The Joe Rogan Experience - #890 - Fight Breakdown

Episode Date: December 26, 2016

Joe sits down with Eddie Bravo & Brendan Schaub to discuss upcoming fights in MMA.

Young Jamie Yeah, Merry Christmas motherfuckers Brendan Shaw with the Gucci shoes on How dare you and he's got camo with polka dots It says blind on one shoe and love on the other. Oh, good Lord. How dare you even leave the house? I wore it just for you, brother.

The shoes you did, motherfucker. You like those shoes. I love the shoes. The camo shirt I wore just for you. I thought, it's a little bit of Rogan's, a little bit of my style, camo with polka dots on it. What's up, son? The day George Michael died, it's like a good jacket to have on.

What did he die of? He had a heart attack, apparently. Parting? Yo, that one was hard for me. Really? Fucking loved that guy. That song, Freedom? That's a fucking jam. That song has like four parts. People don't understand that there's like I think it's four,

but every part is just amazing. That's a great fucking song. It's a great song. I'm a little too young to realize how big the idea was. I wish I could play it. We'll definitely get kicked off YouTube if we play it and we put it on YouTube. But there's that video that they made with all those supermodels,

so Christy Turlington and all those Naomi Campbell and all those different supermodels, and they're all wandering around, and they're singing the song. They're lip syncing it. That's the video? Yeah, it's fucking amazing. I just know, they wake me up before you go-go. That's in Zoolander. He had some ridiculous songs. Oh, yeah, that Wham! Stop.

I like Freedom. I think Freedom is the only one I ever liked. I didn't like, you know, know like wake me up before we go go Come on. That's a terrible. There's the video for kind of or it's awesome. Did you like I want your sex? I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad You gotta have faith Wasn't it wasn't a fan of that it sounds like these are no I respect your shit out of kids He's so good

The guy's awesome. He's so good. He's so good. Yes. Dude, he's so good that he got caught on his knees with an undercover cop or something like that, and no one gave a shit. No one gave a shit. Well, he was loud about it, too. He's so good.

You're like, who cares? So, wait a minute. Here's my problem with that. What the fuck did the undercover cop say to get him on his knees to suck his dick? Oh, you're gay, bro. We knew it. Arrest him. No, no, no.

How did it start off? I don't know the details. It wasn't like the undercover cop was like, hey, how about those Lakers? No, he was probably like, hey, you want your dick sucked? Like, I'll suck your dick. You suck mine. Like, he probably said something. Got him.

They probably don't say suck dick. They probably got code word. Code word. Code word. Right? You want some sausage, bro? Yeah. What did they say? What are you looking for, bro? You want some sausage, bro? Yeah. What did they say?

What are you looking for, bro? Looking for some friendship? Friendship? What did they say? Yeah, I'm looking for some friendship. Great. I got some friendship for you. Do you remember when that, what was he, a senator or a congressman or some shit?

That guy who was an anti-gay crusader. Oh, he was my favorite dudes. Got caught in a bathroom stall in Minneapolis, and he was doing that foot tapping thing. They have a code. Moorish code for gay. You tap your feet four times, and dudes will let you into the stall, and you suck each other off.

That's what happens when dudes are into dudes, right? Well, these kind of dudes are into dudes. When these kind of dudes are into dudes, yeah. Well, these kind of dudes are into dudes. When these kind of dudes are into dudes, yeah. But I think it generally... It's so ridiculous. I think generally... You know, it's weird.

Dude, you watch Modern Family? You ever watch that? No. Dude, they have... It's a few families, and they have a gay family. They have two dudes, and they adopted a girl. She's an Asian girl. But those guys, there's been a couple episodes where this is on ABC,

Modern Family, where the gay couple, some college boys move in next door, and then one of the guys is, like, hanging out with them, and he feels like he's in college again, and he's partying with them, and he kind of has a crush on one of the guys, like the main guy. And his husband is like, you got a crush. Like, they're talking about it. And he's like, no, I don't have a crush. But, like, it's obvious that he does.

And it's okay. That's fine. I think that's fine. No, I know. But if it was a heterosexual couple, there would never be a situation like that. Oh, they've done that before on shows like that. No. Think about it.

A couple. A guy had a crush on someone's wife. For sure. Who was open about it. For sure. And a hot neighbor moves in. Right. But it is like where the guy's admitting that he has a crush on the neighbor's wife blatantly.

Is that what you're saying? No. It's more like there's a heterosexual couple in the sitcom. Right. And a bunch of girls move in next door. there's a heterosexual couple in the sitcom and a bunch of girls move in next door and then the guy's hanging out with the girls

and he has a crush on one of the girls and it's okay with his wife. He thinks it's kind of cute. That's weird, right? That would never happen. I'm confused. I've never watched the show so help me out. Is the husband gay. I don't know what you're saying That's a gay couple so but a gay couple a gay cop and a young

And a young college kids moving next door and one of the guys that one of the gay couples Is crushing on the guys that work one of the guys that moved in next door and it's kind of a cutesy crush Oh, wow, and they're really blatant about it. Like, he comes over and there's, like, these moments of, like, he's being flustered. And I have nothing against that, but I'm just saying, you would never see that in a heterosexual couple on ABC. No.

On ABC? Well, I think. That's some hardcore stuff right there. I think even though a lot of times. What is that about? Well, a lot of times gay couples will take, like, traditional sort of almost husband and wife

type roles. It's really common. For sure. One of the guys makes all the money and the other guy sort of stays at home and maybe they even

adopt a kid and he raises him like a mom. Yeah. But I think ultimately we still accept that gay guys are guys and that guys are just going to be different. The same is like two girls becoming lesbian.

They're not going to be like people aren't asexual if they're gay. You know, so people becoming lesbians, they probably have a different attitude about monogamy than people becoming gay. I would just imagine. Yeah, it seems like overall lesbians are like they're in love and they're monogamous. It seems that way and it seems like gay dudes are like open about not being monogamous and they're cool about it.

I don't know too much. I don't know too many lesbians where I've gone deep into their life. It seems like they're more monogamous. Generally, lesbians are more girly and monogamous and fall in love lesbians are more girly and monogamous maybe in love i feel like super weird about asking that kind of shit to a lesbian like a gay dude i could ask a gay dude like justin martindale i could ask that dude anything yeah they're generally

wilder right they're like yeah guys are like guys and girls are like girls whether they're lesbians or gay dudes you right that's what a girl's like a super masculine, like a male, a butchy gay girl. Generally, though. I still don't feel comfortable asking them how it works. Because they might get offended, right? There's not lesbians meeting each other in bathrooms. It's not girls doing that.

Right? Generally, that doesn't happen. It's usually guys. In the movies, they push each other into a stall and they start making out. Look, in the heterosexual world, what percentage of strip clubs in the United States are for men? Well, there's a lot more for sure. Isn't that weird? 100%?

There's like one Chippendales somewhere in the county. You know what I mean You gotta do some research And they're only open on you know You gotta make your reservations And shit It's a different experience When girls go to see Men's Strip

They scream They scream and they throw money In the air and they get crazy And they'll rub their face on the dude's dicks Like girls at bachelorette parties They go fucking crazy They get loose Is it because they don't go as much?

Like as often? It's just a different thing They could go off on bachelorette parties And they're not gonna say shit It's like what happens at the bachelorette party Stays there I had a friend of mine Who I used to do taekwondo with that was a male stripper.

Two friends of mine, actually. One was this young Puerto Rican kid, and the other one was this older white dude. And the older white dude was a really nice guy, a very smart guy, but he was like over-the-top strange, big jacked. Was he shredded, though? Jacked, black belt. Have to be. Have to be.

Black belt martial artist He was a big jack dude. You know, but he was telling me he was like these women they go fucking crazy Like it gets really scratching calm and shit Friends like girls who were getting married we just suck his dick in front of friends Hey, man cut to the guys strip club dudes by himself in the corner all quiet as fuck. Just getting fucking lap dances and shit. Dude, I was working at the strip clubs when it was dead as fuck. I worked those Saturday day shifts. You had that shitty show.

Where you open up at 11 and there's one girl and no dudes. And you're just waiting. You're just waiting. You're looking at the security cameras to see, oh, we got a dude. And then one guy walks in. Boom, and he's sitting there, and he's just, it's Saturday, 115. Just a loser. It's just terrible.

We have one girl. She's fucking ragged. Oh, man. Everyone gets the shitty shit. And I'm sitting there playing Depeche Mode and shit. Dude. That's the shitty shit. And I'm sitting there playing Depeche Mode and shit. Dude, it was dark. I had friends like, dude, you're so lucky you were in a strip club. It's not what it seems.

It's not what it looks like. They think of it as just orgies going on, and I'm DJing and eating pussy at the same time. My friends are like, dude, give me a job there. I'll just pick up cokes and shit. For free. Larry said that. Larry's like, man, you're so lucky. I'm like, ah.

But then you end up moving up and getting good shifts. You just wait. For the night shift? DJing, yeah. When you first get in, you get the worst shifts. Saturday day, Monday day. Saturday day, Monday day. You got to get your foot in the door.

Darkness. Just death. There's a UFC fighter who's a stripper for a while. Crunkshaw. Remember him? Detroit superstar? Yeah, he's over in Japan now. Yeah.

He's fighting for Ryzen. Oh, that's right. Yeah, he's over there now. He was a male stripper. He's a funny dude, man. He's got a hilarious mustache now, too. Follow his Instagram. It's awesome. It's just him shooting things. He's a fucking savage. Who's this? Detroit superstar. He used to fight in the UFC.

Darren Crookshank probably runs through more rounds of ammunition than anyone in this entire town in a year. Fuck yeah, he's crazy. He's out there shooting shit constantly. His Instagram is all just him gunning things down. He's a wild motherfucker, dude. He's fun to watch fight.

He's a good fighter. You know, he was getting more and more comfortable with keeping fights standing. Yes. And when he became more and more comfortable keeping fights standing, then you get to see how good his kickboxing skill is. He's a really good kickboxer, really good. I know I say kickboxing, I mean his boxing is really good. He's a traditional martial artist, basically, right? What was his original background?

Karate or Taekwondo, wasn't it? Really good kicker, man, really good kicker. And so when a guy like that makes that transition, it's hilarious. Jacked with a candy cane for his dick. Look at that. Go back to that, Jamie. He's not messing around.

Look at his fucking... See, but look at the first one you see. The first one you see is when you click on that video. It's Darren Cruikshank just fucking going crazy with a machine gun. He's just fucking shooting things constantly, man. Look at this dude. Dude, he's ready for the apocalypse. God damn.

Oh, dude, if the fucking shit goes down, go to Darren Crookshank's house and ask if you can get in. He's fucking... Look at this dude. He's a character, man. Look at another video. Look at... He's got a picture of all these Japanese girls staring at his package.

Legit. Like they're lasering in on his dick. Legit. That is what they're doing. That is what they're at his package? Legit. Like they're lasering in on his dick. Legit, that is what they're doing. That is what they're doing. Damn! Legit. He's killing it out there. Whoa.

I mean, that's a hilarious picture, though. He's a funny dude, man. And I don't, see, I don't think the UFC figured out how to recognize that. You know what I'm saying? Like, how many dudes that you see fight are, like, kind of almost, like, on the outside, like, they're bland.

Like, everyone's the same. Because you don't get to know them. You don't get to know, like, all their weirdness. So you don't care when they fight. So you don't... Yeah, it's different. It's flat, right? It's flat.

It's flat. So you need a story on a reason why to tune into the fight. Crunch Shaw is a great story. He's a great story man. Do you think? some people Had wore certain shorts and you were you recognize them by their shorts like with Sakuraba. He had the orange shorts You know I mean the flames. Yeah, and now now that Everybody's on Reebok. It takes away some a little value if what you're saying is correct.

Yeah. If adding personality adds value to the fighters, which adds value to the show. Correct. 100%. So actually letting them and encouraging them and letting them wear rash guards and shit. You want to be the fighter that wears a rash guard? Fuck yeah. It's not a problem in women's MMA.

I don't see why it would be a problem in men's MMA. Show me the logic there. They should encourage fighters to wear different shit. You remember when Melvin? Can you imagine spats? I know. Spats would be awesome. For grip.

Oh, shit. If girls can wear them. I mean, girls are wearing rash guards. Yeah. I mean, rash guard will fucking help your grappling for sure. Huge. It's a big factor. It's a big factor.

Yeah. Why they don't allow, I mean, they just haven't really thought about it. No one's actually just sat him down. You know who had the best? Melvin Manhoef when he fought in K1. He wore them Gladiator type. Talking about the Spartan Gladiator? Yeah.

He started wearing those things. You know who started that? I want to see it. You remember who started that? McDonald. Remember McDonald? I'll go you won better. Alexis Arguello. Alexis Arguello. He started wearing those things You know who started that? You remember who started that? McDonald Remember McDonald? I'll go you one better Alexis Arguello

No not Alexis Arguello Dennis Alexio Dennis Alexio used to fight in a grass skirt Straight up He fought in a straight up Hawaiian grass skirt McDonald had like straight Spartan How about Shinya Yoki When he was wearing them yellow tights

He was known for his tights and the rainbow? He was known for his tights. You couldn't wait to see what's next. And it was all colorful and it looked all badass. He's all scary to watch. They should allow all that. They should encourage that. They want more of a clean product. When Liddell had those blue and white shorts.

The Iceman shorts. Remember Franklin had the pink ones? That's right. It takes away their personality if they wear uniforms. They want to look more like every other league, though. But it's not a league. It's a man-on-man. It's personality on personality.

It's one dude. So his personality is just one dude. Even if it's four dudes, all their personalities, once you get to know them, they become important. So the more you understand everybody, in this case, it's just two fighters. I also think that making it, I mean, if you want to have a company that sponsors it, the two aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like a company can't sponsor it and still have dope shorts that are different for each fighter. Like, have someone design their own stuff.

You don't have to have, you know, the same, like, you have red and I have blue. Like, why? Correct. It doesn't matter. Everybody knows you're you. Everybody knows you're you everybody knows You're you like who are we confused like do we who's the red guy the red guy on top? Who's the blue who's winning well?

I just feel like it takes away from the sport when you make Everyone look the same like in the NFL or something like that totally because what people buy into and fighting and it's true with boxing It's true with MMA They want to know why they should watch the fight. Because you can put a fight on AXS TV. If you don't know the fight, if you know nothing about them, they get shit for ratings. Well, that's why everybody loves Cowboy. Yeah. Exactly.

His story is great. His story we know. We know Jon Jones' story now because he's been going through all this crazy shit. We know Cyborg's story. And to kick this thing off, whether you want to talk about it or not, and you let me know, but with Amanda Nunes, imagine, just put yourself in her shoes right now. Imagine having the biggest fight of your life ever. And the fight everyone's looking for, especially your female fighter,

because you get so much notoriety. You get all the cameras pointing at you. People, you finally get to hear your story, and she has a great story. And then you can't do interviews. There's none of that. that there's no promotion we're not going to show your videos can't do interviews there's gonna be no open workouts imagine being her right now like what the fuck well the good news is she can concentrate on the fight and just concentrate on the fight she would always do that i understand that and the good news for Ronda is that she can also just concentrate on the fight. She doesn't have to do any of these interviews. I like that.

But what I don't like is I feel like we have to respect what a champion is. And it doesn't matter if you're the most famous person. You're still the champion. And we are the champion of a giant organization like the UFC. And how about she's the first openly gay women's MMA champion ever? Amazing story. Or any champion. Amazing story.

Any MMA champion. There's never been an openly gay MMA champion. And she's fucking badass. It's not like she doesn't have a highlight reel. It's not like she's grabbing ahold of these girls and just sort of winning by staying on top and do nothing. So there's no highlights you can pull. She knocks girls out and chokes them unconscious. She's very good. So it's exciting. It's an exciting technical matchup. It's an exciting story with Rhonda coming back after being out for over a year. There's so much exciting shit, but to concentrate only on one person to sell it, I understand that that person is huge.

I understand that person's the biggest person. She's probably right up there with Conor. I would go. They both go back and forth. Stats would make the difference. What do you think? You think Conor's bigger? Yeah, it's not even an argument.

I would agree with you. I would lean towards that. My point is, with one victory, she could get launched right into that place again. I think it's a weird thing, man. It's like you're a super talented person who's also this giant personality figure. It's more than just a fighter, right? It becomes this personality figure. Especially for Conor.

His whole shit talking and marketing and he sends out a tweet to sell the fight. Part of being a fighter is selling the fight. See what you want about Floyd Mayweather. There's not an interviewer camera he didn't look towards to sell that Pacquiao fight because in the end it helps the company.

It puts more money in your pocket. It helps sponsorship, everything. You can't say anything about Floyd unless you were one of those girls. True. Then you're like, God damn it. But other than that, who else? But it's part of the gig. You've got to sell the fight.

So for me, and I think Ronda is the favorite in this matchup, but she has to create these scenarios where it's me against the world. It's me against the world. Well, hold on. Are you sure she's creating this? I mean, this is a big marketing push. This is like, you know, this is the new owners of the UFC, and this is this really- And this is their plan, Joe?

But this is this really cinematic thing. That we're missing the boat on. Well, we're definitely missing the boat on- The numbers will prove it, I bet you. We're definitely missing the boat on promoting Amanda. That for a fact. But you don't think it was like a pretty exciting promo piece? I saw that promo piece.

That got me fired up. I think the good thing is that it's like this really exciting, very well-done, cool thing. You think it's been as much promo? You think this fight has as much promo as, say, UFC 205 in New York? No. No, I don't. Or a Conor fight to that magnitude.

No, because no one's doing interviews. Yeah. No, I 100% completely agree with you to that point. But part of me likes, I want to see what happens when the pay-per-view numbers come out. Because part of me likes that the fighters aren't going to be bothered. I don't think you need to bother them as much as they get bothered. I think when Conor was pissed off about it, when Aldo was pissed off about it, when all these different fighters who are doing

these crazy tours are pissed off about this promotion thing, the idea about it is you're trying to get the word out to as many people as possible. But I don't know if that, the price that they pay in being distracted from their training, I don't know if it's 100% worth it. But with Conor, you're talking about

a world tour, where he's like, dude, come on, I'm coming off a loss. Nate Diaz is a tough fight for me at 170. I need everything I can do to get this fight and get my mind right. Do you think that it helps, these big promo tours? Yes and no. I don't know if you need to go all around the freaking world and promote it, but there needs to be some sort of publicity done. For Ronda especially, I think her as a role model for females,

you can't get kicked in the face, take your ball and go home. We want our champ to be like Conor or someone where they go, I want back in there, man. Get me the fuck back in there. I need this. I think that it's cool that obviously Ronda doesn't want all that shit. She's as famous as you can be. She doesn't want that.

And someone just said, okay. They let her just have her peace and focus on the fight. I personally don't really watch interviews. I don't watch that press. I don't even know how important it is. All I care about is that fight. That's it. Once the fight happens, give me a little

promo. Give me a little hour promo. It doesn't have to be anything fancy. We're balls deep in it, though. For the casual fan, my dad's a casual fan. He has no idea she was fighting this Friday. So, for the casual fan, that's where I would think that it would make

a big difference. People watch ESPN. Well, that's who buys pay-per-views Joe because To get that to get that 60 70 dollars and your casual fan. They need to be sold on it It sounds like you own a piece of the UFC right now. He's making good points making very good points I'm just being funny. No, no, I hear you. I'm but you are making very good points My issue is in in Ronda can do her thing, but you can't. It's a conflict of interest. Because of Conor McGregor, right?

Because Conor goes, dude, I'll fly to New York and do a press conference, but I'm not going to Vegas. Cool. You're not fighting. Right. Ronnie goes, I'm not doing shit. Dana goes, cool. Different owners now. Different owners, however.

Yeah, they have a different approach. I mean, it's a different business. I mean, it's a different business. I mean, a lot of things are changing. They're changing. They're changing, Joe, but also WME, who owns the UFC, manages Ronda Rousey. They don't manage Conor McGregor. So there's a conflict of interest there. Well, it depends, because

it's just a business decision. The only people that should be upset are probably the other people. Well, Cody Garbrandt and Dominic Cruz aren't restricted from doing any interviews, right? They're doing everything. Are they going to sell the fight, though? That's a problem. They're going to sell them for me. That's for fuck's sake.

Again, we're balls deep in it. For sure. We're balls deep. The casual fan's going, I'm not buying. I'm not spending $70 for those small guys. Now, to me, it's the number one fight. How dare you? No, to me, it's the number one fight on the card.

I love Cody. It's my number one fight. Brendan wants his promos. to me, it's the number one fight on the card. I love Cody. It's my number one fight. Brendan wants his promos. No, he's right. He's right. No, no, no. What I want is the UFC to keep growing. It comes with the territory.

You got to sell yourself. But it's cool for the fighters, though. Don't you think that they're respecting their wishes? Like, Ronda just wanted to be left alone. That's fine. Respect her wishes. But that media is the exact reason why she's as famous as she is. It's okay, though. We're trying to help them all.

But wait a minute. You don't have to only do press while you're in camp. That media exists after the fights, which is easy for everybody. Just talk after the fights. But during the training and preparation, it's a giant distraction. It's going to take a lot of time. A decision. If someone's as rich and as famous as Ronda is,

a decision to favor performance over finances. Maybe she'll make less money, but she thinks that she'll be more focused and her performance will be better. I love that. I love that decision. Then where does it start then, Joe? When you're a really wealthy,

successful athlete like her, you can do whatever the fuck you want. That's what I think. I think when you get to a point where you get to decide whether you're a really wealthy, successful athlete like her, you can do whatever the fuck you want. That's what I think. I think when you get to a point where you get to decide whether you're going to focus on making more money and possibly being less focused and distracted and maybe tired or even maybe get sick because you're doing a lot of traveling versus only dedicate yourself to training. Do all the fucking videos you want. Put all the promos you want.

I'm not doing shit for the next eight weeks. So then where's it stop at? Who's going to sell the fight? If everyone has that mentality, who's selling? Is that the rule now? You know what I'm saying? Listen, no. I don't know what you're saying because the old way is not the only way. You could do both ways. You could do whatever way you want. There's old footage. They could decide that

their little promo pieces they could put together without interviews are enough. They could fly out. They might be wrong. You know what? They could just fly to her for two days, interview her at her training camp. That's what they did for Tony. And then they take off.

Tony was in Big Bear. I agree. He never left Big Bear. They came to him. Do one of those. It was no big deal. Look, she definitely could do that. Or she could say, no.

I just want to completely focus and let's see how this works. But her thing is that she thinks the media backstabbed her. And that's why she didn't do an interview. Like they turned on her when she lost. She's a very emotional person. It's one of the reasons, one of the reasons why she's so good. I agree. She's very emotional.

But to me, it sounded like my voice was cracking up. I swear to God, I was just about to cough. I was like, damn, we're about to cry over this shit. We're just having a conversation, Doug. But to me, if you're a Ronda fan, like when you break this fight down, there's a huge X factor. What frame of mind is Ronda in if she won't even face interviewers? Yeah, but okay, maybe. Oh, I'm saying it's an X factor.

Yeah, maybe. Maybe she's the most focused she's ever been, or maybe she just can't deal with the questions after her last fight. We don't know. Well, yeah. She's the only one who knows. Or the people that are close to her. But again, Ronda's, like you said, famous as fuck, lives in a mansion. What about Amanda?

Oh, yeah. What about her? Well, for her, she should absolutely be able to do as many interviews as she wants. But she might not want to either. She might want to say, hey, good, I'm going to focus entirely on fighting Ronda too. Look, this might be better. It might be better this way. It's just like we were talking about weight cutting before.

It might be better if people didn't fucking cut weight. Look how goddamn good Kelvin Gastelum looked against Tim Kennedy. Look how goddamn good Donald Cerrone looks. Donald's walking around like 176 pounds. He's not cutting shit. And he looks fucking amazing. He's head kicking Matt Brown. He looked amazing. He's running through everybody.

Tony doesn't cut that much either. Yeah, exactly. By the time Connor at 55. Maybe 5 pounds will cut. Those guys, man, they have an advantage. That's a big ass advantage. Weight cut, yes, I agree. Huge advantage. But I think the weight cut, I think there's benefits to it, ultimately. Obviously, you're going to be bigger when you get inside the octagon.

But the performance hit that your body takes, it's super arguable at a certain level. There's a point of diminishing returns that a lot of these guys pass through. But then there's a few fucking examples, like Damian Maia. Damian Maia cuts a lot of weight. And he's just smushing people. Anthony Johnson. Smushing people. I don't think Johnson's cutting that much weight at 205,

bro. I think he might be cutting 10, 15 pounds. No, sir. He looks really good at 220, 225. I think he's cutting 20 pounds. I think he's cutting 20 pounds. Who's Maia fighting much for a big guy like that, though? I'm just saying, I mean, 20 pounds, 20 pounds. But 20 pounds is different when you're a heavyweight or a light heavyweight. For sure.

But he's actually starts at heavyweight. He's lean, too. That's true. He's jacked. Who's Damian Maya fighting next? Damian Maya. I don't know, man. I think they're waiting to see.

He's in the shadows like this. What's going to happen? Woodley. If Woodley and Wonderboy have a rematch, Woodley's campaigning for a fight with Nick Diaz, which I would love to see. I'd also love to see that. I'd like to see Woodley get fucking paid, too. I like what he's doing.

I like that he's trying to get paid. Well, he's trying to fight GSB. Diaz just to make money. I want to see it happen. I like his initiative. I like it. You know, people are like, oh, you're just trying to get paid, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. By the way, those are all fucking amazing fights. Like, what are you talking about? You don't want to see him versus GSP? Yes, sir. Tell people to lose your number. Everybody's trying to get it.

Tell them, Brendan. Tell them right now. Lose your number. If you don't want to see that fight, you wouldn't want to see that fight? That's the sport, though. You want the biggest name possible with the highest payday. Because either way, you're probably getting punched in the face. Hey, but also, I want to see the Wonder Boy rematch.

I want to see that, too. I do, but I'd rather see- I'm not upset with any, but also I want to see the Wonder Boy rematch. I want to see that too. I do, but I'd rather see Diaz or GSP. I honestly, I'm even on it. I'm even on Diaz, GSP, or the Wonder Boy rematch. Yeah, I wouldn't be mad at anyone. Wonder Boy's a bad motherfucker, dude. And when he was in that guillotine and didn't tap and it looked like his head was literally going to be removed from his body.

I don't know, man. Maybe his neck is so small. That's what't know, man. Maybe his neck is so small. That's what Tyron was saying, that his neck is so small, you've got to really squeeze it. Someone else was saying that, too. His neck is so small. Like a bobblehead. Maybe he can make more room because it's harder to get a really tight squeeze on it. Because Woodley has some big-ass arms, so he figured I'd make up for it.

Woodley also said that he's got a little head so his head could pop out easier. I hear that. That makes sense, right? Yeah. I got a small head myself. It's an advantage. Not when you're getting punched in the face. If you got some crazy Alex Caceres do, that has got to be an advantage to the guy hanging on.

For real. Right? Yeah. I mean, if you get Alex Caceres in a guillotine, there's a lot of shit he's got to go through. A lot of shit. It's not like my head was like, whoop. Well, remember they had Homeboy and Kana shave his beard. Oh, that's right.

Emil. Emil Mech. He had a powerful beard, too. He was calling himself Emil Meek forever, and then just the day before the fight, he told everybody it was Mech. Like, all right, man. Like, all right dude cool Whatever you are. Do you have to ease that?

Just make one II motherfucker Jesus Christ. Why does everybody have why do we have to keep the dumb way of spelling shit that our? Ancestors who came over on rafts because we all understand that you just can't make some shit Oh, yeah, no you can't when you definitely is E, all right? It's not eh. It's just not. It's just not. We got rules, motherfucker. We got rules, man. Okay? We got rules for sounds.

