The Joe Rogan Experience - #928 - Arian Foster

Episode Date: March 8, 2017

Arian Foster is a former NFL running back. He played college football at Tennessee, and was signed by the Houston Texans as an undrafted free agent in 2009.

We're live? Yeah! What's up man? How you doing man? Good to see you. Likewise. I have never seen a single silly statement like I could kill a wolf one-on-one. Get so much fucking hype. So many people are so excited about this. It's the weirdest thing I i can't i can't call it it was just i tweet random shit all the time and that just for some reason that uh everybody had an opinion on it that's a weird one man it's funny though i've seen a lot of people tweet really ridiculous shit but i don't think i've ever seen anything get this much speculation discussion debate people are mad at you. Yeah, people are pissed off. Like, fuck you. You can't be the wolf. I'm like, Jesus Christ, bro. You got wolf cousins, man?

What's the deal? Yeah, it is a weird thing, man. It's a weird thing. Social media today, it must... You know what I think it is? I think you said it at a time where people were looking for some shit to argue about. Oh, easily.

That has nothing to do with Trump. Nothing to do with climate change it's like oh we got something here fuck him that wolf's gonna kill him right right I'm glad I could be

that source of distraction entertainment yeah it does seem like that though doesn't it it's like you caught I think it's like

peaks and waves cause if you did this like the day 9-11 happened nobody would give a shit. Yeah, they probably, you don't respect it. It'd probably be like that. Yeah, exactly. You'd be like, I can't believe you're doing this on that day.

Some people would probably, if you did it today, they'd be like, I can't believe you say that on National Women's Day, bro. Yeah, for real. It's National Women's Day? Exactly. You want to talk about fighting wolves? This is what's wrong with men. This is what's wrong with patriarchy. I can't call it, man.

That's it. It was interesting, though. My mom calling me and stuff. It's hilarious, man. People I ain't talked to for years are like, bro, you can't be the wolf. I don't know, man. I don't know. So do you always just tweet random shit?

Yeah, man. Whatever. Just randomly, just whatever's on my mind. I'm pretty active on there. Well, that's what Twitter's supposed to be about, right? Exactly. It's a great platform, man. Whatever. Just randomly, just whatever's on my mind. I'm pretty active on there. Well, that's what Twitter's supposed to be about, right? Exactly. It's a great platform, man. It's better.

It's one of the, I think it's the best social media platform. Yeah. Well, it keeps people from rambling. Well, it is. It's an extended ramble. Yeah, well, you can. You can go on those little one, two, three, fours where people continue them. But what I'm saying is if you read people's Facebook,

people get so verbose on Facebook. I couldn't do Facebook. I can't do it. I haven't been on Facebook for a while, and the reason why I decided to get off was my grandma requested me. So Lucy Mays, shout out to Lucy. She's like, Lucy Mays requested your friend. I was like, I can't be on Facebook.

My grandma's on Facebook, man. Grandma's not on Twitter. She's not on Twitter. No. Some people that like, they're not in the public eye. They don't know what to do with Twitter. Yeah. Like, what do I do with this? Exactly.

One of my boys just got on. Matter of fact, he just got a smartphone actually. Just got a smartphone. He's been out the loop, man. And so he, so he gets on Twitter and he's like, so what do I, what do I do? He just tweet, man. He said, well, what do I say? I'm like, whatever you want the loop, man. So he gets on Twitter, and he's like, so what do I do? You just tweet, man. He's like, well, what do I say? I'm like, whatever you want to say, man.

And it's like, I guess it would be hard to gain a following from scratch, unless you know a lot of people or you have a platform. Well, you've got to say something fucked up, and then someone's got to retweet that, and then people start following you. I've seen people do that. Yeah, I think that's where trolling started. Oh, yeah, for sure. Being in an audience and just trying to piss people off.

Trolling is very weird. It's like, I wonder how many, I wonder who has, like, the most fake accounts. Like, there's got to be some dude out there that has, like, a record number, like 150 fake accounts, just trolls people. I don't understand it. Well, that's because you're a successful man with an actual life. I mean, that's true. I appreciate that, man you're a successful man with an actual life that's for me that's true i appreciate that man says a lot coming from you but uh i don't know man it's just weird like your whole like uh internet existence is just to piss people off i guess

there's humans like that in real life anyway so oh there definitely is that makes sense yeah there definitely is but it's a there's a new thing you know the ability to do it without seeing the person without being in contact with them physically you could be on the other side of There definitely is, but this is a new thing, the ability to do it without seeing the person, without being in contact with them physically. You could be on the other side of the planet. Yeah. Matter of fact, I saw some documentary you were on that you described it beautifully about how when we first got on the Internet and there was that AOL dial-up, everybody was just kind of mumbling around, everybody was just kind of bumping into each other,

and then we're slowly finding a way to interweave it into our existence. It was a dope analogy that you put up to us. Well, we're in a weird stage right now where it's going to – I don't know what it is, what's coming next. But whatever's coming next is going to be way more invasive than this. It's got to be AI, man. Probably. Jamie's got some goofy glasses he's got on. Check these bitches out.

He's got these Snapchat glasses he's got on check these bitches out he's got these snapchat glasses snapchat they have light bulbs in the eye like look when you're filming that's cold look at that so you can actually you can actually snapchat from them yeah yeah i'll go to my phone and then i put it up like i don't have to put all of them up and it's not going live yeah they see this is like just stage one eventually it's going to be live all the time like contacts right yeah put in context that'd be cold that's definitely going to happen it's definitely going to happen yeah now when you when you said this shit about wolves right how serious were you you half serious fucking around well it's i mean i was half fucking around but it's like when you start thinking about it and breaking it down i mean i was half fucking around but it's like when you start

thinking about it and breaking it down i really i feel like i can't but like i everybody thinks like i'm talking about like everybody like especially on twitter like you they're posting these big ass wolves with these 200 pound plus wolves i'm like all right listen like those are rare right so like i'm not the biggest human on earth and you're gonna give me a picture of the biggest wolf you can find like that's not it's not fair it's not fair right so google average wolf size and i feel like if it was you know my life was depending on it like you have to think like that right if you run into a wolf and he's threatening you and you're like i can't get him you dead so well i feel like if you had something on you you'd have more of a chance i would have serve a knife yeah something yeah i feel like i don't i wouldn't be in the woods

without something but wolves man do you know how hard they bite yeah no i've done a little research i've done a little research um i think it's like 1200 or five times stronger than a pit bull right right i think it's 2500 i think it's 2500 pounds per square inch see if you could find I was looking yesterday Yeah, I think it said a mastiff was stronger than a wolf which is weird It wasn't it wasn't in the top well a fucking dog alligators and crocodiles were stronger than that a gorilla was stronger So the gorillas bite strong. Yeah Wow I would have never imagined that Yeah, they're eating broccoli and shit. I mean strong branches. Well. They just have never imagined that. I'll try to look it up again. Yeah, they're eating broccoli and shit. I mean, strong branches, I guess.

Well, they just have to fight other gorillas for pussy because they have a one-inch dick and they control a bunch of chicks. They have to have a good bite. How do you know that they have one? I know a lot of shit about gorillas. That's what's up, man. They have little tiny dicks. That's what's up, man. Well, it's about whether or not the females are promiscuous.

See, when you look at, like, it's actually a truth with humans, too. But testicular size and dick size is directly correlated to the amount of promiscuous females around. Really? Yeah. So if you're around a bunch of hoes, your balls get bigger. That's interesting.

What is the evolutionary advantage, I guess? Well, you gotta sling You gotta sling as much dick as you can Because these bitches are just Running around with everybody Not on National Women's Day bro No I'm sorry

I'm so sorry I'm so sorry You're right I apologize I'm so thoughtless of me But that's That's why chimps have big dicks And chimps have giant balls

You ever see chimp balls I've never seen a chimp ball man Oh pull up some chimp balls There's a There's a There's a picture of this Hairless chimp balls? I've never seen a chimp ball, man. Oh, pull up some chimp balls. There's a picture of this hairless chimp who's sitting there, and he has balls that just look like... Oh, the one where he's kicking back? Yeah.

They're like two juicy, ripe pears. Like two Georgia peaches. Look at his balls. Wow. Dude, the size of his fucking balls. He's so big. He's so jacked. That's what chimps look like when you take the hair off of them. That's crazy. And that's only, you know, 150 pounds.

So they shave this chimp? No, he has mange. Okay. See all his hands? Like, he's got the skin condition all over his hands and chip. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You do know a lot about chimps and gorillas.

Well, here's an even crazier one. Pull up this picture, Jamie. A direct correlation between testicle size and brain size in chimps versus humans. Yeah. See, that's a human, that's a chimp brain on the top and a chimp ball on the bottom. And what's the correlation? They have giant balls

and little brains. If our balls were as big as our brains, we would have a fucking serious problem. First of all, we wouldn't be able to walk. Yeah, we wouldn't have a lot to... We would have to figure out some sort of a harness. I feel like our balls would be bigger, though. Our balls would be bigger than chimps?

They're not. No, no, no, no. They'd be bigger than they are now. If what? If we had smaller brains. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Probably.

I guess. Yeah. What they think is that with chimps especially, because chimps are seriously promiscuous. Like there's no monogamy in the chimp world. Good for chimps. They just fuck everybody. Good for them. Good for chimps, yeah.

Getting it everywhere. Yeah, we still holding on. Barely. We say we're holding on, but it's like 50% divorce rate. It's high, man. Yeah, which means 50% divorce rate, and it's high man yeah which means 50 divorce rate and out of the people that are not divorced how many of those people are living in fucking abject misery just constantly being just beaten down by life and not not being happy it's an old uh it's an

old custom man for sure it's definitely an old custom there's an old quote from thoreau that most men live lives of quiet desperation that's real shit my favorite is uh chris rock he said he said a man is only as faithful as his options yeah that's uh that's a good quote too the uh the chimp thing though what's interesting about it is that gorillas have figured out a way to hold it down like gorillas keep all those women like faithful All the females so he's a polygamous Yeah, okay. Well he has a bunch of women He has a harem, but the women don't fuck around with any other males other than him, so he's got this little dick That's and not big balls either gorillas are Mormons. I didn't

Yeah Just giant you know so they're giant and they have giant muscles and giant faces and giant jaws, and they could kill other gorillas by biting them and tearing them apart and shit. But that's the only thing they use their mouths for other than eating branches and shit and leaves. I don't know why they need that strong jaw then. Fight off all the other gorillas. But they strong. Super strong, but so are other gorillas.

jaw then fight off all the other gorillas but they strong super strong but so are other gorillas i'm always interested in the like the evolutionary uh reason as to why things are the way they are yeah it's fascinating so it's like it's their first instinct to bite you know what i mean because ours ours isn't i think they show their teeth more than they bite you know they show their teeth they beat on each other intimidation yeah because i've seen videos of gorillas beating the shit out of each other this oh yeah this is one recently right this is one at the zoo these two gorillas go at it silverbacks yeah and a big gorilla is like about 500 pounds right and the size of a big one i think these dudes just start circling each other but this is just because they're assholes whoever built this gym you're not supposed to have two silverbacks together like this yeah so most of

what they're doing is just like it's hard for me to go to zoos anyway man it's depressing yeah it's a it's a prison you know what's not depressing though they always say this the giraffe cage those giraffes don't get seem to give a fuck they're just so chill i used to i had had a bit about it when they just go so slow but they don't there's no one's eating them they're happy like that's all they want to do is just eat and chill. I did see wild lions get after one once. Oh, in real life? No.

On the internet. Oh, I thought you were on safari or something. Nah, hell no. A buddy of mine went on safari, and they saw some lions. I think it got a gimsbuck or something like that, but they said it was crazy. They said these female lions chased after this thing, and then they were there right when it took it down. That's crazy, man. Nature's a scary place, man.

Yeah. That's why I'm surprised you think you could take a wolf. Well, I'm not out here trying to hunt wolves. I'm just saying in the event, if I catch an avid, like you look at like a gray wolf, right? They're small compared to me. Well, they just shot one that was 182 pounds in minnesota see that one that's a bit yeah everybody gave me that picture size of a fucking bear that's a big one yeah it was a big it was a big wolf so if like that's on this side of the spectrum if you go

towards the middle so what do you think like what size like 100 pounds you can fuck up 100 pounds i think so yeah i just do man you know you're gonna take some damage right but you think you're gonna come out ahead i'm not gonna come out come out like Superman I got, you know. Right. It's going to hurt. It's definitely going to hurt. Yeah. I mean, I might bleed out afterwards.

Who knows? But you think you'll win overall? Yeah, I do. What are you, about like 230 or something like that? 230, about 230. Yeah. You're sizing me up over here, too. You see that?

Figure it out. A lot of weigh-ins, man. I'm at a lot of weigh-ins. Yeah. I'm used to seeing dudes that are not going to make weight. Yeah, nah. I'm like, that guy's not 170. Yeah-ins, man. I'm at a lot of weigh-ins. Yeah. I'm used to seeing dudes that are not going to make weight. Yeah, nah. I'm like, that guy's not 170. Yeah, nah, man.

This could be a problem. Yeah, nah. I don't know. You see how you're a UFC or MMA fan, right? Yeah. So how hard can humans kick? Humans can kick pretty hard. But the thing is, all I got to do is catch him one on the bottom jaw.

And all that. Not really, man. All that. You don't think I could break a wolf's jaw with my kick? I don't think so. That's crazy. I think their body gives better than ours does. The thing about people, one of the things about people getting hit is that people resist.

They tighten up and like that. That's true. That's one of the reasons why people get so hurt. You ever seen a dude who doesn't know how to fight, they get stiff and then they get cracked and they wind up getting hurt bad. hurt you ever seen a dude doesn't know how to fight they get stiff and then they get cracked and they wind up getting hurt bad but also someone who's like loose and relaxed i don't think a wolf is going to be worried about you kicking him but that's what i'm saying so i'm also an athlete right so right i have a different perspective of i've been in combat before not with wolves but

i've been in combat before yeah nfl i mean it's basically combat right it is definitely but uh i i understand that you have to uh you have to you have to be as uh as loose with your body as possible that's that's how you uh exert more uh more energy more efficient energy than than tensing up so all that's in my head and plus i know what the wolf is thinking for the most part i'm gonna put up a video of a wolf right now i'm gonna put it up on a regular wolf though like well this is just a video that someone got recently that some dude found i'm gonna put it up right now hey check it out jamie oh it's posted it's gonna take like three seconds for it to go up but it's a video that someone just sent me and i watched it and i was like what the fuck it was a guy on a road, and he saw this wolf.

And you could see, like, the headlights are on this wolf. This wolf's, like, just checking him out on the road. I'm terrified of wolves, man. I'm not saying I'm not scared. I'm just saying, I mean, in a life or death situation. Watch this. Look at this. This is a shitty fucking TV. When's this guy coming to fix this TV? It's supposed to be tomorrow, situation. Watch this. Look at this. This is a shitty fucking TV.

When's this guy coming to fix this TV? It's supposed to be tomorrow. Tomorrow? Friday. Thank God. Look at that thing. That's a big ass wolf. Look at him checking you out.

But how bold is this wolf that it's coming near a headlight? It's like... So odds are he probably got his pack with him though. Oh yeah, the pack's somewhere. Yeah. Unless he got kicked out. He might have got kicked. He looks like an older wolf.

He's got scars all over him, you know? That's what I'm saying. So he might be injured, too. I don't think he's injured. I think he probably just got fucked up by one of the other wolves, and he just realized, all right, I've got to find my own way. Wolves are scary, man. I'm with you.

But you think you'd kill one? I do. I just do, man. I think I'd kill a coyote. Coyote? Yeah, but I might with you. But you think you'd kill one? I do. I just do, man. I think I'd kill a coyote. Coyote? Yeah, but I might be wrong. I don't think you're wrong on that one. Coyotes, foxes.

Foxes, easy. Fuck yeah, I'll fuck a fox up. Set it up. It's interesting, man. It's interesting to me how much um people have an opinion on wolves like all of a sudden these wolf experts come at it oh yeah nowhere i think you kind of are though right well i know definitely not a wolf expert but i know a lot about him you know what man i did um i was on a sitcom once and we had a chimp on the set it was a baby chimp like a two-year-old chimp

and it had diapers on it's like a little baby and it climbed up on my back just just slapped me a couple of times on the back just to play it was just playing and i was shocked i was like how fucking hard did this baby just hit me this is crazy and i grabbed his little body you know and he was being friendly he wasn't being mean or anything but i grabbed his little body and it doesn't feel anything like a person. Like, you grab even a strong person. Like, there's a little give to their arms. You look, even like a fucking powerlifter dude, like the Mountain from Game of Thrones.

I'm sure if that dude was just resting, if you grabbed his arm, there's a little bit of give to him. With chimps, they're like corded steel, man. It does not, that's why a 150-pound chimp is as strong as a 500-pound man. It feels like you're grabbing this table. like literally, like it was confusing to me. And then I was thinking in my head, like I just have it in my head that that thing is, like I would scale it down, like, oh, okay, if a person was that big, a person wouldn't

be this strong. But then when you touch it, you realize like that is not composed out of the same shit a person's made out of. They do other things though. Oh yeah. Like, you know, they swing around on trees and those muscles develop.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You can't compare a human-sized chimp to a... No, you can't. Yeah. No, you can't.

That's why when you see that hairless one, when you see how jacked they really are... That's a different... And plus, they got thumbs, so it's like... It's different.

So how big a chimp do you think you could fuck up? I don't think I could fuck a chimp up, man. Any chimps? Maybe the baby one that you have. That baby one, man, might have fucked me up. Like, he didn't know it. I don't know. So you're pretty realistic then.

We said what? You're pretty realistic then. Yeah. Yeah, so you're thinking like a kick to the face. That's the opening move of the wolf? Got to be. Got to be. And he don't know it's coming. He doesn the opening move of the wolf got to be got to be and he don't Know it's coming. He doesn't go it's coming, but he's gonna leap towards your throat. I'm gonna leap towards his jaw

Hmm. I feel like you gotta have that mentality and somebody Somebody sent me an article to write in Russia some woman Survived the wolf attack and killed the wolf. Yeah, let's you do that I don't know I didn't read past she see but that goes back to the whole chimp thing because russians are built different than regular white people i feel you they're not the same i'm an athlete you are an athlete that is true i just feel like you're saying i just feel like if you if if you come into that with the mentality of i gotta beat this wolf look there you go attack by wolf axes it to death come on man look at her wow

she's probably drunk from dagestan well those dagestan people are hard as fuck that's where habib nirbhagomedov is from it's a bunch of uh tough fighters from dagestan dagestan's filled with just straight killers i like we have the information man like right on hand man anything jesus christ what is that human ken doll up in the upper right hand corner can't breathe properly It's filled with just straight killers. I like we have the information, man. Like right on hand, man. Anything. Jesus Christ. What is that human Ken doll up in the upper right-hand corner? Can't breathe properly due to plastic surgery? Oh, Jesus Christ.

Look at that guy's face. What the fuck, man? What doctor did that? They should find out what doctor did that. That's a dude? I guess it's a dude. It seems like a not real thing It seems like Physically

With the help of plastic surgery Don't even I don't want to hear this thing talk Jesus What the fuck is that? That's the world we live in today man The thing you'd have going for you Is that a wolf doesn't really want to fight to the death

They just want to kill you Exactly They want to kill you And if they can't kill you they might be like oh this might be a problem let me get the fuck out of here they say that about like mountain lions i don't want to see no mountain lion either i don't want to see one either no but if you get attacked you're supposed to fight back i heard uh because uh my girl right now she's from the northwest area and we went on this little hike once and so she told me while we were there i was

like oh you know so they have mountain lion. They had little packets on how to deal with if you see a mountain lion. I'm like, if you'd have told me that there was mountain lions here, I would not have came. But anyway, so I'm reading the pamphlet and they say if you get big, they usually,

like, they usually, yeah, they back off. They're kind of scared. Yeah, you throw your arms up in the air. Yeah, they say if you have a kid with you, you're supposed to pick your kid up and hold it over your head. Man, I'm not sure about that. Yeah, I don't know. But people have killed mountain lions before with knives and shit.

If you have a knife and you get attacked by a mountain lion. See, there you go, man. It's possible, man. That's all I'm saying is it's possible, man. Well, you definitely have to fight. You don't want a wolf to just eat you. You just lay there. And if you have that mentality, dog, you just have to, like, it's whatever.

You're all about that mentality, huh? It has to be. It's a mentality. Because, like, I'm an athlete, so I come from, like, the mode of, like, it's either hit or be hit, kill or be killed. Like, people out here trying to break my bones. So, like, you have to have kind of a psychotic mentality. Well, you definitely do to play NFL. Yeah.

There's no doubt about that. I mean, when you're staring down a team of super athletes and you're just going to collide with each other or try to get across lines, that's a totally different way of living your life than 99% of the world. Yeah, I tell people, like, I've had 14 surgeries in my career. Jesus Christ. It's just crazy. Like, it's normal to me and it's normal to people that play in the league.

