The Joe Rogan Experience - #878 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: November 29, 2016

Aubrey Marcus is writer, entrepreneur, and adventurer. He also hosts his own podcast called The Aubrey Marcus Podcast available on Spotify. Check out his new documentary called "AYAHUASCA" available at http://drinkthejungle.com

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Watch this. First of all, when you really get a good, when you look at them from a distance, ah, you little bird, you're little, I'm not worried about you. When you look at them, like, close up like this in this high-resolution photography, you realize, like, how fucking predatory these birds are. Like look, the snake takes a lunge at him. He's like, nah bitch, not today. Snap!

Gets him right on top of the fucking head. And look how he does him in. He smashes his head against the rocks, man. Yeah, when people discovered that dinosaurs were probably birds, that's even more terrifying. I 100% believe it. I've told you the story about my chickens, right?

With feeding the mice. Dude, the whole thing is really bizarre. Because it just shows you how people have these attachments to a certain species for no reason. Steve Rinella talks about it with bears. He calls them charismatic megafauna. There's something about Steve so eloquent. You know, when he's, he's right, though. There's like something about bears that makes them very different in our eyes

than any other animal. And birds, they have these hierarchies. So this hawk flew into my fence. I have a glass fence. Hawk didn't know what the fuck was going on. Bump! KO'd. Jacked.

My daughters rescued the bird. And then they go to the pet store and buy little pinkies, which are these little tiny mice. And they feed them to the hawk. So they feed this little tiny mouse. They decided the mouse is not as important as the hawk. The hawk has to stay alive. Fuck these little baby mice. So they feed the baby important as the hawk. The hawk has to stay alive. Fuck these little baby mice. So they feed the baby mice to the hawk.

He eats all of them but one. My daughter wants to keep it. I say, you can't keep it. It's going to die. It needs to have milk. I'll just feed it to the chickens. So there's a lot of hemming and hawing, a lot of crying. Everybody wants the mouse to stay alive after you just fed 30 of them to this fucking dinosaur.

But it's a majestic hawk. It's a flying monster. And so I bring it into the chicken coop. And I mean, I put that thing on the ground for not even one half of one second and they were tearing it apart and running around with it. It was, they're monsters. Yeah. That rotor and everything just confirmed it.

I have 100% new respect for birds now. Yeah. I think it is interesting how people, but you think about bears, right? And people have loved bears since way, way back before, like teddy bears and stuff, you know, before there was the internet and these different things. There's just certain animals that you have this kinship towards

and certain like sacred animals when you're down in the jungle and different places that always seem to inspire something within mankind. Yeah. And I don't know why it is, but I think I just sort of accept it now. Like I don't feel the same way about bears as I do about deer. Like I think deer are wild and they're cool and I love that they exist, but I have a much more predatory feeling around them than I do around bears. Bears are like this weird thing.

Oh, you can eat them too? You know? Yeah. You know, it's just, it doesn't have the same feeling. And as an animal, there's this insane reality of what they are. This enormous, like, wild dog thing that can kill you. And some of them are just giants. Just gigantic wild dog thing that can kill you. And some of them are just giants, just gigantic wild dog thing that can kill you. And we love them.

I remember sitting in the, obviously we were out there with the bears, just sitting there in the woods and watching them screw around. It's, it's something different for sure. At least, you know, especially too, when they're kind of looking at you, like the connection of looking at the bear and the bear looking at you i think it's different yeah it's different than when a deer looks at you deer looks at you like what the fuck what the fuck are you doing you know exactly and the bear looks at you like hey man yeah that's what it is that's just a different it's like a different whole thought cycle i sometimes think of thoughts

like the small wheel and the big wheel it's almost like bears are just on that slightly bigger wheel like us you know that's what it is right that's got to be a big part of what it is like we almost inherently recognize that they have a level of understanding that's above the undulates you know like there's something about those omnivores there's like a level especially them there's a level of understanding but at the end of the day like if you see how they behave, like that's the thing, especially about grizzly bears that I got out of that Grizzly Man movie. Is they're so almost robotic in their predatory drive and their drive to survive, their survival drive. They're just moving around looking for stuff to eat all the time. Yeah.

They're so big. You have to eat so much when you're that big but the advantage is instead of hiding all of the food that you need for the winter like a squirrel you eat eat and eat and eat and nobody's going to take your food from you because it's your fat it's on your body like the only way to get that fat is to fight the bear and nobody wants to fight the bear so they can survive the winter a whole different way it's just a cool way to to approach it but a bizarre way it's so fascinating when you see all the different methods that nature's figured out to sort of overcome the the obstacles that the environment can throw at you it's animals that can survive i was in the ocean uh recently we're

snorkeling and i'm looking around all these turtles and all these fish, and I'm like, they live here. They fucking live. I mean, I can only stick my head under there for a few seconds. I come up, I got to spray water out of the top of the nozzle. They fucking, there's a living thing surviving in there. Like, life has found a bunch of weird, weird ways to get along. And a bear is one of the weirdest ones. Just get fat as fuck they get big

round and jelly and then they just take a nap like fuck this winter fuck that i'm not stupid bro what am i a moose i'm gonna walk out there and freeze to death like an asshole i'm just gonna sleep like there's the strategy involved in that is so much deeper than the strategy of all the other animals yeah the other animals like that's the big one of the big things with i guess uh deer is they fucking freeze to death man that's how they wind up dying yeah i wonder you wonder as that like evolves that whole hibernation pattern if they're just like taking little naps first when that's developing and then every then one bear like sleeps two weeks and all the other bears like what the fuck that was awesome

they just sleep a little bit longer all the time yeah how the fuck does that take place this is one of those really dumb like people who don't believe in evolution art of arguments you're telling me you're telling me that's not by design come on on, dude. Because somebody posted a video, some guy posted a video, like an animated GIF file of the flat. He was a flat earth guy. And it was just the earth, like a flat plane. It wasn't even high resolution. It was like low resolution.

It was flat. And he was like, show me again the curvature. I'm like, oh, my God, dude. This is crazy. People are fucking crazy yeah well i think that whole people just want to get a leg up you know and everything you're doing you're just trying to edge someone out so if you can believe in flat earth and it actually is flat earth you got a little bit of leg up on everybody else who think this shit's a globe right so they're willing to take that gambit they're willing to take that gambit.

They're willing to place that bet like, fuck it, man. I'm going in on flat earth because if I'm right, then I can say fuck you to everybody else just a little bit. And that's the ego. That is the ego. All you have to do is watch a couple YouTube videos. You'll be convinced. If you don't do anything else other than that, that's the thing.

It's like Jordan Peterson talking about how we could all become a Nazi guard. Like, we could all believe in flat earth if we just stretched our mind a little bit and then a little bit more. Yeah. I mean, maybe all is the wrong word for Nazi guard or flat earth. But I think they could get a lot of us. They could get a lot of us. I've told you the story about those fucking rod things that i thought were real i thought there was rods you ever heard of roswell rods those little they're supposed to

be insects that are flying through the sky so fast you can't even see them and the only way to pick them up with is video cameras the only way to actually see them so they would find them on these videos like oh my god we didn't even notice this at the time and uh they decided that there was these gigantic things that could be you know who knows how many feet long and they're like jellyfish they fly through the air like fucking light speed yeah it's so stupid it turns out what it was is just an artifact when you film things when you film things with shitty old cameras and when they have new cameras see that's the rod see rod. See that thing that looks like a twig. That's what they look like. And some of them you see like way up in the sky. Some of them, it's just a bug that's flying so fast that the

camera can't pick it up right. So the camera makes it look like that, like that last one, Jamie. Yeah. Look at that. See how it looks like it's almost like a jellyfish weaving through the air. It's just a video artifact. Or like a bat with a vapor trail yeah it does that's in that one yeah because that one's in front of the tree but sometimes you see them in the sky so you don't have a site of reference yeah you know you don't have like that one's interesting because it's in front of the tree like the tree is just only you know a few yards away you can tell and if that rod thing's right in front of the tree you can get a guesstimate on how big it is but a lot of the videos of them they had them in the sky,

just flying in the sky. They're like, it's 16 feet long. It's flying the speed of light. I was in Sedona just having lunch. And Sedona is a place where there's some cool shit, and then there's a lot of wacky New Age shit there. And I was listening to this guy just talk about orbs, right? Like these orbs that he was able to capture i've seen those

on film and and i've had orbs in photos and stuff all it is it's like the it's the lens flare effect that creates like i'm not like super into the science of it but i know that i can reproduce it if i create a lens flare and the thing there's going to be an orb somewhere in the picture right right so but the way they were describing it is like this one if you go out at at the right time at dawn in this special place there will be orbs on the ground it's like where they gather i'm like no bitch it's the sun coming up and every time it creates a lens flare on your camera you know it's i would love it if it was that though why such a party pooper wouldn't it be amazing if like you could find balls of light through you around you like little like organisms or life

forms and like if you were more loving they surrounded you and you just had to take a picture of people and tell whether or not oh my god this dude's awesome like the seeds from a wa just kind of like yeah really in the zone they're all just floating all around yeah. Yeah. It'd be amazing. I would deal with that if the only way to see it was a camera. Right? Yeah. I'll tell you, man, Eddie Bravo had one picture once.

It was Eddie Bravo with a bunch of orbs around him, and he had his hands open like this, and the biggest orb was in his hands. And I said, damn. Imagine if we're all just super skeptical and we're ignoring something what if they fucking real oh it's just a camera artifact it's reproducible you can go back okay are you sure well that's i mean it's kind of like once you've done enough ayahuasca and

done enough dmt though then you open yourself up to the possibility that there are things potentially outside of our ability to perceive them. That's Eddie right there. Like, look, it's like he's holding it. It's like you got high enough to see it before it happened. Meanwhile, his girlfriend's spitting on the camera. Trying to get some orbs going.

Like, could you recreate orbs that spit? But look, if you were going to believe in orbs that would be I mean shit that would that'd be the one that I'd go with he's got it in his hand you can see it it's clearly balancing in his Center his love it would be the shit if it was real it's like all these things would be the shit if they were real like there's some UFO videos over Turkey and I saw it I didn't even click I didn't click on it that's how Blase i've gotten about the ufo ordeal i don't i don't believe you anymore i'm not clicking on it yeah but i would love it if it was real wow that's the weird thing about real right you know it's

like when you go see something with such a vivid imagination like especially in like the psychedelic space you see something and then there's that debate, like, is that real? And then if enough people, like if enough people have seen it or enough people believe in it, like dragons, for example, like, are they real or not? Well, they're clearly not in the 3d space, but everybody knows and has emotional reactions to this one being and they come to you in vision. And so what is that? Is the dragon real? Well, what's your definition of real? You know, like, is it the collection of an idea in your brain, all of the lights gathering around that you can share and reproduce?

And then that thing comes through like an archetype into your brain? Like, it's really interesting. Is that what you think dragons are? You think they're archetypes? I think so. I mean, there's so many of them, right? There's the Chinese dragon, the Japanese dragon, the the gothic dragon You know those the medieval look dragon. How many different ones are there?

dragons Infinite dragons slightly slight variations on the dragons. That's that's the thing It's like it's it is an archetypal being I've seen them They've come to me many many times always and it seems to be they're the being of ultimate power like a being of supreme power and that's the archetype that it recommends there's no animal in the animal a hierarchy that trumps the dragon right he shows up everybody shuts the fuck up exactly he comes flying in with fire coming out of his face everybody just settles down yeah a giant flying lizard that can blow fire. Yeah. So it represents that kind of power. My tattoo artist actually had a cool thing.

He's like, I never tattoo a dragon snarling because no dragon would ever need to snarl. Like there's nothing he would, there's nothing a dragon would ever roar at. I gotta check my dragon. He's kind of snarling. You know, cause it is that being of fucking supreme power. snarling you know because it is that being of fucking supreme power it's a strange thing that there's so many different cultures that have sort of captured that and you gotta wonder how many different things are we missing from the fossil record you know and we know if birds exist who knows how many things existed that we just haven't found yet it's entirely possible that some weird fucking lizard

existed at some part of the world and people could see it you know some weird snake thing that walked and then the legend spread of that and then people saw a bunch of different giant lizards like if you saw a komodo dragon if you were just wandering through the jungle and you saw a full-size komodo dragon and had its mouth open you would for sure think you're in the presence of a demon if you ran away from that right no cameras right no cameras you gotta take things from your imagination and draw them for people what are you gonna draw you gonna draw a goddamn demon yeah a hissing giant lizard with saliva coated in botulism. Those are horrible monsters, man. Those are fucking ruthless, ruthless, predatory lizards, giant lizards. And you would draw them.

They would be, they would have wings. I mean, if you were just a primitive person, you ran into one of those things. If you ran into a Nile crocodile, Jesus Christ. I put a video up of one jacking a vulture. Did you see that shit? This vulture fucked up and got too close to this lake.

They jack everything except for the hippo. Dude, dude. Don't see the crocodiles jacking the hippo. No. Hippos are the ultimate jackers. They stay clean. Look how he gets them. Look at this.

He's just boom, bitch, just out of nowhere. Get the fuck out of here. Chicken. Boom. Give me that chicken. Just jumps right back in there with him. Oh, right out of the water. What a creepy animal.

Lives in this place where you can't see it at all. It's brown water. Fucking brown water. And they can hide in three feet of that shit for like hours. They don't have to come up. And they just hear the vibrations. They know where you are. And they just jump up and check you.

I think so much of the way that we developed was to try and avoid that situation our soft bodies you know all of this brain activity that we have so much of it you have to credit towards avoiding that exact fucking monster yeah well hence the like the stereotypes that the stronger the person, the dumber the person. You know? Like, if you have time to make all that muscle, bitch, you ain't got time to read any books. You're not learning. That soft dude over there, he's going to save us.

That dude's over there doing physics and shit. Trying to figure out how to make swords. Your bench press will not help the asteroid collision. Yeah, that's going to be a big one. That was the creepiest podcast we did last week for sure graham hancock and randall carlson freaked me the fuck out again it's too easy to not think it's too easy to just not think about the variables too easy to not pay attention to the fact that we really are just a species that's clinging to a spaceship without a roof that we're just clinging to this circular orb as it spins a thousand miles an hour and hurls through infinitor we're just hanging out

on it and we don't we don't want to think about it it's too crazy yeah the the depressing part of that whole cataclysmic particularly is we're we got all these fucking nuclear reactors everywhere so like one goes off and then those things get all disrupted and then the nuclear radiation is the big issue that you have to worry about right do you see what they did to chernobyl they created a dome that's two football fields long it's gigantic and they're gonna encase the entire enclosure just plop the astrodome of lead on there. Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's huge.

It's a crazy engineering undertaking. If you look at it, you go, what? You just have to imagine what kind of resources and how many brains were involved. Look at this thing. They're going to lift this fucking thing over the dome. It's just enormous. they have these designs for it they show the fully competed thing fully completed what does it say there are 30 countries are involved in this wow yeah yeah i think i mean the key is we got to elevate consciousness to a point

where we're actually looking at these situations and being able and i think that's the point that graham and randall make and i couldn't agree more like people have to be at a level where we can actually do something about that instead of fighting with each other you're 100 right look at that image that's what it's gonna look like they're just gonna drop that down over the site like jesus christ that's big that's so big big. It's so crazy how big it is. Look how thick it is. That's insane. I mean, what the fuck does that weigh?

And the weird part is it just feels to me that it's not fully going to work. It's just like putting a Tupperware over a fart. Are you going to get the whole fart in the Tupperware? I doubt it. I think the fart's out there. Shane Smith went down there, and he was in Chernobyl, and they were hunting these wolves. They're these radioactive wolves. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

That's a Ninja Turtles episode for sure. I know. I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, all these animals that live around that area, they're all radioactive. I'm like, oh my God. It just hulks out and turns green. Well, they probably are experiencing some mutations. There was some viral video that was going around the Internet that was saying that these are fish that lived near Chernobyl.

It showed these just enormous, crazy fish sloughing around this little river. And that was the viral. But apparently that's bullshit. Apparently they're just giant catfish or something like that that just do exist in some spot. They're not radioactive. That is deep in our psyche, though. That idea that radioactive matter is going to turn something into some amorphous new thing. Yeah, and it's always bad, except in comic books, if you're a dude.

If you're a dude, it always works out well. You always become Spider-Man or the Hulk. You just got to pick the animal You go into that radioactive soup with That's true too You gotta get a good deal Like the stretchy guy And the Avengers The Fantastic Four stretchy guy

That's a shit fucking super power That is shit Oh you get to bend And people get to stretch you out like taffy. Oh fucking where do I sign up? You got to go in with a roadrunner for sure Well, he's got a guy next to him that turns into fire like what the fuck I get I just can this guy can turn into fire and fly through the fucking air all I can do is stretch That is the most bullshit superpower of all time

He could stretch. He makes his arms go into circles. He could turn them into a figure eight. Like, what? I don't know. I fought with Dawson in Street Fighter, and his stretchy ability was definitely helpful. Does he have stretchy ability in Street Fighter? Yeah.

He can push both his arms out like that. And they go way in front of you? Smash you in the leg. Just straight double dick punch. And then he's got the foot like a long a long ass front kick take someone out of the sky proud to say i can't name any of the characters in street fighter nor can i tell you what they do i don't know anything about that i played that a couple of times i was like this is oh man that hit me right in the sweet spot i couldn't i couldn't ignore it i was just at that

age you know where you have all the testosterone brewing, but the frustration because you're little and you couldn't beat anybody up. Right. So you just play something in a video game. Then you can beat everybody up if you're that avatar. I wonder how many fights have been started from Street Fighter. Like if there was like a running talent, do you know what I mean? Like McDonald's has how many burgers sold? How many like fights started by a game of Street Fighter? Less than Madden. For sure less than Madden. Probably, right?

Because I see people playing that, and it often ends in fights. Yeah, that should be a whole YouTube channel. Like Madden Street Fights. They should come with some gloves. Dudes fucking love their football, man. I listen to Bill Burr's podcast, and sometimes he'll go like an hour just talking about football. And they fucking told us we couldn't do it. He's just so into it.

Who are they? Who told you? Yeah, us is the funny thing, too, because that's, again, like the identity playing this trick. It's that lust for tribalism that we all have. Like we want to be part of a tribe. Oh, that team is our tribe. And you'll fight for it, and you'll feel shitty about it, we want to be part of a tribe. Oh, that team is our tribe. Yeah. And you'll fight for it, and you'll feel shitty about it,

and you'll feel elated about it. I mean, it makes the games interesting, but it also opens you up to a weird spectrum of emotion. Yeah, that kind of pride for your neighborhood, for your town, for your state, all that gets weird. Yeah. Until you get to America. That's where we cross the fucking line, boy.

America, you better be proud. Better be proud from here. Donald Trump says he's going to put people in jail for a year if they burn the flag. Here's what's hilarious. Hillary Clinton proposed this in 2005. I didn't know that. Somebody tweeted that to me on Twitter. I think they're having an affair.

They've probably been banging it out the whole time. So either way, we win. That's what's been going on. All those little shitty little catty remarks. That's what lovers say to each other. That's exactly right. When they're getting nasty with each other. And then they'll make out later. Give it to me, you fucking

deplorable. Deplorable. A basket with a bucket of deplorables? What was it? People just jumped on it they've been the worst at like creating like memes and stuff and like the worst at coming up they were the worst at like coming up with like campaign thoughts you know there was just too too many things going on with that election where it was just like, wow, you guys are not that good at this. Like this I'm with her. Don't say I'm with her.

Don't say that's Jesus Christ. How obvious are we making it? We're just voting for a check. Like how obvious? Well, it's more than that. It's more than that. Man, this everything is getting squirrely. Man, everything is getting squirrely.

And I think one of the most brilliant parts of Jordan Peterson's podcast yesterday was that he identified in his mind, and I tend to agree with him, that one of the reasons why things are getting so squirrely is we've removed the metaphysical underpinnings behind our understandings of everything. Yeah. And so like all of this social justice and all these pronouns, I think a lot of that is that we've removed the metaphysical understanding of self. And so if you really don't understand who your self is, then you really can't have self-love, self-worth, self-confidence because it's all built on something else. And that surrogate for self that they create is identity, who you are, what pronoun you are, what, you know, what tribe you identify with, what you do, what your race is. And then all of these parts of identity, which really have absolutely nothing to do with self in the metaphysical sense, become the thing that you defend. You defend that thing as if it is yourself, but it's not. And I think that's, you know, one of the paths that I've taken is to understand those

metaphysical underpinnings like understand what the self is rather than just trying to work on self-worth and self-confidence and self-love well you got to fucking first understand the self he was a deep dude man that the stuff that he was saying about religion about the need for this understanding of good and evil and how it plays out and to stay on that balance of good and evil and to live, you know, what he was talking about, a true life. Really fascinating because it was one of those things where he's thinking at an extremely high level.

And so when you're following him, you have to be sure you're, am I following him? Am I really getting what he's saying here. You know, cause he's talking about being someone who hates ideologies, but he's a very religious man. I think really the most confusing part of what he was saying was the use of the word religion because a little bit like Daniele in his book, create your own religion. He's clearly created his variation of religion that allows him to use that word. But for most people, the colloquial understanding of religion is much, much different. And I think it was confusing.

