The Joe Rogan Experience - #868 - John Dudley

Episode Date: November 4, 2016

This episode is currently only available as audio. Joe and John Dudley sat down to do a podcast while on a recent hunting trip in Iowa.

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my guest today is my good friend my archery guru and my hunting buddy John motherfucking Dudley and we are in Iowa ladies and John motherfucking Dudley. And we are in Iowa, ladies and gentlemen. We're Dudley-ing it up. And we're talking.

We did an impromptu podcast. So I'll let you guys have it. So here we go. Without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, the great John Dudley. Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Coming at you live from Iowa.

Deep, deep, deep in the Midwest. That's where we are, right? I don't know where that came from. That was really Jamaican. It was inspired by the lack of diversity in this town a lot of white people out here folks white people in corn you know that that term corn fed that was created in iowa yeah for sure it was i'm having a great time out here john dudley i've been out here my pal john dudleyley and getting some archery coaching

and doing a lot of bow hunting and we're seeing a lot of deer, man. Iowa's like made out of deer and corn. Deer, corn and beans. And white people. Yep. But it's awesome. The deer

out here are incredible. I mean, I've never seen so many white-tailed deer in my life definitely never seen we've hunted for three days so far unsuccessfully but had a great time saw a lot of deer and today at least had a couple pretty close opportunities just you know if you don't know anything about bow hunting you have to be a certain distance from the animal. You have to have a certain kind of shot. It's not like a rifle. With a rifle, an animal could be 300 yards away. All you need is a steady rest and a good rifle, and that's a dead deer.

But with bow hunting, no. You know, you really ideally want to be inside of 40 yards if you can. But what we're seeing is these big, giant, mature, wild, 250, 300-pound mammals that are running around here. You don't think of them that way, but when you're around them, when you drive down the road, you go, oh, look, there's a deer. But when you're hunting them and you make eye contact with these things, it changes the nature of what they are to you. Let's talk about the experience that we had. Was it on the first day or the second day? The first day.

The first day. The first day, we had a couple encounters, then we decided to come down off of the stand, and I decided. We said 1.30 or 1.40 we said we were going to stop. Yeah, I personally said 1.30, and then at 1.25 you said, dude, let's bail. So this is how that always goes. At 1.25, we had been in the stands since 6.30 in the morning.

At 1.25, I got down, and as I'm getting my stuff, we climb all the way down from this tree. John puts his thumb on either side of his head like Bullwinkle to make the classic sign of deer antlers. And this big old honking deer is coming down the way. And first, a little deer came by and got within 15 feet of me? I was going to say 10 feet. It might be 10 feet of me. I was standing by this tree. Obviously, I'm in all camo, and I'm not moving. I'm just freezing.

And young deer and old deer, they might as well be a different species. Yeah, I think they are. They don't look the same. Just with the same hair. They don't look the same, and they definitely don't look at you the same. So one young deer walked by me, didn't notice me at all. He was easily inside of 10 feet. And then the second deer walked by.

He was inside of like 25, 30 yards, walked right by me. But then this mature deer came by and he was his color was different and he spotted me immediately and he looked at me with this crazed intensity in his eyes and it was it's so interesting because right away i go oh that's why people love to hunt these things look how smart that thing is it's just looking at me I mean I was frozen solid I wasn't moving at all and I was looking at him and he was looking at me and his eyes were wide like dinner plates he knew exactly what I was and he was like fuck this and he just turned around and bolted. But it was the electricity in the air and the intensity of his recognition of me. It was so obvious. And I

remember thinking immediately, wow, this is a really intelligent, tuned in animal that knows what a person is. They know people equals hunting. People that are out, you know. Danger. Danger. They equal danger. Where the young ones don't have any idea. I took some pictures, and I'll post a picture up on Instagram. We were sitting in the same stand the second day,

and this young deer came by and literally took a nap underneath us. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Not only did he not know we were there like he didn't give a shit he just laid down he's a year old buck his mom is out being a hoe she's out getting gang banged because they're in the middle of what they call the rut and if you're a non uh wildlife enthusiast, the rut is one time a year. And it's kind of a crazy thing if you think about it. One time a year, they have sex. So the entire year, everything's normal, everybody's buddy-buddy, and then all of a sudden, one time out of the year for how long does it last?

I would say three weeks and ten intensely three weeks for three weeks they lose their fucking minds they lose weight they can't think straight no they run out into traffic they get hit by cars and they're they're literally just boner crazy boner crazy they have no idea what's going on and they go they they go bananas well i sent you a text i said these poor suckers for 340 days a year you can't even find one but then all of a sudden they go full retard yeah imagine that was the case with people imagine if you were like a normal person and then one time out of the year you start growing a sword out of the top of your head and and you just get your neck swells up as big around as your waist i mean for people who don't know they lose those antlers a lot of people

don't even know that that don't pay attention to deer but deer grow antlers fresh every year and then once they're done having sex and they're done with the rut those antlers get weak and they just fall off which is what a bizarre metamorphosis as an animal actually how horn grows is fascinating to me it's incredibly if you if you shoot a deer that's still in velvet and then you're holding that velvet and you have to in order to preserve explain velvet so velvet's like when it's fuzzy like velvet on the horn when it's in the growing phase before it actually hardens it's it's fuzzy like you know just like velvet or fleece. Then what happens is their hormones start to change,

and their horns start to harden, and then they rub the velvet off so that it's just pure hard bone. It's really interesting that it's... It's not bone, right? It's like fingernail-type material, right? I don't know, man. It's harder than my fingernails. Maybe yours, bro. Well, yeah, maybe yours are super hard.

What is it made out of? Why don't you Google it? Can you Google it? Will you have a computer in front of you? Yeah, we'll Google it. They are really fascinating animals. I mean, I'm a wildlife enthusiast i've always been really into wildlife i've always been fascinated by wolves and lions and predators and all kinds

of weird birds and stuff i just i've always been drawn to like nature shows and things along those lines but it's massively intensified since i started hunting let's see what we have here this says the horns of a rhinoceros are made of keratin. Yeah, that's the same stuff as fingernails. Yep. And grow continuously. Well, just Google antlers instead of horns. Because what are you?

You're a goddamn... Yeah, what are antlers made of? It was like the second... Whoa. You're a goddamn professional bow hunter. You're a professional bowhunter. How the hell do you call them horns? Antlers, son.

Are they antlers? Deer antlers are made of true bone that is fed by the covering of velvet. Wow, you're right. Antlers are made of true bone. Well, you're right all the time. Antlers are made of true bone that is fed by blood, which is carried to the outer velvet covering. Velvet antlers are hot to the touch

with brushy hair and a waxy feeling coating deer need both protein and minerals to grow their antlers and that's what i'm saying yeah there's actually blood in them if you shoot a buck and velvet you have to you actually have to inject the velvet with embalming fluid so that they don't like, you know, in order to preserve them. But it's amazing that you can, you have to find the vein in the horn and you push the embalming fluid through. And it actually flushes and the blood comes out the base of the horn. How do you find the vein? There's one vein that runs the entire length of the main beam, and there's one that runs from each tide.

It's really strange. I shot a velvet buck in Colorado last year, and it's in my desk in my studio. And they said, how do you want to take care of it? Like when I was getting it treated, because I get all my heads done, what's called European mount style. The European mount style is like if you see a mounted head on someone's wall with the skin and the fur on it, and then they have fake eyeballs and the fake nose. That's like traditionally what you see.

I find that offensive. I know that's a doll. I'm looking at a doll pretending to be the deer I shot. There's a foam thing under there it's got fake eyes i know it's fake but if you you see the skull like that's a real skull radish patch buck that that buck is awesome that is a massive buck is that the one you shot on your show in colorado or in wyoming montana montana because it wasn't lighted nox, right? You couldn't use lighted nox. So I told them, they go, what do you want to do with the velvet?

And I said, does it scrape off? They were like offended. They're like, what? You want to scrape it off? I was like, there's antler in there, right? I go, do whatever you want to do. Just let me know. They do that in Europe. In Europe, like if the Danish shoot a buck.

I've been on a few hunts with Danish people and they'll shoot a buck. And if it's in full velvet, they strip it all off right away. Because it's not like, it's almost like, I think they feel like they shot an adolescent. Even though it's in a fully matured. Because by the time season opens that velvet is on the verge of being rubbed off the horn is fully matured but it just hasn't come off so but that's denmark right they don't know any better and that's just it's like they're they're barely developed i don't know they know they're just in that barrel they're just out of the caves

fairly developed. I don't know. They know. They're just out of the caves. They just got out of the caves a couple weeks ago. If you're listening from Denmark, we're kidding, folks. We've been up since 6 o'clock in the morning. 5.

5. That's right. I was up at 4.30 hot tubbing. Whoa, he was hot tubbing. Not with me. I'll tell you that. I don't hot tub with dudes. I got up at 5.

But anyway, we're out the door at 5.30. So we've been up for a long time. That's the point. Right now it is almost 10 p.m. And we've got to do it again tomorrow. Tomorrow is the last day of this fantabulous hunt here in the great Midwest state of Iowa. Well, what do you think of Iowa hunting? Awesome. Amazing.

Well, it's a tradition here? And it's, it's obvious, you know, the, the, when you talk to all the folks, the locals, uh, our friend Craig, who is the local game warden, you know, gives us all the details on all walls that's going down. Your neighbor shot a giant. Good Lord. I know. Oh my God. He shot a monster, monster animal. He's on the uppity up. But, no, what I really appreciate about Iowa is they have a great program, too. And you haven't got to experience it yet because we haven't got to go to the meat locker. But Iowa has a program called the Hush. And it's pretty much hunters feeding the hungry is really what it is.

