The Joe Rogan Experience - #934 - John Dudley

Episode Date: March 22, 2017

John Dudley is a pro archer and host of "Nock On TV." Check out his podcast "Nock On" available on Spotify.

Get right. Four, three, two, one. Ah, and we're live, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go, champ. Shout out to Shannon the Cannon Briggs. Shout out to the Flat Earth. Shout out to young Jamie for being a newfound believer. And shout out to John Dudley. Thanks for having me back, brother. My brother. Thanks for coming with me, man. We have fun.

We just got back from a wild pig hunt, ladies and gentlemen. So if you're super not into killing animals, super not into eating animals or hearing people talk about eating animals, now is definitely the time to shut this one off. I get it. We'll talk about, I'm sure we'll talk about fitness or something good about food for sure. Archery, life. Beverages. Yeah, health.

I ate nothing but garbage over the last two days. Just straight garbage. And good food too. Like they cook good for us there. Yeah. But I ate corn, no, not corn flakes, raisin bran. So sugary. It was delicious.

Dude, you murdered the junk food. I literally did. I thought I was in like, I don't know. I thought I was in a frat house there the way you were going through Raisin Bran and Fritos. I'm a mess. No, I didn't have Fritos, but I had Lay's potato chips. Like potato chips. I did knock down.

I knocked down a pack of Cool Ranch Doritos They weren't how I remembered them when I was when I was like 11 and those came out They were the greatest thing of all time. They were I don't know something happened to them You know what? I think as you get older When you're a young kid and you eat something terrible for you like a ding-dong or ring-ding, you know those things They see they feel so good when you're eating them they feel so good like the idea that you could just take that white plastic

wrapper rip it open and that chocolatey delicious hockey puck with the cream inside of it was there oh you didn't give a fuck about your health you're like i'm gonna eat this thing right now and you get so excited but as you get older and we talked about that this weekend you you kind of recognize what's happening when you do something more like you're more in tune with like what nutrients you're putting in your body and what what their effect has on you oh yeah big time and you start to it's funny how your taste buds change i recently started liking onions and didn't and mushrooms and they were the only two things i did not like at all you remember when you were asking me about the morels you couldn't believe

that i didn't like morel mushrooms yeah i actually had some mushrooms in a um some type of an oriental dish and also i'm like what the heck it tasted for the first time when I tasted a mushroom it didn't just taste like mush. It literally had a flavor. So I've included them on my meals like if I'm at a steak restaurant or something. And I genuinely are liking the taste of mushrooms now. How weird. Like your taste buds shifted.

I think it happens all the time. Our boy Harry, he just all of a sudden out of nowhere started really liking green peppers. Whoa. Out of nowhere started really liking green peppers. Whoa. Out of nowhere. It's a mystery. It is a mystery. I've always wondered, like, when people enjoy something that's really strange, like in Iceland,

they have this really bizarre pickled shark that is supposed to be atrocious for everybody but people from Iceland. Well, it sounds like pickled herring. No, it's something way more intense. is supposed to be atrocious for everybody but people from Iceland. Well, it sounds like pickled herring. No, it's something way more intense. It's supposed to be like really intense. Like it's a fermented shark. It's like a fermented. See if you can find it, Jamie.

It's supposed to be disgusting. I mean, what do you think when you hear blood pudding? Are you in or out? I'm out. See? And there's people. I've got friends in england that love they love blood pudding well i've eaten it over there in the sausages you know like blood sausages i've had that they love it though we have our ordain on eating icelandic

delicacy fermented shark never again anthony bourd had, if he had to go there to try that. If he says never again, then it's never again. Oh my God. Did he? It's interesting because people have shifted how they feel about sharks. I like shark. I've had shark. I have as well. I've had Mako.

But people have shifted how they feel about it. What is this? Right up there with airplane food and Nambian warthog rectum, according to TV show. He's hilarious. That's so funny, man. What a weird thing. So they figured out some way to make shark

taste just disgusting and they like it. They really enjoy it. If they want to claim it, we'll give them that. I know, but what the fuck is going on in their head? I just would love to see We assume that you taste things the same way I taste things. That can't be the case because I like things that people hate. I like certain hot foods that some people just despise.

How the fuck do I know what they're experiencing? That's very weird. One time Sharon and I were out to Fuddruckers, the hamburger place, and her mom was there. were out to Fuddruckers, the hamburger place, and her mom was there. And we were doing the machine, and Sharon's like, she was putting in like the cherry part of cherry Coke because you select your flavor. Right. So she literally made this cherry Coke, and her mom's like, what was that?

And she goes, cherry Coke. Have you never had cherry Coke? She's like, oh, my God, that's disgusting. While she says that, she didn't have her glasses on. She literally pushes cherry Coke, and she filled her cup with Cherry Coke. So Sharon and I kind of just looked at each other and did this. We went back and sat down, and she was like, she went through her Coke like that. So she was just staring?

She didn't know it was Cherry Coke? No. When we were doing it, she asked because she saw the red. But when she did it, she didn't have her glasses. So she selected that one anyway. So yeah, about halfway through the meal, she's like, oh, isn't that Coke just so good here? Because she's from England. And we said, yeah, it was cherry Coke. But she was totally standoff because she couldn't mentally put together cherry and Coke because she had never tried it.

Maybe that's what it is. When people say, oh, I hate venison, have they ever really had venison or at least venison worth eating? Most people probably haven't. I think it's probably really hard to get someone to do it right. It's not commercially available. It's probably people have done it poorly, available it's probably um people have done it poorly and then you get that weird uh like prejudice that a lot of people have of it being gamey like quote-unquote gamey yep so untrue we um we have a a big yeti out in the back of the vehicle loaded with very fresh organic

swine yeah wild Yeah, wild pigs. Wild pigs are one of the weird ones that people, some people are going to get upset if you hunt anything. But if you hunt wild pigs, like I have a very good friend who's an agent. It's a very nice person. And we were talking about hunting things. She goes, dude, do you hunt pigs? You can hunt pigs. They're ugly.

Yeah. And she loves animals. She goes, dude, do you hunt pigs? You can hunt pigs. They're ugly. Yeah. And she loves animals. She loves them. But her immediate response was like, fuck those pigs. It's weird. It's weird. Like that animal gets no, it's so invasive and people recognize it for some reason. Like the way you look at it.

I don't want to say that I don't have love for them. I think it was cool even looking at them. We saw a lot of cool ones. They're brilliant, too. It's fascinating. I mean, I was amazed at how smart they were. It's fascinating. Look at that.

Did you send them that picture? I put that on Instagram. Oh, yeah, that's awesome. I didn't even see that. My cell phone didn't work out there. So this is actually a female pig that you and Steve stalked in on. I was filming right where I'm standing. And you guys got so close and you could hear piglets kind of squeaking.

So you actually, didn't you stand up with your camera and take a picture of the nest and everything? Yeah, I did. And it stood up like 13 or 14 feet in front of us. It was so close. It was so close. It was really close. It was like, whoa. You kept your cool. Most people would lose it right there.

Because they, I mean, you know the damage. For those of you who don't listen or who are listening and don't know, a wild boar is extremely dangerous if they want to be. extremely dangerous if they want to be their cutters on their bottom teeth because they they pop their teeth and when they do it they actually file that noise is them filing their cutters and have you ever felt the inside of a big boars cutter i mean it's it's literally like a knife you know and they when they come by i mean one little hit on the inside of your leg and that's I mean one little hit on the inside of your leg and that's Fatal potentially it's a beast of an animal. They're enormous What's really crazy is that they were brought here a lot of it was by that William Randolph Hearst guy

That kooky bastard So crazy the William Randolph Hearst guy who is the guy that citizen Kane is kind of based on right? Orson Welles' masterpiece, Citizen Kane, was based on this crazy guy who also, coincidentally, is the guy who campaigned to make weed illegal. He was the guy that owned Hearst Publications. And so he had this idea in his head, this is the story, was that hemp, they started to make paper out of hemp. And he was threatened. And there was like a popular science magazine that said hemp, the new billion dollar crop. Because he owned like these fields of hemp, or excuse me, these fields of trees that they used to make paper out of.

He owned paper mills and he owned newspaper. He owned paper mills and he owned newspaper. So apparently his fear was in converting everything to paper, he would lose millions of dollars on all his traditional trees that they used for paper. So he started printing stories about marijuana being this terrible thing and that Mexicans and black men are raping white women. And people went, what the fuck is this plot? We've got to stop this right now. And so they made the prohibition on marijuana, and it happened directly as a result. That's the conspiracy theory of him wanting to stop a competitor in the paper business.

So it's so hilarious that this one crazy fuck also brought over a bunch of wild boars and just let them run loose so he could shoot them. Yeah. Well, now Texas is, well, most of the South Central U.S. is just overrun with them. People don't know. And it's like a giant rat. It's like, I mean, I'm not thinking. Probably worse. There's nothing wrong with, we have categories and categorizations of animals. Nobody minds if you kill a bug. But you get to a certain size thing. Rat traps, okay you got to do what you got to do yeah you get bigger than a rat and people go hey what the fuck are you doing right there's something weird you get to

like pigs and people go why are you killing pigs what's funny what you said about coming into hunting what their acceptance level was and it seems like for sure things that we perceive as like ugly pigs, like turkeys look that way. You know, their heads are kind of, they don't look that cool when you look at them up close. They have good color. But anyway, it seems like turkeys and pigs, and even if you bowfish, those are are like entry level i'm shooting something that people

that's kind of the segue is turkeys or hogs sharon my wife is from england had never hunted my boy had never hunted their family had never been around hunting so when they came here it was a whole new perspective of how many wild animals are in you know one in society we almost hit several with our car when we lived in wisconsin and then they just started you know they would just destroy any hopes of a garden that we would have so sharon started going out and filming me on some hunts and one time we were in on a hunt in Illinois and this doe comes running in her tongue's hanging out three bucks come behind her and these bucks are like she's literally trapped between three bucks and she's you know she's just wanting to get away her tongue's

hanging out she's not ready yet but there's three horny bucks there and she's just sitting there it's obvious they had been running most of the day and then two bucks started fighting one buck came in kind of you know ended up kind of scooting her with his horns and then they were just running her ragging and sharon's like is that what the rut's like and i go yeah the males literally just run the females until they're like have no choice but i have to breed right now and then it happens and then they're like on to the next lady so she said crazy process when she watched it she said so she goes if i were to get into deer hunting because at that time the only thing she had shot was a turkey and then she hunted um a wild hog and she goes so if i go hunting for deer and i

decide to do it she goes i would only want a buck and i said all right you know i was i was glad she had an open mind to it and she's like i feel like i'd be helping helping a sister out she kind of said it in a funny way that That's hilarious. She goes, that is like your friend at the bar, and she went up to get two of you drinks, and now there's three dudes that will not leave you alone, and you can't get back to your normal life. And she's like, I feel like I'd be helping a sister out. And I'm like, yep, that's what you'd be doing. I don't think people who live in cities have any idea of how many deer there are now. If they went through Iowa, like people who went through your area, they would be like,

what the fuck? It's like every mile or so you're seeing these packs of deer. Well, how many just ones did you see on the side of the road that people had struck? Yeah, quite a few. many just ones did you see on the side of the road that people had struck? Yeah, quite a few. You know, and not everyone is lucky enough to just hit a deer and that's it. And you go to the repair shop and they fix your bumper. Did I ever tell you about my dad? No. I didn't. My dad spent many years going through orthodontics because he always wanted perfect teeth, but he never had, like, the right type of— Oh, you did tell me this. Yeah.

Never had the right type of, like, insurance and stuff to do it. So finally we get later in life. He's in his right—I think he went—started braces when he was, like, 35, and he finished at, like, 40. Wore the retainer for two years, like, everything. He wore the retainer for two years, like everything. Next thing you know, he's driving down the road, and he hit a Honda Civic. Driving down the road, a buck runs out in front of the road. He hits it.

The body of the deer comes through the windshield into the passenger seat. The horns came in and hit him right in the teeth. So he's got like, I don't know if it's two. Every now and then he'll snag in front of me and pull the ones out. But yeah, it was like, it was the worst thing because all he ever wanted was perfect teeth. And like, as soon as he had them right there in his hand, this crazy buck decides to commit suicide and jump through the window of his Honda. But the reality is that, I mean, that's what it's like. I forget the numbers.

I was working on a book to try to introduce some people in Europe to bow hunting. I wasn't trying to get it necessarily legalized. I was just trying to give information on why hunting in the U.S. is something that people at least need to keep an open mind to on why it's necessary. And I was trying to write a book and granted, for those of you who are listening, who aren't familiar with Joe and I, our relationship, I shot competitively for a long time. I shot with the U.S. archery team. I did a lot, a lot of miles throughout all of Europe. So a lot of my friends were really sensitive to the fact that I was also a hunter. And then obviously I met my wife on a plane to France. All of our family

there is obviously from Europe. So this is a subject to where I've tried to, you know, explain it the way that I'm explaining this now. And, you know, there's such a difference between areas that really need that as part of, I mean, it is population control. Look at how many we were gone. We were probably hunting, what, 16 full hours? Yeah. And how many hogs do you think we saw, including the little ones, which will all be breeding within six months, right? Every baby we saw right now can be breeding in six months.

Is that right? Yeah, six months. They can do it twice a year, right? So we saw at least that one sow that you stalked on. She had maybe eight, right? Little guys. And then when we went out at dark that time, how many? We saw a ton of them.

Oh, my gosh. We saw a ton of them. Let's just say we saw 30. Yeah. Total. At least. So within 60 days, any of those, or six months, any of those females will be able to breed, and then they're having six to eight to ten. It's a weird animal, man.

It's a weird animal. It doesn't seem like it belongs there. It's really strange. Because it's an invasive species, you see how it's unbalanced. They just make babies and go and make babies and go, and you've got to, whoa. The Dajon Ranch keeps a wrap on it. Yeah. But some places

where they get away from like a ranch environment, which is kind of ironic because like in some places like San Jose, which have never had a problem with wildlife at all, other than the occasional deer,

they're getting wild pigs. Yeah. And once they get in, man, woo, you got giant fucking animals. I mean, it's a totally different kind of it's not like a squirrel it's this big ass animal it's running around eating people's yards well when they were brought here people had them on their farm to have a continual replenishment of food it's not like they were growing them to say we want to have this massive pig farm

they were growing them is that you know pigs were great because you could eat on them continually throughout the you know throughout the whole year right and they continually reproduce but once they go out into the wild and there isn't a family that's utilizing that you know small batch of hogs or chickens or whatever is then they just go crazy yeah really crazy i mean what a what a bizarre animal to invade into an ecosystem. A pig. They're just so powerful. Like we look at them in a weird way. You know, they have like that bad reputation because, you know, when someone calls someone a pig, like if you call a person a pig, it's like one of the worst things you can say to a person. It is. I thought of it that way. I mean, if you call a person a pig it's like one of the worst things you say to a person it is i mean if you call someone a monkey doodles yep i'm the fucking dumb monkey that's me i'd say that you know if you called some someone a gazelle they'd be psyched right i would dude you are a

gazelle they'd be like yeah you think yeah yeah yeah you're an animal that gets jacked by lions what would i be What's my animal? If you were going to avatar, what's my animal? You'd probably be some sort of primate, some large primate, like maybe an orangutan, something along those lines. Really? Did you ever see that movie? Which was the stupid movie where- They're overweight.

They kind of just sit there. It's one of my favorite kettlebells, that orangutan. Yeah. I love that guy. He's got a good face. He's got a really good- Yeah, he does seems like out of all the primates that's the one that would fuck with you the least

be like what's up dude how you doing i guess if i was the big guy that was actually just kind of soft which one would freak you out the most of primates well i was gonna give you a silverback but now that you say that i would say if i had to fear one thing of the primates i don't know it could be like a freaking if baboons are bigger they could be pretty i mean if a baboon brain and temperament was in a silverback holy crap that would be a monster oh we had this discussion if like some of these animals that are just this is what's weird people think we don't like animals because we shoot them we actually appreciate them more like i really think about i have so much respect for grizzlies you know and brown bears and then i see something like a silverback and

the strength of those things i think if if this was a society where everything, like, fought for its turf and those two met, I mean... Yeah, it's a... You think... What's interesting is there used to be bigger and bigger animals than them. Yeah. And they died off. Yeah, what we can relate to. The dinosaur thing would have been...

That would have been so cool. What about the short-faced bear? You ever hear about that thing? Uh-uh. I haven't seen that. The short-faced bear was this enormous bear that lived in North America. Apparently it was fucking huge, bigger than a polar bear.