I think he would probably benefit from maybe looking at that word and seeing if it's conveying what he actually means. I think you're right, but I think I understood what he was saying, and I think he definitely understood what he was saying. The problem is he's looking at it in terms of that these archetypal stories are integral to being a human 100 and that they've been a part of our life for so long that this recent jettison that our society has taken away from it you know we've sort of launched ourselves away and become more and more cynical about our roots and our understanding of who we are in this world and like what is important and what is

bullshit, you know, and that's all great. I think that's super important. And that's, that's what human beings are here for. We're here to be curious. But one of the things that I think people really do really well with is structure. And when people don't have a structure, like a reason to behave in an ethical and kind way or a better to strive for, they struggle without a structure. And without truth as the bedrock. Like truth forms the bedrock. And I think that's what he really meant about these religious truths as compared to scientific truths, these, these true understandings that form the bedrock that you can build everything else off of. Like, again, going back to self, like what is the self? Well, when you look deeper and deeper, it's, it's none, nothing but, you know, the embodied

consciousness, you know, the consciousness within us. And then when you understand that your consciousness, then you can ditch all of these other things that you're trying to pile on top of and make it so important, like all of these identity things. But you have to get to at least where my metaphysical understanding is that the self is consciousness embodied in this awesome meat vehicle we get to play around with and experience life and interact with each other and taste things and fight things and fuck things. it's amazing but ultimately you know we're just that that spark of consciousness yeah who the fuck knows yeah but what he was saying was cool because what he was saying it was when peterson was talking about it was in this different level of understanding i

think and he's so incredibly well read no doubt I really like what he was saying too about, you know, how, and one of the, one of the metaphysical understandings that I have, I mean, I think you arrive at it from different ways. I think religion can obviously be a great vehicle to help you arrive at that. You can do it through philosophy. You can do it through experience. And I've kind of gone mostly through that experience route with the different plant medicines and things. And you arrive at, at these different truths and that idea that you reconcile the darkness within you, that thing inside yourself that is inherently has all the capacity for evil that was brought to me in, in like in a psychedelic experience where I was going

in and I realized that I myself was all the darkness and all the light. I was good and bad arrayed on a spectrum and was capable of doing every good thing and every bad thing. And it was the most horrifying experience I've ever had. Like recognizing that I was all of those things, but the only thing that made it, that decided who I was, was choice. And then that choice was enough. But you had to first reconcile the capability of being everything before you can layer on that element of, all right, I am everything, but I choose to be this. I choose truth. I choose love. I choose to have faith against the fear. And that's, you know, that's ultimately then who you are. But going down into those subterranean

depths and realizing that we all have fucked up thoughts you know we're all a little bit off here or there and i think it's super important to reconcile just like watching that fucking roadrunner jack that snake we're animals we're living organisms and we're living organisms that are aware of this crazy sea of genes that we live in. This sea of fucking cells competing for survival. In these weird forms. With these weird rules. And we're in that.

But we're, as far as we know, we're the only ones that are aware that we're in it. Unless dolphins are aware. They could be aware. You've ever heard of something called a false killer whale? Mm-mm. Dudei this week we did a little fishing with the kids had a great time and we're on this boat and this guy steve who's on the boat with me uh who's one of the guys working on the boat told me that they had a run-in with these false killer whales where they were pulling in these 50 pound tunas and this fucking gigantic 20 foot long thing that thing you ever seen one of those no what the fuck dude how did i not know that that existed this crazy looking weird whale thing with giant ass teeth and they call them false killer

whales um i don't know i guess it's like some sort of a dolphin subspecies or something. So this, which a killer whale is too. They're all cousins, I guess. But this thing snacked this fucking 50-pound tuna right off the hook, just ripped it off in front of him while he was pulling it in. And so they said, oh, Jesus Christ, these things are going to find it. Let's get out of here. We'll go somewhere else.

They went five miles away. These fucking things followed them five miles and jacked two more fish. Wild. Wild world out there. This weekend I had a porpoise steal a tuna from me. We were catching these little amberjack tunas. They're not that big. Like a big one is like 20 pounds.

It's like as big as they get. They're like mostly like 10 pounds. But they're really tasty. Anyway, we're catching these things and I'm pulling them in and he's going crazy. This thing's going crazy. And the skipper says there's probably a porpoise chasing it. I'm like, no fucking way. He's like, yeah, they do it all the time. They grow going around this there's this one area where these uh these tunas live skipjacks that's what they're called not amberjacks skipjack tunas and this one area where they populate these fucking dolphins have grown up to know that they can hang around those boats and they wait until someone catches one and then when they're

fighting it can't move very quick so they swim up to it while it's on the line, and they just jack them. And he jacked it right in front of me. Right in front of me. I'm like, no fucking way. And I see this dark shadow underneath the water come near this flashing fish. I hear this yank, this crazy tug, and then the line goes limp. Thanks for making it easy for me. And I'm like, whoa, this porpoise just jacked that tuna right in front of me.

Seals do that with the Chinook salmon out in British Columbia, too. Oh, do they? Yeah, they pull your salmon off the line. They're smart. I mean, they figured out that if your line is taut, the fish ain't moving anywhere. It's fighting. It's trying to go this way. The drag and the reel, that's like easy one to get.

Yeah, and you never hook those animals, too. They're too smart for that. They're like, he's hooked them before. Oh, really? They said he hooked them before. I didn't know that. They accidentally had he's hooked them before. Oh, really? They said he hooked them before. I didn't know that. They accidentally had snagged one before. Oh, like body snagged?

Like foul hooked it? Yeah. Mm-hmm. It got body snagged. But like a dolphin, a dolphin will eat your fish, too. But you don't see people, they'll get caught in nets. They just can't see them. But you don't see them get caught in those hooks.

Yeah, they never get, that was one of my bits. That if people lived in the water, you'd catch them all day. Like there's a difference between dolphins and people. It's like they eat fish, but we don't catch them when you go fishing. It's kind of crazy. But the guy said that they had to pull one in. I forget what the circumstances were, but it got foul hooked, and they had to pull it in and release the hook. Yeah, that's a bummer.

And be really careful with it. Yeah. Bummer. Yeah. Going back to what you're saying though about the self being this like collection of cells i think that's really kind of interesting because the self is so many different cells that are kind of sending competing signals to the brain all of them trying to almost vie for their own survival and then the brain puts out like a prime

directive of what the things that are best for that. But now that we're understanding so much of our gut biome and how much that contributes to the self, it contributes, you know, neurotransmitter production, immune cell production. But every time we shit, we drop a bunch of that gut biome into the toilet. I mean, it's, it's going to feed on the, on the feces and then we drop it in there. So it's like our self is changing, you know, every time we take a dump, like that collection of things that we call self, which are some pathogenic organisms, some helpful organisms, some skin cells, all of it's contributing to self, all of it's contributing messages to the brain and it's changing at all the time. And I think that's why people, when they go looking for the self, it's so squirrely because what is the self? I mean, it changes every single day. You're a different

self when you're angry or happy or mad or in love as when you're inspired or after a workout, you're a different self than when you start. We're just this amalgamation, but it's almost an ideology of self to call it one thing and to call it, oh, this is me. Yeah. We're really, we're just this a lot more nebulous than that. And that's why people get confused and they want to cling to something concrete and ideology. Ah, self, here I am, I am.

Well, you got a vague idea of who you are. Yeah. Like you kind of know, you know a neighborhood. Ah, I've been down this road. I know this road. But you know, you can go down a bad road one day, you know?

Go down to someone towed your car and they weren't supposed to road. And you're like, Oh, I don't even know this dude. There's, there's weird parts of you that come out and weird altercations or weird moments of vulnerability that you go, wow. I didn't even know that person was in there. Yeah. Like just looking at even as much as i think about it i'll still get stuck in weird self-land like this past saturday i don't know what what it was all the thanksgiving from like noon to 7 p.m on saturday i was a cunt i was the worst i was the worst i mean i think i didn't even want to hang out with myself like and then i just at some point at like around seven o'clock i was like oh my god like what is

going on were you did you eat too much shitty food maybe yeah i don't know what it is i don't want to make excuses i just you know it was the my male menstrual cycle moment it was just in what way were you like uh short with people were you just like you just didn't want to be around everything yeah everything was like such a big deal. It's not a big deal. You know, like whatever little thing came up was like a life-ending, life-shattering thing. And it was this weird understanding. And then it lifted like a fog, like just like when the clouds move and the sun pierces through. And I was like, what the hell was that? So that self is a slightly different self than the self that came after it, the self that's here now, the self on a cup of coffee versus that.

And so I think, you know, it's just we try to oversimplify that when really we're so much more than what we are. And there aren't boundaries, this idea that you can contain everything. This is me. This is not me. I think really doesn't make a lot of sense. There's got to be some techniques to making yourself more positive all the time. Like, I think that's one of the things about the Wim Hof breathing that I really like is that when you, when you're doing any kind of breathing exercise,

I think any, like even, uh, the beginning of Bikram yoga, when you do that crazy breathing, and then your neck goes back. I think what that really makes you do is concentrate on the moment and it releases excess tension to the point where you have a better ability to be yourself. Totally. I think there's a lot of burdens that we don't recognize that cling to us and we're carrying them around and we don't realize it until we get them free. And then we go, oh, I needed to go run. And then we go, oh, I just, I needed to go run. You know, like there's sometimes you just go, oh, I just needed a lift.

I need to do something. Now nothing's bothering me. Like the same world exists, but 45 minutes of rigorous exercise and you don't give a fuck about it anymore. And this thing that was this overwhelming moment in your life, like it's all a matter of perspective. Mm-hmm. moment in your life, like it's all a matter of perspective. And the best perspective that I find is when I can tap into that consciousness element, what you can call it, your people call it your

higher self, whatever, there's a billion names for it, but it's the best version of yourself, you know, like who you are at your very, very best when you're filled with the most love and the most peace and the most like inner just contentment and satisfaction, like your best self. And then when you can find ways to access that, I think absolutely right. Yoga, breathing, flotation, you know, nature, flow state, all of these ways are ways to tap into that best self, which is usually, you know, anchored in the present moment and is you at your very best. And from that vantage point, you is usually, you know, anchored in the present moment and is you at your very best. And from that vantage point, you see the obstacles laid out in front of you and maybe

they don't go away, but maybe you can look at them, you know, as you should, like an advantage, an opportunity to grow stronger, you know? Yeah. Just perspective. I think they're, I think all those things, including marijuana and a lot of other psychedelic compounds, they're perspective enhancers. And I think that's what they're here for. We just, we equate them with the negative aspects. We know that some drugs have on people. So we know that, you know, sometimes they can be bad, but I feel that same way about religion. And I feel that same way about government. I feel that same way about a lot of things. Just because certain aspects of it are fucked, it doesn't mean it doesn't have some massive benefits for us.

Like, even, look, you could call it, like, religion in a lot of ways is like Bill Cosby, okay? Because Bill Cosby did some horrible shit, some horrible shit, most likely, right? But he made a lot of fucking people laugh. Yeah. Right? Just a lot of people. If you looked at the number of victims versus the number of people that benefited from it

him you'd go wow what a complex situation this is you have this monster who also is doing amazing work yeah like he's making people so happy everywhere and he's enforcing this like really positive way of behaving and thinking for people like you could never imagine yourself swearing around Bill Cosby you know he was this upstanding PhD guy I think in a lot of ways that's the same way about religion like if it wasn't for religion and I'm not an advocate of religion currently like to use it currently in the same form that everybody's using it but I'm just saying if you looked at like humankind as a whole if it wasn't for believing that we had these crazy rules then we had to do good otherwise the deity would come and strike us down if it wasn't

like the fear literal literal fear of god that kept people from just raping and pillaging and doing whatever the fuck they wanted to who knows how much longer it would have taken us to get to the place where you can fight over gender pronouns. Yeah. Right. It's, it's almost like a system that may at some point have been necessary. Yeah. We don't know the people. We weren't around the people 3000 years ago.

We don't know what they would have done without the threat and that fear of God. Cause there was no DNA evidence. There was no, you know, inspectors and detectives. So maybe it was necessary, but clearly now the dogma that's surrounding it is an impediment to our happiness and impediment to, you know, the better truths that are going to hopefully make this world, you know, a more positive place for everybody. Well, I think you nailed it when you said like a program because I think that's really what it is. It's almost like a program that human beings sort of manifested

to travel to the next stage of development. Like, look, we're just not going to get here tooth, fang, and claw. It ain't going to work, boys, okay? You know, we've got agriculture, but we're still behaving like monsters. And they had to just figure out things to worship, things to love, things to cherish, things to believe in. And then they pass these things down as like this higher daddy, this higher daddy thing. Cause that's what it is, man.

The problem is a couple of people got it, saw that, jacked it, and then manipulated it for their own power. Oh, to talk to God. Yeah, exactly. I mean that whole move of, all right, you, you can't talk to God to talk to God. You got to that whole move of all right you you can't talk to god to talk to god you got to come see me and you got to build me a big house and you got to pay me every year and then i'll translate that message you know to the divine on your behalf thank you very much my favorite version that has you ever see the dude who took pictures of himself in heaven no that's awesome he fucking he went to heaven. He passed there. He came back. He had a suit on and a white background.

A white background. And he said he was in heaven. He took photos and he put them up on Instagram. Oh, yeah. That's good. And he was selling the photos. He was selling the photos of him in heaven. Yeah.

Come on, son. Well, I think in order for that to work for people, you have to break the brain early. And I think you break the brain by saying something like, fear God. Look at this. Amazing. I thought it was all white, man. Why does it have like a rainbow hue to it? Is that the same photo?

Hmm, that's weird. I could have sworn. It might be another person. No, it's the same guy. It's definitely the same guy. And that's weird. I could have sworn. It might be another person. No, it's the same guy. It's definitely the same guy, and that's the same photo. But the image looked, yeah, see, in that image, it was white. In some images, it was white. I think somebody added something to that photo.

I think they put, like, the sun rays and shit. That's the one. See the one above him with the suit? Not that one, right there. It kept going to the second row. Yeah, there you go. Click on that one. That's the one. See the one above him with the suit? Not that one. Right there. Kept going. The second row. Second row. Yeah, there you go. Click on that one. That was the image. It was just him with a white background.

He said, yo, I'm in heaven, dog. Jesus loves you, bro. Jesus loves you. I'm telling you, man. And he was selling these photos. Slick suit, though. I like his suit what's that ruffle shirt what does it say what he saw will burn your heart what yeah i don't know what he saw

will burn your heart i don't want my heart burned i think it's burning your heart it's good the way it is imagine if there was a heaven and we were just talking shit imagine if like one day the space shuttle takes the wrong turn and it's on its way up into orbit and it just pops through this little hole like oh shit we're in heaven damn in heaven oh my god and they get out take their head gear off they can breathe there's angels hanging around up there it's like you know i think it's just people have made that wrong turn like jordan Peterson was saying, of taking these things as literal when they should be metaphysical. Like we all have the ability to create heaven and hell in our own life, which is a point eloquently made. And then, you know, when we are pure consciousness, what I've experienced, at least from from all these psychedelic experiences, when you when the body disappears and becomes less prominent in your thinking, you are what's seemingly just pure consciousness.

You know, there's also that opportunity there for heaven to embrace all of the love. And then there's also the opportunity to look back on your life like, what the fuck? You know, I really, I made these choices that hurt these people. And that is this almost hell, you know, so, so hell and heaven is again, you know, as above, so below, it's just a mental state, you know, and that could be the same, very same mental state that we go across. But instead we tried to make it concrete. We tried to, you know, Salvador Bosch, you know, tried to create all of these horrible things of things biting you and burning you and eviscerating your genitals and prying you apart when all of that is really a metaphor for what's happening in your mind you know not an actual place yeah like the mind of dick cheney yeah like how does dick cheney go to sleep without pills you know what kind of what kind of dreams is that guy have right now and what happens when he's liberated from you know from all of the rationalizations

you know like when when all of those things disappear like like you know you get in the float tank and you see all these things that have allowed you to think a certain way and then you go floating and then all of those structures go apart and you look at that thing you did and go huh was that cool was that douchey you know like? But he's never had that moment. He's never stopped the hamster wheel long enough to get still, to be able to look at his life from his higher self and be like, whoa, what am I doing? Look at all this momentum. Look at all the software viruses that my open source consciousness has picked up along the way.

These different fears, these different greeds, these lusts for power, these different things that have created this thing that's never stopped. And the momentum's never gotten quiet enough for them to really analyze it. Dude, they kept that guy alive with somebody else's heart. They cut him open and put another dude's heart inside of him. That is fucking crazy to think that human beings can do that. We could fix, they could take out your lungs man they can replace your lungs with someone else's lungs i think that's all helpful to thinking about it because the more we lose that attachment to this body as being like anything but the machine the machine that's going to allow us to experience consciousness in the physical form i think when

we really look at that then that's going to be a helpful kind of metaphysical underpinning so we're not so you know caught up in these in these elements that are causing us so much discomfort and suffering right we're not trapped yeah in this idea what we are yeah but like isn't it inevitable if they if they come up with bionic eyes they let you stare at the sun you can watch netflix on them and they're way better than regular eyes and they give them to people who lose their eyes first and then people start going scoop these fucking shitty bitches out give me some of them good eyes yeah and you get them good eyes and you start i mean everybody has the good eyes you just walk around look at each other you wink you know you know i got the good eyes you got the good you can see each other you can fucking read sports scores flying in the sky it's the hardware upgrade yeah an upgrade you can have

binocular vision you can decide to zoom in on things far off into the distance why wouldn't you do that what do you like seeing out of your shitty old fucking bloodshot eyes yeah bitch ass eyes yeah you upgrade the hardware and then we just got to make sure that we're upgrading the software and eliminating the viruses running those system checks to get all of these bad programs out of our head get the better metaphysical truth programs like like the platinum rule like you know you everybody is you living a different life treat them as such you know like get everybody is you living a different life. Treat them as such. You know, like get some of these other software programs running, discard the old ones, then upgrade the hardware all you want. And but both have to kind of come in conjunction.

Otherwise, we'll do what we did with technology elevating faster than consciousness. Technology elevates faster than consciousness. And we just fuck each other up better. Yeah, we definitely do that. I think also technology is just it's just trying to get us more and more addicted to it i was thinking of this the other day and i was flying back from hawaii i was thinking of how many people i see stare at a phone at the airport at the fucking mall at a restaurant myself i'm staring at my own phone i mean i'm not immune to it we're all staring at fucking phones and i'm like if i was a pilgrim if you took took you went back in a time

machine you grabbed a pilgrim and you dragged them to 2016 and you said what are you saying they'd be like my god they're all they're all prisoners to the looking glass they've been captured like they were like it's like they're under a spell. They're under a spell. They stare at a fucking glass screen first thing in the morning. They check their email. They go to work. They stare at a screen.

They look at their navigation system while they're fucking driving to work. They get home. They watch TV before they go to bed. They check their email again. They're just staring at fucking screens. They're living their lives through screens. I would think the looking glass, it's captivating them. I would think they were under the spell of glass.

Like there was something about, something behind, they're not moving. They're just sitting there in front of this fucking thing all day. There's almost no movement. Almost all the time, you're in front of a screen, you're just sitting there. Yeah. If you saw that and you had no idea what the fuck a television was or a phone, you were just a person from another time period, and you said, what do you think's going on?

Like, well, these fucking people are under a spell. They're clearly under a spell. Like, it's giving them something, yeah, but that's what a spell is. I mean, when the fucking, when the hypnotic dancer dances in front of you and then all of a sudden you don't even know where you are anymore. It's because you're looking at something cool. You're at the strip club when that happens. Yeah, exactly.

By the way, you don't know where you are. Yeah, you ate the edible that Joey Diaz gave you that was mislabeled on purpose. This is what you're seeing. You're seeing something amazing and that amazing thing is making you want more of it. And that amazing thing is making you want more of it. So you're spending more money to get a better computer, to make better explosions on the bigger screen that has the better sound. And it keeps going deeper and deeper. And every fucking new phone has some new way to get you excited.

And you're staring at the newest and best screen. And you're just locked into this sort of hypnotic trance of technology oh it'll allow well it allows you to bluetooth with your navigation system it syncs up to your car and like you're still staring at a fucking screen and not doing anything yeah it doesn't matter what's happening the same effect is taking place you're staring at a screen i think what's what's interesting to me is I think we're in this intermediary stage where we're watching this rapid advancement and things are getting more and more interesting. But I think there's going to be a tipping point where technology is so ubiquitous that it'll kind of settle into our lives in a better way. And maybe some people will get completely lost. But I think a lot of us are already reaching that point where it's almost too much. And it's forcing us to make our own boundaries, put our phone down, you know, this idea of put your phone away on this retreat.

There's no phones here. We're starting to develop the counter reaction to it, but it has to get to the point of ridiculous in order for us to do, you know, have this kind of counter reaction. I think that's the way it's going. I think that's like using Fred Flintstone's brakes on a Formula One car. Good luck. We're going to put our phone away for a whole hour. It's just sitting there in your bag calling you. Oh, Bree.

Come touch us again. My precious. My precious. The only hope that I have for that philosophy i was espousing is i like i learned i thought of something at burning man and at burning man oh shit at burning man there was it's so much shit like you have no i you can't even fathom how many lit up amazingly beautiful fire breathing art creations dancing people half naked people fully naked people orgy tents this crazy amalgamation i mean i was in this

like thunderdome they rebuilt the thunderdome basically and they had people on bungee cords and two topless chicks were smashing into each other on bungee cords beating each other with foam sabers as like house music played behind and a fucking fire breathing dragon car like rode by breathing fire. Like that is ridiculous. Sounds awesome. It's ridiculous. Yeah. After you've been there for a while, like you realize the times that you enjoy the most are getting high with your homies in the RV.

You know, like that's the absolute best time you have a Burning Man and those like just laughing and hanging, drinking a beer in the RV. Don't you think that's enhanced though by the chaotic environment and the fact that you have this crazy feeling like, wow, we're here. We're here. For sure. Because that's kind of what goes on at a place like that, right? It's like, wow, we're here.