It's a great program to where people are allowed to shoot extra deer tags and they can donate that to a Hunters for the Hungry program so they actually feed like it goes to homeless shelters and things like that. And it's a necessity like i told you in my county here i believe the number of antlerless deer that have to be taken is like 4200 extra tags and you see the population right well you you've seen how many how many times have we had to slow the truck down to not hit a deer, and you've been here three days. Quite a few. Quite a few. The sheer population numbers are pretty incredible. And one of the reasons for it is that they've done a really good job of making sure there's not overhunting.

They also regulate the type of hunting you can do where mostly it's bow hunting in iowa but you can shotgun hunt but you can only shotgun hunt for a few days a year and by the way i'd rather have a bow than a shotgun you can make a longer shot with a bow than you can with a shotgun and a more efficient shot with a bow than you can with a shotgun it's um i just feel like you get to enjoy more of nature you don't blow your ears out either yeah what what that's an inside joke there's a lot of people with blown ears from guns folks mine are ringing right now yeah it's cam's ring all the time too they do yeah yep i know a lot of guys who have been hunters their whole life who have really bad ear problem ranlla has ear problems.

Is Cam as deaf as I am? Not quite as deaf as you are, but he's got ringing problems. He's got issues. Yeah. It's, again, from shooting firearms when he's young without ear protection. I wear ear protection every time I fire a gun. Every time. That's smart.

Yeah, mine ringing. You have to. I was never told otherwise. Except this last time I shot that elk. I shot that elk with no ear protection. Were they ringing then? No. Just one shot. You're too tough for

your ears to ring. That's very kind of you but not true. Does anybody have tough ears? Yeah, bro. My ears are tough. Go ahead. Scream in my ears, bro. I don't know. I've seen some cauliflower ear in the UFC. There's no sound penetrating those suckers. Well, it's not good sound.

People always ask me why I don't have cauliflower ears. I wear ear guards. I've always worn ear guards. For 20 years, I wore ear guards. I have a little tiny bit of cauliflower ear. You can feel it here. What cauliflower is, if you don't know is um when your ears get bent over or broken it doesn't have to happen from wrestling it can

happen sometimes boxers get it you can get it if somebody hits your ear if something hits your ear what it is is basically just bleeding and when it swells up with blood when blood sits there and pools up when it heals it calcifies and so it literally becomes a rock yeah like randy couture used to drive his cauliflower ear into his opponent's eyeballs because it's like a rock so he's he's taking guys down and like he's clenching with them and he's shoving his ear into their eye socket and using it as a weapon to drive them down. But good luck getting some fucking iPod earbuds into those things, man. That's not happening. You can't hear good either.

Take your ears, folks. If you're listening at home, take your ears and then take the top and do this. Fold them down like that and then hear how different everything sounds and then let them go. Your ear ears designed a very specific way and that way is to catch the sound waves the sound waves come in it resonates off of the shape of your ear and it goes into the hole these guys that i know i know a ton of guys whose ears are so fucked up they can't get earbuds in. They have to wear over-the-ear earbuds. Oh, it's super common.

It's really, really common. It's probably why they always have the big over-the-ear beats by Dre. Yeah, all those sponsors. Oh, okay, sponsor stuff. Yeah, they sponsor the UFC. Okay. But, yeah, it's hard for them to get earbuds in. They're not going to fit.

They're not getting an earbud in. I don't know how we got into earbuds. We started with Iowa. How do we go with this? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You saw Caitlyn Jenner's nipple. Things you can't unsee for a hundred.

I'm going to take it. I'm going to spin this thing right around. Alex, I'm going to go with things you can't unsee. Yeah. All of a sudden, they're big. Caitlin has big boobs. I want to point out the political correctness of all the people in your hunting camp because everybody referred to her as a she.

Yeah. Really? Well, I didn't. No, one of my buddies came, and one of his buddies played golf. Yeah. Did a charity outing and then had a picture. And they were surprised that there was such a transformation. There's a surprise.

Surprise! Yep. There was a lot going on. Well, what do you think about this fight card? Got a fox fight tomorrow night. Yeah, we're going to come back and watch the fights after I kill a monster buck. It's on the books, folks. It's in the cards.

I'm making a prediction. It's a big fight. The main event is huge. It's Rafael Dos Andros, who's the former UFC lightweight champ, versus Tony Ferguson, who is undoubtedly, without question, one of the best lightweights in the world. And the guy's been knocking on the door to a title shot for a while. It's a really interesting fight because it highlights a real issue with MMA right now,

and that issue is weight cutting. Rafael Dos Andros had a terrible weight cut for the Eddie Alvarez fight. I'm hearing a lot of conflicting stories, but all of them really bad. I shouldn't say conflicting. I should say different stories. But of what went on when he was making weight for his fight with Eddie Alvarez. And apparently he was in bad shape, like really bad shape, like barely made weight for that and was, you know,

just really in physical discomfort and pain and just all screwed up from that weight cut. I think weight cutting is one of the worst aspects of fighting. I think it might be worse than the beatings these guys take. We don't see it visually. We don't sees these guys take. We don't see it visually. We don't see cuts in their face. We don't see knockouts. We don't see blood

when they're cutting weight. So we don't think of it as the same kind of damage that we do from a beating. But I think it might be as bad if not worse. I would say worse. It could very well be.

And then even more worse is the fact these guys are dehydrating themselves literally to death's door and then fighting train killers 24 hours later. It's unavoidable. It's unnecessary. I mean, it's not unavoidable. It's avoidable. It's unnecessary.

And it's foolish. I think it's one of the most foolish aspects of the sport. one of the most foolish aspects of the sport. And, you know, we were talking today with some of the guys at your camp about, like, issues with MMA and what the new owners are going to do now that the UFC has been purchased. And I hope they institute a program to eliminate weight cutting. I think it is one of the biggest problems and biggest – it's a time bomb. And it's just waiting to go off in everybody's face.

And a guy like Rafael Dos Anjos, who's one of the elite of the elite, before he lost to Eddie Alvarez, a lot of people, including me, were making the argument that he might be the best lightweight ever. You look at it. He knocked out Benson Henderson. He beat the shit out of Nate Diaz. He knocked out Cowboy Cerrone in one round. He's a fucking monster. I mean, he's a killer. He beat the shit out of Anthony Pettis for five rounds to win the title.

Just rolled him over. Just beat him down. You can make the argument he's one of the greatest, certainly one of the greatest lightweights of all time. Might be the best in terms of champions, and the guy was so depleted from his weight cut that he was like i heard he was passing

out backstage you know i just i just if that guy died let's imagine i mean god forbid right but let's imagine if a guy like that dies because of a weight cut and it has happened the last weight the last death in MMA was in Brazil, and it was from a fighter who cut weight. He died from weight cutting. He didn't die from the fight itself. I think it's a terrible thing that could be eliminated. And I think that if we did, you would see better fights.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I think someone like that that's having to cut that much are they really are you really seeing them at their best you absolutely are not there's no question about it see i think cowboy looks way better when he's when he's fighting heavier much better look how good he looks at 170 i think that's it he was always he's always been an elite fighter even at 55 but at 170 he looks like a world champion exactly yeah i Yeah, I'm waiting to see a title contention right there that way.

I think it's an old thing. We were talking today about Cyborg. Yeah. Because you were telling me what she walks around at. 175, yeah. It's like, how? And I said, well, as jacked as she is, how does she cut that much? I mean, that seems like an impossibility.

She does it. Sheer strength of will. George Lockhart, who's her coach, who's a really, really high level nutritionist and weight cutting expert, and he gets her down on that weight. But it's not pretty. You know, there's a video of her struggling to make 140.

The weight classes in the UFC for women, as of right now, there's only two. There is 115 and then there's 135. And they've experimented with 125. They talked about doing 125 pound weight classes.

Like a title at 125. But as of yet, it doesn't exist. But I think honestly, Cyborg has said that really her best weight class isn't even 45. Well, she's a champion of an Invicta. Her best weight class would be 55. Yeah, I would say.

Yeah. And there's other girls out there, man. Build it, and they will come. I think 55 would be a really good women's class. Because you'd almost have that Mark Hunt, Brock Lesnar style. You'd get some real just powerhouses in there that are still not too big where they're out of shape. But they could just, I mean, they could be like cyborg.

I think if you built it, you'd have people coming from other countries that you probably don't even know about. I think you certainly would after a few years. And that's just an investment that i think they have to make with women's mma right now women's mma is where men's mma was when the ufc was first purchased because a lot of people don't realize but when the ufc bought the when they purchased it from the old owners they eliminated the 155 pound weight class because they used to have a 155 then they had a 170 and then they had i think they had a middle weight and a light heavy

weight and a heavy weight still but they didn't have anything lower than 170 so a lot of guys either left the ufc to fight in other organizations or they moved up to 170 and competed at 170 and some guys were like really oversized or undersized for that weight class so that's not enough obviously I mean it's really important that for a guy like Mighty Mouse like if there wasn't a 125 pound weight class which where Mighty Mouse competes we wouldn't be able to see the best fighter of all time compete in his perfect weight class. Or 135. You wouldn't be able to see Dominic Cruz compete at his optimal weight class. 145.

You wouldn't be able to see Jose Aldo go on that reign of terror for all those years. You wouldn't be able to see Conor McGregor fight at 145 and beat Aldo. And then 55. For the long time, 55, which is one of the most competitive and talent-rich divisions in the UFC, didn't even exist. And so I think that the UFC, if they really want to make that commitment for women's MMA, they should have a full range of weight classes for those girls to compete at. I think they should start maybe even lower than 115. I mean, you could make a real strong argument for a 105-pound woman's class, a 105, a 115, a 125.