Ferocious predator died out somewhere around, I think they think 10,000 plus years ago. Which ain't shit. That's not that long ago. Am I right about that? Or is it 100,000 years? It might be 100,000 years. How big was that thing? It looks like a cat face.

Yeah, it was an enormous, enormous bear. But do be 100,000 years. How big was that thing? Jesus, it looks like a cat face. Yeah, it was an enormous, enormous bear. But do they know that's the face? Yeah, no, it's the bones. This is what we think about. No, it's the skull. It had a totally different face. That's the size of it? Yeah. Isn't that amazing? So, would they not know that was a polar

bear? Well, a short-faced bear has a different skull. That's what it looks like. But it was bigger than a polar bear. It's like the biggest bear ever, by far. They were fucking huge. But that's my point. It's like shit can just keep getting bigger and bigger. It competes.

And then look at people. People are bigger now than they've ever been before. Throw a lion mane on that sucker. Yeah, dude. You'd have something. Look at that. That looks like the predator. Look at the face on that thing.

That's an enormous super bear. That's right on an avatar. Fuck that. So the idea was that that- What's the biggest wolf? Do they have like a wolf we haven't heard of? Dire wolves? Weren't they the biggest?

That thing, that short-faced bear, there's this guy named Dan Flores, and he believes that that short-faced bear, and apparently a bunch of other people that studied the migration of people into North America, they believe that short-faced bear might have been one of the barriers. And it was so ferocious and so fierce. Could you imagine if you were a dude and his family and you're walking from Asia to the United States and you see one of those motherfucker of motherfucker bears. You'd be like, what in the fuck am I doing here? An enormous bear.

So that's what you're saying for the border? That's what we need everywhere. Cages for keep to ourselves. Guard the borders with giant wolf dogs. Oh, my gosh. That thing, it's so much bigger than a polar boy vampire werewolf if I was an underworld It's a good call vampires of vampires 24-7 see werewolves have to become werewolves and then they have to go back

Leaves you vulnerable somebody jacks you when you're not a werewolf It's like you're a bully for a couple nights out of the month. And the rest of the month, you're a pussy. Right? That's really what the werewolf is. There's a lot of people like that. And a werewolf would be a really weird one if it was real. Can you imagine if we had to find out who the werewolves were and you have to make an ethical choice? Do you kill them when he was a person?

Or do you lock him up for a couple days a year because it's not his fault? I don't know. A vampire would be pretty cool i guess they say that mathematically it's not impossible it's not possible if vampires couldn't exist because there'd be no people left yeah there's a certain amount of time yeah there'd be no people well that's that's a very logical way to put it yeah it makes a ton of sense because you would infect someone see you and i would like someone else you and i would like it because the older we get, the more we really realize what makes us happy and what we like to do. So imagine if right now you knew, dude, I'm 50, but who cares?

Who cares? I know exactly what I want to do. We could all be like 1,000. JRE's still happening because you're just endless now. You know what I mean? I definitely don't know what you mean. I lost you somewhere in the middle of that. No, you were just saying mathematically for years that you would live.

I'm just saying for you and I, we enjoy our life. For some people that I know that don't enjoy their life, that would be a nightmare. The fact that they had to keep going and keep going. I'd be pretty pumped. I think the thing about vampires that wouldn't work is mathematically if you're a vampire and you bite Jamie, Jamie becomes a vampire and he bites somebody else. And you have to bite a person a day. Whereas the werewolf, it's only a couple nights a week where you're an asshole.

If there was a cage and you're like, I feel it coming on like you know if a woman was like oh my god i know my period's coming the guy would be like we're getting really close to the full moon i'm gonna go check myself in you check yourself in one of those big ass steel cages and then you turn into a werewolf for a couple of days you chill out you could and maybe if you don't like if you you're locked up in a cage maybe it's like fasting. You know, when you're fasting, your body sort of starts burning fat. You lose your appetite. You calm everything down.

Maybe that's what it's doing. I've been doing that. We can do that with werewolves. I've been doing that. Not to change subject. We can talk werewolves more. Pull up that Irish elk, Jamie. Remember when I told you about that thing?

Yeah. That thing's cool, too. I wish that was back. That's a crazy-looking animal. I mean, the short-faced bear. Fuck that short-faced bear. Thing scares the shit out of me. That thing scares the shit out of me.

I don't think people understand how big it is. It's so much bigger than a polar bear. It's essentially a real monster, a real live monster, and was most likely ferociously carnivorous. Would you, if that thing was still alive right now and out in random parts of the wilderness, would you hunt? An Irish elk? If it was a viable population?

No, no. I'm still talking about the short-faced bear. No, I wouldn't be in the woods. No. Because we've talked about- No fucking way, man. I have a hard enough time with wild pigs, dude. I'm freaking out.

What are you doing? I'm freaking out. There's no way. I'm just thinking. If I was a kid. You guys missed it. And you went through the woods. If I was a kid and I went through the woods with my buddies and we encountered a short-faced bear and it ate one of my friends.

Just right in front of you. You'd be like, that's a monster. Yeah, well, it would be for sure. I'm just saying, I know that when you and I talked about Hawaii, I said I would love to learn to surf from Shane Dorian. And you said I'm not surfing because of the sharks. It's monster soup. It's the same.

It is the same. It's monster soup out there. They can go fuck themselves if people are crazy. All you people. So you wouldn't hunt if there were short-faced bears. Fuck that. I'm freaking out by pigs, man. I can't believe how close we got to those pigs.

Some rogan experience follower that's a genetic specialist is probably going to construct one of those suckers just so you don't hunt anymore. I don't think it would work that way. They're really wasting their energy if they put it towards that. There's certain animals, though, that have to freak you out. You have to respect them. We were talking about all the different encounters that people have had where they were bluff charged by grizzlies. Oh, yeah. We were talking about that this weekend.

Yep. And Steve Rinella, my good friend and the host of the amazing podcast Meat Eater and television show Meat Eater was, they were on this hunt and they got charged by these grizzlies. It's a mama bear and her cubs and it's a full on charge. And this thing is big. I mean, I don't know how big is it, 400, 500 pounds? Oh, they're bigger than that. How big was she? Was it a brown bear or a mountain grizzly?

It was a grizzly. Like mountain grizzly? Yeah, it could have been 600 maybe. Whatever it was, it was so big. It was so big and it was covering ground so fast. Oh, yeah. Like when you see them run and you realize how big they are and how fast they move. Do you know how fast they are?

From like zero to their top speed? They're almost equal to a dirt bike. What? I think they can run 40. Oh, my God. They can go, like their torque ratio is very fast. So if they're running, they're going to catch you. Oh, my God.

I think if one was within 20 yards and then started like with full intent to come i think you would think about turning and you would get maybe two strides and that thing that thing's giving you the leonardo dicaprio god damn jesus christ yeah look up that what is the speed of those things you know adam green tree he encountered one when he was in montana he had shot an elk and he was packing the elk out by himself he was deep in the back country by himself yeah that was i think it was 12 plus miles in right something like that yeah he's crazy off adam adam's an animal so he goes in there he he shoots his elk i was wrong 45 oh it's even faster it's even faster what's like speed that's speeding on the residential street yeah you couldn't go through a school zone on a grizzly

go zero to 45 times so adam's packing this grizzly excuse me packing this elk out that he shot by himself i mean he went there with an archery tag. It was in an over-the-counter unit. It was in like 12 miles into public land. Amen, public land. And he packed it out himself, which if you know the numbers, it's got to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 pounds of meat. Right?

Well, depending on if he deboned it or not. Yeah, it would be days he had that other his friend of his it works for uh trophy taker right yeah grant grant and he helped him carry it out after a while actually i had just left montana i went to montana and hunted eastern montana for muleys but for my for my elk tag it was only in a general unit, so I had to come back. I literally left Montana and drove home to see Sharon for two days to then drive back. And when I was driving home, I was following Adam's Instagram story of him packing that sucker. I was – like, if I didn't have a wife at home, I was this close to just texting him and saying, where are you, dude? Because I was going to

come help him out. Well, he could definitely get people to do that for him. That would be a cool thing, too. People would love to go meet Adam Greentree and help him pack out. That's one of the cool things about hunting is how many really considerate, really friendly, helpful people

are hunters. We met one this weekend. Yeah, we did. We were there and a guy had a membership out there and had his camper there, totally kept to himself. And on his last day when he was coming out, he saw us and he's like, hey dudes, I've been on this really cool big red boar that I saw and, you know, literally told us like, go up here, turn here, go here. I haven't been able to get on him.

I mean, the guy was, like, genuinely helpful to another hunter. And, you know, that 100% is what we need in society, really. We need everyone to just, like, help one another out when it's possible. I mean, you're going to have pettiness in every single group of humans. But I think overall the tone that I've experienced from people that are involved in hunting, very helpful, very respectful. It sounds crazy to most people, but I think that they have by being in nature and experiencing these life and death moments in nature, I think what it addresses a certain part of them and their place in the food chain that almost like calms an internal aspect of people that

are involved in it. Because the real struggle, the life and death struggle of consuming meat is undeniable. Yeah. In terms of like what it means. Like this is what it means. The animal has to die. You have to cut it up. You cook it, eat it.

That's the problem. It's not going to the restaurant and I don't know what happened. You can't, I can't, I don't know what happened. That I don't know what happened is the problem. It's not the hunting the restaurant and I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. That I don't know what happened is the problem. It's not the hunting that's the problem. It's that 95% of the people, 95, that's a big number, are eating meat. But what percentage of them have ever even seen it happen? What percentage of them have done it themselves?

You don't have to. You definitely don't have to. I'm just talking. I'm not passing any judgment on people. No. But what about this? I definitely am not. I have in the past the past for sure let me ask you this i'm not right now this is one thing i thought about the other day how many people have gone they've ordered something like that and then they don't eat it all so they throw it in the trash can yeah that happens but it but doing what you I do, do you look at that differently?

It's definitely different. Like if you cooked an elk roast, which, I mean, it's not even fair that I'm bringing this up because we did it the first night I came in. But if you cooked an elk roast and you didn't eat it all, would you dump that into the trash? No, no. No, I eat it.

And what I also don't eat, I feed to my chickens. And people go, like someone said this to me, like, yeah, you think that's natural, man? A chicken eating an elk? I'm like, I'm telling you, it's just meat. Your chicken is a goddamn murdering motherfucker. And you need to come off it. Your chicken is more ruthless and more murderous than any cat you've ever met. They are goddamn dinosaurs.

Well, didn't they say Velociraptor is technically a dinosaur chicken? Yes. Right? And somehow or another, like an ancient Australopithecus is a human of today, like that chain of progress, yeah. Somehow or another, a dinosaur became a chicken. Some kind of little raptor. They are fucking ruthless, man.

I've met some people that must have definitely been T-Rex. I've got a couple friends where they're so pumped how much more they can bench, but when they're doing it about four inches, I'm like what is up, dude? How long are your arms? T-Rex bench? Yeah. People love to do more impressive numbers

incorrectly. Right? Yeah, very true that's one of the things that gets people hurt more than anything lifting weights like I don't want time this guy emasculated me in the gym in Phoenix some giant fucking football player dude you know he'd met me like a man big fan you don't love your stuff on the UFC you really know your shit oh thanks dude thank you very much and this dude is over there like just doing stacks, just stacks, squats. And he's just a fucking Herculean, like 300-pound man.

And I'm over there doing a kettlebell workout with 35 pounds like a bitch. I was doing 35-pound windmills. I was doing like these slow-moving kettlebell. But I'm like, look, man, I know this is not the same thing as what you're doing, but you don't do this either, do you? Yeah. Doing slow stuff with light weights, controlled stuff, is good for your body too. It's like guys get it in their head.

They're going to be fucking on bench at 950, bro. But when you're doing this, you can't move. Your body's got to move. I'm all about free range. The best thing I did was went down. On your recommendation, I flew down to the Onnit Academy and met all those guys and spent, I think, two days in there and just said, I want to do everything. Show me the maze. Show me kettlebells.

You know, I did some stuff on rings. Did some stuff on bungee straps and it's all i mean and you see people that have conditioned they've worked out that way and something real simple and then you have someone that's you know i'm six five two thirty two twenty probably two thirty after hunting camp um And they're doing these simple movements to where you just feel like a wussy. There's people that structurally and core-wise are so sound and actually movable muscle and usable muscle. It's totally different than only certain types of weights that most people do.

When I met Frank Zane years ago, and I went and trained with him on my weight training, specifically on free weights, I felt like I had wasted, I think I met him maybe in my late 20s. And at that point, I'd been working out maybe 15 years. And I told him, I said, I feel like I've wasted 15 years of like really trying

to improve myself, but I realize now how inefficient I was. And then when I've started to learn some of these movements that are about, you know, real body usage strength, I feel the same way. I'm like, I wish when I was in high school my football coach would have been having people do windmills because they're talking about how you go to wrestling practice everyone's talking about how important it is to be solid but everything was like bench, squat

deadlift things like what we just talked about with a windmill it's totally different I think bench, squat, deadlift is still the kings but I just think that people get a little bit kings for total mass yeah just get people get a little caught up in the numbers and to the point where they're willing to ignore the form and i think that's where a lot of people get hurt it's like a real problem with people being a little bit too macho and i fucking absolutely have been guilty of that. Yeah, me too. Where I was lifting way too much weight.

Just like, because I can, bro. Because I can do it, bro. I tried to max out on 135 once. 135? What do you mean? For bench. Oh, like as many times as you can? No, just one.

I tried to get it once. I didn't get it. Oh. Is that a joke? I got confused. Sorry. I don't joke around with you enough. You actually took me serious.

I definitely did. That might be a problem. No. I need to screw around with you enough. You actually took me serious. I definitely did. That might be a problem. No. I need to screw around with you more. I saw Brock Lesnar's, you ever seen his, you know, the times they do when they're trying out for football. What's that shit called again? The combine? Yes, the combine scores. They had Brock Lesnar versus Shane Carwin.

It was like a big heavyweight fight because it was two super powerful, really dangerous wrestlers. When you look at the combine scores, you realize what a freak Brock Lesnar is. Well, I saw him ringside with you. Oh, he's a freak. He's a freak. It's just straight Viking DNA from the motherland. If I was a little guy coming from Asia with my whole family and I had to walk up to that dude, I would think the same thing as a short-faced bear.

I'd be like, wait, I have to go by that flat top? If that fucking thing... And those freaking traps, I have to go by that? Screw that. Let's go back and get some sushi, dudes. If that thing pulls up in a boat, you fucked up, right? You're in the wrong place. Imagine that, being in war, and a Viking ship comes up,

and like 300 of those suckers come off. 300 Brock Lesnars jump off the boat. Fuck this life. It's been real. I'd be ripping my undies off, holding up a white flag real fast. It's kind of what we're talking about, though. We're talking about the short-faced bear. I mean, there's like levels of these animals there's levels of all these animals and they they reach a state of

balance and one of the weird things that i experienced this weekend and i've experienced before while wild pig hunting is it's almost like you see something that other people are not seeing it's like you where you realize you look at it, you go, hey, this could be a giant problem. This could be a giant problem. And it's also like you don't have to go to the grocery store to get pork. Like, in fact, that's probably not the best way to do it. What we really should do is stop doing that and go shoot those legal ones. You know, I mean, in California, there's not even a limit.

That would be a great way to do it. They don't have a limit in California. All the hog farmers are like, you know, what? Yeah. Well, I know. But seriously, though. Why don't we do that? I wonder if we have like a food bank or something to where, you know, if we're out for the places giving food to the homeless, why aren't we out doing some apocalypses and bringing in some serious pork chops for people?

Get Chad out there from Whiskey Bent Barbecue. Get him doing some pulled pork butts at the homeless shelters. That would be ridiculous. Traeger would sponsor that. People would go homeless just to eat there. I would. Yeah, but I don't think you're allowed to use wild animals. Oh, that is.

Because I think it has to do. No. No? You can in some places? Because in Iowa, we have a really good program called Hush. No, no, that's not what I mean. I don't mean, like, donation. I mean, like, selling it.

Like, if you wanted to, like, sell it. Like, one of the things about wild game, like wild pork. No, I think you can commercialize. Yeah, you're right. Can you commercialize the wild ones commercial people now doing um because i know when we were in indianapolis i cooked um i cooked elk tacos in the easton booth but we had to actually get a licensed fda elk farmer to provide the meat. I couldn't bring...

