The Joe Rogan Experience - #944 - Scott Eastwood & Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: April 11, 2017

Scott Eastwood is an actor and model, and is also in "The Fate of the Furious" releasing in theaters on April 14. Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, “training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator.”

Doom doom doom doom doom three two one Oh ladies and gentlemen we got a sweet show today Cameron Haynes is in the building ladies and gentlemen Cameron Haynes. What's up? What's up, brother? Scott motherfucking Eastwood is in the house And if you can't see me it's because I'm wearing this sweet Under Armour camo shirt And I do tend to blend into the background so if you get confused and go Why's Joe's head just floating in the air like that, but it's but if you if you could see it

You'd be you'd notice you look jacked in it It's tight form-fitting Killing it killing it. It's a floating head so cams in town. We're shooting bows today, and I know he gave you a bow yesterday Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, We went down to Riverside Archery to check out throw me a bow. So that was cool. You had an old bow.

We had an upgrade, didn't we? What was your old bow? It was an old Ross. It was probably from Ross Dress for Less. Same company? I don't know if you've heard. Is Ross an archery company? A big archery company? like Ross probably from like Ross dress for less. Yeah. Same company. No, I didn't,

I didn't even hear it. Is Ross an archery company, a big archery company? No, no, it's small. Yeah. I don't,

I don't know. I'm not even sure if they still probably don't make them anymore. This was like a secondhand bow. I bought off somebody, uh, years ago. So is this something you wanted to do for a while and somehow or another, you got a hold of cam?

Uh, I don't remember how we got, uh, connected. If we like Instagram, he likes to say, I slid him a deal. You know, like, and somehow or another you got a hold of Cam? I don't remember how we got connected. It was through Instagram. He likes to say I slid him a DM. It's all going down in the DMs. Some desperate girl.

But I think, I mean, I always put up hunting stuff, obviously, and I think you commented maybe or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it wasn't like an unsolicited DM. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, hey, I'd like to get to know you a little better. But I think it was. Which would have been okay, too.

It's all good. I mean, it's 2017. Everybody's free to express themselves and the way they feel. Yeah. So it was something like that built on, and then we just started archery, or talking archery, then hunting.

And he grew up and has hunted and had the bow. And so he got done with his movie stuff and was here and thought, hey, let's get together. Also the public land stuff, too. I've been noticing you guys both have been talking about that. And so I was really interested in that. So I started reading up about it. And I just said, you know, hey, how can I help? How can I get involved?

Because this means a lot to me. I'm a native Californian. I get involved because this means a lot to me. I'm a native Californian and I grew up going to Yosemite, you know, going hunting, going fishing, using the public lands. And so it was really important to me. You know, my dad was a state parks commissioner. Most people don't know that. So when was this?

What point in his life? This was, this was gotta be. Before he was the mayor? No, no, no, no. After. Really? Yeah, this was after. So fairly recently then? Yeah, probably was after. So fairly recently then.

Yeah, probably in the last, I would say, 15 years. I mean, I know he did it for a while and then got out. But, you know, he was big in the, do you remember the toll road going through San Clemente? No, I'm not aware of that. Yeah, so they were proposing, this was when Arnold Schwarzenegger was in office, and they were proposing a toll road to go through San Clemente, which goes through Trestles, which is a popular surf break. And he was, you know, everyone got behind it.

Surf Rider Foundation didn't want it because it was going to destroy the wave and ultimately destroy the national park there. And so he was big on that kind of stuff and and so I've always been you know sort of following his Footsteps saying and we got it. We got to get in front of this problem. Dude. Your dad's Clint Eastwood That's crazy. Yeah, that is so crazy. What is it like having Clint Eastwood as a dad like what's your dad do? My dad is Clint Eastwood, bitch People just feel like oh shit. They just walk away confused like what happened to me. I just got hit with a rock And you look like a man

Like what I'm looking at you. I see your dad like yeah from the old outlaw Josie Wales days. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's good. You know what's crazy is looking at photos of him when he was 12, and I was 12 You cannot tell the difference you put him in both in black and white you can't tell the difference Wow Yeah, that's a trip. Yeah, what was it like growing up with him as a dad? When did you realize like holy shit? I think I realized I'm 31 so I probably realized when I was about Eight I watched unforgiven. Oh Yeah, he let probably realized when I was about eight. I watched Unforgiven. Oh.

Yeah. He let you watch that when you were eight? That's my favorite Clint Eastwood movie ever. Yeah, yeah. Well, High Plains Drifter is right up there, too. I don't know. It's hard to lock them down. Sure, sure.

But The Unforgiven is a dark movie, man. Yeah, it's dark. It's dark. William Money. William Money. Killer of Women and Children. Ooh, that's a dark movie, man. We all got it coming.

Yeah. That's what he says in that one. I love that. It was probably one of the most realistic killers, too. The way he handled stuff and the way everybody else was falling apart. You never saw that in those movies. Well, it was about regret. It was about a life filled of regret and filled with things know things that you did wrong that you

wish you could have you know done better and you know it was sort of a lat one last ride to you know beat to do something better for his kids you know so I think that was sort of interesting it was it was sort of a final culmination of all his Westerns it really was and almost like he updated them all too yeah because like in the movies, like you'd have cowards and you'd have heroes and stuff like that. But in the unforgiven, he took it to a totally different level, like psychologically, you know, like even the way he, like the switch goes off when he starts drinking and then

he starts just fucking murking everybody. Like the way it was handled, it seemed so realistic. The way everybody would fall apart and gunfights and the way i gotta watch that again now it's been a while yeah now i'm like this sounds awesome it's fucking great it's a fucking great movie i remember seeing it i remember the movie i went to see in the movie theater and when the credits rolled the end i just want to just whoa yeah powerful one yeah it. Yeah, it's an intense movie, man. Fucking intense.

So when you're eight, you figured it out? Like that movie? Right around then, yeah. I remember watching it. I'm not sure if I watched it with him or shortly after he made it. And just thinking, you know, that is the coolest thing. And I want to do that. You know, I want to be in movies.

I want to tell stories. You know, I want to I want to be in movies. I want to tell stories like that Wow, how so how many and you have brothers and sisters and so how did all that work? Yeah, I've got it. I've got a few sisters. My dad was a busy guy How many kids in the family? Well, how many wives? Yeah, let's just go that there's a there's he's only had two wives, but he's had a few girlfriends, a few different babies, mamas. Yeah. So did you live with him?

I did. I did. I would bounce back and forth. I lived with my mom. I lived with my mom in California until I was about seven or eight. And then I lived, then she moved, she packed up. This was kind of around the time when they split. Was your mom an actress too? No, no, no, no, no. She was just a normal person. Yeah. Flight attendant. She had two kids with my dad and we, she packed up, I think when

they sort of split and she moved to Hawaii. She had lived there when she was a lot younger. And so she had always loved Hawaii. And so I had gone to Hawaii to live probably from about 8 to about 16. Wow. Yeah. And then I ultimately moved back with my dad for the last couple years of high school. So yeah, it was an interesting upbringing, right? I mean, you know, one hand I was my dad for for some time when I was in Hawaii Living there and you know, I don't know if you know anything about Hawaii as a white boy growing up

You're you're the minority. Yeah. Yeah, so it was it was a lot of a Lot of fistfight you show up with a Howley t-shirt on Howie's rule pretty much. I mean, that's that's you know, a lot of people don't you. It's pretty, you know, Hawaii is very from like a warrior society still. And that's a great thing, kind of, because it's still, it's very primal. And it's also, you know, sort of, it's one of those things where there's not a lot of tolerance for, you know, someone that you don't know or part of your family. And so, you know, for me, it't know or part of your family. Um, and so, you know, for me, it was, it was, it was tough. It was, it was, did they accept you eventually? You know, sports, sports, uh, sports really bridged that gap. Uh, football, I played football and that was,

that really, it was tough. Cause the first year they were like, no, they were like, you know, get the fuck out of here. Um, yeah sucked. Yeah you know I was I was a kid then I was probably you know I don't know I can't remember 10 or so playing peewee football right and then as you know as I would you know you know prove myself that I was down for hard work and you know down to throw hits that you know that sort of you know bridged to throw hits that, you know, that sort of, you know, bridged the gap. And then ultimately they were part of my team. And then, so we would, you know, go to other schools and, you know, play other schools. And then I was still the Howley boy to everybody else,

but they had my back now. So that was cool. That had to be a bizarre time, man, to be a 10 year old and all of a sudden be in that environment. Sure that was um it was different it was uh yeah i didn't know any better because i'm right okay well this is what i gotta deal with now is that cards i got dealt so they're gonna man up yeah i have a bunch of buddies who live in hawaii and you know they say that if you're respectful and you're you know you're not a douchebag like after a while you just fit right in and everybody's cool with it. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's, uh, I grew up also as a surfer, you know, growing up, growing

up surfing. And so there's definitely a pecking order and a respect there that you have to learn, uh, or you're going to learn the hard way. Um, and, and that's, I think that was a good thing, you know, ultimately, cause it kind of humbles you, um, and, and makes you you and makes you know your place, which is good. Did you start training jiu-jitsu there? I started, you know, actually, one of my good buddies who passed away, Paul Walker, got me into jiu-jitsu. He got me in about six years ago, maybe more now. Yeah, he was like a purple belt, right? Or a brown belt? Yeah, he was a about six years ago, six, maybe plus, maybe more now.

Yeah. He was like a purple belt, right? Or a brown belt. Yeah. He was a brown belt when he died. Um, and so, yeah, he, he was, I mean, he was, you know, diehard. I mean, he had a place in Hawaii actually. And he had a, he would, he would go get mats and he would get his place outfitted so he

could practice at home. Oh, wow. Um, and he got me, he got me involved and that's you know that's another thing that's great about over there is like you really realize like obviously you know Jits is like the ultimate humbling yeah you know for people especially for you know I think for men carry a lot of ego around or carry a lot of you know you know I think as men we're trying to figure out who we are, especially when we're young It really calms your ego down because you always know, you know I'm gonna choke some people out and people are gonna choke me out. Yeah, and it's just no matter what level you're at

You also get it out of your system like though Sure one a big part of what men do they puff their chest up because they want to prove themselves and they haven't yet Yeah, and they don't know and so they want to like put up this air like there's some bad motherfucker because they're insecure it's just they don't know and once you've done it a bunch of times and you know trained for a few years it just it all calms down yeah you notice like all the all the you know guys who do it consistently or the high level guys just so calm yeah so calm and that's actually one thing i noticed about guys just so calm yeah so calm and that's actually one thing i noticed about cameron too he's like he's a calm motherfucker because he spends a lot of time out in the wilderness and i think that has a big uh you know with the world we live in now today yeah we're yeah and we talked about

we talked about this some some of the experiences the stressful experiences and the hard i mean life here is never hard, really. The challenges we face in the regular everyday world. Sometimes you have traffic, dude. Sometimes the line at Starbucks is huge. I know. That's hard. Aside from that.

Sometimes they spell your name wrong. That is tough. They spell Cam with a K. Right. But so, I mean, it puts it in perspective. It's just kind of like what you're saying. But, yeah, you need experiences like that. Just you kind of simulate those in training or in, you know, the hunts that I do or the races that I do.

And it keeps it in perspective. So you don't get wound up over the little stuff. It's like no biggie. There's also like there's a humbling just being in the woods. Yeah. You just realize like, oh, this doesn't matter if I never existed. No. Like if human beings were never invented, these woods would be exactly like this.

No. And I've thought about that a lot. I've been in the mountains. And, you know, I'd say if something happens, if, you know, who knows, you die for whatever reason, nothing there changes an iota. Yeah. I mean, it's nothing. So it's like your existence doesn't even matter. Yeah. And I think we we need, we feel too self-important sometimes. I think some people do. Sure. And so in that situation, you're like, okay, this I'm, I'm, you know, nothing really. My friend, uh, Ryan Callahan, you know, Ryan from first light.

Yeah. He was out in the woods, uh, with a two friend of his and they, uh, and they, they work for the park. They were like Rangers or something. And, uh, they work for the park. They work like rangers or something. And they found a human skull. And they're like, whoa. And it just puts it all in perspective. Like you're out deep, deep in the back country

and you find a human skull. And it's just like, okay, yeah, this is real. This was a person. Something went wrong. Yeah. And they just never never found them and you know just happens could be a bear could be a cat could be a trip lightning yeah yeah i mean lightning happens a lot to people oh yeah yeah but i was i was uh i was telling you the other

day cameron about uh i would do a lot of reading about um about like circadian rhythms in in our in our body because because I've had chronic Sleepwalking chronic night terrors since I was a little kid. What is night terrors? What's the difference in night terrors and sleepwalking? I don't know. I mean I've had both so what is the night terrors a night terror would be you know Sort of you wake up in the middle of night, you know to scream yelling. Oh, that's That's a bad dream and they can sort of I think they can coincide with sleepwalking probably you know so stress related I think so it's hard to say I got him when I was young when I started getting him I think when I was about in sixth grade so I don so I don't know if it was, if it was, uh, if it was

stress related or, or, or what it was. Um, but I started getting them and then, um, you know, I've had, I've had them and I'm 31 now. And I, so I've been reading a lot about that. And I obviously listened to your podcast a lot about, um, just about the way humans are supposed to operate in the natural life cycle, right? And, you know, you, you, you wake up in the morning cause it gets light and you go to bed because it gets dark and we're screwing that all up with the TVs and the phones and all the, all the stuff. And anytime I've ever been in the wilderness to do a lot of backpacking and you know been a lot of hunting trips and fishing and stuff it's it really calms uh my body down a lot and uh what they said was in all the reading i've done is is that um your your creation of melatonin is in your optics

because of like the assimilation of light so when it gets dark your your mind's supposed to create more melatonin which obviously you know puts you to sleep but because we don't have that or we're manipulating that it's uh it's changed everything that's why they invented ambient yeah it works great yeah i mean it's just a lot of people out there that are taking pills that just knock them out yeah you know just in order to deal with the fact that we're constantly surrounded by lights and staring at your phone before you go to bed and watching TV and go to the bathroom when the light's bright. Your body doesn't know what that is. No. And that's when we were talking about this yesterday.

It's like I said, I've never been born at peace and relaxed and slept as well as I have in the mountains. You know, there's an adjustment period, it seems like. Sure. as well as I have in the mountains, you know, once there's an adjustment period, it seems like, but once I'm there, it's just like, I've never been, I don't want to make it sound like anything bad at home, but I mean, I've never been more, uh, I don't know. I don't know if it's happy or just more content content. That's exactly right. More content than I am in the mountains. It feels like that's just natural. That's how it's supposed to be. Well, people really are supposed to interface with the wild, with the wilderness, the same way all animals are. We've just created these weird structures over the past few thousand years.

When you really think about civilization, we only figured out how to talk 40,000 years ago. Yeah. You know, I mean, or the wheel, right? The wheel was, you know, I mean, Yeah. You know? Or the wheel, right? The wheel was, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think the wheel is... No. Yeah, it's a little longer than that.

It's somewhere around 6,000 years ago they figured out the wheel, which is just hilarious. Here's the best way to put that in perspective. So let's say it's 5,500 years ago. That's essentially a person lives to be 100. That's 55 people ago, 55 people ago, they were just dragging shit around. That's, that's insane. That's insane. Yeah. 55 people ago. And then before that, you know, you just go back a few more people and they were grunting. Yeah. I mean, they, they, they hadn't even figured out how to write things down. They,

you know, it's really nuts. Or, or even, you know It's really nuts. Or even crazier to think about is how we've taken airplanes and perfected that in the last 50 years. Before that, you couldn't just get on an airplane and be anywhere in the world in 24 hours. Oh, yeah. It's a totally new experience. 1903. You want to hear the craziest fucking statistics ever? Okay. Between the time the plane was invented,

between the invention of the airplane and someone dropping an atomic bomb out of the airplane, it was less than 50 years. Jeez. Yeah. That's crazy what we do to each other. I know. It was like somewhere like 44 years or something like that

between the invention of the airplane by the Wright brothers, the first flight, and then a bomb dropping on Hiroshima. Yeah. And then now there's Fast and Furious 8, and they got bombs. Oh, I like the segue. Nice plug there. Dude, bro, you should be a publicist. No, it's totally unrelated.

Just thought of that. How many of those have you done? No, this is the first one that I've done. This is the first one. Yeah, this is the eighth. This will be the eighth one. And they're going to do 10, right? So they're doing them back to back.

Is that what they're doing? I think that's the plan. You know, I'm not, you know, I'm sure Vin Diesel and the producers have, you know, the plan set. But I mean, that's the whispers I hear that we do a couple more. I think 10 would be cool. We made it this far. Might as well go to 10, right?

Now, can you tell us, does your character survive? Can you give us a spoiler alert? Are you allowed to? I saw the movie. Oh, you can tell me then. You're not obligated. You didn't have to sign anything, did you? It was good last night.

I mean, Scott had a big role. It was cool because I didn't know. You never know. It was just like I didn't ask, didn't anything. But, yeah, he's all over it the whole time. So It was cool because I didn't know. You never know. I didn't ask, didn't anything, but yeah, he's all over it the whole time. So it was cool. He did a good job. Let's just say it's a good one and everyone will like it. Are you a muscle car guy? Do you like muscle cars? Yeah, I'm a classic car guy. I like classics. I love the old 60s Ferrari between Ferrari

and Ford, that whole rivalry back then. Oh, like the GTs? Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I'm actually getting the opportunity to purchase one of the new GTs coming out in 2017. Really? Dude, that thing looks insane. Insane. And they're making only 100 this year. What a bunch of

cunts. Why would you make 100? I'm so excited about it. Why would you make 100? 7 billion people. You're going to of cunts. Why would you make a hundred? I'm so excited about it. Why would you make a hundred? There's seven billion people. You're going to make a hundred cars? Assholes. They're collectibles. Well, what?

So, I mean, how much do they charge for those for a hundred of them? Well, I think the price is about $350,000. $350,000. Yeah, yeah. Pull up a picture of this fucking thing. It's a beast. Look at that thing. That's the new one. Oh, my God. Insanity. Yeah, yeah. Pull up a picture of this fucking thing. It's a beast. Look at that thing. That's the new one. Oh my god. Insanity.

Yeah. Configurator. Why are they letting you configure it if you can't even fucking buy it? Just a bunch of teases, Ford. What are you doing? First of all, that doesn't even look like a Ford. That looks like a Ford on planet Mars. It's pretty cool, right?

