The Joe Rogan Experience - #926 - Joey Diaz & Alberto Gallazzi

Episode Date: March 6, 2017

Joey “CoCo” Diaz is a Cuban-American stand up comedian and actor. Joey also hosts his own podcast called “The Church of What’s Happening Now” available on Spotify. Alberto Gallazzi is a world-renowned strength and conditioning coach.

And we're live. Yeah. What are you doing over there, Joey? Just looking at your book. I've been reading that book lately and it's messing with my head. Which one? I even talked about it on the podcast, The War of Art. Oh, yeah. It's the shit. About resistance. So now I catch myself. Every time I want to do something, I catch myself. I've been practicing to look at the resistance levels

that comes up. Like different things I need to do. I want to see what excuse I give myself. Yeah, yeah. It's a normal thing, right? Normal. Mr. Galazzi. Hey, how are you?

How are you, brother? Very nice to meet you, man. My pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man. I hear fantastic things about you from Joey, from other people. So Joey insisted. He's like, you've got to get this coming on here, man. I hear fantastic things about you from Joey, from other people. So Joey insisted. He's like, you've got to get this guy in here, dog.

He's a fucking wizard. What he did for my shoulders. What did he do for your shoulders? You know, I've been going to Alberto. And Alberto is the man in Burbank for tactical fitness. Right. They do it in the mornings and the afternoon, but the one kid, Coach Robert,

he would just, after class, he would say, Joey, are you going to go home or do you want to do this for a little while? And at first, the first two weeks, the movements were difficult, but then, you know, level one stuff, man. Any age could do it if I could do it. Just laying on the back, lifting your hips, and spinning over on your toes and doing it back. And at first, I couldn't even... Look, Joe.

I couldn't move my elbows like that. Nothing. My shoulders, my wrists. And I kept staying for the 30-minute thing. Five exercises, three minutes apiece. That's it. No drama. You could be big, heavy. It's all stuff I could do.

Picking up your leg, putting it under. All body weight stuff. All body weight stuff that I could handle. If I could handle it on my wrist being 300 pounds, anybody could handle it. Simple stuff. And one day I was getting caught and like the guy was pulling me into his guard and magically my hips flew up and I just mysteriously got into side control and I something made me look up and Alberto Crane's jaw dropped

and he goes that's from doing that stuff you couldn't do that when you walked in here but I kept going to these 30 minute things 30 minute five exercises three minutes you're out of there at 145 so is this a like do you have like, a system that you bring to a bunch of different places and you have affiliates? Is that how it works? Yeah, I mean, I'm... Pull this right up to you. All right, sorry. It's the first time for me.

You've never done a podcast before? No, never. You speak fantastic English for someone who's from Italy. Right, thanks. I've been living, you know, I lived here years ago. Years ago, yeah. Oh. I got the call.

I got married years ago. Then I spent some time working. Be careful. Trump might take you out now. You've got to be super careful. No, I've already been out. You're even out? Back in Europe.

Oh, okay. Yeah, so I'm representing this system that has been developed by Scott Sonnen. Oh, Scott Sonnen. So it's like Club Bells, a lot of that stuff. I have a club at CST. We met each other a long time ago in 94. And then I was doing security contractor work. That was my line of business at the time.

I've always been involved in training, martial arts, and any kind of search training. And, you know, all the injury that I got from competing and normal weightlifting, you know, I've been lost contact with him for a few years. all the injuries that I got from competing and normal weightlifting. I'd lost contact with him for a few years and then I saw him in 2000 coming out with the clubbers. The clubbers really attracted me. It was different tools. I said, OK, I want to get back in contact with these guys. I want to understand how things can help me.

So I went back to him and it blew my mind. It blew my mind and helped me to get back in the best shape of my life. I feel now I'm 47, I feel I can move better, do things better than I used to do when I was 20. So I promised him, I'm going to make these things happen in Europe.

You're my coach, you change my way to see fitness and I'm going to do that. So between my job and security I was introducing this to my fitness, and I'm going to do that. So between my job and security, I was introducing this to my teams, and then I see changing on people, people being able even just to go moving easier, and then transfer to whatever it was, our training, handgun or whatever, skills and stuff,

everything was easier. So I started to believe, started to believe basically and i start to you know say okay i want to help more people that i can okay in my line of duty in the army because i still have a different contract as a consultant in the army back home as a physical trainer and sometimes also end-to-end combat training and i start to introduce these things from basic right because the system is very complex. As what Joe was talking about is all the mobility. Yeah, mobility is a big factor.

It's a big factor because for so long, people have just been concentrating on getting strong or getting in great shape. But, you know, I know people that are in fantastic shape. They can run forever, but they can barely touch their toes. And you develop these bodies that are severely limited in the amount of motion that you can actually get out of your body in certain motions you're really good you know you could you might be explosive with a bench press you might you might have a great run but whatever you else you're doing to your body you're

compromising all of your overall mobility so over the last few years there's been a tremendous amount of concentration and effort by a bunch of different trainers. Kelly Starrett, he's done a lot. Kelly's done a lot of work on his book, Becoming a Supple Leopard, an excellent book on that. And Kelly has a great Instagram you can follow too. And what he's done is he's done an amazing job in highlighting mobility and how important mobility and just having a full range of motion, which seems seems so simple but it's not something that most people really concentrate

on most people are concentrating on getting stronger more deadlift more bench press more this more that but you're compromising all these different areas of your body absolutely agree with you that's that's from calisthenics right yes yes it's ball that's the that ball right there is the um it's it's one of those I think he calls it the WOD supernova. Yeah, supernova. I got that one too. Fantastic. Fantastic.

And it seems like nothing, but when you roll around and you find the spot, you get really substantial on your fascia. Yeah. I put that on the ground and I do like bridges on it. I lie on my back on it and I put all my weight on that ball. For people just listening, it's a rubber ball that's like the size of a softball, and it's really hard, and it's got this textured outer surface, and Kelly developed this to help.

He also uses lacrosse balls. That's what he started out with, but I think that's a little bit better than a lacrosse ball. Yeah, absolutely. I take one of those everywhere with me on the road. Every time I go in a hotel room, that goes in my bag, period. Like there's no, because if I work out and I get stiff, if I got something locked up, I need that fucking thing.

That's what I have too in my bag because all the traveling flight, every time I get off on some flight, my infraspinatus, my neck, my lower back have the same problem. I find those things fantastic. Yeah, like you were saying, Joe, what were the things? Years ago, to take to a unit of my community, working with the army and stuff like that, they say, oh, we're going to do mobility.

They will look at you like, do we really need that? They're all tough guys. They need to be. They're all thinking about, ah, I need something to get myself stronger, faster. Yeah, but they don't get it. They don't get it if you don't allow yourself to regain the mobility that you're supposed to have.

At one point, you're going to be stuck. You're going to be reaching plateau. You're going to get injured, and you're going to lose those guys in the field. That was my point. Right. And I think the system that Scott created was smart enough to say, you know what? I'm going to introduce this slowly, underneath, because I give you

a small amount of mobility. Then what do you want? You want an high-intensity workout. Okay, so I give you the high-intensity workout. That's TuckFit, high-intensity. But I'm going to teach you how to recover for the performance faster. And then I introduce a little bit of yoga. So you're going to feel better,

loosen up when you're living. And day by day, those guys, they start to understand, and they start to tell me, you know what, we like the workout, but what we feel we need is to be able to move the shoulder again, to be able to come in back pack again. And now everybody wants to do mobility more than workout because you can kill yourself in a workout. You don't need me to kill you.

Just throw the days and decide. A little bit of barbell, a little bit of push-up, you don't need someone to drive you. People are understanding now that it's a huge deal. Yoga is huge for me. That's one of the reasons why I still

use that supernova ball. Man, yoga has had a tremendous effect on my back. It's had a tremendous effect on everything. it's had a tremendous effect on everything my overall flexibility is better than it's been in a long time since i was a kid and i just feel better just feels like everything moves better you know but you say yoga to people and they go ah you fucking pussy how come you know they're doing deadlifts you need to do fucking hill sprints you know everybody wants to do something that looks like tough guy stuff that looks awesome on your Instagram.

You know, everybody wants to do deadlifts with fucking 450. But the reality is, if your body has any weak links, yoga will find

those links. You're going to show it. Yeah, it'll show it right away. I was shocked. You know what the big one for me was? My feet.

And that was something that Nick Curzon said as well. Nick Curzon, who's a really well respected strength and conditioning coach uh speed of sport down in uh i think he's in huntington beach somewhere in orange county but he trains uh joe schilling um uh jafel dos anjos fabricio verdum big time mma fighters and uh and kickboxers and works with aaron pico's a

top level wrestler and just a long line of like real high level combat sports athletes. I asked him, I go, what do you think that the one thing that a lot of athletes have that is something they need to improve on? He said feet strength. Nobody says that. Nobody says that. Everybody's like

work on your cardio, work on your explosiveness you gotta be able to, you know, fucking throw more kettlebells around. He was like, your feet like cardio, work on your explosiveness. You got to be able to, you know, fucking throw more kettlebells around. He was like, your feet. Like, think about it, your motion. Like, if you can't move out of the way or towards your opponent, you're useless, right? If your foot's broken in a fight, you're severely limited. And one of the things that I found out almost instantly when I started doing yoga and when I started skiing,

my fucking feet would be killing me. In the beginning, skiing was because my boots were too small because I have really wide feet. And so my feet would be smashed in there and it sucked. And I was like, you know, well, fuck skiing. I can't do it. My feet are too wide. Then I got boots that are made for wider feet and they fit, but my feet would still hurt after a while. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with my goddamn feet? Maybe it's just because my feet are flat and I'm just going to have to deal with that. No. As soon as I started doing yoga.

Now I can ski all day. It doesn't bother me at all. As long as I'm doing yoga twice a week, all that foot problems are gone. They're out the window. Because of the balance. It's pretty funny because I was watching your flow video the other night. Right. Before I came on.

Because I didn't have, I wanted to be able to, you know, contribute in this conversation. You guys are two level geniuses for me. So if you watch his flow video, the first thing, he put on some shoes with toes in them, and you're talking about the feet. Before you do anything, he started stretching his feet, and I could see him playing with his toes, and I'm like, you know, I guess this is the...

I think it's what he was saying. I hate to keep saying this, but this has got to be right. Just pull it around. Pull it around to me. Right there. You'll be great. It's the real thing. Everybody don't think about it because we stand on our feet,

so we think we're connected to the earth. We are not. It's like I pose this one on the table, but it's not connected. It moves around, but it has no control. Right. Rebuilding the capability to grab in the ground, understanding the stability of the foot the mobility of the toes and the ankle

mobility is mandatory because I'm going to transfer power through my feet, engagement to the ground to my leg drive, to my hips and to my core so everything comes from the hurt These shoes make everybody look gay Yeah man, those shoes I love them

They're very functional but they're not sexy at all. I will never get married with those. Well, I always know the real weirdos when I catch them out at night and they're wearing them. You know, if you catch a guy at a bar and he's wearing those shoes, that's

a real weirdo. But there's people that do wear those. Is that your gym? What gym is that? That's my XXL gym. Yeah, it's the gym that I'm working with in Europe. That's my headquarter, let's say, in Europe. So it's my gym. So this is all what we're looking at here. What's the name of this video, Jamie?

Flow Fit. Flow Fit, yeah. Flow Fit, Tactic, Flow Fit, Alberto Galazzi, Vibram, Five Fingers. Exactly. So you're sponsored by Vibram? Yes. I'm an ambassador for them. And that's a very low-profile one.

It has a very small amount of tread at the bottom of it, right? It's very thin, the one that you've got on. Yeah, because they're different types. Yeah, some of them are for trail running. They're a little thicker. I try to work with them to realize something specifically for flow because sometimes when they have some rubber on the side, and for some specific flow, especially if you want to focus on your knee, understanding my knee and my hips work, they get too much friction. Why do you use that instead of barefoot?

I alternate it. You alternate it. Yeah, I alternate it. If I want to really go freestyle, move around, you know, I go barefoot. There's no traction. Yeah. But, you know, if I train like I do sometimes in the concrete, I need something to really protect my foot.

Right, yeah, and dirt and rocks and stuff like that. You know, years ago, you told me one of your biggest fears was getting old and feeling weak, you know, and then you and I traveled a lot together. A lot of places, we would go to jiu-jitsu places, and we'd see the jiu-jitsu guy, the main guy, and he'd be walking a little funny. Oh, yeah, they're all fucked up. And that always stuck out in my mind.

Like, why love something so much if in my 60s I'm going to be limping or walking different? And I think this is maybe, this will help that, you know, as you get older. It'll definitely help that. Really? Yeah, that's one of the reasons why Eddie's gotten so into yoga too. Eddie's doing yoga three times a week now. And he realizes it after he had back surgery.

You know, I mean, when people get older in particular, you start realizing the limitations of some of the things that you're doing. You're putting tremendous stress on your body in very specific areas, especially jujitsu. You're attacking the joints all the time. You're attacking the joints, you're attacking your neck, and almost everybody that I know either has a back problem or some sort of a knee problem or a neck problem. It's just a constant issue when it comes to jujitsu. And I feel like the only way to mitigate that is, first of all, roll with people that you know. Like people that you know. They're good people.

They're not going to try to hurt you. They're not crazy. You know, it's not even their fault. But young people in particular. Like you get some young 20-year-old kid who's all full of fucking just cum and just some little animal. They want to kill. They want to kill. Like a young guy, when they roll, they roll a fucking full clip.

And you could get a knee caught in a scramble and it gets ripped apart it's just super common so you got to be real careful the kind of people you work out with make sure that people aren't going to yank on an arm bar or knee bar you know a heel hook or something like that that's big but also i think that improving your mobility like there's so many times i would go to class and i would be stiff before i walked in the door like before i walked in the door. Before I walked in the door, my back would be fucked up. I'd get up in the morning, my back would be fucked up. I'd just be stiff.

And then I'd get in there and start warming up. But jiu-jitsu is so fun. As soon as you get in there, you just do a few movements. Cortisol coming in. It's an anti-inflammatory, so you're ready to go. Next thing you know, you're like, all right, you slap hands and you fucking go into war again and then you got a worse back and then you got a worse knee that's how i fucked up my back i didn't just fuck it up in one thing if i had that like one incident that it got injured in i could have eventually healed it what i did was i just kept doing it even when i was still hurt i would keep god god just go light

i never went light you still go back in there and go hard again and then fucks it up more. It's, I think that we have to be super aware that our body is a precious resource

and you got to treat it almost scientifically instead of looking at it like, you know, guys like to do curls and bench presses. I mean, how many times

have you seen that where you see a guy with a meatball upper body with a little toothpick at the bottom that's holding him up with his legs? Like, you see guys, there's certain guys you see at the gym, and you go, you poor bastard. Like, what are you doing to yourself? Like, you think everything looks good because you've got these big biceps and big chest, but your lower body is virtually useless, you know, because they don't lift.

They don't lift with their lower body. They don't do anything with it. You got to treat your body like it's a big old science project. You have to look at it scientifically. When people ask me, what do you think? What is the project? I don't know. I'm not going to train you.