So that is the disconnect. Right. If you raise it, but then again, you're like raising a wild hog in a... It's not the same. No, it won't be wild anymore. The conditions aren't even near the same. Well, you know, the one guy who's got it down is Joel Salatin. You ever heard of that guy?

He's got an organization called Polyface Farms. And I had him on the podcast. He's fascinating. Because he's a real old school farmer, but really smart. And what he realized somewhere along the line is that these animals are only happy when they're living like animals. And you get better product from them. You get better food. It's healthier.

So he takes these pigs and he has this traveling fence. he puts a fence up and he makes it like really big and then they'd fuck everything up on this one side of the fence then he moves the fence like having goats or chickens or whatever he has a just a new one a good fresh ecosystem yeah yeah and it also recycles yeah the ground to grow better grass everywhere they took a dump. So he does that with his chickens, too. He has this gigantic mobile chicken unit, and he pushes his thing around, and he lets his chickens out. They all run around, and they do chicken shit, and they go back up into their little houses when it gets dark out.

They know where their house is. So he moves them around, too. It's really, really interesting, man, because it's less of a disconnect and some people are uncomfortable with there being less of a disconnect. Some people like to just get a chicken sandwich. I don't know how the fuck you got in that sandwich, but thanks, dude. Here's your five bucks. Gotta

go. And then there's other people that go, okay, what is a chicken? It's a little cunty dinosaur thing that's still around and wants to eat your kids. That's what a chicken is. Like, I have chickens and I love them.

They're sweethearts. I pick them up and I pet them. I mean, they're like pets. They make great eggs. Yeah. But the bottom line is,

that's a cunty little dinosaur and we're lucky that thing is smaller than us. If that thing was bigger than us, it would fuck us up. You know? It is true. We're so weak as humans.

When we go out, I mean, don't make me bring up the terror bird. No. Do you know about's true we're so weak as humans when we go out i mean don't make me bring up the terror bird no do you know about the terror bird no north american terror bird no is that the one bigger than the eagle it's like nine feet tall dude it was a nine foot tall gigantic bird that didn't fly and it lived in north america so it fuck people up. It was an ostrich. It was predatory. No, but it was a dinosaur ostrich. Bigger, bigger. Look how big it was.

That's what it looked like. It looks like a nutcracker. There's a scale where they show it next to a human. Look how fucking big it was. Are you kidding me? Why was everything bigger? Dude.

I don't know. Have you ever seen that movie Have you ever seen that movie Honey, I Shrunk the Kids? Did that happen on Earth? Look at the terror bird and the short-faced bear together. Look at that right there. Oh, Jesus. Click on that, Jamie.

No, the next one. The next one, the one above it. That's the short-faced bear. Isn't it? No. No? Like the drawing, that one right there that your curse is on? Oh, my gosh.

Go up to the top left. Is that a short-faced bear? That's a saber-toothed cat. Oh, it is? Those are cool. Oh, okay. I love cats. They're so mean.

Wow, cats. They're killing machines. At a certain line, cats and bears start looking kind of similar. Yeah. That's kind of bear-like a little bit, isn't it? But faster. Bigger teeth. Way faster.

Way bigger teeth. Faster with less power. Look at that bird up there there What's in its mouth? Jesus Writing it Joy of Google images game actually it is I would ride that thing listen. We got a real problem with these genetic engineers all these like super geeks out there Why one of those assholes decides to recreate one of these things

and keep it around, like William Randolph Hearst of the year 2017, if that dickhead just brings, instead of bringing around wild hogs, he brings around terror birds. Don't worry, I've domesticated them. They're all vegetarian. Now that I see you can ride them, I thought he was pretty cool. I don't think you can, dude. Is that upper class?

If you pull up to your car spot and it says, like, Joe Rogan parking, if you ride up on a T-Bird? Yeah, I think anybody would take your spot if they ride up on a bird. What year did that thing go extinct? The Terror Bird? Yeah. Oh, let's see. It's got to be prehistoric. I don't think it was prehistoric.

Definitely. That's one of the main points of evidence that I always use when people talk about Bigfoot. Like, how come you don't believe Bigfoot's real anymore? I'm like, it's not that I don't believe it's real, but I have a very hard time believing that hunters haven't seen them. What if the reason all these cool animals are extinct is because they walked off the edge of the earth? That's a good point, dude. They passed the ice wall. There's an ice wall out there.

You can't pass it. Super important. Stand inside the ice wall. There are reports from Uruguay of findings dating to 450,000 and 17,000 years ago. But the claim is debated, so obviously. Wow. That's as close as we get. 62 to 1.8 million years ago is the actual normal thought of range.

Even though I don't believe it, I tried to keep an open mind about this flat earth thing, and I said. You tried to keep an open mind? Well, I kind of wanted to hear the other side's argument just so I can understand. You know what I think it is, man? I think it's just a lack of communication. I think what we need is like, I know Neil deGrasse Tyson had this conversation with B.O.B., right? That's the rapper's name. We kind of explained it to him.

B.O.B. dissed him on a flat earth support track or something. I don't know. I just think it's just a lack of communication. It's like someone needs to explain to people in a way that doesn't offend their preconceived notions. Because people get this idea that they have the right information about something. They think that something is...

They get married to that idea. And if you're like Shaq, who just recently came out and said he's married to the idea that the world is flat it's like how much research are you doing don't be you know are you do not bait me how much how much research are the people on the space station doing are they all in on a lie they're all in on a lie is that real or did you decide that that's real and now you're looking only at things that support that idea in your head? And you're not looking for it through astrophysicists or astronauts or people that study it their whole life who understand it.

You're not looking at it through those lenses. That's why it seems like it makes sense. It only seems like it makes sense because you don't know what makes sense How dare you am I baiting? I'm not even for bathing me on the shaft. I think we all are just we're all silly all of us on both sides No, it's not even that just that the people that believe the earth is flat. I've got three full passports with stamps I think I feel for the people that believe it because I think someone didn't tell them correctly or something.

Yeah, but I've never did an international flight where I flew for a while and then the plane banked. And turned. And turned. It doesn't work that way. It's like a black hole. You hit the wall, the ice wall, and then you go back in time to the moment when you're born.

Is the ice wall real, though? Fuck yes. No one's been there and taken pictures of it, but they can't because of the Illuminati and plus the Jews. You can't just go to the ice wall, dude. Jamie, I'm asking you as a third party. It was a simple question to Joe.

I'm sorry. So what happens when you get to the edge? I wish I was an expert. Let's just make shit up. But is there an ice wall? Because I actually thought that was part of the argument. Yes, no, that is part of the argument. It's being guarded by NASA or something.

But the part of the argument... Guarded? Wait a minute. Are you kidding me? This sounds like the Truman Show. Or like Hunger Games. I don't fault anybody who believes that. I'm telling you right now.

And I think there's a problem when someone believes something and then someone else doesn't believe what they believe. And then on both sides, there's an issue. Because the side that believes that they're right, the side of the astronomers and the astrophysicists, we get angry. We get angry at people that believe something other than what we are pretty sure to be true. So you start making it a personal thing, and it's stupid. And I think that's part of the problems,

that people get invested in their ideas. You get invested in the idea of Bigfoot. I was fucking 100% over-invested in the idea of Bigfoot. I was super helpful, or hopeful, rather. Every time I would see a news story about Bigfoot, please let this be the one. I was thinking about it, man. I was like, if they really found Bigfoot, how crazy would that be? Fuck yeah.

But then it didn't make sense. Didn't make sense. No, Sharon actually brought up a very valid point. She said, if there was a Bigfoot, it's like, what's his age limit? Yeah. Because he's got to, I mean, by now, that sucker, based on how long monkeys and stuff live, or a bear or whatever, he's gone. If there was one.

The idea is that there's a population of them. I've talked to several experts. What's up? I was Googling to see any updates on Bigfoot. Oh, please. They're excellent. Rob Lowe and his sons are going to hunt Bigfoot For A&E That'll be a fun show

Rob Lowe's a funny guy I think that'll be interesting But is it Is he doing it like that he really Thinks he's gonna find it Or is he doing it as a way like Okay boys I'm gonna prove to you that this is kind of... Maybe it's not even preconceived, or maybe it's scripted.

The infamous unsolved mysteries. Well, you know who absolutely 100% is balls deep in Bigfoot? Bobcat Goldthwait. Balls deep, all in. I love that podcast. I love him. He's awesome. Yeah, he was really cool. He actually believes that that video, you know, that Patterson footage where the things walk across the field, he thinks that's real.

I do it all the time. Now, if that Bob Patterson guy had met you, you probably could have taken the place of the other guy that wore the monkey suit. Seriously, if I had as much hair as you did without shaving, other than like up here, i think i could look like that sucker like if he's seen me stalking that hog this morning yeah he'd be like there was a freaking bigfoot doing yoga well there's some dudes that get real hairy and we gotta assume yeah that the hairiest dude that we know today ain't shit compared to the hairiest dude of 100 years ago right if you didn't have clothes you know you'd be growing some hair. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

If you were cold, if you had to live or die, you would grow hair. Why would it be any different than a dog that sheds when it's hot? Yeah. Or grows hair when it's cold? Because we're not animals, John Dudley. We're people. We came from monkeys. Don't tell people that.

They don't want to believe it. Well. Yeah. It's just it. Well. Yeah. It's just logical. There had to be some super hairy people. And if your kind, like big giant freak-like dudes, like your kind covered with hair. We're so opposite, actually, you and I. I know.

I'm like sitting there thinking, would I want to be shorter? I feel like a child. I feel like he's my child when we hug. I'm his child, rather. I don't know, but I feel like, remember when you told me that story about the monkey that you had when you were on Fear Factor? Oh, yeah, the monkey beat my ass. That when you held that little thing, you thought, this thing's made of wood. That's what I feel when I get you up on my shoulder.

I'm like, damn, this thing's made of wood. That's hilarious. And you start beating. Dude, I was telling Jamie, I think I've told you this story. I've probably told it to everybody I've met. That I have a little baby chimp on the set of News Radio. Like way back in the day. It was supposed to be in some stunt.

Did I tell you this? I probably said it before. This little motherfucker was on my back and he hit me a couple times and I was stunned. I was like, oh no, this is not what I thought it was like I thought it was like a little person like oh this little person thinks he's a badass let me just calm him down no he got on top of me just hit me a couple times on the back and I was like what in the fuck I just was thinking it immediately I started doing the math in my head and thinking what it would be like to be in

confronted by a full-grown chimp Okay, well that's my argument with the silverback versus grizzly. You said grizzly Because Grizzlies are even more more the fucking badass than a chimp Grizzly a grizzly can't like there's no way a chimp can outrun a grizzly. There's no way not a chance in hell What's a sip? I don't know right true. What's a silverback? I don't know if that's true. What is a silverback full speed? Have you seen one of those things coming through the bamboo? I know that a grizzly can outrun a silverback. Or whatever they come through.

I know it. I feel confident. I think chimps are faster than gorillas, and I think a grizzly can outrun a chimp. Jamie's live for me. I think there's no way the gorilla's getting fucked. He's getting doomed. I'm telling you right now. Big ass interior grizzly. I'm telling you right now big-ass interior

I know what your hands feel like when they shake mine So I would be I guess I'm not like a grizzly, but you're a giant dude Would crumple you like a empty pop it wouldn't even it wouldn't even be like he wouldn't even feel you he would go through you like whipped cream 25 miles an hour top Top speed. Why does it say it feels like 25? It feels like 25. Similar animal. Actual speed's

34, but it feels like 25. I don't understand what that means. This is from someone riding its back. Get to a different website. Is that what this is? Is that really what this is? I don't know. I'm trying to see what that means. Oh my god. I love the name Wapiti. Where'd that come from? Do you know where that came from for elk?

Speedofanimals.com A Wapiti? Yeah. Where's that word come from? That's what an elk is, dude. It's actually a Wapiti. Who called it the Wapiti? Where's that name come from? I've heard it. It's a cool name. Wapiti Wednesday is a hashtag.

Cam uses it a lot powerful whoppity wednesday uh champions use the same speed though is that a chimp i said a silverback i don't want to know what my god is did you think a chimp is faster chump off there don't you think a chip is faster than a gorilla give me a silverback okay have you seen a silverback come out of the freaking Have you seen a silverback come out of the freaking jungle? They're fast. 2024. Ah, see, told you.

So this is what I'm thinking. So it's speed over strength. It's just like an archery argument. Yeah, maybe. I think the bear gets them. Heavy arrow, slower speed, fast arrow. But there's not much of a difference in the speed. It's real close. And a grizzly bear is so much bigger moving so much more mass around like if a big

grizzly is 500 pounds a silverback i'm pretty sure i mean a big grizzly interior grizzly what is a big one like 900 is that really not a not a mountain grizzly you can look it up i would they're the more aggressive ones let's just say six to seven hundred and the really big ones are the coastal ones right yeah which they call brown bears for some reason? Why do they call them that? Because it's the same animal. It's a different species. Is it? Yes.

Yeah. They don't interbreed or anything? They're bigger. It's just a totally different bear. Yeah. One looks like a Volkswagen with hair and one looks more like a Ford truck with hair. It's one of those other things where the one that has the scarier name is like not the biggest one, which is weird. Like brown bear sounds like, oh, he's so cuddly.

And you see those buses on Kodiak Island. Yeah, polar bear. They sell Coke. Yeah. Klondike bars. Yeah. Oh, that's right. What would you do for a Klondike bar?

Fucking polar bear's your buddy. Hey, I'm your buddy. I live in a place where there's no vegetables. It's a conspiracy theory. Polar bears brought that up. They literally made those to make themselves look cuddly so humans would be stupid enough to walk up to them. Do you think it's like a nature

trick? Like nature made them cool to look at so we don't mind as much that they're murderers? I would argue Disney. Fucking Disney. Right? Like that Bambi movie. So a silverback is slower by 10 miles an hour? Five or so. Is there anyone that has that?

The gorilla's fucked, I told you. No, but is there any strength of a silverback versus a grizzly? I don't even think it's comparable. And I say this saying I really respect grizzly bears and brown bears because you know that. Well, I think that eased the concerns of a lot of grizzly bears and brown bears that were listening. Yeah, they're pumped. I think that they're all dangerous and ferocious.

I'm thinking silverback versus the grizz. You think you would win? Yeah. Maybe. People who listen to this podcast need to put it in the post. We need to know what people want to know. I wouldn't want to fight a 38-pound rat. No kidding. I'd wouldn't want to fight a 38-pound rat. No kidding.

I'd be fucking terrified to fight a 38-pound rat. So the idea of a- I just can't help but a number. Because that's a fucking giant rat, man. Yeah, but you should have said 30, 40. I know, but like what's a- A 38? So 37, you can get it?

What's a house cat weigh? Like 10 pounds? No way. Less? That's Garfield weighs 10. Okay, like seven? Seven pounds? Something like that?

I would think. Something along those lines? Okay, now make it bigger. Like keep it like a... What size does it become? Totally unmanageable. First off, let's... If you're not wearing welding gloves,

a 10-pound in-shape house cat, you're not talking like Garfield you're talking like I don't know let's talk about a Conor McGregor Garfield at coming in at 10 like a real good tiger cat like one of those ones

like real common house cat ones well picture this if you grabbed a 10 pound mountain lion do you think you can control that thing? There's no way. My neighbor. 38-pound. My neighbor's a good buddy of mine, and he saw a mountain lion.

And he saw a mountain lion when he was walking his dogs. He's got these little cutie dogs. He's walking his little cutie dogs, and he saw this fucking thing. He saw its tail and picked it up, picked the dogs up and and ran back to his house and then got on a website got on a website and found out that uh that they attract this animal and that it uh it had a collar on it and uh the tracked it and it got hit by a car on the five and he's explaining like how the whole the whole thing went down and i was like whoa like that thing you were walking your dogs and this big ass cat it's like 120 pound plus cat

so the actual cat that had a collar he knew that's the one he encountered yeah yeah he saw he saw the collar and then he went on the website and you can track because he he found out that this cat had died and when he found out the cat died he went and uh, oh the sound of whiskey Are you good? Yeah, I'm good, dude Trust me your yeti's talking a lot of stupid shit. I know you haven't even touched that. Oh, I definitely have how dare you You're one of those guys bro. You're not even drunk as me bro. Quit bullying me. Sorry It's my instinct. Well, we were just what what the fuck was I just getting 38 on the rat? Oh, yeah among other things

So a silverback is essentially like a super a super primate right the most super super prime. Yes, but a bear is One of the most super super freak predator animal Freak out things like if a bear was little like a nine-pound bear Like the size of a nine pound bear, like the size of a nine pound rat was trying to kill you, you'd be freaking the fuck out. If it was running at you, like a little tiny bear,

you'd be fucking terrified. Now think of a giant one and realize how, you are totally defenseless. And I don't think it's going to be that much difference for a gorilla. I literally think of a silverback gorilla with the way they're built and they swing around. I think if he stood on the chest of a grizzly, he could grab its paws and literally rip its arms out and beat it with it. Wow. King Kong was a good movie. I agree with you there.

