The Joe Rogan Experience - #957 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: May 9, 2017

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, “training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator.”

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7,800. It's getting fucking crazy in here. Cameron Haynes, fresh back from Australian Outback where he's out there wrestling. See those reflexes, folks? That was good. It didn't even hit the table. Didn't even come close. That's years of jujitsu.

Years of trying to keep people from choking me. Yeah. My instincts. They're a little too jumpy. That's the problem. Right. Too much quick movement. You've got to calm that shit down for choking me. Yeah. My instincts. They're a little too jumpy. That's the problem. Right. Too much quick movement. They've got to calm that shit down for bow hunting.

Oh. Right? For bow hunting. It's the opposite. You need the opposite. Nice and steady, baby. Yeah. See, bow hunting is pretty much the opposite way of thinking than jujitsu.

Because jujitsu, you've got to fucking. You've got to keep moving. You've got to constantly. You've got to constantly be protecting yourself and moving and trying to close the deal bow hunting is like steady yeah it is dude you're out there wrestling wallabies i heard yeah something like that jamie's ready to go jamie's he was saying that he was like i want to wrestle a fucking wallaby i don't think you do we saw a dead one and it has claws about that long do Do they really?

Yeah. I mean, so you can imagine. And their legs are just obviously bouncing all the time. Their legs have just got to be jacked in with those big claws. I mean, what I try to relate it to is, have you ever tried to hold down a cat, a house cat that doesn't want to be held down? I have, man. Right.

So they have little tiny claws. Imagine what a wallaby with those jacked legs and big claws could do. Plus, it's wild. Wouldn't be good. I used to have a wild cat. I had a feral cat. Is that a wallaby? Wow.

Cute little fella. Yeah, I know. Whoa. Look at the teeth. That's not real. Is that real? That's really his teeth? Jesus Christ.

Well, look at the claws on those things. I don't know if it'll show claws ever. I can't believe they have teeth like that. Yeah. See those front claws? What the hell does a wallaby eat i figured wallaby was like eating nuts and shit now i think they're murderers like babies so it looks like a little kangaroo yeah oh they have a kangaroo tail and the whole deal yeah yeah yeah they're just they're very similar to kangaroos was that a real teeth though i think so that wasn't photoshopped google google wallaby's

teeth because i just have a feeling that was bullshit i just looked like a vampire there i feel like they're like the ugly stepchild of kangaroos because they're kind of more hunched over i'm like damn we're losing viewers what crazy yeah we're top live but we're losing viewers like crazy. We're down to 5,900. We're dropping. Maybe I turn it towards me. Maybe that's a problem. Probably. It's turned towards Cam. Oh, oh, we're jumping back up.

Oh, see? Now we're up to 6,500. It is your page after all. Look at it. That can't be real. That's the one we're looking at right now is like vampire deer. I've seen those things before. Those vampire deer, that's seen those things before. Yeah.

Those vampire deer. That's a real thing, right? Those deer with those crazy fangs? I think so, yeah. It's real, but like, why do they have fangs like that? Like, why does... They're not predators. It's very strange. Did you see that they found, for the first time ever, a deer eating a human carcass?

A deer? Yeah. No, I didn't see that. Yeah, the scientist. See if you can pull that story up. It was yesterday. Oh. All right.

Folks, this is very distracting. Go to joerogan.live and you can see this whole thing. I would read this, but here's the thing about getting older, folks. Your fucking eyes start to go. Cameron Haynes' eyes are still excellent, though. Yeah. I got to tell you, this motherfucker can see shit. Yeah, I can read that.

He can see anything. Conspiracy theory. With the same age. With still excellent though. I gotta tell you, this motherfucker can see shit. He can see anything. Conspiracy theory. With the same age. With the same age. And his eyes, I don't know why my eyes suck. But my dick is getting bigger. I don't know what's going on with that either. Imagine. Tit for tat. People would trade in glasses for a bigger dick.

For sure. Show feet? What is that? People are so weird. i know some of the the people put they put weird comments just to get you to read them and he got me he got me this fuck all right folks uh i'm gonna shut this off and we're going to uh just have a podcast joe rogan dot live you can watch we're streaming on youtube until we make this big deal with uh twitch see ya bam and live video do i save it done nope didn't save it fuck it does it you can save them yeah there's a little thing up in the upper right hand corner but i i didn't i saw it right i was i was pressing and mid-press i'm just not like

what's the big deal you know don't know i't know, dude. So never before seen deer spotted eating human bones. Makes sense, though. Like, they would just think it's like calcium. Yeah. They don't know it's a bone. It's not like they're like, fuck these people. It's not like it's like finally deer's eating people. No.

But we've showed videos before of deer eating birds. Like, because they eat birds all the time. Oh, they do? Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Like literally actively going after birds. Like they're falling out of nests.

Really? The deer's like following it and the birds are trying to chase the deer off. And the deer's like, yeah, whatever. I'm eating that bird. Look at this. So this deer is the other birds. They're like, get out of there. Get out of there.

It's a button buck. He's got these little tiny nubs. And he's trying to get this ground nesting bird. He's going to go past that tree. And then the guy filming it. See the bird hopping around the ground. So it's a bird that fell out of a nest. Oh.

They don't have like the most. He's going to eat that? Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. It's kind of, he's chasing it. I mean, he's going after it on purpose. What a predator he is.

Look at the speed. The speed that deer shows. But it just shows you how opportunistic live animals are. Oh, yeah. Wild animals, like something in that deer's body tells it to eat that thing. Hey, there's no compassion out there for animals. No. Animal on animal.

Look at him. He's eating it. Oh, my. It's dark. Yeah. it's dark yeah that's the way it goes yeah life eats life it's just weird to see a deer for some reason eat a bird and do it on purpose like he's all excited it's like oh yeah this is great he's good there's a um some sort of wildlife thing uh they were doing some sort of a survey and they captured these birds with a net. They had this net set up in this area where these birds fly just so they could

capture these particular birds. But the deer kept eating the birds and they couldn't figure it out. They're like, what is going on here? And then they watched, they had a video of these deer walking up and picking them off the net and eating these birds while the birds were like, Jesus, I can't believe this is happening. Getting eaten by a deer. Yeah.

You don't see that every day. No. But I'm not surprised. Yeah. I'm not surprised either. I've seen cows do it too. There's videos of cows doing it. For the longest time, people didn't think that.

They thought that, you know, those are just herbivores. Yeah. But no, they're just, nature's just set them up to be super slow. But if something really delicious is in front of them. I thought it was an Eddie Bravo thing. Oh, it's a conspiracy? Yeah, he came up with it. No, it's not an Eddie Bravo conspiracy.

Eddie Bravo believes a lot of conspiracies, but he doesn't believe that. What is this one? Oh, what is that, an eagle jacking a bunny rabbit? Yeah, that's a deer. Oh, is it a little deer? Eagles are so ruthless. ruthless wow look at that bam we can do this all day folks you got back from the real wild man like where you were the instagram story so cameron haynes and our buddy adam green tree and a few other fellows were up

there in the north country of australia yeah and you guys took over the under armor hunt page and uh it was epic, man. The Under Armour hunt page, like the little Instagram stories. Yeah. I don't like Instagram stories. You know why? Because they're only 15 seconds

and they're little teases. I wanted you guys to be like live streaming from up there. Yeah. It would be nice, wouldn't it? But it was super cool where you guys were at. It was terrifying.

Yeah. You kept showing these brown snakes, these... Yeah. The second most deadly snake in the world. Yeah, that's what I'm told, yeah. You saw, like, how many of them? Four or five.

Yeah, but it only takes one. Yeah, and you're dead, right? Like, pretty much dead. Well, second most deadly, yeah, it doesn't sound good. That's not good. No, and then there's, you know, big old spiders and crocodiles. Yeah. You guys saw crocodiles?

Yeah. You even filmed crocodiles. Yeah. They were right where we were, you know, super. I mean, this is still not even their summer, but it's still very warm. I mean, where we were up Hunting Buffalo at the top end is what they call, which is out of Darwin. It was 90 to 100 degrees. there's some film yeah of uh now this is a freshwater crocodile which is not as big right not as big or as aggressive as a saltwater croc but could still definitely do damage and this was you know mere feet from where we were sleeping and this is the

where we'd go and take baths and uh or just kind of cool down during the heat of the day that's where he was right there and how big was that guy oh i don't know six eight seven eight feet something like that i mean you know he wasn't huge but he'd definitely do some damage and hold you did you guys see any of the saltwater ones while you're there no no so when you you're telling me about this uh one pond that was near you guys see any of the saltwater ones while you're there? No, no. So when you were telling me about this one pond that was near you guys where you saw eyes at night and you didn't know that was it. It was right there. So the first night we saw the one, just that one right there. We went over there and videoed him and and checked him out.

And then the next night, Adam went down there to the creek and it was only about maybe 15, 20 feet across, just small, just very shallow. And he looked down and said there was like six sets of eyes, red eyes, which is crocodile. So that was, you know, they'd moved in. Have you ever seen a live saltwater one in the wild? I think we did the last time i hunted there up but i'm trying to remember or maybe it was i think when we were flying yeah when we were flying we saw him oh we because so you have to take a flight from where adam lives adam lives near melbourne right sydney he lives near sydney new south wales and then you fly four and a half hours to where these water buffalo are.

Yeah. And then last time we used a helicopter to get out of Darwin, and that was four hours in the helicopter. Whoa. And so this time we had a helicopter, and so we flew the country to kind of look at it, and we saw some pretty big crocs from there on the river system. So how do you know where to stop when you're buffalo hunting? How do you know where to go? Well, I mean, basically it's however far you can walk. We were walking, I don't know, I want to say at least 10 miles a day.

10 to, I think, Adam and his guys one time, his camera guy, walked 18 miles one day. So we were always 10, 12, 13 miles a day. So we were just covering country. Jesus Christ. It was hard hunting up there right now because this is their wet season or the tail end of their wet season and so the foliage was was really grown up really thick so it was very hard to see the buffalo normally um later when we went it's all burnt up because of you know summer and so there's no foliage and uh you can see the buffalo from miles basically but with this grass

the grass is in some places eight feet tall. I mean, you'd have to be 50 yards away to see a buffalo, and they're 1,800 to 2,000 pounds. So it makes it hard to find them, and then it also makes it dangerous to trail them, you know, if you're blood trailing them or even if you just surprise one. You know, you surprise an animal that close, a wild wild animal like that and who knows how they're going to react yeah that's a huge animal yeah and and with that grass it just you know as you know adam and i did a and the camera guys we did a podcast up there and we were kind of talking about the challenges of the hunt and uh that was a big part of it is just not being able to see very much country. And so people never hunt buffalo this time of year.

This is like people say, why would you go? You're not going to, you know, nobody goes this time. When do they go? They go later in the year, you know, when there's not so much foliage. So they go like in their fall? Yeah, it would be, you know what last time i went is december which is just before the wet season starts this is the tail end of the wet season right now so we're thinking about when we want to take you up there would be around november

october november because you don't want to get stuck in the with the wet season hit because big rains but uh you you want it and and also it makes it easier to find the animals because there's not water everywhere right now there's water everywhere so they don't have to be concentrated to get water but later in the year all those a lot of the water sources have dried up so if you got a good water hole you know every every animal's coming there well so these are for people who don't know um this is an invasive species of water buffalo yeah an enormous asian yeah and what is it called it's just called asian water buffalo like what is the actual name i think it or yeah there might be an yeah i just call them

asian water buffaloes that it seems like there's a c in there somewhere asiatic or something i don't know maybe jamie can look at jamie look it up but uh it's uh such a wild cool looking animal yeah yeah they're big they're big and uh my bull um he was a big old bull on uh uh we called him in using like a wounded calf call oh wow so this is this is what it looks like yeah that, that's a female, obviously. It's typed in Asian water buffalo. Yeah, that's it. That's what it looks like. Go to Cam's Instagram page and there's a picture

of the... No, that's Adam's. Oh, that's Adam's? Yeah. And there's yours. It's in the upper right-hand corner. Yeah, right there. I only see the skull. That's a fucking head. People don't want to see that what is he doing now it's folks that's how you make cheeseburgers fine there's only one way there's another picture of it i think when it's coming

when he's coming in right there right above that jamie right uh right now the one with the far left yeah right yeah right there that's uh him at full draw, or that's looking through the riser of the bow. Yeah, so that's that bull coming in aggressive. You can see his eyes. He was just pissed off. And he was coming. That's at under 20 yards, and he's not stopping. And so I shot him there frontal through the chest, and it is almost like self-defense wow so these are animals that

if hunters don't go up there and kill them they they actually hire people to go up there and kill them right they yeah they i mean these things have has spread disease up there i mean they're a non-native species and they any water source up there is ruined any natural habitat has been ruined because there's so many buffalo so they just want them killed basically they're like um it'd be like similar to coyotes here you know except 2 000 pounds yeah yeah and no predators either no there's nothing else to kill them and and maybe a croc could kill a you know a small one right but uh they just need you know and coyotesotes down here in North America don't ruin water sources and ruin habitat like these things do. These things are just wrecking machines and there's hundreds of thousands of them up there.