I'm thinking always that everybody of us, we know what is our point B. So if I ask you when you come to the gym, what is your goal? Most of the, especially young people, they know I want to be, I know what is my point B. I want to become faster, stronger, leaner, whatever. You're saying point B? Point B, yeah. Point B, right.

Point A to point B. Yeah, we don't really know what is our point A. We think we know, but we don't know. We don't know what's going on inside. We don't know about our hormone track, about estrogen, testosterone, cortisol, whatever. We don't know exactly how the fascia is mixed up with us, or the joints.

If we don't think about that, we're never going to reach point B, or probably we're going to reach it, but going zigzag instead to go straight line, and we're going to face injury, plateau, go back to losing power, imbalances. That's why I think something like yoga is very important because it highlights those imbalances.

And it seems like this kind of particular motion, like your flow, like that up there, that would also highlight those particular motions. I see flow, like for me at the beginning of everything. Why? Because you go through a little bit of joint mobility and then you start to connect to exercise logically and connect it to what? Challenge your breathing. So also your breathing will tell you exactly,

when you're forcing your breathing through some of the movement, you should start to understand and investigate, why do I force through this range of motion? Probably something is stiff for me. It might be my joint, it might be my fascia, whatever. It doesn't allow me to flow through one movement to the other movement. Because I'm working six degrees. I don't just work in like in a yoga mat up and down left to right and just to roll jump squat whatever it is my body should supposed to be doing it and i look like like if

you know the magic ice picture for me the magic eye picture the one that you look and then you step back and magic eye pictures yeah yeah for me it it's the body. When I see you standing or do a couple of movements, I can interpret it yourself a little bit. But when you move freestyle, now I can understand exactly what's going on with you. Do you drop your knee when you're squatting? Do you know your feet is not connected? You cannot talk your knee when you,

you cannot even understand it. Loading one side, unilateral power, not to one leg to the other. So for me, it's all information that, for me as a coach. Okay. I start to plan out what should be doing what kind of exercise? What kind of strength training maybe is needed for you more stability or more? More yoga because until you are not ready I will know let you lift or load your body if your body is not even able to Holding your own weight

Well, that's the thing most people don't know what their body's capable of doing. And there's a lot of people that walk into any kind of a class and they start working out, and they might not even know what deficiencies they have because they've been overcompensating for that or compensating. You might have something wrong with your hip, and because of that it's putting extra pressures on your knee,

or one side might be overbalanced. That's one thing you see with a lot of people that have done very specific sports. They're very strong on one side and then the other side of their body is weak. And when you do that, you create these imbalances. You could get some serious injuries because of that. And we take it for granted. How many times you say,

okay, my shoulder is in pain, but when I train, no, when I train, I'm good. It's already a senior. You're training, what you're going to do? You're going to release the adrenaline and cortisol. And those are painkillers. They are supposed to make you stronger. Fight in the freeze or fight situation.

That's what the endocrine system is doing to you. But after you're training, you got even worse. So you need to understand that. As a coach, you should be saying, you know what? We need to fix that. Because it's not good that you start training and working into the pain. Because you're going to create more raw material that is not needed

into your body and for me it's like holding this bottle it doesn't weigh nothing today tomorrow but if I hold it for one hour it's becoming heavy

right so we adapt to this kind of they didn't change the level of the water in my bottle but day after day it's going to kill me

but people they don't understand because they say i'm used to i'm used to don't sleep the hour i'm used to don't eat enough i'm used to to to walk in this pain that's not gonna happen now what do you think is like the biggest injury that you deal with when you have clients or people that you're working out with what's the most common is it shoulders shoulder and knee Shoulders more common those days, especially because we all grew up in an era that we all want to pack and shoulder and press. Bench presses.

And I believe our shoulder is a complex joint, but it's not strong at all because we are vertical animal. We are not like sympasians. It's loading, and if you see the structure, it's holding back. The horse can hold a lot of power in the shoulder. The human being is just dropping on the rib cage it's so weak and then the simple question is how many of us can even stand just stand and standing on the wall with the feet on the wall some people that can not even hold their weight you mean you're saying to do a handstand

yeah just on the wall yeah just even simple like that and how many people even with the feet on the wall can do a handstand press yeah not that many not that many and that. And how many people even with the feet on the wall can do an instant press? Yeah, not that many. Not that many. And if you ask how many of you, 10 out of 10, got shoulder injury, probably in an eye they say, yeah, I got an issue if I've been involved in this sport. So it's so weak. It's very complex. A lot of tendon, ligaments, multiple joints.

Do you incorporate a lot of hanging? I think hanging is something that people have been really concentrating on over the last few years for shoulder mobility and alleviating impingements absolutely and people are listening to this if you have anything going on with your shoulders i'm telling you grab a chin-up bar and hang from that thing and just let let your show it relaxes your shoulder it stretches out your joints and there's several doctors that stop doing shoulder surgeries to alleviate pain. They've started doing

hanging exercises and prescribing hanging exercises. It's amazing. Just grab a chin-up bar, start hanging from that sucker. The class starts at 12, but I go at 11. It's not like a formulated class. I go back to the jump rope just to get oxygen power so I don't pass out.

But Alberto will come back at like 11, 15 and give me homework assignments. And they're always different, Joe. Like some days it's a steel club. Some days I just work on my hands and knees and we incorporate our hips. But some days he puts me on rings. The other day he goes, you got rings at your house? Rings, like gymnastics rings? Yeah.

I go, what wall is going to hold me? I mean, he's got the whole thing. And he just taught me one thing, because my biggest weakness is my breathing. From the sleep apnea, like I even got hypnotized. I mean, I got to go tomorrow again. You got hypnotized? I've been going to get hypnotized.

What's going on? What are they doing? Because from the sleep apnea. You ever wake up with your pants down? No, no, no. It got so severe. Mine was such a bad case. When my machine broke a couple weeks ago, my wife had to go pick up the machine for me up in Canoga.

And the guy was saying, how's Joey doing? And he goes, you know, until this day, Joey came in here as one of the worst cases ever. Like, Joey was in bad shape. You remember what I was going through? Yeah. Falling asleep on your steering wheel. And that sleep apnea, like, whenever my heart gets going in jiu-jitsu, like, no other place does my heart get going like that when I'm on the bottom.

And so, at first, when I joined jiu-jitsu, I overcame the panic attacks. So I had to just go, stand on the bottom. Like I'd force myself to get on the bottom. I'd get like a whatever you call it, a bridge or whatever they call it, a frame. And I'd breathe and I overcame my fear. But the other fear I had was when I get too wound up, I can't control my breathing. It's when I would get up from the sleep apnea. it's when I would get up from the sleep apnea.

So I just kept thinking about something you said about a couple of podcasts ago about sports psychiatry or something. Sports psychologist. Some people have it. And I did some reading, and I said, let me just go alleviate this last fear. I mean, how many fears? You know, I got the needle fear.

But last week, I still get that thing in my ear. She stuck a needle in my ear, that acupuncture, to take the fluid out. Because my ear's not letting my right, my left ear, the fluid out. So they got to put a little thing there. What kind of fluids in there? Just from taking showers. You know me. I'm obsessed with showers.

And I got to put earplugs in my ears when I go in the shower. And I go in there for an hour. When California had the drought, I go to Vegas. I got one of those king-size pin showers. I smoke a joint and go in there for an hour and a half. I write jokes. Oh, yeah. I love taking long showers.

In the shower, an hour and a half? That's my best material. Really? Yeah. Best material ever. You can even practice it in there. That's hilarious. No, but I get fluid stuck in my ear.

Last week, I went to acupuncture, and she stuck a needle in there. And when she took it out, it relieved the pressure. Joe, I could feel the blood dripping down my face, and I could hear it hitting the pillow, and I didn't pass out. Oh, okay. So because I want to get these fears out of the way. Back to tactical fitness, the rings has rings and he alberto taught me emotion that it's all about my breathing right i don't leave my ass on the floor so i

basically pick up my hips as a hip escape and in the same then i hold that breath but i pull myself up i stay there and then i as i alleviate my hips back is when I accept exhale right and then my arms go down on that one so it's a two-point breathing thing dog I do three sets of ten of those I'm on fire after that yeah I'm a big believer in that fire breathing is gigantic it's another thing that seems so simple right it's another thing you tell people oh you got to do some breathing exercises people I'm not doing that shit I'm doing benching bro you're gonna build up my pecs, bro. Right?

That's what people do. They don't think that breathing is difficult. But breathing exercises. This is what I tell people. Breathe in for one minute and breathe out for one minute. Tell me that's not hard. Just take a one minute breath in. Look at a clock and say, ready, go.

And then breathe in for one solid minute. Nice and slow. And then breathe out for one solid minute nice and slow and then breathe out for one minute nice and slow you'll be fucking dead you're not going to be able to do it most people can hold their breath for a minute but if you tell them to breathe in for one solid minute it's really hard to do and then you go to like a yoga class and you take you know yoga deep breathing like pranayama exercises they're very difficult and one of the things that i when i first started doing yoga like about two years ago i really started getting into it again the the yo the breathing exercises after class when you're like

when you're doing those breathing exercises it was like my stomach felt soft it felt like it was kind of weak like you would get tired doing those like why is my stomach i was like i'm just tired from yoga like why is my stomach getting tired from breathing out like pushing air out it's so simple like i do you know sit-ups and leg lifts and all this different stuff like why is that difficult because it's a different kind of thing and you're breathing you're pushing air out with your diaphragm and your abdominal muscles but now i can do it pretty good and but you get to like that hicks and Gracie point. I'm sure you've seen that.

Yeah, absolutely. Hicks and Gracie starts pulling the muscles up in these weird ways and makes them dance. And it's so connected. You know, brain is connected to your breathing. The heart rate is connected to your breathing. And people don't understand how it's important, you know, to regain access to a proper breathing. Yeah. People, they always think, okay, breathing for meditation.

I'm not into the holistic style. No, breathing is even for people they also think okay breathing for meditation i'm not into the holistic style no breathing is good for everything it's helping to visualize what you need to do it you know reset your own you can switch from your person but it to your the sympathetic yeah what do you say the what parasympathetic yeah in every system you know it's like you if you breathe correctly especially under stress and you need to regain access to your cognitive presence especially if you need to do something that under stress, and you need to regain access to your cognitive presence, especially if you need to do something that is more complex, and you think about it.

Some people, they're just thinking, okay, under the gas response, you know, when my fight or freeze situation arises, and the situation is on, I probably go to my gross motor skills. Yeah, but some people, like an advanced fighter, an operator, they need to go to access to gross motor skills and fine motor skills. Think about it.

I'm going to run across this room, and I need to use my gross motor skills to run faster, but I need to understand where am I going to find cover and maybe shoot him back to a target. So now you have fine motor skills on and gross motor skills. I need to be able to get my vertical view on because I can't stay in my tune. So wait, hold on, let's look, because your English is tripping on me. Sorry. It's okay. So what you're talking about is big motor skills like running and sprinting and then

being able to shoot like a gun. Absolutely. And being able to be very precise and very accurate. Yeah. And understanding, also interpreting where is the people is shooting at me from. So that's a complex, right? That's very complex.

So do you have guys do that? Do you have guys like lift weights and then go or do like strenuous physical exercises then go immediately to a range or on a range? We do that. But also, you know,

when we start to, what is the importance of learning how to recover fast to using the breathing, recovery of learning how to recover fast, to using the breathing, recovery breathing, like the tactical breathing, something like you were talking about. The nevacy, they used to do a lot,

four seconds in, holding for four seconds, releasing for four seconds, holding for four seconds. Very basic way to learn how to get back from the high intensity to above your RA max to, let's say, 85%, something that you can bring you back to a cognitive presence so you can make the right decision. So that's what you tell people to do, take a four-second in and four-second out

so you're like slow controlling of the breathing? That's the beginning of understanding, you know, because when I'll be going, I need to start going into my nose and maybe taking a pause, go out through my mind so that my heart rate would be In through the nose, out through the mouth. Yeah, that does seem to somehow

or another slow down your heart rate for some reason. Right, exactly. And that's when your heart rate slows down, it's going to give you a signal back to your brain. Okay, now we switch. Now everything is under control

so you can make the right decision and you can get back to the right fine motor the skills if it's needed right and that obviously with when you're training soldiers it's got to be one of the most important things to do to be able to operate under pressure and under like physical pressure and make the right choice yes yes because that's different you know the not the not panicking thing right the survival response will tell you do the the things that maybe it's more logical to save your life. But sometimes, like I always use this example. We're going to cross the street right now.

You're going to cross. You see the car. You're going to freeze. And then you decide to jump back or jump forward, whatever is the response to see, to don't get hit by the car. Right. But maybe that takes like 12 milliseconds. take like 12 milliseconds and if you've been training more to that kind of lots of alarm you're going to see the car and you want to do before you jump in and out you're going to look and see on the other side because maybe you see the car you jump back you didn't see the car coming

from the other part and you got killed for the other car that take a response of 300 milliseconds so it's the amygdala will tell you to do whatever is needed to get out from the for the problem faster but the the long way of your brain response if you've been training you becoming resilient to the kind of alarm and shock situation you're gonna make the right choice and for an operator for a fighter whatever it's logical think about-jitsu or chess game. Chess game. Even those guys, they play chess. They're so under stress hour, the brain is cooking and the guys make a move and maybe me, but I'm not playing and just, you know,

I see the move, I say, I gotta move this way. The other guy is planning, taking more time to plan whatever is going on because he start to understand why you did that move. So it's not logical for me, I should be going that way. And in training, regaining access to your breathing, to your heart rate, to your brain control is fundamental. That's why I believe we need to be careful and understand fitness is so important. We can do a lot of things.

It's not just changing the way they look. We can help different people in different things. And for some people, it's life-changing. Yeah, the ability to be calm under pressure is something that very few people have. And they just don't. It's not something that they exercise. They don't get to do it on a regular basis. They don't get severely stressed.

So that when they are in a severe stress situation and they have to make a critical decision or they have to use fine motor skills in a critical situation, most people are just completely incapable of handing that that emotional and physiological load what is it about there's something interesting about breathing in through your mouth that creates like a panic feeling like when guys are tired yeah like what is i don't understand like it's a shallow breathing thing that happens yeah they try to take too much air in, I believe. That's what it is? And they brace. They brace. So they clamp up. Yeah, we call it

like a forced breathing. It leads you into a fear reaction. And so for your brain, it's that, why are you bracing? You're bracing when you don't know something. You're facing something you're never expecting. So for my brain, my database is saying, it's been there before. In your life, you'll be freezing for something,

and they will bring you back, okay, this is a fierce situation, so your sympathetic system is on, and you start to lose control. Hit that panic mode. I think it's so simple. How many times you tighten your lace shoes? Sometimes when you're under stress,

when you're a little bit losing control, maybe we fight, we have a discussion, a very intense discussion, you can touch your lace. Right, you can't touch your shoelace because you're all out of whack. Yeah. Breathing in, one of the things that you really learn that during yoga class, in particularly stressful situations, it's so hard to breathe smooth. One of the things that I've learned how to do is to try to concentrate only on my breath and it actually makes the exercise easier, which doesn't seem to make any sense because before I'd just be concentrating on the exercise. And what I realized somewhere along the line is my breath is not very smooth

and I'm not doing a good job of controlling myself. So now when I'm in a situation like a really difficult, like standing bow pose or something like that, what I concentrate on more than anything, more even than the posture is just my breathing. Concentrate on big, slow, deep breaths. And I swear it makes it like 10% easier. Just concentrating on the breathing makes everything easier. And Chrome Gracie said that too, when he was in here, we were talking about jujitsu and

he's like, it's breath, man. Breath is everything. And once you can control your breath, once you understand how to control your breath, it makes those positions better. It makes jiu-jitsu easier. It makes everything better. It's true. Your breath control.

