude there were like people who would go around with like spray bottles and just spray your sunglasses off for you which out in the desert is really important because all the sand gets caught in there and you can't fucking see. That's what they had to give. You know, it was just like helping you in that way. But just that was still fucking cool, man. Right. They're giving a service to people and they don't expect anything out of it.

That's it. They're just doing it for love. You can do, anyone can do that. There is definitely something you can do that you're not doing and you're not doing it not because you're selfish. You're not doing it just because you haven't even realized you can do it. It's like having a superpower that you're not aware of, which is like, fuck, just give something away.

Like it does. Just give something away. You don't need that shit. Whatever it is. Just give the fucking thing away. Super hippie Duncan trussell, yeah, you're the anti-trump When are you gonna run for president Duncan? When are you gonna run? Why don't you? Why don't you do every ask a question or answer a question with a question? That's rude. That's a poor taste

Well, I well I'll tell you man. My man. My hope is that you and I will run. No. I'm just kidding. We've got to move. We've got to get out of here before it blows up. Get out of here. Maybe Hawaii. Hawaii's going to blow up.

No, no, no, no, no. Hawaii's going to be fine. This thing, this America, continental United States of America. I don't know if this is going to work, dude. I'm looking at this election. I'm like, this thing is just too volatile. Good. Let it fucking collapse.

What have you said? If it fucking collapses, what about the children? The people are going to be... What about the infrastructure? You know, I just had this conversation with... The grid. I had this conversation with Chris Ryan on my podcast. We've got to do a shrimp parade soon.

All right. And he said that he was talking about how post, you know, after disasters, everybody gives to each other. Right. And people are very kind. So if there was some kind of economic collapse, some calamity or something, then I think what people would suddenly realize is like what would happen is the pendulum that swings in front of the eyes of the sum total of all people in this country and convinces us of the importance of this small group of secretive people maybe for a second that thing stops swinging and we like look away from it and look at each other and we realize like oh shit we've got each other we're gonna be okay

the fantasy of the fucking people like grab your guns go rob the rich people all that stuff the idea that it's going to be some kind of like the la riots times a million you realize like oh no that's not what it's like at all. It's like we can help each other together. I can help you. You can help me. We didn't need them as much as we thought we did. Maybe we didn't need them at all. We've got the fucking roads.

There's people who know how to fix roads. I know how to do stuff. You know how to do stuff. You're such a super hippie. We need the fucking system, goddammit. We need trucks to bring in vegetables. We need a sewage system that works. We need power.

We need DirecTV. I need programs. Yes. Programs. I need to watch in vegetables. We need a sewage system that works. We need power. We need DirecTV. I need programs. Programs? I need to watch my programs. I need my fucking Westworld. I need a refrigerator that works, goddammit. I do need Westworld. I need a hospital that's clean. Yeah, you do need that. But guess what? It could still happen.

It could still happen. It can really happen. You're such a hippie. There's no hospitals in that Burning Man. There's just goggles and goggle still happen. It can really happen, I think. You're such a hippie. There's no hospitals in that Burning Man. There's just goggles and goggle cleaners. No, they do have a full hospital at Burning Man. I didn't go visit it, but they say they have an urgent care medical facility there that's really nice and they fucking need it too because you think I'm a fucking super hippie, man.

Do you think they have a checkbox? Do you have an injury or are you freaking out, man? Well, that's the freaking out, man. That's the Zendo project that maps is doing. So one of the cool things that Doblin is doing is they have a thing called

Zendo, which is this, it's called psychedelic harm reduction. And so they create like in the Portage ons at burning man, there are these signs that they put up that say, uh, night, a little night, a little weirder than you expected. Like, come here.

And so, like, you go to this place and it's like, dude, you got to have this guy on your podcast. His name's Dr. Cole Marta. He's a psychiatrist. He's like one of the people involved in the MDMA for PTSD experiments that they're doing there in the phase three of the clinical trials maps is but so he volunteers at the Zendo but basically what happens is it's the safe space that Doblin's created where you go there if you're freaking out and you're like am I gonna get fucking arrested and they're like no man just just sit down and relax and like these are trained this guy cole marta man like they're smart

trained clinicians and if they're not clinicians they've their people have been through this program who just sit with you and let you freak out without judging you and like just sit with you and let you relax until you're having an okay time again and then they let you go back so instead of like losing your shit and like getting arrested or losing your shit and being around your friends who are like what the fuck's wrong with you man you get to be around like really smart trained people who know how to how to like not just like help you relax, but help you use this event to transform your life. Because a lot of times a bad trip is a transformative moment for someone if they're around the right people. That's amazing.

