The Joe Rogan Experience - #905 - Shane Smith

Episode Date: January 25, 2017

Shane Smith is a Canadian-American journalist. He also is the co-founder and CEO of the international media company VICE.

Let's do the countdown. False countdown. 4, 3, 2, 1. Yeehaw! And we're live. What's up, my brother? That was quick. How are you? I know. That's how it goes. I like it that way. Very efficient. Very efficient. I like it. Just start. Just start. Boom. Make it happen. I like it. So, things are getting weird. Real quick. Yeah? What are you thinking about this orange fella? What are you thinking about this orange fella? I mean, I got to say, for me, it's the best time ever to start a news service. Oh, yeah. And we started our daily show about a month before, and it just is like, wow.

And you're doing it on Vice, on your channel? No, it's with HBO. It's a daily news show on HBO. It's like we were doing so well on weekly. I don't know about shit. Why don't I know about this? We did our weekly show and then that was doing well so they gave us a daily show

and they were going to just put it on HBO Now and go but then it was doing so well they put us on the air on TV so it's every night. This is the best possible

compliment for your show. Your show is like what I would expect someone who's never done a show before to do if you just gave them a fuckload of money.

Yeah, that's probably, that's exactly. And gave the hosts who have really never hosted anything before and gave them a fuckload of money.

The whole thing feels so, the wrong word to use is unprofessional. Right. But it's unpolished. Unpolished. Yeah.

Unfakeified. There you go. It's unpolished. There's no one talking like this. There's no Brian Williams. We didn't know what we were doing. And when we started, the criticisms came. My favorite was from the New York Times.

It's just a bunch of hipsters in skinny jeans and tattoos high-fiving in war zones. tattoos, high-fiving in war zones. And I was like, if you aren't criticizing the news, aren't criticizing the truth or the facts or the stories, you're just criticizing that we have tattoos and we don't look like you, we won. Fuck you. Perfect. So that was our first season.

Why wouldn't they celebrate that? That's really interesting. It's really interesting to see a bunch of young weirdos in war zones. You know, there was one that you guys did. I don't remember the location it was, really interesting it's really interesting to see a bunch of young weirdos in war zones you know there was one that you guys did i don't remember the location it was but uh one of your reporters was out there and he had a flak jacket on and he was surrounded by all these rebels and they're in these bombed out buildings and you can hear boom you hear things going off in the distance and he's like kind of calmly explaining okay so what's going on is they're bombing the location very close to us.

And they're over there. And he's like pointing at them. It's probably Ben Anderson. That guy's a savage. I think it was Ben Anderson. We just did a thing on the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan and how it's basically going back to the same borders that it was pre-invasion. And he's under fire the whole time. And he's just like, you know, and he just goes down on one knee and he keeps talking unfazed and as they're driving back

they're they're clearing out these ieds and they're just pulling it with a rope and and and like pulling out the ieds with a rope and he's just standing there calmly hoping they don't blow up no no he's calmly like talking to the camera as all this shit is happening and you're like this guy is fucking special dude is he on antidepressants yeah i asked him about it one time and he goes you know i have this thing where there's like a 30 second lag between like some guy like you want to die and he's got a 30 second lag between like when he realizes that and so he he comes across as just sort of like you know unflappable but wow it's like it's a genetic thing he's also fucking the best war

journalist out there so did he fall on his head as a youth is there something missing is there a broken part he's just he's built for the job wow he's really built for the job well it's it's i'd like to see that in this day and age i, we're dealing with this weird time where the president of the United States points to CNN and says, I'm not talking to you. You're fake news. And then the meme comes, you know, with the sunglasses fall down, the thug life meme with him. And you do get a lot of fake news, though. You're getting a lot of these unsubstantiated reports about him with prostitutes and urine. And they're talking about it on the fucking news, which is unprecedented's ever done that there's fake news on both sides that's the

problem and there's so much of it that it's it's it's it's almost impossible to wade through it all yeah and you know for us when after the election everybody came to me and said what should we do and i said we got to just be logical fact-basedbased, middle of the road, press record, non-political, non-partisan, none of this shit. We just go out there and do it. The problem is, you know, we view ourselves as centrist and sort of press record all that stuff. But if the world takes a sort of giant leap to the right with, you know, fake news and all this crazy shit happening, then you're sitting there sort of going, well, all of a sudden we're put in this position.

Like for me, I always bring it up and say like I'm an environmentalist because there's a boogeyman there. Like we all get fucked if the environment gets fucked. And there's a boogeyman that we can sort of, you know, go against and it's good for everybody, you know, whatever. And the problem is, is I don't know when environmentalism became a left thing. It should be for anyone who's sane, anyone who's smart. And, you know, I spend time like going back to war, like when you spend a lot of time in war zones,

the one thing when you talk to people in those war zones is war is fucked. It's not fun. It's not heroic. It's not like a manly shot in the you know it's like you know catheter bags and you're fucked up and you know you're half your head's missing your ass is missing your balls are missing yeah and so it's when you go to these things you never want to go back kind of thing you know when you talk about the environment when you talk to the scientists they're all like well of course it's a global scientific consensus. Of course it is. And then I did this piece this year on season five. It's going to be the first piece. And I'm like, I literally don't understand what the fuck is happening here. Because if you talk to every scientist now, they're terrible at getting information out scientists, but they're like, well, that's not my fucking job. My job to do science i don't fucking know right so but you know there's this global scientific consensus of you know global warming 97 which never happens in any science right ever but there's all this um uh uh doubt not all over the world but a lot in america still so we looked at it we said why the what the fuck is happening here? And there's now three AGs,

three attorney attorneys general with 20 other in support have come out for this lawsuit now against Exxon. CEO of Exxon is now our secretary of state, uh, Rex Tillerson. And so the, what happened was they knew in the seventies and eighties that fossil fuel, um,

uh, uh, you know, burning fossil fuels, carbon in the air, caused global warming and was a factor for global warming. And then they realized this is going to be bad for business. So in the 80s and 90s and now, they spend billions of dollars on, you know, discrediting the science. That's the whole thing. Well, there's no consensus. Thereiting the science. That's the whole thing. Well, there's no consensus. There's no consensus. That's the thing. And they spend billions of dollars to do it. There is a consensus.

Did you see Emergence of Doubt? I did. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. And it highlights that. Yeah, exactly. And a lot of people, it's the same people.

What that highlights is it's the exact same scientists and the exact same people and groups and... More like spokespeople. Spokespeople. That went after cigarettes. They did cigarettes. Well, in some cases, the same scientists. Yeah.

They said, oh, well, it's the exact same thing. It's question the science. Yeah. It's, you know, well, there's not, we can't really figure out. Smoking, lung cancer could be anything. And do it loudly and concisely with quick sentences where they're very well prepared and they do the exact same thing with global warming and that's why when you come here and you talk to people and say you know look we have to do this we have to they're

just like no science isn't settled fuck you and you're like it's like back in the day when your mouth would open and a cigarette would come out and say smoking is good for you or whatever it's like an oil can comes out you're like no the science isn't settled yet well this this that whole argument that the science isn't settled yet like you said it's being perpetrated by the people that can profit on the science not being settled and that gets really scary because a lot of other people yes you're being fucking do and what gets scary is it makes it real convenient for right-wing people who just classically think and vote and behave right-wing to just adoptically think and vote and behave right

wing to just adopt that thinking and then repeat and then say, well, that's a left thing. And you're like, it's not a fucking left thing. Like you're a hunter. You'd like to go out. It's an everybody who likes to go outside thing. It's like everybody likes to hunt thing. Everyone likes to swim thing. It's everyone like a surf thing.

Everyone likes to drink fucking water. Water. You know? Right. I mean, did you see this? There was a new report that came out today about the infrastructure in terms of the water supply. Yeah. The pipes that we have, that the water's being carried with, that they're all rotting out and replaced in this country.

It'll cost a trillion dollars. Yeah, yeah. But they're saying that Flint, what happened in Flint, could happen in a lot of places. Because of the pipes. Yeah, it's just old infrastructure. It needs to be replaced. Yeah. You know, and here it is, Nation of Flint. America's 1.2 million miles

of deteriorating lead pipes and they'll cost $1 trillion to fix. One thing that I like about Trump is that he has been saying that he wants to address the infrastructure and he wants to put people to work fixing all the problems that exist

and creating jobs by fixing all these types of problems. Which is another famous president said the same thing. Which one? FDR. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Well, he's a good guy, right? Doesn't he have a good one? It's hard to say who's a good one. We only like the ones that get shot. I have like a whole bit about that. We like Kennedy and we like Lincoln. Well, it's interesting, you know, because the president, if you really look at it, traditionally, you know, their big power is right now is when you do appointees or when you, you know, get a judge through or when you do an appointee, you know their their big power is right now is when you do appointees or when you you know get

a judge through or when you do an appointee you know you put your cabinet together and then the cabinet has power and the president goes on to opening you know bridges and you know flying around the world and shaking hands and kissing babies and i think that that's what you know what we said is we're not gonna as a agency, look at the boombastic or the titillating headlines or the, oh, my God, he said that. We're going to look after policy. We're going to look at what is the EPA with a guy who runs the EPA who tried to sue the EPA and shut it down. What does the Department of Energy look like with Rick Perry who, when he when he ran for president, said, I would I would shut down the Department of Energy. What does that look with him actually running it? Or Sessions, who actually is now the attorney

general who sued the government many times against climate change reform? Or Rex Tillerson, you know, who ran the largest fossil fuel company in the world, now being Secretary of State. So we're looking more at just policy, what policy, you know, changes because of this cabinet, etc., etc. Yeah, it's really weird. It's like everybody thought this was going to be this sort of get rid of political correctness, stop all these whiny crybaby liberals. And then once he got into office, a lot of the same people that I talked to that were

kind of in support of him just kind of stepped back and went, whoa, like already? Right. Like right away? Yeah. Keystone Pipeline, the Dakota Access. Abortion. Immediately abortion. I mean, they're cutting insurance payment, paying of abortion.

How would you say that? Funding of abortion. It's like you can't get an abortion with insurance anymore. Have they passed that? Has that been passed? Which is, you know, obviously for some people that don't like abortions, it's a very touchy subject. Which, ironically, the same people who love war. It's very strange.

There you go. They don't want you killing babies. They don't mind killing people once they're full grown they can go fuck themselves especially if they live in some other spot and he's really fucking building a wall yeah it wasn't just rhetoric yeah i mean it's it's he's a guy who got elected on a populist uh you know platform so he's going to do some of those things. It's going to be interesting, man. I mean, I think two things about it. I don't really think so much about Trump as much as two things.

I think, A, it shows a sort of generational divide. It's not just Trump, because you saw it in Brexit. You're seeing it in France. You saw it in Italy. You're seeing it in many countries around the world where you have the largest cohort, the largest demographic now is Gen Y. But the socioeconomic and political power is mostly still controlled by the boomers. So you have this sort of generational divide. And what happened in America was the Gen Y was more fractured. You know, we talked a little bit about this. It fractured because of Bernie Sanders and

Hillary and people just didn't like Hillary. And so and by the way, she's, you know, an older generation as well. And then Trump was the sort of baby boomers like living in the gated community saying we don't want all that bad shit to happen. I understand why people don't want to believe in environmental change because it's scary and it's bad. And it's like, fuck, I don't want to believe in that. So I'm not going to believe in that. Right. And so I think but you have this generational divide. And now what you have is just sort of this backlash of kids going like in Brexit.

They're like, what the fuck? You guys vote to fucking leave Europe and now I'm fucked. You know, hold on a second. And now I think you're going to get that. think it's it's sort of a global thing and i think it's also young people are are getting upset and also they're learning you should have fucking voted yeah i i've talked to quite a few people that were pissed off that didn't vote yeah i'm like well that's kind of weird and they were like well california's going to hillary. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sort of. Yeah.

Well, that's the problem. Like, you know, California legalized recreational marijuana and... Sessions. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't... No. He doesn't want it. Yeah.

He literally is on record saying that good people don't smoke marijuana. Yeah. What about drink scotch? There you go. Do good people drink scotch? Yeah. What about cigars? Do good people smoke cigars, Jeff?

How does that work? And I think that that's, you know, if you look at it, every, I think young people know what side of history they want to be on. Like, we're all like, we all know it's going to be legalized. Yeah. We all know it's going to be there. It's going to be like, say, three years, maybe five years. And then all this shit, all those people in jail don't have to be in jail.

All this money, all this tax money can go and look at what happened to Colorado. All the cartels, all the, all this stuff this stuff it's just like it's going to happen so anybody who comes along and says nope fuck that you're like well you're on the wrong side of history brother well he's left it up what trump has said is that he's going to leave it up to the states so if he leaves it up to the states it's just going to go across the country and then what are they going to do federally once it becomes state legal everywhere and then the federal government still says it's illegal what do they do then i mean do they change then because they have to change a lot because of the money they have to change a lot because in colorado you right it's legal but you can't you know bank it you know yeah it's a

fucking mess it's a mess they have armored cars and guys with guns i know a lot of guys who are former seals yeah and and you know guys who work for Blackwater, and now they're fucking holding guns at weed shops because they got a million dollars in cash in the back. Which is bad enough with one state, but when it's 20 states, you're like- Not only that, I mean, how many fucking places in that state? Think about one state. How many mercs do you have running around in those places?

Grow houses and the banking, and it all has to be cash business. You have to grow your own shit in Colorado, too. That's the other thing. You're not buying it from somebody. You have to grow your own shit in Colorado too. That's the other thing. You're not buying it from somebody. You have to grow it if you're selling it. So the whole, it's your, you're,

they're creating a dangerous situation and people have already been robbed. Correct. And you know, the whole thing to me, it's, it was really disappointing when the DEA didn't change the classification from schedule one in August. Like they had,

they had the opportunity. All the evidence was there. They know the evidence is there and they fucking lied about it. And this is under Obama. Also, the problem with that is because it's schedule one, you can't do research on cancer,

all of the CBD stuff that's coming out now. Where it's not psychoactive, which is so important. For people who have issues like arthritis and I had Joe Valtellini here, who's a former kickboxing champion. He's a commentator now for Glory. He told me that he was locked in a room after one of his concussions from his last fight, locked in a room in the dark for three weeks

because you couldn't even see the light on the power button on a cell phone to charge a cell phone. Like the little red light that would give him a headache. And so CBD oil cured him of that. And it's currently illegal. And that's the thing is, again, what side of history do you be on? Like we know all of this stuff. We know where it's going. Why the fuck are we slowing down now?