Your breath, Joey. And you say the right things. You know what? A lot, all of us, we know how to brace, how to inhale. We're talking for half an hour know how to brace how to inhale we're talking for half an hour we never stop and do right while we're talking but we're not under stress right we understand when people understand the problem is when people they don't know how to exhale if you're taking a man and put it under the water with the head right what is the last thing he's gonna do before he die right catch the breathing so the body exactly knows when it's time to inhale.

Yes. But it doesn't know when it's time to exhale. That's fascinating. And the fear, we tend to force the breathing. We see people hyperventilate. Like, my six-year-old gets upset about things. Sometimes she hyperventilates. Like, she just can't get it out.

Like, she's upset. Like, someone did this to me. I'm so upset. You know, and you've got to go, okay, you got to calm down. I want you to take some big, deep breaths. But it's hard to teach a six-year-old that. Now, what the fuck do we do on stage for breathing? Just talk.

I've never, you know. Never thought about it? Like, I started getting anxiety at the store. So now when I walk up to the original room, like on Tuesdays, or when I did the Wiltern, I forced myself to breathe in and out of my nose. But for years. You got anxiety at the store? Yeah, in the original room.

Why? Since I've been back. I don't know. It all started when I had to follow Morgan Murphy. What? I don't know. I went up there and she was on stage and I don't know what it is. I just get anxiety in the original room.

Just a little bit. Just a little bit just a little bit and let the Wulchan theater I walked out and I looked that way and then I looked at the audience and it was like woo And I had to breathe a little through my nose, but what do we do on stage? Are we breathing through our nose or are we breathing? through our mouths We fucking talk shit for 45 to an hour. I looked at the special that I shot, and I'm like, where am I breathing?

Yeah. How interesting. We got to watch that next time. What the fuck are we doing up there? Yeah, you're not thinking. You're just breathing. Yeah, well, you just concentrated so much on what you're trying to say

that it all just comes natural, just like right now. Like, while I'm talking to you right now, I took a little breath right there, but I wasn't thinking about it. I just only need a little bit of air. Right, right, right. You know? Because it's so natural for you. Maybe take me in a conference the first time, and I'm going to be shaking and go running to my wall and then taking a breath.

You see that from people that are giving speeches. You do see that when if they've not become comfortable with public speaking public speaking is one of the most stressful things for people for some people like number two or number one in some people's world like it's really bad yeah i had one one time a judge asked me he was about to sentence me and he goes do you have anything to say to this for yourself and i had it written down i had everything joe rogan i started squeaking he's like don't worry about it i couldn't talk i went right into a panic when this little man looked at me boy people get nervous you know and when get nervous, your adrenaline kicks in. And when your adrenaline kicks in, everything tightens up.

You know, it's just. You know, and physiological stress, like yoga positions, can kind of mimic that. You know, like when you're in a position, like when you've got your hands over your head and you're leaning your whole body to the side, it's very hard to stay smooth with your breathing when you're in those spots. Like that's the number one thing that I concentrate on. Holding my body in that position is not nearly as hard as holding my body

and breathing smoothly. Breathing smoothly is the most difficult part of that posture, like a lot of postures. And as soon as you change your breathing, you start to change inside and you change outside. I see this happening a lot. What is the first reaction

when you're under stress? Tension. Tension. But if you look back at what happened when you were in the, how do you say, prehistory? Prehistory? Prehistory. Prehistory, think about it.

You were a prey. What you're doing, like any animal, like a cat in the road, they start to pump his hair up to become bigger, right? So that's what we're doing. We're growing our shape. in the road, they start to pump his hair up so it becomes bigger, right? Right. So that's what we're doing. We're growing our shape so the predator might look at us like, oh, we're too big. I'm going to attack a simple predator.

We try to, you know, our skin starts to twiggle in, something like we don't have hair, but we try to do the same thing. Is that what goosebumps are? It's like your hair is puffing up to make you look bigger? Under fear. Wow.

Under fear? That's interesting. And if I look in, you know... How come it's like that when you hear a good song? That's a different feeling. You got a goose bump? It's like a lot of people,

they misinterpret it or they all think, okay, we go tactical training, we do this, and we can control fear, reaction no that's two different things you can control

when you are really under stress for that kind of situation so heart rate fears and other things matter of fact under high

intensity workout you become red under fear you become poor so it's different physiological things going into your body

so the only thing is that people do not misunderstand that doing some kind of under high intensity workout we can control also the fear real fear because real fears and other things you know well one of the things you see with fighters is they perform better when they're more active when they fight more often so if the fighter fights like three times a year they're used to fighting every few months and they get that that feeling of competition becomes a normal natural thing for them when they fight more often. So if the fighter fights like three times a year, they're used to fighting every few months, and they get that feeling of competition becomes a normal, natural thing for them. And it's also something that happens when you see a fighter lose.

When you see a fighter lose and they come back, they're very tense, and they fight a lot of times, they fight different, because they're now worried and concerned about the consequences of failure. And you see that fear, that tension. It's in their system. And then their whole mode of operating as an athlete changes because of that tension. Because they didn't recover from the shock, from the situation they've been through. Sure.

And that's also one of the biggest factors when you talk about the difference between the way someone performs in the gym versus the way someone performs in competition. We've all known these guys that were phenomenal in the gym, but for whatever reason, they weren't able to win in competition. It's so common. With some guys, it's almost like it's crazy. It's almost like there's a spell on them or something. You'll see them in the gym and you're like, this guy's a world beater, but they can't beat anybody in a competition. Why is that? Psychological. It's all

psychological. They are imprisoned by their own fears and doubts. They don't have the confidence to rise to the occasion. They don't have the confidence to perform under pressure. They can't just accept the potential failure. They can't. They're so overwhelmed and imprisoned by accept the potential failure.

They're so overwhelmed and imprisoned by their fear of failure that when they get out there, they can't perform at their best. It's crazy because it forces failure. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy because they can't perform like they do in the gym. They can't just react. They can't flow. When you are fighting, when you're at your best, you're sort of just in this empty space like you're not you're not thinking about the moves as much as they're just happening and you're just relying on your training and you're almost

The best thing you do is stay calm because as soon as you get emotional as soon as you get aggressive You might win being emotional aggressive. You could catch someone and knock them out, but you also might get knocked out yourself You might do something that's not smart like when you're talking earlier about playing chess martial arts is a lot of ways like very much like chess but way more complicated because your physical consequences are so severe so there's all this fear it's not just about losing it's about getting hit and that punishment of physical consequences is just so significant. It's so much different even than in jiu-jitsu. Like jiu-jitsu, the physical consequences are tapping and losing, and those are terrible. But it's nothing like getting kicked in the face or getting one of those Yoel Romero flying knees to your head.

You know, that kind of fear, that's an overwhelming fear. And for some people, they throw up when they're in the locker room and they panic. They get so scared. They just can't perform under pressure. You know, if you transfer this

also to some of the operators, you know, some of the operators they literally dump. When you say an operator, you're talking about soldiers,

special ops guys. They're tough. They are super guys. Right. I'm amazed by those guys. They're just chapeau. But it's natural. They say, enduring the task, I might be shitting in my pants.

But it's physiological. It's physiological. And then you keep going. Then you keep going. They just keep going with shitting their pants. Because that's a physiological reaction to the kind of stress factor. Oh, yeah. Your body wants to get lighter to fight back faster or run away or whatever.

So it can't control it. There's nothing to be ashamed about it. You see it with animals as well. I mean, there's a famous video of these two bears fighting. And as the bears are fighting, they're shitting all over the place. As they're fighting, they're shitting. I love watching movies like Collateral or something when people go into some place and they shoot a place up

and people's reaction, how they run. That's not usually the case, bro. I've seen it. People drop to the fucking floor. People drop without even getting shot. They don't know what. You just freeze. Yeah.

The sound of you being somewhere and being transferred to the sound of gunfire is fucking overwhelming. And some people get it and react to it, and some people just think it's the Fourth of July. Yeah. You know, it's really weird, but I've seen people fucking drop from fear. Drop from fear. Something that I was as a child, and I was two blocks away from, just people dropping from fear. You know, it's so, like I remember

when I lived in Aspen, they have the ESI Bodyguard Academy in Aspen. Yeah, what is that? I know that. What does ESI stand for? I don't know, but the guy supposedly was in a room, 6x12 room, and he killed 12 Mexicans at night point with his bare hands.

So he opens up this ESI thing. And it's 20 G's. It's a summer long program and you learn how to adjust up at the high altitude and drive and evasive driving and shooting. Then they have a course on maritime,

how to defend people out on the ocean and all that stuff. See, Aspen and all those places, like Woody Creek where you went, is home to the baddest retired soldiers in the world. And you don't know who they are. You just think that dude over there with the American flag is mowing the lawn. That guy killed 80 people with one hand in Vietnam. There's a guy in Denver that I know is amazing.

I'm telling you, Colorado is where they put them. Why? Why do they put them in Colorado? Because the mountains to keep them away from civilization for these people. Just in case they hear Chinese music somewhere on the street. They don't ever want that to happen. Great glass in case of war. And there was a guy that came in that was a Marine that, bro, Joe, you know, anybody comes in with stories.

I know one thing. When I see it, I believe it. The motherfucker used to get picked up at Aspen Airport in a helicopter. Yeah. Like, they sent, like, a helicopter with two guys jumping out, four guys around them, and he would just wave at Uncle Joey. I was 19. Wow.

And he would tell me stories about, you know, the Green Berets and all these guys were sitting around a thing cooking chili. And they were all telling how many people they killed. I killed 18. I killed 22. Meanwhile, he was staring the soup with his dick over the fire. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the type of stories this guy would tell me.

He had me all fucked up in the head. And I asked him once, I go, should I go to that ESI? And he goes, listen, I'll go in there and smack them all with my left hand. He goes, first of all, you can't teach what you need to learn over there. Because four years of Charlie in the bush is a lot better than 12 weeks of you hanging out with some white dude with suits shooting people, targets in the mountains. Yeah, it's not real. It's not. Until there's real consequences.

So that's why he said it just wasn't. Don't you think, though, it's better than nothing? I would think that it's better than nothing. I would think that the best thing would be actually being in boot camp, actually going to Bud's, actually being in some sort of a situation where you realize this is life. This is real. Whereas if you're preparing up in Colorado and you're just going through that course, right? No, you might have some things in your mind

but that's one of the things like people say to me like Like should I take a self-defense class like will they show you how to kick somebody in the knee? I go listen to me That shit is not gonna like there was there was just a guy on the fucking radio That was he was this guy on the fucking radio that was uh he was always talking about uh um it was on opie and anthony show back in the day and he was always talking about this difference between the street and uh martial arts is uh martial arts and tournaments there's no there's rules in the street there's no rules and i'm like i fucking hate when people

say that kind of shit because listen to me the stuff that works on trained killers is the real shit and if you think that you're going to come in and you're going to throw some fucking karate chop at someone's balls, and you're going to somehow or another be able to stop Anderson Silva from kicking you across the room, you're out of your fucking mind. You're out of your mind. First of all, you're not going to karate chop his

balls. He's not going to let you get close enough to him. And if he does let you get close enough to him, he's going to strangle you. And you're not going to be able to do a goddamn thing about it. You're going to be 100% helpless. So these ideas, there's this shortcut. And the shortcut is like street defense. There's certain pressure points around your neck. I can attack that and you will be helpless.

No, no, no. You're not going to get my neck, you fuck. Let me grab your finger. Oh, yeah. Oh, that guy's in the fucking store. There was a guy at the store who used to pinch down on literally the biggest phony I've ever met in all my years of meeting phony martial arts guys. He used to pinch down on your thumbnail. He was like, there's a pressure point on your thumb.

Like, motherfucker, dudes lie on me with their knee on my neck. Like, they'll put all their weight on your neck to try to get you to give up the arm bar like if you're in a situation where you're defending it's an r bar and the guy's on top you guys will put their knee a 230 pound man will put his knee on your neck while he's trying to and he'll put all his weight on it and you're not you're not tapping from that you think i'm gonna tap from a thumbnail if it's funny i i saw people try to get into the special forces community. I tried to teach them. Pressure point shit? Pressure point. I said, do you realize this guy's wearing bulletproof jacket?

Yeah. And, you know, vest and plaits and all the material. You're not going to have access to the body. Yeah. It's so crazy. It's crazy, man. There's so many stupid martial arts courses. I mean, it's so fucking dumb.

It's so dumb. There's so many of these ridiculous ideas that you're going to be able to defend yourself with some tricks. But you were saying on the car, people love these things. They like bullshit. You're going to have six packs, 10 minutes training a day in six weeks or whatever. Late night infomercials. Yeah. People love that.

You only have 15 minutes, but 15 minutes is two minutes too much. 13 minutes is all you need. 13 minutes. All you need is 13 minutes. You're like, wow, that's what I've been waiting for. I'm going to be shredded. I'm going to go great in the beach. 13 minutes.

Fuck the fuck out of here. We've had a civilization of just these things, you know, big dick pills. Yeah. Just things that. Yeah, quick fixes. You know, if you stay up past one, it's all attacking men's testosterone level. I don't know what it is about people after one. I'm fucking tired all the time. So we're all tired. Yeah, so we're sleeping.

Yeah, but those guys that are up late at night, they're just like half out of it. That's all they're... Resistance is down. Do you have more sex drive? I mean, they just sell you some fucking bill of lading, whether it's the big dick pills or the six-minute workout. And then they keep beating each other. Like, by one minute, we have the six.

Well, we have the five-minute workout. And you know what, man? Half of America buys into that. A lot of America buys into those fat pills. That's a sad thing. And once again, if you want to go back to what we discussed before, it's all about also, you know, your breathing. I mean, how comfortable you are in the situation.

And I always give this example. I believe, I've been there. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes you desire to date someone so badly and you get so excited when you get it. And the first day that you go, you feel like you cannot even move, you know. Panic. Panic. And if you get to have sex that day, it doesn't work the way that you want. You pray that it's going to work.