It's changing the color. It looks kind of like a Ferrari, doesn't it? Jamie's getting crap. It looks better than a Ferrari. Oh, it looks better. I think it's better than a Ferrari. That's a badass looking car. God. Let me see if you got some other angles on it.

Is there any other angles? Ooh, look at that. Ooh, pretty. You know what looked good? I like the hood. Oh, my God. Some camo on there. Hey, is there camo on there?

Ridge Reaper option. Look at that fucking car oh my god what a beast yeah i think i might get one too actually wow go for it dude go for it get rid of the ram my whole life of uh salary but that's all right 350 000 but meanwhile the way they're making cars today that thing is gonna be insane Yeah, but that'll be like a piece of art You know that that will be you know like the the GT You know the older GTS that have gone up in value because they just don't you know They're the me you know it's hard to say that about new cars though so much plastic and stuff

They just don't seem to people don't want them. You know like if you get a 1960s car it's worth a shitload of money today. But a 1990s car ain't worth shit. You know what I mean? It's like, there's no classics from 1990. There's a couple Porsches, like 964s from the 90s or 993s, the last of the air-cooled cars. They're still worth some money.

They're classics. But that's kind of it. Like, maybe a few classic Ferraris from that day, but like a Camaro from 1990? Push that thing off a cliff and shoot at it while it's on its way down. Hey, don't let your girl drive that car.

Oh, she got issues? We were saying before that she crashes things a little bit. She's got a history of a long history. Let's leave it at that. Hey, listen. People can't be great at everything. Yeah, that's true. Have you seen the new Acura NSX? No.

Jesus Christ. Look at this thing. Jamie, pull that up if you're into cars. Acura built the last NSX in 2005. So there's like 12 years off before they came out with the new one. And they just came out with a new one this year This spaceship this monstrous spaceship so you find a silver one So I like that when they do that with cars they sort of wait a long time to get you know

Come up with a whole new concept not just a every three or four years four-wheel drive. Yeah, totally Yeah, no, I like it too four-wheel drive Electric wheels on the front. It's tough looking at that one after the Ford. It is. Well, that's not a good angle. Jamie keeps going to the same angle. What are you doing here with the Kelly Blue Book?

That's a joke. I hate my Ford, but I'm telling you. No, I love that Ford. What are you talking about? Get off this site. This site's bullshit. They get you with that Kelly Blue Book bullshit. Oh, yeah, that's a clickbait.

See if you can see three-quarter view in the upper left-hand side. Right there. Nope. Yeah. Look at that. It's a dope car, man. Yeah. When you see one in real life, it looks like a spaceship.

It really does. Yeah. It looks cool. Cars today, man. But that's like looking at a new Hoyt and looking at the Ross Bow. Really? You think that... You don't think that looks as cool? That looks good, but not as good as a Ford,

does it? Pretty close. I don't know, dude. Everybody's got different taste cam hands. Yeah. I just can't wait for the self-driving because people just are terrible drivers, so let's just get on with that. We've figured

that out. Everyone sucks. But then what about these kind of cars? Well, that's fine. Just let them be self-driving. That's not going to be self-driving. That would be ridiculous. Imagine if you have a car like that, like a Ford GT, but it's self-driving. Unless you're on a racetrack. You'd be like, what, am I going to live on a racetrack?

This is so stupid. There's something happening as we're making things autonomous. We're going to lose a little bit of something sure sure Sort of the one of the reasons why people like handmade stuff now I can get a pair of handmade boots or something like that is like ooh feels different You know I got these are handmade Lucchesi's are they really yeah Casey's handmade They take like 18 no like 11 days to do To do from start to finish well done the leathering and stuff they do. I mean, they do it in different stages.

Right. But they're the best boots on the market. And doesn't that feel different when you have them? Oh, yeah. Like there's something knowing that a person made it, too. Yep. Well, they're just so comfortable. Yeah.

I mean, cowboy boots normally aren't that comfortable, but those, that's what my boots were yesterday, too. Yep. So nice. I was reading this podcast. Reading a podcast? What? Listening to a podcast. Listening to a book. Oh, wait to a book oh wait i guess you can't do that now about uh horseback riding and this guy

was explaining how people try to wear like hiking boots when they go horseback riding and jam their food he's like there's a reason why cowboy boots fall off so easy yeah it's so you don't get dragged behind a fucking horse yeah like it's supposed to happen that way yeah that's why they're pointed so they slide in and slide out they slide in and slide out and they slip right off your feet yeah yep and you have you get a good pair of these i mean they'll last 10 20 i mean it lasts a lifetime yeah you know what i mean it could i just bought i got my the ones i had yesterday which were like a thousand bucks and i just got them resold because I'd worn them so much. Seventy,

7450. So we sell it. Yeah. Brand new soles on, I mean, brand new boot. I've heard that since you have your own Under Armour sneaker, that you're the Kanye West of badasses.

Is this true? I don't know what that means. Well, no, no, no. Kanye West of bow hunting. Oh,

well, because Kanye West has Yeezys. Do you know what Yeezys are? His shoe. Right his shoe Jamie buys them I think he's got them He's such a weirdo, he's got like five pairs of them I don't even know what a Yeezy is That's what the kids are called

Aren't those a lot? Expensive? Stupid expensive If you can't get them when they come on sale, they are a lot How much are they right out of the gate? The ones that are going to resale that come out this month, they're reselling for $2,000 right now. They're $200 retail. $200 retail and they sell for $2,000?

Yeah. Because they make, what, 100 pair? Like $20,000 maybe. Like that goddamn, you can get a free one with a Ford GT. Yeah. So anyway, I think that's how Brandon's reference is tied in. It's Kanye's shoe. Yes, that's what it is.

Right. Yeah, it's not that you're an egotistical autistic rapper. It's not that. Well, I see him at, he was at the UFC fight. I don't know. Kanye was? Yeah, yeah. I don't know which one it was.

Oh, yeah, that's right. He was there with the boyfriend that J-Lo dumped because he went to the UFC. It was one of Conor's fights. Oh, was it? That's what it was, yeah. The boyfriend wanted to go to the McGregor fight, and J-Lo was like, fuck that, bitch, she's staying with me. Jamie got a picture with him.

Did he? Did he get a picture with Kanye? Yeah, here's, I remember, but here's Kanye West, even at the UFC fight, just like this. Well, I saw him smile a few times when he met some people. Really? Yeah, but he's but he needs a hug. I got him to smile.

Did you? What'd you do? No, he didn't smile. Not in your picture, did he? Yeah, I'll pull it up. What'd you do to get him to smile? Where'd it go? Well, he needs a hug.

That's what I think. Needs a hug and some good friends. So I'm going to calm him down. I think so, yeah. Settle down, dude. Let me talk to you about your prenup. You got one, right? That's what I would There is that is not smile. That's a little smirk. No, not really. No, it's not

It's you're just the smile from Tony Hinchcliffe is better now. You didn't smile So he was like why am I fucking smiling if this dude isn't smiling? You didn't even happen to meet me fuck why even taking a picture hashtag blessed smiling if this dude isn't smiling you didn't even happen to meet me you fuck why are you even taking a picture hashtag blessed at least he's got tupac on his on his shirt he's got taste in that regard that's the best thing about that other than jamie and tony yes i agree the tupac shirt's a good move it's a good move yeah if you're you know i don't know the rapper world is a very fucking strange world i can't even imagine can't even imagine no but hey i did want to ask something so when you're growing up was there pressure because your dad was clint

eastwood did you and then you said you wanted to be an actor you knew was that i know we're going back to it but i just want it's good good question well i think i think i always wanted to be a tell stories i don't know if i necessarily knew I wanted to be an actor. I think as I get older, I realize it's more about telling stories. I just sort of fell into the acting. I was like, okay, well, this could be a way I could get in. I could go into that. So you just enjoy the entertainment process, like creating something that people can be entertained by and enjoy?

Yeah, exactly. Telling a story that people can relate to, laugh, cry, whatever. Do you think you'll go the road of your dad and maybe do some directing and writing and things along those lines? Yeah. Is that the plan? That's the plan. That's the plan. Taking control of your own career is good.

And also, you tell the stories you want to tell we were talking about this before the podcast that the world of the actor is very difficult and a lot of people like accuse actors of being fake and I think one of the reasons for that is that for sure but one of the reasons for the accusing them of being

fake is that they always have to put on the best show like as far as their behavior and the way they act and think and their opinions because they're constantly trying to get cast in things. And it's all about getting people to like you and politicking. And we were talking also about, like you kind of have to have liberal sensibilities.

Like in this town, if you're a right winger- Does that go together? Does that even make sense? It seems like they contradict each other. Liberal sensibilities. That seems... Well, it's one reason that I moved out of L.A. is, you know, years ago, I just, I got sick of...

Yeah, there are great people in L.A. Yeah. Great people. And, you know, I'm from California, so I feel, you know, it has a place in my heart here. But I got out of L.A. because, you. because if you meet 100 people in L.A., you might meet 95 that are full of shit and five good ones. You're too generous. Yeah, it's a problem, right?

I always judge it when I meet somebody and I'm having a conversation with them and I ask how they're doing. I meet an actor or something. How you been or what are you working on? Cool. And, you know, a lot of times they're just waiting for their turn to talk. They're not even listening to you. They're just sort of, you know, did you, you know, they're not going to return that and say, hell, what are you doing? What, you know, what's going on? Yeah. You don't feel like a sincere conversation. No, not at all. Yeah. That's a big issue with people in general but in la it's i think this is the the magnet for all the narcissists and all the people that want attention and the people

that that have a hole they have a hole they need to fill up for whatever their childhood whatever whatever the fuck it is and they gravitate here and then they just communicate with each other the same way and everybody kind of like pretends to be someone who they're not and then hopefully they make it and then once they make it then they just you know become some fucking weirdo just it's it's weird how many of them are like almost like cookie cutter like oh i've met that guy before he just looked different you know you know what i mean it's like it's like the same person living a different life. I know exactly what this is. Someone got lazy on the assembly line.

Yeah. And people, yeah. They fell asleep or something. But the actor world is, like, I've met a lot of comedians that are similar, but they're a lot, they vary so much. But the actors, boy, there's a lot that are super similar. Just a lot of, you know. But then again, you'll meet some of them who've, like, figured it out and made it through,

and they're super normal. Like, Adam Sandler is one of the nicest guys you've ever met in your life. Oh, my God. He couldn't be nicer. Totally. Like, if you didn't know he was Adam Sandler and you met him, you'd be like, oh, that's someone's dad. Fucking super normal dude.

Tom Hanks. He's a good one. That's what I heard. You said super normal. That's what people say, you know, like like because they ask me oh how's scott you know seems normal so that's why that's why you're like so you must not know me yet that's like the best compliment for an actor yeah it is because an actor is like they well i don't know yeah who am i to say who's normal right but to me he seems like a normal guy and you said adam sentinel was

completely normal so that's kind of puts it in perspective. Yeah. What I mean by normal is like you could talk to them and they're really there. They're real sincere. They're present. They're having a real conversation with you. And there's a lot of people that just don't do that. You talk to them and they're just putting on some, hey, how are you?

Good to see you. I definitely don't trust people who are too nice. I'm like, why are they so nice? This isn't right. Yeah, sure. It's just a tough world for these people anyway, especially the ones that haven't made it out here. It's so psychologically devastating because you're constantly going on auditions and you're constantly getting rejected. So you're insecure in the first place.

And then you are hoping someone likes you. So you go to this thing and you're kind of like putting on your best behavior, and you're dressing good, like, hi, pleased to meet you. All right, all right. Hey, thanks, guys. Thanks for the opportunity. You leave. And they don't like you.

They said you sucked at the audition. What? I didn't suck. No, they just really didn't like you. They said you didn't make eye contact. Fuck. And people get weirder and weirder and if you meet an actor say like uh like one year and then you meet them 10 years later and they're still swinging and nothing's happening they might be like almost ready to crack yeah like the verge right at that

falling down with that michael douglas you know when he's fucking he's got the briefcase and he goes in traffic starts starts shooting people. Like they're like a couple of days before that. They're like right on the breaking line. They can't take it anymore. It's a fucking devastating business, right? It's tough. It's tough.

But, you know, like I said, I mean, we were talking about before. It's all built on hard work and your reputation. Yeah. before it's it's all it's all built on hard work and your reputation yeah because like you said you know and you get a reputation for being an asshole or or you know showing up late to work or this that and the other and you know everyone's gonna know about it's a it's a small place la or being a diva being a diva diva that's a big one right that's not a good that's not a good uh adjective you can't shake that one yeah that happens to people like in. Like in Hollywood, they'll be doing a lot of big movies and you hear like, oh, she's difficult to work with. And then they just fucking

disappear. Sure. And it almost seems like Hollywood delights in shutting those people out. They're rooting for you to fail. Yeah. But when you prove to be ungrateful in some way, or you don't like here's a perfect example well he kind

of made it on television but you remember david caruso when david caruso was on nypd blue everybody was like wow this guy's a great actor and then he quit nypd blue when it was this massive hit show and then went and started doing like some real shitty movies yeah everybody was like why the fuck would you quit a big show like NYPD Blue and do a bunch of movies? Like, boy, I hope he fails. And then the movies failed. And then everybody's like, ha, ha.

And then he never did a movie again. You never saw him in a good movie. He had this trajectory of this amazing career. Yeah. Then he became this caricature. Because then he was doing that stupid cop show where he would take his glasses off and say some stupid pun. Well, it looks like he got nailed and he'd take his glasses off. Remember that?

It was like CSI Miami or something like that. And it was a fucking caricature of a cop show. Yeah. Whereas NYPD Blue, when he was on it, was groundbreaking. I mean, it was fucking fantastic. So what happened it just he became an i don't know i don't know who he is but he can't recognize as a diva whether or not he was actually a diva oh i don't know the guy you'd have to meet him and talk to him and

hang out with him but he had that stink and you get that stink on you that's that's the other thing too is it's not even you know in holly, it's not even what's true. Sometimes it's just perceived. It's so it's, you know, my dad used to always say, he'd say, uh, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

And, and, and that always stuck with me because, you know, you sit down with people in the industry or whatever, and you just hear, you know, a lot of Hollywood is a gossip,

right? It's full of gossip Queens. Everybody wants to talk shit about someone they worked with or tell some story and tell how difficult somebody was or this that and and you don't even you know it's a business built on you know it's a it's just a house of cards you know you're like well that how do you even know that that's even true right you know and so it's kind of fucked up yeah it's you know i mean i don't feel like that happens in other businesses but maybe it does with co-workers i don't know i don't maybe it does it's also there's it's a weird thing because when you're a movie star like yourself and you're on the screen like you get all the adulation and all the love there's a whole crew of people behind you yeah there's special effects

people and lighting and sound and it's and Jamie's like Jamie and young Jamie There's a hundred people to everyone that's on the screen right at least that's yeah, and so and they get no love Yeah, they get no you know they get no loving and that's where the business side of the business is so delusion because The agents and the people around us they're not the ones they're you know putting in the sweat every day for five months to make a film you know pulling the creative ideas pulling the hard work you know the the grips and all the other guys who you know are underpaid and are

you know working just to make money to you know feed their families so it's it's interesting because I saw it from a very different lens. I saw it from my father's lens, which is my dad, show up on time, get the movie done, shoot it fast, treat everybody good, and work with the same people over and over again, do the right thing by people, have integrity. Whereas people don't see that side of of the business there's so much other stuff that you never do people never get loved for and in the film industry yeah well in the long hours that's another thing

that people don't understand if you're on a film set like what's an average day for you um it could be I mean a short day is a 12-hour day so it's you know 12 to 16 and how many days a week you work in five six I mean when a short day is a 12-hour day. So it's 12 to 16. And how many days a week are you working? Five, six. I mean, when you're on location, you're usually, you could be in a movie that's doing a six-day work week, or you could be doing a five-day, but by the end, everyone's doing a six. Sometimes even, you know, you're just putting in full, you're in full throttle to get the movie done. Now, when you're on location, do you have to squeeze a workout in to keep your brain sane?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you do that on a 16 hour day? I try to do it during lunch, because I find that if you go to lunch, you get sluggish after lunch. Right. And then you're going, oh shit, I gotta get back in there and do this. Now I gotta hit the coffee or I gotta hit the whatever to get stimulated. Cocaine, right?

Yeah. That's what you're saying? Yeah, just a bump. Are you a meth guy or a coke guy? Mostly meth. Just a bump to get the head straight. Just a little bit. Woo! But yeah, so I think working out during lunch seems to be the best

thing for me because I don't do well in the mornings for a workout because I feel stiff. So I like to get the blood going first. If I can hit it during lunch, even if I'm on set, I'll do whatever, dumbbells, this, that, and the other. And then I'll have, I'll get, you know, some endorphins kicking. Yeah, I used to, I used to do that too. But now lately over the last, like not even lately, but over the last like five or six

years, I like to get up and the first thing i do work out especially like if i was doing jujitsu in the afternoon and i needed to do a lifting session yeah i want as much space between the lifting and the jujitsu as possible so i can recover so for me it's like just get up and even though i don't feel good in the morning once the blood starts pumping and the sweat you gotta just remind yourself yeah I know you feel like shit just do the few reps get that blood going and once you're sweating you're sweating it's all the same you know it seems to me

I mean I do in the morning too I worked out this morning plus meth but I just that helps you feel the same so in the movie Fast 8 we had a lot of sleeveless shirts which I that's awesome you're a big fan of those I'm a big fan of those that's why you slipped me a DM

yeah I got a lot I'm not I'm not sure about the connection he's confused right now he doesn't know what we're talking about but he'll press on so

did those guys so Rock Statham all the did we have to do pushups in there to keep that pump for the for the scenes it's a very good question look everybody's i mean i think everybody wants to

be on the on the you know at the tip of the spear right you know you got shirt off tank off stuff so let's you know let's get the pump on see that's where a guy like me i'm very very modest so if i was there i would be the opposite with your skin tight muscle barrier I would try to slump maybe perhaps or hide my definition That's not true. I said you have good posture. That's one of the first thing I noticed when I walked out I said, oh, he really works on his posture. I do I do a lot of yoga Yep, I do a lot of yoga very good posture. You know, this is cam. You don't even notice bro That was my friend. I never commented on my posture That was uh, that was one of the first things when I, because I got into yoga about 10 years ago and it's

changed my life. It's amazing, right? It changed my life. There's no pumping yoga. There's no pumping yoga. We've discussed this. Cam likes sleeveless shirts and getting his pump on. And it doesn't like touching his toes.

