The Joe Rogan Experience - #917 - Steven Crowder

Episode Date: February 15, 2017

Steven Crowder is an actor, comedian and former contributor for the Fox News Channel. He currently runs his own website and also a podcast called "Louder With Crowder" available on Spotify. - https://www.youtube.com/user/StevenCrowder

Write it and we'll do it live. We'll do it live! Fuck it, we'll do it live! That will go down in history, right? As one of the all-time like, hissy fit celebrity moments. It was one of the first remixes too. Did you ever see the Bill O'Reilly remix? The dance remix? I was amazed by that with Bill O'Reilly where he was going, you know, I don't- they're going, yeah We're gonna- that's what we're going to do. I don't know what that means to play us out. I'm like, how do you not know what it means to play us out?

Just so angry. Yeah. So angry. Yeah, he's an angry man. We were talking before the podcast started about some... No, no, no, no, no. You don't want to talk about it? No, I can't talk about that.

That's inside information being at Fox for years. I can't. But bad stuff. Okay, I'll let it go. But you can talk about Moby though, right? Yeah, we can't talk about that. That's inside information being at Fox for years. I can't. But bad stuff. Okay, I'll let it go. But you can talk about Moby, though, right? Yeah, we can talk about Moby. Moby says he has, like, inside information about Donald Trump that he knows that Donald Trump talked to the Russians.

First of all, when you look at Moby with his fucking hashtag vegan t-shirt on, do you really think anybody in the Russian fucking intelligence community is talking to Moby? Actually, it would be a brilliant ploy from the Russians. They just give a little info to Moby, like, you go, you tell them, and he's going to do it. You should definitely leak this information. It will be the downfall. Then they found out he wasn't Enya, and they made a mistake.

My mom was a wardrobe stylist, so costume designer, for a show called L'Écré. It's like the French-Canadian sort of letterman, kind of like Graham Norton in England. So they'd have stars come in all the time, and Moby was there. He was just a head case. The guy was just absolutely out of his mind.

Nothing was good enough, and he would want something and then say he wanted to change it. Like what kind of things did he want to change? I don't know. I can tell you this. There were only two people who made my mom come home crying. One was Brett Butler. Brett Butler from

Grace Under Fire. Oh, well, she was all pilled out of her head. Yeah, she was. Was this in the 90s? Yeah, when she did the DistroLabs too. My mom, she was

the wardrobe person. You might have even, if you did one of the galas. No, I never did the galas because they wanted me to work clean. Did they put you on the nasty show?

Yes, I was always on the nasty show. They always advertised that. And then I was on my own shows. After a while, I would do my own shows. But the

gallows, they were always like, you have to be clean. I'm like, not interested. Not interested in being clean for Canadian TV for no money. Thanks, though. Well, the flip side is the nasty show. Like, just don't market it that way. Just make the show. Everyone would come in like, I'm going to the nasty show. Yeah, but they liked it. Like, that was, they would go to see

it, and it would be like the way that the festival would sort of differentiate. and it would be like the way that the Festival would sort of differentiate. I don't know. I don't know not the worst name for a show I guess it just seems like it just seems like like they're little kids in the schoolyard like he said a bad word like we Know comedians, you know, they're it's gonna be a raw show dirty dirty people Nasty speaking of nasty. We are gentlemen today and we have pipes. Oh, yeah, cuz Crowder had a About I don't think we say Crowder, by the way. I don't think we even mentioned it. No, I don't ever do that.

Do you not? We just start talking. Steven Crowder, who's from Louder with Crowder, his internet show, and he has a thing on his internet show where you have like a little pipe... What would you call them? Yeah, a pipe rack. Like a trolley.

Would you call it a trolley? Just a pipe rack. Pipe rack, okay. I wanted to come up with a better name. You wanted to come up with a better name? So you went to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood right away, the trolley. So I saw it and I said, I've always wanted to smoke a pipe, man. I just think they smell good.

Yeah. Have you smelled that? Have you seen what they do? No, that's actually from my brother out there. That's called a seersucker. So your brother's a serious pipe. He knows more than I do, yeah. So isn't this like, a seersucker's the type of suit, right?

I know, but that's just what they call it. Oh, so they call this seersucker? Like all kinds of weird names, like Lane 1Q is really common. It smells actually really good. It smells really nice. It's interesting. And then you have English blends, which he smokes. We don't want to do that now.

It's super heavy nicotine, but like Latakia, you get some Perique. It's very smoky, like incense-y, barbecue-y. I have some Dunhill Nightcap, which it'll put you to sleep, though. So how much do you put in the pot? So people are thinking, yes, no, here's the rule. So what you're going to do is put it up to the brim. Up to the brim. Just kind of the brim.

Pack it in there. No, no, don't pack it in yet. The general rule is the first, when you tamp it down with your finger, the strength of a child. Then you fill it again, the strength of a woman. And you fill it a third time with the strength of a man. Okay, so child. Yeah, just barely. Now a little more. Strength of a woman. Well, what kind of a woman, man? Like a third time with the strength of a man okay so you fill it yeah just barely now a little more strength of a woman well what kind of a woman man like a chris cyborg no

not like a cyber let's not talk about that because that can go sideways in this show okay woman it's already gone sideways the fact that i said her name she's like candy man i'm going to fight joe then a man what kind of a? Like a Moby man or like me? Um, what I'm saying? Well, Nakia Jarrett just is arm wrestling Courtney,

who's like super CrossFit extraordinaire this week. She's really strong. She can like squat 265. Whoa, that's a lot. But I think he's going to

smoke her in the arm wrestling. Why do you think that? I hope people can tune in and watch. I think because he's a man. Wow, sexist. I am,

yeah, right away. Well, she thinks he's going to win, too. Wow. But the bet is like 74%. Yeah, so you tamp that down. Tamp it, okay.

Like, what you want is to be a little springy. Okay, I got a little springy there. Yeah, a little springy. Like running on moss, perhaps? Yes, yes, exactly. Okay. And then I didn't have a lighter, so you got matches. You got to follow in there, too.

I do. So what you do is you light it once, and that's what we call the charring light. So what you're going to do is you're going to see that tobacco. Oh, this is already turning me on By the way only to back on that pipe or it'll ruin the briar Let's just mean if I put weed in there it'll fuck it up Well, you won't be able to taste the tobacco from there forward. Yeah, it'll taste like something around in a circle Yeah

And I do suck on it while you do it. Oh gosh on it while you do it. Oh, gosh. And then you're going to see that tobacco kind of raise up. So puff it. Keep puffing on it. Yeah. And then you tamp it down one more time once it goes out, and then you light it again. Okay. This is super involved. I know it is.

It's not something you just kind of light and go, and it won't last long. Hold up. Immediate head rush, by the way. Really? Oh, yeah. By the way, don't inhale it just puff it too late Well, I'm a pot smoker, bro. Well. I don't want to nail that there's no filter on that. What are you pussy? Well, I'm saying that's like you'll get actual chunks of tobacco on your lungs. There's no filter. That's a big big

Maybe you will well not me bro probably you toss the matches over you bro, but smell that though that smell nice Well, probably. Maybe you, bro. But smell that, though. Doesn't that smell nice? I gotta stop inhaling it. Now, do I use a lighter? Can I use a lighter? Yeah, as long as it's not a jet lighter, because that'll damage the briar. So, like I said, it's not a...

I like it. I feel like a distinguished gentleman. Like, who's that? Nigel Farage? No. No, he's not that distinguished. He's an asshole, but he's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's fun to listen to him talk to people.

I love when you guys had that thing when he... Oh, the thug life? Yeah, the thug life thing. It was hilarious. When not gay Jared came over and gave you a lap dance. I was a queen. You guys are getting silly. Yeah. We got word that Nigel liked that show.

I don't know how true it is. Well, you guys are one of the very few. I mean, you're a conservative guy, but I would say you get a bad rap, dude. You really do. And that's one of the reasons why I like you is because you are a pretty much fact-oriented guy when it comes to a lot of issues. Political issues, social issues. You don't bullshit.

And you don't try to sway things toward one side or the other when it's not accurate. It's not factual. I appreciate that. And by the way, these probably will go out. You have to relight it because it's just kind of an art. But I've had people talk to me about you, and they give me this bullshit take on you. And I'm like, no, he's a smart guy. I go, he's just, yeah, he's conservative.

Yeah, I know a lot of people that are liberal, too. And a lot of people that are in the middle. You can't talk to someone? I appreciate that. And not to kiss ass you, but people out there need to know that Joe has been incredibly fair and very kind behind the scenes.

You have every reason not to. And I think a big reason of it, honestly, here's a good example, the Young Turks. And we've seen this transition with Trump or people who were really afraid to speak out now. You're seeing that change online because the establishment has been Barack Obama. So kids who were raised for eight years under Bush, man, I hate Bush, you know, listen to no effects, go to the Vans Warped Tour, whatever it is. And now they've been raised under Obama for eight years and all this political correctness has run amok and they're rejecting that. So for the longest

time, I had this small YouTube channel and I was on Fox. I was kind of muzzled a little bit because I was there and there were certain things that I could say or couldn't say online because it was a liability. You were a little youngish at the time as well. I was 21. It was hard to take you seriously. Yeah, I was 21 years old. Yeah, you little fresh-faced little lad. How old are you now? You're not even that old now. How old are you now? I'm 29.

Yeah, you're a young fella. Well, and so what happened is they kind of had their interpretation from whatever the Young Turks said about me. Because when I had 50,000 subscribers, it was like their day job to go after me. And now when I've had Alex Jones on, we've been doing proactive parodies of the Young Turks, calling them out, asking them to debate. They will trash talk every conservative not named Steven Crowder. It's like I'm Voldemort. My name won't be spoken. When I had 50,000 subscribers, they would talk about me all the time, and they had, you know, a million or two million. Now that's changed, and people are able to come here directly.

I feel lonely that you're not supposed to be on the pipe. Sorry, well, give me your lighter. The matches are getting annoying. Yeah. Thank you. So, you know, I like to think, but, you know, there's also the real possibility that people just don't like me because, you know, I'm kind of a dick. Well, you can be a dick sometimes. Yeah.

But you're a funny dick. Like, you do some funny shit. Like, one of the things that you did that was really funny was, what was that feminist rally thing that you went to? Was this the recent one where it was a tranny? Yeah. And I actually interviewed Wendy Davis. I don't think you're supposed was a tranny? Yeah. And I actually interviewed Wendy Davis. I don't think you're supposed to say tranny, bro. Yeah, I don't really.

Well, that's why people don't like me sometimes. But I think now you're seeing more people say that. They don't care. I think it's funny when they start making words taboo. I really do. Like, people said tranny forever. And then all of a sudden it's, like, disparaging. Like, okay.

I even noticed in the new Bill Burr special, he said, like, Oh, what are you going to do? You'll fucking marry? And I was like, he would have said fag four years ago. Because he did in his special. And he used the word Mary, talking about like a sissy. And I was like, that's not a word we ever heard him use before. Oh, Bill uses that word.

Does he? Yeah, that's a Boston word. Yeah, you fucking Mary. Yeah, people call guys Marys. Well. Maybe he's trying to be a little bit more Politically correct. You know what I do I use the word, but I do it in character Yeah, cuz I said it and they're like if I say like faggot like that Well, I didn't say it Nigel said it that was not me

I had this joke about tigers in Texas because I don't know if you know my this is a true story from my last Netflix special there are more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are in all of the wild of the world. In private collections, in people's backyards, there are more tigers in Texas than the rest of the fucking planet Earth. That is a fact. That is a real stat. Because they can have them. Just a bunch of dentists who carried them back in a pickup truck? I know people that know people that have tigers

I know people in Texas whose friends have tigers. They just you can have a tiger. Are you aware by the way? What's the biggest cat of you probably know this but the biggest predatory cat, you know, well ligers, but it's not they're not viable Oh, they can't breed. Well, I thought the lion at first no tiger So much bigger I went back in the Roman Roman times in the Coliseum Siberian tiger is so much bigger. I went back in the Roman times in the Colosseum. And I can't entirely corroborate this. I will say this, but I don't know.

I bet I can corroborate it when you do, because I got balls deep. So they would bring out the lions, and they said the lions have to be on three points and can paw, whereas the Siberian tigers would leverage back and pounce. Yeah. It said it wasn't even close. Not to mention that the tigers are way bigger, but they were able to just go back on their two legs, whereas the lion has to have three points of contact, which is like a dog giving the paw. Yeah. So when I saw that, I was like, well, that's something that's pretty incredible, because you see a lion, I mean, I saw the ghost in the darkness, and that's pretty scary, but it's not even close.

The mountain lion will fuck you up, dude. Just a small mountain lion, an 80-pound mountain lion will fuck you up, But a Siberian tiger will fuck you up in ways you couldn't possibly imagine. Well, I have a dog, Hopper, Doggo Argentino. Oh, those are big dogs. Well, you can Google it. They're quite sketch, too. They're not. They're not. You've got to train them good, but they're sketch.

Well, he ran for president with Dean Cain, and he had like a few hundred votes, which I felt bad about because it was a gag. So who knows if that changed the state of Michigan. bad about because it was a gag. So who knows if that changed the state of Michigan. But by the way, if it starts going out, you put two fingers over, kind of create a slipstream and suck it in and it'll give you, probably not now, you probably need to relight it. It's not like a cigar. It's not good to talk and smoke a pipe. It's meant to be more contemplative.

But Bertrand Russell used to smoke a pipe. Did he? I don't know if you know that. Why are you doing the voice? You need to say a bad word with the voice. Bertrand Russell used to speak. And he was a trainee. It was one of the voice? You need to say a bad word with the voice. This is how Bertrand Russell used to speak. And he was a trainee. It was one of the things, like, he wanted to fly, and he would only fly if he could smoke on the plane, because he was so addicted to tobacco that he had to constantly smoke.

There he is. Look at him. Look at him. Such a distinguished gentleman. Every time smoking a pipe. A pipe. That's how he would speak. But it is very relaxing, because it's's kind of like jiu-jitsu.

You've used the term moving meditation. When you're sitting down there outside at the end of the day, if you don't focus on it, it's going to go out. It's not like a cigar. It's not like a cigarette. So you have to sit there and focus on the draw, focus on the exhale, and all you're thinking about is the pipe. So it really is kind of a contemplative art. No, you're getting fucked up on tobacco. Why are you lying, man? You're lying to people um

What were you talking about before that we're tigers in Texas? There's more time Okay, so dog Argentinos a few run YouTube in me, dude You're going all over the place run a YouTube search on dog Argentino mountain lions you will see Dog Argentinos messing up actual mountain lions. Yeah, you know why because the mountain lion wants to get away It's probably true the mountain lion doesn't want to fight to the death. The mountain lion is a predatory animal. Predatory animals don't necessarily fight to the death. It's one of the reasons why dogs are so fucking dangerous, because dogs are bred

to not feel pain, not recognize pain. That's one of the things about pit bulls. They're not the biggest, strongest dogs, but they're bred to ignore pain, and that drive to attack and ignore pain makes them very problematic. You just used the word problematic. Let's ban that word.

I love that word. And you just ruined my anecdote. Smoking a pipe. But yeah, that's what they're bred for. They're actually really people-oriented because they're bred to be protective of people and hunt with people. So they're not bred to fight dogs. Right. So a lot of actually people, that's why we got Hopper.

He's a rescue. dogs. Right. So a lot of actually people, that's why we got Hopper. He's a rescue. Out in Michigan, a lot of guys in the inner cities bought them thinking, this is like a bigger pit bull. They're going to be great dog fighters. They were horrible and they just got abandoned. So there's all kinds of doggos out there in Western Michigan. I don't know if there still are. Wild doggos? Well, just our dog, Hopper. Oh, look how cute. That looks very much like our dog, Hopper. Look how cute fella. They're so big. Such a big dog. Well, ours is a little bit of a runt.

He's about 90 pounds because we found him with a broken leg, a roam on the streets, alopecia, Lyme disease. So you rescued him right off the street? Well, no. He was rescued into a lady who specialized in doggos, and then we took him from her. And he's the most people-oriented dog we've ever seen. I mean, to the point where he'll actually, the biggest problem you have is if you stop petting him and you don't know him,

he'll growl for you to keep petting him. So kids are like, okay. And they're terrified. Well, that seems like a dicky dog. Yeah, a little bit. I have a dog called a Regency Mastiff. Oh yeah, those are no joke. Yeah, it's a Neapolitan that's bred with a pit bull.

So they're about 140 pounds. They're good with the kids? More athletic. He's great. My kids ride him. Like, literally ride him. They get on top of him and he'll just walk around. Watch, we're gonna get PETA on you for that now. They shouldn't be riding dogs! He's older now, poor fella. He's like 11. He's got some hip problems. He walks at a limp. Well,

thank you for having me back, even though part of your audience doesn't like it. Dude, just change now. Don't be defensive. Don't say that. Have you noticed a change kind of in the era of Trump? Well, culturally, I think there's, I know this sounds like a broken record, but counterculture wise, you have a lot of people who

were afraid to even speak up, even from the last time I was on the show, where they've been called racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic is a new thing, where everyone's going, you know what? All right, fine. Let's go with that. I think if you were to hold the election today, Donald Trump would win in a landslide. Wouldn't even be close.

Really? Yeah. That's because of how bad the behavior has been from the left. The rest of America. I had my Uber driver coming here and she believed every lie. Her name, she was a Latino woman. Why ever talk to Uber drivers about politics? That always seems to end in a TMZ

They'll explain we have a 4.2 rating. So I'm right at the threshold of losing my uber privileges. Are you serious? So like you get a rating as a customer. Yeah, you get a rating as a customer. What's a good rating a 10? You have a 4.2. No, no, it's 5. It's out of 5. Oh, that's not that bad No, it's not that bad. If you go under of 4. But if you go under a 4, you're out. No. Yeah, you're out. So someone could find you right now. Uber drivers could unite and blackball you. Well, my friend, I can't say his name because it's illegal, actually had his concealed carry with him in an Uber,

and he forgot his magazine, and that person rated him like a 1. So it took one bad rating to drop his score because he had to call him and say, hey, I think I forgot something in the back of your car. And they're like, well, what is it? Like a magazine? He's like, oh, like a People magazine? And she's like, no, just look. And the guy was just on the phone with him saying, what did you do in my car?

And he just said, I was going to the range. He wasn't. He carries a gun in him everywhere he goes. But this lady, Uber, LA, she decided to start talking about it, talking about the Women's March and stuff. So it's hard for me to say nothing. But we ended up on very good terms. This is a different story. This is not the magazine.

This is not the magazine story. And she- Are you on drugs right now? On speed or anything? I don't do drugs. You're very quick. Everything's going quick. Are you hyped up?

Well, I had that nitro coffee. Oh, okay. And I came from coffee being tea leaf, where I'd already had- That is 270 milligrams caffeine. So I've probably got about five, 600 milligrams. Yeah. That's, that's like two grande Starbucks coffees. Seriously.

I think we've gotten to the middle of that mystery. I've got Venti's 200. Yeah. It's closing, closing in on two grandes. Um, but she said, she's like, well, Donald Trump called all Mexicans rapists. I said, no. She goes, Donald Trump is going to ruin gay rights. Why are you arguing with people? What? What? Cause it's, cause it's just in my nature. And I said, well, Donald Trump called all Mexicans rapists. I said, no. She goes, Donald Trump is going to ruin gay rights. Why are you arguing with people?

Because it's just in my nature. And I said, well, why? She goes, because Donald Trump removed the gay rights thing on the website. I said, what about the fact that all presidents, they remove everything from the previous administration. And they put up a whole new WhiteHouse.gov website. And these people, they buy it in L.A. They're in such an insular bubble. I don't think they realize that there's a whole bunch of people who voted for Donald Trump.

And I wasn't a fan of him in the primaries, but they didn't vote for him because they're racist. They didn't vote for him because they don't want Caitlyn Jenner to take a dump at Trump Towers. They didn't vote for him because they hate brown people. They voted for him because they're tired of being called all those things. And that's why I think you see a lot of these young people who just kind of want to be instigators and provocateurs. But at the same time time they're appreciating more Traditionalism and some of the values their parents try to instill in them because that's kind of more rebellious and going along with the entertainment Industry well, there's always this sort of longing for nostalgia that people exhibit

There's always like back in the good old days like back in the good old days is bullshit Because the good old days you died of syphilis and the good old days people got fucking plague from rats right there's no good old days this is the good old days right now so there's always that right there's always this longing for nostalgia but i think i think you're right with some people but for sure there's some people that are racist that voted for donald trump just because some people are racist oh sure yeah of course but to try and paint i mean if you look at the numbers a huge percentage of people who voted for Barack Obama had to have voted for Donald Trump, particularly in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

There just aren't the numbers there. Well, don't you think that they probably voted for him? A lot of it is for economic reasons, because they thought that he's going to loosen up some regulations, encourage industry. I think it's the opposite. I think a lot of the union voters, they thought Hillary Clinton was in the pocket of Goldman Sachs, and they thought Donald Trump, with his sort of economic protectionism, is going to bring jobs

back to the Midwest. Encourage industry. Encourage American manufacturing. I disagree with the idea of, for example, I've been in Michigan. The unions have a stranglehold. I would rather GM be able to move to Texas or anywhere they want to be competitive in the car market. But I can't even get to that because as soon as I'm going, well, you know, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Donald Trump made a mistake here. I disagree with him. Because then there's a women's march where they're lighting hair on fire and calling him literally Hitler. They're lighting hair on fire? What do you mean? At the women's march. Girl got her hair lit on fire. A girl?

Yeah, by someone with one of those pussy hats. See, you know what, man? See, you know what, man? The thing about that stuff is it's always one fucking person or a couple people out of hundreds of thousands that are acting in that mob mentality and doing violent shit. Incorrect. Oh, come on, man. There's not that many people that do violent shit at those women's marches. That's why there was no arrests. No.

Well, there were no arrests at the Lansing protest either where they cut down a tent with box cutters. What's the Lansing protest? When it went right to work. That was a big thing, where I was there. But even the inauguration protest... Was that the one you got punched? Yeah, I did get punched. So that wasn't fun. That was hilarious. That guy couldn't punch. Well, I know, but when you're not expecting

it... Why throw a punch when you don't know how to punch? Like, come on, Phil. Well, think about everywhere leftists gather, though. Whether it's Woodstock back then, Woodstock 99, Occupy Wall Street... Woodstock back then was violent? Yes! No! There were so many rapes! There were so many rapes! How do you know? Were you there? There were

reports of rapes that occurred. Were they rape rapes, or were they like... I think back then they were rape rapes. Back then Lena Dunham wasn't, you know, shoving fast food napkins in her sister's cooch, claiming she was raped because she saw the condom in a potted plant. So... What? Lena Dunham. She claimed she was raped because she saw the condom in a potted plant so what lana dunham she claimed she was raped because she saw the condom on a plant after she was drunk on muscle relaxers i feel like we always go back to lana dunham yeah um i didn't

know about that story i knew that there was some sort of a gross interaction with her younger sister yeah she was reaching in her in her in her uh in her vagina. But the point is, anywhere leftists gather, there is always violence. Don't you think that's a giant exaggeration? I mean, when the Women's March in L.A. had no violence, there was no arrest, there was no nothing. Well, hold on a second. You say there was no violence, but people said there was no violence at all these other marches, right? But I have a bunch of friends that went. Again, it's like isolated incidents.

Well, no. When you have to look at a trend, right? I'm not saying everyone. I'm not saying everyone. I'm not saying everyone. Okay, but if you've got a million people in L.A., a million people marched. Right. It's 970,000 people. Okay, but you have way more than that with the Tea Party, which was accused of being racist.

Not one incident. Wait a minute. There was never way more than that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You never had a march in L.A. that had more people than 970,000 people. No, more people across the country with the first Tea Party.

Yeah. Yeah, more people across the country with the Tea Party. No, that's, there's no way. Yeah. Yeah. More people across the country with the tea party. There's no way. Yeah. Hold on a second. Not a march. So the day of the Women's March when there were hundreds of thousands of people all over the country marching together in one day.

Yeah. There was never a movement like that for the tea party. Yes, there was. A day where the tea party had more. The one day was Glenn Beck's 400,000 in Washington, D.C. Okay. That's less than was in L.A. Right.

For the Women's March. But across the country, because there were so many, like in Dallas, there were four or five different ones across Dallas. In the same day. In the same day. Come on. Yeah, in the same day. Now, not in one city, I'll give you that.

How many different cities had a march like that? For the Tea Party? Yeah. They were in hundreds of cities. Hundreds of cities simultaneously in one day and it was bigger than the Women's March. Certainly comparable. Well, comparable does not mean bigger. Well, certainly comparable, not a single

incident and they left the places cleaner than they found them. You look at Occupy Wall Street, over 500 crimes including felonies. You look at the Women's March. Let's disregard the crime. People up there with pussy hats bringing their two-year-old with the most profane, disgusting signs you can imagine. When leftists congregate, it's generally not a peaceful assembly, not in the same way as

when people who are right-wing congregate. Look at Berkeley. Jake Shields, a vegan from Berkeley, is becoming conservative. Sorry, vegetarian from Berkeley, is becoming conservative because he just said this was the rule, not the exception in Berkeley. Well, I know Jake. He's a buddy of mine. And essentially he was saying that these people that were doing what they were claiming, they were fighting fascists.

He's like, you're being a fascist. Do you understand what a fascist means? Right. You're using violence to enforce your ideology and you're tolerating no deviations from that ideology. That is being a fascist. Yeah. This pipe smoke, it blows, bro. Well, you have to do it on your own.

It takes too much effort. But we had him on the show, and he was saying, like, you know, it's changed where the left, we need to call this out, and we need to take ownership over this, and we need to squash it because it's becoming a real problem. It's also a problem when you say the left, the left or the right, because it's not necessarily just the left. It's these a problem when you say the left. The left or the right. Because it's not necessarily just the left. It's these fucking idiots that go to these things and put masks on and want to beat people up and mace women.

I saw that girl with a Make Bitcoin Great Again hat. She had a joke hat and someone hit her over the head with a stick. Yeah. That was holding up a sign. And then another guy maced her in the face. I mean, and they think that they can do that kind of shit. You had people getting pulled out of cars, getting punched. You know, Occupy Wall Street, you had people putting bloody rags on tents that they claimed

had AIDS. I mean, anywhere, again, just go back through history in the last decade, it's very different. And not saying all left, right? We're speaking, you have to speak in generalities to save time. But as a general rule, if you look at the right, if you look at, for example, the Tea Party, you look at the movement people who were complaining about the stimulus package, you look at people with economic problems with Barack Obama, they didn't riot, they didn't beat people up in record numbers, there was not a single trash can lit on fire thrown through a window.

That seems to be a common occurrence at these leftist protests. Well, it is now. It is now. It certainly is now. Because they're out of power. Well, it's also these people feel like what Donald Trump represents is the worst possible scenario for the right They feel like he represents this like really arrogant businessman who promotes rape culture and grabbing pussies and you know

That's how that's how they're looking at it So they're like it's time to act like there's some woman who was on Fox News the other day Who's the one that dude Tucker Tucker Carlson? Yeah, is he a Fox News guy? He used to be CNN on Crossfire, right? And he had some woman on and she was talking about Asian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's a fucking school teacher She's talking about being people up and I was like, this is crazy Like she's talking about she called Milo Yiannopoulos who's a gay Jew by the way She called him homophobic. And prefers black men.

Yeah, but how do you call a gay guy homophobic? Everyone's a Nazi now. I mean, I was not for Trump in the primaries, so I get called a cuck, right? I was like, well, listen, he's the most liberal Republican ever. People don't want to talk about him. He's the only president. He was a Democrat most of his life. He's the only president to ever take office being pro-gay marriage when he was sworn in. Barack Obama can't even claim that. Donald Trump is the first person. That's something that people need to recognize about Hillary Clinton.

She was anti-gay marriage as recently as 2013. She was speaking in 2013 and she said, I believe that marriage is a bond between a man and a woman in 2013. And she was making arguments too. It wasn't like she was put on the spot and, well, I think she was out there arguing against same-sex marriage. So, you know, my point here is they're out of power. And so they declare everyone a Nazi. You know, they declare me a Nazi. They'll declare Milo a Nazi. And so if you say, hey, it's okay to punch Nazis in the face. If Hitler walked in here, you'd probably have a tussle with Adolf Hitler. But it's acceptable if you make me or or even you, or Milo, equivalent to Hitler.

And that's what they're doing now. And that's the point that I'm making, is I think because they behaved so poorly, more Americans would vote screw you with the lever and vote for Donald Trump now than they did on November 8th. I believe that. Well, that's highly speculative, Mr. Crowder. Hence the pipe. We can speculate and ponder.

Highly speculative. Not sure if I buy it Might maybe let me think people are also freaking out. They're freaking out about his appointment of a Golden Sacks executive They're freaking out over what's happening with that Flynn fellow who was forced to resign because he was Coordinating with Russia and you know talking about removing sanctions before they got into office and all that stuff. Well, that was a screw-up. And I'm not here to defend Donald Trump. You call it a screw-up. We call it trees-ing it in my country.

They give him a pipe. He's a whole new man. It is delicious, though, isn't it? It's good. It really is good. I'm high as fuck right now. Oh, really? Yeah, what happens if he hits some marijuana after this?

Probably, like, takes it to the next level. But yeah, the nicotine gets you high as fuck, man. That's pretty low in nicotine, though, an aromatic like that. Yeah, but I'm a rookie. I don't smoke any occasionally smoke a cigar. Yeah, but it's pretty occasional. Like, maybe once a month, I'll puff a cigar.

Yeah. Well, yeah, there you go. You can keep that one. That one's already broken in. I can keep this pipe? Yeah, because there's a real breaking process with a pipe. It's actually, you know, you have to smoke it really slow when you first get it because the briar expands.