So they ruin water sources for the native animals as well? Like all the other things? Yeah. Because they shit and piss in the water. Yeah. things anything yeah because they shit and piss in the water and yeah yeah well it's australia is so strange and uh as is new zealand in that all these people imported animals there in the 1800s and uh i guess even before was it when did they establish australia and new zealand i'm not sure i forget when they see if you can find out when they established we talked about this recently

with josh zepps didn't we but they um they brought in all these animals with no game plan. They just let them loose. And then they're like, oh, Jesus. So in New Zealand, they have these beautiful stags, these incredible animals. And in some places, they have to shoot them out of helicopters just to control the population. For people in America, it's like unheard of like how could you do that like that's that's a it's like an elk like a majestic animal you're gonna shoot him out of helicopters just leave him there to die it's way different it's uh you know up there

there's just not enough hunters because in all of australia they say there's as many people as are in la the la area here in the whole country new New Zealand says it was, okay, the first European explorer to site New Zealand was Abel Janzoon. What a name. Janzoon Tasman on the 13th of December in 1642. But that's obviously just a European. People have been there for a long fucking time. Oh, yeah. And Australia was 1788

and shortly thereafter then they started bringing in all these animals the idea was that they were going to make it like a european hunting destination right for for rich people the rich uh what douchebags yeah so they released all these animals but with no predators right yeah and so people were going to come over from europe and they were going to go to australia and hunt yeah the rich people and so i think they're in they told me that it seems like it was in 1985 they're going to wipe out all the buffalo and they had some money funded for it and they were going to try to get rid of them and they got halfway through and quit. They killed like half of them?

Something like that, yeah. Wow. And then they quit. And so now it's just, as I was saying, the whole country is about the size of the United States. You were telling me this, but I did know that the whole country has the same amount of people as live in L.A. here. So there's just not that many hunters. You know, a small percentage of them are hunters. So there's nobody to control all these number of non-native species and that's from uh water buffalo to the fallow deer that i was hunting to stags there's

not as many stags as fallow deer but um all these species just there's no measure for control really yeah and they brought in a bunch of other non-native species. It's an exercise in conservation gone totally wrong. Because they brought in cats to take care of certain animals. And they brought in fox. And then the fox and the cats are out of control. And they kill all the ground-nesting birds. So now it's kind of fucked up to us here in America.

But people in Australia hunt cats like they hunt them the way and they hold them up like look i got one and yeah it's a cat yeah it's weird man it's like that's fluffy what the fuck yeah no i we saw a guy and uh he had a rifle and he's walking on the road there just uh he lives there you know i mean that's his home he's lived there his whole life i think and he was walking on the on road, and I went down there. I had my bow, and I said, hey, what are you after? He's like, oh, I'm after a big black cat. And I'm like, just a regular cat?

He's like, yeah. I said, just a feral wild cat? He's like, yeah, it's a black one, though. So there's a $10 bounty on it that the property owners around there had. If anybody could kill this black cat, it's $10. But they don't think anything about it because there's just wild cats everywhere. How weird is that? Yeah, it is.

A bounty on a kitty cat. Yeah. Well, people that have researched it in america just in north america uh cats kill somewhere in the neighborhood of three billion birds oh yeah yeah billion yeah that when they found that out like apparently like scientists were shocked the biologists were shocked it's between 1.5 and 3 point something billion. And that's not even counting like mice and rabbits and all the other shit they killed, squirrels. I'll never forget. I had a cat that used to live across the street from this park.

And I had this one male cat and he was just a murderer. And I'll never forget watching him walk across this park with a squirrel between his legs. So he was biting down the squirrel's neck. The squirrel's dead, and the squirrel was his size, practically. And it was in between his legs, so he was straddling it and walking with it, dragging it along. So he could show it to me. Good kill. Oh, he was super psyched.

That was awesome. He's like, dude, look what I got. He's like, all right. That's probably a large percentage of his weight right there he was it was probably no bullshit at least three quarters the size of him yes he wasn't a big cat and it was a fat fucking squirrel yeah that that probably would have been a nice battle it's just weird the cat versus squirrel cats are the weirdest animals man yeah because they're they're cool with us but they're straight killers i know but the only story i remember about a cat i can't remember where i

heard it or who told me but that oh maybe it was one of my cop friends but anyway if a if a like an old say it's an elderly person that has a dog they die the dog is that people come and find the body the dog and the dog's laying there with them, you know, just like a loyal whatever. And if a cat, if they have a cat and they die, the cat eats their eyelids and lips. Yeah, right away. If you stop feeding that cat, the cat's like, look, I'm eating. And it eats its owner. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's really all you need to know about a cat. They eat each other, too. Like crazy old people. There's this one lady who was a hoarder, and she had a bunch of dead cats. She had so many cats in her house, and the cats had died, and so she wasn't feeding the cats. Yeah. The cats were eating the dead cat.

Man. Woo! Yeah. It's hard out there. No. It's hard out there, Cameron Haynes. I know. Imagine being a cat.

You're living with a hoarder. You're like, this bitch doesn't even let me go out. Yeah. Like, let me out. I'll go kill some birds cat, you're living with a hoarder, you're like, this bitch doesn't even let me go out. Yeah. Like, let me out, I'll go kill some birds. Oh, yeah, animals just want to be out and live.

That's what we need to, we need to be out and live. I mean, that two and a half weeks I was in Australia, that was, man, I took two showers

the whole time, lived in a sleeping bag. You must have smelled good. What a, hey, that's just how it goes. That's what people are supposed to smell like, isn't that crazy we were just used to it yeah so and i'm just for the viewers i'm a queen i take a couple showers a day but you know when you're hunting that's just the way it goes sometimes yeah were you wearing wool no i was no it was warm oh right more but like a

thin layer of merino actually keeps it cool because you're sweating it and it regulates heat really well. Yeah, it was, you know, where we were hunting deer in New South Wales, which is outside of Sydney, it was actually cold at night. Yeah, I saw you guys were walking on like frozen grass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The grass was covered with frost. But, I mean, at night it was freezing. You know, I mean, it was freezing you know i mean it was like 32 degrees and we were used to we thought we were gonna be hunting in 90 to 100 degree

weather so yeah it didn't you know when you're laying in a sleeping bag that's only rated to 40 degrees and it's 32 and sleeping on the ground it's that's rough it's just rough but you're saying that those deer were like super turned on too or like they were tuned in like yeah they were very skinny edge they they've been hunted and uh you know they don't have lions like we have here that which keep the deer on edge you know because we have lions are just killers but uh um they don't have a predator like that but man it's just they're an antelope species and or it's uh they can see so well and so fast reacting it's just amazing what are they this is a fallow deer right yeah and what are they related to um for i just said it right there you said an antelope but i i'm not sure if

once i said it i'm like are they they? So don't quote me on that. We might have to look that one up too. But all I know is the reason why I said that is because they can see. I mean, antelope are notorious for having amazing vision, you know, 10 times what humans have apparently. And that's how these were. I mean, I don't know if the deer, antelope or whatever, but they can see extremely well. So they were seeing you from like a long ways out oh you couldn't i mean there's this one buck i was stalking i had a cameraman with me

and that the key for stalking animals is always staying in the shade if if you stay in the shade and you got camo on especially if they're in the sun you know how it is looking looking into if you're in the sun you try to look into a house you can't see right so it's the same thing with shadow so you always want to be a shadow well we were 330 yards away from this buck i was stalking he was feeding in this creek and we had this small patch of sunlight to cross 330 yards away it's a long way away and i i told the cameraman i'm like we just got to get across here. Just stay low and get, you know, hustle through there. So we, we hunched over and got in seconds. We were through there, got to the shade, looked over at the buck. He's standing there staring. I'm like, are you kidding me? He's already, so we're in the shade. So then for sure,

we weren't moving. I'm like, don't move. And he's just staring, staring, staring, staring. And I'm like, don't move. He's like, I'm not. I go, don't move. He's just looking. Anything is going to spook him. He's like, I'm not moving.

And he was crouched down on his knees. And so finally the buck took a few bites of grass. And I'm like, okay, he's feeding. Next thing, gone. So all he did is took a couple bites of grass for the road. He's like, no, I already know I'm out of here, but I'm taking this with me. And he was gone. That was it.

Yeah, they're smart. That's long rifle range. We had bows. And it's just barely this. And we have to get close with a bow. Yeah, they're smart. That's long rifle range. We had bows. And it's just barely this. And we have to get close with a bow. And so you can imagine if that one example tells you what it was like, basically. So we were talking about different bow setups.

Like you had brought two bow setups. You brought one for deer. And you brought one for buffalo. So for people that don't understand there's two different ways that you were going to approach this the buffalo is a giant heavy boned animal so you had a real heavy arrow which is going to go slower yeah and those hours are just too slow for those deer and the deer would actually move out of the way before the arrow got to yeah. Yeah, yeah, like Matrix. It was, you know, the thing with penetration with an arrow is weight. The weight of the arrow equates to more penetration with heavy bone. And, you know, we talked about the Buffalo, 1,800 to 2,000 pounds.

So you need something that hits hard. Well, when you have a heavier arrow, it's going to fly slower. So those were flying at 245 feet a second out of my high poundage bow. And I thought, well, good enough. I mean, these will be all right. And I was shooting it so well. I'm so accurate. You know, I'm practicing out to 90 yards all the time.

I'm shooting really well. So I thought, you know what? I know it's supposed to be for buffalo. I'm just going to use it for deer. So the first week there, I tried it for deer. what i know it's supposed to be for buffalo i'm just gonna use it for deer so the first week there i tried it for deer and it was just like these deer were seemingly 10 yards away by the time the arrow got to him and it's i'm not talking long shots and i'm like okay maybe there's just a fluke just a fluke so they would see it hear it they would hear it and they would duck out of the way

or just be gone i mean just like be 10 away. So they would move out of the way before the arrow got to them. Yeah, yeah. And so finally I thought, well, maybe it's just, and it was super calm there. So, so quiet. You know, I don't know. My bows are quiet. A heavy arrow makes a bow even quieter. You know, it absorbs that sound and the energy.

So your limbs are just like that. It's more of like and but it still makes noise on a super calm windless day especially when it's cold you know i mean it's just that sounds going to get across there so i thought well maybe just a fluke maybe the deer were pick something up pick up some movement so they were just on me and just whatever and i'm not worried about it you know I'm not used to missing I'm used to being very disciplined on my shots and taking high percentage shots at relaxed animals if I do do my stock right my goal is always to shoot an animal that has no idea I'm there you know so it's relaxed and uh so that wasn't happening here. And I thought, well, maybe, maybe it's just

cause they're high, strong and they were on me. So what would the, the, the time where I decided, okay, these arrows aren't going to work was a wild boar was out there, big boar, 45 yards. Okay. This should be slam dunk money. And I camera over my shoulder he had no idea we were there draw back shoot and he had he was facing uh his head to the left and he was heading back to the right probably a few feet away by the time the arrow got there i mean well i didn't even have to even i like shot and went oh my are you kidding me he's that gone that fast spun and just gone and so then at that time i am like okay these this is not gonna work it's so crazy because although there's no predators there the hunters that are there are out there all the time they don't have a season no there's no season these animals are

just tuned in they're hunted every day. Wow. Yeah. And mostly rifle. So, I mean, they're used to, if they see somebody, that's like a danger because they've been shot at from hundreds of yards. So it's just, yeah, it was challenging. But so I changed from those 245 grain arrows, and I thought, well, I need to shoot my, or not 245, 245 feet per second, that 687 grain arrow to a lighter arrow. And I thought, well, maybe this will do it. And, you know, I was shooting 300 feet per second at that time. Did you change broadheads? Yep.