And so that's a struggle. I can do this. His knees bent. But I think that's, that was the can do this. His knee's bent. Yeah. But I think that was one of the first things a guy told me when I was getting into it. He said, you really got to work on your posture. He goes, you're going to, you know, look at guys who are 90 walking around on the street who are slumped over. He goes, do you want to be like that?

I mean, it kind of got me quick. I was like, wow. Tell I got to settle the fuck down. I'm 31 years old. How about you relax, pal? Yeah. See, he's got such a better attitude because I would have said, worry about yourself. Exactly. I'm used to getting critiqued online.

And so maybe I'm just a little defensive. Well, these seats that we're sitting in are the best. These are called Ergo Depot is the name of the company. And it's called a Capisco. And what it is, is they're comfortable, but they make you sort of sit and support yourself with your spine. Whereas a lot of times people just kind of slump in chairs. Sure.

That's just terrible for your spine. Terrible. Slumping is terrible. All that stuff's terrible. And when you order, put in Rogan as order and save 10%. No. Just kidding. It's not a company.

It's not a sponsor. How dare you? He's plugging every company. He's like, Coca-Cola, Pepsi. If you do do yoga, though, you will notice a difference in your posture and the lack of back aches and pains

and stuff like that. Everything. It's hard for people because it's not necessarily fun. The results are excellent, but while hard for people because it's not necessarily fun. Like the results are excellent, but while you're there and you're sweating your dick off and you're stretching and you got to quiet your mind. I think that's the, that's the biggest,

hardest thing for people, right? Is, is, is that the meditation aspect of it is, is so, it's so hard for people to go, to get out of their own way.

But once you do it for a while, you realize you're like, now I crave it. I mean, I can't go, I can't go a few days without, I go, I start getting antsy and I go, I got to get into yoga, you know? Yeah. It's just, it's also a very pretentious thing. Not really, but it sounds like it is like, Oh, I'm going to do yoga. I'm better than you. You're going to do yoga. And then I'm going to have hummus. Yeah. You know, like, Oh, I hate this guy. Well, you know what was the thing was that when I started ten years ago A buddy brought me in it was

98% female now I've noticed it's a 50-50. You gotta go to a different class. Yeah Reason not to go. Yeah, what if there's a guy in front of you and as you both bend over this guy's sack Like that's not what I'm trying to say is I think that it was it for a long time It was statement. Yeah frowned upon right i mean for for men to to go to yoga and i know i even had those thoughts i was saying well you know yoga i want to go hit the gym and get you know get a pump on get jacked get jacked uh but now i'm going well you know you see all the benefits and everything yeah to incorporate that with the with the pump well for jujitsu it's huge because range of motion is one of the most important things in jiu-jitsu and flexibility,

especially when you have a good guard. And I got into yoga for the most part because of Hickson, Hickson Gracie. And I remember in 1994, I saw a video of Hickson Gracie doing yoga and I was like, oh. Because I was like, everybody had always said that Hickson was like, there was all these great Gracie family members Henzo

was great high and was great all these guys were great half but Hickson was always thought to be number one and I was like well why why is he so much better than everybody else and then I realized I oh he's got like the full package like he has his dad is Haleo Gracie so his dad was like one of the originators of brazilian jiu-jitsu so he grew up with it it's in his dna he trained his whole life under the best teachers in the world and then yoga and training and exercise like hickson does balance beams where he stands on a balance beam and does a full split standing up holds his foot over his head i mean

it's freaking freaky to watch he's just got incredible control of his body. So the dexterity and the control of the body along with the strength and jiu-jitsu, that's what made Hickson who he is. I'm sure. It's just, again, it's one of those things that's not as cool as telling someone you deadlift 600 pounds.

Right. You know, what are you doing? I'm doing deadlifting 605. I do 605 for three You know he's like watch that Yeah, I put chains on it. It's not hard enough Yeah, that kind of stuff is that's gonna that's gonna catch up at the end at the end of your life You know that's good that stuff. You know it's if you're not careful you too much of that I feel like it's really gonna cause a lot of pain in your later life

It can. But if you just do yoga, you look like a monk. Of course. No, you've got to get the gym, too. You've got to get jacked as well. It's a little bit of, I don't know. I mean, it depends on what you're trying to do. But I agree with you that it does give you a calming thing.

It calms you down in a way. Yeah, and I think. There's Hickson. Look at that picture. Oh, man. Him on the beach. Wow. I can't do that. Oh, man. Him on the beach. Wow. I can't do that.

Oh, he's unbelievably flexible. You got to get into it. You got to do it. Yeah, I mean, Hickson, there's just not a whole lot of human beings that can do that. But forget about like world-class black belts. Yeah. Yeah, he's a freak, man. Freak.

Okay, wait. So I got to go back to the fanboy stuff. So I just want to ask. So you started off acting with like smaller movies, right? Sure. But now you've been, and tell me if I'm, I know you were in Fury. Yeah. I didn't remember until I started to know who you were.

What's Fury? Fury was with Brad Pitt, right? Which one was that? World War II, David Ayer. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And then now it feels like you, now you're in the big movies.

Well, look, I started 14, 15, almost 15 years ago now doing it. It's hysterical when people, I first sort of got a couple hit movies happening. Oh, Overnight Success. Yeah, I know. That's how it always works.

What the fuck are you talking about? I've been at it for 10 years, you know, at that point. Yeah. But, you know, I started, yeah, doing tiny one-liners. Right. You know, any chance I got just to, you know, get on set, play any role, do any lines, whatever, just learn, soak it up. And, yeah, I was doing that for years i mean i was doing that for seven eight years you know while i was bartending uh while i was you know valley parking cars anything to you know pay the bills right but how important is that that you actually worked your

way through it even though you're clint eastwood's son right that's what that's what i was interested in is that i mean it's like it didn't feel like he helped you and i don't know maybe he did but no no if you anyone who knows my dad uh would just laugh at they you know they're they would say oh yeah i mean my dad's very old school and he's he's very very tough on his sons he has i have an older brother um and it's it just doesn't happen like that in our family uh there's no handouts uh you want something you got to go get it. And I can't thank him enough for that because it never gave me any, you know, backup. It didn't make me go, well, I can just sort of sit around or, you know, it created drive. It created, you know, hard work and drive. And those are all the things that take to make somebody successful. Yeah. Like if you were 22

and he made you a star of his big movie, that would have probably ruined you. First off, it would have looked really bad on him. Yeah, it would have looked weird. Yeah, I mean, he could do that, I guess, in his movie, but I think the common thing is, well, you had it easy because somebody else. He can't just pick up a phone and call some big director and tell him who he should cast.

And if he did, it would be a mess. Yeah. I mean, for the director, probably tell him, you know, thank you, Clint, but I keep not doing that. You know, this is my movie and I don't even know who your son is. When he went on TV and did that like thing where he had like a seat next to him and he talked to Obama and he talked to the empty chair, did you call him up and dad go what the fuck dad? What are you doing? No, I stay out of politics I don't even I don't I don't give two shits about politics. That wasn't even politics

I was just like a play you get like a like a puppet show with no puppet Yeah, I I did like the intent though. Yeah, cuz Because I hate, well, whatever. Yeah. I was good with it. I get it. Restraint of tongue and pen. Hey, didn't you try out, or I don't even know how to, but didn't you? Audition. Audition.

This isn't my wheelhouse. But for American Sniper? I did. I did. That was his movie, right? That was his movie. So how'd that go? What happened? Yeah, I auditioned.

I remember actually talking. I knew Bradley Cooper. And I said, hey, I'd love to play your brother. I'd read the script. I'd read the script. And I was already doing my own thing at this point. I was working for a long time. But I'd go in periodically and audition for his films.

Because they're Clint Eastwood films. If I can get an periodically and audition for his films yeah uh because they're Clint Eastwood films right if I can get an opportunity to audition great and I'm you know when I said that I'd love to play your brother in it or something you know one of those roles and he probably kind of looked at me like you know I don't yeah maybe okay cool kind of brushed me off of her I was friends with them and then so you know I sort of you know said hey you know can I get an audition to to you know go audition for for this through my dad's company? And so I went and put myself on tape. It's pretty simple when you go audition for him.

He's not there. No one's there or anything. You just go put yourself on tape with a casting director. And then you either hear something back or you don't. And that's the end of it. A lot of times you never do. I mean, that's how it goes for actors. Yeah.

So that's what happened with that? You put it on tape and then didn't hear back? Yeah, no. You didn't say what dad was up? No, it didn't work like that in my family. Really? Nah, he's too old. I would never even dare to bring up something like that. That's interesting. Yeah, that's, I mean... That's probably why he's so normal.

Yeah, because look, those people that are in those sheltered families. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. It's not good for you. No, you don't have the value for a dollar, the value for hard work. You don't have, everything becomes blurred. Well, it's handy to you.

I think that's the same way with inheritance. I mean, it's very rare that someone inherits a shitload of money early on in life and then winds up having character and being, they say that Donald Trump is like that, that he's a cool guy. Like everybody I know that's met him, I know he gets a lot of weird press, but the guys that I know that know him say he's a really nice guy, really down to earth, really normal, really healthy. And I've heard that about a lot of Trump's kids, which is really strange because he's this crazy, you know, I'm the best. I do the best things.

My ratings are the best. But you would think that he would be like this dicky dad. But apparently he's done a great job as a dad, which is very strange. Yeah. But that's what I hear about Donald Trump Jr. Yeah. I've heard that, too. And he bowhunts.

Yeah. He does. So he's got to be cool. He's got that going. Maybe that's why he's cool. That's probably it. I mean, it might have something to do with it, for real. Like, just he's got to be cool. He's got that going. Maybe that's why he's cool. That's probably it. I mean, it might have something to do with it, for real. Just all those experiences in the wild.

No, and just today. So we've shot a lot of air. I mean, I've been doing this for 30 years. You've been doing this for years now. And still, it's so humbling. Yeah. It's not easy making a good shot. Yeah, every now and then, one goes right into the neck of the target and you're like, what the

fuck? I've been doing this all day. Yeah. And one just goes wrong. You talk about ego checks. I mean, anytime you think you're good at archery for sure, there's a, there's a wake up call. Yeah. I mean, it is not easy.

Yeah. It's not an easy thing to do. And then also it's like waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, stalking, stalking, stalking. And then all of a sudden, here comes the time. Ready? Get ready. Pull a shot. Now? Is it really happening? And then you have to execute a great shot under this insane, tremendous...

Have you done bow hunting yet? Yep. What have you bow hunted? Deer. Have you been successful? I have. That's a nice thing, huh? Yeah.

What kind? Blacktail? Yeah, in California. Oh, okay. Nice. And it is like very, like you said, it's totally in the pocket. All of a sudden it's now an adrenaline, adrenaline, and then you're, you know, it's over because you either missed the shot or you didn't take it and you're, you know, it's over because you either missed the shot or you, you know, you, you didn't take it and you're like.

You know what they say, Cam, that there's a direct correlation between lower heart rate and good archery, that there's actually been studies done, you know, like in, in these European circles where there are target archers. And one of the things that they found to improve, Dudley was talking about this on his podcast, knock on, on his podcast, he was talking about that on his podcast knock on on his podcast He was talking about that running in particular is is really good at Lowering your heart rate obviously But then also the the side effect of that is it improves archery and it improves your ability

Under pressure to keep your heart rate down because your heart rate is naturally lower right? You know like you're resting heart rate's gotta be stupid low like what is it i don't know 40s yeah 40s wow yeah so i thought mine was good in the like you know 55 or something that's crazy yeah you know what michael bisping's is 34 yeah geez yeah savage most good marathon runners are low 40s you know upper 30s yeah so when you have that going for you like say if your heart rate gets jacked up and you calm it down you're probably still going to be like within the 60s or 70s whereas a guy who's like some fucking bubba with some big sloppy gut and you know and he's taking rip fuel just so he can get up to the top of the mountain yeah when he gets up there and sees

something he's like yeah he's tired he's wind He's tired, he's winded, his heart rate's already jacked, and it's harder to execute a good shot under those conditions. Yeah, and I mean, just like with running and exercising, you recover faster the better shape you're in. So yeah, that's kind of why, I mean, it can go, it can peak, but then it's back low, normal, and then you're more composed. So, I mean, it takes a while for those guys to recover if they're not in shape. After all my years of exercising, I've just started running.

We're running today. We're running today. We're running the trails today after this. I'm trying to keep up with this. Trying to keep up with him? Ridiculous. That's crazy. Not for me, buddy.

It's like doing jiu-jitsu with Hickson. You know you're going to get killed. Just go out there and do it. Don't be a pussy. How many miles are you going to do today? Probably 20 or 30. If he can make that. No, just kidding.

You're kidding, right? He's got weird shoes on. Honestly, seriously, Addy, if you're training for 230 miles, how many do you do a day? Yeah, well. Because you can't do a marathon every day, right? You'd kill yourself. He was doing a half marathon every day.

Yeah, at least. You know, there's days, or I mean, there's weeks getting ready for the Bigfoot that I ran 130, 140 miles. So that's almost 20 miles a day. And the Bigfoot is 205 miles over, what did you do, 78 hours? 78, 56. Did you see that ultramarathon guy who finished six seconds past the deadline? Oh, Barkley. Did you see that? The Bark who finished six seconds past the deadline? Oh, Barkley.

Did you see that? The Barkley marathon. Yeah. He fucked up. I know. He took a detour. I know. That race, they've been sending me messages, and they tagged, I don't know if it was both of us,

but the other day I did a tweet. Somebody mentioned my name for it. And so the race actually tweeted and said that i wouldn't be able to finish because i'd be i'd want to get up in a tree stand and kill some of the wild pigs running around so a lot of pigs yeah apparently i didn't know this but so that barkley marathon itself tweeted that where is it tennessee oh yeah that's the place is infested apparently yeah tennessee so it's uh and, God, there's a whole story behind it. I wish I knew it because I'm going to sound stupid. But there's a prison there.

And I can't remember who was in the prison. Some famous criminal killed somebody or tried to kill somebody. Anyway, escaped. And he made it, was out for 55 hours, something like that. Made it just eight miles. And they got him them so that's kind of how the race originated there's a story behind it so the race is there around that prison in that in that same country and so the goal the time limit is something around that 55 hours and

that's you have five loops you go one one way the first loop opposite opposite opposite and you have and the course isn't marked so you're navigating with a map that you have to create yourself and to get the checkpoints there's books there at every checkpoint and you have a certain number of the page and they say you go and pull out page 12 of every book this is how it works and then you bring it back to make sure. And they check you when you get the lap completed and said, okay, you, you hit every checkpoint.

Here's all the pages of those books. And then you do another lap. But what if you run with some douchebag who's like, fuck page three, I'm pulling his page out to page seven could suck my ass. Yeah. Start pulling people's pages out. I don't,

I, you know, there's, there's honor. And, and if somebody working that hard out. I don't, you know, there's honor. And if somebody working that hard, usually you don't have to worry. They respect other people working that hard too. You know what I mean? It's just kind of the thing.

Yeah. The honor system. The culture of it. Yeah. So, I mean, I wouldn't worry about something like that, but it sounds like a brutal race. I think only, it might be up to 15 people now have completed it in 25 years whoa it's tough and this guy missed it by six seconds yeah jesus christ because he fucked up and made a an error in his path something happened and i and i can't i don't i didn't read the whole story but

yeah so you have to do it inside of 60 hours is that something like that yeah and he was like 60 hours and six seconds or something like that says he uh when he was going around the race he found he came to a staircase and there's no staircases in the marathon so he knew he fucked up then oh okay oh boy he was a super sleep deprived he knew he made a wrong turn yeah he was two miles from the end of the race. Wow. And there's no course. So you just run in the woods? Yeah. Jesus Christ. Sounds ridiculous.

So they have the map up there, the topo map up there, and you create your own map off of that map. And you can't use a map. You can't use a phone. You can't use a GPS. So there's navigating as part of this thing. When are you doing it? I want to do it. I know you do, you fuck.

I do. I can tell. Yeah, to get entered, that's a whole process in itself. You have to send a letter and $1.47, something like that, into the race director. And they select who they want in there. And then you have to bring a license plate from your house from your home state and like a shirt to the guy and then you're in wow so it's there's i mean a lot of crazy i don't know it's kind of it's just a shirt can you give him a keep hammering shirt i don't have to be a specific

i think he chooses i don't know i i need to i watch a documentary but i don't know. I need to. I watched the documentary, but I don't remember every detail. Are you doing some really nutty one soon? Well, I need to talk to Candice about it, the race director of the Bigfoot. She's putting on the Moab. It's a 234-mile race. This will be the first one. It's the longest one there is. So you're going to do what you did, the the bigfoot 200 which is 205 miles and then you're gonna do another 29 miles yeah that's ridiculous that's what i need to run a buyer i

mean we it was successful last time we got um a lot of people followed along which is what what we wanted you know when you were running yeah yeah, with the live tracking. And it was cool because the race is so special, and she's so special as far as her passion for this and creating these opportunities for people to really test themselves. And she was on your podcast. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan of hers. What's her last name? Candice Burt.

And the key primary number what? Do you remember which number was it? No. Four or five was it? I'm not sure. Okay, people will find it. Yeah, no, five was it? I'm not sure. Okay. People will find it. Yeah.

No, it was good, though, because she's super cool. And so she's putting on this new one in Moab, and it's further than any other race, and so I want to do it. There it is. Race number three, Moab 200. Yeah. Why do they call them 200s when they're 234? I don't know.

That's what I thought. It's like the Bigfoot thing. Call it Bigfoot 205, goddammit. 205 miles. I feel like 34 miles is a little too far just to round down. That's a weird number. I mean, let's call it the Moab 250. That's closer if you're going to round.

I like that. I like that. It's better. It sounds better. Yeah, so 234.3. And if you run 234 miles, an extra 16, probably just like, who cares? Yeah. I'm already dead.

It's a long way. Just running. It's a long way. I'm already dead. But look at that country. Doesn't that look beautiful? It does. But it's going to be in July, isn't it?

No, no. October. Oh, okay. So that's not bad. You'll be fairly cool. Now, you were saying that when you do one of these things, you don't sleep. Like you slept like maybe an hour, a couple of times. Yeah. And that's how, you know, if you want to win, um, the guy who won Richard,

total beast. Um, I was asking how long, cause my goal was to win. You know, I didn't achieve my goal. My goal was to, I wanted to get the fastest ever. So I came up short on that. What place did you place? I finished eighth. Yeah, so I was winning through 62 miles, I think, and Richard passed me. Fuck Richard.

No, he's a stud. But I was asking, I'm like, how long had he been sleeping at these checkpoints? And they said 15 minutes. I'm like, what? So I decided I wasn't going to sleep until I got 100 miles done. I wanted to get at least halfway done. So I got to 100, slept for about an hour, and got up.