Like, after the season, like, usually everybody gets a surgery of something that that's been by what have you had done i've had uh meniscus several times i've had achilles back uh my pinky my shoulder uh i actually played um uh all of my 2010 season with a broken collarbone jesus yeah i did that game three and it's still broke you can still feel it but with a broken collarbone yeah how did you do that mine don't matter man it just is like because at that time i was i went on draft right so um i had just got my shot to start and it was game three and i was having a really good season and um it was either like if in the nfl if if you're not if you're not already paid, your position is up for grabs. And so it's either you push through it or somebody's going to take your spot.

Wow. And so that was my time to shine. So I was like, pain killers, man. So could you feel it moving around? Mm-hmm. It was weird. Oof. I had to protect it.

My brother-in-law has a metal piece there. He lost his in a BMX accident. They put a titanium rod. Yeah. I think I need that protect it. My brother-in-law has like a metal piece there. He lost his in a BMX accident. They put like a titanium rod. Yeah. I think I need that, man. Because like right now it's dipped in. You can feel it. It's like dipped in.

Did you ever like get it looked at? Nah, because I didn't want him to know I was hurt. And so because like they bring that shit up like during when you're negotiating your contract. I was like, oh, well, he missed this because he was hurt. And they bring that. They use it as leverage against you. And so 2012 was when I signed my contract. The day after,

I was like, yo, I just want to let y'all know I broke my collarbone two years ago. And they're like, no way. I was like, yeah, they're like,

no way. So I was like, get an x-ray. Wow. And so we got an x-ray. It was like, holy shit, you did.

I would be impressed. I'd be like, that's a guy I want on my team. Yeah. Dude played with a broken collarbone. It's a bittersweet, right? So like,

as soon as you tell him that's what happened, then it's like, oh, well, he gets injured. Like, it's a weird. What, he's human? Who the fuck doesn't get injured playing in the NFL? I mean, you would think that's the rational way to go about it. Do you know anybody who's played pro football who didn't get injured? I mean, how is it even possible? I don't feel like it's possible.

I haven't seen anybody. I watched the super bowl and one of the things that i was thinking was like okay you're watching all these dudes run and collide with each other and watch all these tackles and like i was like trying to stockpile i was like in my head i was like how many injuries am i watching here you know because a lot of times dudes will walk off and then later that night they'd be like oh man my fucking back is killing me right it's the worst and then you get it diagnosed and there's some sort of a bulging disc or something the problem i had um because most of my issues that that kept me off the field

were like soft tissue injuries which you can't i can't run with a my hamstring won't give but like all the rest of my stuff um my problem became like my pain my tolerance for pain my threshold it became so high that like, I don't even know what, what hurt and what was normal anymore. So like, I'm still kind of dealing with a lot of those aches and pains and stuff now, but it's like, you just push through it because the pain was normal. You just get accustomed to it. Yeah. You just, pain becomes a part of life. Wow. Yeah. Did you always know that like when you were, when you, I'm sure you played in high school and you played in college. Did you always know that like when you were, I'm sure you played in high school and you played in college.

Did you always know that this was eventually going to lead to like a point where your body just wasn't going to be able to do it anymore? I mean. Did you think about that? You say that, right? And people tell you about it, but, you know, they say ignorance is bliss. Like you don't know it actually affects you until it actually affects you and so like you're like one of the worst games I've ever been a part of was we were playing Chicago in 2012 I think and it was raining and so they just running the ball the whole game and the next day I woke up like I'm limping

like walking towards the bathroom like I couldn't it took me about five minutes in my bathrooms like right there so I took like five minutes. I was like literally like limping. My body was just beat up. Most of the painkillers were all from the game and like when you're going through it you don't really realize it but like towards the end of my career that's kind of why I decided to walk away because I was like is it worth it anymore? You know what I'm saying? I'm relatively healthy. I could walk. know um who knows what i've done to my brain you know that that the onset of that comes on years later but uh after a while it was just it just stopped being worth it to me anymore plus i kind of just fell out of love

with it that's a weird place to be right yeah now when you when you're saying like you don't know what's going on with your brain do you notice anything now uh not nothing that i haven't no i mean i've definitely had concussions before and and earlier on like the ct stuff kind of um that was like like the probably 2013-14 is when the science really started and the the news media uh really started talking about it um but growing up like it was kind of just called a dinger. Like, you just got dunked, you know what I'm saying? You got dinged. And no one worried about the consequences.

No, so we didn't really know. And so it was just part of it. I've definitely had concussions before where you, like, not really sure where you are, but, like, somehow your subconscious knows what to do when you play. Wow. Yeah, it's weird, man. So you're out of it because you got cracked,

and you're just kind of going through the game anyway keep playing do you remember it afterwards uh parts parts that's that happens a lot to fighters like they'll get dropped in the first round and then they'll be on their corner in the like the fourth round like headed into the fifth and they'll think it's the second round too and then the coach will go hey man you fought three more rounds than you think you did they're like what yeah it's crazy this is the second round right like no it's the second round. And then the coach will go, hey, man, you fought three more rounds than you think you did. They're like, what? Yeah. It's crazy. This is the second round, right?

No, this is the last round. What the fuck are you talking about? And it's amazing to me that people are able to function on such a high level, not really conscious of what's going on. That's got to be your training, right? Yes. That's all training is, is you're training your body to become second nature. So now when you were in high school and you were in college, was there any talk at all about brain damage? Was there any talk about CTE or the...

Not really. Nobody worried about it? No, it was just not... It wasn't... The science wasn't complete. I'm pretty sure there were neuroscientists saying, like, your brain damage is real. But the science wasn't as definitive as it is now right but no one connected it the way they did with boxing uh not to us not to me um you know

like like now people are are worrisome about putting their kids in youth leagues and stuff like that and they're even talking about not letting youth leagues happen i have tackle football at all which i'm an advocate for i don. I don't think there's no point for it. Like my kids, my sons are not going to play football. No? No. Wow, that's crazy. I beat up my body so they can have a free ride or whatever they want to do, man.

What if they want to play football? I'm going to say sit down, man. You got to trust for it, man. Relax. Yeah, but what if they want to be their own man, you know? I'm not going to physically stop him. I mean, I probably could, but I would seriously sit him down and let him know the consequences, show him people, and show him the risk factors involved.

Like, it is not worth it. I know you want to and i mean as much as as a son wants to walk in his father's shoes uh it's just not worth it man right it's really not and you're probably not going to be as good that's just how what if your kid wanted to fight like a bot like box yeah box or kickbox or i mean i wouldn't advocate that either you wouldn't let them do that i'm pushing them to go towards education. I want them to be scientists. If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't ever play football.

Really? Yeah, I'd be a scientist. You would start from the beginning. If you could go back to college, knowing what you know now, wow. Not even close. And just because of the damage to your body? Well, that and so it's a weird thing so like you're you're in your prime physically as a man but you're you're in your infancy mentally right right and so like i'm just now figuring out who i am and what kind of man i want to be and and you're you're while

you're in your prime that's when you're in the public eye so you have to deal with all of that on top of figure so you're figuring out who you are uh in a fishbowl and it's it's a really weird really weird thing so i don't even want to deal like like any kind of record recognition or any kind of um fame or whatever people want to call it like i i don't i don't like it i don't want it um i feel like the the best to me, the best society would be artists and scientists. That would be an ideal society to me. Wow, that's an interesting take on things, considering how successful you've been playing football. I mean, playing football, obviously, was very financially rewarding to you.

It made you famous. For sure. I mean, if just some regular dude went on Twitter and started talking about I could take a wolf one-on-one, nobody would give a fuck. Nobody would care. They'd be like, shut up, stupid.

I doubt anybody cares anyway, but it's just... All people care, man. Fucking my Twitter exploded when I said you were coming on. They're like, you better school him. Tell him about wolves, man.

You better tell him about wolves, man. My uncle shot a wolf, man. It was going to kill his whole family. I don't know, man. It uncle shot a wolf, man. He was going to kill his whole family. I don't know, man. Um, it's, it's a, it's a weird, um, like once you get to that, to that financial summit that, um, everybody strives for that American dream, you realize that there is no there.

And if you ain't happy with $10, you're not going to be happy with a million. It's just not going to happen. Um, now granted, there are some things that you need you need monetary uh uh value in the society to to a certain extent i think they did a study it's like after 75 000 a year money can't buy happiness like right so everything else out there is kind of it's just luxury and and really if you put in perspective i think like 35 percent i mean if you if you if you make 35000 a year you're in the top 1% of wealth in the world yeah something like that so it's all about

perspective man and once once once it took me to get to that financial summit to understand that unfortunately but the weird thing about it is once you tell people that and you're on top of this financial summit really easy for you to say I'm like alright of course yeah yeah easy for you to say. I'm like, all right. Of course. Yeah. Easy for you to say. I know a lot of miserable millionaires, man. I do too. It's really interesting that you said that growing up and figuring out who you are while you're in a fishbowl.

Yeah. And you're also involved in not just in a fishbowl. You're involved in this competitive fishbowl where your value is being judged by your ability to cover distance and speed by your ability to score points or stop people from scoring points that's kind of crazy too it's um football is not a place for uh like thinkers and i'm not i'm not saying that i'm the only person that has these thoughts but it's like if you if you like question authority and you're questioning a lot of things, like, football's not the place for you because if you're inquisitive at all, it's kind of, it comes off as arrogant and it comes off as, like, disruptive.

And I never was. I was always just, like, why do we do things this way? Like, why, like, especially, like, in college, right? So, like, football has this like weird um relationship with coach to player that like you can talk to other men like you can treat them like shit so the coach can the coach can yell at the player you piece of shit you're not doing this you know right but if i use if you was uh working at home depot and your boss comes like you piece of shit you didn't stock that box. It would be like you'd be calling HR.

You know what I'm saying? But it's just a weird, for some reason in that arena, it's okay. And I was like, listen, man, if you want me to do something, I used to tell my coach, don't yell at me. There's no reason for you to yell at me because one-on-one, you know what I mean? Fuck you up easier than a wolf. Yeah, man. It didn't make any sense to me. Why on this field is it okay? But as soon as we walk off this field, you wouldn't any sense to me like why why on this field is it okay but as soon as we

walk up this field you won't you wouldn't you wouldn't dare yell at me like that why is that okay and plus you're a hothead coming out of high school um i mean i was at least and a lot of us are because you i mean you just you should come from those those neighborhoods where do you think that's just because they have to control these big groups of super athletes so they have to kind of posture and like yelling them like you would yell at like a guard dog or something like that it's cattle right so you just have to you just have to it was it's that same old mechanism of fear right so people people rule by fear so you rule with the biggest stick so that's that's that's how that's how humans have done it for for centuries i mean that's just how they they get into your

head about i hold this leverage over you i have fear i have your scholarship i mean this is how they they get into your head about i hold this leverage of you i have fear i have your scholarship i have this i have this if you don't do what i say all that gets taken away and and it works but for me it didn't i was like i don't i'm i'm but but in because of that you're you're labeled as like a trouble yeah like that's part of the reason why i didn't get drafted i found out like The coaches said that I was I wasn't coachable I was like

Not that I wasn't coachable man I just didn't like getting Y'all know that Wow That's bizarre Yeah I've seen that before I've seen coaches Screaming at athletes

That could kill them And you don't see that In other sports You definitely don't see that In MMA Cause yeah Well in MMA also Like the coach relationship

with the fighter is like a father-son relationship in a lot of ways like they're like brothers or the very least family you know that's like an intense bond between i'm not saying every coach is like that but it's a it's a it's definitely a culture yeah it's definitely a culture do you think that's changing like with this whole kaepernick thing and people are sort of aware of people being more socially conscious, more aware of people like using their fame for a platform to voice their opinions on certain social issues. Is that changing? I think it has to because, well, social media is just changing everything. It's changing the way we think.

It's changing the way situations are monitored because it's like there's a camera with you everywhere. But I think in a bigger sense, athletes in general are becoming more outspoken. Athletes are becoming more well-versed. They're really understanding their brand power. more well-versed um they're really understanding their brand power and with that uh you you have to change the way things have been things have been done in the past like like uh simple stuff like training camp right training camp used to be two days full pads and you're hitting all the time you can't do that anymore because the athletes are getting bigger stronger and faster so if you want your cattle to last longer you got to take care of them when you're practicing.

Cattle, just talk like that. It's so disturbing. It's the truth, though, man. I know it is. I know it is. That's why it's disturbing. We get compensated heavily in the NFL. The NCAA is just a whole other conversation.

Those crooks don't pay their employees. But as far as the NFL, you get compensated. And you know the risks. For the most part, you know the risks going into the NFL. Like I chose to do this at a young age.

I'm glad you just said that. Those crooks don't pay their employees because that is a dark and dirty fucking business. College sports. I hate it. I hate it.

I hate it and I don't have anything to do with it but I watch it and I'm like, that's cool. When you find out how much those fucking schools

get from all those people in order to make sure that their team is successful, because the alma maters want to, yay, we fucking won again. And they get billions of dollars. They're a fucking huge, huge business. And the athletes don't get paid anything. Nah, man.

Many times I've told my side of that story, man. I'm not a fan of the NCAA at all. I'm not a fan either. I think it's stealing. I think they're stealing from those athletes. And you're ruining their careers, most likely. If you do four hard years of college football, what are the odds you're going to get out of that

without a permanent injury? I had, I think, three or four of my surgeries came from college. It's tough. And you're playing for free. And my buddy... But hey, you get an education. See, that's the. And you're playing for free. Mm-hmm. And my buddy. But hey, you get an education. See, that's the thing that kills me, man, is when people say that. Yeah.

They always like to say that. I hate that. So when I first went to school, I wanted to study astronomy. Like, that was what I wanted to study. So I went to my academic advisor, and I was like, okay, this is what I want to do. Like, it took me like a year to figure out, okay, this is what I want to do. I was in love with the stars and the clouds. I just wanted to know about it. And as soon as I said it, he's like, oh, you can't do that to do. Like, it took me like a year to figure out, okay, this is what I want to do. I was in love with the stars and the clouds. I just wanted to know about it.

And as soon as I said it, they're like, oh, you can't do that. I was like, why? Because those classes conflict with the practice schedules and the meeting schedules. And I was like, well, shit. And so I had to wait another year in order to find what I wanted to do and ended up settling for philosophy, which was a cool major. But it wasn't – it didn't – i feel like if i would have got influenced by by astronomy early on then it would have changed my trajectory it would have changed the way i

thought about a lot or i'd arrive to the conclusions that i'm at now a lot sooner yeah the the whole you're getting an education thing what are you getting a real education hell no hell no like no it's about it's about a month, maybe a month or three weeks after the season, before you go into spring ball, which is like you're up at 5 in the morning, lifting, running, yada, yada, yada. But there's like a three-week period where they leave you alone and you're just like a regular student. And I did not know what to do with my time.

I'm like, how are these people not acing their classes? Like, I didn't understand, like, how. I mean, granted, they were taking tougher courses. But it's just like you have so much time. I didn't know what to do with my time. Whereas before, I'm up early in the morning, lifting weights, running, then going to class, then after class, get a little lunch, then go to another class, then you come back and you're in meetings.

And after meetings, you go to practice. And after practice, you find some kind of energy to study. Yeah, well, give me a rundown. So what time of morning would you get up? Like when you're in school. Usually I had some of the – most of my class was 8 o'clock class. So 8 a.m., you're up. No, I was up before that.

So – and depending on the day, so you have to get a workout in. Depending on – every strength coach has a different protocol, so you have to lift at least three times a week, two to three times a week. And so you either lift before class or before practice or after practice. So you have to find your time. After practice has got to be hard, right? Yeah, really then you're just kind of going through the motions. But do you want to do it before practice because then you might be tired

when you go into practice you might not perform up to the best of your abilities uh i i was i was not the best at that i used to get in trouble a lot because i was like dog there's no way you guys can expect me to do all of this shit i used to get in trouble a lot for skipping weights and i wasn't big on weights anyway I was like I didn't see because we had a lot of Olympic weight lifting and that's kind of changing too we had a lot of deadlifts and squats and I was never a fan of that stuff

this is not conducive to being successful what do you think is plyos plyos like yoga if we had yoga I'd have been there every time because it's like you're getting loose. You're any kind of, being limber is more important

than being strong in my opinion, especially in my position, in my position. I mean, there are some positions like D lineman and offensive lineman where you got to, you got to push.

But I'm not one of those, I wasn't one of those positions being a running back. It's like DBs, receivers, like stay limber, stay hydrated with good nutrition. So for you, it's more important to be flexible and to be able to move your body in like very fluid ways.

So to be able to avoid takedowns, to be able to avoid somebody trying to tackle you, you're more pliable is better. In my opinion, yeah. That's interesting. That's an interesting way of looking at it. So they would force you to do a certain amount of lifts? Yeah, you got to do a certain amount of lifts, and then you got to go to class, and you got to stay up. And then when you're doing these lifts, are they supervised,

or do you have to do them on your own? Yeah, you have coaches in there. That's another thing that bothered me, too. I was like a rebel, man, because it's like they would follow you around the weight room, right, because some guys liked to try to jerk the system. And I'm like, this is what I want to do with my life. Like, I'm not going to cheat myself. Like, stop following me around.

Right. It was long. Yeah, it was, like, weird. And then they have class checkers that follow you, make sure you go to class. Class checkers? Yeah, and it's just like, bro, like, I just feel like a little kid, man. Like, get out of my face. And so, like, after a while, that just wore on me, and, like, the whole system wore on me.

And on top of that, like, I'm hungry. You know what I'm saying? You don't get the food. I don't know if people are going to get on me again. People from Tennessee hate me, bro. It's weird. People from Tennessee hate you? Why?

I went there. And for some reason, anytime I say anything about the NCAA, they think I'm talking about Tennessee itself. It's weird. They're like, fuck you, man. Like, I still have people, like to this day matter of fact yesterday and my mentions talking about um like fumbles i had from like 10 years ago it's weird man people are awkward man well people love to bring up things that you've done wrong

but i was like 18 years old they love it they love it it's funny man it is funny what are you gonna do so you would get up in the morning and you would have to figure out when you're, so would you schedule your lifts in? It's not necessarily a schedule. It's more like a, whatever suits your schedule the best. So if you have an 8 o'clock class, you'd get up. You'd either go before class or whenever your break is during. And how many classes are you doing a day?

It's probably like two or three. And were you supposed to keep up a certain GPA? Yeah, 2.5. So you have to keep up a 2.5. What is that, like a C average or something? A C average. So you would, you go to your class, you do whatever you gotta do, and then how many times a day are you

practicing? Once a day. Once a day. But then you have meetings. Meetings are like an hour, 30. And the meetings are essentially like going over strategy. Yeah, you get your playbook, your game plan, watch film on the other team or yourself. Is it hard to motivate yourself watching all that shit? Yeah, after a while. For me, because my quarterbacks are different, they don't have to exert as much physical energy as we do.

And they're more on mental games. So they have to know the defensive games that the defensive coordinator is playing, right? So what cover is there and what the safeties are doing. They have to know all that. As a running back, you kind of have to know, but not as much. You kind of just have to know where the blitzes are coming from. I don't want to bore you with the intricacy. But after a while, I didn't need to watch much film in order for me to get my assignment done.

So a lot of the time I'm just sitting there wasting time. A lot of guys feel like that too. Yeah, I would imagine sitting there watching some stupid plays. I always tell my coaches, especially in the league, you could give me my game plan Saturday before the game and I'll execute it. I didn't need – I think a lot of what they do in the NFL is just reinforcement. It's just over and over, and it's repetition.

It's repetition. And after a while, especially if you're a veteran, like you don't need – that's why Brett Favre, like when he was deciding on whether to come back or not, he was like, I would love to, but all that other shit. I don't like doing all the meetings and that. That's what kept him back? Yeah, man. Really?

He just gets old. He gets super old, man. If you know what you're doing and you're well-versed in your craft, you don't need half of that shit. And this is terrible for the younger cats that are listening to this. Yeah, well. Y'all need it, man. Well, there's something about a guy like Brett Favre, too, with all that fucking gray hair, all grizzled, old veteran. He's a goat, man. Still wanting to old veteran. He's a GOAT, man.

Still wanting to do it. He's a GOAT, man. Crazy, right? He's a GOAT, man. It's just crazy that he still wanted to do it. I mean, how many times has that guy been dinged? That's what I'm saying. I don't get hit a lot, though.

Get hit enough. Yeah, I mean. You know, Jim McMahon's all fucked up now. I mean, most ex-players are. Yeah. Most ex-players are. Yeah. Most ex-players are. I was reading that Sports Illustrated article about McMahon, and he did an interview on one of those sports radio stations.

I was listening to it. It was disturbing. He was talking about he'll be somewhere, and he just totally forgot how he got there, where he's going, why do I have my keys in my hand, where am I going. Yeah. I mean, it's part of the unfortunate part of the process. So they would follow you around.