Yeah. Yeah, all of it contributes. But then just realizing like we can do that RV moment anywhere like you don't need to be in Burning Man you don't that is the most special shit like the most special shit is the simple shit so you can take all this technology does all this awesome stuff but it's never gonna beat like that hike or that time you're hanging and playing with your kids or that time you went fishing or that time it's never gonna beat that time you're hanging and playing with your kids or that time you went fishing or that time.

It's never going to beat that. Right. And you start to realize that when it gets to the ridiculous. It's just when it's on this kind of intermediary level that it's hard for us to figure out, I think. Yeah. Well, I think the only way to truly appreciate the natural world, excuse me, to truly appreciate the wonders of the natural world is to be engaged in it separate of the electronic world. Like if you're on some crazy hike, but you're also staring at your phone the entire time you're walking, you're just not going to get the whole feel.

Like if you're hiking in Yosemite and some of those incredible views and vistas and you're traveling around this amazing nature, just like you're not going to really take that in if you're traveling around these amazing nature. Just like, you're not going to really take that in if you're looking at your phone all the time. Or thinking about what picture you're going to take. Yeah. Yeah. You got a bunch of selfies. Yeah. Cause you're inherently, there's nothing about the phone that is in the present moment unless something is immediately popping up. Right. Right. Like it's all about the past, how I look, you know, if the future, how, what am I going to post? What's going to come? So it takes you out of the present moment

I think present moment is really the only pleasurable state that we have on the planet is when you're present It's those fucking screens man Calling you Kevin Best Come look at me Selfie time It's selfie time And your ego is just preening Yeah look at all the likes I have 5,000 likes for my ass.

5,000 likes. Yeah, you put filters on shit. Get that angle perfect. Gotta get those likes. It's so seductive, though. I mean, even before there was, you know, these phones and selfies, there was paintings. And then there was just your appearance in general. So people would get seduced by their, you know, their reflection in the mirror and looking pretty, you know, and then all the way back, maybe even before there was mirrors, there was that time in the brook.

And that's where you get that the myth of Narcissus who just couldn't stop looking at his reflection in in the waters of the stream, you know, and that was like the original point of you start looking at yourself not as self separating yourself from self you'll never be in the present moment you'll always be looking at yourself judging yourself and that's a game you can never fucking win you're not gonna win that one bitch no but how much do you think it cost back in the day to get your portrait painted like if you got your portrait painted back in the renaissance you were a bad motherfucker right you had some cash man you had you sat there and looked regal with your best clothes while some dude just painted you for how long how long does that take well they would pose for marble busts back even before then like you go back to the roman and greek times that's insane

i don't know how long that takes for you to get carved in marble. Yeah, that's insane. And you can't move. Yeah. But the ego is so seductive. You want to portray that image. And the problem is it's just always so vulnerable. It never feels confident no matter how wealthy you are, how good looking you are.

It's always unshaky ground because it's all nonsense you know your consciousness and that's enough like you don't need to be all of these things but you do though if you're that guy if you're that guy that sits there for the bust i mean that's one of the things i was thinking when i was in rome and i was going through the vatican uh we were looking at all these different sculptures i'm like that there's no way everyone was jacked. Everyone was jacked. Everyone. Everyone.

Everyone had a six-pack. Everyone. Really? But I thought it was so polite how they made everybody with a small dick, so nobody felt like. Do you know why they did that? So nobody felt like it was too small? No, no, no, no.

Interestingly enough, I asked, of course, and the guy told me that in the roman age it was considered barbaric if you had a big penis like you you weren't a person of culture or thought if you had a big penis and whether he's correct or not i'm not sure jamie look that up please but that's that's interesting that like these little dick dudes that say listen listen, this big dick thing, it's a fad. Okay? Don't get attached to it. They're all brutes and assholes, and that's why we're in this mess in the first place. It's all those big dick assholes. You want a

solid, a solid Roman Catholic government? You need a little dick dude with a six-pack, just jacked to the tits, looks like he's GSP with a leaf over his dick. And the leaves were, a lot of the leaves a leaf over his dick and the leaves were a lot of the leaves were put over the dicks later and a lot of the leaves uh the like style of the leaf over the dick that happened post constantine yeah it happened later after some religious period they

just decided to stop looking at dicks they're just like what this has been in front of us the whole time oh my goodness that's i mean mean, it's really like that classic example of let's make something that we're not. Yeah. You know, let's make that bad. You know, that thing is bad. That we don't have a big dick. But, I mean, I think there were also the honest inclination.

That guy's got a hog and a half, though. Look at that one. Is that the devil? He's a devil. Yeah, the demons always had giant dicks. You don't want that girl, that big dick demon, monster. Yeah, that guy's got a hog. Put it away, Jamie.

I'm tired of looking at it. It's just weird to think that they were struggling between, I guess, a big dick represented virility, which represented conquest, which represented conquest, which represented war, which represented strife. Like all those big dick dudes just coming over the mountains with fucking big shaggy beards, swinging swords and shit. Brennus the Gaul. Yeah, we gotta stop this.

Cutting himself and yelling in his bear skins on mushrooms as he's looking at a line of impenetrable shields. That guy. That guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want that guy and his giant dick. That guy probably had a hog or shirt just hair braided around it, like Princess Leia's helmet on his balls.

Yeah. I mean, if a girl tried to suck his dick, she's literally sucking on one of those cat posts. It's just a hairy dick. Hairy like a, would you imagine a buffalo dick would be like all these just random hairs hanging off of the shaft of his dick just dreadlocked barbarian dick yeah he probably comes up a bright white bright white like toothpaste just raw just catches the moonlight and glows.

Boom. Shoots out, looks like bones. Like liquid bones coming out of his dick. You could. You can't have that guy around with his big dick. You need little dudes with six packs that look like they could go gay at any moment in time. Because they did. Yeah, every one of them was just ready to suck a cock and conveniently the dicks were small so nobody gagged maybe that's what was going on too there was a lot of dick sucking back it's just a friendly little dick you know they didn't have those barbarian dicks to deal with

wonder when they realized you shouldn't fuck dudes all the time when when they realized when they're like it's like because people who essentially weren't even gay were fucking dudes right not there's anything wrong with being gay let's just get that out of the way i'm not judging in any way homosexuality but i'm saying that it's it's uh less likely than being straight but back then that was on the case gay acts whether you're an actual gay person or not that's the question. Were they gay people? Were there more gay people? Were there more bisexual people?

Or was everybody greedy? I think it's a combination. I think we're naturally a lot more bisexual than we act on because we're, everybody's also naturally quite a bit homophobic. And that's part of it. But I also think they were fucking kids back then. Oh, they fucked everything. There was like the momentum of fucking kids.

Like if you're a kid and you get fucked by a dude, like I think there's got to be a correlation there between having the desire to do the same thing. It's just like if your dad beats you, then you want to beat when you're a dad. It's the same kind of ingrained thing. And I think they just got this momentum of kid fucking. And then that probably contributed, along with just the open-mindedness and not being homophobic actually

they they sometimes are homophobic against the people who would receive the dick but the people who were supplying the dick it was like prison it's kind of like prison basically like the whole society was prison you know because if you're if you're the pitcher you're not really you know it's kind of normal everybody's a pitcher yeah you just try to get rid of loads you know and that was like one thing that if you look at some of the graffiti when caesar was taking over power like some of the graffiti was calling him like the catcher oh like caesar you catcher you know whatever god whatever word that was for that you know because that was still a slight. Like you were supposed to, at the most virile, if you're head of the Roman legions, you know, you want to be the pitcher.

When I was in high school, my friend Jimmy Lawless, who I'm still friends with today, I love that dude. But Jimmy Lawless, what a great name, by the way. It's right up there with Eddie Bravo. But we knew this dude who was bisexual, and we were kind of weirded out because, you know, I think I was 17 and Jimmy was 18. We were like, what the fuck?

Like, what do you think? What does that mean? Like, is he, you know? He goes, I don't know if I believe in bisexuals. I think they're just greedy. We started laughing. We just started laughing so hard because he was only like half serious. But, because I think they're just greedy.

I'll never forget it so when i think it's like it's so burned in my head as a 17 year old that laughed at everything you know i had a 17 year old ridiculously stupid sense of humor and to this day if someone says bisexual i just think of him going they're just greedy well is this i mean humans have put their dick in everything. Anything. Anything. Whatever. Jacuzzis, couches. Sheep. Sheep, fleshlights, people, men, women, whatever. That's how we met.

Yeah. Well, I think we should clarify. Aubrey and I met when he worked for the fleshlight, if you didn't know. Aubrey worked for a company that had a fake vagina. You'd have sex with a gelatinous fake... It was like some sort of a gelatinous fake it was like man some sort of a gelatin or something uh-huh food source gelatin you can't divulge family secrets but uh um it's uh that's how we met people love to just get rid of cum it makes you feel better yeah and

i think we got to just remove all of the fucking stigma about it like i know it's just it's the cum release mechanism for the pleasure monkey and that was actually like that that word was something that came to me actually my ayahuasca trip but that's what we fucking are we're pleasure monkeys like we're here to soak in as much pleasure laughter feel all the things that you can fucking feel to your body hit all of the pleasure buttons like why would you have a pleasure button and not push it it doesn't make any sense like push all of your pleasure buttons let's feel what that feels like let's go through and finish this existence in the material form saying like man there was like you don't want to have that button you're

like man i heard that button was awesome but i just never pushed it because i was afraid and religion said this thing and this blah blah blah like fucking push the pleasure buttons like let's push it yeah you know recognize that that's what we're here for and stop stressing so much about it. The idea that you should be guilty for your pleasure, like you don't deserve it. You do. We still have the echoes of the Puritans

that landed here and sort of tried to reestablish what's really similar to a lot of other crazy religious ideologies, views on sex, like really rigid, restrictive sex practices, you know, and that stuff stuck. It's hard to shake that shit off. It's hard to be grown adults like you are with your friends, you know, like you are with your friends. You talk about sex.

You know, it's just sex. It's it's what people do. It feels you don't say, oh, she wants sex. That dirty, dirty demon possessed woman. You go, you don't say, oh, she wants sex, that dirty, dirty, demon-possessed woman. You go, yeah, look at her. She's hot. I bet she wants dick all day. Hot girls, that's probably like, what's going on?

You look at Jennifer Lopez's ass, that's the ass of a woman that probably enjoys a dick, right? You'd hope so. You'd hope so. It seems like there's some system there, right? Yeah. It attracts them. She probably likes them. It's like a flower, and there, right? Yeah. It attracts them. She probably likes them. It's like a flower, and the bees land on it.

The flower wants the bee. Yeah, exactly. It's a mutually- The more fragrant the flower, the more it's desiring the bee. Mutually beneficial relationship. But somewhere along the line, people decide to restrict it, and they really clamp down on it. And I think it was during the hard times. I'm down on it. And I think it was during the hard times. And I think there's just so much,

there's so much to the restriction on sex that I think also has to do with our worrying about people not being able to handle hard times if they come again. Like there's a lot of people, I think in this world, whether they're preppers, whether they're people that are just concerned about the future of the world, they're really worried that people are losing. And ironically, it's funny because the people that would be more restrictive when it comes to sex are usually the right wingers. But the right wingers are least concerned about environmental damage. They're more concerned about fiscal profits like currently. And then the left wing would be much more concerned with environmental but much less restrictive when it comes to sexuality. environmental but much less restrictive when it comes to sexuality like the the idea that you could just run around having sex with whoever you want and just experiencing pleasure and not

committing to people and having a good time and smoking a little pot and drinking and dancing and just enjoying life that's not good for commerce right that's not good for business that's not good and so if you want people to embrace the same sort of level of materialism that you're going to need to make your bottom line go up every year, you've got to stop these fucking hippies and their goddamn fucking dance out in the desert. Sure. Some burning down bullshit out there cutting back on our profits. You've got to look at that motivation. You've also got to look at the motivation of just control. You know, like you take something that someone is going to think about all the fucking time. All the time.

And then make them guilty for that and make it a sin and make you the one who can absolve them of that sin. You got them fucking locked. Like every single human on planet Earth is going to sin and they're going to need you to rescue them from hellfire boom it's like the ultimate fucking rear naked choke on the human psyche right because no one's going to be able to stop themselves from having sexual urges and thoughts and if your thoughts are a sin and you're the only one who can take it away from it's fucking the world's greatest con the world's greatest con might be making prostitution illegal. Right.

Like, how do they figure out a way you can fuck anybody you want for free? Like, it's not like it's illegal to fuck. It's not like murder. You know, like, you just can't go around killing people. I don't care how much you pay. You can't go kill people.

That's not what we do, okay? We're civilized. But you could just go get some coke, go to a bar, start doing shots with people. Next thing you know, you're banging people. You barely even know them, right? If you're some fucking wild person, you could just, if you're a girl especially,

God damn, you could travel from place to place and give it away and just get dick anywhere you want, right? Well, that is okay. But if you go there and you actually exchange pieces of paper or coins, that's not good or bitcoins What the fuck like how is that possible Bitcoin prostitute that's high level I'm high level more interested high level I can pay very high level pay for my sex act with a Bitcoin really smart girl to the show up They just see things differently. I just think it's insane that you could pay people for massages. You could pay people to do your nails.

You could get pedicures and manicures. You could have people do all sorts of stuff to you, wax you. Just don't massage your dick. It's crazy. Honestly, I think it's this special distinction that religion has given. Yeah, there's some consequences to sex. There's potential pregnancy. But we've mostly eradicated that if you're really trying.

At least if you're trying, you can eradicate that issue. And there's some diseases. So there's some consequences. I get it. I get it's a little different than a massage where you're less likely to get anything of consequence. Wear a condom, you filthy animal. There's almost zero disease problems there. But the amount of difference that people give that to like like you imagine your girl

getting massaged from a dude and you're like yeah okay but then he massages her vagina oh man the stomach the stomach feels funny and you want to puke and you want to fight him and you want to stab him in the throat for touching your girl's vagina pleasure and pleasure. And you just think how wet she probably was. She couldn't believe how naughty this was. She was probably leaking down the side of her legs. Like, oh my gosh. She probably came immediately. As soon as his thumb just gently rubbed up against her

asshole, she just... Her toes spread out and her feet cramped up. Jesus! And everybody felt so naughty. Naught And everybody felt so naughty. Naughty, naughty, naughty. Terrible person. Terrible rule breaker.

Violator of the trust. It's so crazy, man. We just gotta all look at each other and be like, we're all just fucking pleasure monkeys. It's cool where you get your pleasure. I'm not your pleasure dealer. You know, let's love each other and just be cool.

Yeah, it's going to take a little while. They came close to that in the 60s for a while. You think about the difference between the 50s and the 60s. Think about the people in the 50s were all locked down watching Hawaii Five-0 and shit. Actually, that was probably the 60s. Dragnet, that's what I was trying to think of. Did you ever see the Dragnet thing where the Dragnet guy, Joe Joe Friday is talking to some fucking hippie, some goddamn hippie, and he's explaining to the hippie how easy they have it and how lucky they should feel living in America today with all the people that have sacrificed so much to allow them to dress like silly people. And it's so hilarious because it sounds like a person to you.

This is it. Like, listen to this. Everybody else is fat and selfish, and you're the first generation to come along that's felt dissatisfied. They all have, you know, about different things, and most of them didn't have the same opportunity and freedoms that you do. Let's talk poverty. Most places in the world, that's not a problem.

It's a way of life. And rights, they're liable to give you a blank stare because they may not know what you're talking about. The fact is, more people are living better right here than anywhere else ever before in history. The dudes are dressed impeccably First of all, Joe Friday's in a perfect I'm fucking strictly business suit And the dudes who he's talking down to Look like they're The dudes in the back

Of the Jimi Hendrix band That nobody can tell you Their name I mean look at these dudes I mean there's like Jimi Hendrix And the dudes he was with And I'm sure if you're

Fucking heavy duty Music head You're mad at me right now I understand But know this I'm a giant Jimi Hendrix fan Obviously

Giant I don't know who The fuck he toured with. I don't know who those dudes were. I have no idea. People, when they see other people having fun and they don't feel like they can get there, they want to shit on it. Yeah, that's for sure. You know, like, that's like, oh, look at them having all this sex, getting high.

They look happy as shit. Like, that's going to cause, it's that resistance towards towards joining it that if they actually just relaxed and and did it they'd probably feel good but they can't somehow they feel like they can or they shouldn't or they won't so the reaction is to remove that thing to squash that thing to make it more like them so that it feels so they don't have that you know those eyes that are looking over there saying oh maybe that life's better what's wrong with me how come i can't do that you know so people shit on it I think the lines are being blurred though, between like a really like hardcore,

no nonsense people, like a Joe Friday type character and the hippies. Those lines are getting like, there's a lot of people that like go in weird slots. Like how'd that guy get in that? Oh, he's in a weird spot. Like he's kind of both of those things.

There's a lot of those people now that you can't really lock them down you can't say this is a right-wing person or a left-wing person there's a no-nonsense disciplined get-to-work person and this is a pothead and this is a guy who likes to do mushrooms and this is a guy who gets up in the morning and runs they might be the same dude now like there's a lot of like crossover between people who are like very disciplined hard workers but also experience pleasure and also understand that this is, we are a temporary life form hurling through infinity. Wake the fuck up and just have fun and enjoy this.

Totally. Because this is madness. And it could very well be over at the blink of an eye. A fucking giant rock the size of Pittsburgh can come flying out of the north and no one catches it until it's too late and it slams into the fucking polar ice cap and we're diggity diggity done. We're done. That's it. It's a wrap. There's like 50 of us left.

We eat each other. You know, we turn into mice. The only thing that's keeping us from engaging in all of these other forms that we want to is this clinging to identity in these fear programs. We ditch all that, then you just get wide open for everything else. And it's not a new idea, like the idea of the warrior poet, the idea back then of someone who could go to battle, and like Musashi, who could be the best swordsman and also be the best calligrapher

and also a writer and also meditate and also, you know, have affairs and also do whatever like passionate love affair, all of the things like at a certain point, people realize like, oh yeah, all the things is best. And then at a certain point now in arts culture, or at least getting to here, it was like, you have to identify with this one thing and that's your thing and then you defend that thing and and no man fucking enjoy all of it well what i realized from musashi when i was um i think i was in my teens when i read the book of five rings the first time what i realized is he was explaining this concept that was totally alien to me at the time as like an insecure teenager. He was explaining this concept of to be balanced at anything, to be like at your best at anything, you have to have no loose ends.

You have to be loving. You have to be kind. You have to be an artist. You have to be creative, but you also have to be ruthless with your sword technique and you have to be ruthless with your sword technique. And you have to be ruthless with your psychology and how you engage with your enemy. I mean, he was a fascinating, fascinating guy. He got bored fighting people with swords. So he started using oars from boats. He started fucking people up with oars. He's like, I'm just tired of fucking these bitches up with swords. He killed 62 people in one-on-one combat with weapons.

Whoa. And along the way, he developed this really intense, very rigid sort of guideline for maintaining the ultimate warrior spirit. And that was a balanced perspective. It was really weird because I remember reading about that at the time. And I thought he just had to be a killer man I thought you had to be you know you had to be like Roberto Duran when he was young you had to be just a savage like that was the only way to be a good fighter you had to be a savage you had to be just someone who just came in just guns blazing didn't give a fuck like Mike Tyson in the early days that was the only way to be successful that's what I thought and what he was saying is no you have to be a master of yourself yeah, the master of all aspects of yourself and There's no there's no more terrifying form of combat than one-on-one with a fucking sword

I mean he was the master He was the guy that figured it out in a very strange time in Japanese history where he was a Ronin is traveling around Fucking killing people. Yeah, I think I traveling around fucking killing people. Yeah, I think some of these times, when you look back, some of the philosophies that developed are even more advanced than ours because when you have a strong external pressure, like the likelihood of a sword battle to the death, that forms this point of resistance where you've got to cut out a lot of the bullshit.

All the bullshit. You really have to look at the world in a different way. And even when there was the threat of, of fighting somebody at any point, you know, that changes how you are as a man. Like that change, that's an external point of resistance that causes you to understand certain things about, about the nature of life and the nature of your manhood. Whereas now we have so little external pressure. Like most of us can go through life and never get in a fight. You know, that's not something that's in a lot of people's lives,

still in some people's lives for sure. But like you're removed from these different things and sports offer that in kind of a very controlled way. But you take away all of these external pressures and then you get, it gets really squirrely because you have nothing to define yourself against. You don't have any resistance. You're like lifting weights on the moon. And no matter what you try to do, you can't get a fucking squat, right? Because there's no gravity. You know what I mean? Like, and so you have to, you have to go out and I think actively

put yourself in situations that are going to challenge you, going to test you. And it doesn't all have to be physical. That's just one way in. Find yourself in challenging mental situations. Find yourself in challenging emotional situations, challenging physical situations. That's what some people in crazy relationships do. They start fights. They build up challenging emotional situations so they can escape them. They make their own obstacle course to get through life. No, you're totally right, man.

I think we're just experiencing the safest time ever. We're sort of trying to find demons that don't exist instead of concentrating on the ones that do. Yeah. And that's to me, I think, and I mentioned a couple times, if you're interested and want to tell that story, but about the time I did ayahuasca because these plant medicines are that form of resistance. It is a bit of a trial by fire. You know, it's going to, you're going to confront yourself with, you know, some of the darkest, deepest fears and concerns that you have. And that's, and that's the

process by which it makes you better. It's not, you know, a magic potion. It's just like, here's resistance. How are you going to respond? And when you respond through that and you get, you just get better from it, you know, you feel better. I wonder with, with California, with this, uh, latest recreational marijuana law passed, I wonder how long it'll be before someone tries to do some sort of a psychedelic clinic, whether it's for, uh, some sort of a psychedelic clinic, whether it's for addiction to opiates, like an Iboga, Ibogaine clinic, or this Kratom stuff, you know this shit?