We got rules, man. I remember Roy being so pissed when he was fighting Kimbo. He wanted him to cut his beard. He's like, it's an advantage. What if I get a hold of his neck? The commissioner was like, it's Kimbo Slice. We're not cutting his fucking beard. What do he want us to do, man?

So sad. I know, right? Yeah, the personality wars, you know? Personality wars versus, I mean, look, it is Kimbo Slice. Now, beard is huge, you know? The idea originally was that somehow the beard protected you. But this is ridiculous. That doesn't make any sense. Unless you have, like, some crazy Rastafarian fucking dreadlocked out beard.

Like if you could have like a thick roped up dreadlocked out beard. Pirates of the Caribbean shit. Yeah. I think then you can make the argument. But what kind of a human is capable of growing the same kind of facial hair that you grow on your head? Has anybody ever grown? Jamie, look this up.

Tate Fletcher. Has anybody ever grown like a legit Tate Fletcher? A little bit, right? Tate Fletcher. But he needs to roll that shit up and braid it. grown like a legit Tate Fletcher a little bit, right? Tate Fletcher. But he needs to roll that shit up and braid it. He does now. Tate does. Yeah, he braids it sometimes.

He's like a... That referee, too, has that really long, ropey... Oh, that's true. He was just the referee the other night during a... Mike Beltran. Yeah, Mike. Yeah, that's right. He's awesome.

Yeah, Mike has... That's right. Mike has, like, ponytails. He has pigtails. He has pigtails hanging off his chin. Face pigtails. Mike's a cool guy. He's a great guy.

Very good referee, too. One of the coolest guys I know. Me, too. Super good dude. Super good dude. And he pulls that mustache off, being that cool. He's the only one. He's the only one.

He's the only one. If everybody started growing that mustache off, we'd be like, slow the fuck down. He's the only one. He's the only one. He's the only one. If everybody started growing that mustache, I would be like, slow the fuck down. He's the only dude. If you understood his background, it would make sense. He's a good dude, man. Great. Look at that shit.

Look at that. That's hilarious. Now, if he fought in MMA, they'd have to make him cut it because you could use that to choke him. Yeah, I guess you could. Yeah. Or he could choke you with it. You know, if he gets on top of you, he gets to Ezekiel with that. Go ahead and quit.

He's a brown belt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I wonder how he rolls. Eddie, do you know? Does he gets on top of you, he gets to Ezekiel with that. Go ahead and quiz him. He's a brown belt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I wonder how he rolls. Eddie, do you know? Does he roll that up? He's a brown belt, and he's huge. Does he put it?

That helps. That guy's big. He's a big boy. He's a big fucking dude. He's a Yosemite Sam. He's not 5'9". No. He's a giant dude.

And his son's even bigger. Does he put in like a chin bun, like a man bun thing? You'd have to ask him. He'd have to put like a thing over it. Yeah, maybe underneath the chin. But then again, that would kind of get in the way. I would imagine the braids could be avoided just like other kind of braids. And there's Ronda biting his braids.

Well, that was actually, it looks like, okay, yeah. So he just sort of ties at the bottom of it in like little rubber bands and shit. He's a great referee. That guy's on top of his shit. There's a lot of good okay, yeah. So he just sort of ties it to the bottom of it in little rubber bands and shit. He's a great referee. That guy's on top of his shit. There's a lot of good ones, man. This is a good time for MMA. There's a lot of super experienced guys that are just so important when you're watching a fight. When you think a fight could be stopped and then a guy gets through it.

Fighters know it, too. When you're in the back locker room, they go, hey, I'm going to be your ref tonight. There's certain guys you're like, shit. Who refereed Wonderboy and Tyron? Herb Dean, right? What a great job he did in that fight. Was it Herb Dean or McCarthy? Pretty sure it's Herb though. Those guys

don't get enough credit. They know the fighters and they know how tough these guys are and they can be in those spots. Everyone's got their classic fuck-ups as a referee. I don't remember any by Big John McCarthy. You don't remember Murillo Bustamante tapping out Matt Lindland twice? Oh, that's right.

That's right. Murillo Bustamante got Matt Lindland in an arm bar. He tapped, he let go, and he said, I didn't tap. And then Murillo got him again the next round with a guillotine. That wasn't a fuck-up. That was like the dude ghost-tapped or something. You know what I mean? No, man.

He lied. He tapped, and he said he didn't tap. Yeah, but that's not that. I mean, how often is that? It's a big fight. It's a championship fight. But looking back, thank God. It was Dan Mergliata.

Dan Mergliata. Great job in that fight. Great job. Great job in that fight. Yeah, he's great, too. Yeah, he's great. He's great, too. Dan's a really good guy, great job in that fight. Great job. Great job in that fight. Yeah, he's great, too. Yeah, he's great. He's great, too. Dan's a really good guy, too.

And fucking giant. Yeah, he's a monster. He's a gorilla. That guy gives me a hug. I feel like he's my daddy. Me, too. Sit on his lap. Thanks for the hug, daddy.

Sit on his fucking lap. But another really good referee. You know who's another really good referee? Josh Rosenthal. Very good referee. Yeah, hell yeah. Is he out of prison? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's out. Yeah, he's out. Rosenthal. Very good referee. Is he out of prison?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's out. Yeah, he's out. He was awesome. Very good referee. He got caught up in some sort of pot thing. Yeah, he had plants and shit in his house. Not good.

Whatever. But he's out now. I guess he's refereeing again for other organizations. But he was very good. I don't remember him ever fucking up. And really smart guy when it comes to MMA. Knows a lot. He's a jiu-jitsu brown belt.

I think under, who's he under? Is he under Cesar Gracie? I think so. I think so. But he's a legit brown belt. Or Half. It's important they train. Is it Half? It's really important they train.

Like McCarthy's rolling all the time. So they know what positions to look for, transitions. Isn't it funny how those Northern California guys are known as like real hard style jiu-jitsu guys. Like Half and Cesar. Isn't it funny how those Northern California guys are known as real hard style jiu-jitsu guys? Like Half and Caesar. And when you start talking about those Northern California jiu-jitsu schools. Half has always had a reputation of frowning upon tapping. Yeah.

Half's an animal. If you tapped in front of Half, that was the story. It could be totally blown out of proportion but us training down um with jean-jacques we heard we heard the crazy stories about half that that he looked uh down on tapping like you gotta excuse me sir you gotta escape don't tap how about dave terrell here's another one another bad motherfucker from the north of california there's like that heart he came from that same camp that hard style it could be a total myth though you know what i mean that's what we thought though we thought man he those guys are so tough but don't you like my heart don't like people have like a feel to them like you hear like oh this guy's a half black but you go like that's that's that's a like one of those black belts where you go those guys probably a savage better be on my yeah is this a half

black belt is like there's a super aggressive style, right? Wouldn't you automatically assume? Yeah, a lot of good guys came from Dave Camarillo, Dan Camarillo. When you hear Hickson, you hear someone's a Hickson black belt, you go, ooh. 100%. Whoa. Okay. 100%.

This guy's legit as fuck. Yes. 100% legit. There's no Hickson black belts. Especially when they're Hickson black belts, they're really game, too. like, eh. And especially when they're Hicks and Blackbelts, they're really game, too. Oh, yeah. Like, at the Grace Academy, a lot of Hickson guys go up there.

I mean, they are game. Super game. Look at Krohn. Krohn, Hickson, he's a cut above the elite. Like, Hickson is, everyone says when they rolled Hickson, you know, back in the day, that they were just completely immobilized and dismantled. Everyone has their Hickson story.

And you look at Krohn, very few jiu-jitsu players like Krohn. Krohn's got a serious full guard, serious guillotine, and his full guard attacks, you don't see that that much in grappling anymore. Someone with a full guard that's dangerous. Krohn's got that. Krohn's a little bit different than your average elite. You should see his workouts. When I was doing a grappling competition, Krohn was on it too. So I trained with him for like a week at his school in Culver City there.

Dude, they would do these two, two and a half hour workouts. His cardio is insane. What kind of shit was he doing? He would do this crazy warm upup, crazy warm-up, and we'd go over position, position, position, and then it was like a King of the Hill, where you'd match up, and however long it took until someone got submitted,

then the two guys would be at the end. Then the rest of the map would stare and watch those two guys at the end. Jesus Christ. Mm-hmm. It was intense. Super intense. Wow. And he does a lot of, like, nutty gymnastic shit, too, right?

He does that. He does the breathing thing like his dad. Mm-hmm. And at the end, Krohn and I were going against each other probably 15, 20 minutes straight, and they caught me in an armbar. Wow. He's not even tiny.

And he's tiny. Don't get me wrong. He's tiny. I was rolling with all monsters. And then with my big ass, it was just armbar. And he's always training with Nick and Nate. He's training with animals for a while now. It's been a while. And it's looking like his striking's coming together.

He's looking comfortable on the street. He's a special dude. Very, very special dude. Special genes there, son. Special genes. Handsome fella. He's looking comfortable on the street. He's a special dude. Yeah. Very, very special dude. And special genes, their son. Special genes. Handsome fella. Handsome little fella. Beautiful structure of the face.

Yes. Just like his papa, right? Yeah. But also, he's just a good dude to be around. Yeah. Like you feel like you're around a samurai. Yeah. Very good dude.

Yeah. Well, he's legit as fuck, man. I mean, he's the rare exception to show me the son of a great man who's a great man. He's the rare exception. He has the mentality. Because you look at guys like Julio Chavez Jr., you look at these guys who come from that kind of pedigree, it usually doesn't correlate. They're usually kind of soft or they're missing a few things. Well, Chavez Jr., the discipline was just not there.

It just didn't quite have the same discipline as his dad. But he was still talented. He liked to party, though. Well, donavez Jr., the discipline was just not there. Just didn't quite have the same discipline as his dad. But he was still talented. He liked to party, though. Well, don't you? Not like that. I think our partying's different. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure, man.

For sure. He's on that John Jones party. You know what I'm saying? There's partying, and then there's John Jones party. Well, you know, he's the son of, like, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, Mexican boxing champion of all time. Julio Cesar Chavez is a legend. When he fought Meldrick Taylor, remember that fight, man? Meldrick Taylor was lightning Olympic gold medalist during the heyday, the Mark Breland heyday.

Remember those guys, that whole crew of Olympic gold medalists? Pernell Whitaker. And Meldrick Taylor was just lightning. He just hit dudes, these ridiculous combinations. Chavez just kept slugging away, bobbing and weaving and ripping to the body and slugging away.

Did you ever see his fights outdoor in Mexico? Yeah, I've seen most of his fights. I mean, they're just like, it's like a fucking coliseum. Greg Haugen. Oh, yeah. We fought him in Mexico, but back to the Mildred

Taylor fight. This is what I remember. This is what I remember. Controversy in the first fight. The end of the round, it looks like Mildred Taylor was winning. He was stealing the fight, and then at the end, Chavez last round was fucking him up, had him

against the ropes, and the ref stopped it, but there was only like two seconds left. Richard Steele. Did it go down like that? Yep, yep. Two seconds left to the 12th round, and he stopped the fight. And he stopped the fight because Meljic went down hard, and he got up, and he was fucking out of it. And Richard Steele looked in his eyes, and he waved him off.

He said he would do it again, too. He said it doesn't matter if there's only two seconds left in the fight. He goes, I know this guy's not fit to fight anymore. He's like, he got stopped. Damn. He got him up. He looked at his eyes. And Meldrick Taylor was looking at him.

And he asked him some questions. And Taylor wasn't answering him. And he's like, fuck this. You don't get a lot of that in boxing. And Meldrick was beating him the whole fight, right? Yes. But in his credit, Richard Steele's credit, Meldrick Taylor was never the same again. Never the same after that fight.

He was right. He was done. He just was right in front of him, touching him, looking him in the eye. Let's see the end of that 12th round of that fight he was right he was done he just was right in front of him touching him looking at the end of that 12th round of that fight let's see it this is cesar chavez ko's meljik taylor and this was a fight where meljik taylor's speed and footwork he was just he was ahead he was ahead on the scorecard he was getting the better of him in the beginning of the fight that that ref stopped that fight and you hear freddie roach talk about he goes i wish my corner would have tossed in the towel or uh the referee would have jumped in way sooner in a lot of my fights.

Yeah. Well, Freddie took a lot of punishment. But if you asked him back then if he wanted them to stop the fight, he might have said no. Look how good Chavez was. My God. He was so good with his angles. He was our hero, dude.

He was so good. He was our hero. That was the greatest Mexican boxer of all time. For sure. Right? Who was better than him? You could learn so much watching his technique, too. That was the greatest. That was our Elvis. That was the greatest Mexican boxer of all time. For sure. Right? Who was better than him? You could learn so much watching his technique, too. That was the greatest.

That was our Elvis. Everything he throws is short and perfect. That was our Chuck Norris. He was a bad motherfucker, dude. How dare you compare him to Chuck Norris? He was a bad motherfucker. I was a huge Chavez fan. When he fought Greg Haugen, he was the guy that said, because he was like

95 Tijuana. All his opponents were taxi cab drivers. His son has skills. He just doesn't have that it factor. He's just not this guy. This guy's a different guy. First of all, his son is a winger. He wins bombs. He's a hard striker.

His son can fucking KO dudes, no doubt. He's a big boy. Oh, round 12. But Jose Chavez was a different kind of fighter. He was much more of a volume fighter and would throw perfect technique punches and would never run out of fucking gas. He would be on you for 12 rounds throwing bombs on you and just never letting up. Talk about a guy not punchy either.

Have you seen his interviews? No, he's fine. Pretty legit. Well, I don't speak Spanish. There it is. He hurts him with that right. Look at this. Dig to the body.

Look at that left hook, man. Come on. Look at him turn. And he turns him around and drops him with that right hand. Perfect right hand. Now look, Meljik Taylor's down, and the referee's counting him. He's eight, seven, six, five, four. He's, are you okay?

Are you okay? And he has no idea where he is. He won't respond. Mel Gitello doesn't know where he is. So Richard Steele stops the fight. That is a correct call. That's a great job. Look how mad his corner man is.

They're crazy because they thought he was going to win the fight. That fight was over, man. If they let him hit him again, he might have died. Obviously not. Well, you never know. I mean, I shouldn't have said that, probably. No, there's guys who have died. But you know what I'm saying.

Like, that's what that comes from. That comes from when a guy's done. There's a boxer who just died. Not just, but a few months ago in Australia, a professional boxer. I like the fact that they're trying to, like, if you listen to HBO commentary, like, guys would be, like, hanging in there in the fight, and you'll hear Max Kellerman say they could very reasonably make a case for stopping this fight. And I'm like, thank you.

I know, right? Thank you. Before, you never, ever heard that. You never heard that. You never heard that. Even the NFL. There's the guy who got rocked. Like, man, I hope he doesn't come back.

Hope he's all right. They're putting him in the concussion protocol. Who was that dude that just quit on, did he quit on Golovkin? No, no, Lomachenko. No, no, no. The guy against Sergey Lomachenko. He wasn't even really getting rocked, though. He was just outclassed.

He was like, fuck this. I'm not winning. Whatever. Even though I'm undefeated, I'm just fucking done. You're talking about homeboy Kell Brook. Yes. He was getting murked. He was getting murked.

You couldn't see out of his eye, and his corner was like, no. Well, he was fighting Golovkin. Yes. Yeah, but the Kell Brook fight was a little bit controversial. of his eye and his corner was like no well he was fighting Golovkin yes yeah yeah but two well the Kell Brook fight um was a little bit controversial the Lomachenko fight was much more controversial right where most people were like this is ridiculous yeah because he really was thinking yeah he just quit and Nicholas Walters was undefeated before this but he had he had taken some time off apparently and that was supposed to be like a big test for Lomachenko and then

even Max Kellerman he goes in the ring and he goes you know just just as a boxing connoisseur usually go out on your shield like you really weren't getting hit and he goes no there was uh there's a left hand in there that wobbled me and he's like well we can't like can you give us the time round anything he's like no but i was hurt man that's why i stopped and even you know max how many boxing matches it's like he's the the fucking joe rogan of boxing he was like dude like this this is gonna hurt your career man so they're saying all those years he put into finally establish himself and get this fight and then you quit and there's really no damage he just it was like mighty mouse just all around he didn't know what to do he had no answer. It was like Mighty Mouse, just all around. He didn't know what to do.

He had no answer. He was just like, I can't fucking. I'm just going to get embarrassed. I think he was getting hit a little bit more than that. I agree with you, but I think Lomachenko was really laying it to him. What round did they stop it in? Seventh. Seventh round?

The fight, the round before that. So was it the end of the seventh? How does that work? Or is it the beginning of the seventh? He doesn't come out to his corner, so it's the seventh round? Yeah, doesn't answer the bell right for the seventh. So was the sixth round Lomachenko was just putting it to his corner, so it's the seventh round? Yeah, it doesn't answer the bell right for the seventh. So it was the sixth round. Lomachenko was just putting it to him, man, and was just really getting on him.

And I think he saw the end. I was like, he's like, I can't even hit this guy. I didn't have a problem with it. I was like, yeah, you're definitely never beating him. As a fighter and most other fighters would go, fuck that guy. He doesn't have a fighter's heart. He shouldn't be in there. Yeah.

I think both arguments could be made. I agree. But I think I would lean more towards yours because you never know. Look, Chavez was getting outclassed earlier in that fight with Meldrick Taylor, and he never gave up. He kept chipping away. And people will define you based on how quickly you're willing to give up. But I think the skill level, do you know who Lomachenko is?

Dude. He's from outer space. He's an alien. He's this bad, rough motherfucker from Russia. He's this dude from Russia. Wait, Triple H? No, no, no. You're thinking Triple G. Triple G? Oh, yeah.

Different guy. Lomachenko is actually maybe more technical. He's more skilled for sure guy. No, Lomachenko is actually maybe more technical. He's more skilled, for sure. Pull up a Lomachenko highlights. But, Joe, to your point. Vasyl Lomachenko. To your point.

Check this dude out. Most skilled boxer in the world does no publicity. Oh, this is the video. Gets seven viewers. Well, he's 125 pounds, like you were saying. But look at this. Look at these fucking, the footwork on this dude. His angles.

His angles are filthy. It's so hard for people to hit him clean. He's just so technical. Like, he just pushes dudes around. Look, I mean, he's laying it to this dude. Oh, and you ready for this? He has seven fights. But Walters is hitting him too, man.

He has seven fights. Seven pro fights. Yeah. He just has so many amateur bouts. And he's six and one. But look, Walters hit him a couple of times there. See, that's where I could see your argument much more. I mean, it's not like Walters hit him a couple of times there. See, that's where I could see your argument much more.

I mean, it's not like Walters didn't occasionally connect. It's just for sure Lomachenko was connecting more than him. So for him to make the decision to just opt out. But look at that. Come on, man. You can't say he's not getting hit. He's getting fucking hit. Right there, he got hurt right there.

He's holding on to the glove. Look, Lomachenko is all over him here, man. I mean, it makes sense. Gold medal winner. He sees the end, man. Gold medal winner twice. Yes. Two separate Olympics, right?

Yep. He sees the end. What do you mean? He's getting fucked up. That's why Walters quit. You know his- Look at him in there in the corner, dude. He's fucked up. He's fucked up.

He's also broke mentally, too. He's like, i can't compete with this guy yeah and i just i i see everybody's point but i see the i see his point too at the end he looked like he was getting fucked i wish you could have got into freaking bernard hopkins here before his last fight have we we haven't talked about that right no oh yeah your hall of famer at 51. Check this out. Out of the... Have you seen this? Here's one thing I have to say about that.

Out of the ring. Boxing needs to do something. Boxing needs to do something about that ring thing. That should never be able to happen, where a guy can fall through the rings, the ropes. And here you're talking about a guy who's been fighting for 23-something years. How long has Hopkins been fighting? And he can still fall through the ropes?

Like, you shouldn't have ropes. You should have some sort of a mesh inside the ropes. This is Joe Smith Jr. knocking out Bernard Hopkins, who falls through the ropes, and lands on his fucking head. And Smith is a bad motherfucker, dude. This was a dangerous fight. Smith also has arms that look like a Popeye bad guy arms. Looks like a heavyweight. They're like too long. I know.

His arms are like too long for his body. He's like that game. Dude, he fucked Bernard Hopkins up. It was rough. Look at him. He falls on his head. Do something. And that was the end of the fight right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He fell on his fucking head. This is the worst part. Bernard kept going, he pushed me out of the ring.

And they showed the replay. Then Max is in the locker room with him. He goes, what do you think happened? He goes, I got pushed, man. It's bullshit. He just landed on his fucking head. That wasn't a real fight then, right? But no, it's a real fight.

He was, I mean, Joe Smith was winning. No, Joe Smith was winning the fight up until that moment. And then he knocked him through the ropes. With an uppercut? I don't know, man. I think Hopkins is done. He's done. But that's dangerous, the way he fell like that.

Super dangerous. He fell and landed on his fucking head, man. And no wonder why you can't hold him accountable for anything he's saying right now. That guy clearly landed on his fucking head after taking some really solid shots. You guys know the rule on that? If you get knocked out of the ring? No. 20 seconds.

20 seconds to jump back in. Why do they have ropes? Look, man, why don't have a mesh in between those ropes where that can't fucking happen? Damn. But this never happens. But it does happen. It's happened before. It happened in a, what's his name?

Ray Mercer fight. Remember when Tommy Morrison got tangled up in the ropes? His arms went through the ropes. Guys have fallen out of the ropes before. That's the exception, though. He's fallen out of the ropes before. Damn. This isn't the first time.

That's a huge fall. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The cameraman should be fired or beat when he went backstage. I think people can fall through the ropes. It just doesn't happen that often. But when you get tagged like he did. And he stepped on his foot, too.

Yo, dude, he was getting lit up. But go back. He stepped on a seven punch combo before that. Did you guys talk about that? No, I didn't even see it. Look, unless I'm retarded. Look, look. Look at this. Boom, boom, boom, boom. No, he didn't step on his foot. I'm retarded. I thought he stepped on his foot.

Well, it's hard to pay attention to everything in there, but that was a vicious fucking combination. And the reason why he went through the ropes is because his legs were gone. They gave out when his butt was down, and then he got clipped again, and his body just went limp. He also went through the ropes because that left frickin' hook from Rhode Island landed square in his jaw. That was not a push. Not a way you want to go out. That was just assassination.

Not a way you want to go out. I'm telling you, the worst part about that was him falling on his fucking head. None of it's good, but yeah. That's horrible. How do they not have pads down there? How do they not have some sort of a... Like, you know that's possible. Why do people fight on a platform?

That's a better argument. Fucking anything can happen. That's a better argument, to have pads down. Yeah. That's what they should do. They should absolutely have, like, judo crash pads. Yes. How hard would that be?

You know, have that shit as a buffer in between the tables. Have everybody push back a little bit. Like, fuck, the fact that that can happen to a guy like Hopkins who's been fighting as long as he is. Scary, right? Yeah, he has to be done now, man, because that was the worst damage he's ever taken. Yeah, he said he's done. The thing about it, he's never been stopped.

That exchange was awful. Not just for the punches, because he still takes a great fucking punch. He might have went down from the punches and got up and even survived the round. True. But landing on your head like that is no bueno. Oof, that's scary to watch, man. He could have died there for sure. Damn, that's twice I brought that up.

So extreme. But it's true. He could have died. He should probably stop being so extreme. But it's not. You guys care deeply, deeply about these fighters. You love them. Well, a 51-year-old falling out of the ring on concrete on his head.

And he's on Mount Rushmore for boxing. I think you got to give him credit for taking that fight. Because that guy is dangerous. You know he picked that guy out. I know. He's crazy. What the fuck? He thought he saw something in him that he might be able to exploit.

And he was wrong. How much money did he get for that fight? $7. $17. Like $5 million or something like that? That's a able to exploit and he was wrong. How much money did he get for that fight? $7. $17. Like $5 million or something like that? That's a good question. I don't know. $2 million? $1 million? He has a deal with HBO. He's Golden Boy Productions too, right? He's a part of Golden Boy.

So he's a promoter. If he got $1 million, it's worth it. Oh, he made a million. It's worth it. You made a million. Not if you're a guy like Bernard. A million to Bernard's a lot of money. You'll be fine. But he already has millions. Yes.

Bernard is a wealthy guy. But still, even if it doesn't matter if he has 10 million, if he made a million for that fight, him falling on his head like that. Not if he's never the same again, Eddie. For brain trauma? Yeah. For a million dollars? That's like saying-

People would line up. You've never had any brain trauma, huh? That means no. No, you haven't. It leads to severe depression that sometimes people never get out of. There's all sorts of real huge issues with your hormonal system. Like you're essentially compromising the quality of your life forever. I played peewee football.

Under certain circumstances. Does that count? 100%. Dude, I was nine years old with helmets. But I know people that have been KO'd that were essentially never the same again. $800,000 he made. Definitely not worth it for him. It was worth it.

It was worth it. I wonder if that's the whole purse. Because that might be just like what he got paid for the fight. That's a lot of money, dude. Come on. He might have got a percentage of the promotion because he's the guy that's part of the promotion. True. So let's say even $2 million.

A guy like Bernard Hopkins is not worth it. The problem is the way he landed. It wasn't just the punches that he took. Because he's the guy that's part of the promotion. Even two million. A guy like Bernard Hopkins is not worth it. The problem is the way he landed. It wasn't just the punches that he took because he's so skilled. He's good at moving with shots. He was definitely going out. That left hook, his legs were going out. He got clipped. He got hit with hammers.

He was going out. He was eating shots before that too. But if he went down in the middle of the ring, we might be thinking maybe he could survive the round or maybe the referee's going to stop the fight. He definitely wouldn't have taken that. The real issue is his whole body was limp when he fell. It just went right through. It's tough to watch.

Oof, that's awful, man. Just put some netting in it, man. Make it so that can happen, you know? Like, remember how the old school Valley Tudor days used to have a net in the bottom rope? Yeah, that's pretty cool. That was pretty dope. No, it doesn't have to be

that ridiculous. Like that, because that was like a fishing net. They would let dudes fight outside the ring like WWE. It seems like those ropes

were a little loose too. You could fall out. Those ropes were definitely loose. Yeah, that's not good. That's a huge issue. But that might have been something that Bernard liked so he could move.

You know, like Bernard is really good at like moving away from shit and if he's contained up against, like, a hard rope, he doesn't have that ability to pull in the stuff. True. And, you know, like, the best fighters who are really good at, like, utilizing the ropes will, like, lean back away from punches on the ropes.

And, again, it's Golden Boy promotion, so I'm sure he had some say in that. That's a good point. That kid is a killer. Well, he also fought in his last fight, he fought Kovalev. Like, he's taken on two killers in a row. Kovalev? Did you really think you were going to beat that guy? I mean, that's why we love Bernard Hopkins, but God damn.

That just shows you what a champion that guy is, that he took those two fights, that he decided to take the crusher, and then this kid who is a relative unknown to most people but super dangerous you know super he's got one one loss yeah he's super fucking huge he's huge and he throws bombs well I don't get it though because there's a great job at HBO right doing commentating he's 51 what else do you need to do and Roy Jones is the same way. Roy Jones will fly to Turkey, fight on some weird live stream, and just get waxed in the next week. I think Roy Jones owes a lot of money in taxes.

I think that's what's going on. That's what I had read, that he owed millions of dollars in taxes. From when he was a champ, maybe he got bad financial advice. I don't know what the instances were. That's why he does it? Yeah. That's a bummer. I'm pretty sure that's what's going on.