And then I think really the trend of those 10-pound per weight class, that should exist in the men's division as well. There's too big. The gaps in the men's divisions are way too big. There's 170, and then there's 15 pounds higher, 185. That's a big jump. And then there's 20 pounds higher, 185. That's a big jump. And then there's 20 pounds above that, 85 to 205, 20 pounds. Think about taking 20 16-ounce T-bone steaks. And that's how much bigger that guy is than the guy before him. Then you go 205 to 265. So think about taking 60 T-bone steaks.

6-0 and stacking them up. Thinking about all the horsepower that comes with all that weight. It's just, there's two, the gaps are too large. There's too few weight classes. So I think the UFC would be, it would be very smart for them to make more weight classes, do a weight class every 10 pounds, and eliminate the weight cutting if they could. And I think it can be done. They're probably going to have to get rid of some champions, though. Not get rid of, but they're going to have to move people around.

Reorganize around. Yeah, I mean, and the people who are champions, they're not going to want to do that. around yeah i mean and the people who are champions yeah they're not going to want to do that you know you're not going to be able to it's going to be a hard fight to tell a guy like dominic cruz you can't cut weight you know when he's the world champion you say look man what do you weigh you weigh 155 you're gonna have to fight at 155 yeah what it'd be interesting though to see how much better fights we'd see yeah if people were i mean there's obviously going to be a position where people are getting in good shape because there's a lot of fighters now that the testing's happening to where that when they come out you can tell they're not as noticeably good shape as what

they were at one time they're not as jacked yeah Yeah, they're not as muscular. Yeah. And it kind of seems like maybe we aren't getting the same class of fighting at times. With some guys. Yeah, with some guys. But the best guys, I don't think that's the case. Guys like Mighty Mouse. I mean, he's still the elite of the elite. You go down to 55, Eddie Alvarez looks sensational at 55, and he has no issues with it.

He looks just as good after the USADA testing as he ever did. Look at Tyron Woodley. Passes like a flying color, and if anybody looks like they're some sort of a science project, it's Tyron Woodley. He's like the best-built guy in the UFC. Clean as a whistle, just awesome genetics and hard training you know and then you go up to a 185 yoel romero is the king of the freaks and he's the freakiest freak that ever freaked i mean that guy's if that guy's not on steroids you just go what the well you know some people just have amazing genetics yeah those

people they're walking around at their weight they should be in. Yeah. I think that would help the whole sport. If they could figure out how to do that, if they could figure out how to eliminate the weight cutting and do it smart and do it over a period of time and figure out a way to establish new champions and new divisions and give guys financial incentives to do this. Just let them know for your own good, for everybody's good. There's nothing wrong with being lean if you want to lose body fat and drop down some weight in a natural, healthy way. But this dehydration shit has got to stop. It's a time bomb.

It's a ticking time bomb. And it's waiting to blow up in the face of the most exciting sport in the world. And I just think it's totally avoidable. And if you're training the way these guys are training, you're losing your excess fat anyway. Well, if you're eating right. Unfortunately, some guys, like look at Big Country. Roy Nelson trains like a madman, but he eats like shit.

Unfortunately, he eats like a madman too. You can't say that it's just training because Roy's not out of shape. That sounds crazy to say when you look at him, but he's not out of shape. If you underestimated his cardio and you go, man, I'm going to have to to train for this guy that guy will beat your ass you know he's in real good shape but he just got he just carries too much excess body fat it's well aubrey's always talking about how cowboy likes his candy yeah but he stopped that he did yeah he did say that well once he started getting into on it he started getting into on it supplements and he started listening to uh real nutritionists and he just completely altered his diet and for the first

time in his life started supplementing and you know taking it that off i got it man i'm taking off these boots one of these goddamn boots all day we haven't done almost we have done almost nothing but yet I'm exhausted. That's the irony of this whitetail hunting. He's sitting in a tree stand all day waiting for deer. It's totally a mental game. It is. I told you going in.

It's mental, and it's completely, for a guy like me, takes me completely out of my comfort zone. I actually took video of you on the second morning. We were about two hours in, and I could tell Joe was just like, this is bull crap because he's like, wait, we're going to sit here 13 hours? He was, you did like, you were doing twisties. You were like going side to side, like twisting twisting then you were doing some squat thrusts you were like kind of like doing like quarter squats then you ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich then you like drank your coffee then you took a

leak that was all in the first hour and a half just trying trying to get amped up, bro. I'm prepared, bro. I was like, okay. I want to make sure when it goes down. That's the other thing, too. It's like there's all this time. I mean, think about all the time you practice archery. You know, I practice archery. I try to practice four days a week.

If I don't practice four days a week, I get upset with myself. I'd like to practice every day, but sometimes that doesn't work out. But I can usually get in at least an hour or so four days a week. I get upset with myself. I'd like to practice every day, but sometimes that doesn't work out. But I can usually get in at least an hour or so four days a week. So that's all these weeks and weeks and weeks of practice. And some days, I mean, if I don't have shit to do, I'll practice three or four hours. And so I'm just shooting arrow after arrow after arrow, waiting for one moment where an animal turns broadside. It's like, it's almost like, it's not as crazy as a fight because there's no physical consequences to me. But it's more crazy in some ways because literally it depends on one execution of one move.

The one execution, the release of a perfect arrow, and the concentration and the focus has to be perfect, and you have to launch that arrow right through the vitals of a wild animal that has no idea you're alive. It doesn't even know you're there until that arrow gets launched. And that to me is one of the most exciting things about archery one of the most exciting things about it is how much it really does get you out of your comfort zone how much it's so different than anything else you do because like a fight a fight is more dangerous for you. There's more physical consequences. It's more nerve-wracking.

It's scarier. But you've got some time. They shut that gate and they say, Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's get it on. Come on. Sometimes you get knocked out quick. That definitely happens. But most of the time, especially if you're good and you fight intelligently,

you're moving around and you're avoiding trouble. You're trying to solve the problem. It's up to your conditioning and your training to experience this thing and to try to get through it. If it all goes well, you've gone through a three-round or a five-round fight. Longest case scenario for a championship round or a main event, 25 minutes. So in 25 minutes, you have enough time to figure out how to get it done and solve the riddle and the puzzle that your opponent presents. In bowhunting, you have one execution. So months

and months and months and months. Say for a tag in Iowa, super hard to get. For most people you put in, you might get one every five years. And with a tag, for people who don't know anything about hunting, the way they keep the populations healthy is they regulate the amount of people that can hunt. So they have a limited amount of people that are allowed to hunt in the great state of Iowa. You get a tag every five years and when you get that tag do you have as many days as you have off of work that you can make it out here and to get it done there's a tremendous amount of pressure and you have one deer tag it all boils down to one shot on one wild animal it's a lot of tension there a lot of shit

going on that's like a i mean that's like saying you're gonna be in a fight but we're only gonna give you one punch yeah each of you get gets one and we'll see who wins sort of but you're not gonna get hit right and you're punching them with a of an eastern full metal jacket you know arrow going I don't know how many feet, probably 290 feet a second, probably somewhere around there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah, you'd be equivalent to a 100-mile-an-hour fastball, I think.

Yeah, 100-mile-an-hour fastball with razor blades at the end of it. I mean, that's really what it is. I'd probably watch the World Series if that's what they were chucking. But as a discipline, there's more to it than just the pursuit of an animal. There's a bunch of shit going on, and I know people get tired of me talking about hunting sometimes. Some people who are animal lovers or vegetarians or something something get really angry and they don't even like these podcasts but i just try i'm just trying to relay what's going on in my mind in my thought process that

this is like a it's like a meditation like a discipline and this incredibly difficult task, through it, you're trying to find the layers of the onion. You're trying to dig deep into the heart of the thing to find out what it really is. And it reveals itself to you. Even archery reveals itself to you through the intense pressure of bow hunting because there's like archery when there's a target and you're 20 yards away from it and you draw back and try to hit the x you know there's a little bit of pressure and then you move the site back to 40 yards then there's a little bit more pressure and then you move it back to 80 yards oh That's a long way. Okay, I've got to concentrate. Then, after all these arrows,

then there's an animal. And then there's an animal and it's moving. And it's walking. And what you have to do is wait to the moment where that thing stops. And there's tremendous pressure. And there's tremendous responsibility.

And there's tremendous consequences. The last thing you want to do is see that arrow fly and there's tremendous consequences the last thing you want to do is see that arrow fly and hit that deer in the dick and have that thing run off screaming you're like no and you realize not only did you not kill it you maimed it it's probably going to live it's going to be in pain for months yeah you don't want that no you don't want that so you have this massive requirement and massive responsibility of you. And through the intense pressure of this discipline, archery reveals itself. It reveals and that's one of the fascinating things about it is is developed as a weapon both to hunt and to kill other people and that's really what it was intended for yeah it's definitely a one of the most advanced penetrating because armor came about, right? Yeah. And an arrow as a projectile is extremely efficient at penetration. Yes.

Because it's heavy mass with a very defined point. Of impact. Of impact. And I mean, I told you about a time where I did some work with Oakley on a ballistic helmet that they were doing for one of our military teams. And they brought me over because at the time I was at the U.S. Archery Training Center in Chula Vista. So I went over to Oakley and they had me shooting these masks that they had developed because they were saying they wanted to know whether or not an arrow could penetrate them. And they were confident that these things were going to work because they said it stopped shotguns. It stops 9 millimeters.