So, I know. Pure faggotry. You said it in a different voice. Pure faggotry and trannidum. I don't know if that's a word. Trannidum. Trannidum. It's okay if you say it

in a different voice. Let me present this, okay? You take someone like a Bernie Sanders. Son of a bitch. I just want you to relax. Can I get you a drink? Do you drink? I get a drink.

You drink? Get this man some whiskey. Let's get some whiskey up in here. I'll take a beer if you have a cold beer. This podcast is very... We need drink, drink. Real booze. What do you want to talk about?

I just want to relax a little. Okay. I want you to be a human. I don't want all these talking points. These aren't talking points. You're fired up to fucking defend the right and promote your agenda. Well, just because I know you said people think you're an asshole because you're right-wing. I don't care what they think.

People think I'm a fucking meathead. Well, I'm right. They are. I am. In a way. Very meathead-like. Just because you're strong? No.

Well, I'm fucking... I eat meat. I'm a cage-fighting commentator. I look like a meathead. There's a lot of meathead qualities that I possess, although I'm a cage fighting commentator. I look like a meathead. There's a lot of meathead qualities that I possess. Although I'm a kind person. I was very open minded. And probably more left than I am right.

If you looked at a giant spectrum. I don't think so. No? No. Not anymore. I just think it's such a narrow path on the left. They're so unaccepting of people. That's why you've seen all this backlash.

Well I'm very accepting in that way. I mean I'm very accepting even of ridiculous ideas. I want you to talk about them. I just think one of the real problems that I have right now with all these protesters and all these people that are going crazy and calling everybody Nazis is you're stifling communication. Yeah.

And you're stifling the marketplace of free ideas. I want real booze, bro. Get out some whiskey. What's that? Good. Even better. Make it bro. Get out some whiskey. What's that? Good. Even better. Make it hurt. Bring out some whiskey.

Bring out that Alex Jones whiskey. The stuff that makes you talk about interdimensional chai molesters. Actually, you stopped talking about Pizzagate. Remember? That was a big controversy. Oh, you didn't when I had him on here. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I know.

Eddie was probably instigating that. Eddie was out of his fucking mind drunk. He doesn't know what he did. I remember you asking me, like, what do you think about this pizza gate thing? I'm like, I don't think it's true. Here we go. It may not be true. But what do you think about what Breitbart was saying, like, way back in 2011 about Podesta?

That Podesta, like, shields pedophiles. I'm good with a beer. Come on. Don't be a pussy. I'm good with a beer. I'm good with a beer. I'm good with a beer. I have to go to the airport. I don't have a whiskey.

You gotta go to the airport. You can't be drunk at the airport where everybody gets drunk. Plus, Gentleman Jack, you fell victim to marketing. I didn't. He gave it to me for free. Fuck off. Gentleman Jack.

I gave it to you for free? Jack Daniels did. Yeah. I enjoy Jack Daniels. I've actually never had Gentleman Jack. You have now. Well, because you asked me about it, and the first thing where my antenna went up with Pizzagate is they said James Aliphantis means I love kids in French. And I know where they're trying to get it from.

It's J'aime les enfants. That's not James Aliphantis. So right away when it's the first premise that I read is a lie, I'm going, all right. Well, there was a bunch of weird ones, but there was some stuff that was like really odd. Like the pizza place that had that symbol that is the international fucking symbol for pedophilia and child molesting. And Beyonce's in the Illuminati. But no, that is a symbol that the FBI admits that they use in these secret organizations when they capture pedophiles, which they do all the time.

Yeah. They use that symbol. I mean, they agree upon that symbol. It could be. There's a lot of weirdness to it. And here's the thing. It could be. This is my take on it.

And I don't have a side, and I'm not claiming that I have any knowledge. But there absolutely are pedophile rings. They exist. They've caught them before. They've busted them before. Like Jerry Sandusky's kid just got busted yesterday. That was the beauty of Michael Jackson. The guy was so clever about it.

Think about it. He screwed every kid in Hollywood except Macaulay Culkin. How do you know? He's that canary in the coal mine. Macaulay Culkin said, no, no, I go to Neverland Ranch. He never touched me. Yeah, that's what I would say, too. So all the other kids are coming back. They still touched me. Yeah, that's what I would say, too. So all the other kids are coming back.

They still swear up and down. That's what I would say. It's like if you went to a bachelor party and everybody got their dick sucked and your wife said, hey, what the fuck? Bobby says he got his dick sucked. Not me.

I don't know. I mean, maybe she just didn't like me. Yeah, but Macaulay Culkin has no reason to say that now. Yes, he does. Really? Yeah, nobody wants to know that you got molested by Michael Jackson.

You'll never get a girlfriend again. Right, and we get one hell of a book deal. Come on. She'll be about to go down on you, and she'll think, oh, my God, Michael Jackson sucked this dick. Oof. Right? Don't you think? You'll get one hell of a book deal.

Well, you know, Andrew Breitbart, actually. Not Breitbart, the trademark. Andrew Breitbart, the name. I mean, he was actually the guy who got my start. And he wrote about that. You know, Neverland Ranch Ranch his photographer was a pornographer who specialized in European actors who looked underage

and so once he talked about this the guy was fired from Neverland Ranch I think it was six months later he was back so my point with like the Pizzagate stuff is there are things that are provable like that which people can go search Andrew Breitbart and find that story and because people are cocked and loaded to hate someone from the right online.

Cocked. Well, you really do go into a different voice with nasty words. That was my Beavis and Butthead voice. Because of that, I'd rather dwell on stories that we know we can prove or commentary because it's really easy to go, oh, Crowder was wrong with Pizzagate or whatever it is. So there's so much there that's real. That's where I focus. That's my issue with Alex Jones. Alex Jones goes super deep.

And I did not know before I had him that he was a Sandy Hook denier. And I saw that and it hurt my soul. It really did. Yeah, he's been very... His son is a fan. He's been really, really good to me and coming on the show. He's done the Young Turks sketches with us. I think he's

doing less of the conspiracy stuff now, it seems like. Less now. Get him drunk. Get him drunk. Get him drunk and watch it come out. Well, doesn't surprise me. Alex has been my friend for a long time. He's 84% crazy.

But he's like, it's one of those things where if you chase down, there's enough corruption and enough crazy shit in the world that if you chase it down, you're going to find it. Right. It's there. But you got to be careful what you call corruption and what you call conspiracies. Right. Because there are a fuck ton of them that he's missing the mark. Like the Sandy Hook thing. I mean, the Sandy Hook thing is so fucked.

There was a great article that was written about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist until his kid was killed at Sandy Hook. Right. And then realized, like, holy shit, like, these people are telling me that my kid didn't die. that my kid didn't die. Well, I realized how dangerous this whole thinking that the government's spraying shit in the sky from mind control, and the CIA's a mind control organization. Right.

I've been told that I'm in the fucking CIA. Oh, yeah, there are people who think I'm in the Illuminati. How do we get in? I think they meet on Tuesdays. Do you think you could get in? Are you young? Are you too old? Are you too young, rather?

I have no idea. I think you just need to have the all-seeing eye in one of your music videos and you're in like Flint that is it You just got to go like this like Jay-Z. I think they're doing diamonds. He's saying I like diamonds or is he like doing? Well, I didn't realize diamond is also like a black term for ladies nether regions really I found that in risque song smell yo dick You hear that song on YouTube? Yeah. I wasn't even feeling a diamond like that.

I was wild and I wasn't clown like that. He says diamond like that. And I was like, what is this? Feeling a diamond like that. A diamond like that. I've heard of white people who are out of touch with black culture. That's me. But that was ridiculous. Welcome.

Welcome to me. I didn't know. I have to tune to Jamie because Jamie's on black Twitter every day. Jamie keeps, he's got a tweet deck. Oh, the close down of Vine must have been rough for you. Jamie's got tweet deck and he sets up one hashtag, black Twitter, and it's just all black Twitter. Switches butts. It's all just black Twitter references.

And he tells me that people steal from black Twitter and they make jokes on late night TV. Yeah, it's a subculture. Yeah, black Twitter, they say funny shit, and then people steal it. Is that true, Jamie? Is that what you said? That's what I heard. That's the rumor. That is what he heard.

I've heard that, too. When did women, speaking of which, black is a subculture, right? We talk about minority groups. I think you need another drink. Is there more whiskey out there? You didn't even finish that. No, I didn't finish it. Come on, pussy.

Come on. That doesn't work on me. See, you are on the Illuminati. You're trying to do the mind control. Feeling diamond like that? See? Diamond's a stripper. Oh.

So I was wrong all this time. You fucked this whole thing up, dude. See, you're spreading disinformation. How am I supposed to know diamond's a stripper? Smell my dick. Wait a minute. Hold up. No, no.

See, that's not how a bitch get her ass swole up. That's just lazy songwriting. That's how a bitch get her ass swole up? Yeah. He's promoting violence against women because she wants to smell his dick. She beats the hell out of her. But that's lazy songwriting.

He beats the hell out of her. That's not my fault. That's not my fault. Lazy songwriting. They didn't even introduce the character Diamond beforehand. How am I supposed to know? We can't know.

That's not a racism thing. That's a bad songwriting. Okay, if he said, I ain't even feeling Mercedes like that, would you assume? Okay, Mercedes is probably a stripper. Probably. Lexus to the main stage. Probably. But I

didn't read the lyrics so I didn't see a capital on diamond. I can't know this. I was trying to be understanding of another culture. And it backfired. I'll give you that. Yeah. Why doesn't he just wash his dick? Like when you go to the crab shack

they have that automatic hand cleaner. Doesn't he have hand sanitizer he keeps in his fucking bins? Just spray thieves essential oil like my wife does. Yeah, just wash your dick, bro, you dirty bitch. Coming home with a dirty dick. Jesus, that's like worse than adultery. Don't cheat on your wife. That's not his wife, for sure.

First of all, that guy's definitely not married. This is not a marriage we're talking about Oh look at this more booze Bring it out both Bring them both out This guy needs to get drunk he talks too much shit Tell me what you want to talk about Everything life

Generalities Okay let's say this I've never been as mad as I was watching that Holly Holm fight Why? Because of the... Here's what I think. I think if you hit someone after the bell and it's really clear, it should be an immediate point deduction. And they should be given time to recover.

More than a minute. That's just an opinion. I agree with you. When it's twice. I agree with you, but here's why I disagree with you. I'm even more extreme. I think that hitting someone after the bell is grounds for disqualification. Yeah.

Because you know. You know. You know. You know. Bam! You know. Hands go down. Your whole mindset changes.

You're not expecting it. She definitely heard the bell. The guy was stepping in. She threw the shots. It's grounds for disqualification. I fought. You know, it's been a long time, but I did. And I heard bells, and I didn't hit anybody afterwards. You know what the fuck it is. Yeah. You know, it's been a long time, but I did. And I heard bells, and I didn't hit anybody afterwards.

You know what the fuck it is. Yeah. You know what it is. Well, if you do the point deduction, Holly wins that fight or a draw for sure. Jermaine Durand to me is fucking awesome. She's an awesome fighter. I mean, she's a 46-0, 10-time world Muay Thai champion. And for that to happen with her, it upsets me in two ways.

One, it upsets me because Holly got fouled. And two, it upsets me because she's a great fighter. For her to do something like that, I was like, why did you do that? Don't do that. And she rocked Holly. The problem is when you rock someone, who knows how much that affects them

for the rest of the fight. Holly is so badass. She not only came back from that, she came back from that one up head kicking Jermaine, dropping her and then rocking her. That short little hook that she threw that looked like an elbow at first. Was it a straight left? I thought it was like a hook coming in. When Holly rocked her?

It was a straight left that she was coming in, so it was just really short then. Perfect shot. She's an incredible striker. She's so badass, and that question mark kick that she hit her with over the top of the shoulder drops down and hits her in the head. Isn't it funny though that she hit her with over the top of the shoulder drops down hits her in the head Isn't it funny though that she doesn't she doesn't fight like a boxer in the octagon at all She fights much more like an American kickboxer

Well because she was also an American kickboxer and she's also trained by Mike Winklejohn Who's like one of the best American kickboxers from his era? Yeah, he was world-class in his time. He's really good Well, he fought he fought Rick Rufus, right. He fought some really good guys. He's a great striking coach, man. Very similar to when I'm in Dallas, Guy Mesger. Very similar style to that kind of stand-up kickball. Not as much head movement. Yeah, Guy Mesger's a good friend of mine. I love

that guy. He's really just an awesome guy. I won't get into personal stories, but he's been doing some really nice things. What kind of weird shit? Making out? No, no. He does some really nice things for people. He's the exact example of when people say fighters are meatheads, he's just a really kind-hearted guy. Well, he's definitely not really nice things. Making out? No, no, no. He does some really nice things for people. I mean, he's a really, he's the exact example of when people say fighters are meatheads, he's just a really kind-hearted guy. Well, he's definitely not a meathead. I'm more of a meathead than him, for sure.

He's not just a kind-hearted guy. He's very intelligent, soft-spoken. You never hear Guy Metzger yelling at people. And he's also, you know, he's worked really hard to mitigate some of his brain trauma and been really open about it, which I think is very, very, very important. Because it's like this silent thing that guys don't want to talk about the issues that they're dealing with from fighting. Yeah. Well, he also, did you ever hear the story about when he got into the fight in a parking lot? It was like a bunch of guys who jumped him.

Did you hear about that? Yeah. Well, how long? This wasn't that long ago. No, you're probably thinking the one where the guy had a knife and actually stabbed him in the hand because he got in between an altercation between a woman. You just don't do that. Just don't go out. Stay home. No, this

was something, maybe he may not want me to tell the story, but it was in a parking lot. Something happened. I don't know how it started, but what happened was there were three or four guys and all he did was he grabbed one guy, just got him to the ground somehow and put him in a chokehold and he told his friend, he said, if you come forward, I'm going to choke your friend out. And they just got back into their RAV4,

closed the doors, he let the guy go, they were gone. That's a really nice person. Most people would have just choked that guy out. Well, he also, he's a striker, he could have really hurt him. That's kind of the beauty of grappling, you can hurt them or not as much as you want to. And Guy Mesker is a very

high level striker. I mean, he's not known as a grappler. Well, he's a grappler, too. He choked out Tito Ortiz. That's true. He's one of his first UFCs. He just won Worlds at Brown in the senior division. Did he really? Yeah, in the Gi.

That's amazing. Yeah, he's still competing and doing that stuff. He's a pretty awesome guy. That's a nice thing for people that don't want to strike anymore. I know Babalusa Brawl, he's been doing a lot of grappling competitions and stuff. You know, guys that just have, like, taken a lot of head trauma, a lot of crazy fights, long careers. Yeah.

They still like to compete. They can do that. And, you know, Babalu has, I think it's Babalu's Iron Gym, I think that is what he calls it. And he's got a really nice high-level gym down in Orange County. That's an explanation. Every time parents take in their kids for lessons, they walk in and see Babalu.

He's a great teacher. No, no, he's a great guy. But they have to do that kind of, all right, let me lift one of the tattoos up his neck. Yeah, parents are going to be a little apprehensive. He's a great guy. He's a great guy, and he's a real pioneer. Babalu was in the early, early days of fighting.

There's a fight with him and Brad Kohler. It's one of the fucking scariest knockouts ever because it was back when you could soccer kick on the ground. And he dropped Brad Kohler because Babalu was one of the first Brazilian wrestlers, which a lot of people don't know. I mean, he was a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu and very good striker and all those things. But he also was on the Brazilian national wrestling team back in the day. And so Brad Kohler, who was like this really beefed up fucking just jacked dude, couldn't touch him on the feet. And Bob Lou eventually got him tired out.

And when he dropped him, got him down to the ground, he fucking soccer kicked him into oblivion. Those days when you could soccer kick someone who was already tired and down, those are dark days. But to put it into context, the Brazilian national wrestling team, they'd be like ventures to Oklahoma State wrestlers. It's just not even the same level. Maybe, but a high-level wrestler is a high-level wrestler.

Oh, yeah, it is. But it's like Sarah McMahon. She was silver at the Olympics. I remember when people said she was going to beat Ronda with her wrestling. I'm like, well, hold on a second. The talent pool in women's wrestling is nowhere near where it is at judo at that point. It's true. You just have women in Japan in judo who are animals.

Kayla Harrison, too, if you've been following her, she was actually one of the first guests on our show. She's just a monster. There's no one in female wrestling, no one who would even come close to her level of experience. And the same can be said about Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Brazilian jiu-jitsu, which isn't in the Olympics yet, but really should be, there's some phenomenal.

Have you seen Mackenzie Dern? Have you seen her compete in MMA? which isn't in the Olympics yet, but really should be, is there's some phenomenal, like, have you seen Mackenzie Dern? Have you seen her compete in MMA? I haven't seen it. Well, yeah, I saw highlights. She has one of the most badass chokeouts that I've ever seen in my life. She started with an omoplata, worked her way to this girl's back. She's got this move that she does where she gets a girl in an omoplata, and she rolls over onto her back and chokes this chick out.

Apparently, she hits this move all the time. Well, they teach something similar to that at Marcelo Garcia School in New York, where if ever someone's turtling, you wedge your knee into their ribs and their hip crease, and you kind of get around, not quite an omoplata, but you're bringing your other leg around their front, and you're wrapping and you're blocking. Let's say you're coming in from your right side. You block their left arm, which is something we actually would learn in judo quite a bit,

a really basic back take in judo. So you block it by taking an underhook and then grabbing wrist control? Yeah, so you're putting a knee in and you're grabbing wrist control around. So you're not putting a hook in, and when you control this, the way they taught it to me, like if you watch Marcelo Garcia,

they'll just go for the choke straight from there. They don't even need to get their hooks in. Right. And then you have Clark Gracie, who does the omoplata roll to the lapel choke. I mean, it really is. Omoplata is, I don't think there's been a submission from that in a long time, but it's a great setup. Well, there's only one

ever in the UFC history. It's Ben Saunders. This is Mackenzie Dern. Watch how she does this. The thing is, also, is that she's hot as fuck. And so she gets the omoplata. The girl tries to roll. Now watch how she handles this. When she gets her from thisata. The girl tries to roll. Now watch how she handles this.

When she gets her from this position. Oh, no, no. You got to go back. You got to go back. See, I shouldn't even have her hook. It's a highlight video. Oh, it's just a highlight video. So she doesn't need the hook.

What she does is she rolls. And you don't see it from that position. Well, that's a lot like a no-gi version of Clark Gracie's omoplata lapel choke. Let me see if they show it here. What she does is she gets up. and when she gets up on her hip She the girl rolls and then watch how she scrambles now. She takes her right arm. They don't show it She takes her right arm and she rolls underneath the girl. Yeah, anyway, you know her dad is Megaton Diaz who's world famous Yeah, you know very very respected Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt but um famous. Very, very respected Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. But one of the coolest things about

jiu-jitsu is it's almost like sentences and languages. There's so many different ways you can go with things. There's so many different possibilities. It's almost never-ending. Well, there's a guy like my dad. He's in his 50s and hasn't lost a point, let alone a round, competing up to purple belt. And he competes against guys who are 40 and open weight because there's no one his age and You know played hockey you of em high high level athlete and he's not super flexible. He's not gonna do a guard game He got really good at takedowns really good at trips really good at guard passing and side control a few chokes You know paper cutter chokes things like that and he's he's diverse enough where he can protect himself in areas But that's one thing too, you know when I was helping coach him for his first tournament,

I'm like, listen, in training you want to work these positions. You know, you want to work your guard. You want to work your half guard. But there's nothing that says in the competition you can't stuff the head, get up, and just come up on top. And when you realize that, when he competes, it's just getting out, getting on top, and if he gets on top, he's going to pass, you know, at his level, at a Purple Belt level.

Yeah, but the problem with that strategy is it only works if someone is's weaker than you like as soon as you find someone who's better at That game than you you have to have other options well if he's not good off of his back Someone's eventually gonna put him on his back. He's pretty good on his back That's good, but in a tournament the point is there's no unwritten agreement where we're working passing No, I mean so he can try his you know a scissor sweep Which is a big thing for him as a strong guy and if it doesn't work He can do a technical standout and come up. Well Halston Gracie has the best description of jiu-jitsu He said you do this then I do that then you do this then I do that forever

Yeah, I love that because it's like once if you try jiu-jitsu you go Yeah, that is what it is until someone taps taps. Like Hicks and Gracie has always been famous for saying about other athletes, other competitors, that if they can't keep the rhythm, they will lose. My rhythm. Meaning, not like George St. Pierre, but like meaning that he keeps attacking and you keep defending and keep attacking. Eventually, you're going to slip up. Right. And he's going to get a dominant position.

Sure. And then once from there... I'm not saying he's world class. I'm just saying he's able to learn a game. I know, you want to brag about your dad. It's okay. Help him with a drink. Come on, bro. Cheers. Thank you. Gentleman Jack, I guess. Oh no, that's normal Jack. This is a regular Jack. Mmm.

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It tastes like shit. Just be honest. It all tastes like shit. No. Well, if the rye you want it younger. With the bourbon, you want more of that char kind of flavor in there. Anyway, it's a good whiskey. The best whiskey can't fuck with Kool-Aid.

Kool-Aid tastes better than the best whiskey that's ever made. Just put vodka in Kool-Aid. What are you doing with Sinatra shit? I like the pain. I like feeling, I like the suffering. I like the suffering that comes with Jack Daniels. That's what I like. Really? I like when you shoot that shot down and you go, ah! You know exactly what you just did. You're not playing any stupid games. You know it's poison. Like, I'm here to enlighten myself. I'm here to spread love and karma. Is that what people do with horchata?

What's that with? Horchata is a Mexican drink. I'm thinking rumchata. Yeah, rumchata. Horchata is some shit you get tacos in an authentic joint. I was thinking rumchata. I misspoke. What's rumchata?

I don't even know what that is. It's like horchata, but alcoholic. And they sell it in a white bottle, and it's already pre-made. And it's just got the spices and whatever the dairy filler is and it's like a good thing to make terrible decisions on well not gay jared loves it so it fits in perfectly oh he loves your co-host not gay jared people like who the fuck is not gay jared he's my producer on my show um interesting so you were after this election where where do you line up now where are are you? Because beforehand, you were kind of, I mean, you saw the Black Lives Matter thing and you

talked about the issues with that. I'm more libertarian than anything. So did you go Gary Johnson? I did, but only because he did my podcast. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm like, you do my podcast, I'll vote for you for president. It's a deal's a deal.

Did he smoke pot during your podcast? He should have. We should have got him high, right? No, we talked pretty sensibly. I like Gary as a human. And I think he's a good guy. And I think that the Aleppo thing sunk that fucking boat like a goddamn torpedo. When he didn't know what Aleppo is, I'm like, oh, Gary.

Here's the thing. Plays good pool. Most people don't know about Aleppo. And that happened every, there was a spike in Google searches for Aleppo. And he doesn't know what Aleppo is. I didn't know. I didn't know about Aleppo. Yes. And that happened every, there was a spike in Google searches for Aleppo. And he doesn't know what Aleppo is. I didn't know. I didn't know about Aleppo. I knew that Syria was in a terrible, terrible situation.

And I knew the Syrian refugees that are fleeing. I knew the bombings. I knew all that. I didn't know the name of the city. The problem is, you know, he got caught not knowing the name of the city. And he should have known the name of the city. Like, if you ask me, you know, how do you think Matt Hume handles Mighty Mouse's career? I'd be like, who fucks Matt Hume?

If I said that, I shouldn't be doing MMA commentator ever again. But I'm a mixed martial arts commentator. That is part of my job. If you're running for president, it's part of your job to know the name of the city. That's true. The worst part was when he tried to cover it up.

What is Aleppo? Oh Syria Yes Got it He said it twice by in some time You know what I don't really know But I'm a libertarian so I wouldn't even be in Aleppo So what does it matter

Yeah but see I don't buy that either man Once you've entangled yourself in the world of politics Foreign politics and international politics The idea that you're not going to be there anymore Well we found out what happens with that in Iraq tangled yourself in the world of politics, foreign politics and international politics, the idea that you're not going to be there anymore. Well, we found out what happens with that in Iraq. We found out what happens with that in Libya. You create a vacuum and that vacuum is filled by terrible, terrible people. Well, particularly when you give them a timetable of when you're going to pull out.

Yeah. What a great idea. Yeah. You know, and everyone on the right was saying, well, listen, that's, that's a mistake. No, no, no. This is going to work well. Trust me. But in his defense, what the fuck else do you do?

I mean, do you stay there? Do you stay there? If you keep putting that in there, it's not going to light. Bitch, I know how to do this. I've been smoking a pipe for at least an hour. Afterward, I'll show you how to get it really rip-roaring. I'm already doing it like a man. I started like a baby.

What are you going to suffocate the flame? Lighters, bro. Yeah. Modern technology. Well, here is something that I do think we've seen afterward. Again, I wasn't a big Trump supporter with that. You want to go back to talking jiu-jitsu? We can. I don't give a fuck.

Let's talk jiu-jitsu. Let's talk politics. Let's talk Jack Daniels. With Bernie Sanders or whoever it is, you can't line up with the Black Lives Matter all the time. You can't line up with the pussy hat economics, the Women's March all the time. You can't line up with the anti-free speech protesters on campus all the time. You can't line up with the people online who want to ban voices of dissent all the time. You can't line up with we want to tax the wealthy.

Who can you line up with? Well, the point is people like Bernie or Hillary, when they do that, until you realize, hold on a second, there's a line and I've lined up with everyone except for the rest of America. And you see that in Los Angeles. It's an insulated bubble. People don't realize you know what, there are a lot of people out there. Keep saying that about Los Angeles. Or New York, whatever it is, the coastal cities. Why don't you relax?

Didn't you go to Colorado at one point because you hated it? No, I wanted to live, I do not like the population. I do love the mountains. Right. Bro, I got a straight off the mountain t-shirt on HoytArchery.com. Yeah, but that could be in Washington. No, it's a fucking bow hunter on that thing. I think that...

And you have chickens. Yes. Right? Yeah. I don't live in Los Angeles. Right. I live outside of Los Angeles. Yeah.

I have several locations in which I sleep. I think that there's a real problem with high population areas. And that problem is there's two things. One, there's a diffusion of responsibility. There's too many people. You just feel like they don't value each other because there's too many. Everyone's there. If you see an accident, you don't pull over to try to help because there's 100,000 people on the highway.

You just keep going. Yeah. If you saw that same accident on a single lane road in the country and, you know, some cops, you might pull over and help. You know, you might ask if they needed help. New Yorkers care about each other. You walk past the hobo on the street in New York for a lot of people. They just ignore it because they're so used to it. They did after 9-11.

They did after 9-11. You know, I went to New York after 9-11. We filmed a Fear Factor there. They did after 9-11. They did after 9-11. You know, I went to New York after 9-11. We filmed a Fear Factor there. And I'll tell you, man, it was a beautiful thing.

Because there was a real palpable, like a tangible feeling of community there that doesn't exist there anymore. No, it doesn't. It's gone. Also, the New York that existed in 2001 is not the New York that is here in 2016. No. You know, I've had some, like Judah Freelander, who's a friend of mine, who's a stand-up comic. He was telling me, he's like, dude, it's all bankers now. He's like, there's no artists in New York anymore. They can't afford it.

He's like, you go to Brooklyn, maybe? He's like, but in New York City, the rents are so fucking expensive, and there's so much international money in New York. I can tell you, that's flipped a little bit, having when I lived there. When did you live in New York City? I lived there when I was with Fox. Well, I lived there two different stints. One time sleeping on couches and one time this would have been 2011, maybe? 2011, 2012. And rent was

cheaper in Old Money Upper East Side than in the East Village or Lower East Side because that's where all the hipsters and the artists were. So they all wanted to be there now and the Upper East Side was seen as not cool. So I got the artists were so they all wanted to be there now and the Upper East Side was Seen as not cool So I got a place that was so inexpensive compared to if I wanted to live down, you know downtown So that's kind of switched. Mm-hmm, but no one none of the artists want to live with all the wasps There's always a problem when too many people have too much money and they're all congregated in one area because then they're just annoying It's annoying. They're all trying to buy the same fucking cars and houses. They talk like one of your boys.

We're Bertrand Russell. We smoke pipes and stomp on the little man. I think you're right. And I think it also, I mean, there's obviously, this is where leftists tend to congregate. Leftist ideology in big cities, right? They want you on public transportation. They want you dependent on the government. They want you riding bikes, bro.

No, they want you, well, bikes, public transport, but certainly they want to limit what kind of cars you can drive, how far you can drive them. You look at any big city. They definitely want to reduce independence. And there's a real out of touch in this. Well, do you think that's what it really is? No. They want to reduce carbon emissions. No. They don't want to reduce independence. No, I think

it's both. No. I absolutely think it's both. Come on, man. This is less conspiratorial than pizza gate. Stop. To say that people want you on buses and dependent on government just like they want you on welfare, they want you in public transit. The people don't. Maybe some percentage of the people do, but if Tesla came out with some car that you could drive across the country on one charge, you think people would be suppressing that? They would welcome it.

A zero emissions car that would give you total freedom? No one's going to try to suppress that. Yeah. The issue is... I think they would. I don't think so. How and why? How and why?

Well, the first thing they would do is remove all the government subsidies that make Tesla even remotely competitive. Who is they? This they shit is driving me crazy. I'm talking about the United States government and the subsidies that go into a Tesla, right? Prius could still be losing Toyota on everyone sold. But you look at the government subsidies, the government incentives. People don't want to buy these cars. Oh, that's not true. Well, Tesla, yeah, but not a Prius. That be losing Toyota on everyone sold. But you look at the government subsidies, the government incentives. People don't want to buy these cars.

Oh, that's not true. Well, Tesla, yeah, but not a Prius. That's not true either. I know a bunch of people who bought Priuses. Greg Fitzsimmons has a Prius. Brendan Schaub has a Prius. My buddies have Priuses. Brendan Schaub drives a Prius?