They'd make sure you go to classes, like what some dude with a clipboard. Yeah. Mr. Foster? Some GA. Have you gone to your math class today? They wouldn't say anything, though, right? So they wouldn't say anything. So, like, they would send them, and they would check and see if you're in there.

And if you're not in there, they would report back to the coach. Like, oh, he missed so-and-so, and then you got to go up to the coach's office like why weren't you i'm like the crazy shit is in college that's where you kind of learn how to time management as that's where you learn your time management as an adult right so they don't even allow you to become an adult how most adults become adult in that college system so like some teachers some professors will give you a syllabus and say, here's, here's, here's going to be the work for you and show up when you want to show up,

but you're responsible for your own information at the end of the day. For the most part, we don't even get that, uh, that, that luxury. You have to go every single day, every,

every, every class. And I'm like, not even students aren't even required. Why am I required? Yeah. You could study at home if you wanted to, and maybe even learn more.

And that was really like the beginning of like online, like syllabus is online stuff. So like I'm not sure if maybe colleges have adjusted that to that nowadays. But from when I was going, it was mandated you had to go to every class. Well, it seems like you're preparing for a career in professional sports, but you're also pretending that you're getting like a real education, like a regular person. Yeah. But it is kind of pretending because there's no way you could be preparing for like high level college athletics and have the same time to devote to your

studies. Nah, you can't. And that's why I like, that's why I said I would, I would do it again. If I, if I had to do it again,

I would do something else. You just wouldn't go football at all? Mm-mm. Because the shit that keeps me up at night now, it's not football. And that's how I knew it was time to get out. I'm sitting on the sidelines and I'm thinking about other shit. Like what kind of shit? Physics.

Physics? That shit keeps me up at night, man. It keeps me up at night. What kind of physics? Theoretical physics. So what got me into it was relativity. That's what hooked me in. Like Einstein?

Yeah. E equals MC squared, that kind of shit? Uh-huh. What got into it? You just fascinated by the concept of it? It's, I don't know how anybody isn't, man. Like, the whole story, really, so relativity brought me in. How it happened was, one day I was actually high, man.

So I was smoking weed. Crazy. Yeah. And it kind of hit me. Because you hear about what Einstein did, but you don't really understand it. Because, I mean, unless it sparks your interest, right? And so I was just sitting there watching the documentary. And he proved how light bends, right?

So gravity bends light. And it just kind of hit me.? So light, gravity, gravity bends light. And it just kind of hit me. I was like, that shit is crazy. So I just started digging more and more and more. And then you research the beginnings of when we started researching light in the first place, like Newton figured out that light breaks. And it's just the whole entire science history of that aspect of light gravity gravity, it just blew me away and I just got hooked. Neil deGrasse Tyson was here two weeks ago and he fucked my head up. My head has been broken ever since.

He said that if you go 1G, like out into space, like say if you were in a rocket, it shoots 1G out into space. If it continues to go at 1G with that same force because there's no air in space, the momentum of that, because most of the time what they do, the rocket's cut off and then you just move forward on the momentum because you're in a vacuum. You're just flying through space. But if you continue to propel at 1G, you will reach just under the speed of light. So if you're going to somewhere that's five light years away, it would take one year more.

So instead of five years, it would take you six years. So if it's 10 light years away, it'll take you 11 years. So it's a year under the speed of light. I was like, what in the fuck? I didn't know that either. Can you imagine how fast that is? Yeah, that's crazy. Fucking light.

That's crazy. Think of how fast light moves. And you can get that fast, almost as fast as speed of light by just going 1g i didn't know that that's been fucking with me yeah for two weeks i've been just i'll sometimes get up in the morning and i'll just try to try to think of how fast that is it's crazy like if that you were watching someone whiz by you you wouldn't even be able to you wouldn't be able to see it yeah it would be too fast for you to see.

And that's a person in a tube. All right. And then you start digging into the relativity about that. Yeah. He's going to be aging slower than you. Yes. Because he's moving faster. That's really crazy. So that shit, shit like that keeps me up at night, man.

And so I wish, I'm to the point now where I've done enough reading about it. And unless I start learning the math of it like i've reached my limit of of what to know about physics are you thinking about doing that yeah i'm probably gonna get back in school wow yeah what if you become like some fucking cern scientist that'd be dope man go down there and work on a large hadron collider or some shit to me that's more um i mean i guess any any kind of uh goal that you set as a seven-year-old and obtain is you should be super proud of but like my conscience tells me is like you haven't given anything to the society and that's that's the way my brain thinks and so it's like unless i do

something like that like i just i just feel like i've been bumping around on how old are you now 30 well you still got plenty of room yeah for sure i sure. I'll be coming late in the game, but yeah. Yeah, but you're coming in the game with a lot of life experience, like at an intense level that most people just could never even comprehend. That's true. You know, I mean, there's got to be some sort of enhanced perspective from playing football at the highest level in the world. I mean, there's got to be something to that.

You're playing in the NFL. Just the amount of intensity and just the problem-solving that you're having to deal with on the field and just the overcoming the physical injuries, the mental strength that you have to have to deal with the kind of pain that you've had to experience. That alone, all that stuff, I mean, all that stuff, it might not seem like it applies,

but I feel like everything applies. I think everything, every book you read, every relationship you're in, every friendship you have, every thing that you see that changes the way you look at life, all those things sort of add layers to your existence. I appreciate the pep talk, man. Yeah, dude, fuck that. Get back in there. It would be crazy if you became some crazy huge physicist.

That's a goal of mine, man, is to definitely get a bachelor's. Well, it's completely possible. Oh, for sure. Bachelor's is possible, and PhD is possible, too, if you really want to work towards it. Yeah, it's a long, egregious process, but I think I'm up for it, man. I just want to do a little more relaxing because I just retired in November. And what caused you to retire? Like physically, are you okay?

Yeah, I'm okay physically. It was just a little bit of both. So I had a couple of nagging injuries, and also so I'm sitting on the sidelines and I'm just not into it. I remember vividly thinking, like, I don't care at all who wins this game. Like, I just don't care, man. That's so crazy. And so, like, that's why I love Adam Gates. He's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

And the whole organization in Miami, like, they let me bow our gracefully. They respected what I did in the NFL. And they were like, listen, like, you know, do it how you want to do it. And we're not going to make it hard for you. Because some NFL organizations could be a dick about it. They could take money from you. They could do all kinds of shit. But they were really good about the process.

And I guess it's the way I explained it to them was like, man, I feel like they had a good team, and I felt like if I'm sitting here just holding on for a check, I'm wasting your time and you're wasting my time. And so there's no reason for me to be here anymore because my heart just isn't in it anymore. I appreciate what the game did for myself, for my family, and it's kept me driven for 30 years, man, but it was just time to go.

That's a very balanced perspective. For a lot of people, the big paychecks are hard to walk away from. Of course. Of course. But you had the point of view you have enough perspective enough objective perspective to look outside of it and go this is not it's not where i want to be yeah and uh it was it was a weird uh parting too because i that's all i've known since i was seven years old every every fall like really before and before and even before that getting ready for

football it's just all i've known. It's been my life. And I just got to the point where, man, it's just a whole big world out there. And I just need to feed off that. That's very confident of you, too. That's what's really powerful about that is that you realize that you're kind of starting from scratch. Obviously not because you're financially successful and you're famous. You got some stuff going on. But you're entering into a completely different world now as far as the potential of your future.

Right. I've always been a humble cat, man. I never thought that I was any bigger or better. None of that shit ever mattered to me because I would be in the middle of a of a game man and think like this is weird people just watching us play a game like this shit is so weird like 100 000 people i'm like this is so awkward to me but i've always kept that perspective like i didn't think anything of it because i didn't think anything of it it was just a game at the end of the day and so um i don't know man the future The future is wide open now. And like I said, I'm extremely appreciative of everything that the game has brought me to. Now, when you were in college, the big thing in college football is always like that players are getting paid off.

They're getting money. You know, they're getting like any of that shit ever happened to you? Yeah. Mm hmm. Did any of that shit ever happen with you? Mm-hmm. Yeah? Mm-hmm.

I caused a big stir a while back because I admitted that, and this is a weird thing too, is like, so players were mad at me for saying it. And I was like, why would you say that? You're fucking it up for the younger cats. And I'm just like, once y'all realize that these rules that the NCAA made are stupid and all it takes is for everybody to stand up and say this is stupid like they'll go away they're their own separate entity nobody answers like they don't answer to anybody they're their own they're just the NCAA and they have contracts with uh the television stations and so that's what's that's what's keeping them in play

millions of dollars billions so if so if if if the athletes finally wake up and say like my dad had a great idea so say all the top recruits stop going to the big schools right so they start start going to places like grambling or whatever some some of the smaller schools right that would take away the NCAA's leverage and then you can start paying the players and I'm not saying that they should get a salary like the NFL. I don't know. Those semantics can be worked out when the time comes. All I'm saying is the NCAA, they're holding everybody hostage by a system that was put in place in the, what, 1930s or 20s or something like that?

When the big business of college football wasn't even close to what it is now right yeah so the sponsor cips and all that stuff it wasn't even near what it is now you have the tostitos fiesta bowl you have the nokia sugar bowl like these are companies that are paying millions of dollars in order to have them play under that under that guise well it seems to me like that what college is is almost like a farm team it's a farm team they don't want to call it that yeah but you're you're pretending that these are students and they're kind of students i mean that you make them sit in class and you make them get a c there are there are cats that play that are gonna go pro in something other than sports that's for

sure do you think that it would be okay if they did it the way they're doing it now but they pay the athletes and they make school an option that that to me we've discussed a lot of that man and um i don't i don't see a problem with that and i'll tell you why and i also think you should be able to get a degree in football because there are so many jobs that the nfl has right you have commentators you have gms you have staff that work all throughout the nfl offices why can't you major in football that's a great idea that's great it's a business it's a business but for some reason we're treating it like it's not a business and we contain as soon as we wake up and say this is a business yeah i think progression will happen and it always does but it there's they're just holding on to this circular reasoning of no they're

amateur athletes well why are they amateur athletes because we don't pay them why don't we pay them because they're amateur athletes like man it's ridiculous yeah and i feel like if you did get a degree in football then your time could be spent learning physiology strength and conditioning protocols yeah because i mean it took me until i didn't really understand nutrition until i got out of college honestly really yeah i didn't really understand nutrition until I got out of college, honestly. Really? Yeah, I didn't really understand it. There was a nutritionist there, but it wasn't as detailed as it is now. Like what were they telling you?

I didn't care. That was the thing. I didn't care. I was drinking a lot and I was eating a lot of Wendy's, right? Because when you're young, when you're 19 years old, it don't affect your body. You can put whatever in your body, really. But then when you start getting to where this is your job and you can start filling those burgers on you the next day, it was like, hold on. Maybe I need to look into this.

So I looked into it independently. And that's when I didn't understand what nutrition did for the body. I really didn't understand. But you can do nutrition, physiology, everything that you're interested in and that is helpful to your craft. Do you think when you're young that it doesn't affect your body or do you think you're not tuned in enough to your body to realize it's affecting you? I think a little bit of both, man. A little bit of both? You have to watch what you eat as you get older, that's for sure. And when I really started noticing, it was like 23, 24, when I was like,

those heavy weekends where i'm eating whatever i want and getting drunk are they're they're they're fucking with me so i i have to really start looking at what is good to put in my body and what is not you kind of know just based off the pyramid and you growing up hearing what's good and what's bad um but once you once you understand and break down the the carbs and and all of this stuff that you're putting in your body, it takes your game to the next level, and it did that to me. So what kind of advice did they give you in college as far as nutrition? What did they tell you to eat?

I mean, it's a lot of the same stuff. A lot of grilled, make sure nothing fried. You don't want to load up on carbs. Certain kind of carbs aren't as good for you. Like some carbs are really good, like sweet potatoes are really good. So they were giving me the good information. I wasn't ready to receive the information, so I can't fault them. But once you got out of college, then you started really paying attention to it.

Yeah. And what did you follow after that? What did you follow after that? The same model that, so it was like the grill stuff, stuff like that. And then I have such an addictive personality, I started doing a lot. So I started getting into being a vegan, right, and plant-based. And so it led me to there, like researching uh, researching, uh, food and nutrition. Um, that lifestyle is not for me.

Uh, I tried it for about six, seven months, but, um, yeah, man, I mean, I tried the best I could to eat as healthy as I could, but. What happened with you with, uh, trying vegan? Um, it was really good, man. I met a lot of good people. Vegans come out of the woodworks to show the support. They also put you in the guillotine when you leave, though. Traitor. Yeah, they get mad.

Yeah, it's super, man. But, you know, I kind of support the lifestyle, man. Plant-based. You could be a vegan and drink Coke and eat chips all day. Right. But, like, plant-based lifestyle, I a vegan and drink coke and eat chips all day right but like plant-based uh lifestyle i feel like it's really healthy and it really i felt really good while i was eating like that um but for me i got tired of of constantly worrying about what i was gonna put

in my body like so every meal was a prep i had to do it every single and and everything in our in our lives is like uh uh it's a. And our celebration is usually centered around food and meat. So I got tired of doing that. So I was like, hey, if I die two years earlier. Do you really think you're going to, though? Do you think it's bad for you to eat meat? No, in moderation. I think if you just load up on a lot of meat, it can be unhealthy.

Did you, when you were um eating a vegan diet did you notice performance benefits uh it's all anecdotal i don't have any you know but uh i felt like i recovered a little faster um but again it's all anecdotal and it could have been all in my head i think just eating a lot of vegetables will do that for you for sure i mean whether or not you eat meat at all or fish or anything i just think it's so beneficial to eat a lot of vegetables will do that for you for sure. I mean, whether or not you eat meat at all or fish or anything, I just think it's so beneficial to eat a lot of vegetables. 100%. And one thing I know it did for sure was it cleansed me. Like your bowel movements.

Oh, yeah. Be cool. Bro, it just slides out. Yeah. And it's not to get too grotesque, man. Too late. But it's important, man. We all do it.

But you notice a difference. And you really understand what a healthy bowel movement is and what a not healthy movement is. Oh, yeah, man. If you're just eating cheeseburgers and stuff and you're not getting a lot of vegetables and a lot of fiber. Yeah. People don't even know. Yeah. It's a different.

It's a different. Especially if you blend it. If you blend like kale shakes. Right, right. It just lubes the whole process up. Woo't big on the uh on the blender man i'm big on it because i can eat way more than i would ever in a salad right like if uh i there's only so much you can eat in a salad but if i blend that shit up and break it down to 24 ounces of like semi-liquid that's a lot of weight of vegetables and it just seems to me that just massive boost of nutrients

that enter into your bloodstream and your digestive tract. 100%. I'm just not as good with the patients. Yeah, no, I understand. What about protein? When you were being a vegan, what did you, did you use like pea protein or hemp protein? Like what kind of protein?

You had to stay away from hemp because they test for weed. They said sometimes. I don't want to take the chance. Wow. I'm not well versed on what is and what is not. We'll get you some on it shit that doesn't test positive at all. I'm done, so I can do whatever I want. But I don't know why they would say that because most,

if you get good hemp, well, I guess that's the thing is good. So they said hemp, they said flax, I guess that's the thing is good. That's what they said. They said hemp, they said flax seeds can, um. Can make you test positive? Yeah. Well, you know, poppy seeds can make you test positive for heroin. Yeah, poppy seeds too. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. Like people have tested positive on those random drug tests they give people at their jobs. Right. From having a poppy seed bagel. Yeah, that's what they do. Like, Bobby, you're shooting heroin? Yeah. No, I just like lox.

Right. Me and a fucking bagel sandwich That shit's stupid anyway Like in the NFL Like they need to Let Let guys use Weed for

For pain Oh for sure It's ridiculous Well definitely CBD's For sure Cause it's not even Psychoactive CBD's just oil

That comes from Okay Yeah Comes from hemp plant That's not psychoactive. It's really good for you, too. Super good for inflammation, joint pain, things along those lines. Matter of fact, when I had my... Actually, we got some right here.

Oh, is it right here? That's what it is. Yeah, this is Charlotte's Web. This is actually one of my sponsors now. They make hemp oil. Yeah, I didn't mean to plug it. I'm going to do it. It's actually on this podcast. I have to do a sponsor about it but the stuff is great and you just take it and it drops

it's good for you no negative effects when i had my back surgery in um 2014 or 13 and uh what did you have done l5s1 i had a it's the sect to me that's sick to me yeah um they uh they prescribed percocet right and percocet i used to i used to take them for everything else they used to make me like gag and throw up every single time i took them and so really any painkiller that was heavily would heavily sedate you i would always like throw up and they they told me that if you like have, have a gag reflex too much, I could have re-slip my disc. Really? Mm-hmm. So for, like, two days, I was, like, in pain after the surgery.

And my dad was like, man, go get some weed. Or I'm going to go get you some weed. I was like, Word Pop? He was like, yeah, man. So he went to the—luckily, I was in L.A. I got it in L.A. And they had a dispensary and so uh got some and uh it helped immediately and i was like there's no way that

this shouldn't be okay it should totally be legal yeah it's we're being we're being fucked you know i mean slowly but surely it's starting to become legal recreationally it's legal now in california recreationally but the federal government now in California recreationally. But the federal government is still resisting it because of the influence of the pharmaceutical companies and also a bunch of other people like the prison guard unions. They don't want it to be legal because they would have less people to arrest. It's kind of fucked up. Yeah, the prison industrial complex.

It's scary shit. It's a real thing, man. They're making money off people being in cages. It's like people are human batteries and you get money off of them. The Matrix. It's a real thing, man. They're making money off people being in cages. It's like people are human batteries. Yeah. And you get money off of them. The Matrix. It is The Matrix.

It really is. It's like a very low-level version of The Matrix, but it's terrifying. That logic with all the science that's in place about what's dangerous and what's not. They're prescribing Percocets. They're like, here, fella, take these. Makes no sense. You young strapping buck. Why don't you take some shit that might get you hooked? They have this waiver we have to sign.

So there's this painkiller called Toradol in the NFL. Yeah, it's awful. But I took it a lot. They prescribed that shit to my dog. Really? Yeah. Jesus Christ. My dog got bit.

So for Toradol, we have to sign this waiver that says you're kind of just giving up. We're not responsible for it. Oh, jeez. But they'll let us take that, but they won't let us smoke weed. We have to sign this waiver that says you're kind of just giving up your – we're not responsible for it, right? Oh, jeez. But, like, they'll let us take that, but they won't let us smoke weed. And they're banning dudes that smoke weed and they're suspending dudes that smoke weed. Ricky Williams, right? He retired because of that. Even just – I think his name is Josh Gordon.

He played receiver for the Browns. He's one of the best young receivers I've seen in a long time, but they banned him for a year because he tested positive like two or three times. That's so nice. And it's like you're throwing away – I mean I mean, granted, he needs to be smarter, but you're throwing away an entire man's career because of weed. It's not crack. It's not cocaine.

You know what I'm saying? It's weed, man. But they're kind of trying to send a message to the youth to stay away from the illegal drugs. But it's Reagan all over again. You're trying to rule off of fear. It's fear, man. It's not based on reality.

The reality is if you were to legalize drugs, period, you can regulate it. And that way you can do it in a controlled environment. And that way you don't have all of this. I mean, that's what they did with the prohibition of alcohol. Right. Legalize it. Well, that's also what they're doing right now with opiate pills. I mean, Oxycontins are not illegal.

They can be prescribed. You just have to have a doctor that prescribes it. It's ridiculous. It is pretty crazy. Well, it's really crazy when people realize that marijuana helps pain relief as much, if not better than all that stuff. And it doesn't have any of the addictive properties. And if you do, there have been people that have said that it's addictive.

And there's some studies that point to that in certain individuals. But I would state that those people are probably addicted to fucking everything i couldn't i just don't call it physically i don't get how marijuana is addictive it just doesn't make any sense i've smoked pot every day for years and then i'll take like a month off and nothing yeah not an ache not a pain not a not a no shakes no nothing just you just don't have it yeah It's like, drink orange juice, then don't drink orange juice. There's really nothing there. Nothing happens. I don't get it, man.

I'm not like a heavy smoker like that, but I'm like a, all right, on a Saturday night when I ain't going nowhere, I'm going to set up my pipe in my sack, and I'm going to watch a great movie. Why not? And fall asleep yeah what the fuck is wrong with that i don't get it man and meanwhile you can get percocets all right or get drunk as hell and ruin your liver yeah yeah i got i had a nose operation they've got my deviated septum fixed and this doctor's bad i heard too nah it's nothing they told me it was bad it's

people fucking complain about everything i remember before i got tattooed people like oh my god tattoos are so painful like and the first tattoo i was like that's it that's the shit that everybody's complaining about man that shit hurts well i always wonder right not not saying like you know it's not playing tough guy but i really wonder what pain feels like to other people like i assume right that i know what your pain feels like to other people. I assume that I know what your pain is like. But I don't know if that's true because why do I like certain foods and other people think it tastes like shit? Something's got to be different. It bothers me too.