Well, it's a bunch of old people. That's really what it is. It's a bunch of old people who don't get high. And they're scared of it and instead of looking at it pragmatically objectively looking at the science they're looking at it like some goddamn 1950s episode of uh dragnet you know joe friday's coming in it's for losers it's frustrating are you a loser mickey you know it's like that's that's really what's going on it's it's strange. Yeah. Yeah, we did this story. You know the kings of cannabis?

You know these guys? They're like the seed hunters. They fly around the world, and they find the best seed strains. No. And then they go back to Holland, and they make— They won the Cannabis Cup like six, eight years in a row. They did White Widow. Let me tell you something about the Cannabis Cup real quick.

I was one of the fucking judges of the Cannabis Cup. Oh, there you go. Well, you know these guys. There are two Dutch guys. I don't know these guys because I only did it once and I'll never do it again. It's a farce. Okay, this is what they give you. They give you, you know how those old ladies that take pills?

Like if you're, like someone else take your arthritis medication and you have like seven days, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, those little things. They give you one of those. Each one of those things has weed. And you just start fucking smoking. You're off to the races. You have no idea. After the first couple of hits, you're on Pluto. This one's great. And you're just fucking hammering it. And then everybody's

talking in this ridiculous jargon. They're like, oh, this is really tasty. They're fucking super annoying and stinky. And they're talking about the cannabis community. I had this weird conversation with this one who won when they when you just fuck knows i don't even know who i voted for i have no idea i was so high afterwards i was having out-of-body experiences because people were giving

me cookies and candies it was one if not the highest one of the highest i've ever been in my life maybe the highest yeah because we were at this place on Melrose. It was a head shop. And in the back, they had this pot thing. And it was just filled with fucking people. And there's no ventilation. Just filled with pot smoke. And this is in Amsterdam? This is in Los Angeles.

Oh, Los Angeles. Yeah. They did it in LA. Oh, shit. And they're passing around bongs and pipes and cookies and cakes. And they had security there to make sure no one would come. And they had it all blocked off. They did a smart job, the way they handled it,

but as far as actually judging what's the best pot, get the fuck out of here. No one has any idea. It's like giving you seven glasses of whiskey and then telling you to drink some wine. What wine do you like, Shane? You're like...

That's generally how it is. Yeah, exactly. That's how most of our podcasts are. I judged it, and I don't remember what I judged. I don't remember what the pot was like. I was a poor judge, and everybody else is a poor judge, too, but I'm being honest about it. It's a joke. There you go. If you wanted to judge cannabis, if you wanted to

have a real cannabis cup, you would give someone a strain for a week, and then give them another strain for a week yeah and then give them another strain for a week and have make them keep a journal and then make them send in that journal like this is my experience on this this is how much i smoked this is what it felt like body high you know head high or if it's too fucking strong some of that shit is like acid you like that that's my stuff yeah it's getting to a strange place now for for sure. Because what's interesting to me is when people who don't smoke it, smoke it. Then I get to see.

Because our tolerance is so high. Because we smoke it. I smoke it almost every day. At least five days a week, I probably smoke weed. So when I see people that try it for the first time, and you see that terrified look in their eye. They're confronted with their own mortality. And they feel the earth spinning. And they're like, Jesus. I've got a question for you mr smoker okay because

my problem is i'm an ex-smoker not an ex-weed smoker i'm a current weed smoker i'm an ex-smoker smoker right and so smoking always makes me want to smoke cigarettes a b so i do like you know they have all the different uh things now the one the one i this high CBD sort of, but it gets high still, the honey. Oh, yeah. And it's fucking awesome. Whatever you need, I can get. Okay. But the thing is, I got a question because I was thinking about this the other day.

Because I'm like reading all about how it stops cancer and this is great for this and great for that and all this other stuff. because I'm reading all about how it stops cancer and this is great for this and great for that and all this other stuff. So I'm like, fuck, yeah. But isn't smoking it still bad for you? No, apparently not. Who's saying that, though? Scientists. It actually acts as an expectorant on your lungs.

It's actually good for people that have emphysema. It's actually good for people that have issues with their lungs, which is really strange. Asthma, really good for asthma. If you're smoking weed. Yeah, crazy. Doesn't seem to make sense. Much better, though, because smoking is still kind of harsh, but the effect of the cannabis smoke. Cannabis smoke is not toxic the same way cigarette smoke is.

And one of the reasons why cigarette smoke is toxic is not just the tobacco, which is toxic. 599 fucking chemicals or whatever the hell it is now. Marijuana users have good lungs for transplanting. So if you get high, walk off a building. Whoops, man. Yeah, your lungs are good. But you don't have to smoke it. Here's what I'm down with.

These fucking things that I got charging right here. These vape pens. Some of them suck. Because some of them, the ones that look like an e-cigarette, those suck. They don't have enough juice. They're not powerful enough. You want one that has a really good pull.

There we go. That's got some... Because these... These get you high. Right. Like getting high, getting high. Right. Whereas the other ones, you got to keep hitting them over and over and over and over again

to get high. Right. These motherfuckers get hot because that battery's fat. See how fat that battery is? Yeah. It's much fatter. The other ones, when you get the ones that are skinny like this, the other problem with the ones that are skinny is you get a lot of duds.

Right. Like, they're making a lot of them in China. Sorry, China. But a lot of them suck, man. Like, my friend Gino, who sells me everything, he gave me three, no, four pens, and three of them were duds. Really? Three out of fucking four were duds.

They just didn't work. If it was all legal, then... Exactly. Quality control. Quality control. Yeah. Well, they were packaged. If it was all legal, then quality control. Yeah. Well, they were packaged. See, the whole deal is that they're packaged already and when you're getting these ones that are pre-packaged, you throw them away

when they're done. It's very wasteful. So this, you just get this little cartridge, you slide the cartridge into this big fat battery thing and blam! Off to the races! Want some? No. Scared? Oh, yeah. Don't be scared.

I'm being a good boy. It's a good time, man. It's a good time for that. And it's a good time for people to do, well, the problem is the research is still, federal research is still impossible. You know, doing real, real hardcore research on, you know, large scale research nationwide. And we should be going, anything that shows some promise re-cancer, we should be going whole hog after,

and the fact that we're not is just ridiculous. I'm worried that he has such, Trump has such incredible connections to money, and that, you know, all the good parts that's going to come from that, like his no-nonsense approach to infrastructure, wanting to rebuild a lot of things, put a lot of people to work because of that,

and a lot of people benefit from that. What scares me is that money connection with the pharmaceutical companies who have just gone way, way out of their way to just try to stifle marijuana research at every possible turn and legalization at every possible turn. And it's just criminal. What they do is awful. Because when you make something illegal, it's not just making something illegal, which is why I had to drill this into the head of a friend of mine who is pro-Hillary.

And he's asking me why I'm upset with her. And I said, look, dude, there's a fucking email that was leaked, the WikiLeaks email that said she's against marijuana in every sense of the word. She was making a promise to some organization. I don't remember who it was, but they were asking her, what is her stance on marijuana? She's against it in every sense of the word. How could you be?

That's like saying I'm against peanut butter in every sense of the word. You know, like, what are you, a monster? You want people to go to jail for peanut butter? You know, like the problem is it's not just that you don't like it which i'm fine with the problem is you could make people get locked in a cage that's a crime it's a crime we know this is innocuous like i just hit it we're having a conversation there's no problems this is not some devil weed it's not going to ruin lives i pay taxes i have a family everything's fine wake up when the alarm goes off. We've been fed

bullshit. And when someone who's in the position of running for president, like Hillary, says something crazy like that, she's against marijuana legalization in every sense of the word. That means people are going to go to jail. That means people are going to get shot. That means more Mexican drug

gangs are going to ship more illegal product over here. No research is being done. No research is being done. People are going to die from cancer that don't have to die. People are going to get diseases they don't have to get. But this is my problem. Because, again, it's what side of history do you want to be on.

And I think that most people who grew up the way we did or sane people are just saying, what the fuck. Exactly. What the fuck are you talking about? Exactly. Come on. Or sane people are just saying, what the fuck? Exactly. What the fuck are you talking about?

Exactly. Come on. And as you said, there's five different positive aspects for it. And by the way, we all know where it's going. Yeah. So why? If it doesn't go in that direction, we're going to have a fucking revolution. And they need to understand that what you saw with that women's march the day after Trump was inaugurated, when you see millions of people, there was a million people in L.A.

They expected 80,000. 970,000 fucking people showed up. Whitney Cummings sent me some pictures when she was there. I was like, holy shit. This is crazy. That kind of movement is not just connected to women's rights. And it certainly is that that day. But it's a mindset. It's a mindset of protesting and fighting what they

think is wrong and it's going to spread across the board so we're in a weird fucking bipolar situation in this country a bipolar situation we're a bipolar country in a lot of ways you know there's a lot of you fucking liberal cry babies a bunch of lip tarts this is this is the whole thing is that you have you know i, I did a special on dysfunction. That's a picture from Whitney Cummings' Instagram. Jesus, that's a lot of people. Well, actually, it's good because, you know, I think Americans had forgotten how to sort of protest. Americans had forgotten that this is part of democracy and all this stuff.

We've been sort of, you know, talk radioing our anger, you know, in quiet. And, you know, I think it's good to go out and protest if you believe in it, A. B, if you, you know, sort of look at, you know, what's happening politically. You know, I did a thing on the House Divided. And what's interesting is if you ever do anything on Israel, then the Palestinian, pro-Palestinian people go after you. If you ever do anything on Palestine, then, you know,Palestinian people go after you. If you ever do it on Palestine, the Israeli people go after you. Like you can never do anything right. It's the same thing when you do sort of politics here.

And we thought we were incredibly even handed. We gave Republicans the same amount of time as the Democrats. And the Democrats were like, well, you made the Republicans look too good. But the thing is, is when you look at it, you say, you know, it's so broken that they, it used to be just like, you know, pendulum swings, pendulum swings. But now what's going to happen is that Trump gets in, he's going to undo a lot of the last eight years. Then the Dems, when it swings to them, will undo what he undid. So it's not doing nothing. Now it's going backwards.

And so you're sitting there saying there's a lot of shit that we got to solve, and we can't solve it if we just keep going backwards politically. And I think that's why there's so much frustration, is because you're sitting there going, let's unwind what they did for the past eight years, and then someone else will get in and unwind what we unwound. We have a real problem as human beings in getting into that team mentality. There's so many of us on the left

that have so many, we agree with so many things that the right stands for. And there's so many on the right that agree with so many on the left. I mean, I'm more left than I am right, but I'm pretty fucking right. I'm right on a lot of shit, like gun control. You're a centrist, which is hopefully what most people should be, that they can see the logic in both sides.

Yeah. The problem is when you get too far to the left or too far to the right, it's crazy. And what's worrisome, you have no farther to look than France. Uh-huh. than France. France elect a socialist, you know, PM, and then all of a sudden the Front National, who were a joke, become the leaders in the next election. Front National are like, you know, super right-wing. And so you sit there and say, okay, well, everyone's moving far and far. It's best when we're all just fucking working together. The economy's doing well.

We're all getting it done. And so, you know, we're sitting in the sort of logical middle. That's the problem with going too far to any side. And that's like you can be on either side on issues and all this stuff. But if you go too far and you're too sort of dogmatic on either side, that's when it gets scary. Yeah. And it gets scary quick. Yeah. It gets scary real quick as soon as one incident happens.

And it gets scary in France. Imagine scary in this country where you have more guns than you have human beings. That's it. And that's what people, well, that's the gun problem. It's not a gun problem. It's a human being problem. And if we address it as a gun problem, you're going to make that human being problem even worse. Because you're going to take people's guns and you're going to make them more angry or you, any kind of legislation that fights against their rights

and that they think are there by the founding fathers, you're going to have a giant problem. And when people think that you could just pull it away from them, we're just going to take away the guns. Fuck it. There's nothing they can do. Jesus Christ. There is definitely something they can do. And you got to be really fucking careful starting that war. It goes back to messaging. And you're saying, like a lot of people are saying, no, the science is out because they spend billions of dollars to do that. The thing is, is when you are playing such far right, far left partisan politics, then you have people saying, oh, Obamacare. He's a socialist.

He's trying to take over the government. He's trying to do this. He's trying to do that. And sort of blowing it up. Why? Because that creates the Tea Party, which, you know, comes in and then they have power. And then the Tea Party, by the way, has to go back to their constituents and say, we're going to repeal it. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And it just becomes everything goes to the atomic level. Yeah. And so that when you actually go into into, you know, into Congress or into the executive or into the Senate and you try to get anything done, you can't. Because you promised that you're not going to do anything,

you're not going to have any sort of bipartisan relations. Relations. Bipartisan relations. Bipartisan relations. Yeah, it's fucked up, man. And it's stupid. And it exists because we have two parties. When you make two people, we make one of them wear red and you make one of them wear blue. They start wanting to fight each other

It's a stupid thing. You're also always disagree. You're also it doesn't matter if you're in or out You're always in power because there's only two right so you're always gonna be the sort of opposition Yeah And that influence the problem is like this is what people have to realize a lot lot of your opinions, and my opinions too, are not really my opinions. They're opinions that I've decided are good, that I've heard from other people. Right. And a lot of our patterns of behaviors, from accents to the way we approach culture, the way we think about women, the way we think about religion, a lot of that is learned. Okay?