Yeah. MAPS is incredible. I know, man. They've done so much cool shit. And Rick Doblin is just such an interesting guy. I've had him on twice. Had a chance to talk to him on the podcast twice he's such a fascinating dude he's a warrior man when you look at the how much he spent his entire life

like you know we sit here and we fucking rail against the system and ah marijuana and like ah but doblen man he's like on the front lines. Like this guy is like deeply, deeply involved in this. He's doing it the right way. Yeah. He's doing it through the system. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool.

It is cool. It's interesting. Like he was detailing like getting it passed and what was going to be entailed and getting this therapy through and then what would be next and how it's a long term thing they're doing over long, many, oh god he gave like he gave a talk at burning man that was just like when you like he's just detailing the like the war on drugs and like why it's happened and what it is and then like his step-by-step plan and then you realize like this guy is in a phase three phase three, phase three of clinical trials, which never happens like with a schedule one substance that theoretically could like the results that they're getting are very good. But

if people who have PTSD, if they go to the doctor, the doctor will be like, well, I'll prescribe Xanax and maybe they'll give you like cognitive behavior therapy or something. But like the idea that there might be a way to give someone MDMA mixed in with like a specific type of therapy and that that could actually, I don't want to say cure. Reset their mind. Yes. Yeah. cure but reset their mind yes yeah to lift the this the weight of of this horror off of them or at least to allow it to like doblin explained why he thinks it works i'm not going to try to repeat it but the idea that this could work for real is just the most incredible thing man that guy would

he should get a nobel prize i think he did explain it on this podcast didn't he did do you remember jamie i don't remember either i feel like he did though i feel like he did explain it on this podcast, didn't he? Do you remember, Jamie? I don't remember either. I feel like he did, though. I feel like he explained how it works. It's like you're, when you, apparently it's something to do with short-term, long-term memory. So when you have a traumatic event, it gets stuck in short-term memory. Somehow it's looping there. It's not getting filed away in the right way.

God forgive me, everyone listening, Doblin,en colmart whoever i'm ruining this in front of but like it like it apparently something about uh revisiting the experience under the influence of mdma causes it to somehow be refiled in the right part of your brain again so it's not sticking out in the forefront of your experiences so it's not like right the thing isn't always there like a flash bulb light or something another thing that's infuriating i mean that's almost to me as infuriating as teenagers getting hooked on flat earth videos it's more infuriating even that this has always been there this has always been there this has always been there and they made it illegal and all these people that suffered could have could have gotten relief through this a long time ago.

That's right. A long time ago. I know, man. If they just recognize this early on and have been super objective about it. Look, we clearly have an issue with PTSD in soldiers and policemen and people that have gone through domestic abuse. There's a lot of people with PTSD. This can literally change the course of our nation. But to keep up the fucking DEA's corrupt system,

to keep up this nasty business of arresting people for the wrong kind of drugs while they're selling drugs everywhere you look, to keep up that system, they literally stopped something that would have helped everybody. Man, can I just, I mean, I don't work for MAPS. I have no reason. Can I do a plug for them real quick? So guys, if you actually want to chip in to something super fucking cool,

go to the MAPS website. Right now they are raising money because Doblin has got a manufacturer. I can't remember, something like five kilograms of MDMA for the phase three trial. Oh, shit. You can go to MAPS and actually chip in. To buy ecstasy. to maps and actually chip in to buy ecstasy to to have it well to get ecstasy to get mdma to vets who are people with ptsd and it's a really

cool thing if you want to chip in money for it's super fucking cool like that's like how often do you get a chance to buy mdma for people with ptsd that's amazing yeah it's. That's amazing. Yeah, it's cool. That's amazing. Yeah. It's really fucking cool, man. Because they have like. MAPS is incredible. They have a supply of old MDMA. And I think it's like they can't use it anymore. Look at that. They've already raised $148,000.