But after you pass the first shot, the second, the third, it's become better. It's exercising and breathing control is all the same, you know. Once you get used to it, everything comes. It's so comfortable. It's a big thing with, again, what we were talking about with fighting. When I, I had one time where I tore a muscle and i didn't compete for like six months it was like the longest time i'd ever gone without competing because i tore the muscle that connects the groin to like um i think it's called the sartorius muscle it's like at the top of the leg it was real bad i couldn't throw

any kicks at all i could only do my workouts in the pool it was pretty bad and so when i was recovering from that when i got back in the like my first fight back i was like wow it just feels so off my timing feels off everything feels weird but then i fought again uh less than a month later and i felt great like less than a month later everything was like all right i know this again this is this is my thing i've been here before and then i felt normal again it's like when you when you have a girlfriend if you have a girlfriend for a long time you don't get nervous about whether or not you're gonna get it up you don't panic like i hope she likes me she fucking

likes you she's naked she's right there she's been with you forever you know she likes you so it's not it's not an issue but if you know if it is like you said a girl that you've been thinking about for the longest time and you're all gonna oh, I'm going to ask her out. Hope this goes well. And then you finally get where they're like, yikes. It's like there's so much panic. The human penis is such a fucking odd thing in that regard. What a bizarre thing. It's designed to make sure, like, look, dude, if you ain't calm, you're not going to fuck.

Because we don't want any weak ass nervous bitches out there Make it babies so the system is built to make sure that your dick does not get hard if you fucking panicking It's not like it's not like a rhino horn where it's armed and ready at all times. No, it's like a very specific Physiological process has to be in place with the softest part of your body physiological process has to be in place where the softest part of your body becomes hard like a fucking rock like that the Process itself is crazy When you look at your dick when you're going to pee and it's a soft little Spongy thing and then you grab your dick when it's that full mast and it's like how is that the same thing? Because it's this crazy

Physiological process that only works if you're ready to rock you you can't be faking it like you your body knows if you're panicking right you could there's a book there's a book I don't know you translated in English but there's a book this plane so well so simple about those reaction of the body under stress and you say think about the the zebra on the savannah you know that's that's exactly, you know, when someone is chasing you to hit you and when you are under stress, high stress, your body starts producing hormones like testosterone.

Why? You know, the last thing you want to have is sex when some lion is behind you. So that's exactly what he's doing. He's shutting down whatever is needed. Shutting down everything. So it's under stress, you know, when you are freaking out. You can't perform.

You can't perform. You're not relaxed. You're not confident. You know, it's not... Zebras are so bizarre because you see the way their body looks. Like, they're not camouflaged at all. Like, they have white with black stripes on. Yeah. And for the longest time, they thought

that the white with black stripes on would confuse for the longest time they thought that the white with black stripes on would confuse an animal's mind like there's a type of camo have you ever heard of asat camo as a type of camouflage it doesn't look like trees or anything it's just a bunch of black and brown lines and those lines for animals because animals their mind their eyes operate on edge detection they operate on a lot of them especially prey animals like deer and things along those lines. They see movement. They don't necessarily see things the way you see things. They mostly just see movement.

And so for the longest time, they thought, well, maybe when you're looking like a lion is looking at a zebra, the lion is seeing this zebra's body and there's all the lines confused so he can't see it then they realized no No, no what it actually is is you can't pick out? individual zebras So like if an individual zebra like it looks different from the other zebras That's the one they get after like if one zebra is bleeding and has blood on its body And it looks different from all those other white and black lines That's the one they target which is kind of fucked and one of the ways they found out this they tagged a zebra

they put like an ear tag on a zebra and they sent Jordan Peterson was talking about this recently in this video and They put it back into the herd and the Lions immediately killed that zebra That's the one they went right to because it had something different. You see all these white and black lines, and then, oh, this motherfucker's got an ear tag. Get him! And they just went right after that. So it's really designed like, look, we know we're fucked.

We're born fucked. But if we stay together, maybe, like, look, when you see that. So when you see all those zebras together, it's super confusing Well, we will have this fucking TV fix soon as where This this this TV cuts in and out that one that will see it back So when you see these zebras and we see these lines What it's designed to do is confuse the Lions so that they don't know which one to target which is crazy But if one of those motherfuckers had an ear tag, a big old yellow tag hanging off their ear, the lions would be like, there you are, bitch.

I see you. That's kind of cool. It's fucked, though. I mean, what a terrible situation nature has given these poor things. The lions are camouflaged. The lions look like the brown grasses, you know. And leopard, or excuse me, tigers, apparently, that whole stripe thing with them is also to make them blend in

with all their surroundings, all the trees and the sticks. You know, they live mostly in the jungle. So you were asking me before this about the fights. Yeah, yeah. What do you think? Because when they were counter-starker, that's why they keep the distance. And they know exactly that. This is what I think.

A lot of people were pissed off. It was boring. But I think that's because they just want to see people beat the fuck out of each other, which I understand. That's why you tune into cage fighting. But to me, the way I always describe martial arts is it's high level problem solving with dire physical consequences and if you run in on tyron woodley you got some dire physical consequences he's a fucking powerhouse and if woodley charges at thompson

there's dire physical consequences because he was getting tagged when he would he said it to me after the fight he's like he caught me a few times as i was charging towards him so woodley has a different style than thompson thompson has that wide stance that karate style and he's excellent at moving in and moving out and almost like point fighting you he's just jabbing you hitting you with these uh clean left hands sliding out of the way, occasionally throwing kicks. But mostly what he's doing is making you wonder what he's going to do and when he's coming at you. And Woodley had to pick his battles and figure out when he could launch himself at him. So at any moment, something could have happened.

But a lot of shit didn't happen. So the people watching at home are like, that was the most boring fight ever. It's because those moments are so critical those moments are so dangerous you can't just they would like it to be like frankie edgar gray mainer just fucking chaos punches throwing wild it's not gonna happen like that you can't do that with wonder boy you can't charge at him like that he will fucking counter you and you look you will be one of those people on his highlight reel. So Tyron Woodley was very smart in that he knew that he couldn't charge at him. And Wonderboy, he's not going to charge at Woodley either. I mean, he got almost knocked the fuck out in the first fight. He almost got knocked the fuck out in the fifth round of the second fight, too.

Woodley's a powerhouse, man. He hits so goddamn hard. So everybody had to be on their toes. They both had to be minding their P's and Q's. And that translated for a boring fight to a lot of people. But not to me. To me, I was like, anything can happen at any moment. In the fifth round, it almost did.

Almost did. When Woodley connected and Thompson's knees went out, I mean, he slumped. He was out, man. He was out for at least a half a second or a moment. There was a moment where his legs gave out his body went limp and they could have stopped the fight right there i'm glad they didn't i'm glad they kept going i talked to uh big john mccarthy in the cage after the fight i go how close were you to stopping that fight he goes it goes i wasn't close to stopping that fight i go but

you were looking right he goes i was looking i go you were looking close he goes i'll never admit it i goes but it was i mean he was almost out right he goes I'll never admit it I go but it was I mean he was almost out right he goes he was almost out he might have been out for a half a second but I gave him a chance

I go he did a great job he did an amazing job I mean that's why big John McCarthy is so important a guy with that kind of experience and if he fucked that up

everybody would be so mad at him but he did it perfect it was perfect he has the most difficult job in the sport other than the fighters fighters have the most difficult job the most difficult job in the sport other than the fighters fighters

have the most difficult job second most difficult job is the referee third most difficult job is the judges yeah i really so i think so yeah i believe it's he's going to interpret it trauma yeah for the other people well he has to be he has to look he has to be at the right angle like they're moving around and they're fast and they could go to his left, and he could be over here, but something could be happening on their right, and he doesn't even see it. You don't know. Sometimes guys don't see taps. Sometimes guys don't see certain eye pokes or groin shots.

There's a lot of things that can happen. A referee's job is insanely difficult, and they only get praise when they fuck up, or they only rather get attention when they fuck up they don't get any praise when they do a great job and Just just they need more. You know they need more more people need to understand like how difficult that is So that moment where Tyron finally did connect on Wonderboy and everybody's like what didn't you do that earlier? Because he could have got knocked the fuck out like that was where the opening was Woodley was so aggressive because he was down on the scorecards at least in his corners eyes and in my eyes

He was as well and he had a charge forward and he had to connect and he did But to make that happen a lot of things have to be in place you have to understand Wonder Boy's timing He had been fighting him for four rounds already. He was getting a sense of what Wonderboy could and couldn't do he also knew the consequences He'd been tagged a couple of times so he knew like I can't just rush at him because Wonderboy was trying to time him with That right hook he was standing in the southpaw position with his right leg forward He throws that front leg side kick to the body He throws it really well because he he picks it up from the ground low and it sort of scoops up.

So you don't see it coming until it's too late. It might not be the most powerful application of the front leg sidekick, but it's very sneaky because he slides in with that foot low and then it comes up and stabs you. And you don't know if it's going to come up as a sidekick or if it's going to go up and over your shoulder as a round kick. You don't know what he's doing. He's sneaky so tyrant had to be very cautious and for a lot of people it was very boring because of that but i didn't think it was boring while it's happening i was on the edge of my seat i was i was like there are moments there's going to be

moments when the shit starts flying and in those moments that's where the fight becomes amazing but those guys are smart and And they're not dumb. And the belt is so goddamn important. When you have the belt, you get to decide. You fight all the best fighters. You make the money. You know, you get the opportunities for the big money fights, like the Conor McGregor type fights. Those only happen if you have the belt.

If you don't have the belt, nobody gives a fuck about you. So for a guy like Tyron, man, that belt is everything. For a guy like Woodley, or a guy like guy like Tyron man that belt is everything for a guy like Woodley or a guy like a Wonderboy rather that belt is everything you don't have That belt you make a fraction of what you make like think about that fight that fights insanely close It was so close Dominic Cruz afterwards said that's basically the same fight as the first fight, right? It's like you could call if you've called the first fight a draw, you could easily call this fight a draw. And I agree with him. So that means that Wonderboy and Woodley are essentially so closely matched stylistically that it's a wash. But meanwhile, Woodley's the one who's the champion. Woodley's the one who has the potential to fight Conor McGregor.

Woodley is the one who has the potential to fight Michael Bisping or who else he fights at whatever weight he fights at. And that is where the money is. So he's the guy who's going to get the money. Whereas Wonderboy, who essentially had a draw with him, proved that he was at least close enough on one fight and just a hair under on the second fight, he's going to make a fraction of what Woodley makes, likely. So those consequences have to be taken into consideration when you're watching these guys fight,

is that they know there's a win bonus and there's a loss. Like, if you lose, you get your show money. You don't get a bonus. But if you win, you get twice the money. Like, a lot of guys have, the way their contract is structured, they'll make X if they win, and they'll make X plus X. They'll make X plus X if they win, but if they lose, they'll make X if they win and they'll make X plus X if they'll make X plus X if they win But if they lose they only make X so they might have they might be getting $200,000 for the fight

But another $200,000 if they win that's a giant swing. That's a big deal, so they have to be really fucking careful They don't make mistakes. I Don't like win bonuses man. I don't like it. I think those guys are trying to win anyway They're trying to win I just I just think like especially in particular in situations like that when fights are like

that fucking close like a judge can decide whether or not you make an extra 200 grand or don't like that seems crazy to me are you still training?

yeah I saw you boxing a few weeks ago right? yeah I'm back doing jujitsu again too yeah

that's cool I was working on F back last night at the Alberto Yeah. A few weeks ago, right? Yeah, I'm back doing jujitsu again, too. That's cool. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. I was working on heavy bag last night at the Alberto Crane Academy. It was night. I came back from Ventura. I was teaching a workshop, and I need to let go of something. I didn't want to lift weight.

I see the dojo empty, heavy bags, gloves. I said, all right, let's go. Yeah. That's cool, man. Well, heavy bag, I think, is everybody would do better if they had a heavy bag in their garage. Yeah. Just go out there and hit that thing. It feels good.

You don't even have to have great form. Just go out there and hit it. It's so good for your body to just explode and just release tension and stress. And for people who have, like, joint issues, they have these water bags. It's essentially like a thick layer of the outside. It's like a thick layer of padding, like a few inches of pad, of foam. And then inside of that is a water bladder. It's filled with water.

So when you punch it, it's like whoosh. Your arm goes into it. But you could really dig in and hit it hard, but it doesn't have the same impact on your joints. You don't feel it so much on your elbows and your shoulders and stuff because you just give to it you know creativity once in Sicily

you know have you ever been to Italy? yeah that was the first time last year I went to Italy loved it oh man

I went to Rome went to the Vatican saw the Vatican we went to what is the the mountain area Dolomite Dolomite Dolomite

no god damn it Alpine it was out near where the where the volcano killed everybody Vesuvius

oh okay yeah we went there and then we went to the Amalfi Amalfi Coast yes that's where it was

oh man so beautiful didn't even seem real seems like you were in front of a green screen. It's crazy. Like, you look out, you know, you have to go on this mountain road. It's crazy, Joey.

It's a road that should be one lane. Should be one lane, but it's two, and there's buses on it. Fucking buses and motorcycles. Assholes and motorcycles. Weaving in and out of cars. People in Italy drive like fucking maniacs. Like, you have never seen. We all know Italians are kind of crazy I'm mostly Italian and you're left hand

steering wheel no no it's regular like yeah it's only left hand in England and Japan South Africa yeah you got in the car with a left hand yeah well Australia as well Australia like it's fucking confusing as shit. You're like, where are we going? Ah, you're on the wrong side. If you didn't have a stick driving, it's even worse. Oh, yeah, because you have the shift with your left hand. Oh, yeah, but the clutch is still on the left-hand side, right? And the pedal's still on the right?

Yeah, I think I'd adjust, but it would be the opposite version. Yeah, so this is what it's like on the Amalfi Coast. So you're driving on this road. This is what it's like on the Amalfi Coast. So you're driving on this road. True. This is what it's like. That's a two-lane road, Joey. There's a fucking bus coming, and you've got to figure out how to get a car past that bus.

And we were going, and I'm not exaggerating, a half of a mile an hour trying to get past cars and buses. Absolutely. It takes forever to get up there. It should take 10 minutes. That's the road. It should take 10 minutes. It takes 90. I'm not kidding. But once you get up to the top, like look at that picture where you're

seeing the ocean, Jamie, like up in the right-hand corner. Yeah. Like there. That's what it looks like once you finally get up there. You're like, wow. It's so pretty. So pretty, man. Italy's amazing. The food's out of this world. Fuck your gluten.

All your gluten-free bullshit, you better let that go when you're in Italy, bitch. So is there a lot of pasta in Italy? Oh, yeah. People here say, nah, you go to Italy, it's nothing like that. That's Americanized. It's more fish and stuff. There's a lot of... Well, they definitely eat a lot of fish.

Do they still use gravy, like red sauce? No. Not so much. That's Americanized. Right. Not so much. You can get it, though, and I think one of the reasons why you can get it is because probably people have come over there and wanted it, you know? Do you remember that episode of Sopranos, and the guy ordered, he's like, I want gravy.

And the one waiter looked at the other one, he goes, these East Coast Italians, they're as classless as the Germans, because he ordered spaghetti with gravy. Yeah. That's not big over there. When you say gravy, people are like, what is he talking gravy? People think of like gray. No, it's sauce. Like gravy with biscuits.