And we have these two deeply ingrained patterns in this country. We have the Democrats and we have the Republicans and the Republicans are these no nonsense, get business done, you know, and the Democrats are, you know, we always think of all these people are all cry babies and they're all wishy-washy and they're bleeding hearts. And, and that this is like ingrained, it's sort of ingrained in our system these two different patterns of behavior and they're severely problematic because you could exhibit a lot of traits on each sides and still be a very good person or a lot of ideas on each side and still be a very good person if you look at i remember when you know looking at sort of the clinton

administration he took the largest deficit in history, made it the largest surplus in history, shrunk government. Basically, the tenants of the Republican Party. W gets in, takes the largest surplus into the largest deficit, expands the government, et cetera, et cetera. But nobody said boo. You're like, hold on a second. We just switched these things over here. Well, no one wants to criticize their side.'s like it's like sports teams yes exactly you pick your sports team when you're six you pick your your political party because your parents do generally yeah and

and and where you are and then that's it i don't give a shit what they say coming out as a democrat to your dad in a lot of places is like coming out gay. I bet it's probably one of the same things. You're a fucking Democrat. Because they're ashamed. You're a fucking Democrat. You're going to vote for Bernie Sanders. You know what he wants to do with this family? Bernie Sanders wants to give all your money to Black Lives Matter. You cool with that, son? We actually did a show

as part of our news thing of we had people going back for Thanksgiving and it was the parents who voted for Trump versus the parents who voted for Trump versus the kids who voted for either Hillary or didn't vote or whatever. And they were just fighting and crying and freaking out and all this stuff.

Why did we get to this level of dysfunction? I mean, yeah. It's a problem when you have two sides. It's very difficult for two sports teams to meet in say if they meet in neutral territory like Vegas and the fans get along they're not gonna get along right It's people are fools. We have tribal instincts We have instincts built into the when we were small bands of 50 people that could barely stay alive And we were often wiped out often so your genealogy your family line all your history everyone

You love could be easily dead and so that was my question because it seems to me what I'm getting the feeling now, like humanity when they have a big thing, like a war or something, it's just like we're all getting together and we're all going to fucking do this together and we're going to science and we're going to work hard and we're going to do all this and we're like, oh, fuck. And then when this has been the largest or longest period of peace and prosperity, the world's ever known. Yeah.

Right now, we see things in Syria. I'm talking about sort of, these are sort of isolated conflicts. Right. But I mean, overall, globally. And what do we do? We're sort of eating ourselves. Yeah. You know, we're looking inwards and just saying, oh, fuck, I hate that guy. I hate that guy.

Well, even in their parties, they eat themselves. Yeah. That you'd pick teams inside your teams. Sure. Like, do you see what's going on? The Tea Party ousted Boehner. Black Lives Matter is now mad at the women, the women that put on that women's march,

and the transgender community is mad at the women who wore the pussy hats, because they're saying that being a woman does not just mean you have a pussy. Yeah, but Tea Party came in and ousted Cantor and Boehner because they had the, you know, sort of audacity to even go meet with, you know, the president or the Democrats. Yeah.

I mean, people are just like, well, that's your fucking job is to go there and make shit happen. You don't talk to the fucking enemy. Yeah. Anyway, we can go on for an hour. But I think, you you know both you and i are sort of coming to the same point that you can put any name you want on it what you're what you're coming to is a sort of dysfunctional relationship yeah that's that's not going to end anytime what

i'm hoping and this is totally possible that generation y like you're talking about generation x all these people that are growing up right now and just sort of waking up as adults. Like realizing like half those people that are wandering through the streets when you look at the Women's March, half those people are, you know, in their 20s. They're young folks that are just kind of realizing like, hey, I'm a fucking adult. I can go out and organize. I can get something done. I am really hoping that this message will get out that it is high time we abandon this fucking goofy system

and that we demand a better system for running 350 million people and one figurehead and all of his cronies that he stuffs into some office and has massive influence over all of us i think it's a giant problem it's a giant problem and to keep those people rotating back and forth from left to the right it's not doing anybody any good but i think what's ironic about that is i think you'd have a lot of people agree with you on both sides yeah i think we need like a council of elders like we've been talking about this lately a lot like having a council of really fucking smart people right you know who would you have on though who would you have on if you had to cancel if you had a council of eight people who would you put on eight people? Who would you have on if you had a council? If you had a council of eight people, who would you put on eight people?

You don't want seven because it's probably like satanic or some shit, right? Some lucky weird number. I mean, you'd need a good doctor just for health stuff. I like Siddhartha Mukherjee who wrote The Emperor of All Maladies. How about Sanjay Gupta? I like that guy. I used to hate him, and then I liked him. I like Siddhartha.

I think he's a real genius when it comes to stuff like that. I think you need a good tech person because I think tech is... Elon Musk. He's in. Elon Musk. I'm a big fan of Elon Musk. I'm a big fan of Elon as well. You know, what he can do on his own yeah it's just fucking amazing

he's tired of the traffic in la so he's digging a giant tunnel yeah i love elon musk i love elon musk i love elon musk i like the fact that like batteries you know yeah the thing about solar didn't work because his fucking storage didn't work so he's like fuck it i'm gonna make him and he took the tesla made the battery thing into a power what else the best battery in the world you know what else i like about him he married an actress twice with no prenup he married the same actress twice you know what that means that means he drinks and he fucks he drinks and he fucks because that's the only way you make those goddamn decisions you marry that same actress twice with no prelump if he did that he's an animal he's out he's a savage he's in he's like i love you i don't give a fuck about a prenup oh he came inside of her they fucking high-fived

that's my kind of guy and he's making batteries yeah make him fucking good batteries he's making good he's making charging stations everywhere we gotta put him in okay so we got elon musk we got sanjay Gupta. We got your guy. Siddhartha Mukherjee. But you need a good common sense. Do we have Al Gore? Al Gore, you know,

there's a little bit of criticism because of that movie. A lot of people think it's important. I'm an environmentalist, but I think he's too far over there. I think you need to sort of if it was me you want someone you know who i like i like i like there's a guy named um eric schmidt and he's the chief or one of the head nasa scientists and these guys are just super smart dudes right men and women actually

because the head scientist the chief scientist at nasa i i met as well she's fantastic as well but you just need like a common sense person who just goes in there with no rhetoric or no politics or anything just saying look we have to reduce emissions by 80 percent if we don't we all die so here's what we're going to do we're going to get a lot of batteries and we're going to put the things on because the batteries can finally do it now. And this is what we're going to do. Yeah. You need someone to do that because when it gets hyper politicized and stuff and everything gets fucking lost in the bullshit,

you just need a common sensical person who just says, this is what needs to happen. Yeah. Because this is what the fucking science says. Yeah. It's, it's the log jams that you must have like at a big corporation. Say if you worked for Under Armour, like the log jams you must have if you want to get something done. They're probably monumental. It's probably a million people.

You're trying to talk about this. And you have to have design meetings and sit down and try new fabric. Oh, this fucking sucks. Let me try this. I was saying that. Just imagine that. In politics. Yes.

Imagine running the country and trillions of dollars involved. All these people. Did you watch House of Cards? Yeah. Me too. I love it. I wish it was like that. Well, maybe it is. was that here's this guy who's basically a political mechanic, who's sitting there and everybody wants something. Everybody is trying to get this. And basically, it's completely fucked, and you can't get anything done. And the only thing that came across there was he got everything done by lying to everybody, by just saying, I'm going to give you what you want, and I'm going to give you what you want, and I'm going to give you what you want, and then just sort of figuring it out at the end. And it was, I was just watching it.

It was fantastic because you're like, that's probably the last era when you could actually get shit done. And he was, he was like, I mean, who knows because it was a movie. Right. But, you know, he was, he was just sort of, you know, he was like the last of the, you know, because I look at Frank Underwood, and I always call him like he was a political mechanic. He was the guy who could go get the votes, and he could drum up the votes, and he could do it. You know, he reminds me actually. We're talking about the lead figure, Kevin Spacey. Kevin Spacey, yeah.

In House of Cards. But he kind of, without the sort of psychopath, you know, sociopath thing, he reminds me of Speaker Boehner. Because Speaker Boehner was that kind of guy. How many votes do we need? How do we get it in? What do we trade off? They get an aircraft carrier plant in Pittsburgh or whatever. We get this thing. But it doesn't happen anymore. Those kind of

guys don't happen anymore. But why not? I don't fucking know. Well, is that preferable to what we've got now? Well, because shit would actually get done. I don't think shit gets done now. In fact, they go backwards. So to go back to the Council of Elders, something needs to happen where there's some sort of change because it's not going to fix itself.

Right. No one's going to fucking fix it. In fact, in Washington now, they're saying the biggest thing is the Supreme Court nomination because everything's so fucked and everybody realizes it that everything will have to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided there. Because it will not be decided in the Senate, in Congress, or an executive. That's how fucked it is. We're going, that's what's really important because we have to sue each other on everything we want to do. Okay. I got another member of our council of elders, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Yeah. Must be in there. Must be. He elders. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yeah. Must be in there. Must be. He has to be in there. Smart guy. Yeah. Who else? There's a guy that I would take to, if you're looking at that kind of thing, this guy, Taylor

Wilson. I did a thing. He built a fusion reactor in his garage when he was 14. Oh, yeah. I heard that story. And so- They found him, story. And so I interviewed him. Yeah, I interviewed him. How did they find the reactor?

Like there was some sort of a reading they were getting. No, he was taking energy off the grid in massive amounts. Right, that's what it was, right? Yeah, and then the government sort of took him, and now he's got his own lab, and so he's a fantastic guy. But that's how they found him, right? Like there was some crazy power drain or something? I mean, I shouldn't talk because I don't know the actual story.

But I remember they were like, well. I mean, they know because he was getting the materials and all this stuff. Taylor's nuke site. There you go. This kid's out of his mind. But he was actually, you know what? When he was 14, he was plotting uranium mines. He figured out if you put like a white bottle with a thing in it that says you could plot, and

he would go get uranium, refine their uranium on his own into yellow cake, and then make this fusion reactor. What kind of cancer does he have? That's what I said. He can't have it in mind. But he's got all the sort of gear on when he does it. Is that all you need? Is it a bunch of gear? He's an expert. mind. But he's got all the sort of gear on when he does that. Is that all you need? Is it a bunch of gear?

He's an expert. But anyway. He's 14. But the whole thing with him now, well, now he's 23. But the thing is, is he's into dark matter, dark energy. And he's going around the Hydron Collider and CERN. And I'm just like, this kid. I don't know if we talked about this.

There he is. Yeah. Look at him. So he came up with. That looks like a girl. Is that him? that's yeah the same when he was young though the reason why i like him so much is he came up with a fail-safe reactor little tiny one and he's like with all the sort of the the the old um power plants no yeah they're they're spent waste and the weapons that we have to store which we can't store for more than 100 years,

but they need to be stored for 10,000 years. He can take little pea-sized bits of that, put it into a fail-safe reactor that sort of drains into a salt thing, whatever, and it can't be whatever. It's fail-safe. But they're small, but they do like 50,000 houses or 100,000 houses. and but they it's they're small but they do like 50 000 houses or 100 000 houses and just by using the fuel that we already have that we can't store we can power the world for the next 10 000 years oh jesus christ so when i hear this and this is his thing and by the way he's being backed by elon and all the big names and whatever but the thing is is i'm like i want that kid on my side

oh yeah for sure i want that kid to sit there and say, how about we don't, like, Eric Schmidt's going to say, not Eric Schmidt. What's his name? Shit, Eric Schmidt is a good one. Anyway, somebody Schmidt from NASA. Dr. Schmidt is going to say, hey, we need to reduce emissions by 80% or we're all going to die. And then Taylor goes, got it. you know emissions by 80 percent are all going to die and then taylor goes got it yeah you know we do these these uh these little reactors and we and we eat up all the old warheads and we're done yeah they can turn them into batteries that last for pull that up they turn them into batteries

made out of diamonds that last for thousands of years and so you just that that's that's you just want somebody to say got it here's it's over roll is. Yeah, it's over. We roll it out, boom. Well, it's always made sense to me that if we were putting carbon out in the atmosphere, and carbon's valuable for construction and a lot of different things, there's got to be a way to- Biofuels. Yeah. So if you want to do biofuels, it's all carbon. You need CO2 to inject into the biofuels, and you're like, refine the carbon out of the goddamn atmosphere. So when they make biodiesel with corn and shit like that?

There's the one that you use algae. Look at that. Algae, yeah. Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries. There you go. Jesus Christ. See if you can pull up Taylor's reactor thing. It's fascinating.

That would kind of solve all of our problems. Exactly. I mean, it really would. Exactly. I mean, as soon as we no longer have any emissions. It's like his reactor that uses the spent... He did a TED Talk on it. Anyway, so we need him because whenever I'm around him, I feel better about humanity because

I'm like, this is so devastating and I don't know how to fix it. He goes, well, the science is there. You can do it tomorrow. You're just going to... And you're like, oh, how do we get that done? We've got to keep that 23-year-old kid away from pussy. That's what we've got to do.

We've got to keep him productive. Because some girl that wrecked Elon Musk, that same type of gal, she should get a hold of. Elon's doing well. Elon's strong. We don't know about this boy. We don't know about his resolve. He's good. We lose some good ones. We lost Nikola Tesla He's good. You don't know about his resolve. He's good. Some of them, we lose some good ones.

We lost Nikola Tesla to a pigeon. You need like a philosopher king, kind of like big picture. Sam Harris. Globalist, globalist. I want Sam Harris on the board. All right. Sam Harris. He must be.

Council of elders. A lot of people right now on Reddit. Boo. On Twitter. Boo. It's interesting. Who is someone that's just got a big picture, understands everything,

is going to sort of smooth out everything? It's really hard to find people like that. It's really hard to find people that, it's really hard to find people that are open to the facts, that are willing to change their mind, aren't attached to their ideas, and willing to look at every side of things

before they form an opinion. Most people don't have the time to do that. That part of the issue part of the issue i think when anyone who's talking about anything related to the environment or politics or gender or race or anything is there's only so much fucking time in the world so it's so much easier to form this prejudiced opinion or this predetermined opinion on everything across the board which is why like being on the right is so popular it's so easy to dismiss everybody as a bunch of babies and shit on them you know and it's much easier to shit on things than to say here's a solution much that's why i like taylor i'm like this fucking kid like he can just he's just like not only is the science there we can do

this this this and this and i'm like well why don't we do that and he goes politics money this that you know whatever iran musk could have a baby drill start drilling have a fucking tube it's interesting though it's interesting that we cannot think between the two of us of someone who could just be you know and and and and and and believable. And people would just go, okay, I get it. Someone who's really wise. They don't necessarily have to be the smartest person in the world. And also just like they can convey, you know, this is what we're doing.