Yeah. They need $400,000 for five kilograms of MDMA. Well, let's see what we can do. See if we can get some donations going. MAPS.org. This is my kind of telethon. Come on, guys. Come on, folks. Let's raise money for MDMA. Well, let's see what we could do. See if we can get some donations going. Maps.org. This is my kind of telethon. Come on, guys. Come on, folks. We're going to be like those annoying people on public radio.

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Yeah, they got him. I found a hospital they have there. This is from 2014, but they have 300 employees in a hospital that has 52 beds. Wow. So it's at an actual hospital. Humboldt General Hospital employees come and help people. They have tickets for Burning Man too, right? Yeah.

I think you have to buy them now. Doesn't that sound crazy? That seems like it doesn't make any sense well this is the only way to keep people from overwhelming the place because you're you're gonna if you have tickets that means you can only sell a certain amount of tickets it means Burning Man sells out right yeah well like this the service here the the hospital was paid for by the Burning Man organization. It cost $455,000 for that year. Oh, my God. That's insane.

So that's where that money comes from. Oh, that makes sense. They show on their website where it all goes. What doesn't make sense, though, is limiting the number. Doesn't that seem illogical? Well, yeah. I mean, if they allowed 150,000 people and that hospital now is fucked, they can't. Right, but they would just have to ramp it up based on how many people buy tickets.

As long as you just keep having tickets, then you'll have more money to spend on more hospitals, and you would just sort of plan it accordingly. But maybe they're trying to slowly develop it where they don't want it to get completely chaotic and out of control, which is what it definitely would do if they had no restrictions whatsoever. Duncan, while you were urinating, we were talking about the restrictions on the population at Burning Man. And then I found that to be a little bit odd. It makes sense that they're selling tickets to it, because especially we found out how

much it costs for the hospital. Yeah. $425,000 for a year or something. Yeah. Is that what it was? $455,000. $455,000. $455,000.

So, but why wouldn't they just allow more people to buy tickets? Why wouldn't they just keep selling tickets? Why would it get to a number? My guess would be that, so it's like, they have to work out deals with Gerlach and like the surrounding areas. What's Gerlach? Gerlach's the town right before you get to fucking Burning Man that once a year just gets like this swamped and this huge

influx of dough but like they uh yeah there it is the Bureau of Land Management Bureau of Land Management is um the same thing that manages uh public land for like hiking and fishing and rafting and that kind of shit yeah and they so like basically if look at that, you could see that because they have given them this, like, and basically it's a shakedown, right? So they're like, if you want to do this festival,

you're paying us. Well, would you say that it's a shakedown or they want to control the population because they didn't want it getting out of control? Oh no, I don't. Bureau of land management has a reasonable, I mean,

they have a reasonable concern that it could get completely overrun with hippies and it would be massive chaos. There's definitely a reasonable concern and there's also like, there's also some maybe, I don't know, perhaps there could be maybe some profiteering happening.

But here's my question. Why wouldn't they make more money by allowing more people in? If they really wanted to profiteer, the move is to just say, open the fucking numbers. I don't think Burning Man's profiteering. No, I'm not saying Burning Man. You're saying Bureau of Land Management, right?

Yeah. Yeah, why wouldn't they just open it up? $81 million. Oh, my God. Look at that. Burning Man's expenses, oh, $30. Yeah. $30,185,000.

Oh, 30. Yeah. $30,185,000. Burning Man was once a scrappy little desert gathering. It's become a multifaceted professional operation. Today, the Burning Man Project produces the nation's largest permanent event on public land and supports an extensive global network of events, artists, and civic initiatives. Yeah. Hmm.

Man. I can't believe that's so much money. Do you want to hear something even cra- $30,185,000. What's crazy about it is when you look down, there's no trash on the ground. Yeah. That's what's really nuts about it. What do they call it?

Matter out of place. Yeah. Moop. Moop. So what they do after the festival, they will like go from camp to camp looking for where the trash is. And if they find any trash, they like, like if someone's, let's say broken a bottle or something, right?

They will bring like a team of 11 people in to sift through the sand to get every single bit of glass out of the fucking sand so that it goes back to being just what it was before whoa an alkaline desert and um that's that comes from the cacophonous because one of the cacophonous sayings is leave no trace so the idea is like they go to a place do their insane thing and then leave and it's like they were never there before wow which is pretty trippy to think that's so badass yeah it's so badass. Yeah. It's so bad. It's so cool. Yeah.