Yeah, I've tried it. What do you think about this? Because I did a podcast with Chris Bell the other day. He was trying to explain it to me. To me, Kratom in mild doses is- Is it Kratom or is it Kratom? I don't know, Kratom, kratom. I'm not really sure.

I don't either. In mild doses, it seems to be like a bit of an energy buzz. And then in heavier doses, it seems to be more like a painkiller. It's almost like a slightly euphoric but numbed sensation. It's a really interesting plant. Clearly, I don't think there's any reason for it to be illegal. I haven't found personally a ton of value from it. I find value in some other things, but the only thing I found disturbing is that I was getting a bunch of text messages from people or tweets rather from people that were telling me that they had some addictive

experiences with it, that it was very addicted to them, addictive to them. So I don't know if that's true or not um i also don't know where you're getting it and what's in it yeah you know i i don't i don't exactly know how pure this stuff is i mean this stuff is this this is like a retail version of it the guy who sells it came with chris i trust that but if you're buying it from a dealer which is like essentially what a lot of people had to do for a long time like Like, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting. Sure. You know?

Yeah, it's coming from Indonesia or wherever it's from. I would like to see some real tests done. Yeah. Because to me, I tried it. I was like, this is like a mild stimulant. It kind of feels okay. Like, it doesn't feel bad. Yeah.

You know, it's interesting. Once you open the doors to that scientific method with these plants, you find amazing results. And I think that's what we're seeing in this revolution of understanding of psychedelics. Like I just read and tweeted about a study on both psilocybin and MDMA for like social angst and social anxiety,

you know, which are one of the things like you think of the classic school shooter syndrome. You know, it's this feeling of being excluded from your tribe, excluded from the social situation and the angst and anxiety and all of the medications that are prescribed for these different feelings of feeling like you're not part of the group. Well, they wanted to test that with both MDMA and with psilocybin. And they found that it was effective with both, but differently. So they created this game called cyber ball, right? Where they had what seemed like just random other test subjects all in a circle with a ball. And, but really it was researchers and then one test subject.

And so to create social anxiety, they would play this game of catch and just not pass the ball hardly ever to the test subject. So we'd feel eventually like, man, what the fuck? Why aren't these people passing me the ball? Like what's wrong with me? And so they tapped into some, and they would test that at baseline as placebo, right? The angst and the kind of concern of like, man, what's wrong with me? Why do these people not want to give you the ball? And then they tested a baseline for placebo, gave them the whatever placebo they were using. And then they tested it with psilocybin. And what they found with psilocybin was that it dramatically reduced their amount of anxiety their angst their stress about not giving the ball they were they were just looking at him like man look at these

people they just don't want to pass me the ball that's cool you know and so and so but they could accurately tell now mdma also reduced the social anxiety but in a different way the people who mdma thought they were getting the ball all the time like they had no idea that they weren't getting the ball they're like oh man I got passed you all the time it was amazing oh that's funny they're just loving other people catching the ball yeah I'm so happy for you man you caught it oh you threw it he got it hey I'm happy for you too dude yeah that I think MDMA could be extremely beneficial to anybody. At least one trip.

I just found the only trip that I did, I was like, this is really, you can learn something from this. Well, it's also, you know, like mescaline, which comes in both huachuma, the San Pedro cactus, and peyote is also a serotonergic kind of psychedelic. So if you haven't had a lot. So similar to MDMA in that way? Very similar. Yeah. I mean, MDMA is, you know, like a more pharmaceutical approach to elevating serotonin and that feeling that is associated with serotonin in your body. Whereas, you know, the mescaline derived psychedelics do that in a similar way, but with a little bit more of a visionary component. So, but both have, you know, one is just a more direct application.

And I think that's great for a situation like MAPS is testing with PTSD and certain other kind of situations because it's very reproducible. It's very like clinical reaction of what's going to happen in the brain. Whereas something like Wachuma gives you this overwhelming experience, but it's woven in with all kinds of other different things. I think the problem really wholly resides in the fact that these drugs are illegal. Because if they weren't illegal, we would look at them as like, wow, this might be solutions for people suffering from PTSD, from this, from that. Social anxiety. Social anxiety. And also kind of gives your brain a chance to almost detach, like a lens that detaches from the camera.

Get a look at the inner workings of the thing. And then before you put it back on, you kind of get a better understanding of it. There's a detachment that MDMA has from some of the nonsense you've carried around with you. Like clothes. You've just worn it your whole life. You don't realize it's bullshit until you take something that makes you go, like, this is all so ridiculous. Well, what I think,

talking to the psychologists and psychiatrists of why it's so beneficial is we all carry a lot of trauma. We all carry these things from our past that are these stories. And I think that was another thing. I keep talking about the Jordan Peterson podcast, but he talked about that self-authoring program,

which is rewriting these stories. Well, he was talking about actually writing it, but what MDMA is doing for people with PTSD and with anybody is it's going back and looking at all of these traumatic things in our history, in our past, and which is also one of the things that in the studies that they're showing, they have a psychologist, psychiatrist who's guiding people back to these potential traumatic events. But when you're flooded with serotonin you see things in a totally different perspective you see things from the vantage point of love and it's all good so no matter what you know situation came about you'll see that kind of higher perspective rather than that fear response that kind of cringing

that creates more fear and more trauma you look at it and you're able to relax, see it and say, man, that was pretty horrible, but you know what? It's okay. Like I'm still okay. I still have these bright things. And you repattern the, uh, you repattern that traumatic experience. So when you go to draw that back up from your past, you're drawing up a different recategorized experience. Like you're rewriting the software that's, you know, always rewritable, like those rewritable floppy disks. You know, you take that thing out, you rewrite it with a whole different hue of your neurochemicals and the feelings that you're surrounding it. And then when you access it again or when it's just carrying around in your memory, then it doesn't have the same sting. It doesn't have the same trauma.

And that's one of the mechanisms of action of MDMA and also what they're looking at with ayahuasca. Ayahuasca going back, not flooding you necessarily with serotonin, but showing you that of these events in a slightly different perspective, showing you, well, hey, that's actually what made you so ambitious and so strong. And this traumatic thing that you thought was so horrible, it actually brought out all these other benefits. And it was actually, you know, if you really see from the person who, the perpetrator's perspective, you know, look at all the sadness that created that. Look at where he was coming from. So you repattern that traumatic event,

and then it's not carrying that same dramatic, terrible weight, that lifeless body that you're trying to carry around. It's just been rewritten. There's also the perspective that who you are, like as a person right now, is an accumulative effect of all your experiences. That's what makes you who you are. Well, if you have some mind-blowing experience,

which is what a psychedelic experience is, you're going to change. You're going to be a different person. I mean, it might be a microscopic shift of the dial. Like if you had a safe and you were click, click, click, click, it might be like one shift of the dial. Like if you had a safe and you were click, click, click, click, click, it might be like one click, click, like after a psychedelic experience. And then you might have another psychedelic experience. You might get a double click, click, click, you know, but it's very small movements, right? But ultimately you're

a different person. So if, even if it's a small movement, that new experience has given you a chance to sort of mock the things that were threatening you just momentarily. Totally. Just a few moments ago, just four hours ago before you took the mushrooms. You're like, God, why was I worried about that? That's nothing. Like, it gives you that opportunity because you're literally a different person now. You've had this experience.

The fucking problem is they're illegal. If they weren't illegal, you'd be able to, because that's the big fear, right? How do I know what I'm taking? Of course. How do you know what you're taking? You don't fucking know. You don't know because big daddy pharma has paid off the fucking big daddy government to keep it out of your greasy little hands.

So you can't trip balls and live in the woods like a fucking pixie. The beautiful thing is, though, it's coming. I think so. Because as soon as they open the doors to clinical research, it's an undeniable force. Like you cannot deny the evidence that's coming back from the maps, you know, phase two clinical trials. You cannot deny the evidence coming out of, you know, Johns Hopkins. And these are the research institutes about psilocybin.

They are helping people with conditions and you just, you know, follow the scientific method all the way through and all the plants are going to arrive. Like we're going to get them all home. We've got to get Trump on drugs. That's what we've got to do. For sure. We've got to get the new president to do DMT. If we got him to do DMT, it would change so much.

Or just a little dose of mushrooms, bro. You don't even have to get crazy. Take a gram and a half. Just a gram and a half for a little reset. Just a little reset. Just a little sit back and a little, wow, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? Exactly, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? Exactly. What are we doing here?

I just think this is a unique and special time. And as long as we can be aware and as long as we verbalize that, we say it all the time, this is a unique and special time. Let's capitalize on this unique and special time.

Let's use this unique and special time. Let's capitalize on this unique and special time. Let's use this unique and special time to establish a new understanding for this generation and to set things up way better for the next generation. Dude, my parents, I'm older than you. My parents were essentially raised by barbarians. They came over on a fucking boat. They had no idea what was over here. You know, their, their parents did it really like my grandparents' parents did it. They came over on a fucking boat. They had no idea what was over here. You know, their parents did it, really. My grandparents' parents did it. They came over from Italy and from Ireland. They were savages, man.

They were hardly different from the people that came over on the boats during the pilgrim days. They were barbarians. They just had a little bit more culture, a little bit more language, a little bit more this. They beat the shit out of their wives. They were always drunk. They were monsters, a lot of them. They're just crazy people scratching and clawing. Their understanding of life during the Ed Sullivan show,

their understanding of what the world was really all about, is so far removed from the average 20-year-old with an internet account who can go on YouTube. As long as he stays away from those Flat Earth videos, he's going to have a real good understanding of how this motherfucker works and a way better understanding than any grown adult with children did in the 1950s when my parents were kids. There's no fucking way. You can't compete.

society where all of this silliness that we still have to deal with, like the WikiLeaks email that came out about Hillary Clinton that said that she opposes marijuana, quote, in every sense of the word. You can't do that anymore. You can't do that anymore. Like that to me, that people were still willing to support that, like this is better than him. He grabs pussies. Is it?

Are you sure it's better? Because I don't know if it's better. I think the whole thing's a mess You can't have people stopping pipe. Oh, it's all about the pot with you It's all about freedom and anybody that wants to stop pot they can stop sex They can stop whatever the fuck you want to do that They decide they can profit off of you not doing that and you think they can't stop sex look what religion did to sex Sure, right look how many people were burned for their sexual practices at the stake literally like you can ban absolutely

everything there's laws on the books that are throwing people in jail for homosexuality that'll flare up still now like okay in different places of the world where they'll kill people for sex so it's not that that hasn't even been tried like the the ability of the monstrous nature of humans to be able to impose those restrictions on people of the sovereignty of their own consciousness in their own body you can only ejaculate this way you can only expand your consciousness in these manners women can't drive they have to dress like genies cover themselves like I've dreamed of genie. Oh, wow. But it's like we got to discard all that shit. And this idea that these pastors have more knowledge than someone who just spent a few days out in the woods doing mushrooms.

Like, are you sure? Who should you be following? Well, the one dude that took the photo from heaven, he's got a lock. Yeah, he is. He's seen it all. from heaven. He's got a lock. Yeah, he is.

He's seen it all. There was a story that was out just a couple days ago about some woman in Indonesia that received 100 lashes for being around a man, being too close to a man.

There's a bunch of people that were publicly flogged for sex crimes, but there were sex crimes as similar, as innocuous as a woman was too close to a man.

They gave her 90 lashes or some crazy shit. And all the little boners underneath the fucking robes from the people who were lashing the woman. Yeah, here it is. A student gets 100 lashes for sex outside marriage in Indonesia. So he got 100 lashes, and there was another one about a woman. That dude looks just like the male dudes in that fucking sex BDSM dungeon porn

from San Francisco where they took that old prison out, and they all fucking dressed like that and locking people up. It's the same dude. He just gets to do it in public. Oh, it's even extra kinky. I get to whip people in fucking public. She was flogged with a ratan cane. Did you say a ratan? How do you say it? Ratan cane? At least seven

times for being too close in close proximity to a man. So they beat her with a cane seven times for being in close proximity to a man. So they beat her with a cane seven times for being in close proximity to a man. The 32-year-old male who was with her was also flogged seven times. Hmm, it's interesting. Let's look at how the sentence is structured. The 34-year-old woman was flogged with a rat and cane at least seven times,

being in close proximity to a man. That's the har. The 32-year-old male who was with her was also flogged seven times. Like that's, it's not the man and the woman her was also flagged seven times like that's it's not the man the woman were both flagged Flogged seven times each it's like the woman horror upon horrors this beautiful young woman was Flogged because she had sex with a man or because she was close to a man the dude was flogged too, but fuck him You know and the woman it hurts so bad the woman said she cited AFP Raising her arms in the air.

What about the dude? The dude, they didn't even ask him. They didn't even ask the dude. Fuck him. He's a dude, that fucking cisgendered asshole with his male privilege. He's white. He's probably white in Indonesia. They probably would have given him 100 if he was black.

Yeah, man. I went to the dungeon of the Inquisition in Italy, and that changed my whole perspective on everything. Put that back up. Listen to this one. Go back to where you were. Here we go. Look at this. No, no, no.

Jamie doesn't know how to do the internet. Okay. a man found guilty of sex outside the marriage was also flogged at least 22 times by the person delivering the punishment who was dressed in long robes and a hood. His partner, who is two months pregnant, is still waiting for her fate to be decided. Wow. She's pregnant and they're going to decide her fate. Whoa. In such situations, officials in the province usually order the flogging of the woman after they give birth. Holy shit. Holy shit. That's Indonesia in 2016.

That is holy shit that's scary. That is just what happens when people decide what the rules are. You can't let people decide the rules. And have false metaphysical underpinnings have that underpinning that that's someone who deserves that kind of punishment you know have that you know you lose the idea those fundamental things that's me living a different life would i want to do that to me like do you understand the actual truth of the urges that person had and the truth of everything you start turning everything on its head and then you

get these crazy rules and abilities like and it's not just Indonesia like I went to the dungeon of the Inquisition in Italy And it was so much fucking darker than a cane. I mean feel it when you're in the room for sure It was it was nauseating especially when you start seeing that 60% of these fucking things have to do with your genitals like Burning rods they're shoving in dick holes and assholes and yeah, exactly for Jesus, like the absolute antithesis of the Jesus message. When you really look at it mystically, like, like from the, from the, what the metaphysical truths of what he's espousing. And then somehow they go from that to that. And I think it's, again, it's like that incremental creep, you know, towards a little bit harsher punishments, a little bit more sadistic, you know, and you get more and more and more.

And you get that you start feeding that urge for sadism, that urge to to not only, you know, punish somebody, but to do it in the most horrifying way. And, you know, that's part of human nature. You know about the Stanford prison experiments, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If you haven't heard about Stanford prison experiments, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If you haven't heard about that, folks, look it up. It's a really interesting story. They had these students and these college students at Stanford, they put them through this experiment where some of them were guards and some of them were prisoners.

And the guards almost immediately started abusing the prisoners. They fucking canceled it. They had to cancel it. They had to stop it short. Yeah. And I think, you know, the problem is, is that we all try to bury these thoughts, these darker thoughts that we have, you know, like all of us inside of us, you know, you look at times of war and, you know, whole armies that would go, part of why they would go on

these contests was for rape you know like we all think of ourselves like as as men now like man i would never be capable of of doing anything hurting anybody else but inside our genetics inside the things that was passed along our lineage were warrior cultures that probably produced our fucking ancestors through rape like that's part of every individual, these dark thoughts, this, it feels somehow good to hurt somebody else. And the fact that we deny those entirely, they become monsters, you know, is where if you just acknowledge and like, look at them and say, man, I'm all the bad stuff. I'm all the good stuff. It's all good. What am I going to choose to do? You know, what do I

want to put out in the world? And I think that's a really important, important facet to recognize that, you know, we're all, we're all fucked up, you know, but it's our choice that decides, you know, who we really are and what we want to bring into the world. Are we going to make this amazing video game a better place, a better game? Are we going to make it miserable for everybody we encounter? I've always wondered about mob rules. Like, I've always wondered about, like, the mob mentality. Like, what is that? Where's that coming from? Is that like an acceptance of war?

Like, is that, I wonder if that's some sort of a survival mechanism where you're able to do horrific shit as long as everybody around you is doing horrific shit. So all of a sudden, the collective mindset shifts and new rules apply. Like, if people are coming over the fence and y you all have axes and you're coming at them, you're doing things you would never do on a daily basis. You're hacking off arms and attacking people.

And once it's real, it's real, right? Once the first guy gets an arrow through the fucking head and you see the shit going down, like you're swinging and it's all going crazy. And everyone around you is doing the same thing. And no one could go, guys, guys, seriously. What are we doing? Let's stop here and let's realize we doing the same thing. And no one could go, guys, guys, seriously. What are we doing? Let's stop here, and let's realize we can all get along. There's plenty of vegetables for everybody.

Let's stop the raping. Get to know these girls. They'd cut your fucking head off and light your house on fire and stab your mom. They would go crazy. I mean, that's what they did. Yeah, bloodlust. There's a something, a thing.

There's a something that happens. There's a something that happens. There's a thing that happens to people. Yeah. When you have that mob mentality. You could probably look at like Steve, someone like Steven Kotler can probably tell you more about the, you know, the adrenaline and neurochemical response that's creating this version of yourself that's like supercharged on these certain things. So your empathy, you know, your empathy ratings go way down. It's like you're looking at the west world control board right it's like empathy ratings way down aggression way up like all of these different neurochemicals that are changing like literally changing yourself into something that is much more favorable for those actions right you know

yeah but it creates a collective mindset it's like the individual because like it's one of the things you hear all the time about war is the the really noble heroic warriors who sacrifice themselves to save others like it's one of the the main uh themes that we love hearing about like the guy who dives on the grenade to save his people to save the guys who are around him like that is something that happens in that crazy environment of that intensity of life. It's one of the weirder things about it, man, is how many people who go through that say it was the best time of their life

and they'd love to go back. Yeah. Well, presents, man. I really think that any time you're presents, every time you're present, it's some of the best time of your life. Not like Christmas presents. Yeah, no. Like when you're just present, like when you're in flow state when you're present, you're, it's some of the best time of your life. Not like Christmas presents. Yeah.

No. Like when you're just present, like when you're, you're in flow state when you're in war, because part of it is that intense threat, you know, like you don't have time to think about your email, that incessant, you know, voice from your phone to check Instagram is not in your fucking head. You're in war, you know? And that's. Unless some girl's been like DMing you and you're like, damn, it's going down.

Then you just can't get out of your head. We're meeting up tonight. For sure. You know and that's unless some girls been like DM in you We'll meeting up tonight For sure and I think probably at a certain level of like Tim Kennedy. He might have those thoughts like it's just so calm Well, it's a Musashi thing. Yeah, exactly That's probably why he actually started having to fight with oars because at a certain point with a sword He probably wasn't even getting the same feeling anymore. Right. Probably didn't even feel like a sword battle. It was like a sparring match when you know you're going 20% and you're all relaxed and shit. Rather than when you're just knowing like, all right, these people are coming for me. It's a different kind of mental state that you get in.

And maybe, you know, the or thing was like, all right, I'm just not feeling it. I'm too good. Well, he actually realized, too, that the oar had a much longer reach. Yeah. And so he was cracking dudes in the head from the outside. So there was actually a good strategic element to the oar. And I'm pretty sure he whittled the oar down. And he would show up super late, too.

That was his other thing. The dudes would be so tired. They'd be just freaking, oh, my God, am I going to die tonight? Am I going to die? They'd be thinking that for hours, and then finally he shows up. Yeah. But back then, I mean, what do they had fucking sundials on their wrists? How'd you even know what time it was?

Yeah, you could definitely get away with a lot more. Yeah, there's a lot of wiggle room for fucking dawn. What's dawn to you, bro? Midday, too. Midday is a real fuck up. Yeah, midday. You're supposed to meet at midday. Oh, Jesus.

High noon. Come on, man. What does that even mean? Yeah. Unless you're around on, man. What does that even mean? Yeah. Unless you're around a sundial. Yeah. And even that seems like it'd be hard to get that right. Nobody had that on their wrist.

That was only the Flintstones. Oh, okay. Shit. Shit. The Flintstones had that on their wrist, remember? Yeah. Get a fucking sundial. That's hilarious.

I wonder who the first dude with a watch that he carried around. What a pimp that guy must have been. Did you say what time it is? Clap, motherfucker. Shut up. He opens it up like a coffin. Flavor Flav size hanging from his neck. Like when, let's just guess.

When was the first pocket watch created? I'm going to say 1600s. Is that ambitious? I say 1712. Ooh, very specific. It's like Price is Right, right? The very first pocket watch. If you have a pocket watch today, by the way, you're an asshole.

If it's hanging from your vest on a string and you're drinking handmade beer, you piece of shit. Stop using mustache wax. Stop dressing like you live in a different time zone. Look at those brothers. Those brothers that used to, everybody drank out of mason jars and all the wood was raw.

All their commercials was like, they're all wearing spats. Damn. 1504, wow. People are way smarter than that, give them credit. Wow, we were both off by, I was off by over 100 years too. We're off for 40 hours though. Good enough, dude, too. They only worked for 40 hours, though. Good enough, dude. Why are you so picky?

40 hours is a whole week. You could use it for the week for working. Huh. They were small enough to be worn around the neck or carried in a bag or pocket. Interesting. Did they have a photo of one of those? Did one of those still exist today?