That would make sense because it's like, why are you fighting this random Russian? He's in Russia now, like a lot. He's a Russian citizen. What? Yeah, Roy Jones Jr. is a Russian citizen. He lives in Florida too, though, yeah? Might as well be Russia. They can have it. I'm kidding. My sister lives there

My sister I'm sorry Her whole family's there It's just weird Yeah When those guys fight Yeah Kovalev is

He's fucking He's out of Florida too He's been training Actually didn't he train up here For the last one I think he did I think he trained in Oxnard Roy Jones Jr.

Officially becomes Russian citizen With Moscow passport ceremony. Wow. Isn't that crazy? You know what, man? He's probably just enjoying his life over there, having a good time. True. It's just hard to see. You gotta accept

who he is now and not think of who he is now versus who he used to be. Impossible. Yeah, that's what it really is. Because one of the things that disturbed me, and this is going to sound so fucked up, disturbed me about his last knockout loss was how his body looked.

I was looking at his body, and I was like, this is Roy Jones Jr.? He looked like shit. He looked like he was not fit. And it's not an age thing, because Bernard looked really fit when he fought Joe Smith Jr. Bernard looked very fit. He didn't look like he did when when he fought Joe Smith Jr. Bernard looked very fit. He didn't look like he did when he was 30.

No. But he looked very fit. He looked in shape. He looked in shape. For a 51-year-old. But when we were looking at Chavez, Chavez never looked straight. He never looked like Melvin Manhoef. Julio Cesar Chavez was fairly smooth.

He wasn't like this jacked dude. King Velasquez style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just would still murder guys. So I feel like what we saw with Roy, though, was a different thing. It's like he can't be working out hard. He's just showing up and hoping to murk these guys. Well, he's so skilled and he's been doing it for so long.

He probably feels like he's got a certain amount of boxing in him. Did you see that knockout? It wasn't good. And another guy he fought, he fought a fucking killer. He fought a straight up killer. See, the UFC would never allow that. Like, say... Like if Liddell wanted to come back.

No. No, sir. Well, that's one of the benefits of Dana being your friend. You know, like Dana just doesn't want to have... He just does not want to be a part of that. And he's like, I care about him. I don't want him fighting again. And he's right.

I don't think they'd let any of those old-timers come back in. The problem is you can't tell someone what they can and can't do. They're a grown-ass man. But you also have to realize at a certain point in time that ego that a fighter has. But it's hard to say who's right and who's wrong. Because they said that about Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavlik. When he fought Kelly Pavlik, they said he was done. That's such the exception, Joe.

He's such the exception. He's the alien. But because he was that exception, we got to watch some crazy fights. But think about the other exceptions that it never worked out. Well, the difference is also Bernard had never been knocked out before. True. And he was really skillful technically, like really difficult to hit. But it also would diminish your product.

Like the UFC would never have like Coleman come back or Don Fry. What about a place? I think if Joe Montana came back, he'd try to jump the pass right now. What about that? That was huge. That was huge though. Yeah, that was huge. But, you know, that fight was, oh, man.

It's like you don't want to see a certain amount of deterioration from your champs. I don't want to see Jerry Rice catching passes right now with his fucking bad knees and balls hanging. I don't mind seeing old dudes fight. Old dudes, why not? Let them fight. Oh, we're so worried about their old. If they want to fight, let them fight. You remember when Ray Mercer fought Larry Holmes?

Betrasa, dude. Larry Holmes boxed his face off. Like, goddamn. Larry Holmes was like 46 or some shit then. We're not going to let you fight. Find out how old Larry Holmes was when he fought Ray Mercer. And this is after Mike Tyson had murked him. Mike Tyson murked him, and then Mike Tyson went to jail.

And then he's like, as long as that motherfucker's in jail, I'm boxing. And he came back out. He came back out. He was honest as fuck. What's that? He was honest as fuck. Yeah, he was honest as fuck. the fuck is in jail i'm boxing he came back out he came back out he's out for a fight again what's that he was honest yeah he was honest as fuck the king's in jail the case the line yeah i'm coming out well it was also everyone had when they fought mike tyson in those early days damn i would have loved to have seen larry holmes in his prime fight mike tyson though we got really fucked.

42. Oh, that's not that bad. That's a different 42, though. That's not like a 42 in 2016. That's a 1992 42. Yeah. That means zero Mexican supplements. Yeah.

That's a totally different human. That's a 1992, right? Yeah. That's a totally different human. Different set of 42-year-olds. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, different game. We don't even think about that. Because Larry Holmes has got to be in his late 60s or some shit, right? Yeah, that's a totally different human. Different set of 42-year-olds. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, different game. We don't even think about that. Because Larry Holmes got to be in his late 60s or some shit, right?

Well, I think he retired when he was like 51 or something like that. I think he had like a fight in his 50s. But Larry Holmes in his prime, like the Larry Holmes that fucked up Muhammad Ali, he would give anyone a run for their money. Those guys were scary how big they were and strong. That was the end of Muhammad Ali. Oh guys were scary how big they were. That was the end of Muhammad Ali. Oh, 100%. You're definitely right. But still, when you talk about

a vintage Mercer or you talk about fucking George Foreman, those guys were so big, man. But you look at Larry's body here, this is not the same body that he had when he fought Ali. He was doughier and he had a little bit of well, actually, he doesn't look bad right here, man.

Doesn't look bad right here. This looks like the Larry Holmes that fought Mike Tyson. Which was like... Hands down. Ooh, you look good, man. One-two. But a little slower than he was when he was young. Ray Mercer was always a fucking murderer though, man. He was a scary dude, Ray Mercer. Started late in his

career. Wasn't he a military guy? He started in his 30s. Olympic gold medalist in boxing. And did it from the army. He's a bad motherfucker, dude. And he hit hard. But Larry Holmes, once the fight wore on, got that

jab working. Whenever I think back to these fights, I always think those guys hit so much harder than guys now. Well, they were knockout artists. And a knockout artist like Ray Mercer, he could be a knockout artist in any generation. But Larry Holmes, he would give fucking anybody today a run for their money. Anybody. Anthony Joshua.

He would fuck up a lot of these guys, man. Klitschko. Larry Holmes. Like, go to Larry Holmes that beat Muhammad Ali. Because here you're watching Larry Holmes that's like 42, 42 years old in 1992, which is, like, 80 today. 85. No TRT and no vitamins and didn't know nothing about keto. But watch.

Go full screen and then just go to, like, the middle of the fight, man. Dude, I went off keto for the holidays. Look how good Larry Holmes looked back here, man. Oh, look at his movement. Yeah, way leaner. Way leaner, way faster. Look at his head movement. Nasty fucking jab. That's a different Muhammad Ali, though. Yeah, it is a different Muhammad Ali, and it's a different Larry Holmes,

too. This is Larry Holmes who was a punisher. Like, look at, he's angry with that jab. He's like, hap, hap. He makes a mean face when he's popping him with it. Larry Holmes was a bad motherfucker, dude. And he fought smart too. I mean,

he respected Ali and just like systematically beat him down. And it was hard to watch because Ali was way past his prime, way past his prime. Such a bummer, man. It was a huge bummer to watch because we were absolutely sure that Ali was getting fucked up. Yep. There was no denying it.

You knew what was going on. Yeah. There was no denying it towards, you know, the remaining rounds of the fight. I forget how long it went. You know the best body in boxing of all time? You ready for this? Evander Holyfield. Oh, yeah.

That's a good argument. Jacked, son. Yeah, he's about as jacked as you get. What the fuck? He was one of the first guys to legitimately put on muscle and move up to the heavyweight division too. Remember when he was a cruiserweight champion? Remember when he fought Dwight Cowie?

Evander Holyfield at cruiserweight fought Dwight Muhammad Cowie who was 5'7". The Camden Buzzsaw. 5'7". 195 pounds. Buzzsaw. What a great name. Dude, that dude was an animal he was built so weird

and he went up to heavyweight after that and he fucked a lot of guys up at 5'7 yes Dwight Conway I'm pretty sure he was 5'7

I'm not I don't believe I'm exaggerating that I think he was literally an inch shorter than me and he was fighting as a light motherfucking heavyweight

and a heavyweight cruiserweight is really where he started 195 but he was a tank he was fighting as a light motherfucking heavyweight and a heavyweight. And cruiserweight is really where he started, 195. But he was a tank. He was like this fucking jacked-up-looking, Husamar Paul Harris-looking dude. Looked like Oddjob? Yeah, but, you know, I don't know if it was supplements back then. I think it was 5'6".

It was 5'6". I was wrong. That is a short. 190. But watch him fight, man. It was just so weird because he was a dangerous big powerful guy look at evander holyfield then he was real that's the lean evander holyfield coming out of the olympics that's that mike leisen punch yelling at him yeah it's a different evander this was skinny

young evander but look at kawi man just just this tank of a dude short and throws these looping overhand shots and you're always punching down on him. Look at the size difference, man. And just hard as nails, a hard as nails dude. Going bald, just like fucking... I didn't give a fuck. He's like, I'm not here to sling dick.

I'm here to sling some leather. Look at his socks. Look at those socks. Those are some 1990 sweat socks, son. God damn. They were killing it back then. Kawe had a totally different approach because he was so short for that division. When you watched him fight, it was confusing.

It was like, oh, I've never seen this before. Like, Holyfield would be like two feet taller than him at points because Kawe also fought crouched. So he would move in, tight tight guard crouched tyson style no he had his own thing man a lot of bobbing and weaving he didn't have the same sort of combination ruthless punching style that tyson did tyson could just fuck you up with one shot and he knew it kawi was like a mauler he would maul you like that right there but he's fighting guys way bigger than him. You know, Tyson was

probably like 5'11", right? Wasn't he somewhere around there? Still short. Still short. Maybe 5'10". Still short, but a different... Ooh, Holyfield connected and drops him. Holyfield. Bad motherfucker. Best of all time, man. Remember his fight with Burt Cooper?

Another one. No, I don't. Oh my goodness. Chaos. Burt Cooper on the verge of superstardom and him and holyfield go to whizzer whizzer son evander holyfield i mean just oh he was awesome best go to holyfield versus burt cooper dropping some boxing knowledge on you motherfuckers don't know about mma yeah yeah that was a huge eddie bravo and i both man we were huge boxing fans are you guys still you still I love it me too I can't get enough of it oh he stopped him look at that he stopped him god damn we've been talking about boxing for an hour holy field holy field man in his prime damn I dropped oh that was the second time they fought Jamie that's the

second time that was when Kawi was older see Jamie. That's the second time. That was when Cowie was older. See if you can find the first one. Look at Evander there. That was the revenge fight because in the first fight, they went to war, and Cowie and Evander Holyfield went to war, but Cowie wound up losing the decision. It was like a big fight for Evander. So that was the second one.

What is this? I thought it said it. I clicked too quick. It's him fighting George Foreman. George Foreman versus the second one. What is this? I thought it said, I clicked too quick. It's him fighting George Foreman. George Foreman versus Kawi. How ridiculous is that? So George Foreman fought Kawi. Kawi was 5'6".

George Foreman's fucking hands were a foot wide. That's ridiculous. He fought at 50, didn't he? Oh, yeah. You won the title at 46. You know they say Foreman's the hardest hitter

of all time. I believe it. Remember that Michael Moore yeah. Foreman? He won the title at 46. You know they say Foreman is the hardest hitter of all time. I believe it. Remember that Michael Moore and George Foreman fight? Yeah. He dropped Michael Moore with one punch. This was when Cowie was younger and this was a really close fight. This is a different fight. The second fight Evander was just on a totally different level and

Cowie was older. But Cowie used to wear his waist his pants rather his belt way the fuck up high. The straps of his shorts were, like, way above his belly button. He looks like the blue guy, or the green guy from Monsters, Inc. Yeah, there's, like... Just all body. There's not a lot to hit there.

No. He's a little fire hydrant. But this is, like, Holyfield's first big test. But see if you can go to that other fight that we're talking about. Look how lean Holyfield is, man, there. He's so skinny. What was the other fight? Burt Cooper.

Go Holyfield, Burt Cooper. Holyfield, Burt Cooper was a crazy war. And this is like 1991, I think. And Burt Cooper was a bad motherfucker, dude. Smoking Burt. Yeah, go deep into the fight here young Jamie What kind of Oh okay

Avanza's getting a little more rocked up here son Yeah Burt Cooper was a savage man He knocked motherfuckers out too He's a vicious power puncher And this was like a sort of a make or break fight for him Oh Cause a lot of people thought that Burt Like Burt Cooper could fucking crack

And a lot of people thought that Burt Cooper could fucking crack. And a lot of people thought that Burt Cooper had a shot at being one of the top guys. And this was the fight that separated these two guys. Just an awesome fight, man. Awesome fight. Did you ever see a Vander's crib in Atlanta? It's not really a house. It's more like a campus. Like a college almost.

Like a straight up fucking... Giant university from the 1800s University from the it's like us Yeah, it's like USC or some shit in Atlanta. Yeah, like a hundred room man What is what are you doing balls? doing he went balls out, that's how Bron white described Larry the Cable Guy's place. That's what was he said Larry the Cable Guy's house looks like a university really He was like not Phoenix University. It's a Foxworthy house.

What did I say? Larry Cable Guy's Foxworthy house. Oh, Larry the Cable Guy's. I'm sure Larry the Cable Guy's balling too, though. Yeah, I'm sure both of those guys live in fucking giant mansions. Larry the Cable Guy's a funny dude, man. Is he? Yeah, he's a nice guy too, man.

I used to hang with that guy in the Montreal Comedy Festival before anybody knew who he was. And he was funny back then? Oh, yeah. He was a good dude, man. He was doing that Larry the Cable Guy thing on a radio show in Florida. It was like a character that he did. Because he'd have his regular stamp, and that was just a bit that he'd do? I'm not exactly sure the origins of it, but I think he started out doing radio, and then

from radio, he started taking it to the stage. But his real name, there's videos of him as Dan Whitney doing stand-up. Damn. Yeah. I didn't realize how big he was. I think, I wasn't making fun of him, but I was like, is that guy still alive? I think we're on this show, and you're like, what? Boom, Nebraska.

Sold out fucking. Arenas. Arenas and shit. Josh Wolf took a picture of himself opening up for Larry the Cable Guy in a football arena that was sold out. God, God. In the South, dude, shut your mouth. Shut your fucking mouth.

You got to think, man. NASCAR and fucking redneck jokes. This is what you got to think. There are 300 and who knows how many millions in this country. And you go down South, Larry the Cable Guy can get millions of people to see him. He might be able to do a million-person show. How the fuck not? Sky's the limit.

If you had a million-seat arena. He's selling it out. Larry the Cable Guy might sell out a fucking million-seat arena. And that's not bullshit. That's not bullshit. What is that about? Can you explain that? He's a funny dude.

But he also represents them. He's like a very good joke writer. He's a funny guy. They're loyal's a funny dude. But he also represents them. He's like a very good joke writer. He's a funny guy. They're loyal in the South. Well, he also represents them. Like, he's doing, like, redneck sort of humor. That's their demographic. Yeah, that's his character.

That's their voice. And it's really well written. It's funny shit. You know? And he's a good dude. He's a genuinely good dude. And him and Jeff Foxworthy was like the captain of that ship. Yeah.

And then those other guys. And Ron White. And he brought Ron White in, apparently. And Ron White was doing well. I mean, everybody knew who he was. I knew who he was. Everybody knew he was a well-respected headliner in clubs. But people didn't really know how fucking funny he was until Jeff Foxworthy put him in front of everybody.

He's a great guy too. Is there a super dirty southern guy? Ron White's pretty dirty. Ron White has this whole bit about how when he was in the Navy, stationed in Hawaii, he kept getting his dick sucked by hookers and he didn't know they were

girls. They were boys. He thought they were girls the whole time until like years later he was watching some show about during the 1970s when he was there, all these transvestite hookers that were operating in this one block that he used to go every day to get my dick sucked.

He's like, I got my dick sucked by about 150 dudes. He's talking about it last week on the podcast. If you haven't heard the Ron White podcast, listen to that shit. He's a genius. He's a brilliant storyteller. He's from stand-up. His stand-up is brilliant.

He's such a good dude, too. So he's the blue country guy. Yeah, he's the dirty country guy, for sure. But there's a bunch of those guys. You know what, man? I think when it comes to what we think of as country, what we think of as the South, I think people who live in cities are very prejudiced of it. I don't think it's the same thing today as it was 20 years ago.

I think with the internet, everybody knows things now, man. Everybody understands things way better now than they ever did before. If you lived in West Virginia in the 1970s, you probably, if you lived in a real rural coal mining community or something like that, like, man, good luck getting any sort of access to any information other than what's right in front of you in your town. But now, now you've got a phone and anybody tells you something, you can just check your phone and go, well, that's not really true. You know, I just Googled it.

And Stephen Hawking says that this is... These kids, they can be way more informed today than they were back then. So I think when people think of the rural South as being like, I think that was a problem with this last election. I think a lot of people thought that there's certain people that live in certain places that are just stupid, the red states, and then these people are ignorant. And they proved it with the election. Like, the problem with even saying that is people don't like when certain people

talk shit about them. They don't like it, right? It makes them feel bad. If you make fun of people who live in West Virginia like I just did, people in West Virginia get pissed off, right the they're not the same people anymore like our ideas of these like spots of the country where they don't have information we gotta let go of that idea like they just they're definitely like leaning more right in some places than left and that makes sense but there's still a ton of fucking people that get it in these places that

didn't exist just 20 years ago well yeah because especially to your point because the smartphones like everyone thinks they're like oh heck yeah like what's going on out there but they're fucking it's easy like you said to even bring up google or whatever any news like me my dad and i my dad's in town we're in an argument and he's arguing some point I was like oh cool. Just went on my phone was like nope wrong. Yeah, and of end of discussion So I don't know what you want to do Well people just have these ideas in their head and they've had them for a long time and You know if you live in a rural community And you don't have the internet you could just stick with those ideas and those ideas will be

Transferred on your kids and transferred on onto their kids, and you're fucked. You're fucked if you live in a tough spot like that. If you live in a bad place, filled with dumb people, and there's no new stuff coming in, you gotta get the fuck out, and you don't even know how you're gonna get out. Or if you just don't have access, like North Korea, and they just have no fucking clue what's going on. Did you see what they were making them do, North Korea Korea with Kim Jong-un was making them do on Christmas? No. He makes people worship the mother of the revolution

his grandmother who was the wife of the first dictator of North Korea who she died of mysterious causes in like 1949 and so like he is so anti-Christmas this guy he literally is like he's like a character and a dr. Seuss movie. Do you know anti Christmas? He's like the Grinch so they have to celebrate his dead. They have to celebrate his grandmother like the mother of the revolution You know that the fool is crazy the u.s. Made 18 Korean cities disappear during that war look at at that. And that's why he, I mean, 18 cities disappeared. What do you mean?

In the war, in the Korean War. Between when the North. We firebombed 18 cities. In the North Korea? Yes. Yeah, because. And then the whole, that's when the regime started. Well, the Korean War, when did that end?

50s? Sometime in? 50s? Sometime in the 50s? It was a weird war, right? People don't really talk about that one too much. Yeah, they don't talk about it, but they did. I was watching a documentary about how doctors, they're allowed to go into North Korea and fix people's eyes. They give them like a month, and these doctors from China,

they come in and they do the cataract surgery, and his assistant snuck in. She was a journalist. She posed as an assistant just to get in, just to get some footage on the inside. So it was about, you know, it is fucking weird in North Korea.

It's weird as fuck, and that guy is crazy as fuck, but at the top of that documentary that was not pro-North Korea, it was anti-North Korea. But at the very top of it, when she's breaking down what the documentary is about, she mentioned how 18 cities evaporated in the war. That's war, son.

Exactly. No wonder there's so much hate for the fucking U.S. Yeah, but that's not what their issue is. Their issue is their dictator is ruthless and is dominating them with fear. But he bases it on that. That doesn't make any sense. He's doing it against his own people. What he's doing is imprisoning

his entire country. I agree with that. Firebombing 18 cities is fucking disgusting. Think about that, though. It's almost just as bad. It's almost like you could understand. He was an abused child, you know what I mean? 18, can you imagine if there was a country out there, if there was a country out there that firebombed 18 of our major cities, how would we feel about that country? You would be fucking lynched if you said anything pro that country.

It would be that kind of country. You would be fucking dead. That's like Holocaust type shit. You bring up that shit, you'd be fucking dead. You'd be that kind of country. That's like Holocaust type shit. You bring up that shit, you'd be fucking dead. You keep that shit to yourself. Well, that's what, you ever talk to someone who is Armenian, who's spoken to an Armenian genocide denier?

There's a lot of, like, that Armenian genocide is a very rarely discussed Holocaust. I mean, not the Holocaust, but like, you know, in terms but in terms of the word to describe an atrocity. It was a terrible thing, and there's deniers of that. And when you find an Armenian and you talk to him about people that deny the Armenian genocide. Yeesh.

Like, remember Manny Gamburian? He won a fight, and I was interviewing him after the fight, and he was dedicating the fight to the Armenian genocide, to the victims of the Armenian genocide. Okay. And I remember thinking, wow, when was the last time you even heard about that? Nobody ever talks about that. Never.

Never? Never. It never gets discussed. I think over a million people died. And I'm pretty sure L.A. has the biggest Armenian population. Right? Pretty sure. Hell yeah. You go to Glendale, right? Pretty sure. Hell yeah.

You go to Glendale, fuck yeah. Wow. Okay, the United States dropped 635 tons of bombs in Korea, not counting 32,557 tons of napalm compared to 503 tons in the entire Pacific theater in World War II. At least 50% of 18 out of the North's 22 major cities were obliterated. Holy shit. Holy shit. Right? Was I right?

Yeah, you're 100% right. I mean, this is the internet. Are we in the library? Did you get that from library.com? Listen, that is terrifying. Look at the images up there napalm bomb so you kind of look at that kim jong-il or whatever the fuck his name is it's crazy as fuck for sure but he can't you kind of understand when someone's really crazy and they've

been abused and tortured as a child you you kind of like you have uh empathy for it i understand what you're saying but um i i guess the argument would be that if they didn't do it, what was the war over? The war was over communism, right? So what happened at the end of the war was that the two different countries, they became North and South Korea? I don't know the details. When was? I know it's probably fucked up. Find out when North Korea was founded.

Because this was like the takeover. 18 different cities destroyed out of how many did they say? 22? When was South Korea and when was North Korea formed? And when did it

become like North and South Korea? In the 50s sometime. So before that it was just all Korea? I'm not sure. I don't know that much about the history. Why do I not know this? All I know is we firebombed 18 other cities, man. That's some devastating shit.

Yeah, see? And we talk about all these different... Well, I think, again, back then, man, you never... Okay, North Korea's history, 1945. The partition of Korea at the end of World War II. Interesting. The creation of the Communist-aligned Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Okay. Kim Il-sung, in 1950, the Korean War broke out. So they broke off in 1945 and wanted to be communist five years later we were going to war with them man i don't know the history of it i'd be talking shit if i said i i had an opinion on it but it sounds pretty sure i'm i'm guessing that we we shouldn't have been up in their fucking mess unless we were worried that he was going to become another Hitler and that it was going to become just a further extension of World War II. Again, the history of World War II, that is like we don't really know the history of World War II. There's a mainstream history and then there's the real shit.

Well, you know, World War I too. Both of them are just like World War I is very bizarre, man. When you go back and listen to Dan Carlin talk about World War I, you realize how recent that was where most of these guys were walking everywhere, walking everywhere with guns. You're like, what? Like, yeah, that's what they did. They walked. They walked with guns. They walked across countries.

Braveheart with guns. It is ridiculous when you realize realize that was 100 years ago. You go, holy shit. What has happened? And now instead, 50 years after that, less, less than 50 years after that, they're napalming entire cities, wiping out whole cities. The ability, where it used to be, you had cannons and shit that you had to move and push them closer and closer to people.

The difference between that and being able to drop shit out of planes on people's heads. Well, drones now. Even crazier. Like ISIS, they get out of a car and just boom, son. Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Missiles that are pointed at Russia, and Russia's got them pointed at us. And we just go, yeah, yeah. It's where the fucking Hatfields and the McCoys just staring at the barrel.

Morning, Sam. Morning, Ralph. Morning, Ralph. Like that fucking, like, the fucking Hatfields and the McCoys. Just staring at the barrel. Morning, Sam. Morning, Ralph. Morning, Ralph. Like that fucking sheepdog and the coyote. Yeah, yeah. Old school reference, man. Morning, Ralph. Morning, Ralph.

They would punch in. They'd beat the fuck out of the coyote all day long. At the end, they would punch out and leave. Dude, that rooster on there. What was he, a rooster? He was racist as fuck, if you remember. Oh, yeah. I said, come here, boy. Foghorn Leghorn. Foghorn Leghorn. God, that rooster on there. What was he? A rooster? He was racist as fuck, if you remember. Oh, yeah. I said, come here, boy.

Foghorn Leghorn. Foghorn Leghorn. God, Foghorn was racist. Was he racist? Yeah, if you listen. I said, come here, boy. And he kept doing that. But he was talking to chickens.

No, he would say some racist shit. He was talking to chickens, though, bro. But the way he- He wasn't even talking to people. Racist. Racist doesn't count with animals. It doesn't? We're all racist.

We prefer squirrels over rats. You see a rat, you freak out. Noist doesn't count with animals. It doesn't? We're all racist. We prefer squirrels over rats. You see a rat, you freak out. No, I like a nice rat. You see a squirrel, you don't mind your kid playing on the grass with a squirrel on a tree near it? Ah, see, I like a rat. Yeah, but if you saw a squirrel, alright, if your kid was in the grass having a good time, playing around with a

ball, and then, like, 100 yards away, there was a tree with a squirrel on it. What kind of squirrel are we talking about? You wouldn't give a fuck. Any kind of squirrel. That big bushy tail? Yeah, cute little fella. Yeah, I like those.

Got a nut. Yeah, there's no problems. There's no problems. Right. If he was like 50 feet from you, kid, would you freak out? I wouldn't be comfortable. I wouldn't do anything. You wouldn't care.

No. It's just a squirrel. Squirrels don't do anything to babies. But if that was a rat 50 feet from your kid, you'd freak the fuck out, right? Yeah, because rats are so dirty. Because you're racist. What if that rat was clean? What if that rat was trying to better the rat community?

What if that rat was a leader? What if that rat was the one rat trying to elevate the other rats? We don't need to be eating garbage and cannibalizing each other. Let's be friends. We need to be better. We need to build homes. We need to establish communities. We need to build homes. We need to establish communities. We need to teach people about rat traps.

I like rats. Yeah, what if we're supposed to survive on rats and roaches? But if we did, that would fuck the economy up. Well, you know all these assholes that want to kill coyotes, man. If it wasn't for coyotes, we'd have roaches or rats at least everywhere. Coyotes eat rats fuck yeah they do that's like the main diet their main diet is like rats and rabbits release a bunch of coyotes to new york man let them go wild they're already there coyotes are coyotes

not like the city though we are in the city they're in the city dude coyotes are in every city in the country i just got done reading this book on them, Coyote America. Damn, you read a whole book on coyotes? Crazy book, man, by a guest that's coming on soon. Coyote turned up in Middle Village, Queens on April 27th. It was generally received as a freakish incident, but it wasn't even the first sighting of 2015. There's many coyotes that live in Central Park. There's coyotes that live in Queens. Yeah, they live all over Manhattan.

Well, they're going where the food's at, right? They go everywhere. They're all over the country. They're a small wolf that lives in every single city, every single state, all over the country. And we really don't kill them. We can't have them in the city. Yeah, we try to kill them. The biggest mass effort to eradicate a species ever was on coyotes and wolves.