Yeah, spaghetti sauce. Yeah, it's weird. Like Bolognese. Yeah. Bolognese, yeah. They have that. I had Bolognese last night. Yeah, you can get Bolognese over there.

But it's just the Americans that came over, they developed a different sort of style of eating. Like a lot of meatballs. Yeah, like Alfredo. Fettuccine Alfredo. You don't like it? That's the shit you eat when you come here as an immigrant. Right. Like when I came from Cuba, like when you're a white kid, my daughter likes Alfredo.

That shit's going to get cut off the menu in like a month. You know, no Alfredo in my fucking world. Why not Alfredo? Because that's just gonna get cut off the menu in like a month but you know no alfredo in my fucking world why not alfredo because that's what people eat in iowa like that's the first italian they eat like alfredo they love it you know no no no that's like a one month training thing like when i like i even had it out of a fucking jar like that's how alfredo i was yeah when i was when i came from cuba i tasted italian but my mind blew up. You know, I was into all angles of it, but the red sauce was last. I'm fucking Alfredo with fucking those thick noodle sauce. I like it.

That's what you give to a fucking horse. I like it. No! I like Alfredo sauce with chicken and broccoli. Oh, no! Mushrooms. Come on, Jamie. Is it good, right?

It's good. You grow out of that. I grew out of that. It's not my first choice, but I like it. No, I don't. But I never heard about that since I moved here.

When I moved here in 90, it was 92, 93, everybody were asking me, do you like Fettuccine Alfredo? I said, I don't even know where they are. That's hilarious. They don't know Italian.

I said, no, I'm from Italy. They pass per se. You don't know Italian. That's hilarious. It's like going somewhere in another country and they tell you. No, I'm from Italy. They pass per se. You don't know Italian. That's hilarious. It's like going somewhere in another country and, you know, they tell you.

It's just here. Cheeseburgers on America. What are the meals? So you have bolognese, you have arrabbiata. Yeah. You have pasta fagioli. Yeah, it depends about the, you know, the location. They call it the real name, like pasta fagioli.

Pasta fagioli. Yeah, they don't call it pasta vazou. Well, that's New Jersey, pasta vazou. But then what's in the, like we can't get that stuff here in Canada. What's in that? The gabaguch. Not the gabaguch. The other one, the green stuff, the stuff that gets your dick hard. The what?

The what? I thought it was a blue one. Pesto gets your dick hard? That's a viagra. What do you put in pasta vazou? You put beans and the green stuff. It's not spinach. The pistachio?

The pesto? Pasta pesto? No, no, no. It's not spinach? It's not. What do you? They call it. It's two things.

So you're talking about a type of vegetable? Escarole and beans. Oh, escarole. Oh. That shit. Escarole gets your dick hurt? Huh? I think your dick was just getting hard. You to me. You were just looking for a reason.

Pasta for zoo in the winter. You make that shit in November. Okay? You know, I ate pasta. When I first tasted it, I ate it every day for like 40 days. Like, when I first went to my friend's house, I went from 160 to 194. Just eating pasta for zoo twice a day

and lifting weights. That sounds like the army. That's the only thing they were giving you. Oh, lifting weights and pasta fazool. You get yoked, Jack. It's like taking D-ball. You get yoked. Yoked. Just pop those beans, that escarole, and that in the winter with all that garlic and stuff.

You're off and running, brother. They did have a lot of fish. Like, they had amazing seafood. That's what we're talking about, the dry vines. The Amalfi Coast, they had amazing seafood. But the pasta was, like, a very light sauce. Like, you know how you get, like, if you go to a good place and got, like, linguine vongole, they'll give you a linguine with a very light olive oil and garlic sauce with the linguine.

And, like, that is the kind of pasta. Like, it's a very much more delicate pasta. Yeah, because you want to taste the fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to cover the flavor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why if you try to go to a real Italian restaurant, you ask for cheese, like grated cheese on linguine vongole,

they'll look at you like you're a fucking monster. It's true. Like, who are you? You're not going to put the cheese on the top of the fish. Yeah, they'll say it's not recommended. Not recommended. Not recommended. They'll look at you like, mmm, don't do it. And you're like, no, no, no, no, come on. cheese on the top of the fish. Yeah, they'll say it's not recommended. Not recommended. They look at you like, don't do it.

And you're like, no, no, no, no. Come on. Come on, hit me with it. Like Kevin James and I used to always get linguine and clams, and he would get pissed if they didn't come over with the cheese. Like, where's the guy with the cheese? We've got to have the grated cheese. And you would try to put it on like at a good restaurant.

They would get upset with you. They don't want you putting that cheese on it. If you have like spaghetti bolognese or something like that, they'll ask you, would you like some cheese? And then that makes sense. They don't even come near you. They'll try to stay away from your side of the table if you've got linguine with clams. They don't want to give it to you. And even red wine.

Red wine with the fish. They get mad. Yeah, they get mad. Yeah, they get mad. You're supposed to drink white wine with the fish. Really? Yeah. They get that upset with it?

I don't drink white wine. I don't like white wine. I drink barley, but red wine is better than white for me. Yeah, I mean, I'll drink white, but I don't order it. Like if somebody pours me a glass, I'm not gonna be, it's not awful. But if I have a choice, it's always red. I like red. Red to me, it's like, it got a flavor. That's like compelling. It's interesting It's like it's like it's alive. It's white wine is like chick drink. Sorry girls I drank a sexist my mom used to have a bar and she Had night when we go home when I was real young like four or five in New York City My mom would have a little glass of red wine the wine with the fucking Italian paperwork on it that you ever go to Michelli's and they hang it?

Yeah, yeah. Like that shit. So I was maybe four, maybe five, and I would watch her. One night I watched her go to bed, and I said, fuck it. And I took that bottle of wine, and I fucking drank the whole thing. She woke up like six hours later, couldn't find me. Called the police.

I was missing. You were drunk as fuck. In the closet, shit, puke. I never drank wine again until about fucking eight years ago. I would smell it and still get sick. You got sick, huh? Your brain remembers.

She would tell me all the time, you'll never like wine because you got so hammered that time. We called the cops, we did everything, they couldn't fucking find you. Alberto, what's your martial arts background? I started with boxing, regular boxing. Then I found that that time was like,

82, big things in Italy was full-contact karate. I remember all those big names ben ben the jet yeah ben the jet archidias right out here man he's uh i used to train in his gym when i first came here when i first came to california jerry blank right yeah jerry blank was down in in uh the palisade i believe all those guys were yeah super blinky rodriguez he was out here as well he's benny's brother-in-law. That's how it started for them. And then Muay Thai came. And I fell in love with Muay Thai.

And I fell in love. That was my big thing. Boy, that Muay Thai fucking changed everybody's eyes. As soon as you realize how hard it is to get kicked in the legs. To get kicked in the legs. You know, oh, wait, what? Yeah, and I was like everybody, you know, never try. The first time I went, I said, okay, it's going to be nothing different.

You know, it's like I've being around those kicks in the legs. And they hit me. I remember I couldn't walk for a couple of days. Shins, man. And then, probably love. So, like, Muay Thai, started competing Muay Thai. Yeah, karate style with the shin, where the instep, rather, when you're kicking with the top of the foot,

everybody had this idea, like, that was the way to do it. And then the moment you get kicked with a shin you go oh different music all right that's uh and i got a lot of injury for kicking on the instep oh yeah on my ankle was yeah you get devastated so i need to recondition it on my foot like we discussed in the beginning right so it's a shin kick change. And then during the past, you know, for the security, I started to investigate different styles, different styles. And the thing,

the guy that changed my way to see things, transferred not to competition but to my line of duty, was a guy in Israel. But it's because he's been into four wars. He's a real man.

He's become like a second father for me. And he always told me, you know, he's's the spirit i don't care the way you punch the way you you kick and until your mindset is not on point it's not gonna be you're not gonna be ready to do something for real you know it's so that they can tell you you know do karate do jiu jitsu do that but if your mindset real things when you go to war you do you know you need to apply these things for real it's changing I think he's right but he's also not right because I think he's right in the sense that your mindset must be correct in order for you to apply any any sort of martial arts in

actual competition but it's always important to have the right technique oh yeah no no I don't miss Maybe I miss saying. He was working already on, he never believed in the Krav Maga. He's an Israeli guy. He introduced the Jiu Jitsu a lot. Introduced the Jiu Jitsu, introduced the BJJ in his system, introduced a lot of boxing and Muay Thai. He said you need to have

the full aspect of that. And then of course if you go into the, if you were training all the special forces there, the secret service, you need to have the right guy to do that. Some people are not ready to be a warrior. Right. They can train like a warrior, but not a warrior. Yeah.

Yeah, I can only imagine, especially like Krav Maga in the United States. There's legit Krav Maga schools in the United States for sure. There's really good instruction. There's really good people. But there's also a lot of fucking horseshit. Just like with karate. There's a lot of mall karate where you go to these places and it might be fine for little kids they're learning a little martial arts learning a little discipline they they have goals you know I want to get my orange belt and they get it and they get excited and it's good for them it's good for their mind

but um it's it's it's really critical when you're learning a martial art one of the most important things is find a legitimate instructor right it's the most important thing because relearning things is so hard back when i was teaching when i taught someone they didn't know if they didn't know anything they came to me with no martial arts experience it was so much easier easier than if someone came to me with bad martial arts experience it was so much easier easier than if someone came to me with bad martial arts experience because if you have a like if you took karate for a few years from some bozo and you did everything all wrong i would have to reteach you so when you would panic if you would get nervous you would go right back to that old way like as soon as someone puts pressure on you you would go right back to the old shitty technique that's exactly what it's it's all about what what is your

the learning and the movement database is in your brain is the same position. Yeah. So whatever you achieve or you put in the database

is wrong. Yeah. It's gonna under stress, it's gonna repeat the same things. That's for everything, man. For everything, yeah. Even for pool.

Like there's certain techniques that people learn where they don't learn how to do pool correctly. You know, you're playing billiards, you stand the wrong way and you get used to it and when you're in a match and there's a lot on the line you go right back to the old ways even if you take lessons like it's so important that when

you learn things in life to learn them right the first time that's why when you're growing up as a human being i think it's been an issue with me i think it's been an issue with me. I think it's been an issue with you as well. When your childhood is kind of fucking crazy, like you develop these ways of thinking and acting as a child that are very difficult to break as you get older and as an adult. It's like you have this foundation that's very faulty and you have to be cognizantly aware. You have to be consciously aware of that. Okay, this foundation is fucked up because i grew

up with domestic violence and i grew up with you know no dad and so i have to make sure that i don't fall into these patterns that i had established in my head when i was eight nine and ten and eleven you know as you're growing up as a as an adult this is the way you're looking at life and then you have to kind of restructure it almost like you're starting over but if you meet someone who has like a great father and a great mother and they grow up and they have like a great fundamental balance but those people used to always make me nervous when i was a kid because i was always like god like these how do they i don't even know anybody like that like i don't know i don't like i would feel like inferior to them. When I was around people that had a good childhood, I would feel inferior.

I still do. Do you? Sure. I feel weird. I have friends that I think about them now, and I go, I want to really interview their parents. What did they do to get this kid to be such fucking... What was their recipe to get this kid to be such fucking, what was their recipe to get this child to be fucking a superhuman being?

And I'm not talking about, you know, Julius Irving's father or fucking GSP's dad. I'm talking about people who you meet in life that are really fair, that are really kind. I look at those people and I go, I wondered what their parents did with them, like to have that ability to want to help people and go out of their way, you know. I always think about that shit, especially now as a parent. You're like, what is the fucking chemistry of love for them to understand?

You know, we were talking on the way up here when my mother died. You know, it was the 70s. And let's face it, we were talking on the way up here when my mother died. You know, it was the 70s. And let's face it, we were still Spicks in that New Jersey neighborhood. You know, in Boston and those areas, you hear things. But I remember those Italian kids

coming to my mom's wake and they couldn't make eye contact with me. The same ones that would say Spick or whatever because I short-circuited them. I broke them because the number one word in Italy is mama right that's it that's it when you're in town and everything is mama they would come to that wake and I would short-circuit them because they never could think of that situation happening to them and I'm still friends with those people today and I always wondered why you know who raised them that they're

super great people and then you come here to a place like California and you meet people and they have nice parents or whatever but they're just the biggest scumbags in the fucking world do you follow me me? That's what interests me in my life. I always feel like those people, the parents, probably weren't around that much. They might be really nice people, but they weren't around to really install the right ideals and values and morals in their system. Maybe the parents were off at fucking swinger parties or some shit. I always look at that.

Even the kids I grew up with. Like, I have a friend that his dad was little, but his mother was solid. Right. And. When you say his dad was little, you mean gay? I'll put a bullet in your fucking eyeball. I'll put a bullet in your eyeball? At lunch.

You know, I mean, when I would hang out with him, people's parents would come to me and go, I wouldn't be going over there if I was you. Really? Did you see the article on his dad? Yeah. Oh, he's a psycho? No, no, no. He was.

Crazy? Just a street guy. Okay. And, you know, today the kid is one of my best friends. Never had a problem. Never had a law problem. Never, no record. Never ticket.

Married. Children. Well, you know, there's people that grow up with horrible environments and they come out amazing and then their brothers and sisters are all in jail. It's weird how a person makes choices in their life that really establishes their entire life. And a lot of those choices, man, I hate to say it, but it could be luck. They could have made a lucky choice early on

and that lucky choice led them down a better road than someone who's made a poor choice. Like kids that get involved in the juvenile detention system when they're really young. Boy, that fucks them up so hard. The percentages are horrible. The percentages are horrible. And good friends, good people around you

can tell you the right things. Even if it's hard when he's telling you the truth. It sounds like a smack behind the head, but make you open your eyes. Make you say, you know what? Once you put a kid in one of those gladiator prisons, the percentages. It's like we were just talking about that movie that came out, Sleepers. All four of them went away. Two of them came out to become Westies. The other two came out sleepers yeah all four of them went away two of them came out to

become westies the other two came out to be decent the percentages it's 50 percent yeah and that's that's on the that's on the conservative side right it's gotta be higher once you get that first tattoo and smoke that first cigarette all those, your percentages go deeper and deeper. Once you get the tattoo knuckles that say fuck, you're doomed. Mike Tyson got the face tattoo at 40. Everything had already, all the bad stuff out of his life had already come through.

But if Mike Tyson would have came with that face tattoo at 18, it's so weird how I saw it. I saw people on the bottom that today, they're successful and the police records don't matter or nothing matters. And then I saw other people who were like sneaky people who now they're in trouble for tax evasion.

You know what I'm saying? Like there's always... Yeah. My mother was a big thing for me. Like you say, mama. Mama has been important. My mother, she always told me, give can do you want to receive the double? No, and then it was a beast told me no like be you know straight people, you know, don't don't don't fool around yourself

So you know people I believe that things Yeah, it also helps if you know people that work hard When I was a kid, kid, my best friends had jobs They worked hard, they were constantly working They were always working At a young age? Yeah, my friend Jimmy Dutilio and Jimmy Lawless I'm still buddies with them to this day

But we were in high school Those fucking guys always worked In high school? Yeah, in high school Always worked, always worked Had construction jobs, always worked I had construction jobs too because my dad was architect. My stepdad always set me up with these construction crews and stuff, so I did these jobs.