Did you go to the trocar? No. Did you step with the solids? No. broadheads yep did you go to the trocar no did you step with the solids no i shot uh with the buffalo and actually you know it's funny actually what i ended up killing the deer with too was uh um what were the magna stingers and i also that but the expand i had that expandable head you remember that one that i used on the bear yeah it. It was a, uh, gravedigger gravedigger. Yeah. Yeah. That a ruthless name, that head and that, that head flies so good. Oh, his money. So you use that as well. Yep. So when you're out there, man, like,

so you're around Sydney, which is where people are. There's there's those animals are hunted pretty, pretty regularly. But then you're taking that flight for four and a half hours, and then the helicopter, and when you're in the area where the buffalo are, there's nobody out there. No, no. It's remote. That is a wild, wild place.

Yeah. When you think about the size of Australia, the size of North America, with the same amount of people as Los Angeles, but the area where you're at, it's like, that is as wild as it gets. Yeah. I mean, you fly those four and a half hours from Sydney to Darwin and most of that there you're looking down at country with nothing, nothing, no roads, no nothing. And that's, that's a large majority of Australia is like that. And it's just overrun with buffalo.

Yeah, a lot of it is, yep. What a crazy place. Yeah, and we did find some drawings up there, too, from the old. From the natives. Yeah, from the Aborigines. And did you know that those were there before you went there did adam know that they were the pilot knew the pilot no yeah so we wanted to go see them oh wow so are they in a cave like where they're on um the for the weather not to

get to them it has to be on like the underside of a rock so where we went we filmed under there like you could imagine people getting out of the rain there. And they're huge boulders. And it was just a perfect spot just to stay dry. And so if they drew on a part of the rock where the rain was hitting, obviously it was gone. But in these areas, they were protected. So the drawings were still there. Last time Adam was here, he talked about some of the Aborigines there and explained some stuff.

But when we went back to my house, we had dinner and we sat around talking. He told me some crazy stories about the horrors that those people faced and how they had been wiped out, like they had been poisoned. Like he went to this one cave and he found bones all through this cave. He's like, this is crazy. There's like human bones. And he's like, like human bones and he's like children's bones you'd find children's bones and then he had heard this story from one of the other aborigines that lived there that someone had brought food to all these people all the aborigines there and just poisoned the food and just killed them all off yeah it's it's fucking dark yeah it. Yeah, yeah. It's dark.

No, I don't know. So they don't know who made those hieroglyphs or the cave drawings or whatever they were or when they did it either? No. No, they say, I put it up on my Instagram page and I saw some comments there and they're saying that the more brightly colored,

the older they are. Huh. But I don't know. I think, I think the pilot mentioned 10,000 years old, maybe. I was just guessing. Who the fuck does he know? I have no idea. How would you know?

I think you just threw that out there. Yeah. How would you know? I mean, it's just. I'm sure somebody knows. I mean, right. That studies that. I'm sure there's probably a few people.

Yeah. I'm sure somebody knows. I mean, right, that studies that? I'm sure there's probably a few people. But it seems like when you think about the actual numbers of how much land you're talking about, how few people live out there, and how many of those things are probably there. And also, one of the things that Adam was telling me that's crazy is you could have, the way they refer to themselves, like Aborigines, they call themselves a mob. Like, you know, instead of a tribe, it's a mob. And they're like, there could be one mob. And he said, they call themselves a mob like you know instead of a tribe it's a mob yeah and they're like there could be one mob and he said there could be a mob he goes four kilometers away and they speak a totally different language oh right yeah like what yeah i go how many languages are they goes oh hundreds yeah what yeah hundreds i go so they can't talk to each

other he goes nope yeah no written language yeah they they have different expressions for things yeah yeah i heard that too that's crazy i know what i mean it's really it's like a tribal society right i mean that's that's just the way it goes well it's it is like a tribal society but it's also like you're you're i mean right now there's culture and there's civilization that is linked to who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, and it will go away. Because there won't be people that understand it. There's not someone who's studying it. And there's so many different versions of the way they communicate that it's just like you're literally watching history dissolve right in front of you. Yeah, yeah.

You're literally watching history dissolve right in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It was amazing to be in that country walking and hunting in the same that they have for, you know, however many years. And what did they hunt back then? Because this is obviously before the buffalo came in, before they brought the fallow deer. I don't know. Just whatever wallabies or wallabies, a native thing, kangaroos and shit.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But it was cool being under that rock and envisioning them being there too. Yeah. You know, that long ago doing the same thing we were doing. Yeah. That's a real mind blower, man.

It's just so fascinating thinking about that, that particular continent of Australia that, you know, Europe used it as a prison colony and England brought a bunch of people over there and go, look, you people are assholes. Stay here. That was on, there's an island off of Australia, right? That they used for that. Well, they used Australia for that. I thought, God, what was that island? It's probably an island as well that they still do. I think that's what they take immigrants. Right, right. And they have to live there for a certain amount of time before they can come over. Yeah, they have some weird immigration laws in Australia. Like if people that are complaining about Trump wanting to build a wall,

listen, Australia is way worse. And it's like a prison. If I understand it right, it's like a prison. And they have to stay there for, like I said, a certain amount of time before they're a citizen. Yeah, see if you can find that, Jimmy. Josh Zeps actually brought it up to us. And he was explaining how brutal the immigration laws are over there. They don't want anybody moving to Australia. They understand they have a good thing going on. I mean, if you haven't been to Australia, it is lovely. The people there are fantastic. They're super friendly.

They're really nice. And again, there's not that many of them. So it's expensive though. Yeah. Very, you know, I mean, there was a, um, Amon, he, I think his house was like a two bedroom house and four or $500,000. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense though. You got to bring shit over there.

Right. Yeah. Like they were saying the guy, uh, when I was in Sydney, um, the guy who was driving us, uh, was telling us how much cars costs over there.

They cost so much more money. Yeah. Especially like people like, uh, classic American muscle cars. And the guy was talking about how much like a 1968 Mustang was worth. Yeah. And he's like, it's probably worth twice what it's worth in America.

Yeah, because they have to ship them over there. What they have over there, which is sweet, was a Toyota Hilux diesel trucks. Those are pretty sweet. What is it? It's just a Toyota. Like a Tundra? Is it like a Tundra? It's like a, they call it a ute.

A ute? That's a pickup. Oh, like a utility vehicle? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just trying to learn the lingo. But a Ute is a pickup, and it's a Toyota Hilux diesel.

And is this what Adam was driving around in? No. I can't remember what his is. There it is right there, huh? Yeah. That's a, okay. So it's like a flatbed yeah i'm not sure what that maybe adam has that i can't remember now one of the things i thought

was weird when i was there is how many people have snorkels on their trucks yeah yeah that one right there yeah that's driving through water well it's not just water it's also dust oh they were explaining to me that dust chokes up your air filters. Yeah. That makes sense. So they have those things way up high so that when the engine's getting the air, apparently it mitigates a lot of the dust because a lot of the dust is like headlight high. Yeah. When you're driving, and that gets you a little bit more clear air up there. Well, that's out of my wheelhouse. I know bow hunting and riding.

Well, you knew the name of it. No, I just noticed because they're cool well whenever you go to like africa or whenever you go someplace that's fucking brutal you see a lot of toyotas yeah toyotas know how to they know how to make a car that lasts they do they do but they're not i mean here it's just like you know ford chevy you know i don't know because we like american stuff i guess so, yeah. But still, you still see a lot of like old Land Cruisers. Yeah.

I mean, how many FJ Land Cruisers do you see? There, where we were in the outback driving around, everybody has those. Yeah. Every person has a truck set up like that. Well, I guess you have to. Yeah. If you realize after time, like this is the only thing that makes it. Yeah. Because Adam was saying when he drives from Sydney to Darwin, you know after time like this is the only thing that makes it yeah because Adam

was saying when he drives from Sydney to Darwin you know we took a four and a half hour plane flight but it's three days so you have to your rig has to be bulletproof yeah yeah basically yeah they have an expression uh you could take a range rover into the bush but you need a land rover to get out of the bush is Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Those Toyotas, it's kind of crazy how well they last. Yeah. When you really think about, like for the longest time, America did a real shit job of making cars that last. Yeah.

There was a period in American cars from like the 1970s till, I think till probably like the late 90s or 2000 they finally got it right and now we make very dependable cars as well but for the longest time we were making dog shit well i don't know about all that but i do know we're gonna go up and do that hunt me you and adam and we're gonna do do a Netflix special. That's the plan. Netflix doesn't know this yet. Why Netflix? What makes you? What should we do it?

Well, it's a good move. It's a good move. Doing something on the internet. Yeah, I want it to be like an hour-long documentary-style hunting film, killing buffalo, taking the meat back to the community. To the natives. Yeah. Yeah, to Ab to aborigines yeah that's what i envision that sounds like a great idea um it could be certainly it could be done on netflix or it could be done and you just put it online yeah that that could be just as i mean netflix is awesome for sure but there's some people that don't have netflix everybody has an online connection yeah my

my my goal is to sort of use you because people because i want to i want to i want hunting to be shown in the light that i know it to be which is hard work respect for the country and the animals and giving back so with you involved more people care about it right and we want to have you involved because we like hanging out with you and like well i was explaining this to adam too um when we did my podcast up there in the bush it's like ever since i've hunted way back when roy moved to alaska and I was left hunting the wilderness on my own. I loved it so much. I kept wanting to find somebody who would love it as much as I, so I could say, look how awesome this is. Isn't this awesome? And I kept taking people there and trying to

convince them how awesome it was. It wasn't awesome for them. So it was like, but you want to share something that impacts you so much with other people who appreciate it. So that's why that's what that's what I was saying when Adam, I were talking is that, you know, you love bow hunting. And so that's when you are so interested and invested in something and have such a passion for something. There's nothing better when somebody than when somebody else shares that passion, right? Yeah. So that was why there's a few different reasons why you can be involved. Thank you. I'm excited about that.

But I also think the difficulty factor is what turns people off. I don't think they expect it to be so difficult. No, no, no. If you try to introduce bow hunting to people first of all just shooting a bow people think oh well you pull the string back you point at the spot you let it go good luck with all that it takes fucking years yeah it takes years to get competent with a bow and uh i remember when you first uh started showing me how to shoot when we first shot in my backyard and uh i i immediately recognized i think like after first of all you

had a 90 pound bow which i definitely shouldn't have been pulling back my shoulder was fucking killing me after the first hour i was like oh like this takes you gotta build up to this goddamn thing but then i remember thinking like to be accurate with this like i just went down a rabbit hole yeah i'm like i just took my first step down a crazy rabbit hole and who knows where it leads because this is not easy. And I have a very addictive personality. And I need to figure out

ways to channel that addiction in positive ways because I can get lost doing things that are not good. So bow hunting and archery itself to me it seemed like okay this is a discipline it's a worthy pursuit it's fascinating and i'm very very interested in it yeah but for a lot of people i think it's very daunting like oh i don't think they realize it people think of hunting as like

elmer fudd like you know you go out there or they see some hunting scene in a movie where there's a bunch of rednecks and they're fat and they're sitting in a tree stand or something like that. And they think it's easy. And they think it's a bunch of people that are just killing animals and they don't care. And then when you actually go out and do it, especially if you go do it with a person like you, you understand what this thing really is. And what it really is, is this incredibly difficult pursuit that takes immense amounts of hard work and dedication. And you got to be in fucking shape for it.