First wolves, which was successful, then coyotes. Not only does it not work, it has the opposite effect. When you hear coyotes screaming, they're doing will call. They're just like, who's here? Who's here? Oh, damn. Yeah. They're trying to find out who's in attendance, right?

Yeah. After the attendance call is over, if one's missing or two's missing, so they think someone's dead or gone, the female has more babies. So the female will go from having four puppies to having 10 or 15. And then they also stretch their range out. They're different than wolves in that wolves have to operate in packs. Coyotes can operate as a singular or in packs. Now, what was that?

Okay, roll call and then someone's missing. It was really attendance. And then what happens? The mama starts making more babies. If they're missing. So if someone's missing, say if they have a pack. The pack is like eight coyotes. But one coyote gets jacked by a mountain lion.

They yell out. And when they find out that that coyote's missing, the females say, we need to make more babies. And to keep their species alive, they produce more offspring. So they'll go from having so they have four pups no no their pups are larger groups so from four pups to having like 10 to 13 it's like the body produces more babies damn yeah so they're smarter than the wolves oh yeah dude they're just smaller they're they're fucking ridiculously smart. They're sneaky. And they're smart enough to know to not attack humans. Yeah.

We leave them alone if we don't attack them. You don't hear a lot of coyote attacks. No. On dogs and shit. That's the only reason they're around is because they don't attack. They just happen not to be scared. If they weren't scared of humans and attack, they'd be gone. This professor that I've got coming on the podcast, Dan Flores, who wrote that book, Coyote America.

What he said is that coyotes, when like the, like a couple of hundred years ago, like they were only in the West coast. And as people pushed them away, they started establishing new territories. Like us making cities and going after them, made them spread out across the whole country jesus like and it's there's people that don't understand this like he got approached by this one because people know he's a coyote expert he got approached by these people that were doing this coyote uh rescue mission like we're here to save the coyotes like the coyote's doing great like you're here to save it like save it from what? They're everywhere. They literally have

populated quietly and sneakily the entire country. All efforts to eradicate them failed. When they have male wolves, they can cyanide like a horse. They take a horse and they'll shoot a male wolf and then they take his balls

and his dick and they rub his scent and his glands all over this animal so that the other wolves recognize that he's been there. So they think it's safe to eat. So they start eating this horse that's been cyanided. And then they would all die. And so they would attack these packs of wolves that way. They would shoot the male. They would take his scent, put it on this meat, take a horse, shoot the horse, inject him with cyanide immediately.

So it went through his entire nervous system or his entire circulation system. And so all the meat would be poisoned. And they did that, and they eradicated wolves throughout the entire West Coast until they brought them back into Yellowstone in the 1990s. They were, like, virtually gone. Big-ass animal, too. I was reading an article that they're thinking about building a bridge over the 405. And I didn't know this. There's fucking mountain lines.

Oh, yeah. Like in Topanga, Kenya. But someone hit one in a car because they're trying to cross over. They're trying to cross the 405 highway. Well, they have a problem. And they want to build a little ramp. They're in almost a land—they're in, like, a land island, like, around the Malibu area. Yeah, that's what they're trying to do, just to keep the big monsters alive.

Right? Yeah, one of them killed 11 alpacas and a goat in Malibu just a couple of weeks ago. They put a depredation order on it. They were going to kill it. But this lady who owned the farm got so much hate mail after they said they were going to kill the mountain lion that she changed her mind. Why would you kill it? Because mountain lion's doing mountain lion shit? Because she has a farm up there.

That's her living is making these alpacas. And this thing jacked 11 of them. Which you sign up for, lady. In a way, right? But if it's killing your food and killing your living, that's why you make a living is by selling alpacas or doing... I don't know. What the fuck is an alpaca?

It's like a llama looking thing. Who the fuck's hustling alpacas? Who's hustling doing... I don't know. What the fuck is an alpaca? It's like a llama looking thing. Who's hustling llamas in Malibu? What do you think you do with them? Rent them to rich kids' birthday parties? What the fuck do you do with a llama in Malibu? Llamas just sweating their asses off? There was a dude who owned the Comedy Connection that had llamas.

He had llamas living in his yard. Alpaca. It's a species... Don't they spit too? They spit like a motherfucker at you. It's a species of South Americanpaca. It's a species. Don't they spit too? They spit like a motherfucker at you. It's a species of South American camelid. It's a camel. It resembles a small llama. In appearance, there are two breeds of alpaca. Wow.

So anyway, this lion in one day jacked 11 of these things and just left them there. Damn, they're big. Oh, it didn't eat it. Just killed them. No, he just had a good old time killing them. Yeah, you got to get rid of that one. Yeah. Is there a problem with wolves and hunters?

Do they attack hunters or do they flee? They certainly would. I had a friend who was cornered by wolves. They tried to take his elk and they wound up killing, I think, two or three wolves. I think they killed three wolves. I would have to listen to the story again. He had one friend with a rifle and him with a bow. He killed two of them with a bow and the guy with him killed one of them with a rifle.

And they were surrounding them, and they were trying to get the elk away from them. Makes sense. They fucked up. They didn't know that they were in the wolf's den. It was like that fucking The Grey movie. They shot this elk right near the wolf's den. And the wolves were like, yeah, we'll take that, dude. That's some natural shit.

Yeah, and they surrounded these dudes and started started rushing them like really it's a crazy story and then the other ones took off they were like fuck this the gun i think probably scared them they're like oh these motherfuckers have guns and they did their their call they did their attendance call and they were surrounding them but they were the wolves must have realized oh shit they killed two of us like There's two that are gone. And then they killed a third, and they're like, that's it. Damn. He had the alpha male in

his sights, and he had his bow drawn back, and the wolf took off running. And when the wolf took off running, the rest of the pack went too. They were like, fuck this. They're lucky they had a gun and not just those bow and arrows. So lucky. With a pack of them? So lucky. Not only that, lucky it's not just one dude with a bow and arrow. If you didn't have that of them. So lucky. Not only that, lucky it's not just one dude with a bow and arrow. Like, if you didn't have that guy with a gun with him, you would have been fucked.

You know what's strange is killer whales have no problem killing other dolphins and other whales. They go after them and hunt them. Yeah. How come they don't go after humans like that? Oh, they have. Have they? Yeah, there's videos of them. But only in SeaWorld.

Only captive ones. No, no, no. Forget about SeaWorld. No, there's been a regular one in the ocean. What? In the wild. I've never heard of that. Yeah, I grabbed a lady and she said,. No, no, no. Forget about SeaWorld. No, there's been a regular one in the ocean. What? In the wild. I've never heard of that. Yeah, grabbed a lady and said, see ya, zonk.

Really? No, no, no, no. I think you're making of a story that happened in SeaWorld. No, I'm positive. This is in the ocean. He grabs the lady or the guy by the leg and just fucking takes off. Kills him? Takes off.

But how often, how many reports are there of killer whales attacking humans? I mean, does it happen? Almost none. They go after dolphins and other whales like it ain't shit. They have fun with it. They kill great whites, too. Yeah, they have fun with it. They go after other mammals.

So why wouldn't they? Oh, no humans. Are they that smart to know? Dolphins, too, man. Are they like coyotes? Are they like coyotes? Like, you know what? If we fuck with humans, they're going to come after us.

Are they smart enough to know not to fuck with us? Or are they being, is it like a spiritual thing? What is it? There's a bogus story that I read online that I repeated on the podcast before I looked it up. But the bogus story that I'm pretty sure Adam Carolla told me or something. I don't remember where I got it from. But the bogus story was that before, I don't think Adam Carolla believes this, by the way, before World

War II, they used to attack us. But then once they used to do target practice with them from planes, Killer Whale stopped attacking us. Turned out to not be a true story at all. That's a killer story. What a great story it'd be if it was true. Sounds like some bullshit. They used to fuck with us and they were like,

oh, check this out. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da What a killer story. What a great story it'd be if it was true. Sounds like some pussy. They used to fuck with us, and they were like, oh, check this out. They're like, yeah, all right. We'll help you guys. Fall in the water. We'll pull you out. Just please stop. Stop that. Yeah.

We could work together. Yeah. Killer whales are gnarly, man. Yeah, what's up with that? The gnarliest. Or maybe. See if you found anything. Do you see that video?

Or maybe there's a big cover-up. I've seen it, son. They kill humans all the time. I think it's a guy in a pond. No, it's the exception. Like, obviously, they don't hunt people. But grab this fucking lady by the ankle. It was like, yoink.

I don't know about that, man. I never heard that. I'd like to see it. Did you see that at the library? Where do you get your animal news from, bro? Hey, bro, Callan sent me that. Is there a YouTube video about it? Yes or no?

I found one fake one. I see one from SeaWorld. There's one where a Japanese whaling crew was eaten alive by killer whales. Is that fake? It's not a video. It just says it's a story. What was the story? Japanese crew was eaten alive by killer whales.

That's one of those fucking fake news stories. You hear that fake news thing about Pakistan? They literally were ready to go to war. I tweeted it earlier today. Someone believed some fake news story. I'm not believing this story. There's other news things on there. So it's a fake news story about fake news? A this story. There's other news things on there. So it's a fake news story about fake news?

A guy lost 200 pounds by jacking off 14 times. But no, no, no. That wasn't on CNN. No, that's real. It's from the same site. No, this is not from CNN. But the one that I tweeted earlier today. I saw that.

That was a fake news story. I'll pull that up right now. Right. That was about, but it was on CNN about a fake news story. Right? And then they bought into it about the war? They bought into it. But the story about the war, the potential for war wasn't fake, was it?

The Pakistan minister issues just popped up. Put it up there. A nuclear warning to Israel after being tricked by fake news. Right. But that's what I was talking about. Yeah. So that's real, right? That's not fake news.

The ultimate trolling? Dude, when they're talking about fake news site, that's the fake shit. This is the fake shit. Okay. Either way're talking about fake news site. That's the fake shit. This is a mean shit Okay, well either way whoever whoever wrote that quote that they put what first of all shitty being tricked by fake news I they keep putting that out there because they're gonna censor Real shit and it's gonna be government state run. They're going China style. Did they already do it in China? You can't watch anything you want in China. No state run. They're going China style. They already do it in China. You can't watch anything you want in China.

You go to China, anybody can go to China, but guess what? You can't watch regular YouTube. Why don't they have a space between Pakistan's and defense minister? This is fucking CNN. How about you put a goddamn space in between your words, you shitty, lazy editors. It's early, man. What is it, Jamie?

This is the telegraph.co.uk. Oh, okay. This one is? So what's the CNN one? There was a CNN one that I tweeted. This is not exactly what I tweeted. But either way, the whole thing is very bizarre. So Homeboy got trolled. He was about to say,

we'll take you to war, bitch. There it is, right here. Yeah, there's a CNN article. Duped by fake news story pakistani minister threatens nuclear war with israel what they're trying to do is put out uh scare people uh with fake news sites so that they could go in there and have a reason to censor and everyone's gonna go yeah fuck fake news sites let's fucking censor okay don't get emotional let's just communicate here Anytime you see something like that in quotes, they go, fake news site. Tricked by fake news site.

It's fake. People are going to go, yes, it's fake. It's fake on fake. You don't see that shit? It's honey dick. What? Honey dick in your face right there. Well, here's the thing.

Who's making these fake news sites? And wouldn't it be in the best interest of the government to make fake news sites of their own? Of course. Of course. So they could have a reason to not have fake news sites around. Dude, it's so fake. There's so much fakeness going on right now.

But do you think they could literally stop people from putting stuff out on the internet? I mean, if that's the ultimate goal. No, what they're doing is they're going to censor the top alternative media news sites. They're going after them. That's the target. This is a big trick that's going on right now. You're saying like CNN? No, no. No, no, no, no going on. You're saying like CNN? No, no.

No, no, no, no, no. You're saying like Breitbart or- Yeah, like Drudge, Infowars. They're putting out the real shit, but they got control of the media, so they're saying, oh, that's fake news. So they're creating a fake news problem that isn't there so that they can go in and censor the real shit. It's a fucking trick.

If you see it on CNN, I called it. Every headline, being tricked by fake news. They're getting everyone going, yeah, fake news sucks. Fuck that. Then they're going, yeah, it does, right? Look, here's another fake news site. And people are being tricked and doing all this crazy shit and walking into pizza places with fucking machine guns.

Yeah, let's start fake news. What do we got to do? Let's just sign it. Boom. They're going China style. They're going to censor the internet. It'll never work. They're going to blacklist you. If you're a news site that's credible

and you're fucking with the agenda, boom, they're going to go, hey, that's fake. Dude, you're off. We're in the middle of that right now. We're being assaulted with people being tricked by fake news. When have you been tricked by fucking fake news? They're not tricking us. The fake news is tricking you.

Settle down. Anybody can be tricked by fake news. For sure, they can be. And the question is, who's actually doing it? Is the government doing it so they can crack down on alternative news sites that are saying, like, WikiLeaks or anybody that's putting out stuff that doesn't agree with their agenda?

Or is there a real issue? Does a real issue end that? That's what I say. I say there's both. I say the government for sure would benefit from there being less sources of news and more that they can control. And being able to put the wraps on someone like Edward Snowden and not allow that to happen, for sure,

they would definitely benefit from that. But there's also a bunch of people writing some fake articles. And they do it for profit. They do it for clicks. There's a lot of fake shit out there. They interviewed him, and he was doing some. Don't wow, Eddie. Please, just be rational when you're talking about stuff.

We're not disagreeing with you. We're saying it's all the above. When I'm saying that people get paid to write fake news, I'm saying they get money from ad clicks. They can make $10,000, $13,000 a month. They interviewed this dude who did it, and he started getting out of control with it. He did it to troll Republican people, and then he realized how much ad sense he can make from doing that. And he's making a fucking sizable chunk of money.

Ballin'. So there's those guys, but then there's also for sure there would be government agencies that would almost be, it would be their responsibility to control information. Like if you wanted to control information, one of the best ways to do it would be put out disinformation, cloud the story. That's subterfuge. That's been going on in the CIA and the NSA. It's been going on in all of these secretive intelligence community groups. They do that forever. And all of these secretive intelligence community groups, they do that forever. If you pay attention to what we absolutely know about how they engage with the enemy, they use every tactic.

They don't not use deception. They don't not use propaganda. The $450 million plus they spent on those fake terrorist videos. Yeah. But they also had in their mind a legitimate reason for doing that. No, that's what they say. Come on. You're right. They're just saying that shit. But Eddie, it could be both. See, their legitimate

reason is they have a real player. This is how you watch those videos, or it's in a real player. When you click into a real player, it checks your IP. It knows your IP so it can figure out where you're coming from. So if they could pocket, if they could target pockets of people in certain terrorist-rich parts of the world

where they knew that there was a bunch of ISIS people or what have you, if they put out some recruitment video and they can find that there's a lot of people that are watching it in certain areas, they can sort of, in their mind, triangulate where these terrorists could be located. I have an idea.

It's the same. I was reading how... But it's both, Eddie. It's both. No, that's their cover story. Right, but it is both. ISIS does exist. There are bad people in the world.

There are terrorists in the world. Kim Jong-un is a real guy. When you look at the- He is a dictator over his entire country. There's a bunch of people in ISIS that have fucking billions of dollars. Where are they getting this money from is what I'm talking about.

Of course they exist. Of course ISIS exists. Royal families. There's a lot of sources. They're being funded this money from is what I'm talking about. Of course they exist. Of course ISIS exists. Royal families. There's a lot of sources. They're being funded by a lot of motherfuckers. And when you see who they're being funded by, you're like, you ain't going to fall for that cover story. That's all bullshit.

I don't think you're right. I think it's both. Okay. That's what I think. I think everybody's going after it. I don't think they're trying to stop ISIS, man. There's nobody trying to stop ISIS. They're encouraging it. They love it. They need it. They need fear. I don't know if're trying to stop ISIS, man. There's nobody trying to stop ISIS. They're encouraging it.

They love it. They need it. They need fear. I don't know if that's the case. What does it say? In case you didn't know, the United States funds and arms terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS when it needs them to disrupt a country. This is Dr. Jill Stein, who is running for president.

She said this the day of Christmas. She doesn't give a fuck. That bitch is ruthless. She's ruthless. She knows what's up. She's woke as fuck. She's woke. That's what I'm talking about. ruthless. She's woke as fuck. That's what I'm talking about. When you know this and it makes sense,

you can follow the money. It totally makes sense. Criminals do this kind of shit. You should always be suspect of the people running the show. They're criminals. You never go, if someone's obsessed with some famous killer, I don't know, like John Gotti or whatever, some criminal or whoever, and he's obsessed with them and he knows a lot of shit about this murder, that murder, this racket, that racket, this criminal activity.

When if he told you, yeah, you know what other murder he was involved in and you talk about it, no dude's going to say, how do you know that's true? How do you know that's true? Where's the evidence that you're probably going to go? You take his word for it. This guy's this guy's a criminal. He's fucked up all this other shit. And then he tells you about some new shit he fucked up. You're probably like a like a normal guy.

Go. Yeah. Even if he's wrong. I mean, he's still a criminal, but probably I haven't looked into it. But it's like that. When you could follow the money so easily and you just see the racket and you're just like, oh man, anytime CNN is attacking fake news, they're creating a fake news problem. I didn't follow what you were saying there until you got to the fake news part. You're talking about the government's reason for paying a U.K. publicity firm $500 million to make fake ISIS and al-Qaeda videos. Was it $500,000 or $500 million? I thought it was $450 million.

To me— I don't want to be wrong about that. It's a big wrong. If I say $500,000, I think it's $500 million. I thought it was 450 million. To me... I don't want to be wrong about that. It's a big wrong. If I say 500,000, I think it's 500 million. I thought it was 450 million. So when you see that, let's say you just saw that quote and you believed it. Let's say she's right. Okay, just pretend she's right.

Who's she? Whatever that chick that... Jill Wokestine. Oh, Jill Stein. Yeah, but what she's talking about, Eddie, is also funding the Mujahideen, which we were pretty open about. That's what became the Islamic terrorists of today. The people that they funded against the Russians.

Let me finish real quick. When you see a statement like that, and there's many people saying that, but there's a, man, there's one, just say, that's true what she just said. And then you find out that the government paid $500 million to make fake ISIS videos. They're funding them. And then they're making fake ISIS videos. Sounds like they want to blow that shit up. You know?

So when you see the cover story, when the government says, the criminal says, the criminal says, what we were doing is we were making CDs and we were dispersing them so that people would get them. And then they would play them. and we were dispersing them so that people would get them, and then they would play them. Only a terrorist would play that CD, so then we could track their IP address. To me, that's some serious horse shit.

No, but we do it the same with the drug industry. If they catch a drug dealer, they flip him or use him for something to get to the bigger play there, which is the drug kingpin, right? So same thing with this. They might fund those ridiculous videos. It's like you sound like the attorney for the criminal. But no, Eddie, the problem is you think there's only one way to this. I think there's like a lack of nuance in the idea of this. I think it's both.

I think for sure the government is going to make some fake shit. I mean, they told us they were going to do it to fight the war on crime or to fight the war fake shit. They told us they were going to do it to fight the war on crime or to fight the war on terror. They told us they were going to do that. They told us they were going to do it. They do it in plain sight. They're not hiding shit because people just go along with it. For sure. 100%. But also, there's also people that are in charge of making

sure. It's not like everybody who is in the CIA or the FBI or any of these organizations is like a part of some gigantic... No one said that. When did I say that? You didn't. Okay. I never said that.

Okay. Only a couple people. But the idea that all the rest of them would know that it's bullshit and they would go along with it. I don't think that's the case. I think what they're trying to do is figure out ways where they could locate terrorists. If they figured out a way they could locate a terrorist and it's through IP checking of people who watch terrorist recruitment videos, I don't think that's a bad idea.

It might not get everybody, and it might not even work, but it's not a bad idea. They're doing a decent job. Have you seen—now just switch subjects a little bit, but have you seen— Hold on a second. Don't you think that there's got to be some way, if there are legitimate terrorists in the world and you're trying to find them, there's got to be some way to find them. That's a good way to find them.

IP addresses if they're clicking on those videos. They're funding them. Why would they try to find them? They already find them. There's got to be some way to find them. That's a good way to find them. IP addresses if they're clicking on those videos. They're funding them. Why would they try to find them? But who is they, Eddie? Is it the same people? That's my point. Is it the same people that are in charge? That's one person, Eddie.

Is it the same people that are in charge of making these videos to try to find these people? Are they the same people that are also completely aware that they're funding them? Or is there a bunch of different factions all working together and each one of them doesn't completely be honest with the other? Yeah, I could see that. Definitely most of the CIA, most of the FBI, good, honest, hardworking people. It's just people, key people in certain spots, they're, I mean, they're funding ISIS. That's just one quote.

There's many, many quotes, but let's just say that was true, that quote, what that chick said, that's true. Okay, we're funding them. That chick, presidential candidate Jill Stein. Yeah. She's not the first one to say that. But anyways, let's just say that statement is true.

If it's true, if it's true, if they're funding ISIS, yes, there's probably low-level people saying, hey, how are we going to stop ISIS? But the overall agenda is not to stop it. If they're funding it, why are they going to stop it? They want to blow it up. They're funding it. You put two and two together. First of all, they're criminals at the top.

We know that. Everybody knows. Everybody knows that. So we got to treat them like a detective would, like your average bullshit-ass detective would go, this criminal. No detective would ever look at a criminal and go, ah, there's no way he would do that. Ah, he doesn't have the time to do it. He's not that smart. He doesn't have the smarts.

He's so unorganized. This guy wouldn't, this guy. No detective would say that. Be like, you know what? You're a fucking criminal. Let's look. Maybe you are innocent. Maybe you are.

But God damn, look at the money trail. Look at all this circumstantial evidence. It's just, damn. You know, look at it. And then the hardcore evidence, documents and shit. But if you ask ISIS, they're not going to tell you they're winning. Like, they're getting fucked up, man. Who knows what they're saying?

They're funding them, and they have control of the media. Who fucking knows what the fuck is going on? Who really knows? Nobody knows what the fuck's going on. You see how ISIS used to use Twitter and certain things so they'd get, you know, followers to see stuff and organize plans. Well, Twitter has someone who's just 24-7 merks those accounts where you can't have them anymore. Now they use Telegraph. You know what that is? No.

Where they can send a – you can organize a private chat room. So whatever, they have a code word. So all those ISIS followers go there. And then they logged in and somehow some guy got into it because you have to prove everyone in these secret chat rooms. And it says what they want to do. And let's say, just a crazy example, in Milwaukee, how many guys do we have? And there's seven. But we have these guns, these guns.

We're going to hit up this. Oh, I scouted. I did this. So they're going to the guy who owns Telegraph going, what the fuck, man? Stop these accounts. And he's like, you know, I created it so everyone can use it, man. It's high-level security. I created it for that.

And this dude's just getting fucking reamed for it. Does he not have the ability to step in? He does have the ability to step in. He's in Russia. But what happens is these accounts go up, and then after you're done there, they're erased forever. Whoa. That's why people use them. Wow.

Interesting. Israeli hackers have said this. It's why people use them. Wow. Interesting. Israeli hackers have said this. It's a crazy time, dude. Right? It's a crazy time. And then his point, he goes, I didn't create a fucking telegram for ISIS, but just like anything, we create something good, bad people follow. I can't control that.

Jamie, what was that guy that you kept telling me about? Was it Gary Vaynerchuk? Is that the guy? Yeah. I saw an interview with him, man, and he was talking about people using phones. And this lady goes, isn't it terrible what we're doing to these young people using phones? And he was like, look, you're looking at human evolution. We're not doing anything to these people.

This is what people are doing. And just step back and look at what's happening. And he was saying that because we're just going to be looking in the future back at this time, like this is the good old days before virtual reality. For sure. It seems to me that all these things are competing together, that taking over various aspects of the world, controlling global resources like oil and things along those lines. And they have windmills now that are the size of fucking 747s. Have you seen these gigantic windmills that they're putting together, trying to figure out how to dominate the size of fucking 747s. Have you seen these gigantic windmills that they're putting together trying to figure out how to

dominate the production of electricity and oil and gas and keep money flowing? And all the while, we're getting drawn deeper and deeper into this electronic world. Like, we've got some weird shit going on in our future, folks. Weird Matrix-style shit. Did you see in Dubai, they're already, they're building

it now with those tubes? So you can get from Dubai to wherever in like 30 minutes. Oh, those Hyperloops? Yeah. Elon Musk is the one who came up with it. But in Dubai, they're the first ones to actually fund it and raise the money, and they're building it now. Ooh, that's scary. That's a plane on the ground right now, son.

Jump in a tube and just... Imagine the feeling of going 500 miles an hour. Is this it? Hyperloop. 500 mile an hour. Is this it? Hyperloop. 500 mile an hour hyperloop train. That's not that fast. It takes you from Abu Dhabi to Dubai in 12 minutes. 12 minutes, son.

That's amazing. They're saying if they do it right in America, you're going to be able to live in LA, work in New York every day. Oh my God. Fuck all that. Can you imagine that tube? Who's jumping in that tube first? You're going to be in that tube for what? At least 500 miles an hour. It's god. Fuck all that. Can you imagine that tube? Who's jumping in that tube first? You're going to be in that tube for what? At least

500 miles an hour? Five hours? No, no. That's just starting. Straight tube? Fuck that. Elon Musk was saying like 1,200 miles an hour is what they're planning. 500 miles an hour is what I think a plane flies. I don't think it's any faster than a plane. I ain't going no tube underground.

That's true. They shoot you in a tube? So 500 miles an hour in a plane. But, yeah, man. Takes you five hours. This is crazy. To get across the country. You're going to be in a tube for five hours? It's inevitable.

They're going to do it. Well, it's going to be five hours now. Yeah, if it's 1,200 miles an hour, that's probably two and a half hours. That's a long time to be in a tube. Unless it's a big, comfortable tube and you can walk around this tube. How big is this tube? Is it worse to smell people's farts in a tube going 500 miles an hour on the ground or in a tube going 500 miles an hour in the sky?

The sky, the plane. How often do you just say, fuck it, I cannot hold these motherfuckers? That's so fucking rude. How often? That shit is so rude. Because most of the time you hold it in, right? Most of the time and try to time it for the bathroom. You got to do your best.

You got to do your best. You got to be a goddamn good citizen to hold it, man. Have you ever just said, fuck it, I'm just going to go for it and whatever. I'm just going to keep my eyes closed. Put your eye shades on and pretend you're asleep and just let them go. Dudes do that to me all the time. Every now and then I'm like, oh, this guy decided to just go for it. I'm like, I don't know.

It could either be this guy or that guy. And that recycled air just fucking your world up. There's got to be like a suction thing in the seat. So like a little button you press and it sucks. Yeah, it sucks the air don't think it's figuring out prom for them to focus on that. If you keep that fan blowing on you, that shit does help a lot. It does help, but it's not good enough. Oh, it's pretty goddamn good.

I bet that fan was probably for the farts. It had to be for the farts. Probably. Why else would you have a fucking fan? Wherever in a restaurant you have a fan blowing on you. That blows that hard. Just get some air. Yeah, hard. My shit is ice cold and hard. You push farts away. They need to fix fan blowing on you. That blows that hard. Yeah.

You push farts away. They need to fix that problem in planes. I bet they did. I bet they invented that for the farts and they never talked about it. Yeah. Fart fans. It's a fart fan. It's just called a fan. It's gotta be for farts. 100%. Or, you know what? Back when people used to smoke on planes. That's when they had

them. Remember that? Yeah. They used to smoke on planes and then it got to the point where you could only smoke in the back. So they had a smoking section. You know, I used to smoke on planes. That's when they had them. Remember that? They used to smoke on planes and then it got to the point where you could only smoke in the back. So they had a smoking section. I used to fly back then. It was crazy. That's before my time. I would be in those sections man. Because I would be, that's where you could buy tickets.