Yeah, it's got to be different. Like your taste buds, it's not just simple like, oh, I can take it. I think people experience different sensations. It kills me how people don't like spicy food right like I love spicy food and it's a little kick in it just oh yeah and it's like oh why would I want to burn my mouth I'm like why wouldn't you like and maybe I just like a little bit of pain every now and then well it's not it's a it's a kind of a sensation more than it's a pain spice is a pain but sort of no no. No, no, no, it is. But it doesn't hurt. To you?

But it doesn't hurt. Have you ever had a habanero pepper? Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Dude, you know what I have in the morning? I drink bone broth with habanero sauce in it. The fuck? Yeah. Why? It's good. It's good for you. Okay. Bone broth is very good for you. High in college on both. Good and good

for you. It tastes good. Like beef bone broth and I put some habanero sauce in there. Good and good for you. It tastes good. Like beef bone broth. Bone broth. Yeah. And I put some habanero sauce in there. Woo! See, you deep into that nutrition. I couldn't. That's different.

Oh, it's great. I'm telling you. It's like a delicious tea. Like a warm fluid. A liquid fluid. I'm going to sit down and have some bone broth with you one day, man. Dude, you would like it. I'm telling you.

I'm hoping, man. There's a place down the street, actually, that sells it. They sell it? Yeah. California's so crazy. What kind of bones? Chicken's really good. Turkey's good.

And you can taste a different kind of bone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chicken is probably the best tasting bone broth. Jamie agrees. There's a spot in New York I went to called Brodo. It's all broth? Yeah, they had like a grandma's stew, but it tasted like chicken soup, just the water. Yeah. It was just the broth, tasted like chicken soup just the water. Yeah

The broth whatever they're just boiling bones really good. That shit is brand new I've never even heard of people drinking bones. It's pretty recent I mean not really mean people been doing it for a long time But it's pretty recent as a fad around here in particular and there's a place out here I think it's called Sun Life Organics. This is the joint That sells bone broth and they and they'll add a little hot sauce to it. And that's where I got the idea. I was like, ooh, I like it.

And so then I buy bone broth. I buy it in bulk, bring it home. I have like, at any given time, I might have 40 bottles of bone broth in my refrigerator. That's bananas, yo. That shit's crazy. I never even, it hasn't made its way to Texas yet, man. What about bone marrow? Do you ever eat bone marrow?

No, I don't. No? No. Oh, man, bone marrow. I've never had a bone before. No? In any aspect. Well, a lot of fancy restaurants, they sell bone marrow.

And what they're doing is they're taking the femur of the cow, they saw it, and then they slice it down the middle. Peter going crazy right now. And they cook it, bake it in the oven, and there's like this gelatinous fatty substance in the middle that's incredibly nutritious. Especially like these days where people are on these real high-fat, ketogenic-based diets are all the rage.

A lot of people are eating bone marrow. Show them some bone marrow, young Jamie. They don't like that. So you get that, and a lot of times people see that like with a little toast, people like it with toast, but you just take the bone marrow with a fork and scoop it out of that, that the dark stuff in the center there, scoop it out of there with a fork and just slurp it down. I love it, man. If it's on the menu, I fucking order it every time. I got to try this, man. This shit is. What about organ meat? You eat organ meat like from like livers oh actual liver

heart i've never ate it i've never made an organ either man i'm from the inner city man so i'm not that cultured with the uh with the palate man well that's not even i mean when i was a kid my grandmother used to cook that liver yeah it's country stuff from the city so it's like yeah but i think it's one of those things where poor people ate it initially because they didn't want it to go to waste. Like, where wealthy people would eat like the finer cuts of meat, like filet mignon. You go to a restaurant, I'll have the filet, medium rare. But, you know, people would shy away from things like liver and they would think that

that's, but it's real good for you, man. I heard people eating it and you eat the chitlins too? Oh yeah, I'll eat the chitlins. Jesus Christ. Do you ever have menudo? No.

With the tripe in it? Uh-uh. There's a joint that's, I gotta take you to this place, Jamie. There is a legit joint. I will never say the address

because INS will show up and the fucking place will be closed down in a heartbeat. There's not a single person in there eating or working there that's legal. But it is so good. It's so Mexican.

That's menudo. Menudo. Menudo is, they like to have it on Saturday and Sunday. I've heard of it. What is it, though? It's a soup, and it's a soup with a bunch of different jazz in it. But see that stuff in the middle? That's tripe.

That's all cow stomach. That stuff that looks like waffles, see like that? That's the interior of a cow stomach. Jesus Christ. They take that and boil it and chop it up, but damn, it is so delicious.

I know you think, like, I'm not eating that. I'm telling you, man. And it's supposed to be a cure for hangovers. That shit looks gross, man. I'm not judging the taste. I'm saying it looks terrible.

I'm telling you, if you just try it It doesn't look gross Yeah we put the The basil on it Just to make it Pop a little bit I know

They do that right That always drives me crazy When they put like a piece Of celery on your plate Am I supposed to eat That celery What's Garnish

Yeah what's this garnish What is this piece Of parsley there That's hilarious See that might look gross If I never had it But I've had it So many times, it looks amazing. You're experienced with the menudo, man.

First time I had it was in Boulder. There's this joint in Boulder called Papusas. It's crazy because it's in Boulder, Colorado. Like, what kind of Mexican food are they going to have in Boulder, Colorado? They got some Mexicans out there, bro. Legit. They got some Mexicans out there. So I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

So it's just south of new mexico and to me new mexican food is better than like mexican food really because it's it's different it's like it's like smothered in the chili that they have green chilies yeah they have green chili hatch green chili is like real just real famous for um and so it's well see colorado new mexico have this debate over who started it i don't know who fucking started it but it's good as hell what's more prevalent in new mexico i would think right it's like i thought that growing up yeah but like you hear people in colorado like no hat started here and so i was like man you got it whatever i don't know man i don't know but i mean green

chilies and new mexico are syn. That's like one of the things. I thought. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I grew up on. So like when I left, I went to high school in San Diego and I left and I like ordered something with green chili on it. It was not the green chili I was accustomed to. And I was like, what is this?

Like I ordered Mexican food. It was like what I looked at is like Tex-Mex. Yeah. It's not the same. And I was disappointed to say the least. Well, someone needs to talk to Donald Trump before they kick all these Mexicans out. You're going to fuck not the same. And I was disappointed to say the least. Someone needs to talk to Donald Trump before they kick all these Mexicans out. You're going to fuck up the entire... He tripping. It's crazy. He's tripping. But it's scary

because you just give these people... If you give people the green light to start raiding people and catching people when they're dropping their kids off at school, which is some of the stuff that I've been seeing in the news. I don't know how much of it is happening or what's happening but you're making it dangerous for people to get an education you make it dangerous for kids to get educated it's crazy the the shit that gets me man is like

the majority of of like trump supporters are um like christians right and if you look at jesus's main message is like love thy neighbor. And Mexico is our neighbor. Yeah. I don't understand the disdain. Well, I love them if they do the right thing. That's what I'm saying. If they take their paperwork and come over here the right way, the way my granddaddy did. Your granddaddy got on a raft, you piece of shit.

You know, the granddaddy. Anybody came over to Mayflower didn't have any fucking paperwork. It's crazy. But for some reason, like, none of those facts matter to those people. I don't understand that, man. All that turn the other cheek shit. No, that's some faggot shit that Jesus wrote about back in the day before they understood what faggot shit was. People get mad whenever somebody said, how come every time you talk about Trump supporters, you use a shitty southern accent?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because you get upset. Maybe I'm going to keep doing it now. It's hilarious. It's a weird time, man. It's a real weird time. I fucking, you know, I have some weird ideas about nationalism and boundaries and stuff like that because I

think that America is more of an idea than it is a place. I think America as an idea is a great idea. I think it's amazing to have this one place where there's probably more creativity and more innovation in this country and more music and art, more fascinating things happening in this country than almost any other country. I mean, there's great things happening everywhere. Don't get me wrong.

But, I mean, this is a hotbed of creativity and innovation and art. And I think that's what makes me proud to be an American, if I was proud. I'd be proud of all the people that came before, all the people that were here, all the Neil deGrasse Tysons and Jimi Hendrix and all the fucking Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor and all the art and comedy and writing and history and all the science and mathematics and all the great shit that's been accomplished in this one area. It's amazing.

It's not a border. It's not like a line in the sand. To me, it's more like an idea. So to me, the idea has always been about people come here because they want to do better. So you're trying to stop people from doing better. And they're like, well, they got to fill out their paperwork and they got to do it right the way our grandparents did. No, our grandparents didn't do it that way.

It was easy to come over here back when my grandparents came over. My grandparents came over on a boat. They came over from Italy and they just got on a boat. It was fucking easy. They got to Ellis Island, signed here. All right, everybody's good. Go to work. But now, you know, you say you got to make it harder for people to come across, but it's almost impossible.

If you want to immigrate from Mexico, if you're a poor person and you want to immigrate here from Mexico, good fucking luck. Good luck. It is not easy. It's not easy to come here from fucking Canada. I've had friends that have tried to come here from Canada. Yeah. Try to get a green card or try to become a citizen. Holy shit is it hard. It's a massive process.

Like, I have a friend, a good friend of mine, and his daughter met a guy in Colorado, and she came down here, and she's got a new boyfriend. Like, I'll stay with you in Colorado. She can't work, because she's from Canada. Because, you know, I guess they just assume, just assume like oh you're from that patch of dirt you're not allowed to work over in this patch of dirt i don't understand that shit man it's crazy she's a

normal function i mean it's not like she's not terrorist she's educated she's smart she talks well you're like why can't she just work like everybody else could work can he work at jamba juice nope it's just it's paranoia man it's like people just are afraid of everything and granted they're all real threats you know i'm saying but it's like you can't i just don't feel i was i don't believe in living in that fear no it's not just a constant state of like hypnosis it's it's nationalism you know and it's team it's a team mentality but not a team mentality in a positive sense and a team mentality in an exclusionary sense. Like you're excluding all these other people from joining the team.

Yeah. Like, well, if they all come over here, then they're going to ruin our quality of life. Are you sure? I'm not sure. I've always said, man, nationalism is one of the worst things, actually. I don't like it at all. I'm super proud. I love America. This is't like it at all. I'm super proud. I love America.

This is a dope place to be. But I'm not all fuck your country over my country. That never hit me. My pride isn't like that. My pride is just like it's dope to be from here, and I enjoy it here. But I don't have any disdain towards any other country. I just don't. Well, you know what fucks me up?

It's that team mentality. You could break it down to the macro level because people in Houston don't like people from Dallas. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like it gets goofy. I mean, Dallas and Houston might as well be Mexico and America. I mean, it really might as well be. You tell people like, you know. It's big, though. Yeah, it's weird.

Like, you're from Houston, right? No, no. I live there now. Dude, Houston and Dallas might as well be in a fucking civil war if you talk to half the people. They don't fight. You're like, oh, you're from Dallas, motherfucker. Let's do this. It's not like you want to fight.

But if you tell people that you live in Houston or you love Houston and they're from Dallas, like, fuck Houston. Exactly. They get weird. And Austin is kind of like the middle ground. Austin's like, well, hey, man. Everybody's kind of cool. Everybody just relax, man.

Austin's like the hippie brother that tries to, hey, guys, don't fight. Let's just be cool here. We're all from Texas. And then you got weird spots that are like Odessa. You might as well be Mexican. You're in Odessa. You're trying to pretend you're not Mexican? I've never made it out to any of the small parts of Texas.

It's right there. it's on the border I've had a friend of mine who lived on a crop what is directly across from Juarez El Paso they said that one of the buildings that he was at got shot like got hit with a bullet from someone involved in gang warfare on the other side of the border. They were so close to Juarez that a bullet from Juarez hit one of the buildings he was in. Uh-uh. Like, what? What is happening?

Well, that's another reason right there, you dumb fuck, that we got to keep them out of our country. Please, man. Oh, man. American. It's so funny arguing with people. They just have talking talking points and they don't never think about anything well you know what they you can have talking points and you can have points and their points are okay they're not okay but it's just it's it's it's to be discussed and debated but when people don't think so man solid opinions on certain well that's the problem is like the nobody has rocks out of opinions because they're,

usually their beliefs aren't based on any kind of foundation, any research. It's all based on somebody that says something. Right. Usually on podcasts or television

that they agree with and all of a sudden your opinion becomes a fact. Some Sean Hannity type shit. Yeah. I've never really watched Sean, man. Yeah.

You know, it's one thing if they weren't human. Like if you had like some Neanderthals that lived in Mexico and they were dangerous and they liked to eat people. You're like, look, we got a fucking real problem. Neanderthals coming over here eating us. But no, they're just folks. They're just folks.

People dehumanize people all the time. I saw it in my sport and you see it, I mean, in every aspect of life. Yeah. Well, how about Israel and Palestine? Yeahine yeah i mean that is the craziest shit ever i was watching this this documentary on the history of israel and palestine what is it because i've been looking for one oh man i'm so so trying to there's quite a few of them out there i need i need to find one i don't think a documentary honestly is comprehensive enough i'd probably like to find a good book. I've read up on it, and it just gets deeper and deeper and deeper. It's almost impossible to unravel because these people have been at each other.

Israel is this one strange area, right? Because you have this Jewish state that's surrounded virtually on all sides by arab states and so and they hate israel right and then israel hates them and they're trying to push people out and then the palestinians are claiming that this is their land and they were pushed out and i used to do this bit and people used to get so fucking mad at me they used to get so mad at me because i was i said that i was watching tv and uh i was watching this thing about the Palestinians versus the Israelis, and I go, there's a brown-skinned guy with dark curly hair throwing rocks at a brown-skinned guy with dark curly hair holding a machine gun. I'm like, you guys look super fucking similar. I go, this is like watching a tennis match between the Williams sisters.

I mean, this isn't like the Africans versus the Nordic people. Like, you can clearly tell. Like, if you see an African person and you see someone from China, okay, I see you guys look real different. But, like, Israelis and Palestinians, they're fucking so close until they talk. But you say that to people, they get so mad at you. We are very different. Okay.

I can't really... I don't think there's a difference, man. Kind of. But it's similar enough that they could pass for each other. You don't think so? I think that's debatable, man. Debatable? Yeah. Hmm. From what I see, we got the...

I don't think we're going to figure it out with a Google search. We'd have to actually go over there and take pictures. Excuse me, sir. Turns out the Palestinians are one pound heavier I don't think we're going to figure it out with a Google search. We'd have to actually go over there and take pictures. Weigh people. Excuse me, sir. Get on the scale. Turns out the Palestinians are one pound heavier on average. It's just fucked up when you see that kind of a dispute that you don't think is ever going to get settled inside your lifetime.

No, it definitely won't be in our time. It's a state that was established in the 1940s. It's still there today, and it's still hotly under debate, and you're wondering, like. See, that's why I'm so confused about it. And it's such a hot-button issue, too, because it's like, as soon as you bring it up, you're like, hey, you know what I mean? Right.

And I'm just, it's an honest inquiry, right, because I don't really know enough about it, so I'm trying to read up on it. And it seems to me super um uh there's a little red flag that raises to me then during this last republic before uh trump was president the one of the last the republican debates were all of them on the panel like they were just like i'm super pro-israel i'm so pro-israel and all of them like i'm pro-israel too and i'm just like why why are you so pro-israel it just made me think. And that's what made me start digging into it.

And it's like, I mean, usually I don't agree with a lot of what the Republicans say. And so it just makes me think, what is the underlying issue here? Well, that's Christianity. That's a big thing. Because the pro-Israel people, the really heavy-duty evangelical Christians, they really, truly believe that inside their lifetime, Jesus is going to return and he's going to return to Israel. So that's what they think is coming back to Israel. Oh yeah.

There was a vice documentary on it. So that's why we bet. I mean, it's probably deeper than that. It's probably deeper than that. Yeah. Well, it's our lone ally that's non-Muslim in that area. How do they become our ally? Because we arm the fuck out of them

But I know but there's a reason though, right? Well, I think you know, we see the way they live their lifestyle I mean, there's very many reasons I'm simplifying it but it's much closer to ours than these Arab states I mean women in Israel First of all, they have all the rights that women in America do right pretty. Pretty sure, other than the fact they have to go to the Army. They have mandatory Army service, which a lot of people think would be a good thing for America. Mandatory military service because it would make you understand about sacrifice and discipline and also that you're a part of this thing. Instead of saying, we should go over there and kick their ass.

Who's we? Are you doing that? Right. Are you going to send your kids? Exactly. That's a lot. I think we'd have way fewer interactions with other countries if everybody's kids had to go over there and do it. 100%.

If it wasn't a voluntary thing, if it was an involuntary thing, we'd be much more judicious in our use of military. When you brought up that dehumanizing thing. It's, to me, when people bring up war and stuff like that, it's like they just throw out these numbers like those weren't humans that died. That shit boggles my mind. Like if that was your mother or your father's sister, maybe people do feel like, yes, he gave his life to a cause. But for me, it's like, man, at the end of the day, I'm fighting for dirt nobody owns.

You can't take it with you in your box. I don't understand it. Well, not only that, there's these impossible to fix parts of the world. Like if you look at what's going on right now in Syria, how many people are going to have to die before they figure out that part of the world? I mean, that seems like if you were there, you would just want to get the fuck out of there as quickly as possible because everybody could die at any moment there yeah at any moment anything could happen missiles are slamming into apartment buildings it's like you just

got to get the fuck out and that can happen in this world like the the world conflicts can escalate to the point where they're just nonsensical where you can't make any sense of it you just got to get the fuck out like if you were living right now in syria i mean you would say you know part of me wants to fight for this this is my city this is my country this is where i'm from and part of you is like fuck this let's go to greece yeah why don't we go to germany i don't got that in me man i just i just don't like like my pride runs from my inner circle of my family to my community. And after that, it's like, what are we fighting for?

Right. You know what I'm saying? Unless you're, like, stepping in my home base. I don't understand the point, man. I don't got that in me. Well, when you get to something like World War II, right? When you get to something like the Nazis are trying to take over the world. That makes sense.

Pushing into Poland. You go, okay, we got a real problem here. That makes sense. This crazy fuck might really, like, what's going on in North Korea Korea North Korea scares the shit out of me see and that's what I don't understand is like so you got a juggernaut country like that who's basically waving a flag saying I don't fuck with you you know I'm going I'm arming myself and we don't really do anything we don't really well the problem is they do do things and they do no they no that's what I'm saying we don't do it.

Us? To them, you mean? Yeah. Well, we're looking at them now. I mean, apparently, this is all rumor and who knows what was really said, but apparently that's the main thing that Donald Trump was informed about when Obama left office. One of the things Obama said, like, this is the biggest issue. It's North Korea. He's a maniac.

That Kim Jong-un is a fucking murderous maniac and he's running a military dictatorship for sure and he's got prison camps and they've got these people that are born in prison they're born prisoners they're slaves and they kill them they do whatever the fuck they want to them if you don't listen to those people if you don't listen to the military they can kill you you have no rights you have to do with i mean people were put in jail because they didn't mourn hard enough for the death of his father. Really? Yeah. They were given jail sentences, hard labor because they didn't cry hard enough. We played it recently. There was these people, that's like the worst acting you've ever seen. The people on the street when Kim Jong-il died and they were just wailing, The people on the street when Kim Jong-il died, and they were just wailing, just falling down.

They couldn't cry hard enough, and they had to do it. They had to do it publicly. That's crazy. It was so nuts. See, that's what I need to do, man. I'm pretty up on my domestic politics. I'm kind of out of the loop on foreign policy. I'm out of the loop on everything. I just talk shit.

I watch a few YouTube videos. I read a few articles. Occasionally, a book crosses my eyes. I read that. the loop on everything. I just talk shit. I watch a few YouTube videos. I read a few articles. Occasionally a book crosses my eyes. I read that. It's good to know, man. Most of the time I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. There's too much to know. That's true, man. That's definitely true, man. If I really sat down with someone

who's a real true expert on foreign policy, you know what you really get? You really get a guy who knows a lot about one area Like if a real expert on foreign policy say if you were talking to someone who's an expert on China like international relationship with China The international relationship with China is probably super complex It's probably so much to know and so much to understand so much to go over like the the Tube to for you to be a real expert

How could you fucking know all that? how could you possibly know all that i guess that's one of my problems is like once once i once i want to learn something i got to learn everything about it i guess i learned conceptually that's good so yeah and it's bad though because like i have a one track mind so like it'll consume me for like three months though that's good that's how people get good at things, though. That's probably why you were a great football player. It's probably the same thing. That's obsession. Yeah, it becomes obsessive.

But I feel like that's the case with anybody who gets really good at things. You get just completely nuts about it and you get absorbed with it. That's true. Because if you're just casual about it but the dude next to you is obsessed with it, he's going to get better at it. He's going to get better. There's just no doubt about it. There's no way around it, man.