Yeah. And this is something that people are starting to realize now. Right. And I think you're a big part of this. And over the last few years and all the platforms that you've gone on to tell your story is that people understand that big game hunting in the West and the Western style hunting elk and mule deer, the type of stuff that you love to do is very, very difficult. It is a combination of athletics, of extreme endurance, of hiking, outdoorsmanship, survival skills, and then the knowledge of hunting.

And then you have to be a good shot on top of all that. You have to know archery. Yeah. Then you have to be able to keep, you know, when that adrenaline hits. Yeah. And that's what's hard is people have invested so much into it and they've been thinking about the crunch time for so long that when it happens, it's too much. Yeah. that when it happens, it's too much. And so it's really hard when you've been thinking about something for years, potentially, or at least all year, you know, that, oh, here's my chance, here's my chance,

and then you get it and you're not ready. Because it's just too much to, it's so hard to stay calm. Well, it's also something that you need to do a bunch of times until you understand it. It's like, I try to explain to people about, we were talking about fighting earlier. We were talking about when, if someone has never fought before and never competed before,

the scary thing is not really, what's nerve wracking is not the actual fighting itself. Once the fighting starts, you're actually kind of like just in the zone and you're just doing it. I mean, you might be intimidated, especially if you're fighting a guy like Mike Tyson or Anderson Silva or something like that. You're going to be shitting your pants. Yeah.

But the real terrifying stuff is the buildup, the lead up. And that's kind of the same thing with hunting. It's the moment before the shot. It's your adrenaline is pumping. It's like if you had to shoot an eight ball across the table long shot and your life was on the line it's almost like that and you don't get any warm-up shots yeah there's no warm-up shots just all of a sudden here's this one shot for all the marbles and you got to stay calm oh and the animal might be moving yeah like oh well fuck. No, I was saying that on this last hunt. It was, you know, we had me, Adam, and Remy Warren.

And supposedly, we're supposed to be pretty good hunters. The best of the best. And we were struggling to get something killed. And I was just like, imagine how frustrating this would be for somebody, a new hunter. I mean, it's no wonder people try to bow hunt and then just be like are you kidding me this is impossible and it's but it's it's that challenge anyway it's that whole journey which is why i want to do that special yeah and i want to i want to share all that's positive about hunting it to as many people as you know and we are reaching new people these days you know i mean hunting it's it's in the crosshairs in some aspects i guess but we're also other people are

getting because i get i mean i i went to an archery shop up there benson's archery in uh sydney and we just had a few hours notice saying hey hey, Adam, Adam, I are going to stop by swing by. And quite a few people came. I mean, it was it was surprising how many people showed up. But a lot of them were vegetarians, you know, six months ago. Listen to your show. A lot of people told me, oh, I found out about you from Joe Rogan or I didn't hunt. All right.

I didn't even eat meat and all these different stories, all these different from all these different areas. So we are reaching new people and I want to make sure our message, the one of, of, of respect and reverence and, and appreciation for everything out there and for survival and for just, you know, outside of the life outside of the city. I want that you know outside of the life outside of the city i want that shown in a way that i know we would yeah so that's why i'm selfishly want this to be a big thing just because i'm sick of hunting you know the elmer fudd thing or um you know i see i was watching a movie the other day and they showed a hunter and it was like the the girl was on there and she was, what was that? There's three girls that were kidnapped and one of them had hunted as a younger girl.

And so she was like, do you know what movie that is? Anyway, so she had the upper hand. She was tougher and she was more prepared because she had been a hunter. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. But then they show her as a little girl hunting and her perverted uncle had molested her hunting drinking beer oh god that movie split split yeah that's what it was so the hunter in there was some child molester i'm like why it's the most misunderstood and misrepresented discipline, I think, that we have here in America. And it's so confusing to people because when we think of food, we think of restaurants and we think of supermarkets.

We don't think of wild animals. And the connection that people feel like they don't have with their food is one thing that comes up all the time lately so people are constantly looking for these farm to table places yeah like there's a farm to table place out here um called uh peddler's fork it's a really good place they have great eggs like you get the eggs they're like real dark yolk yeah yeah the food is all grass-fed beef or from a farm that they have a connection to and they buy the meat from the farm. There's a lot of that, these farm-to-table places where these restaurants have a great relationship with the people that actually grow the food. So everything's organic.

They know where it comes from. And people are super connected to that. They love the idea of that because factory farming is kind of freaking people out. And for the longest time, it was happening without us knowing. You know, I think during the 80s and the 90s, it was all going on and no one understood. Yeah. So now people are becoming more aware because of the internet, because of information, and they're becoming more aware of where their food comes from. And you're also seeing a higher number of people that their response to this factory farming thing is, well, hey, I'll go vegetarian or, hey, I'll go vegan.

And before I hunted with Rinella, that was my thought. I was like, I don't want to participate in factory farming. So what am I going to do? I'm going to do one of two things. I'm going to either go hunting. I'm going to hunt for my own food because I knew there's something wrong. I'm like, it's too easy to just get a steak. I would always, like, pick up a steak steak and I go, this isn't an animal.

Yeah. Here I am at the supermarket. Now it's a styrofoam container wrapped in saran wrap. Like this is fucking weird. Yeah. It's weird that you could just do this. So my thought was if I shoot an animal and I hate it, like I didn't know how I was going to feel.

I never shot. I've fished all my life. Yeah. I never. But when I shot that deer and I was like, oh, I get fished all my life. Yeah. But when I shot that deer, and I was like, oh, I get it. I get it. Yeah. I mean, it was an extreme amount of respect.

It's on video. I mean, you can see it on media. Yeah. Anybody who wants to watch it, you can watch it online. The first time I ever shot a deer, it was intense. Yeah. You know? And then cutting it up and eating it that night, I was like, well, this makes sense.

Yeah. This is a... up and eating it that night i was like well this makes sense yeah this is uh and then when you actually find out that you know that these animals the money that come from hunting tags and even from buying hunting gear there's a percentage of money that goes towards conservation and this is all very carefully thought out by people like you yeah and by these people that that really respect and care for these animals yeah and you get deeper and deeper into this and you understand what it really is. And then you see this whole community of these people like yourself and Remy Warren and these hardcore hunters that are also like deeply connected to the land and conservation and deeply appreciate these animals. And this is how they get all their meat. This is how they live.

And like that was extremely appealing to me yeah it's a i think steve vernella has done a great job making getting that message out and in a in a perfect way really i mean he's a great spokesman and and his show i used to watch his show before meteor now i can't remember what it was wild within is that what it was yeah yeah okay. And I remember he had just something about him that I'm like, OK, this is different. I liked I was a hunter. I've been a hunter myself my whole life. But his his portrayal was different than what we'd seen before. And so, you know, maybe the me and some of the other people you've mentioned and Adam have just carried that on and tried to do a good job of educating people who don't know any better. And I just, you know, it's like I wish everybody could be out there.

I mean, that last day we were up in the mountains there after I had killed my deer, and we had a backstrap, so we're picking up camp, getting everything away. But I had an awesome fallow deer backstrap, which is like the prime for people who don't know, it was a prime cut. And I cut it all, I cleaned it all off. Every piece of anything that was on it, hair, if there's any tree bark, anything that was on there was just a perfect, clean piece of meat. I sliced it all up. We got a green stick to put it on.

Skewered it on green wood. So if it's dry wood, the wood's just going to burn. And so, you know, you can't cook on that. So it's got to be green. And we put it over the fire there. it was we seasoned it it was so good it was probably some of the best meat i've ever eaten and standing around the campfire just pulling that off that that stick that we had cooked it over the open flame was i wish everybody could know what that was like to know that that deer just previous to that was alive

in the woods we harvested him which is aka killed him and then ate him and that's that circle of life or whatever you want to call it or just that moment that's i wish everybody could experience it because i just think they'd have a different take on hunting and hunters and being self-sustaining. It's very different. Meat is very different when you've killed it yourself. It's impossible to describe without experiencing it. I mean, I could try. I could give it my best shot, but I'll fall short.

But I remember eating that meat that we ate when I was in Montana with Ranella, the first hunt, and it was so delicious. And we're cooking it over a campfire, and Steve had brought this little grill, not a grill, like a grate, you know, that we'd set down over the fire. Yeah, Adam has that, too. And it's like if you buy a steak and you cook it, it's great, tastes good. Like, oh, this is a good steak. This is nice.

But there's no connection there. No. None. When you're eating an animal that you killed yourself and it's difficult to do, and you were hard hunting for many, many days before you got that deer. Yeah. So there's this intense respect and connection that I think we all, I mean, we harp on about it so many times that people listen to these podcasts. They're like, Jesus Christ, you guys stop talking about how awesome hunting is. It's because it's impacted both of us in a very, very positive way.

There's a primal, genetic sort of ancestral thing that's happening when you hunt. There's some lights that go off that you didn't even know were there. Like, oh, I didn't even know there was a there's some lights that go off that you didn't even know were there like oh I didn't know there's a switch over there yeah, and like oh, this is a part of my brain It's lit up that it was never lit up before yeah, and it's not It's not what everybody thinks the the negative aspects. It's not a barbaric thing. It's not a cruelty thing It's a very respectful thing yeah, and I understand the people that have bad feelings about it I understand the people that look at it like animal cruelty, like you don't people that do that hunt, is you're entering into the wild, and you're for a small window, a week or whatever it is,

you're becoming a part of this crazy cycle of nature. You're taking something out of that and leaving something as well. You're spending a ton of money. That money, whether it's the money for the outfitters, the money for the tags, the money for the gear, all that stuff. Percentage of that goes to make sure that the habitat is maintained, make sure that the animal population is maintained,

make sure that Department of Fish and Game is well-staffed with biologists, with people that are monitoring these animals. Because guess what? If that doesn't get done, these animals are not going to be there anymore. They're not going to be taken care of. These animals are not going to be there anymore. They're not going to be taken care of. And North America has the best wildlife management program or management system of anywhere. And that's why almost all the species that we have here, there's more now than there almost ever has been. And even with shrinking habitat, because we're encroaching on where they live.

But we're still, the numbers still flourish because we're not, hunters't just oh let's go kill wipe them all out i mean we're it's managed it's fishing game is managed they're funded by hunters and what we pay that with the with the tags and license and so it's there's a system to it but but at the end of the day like there in australia we were getting up in the morning out of the sleeping bag grabbing our bow bow and taking off. We're hunters. That's it. And that, that feels, man, it feels like I said, I wish people could know what it feels like because I see people comment on my social media and they say, this isn't the 19th century anymore. You don't have to be a Neanderthal or whatever, but it's just, we, we are hunters. Yeah. Well, most of those people have cheeseburgers on their Instagram pages, which is fucking hilarious. There's so much of that.

This one chick, she posted something mean when I posted a picture of us and elk that I was cooking. And I said, Hey honey, I go, you got, I like to call girls honey. Cause it makes them feel like I'm a sexist. You got a, you got a fucking BLT on your page, sweetie. And she's like, well, that was just from four months ago before I was enlightened. I'm like, oh, you became enlightened. It's always the most adamant vegans just became one. The most proselytizing, ruthlessly aggressive ones. I understand where they're coming from. And I think that's very important to get our message across.

We're not animal haters this is not this and it's it's hard for people to understand that someone could love animals and love the idea of animals and love wildlife but still eat them yeah you know i always i climbed up in this tree there i i found this place where the deer were coming into this field and uh like i said this area had been hunted, but I, I, I had figured nobody had ever hunted out of a tree there, you know, um, not like a white tail back here, you know, in the, in the East or in the South that get tree stand hunted all the time. So I'm like, well, I think I can get up in this tree. These deer coming out in this area, I probably have a pretty good chance. So I was up there in the tree and, uh, these does and

fawns were out in the field and they were running around chasing each other playing. I mean, it was just like speeding all around in circles and bumping into each other. And, uh, it was cool to see. And then this, a doe and a spike, a young buck came out right under my tree. The spike was 24, 25 yards away, basically a chip shot with a bow, especially had no idea I was there. And there was a thought that we were getting low on meat in camp and, uh, I hadn't killed a deer. So, uh, you know, I had said before, I'm like, I'm killing any buck that comes out. I'm, I'm, I'm taking him. And then I was watching him up there, and I'm just like, I just, you know, for me, it's got to be the right animal. It's not just like I'm not some bloodthirsty, you know, I still watch the deer.