They would say the only tickets that are available are the smoking section. They would cost less. You go into that fucking smoking section, just sit down people around you are lighting up. Oh my god. I would cost less. You go into that fucking smoking section, just sit down. People around you are lighting up. Oh, my God. In a tube. I would throw up. Meanwhile, you...

Come on. The whole plane is smoking section at that point. Yeah, Dice Clay used to have a whole bit about it. We're in a fucking tube. I don't have to go back there. Everybody's breathing the same fucking air. Oh. He had this whole bit about him, man.

It was fucking hilarious. Yeah, it was a weird time. People used to be able to smoke everywhere. In restaurants, in bars, everywhere you went, people would smoke in movie theaters. I love that you can't now. I love that you can't now. They would tell you not to smoke in movie theaters.

People would do it all the time. People would get mad at them. Hey, man, put it out. Fuck you. That was one of those laws. I mean, the government worked. Fuck you. That was one of those laws that was a... I mean the government worked. Holy shit. It worked.

Well you know why? Because that was a good law. You know why? Because people were filing lawsuits. A lot of people that worked inside restaurants and bars, they were getting cancer. They were getting lung cancer from secondhand smoke. Imagine if your job was to be a waitress and you had to go to this fucking bar every day. People go, oh, guess you shouldn't be there. Well it's's a good job why should you be subject to being poisoned at a good

job like you have to like it's a crazy it's not like drinking if you're drinking and i'm not drinking i'm right next to you i don't suffer anything yeah but if you're smoking right next to me and especially if you work in a place where everybody's smoking man you're gonna die strip club baby i've never gotten the cigarettes you guys ever fuck with cigarettes? No, but I've had them before. I go on stage before with Tony Inchcliffe. I've taken a few drags off of him. He does. Yeah, they fire you up, dude.

It's like a stimulant. It's very much like a nootropic. Really? Very, very bad for your body, for sure. But stimulant in itself, like tobacco is a stimulant, for sure. 100%. Like if you could chew, I think it would probably be the better move. Like Donald gave me something to chew when I was here, and I was like, whoa.

Like this stuff fires you up. Does it get you kind of like buzzed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's why people smoke cigars, bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. I don't know where that came from.

I'm trying to slow that down. I'm trying to cut way back on the bros, but occasionally they sneak through. You can't deny the bro-ness, man. It's like they ruined bro by calling anybody who's an asshole a bro. Come on, bro. He's a bro. But yeah, man, for sure. There's no doubt about it.

It's a definite stimulant. If you smoke a cigar, you get a buzz. You don't see a lot of smokers these days, though. They're smart. People are smarting it up. Well, you hang out with athletes. I hang out with zero athletes, sir. You hang out with comedians that don't smoke? Yeah. Comedians don't smoke these days?

Way less. Really? Way less. It used to be almost everybody smoked. Chris D'Elia doesn't even drink. Yeah. He's never drank or smoked. There's a lot of guys who don't drink. But back in the day, man, most guys smoked. Like R used to smoke doesn't drink or smoke. There's a lot of guys who don't drink. But back in the day, man, most guys smoked. R used to smoke. Duncan used to smoke. Joe used to smoke. Red Band still smokes.

No, no, I never smoked. Was the athlete in you? Yeah, I was healthy. I was still working out. All the time, I was doing stand-up. In the beginning, I was kickboxing. Then I got into jiu-jitsu. I did jiu-jitsu straight through. I never didn't exercise. Yeah, you can't smoke cigarettes and do jiu-jitsu. I did jujitsu straight through. I never didn't exercise. Yeah, you can't smoke cigarettes and do jujitsu. You can, but you're going to get fucked.

You're going to miss a lot. It's tough. I mean, you're not just working out. You're playing a game of death, and if you tap out because you fucking gas out, you got tapped out, and that never feels that good. That's why jujitsu is so... People get obsessed with it so much. That's why Joe Schilling is a crazy example. He's crazy.

He smokes. Joe Schilling is a world-class kickboxer, and he smokes. Smoking is down? All the time. Whoa. Pack a day. Whoa. That's amazing.

Did he say he smokes a pack a day? Not in camp. He said he's cutting back, but I think he was up to that, yeah. Yeah, not in camp. Quit for a little while, did it again. He needs to get on them robot dicks. Suck on one of them robot dicks. Oh, it's a dick?

You want him to start sucking dick? Those strawberry clouds. Yeah, they do smell nice, too. They smell good. I don't mind if people do those. I don't think it gives you the buzz that a cigarette does, though. I think a cigarette gives you a very specific buzz. All those chemicals and the thick smoke.

There's a fucking, if anyone's come back and talk more theories on conspiracies, which is always wonderful. It's always fantastic. He gets so worked up. He's so mad. He gets so worked up. We barely talked about the UFC. Everybody's so mad right now.

Zero. Tough shit. Zero. Tough shit. It's what we do. It's what we do. It's how it goes, folks. We're all like, yeah, UFC campaign.

That'd be so much fun. So much fun. We still have time. Yeah, UFC campaign. That'd be so much fun. So much fun. We still have time. But they did, the FDA approved like 500 plus chemicals to put them in a cigarette.

They're all designed to make you more and more addicted to it. Yeah, but did you know cigarettes have never been less popular? And my generation, they think it's going to be the final kind of straw to get rid of smoking. Because now it's just, it's more of a healthier kind of vibe now with millennials and stuff like that. So smoking is, you're fucked. Like really no one's doing it. I wonder if Chew will carry on. They need more of those dudes that get their jaw removed.

You don't see a lot of chewers either, do you? Like that one guy with jaw cancer. Because we're up here. We're in California. If we're down south in Georgia or some shit like that, I bet they're chewing left and right. That's a good point. What if you had a hidden camera

and you put it on the chew section of a store? A lot of chewies. A lot of fucking sloppy looking... Do you call them chewies? People who chew? Chewies. I don't know. You could do if you wanted to.

You a chewy? Like have a club? Yeah. I don't think so. You don't think they call chewies? I don't think that's going to work. No. Oh. Well. Oh.

Well. We're talking about the smoke business. You can chew, and like Donald has fantastic cardio, and he chews. Or dips. Was it a dip or a chew? A dip. Dip. Pretty much the same thing.

Pretty much the same thing, but the chew is like, remember those old school baseball players who looked like squirrels? Yes. They would have that shit like a... Lenny Dykstra. Yeah. You know what's really crazy, man? Have that shit like a... Lenny Dystra?

Yeah. You know what's really crazy, man? That is probably very similar to what it feels like when you're chewing those coca leaves. But the coca leaves are illegal. Like when those guys in Peru, they take those coca leaves and they put them in the side of their mouth and they chew on them. They chew on them all the time. And you also get actual vitamins from the... Flavonoids, I guess.

God damn. Yeah, look at that guy. Do you need that many? Yeah. That's cat, Jamie. That's the wrong stuff. You want coca leaves. That's a stimulant or a narcotic, rather.

That cat stuff is very much like not a narcotic. It's like meth. Damn. Out of a plant? Yeah. It makes them crazy. They do a lot of crazy shit on it. But this stuff is coca leaves.

They take it, and they pack their mouth with it, and they chew on it, and it has an effect, a stimulant effect that's similar to a cup of coffee. I've never done it, but I have had a tea that was made out of it. It was a mate de coca tea. Were you crunk? No, but I couldn't shut the fuck up, which is always a problem already. Or awesome. Yeah, depending on what your job is. No, it wasn? No, but I couldn't shut the fuck up, which is always a problem already. Or awesome. Yeah, depending on

what your job is. No, it wasn't coke because I wasn't jacked. I don't know. I've never done coke. That's where coke comes from, right? Yes, exactly. But it's chewing the leaves

versus the processed soup. It's like the difference between getting your sugar from eating an orange versus eating a couple of tablespoons of real processed sugar. Your body's like, what the fuck is this?

Where the hell is this shit coming from? Your body doesn't know what the fuck to do with a spoon of sugar. It's like, why is this alone? Where's all the fiber? Where's the fucking vitamins? What did you do, you crazy asshole? And that's what cocaine is. And that's why you can fuck with fruit, because the fiber, right?

Because it breaks down different. And that's why I think these people that chew these coca leaves, they get a totally different experience than someone who does coke. I need to try it, though. I never chewed the leaves. I think that would be popular in the States. It should be legal, bro. It should be 100% legal. It's illegal?

Yeah, it's illegal. You can't even have those leaves. The problem is you could take those leaves, you could process it into cocaine, which, by the way, is an actual ingredient in Coca-Cola still. Cocaine is still? Yes. No way. Yes, it is. I thought they got rid of it.

They take coca leaves, they process the coca leaves, and they make medical cocaine with it. And the same plant that does this, the same processing place that does this, ships the flavors of it to Coca-Cola. So it's one of the main flavors they use. Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola are two totally different tasting things. Not even close. And one of the reasons why they taste different is Coca-Cola used to have cocaine in it and now it's flavored by coca leaves.

Google that. Coke is so much better than Pepsi? Google that. Look at this. To this day, dude, coca extraction says it's got cocaine-free leaves that. For that reason, son. Look at this. To this day, dude, coca extraction. It says it's got cocaine-free leaves that are sold to Coca-Cola. Exactly. So they take these coca leaves,

the factory processes them, turns them into medical cocaine, and the rest of the shit that's processed without cocaine in it is shipped to Coca-Cola and they use it for flavor. Dude, you are dropping some fucking knowledge. Hey, the medical cocaine,

what is cocaine for medical reasons? Lidocaine, which is one of the things that they use. It's like the gay cousin of cocaine. They use it for, it doesn't get you high, but it numbs you up. Damn. Yeah, it's... Where else is this going?

We drink a lot of Coca-Cola. They must be making a lot of medical cocaine, man. Oh yeah, they must be making ridiculous amounts of it. I wonder how much the actual flavor they get out of the leaves versus actual cocaine. It probably takes a lot of leaves to get cocaine. When's the last time you had a nice, ice-cold Coca-Cola? I don't drink that shit anymore. It's terrible for you.

It's terrible. I had a Diet Coke last night, though. Well, that's even worse. Yeah, it's even worse. That shit is toxic. I very rarely do, but I said, fuck it, it's Christmas. Dude, I did too

and I had a regular Coke. Do they know it's Christmas time at all? I had a regular Coke and that shit is delicious. So good. There's a reason why people are addicted to it.

With barbecue? Come on. I was addicted as a kid. I'd wake up in the middle of the night and run down to the 24-hour liquor store and get a couple cans of Coke

and just like down in one drink. I had to drink whole cans in one drink. I obsessed with sodas man think about how much sugar is in those and how much caffeine i love the burn the burn in my throat i'm addicted to that burn i just want the constant burn when it's cold too oh it's nice that's nice it does not taste the same does not taste the same out of those fucking fountains. You better stop calling that Coca-Cola. Oh, I know. Get that shit out of there.

You know you're a goddamn liar. That is not the same formula. It's got to be out of a can. You get a Coca-Cola at a bar, 100%. It's got to be out of a can. Or a bottle. Or a bottle. Or that Mexican bottle with the cane sugar.

You're talking about that green bottle. No, the ones that you get at certain burrito stores. Yeah, and it has a green Coca-Cola on it. Is it green? Yeah, because that's how you know it's a pure cane sugar. Oh. Green? Green's a different kind.

Is it? I don't know what the fuck you're talking about again. Well, it's the Mexican cola, son. Yeah, fucking killer's how you know it's a pure cane sugar. Oh, green? Green's a different kind. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. No, that's the Mexican cola, son. Yeah, fucking killer whales are attacking people, and the soda's green. Callum, drop it off on me. I'm making shit up. Speaking of Paige Van Zandt, Michelle Watterson, not to be confused with Michelle Waterman. Ron Waterman. Coca-Cola Life Cane, Sugar, and Stevia

Oh, that's that bullshit Is this a new one? They're putting Stevia Oh, Stevia's a good move But Cane, Sugar, and Stevia They put like a little dab of Stevia And a bucket of sugar Get that poison on my fucking face

People need the real shit Hey, I love Stevia Zevia, have you ever tried that? Oh, look at that Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah We have some here You want some? Oh, I love Zevia. Zevia, have you ever tried that? Oh, look at that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have some here. You want some? We have some.

Oh, I love that stuff. Yeah, they sent me a bunch of it. What is it? Not even paying me to say it. And we drank it on air, didn't we? I don't know. What is it? It's soda flavored with Stevia.

Oh, that shit's delicious. They make like an energy drink. Yeah. It's good. Stevia's good, man. I like it. It doesn't fuck with you. I like to put it in coffee.

It doesn't fuck with your blood sugar levels. It tastes better. I agree. It doesn't fuck with you I like to put it in coffee Doesn't Doesn't fuck with your Blood sugar levels Tastes better I agree It doesn't seem to have Any negatives I mean I don't know What it's like if you abuse it

But I think If you eat a hundred oranges Your body's gonna feel like shit Well I'll let you know Because I abuse the shit out of it Do you? Yeah According to Dan Quinn though

It's uh Yeah that guy's on the ball So let's talk about Dominic Cruz and Cody Garbrandt man Killer whales Uh yeah Two hours into the podcast People are like Fuck you What in the fuck ball. So let's talk about Dominic Cruz and Cody Garbrandt, man. Killer whales. Yeah. Two hours into the podcast, people are like, fuck you! What in the fuck? Is this a

boxing podcast? It's a Coca-Cola podcast. This is what happens when you have a producer, or like, you know, engineer, or rather executive. You look at the money line, Cody's not that big of an underdog. Well, Cody's fucking dangerous. Super dangerous.

But here's the question. Has he ever faced anybody that moves the way Dominic does? And we've seen with so many guys that they have a really hard time hitting Dominic. He's a really hard time to hit. Okay, so Dominic is a 2-1 favorite. Correct. You know, which is, I'd say that's, well, Cody's 175. So the real spread is only 35 cents on a dollar, a dollar bet.

Not crazy. Not crazy. Especially how good Dominic is. Yeah. What they're banking on, I think, you know, Cody hasn't, Mizugaki's his best win, which was his last fight. So that's what got him this title shot. Here's something. They're banking on him landing on Dominic.

Here's something people aren't talking about. Lineker and TJ Dillashaw is on the same card. That's a crazy fucking fight, man. Lineker is scary. Lineker is super scary. He's terrifying. Look at the build on that little monkey. He's built like a chimpanzee.

Dude, he's- Like a pounder. When I say little monkey, that is in no way racist, ladies and gentlemen. I call myself a monkey. I just want to specify. Lineker? Wasn't he 125? Yes, he was 125.

He has a real talent and he has real power. He's a scary guy. Him or Cody's the hardest hitters. That's a fun fight. Lineker's a different kind of hitter though. I think Cody's lightning fast and beautiful combinations and beautiful

footwork. Better technique. The angles that he cut when he knocked out um uh thomas uh almeida almeida when he knocked out thomas almeida like almeida was undefeated very scary and he cut some serious fucking angles and dropped some bombs on him it's like whoa you know cody's background speed of entry yeah his uncle was alternative olymp boxer. His dad was a boxer. And they just put this little ball of hate into him. But he's a ridiculous wrestler, too. His kind of knockout power is a different kind of knockout power than Lineker. Lineker is almost like a guy that is 20 or 30 pounds bigger than him.

It's weird. Like, he hits guys, and you see them like, oh! Yes. He's hitting you on the arms with these bombs and he takes a shot extremely well. When he fought Francisco, when you watch the combination of those two guys unloaded in the first round, you're like, Jesus Christ, Francisco Rivera is a bad motherfucker. He's a very good striker. And he just decided to go to war with Lineker. And Lineker was just dropping bombs on him.

And you go, Jesus, he can do this even at 135. Maybe even better at 135. And I love to watch Lineker fight. I don't think, for right now, I don't think he'll be champion with that style of fighting. That pull forward and only boxing. Watch what happens when TJ. Because it's easy to game plan for TJ and Dwayne Ludwig. They're going to go, all right, this is what we do.

And you're going to see them angles, mixing it up. I'm excited about it because of that very reason. Me too, I'm excited about it. I think TJ is spectacularly talented, no doubt. And TJ has amazing footwork and all the Dwayne system. But Lineker's got something special, man. I've very rarely seen a guy at his weight class that hits people the way he does. It's almost like he's doing a different thing.

Yeah, it's a different kind of monster. Those fights are very similar where Cody Garbrandt just needs one to win the fight. Lineker needs one to win the fight. Don McCrew's footwork's ridiculous. TJ Dillshaw's footwork, ridiculous. But you've got to think, TJ KO'd Hennon Burborough twice, dropped him in the first round with a straight right hand. It's not like TJ doesn't have power. Not Littaker power. He doesn't have the same kind

of power, but he's got way more options as far as movement. You know, so it's gonna be very interesting to see how that plays out. That's what I'm saying. It's kinda like you have this movement game. And remember, that fight's only three rounds, which hurts I think TJ. I think it hurts TJ. Because he's gotta survive the storm. Yeah. Yeah. It hurts TJ because TJ he's got to survive the storm. Yeah. Yeah.

It hurts TJ because TJ moves so good, man. He's hard. Like in the Burrell fight, you saw it like right away. Burrell's got that like linear style, presses forward. Those were five rounds though, right? Because that footwork's going to, that's going to be hard to follow if you're that straightforward pressure fighter. Four championship rounds, you're like, Jesus Christ, and starts wearing on you. And then TJ takes over.

That's interesting. That's a good point. I think TJ is definitely in a tricky situation because he wanted that rematch, wanted that title fight. He was really close in the first fight with Dominic Cruz. It was a real close decision. He just told me, they basically were like, you won that fight. I think Dana even agreed. It was like, you won that fight, man.

It was a very close fight. No doubt about it. Whoever you believe won that fight. And then Dominic goes on and beats Uriah and beats him handily. And now Dominic is stepping in to fight him. And he's got a... He's fighting Cody. And he's got a really

tough fight on that same card. And a really tough fight. Where if he loses that fight, fuck, man. Back in the line. And this is a guy that has missed weight a couple of times. And Lineker is kind of tricky in that situation where he's missed weight at featherweight. Or missed weight, rather, at flyweight. Yeah.

A couple of times. And hasn't he missed weight at bantamweight, too? Yes, once. Yeah. So this is a guy that's going to come in big as fuck. He's very dangerous. Hits super hard. Like, in a creepy way.

Creepy hard. It's almost like a heavyweight fight for TJ because you make one mistake and Lineker lands, it's over. If you're fighting Dom, you make some mistakes, you can get lit up, he's not going to end your night. Pull up Lineker versus McDonald. Mike McDonald is a fucking straight killer. That kid's a bad motherfucker. He's got vicious power. He went away for a while, right?

Had some injuries. Yeah, had some injuries. Lost to Uriah. Uriah mauled him. That kid's a bad motherfucker. He's got vicious power. He went away for a while, right? Had some injuries. Yeah, had some injuries. Lost to Uriah. Uriah mauled him. That was the big one. When Uriah murked him. Because he finally came back and then Uriah murked him.

He went away. It was one of Uriah's finest performances. Uriah cracked him with the right hand. Got a hold of that neck and just put the full Uriah on him as far as his guillotine.

That mounted guillotine. Just fucking... But it's almost like a 135 tournament because you have, you tournament because you have Cody and Dom. Then you have TJ, Lineker. The loser's going to fight the loser. The winner's going to fight the winner. Let's watch.

Check out that. Do you find that fight? Lineker versus Michael McDonald, KO? I had it, but it pulled up at wrong fight for some reason. Oh, these sons of bitches. Here it is. So Michael McDonald, real classical style, real good at punching power. Not built like a scary guy, but a vicious knockout artist.

Like, one of those guys where the body really sort of is very deceptive. And remember, he was, like, top, top prospect, too. He was a big, big prospect to see Uriah. Or Hennon Burrell first. He lost to Hennon Burrell, right? And then he came back and fought Uriah. Wasn't that the case? How tall is Lineker?

He's short. He's short. But he's about the same height as Dwight Cowie. Yeah. 5'6". 5'6". I don't know. I don't think he is, honestly.

I think he's 5'4". He's a small little dude. He's a small guy. But he hits like a fucking Mack truck. Yeah, almost creepy in his power, man. And so confident in it, too. But, again, to the point where I don't think he's ever going to be a champ, you look at a guy like John Dotson who just outworked him,

and I thought he lost that fight. Granted, they gave it to Lineker. Yeah, well, it was close enough. I mean, oh, look, he hurt him there. Look, he hurt him there. You could see. Mike McDonald steps back and is like, oh, Jesus. There's a feeling that guys get when he connects on them.

When you see it in their eyes, they're like, holy shit. This is a different thing here. That's not snowflake. That's not snowflake move. Yeah. No, and he's also got a ridiculous chin. When he stood in front of Rivera. He's going like this.

Yeah. Like, come on. They were just banging it out. And Rivera flattens people. So as you watch Lineker walk him down here, you're looking at this kid who's just got unique power. Like, really unique. And even a guy like, look at that.

Boom. Michael McDonald recognized him. He goes down there. Look, he goes down again. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And Lineker just stands in front of him, bites on his mouthpiece, and fucking mauls him. McDonald landed one, too. Yeah, and Lineker ate it like a Tic Tac, and he's moving forward.

Boom, boom. Straight Tic Tac. And he rocks him again. And he's just undeniably confident in his ability to walk you down and smash you. See, what you can't do is let him back you up and get your back against the cage. You gotta move, man. See, I feel... Oh, he hurt him again. Ten times get your back against the cage. You've got to move, man. See, I feel like Dillashaw hurt him again.

Ten times more. Ten times more. 100%. But the question is, is there going to be exchanges where Dillashaw is inside of his range? And will one of these things land? And once one of those things do land, will Dillashaw continue to engage the same way? Like, boom, boom, boom. Or will it be over if it lands?

But TJ takes a good shot and has never been a guy to stand in front of you like this. No. Oh, look at that. Boom. You see his head get snapped. At 135? What are we talking about? It's very rare that anybody has that kind of destroying power at that weight.

Remember, TJ can wrestle, too. So if they get in close, he'll take his ass down. The difference between him and Dotson at 135, and I like Dotson at 35. I think he's better at 35 than 25. I just think he just kills himself too much to make that weight. Like when you fought Gambarian, his Dotson can sneak in on you and then sneak out on you. And when they fought, did they fight at 35 or 25? When Gambarian?

Dotson and Lineker fought. That was at 25. Is it? 100% that was at 25. Yeah. Is it? You might That was at 25. Yeah. Is it? You might be right. I don't think that's the right weight class for Dotson. I think Dotson's weight. Yeah, both guys. I think both guys are way better off without

destroying themselves. Those are fun fights, man. And then on the FS1 prelims are stacked. You got Neil Magny versus... What's that? It's a catch weight, 136.5. Does he miss weight or no? So it must have been like a catch weight, 136.5. Does he miss weight or no? I'm just looking at Wikipedia. So it must have been like a last-minute decision to have that fight.

So that's interesting that Dodson and him went to war. And Lineker won the decision? Yes. At 35. Interesting. But I thought... You thought Dodson won? Yeah.

For sure. Here's the other thing about TJ. You've got to think, how long has TJ really been with Dwayne Ludwig? And he continues to get better with Dwayne Ludwig. It's only been a few years. So in the last couple of years, what have we seen? We've seen the two big fights with Hennon Burrow where he murked him, which are the all-time career highlight performances, right?

Joe Soto fight. Especially the second one, the Joe Soto fight, which was an interesting fight because taking on a real tough guy on a real short notice. Two-day notice? One day. One day. During the weigh-in, Burrow, trying to make weight, falls asleep and bangs his head on the wall because he cut too much weight. Joe Soto steps in.

And so TJ makes that adjustment, wins that fight, comes back, beats the shit out of Barau in the rematch. Like, really dominated him in the rematch. Those are, like, you know, real highlight, real finishes. All three of those fights. So then he goes from from that the really close loss to dominic cruz and then beats a sun tsao like he took a chance with a sun tsao number two at the time yeah he beat a sun tsao look better in the sun tsao fight than he did in the first time they fought so he's showing improvement just in that fight you just gotta wonder um what this is gonna

look like what lineker versus him is gonna to look like. Very, very interesting fight. Great matchups. Fuck yeah. That one in particular. What do you think about Cody and Dominic? Do you think that Cody is going to be able to, like when you look at Cody move and you see his success against guys like Mitsugaki, against guys like Thomas Almeida,

and then you see what Dominic does to people. He's in front of you. He's not. He's shuffling stances. He's off to the side. He's got his hands down. He's not. He's shuffling stances. He's off to the side. He's got his hands down. He's moving in this really fucking weird way that's real tough to emulate. I love Cody,

but the X factor here is we haven't really seen him face top competition. Mizugaki's older. He got murked before from Dominic. Then he gets murked by Cody. We saw promise in Almeida. We saw him fight a really promising guy. Again, young guy. Not the level of Dominic Cruz or we haven murked by Cody. We saw promise in Almeida. We saw him fight a really promising guy. Again, young guy, not the level of Dominic Cruz,

or we haven't seen with the movement. Right. The thing that I like about Cody, he's so damn game. I was talking to Lance Palmer at Team Alpha Male, and they're like, we've never seen anything like it. Like, fight week, if he sees someone, and he needs to work on this, but he's just young and hungry. He goes, if he sees someone from the other camp,

he tries and fights them in the hallway. He's just like this pit bull, man. He's just young and hungry. If he sees someone from the other camp, he tries and fights him in the hallway. He's just like this pitbull man. He's just so goddamn competitive. We have to have a coach with him at all times. All times. He won't leave the gym. If he sees someone else from the camp, he tries and fights him.

But don't you think that's a waste of energy? 100%. He's young. It could be an exaggeration, though. Could be. They may have had a problem with one dude once for sure now all of a sudden talking reasonable

now talking fucking logic I'm just talking common sense yeah yeah that sounds like fake news what else is let's go over the rest of the card pull up the whole card Jamie

the big thing on this is can Cody land but can he keep up for again it's five rounds. It's five fucking rounds, man. Yeah. What is this about?

What do you think about? I don't know anything about these guys. They're both real good, man. They're both real good. Good ground fighters, too. Louis Smolka and Ray Borg. That should be a very interesting fight. Fun fight.

This card, it sucks because how about Kane and Verdum? Well, Ray Borg's the guy that pulled out on, he was supposed to be fighting Ian, and pulled out on real short notice. Remember that? Yeah, Smoka's fun to watch. Borg got hurt. Yeah, they're both fun to watch. Is Smoka an American-Russian or actually from the Eastern Bloc?

No, he's American. He's American. He's like... Yeah, where's Louis Smoka from? That's a fun fight. I don't know where Louis is from. What sucks is Kane Verdum off. That would be fun. Hawaii. Oh, he's Louis Smolka from? That's a fun fight. I don't know where Louis is from. What sucks is Kane Verdumov. That would be fun.

Hawaii. Oh, he's Hawaiian. That's right. The Last Samurai. That's why it's DA. That's right. His dad's probably Russian, though. How dare you?

Come on, Smolka. Is that a Russian name? Hell yes. Jamie, go back to that. Come on, man. I don't know anything. Smolka? Smolka.

What is that? When you say it like that, that sounds so old, doesn'tka? Smolka. What is that? When you say it like that, that sounds swine, doesn't it? Smolka, bro. What's his ethnicity? It just might be Hawaiian, dude. He might just be straight Hawaiian. It could be his nickname. Like, you know, Brazilians use nicknames.