I enjoyed it as much as the next lad. I'm not even thinking of Kong, but I believe that. I don't think that's correct. I don't think they're that strong. How much is the thumb? The thumb does give an advantage, though, right? It could grab. Yes, yes.

Wait. It's a little smarter. Yes. It can move around a little faster. Jamie. Great. But he just brought the thumb in. The bear is way stronger.

Way stronger. Way stronger. It could smack it once and probably knock it out. No, we need to. Well, I've seen that. I think a bear is. I've seen a grown mountain grizzly hit a moose and can it. Yeah, you told me that.

That I've seen. You saw it with your own eyes, right? Is there any solid information of strength of a silverback? There's not? There's just a lot of people that have argued this on the internet for the last five to ten years. We get dangerously close to this argument. Seriously, why don't they put Thor's hammer on the ground and put a put

a taco in it or something to where a grizzly has to try to grab it and pull it off and have a sensor versus the silverback that would well the grizzly definitely can't grab as hard because it doesn't have thumbs like we talked about but i think yeah but that's relative to a beating right who how many fighters have a big ass and a lot of like leg power right krokoff versus someone that's just sheer gorilla up top let's do go there i just wonder how strong a gorilla really is in comparison to what's essentially like a giant dog i just think he's gonna get fucked are you crazy you think A silverback is equivalent to a giant dog? No, no, no, no, no. A bear is.

What I'm saying is a bear is essentially like a giant wild dog. Possibly, but, well. Why would I call a silverback a dog? I don't know. We've had a couple of adult beverages. Yeah. And we had a fun time this weekend, man. We did.

It was really fun. We had a great time. It was a great time. Dude, John Dudley is the greatest archery It was really fun. We had a great time. It was a great time. Dude, you... John Dudley is the greatest archery coach in the world. There, I said it. Even though I only have experience with John Dudley. But I'll tell you, he knows his shit to the point where I highly doubt that anybody's

more detail-oriented than you. You do what Sharon told me. She said a lot of times you'll give a compliment to me, but then you'll immediately say something that, like, contradicts it. Like, I'll say, say I say, I really love those. Those shoes look really good. And then I'll, without knowing it, say those silver ones that you have are better or whatever. Just say, you know, whatever.

You kind of did that to me. You said I was a good coach. But I've only had one. Thanks. Well, I know, though. I know what you're doing, though. You're pretty good at research, whatever. You kind of did that to me. You said I was a good coach. But I've only had one. Thanks. Well, I know, though. I know what you're doing, though. You're pretty good at research, though. Dude, you're so –

You stalked me. Archery is fascinating. It's such a fascinating thing. I am definitely a stalker and a weirdo, especially when it comes to archery. But, like, learning it and learning it from a guy who's, like, such – the way you break the whole thing down is so fascinating. Because you expose these little weaknesses. I've seen you do it, and you did it this weekend with our friend Steve, or this week with Steve Ryan, who we hung out with.

Yeah, super cool dude. Really. Awesome beard. Really cool guy. Should definitely work at shaving club. A manly, manly beard. Manly beard. I mean, ferociously manly beard.

But I saw you just tune his bow. You fixed a few things about his stance. Like, you can't help yourself. As soon as you see someone, and you're so bored with it at this point, you start asking me, what's he doing wrong? You're like, what's wrong here? No, I did that for a reason. That was part of me coaching you this weekend, actually.

Well, it worked. It was seriously true. The video was the best part. Like showing me the video of practice shots. That was awesome. Everything was strategic actually. I asked you what you thought of him because a big part of me knowing that I'm teaching the right way is once

my students are able to identify when I'm not there I think that's a very important thing that coaches miss is some coaches, they want the money. They want the student dependent on you being there all the time. They want to go with you to the tournament. They want to go with you to the UFC fight, whatever. But the reality is, like with me personally, thankfully, if I agree to work with someone, the reality is I don't get to see you every week. A lot of the people that I work with I pick because I really want to – I enjoy working with them.

But I want you to be able to help yourself when I'm not there because, I mean, both of – and I only get to see each other every, you know, three months maybe. So if I'm not able to be there seeing you shooting for three months, am I a good coach? Because you're, you know, for whatever, 89 days, you're wondering if you're doing it right. So when I asked you that it was, it was for a reason because I thought if you ever called me and said, am I doing something wrong, I could be able to say, well, have your ticket, take a picture and look. Because hopefully we've worked on the same things enough to where you're able to identify. I want you to be able to tell me what you're doing wrong. And I think a good coach does that. They're secure to do that.

I don't want to have to, I don't want my students to be dependent on me. I want them to, I want to push myself because I'm wondering, do you know as much as I do right now? And can I take this to another level where I introduce you to something new? Well, you know, this is something that I've experienced in a big way with jujitsu, that I've experienced in a big way with jiu-jitsu that the very best coaches not only do they not hold anything back but they they encourage their students to be as good as them or better like my friend Eddie Bravo is a perfect example that he has like this whole team of top killers. He's really put together this fascinating style and now has incorporated all these leg locks into it, this fascinating style of jiu-jitsu. And openly encourages any new moves, explores them, gives everyone credit.

And they're all battling it out, trying to come up with the best method for every single situation. And the only way to do that is to encourage growth, to not be afraid of competition, to embrace losing to your students or getting tapped by your students. That's great. It keeps everyone on their toes. And other martial arts don't do that. Yeah, that's stupid. I shouldn't say they don't do that, but it's way less common than the jiu-jitsu community.

Like, Jean-Jacques Machado is a perfect example. He's the guy who gave Eddie Bravo his black belt. And Jean-Jacques Machado is completely dedicated to making his students as good as him or better. That's his 100% focus. And when you do that, all you're concentrating on is the growth and the improvement of the art, the actual art of jiu-jitsu. And I think the same could be said for archery. You're not trying to hold anything back. You're trying to put it into

someone's head so they could do the very best job they can at minimizing all the things that can go wrong, tune everything right, and then you'll know what you're doing. You'll be able to take steps. And it's real similar. In a lot of ways, it's real similar. Well, like with Eddie, say he

knew one move. Say he knew the crane kick, right? How dare you? Jiu-jitsu doesn't involve crane kicks. You stepped out of your lane. That was terrible. You son of a gun, you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry every 10th planet jiu-jitsu guy.

Dwayne Ludwig actually used that in a fight. What? Dwayne Bang Ludwig is such a motherfucker. He was beating this dude up, and in the middle of beating— it was in the King of the Cage. In the middle of beating the dude up, he goes into the crane kick. And this was when Dwayne Ludwig—he's still a motherfucker, don't get me wrong. But this was when Dwayne Ludwig was a young, buck-wild motherfucker, and he was Boss Rootin's protege.

So he's fighting this guy in King of the Cage, and his stand-up is just super advanced for MMA at this point. People just did not know what the advanced for MMA at this point. People just did not know what the fuck to do with this guy. He had just wicked stand-up and was very competent and very successful as a professional kickboxer too. He was just a super good striker. Fought Ramon Deckers, fought top-level Muay Thai guys. He was a really, really impressive guy.

So when he was in MMA, and this is kind of, he did kind of both of them at the same time, too. When he was in MMA, when he did his crane kick on this guy, MMA was just not ready for this level striking yet. He's TJ Dillashaw's coach. You know who he is, right? Yeah. I mean, he was beating this dude up.

Look at this. No. So watch it for a little bit, because when you watch how good he was back then, it still is now. So fucking technical. See all these combinations he threw? He was on another level back then compared to a good percentage of the people that fought in MMA.

The kid he's fighting is wearing shoes, okay? I was just wondering. Is he going to skate after this? I mean, he's getting lit up now. This is Dwayne Bang in his prime. He just liver kicked him. Head kicked him. I know. This dude is getting... Look at this! Look at that combination,

son! He's definitely awesome. Dude! No question. Cumps! Come on! That's cowboy combinations right there. No question. I'm feeling like I'm in eighth grade in basketball looking at those shorts. Dude, you're so tall. I accidentally touched your feet and they were all the way the fuck over here. I was trying to get in that zone. You can go ahead.

I got real mad. Don't worry about it. Hey, you touched my knees. That's ridiculous. Is that your knee? Yeah, man. That's my knee. Be careful.

You don't have any BRB? We were talking about bouncy road boners. If there is something that happens to a man when he's in a car that's going down a bouncy road for too long, where he's like, what is this rod in my pants? It's weird, right? Yeah, it's like Spaceballs. That Darth helmet? I never saw that.

You should. I definitely probably shouldn't. Make sure you're in the mood to see a really dumb movie. You know, sometimes, I think when you did the podcast with Leah, you said there's some movies that are so bad that they're actually good. Yeah. Spaceballs is it.

Oh, is it really? I thought it was supposed to be, that's John Candy, isn't it? I thought it was supposed to be really funny. Yeah, but, I mean, he was, so it's just preposterous. He dressed up as a dog. I watched part of it, I think, once.

It's one of the really big flaws in my catalog of movies I've watched. I've missed a lot of really good movies. You have. I never saw Bruno. The Ali G movie? I heard it was amazing. I saw Borat. Loved it.

Loved it. And I should have seen Bruno, but I've never seen Bruno. I had never seen Borat. And we're at Sharon's sister's house. And they're like, what? You haven't seen Borat? So her sister and Sharon and her sister are both like, you know, they walk a pretty straight line. You know that.

And she said, oh, because her sister watches like horror movies and like scary movies borat movies sharon and i are more into like you know we like funny movies stepbrothers stuff like that talladega nights but she told her husband to put borat on and when he put it on and like i don't know if when he put the cd on if it like started up where they stopped before but it was literally when Borat was like 69 and that fat guy in the bed and she's like no just wait it's really good and we're

just sitting there like what the hell is this movie you can't just enter in the middle of that movie you have to start that movie from the beginning we literally I don't know for like timeline but it started at fat guy at 69 that's where it started we were like wait a minute this is good yeah yeah that guy um is capable of keeping a straight face and tremendous circumstances

like i don't know what he has in him, but he has a fucking constitution of steel. The way he doesn't break character while these people... Remember when he was carrying his shit? He shit into a bag and brought it to this lady? It was in Borat. He shit in his bag and then handed it to this lady in this really nice home, and he was pretending that he was this guy

who didn't understand. That was his culture. They would shit in a bag and then hand it to the people who ran the house. It was fucking hilarious. God, I wish there was an Oscar for podcast because how we go from being on a very positive

subject to seeing Borat in a shit... That is a positive subject. He's genius. Dude, that is Borat in a knock-on green Cher outfit. Amazing. That is knock-on green. It's a little lighter than knock-on green, but close enough. I don't know.

I think the original logo had that. That guy is a character. He is. Did you see when he threw the ashes on Ryan Seacrest? Live? Yes, I did. What in the heck? He was amazing

in Talladega Nights. That's where he's amazing. Look at him in the middle, though. When he's all, when he's totally serious, that's what his wife sees. She's like, Let's not get creepy here, bro.

Well, I'm just saying. If you see, I went from seeing him in a normal suit, I guess it would be a jacket and a nice white shirt to being in the Borat, like, suspender outfit. I would beat you. That was normal, and that was on the extreme side.

Yeah, look at him. Jesus Christ. See? Now we're almost at the, what was the ice skating movie with Jim Farrell and Napoleon Dynamite? That was funny. That was a fun movie. I will beat you, Ricky Bobby. Sharon?

No, that wasn't Ricky Bobby. No, Talladega Nights. That's what I'm saying. The French character. I will beat you, Ricky Bobby. He did have a good... He did. He definitely had a good...

Was it... What was it? Dang. Yeah, his Ali G character, he can't really do anymore. I think what he's doing is taking cycles. And then these young kids are going to forget. They're going to forget about Ali G. And then he's going to sneak up on them again.

And we're going to know. We're going to be in on it. And he's just going to figure out how to get people that just missed the boat. They won't know. And he'll be able to bank a bunch of them. He can't release them. What he'd have to do is attack a bunch of them. Do like several seasons worth before he released any of it.

Maybe that's what he's been doing. Regurge? Remember, didn't Red Band think he saw him one night at the comedy store? He's like, then he disappeared and he thought he saw cameras and all that. He might have. Nothing ever came of it. He might have. That would be interesting.

But he got sued by a bunch of people. He got sued by those young kids that he had on, like, where they were saying, would they say something that was racially inappropriate or something along those lines? Yeah. That lady with the poop sued, too, I think. Oh, good for her. The dinner party. Is that clean, Jamie?

Yeah. When he's carrying around the poop, you can't be doing that. It wasn't someone spitting in you. It's super inappropriate to be carrying poop. Is this caveman with some butter? No, that's not butter. It's just black. It's just black.

We change things around here. You know what happens, man? When I, the butter with podcasts, I phlegm. I get coffee phlegm throat. I kept it cleaner. It's the worst. It's super annoying. Annoying to me and to anybody.

Yeah, it is, right? How come we got off the archery subject? We were finally, like, definitely on par. Because you're very advanced for an archer. I don't think it's worth not giving credit to you for that. Well, I'm only advanced because of you, dude, and because of Cameron Haynes. Cameron Haynes for introducing it to me. You for tightening everything up and taking the time to –

I mean, when you have a guy who's an Olympic coach in archery and to get someone like you for a dork like me who just gets into it, you know, I was really fascinated by it. I feel very fortunate to be your friend because you've taught me some stuff that's changed, like probably taken not just years off of my progress, but changed it the right way.

So like it didn't matter, like five years down the road, I might be better at doing it wrong to the point where i kind of have my brain calculated how to do it i practiced it enough so i can do it wrong and still get away with it you had a good detour yeah you literally went from a super cool hardcore bow hunter to like how do i become the best at shooting and then now you're joe rogan the hunter well to me it's uh it's it's all like it's hard to say it's the most honest because it's still you're still arrowing an animal right you're still using a weapon and you're still killing it but it's many levels of removement from any other kind of eating meat. Many levels of removement.

And this is where it gets really fucking squirrely with people. It's way more respectful of the animal than eating meat in any other way. And that's hard for people to wrap their heads around. I totally understand it. I totally understand that it's hard for people to wrap their heads around. I totally understand also if you're annoyed with me talking about it too much, how about that? Wow. I get it.

All the hunters definitely appreciate you standing up for what you're kind of seeing the light on. Well, I would be a huge hypocrite if I didn't point it out. Because there's something going on where people are deciding that there's certain executioners that are allowed to kill your meat. And then the rest of us are not allowed to partake. And if you do, you're some sort of a bad person if you let an animal exist in its natural state until one day with

a ton of practice. I know how much you practice. I know how long you've been shooting. You've been shooting archery for how long now? Right at 31 years. 31 years. Many of those years competitively and you still practice it every day that's one of the most important things well i've competed i've competed uh let's see competed let's say i've competed 25 years um but the reason the only reason i competed

was because i wanted to make sure that when I was hunting I was proficient as a hunter that's the only reason I started competing was I wanted to make sure that you know I remember going out the first time as a hunter and finally having an opportunity and then missing and I think I was a lot like you when you got into it and you realize this is something I'm really into you're like okay how do I actually get good at it I don't good at it? I don't want to go out and shoot something up the butthole or whatever it is, right? You're like, I want to go. I want to literally make a good shot. I want this to be something I'm cool with, and then I want to be able to enjoy the benefits of it. So that's why I started competing was I actually went to my first archery

tournament based on a sign on the road. I was driving down the road and I saw a sign that said, and for those of you who are listening, there's actually a cool little like documentary that Hoyt did for me called I Am Defiant. Yeah, you were part of that whole program. That was probably the – Very interesting program.