And so it gave me the understanding that if you've never worked hard and you don't know what the fuck hard work is, then all of a sudden you're 18 and then you're in college and then you got out of college and then you have to to get a job you have no real experience with actual difficult work i just don't think you appreciate what it takes to get by and growing up seeing people that had a strong work ethic and realizing that that wasn't something that i had but maybe it was something that i need to consider as being a very important skill, a very important trait. The ability to just actually get shit done, to get up in the morning when your alarm clock goes off and go. You're uncomfortable.

You want to stay in bed. It's cold out. You don't want to do it. That ability to just do it, just get up and do it. You know that old Nike fucking slogan, just do it? Just do it. It's one of the best fucking slogans of all time. You know how many people actually went out and worked out just because of that just do it?

That might have been like the most effective ad campaign in the history of ad campaigns. When it came to actually getting people to do things that are uncomfortable and something that actually made sense, just do it. So fucking, so important. It's so important You just gotta fucking get things done and for so many people like you were talking about the beginning of the podcast Joey that book the war of art where it talks about resistance, there's so many people that Just fuck off they fuck off and they don't get the things done that they need to get done and that haunts them We know it as comics. We know so many guys that don't write write new material they just don't they just don't they don't work they don't work you know why because when you

have new material man sometimes it doesn't go well sometimes you bomb sometimes you go up and it's clunky it's not ready and when you do a special like when you just released a special you know what it's like you need that material is dead now and so now you have to write all new material and you have a bunch of people that are coming to pay to see you. Oh, my God. It's hell. Oh, you're panicking. It's hell.

I'm panicking. And the shows aren't always good. I panic every fucking week. Every week when I go on the road, I panic. Because I do not have a full 50 minutes that's new. I got a couple fucking minutes, and I'm trying out new shit constantly. Constantly. But.

And it comes together. Slowly but surely. It comes together. But it's just like anything else. It's sticking with it. Right now, I'm trying out new shit constantly. Constantly. But And it comes together. Slowly but surely. But it's just like anything else. It's sticking with it. Right now I'm in a slump. So what do you do as a baseball player? Jamie, when you're in a slump, what do you do as a baseball player? You quit? No! You keep fucking hitting. And you keep striking out and you keep fucking

striking out and you keep it together. You cannot lose it. I.K.A. Tony Perez 1976-75 against the Boston Red Sox. He went 0 for 17 in the series, and in game seven he hit the single that changed. They won the World Series, really. So he could have just said, I don't want to do it. I know I'm in a comedian slump. Well, not anymore now, but like in December and January It was fucking heavy Jack

But you just gotta work yourself through it Yeah there's no other way You just gotta get yourself through it It's the weirdest thing There's no other way There's no other way You know what And for me I could lie to you

And say well I'm not gonna get on stage I'm gonna stay home and write for the next three months That's not good enough Wrong answer Jack That's not gonna work It's not good enough You gotta keep going to the well. Like, right now I have a problem.

You know, last year I have such a fear of being on my back in jiu-jitsu that it fucking made me. I will not quit. I will not quit. Because what happens if I'm with Joe, I'm with my family one day, and I get kicked in the stomach, and I'm on my back. Am I going to panic? So I cannot fucking quit. So I kept going back to jiu-jitsu. But the weird stomach and I'm on my back. Am I going to panic? So I cannot fucking quit. So I kept going back to jiu-jitsu. But the weird thing was I was doing it wrong.

Even though I was putting in the mat time, I wasn't working on my breathing. I thought that by me going three times a week and doing what a fighter does, stay in that fighting three times a year that my breathing would come together. It would come together but in little, not good delivery. You know what I'm saying? The time I'd put in for what I'd get back wasn't rewarding enough. I would think of going on a white shirt. You needed a different approach?

And then I started doing those little things with Alberto in the back when I'd get there, the breathing. You know what, man? I'm a big boy. You don't have to tell me dick. I know I got something wrong with the back of my head with that fear shit. And with the needles, and what did I do with the needles, dog? I could faint. I faint walking into a doctor's office.

I could smell cotton. I can't smell shit. I could smell fucking cotton when I walk into a doctor's office. I could smell that light. Because it associates with fear. Tremendous. When I walk into a doctor's office, my blood pressure is 190 over 160, dog. They look at me and go, how are you walking?

I go, take a hike. Come back in 10 minutes. And once my doctor comes back and he starts talking to me and we talk about Chicago and hot beef sandwiches, he goes, watch this. And it's 140 over 80. I think you're right. I know. I live through this.

I live through this. It's all about, for me, when I train people, I try to say, okay, you're doing 10 push-ups, and if you come to the number eight and you see that you start to struggle, that's it. Stop. I don't allow you to do a bad number and a number nine because I know number nine is gonna be a bad push-up so a bad form so what happens when you're gonna be under stress you're gonna be repeating right the bad form so for me is the concept I try to like remap you like you said before when you were teaching

remap you in the way that you always try to achieve the best. So like you say, just do it. What I say, okay, you need to repeat the things I'm doing. You never do it wrong. Don't do it right.

You never do it wrong. Because do it right once, it can come from lackness. There's a lack shot. I want you to learn how to do it right every single time. That's when we can

step forward to the next level. Do you subscribe to that Pavel Tatsulini? You know, he's got that strong first ideology where you don't do, you don't do the next level. Do you subscribe to that Pavel Tatsulini? You know, he's got that strong first ideology where you don't do to failure ever.

I do that now. That's how I do all my work. I don't lift to failure ever. Like, say if I could do 10 reps or something, I do five. And then I wait like 10 minutes, and I do another five. Then I wait 10 minutes,

I'll do another five. Then I wait 10 minutes, I'll do another five. And the idea being that it's more important to do more workouts in the week with low repetition than it is to do a high repetition workout like you know where that guy's like come on you spot me last one that's not good your body's not designed to do that your body's not designed to be at failure ever

so what you're supposed to do is build yourself up. So you're doing these exercises, and he says that you should think of them as a skill, that strength is a skill. So each exercise you're doing, you don't want to be tired when you're doing a skill. You don't want to be completely exhausted when you're trying to pull back a bow and arrow or shoot a pool game or shoot a ball in pool. What you want to do is you want to have that cemented in your mind when he calls greasing the groove like each time you do it you do it perfect you do it with perfect form and you just do low repetitions with heavy weights absolutely you know power and strong force i believe is another amazing school yes school of strength and one of my coach of strength

conditioning is from that yeah and yeah that's what i'm doing for myself even because of those flights you know my jet lag my cns my scenario system is already yeah what i do when i train i never i maybe every four week i try to do one or two reps and 95 i never try to do a personal record i always like to work like 85 few reps so even psychologically i know that i can handle the good form at that level and never get stressed out. For people who are interested in this, go to Pavel. There's a lot of stuff online, but I think some of the best stuff online is him on the Tim Ferriss podcast. Really excellent stuff. And he's got his own books out there, and he's got books on tape, and he's got videos, and you can see a lot of his videos.

But his method is so good. It's so so smart and it's made big differences with me first of all it's cut my injuries down radically like radically because i would be doing these you know 12 15 repetitions with heavy weight and like barely getting the 13th one and then the 14th and then you know your form gets all fucking sloppy your back's bending in a weird way and it's terrible for you it's terrible we've been told like that yeah just push you know if you no pain no gain that was poor shit no that's not how you it's so dumb but now i'm lucky that i have weights at home so i have kettlebells at home so i can do it four days a week five days a week and i'll work out for an hour. I just go in there.

It's 8 o'clock in the morning. I start lifting. I'm done in an hour, and I'm not even exhausted. Not only am I not exhausted, I feel kind of pumped up and kind of charged. But I'm not like, oh. Like I used to work out sometimes. Like back in the day, I would do lifts. And by the time the lift was over, I was lightheaded.

My legs were shaking. I could barely walk. You don't have any energy left to do things and then I would try to go to Jiu Jitsu hilarious I would just get mauled I just couldn't do it I know I'd be fucking wrecked for like 2 or 3 days

so I'd be really nervous to lift in the morning and then do Jiu Jitsu at night because I would know that I was going to be operating at like 50% or 60% I'd just get my ass kicked but if you do kettlebells with low repetitions know that I was going to be operating at like 50% or 60%. I'd just get my ass kicked. But if you do kettlebells with low repetitions, even with heavy weight, you could do a real good workout, and then that night you could work jujitsu and you could be 100%. Now, what's this guy's name?

Pavlov? Pavel. Pavel Tatsulini. Oh, Pavel Tatsulini. Tatsulini. Tatsulini. Kalabib. He also wanted, like he wants you to finish

the kettlebell workout energized yes he doesn't want you to finish it mort yes like he doesn't want

that at all right I read that about him that's his whole thing he wants you to finish there ready to go take on the world and I tell you

I was I called Joe and I go Joe I gotta talk to you I go you gave me the kettlebells I love doing the cleans I love doing the cleans.

I love doing the swings. But, you know, I try to do 10 sets of 12 swings in 10 minutes. And I would do that and I'd achieve my goal and I'd be very happy. But then I couldn't go to jiu-jitsu for three days. So what the fuck

did I do? I'm 53. But I would go. I did it. Then I'd do five sets of cleans with two 35s and then strength and jump rope and then try to do sit-ups. And then for three days, I'm dog shit. Yeah. I'm dog shit.

And I called him up and he goes, then dog, cut in half. And then I said, you know what? I'm only going to do my weights now on the road. When I go to a hotel now, every two weeks, I work every other week. I'll hit the dumbbells and do the elliptical. But when I'm in town, I'll just do the tack fit in the beginning, a little jujitsu, and then I'll do a tack fit at the end. And you know what, man, I don't want to walk around hunched up when I'm 60. I got a four-year-old.

I got to be around and be... I like that I can touch my toes. I like all this stuff. But one thing I noticed about TacFit that there's a couple moves that they put in there. I don't know if you did it or somebody did it. That they're jujitsu friendly. Oh, yeah.

Like that. They're moving in movement. If you look at when... If you look, even the kids rolling around when it's in its early stage, you go to some double ass, Now if you look at when if if you look even the kids rolling around when is a Early stage you go to some you know double ass they can transfer to a shin box or whatever You can go into the rolling into the guards. You got to talk up to Mike. Oh, sorry So sorry, so you can you can see you know? moving movement, so what we would my coach start to do it start to analyze those movement and try to get

Mechanical information about those movement. movements yeah but they apply very well on transition for some jiu-jitsu move and that's another thing that alberto was you know was blowing his mind say if i get the guys to move better it's gonna easy for me to pass the technique because they they of course their body their body already know it one of the things that eddie found is that um guys who are break dancers yes excelled in jiu-jitsu and uh there's a kid who fought this past weekend lando venata you know lando venata groovy lando fought this past weekend he fought david tamer crazy fight it was a co-main event lando has only been striking for six years and he's phenomenal but what happened was he started with a bmx background he was a pro bmx racer and was like apparently like a national champion bmx and that pumping

pumping bike legs you know just being able to like like generate extreme speed off the line he developed this explosive ability to use his legs and And so that, like, having cross-training, whether it's through tack fit or whether it's through yoga or whether it's through kettlebells or break dancing or anything else. Soccer for Aldo. Oh, yeah. Soccer for all those Brazilian kickboxers. Yeah, sprinting, all that sprinting they do and all the kicking they do in soccer. Learning how to move your body.

Like, look at what's going on with Conor McGregor and that Ido Portal guy. How to move your body like look at what's going on with Conor McGregor right and that you don't part out there He's concentrating so much on movement and movement is a just a huge factor in his success because his ability to dictate Like where first of all his ability to move in and out is Better than almost anybody's his ability to get out of the way and his ability to move in closely and move like a fucking snake right like he's on the outside and boom he's in and he's in before you know it and he's these complicated sort of tricky moves to try to time and follow very very difficult guy to time and a lot of that comes from constant application of all this movement theory and movement training and

like the more you can move your body any way you want the more you're going to be able to move your body any way you want in competition absolutely and you know at the end of the day like you say at the beginning is you can call it a fee as FG you know as long as the coach the coach is in the coaching charge you really smart a understand yeah how to mop you down that That's good. Nick Kersan, we were talking about. What he's into is all plyometrics, man. He barely has these

guys lifting weights. He's got guys jumping over hurdles and stuff and doing all these leaping back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. He's all about movement in a plyometric way, in an explosive way. And that's one of the reasons why he gets such great results out of his fighters is because they they develop this extraordinary ability to close the distance. Extraordinary ability to get out of the way, you know, the ability to move and then to stop what you're doing and then counter quickly.

You know, all that stuff is just so giant. Now, how does CrossFit fit into everything we're discussing right now? Because Studio City is the fucking capital of CrossFit. You know, you can't go anywhere in Studio City without seeing five guys my age running down the street with a 50-pound plate over their head. And I'm sitting there going, something's not right here. What do you think? I can't tell you what I think.

I think CrossFit, at the beginning, has a brilliant idea. It was bringing back a lot of things that were disappearing, like Olympic weightlifting and gymnastic and stuff. So I think it was good. It started to ruin the things when the games came, when it became a really unofficial sport

and people, they just get crazy. It's a competition. So they're just training with that goal. I need to beat that cap time. I need to beat that things. And they don't understand. It's going to kill you. At that speed, at that timing, it's going to be too much.

A lot of injuries, I hear. Yeah. But it needs tendons, ligaments, muscles, it needs time to adapt. And if you're taking a weightlifter, you spend an entire life to do that kind to learn that kind of movement perfectly never never screw the movement and how many reps he does in his competition one he can't die he can't do that kind of athletic jazz uh movement

so fast you know even if you reduce the weight because you can control one or two three reps and then you might be yes use it up i was talking to michael latch michael latch was one of the most successful um crossfit coach especially here in south california he used to have one of the big crossfit gym in uh in uh van nuys and he was telling me about you know he has more experience with me of course crossfit that was his business told me i believe that if you do you do it when you are 20 years old or something like this, into the 30 you can speed a little bit

then if you are smart enough you understand that then you need to slow down if you train CrossFit without thinking cap time try to see online how much this guy did, so I want to beat this guy and you just train it smartly you do your weight lifting your rings, it's going to be good it's going to beat this guy and you just training smartly you do your weightlifting your

rings and win it's gonna be good you know it's gonna be but if you otherwise if you just take as a sport it's just conditioning you for that part such as crossfit you can conditioning for jiu jitsu try to do a crossfit wood with the cup time because like you say you're going to be destroy yourself you keep saying cup time what does that mean oh you know cup time is like okay you're supposed to do this wood and let's say wood what wd workout of the day workout of the day in 30 minutes like let's say you're supposed to finish in 30 minutes yeah maybe you right maybe for me it take 25 minutes i'm not sure about it right i will do it 25 minutes because i know that can control my movement i'm not gonna get. I don't care.