See if it still exists. You're a gangster because you get a statue made out of you if you invent the pocket watch. Yeah, you're a dope motherfucker. Because he didn't know, but that was what led to the Apple Watch. He didn't know at the time. It's going to be you can never get away. Is that what it looked like? I wonder.

You think you just slap that thing out on the table if you're trying to impress a girl? Fuck yeah. Just this giant gold column. It's like Ferrari keys. Look at that thing yeah ferrari keys never stay in the pocket right you freaking those things out always wearing like a ring spin around your finger wow look at the mechanism in that thing holy shit man that's gorgeous that's that thing that people super dork out about man is handmade watches yeah watches. Yeah. I didn't, I had no idea. My friend Mark Delagrate, you know Mark Delagrate. Mark Delagrate is a watch nut.

So was Anthony Giordano. What a fucking coincidence. Two guineas. Two shiny guineas. Are really watch nuts. But Anthony was telling me that there's uh Anthony's the guy who's directed all my except one of my uh comedy specials I love that dude he directs UFC too he told me that uh there's watches that are a half a million bucks that's insane for a watch I go it just it looks

like a regular watch it's like it looks like a regular watch I go what's the deal it's really rare you know it's very accurate. The mechanism is super complex. It's all handmade. It takes like six months to make one. I'm like, what? It takes six months to make a watch. You know, look at this one. $219,000?

Oh, my God. What is that? What does it look like? That's it? That's definitely not it. Oh, my God. That is it. It looks like a transformer.

Click on that. It looks like a cobra. That's what the picture didn't pop up. Oh. I don't know why. It's probably loading still. Click on that. It looks like a cobra. Oh. It's probably loading still. See how it's spinning up on the right, the top? Oh no, it's just not coming up, huh? Wow, though.

Holy shit. Click on the image. Just click on the image instead of the link. What the fuck, man? $219,000 for the ugliest watch you've ever worn. But everybody's gonna know it's $200,000. That ugliest watch you've ever worn. But everybody's going to know it's $200,000. That's the rub, son. Hugh Blow, it's funny. So my buddy Bodie was sponsored by them, and he got a bunch of watches.

And he just doesn't care about watches, so they were just like in the drawer with like the regular other stuff. And I finally convinced him to give me one. And it's sweet, but it's not like a big deal. Dude, that thing's disgusting. That thing is ridiculous. That is so ugly. It's like a safe vault. That looks like they would sell it at Best Buy in the line before you leave where they have the candy.

They got that design from Sharper Image, for sure from Sharper Image. That is so ugly. That is such a weird looking stupid watch. Look at that guy. He's so psyched. Look at my watch, bitch. I'm rich, bitch. Look at his yellow eyes like the dude from Sin City.

He's like, I'm rich, bitch. Look at it. He's so happy. He's going to jump in his Ferrari and take it to his private jet and get his dick sucked all the way to Monaco. That probably happened. Look at those fucking ugly watches, man. They're so gross.

Look at the one with the guy's wrist in the upper right-hand corner, Jamie. Up there, yeah. Look how big that stupid thing is. Definitely needs to be bigger. That is crazy. It looks like an alien locked onto that dude's wrist. Like some alien bug. Like the running man fucking, the neck piece that would explode if you were in a certain zone.

Looks like that watch might just clamp down and remove your hand. Just blow your hand off. Boom. Squirt, squirt, squirt. Yeah. Fuck that watch. $219,000. That's so stupid.

It's ugly. Yeah. This watch costs like $200. Well, just another way to subtly shit on people. It's weird, man. Just show your status, your identity, and blah, blah, blah. It's these games, the games that we like to play to push our, to what Jordan was saying, like create that temporary inequality,

create that appearance of inequality. I'm better than everybody because I have this giant fucking safe vault on my on my hand that's the out of conversation with this dude about watches and uh he's like what kind of watches that it was one of those uh mvmt watches as a sponsor of the podcast and they only cost like 150 bucks and they're dope they're nice they're real they're really nice looking watches and he's like oh man i thought it was a nice watch i go but you thought it was a nice watch you thought it was a nice watch but now it's not a nice watch because you know it's only 150 bucks like it's still it's still the same watch it tells time look at it see it tells time that's it what is this how much is this piece of shit five million oh my god it's the same company hubolt

so hubolt has figured out whatever they figured out how to find the retards they figured out how to lock them in this one down here is 25 million oh my Jesus fucking what is that

this is the watch part that's like a stellar nursery that's what it is that's how many million 25 million if you're a chick and you can get a guy to buy you that

your pussy is gold you must have that super pussy. That snapping pussy that Richard Pryor used to talk about in his old records. Yeah, it's the pussy that extends deep into the soul. $30 million? That one's $30 million. Is that a pocket watch? The pocket watch is $30 million.

So you're an asshole and you spent $30 million because anyone with a pocket watch is an asshole. What is that thing? Look at it. It says it was started work on in 1782 and was finished in 1827 by the guy's son. Oh, well, that's different. That's different. That is wicked.

So that was a long project. It took 100 years to make that watch. Imagine you get drunk and left out at the bar. Hey, guys, I'm super sorry. Did you see a priceless watch? It's worth a couple houses. It's worth more than a couple. 30 million? It's worth a fucking

mansion and a jet. In the Hamptons. You can live in the Hamptons off a watch. Imagine that. You could buy the whole you could just say, how are you going to pay? I'm going to give you a watch. Like what? Imagine'm going to give you a watch. Like, what? Imagine going back to like a primitive, more tribal culture and like explaining how much value you could get for something silly like that. You know, like there was this watch and I could buy houses and have control vast lands and get unlimited food and make people of all varieties do all the things I wanted just from this one little token and they'd be like well what does it do and you're like nothing

does nothing but it's valuable you know they would be like what the fuck are you talking about like it's not a better arrow it's not a better you know it's just it's one of these things that comes up when you get a society of of luxury like we have. Yeah. The status purchase. The status purchase. It's interesting. They're not even good. A lot of them are not good. Like, I've never bought a Rolex for myself,

but the UFC bought me a Rolex a long time ago. It's just, it's a beautiful watch, right? It's beautiful. But it was always running fast, like five minutes fast. So I brought it in, and I'm like, I don't know what it is, but after a month, it's beautiful, but it was always running fast like five minutes fast So I brought it in and I'm like this. I don't know what it is, but like after a month It's like five minutes fast the guy goes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they always do that So you just got to bring it back and reset it every month. I went what I give the change the time every month This this watch. I don't know how much it cost. I remember but I don't have to change the time. It's always right

It's right it runs. It's always right. It's right. It runs. It's got a quartz movement. He's like, oh, yeah, quartz movement is just going to be more accurate than this. Well, why is, what? Wait a minute. So these are just bad? They just suck at telling the time?

They're fucking so bad at telling the time. They're like five seconds fast or five minutes fast after like just a couple of months. So you just got to accept that. That's it. You just accept it doesn't really keep time. It sort of keeps time. It's the status bracelet that happens to keep time. How weird is that?

Yeah. Like, they're not good at it? You have to check? Like, let's see. Oh, no. Watch is off. Hold on. Watch.

Like, your watch just gets off. Like, you rely on the actual real clocks. Like, this fucking piece of shit that we, what did we spend? Like, four bucks on this that thing's right all the time it's never wrong you wind that bitch up to four o'clock and when it's five it'll show you it's five it's fucking right it's always right didn't cost anything yep yep but it's rolex bitch doesn't satisfy the ego in the same way. Doesn't get it fired up. Doesn't let you get to feel better about yourself.

So that, you know, I think when you really don't know, again, going back, you don't know the self. You want to feel better about yourself by making yourself better than somebody else. Because you have no other reference point of what it is. So, all right, if I'm better than these other people, you know, whether it's something you have or something you are inherently or the melanin in your skin or whatever the fuck you want to say, if that makes you better than someone else, then you can, um, then you can feel better about yourself. Well, I don't know who I am. I don't know if I'm good or bad, but at least I'm better than these fucks, you know, and then that makes you feel better. But it's all, it's all this fucking bullshit game that we try to tell ourselves that comes from the fundamental lack of knowing who we are and knowing that whoever we are

is enough and it's all good and we're all the same you say that but boris the guy with that fucking transformer on his wrist is getting his dick sucked right now while drinking vodka flying his private jet over the atlantic he disagrees with you that That girl knows that that's a $250 million watch, whatever the fuck he's wearing. She knows he's balling out of control on his private jet. It's covered with feathers. Yeah. Yeah. Boris got his whole jet decked out like an eagle.

The wings actually flap somehow. It makes the the flying worse but they flap just for effect and that's when he starts coming oh when the eagle wings flap while he's looking at his watch oh he looks at his watch at the girl and then out the window in that order the best the best moment of his life yeah and then he shoots himself in the head because he knows it'll never be any better everything has been building to that yeah he shoots a couple holes in the plane so that it fucking crashes and then shoots himself well the eagle wings would clearly bring the plane down actually the minute you activated eagle wing mode that plane is fucking taking a nosedive.

Taking a Captain Sully. No one's ever gone out on top, right? No one's ever had the ultimate life like that. And they just said, I think it doesn't get any better than this. Let's just, we're good. We're good. Boom. No.

I was watching the Lomachenko-Walters fight the other night. Did you see that fight? That boxing match? God damn. Vasyl Lomachenko. I think you say Vasyl. Vasyl Lomachenko-Walters fight the other night. Did you see that fight, that boxing match? God damn. I think you say Vasyl Lomachenko. Vasily. I've heard Vasily. But Lomachenko is a masterful boxer.

I mean, he just boxed the shit out of this dude. This dude was undefeated. And just footwork, just unbelievable footwork and ability to predict where the punches are coming from his opponent, where he's going to have openings. And he was just lighting this dude up in the last round. And at the end of the last round, the dude just quit. He just quit. He quit in the seventh round.

Just said, I'm done. Like, he didn't get knocked down. He didn't get, like, he got staggered in the sixth round. Or in the seventh round, he got staggered. But it wasn't to the point where he thought they would end the fight, because he ended the round on his feet, went back to his corner, walked, sat down, was like, fuck this. So it's over. And then, you know, in his post-fight speech, he's just basically saying, look, the guy was hitting me too much.

I just saw the writing on the wall. Check, please. Yeah, that's smart. Actually, more people should do that. You just want to see him for your own desires. You want to see him go out on their shield. Like, that's the. Actually, more people should do that. You just want to see them for your own desires. You want to see them go out on their shield. That's the noble way to do it is to let him knock you out. Do you know why?

Pat Barry versus Chet Congo. Remember that shit? Yeah, you just never know. Never know. Pat Barry versus Chet Congo was like one of the craziest one-round slobber knockers ever. Pat Barry had Chet Congo all kinds of hurt had him staggered and pat barry's super aggressive he's turning it on and smashing check congo and out of nowhere congo on corksaw bomb i mean pat has got check congo all kinds of hurt he rocks him with that

overhand right. Congo gets up. He's tagging him, and it looks like he's almost out on his feet. I mean, he's getting hit by bombs here. He's all kinds of hurt. Pat Barry's sprawling. He keeps the fight standing as Congo tries to take him down. He hits him with another right hand.

Rocks him again. Boom. Another couple punches. I mean, Pat Barry looks fucking unstoppable here. Look at this. Again. But now, as he closes in, boom, he gets clipped with that right hand and then out cold. Two punches later. Yep.

Out of nowhere. Crazy. I mean, that is as close as someone's come to the brink of disaster and come back instantaneously. Instantaneously and won by knockout. Didn't Chris Lieben do that to somebody? Yeah, to Vanderlei. He did that to Vanderlei. He starched Vanderlei.

Vanderlei came out and blasted him with the right hand, had him hurt, but he fell into the trap because Lieben punches so fucking hard, and he always had an iron chin, and he just uncorked one on Vanderlei, and Vanderlei went, uh-oh. Similar thing happened this weekend, right? Did you watch the, was it Derek Brunson fought? Yes. Well, similar in a way, but more calculated.

Derek Brunson just got crazy. And he fought Robert Whitaker, who won Ultimate Fighter Australia, the Smashes edition. Was it Australia versus England? Is that what it was? No. I forget what it was. Who was competing? Anyway, Whitaker won.

And Whitaker, since moving up to 185, he's so much better than he was at 170. And Derek Brunson just came after him. Derek Brunson's the same guy who he had just knocked out Uriah Hall. He caught him with a beautiful left hook and hurt him. And it was just a crazy fight. And then he came back from that, sort of employed the same strategy against Whitaker but Whitaker kept it together kept together got he ate a lot of shots kept moving though kept his hands up kept his composure and then finally found an opening boom dropped one on

Brunson and then had Brunson crazy hurt and then moved in on him so it was an awesome it was an awesome exhibition for Whitaker show that Whitaker can overcome the storm of like a super confident really dangerous guy who hits fucking hard who's had a lot of confidence because of his most recent success doing that I mean Brunson came after him really really came after him super aggressive maybe too aggressive for sure in now in hindsight you could say that but a lot of people other than Whitaker probably would have wilted to that storm yeah so it's interesting it was a really stern test for Whitaker and showed you how strong he is yeah it was one of the one of the beautiful aspects of watching these different this chess play out with the whole body being utilized you know you're never going to beat it for its excitement level no you have to realize while you're watching it that like life, nobody gets out for free.

Yeah. Like life. I mean, it's almost a microcosm of life. It's crazy struggle and it, you know, it doesn't always end your way. It's just what competition is in mixed martial arts is the most extreme version of problem solving we have outside of war. It's the most extreme with dire physical consequences. you get brained, like we saw Pat Berry get KO'd there. You know, I mean, that's the consequences of this game.

But the reality or the take is, nobody gets out anyway alive. Like, you can, if you choose to experience this, this extremely high level, very short burst, understand how much resources you're burning off, understand what you're doing, and, you know, proceed wisely. When I talk to fighters who, you know, sometimes question, like, man, what am I doing to myself? I'm just beating people up, and that's what I do. You know, to remind, like, remind them that what really is happening is two people are coming to an agreement to provide a form of resistance for each other, like at the highest level of what this is, like you're going to come face to face with someone who's also training and also striving to do everything that you're

trying to do, which is what's going to push you up against that form of resistance and give you an opportunity not only to overcome physically, but overcome emotionally, spiritually, psychically, everything, you know, you'll have to bring everything to bear against, but overcome emotionally, spiritually, psychically, everything. You know, you'll have to bring everything to bear against that form of resistance, whether it's the weight cut or the opponent or the training or everything. And there's something to be said for that. Obviously, the only issue for a lot of people is that you end up paying that price not only then, but later if you get the brain damage, you know, and that's that's the only bummer of it and something that to be considered. But if it wasn't for that, man, what a fucking beautiful way to do it.

Like to get everything, everything all together, unified in one and provide that ultimate form of resistance is like unbeatable. It's definitely the most difficult physical challenge that we know of because you're competing especially at the highest level you're competing with someone who's the same size as you has a commensurate level of expertise as you and is as motivated as you are to win and you're in this crazy competition together where you're literally playing a game of press the button. Who can shut off whose central nervous system quicker? What? Fucking crazy game. You're never going to duplicate the excitement of that with any other sport. You come close.

I guess football is probably pretty close for people. Boxing is probably right up there in moments. You know, like when Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Pacquiao, he hit him with that beautiful, clean, straight punch and just flattened Pacquiao. That was about as dramatic a moment as you get in any sort of combat sport. You see a superhero like Pacquiao get leveled with one shot. Like, whoa.

But that whoa is just so much more prevalent in mixed martial arts. That whoa happens so much more often in mixed martial arts that whoa happens so much more often it's a totally different thing and i think the the more rules that you put in in in front of that kind of primal conflict you know the the a little bit more it it kind of separates and makes it a sport you know like when you see boxers kind of grabbing each other and doing nothing about it you know that's when that moment of like, oh, yeah, this is a sport. Right. Whereas in MMA, there's fewer of those moments where you go like, oh, yeah, this is a sport.

It really just feels like people fighting to the death. Yeah. The only moments where you go, it's a sport. It's like you can't grab the fence or you can't punch the balls or, oh, he poked it high. Time out. Yeah. Yeah. There's moments in boxing where you go, well, this is kind of silly.

How come he can just hang on like this? How come that guy can't trip you and take you down? How come he can't kick your legs? Right. You know? It's really hard for me to watch boxing sometimes and not think about kicking someone's legs. Or someone kicking someone's legs, rather. Not that I'm running around, man, I want to kick people.

I mean, I see the way they're standing. And I like yeah well this is little thighs yeah like this is effective as long as someone's not kicking your legs yeah you know but if you're you're fighting the same fight but you're you know you're fighting someone like um joe schilling it's gonna be fucking kicking the shit out of your legs yeah you know it's a totally different experience and he's a long dude she's gonna be standing way on the outside and if you don't know how to deal with that You're only gonna be able to absorb a few of those before you're useless Yeah, or you think of like Badr Hari's like leaping over hand, right where he commits everything all of his childhood pain Into that right hand, right? You can't do that all the time in MMA because someone will just go duck underneath it and double-leg you but he's never had to

Worry about that. So, you know, it's still still he's one of the most exciting motherf leg you. But he's never had to worry about that. So, you know, still he's one of the most exciting motherfuckers ever. And he's fighting again soon. He's fighting Rico Verhoeven. That's going to be amazing. December 10th. Yeah, that's a crazy night. There's a gang of fights that night.

That same night, Bernard Hopkins is the 17th. He's making his final fight. But that same night is the UFC from Toronto. It's glory, and there's something else going on that night, too. There's some sort of a boxing fight that night as well. But it's a crazy night. That's a weird fight, man. Verhoeven and Badr Hari. Badr Hari's a scary dude.

Yeah, literally. Yeah, in many ways. So fun to watch. He's one of my favorites ever. Like you said, he just commits. Commits in this extremely violent way. And sometimes he gets carried out on a shield, you know? And sometimes he goes out.

And he clearly can't shut that off. Like once he gets that thing going, I mean, he'll want to stomp his boning after they're down. And he's just a fucking savage. Yeah, he's definitely, I would love to see their laundry list of Mexican supplements. I'm like, what kind of cocktail are you guys running here? He definitely has hair braided around his dick like Princess Leia. Dude, he's so big now. Have you seen him?

Have you seen the most recent photos of Botter? Pull up the recent photos of Botter Hardy because he put some photos on Instagram of him training. And, you know, I took a picture of him with his shirt off. And you're like, what? Jesus Christ. He looks like he's about 250 now, something like that. And he's a big giant dude. He's always been a big giant dude.

But he's, like, super, super muscled out now. Look at this shit. He's fucking jacked, dude. He's fucking jacked. There's some other photos that are maybe a little bit clearer. There it is right there, that one in the middle. What in the fuck is going on there? That dude's gigantic now.

Yeah. That's terrifying. That's gigantic. He's so much bigger than he was when he first started. When he first started kickboxing, he was this long, tall, thin guy. he was when he first started when he first started kickboxing he was this long tall thin guy because he started like some of his early fights that i've seen during the k1 days even he was way skinnier like back in the day and then uh kickball like put uh you want to see something put badr hari versus stefan lecco um and that was just type in lecco yeah there it is, Stefan Lecco

and this is Badr Hari, look at what he looked like back then, upper left, upper left image yeah that's Badr Hari then, look at the difference crazy he hit Stefan Lecco with a spinning back kick to the face and flattened him they had fought previously and Lecco stopped him with a spinning back kick to the body

so in the rematch he hit him with one in the face. Crazy. That's a great picture. Yeah, beautiful. You can see this. Find the video. Find the video.

Potter Hari K.O. Stefan Leko. There it is. You've got to think that this dude's probably put on like 50 pounds or something. Yeah. This is Leko?cco oh this is Dubai 2014 I think this is the other one this is that was yeah that's it you just had it right there this is it here comes he throws one he misses but look how skinny is here man yeah total different guy different self yeah here it goes watch it he set it up sets it up with a jab he faked it to the body then boom goes up top damn flat line nothing quite like a like that barbosa kick yeah that was almost a different one though he did it a side kick to the face it was uh he didn't do it

as like a wheel kick if you watch it again like rewind a bit. He shot it as a straight kick. Rewind it. He threw it as if you see how he's throwing it there, he threw it to the body. That's a spinning sidekick or a turning sidekick. He's not doing it as a back kick. If he did, the toes would be down. But see how he went up there? That was just a turning sidekick to the face. It's kind of halfway between

both. Halfway between a wheel kick and a spinning back kick or a turning side kick. But it was fucking beautiful. Boom. Looks more like a wheel kick when I look at it there. But Jesus Christ, perfect. Yep. Right on the button.

And Stefan Lecko, he was a great fighter too, man. That guy, he knocked a lot of dudes out. Saw him knock out Peter Ertz in Vegas when K-1 was just starting to come up. They were putting on some shows in Vegas just before the UFC was big. They thought that K-1 would, I still think it could have, if it was promoted properly,

could have gotten a grip in North America. Well, that's why Glory's pushing that boulder now. Glory's a good example, and so is Lion Fight. I prefer the rules of Lion Fight, though, because Lion Fight is full Muay Thai. Yeah, elbows. We went to one of those in Vegas.

Yeah, that's one of the few things that I go to see live. I still like to go see live. Fuck, man. High-level Muay Thai in America, it's like the level of the fights is very high. It's just people aren't just totally not aware of it yet. They need to be, though. It's crazy exciting.