Yeah, if someone's listening and they kind of want to see my background and know how kind of Joe and I came together, the I Am Defiant video from Hoyt is really good. You can find it on YouTube. But, you know, I was supposed to play college football, and I was a bow hunter, but I wasn't very good at it. I didn't have anyone that really taught me how to do it. I was self-taught. My dad introduced me to it and my uncle mainly. And then I ended up going to this archery tournament based on a sign on the side of the road that archery tournament and when I went there I lost all

my arrows before I'd finished because I was so bad at shooting and being a you know a person that was really wanting to play college football that was like the first time I really felt defeat and just the competitive drive in me is like, I have to do this right. So the people that won that tournament, all of them had these shirts on that had the name of the shop. So the next day I was in that shop and I was just watching these people shooting and started asking questions. And I realized that my self-taught or family-taught way was just a way to get in. But then it just got so much more diverse. And I think that's what happened.

You know, for you, Cam was like your uncle. He literally brought you into archery, right? And then once you're in there. I'll call him Uncle Cam from now on. That'd be awesome. You need to do a, we need to do a he's like my crazy uncle that runs ultra marathons we need to do a photoshop thing with cam and an uncle sam outfit but uncle cam uh he brought you into archery and then once you were there you realize

wait a minute when i go out this is a huge responsibility responsibility. Yeah. So how do I go out? And if I'm going to put this responsibility in my hands, how do I make sure I'm 100% knowing I'm doing it the right way? Let me just point out that this is not because I didn't have confidence in Cam. It's more that I am a junkie for exploring options. And when I get into something, I start trying to find all the different variations. The extreme ends. I try to find out who's doing what. What are the target shooters doing?

What are this guy? Like, it's undeniable that Cameron Haynes is, like, one of the greatest bull hunters in the history of human beings, right? So just becoming friends with him is amazing. And I should probably just follow his lead, right? But my thought is I know that that works, and I know that works for him. But I know that there's certain things that works for him but i know that there's certain things that work for me that don't work for my friends like i have friends that won't do yoga i fucking love yoga i have friends yeah i have friends who won't float i

fucking love floating i love it you know you don't have to floated yet you gotta try tonight you gotta try it i'm gonna try it i'll hook it up okay yeah it's the greatest thing of all time you hook it up next to like four or five things yeah that greatest thing of all time. You hook it up. Next to like four or five things. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'll hook it up. You're not gonna like pull a bunch of strings to make it happen. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna call a guy. You're gonna open the door to the basement. I'm gonna call a guy. You're gonna put me in this dark room and open it up after

my plane leaves. It's one of the greatest things of all time. Once you do it, you realize like, why am I not doing this all the time? It lengthens your body out. Everything just sort of relaxes and sort of um gives you know like there's like tight areas in your back besides like the mental properties the things you can do mentally the one of the big things it does is all the magnesium gets inside your muscles and it's like a massive epsom salt bath so everything just gets loose and you feel you're certainly a smell in there. Yeah, what salt?

Just a salt smell. You know what I do, dude? I hold on to my hips like this when I'm in it, and I can make my back pop. Like a lat spread? Yeah, but I'm pushing down on my hips, and I can feel my back pop. Yeah, but look at that V.

Dude, that's a strong V. Big man. I bet you lift weights. I bet you do. I sling some KBs. You got to get in there, man. And do you do any sort of decompression stuff? Do you ever hang by your ankles or hang by your waist? Well, that I like.

I actually do a lot of hangs. Those are great. Two things are, one thing I didn't say today, but when you, we doing it, I did that stalk because you were tagged out. So I did that stalk. It had a really good stalk. If it wasn't a sow, it was game over. Like that was checkmate. Yeah, you got within how many feet?

I don't know. It was probably eight yards, nine yards when I stopped and came back. And then came back and the animal stayed in its place so you were so quiet at 235 pounds you were to crawl through the grass i got video of it it's kind of creepy he told me i was like a predator he's a fucking big predator it's creepy to watch yeah you're holding your bow and arrow creeping up on these animals moving so slow but you know what i give credit to that for yoga oh yeah that helps did you notice did you ever did you put that together when i was going well i know you've been doing it and i know

you like it but i just thought you you're a big athletic guy i know you played football and i know you run a lot you mountain bike a lot yeah but that's a difference of your body slow movements is way different than power. Yeah. Right? For sure. So I really credit yoga. My wife started doing it, and she kept saying, like, you really need to try it. And then when I heard you talking about it, I tried it, and then now I'm to the point where I do it, and it's, I mean, I wish all guys would. I think it's if archers could only do one thing I would say

find a really good yoga place if they could do two things I would say yoga and kettlebells and then if they could do three things I would say yoga kettlebells and god that'd be tough I'd say weights but then heart rate is relative to to too. But I just feel like your ability to maintain posture is really relative to yoga. So like when I was stalking, one thing that you did that when I was filming and I stayed back just for sound, I stayed back and let you do your thing. I wished I was the guide at that point where I could tell you because you were behind the guide. So you didn't really know what you're doing. But I was really wishing I could say like your bow, instead of being sideways where it's easiest to carry, it needs to be at the ready.

And everything you did need to be, maybe it's your martial arts background, but you were, you know, we'll get on this subject, but you were going this way and this way and this way. So you're like your angle of attack, even though it was in a straight line, it was still horizontal. Even though it was in a straight line, it was still horizontal. Whereas, did you notice my angle attack was always at a posture to where I could move 28 inches and I was where I needed to be? At full draw.

Right. Right. Yeah, definitely. Once we talked about that afterwards, I got that. That made sense. I did feel weird, though, about holding up the bow while this dude is in front of me. I did feel weird about that. I was like, I got to have this pointed to the side. I didn feel weird though about holding up the bow while this dude is in front of me. I did feel weird about that. I was like I gotta have this pointed to the side. I didn't feel right. Even though it takes a whole step

to pull it back and draw it it just didn't feel right to like have a bow pointed towards some dude's back. I know it's stupid. No it's not. It is sort of but it's not because if someone tripped or something went wrong. But I do think that doing yoga has made my ability to move slower better as

well i think it what i was talking about earlier about lifting weights and stuff there's nothing wrong with lifting weights but i think there's an overlooked thing that we were talking about in the car it's being able to control your body and that's what yoga does almost better than anything else the balance that you get and the ability to move your body in all these different ways. It just doesn't seem as sexy as like squats or deadlifts fucking raw. When you do deadlifts, it feels like you're getting some shit done. You know, I love deadlifts. Don't get me wrong. I feel like I'm getting calluses done.

Like these babies are from deadlifts. Deadlifts, yeah. Well, kettlebells, I feel like I get more pressure on my forearms from kettlebells. You do a lot of hangs too, right? That'll definitely give you some paralysis. Yeah, that's, I mean, for a lot of people, I think a very neglective movement, and I heard this on your podcast, and I called you and I'm like, dude, I do those. Yeah.

It's just hanging, literally grabbing a bar and fully extending yourself to where your body elongates your joints. I think it just brings so much lubrication to your joints. And the longer I hang, do you hear yourself adjust? Yeah, I hear little things popping. Sometimes in my lower back, too. Especially if I can get a place. You probably have a hard time getting one where your feet can dangle.

See, that's the thing about being short. If you get a good one, your feet can dangle. You can go to the playground. And then you can have your body kind of pop. How dare you? How dare you? I have to go to a freaking Tough Mudder to get my feet to dangle. I do go to a playground.

Some of these playgrounds are goddamn brutal. Kids keep breaking their arm on these goddamn monkey bars. Yeah, man. My daughter broke her arm on the monkey bars. One of her friends at school broke her arm on the monkey bars. I broke my arm on monkey bars. Monkey bars are fucking dangerous, man. Well, I went to and fell. Let these kids hang from metal bars. One of her friends at school broke her arm into monkey bars. I broke my arm on monkey bars. Monkey bars are fucking dangerous, man. Let these kids hang from metal

bars. See, when you're falling, you're only falling a few inches. It's different from everybody else. Maybe that's why. It's not like my size. If you fall off the monkey bar, it's a fucking long drop. It's a lot of action. But when you can hang from something, this is all from my friend Steve Maxwell who told me all about

this. He says a good podcast. It's phenomenal. He's like it allows your arms to like sort of loosen up those joints and give them some mobility and flexibility. And it makes a big difference. It made a huge difference to me. As soon as I started doing it, it really changed the way my shoulders started feeling. Well, we both have had shoulder problems, right? Yeah.

I dislocated mine. I didn't even know I did. See, I was the same. I dislocated mine and it froze. And then when I was too ignorant to know that it was a frozen shoulder and I forced myself to talk myself into the fact it wasn't a rotator, then it went back in and that noise, it's pretty just, I mean, you know the noise noise I mean you know the noise I don't know the noise man I was really shocked

when I heard that yours didn't clunk in I don't remember it the guy said by the way the injury like the way the inside tissue looked it looks like your shoulder was disconnected dislocated so I said are you sure he's like yeah pretty sure it's like the way you have these little bits floating around

in there he's like usually that, pretty sure. It's like the way you have these little bits floating around in there. He's like, usually that happens when a shoulder gets dislocated. Yeah, mine wasn't good. I remember Sharon looking at me and she goes, was that a good pop or a bad pop? And I said, it wasn't the good one. Definitely wasn't. See, short-faced bears don't have these kind of weak-ass bitch body problems. What? Those short-faced bears, they don't have these bitch body problems.

No, I have different problems. They just get jacked and pull trees out of their roots and beat people to death with them. They probably have knee problems, lower back problems. Imagine if they could talk. That would make them so much creepier. No, it wouldn't make them cooler. Hey, motherfucker. You telling me you wouldn't have a short-faced bear here if you knew he wasn't like a mean one?

So you say that, but if he's a short-faced bear, he's a mean one. That's like saying... No, no, no. That's rude. You can't just come up with a new way of it being. No, no, no, no. He's a friendly shark. There's no friendly sharks.

I can tell you, I've encountered a lot of bears, and bears have personalities. Yes, I'm sure. Some bears have very short tempers and they're, you know, they're total like snap, spazzes like Jim Miller just instantly snaps on you and freaks out. And then some are really calm.

Like a polar bear. Yeah, like a polar bear. That's selling ice cream. They hold you. He's your buddy they cuddle you i'm your friend they do all that stuff no they only murder the seals when you're not looking they don't even want you to watch don't watch i have to feed they jack the seals where you going bobby bobby the polar bear because murdering some seal choking him down and getting

back to the surface and pretending to be your friend does some does everyone listening sense of sarcasm like i don't want to throw a jim miller under the bus no jim miller's awesome what do you mean a sarcasm oh like that you were just joking about it yeah yeah because he's it's hard to know they don't know your relationship with mr miller he's an awesome dude he is as awesome as these. They're all good. Yeah, and you took him on a pig hunt recently. Yep. Jim Miller, if most people who listen to this podcast that follow the UFC know Jim, he's one of the top ten, I think. He's the top ten lightweight in the world.

Just lost a really close fight to Dustin Poirier. So that was as close as it gets. Awesome, awesome fight. But if he's not top ten, he's certainly top 15. In my eyes, at least he is. I'm saying top two. Well, that's hard to argue, honestly, because he's lost to some of the best guys. And there's still Tony Ferguson.

There's still Habib Nurmagomedov. Those are the top two guys. They have to fight for the title. But did he lose with a close fight? Yeah. No, it's true. There's no doubt about it. No, he's true. There's no doubt about it. No, he's an awesome fighter.

We talked about that. That was the first fight that I ever watched. And I remember the first UFC fights, but that was the first time I ever watched one where I felt I had vestment in someone. And I knew Jim was fighting for, was that 208? Because I saw him fight at 200 and he stood on the cage and then because i was sitting right behind you and he like you know he said let's go hunt yeah so how cool is that it was very cool is that you're sitting there and the guy just wins a fight and the first thing he wants to do is go over and point you go 200 take me hunting let's go hunting hunting. That was so awesome.

Him and Ray Borg, when both those guys have done that, I was so happy. I was like, it's so cool. And I've got both of them. Both of them are coming to Iowa in one month. They're fighting for the turkey belt. They're fighting for the turkey belt and I'm in there too. I'm going to bitch slap those suckers. The turkey belt

is a thing that John has every year. Are bitch slaps allowed in UFC? I agree. They should be. See, they don't know what's coming. Wait till this bitch slap. You're supposed to have a closed hand. But you can slap someone on the side of the head, though.

Dude, I'm going to put all 15 inches of this bitch slap right across both of them. I think it's probably better to punch someone. Otherwise, people would just be bitch slapping people. There used to be an organization called Pancrase, and they used to only bitch slap. For real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pancrase was not allowed to strike with a closed fist except to the body, but they could head kick. It was crazy.

They fucked up, and they made the rules that perfectly fit Boss Rootin' style. Boss Rootin' was a UFC heavyweight champion, too, who beat Toshiko Saka back in the day. Boss Rudin was just a murderer. His kickboxing was just terrifying to these guys. And he came in out of nowhere and was knocking dudes out with bitch slaps. You never heard of Boss Rudin? Dude, he's a friend of mine. Boss Rudin's amazing.

He's amazing. He was the first, like, really technical animal striker to fight in the UFC. Actually. Like, Maury Smith was a really super solid technical striker. He should be a good bitch slapper, dude. Look at that mitt. Look at that mitt.

If it had to be done. I'm 6'5". Bring your mitt up against mine. Yeah, they're the wrong size. If you guys... If the camera... Well, seriously, they're the same size.

But they're the wrong size for my body. My mother smoked when I was a child. I don't know, dude. I think you had some silverback in your background. Well, if I had to guess, someone fucked a monkey when they shouldn't have. You know, it was one of those, like, can I still fuck monkeys? No, you shouldn't. You can, but don't.

You're like, you should know better. Stop fucking monkeys, Bobby. You're like, come on, I want my monkey ma. So some northeast Jew, or zoo, I want my monkey ma. So out of some northeast zoo. Yeah, Jew. Out of some northeast zoo. Someone's going to take that out of context, right? Yeah, that'll be a front page of the news.

I would assume if people came from lower primates, right, if human beings came from lower primates, which they think we did, like it couldn't have been a totally even process. There's people – I have always wondered what is the ultimate form of the human being? If we came from some sort of a hominid, some sort of an Australopithecus monkey thing and became what we are now, right? What the hell are we going to be 2 million years from now, 5 million years from now? The Predator. Do you think so? Yeah. Hell yeah.

Why would we be like that guy? That guy's a douchebag. He's sneaky. He hides. He's invisible. Exactly. But he's cheating. He can't even sneak around behind trees.

Dude, he takes his bottom part off and he doesn't have any genitals. That's true. He gave it up just for hunting. Yep. He'll do an alien. He'll do... That's right. He was doing aliens.

Schwarzenegger. They were hunting aliens. Isn't that a lot like people hunting crocodiles? Wait. See? Isn't it? Would antis have a problem with predator came down? When you say antis, you mean anti-hunters.

Yes. I speak the language, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go, champ. A lot of people don't know. Yeah. I think they would say and gentlemen. Let's go champ. A lot of people don't know. Yeah, I think they would say open season on the predator makes sense. But why? That's the same as fish, hogs. First of all

because it's not from here. It's not from around here. At a certain point in time people get territory. Technically a hog is not from America. Not from America but at least it's from the planet Earth. It's God's creation. But you're pushing the border. Well, you were pushing the border with Noah and the ark, weren't you?

You took these animals that were supposed to die in the flood and put them all over the world. Is that ice wall going further? So Jamie chimes in finally. Finally he's in. Man. That's hilarious. Seriously, though, you cut yourself short on archery i i definitely don't i i enjoy it i enjoy the process it's fun but seriously i enjoy learning social media people they're actually jealous of the fact that you got cam to bring

you to hunting for sure and then now you're getting like well because i don't really work on people's bows i work on friends bows and you get a lot of bows yeah you hook my bows up dude i appreciate it you know there's like people are like must be nice cam take some elk hunting john works on his bows listen folks it's not it's not fair. Life's not fair. Don't let them tell you it's fair. Amen, dude. They're fucking lying. You get to do jiu-jitsu with Bravo.

You get to do some Machado stuff. What else? Who do you learn pool from? Well, I've had a bunch of friends that were really good at pool, but one of the big ones, my friend Max Eberle, he thinks the world's flat. Wonderful guy. Max Eberle, he's a fantastic pool player, though. Is this going to be a class? Forget about all that.

Max, there's fundamentals to pool that mirror. They don't mirror the consequences or the actions of archery, but they mirror the mindset and the proper form and the proper delivery with the minimal amount of like variables like muscle movement or torquing of the hand or all those things this is very similar in pool like when you get really good at pool and i'm definitely not really good but when you get to a certain level the people that are really good they get this well it's like i used to play eight to ten hours a day like all the time you're saying you weren't good.