Go to his Wikipedia. Does he have a Wikipedia? Smolka. He might be a mad stoner. Dude, he's Hawaiian as fuck. Yeah, he looks pretty fucking Hawaiian. Hawaiians are killing it, huh? Holloway? Oh, yeah, man. Well, he's Hawaiian as fuck. Yeah, he looks pretty fucking Hawaiian. Hawaiians are killing it, huh? Holloway?

Oh, yeah, man. Well, that's a crazy island. When you're stuck on an island with dudes and you got a problem with them, you can't just fucking drive away. Like, that's a completely different mindset. You just can't drive away. You gotta fight each other on an island. You're hanging out together on a volcano.

Doesn't say anything about his ethnicity. He's Hawaiian, bro. He's Hawaiian as shit, man. Let's go to the Amanda Nunes, Ronda Rousey fight. If you had to put some money down, what do you think? Man, who the fuck knows? I love saying who the fuck knows. Because we haven't seen Ronda fight in over a year.

We don't know her head, though. And you're looking at her body. She's in insane shape. There's some pictures of her online throwing punches, and you look at her you're like holy shit i haven't seen him she's down she's down to fight wake weight already apparently you know i think losing to someone like holly home the way she did and to be tired and get beat up and the whole deal like look at her back there where she's punching the speed bag jesus look at that shit That's redonkulous. God damn. So if you think about the way she lost that fight and how she looked physically,

she didn't look nothing like this. Like, not even close. Like, she's got all these videos of her running up hills and all this different stuff. She looks, like, way more fit. She got tired in the fight with Holly, and that was a big factor. Also, getting hit was a big factor. There you go, Joe. Getting stunned right away.

But really solid conditioning will allow you to recover better than not being in such good shape, especially when you get hit in the head. That's a big factor with the guys that are super, super fit is how they bounce back. You know, like Neil Magny is a good example. You can stun that guy in the first round, but he's so fit he bounces back. For her, too, that Holly fight, the one thing about Ronda, she always comes to fight. She's always in shape. She takes that personal, takes it kind of upon herself to be in shape.

She does not have the same sort of dedication towards that fight with Holly that she's got towards this fight. Physically, it doesn't look like it. I don't think we know. Physically, you can say that, but we don't know because she's been shooting movies. She won't do press conference, right? You know what I'm saying? So we don't think we know. Physically, you can say that, but we don't know because she's been shooting movies. She won't do press conference. You know what I'm saying? So we don't know. If she could take her down, use her judo, and not try to strike with her, just clench up, do that judo trip, take her down, anybody's in danger of that armbar.

That's what she's going to do. Her armbar is so goddamn good. That's what she's going to do. Amanda Nunes could easily get caught in that armbar. It wouldn't shock her. Here's a question for you, Joe. She's got to drag her down. Here's a question for you guys.

Do you think she has the coaching to make changes where she just doesn't pull forward on Amanda Nunes and get punched in the face? Yeah, of course she's going to be calm. Of course she's going to take her time. Of course. She's not going to go out there reckless. She's going to take her time. That's how she came around to Robbie. She should anyways, and it seems like

common sense. Don't fucking get crazy. Get in there. Just fucking get the blood going. That's not her, Eddie. I don't know, man. That's like asking Mike Tyson, can you sit on the outside and jab and do that? She might try to overwhelm her, but she's not stupid. She's going to learn from mistakes. Just fight a cleaner fight, more movement, more head movement.

I think she could take it down. Also knee surgery. She's had knee surgery since then. She could take Amanda down, I think. 100%? Yeah, she could take her down. Kat Zingano did. Kat Zingano had a real hard first round.

In the first round, Amanda Nunes was beating the shit out of her. Kat Nunes, or Kat Nunes. Kat came back and stopped Nunes. Beat her. That's Nunes' thing. Got her on the back and slowed her down. Nunes isn't known for her cardio. No.

Like, if Ronda, again, it's tough because what makes Ronda great is there's this flurry, there's this exchange. Next thing you know, she fucking hip toss you and you're an armbar, right? That's the thing. She's not really going to sit on outside, be patient. That's not her. But if she can, like if it's a dog fight, I think Ronda ends up catching a fourth or fifth round because Amanda, she starts off like a tidal wave and we've seen her losses. She kind of slows down. She just does. Yeah. Well, it's going to be interesting to see if American Top Team's been able to do something to mitigate that. Who knows what kind of strength and conditioning

program she's under now. The only problem I see on the ground is if Rhonda takes her down and ends up on top, she might have a hard time passing Amanda Nunez guard. And we'll see, like, Rhonda's not, she's not known for her guard passing. So that could be a problem maybe

she takes it down. Straight scrambles Eddie. Yes. That's her thing. But it's like how if she can get her on her back how will she deal with passing the guard? She really doesn't. She goes to it and then she's going to transition from there. You have to deal with it with a black belt in Jiu Jitsu you're going to have

to deal with the guard pass. It's not going to be easy. She doesn't submit anybody. She's a black belt right? She's a black belt in jiu-jitsu, you're going to have to deal with the guard pass. Amanda really doesn't submit anybody. She's a black belt, right? If Rhonda can get on top of her. Well, she's a black belt for sure. She submitted Misha Tate. She's a black belt in jiu-jitsu, correct? And she submitted Sarah McMahon, too.

She battered both of them and submitted both of them. She whooped both their asses. Didn't she? Did she submit Sarah McMahon? She submitted Kat, correct. She definitely submitted Misha. No, no, no. Kat beat her up.

No, not Kat. I'm sorry. She submitted Misha. Yeah, she submitted Misha. No, no, no. Kat beat her up. No, not Kat. I'm sorry. She submitted Misha. Yeah, she submitted Misha. After that whole exchange. I think she did the same thing to Sarah McMahon. I think she cracked her and then put her away with a choke. I'm pretty sure.

The one thing she has over Ronda in this fight is power. She has vicious power. Striking. Yeah, vicious power. And I'd say that's it. I'd say that's it. And if Ronda does come at her full clip like that, it's a very risky proposition. She can crack so fucking hard.

But if Ronda feels like she can get closer to that, here we go. She's not dropping chicks with one punch, right? She's not scary. Oh, yeah. Kat Zingano is. Kat Zingano is. No, no, I'm talking about Amanda Nunes. Amanda Nunes is.

No, she's working, girls. One shot, she's dropping them. Shayna Blazer. Look at that. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, she's working, girls. Yeah,, she's dropping them in. Shayna Blazer. Look at that. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, she's murking girls. Yeah, she needs to just clinch up.

Amanda Nunes can punch as hard as any fucking woman in that division. She might be the hardest woman puncher in the 135 pound division. She's the hardest woman puncher outside of Cyborg. Well, Cyborg's not 135, for sure. I'm just saying females in general, she's the hardest puncher. Cyborg's a different player. Really? Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's different. You want to see her fight? Watch this. The game plan in my mind stays the same. Did you see the fight with Misha? I agree. Did you see her fight with Misha? Amanda Nunes and Misha? Yes, but I forgot all about it. It's vicious. Pull up Amanda Nunes stopping Misha. She beat her up

standing up. Oh, this was the last fight. Yeah, where she won the belt. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that. Okay, what about the Sarah McMahon fight? I saw it, but I don't remember. Oh, this is UFC 200. Go before that, because before that is when she's beating her up won the belt. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. Okay, what about the Sarah McMahon fight? I don't remember. Oh, this is UFC 200. Go before that because before that is when she's beating her up on the feet. Yeah, I was there. She's got a nasty jab, too, man. She steps in.

Good distance, too. Boom, boom. Good scramble. The question is, like, is she going to – there's a big difference between dealing with Ronda and dealing with Misha. Look, this is a mauling, man. Jesus Christ. She beat the brakes off of her.

Amanda's just putting it to Misha Tate. And she just has long-ass punches, too. And then she gets her back, pounds her out. If Ronda's in the right frame of mind, I think she does rush in like she usually does. Probably eats a shot, but then she gets inside, gets her underhook, takes her for a ride, and submits her in the first round. God, I hope nobody tests positive for anything.

There's so many people getting popped lately. How about Cyborg? Yeah. Game over. No matter what it's for, game fucking over, man. Now everyone goes, told ya. Fucking told ya. Spironolactone is what they're saying it is. Spironolactone is a DHT inhibitor,

which is a derivative of testosterone. dihydrotestosterone. I used to rub that shit on my head when I was trying to keep my hair from falling out because of testosterone. Yeah. Yeah. If you have the gene for it, dihydrotestosterone is what both of you beautiful heads of hair don't have that as much. Oh, come on, man. Dude, come on. My hair is falling out like it's on fire.

No. You're almost 50. His hair is beautiful. Thanks, man. Thank you. Thank you for that job. Mine's dead. it's, I'm fine. No. You're almost 50. His hair is beautiful. Thanks, man. Thank you. Thank you for that job. Mine's dead. Mine's a dead wasteland.

Done. But when I was a kid, or when I was in my, I guess I was probably in my 20s, I would rub this Spironolactane on my fucking scalp because it's a DHT inhibitor. It inhibits DHT. So when people take steroids, or a woman takes steroids, or a man who has that gene where the hair falls out. And if a man has that gene and he takes steroids, it's probably even worse. But if you rub that spironolactone on, it has a DHT inhibiting effect. And I think if you take it orally, it also acts as a diuretic.

And there's also some uses as a masking agent. There's a whole bunch of different uses of this. As a diuretic, it also has benefits as a masking agent, and it also mitigates the effects of taking steroids in females. So there's a lot of stuff going on with that stuff. But the one on her

side that she says it is, is that it's used as a diuretic, which appears to be true. You know what would be great? If she goes to Rizin and fights Gabby Garcia. Think about that. But what she said, is, is that it's used as a diuretic, which appears to be true. You know what would be great? If she goes to Ryzen and fights Gabby Garcia. Think about that. But what she said, though, is that she had some issues. I think they're friends. I think they're friends. Yeah. Scratch that. She had some issues with birth control pills,

and then she was bloated because of birth control pills, so a doctor prescribed this to her off-season, which is to try to deal with... Look, I don't know. I had never cut that kind of weight before. But if you watch that Outside the Lines piece on her with the weight cutting, have you ever seen it? I've seen it.

It's horrific. And there was a commissioner who was like, I would never approve her to fight. It's horrific. How she's fighting at 135 should be illegal. Well, 140. She never got to 135. 140, even 140. You've got to watch it, Eddie.

It's insane. It's terrifying. It's insane. There's no way she should be able to do that. She's's right on the fight and that's why she's saying she turned down those two title fights because i was giving her shit i'm like who turns down title fights even though they made the division four she's saying i destroyed my body i'm having depression i'm having horrible issues my body's just not ready to fight like i need to march well when you talk to people when you talk to people that have cut like ridiculous amounts of weight like that, and then all of a sudden the body just goes, it just,

something goes wrong and your body doesn't want to lose any weight anymore. Your kidneys start aching, you get kidney stones. It can be some serious side effects. Your thyroid too goes shit, man. It's so dangerous. You're, you're literally getting to the door of death 24 hours before you enter into a cage fight. It's the craziest thing that we allow people to do in MMA. And it's essentially, in a lot of ways, it's sanctioned cheating. True. Sanctioned cheating.

You've got to have weight classes. You've got to have a way to enforce them. What's your idea? I think there's got to be a way to get guys to fight people that are their size without having the same rigid weight structure where you have like 155 and 170 and 185. You don't have any solutions? No, I don't. I think there's got to be a way to check hydration levels in camp, and there's got to be a way. You're going to have to blow the whole thing up, though.

Like, champions won't be the champions of the same weight class anymore. But if you got Chris Weidman to fight at his natural weight and another guy to fight at his, you would have people- But how do you determine that though? You would have to find out what a guy weighs when he's in shape and fit. And you would have to do this whole transition over a period of time. So when that weigh-in comes in, that's when they're going to cut? No, you don't allow them to. No, there's no cutting. You don't allow them to. And there'd also be like 20 belts, right? Maybe just like, I'm in good shape.

No, you do the same thing that you do with USADA. You randomly test their hydration levels. You randomly test their weight. So if they're healthy and they're in camp, there's no way they're going to keep that weight off the entire camp. It's impossible. What if they're close? You know what I mean? It's like, hey, I should be in that weight.

As long as it's close, it's like when Cowboy cuts five pounds. That's normal. Like when you see Cowboy, you don't go, there's no way this dude is 170. You look at him, you go, yeah, he looks like he's 170. That's his real weight. When you look at Damian Maia, you go, there's no way this dude is 170. You look at him, you go, yeah, he looks like he's 170. That's his real weight. When you look at Damian Maia, you go, there's no fucking way he's 170. He's 200 pounds. When you look at Rick Story, he's giant.

There's some guys that cut the weight and then put it back on in a big way. Johnny Hendricks in his prime. Johnny Hendricks in his prime would be jackmified when he was murking John Fitch and Marvin Campman and those guys. So random weigh-ins those guys. So random weigh-ins, random, so for sure they're not going to be cutting. They wouldn't know. So they couldn't.

And then whatever you weigh in at, they let you cut five pounds if you need to or something like that. Something along those lines. You give a person a five pound buffer. It gets super messy, but yeah, you could do it. It does get messy. But you also, I think, you're causing part of the problem with weigh-ins by having these very specific weight classes, like 155, 170. So then the problem would be determining who is the champion and what do you call that champion.

You have a built-in area because you'd say welterweight or middleweight or light heavyweight. What you're not saying is the 155-pound champ. The names are kind of silly. Like, why is welterweight 170 in MMA but 147 in boxing? That's ridiculous. Or light heavyweight. Boxing's been around forever. Why do we have different names or different weight classes for the same name?

But it doesn't matter. Still, everybody knows what a light heavyweight is. They're going based off that. Yeah, it's still crazy. My point is, instead, have lightweight, middleweight, have all these different names, but have people actually weigh that. Like, for a guy who's 170, have an actual 170-pound man.

Not some crazy dude who gets to 215 like Rumble Johnson used to do. It's just too muddy. How about this? That would work, but how hard would it be in the random testing and all that shit, and then the five pounds, what if the guy is six pounds? What you could do is the 48 hours before the weigh-in, you're under control. You have to have like you're in a hotel. They do that now?

Oh, really? You can't do any extreme weight cutting, no weird baths, no nothing like that. When you check in on Tuesday, again, Bert's gone to the commission. I don't know what the fuck they're doing now. But they used to do—as soon as you land, you don't check in anything. You go to the room, and they weigh you. And if you're like 40 pounds, 30 pounds over, they're on you, man. Yeah, it makes sense.

Yeah, that's it. Makes sense. That's it. Yeah, they'd have to weigh you all the time. They fixed it already. They have to weigh you all the time. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, they'd have to weigh you all the time. And you're weighing in every day. Oh, that's all they have to do. If you're red flagged,

they'll tell Dana, hey, bad example, good example, the guy's missed weight. But they don't. They don't, because the guy's still missed. Because, like, hey, Kelvin's 30 pounds overweight, and they're like, alright, well, he's made it before. Yeah, you can't have that. What you've got to have is someone who doesn't allow anybody to fight 30 pounds over what they actually weigh in at.

It's not legal. Like, Weidman cut, I want to say, 37 pounds in three days. For Lyota? Yeah. When he fought Lyota Machida? So there's got to be an official weigh-in a few times Yeah, like they all got throughout camp You got a view they do that in Abu Dhabi because it's a two-day tournament

And you got away if you make it to the to Sunday If you win a couple matches and you get it to the semi-finals and finals you got away and again Who did why didn't fight when he cut all that weight was it Damian Maya? No, it wasn't it was in Abu Dhabi. And he was cutting weight on the plane, remember? Oh, it was in Abu Dhabi. So who did he fight? Did he fight Liotto?

No, it wasn't Liotto. I thought it was on Fox. No, it wasn't Liotto. It was in Abu Dhabi, I remember. I thought he fought. It was Damian Maia. It was Damian Maia. It was Damian Maia. Yeah.

That was on Fox, wasn't it? I forget. No, because Anderson. Munoz fought on that card. So was that Abu Dhabi when BJ Penn fought Frankie Edgar? It must have been, because the other Abu Dhabi card was when Anderson fought Damian Maia. Right? Those are the two that I went to.

I don't think it's a Fox card. No? I think you're right. What do you think about the new rules that Big John McCarthy, did you see that video? No, I didn't watch it. You didn't watch it? No, I didn't watch right. What do you think about the new rules that Big John McCarthy, did you see that video? No, I didn't watch it. You didn't watch it? No, I didn't watch it. What?

You're an MMA encyclopedia. How could you not watch the new unified rules that Big John McCarthy posted? You watched it, right? Yeah, it was Damian Maia. So he basically won a stand-up fight against Damian Maia, and it was on Fox. It was the second card on Fox, and he cut a lot of weight in a short amount of time. 32 pounds in 10 days. Insane.

Insane. Chris Wyden's a monster. You get to death's door, and then he's so fucking tough. You can't do that. I still want to. You know when fighters are against the cage, and they put their hand on the mat so they don't get kneed in the face? Can't do that no more. That's awesome.

You've got to have all four. You have to have both hands on the mat, too. Yeah, yeah. No, they haven't had thateed in the face, can't do that no more. That's awesome. You've got to have all four. You have to have both hands. Oh, they've had that. Yeah, yeah. No, they haven't had that. It just started in 2017. It starts with joints, but they announced it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great rule. Hell yeah. It's a little, I mean. Did they talk about eye pokes or anything like that? I don't think so. They did talk about clavicle grabs.

Yes. Grabbing the collar. That used to be illegal. I used to really think that you could do that. Yeah. I remember hearing a guy say that he could do that. Oh, just hit somebody in the collarbone. Please do.

Try that. Please do. Please try to donkey punch. Like kick him in the knee? Like, oh, I'll just kick him in the knee. The collarbone, though, is the dumbest. Like, do you really think it's that easy? Yeah.

You know, fucking what? Just going to hit someone in their collarbone? That thing collapses stupid. But kick him in the knee is even more popular, right? Yeah. Like, dudes, they think stupid. But kick them in the knee is more popular, right? Yeah. Like, dudes, they think they could just kick you in the knee, and then they're going to, like, immobilize you. To your weight point, a guy who could really benefit from that is Chris Weidman.

Him at light heavyweight. He should be a light heavyweight, I feel like. Yeah, for sure. Well, Jon Jones should be a heavyweight then. You know, Jon Jones fought Dan Henderson in that grappling match. He was 238 pounds. I mean, he murked Dan Henderson. Jesus, Louises.

What a beautiful takedown. Did you see his takedown? Yep. Oh, my God. I love it. Good God. He shot in, and Gary Tonin hit that very same takedown, but unsuccessfully on his opponent. Kim Terra.

Yeah, in a grappling match right after that. Jon's a gorilla. I think Wideman is going to go to light heavyweight. Jon is so big for light heavyweight, man. He's so fucking physically talented, too. What is it? It's a fake single, and then you kind of like duck under and get the clench? Yep.

Is that what that was? And the way John did it was just, it was so glorious. When you watch how quickly he covered ground, you realize how fucking talented he is, man. Oh, you know what? I don't even think it's up on the internet, either. I think it's- It is. You can watch it.

You can watch it. Yeah, I watched it. You could watch the takedown, and you can watch the finish. I don't think you's up on the internet either. It is. You can watch it. You can watch the take down and you can watch the finish. I don't think you can watch the whole fight. And now I think, are they going to do John versus Chael now? Because John got on the mic and was like, yeah, I want to fight you, Chael. I think they are going to probably do something like that. Chael will go in there and get smushed for a paycheck.

Just for the ratings. John is just too big and too good. He's so talented, man. He's winning jiu-jitsu tournaments like as a goof. He's stepping into them and grappling with people and strangling them as a goof. I would love to see him go with like a Gary Tonin or with like a real jujitsu guy. Or Felipe Pena. Yeah.

Or Boucher. Like a Boucher or something like that. But let me tell you something, man. What John said when he was on my podcast, he goes, I fell in love with jujitsu. He goes, I'm obsessed with it. He goes, I'm training it all the time. He goes, now I'm not going to be standing in front of people trading anymore. He goes, I fell in love with jujitsu. He goes, I'm obsessed with it. He goes, I'm training it all the time. He goes, now I'm not going to be standing in front of people trading anymore. He goes, fuck that.

He's like, I'm going to be taking people down and choking the shit out of them. He said that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was hilarious. It was like, he's so talented as a grappler. You can do whatever you want. Like on some other planet. Yeah.

It was a nice pass, too. He took him down, and then it was a nice pass. That arm triangle was textbook. Jon Jones might be pulling guard on people and armbar in the future. He pulled guard in the UFC. On Daniel Cormier after he was beating him most of the fight. Yeah, he was up. But he might be pulling guard on people and armbar on them in the future.

He's also a guy who could do, even to a bigger level, be the light heavyweight champ and heavyweight champ. And he could do that. He could do it. He could get so much more notoriety than Conor. Could he take the Abu Dhabi absolute as well? Maybe. He might.

Look, man, you occasionally get a guy that's just so incredibly talented. You go, well, it's really all about focus. It's about focus. Like, if you watch him, you've seen it, the Dan Henderson match. Dan Henderson's totally undersized. They're not nearly in the same weight class. Dan Henderson's really not going all out either, is he? But it's effortless. Yes. I mean, you watch how he does it.

What do you mean? You think Dan Henderson was going light? I just think Dan was like, what? It was a match. It was competition. Yeah, but it's Dan Henderson. Let's watch this here. Here it goes. Because this is suspended UFC fighter John Jones, what does it say, fought Dan Henderson at Underground event.

And John started off on his knees and just crawled forward. And you see Dan putting his hand on his head. At underground event. Look at how he closes in on him, man. He's like, John is like, he's like unstoppable the way he's closing in on him. He's got that Gracie Baja flag on his shorts. Dude, he's so strong, too. What I'm saying is the way he's moving in on them, it's almost unavoidable.

It's like, this is going to be a mauling. This is not going to be like what he did with Chael Sonnen when he grabbed Chael and took him down and just slammed him on the ground. Oh, you can't be undersized and compete with John. Look at the guys that have given him issues. Like Gustafsson, he's his same size. Those are the only time he really has issues. Vitor gave him some issues. Well, Vitor caught him in that armbar and then got dealt with.

He submitted Vitor. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. But when Vitor caught him in that armbar, that was really the first time we'd seen him ever in trouble inside the octagon. He's human. They said, get out of here. This is mostly John just pushing him up against the cage. Then he let him go.

Oh, he threw a jab at him. What the fuck is that about? He's joking around. Oh, they were laughing. Well, he didn't really throw a jab. He pretended he was going to do a spinning elbow. Oh, he's just clowning around on him. What the fuck is that about? He's joking around. Well, he didn't really throw a jab. He pretended he was going to do a spinning elbow. Oh, he's just clowning around on him. I think Rockhold wants to do it, too. John Jones with Rockhold.

That's right. Rockhold did say that. Let's see the take. Well, how long did the match go? I don't remember. The takedown was the ridiculous thing. Let's see if you can find that in there. See, now this is worth it, Eddie, just to make money. Because no head trauma.

If you lose, it's whatever. Oh, yeah, for sure. This is a totally different thing. I really wish that this pay... There it is. Woo! Boom. Gets him down and right into side control.

I really wish that this was a viable option in terms of financial success. I really wish that there was a way option in terms of financial success. I really wish that there was a way. Maybe one day. I think your event has the best chance of doing it. I really do. I think if your event, when people watch it

and get behind it, it has a real possibility because it's fucking exciting as shit and people will pay money to see it. Especially when the caliber of these guys are doing it. I'm flying to Vegas tomorrow meeting with UFC Fight Pass.

They got great numbers. EBI 10. They said the numbers were staggering, and they want to get behind it and go crazy. It's the best thing ever. That's what I'm talking about, Eddie. Look at this. This is totally possible. You could be the Don King of chokes.

Look at this. Look at this. Don King of chokes. Look at this. And, Eddie, you were saying that you oftentimes will stay in the mount. Three quarter mount, butter mount. That's the best part. Do you ever stay in full mount? Full mount too. Only

because the rise of leg lockers, deadly leg lockers that hit a leg lock transition when they're mounted. So if you let them get their hips up, I always stay in three quarter. The only time I'm doing a full mount is if I'm in skydive. If I got my hips down and my ankles crossed and then I'm hunting for an underhook, but

I'll never just sit there in regular mount because everybody now has got that mount escape to leg locks that you got to, it could just turn everything around. It could be over. So you push on the hips and get the legs up. Also those ridiculously flexible guys that get those legs in play, like Eddie's dexterity, your dexterity. That's always been my main escape, too, is using my flexibility. When someone mounts me, and that takes me into leg locks.

That used to be the only heel hook I had in my game was off being mounted, and then I would use a Hail Mary escape, C-cups in the armpits, cross my feet in front of their stomach, overhook a leg, and then take them right to just good old-fashioned outside heel hook. That was my number one escape. And that's just too dangerous. Now guys have taken that escape and added 1,000 more leg lock transitions off it. And at that, I actually had a guy come to my gym maybe four or five years ago, a purple belt from Henzo's.

And he was super flexible. I walk onto the mat and he's sitting there walking to class. He's got both legs behind his head. I don't know who this guy is. He's sitting on my mats. He's sitting on my mats. I'm like, how you doing? He's just like looking at me.

He just wanted, he wanted to show me how flexible he was. He's way more flexible than I am. Way more. I can't cross my feet behind my head. And we rolled and I mounted him quite easily, but I didn't know it was a trick he let me mount him and then his flexibility and i was low i was super low but he would grab his feet and just put it in the little crack and inch by inch he would stick his

foot and be i'm laying flat on him and then he would get through boom right into a leg lock and he tapped me i'm like holy shit so we went again and i mounted him again i said i i shouldn't have mounted him you know there's some I shouldn't have mounted him. You know, there's some guys like, you just don't fucking mount these guys. You take them to the truck. So I mounted him, and I was super tight, super just clenching tight. And he just grabbed his foot and just put it right there, just would hold it right in between our rib cages. And he couldn't get in initially, but inch by inch, he would just get.

He would just hold his foot. It was like he was jailbreaking to that mount escape. Wow. So is that just crazy flexibility? He got me again, tapped me again, and I thought from that point on, I go, hmm, I can't ever, I always got to make sure that I roll with people and assume everyone can do that. Doesn't Sean Ballinger have that kind of ridiculous flexibility and dexterity? You've got to assume everyone's that good.

So at that point, it altered my mount a lot. Like with arm triangles, I just stay in the mount. So you have to assume that everybody's at the death level. Why not, right? Because if it works on them, then it works on everybody. Fucked me up with it. What was crazy, when Eddie and I were doing that Anna Invitational thing, they were telling us that there's like 14-year-olds,

17-year-olds who are homeschooled just to be dedicated to jiu-jitsu. Remember those nine-year-olds? Remember those nine-year-olds? I was like, what the fuck is going on here? Two nine-year-olds doing ankle locks, fucking all your shit. You know what we were talking about earlier?

Before the podcast started, we were talking about earlier before the podcast started we were talking about physical freaks like that big gorilla Shane Carlin and how when I watched Shane Carlin roll with people

it's like what is the point of this this is preposterous Shane Carlin Shane Carlin walked into Amal Easton's jujitsu gym and I didn't know

who he was for a second obviously I knew who he was I'd commentated his fights but for a second I looked up from the mat and I saw him walk in I I'm like, that's not a person.