And then I ended up sleeping for three hours total over the 78 hours. So you sleep about an hour a day if your hope is to compete to win or to place high like I wanted to. Jesus Christ. You just can't sleep. You don't have any interest in doing that? No. I told you yesterday, I said absolutely no fucking way. Yeah.

It takes a rare kind of kook. It's just like it's a different type of test just to see what you're capable of. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I'm just not that into running. Do you run at all? Like this morning, I ran on the treadmill before I hit the weights, but just to warm up because there was nothing in the gym I was at, but not really.

You can go with us. Later. Maybe I'll come with you guys. Yeah, fuck Conan. Let's run to Conan. Can we run to... Yeah. Fuck Conan. You'd be breathing brake dust and all that terrible shit.

I'd say we run there and then shoot bows there. Oh, yeah. Tell Conan, look, this is what we really should be concentrating on. Isn't he like 10 foot tall? He's a big guy. Very tall guy. 6'7". Super nice guy.

Is he? Yeah. Yeah. Very nice guy. Yeah. You went, when somebody was on his show, you like went with them, right? Sturgill. Sturgill Simpson.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went and hang out with him down there. Didn't he, did he won a Grammy? Yeah. This year?

Yeah. He won a Grammy. Yeah. That's awesome. He's a, he's another guy that's like a super famous super successful guy that you would never know if you met him it's just as normal as they get yeah he's fucking working on a railroad car like he was uh working for a train company just like a couple of years before he made it his wife talked him into doing music she was like you know you

don't suck at this well that's what shocked me about when I met Cameron. It came out in the conversation. He's still working for your utility company. I was like, what do you mean? You're a professional hunter. And I was like, you do all this great stuff. I follow you. What do you mean?

And he's like, yeah, I still have this other job. And I'm like, wow. I was like super, you know, I was a lot of respect. I've been trying to get him to quit forever. We have more time. How many times did I try to get you to quit? Today? About 10 today.

He's like, let's go to Hawaii. We can hunt there. They got all sorts of axes. Oh, yeah, axes here. I'm Mauian. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. So that's in June. Well, I'm going.

And I'm trying to drag him along because I'm going to have to quit my job. I'm like, good, we killed two birds with one stone. I know, so it's like, yeah. You're going to go with Shane Dorian or something? Yeah, Shane's going to be down there. My friend Remy Warren's going to be down there. John Dudley's going to be down there. It's going to be a gay old time.

Flintstone style. If you got an extra spot, I'd love to. I'll see if we can make something happen. I'll see if we can make something happen. I'll see if we can make something happen. I'll find out what's going on. But apparently, Lanai in particular. Well, they say Maui. Remy Warren just got back from Maui.

Maui's got good on the south side. Yeah, they've got a lot down there. Yeah. So have you hunted there, too? No. Oh, you never did? No. Where have you hunted?

In south here, mostly in the southern California area. in south here mostly in uh the southern california area but uh when you uh were hunting were you still hunting spot and stalk like what are you doing no just stand just knowing the areas with with you know a friend who knew the areas and walking and you know uh flushing them out and you were doing it with that ross bow why are you laughing there's nothing wrong with that he's just a little bit uh self-conscious about the ross yeah nothing's wrong with it man that thing's that thing was a good book hey it killed a deer apparently yeah so well now that you have a hoyt though yeah that thing's like the most balanced i mean you feel immediately they're so good those new ones are so good it's so crazy because the first one cam ever got me was only four years ago and you would think like wow that's you know that's pretty recent

but and it was awesome at the time but if you had to go back to it today be like oh this piece of shit like let's take it's like but not really but bow technology just keeps increasing yeah every year they get a little better a little bit better a little bit better yeah sure and you might not know i mean because i always say it's like oh i oh, I try not to be the guy who's like, oh, this is the best thing I've ever shot. But it's slightly better. And as we know in hunting, there's a fine line between success and failure. So that slightly better might be the difference. Yeah.

You know a lot more. I'm an amateur in comparison. And I don't want to. I did beat him. I did out shoot him. He did. A couple times yesterday. Did you really? better might be the difference yeah you know a lot more i'm an amateur in comparison and and i don't i don't want to beat him i did did out shoot him he did yesterday he did you really wait a couple times he's like you're taking a liberty liberty there i remember a time well that is the beautiful thing about archery is that there really is no perfection in archery i mean you can get a perfect shot but to be perfect every time you shoot has never been done really no well i will say by the end of the

day we were out there in the parking lot of riverside archery we had a 46 yard shot and scott was laying him in there i mean a nice tight group we were shooting three arrows at a time i mean so and that's just in a day with that new bow. That new bow, yeah. Cam and I were talking about this today. If people knew how good it feels to, like, steady yourself, anchor, like, look to that peep sight, breathe, release that arrow, watch it thunk right where you're at. It's the best feeling. It feels so good.

thunk yeah right where you're it's the best feeling it feels so good well we we filmed today and so i took a shot it's 61 yards with that with my big old heavy arrow and i shot and i like run up to this to the binoculars and i look and it was a perfect shot and i was like so excited like the first time i ever shot a bow and that was not that's just how fun it is this is how excited i still get and we're just and people i told joe I said if people knew this or I mean they're gonna watch this and go I want to do that That looks awesome. If you're after 30 years you're getting this excited It's just we were talking about this today and I want to bring this up and I think Hoyt should do this the big entry barrier in in learning archery is Having someone teach you and like going somewhere and not knowing how to get started.

Once you get started and you say, oh, I'm a 28-inch draw. Oh, I like a 450-grain arrow. And you know all the stuff that you need. Then it becomes easier to sort of do. But the beginning, it's so daunting and confusing. The learning curve is so long. The beginning, it's so daunting and confusing. The learning curve is so long.

They should have, like Hoyt should have a Hoyt Academy, or a place you can go where you could buy a bow, they size you, they fit you up to the correct draw length, and then you sign up for a class, and there's a teacher, and they show you how to do it. If there was something like that, where it's like, you can go take karate somewhere, you can go take jiu-jitsu somewhere, go try to take archery somewhere. There's not a lot of places.

And if they are, the first place that I went to was a little fucking sketchy. They didn't really, my draw length was too long. Good pro shops are hard to find. I'm lucky with the Bo-Rack back home. And Wayne does that. Wayne teaches them right. He coaches them and uh seemed like riverside archery was that chris there um he's a nice guy oh totally and

totally knows archery too so but those might be unique examples because there's a lot of pro shops i mean this guy who works with under immerse telling me about his pro shop back home um they like were almost making fun of him. His, his, actually not him, but his cousin was in there trying to get set up with a bow and it's just like. We're making fun of him, why? Because he's. He didn't know.

Oh. He didn't know. It's just like, so you never know what you're going to get. You know, there's all sorts of different type of people out there. I was, I pulled up to the hotel to come up to L.A. because I got to do some press. I opened up the hotel with the hotel bell there. And I opened up the door of my truck. And all the field tips come out.

And everyone looked like the bellman's looking at me going, what the fuck are you doing with two compound bows in the car in L.A.? Yeah. Yeah, they don't know how to handle that. Yeah. If you were in Cam's neighborhood, they'd be like, oh, you bow hunting? Yeah. Out here, they're like, hmm, what is this guy doing?

Yeah, he's going to kill somebody. Probably, right? Or you're a big Walking Dead fan. Yeah. Yeah, that show drives me crazy when those arrows just stick in those zombie heads. I'm like, why do they just stick? How come there's no pass-throughs? You know, and that's on Fighter and the Kid yesterday.

They're asking about that. They're like, what would an arrow do? Would it go halfway in like in the movies? Oh, my God. And I'm like, it wouldn't even slow down. It would be like, and I told them about the, we put up this bear clip. Joe, before we, I think before we realized the venom that will come out of bear hunting, but Joe retweeted the video of this bear stood up and was grabbing this beaver up there.

And I shot it and we had a GoPro on the backside of it. And the arrow went through the bear, came out the backside. And it was just like, didn't even slow down. I mean, and just kind of all this stuff kind of came out with the arrow. Just like, what was the sound that's the sound the arrow made going through the bear blast through the bear's body and then the bear went on a full sprint yeah you know pat right almost right where you guys were just slightly off to your right this bear goes and when if you've never seen a bear sprint before like when you see them lumber around, you go, oh, well, I kind of get an idea what that thing can do.

Bullshit. Right. You know, that thing is like Usain Bolt when you threw an arrow through it. Right. And that's so, that's a 400 pound bear. So you can imagine what, you know, Brian was asking about, what is he, 160 pounds, something like that? Brian, he's about 110.

Maybe 106, somewhere around there. But anyway, I told him, I said, yeah, these bows wouldn't even slow down. You wouldn't even know what, I mean. It would be too late. It would go through you, and then you'd go, what just happened? Oh, why am I? Yeah. Why do I see Grandpa?

Yeah, so Walking Dead. Grandpa. Grandpa's reaching out and holding your hand. I missed that one. Taking a skateboard through the clouds but yeah so with the with the walking dead yeah they got some rotten zombie head and the arrows are just sticking in it so speaking of near-death experience i wanted to ask you this because i listen to your podcast a lot and you talk about dmt and you know some of the stuff you see when

you know like it produces in your mind or you produce it in your body right uh is that the chemical you release like when you die or when you have like a near-death experience they believe so here's here's the here's the the deal they didn't know for sure until really recently that would it was even produced by the pineal gland now that they know there's a the guy named uh is produced yeah there's a guy named r So it is produced by pineal? There's a guy named Rick Strassman, Dr. Rick Strassman out of the University of New Mexico. And he put together these clinical trials that were the first ever FDA approved clinical trials

on a psychedelic drug, first ever on DMT. And they were done in New Mexico. And he did them and he wrote a book about it called DMT, The Spirit Molecule. And one of the things that he found, it's a great book about it called DMT the spirit molecule and one of the things that he found it's a great book and one of the things he found really fascinating and I read the book before I ever did DMT the thing that he found really fascinating was that these people had these uniform experiences yeah it wasn't like one person saw this thing and then

another person had a totally different trip no they all had like fairly uniform experiences and here's the other thing that's really fascinating. Their experiences in many ways mirror the experiences of people that have been abducted by aliens and people that have near-death experiences. And the connection they think is that the brain produces this chemical called dimethyltryptamine. And we know that it's produced by the liver. We know that it's produced by the lungs. And then in Eastern mysticism, it always thought that the pineal gland was the seed of the soul, that it was the third eye. And literally in reptiles, it has a retina and a cornea. And actually, it's like literally an eyeball in the center of your head.

And in the Vatican, there's a gigantic sculpture of a pine cone in the Vatican. And that pine cone is supposed to represent the pineal gland. See if you can get a photo of that gigantic pine cone. And I was actually in the Vatican last summer and I had a conversation with a guide. We had this really cool guy who was a professor who was explaining to us all the different stuff that, you know, it's all the different symbolisms and what they mean. all the different stuff that, you know, it's all the different symbolisms and what they mean. And Eastern mysticism and a lot of ancient religions have always been focused, heavily focused on the pine cone and pineal gland.

And that is what that's supposed to represent, that gigantic pine cone in the middle of. And I hear there's something now, like people smoke pine cone or there's some. Really? People, yeah, there's some... People smoke socks if you give them to them. Some people are assholes. But apparently it's like... No, but I heard that. I mean, I heard that now

that there's some sort of... Because DMT is like a plant, right? It's plant-based, right? That is the thing, is that the DMT doesn't just exist in one plant. It exists in thousands of different plants. Sure. That's why they have ayahuasca. And what ayahuasca is, is an orally active DMT. So DMT, normally

when you eat it, your body produces something in your digestive tract called monoamine oxidase. That blocks it, right? Yeah. And so what ayahuasca is, is DMT from one plant and an MAO inhibitor from another plant. And they combine it together and they create an orally active DMT. Because otherwise, you'd just be tripping every time you eat a salad. You get some wheatgrass juice, you chip your balls off, but your body keeps that from happening. Gotcha. But the purpose of that DMT and what it does in human neurochemistry is not really understood that well.

But what they do know now because of Rick Strassman and the work of the Cottonwood Research Foundation, which is a foundation that's dedicated to exploring these subjects, they've found that in live rats, rats or mice, I forget which one, that they've proven that their pineal gland is producing dimethyltryptamine, which is what they've always, it's always been anecdotal evidence. So now they know that it's not just produced by the liver and the lungs, but it's also produced by this little gland. And this little gland, they think during near-death experiences and during heavy REM sleep, it's producing DMT. How much? They don't really know because they would have to get in there and they'd have to somehow or another figure out a way to measure

it while you're alive. They haven't figured out how to do that yet because it's in the center of your head. They'd have to drill in there and tap it. Who knows how the fuck they could do that with today's technology, but maybe someday in the future they'll be able to figure that out. I've been fascinated by it ever since listening to you talk about it

and then watching your documentary on it. DMT, The Spirit Molecule. The Spirit Molecule. That was all based on Strassman's work. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's crazy. I mean, I tried it one time and it was, you know, it was unlike anything for the 10 minutes I've ever experienced in my entire life.

And so it was, you know, after that, I've obviously read all the stuff, tried to, you know. What's interesting is I think no one will probably ever know. Until you do it. Or no, I just mean. What it is. There's something, there's a phenomenon happening that we just as humans can't possibly understand. Yeah. Maybe we'll never understand in our lifetime.

Well, you know, there's two different ways of looking at it. One is that's a human neurochemistry um and that is a chemical that it's just producing these crazy visuals and it's just all the meaning that you attach to is just your own and then the other way of looking at it is it's some sort of a chemical gateway into the afterlife and that what you're seeing is like the souls of these people that have lived before and all the people that have ever lived like a sea of souls and i don't know what who's right or who's wrong but it's impossible to describe like you describe it it's just like you're just throwing words around just it doesn't doesn't work yeah you know and it's produced by your own body that's the weirdest thing like everybody has it like terence mckinney used to

joke about it he said everybody's holding like it's a schedule one compound but everybody tests positive for it wow it's it's illegal but is it illegal like how do they how do they decide whether it's going to be illegal if it's plain if it's a plant that's the problem that is the problem just the plants that all contain it are all legal they're all they are all legal and then it's illegal but it's in all these legal plants but it's in thousands of plants that's part of the problem it's like you can have a san pedro cactus and keep it in your house and everybody's like what's that like oh it's pretty cactus uh yeah but it's also there's drugs in that fucking cactus i mean that's that's where mescaline comes from comes from that you know

yeah i think about it yeah trip your balls off from a fucking cactus that's crazy, that's where mescaline comes from. It comes from that. I don't know anything about it. Yeah, trip your balls off from a fucking cactus. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, when the peyote rituals, that's from a cactus. That's a San Pedro cactus. Is mescaline the same thing as peyote? I think so. I think, see if you can Google that, Jamie.

I believe that peyote and mescaline are in some way. That's the slang or something for it. Is it? Yeah, mescaline occurs naturally in the peyote and mescaline or some way that's the slang or something for it is it yeah mescaline is occurs naturally in the peyote cactus yeah so you could have that cactus in your house and you're basically a drug dealer but meanwhile you're not you're a little old lady who enjoys succulents you know like oh it says you're pretty cactus i love it i can go out of town for a week and come back and it's fine yeah so that's a really cool looking cactus that people keep in their yard all the time

in LA. Like one of the things in LA, because of the drought that we have for so many years until this year, which is awesome, everything looks like New Zealand out there now. Yeah, it is nice. But people would have these hardscapes in their yards where they would just have rocks and succulents and cactus. So there's a lot of people that have those cactuses. That cactus, you could go meet jesus

with that cactus have you done it no no i've never done peyote yeah that seems uh it seems like a lot it's a long time though right i think it's one of the longer ones i think i think it's a few hours but so is ayahuasca you know i've never haven't done that either i've only done the dm what dmt is like a shorter more potent form of it yeah but i've done it several times over the course of an evening where it's like been like a couple hour experience do you feel like it's i mean obviously you know people who have done it they know it's just like it's not something that you're doing recreationally it's something that's like okay you do this this one time it's or or you know a times. It's not like you're out going to the club. Oh, no.

You know what I mean? It's a very spiritual sort of thing you do. That word spiritual is so beaten down. It's one of those words that I don't even like to use. Okay. You know what I mean? It's like so many people are like, I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. It almost seems like, you know what I mean?

I got a spiritual gangster show I'm about to throw away as soon as I get home. Joe Rogan says it's not cool. Well, it's not that it's not cool. It's just, it's kind of been co-opted by nonsense. Sure. You know, and not even nonsense intentionally. I mean, people say that they, like they'll say things and they don't mean anything.

It's not that they're lying or they're being deceptive. It's just that it's such a problematic word. No. Yeah. of being deceptive. It's just that it's such a problematic word. No. Yeah. What I, what I mean, I guess I can say better is, is, uh, it's, it's a experience that, you know, is something that's very powerful. It's very profound. Yeah. It's profound. And, and you, you want to sort of do it and, and talk about it and have a collective sort of discussion about it, you know? Yeah. And it's also, there's also a real problem with perception, especially amongst people

that haven't experienced psychedelic drugs, that when you say the word drug or you say psychedelic compounds, maybe, because when you say the word drug, people automatically have in their head, oh, you're a weak person. You're trying to hide from reality. You know, you're trying to shield yourself. You're just trying to get high and just lay around like, I don't even want to be here, man. It couldn't be further from the truth. It's like one of the most self-exploratory and deeply disturbing in its profound and powerful effects.

It's very shocking. And you leave it. Once it's over, you're a different person, man. Now that you know that that's a real possibility, you're going to be a different person. Yeah. Maybe. I was. Maybe you won't.

I mean, it depends on how you're coming into it and then what kind of defense mechanisms you have, what kind of ego you have, whether or not you can just realize, like, now that you've seen this, you know that life will never be the same again. You're always going to know that that's a possibility, that you can smoke this crystal powder that's extracted from plants. And when you smoke it, you're transported to a world of love and understanding and geometric patterns of infinite description to the point where you can't even describe it. You don't even know what you're looking at while you're looking at it. It's just so beyond. It lifts the veil from what we think is reality.

Yeah, and it might be heaven. It might be the afterlife. It really might be. There might be a reason why people think that heaven is filled with ultimate love. It's because people have had near-death experiences, and they've come back with these stories. And during those near-death experiences, it's entirely possible.

Not just speculative, not just like it might absolutely be that your brain is producing this dimethyltryptamine that it already produces in high doses and that's what it's there for. We don't know, you know? Sure. But you've done it.