This is why we're doing it. Because you need a communicator. Yeah. Because, you know, Taylor and Elon are not going to be communicating, you know, the batteries and the physics behind, little P's in the thing. I mean, you need someone to say, this is what we're doing. This is why we're doing it. This is why everybody in the world. Who is the best, most believable politician in the last 50 years?

Who is going to be that person? Jimmy Carter? Globally, globally. It's funny about Jimmy Carter because I've never met anyone as sort of quick. You know, he's like, I don't know how old he is, 94 now or something. He's so fast. And he's got the stats. He's got Twitter.

And he looks and he sounds like the perfect president. He was destroyed when he was in power. He was just vilified. So you're like, he was a great, smart guy. He should have been like a secretary general of the UN or something. I don't know about a president. He was, as his character, like how he presents himself, he was not like a firm leader character. You know, he was a kind gentleman from Georgia, a peanut faller. And smart, just a genuinely smart dude with a good, like, moral center.

Genuinely smart dude with a good moral center. He was worked, and he was worked towards the end by the Reagan administration when they were coming in, the Reagan campaign, because they were the first campaign to ever use the right connection to Christianity. This is the first time they had organized the hardcore religious base. Even though he was a pastor yeah I know it's kind of crazy. Yeah, it's kind of crazy I really and the Republicans connected themselves to these crazy like televangelists Yeah, exactly you got elected because he could he could get out the evangelical base

So they worked him there they worked him there and Ronald worked him there. And Ronald Reagan was a fucking actor. He was a much better public speaker. He was much stronger. He had slick back hair like a goddamn comic book from the 50s. I mean, he looked the role. Yeah, because he was, like, the president in many cases is the Queen of England. It's a ceremonial thing. And that's why I'm saying you need a communicator who can sort of get things across.

But nobody really believed Carter. And half the country didn't believe Reagan. Or they believed him after he was gone. Because everyone's like, no. Well, it's convenient to love Reagan now. But I remember, and you remember, when we were kids. That's what punk rock started in America. It was because Reagan got in and we all went fucking New York hardcore and all that shit.

But it's a shame that we cannot think. It doesn't have to be America. What about in the world? Isn't there somebody in the world, in the fucking world? Hard-pressed. Hard-pressed to find a prominent public figure that really stands out like that. That's pretty interesting. Deepak Chopra.

No, no, no. I'm just kidding. Okay. Yeah, man. Oh, the other thing that Carter got fucked on was the hostages. They had negotiated the release of the hostages to make sure that it was done once Reagan was in office and not before that. Yeah. And they had kept those fucking American citizens over there.

Yeah. I mean, this is a proven conspiracy. They kept those American citizens over there longer than they had to be because they wanted to make sure that it all looked good. You had that happen, which was not good. You also had, I mean, there's also an economic timing issue and you had this oil crisis and you had a recession. You have all these bad things happening and you're like, well, that's Carter's fault.

And it was also when they ruined American cars. There you go. They all turned to shit. American cars in the 1960s up until the early 70s were fucking awesome. Yeah, they were the best. They were the coolest looking cars. And to this day, they're like the biggest collector cars, like Barracudas and Corvettes and all those old cars. As soon as that gas crisis hit, man, those cars turned to shit.

Well, also, same thing. Every time there's a gas crisis. So that's when the Japanese cars became popular. That's when they became popular. It's the, same thing. Every time there's a gas crisis, so that's when the Japanese cars became popular. That's when they became popular. It's the exact same thing. You know, the SUVs were the highest sellers before the last oil crisis or when it went through the roof. And then that's when the Prius, they couldn't make them fast enough. It was exactly the same thing that happened in the late 70s.

So I think, anyway. But the Prius is a far better car than the 1980s Mustang. That's like taking, they took one of the best cars ever. Like from Steve McQueen, Bullet. Remember that movie? Fuck yeah. That was a 68, I think it was a 68 Mustang. God damn, it was a gorgeous piece of metal.

And they turned that into these 1980s things. You're like, what in the fuck happened? What did you do? I look at a lot of stuff and say, what the fuck was going on? What the fuck? Like the late 70s Mustang. Find like a, that's the shit. Come on, man.

That's the bullet Mustang. Oh, I thought that was a Mach 1. That's the Steve McQueen 68 Fastback. I like the Mach 1. I like them all. I love them. There's something about American muscle cars from the 60s and the early 70s. Oh, the Bullitt Mustang.

Yeah, that's it. Fucking Steve McQueen, baby. Look at that goddamn car. He was a cool motherfucker. Woo! So you go from that. Now type up 1980 Mustang. Be prepared to throw up.

I'll do, yeah. Get ready to puke. Here we go. Oh, my God. What in the fuck is that hunk of shit? and be prepared to throw up. I'll do, yeah. Get ready to puke. Here we go. Boom. Blah. Oh, my God. What in the fuck is that hunk of shit? It's like a K car.

How the fuck? How the fuck? Nobody wants that car. That car is worth three cents. Nobody wants that fucking car. I think, actually, like, you know, people who like Logan's Run and all that stuff, like those old 70s futurists, they would like it.

No, even them. Even those dummies. They just made some terrible fucking cars in the late 70s and put that away. You're making me throw up. There you go. Something happened. It's interesting.

So on our Council of Elders, we don't have one politician. Okay, so. No, we can't have one of those. So we got some good doctors. We got some good scientists. We got a tech guy. We got some visionaries. We probably need more than one tech guy.

Who else do we need? Probably going to need some tech guy to balance out Elon. Elon might get a little wacky. Start sending people to Mars and shit. Now, here's the other thing is the Council of Elders for the world or for the country. Because then you also need some military dudes to say we can't. The one thing that is sort of whatever, truism, is that you have to preach that sort of there is no democracy without safety right right it's true and and you have to have guaranteed sort of protection and if you look

at europe it's quite interesting because when they when they sort of said okay we've got a you know we're going to protect this area and we're going to there's an economic benefit for this area you had all the little groups start to say like sc Scotland or the Basque countries or Catalonia or, you know, all these different say, well, we want to split off. Right. Because it's more democratic to have smaller sort of runnable countries that and they're like, well, we want to have our own thing because we'll be part of this bigger thing. But we want to be more democratic. And I think that's quite interesting because you have these supranational political entities that sort of guarantee safety and economic security. And then therefore, it's much more democratic. So you sort of sit there and say, OK, well, if that's the case, then you have to have that guaranteed security. So how do you do that? and this is going to take several generations, end all nations.

Treat each other now, because we are so big and we are so connected, treat each other now as one organism, one gigantic super organism, the human race. End all this country bullshit. Let people travel back. Well, it's insanely,

almost impossible to do. I'm saying it and I know it. Unless there's a, see, what I was going to go back to is we're great at war. Like when there's a war, oh, fuck, we've got to go get them. What if, or let's say...

So I view it like this, but let's say there's a fucking asteroid coming towards us. We're going to put all over the global... Like a movie. We're going to put everybody, the smartest guys, the Russian guys, and the Chinese guys, and us,

and everybody's going to go up and do do this thing so if that's the case and i always say humans aren't gonna move unless we have a gun to our head but at some point what happens is let's say greenland a big chunk about four feet miami goes away and everybody goes oh shit now we got to do something at that point everybody goes okay you know because if if miami goes away shanghai goes away so shanghai goes away mumbai goes away and so if you're sitting there you go okay everybody's going to get together and say shit the oceans rise and we got to do something we got to do something right now but there's always going to be people that are ignoring that and profiting somebody else going to take care of it let's start drilling

and they're going to do that they're going to do that. They're going to do that short term. Don't you think, though, that if Mumbai goes away, Miami goes away, New York goes away, whatever, all the big sea, next to the sea cities go away. Now, this is interesting because when we were shooting this doc on Sea Level Rise, one of the things that's damning to oil companies is they're like wow we didn't know science is not decided we didn't fucking know while this was happening they raised spending hundreds of millions of dollars more billions of dollars they raised all their oil platforms by eight feet oh why because they didn't want them getting sunk. Because the outside prediction, so they have to last 80 years for insurance, you know, for the life of the things.

So the outside prediction for 100 years was eight feet. That's four feet. It's three feet to four feet. And then the outside is eight feet. So they're like, okay, we'll just do eight feet. So they know. So they know. If you don't raise something and pay hundreds of millions of dollars to raise it eight feet,

why eight feet? Why not four feet? Why not three feet? Why not 12 feet? In any case, so the thing is, is you sit there and say, okay, eight feet. At four feet, Miami's gone. New York's gone. At eight feet, we're all sitting there going, okay.

It probably gets to Topanga Canyon. We're up here. Fucking eight okay. It probably gets to Topanga Canyon. We're up here. Fucking eight feet. It probably gets close. So at that point, humanity goes, holy shit, we need Taylor and we need Elon. And so that's an interesting point. I think that ultimately what is going to happen, and it may take 100 years, it may take 500 years. I think ultimately we're going to reach a technologically driven state of evolution

that bypasses our biological evolution so i've got an answer to that i agree half the world will do that maybe and the other half the world goes the opposite way maybe that's what's happening now but it's not happening now with cell phones. Cell phones have gone all over the world. Right. And if we can achieve a technology that allows people to understand each other in a way that's way deeper and more intimate than just getting to know somebody. They talk to you. You talk to me. You know, like, you and I have been friends for a long time now. And every time I see you you I give you a big hug

I know I see Shane. I'm gonna give him a hug. I associate you with my friend. It's happiness We have a lot of great talks we get drunk together and that's all built in but it takes a while to establish that right It takes a while to make a bond between two people who enjoy each other's company I think we could all this whole world could be a bunch of friends. It sounds crazy, but it can be done. It can be done in small groups. It can be done in this room. It can be done in this town. I think it can be done if we're facing extinction. I don't think it can be done otherwise. Cause I, what I see happening to go back to, if we don't have war, like global war, we have, we have this eating ourselves thing thing and if you look at the world you

have half the world roughly saying technology can fix us we're gonna go to mars we're gonna have little pellets of things which are gonna feed 50 houses we're gonna do this we're gonna and then you have the other half of the world that's saying fuck reading, you know, fuck technology. We're going back to, you know, another time. And not just the Muslim world. You have lots of different groups in Africa. You have lots of different groups in obviously the Middle East. You have different groups who are saying, fuck that. We're not doing that. And so they're moving away from it. So you have this sort of duopoly in the world of people who are going one way and then people who are going the other way. And I don't think that unless you have a common goal, which is, by the way, we're all going to die unless we do this, that everybody does it.

And it's like Star Trek. In Star Trek, they did this thing where everybody from the world is finally together and then we're all working together for this great thing, which is exploring space. But they needed that whole focus, that goal. and i think we need that focus and that goal which is why again to go back to war zones when you go to war zones you say oh shit we shouldn't be fucking dropping bombs on each other and then when you go and talk to scientists they go oh it's coming and it's coming fucking now yeah and that i'm not like this crazy dude or whatever i'm just a regular dude going oh shit it's because i talked to these scientists where like we just did this thing in russia

where uh i don't know if you know about this but the permafrost have you heard about the permafrost yes all the carbon in the permafrost it's released it's going to be released it's melting and so it releases uh carbon it actually releases methane, which is 20 times worse than carbon. And there's more carbon in the permafrost than all of the carbon that we've released since the Industrial Revolution started. Because it's a bunch of dead things that have died up there for millions of years. Correct. And all that's going to get warmed up. Correct.

And it's going to be a bunch of stinky, dead bodies, and animal shit. Yeah. Do you want to know two interesting things about that? Whoa. I got two interesting things about that. One is we went up to lakes in both Russia and the Arctic, and you pop a hole in the lake, and you put like a torch in front, and it shoots out like a like an

oil flare oh my god oh i've seen that because there's methane oh christ in the lake in the water and it's just shooting out like an oil flare and you're like what the fuck a b this is gonna sound crazy but it's actually fucking true in that so we go to siberia and we hang out with this dude who's been living in the permafrost. He's like the world's biggest expert on permafrost. Is he a scientist? Scientist. And there's all these slumps, like they have the biggest slump in the world. A slump?

So it's where the permafrost melts. And the permafrost is like frozen ground, like dirt and shit. It's also frozen water. And so when it melts, the water goes away and the ground which is left sort of slump and it goes down like 20 or 30 feet and so you just have these all over siberia you have these huge like two three four mile wide just like craters you know and so he's there and he's like the sort of foremost expert and what's interesting about it is is he goes, look, in the Ice Age, here's what happened. There were not that many humans, but there were millions upon millions of animals.

And there were like elk and there were, you know, caribou and all this shit. And there were woolly mammoths. You know what they did? They ate all the fucking shrubs and the trees and shit, which actually, you know, made the ground freeze much deeper because, you know, there's a lot of things like dark sort of, you know, brings in heat and it, you know, takes the insulation away, all this stuff. Because the foliage is not there anymore. Exactly. The foliage is there. So the sun beats directly down the earth.

And so, so anyways, he, no, because, no, because the trees bring in the heat and hold it in. Mm-hmm. The, the, it freezes more in the winter and then therefore stays colder. In any case. So he's like, look, here's what we have to do. We have to put millions of caribou and millions of horses and millions of elk and stuff up in Siberia. But he goes, that'll get you 60% of the way there.