You know, I remember when I was training jujitsu, like heavily, I would still, you know, I still had jobs and stuff. You know, I was busy. But I would meet these young kids. They were like 17 and 18. They'd be training two times a day and lifting weights as well and just constantly going over new moves. And I was like, this dude has no way i'm catching up to that guy they just there's when they have that when you have that real true

passion obsession that's the only way to hit real excellence that's true i always tell kids like man they'll tell me like um uh you know i want to do this i want to i want to be uh this i want to be this and i was like you have no idea the discipline it takes in order to be the best at your craft yeah like people don't understand that shit like people look at like um the we we kind of take take for granted the the the top of the top of the top of of anything really right we take that shit for granted because you're looking at a finished product and you don't see the the story behind it until it hits the news right hits the the the show that you love watching like but the people who are best at what they do have been doing it for like like great examples like um that comedy right so like this pisses me off when people like to say like overnight sensation

about a comic right but then you dig into their background and they've been working on for like 18 20 years they've been doing gigs or they've been going on shows and they've been just kind of harnessing their craft and then all of a sudden, boom, they blow up and people are like, oh, overnight shit, bullshit. I hate that. Well, comedy looks so easy. It does. Because you're just talking.

Like you're talking right now. Yeah, yeah. Or just do it in front of a microphone. Say funny shit. You know how to talk. Make a bicycle cry. I mean, in a lot of ways, it's got to be kind of like running. Like, oh, what is it?

Running back? Yeah. I can run. Oh, yeah, yeah he's gotta catch the ball too i catch a ball yeah bro i'm gonna be the greatest ever i'm the best at running how do you how are you the best i just am man i just i just my mentality i just gotta i know i know how to do it man i know how to catch that ball and run man i like this last like two or three months i've been uh i've been going to the to the laugh factory and a lot of comedy stores and stuff or comedy venues and uh i just i just have a whole new respect for comedians that shit is so hard man

it's like you go to a venue and people are just sitting in their chair like yo make me laugh it's the weirdest shit ever and you guys do it like it's i got so much respect for comedians it's a weird gig well not only do it we chuck out our material every two years. Yeah, exactly. That's where I'm at right now. I'm like four months in. All right. That's hard, dude.

I'm working on shit that's like, a lot of it's on rubber legs. Right. It's not super solid yet. Some of it's solid. I always want to ask, so what's the process? So it's like, do you think of jokes, like do you sit down and i mean i i'm totally ignorant to this so like do you sit down and you be like all right i'm gonna write funny shit today for like an hour or like just randomly go throughout your day and this is the process

that's funny man that's the main process, I'll be talking about some crazy shit. That's the main process. No, that's part of the process. The other part of the process is sitting down. Maybe sitting down thinking about things. Sometimes I'll watch a documentary to watch a documentary. Sometimes I'll watch it because I'll go, I bet there's some material in this subject and then sometimes I'll just sit right in front of my computer or sometimes I'll sit with a pen uh pen and a piece of paper all right or sometimes I'm

just in my car and an idea you know what one of the things that gets me it's it's it's tough to do because I like to I like to listen to shit when I'm in my car but I find out when I don't listen to shit when I just have the the the sound no radio, I come up with ideas because my mind is forced to think. All right. And then I'll write those ideas down. And then once you write those ideas down, any idea that you write down is like a seed, you know, and then you try to water that seed and you try to get it to grow into something

that's viable. And half of them don't ever grow. Right. At least. If you're lucky that's tough man like i try i tried it just to like write some jokes just be like let me see what these people go through and it's just like you know where to start yeah it's hard it's crazy well it's it's just a matter of starting like knowing where to start is hard right but the key is to really just

start and then once you start then you sort of chop it down like you start you, you write a bunch of shit down, you go, oh, this is nonsense. But maybe there's something right there. And you take that little piece of it and then I'll put that, I'll copy and paste that on another thing. And then I'll start from scratch. So like I might write 1,500, 2,000 words. And then out of those words is a paragraph. And then maybe there's something in that paragraph. And then I'll pull that paragraph, throw it on somewhere else.

And then maybe I'll go back over that other 2,000 words that I didn't take. And I'll do it with fresh eyes the next day. And maybe a new thought. It's that process that we don't see that I just have super respect for, man. It's a fun job, though, man. Look, dude, I've been doing it for, like, almost 30 years. You can't play football for almost 30 years. You get fucked up.

You know what I mean? It's like nothing. I'm so glad about that. Your mind gets a little fucked up. Your mind can get fucked up. Your mind gets fucked up when things aren't going well. It's so intriguing to me how like comedians are really kind of like the narrators of our society and and they kind of just they find a way dog to like

explain the the the shit that's that's normal to everybody and to look at and see how silly is this shit you know and that's why that's why i love comedy. It's such an art to me, man. So you're thinking about doing it? I want to do it just like as a bucket list thing, just to try it. I'm not trying to be like a touring. I just want to like, you know, I'm a tire man, so I'm just like, I'm looking at shit that's interesting to me. I'm just like, I'm going to try it, man.

There's comedians that get real upset about that kind of shit. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They go, these guys think they can do what we do? No, I don't, but that's what I'm going to try. I don't feel like that at all. Okay, cool. My feeling is totally the opposite.

My feeling is you could. You definitely could. You could definitely do it. I appreciate the motive. You're a smart guy. I appreciate it. You're funny. I think you could do it.

I think anybody could do it if you're funny. If you're smart and you're funny and you're honest, everybody starts from a different spot. There's some people that are just naturally funny. I've met some people, like my friend Eddie Bravo. I try to talk him to doing stand-up

He did it a bunch of times back in the day, but he's just naturally funny All right, he just says funny shit He sees funny shit, and I was like dude. You're a comedian. You just never did it right like you could be hilarious Cuz he'll fucking have us crying some nights just ridiculous shit But it's a matter of starting off with one step, and then you learn how to walk, and then you learn how to run, and then you're going to learn how to run better,

and then you've got to figure out the moves. I mean, it really is a bunch. There's a whole path to it. It's whether or not you're willing to take that path. Because that path might take 10 years. That's what everybody says. Man. You'll have good sets before those 10 years.

Don't get me wrong. It's not like 10 years in, finally I got a laugh. No, I got laughs all along the way, but I sucked You know definitely kind of take you a while to find out who you are as a as a comic Yeah, man, and then that's the other thing though. You you do a special like I just did my last nest Netflix special Oh, that's your comedy. Oh, thanks Dolphin oh my god. That's a true story. I fell, dog. That's a true story. I fell out, man. That's a true story. I was so high.

I was watching those dolphins. I'm like, how come nobody ever catches dolphins on a fishhook? It's like, how fucking smart are they, man? What if they're like little water people? That really made me think. That bit was genius, man. Oh, thank you. That is really something that I really thought about. I wrote a blog about it way back in the day.

I think it's called Hello Stranger. All right. About that very subject. That's why I love comedy, man. It's like, y'all, you find a way to encapsulate the weirdest and most brilliant thoughts that we have. We try, but the problem is once you do one every two years, one of the things that happens is you run out of shit to talk about. Right, right, right.

Or you don't have necessarily anything to talk about. But what I like to do then when I feel stagnant is I like to not do anything. Just let my brain reach its balance. Just come back. You ever just went on stage with no material, just winged it? Only on these shows that we do we have these shows called stand up on the spot my friend jeremiah watkins put on the show where uh it's you actually wing it to the audience's suggestion so the audience will

yell out like uh uh bush's paintings because you know george bush paints now you've seen his paintings i have not seen his paintings is he nice though some of them are weird yeah not bad better than me that's dope man i mean i give anybody a chance man i don't judge though i don't work criminals it's whatever but i can separate man you kind of have to right you have to i was i was trying to explain that to somebody about bill cosby and i was like it's a very complex situation because he yes he most likely did those things that they're accusing him of. It's pretty likely. It's pretty likely. I don't know.

I wasn't there, but it seems highly unlikely that that many people. And there was always that rumor. There was always that rumor. But he also was a brilliant comedian. He was? He was a rapist. It was like. But he was a brilliant comedian.

Alleged rapist. Like alleged. Pardon me. You got to say that. Like OJ, right? yeah it's a fucking murderer man but like dude could play that was nice the juice was nice man like but i i don't i don't understand how people can't separate your performance from your who you are as a human i never understood that did you see the recent thing where his doctor said that if the understanding of CTE was available back then, they might have used that as a defense? That's awful.

It's crazy. Well, what's really crazy is that doctor is essentially saying that OJ did it, even though he was acquitted. Yeah, he didn't go to jail for that, man. He's in jail for stealing his shit. I know, isn't that funny? He might get out soon. Yeah, I know he is, though. I thought it was like December.

I think he has an opportunity, I think in October. But I think it's one of those things like a parole thing. Because I think he's in though. I thought it was like December. I think he has an opportunity, I think, in October. But I think it's one of those things, like a parole thing. Because I think he's in jail for 25 years. But I think he's been in jail for nine. And he might get released. Is that what it is? Yeah, it says October. But here's the thing, man.

You kind of know that they're not really jailing him for that. They're not really jailing him for that. Which is weird, man. Because he was trying to get back his stuff right yeah if people don't know the story oj i believe someone had stolen some of his autographed merchandise or his memorabilia right and he was trying to get it back and someone in the room with him had a gun like the guy he went they held they held him hostage did they pull the gun out

i think they had it out but i think what it was was they went into the room with the people and locked the door so nobody's leaving which is like a kidnapping charge you can't kidnap people man that's crazy though that we're supposed to believe that that's what kept him in jail for nine years no you definitely know because if you watch the the judge's uh deliber deliberation when he was going to jail him, you could tell it was like, you deserved this. We're just throwing the book at you. If that was your first offense, you might not even be in jail. Yeah, I kind of believe they're not going to give him parole on that. I don't know, man.

I just kind of believe. That whole thing was so weird to me, man. thing was so weird to me man there was a um there was a woman who was in the manson family who uh was one of the people that murdered sharon tate and she was up for parole recently and they you know they were talking to her and they were you know asking her why she did it and how she did it and she just sort of explained that you know she was a part of this cult and that they had really kind of like convinced her that this was the way to do it and this is the way to live we have to fight these people and they're all on acid they're all fucking freaking out and she was trying to explain it and they're like yeah no parole the fuck out of here she's explaining how she stabbed her and the woman was pregnant too she

stabbed the baby it's just no it's just crazy that some people go to jail for life, for stupid shit, like smoking pot. Like, there's people that are in jail for selling pot, and they're in jail with life sentences. Yeah, man. It must have. I mean, I guarantee you people have died in jail for marijuana sales. Yeah, of course. Guaranteed. Guaranteed.

But it's still sort of kind of possible that if you kill somebody you can get out early man it's uh depends on who you are actually oh it must but it does man it also depends on the overcrowding of the state right like someone was telling me that uh louisiana in particular uh during new orleans like the um during uh katrina rather like when New Orleans was getting flooded My friend was like dude. They had what they would call You know like instead of felt they would call it misdemeanor murder as A joke because dudes would be murdering guys and they'd be out in really short sentences because they just heard about yeah I heard about that. Yeah, see if pull up that term, misdemeanor murder, New Orleans.

Because this guy was joking around about it, and I never looked into it deep enough to know whether or not he was telling the truth, but I'd heard it more than once. They were just letting people out. Murderers. Yeah, I see. Yeah, New Orleans. Often accused of institutionalized misdemeanor murder. Article 701 of the criminal code requires the state release a defendant who has not been charged with a crime after 60 days.

Before Hurricane Katrina, a few hundred people per year were released under Article 701. So someone would commit a murder. They wouldn't be charged inside of 60 days because they're probably overburdened and they would let someone out. Holy shit. And it's there, the big easy to get away with murder a metafiller article wow yeah so some spots it's just so chaotic you can get away with it you got people in jail for these uh in prison for these petty offenses drugs well for violating our rules that's ridiculous

we have too many rules you know if that many people are in jail for violating rules does that necessarily mean that many people should be in jail

or does it mean we have too many rules you gotta figure out like is someone a victim of these situations as soon as someone's a victim then that's probably where we should serve

and protect right I don't understand how people view our laws as the gospel. I mean, certain things obviously are demonstrably bad for society, but some shit, like, this is such a, there are things that could be amended that just need to be, man. Like, what would you change? Like, if you could get into the judicial system?

Well, the drugs there's no way that they should be first right that's like one of the big ones that's one of the big ones um what else um i don't know man i have to i have to deliberate on that one i mean the uh the prison industrial complex as far as uh locking up people of color has been a problem in our communities for years uh i think that the the policing needs to change i think that and i think if you're going to look at other i mean we just got done talking about this yesterday that i think if you're going to look at other parts of the world saying they need our help, places like Afghanistan, places where we've sent massive amounts of troops and resources into, Iraq in particular, right?

I think if they put that amount of money to figuring out how to build back these impoverished communities, instead of just leaving them the way they are, figure out some way. I don't know what the fuck it is. Because you'd have to go through a couple of generations to get rid of the cycle of the negativity that some of these people have experienced growing up with all the crime and all the crime follows poverty all the time yeah it's right there together and and then also the momentum of that crime and poverty just it's hard to break loose of and it doesn't help by putting them in jail and most of the time it becomes worse it becomes a mentality so like I always found

significant like kind of growing up like in the inner city like so like violence is kind of So normalized right so it's like you like like being like being who you like being tough on the streets was like The good thing to be and growing up and that and soon that so if you heard of somebody like that's committing murders or beating up people or whatever like that and this is fucked up

but like that that mentality it reverberates through some of the neighborhoods it's like that's cool like that's what you wanted to be you didn't want to kill people but you wanted to be

to have that tough label and that mentality and that psyche it's infectious and you see it with music and entertainment. Yeah. It's something that's embedded in our culture. It started way back then, but it's still here.

And it seems like it ramped up when it became a big part of popular rap culture. When I was a kid, you didn't hear about nearly as much gang violence as we did after N.W.A. came out. When you started hearing rap music with a lot of violence in it. They were the originators of that, for sure. But the violence in the neighborhoods, it really didn't start with the rap era. It started with the crack era, which the rap era came out of the crack era. So it all came together. Yeah, that's a really good point, actually.

And you know what else is a really good point, too? Is that that all of a sudden, it glorified it and it made a lot of wannabes. That's true. And I mean, it's unfortunate, but that's why I love art. Art is always a reflection. It's a mirror of society, right?

Right. Unless you go to that lacma place you ever go to that la county museum of art i've never seen that don't go i appreciate that it's one of the modern places where they have like a box on the ground there's like a plexiglass box i go what is that is that that's the actual art the plexiglass box the box represents what you want it to be. Oh, man. So the art is that you look down at the box.

It's really brilliant, actually, when you think about it that way, because the box, that's real. That's real, man. That's a fucking box. It's a box that's on the ground. You know what that is? That's a dude who you buy weed off of. That's his coffee table.

Right? Right? You go over his house. You say, hey, man, I love this fucking amber plastic coffee table you got bro yeah dude i fucking chopped my buds up on this man it is a nice tint though yeah it's not bad but the fact that it was roped off and that it was a an actual it's an actual piece of exhibit that's a piece of art fuck you i would never have it looks like just fuck you that jurassic park no someone has to say no that's funded that's funded yes that's like isn't it like who funds that who funds isn't that like

a big part of it is public it's the la county museum of national art oh that's that's amazing because what it represents is spaghetti and we all like spaghetti that's cool it makes you think about your childhood that's crazy you don't like that what you like string hanging from the ceiling yes okay well you know what it reminds me you like string hanging from the ceiling yes okay well you know what it reminds me of like string hanging from the back when i was a kid um when you had to rent porn you had to go through beads like to get to the porno section of the video store i wasn't my era man i'm i'm way older than you man i was there when it all went down but see everybody like a lot of uh a lot of black moms and grandmas have the beads oh right right and especially

A lot of black moms and grandmas have the beads. Oh, right. And hippies have the beads, too. Mexican mothers, too. Why is there a rock there? Is that an art piece? Is that the L.A. LACMA thing? Well, that's a rock, and it represents rocks.

But you've got to appreciate how they got the rock there. No, I don't, because somebody had to pay for it. That's crazy, Joe. That could have paid for a fucking teacher, okay? There's a whole bunch of shit we could spend. That could have hired a better group of coaches for a football team. I like that rock art, dog. You do? I like that one.

Well, that's why it's there. You know why? Because the world's all different. Like, hot food tastes different to me than it does to some folks. I hate it. It must be. Some people looked at that and they go, it's amazing. I don't see that.

And they got this feeling. I could just look at it and be like, I can appreciate somebody putting that rug there. Somebody might have even looked at that box on the ground and got that feeling. I'm not denying that. They'd have to explain that one to me. Well, they'd be like, well, this is what it is. It's like everything is so defined, okay? When you read a book, all the words are in the order.

I mean, even if you're thinking about what this person wrote, they wrote it, okay? So they're forcing this into your mind. So this artist is giving the opportunity Is giving you the opportunity to put inside that box or to whatever put whatever? Signification whatever whatever important significance of that box. It's all up to your interpretation man She has a point. I don't know why she's a she She's transitioning she seemed like she was transitioning while she's a she. I don't know. She's transitioning. She seemed like she was transitioning while I was talking.

I was like, I lost my girl. I started out as a girl, and then I got annoyed, and I became a gay guy for a little while. And at the end, I was an old lady who smoked cigarettes. Those tones are very different, right? Like, you can go gay guy, old lady who smokes cigarettes. There's that voice. This is where we put the stuff. LACMA. There's a video, too.

There's a video that was playing on a giant-ass screen, and it was, like, people playing catch with a ball. Throwing a two, catch with a two. Like, slow motion with, like, a volleyball. Catch. It was so fucking stupid. I was like, what are you doing? Hey, man. You've got a video of a guy like a volleyball. Catch. It was so fucking stupid. I was like, what are you doing? Hey, man.

You've got a video of a guy throwing a ball to another guy? You've got to be able to express yourself, man. I'm so confused. I kind of feel him now, man. Who's funding it? Who's funding it? Did we find out? The ball thing?

No, the L.A. County Museum of Art. They're probably mad at me right now. They're so snotty there, too. So snotty. So many people that were snotballs. Taxpayers of Los Angeles County. Oh, adorable. Now are you mad?

I disagree with that. Now are you mad? Think about the fucking schools in L.A. Think about what teachers get paid. Think about cops. LACMA's most reliable patrons, 10 million taxpayers. And I guess people can sign up and give money If you like being around other weirdos

But here's the deal Those weirdos man to them it's cool When they go there they like it I'm a fucking idiot Just cause I mean I'm aware I'm an idiot Because I don't know how you're looking at that plastic box On the ground

There could be a bunch of people that like it. I got a question for you, man. Okay. So, I've been a fan of you for a long time, right? So, what... Thank you. Appreciate it. I appreciate you appreciating it.

What made you make the switch from being a moon landing denier to like... That's a good question. You'd be crazy if we didn't... No, I don't think we're crazy no this is this is my my take on it absolutely i don't know enough about astrophysics about space travel about the science that's you know the the work that's been done about how to get a rock rocket to the moon and back i definitely don't't know enough. That's what I can say. And I've looked at a lot of very compelling documentaries that explain why they think it was hoaxed.

And they'll show you some footage, and you can look at some of the footage, and it looks fake as fuck. There's some footage that, to me, looks really doctored. To this day? Yeah, to this day. Have you ever seen ones where it looks like they're on wires, like the astronauts are on wires? I have.

There's some where, there's a video where they look like they're on a trampoline, they're bouncing around on trampolines. The physics are different in different videos. This is where it gets weird. Like, the physics are different from the Apollo 11 moon landing. We see them waddle around on the surface of the moon. They're moving at, like, half speed.

And then you see them in other ones, like the one where they bounce around the air. You're like, they're moving different. They're in the same thing, but it looks different. The first one was very grainy. They showed it on a projection screen. There's a couple different possibilities. One possibility is it just looks weird because it's on the moon and your brain is trying to interpret it and your brain's going well that's fake because you don't

really understand what one six earth's gravity really does to a body that's one possibility another possibility which has been shown to be true is that some of the stuff that they passed off as being legitimate photographs of space travel was actually test runs where they blacked out the background and pretended that they were in space. And there's one really clear example of this. It's Michael Collins. Michael Collins, who was a guy who was aboard Apollo 11 and Gemini 15. There's a photo of him in the middle of a, what is it when they walk around outside the spacewalk? It's called a spacewalk? Why does that seem like a bad word?

It's like spacewalk? It doesn't seem like that's the official title. Well, he's in the middle of a spacewalk. It's probably something more. Yeah. A little more syllables. Yeah, something slicker. Anyway, so he's doing the spacewalk, and he's got this harness on.

He's holding on to this thing. and he's got this harness on, he's holding on to this thing. And it was apparently just an image that had already been published of him in a training exercise. And they blacked out the background and flipped the picture upside down. That's the joint right there. It's the same exact photo. Same exact photo. I mean, people have lined it up and switched it over.