I just wonder like this doesn't exist 30, 40 years ago. Like what's it going to be like 30, 40 years from now? I don't know. It's hard to say. When people give up the ideas that have sort of imprisoned each generation about keeping up with the Joneses and about belonging to the right country club and about all the things that people strive for moving up the corporate ladder,

you know, all that stuff and clinking glasses. Like you're in a fucking Leonardo DiCaprio movie before it takes a turn for the worst. Right. Right. I mean, that's,

that's literally what it is before it all starts getting crazy you're clinking glasses that's what everybody's hoping for you know oh no man yeah yeah well uh you know we're we're evolving everybody's evolving and we're learning a lot of stuff right now and like like you know we're learning a lot of stuff and part of i think hopefully what we're learning is that certain things cannot be commodified that there's no way to really put a price on certain things and you know a lot of people there it's not like they're against money or against people making money or anything like that the idea is is like make money spend the whole year making money but then let's fucking ignite it in the form of your amazing sculpture that you brought out into the desert

the other cool thing is dude when you're looking at these sculptures you don't see like a plaque that's like this was made by tim french follow me at tim french you know what I mean? No one's signing their fucking work. So like you're out there and it's like you're standing underneath some alchemical, like spherical laser globe that's spinning in a way that the lights make it look like the ground you're standing on is like rotating and shifting. Who made that? Why did they make that? How did they get it out in the desert

how are they fueling this what the fuck is this or like the mat there's tesla coils everywhere out there like just tesla coils sparking in the fucking middle of the desert whoa someone got a tesla coil out to burn it like just when you consider getting a tesla coil into the middle of the fucking desert and then setting it up so it works. I think they have videos of it. If you look at it, it's pretty cool looking, man. That. That's just sitting out there.

That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. Just one thing. Or like dick slides. What is that giant thing? That guy next to the Tesla coil. I don't know.

I didn't see that. Who knows? Floating eyes. And what's in his hands? I don't know i didn't see that who knows floating eyes and what's in his hands i don't know didn't see it they have dick slides they have like these slides shaped like dicks that you can ride through like your sperm getting shot into a pussy yeah wow what a fucking trippy festival it's the coolest thing ever man they have an entire spectrum of just insanity out there that thing wow fuck look at that it's pretty amazing or the look up the catacombs look up the catacombs these guys made these like crazy pyramids out there the

catacombs 2016 burning man you should look up like the burning oh you're not allowed to show it well you could show it show what so these guys made these like look, look at that. Whoa. What is that? They made these fucking pyramids out there, man. With what? I think that's a drawing. Like, yeah, there it is. Like, with wood. Whoa. There it is.

Yeah. Yeah. And they do this during the time that they're there, and then they burn it. They come in early. So they come in, like, three weeks early. I'm not sure the exact amount of time. They construct this thing, and then they just fucking burn it. they burn those things in the morning at like 6 a.m dude yeah you could see look at the dust devils that kicked up next to it like yeah

whoa the dust devils are incredible yeah that's wild man the little dust tornadoes just roam through the camps yeah oh dude when these dust storms kick up it's the most beautiful insane thing it's just all of a sudden out of the blue everything goes from being completely clear to just being completely obscured with this very fine dust which is why everyone's got led lights on because the lights glow through the dust so that you don't run into somebody whoa yeah what a weird choice though why wouldn't they choose to do it somewhere where it's like nice well i think the statement they're making is we can do this in the middle of fucking death think of what we can do everywhere else do you think they did that on purpose no i think it evolved like that i think that originally the the idea was the cacophonist

had this idea of what's called the zone trip which is that if you take a group of people and bring them out of their natural habitat and you then something kind of magical happens and so there's a story of how the first time they went out there they drew like a line in the sand and they were like everything after this line is the zone and like that's when that was the first Burning Man is it just was like they just picked a desolate place so they wouldn't get bothered by people. Because what was happening is I can't remember his name. I think it's Larry. Will you look up Larry Burning Man Larry? I can't remember his last name.

Really? What? Larry Harvey. So what was happening is Larry Harvey was going to the beach. He went to the beach and they just burnt this effigy of a man. They just ignited this effigy at the beach. And Larry Harvey won't say why they did it. It's really cool.