The only thing that'll get us really there is the fucking woolly mammoth. Now this is not a joke. What? So ironically, they found a woolly mammoth perfectly preserved in the permafrost. Like it fell into a fucking lake and froze and never thought out. So when they, then they opened it up,

it still had red cells like living cells. So you know what they're doing? This is, we have, we shot this and I was watching this with my mouth on the ground. They're cloning the woolly mammoths. There you go. Woolly mammoth skin found well-preserved in permafrost gives new hope for cloning. Look up the trunk. Look up the trunk.

They have a trunk. They have a full. Jesus, look at it. Look it up there, though. Look at that image. But they have a full trunk. Look up it look it up there though look at that image but they have a full trunk look up the woolly mammoth trunk wow because they have this full trunk that that that they're that's no that's a horn no they have a trunk like they have a full trunk in any case they're trying to clone using tusk don't write tusk there you go oh you wrote trunk why did it pull up tusk hunters

for the first thing that's weird they're trying to anyway so they're cloning with the south koreans they're cloning uh mammoths in the hopes that they're just going to put all these clones of mammoths up there and it's going to freeze the permafrost wouldn't it just make more shit and more dead animals which makes makes more methane? I'm so confused. Well, the amount that they would make versus the amount of methane that's going to be released from the permafrost, which has been collecting this shit for fucking millions of years, is de minimis. So the idea is they're going to go up there, they're going to eat the fuck out of all the vegetation and that will cool the area down. Correct. Wow. Correct. Why don't they just make ice cubes and just dump them out of helicopters?

That seems like just as good of an idea. They're going to make fucking holy mammoths? There's another guy we need for our council is this fucking crazy Russian dude who's just up there saying, fuck it, let's get some mammoths to fix us. Wow. And that'll get you 60% of the way there,

but still 40% fucked. No, with mammoths we get 90%. Oh, so the elk and the deer will get you 60%? There it is. There you go. There's the trunk. Wow, that is so crazy. See?

Yeah, they have a good chance of successfully cloning. They have South Koreans and the Russians. And the Russians are moving very fast on this because they realize that if permafrost melts, they're screwed. So do they keep this thing in a frozen room? They do. We filmed it. We filmed them trying to clone it. Wow. Yeah. What a crazy time to be alive. melts they're screwed so do they keep this thing in a frozen room they do we filmed it we filmed them trying to clone it wow yeah what a crazy time to be alive that is so amazing because what's

amazing about that is like oh we're fucked the permafrost is gonna melt we're all doomed and then you're like but yeah we can get some fucking woolly mammoths if you're gonna get mammoths we need to make saber-toothed tigers too just for just for the fuck of it well there could be an argument there because you're like well who's gonna eat the mammoths because we actually talked to nasa and said is this guy crazy is he like don quixote like tilting that windmill and he said actually the environmental or the organic solution rather than dropping ice cubes that helicopter is the best solution because it used to be that 40 000 years ago this regulated itself. And this is when the planet was cold.

Now it's too fucking hot. So this is a way to get it back to being cold. So it actually makes sense. Wow. We need that guy. We need that dude. He's on our council. Yeah.

We need some people from other countries or they're going to get mad at us. Yeah. Because, well, maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we should just have our fucking country figure this out. Maybe it's too impossible. Maybe it's too much wheel spinning to fix the world. I think you need you need other people. We need some chicks.

Gotta get some chicks on there. Chicks are gonna get pissed. They're already marching, dude. We need chicks on our council. I agree. Who do we got? Nobody. Unfortunately. Oprah. Maybe. You know what? Oprah's good at. You know what? You just hit the nail on the head.

Because she's great at sort of. No, she's great at getting a message across. She's great at saying, hey, this is the thing, and this is why it's happening. So Taylor goes, oh, shit, you know, we've got this reactor that we can do that costs $10. And then she goes, okay, this is why we're doing it. Okay, so who else? What other chicks? Oprah's very good.

I like that as our politician. Wouldn't you get mad when you call them chicks yet? Is that still okay? When do I become a pig for calling them chicks? Yeah, it's not good. Come on. It's not good to call them chicks? No.

Why is it good to call Joe Biden a dude? He's a good dude. Isn't that all right? Yeah, he's a good dude. So why isn't it okay to call Hillary Clinton? Well, He's a good dude. Isn't that alright? Yeah, he's a good dude. So why isn't it okay to call Hillary Clinton? Well, she's a fiery chick. I think it's good when you're calling people like, you know, their buddies and their friends and stuff. What about

anyone under 30? I'm not getting into it. Can we call women under 30 chicks? I think they like it. But I think we need another international... We need an international person. Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Alright. That's good.si Ali. All right. That's good.

There you go. Yeah. Yeah. She would be amazing with foreign relations and understanding people of religious ideologies. Yeah. Okay. Good. Who else?

Now the super liberals get mad at you for that. She's an Islamophobe. Isn't that hilarious? Uh-huh. Have you read any of the criticisms of her? No. It's people that just go so far left. They've spun around and their nose is up the right's ass. They're so confused.

Well, that's the one thing. The left goes so far left that the right and the right's going so far. Everyone battles it out. It's like this Black Lives Matter going after the Women's March thing. Everybody, everybody relax. On one hand, though, I got to admit, though, I read the thing and I was like, why would they complain about people supporting this Women's March? Why would they complain about something good?

And then the other part of me went, well, imagine if you were them. Imagine if you were them. You're protesting against people getting shot and killed by cops. And you're trying to make a movement out of that. And you don't get near the kind of traction, nor near the kind of positive press. Then, the other part of me goes back to the Women's March and go, you know what's crazy about the Women's March?

Not a single fucking arrest all across the country. Yeah, it was apparently super good vibes. That's amazing. Super good vibes. Which is, that's pretty good. And cops were wearing pink hats. That's pretty good. With cat ears.

They were called pussy hats. Right. Get it? Meow. Yeah. So they have these fucking cats were wearing, or cops rather were wearing them hats with cat ears. They were called pussy hats. Get it? Meow. So they have these fucking cats were wearing, or cops, rather, were wearing them. And women were taking pictures of these cops. Because, you know, you sit there and you say, okay, look, you know, people can do this, and we can do it peacefully, and we can do it rationally.

And we're all, at the end of the day, we're all in the same boat. And we're all just people. Do you think there's enough people that aren't racist that you could pull something like that off? Do you think it's more common to be racist than it is to be sexist? I don't know. You know? I will say the universe does things for a reason, I think. And I have two amazing daughters, and it changed my life.

And it changed the way I view the world world and it changed the way I see things. And that's why I look at that, uh, March and I say, that's a great thing. And, uh, you know, it, it, it definitely, you know, it alters, you know, how you think about things for sure. It also alters how you think about the future because a lot of people are like, fuck, it's not going to fucking do anything in my life. because a lot of people are like, fuck global warming, it's not going to fucking do anything. Right. But when you have kids, all of a sudden you're like, shit, I want my kid to go swimming.

You don't. I want my kid to go outside. You don't want to leave them in a nightmare. You don't want to leave them in a nightmare. We're adults. You know, we got to pick up our own shit here. Yeah. In any case, I think it's a good idea. I think we should,

we will submit our Council of Elders idea to the world via the Internet and see if we get a billion votes, then I think everybody has to adopt it. And then we get to sort of be special advisors. I seriously think this could actually happen one day. It might not happen in our lives. You know who's a good politician that people like and would fucking follow and has good vibes? Ron Paul. Joe Biden. Maybe. You know who's a good politician that people like and would fucking follow and has good vibes? Ron Paul. Joe Biden. Oh, maybe.

You know, Joe Biden, we used to have Joe Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club back in Boston where we would plagiarize each other's material because Joe Biden got busted doing Kennedy speeches when he was running for president back in 88. Really? Yeah. Everybody's kind of forgot about that. He seems like a fairly decent dude, although a little odd. Yeah.

They're all odd. You. They're all odd. You want a little bit odd, though. But you know what? When they were vice president, you're like, ah, all he has to do is fucking smile. You know, nobody blames him for anything. The memes are amazing. I like the memes. Come on.

My favorite one. I think that made him, if the memes had come out before the election, he could have won that with a... My favorite one was Biden throwing his head back laughing. He goes, and then I said to Hillary, you did the same thing Monica did. You blew it. And then Obama says, you know she kills people, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it's that picture. It's that picture. And then they use that with a bunch of them. Oh, my God. So funny. Oh, my God. So good. Oh, God. All right. picture and then they use that with a bunch of them oh my god so fun oh my god oh good all right it's uh it's interesting but I think that what I'm saying about technology is I think we're way more connected as human beings than

we ever have been before and I think a lot of this crazy super social justice warrior progressive shit that you're seeing today where it's getting so the far far far outreaches of it are so out of hand I think all of this is possible and all of this is because of this newfound opportunity we have to communicate with each other previously so I've got I've got a question

for you okay so you look at I agree with you like we have this ability to connect all day, every day. And it's going to, my point is, it's going to get crazier. And we are connected. It's going to get more and more connected. Yes.

This is just the beginning. Yeah. Have you seen this augmented reality business? Yes. Like, you see that and you're like, oh, what we have now is, I mean, rudimentary. And that's two years out, three years out. And once people start submitting to some sort of a lens in their eye, I mean, that's going to goddamn happen.

People are already getting lenses in their eyes that repair their vision. I have friends that have lenses. I have about my friend Steve. He just got, I have two friends, Steve, that have had eye operations, but my friend Steve just got a fucking artificial lens. He had a ripped cornea and they put an artificial lens over his eye. We did a piece on it. It's fucking insane.

Yeah. I mean, he's not even like a martial artist or anything. He's just a regular guy that had an eye problem. And they're starting to do this on people, and it's going to accelerate. They're doing all sorts of crazy shit now. Well, when you see augmented reality, so I don't know if everybody knows what it is, but right now it's glasses. And once you get over the fact, which is weird weird that it's like holograms inside your eyeball yeah like they they put them in now i'm like i'm a fucking like germaphobe freak and i'm like oh

shit that's gonna give me cancer of the fucking eyeball but apparently it's not but in any case after you get over that fear you're like oh you put these things on it's this room right and you're like oh there's a tv and you're watching tv in your room okay great and and and they're like but it's only a tv because your brain is used to being a tv when you get used to it we'll just flip a button and you're on the 50 yard line you know it can be anything it can be any size you can do the art in the room you know now that's for tv watching it was developed for like a media thing. Like it could be movies or TV, but they're like,

Oh, and it could be your phone. It can be your computer. It can be everything. So everything is going to be in your glasses, a camera, everything you control it with this little thing. And it's,

so you're going to be, you know, you're all your media is there. Your phone is there, your computers are, everything's there. And it's just this connectivity. That's always there.

It's always on. It's fucking crazy. Now there's all kinds of ethical things and how's that going to change humanity all that stuff but who cares it's going to happen because the technology is there and it's fucking better than a phone now once that connectivity happens to go back to your point is there's a power in there for positivity and all this stuff. But if you look at, for example, social media, you know, one of the things that is destroying Twitter is they can't keep like the and by the way, the fake news on Facebook and all this stuff. They can't police it. It's too many people. It's too many people, too much shit.

And it's like bad people. It's this people. And everybody's got an opinion. And by the way, when you're across the table, the reason why we eat, the reason why we have feasts, the reason why we do all this shit is because when you're eating together, you form social bonds and all this shit. And you're like, oh, I'm not going to kill you because we had a beer together or whatever. But when you don't, and it's just this anonymous, I can say and do whatever the fuck I want, it just becomes crazy. And it becomes fun for people. They're Bob 55 22 a

asshole and then they decide to fuck with you yeah you know it's fun it's fun for them it's a little game yeah you know it was I was listening to this radio lab pot no it was an article I was reading that's what it was and it was about this guy who had been stalked online by his friend's son. And they were, I mean, it got to the point where this guy was just, he was doing all sorts of horrible shit and sending them horrible, evil messages. They were terrified. They were all having horrible anxiety.

And it turned out that it was his friend's son. Why? The FBI found, for fun. He didn't think about what he broke down crying when they confronted him and it was it was awful but it was like wow there's like some sort of weird perverse thing that people enjoy doing just fucking with someone as a game and that all takes place because of that lack of social interaction right the problem with that is is as those tools let's say augmented reality get get more and more powerful,

then that sort of, unless we look at that aspect of it, we're all fucked. Maybe. Maybe not, though. You know, it's going to be, you and I are going to be able to have this conversation where we're nowhere near each other, exactly the same way that we're having it right now. We're going to be able to look at each other in the eye and have like this kind of a conversation and you're going to represent you. There's going to be some sort of a video version of you that I will not be able to distinguish from you. And you'll be sitting there right now and it won't be much different other than physical contact. There's an interesting point though, which is when humans are hungry and thirsty, our immediate reaction is no. And when we're fed and when we're a bit boozed up, the

reaction is yes, which is why everyone says, let's have a business lunch or a business dinner. And also, if you look at how we socialize with the family, how we socialize with each other, if you actually look back at your history and say, oh, I'm that guy's buddy, or I'm, you know, my family, whatever. If you look back at the majority of the positive memories that you have, they're generally, you know, we got Thanksgiving with the family or Christmas with this, or we got drunk with this guy, or we had burgers late at night or whatever it is, because that's, you get these sort of endorphin, you know, rushes and oh, we're bonding. So I think once you take that out and I, it's interesting because I was talking to someone the other day. I was saying the more technology gets sophisticated, the more you kind of have to fly because to have that meeting. Like we have the technology.

I can call you. But now you have to fly and you have to have the meal and you have to. Because if you're doing a big deal with somebody and you don't do that, even though it doesn't make any sense at all, it's become a thing. Everyone's flying way more, ironically, because the technology is seen as non-effective. So is that in the world of business you're saying? No kidding. Yeah. Wow, I didn't see that coming.

But it totally makes sense. Yeah. It completely makes sense. I feel much different about people when I meet them. Yeah. Yeah. It completely makes sense. I feel much different about people when I meet them.

Yeah. You know, and not meeting them even for a while, even being in communication for a long time without meeting them, you sort of disassociate. Yeah. It doesn't feel the same. Correct. Yeah. It makes sense. Totally does.