They were dropping these big steel staffs on them and everything was working. But when I looked at it, I said, I'm going to punch right through that thing. And they put them on crash dummy heads. And I shot them out in the Oakley parking lot at 100 yards. And I mean, dude, every one of those things were dead meat there was arrow hanging out both ends i probably have pictures on what uh what pound weight we pulling um it was my target bow i was only pulling 60 wow and i told them i said there's so much energy being generated to the front of this tip i, even though this is made to block stuff that flattens, because like a bullet will flatten.

So it disperses its energy out. And, you know, obviously you absorb a lot of that shock. If you get hit with a bullet and it flattens, that energy gets, you know, it gets connected into you. You bruise. Yeah. And you, I mean, connected into you. You bruise. Yeah. And you, I mean, it's shock. Whereas with an arrow, it would just cut through. Unless it hits solid mass, it would cut through and go out,

and you wouldn't even know it. It's just like when you cut yourself with a knife and you're like, oh, crap. You know, and you kind of grab it. You know it's bad but you don't really want to look whereas if you shot yourself in the finger with a gun i mean you you know your whole hand would have felt it right it's not like it's going to just feel like a paper cut that and that's really the difference well especially when you consider the fact that you're shooting a light arrow through a target bow.

Like if you were using your hunting setup and a heavy arrow with... Oh, that's hilarious. He shot right through that thing. It went through its eye out the back of the head. That's so funny that they thought... I pulled it out and then I signed a couple... I did some glasses too, but I signed you're dead that's hilarious

yeah that's funny that they thought it would be fine see the penetration yeah that's not good they wouldn't let me show the helmets wow that went a foot plus deep. Kind of looks like Quaglita. It looks like Quaglita and Uriah Faber had a baby.

It does. I wish I remembered his name. Look at Dudley looking all young and dapper. I was. No gray hair. That bow is not as powerful as your main bow your hunting bow and the arrows aren't as heavy and the heavier arrows get more and you're using a field tip too right yeah yeah so you don't even have like a cutting yeah no i mean you think back in medieval

times man they were cutting through chain mail with arrows that's what i mean that's why that's what they were designed have you ever seen those i wanted to ask you this before and i always forget have you um you ever used one of those mongol thumb rings the mongols had a very peculiar way of releasing their uh archery um their their arrows the way they would use the the release on the bow they had a ring like a fat piece of bone that would fit around their thumb and they would hook with the thumb on the string and this was how they would hold it they would hold it like this like almost like they were shooting pool

yeah so they reach over i've seen them do it but i didn't know they had a ring so most people they think of like robin hood style of pulling back a recurve where you would grab it with your fingers and pull it back with your fingers but what they would do is that thumb ring comes out and they wrap that around and if you go back to that picture that you had earlier you can see that picture right there see that is where the the the cord the the drawstring yeah hits on that and the thumb goes through that loop and then they wrap their finger around it so that is what holds on that seems to me to be a way better way than holding it with your fingers like this and just letting go with your fingers it seems like it would be more repeatable and also that hard surface yeah what probably

fingers you have the more repeatable it'll be that's guy's got a spoon he's using it looks like he's using a spoon he went metal some people don't like to mess around he's metal could be titanium yeah could have melted down his his first love's necklace and just went crazy could have taken a cock ring and just stretched out part of it. I think that is for sure. That's a cock ring. It is. But the Mongols used to use bone. There's like a whole series of them right there.

Pretty badass. I haven't seen any other people that have done this before. And this is something that I got into after I listened to the Hardcore History series on the Mongols. I really got super fascinated about them and their archery methods. According to Dan Carlin, at least, and he's done pretty extensive research, their bows were 160-pound pole recurves.

Yeah, they were tremendous. But they would have to be because they weren't near as efficient then. So they would have to be because they weren't near as efficient then so i would have to be in order to generate the i believe they invented the recurve actually i'm pretty sure the mongols did yeah i'm pretty sure they were at least the first adopters they might have invented it well let's let's google that shit who invented the recurve bow? What do you think? Take a guess. You're an archery fanatic. Who invented the recurve bow?

I would have to say it's either going to be them or... I think it's the Mongols. I might have made that up, though. Let's see. And the survey says... Who invented the recurve bow? Recurve bows? I was going to say the Greeks. Is that what it says, the Greeks?

Second millennium B.C. Wow. The recurve bow spread to Egypt, much of Asia in the second millennium B.C. Okay, so I'm definitely wrong. Because the Mongols were, during the Genghis Khan days at least, that was 1200. So go to that Mongol bow in Wikipedia. It's a type of recurved composite bow. Look at that.

They had a specific type of bow, a recurved composite bow. It can be two types of bow. From the 17th century onward, most of the traditional bows in Mongolia were replaced with a similar Manchu bow, Onward, most of the traditional bows in Mongolia were replaced with a similar Manchu bow, which is primarily distinguished by larger, what's that word? Siyas? S-I-Y-A-H? In the presence of prominent string bridges. Hmm.

The old Mongolian bows were used during the rule of Genghis Khan, were smaller than the modern Manchu-derived weapons used by most NADAM paintings as well as at least one surviving example of a 13th century Mongol bow. Dude, I want that. Imagine having a 13th century Mongol bow. That would be the shoot.

I know. I've shot one before. Have you really? Yeah. I wanted to always shoot one off horseback but I wasn't able to do it. I've shot one before. Have you really? Yeah. I wanted to always shoot one off horseback, but I wasn't able to do it. I did. I'll try to find a picture here for you. I was presented one as a gift. I don't know where I've got it, but I've got one here. I've got a Mangobo that I was given as a gift.

And they said, well, traditionally, these were always shot off horseback. That's why they're short. Oh, that makes sense. That's why they're short, so that you can do it. So I ended up, I was on one of my coaching tours through Europe. So the guy that was actually escorting me, his name was Andre, I actually got on his back. I made him act like a horse.

That's ridiculous. You're a big guy. Yeah, and he's about 65. No. Yeah. You were riding a 65-pound man? Riding him like Seabiscuit, dude. You have a picture of that?

I'm going to find it. I need to see a picture of you riding an old man. You might have killed him. That's not fair. What do you weigh? You've got to weigh at least 240 pounds. I'm up there. Yeah, I'm up there.

How tall are you? 230 right now. Tall. Yeah. Oh, tall? 6'5". Yeah, you're a big motherfucker to be riding a 65-year-old man. I don't think any 65-year-old man should be carrying around 6'5 dudes. That's just me, though.

I know. Well, he was taking one for the team. That's one that might break his back. I know. I don't want to take that one. I've got the picture somewhere, but I'll have to post it later. So the Mongols, according to Dan Carlin, they had developed timing where they would release the bow as the horse was in the air. So that it didn't disturb them with the bouncing.

Well, that totally makes sense. So as the horse was in the air, that's when they would release. Yeah, I think I would have figured that part out too. So as the horse was in the air, that's when they would release. Yeah, I think I would have figured that part out too. Yeah, I mean, your archery has come a long way, man. Because of you, my friend. Because of you. Well, I wasn't saying it for that reason, but I'm thoroughly impressed. You're a perfect protege because you applied everything taught i what i think so cool about

archery is that people of any age can do it any age any type of stature we're going through i gotta show you some of these pictures i wish is it you riding a man well there will be a picture of me is this like just coaching pictures? Yeah, yeah, just thousands. But now that I'm going through them, I'm like remembering some of these people that I had to work with. Well, people wouldn't even know why to laugh at that. The things about archery, you know, obviously bow hunting, I think, is like one of the most extreme expressions of it. But I had no idea before I started practicing it how deep the rabbit hole goes.

And I think that's the case with a lot of things. I think that's probably the case with most disciplines, most things that people do that are really difficult. I think that's certainly probably the case with golf and some other things that I've never tried. But with archery, I can't believe how much effort is involved in it. I posted something about it on Instagram once about how

rewarding it is and how difficult it is and how humbling it is and you keep practicing. This is you on this, man. That's hilarious. This is horrible. How's my form? It looks excellent, considering that you're crippling someone.

We have to post that on Instagram. Save that and post that tonight so we'll have a link to this. Oh, that's another thing I want to ask you about. I'm sure you've seen this guy. His name is Lars Anderson and he's got this method where he holds arrows in between his fingers of the hand

he's drawing the bow backward John's shaking his head right now I've got to call bull crap on that really? how do you call him bull crap? I think part of it was somewhat believable and why they held the arrows the way they did so they could load and shoot faster.

There's no doubt if you would want him on your team because he has obviously perfected that technique. But it's not like historically there's facts and stories around of people that had that type of skill you know there are ancient photos or ancient drawings rather of yeah of them carrying the arrows that way i would yeah i would definitely say they carry it that way because you could load it but his method of of shooting and his trick style of shooting, I don't know if people would become that proficient with it. I do. I think they would be.

I mean, if that's what you did, I mean, think about the Mongols and the fact that they used that weapon so efficiently to dominate massive chunks of the world. And this is a conversation we were having earlier today. Yeah, that was fascinating. About the New York Times article that said that during Genghis Khan's day, they killed so many people, it changed the carbon footprint of the world.

They killed 10% of the human population on Earth. 10% were directly connected to the Mongols. The Mongols had killed 10% of the Earth. When you hear that, it just makes you think, how could that be done? How is that done? The numbers, the conservative numbers, are somewhere around 20 million.

The liberal estimates go as high as 70. That's, I mean, it is an unreal number. It's unreal. But they were arguably madmen. Madmen, 100%. I mean, it was crazy times. That's what we'd go to if all of a sudden everyone's cell phone shut off and the sun stopped. Well, if one group came along that was that ruthless, they're willing to take it that far.