I still appreciate their beauty and, you know, their frolicking about or whatever you want to call it. And I still enjoyed that. This young buck was down, and I had said I was going to get meat for camp but I'm not some bloodthirsty guy so I just said well no I'm just going to watch him and you know enjoy it and he was there and then the buck I ended up killing stepped out and uh you know an old buck he was you could see his hip bones because he was so run down from the rut and he was getting older I could tell he was an older mature deer and that's that's what i want to take i want to take an animal past its prime that has done his job for spread his genes for for the health of the herd and was that's the

animals we want to take out and so he was he was just a run down old buck that's what i took yeah people don't they that's the problem is that people associate someone who wants to take an older, big, mature animal with trophy hunting. Like, oh, you just want the antlers. You just want a big, but they don't understand that that is actually the animal that you should take. Yeah, and he's still great meat. Yeah, I'm sure. But, I mean, that's just, you know, for the health of the herd, that's the one you want. Right.

You know, if you're doing it right. The young ones then will get a chance to fill his spot. Right. And that would be the natural position if there was an, this is the natural position if there's predators. The natural position is the really young ones, like the fawns, get taken out. And then the really old ones start getting worn down. They get taken out. And then everything in the middle gets to breed.

Yeah. And then this guy who's eight years old or whatever he is, he's had plenty of opportunity to shed, spread his genetics. And so his, his offspring will be everywhere and then they'll get a chance now. And the thing is, nobody makes it out. Nobody makes it alive. They're all dying. Everybody.

We're all dying. Yeah. So, I mean, just as, so if I wouldn't have killed that buck, it doesn't mean he's going to live forever. I mean, he's going to die. Yeah. One way or another. It's not going to become a fairy.

The fact that he died, I shot him, and he was dead within seconds is guaranteed, and people will always talk shit about this, is the very best way he could go. Yeah. Guaranteed. You don't want him starving to death. Yeah. Or, you know, dying because his you don't want him starving to death yeah or you know dying because his teeth don't work anymore he literally can't eat food you know this i've seen animals where you um you look at their teeth and there are almost none left yeah you get like

a really old buck this buck's teeth were flattened back so he's just when you can't eat they got to gum it they can't gum enough yeah they can't start't grind down the food. Stop breaking it down. Yeah. So it's, you know, and Adam also found two bucks that had fought and got stuck. They were fighting and a fence was in between them, just a cattle fence. They got stuck in the fence, died. So it's just, their life is, I mean, how many guys out here in the street, you know, fight and kill each other? And get stuck together. It doesn't happen. Starve to death.

It's life in the wild is, I mean, unless you're out there and you witness things like that, you just live in, it's not real. I think the real problem is perspective, you know? I mean, I think unless you're there, unless you're experiencing the wilderness itself, like I've talked about my experience on Prince of Wales Island that, you know, Brian Callen and Ronella and I, we were up there for, I guess, I think we camped there for six days. And you, your, your, your idea of what like life is, is only based on what your perception is, like what you're seeing on a daily basis. Well, hey, you're seeing Ventura Boulevard and you're seeing billboards and new movies coming out and keeping up with the Kardashians. There's a new season. Look at that new Audi. Wow, that's a sweet looking car.

Hey, I got the new iPhone. All right. And this is life. And then you're out there and you go, oh, well, this is life too. Total quiet. Yeah. Like this. No cell total quiet. Yeah like this No, cell phone service rain

Animals. Yeah, and then it if you die, no one's gonna know now you fall and break your neck and die right there Something will eat you no one will find you and that's that's normal. You're trying to stay warm You're trying to get food and there's more spots like that yeah on this planet more spots like that on this planet than spots like los angeles yeah it's uh it's weird yeah i don't know it's just it's but that connection i don't know i i guess there's no there's no way to see it in in front of your computer no but i want to if we can film it right and share it right, I think people will get it. They're getting it a little now. Get it more than right now. So, I mean, that's my goal with, you know, what we've been talking about.

And, I mean, we talked about the difficulty. I did remember I wanted to mention this. That hunt, the hunt was, I mean, I've been on a lot of hunts and a lot of places over the years and, uh, I hadn't struggled like I had on this hunt. It was so difficult. I was telling the guys back there, I said, um, I'm questioning my life right now. What, what, what am I doing with my life? And it's just because I'm like, it's not going to happen.

I'm not going to get it done. And the animals don't care about my goals. They don't care about that, oh, we're supposed to be making this great film and portray hunting. They're like, no, we're not, it has nothing to do, they're just staying alive. That was it. So it was just like, everything that I felt like I wanted to do or achieve, it was just like, it's not going to happen. And it felt like, God, have I lost it? You know? I mean, I was, it was just like, this is hard, but when it works and you do it right. And that shot happens, then it's just like, okay. And

I don't know. It's just that, that so difficult and being successful, as I've said this before, has made me who I am. You know, I mean, without without a challenge like that. I don't know. I don't know where I'd be right now. So it's I don't know. Sometimes you cuss it and then, man, you're just so appreciative of the journey. Well, those difficult moments are the only thing that makes success worthwhile. Success is easy. If you woke up in the morning, first day, yawn, have a cup of coffee, step five steps, there's the biggest deer that's ever lived. Shoot one right through his heart.

You wouldn't even feel it. It wouldn't be like. No, no. And I don't think people understand how difficult it is, too, because they watch these TV shows. If you ever watched a hunting show, they're half an hour long. So you're watching 22 minutes without commercials, right? Yeah. In 22 minutes, you know, they usually build up for the first, you know, 15 minutes.

Well, you know, we came close to them, but we could not get a shot. And then finally they get a shot. What you don't see is that it takes days and days and days of 10, 12 hours. Yeah. Up and down mountains. up and down and up and down. And when I met you, the reason why I got in contact with you and the reason why I met you is because I was so confused as to why someone would need to run ultra marathons in order to get ready for hunting. I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

Like, why is he lifting weights and doing all this shit for hunting? I didn't get it. I was like, I was just getting into it and i was trying to figure out like i was i would start to watch things on television i was starting to read certain articles and read certain books and i was like well what is this whole fitness connection to hunting like why do they need to be in shape i'm like i'm in pretty good shape like what's the big deal well i went with ranella and when i went with Rinella. And when I went with Rinella, one of the things I realized is like, boy, I got pretty winded going up these fucking hills. Like, hiking tires you out, especially high altitude.

And then I see your videos online. And I was like, what the fuck is this guy into? And then as I go deeper and deeper into it, I realized like, oh, this is like an extreme pursuit. This is not just like something you just go out and do. This is something that's really hard to do. And a lot of people, there are, I've read this one article about this one guy who was unsuccessful 12 years in a row, elk hunting before he finally shot an elk. Like 12 years. Like how many times did this guy go out? How many days did he camp in the forest? How many days did he try to stalk and get winded or snap on a twig at the last minute or you know the elk sees him and bolts it most people are unsuccessful yeah i mean nine out of ten every year unsuccessful

i think it's more than that like for elk hunting with archery it it's about it's about 10 success is it 10 yeah so nine out of ten are unsuccessful so people who don't hunt who see you know dead stuff all the time they think oh you just go out and kill an animal right no right most 90 don't it is really hard and it's just like until you're out there you got the bow in your hand and you're trying to close in on that animal and you're trying to do everything right from A to Z. And there's so many variables during that whole path. It's just like it seems impossible sometimes, you know, even for me after 30 years. And there's a very strange connection that you get with nature.

And forget about even the fact that you're pursuing these animals to hunt them and eat them. But there's a very strange connection that you get when you're out there in that total quiet woods where they live, you're in their world and you lock eyes with them and you meet them and you see them and you're in this place with no cell phone reception, with no people anywhere near you for miles and miles. It's a totally different feeling. Life shows you, uh, another aspect of itself that you didn't know existed. Yeah. Yeah. And it's out there every day. Yeah. But we're just, you know, living in our, we're muted. We're very muted. There's something about cities and this existence. I mean, don't get me wrong. I like it. I like a lot of it. I like the fact that you can go to a restaurant. I like going to the movies. I like the fact that you can go to a restaurant.

I like going to the movies. I like the fact that if, you know, if your phone breaks, you go to the fucking mall and get a new cell phone. All that stuff's wonderful. It's not bad. But the other stuff is fantastic, too. And we're disconnected. A giant percentage of our population lives in these urban environments that have a complete and total disconnect from the actual life on earth Yeah, like life on earth is not just urban environments life on earth has this broad

spectrum of different ways it manifests itself and to Experience all these different ones to be in Alberta and see black bears in the wild to, to be, you know, in Colorado and see mule deer and be in the woods and the mountains and to be around these different animals. It's a different, it's a different understanding of, of the actual existence that living things have here on earth, that living things that share the air you breathe and the water you drink and the earth itself. That was the, that was the best part of that trip because we would split up. Adam would go one way. I would go another way in the morning. I'd have Mark Womack with me.

He'd have Jameson was his cameraman's name would go with him. And the best part was at the end of the day hearing what everybody saw. Not if you killed something because we didn't i mean we were there a long time and didn't kill very much but just what everybody saw you know from the bucks being locked up that were dead to uh one morning we we were up and uh heard something a commotion up ahead of us and mark mark says oh it's a buck rubbing his antlers and i listened for a second. I said, no, that's two bucks fighting. So we took off up the hill and I got 25 yards away

and these bucks were just going at it, just fighting, pushing each other around. And I couldn't get a clear shot, didn't get up there in time to do that, but that story. And then Adam would say, well, he called in three fox. He did, he did a varmint call and three fox came running in. Or he saw this many wild boars. Or he was close to getting a giant fallow buck. And however, it didn't work out. And then I would share a story about what I saw, you know, about another brown snake or something like that. And that was so fun just getting together over the campfire

not talking about what we killed but just what we saw and experienced yeah you know and it's you know i was flew home last night and just got in this morning to la and i'm looking around the airport i was thinking about all the people i wonder how many actually would get me? Because I feel like an outsider a little bit, especially coming back from a hunt, and I'm just looking at everybody thinking, I don't get them, they probably don't get me. But you at least understand what they're doing. I think.

When I was checking my luggage in, I was a flu virgin coming back from Sydney to L.A., and the lady there at the check-in, she's like, what's in that case? And I said, it's a bow. A weapon? I go, could be, yeah. Yeah, it's a bow and arrow. What were you doing?

I said, hunting. And she goes, what were you hunting? Oh, don't tell me. Don't tell me. She didn't even want to hear it. Did she have leather shoes on we'll be hunting oh don't tell me don't tell me she didn't want to hear it i'm like i have leather shoes on i was like i was hunting buffalo she's like there's buffalo here i said well not here but yeah there's there's a lot of buffalo in australia and uh she's like i don't think you can fly with a bow and arrow and i'm like i don't think you've looked into it

yeah you can i said it's just like i said it's not even like a firearm weapon type thing. It's just, you just check it in just normal. But anyway, I was thinking, I was like, oh man, that's. How old was this lady? Oh, she wasn't old. She's younger than me probably. I mean, but. I don't think you can fly with a bow and arrow.

Yeah. Why was she telling you that? I don't know. can fly with a bow and arrow. Yeah. Why was she telling you that? I don't know. She never looked into that. I said, I go, well, I ended up, didn't have to do anything. She said, you're going to have to sign all this stuff because they're not allowed. And I'm just like, I said, listen, I fly with this all over the world. Does this lady work there?