And there's so much talent. It's not like this is an exciting thing, but only five guys are good at it. It's an exciting thing, especially in the lighter weights. Like Thailand's full of fucking killers. They've got a ton of them in Europe. They've got them all over the globe. There's so many good Muay Thai fighters out there. They there they just for whatever reason we haven't caught on yet that's why i think when i think about this time i think it's the best time ever because we get to see all

of these incredible contests still extremely physical like we're still at the rising peak of our physical prowess but we're also at the peak of our technological prowess and the peak of our physical prowess, but we're also at the peak of our technological prowess and the peak of our ability to access all of the best foods and access the best ideas and all of the different things that can shape us. Like as pessimistic as people get, it is for sure the best of times right now, you know, for the majority of people. Now, obviously there are hells on the planet still. There's hells that we can put ourselves in there's suffering but overall on the macro level it's a fucking it's the golden age now for sure anybody who argues with that's an asshole yeah yeah i want to go back to a time where you had to speak with grunts and even in the future like i can't imagine that the i i guess maybe maybe it would like maybe

we've just seen too many gray aliens you aliens where the body kind of becomes less and less important and everything is focused on the consciousness. to strive and train and feel all of the physical things as well as, you know, reach incredible heights in consciousness and meditation and, you know, community and these, these great things. I think, you know, I think really no matter what stage before or after, I think we'll look back at this one. Like this was a special fucking time. It's definitely a special time, but I think every time is a special time because every time, no matter where you are on the timescale If you're in that moment, you're in the most present time You're in the most current time and I guarantee you at every step of the way People were longing with nostalgia for the past. I bet they were like goddamn man who used to rape

Just run across the village and chop heads off and shit good old days, bro Yeah, good times before they started writing things down on paper and chop heads off and shit. Good old days, bro. Yeah. Good times before they started writing things down on paper. You know, there's probably a lot of people that missed that. They missed just shooting arrows, just launching them in the air and whoever's over there, fuck them.

They did. They made it rain arrows from the sky. And like 50 years after that was over, some Viking king had a slogan, let Denmark rape again. Everybody was excited. Let Denmark rape again. Everybody was excited. Let Denmark rape again. Let the killings begin anew. But that was a big problem with Japan is that they didn't want to embrace the gun.

They're like, no, you pussies. You can't be fucking shooting people with guns. That's such a bitch ass way to go. You got to use swords. Come on. Come on. Don't be a bitch. But they held on too long. They didn't embrace the gun. They needed to get on that Come on. Don't be a bitch. But they held on too long.

They didn't embrace the gun. They needed to get on that right away. If they had the Japanese engineering that you see today in Lexus, if they had applied that to guns back in the day, that same know-how and discipline. They'd have the best guns. They'd have the best guns. But you dedicate yourself and become masters in the world at swordsmanship. And then the gun comes along like, fuck. What the fuck is this fuck this trumps

all of my years of work with the sword yeah yeah man they made it easy i mean it's sort of like a supermarket did for versus being a substance uh living off the land type person you know if you've watched those shows from uh alaska where the people are all living you know, grow their own vegetables and shit and they catch fish in the river. There's something romantic about it. Right. There's something that drags. I love those shows, man. I watch those shows all the time.

The simplicity of it. You know, you like, you know, your purpose every day. And I think when people know their purpose, my purpose is to survive, get food, stay warm, you know, and make babies. Like, it's really comforting to know what your purpose is. Well, yeah. And especially if you don't have any internet like before they got on television i wonder how much access to internet they even had up there i'm like watch this one family that apparently you know that uh that singer jewel do you know who she is she has uh one snaggletooth but she's very beautiful and people like the fact that she doesn't fix her teeth because she's imperfect yet perfect um she's apparently from this one family that has this show.

God damn it, Alaska, The Final Frontier? Is that the name of it? But anyway, it's her relatives. Yeah. I feel like close relatives. Yeah, that's wild. That live up there in this crazy way. And it's, you know, real simple.

Like some of them farm and they raise cattle and they have to like move their cattle across this area to take them to where they graze. And they drop them off and they have to move them back at the end of the year. It's nuts. And so while they're up there doing this, grizzly bears just start ripping their fucking cows apart. So now they have to go and deal with these, you know, 11 foot tall giant dog things that need food constantly to consume. And on one hand, you can't blame them. Like these fat, stupid cows just wandering around over by the grass. All they have to do is go by the grass.

There's fucking hundreds of them. Where else are they going to find hundreds of things that they can eat? Nowhere. Like you just put out a buffet in front of the grizz going to find hundreds of things that they can eat? Nowhere. Like, you just put out a buffet in front of the grizzly bear, and you're mad that they're eating. It's a bear supermarket. So he had to hunt them down. It's crazy watching this guy, because although it is reality TV, and you do not know how much of this show is bullshit, because clearly some of it's bullshit.

There's clearly some setup. Because clearly some of it's bullshit. There's clearly some setup. Like I saw one scene where they had a filleted salmon. And the bear was supposedly getting fish from the river. And it was coming too close to them while they were fishing. But you never saw the two of them in the same frame. And then you see the bear.

And the bear has a salmon that's filleted. Meaning like someone cut that salmon and threw it in the water and gave it to the fucking bear. Which is like, come on, stupid. So you guys are the only people here, but yet the bear, you haven't caught a fish yet, but the bear is a fish that has fillets removed off of it. Shut the fuck up, man. I'm not stupid. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the TV game. But it does give you like a little window into the wild ways that all of us humans live. It gives a window. Which is cool. Like when I got to um there's this book before they pass away and i think you talked you gave me that book yeah i gave you that book yeah the book's amazing it's amazing photos but then you start reading about

these different cultures like i actually had the the photographer on my podcast and he was telling me about um what is his name it's called before they pass jimmy nelson jimmy nelson jimmy nelson so jimmy nelson was on the podcast and and he was talking about the Himba people, which have these amazing photos. They're like a really tall tribe, and I believe it was the Himba. And he was telling me about their custom. They live in just such a dramatically different way. So they're like a pastoral shepherding kind of tribe. So they have all of their cows, but there's very little grass.

So the men have to take the cows on these long walks to feed them like four weeks away right but what they do is they leave one man behind in the in the village and it's his job to sexually satisfy all the women while all the men are gone and that position rotates right so that everybody gets their turn as the one dude that gets to sexually satisfy the entire village one of girls get pissed if it's all this motherfucker has his turn yeah i hate his little dirty dick time to watch his little tiny dirty dick yeah like there's certain guys that they're never they're never on vacation for yeah when it's

that guy's turn around some girls will like hold out. They're like, I'm good. I'm good. You can go fuck my friends. I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait until Igor's turn. Igor slangs that good dick. No, I wouldn't want that. I only want her pleasure to come from my penis.

My penis alone. I heard of the massage man. The way he touched her anus and made her come so hard i hate him with all my being one day i will remove him from this life with a sword it's so funny that someone who you love someone else makes that person who you love gives them pleasure and especially if they ate their ass she's got her ass up in the air she's backing up into his tongue uh-uh nope no no no no no no no that's the thing that makes you vomit as a man because it's it triggers these these things but it can all be worked through like you can push through the other side and that's you know or you could shoot yourself or you could or i think we played that we played that country song where it's

like i flash my headlights at her window and you get all fucking crazy in your head about her just be like oh the pleasure monkey's getting pleasure great yeah well men who freak out about other like girl their girl liking another guy like man you can't win that one you gotta let it go because here's the thing when someone likes someone they fucking like someone and you're gonna accept i can't win that one. You gotta let it go. Because here's the thing. When someone likes someone, they fucking like someone. And you're gonna accept, I can't believe it's fucking cold. I'm gonna go for a walk naked. Don't do it. You're gonna freeze to death. Fuck that. I like walking naked.

I know you like walking naked, but you can't go walking naked. You're gonna fucking freeze to death. There's a reality of going outside when it's 30 below zero. Right? Okay. Well, the same reality applies when someone doesn't like you. If a girl does not want to have sex with you, but she wants to fuck The Rock, there's not a lot you could say about it, okay? She's not, well, you know, The Rock doesn't love you the way I love you because I love you forever and eternity.

And it's not even like the body, it's like the soul. No, it's not going to work. She's thinking of The Rock and his giant Samoan dick just ramming it home. That's what she wants, okay? You've got to accept that, and you're going to have to enjoy another aspect of life other than having sex with this one person who's now having sex with a rock. Or be happy for her. Be like, man, that's fucking awesome.

That's not going to happen. Let's be real. You know, just- Exactly. Look at that photo. Is that when he's holding one of the- He slings those fucking Bigfoots, bro. Those Primal Bells that we have. He slings that thing Bigfoots, bro. Those primal bells that we have.

He slings that thing around like it's nothing. That's an enormous human, dude. It's possible to make that move, man. I mean, I've been working on it in my own life. It's fucking possible. It's hard. It's hard as fuck. But, you know, you can transcend these things where, and just understand that deeper metaphysical truth.

Pleasure for someone I love makes that person my friend, not my enemy. Of course, in theory, I believe you. But for the sake of humor, I'm going to keep talking shit about The Rock. Banging your sister. There he is. He's got a gorilla there. Can't believe he used two hands. What a bitch.

I threw that around with one. Yeah, The Rock. It's a strong human, man. And you know what? Not just strong physically, but strong in his personality, the way he projects himself. He's a perfect example of someone who projects this very positive vibe, man. He's like this very energetic, positive, happy vibe. It's very infectious.

I see that guy talking. He does YouTube clips or Instagram clips, rather, little videos he makes. I see that guy talking. He does YouTube clips or Instagram clips, rather, little videos he makes. And his positivity and genuine enthusiasm and happiness is so infectious. I'm a fucking fanboy of The Rock. I said it. I fucking said it.

I don't care. You know who's got a great bit? Andrew Santino. I'm not going to give out a word of it. I cannot. I cannot even. But if you get a chance andrew santino has a fucking hilarious bit about the rock god damn it's good it's really funny but um that kind of person man like those are fuel those those are that's human fuel that guy's like a light

so like i mean i've come to look at ourselves like a like a software operating system that can constantly get rewritten a little bit by even by the people that you're around. Whether it's you want to look from the point of mirror neurons, you're actually experiencing the same emotional state that the person you're around. Or if it's just ideas or thoughts or however you want to look at it, it's like adding a little bit of code to our code base. And sometimes it's helpful and sometimes it's a virus. But the more you surround yourself with people with that kind of positive vibe, it's like building on the software in a positive way. When you're around these more negative people, they're implanting different little bugs and viruses that you're going to have to scan and remove later. We're essentially all open source. Exactly.

100%. All human beings are open source. But mind your firewall. Totally. Totally. Exactly. A hundred percent. Open source operating system. All human beings are open source, but, you know, mind your firewall. Totally. Totally. Gotta be careful. Put yourself in situations where you're adding to that positive code base, the books you're reading, the things you're listening to, you know, and be careful of the things on TV too

that are adding to the, you know, creating more of the viruses, like supporting these negative thought patterns, these limiting beliefs, these things that are not helpful for the co-pays. And don't be so committed to these things that you have in your idea, in your mind. Don't be so set in your ideas. Because understand that people have to be just as set in their ideas in order to lash someone for being in close proximity with a man. Or to lash someone who had sex with a woman. for being in close proximity with a man, or to lash someone who had sex with a woman.

Those people have the same, or to wait till a woman who's pregnant gives birth before you give her a beating with a stick because she had sex. Those people believe what they believe just as firmly. And a lot of the notions that we have that we think they're rigid rules, they're not rigid rules, except dudes with man buns, let it okay let it go stop twisting your mustache in a circle

no more man bun no more pocket watch fuck you how about that says the man with the fanny pack unironically but you know I'm saying yeah man buns they're not necessary what are you doing steven seagal he doesn't even wear one anymore he gave it up i got some man bun friends they're gonna be disappointed i know they are they're trying hard they're trying hard to wear that vest yeah those weird shoes with the wooden soles everybody just everybody's just looking for love and they're looking to judge themselves as a good person, you know, and that's,

that's, those are two things that you can get yourself. You know, you can understand that you're worthy of love and supply that and you can understand

that you're a good person just being a person. Like, you know, you don't have to be better than somebody. You don't have to shit on somebody. You don't have to have

this identity. You know, everybody could just relax and I think all of, a lot of this striving and conflict and suffering, you know everybody could just relax and i think all of a lot of this striving and conflict and suffering you know just fucking falls away like you're worthy of love it's so easy to say like that's a beautiful concept you're worthy of love but i think people have to experience a certain amount of difficulty in their life just to exercise their system

i think our system is put in place to have a certain amount of obstacles to overcome and when we don't have any or when it's like really simple stuff that's fucking boring, you know, I think people have real problems with that. I think we have real problems with our minds, real problems physically with our entire unit. I think we absolutely need a certain amount of exertion. You know, and I mean, it might not even be physical. Like my friend Jerron, Jerron Horton, I went to Colorado with mean, it might not even be physical. Like my friend, Jaron, Jaron Horton, I went to Colorado with him. We did a gig out there. He just got into chess, just a madman with the chess now, playing on his phone, constantly moving things around.

And he's like, you want to play? I'm like, fuck that. I'm not getting sucked into that goddamn rabbit hole. I see him there on the plane. Can't wait to play chess. As soon as we're off in the sky, he's all fucking with his phone shit. That is another discipline. I mean, they're all disciplines. They're all these different things that you try to seek truth through. I mean, chess is a form of combat. You know, it's just not painful.

But it's most certainly, yeah, it's a form of combat. It's absolutely a form of, it's a contest. You know, if you treat it as a war, I mean, that is essentially what you're doing. Like, you're breaking it down to a very innocuous, very safe, but very obvious what's going on. I'm testing my intellect against your intellect, and we're going to do so through a very established series of movements that these things are allowed to participate in. We have an established playing field. You know the rules. I know the rules. I know the rules. I think I'm smarter than you.

Go. And you have that little clock thing that those dudes have. Those dudes, they fuck with you, so they move it quick, and they hit that fucking clock. And you want to move it quick, too. You want to say, fuck you, bitch. I know that. Click, clack, click, clack, click, clack, click, clack. And you see them giving up pieces and moving fast.

That's some mental war. They're playing a mental, some sort of a strategic conquest game. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's one of, like you said, that discipline. There's so many ways up the mountain, but you need a mountain. You need something. You need a mountain. I mean, it doesn't, it's not mutually exclusive to, you know, the self-love aspect.

You can still find your mountain, you know, without thinking you're a piece of shit when you stumble because everybody fucking stumbles. It doesn't mean you're a piece of shit. It doesn't mean that you should hate yourself. It doesn't mean that you should isolate yourself from the love of the world because you feel that you're not worthy of it. And this create these negative patterns like, yes, go out fucking find your mountain. But when you stumble, like everybody fucking does understand that that's just life., we're all going to stumble. You just get up and keep going. Maybe you, bitch. I'm not stumbling. I got this new thing I'm doing, bro.

I'm doing a lot of tightrope walking in the house. I got rope set up all around the house. Tightrope walking to the kitchen. Figured somebody could do it. I saw this thing. This dude lives in the mountains, just tightropes to work. I mean, someone tightropes, right,

across these giant spaces. What's to stop people from just doing that all the time? From creating, like, a civilization high up in the sky. If you fall down, you're fucked. So don't fall and just tightrope. Because people love to drink. That's why. That's the problem.

That's why. You got to get that psychedelic honey. That helps you tightrope better. Tightrope over to the psychedelic honeycomb, snatch it while they're... You got to stay calm while they're stinging the fuck out of you and you're stealing beehive stuff. You ever tried, you ever gone skiing on mushrooms?

You were telling me how awesome that is. Oh man. And I need to try it. It's the best. Skiing to me is a, it's a weird thing. It's like, I can do it, but I'm always like the consequences of this like little bit of fun is really not worth it. Like I do it because my family likes to do it but i'm always like the consequences of this like little bit of fun is really not worth it like i do it because my family likes to do it but part of me is like don't fall down bitch don't fall

down bitch don't fall down bitch okay here we go again don't fall down bitch don't fall down yeah i mean it's fun i get it and if i was better at it it'd probably be even more fun but it's like dude i know too many people that have fucked their bodies up skiing i mean fucked up blowing their kneecap up to the side of their hip and their fucking legs broken seven places and their necks never moving to the left ever again and like whoa what happened i hit a tree i'm one of the lucky ones i think that's people that's why people like skiing and even why people like riding a motorcycle it It's like the stakes are high. When the stakes are high, you have to focus on what you're doing.

And then you're present again. So it's fun. Yeah. Got to get better at it. That's what it is. Just coming up with bitch ass excuses. But what's easier, snowboarding or skiing? Skiing, I think.

Really? Interesting. Well, at least for me when I've tried it. Snowboarding, the falls are way gnarlier and because like when you fall when you fall and you catch like your toe edge like you slam back oh yeah i've gotten i i hit my head so hard coming from a steep mountain down into a flat and caught an edge on this icy part i hit the back of my head so hard that the front of my goggle lenses popped off into the air like a fucking pop tart out of a toaster right and i was fucked like i

couldn't get KO'd yeah yeah i was out woke up people were like helpfully you know like terrified helpfully like you okay and so that probably wouldn't happen if you're skiing huh it can but it's less likely because the way that you catch that edge and just like hook up the hook up the board and it's like a slingshot it just whams your head back down where skiing you'll like usually skid out or tumble or right you know one of those things so yeah i think the con i mean that's why it makes it harder to learn because there's these fucking fatal crashes you do on a snowboard. Yeah, and skiing too, man. Sometimes some people get too close to you. Like that's another problem.

Like they don't know how to control themselves very good, and they're kind of like out of control. And so you have to kind of like adjust quickly to get away from them. Like, oh, shit, like this lady was coming down like, ah. Like it looked like she was going to go down hard, but she got by me. I'm like, oh, shit, I got to duck this lady. And so I had to take a hard left, but then the trees are right there. I'm like, fuck, I got to take a hard right.

Oh, it ain't working. Boom. And I started, but I was fine, but I was like, ooh, boy, like that can go wrong if you're in the wrong spot when that happens. Like if there's a tree there and you cannot get away from that tree, like you got to be real fucking careful who you zig and zag i'll take that bitch out next time like if we're near a tree sorry lady we're both going down together i hope you know how to fall yes like what they say don't swerve for the deer

ah yeah you're supposed to just hit the gas right no no you're supposed to not do anything yeah supposed to just let it hit your car but that that's ridiculous. That's like saying don't blink when someone punches you. How many deers do you get to hit before you realize not to hit the gas? It would be like, have you ever seen a picture of Floyd Mayweather eating a jab? He's getting a punch to the face, but his eyes are wide open and he's punching back. Because he's so conditioned to being punched, he's so used to it, that he can keep his eyes open as the punches are coming in and then counter perfectly. You're not going to have that kind of resolve with a deer. No. You hit that break yeah you're gonna swerve gotta get one of them giant fucking meat cleaver bumpers that they

have like people live in wyoming and shit they have those road warrior bumpers on their trucks it just makes different steaks from when you hit it it's like cut and like t-bone and then it's like it's like extruded like Play-Doh. Yeah. You have to like, some places you can't just throw it in the back of your truck either. You have to kind of call somebody and prove that you hit it that way because they want to discourage poaching. Which makes a lot of sense, man. But, fuck, man.

Deer jumping in front of your car. What are the odds that you're going to go, okay, you can't hit those brakes. Remember, they said just don't swerve. Just hit the deer. Fuck that. I think some people are better at that super calm moment of, like, decision making in crisis. Like, I've been around people in certain situations that, like, you can't prepare for. And then there's some people

who just freeze like straight fucking freeze yeah and then some people who act and i think like all like off police officers and military they train yourself past the freeze but it's funny like i was in australia and this dude was drinking bundaberg overproof rum and he was used to doing this trick with regular bundaberg rum which is Bundaberg rum where he lights it on fire and pours it in his mouth and it goes out when it hits his mouth but he was doing it instead with overproof rum right which he'd never done before well the thing with overproof from is that motherfucker doesn't go out ever period like the wind is not gonna get out so he's pouring this flaming shot and it doesn't go out and so his face catches

fire oh Jesus full full-on Hellraiser face catches fire. He's in the kitchen of the house we're renting. Oh, Jesus. And like everybody is just looking at him. He's clawing at his face. It's not working, obviously. He doesn't know what to do. Right.

And then I'm looking at him and I don't know what the fuck to do. And everybody's just staying there. So I go to the faucet and I'm like trying to get water and like spray it on him from the faucet. Not the right thing. I should and like spray it on him from the faucet. Not the right thing. I should have put like a towel or a rug over his head. You know, but you just don't think. You're not prepared at that moment.

Right. And then so eventually he fucking rolls around on the ground and gets in, figures it out. Did he get burnt? He got burnt, but it was more like a facial. Like took the first layer off and he had like a nice laser peel for a little like when someone goes does that and then doesn't say anything you just go okay did you just visit the Sun a little bit like that he

ended up ended up being fine but I've been around other people like another incident was like a home stripper pole right and I was there with I was there with Roger Huerta right that's a house you should never buy I'm talking about a haunted house your own pole. There's a home super pole. And it was tied to the wall. And this girl gets on there and she's swinging. She's a little bit bigger.

We're all around. We're all kind of laughing. Everybody's clothed. We're all just laughing. And the pole goes like unhinges from the roof. And she's going timber from like 10 feet up, up inverted. Like it's going to be really bad. And literally everybody around the circle just looked like, damn, this is going to be bad.

And Roger just quickly like immediately moves over and like grabs the pole, like superhero style. And that's when I realized like that's a different dude. That's a dude that when that totally random thing happens, he has the ability to act instead of just look around like all of us dummies, like, damn, that's going to hurt. Yeah, that's a good point. That's hilarious. Well, Roger's the same guy that knocked out that fucking dude who punched that girl in Austin.