He's got a fucking Prius. How does he even fit in a Prius? And a Bentley. Well, there you go. Side note and Bentley. He's a fucking big gorilla. He barely fits in a Prius. I would say. Those things handle like trash. a fucking big gorilla. He barely fits in a Prius. I would say.

Those things handle like trash. They're shit cars. Bill Burr has a Prius. How about that? And a Jaguar. Exactly. See, that's exactly what it is. It's the white guilt symbol in Los Angeles.

So you can say, I got a Prius. This is the car I really want. No, you see, you say that, but it's people that don't want to spend a lot of money on gas. They bought, a lot of them bought them in 2012. No, no, here's the thing. If you don't want to spend a lot of money on gas, They bought, a lot of them bought them in 2012. No, no, here's the thing. If you don't want to spend a lot of money on gas, you would do the cost savings

estimation. You would see buying a used car, any used car, especially a Ford Fiesta, which would get more mileage than a Prius anyway. It's a white guilt symbol. No, it doesn't.

Yeah, it does. Ford Fiesta gets more money. They're American small cars. It will get over 40 miles per gallon. Yeah, but a Prius gets over 50. No. Pull it up, Jamie. This motherfucker.

Let's ride him into the rocks. Let's say it's an eight mileage difference. Yeah, but that's not what over 50. No. Pull it up, Jamie. This motherfucker. Let's ride him into the rocks. Let's say it's an 8 mileage difference. Yeah, but that's not what you want. You don't want an old car that's gonna break down. You want a new car that's reliable, that gets really good gas mileage, and that's what a Prius is. You really shouldn't be inhaling that, by the way. That's fucking pussy. No, seriously. That's gonna be tar straight into your lungs if you inhale that.

I'm switching to weed. You're driving me crazy. Um... Oh, this is so much better. Well, back to the... Well, there you go. All right, so what's that? A Prius is... That's a Ford Fiesta. Ford Fiesta.

All right, so 40 highway. 29 city, son. 40 highway. Now pull up a... Pull up a... Well, a Prius is going to have way more in a city because of the way the battery works. Because it's better, you son of a bitch. Did you drive a Prius? Your point sucks. No in the city because of the way the battery works. Because it's better, you son of a bitch. Did you drive a Prius?

Your point sucks. No. No. That wasn't the point, though. That was a side to the point. No, you were trying to say that if you really wanted to save money on gas, you would get a fucking shitty old Ford Fiesta, and that's nonsense. Absolutely.

Absolutely. 58 city. Yeah, absolutely. Son, are you looking at that? It's more in the city. Joe, Joe, you can yell about all you looking at that? It's more in the city. 58 city. Joe, you can yell about all you want, but here's the truth. You're wrong by many tens of miles per gallon.

You are incorrect if you look at the actual price of a Prius versus the best thing you can do for the environment is buy an old beater car. Buy an old Camaro that's horribly ungas. Who said that? It's $24,000. It's cheap as fuck for a car. No, you'd be better off buying an old beater car recycle than buying a Prius Listen, it's not even close. You dig your heels in you don't see the other side You have a real issue. If you want to drive a Prius, buy a Prius. You're like everybody else on the right. Two giant non-recyclable batteries

Dig your heels in. Two giant non-recyclable batteries. Non-recyclable for now, but much like nuclear waste. It's making a comeback You know that? They can make diamonds, batteries out of diamonds with nuclear waste now that last thousands of years. Yeah, but why do we want diamonds? Oh, they make batteries out of diamonds. Yeah, the nuclear waste, nuclear diamond waste batteries that last thousands of years. Nuclear energy that we could be using, but we can't be using because people thought it was worse for the environment. Well, we're using it. Whether people thought it was worse or not, the real issue is like the old plants, like Fukushima, that they have huge difficulties with shutting down.

Someone told me that Fukushima is not, you know what we were talking about the other day? That someone had said that the radiation levels are growing. They're saying it's not growing. That the real issue is aerosol or something. No, no, aerosols are the old global warming CFCs or whatever it was. No, but not aerosols. What was the airborne? Airborne radiation is an issue with Fukushima that they're monitoring it.

Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. But, you know, my point on that one is why are leftists, for example, against the sharing economy? Why would Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton be against it? No, no, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, their platform. Let's just abandon left versus right and just look at people. What are the people?

Who are the people that have an issue with this thing? Why is Bernie Socialist Sanders against the sharing economy? You give him a nickname? Yeah. You son of a bitch. He's a socialist. He's a self-abandoned European socialist. Why would they be against the sharing economy?

Makes a couple hundred thousand dollars a year. Let's stay on this one. He does well. I'm bouncing around. What?'s let's let's stay on this does well around What are you telling me? Bouncing all over. I know I should bring up your fucking dog again. What about your dad is a jiu-jitsu guy? Oh, you said you want to not talk about politics. So I talked about your Say I don't want to talk about this is a point to share ever say that it Jamie Uber and Airbnb shouldn't everyone be on board with that

Can I ever say that, Jamie? Uber and Airbnb. Shouldn't everyone be on board with that? Why do you have people like Bernie Sanders or Nancy Pelosi banning them, or Austin politicians and constituents banning them from their city? If we're talking about sharing, socialism. Yeah. You can't do Uber and Austin.

Bernie Sanders doesn't want Uber, doesn't want Airbnb. Why do you think they're doing that? Do you think they're doing that because they want taxis to survive? No, I think they're doing it because just like people like to throw out this big conspiracy about big bankers and their own self-interest, which is true, I think that people don't want to acknowledge that the left is beholden to giant cabbie unions who are punching people in the face in New York because Uber removes their surcharge and decides to ignore the Trump travel ban. I think they're against Airbnb because they're beholden to, for example, the culinary union who might work certain hotels. Did you sneak in an aside about the Trump travel ban we talked about No, no, that was a half. They ban people were protesting an uber in New York City

Right, they went in and they were still going to the airport the cabbies unions in New York said we're not gonna go and so people Were punching uber drivers people getting furious about it saying you're scams You're coming in uber actually removed their surcharge because remember all the airport protests, right? It was a quagmire. No, I don't I don't Oh, yeah during the airport murder the trump's travel ban there are protests at all these different airports right about that yeah well what does that have to do with uber the point is in new york right the cabbies unions went on strike they said against the travel ban right oh so uber's going in weren't clear and they're removing their surcharge well if we're talking about the sharing economy if we're talking about bringing in refugees and resettling them against

people's will right because we want to be compassionate. Right. Well, just take that and say, okay, instead of resettling refugees against somebody's will because you want to share, what about somebody deciding to share their car at an agreed upon service or share their house? And the left, the political left, has fought against that vehemently. It is so remarkably inconsistent. How so? They want Uber banned. Who is this they? Is this across

the board? Let's go with Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren. What they want to do is either get Uber banned in cities, as you see in cities like Austin, or in cities in Europe, or they want to make sure that unions, that cab unions either get first right, or that Uber hires these union workers. Okay, well I

definitely have an issue with that. So let's pull up that, that Bernie Sanders is in favor of banning Uber, Bernie Sanders Uber. And let's break that down and unpack it. Because I think when something comes along that's better and it fucks with a business that is worse, the better thing should win because that's progress. Sure. I think Uber is progress. I think uber is progress I think lyft is progress. I think what lyft is doing and what these these

Programs are doing where you have an application on your phone You can turn it on and off anytime you want you can work anytime you want as long as they? Certify and test you and run and make sure you're not a crazy. As long as they know where you are at every time, they can actually monitor your location through GPS, which they can. And everybody saves money, and the people who drive the car make money. You can make like $35 an hour doing that. Wouldn't you rather do that if you have a car like a Prius that gets 50 fucking 8 miles to the gallon?

Wouldn't you rather do that? So I'm in favor 100% in progress. And I think that anybody that opposes that, because somehow or another it's going to challenge other people's jobs. When it comes to something like Uber versus cab, in my opinion, this is pretty black and white. This is a new technology, a disruptive technology that benefits a lot of individual users. Hence, it's good. Well, it also benefits the middle class more than anybody. And there's no union for Uber drivers.

That's the big problem. So there's no lobbying and there's no money that goes to politicians. Well, that's the big problem. So I'm not aware of this. You're more balls deep in politics than I am. So Jamie's going to pull up a story and we're going to figure out what the fuck is wrong with Bernie Sanders' take on it from an individual point of view. Yeah, or you can look up European cities that have banned it or Austin. I know it was a huge issue in London. I remember

watching those cab drivers that had decided to block streets. They decided to shut their cars off in the middle of the street and literally stop cars from passing. People had to go way around them and it was a huge issue. The reason the term political left and right matters right now, to me anyway, it may not matter to some people, but the reason it matters to me is because you do look at one side of the political spectrum right now. And I think the line's been pretty clear in this last election where there's an ideological divide and where one is deliberately looking at marginalizing and targeting and dividing victimized groups. And they do so and ignore other groups of people who are victimized as a result of them complaining about victimization. Okay, like, this is that's very vague.

Okay, so let me give you, you want a concrete example? Let's find this with Bernie Sanders. I want you to hold this thought. I was trying to find a quote about what he had, so here's what I guess he has problems, serious problems with it. Serious problems with popular mobile ride-hailing

service Uber. Speaking with Bloomberg, the Democratic presidential candidate cont contender rather, called the service unregulated, wading into one of the most closely watched economic debates of the 2016 race. Workers on demand at on-demand economy companies like Uber, Airbnb, or Lyft are considered independent contractors and therefore do not receive the benefits and protections afforded to full-time employees. Okay, so I could see that, but they do make more money, right? Isn't that correct?

Well, they don't have to pay a huge commission to the cabbies union, and they're totally independent. And they have their own car, and they make more money. I mean, is that true? Let's make sure that that is true. It doesn't matter if it's true. If people have the choice to do Uber. Let's just Google Uber drivers make more than car companies versus how much Uber

makes from their drivers. Because that's the real issue. Like say Uber's a company, okay, and they're pimping out all these drivers and they're making shit tons of money and then they're not giving the drivers enough then people have issues with it. I think they take a much smaller commission than the cab drivers. I don't have a number in front of me.

Reiterate, I'm pro-Uber, 100%. I have a friend of mine who's actually a big wig at Uber. I think it's great. Even if I wasn't. What's the matter with this? How Uber fails to prove its drivers make more than taxi drivers. That's Huffington Post. Those sons of bitches.

They feel the need to be on the defensive. Oh, that's the blaze. No, no, they feel the need to be defensive. How they fail to prove. Let's read what they say. How they fail to prove. What does that mean? I don. Oh, that's the Blaze. No, no, they feel the need to be defensive. How they failed to prove. How they failed to prove. What does that mean? I don't know. Let's find out. That means there's a claim and Huffington Post can't disprove

it, but they're saying Uber's failed to prove it. So this isn't going to help anybody. Stephen Crowder, read the fucking quotes before you get crazy and defend. You're so right wing. I am very right wing. Time.com then instead. Hand me that beer, son.

Time.com. Oh, Uber me that beer, son. Time.com. Oh, Uber reveals how much its drivers really earn, sort of. Uber has long said that drivers get paid more than traditional cabbies, but do they really? Driver survey strikes and class action lawsuits suggest otherwise. Most recently, BuzzFeed. Is that okay? Is it okay if it's BuzzFeed? Is that too left wing?

You fuck? Yeah, BuzzFeed is fake news. I mean, you're... Fake news. Fake news. BuzzFeed, BuzzFeed. Is that okay? Is it okay if it's BuzzFeed? Is that too left-wing? You fuck? Yeah, BuzzFeed is fake news. Fake news. Fake news. BuzzFeed, you're fake. Estimate the terrible Trump impression that drivers in Denver, Detroit, and Houston make less than $13.25 an hour after expenses using calculations based on more than a million trips. Well, that's not good. This spring, Uber was hit with two class action lawsuits from drivers in Florida and Illinois who seek to recover unpaid overtime wages and other expenses. This is after the company...

This is our goddamn shitty... No, we have one shitty TV that can't handle an HDMI cable, and it cuts out every minute and a half. We have one of those. ...who seek to recover unpaid overtime... Unshitty TV that can't handle an HDMI cable and it cuts out every minute and a half. We have one of those. When, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,s. But if they have lawsuits, and if there is a lawsuit that does make sense enough where a judge decides that they're going to rule against Uber. Okay. I mean, I don't know the law. Do you? Do you know if they're in violation? make a strong enough case where they would show the legality of it to the point where it wouldn't lose a $100 million lawsuit? No, I wouldn't assume. Do you know anything about the lawsuit?

Well, here's what I would know, whether it's a right to work state or not, and that would determine the lawsuit. And that's why people like Bernie Sanders, and that's why people, oh, geez, what happened there? You opened that too fast? Oh, bro. Just go. Do it like you did the pipe. there? You opened that too fast? Oh, bro. Just go. Do it like you did the pipe. I'm not scared. Just get enough of them, bro.

So it depends on if it's a right-to-work state or not. I don't care. Right, okay. If they make less than cab drivers, I don't care. Well, let's illuminate people. What is the difference between a right-to-work state? Effectively means you don't have to join a union. It means you can work without being a part of the labor union.

So that would determine the case. Just for example, that's why when we do hidden camera videos, we have to make sure that it's a one-party consent state as opposed to a two-party consent state. Right, like Nevada, when they used to do those prank call shows, they would do like, you remember Crank Yankers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would do it in Nevada.

Right, because California is a one-party consent state. No, it's two. Nevada. No, no, but California's one. What do you mean? California, well, again, is the definition wrong? No, no. What I'm thinking is we both have to agree. Is that true? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They would do it in Nevada instead of California. Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, right. In Nevada, you can call me up and prank me. You can't do it in California. I wouldn't have to agree. Right. That might have changed.

It might change. For example, in Michigan, it was really controversial. It was a one-party consent state that, depending on the judge, read as a two-party consent state. So that's really scary because you can be in the clear, right? We recorded a prank call or we found some kind of corruption and it should be legal. But there's a little wiggle room where they can say, actually, this isn't legal and you committed a felony. Oh. So that's a problem with that.

Okay. So in these right-to-work states, when you have this Uber situation, is the issue that it's taking cabs out of business or is the issue that they are not paying people enough and they're taking cabs out of business? So the people, like the cab drivers, if they switched over to becoming Uber drivers, they would actually lose money because these companies aren't regulated. So they don't have to pay insurance, health insurance. I mean, that seems like what the issue is, right?

That's what they would say the issues are. It's not true? Well, no, it's not necessarily true. And again, that depends on the state. So first off, I would want to clarify just for people listening, it would not be the right-to-work states. The right-to-work states would be fine. Right. A right-to-work state means I have the right to say, hey, do you want to work for this amount?

And you have the right to say yes. A non-right-to-work state. As long as it's above minimum wage, everybody's cool. Yeah. I mean, as cool as you can be, right? And what is a non-right-to-work state? Depending on the profession, if there's an established union in that profession, you can't work outside of that union, right?

Now, is that the case with trades like plumbing, being a carpenter, auto repair? Yeah, generally speaking. Does auto repair, do they have a union? Depends on the state. Depends on the state. But Chael Sonnen actually would have some stories about his dad being in the plumber's union. He has some stories about that. Vince Vaughn has some funny stories about that. He's told actually when he worked at his dad's paper mill.

But to go back to it again, first off, I don't care. If someone agrees to this price and this service, I believe that's a marketplace of ideas and services and you have the right to do it. And I have the right to provide those services. Now, if Uber is doing a poor job, thank God there's Lyft, right? Because there's some competition there. But if the government steps in and says, no, you have to use the cabbies unions. Well, even then you can artificially increase wages at the expense of the taxpayer who now has to pay more for a taxi ride.

So I don't care. I think that people should be able to make their own decisions if they want to Even then, you can artificially increase wages at the expense of the taxpayer who now has to pay more for a taxi ride. So I don't care. I think that people should be able to make their own decisions if they want to do Uber, if they want to rent out their house in Airbnb. And I don't think that Nancy Pelosi in the Bay Area representing her district should have any say in whether I can rent out my place in Airbnb. Well, I agree with you 100% on that. And I think there's also a real problem with people resisting change because technologically influenced change is coming at such a high rate. There's no way you can put a finger in all the holes in the dam. It's just you can't do it. Yeah.

There's too many things that are happening. They're going to change the way we communicate, change the way we do business, change everything from top to bottom. You're not going to be able to stop it. So anytime you're trying to stop something like an Uber, the only thing that I think is that you got to figure out how's the money being distributed and is that fair? And if it's not fair, what's the solution? Because is the solution alert people to what the actual numbers are and let it all sort

itself out? Right. Or is it passing regulation? I'm a firm believer that the less regulation you have, the better. Right. And that's what- As long as it's not like environmental pollution type shit or crime or- Well, that's what Adam Smith talked about, the invisible hand, right? That moves the market. I certainly believe that the market is more efficient at regulating itself than the government

creating a monopoly. Well, also because unions can be influenced. And when you get large groups of people together, I think it's good because what a union can do is they can say, hey, we're going to stand strong. We're not going to let these people take advantage of us like some sort of slave labor factory in the Middle East or wherever the fuck it is. We're going to figure out a way to – if you work here, you're going to get an honest wage. And I'm 100% with that. The problem is that you get giant groups of people that you

can't go against. Someone's going to be in control of those giant groups of people. I'm glad that you're touching that. That's an important point. It's no different than being the mayor of a city or the leader of a country. It's no different than being beholden to Goldman Sachs or J.P. Morgan. If you look at the top political donors, you can bring that up

from Open Secrets, if you look at the top 20, it's like 16 out of the top 20 are big unions. So this idea that it's big banks and the Koch brothers and energy companies, no one wields more influence in American politics today than big unions, particularly the Democratic Party. Because it's power and because they can influence the people that are members. They can also take dues from you, give 100% to Democrats and you have no say. Well, it's one of the big contributors to the war against drugs. One of the big things that's happening in this country is the prison guard unions have spent money to ensure that innocuous things like marijuana, they stay illegal. Because if they stay illegal, then they keep their jobs.

Like, they've literally fought for that. Like, fought to keep more people in cages because that would earn them more money. That's really what it is. We break it down to black and white. Did you just make a joke about the discriminatory prison system in the United States? That was cold. I didn't say black and white because I meant black and white people.

I meant black and white in terms of the reality of the situation is that prison guard unions are spending money and using their influence to ensure. It didn't work. Influence. Influence. Sound like from South.

Influence. To ensure that marijuana stays illegal. And the reason why they're doing that is because they profit off of it. So that's not an altruistic ideal. That's not someone who cares about the people that they represent. That's not someone who cares about their community as a whole. That's someone who's looking out for their best interest in a way that is negative towards the general population. I agree with you. And I think that's where the wool was pulled over people's eyes with people like Bernie. Well, he's from the people.

He's never gotten big donors. That's actually not true if you look at the collective donations from union members and from union organizations. And when you look at that, and what bothers me is when people follow the money trail on only one side and act as though the political left is unbeholden to people. That's the big point, what you just said, on one side, because I think you can see the benefits in unions as well. You can see the benefits in protecting wages and making sure that people get insurance and making sure that people live a good life. That if you're going to work for this company, you're going to be well compensated. And there's going to be an agreement between the workers and the people that run the company. Well, there's a problem with that.

And the problem with that is... But there's not always a problem with that. There is. Occasionally, sometimes... No, that's the rule rather than the exception. And I talked about this when we talked about the Walmart CEO, for example, makes $19 million, right? People are furious about that.

Well, Walmart employs 2.5 million people, 1.5 million people full-time. So he's getting less than, well, if you add up all the workers, not the full-time workers, it would be less than $10 per person he's employing and providing an active living. So when you have workers who say, well, he has $19 million. I have no million. 19 is 19 more millions. These people, they pick an arbitrary number. That's more than I have. I have no million. 19 is 19 more millions. These people, they pick an arbitrary number. That's what Bernie Sanders was doing with the debate with Ted Cruz. Whether you like him or not, it was such a floor mopping because Bernie

Sanders dealt with these phantom fears and again, tried to victimize groups and marginalized groups. And my point that I was talking about there is, for example, we talked about the victimized groups, the marginalized groups who don't have insurance in the country, right? It was 40 something thousand. Well, most of them were young people who chose not to buy insurance. So now you can stand your parents' insurance until 26. There you go. We bought some votes. So you talk about them, and they're getting more affordable insurance now.

And now the play is we're going to take all these people off of insurance. Okay, so we're talking about that victimized group, people who didn't buy insurance. But what about the people who've seen their premiums go up, Hardworking Americans, 40-something percent, 24% on average. In certain states, 46%, sometimes 60-something percent, their premiums have gone up. Why don't we talk about the ramifications of the everyday Americans who now can no longer afford health care insurance and don't qualify for a government subsidy? And if you look at the trend, I will argue this, and I'll dig my heels in if I feel I have to, the political left seeks to divide and conquer and find for sure the most victimized group of that day. How so? What do you mean the most victimized group of that day to do what?

Well, I think, well, like right now, for example, I'm just using that as an example, because you said a concrete example with Obamacare. So right now, these people aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Well, there are a ton of people. Let's not go too far away from unions, because we're way out into the Obamacare. So right now, these people aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Well, there are a ton of people. Let's not go too far away from unions. Okay. We're way out into the Obamacare pool. Well, no, because we were talking about that.

That pool is deep and long. No, no, it's not. It's really not. Obamacare is a deep, long pool. You subsidize, technically, healthcare at the cost of other taxpayers who couldn't afford it. And now they can't afford healthcare. Let's start from the beginning, because you went way out there. And you started out with the CEO. I went out there.

And you have Alex Jones on the show, and I went out there. You went out there in terms of you covered so many different things before anybody could address either one of them. You have to slow down and take it point by point. You said that this guy makes so much money that if everybody gave him $10, why should they give him $10? Here's the thing. What is this guy doing? Because it's the single biggest employer of people in the United States. But what, he's just a guy who works for them. He doesn't even own it.

Why does this guy make so much money? I'm not saying he should. I'm not saying he shouldn't. Maybe he should make that much money. Right. But why defend that? Why defend that? Why not? Well, here's the point. See, that's like getting into the... If you say, can I get a raise? And they say no. And you go, wait, that guy makes 15 fucking million dollars a year and he doesn't even work.

What does he do? He sits behind that desk and punches keys. Let me unpack what you just said. There are a lot of assumptions. He doesn't work. Why does that guy make that much money? How much? Obviously.

That's me sometimes. This is the guy who's in the factory. This guy doesn't even have a real job. He gets driven around a fucking limousine. He gets 15 million. We can't get a raise. That's my point. Well, you can just tell them, this is too much.

But don't you think, and this is what I think, if that guy really does make that amount of money, he's probably like, how the fuck am I pulling this off? All he's doing is extracting numbers from some system by his choice. I don't think so at all. Ones and zeros and moving things around and making sure the profit margin trees. And he gets a piece of that, and he's just living like a fucking baller on a yacht, a golden bikini with a bottle of fucking Dom Perignon.

Why is he a cross-dresser now? He's having fun. He's having fun. He's fucking balling. He made $15 million this year. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. But there's room for debate as to what a job is worth. And I think that we do a good job on my show of having people on who disagree and engaging in those debates.

We don't just say, you're an idiot, you're a racist. But about this subject right here. Just about this subject right here. I think you make a lot of assumptions. How do I make an assumption? There's room to debate how much a job is worth. Yes, there is room to debate. But it should be determined by the value of a company and the services rendered, not some arbitrary number because Bernie Sanders

throws at a percentage point. I'm not saying that he's right. I'm just saying, well, I think it's totally within the interest of all the people that work for a company that are critical to this company actually working, to figure out, like, hey, how much should we get for this? How much do they get? And when one guy's getting 15 million

bucks, and the other guy's getting $15 an hour, and you get out like this guy, if this guy doesn't work, this guy doesn't get any money. Like these people have to work. If they didn't work, the CEO would make $0 because there would be no profit. So someone has to work. So I don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse to discuss how much a person should make to be a CEO.

No, I don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse. I do think people are wrong when they say, for example, to take your argument, how much a person should make to be a CEO. No, I don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse. I do think people are wrong when they say, for example, to take your argument, how much a CEO should make. I think that's silly. You shouldn't be able to determine that. I don't think you should either. Just like I don't think you should be able to say $15 an hour for putting together fish fillets.

If some super baller, you know, fucking Steve Jobs type character comes in and starts running a company and all of a sudden it goes blockbuster through the roof and becomes Apple I don't think you should be able to say that guy doesn't deserve way more money than the average person goes fucking of course he does yeah that guy is an obsessed genius who's making this who determines what's okay exactly who does determine I think the market does but isn't it a relationship between the people who are this is Bernie Sanders point of of view, I would imagine. Right.

The people that don't have a say. The people that are making the least amount of money, they're the easiest to replace, and they're the ones that are worried about being treated fairly. Well, first off, I would say. Have you no heart? Exactly. That's what they get mad. They say, you're a conservative, therefore you don't care about poor people Do you care about poor people?

I was sleeping out of an 82 Datsun When I first lived in Los Angeles I cared about myself, let's put it that way I used to be in high school, but I don't want to talk to those fucks Back in the day But that's the thing that they'll say Write a tribute motive And I think we both know, I think you don't do it, I don't do it

I don't attribute motive I don't say you, you do this because you hate poor people or you do this because, but you do have to look at the numbers and you do look at a certain point when people say they're underrepresented, they have no voice. Well, that's not true with union workers. They have a huge voice. They have huge political influence. These people don't not have a voice. They have a voice. They have the media, the entertainment industry. They have, uh, you know, the entire music industry has been so far left for so long pushing for these same ideas. Not country.

A lot of those people are actually pretty far. Kid Rock, which is how most of them are, are pretty far left. Country music is not far left. So you're taking an extreme... Toby Keith, get the fuck out of Dodge. Toby Keith. Well, stop. You remove country.

It's one of the biggest genres of music in this country. Not only that, I bet they sell more fucking albums than anybody. Is country going out there and making Redacted and lions for lambs and rendition and avatar and all these these is that anti? Corporate screeds the point is I know what you're talking about. What do you say his country is not a part of the movie You know we're saying yeah, it's a fucking movie about aliens bro avatar The movie is possibly the biggest piece of neo environmentalist propaganda you The movie is possibly the biggest piece of neo environmentalist propaganda Pizza game you son of a bitch did you see James?

Is a fucking amazing movie blue aliens and love just out of boredom that guy fell in love with that blue alien He became one of them bro. He was paralyzed they put him inside the blue alien mind James Cameron could buy an island and paint people blue and have them run around for the rest of his life if he wanted instead He decides to print them out on blu-rays using petroleum bro. It was a dope movie, and you're a fucking communist Communist some fucking great movie. I hate it. No. I hated it. I thought it was a terrible Christ dude is great Really fucking flying dragons Badass Marines what else do you want what kind of a pussy am I talking to? What happened to you? You've been up in Michigan too long It's too cold in the winter

It's too cold in the winter Therefore I need to like Avatar Bro, it's bad for your brain You don't think straight You just want to stay home Do you actually like Avatar? Or is it satire? Great, can't wait for Avatar 2

Really? Heard it's underwater Even better They just stole that idea from Mario Level 2, let's make it underwater James Cameron is a bad motherfucker. He's one of the best directors of all time. Sure.

His movies are classic. He's a great director. He's also a political moron. I don't care about his politics. He makes great movies. No, but that's not the point I was making. That tree of life for the Na'vi went to. See, I was talking about the media, the entertainment industry, the backlash.

For someone who, I'm not even a huge supporter of Donald Trump. Neither one of us are. So I think we can be relatively objective. So let's remove country. But if you look at the internet, have you turned on CNN recently? I'm going to drink. Slow down. Have you turned on CNN recently?

Cheers. Cheers. Wow. Oh my God. Drink it. Gotta go to the airport. This is literally like, this is like the guy in high school. Why don't you relax?

If you love me, you'll drink it. That was a dope movie. It was horrible. The guy in high school, if you love me, you'll drink it. That was a dope movie. It was horrible. The guy in high school, if you love me, you'll drink it? Who the fuck were you partying with? Guys like you, apparently. Kid Rock being considered as potential Senate candidate. Did you see that today?

Hold the fuck on. Is that true? He's a bow hunter. In Michigan. I'm with him. I'm voting for him. I actually just saw his interview with Dan Rather last night. It was pretty interesting.

Yeah? He's a lot smarter than I think I'd give him credit for. He's not a dumb guy. He's not a dumb guy. And have you ever seen him live? No, I have not, but I like what he does. You know what he does? He puts a lot of effort into it.

He gives extremely low ticket prices, like 20 bucks, for a guy like him that's huge, sells out these places, and he gets a piece of the booze. He's smart. He's a smart guy, and he's giving his audience a good deal. He makes a good deal with the venues. Like, look, if Kid Rock's showing up, this fucking place is selling out. So let's just make a deal. Let's make a deal. And his deal is really smart.

I like what he's doing. Well, that's a good example of a guy not being forced to do it. Yeah. Right? He's just doing it because he wants to do something that helps people. Plus, he's got a dope Cadillac. You ever seen his Cadillac? I haven't. He had one of them West Coast Customs custom-made Cadillac. It was the shit, man. Pretty goddamn impressive.

That might make sense. He started a beer company. They took an old Caddy and redid it. Remember that? So that might make sense. He started? Yeah, he started a beer company. It was called like Badass, American Badass or something Beer.

I like Kid Rock. There, I said it. Do you like his music? Yeah. Or do you just like him as a dude? No, I like him, man. Some of his music is not bad. I agree with you.

Some of his music is really not bad. Look at that Cadillac. It's become popular to crap on him. I like him as a dude. No, I like him, man. Some of his music is not bad. I agree with you. Some of his music is really not bad, and it's become popular to crap on him. I like him for that Cadillac. He's unabashedly friends with Ted Duget. Are you still really into cars? I love cars. I remember I was listening to your podcast once, and you said it's only to the point when you make so much money that you no longer care about money.