I mean, life in 1200 was just particularly ruthless, right? I mean, it was a brutal time to be alive. There was no medicine. There was no surgery. There was very little, at least, very little sophistication. And these people, most of them lived in felt tents. I mean, that's what most of the Mongols lived in. I mean, that's part of the name Genghis Khan and his doctrine that he lived by was that he was the ruler of all who lived in felt tents.

And he believed that people who lived in tents were superior to people that lived in homes. And those people that lived in homes, they sort of dehumanized them. They thought they were pieces of shit living in a house. Fuck these people. They can't even live in a tent? Like a civilized person?

And they were really crazy. I always encourage people to do this, but if you're listening to this and this isn't at all intriguing go to dan carlin's hardcore history apparently now if you go on itunes you have to pay for the wrath of the cons ones because the way dan carlin's works and it's only a dollar a show, by the way, folks. And it's worth way more than that. And you say, I'm going to pay for a podcast. It's not really a podcast. This is a podcast. John and I, we hunted all day.

We had some dinner. We had a couple of drinks. And we said, we've got to do this podcast. So we sat down. We're just shooting this shit. What Dan Carlin does is exhaustive research. And he works on these things for months at a time. And they're essentially like hour and a half hardcore history is the name of it.

But that is what it is. It's a hardcore historical audio book on whatever subject he covers. And all of them are equally amazing. And the Hardcore History series on Wrath of the Khans is a five-part series. It's one of my most cherished audio recordings. It's fucking incredible. I've listened to it, no bullshit, maybe 30 times.

I just keep listening to it over and over again just to absorb all the details because it's so crazy the way these people lived. It is fascinating. It's worth a bucket show, folks show folks pay for it it's not like my show my show was a dollar show go on bit torrent steal that fucking thing this this pay for it pay for this because it's a work of art but um but archery until modern times consisted of the you know the the sophisticated leaps in technology were just like the recurve bow and more efficient and better recurve bow bows and better materials until the compound bow came along which was when i don't know i'm trying to think when it was.

I'm going to guess. Fred Bear invented it, didn't he? I think it was the Allen. Oh, was it? Okay, who invented the combat bow? Who invented the compound bow? First compound bow. Let's find out.

I'm not a historian. How dare you not be a historian? I just shoot. All right, let's see. What not be a historian? I just shoot. All right. Let's see. What does it say here? Wilbur Allen. Why is Oprah crying?

Oprah's crying. Oh, shocking. Oprah, secrets revealed. Oh, okay. Wilbur Allen changed the face of archery forever when he decided that he'd make a bow by sawing off part of the limbs of a recurve and attaching pulleys. Oh. 1960s.

Okay. Why do I think it was Fred Bear? I think I watched some Bear Archery propaganda. That's why. Dang it all. Yeah. Okay. So, Holess, H-O-L-E-S-S, Wilbur Allen.

Hmm. Yep. And that was in the 1960s. That's interesting because that looks like a modern day elite bow. Inside joke, folks. Just kidding. If you're an elite shooter and you're like, what the fuck? You don't know shit about archery.

You're right. I don't. I'm just joking. Yeah, we're Googling stuff. Don't get so uppity. Don't get so attached to your shit, god damn it. So 1960s is when it became what it is now or the beginning of what it is now

but what we're shooting with 1966 right before I was born what we're shooting with now is these new Hoyt Pro Defiance this one that I got literally three days ago is the best barbershop

it's amazing it feels so good when you shoot with it, it's so smooth literally three days ago, is the best barber shot. It's amazing. It's so good. It feels so good when you shoot with it. It's so smooth and it's so accurate. It's incredible how far the technology has come. I mean, we're shooting today out to 80 yards. And I shot the day before that 85 yards.

And regularly placing it in the 10 ring at 80 yards yeah i mean that is that's an incredible sophistication and technology and you're shooting 84 pounds yeah it's heavy with a 500 grain arrow it's i mean that is shit's gonna die ballistic heads would would implode if you were hitting them like if you shoot if you were at oakley oh yeah that's they need a new backstop that's a different thing yeah that the kind of yeah well we had this discussion though it's all about what you can physically manage we had this discussion on your podcast you listen to this podcast you want to hear another drunk and rambling bullshit fest john and i did an episode of knock on which is if you're getting into archery john's podcast is in my opinion the best archery podcast in the world it's the most informative

and it's how john and i became friends uh we became friends because i went to hoyt and um hoyt the company that makes these bows i went there with my family because i was in salt lake and i made i don't like skiing man i don't like it it's fucking boring to me but i do it because my family likes it they're like we were going down the hill we i'm like all right i'll go i'll go fine i'm like oh but please can we just stop in at salt lake city so i can visit the hoit factory i want to check it out so uh and i was in there and i was talking to mike looper uh and mike loop, one of the big wigs over at Hoyt, and I was telling him, I go, I listen to that John Dudley's podcast all the time. That podcast's amazing.

I'm like, it's so informative. And then Looper told you, and then somehow or another he connected us, and next thing you know, you're giving me some coaching. Well, it's funny because Mike's a practical joker. He's always, like, he'll always call, and then he starts out with, like, Hi, is Mr. Dudley there? Like, he always does these different voices. And he's always playing jokes. Well, anyway, Sharon and I went to Hoyt, like, two hours after you were there.

Oh, that's funny. That's hilarious. And we pull in, and then Mike's like dude rogan was just here and he loves your podcast and i'm like thinking here we go and he's like no seriously and i'm like oh yeah does he and he's like yeah and he's like he's in town he's skiing and he's gonna go over to the western expo and i said well that's what we're here for we're gonna be over at the western expo and i said well that's what we're here for we're going to be over at the western expo because we were we actually went for felt bikes because felt put their bikes at the western expo and they said will you come here and like give a testimony that you use these things well explain what a felt bike is we've been using them all week they're awesome they're they're

mountain bikes that have like assisted it's e it's an e-bike so it's um it has a pedal assist it has a bosch motor on it and as long as you're pedaling you can it has a battery that you charge and as long as you're pedaling you can you have four settings, and you can use a setting where it actually assists you. And the way I describe it is each one of those numbers, whether it's eco, sport, tour. Turbo. Turbo. Whichever one it is, it's almost like that is equal to one other person being on your bike. I want to just tell you something.

I never use those things with anything less than turbo. Whatever was set up, I was like, turbo, shut the fuck up. And they're unbelievable. As long as you're turning the pedals, they'll go 17 miles an hour, which I think is what, by law, anything that goes over that, I think it gets kind of classified as a different type of... It's not eligible to go on non-motorized trails. So you can use these bikes on non-motorized paths,

like in Montana and stuff. You'd be able to take these, like where Green Tree went. You'd be able to take a bike on that same trail. Well, what's important about it is two things. One, you can charge these things with solar power because they're electrical. And two, one of the things that happens in these cold weather hunts is you hike far and wide up mountains. And if you didn't do a good job of layering, so you might have too much clothes on on the

way up there and you start sweating. And then once you get there, then you're hunting. So you're not too much clothes on on the way up there. And you start sweating. And then once you get there, then you're hunting. So you're not climbing hills anymore. You're stopped. Now you're stopped and you fucking freeze. And hypothermia is the number one cause of death in the mountains. Is it really? Yes.

It kills more people than grizzly bears, rattlesnakes, mountain lions. People fucking freeze to death. And grizzly bears, rattlesnakes, mountain lions, people fucking freeze to death. And when you're up there and you sweat, especially if you're wearing cotton, one of the biggest improvements that people figured out was merino wool. Because if you wear merino wool, there's something about the natural fibers in wool that allow you to stay warm. It retains heat. Is it? Yeah.

This is an Under Armour shirt? Mm-hmm. Well, First Light has an awesome merino wool selection. And I know Kuyu has a lot of merino wool. And Under Armour, which is what I'm wearing right now, they have a bunch of merino wool stuff too, right? Yeah, they've got a ton of different styles. Yeah, merino wool is like, it's big with the hiking crowd and outdoorsmen and

backpackers and stuff wool has an amazing characteristics there's a lot of cool stories about wool people that were on like plane crashes or shipwrecks and the only ones that survived at sea were the ones that had wool everyone else would die of hypothermia when we um i was with a company that did some merino wool started a line of merino wool so we brought in a lot of specialists from new zealand that actually showed us the different kinds of merino wool and stuff and then that's when you started to learn a lot about the stories of merino wool and a lot of there's a ton of survivor stories with people that would wear wool versus trying to wear other types of synthetics.

And obviously that was an extreme case. So it was pretty interesting. That's fascinating. Another thing about it is, for whatever reason, it doesn't stink. I've been wearing wool socks. I always wear wool socks when I do any type of hunting or hiking or anything where i know my feet are going to be sweaty it makes such a big difference you take off your socks doesn't even smell like you wore them it doesn't make any sense whereas if i wear

cotton socks it smells like someone died in my shoes it smells like there's a goddamn ecotastrophe going on inside my nikes it's it's horrible the smell like if you work out all day and you keep your your socks on they just sweat and then fester and the bacteria grows there's some natural antimicrobial properties of uh of merino wool it's awesome stuff very awesome so felt bikes get back to great western expo yeah so looper So Looper tells me that you like the podcast. And he could tell by my face I figured this was another one of the Mike Looper pranks. So I was like, okay. And I said, well, if he wants to hook up, then connect us or whatever.