Because that's how we interacted forever. I wonder if that same feeling will happen when you're dealing with someone in a 3D form, like a hologram that indistinguishable it's interesting yeah and it's coming rapidly yeah i mean the technology is here now it's just how quick can they make it into like a thing that everybody can buy yeah how quick can they and what would what form will it take because we're just extrapolating from what they have right now who knows what form yeah it's going be available. Google already has their contact lens thing. And nobody thought this whole thing was going to happen in the first place, this augmented reality. This wasn't something discussed 20 years ago.

It was always virtual reality. Correct. Yeah, it wasn't reality. And it might just skip. It might just go to augmented. It could go to something even crazier than that. It could go to some sort of uh some sort of a recreation of life that is is imparted into your brain yeah you know some way this is literally a hologram

that's an individualized hologram on the inside of your eye yeah it's like projecting on your eyelid yeah or on your eyeball yeah but what i'm thinking is something even crazier than that where you close your eyes and you're transported. What was that movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Total Recall style. Right. You just shot into this new place. Yeah.

That seems to me to not be far off. I see where they're going as far as their ability to send signals from brain to brain through the internet. Do you know what is being worked on and theoretically possible? What? They, so, interstellar space travel

is hard and impossible because people will die before they get to where they're supposed to be going and all this stuff. So, theoretically, what we can do is we can,

you know, have clones in other places. And you download your brain into a, like a computer. You send that brain to another computer through a laser beam traveling at the speed of light. And then it gets downloaded into the clone on the other side of the thing. Now that's obviously highly theoretical.'s gonna happen you're gonna have a whole country filled with Donald Trump like 1 billion Trump's he's just gonna fucking keep recreating himself over and over and over again right and you're gonna be people are gonna make more than one

version of themselves gonna be walls everywhere it's gonna be a real problem you come home that's 15 of you in your you know, and they all want to watch the game and scream the same things and you're competing to see who says the witty shit first. This is another interesting thing. This is another interesting thing because technology, when we go back to sanity versus insanity. So, for example, right now we have CRISPR technology where you can edit the genome, right?

Right. You can go in and edit the genome. So you can go in and say, well don't want to edit out the cancer thing you know like when you're going to have a kid and then you can say well hey they're not going to have downs or they're not going to you're like fuck yeah that sounds good but you know putting cancer and make them you know six four and you know this and that and the other thing put out take out the cancer right right and so because of that we said okay well we're not going to we're not going to do that because we're playing god and all stuff but they

have places in china already where they're where they're going to do that now if you extrapolate because they're already uh experimenting on human fetuses i feel like if they but if you extrapolate and you say okay they start doing this and everybody comes out genius plus iq and seven feet tall and super strong and whatever it's kind of an arms race yes and you're gonna say whoa gattaca be damned like we we're gonna have to compete and and that's when you don't see like oh this technology we're like when your logic is there wow we can't mess with this because it's funny because they they do things like oh They were checking on how butterflies see color and they use crisper to change like one thing

And then all of a sudden the butterfly monarch butterfly just became all white and like they're you know Things wrong corner and because like you're playing God you're like one thing makes all this other shit happen poof and so but that's happening now Yeah, that's happening today. That's happening today. They're actually doing it. And what if they do it with woolly mammoths? They say, you know what? We could whack this all the way up to 100 if we make a super mammoth.

And they start making super mammoths with three dicks. It's going to be real strange in 100 years. We're not going to be able to see. Unless science keeps us alive. Well, that's the other thing. They're saying now with advances in medicine that the kids being born today are going to live into their hundreds. Yeah, I've heard that, that they're going to live to be 150 years old. That's going to be really common.

Yeah. But the thing is, that's just saying that today. They might come up with something in five years from now that makes people go back, like reverse aging. That's entirely possible. Yes. I mean, it's just a process. It's a biological process. If you can stay alive long enough for them to figure that out, how to turn it back. And you know, that's the real playing God, turn you back, go back to when you were younger, and then you're going to have to, you're going to be a younger you dealing with a new super race that's been developed where everyone is 300 pounds of solid muscle. And super smart. Yeah.

Every Olympic wrestling match is between two enormous gorillas. There's no more lightweights. And we're all going to be fighting AI sort of, you know. War against the Terminator bots. It's going to be incredibly strange. What is that? Aging is reversible, at least in human cells and live mice. Changes to gene activity that occur with age can be turned back in new study shows.

Jesus Christ. Longevity can be turned back. I'll tell you what's going to happen. Old ladies are going to be out getting dick like crazy. That's what's going to be happening. They're going to turn 20, and then they're going to be on a rampage. They're going to just hit the clubs and fuck everybody. Well, I got to tell you, you know know this that your evolutionary clock stops at 40 like it just at 40 you you don't you don't continue on saying oh we're going to try this

and we're going to ourselves we'll keep on making new shit it just stops and if you could if you could go in and say i'm going to go to the clinic and keep my evolutionary clock ticking, what would you do it? Well, anything that made me feel better. Yeah. That's how I feel. I mean, you know, people say, well, that's really selfish and you'll stay around forever and use up all the resources. That's not up to you, bitch. And here's the other problem with that.

Like when 500 years ago, everybody died at 20. You know, nobody fucking lived to be today. Like being 49 was impossible back then. It was incredibly rare. And they were tiny, tiny people. Yeah, tiny people that didn't eat that much. So yeah, I would do it. Yeah, I would do it selfishly.

Or would I do it? I would do it just because it would be a better experience. Like if they all of a sudden gave you something and you felt your immune system worked better, your body fat was lower, you had more vitality vitality you got more things done you're more energetic and you don't have to lose any experience you don't have to lose any understanding of the world you don't lose your faculties yeah why wouldn't i do it so that's the vitamins too stupid that's the thing with technology is that is that there's gonna they're gonna try to hold it back but it's just gonna get there yeah i don't think they're gonna hold it back, but it's just going to get there.

Yeah, I don't think they're going to hold it back. I really don't. I don't think they can hold it back. Yeah. Well, I think the China factor is huge because I think if China really does start doing that with CRISPR and make these super athletes and super humans and make people that are just infinitely smarter than what we have today, that also plays into my idea of technology-induced evolution. I think symbiotically introduced, where it's like human beings interacting with technology,

but I think also that technology being applied to our biological being. All that stuff is going to happen. Did you ever read Neuromancer? Oh, God. Why did I? Why does that? It was a while ago, but basically he prophesied. Is that Lovecraft?

No, it's... Look up Neuromancer? It was a while ago, but basically he prophesied. Is that Lovecraft? No, it's, look up Neuromancer. It's a Canadian guy. But he's, there it is, William Gibson. William Gibson, there you go. 84. Oh, 84. Wow.

But basically he sort of foresaw all of this stuff happening. And by the way, it's interesting because he gets credited with a lot of the tech stuff because like a lot of people who were in college Read him and then use those ideas to invent the things that are coming out now. That's cool Yeah, that's amazing when a science fit. I wonder what drugs he took Probably good ones, huh? But if you ever read it, you're like Yeah, like he he called it all I feel like I read it, you're like, holy shit. Yeah. Like, he called it all. I feel like I read it, but I think I read it, like, right out of high school. Yeah. It's been so long.

It's a long time ago. It's one of those distant ones. But I love the fact that these people who are creative people, you know, are the ones that have come up with a lot of these ideas. Yeah. There was a thing about H.G. Wells and all the different things that H.G. Wells predicted. And that people would read it and say, actually, that's not so crazy. Well, that's how things get started.

It's just they can't do it. You know, like all the shit we're talking about now. You know, just you and I talking about potential technologies. Those thoughts, like between people like you and I that are not technologically savvy at all, those thoughts can get into the mind of someone who is, and then they can project that idea in their own way and start working on it. It's going to be a huge

revolution and then they'll say, Joe and Shane, the Council of Elders, we made it. Imagine if it all boils down civilization in the future, after the Mad Max days, it all boils down to this conversation. It's like the Wild Stallions. How's that? How's it like the Wild Stallions? I agree with you and I've been thinking about it. It's boils down to this conversation. It's like the Wild Stallions. Yes. How's that?

How's it like the Wild Stallions? I agree with you. I've been thinking about it. It's Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Oh, Jesus Christ. They saved the world. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Yeah.

Yeah. Do we have enough people? We only picked one woman. We need more women. Who else? I like Martha Stewart. I enjoy her on that Snoop Dogg show. She's cool.

I think she's a hell of a woman. And she also doesn't give a shit. Put her in coach. Yeah, she's good. She's good. She doesn't give a shit. I like people who don't give a shit. People just threw their fucking papers up in the air.

That's it. He just fucking elected Martha Stewart. This guy's an asshole. I'm not listening to this podcast anymore. I like Martha Stewart because she's been to jail. Yes. She's fucking down. I always say, like, if you've done shit and seen things, then you're a much better ruler

than somebody who's never done anything. Right. I like her. Yeah. So by that logic, who else? Who else has done shit and seen things that you like to throw in the mix? Hmm. I mean, it's hard because you're searching your databases.

There's a lot of different people out there who are sort of admirable. Again, I mean, well, there's a lot. Yeah. We would have to really sit down if someone was going to really formulate something along these lines yeah you'd have to really think it through yeah but not impossible and and a better solution than this fucking mess this presidential mess is ridiculous yeah you know and it's also i this is gonna sound fucked up but i don't think everybody should be allowed to vote i think you should have to prove in some way that you have an understanding of what you're saying in order to be able to vote the problem with that of course is who the hell gets to decide that that's the problem like but if you have someone

who's mentally deranged and they just haven't committed a crime yet And you you you read what they have to say about life and about people and they're racist and sexist But here's the problem with that right and and I agree with you But it's also it's also problematic because here's the problem that's happening. It happens all over the world, but let's say in America because Everybody's up in arms about Trump and there's protests and all this stuff and all the media is going, can you fucking believe this guy? And you only realize that that's what the rest of the country was saying every time Obama opened his mouth. And so you

sit there and say, hold on a second here. Half the country believes that, you know, people, crazy people in California, New York voted. voted and then now i in texas and oklahoma have to fucking suffer on the other half of people are saying hold on a second these people in oklahoma and texas and ohio voted and now i have to fucking you know listen all this shit and so that therein lies the rub yeah because to go back to it you say okay if now hear me out if you had your security and economic security uh like solidified was there wouldn't it be more democratic to just say okay texas is texas and california that's what it used to be anyways the united states was the state's rights and all this stuff. Because the minute it happened, California's like, fuck it.

That's just split off. We want our pot. You know what I mean? Well, it would be interesting because you were talking about with other countries, having small, more manageable groups is more democratic. It's more democratic. It's more democratic. It's not a bad idea in the current state that we exist in.

Not a bad idea to run things that way if it's dysfunctional in fact it's worse than dysfunction you're just going back to undo what they just did why wouldn't you just say fuck it California is gonna go off and do our own thing and Texas is gonna do its thing and Oklahoma's gonna do its thing and by the way if you don't like it in Oklahoma you can move to fucking California and how about less reliance much much much much less reliance on a federal government because it's not necessary. And it doesn't work.

Yeah. And it doesn't work, but state government does. It works better because it's smaller and more democratic. Yeah. I mean, it's sort of tribes. As long as we can keep from going to war with each other. But that's what you have to do. If you guarantee that economic security and you guarantee that that sort of you know political and military security then it kind of makes a ton of sense to just say well if we're

like-minded people in New York or LA we're like okay California what's the stat it's like California would be the eighth largest economy in the world six largest economy in the world that poll shows a third of Californians favor a Cal exit from the U.S. in wake of Trump's election victory. And they were just fucking shitting on Texas a few years ago for this idea. By the way, I favor it because

I live here. It's God's country, but all the tech people are here. Smart. All the food is here. Right? Right. All the money's here. It's one of the biggest economies in the world. Kim Kardashian's here. Kanye West is here. We have all of the Kardashians, in fact. And the money's here. It's one of the biggest economies in the world. Kim Kardashian's here. Kanye West is here. We have all of the Kardashians, in fact.

And you can sit here and say, it's more democratic. We can have our weed. Yes. You want to have CBD? Fuck it. Let's just do the experiments tomorrow. If Italy and France can live close to each other, why can't California and Nevada be different countries? Right?

It's basically the same thing. Fucking same thing. Fucking same thing. God damn it. We'd like to start today the California, I guess it's already started. It's already started. Yeah, we didn't even have to do it. We'll run though. Me and you will run. What do you want to do? On a ticket. What do you want to be? You want to be president of California?

I'll be vice president. You can be president. I'm not going to be fucking president. You can be president. I'll be Biden. I don't even want to be vice president. I'll have an honorary position. Hold on. No, no, no. We'll be president. I'll be Biden. I don't even want to be vice president. I'll have an honorary position. We'll be on the Council of Elders. We're going to have a Council of Elders. I think California's the only one kooky enough to actually

say, yeah, fuck it. We might make it, dude. Let me tell you something. We might win. Yeah. In this new era. In this new era? You can't be president. You're Canadian. You're American now. We have to change the laws. But if we do, you're going to have to battle Arnold.

Because Arnold is immediately going to want to run for president. California will allow it. Will Wink allow it? You can be governor of California, obviously. Arnold will. Sure, I could be governor and then switch it over. Or, yeah, when it becomes a country, then we then we say well fuck all this being born here It's stupid. You have nothing to do with where you're born doesn't have anything

Yeah, you didn't ask to be born in Canada if you did if you could take it back Would you be born here in God's country? If you could take it back if you could denounce your Canadian birth no, I'll tell you why I'll show you my first Because because I think the I think the American experience, ironically, is an immigrant experience. I am literally the American dream. You are. I came here as an immigrant.

You're more American than me. I came here as an immigrant. I killed it. I love it. I love it here. I love California. I'm like, this is fucking awesome. I say it to everybody.