Yeah. A virgin. Oh, she didn't know? No. Oh, that's hilarious. So she said they're way more strict which maybe they are virgin is more strict that's what she said she goes i said well i just flew quantus to darwin and back and nobody said a word i said and i've she goes have you ever been in australia before

with it i said yeah i said i've listened i've been everywhere it's never an issue trust me i'm not trying to believe i mean just trust me so anyway but yeah it's just it's just there's times when i'm just like god am i the outsider or or what i don't know well you know it's like we were talking before this when we were on the way over here about a show that wanted me to come on and talk about guns but there's going to be like a large audience and there's going to be a bunch of people on the panel and you talk for seven minutes and you go to commercial break. And I'm like, I'm not interested. I'm not interested in doing that because I think that it's a long conversation that you have to have with someone. And it takes a while for you to understand their

point of view. It takes a while for them to understand your point of view. It takes a while to establish the fact that you're a very reasonable person and this is a very nuanced conversation much like when that guy in france ran over a bunch of people with his truck i don't think the truck should be outlawed i think the real issue is human beings that are capable of doing horrible shit why crazy people right why are they capable of doing that let's get to the bottom of that and let's stop ignoring all the factors and just concentrating only on the weapon right that kind of conversation is a long conversation i think takes hours and hours and you still might not get to the bottom of it right that's how i feel about

like you talking to someone about hunting yeah like if you came over here it's almost like i don't even want to tell them like if someone says like that you have a bow like what's in the case it's a bow and arrow what do you do i practice archery yeah it's easier that way i like to shoot at targets oh your target shooting oh that's cool that's in the olympics yep it's in the olympics yeah yeah except my targets they move and they have antlers yeah i know well you can't tell them that it's i know i i think i'm just like it takes too long yeah it does but i don't know i don't i think i'm i just don't like hiding who i am basically so i'm always i just say hey this is what i do so yeah she's like don't tell me i'm like i was hunting buffalo i'm telling you i don't

care they're an invasive species no they live there you're gonna hear you're gonna hear what i was doing whether you like it or not. Nobody wants to hear it. It's kind of like with my social media. I like putting up stuff so I can weed the people out. Right. You know, like holding the buffalo head in the water. I'm like, okay, this is going to weed out some of the people who I really don't want here anyway. Right.

They're going to get mad at you for sure, but they would get mad anyway. Yeah. way right they're gonna get mad at you for sure but they would get mad anyway yeah and there's a lot of people that listen to these conversations and they get a perspective that they would have never had like there's a lot of people right now that are listening that are in their car that are on their you know on the bus or whatever and they got the headphones on and they're thinking about this in a way that they never thought about it before because in their mind they have because of the fact they live in these urban environments and they've never been exposed to hunting and they get all their meat from a store or from a supermarket or from a restaurant

they they just never heard anybody talk about it yeah and this is a it's a weird part of our life it's a it's a dangerous disconnect i think with life and death the dangerous disconnect of restaurants and supermarkets well here's here's thing. I think people just get tuned in to what they're interested in and that's it. I mean, even Instagram does it. So on the explore page or whatever that is, what comes up is what you look at. Yeah. So it comes up on my page is like hunting and fitness. Yeah. And that's, so it's all all that so whatever you're looking at whether it's gay guys or or cooking that's what's good that's what that's your world so that's sort of what our world is now is we only we're only exposed to really what we want to be exposed to you know

and that's why i'm like no i'm hunting buffalo i want that lady to be exposed to something different right right right so i i don't know it's just um it's confirmation i don't really know what my point is but it's it's what you're saying makes a whole lot of sense is that people do they find these communities with like-minded people and becomes an echo chamber yeah yeah they're preaching to the choir yeah and that goes all the way back to like a million hours ago it feels like since we've been talking about why that netflix thing is so appealing to me and having you involved it's just because we've reached so many new people and hunting is so it's so important to me and i think i mean just the just people can understand what motivates us and why it's

important i just want that just want that shown right you know shared right but there's definitely a way to do it and i don't know where we should go i mean whether it's um the buffalo place or somewhere else but i think it's a great idea to do no steve rannellis show net is on netflix now yeah and it has one star it does yeah people are so angry they find it and they fuck you shouldn't have to eat meat you get everything you want from celery yeah people get uh they get super super aggro you know you want to make people really angry tell them tell them that there's a growing body of science that shows that plants are intelligent yeah yeah plants think they feel they scream and all that fucking freak out like babies or you don't even have to say that this justifies eating meat just put that no when i put that on twitter just the the data about that and people will fucking go crazy and attack me for hunting yeah or if you talk about all the

animals that die when they're when their salad's being made you know i mean so you know so it's different whatever they they put they prioritize or put different importance on you know that we've talked about that too well they feel like they're doing a good thing. I think so. And they are in many ways. Look, if you're eschewing factory farming, you're avoiding factory farming and eating more salads and eating, you know, farm-to-table vegetables instead, you are definitely contributing to less death and suffering, 100%. Yeah. But you're contributing to some. Yeah. You just are.

If you eat grain, you're contributing to, first of all, what do you care about? Do you care about insects? Like, where do you draw the line? Yeah. Because if you don't care about insects, well, then you're okay. But if you do, if you think that insects are life, well, there's pesticides. They're fucking, they're, it's a holocaust every day out there.

Yeah. Fucking bugs. Yeah. They're spraying those goddamn things constantly. I mean, if you, if you want to have a healthy crops, there's a reason why they have these pesticides. Yeah. It's because they want to kill these animals that are trying to eat the crops, kill these little bugs. Well, and I don't know.

I just keep going back to this recent trip just because I think about it. And it's just like, here's another example. So the brown snakes up there are second most deadly. And we saw a number of brown snakes in the road while we were driving. Adam swerves around them. To try to not kill them. Not kill them. He wants them to stay alive.

Yeah. Big spider he had crawling on his face. I saw that thing. Why did he let that thing crawl on his face? I don't know. Because he's Australian. Just a different breed of human. But not killing. thing grow on his face i don't know because he's australian just different breed of human but not killing is that on his instagram uh it was yeah it is somewhere see adam dot green tree dot bow hunting no he changed it to just adam green tree adam dot

green tree why oh i don't know the bow hunting part i think it was too confusing yeah maybe i don't think he's worried about that at all. I don't know. Angry people. Boy, that guy seems immune to hate. Yeah. He's a great guy. He is.

But he is sensitive, too. I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's not like we're just cold-blooded killers. Right. You know what I mean? There was one time we didn't have an argument, but I, I didn't believe him about something.

And he was so upset. He's like, I, he goes, I'm brutally honest. You know? And he's like mad that I didn't believe him. So it's not,

it's like, he's a warm hearted person. He's not just a, uh, not running over snakes and killing. He's not a robot. No killing robot no no no and so people think that we're just these these cold-blooded killers out there barbaric or whatever no no i feel like and i don't want to judge people who aren't but i feel like we are just we understand

the circle of life better yeah i don't know well you're definitely more accustomed to being around it you're definitely exposed to it yeah yeah you know i think like i said i i have friends that are vegans i know a lot of vegans and people think that for some reason i hate vegans i i mock a lot of things i make fun of things that are that are targets and a lot of like the proselytizing nature of vegans and the, the angry self-righteous moral high ground stance that they take. It's easy to mock. It's right there. Yeah.

It's easy. And I think, I think most of the people that do it, they do it for good reasons. Most of the, the, the, you know,

trying the lifestyle and eating that way. Yeah. But there's also health problems with it, you know, and people don't like you saying that either. I know a lot of people that have tried it and they give up after a while because they bought it. My friend Sophie from the comedy store, she just started eating eggs again. Yeah.

For the longest time, she was just trying to just go straight vegan. She kept getting her blood work back and it wasn't healthy. Actually, she wasn't the blood work. Sam Harris was the blood work guy. He went vegan for a while, but his blood work was and it wasn't healthy or um actually she wasn't she wasn't the blood work sam harris was the blood work guy he went vegan for a while but his blood work was all fucked up so he started eating fish and eggs and yeah it's like there's people that but different bodies are more adaptable to different kinds of diets and some people just don't do well on an all plant-based diet and maybe they're not as disciplined as some folks maybe they're not doing it right yeah i don't know yeah it's hard to say but everybody's everybody's

different but i don't think there's anything wrong with going out and killing animals and eating them and i think that's where we differ from a lot of people that think that you should not be allowed to do that you should not be allowed to do that. You should not be allowed because it's barbaric. I don't think it's barbaric. I think it's spiritual. And that's what freaks people out. They get very angry if you say that. But they wouldn't get angry if you talked about Native Americans doing it.

It's very interesting. And the thing is, the big difference is I don't care if they don't eat meat. I don't judge them for not eating meat. But they judge us for killing you know what i mean so it's pretty one-sided as far as they won't accept being a hunter and being self-sufficient while any hunter i know isn't going on vegan pages and and talking shit you know what i mean i mean so it's it's just weird how they're so hateful and so one side, you know, up on their soapbox. Yeah. And I don't feel like we do that.

Some people do it. I know there's going to be people that say, they're going to say, well, first of all, they can say, how many times am I going to be on here? As many times as he can come. There's a lot of other podcasts, folks. What's the record? Of most people on here? I don't know. For the most number of other podcasts, folks. What's the record? Of most people on here? I don't know. For the most number of repeat guests.

Somebody probably knows. I don't know. Probably Joey Diaz. Callan's probably pushing. Callan? Yeah, Callan. All the fight companions and everything. Eddie Bravo.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And then they'll say, talk about more boring hunting shit. That's fine. I know. You don't have to listen folks a lot i do a lot of podcasts i got one later today with jordan peterson i guarantee you we're not going to be talking about hunting what's that who's that he's a professor at the university of toronto

he might hunt he might i don't think he does that uh he hunts liberals but he um one of the things is about um what we were talking about earlier that we were saying that people sort of find their area and it becomes like an echo chamber yeah and i think that's one of the issues with with whether it's veganism or even hunting is that i think that people they need to be have these dialogues with people that don't necessarily agree with them right so they can find out how the other person thinks yep and you know you know, if you are talking to a person who's a hunter and you find out that they're actually just a cruel psychopath, like, fuck, man, I wouldn't want to hang out with that guy.

I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I know they must be out there. Hell yeah, probably. So if you were sitting across from them having a— There's freaks in everything. In everything, yeah. And you were having a conversation with someone like that, I mean, it would be disturbing. But I think that most people that are, especially people like yourself or a guy like Remy Warren or Steve Rinella,

very well-spoken, who is also an advocate for conservation, loves wildlife. If they sat down and had a long-form conversation like this with someone who's a reasonable person, who's a vegan for all the right reasons, who's a vegan because they care about life and because they want to be cruelty free and they want to live life with as little footprint as possible. Yeah. I think they'd be surprised at how much common ground they find. Yeah. I mean, if you, if, if anybody spent a day in the woods with Remy or Adam, they'd be shocked at how much, not hunting

they know, just how much they know about the environment, about where they're hunting, about different species, about the animals and tendencies and foliage. And I mean, those guys are amazing. Yeah. And I think that almost like we're talking about like with the Aborigines where we're kind of losing their culture. We're losing out on an understanding of how these people lived. There's a little bit of that could be said about the culture of hunting. Is that if it goes away and if it, there was a trend about 10, maybe 15, 20 years ago.

Where, from what I've read, at least, obviously, I'm pretty new to it. I've only been hunting for five years, but that they were considerably worried. They were really worried. There was a real thought that the next few generations, that hunting was going to dwindle down to such a low number that hunters would not have the same sort of impact in terms of politically, where they could affect the retaining of public lands.

Yeah. And which is a huge issue with Americans today. And you're seeing it with this Trump administration, where you're seeing the erosion of the Environmental Protection Agency and the erosion of the status, the protected status, that some national monuments have and perhaps public lands have, people are super nervous. And you had a conversation, a long conversation with Jason Chaffetz, who had a very controversial bill that he had out that was pulled back.

It was a bill to sell off public land that was pulled back because of the activism of hunters and people care Yeah, it was a it was what they deter what they were gonna Determine was disposable. Yeah three million acres. Yeah disposal. Well, that was that was HR 621 And then there's HR 622 also, so there's two of them kind of back-to-back different 622 Just took away the law enforcement on public lands which and and they wanted to take it from the the federal government um to and give it to the state which people think that's just a way where the states can say well we can't afford it so we're gonna

have to sell this public land exactly um because it's a resource and and the states have to the states have to balance their budget every year federal government doesn't so if the state has to balance its budget and it's not penciling out and they can sell x amount of acres and that's going to help they're going to do that that's all there is to it so um yeah that is there's also wildfire protection oh yeah yeah i mean there's a bunch of issues fighting wildfires is all it's a federal issue but if it's private land if the state sells it all that shit's gone yeah there's no more federal protection yeah and you look at um i don't know it's uh that's a big one and so sportsman's really stepped up and that was through social media

how they can. Now we have more of a voice than we've ever had. You know, before it was just these politicians making decisions and, you know, the little us little people didn't really have a say. Now we have a say. I mean, Jason Chaffetz, you'd think, well, why would he care? You'd look at his Instagram page. He might have, you know, i don't think he has 20 000 whereas we have pretty big numbers especially you so if you mention something about it he gets

overwhelmed with hey are you looking out for us are you doing the right thing by us we won't vote you in next time and so then it makes those guys think holy shit well did you see his town hall meeting? Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. It's all sportsmen and sportswomen showed up and all people that care about public lands. And they went crazy. Yeah, that was kind of a go-rope.