I was never like world class. I was never like even national class. I was like always a B player. Like at my very best, I was a B. This is totally being honest. And then there was A players and there was pros. Right. I was never an A player.

But I learned how to get – I got better and better. And if I played for many, many hours in a row, I'd start getting loose and I could run some racks sometimes. But I was never a real good player. But one of the things that I realized is that when I played my best, I was barely holding the cue. I was barely holding it. It's like I knew that the less control I had of it, the more I could let the cue do the work. And I had it tuned into my mind. And it was all about being in the correct stance, making sure that you come through the ball perfectly, meaning the delivery of the stroke where it's just this natural smooth motion and if you do that you you

get to this state they call dead punch or you get into dead stroke like some guys call it dead punch some guys call it dead stroke but when you're in dead stroke you can't miss you see the ball different you see angles on the ball you see when when you know that when you release the cue when you see angles on the ball you see when when you know that when you release the cue when you let that cue go forward that tip is going to smoothly strike the cue ball and it's going to collide perfectly with the ball that you were aiming at it's going to go to the center of the pocket and it's going to roll to perfect position you might only be able to do that like a game or two in a row for me i never got into it where it stuck with me for hours and hours.

But I had a friend, my friend Johnny B., who I grew up with, who I grew up in pool with, who was a hustler. I met him when he was a pool hustler. And he was this really fucking smart dude who was good at, he could play chess, he could do numbers in his head, like you could throw 500 times 1,000 minus 6 divided by 3. He'd go 465. Definitely not 465.

But he could do that. Like it was weird. He had a weird math brain that I don't understand at all. And he would get to these. Did he have Asperger's? No, he was just a brilliant guy. His mind was different. He just had a different mind.

One of the first people I've ever met whose mind was just so different than mine. Like the way he thought about things and the way his brain, the RPMs. But not considered different. No, no. He was normal. Street smart. Very street smart. Pool hustler.

Which is uncommon. Funny character. Yeah, that's a lot of different traits. This guy would get loose when we'd play pool. And for hours he would be in this dead stroke where it was just insane. Like you couldn't – people would gather around and watch him play. They would gather around. It was like you were watching an art form.

Like he had this way of getting out. He had this way of moving a ball around the table that was so smooth and elegant. If you did it yourself and you realized how difficult it is to watch. It's a different perspective. What pool is, is a beautiful art form that only the people who know how to do it can appreciate. Right. And I think it's the same with archery. One of the things about archery is if you watch a guy like yourself or any of the top target archers,

and you see those guys on TV in the Olympics, and they're aiming at those spots, and they release that arrow and it goes into the center. At home, you're watching it going, yay, he got another bullseye. Or a guy misses and you're like, what the hell? Yeah. You're watching these guys do 10 in a row, 12 in a row. But when you do it, you realize like, oh, this is a mirror into the mind this is a one of many disciplines that are a mirror into the mind You get to peer into an area of yourself like internally and you get to figure out through these motions Where your mind's at where your minds and how to discipline this this sort of process of learning and getting better and archery is a weird One man where it just seems like it should be so simple like what's so hard you put your arm out you aim you let the arrow go that's it right yeah no that's why this

same thing they're shooting at the same spot from the same distance over and over and over and over again and it's insanely difficult and you have to be a robot it's insanely difficult you have to replicate your movements and smoothness and your breathing is important and your concentration. It's a fascinating discipline, man. It's fascinating. And if I never bow hunted again for the rest of my life, I would 100% still practice archery. 100%. It's a form of meditation.

It is. We've talked about that. It's a spectacular one, man, because it's so rewarding. Like when we were practicing, we were at camp practicing out to 90 yards. That was as much fun as hunting. Oh, yeah. I love it. Yep.

It's the most fun way. Was I in that, what was your pool guy's name? Johnny B, yeah. Was I in a Johnny B zone? You were definitely in a Johnny B zone. But you're always in a Johnny B zone with archery. It's very annoying. We had a pie plate out at 90 yards.

This motherfucker was like, right in the middle of the pie plate. I'm like, how the fuck can you even see that far? I can't even see where that thing is. I don't know. You hit it. You're lying. I hit it a few times.

But I missed it a bunch of times too. But my point is that because you're so technical, you're amazingly consistent. And that's what I was saying earlier. Even though you've been doing this for so long, you still practice every day. That's the crazy part about it, that it is this discipline. It's a fascinating discipline. You start to really crave that. You and I were talking with Steve about he kept saying, I want to get into

working out, but I don't, you know, and there's all these butts, but you and I were saying, dude, we're to the point where that is part of our lifestyle. Yeah. That's part of our daily routine. If I don't go to the gym, it's to me, if I don't somehow test my body each day, whether, well, one, it's with archery, I test my body practicing. And then I also test my body, whether I'm doing, whether I do yoga day or kettlebells or whether I lift or whether I bike, either way, it's a test, but that's part of my routine no different than, you know, archery, lifting. I have to brush my teeth every day.

Life. I always want to see Harry every morning before he goes to school, right? You want to see your wife and you want to talk to your wife in bed or whatever. You always want to have that connection time before you go to sleep. That's part of a routine. Yeah. And once you get into that routine, your body craves it. It doesn't want to miss that part.

Well, it's also you can regulate through those. And one of the things that I've noticed is when I've taken days off of exercise, and I've done it many times, and I did it pretty recently because I was kind of feeling sick. I was, like, just kind of feeling kind of crappy and my kids had colds and I was like, man, I might be coming down with something. So I said, I'm just going to just chill out. I'm going to, I'm just going to go ahead. I swore I'd never be that guy. Don't worry about it, man. We can make it happen. It's right there. Go through that door and we're golden um what was i just talking about thank you colds so what i did was i i took like maybe four or five days off working out which is super

unusual for me i just said i feel just a little tired and i know this is going around i feel trying to creep in so i took extra care of my health. I took extra care to drink a lot of green juices and eat a lot of probiotics. And I said, let me just recognize what this thing is and catch it. Did some breathing exercises. So I never got sick. But what I did do is I took all that time away from working out and I started feeling not so happy. Like, I don't want to say I was depressed because I definitely wasn't, but I felt a difference between my happiness level than what my happiness level is when I'm blowing out all the stress. When I'm blowing out all the stress, then I look at life as this, I know it's not going to last

forever, but it is awesome right now. Like, shouldn't I just smile and enjoy this awesome thing right now? Yes, of course I should smile and enjoy this awesome thing right now? Yes, of course I should. And so I embrace the awesome things about this awesome life and try to take them all in as much as I can and just enjoy the moment. But when I exercise, that comes almost natural. It just feels like the thing to think of, the way to do, especially if I exercise hard. If I can get through a brutal workout the sky seems brighter the air seems cleaner people seem happier I feel like I can change the way I interface with the world around me it's it's not just as simple as you know you work out because it's good for you

you work out because it's good for life and I just think it's so easy to fall prey to our natural instincts to want to be comfortable all the time. And I think the more you do that, the more you fall prey to the natural instinct to want to be comfortable all the time, you deny the observable yin and yang to the universe. That the universe requires these moments of discomfort like hard workout sessions in order for you to feel good and i also think your body has these natural reward systems that have been implanted in us through millions and millions of years of being whatever the fuck we were when we were you know millions of years ago i think people have these things embedded in their head and they there's a certain requirement of, and there's a certain requirement of panic.

There's a certain requirement of exercise. There's a certain requirement of protecting your environment, recognizing the dangers around you. How much of that is left? Well, if you grow up in the inner city in a really gang-infested, crime-ridden neighborhood, it's way higher ramped up than it is if you're a kid in Beverly Hills, and your parents are super rich, and their parents are super rich, and understand, like, what it's like to be in a dangerous place. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, people are very strange, John Dudley.

I mean, we're very strange. Don Judley. I'm talking very well. A buddy of mine, Dusty Fillion up in B.C. One time I— What a great name. Yeah. Dusty Fillion. The F fillions are awesome i love those guys

but it sounds like a character in a stephen king book he's awesome i found a spaceship with jeremy i'm gonna give a shout out to both of them screw it jeremy knoll he was also awesome but a great name for a stephen king both of them are always my camera people when i'm up in bc hunting oh cool and the problem with having a full-time camera person, it would be a lot like you trusting Jamie with this podcast if he was also potentially like a personality of jackass. Oh, wow. So you would think that he was pranking you the entire time?

I gave them my camera, and they had it because they wanted to make sure it was always charged. The card was always empty. So when I get home and I load all my footage, I have this, all these recoveries by my animals or my hunts with them posing as Don Judley. It's like the guy that you trust. Like when we trusted Steve, we said, hey dude, get a picture of us. You know, glass in over here.

And then all it is is this big freaking beard. He kept taking selfies. He took selfies of himself. He was pretending to take our picture. He took selfies. And then we got it. What the fuck, man?

He starts laughing. Then he took the pictures. He was a funny dude. A really funny dude. He was. He was a funny dude. A really funny dude. He was. He was real cool and really good at his job. He was. He knew that place like the back of his hand.

Just a pleasure to hang out with a cool guy. Yeah. Made an awesome tri-tip. He did. Good pork chops as well. Beautiful. But when I walked in, you were talking about kind of the importance of the yin and yang it's a lot like that i think with any sport that's an individual sport especially when it's a finesse

sport you have to a lot of times you have to lose control and especially lose the ego in order to excel in the outcome. So like a lot of the ways that I coach, I take away your ability to control and then slowly bring it back to you. What people don't understand what you're saying, let me just explain to people that have no idea what archery is if you're still here. They're here. I'm just kidding.

Millions. But what I'm saying is that when you learn archery, one of the things that happens to some people, I should say a lot of people, is you get something called target panic. And that means like what you try to do is you try to have. I don't want to hear this. But let me explain it to people because they don't know. Definitely do.

You're scared of it? No. Scared of the word target panic? Okay. But it's a good subject. I'm going to get ice. Go ahead. Get some ice.

Okay. I'll be right here. I'll explain to people. Then you come back and fill in the blanks. People panic. The other side. There you go, brother. They panic and they can't keep the spot where they're supposed to aim on the target.

Like sometimes they're low. Sometimes they're to the left and they circle it in there and then pull the trigger. And they freak out. And it's weird because it becomes like this psychological sort of a trap that they fall into and it's really common with target archers and I think something has to do with the monotony of continuing to stare at a spot and sometimes being dead on it and sometimes not and eventually it builds up in your head we're trying to figure out how do I time this thing where I hit that trigger perfectly well someone figured out a long time ago that if you use a release that doesn't let you know when the arrow is going to go off, it's a surprise shot, then all those tricks

don't get worked into your system. All the tricks your brain plays on you don't get worked into the system. And John has an amazing method of what we what we're saying taking away control so that's what it means what you do by taking away control is you develop this tension release that you're just pulling through the shot so you can't anticipate when it's going on going off because the muscles are not nearly as sensitive as the ones that are on your finger anything that's used to manipulating things yeah you you literally you minimize your focus on literally a process. So you occupy your conscious mind. This is probably equivalent to most sports, but your conscious mind, if you occupy it with a fight or flight syndrome or a fight or flight reaction, a lot of times when people experience performance anxiety, they're triggering a fight or flight experience, right? So, I mean, even with fighters, even if they know

how to move and they know how to punch and they have a game plan of how they should attack a attacked a Conor McGregor. Once, say you get freaking cracked hard with that left hand, your conscious mind goes from your trainer saying, slip and move, slip and move, keep moving, and all of a sudden you get hit with this thing that occupies your conscious mind to a thought of fight or flight. Well, now it starts thinking about what you're doing and then all of a sudden you go into attack mode, right? And then your game plan's out the window. So it's the same thing with archery. You want to occupy your conscious mind with a process instead of a result. So, you know... That's a good way of putting it yeah so we're we're focusing a hundred percent one hundred percent and i've worked on you with this i've worked on aubrey with this

on a process and the if you only focus on the process then if you couldn't if that ice shield was out there the ice wall and you could never see the result i would guarantee you that the result in the end would be, you know, if there was someone on the other side saying, Joe Rogan is an unbelievable archer because you never knew the result. You were on this side of the ice wall saying, I'm only caring about the process. So I take away all the tools of the result, which you've essentially, those tools are what you came up with on your own when you said, I want to get into archery. And I bring you into a process.

And then once you understand that process and I 100% trust that you know the process, then I all of a sudden give you a tool to have ultimate control of the result, which is like what, you know, for a year I worked with you and then in the end you came back to the knock to it, right? Yeah, that release that you use. Well, just the release method of not having any control over when it goes off. Like that made my archery alone. Without the corrections in the form that you did for me, that made my archery alone more effective and more satisfying because like, as we talked about, like archery is a strange discipline. And when someone points out the pictures to you, it sort of, it sort of illuminates the process in this weird way that makes the process more exciting. Like everything you do, if you enjoy doing something when you first start doing it,

once you get better at it, you're going to enjoy it even more. That's a big thing with jiu-jitsu. With jiu-jitsu, it's a huge part of learning and growing with jiu-jitsu is trying it out, getting good at it. You need to call out Jeremiah for me while we're podcasting. I will. We'll set that up afterwards. The guy in 10th Planet, Des Moines. 10th Planet.

I'm going. You should do it. It'd be fun. I want to do it. And you're going to meet some nice people. They're not going to hurt you. I don't want my archery shoulders ripped out of socket. As long as you learn how to tap out, it's super important.

I can tap. You've got to learn how to do that. You know me. I'm big, but I'm willing to submit. You've got to do it. Whoa. I'll do it. That sounded super to submit. You got to do it. Whoa. I'll do it. That sounded super good.

Woo, someone's a bear. Is that a bear? Is the bear a top? What? How's the nomenclature in the gay community? The bear is a big furry one, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's dominant, right? Where did we go? You don't know what bears are?

No. You never heard about... You live in an island, bro. Shooting bows and arrows, hiding in the woods. There's a category of gay men called bears. Wait. They're usually bald, very hairy. Get back to the Noctua.

Well, it was your idea. I mean, I'm not saying that there's a problem with it. I'm just saying I'm venturing to an area that's not my expertise. Well, the area of my expertise is bears. What would you call a bearologist? There's a name for them, right? What is the term? Was it Ursus?

Is that the term for bears, the technical? You would know way more than me. I think it's an ursus. The most stuff I learn is from my son right now. Oh, really? He's 18, and he comes home with some crazy, crazy stuff. He wants to be a veterinarian, right? Yes.

Yeah, so that's good. Get him to study some shit. Dude, we're going to Hawaii. Do you know about the white sand in Hawaii? Do you know what it's from? I would assume it's from seashells. Dude. Is that it?

Look up what the white sand of Hawaii, look up what it's from. What is it from? This is going to trip you out. Oh, my God. I'm tripped out already. So pumped and educating Joe. It's all the bones. Oh, there we go. It says bones.

It's not bones. That's what it is in the Salton Sea, right? Right. That's fish bones. Yeah. The Salton Sea is fish bones. No. Say what? No, the Salton Sea, right? Right, that's fish bones. Yeah, the Salton Sea is fish bones. No, the Salton Sea is not really a sea. What is the primary cause of the white sand of Hawaii? What is it? Why are we playing games? Don't hide. It's parrotfish shit.

Really? We're literally gonna be walking around on defecation. Hawaii's white sand beaches are made from parrotfish poop. Oh my God. I'm so pumped that I taught Joe Rogan something crazy.

Dude, that is insane. How is that possible? That's insane. Look at that. Oh my God, it just shits like crazy. The thing shits sand. Oh my God,

it shits sand. Does that thing eat like a reef? What is it eating? Dude, it was at a hunting camp. What does it eat? Worms, sponges, and oysters also produce Pacific Ocean sand, but no animal is as proficient as the parrotfish. They don't have stomachs.

They don't have stomachs? Their meals pass straight through the long intestine. It's like someone that got a bypass, like a gastric bypass, or someone that has a lower intestine. Look at that. Producing as much as 840 pounds of sand per year. Can you imagine if your poor little asshole had to process yours? You're a big, giant guy. If your poor little asshole had to process 840 pounds of sand a year.

It might, well. Let's break that down. How many pounds is that a day? Because 365 days in a year and it's more than double that. Right? Yeah. 840 pounds. So that is more than

two pounds of sand through your asshole every day for a year. That's insanity. Now you're a fish. So think of that. It's not even a person. It's a fish. That's insanity. Now, you're a fish, so think of that. It's not even a person. It's a fish. A little fish is pumping out more than two pounds of sand through its

tiny little asshole every day. That's insane. There's never been a thing like this. Alright. Well. Come on, man. Scraping and biting dead coral. How would that translate to a 200-pound man?