Yep. Yeah, a lot of people have done it now. I know. More people than ever. That's crazy. In history, for sure. For sure. More people listening to this now have experienced DMT than probably at any time in human history.

And, yeah, I tell people when they ask, you know, if you haven't done it, you should do it. Because it's mind-opening. You know, you go, whoa, okay. You realize it's humbling, I think, you know you go well okay you realize it's humbling i think too you know there's a lot we don't understand that's happening and then we may never understand and and to be so closed-minded to think we know one path or the other what's the right thing or the wrong thing this is really arrogant it's very ego shattering it's very ego shattering and it also once you know that that's possible, it's like, how is that possible?

How is it possible that you're just 30 seconds away from that at any time? I know. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. You've never experienced it? No. No.

I can't. I get drug tested at work. He drinks Miller Lite, though. Well, I don't think it's even, that wouldn't even come up on a drug test. It's a plant-based, right? I mean, that wouldn't even. No, it wouldn't come up at all. It wouldn't even come up on a drug test.

Your body tests positive for it. Always. Because you have it in your system. Okay, let's do it where is it it's back home just kidding we got to go into a vault michael bisping is gonna get mad at us why he was mad that you're talking about smoking pot all the time really when a couple days ago for real why was he mad at that i don't know silly why would anybody be mad at that pots were don't know. That's silly. Why would anybody be mad at that? Pots were awesome. Settle down, Mike.

He talks about drinking beer all the time. Mike's always drunk. He did this whole thing where he's talking about being in Vegas, and he was talking to GSP, and GSP is like, you're drunk. He goes, of course I'm drunk. I'm in Vegas. He goes, I just got here. I was drinking last night.

He said he doesn't put up all the time that he's drinking beer. Did you see this, Jamie? Why can't GSP? No, Bisping. Oh, but go ahead. You're talking about GSP. No, Bisping was drunk. Oh, okay.

And GSP called him out on it. Like he said, you smell like alcohol. He's like, yeah, I was drinking all night. The fuck's wrong with you? I'm in Vegas. Okay. Well, why would Bisping be upset that I talk about beer, or I talk about pot when he's always talking about beer?

That's silly. Maybe that's not true. You sure? Jamie? You find that? Jamie's going to find it. He's talking about you and- He's probably just making fun of me.

You and Diaz. Nick Diaz? I don't know. He's probably just trying to get a fight with Nick Diaz. That's probably what it is. Maybe. Maybe it's England for a fight. I figured you would have seen it. No, I love Michael. I think he's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. get a fight with nick diaz that's probably what it is maybe maybe it's angling for a fight i figured

you would have seen it no i love michael i think he's a bad motherfucker yeah that guy's tough as shit man can't even see out of one eye i know he's got one eye that's all fucked up they filled it they did an operation on it and then filled it up with oil so that um it doesn't the the retina doesn't rupture again when uh so he's fightingSP. When is that? Do we know when? They do not have a date. They're trying to figure it out. But Bisping has said that if GSP can't make it by July, he'll fight somebody else. So he might fight Lolo Romero.

How old is GSP now? Michael Bisping blasts Joe Rogan and Nick Diaz for positively promoting cannabis. Told ya. But that might not be real. By saying blasts you'd have to hear like what he actually said I can't tell what it's from

it doesn't say it's all clickbait nowadays yeah it's bullshit so you might have just seen that it might have literally oh he's probably hanging out with Joe Rogan

you know like one of those things did you see that that 60 minutes on and all the you know I know this word's a it's a good picture of you fake news or whatever

you see the yeah 60 minutes on it hashtag fake news oh yeah I mean you know like this word's a topical word. It's a good picture of you. The fake news or whatever. You see the 60 Minutes on it? Hashtag fake news. Oh, yeah. I mean, that word's sort of popular now because I think, I don't know, some people have said it and it's popular. But it's amazing now all the people profiting on it. It really showcases.

You should check out the 60 Minutes. It's incredible. We've had it. Do you remember the You Sav me from a bear attack? Oh, yeah There was there was yeah, I got attacked by a bear Joe shot the bear and there's a whole article Yeah, yeah, that was all was I got one that said I killed a mountain lion with my belt. That's right House in Pasadena, right? Yeah. Do you I mean, what do you think about that?

Do you think that it's a... I mean, all that stuff is pretty... Do you think there should be controls over it? Like, just outside of being, you know, the FCC being able to, like, sue people or whatever that never really happens, it feels like. Do you think that it should be hard to control? I don't know, because there's, like, things like The Onion. It's like, when do you draw the line?

Because The Onion is hilarious. So they'll make a subtle parody of something and make it completely preposterous. Right. And then pull up a good example of an Onion headline. It's like, The Onion is a- What's an Onion? Do you know what The Onion is? No.

The Onion is a famous parody news site where they make stories that just, if you're smart, you read it and you go, what? Like Stephen Colbert or something? He's making a parody on it. Yeah. Yeah. where they make stories that just, if you're smart, you read it and you go, what? Like Stephen Colbert or something? He's making a parody on it. Yeah, yeah, in a way, yeah. And most of them are pretty humorous, but occasionally people will tweet me with like an onion story, and like, can you fucking believe this shit, man?

It's getting out of control. And then you read it and you go, hey, dummy, this is comedy. People don't have common sense, so that's the problem with that clickbait stuff is they believe it yeah because they don't they can't read it and be like ah that's probably whatever it's just like they believe everything yeah but i mean isn't that the case with like cults and the moonies and scientology and like there's a lot of nonsense that people believe in it's not hard to get people to believe in shit sure it's a good question like what do we do about it do you leave it up to common sense which isn't very common today or do you do step in yeah rookie justice gore such how do you say

his name assigned to supreme court overnight shift it's a joke see because he's a new supreme court guy and they're giving him a shitty gig. See, that's not real. But if somebody read that, they're like, this is bullshit. These fucking liberals. Just because he's a conservative, they're putting him on the night shift. There's no night shift. Man tries using pink six-pound bowling ball to great amusement. That's not real either.

See, it's like what they do. They write these articles that are comedy. But they fake. They pose as news, which is a little, I think it's different because if you're fiction and you're posing as... As real news. Yeah. Yeah. It's like where do you, where, you know, obviously there's no more journalistic integrity it feels like. Well, there's some.

There's some. There's some. there's some. There's some. There's some. There's some. There's some. It just feels like there's, you know, how do you? How do you know? You read the news, you're misinformed. You don't read it, you're misinformed.

You're not informed. You're just like, what do you do? So have you been the topic of something? Oh, I mean, no. I mean, there's been fake stuff about me. Yeah, is there? For sure. That's like my stuff about me, for sure. That's like my setting. My dad's saying, believe half of what

you see and none of what you hear. I always laugh because there's always some silly thing. My friends will come to me and say, hey, did you really do this? No, I didn't do that. There's a ton of fake stuff out there. I'm sure there's a ton of stuff about you. Oh, yeah. I just won recently by disarming a guy at the comedy store.

Some guy had a gun and I disarmed him My buddy mines are cops at a man. Congratulations on that. Hey, good job to do. I'm like what good job What did I do you save people you save people's lives, but you could ruin someone's life, you know in a second Yeah, if someone wrong way they said in the wrong word something, you know Someone says he you know, they all they got throw is allegedly or something. Sure allegedly raped somebody or something You know, they ruined some poor guy's life, you know, reputation just out the window. Well, that's what they've always been able to do with those supermarket tabloids. Say allegedly from a source.

A source tells us that Cam Haynes likes to, you know. Oh, be careful here. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Shoot bows. But yeah, it's great. You don't have to do much more than that. And you kind of cover your ass and you say, I have to protect my sources.

I have the First Amendment right. It's a weird time. It's a weird time because essentially the boundaries to publication have been dissolved. It used to be that you had to work for the New York Times or the Washington Post or a newspaper, whatever. Now all you need is a blog or a Facebook page and you're breaking news. And Scott Eastwood admits to wearing women's clothes while he hunts for deer. That's going to be odd. Larry David.

Larry David will wear women's underwear. That's one of the best lines ever. It's strange. It is definitely. You're right. It's definitely strange. But who's to decide? I mean, I know they're trying to work on some ways to figure it out i know facebook is working on some different ways to block fake news but who's to decide what's fake and what's real

and who's to decide where it becomes parody when is it funny like when is it the onion when it's pretty subtle sure and when is it just like some guy making up a story about you, me saving you from a bear attack? Yeah. And it's weird. I know. I don't know. I don't sweat it.

It's a tough one. Yeah. I'm not really concerned. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'll sleep well at night. I'll be okay. But it's a weird sign of the times.

The times are weird. Yeah. We have weird times. And the ability to communicate where anybody can do anything at any time and everybody can find out about it. You could write something on your Twitter page, just publish it, and then it gets to the right amount of people, and then they share it, and then all of a sudden a million people have seen it inside of an hour.

No, it's crazy. But it's good, too. Yeah. I mean, we've used that for our benefit. Yeah, for sure. That's what you do all the time. That's what I do. Your voice.

I mean, this made me have a voice. You know, you've always had one, but me have one. And so it's an amazing time, too. Well, even my voice is way different now. I'm having a podcast, and that's much, in a lot of ways, the same thing. Because it's just, I mean, this is a pretty lean operation, obviously. I was surprised. Just a computer, you know, Jamie to figure it out.

And then we talk. And then you upload it. And that's it. There's not a whole lot of steps. And yet, this will probably get 5 million downloads. Maybe even more. So it's weird. It's weird in that sense that it can reach so many different people and then it's there's there's no corporation behind it there's no washington post so we could just sit here and

just make up a bunch of fake shit yeah and just be really adamant that this really happened and you know a lot of people are going to believe it yeah and how could could someone stop you from doing that i don't know if they could. As long as you're not slandering anybody and you're not getting sued. So what's your prediction if Bisping and GSP fight? Very interesting fight. Because Bisping's been a battler, a warrior for a long time. He's been very active.

And he's a very well-honed machine right now. whereas GSP has been out of the loop for a solid three years No competition at all. However, he's been training the entire time Yeah, so bit GSP is not a guy who sits around and gets fat and he gets nothing done No, he's constantly training. Yeah, but Then again, he stopped because he was having memory issues and head injury. GSP. Yeah. I mean, he got hit in the head 800

plus times over the course of his UFC career. In that Hendricks fight, he got hit in the head about 10,000 times, it seemed like. He was a mess after that fight. Yeah. He's been a mess after a few fights. Yeah. You know, Carlos Condit head kicked him and knocked him down. I mean, he's had some wars.

Matt Serra knocked him out, you know. It's weird. It feels like GSP, he's been the champion, but it doesn't feel like he doesn't have that champion respect for whatever reason. Well, it's because his last fight with Hendricks was super close. Yeah, we watched that here. I did the fight companion. No, not that fight. I was there for that fight.

The Hendrix? Yeah, not Hendrix's last fight. I'm talking about GSP's last fight. Oh, I was talking about Bisbing Hendrix. Oh, no. Bisbing and Henderson. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. That's when Eddie Bravo went full Tower 7. Eddie got super drunk. Was worried the Illuminati was going to come and get us.

But... And I said knockouts were better than submissions i think well a lot of people like it but gsp's last fight with johnny hendrix was super close super close fight and gsp retired with the belt yeah i thought i thought he lost that fight just i mean a lot of people did yeah a lot of people did yeah either way A lot of people did. Yeah. Either way, it wasn't like this big victory. It's not like the way he beat down BJ Penn and stopped him. If he said, then I'm going to retire. I had a great time.

Thank you very much. Everybody would be like, yeah, we love you, George. Right. But instead it was a close fight. So people are like, hmm. Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know if he got the belt. Right.

Maybe he should have went out with a loss there. Who knows? But don't you think Bisping doesn't have that championship-type respect? He does not right now. Yeah. And the reason he does not is because he defended against Henderson, who wasn't really ranked that high. Right.

And he really shouldn't have got a title shot, but it was a rematch of one of the most epic knockouts ever because Henderson flatlined him and then punched him in the head while he was down and flew through the air. And that's Henderson's logo now. Yeah. Henderson's logo is literally a silhouette of his body flying through the air, ready to drop a punch down on Bisping's unconscious body. Yeah.

So. And then who else has he defended? Then he defended it. After he did that, he. Who the fuck did he just fight? No, he's fighting GSP. That's the next fight. So he defended it against Henderson,

and then the next title defense is going to be against GSP. He didn't have one before Henderson? No, no, no. He won the title by beating Luke Rockwell. Oh, Luke, yeah, yeah. Then he defended it against Dan Henderson, and now he's going to fight GSP. So the thought is, how is this guy getting two fights that aren't Luke?

You look at Luke Rockhold, Yoel Romero, who's the number one contender, who's fucking terrifying. Which he should get the shot, you think. Yes, Yoel should get the shot. Yeah, if you look at it in terms of who's the most viable contender, who's the guy that you would think would be the most threatening guy who's the guy that might be the uncrowned champion yeah you got to go with yoel romero it feels like ufc is um i think you know they're trying to find their way they're footing a little bit with no ronda no connor no so they're just going after that big what can we sell a bunch of

pay-per-views for and gsp's a big name well no go please go no i was just gonna ask to what's happening with connor and that whole fight with uh floyd mayweather yeah is that happening no it has not been worked out yet so it's not definitive but there's so much money involved that they think they're gonna make it happen and that's and that's the the ufc's got to come to an agree agreement or what didn't he get in trouble with the UFC, though, Connor? Didn't Connor, for, I don't know, not saying something and coming out and saying something a while ago or get fined or something?

He got fined for throwing the water bottle monster energy thing. Yeah, they fined him $150,000, and then they dropped it down. I think they dropped it to like $35,000. He said he'd never fight in Vegas again after that. And they're like, hey, relax. Because if you go to New York, it's a debacle.

The big factor is another factor is also that the UFC was purchased by WME. That's an entertainment company. Entertainment company is going to try to put on the biggest show they could put on. And that's not necessarily like the number one ranked contender fighting for the title. I think that it's an entertainment. I understand it's a business. I understand. But it is also, it's extremely important that you honor the hierarchy of champion and top challenger.

I think that's critical. Well, you work your way up. I mean,'s critical. Well, you work your way up. I mean, you pay your dues. You work your way up. You're ranked on ability. Yeah. They're trying to manufacture big fights instead of letting big fights build themselves. Evolve.

Yeah. Big fights evolve when you let a guy like Yoel Romero fight, and he wins. He beats Chris Weidman by knockout. And then if he fights Michael Bisping, and Michael Bisping like Yoel Romero fight and he wins, he beats Chris Weidman by knockout, and then if he fights Michael Bisping and Michael Bisping... If Michael Bisping beats Yoel Romero, Michael Bisping becomes a superstar. And it's a tough fight. It's a real tough fight. If Yoel Romero beats Michael Bisping,

first of all, he looks like a goddamn superhero, so that's easy to sell. You look at his highlight reel of smashing people to the fucking moon. He's a freak. He's one of the greatest wrestlers that's ever competed. He medaled in every single international competition he entered. He beat Kale Sanderson.

He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. He beat him twice. He's just a freak of freaks. Do you know who Yoel Romero is? Jamie, pull up a picture of Yoel Romero because he doesn't even look real. No, he doesn't. He's like one of those guys you're like, what is that?

That's a person? Is that a real person or a CGI person? Yeah. Just so jacked. Who did he? Oh, he beat... He beat everybody. No, no, no.

But in that last one with the flying knee. Chris Weidman. Right. Oh, my God. He flatlined him. Yeah, because it seemed like that whole fight

he wasn't really doing much. Look at that. Get the fuck out of here. That's a real person? But he did this. That did not look fun. He's so jacked. The fight against Chris Weidman was sort of like hanging in the balance.

And then he did some flying knee. Hit him in the side of the head. Yeah. I was just like, where did that come from? Pull up that video that Yoel Romero K ko's my um chris weidman yeah yeah there's an animated gif of that oh here we go go to the video it's fucking insane like look how even how he he fucking flies when he lands but look how he turns around already and lands punches here it goes watch this boom how recent was this fight a couple

months ago i was in australia i don't think i saw it down there he's just a freak man and it cut the biggest gash in the side of his head yeah see if you get a clear video of it superman fly yeah from like another angle but he's just uh yeah a freak of nature and science. He's capable of that at any second. Boom. But the amount of force behind that, he's just flying through the air. And that's so irregular, too. It's kind of like the way Chuck Liddell used to hit, real irregular, like a flying knee to your face. Out of nowhere type thing.

Well, he's just so explosive. So his ability to close the distance is stunning sometimes and people aren't prepared for it because he's such an athlete. But in that fight, it didn't feel like he had been doing much. You know what I mean? It felt like he was just kind of like, God, when is he going to get off?

It was a close fight, for sure. And then all of a sudden, just some out of nowhere. So whether or not Michael Bisping can beat It was a close fight, for sure. And then all of a sudden, just some out of nowhere. Yeah. So whether or not Michael Bisping can beat him, who knows? But you've got to give him a chance. Oh, I know. He's a number.

He's going to give you all a chance. Yeah. So it seems, I don't know, it doesn't seem, life isn't fair, who cares? But it doesn't seem fair that it's GSP. Well, the thing is, is it a sport or is it entertainment? I mean, are you just trying to put on a spectacle or is it a sport? And if it's a sport, if you're going to have the World Series, people play this guy to play that guy. And it gets to the World Series.

And here's the World Series, folks. And we've had this whole season. We've been building to this moment. And this is the hierarchy. Right. And it's still huge. No, if it's just a show, put three of them in there. Put you all in there, too, with GSP and Michael Bisping.

Do that. All three. I was saying that they should have, because you're dealing with a guy in GSP who's been out for a long time. Yeah. Have him fight Nick Diaz. He's been out for a long time, too. Neither one of them is ranked. Have both those guys. They fought before, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Have a rematch. Yeah. That's the fight. That would get a ton of pay-per-views. Fuck, yeah. Have both those guys. They fought before, right? Yeah. Yeah. Have a rematch. Yeah. That's the fight. That would get a ton of pay-per-views. Fuck, yeah. People love Diaz.

They love him. I don't think people even know how much people love him. I don't even know if the UFC knows how big of a star Nick and Nate are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sacramento, right? California.

Yeah, but Bisping was like, oh, they're fucking smoking pot. Take them away from the fucking promoting pot use. Don't those guys do crazy insane cardio? Oh, yeah. Bisping's got insane cardio. The Diaz brothers have insane cardio. Nick has swam back from Alcatraz five times. Excuse me?