Everyone shits on me. I'm like, fuck you. But look, growing up in Canada, I'm going to say it. everybody everyone shits on me i'm like fuck you and and and uh but look growing up in canada i'm gonna say it great country clean great schools nicer nice people people are really nice great so i'm look but what i believe 20 less douchebags yeah probably i think but i believe that it doesn't fucking matter where you're born like good call like you know what if you're good and you're smart and whatever, and you rise to the top, you're hardworking. You know, this was a country built by immigrants,

and then all of a sudden they're saying, well, they were the good ones, now there's bad ones. Yeah, and even better, because you were born in Canada, you can't be president, which is a shit job in the first place. Right, I don't want to be president. So it makes you the ultimate American. I don't want to be president. You're like, hey, I'd love to be president and fix this mess,

but I can't do it, guys. Can't do it. I was born the wrong piece of dirt. I don't want to be president. You're like, hey, I'd love to be president and fix this mess, but I can't do it, guys. Can't do it. I was born the wrong piece of dirt. I can't do it. I mean, you literally could fucking drive in a couple of hours from where you were into America. Yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous.

Yeah. I mean, it's no... Like, I am connected to Delaware in some way. We're both in the same country. Well, you, where you were living in canada is way fucking closer to the united states than me to delaware yeah it's all the same shit it's all the same landmass correct god damn it we're stupid yes but you're more american than me man you're an actual immigrant yeah i was just lucky yeah i got lucky that my grandparents parents my great-grandparents

were like fuck italy right and they moved over my grandparents were parents, my great-grandparents were like, fuck Italy. And they moved over when my grandparents were little. And Ireland, too. Same thing. My grandfather, great-grandfather on my father's side, same thing. They all just said, fuck this place. And they brought their kids over, and they had to figure out this new thing. Yeah.

It was a new thing. Yeah. Yeah, it was a new thing. Wide it was wide open wide open i mean it's still kind of a new thing yeah we'll look at the the history of the world look at it though like the tech world everyone's coming from everywhere to silicon to here now silicon beach everyone's coming and you're like that's a fucking great thing it is a great because you're getting all the best and smartest people coming here and giving us their knowledge and you're like why is that that's fucking great.

You know what's really interesting, too, is they're almost universally leaning left. If you look at all these powerful tech giants, whether it's, and even like social media companies like Facebook and, you know, Apple. And they almost predominantly lean left despite the fact that they're worth billions of fucking dollars and they're a main driving force in our economy i think that this is this is my my problem because i don't know if they're leaning left necessarily they're backing things that are perceived as left-leaning like that like for example if you have a fucking brain and you've talked to scientists and you've and you've read and you you're like oh shit we're up against the wall like i always say humans won't do anything until the fucking guns to that the guns to the fucking head right and so

if you talk to any of these people it's like okay yes i fucking how do we fucking fix this the fact that that's left or liberal that's stupid right and and I don't understand it the other thing is you go on to like pot for example we all know where it's going or if you want to talk about like for example the women's march on civil rights we all know where we're fucking going yeah if you grew up as we did in the fucking modern age civil rights okay we're not fucking going backwards. Right. How the fuck that became a fucking left thing, too.

It's like... Crazy. It's crazy. How is it not a right thing as well? It should be one thing where we all meet in the middle. One thing where we meet 100% in the middle and go, look, there can't be racism anymore. It doesn't make any fucking sense. It's too old.

It's too stupid. It's just an archaic monkey way of thinking. It's back to our primate tribal roots. The fact that it's still on the fucking table is just stupid. Yeah. It's fucking stupid. And I feel the same way about gay rights. I feel the exact same way.

I do too. If you have a real problem with... I got a gay neighbor. These folks that live down the street, they have a kid. They adopted a kid. They have a fucking dog they walk by. They're the nicest fucking people in the world. I feel like-

What the fuck do you care? They're family. What the fuck do you care? Why would anybody care? Why would anybody care? Civil rights, gay rights, all of that stuff. Women's rights. All of it.

We all know where we're going. Exactly. We all know where we're going. Yeah. So why the fuck are we having these fights and fucking this and that? Well, because people on- Look, I mean, what we were talking about earlier, the Black Lives Matter having these fights and fucking this? Well, because people on, look, I mean, what we were talking about earlier,

the Black Lives Matter people upset at the women's rights movement, the trans community upset at the women wearing vaginas. That's because people are fractious.

Fractious, yes. That's a good word. I never used it, but I'm going to start fucking throwing it around now. And I think that this is why we need some sanity. Yeah.

And you need some common sense in saying, look, people, we all know where we're getting. Let's just stop fighting each other. We need psychedelic drugs. That's really what we need.

I mean, that sounds stupid. Mushrooms and PTSD. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, also MDMA and PTSD. And ayahuasca is curing a lot of people of smoking and alcoholism. And heroin.

Yeah. And a lot of that is also because they need to get ayahuasca because dimethyltryptamine, the active compound of it, is illegal in the United States, even though your body produces it. There's actually clinics in Mexico. And Ibogaine. Ibogaine. Sorry, I'm thinking Ibogaine. Which is an amazing one for heroin, opiates.

I'm thinking Ibogaine. Rewires the mind. If you have someone who you know has an opiate addiction, my friend Ed Clay, he runs a center down in Mexico, and he started it out because he had a problem with them. He kicked them by using Ibogaine, and now he's like— We did a story on it, and it's incredibly successful. The guy who we followed through that he's still clean it's been incredibly i just i mean i don't understand why if things work why we just can't say okay

yeah yeah um well because again it's not on our team our team is clean and jesus and bibles and football and we're not taking drugs like a bunch of goddamn dirty hippies you want bernie sanders and you want drugs and it's also it's also big pharma yeah it's that too there's a lot of money well they need to get high too that's part of the problem part of the problem is all these fucking people that have already made a fuckload of money and they're trying to protect those investments they're involved in these gigantic organizations these corporations it becomes this diffusion of responsibility situation where you have all of these people acting in the benefit of the group or for the benefit of the group, not thinking about

everybody as individuals and justifying what they do by the fact that, hey, this is just business. This is how it's done. This is how it's always done. There's enough fucking profit already. There's enough. And if you're in a business and your only way to make profit is by eating babies

and you go, look, my country, we've been eating babies over here for a long time and we're not going to just stop eating babies. No, you have to stop eating babies.

We know it's not good now. Yes. And I feel the same way about fucking SeaWorld. They need to stop having dolphins and whales and orcas in captivity. Cut the shit.

You can't do that anymore. Like, it's the same. There's a lot of things that we know are bad, but we allow them to go on because they've gone on for a long time. And I think that's across the board. There's a lot. And all of those, they're being exposed now. It's one of the more interesting things about this time,

is that because of all the information that's out now about opiate addictions, that's the reason why doctors prescribe less and less now. That's the reason why they're under more and more scrutiny. Yeah, correct. Like Oxy's and all that. Yeah, it's not because the doctors wanted to stop. It's not because the pharmaceutical companies wanted to stop. It's because our information got out.

It was the most profitable drug in the last 10 years. Yeah, and it's because guys like you and Vice got that fucking message out. And how about fentanyl? Yeah. What the fuck? I know a like you and Vice got that fucking message out. And how about fentanyl? Yeah. What the fuck? I know a guy who just died of it. Holy shit. Yeah, I know a martial arts guy who just died of it. That's fucking crazy. It's way more powerful than heroin, right? Way more powerful.

It's 400 times more powerful. Yeah. It's crazy. God damn it. Who the fuck looked at oxys and went, not strong enough, bro. Yeah. This stuff's for pussies. Well, the thing with fentanyl is you can take like one grain of it and then cut it into so and so. To go back to your point, it's pure profit.

But the fact of the thing is people are dying like motherfuckers on it. And you're like, holy shit. And people didn't know that they were addicted to fentanyl until they went in to try to get treated. And they're like, oh, shit, you're not addicted to heroin. You're addicted to fentanyl, which is even harder to kick. God damn it. And it's synthetic. And it's something that human beings have created.

And they've created over the last 10 years. Yeah. Right? And there's not a lot of data on it. Yeah. As far as like what the average person knows. It's for like operating on rhinoceros like oh no and it's for yeah it's for like uh you know operating on rhinoceros i mean it's it's super fucking strong it's it's super strong we're assholes

well that's it too like opioid uh overdoses are going through the roof it's never been higher uh deaths have never been higher and yeah and we're just sitting there going well we're making the stuff like we can stop making it. Whoever is making that stuff is a monster. If you're making that stuff, you are a monster. Whatever company that's making that, and the fact that the government hasn't stepped in, Trump immediately steps in and fucking

stops the protests in the Dakota pipeline and starts that back up again, and he doesn't do anything about fentanyl? Get on that. What numbers of deaths? Jamie, pull up the numbers of deaths you know maybe it's not on his table maybe people aren't bringing it to him but god damn it's a huge it's a huge huge problem that you know opioid addictions are going through the roof before you pull that up let's guess how many people a year do you think died from fentanyl in the united states

well it just started they just started being able to track it, but I would say 50,000. Oh, I was going to say 19,000. I don't know why I said 19. I would say 50,000. Okay. I'm going low. He's going high. Jamie, what are the numbers? Drum roll, please. I'm trying to find a good number. It's not readily out yet.

That's because the goddamn pharmaceutical companies are fucking around with the man. Well, let's just see opioid overdoses in 2016. Well, no, no, no. We need to specifically find out. Let's just go with that. Let's just see what that is. It'll give us a ballpark.

That's going to be a lot. Oof. Opioid overdoses in the United States. I'm going with 75,000. What do you say? I don't know. You got a guess. You can't say I don't know.

I went above yours. Okay, okay. So we're staying consistent. Because you got to guess. You can't say I don't know. I went above yours. Okay, okay. So we're staying consistent. Because you got to think, that's overdose deaths. Deaths. That's a lot. That's a ton. Right, but I bet it's probably accurate.

I mean, you think about the 350 million people, and I think there's something like 39 million that are on it. Oh, it's something insane. Holy shit. Something insane. The number of people that are on painkillers is fucking bananas. Wow.

What do we got here? Do, do, do. 52,000. Bam, you're a monster. You fucking nailed it. Look at you. Well, I got 50, I got 50,

hold on, I had 50,000 on fentanyl. Oh, that's just drugs. Yeah, yeah. That's just drug overdoses. And that's 15. Opioids driving this epidemic with 20,000.

Oh, so I was right. Hello. There you go. I got it go That's 2015, 16 I believe You were close It was 75 I think So it ramped up that much Oh my god See if you can find 2016

Is that on there Maybe it's not out yet They're still counting up the bodies Jesus Fucking crazy It's probably not out yet. Yeah. They're still counting up the bodies. Jesus. That's fucked up. Fucking crazy. Yeah. It's just crazy.

And find out this. What are the number, they don't give you the number of people that are on them, but they'll give you the number of prescriptions for 2015 and 16 for opiates. Wow. And I think it's- You can get that number? I think it's 39 million. Jesus Christ. I think it's... You can get that number? I think it's 39 million. Jesus Christ.

I think that's what I had read, that there was 39 million prescriptions, which is one out of 10. But it's not really, because how many times do they refill it, right? Is it that? When you say someone has a prescription, are you saying it's prescribed to you,

or are you saying I write you a new prescription when it runs out? 39 million people on opioids is, I mean, that's a large country. Yeah, it is. But it's one out of 10. It's more than one out of 10 if it's per person.

Yeah. I don't think it is per person, though. I think it's per prescription. So like you might be able to have five prescriptions over the course of a year. Right. You know? But then again, they don't think it is per person, though. I think it's per prescription. So, like, you might be able to have five prescriptions over the course of a year. Right. You know? But then again, they don't know because a lot of it is illegal. Mm-hmm.

Oh, yeah, that's a huge part of the problem. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would gather that probably half of it is illegal. At least. Because you got illegal stuff, pills coming in from all over the world and Mexico. And then people people so the story we did on it was they get addicted to oxy then they can't afford it because oxys are more expensive than heroin I don't know how the fuck that happened I

guess whatever and then but they're doing heroin because it's cheaper then fentanyl because it's cheaper still and stronger yeah and there's that whole thing of like when someone dies of a heroin overdose, everyone goes to their dealer and buys from them because, oh, then it's really strong, but I'm not going to die. Yeah. So that's another reason why fentanyl is going through the roof. Isn't that amazing?

It's such a bizarre state that we're in when it comes to that. And then there's all sorts of other prescription pills that people are taking. You know how many people are addicted to Xanax? You know, not a lot of them are dropping like flies, but it's a huge issue. And all, like, these wives that I meet in these, like, wealthy communities, all these people, and they're...

It's like so many fucking people are on Xanax. I mean, they're laughing about it. I'll just have a Xanax and a glass of wine. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Like, how many of you fuckers are on Xanax? some lady was at the comedy or at the improv the other night and she was so Comfortable heckling she was in the front row. She's an older lady, and she was a little drunk She's tipsy, but she was so comfortable heckling and chatting it up, and I go let me guess I go you had a glass of wine and a Xanax and she fucking got up and high-fived me right she was laughing yes

Yes, yes yes you're right and I go do you take that all the time she's like all the time I can't get along without it well wasn't there a stat I remember this stat and hopefully we can pull it we're giving him too much work right he's confused but there was a stat that like 50 percent of the country was on pharmacy, like some sort of like Xanax or this or that or whatever booze. And the other 50% was on, you know, pot or Coke or this or that,

which kind of makes sense. Yeah. And so you're like, basically, you know, it reminded me, it reminded me of like platoon when, when Elias's dudes were all smoking pot and they were like the freaks

and then the other dudes were drinking whiskey and beer and whatever. And it's sort of like those are your tribes. Like, oh, the freaks and the crazy guys were smoking the weed and the good hardcore guy, whatever his name was, the Tom Barringer character, they were the wild turkey drinkers. But if you just look at it, you're like, well, everybody in the country in some form or another is taking something. Right. Yeah.

If not, then they're going to AA meetings and smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee. Yeah. That's really what's going on, man. Yeah. What do we got here, Jamie? Got some stats? Yeah, I got some stats here. Well, 52 Americans.