That's incredible. Can we do the math on that? Oh, it would be insane. Run some numbers. How big are one of these fish? Yeah, how big is a parrotfish? It looks small. It doesn't even look that big. They look cool, though. Check out his lips.

No, that's not Nemo, right? No. That's a clown fish. He had a whole new appreciation of Nemo. I was like, is Nemo a gangster? Yeah. Nemo's out there making sand with his little bottle? It's a fairy tale, a little Dumpelstiltskin.

Nemo's a boy, right? It sounds like a boy. I don't know. It's kind of weird, ambiguous. It's Pat. Check that sucker out. Whoa, what a trip. That is from another planet.

Check out the beak on that sucker. It's got a chicken beak. Dude, if there was a pond on the moon and we found that thing, that would be the number one article in the history of the world. Check that sucker out. If that thing was in a pond... Look at the blue one. What? That's insane. Think of the world. Check that sucker out. Was in a pond. Look at the blue one.

That's insane. Think of the camo of that sucker. That's a whole new like U.A. Barron camo. That's insane. Dude, all you see is that eyeball floating through the water. You're like, is that a milk dud? No, it's a parrot fit. Look at that guy. He's got a green eye.

He blended in even better. Doesn't that thing look like something that belongs in a different era? Yes. Everything in the sea is ten times cooler than on Earth. Do you agree with that? It's hard to get cooler than eagles. What? Hard to get cooler than an eagle.

Dude, look at that thing. It has a rhino bump. That's the rhino in the zoo that got its horn cut off. Yeah. With, like, some cool lips. But. Dinky eyeball. Here's what's cooler about eagles.

First of all, eagles live in my world. Respect. I'm all about the people that breathe air. So is that sucker. And the animals that breathe air next. All those water breathing motherfuckers can kiss my ass. Okay. I'm on team air breathers.

Second of all, what's gangster about the eagle is the eagle can manipulate 3d space where everybody else is Trapped on the ground the Eagles got a whole Different way of operating they can fly over and dive bomb on shit. They catch fish with their hands They just swoop down in the river and jack fish with their hands and carry them off They're there. They're existing in our world, but not by our rules. That's why they're the official mascot of the United States of America. Well, let me tell you this.

Please do. So, I just educated you on what I was educated on. Parrotfish poo. I'm baffled. Yep. So, get this. Don't blow my mind again, John Dudley. Dude, if you live with a 17 year old, which you will soon enough, you're going... Look at that.

Look at that sucker. Underwater iguana. Oh my God. What? Dude, I was just in Mexico. Those suckers are... What did you say? They can go 50 feet underwater.

What? You gotta watch the new Planet Earth 2. That's where the first one I watched was. Look at that thing. That is insane looking. That looks like a monster. This is literally... Is this Pacific Rim too?

Do you remember that little baby? What? That little baby like iguana running and all the snakes are chasing it? That was from Planet Earth. That's one of those getting hatched on the beach and it's running to the rest of the group. It was a real cool episode. That's an underwater iguana that we're looking at. This is crazy. These things look iguana that we're looking at. It's crazy.

These things look like monsters. They're just small. That's why Godzilla was such a dope movie. Dude, you're going to learn so much cool stuff when your kids are 17. Type in this. Type in coral ejaculation on full moon. Do you know about this? Thankfully, no.

How dare you? Wait till you find out what happens on a full moon at 8 o'clock. I don't want to know. You probably don't. I don't want to know. I'm scared now. It's like a bad hot tub at the Holiday Inn Express. Isn't it funny that people are so silly?

Like we know there's sharks in the water, but surfing is so much fun. We take our chance. Yeah, absolutely. That's with everything in life. Dance over the head of monsters. There's risk. That's a big one though. Short little ride.

Did you find anything? I found a video. National Geographic had a special on corals. National Geographic had a special on corals. I think it's like 8 p.m. on a full moon. I think coral literally drops it like it's hot. Really? Yep.

And how does it get the rest of the coral pregnant? Because coral is not a plant. No. I think it's... is it asexual? I'm seeing stuff called the coral spawn. Yep, there it is. And after we look at this, we got to check out all the new shit about the Great Barrier Reef. Whoa, that is crazy.

Look at that creature. This is coral, this is coral orgasms. That's what that is right there? Pretty much. Whoa, they go in those little holes. It's like that game at the carnival. Right? Isn't it?

Like the cum comes out in little balls and it goes in these round holes. Jamie, type in moonlight triggers mass coral romance. Whoa. Yep. This is stuff you learn from when you go to your 7 o'clock breakfast with your teenager, and he's a straight-A student. Wow. He's like, Dad, did you know?

Check this out. Moonlight triggers mass coral. I love how they put romance in quotes. It's politically correct. Till now, how the primitive animals which lack brains or eyes synchronize. So they're animals. Whoa. Wouldn't they be, would that not be considered a plant?

They're saying. For people that say plants don't have feelings. I don't know. Seriously. They're saying it's an animal. But what constitutes that? I don't understand it. I don't know.

Let's look that up in a second. But synchronized, the mass spawning was a mystery. Okay. In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers reveal that they have isolated an ancient gene in the coral's DNA that can detect moonlight. have isolated an ancient gene in the coral's DNA that can detect moonlight. By exposing the corals to different colors and intensities of light, the team found that the gene known as CRY2 was most active in acropora. That's corals.

During a full moon. Wow. Wow. Yeah. It encodes a type of protein known as a cryptochrome, which appears to trigger the coral's reproductive cycle. It's a werewolf. It's literally. It's a werewolf. At 8 p.m. on a full moon, certain coral literally.

It's a werewolf. Well, dude, that was getting back to what we were talking about earlier about bucks, about how strange they are, that they only breed once a year. For most of the year, there's no breeding. And then something happens and they all turn into fuck werewolves. Yeah. Crazy. I know this.

Bouncing. If that was true as humans, there'd be a big sign up at 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu. Oh, it'd be giant. Because people would be like, wait a minute, you're telling me once a year I gotta be gangster? And by the way, everyone would take steroids. Okay? If steroids

grew you antlers and everyone had antlers, no one would accept natural antlers. They would be like, okay, all bets are off, we're stabbing each other with weapons that grow out of our heads. I can't just play by the rules. Because when antlers clash and deer and elk, they kill each other all the time, right? You've stumbled upon all the time, right?

All the time. All the time. It's actually part of the program. Every year in Iowa on the different farms that I hunt, I find either two bucks that are locked together and dead or a buck that's dead kind of based on a puncture wound, right? They fight. Remember that we were actually, when we were at the Tohon, we talked about some of the elk that people took last year. And the manager said that one of the bulls they took was because of the fact he had broke his horn at one time and he grew that spear

out of the front yeah and they said he kept killing other elk because he when he would fight he literally had this broadsword where everything else had this like steel mace right yeah everything else they would connect almost like people like locking their hands hands in a game of mercy. And one guy had a freaking Wolverine spear, like a Terminator 2 freaking sword on his arm. That's exactly what he had. It was ridiculous. And they're like, okay, we got to drop T2. It's just a fascinating thing that these animals develop weapons every year. And they collide with each other and smash each other in the head.

And then they go back to normal. Like nothing ever happened. Well, is it that weird? It's a lot like guys. We talked about this. Yeah, but it's not. If we could only do it once a year, where would you go? If the quickening happened once a year, everybody started getting crazy

and horny and dudes were running red lights and breaking into people's houses. I'd go to my house and I'd lock the door. It's not good enough. It's not good enough. You've got to be able to stay awake. Because if deer were like people, people know how to open doors. I have to stay awake?

You've got to stay awake. I could stay awake. You've got to put metal all around the house. You've got to have all your friends over and everybody has guns. You've got to keep an eye out for the outside. They would call it the fuckinging. People just couldn't help it. For three or four days out of every year, everybody just loses their mind completely.

That would be the equivalent to what happens to animals when they're in the rut. Like we were talking about finding that poor doe, and all those men were just jumping her. What's that, the purge? It would be similar. Right, but I mean, not that it... Is The Quickening just mating? No, The Quickening is a weird one. It's one of the ones that Art...

It's the idea that Art Bell always brought up on that show. Did you ever listen to the Art Bell radio show? No. Oh, he's the best. He's the best. Art Bell was like this late-night radio host, a legendary late-night radio host that always entertained all these people he

had these people on the show that were psychics or they were bigfoot experts or they were they worked at area 51 experience 2015 yeah in many ways in many ways i owe it to art bell and i did his show and when i did his show was a huge honor for me like and I people are mad so they said that I it was some UFO researchers got pissed off at me because I was saying that most of what you see well it's I'm still intrigued by the idea of an alien life but I think I'm down with that during that what we're dealing with is a lot of people that are full shit and they're making things up that's what's going on and there's a lot of like these these these images that people doctor up then it gets proven they're doct things up. That's what's going on. And there's a lot of like these images

that people doctor up, then it gets proven they're doctored, but they get into the mindset, they get into the zeitgeist of these people that believe in UFOs and it becomes something that you really... And I was there. I used to be 100% in on Area 51, on Roswell. You were? Yeah.

Totally in? Yes. I thought for sure. In the rabbit hole. I thought for sure Hangar 18 in Ohio kept a UFO that crashed in Roswell. Yeah, I was convinced. A bend to Roswell. Were you ever convinced of that, Jamie? I've heard of things. Yeah.

Dayton area. Yeah. Dayton? That's what they said, right? Hangar 18. Wow. Ohio, yeah. Hangar 18 was in a movie. They had this terrible UFO movie back in the Dizzee about aliens. But the idea was that, who was the president during 1947? Was it Truman? I think it was Truman. He flew to New Mexico and then flew back with the wreckage.

And they flew it in two separate planes, the wreckage of this aircraft. It's true. It came from another. No, most likely not. But that's probably what a lot of people thought it was. What they think it was most likely either a crashed weather balloon or maybe some sort of a Russian. Zeppelin. Spy something or another.

They don't know what it was. Highly possible, right? Not a weather balloon. Yeah, a weather balloon, not a Zeppelin. Like one of those, they would use these weather balloons to spy on people. And there was another thing they did. This was a really fascinating episode of Radiolab. I wish I could remember it. But they, the name of it rather.

But they sent bombs. Japan sent bombs over to North America flying the jet stream in balloons. And they land. The idea was to send bombs without any soldiers across the ocean riding the jet stream and they would land in america and fuck people up and some of them didn't go off and people would find them like when they would go digging around for shit maybe some of the metal that's actually logical right it's happened people have died and they blew up if you let a helium which i did in like fourth grade i let a helium balloon up with a letter on it.

Oh, Jesus. And it said, like, whoever gets this, I'm from Johnsburg Elementary School or whatever. You know, please write me back. And then people would get these postcards that said, oh, your balloon landed in Ohio or your balloon landed in Michigan. So it's really not that far off mathematically, right? If you knew how long helium would last in a balloon versus the current of the air stream. They didn't guess it right though. They didn't have the proper ability to guess it right back then, but they did get some of them through and some of them did detonate, but a bunch of them

went missing and people did find some of them. But the episode is fascinating because you just think of the crazy mindset of people. Like one of the first things they figured out when they figured out that there's wind that travels in a very predictable current around the world. Okay, how do we fly something up there and drop it on people? Is it predictable though?

It is because it's a competitive advantage in the game of war. You know, the war in a lot of ways becomes a game for countries. Everybody rest of us has got the advantage Yeah, I'm really in that way, but obviously not We're not going to think of military wise 75% first yeah, right they could get to us quicker with the jet stream, but nobody's using the jet stream anymore I mean they had a brief window to kick our ass. If they're going to use missiles,

that's what scares me. Everybody's worried about Russia. What about North Korea? Don't they have missiles now? Isn't that guy kind of crazy? Didn't he just kill his half-brother? Shouldn't he? He had one missile, didn't he? They were really excited when one got off the ground.

Dude, if North Korea was made out of diamonds. Is that right? Weren't they really excited when one went up? I think they fired one recently and it went towards Japan? And they were really pumped. They're super pumped. So it's 2017 and they got

one to Japan. They're just letting bitches know. He's ready. He's ready to launch. But could you imagine if that place was made out of diamonds? How quick we'd be in there and fucking everybody up? They'd be like, yeah, man, we've got to protect the world. And these diamonds... What about oil?

Yeah. Oil's good, but diamonds are better. If you had a whole country filled with diamonds, you'd have to get those De Beers people on it. What about broadheads? Good broadhead? It's not worth nearly as much as diamonds. North Korea missile explodes within seconds of launch, US says. That's what they

would say. Yeah. They would say, yeah, that bitch just blew up. Motherfucker. I like how they take this picture of everyone at an outdoor theater watching it. They probably are required to watch it. I wouldn't imagine that that would be fake. What year was that minivan in that picture? Was that a Chrysler?

They get what they can get. It's probably a North Korea creation. Chrysler Caravan? they can get. It's probably a North Korea creation. Chrysler Caravan? Who makes that? That's probably a North Korea creation. Wait, is that a rabbit or a kangaroo? I can't even recognize what that is. They probably make their own cars, right? Yeah, probably.

Wait a minute. What? Koreans make their own cars? That's a missile launcher. That's not even legit. Are you sure? Yeah. What website is this?

NPR. Okay, I bet he's right. That's a scud. You you sure? Yeah. What website is this? NPR. Okay, I bet he's right. That's a scud. You think so? Yeah. It says people, what does it say? People with news footage of a missile launch outside the main railway station. Well, maybe this is just what their shitty design looks like.

A North Korea missile test failed just moments after launch Wednesday, according to U.S. and South Korea. Maybe they reproduced a scud. I'm debunking that. Might just be an old picture they used to use. My wife's way better at debunking. Why would NPR do that? Because it just happened today.

They didn't have an updated picture of people watching the missile launch. Don't be faking. Guys like John Dudley will fucking call you out. John. John Don Juan San. My tongue's not working today. The rye brain. It'sye brain I introduced you to this it's a good combination

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It's been here. It's been here a while, but this is a good bottle. I think that's a very presumptuous name. Angel's Envy. That's the point of it. Angels can fly, you fuck. They're like eagles, but they're like super tight with God. Okay, they're not envious of your whiskey. Way better.

Imagine people saying that. Like, yeah, my whiskey's so cool. People wish they weren't even angels. They can enjoy my whiskey. What kind of whiskey are you selling, sir? Yeah, we're behind. Angel's Envy. You know.

Angel's Envy. For those of you listening, thank you so much. But we do have, we have, the two of us have, we want to enjoy something together. It's called some wild pork roast. And Angel's Envy. I want you to know I'm just fucking around. I don't really. It's just a name.

It's a beautiful name. It's delicious whiskey. Are you worried about them being mad at you? I just want to be nice to people, man. That's what I'm trying to do in this life. Get through this life. Be as nice to as many people as possible. Jamie, thank you about looking up the cool stuff.

You're awesome. Jamie's on top of that Google thing. I need a Jamie so bad. Gosh. You don't say a Jamie. There's one Jamie. You need someone to perform similar functions. Jamie's trying to clone you.

People say I want a friend like a Joe Rogan. And I'm like, what? He called me out on Twitter. Because I shoot a bow. Lame. It's alright, man. Everybody. Yeah. Because I shoot a bow. Lame. It's all right, man. Everybody gets drunk. I'm down with it.

I'll say it. Is that how you got bombed and then called me out on Twitter? No, no, no. It's been very important to me, man. It helped me a lot. Tremendously. And I think it's cool that you put all that stuff online. It's on recovery.

Just telling you. Okay. Podcasting is about conversation, man. It's about just talk. And occasionally you want to figure out who wins a fight, short-faced bear or one of them bears in West Hollywood. I'm thankful you listen to my podcast for sure. Do I do? And I think people that are really interested in archery, like there's rabbit holes.

We're going to try it. There's levels you can get down the rabbit hole. Please try it. Try to find a good shop near you. Because of John and a lot of other people, there's some great resources online. So you can find out a lot about the art of archery.

Zen, the book of archery, you recommended that book to me. I thought it was really interesting, your take on it too. It seems like a guy who's not totally there, but he's talking about it. And he gets it. But you didn't think it was written by an elite archer.

No. See, that's so fascinating to me. What's funny is I read that book because I listened to my first GRE podcast. I read that book in Mexico, which actually you've... Remember, I laughed like the same day you were coming in. Yeah, totally. It was crazy. And I read that book and then I told you what my thoughts were on it.