Whoa. Five times. I said twice once, and he corrected me online. He said five now. Well, they compete. They race every year? They compete in triathlons. All the time.

Yeah. You know my dad, actually, he was in a plane crash in his early 20s. And it was off San Francisco. And he had to swim a couple miles in that water to survive. Yeah. Holy shit. He crashed into the water? Yeah, yeah.

Most people don't know that. Whoa. It's pretty crazy he and and i'm gonna i'm gonna butcher the details but uh just you know from growing up fake news exactly um but what happened was he was in the army and uh it was right around the the time the korean war was starting and he was they were flying they're doing a routine flight or something and they had to crash land in the ocean whoa and it was getting night and i i believed i believe the pilot died and i could be wrong on that the pilot died but his other guy he was with survived so him and him and uh this other guy they were they were swimming to shore,

and they got split up because it was getting dark at night. And so now they're swimming alone. And anyone who knows San Francisco, it's cool. Yeah, definitely Jaws water. That's where they breed. Really? Yeah, great whites breed in Northern California. There's like a nesting ground up there.

Yeah, not where you want to crash a plane then. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Great Whites breed in Northern California. There's like a nesting ground up there. Yeah. Fucking monsters. Not where you want to crash a plane then. Not where you want to swim from Alcatraz five times either in your underwear. I know. That's crazy. Yeah. I guess I've heard of that race.

Yeah. But that's crazy he's done that. Yeah. Wow. So your dad had to swim two miles? Yeah. Something like that. Maybe more.

It could have been more. Fuck. But it was long. I'm good for a couple hundred yards. Yeah, swimming's not easy. Then I start looking for a log to hang on to. I think your dad has property in Oregon, or a house or something. Does he?

Not that I know of. We've got a ranch up in northern California. He's had a ranch for a long time up in east of Redding. Oh, okay. Maybe I'm getting it. It's in, if you don't know, Bernie is in that sort of area up there. And then maybe-

Lake Shasta sort of area. And I think we have a big sawmill right where I live, Weyerhaeuser. I think, this could be wrong, I think he worked there. Your dad worked at the Weyerhaeuser sawmill. I don't know. I mean, I never heard that.

Look, there's a lot of I've heard. I mean, I've heard crazy things. I'm very crazier. Let's see if this is crazy. Maybe as on DMT. How often do you get to hang out with him? Well, I've been busy a lot. You know, I was gone for six months in Australia and China.

And then before that, I was working on Fast. And then before that, I was on a movie. Not as much as I'd like, but he is turning 87 this year. And that's, I'm taking some time off to, because I really feel like that's an important, important time in my life to try to be around him. Yeah. 87. I know, that's old it just happens yeah all of a

sudden you're 87 i didn't that's almost 90 i didn't it doesn't feel like clint eastwood would be almost 90 yeah i know i would have thought 70 it's it's strange wow because he was just um so he had you when he was like in his 50s damn son yeah just getting shit done he's well i got it i have a sister i have a sister who's uh 19 she might just turn 20 no wow so he was he was getting it done even in his 60s yeah slinging it in his 60s oh i get it yeah yeah so he was married to that girl who was a newscaster or something, right? They did a reality show. Well, he did she did a reality show. Yeah, he wasn't he wasn't he didn't do it No, it was in no episodes at all. Well, yeah, she might have gotten him into my force to another episode Yeah, I remember that was going on. I was like, huh?

This one ain't gonna work Whenever that was going on, I was like, what? This one ain't going to work. No, that wasn't his thing. Was he married to the, who was the woman in? Sandra Locke? Yeah, every which way, but. Yeah.

Yeah, never, never married. Oh, they weren't, okay. She sued the shit out of him, though, when he broke up with her. Oh. That was like a crazy story that he was like blocking her film projects. She was trying to claim that, and he was like a crazy story that he was like blocking her film projects. She was trying to claim that. And he was like, what? Yeah.

I don't think he has time to deal with that. Yeah. Those kind of. Right. Well, she had gotten some sort of a deal when they broke up to do like some film projects. It was like part of like the, you know, separation deal. Yeah. And she was claiming that he was somehow or another blocking them. If I remember the story correctly.

Wow. Nothing like a woman's squirm. Look at that. He did. He worked at the pulp mill. Oh, wow. But wait a minute. Who are you reading this on?

Wikipedia? Yeah. I think he did. Maybe. I'll ask him. It's all real, bro. It's on the internet. It's got to be real.

I think he did. Hey, look. I don't know if you know about Wikipedia, but this is why I know it's it's on the internet it's got to be real i think he did hey look i don't know if you know about wikipedia but this is why i know it's real because anyone can enter in information and edit it right that's crazy so it's so so 100 rock solid so rock solid because why why would anybody put something that wasn't true up there i think wikipedia still says brian callan's my brother really somebody might have changed it but I left it there forever. Yeah.

Well, he's as jacked as you. He's almost as jacked as me. Yeah. It's close. He was flexing up yesterday. Too close to call. He does flex like crazy. He's such a silly goose.

That guy's the best to go hunting with. Because for five days, like the last time time we went it was just nothing but jokes just constant laughter he's because he's like he's the best at a captive audience yeah like if you're stuck in the car anywhere yeah he's gonna make us he's the guy to make make a scene well he's just funny man he's a he's like just i'm not funny that way the way he is he's like a just a natural showman clown silly person yeah It's always silly and what the first time I took him to Montana like we went hunting with Rinella Well it was just it was six days of gut-busting

Howling laughter does Steve seems more like dry though like seems funny does he he's funny guy too, okay? Especially he's got a couple pops in him He's a funny guy, too. Okay. Especially if he's got a couple pops in him. He's a funny dude. But Callan had this character called the Ravine Comer, and he couldn't, they wouldn't put it anywhere. They wouldn't release the footage, but they filmed it. It was him. He was doing this character of a guy who finds, every time he sees a ravine, he has to come. So he runs towards these ravines.

A ravine? Yeah. And Callan's pulling his pants down, and he screaming that he's like shooting loads into this ravine. I mean, I'm not doing it any justice. Because he's like way over the top. He's like, God, a fucking ravine. Like you just, whenever you'd see like any sort of a valley, he would have to pretend he was jerking off into it.

I'm telling you, it seems so ridiculous, but you're loopy. I think everybody's done that before. Jerked off into a ravine? Oh, yeah, of course. But when you're loopy, you get up at 5.30 in the morning, it's dark out, you're freezing. He's the guy. He's just making everybody laugh.

Yeah, that's what he mentioned. There is something weird about that, like in the woods when you're waking up super early or going surfing super early, you're sort of delirious. Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck are we doing? Why are we putting ourselves through this shit? And then, you know, you obviously do your activity or whatever it is and you're happy you did it.

But it's a weird delirium hour. There's also some weird thoughts that go through your mind when you're sleep deprived that don't ordinarily go through your mind. Sure. weird thoughts that go through your mind when you're sleep deprived that don't ordinarily go through your mind. So one of the reasons like some writers on purpose will wait until like really late at night until they write. Like the writers that wrote for news radio, the sitcom that I used to be on, they would wait until like two or three in the morning before they started writing. They would just stay up and get silly and joke around. It is silly and creative. It can be silly some way. That's usually when I make a post that I wake up in the morning and read and be like, why did I say that? I did that the other day.

I was in New York. I was sat at a bar and we were all celebrating sort of weird Fast and Furious stuff. And I wake up in the morning and there's me screaming, singing Tina Turner at the top of my lungs. What's love got to do with it? Oh, no. Oh, my oh my god yeah out of context that could be a problem it's a story it was so not part of any of the story you know it was just that yeah yeah so did you drive in fast and furious yeah do you drive did you drive for real or do they have how does that work we don't we don't we don't we don't do a lot of the you

know the heavy lifting the heavy lifting. The heavy lifting is done by professional stunt guys. It's a big liability, first off. And those stunts, they do an incredible job of keeping everything in camera, or at least a lot of it. Obviously, they can't do cars flying over submarines in camera and stuff, but they do a really good job of utilizing the stunt driver's talents and keeping a lot of stuff on camera.

But do you drive at all? Is it ever you driving? Yeah, you like pull up to a thing, then, you know, do a couple lines or a scene or something, but you're not doing the... You're not going sideways around a corner. Yeah. You know what always drives me nuts with those movies?

They crush these awesome cars. Yeah. Like, they crush these awesome cars. Yeah. They take these awesome classic cars and smash them. I'm like, no. They used 700 or something were destroyed. 700 cars. What in the fuck, man?

It's like the Dukes of Hazzard. Like one of the biggest bummers about the Dukes of Hazzard is watching these old chargers slam nose first into the ground and then pretending that thing's okay yeah oh yeah there's some of that jumping off or driving off the snow what mountain or something yeah yeah there's some stuff and still still still the car's fine but you know that's funny because you said 700 cars were ruined i shot an iphone in slow motion one time and people were saying how wasteful I was. I'm like, have you ever seen a movie? I mean, do you not care? That's entertaining. Wasteful of what?

Wasteful of what? Gigabytes? No, I know. Wasteful of the phone. I wasted, somebody could use that phone. Don't you know? You remember the first shot in an iPhone? I was like shooting in slow motion.

I shot it with an arrow. Oh yeah, I shot it with an arrow. Waste of a phone. We shot some here. We shot some inmo. I shot it with an arrow. Yeah. Oh shot an airfoil waste of a phone Yeah shot some here. We shot some in that back studio for unbox therapy Yeah, I set up some iPhones because they had they came out with some new glass right? I was back on a 90 pound factor to a Blue right through that thing that people were like that was so wasteful. You could have given that to somebody I'm just like, you know, Someone's got an opinion about everything.

Go watch a movie. 700 classic cars. Yeah. They weren't classic. I mean, you know, some are Pintos or, you know, whatever. You know, I don't know. You call them classic. They weren't all the Vin Diesel driving car.

No. How about the shooting? Did you guys actually shoot guns? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Not live ammunition, but blank ammunition. That's pretty standard on movies.

Okay. Yeah. Because you had some shooting scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I was told that when you do a scene with a gun and blank ammunition, you're still not supposed to point at the actor. No. No, no.

I mean, if anyone's got good gun discipline, I mean, that's how i grew up is you know good gun discipline you know muzzle down it's always but i mean like even in a scene where you're shooting at someone oh yeah yeah you want to sort of offset it yeah especially if it's close i mean they do testing and stuff first to see and they'll tell you hey you can't pass this line you know if you're walking up and you're going to pull it draw a gun on somebody that you know we don't want you to go past yeah this line, you know, if you're walking up and you're going to pull it, draw a gun on somebody that, you know, we don't want you to go past this line or so. And then, and obviously, you know, Hey, can you not aim it directly at their head? They'll find a good point for you to aim it at. That's a good cheat with the camera a little bit.

I'd heard that that happened after Brandon Lee got killed. Yeah. The movie, The Crow. Yeah. That was a bad one. Yeah. They had real ammo in there, right? No, there was like something was in there.

Piece of... Piece, I think, of... It got... You know, what happens is sometimes, like, what happens is sometimes, you know, even in these airbags, the same sort of stuff, they had all these recall in these airbags, is what happens is these blanks, you know, sometimes they'll bunch up together over time if it's an old blank, the gunpowder. So it can like harden. Oh.

And then it can shoot like a projectile. Yeah, like almost like a couple of shotgun pellets. Wow. And it just penetrated the right spot and killed him. Yeah. God. Crazy. It was a.44 Magnum, I think.

Wow. So there's a ton of power behind it. Crazy. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. So now they just point it to the side and what about like fight scenes what about do you have to do fight scenes like especially you having a martial arts

background sure have you do scenes yeah i didn't do you know there wasn't a terrible amount of uh a fight slammed he slammed against the wall i guess i get slammed around a little bit uh in this one but uh sure you you know, in other films, I love doing that stuff. That's the fun stuff. Especially, you know, because you get to hang with the, those are some of the coolest guys on set,

all the stunt guys. You know, they're all, you know, like-minded people, all, you know, martial art background guys. And so you're just choreographing all day, working that out, and then you get on set and you're doing it, or you're doing it with them because day working that out and then you get on set and you're doing it or you're you're doing it

With them because they might be playing the you know villain number seven or something, you know something So then you're you've already sort of got a shorthand with them and you're that's that's the fun stuff. That's cool It's way better than dealing with like a difficult actor or something. Do you ever do that? Yeah, who's the worst? Make make their name rhyme or something else. Just make their name rhyme. Yeah. Let's, you know.

You'll get me in trouble. Like Sin Seasel. Loose lips think ships, guys. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. That's why I hear. Yeah. I thought it was torpedoes, but.

Nope. Might just be lips. And loose lips. torpedoes but nope might just be lips and loose lips yet in the scene uh the rock picks him up like and slams him holds him against the wall and then damn yeah was that real was that real it's real with it's real with some assistance there's some movie magic but he's a big guy i mean if it was real you would have dropped him and choked him out, right? That dude is so jacked. He took a photo of him after a workout the other day, and I'm like, what? Yeah, he's huge.

He's so disciplined, too. 4 a.m. 4 a.m., yeah. When you're on set with him, is he just always doing that? What's his deal? Yeah, he's just an extremely disciplined guy. I got a lot of respect for him. He knows what he wants, and he is going to get it.

There is no no. he is taking it down he's making movie after movie after movie he's going to go do it he eats religiously he's got these meals that come which is I love doing meal prep stuff because it's great, it makes his life one less thing to think about

but he's very religious with it get the fuck out at that look at that piece of meat he's more jacked now than he's ever been in his life yeah I think he's I think he's 44 yeah 44 or 46 or something yeah and just crazy uber jacked yeah and continuing to get more and more jacked still still putting in the work yeah he's not done getting jacked. He's keeping pumping it. He's keeping it going.

It's just when you see his schedule and his workload, there's always some new project he's doing. He's doing a TV show, and he's doing a this, and he's doing a that. I know. How the fuck does he have time? And he's hosting this award show, and he's doing something for the troops, and he's doing this movie, and he's finishing up that movie. He's like, how?

I tell you, the travel is what kills me i know you probably you've been in show business yeah for all longer than all of us you know um and uh the travel is what kills you right these long flights and then jet lag and then trying to you got to go hit the gym yeah well i did a podcast yesterday my brain just wouldn't fire right it takes like to me like a day or two okay i just flew in from buffalo and it just takes a day or two Like for your brain to like re-sync like today. I feel normal, but yesterday. I just was like foggy well, if you I haven't tried it, but I keep hearing about the What you're supposed to do with the light for the jet lag?

Because like the simulation of light wherever you're at and they have you know You're supposed to put on the eye Thing like when it's supposed to get dark like say you're flying into the light you're flying you know going away all those eye covers yeah and simulate wherever you want wherever you're supposed to end up yeah and that really supposed to help with jet lag i was reading a podcast about alaska about people that hunt in alaska and then when you go up there in the summer and you get like two hours of a podcast did i say reading a podcast? What the fuck is wrong with me?

Why do I keep saying that? That's the second time on this podcast. I've never said it before. Maybe I'm still not really recovered from Buffalo. I'm in denial. Excuse me. I was listening to a podcast where they were talking. This guy was talking about how usually he sleeps like a baby, but he went up to Alaska

because it's only dark for two hours a night in the summer where they were at and i think they were in the brooks range yeah and uh he was saying that like after like six or seven days started getting delusional yeah it's just delirious you know too much what's going on that's that same with that circadian rhythm is that just the light because they say the light affects the optic nerves where you're supposed to produce melatonin yeah yeah and this guy was saying that the way to mitigate that that he didn't know at the time, but he was told by someone, is to wear a mask. Those sleeping masks you see in movies, they always look so silly in movies.

Yeah. But those things are actually effective. Yeah. Huh. I am sloppy about it, but- Fucking Alaska, though. You need it. Have you ever been in the summer?

Hell yeah. It's awesome, right? Yeah. Many we would hunt we would bear hunt until i used to go with roy almost every year we'd bear hunt until god i want to think one in the morning it would go we'd go back eat and then go fishing at like three in the morning it was like dark for an hour then we'd go fishing then we'd start baiting again then we'd hunt that night then we'd do the same thing no sleep which part of alaska we were uh it's like the susitna river so it's just north or south central basically okay it's just i've been up there a few times been up to like Seward. Yeah. Seward and then up, I think, north where they do like salmon fishing.

Yeah. And it's where the commercial guys will come in and they'll, it's like they net them. Yeah. But they'll, you know, the tides get so low and stuff. They'll do like, they'll drive on the beach with these amphibious boats. Yeah. It's crazy. And they'll like lay the net and stuff.

It really is the last frontier up there. Oh, yeah. It really is. It's amazing. Yeah they'll like lay the net and stuff. It really is the last frontier up there. Oh yeah. It really is. It's amazing. Yeah. Too cold though. Too cold. How dare you. How dare you San Diego. Yeah. I'm a total pussy when it comes to weather. Well you lived in Hawaii and now you live in San Diego. It's like come on man. You're in paradise

both times. You know. You can get anywhere now right? San Diego is one of those places where people in San Diego don't want you telling people how good San Diego is. Like, shh. They're mad at me. There's a thousand people screaming right now going, shut the fuck up.

Well, the traffic already sucks. It's way worse now than it used to be in San Diego. It used to be way easier to get around. It's good skydiving. I have jumped down there on the border uh like alcohol in this area where was i there's like some lake there's an olympic training center out there do you know where that is no oh i can't remember what the lake was but people don't realize about san diego too is like it's a lot of ranch land uh yeah you know i mean it's obviously

the coastal area is just a little sliver yeah and. And then you go east and you're right in Rancho Santa Fe in five minutes. Yeah. It's just beautiful. Orange, old California. You know, tons of ranch land, people riding horses. Goldberg's got a ranch out there. Oh, really? Goldberg the wrestler.

Oh. Yeah. He's got some badass place out there. He keeps his muscle cars. I thought Mike Goldberg. No. Mike Goldberg lives in Phoenix. My boys, when we were watching UFC the other night, they were like, bring Goldberg back.

A lot of people want to bring him back. We miss Goldberg. There was a survey someone did online where it was like, keep John Anik, me, and Dominic Cruz was A, and then Goldberg was B, and it was like 90% B. Yeah. Yeah. I sent it to the UFC. Did you? Yeah. What do you think of this? What do you think of that? I don't know, man. You know, I get it. People want changed,

especially if they own it. You know, you pay 4 billion bucks for something. Put your signature on something. I guess you want to change the color of the car. I bought a new car. It cost me $4 billion. I'm going to make it red. I always wanted it red. Are you going to I was gonna say a fishnay, but you're not gonna marry them. Are you gonna commentate the That fight if you if I mean would you be the frontrunner to be one of the commentators if they do the McGregor Mayweather fight Most likely no because it's a boxing match. Yeah, most likely Most likely, I'll be here watching it on the screen. I can't wait for it, though, if it happens.