Everybody wants to know, like, well, what was the reason behind it? So they just went and burnt this effigy out there. And then they were doing it, like, I think a few years in a row. And it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. this effigy out there and then they were doing it like uh i think a few years in a row and it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and then the somehow the cacophony society got involved because it got so big one year the cops wouldn't let them burn it and so then they were like they they ended up scheduling a cacophonist event which is what they i've got the flyer on my phone. It's like the burning of the man in the Black Rock Desert. And so they like redid that event and took the Burning Man out there.

That was the first Burning Man. And then they started doing it every year, just like they were doing it at the beach in San Francisco, but it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then it became like a, it's like, it was like a cacophonist event basically that spun out of control. And now it's like a, it's like, it was a cacophonist event, basically, that spun out of control. And now it's turned into this, I think what is one of the largest festivals on earth. When is it?

When does it take place? Labor Day weekend. What's that? I'm not sure. Like the first week in September, last week in August, summer. So it just ended. End of summer. So it just ended a few weeks ago.

Well, you can look it up. I'm not sure of the date. I could be totally off on that I don't know well either way it doesn't matter sounds crazy sounds amazing yeah yeah it's pretty incredible man it's pretty cool you gotta go man go next year I feel like

maybe I do have to go but when you go you gotta do it right man cause like the problem is like a lot of people they're like I mean you could do it whatever way you want but there's like are you telling people how to do it? I'm gonna tell you how to do it i'll tell you how to not do it how do you not do it well you heard what happened to the camp the white ocean camp out there right what's the white ocean camp so they're these camps called like you know what the white ocean camp is i think that's that story i don't want to blow the story but blow it you want the way they cut people's

power lines and shit because it was because it's is you could be a little too inclusive there. And so you end up like, part of what's cool about that thing is like, this is the thing I saw in an interview with Larry Harvey. He's like, this is a survival situation, right? So it's tough. It's not easy all the way through. Like, you got to get out there in a fucking RV. We drove an RV out there, man.

Not that that's hard or anything, but it's like when you're driving an RV, um, out of Burning Man, it's not easy because it's a eight hour line to get out of Burning Man in the morning in your RV. You're sitting in a fucking RV for eight hours in this massive line of people who are being pulsed out of Burning Man because there's only one road out. Is this every time you want to leave through any day of Burning Man? No, if you leave early, you won't have to wait that long. But if you go through the whole festival, it takes that long to get out. And so the point is, it's not easy, right? It's not,

it's not necessarily supposed to be easy. Like, it's, like, part of it's really fucking hard and, like, really tries you for real. Like, it's, like, you're going to get, you know, it's not easy. So some people think that, like, there are people who are kind of subverting the experience a little bit by, like, flying in on a private jet and then being brought to a place that's already been built for them where they get to kind of like hang out and then that place is like Theoretically, it's not so easy for people to get in there Even though white ocean like one of their one of the things they said was like well, we're giving food to people but It's there's an embarrassing Embarrassing post one of the guys from white ocean put up like what you did to us

And it was like a guy who clearly didn't get the whole point of the thing from white ocean put up like what you did to us and it was like a guy who clearly didn't get the whole point of the thing which is like but seriously though why would they do that instead of just complaining or just talking to them like why would they cut their power why would they make their food spoil that doesn't seem like a logical choice right dude there's some people you think that is it a logical choice for me no hell no of course not but do you think it makes sense to them that they cut the power and they sabotage these people's food i think that that's what they did right well yeah they fucked up their camp they like apparently glued their doors shut and stuff but that seems contrary to the idea behind the

event itself well that's the problem there's no one idea behind the event itself. Well, that's the problem So there's no one idea that event you're hearing my perspective. Okay, right my perspective is one thing But that ain't the only fucking perspective dude. There's like a bunch of people out there who aren't there for love There's like people who are like, I mean God have you seen the gladiator ring? They have there where they slam people together who fight or the fucking fisting tent or the- They have a fisting tent? Like fisting in the genital? Fisting?

Yeah. They have a tent for that. They have an orgy tent, fisting tent. They have a tent for fisting? Yeah, there's a fisting tent. I didn't go to it, but I heard about it. How would you not go to it if it was there? I don't know, man.

If you build it, they will come. Is it one of those things where the only way in is someone's got to fist you? I don't know. Because that would stop me. I didn't know, man. If you build it, they will come. Is it one of those things where the only way in is someone's got to fist you? I don't know. Because that would stop me. I didn't know. Or you could fist them. Would you be in a fist in somebody?