Yeah, I had mixed feelings on that because the yelling and stuff doesn't. At least it sends a very clear message that people are obsessed. It doesn't accomplish much as far as there. But yes, it sends a message for sure. Yeah, it's dangerous. And he's not going to be a politician anymore. No, I know. He's resigning.

And I don't know. I'm not sure. I haven't, you know, I see every once in a while he likes some of my stuff. So it's like. I hear he's going into male prostitution. That's what I heard. Is that true? Jamie, can you Google that? Iitution. That's what I heard. Is that true, Jamie? Can you Google that?

I just made that up. I know. Jason, if you're listening, I'm a comedian, and I'm sorry. Don't sue me. He seemed like a super nice guy, but it's- He's a politician. And I told him, I said, listen- Or at least he was.

I go, listen, you're the first politician I've ever met. And he's like, oh, you've lived a charmed life. Puzzled by Representative Chavit's decision to quit Congress. Yeah. I bet it's that fucking going to that town hall and having all those people screaming him. Probably thinking, what am I doing? Well, he's, you know, like I said, he seemed nice, but maybe that politicians have to be

personable. That's how they get elected. Of course. You know. You ever watch House of Cards? No, I haven't. Good show. You should watch it. Yeah. should watch it yeah freak you the out if it's really like that you should be scared we should all be scared so i'd like i'd like to learn more i haven't i haven't asked him you know what's going on or whatever but yeah i mean i was i liked the fact that he at least took

time out to talk about it you know instead of instead of just, I'm not sure why he did, but I appreciated the fact that he did. Well, he's an interesting guy because he saves money for the people by sleeping in his office. He has a cot in his office that he sleeps in to save money on hotel rooms for the people. So it's not like he's a total piece of shit. No, I didn't get that feeling. But Rinella has a very bad opinion of him based on his record with defending public land. And Rinella thinks that he does not understand the significance of these decisions. they are a step in the wrong direction that will snowball out of control and it will eventually lead to privatizing of public lands and the loss of the access to them by the american people that

you know was all set aside by teddy roosevelt and all those people that had such great insight right foresight back in the day yeah and that's you know that was the worry with he says well no i'm just taking the law enforcement away um these lands and get, or not taking it away, but giving it to the state. And like I said, with the whole budget thing, so people were thinking that when they don't have enough money, not just for the law enforcement, but for enforcing illegal timber harvest and dumping trash. And so when all that happens, that, that lessens the value of the land. lessens the value of the land so when the value of the land is lessened then it's just like okay

whatever this is a garbage dump anyway right so it makes it easier so they thought that was just a step in the transition of moving taking that away from public land and privatizing it so that's right now his opinion and maybe maybe it was I don't know know. Well, he seemed like, Jason seemed like a very nice guy when you were interviewing him. I don't know enough about that particular issue. But when you talk to a guy like Ronell, who is deeply invested in it

and very well read on it, he is of the opinion 100% that it's an incredibly negative idea. Both HR 621, which is gone, and 622, which he thinks is equally negative. And he thinks it's essentially like a Trojan horse. Right. And that's, and I told him, that's what I said too, is I said, you know, sportsmen don't support 622 either. Do girls get mad when you call it

sportsmen? Probably. Is there another word? Outdoors people? Sports people? You can't say sports people. You're like, what? Lacrosse players? I'm so sick of that. Are you? It's because you're a man. Your male privilege is showing. Son of a bitch. I thought it was white privilege.

That too. Oh. You got to have it all. American privilege, white privilege, cisgender privilege. Peanut butter and jelly, racist. Yeah, peanut butter and jelly is racist. I didn't even know what that was about all i saw was your post and the headline i'm just like it didn't surprise me though people think the

peanut butter jelly is racist this is how deep it gets because white people eat peanut butter and jelly whereas black people don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly so to have peanut butter and jelly as a food choice in school for kids is racist because other ethnic groups don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly what in the fuck well first of all who doesn't like peanut butter and jelly uh some communists i think maybe chinese folks yeah hunters probably don't yeah that guy from that movie that molested that girl yeah who

North Koreans maybe maybe the most evil ones maybe they don't like peanut butter and jelly probably I don't know it's ridiculous that's delicious food choice people are just working too hard to be offended that's you're exactly 100% correct right there people are working too hard to be offended.

Yeah, there's a lot of folks out there that are just looking for something to get ticked off at. It's too easy. It's too easy to get by. And I think that's also something that happens when life is too fucking easy. Yeah. There's not enough struggle. We were talking about kids and about putting your kids through difficult things so they understand accomplishing goals and they understand how things aren't easy

you have to struggle through stuff and how it's hard today because you know you're doing well i'm doing well our kids are fine you know they don't have to worry about where food's coming from it's going to be there you open the fridge there's the food yeah you know so you have to figure out like okay how do you get this kid to understand and appreciate the value of a difficult task, overcoming that difficult task and feeling that good feeling that you have of building character and of, and knowing, yeah, I can push through something like you had to do during that tough hunt. Very difficult, questioning yourself, then finally success.

And then you have that good feeling. The good feeling of success and of accomplishment and of realizing that you will fight those demons in your mind and that you will stay the course and keep hammering as it were and get through on the other end

with success. And you've done it before and even though you've been doing it for fucking decades, those questions still come to your mind. For me personally personally that's why i work as hard as i do just because you get wake-up calls like that and you're just like okay i got to be on my a-game well it's one of the reasons why i like doing really difficult things which leads me to what you've got me into is running yeah i've been fucking running lately. I run all the time now, man. I run fucking hills. It's crazy. I run hills. I put a backpack on with a weight plate on. I fucking

walk hills. I'm like, what am I doing? How often are you running? Several days a week. Really? Yeah. Depending on whether or not I'm home. Like that route that we did. Yep. I do that route. And I also do that steep hill near my house. Yeah. I do that. There's a couple of different routes that I go. How's it, I mean, mean is it easier than easier but it still sucks a fat dick that's what i was about to say that's like that's running hey that could be a shirt running sucks a fat dick but i love it whoops it's it's it's it's definitely slightly easier yeah but though you you remember that fucking steep steep hill once you get to the bottom yeah and then you go back up that's awesome that's it is awesome but it is always hard yeah there's no it's never easy yeah when i'm getting to the top of

that thing but i can make it all the way up to the top now i don't have to stop yeah really yeah i can make oh that's good yeah that's awesome it's fucking brutal yeah i made sure that i could get there fuck it's hard and but you you did mention that it has helped your cardio and other things dude well that's one thing that i noticed like i didn't i didn't uh kickbox for a couple of weeks because i've been too busy doing other stuff and i wanted to keep with the running because i was getting some accomplishment. I was getting some progress out of it. I was seeing progress. And then I started going back into some of my other workouts. It didn't affect my weightlifting at all, my kettlebell workouts at all.

But man, kickboxing, it really affected it. It affected it a real positive way because I'm doing all hills. So I'm basically sprinting a lot. Yeah. Your heart rate's just all hills. Yeah. So I'm basically sprinting a lot. Yeah. Your heart rate's jacked. Spiked. Yeah. Yeah.

And so when I was, I was doing rounds on the bag the other day, I was like, Jesus, I got a lot of wind. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. That's awesome. Yeah. I was like deep into like the third and fourth round and I was still slamming the bag and I was like, this is weird.

Like I've got like an extra gear here. Did, have you dropped any weight? Yeah. I've dropped a few pounds i'm probably like somewhere between 194 196 where i was i was hovering around 200 but i've dropped down before just by my diet yeah got shitty again got shitty again when i went to mexico i gained like eight pounds in a week in mexico yeah beer Beer and Mexican food. That's not good. That's not good for weight control. That's weird. It's definitely not. Tastes good though. Yeah. Well, I haven't been doing

jujitsu very much. When I do jujitsu a lot, I fucking, the weight just flies off. I can eat anything. I could eat a horse, but it's, uh, jujitsu is just so calorie intensive. Yeah. You know what I mean? The way it burns. Yeah. You just fighting for your life. Well, what's, uh, jujitsu is just so calorie intensive. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. The way it burns. Just grinding it out. You're just fighting for your life. Well, what's, what's your running goal? Um, I don't have a running goal. I just, I'm definitely going to keep doing it and keep getting in better shape.

Yeah. And then if something, if I decide, okay, I need something to strive for. Yeah. Then here's my goal. Okay. I'm going to do the keep hammering strive for, then here's my goal. Okay. I'm going to do the keep hammering 5K next year and fucking kick ass at it. There you go. Instead of this year when I did it where I was like, oh, Jesus, this is hard.

Zero running. How about this guy? Almost 25 seconds short of the two-hour marathon barrier. So crazy. He did break the world record, though. That's so fast. He broke the new world record two hours and 20 seconds 25 seconds i believe it was so he was only 25 seconds short of breaking what people

think is this unattainable record that's insane he'll break it or someone like somebody oh somebody will yeah but it's so close so nike is apparently like maybe Maybe you will. Yeah, I don't think so. I'm not built like that guy. They're all built the same way. I know. They're all built like popsicle sticks. I said it was super humid when he was running this, too. It was like 70% humidity, which isn't ideal.

No, that's high. So it's like breathing hot water. That's high. Well, that probably could have been the 20 seconds, right? Oh, for sure. Maybe they could do that in Seattle in the winter. Of course he was running on his in Milan, I guess. There's an article I just read yesterday. I think it was on TechCrunch

maybe or Wired. Somebody like a writer for there was trying to break a half marathon and he wanted to see if he could break a 90 minute or half marathon. And it's his first time running on that course and he broke it by two and a half minutes. There's something special about that course too. It's like a mile and a half track.

I don't know why you'd be able to run faster necessarily there, but you can. And those shoes they made, too. What's the deal with the shoes? Something super special, training. I don't know exactly. You can't buy them yet. You can only win them off a raffle for now. If you had Under Armour, he would have won.

That's it. Maybe. You may have those Keep Hammerin' shoes. If you had the Under Armour Keep Hammerin' shoes that you could get at UnderArmour.com. Can you get your Keep Hammerin' shoes? Can you buy them anywhere? I don't think so. What the fuck, Under Armour?

Get on the ball. And you can't buy my three-button shirt I always wear either. Yeah, well, that's a rare thing, a shirt with buttons. You should keep that away from the public. It's super important. We are, I don't know when it's going to be released, but the Cameron Haynes line is coming out. Yeah, the Cameron Haynes Under Armour UA Hunt line. Yeah, yeah.

Awesome. And you're going to have a say in how it's designed. Oh, yeah. It's awesome. The boots are amazing. Yeah? Yeah. Beautiful.

Beautiful. Boots, camo shorts, pants, base layer, hoodie, jacket. It's killer. And when is this all this stuff? You don't know when it's coming out? No, I don't know. But they're in the development stage right now? Yeah, I think they texted me when I was in Australia and said they have samples in for me.

Well, it was awesome when you took over the UA Hunt page on Instagram. You're going to do more of that now, right? Because I talked to Brian Offit. Brian, we're going to get on the ball with this. Yeah, I mean, when I took it over, the week that I took over, there was, so if you look at impressions on Instagram, it went up 3 million. That seems like a good thing, Brian. Isn't it?

Are we waiting for a response? Looking at Brian Offit. Here? Looking at him in the camera. Brian, what's up? You can look at him up there. Oh, what's up? You can look at him up there. Oh, what's up? Yeah, so, no.