That was a crazy giant football player. This is when Roger was fighting the UFC, and he was fighting at 155 pounds. He's not a big guy. And this football player, who knows what the story was, walked up to some woman and punched her in the face. Punched her in the back of the head. Yeah.

So they were coming out of a club, and it was actually a club that we used to go to a lot. I just happened to be out of town that weekend. But we're coming out of the club, and this girl, like, he gets, the guy gets in, like, a fight with one of, like, her boyfriends or whatever, and then she's like. Well, show the whole thing because he punches the girl in the head. Show the whole thing from the beginning. This is the beginning.

But, no, you got to see a little bit of red there. There you go. Here it comes. Boom. Okay, watch this. Punches her right in the back of the head. Boom. And just flattens her and then walks away, and everybody's like, what the head. Boom. And just flattens her.

And then walks away. And everybody's like, what the fuck? Yeah. And this guy's huge. And look at Roger. Roger walks up to him. He's literally 100 pounds lighter than him. And I'm not kidding.

And Roger starts talking to him. Roger says at that point, you can't do that, man. You can't do that, man. Wow. And so Roger walks up and decides, okay, I'm taking my shirt off. And takes his shirt off because he doesn't want the dude to be able to grab his shirt like he's thinking strategically yeah like which is like way one step ahead it's not like he's gonna physically intimidate this guy the guy's giant and so roger's standing in front of this guy and the dude's big and looks like somebody else tried to jump in too yeah somebody else tried to jump in too. Yeah, somebody else tried to jump in on both sides

and stop him from fighting. That guy runs, and then Roger corners him by the truck, which you can't see going on right now, corners him by the truck. The guy swings. Roger somehow gets him in a Muay Thai clinch and starts kneeing him in the head and knees him in the head and then stomps him.

He gets him out cold and then stomps him and then runs. Old Pride rules style. And this all happens in 15, 20 seconds. Yeah. Maybe not even. It was really quick. Like, yeah, the whole video is only 2 minutes and 28 seconds long. And it became this viral, gigantic hit.

Whatever happened to that dude? Did he get in trouble for that? I don't know. I don't think so. I know that the police knew obviously that roger hit him and they just basically shook his hand and were like yeah hey all right we understand you know but uh i don't think anything ever happened to that dude but that was fucking brutal i mean he just went full full overhand right to the back of that chick's

head yeah you know but but he's just that type of dude. He also saved somebody from drowning on the beach. He did? Yeah. He just finds himself in situations and he acts, whereas other people might freeze or might not. Well, he had a brutal upbringing. And I think sometimes people that have overcome brutality when they're younger, they develop this ability to understand, like, oh, I've been here before. I know what this is all about. I know what this kind of chaos is. There's only one way out of this thing.

You've got to meet it head on. Whereas someone who's coddled, who grows up in a cushioned room, everything's dull, there's no sharp edges, that person, when confronted with some horrific situation, like some giant steroided-up football player punches a girl in the back of the head, and you've got to act, and that guy's 100 pounds bigger than you, and Roger just takes his shirt off roger's just like well i can't have him grab me yeah that's the dude you don't want to fuck with for sure the unemotional dude i really wish that

that he didn't have that falling out with the ufc yeah people forget that roger huerta was the first guy to ever be on the cover of uh sportsrated for MMA. He was on the fucking cover of Sports Illustrated. He was being groomed as one of the top guys. But there was some sort of dispute between him and the UFC. Who knows which side is correct? Who knows what happened? But he wound up leaving the UFC. He just won his last fight.

Did he? Is he in one now? Is he fighting over in one FC? Yeah. One FC's got some real talent, man. You know, they've got Ben Askren over there. But I heard it's crazy. You know who's got some real talent one now? Is he fighting over in 1FC? 1FC's got some real talent, man. They've got Ben Askren over there. But I heard it's crazy. You know who's got some real talent right now?

Bellator welterweight division. Douglas Lima just knocked out Koroskov. That guy who fucked up... What the hell's his name? He's beaten a few guys. Let me think. Koroskov. Where the fuck did he beat up god damn it what am I thinking of who give me his uh Korskov's last few

I know he fought Benson Henderson he beat Benson Henderson up when Benson came over to um to Bellator and he fought as a welterweight for the first time. And then Benson just fought... You got it? Oh, who... Wait a minute. Why does it say Douglas Lima twice? Douglas Lima's the opponent? Who is... Is this Korshkov? Oh, he lost to Douglas Lima twice?

He won the first one, lost the second one. Oh, he won the first one because Lima had a fucked up knee. That's right. And then he beat Benson, and then Lima just crushed him in the rematch. Which fight am I thinking of, man? God, I can't believe I can't remember which fight it was. But the Benson-Henderson one was a big one.

Even though it was a decision, you could tell the difference in size was pretty significant. But then when Lima fought Korchkov, you could see Lima looked way bigger than Koroshkov. And they've got Paul Daly. Okay, that's what it is. So Lima just, I'm getting all confused. Lima beat Paul Daly, who's super legit, and he beat him by decision and then just knocked out Koroshkov. For some reason I thought Lima, or I thought Daly had fought Koroshkov.

I fucked it up. But Daly's super legit. I mean, Daly's a scary fucking striker. Sure. So for Lima to beat him and to beat Benson Henderson, who's relatively undersized for the division, and then to knock out Koroshkov like that, I mean, that was stunning shit.

I think he's world class. And meanwhile, that guy was ragdolled by Ben Askren, who's the one FC champ. Ragdolled. Both of them were. Koroshkov and Lima, both ragdolled by Askren. Askren's a motherfucker, dude. Yeah, his wrestling's on another level.

When did he lose? When did Douglas Lima lose to Askren? Put up Lima's record again. Because he, did I fuck that up? Back in April. Back in April? 2012. 2012, yeah.

See, Lima's had some serious injuries. He had serious knee surgery. But that was quite a few years ago. But Ben Askren did that to him. He did that to Koroshkov. He's done that to a lot of dudes. He gets a hold of those guys and just they look like world beaters until he gets a hold of them. He drags them.

Lyman Good. He did it to Lyman Good, too. Same thing. Gets a hold of them. Drags them to the to lyman good he did it to lyman good too same thing gets a hold of them drags the ground beats the fuck out of them they can't get up this is crazy and he's so relaxed when i saw him do that to somebody he's like riding them like a bull yeah like waving to the crowd people are booing he doesn't care he doesn't give a fuck it's great i mean i it's one of my most uh perplexing puzzles in mma but he fought when he fought in um bellator when jay haran went over there jay haran gave him a hell of a fight and jay haran who was a very good fighter who didn't do so good in the ufc but was really talented and then went over and had this fight with Askren and Bellator.

I mean, Jay Haran was, you know, a good wrestler with a little bit better crisper striking than Askren and managed to keep it on the feet a lot. And Askren had a real problem with that. So that was one of those things where I was like, man, I want to see him against world-class fighters who know how to stuff that takedown, against a real good wrestler who knows how to stuff the takedown,

who's his size. But Michael Chandler just beat Benson Henderson, too. They've got real talent over there now. No doubt. But it's still one of those things where nobody watches it. It's like you look at the ratings. It's like they're lucky they get a few hundred thousand. Well, it's the human drama that people love.

And the bigger that personality, the more it's a celebrity, the more interested you are in the fight. You know, like you get to understand this character that Conor McGregor is, and it's part of the compelling nature of watching the fight. Like the personality people want to identify with it. It's like some, I think it's the difference between a good Epic movie and a shitty Epic movie, like a good Epic movie. You fall in love with the characters before the fucked up stuff happens that propels them on their hero's journey. You know, you can't just go straight out of the gate and show that that whole backstory happened. And then he's all of a sudden kicking ass like you want to be emotionally invested. And then every time they're swinging, you know, swinging a sword or every time you're watching them punch and take down, you're way more invested.

And I think boxing did that with 24-7. The UFC's done that with all of their embedded. And I think that's just something that they do better than anybody else. They get you emotionally invested into the fighter. And then when you're there, you know, that's when, that's when you really want to watch. There's also those epic personalities, those mega personalities that come around every few generations or once a generation or a couple of times a generation, I should probably say, like the Tysons or the Sugar Ray Leonards or the people that people are just so compelled to watch. And Connor's just one of those people. If he was in boxing and having the same sort of success, he'd be just as big. He'd be

gigantic. Sure. Yeah. I mean, if Triple G had his personality. Oh my God. Oh my God. I mean, Jesus Christ. But Triple g's not doing things the way connor's doing things not even close because connor has those little gloves on and you know he's fighting mma he's he's landing these one shots like that just stun guys and have them rocked and he's putting them away like he's got lead in his hands sort of a different thing like you see his fight with jose aldo. You very rarely see that happen 13 seconds in a world championship boxing match where someone connects with one shot and flatline somebody. That's in the realm of MMA almost exclusively in early fights like that. It's so rare that in a championship fight someone

knocks someone dead in 13 seconds. But in the UFC, it can happen all the time. I mean, it just fucking happens. There's a lot less armor on that button, on the lights-out button. Yeah. A lot less padding in there. A lot harder to defend, too. It's easier to defend with those big gloves. Yeah. There's so much going on with big gloves versus small gloves.

You see guys that have devoted their whole life to big glove defense, and then they come in, and the small gloves just don't offer the same sort of protection. Even look at Nicky Holskins' main defense. He gets in that kind of turtle pose where he pretty much is covering everything that's super important in his head with his gloves and forearms. You can't do that with little gloves. No, you can't. But, see, that's one of the cool things about watching a guy like Holskins, that he can do that.

With the big gloves, you're like, oh, look what he can do here. Right. You can't hit that guy. Well, he, did you ever see his fight with Raymond Daniels? Two fights. Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah, he walks him down, man. Just beats the legs up.

Walks him down, starts beating the fuck out of him. Yeah. Just absorbs those shots, keeps chop, chop, chopping away. He's a bad motherfucker, dude. There's a bunch of those guys now. away he's a bad motherfucker dude there's a bunch of those guys now i just uh i just hope that it gets the attention that it deserves because these guys are you know they're really risking their health in such a dramatic way well whitney's working for glory now i saw holla shout out to miss two jits i saw that dude i was like this is going to germany we were in um we're in here and

joe schilling and eve edwards and I did a glory fight companion. And we're like, oh, shit, look at what happened. Any of you motherfuckers. Does she like it? Yeah, she likes it. For some reason, I don't know what the reason is, but for some reason, it just never completely took root in America. But it's not because of the talent. I think it again you got to tell those stories you know that's what people want people you need to have invest way more in the in the pre-fight you know video crew that's

putting out these videos or get a reality tv show so i think that's a genius thing that the ufc did because you're exposing people to the personality of these characters and then when you watch them fight you care right you know that's the fucking missing piece it's not i think they're always looking at how can we improve the actual sport you got to improve you know the people's access inside these combatants and i think that's the that's the key you know another thing it doesn't seem like there's a number like a venue that is anything even remotely like the venues that used to exist just like 10 years ago as far as like putting a fight on showtime or putting a fight on hbo or putting a fight on nbc seems like 10 20 years ago you could have put muay thai on nbc at nine o'clock at night at some crazy muay thai night

and people would have got hooked like whoa this is. But now it seems like there's so many options for entertainment. It's really difficult to like lock in a substantial group of people just by putting something on a certain time at night. Like they have so many choices. There's almost too many choices. We're almost like overrun with possibilities to stare into the looking glass and get enchanted you know it's true and but i think ultimately that's our salvation you know you get all of the choices and then then you can really decide what you want you know i think we're going to be robots that's what i think i really conscious robots we're that anyways you know i think that's the

cool part about westworld is it's showing that like, where is robot? Where is consciousness at what level? And I think we're just a more complicated version of that. Yeah, man. Don't spoil the alert. I haven't seen the last episode. Yeah. Oh, the last one's next week.

OK. I've seen all of them up till now. I'm caught up. But a lot of people listening aren't. Yeah. Yeah. I think before that ever happens, before there's a place where you can go and interact with robots, you're going to be one. I think it's going to be way more likely that you're going to take people that have been injured, like soldiers that have lost a limb in a war.

They're going to replace them with better limbs. And the first person is going to offer to get their limbs cut off. It's probably going to be someone with a disease where the limbs don't work so well. They get them cut off and they win the Olympics, start jumping over buildings and shit. Next thing you know, everybody's like's like why not these regular legs and then one day it's going to get to a point where you can take your whole brain take that brain stick it in a fucking other body i think it's not necessarily the brain i think it's whatever that that thing that we call consciousness maybe that originates from the brain maybe it's something something separate but the

transfer of consciousness that's that's one of those archetypal stories, like a religious story, the shapeshifter. You find in so many cultures, someone who can transfer their consciousness to another vehicle. I think that's definitely going to happen. We're going to be able to transfer our consciousness into other things that can hold that level of complexity. As long as it can hold that level of complexity, I think trying to transfer our consciousness into a stink bug would be really challenging. Obviously, the brain and how that works, it's putting something that's too big

into something too little. But if something is of similar complexity, I think we could transfer our consciousness into there. We just got to figure out what consciousness is, how we measure it, somewhere in between the spaces of quantum physics, or maybe that's the frontier. Maybe it's somewhere, but how we transfer that, I think we'll ultimately figure out. And I think we know it. And I think that's why it's in all

these stories. They're going to have conversations with people. They say, Hey man, don't worry about it. We made a copy of your brain. So if it doesn't work, we'll just put you back in your own body. Like, Oh, cool. You made a copy. Yeah, I mean, it's a copy from November 21st, 2016. Do not worry. Everything from here back. You're not going to remember anything from today, but it's no big deal, man. You're going to lose a couple days of shit going on. You catch up, get on your Twitter.

Or the consciousness just rides and it goes out of body for a little while, stays current, and then just drops back in. Well, now you're talking crazy. I don't know why you just got to take it to the next level. I just feel like we're going to come to a point where we figure out how to express ourselves outside of language. This is what I believe. I believe that the intention, like pure intention,

we're going to be able to broadcast that through some form of third-party software, hardware solution, whatever it is. Like, they'll be able to figure out what the actual intention of a thought is and transmit that. And so instead of a sentence, it'll be a series of thoughts that you can transfer the intention where you know it without language. You don't have to have a comprehension of German to be able to communicate with a person

from Germany because you'll be able to see whatever they're thinking in pure intent or feel it or know it or whatever the fuck it is. And that's so much closer to truth than language, which is always just an approximation. Right. It's just a symbol for an idea, whereas if you could express in pure intent, you know, like just the feeling of it. And I think that's also what you experience sometimes in the psychedelic state. You feel what you would think is God and you can't fucking describe it. All of the words fail. Nothing that makes sense when you're actually talking about it, but you feel it.

And the intent of that thing is there. And then you just approximate it and approximate it until it's almost gets ridiculous. And it is ridiculous because you can't put that into words, you know, but you feel that. Yeah. And the only way you really have a reference is if you experience it as well. Like you're saying this and I'm listening to you say this and I agree with you and then I'm like, man, how would I describe it any differently to somebody?

And I'm like, well, let's see what we got here for tools. Oh, they don't exist. Yeah. There's no tools in the toolbox that allow you to explain like a really heavy-duty breakthrough DMT trip. They don't exist. Like you can try to approximate it, but you saying it, I register it. But it's only because I have what I believe to be a similar experience to what you've experienced. And even that is just guesswork.

I'm assuming you're explaining to me what went down when you had it. And I and i'm like well that sounds a lot like how i would clumsily try to explain my experience but we don't know and we don't know you don't know and that's why you should go out and look for yourself you know feel these things see these things experience these things when you see burning man when you go to a place like burning man you see what's possible i mean obviously i haven't been but you've been a few times when you see what Man, when you go to a place like Burning Man and you see what's possible, I mean, obviously I haven't been, but you've been a few times. When you see what's possible, when these fucking freaks all get together and rewrite the rules and go crazy, it gives you a lot of hope. It really does because it makes you realize, like, these are a lot of people, normal people around us,

and yet they're choosing in this one moment to behave in this stark contrast to everyday culture and society, but there's no litter. People are friendly with each other. They're giving away food. Like they're only doing it for short bursts. You know, they're doing it for a week at a time, once a year, but they're doing it. They're still doing it. And they didn't do it 30 years ago. They didn't do it 50 years ago. They're doing it now and they're doing it in one spot but we're talking about it and people are starting to get together and they go let's we could do this more often like we can do something similar to this more often yeah proves the concept yeah it changes your view of of how an interaction with a stranger could be it not somebody who's trying to take something from you and fuck you fuck up your energy or whatever like you're all

in it together in some weird way. And obviously there's shitheads at Burning Man too, but you get the overwhelming consensus that you're all in it together. And it's a cool, cool feeling. Just transcends these kind of very solipsistic, I'm in for myself. These are my things. This is my fortress that I build.

And you just collapse all that and and surrender to a much much happier state and that's part of the magic i mean isn't that one of the more genuine problems with any sort of egalitarian or or altruistic vision is that people are not going to reciprocate like you know like if you could find a like-minded group of people where instead of the mob mentality of going fucking crazy and grabbing swords and chopping each other out, there's the mob mentality of peace and love. Everybody around you sort of adopted this thing in a really radical way. They're wearing fucking goggles and riding bikes everywhere and everything's lit up with solar power. And you're like, whoa, these people are going deep with this.

Everybody's embraced this. They're so all in every fucking chip is on the table when you're out there that it reinforces this different and very peculiar sort of mob mentality that's psychedelic driven and happy you know and that that's possible too like while we're watching mass rape in india you hear about these horrible instances where these men rape women on trains. Like, what the fuck is going on over there? While that's happening, Burning Man's happening. It's like there's another sort of mob consciousness that can erupt when it's considered carefully, applied ethically, morally, sensitively, with an open heart, that can be done too.

Like there's a bunch of different states that can be achieved. Yeah, you apply to, you know, a human goes into an environment with love and radical acceptance. True, in the truest sense, you're going to more adapt to that. Whereas you get in these systems of fear and control, you know, you're going to adapt to that. And I think anybody that we encounter, we have that choice of what we're going to give back to them and turn that tide. And maybe it won't be reciprocated, but it can also stop the, it can stop that trend. So if someone really, you know, if they do something fucked up, you know, and you can't prevent it and you have to accept it and move on, accept that with love, show that person love and not this desire for justice and revenge.

And you'll start to switch the pattern. You know, you'll, that's the only thing that ends the cycle. The only thing that ends the cycle ultimately is love like violence. You know, you get something violent to you, then you do something violent to them, then you do something violent to you. And it continues to go until one person just holds like, man, I see your pain. I see where you're coming from. I see you as me. You know, I'm sorry, you've been driven to that state. I'm going to love you no matter what. And then all of a sudden, that person's like, what the fuck? And then it can end that cycle. And I think that's what we got to do in society. That's what we got to do, the right and the left. Instead of continually

shooting these barbs at each other, at some point, the conscious people have to say like, you know, whatever you say, I hear you. I don't necessarily agree. Here's my point of view. But I'm going to love you. I'm going to love you as if you were me. And then that ultimately ends it. But as long as we're just lobbing fucking hand grenades at each other, we're fucked.

Sounds like a bunch of hippie bullshit that Trump's going to make illegal. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking he's throwing people in jail for burning the flag. We're taking it old school again, folks. Old school. You know, the fake tan that he uses is from, he takes Native American graves, and he takes the soil, and that's what they use for the fake tan. That would be perfect.

That's the only way to get it, that perfect hue. But you can't get it too close to your eyes, hence the raccoon look. But it empowers you. It gives you energy. That's such a great supervillain move. He just needs to move Trump tower into an inactive volcano. Move Trump tower to an Indian burial site. Put a Trump tower up right where the Dakota pipeline is being built.

Just one Trump tower. And just show the workers. And just show Redskins games. Yeah. That's wearing a red hat. Make America great again. Yeah. What the fuck? And just show Redskins games all the time. Wearing a red hat. Make America great again. What the fuck, man?

Strange times. Strange times. But beautiful times. They're the best times. They are. And the more we realize they're the best times, the more we're going to be okay. Like right now. Yeah, it is entirely possible we might get hit by an asteroid the size of China.

It is entirely possible. They're out out there there's giant chunks of right we the in the world rather was at one point in time hit with another planet that's established that's what they believe they believe the moon was created when the earth literally collided with another fucking planet that it's like it's not happening right now though so right now just be nice to each other and have some fucking fun totally let's go champ yeah man we can always figure out shit to worry about we can figure out all of these things to stress us out it's our job it's our relationship it's the fucking meteor if as long as you enjoy the now you're not going to regret it if i go back and talk to my younger self like hey young aubrey if i could tell you enjoy the now, you're not going to regret it. If I go back and talk to my younger self, like, hey, young Aubrey,

if I could tell you one fucking thing, it's to stress less. Like, yeah, think about the possibilities, but then let it go. Like, enjoy your time because all there is is the enjoyment of time. You know, all of these goals you have, they're all false summits. Like, enjoy the whole process all the way through. Enjoy to that last moment where the fucking Chinese size asteroid smashes and enjoy up to that last minute. And you won't have any regrets. Yeah. If you can prevent it, do that. But if you can't do anything, don't fucking stress. Relax. Yeah. And then even realize

that like goals, they actually help you be happy as weird as it seems like achieving goals and going after things and showing yourself that through discipline and focus, you can achieve these weird creative ventures, take things to new places. Yeah, it's the going for the goal. Feel better. It's the going for the goal that's the best part. It's not the actual achievement of that goal makes you feel suddenly different. It's that you're striving for it, making progress, and then you hit it, and there's that, of course, that satisfaction.