Just to see what it's like? I think I can imagine what it's like. I don't know. That particular thing doesn't appeal to me. But I do like the openness of it. And I do like the fact that like eventually after a bunch of people walking around naked for a week you stop seeing naked people and one of the people in my camp it could be a lie they say they have something called acceptable boner tuesday where guys will take fucking cialis and just walk around with fucking

boners it's's crazy, dude. I got my own ideas of it, but like there isn't one idea about it, man. It's not like a tame. There you go. Orgy dome. Rules. One, couples and moresomes. Moresomes only.

Yeah. Why is that? It's moresomes. Okay. Two, take off your shoes. Okay. One, couples and moresomes only, meaning that you can't come in there by yourself. Where's your Jim here to fuck?

You got to bring someone that other people want to fuck. Take off your shoes. Yes. Use blue towels under you. Ask before you touch, clean up and throw everything away. Close and zip both doors. Hilarious. Yeah.

The orgy dome rules. That's a yeah that's amazing but it's not shocking all those people took a photo of the orgy dome yeah they're all they're like hey we fucked no it's like not a big it really though isn't that big a deal if you think about it like we're not like we make it a big deal it's not that big it's a big deal because we decide it's a big deal but it's not that big a deal. It's a big deal because we would decide it's a big deal, but it's something that everybody does. Like sex is what either everybody does or everybody wants to do.

Almost everybody, except the rare few that are actually asexual. Yeah. Right. It's something that everybody does and yet we make it out to be this horrible thing. Yeah. And that's a very, like if you're into sex, definitely that's a great festival for you because it's perfect. Yeah.

There's a lot of like stuff like that that goes on and everyone's super like, I mean, I don't know. You know, that's the fucking gladiator dome so what is that made out of is that all metal or wood that's metal i think so you can like climb up there and watch as they like slam these people together so it's like a mad max type thing so they're actually fighting well they take these people put them in these harnesses and these ropes that looks like a guy's getting kicked yeah is he getting kicked? Yeah, he's getting kicked So they they swing and they beat the shit out of each other in there. Yeah Wow, this is bananas. Is there video of this shit or just videos go right to that, please The battle did the Thunderdome. This is real. Yeah, man. Oh my god

What in the foot they're hitting each other yeah they're hitting each other with sticks yeah those sticks they're foam sticks but you could definitely like kick people i mean it definitely doesn't feel good wow this is nuts man yeah this is really strange yeah you can hear these people screaming and yelling yeah what a fucking trip and are there police in this at all? There's cops everywhere. Cops everywhere in Burning Man. There's cops.

Boom. Oh my God. Who are the cops? What? There's cops like walking around with cop outfits on? There's cops with cop outfits and undercover cops. You have to be smart. With the cop outfits, what do they do?

They just wait for someone to shoot someone or beat somebody up or something? they just wait for someone to shoot someone or beat somebody up or something like so i gotta tell you man i was most of the cops i saw they seem to be having really funny conversations with people at burning man they were just talking to them like some of them are you know there are arrests but like from what i saw there it's not like the after i think for a cop after being a burning man for three days i think their perspective starts changing maybe a little bit because they're in this weirdness just like everybody else i don't know maybe that's naive to say there's undercover cops there and people from my camp said one of the things that they that people do is uh they'll go to where there's like a party or a rave and yeah

there you go cops on atvs yeah there you go with tatas yeah yeah it's pretty funny they're just like doing that but like one of the one of the things they do is they go they'll go to like with monopoly money with like fake money and fake plastic bags and do fake drug deals so that suddenly the undercover cops will come out and then they'll follow the undercover cops, you know, because it draws them out. It's pretty cool. They do fake drug deals. I don't know if it's true or not. That's what I heard.

With fake money. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if it's true or not. Sounds good. Let's end on that. Alright, cool. You've changed my perspective of Burning Man. Good! I'm glad. That's good to hear, man. I'm glad we talked about it on the podcast, because I'm glad we stopped the conversation on the phone. Because you were so adamant about it, I'm like,

we've got to talk about this. I'm glad we did, man. Okay, now I'm super compelled. Alright. See you next year. The end. Cool. Awesome, man. That was great. That was so fun. That was one. That was so fun. That was more than enough.