I mean, I just don't think so. I think it's that I'm not a boxing commentator. I know a lot about boxing. Followed boxing since I was a kid. And I've commentated on kickboxing bouts before, but I've never commentated on a boxing fight before. It would be kind of cool, cool though if they had two guys from the boxing world and you because

they're two worlds. They always have Jim Lampley. Isn't that who they always have? And Max Kellerman who I really love. Oh yeah, Max. I love that guy. I would be happy to do a pay-per-view with Max Kellerman. I think it'd be fun. I'm a big fan of that dude.

It'd be a different perspective just because with McGregor coming out of the UFC. Or Paulie Malignaggi. He's another one. I really respect that guy a lot, too. He's a great commentator and world champion boxer. Yeah. Yeah, it would be maybe. I mean, but most likely no.

Most likely. I just do. I'm doing less and less of those. I just do 10 a year now. The most I've ever done, I think it was up to like 24 a year.. I just, uh, I do 10 a year now. I would use the most I'd ever done. I think it was up to like 24 a year. It was just too much, man.

You don't, you don't, you're not doing them all now. You're no international pay-per-view anymore. You just said, I'm done. I'm only doing domestic. No Fox ones anymore. Like all those big Fox shows.

Yeah. I can cut all those out. All I do now is domestic pay-per-view. That's it. Gotcha. So it's about 10, 10 a year. Yeah. The international men out. All I do now is domestic pay-per-view. That's it. Gotcha. So it's about 10, 10 a year. Yeah, the international, man, that's just crazy. Oh, fuck that.

We had fun, though. We went to Rio and watched Rwanda. Yeah. That was fun. That was cool. Yeah, Cam came with me down when she fought Betch Cohea in Rio and starched her in the first round. 34 seconds.

It was a good time. It was fun, but you remember how sketchy it was. Yeah. And we were driving around a bulletproof car. We got an armed guard with us everywhere. Yeah. Wow. It It was a good time. It was fun, but you remember how sketchy it was. We were driving around in a bulletproof car. We've got an armed guard with us everywhere. It's fucking, you know. I've been down there. I didn't have any of that.

You must be pretty big down there. I'm very important. I think it's really important. I thought it was for me. It could have been. They're big Bond fans. Yeah. And they know that you don't pack a piece, so they're like, okay, well.

I was down there with Giselle, and she was taking helicopters around to get around. That was a- That's the way to do it? Yeah, that was the way. We were in Sao Paulo, actually. Oh, okay. To avoid being carjacked? Is that why she took helicopters?

No, I think it was just, I mean, I imagine there's some, maybe I have no idea, but I think it was just to avoid traffic. Yeah, there's a lot of traffic in Sao Paulo. The traffic is terrible. I mean, even where we were, the traffic was terrible. There just to avoid traffic. Yeah, there's a lot of traffic. The traffic is terrible. I mean, even where we were, the traffic was terrible. There was like one road. Well, that's Rio. Yeah, we were by the beach.

That was a problem. Remember when we got to the fight, it took forever to get to the fight. They were like, you have to leave three hours early. We're like, what? Yeah. And then you get in the car, you're like, oh, I get it. That was, while it was going on, I was, well, we were talking to Dana Lash on the phone. Yeah.

Because it was right when Cecil the Bear was happening. The lion. Cecil the Bear was happening. The lion. Oh, excuse me. I was reading about it in a TV show. About Cecil the Kangaroo. Yeah, that was that thing was going down, man. I remember that. That was at the time.

But yeah, that was the last time I went to Brazil. I've been to Brazil five times. I love it. I love the Brazilians. I love the food down there. It to Brazil. I've been to Brazil five times. I love it. I love the Brazilians. I love the food down there. It's fun. It's great and everything like that. We were going to go see Christ the Redeemer.

That was our goal, to go do that. Do you know what a process that is to go see that thing? No, really? Oh, my God. It takes forever. It was like a whole day. You have to take buses halfway, then other buses. It's just like you could not just go up there

I mean it's better just getting a helicopter it's a pretty dope statue though I wanted to be there so we got one from afar we had it in the

background and we were like it's pretty cool though I'd like to fly it I'm a pilot I'm a helicopter pilot no kidding yeah

and so I'd like to I'd like to fly that that's kind of you know for pilots it's kind of like oh that's a. And so I'd like to fly that. That's kind of like, you know, for pilots, it's kind of like, oh, that's a bucket list place. I'd love to fly. Circle that. Yeah, other places.

Now, how does that work? If you have a license in America and you want to fly in Brazil, obviously you can't fly a helicopter all the way to Brazil. No. How far can a helicopter fly? Like, what's the longest distance? Well, it really just depends on what helicopter you're talking about and how many people you're, you're with. So there's a lot of people, the furthest travel, the helicopters ever gone. Well, that's probably a Blackhawk. I would imagine

they have a dual engines and they have, you know, they're, you know, $11 million or $20 million helicopter, whatever it is. It's got, fuel tanks that a civilian helicopter can't go. So I wouldn't know the answer. Find out, Jamie. How far is a blackout? I'm going to guess. Let's guess. Okay.

How far do you think they're – I bet they can fly for 12 hours. No way. No way? That's a long time. I don't think so. I think that was in engineering. How dare both of you. I'm going to say 300 miles. What?'t think so. I think I was going to say like- American engineering. How dare both of you? I'm going to say 300 miles.

What? Yeah. That's it? I'm going to say that's- What if someone's chasing them? They're almost out of gas. That's a complete guess. I have no idea.

I would go on Cameron's side. I'm saying across the ocean three times. No. No, not even close. If you're saying 12 hours, how fast do they go? Well, it depends. If you're in a piston helicopter or if you're in a turbine helicopter. Like a Blackhawk.

What's the difference? Well, a piston helicopter is like a piston engine. Like a car engine. Yeah, but it uses your blades in the same sort of fashion. in the same sort of fashion, but speed on like a 44, you know, like 130 knots, I think is your VNE,

which is your do not exceed. 2,000 miles. Huh. What? Distance without landing, 2,213 miles. This is Wikipedia again? Hey, how dare you? How dare you? I see where you get your information from.

Oh, that's a small helicopter. That's an MD-500. That's not a Blackhawk. That's not a Blackhawk. Oh, see, I was talking about that. But that's not, I don't think that's right. I don't think that's right. That's not right there.

What do you mean it's not right? It's on Wikipedia. We already discussed this. Anyone can edit this. Of course it's right. If it was wrong, they would have corrected it. So 400 miles, or no, 250 miles per hour. That one goes.

That's pretty amazing. And that's a record. Yeah. But let's find out what, see if you can Google a Blackhawk. Google Blackhawk helicopter, what would you Google? Long distance. Distance capability. Distance capability or something.

Distance. Let's see. 276 miles. Wowance capability or something. Hmm. Distance. Let's see. 276 miles. Wow, that's a lot different. Hey. Nautical miles. Yeah. 300.

That's 300. How's a nautical mile? 151 miles shorter than other similar rotated aircrafts. Maximum altitude is 6,000 feet. Top speed, 151. So you see, they're pretty fast because, you know, a turbine helicopter, well, you can get some civilian ones. The MD-500s are pretty fast. you know a turbine helicopter well you can get some civilian ones the md500 is what is that in when you say knots what is that in like mile per hour 151 knots what is knots of miles per hour i would have to check why do they say nautical

miles too what is nautical miles are longer than than so it's pretty close. 1.15. Okay, so it's 1.1 mile per hour for every one mile an hour, a knot to a mile. So it's more than 150 miles an hour. 300? Or wait. Yeah. I thought it was 200 and some.

It said 150 knots, didn't it? 150 knots. Yeah, so it's 1.1 to each. No, 276. What's that? 151 knots. Top speed comes at 151 knots. 261 nautical miles.

That's the distance. Yeah. I typed in distance, and that's the first answer. So it can fly. Oh, I see. So was the last one knots or miles? You just Googled the second thing. The last thing was just how it was knots to miles.

Yeah, it's just knots to miles. Knots to miles, but not nautical miles. Right. It's the same thing, though. Oh, it is? One nautical mile yeah it's just uh with knots to miles but not nautical miles right okay it's the same thing though not one mile per hour that's what a knot is it's a nautical mile per hour oh okay so the speed of knots is the same as nautical miles oh okay yeah oh how interesting so wonder why they don't just use miles why fucking confuse the shit out of everybody that's a hey it's the same thing with the standard metric system did you know that a knot in a How interesting. I wonder why they don't just use miles. Why fucking confuse the shit out of everybody? Hey, it's the same thing with- It's the standard metric system. Did you know that a knot and a nautical mile were the same thing?

I just learned that. I didn't know that. But it's just like Adam putting up Celsius for temperature. Oh, Adam Green Tree? Yeah. He lives in Australia. I know. I just say nobody knows what Celsius is.

Should he put up American dollars too just for Instagram? Yes. What do you do with that stupid green money? Your money's the wrong color. Sorry, mate. Yeah, it's weird when you go down there too because everybody looks normal. And they start driving on the left-hand side of the road. Yeah.

And they talk weird. And the steering wheel's on the wrong side. It's all fucked up. They don't know what they're doing. So they're not normal. But they are great people. I was just down there for six months and I really do like the Australian people. That's the second place I'd

live other than America. 100%. Number one is Canada. I'd move to Canada first. You would? Yeah, if shit went down. To kill bear? To kill fucking everything up there. Moose. Like, I think, it's the nicest people in the world. I think Canadians are the nicest people on earth. They're sorry. They're always sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. What's it all about? So that's like the place I'd live first other than America. Number two is Australia. It's a close second too. Especially Melbourne. I fucking love Melbourne. Such a great city. I love both of them. They're both awesome, but Melbourne. I just had a great

time in Melbourne. The amazing food, the shows we did were amazing. It's just such a great time in Melbourne. The amazing food, the shows we did were amazing. It was just such a great time. Yeah. I really like Sydney. The whole country, man. It's just great. And it's got so much more open space.

Yeah. It's just huge. Yeah. It's huge for the amount of people they have there. Less people than in the greater Los Angeles area, and the entire country is the size of the United States. Yeah, it's crazy. That's awesome. That's crazy. That's a lot of country there. Los Angeles area and the entire country is the size of the United States. Yeah. It's crazy. That's awesome.

It's crazy. That's a lot of country though. That's one of the reasons why they're so nice. I do hear though that there, there's a lot of interesting stuff happening in the desert out there with like nuclear waste that they're allowing them to dump out there. Oh, they're trying to make some Godzilla type shit.

That's what they're doing. That's what I would do. Let's see what happens. There's some spots out there with nothing but spiders and crocodiles. Throw some uranium out there. There's some stuff out there that can kill you, for sure. Everything out there can kill you. You know, right?

He's going. He's headed down there soon. I'm super jealous. He's going to do 18 days hunting water buffaloes and kangaroos and shit. That's crazy. Are you going to shoot a kangaroo? No. Are you allowed to? Are you allowed to hunt kangaroos? I don't think. Yeah, you are. You are kangaroos shit. You gonna shoot a kangaroo. No it allowed to allow to hunt kangaroos Yeah, you are you are done. Can you yeah, you say so kangaroo meat jerky and so okay?

It's what tastes good. It's both tastes like venison. What what movie were you doing there? I was shooting a Pacific Rim Oh, you did that. Yeah, how was that? It was cool It was like the you know, you're creating a Godzilla monster type thing. That's a crazy movie, right? How do you act when it's like CGI? What is that like? I guess I don't know what it is. What is it?

Pacific Rim's a monster movie. Oh, is it? Pacific Rim's a monster movie. Some shit grows in the ground and comes out and fucks everybody up. It's kind of like the dinosaurs, but in the future. It's like the dinosaurs came back. Wow. Yeah.

It's kind of cool. It's a very the future. It's like the dinosaurs came back. Wow. Yeah. It's kind of cool. It's a very cool concept. Cam's a no-nonsense guy. You throw Godzilla past him, his eyes roll back in his head. It's like, bitch, I ran 205 miles. I got no time for fucking monsters. I got no time for monsters. I'm a bow hunter.

I got no time for fake monsters. I got bears. That's what I told Scott yesterday. He's like, you know a lot about a lot. I said, I know sort know a lot about a lot. I said I know Oh Sort of a lot about two things running running in bowhunting Anything else? I don't know I know a lot. I know a lot about two things. I know

Enough to pretend I know a lot about everything else Yeah, I see about martial arts or comedy I can give you some long ass answers and i know what the fuck i'm talking about yeah but you get into other area i'm like hmm i better google i just need jamie to follow me around exactly dude no one's better jamie than pulling shit up but you're in the middle of going wait a minute is that right and then all of a sudden boink pops up on the screen yeah yeah yeah Yeah, see, that's an invaluable resource. That makes me look so much smarter than I really am. There's no way you can know everything about everything.

And anybody who claims to is an asshole. This is just, it's not possible. Well, how much information can your brain even take, right? I mean, they say some, I've heard several times now that you're only supposed to be able to really recognize 150 people. Yeah. Right? Something like that where it's-

Yeah, they think you can have relationships with 150 people. Right. Which is a lot of guys are super psyched about that. They're like, yes, we got this one thing. Woo, 150. This is great. Yeah, it's called Dunbar's number. Yeah.

Dunbar's number, you keep 150 people in your head that we have friendships with. It's very strange. The idea is that our brain was designed to absorb the names and faces of people that are in our tribe. And then when tribes get over 150 people, they're essentially unmanageable. I believe it. I believe it, too. I think it goes back to what we were talking about when we were saying that people aren't designed for cities. I believe it too.

I think it goes back to what we're talking about when we're saying that people aren't designed for cities. They're not designed for this life and for televisions and lights that you just switch on and off. That we're really designed to. It's the reason why you feel so content when you're in the mountains. Right. Your body's designed for that. Literally. Yeah. Yeah.

And for hunting. Yeah. Sorry, anti-hunting psychos. Poor people. I hate the city. The anti-hunting people, they get, they just, they get food easy. You know, it's easy to get food. If it wasn't, they would turn.

They would fucking all, listen to me, you fucks. All of you, you would shoot a rabbit right in the face if you were starving and your kids were crying. Guaranteed. If it gets ugly, if it all gets ugly, you become a predator. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Because animals are going to hunt you too, fuckface. Guess what?

You're out there in the woods by yourself and you're making a lean-to and you have to fight the coyote that's trying to drag your kid off in the middle of the night. Yeah, that coyote gets roasted over an open fire. Yeah, with a big smile on your face. It happens. Yeah. Brendan put up a picture of the grizzly I killed up on his page yesterday. Oh, my God. The tsunami of butthurt. He had to on his page yesterday. Oh, my God. The tsunami of butt hurt.

He had to text me and tell me, sorry about all the hate. And I'm like, I said, dude, I just told him, hey, you got to take the good with the bad. I said, this is all part of the deal. It's interesting that people, you know, they don't understand. Like, here's my favorite one ever. When you were talking about bear hunting and like you were saying saying you know that the bear populations have to be controlled and the woman on the show was like that's because you've killed off all their predators like yeah what are you talking about dinosaurs bitch yeah what the hell is killing a grizzly bear are you crazy the only

thing that kills grizzly bears is other grizzly bears yeah unless you want to have a grizzly bear cannibal apocalypse going on up there you you've got to control their numbers. Yeah, I know. And I told Brendan that, too. I said, listen, these people just don't realize that if the grizzlies, the brown bears up there where you can kill two a year because there's so many of them, that if we didn't control them, there'd be no moose. There'd be no deer. There'd be no a lot of animals. Especially the moose.

They just focus on those moose when the calves are dropping. There'd be no, a lot of animals. Especially the moose. They just focus on those moose when the calves are dropping. And so those follow the pregnant, you know, female around and eat the calf when it drops. And without us controlling them, those would be gone. Yeah, 100%. So like similar with, you know, I don't know exactly the numbers or anything about great white sharks, right? Like everyone's protected those for so long that then like that will start screwing up the cycle.

Because then the tuna population, because we're taking all the tuna population. Everyone's so psycho over tuna and raw fish, right? And we're protecting all the great white sharks and some of the other sharks. We've just completely off balance the situation because that's what they eat i'm sure well anytime people intervene in the natural world and step in and like a big one thing and not the others well we have to intervene sometimes i mean we have we get it animals they just don't manage themselves what i mean by intervene is like what they did in Australia, where they brought over feral cats to control the rats and rabbits.

And then they started eating the ground-nesting birds. So they bring in foxes to try to kill the cats. And then the foxes kill everything but the cats. And like, Jesus Christ. So why did they bring the cats in? It's a long story, but they brought in rabbits in Australia, and the rabbit population got out of control. And then they brought in cats to deal with the rabbits, but the cats didn't just eat the rabbits. They also started decimating the ground-nesting birds and all the other local rodents.

And then they brought in other things to deal with the cats. And now hunters are, like, Australia's weird. They're hunting magazines. Water buffalo are not from there. That's they're from asia everything in australia all the stags and crocodiles i haven't heard right they're like some of the big american crocodile were i'm not sure about that what no i think they're from australia i don't know about that those saltwater crocs are huge yeah they're a bigger maybe i'm thinking alligator. I'm thinking alligator. The American alligator. Over there?

Do they have alligators in Australia? I believe so. I don't know. I don't know. They're red in the... I'm not sure about that. But I do know that they show cats in their hunting magazines. Yeah.

In their hunting magazines, dudes hold up cats like, I got one, mate. Yeah. And they think it's cool. But it's the same as in America. If you killed a coyote that's killing all the neighborhood pets people would like shoot it with a bow and arrow and take a picture of it and they'd be happy yeah good you got that fucking kitty cat eating coyote but that's how these people are in australia with the cats it's all just culturally relative it is it's it's no different

when we were there last time i was there had this big uh white stallion uh a brombie is what they it's just a horse yep you know coming and uh you know adam's telling me he's like oh man that's that's a trophy you should you should kill that thing i'm like what i can't kill a freaking horse dude and it's like but it's a brombie i mean so that's and it was by itself was it looked awesome and It comes all the way up. I'm praying it would go somewhere else. Now it comes 20 yards. Wow.