But then you set another goal. Yeah. And then you set another goal and just know that you'll constantly be setting goals so if at no point you're ever happy unless you're achieving the goal you're only going to be happy a fractional part of time unless you're boris with that transformer watch getting his dick sucked over the atdo. He probably has those cheesy limo lights inside of his jet where they change colors all the time. It's like purple, green, red, yellow. And he's in there with a bottle of Stoli. Activate. Eagle feather. And his super Viagra engorged dick where he's got so much Viagra in his system his ears are ringing.

He hasn't breathed through his nose in days he can't breathe he uses coke to open up his nose so that he can breathe out of his nose while his dick is hard as titanium anything else nope should end this good for me um you want to talk about your ayahuasca experience or how long would that take i mean that's a it's a good 15 minute story fuck it man people are driving right now they're like keep going keep going oh man let's let's let's set this up last time i talked to you after you had an ayahuasca experience you were like dude i think i'm done yeah i think i'm done yeah i thought i was done he's like i don't i think i'm good maybe some little dmt trips here and there but i think i'm done and then next thing i know you're off to the fucking jungle again let's go champ

exactly let's go champ exactly what happened well one of the things that i enjoy is taking people who haven't experienced it and going there with them going like there's no better rite of passage bonding experience so this time i just brought all of my homies, like everybody in my inner circle that I love that wanted to go, you know, we all went. And, um, so for me, it's a lot about that kind of rite of passage experience. I still really like and appreciate the plants and I learn a ton and I sometimes underestimate how much more I have to learn from the plants for sure. I think so as a combination of that. So anyway, set up this trip.

Everybody I know, we're going to do ayahuasca. We're meeting Don Howard, who's, you know, we've done two documentaries with him now. Latest ayahuasca documentary is with him as well. Awesome guy. He's like Gandalf the white wizard. So we're setting that up. But I knew this one was going to get interesting

because a month, like about a month before, sometime in August, I wake up in the middle of the night. We're going in August, I wake up in the middle of the night. We're going in September. I wake up in the middle of the night from a dream. And in this dream, I look over and to my left side, I see this demon head and this gnarly looking demon head, Nosferatu looking thing. And he's just looking away. And in my dream, he looks at me, stares at me dead in the eye and goes i'm

gonna kill you on september 23rd oh shit like super fucking specific right so i wake up and i'm a little freaked out i was like damn that was specific so i go to my and i knew my brew trip was over that time i go to the calendar of events the itinerary and that night is the night we're drinking ayahuasca for the first time because we're doing wachuma afterwards so september 23rd was the night we're doing ayahuasca and so do you start thinking your mind was fucking with you like for sure like this is just your brain setting yourself up for a fall yeah i played out i played out all the scenarios right and i tried to like what was that maybe it was a metaphor maybe hopefully it wasn't for real hopefully you know but and you know i maybe i

might have known that date in my head so i'm not trying to think this is supernatural it's all kind of metaphor but it was very specific so by the time we get out there i knew that i had this feeling like man some shit's going to come up here because that was like something's in my psyche that's incredibly specific about this so we're going into. And one thing I like to do to prepare for ceremony, and I do this for the whole group, is I do a meditation where it anchors them to their consciousness. And I put that consciousness in their heart, right? So, because the head can get really squirrely and you can get lost in belief and different ideas and thoughts. And if you identify yourself as consciousness, which I tell them to symbolize as a brilliant piece of

white light in your heart, and you symbolize that and you imagine that there. That's an anchor? That's like your anchor. That's your anchor to home. And then, you know, I talked to him how when you imagine that there, then you can imagine it actually showing up atomically, like in the rules of quantum physics, the observer effect, you observe it, then it's connected to yourself, all your cells connected to all things in space connected to the, you know, to the one source of consciousness, you know, the collective consciousness, that thing. And it just kind of anchors you and keeps you in this feeling of safe. So whatever squirrely thing is happening in your mind, you do that. But this is important for the story that I'm that I'm setting up because, you know, so I do that

meditation. And that's where I go into these psychedelic experiences, anchored to my heart, connected to the cosmos, connected to the infinite through that. And it's a very kind of comforting meditation to do. So I'm going through, and I take the medicine, and right off the bat, it's like super chill. Like I'm seeing beautiful scenes, like flowers, these flowers of light.

And I get this message like, hey, man, this one's going to be easy. And I was like, Oh, okay, cool. And it was like, we're just going to fix a few things. So I felt like what feels like all these little doctors of light, the Dr. Cito's, you know, these little light beings going through my body and start fixing little different areas, fixing little parts in my head. And they're fixing little parts here. And meanwhile, my mind is being distracted with flowers and butterflies, and it's super chill. The only memorable vision I had

was I go to this shrine in this jungle, and I see this giant monkey-human hybrid that's super happy. And it's like, there's just butterflies and everything going around, and then inscripted in stone, it says, we are the pleasure monkeys. And that's what I've been using that word today. And it's this, there's just butterflies and everything going around. And then inscripted in stone, it says, we are the pleasure monkeys. And that's what I've been using that word today.

And it's this like really cool thing. Like, oh yeah, we are pleasure monkeys. We're here to enjoy all of the best shit that we can. And I start thinking about, you know, the foods and the people and the camaraderie and everything around me. Super positive. Meanwhile, the light's going through my body and fixing it. And then, you know, as this really idyllic thing. And I think we're an hour and a half in. around me super positive meanwhile the light's going through my body and fixing it and then you know as this really idyllic thing and i think we're an hour and a half in i'm like fucking we're good

like whatever this demon was not gonna worry about it's fine and then right to my left i see this gnarly looking golem lord of the rings looking fucking my precious nosferatu demon guy. And he looks at me and, and I was like, you know, one of the practices that I have is anchoring to that point in my heart. You know, I, I, you know, I encourage the feeling of invincibility. Like it can't be harmed. You know, this is your consciousness. It's this peace in your heart. It can't be harmed. And I see this demon and it looks at me and then it jumps jumps towards me and it starts biting my neck whoa in my vision right so this gnarly looking demon is biting my my neck and my vision no it's all like it's all in this like a movie of me being played out right

are you just going with but the emotion at this point ratcheted up right so at this point you know i know it's eating in my you know in that know it's eating in my, you know, in that vision, it's eating through my neck and I see what its aim is. And it's aiming to eat through my neck and eat that thing in my heart, the white light in my heart that I've been meditating about. Like, that's what it wants. So in, in what I thought was this like heroic act of invincibility, I was like, go ahead, man. You want that thing? Go ahead. Eat all the way through me. Get that thing. It's fine. You know, instead of, cause I've learned in a lot of these practices, the more you resist these things, the more aggressive they become in the harder you just get in this, this dance. So the more you surrender generally, the better off you are. So I was like, Oh,

you want to eat that thing? Go for it. So it goes through, eats through my neck, through my chest, and it grabs a hold of that piece of white light in my heart, snatches it. And right at that moment, I've never felt more fear. I feel like I got shot with a bullet. Like I felt like I went dead, completely dead and fear just shot through my entire body. And I was like, oh fuck. I just gave this demon my consciousness. I just gave this demon my soul and I let him have it it's like all the fucking vampire movies like they can't come in unless you give them permission then you give them permission and all these fucking thoughts are going through my head meanwhile i felt completely dead like hollow from the inside fear was that like a thousand percent and then the icaros of the shaman start getting more intense and i'm like

holy shit i'm fucked so i start negotiating with this Nosferatu demon guy. And I was like, man, I'd really like to get my piece back. Like you mind giving it back? Like, you know, it's all good.

I understand you have your place, you know, for polarity to exist. There needs to be the dark. There needs to be the light. You know, it's all good, man.

We're all on the same team. Ultimately we're all, you know, consciousness in the cosmos. He's having none of it. Right. And then finally he's like talking to you. He's yeah. He's sometimes talking back and sometimes just

kind of like mocking me really like kind of laughing. And then he goes, here you go. And he gives me something. And I greedily like, like a hungry, like a hungry child, like grab it. And I stuff it in my heart. And it was this dead piece of rock, like a dead stone. And it's just this demon's just laughing at me. I have your heart and watch where I'm going. And he goes and he takes it and I'm following him. And he, you know, through this kind of like wormhole thing and he takes it and I see who he's giving it to. And then I go, oh fuck, because he's giving it to the demon of all demons. And this is very archetypal and I'm not religious, but these archetypes are coming through in this kind of you know demon demon type of sense but anyways this demon that he gives it to

i can only call the world crusher because literally he's of the size where i'm seeing him hold planets and crushing them into dust in his hands and he's just moving the cosmos, these giant horns made of this deep, dark black and red smoke and just laughing in the ecstasy of destruction as he takes galaxies and he rips them apart, like the ultimate black hole of destruction and evil. And I go, fuck, like that guy's got my heart piece now. Like the little demon gave it to that thing. So I'm thinking like, what the fuck do I do? I can't even communicate with this demon world crusher. Like there's no way, there's no way I can even talk to him. He's too big. So I try to like, well, maybe I can blow myself up. You know, maybe I can get bigger thinking like video game style, like that's going to work. Like maybe if I

fucking get bigger, then we can talk and negotiate and I'll be on his level. Totally doesn't work. I can't get even near the size of him in my vision. So I'm like, fuck, what the fuck do I do? Like, what am I going to fucking do here? And, and I get the idea. I was like, man, I can't fight this thing. There's no way. But, you know, understanding that again, that the consciousness and the cosmos needs dark and light. I understand the value of the polarity of that, something that needs dark and light. I understand the value of the polarity of that, something that dark, you know, I understand that that's necessary. It's like, man, I got to send this thing love. So I go and I imagine floating up to its head and right between its eyes, I kissed him on the forehead and it's, I know it sounds weird.

And for a moment I see his eyes go googly eyes like the emoji heart thing where the hearts appear in the world crusher's eyes and it was really kind of cartoony and um for that moment he relinquishes and he's like you know i can give this back to you but we never took it no one can take that piece of your heart it's yours you know it's impossible to steal unless you believe it can steal and it was just like beautiful wisdom And I was like, oh my god, thank God, but I still like shaken up by that, you know I still kind of fucked up but that move worked and in that moment where his eyes were all googly hearts He's like man. We can't take that from you. That's here. So I had this

Renewed sense of confidence and so I started kind of going It was kind of more peaceful then he grows seemed seemed to be following my trip, died down. I'm going through about all the relations in my life and the different, you know, kind of doing the general work you do on ayahuasca. And I get to a member of my family who's really, you know, suffering from some mental illness that is really dark, like a dark mental illness. And I think that now maybe the world crusher is my friend. So I get the feeling the world crusher has, you know, that element of darkness is in him. So I think in my imagination and kind of call back on that being. And immediately it comes up, but in a different shape, like a giant fucking sea serpent.

And it's wrapping these tentacles around my body like a Leviathan from the deep. And I'm like, Whoa, I was like, um, what do you think about maybe letting, you know, this, this family member, what do you think about letting him go? And he's like, you want his soul? I'll make a trade your soul for his. And I was like, fuck, fuck that. Right. So, so at that point I was like, man. And then I was like, I don't think I can make that trade. He's like, coward. You wouldn't do that for someone you love. You're a coward. I thought you said you were invincible. And he starts mocking me. Clearly not my homie.

Like clearly take the world crusher takes his job seriously. So eventually I have to go like, you know what? That's between you and him. I can't step in there. Like there's nothing that I can do for you. So I just had to let it go. And I let him go, not making't step in there. Like there's nothing that I can do for you. So I just had to let it go. And I let him go, not making that proverbial deal. And again, I don't think this is like really happening. This could just be archetype. Right. But so anyways, from there, I was like, fuck man, this has turned super dark. Like, can I get some help? Like, and since the archetype was demons, I was like, can I get a Jesus in here or something like some kind of light and nothing light would come. Although I did get a can I get a Jesus in here or something like some kind of light and nothing

light would come. Although I did get a cool vision of like Jesus meeting the world crusher. And I was like, Ooh, this is going to be squared, like showdown UFC ultimate Jesus versus the world crusher. And immediately they turned super gay and they started making out with each other and having sex. Jesus and the world crusher started like having sex with each other and it was so it was the wildest vision because it was this like the ultimate love affair like the two polarities of the cosmos like all of the love and forgiveness and all of the power who's the destruction the fucking darkness was the top the darkness was banging jesus jesus would turn he was man woman it was like super he could be whatever he wanted but they

were dancing in this like passionate love affair which was like all creation so Jesus became man and woman Jesus was man woman he was just it was just like love versus power and dark and destruction creation versus destruction like the two polarities dancing but expressed as the world crusher this devil-like creature, and then Jesus, you know, which started as kind of Jesus-y and then went into woman and then went into man, whatever. It was, at least gave me a chuckle. And it was like a moment of like relief from this really fucking heavy trip. But I still wasn't getting any personal interaction from anything on the light side, you know? And so I'm still like kind of a little shaken up, especially after,

you know, the world crusher called me a coward and I couldn't help you know this person in my family and it's like fuck um so then I see this I keep trying to reach out to like the helpers like something from the light and I get this very faint message you know sometimes the visions are super clear and sometimes they're faint it feels like you're you're kind of reaching for it, but I'll go with it. I'll use my imagination as a bridge. So I kind of go with it. It's like, here, we have this thing for you and put it in your heart. It'll give you extra, you know, it'll be what you're looking for. And it's this brilliant Ruby, like red stone, right? This brilliant Ruby stone. And I was like, Oh wow, that's beautiful. Like I always imagine the thing in my heart being white, but red. All right. It's cool. I put it in my chest and then instantly I could feel myself getting this like hunger for power

and feeling like the world crusher. Like I wanted to destroy and manipulate. And I was like, oh shit, that's not the thing. You know, that's not, that wasn't a real gift. That was getting tricked again. So I pull this thing out of my heart and for sure like i can just feel the evil emanating from it right and i can hear the distant laughter the world crusher like ha ha ha fooled you again you accepted this stone and so i have this ruby stone in my vision i'm like what the fuck am i going to do with this right so i have this place that i've developed in my meditation it's like a little hat it's like my happy place right it's a place i go and i imagine it in my mind it's like my happy place, right? It's a place I go and I imagine it in my mind. It's like my happy place. I was like, all

right, I'm gonna put my stone in my happy place and I'm going to leave it there in my, in my vision. Well, I put it there in the happy place and it turns to fucking like swamp and bog and everything. All the trees are withering. Like you see in one of those fantasy movies where the darkness anchors into a place and all the life dies around and i was like fuck man i can't put it there it's going to destroy this this world i created it's like i bring it back and i was like i hear this voice like just put it in your heart you can hold it you're strong enough to hold it so like okay yeah maybe my heart's the only place i can put it it's the only way it's going to be safe put it back in there bad idea obviously that was another

trick but i'm really getting shaken here because I keep getting fucking tricked. And I keep not knowing what my mind is telling me that's helpful or whether it's coming from something else. So eventually, I move it out of my body. And I'm looking at it. I was like, fuck. The only way that I can get rid of this is to dissolve it evenly across the entire spectrum of creation. to dissolve it evenly across the entire spectrum of creation, right? Take this and dissolve it into the all so that the entire game, all of good, all of bad, everything can hold this amount of evil. It's too concentrated for any one thing to hold. I got to dissolve it. And I tried that move

with my imagination and it worked. Boom. And the redstone dissolves and then all of creation holds that darkness and that power. And I'm sitting there and I just at this point just fucking surrender like I've just been totally getting my ass kicked you know for the majority of this trip and especially just having been tricked and and I'm just kind of like in a state of surrender and at that point I feel like kind of like Iron Man style I feel this like breastplate like come slap onto my chest and it has this really beautiful fire opal stone. And this thing, this helmet come on my head, brink. And this helmet comes and it has this other brilliant white light. And I feel wings shoot out from my back.

Right. And it's obviously ayahuasca. It's crazy. And I'm flying in the air. And there's a bunch of like eagles and's crazy. And I'm flying in the air. And there's a bunch of, like, eagles and other birds. And it's all, like, peaceful and all good. And it was like all of the allies, like all of the good guys, all the good team kind of came through. And they were flying over this world that was dark and fires and pollution and chaos.

And they were just bringing this, like, fresh air of, like, white light. And I was just cruising and so for the last 30 minutes of the trip i was just literally like flapping my wings in the vision just kind of cruising over the world with all my eagle homies and and it was fucking one of the gnarliest obviously experiences i've ever had doubt. That's why it's illegal. Your speech is going to be used in the Senate. They're going to get together with Congress. They're going to play this speech back.

This is a successful guy, folks. Look what he's doing. Yeah. Goes down to the goddamn jungle, fighting world crushers, and Jesus is gay. Do you want Jesus to be gay? You want that? Oh, Jesus can be a woman. Jesus can be a man. He can be a man. He could be a woman.

He's gender fluid. Yep. Wow. It's intense. And again, it's, I think the lessons, it's really just about that was the type of resistance that could summon the very best out of me. You know, the move to move, to show the world crusher love, the move to, you know, all of the moves that I had to make, I was only able to learn about know, all of the moves that I had to make, I was only able to learn about myself from the extreme pressure of that vision. And that's one of the beautiful parts of the ayahuasca vision. It tends to give you like just enough that if you show up with your best and you, and you choose, you know, choose love and you choose the, the things that are going to bring out the best outcome, um, you'll make it through. But it,

but it brings you to that very fucking brink where it feels like, man, you know, the stakes are really, really high. It's interesting. Cause I think stories like that and experiences like yours, although you've got to go somewhere to experience them legally, those stories are what people are going to rely. That's like almost like a roadmap of the potential experiences that people are going to come back with and go, dude, dude, look what he's saying about this. Do you want to do you want to go there? Do you want to go? How do we get there? You got to go over the mountain, go over the mountain to meet the world crusher.

Fuck, man. OK, he definitely came back. Yeah, he's back, man. He's in Austin. He's hanging out. Yeah. Like one day, all this stuff is going to be legal. out yeah like one day all this stuff is going to be legal and one day all sorts of psychedelic experiences whether it's masculine or fucking mushrooms whatever they're all going to be

really commonplace they're going to be as commonplace as going to get a massage or as commonplace as you know taking a yoga class just right now we're in a weird place where someone like you telling that story seems like a crazy person. Yeah. You know, even talking to me who's experienced a bunch of shit, you know, and I've experienced a bunch of shit with you. I mean, I know you're not, I mean, you're not crazy. You're just relaying this very odd thing that very few people are ever going to be able to relate to right now. But one day, one day it'll be real common. And I think it's more common now. I think you saying this now, way more common. Do you talk about ayahuasca and people understand what you're saying than just 10, 15 years ago. Yeah.

You know? Oh, no doubt. Because people have had similar experiences of reference. I mean, I think the way that a lot of people experience this is in archetypes that you learn about and there's a different character in the story, you know, which is something you can learn from. Like the Harry Potter movies, jordan was talking about you know you can learn from those archetypes but it's different when you know you get a chance to play as the main character yeah you know playing as the main character gives you a whole different series of lessons like none of these themes that came up you know are original themes these are

all deep archetypes even even fucking the Lord of the Ring, like the stone. It was a stone of such evil. How does it be destroyed? It destroyed in the fire from whence it came, right? All of creation created and concentrated, and it was dissolved in that. I didn't think about it then, but I could see the analogies. You see the deal with the devil, you know, that I'll trade my soul for this one. You see these archetypal themes, but you know, I can watch as many Faust plays as I want. I'm never going to feel what that feels like until I have the devil mocking me for being a coward for not being willing to make that deal, you know, and then you understand these certain, these certain things in a much, much deeper way.

And, and that's, that's, I think the the value it just puts you up in this situation where you're you have stake in the game and you have choices to make and that's where you get the real value i think roger huerta would put that world crusher in a tight glance right into his fucking stupid face for sure and that's part of it you know some of the shamans that's their move right they're constantly trying to get mastery and dominion over all of these things. I just find that the more you try and fight with them, the more they just love it. Like whatever thing you're trying to fight, whatever darkness you're trying to fight, the more you fight with them, they're just like, fuck, yeah, bring it on.

This is what I do. You're in my house now, bitch. You know, like you're trying to wrestle with Ben Askren. Like they got the drop on you. But the minute you change the game and recognize them as an important part and send them love, that's when the conflict ends. One day, ladies and gentlemen, you too will be able to go to your local ayahuasca center and partake. It's already been approved by the Supreme Court for a couple different churches. Two different churches, I believe, right? Yeah.

In New Mexico. Church of Santa Dime and UDV. Yeah. And they are legally allowed to serve super high potency ayahuasca. Yeah. Rick Strassman went over there and did it with him. He said it was incredible. They're all wearing like golf shirts, all wearing white. You have to sit up, sit down, talk to do different things. Yeah. It's all common, you know, whether it's religious or whether it's medical or whether it's, I think the plants are going to show up when humans need the help the most. And I think that's the spot we're in. And, you know, ayahuasca, it's not for everybody.

Like, don't everybody rush out and do it. Like, do it if that's what's really calling for you. If you want to learn more, I just released that documentary. It's free. Just go to drinkthejungle.com. That's the URL. Drinkthejungle. Check it out. drink the jungle.com that's the url drink the jungle check it out um and get an idea if that's for you but there's so many ways and you don't need to do

plants you can do it with your fucking breath you can do it with yoga you can do it with floating you can do it with legal weed you know there's so many ways to climb the mountain um but finding those those ways to bring out the best part of yourself. Essential. Drink the jungle, bitches. Don't be scared to drink the jungle. Don't be scared to drink the jungle. Jungle spicy. All right. Let's end this right there.

It's perfect. Drinkthejungle.com. Yeah. That's it. Bye, everybody. Love you. Love you. Love all you guys.

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