And certain parts of it are really cool. Because there's certain parts of it that I can relate to for sure. But it's just like anything with yoga or meditation or anything else. It's all state of the mind right so it's also a in a language that's extremely complex and i don't think it's the same i don't think their interpretations of like we what we call things i don't think it matches up with the way they feel about things so when you translate something from japanese i can especially japanese from i think it was the 1400s yep when miyamoto musashi wrote the book of five rings you translate something from Japanese, especially Japanese from, I think it was the 1400s,

when Miyamoto Musashi wrote the Book of Five Rings, you translate from that to today, I think you're missing a lot. You're also missing the reality of their life, the futile life and death. I could agree with that. The reality of sword fights and that there's an intensity to their existence that I think is very, very difficult for us to quantify today. And that book, you almost have to sit down and think for a long time before you open that book.

You got to put yourself, and don't just read the words, read the words and imagine that this is an interpretation of someone's words in Japanese who was maybe the greatest guy that ever lived at fucking people up with swords. But he was really into calligraphy and he's really into art and poetry and he was really into meditation. And he was really into mind games. He was a totally different kind of figure because he seemed to me in a lot like when you're trying to talk about mastering archery or trying to master jiu-jitsu, there's things that are vehicles for you to try to develop your potential.

And some vehicles are more extreme than others. Like our friend Cam Haynes, who likes to run ultra marathons. And then he ran the Bigfoot 205 pound marathon 205 mile marathon which is insane i mean those people that pick those paths like that what there's in in some sort of strange way people that pick these like super extreme paths are kind of redefining what people are capable of you know and engaging with the most extreme aspects of life there and then they turn life up to ten and then regular life becomes almost unsufferable it's really fascinating man like with me our tree would be ten which

most people can't even relate to that right yeah most people have a hard time finding anything that they really really sync with. But what I think is that when you see a guy like, you know, like a super athlete, like Mighty Mouse, when you see a fully dedicated super athlete, when you see, I mean, there's a lot of consequences to what Mighty Mouse does, extreme consequences. But then you go one more level, and that's sword fighting. I mean, these fucking people that lived in feudal japan the roans they would he killed 60 something people with swords yeah in one-on-one you looking at each other and just fucking chopping people up yeah like mayweather's is mayweather 39 and 0 49 and 0 49 and 0 490. Imagine him being that guy. Yeah.

It's another level. Right. 49-0 in boxing. And it's not up to a judge. That's up to a sword. Oh, yeah. It's totally different. Well, his style would never work.

I mean, it would work. McGregor, Mayweather. It actually would work a little bit because you're so vulnerable. McGregor or Mayweather. Are we changing subjects? Yes. Look, Mayweather is a way better boxer. There's just no doubt about it.

He's one of the greatest boxers, if not the greatest boxer that's ever lived. And even though he's smaller, you're talking about a completely different level of skill. A completely different level of understanding of the subtle nuances of boxing. But that said, Conor McGregor is not incompetent. He's very dangerous. Floyd Mayweather is a way better boxer. But Conor McGregor is dangerous as fuck. And he has a really deceptive ability

to move in and move out. He can cover distance very quickly. Yeah. And he can do so in a weird way. He can do so in a way where he might stun you. He might stun you and he might catch you early and he hits really fucking hard.

But if Floyd can figure him out and start using his jab and using his movement... See, Floyd has traditionally had problems with southpaws, but he's never lost one. He's still... And he's talking about professional boxers. You also have the bigger glove factor. Conor's

going to be wearing bigger gloves than he's ever fought in the UFC before. The UFC gloves are four ounces. Most likely, if I was Floyd, I would insist on 10 ounce gloves. I would want this motherfucker to have a lot of padding on his knuckles. Go eight. I don't know if they're going to do that. I think everything below one...

Conor, knock that sucker out. Oh, you're so silly. What is the weight that they wear above 160? I think it's 10 ounces above 160 and 8 ounces below. I've been to two Connor fights with you. He's incredible. And all I can say is when Connor hits a guy, their face instantly shows the fact that they don't know that it was really that. Is that fair to say?

They don't know that it was really that, meaning that he hits so hard, he stuns them with his power. I know I'm going to get hit with that left, but when they actually get hit with the left, a person's expression reveals what they actually felt. And I think people feel like it's harder than what they did in training. Well, you know that people can... Is that true? Yeah, for sure.

Well, you know that people can run faster than people, right? You know there's certain people that have special gifts. Right. They have special gifts of athletic movement. And some people have, in extraordinary ways, gifts of power when it comes to striking. And it doesn't make any sense. But I've seen it from people where you see what you think is hard, and then you see someone else, and you go, what in the fuck? Yeah.

Like, there's a video of George Foreman hitting the heavy bag. Right. And George Foreman was, I don't know if he had fought Ali yet. I don't know when this, I think this was before the Joe Frazier fight. I might be wrong about that. But pull up George Foreman hitting the bag, because it's a really recent clip that's been going around. Some people have sent it to me on Twitter.

For sure heavy. Heavy bags? Yeah. Oh, yeah, you can see it. You see the bag. You see him watch it. But you've got to hear it. Listen to the sound of this. And he's winding up, doubt about it, but what he's not trying to work on form

He's just work on power. Look at this You got it you got to see when they show him really digging in see he's like swinging It seems to me that of all the people I've seen hitting heavy bags, including Sonny Lisbon, no one ever hit it the way Foreman did. And he would just wail these full power punches, and when he would fight people, like when he fought

Joe Frazier, he hit him with punches that you could tell Frazier had never been hit like that before. And he's not even moving his feet. Watch this. Look at this. Josh Foreman. Fire.

Fire. Jeff. Boom. Dude, those last two are insane. So his ability to single power punch was so extraordinary that almost no one could stand in front of him and withstand that sort of a barrage. That's a freak athlete, and those come along.

And when those come along, if they're smart, too, and then they're really good at learning the sport, too, a lot of people are fucked. And good at trash talking. Yes, and that's where Conor McGregor is. He's a freak athlete in the sense that he has what— there's a guy named Firas Zahabi who's one of the best trainers in MMA, George St. Pierre's trainer.

He calls it the touch of death. That's the best way to describe it. He just zaps people. I saw it. I mean, I saw when he hits people with that left. It doesn't look like you watch Brock Lesnar wind up and crack someone, which I saw. And then you see Conor, which you don't even realize the punch came in,

and then their face is like swelling up instantly. That's like what we just saw with Foreman. Yeah, well, it's extraordinary for sure. The difference between that and Foreman is obviously Foreman has big heavyweight gloves on, and he's punching a bag that a guy's holding, and there's a lot of padding between that dude and the bag. It would be interesting to see someone. When you see someone stand in front of Foreman and foreman will hit them he was like one

of the most extraordinary power punchers in history because it didn't it was like have you ever been close to an airport and you see a big like 757 coming in and you're like is that thing gonna fall it's too big to be am i right yeah but that's what Foreman's, when he would swing, you would think, okay, that's not doing much, and then you would just see people wrinkle. Yeah. Well, he was a big guy, but not big by today's standards. I think Foreman was probably only like 220-something back in the day. See if you could pull up George Foreman versus Joe Frazier.

He got way big as he got older. When he came back, he was super heavy. He was well over 300 pounds when he made his comeback. I think he was like 36 years old. Nobody took it seriously. Then he started blasting people. And after a while, people were like,

wait, what? He just knocked out George Cooney. Is it possible for Conor to blast? 217. Look at that. He was 217 when he fought Joe Frazier. That's lighter than me. But look up the video.

That's lighter than me right now. Yeah, that's a UFC light heavyweight before they cut weight. Like, Jon Jones probably weighs more than that, which is kind of crazy. But watch when he started connecting. It's a quick fight, man. It's a quick fight. George Foreman was fucking terrifying.

Just go, like, deep into it, and you can watch the pummeling he gave him on the ropes. It's horrendous, man. Yeah, when he hit him, he just shook. I remember this fight. And he pushed him off, and boom, look at this. Look at that. That's like him hitting the heavy bag. The guy's just like, what the hell?

Dude, look how fucking powerful Foreman was back then. Look at that. Oh, my God. That uppercut when Frazier collapses. Dude, play that again. This is insane. He was just so murderous. Oh, my God. He was actually shook then before he got that. This is insane. He was just so murderous. Oh, my God.

You saw it. Oh, my God. He was actually shook then, before he got that. A hundred percent, man. Boom. But this last uppercut here is, boom. I mean, come on. It's incredible.

Foreman was so scary. Look at his hips. He's so scary. Yeah, Joe Frazier took a horrible shot. Now, today they would probably stop the fight, I'd imagine, because he looked super wobbly. Dang it. But look at that. He would miss out.

Right there they would stop the fight. No, well, it was a quick knockout, man. That looked fake almost. No, it didn't look fake at all. It did. No, man, you don't know what you're talking about. He's wobbly because his central nervous system shut off. He's wobbly because of what he took about 30 seconds ago.

Yeah. Not because of what he just took right then. Oh, but that was part of it. That's why I said they would have stopped the fight. That was like a cherry dropping on the top. Yeah, but it didn't look fake. It didn't look fake. It was a guy who just...

I don't say it's fake, but I'm just saying... I know what you're saying. It looks weird. Because they kept the match going, it didn't take much to finish it. Right. Boom. Dude, he was terrified gosh yeah he's like i don't want any more of these like cinder blocks dropped on my face what was incredible is that you know

frazier had gone 15 rounds muhammad ali right and then you see that you're like wow this is the scariest guy ever and that's why they thought that george flan was going to kill muhammad ali it was so depressing to people i remember when i was a kid, my parents loved Muhammad Ali. It's like one of those things that people, the generation loved him because he didn't fight in the Vietnam War, and he wanted to protest against these senseless wars, and so they stripped him of his title for three years. He was a different guy.

He represented so much to people back then in some sort of a weird way. So when he fought George Foreman, people were so terrified that he was going to get beat up that Hunter S. Thompson didn't watch the fight. He was sent to Africa to watch the fight. He had tickets to be ringside at the fucking fight to report for it for the Rolling Stone. You know what he did? He just fucked around and wore a Nixon mask and climbed in a swimming pool and hung out all day and drank.

He just did. He's like, fuck this. I'm not going to go see that. He was convinced that Muhammad Ali was going to get killed, and he loved Muhammad Ali. He didn't want to see a legend die. He didn't want to see it. And he missed the greatest come-from-behind upset victory

in arguably the history of the heavyweight division, even bigger than when he knocked out Sonny Liston to win the title. That was a big upset because everybody thought that Sonny Liston was just this fucking killer and this young kid talked a lot of shit. But once Sonny got a hold of him, he'd be fucked. But nope. He boxed his face off. So you don't know.

You don't know because we've never seen Connor box. What would you say? Mayweather's a way better boxer. But the consequences of Connor hitting you should be greater. And I say should be because I think he's certainly a stronger puncher than Mayweather, right? Right. But he has boxing gloves on. How much more of an effect is his punch going to have when he has a giant padded glove?

I would assume there's going to be a diminishing amount of the impact. For sure, it would be less. Yes, for sure. But how much? Also, the ability to block punches. It's far easier to block punches when you have big gloves on. Because when you have big gloves on, if you watch a guy like Floyd, he catches punches.

It's a shield. Yes. He catches punches and he's... Or even deflection. And he's magical at moving away with them. Like he gets hit and he's hopping away on his feet, so you're catching the end of shots. I don't know.

Conor, as much as, I mean, I'm not a UFC buff, but all I can say is I've seen Conor McGregor shots go in when I didn't even know they were going there. Oh, yeah, for sure. But, again, a 4-ounce glove is lighter than an 8-ounce glove. The punches are not going to be as fast. If it's a 10-ounce glove, it's definitely slower than a 10-ounce glove. That's a good separation of boxing versus UFC then.

Well, there's also a good separation of the fact that there's many more openings when you have smaller gloves. When you have smaller gloves, it's much more difficult to cover your face. So, Conor has extraordinary power. He's got extraordinary movement and he's bigger. He's a far bigger guy. I mean, he's a big frame guy

and he's strong and young. Floyd Mayweather is 40 years old. He's arguably the greatest boxer of all time. I mean, he's a phenomenal

craftsman. Like, the way he understands the art of hitting and not being hit is extraordinary because he's not running away from guys. No.

He'll stand right in front of you. He's selective, right? Yeah. He'll stand right in front of you and be untouchable. He's only been rocked, like legitimately rocked, maybe twice or three times in his whole career. He's outstanding. What if he took those away?

What if he took when he got rocked versus when Diaz choked him out do you think we're talking about two different fighters what do you think Conor McGregor got choked out by Nick Diaz or Floyd Mayweather got rocked no I'm talking when

Conor got hit pretty hard and he came back versus when Nate just choked him out if you eliminate Nate choking him out, do you think he's got the heart to really stand through a full fight with Mayweather? Well, he certainly does because he went through a full

fight with Nate Diaz. He won the rematch in a five-round war. Yeah, which was good. You can never guess. Like, anybody who guesses what a guy has as far as heart and determination, it's foolish. He'll show you with his actions or she'll show you with her actions. You can never guess. Anybody who guesses what a guy has as far as heart and determination, it's foolish. He'll show you with his actions or she'll show you with her actions. You can't guess.

So whenever people guess, they start saying, oh, he'll never be able to survive a tough fight or he doesn't have the guts. Then you mistake your understanding of what you see in front of you for what's going to happen. And that's what a lot of people do with Muhammad Ali versus George Foreman. So a lot of people are what's going to happen. And that's what a lot of people did with Muhammad Ali versus George Foreman. So a lot of people doing a lot of fights. One of the things that makes this fight intriguing is we've never seen Floyd box a guy like Conor McGregor, and we've definitely never seen Conor McGregor box, especially at a level that the UFC, or excuse me, that Floyd Mayweather is at.

So him coming from being a two-division UFC champion will help his confidence. He'll be scary. And one of the things that he said that's a psychological thing that no one could ever say to floyd before he said listen do you the way he goes he goes the only reason why this thing is fair is because we're playing by boxing rules if it was a fight i would fucking kill him and the way he said it was like 100 accurate 100 accurate and he but he said in saying that something no one's ever been able to say to Floyd. I will fuck you up. And Floyd's going to know that. At any moment, if Conor wanted to just slide a little back and start kicking his face

or kicking his legs out from under him, he wouldn't know what the fuck to do. Do you think he knows how to block a wheel kick? He's going to get kicked in the back of the fucking head. Say Conor popped the referee and then just wheel kicked Mayweather. He would have to get close enough to him to do that and it wouldn't be as easy as it seems. But the distance between punching and kicking is pretty substantial.

And Conor closes that distance in a really fast and really spectacular way. He comes at you with shit. Front kicks to the body and you're trying to figure out where he's coming and what he's coming with. Very unpredictable. So I think in a boxing match, if you have $100 and you have to bet on someone, the odds are going to most certainly favor Floyd Mayweather because it's a boxing match.

If it was a fight, it would be $100 million to one that Conor McGregor would fuck him up. I mean, I'm not exaggerating. I'm putting my $100 on Conor. Of course I'm exaggerating. No one would give you those kind of odds. I'm putting my $100 on Conor. But it would definitely be something ridiculous. If it was a fight.

Don't you think? What would it be? If it was a fight. An MMA fight. I don't know. It would be a hundred million to one. If I hadn't have seen Connor live. If I hadn't have seen Connor live and how people's faces looked when they got tagged by him the first time.

Right. I would say I would put money on Mayweather based on what you just told everyone with $10 to do. But the fact that I've seen people get cracked by him and I've seen their face swell up by him, I don't know. I think he's going to freaking rock him. A lot of people in America do,

and that's why we're going to sell it on Pay-Per-View. John Dudley, Pay-Per-View. Coming soon. Apparently they're trying to do it in September. Let's bust out of here. We've got a hog to cook before I've got a flight. They're trying to do it in September. So that's what I heard on the internet. September now? I know as much as you people know. I just think if it does happen... That's elk season. Yeah.

It's better in June. That's a problem. Thank you, sir. We've got to get out of here. Fun times this weekend. Yeah, we've got to cook up some wild pig. Powerful Jamie. I like that beard. Powerful. Matches his shirt and hat. We'll be back get out of here. Fun times this weekend. Yeah, we've got to cook up some wild pig. Powerful Jamie. I like that beard. Powerful. Matches his shirt and hat. We'll be back tomorrow with Rob Wolf.

See you. Bye. Glitter. Glitter. Glitter.