It's the same photo. It's just been edited. So the one on the left was them practicing how to use these i don't guess that the harness is some sort of a thing that he's hanging on to i guess it moves him around a little bit right they were trying to practice it on the left and on the right they just passed it off but those are publicity photos right right so you got to go well okay well who approves of publicity photos It could easily be just some idiot who works in the publicity department who did marketing and who didn't think they had enough photos from the moon that were good of spacewalks.

It's probably insanely difficult to take a spacewalk photo. So does that mean that they faked the moon landing? No, but it means that people fake things. So you've got to be really objective in looking at that. Okay, so people say fake things they definitely filmed a lot of the Training exercises that they did of the moon landing they filmed a lot of shit. They definitely did

If that is already been proven that they took this fake photograph And they tried to pass it off as a real space one it's entirely possible that some of the stuff that they filmed they made out to look like they were on the moon when they were not but does that mean they didn't go to the moon no it doesn't and so when i was saying it proves that they didn't go to the moon i my critique of myself is that i didn't look at it objectively because i wanted one conclusion to be true and i wanted that conclusion to be that the moon landing was fake so i looked at it and i was and i was saying to myself okay did i come to this conclusion because there's a lot of evidence that shows it to be fake or have i seen a lot of evidence that

looks fake and does that mean that they didn't go? To the moon. No, it doesn't there's a bunch of different possibilities. There's a ton of different possibilities There's also the possibility that whatever Photographs they took can get severely damaged in the radiation of space that it was really difficult to do, right? That's possible too and that they decided somehow or another that they were going to pass off these, that they actually did go and they decided they're going to pass off some of these fake videos.

So there's a bunch of possibilities. The possibility that it looks fake because I'm dumb and because I don't understand anything about the physics of one sixth Earth's gravity and it just looks weird because it's shitty film and it's 1969. That's possibility number one. Number two is they fake some things.

Or number three is they didn't really have good footage because you couldn't take film through the airport. Remember that? People would go through those radar detectors and your film would get jacked. They weren't responsible. I didn't have any film but I know. People that might... I have friends that are

photographers. My uncle's a photographer. And he would tell me, you can't send the film. Like, if you have, like, you take a roll of film and awesome pictures. So how would they get it through? I don't know. I don't know what the fuck they did. But I know that some film has been damaged.

Or maybe it's an urban myth. Maybe. Find out if film got damaged by uh those radar things at the airport x-rays x-rays the air i could appreciate the mindset though of looking at your opinion objectively and saying am i tripping let's look at the facts and say i'm just not really sure i think that's the problem with people today and people in period is that they're afraid to say, I don't know. Yeah.

You know what I mean? They're super afraid. It's like, to me, ignorance is such a gift. Like, it just gives you an opportunity to learn some shit if you're humble enough. Like, don't assume you know shit. Like, even the shit I feel like I know, I still feel like I don't know.

Yeah, well, that seems you have a very healthy ego for a big, young, fucking super athlete. It's fucking football, man. I know, but I'm saying your ego is very healthy ego for a big young fucking super athlete. It's fucking, it's fucking football, man. I know, but I'm saying your ego is very healthy. You have a really good way of looking at things.

I think that's, that's the right way to be, man. You can't be married to, to like ideas and opinions like that because they're not you, but we think that they are. They're like an extension of us. So we want to win these arguments.

We want, yeah, we want to be right. i think it gets real scary when you want to be right and then you're willing to ignore evidence that might show that you're wrong that's how i felt about myself and by the way if you wanted a if you wanted a conspiracy that's a good one that seems like it might be possible the moon landing is one of the best ones and this is why it's so attractive between 1969 and 1973 you still on the fence about this huh no no i'm not at all okay i'm on the i'm on the i don't know shit fence that's where i live all right but between that a lot of facts on this side i'm with you though they sent i think it was seven missions six of them were successful the only one that wasn't successful was Apollo 13, right? They sent these fucking people around the moon, 250,000 plus miles out there and back.

But ever since then, all they've been able to do is get people into near earth orbit. Ever since then, like the highest anyone's ever gone, I think it's 400 miles. So they went from 260,000 miles all the way to the moon and back to 400 miles everything is like inside and they've never gone through the van allen radiation belts never gone into deep space in return they haven't done that since 1960 1973 i thought and i could be wrong but i thought it was because of like funding could be like because you know meanwhile lachma's got funds show me show me how that makes sense you don't want to fund space travel you want to fund that fucking acrylic box box

great adjective by the way that's perfect it is great i don't i don't think that i know whether or not we went to the moon but i'm telling you that if you wanted a juicy conspiracy i get excited about, it's the best one to get excited about. They lost all the data. I see. Because I see, like, you know, you go down to YouTube wormhole. Oh, yeah. You start watching Barry Sanders highlights and then all of a sudden I'm looking at JFK being Michael Jackson or some shit.

But, like, I just don't see what the motive would be like what is the fucking mo like the cold war um first of all we wanted to beat the russians because we were in a race to see who can get to the to the moon and here's one of the things that we do know for a fact the russians faked a bunch of shit they faked a bunch of footage yeah yuri gagarin who was the first man in space they had had a video. You might be an expert on this, man. Well, I studied this. I debated a guy

who was a really nice guy, but Phil Plait, who's a bad astronomer, badastronomer.com. Okay. And he was a lot of things he wasn't willing to admit, though,

that were unfortunate because maybe he could have convinced me more if he was. And one of the big ones was that Wernher von Braun was a Nazi. They hired a bunch of Nazis to run a space program. It was called Operation Paperclip.

And what Operation Paperclip was, was they took a bunch of Nazi scientists and relocated them to the United States. We lost some of them to Russia. Russia scooped up some of them. But when we ended the World War II and Nazi Germany collapsed, we went in and took the scientists. Well, Wernher von Braun was the head of a rocket factory in Berlin where they used to hang the five slowest Jews in front of the rocket factory for all the other workers to see. Wernher von Braun.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center said if Wernher von Braun was alive today, he'd be punished for crimes against humanity. This is news to me. No, Wernher von Braun was a straight-up Nazi. And this guy was not willing to admit that. Right. You know, it's like, well, you know, just because someone's in Germany.

No, no, no, no, no. No, he was a Nazi. He was a Nazi. Whether or not he actually killed anybody, maybe he had to be a Nazi. I mean, we're not saying that, look, if you're fucked and you're in this neighborhood and it overcomes the entire neighborhood, you want to keep your family alive, so you put that thing on your jacket sleeve, you put that swastika on, and you see God like everybody

else, maybe you're not really a Nazi ideologically, maybe you're not a Nazi in your heart, maybe you're just trying to stay alive. That's entirely possible, too. But he was a Nazi. He. Maybe you're not a Nazi in your heart. Maybe you're just trying to stay alive. That's entirely possible too. But he was a Nazi. He was a fucking Nazi. And they had slaves that were running rocket factories

in Berlin where they were figuring out how to make rockets. That's just brand new. I need to... Yeah. Operation Paperclip. Cold War.

President Truman authorized Operation Paperclip in August of 1945 the US Army secretly admitted 88 German scientists and engineers to help a development of rocket technology including Werner von Braun Arthur Rudolph and her but Strugald Herbertus herbertus Hubertus Hubertus. That's a great name. It's not a great name bring that back Hubertus? Hubertus? Hubertus. That's a great name. It's not a great name, bro.

Bring that back. Hubertus. If you have a fucking stud kid, who's like one of the strongest men in the world, and his name is Hubertus, that's my son, Hubertus. Fuck that. Oh, that's true. That's true. He was named after a Nazi.

So there was like something in the debate that guy was not willing to admit, which made me even more skeptical that he was right about the other stuff. The other thing was that they, like, moon rocks that they've collected from the moon have turned out to not really be moon rocks. A bunch of them, for sure, have been tested by scientists, and they've found that these rocks are from another planet. But there was a rock that they gave to whoever's the head of holland and it was personally given

with a plaque by neil armstrong buzz aldrin and michael collins and it turned out to be petrified wood moon rock given to holland by neil armstock and buzz aldrin is fake it's a moon rock given to the dutch prime minister by the apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 turned out to be a fake. So they were giving people pieces of petrified wood saying, this is for you. We went to the moon. God bless America. It's growing 308,000 euros.

Now, there's a bunch of possibilities, okay? Let's just be honest about this because this story is from 2009. It's entirely possible that between 1969 that well this is there's multiple sources but that's the telegraph that's a legit newspaper you gotta trace the source for sure what i'm saying is that it's entirely possible that someone stole that moon rock and replaced it with that that's possible all right that's possible or it's possible they just had some fake rocks here's the thing bill clinton had a fucking he had a quote in his book in one of his books um i think his book is called my life he had a

quote about the moon landing and a story about him having this conversation with a carpenter and that this carpenter said that he didn't believe the moon landing he goes them television fellers they can make anything look real. And he said, this is a quote in Bill Clinton's fucking book. He said, back then, I thought that guy was a quack. But after, or a crank, whatever, crazy person. But after eight years in the White House, I was wondering if he wasn't ahead of his time. Oh, wow.

This is a guy that was the fucking president of the United States. And he's talking specifically about an old carpenter telling him the moon landing was fake and then he says I wondered after eight years in the White House if that guy wasn't ahead of his time causation

correlation yeah no look look could be bullshit yeah could be bullshit 100% it could be just a good story. But I think that's the thing about conspiracy theories. It's like they lead you on all these dead-end chases. Oh, yeah. Well, what's weird is that Trump's a conspiracy theorist.

There's a lot more adjectives you can add on to that. Yeah, but the conspiracy theory aspect is interesting. As far as what can be confirmed. You know he's going to want to know about UFOs. That's probably the first shit he did. He probably sat them down. What's going on with the aliens? Where do we stand?

He has an interest in that? Where do we stand? Who doesn't? You wouldn't? I would guess it. I do, for sure. I do. I don't think we have been visited.

Come on, dude. Let me tell you something. Okay. You become the president. All right. President Foster. How are you, sir? I'm well, man.

What would you like to do today? I'd like to find out if there's fucking aliens. Nah, man. It's my first day on the job. That's not my first one, man. No? Nah. First day on the job.

I'm like, take me to the bodies. I need to know what the fuck we're up against. Are they real? I need to know. There's no way. I would need to know. If you knew that there might be a possibility that they knew, you sat down with all the men.

I definitely ought to ask, yeah. Fuck yeah. If you heard rumblings, if you and they knew, you sat down with all the people. I definitely ought to ask, yeah. Fuck yeah. If you heard rumblings, if you and Mike Pence were in the elevator, Mr. President. He wouldn't be my vice president, man. Okay, who would your vice president be? Not him. Not Mike Pence, but yeah, we on the elevator. Who would it be?

You. I don't want to be vice president, too. No shit, bro. That means you get shot if you have to be president. I get Sam Harris, man. That's a good one. That's my guy. I would let him be president, though.

Have you had him on your- Bunch times. Really? Yeah, bunch times. He's on in a week, too. What's crazy is I'm subscribed to you on YouTube, and the shit keeps kicking me off, and I don't know what's going on with that. That's the government trying to control me.

They can't handle the truth. Yeah, man. Shit piss me off. I don't know, man. I think it's just an algorithm issue, because we also have an issue when we retweet, like the, there's an automatic tweet that YouTube does and it sends out that we're going live, that we're broadcasting live. It tweets it out to people or it sends it out, but it sends it in a fucking Spanish.

Was it like, it was, it was like Dutch. Today it says I started a live stream on YouTube, but the last two days, yeah, it was like Dutch or Swedish or I don't know. Bunch of weird languages that I didn't, I couldn't speak. That's interesting, man. Yeah, for some reason my Google shows up like in my inbox, just my name, like in German, like the inbox thing. It says just in German. I'm like, I have no idea. Because you got hacked.

Some German guy. Probably, man. Yeah, man. I don't got shit to hack though hmm yeah so to the long answer of your question that's that's where i stood on this whole moon landing thing that's why i came around to thinking in a different way i was way too convinced that i was right right i'm like i'm convinced i was right but fucking real low levels of understanding of any of the science of this stuff yeah i think that's the problem is as a society we're so scientifically illiterate you know and that that that causes so much room for speculation

and you're kind of um you're kind of a prisoner of of of of people who are masters of their craft you're kind of a prisoner to their quote-unquote agenda. I don't want to put that bad of a term on it, but you're kind of a prisoner of that because we don't have any choice but to take their word for it or to pursue it yourself. Right, to learn about what they're talking about yourself, to know if they're right or not.

Well, that's absolutely the case, right? Because you know that's the case in almost everything else like that was always like a real problem with martial arts was there was this one dude who had all the information and you didn't know and then you would listen to him say shit and we're like whoa is that true and you would think it was true but now like there's videos you could watch on youtube of like some crazy kung fu dude that's just talking nonsense he doesn't really know how to do anything he's just got some crazy thing about chi power and if you don't know, you think this guy is real. Yeah, 100%.

But once you know, you go, oh, you motherfucker. So like, someone can pull the wool over your eyes about that. They could just easily do it with any kind of science

or rocket travel. See, that's what really got me interested in science was like, you follow, especially like with this climate change shit. So like,

you start reading the articles people give you of like why it's not real. And then you go and follow the source. Like that's where I really learned to start following the sources at all the articles, because it's those sources that you lead to the main source of where the information actually came from. And it usually leads to like a scientific paper published in a journal. And they're fairly easy to understand because because it's very with i mean the math and the in the in the actual science is probably won't understand but like you can get

to they break down how they got to their conclusions yeah and that's what i can appreciate about science is it actually gives you a uh an understanding yeah with citations yeah of course shows you each you know what we each study was all about that proves certain things on it yeah that's super important to be able to look at that stuff and obviously i got a lot of time i got a lot of time though man i do it with biology sometimes i do it with like um different discoveries of it i got obsessed with this chimpanzee that they found in the congo it's called the bondo ape and i started reading as much as i could read about this chimpanzee there's one chimpanzee in the uh the Congo that's way bigger than other chimpanzees.

It's enormous. It's like a six-foot-tall, 300-pound chimpanzee. They walk upright. They're huge, enormous chimps. Isn't that okay? Yeah. Well, they have two different kinds of chimps too. The locals call them tree beaters and they have another one.

I think they call them the ground dwellers and tree beaters. I think that's what they call them. Because these chimps are so big that they nest on the ground like gorillas. They don't even bother climbing trees. But they're limited to this one area. They have a crest on their forehead like a gorilla where it's a high crest of the bone. So they have these big massive plates of muscle that they bite down with.

And then they have like this gorilla crest regular chimps don't have that right so when they first found skulls from these things they were confused they were trying to figure out it was a hybrid between a gorilla and a chimp but then um um did you where'd you get that just bondo that looks like that looks fake i know looks weird that looks fake but see that one okay go up to, push your cursor above and then go slightly to the right. Go all the way to the right. Keep going. No, the bottom level.

Bottom level. I'm sorry, up here. Yeah. No, no, no. No, where those pictures. Right above. Just go straight above. Now go to the right.

To the right. To the right. One more. Next guy. That picture. Sorry. Sorry, it's real little. Yeah, just make it bigger.

That was taken by a guy named Carll armand he's a swiss wildlife photographer and he became obsessed with these bondo apes in i feel like it was somewhere around 1996 and he moved to the congo and he stayed there for quite a while trying to take photographs of these really elusive animals but they got that one on a camera trap and it's a fucking huge chimpanzee there's another one that's dead that they shot and it's uh these two guys hold it by the that's that's one for sure but that's a pretty big one but there's that one right there that's a way bigger one they shot that one at the airport it is fucking huge and it was shot um somewhere some near some airstrip so that's like one of the

big pieces of evidence other than now they have bones and they have scat samples and tissue samples so they know they exist but they're really really really hard to get to because the congo is like almost as wide as the united states and it's just filled with fucking crazy shit that can kill you. Everything, everywhere you go is just monsters. Just everywhere. Fucking crocodiles and wild man.

Yeah, and the people there are dangerous as fuck too. Yeah. But this area is particularly dangerous where, so it's really difficult

to get to but I got obsessed with this goddamn thing. So I was reading everything I could read about that. I have never fell in love. No, I never heard of it never fell in love with uh the apes like that man i'm fascinated by apes man i feel like we're so close we're just we're just the hair yeah we are yeah but i just so to me there's just when you look at them i got super high once when I went to the zoo, and I hung out.

I was by myself, sat in front of the chimpanzee cage for like a good solid hour, man. Just watched those chimps move around. I was on an edible. Edibles. They hate you. Just do things for you. They sit you back. And I remember watching them interact with each other, thinking they're like people, but not. people but not yeah they're like people but way more brutal way more like way less paths it's eerie it's kind

of eerie i was actually at the zoo not too long ago i took my kids they love to go but um i don't remember what kind of primate it was man but he was just hanging on the cage and we was walking by he was just kind of like following us and i was like i felt so weird man like it was almost like he was like what's going on man how y'all doing like he wanted to it was the weirdest shit i wasn't even on an edible yeah it's weird when you see their nature come out they're like us you ever seen what there's one where a little kid was like pounding her chest in front of the window and the gorilla was like, bitch! Just threw himself at the glass and cracked it.

I saw that one. He cracked the glass, man. They don't need to be in there, man. Yeah, they shouldn't be in there. I don't, I mean, the only thing that I could see that would make sense why you want to keep them there

is because they're so endangered that you need to keep them alive in these contained environments before they figure out a way to reintroduce them back into the wild. I don't know, man. Extinction is part of the evolutionary process. It's like 99% of all species have died off. Yeah.

It's part of it. So you think we should just let them die? Let them die. Whoa, that's deep. It is. People don't hate that. People don't want to hear that. But it's true. I mean, everything dies. You, that's deep. It is. People don't hate that. People don't want to hear that. But it's true.

I mean, everything dies. You know what's fucked up? What if we're killing, what if we're letting these gorillas stay alive, but really, if we just let them die, they would evolve into something way cooler? That's what I would see. What if we don't know? That's the shit that I've been thinking about, dog. It's like, all right, so the evolutionary tree of life.

Right. Like, we have fucked it up. i don't want to say fucked it up because it was definitely a part of it but it's like we're directly influencing it and i just wonder like what like where is it gonna go from here like well all life forms do that though but no like like we've kind of escaped because like natural selection is all about survival and it's all about, that's basically it. It's adapting to the environment to survive. Right. And now it's not about that anymore.

We don't adapt to our environment to survive anymore. We create our environment. Right. It's different, man. It is definitely different, but it's still adapting to the environment because instead of using, like, physical tools and attributes, we figured out a way to do it mentally where we create things that can alter the environment that's what i'm saying so like still let's what it signals is to me is a new form of life like it's a physical like it's structured like structures and things that we're using whether they're household appliances or electronics all that stuff is evolving as well.

Like it's all happening, right? And so that's the new, like the new ability to adapt. It's all coming out of these things instead of coming out of us. We're putting our work into that. But that's what I'm saying. I,

I'm, I'm not sure, but I don't think we've ever seen this part of evolution, uh, arise like this before. No, we haven't. Not like this.

Nah. And it's crazy to me. I don't, like, I'm just so, like, I love that I live in the time that we do, the information age and all that shit,

but, like, I so want to be able to live, like, 300 years from now to see where we're at as a society. I would love to see that. Yeah, I would love to see it too,

but I'm scared. I want to see it happen, though. I mean, I like this now. I like this now. I'm fascinated to see what's happening here. I am too, i'm really i'm fascinated to see what this what's happening here i am too but like like i want to see ai and i want to see um i want to see life on other planets i think ai is going to turn out like blade runner i think i don't you

never saw that movie i don't think so i saw blade you never i saw that too i don't know blade runner blade runners harrison ford the movie about these artificial people that are so difficult to tell that they don't even know they're artificial people nah dude it's a dope movie well they're gonna they're doing it again right who's gonna be the blade runner guy now is harrison ford in it again that would be crazy rutger howard ron gosling and harling. Yeah, good move. But it was a great science fiction movie, man. Ryan Gosling can act. He'll pull that shit off.

It's a really good movie, man. I got to check him out. It holds up, too. It's one of those few movies that holds up. I got to check him out. But it was probably like about two... I mean, the movie was made, I want to say, in the 90s, right? No, no, no.

80s? 82. 82. Yeah, that was before my time, want to say, in the 90s, right? No, no, no. 80s? 82. 82. Yeah, that was before my time, man. Yeah. Before everybody's time. But it seemed, I think they were saying it was like 2030 or some shit like that. It's 2019, actually.

2019? That's hilarious. Shit, it's two years. That's hilarious. That is so funny. They always think that it was going to be way more crazy than it is. I mean, it's crazy. We got hoverboards, man.

Yeah, but, you know, what they never expected is the craziest thing, which is the internet. They thought that our evolution would be like people would fly around in cars, like they had flying cars and shit. That's what they thought was going to happen. And then they would have artificial people that you couldn't distinguish. Like surrogates? Well, the Rutger Hauer character was the most fascinating one. I checked this movie out.