I couldn't do it. Good for you. That's just because, you know, where we grow up, where we live. Show your condition to horses. To them, that's just, you know, that's something to hunt. It's me. Well, I ate at Joe Beef in Montreal, the restaurant. It's a great restaurant in Montreal, and they serve horse.

They had horse loin, and they also served horse tartare. So it was like raw horse and horse loin, and we were like, ooh. Because it's an amazing restaurant, but they're super creative with their dishes. And both times I was there, they gave us horse. No, I can't do horse. I like horses. It was one of the biggest problems we ever had on Fear Factor. We made people eat horse rectum.

No way. Yes. I remember that. Oh, my God. I remember that show, but I don't remember horse rectum. Yeah, it was huge. People were furious. I'm not so sure it was.

And that was the stop. Because it was horse. Not because it was rectum, because it was because it not because his rectum because his horse Yeah, yeah, pig rectum was fine. Not a peep out of people Nobody said a damn thing but horse rectum is a huge issue. Hey, you want to cause more problems. How about bear rectum? Yeah, you wouldn't want that no No, why is horse better? No did't know Did that show Did that show Just

Fizzle out Because you wanted You were done with it Or was it No it fizzled out The first time Because it just did 148 episodes

And it was just Enough was enough And it never really Got cancelled We just kind of Stopped doing it Yeah And everybody was done

Let's just fucking stop And we walked away from it And then Several years later It came back And we did six episodes And it was cancelled Because we made people drink cum what made them drink donkey donkey cum and donkey urine oh my nobody had a problem with the urine oddly enough

really it's like relatively normal comparison to the cum but that was it. TMZ got a hold of some of the photos, some leaked photos of the donkey cum episode and put it up there. What did you call it? I do not remember. I think it said sperm. I think we said sperm or semen or whatever the fuck it said. That's disgusting. Yeah.

And that was the people in the studio. Enough! But people did it, right? Oh, yeah. All people. That was it. Enough. But people did it, right? Oh, yeah. All three of them did it. All three of them did it. Yeah, it was enough. You got to get out of here, don't you?

You got to go to Conan. Yeah. You leaving soon? Yeah. Pretty soon. All right. When does, let's get away from drinking cum. Thank you.

This is troubling. Even to me. I'm one of the very few people in Hollywood or anywhere in the world that can say, I lost a job because people had a drink cum on TV. Yeah, that's true. That's true. What's hilarious is that NBC said yes to it. That was all signed off. That got passed through whatever.

QC. QC. Yeah. Quality control. Yeah, it looks good. A lot of people, a lot of, you know, a lot of certain, you know, genders drink cum all the time. Both.

Both genders. That's on my- Who the people are. I thought we were switching- I wanted to. He brought me back in. I saw you. Clint Eastwood's kid.

You lobbed it up. Yeah. The fate of the furious. April 14th. That's when it comes out. April 14th. It's it comes out April 14th This Friday Are Vin Diesel

And The Rock At odds in this photo I can't tell It seems like There perhaps Could be some tension Was that fake news That I read

Or was that real Yeah It's all It's all just Don't believe Don't believe Anything you read On the internet

Including Wikipedia I heard there's Some real issues Those two The two alphas Colliding On the set And Vin Diesel

Wouldn't take off His sunglasses even at night It was so strange. Yeah Fucking dope cars though man did so he took off his necklace. I'll pay attention to that What kind of cars they have in this episode? Oh? That's not a charger with the flared fenders. Yeah, you got like sort of soup Charger that sucker was on display somewhere, right? That charger?

Is it on display somewhere? It might have been. I mean, it's one of the hero cars in the film. It's a fucking insane car. Like, that's, oh, my God. That's pretty sexy, right? That looks good. Yeah.

That looks amazing. There's something about those American cars from the late 60s, early 70s. You just can't get anything like that. Sexy. God, they're amazing that one's got a custom grill too look at that grill on that sucker whoa no ram truck huh no no cam's a fan of the ram trucks it's okay i like you like those yeah i do too but they they just don't there's something about you know you can't get a ram truck with a supercharger popping out of the hood like

that sure big old blower. See, look, they're fighting. Oh, no, that's Jason Statham. Never mind. Oh, Jason Statham's fighting who? Rock. I don't think that's the Rock. Yeah, it is.

That's the Rock. Why is he so brown? Well, he's... They pretend he's black? He's got baby oil on. So it is. Jason Statham, I would have to pull him aside and go, hey, run. Yeah.

Look at me. Look at me. Run. Run the other way. But he he's fights right yeah He's got a martial arts background sure legit. Yeah. Yeah, Jason Zayden can fight for sure, but still run Hey look at that rocks fucking look at that thing. I bastard Jesus Chris features on that guy Young Clint Eastwood you hey, how dare you do the high cheekbones? young Clint Eastwood fuck you hey how dare you

give me a compliment give me a compliment he's a handsome fella I don't understand why he's so upset he's angry a lot of those Hollywood guys are angry

I don't know why it's like a oh so um what's next for you like what do you what do you got going on after this

anything scheduled I'm not I'm gonna take some time off I'm gonna see my father and bow hunt come on son I'm gonna get come to Hawaii Hawaii or something if you come to Hawaii Cam will go to Hawaii take some time off. I'm going to see my father. And bow hunt. Come on, son. I'm going to get a way I can get

to Hawaii or something. If you come to Hawaii, Cam will go to Hawaii. Come on. Bring the girlfriend. He's going to go kill bears. No, no, no. I'm not going to do that. Don't say that in life. Oh, is that what it is? I'm sorry. He's not. I meant he's not going to kill bears

under any circumstance. What he's going to do is shoot over their head and take a picture of it. No, he's going to try to scare them off so I can't kill them. Right? And let them know where the moose babies are. Right. All those cunty little moose babies that you love to eat. Go get them.

Go get them, nice, sweet, friendly bear. Go eat those bear, those babies, those moose babies. You don't need moose. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Would you not hunt bear because of the blowback? those bear those babies those moose babies you don't need moose yeah yeah um so yeah would you not hunt bear because of the blowback look uh hunting anything i'll eat you know i never say never um but um i eat bear yeah you can eat bear sausage is good man i'm telling you like black bear in particular yeah people say it doesn't taste good. Hey, we have some.

You shoot it, you eat it. Up there with the rivets, we have some amazing bear meat dishes. I mean, it's like you'd think it was the best steak ever. I bet. The stir fry that Jen makes, that stir fry is amazing. Yeah. Sausages. I have a bear summer sausage that's amazing.

Bear regular sausage, Italian sweet sausage and bear. It's fucking good, man. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. And people just are, you know. He's not buying it. Look at him. No, I'm.

He's like, I'm not shooting a bear, bitch. That's, wait till this goes. The publicist is losing her mind somewhere. Wait till we're off air. Yeah. Wait till we're off air. Yeah. But is that why? Because you would hunt anything to eat and you wouldn't hunt that because you wouldn't eat it Well, no, I just I never had bear. Yeah, maybe it's you know, I mean I'll smear bear sausage

I'll say shit. I'll give you some for real. It really is good man And it's um the thing is it's also an important tool for conservation because they really do need to keep those populations down Especially Alberta. Yeah. Tons of bear up there. People think that like, I go outside, I don't see any bear. Bear populations are so diminished because you're not where they are. If you go where they are, they're goddamn everywhere.

That's what I said. I go, yeah, you're not going to see a grizzly at Starbucks, but you know, hey, go up to Alaska. You're going to see plenty. And they need to be managed. Jamie played that video of that guy that's sitting. He's a photographer. And he's by a river. Yeah.

And the bear wanders up to him. Yeah. And then they pan out to the rest of the river. And you see like a dozen grizzlies wandering through this river jacking all these salmon. Yeah. That, yeah. First of all, what the fuck? Yeah.

Imagine you're sitting there. This thing just pulls up within 15 feet of you Like you are only alive because it chooses not to eat you because it's got a belly full of salmon So this guy is sitting there this bear just he has to chase it off. He has to yell at it I mean it's feet away from him and easily a thousand pounds. It's an enormous bear, right? Yeah, and if it if we do that, right? It's easily 1,000 pounds. It's an enormous bear, right?

Yeah. And look at that. Right. If it decides to kill you, I mean, it's not like you can look at a bear and tell. It's not like a dog with a wagging tail. I mean, you don't know. That bear could think, I just don't feel like killing you. Next time, okay, yeah, I'll kill you.

I mean, there's no difference. Our big bear family, best buddies. People are crazy. People see this stuff and they think, you know. Bears are our friends. Yeah. Bear family. Best buddies. People are crazy. People see this stuff and they think, you know. Bears are our friends. Yeah. Well, that's the one guy who got up there. Look at how many of them. It was the bear guy who got up there.

It was Treadway, right? The grizzly man. He finally got up there. Treadway. Yeah, Timothy Treadwell. Did you ever see that documentary? The grizzly man? Yeah.

Yeah. Amazing. Anybody listen to this who hasn't seen it, this is what you do. You smoke some of that devil's cabbage and you sit in front of the old Netflix and you watch Grizzly Man because it is a goddamn unintentional comedy. Yeah. Unintentional. It really is.

It's an unintentional comedy. There's so many comedic beats in that movie. I was supposed to interview Werner Herzog. He was on a tour last summer, and his past didn't work out, and we never wound up doing the podcast together, but that was the first thing I was going to ask him. I was like, come on, did you intentionally put comedic beats into that movie because this is one part where like there's a sheriff he goes i thought he was retarded i remember that i thought i was in the theater falling down laughing he thought he was retarded because after the guy

got eaten by the bear because he was up there like way when you're supposed to be up there, too Yeah, he was out there pass his friends. Yeah, they were friends. Yeah. There's one scene. This is mrs. Chocolate Oh, this is her poop. It's right here. This came out of her butt. I'm like picking it up He's like it's still warm. It's still warm because it was inside of her and that's just a good example of The bear might not kill you just because they don't feel like it. But when they feel like it, it's over. It's over, bitch. Not a goddamn thing you're going to do about that. Not a goddamn thing.

They're a wild animal. It's just like it's even the bears that we hunt up in Alberta. I mean, you don't know. I mean, they could decide they're wild animals. There's all different kinds. There's aggressive bears. There's shy bears. There's bears that you can't really get a read on. But's just like a dog i mean you don't know there's they're good and bad bears so it's just the wrong one yeah they're like all animals have

different personalities like cats dogs domestic animals have weird personalities wild animals do too it's just most of them can't kill you but bears can so i mean that's that's the difference yeah so you're not interested in that. What about eagles? Ever interested in cooking up an eagle? Some eagle balls. Eagles on a spit. Give me some eagle balls.

Rotisserie eagle. Nothing like a pair of eagle balls. Do eagles have balls? I know that they're male and female, but do they have testicles? Look that up. That's important. That's important. Is there a bucket list hunt that you'd like to go on

like maybe an elk hunt in the Rocky Mountains yeah that'd be awesome tag along and do one of those if I can

yeah there's well you know if you ever do get to Australia like they have stag over there that are a lot like like elk and they roar you ever heard them roar

oh dude they sound like a lion have you heard it in real life no stag roars no they're like they roar. You ever heard them roar? Oh, dude, they sound like a lion. Have you heard it in real life? No, I haven't. Stag roars? No. They're like, roar. They roar.

It's a crazy sound. Jamie will find it for us. We've had some good elk hunts, Joe and I. We have. Yeah. There's an elk back there. I'll show you in the back that we got just this past fall. Fucking huge thing.

Yeah. Oh, my God. It was so awesome. Massive, massive animal. And I've got food back there if you want some. You want some elk? I'll give you some.

Sure. Take it with you. Hell yeah. Because you're headed back tonight, right? Yeah. Yeah, after Conan. We've got to go do that.

Is that a stag? No. No, it's a rock elk bugling. We've heard that before. But go see Red Stag Roar. Google Red Stag. There it is. Yeah, listen to this thing.

It's crazy. Look at his face, first it is. Yeah, listen to this thing. It's crazy Look at his face first of all look at those goddamn antlers Guarantee to that's high fence What Dick yeah, it's already flopping. Yeah, he's horny. Just flopping. Look at that rocket. A big ol' red lipstick rocket. Imagine if men did that. Ladies, you're so lucky. Is he bringing in the female?

He's trying to calm them. See that quartering too? My Hoyt Turbo would pound right through that shoulder. We'd take that shot. We'd take that shot. Would you take that shot? Now, where would you go? Right through the shoulder? Point to the spot. Right there. Just right through it. Yeah, it would go right through it. Cam's shooting the most ridiculously powerful setup we were practicing today. And it's just so evident that these heavy arrows, so much momentum're at 687 grains is that what that is yep yep which is by the way you know we were talking grams before

and we meant to say grains and then we're converting grams to marijuana and calculations just don't mix we were doing this a long time ago on a podcast and then i was driving home and i was like jesus christ do we say grams when i meant grains and then we're trying to figure out how many grams were in an ounce and they were determining that it was a pound like four five hundred grams is like a pound okay I'm like but an arrow's not a pound like whatever and we just kept talking about something else and then it took me a while to like figure it out it's like saying i was reading a podcast yeah but um his setup is just preposterous it's unbelievable horsepower today man yeah shooting good hitting hard that thing is pretty cool no if you're ever right no no it can't be 80 it's not possible we'll talk

later we'll talk later that's a trade secret engineers oh oh um oh yeah yeah i remember you told me okay yeah, okay, yeah. We'll talk later. But, yeah, we have our buddy Adam that we were talking about before that lives in Australia. And when Cam goes over there, you're going to be hunting stag over there, right? Yeah. Stag, buffalo, and fallow. And stag's just like an elk.

I mean, it's essentially a real similar animal. A little smaller. Yeah. But, I mean, it's that right there. Buffalo, though. The buffalo. There's a video of him over there hunting a water buffalo

from 40 yards and he's creeping up. See if you find that video. It's one of my favorites. Did you ever read that book The Last American Buffalo? Ronella's book. Yeah.

You know, I've read part of it. I haven't finished it but I started it and then I put it down and I never went back to it. As you get, it's sort of the first half

is a little funky. It's clunky. It's a bit of shitty writing. Is that what you're saying? I'll call Steve right now. half is a little funky. It's clunky. Shitty writing? Is that what you're saying? I'll call Steve right now. I did not say that. You know, Clint Eastwood kid thinks you're a cunt. Hey, he was talking all kinds of shit about it.

What I mean is, you know, the later half I really enjoy. He likes to talk about drinking jizz. That's all I know. Yeah. Yeah. He wouldn't shut up. He brought it back. Yeah, he wouldn't shut up about that.

I drank some elk jizz. We had moved up. He brought it back. Yeah, he wouldn't shut up about that. He drank some elk juice. We had moved on. He insisted on. He said something about Vin Diesel sunglasses. It was one time, one time. He doesn't like LA. He lives in San Diego. So this is Cam sneaking up on this water buffalo.

And every time it picks up its eyes or it might have caught movement, he has to pause. So this is like a ridiculously slow trek i think i'm i'm i think it's still a little bit before i shoot yeah no no no it's getting closer so i got my range finder there so i can quickly get it because i'm getting closer every time cam what do you think about range-finding binos? Stop, head up, don't move. Don't move at all. If it's coming at you, do you hide behind that little tree? What do you do? I just wrestle it down.

Oh, like a man. Grab it by that rock and give it what it needs. You had it on your podcast. Yeah. Take down a wolf. What was that guy? Oh, Dampania? Dampania.

Yeah, he would just stab it in the dick over and over again. Stab it right in the dick. So he's creeping up. Kim, what are your thoughts on range-finding binos? Do you ever use those? I don't have any. Would you? I mean, I know there's some companies that make some that bow hunters use, like Leica.

Leica has one that apparently has a button on the right-hand side so you can range and shoot with one hand. This is Adam. I don't know what he's filming. I saw Chipm's filming yeah mate that chipmunk would be a trophy here's here's some here's a good uh illustration of having i don't know i don't know what i'm trying to promote here but a hard hitting arrow because if you watch when i shoot this buffalo the arrow arcs up and actually hits the branch and ricochets and still kills that buffalo wow watch this it's gonna hit i think it's this right here it's gonna ricochet off that and still kill this big bastard wow it's sort of deceptive here how many yards are you out it's gonna be like 40 yeah it looks like it's like 10 feet in front of him right yeah Yeah, you can because it's fucking huge just get a little big yeah, yeah, yeah, we bit loud

Okay back up back up because it looks like you already shot it yeah back up back up yeah back up Great here. Okay watch this See that kind of touched it almost. It hit that. Just barely grazed it. Yeah, but it affected the flight, but still went and pounded in here. And that's right where you want to, that's right into the heart. That's where their heart is.

Do you think you would have got more penetration if it didn't graze that branch? Oh, yeah, for sure. But still, that was a 90-pound bow. Yeah, and it's going in 6 inches deep into the heart. Yeah, probably more than that because those are, I mean, that shoulder is. Right. I mean, it's in probably 18 inches. And that thing is like, what just happened to me?

No, it doesn't know. It just, it runs into that thing. What's really crazy is that Cam was saying that he chewed a piece of meat from that animal. It was so tough and so strong. You chewed it for a whole half hour, one piece? Yeah. Yeah, it was like shoe leather. Because this is an old bull.

It's a tank. These things are, I don't know, 1,800 pounds. So you have to shoot heavy stuff. So do you think you're going to be doing that from now on? You're going to be going to a heavier arrow? Or in the range, maybe? We'll see. See how this trip works?

Yeah. So how do we get you out? Scott, what do we do? How do we get you out there bow hunting with Cam? What's the animal? I'll go on a deer hunt for sure. I'll go on a deer hunt with you in Maui. Or wherever you're going in Hawaii, Lanai.

Can? Let's do it. Get Under Armour on board. We'll all wear the clothes and smile. Spring for the utility board. Could you fire me today immediately, please? Just quit. You've got to quit. They don't know you're probably here.

I'm at work right now. You're at work right now. Just punching in. Oh, you're screwed. All I have to do is a couple of tweets to help the power business. So we should do that, though, right? Yeah. We should all do that. It would punching in. Oh, you're screwed. All I have to do is a couple of tweets to help the power business. So we should do that, though, right? Yeah. We should all do that.

It would be fun. For sure. All right. Well, Fast and Furious 8, it's at April 18th is the premiere. Is that what it is? April 14th. April 14th. April 14th is the premiere.

I'm in charge of that. Listen, brother. It was really fucking cool talking to you, man. I really enjoyed it. It was fun. Cam, always a pleasure. Thank you. And we're going to go run, and I'm going to cry.

So enjoy Conan. you can watch Scott tonight We'll see you soon, bye