Wow. That's even more. 52 million Americans use prescription drugs for non-medical reasons at least once in their lifetime. So that means people that are recreationally taking probably, you know, painkillers. Death by overdoses involving prescription painkillers quadrupled since 1999. That's incredible. prescription painkillers quadrupled since 1999. That's incredible. More than 6.5 million

people above the age of 11 use prescription drugs for non-medical reasons in 2013. That's more than cocaine. Holy shit. That cocaine number looks unbelievably low. I think that's New York on a Friday night. Yeah, that's Santa Monica. Those are liars.

Total number of retail drug prescriptions in 2015. 4,06 sixty five million one hundred seventy five thousand sixty four Holy shit. Yeah, we are fucking we've been evaded. You're a good researcher. He's a bad motherfucker We've been in the cow look out. Yeah, we'll get Alabama. They're coming out of strong Alabama's at the top? It's just Alphabet of Four. Oh, I see, I see. Alphabet of Four. Oh, yeah.

California, though. Oh, my God. 458 million. Are we at the top? We're taking it out here. Florida's just... We're number one? Florida's number two?

New York's got to be. That's hilarious that Florida's number two because there's way less people in Florida. Yeah, New York. Just above New York. Wow. Wow. Dude, there's way less people in Florida. Ohio's way up there for... Ohio's way up there for-

Ohio's way up there for you. Of course. Not that many people. You grew up there, kid. You know what's up. Hey, what's up? You got to get fucked up. You got to get fucked up.

You want to get through. Where in Ohio? Columbus, Ohio. Powerful Columbus. There's a lot of punk bands from there. Yeah. That's the reason why. It's fucking gray all through the winter.

You go outside. There's no goddamn clouds just darkness or no sun just darkness and gloomy and heroin and pills there you go pills yeah man it's not good and i don't know how to get that out of the system that's like a that's like having a computer virus and you bring it to the the computer guy and he's like oh jesus it's in everything well it's also another reason why we're all fucked up because everybody's just, you know, drugging themselves and, oh, fucking opioids. And, you know.

And the cynics will say, well, you're a fucking pothead. You're talking about that and you're a pothead. What's the difference, bro? Well, it's pot, stupid. First of all. Second of all,

it doesn't do anything bad to you. It's already been established. Obviously. I mean, no one's trying to stop whiskey. Obviously. No one's trying to stop whiskey. No one's trying to stop wine. I'm not trying to stop people from taking things that are manageable. There is nothing manageable about fentanyl. Nothing.

If you're rolling the dice with death every time you're doing something, that's not good. And also, if you're getting addicted like that and you just can't you can't do anything about it Then that's just stupid and it's way harder to kick you said yeah Well, I mean it's it's it's much stronger so I'll fuck needed that like who approved that What was it was for animals and then they said oh we can just cut this and it's sort of like super strong heroin It's like PCPp right pcp was a an animal tranquilizer i know but it's just amazing that someone greenlit that that they look at that go oh well paper seems to be in order let's go roll it out well how many this

is my thing how many hippopotamuses and rhinos are we tranking yeah because somebody must have looked at at some point said fuck there's a lot of hippopotamuses getting their livers removed here in uh in new york city jesus christ yeah yeah well once those woolly mammoths start fucking roaming through russia and chewing everything we're gonna have to shoot them with darts we're gonna have to trank them and check them out make sure they're not doing anything weird we need the mammoths we need the mammoths. We need the mammoths. Make sure they're not evolving on us. Yeah. Weird times, man. Yeah. Really, really, really weird times.

Yeah. And more weird, I think, than any other time in human history. Oh, for sure. And, you know, if we believe in Moore's Law, then it's going to just go, like you're saying. Yeah. We have this technology now. We can't even, like, it used to be like, oh, 50 years from now, we'll write about five years from now. We don't know what the fuck's going to happen.

All of this shit is just like, well, we can, you know, map the genome and now we can edit the genome. Now we can reverse aging. Now we can do this. And you're just sitting there going, Holy shit, this is happening in real time so quickly. And, and, and because of that and the sort of the speed is ramping up I kind of like it though because you know I do a lot of medical research and I'm like

you know one of the reasons why I'm not drinking here is because I got to go for my annual physical and I'm you know got to go in and not have too much booze or whatever in my body but what's interesting about it is they map your shit and they check out your shit and they say, well, this is going to happen or that can happen, whatever else. But you sit there and you go, in five years, you're going to have aggressive therapies,

if not cures, for many forms of cancer. Yeah. So you're just sitting there going, please, for fuck's sakes, just get me another fucking 10 years so that i can get to you know this sort of stage and i think a lot of people with a lot of diseases that hitherto have been incurable are sitting there going come on come on come on come on come on come on yeah like you know because it's just it's it's going exponentially and when you can map the genome then you can figure this out and we can rewire that fucking thing and well there's also more understanding about

nutrition now than ever before and the causes of all these illnesses. And a big part of that is inflammation. Gut. Gut health. Gut health. Yeah, gut health. And that pertains to a lot of it. It pertains to your diet.

Mm-hmm. You know? And also the over-prescription of antibiotics. I was listening to this podcast today. Destroys your bio. Yeah, I was listening to this podcast today where they were discussing. So one was discussing having, she had some sort of an illness and they gave her two, oh, she had an ear infection, and they gave her two big doses of antibiotics

and she was fucked up for a decade. Yeah. Just her, she had constant pain, chronic pain, all these illnesses and injuries. And then finally she went to a homeopathic doctor. And the homeopathic doctor sorted it out with probiotics. And she thought it was bullshit. She was saying, like, the woman, her name was, like, Snowflake, and her child was Moonchild. I had the exact same thing.

Stardust. It was not stardust. It was a great, great, great doctor called Dr. Lipman. He's an internist. And what happened was I had a stomach-eating, flesh-eating stomach parasite. Oh, Jesus. And dysentery. It got in Afghanistan.

I came back, and I was in trouble i was bad went to the sort of tropical disease center and they're like holy shit we have to get this out uh and so what did it look like well i took super strong super super strong um antibiotics and afterwards i was like I'm fucked up. Like, I'm seriously fucked up here. I can't get out of bed. Like, I'm messed up. And this guy goes, he's like this internist. You got to go see him. So I go see him. And he's just like, you need a ton of probiotics.

You need to rebuild your biome, right? And so I did. I just took a ton of probiotics. And he put me on this shit, whatever. I was a new man, right? Because all your immune system, everything is there. Now they've found out. So what was happening was C. diff and Crohn's disease and all these things

were happening because there was superbugs in hospitals because they were over-prescribing antibiotics. And so they started doing fecal transplants of healthy healthy shit i tried to explain that to someone they thought i was joking it redoes your biome and by the way it was incurable before people are dying and then they do a fecal transplant and they're cured why because it replenishes your biome right and you're completely destroying it with antibiotics we did a piece on it the post-antibiotic world where they just stopped working. And if you don't come up with shit like fecal transplants, you're fucking dead.

So I went through that, and I've got to say, you know, fucking let's spend some money on that. Look at this. Autism symptoms improve after fecal transplant, small study finds. Yeah, they're finding out that it has something to do with autistic. Also Parkinson's and Alzheimer's? Yeah, but the severity of autism symptoms and all the traits that they exhibit, something has to do with their gut biome. And if you can make the gut biome healthy, it radically improves their state. Parkinson's and Alzheimer's starts in your gut, moves up, starts to plaque.

And that's another thing that apparently has a giant effect on people with autism is medical marijuana. Medical marijuana, especially edible marijuana. I have a friend, and he moved to Washington State particularly because of that. Because they made it legal. And another friend whose kid was also autistic moved to Colorado for that reason. Because he could get it easily. And people with cancer, we have a story of all these parents who are like Bible thumpers who found the only thing that worked was CBD and they're like, fuck it, we're moving from

Texas and wherever to Washington and Colorado because it's the only thing that helps my kids. And here's my message to them. If you believe in God, you got to believe that God made marijuana. You know, it's man that decided it was bad for you. It's not God. It's not logic. And it's man that decided it was bad for you it's not it's not god it's not logic and it's definitely not science there's just some bullshit propaganda that got stuck to it in the

1930s and we're still trying to shake it off that's really what's going on it has nothing to do with what's right or what's wrong they were not into a lot of fun in the 30s they didn't want booze it was right after that actually it was right after they had gotten through the prohibition that they decided to go after marijuana. That's really when it happened. It all happened because of William Randolph Hearst. You know the whole story behind it. No. You don't?

Oh, God damn it. I've told it a thousand times. So I'll give you the abbreviated version. William Randolph Hearst owned Hearst Publications, newspapers. He also owned paper mills. Right. And they came out with this machine called a decorticator that allowed them to much more effectively process hemp fiber. It was a machine that processed it. Hemp makes a superior paper. It makes superior cloth. You can eat it. The hemp

seed's nutritious. It has essential fatty acids, all the amino acids. It's this amazing plant. It's like an alien plant. He decides to demonize it because he doesn't want to convert his wood, his trees that he's turning into paper. He doesn't want to convert it to hemp and spend millions of dollars. So instead he starts publishing stories about Mexicans and blacks that are taking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women. This drug, marijuana, wasn't even the name for cannabis. When they made cannabis outlaw, when they made it illegal, when they made marijuana illegal, they didn't even know they were making hemp illegal. They didn't know. The general

public did not know it was the same thing. Because this word marijuana was never associated with hemp or with cannabis. Marijuana was a wild Mexican tobacco, totally unrelated to cannabis. They called it marijuana so that they could demonize it, and that's when they funded Reefer Madness and all those

crazy propaganda movies and posters and we are still to this day trying to shake off what William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger did in the 1930s. It's a very interesting anecdote that sort of is very pertinent to what's

happening today where you can just make up a story about something and then it's fucking it's the truth. It is pertinent to what's happening today where you can just make up a story about something and then it's fucking it's the truth it is it's a it's really perfect it's the perfect way to connect it to i mean we're still dealing with that problem from almost 100 years ago that's crazy it's bananas yeah and it's uh it could happen again you know what we're looking at right now it's not a rigid completely rock solid. All it would take is one asteroidal impact, one killing of the power grid, one, I mean, something happens, a meteor shower happens, and it kills off 30% of the population. Permafrost.

Yeah, permafrost. That could happen. There's so many things that could go wrong. Yellowstone. They have thousands of earthquakes in Yellowstone every year. It's a giant caldera volcano that at one point in time blew up and killed everything on the continent.

Every six to eight hundred thousand years it goes. And when it goes, that's a wrap, baby. And the last time it went, six hundred thousand years ago. And they have thousands of earthquakes every year in Yellowstone. I mean, you go there and you watch steam shooting out of the ground because the fucking boiling magma

is so close to the surface that the rivers and streams and the underground water runs into it, heats it up and shoots it up in the sky on a regular basis. It's fucking bananas. And what I love about that is everyone goes and says, look at that. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, I went. I went. It's really cool.

But it's totally possible that that fucking thing with very little notice could blow. And if it blows, we're dead because we're too close to it. It's in Montana.

That's not far enough away. I mean, maybe some people on the East Coast will survive, but they're going to go in a nuclear winter and it's going to fuck up everybody all over the world. But that's why,

just speaking about technology, that if you ever talk to, for example, our guy on our council of elders, Elon Musk, he's like, why would be, why are we a single planetary species? Why wouldn't we just hedge our bets and have be a bi-planetary species? Because if something does go wrong, at least you've got your data and your culture and your people and whatever. And why wouldn't you do that if you could do that? And when they put it that way, you're like, well, that sort of makes sense.

Because everyone's like, oh, they want to live on Mars, those crazy nerds. There's no evidence that we can live there, though. The real problem is we can't really stay in that atmosphere for very long. Sure. But I mean, they can make fucking. Yeah. But even that, you're still dealing with a lesser gravity. It's going to have massive health consequences for the people that decide to move there.

Got it. But I'm just saying that's their argument. No, it's a good argument. We should be a multi-planetary species. It's a good argument. And it's also arguable that with all this CRISPR technology, they might be able to figure out some sort of a medical solution for people that do move to a, you know, if the moon has one-sixth Earth's gravity. You know, there might be some way that they could figure out a way to colonize the moon and develop some sort of a new technology.

Well, they have crazy shit about- Terraforming and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Creating an atmosphere. Yeah. Why don't they do that here?

Fix what we already fucked up. They have to use nukes to do it in Mars. Oh, that's right. They have to nuke the poles, right? Yeah, they nuke the poles. Wonderful. What a good idea. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Anytime you're, I mean, that sounds like something a little kid would come up with. Yeah. How are you going to solve this? Oh, we're going to drop some fucking nuclear bombs on the roof. What? It's going to make the thing. Yeah.

It's going to make an atmosphere. Yeah, you're going to, it's too many Matt Damon movies. What I always just think about that is, you know, they get the equation wrong, and then something's like, oh, fuck it, it throws that, you know they get the equation wrong and then some like oh fuck it it throws that you know the gravitational pull off by four centimeters which and then you're like oh

shit yeah yeah that should have been a carry the two right and then aliens land on it and take it over as soon as it the air comes up those like the actual alien from the movie

alien with the big fucking head those things they just camp out right over there and start building spaceships and plan their attack. What kind of problem, Shane Smith? I don't know if we're going to solve them by moving to Mars. Did you see that last movie there?

Arrival? Yeah. No, I didn't. I liked it. I heard it was great. I liked it. I heard it was really good. I haven't seen it yet.

I'm going to see it, though. I liked it. I thought it was good. Don't you spoil the alert, man. Okay, I'm not going to. I know you wanted to, right? I got to go, man. Get the fuck out of here, man. I love you. Jesus'm going to see it, though. I like that. I thought it was good. Don't you spoil the alert, man. Okay, I'm not going to. I know you wanted to, right? I got to go, man. Get the fuck out of here, man. I love you. I love you, too, man. So much fun.

Always. Always. We did a sober one. We did a sober one. People said we couldn't do it. I'll come back mid-season and I'll be on the piss again. I'm hoping that Mayo gives me a clean bill so that I can come back. You look great. I'm sure you're fine. Love you, man.

Ladies and gentlemen, I love you too. Shane Smith! That was great.