It's a good fucking movie. I love sci-fi. That's my favorite shit. And there's that girl that was, what was her name? Sean, what was her name? She was a huge deal for a long time. She was a huge movie star. Sean, god damn it.

for a long time. She was a huge movie star. Sean, god damn it. But she was one of those people, like one of the first people that we saw in the younger generation, Sean Young, to like sort of crack

from the pressure of stardom and success. Just, whoo! Whoo! It's that fishbowl, man. She went crazy, yeah. It's that fishbowl. That fishbowl's no joke, right?

It's a weird thing man it's a weird i never funny shit ever man so like i'm having dinner i got my kids and stuff we had a table and uh it's a couple years ago and um we in houston and some guy comes it's like hey man big fan man can you uh take a picture of my baby and then puts his baby on a table whoa what the fuck are you like it's the weirdest shit ever man and people do weird stuff like that all the time it's put his baby on the table on the table like take a picture of my baby and i'm like dog get your baby off the table that's so weird yeah i mean you probably get it all the time people do weird shit yeah but that's that's a weird one clink here yeah take a picture of my

baby people like people like all like hold my baby like take a picture i'm like dog if i drop your baby do you know what kind of shit? I be I'm not holding your baby What is wrong? Why would you want me to hold your baby has no clue who I am like doesn't care people strange But maybe one's milk people are fucking strange I think the real least you were a young man when you experienced that the would but freaks me out as child stars I couldn't Cuz it's accused like you never get normalcy. No.

Like that fucks you up. There's no normal. Yeah. Ever. You never get it. Yeah. You were born famous. Like if you're famous

when you're seven. Do you remember before seven? I don't remember before seven. I think four is when I really started like okay I'm in the world.

Jamie you got any memories of when you were seven? seven few of like being at a babysitter and like maybe nothing real so if everything from seven on was fame it's a funny story my mom to this day dog she denies it right so i have this vivid memory i was three years old and i used to have a babysitter right across the street from my apartment complex that i used to go to i forget her name but one day i come into the room and there's paramedics i didn't know they were paramedics but there's paramedics and she's sitting or she's laying on the couch she was pregnant the whole time and i see her her belly split open whoa i saw a c-section at like three

or four years old my mom does not believe me to this day she's like there's no way you saw a c-section i'm like how do i know this like how do i and i didn't say anything at the time because i mean how did i know that didn't happen in every babysitter's place right no idea but like i saw it as a kid that was very bad they should have i'm not sure why they didn't take me out of the room like that's it's disturbing man but is it good for you to see like this it's just information right like nobody got hurt it seems like a crazy thing but it's how life gets into the world i just feel like if i was like cutting the belly open and i see a three-year-old i'm like you should probably leave the room just in case i don't know what it could have did to me right i don't know yeah i definitely wouldn't encourage a three-year year old to do it Like that I know would be good

Oh no it's good for the kid Yeah no he needs to see this information Let him see it Let him see it Get up close Billy Don't be a pussy Stop throwing up You're gonna make this place contaminated

Oh man Some girls do it just to keep their pussy tight Are you serious? Yep They're like I'm not taking any chances That is so selfish Or they're just like tight pussy Happy National Women's Day.

Look, they're like, listen, the kid's going to be fine. Debbie's son was born by C-section. He's fine. The kid's fine. That is crazy. That's a real thing? Yeah, it's a real thing. Yeah.

Aura? There was a thing they used to advertise. Joey Diaz used to have a joke about it, about vaginal rejuvenation. You know, they used to talk about that all the time. That was because it became a thing where they could tighten that baby back. Did you sew it? I don't know. You know everything else, bro.

I bet it's horrific. If you have a big thing and you have to make it a small thing, it involves cutting and stitching. And I would imagine it would be... That's a weird... That's a weird... That's a weird place to get cut open. Yikes! Couldn't do it. Woo!

Yeah. And then what happens after that? What if it's too tight? What if it doesn't work anymore? What if the doctor fucks up? Non-surgical 30-minute treatment. Thank God it's quick. It only takes 30 minutes.

That's what everybody wants. I can fix your pussy in 30 minutes. Where do I sign A quick and a better man Where do I put my credit card A quick and a better Imagine There's a 30 minute procedure

That tightens up your box And girls just are so lazy They don't go I don't have 30 minutes But Just 30 minutes That's all you have to do Are you saying

That it's not good No no no no no Baby baby It's amazing I'm not saying it's not good But you can make it perfect But you can make it perfect. But you can make it perfect. Why are you fucking around?

Like if there was a 30-second dick rejuvenation procedure where there was like a place that you could go and they could make your dick bigger. Vaginal rejuvenation. Learn more. Flying in? Yeah. They would have like flights out of Kennedy that were directly going there. Yo, good morning, America. Yeah.

It's a real thing. Yeah, look at it. I had no idea. Look at this. This is my favorite part. Did you know that you age in every part of your body? They're talking about old pussies. They just planted a thought in your head.

My dude, Patrice O'Neal, said, what did he say? He said, age like bread, not like wine. Hold on. Go back. Don't scroll scroll down look at the top paragraph here female wellness is just as important as taking care of your face what in the fuck does that mean i would agree yeah but what she's saying female wellness she's talking about having a tight pussy you gotta be like that you see a little bit man that's hilarious you gotta sell your product and you can't just be saying yo fix your box women Wellness. She's talking about having a tight pussy. You got to be PC a little bit, man. That's hilarious.

You got to sell your product because you can't just be saying, yo, fix your box, women. What business are you in? Female wellness. Female wellness. What does that mean? I fix pussies. Tighten them bitches up. Westside Aesthetics is introducing a revolutionary technology that rejuvenates the vaginal area

and remarkably restores women's confidence. Their confidence. That's a big part of life though, man. Sex is a huge part of life. Look at this shit. Thermova is a 30-minute non-surgical treatment

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without discomfort or downtime downtime from dick that's what they're saying where's the small print that is a small print I'm really concerned that while getting rejuvenated I can't take dick there's gotta be a Jamie go back, I can't take dick. Oh, no, baby.

There's got to be a... Jamie, go back so I can read more of that stuff. Yeah, this is crazy. It increases nourishment to tissues by stimulating blood vessel production and increases sensitivity by stimulating nerve regeneration okay that doesn't seem true because i've if everything that i've read about nerve regeneration is it is a very slow and tedious process no it is like if you get injured right yeah so my dad actually had we don't know sure what happened but he kind of lost a feeling in his arm he can't pinch nerve raise i think that's probably what it was.

But, like, it's slowly creeping its way. That was, like, two years ago, and it's slowly. He still struggles with it, but, you know. Slowly getting better. Yeah, slowly. It's a slow process, though. Real slow. Yeah, super slow.

My friend Bas Rutten, the former UFC champion, had neck surgery. It had something fucked up in his neck. And his arm shrunk to the point where he calls one arm his baby arm Atrophy and it's coming back now slowly, but surely but every time I see him like a year later It's like a little bit better. Yeah, you know, I mean it's like a multi multi year process Oh, and this guy was UFC heavyweight champion I mean he's a bad motherfucker in his prime and it got him to the point where his arm and it doesn't even grow back So you telling me they could just blast your pussy with some radiation and those nerves are

gonna go back why wouldn't they take that nerve pussy thing and put it on boss rutin's arm you know i have a female wellness on my arm yeah well it was embarrassing but to get my arm back i had to go to the female wellness center and get, I had to stick it in the vaginal rejuvenation machine. Hey, whatever works, though. Yeah, but if it did work, that's probably one of the first places they would use it on. There's a lot of things that we could use female wellness on. Just calling it female wellness is hilarious. Female wellness.

Definitely a cool term. How many women know what you're talking about? Like, if you talk about, like, women's health issues, you go, oh, abortion. You know, like, women's rights, oh, abortion. I know you're talking about abortion, but you say women's rights. Like, when it comes to, like, women's health rights or reproductive rights, we're really talking not just about birth control pills but also about abortion. So if you say women's reproductive rights, immediately people think abortion.

But if you say feminine wellness, don't think I think I think like breast cancer yeah that's what pops up in my head yeah I would say it's deeper than that they're rejuvenation they're using it in a weird way they kind of co-opted that term feminine wellness it's important bro it is important it is important sure confidence is everything man Sure. Confidence is everything, man. Confidence is everything. And if you know you got a rejuvenated pussy, this puts a sparkle in your eye that's no denying.

You need that pep in your step. Just the way she struts. I know she got the procedure done. I'm going to ask her. Don't ask her, bro. Girls get pissed. So what have you been doing with your spare time? You get your pussy rejuvenated

Or anything They will never admit it To the end of time No My mother's pussy's amazing She's 60 I'm just built like this Yeah

Everybody's pussy In my family's amazing We have amazing pussies Nah man Boy this fucking conversation Deteriorate There's just another word on here for just a pelvic exam Another word for a pelvic exam?

I just googled wellness or whatever Female wellness exam so it popped up See that makes sense Like a pelvic examination Checking you for issues Not tightening up your box I'm scared of that prostate thing that's coming Oh you already did it? The finger in the ass? Issues. Not tightening up your box. I'm scared of that prostate thing that's coming. Scary. Yeah.

Oh, you already did it? The finger in the ass? I had it for a physical. For a physical, they had to put a finger in my ass. All right. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, man.

Very uncomfortable. They just lube it up, stick it in there. Yeah, I'm dreading it, man. Yeah. For sure. It's weird. People have problems, though. You got to be...

That prostate problem is a real issue with people. How many people have ball cancer, prostate cancer? Yeah. My grandpa died from prostate cancer. Yeah, cancer scares the shit out of me. And what scares the shit out of me is our society, like, what we've created is so awesome. Like, being in the city is amazing. Being able to go to a restaurant is amazing.

Being able to fly in a plane, go across the country. Look, all of a sudden we're in Florida. It's all amazing. The food that we eat, the fact that we get food anywhere, the fact that you can go to Wendy's and just pull right in and get a burger. But how much cost is that on our biology, all that amazing stuff? How bad is it to be in a polluted area? How bad is it?

Well, life expectancy is actually the highest it's ever been, though. It's true. It's true. Because people have great medicine and procedures, and they catch things early. They're really good at treating cancer. But how good are we at recognizing what's causing that stuff? How much of it is diet?

How much of it is nutritional deficiencies in your diet? A lot of it. I think what is the number one killer is heart disease, isn't it? I think, yeah. I think heart disease, like, which is also connected to obesity in a lot of folks. Yeah. Is that the number one killer? Oh, cigarettes.

Terrible. The fact that that's still around. Yeah, that's crazy. When I was a kid, when I was like 15, I smoked a cigarette once with my sister. My sister, she kept smoking for a few years after that. But it was a couple friends. We just moved into this neighborhood. And I'm like, I'll try it.

And I was like, this is so crazy. Like, the fact that anybody wants to smoke this. Yeah, I tried it. That first pull, like, I felt like I was going to die. And you're voluntarily, and what are you getting out of it? You getting, like, a little buzz? Nah, really. A little bit, yeah.

You get a little bit of a buzz. That's why I don't understand some people who smoke cigarettes. I'm like, why don't you just smoke weed? Like, you actually get something out of it? You getting like a little buzz? Nah, really. A little bit, yeah. You get a little bit of a buzz. That's why I don't understand some people who smoke cigarettes. I'm like, why don't you just smoke weed? Like you actually get something out of it. Like cigarettes, you just sit there and die. But I felt you get like kind of an opposite thing out of it. Because with cigarettes, you get a, ah, fuck it feeling. Like I don't give a fuck.

Who gives a fuck? The fuck it. I've never felt that, man. No? That's what I got. I never got that. This article came out sorry like came out like seven days ago or earlier this month about building near freeways in la

look at this i'm not supposed to build within 500 feet of a freeway but i just definitely do la keeps building near freeways even though living there makes people sick are you one of the 2.5 million southern california's already living in the pollution zone. Wow. Yeah, when I pass on the 405 and there's those, look at this. Jesus Christ. People there suffer higher rates of asthma, heart attacks, strokes, lung cancer, and preterm births. Recent research has added more health risks to the list, including childhood obesity, autism, and dementia. Wow. Wow.

See, that's when you click that recent research button and see what they talk about. Boy. Yeah, there's apartment buildings like right off the 405 when you're driving towards like Santa Monica. And I'm like, that is like you're living right there. Especially in LA, man. Yeah. Y'all don't go nowhere. It's just like it's just 15 miles an hour everywhere, man. Choking in it. Do't go nowhere. It's just, like, it's just a 15-mile-an-hour everywhere, man.

Choking in it. Do you like living in Texas? No. No? No. Where are you going to settle? I haven't figured that one out yet. I was thinking around Denver.

I heard Denver was super dope, but I had a buddy. That's the spot. Yeah, I heard a buddy that just moved from Denver to LA, and he's just like, man, it's just dead over there. I got to be alive. Oh, he's just like, man, it's just dead over there. I got to be alive. Oh, he's crazy. I feel you, man. Dead.

Go to the mountains, bitch. Go see the mountains. He's not an outdoors dude. No? Nah. Well, it's definitely dead in terms of city action. It's nothing like it is out here. Denver's interesting, though.

Denver's had legal weed for a long time. Because they basically weren't arresting had legal weed for a long time. Because they basically weren't arresting people for it for the longest time. They had kind of said like a state or a citywide thing that they weren't going to arrest people. Like when I first came there, it's like I don't remember what year, but I've been working at the comedy works in Denver for a long time. And when I first went there, they were like, yeah, they don't arrest people for weed. I went, what? They're like, yeah, they pass some thing in the city where they don't arrest people for weed in the city.

I'm like, that's crazy, but this is Colorado. Like, I thought of Colorado as, like, cowboys, like, what do you think of Wyoming? Like, Republicans and real strict. But Denver was never like that. It's like a weird, it's a weird town, man. What's, I mean, you know a lot about this. It's like a weird, it's a weird town, man. What's, I mean, you know a lot about this shit. So what started the movement in Denver to go towards progression?

Well, I think the statewide movement of Colorado making marijuana legal and being the first state along with Seattle, along with Washington State, rather. I think Colorado people don't like people telling them what the fuck to do.'s a big part of it i mean they're rugged people you got to realize if you can if your family made it to colorado like in the 1800s or whatever you got some rugged genes is that deep oh yeah man those people move there there's a core group of people that settled in colorado during the gold rush. Manifest destiny. Yeah, man. When people came over and they wanted a homestead, get blocks of land, and you stay on it for a few years and you can get to own it. Yeah, man.

That shit all happened. And those were the gold rush people, man. Right. Right? I mean, wasn't that where Colorado was originally settled? Wasn't it? California was, right? California's the gold rush.

Yeah, California for sure. Why the fuck did people go to Colorado? That's what I have no idea. Well, Google when was Denver established. I'm going to guess. I'm going to take a guess. I'm going to say it was like the 1700s. No, I'm going to go after that.

1800s? 1800s? 1850? 1850. 1858. Holy shit. Perfect. That was really good.

That was pretty good, I bet. Very good. So shit. Perfect. That was really good. That was pretty good, not bad. Very good. So think about that. What kind of gangsters were traveling across the country at 1850? You know, you had to be a bad motherfucker to get across the country. If you live here, right, in California, the same thing holds true. Like the people that first got here like in the 17 1800s whatever it was and that first settled here but then everybody comes in here

and all the actors and it's just the gene pools watered down but in Denver that gene pools not watered down you got a bunch of people moves there right the original DNA is of just gangsters who came over here to try to make it in the wild west so that's interesting so you're saying the liberalism of the move from east to west and uh the gene pool of not giving a fuck that's interesting yeah it has to be that there's definitely something to it because if you think about it all the like the really like there's a giant group of immigrants on the east coast of this country and there's also like a hostility that's almost like ancient on the east coast of the country that's different from the hostility on the west coast that's true it's like an ancient sort of like shitty way people

get along with each other in new york and you could attribute it to the call it that yeah you could attribute it to the weather you know like you could attribute it to the overpopulation on top of each other yeah you could you could attribute it to that i think and both things could be possibly true but there's other spots like you go to canada and the wet the weather's horrible like toronto has crazy traffic and a lot of people and they're nice as hell i heard yeah i went to canada once they're so nice so nice so i don't know what it is but i I think it has something to do with the fact that the original people that came there were these hardscrabble people that were trying to make it by getting on a boat and traveling across the ocean to a land that they really didn't know much about. I mean, they might have known someone here. They might have had an uncle or family members, and they were going to try to settle.

I mean, those were gangster people. You have to be so – and then the people that were sick of those people like fuck this we're gonna keep going and they kept going west and then in 1858 they settled in denver i mean those were rugged people man so when you see that city there and that city is embraced by the rocky mountains so you have this constant natural beauty around you it's like a little bowl too yeah i mean and it's a bowl and you look out your window like if you stay in a hotel in denver you look out the window you're like whoa you see the rocky mountains you're like holy shit it's a real clean city too yeah like a super i was walking downtown and it's like they keep it up here they do yeah it's also

like you have to be a certain kind of person to be able to survive that winter. You know, you got to be the kind of person that can just fucking tolerate shit and still show up at work and get things done. You can't be a baby. Out here you could be a baby. Out here you could be like, I don't like to go out when it rains because all the oil on the road. It's like people don't know how to drive in it. It's like I'm not doing this. It's like I'm going to call in and I'm going to call in, and I'm going to say, in Colorado, they have to go to work on black ice. People are just sliding around on each other like bumper cars.

Fast Fury, Fast and the Furious in it. You ever hit black ice when you're driving? I've never hit black ice. I only like the cold, so I'm one of the whiny people. I don't want to be getting out, man. Well, you don't have to like the cold. That's the thing, man, especially a guy like you. If you've proven yourself so physically tough, nobody could ever say that the reason why you don't have to like the cold. That's the thing man, especially a guy like you you've you've you've proven yourself

So physically tough nobody could ever say that the reason why you don't like the cold is because you're a pussy No, no, I just don't like cold. Yeah, I'm definitely not a pussy. That's why I was fucking That's why I was a famous football player bitch. I'm not a pussy. I just not stupid. I don't want to be cold I don't get but see I also don't like being hot though. Yeah. Well you tell those people Why don't you just be cold. I just don't get it. But see, I also don't like being hot, though. Yeah. Well, you tell those people, why don't you just be cold all the time? If you're such a badass, why wear clothes? What? You need to be warm, you fucking pussy?

Oh, sometimes you need to be a pussy. But right now, you don't? Get the fuck out of here. Like, people who live in San Diego, like, one of the things that you'll talk to about, you know, if you know, I have a bunch of buddies who live in San Diego, and you ask them about it. Like, why do you live in San Diego? They're like, it's never shitty here.

Yeah, it's beautiful. The weather's perfect always. Why would you move? I went to high school down there. What part? Mission Bay. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, Mission Beach area.

You know what's the craziest part is La Jolla. They got a comedy store out there. That's different. And they got these mansions that overlook the ocean. Oh, yeah. And everybody's on pills. La Jolla is That's different. And they got these mansions that overlook the ocean and everybody's on pills. La Jolla is like, for sure.

La Jolla is like a different, it's a different area. Yeah. It's too much money. It's so much money out there, man. Yeah. There's too much money.

Whenever you get too much money in an area, it's just like, ah. Yeah, nobody knows what to do. Oh, they know what to do. Yeah, but they get crazy.

That's amazing. They start buying yachts and snorting coke. On the yacht? Yeah. Woo! They get crazy, right? Yeah.

I can't do the water either, though. That Coronado Island, that's a crazy rich island, right? White sand. Is there white sand? Yeah, man. White people and white sand. It's usually the case. Where there's white sand, there's white people.

White people go, this is ours. Plant the flag, Melvin. Hmm. where there's white sand and white people white people go this is ours plant the flag Melvin white sand to go with my white soul my white spirit yeah that Coronado Island there's a bunch of fucking like I think Donald Rumsfeld

lives there it's one of those places you know it's exclusive for sure yeah it's weird it's like away from San Diego you actually have to go yeah you can drive there though right you can drive you drive over some crazy bridge coronado bridge they probably have dynamite on the bridge just in case

fucking riots break out the peasants release the bridge boom it's so weird like the dog like the dogs out there they're so friendly everything is just it's weird well that was one of the things you said when you're talking about uh being able to take a wolf you're like i grew up with like stray pit bulls around i knew how to handle myself yeah i mean you had to you know what i'm saying like usually like sometimes you had to kick them and run or like kick them in the legs and they'd limp yeah you know what i'm saying so you had to had to maneuver sometimes sometimes i just used to outrun them uh it's tough but it's like i'm i'm new to the whole dog thing so i got a dog i got a husky i was i used to be like fearful of dogs like not fearful in the sense like i was scared it was

gonna kill me like i just didn't want to have to fight a dog like that's not it's not in me right that's a crazy thing enough to worry about like it was every bit i got i got bitten in the face when i was seven oh yeah so like my my uncle he was staying with us at the time and he had dogs and for like two weeks i never had a problem before i was like eight i never had a problem when I was seven. Ooh. Yeah, so, like, my uncle, he was staying with us at the time, and he had dogs. And for, like, two weeks, I never had a problem before. I was, like, eight. I never had a problem before, so I was walking back from school,

and all of a sudden, like, I walk up just happy, and I hear, and I was like, like, yo, it's me. Like, and you can't talk to dogs, so I was scared as shit. And so, like, I walk up,

and he just, wow, gots me. And ever since then... What kind of dog? Let me guess. German Shepherd. Yeah. Fuck, dude they bite kids man those dogs bite kids when i was a kid my aunt got bit by a german shepherd she got her face fucked up by a german shepherd um uh i know two or three other kids that have been bitten by german shepherds yeah it was weird man and so ever since then fuck man since then, I didn't fuck with dogs at all. Like, I hated them.