But most of the people, they go online because now they want to see how much time. And it was telling me, it's crazy. They need to rebuild the site, the website, and put more power because people, they go, when they wake up in the morning, they're going to see, okay,

what is the word of the day this time? Then when they go to work, they're going to go online again and see, okay, East Coast, they already probably did. All right, that's the average time. All right, so I'm going back. The time when I finish the work, they go online again to see, okay, now East Coast, this is the time. Now I go to the gym. I try to do and put my time in.

In the evening, I go like to see if someone beat me so they go into this loop thing that they want to compete always right and always compete for time then you know it's you're gonna kill yourself well steve maxwell said that he believes that what you're doing is when you're lifting and you're doing these olympic lifts you should be doing a live make lifts to get you stronger for another sport for a competition he doesn't believe that it should be a sport in itself. Right. And he also said that he doesn't believe in Olympic lifts for high repetition.

He's like, it's just a recipe for injury. Right. He goes, if you're doing cleans and presses, he goes, you watch Olympic lifters, they do one rep. One rep. Yeah. They're not doing it 30 times in a row. And, you know, yeah, can it be done? Yes.

You know what else can happen? You can drop that weight on your head and die because your body's failing. Because you did 14 reps and everybody's going, come on. Come on, Alberto. One more day. And your arms just literally give out and that thing paralyzes you. That has happened. That happened already.

Yeah. It has happened. But like you say, it's a sport. So if you want to do a game, a competition, you need to train that way. Right. Well, there's guys that can do it and they do do it. You know, there's those rich froning guy that has the, you know, he wins it every year. There's guys that can do it and they do do it.

But you, the person who's listening to this, the average human being, you are way better off following like a strong first method. The average human being. You are way better off following like a strong first method, you know, or like your method or, you know, what Pavel teaches where you're, you know, you lift the weights but you don't go to failure. You use great technique. Absolutely. And if you want to get endurance, run up a fucking hill. Okay? Do rounds on a heavy bag.

You want endurance? Do sprints on a heavy bag. You know what I do? I have a timer and it times, I set it for three minutes and every 30 seconds a buzzer goes off. So there's a bell and then every 30 seconds there's a buzzer.

And when those 30 seconds hit, you fucking sprint. So it's 30 seconds, I ba-ba-ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-ba-ba-boom. Just go fucking crazy

for 30 seconds and then the next buzzer hits. So the next 30 seconds is so light. The next 30 seconds I'm just sort of going through the motion. So I'm kicking and punching, and I'm waiting for that fucking buzzer, and that buzzer goes off, and then I go off again. Just do that if you want endurance.

That'll give you phenomenal endurance. But strength, I am of the opinion, and this is just from the last few years of me operating this way, that you should do low repetitions, and you should do it more often. Absolutely. I agree with you. That's what I do for me and I get better, I get stronger than before. And I took my hormone truck, a trucker, and I took my cortisol level test and it lowered, it lowered,

just to train like that. Yeah, it lowered your stress. Yeah, recovery time time lower reps no no bonding my how do you schedule your own personal workouts do you do you have someone do it for you or do you decide based on how your body's feeling i do i do to myself i do to myself and then it depends about i i have my schedule about how much traveling i need to cover in that specific time you do a lot of traveling you keep talking about that that's an issue huh yeah for for let's take an example just for january from since january till now i've been in australia i've been back to in italy then i went back to brazil brazil back to italy italy

panama panama mexico mexico yeah then i go back to italy then i go back to korea oh jesus and then happening this week I'm here. Next week I'm maybe in Australia. So it's crazy for me. That's why I'm really very careful about the way that I eat, the way that I train. Yeah. And sleep too, I bet, right? Yeah, right, right. It fucks with your sleep and all that traveling.

Yeah, so then, you know, like I was telling Joy, I use a lot of melatonin, of course. Melatonin, yeah. I use phosphatidylserine to reduce my cortisol level, you know, and I try to plan, okay, I'm going to land in this place. The time zone is different. I try to adjust my meals on the time zone, you know, try to my training so I can set up. It's pretty complicated for me to stay in a decent shape.

Do you bring vitamins with you? Yeah, I get vitamin C and a lot, vitamin D and E a lot. D and E? Yeah. And what about as far as your diet? What do you concentrate on? Do you concentrate on eating a lot of vegetables? I actually tried Super Green.

You gave me Super Green. It's very cool. Yeah, Super Green is great because you can take it with you. Right, right. It's great stuff, man. It's great stuff. It's giant. I don your super greens. Very cool. Yeah, super greens is great because you can take it with you. Right, right. It's easy for me. That's great stuff, man. Yeah. That's great stuff, man.

Oh, it's giant. Yeah. I don't like greens. Yeah. No, it's great to mix it in water. I love greens, but in some places you go, it's crazy. You ask for veggies, and the only things they give you, yeah, it's nothing. It's a salad or a couple of things.

That's easy for me to put in my shake or whatever, water. Yeah, vegetables is so goddamn important. So important for people. And so many people just, they don't have it in their diet or whatever, water or whatever. Yeah, vegetables is so goddamn important, so important for people. And so many people just, they don't have it in their diet. They mess up. And your body just does not have those nutrients. And it starts drawing them out of your body. It takes it out of your bones.

It takes it out of your muscle. And also, you're just not recovering correctly. You're not developing correctly. Where do you get your produce from up here? I mean, that's the dumbest question. Tomatoes don't taste like tomatoes no more, Joe. Well, that's because the tomatoes that you get in the grocery stores are designed to last longer. They're not designed to taste good. No, but I go to the farmer's markets.

I do as much as I can. I got up yesterday early, went to the farm. I try as much as I can. I mean, I can't. I crave tomatoes. Get heirloom tomatoes, Joey. They look ugly. They taste amazing.

No, I get them. They only last like a few days. Like a few days, yeah. That's the problem. Because they're real tomatoes. Go to, get heirloom tomatoes, Joey. They look ugly. They taste amazing. No, I get them. And they only last like a few days and they go bad because they're real tomatoes. They're not these fucking franken tomatoes that you get.

Yeah, I don't go to those supermarkets. You get tomatoes, they're hard and they're pale. You cut into them. You're like, what,

is this a tomato or is this an apple? Tasteless. Like, what the fuck is this? It's weird. And, you know,

they only do it so that they can keep them on those trucks longer and drive around the country with them and keep them on the shelves in the grocery store longer. Are you growing your own produce yet? Yeah. Yeah, we grow our own vegetables. Tomatoes?

What else? Yeah, we grow tomatoes. We grow kale. We grow squash. We grow cucumbers. We grow a lot of things. Yeah, I think if you can, you should do it. It's very satisfying to make a salad out of something that you grew yourself.

And just super healthy. You know where it came from? We buy real healthy fertilizer, good soil. And I think good soil is really important too. I have a friend who lived in Brooklyn and he got his soil tested. It turned out that the ground was contaminated with lead from back when they used to have lead gasoline, and they had leaded gasoline. Like, all that shit goes up in the air,

and it all comes down. It's in your soil, and it was in his soil. And there's different plants that you could plant that will draw it out of the soil. Or the best solution, I think, is if you have a yard, just get potted plants. Just get those, you know, big wooden boxes and grow the plants

in there. That's the best way because then you can completely control what soil they grow in. It's just a very contained environment. That's how we do it. We have these big potters and we grow watermelons and all kinds of different stuff. I think I've got to take a course because that would be my world.

That's it to become an old Italian man. Roll up your pants. Get a cigar. Get a hose. Oh. That's it, to become an old Italian man. Yeah, you should do it. Roll up your pants. That's good. Get a cigar, get a hose. Yeah. Oh, I love it, Joey. Plants. I love it.

People come over. Right now, everything's so green out here. It's so amazing. Yeah, it's beautiful because of all the rain. It's so amazing. The rain has been a, it's amazing. It's been raining a lot here, right? Huh?

It's been raining a lot? Like crazy. Yeah, we had a drought for five years, and then this year it's just been flooded They had a giant break of a dam in Sacramento. Oh, yeah, that's true. See that I was in I was in I was in Panama what happened? Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Awesome There's this thing called the glory hole the morning glory hole up northern, California it's this crazy hole that's in this lake and

It hadn't operated in ten years. It't been uh doing it because it's like this like a vortex like a what do they call those when it spins like that what do they call those so it sucks this this hole somehow another when the water level gets to a certain point it develops this hole in this lake and it wasn't there for 10 years and now it's finally back again for the first time wow yeah there it is isn't that nuts wow that's crazy yeah't there for 10 years. And now it's finally back again for the first time. Yeah, there it is. Isn't that nuts? Wow, that's crazy, yeah.

Yeah, so for 10 years, the water level wasn't high enough for that actually to be happening. And now it's finally happening again and people are all excited. So it's pretty much over. All of the drought issues that we had here in California are pretty much over. Tell this fucking guy, I don't care what TV they get just get rid of this goddamn, we've been waiting on this other TV for so long. Tell him today

say just get whatever the fuck you can get by Saturday. Because we have a fight companion on Saturday. We can't have this happening. But anyway. Do you take protein? Protein? Honestly no. I very rarely do. I take hemp protein if i have to like if i'm

running and i'm low on food i just i haven't eaten anything but i know i'm gonna work out um i like hemp protein because i can take like a glass of hemp protein with coconut water and i could i could work out in 30 minutes like no problem because it digests so easy it just goes right into your system so easy it's a nice light it's only you know you're only dealing like 16 grams of protein it's nothing too crazy um but most of my protein i get from meat well yeah real food that's what we were discussing in the car yeah you do if i'm on the plane and i didn't get the chance to cook my food and think on the plane i got some protein but, I like to get some whole food.

Yeah. If I knew I was traveling and I couldn't get it, I bring a lot of bars with me. I bring these, there's a company called Primal Kitchen. This guy, Mark Sisson. And he makes these, yeah, he makes these amazing bars

because they're very low sugar. It's only like five grand of sugar. Yep. He's got coconut. He's got cashews and coconuts. He's got almonds and dark chocolate. There's some back there if you want to try them. Oh, my God.

He's got a coconut. I go crazy for coconut. Dog, he's got a vanilla coconut meal replacement. Oh, yeah. Very good. You know me. I could drink this at 7 in the morning. Yeah?

Me. Smoke and not eat till 2. I don't eat till after jujitsu. Wow. So I will drink that protein powder because I mix them up. I use the hemp. I use that. Like if I have a long, like today, I drank the cocoa because I'm not going to be out

of here till 2. Right. You see me hungry? You see me fidgeting? No. It's the real fucking deal. The key is low sugar. That is the key.

To eliminate as much sugar in your diet. And by the way, folks, that includes fruit juices. If you're thinking that you're drinking a big glass of orange juice in the morning and it's healthy. That's the worst thing in the fucking world. It's so crazy. We thought that was healthy for so long. For so long, we thought, oh, I'm drinking a nice, healthy orange juice. Look, it's got the pulp.

Even if you squeeze it at home. But they got cereal. They might be thinking, oh, we got cereal. I don't need carbohydrates. But they get the juice oh sugar man the more sugar you can cut out of your diet the better and uh sunday is my cheat day yesterday i had pizza i had a cuban sandwich i had a cube a cuban sandwich that uh um was fucking delicious what is the cuban sandwich i always it was in the movie right in there chef and chef. Yes I didn't see chef but what a chef they had a Cuban restaurant. What movie is that?

Was that movie you had Lee Cooper? Well, who was that three people John Favreau? Oh, he makes a food truck people really like that food truck I love the one with Bradley Cooper something else with him. No one saw that movie. He didn't even see that movie Somebody put people that made the No one saw that movie. He didn't even see that movie. Somebody put a... People that edited that movie fell asleep. Somebody put a unique thing on my page, Joe. I got to show you.

They put this thing about a restaurant in New York City. It's called... I've been there. Ari's been there. It's called La Caridad. It's the last Cuban-Ch Chinese restaurant in the United States. Cuban Chinese? Joe, you got to put, and they have one last Cuban.

His name is Antonio Wong. And the guy. What? Joe, you got to put the thing on, please. So there's a Chinese community in Cuba. Huge. The biggest Chinatown before Fidel. Really?

The biggest Chinatown outside of China. Wow. But the people that were born there started talking Chinese and Cuban. So when I was growing up, you had like a Panachina, which is the Chinese bell on 57th and Bergen line. But the real deal one was this last one called La Caridad. And somebody put it on my page yesterday, and we were watching it. Look at this.

Wow. All right. But they have, so they have... Chinese Iqubana. Criollo. Icriollo. Criollo means what they do. Look at that. Fried bananas, pork fried rice.

This is in New York? Yeah. See if you can find the video, Jamie. They put it on my Facebook page. We need to go. Next time we're in New York and we do a gig together. Ari goes all the time when he was in New York. Really? They're open until 2. Somebody found Ari, by the way.

Yeah, Vietnam. Yeah, he was in Vietnam. They got photos of him. Somebody met him on a fucking beach somewhere. But before that, he was in Thailand. That was a month ago. He could be somewhere else. He's a fucking animal.

He's crazy. His phone's still off the hook. He was supposed to be back a month ago. Nobody knows where he is. He's not coming back until May. May? May is when the show shoots. Is that what he said?

He's not coming back until May? I don't think we'll see him until next month or even hear from him until next month. What a weirdo. Could you do that? Could you vanish for months and just not talk to anybody? Not at this point. He's not talking to any of his best friends. I mean, we're his best friends.

He's not talking to us. He's not talking to anybody. Maybe's not talking to any of his best friends. I mean, we're his best friends. He's not talking to us. He's not talking to anybody. Maybe he's talking to, like, one dude. Maybe he's got a confidant. One dude that he calls up, hey, man, I'm only calling you. You see Gabriel Glacius? Him, too. What?

What's he doing? Canceled this tour. What? Why? Canceled this tour. But why did he cancel his tour? 20 years. I looked at a headshot of myself

10 years passed by Done That's what he said? Saw him at the Minneapolis airport His manager looked at me And said talk sense into him please Well what did he say?

What's his thought process? Is he just working too much? He worked He needs to He joined boxing class He joined salsa classes Really? Just wants to live? Just wants to live.

Just wants to live. He bought that new Mustang Joe. That's a bad motherfucker. Which one? Which one did he get? The one that they made 77 of them. Oh, the Shelby GT350? Is that what it is?

How many horsepower? I don't know. It's pretty high. It's just too much. Amazing. Shit that you don't really need. They only made 77 of them, so he's going to go and ride his fucking cars. He's got a shitload of money, Gabriel.

And he's got a shitload of cars, so he wants to do something with Jay. And they're going to drive cars and wave at people and throw a lot of bills out the window. You know, I've been thinking about this myself, man, because my UFC contract is going to be up again. I do it one year at a time now I used to sign these long ass contracts for like five years but now I'm like I'm not doing that anymore I'm going year by year and I have to decide soon

because my contract is up again in August I don't know what I'm going to do but I do too many things I do too much I work too much you know and the family really wears on you and we were talking about date night how now on fridays i got i got the bill of laden sent at me once they give you the bill of laden that means it's over that's uh the act of we had the act of 2017 at the diaz house so friday night is wives dog i don't

give a fuck about your stand-up no more i gotta get out of here i got a four-year-old that drives me crazy so friday night's date night that That's it. Official. You know what, man? You and I have been talking about this, too, that in town, it's maybe sometimes even best to not go out on the weekends and work. Because even though it's good to work, and it's good to get your stand-up in, on the weekends, everybody's there to see the big show, right?