You used your car as an example. You said, for example, I got a dent or something in my car. At one point, it would have lost my mind because that car meant so much. And now it's just like, okay, it's only a car. So that was a good point though, that you made that when you have enough money, it's kind of like, it's what I call guerrilla Buddhism. Okay. Like the idea of there's, there's part of Buddhism that you should not be attached to items. You should not be attached to objects. And you, you know, I have a friend of mine who became Buddhist monk and he wouldn't even have sex anymore. He gave up on sex,

all carnal pleasure, all pleasure, all attachment to women, attachment to relationships. And the idea is that you don't want to be connected to that because what you are connected to owns you. And my take on that was, okay, but how does it have to own you like can you just enjoy automobiles can't you enjoy engineering you say that you can't have a you know you can't own a thing can't possess a thing i feel like that is so ignorant of the world that we live in it's so ridiculous you pretend you're choosing to act in a way that you're ignoring this amazing technological revolution that is going on right before your eyes. And it is going to fucking happen whether you ride a bike to work or not.

It's going to happen. It's what people do. We are a part of this cascade of electronic progress, of electronic innovation, and it's never going to stop. No, and that's... Until we kill ourselves. I want to go back to that point, the car, but that would be a good analogy there, right? But this is my thing about objects.

We put Radio Shack out of business because of iPhones, or we put radio transmitters out of business. I want to talk cars. No, no, but there's nothing wrong with appreciating things that people make, whether it's an automobile, whether it's a painting, a sculpture. I feel like cars are like, people look at them as just transportation. And I totally appreciate that because they are. If you get a Prius, it's just transportation. I said they're works of art. If you get a 1969 Mustang, that is a goddamn marvel

of time. It is a moment where people decided to just create something that just looks inherently like collectively badass. No one looks at a 69 Mach 1 and goes, that's fucking gross. If you do, fuck you. I don't even know what that is. If you do, fuck you, right? If you look at a 69 Mustang, you don't say, wow, that's crazy looking. That's amazing. But isn't that a big irony that you're able to appreciate it and not be attached to it

because you've been more financially successful? Well, that's what I say. I mean, that's the whole point of this whole thing. It's not a rational, normal position to take because most people are behind the eight ball all the time and always need to pay their bills. Look at that car. Look behind you, sir.

Look at that guy. Oh, is that a TV network? Yeah. Well, it cuts in and out. We talked about that earlier before you were drunk. That's a fucking amazing car, man. That 1969 Mustang is a marvel.

It all came together. They figured it out. They just figured out some way to make something that just is incredibly pleasing to your eyes and doubles as transportation. Do you have one? No, I should get one, right? All I talk about?

You can. There's a company that takes them, and this is what I like. They take the inside of it and the engine and all that stuff out, and they put a 2012 Shelby GT500 inside of it. So you get anti-lock brakes, you get airbags, you get everything. And then they put it together and sell. That's the way to go. This was actually my experience with very nice cars.

I went to buy a car, and I had very little money. So I went and I looked. There was a 2003 Ford Taurus with like 60,000 miles on it. An old guy had cataracts, so they took away his license. You know, I can drive. I'm like, no, they took away his license. So I went in to buy this Taurus. The guy took like four grand for it.

Not a great car. It's getting you from point A to point B, but I had to walk through cars one from George W. Bush One for I can't remember the singer and there was one that was the exact same model of car that James D Died in apparently they're only like 13 horses spider. You had a Porsche, but no no I didn't have it I walked through it. Here's the crazy thing this guy well Let me finish so This guy who was selling this old 2003 Taurus. What are you, a ghost? This is what he drove, right? But you know what his business was? What? His business

was customizing cars like that Porsche Spyder and doing high-end cars. People like George W. Bush. The nicest cars in the country and he drove a 2003 Ford Taurus that I bought from him. It was the most, it was just this surreal experience walking through these cars that, I mean, you don't even want to touch, right? You don't want to put a fingerprint on it.

And this guy, I found out later, was a multimillionaire, could afford any car that he wanted. He had a 2003 Taurus. Well, some people do that because they want to stay low key and they just want to just kind of chill. Yeah. You know, there's that. There's definitely that. Like, Henry Rollins drives a Mazda 6. He drives, like, there's that. There's definitely that. Like, Henry Rollins drives a Mazda 6. He drives, like, a regular car.

And the reason why he does it is because he's just, like, he doesn't give a fuck. Henry wants to, like, sit in front of his gigantic $200,000 speakers and listen to records. Yeah. Like, he doesn't care about his car. So, like, for him, it's like he doesn't want to ball. He doesn't want to floss. He wears the same T-shirt. He has, like, 100 gray T-shirts.

He wears the same thing every day, he said. Well, he's a fascinating character in that regard because he's a guy who has financial means. He's a very wealthy guy, but he chooses not to spend it on things like that. Yeah. Well, it's like my dad gave me this analogy one time where talking about cars, the ability to appreciate it, but you don't need it. It's like air, right? If all of a sudden you stopped breathing, you don't have air, all you can think about is breathing, right? That's the first thing. Well, just like in jujitsu, if you're being suffocated by a 300 pound guy inside control. Um, well, it's the same thing with money. If you take away the money, all you can think about is money because you need money. And my point was like we

were talking about earlier is we don't want people in those positions determining exactly what I have to do with my money. Well, conversely, personally, as soon as you get money, you get this stress alleviation that's palpable. I mean, I'm sure it's happened to you because you've been really successful over the last few years. When you all of a sudden don't worry about whether or not you could pay your gas bill this month, it's a different feeling. Until I was 25 years old,

every day of my life was check to check. Every day, I was barely, I mean, fucking barely, you know, lying to the landlord. I sent it. What happened? You know? I mean, everybody who's been in that situation where you're, like, literally wondering, how much can I spend today to eat? You know?

And I've been there, and we've all been there. I got a development deal way back in the day with Disney, of all people. Disney? Yeah, of all people. I was on a Disney show. Because you were just there like, he's a young, good-looking guy. Let's put him into Disney. I was a little stud muffin when I was young. Then they saw your set and they're like, um... No, I was boy pretty. They wanted me on TV.

Well, it was, you know, 1993 or something like that. So I got a development deal because I did an MTV half-hour comedy hour. Remember those shows? Yeah, I do. I did one episode of the mtv half hour comedy hour and i got a development deal from disney because of it i got like this little thing and there's they sent me some money and uh as soon as they sent me some money it was like literally like someone just took a weight like lifted it like i was carrying around a weighted backpack right whole life, and they took it off.

And it wasn't enough money where I was wealthy where I could say, I don't have to work again. But it was enough money where I didn't have to think about money for a year. And so all of a sudden I was like, wow, this is what it feels like to not worry about your bills. I've never felt this before. And then I became obsessed with maintaining that position. Once you realize that, I was like, oh my God, I'm a bulldog. I'm going to work constantly. I'm going to do stand-up.

I'm not quitting anything. That's why I worked too much. Why was that? Because I realized how important it is to not be dependent on anyone. Yeah. To not change. Like, here's the thing about, look, you're talking about Hollywood and the way people behave in Hollywood. In many ways, it's a self-enforcing ideology in that you know that someone like Meryl Streep,

who gets up in front of the Golden Globes or whatever the fuck it was and says crazy shit. Which are not the real arts. Right. But when she's saying that, what she's doing is she's is, it's a war cry for the like-minded. There's no reason to say that for any other reason. She wants to rally the troops. She wants to enforce her ideas, and she wants to make sure that everyone is on board. And the reason she said something so stupid is because...

She's royalty, but she's Hollywood royalty. And because of that, she would say something that stupid that was received the way it was because she probably ran it by a bunch of people beforehand. I doubt that. But the point is, not a single person there, they all roared and cheered. Of course. Not a single person there goes, what? Of course.

They're surrounded by people. But what I'm saying is that those people that are reacting to that, they may agree with it or they may feel like they have to agree with it. I don't ever want to be the guy who feels like he has to agree with something. I grew up in a weird way where my parents got, they broke up when I was really young and we moved around a lot and I didn't have roots. I didn't live in one place until Massachusetts when I was 13. I lived there for a long time. That was the first place I lived for a long time. And I got a chance to see the way people cling to ideas

versus actually believe things. And I think it's very important to find out what you actually believe. And it's almost impossible in Hollywood. Because in Hollywood, people have to audition for things. And I've been there, man. It's gross. You go in this room and some person looks at you and they have a clipboard and they're judging you and they have power.

And the same way that unions can have power and unions can control groups of people, the same thing can happen for really self-righteous ideologues who happen to be holding that clipboard. Well, then there's also the throwing out the baby with the bathwater. We're calling anybody who has a worldview an ideologue. And I do think that you're susceptible if you don't have a framework from which you look through the world. If you don't have a prism where you go, okay, hold on a second. If you're a hardcore Democrat, do or die without any exceptions whatsoever, you're

an ideologue. If you start going us versus them, I've had conversations with people in Hollywood where they've talked to me about the Democratic Party. They go, we have to win the house. If we win the house, then we get this. I go, what is this? We, man, you make a fucking cartoon. But then you have people who just go, man, it's left and right there. It's all the same. No, it's not. You do need to determine a prism through which you see the world. For example, there's a very clear decision you make. Do I believe in choice? Do I believe in freedom and personal liberty? Or do I believe in equal outcomes? And that doesn't mean that you line up

with either party the same on every single issue. But it is a filter through which you will be able to see issues. Explain those options again. A good example is right now. Someone has to make a decision right now. What are the three options you said? No, I put two options in one.

Do I value personal liberty? Personal liberty and choice. Freedom of choice. Or do I value the idea of equal outcomes? Oh, well, equal outcomes is ridiculous because I can't play basketball. But you can't understand that unless you have some kind of... There's an ism there.

Don't you think a lot of people need to compete in things? People need to play dodgeball. They need to bring back dodgeball. You gotta realize, stay away from that big fucker. That guy throws that dodgeball, it's gonna hurt. When the little kid gets it, rush him. That's real! The Asian kid with the glasses, you beat him as soon as the whistle blows.

Maybe that kid's a bad motherfucker. Maybe he's from Thailand. Maybe people have been fucking with him since he was little. Pretty rare. Catch him outside, he'll kick you in the dick. How about that guy? That's possible. That's entirely possible, but the point is there there is an ism and people don't need to shy away from saying you know what I do Ism there is an ism. What do you mean by an ism? There is an ism where people? conservatism leftism Right wing liberalism. I don't think anybody's ever said there is a lot of people like to act as though Well cuz liberalism you think the first person say leftism. I know I don't think so's ever said there isn't a lot of people like to act as though well because liberalism do you think you're the first person to say leftism i've never heard it

so at all been alive for 49 years never heard a single motherfucker say leftism well because today's left is not the same as classical liberals the word leftism don't skirt the issue yeah that might be the first time anybody's ever said it have you ever heard leftism did you google it fuck well i'm mad even if i made it up, I'll stick with it. I don't care. I don't think liberalism describes the current progressive movement. But a lot of people say, well, I'm not an ideologue.

Well, actually, a lot of people, they don't realize they are to some degree. And you just have to determine to which degree that is and recognize that about yourself. Everyone has a leaning. Everyone has a bias. It makes it easier. No. It makes it easier to get along if you subscribe to a predetermined set of values and ideas.

No, no, no. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about that. There's no predetermined set of values or ideas if someone says, okay, I'm looking at the world through this lens. Do I look through it where we need to ensure fairness and equal outcomes

or do I look through it in the idea that people should be free to make their own decisions? That doesn't mean you're subscribing to the Republican platform Okay, well you're talking about your first initial soon Well, I'm talking about what we were talking about really recently, but I agree with you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think what we should do see I Think a big part of the problem with human beings today is That's that it's not a fair hand of cards that we're all dealt and some want to pretend that it is it's not mm-hmm it's just not and you

know it and I know it and we say well you know what you got to do with the best with what you've got and I agree with that yeah the real problem with that is the people that got two fucking ones those people more than a problem well because for them, the guy with four aces just got Donald Trump Jr.'d. You lucky motherfucker. By the way, Donald Trump Jr. is a very nice

guy. He's a sportsman and a hunter. You have to do that now that he's in power? No, I like him. He's my friend. He's a big hunting advocate. He is. I mean, I only text him. But he's good buddies with friends. Now the forums are going to go nuts. Joe Rogan, Illuminati, Donald Trump is. I mean, I only text him, but he's good buddies with friends. Oh, my God. You shouldn't have said, now the forums are going to go nuts. Joe Rogan, Illuminati, Donald Trump Jr. I've said it before.

I've said it before. I've heard they're good guys. He's a very friendly guy. Every single person that I know that has come in contact with Donald Trump Jr. has said he's a lovely man. Nothing but good things about him. Let me ask you this. That's 100%.

When you became more wealthy, when you became more successful, do you find yourself being more generous? I've always been a generous person. Whenever I could be. Yeah. Because I realized the importance of camaraderie. I realized, because I didn't have a lot of friends because I was constantly moving around. So when I had friends, I valued them greatly.

They were not disposable. Like my friends to me, like they are as important as my family. A bunch of my friends have lived with me. Yeah. You know, like when they've been broke. Like when I was single, especially, like Tate bunch of my friends have lived with me. You know, like when they've been broke. When I was single, especially, like, Tate lived with me, Duncan lived with me. They were like, I got nowhere to go. I'm like, fuck you, dude.

Come on, man. So money just amplified your character. Didn't change it. Well, it helped me help people. When I had the opportunity to do something. Look, if you see someone and they're a good friend and you have a bounty of wealth, like let's say a good friend is hungry and you have all this food,

you would have to be some kind of piece of shit to say don't eat my food that I can never possibly all eat myself. You would want them to eat so you feel better. But my point is that's who you are, right? And I will say Joe has been generous. You've been generous with me in the sense of actually allowing me on the show, supporting content, whether people get mad about it or not. And I appreciate that.

But the point is the money didn't change. It's like alcohol. It amplifies your character. You're not a racist. Well, I'm not an alcoholic, so it amplifies my character. No, no, but I'm saying money amplified your character, right? And so that's important for people to know because if you take that and you believe that, again, as a worldview, that money doesn't necessarily, it can, doesn't inherently change who you are. You'll find that you'll see just as many greedy poor people as you will wealthy people.

And that's important because when we're deciding on some arbitrary number and we just toss it to democracy, you can have just as many greedy portions of the masses as you would big bankers. And they can just vote in their own self-interest. And that's not right either. What do you mean by an arbitrary number? Well, I'm saying, what should a CEO make, right? What's the fair minimum wage? And if you understand that there can be people making less than minimum wage, who, if they got the Joe Rogan, they made their break, you worked really hard, but all of a sudden they have millions of dollars, they're just as greedy as they are making $13 an hour. Again, it's looking at the human condition. Unquestionably, you're correct.

Yeah. That there are people that don't care about other people's feelings no matter what they make. But I would say to you, do you have kids? Not yet, no. I would say to you as a parent that a big part of that was how they were treated while they were developing. Sure. And there's genetic variables. There's people that have illnesses, mental illnesses.

There's all sorts of variables when it comes to who is Steven Crowder at 29 years of age. Who are you? How'd you get to this point? Or who am I at 49 years of age? How did I get to this point? You're 49? 49. You must moisturize. I look good as fuck, right? I was watching the other day where you lifted a kettlebell. I'm a strong motherfucker Probably didn't say that you did say that you said those exact words Brian Callen, oh, yeah Oh, that's right. He was talking to me about like we're only talking about 450 pounds like deadlifts I'm like dude, that's not that much. Yeah, because you do with a trap for 50. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I am I had knee surgery recently, and so for me... I know, you went through the jiu-jitsu

drawbacks, and then you got back in and blew your ACL out. Well, actually, I tore my LCL, and the ACL was slightly torn, but they were like, actually, the guy who does the surgery on the Red Wings, he came out, he goes, do you wrestle? I said, yeah. He goes, okay. We rarely ever see an LCL that torn without a blown-out ACL. He's like, did you do anything where your ankle was going towards your face? Guard pass. Yeah. But the problem is they went in and they fixed that, but that wasn't the real problem.

The real problem is my kneecap. I guess whatever it is, the tissue that holds that in place is gone. And they said it would be easier if you had a torn ACL to fix because we know what it is. Like with a kneecap, take it out, do a replacement. There's really a 50-50 show. You're going to replace your kneecap? I mean, he basically said there's no reason to do anything with a kneecap because we don't know what works.

Say if they replace it, replace it with an iron one. With an iron, yeah. And just start fucking people up. Just go Vanderlei, Silva throwing knees. Rich Franklin versus Anderson Silva. Oh, God. Anderson just rearranged his face. That was so heartbreaking to watch.

You know, a lot of dudes wear steel cups. The Thai cups. I don't necessarily think there's a law against it in the UFC. They started making laws against it in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Jiu-jitsu? Because you torque into the spine. God damn it, I can't talk. No, no, here's the deal.

I had a buddy of mine did it to me once. My friend Amir Renovardi. He got on top. No, he got on top of me, mounted me, and he had a steel cup on, and he was essentially fucking my solar plexus. It was totally uncomfortable. I can imagine. Well, it's metal.

I mean, you have a metal piece, and it really affects arm bars in particular. Yeah, it really does. It creates an unnatural fulcrum. Well, a back take, too, is really uncomfortable with a cup. It's going into your lower spine. Well, a regular cup, too, is really uncomfortable with a cup. It's going into your lower spine. Well, a regular cup, like I use a Diamond MMA cup. You know what those are? They're compression shorts.

They're in compression shorts, and the outside of them is like this rubberized thing. And the outside in the front is all like a really hard plastic. There's videos of them showing people taking full groin shots on purpose. That was their advertisement. Like getting kicked in the balls. It really does protect you in an amazing way. But it doesn't hurt like one of those steel tie cups. So these dudes who are

fucking real sadists, they get these steel tie cups. It's definitely an advantage. Is that why they use it? Oh yeah. Well I think Kenny Florian fought. Yeah, I was just going to say. Kenny Florian fought with it. I'm pretty sure he fought with it. I follow him pretty closely. If you fucking mess up and you kicked Kenny Florian in the dick, you're going to break your foot, kid.

Imagine that bar fight. Hey, why are you walking with a limp? I kicked Kenny Florian in the dick. Well, I'm sure he doesn't wear it to the bar. I'm talking about in a cage fight. You don't know. That's a judgment you're making. I would judge Kenny.

Yeah, but he wears tight pants. There's no way he's got a fucking tie steel cup on. You don't know who he has a judgment you're making. I would judge Kenny. Yeah, but he wears tight pants. There's no way he's got a fucking tie steel cup on. You don't know who he has to impress at the local dive? There's no one that he's looking to impress. He's a married man. You son of a bitch. I thought you were conservative. Kenny Florian.

How dare you go there? I'm going to take more tobacco and pack it in like a lady man. I don't ask that to kiss ass and say, look, Joe Rogan's so generous. But I do believe, again, with the idea of isms. This is a message to people that wonder whether they should be generous or not. Generosity makes you feel better. It does. It just does.

Like, it's not a selfish thing. This idea that, or not necessarily not a selfish thing, this idea that to keep your money yourself, you're protecting yourself, you're looking out for number one, it's not true. Right. It's the wrong way to think. Right. Because when you're generous, especially when you're generous to friends, it's super important to people you actually love that you express that to those people. When you do do that, it's good for you too. It just doesn't seem like it's good for you because people are so survival oriented.

There's a great book called Who Really Cares? It's about famine mentality. It's Arthur Brooks or David Brooks. But he went out kind of seeing who actually donates and who's generous and kind of going by political persuasion, by geographical, you know, by just, you know, the whole landscape. Let me guess, conservatives are number one. Yes. So, but-

Especially religious ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is actually true. Especially ones from fucking Michigan. First off- Minnesota.

I'm imagining my home state, especially with jihadis out there. You've seen the Muslim videos. But there is the ism, and this is one thing out there. You know, you've seen the Muslim videos. But there is the ism. And this is one thing that I do sincerely believe. And this is why I don't shy away from saying, listen, I'm a conservative. You said something that was pretty telling. You said, because I wanted to work hard, I never wanted to be beholden to someone again.

Right? So you made that decision. Well, you knew that if you did that and you worked hard, then you wouldn't be beholden to someone else. That was the assumption you made. Okay. But there's a lot of... Hold on. Let me just go with this real quick. The assumption that that is free enterprise. Free enterprise or capitalism, to use the term, right? It can only work under an optimistic society, under people believing they can retire and do better. Socialism, collectivism can only operate by appealing to people's most selfish nature, by appealing to people's most selfish nature.

By appealing to people saying, listen, the deck is stacked against you. You can't do this. There's someone else out there who has an ace in the hole. You've been born without the leg up that they have. Therefore, I need to help you. That is the big difference. Capitalism can only survive in optimism, whereas collectivism requires the worst of human nature to sustain itself. Maybe.

I believe that. But wouldn't it be nicer if people just, if someone figured out a way to say, hey, how much do you really need? Instead of saying you have to do this and put people back on their heels. It sounds like a nightmare. No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is,

can you contribute a small amount that's not even going to affect you, but it's going to help other people. And do you do that? And if you do do that, how do you do it? Do you do it in the form of generosity? Like do you tip waitresses more than you should?

Do you do it in the form of giving out to charities that you feel are very worthy and, you know, you've researched them and you know, the people that are behind them, do you do it in terms of, you know, them and you know the people that are behind them? Do you do it in terms of social work you do? Do you do it in terms of putting out informational videos that help people figure out how they can advance their own lives?

We all do in certain, and I know you do too, certain charitable things amongst people we care about. When you address causes that you care about, you go out of your way in a non-selfish way to try to illuminate certain things or add to the coffers of certain organizations that are doing what you think are good things. I agree. But that should be enforced more than the idea that some people are fucking you, right? Right.

Well, I agree with you. And that's, again, that idea like you're talking about. Why are you giving to this cause? Why are you donating your time? It comes down to either donating money or time, really, at the end of the day. It's some sort of material goods or time. Because you're doing it with the belief that you'll help people. It doesn't work if you're being forced to.

Well, there's some people that do it for a tax break. No, that's silly. No one gives away $100,000 to get a $40,000 tax break. The math doesn't matter. You might have to if you run some fucking LLC. You might have some weird shit you have to- Aren't you an LLC? Of course, son.

How about it? I'm talking about the other LLC, son. Bro, I smoke pipes. I've been smoking a pipe for like two hours. It smells amazing, though, doesn't it? It's good. It really does smell good. It's definitely way better than cigarettes, which shows you how much the FDA has been fucking you.

Well, actually, now pipes are a controlled tobacco product, which they didn't used to be. But it's all the chemicals that are actually added to cigarettes. Wait a minute, what does that mean? Does it mean I have to show my ID to get pipe tobacco? No, there's something that changed. Because with pipe tobaccos, a lot of these local tobacco shops, they'll do their own blends. So they'll buy pipe tobacco in bulk, like that seersucker from someplace in one of the Carolinas. And I think that's changing.

So it actually removes the artistry where a lot of people are like, this is the blend I can get in, I don't know, Holland, Michigan. You can't get anywhere else. It's amazing. That's going away. And what that does, FDA steps in. What does it do? It favors the big boys who send out their tins from one centralized company. The smaller tobacconists can't compete.

That's the worry about marijuana. Well, right. If it'll go legal, you don't need these dispensaries anymore, right? Isn't that kind of what'll happen? They'll be out of business? Exactly. It's a problem. But also, people, it's okay to possess it and it's okay to sell it.

Or your friends can give you some. It's the most satisfying weed I ever got. My yoga teacher gave it to me that sounds about right how about that every time my wife goes in they're trying to give her some kind of weird incense or new essential every time she goes to the pot store no yoga oh yoga yo there's always something there's a big difference between essential oils and pot no not pot but they're always got something you know they want to put on incense or something there My point is you're beholden to the yoga instructor, so they use it sometimes as a sales pitch. My yoga instructor's pure, and she's my friend. What's with the posing with the pipe? Fuck you.

For those who can't see, when Joe just said, fuck you, it actually blew out his own lighter. Fuck you. Fuck you. Right wing. Listen, I mean. I sit firmly in the flip-flopping position of the middle. You don't, though. Here's the thing.

You're pretty fair. And I do like to think that, I mean, it's really hard to get leftist guests on our show. That's just a reality. We try and book them. And then after a couple of times. Who's the most leftist guest you've ever had? Well, we had Imam Chowdhury, who actually said I should die on air whoa yeah he's the guy who now he's in jail for for giving to Isis or something from the UK so we had to we had to create a whole new Skype address

you should die on air why why do you say you should die oh because I did a three students routine dressing up as my heart I'm gonna have his three-year-old wife yeah isn't that amazing you should die for three-studious routine dressing up as Mahal. Oh, I remember that. I beat the shit out of his three-year-old wife. Yeah, isn't that amazing? You should die for that. You should die for dressing up as a guy. Outside of that, you know, Sally Cohn is pretty far left. Christopher Titus. Oh, that's what I wanted to talk about.

I thought you wanted to talk about Michael Woods Jr. Because we tried to have him on. He wouldn't come on. The Christopher Titus debate was one of the most painful ones I've ever watched. Was it painful for you? It was because I felt as though I usually do try and get into an engagement of ideas, and he was just screaming so much. It was more painful for me because I'm a dad.

Yeah. Why don't you care about dead kids? Something, no, something went wrong somewhere along the line to get him to that place where he's arguing about something where he really doesn't know the facts. Yeah. It wasn't just that. It was when you were throwing out laws, regulations.

He just didn't know enough and kept arguing about it. You know when someone's arguing about something and they don't know exactly what they're talking about? Yeah. And they've gone down a dark road and instead of saying, saying okay I can't really talk about this because I don't I don't have any facts and my disposal instead of doing that he kept arguing it yeah and I was like oh Jesus and I contacted you afterwards like Jesus bro this is rough well you know you were very nice about that you were very nice to him while I was going on because it was fucking ugly and you were very nice

afterwards you didn't gloat we had him. We had him back one time because I wanted to find some common ground. He just gets so mad. Yes. Sally Cohn. Well, he's saying you don't care about dead kids. That's the motive thing that I'm talking about. Here's the thing. I don't shy away from my-

It wasn't a motive thing. It was a conversational debate ploy. It was a crude debate ploy. He was trying to box you into a corner I want to say this because I appreciate Christopher Titus and we talked off air. I do nice guy Whereas someone like a Michael Woods jr. Who refused to come on the show tried to leverage coming on this show to debate me Oh is dishonest and someone who's afraid or Michael Ian black Who recently got into it with hopefully he'll come on the show a lot of times get in there with him

Literally I was on air and all he did was, we talked about this last time, my video on rape culture, you saw it, with the Lena Dunham thing, where it's one in four women are raped. And in the video, I literally say, I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime and those people should be buried beneath the train tracks.

Okay, okay. I'm also not apologizing for, I literally say that in the video. Okay, okay. And then I get into the stats as to why rape culture doesn't exist in the United States and it does in the Middle East. So all Michael Ian Black tweets out is a portion of that video, a snippet that is not the statistics that I present, a snippet that's a sketch cutaway, just tweets out, holy shit.

And this is the thing that a lot of people do. Right, but if someone sent that to him, if he got a clip and he saw that clip. It goes further. It just tweets out, holy shit. And this is a constant thing, right, that often people who disagree with me politically, who I identify as a left, go, Crowder doesn't think there's a rape culture. And so if they say it as though it's absurd enough, people go, yeah, that's silly. But I say, well, hold on.

Tell me why I'm wrong. And so I said, well, come on the show. Tell me why I'm wrong. And he said, well, I wouldn't want two straight white guys debating rape culture. I'd rather you talk with someone who's a victim of rape or a woman would have a better handle on it. So I said, okay, how about you talk with one of my two head writers, Casey or Courtney? They disagree with you. They'd be glad to debate it. No, I don't think this is going to go. And then I had to call him out on air to the point where he's agreed to come on next Thursday. But again, the point is, holy shit, this is absurd. Why is it absurd? Tell

me why it's, I don't want to show up. If if you have to ask then you don't know and that's the position today that we see on cable news that we see from in this election but you particularly see from people trying to silence dissent i love the idea of as a white man you shouldn't be able to talk about this certain thing you should be able to talk about bugs on jupiter okay it doesn't fucking matter right what sexual orientation is, what your gender is, what your race is. You should be able to talk about things. Right. Just because you talk to somebody about something doesn't mean you're the premier expert of it. Right.

You're the premier. You're the premier expert of it. No. You should be able to talk about things. I think you're right. That's a silly, it's a plea to the left. Yeah. That really is.

What that is, is you're saying things that you think people could possibly criticize you about. Right. And you're cutting it off at the pass before their preposterous ideas get to you and your Twitter feed. Well, to me, I mean, like you said, you disagree with people on certain things, but you're not a coward ideologically. I'm not talking about physically, but you'll allow people on who you disagree with and you'll change your mind. I would definitely change my mind. I'm not married to my ideas as much as I get criticized for that. No, I think you're pretty consistent in that.

And I think on the flip side, what we try and do is I say, listen, this is my bias. This is what I believe. What's your bias? Well, my bias, like you said, I'm right wing. I'm conservative. I believe. What's your bias? Like you said, I'm right wing. I'm conservative. If you go, god damn it, maybe I went too far down this road. If I could just

relax one aspect of my dialogue, what would it be? Maybe it would be my pipe smoking. Your pipe smoking? I probably wouldn't talk about the marijuana issue. That. I wouldn't care. Because here's the thing. I don't care about it.