So we're back at the hotel. And Sharon and I, we went and checked in. We're there maybe two hours. And Mike texts me, he says, Joe and Cam are in the mountain ops booth right now, um, doing a podcast, go by there and say hi to him. And I'm like, oh, really? And he said, yeah. And I'm like, okay. So I literally hung up with him, and I told Sharon, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going over there. I said, I'll guarantee you they're doing a podcast,

and I'm going to go over there and be like, hey, Joe, Mike told me that you wanted to meet me. And then you'd be like, who the F are you? So I just like, Mike's like, did you connect with him? I said, no. And he's like, why not? And I said, well, I didn't believe you. So he was crying wolf too many times, see,

and I didn't take him serious when he was telling the truth. But then you called me out on Twitter, which I wasn't really a Twitter guy. I think you sent me something or you said something. I think I just said how much your podcast is awesome. Yeah, and I got blasted by all my friends. Oh, my God, Joe Rogan is talking about your podcast. It's just very rare that someone specializes in something to the extreme that you do with archery. Where you don't even, like, when I do a podcast, like in this podcast is a perfect example.

Like many times during this podcast, I've had to say, well, for people who don't know, that means this. Or for people who haven't heard that, that's it. You don't even bother doing that. You start talking about AC-10s and different cams. Should I? ZXK. No no you shouldn't because what you're doing is you're you are it's a hardcore archery podcast and it is you know catch up if you can stay with it if you can but you go deep deep deep into all of the variables of archery. And for me, it makes me understand and appreciate. I still, I mean, I've been shooting bows for a few years now

and really hardcore for most of the time, like really into it most of the time. Still, there's a lot of shit you talk about when I don't know what the fuck you're saying. Because it's just, it's so detailed. There's so much going on. But also, because you were a very successful target archer, which is, of course, you see it on television in the Olympics and all this different stuff. Target archery, which is almost as specialized and weird in its own way as hunting, as bow hunting is.

Yeah. Target archery, you learn so much about the sport, one. You really start to have to learn your equipment. And then for me, I really learned a whole new aspect of just competitiveness, preparation, diet, how to travel, how to travel how to travel smart um because it's it's a huge investment to go to tournaments across the world you know you look at some of those over there you know from poland or sweden or what was the biggest tournament that you won i don't know. They're all different. They're all different. I don't think any one of them. I always liked winning the team rounds the best.

I always loved shooting team rounds. I got really pumped up with that. I don't really remember very many of them. I do remember, but I don't. See what's what I was trying to get to, and this segues into it. I started shooting competitive archery to be a better bow hunter. That's the only reason I competed, because I was in the same mental state as what you were of, okay, if I'm going to go out and do this, I want to know that if I've got one shot, I want to make sure that it's right. I want to know that if I've got one shot, I want to make sure that it's right.

Because when I started, I was never taught properly. I was just, we hunted a lot for our family's food. I was down in Mississippi when I was younger, where I lived. And I made a lot of mistakes. I would miss a lot and just, you know, I was self-taught. I think I was with a lot of people that just that just like you know they'd pick it up and just try to do it and you spend a lot of time sitting and waiting for an opportunity and then when you blow it it's extremely frustrating so I just decided to start shooting competitive archery and I ended up shooting one little tournament and then all of a sudden I realized wait a minute this is what's like gonna make me a really good bow hunter if because when

I shot my first tournament it made me realize how bad of a hunter I was from a point of being able to make a shot so I'm like I have to get better at this because if I'm gonna be hunting and I'm gonna be spending that much time for an opportunity I have to be able to seize the moment. And the reason I left the U.S. team was because that year, when they posted the schedule, the World Cup final was at the end of September. And so I knew that September would be training, and then we'd have to fly mid-September so if I wasn't willing to commit to go to the World Cup final then I wasn't I couldn't stay on the team so I that was elk season I mean and that's actually what I said I just told them, I said, listen, I do not shoot tournaments between September and December.

That's it. And I said, I won't be doing that tournament if that's what it is. And then they just said, well, you're not going to be able to stay on the team. And I just said, okay. And that was it. They don't get it. They never heard. And you see that thousand pound forest horse with swords coming out of its head running over the top of the hill.

Until you've seen a bugling elk in the rut just foaming at the mouth and jizzing all over himself. Literally jizzing all over himself. And this massive majestic beast that looks like it's like in the lord of the rings or something i mean it really is there was a someone put something up on twitter and i thought it was really interesting because it was from the perspective of uh someone who's a complete non-hunter and it was uh it was just a bugling elk screaming and they were like the most insane sounds that elk make when they bugle. And the comments were like, whoa, this thing is like some mythical beast.

Because somebody caught a really cool, like, you know, elk-like people, they have different voices. And some elk have just badass voices. Especially those herd bulls. badass voices yeah especially those herd bulls like the way elk works folks if you don't know there will be like when i was elk hunting recently uh last month cam and i found this one bull that at the ranch they were calling the sword bull because he had just these crazy long beams growing out of uh the side of his head It was like a really odd, sometimes you get odd shaped beams that grow out of these animals' heads. And he was

the stud of the ranch. And there was like, he had at least 12 chicks with him. 12 female cows. And that's a pretty small harem. Following him everywhere. That's a pretty small harem. Well, for a herd bull i guess but

it was watching watching all those little satellite bulls hang around this guy there's like a few like hey girls i'm pretty cool too he's like shut up yeah and then he would run them off was he a groaner he was a scream of that sound that they make. Yeah, I know. Some of them, once they get blown out, they just get to the point where they're like, it's like a bullfrog, like a real old one. They can't really bugle anymore, so they're just like, and it sounds terrible.

But you know, everyone calls them like groaners. And if you're an elk hunter, when you hear a real blown out bugle like that, you know it's probably a super old bull. Have you ever seen an Irish elk? No, what is that? You haven't? No, what is it? They're extinct now.

Check this out, dude. You have to Google this. When did they go extinct? Right here. When did they go extinct? These used to roam the earth right here whoa oh my god they were they were awesome look at that thing is it awesome or what it looks like a combination of a stag and an elk but they're way more massive they're still finding some look at that thing

whoa it's like a moose thing. Yeah. It's an Irish elk. You need to look them up. They're amazing. When did they die off? I think it's the 20th century. No kidding. Wow. Let's see.

Wait. Let's look at it right here. Most remains of Irish elk date date between 11 750 before present so definitely not the 20th century i wonder why they died off that's interesting i don't know there was a enormous um eagle that used to live in new zealand um I'm trying to remember the name of it. Google Enormous Eagle in New Zealand. God, I'm trying to remember. Enormous Eagle, New Zealand.

Because they'll give you a harpy eagle, which is the biggest eagle that exists today. You know, you can just go like that and then like that. Oh. You hit that down. Haast eagle. That's it. That was the biggest eagle ever. And they were so big they would eat people.

What? 510 pounds. Are you kidding me? Yeah, they had a 10-foot wingspan. Look at that freaking thing. Dude, 510-pound eagle with a 10-foot wingspan wingspan hello that's straight out of harry potter dude yeah amazing and uh they were so big and so powerful and new zealand um if you don't know does not have a lot of indigenous mammals new zealand was uh really shut off from the rest of the world.

Yeah, it's called H-A-A-S-T Eagle. It was new. And I believe they went extinct in the 1400s. Is that what it says? What does it say? Yeah, 1400. And the reason why they went extinct, they were hunted to extinction by the first Maori. But that is a little bit controversial.

Some people think that it wasn't necessarily that, but that the Maori ate everything that they ate and they didn't have any food left. But there were a lot of accounts by the Maori of them eating people. Oh my God, look at the size of this Irish elk. See, you're not appreciating it. I've seen an actual one that's in a museum. So that says 2.10 meters tall. To the bottom of the hand.

To the bottom, like before the face. Yeah. Why do they measure there? Why don't they measure the top of his head? So that's way bigger than a regular elk. Way bigger. Oh, my God. Way bigger.

That looks like it's several thousand pounds. Look at that picture these people next to it exactly oh my god oh my god folks what it looks like is a bull with long legs and like a moose on steroids antlers wow irish elk aren't they cool see fascinating being back woolly mammoths they need to bring back that thing. And do it on New Zealand so you can hunt it. Make it. You know, that's another.

Like, in New Zealand, it's kind of weird because they don't have hunting tags or seasons for most of their animals. You just go there and fucking go crazy and shoot everything. Because they have no predators. So they have all these undulates. predators so they have all these undulates yeah they have all these undulates all these animals that exist there and unfortunately that's an amazing animal unfortunately a lot of the um that the animals in new zealand are also in these high fence operations so like you'll go over there and you know there'll be you know a few hundred acres or a few thousand acres depending on where you're out in there it's like an old drawing shot an arrow in elk these

like people chasing down with their shitty arrows they barely penetrate look they backstrapped them backstrap yeah look Yeah, look where they hit them. I know. Terrible pick chink. Even the drawing sucks. They didn't even know how to do archery even with a drawing. At least put it in the right spot. You missed. Dude, you missed.

For all the haters out there about this hunting podcast, have we thoroughly enjoyed what we've been eating? Oh, yeah, man. God. So good. really enjoyed our what we've been eating oh yeah man god so good i made a few posts on the yeah we've had we've had elk tenderloins um i've talked to you about hog hunting i'm a big advocate of i love shooting hogs i love shooting gators um we had a ridiculously good pork shoulder today. Incredible. That was your friend Preston made that. Preston made it.

Incredible. How many hours did he cook it for? Slow cooked it for? 17. Something crazy. I mean, it was falling apart as you stick a fork into it. But, yeah, we've been eating wild game. Amazing wild game.

I think wild pig hunting is one thing that almost everybody wants to do. Like even Bill Burr, my friend Bill, who's never expressed any interest in hunting. I give him elk whenever he comes and does my podcast. Like he came last week and I gave him a bunch of elk. And he loves meat. He eats meat. He goes, yeah, I'd go wild pig hunting. I go, really?