But for us, especially now, like for me, it's only a couple months since my special came out, and for you it's just a month and a half, right? When did your special come out? Three months ago, December 8th. Yeah, so for me it it's only a couple months since my special came out, and for you it's just a month and a half, right? When did your special come out? Three months ago, December 8th. Yeah, so for me it's three months too. So when that happens, or four months, when that happens

your shit comes out, and then you're in this scramble mode where you're trying to create and what I like, what you're doing is you're going to these hole in the walls, go to these weird places, show up and work your material out in these joints. You go to the comedy store on a Friday night, there's 400 fucking people. It's packed to the gills and everybody's doing their best 15 minutes over and over and over again. And one of the things that I noticed when I went there recently is a lot of

these guys that aren't doing specials, you know, there's a lot of young guys coming up in particular that they have, they don't have any specials. They're not releasing any material. So they're doing the same material every time I see them for fucking years now. For two years when I've been coming there, there's certain comedians that have been doing the same act every time I work with them. So what they're doing is they're tightening up this hard 15 minutes and they're doing it all the time. You know how to do that 15 minutes. I don't think that's helping you. And I don't think it's in a lot of ways it's not helping me either like what really helps is you do long sets on the road you know if you go somewhere and you're doing an hour

and you're doing two shows on a Friday two shows on a Saturday that's what helps that's where it's at it's uh you know I got the podcast because just the way my office building is, I can't go in there in the daytime and smoke a pound of pot and play loud music. Right. I just can't do it. And I don't want to do it. So I prefer to do it at night when I don't have a gun to my head. You know, if I come here at 1 o'clock, Joe, and we have to sit here till 4, from 3 to 4, I'm going to be fidgety or out of control. Right.

Because I'm thinking about that fucking traffic. Right. I want you to do the podcast. I don't want you to think of nothing. I don't want you to think of nothing, bro. If you got a spot, don't do my podcast because we might go on a tangent that's brilliant and you got to leave for a stupid fucking spot. I don't want that. I do that Monday and then I try to do comedy two, three times

a week, but now I'm doubling up. Do you have a guest this Wednesday for your podcast? Yeah, why? What time? Because I was supposed to do it. I'm supposed up. Do you have a guest this Wednesday? For your podcast? Yeah, why? What time? Because I was supposed to do it. I'm supposed to do it one of these times. We'll figure it out. Tell me when, so I can cancel whatever comedy I got going on. What days are you doing it?

Mondays and Wednesdays. Who you got tonight? No, I'm not doing it tonight. How come? Because I did it last night. I did two yesterday. Oh, nice, nice. I did the undercover cop finally oh how was that joe fucking to be close to a killer for 18 months who sprays cyanide in your face that's what he was doing he was chasing this guy that was the ice man right he was chasing

the ice man so he had to meet him and the ice man for the only reason why the ice man contacted him was because he heard he could get different guns. And, you know, he was ATF. So when the Iceman contacted him, he wanted Sinai. So he kept saying, bring me the Sinai. And then he was going to sell him arms. So for 18 months, this guy had contact with this guy. I had to meet him in a diner.

He said he would hold his gun pointed right at him when he would meet with him. Under the table? Under the table. But you also had to sit outside. He always told him to sit outside because he didn't want to be downwind of the cyanide. Just in case he, because he would just spray it in your face. You're done. So he was always worrying that this guy was going to ice him.

Ice him literally. Ice him literally. Wow. And then he would kill you. You know, they call him the ice man for people who don't know he would kill somebody and then throw him

in a fucking freezer in his basement for like seven eight months so they'd disappear and then he'd put him in his fucking basement and then he would

toss the body somewhere so it would confuse the fuck out of people they didn't know when the guy died because he would thaw out and then they'd be like

why does this guy have frostbite on him what the fuck is going on this guy's intestines are fresh yeah like his intestines were still fresh meanwhile the guy had disappeared six months ago so they called me ice man he kept these fucking people in his basement you know how cold-blooded you have to be to you're going to sleep in your basement you got a bot did he do it in his basement you have a warehouse he had a warehouse in north bergen, New Jersey, where

I'm from, right on Newkirk. I got my dick sucked out there one time by Gabby. Right out there, I saw Gabby driving on Kelly Boulevard and I just stopped her and she goes, what do you need, a ride? I go, no, Gabby, can you suck my dick? She goes, get in. What a good kid. And then he killed

There he is. Richard Kuklinski, right? He had killed. I lived on Givin' Out Terrace. And on Charles Court, there was a guy named Mr. Softee. He had an ice cream truck. And that was his partner until he killed him, too. He killed all his fucking partners.

He killed a lot of fucking people. And he killed a lot of people for the Gambino family, right? Wasn't that who he worked for? But he was doing shit that it just wasn't. Like they asked him one time about, he bought a bow and arrow. He bought a bow and arrow, one of the ones that you have like a gun. Oh, crossbow. And the guy says, how do you know it's going to work? He goes, let's go for a ride.

And there was a guy at a light with a motorcycle helmet. He shot him right in the helmet and just took off. Guess it works. He was one of those dudes that just didn't care. And that's what this guy was saying yesterday. He goes, you really don't know that this. He goes, one day my kid, it was Halloween, and he had the horns on at the house. And I had to tell the kid to take them off because, in reality, I was sitting across from this guy every day.

This guy would talk about murder like the way you talk about lifting weights like i shot him in the throat and he didn't really die so i i look at the you know just shit that's right you know like just you gave me that book murder machine right you remember that book yeah yeah roy de maio oh jesus christ that's a fucking scary book and it details this guy guy who was a mob boss. What was it, in the 70s? Yeah, I think in the 70s. And it details how he slowly started killing a bunch of people.

Like, slowly but surely. And then they would cut him up in their fucking bathtub. And then they had this one apartment where they would take these people to that was above this bar that they would go to. They'd take these people upstairs and fucking kill them. And they killed so many people. But, you know, they were animals because it wasn't even for business anymore. No, no. It wasn't even about education.

It was like, he disrespected me. Yeah, they were looking for it. He called my sister fat. Really? You got to walk them upstairs. They'd shoot them and stuff. Then they'd hang them and they'd cook. Yeah. And they'd wait for the

body to drain. Yeah, they would cut the neck and hang them so that the blood would all drain out of it. And then you'd go in and chop them up and put them around. Who does this shit? How do you fucking sleep at night? You know what I'm saying? I could see somebody calls you a motherfucker and you shoot them. Shit happens. You know, somebody owes you $10,000.

Somebody hits your sister with a car. But they're just, they were just doing shit to prove that they were animals. That's animal shit. Well, I think what happens is you get used to doing it. Just like we were talking about fighting and the more you fight, the more you get comfortable with it. I think there's something that happens to people when they kill people. They get real comfortable with it.

And the more comfortable they get with it, the easier it is. And then they start getting a rush out of doing it. And there's also this power to know that there's this guy walking around and his wife thinks he's coming home and you're like, you know what? You're not coming home. I'm going to just stop this right now.

And it's almost like they get a thrill out of playing God in a lot of ways. You know, I read, because before I spoke to him, he told me to read a different book. I had read a different book on the Iceman, and he told me to read a different book. And again, this was our conversation earlier. What book did you read?

It was a different author. This one was by Anthony Bruno called The Iceman. The one I had read before was by a different author, something Carlo, and they said he had caught the Iceman. The one I had read before was by a different author, something Carlo, and they said he had caught the Iceman later when he had become more exaggerated. I killed Kennedy because towards the end he killed everybody. He was there when they killed Costolano. He found out that he was getting people's dick hard.

So this guy wrote the early one. It's really weird. You know, his dad just beat the shit out of him. Beat the shit out of him. The Jersey City. Yeah, just made him a monster. There's no difference between Jersey City and Hoboken. Newark. It's the same animals. He said that there was a kid that would always call him Polack. He had to wear the same clothes to school every

day. He had no money. The kid described his first murder. How he got a stick and waited for the kid to come home. He was 14. You know, when you kill somebody at 14. I thought he killed a guy at a bar. I thought he killed a guy, over-strangled him.

That was the, remember he lit the one guy on fire? Like he once, but the first guy he got was this young guy. And he wouldn't give his name. He beat him up with the twox4, and he went upstairs, and the next morning the cops were outside. He thought he just threw a beating on him. He didn't know he killed him. So he was scared.

He kept puking. He kept going to school and thinking that people would know. And after that, that's it. Once you get away with it, it's like you get the taste. The taste. The taste in your mouth. And then he had an argument with a guy over pool. And he beat him in the head with a pool cue 30 fucking times.

And then he got into another beef where he shot the guy outside, but he lit the car on fire with the body in it. You know, the reason why there's so many unexplained deaths was because his first couple of years, he was going out at night. You know, there was a time when I had four drinks and I'd go rob something. Can you believe that? Just the drinks would get you? You'd feel loose? I would wait until I had four drinks and then I'd be walking home and I'd see a store and I'd kick the door open for some fucking reason. Wow.

He would go out and kill people at night. Go somewhere and let's say you just insulted him for the weirdest thing. Like, hey, get out of the way. He would wait for you kill people at night. Like, go somewhere, and let's say you just insulted him for the weirdest thing. Like, hey, get out of the way. He would wait for you outside and shoot you. So that's how he developed his things, you know? Is that episode available now? Which one? The one with this cop.

No, I didn't put it up yet. When is that one going up? Probably this week. I'm going to do a wrap around the route because it was a phone call. Right. So I just taped the phone call. It was Sunday, and I'm going to do a wrap around it, compare it to the phone call right so i just taped the phone call it was sunday and i'm gonna do a wrap around it compare it to the book he's a great guy i really had a great guy i mean i got to talk to him every day he's like 70 but he's essex county went to the university

of nebraska was a golden gloves champion went back became a state cop then he became atf just a fucking great story man there was two guys that were talking about your podcast. It was fucking hilarious. They were talking about Lee, Lee Syatt. And they were like, what Joey has done to that poor guy. He's like, every time he sees him, he's forcing him to eat mushrooms. He's got to take acid. He's giving him pot.

He's giving him edibles. He's lying to him about the dosages. Lee loves it. Let me tell you, he loves it. He does. Lee loves it. Let me tell you, he loves it. He does. He's great. We just did the liquid acid with the ice cube, with the sugar cube. Oh, Jesus Christ.

About two weeks ago, we did it two nights in a row. It was hilarious. On the show you did it? Yeah, and then he called me the next day. He's like, that was fun. He goes, I went to CBS at four in the morning. He wasn't like that before he met you, though. No, but he's having a great time.

You turned that kid into a freak. He's not a freak, man. I turned him into a functioning savage. But I love him with all my heart because he makes me laugh so much, Joe. You know, I'm 54. It's 28. He's half my age. Right.

You know, I see life from his perspective, you know, and I'm like, Jesus Christ. Well, you guys get along together great. It's like a great dynamic, the two of you together. It works really well. Oh, I love it. I don't see him too much during the week, so I keep the relationship fresh. We talk all the time. I torment him all the time.

The other day I called him. I go, what the fuck is wrong with you? He goes, what are you talking about? I go, I just got a letter from the state. Why is your fucking phone tapped? I tormented him for 20 minutes about his phone. I go, why would my phone be tapped? I go, do you work for the CIA?

Is that what the fuck it is? They made you come over and take my acid so you can report back to them? No! What the fuck is wrong with you? I don't work for the CIA! I said, don't worry about it. It must have been a mistake. Now you got a little fucking paranoid.

When the guy got me the liquid acid, I called him, and I said, listen, I got liquid acid. He's like, and you can hear him getting anxiety on the phone. He goes, oh, no. Right? Like, you can hear a little bit. And then he goes, how are we going to do it? I said, so we're going to get sugar cubes and put the acid on it. But I called him back like a day later.

I didn't have no acid, and I had no sugar cubes. I just made it up. I go, listen, I just put the acid in the sugar cubes, and I put them in a Tupperware. And I put a lid on it, and I left. And when I came back, the lid had blown up. So whatever's in that acid is going to be really fucking strong. I go, I put aluminum foil over it with holes so it could breathe. So the acid won't fucking go into, oh, my God, I had him gone for three weeks.

I go to Cleveland, guess what? Some guy comes up to me, gives me a tube of acid. This is the pharmaceutical grade shit. This will kill Gaddafi the whole fucking day. I go home. We put two drops on each ice cube, on each sugar cube. Oh, my fucking God. Yeah. But see, again, that's why I quit everything because my tolerance is too high.

Back in the day, I could do two drops. I'd be high for 12 hours seeing things, unicorns. I seen something for like two hours. But who knows how strong it really was, too. And you're getting it from Cleveland. You got to get it from like Northern California. Oh, no, no. But then I lost a 10 sheet from a guy in England.

A guy in England gave me some stuff, pink Floyd acid. It's the same one that Sid Barrett took when he quit pink Floyd. So I took that. I saved that. So now I'm going to get the liquid acid. I'm going to put it on the blotter from pink Floyd, and we're going to go deep. I'm just saving that one for a good guest. I like it.

I like it. Let's wrap this up. So, Alberto, how can people get a hold of you? It's Alberto Galazzi on Twitter and on Instagram. Instagram. Two L's, right? Yeah, Galazzi2L. Two L's.

And Joey, obviously, Matt Flavor on Twitter. And Matt Flavor's world is like someone's running that for you, right? Yeah, yeah. Lee does all that stuff. Lee does that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was a one-by-one podcast guy who does that. He does the Instagram.

Oh, okay. The Instagram. Okay. Lee does all the Twitter stuff. I'm in Baltimore next week with my main man, John Rolito. Oh, John Rolito. Where are you at? Where are you going?

I'm at Magubi's. Just three nights. Me and Tom Segura. Tom Segura does the following week. Oh, John Rolito. Where are you at? Where are you going? I'm at Magubi's. Just three nights. Me and Tom Segura. Tom Segura does the following week. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. So yeah, we're going to have a good time there. Awesome.

And the podcast is The Church of What's Happening Now. It's available on iTunes. It's a fucking great podcast. And he's doing seminars everywhere. And he's doing On It in Austin. Oh, beautiful. When are you doing the On It seminar in Austin? Austin, it will be in the middle of March.

Middle of March. Yeah, yeah. Which is this month. So what's your schedule? Where can somebody go find it? What's the website? They can go to Tagfeet Academy or Tagfeet Europe. So they can always find me.

Okay. So they just Google your name and all this stuff. Yeah, Google my name. He's got tons of stuff on YouTube, man. Beautiful. Great stuff. Beautiful. Thank you.

Appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. Really fun talking to you, brother. Joey! See you guys tomorrow. Bye.