One way or the other. But my issue with it is when, and we saw this in Montreal, I talked about it when people lie about it and they're dishonest with their voting constituency. Like how so? Well, saying, you know, it's medicine for A, B, C, or D. It may be medicine for A, but not for B, C, or D. What are the B, C's and D's? What are the things

that it's not medicine for? Well, you're asking me what I wouldn't talk about and you're asking me to defend it. My point is, I don't really care about it. But what are the B, C's and medicine for? Let me give you an example. Well, you're asking me what I wouldn't talk about and you're asking me to defend it. My point is I don't really care about it. But what are the B, Cs and Ds? You said it's specific. It cures cancer. Well, there has been shown. It helps with cancer about as much as turmeric and ginger.

Well, all those anti-inflammatory things. Yeah, I know, but it's not a prescription. But CBD has been shown to have tremendous, tremendous benefits for cancer and non-psychoactive. Yeah, and certainly with seizures. I have zero problem with CBD being legalized. Which is also cannabis. Yeah. I feel the need to call people out and bullshit when they say, well, the reason it's not is because of big pharmaceutical companies.

Hold on a second. There are seven patents on chemical compounds for marijuana right now. Right. The people who stand to make the most out of marijuana legalization are pharmaceutical companies. That's why they make- That's not true. Well, it is. If you look at the biggest supplement companies, it's owned by the same pharmaceutical companies. That's why they make- Well, that's not true.

Well, it is. If you look at the biggest supplement companies, it's owned by the same pharmaceutical companies. No, because you can't patent a plant. Yes, you can. They patented seven, seven at least- You can patent strains that are GMOs. No, no. Seven active chemical compounds in pot that have been patented as drugs.

They've gone through the process. There's one that's really efficient. Yeah, but you can't patent it to the point where you can't grow pot. How would you stop someone if pot's legal? If pot's legal, how would anyone... And if that's the truth, then that's a real problem. If pot is recognized as a medicine, right? If pot is recognized, there is no one who would stand to gain more than pharmaceutical companies by providing it as medicine.

That's not necessarily true if people are allowed to grow it themselves. Maybe it's not necessarily true. I'll give you that. But I also think it's not necessarily true that the reason people can't smoke up is because Big Pharma is sitting somewhere, you know, Martin Shkreli going, oh, let's make potty illegal. Well, not that guy. That's my only point.

But there are absolutely people who have lobbied, as we talked about how the prison guard union has lobbied to keep marijuana illegal. There's absolutely pharmaceutical companies have done the same thing. It was revealed in the WikiLeaks memos. See, this is where I was saying, don on, don't interrupt me, you fuck. Where Hillary Clinton said that she's against marijuana in every sense of the word, right? You remember those WikiLeaks papers that came out?

Is he? He said he would leave it up to the states. That's actually a constitutional approach. But he's pretty, he wants to beef up the war on drugs. You know why? I bet someone slipped him a pot of cookie once and he looked at his hair in the mirror. No, he's a teetotaler. He doesn't even drink.

What the fuck? Sold vodka, doesn't drink, Donald Trump. It's crazy. Yeah. Ever? No, he says he never had a drop. Colorado topped one billion in legal marijuana sales in 2016. Good. Holla. Yeah. Holla at Colorado. Yeah. But another thing that we

just wrote about, and again, people get mad with the weed issue. Well, no, no. Traffic fatalities regarding marijuana have skyrocketed. Google that, because that's nonsense. No. We wrote about it a lot on FB.com. Drunk driving arrests have dropped. What do you mean?

First of all. No, we wrote about it with the sources here. The original studies. Just because someone gets in an accident and they're high. Because, hold on. Stop. No, no. Hold on a second. You interrupt way too much. You need to stop. You talk in paragraphs. Hold on a second. No, no, hold on a second. You interrupt way too much.

You need to stop. You talk in paragraphs. Hold on a second. No, no, no, no, no. I don't talk in paragraphs. I make full points. If people are high a lot and the same amount of fatalities exist, but the people that get checked once they get into these accidents happen to be high, it does not necessarily

mean that marijuana caused those fatalities. It could be that you have an increased incidence of people doing marijuana and altercations that could not have been avoided. It could be. It could be. But the statistical change is measurable. Well, what is it?

From pre and post. You're talking about in Colorado? In states where it's been decriminalized. Let's go with Colorado. Pull it up, Jamie. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. You just said, let me make my point.

Again, my point is I don't care about it. Yeah, you do. No, I really don't. You don't care about people dying? You son of a bitch. No, no. You get so touchy about it because someone says, you know what? If people want to smoke up, fine.

I just don't really buy the arguments that everyone is in some big conspiracy to try and snuff it out. No, there are some. And the idea that the drug war will end and the idea that it cures cancer. I just don't buy that. Well, it does. And people get so upset. Well, listen, scientific studies have proven

that it shrinks tumors, that it helps people with cancer. Much like turmeric, much like any things that reduce inflammation, including CBD or tart cherry. But it's not necessarily a magical... They're all legal. And there's no issue because they're not psychoactive. Right. But they are beneficial.

So all these things are good. Marijuana is one of the things that are good and feet don't sure man Just like you don't sure tumeric you don't sure ginger You don't sure a reduced sugar diet all those things that reduce inflammation are good I don't I don't buy that smoking marijuana would be as beneficial as a reduced sugar diet And my point is that people might so offended you might be saying that and, but if you want to smoke, go ahead. You might be correct. But it doesn't matter because it's not a fucking contest to see what's the most beneficial. The question is, is it beneficial and is it damaging?

It is. It does matter. What's damaging? No, no, let me finish my point. It does matter. You said, what would you not talk about? I said, probably pot because I don't care. Well, what do you think about it? You definitely care. That's why you're arguing with me about it. And your eyes light up and all of a sudden- Lying bitch.

You care? Where ideology and world views- You care like crazy. Shouldn't be discussed. No, you care. You're going to laser like a tractor beam on the most important issue of the day that I said, I don't care. You're the guy that thinks people should be able to do whatever.

You're a free market guy, right? Yes. That's what I just said. Smoke pot. So if you're a free market guy, why wouldn't you be in support of something? Whether it's the most beneficial or equally beneficial? I just said I am. But you're not necessarily because you're denying.

I am. But because right now of the chemical compounds. Hold on, fuckface. You're denying. Well, watch it. Watch it. Come on. It's been a good conversation.

We're friends. I'm just joking. Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near historic lows. We have him bringing up the source that you want to find. Washington Post. Bring up the study right there. Yeah, Washington Post. Bring up the study that we wrote.

We wrote about it on our website. Look, I don't care about your website, you fuck. Since marijuana legalization highway fatalities in Colorado are at near historic lows. Hold on a second. Since you call me a fuck and a puss and you do this with the crazy lady in a comedy club, you think if you scream enough that it makes a point. My point is I don't care about it. I don't think that if we scream enough.

And you just said I was interrupting. You're interrupting now I'm screaming. Because Jamie put up a post and you're ignoring it. But I don't buy that it's as valuable as a low sugar diet. And the fact that you can't have a conversation about this as civilly as you did every other issue tells me that there's a problem. It's not true. This is a TNT powder keg.

I can. The problem is I get really defensive when people start talking over me. And you started it first. But the reality is that a low sugar diet is fine. Sure. It's good too. Why is there a competition between a low sugar diet and turmeric and marijuana and CBD oil? Why?

Why does it even have to be discussed? Because one is making the claim regarding legality that it cures cancer. Because the other ones are legal. Because the other ones are already legal. They don't have to fight for it. Yeah, but no one's prescribing. No one's dishing out dispensaries for turmeric or ginger. They certainly are if you go to these local juice shops. Anyway.

You go to these juice shops, people are promoting ginger like crazy. I couldn't care less if people want to smoke joints. I couldn't care less if people want to smoke joints. You're an crazy. Go online. I couldn't care less if people want to smoke joints. You're an ideologue, buddy. Really? That's an ideologue position by saying leave it to the states? Yeah, you're locked in, man. Really?

You're locked deep into this fucking red state thing, man. I was raised in a socialist province of Quebec. That's where your bread is buttered, buddy. A socialist province of Quebec. And meanwhile, you're over here in America, fucking just as much of an immigrant as some dude who sneaks over the wall that Trump just built. Born in Detroit, so that remains to be seen. It could be annexed.

It's a horrible place. It's a horrible place. Detroit? Have you seen that thing where there's a guy who is making an urban farm in Detroit? Oh, that's very common in Detroit now. Well, he's got the largest urban farm, and he's bought up all this land, and as he's bought up all this land,

he's taking these dilapidated houses, they tear them down, he's building this farm, really cheap land, and people are getting pissed off at him. They're getting pissed off because this one guy now buys all this land. They're like, well, what about us?

Yeah. And there's this weird thing that's going on where people somehow or another are mad at this guy who's trying to do something positive. If I'm not mistaken on that story, I could be wrong, but urban farming was a real, we wrote about that when we did this report in Detroit. I was telling actually Jamie about it beforehand. We did a real time ride along because people said we selectively edited the worst parts of Detroit. So I went back with my producer, not gay Jared. We said, okay, we're going to start dead center downtown Detroit where all the hipsters drink their coffee and talk about how it's being revived. We will drive out in three different directions. We put a GoPro on

top of the car, GoPro in the car, a mileage tab and a timer clock. And it never took more than about, I think, 0.9 miles out of the city to certain death, an unbelievable urban plight. The crazy thing about Detroit is you'll see downtown Detroit, and then you look to the left, and it looks like the Upper Peninsula. There's nothing there. It's so desolate. And if I'm not mistaken with that story, everyone was doing urban farming, but there were some problems with the soil.

And so there was a guy who probably found out he could make money if he improved the soil, and he got it down to a system that was more efficient, and people didn't like that aspect of it because now it's the big urban farmer, right they're always a wealthy guy who bought up a lot of land right and he's a white guy and he bought it up in this you know really urban area and you know the buildings were all fucked up and somehow or another people felt like somebody was encroaching in their neighborhood that they had watched deteriorate there's no one there there's no one there in those neighborhoods some people are there but the point is they felt like that should have been somehow or another a part

of their world, which is weird. You know, it's weird to think that you deserve something because that's where you live. I think like we were talking earlier about Uber and all these things, change is a real part of being an organism that lives on a

planet. Right. And whether it's change because of nature, like the fucking shoreline changes, the ocean rises, tsunamis hit the coast, earthquakes change the landscape, volcanoes. Whether it's that kind of change or whether it's economic change or whether it's technological change, there's going to be change. And if you're trying to stop change, you're on the wrong side of history. It's not going to work. You're going to try. It's eventually going to overcome you. Yeah. I think, you know, my view is you should allow people to be the change they seek, as Barack Obama put it, and shouldn't try to force change. If you live in a shit neighborhood and some dude wants to break down the terrible houses

and build a farm, that's not necessarily a bad idea. No, it's not at all. Yeah. I mean, when we did our video in Detroit, packs of wild dogs roaming the streets in Detroit. Oh, that's real. Yeah, that's real. That's real. And we got fact-checked on it because we did a video on this where we said, you know, packs of,

and then I made a joke where I said, apparently there have been grizzly bear sightings, so hopefully this will be our next National Geographic special. Well, there's been black bear sightings. Right. But I got fact-checked. I don't know if it was back then. I don't remember if it was Snopes or something. Someone saying, Stephen Crowder made the claim that grizzly bears were in Detroit.

Fact-check reveals that only black bears have been in the action. I was sitting there like, well, you should fact-check them because black bears are more likely to be predatory on human beings than grizzly bears. Is that just because of more common interactions, though, statistically? You're very smart. You're right. That's right. Kind of like sharks.

It occurs in three to four feet of water. That's where people are swimming. Exactly. But that is the case with grizzly bears. Grizzly bears are way more aggressive. Yeah. But they don't necessarily associate human beings with food. Are you supposed to play dead or run with a grizzly bear?

You would know that, probably. It depends entirely on why the grizzly bear is attacking you. The reality is, if a grizzly bear is attacking you because she's with her cubs, you're better off playing dead. You're better off covering up, protecting your vitals, getting in a turtle position and taking your beatings. And she's going to ask goodbye. She's going to fuck you up, but she might leave you alone if you just lay still.

And then she feels like she can run away. She's going to fuck you up, but she might leave you alone if you just lay still. And then she feels like she can run away. She's going to fuck you up no matter what. She's going to incapacitate you. But if an old male or a predatory male that has killed another human being and recognizes human beings as food, that has happened before where hikers have disappeared. And hikers disappear all the time to the tune of hundreds of people every year just vanish. I read that actually polar bears will stalk people. Well, that's a different animal. See, polar bears are completely predatory.

Which means they don't eat any vegetation. You can get lucky with grizzly bears. Where grizzly bears can have a fucking field of blueberries. And they don't want to have anything to do with you because blueberries are delicious they don't run and they could just sit there and eat and they don't have any hunger pangs really yeah how many blueberries would it take to feed a grizzly bear well there's you know you're talking about alaska like a mountainside like in the spring or in the fall rather like before they go into hibernation that's what they primarily eat because all

that sugar just gets like straight into the fat, into their bodies. And they store it up big, thick fat layers. Yeah. But an animal that has already killed a person is where it becomes a real problem. It's not that animals are evil or animals like target people. It's they recognize food sources that they've already eaten. Did you see those people who were protesting? They were really mad the rangers at yellowstone park so they're very strict that you cannot feed the bears you cannot interact with them and what they do is they had a

bear that wasn't necessarily aggressive but they do this all the time but there was some specific instance that pissed people off wasn't necessarily being aggressive but learned that people would throw food at it and so they're going well not, not only can we not have that bear doing it, but we can't have other bears seeing that bear as an example. So what they do, their first step is taking the bear far away, somehow transporting them, sedating them. And if it comes back either a second or third time, they have to. And all these people were furious and they're going, no, no, we're doing this

so that the bears don't become dependent on humans for food. If you euthanize one bear, that prevents the rest of them. They no longer can forage, can hunt for themselves because they realize these people are going to throw us a sandwich. And that's a great example of just people not knowing, not being informed enough on an issue and instead deciding to be outraged. Like, I don't know about grizzly bears.

I assume the Yellowstone Rangers kind of have their crap together on it. Well, that's also like PETA people that don't want to admit that PETA kills thousands of cats and dogs every year and their heads a diabetic who uses insulin which came to you courtesy of animal testing yeah but she feels like that's okay because she's a vegan whatever because she's skinny fat but there's a great podcast that's available right now the most recent meat eater podcast with stevella, where he talks to a bear biologist who discusses the history of Yellowstone. At one point in time, the dumps where people in restaurants used to dump all their food was places where people would go to watch bears.

We did it at a campground. Wow. What year was this? Gosh, 90s. Where were you? Not in Yellowstone. No, this was in Canada. Okay. They'd already made it illegal in Yellowstone, Is. Where were you? Not in Yellowstone. No, this was in Canada. Okay, they'd already made it illegal in Yellowstone, I think, by then.

There were no bears when we went. We just drove by. There was no one. But it was like, yeah, if you go down to this area, it's really cool. You get to see the bears foraging. We didn't think any of it. Well, in Yellowstone, it was one of the main mortality events. It was a huge mortality event because they went cold turkey.

They stopped dumping all the trash there. And these bears had become acclimated so much so that they had stopped learning how to forage for food. And bears died, like, en masse. It's really kind of crazy. That's also the flip side, you know, with a rescue dog where I tell people, like, we have a rescue dog. And people get so offended when I say, but if you have kids, probably better to go from a breeder, you know, because for example, Hopper on the road, we don't know, you know, we don't know what happened to him.

He happens to be the most affectionate, loving dog that we've known. But a dog like that, that's starving, can learn to become much more of a wild dog. You know, that can be trained in them. Because they're scared. They're scared. Because they've been scared. And you bring them in, for example, Hopper. He gets recall any gun ever since we've had him.

Any handgun, rifle, pull it out. Goes nuts. So he's seen guns. He's seen something in a negative connotation with guns. You can't know that. So if you have some kid and he pulls out a squirt gun. Now, he's not aggressive. He's just a bark if he doesn't like something.

And people, I don't know if it was PETA, some animal person got really mad. Well, there are so many dogs that need homes. I'm going, listen, I've rescued a dog. I think if you know what you're handling, you should if you're able. But if you have kids who don't have a lot of dog training and you don't know where this dog's come from, I place kids higher on the totem pole than dogs. How dare you? You're a speciesist.

I know. I am a speciesist. That's a new thing. It is a new thing. Was there a speciesism when we were kids? Jamie, you were younger. There was that film Species where that blonde chick... That's different.

Where'd she go? She quit. I don't know, she's probably doing softcore pornography. How dare you? Maybe she's writing books. Well, the... So, I didn't know that. I've never thought of black bears as being aggressive toward people. Yeah, man.

So I didn't know that. I've never thought of black bears as being aggressive toward people. Yeah, man. Rinella, the same guy who has the podcast I was talking about, told me a story of a guy who went on his very first hunt, and while he was in his tent, a 500-pound predatory grizzly bear attacked him. His friend shot the bear and hit him in the wrist. The bear takes off out of the tent, goes to another dude's tent, and they shoot it in that tent to kill it so everyone's covered in blood and hair and

it didn't kill it yeah they killed it but I mean the guy had a bullet wound in his wrist he had been mauled by this bear I mean this is his first hunting trip ever could you see the reverent yes you know did you remember that there was a rumor before that film came out that Leonardo DiCaprio gets raped by the bear? Did you read that? That was front page at Drudge. You are on the wrong website.

No, no. It was front page at Drudge. Exactly. Where people were so outraged. You are on the wrong websites. No, no, no. And I remember thinking about that. And I remember watching it going, this is an example of fake news.

Whether it's the right or the left. I was going, this is clearly not a bear rape scene. But it was a huge rumor that was going around. People saying, don't go see the Revenant. It wasn't huge enough to reach my Twitter page. Well, you have a big Twitter page. You're just too into it, man. You're too deep into the news of the world.

I told this story to Chris Lieben at the Revenant. Revenant? Revenant. Revenant. So we're there. I swear this is true. And Chris Lieben thought it was fake. So we're watching the Revenant. And it's right at that scene where he cauterizes his wound, remember, with the gunpowder on his neck?

So we're sitting there, and we're watching it, and he's screaming. And so for a second, we didn't realize it. A few rows down, a guy's... All of a sudden starts projectile vomiting. While Leonardo's on screen going... And we're looking, and we're going, oh, my God my god we think he starts shaking we think he's having a seizure my wife being a sweetheart goes okay everybody move away someone call 9-1-1 and his his wife or his girlfriend's like sweetie and it's going down two rows we i go i wait for the ambulance they come in the guy

has vomit all over him i think someone who's sitting in front of him had vomit on the back of his head. They thought for sure he had a seizure. Turns out he had fallen asleep and inhaled a popcorn kernel. And he was just choking. Perfect timing. And then aspirating on his own vomit. So we're watching this film, The Revenant, one of the most graphic scenes in cinematic modern history.

And everyone's, what the hell is going on? Wow. What a coincidence. Yeah. And it was, I mean, the guy was embarrassed. He just fell asleep. It's not a cool story. Imagine if it was a scene like, you remember that movie?

What was that movie with, not Matt Damon, Matt Dillon. What was the movie where the two girls are making out by the pool? Stranger? No. Oh, Wild Things with Neal Campbell. Wild Things, yeah. What if he watched that movie? What if that scene was going down?

And that popcorn kernel got stuck in his mouth and he started projectile vomiting? Why would that be worse? It'd be way worse. Just be more awkward. Because it makes sense. Like, the guy's scared. There's a bear. He's killing Leonardo DiCaprio. No, don't kill Leo. You know, don't do it to bear. He's killing Leonardo DiCaprio. No, don't kill Leo. You know, don't do it to him. He's the king of the world.

He's in the front of the fucking Titanic. Don't, don't do it. You know, people freak out. It's like a bear attack. But if you're freaking out at like a lesbian event, it turns out it was just coincidentally. Just popcorn. And that's the story people are going to tell about you for the rest of your life. Yeah.

Bobby saw these two broads making out. They were hot. Choked on his popcorn. that's the story people are going to tell about you for the rest of your life Bobby saw these two broads making out They were hot Choked on his popcorn He's alone, he's by himself He just starts hurling Changed his life bro Said he choked on popcorn but we know that's bullshit Oh my gosh, I've never seen it like

I mean from here to that Buddha statue The kid in the pie eating contest In that Stephen King boomy stand by me Remember that oh yeah, yeah very pie contest I would say this is worse because it wasn't like a flow it was pressurized It's funny because he was also holding his mouth So it's coming out through a crack, you know like this where it's going a squirting

So it was he fell asleep with a popcorn kernel his mouth at the Revenant In the middle of that fucking really exciting movie In the middle of that scene Right where he's cauterizing the wound in his neck I felt bad for him Imagine that if that wasn't his wife If that wasn't his fiance there's a good chance they're not together Did you think that movie was based on real life events I have no idea was it

Supposedly But incorrectly Oh really Based on a guy They already have was it? Supposedly. But incorrectly. Oh, really? Yeah, it's not. Someone should fact check that. Based on a guy. Fake news. They already have. Oh, really? Didn't happen in an environment anything like the environment they filmed it in. They filmed it in this

like tropical rainforest in British Columbia. The guy never had a son when Leonardo DiCaprio's son is killed in front of him. The only thing that was true was the guy got mauled by a bear and made it back to camp. All that other shit. they left him for dead. They left him for dead.

He actually survived. He made it back to camp. That's it. And he's like, what the fuck, bro? And the guy's like, sorry, I thought you were dead. That's it. That's the movie. The entire teaser was the lead up to the bear attack.

And it was him going back and killing the guy who left him behind, who also killed his son. There was no son. Nobody killed anybody. He got fucked up by a bear, and they left him alone. That's interesting when you think about that. You know, you go back, and like Weston Price, you know that Weston Price Foundation, where they do like the fermented

cod liver oil and stuff, and they're a big catalyst for like eating real fats and stuff. And the guy claims... I'm not aware of this. Yeah, I think it's Weston A. Price Foundation, where it advocates traditional like Oregon meats. It's been around for a long time? Yeah. I think his name is Weston Price.

And because I always watch those movies like The Revenant, and I go, could you imagine how much it smelled or imagine what their teeth were like? And this guy- Other people, yeah. But this guy claimed he went down to like, you know, third world sort of African nations where they didn't brush their teeth,

but they had perfect smiles. And he claims it was because I don't know how, I don't know if it's true at all, but he says it was because they ate a lot of organ meats. They were getting a lot of vitamin K, natural vitamin D, as opposed to kind of the sugary lifestyle with refined carbohydrates in the new world. And that's a big part of like this whole kind of high saturated fat, organs, bone broths. It's called like Weston something Price Foundation. But I remember there were these pictures side by side of people in the new world who were on largely grain fed diets. And these people were basically third world sort of tribesmen, but they had these beautiful white teeth. That makes sense in some ways that people that live natural lives with natural foods,

without anything processed, would be healthier. Yeah, but the teeth? I mean, they were nice white teeth. Well, sugar for sure definitely deteriorates your teeth. We know that. We know that kids who eat a lot of sugar and don't brush their teeth, and I think a lot of that is also that stuff getting caught in your gums and your teeth. It's just not good.

It causes tooth decay. We know that. Yep. And the worst thing is sugar-free gummy bears. You ever read those reviews on Amazon? God, what do they do to your asshole? That's exactly what the reviews are on Amazon. I swear to you, if you just Google sugar-free gummy bears, it's just like, my asshole has

never been the same size since. It's just a bunch of people who trolled the Amazon review section for sugar-free gummy bears. If you're ever just looking for a laugh on a Sunday afternoon, read the Amazon reviews for sugar-free Haribo gummy bears. Do you remember Olestra? There was an additive to

potato chips. Olestra just makes people just rocket shit out of their assholes. Do they allow it anymore? No! Well, trans fats are now... They're illegal. But you have...

There's a grace period until 2018, I believe, or maybe 19. Right. Where companies are allowed to still use that stuff in their potato chips or whatever the fuck they sell. Up until then, they're like, that's it. You can poison people for two more years. That's it. Well, you know why we use trans fats?

It's terrible for you. Because of the same environmental vegetarian lobby who, you know, back then McDonald's used beef tallow for their fries. It was, no, no, you need to be using vegetable oil, hydrogenated vegetable oil. So that was a bunch of lobbyists. That's why we started eating trans fats. And now they're going, actually, margarine is not as good for you as butter. And they've changed. But that was a huge, powerful lobbying group where the vegetarians,

the San Francisco kind of hippie era, that's why trans fats became ubiquitous. Well, it was also a byproduct of the sugar industry bribing scientists to lie about the beneficial qualities of their sugar. They just pretended that sugar's fine. What do you mean? Corn was a big thing too.

It's saturated fat that's the issue. And everybody went, shit, we got to get some margarine. Yeah. And these people went out and bought margarine because they're terrified of saturated fat because the sugar companies had bribed some scientists. We had that when we were kids. Country crock margarine. We didn't know.

That's so bad for you. It's interesting now that that's been revealed. And you find out that those people didn't even get that much money. And you find out that those people didn't even get that much money. They got like the equivalent of $50,000 today. Right. To literally lie to everybody about the, they just made up a bunch of shit about saturated fat. Yeah. And they just diminished all the negative effects of sugar.

And people just started drinking that milk from Captain Crunch. Remember that milk? You get that fucking sugary Captain Crunch milk or Coco Pops. It's absolutely delicious. You get the chocolate milk out of Coco Pops. Oh my God. Count Chocula. Oh my Jesus.

It's so good. We grew up on sugar. I know. And in Canada, we had a whole different... I didn't realize until I moved to the States, corn pops in Canada are actually like spherical Captain Crunch. They're not at all like corn pops in the States. So there are a lot of little differences because it's such a silly country where you'll be raised there and you'll come here and be like, wait, Oreos aren't the same.

Super Sugar Crisp. Remember that? It had sugar in the title. That's right. That was the bear, right? Yeah. Yeah. Was it a bear?

Can't get enough of that sugar, Chris? That's right. Super Sugar Crisp. Can you imagine? You have a goddamn drug in the name of your... Look at that. There you go. That is crazy.

Does that still exist? It's not even good. It's illegal. You go to jail if you even sell that. Super Sugar Crisp. This is the sugar bear. This is the sugar bear. I'm here.

I'm your sugar bear. Can't get enough of that sugar crisp. Super Sugar Crisp. Yeah, there you go. It's cold and crisp. What's the difference between Sugar Crisp and Golden Crisp? I'm not sugar bear. I'm here. I'm a sugar bear. Can't get enough of that sugar crisp. Super sugar crisp. Yeah, there you go. It's cold and crisp. What's the difference between sugar crisp and golden crisp? I'm not a bear. I'm a strange mongoose.

I'm a mongoose with a t-shirt on. Then there was cookie crisp. Remember that? Cookie crisp. Cookie crisp. Yeah, they had cookies and milk. Then there was Reese's Puffs cereal. Oh, look at that one.

Smacks. They have an Indian. A cultural appropriation. Native American. Couldn't do that today. Look at that. What does that have to do with a Native American? What's Smacks?

It's kind of like Latinos selling cards. They just put tits on it because it sells in their culture. Oh, inside there's a free Indian card. That's a special Indian edition. Well, that doesn't make it acceptable. They created the Indian card, so it's just as bad. No, it's fine. Because there's a giveaway

of the cultural appropriation. I like Frosted Flakes. Go down to Frosted Flakes over there. No, they still sell Frosted Flakes. They're great! Yeah. 1950s. Good source of vitamin D. Because you added vitamin D. Yeah, throw it in there. There's no natural vitamin D in there. You got milk, pussy.

Your kid's gonna get sick from some sugar. What kind of fucking shitty kids are you raising? Reese's Puff cereal. That was a big one. What? Reese's Puff cereal. Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs? Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal. Whoa.

You've never had that? No. That was a little later than you, I guess. It might have been illegal in my country. They might have been looking out for our best interest by then. No, I remember it because there was like a fat black kid from Hanging with Mr. Cooper who did the commercials in Canada for Reese's. He's like, I can't get enough.

I love that Reese's Puff cereal. We were sitting there as this kid. He was in Hanging with Mr. Cooper, who did the commercials in Canada. For Reese's. I can't get enough! I love that Reese's puff cereal! We were sitting there as this kid. He was hanging with Mr. Cooper. And so as a kid, you're like, well, we watched that show on TGIF. We have to get Reese's peanut butter cup cereal. What's TGIF up there? That was the same thing. ABC, you know.

Down here, it's a fucking place that sells wings. Well, no, it was... Yeah, bad wings, too. They're not that bad. They're pretty bad. You're in Kansas. You're on the road. It's true.

TGI Fridays. What's the big deal? Bennigan's is coming back, too. Did you see that? Bennigan's is back. Don't you remember that? They were gone away because everyone was like, well, okay, Bennigan's we can do without. I didn't even notice.

You mean they went under and then they came back? Yep. They were gone. Now they're back. I don't know why. Huh. Whole new branding. Probably investment bankers.

Probably some dudes from Marin County. It's the globalists. Wire don't know why. Huh. Whole new branding. Probably investment bankers. Probably some dudes from Marin County. It's the globalists. Wire frame glasses. Those fucks. Skinny jeans. Well, what we're trying to do is bring back a really recognizable brand that's really important to America. Have you ever had people do that on this show?

We feel and we understand. Have you ever had people try to come in and be like, listen, we can take your show even bigger. We just think there are a few tweaks. You ever get those people who approach you? No, which is interesting. Really? No.

Everybody's like, no. No. No. Adam Carolla, they got him though, huh? They did? I don't know. I did his show once, and it was the most awkward thing I'd ever done in my life. Why was it so awkward?