He goes, yeah. You want to take me wild pig hunting? I go, fuck yeah, dude. Let's do it., yeah, I'd go wild pig hunting. I go, really? He goes, yeah. You want to take me wild pig hunting? I go, fuck yeah, dude. Let's do it. So I'm going to take a pig hunting. Pig hunting is the one. Like, even my agent. My agent is the, she's the nicest lady.

Shout out to Stacy. She's a sweetheart. And she loves animals. She loves dogs. She rescues dogs. She loves cats. She loves all animals. And when she finds out that i hunt she's like oh

i don't know how i feel about that i go but you eat meat she goes i know she goes you should hunt pigs i go watch because they're ugly i'm like what that's what sharon started out with sharon my wife is from england and she started out um she started out having no interest in hunting herself but then when she started to realize just how many deer there were um she was like we like this is a necessity here and i love for sure well and we were in wisconsin at the time and then she really wanted to do it but like you she said i i don't want to go unless i know i'm totally proficient so she shot for a long time first learned the proper way shot and then she said you know from the hunting aspect i think if i'm gonna like actually hunt i think i want to start with something like maybe ugly like

a like a russian hog or something like a Russian boar, because like those, those boars are there. They overrun certain parts of Florida, like on those sod farmers. We do a lot of hunting on sod farms and, um, we're down there with Osceola Outfitters, Hoppy Kempfer is his name. And it's amazing how good the pig hunting is, but it's also equally amazing at how much destruction they do to his place. I mean, he runs hunts 360 days a year, and there's people shooting them every single day, and there's still just tons.

It's crazy. Well, when you talk about how they breed that's where it gets so shocking when you find out that they can get to full maturity in six months they have a litter and i believe they're only pregnant for six weeks and then they shit out the kids get out of there and then six months later they're having kids of their own and they can do that cycle i think three times a year and they can have a ton i mean they can have a ton of babies and they just keep multiplying over and over and over and over again and unless someone comes along and shoots them there's not enough mountain lions in the world to keep a cap on that they just they're not going to be able to do it pigs are very smart too they're super smart they're super turned to turned in tuned in

their eyesight sucks but their scent their sense of smell is incredible yeah ridiculous yeah they smell you a fucking mile away and like see you dude and they just start running head over the hill they do so much damage to fences too i think this someone told me something like if if they can get their snout into something then they can get their whole body through it like they have that much will so if they can get the snout like into the fence or the fence, they will be through it. They do some crazy damage. They find a way. They're so fucked up that it's the only animal in North America that allow you to hunt from a helicopter with a machine gun. Where in Texas, they're like, go ahead.

That is so Texas. We have a hog problem. What should we texas hey you know we have a hog problem what should we do man you know what i've been thinking i've been thinking about helicopters man helicopters and machine guns like what the fuck are you who let this guy in the meeting man we gotta curb these things i'm thinking nuclear weapons no no no. Okay, okay. How about helicopters? All right. Helicopters. Helicopters and machine guns over nuclear weapons. All agreed? Okay.

Next item on the agenda. So they have this thing called Hella Hunters, and there's an episode of Pigman. There's a show called Pigman, and Pigman just goes around shooting pigs all the time. He got the name Pigman, and he lives in Texas where, again, it has to be done. Texas has millions of pigs. They have so many pigs that Texas opened up a new road. I forget where the road was. They opened up a new road and they had

40 car accidents the first night from people slamming into pigs. That's when you know you've got a fucked up problem. I told you. This episode of Pig Man is called Ap porkalypse now and a porkalypse now is a ted nugent and pig man you can watch it on youtube they get in a fucking helicopter and they shoot 250 pigs in a day and they're flying around and they're just

like a goddamn platoon movie and they're they're hitting these pigs in the head as the pigs are running full clip. And the pigs are flipping head over feet. I mean, it's fucked up. And you know they're not eating those things. Half of them are just going to leave there. No one cares. They just have to do something to try to curb that population. Now, if you did that with lambs oh my gosh or with deer you know or

any normal farm animal we have a hierarchy of animals that will allow people to do that too yeah it is funny that people have that they've got that one thing whereas as soon as you start shooting a deer they're not cool with it or the big one is bears right yeah bears are certainly the biggest that's the big one yeah but again i mean bears it's the same thing if you go where the rivets live up in alberta man black bears are everywhere they have so many bears anywhere in canada they are there's a lot of them tons tons of bears and the only thing stopping their population growth is hunters yep that's it but um so back to this apocalypse now thing the um the like i said the episodes are on twitter but if you need to – it gives you also a good sort –

I don't think you'll ever get it unless you see giant packs of – what do they call it? Litter? What do they call – no. What do they call a pack of pigs? I think pack of pigs sounds pretty good. Pack? You know what they call Aborigines?

You know, Adam Greentree, ourralia he uh he owns a mining company he has a fencing company he does mining right it's involved a lot of mining operations i don't know that part okay but anyway he uh and he employs a bunch of aborigines and so uh he got to know them really well and you know he's he told me some fascinating fascinating stories about their culture and their histories really interesting stuff but one of the things that's crazy is when you call a group you don't call them a tribe they call themselves a mob is that just their terminology for it yeah the terminology is a mob like an aborigine mob obviously it's just a different meaning than the mob yeah not like

the mob like in the mafia like that's just a pack you know um a tribe a group a clan you know they call themselves a mob and he said you'll have they'll have one language and that they speak and then 10 miles over there's another group that has a totally different language and they can't speak each other's language. Kind of like England. Is England like that? Like the dialects. Oh, but they're still speaking English. These people are not speaking...

I think in Africa it's like that, too. You go from tribe to tribe, and it's almost like a completely different dialect. That's probably where the whole Tower of Babel story came from, from the Bible. You know, back when there was not that much travel. When you had to ride a fucking horse to get somewhere. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And they had one.

So it's probably, once you crossed over a mountain range or something like that, those fuckers over there, they were speaking a totally different language. Yeah, like look at Europe. You know, you could just travel a short distance, and you're dealing with completely different languages, totally different culture. Yeah, I was in Sweden doing some coaching with their national team. You can be in Italy, or you can be in France, or you can be in Germany in no time. Like that.

Yeah, I mean, it's a completely different culture, completely different language, completely different people, different food. Different history. It's amazing. And it's all smaller than a segment of the United States. And that's with vehicles. Yeah. So, I mean, imagine.

Before horseback. Yeah, you've been in some of the mountains we've elk hunted in. Would you really want to have to go two or three mountain ranges over just because if you had a cool little house and some running water and a little place to dump and yeah all that stuff you'd be kind of happy right there yeah hey i think i'm just gonna go walk over here and risk hypothermia because i don't have merino wool on how how long did you travel uh for archery i did just i think i think i've done um three passports three full passports with extensions 1.3 million miles i've got flying wow all shooting bows and arrows. Shooting a bow. You know what's crazy? Three years ago, Sharon and I went to, and Harry, our son, went to Mexico for a vacation. And it was the first time I'd ever traveled without a bow case. Whoa. That was Puerto Vallarta? Yeparta yep that's crazy we were down there at

the same time yep that was our that was our return yeah no kidding that was weird i was literally getting i was getting on the plane to go home and you were you were just getting there the same exact time fucking love puerto vallarta oh so awesome i'm going back jack yeah it's a good spot it's a good spot right when this rut's done i'm gonna here's what's gonna happen i'm gonna be sitting in a tree for 13 hours a day for about another 21 days and when that's done i'm gonna sleep for about three days i'm gonna shave this shave this face and I'm going to sling some on it kettlebells around like three or four hours a day.

Get a beach body? Yep. And I'm going to get my PV body going. But no, since I met you you got me hooked on on it and it's totally changed me. Because when I did um in September well I start hunting in October 24 or August 24th when I start I start in Alberta and then I worked my way through

several states and a lot of different tags but I went 30 days with I all I ate was one meal a day. I'd eat a meal at night. But I lived off the TPC packs. I would pack them all in a big one-gallon Ziploc bag. I'd do the TPC packs for morning and evening. I would do three Alpha Brains that I'd put in three different bottles of water throughout the day. One of the Total gut healths. And then I would do two of the Omega bars and two of the Tonka bars. And I lived off that for 30 days.

That's all you ate? Yeah. You ate that for dinner too? That was your dinner? I would normally cook some kind of a dinner at night. But that was what you were eating during the day? Yep. Why did you limit yourself to so little food?

Because I was always in my backpack. Oh, I see. And it was like super portable. It was easy to travel with. So you were doing the hardcore backpack hunting? Not. I mean, it wasn't truly hardcore. It was just, I think if you're hunting, I like to try to get as much rest as I can.

Because if you shoot something, you're up all night. And then a lot of these places I have multiple tags, so I'm right back at it the next day. Like in Alberta, I was there, I think I was there nine days. And I think I did 87 miles on my little Garmin is what I covered on feet. So you burn a lot of calories. And then, you know, obviously Montana is way more rugged than Alberta. I mean, it was some of that stuff. I bet I was, I did half the distance, but I feel like I was probably having to put twice the effort in.

But it totally sustained me when that's pretty hard beating on you, just living out of a backpack really and limited sleep and being in different places. I wish I would have had that when I competed. Well, keeping those neurotransmitters at good levels is so important. It's one of the reasons why if I fly somewhere and I land, I do two things. Two things like right away. Unless I get there at night and I'm tired, I just go to sleep. But one of the first things I do is I do a 30-minute workout. You don't even have to kill yourself.

I just, a minimum of 30 minutes. I like to go to the gym and just get everything going. Just fire up those engines, blow out those pipes, get that blood flowing. And if I don't do that, I don't feel as good. It takes me a day or two to adjust. But if I do do that, and then I have a nice salad or a healthy meal afterwards, I feel great. The other thing is alpha brain. It's so important to me to get those levels of your neurotransmitters high because it's one of the things that affects you the most about jet lag and travel. The sleep pattern is off and your brain chemistry is all funky.