That's a gorilla. That's some shaved-up gorilla. That's Juggler from the X-Men. Yeah. It doesn't even look like a real human. And he would roll with people, and it would be preposterous. It was a waste of your time. I remember I trained, because Shane would have had another job, and he'd have an injury, so he'd be gone for like four months. And I trained jiu-jitsu twice a day. I'm like, I i can't wait because he's like a big brother i can't wait till he gets in i'm gonna roll this fool up he would come in off his nine

to five set his lunchbox down put on his fucking weird basketball shorts baggy t-shirt like you've been rolling i'm like yeah man let's go and you just fucking destroy me i'm like dude why don't you do more jiu-jitsu? He's like, why? I'm just fucking gorilla strong, man. He is gorilla strong, but wouldn't you love to see a guy like him fall in love with it and then win the Mundiales? Like, how crazy would that be? How crazy would it be to watch Shane Carwin win Abu Dhabi?

With his wrestling background, if he dedicated to it. If he dedicated himself to submissions, like just pure submissions. Like what a freak athlete. His Munson choke, you know, because he's bigger than Munson. He would pop your head off if he got it. You know what the problem is though, man? He's got just that preposterous punching power. And he's like, why would I not have my best thing?

Yeah. Like his punching power was just ridiculous. He's too much work. Why don't I just jab that guy in the face and win him a gag point? And it's funner. I mean, it's gotta be, it's gotta feel way better to knock someone out, to drop someone, than to tap him out. Go to Shane

Carwin KO's Frank Mir. Because that was one of the darkest ones. Do you ever hear Frank Mir's corner? They're going, they're going, uh, chill Frank, round's almost over, just chill. And it pissed Shane off. He looks at the corner and, here it is! Here it is!

And just fucking ends Frank Mayer right there. That's what he did. His corner's going, you're good, Frank. Just let him get the underhook. Don't give him head control. You're just chilled. It's almost the end of the round. And Shane's like, what are you talking about?

I can knock a dude out. I need this much space. Here it is! Game over. They were ridiculous uppercuts. Just horrific. Vicious. Yeah, douche. Game over. They were ridiculous uppercuts. Just horrific. Vicious. Yeah, he's an interesting example of-

Frank Mir wants to do EBI. I know he does. Yeah. It's a great idea. Yeah. Look, he's awesome. Awesome submission guy. Fabricio Verdum as well wants to do combat jiu-jitsu.

The combat jiu-jitsu version of EBI. He's going to be slapping the shit. Which is going to be the next show. EBI 11 is going to have a regular 16-man, regular EBI rules, welterweights, and within it, a four-man combat jiu-jitsu match. When is that? In March. We nail down the date tomorrow at the meeting. I'll go to that for sure.

Let me know when it comes up. There's going to be jiu-jitsu with palm strikes. Jiu-jitsu with palm strikes is coming. I would go to it and watch it with you. No, no, no. I don't know. I try to slap people. But not the slap part.

But have you ever thought about competing in the jiu-jitsu part? Is he too busy with podcasting? I'm too busy with podcasting and stuff. Comedy, you know, family. Working on stand-ups hard enough. You know, like it's so challenging, man. I appreciate that. But, you know, when you did have that grappling match at Metamorris with Cyborg and everybody got mad at you, and you understand why everybody got mad at you.

100%. You'd be even more mad if you know how much money I made. You did engage him. You did engage him. And you engaged him on the ground. You gave Cyborg chances. And he couldn't do shit with you. Yeah.

And I watched that. I was like, wow. Like, I understand you being cautious because you have to fight in the UFC and you didn't want to get your legs torn up because Cyborg is that tornado guard. And he's a ridiculously strong dude. Ridiculous. He's a bad motherfucker. I mean, Cyborg is a killer. But you did nullify his attacks.

I mean, I understand that you went pretty straight defense, but it did work. It's interesting because he was engaging with you. You were locked up with him in the guard and he wasn't able to do anything with you. I was like, hmm, I wonder how you would do if you like really dedicated yourself like and competed in some sort of an event like you want the truth I just don't care that's all you need I'm too busy with other things like that that part of my life like I love watching Eddie's thing and I love commentating on it but to dedicate you really got to dedicate to keep it you know how it is you really

got to dedicate and be all in like all cyborg's doing is shooting jujitsu seminars and videos and rolling every day when you just don't care when you put mitry on to sleep i remember thinking like this dude's got a fucking serious darts yeah like you have a serious darts when you clamp that thing out on mitry on i was like oh oh like oh this is and then he was out and And I was like, that's a serious fucking DARS choke. Yeah, that was my shit, man. I love jujitsu, but it's just I'm not in that lane anymore. It's not like there's not big money

in submission only right now. There should be. It's fun. Maybe, you know, for the winner, the winner has pretty good money. I mean, Gary Turner has made thousands and thousands of dollars and Eddie Cummings. Yeah, they made more than $100,000 this year. Oh, yeah. They're making money if you win.

But overall, right now, there's no money for it. But still, still, the guys that are in it, the guys at the top, they're training full motherfucking time. All the time. I feel like your event has a change. All day. Your event has the possibility to change that. I really do.

You've got the event. I really do. Hopefully. You know, EBI 10 was pretty fucking damn crazy. It was so crazy to watch, man. And you got little girls competing, which is amazing. To watch girls that are like, how old are the youngest girls you have there? You know, the UFC didn't want to have any of that anymore.

Oh, really? Yeah, no more minors. No more underage fighters. Oh, really? No more minors. No more underage fighters. Oh, man. Was that because of the girl that got heel hooked and her leg popped? Probably. The soul snatcher? Probably.

She got her heel hooked. You heard the snap. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. She had her ACL blown out. Yeah, I love watching children do jujitsu. That's the cutest shit.

It's what's mind-blowing. I love it. It shows you where the sport's at. Grace Gundrum, come on. I know. Grace Gundrum, she is really amazing. What's her name, Cora? Cora Sack.

Have you seen this Cora girl? She had the big old check. Isn't it possible to maybe have a youth version of the same thing and just call it something else and don't do it on Fight Pass? That is possible. It seems like there might be an option to do other stuff as well. Unless you have some sort of exclusive thing. No, because you want to grow it. I agree. Like that Pop

Warner League. You want to give kids the chance to compete. Yeah, people loved watching Grace. People loved it. She got bigger roars than anybody. Tremendous roars. People fucking love watching Grace. But, you know, there's other shows.

She's going to do Show the Art Finishers, which is a sub-only show, EBI Rules on the East Coast. She's going to do that. She's got a big fight. It's like a super fight coming up. Cora just fought in the Honored Invitational. So there's these other submission- submission only tournaments out there using ebi rules where you know they have a platform and you know the ufc didn't i didn't even want to fight them on it you know they like okay no minors no minors no big deal you know uh uh eventually we'll

we'll see the return of grace eventually eventually can you imagine you know three or four years later when she's 18 and we bring her back it It's nuts. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be like the Guns N' Roses reunion. Yeah. Yeah, really. Of jiu-jitsu. Interesting. It's just interesting to see it because I think it's the safer alternative for the athletes,

especially athletes that really just want to develop their jiu-jitsu skills and get immersed in jiu-jitsu. They don't want to have to, in order to be a professional, have to compete as an MMA fighter. When the competition is so high in jujitsu right now. Oh, yeah. And so far, every jujitsu event has failed. They've all failed. All of them. And EBI, you know, we're not out of the woods.

There's no big, giant pile of money. No one's making money except for the winners. You know, we're just, it's a passion project, 100%. And who knows, maybe we don't survive. But apparently we got really good reviews at the UFC Fight Pass for EBI 10, which you could still watch right now. You could watch the replay. It was amazing.

Watching Gio Martinez and Eddie Cummings go out at that. That was one of the most epic jiu-jitsu matches of all time. If you guys don't survive, everyone's fucked. Yeah, everyone's fucked. Hey, we're going to try. We're doing our best. You got this. I know you're being we're doing our best. You got this. I know you're being humble and everything like that.

Yeah, you got this. Hey, you just never know. No events have made it so far. No events have made any money. Because the rules sucked ass. Go back to the UFC card. I've been in them. They're horrible.

Let's see. Is there any fights that we missed on this UFC card? I don't know. I don't know. There's all these different rule sets. It's going to be great, Eddie. Don't worry about it. No, no, no.

You got the perfect rule set. Let's go back to this just to see if there's anything else that we missed on this car. Hendrick's Magnie is a fun one. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's what I wanted to talk about. Dude, you know, you got to wonder where Johnny Hendrick's head is at when you heard the way he trained for his last fight. You know, he was saying that he was only training like a few days a week and he wasn't really.

That steakhouse. Yeah. He wasn't really training every day and that his wife really got him geared up to train for this fight. But the problem with that is Neil Magny's on a fucking roll, man. He's had some tough fights, some good fights, and he beat Hector motherfucking Lombard by stoppage. That's right. He beat Lombard, and he beat Kelvin. And he beat Lombard when Lombard was putting it to him in the first round.

That's right. It was one of those really close fights where it was like, man, this might get stopped. Then Damian Maia ate his ass for lunch like Kobayashi. Dude, the way Damian Maia put that smush down on him, I was like, whoa. Just a bad matchup. He was on stud. Next level jujitsu. What do you think about Damian Maia, Woodley?

Very interesting. First of all, you've got to get a hold of Woodley. First of all, you've got to get a hold of Woodley. Second of all, you've got to get him to the ground. Good luck with both of those things. Good luck with both of those things. Without getting fucking hammered into another dimension. It's a fun, fun fight. And Woodley showed in that Wonderboy fight that he can hammer you into a dimension in the fourth round.

Correct. He could still, deep into the fucking championship rounds, can still hammer you out of this fucking zone. That's a scary fight for Maya. For everybody. I'll tell you what. At the same time, the threat of that jiu-jitsu might make Woodley a little cautious. 100%. You know what I mean?

That's true. He's probably not going to throw any leg kicks or anything. He's just trying to knock his ass out. But don't you think that Woodley's wrestling and his physical size and strength, he's unbelievably strong. Damian Maya at 170 has taken down wrestler after wrestler. You already have. Did you see when Damian Maia took down Chael Sonnen?

People forget that. And he's the man with the inverted triangle from Mount. That shit was insane. Lateral dropped him. Double overhook lateral dropped him. Kaboom! Yeah. Yeah, that was glorious.

That's vintage Damian Maia. Yeah, he got a hold of him. And that was his Frank Mir versus Carwin. This is horrific. I couldn't find a good video of it. No? Oh, okay. Oh, UFC don't play that game.

Yeah, it's probably only on Fight Pass. If you go to UFC Fight Pass. Do we have an account? Or is it just my account? It's your account. Okay. Is it on? It's on the app.

We don't have to see it. But anyway, it was a murking. Murking. We were talking about the difference between a guy who's like a super tactical, really high-level guy, and then there's a point of diminishing returns when it doesn't work on somebody. And that's the point of Shane Carwin. Like, he's just like, almost like there's a physical limit of almost all technique that you hit a wall when someone gets just so stupid strong that they can't, as long as he's skilled.

And he is skilled on top of that. He's aware of what's going on. He's like a Rashad Evans black belt. Like, Rashad's not going to submit you off his back, but his knowledge and his defense is insane. It's just different. You know, like, he doesn't have the attacks. What's going on with Rashad?

Like, what happened after that Tim Kennedy fight? They pulled him out of the Tim Kennedy fight. They pulled him out, and then he was supposed to fight again, right? They pulled him out again. I don't know. They tried to fight Kennedy again, but this time in Toronto, and Toronto pulled him out, too. I know. So New York City pulled him out, and? They pulled him out again. I don't know. They tried to fight Kennedy again, but this time in Toronto, and Toronto pulled him out too.

I know. So New York City pulled him out, then Toronto pulled him out, and he says it's a pre-existing condition. He said it's something he's always had, but who knows, man? I don't want to hear that. What do you think about that Kevin Gastelum fight? Good Lord! Jesus, right?

Against Vitor? Vitor? No, no, no. Against Tim Kennedy, first of all. Oh, yeah. That's another example of a guy who wasn't cutting any weight

and looked fucking amazing. But then he wants to go back. Talk to your boy. Why does he want to go back down to 70? Because those guys have to cut weight. Those guys are cutting weight

and getting down to 185 and they're gigantic. Guys like Hector Lombard. He doesn't want to have to fight one of those guys. Okay, but you got to make weight at 70, son. I understand what you're saying

and I think there's a middle ground there. I think 70 is too hard. He's made 170 many times. He's missed it too. But this last time, he says he was on this new dietician's regimen, and it didn't

work out. That's all it was. Did he have Dolce originally? Yes, I think so. Did he just not want to pay the money? I don't know exactly what went down between them. He's just got to be personally more disciplined. If he's just personally more disciplined with his diet. It's on him. It doesn't matter if he's a dietician. You know.

Especially him cutting weight. He's been doing it for so long. You know. Let me ask you this. He's a fucking animal. He's an animal. Make no exception. I wouldn't mind seeing him at 185. I think he's fine there. He's fighting Vitor Belfort next. He's going to fight Vitor Belfort at 85.

Yo, dude, that's a rumble. It's in Brazil. What does that mean exactly? You're his coach, you don't know. What does that mean? Vitor in Brazil is a different animal. Is it for sure? Why isn't there no USADA there? What are you trying to say?

What are you trying to say, Brendan Shaw? I'm not saying anything. I'm saying there's something in the acai down there. This is a last chance for romance for Vitor, too. It's the perfect fight for Kelvin. The perfect fight. Huge name. Musasi put the mitts to him. Musasi put the mitts to Vitor. And I think Kelvin is a better

mover than Musasi. Musasi has more weapons. Musasi's a way better kicker. But what Kelvin does, man, with his footwork and that, like, real light on his feet, moving in with that right-hand jab. Rafael Cordero has got, I mean, his striking looks super professional. So good. And ridiculous combinations and speed and fluidity. That's what Kelvin has.

And he keeps going forward. Exactly. He keeps going forward. He keeps going forward. He's so game. He's what Kellman has. And he keeps going forward. Exactly. He keeps going forward. He keeps going forward. He's so game. He's just so game. His gas tank's retarded. It's just so good.

He's so strong. Zero fear. Zero fear. Great chin. His demeanor's insane, yes. And, you know, was real comfortable when Tim was mauling him. Like, Tim got a hold of him early in that first round and really put out a lot of effort.

Put a seatbelt, got his back, really was mauling him with size and power. But Tim gassed himself out doing that. Tim looked terrible in that fight. I love Tim more than anyone in this world. What about me? You love him more than me? It's a toss-up.

He fights for my freedom. He fights for my freedom. Interesting. But Tim looked rough in that fight. It was a terrible performance for him. But we saw he's on. Nobody fucking handled himself better after a loss than that guy. What did he terrible performance for him, but nobody fucking handled himself better after a loss than that guy.

What did he say? Fucking owns up to it. The guy kicked my ass. He was a better fighter than me. He was very embarrassing. You post a picture of him going to the hospital. Well, that sucked. His face totally jacked. Tim Kennedy. Took a picture of himself jacked in the hospital. That's a great

outlook on losses. Losses are when you're in someone's corner and you're dealing with someone. Man, it's hard to – all you can say is – There's not much. All you can say is you can't win them all, bro. You got caught. Anybody can get caught. So there's a difference between what we're saying, like a guy like Tim Kennedy took that loss,

and how hard Ronda took her loss to Holly Holm. There's a giant difference. Complete opposite. And that's the business of being a fighter. This game's easy when you're murking everyone. Every media outlet's telling you how good you are. Like, yeah, this is fucking great. Then you take one on the chin, you lose. Most fighters

come back and go, alright, I got murked but watch this fight. You'll see what's up. I'm a real fighter. That's why Tim or Calvin's had his losses. Everyone. Matt Brown. And even Connor. You know, he came back.

He was already talking shit after that fight. He was like, you know, fuck it. I fucked up, but I'll be back. Took it like a man. Came right. And didn't talk about a staph infection, by the way. A lot of people only found out about a staph infection because of my fucking big mouth. But he had a staph infection two weeks out of that first Nate Diaz fight.

He was taking antibiotics. That's the word. Might be, I don't think it's bullshit. I haven't heard it directly from his mouth, but I heard it from very reliable sources. Do you hear what his camp is doing? What are they doing? His coach is requiring every fighter on his team to have their brain scanned. Fuck yeah, John Cavanaugh.

Fuck yeah. Right? Powerful move. Smart guy, man. He's on the ball. We need everyone else to follow that. Fuck yeah. This is a crazy sport, you know,

and no one wants to tell people when they can and can't do it, but someone should be watching out for them because that fucking same ego that makes you want to be a champion can also get you real confused as to when you're physically compromised, which brings us to the fight that was pulled off this card, Cain Velasquez versus Fabrizio Verdum. The rematch, which everybody was looking forward to. And Cain did that meeting with that, whatever that. MMA association.

Yes, the fighters association. And said that he's going to have to have a surgery after this fight. And they went, what? Why would you do that? He fucked up. You can't say you need a surgery before you have a major fight. First of all, that's going to fuck with the betting lines. There's a disaster there.

That's going to fuck with the insurance if something happens to you. And then afterwards they say, oh, you told us that you were already hurt. We're not paying for this. Do you get paid for when you're in training camp and you get to a fight and you have to pull out because of injury? You don't get nothing, right? What do you get? Nothing.

Nothing. So he got nothing. So if he chose to fight with that injury, he said he was going to be 100%, he was going to have a cortisone injection, and the doctors disagreed. The Nevada State Athletic Commission disagreed. That Bob Bennett guy, he doesn't fucking play any games, man. He's like, you can't say something like that kane's been in the business too long to do that he fucked up he fucked up i think he's just emotional when i called lineker a little monkey

earlier i fucked up yeah kane fucked up you just talk you say things you know yeah i was gonna say well that's kind of racist but i call myself a monkey though i just it sounds it sounds worse than it really is it's not racist it's not racist. It's not racist. I'm the last person racist. But the point is, when it comes to Kane, is that it was a giant error. And that error pulled him off of this card. And now he's going to have to fight. He's going to have to get surgery.

And then he's going to have to fight whoever the fuck has left. And you're talking about more months out and then even more examination next time. And it's going to cost him a shitload of money. A ton of money. He went through the entire camp. He was a week out, and they pull him from it. And then he was saying, I don't know what this is about. I'm 100% good to go. I've been told I've been cleared.

So he was tweeting that he had been told that he was cleared right before they pull him. I think you give the guy a physical examination in terms of his movement. What can you do? How do you tell a guy? Business-wise, you can't. Something in his back. In his back or neck. Something sciatica.

But business-wise, you can't because the UFC goes, man, you have a bulging disc. All right, you get a cortisone shot. And then if you get punched in the face by Verdum or he gets a guillotine and you're paralyzed, you sue the fuck out of us because we let you through.

Business, you just can't do that. No denying. I don't think it falls on... Kane knows better. The people around this association shouldn't have let him do that. Well, first of all, they should have known about, first, the Bjorn Rebney thing is very weird. Like, I was reading what John Fitch had written. John Fitch, rather, in an interview said that he was very disturbed by all this because there's a class action lawsuit.

And what they're saying is that if the class action lawsuit is dropped, like that they could form this this union. And if they all agree to abandon the class action lawsuit, it would it would like help the strength and form the union. And John Fitch was like, what? Like, so you're saying that the UFC would accept you as a union if you abandon the class action lawsuit that we've been chasing down for two years? Now, without picking any sides, like if you're on the side of the fighters, not picking any sides, you just have to look at that and go, well, what benefit would it be for the people that are not in this to accept that the class action lawsuit is dropped? This all sounds like someone's trying to get some money. Correct. There's no one's doing this for free.

That's what everybody has to realize when it comes to like these agencies. And there's like three different competing ones that are stepping in. Right. One suing the other. There's the associate. The two big ones. There's association. There's the union. Yeah.

Well, ultimately, I think we all want the same thing. We all want fighters to be compensated fairly. Want them to make a lot of money because it's a short window of time and it's an awesome sport to watch. Right. Correct. So you got to wonder, does this help that? Does this help them? Do any of these organizations?

They haven't yet because if they can't even get together and organize and they're going to fight, then no one's going to take you serious. There's three different leaders, three different ones. And they all want different things, and then you've got to wonder whose agenda's over here, whose agenda's over here. It can't come from a businessman. businessman can't come from another promoter has to come from the fighters the fighters you know what i'm saying yeah and i'm not saying current fighters because they they need to fight and then they need to have someone speak for them

who's been there but you can't have these business guys with other hidden agendas trying to get things done or or in uh bjorn's case he has this you know weird jealousy with dana and wants to see him destroyed well we can't have that why are you speaking for us what are you doing yeah you have you don't have the respect of the fighters what the fuck you're doing and notice he's taking a seat back because everyone when everyone saw him speaking they're like we're out man yeah well he was going old school bellator when he was running things over there and when uh king moe was pissed off at him. And King Moe, most of this day, calls him a dick rider all the time.

It's not good when you've got a guy like King Moe, a very respected guy who has horrible things to say about you. And I talked to the association. I went, what are you guys doing? You have one way to make an impression, and you put your best foot forward with this guy? I don't know the dude. Do you know him? I know of fighters who have dealt with him. I never fought for Bellator, so I know inside the fighter circle

that people have dealt with him for managing and stuff like that. But I don't know him personally. I was looking at all the tweets and all the negative stuff. I think you can take a very positive angle about improving the life and the conditions of these fighters without attacking people. Yeah, there's no reason to attack. And it's also, say what you want about Dana White, it's not his job to make sure you guys get your shit together and form an association. He's like, I'm a businessman.

I put on fights. If you guys want to do that, cool, get your shit together, and then let's figure something out. But if you guys are fighting with each other, we can't acknowledge it. You know what else is interesting about the $4 billion that they had to pay to buy the UFC? It's a lot of debt. I wonder, I don't understand business. I'm a dummy. I don't have any business background.

But how much money do you have to make to pay off $4 billion? If you buy a house and your house is like $3 million, like damn. You're looking at some daunting 30-year payments. Now imagine 1,000 times that plus a billion. Because that's what it is. That's 1,000 million. That's what a billion is. And that's why they're going and doing these budget cuts saying how can we save money here and how can we grow it. So then you see all of a sudden you see the women's 140 a billion is. And that's why they're going and doing these budget cuts saying, how can we save money here and how can we grow it?

So then you see, all of a sudden, you see the women's 140-pound division. You're seeing these interim belts. 145, yeah. 145. You're seeing these interim belts. You're seeing ways to make up the money. Well, that's a really sad thing about the Cyborg thing because Cyborg is extremely marketable at 145 pounds. And they made the division for her.

Yeah. They made the division for her and not just marketable but very controversial. Very controversial. I mean, she's scary. She mercs women. She goes after them and takes them down and destroys them. She smashes people. She's in her 30s. I think she's 34, 35. Is she that old?

I think so. Pull up. 31? 31. Okay, I'm wrong. So 31 is in her prime. It's in her prime. And for her to be the champion at 145? She could be back. But the problem is she's going to be under even more scrutiny.

She's so fucked, man. And there's never been someone who fucking needed to pass a test so bad in their life than her. Because the number one knock on her was, you've tested positive before. That's the only reason why you're competing. That's why you're knocking people out. And even I fell off that train and was like, no, she's so skilled. She deserves it. Put Mark and Dollars behind her.

They're like, fine, cool. Here's your division. Boom. Test positive. But put yourself in, is it possible that she really did deal with some crazy weight cutting backlash where her body's just like fucked up and it's retaining water in some weird way and her hormones are all fucked up because she got on the birth control pill i believe that and it's possible that a doctor did prescribe her this to try to mitigate that

and then the doctor told her that you could take this out of competition you can't take it into in competition because it is a diuretic right yeah so a diuretic if you are swollen all those things do seem to make sense i mean just trying to be trying to be, I don't want to see any skeptical hippo face. I'm with you on this, Joe. No, I actually believe a story. Have you seen Skeptical Snake? Yeah, I sent Skeptical. I blew up Skeptical Snake.

Someone sent me that. I went, I have to post this. Where did you find it? And the guy goes, just for you, Sean. I blew up Skeptical Snake. I went, I see you're skepticalical Hippo and I raised you a super skeptical snake. This fucking snake is so

skeptical. Have you seen it, Eddie? No. Check out Skeptical Snake. This should be your mascot. Whenever you watch CNN, this should pop up. Fake news! This is a new meme. This is a new meme. Look at this.

That motherfucker's so skeptical. He's like, hmm. Fake news, son. I don't know. Pizza gate? I don't think so. There needs to be a fake MMA news site. Look at this fucking.

Oh, look what you wrote. Look what you wrote. Pull it aside. My face when I watch a UFC promo these days. I see your skeptical hippo and raise you a super skeptical snake. That's exactly what I heard about it from. That's because they're not showing Amanda Nunes. It is kind of fucked up.

But it's also, you know, like someone pointed out, like when you're watching these promos, they're movies now. It's like this little film. It's not like training footage, people talking about it. It's like this really slickly produced produced movie thing her story's fucking great Oh Amanda Nunez the story's great. Yeah first openly gay world champion Freakin Brazilian, I mean knockout a highlight reel highlight reels. Yes, man I'm fucking word. Yeah, like she's the devil and then and then we they don't show any Ron the chaos

It's like that just it's like men in black with a want to use a zhunk and erase that from your memory. They don't show any of that. Well, there's been plenty of that video going around on its own. Everybody knows what happened. It's not something you need to discuss. I think they could have done it in that video and then shown the workout to the return, and it might be even more dramatic, showing her crying, showing her building back up, picking up the pieces again.

I mean, if you wanted to go deep, that's going to be in the movie, right? If you have a Ronda Rousey life story movie, that's got to be in the movie. Of course. 100%. If she comes back and wins, that's exactly what you're going to see. You're going to see all the pain. Ronda Rousey today, right now, I mean, she is who she is right now. What's going on right now is because what happened with Holly Holm.

You know, this is her comeback. This's going on right now is because what happened with Holly Holm. This is her comeback. This is it. Can she pull off the comeback? The only reason you're going, come back against who? Like I said, the average fan's going, come back against who? She's been the favorite in every fight she's ever been in. You mean they've had a complete blackout of Amanda Nunes? They haven't showed shit at all? Just a complete blackout? No.

There's very little footage that they're showing in these promos. Maybe you just stop watching boxing and put it back on fucking... Yeah, because I don't see enough UFC. On FS1. They got it over there on Boxing Network. Even Joe tweeted about it. No, I tweeted it while I was watching it at home.

I was actually in the hotel room. I was watching that UFC on Fox where Michelle Waterson beat Paige Van Zandt. And I was watching. I'm like where Michelle Watterson beat Paige Van Zandt, and I was watching, like, this is so bizarre. They're not showing the champion. They're showing this giant promo, and it's all Ronda, which makes some sense because Ronda's huge. That's what sells tickets. You want to let everybody know that she's coming back, but don't you want to let everybody

know that she's coming back against a killer? Don't you want everybody to know that she's coming back to fight the champion? But Joe, just from a business aspect, in some weird world in MMA, what if Amanda Nunes mercs her in the first round? There she is. Look. No one knows her. Yeah, this is one of them.

Look. One of them you see in her face. This is a great shot. Yeah, you just see her face. But, like, most of the piece is about Ronda. But there's a few of these, right? There's a few different ones. Do you know what I'm saying, Joe?

What happens if she mercs Ronda? Oh, look. See there? They're showing the head kick. They showed her head kick. Oh, this is somebody else's trailer, bro. This isn't UFC trailer stuff. This is some fan-created shit.

I'll try to find the real one. That's okay. You don't have to. It's no big deal. Yeah, it's all good. This is a lot longer than an actual promo, too. Like, how long is that video right there? That's two minutes.

Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying, Joe? What happens if some weird MMA world merges her? How weird at all? And then we're going, do you think that's weird? Not at all. No, it's her. I don't think that's weird at all. And then we're going, do you think that's weird? Not at all. No, it's a real dangerous fight. The UFC is acting like it.

They're putting all their chips in this basket where if Amanda Nunes does her thing and it happens, people are going, who the fuck just won? But Ronda is

a thousand times more popular than Amanda Nunes. 100%. 100%. That's where the money's coming from. Ronda, Ronda, Ronda. Not if she loses again. Okay, you've already Ronda, Ronda. What if she loses it? But hold on, you're already establishing that Ronda's fighting.

Would you want everybody to know she's fighting a killer? Who's she fighting? That's what we're tuning in for. You want to see the matchup. Selling it as if the whole thing that you're seeing is her coming back. Yeah. But I'm saying in business 101, what happens if that other person wins? We don't know shit about her. UFC channel, this is it. Yeah. But I'm saying in business 101, what happens if that other person wins?

We don't know shit about her. UFC channel, this is it. Yeah. There's just not much of it. You just don't see much. But you see a bunch of different. If she wins, then they'll blow her up. There's still time.

It isn't like we have a deadline. If she wins. You only can fight Ronda Rousey once. No. You get this one opportunity. Maybe. Maybe. If Ronda gets workedy once No You get this one opportunity Maybe If Ronda gets worked twice There's no rematch

Who knows But at least That's the girl that beat She'll be just like Holly Holm Instantly huge On fucking Ellen And all that shit

Holly's in an interesting Place too right Cause she was instantly huge And then she loses Two in a row Two straight Yeah And she loses two

To like two To completely different styles She gets choked out By Misha Against a better grappler, and then she gets checked a lot by Valentina Shevchenko. I would like to see that promo if it's possible, Jamie. The UFC one on the UFC YouTube?

I know it's YouTube, but there's no library. It's not real, bro. It's not real. It's on YouTube. So here's her in the top of her fame. Where do you get your promos from? Barn barring people. YouTube? You get them from CNN. We all know that. It's on YouTube. So here's her in the top of her fame. Where do you get your promos from? Armbar and people. YouTube? You get them from CNN.

We all know that. Smashing people. So this is, is this the same one? That's a cartoon. Or is this a different one? This is the Holly fight. Okay, here's Holly. So this is going to show it.

Oh my God. This one came out at the end of November. What happened there? They don't show it. Oh, they don't show it. They cut it. Oh, they go black and then you see Holly winning. Wow.

You see what she wants. Look at my skeptical snake Wow you gotta like go down more your face has to be down one. He's all pointy actually like you see he's up Progression of the belt you see the progression of the belt, but you don't see her getting head kicked. That's crazy Why would you not show the highlight Wow? well what you're doing is you're showing preferential treatment for one athlete without a doubt. And the idea is that the ability and the fame that she's reached, you show preferential treatment because she's different.

She's special. She's different. I agree. She's a massive star. She is a massive star. That's the girl that's going to put the asses in the seats right there. Man, this is crazy. She's not bigger than Connor, though.

I think you're right. But as far as women go, she's the Connor put the asses in the seats right there. Man. She's not bigger than Conor, though. I think you're right. But as far as women go, she's the Conor of the women's division. I'm talking about fighters. Oh, yeah. The women's division is not even close. No, not even close. There's no one like her. There's no one like her. But just because Conor sells more tickets doesn't mean she's... They have multiple stars. Multiple elite stars. And here you see Amanda

doing some workouts. You know, just lifting some weights. Her girlfriend's a strawweight in the UFC is she yeah world bantamweight champion Amanda Nunes they see some highlights so this one is showing more so this is a different one than the one the one that they see on TV where they roll up the garage door is here hitting see her hitting the pads. And that's it. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Yeah, pop, pop, pop. Looks good, though. Looks good doing that. Very interesting, man.

Very interesting. It's a fun fight. Who the fuck knows? Who the fuck knows? I just know you're going to be watching. Everyone's going to be watching. Fuck yeah, it's going to be crazy, man. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be nuts.

It's going to be crazy. I think you're going to be surprised by the ratings. You don't think anybody's watching? No, I'm not saying that Somebody's a hater No, no, no Look at that Look at that No, no

I'm not a hater That snake's awesome I'm hating on the promotional game plan I understand what you're saying I understand what you're saying I'm just I don't think you're going to see the same numbers of a Conor fight or something

Is there any other big fights that are coming up that we should be aware of? Any other big fights? What else is happening on the future? What do you think about Tony Khabib? Is that what's going to happen? That's not happening. It's not signed. It's not happening.

They're talking about for the interim title. I mean, that could easily happen. That could easily happen. Your boy wants money. But here's my question. How the fuck do you have an interim champion that quick? What is, what's going on with that? How do you-

That's what gets people to tune in is belts. Okay. And so because of the fact that you're guaranteeing... Well, also, if you have Habib fight Conor in Russia and Habib has the belt, Jesus

Christ. We need a Russian destroyer in the mix. Well, he is a Russian destroyer. He's the only one. He's the guy. He is it. He's undefeated. He's a smasher. But what a big opportunity for Tony.

If Tony Ferguson could steal that thunder. And if you see when Michael Johnson clipped him and hurt him, that was the first time we ever saw him hurt. But Michael Johnson just does not have the same grappling ability that Tony Ferguson has. No, not even close. It's a different animal. And also, Tony Ferguson is a different kind of striker, too. He's much more awkward in his movements, like real hard to time. But they're both real good.

Michael Johnson's a very good striker. Remember when he knocked out Dustin Poirier? They're both real good. But the big difference is the amount of grappling ability. Tony's grappling ability is way higher. Did you see Tony's tweet? What did he say? He goes, I'm down except the fight.

He goes, obviously, Khabib, you, because Khabib called him out, goes, where's the fight? And Tony said, dude, you made your deal and you're making bank. I'm not scared of anyone. I just want to get paid what I'm worth, man. I'm down to take the fight. Interesting. But I need to renegotiate my contract.

Interesting. You know what Tony said in between round one and round two? You know, he lost that first round. Rafael dos Anjos, he landed some good shots. And, you know, we ran into the cage. And you don't know exactly what's going on through his head. And his striking coach, Anthony, is, like, telling him some shit. And before I got to say anything, he looks at me and goes,

Coach, I'm going to break his leg. I'm going to kick the inside of it. You when he started yeah okay perfect that's what I want to hear he's like he's such a barbarian that's what he had to say is I'm gonna break his monster you see Khabib looking at Dana murking that gone Oh Michael Johnson yeah gone I'm give me a title shot man just whooping his ass. It's going to look different on the ground. Just beating his ass. It'll look different on the ground.

Khabib, make no mistake about it, is a fucking bear on the ground. Scary guy on the ground. Excellent grappler. Excellent grappler. But Michael Johnson was making a lot of key errors on the ground in arm positioning. Not a good guy. Yeah, he was giving them that crucifix. That crucifix he was giving it to.

He was hurt. He was hurt. Did you see Khabib versus Dos Angeles, though? And Dos Angeles is a legit black belt. Yeah. He mauled him. Khabib mauled him. I gotta see that again.

He mauled him. Mauled him on the ground. Mauled him in a weird way, where you watch him just smush a guy who's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, like he's handling it like a blue belt or a purple belt. I gotta see that one again. Tossing around like fucking- I think his grappling is as good as I've ever seen inside the octagon. He might not be the same submission stylist that a Damien Maia is, but his pure ability

to control guys, take them down, grapple them, and maul them is unprecedented. His MMA grappling, I agree. Look at this. When he gets a hold of you, it's so fucking undeniable. This kind of shit, he gets a hold of you. Bear hugs you. And just like, bitch, you're going down. You are going to the fucking ground. And he holds you there.

And he beats the fuck out of you when he has you there. Well, his pressure is insane. Insane. And his positioning is insane. His positioning, his pressure, his strength. He's like Damien Maia. Very similar. Without the submissions.

Ground and pound Damien Maia. Great control. But better takedowns. Better takedowns. Way better. Dam and pound, Damian Mayan. Great control. But better takedowns. Better takedowns. Way better. Damian Mayan's taken everyone down at 170. Wrestlers and everything. John Fitch, everybody.

No doubt about it. But you've got to give the edge to Nermin Gameroff. And the takedowns? Yeah. You think? Yeah, I think so. I give the edge to Nermin Gameroff over everybody. Yes.

Except Ben Askren. Ben Askren is like the only guy that you just go, okay, well, what the fuck? That's a fun fight. Oh, dude, Ben Askren, I feel like. Ben's bigger, but. Yeah, Ben is 170, of course. But he probably could make 155. Who the fuck knows?

They could be, they do a catch rate 160 super fight. And one thing that Dos Anjos didn't have that Tony's going to bring into this is college wrestling. Tony's a really good wrestler. Yep, yep. It's going to be a lot harder to take Tony down than it is Dos Anjos didn't have that Tony's going to bring into this is college wrestling. Tony's a really good wrestler. It's going to be a lot harder to take Tony down than it is Dos Anjos. Tony's just a different, he's like a harder mindset. He's a scary fucking dude. And more athletic. Whether he wins or whether he loses, Tony is a scary fucking guy to be in there with.

Very scary. Not that Dos Anjos isn't, but I think that Tony is like one notch scarier. Remember, this is Dos Anjos like in his prime too. Yes, before his prime, honestly. This was before he started making his real serious run. He got molly whopped here and then

Habib got injured and then Dos Anjos came back and he also started working with Nick Curzon. That was a big factor in his improvement because his strength and conditioning got way better after this fight because he realized like, holy shit, I can't keep this fucking vanilla beast Yeti thing off me.

His little pressure. He's a fucking Russian destroyer, man. There's just, these Dagestan people, man, that part of the world is tough. And those dudes are on another level when it comes to like tenacity and aggression he's also been doing it since he was a kid he's a world champion you know sambo yeah that and russians aren't regular white people all right we've established

that we're not about the same yeah american white russian white different their genetics are fucking those are powerful people man and it's i mean you think about all the guys who came out of Russia that have been ridiculous world champion caliber fighters. Like Fedor. Like their boxing system, too. Remember Ior Vovchenshkin? Yes. Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ. You remember when he fought Francisco Bueno? Do you remember that fight? I don't. Dude, okay. Dos Anjos is hanging in there with him for a while, but look at that. Boom! Look at that takedown. That was huge. Come on, son. No, he's a monster.

You know there's video of him wrestling an actual bear? Yeah, when he's a little kid. Like grappling a bear, Eddie. Pull up Igor Vovchanchin Francisco Bueno KO. Vovchanchin used to throw those casting punches, you know what I'm talking about? Where he'd throw hammers. He would throw like, he would whip them. Igor Vovchanchen used to throw those casting punches, you know what I'm talking about, where he'd throw hammers?

He would throw like, he would whip them. Let me spell that. Igor Vovchanchen. Just give it a chance. Vovchanchen. Do you know how to spell it, Eddie? Vovchanchen. Vovchanchen.

C-H-A-N. Vovchanchen. There it is. Just go with one of those. Vovchanchen. And then write MMA. Nothing. Put Igor is. Just go with one of those. Vovchanchen. And then write MMA. Nothing. Put Igor MMA.

Just put Igor MMA. I got it. Okay, there he is. Vovchanchen versus Francisco Bueno. Francisco Bueno. It's one of the most vicious KOs ever. Watch this shit. You never seen this before?

Vovchanchen was another guy who was maybe 5'8", 5'9", at the most, chaos ever watch this you never seen this before vov chan chin was another guy who was like maybe five eight five nine at the most and was fighting heavyweights and just he looked like a guy who had longer arms but they sawed the ends off did you remember ego is he before your time is he before your time he's he's before i got really but you know who he is yeah oh yeah dude look at that i mean that was he was an early russian destroyer i know oh yeah one of the scary yeah. Dude, look at that. He was an early Russian destroyer. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah. Powerful Russian dad bod, though.

Look at the size of his fucking thighs, dude. Those were ridiculous thighs. Like, his whole body was just like this compact, just explosive machine. What do you think of Ryzen? I love it. I love it. We need more.

We need more. It's just like pride, right? Yeah, we need all that. We need a bunch of organizations like that to emerge. Dude, you see Heath Haring's back? Yeah, it's good. He's filling in for Shane Carver. I'm so sad that Shane's out, but I'm happy to see that Heath is doing it again.

I saw pictures of him with Roy at a T-Painting tour. 40? Probably. He hasn't fought since Lesnar. Remember when Lesnar steamrolled him? Knocked him over and knocked him around. 10 years ago. Yeah, that was his last fight.

8 or 10 years ago. 10 years ago. Long-ass time. Yeah. And then you got Mirko Krokop versus Moe Lawal. Who is Krohn fighting? He's fighting in Ryzen, right? Krohn is fighting Kawajiri.

Ooh. That's a real fight right there. That's a real fight. Dangerous on his feet. Kawajiri is a little old, but still. MMA-wise, that's a real fight right there That's a real fight Dangerous on his feet That college guy is a little old But still MMA wise He's a beast

That's a first like test for Krohn For sure And MMA Yeah real test right Yeah That's a good fight Damn son If he gets back it's over though

So you know they're doing The champion will be crowned They're doing those fights over three days So you win You fight the next night That's so crazy Who's doing that Ryzen They're doing a tournament Yeah That's so crazy. Who's doing that? Ryzen.

They're doing a tournament? Yeah. That's so crazy. What weight? Heavyweight. Who's in the tournament? Mo Lawal, King Mo, that crazy dude, that Amir Al-Khabari. Have you seen that guy? Yes. He's terrifying. Yeah.

He's fighting at AKA, right? He's training out of AKA? Yeah, Thailand With Mike Swick Oh is he They tagged me The picture of him Him and that Hulk guy You remember the Hulk In the UFC

Simone Hulk Mmhmm Sawa Pulele Yes Sawa and Pulele And Mike Swick Are holding back And he's like

Ah And they're like About to unleash the beast Oh god Jesus Christ This dude is scary I think Ryzen's awesome I think it's important.

There it is. Jesus. It's a big boy. He looks like Gabriel Gonzaga and Shane Carwin had a kid. Yeah, and Ridonculous Wrestling. Just a big-ass giant. This is that guy. I remember that.

He's been training for a while, right? Yeah. He's doing Ryzen. He's in this tournament. What's his name? Amir. Amir. Amir.

Ali. Bakari. Ali. Ali. Ali. Ali. Ali. Akbari. Ali Akbari. Ali Akbari. They showed him in Myth. Amir. Ali. Bakari. Ali. Ali. Ali Akbar.

Ali Akbar. Ali Akbar. They showed him in myths. Powerful. Not too good with the striking. Is he Russian? He's right there on that border. No, sir. He's not Russian.

What is his nationality? He's Iranian. Is he? He's Muslim as fuck. Here we go here. Yeah. Iranian. Oh, shit.

A lot of strong wrestlers come out of Iran. You know? Iron Sheik. His thing's Greco, which doesn't always translate to MMA, but... Who's more synonymous with wrestling in Iran than the Iron Sheik? None. Maybe nobody. Zero ever.

Zero ever. Did you ever see that I gave him a ride to the airport once and videotaped the whole thing and put it on YouTube. Really? Have you ever seen that? No. Iron Sheik, it's like seven parts. Me, Iron Sheik, and Danny Lohner were,

because his manager would take, you'd give him 200 bucks and you could hang out with Iron Sheik in his hotel and just fucking shoot the shit with him. Wow. And so Danny says, dude, you want to go hang out with Iron Sheik? I said, fuck, yes.

So we went and it turns out we were, and he was going to the airport. We were late. He goes, you want to just take us to the airport? And we're like, fuck, yeah. We got him trapped in the car. Look at that motherfucker. That's him there? Oh, that's him.

How old is he there? He's a pretty old guy. Holy shit. There's Danny. He looks like a wax figure. Yeah, he came on stage with me at that pot club in Toronto. What? Yeah, he came on stage with me at that pot club in Toronto. What? Yeah, he came on stage.

He was in the audience, and I brought him up on stage. You're damn right you did. Joe Rogan knows what is toughest sport in all of Olympics. Freestyle wrestling. Greco-Roman. Yeah! He's a chameleon. Out of respect. Out of respect.

That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. Did the crowd know who it was? Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. Everybody knows who the Iron Sheik is. I showed him that I named a move after him. I had my book with me.

And I go, look, I called the move the Iron Sheik. Oh, that's amazing. He's hurting, man. His whole body is all fucked up from all those years of pro wrestling. Like, everything. That too. But, I mean, his knees are gone. His hips are gone. His back's gone. He's hurting. Those wrestlers get fucked up, man. Fuck, everything. That, too. But, I mean, his knees are gone. His hips are gone.

His back's gone. He's hurting. Those wrestlers get fucked up, man. Fuck, yeah, they do, man. Nobody, I don't think people appreciate the beating those guys take on their bodies. Their schedule. They're on the road like 300 days a year. Even though it's all, you know, obviously rehearsed and all that stuff. In reality, behind the scenes, he was the baddest dude.

He was a real, he has an Olympic gold medal in wrestling. So does Kurt Angle. Yeah. And backstage, he was the fucking olymp he has an olympic gold medal in wrestling so does kurt angle and uh and backstage he was the fucking man everybody knew that he was running the fucking show well well he was a definite like real wrestler yeah for sure you know there's a few of those guys that get into pro wrestling that are like kurt angle but a real legitimate gold medalist and if shit went down they'd fuck you up for real. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, like, how about Brock? Like, if the shit went down, who's beating Brock?

Good luck. Yeah. Good luck, all you guys. Kane Velasquez. Yeah, Kane. There's like three people on the planet. Yeah, and also Kane at 240, you know, when Brock is at 265. When Brock is not under any sort of guidelines or restrictions, he tends to be larger. Ask Mark Khan about it.

Yeah. Wow. Look at that. The Iron Sheik. Damn, he was jacked. Oh, he was super jacked back in the day. Powerful mustache. Yeah, he was a thick dude.

He also used to use those Iranian clubs. Look at the fucking... Go back to that picture. Look at the fucking thighs on that dude. Jesus Christ I mean, he's just like one thick mother Oh, please powerful

Yeah, thick ass powerful dude, but um watch see if you could find I rainy guy Indian Club workout have you seen the documentary on the iron shake no there's a documentary on him They just got released like maybe on maybe a year or two ago. They're always sad. It's awesome. They're always sad, though. Like the Jake the Snake one's a bummer.

See those clubs? It's a great documentary. Is it sad, though? It's his whole story. It's his whole story. You know, you're not going to start crying. So watch how he does this. These clubs.

I don't need that. Check this shit out. These clubs that he's using, these are like traditional Indian clubs that they used to use to work out. They would do these things called shield casts. That is fucking very hard to do. Hell yeah. And the way he's doing it, he's like throwing those things around like they're nothing.

Those are fucking difficult to swing around. I do that workout with a 25 pound club. It's that, like, that's that hard to do. No, he's a legit badass. Yeah. 25 pound seems like it's nothing that like, it seems like what the fuck is that though? He called them Persian clubs. Persian clubs. Well, they used them in Persia as well in Iran, but those were, uh, like an old school strength and conditioning, uh, piece of equipment and you would get other people to try to do it, and they just couldn't do it. Like some of them, they would do them out of wood.

They would use like these big, thick pieces of heavy wood with a handle on the bottom of them. And that was what they originally were made out of. But now a lot of guys make them out of steel now. So who is this guy? Jacked white boy taking the challenge. Oh, he's doing it too. Precious Paul.

Who is Precious Paul? God it too. Precious Paul. Who is Precious Paul? God damn it, Precious Paul. Terrible man. Precious Paul is going forward and back, which is legit, but the real way to do it is what's called a shield cast, where you take your right hand and you go towards your left shoulder, behind your back, and then you control. You bring it down in front of you and control.

Do we have any of those here? No. We don't have any of those? No. We have the maces, but we don't have a club It's a fucking awesome exercise for shoulder strength Your shoulders better be in good shape to do that You can't go with like really heavy weights

Right off the bat But obviously Precious Paul Oh he's getting jacked now Seconds later he was like You stupid fuck Precious Paul I wear you out Now I kick your chest

precious Paul he's awesome man just knowing that Iron Cheek knows I'm alive made me happy that's pretty dope can you still pay him $200 to chill and stuff

I think so $400 now is it $400 it's $500 now $500 fuck that's a bummer man if you keep talking it's gonna get more

yeah we had him in the car for like an hour just picking his brain making him leave messages on people's phones he was down he wasn't annoyed at all they were happy they got they got their money and a free ride to the airport where's he live i think somewhere in minnesota maybe cold out there as fuck if you got a bad hip there's some wwe guys killing it like jesse ventura's killing. He was a big time WWE guy. He's had some injuries too, man. A lot of those guys

are all busted up from that sport. Dude, Jesse Ventura is like 100% weed activist now. Oh yeah. He just wrote a book on... I had him on. Oh shit. How nuts is that? He was great. He's all about the weed movement. He lives off the grid in Mexico or some shit. Yep, and he uses weed

for... He's got a bunch of ailments, and his wife has some ailments too. You know, and she's using weed for it. You know, he sued the American Sniper guy and won. American Sniper, yeah. Chris Kyle. Chris Kyle. Chris Kyle said he beat him up, kind of punked him in a bar. Yeah, yeah.

And he was like, that fucking never happened. Yeah. And sued him, yeah. He's actually said he was going to consider running for president if Donald Trump won. That's what he said on the podcast. I wonder if he's still going to do it. He's in his 70s now, isn't he? Yeah, he's in his 70s.

That's a hard job. So is Donald Trump. That's true. It's all very interesting, man. Okay, any other fights we need to talk about? Is that it? Do we get them all? Pull up that last one.

Yeah, Brandon Thatch. Ooh, who's he fighting? He hasn't fought in a while. He's fighting Price. Who's Nico Price? Nico Price. How's Thatch doing? You're friends with him, right? Yeah, friends with him. I talked to Lister Bullen this morning

about him. He said it's the most... Thatch's thing has always been dedication. He said it's the most dedicated he's ever been to a fight. That's usually scary. He, he's a super, super talented guy. Oh, and Tim Means is fighting Alex Oliveira. Ooh, there's a sleeper. Dude, how come nobody brought that fight up? What about Stun Dunn vs. Safedine?

But hold on, let's look at this fucking fight. Tim Means is a bad motherfucker, and so is Oliveira. Oliveira's big, though. Didn't he have a hard time making 170 in his last fight? Yeah. Was his last fight when he got murked by Cowboy, the real Cowboy? No. Because he goes by Cowboy, too.

No, I feel like he fought after that. Oh, that's right, and he won, knocked the guy out. But he was way overweight. That's right. He was huge.

Like, way overweight. Like, for some reason, I mean, I want to say he was several pounds overweight, right? That's a fun fight. Yeah. Alex Garcia versus Mike Pyle.

Mike Pyle's still hanging in there. God, talk about... Can we, he's the dirty bird. He's a bad motherfucker, too. Really skillful. Very smart guy when it comes to. He's not young. MMARQ.

No, he's in his 40s, but he's in the Larry Holmes 40s. You know, like a legit 40s with USADA. You know. Legit 40s. Tarek Safedine and Dong Young Kim. That's interesting, too. Stone Gun's been out for a minute. Yep, he has. And him versus Tarek Safedine and Dong Young Kim. That's interesting too. Stungun's been out for a minute. Yep, he has.

And him versus Tarek Safedine is very interesting. When was the last time Stungun was in? When was the last time Dong Young Kim was fighting? What was his last fight, if you had to guess? It wasn't the Woodley fight, was it? Woodley stopped him. Probably. Because he's taken a long last time off.

Is it Woodley? Nope. Last fight he won. Who did he fight there? Dominic Waters. Shit's see what it says there. Is it Woodley? Nope. Last fight he won. Who did he fight there? Dominic Waters. Shit. Oh, Berkman. Dominic Waters and Josh Berkman.

Okay. And then he lost to Woodley. So he's taken. Woodley KO'd him two years ago. So he hasn't fought since 2015. Yeah. Hmm. John Hathaway.

What happened to him? He was dealing with some injuries, I think. He had a lot of potential. Yeah, a lot of potential had a lot of potash. Yeah, a lot of potash. A lot of potash. And underappreciated grappling ability for a big guy from the UK. English fella, that's right.

Yeah. But he had some injuries, I believe. And didn't he have some sort of an allergy or something, too? Like maybe a food allergy or something like that that he was dealing with? I don't know. You don't see or hear from him. I think I remember some kind of... Medical issue? Yeah.

Something. That's a bummer. Yeah, man. Hard-ass sport. Is that it? Is that it for that card? Anything else coming up that we need to talk about before we get the fuck up out this bitch? How many articles do you think we wrote for the MMA media today?

A fake MMA news site they need to start They're all fake they have a lot of fake ones. Yeah, people make up shit. I walked out and it's almost like a blur I don't remember. I said Ty read some shit. Whoops My friends are you kidding me? I never watch that shit Those videos pop up like randomly I'm watching something else and that shit pops up and i'm like i don't want to watch that bullshit well on my show i'll do fan questions be like remember when you said this shit to rogan like i said that listen that's what the problem with like people like getting upset at something that people's three people say whether you're just we're all racing we're always darting in with shit and talking shit we're all high and we're being ridiculous when you when

you do stuff like that like you're to say some shit that you probably shouldn't have said, but you can't pretend that this is anything we thought out. A lot of it is completely off the cuff. And if you don't like that, that's fine. But if you do like it, there's only one way to do it, folks. You've got to do it off the cuff like that. And you're going to crack some eggs if you want to make an omelet. It's true.

We'll make some omelets. They're fake omelets,elet. It's true. We'll make some omelets. They're fake omelets though. By the way, Brian Cowan's not here because we don't love him. He's busy. He's on vacation, that's all. People are like, oh, you guys are cutting Cowan out? No, not at all. But if he was here, we would definitely have made fun of him and we definitely would have got

called bullies. True. And he would have made some facts up. It's just what we do and we love him. He's a crazy boy. He's a fun fella. So he's out there on vacation. So yeah, he'll be back for the next one. So we'll try to do one soon. There's some other ones coming

up that I'm not doing. I know for sure we'll have to do that. Ben Saunders is coming up against Court McGee. When is that? Court McGee That's in January 15th Sunday January 15th in Phoenix So I'll be there cornering So I wouldn't be able to do it for you

That's the BJ Penn card? What is it January what? 15th. Oh it's a Sunday night? Oh that'd be fun Oh I'm in man I'm in No conspiracy theories that one That's our next one Brian's saying why doesn't BJ just punch him with the right hand? I'll tell you what, BJ's fundamentals are just off.

Yeah, why doesn't he just hit him with the right hand? All right, folks, that's it. Fighter and the Kid, tfatk.com, Edgy Bra, Eddie Bravo on Twitter, Eddie Bravo 10 on Instagram, Brendan Schaub on Instagram, 10thplanetjj.com. We're in Seattle, Portland, and Vancouver January Next EBI is on March

We're aiming for March 5th Aiming for it But old ones which you do want to watch Are all available on Fight Pass Go there and check out the last one With Gio Martinez Against Eddie Cummings Catches him with an armbar

God damn And just so many epic matches and it give you if you're a fight fan in particular give you a real appreciation of high level grappling and getting to see all these submissions and it's just awesome format that Ed Gibra has invented alright we'll be

back tomorrow with Zach Leary Timothy Leary's son alright we'll see you bye Zach Leary. Zach Leary. Timothy Leary's son. He's going to be here tomorrow. Oh, shit. All right. We'll see you. Bye. See ya.

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