Well, because the bookers, I was doing Prager university and it's like oh yeah i know i'll hook you up and um first off he's like adam carolla he's not like you like like come in and you talk off air he kind of like doesn't doesn't really talk to you until you're on air which i can respect it's professional but i wasn't on the adam carolla podcast it was adam carolla and dr drew had reunited to do like it wasn't it's not love line but it's effectively the same thing right and so they still do that they brought it back and i was there for like the first week no i was there for like the first week they brought it back and so it's him and dr drew sitting there doing their shtick at a table and then i'm literally

at the end of the table with nothing to say like yeah that sounds about right they're taking callers from people didn't it bring you in? A little bit, but it just, you know, Adam Carolla does his podcast like this with an interview, and that was just, it was really weird, and I think what happened was they didn't realize he wasn't doing the show that day, and they brought me. They were very nice. Dr. Drew and Adam was gracious afterward, but

it was clear like it's a two-guy show taking phone calls. And you were just there? Yeah, I was pretty much just there. Did they say your name? No, no, they did. They did, but it was like, eh. We want to take phone calls. And you were just there? Yeah, I was pretty much just there. Did they say your name? No, no, they did. They did, but it was like, eh. We want to take phone calls. Well, Adam does, he essentially does an internet radio show.

That's what his show is. Right. You know, I mean, he was, he had his radio show that was a big hit radio show, and then the station went under in LA, and I think he just decided to do the same format and just do that same format online. Yeah, that makes it when we started our show, you know, it was syndicated. And so we had radio. And so we had all these commercial breaks. We used to do at 6am on Friday mornings out of Detroit. And what we do is, well, no one really cares about these commercial breaks nationally. So we just did a bunch of sketches and fake commercials. And that's what created all these

characters that people have created these Twitter profiles for because we just said, well, you know, so we're not going to run an ad for a local car dealership. We'll do a fake news break. And we would do like fake tornado warnings and stuff like that, which is highly illegal, by the way. We learned that one later on because we had to kind of work with the format online. And now we just took it off, took it off radio. Yeah.

Fuck radio. It was too much. It's a dying market. That thing is not going to last. It's stupid. When was the last time you turned on your radio? I haven't ever. Yeah.

I don't even remember. It's another person. I think all the cells in your body, except your neurons, switch every seven years. That means every cell in my body has never listened to the radio. That's real. That's fucking real, man. It's like if someone said to me, when was the last time you watched a VHS cassette? I was another person.

I wasn't even me. I don't take responsibility for me of 14 years ago. Because if I did, I would still be pissed at shit in my pants when I was a baby. Okay? Because I would take it back to when I was three and I bit my sister or something. I don't know what the fuck I did. But you know what I mean? You bit your sister?

I might have. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck I did. But you know what I mean? You bit your sister? I might have. I don't know. I don't remember three is my point. It's like you go back to the things you did when you were a developing individual. Yeah. So I feel like every seven years, I don't even want to know what I did 14 years ago. Three, it's pretty rough years. I called my dad's pastor Little Bastard at three.

You're probably right. Well, because my grandfather called me Little Bastard. Right. And I thought it was a term of endearment and somebody's like this is faster Kevin butcher I said hey, how you doing little bastard well that pastor should have known this little kid is getting fucked over at home No, you know what happened actually he got outed and this is actually a point gay no no no he got out of from The church because there was a his pregnant I think his pregnant wife was at a Detroit Lions game

And there was a guy with a bullhorn behind her right up against her ear. This guy was a really good guy, regardless of someone's religious affiliation, but a good guy. And he's like, hey, man, could you stop? My wife's here, you know, whenever she was pregnant or something. And the guy just looked at him and kept doing it right next to his wife's ear, like got it right up on her ear. And he ended up kicking the guy's ass, getting into a fight with him because the guy was getting up on their space and getting...

Didn't exactly turn the other cheek. He did not. He did when he asked him to. And so there was a whole vote. And I remember that was when I was pretty young. I thought, well, okay. So they outed him? They got rid of him?

I could be wrong. There was a whole controversy over it. And I remember learning about it as a kid thing well That's that seems pretty reasonable the guy getting up and his wife's grill and bothering a pregnant woman Yeah, it's like what do you do because human nature is definitely to hit the person, but do you just leave? You know because your night is ruined. Yeah period well. I say kick his ass. I mean, I think what happened No, no, I don't think he kicked his ass I'm saying but you got physical and he got physical with the guy and got the better of him.

So it could have been a shoving match, could have been a punch. He didn't beat him. It wasn't American History X curb stomp. I'm just saying no one expected a pastor to do anything to protect his wife. I get it. Yeah, and that was a big deal. I called him a little bastard. That's the end of that rabbit trail.

Well, you were right. Once he got kicked out, that Crowder kid, he's got vision. He sees the future. This kid's going places. He knew that guy was a brawler. He's a fucking bleacher's brawler. He gets up there,

gets licking up, fucks his wife, gets her pregnant, takes her to the game. That Crowder's going places. He called it. He's going to go to Fox News for four years, waste four years of his life. I saw him on this show once with Amy Schumer. He called it. He's going to go to Fox News for four years. Waste four years of his life.

I saw him on this show once with Amy Schumer. He argued with her. Oh, man. I took his side. He argued with her. What is this voice? What did she do? You guys were on some show, and she was trying to diminish you as a comedian. Yeah.

She was trying to say you weren't a comedian. Yeah. Isn't that an interesting thing? There's a thing that people do in the world of stand-up comedy where they decide oh he's an opener or he's a middle act right he's you know like there's like there's this weird sort of a thing and someone like if they're looking like shit on you oh you do you do comedy right oh you do comedy yeah what are you done you do a few open mics you think you're a fucking comedian yeah i really it's very very, very common.

I really dislike that. Yeah. She did that right off. And I knew it because she was asking me questions in the green room. Like, where do you do comedy? What do you do? And she was like, she asked me at one point, do you perform at churches? I said, no.

I said, no, I never have. But she was so inflexible in her argument. How old were you then? Maybe 22, 23. I probably would have shit on you too dude probably would have been right next to her but that changed if you look at the the reaction amy would have fucking dog tagged you well no i don't i don't think so it changed you don't think so no what do you think would happen you would have won that well i think i think i think if

you'd have been there you would have done really well yeah yeah i do i think i think if you watch that thing her argument was you're not a real comedian i think i would have done really well? Yeah. I think if you watched that thing, her argument was you're not a real comedian. I think I stuck to facts and information. And I think Amy Schumer is a 30-something-year-old girl who bitches at people on Twitter now and is unmarried and miserable. And I'm married to a woman I'm pretty happy with. Are you comparing lives? I am.

I am. And I think I was right. Well, I think that whenever someone says that. And also that she's funny, by the way. Okay. Good for you. I think whenever someone says that, you're not a comedian thing. That's an issue.

I have an issue with that because we all started out as open micers. And when you're talking to someone who's 22 years old, when I was 22, I was an open micer. I was doing open mic nights. I did them just for laughs at that point, so I wasn't an open micer. Yeah, I mean. And I'd headline crappy clubs. Okay. Were you getting paid?

Yeah. Were you a professional comedian? You were making your living off of stand-up comedy? Already? I've only made my living ever off of acting, stand-up comedy, or writing since 18 years old. Wow. So when you were 22 years old, all your bills... Were you living with your mom, or what's going on? No. How are you paying your bills as a stand-up comedy when you're 22 years old?

So I was... I would do stand-up, and I had some pretty relatively successful acting gigs. Did some films, commercials, some TV. At that point, I was a stand-up, and I had some pretty relatively successful acting gigs, did some films, commercials, some TV. At that point, I was a Fox News contributor, which paid me a retainer. I did freelance writing, where they would pay by the word. So you were doing stand-up on a regular basis. So you were a stand-up comic.

I don't do it much anymore, I would readily admit. Now I don't, because the show and everything is a 14-hour day, and I would never claim to be as good of a stand-up as you or Nick DiPaolo or Bill Burr. By the way, Nick DiPaolo asked me to plug. He's doing his stand-up special in Boston. Yeah, his stand-up special is going on CISO this Thursday. So please go. He's probably the best.

For my money, one of the best living comedians. He's certainly one of my favorites. Nick DiPaolo was goddamn hilarious. And he was here yesterday and he fucking killed me. He's a very fun, and a very, very, very good dude. And another weirdo right-wing fucking guy. Yeah, he is.

But, you know, it's pretty common. I mean, Christopher Titus did the same thing. That was the same thing when he started losing the gun issue. He goes, oh, stand-up. I get paid for stand-up. Well, you know, what he was doing was trying to save whatever was going on in his mind. There's a conversation where there was a competition, whatever the little battleground in his mind was going on. He was trying to save his patch of land.

Well, I think, and I think it would work with most people. I think you would probably agree with this. A lot of stand-up comedians, they have a void and they're filling it. This becomes their identity. And so for me, it was never my whole identity wrapped up in stand-up. I mean, I had been doing acting since I was 12 years old. I was tutored on set with a lot of things. I did kids' cartoons that show Arthur as how I started out.

So I did stand-up, and I'll be the first to admit it, I did it as a means to getting to other avenues. And then it turned out I fell in love with it. But I never planned on doing stand-up my whole life. So if I were a stand-up comedian, I'm a road comic. I love waking up for leftover drugs and being unhappy and bitching about my manager. Leftover drugs? Have you ever heard of such a thing?

Yeah. Who's got leftover drugs? See, just like you, I'm being facetious. What do we got here? Turkey? Oh, drugs. Whose drugs are these? I can have them, right?

Well, you know, the pride in stand-up of barely getting by. Kind of like New York, right? You're in a shitty city in a two-bedroom apartment with five roommates. Right. And you're proud of it because you can tell everyone how miserable you are. So it just didn't work. That's not real. Oh, yeah, it is.

No, no. It's real once you become successful. It's never real while it's struggling. People try to act like it is, right? Like, oh, man, I couldn't do anywhere else. It's the energy of this city. It's like you literally shit in a drain in the kitchen. You know in those in the Lower East Side You're seeing those lower east side. It's like exaggerating. I am NOT

Right-wing I look right wing people are always exaggerating I looked at a department drain the East Village because they'd have like 19 Polish family members per apartment and the toilet Was right in the middle of the kitchen because they weren't't designed... Mom, sometimes you have to dig a shit when you're cooking bacon. What do you want? Just be able to walk? At the same time? It's an extra toilet. There's one for mom while she's making spaghetti.

They're multitasking. She can squat. It's got one of those little squatty potty things. You ever seen that one sign? Like if you go to some places, it's frequented by too many people from Asia. You'll see signs that show a person standing on the shitter, squatting down. It's got a red line through it. Don't shit this way.

Yes. Has it become that popular, the squatty potty? Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. Do you use a squatty potty? Yes, I do, at home. I would assume so.

It helps. Because of the caveman thing. It helps the bowel movement. Well, I prefer to shit in a hole in the ground. In the kitchen as you make bacon? I don't have the time to dig. Like, look at the guy. No, no, no.

Hold on. He's not even aiming right. That would just hit the rim. This is a joke one. This is a joke one. But I have literally seen that. That's real. That is an actual real...

For people in Asia, Ari Shafir went to China and he has this fucking hilarious bit about it. And I don't want to, I don't want to do his bit. That's, that's real. But in China, he went into a restroom and there was literally a hole in the ground and you were supposed to squat over the hole and they had no toilet paper. Yeah. That is real. And he told me that when people from Asia who are used to that environment as the norm come over to the United States, sometimes they actually stand

on the toilet seat and shit that way. But the toilet seat is not designed for the aim to be accurate. If you're sitting on the toilet seat, you'd be crapping

on the water tank. They don't know any better, bro. They're from another country. Without Trump. Without Trump leading them, they don't even know anything, man. They're from another country. Without Trump. Without Trump leading them, they don't even know anything, man. This is always what happens. You're tossed in defending Trump. Do you think

he's a good leader? Are you happy that he's in office? Is it good because it's a shake-up? I will say this. I think that, again, the left has behaved so poorly. Again with this left-right. I think that Donald Trump has been a lightning rod. I would disagree with him on some policy issues, for sure. But I think that, again, the left has behaved so poorly. Again with this left, right? Yeah, yeah. I think that Donald Trump has been a lightning rod. I would disagree with him on some policy issues for sure.

But I think that because everyone has called him a Nazi and a racist and a sexist and a transphobe, that it's removed those arguments from the table for at least several decades. Because people are going, yeah, but you said it about John McCain and Mitt Romney. Everyone you disagree with is a racist. I think that card's been played too much. And because of Donald Trump, it's been overplayed. And I think now we see with our channel, granted, it's not as big as, you know, the outreach you guys have, but it's grown pretty substantially. And a lot of our audience are self-professed liberals going, you know what? I used to hate you. I used to, I used to watch the Young Turks and we used to watch some crap on you.

But actually some of these points make sense. And I used to think everyone would disagree with me was racist. And I think because it's so overplayed, it's left such a bad taste in people's mouth. I do think that Donald Trump has served a real purpose to shine a light on that. And, you know, that may be the most important point of all at this point in our culture with political correctness. Yeah, I think when things go too far one way, people get upset with that. And when people get too biased, whether it's towards the left or towards the right, it tends to balance things out in the other direction. Like Robert Anton Wilson called Lyndon Johnson the pacifist president. You know why he called him the pacifist president?

Because he was such a cunt that he created so many pacifists because of his atrocities that he ordered in the Vietnam War. People were so upset that more people became pacifists during the Lincoln, or excuse me, during the Lyndon Johnson administration than ever before. By the same token, he called Reagan the intellectual president because more people just went, oh my God, you got to fucking, God damn it. It's important to know things. Yeah. God damn it. It's important to be smart. God damn it, it's important to be smart. Just say no.

Bitch, what are you talking about? Just say no. You're bringing heroin in from Vietnam! Just say no! You're selling coke in South Central to pay for the fucking conscious versus the Sandinistas! You don't know

the Oliver North story? Oh, Oliver North. Oh, yeah, Oliver North. The real Rick Ross. You know the whole story? I don't know the whole story of the real Rick Ross. Dude, the real Rick Ross, not the rapper, but the real Rick Ross, who's been on my podcast twice, was a drug dealer in South Central who they put away for a life due to the three strikes rule,

but didn't know how to read, went to jail, was a drug dealer, made millions of dollars selling coke, okay? Did not have any idea who was bringing him the coke, how he was getting it, where it was coming from. The profits that they were making was literally paying for Oliver North to arm the Contras versus the Sandinistas. I mean, it was literally, it was all proven in court. I mean, this is what Michael Rupert stood in front of, what was the, I forget what the gathering was, but on television, on C-SPAN, Michael Rupert, who was a narcotics officer

for the Los Angeles Police Department, who has also been on my podcast before he committed suicide, he was the guy that was the focus of that movie Collapse. officer for the Los Angeles Police Department, who has also been on my podcast before he committed suicide. He was the guy that was the focus of that movie Collapse. Remember that movie Collapse where he's talking about- I'm trying to remember who was in that. It was just him smoking cigarettes, sitting there talking about what he knew about the economy, what he knew about all these different things that were problematic in our society and how there's only a certain amount of time before it's going to collapse. It was kind of a crazy doom and gloom documentary, but the point is he had caught CIA agents rogue

cowboy CIA Agents in them in the middle of selling drugs Yeah in South Central Los Angeles reported it and was in trouble because of that and decided to go public with it and They were selling these drugs they were making shit loads of money and they were transferring the money to arm these rebels.

Well, Rick Ross was in the middle of that and didn't know he was in the middle of that. He was literally selling drugs and funneling this whole thing. Went to jail as an illiterate person who literally couldn't read. Learned how to read in jail. Became a lawyer in jail. Like learned law.

Figured out that you can't charge him for the three strikes rule if it's one thing. If you're charging him with a bunch of counts under one incident, it's the three strikes law doesn't apply, and that's how they got him in jail. So now he's out. All of this came because of that.

Well, I knew about Oliver North in the Contra thing. I didn't know about Rick Ross specifically. Well, there's been proof that some elements of our government have sold drugs to impoverished neighborhoods in order to fund black ops. Like, this is a fact. And this is one of the things that Robert Anton Wilson was talking about when he was talking about the Reagan administration. It was like he became the intellectual president because people were so frustrated by how fucking crazy and chaotic and movie-like things had become that they had decided to arm themselves with information. I wonder if a big part of it, too, is the backlash with Ronald Reagan because everyone

said, again, he had no chance. He was a moron. And he won in a landslide where people go, all right, screw you. We're going to consider him an intellectual. Like with Donald Trump. Listen, I don't think Donald Trump's an intellectual No one was considering him an intellectual They were considering him a great American right he had slick back hair and his wife stood still and everybody was happy Well in between seances at the White House Calling her astrologer making sure But I think people might have just been like, you know what,

you called him a moron for so long, and everyone who voted him a moron, that then... Well, they didn't really call Reagan a moron. Yeah, they did. Well, not like they called George Bush a moron. Yeah, they did. Yes, they did. I remember. It's the playbook with anyone who's conservative or Republican is if they can make you a moron, they will.

If not, you're evil. Right? Dick Cheney can't be a moron, so he's evil. I think you're confusing the narrative a little bit because Reagan might have been simplistic, but he was a wonderful speaker. He gave really articulate, well-thought-out speeches that spoke to Americans, again, longing for this nostalgia of a time

where the Norman Rockwell painting made sense. Right. And that's what Ronald Reagan represented to a lot of people. A lot of people, they were coming out of the chaos of the Carter administration and the fucking Vietnam. Gas lines. Yeah, gas lines and the Iranians taking the American hostages and all that crazy shit. And Ronald Reagan came along.

He's like, I'm going to fix it. I'm your dad. And everybody's like, we're in. Yeah, but the media treated him like a real moron. If you go back and all that crazy shit. And Ronald Reagan came along. He's like, I'm going to fix it. I'm your dad. And everybody's like, we're in. Yeah, but the media treated him like a real moron. If you go back and watch that. And right before his landslide election win, if you look at the electoral maps, sort of the polls and the predictions, they give him no chance of winning. And that's what a lot of people pointed out.

We already proved you're full of shit about Colorado and traffic deaths. Should we go and fuck you up with this too? Yeah. When you have your guy looking up sources. You feel bad about the Colorado thing at all? What? I never said Colorado. I said states that legalize marijuana. What other ones are there? Well, you didn't bring up the source that I wrote about. But the fact that

you're still hung up on it. Hold please. I got the article. I've been looking at it for the last few minutes on your website. There's a couple statements that are really bad just off the gate like this right here. If you want to get high you're a moron And getting high will make you more of a moron That's not a news article

That's commentary But fine after all things like Coachella Wouldn't exist is this your article It's an article on my site Wait a minute if you want to get high You're a moron You think you're a moron Who's Courtney She's probably one of the best writers I think Courtney believes that. You think you're a moron? I think Courtney believes that, yeah. Who's Courtney?

She's probably one of the best writers I think I've ever encountered. How dare you not read then? So then the article links to a couple, like this for instance, is one that says it has deadliest year of traffic fatality since 2008. Yeah. This article doesn't say anything about marijuana, not one thing. It doesn't mention weed at once. It does say that it could be attributed to lower gas prices, people

driving more, more people in the state, etc., etc. First off, that's not the only thing. This is important. I'm going to defend myself here. Because you have someone here at the ready, and what you do is, instead of bringing up information, this is what happens with Christopher Titus, right? You don't have information that you bring up. You have another guy

look up a source that you specifically want him to find. I didn't ask him to bring that up. He brought up Washington Post and goes, this is what's wrong with your article. Taking a joke out of context. You didn't have a joke. The joke in there about things like Coachella wouldn't exist if there weren't pot. That's clearly a joke. That's a joke.

To try and go, do you think people who smoke pot are morons? No, it's a joke. Let's not do that. Let's not do that. And no, pot's not comparable to alcohol. There are tests that determine how much alcohol content is in your bloodstream. We can't do that with weed, so it's impossible to handle these incidents in the same way. That's pretty fair. Okay, but there have been tests where they showed people drunk.

But that would go back to what he said and what you said. There have been tests where they've shown people drunk versus on marijuana, and the people on marijuana drove far better. Okay. That's true. So this is also anecdotal. No, these are tests. It goes back to your point, right?

These are tests. Let's say someone has alcohol in their system. Are these tests? Well, I haven't read your test. Okay, so why are you arguing against them? No, I'm saying I agreed with your point earlier. So why are you saying they're anecdotal? Well, it is anecdotal if you're saying some people drive better on marijuana than alcohol.

No, I'm not saying that. I've said there have been tests where they've shown that people drive better on marijuana than alcohol. That's not anecdotal. My point is, if you want to smoke weed, go ahead. No, you're looking to be really good at this argument here. No, I'm not. You need to settle down. You said you wouldn't pile on, and you got two people.

I'm not piling down. He's not talking. Yeah, it is. He's not talking. He brought something up. Actually, I have a rule. When someone comes on the show, Jared cannot interject. Congratulations, you're not on the show.

And all he did was pull up some fucking information. Two people bringing up information, me without a laptop. No, he brought it up. After I said, no, no, I'm not going to stop you. He didn't even talk about it. You said, what would be the one thing that you've changed your mind and that you would look back? Is there a problem when two people are correct and you're incorrect? Does that bother you?

I don't agree that you're correct. What are you talking about? You just pulled up some statistics that show that Colorado has less traffic fatalities since 2008. I didn't pull up any statistics. You just said you. I'll give you my laptop. I'll turn my laptop your way. You can pull up some shit that shows contrary evidence.

You said what is the issue that you would care about the least that you've changed your mind on? I said probably wouldn't even talk about pot. That's a long version of what you said. What you said was there have been more fatalities since marijuana has been legal in those states. In all the things we've discussed, why are you so obsessed with the pot issue? Because you're not

right, and it doesn't matter if we've talked about it for four hours. In this instance, you are incorrect. You know you're incorrect. No, I'm not incorrect in that instance that traffic fatalities have increased in areas where pot have increased. We did the same study in Michigan where pot was legalized and people were actually selling more marijuana to underage kids. I don't care if they do it.

Okay, that doesn't have anything to do with traffic fatalities. It does have to do with it. It doesn't have anything to do with traffic fatalities unless you can prove there's more traffic fatalities in underage kids since marijuana has been legal. Yeah. There have been several articles that have made that claim, made that assertion. Let's find them. We've written about it.

Let's find them. They all come from one article mostly, and it's from these AAA stats. And this is the stats that they said. And almost all the articles you're talking about come from this one article. Okay. Okay, so it says the percentage of drivers involved in fatal crashes who recently used marijuana more than doubled from 8% to 17% from 2013 to 2014. One in six drivers involved in fatal crashes from 2014 had recently used marijuana,

which is the most recent data available. The significant increase in fatal crashes involving marijuana is alarming. Yeah, says who? That's an opinion. That's an opinion. President and CEO of AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. Yeah, he says it's alarming. Well, is that a matter of more people smoking marijuana because it's legal? Or is it a matter of the marijuana causing these accidents? Is this not an article put out by AAA?

Do you know what else is true? Do you know what else is true? That all these people also had alcohol in their system. Do you know that? Well, no. We don't know that all of them had alcohol in their system. It's a giant percentage of people that were involved in these accidents. Hold on a second.

Do you know this to be true? No, I know this because I've read these studies. All of them had alcohol in their system. Can you prove that? I said a lot of them. Rewind the tape. You said all. Maybe I did say all.

A lot of them. Well, you made a lot of assumptions here. Shitload. Let's find out. It doesn't say that. I said all. A lot of them. Rewind the tape. You said all. Maybe I did say all. A lot of them. Well, you made a lot of assumptions here. Shitload, let's find out. It doesn't say anything in the article about alcohol, though, and for sure they should have tested that and put that information in there. They should. For sure they can't test for it. By the way, I'm talking with two guys who just smoked up a joint.

Just Google it. What does that have to do with anything? It makes a point that you're going to have an obvious position that would disagree with this one single article. So if I can finish a point, you've talked about interruption, let me finish the one point that I'm making. Well, you've already been proven. You can't test for marijuana.

You've already been proven. You can't test for marijuana roadside, right? Can we agree on that? No, you absolutely can. You can? Yeah, there's new tests. Okay, there's new tests. How recent are these tests?

2014. Let's find out. Let's find out. Before you do that though, test how many of the marijuana-related fatalities also involved alcohol, because it's a massively significant percentage. of the marijuana-related fatalities also involved alcohol? Because it's a massively significant percentage. Yeah. So you can't necessarily say that just because they have these new tests for marijuana, especially

road-sized marijuana. That's the problem. Okay, I'll tell you what. I'll give you that. What are you giving me? Let's say you're correct. But here's the thing. So let's say you're correct.

Physiologically, it doesn't have an effect on motor skills the way alcohol does. Or it doesn't slow down your response time. Well, I know that we've had several doctors on the show, two of whom had differing opinions on that. They don't have to be right. They don't have to be right. Just their opinions of it. Do they smoke marijuana themselves? Do they know what it's like?

Have they studied? Now we're getting into this whole, have you ever smoked marijuana? CBS News caught blatantly distorting cannabis studies says legal product doubles fatal car crashes. This comes from mini press news. Mint press news. So again, we can go into questioning sources all day long if you have someone else bringing up sources. You don't think this is a good source? Maybe it is.

Maybe it is. Let's say you're right. It's not a lot of this crowder, but... Let's say you're right. Well, a lot of it's better we source that to something else. I know. You guys are so defensive on one issue and you said, what's the issue you don't care about? I have your sources right here

I've looked them up. There's people online also sourcing them They are skewed you're skewing them to make and so the Washington Post study that you skewed But you're not the Washington Post you're supposed to be the answer to the Washington Post I'm not the answer to the Washington Post. Don't say that someone's evil so I'm evil too. Well you just said that. Is that what you're saying? That's the argument that you just made. No I didn't make that argument. You just said Come on man. You just made that argument. And all of a sudden, when someone mentions pot, you put on the ideologue hat or your worldview

through the lens of weed. No, dude. And you get upset with anyone having a different opinion. I'm calling you out on bullshit. It has nothing to do with weed. Yeah, but you haven't made an argument. I haven't made an argument. You said that the fatalities increased. You've said your studies are sore. We showed you what happened in Colorado. What have you shown me? We showed you the statistics that show that marijuana and traffic violations,

they correlate to less accidents. Your argument is it may not be caused. Okay, so what else is causing the dropped number? And why can't you show... Well, what's causing the increase in number? What increase? This fake increase that you're bringing up? Fake news?

It's not real. It's not real. Colorado shows it's not real. So where is it real? This comes from a AAA study that was done at AAA and the Trusty Safety Council. AAA is owned by the Bilderberg Group, bro. Oh, God. You don't even know this.

So now we're going to go to weed cures cancer and people having meetings with Rams heads. You've got one article that says one thing and one article from Colorado that says there's been a decrease in traffic fatalities. Right. You're not willing to recognize that. I just said, let's give that to you. Because this entire conversation started with you saying, what issue would you change your mind on? No, no.

And I said, probably pot. Because here's what I think. This argument started with you saying that it causes more fatalities and traffic violations. No, that's not true. That's not true. You said, which issue do you not care about? I said pot. And then you said, why?

You said, why? What's your opinion on pot? And I said, I really don't care if people want to smoke pot. I think it's a state issue. I honestly don't care. I've changed my mind where as a kid I thought it was harmful. I don't think it's harmful anymore. But didn't you say that it causes more traffic fatalities?

Then you said, well, let's expand on this. What issue do you have with pot? I said, I don't like the dishonesty where people just say it cures cancer. It'll end the war on drugs. It's completely harmless, and I have some arguments that it's not entirely harmless. Well, it's not without consequences. Well, consequences based on what?

And I've given you so much leeway there on that one. But how have you? How have you? It literally started from me saying I probably couldn't care less about this out of all the other issues that we discuss. And you lasered in on that and go, where do we disagree on this? Because it's a huge blind spot. No, because it's a huge blind spot. No, it's not a huge blind spot. It's definitely a huge blind spot. Do you think I'm working for the Bilderbergs out there trying to ban pot? If you say that marijuana is in some way or another a dangerous thing, I can tell you that it's not. No, no, no, I didn't say a dangerous thing. It's not without consequences.

What are the consequences? Okay, what do you believe marijuana does, for example? Well, no, I'm not going to get baited into this because you're going to get me to, you're trying to force me to say that I don't think pot cures cancer and there's a big farm. No, listen, smoke pot. No, that's not. I will ask this. I'll ask this. I'm trying to say what are the consequences of it.

You come on my show. I would love to. And have a discussion about it. Fuck you. In real time. I think so. Well, last time I was on the show, you said you'd do the show. You're in front of me right now.

You're in front of me right now. Why do I have to come on your- Because we're not having a conversation, you and I, right now. We would definitely have a conversation for hours. You're having somebody else bring up sources. Oh, that's not good? It's not fair. It's not fair to have two people.

What's fair? Just like before you said, no data? Should we be in a room with no internet? You think if Amy and I ganged up on you, you think you would have done well in that argument? Come on, man. Because I want to find out how you feel. How you think. I want to see if you get defensive.

But for some reason, you said you think if her and I worked together, you think you would have done well in that argument? Come on, man. Because I want to find out how you feel. How you think. I want to see if you get defensive. For some reason, you said you think if her and I were together, you think you would have done well in that. Yeah. Because I want to see if you get defensive. Do you ever fuck with somebody in a conversation? Why wouldn't you get defensive? Do you ever fuck with somebody? You do that, right?

No, but you've made it all about the pot issue. No, that had nothing to do with pot. The Amy Schumer thing. No, no. That had nothing to do with pot. You've gotten into this pot issue because of the issue where you think there's an argument. The Amy Schumer thing is what you just brought up. And it's the one area that you're super, super informed.

You are adorable. You're adorable. And that's the same thing as saying you're not a real comedian. No, you're adorable. You've never debated someone on an open territory without someone else to back up your argument. It's never happened. This is not a backup when someone pulls up information. Let me tell you something. One thing that Jamie does

is he pulls up evidence to the contrary. If I was wrong, he would stick it right in my face and we would laugh about it. And that's what he does. That's why he pulled up the AAA thing. And I've given it to you. What evidence? You haven't given me shit. No, I've given you the argument.