I take new mood and i take um alpha brain new mood's great but alpha brain is imperative i i have to take it if i do a ufc i have to take it you know anytime where my mind has to be fired up for long periods yeah i do notice a difference with it and i i like the peach one that you put in with water um because i i probably i don't enjoy drinking water but i drink a lot throughout the day so having a few of those that i can do throughout the day with some flavoring yeah it tastes good it doesn't have any sugar yeah see i like a little taste but i don't like sugar Sugar would put me off if I tasted it. But yeah, they've been awesome.

And the new moods, I normally take four of those at night with that TPC Night Pack. Does that fuck with your dreams? I love it. I get into some crazy dream modes. Yeah, Alpha Brain does that too. Alpha Brain gives me these bizarre lucid dreams. That's what you told me. So I'm like on,

I do a TPC night. I do. Well, I do. I had a TPC night. Now I'll take four new moods, but then I'll have one of my alpha brains. If I'm at home is when I go to bed.

Whoa. I like that. I like to dream because then I at least feel like I'm getting true deep sleep. It sounds like you're having adventures. Like if you're taking that much, you must be on magical mystery tours every night. Ta-da! A magical mystery tour. Yeah.

I'm glad. I'm glad you got into that. I'm glad you also, I know you did a lot of work with some of those guys down at the Onnit Academy. And you learned a lot of shoulder mobility exercises and shoulder strengthening exercises that I think could be really critical for archers. Archery is – as much as it is about technique and as much as it is about proper form and proper execution, there's also muscle involved. There's also strength involved. And obviously, it's an athletic endeavor. You're dealing with your body.

And I think it's really cool that you're developing like a program of specific things that you feel would benefit archers, give them shoulder stability, range of motion. I know we did some of them yesterday with the club bells, which I find really beneficial for a lot of things. Club bells, and one of the things I like about them is that they're really awkward. What it is is exactly what it sounds like. It's a club. It's an iron club. So there's this long handle, and like it's a club, it's an iron club so there's this long handle

and then there's a lot of mass at the top of the handle it's like a stubby baseball bat made out of cast iron is dang near what it would be a good description I have some longer heavier ones at home that I've really gotten into when I say heavier

I'm only talking about 35 pounds. Yeah. That's all you need. I mean, you don't need that much. We're doing these exercises called shield casts. It's so difficult to do, to take a 35-pound club with all the weight at the end of it so it's weird leverage and then control it, swinging it over the top of your head and then bringing it down with full control of it and pausing it in front of you, I think that's incredible for archery.

And I think it would be incredibly beneficial for stability of your front arm and having the strength to be able to hold your front arm there without any strain or any shaking or weirdness. Yeah, your scapula stability is a huge weakness point in archery. When archers break down, it's normally because of super weak scapular stability muscles. And there's a lot of different movements that they taught me at the Honor to Cat. Because I really wanted to go there to, one, I think since you showed me some of the first moves you showed me with just kettlebells,

I realized this is stuff I'd use every day. I mean, you've been here four days. How often am I picking up that felt bike, putting it in the back of my truck, slinging feed sacks or whatever? Picking up that felt bike, putting it in the back of my truck. Quite a bit. Slinging, you know, picking up. Backpacks. Slinging feed sacks or whatever. I mean, that's like true useful strength and mobility and flexibility. And so all these movements teaches that.

And I really wanted something that. One thing I learned to appreciate when I lived in england with sharon for a long time was you don't have some people just don't have the space to have very much workout equipment with kettlebells and some teams like some of the teams i work with especially with some of the smaller countries they don't have huge budgets but with with kettlebells, that's a minimal investment, and it's a minimal space usage, too. You can take two kettlebells and keep them in a corner. It's not like you got the Total Gym with Chuck Norris hiding in the corner. It's wasting a bunch of space.

And I really wanted to go and, one, learn proper technique and learn different movements and then realize, okay, which ones actually work good for archery or what ones can help archers. And my plan was originally we were going to do some videos, um, with those guys at the audit Academy specific for some archers. Um, but this hunting season has, I've been so busy. I mean, and even right now I'd like to be able to go, but I'm, I'm in no way having time just because I'm trying to get my hunts done, trying to finish the TV show and do all that stuff and time. But it is on the schedule because I think so many people are going to benefit from learning super simple movements that really increase your range like that steel mace I like just because of how much range it teaches you

all the way around you know you're getting so much range in that shoulder joint and you're really having to focus on that scapular stability all the way around and then you even when you come around to the front you know even though it doesn't look like you're doing much if you're doing it properly you're really engaging your core to seat everything down and to bring everything to center. And so much of being stable as an archer is having a solid platform and a solid base. And that core stability is where all that radiates from. If the core is loose or unstable, then obviously everything outside of that is going to be the same way. Yeah, and especially when you consider when you do archery, you're pulling with your back and your scapula is involved in

the drawing of the bow and also in making the bow release, executing the shot. Another exercise that I think is critical for archers is chin-ups. And I think that if I could say one piece of equipment, if you

could only afford one, get a chin-up bar. I think chin-up bars are giant, especially a good one that actually comes off the wall. If you can invest in one, you have the space, and you just get it mounted on some studs in your house. It's so critical. Even the hangs. Yes, the hangs is what I was going to say. First of all, hangs are so good for your shoulders. And there's a bunch of articles and videos.

You can watch the videos on YouTube by some doctors. I was first turned on to this by Steve Maxwell. He told me about this. There was a doctor, this particular doctor. I'm sorry, I forget his name, but I'm sure you can find it really quickly. And he invented this method of hanging and releasing tension and pressure in the shoulder joint because he thinks that a lot of the pain that people suffer from impacted shoulders is really just a function of our our bodies are designed we have essentially

like ancient primate genetics and ancient primate structure. And one thing primates, almost all of them have in common is they swing from things by their arms. They hang by their arms, they swing by their arms and that pulling and stretching and lengthening of that soft tissue and those tendons, that's imperative to both the stability of the shoulder and the alleviation of pain in the range of motion. I've experienced some really great results with hanging from my shoulders. And also from something that I learned from you. Which is hanging from a chin-up bar and then with my arms completely extended, just contracting the scapula. So just contracting and I'll hold that for as long as I can and then I'll release

again. Yeah. So you're almost hanging to the point where you let your shoulders fully extend to where you feel like you're on the verge of letting go of something if you're hanging. But then in that same position, you literally take your shoulder sockets and almost pull them down to your armpits. Without bending your arms. Yeah, you don't bend your arms. You're not using any bicep. There's a video of John doing it online, too. You can find that.

Do you remember the name of your video? I don't know. It was right after I had shoulder surgery. So I know that I wasn't able to do it really well, which was kind of the point, I think. Yeah. You know, I was having to, I just came out of the shoulder surgery, so I was trying to rebuild that strength. I'm trying to see here. But there's a ton of exercises you can do.

Strength training for perfect form in front bow shoulder. It's on Knock on Archery. The Knock on Archery YouTube channel. If you want to look at it. And by the way, that's also an awesome channel for instruction. You want to learn some stuff about archery. And I think that might be one of the things I'd seen from you before I ever met you too. I think that might be one of the things I'd seen from you before I ever met you, too,

is a bunch of little instructional videos that you had put out on the proper way to use releases, on a bunch of different things. That's what I do. I teach. That's what he does, folks. I teach stuff. And I know this sounds crazy, but we're going to end this podcast. Dude, it's only an hour and 45 minutes.

Dude, you only did one podcast. Listen, I'll be back. Just relax. If we tag out tomorrow, maybe John and I will do a fight companion. How about that, you fucks? So that's a big if. I mean, who knows if we tag out. So this one, I'll email this to young Jamie, and hopefully he'll get this up pronto.

And you guys will get it tomorrow. So that's it for now. You can check out John's Instagram page. It's KnockOnTV. The YouTube channel is KnockOnArchery. And all the episodes are up also of your tv show yeah they're all for free on knock on archery as well there you go ladies and gentlemen and if you're interested you're like man i need a hobby pick up archery god damn it and i wish there was a place near me that was uh

a place that taught you know it's it's hard it's hard to find a good archery school. And, I mean, we were talking about that today, about what archery clubs are like in England or in Europe. They're like country clubs where, you know, people go and, like, the way people go to play golf, people go to do archery. And, you know, they appreciate it as a discipline. Yeah, they have memberships and full bars in there. And beautiful facilities. Yeah, all kinds of cool, cool stuff. Yeah, for sure. Anyway, we're exhausted, folks.

We've been doing nothing but waiting all day and getting up early and waiting. Yeah, Joe's trying to have a little R&R here. And we're giving you guys an hour and 45 minute podcast. But that's it. Our eyes are sagging. It must end now. That's it. Because tomorrow we've got to drop the hammer.

So, thanks for tuning in, everybody. Next week, I'm back to a regularly scheduled podcast. I've got a podcast with the great Dave Rubin. And I think that is on Monday. Then Tuesday, we're doing the big Election Day End of the World podcast live from the Comedy Store with Doug Stanhope, Bill Burr, Burt Kreischer, a bunch of other people too. I think Joey Diaz is coming in, Tom Rhodes. Burt Kreischer is on the podcast

On Wednesday And And then the next week I got a lot too Next week I got Shannon the Cannon Briggs let's go champ He'll be on the 14th Yeah that's right fuckers Graham Hancock and Railno Carlson

On the 15th I got a lot of shit going on folks So even though I'm kind of here, I'm here for myself what about us man sometimes I gotta do shit for me that way it's more interesting when I do shit for you

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