And then we had this one pit that, like, I swear after a while, it's like, dog, I walk by your fence every day, like, get it together, man. But, like, I used to run from him, run from so many different... You know what?

It probably became a game for him. Probably. Many different times you walked by and he still couldn't get you. Like, one day, this motherfucker's gonna come by and I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna figure my way through this fucking fence i'm gonna get him i got nothing else

to do this is what i found out about dogs so i finally was like i was 29 years old i was like i gotta get over this fear like i gotta get i just gotta get a dog and see what it's all about so i got a husky cutest little thing ever uh and after a while i started understanding dogs more and you understand that they're really only pieces of shit if their owners are pieces of shit. And so like the dog directly reflects its owner. And so now I understand like growing up in the neighborhoods I grew up, nobody has time or money to care for the dog like they should. So they're ornery. Yeah.

Just like the people. Yeah. Just like the people. Yeah. So as president, what's your first move? Remember, I'm not going to be your vice president, but I'll be like. You're going to be in my cabinet somehow. Do you watch House of Cards?

I haven't seen that. I heard it was a good one, though. I'll be like the dude who got fucked up by the hooker. You're going to be my Sean Spicer, man. But I won't be involved in any of that. No, Sean Spicer, that fucking dude, he has to take the hits. He has to go up there and say the bullshit that he knows is not true. That's what I need you to do, bro.

Oh, okay. You know what I do do, though? I'll let the people know. When I'm lying, I'll just wear a fake mustache. So I'll give the same press conference, and I'll have a fake mustache. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Put it on mid-sentence. The president has alerted me of this important news.

You know the first thing I'd probably do? I'd probably pardon people in jail for a week. Oh, yeah. It has nothing to do with me being here and you fucking with me. But it's like, it's such a problem. It's such a problem. Yeah. The president pardoned Chelsea Manning, right?

Didn't Obama pardon Chelsea Manning? I don't think he pardoned him. I think he commuted her sentence. So pardon means you're exonerated of any guilt, whereas commuted your sentence is just... So he's allowed to pardon a bunch of people though, right? Does he get like 20 pardons or something like that? No. There's a pardon the most, I think, ever.

There's a limit though? I don't think so. I don't think there's a limit. I thought it was like comps. Like, you know, if you work at a comedy club, you get 20 comps on Saturday night. My friends want to come to the show. They're good. Can you save table five?

He's at 1,927. Good for him. Whoa. Convicted of federal crimes. Wow. Good for him. Pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve. Wow.

No, he should have did... List of the people. List of the people. Click the list. Let's find out who the list are. He should have did Asada Shakur. Who's that?

Oh, that Tupac's mom? No. She was an activist back when the Black Panthers were rising. I think she got political asylum in, I think it was Cuba. I think it was the FBI was after her. This was when the Black Panthers were rising. And I think she got political asylum in, I think it was Cuba. And I think it was the FBI was after her.

This was when the FBI was treating the Black Panthers like a terrorist organization. And they were offing Huey P. Newton. And it was a big deal. And aside from that, I think she's still on the run. Whoa. Yeah. Where is she? I couldn't tell.

I think it's... Don't tell me. It's not Cuba. It's not Cuba. Don't say it out loud. She ain't talking to me. Don't find her. What's not cute. It's not cute. Don't say it out loud. Don't find her. What were they accusing her of?

That I couldn't tell you, man. There was a whole bunch of conspiracies back then. Do you remember when Obama was running for president and they found out that he was friends with a professor in Chicago that was one of the Weathermen? I don't remember that one. The Weathermen was a documentary that I watched. Duncan Trussell, my friend Duncan, called me up,

dude, you gotta see this. It was crazy. They were taking acid and robbing banks and having orgies together. And I was like, what? Obama? Well, no, it was the Weathermen. It was this group,

this radical group in the 1970s that was trying to overthrow the government and there was a bunch of crazy people and they were doing acid and one of them wound up being a professor one day here it is bill ayers and the night in the 2008 presidential election controversy so this guy was one of the members of the weathermen and he went from being you know essentially an anti-government terrorist to being a to being a college professor and uh was a college professor right what does it say here my eyes are way too shitty to read i was trying to read what it says i don't know if it confirms or denies but it was a big Yeah, it says here the Weathermen right there.

Is a committee heading the Weathermen starting at its creation the summer of 1969? It's a hippie movement, man. Well, yeah, sort of a hippie movement, but like a lot of hippie movements. We need another one of those. But like a lot of those hippie movements. Hold on a second. Claimed that those three members of the Weathermen who had died during the accidental explosion while assembling. Oh, they were trying to blow shit up, man.

Jesus Christ. It's like the Project Mayhem thing and Fight Club, that kind of idea. Yeah, they were trying to blow buildings up and shit. So he apparently knew Obama. So he was just like this real super radical lefty, probably did some time, got out, became a college professor. I mean did he go did he do time?

I'm trying to figure out the thing that how Obama was connected to him I think Obama just knew him you know it was like one of those things he brought him to Chicago yeah

Obama contacts with heirs crossed paths while biking in the same neighborhood or something like that yeah well what is that what's the big deal about that? I think there's more than that.

I think they had some sort of a cordial friendship and there was a concern that he was connected to a guy who used to be. But the guy was free now. What kind of mistakes have people made when they're 18 that you can exonerate them from when they're 50?

Isn't there a certain limit to the amount of time that you have to be you know that's it i mean can you be held responsible for some shit that you did when you're 18 that's tough that's the tough about the the the murder thing the weather underground that's what they call themselves that's not the weatherman the weather underground if you kill somebody at 16, 15 years old, like, life. Like, I'm not, it's just a tough subject. Yeah. You know, because I was having this argument the other day, like, how subjective morality is. And it's kind of all just based on.

Super subjective, right? Your life experiences and opinions. Well, how about war? Subjective. I mean, you're allowing people to go over and do it. And then you, you know then you salute them and say thank you for killing those people. I've always been super I've had cognitive dissonance about that.

Like it's because we've normalized it to the point where you hear casualty of war is a normal term. But those are like innocent civilians being murdered. Sometimes. Sometimes. And then there's the attitude that they have to die in order to serve the greater good

some casual observers have to accidentally be killed that's some collateral damage yeah that shit makes terrifying yeah it really is man yeah well and the idea is that if we don't do that we will lose whatever head start on civilization we have over the rest of the world. We could just start all over. How would we do that? I don't know, man. That sounds right. That sounds like something people say after they smoke pot.

It's real shit, man. Just start all over. I know. We should be able to, right? But how would we? What would we do? I feel like we got enough technology and enough smart people to just sit around and say all right man like this ain't working

i totally agree but we definitely have enough resources to feed everybody well we certainly are close i think we have yeah i mean it's a matter of figuring out where to put it and whether or not we should be eating the same shit we're already eating. Because, you know, if you look at all the different people that are living in this country eating corn products, just that alone, like, why is that the case? Like, why is corn in so many different things? It's not because it's good for you. It's not because we're doing the best job. It grows in abundance, right?

Well, you can grow massive amounts of it in these fields and the government subsidizes it and then it becomes a whole entangled sort of a system where the farmers are growing it. And if they didn't have a subsidy from the government, it wouldn't be profitable, but it is profitable. And then the government, they know that those places, they've got to count on those folks when it comes to elections and things along those lines. See, that's when it starts getting messy, man. Woo! It gets entangled. It gets messy, man. Yeah, so do we have enough to feed each other with the way we're eating now?

Yeah, for sure. But we shouldn't be eating the way we're eating now. So it's like, yeah, for sure we have enough food to feed people the way we eat now. All right. But we should be eating, like, at Whole Foods. Like, when you go to Whole Foods, it's like, oh, man, you got to be rich to shop here. Like, why is that? It's food.

Yeah. It's fucking real food, man, you got to be rich to shop here. Like, why is that? It's food. Yeah. It's fucking real food, you know? Organic shit. I don't really understand that whole thing either. Well, I mean, it just means they don't have pesticides on it, right? Well, everything is organic. Philosophically, you can make that argument.

Everything is organic. Even if we tamper with it, we're organic. We're from the earth. Poison is natural. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, everything that you make is made out of something on earth so anything that's artificial or chemical or whatever the fuck it is still made out of raw materials that are found here on earth oh i agree yeah i mean some organic food is uh better for you probably because it doesn't have chemicals on it and well the idea of GMO

is where it gets real weird because almost everything's genetically modified yeah my my stepdad's the one that hit me to that he's a geneticist oh yeah yeah PhD he actually he developed one of the first strands for the Tyson chicken and so he's like a badass dude making franken chicken yeah man so yeah what did he do what did he do mean, I couldn't tell you. He got a chicken to fuck a turkey. He gets residuals for it. That's what he did.

Yeah, I don't know what he did. But he tells us stories about how he, like, genetically modified. You can genetically modify chickens without feathers and all this stuff. What? Yeah, it's crazy, man. Oh, my God. Like, gene splicing shit is amazing to me. Have you heard of CRISPR?

Yes. That technology? Yes. Now, that shit is. So you open that Pandora's box of once you genetically modify a human, you can't go backwards. They've already started to do it with embryos in China. Really?

Yeah, they're starting to do it with non-viable human embryos. So they're taking non-viable human embryos and they're doing all these genetic experiments on them and altering their genes. But the thing is, what it is now is it's like the baby steps towards something that will probably be just, it's going to be standard maybe 100 years from now or whatever. I think that's the next step in our evolutionary history.

What is this, Jamie? It's a python breeder. Genetically bred python to have an emoji on it. Oh, my God. I'm'm seeing it i didn't see it it's got smiley faces all over it this is fucking insane how did he do that just breeding i think he said it took like eight generations of breeding and i can sell this it's like worth 4500 bucks as opposed to like the 40 it might have been worth initially that's amazing that's so cool that is so cool looking emoji pythons that's crazy and that's crazy because that's just done

through breeding like like how to make a husky out of a wolf you know that's done through breeding but there's you know what you're talking about with chickens that don't have any feathers like what brings up like serious science so it goes deep like to the point of like how far do you want to uh how far are the restraints of our of our humanity and what humanity is so if you genetically modify humans to the point where uh you take out the genes that is the cancer gene and you take out the genes of this and that and of that and to the point of we're living our health expectancy or the life expectancy goes up exponentially like is it would it be moral to not take those genes out of your kids you know what i'm saying this is a good question and then yeah the people that would be like look i know my kid's gonna have a disease but that's what

god intended like whoa yeah or and that's that's to me that shit is it going to have a disease, but that's what God intended. Like, whoa. Yeah. And that's to me, that shit is. It's crazy. But it's also debatable, right? I mean, the reason why. Yeah, that's the reason why they have that opinion in the first place. It's because like, I guess you could argue it, even if I don't agree with it. You could argue that opinion. And that's one of the weirdest things about people.

There's so much messiness to us when it comes to something like that, like some new technology, that's a crazy technology. You can make a super kid. You can make your kid seven feet tall, 400 pounds, solid muscle, runs through walls, or make him a little pussy. What do you want? You want your kid to be a pussy?

What if they only have two models? You know? What if you have a Prius or a Mustang Shelby? That's it. One of the two. What are you going to do? know? What if you have a Prius or a Mustang Shelby? That's it. One of the two. What are you going to do? Oh, I'll just take the Prius. My kid is just going to read a lot of books.

Fuck that. My kid is running through buildings. No, man. I'm going to take the Prius, man. Would you? Well, you already ran through buildings. Exactly. My opinion is skewed.

Yeah, you should probably write a book on how not to play football. That would be a good book. It might not be a bad book coming from a guy like you. People would definitely read it. Oh, for sure. If I had to do it again, I'd never play football. Yeah. Maybe that would be your book.

But see, you started when you were seven, man. How the fuck could you know? That's what I'm saying. Like, I had no... Whose idea was it? It was ours. I mean, my brother so just like it let's play football i mean it's fun you're a fan you're a fan of it as a kid yeah and

so it's fun playing sports is fun fun and it's fun to watch yeah and so but the camaraderie you got from it like i love the life experiences i got but it's just like i just feel like i have so much more to me than that and I just I don't say wasted because it was a it was a grand experience but I just put so much time into my life that ended in an instant you know what I mean and it just feels like a lot of I don't say wasted time but it just feels like a lot of things that I feel like could still be benefiting me to this day I think so too now I'm to say something that whenever I say it, people get mad at me. But I have to say it. You should start a podcast.

I should start a podcast. Fuck yeah. You definitely should start a podcast. Don't you think so, Jamie? People are like, fucking Rogan! Stop telling everybody to have a podcast! Interesting people should have podcasts. Your story is interesting. You know, the whole thing that you're doing right now is interesting. Trying to figure

out who the fuck you are at 30 years of age after being a famous football player and thinking you could fuck a wolf up with your bare hands. That's fascinating. It's not thinking. You just got to jump on it right now. You got to jump in a fight, man. No, I've thought about it. I've talked about it with some other people, but it's like, I don't know. You don't even have to do it, like, all the time.

You can do it whenever you want. Right. Like, people are under no obligation to get it every day. It's not like you're forcing them to, like, okay, look, I'm gonna sign a contract, you guys pay me X amount of money, I'm gonna do this every Monday. Do it whenever you want. You do it on your phone. I'll show you how to do it on your phone. It's fucking easy.

I got a laptop, man. We can... But, I mean, if you're somewhere, I'm saying if you're somewhere. Yeah, like, right now, if we wanted to, I could set my phone down here, press the voice recorder, and I'm telling you, it sounds good. Like this idea that you need a lot of equipment to do a podcast, not really. I mean, it sounds better. You keep killing the game. Step one, step ahead of the freaks.

I walked in the building, I'm like, this is just for podcasts. That's crazy. Well, just wait until the next one. After we build Studio Dose. I got to come back, man. Yeah, for sure. Freak Party World Headquarters. We're having it constructed right now.

Freak Party World Headquarters. Freak Party World Headquarters is where the next building is going down. That's good praise, man. You're one of the best doing it for sure, man. Well, thanks, man. You can do it for sure, 100%. You can do stand-up too. If you want to do that, you can do that.

I'm going to give it a go, man. There you go. I got it. I like it. The stand-up thing. I don't know about the podcast. Well, Brendan Schaub's doing it. My friend Brendan Schaub, he played.

What did he play for? He got to. He played preseason with the Bills, I think, as far as I know. And he fought in the UFC. He was on the Ultimate Fighter, and he fought in the UFC. He had some big wins in the UFC. Now he has a podcast. a real successful, two podcasts, Fighter and the Kid, and he does this thing called the Big Brown Breakdown

where he goes over all the different fights that are coming up. So he went, and now he's doing stand-up. So he went from fighting, like deciding as an athlete, like he was getting towards the end of his run, left fighting, and then now is way more successful doing his podcast and doing standup and doing live podcast shows. So he could do it. And you talk way better than him.

No offense, Brent. Man, I appreciate it. He's like, what the fuck, bro? You threw me under the bus. I was kidding. He's a funny dude, man. Brent is really funny. He says hilarious shit.

But you could do it too, man. I'm telling you. The beautiful thing about podcasting too is that you don't have to be anything. You could be funny or you could be smart or you could be interesting. It's whoever you are. And just like that stupid box on the ground at the L.A. County Museum of Art. Some people might like that. Some people might like that.

No matter who you are, I'm not saying that you would be that box. Metaphorically, you are an amber box in your own right. I should have gone with hot food because I'm a hot food fan. I'm not a fan of that box, but I'm saying some people fucking hate hot food, right? I don't understand those people.

Yeah, man. You bring some people hot food, they freak out they like like mashed potatoes that's what they like mashed potatoes and boiled chicken boiled chicken i like boiled chicken disrespectful no no no soup chicken soup is boiled chicken you gotta grill it at least first and then just throw it in when it's done man no i'm gonna cook like you i've seen you you'll be i cook yeah you Yeah. I cook a few things. Do you, Lord? But the, yeah. Where did that come from?

That's the thing that's sprinkled. Salt Bae. Salt Bae. Yeah, I'll look at it. I'll show you. Listen, here's what's crazy. That picture has been redone. Think about all the images on the internet.

It's a beautiful place. And this one dude who's like, what is he doing? You saw the original? No, I didn't. This is the original. This is the guy. He's like a cook in Turkey or somewhere. Yeah, he's in Turkey. I thought he was in Bali or something.

Yeah, I don't know. I kind of just made up. So he's cutting this steak, and he's doing it with all this flair. And every time he cuts it, he slaps his knife on the table. But he does it with so much swag. Yeah. He's slicing through the—I bet this guy gets so much pussy wherever he lives. It's not even close.

Right? Because this is part of the—I mean, this is like the Latin lover romantic chef character. That's the last part here. That's the, yeah. So he gets to the end. Look at that swag. He could just lay him out, but he. Yeah.

And then he takes this. There it is. He throws some, he sprinkles some salt on it. That became that one thing. A guy sprinkling salt became a meme that just kept over and over and over again. You know what it was, man? It was black Twitter. Was that what it was?

Black Twitter. Black Twitter is probably the most, there needs to be a documentary about that. There should be. Because it pushes so much of our culture. It's the funny. Black Twitter does. Black Twitter does. Jamie says that people steal from black Twitter and they do it on like a Tonight Show.

Movies. Not Tonight Show. All the time. TV show. SNL. SNL. SNL steals from black black twitter and they do it on like tonight show movies not tv show all the time like um tv show SNL SNL steals from back all the time all the time that's not good it's so it's just hashtag black twitter you just gotta look for it so there's certain i can't even 100% explain what it is but someone's gonna help me i got you man so how about this i'll give you i'll give you like five or six accounts to follow and you're gonna get a feel for okay and then I follow accounts that those people interact with yeah and then you see like so a lot of the content that you see you know the Jordan cry face me yes like Twitter it's like they move culture man I say a week cuz I'm on Twitter and I'm

black so I partake it's ignorance at a very high level but there's brilliance involved. It's the coolest shit. What's the brilliance? The humor? The humor. Yeah. I mean, as you know,

any kind of, like a lot of humor is intellect. Wit is intellect. And so, the brilliance that comes from that is just the funniest shit.

Alright, I'm gonna check it out. Jamie's very well educated in black Twitter. You know about black Twitter then? Oh, he's so. He buys Yeezys See I can never get them

Well Jamie has to go online Yeezy's not on Black Twitter No he's not If he was Yeezy's been ousted He'll be rough That's my dude though man Well they ousted him

And then he immediately Started producing An anti-Trump record He recognized What the fuck went down Oh really He deleted all his Pro-Trump tweets

All of them are gone There you go And now he's producing some anti but he hired he got another rapper like hey man how about you do this song so he's helping the dude he felt it he felt it yeah he felt it dude he's he's up there on a platform hovering over people saying he would have voted on trump yeah that's crazy uh that no song no songs proper that's propaganda Trump. Yeah, that's crazy. No song. No song's propaganda. It's propaganda. It's propaganda. Yeah. That's what he says. He did delete his tweets, I think.

It's fake news. I bet it's not fake news. I bet nobody wants to talk about it. That is reconsidering. I bet Donald trolled him out. Kanye! Kanye, I thought you liked Trump! I thought you loved Trump!

I'm not producing anti-Trump songs. Propaganda. I guess it was called propaganda, but he didn't produce it. Did he have anything to do with it? I don't know. How did he? Okay. I think there's a bunch of but he didn't produce it. Did he have anything to do with it? I don't know. How did he? Okay. I think there's a bunch of white people scrambling right now.

We need to keep this money flowing, Kanye. Kanye. Kanye. That's usually the case, man. Listen, man, this has been a lot of fun. I really appreciate you coming down here. I'm glad we did it. I'm glad it all came out of something silly.

And props to Neil Brennan for setting this up. And thank you, brother. Appreciate it, man. It was really fun. And I hope you do a podcast. I would listen. You got to come Brennan for setting this up. And thank you, brother. Appreciate it, man. It was really fun. I hope you do a podcast. I would listen. You got to come on there.

I'm on a hundred percent.