What argument? Fine, let's say there's no causation. Let's say that it wasn't backed up well enough. Let's give you that argument. Okay. What's this, Jamie? And we're back to it. There's also some evidence that medical marijuana laws may

contribute to decreasing traffic fatalities. This is what a part of the show is. Me doing this, though. If we don't do that, this is what we always do. It's just talking about facts. Listen to this. You're obsessed. Hold, please. There are some, there are also some evidence that medical, that doesn't make any sense. There are also some evidence.

That's not, there's also. Okay, I'm wrong. That medical marijuana laws may contribute to decreasing traffic fatalities. One study published in the Journal of Law and Economics in 2013 reviewed traffic fatalities in the 19 states that had passed medical marijuana laws by 2010 and found that legalization is associated with an 8 to 11% decrease in traffic fatalities for the year after the laws took effect. The researchers from the University of Colorado Denver and elsewhere also found the decrease is more significant for alcohol-related fatalities at 13.2%. Can I ask a question?

Pretty interesting. Can I ask a question? Please do. Why is that study from 2010 considered completely valid to you and the study from AAA in 2014 considered completely invalid? Because AAA's got a fucking biased interest. There you go. There you go. They're a big ass company.

People can have different opinions. It's in charge. Well, what are they basing it on? So your argument is this is the only valid study because AAA is biased. But this is a study. It's a study. Why are you ignoring? Do you think that's right or do you think they're lying?

I think it could be right. I think it could be right. I think it could be right. So if they're right, if that study's right, then you were wrong, right? Well, if that study's right, then you were wrong, right? I could be wrong. You were wrong, right? When you were just spouting it out. So we proved that in Colorado, you were wrong. You didn't prove. And if that study is true, well... You didn't prove. You said, here's what you do.

Let's pull that up again and figure out what caused the Colorado study. Hold on a second, Joe. And then you say interruption. I ask one question and then you get a paragraph. You'd like doing that, don't you? Joe, I literally said I'll give it to you. You win the argument and you bring up another thing about pot. Well, it's because you don't really

give up. You reluctantly give up. I said I'll give it to you. You're right. Let's assume I'm wrong. You're definitely wrong. Let's assume I'm wrong. Okay, so what else would be the problem with marijuana if it wasn't traffic fatalities? I don't even care. Zero, right? No, not zero.

What, zero? But I don't want to spend the entire day talking about pot. Well, come on, man. We're talking about real issues. What would be the other problem if it wasn't for traffic fatalities? Before you go, oh, man, just loosen up. Let's talk about life and jiu-jitsu. Then you get into one thing.

I didn't say jiu-jitsu. I said let's talk. You're obsessed. I just want to get you away from your left versus right talking points because I'm neither. Because people with convictions. Bertrand. Left-right paradigm. Bertrand Russell will come out. Let's talk! You're obsessed. I just want to get you away from your left versus right talking points, because I'm neither. Because people with convictions, the left-right paradigm. Bertrand Russell will come out. The left-right paradigm.

I'm a centrist. I kind of am. Joe, here's the thing. And I started off very, and I still mean the complimentary things I said. But you can't bring people on and call them pussy and dumb fuck and bias. And then continue going back to an issue and with someone who agrees with you entirely and act as though, well, someone, well, now you're defensive?

Well, of course I'm defensive. Well, I think that you were spewing a little bit of anti-marijuana propaganda about traffic fatalities and I had to address it. Yeah, anti-marijuana propaganda. That's right. I'm paid by Big Pharma. No, I'm not thinking you're paid by anybody, but I just think you had a point of view. So why would I push the propaganda?

Propaganda, by definition, means I have to be pushing it for someone. It's not necessarily that someone is telling you to do it. It's just that you had a point of view that you had dug your heels in. Then it's not propaganda. It is propaganda. It's a wrong opinion. It's propaganda if you have read it and you are spouting it out, but that statistics prove differently. Well, okay.

Then I would say it's propaganda for someone saying weed cures cancer. I'm not saying you're promoting propaganda like someone's asking. Okay, pull that up then, Jamie. Weed cures cancer. Find out whether... I'm not saying cures. Doesn't marijuana have beneficial effects on cancer? No, no, no.

That wasn't my claim. Weed cures cancer. Nothing cures cancer. And that was what I was talking about. But who the fuck says nothing cures anything? I mean, things treat things. Half of your listeners will tweet me saying weed cures cancer. There you go. And that was what I was talking about. But who the fuck says nothing cures anything? I mean, things treat things. Half of your listeners will tweet me saying weed cures cancer. Is there a single drug that cures anything?

Things treat things. Sure. Sure there is. If your immune system fails... Plenty of drugs that cure. Okay, what drug cures things? Polio. Polio vaccine.

Done. Okay, polio vaccine doesn't cure things, you fuck. It prevents you from getting polio. The disease is effectively cured. Do you understand what you just said? Yeah. You just disproved yourself. The disease is effectively cured. Do you understand what you just said? You just disproved yourself. No, I didn't just disprove myself. No, the disease is not effectively cured in the person who has polio.

We're talking about marijuana curing cancer on people that don't have cancer yet. It's not a vaccine for cancer. What you're saying is marijuana cures cancer with people that have cancer. There's not a fucking drug. You proved yourself. There's not a medicine that proves that you can't fucking cure polio with a medicine You get so aggressive on no you're wrong. No you're wrong right here about polio

No, no, I'm not wrong when you said a blind side of you are? You have a blind spot. I'm pretty sure there's drugs out there that cure some diseases. I'm sure there are I never heard of them Well, they exist. Do you know who they are? Name one. Not offhand if I had someone who could bring it up. No, you don't have to bring it up, man. You're going to argue for it. Shouldn't you know?

I didn't argue for it. I don't think there are drugs necessarily that cure anyone. And I think that's incorrect. Your immune system has to be in place. If you're dying and someone gives you some sort of a drug, how many drugs are there that cure a nasty disease that's killing you? dying and someone gives you some sort of a drug, how many drugs are there that cure a nasty disease that's killing you? And how many of them have to be

also compensated? Your immune system has to kick in as well. There's a bunch of factors. It's not like, how many, I mean, there's penicillin that kills some venereal diseases and all sorts of different fucking horrible infections. There's not a lot

But it takes your immune system has to be in effect to there's a lot of factors So now we're getting to the definition of cure and yeah, man because you're talking about fucking polio Nothing cures polio bitch and marijuana no one's saying marijuana All the time all the time these are assholes those are the same people that say you're a Nazi Those are the same people that say you're a Nazi. No, it's pretty common. It's pretty common. You fucking Nazi. Punch Nazis. Well, for example, we had a woman on the show.

We had a woman on the show, a psychiatrist, who basically said, she said, people who are adult, healthy, smoke pot, she said, probably not a problem. She said, it is a problem for the developing brain, people who are under the age of 25. And she explained as to why. Probably correct. Yeah. And she explained as to why. I don't think they think that the human brain is even fully developed, your frontal cortex. And she talked about specifically also people who might have mental illnesses, whether it's schizophrenia or bipolar.

Most people don't realize that. Or depression, it goes unrecognized. And she talked about how for those people, marijuana can act as a trigger mechanism. So she said healthy people, none of these conditions, marijuana is probably relatively benign. But for some of these people and most people who might have these conditions are afflicted by them, it could be a real problem. She's got some very good points, but do you know that they've actually... And half the comments are, weed cures cancer, this dumb bitch should get off the show.

Look at this. Cannabis is shown to kill cancer cells in laboratory tests. See, question six. Yeah, it doesn't cure cancer, though. Well, kill cancer cells. No one's saying cure cancer. Yes, plenty of people are. Beneficial effects on cancer. I'm telling you exactly what people say. But you compared it to turmeric, you compared it to all these things. But look, the point being, I think you agree and I agree

that as long as it doesn't hurt other people any more than anything else, like sugar hurts other people. Look, if you want to make an argument for high insurance rates and you want to look at the overall causes of disease in this country and why insurance and health insurance costs so much, you would almost immediately go towards simple sugar. Simple sugar is a huge problem with people who are obese. Obesity is a huge issue in this country, and it's a major factor when it comes to health care costs.

I think it's adorable that you're telling me how to craft arguments. But don't you do this, Joe? I'm not saying that right? I think it's adorable that you're telling me how to craft arguments. But don't you do this, Joe? I'm not saying that. But I think it's adorable. It's an easier argument to say that ice cream should be illegal than it is that marijuana should be illegal. No, I don't. Why that? Tell me why.

No, I'm going to say what I was about to say beforehand because you keep redirecting the conversation. And for some reason, you're turning it into something hostile that it really doesn't need to be. It's not hostile. It is. It might be to you. Yeah, it is. You need to be. It's not hostile. It is. It might be to you. Yeah, it is. You feel weird about it. I feel great.

It is. It is when someone comes in to something where they know they disagree and two other people with the same opinion are going to do a team up. He doesn't even have an opinion.

I think that what you're doing right now, Joe, is like you talk about with people in jiu-jitsu. This is what I think. There are now a hundred scientific studies that say that

I think that you think these arguments work. Cannabis cures cancer. I think that you think these arguments work and I think it's like someone going to jiu-jitsu for the first time. You've never done it. I don't think you've ever actually gotten to a place

without someone who can bring up sources for you. I don't think you've gotten into an argument or done anything with a debate team where people would actually hold you accountable to the arguments that you make. Why are you saying you don't think that I have if you don't know what conversations I've had? I've never seen it. So what are you, been with me 24-7 for 49 years?

But my point is this. I think you would be very surprised. These are ridiculous conversations. Right now, you're the Kung Fu guy hitting the Kung Fu doll with the spikes. And you've convinced yourself that this is an argument that would work if you had other people more qualified than myself to discuss it. And you decided to zone in on an argument that you knew you would disagree with. This is a cute way of you diffusing all these stats that Jamie keeps bringing up. There's more than 100 hundred studies that proves that

cannabis cures cancer. Exactly. Do you deny those studies? You don't need a Jamie. Where's my Jamie? Jamie's pulling shit off the internet. He's not writing it, man. You asked me specifically about something where I changed my mind. Okay. So you clearly were ready or upset about the pot thing. I wasn't ready. Yeah, I probably wouldn't talk about that anymore. Because I don't really care about it and I think states should be able

to legalize it. Well, if you don't care about it, you seem fucking really touched. Because you asked me three follow-up questions. It'd be like me asking you why you endorsed Bernie Sanders on this show tacitly saying you would vote for him. No, man, you were talking about traffic fatalities. Went in the green room with the billiard stuff.

You said, man, he's insane with the socialist stuff. I don't think it's very genuine what you're doing. I think this is something that appeals to your audience. No, it's not. You started on with traffic fatalities and I thought you were wrong. No, I didn't start on. I didn't start on with traffic fatalities.

You said, what issue would you drop and not talk about? And this is exactly why. Right, but when we talked about marijuana, that was one of the things that you said. These are the traffic fatalities, wasn't it? And there's no productive conversation that comes from it. Oh, sure there is. No. For people who are listening to this, this is extremely productive, because they understand

how someone with blinders can ignore the evidence and figure out some way where they're being wronged intellectually. Someone will say that, oh, you should be in some sort of a debate. You've never been in a debate. You don't know what fucking debates I've been in. You know what conversations I've been in with people that have eyes, right? You don't know. You don't know what conversations I've had. I'm calling you on your bullshit, man.

I'm calling you on your bullshit. Then do it when people can see. Conversations that I've had? You're saying I've never had a conversation with someone who's prepared. You do it with a safety net with other people who agree with you. And you bully people. Oh, Steven Crowder. I'm not bullying people.

We're having fun. Why is this bullying? It's bullying because there are two people who hold one opinion, ask me on something that I don't care about, follow up three, four questions to go into an area where you two are very specifically passionate. And I said, I don't want to talk about it. You don't want to talk about it because you're wrong. No, I don't want to talk because I don't care.

Because he keeps showing you're wrong. If states want to legalize it, that's fine. But it is a valid issue when people of Colorado are looking at this now. And there are people in Colorado who might vote differently on the marijuana issue because of how it's perceived or because of the information at hand. And I believe that people in Colorado should be able to vote. They voted for pot. But if they want to vote the other way, in states, they have the right to do that.

Who's arguing against that? Well, that was my point when we were talking about marijuana. My point was, when I worked at Fox, we were thrust onto panels where you had to talk about this because it was going on in Colorado. I can't believe you called me a bully. That's such a left-wing tactic. You are. How dare you?

You are. How dare you? You are. How is it a bully? You are. You do that. Facts. Facts. No, no, no. There's no facts. How is it a bully? You use all You are. How dare you? How is it a bully? You are.

You do that. But facts? Facts bully you? No, no, no. There's no facts. How is it a bully? You use all of this, use these absolutes and call someone on it and then say, well, no, hold on.

I'm just joking. What absolutes do they use? What absolutes do they use? You said, well, okay, let me give you one that I can pull from my memory bank. Please do. All of them were on alcohol. That did fuck that up. Yeah.

And you've done it several times. But we did. We're supposed to pull up statistics. But if we want to have a productive discussion, I wouldn't be doing that. But I know there's a large number. There's a large number. Is this Narconon or one of those companies? One of those. There was one that was unlikely source.

Oh, shit. It's 5 o'clock? Yeah. Well, you don't tell me you have to leave now. My flight's at 6. Before we turn this around. Boy, you're going to miss your flight no matter what now. You're fucked. We're going to be fine, dude.

No, I'm not going to be fine. I'm not going to make my flight back. Yeah, you're gonna be fine You live in America. It could be in Ethiopia right now Huddling in a fucking hut, you know trying to protect yourself from a some rabid animal. Yeah, don't be scared We're gonna be fine. You got a little defensive. I thought we're friends No, you didn't. I thought you did. I thought I wanted to have you on here. Listen, listen. I thought we were going to have some fun. We were having fun, and then toward the end of the conversation, you asked me what issue you do not care about.

I don't really care about the pot issue, which I thought I cared about when I was 21. You said you wouldn't defend issues from when you were seven years ago, right? All of your cells have... When I was 21, I was probably a lot harsher on pot than I am today. I thought it was worse. I grew up around it. I had negative experiences. Then I realized that was anecdotal. I don't really care much anymore about it. I think

states should be able to do what they want to do. Then three, four, five follow-up questions so we could get to a point into this debate where the show has now gone on two, three hours long, and I've missed my flight. Well, what you were trying to say was that people that are pro-marijuana ignore the negative consequences of marijuana, and I asked you what those were and you said traffic fatalities. One of them. And then we tried to find out if that's true and we found out it's not. We didn't find out that it's not true. You made an argument

that it's not true, but we didn't definitively find out that it's not true. There's a lot of statistics. Well, you just, it's very easy to do that when you ignore opposing statistics. No, let's find the opposing statistics. And make false claims about them. Let's have Jamie find opposing statistics. Joe, I don't have another hour. And make false claims about them. Let's have Jamie find opposing statistics. Joe, I don't have another hour. I've missed my flight. I don't have another hour to get to the problem issue. You definitely have plenty of time, man.

You're not going to get your flight. You've got a lot of time. This is an interesting argument. Right. It's an interesting argument because it shows what happens when people not necessarily disagree, but getting to a position where one person wants to have the upper hand. You keep jockeying back and forth.

We're trying to figure out who's going to wind up on the top of the heap. No, there's no jockeying back and forth. Not at all. You're the one jockeying back and forth. Oh, sweetie. You know that's not true. Don't call me sweetie. Come on, honey.

That's a bully thing. Honey. Come on, that's a bully thing. If that's a bully thing, then we have a real problem in this country. Pussy. Come on. Dumb fuck. Honey.

Dumb fuck might be bullying. Yeah. Sweetie is not bullying. Which you've done. Come on. I did it as a joke because I thought we're friends. You don't think. We talk every now and then.

I like you. I like you too, but I knew. You don't think we're friends? You brought me a pipe. You gave me a pipe. I did give you a pipe. You've been on my podcast twice. I know.

How dare you? I'm guessing probably not invited back. You're a goddamn bully. I'll invite you back. Are you serious? Here's the truth. Are you upset more than me? Who's more upset here?

Listen, when you say you're defensive and you have somebody else to bring up sources, let's be real here. I'll look up anything you want me to. No, I don't want you to look up anything you want me to. Jamie will be, let me tell you something. If Jamie found something that shows me I'm wrong and he does all the time, he pulls it up. Well, not gay Jared knows it is a standing power. On our show, we do it differently.

And that's why I invited you on the show. How do you do it differently? We do it differently. Okay, if Christopher Titus comes on the show, if Sally Cohn comes on the show, if you come on the show and you say, I want to talk about pot in the show. If you say that and you say, I disagree with you. I say, okay, not gay Jared, not a word. And you don't bring up any sources.

This is going to be a conversation of ideas. Well, this is the difference between you and me. I'd let him talk. I'd be like, you think I would ask him. No, Jared talks all the time, but I don't think it's fair. Why not going to be a conversation of ideas. Well, this is the difference between you and me. I'd let him talk. I'd be like, do you think, I would ask him. No, Jared talks all the time, but I don't think it's fair. Why not? I would talk to him, too. He's a human being. I don't think two-on-one in an argument is fair. It's not two-on-one. Yeah, it is. You know, it's not.

And if he disagrees with me and you disagree with me together, we can go back and forth all together. I don't care. I don't mind if there's three people. Get another friend that hates pot. Bring him in. I don't hate pot. Well, I mean, just, I'm saying, like, find someone who does. What absolutes? No, another friend. Not you. another friend that hates pot. Bring him in. I don't hate pot. Well, I mean, just, again, I'm saying, like, find someone who does. What absolutes? No, another friend. There's a total mischaracterization. No, no, hold on a second. Before you said, what absolutes? Another friend who hates pot.

I said mischaracterizations and absolutes. There. I don't hate pot. I'm not saying you do. I'm saying get a friend who hates pot. Bring him in as well. Get another friend who hates pot, Joe. Get another friend. What does another mean? Get another friend who also hates pot. Have him look up another. Have Jamie look up another. I should have used the word also. No, because the implication there is another meaning you hate pot.

No, I don't think you hate pot. If I said, Joe, get another person who endorsed Bernie Sanders and then had an egg on his face. I think you hate losing arguments. I think you hate losing arguments. I gave you the argument and you continued for another hour, Joe. You didn't really. You gave it to me with a caveat. And that caveat is that I'm a bully and that Jamie pulls up statistics that only benefit my ideas.

On that argument, you are. You are. You are. How is it a bully when two people are talking? How is it bullying? It's not two people talking though. You don't have a conversation with two people talking. You have a fail safe.

You have other people who agree with you. You have an audience who agrees with you. I'm on your program. I'm talking to my audience, man. Just two people talking. Let me be clear. Okay. I don't hate pot. Okay. I couldn Just two people talking. Let me be clear. Okay. I don't hate pot.

Okay. I couldn't care less if you want to smoke pot, if states want to legalize pot. Okay. I couldn't care less about that. Now. Okay. Pot is not a substance without consequence. That's all.

And some of those consequences can be damage to the developing brain when they're 25. We had a psychiatrist on talk about it, and people called her a dumb bitch who, you know, weed cures cancer. There have been statistics and reports on fatalities increasing regarding marijuana. You may not accept them, and maybe you're right on those sources. Maybe your sources are more valid than my sources. I'll grant you that. So my issue is when people are dishonest

and only present one side of the issue. I just presented several sides and on my show on a regular basis. Listen, if you want to smoke pot, I couldn't care less. Go ahead and smoke pot. And I think that the people who have tried to make you think, you know, reefer madness and wacky tobacco, I think that's overblown. But I also think there are some issues that people who simply want to justify it, sometimes a habit, which could be negative to some people, not all, overlook completely one side of the issue. And there is an entire side of the medical community who disagrees with you.

And I don't know that I agree with them or disagree with them yet. Wait a minute, the medical community? There is an entire side to the medical community who would disagree with your position. And I don't know that you think marijuana is a benign substance. I don't think it's benign. Developing brains, we already discussed that. Okay, good example. Developing brains.

I don't think alcohol is as well. I think a lot of, I would agree. I think a lot of kids who listen to this show, I know you're not responsible, it's like you should be 18 in Canada, you should be 16 years old to drive a car, you're not telling kids to go and smoke up. But I think a lot of people who are listening, you have many young listeners who are in that developmental stage, certainly under the age of 25, who only hear the positive virtues extolled of marijuana.

Sometimes they're not entirely honest. Sometimes they're not entirely accurate, I should say. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. Necessarily accurate. How so? Like what positive things are not necessarily accurate, I should say, I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. Necessarily accurate, how so? Like what positive things are not necessarily accurate? Have you ever on your program talked about how harmful marijuana could be to the developing brain under 25? Yeah, we have.

Many times. Have you? In a way that you've conceded that's valid? No, we've said, I don't think you should do anything. I don't think like any 15 year old should do anything to their brain because we don't know what the fuck happens to your brain when you give a kid alcohol. I did it. I'm sure you probably did it too.

When did you drink first? How old were you? Probably like 15. Well, first beer quite young. I think I was 14 the first time I got drunk with my friends. I mean, it's terrible. It's not good for you. It's not smart.

It's definitely not smart. And I know and you know and I'm sure we all know someone who did get completely overindulgent in marijuana and became one of those wake and bake people that ruined their life. And I think people can do that with almost any substance, anything that's psychoactive at least. I think people do that with cigarettes where they need that fucking cigarette more than they need anything. I think a lot of AA people do that with cigarettes and alcohol. They replace their weird addiction to alcohol to something that's not as bad for them. I think there's a lot of things for the developing mind, particularly for the developing mind, that we have available to us all the time that are really dangerous. You know,

I had Henry Rollins on here and he was talking about when he was a little kid, he was like five year old, they put him on Ritalin. Yeah. At the time he was five. I think that's fucking horrible. I think psych meds for little kids that don't necessarily need them, but maybe they're just a little too energetic. I think all that shit's horrible. So whether it's marijuana or alcohol or Quaaludes or whatever you want to give a 15 year old kid that's got a developing mind, I think there's massive consequences and I don't think you can really calculate those consequences.

That's my position. I think you can calculate those consequences. I think you can, but you would have to fuck up a lot of kids in order to really prove the statistical viability of what damage is being done to kids and how much would cause the damage. Are you talking about Ritalin now? I'm talking about Quaaludes, alcohol,

marijuana, heroin, meth. Who does Quaaludes in 2017? Quaaludes, oxys. Let's go with Oxycontins. I'm just talking about downers. I'm talking about anything where it's a depressant or a stimulant. There's a significant amount of effects across the board. I think it's a barbiturate, by the way. I think it's just classified as narcotic.

It's not like a downer. Like a benzodiazepine or something. Aren't opiates considered a downer? I don't think they're officially considered barbiturates. Is it a depressant? Alcohol is a depressant, right? Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant. Right.

But I know something like a Quaalude or I actually knew a power lifter where the only drug he could... People don't remember this. It's a date rape drug. It was a prescribed drug. A guy named Chad. One of the date rape drugs. Well, whatever the most common date rape drug. I don't know if it's actually Rufalin or whatever it's called.

But most commonly used or the most effective date rape drug. I know what you're thinking about, but I don't know if it's I don't know it's actually ruffling or whatever it's called but most commonly used or the most effective date rape truck I know what you're thinking about but I can't it's not coming to me I know the drug but it's it's a weird one where it helps bodybuilders sleep well this guy's a power lifter yeah power lifters do it too because it actually infers more develop more growth well not just growth hormone but recovery time because they have like deep sleep. Fuck, what is it called? But you know what I'm talking about.

What is it? It's used as a date rape drug. Or a hypnologist. No, that's Rufy's. That's Rufy's. There's another thing. I know what you're talking about. But it's used as a date rape drug.

Yes. And there was a guy who actually, that was the only thing he could sleep on. And then it became so, they don't prescribe it anymore. He had an 1100

squat was close not quite world record but close to it and uh lived out in reno nevada and uh that was the only way he could sleep when he wasn't able to get it anymore his lifts did you find it fell progesterone no no god damn it it's got like a real common name i'll text my buddy because he had an overdose of it. God. But he was like 18. Oh, God. Hold on a second. Can you talk, please? For a moment

while I pull this up? You want me to talk? GHB? GHB. Thank you. That's it. I'm pissed. I had a buddy of mine.

I have a show to do tomorrow. Where are you going? I have to go back. I have a show tomorrow. A TV show or radio? My show to do. There's no way we're going to get it done.

Us making up is going to be so good for your show and my show's no way we're gonna get it done us making up is gonna be so good for your show and my show too no it's not the entire commentary from this is gonna be oh my god what a moron he thinks so weed doesn't cure cancer oh man we're gonna be fine i guarantee it i guarantee it don't be don't worry about it we're gonna be we're gonna get through this and get through it in a way that makes sense look i i definitely get weird with these conversations and I assume everybody can get, you know, fake hostile with me. So if I call it, come on, bitch, I talked to you like that. I don't mean it in a negative way. I do it like I would do it if you were Brian Callen and he would start laughing along. Yeah. But you live in Michigan, you get a little sensitive. When you go, that's

adorable. Let's listen to that. That is adorable. Hold on a second. When you go that's adorable that is adorable when you say that's not meant to and we were joking about other topics but on that you lasered in got serious you're wrong let's stay on this pounded in that's just I don't understand the purpose to it have some fun

so that's fun so you like doing that you like having someone in disagreeing with them when someone's getting a little silly like I think you might have is a little bit of fun. So you like doing that? You like having someone in disagreeing with them? When someone's going to town. When someone's getting a little silly, like I think you might have got a little silly. I like to have a little fun. Got a little silly? Did I bring up the pond issue?

I said it's the issue I care about the least. Come on, let's get away from that. We're free. We're out of the woods. We're back on the road. We're doing good. You just want to grab the wheel and go fucking crazy again. Turn towards the trees. Don't do it. Resist. Nitro hibiscus cold brew tea. That's tea.

Yeah. I had a hibiscus beer recently. Most disgusting thing I've ever had in my life. And I love hibiscus tea. Just does not work for beer. I bet if you were wearing Birkenstocks and you had white dreadlocks, you would've thought, This is amazing. Have you seen that kombucha beer?

It's hibiscus beer. I've had kombucha. No, no, kombucha beer. So that's like a kombucha that's like super strong, right? I don't know how they do it because the alcohol with the active culture in kombucha should figuratively, right? There shouldn't be alcohol. Shouldn't it figuratively eat it as sugar because of the way kombucha ferments? No, not necessarily.

Because GT's kombucha that you buy at Whole Foods, you have to actually have an ID to buy it. Because it's more than one half of one percent alcohol by volume. So you have to show your ID and be over 21 in order to buy kombucha. Right. Now that you say that, I think I might have tried kombucha beer once. Can I say the

name? Yeah, go ahead. It's called Good Vibrations. And there's one that's okay and one that literally tastes like vomit. There's like a ginger one and there's like a bit and one of them i don't the problem is i don't remember which one so it's rolling the dice every time you have it see some people i just tell them about kombucha about the positive benefits of probiotics and like you should try it and you should eat kimchi and you should eat i was a sauerkraut kefir is great i had my own culture did you have you ever had a have you ever done kefir farmer. Sauerkraut. Kefir's great. I had my own culture. Have you ever done kefir yourself? No, but I did make kombucha myself.

I've done that before. Kefir's easier. Really? Yeah, it looks like a slimy, kind of like a sea brain or cauliflower. Isn't that like a grain originally? Technically, it's a grain, but it's really just an active culture of bacteria and yeast. So literally, as opposed to yogurt with a straining or kombucha, you literally just put it in a jar, put it in on a countertop for a day and strain it.

And after I think about four or five batches, it's doubled. And then it quadruples. It's like an investment account. And my wife killed it while I was on the road, actually doing standup. I was, I had a few shows and I came back and you have to replace it every day. Otherwise there's no sugar to feed it. And I came back and it looked like a snot rag. And it was, so that was the end of it. And I just buy it at the store. Kombucha is not really a fungus, but it's somehow or another like a cousin of a fungus, and people think it's a fungus, but it's a life form. And when you get it, like I had it at one point in time, it was like the size of a laptop,

and I had this like big salad bowl, and I was growing kombucha in my refrigerator in a salad bowl. And the whole top of the salad bowl was this rubbery sort of life form. It's that like disc. Yeah. Like a pancake. But it would get big. It would get really big. And then what I would do is I would drain it into a pitcher and I would put the pitcher

into the refrigerator and then I would put more of the sugar water and I forget what all the ingredients were, but I know sugar was a part of it because the culture had to eat sugar in order to stay uh alive and then it would ferment and the fermentation was a part of it and then you would you know when you get like some sort of probiotic benefit from it that's a lot harder than kefir because kefir you just pour the milk and the lactose is the sugar and that's it and it's done what's actually good about it too, if you read the studies on it, like two tablespoons of kefir, like actual homemade kefir is tens of billions of microorganisms as opposed to yogurt might be millions. Super good for you.

And it's higher in protein because if you do the math, so you can still basically at that point, you're left without the lactose. So you're left with really just the fat and the protein and all the B vitamins. So it's like, I read an article once, I cannot corroborate this, but they said that goat's milk, whole goat's milk kefir, if you could only have one food, would be the most complete food you could have. Wow. But what about all your vitamins that you would get, like phytonutrients?

Well, it's not ideal. It's not ideal. I was thinking if you could only do one because you get the B vitamins, you get vitamin D, you get vitamin K. Yeah. And that's what I read. They said if you could only have one. And then there was an article that said if you could only have two, it would be like that and egg yolks.

Have you ever fucked with like some of those pharmaceutical grade probiotics? Like what was Rhonda Patrick was talking about those once on the podcast. She was talking about some stuff you have to refrigerate it. You buy it as like super potent. Oh, yeah, I have. Yeah, I have. Have you? Well, you know, my producer, Nakia Jared, had ulcerative colitis.

So he has no cold. Oh, Jesus Christ. So he's going to our office bathroom four or five times a day. Oh, the poor guy. And I had a problem one time where I was so stressed. You know, I have all these nerve endings where my stomach just, I felt like, oh, no, ulcerative colitis was getting tested for it. And it just turned out it was stress and uh they put me on these probiotics and it didn't really work um and then when i did the kefir

that actually helped a lot more wouldn't it be ironic if marijuana was really the cure that you needed the entire time i bet you probably would have helped because it would have eased the anxiety i bet you would have it might have but it also might have made you more anxious. Because it makes people... That's one thing. You want to talk about the... Here's the negative. I'll give you one sign of the negative that people ignore.

Is the paranoia that marijuana gives you. It 100% gives you paranoia. I have had some friends that were deep, deep potheads that went fucking cold turkey and don't want to go back. It's like a monster that's in their closet that's waiting to get them them when they go to pick out their socks there's there's no doubt about it it has this one effect on some people particularly if you take too much of it or if your life is getting away from you you know if it's like slipping away from you and then you start waking bacon and then you just don't ever deal with all your issues so they compound and fucking whirlwind

I was told that you know of bullshit by my shrink She's like you probably have you done this gene site testing no what's that really haven't done it? I'm surprised so um it's mainly used in psychiatry now But they're saying it's gonna have all kinds of future with you know determining cancer and things like that and they actually use it to look For depression bipolar ADHD and they can look at your genes now., I'm not a doctor, so I'm going to butcher this, but basically, for me, they can look at your dopamine and say, this is how your genetics work.

Can they tell if you're gay? I don't know if they can tell if you're gay, but maybe they'll find it at some point. Did you accept it? I already have accepted it. I actually have a video called, Do You Choose to Be Gay? And my answer is definitively no. What if it was you? Well, again, because I don't choose a pretty much new when i tuned into the oc when i was a kid and i was looking at misha barton rachel bilson and the

people who wanted to screw adam brody i think that's when you realize you're gay um if it were me then i'd be gay okay what does that matter just question would you be uncomfortable if i were gay no i've had milo on the show because i've complimented you quite a bit thank you you could look back and think well well, maybe he's gay. Maybe it'd alter your motives. I don't think I would think that. But with dopamine, with me, we have a relative in the family who actually, well, I should say, who has an issue.

And so they looked at genes that create serotonin. And they go, OK, most people have a long gene and a short gene. And you have two short genes. And with me, that's the case with dopamine. So a lot of people who would maybe typically be addicts or people with ADHD or people who, for me, I didn't realize this until I was a lot older. Look, I'm going to totally expose myself as vulnerable to all the angry potheads after the argument. I didn't realize until I was older, I didn't actually feel the same feelings of joy or like pleasure that other people do. So dopamine, right?

You know how that works. It's your reward center. You do something good, bing. And I was a B student in high school. I never opened a textbook because if I completed something, I did a project. That was it.

Most people are like, I did a project. I was like, okay, I did a project. What's the next thing? I never really felt that reward center in the brain. And they did this gene site testing and they found that basically I have the worst genetic pattern. It's not entirely accurate,

but it's actually increased the efficacy of antidepressants from like a one and uh a one in two to like a two and three wow something like that um because they can look and and look at your genetics more effectively and so no i'm sorry to interrupt but are you have you taken antidepressants uh i've taken adhd medication that's not antidepressant no it's not antidepressants? I've taken ADHD medication. That's not antidepressants. No, it's not antidepressants, but it's easy to- Hyperactivity disorder is a completely different situation, right? Well, but it's also basically a dopamine shortage. ADHD is?

Mm-hmm. Wow. That's why stimulants on people who actually have ADHD don't rev them up, actually just zone them in. Some kid takes Adderall who's studying, and they feel like wired. And before the genetic testing, that's how they often tested for it as well how do you react to this drug and if you feel wired like you know me with all this I had 600 milligrams of caffeine right then you probably don't have ADHD what kind of shit did they put you on when they put you on ADHD medication you know the basic like Adderall stuff like that oh so they put you on Adderall yeah I'm taking it

and I don't I don't take it every day because I never want to be dependent on it. How often do you take it? I don't know. A couple times a week? Yeah, probably. Do you just take it when you feel it down? No, it is amazing. I will tell you this. I never realized until I took it. And I'm not advocating because I think it's

way over prescribed. I think you're right. I don't think you should put kids on it. I think you're right too. And most kids who are, I don't think you should put kids on it. I think you're right too. And I think that most kids or most people who take it don't need it. But I also think that there are people with real conditions out there. Like you. That can benefit from it. Well, you have a genetic, you can prove it.

Well, because for the longest time, my wife will hear this and she'll, I denied it through and through. I thought, no, you know, there's, this is just, this is bullshit. The ADHD is just to get kids whacked out on Ritalin. And, uh, I, you know, I had people I would deal with like counseling or stuff. And I was like, okay, cause I would get stress. I had stress management issues. And, uh, they're like, you know, have you ever thought about ADHD? I'm like, no, no, I don't believe it. And then, um, I was given a book on ADHD and I never, I've never finished reading it. I'm like three pages and moved on to something else. And, uh, they said, okay, um, let's do this test, this whole kind of questionnaire deal. And it was pretty extensive, you know, short of actually doing a CAT scan. So, okay. You test

like in the top 99th percentile. And we did the gene site testing. I think it's called gene site. And, um, it was, it was pretty remarkable. And I will say that, uh, I won't get into exactly what it is that I've done or what medications I've taken, but it was, it was pretty remarkable. And I will say that, uh, I won't get into exactly what it is that I've done or what medications I've taken, but it was certainly life-changing as far as I didn't know what normal people felt like. Wow. That's really fascinating. ADHD is a fascinating form of a sort of a mild mental disorder. That's extremely frequent. I don't think it's as frequent as a lot of people think though. I would give you like, I think it's over prescribed. I really do people think, though. I would give you, like, kids... You think it's over-prescribed? Yeah, I really do.

I really do, because whenever I say it, you know, people go, oh, I, too, I'm major ADD. I go, no, no, no. It's not the same thing. Right, that's the thing that people like to say to just compensate for them being a douchebag. Asperger's. I'm so ADHD. I'm on the spectrum.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm on the autistic spectrum. So, but it is... I came into it kicking and screaming. Oh, wow. I i mean i never did any in school i just did the bare minimum so boring so boring and um then when you know they started doing actual like you know test you know iq testing and stuff and we found like well listen medication doesn't make you smarter see i have my own theories about this whole thing that they do when they take kids and they make them all sit in the same school, in the same class, and listen to the same subject.

I don't think there's anything in life that mirrors that. And I think experiences in life vary radically. survivors and, you know, winners and losers and how genes get expressed and how evolution takes place in nature. Yeah. There's all sorts of different kinds of animals. Why wouldn't we assume there's all sorts of different kinds of people? Whenever you force all people to sit down and do the same thing, you're going to have aberrations.

You're going to have people that don't, like, obviously you found something with your show and with public speaking that you you excel at like you found this thing like you this ranting thing that you could do we could just go on a hundred words a second about all these different things like you found this thing where whatever way your brain works yeah it works perfectly for that it's the same thing with a stand-up comedian the same thing with a musician, an author. There's a lot of people that daydream all the time, like, oh, you're a fucking loser. No, this guy's writing books in his fucking head. Just give him a goddamn laptop and he's going to make a million bucks. You know what I mean? It's like-

Well, I mean, and the truth is people, they want to ignore, you probably talked about this with Kristina off summers. Actually, there are people who have a lot of those kinds of interactions that you talked about in the classroom on a daily basis. They're called women. They sit down and talk. Think about women they get together with a book group or whatever it is. They literally sit down and listen, and they'll listen to someone, and that's it. And they'll sit because they're very auditory. That's the way they learn. The public education system in the United States was designed for girls from the ground up.

And you put boys into a world where they don't do well. They do not thrive in that atmosphere, but girls do. And that's why girls have much higher grades in high school, going into college. And then when boys can study at their own pace, they do better on the SATs. There's actually a great book called Wild at Heart, I think, by John Eldridge that talks about that. And this was a long time ago. Then rather, we know boys learn better with their hands. Think about it, right?

It's considered a masculine gym, shop, or not just masculine things, but physical science where you're working in a laboratory. Those are subjects where boys actually tend to do better than girls often in high school, or they rate it as something they like. Instead of changing the way we do male education, we try and change little boys. And that's a real, that's a real problem. And I think that's a big reason, not because someone was bullied because someone used the word fag. I think you probably have a lot of incidents of depression in young boys in particular because you're putting them in an atmosphere where they can't possibly succeed. Yeah, well, I think both are problematic, but I think the square peg round hole issue

has been there from the beginning of school in the first place. I mean, I don't mean to be like a proponent of homeschooling, but really, every, I mean, once you have kids, I think you kind of realize that God damn, every kid out of the box is a totally different thing. They're just different. Yeah. We're going to homeschool. Cause my, my wife, she went to Montessori school and she went to, uh, I don't know if it was a public high school or private high school. Um, but she's, she's basically, she's a genius. She's very, very smart, but she did not do well in a normal school at all, At all.

Do you think you could find a school that maybe is more flexible? That's the Montessori school. Socializing is critical for kids. And socializing during the day, they learn about each other. They learn about interactions, and you can talk to them, too. They come home. Debbie said something mean to me. What did she say?

Yeah. I think that's important. I can tell you kind of a tale of two homeschooled kids I have I won't give any names here because I have they'll know who they are. Okay family. They have homeschooled kids very weird Just stare at their screen all day. I have another Family friends who were homeschooled their kids They're the best kid you could possibly have in an adult dinner table because they put the kids in jiu-jitsu i think one of them does tennis they put kids in all kinds of social activities they travel with the kids they take them to europe and then whenever

they have adult get-togethers where it's appropriate for kids to be they still have adult night and date night um kids can be there and they'll speak when asked to speak they don't interrupt they're able to interact with adults they're probably the most well-adjusted kids I've ever seen. And then I have seen the weird, creepy homeschooled kids where you do your class on your iPad, and then afterwards you get to watch PewDiePie, you know, play video games or whatever it is. So it really does come down to the parents. But I do think that a parent who knows how to homeschool a kid, I think that's going to be a— especially if the mom is at home with the kids, you know, I think that's a huge leg up for them.

Well, there's obviously so many variables as far as the intellect of the parents and what their thought process is behind homeschooling their kid and what their experience level is and how much thought they put into it and where they're coming from emotionally, psychologically, intellectually. Yeah, there's a lot of variables. I mean, the idea of homeschooling is bad or homeschoolinging's good i have friends that have homeschooled three of their kids they have four kids they homeschooled three of them the kids are fine yeah they're fine they put a lot of work into it they spent a lot of time with their kids they took their kids all over the world they took their

kids traveling all through europe yeah you know they just decided at some point in time and it wasn't always homeschool they had done some some public school. They had done some private school and then they got to a point they were like, look what are we doing here? The kids got older into their pre-teens and then their teens and then they came to this conclusion like what they're coming

back from high school with and from middle school with is not what I want them to be exposed with. I want to, rather. I want to be exposed to the classics. I want them to be exposed to life and just looking at human beings in a way that's like open-minded and traveling and seeing things. And so instead of like necessarily just having them take Spanish, they lived in Spain for

a little while. They went to Spain and lived there. So they did some interesting shit. Crazy Asian you were talking about on Tucker Carlson. She's a middle school teacher. Think of the enclaves of crazy places where these social justice warriors go and often they go into teaching because it's their way to get power of these little

kids. And here's the thing. That was really we wrote about that on the website. And what I wrote about that was. That interview? Yeah. What I wrote about that was. This is a horrible interview because she's okay with violence in Berkeley. But what really disturbs me is every other professor out there who isn't a national story. Let's say she didn't get caught on camera hitting a guy with a stick, right? But some kid stands up who's a conservative in middle school. I was that way where I would argue with a teacher and just

says, well, I think you're wrong. And she kicks that kid out of class and just says that kid's being disruptive. And so, or if that, let's say that teacher is the principal gets the kid expelled from school. These people have these little enclaves of power, these positions of authority and parents kind of have to trust the teacher. So you see that it's a national story. She's exposed, but what about all the teachers who aren't? I had a teacher, uh, complain to my parents and talk about how disrespectful I was and what about how disrespectful I was and what a horrible person I was because I think in the

9th grade I actually argued I was like I actually don't think we should give the land back to the Native Americans when she was teaching that I'm with the teacher fuck you yeah but I made an argument and she what was your argument what did you say well I was a smart ass so this was me as you know

I was a 14 year old and I said the fact, I was a smartass. So this was me as a 14-year-old. And I said, the fact that, I remember who she was. I won't use her name. I said, the fact that you're wearing Levi's and because you have a sore throat, you're speaking through an electronic speaker when you just drove here in a Toyota Yaris and you're in an electrically powered school in a union tells me you're glad that we settled here. And she just, she didn't answer. She didn't argue.

She just sent me out of class. And I remember the next morning, I thought it was kind of, I didn't really think, my dad was furious because he got a call from someone saying I was disrupting class or she asked students. Was your dad mad at the teacher? No, he's mad at me. Why was he mad at you?

Because he didn't get the full story. He just, you know, he just hears Stevens being immensely disrespectful. Right. Talking back in class. He didn't get the full story. He just hears Stevens being immensely disrespectful, talking back in class. He didn't hear the, she asked for an opinion. This was MRE, moral religious education, was a class we had to take in Montreal. Moral religious education. Yep.

So there's guilt for the First Nation people up in Canada. Is that what it is? It's just specific professor. And a matter of fact, I learned what right wing was because I remember at one point, that's so right wing. That's so right. And I didn't know what it was. I was 14. I had said something and I said, Dad, what does right wing mean? He says, well, and he kind of explained to me the political spectrum.

I said, OK, I guess I am right wing. I was in Alberta and I was with some friends who live up there and we were fishing. And we were fishing right next to these First Nation people, which are their Native Americans. Right. And they have a limit of walleye that you can take. You can only take one walleye per day. Right. If you're a regular person. But if you're a First Nations person, you could just pull in as many as you want. And and I was like, how does that work? And they go, oh, it's way crazier than that. They can go out at night with spotlights and shine them on moose and gun them down from trucks.

Right, because then it frees them? Yeah. The spotlight? Yeah, they don't know what it is. They don't know what they do? They stand still and they try to figure out what's going on. Moose don't see spotlights ever in the real world. So when they see one, they freeze

and then they shoot them with guns from trucks. And I was like, what what so they're allowed to poach. Yeah, it's not poaching They can do whatever they want well how many are they allowed to kill as many as they want so they can kill all the Moose they can kill all the moose whoa yeah I was like what that is that seems that seems odd who makes a great argument in the Native American cases actually have you read Chael Sonnen's book no it's very interesting And he talks about this like Michael Medved and Dennis Prager have talked about this, but I was surprised as to how cogent Chael's arguments were. He's a very smart guy. Well, he's a very smart guy. And then he always kind of plays it down or plays it up when it's convenient. But if you read his book, he talks

about it. He says, it's just a numbers game. The reason that we were able to colonize here is entirely because of Native Americans. They were being, he wrote about it in a way, I'm butchering it, but he said like, when we came, for example, like, let's talk about the Mayans. He goes, they had literally pyramids or Aztec, whatever, they had buildings entirely full of gold. He goes, now, how do you think they procured said gold? Do you think that they maybe went to other tribes or other members and said, you are going to bring us this coal, gold or B die.

And so what happened was thousands upon thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands said when the conquistadors came, who would never have had enough to take over that, that area of the world said, we're going to take our chances with the red guys with the beards and the metal helmets, because they've been treated so poorly for so long.

And the same thing, if you look at the Algonquins and the Iroquois in Quebec, those were the tribes that we had and the kind of the pact that they would have. And listen, they screwed them. Don't get me wrong. They really screwed them with the firewater thing and they pulled the rug out from under them. I'm not defending it. But the idea that we came in and just conquered these people, no, there were a lot of people who were mistreated because it's horse culture that they, first off, they hadn't domesticated horses. They didn't even use the wheel. And so a lot of the things that were taught are not true and were taught that they were peaceful.

No, they weren't peaceful. That's why all of a sudden these new people who came in with sticks that go boom had thousands of Native Americans at their disposal who were willing to die with them because they were tired of being treated that way. And I made some argument to maybe that effect, got in trouble, got sent home. Well, it's a complicated issue that spans hundreds of years, but there was certainly intertribal warfare, and the word that Sioux used, they don't use the word Sioux. They use the word Lakota. They call themselves Lakota people.

Sioux is a word for enemy. That's what it means. So that's what other Native American cultures would call them. They would call them the enemy because they were killing each other. The Nez Perce and the Apaches. They would go to war with each other, neighboring tribes. It was constant. It's just when the Europeans came, they were so overwhelming that we feel bad for what they did.

But you know what killed more Native Americans than anything? Our diseases. Our dirty, dirty bugs. We came over here and coughed on them and they all fucking died. Well, that's another thing too, right? That we killed them deliberately with smallpox blankets. That's not true. That's not true.

We didn't have, we didn't even understand. We didn't have germ theory. They didn't understand. They didn't, they didn't understand that scabs, if you like take, like the idea was you took scabs from people with fucking diseases and you put them on blankets and you gave them Native American. Walk out rubbing your hands. No, that's good.

Well, a big thing was horses. Yeah. They hadn't domesticated horses and a lot of animals. So think about that. You've never come in contact with these animals. They're in the wild and all of a sudden these people are coming off effectively with a boat that's a giant farm and they're bringing these animals in that you've never had contact with before.

All kinds of diseases. Oh, sure. Well, that's the thing that people, a lot of people who don't understand where diseases come from, a giant percentage of them come from our livestock. Right. That's why you have swine flu and avian viruses and all these different things. SARS in the Toronto airport. Only Canada.

SARS? Yeah, we brought back SARS. You were the only ones who had SARS? What was SARS called? What did it stand for? I don't remember. I just knew SARS. I knew all the Asians were wearing those masks at the Toronto airport.

I remember SARS. Yeah. That one, about ebola was just a year ago everybody's fucking we're gonna die ebola that fucking chick from new jersey that bitch she's she left the hospital right that was a big deal so much flack from conservatives too because i was like listen i don't like barack obama as a president but you can't blame Ebola on the guy. And they're like, oh, fuck you. It's an African disease. He's from Kenya. I know. And that's one of those things where I know I'm seen as an ideologue,

but it's something like we get so much flack for criticizing Donald Trump, for example, on some trade policies. We're like, I just think this is bad. What's the big thing that you've been criticized about Trump for? That I've been criticized about for? Yeah, that you're sure. Oh, just for criticizing him at all. Anything. Anything. Toe the line. Yeah, people get real

Us versus them, bro. Well, because, you know, they're used to, like, you've had people on the show, you've even mentioned on this program, people who are their only raison d'etre, right, is being a provocateur to offend, and there's a purpose to that, but if just offending people is the end goal, and I really don't think

that's what we do if people actually watch the show. I mean, people actually watch the show every day, an hour of content. Most of it is really pretty reasonable. They see the highlight reel of me dressing as a tranny interviewing Wendy Davis, right? That's from thousands and thousands of hours of the program. So we criticize him all the time, but less and less because every time he does something stupid, the left does something so bad so where it's like calling him literally hitler like that woman who was a school teacher who's talking about well they don't jim jeffries really bothered me about that woman who's a school teacher was she was talking about that just just labeling they're all fascists and you have to stop fascists and then when he described when he asked her what is a fascist

she gave like this shitbag definition of what a fascist is. It only suited her needs. Let's pull up the actual literal definition of fascist, young Jamie. What is the literal definition of fascist? As I interpret it, it is... I did a video on this and here's what's so funny. If I'm not mistaken, Google's definition brings up fascism and mentions right wing. But if you bring up communism or socialism maybe it's authoritarianism

something that's very clearly left wing they don't actually mention left wing okay an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism he went to spain to fight against the fascist to extreme right winger yes extreme right. Extreme right-winger. Yes. Extreme right-winger, rightist. Or a military coup throughout the old fascist regime. Synonymous. Authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial. See, this is where it gets weird.

Undemocratic, illiberal. Now type in communism. But hold on a second. Authoritarian and totalitarian. Like this, when you talk about extreme left-wing ideologues, you are talking about authoritarians and you're talking about totalitarians. And you're also talking about people that would advocate violence against anyone who does not fit their mold of how a person should think or behave. And what they do is they call them a fascist or they call them a Nazi. And that lets them alleviate themselves of any guilt of being a violent person against these people. And that's what happened at Berkeley.

And that's why this woman felt no irony about being on television saying that Milo is a homophobe when he's a gay guy. And she was also talking about justifying beating up people who weren't Milo. Jamie, could you hit authoritarian real quick? Yeah. Okay. Favoring or enforcing strict obedience or authority, especially that of the government, of the expense of personal freedom. It was fascism.

Now, do me a favor. Type in communism, and I want you to see the Google. So it just said right-wing extremism, right, with fascism, which is not a right-wing ideology at all. Communism, do we all agree, is an inherently left-wing ideology? Yeah. Well a political theory derived from Karl Marx well, there's a lot of like I had Jordan Peterson on the podcast and really talked about how it's like progressives who are sensitive and kind people graduate gravitate towards Marxism in a lot of ways because the initial draw

seems appealing advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid for according to their abilities and needs so here's the point and i wrote about this i think we did a video on this fascism which is not inherently right wing at all no it's not they write right wing extreme right wing illiberal communism which inherently has to be left wing it is the definition of the political spectrum of left wing would be communism and then capitalism and then in between can be authoritarianism and fashionism depending on the regime no mention of left wing with communism because i know there's a,

this is Google. They know there's a negative connotation. It's the first thing that comes up, but fascism, authoritarianism, they immediately try to attribute to the right. That's what people are fighting back again when they, when they talk about media and fake news and the constant bias. You see it there with Google. That's not fair. Right. Do you think there's a problem with also defining things in terms of a word like Marxism or like communism? Like, let's just talk about like, what are you trying to do? Like, what are, what are you actually trying to appeal to when you're saying that you can't have someone speak at your university if they say things that you don't agree with? Like, do you remember the story about the University of Toronto? Really famous story. Guy who is an author. They completely

misrepresented what his book was about. They were saying he's pro-rape culture and these feminists shut it down they pulled fire alarms the famous red-haired lady who's fucking screaming at people on youtube videos i remember her name uh melissa click i don't know what's a click no no no that's the one from the university of missouri oh i'm talking about the one from toronto who is like this like she's kind of funny in a way because she was like shut up fuck face i'm. She's screaming at those men. Remember that? Yeah. I mean, that was, that was this crazy moment in time where this guy had scheduled an appearance to speak about his book and someone had misrepresented his book, decided what his book was actually all about, and decided that they were going to have a campaign to make sure this guy couldn't talk.

Yeah. So people would show up, and they would try to just go to listen to this guy talk. And women were screaming in their face, you fucking rapist, you piece of shit. Yeah. And the guy's like, I want to hear the guy talk. Can I hear the guy talk? No, they wouldn't let people. I mean, that is fascism. Yeah, exactly. Isn't it? Well, it happened to with Ann Coulter in Toronto, I

remember. And whether you agree with her or not, I disagree with her on a lot. But she was, I remember she was asking me like, what? And I said, well, you don't understand freedom of speech doesn't really exist in Canada. As a matter of fact, it doesn't exist outside of the United States. It really doesn't exist in Canada. I mean, they have some weird rules. It doesn't exist in Europe. And when I they have some weird rules out there. It doesn't exist in Europe. No. And when I told her that, she couldn't. And then actually someone went on the news and said, well, what Ann Coulter needs to understand is that America has this idea of free speech and rugged individualism and all speech is protected. But that's not the case in Canada. And this was the representative they trotted out where she basically said freedom of speech does not exist in Canada.

And so you can read the YouTube comments where every time I say freedom of speech doesn't exist in Canada, thousands of people, that's bullshit, because they think they get to type in an internet message board. But you can be jailed in Canada for saying something wrong. You can lose your business. There's a human rights council. We talked about it actually yesterday. Mike Ward. Did you have him the comedian on? No, but we talked about, well he's got a different case, that's from Montreal.

We talked about the comedian from Vancouver that had the altercation with the lesbians and the crowd, they were heckling him and the comedians before and he called them some fucking you pussy eating dykes or whatever He said something crazy and they sued him and won they won. Yeah, he had pay I don't know if he's paid, but he it was tens of thousands of dollars I think it was like something like fifteen thousand dollars this fucking guy had to pay to these people were hecklers Yeah, I know that people and you know, that's why, again, when people say the left versus right, this is why it does matter. Because I lived through it in Quebec.

In Quebec, we only have the left. We have liberals and then liberal separatists. That's it. So there's liberals and there's liberals who want to only speak French and secede from the rest of Canada. Yeah, exactly. Quebec's a weird place, right? It's a very weird place. It's not like the rest of Canada.

It's multiculturalism gone awry. The French were a conquered people. It should have been, shut up, you're speaking English. Instead, they said, it's cute. Let's let them have their little enclave. And now it's just a nightmare for the rest of the country. That's what white golfers are afraid about with California. Is that what's happening?

Mexicans are just going to dominate and turn this whole thing into a Mexican-speaking joint. I don't remember what we were talking about before. Oh, yeah. The left versus the right. Because I do think you do at a certain point, and I think a lot of people are readily acknowledging now, that those stories that you're talking about, the red haired girl, the Melissa Glick, this Asian lady, you really can't find that today on the right. Right.

That is true. It just doesn't exist today on the right. It doesn't exist like that. Well, it doesn't exist period on the right. People try to point to parental advisory lyrics and stuff, and he probably has to pee as badly as I do. Oh, my God. You can go pee. to point to like parental advisory lyrics and stuff, and he probably has to pee as badly as I do, oh my god. You can go pee. That was Tipper Gore, right? Yeah, no, the parental

advisory thing from the 80s when they were trying she was trying to ban rap music. People forget about that. Al Gore's wife was trying to ban rap music. And Christians never wanted to ban South Park. That's one thing where they talked about, they said, no, we just don't want it on at night. We want it on late at night. We don't want our kids watching it. And I remember Trey Parker and Matt Stone Stone said Matt Stone. Yeah, Matt's donor Trey Parker

I saw Matt speak at UT and he just a guy stood up and he was like asking this question like honey fight bagging Against these Christians and he actually said he said well, you know what? He said we've actually never had an issue really he said they don't want it on in primetime We don't want it on in primetime We've seen them as an ally He said contrast that to the Comedy Central reaction where they decided to cut an episode because we put Muhammad in it. And that tells you who's really in power. Something to that effect.

But the kid who was at UT in Austin, my brother went to UT, so he would get access to all these speeches or presentations. The kid was dumbfounded. He thought, well, Matt Stone's not one of me. And Matt Stone's not a conservative. He's not a Republican. He's not a Trump supporter. But he just recognizes the intolerance today of the progressive left. Well, there's definitely an issue when you have that woman, the Melissa Glick lady who was yelling at that kid who was just a photographer. He was a journalist.

And I think he was hired to be there in a public space. He was Asian. Yeah. He's taking pictures. And she said, can we get some muscle here? Because we've created a safe space. He was Asian. Yeah, he was taking pictures. And she said, can we get some muscle here? Yeah. Because we've created a safe space. You can't take photos of our protests and our sit-in and our safe space

about racism. So we're going to get this Asian guy because he doesn't understand black America. Like, what the fuck, man? How long do you think she was waiting to say,

I just want to use the term muscle? Oh, man. She was just... I want to say get some muscle here. Well, she was intolerant in that she was very adamant about getting her way. And she did not consider whether or not they were in a public place. And this kid had the right to take those photographs. And again, like you said, this is an Asian kid.

I mean, this is not like some fucking white jock with a crew cut like from, you know, Back to the Future where you can say, oh, it's fucking Biff. Fuck him. You know, it wasn't that. It was like it was really hard to label him as an oppressor. But she still found a way. And it was such an Asian response, too, where he was just like, I just want to do my job.

I don't want to be the center of this story. He had his camera up above his head taking pictures. I don't want to start a march. She was like, you have to get out of here. He's like, no, I don't. No, this is my job. I'm paid to be here. You have a public thing going on here.

This is a protest. I have to urinate so badly a public thing going on here. There's a protest. I have to urinate so badly. Go do it, dude. Go do it. You're going to keep doing the show? No, we'll wrap up. We'll wrap up. Let's wrap up.

All right, let's wrap up. All right, so S. Crowder on Twitter. I'm glad we got through this, dude. No, seriously. I really appreciate your generous dude. I really do like you. No, I like you a lot, too. If I fucked with you a little bit, I treated you like a stand-up comedian.

I figured you'd fuck with me back, and you got a little. But we're fine. We got through it. No, that wasn't me. I'm glad we got through it. I'm glad'd fuck with me back and you got a little but we're fine We got that was me. I'm glad we got through it. We got through it. Yeah, we got no I'm listen seriously and for those listening honestly I won't say I don't because I don't want you to get in trouble if I say behind the scenes Joe has done some things He's he says I'm gonna been very nice. So he's a nice He you know, I don't know if that hurts your street cred of like no, I don't have any street cred I have zero street cred. Well, I like have cats. I don't have any street cred. I have zero street cred.

I have cats. You have cats? I have no street cred, dude. I take yoga. He's a good dude, too, folks. We're all fine. We're going to be fine. We're going to find a way, all these ideas, to come together.

This is part of it. This is part of it. So thank you very much. Thanks for tuning in. Thank you, Steven Crowder. Thank you, man. Thank you, everybody. See ya, fuckers! I'm not pissing. Thanks for tuning in. Thank you, Steven Crowder. Thank you, everybody. See ya, fuckers!

I'm not pissing you. I have to piss. Oh, hey, gang.