And when Adam took it over, when we were on that Australia hunt, it went up like, they went from, what was it? 493,000 to 502,000 followers. So, pretty good jump. Yeah, that's a good jump. Yeah. I posted it on instagram too yeah and it's just a matter of putting out interesting content yeah well that's what i was saying like the instagram story was nice but i would have really loved it if you guys were

street if there was a way to stream like more often like you had like very specific moments where you're streaming yeah and i think that as technology advances especially did you see what elon musk is trying to do? He's trying to fill the world with one gigabyte internet. What he's going to do is launch satellites into the air that's going to allow people to have, one gigabyte is fucking insanely fast. And if that happens, you can stream live from anywhere. But say goodbye to privacy, by the way. There's going to be drones filming people fucking right outside their window.

It's going to get really crazy. Live. But what's going to be interesting is you can be in a place like where you were, and you could call people from your phone, you could film things, you could stream live, and all that stuff would be available, and you would have real internet access in the bush.

And that's what people like that, I mean, they're already asking, when's a film coming out? We filmed this, Mark Womack, his company, Sub 7 filmed it for Under Armour, and we're like, we gotta turn this thing around fast, and I saw Under Armour put out this that's gonna come out in the fall, and I'm like, fall? Fuck that, Under Armour.

Bullshit. Listen. Let's get this out. It's fucking May. No, people like, I mean, Chop, chop. People don't have patience mean, people don't have patience anymore. I don't have patience anymore. I don't either. I would like you to finish the sentence quicker, please. I saw Mark Womack.

We got off the plane together in L.A. here. And I'm like, hey, you get that movie done or what? On the plane. Yeah. He said he was working. He had been editing. So I'm like, all right, let's get that thing posted. So I don't know.

I mean, people are primed for it right now. They follow along and are super invested in it. And it'd be awesome to get it out quick. Listen, I'm your manager now. So I'm going to make some calls. We've already decided. We're going to make things happen quicker. Yeah.

You got me running. You got me doing a lot of shit, dude. You got me doing a lot of things that I didn't think I'd be doing. Oh, that's awesome. So I owe you. Well, good. gonna make some i owe you too for uh for giving me this to talk about platforms well listen i really do think that it's made a big impact and i think you and ranella and remy warren and adam and the people that i've had on and jim shock, you know, real representatives of the noble pursuit. The real, like, hardcore enthusiasts that truly have a deep love of nature. And they're giving these people this platform and giving these people this way to communicate these ideas.

I think the millions and millions of people that have listened to you guys, it's changed perception. And I think that perception, there's a ripple effect. to some of these books on tape or maybe you know look into aldo leopold or look into some of these people that have really been these huge figures in conservation and of the love of wildlife and hunting and they'll get a different understanding of it than people have had because of movies like that split movie where the hunters are portrayed as a child molester well it's like right now you know they you said hunting was dying or you know that that was the fear and now they're like and my instagram page is 20 year old guys you know that are into it and are buying bows and the bow rack back home is packed and you know eva shocky and i

will do appearances and we have a line that goes for hours, you know, young girls waiting for her because she's a hunter, you know, and her book coming out, taking aim is about that lifestyle. So, I mean, I feel like we're sort of turning the corner maybe a little bit. And so we just keep that momentum going. I think for sure it's turning the corner. I mean, as far as what I see in the communication that I get with people online, I mean, the bow rack, are they experiencing an upjump in sales? Yeah, I mean, Wayne, the other day, I can't even remember what day it was, but he sold something like 40 bows. In a day?

In a day. That's crazy. Yeah. That's like, for folks who don't know, that's like $50,000 plus in bows in a day. And bows are a specialized thing. It's not something that people, you know, it's a very, there's a steep learning curve to get involved. You know, like we were talking about it, about if there was a Hoyt Academy in California, if there's a place to go. There's not a whole lot of places to go.

Like when you took Scott Eastwood, you went to that place down in Riverside? Riverside Archery. Is that what it was? There's a few great places like that, but there's 30 million people here and there might be five of those spots. You know, I would love it if Hoyt had a place where ideally they had more than one place, you know, where people could go and you would get fitted. They would find out what's your proper draw length. You know, what weight should you start at? What weight arrows should you start at? Someone could teach you what the proper form is, how to release an arrow correctly. Yeah.

And really understand, I mean, even if someone never wants to hunt, just understand the meditative and beautiful effect of just launching an arrow at a target and have it hit that X. The Witchery of Archery. Witchery? Yeah. Is it witchery? That's a book. Oh, really?

Or The Witchcraft of Archery. Or Zen and the Art of Archery is a great book as well. I think that's a book, The Witchcraft of Archery. Does it? Look that up. I'm almost positive I read it. Really? Mm that up. I'm almost positive I read it. Really? Mm-hmm.

Jamie, come on. Help me out. You're leaving me hanging. I definitely... The Witchcraft of Archery. Is it? No? Yes.

Nope. Yes. Come on. It's probably only one copy. Guy handed it to you. I'm going to look it up. I wrote this. Oh, you don't believe him.

Wow. The Witchcraft of Archery. Here we go. Witchcraft of Archery. Witchcraft plus archery. Classes. Book. It's not looking good, is it?

Archery. Witchcraft. Pagan. Sports and the Witch. Spellwork. Oh, no. Nope. Not looking good.

It's not looking good. The witchcraft of archers something like that hmm all right interesting okay just can we edit this part out no the sorcery of archery yeah it's a beautiful discipline I mean even if someone never chooses and honestly if you really want to get into hunting just straight-up hunting you of archery yeah it's it's a beautiful discipline i mean even if someone never chooses and honestly if you really want to get into hunting just straight up hunting you probably start with a rifle anyway it's a far easier way to do it no no don't say that or wear earplugs if you do do it you don't want to blow your ears out yeah for sure another problem that i'm running into is a lot of people have been hunting for a good portion a portion of their life yeah have bad hearing i know my ears ring all the time from when i rifle hunted that's crazy when i was just a kid because i used

to go shoot my 300 winchester magnum up at the rock pit i mean this thing was so loud i used to love shooting and i was like oh you're a pussy if you were i mean nobody wore hearing protection that crazy it's just like nobody wore bike helmets either you know what i mean right so it's the same type of thing but now my ears just ring. All the time? Yeah, all the time. That shows your taste in music. That's why.

Why? That's why I listen to some of your Instagram stories. I listen to the music you're listening to. I'm like, Jesus Christ. No, that's good music. Oh, his ears are ringing. When your ears are ringing, it sounds better. What, the country or the rap or what?

Some of the rap you're listening to. No, the rap or what some of the rap you listened to no the rap is good me and adam listened we drove drove to sydney for two hours and i think we listened to uh kendrick lamar uh his new song like probably 20 times wow in a row yes did you guys like sing the words along and like look out the window we still don't really know. Did you guys sing the words along? Sort of. We still don't really even know. Did you sing the N-words? Did you sing along with the N-word? Or do you guys get silent during that part? We just kind of...

That's a funny thing, man, with white people. Like, what are we supposed to do? What are we supposed to do when it gets to that part of the song? I know. It's called Be Humble. Oh, Be Humble. That's a song. No, that's a song. Oh. Be Humble. Oh, Be Humble. That's a song. No, that's a song.

Oh. Be Humble. And then Be Humble 2 when the N word comes up. Just to realize. It's actually Be Humble Bitch Be Humble. Oh, really? Yeah.

It's a good one. That's a mixed message. Do you know that one, Jamie? Yeah, yeah. I was going to ask you how they liked that new album down in Australia. With the Kendrick Lamar?

Yeah, the Kendrick, yeah. Yeah. Did he know about it until you brought it up to him? Well, no, he made fun of me always putting my music on the Insta story. That you used rap a lot? No. You like a lot of rap, though. Yeah, and country.

That's kind of what I listen to. But then he had this song, and I'm like, okay, hey, where the hell do you think you learned this song from? From me. And what did he say? I don't know. He probably lied. Are what did he say? I don't know. I made something up. We probably lied. Are there any Australian rappers?

I think there are. Not that anybody knows, but I remember we had the radio on down there, and there was some rap on there that I had no idea what it was, so it has to be from there. Well, there's so many different rappers now, though. There's no way you could know all the stuff it's like we've reached a weird saturation point with music where there is no god i mean every year they're coming out with new music yeah i know but i mean you get used to the certain sounds or

certain styles and this was like something i had never i've listened to a lot i was in brazil you were in brazil with me yeah uh but one time. I was in Brazil. You were in Brazil with me. Yeah. But one time when I was in Brazil, I was listening to some rap music, some Brazilian rap. I was like, this is badass. Yeah. I hope what they're saying isn't stupid. Because I don't understand Portuguese, but it sounds badass.

Yeah. It's a great... I think it would be great to work out to. Yeah. You don't know what... It's not as distracting. Right. Like if their lyrics are corny.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know., it's not as distracting. Right. Like if their lyrics are corny. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But I think there is Australian rap, but it's not Kendrick Lamar. Be humble. Iggy.

Iggy Azalea is the. Oh. Right now. Yeah. But Iggy Azalea. She's from there. She's from Australia. Oh. She's white.

White privilege. Don't they have any black people over there? They do, right? But expats. American expats sneak over there. Yeah, I'm not sure. Okay. That's one of the few places I would live outside of America.

Yeah. Like if the shit hit the fan. That's nice there. Canada and Australia. Those are my spots. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, Sydney traffic is ridiculous, though. They fucking drive on the wrong side of the road. They're all confused. Yeah, that's cool. I mean, Sydney traffic is ridiculous, though. You know why? They fucking drive on the wrong side of the road. They're all confused.

They're over on the left, like, what are you doing over here? Go over there. Go over there. Let's switch this around. Everybody. That's probably why it's all messed up. Yeah, like, look, the roads are in place. Everything, the gut road's in the right spot. They're driving on the other side. Yeah, simple fix. Yeah, simple fix.

How is Sydney so traffic-filled? I mean, how many people live in Sydney? Five side. Yeah. Simple fix. Yeah. Simple fix. How is Sydney so traffic filled? I mean, how many people live in Sydney? 5 million. Whoa. That's crazy. Yep. 5 million. That's crazy. No. Okay. Think of that because there's 30 million people in all of Australia, right? Or is it less? I think it's a little less. Probably less. Okay. Let's say it's 20 million. So it's that would be like if there was 75 million in Los Angeles. Yeah, no percentage of more than that. Yeah, it'd be more be like 80 million There's 80 million people just in Los Angeles. Yeah There's only like like a few big city. I mean like Melbourne

There's only like a few big cities. I mean, Melbourne, or I probably said it wrong. 23.78 million in all of Australia. And five are in Sydney. Jesus Christ, that's crazy. 25% of the entire population. It's a beautiful city, though. I love it.

Sydney's really awesome. Yeah. No, it's great. It's just we were going to go to the bow shop, and I said, you know, I go to the bow shops in Sydney, right? He's like, yeah. I said, how long is it going to take to get there? So we did said, you know, I go to the bow shops in Sydney, right? He's like, yeah. I said, how long is it going to take to get there? So we did it on the MapQuest thing or whatever. An hour. I said, this is like L.A.

This sucks. An hour. It's in the same city. I didn't expect that. Well, up there in Eugene, everything is fine. You don't have to worry about shit up there. You got two lane roads. There's no cars.

If you don't make it through one traffic light cycle, you're what the hell is going on wait this is bullshit yeah well you get used to a place like that man you know and life it's nice and calm and it feels different like life feels different in a small town it's like there's a i feel like this is some woo-woo spiritual bullshit that i have no uh no science behind whatsoever a, I feel like this is some woo-woo spiritual bullshit that I have no science behind whatsoever. Okay. But I feel like people give off energy. And I feel like cities, whether or not something's happened or not, the amount of humans in there, there's a certain amount of energy that you feel. And when you're in a smaller town, you're calmer.

Yeah. I really believe that. I feel like there's less. And I don't think it's just the activity, just cars. And I think it's the actual amount of humans in an area. Like there's some sort of a psychic energy that they give off. You're not buying it. I don't know.

Jamie's not buying it either. But maybe the Witchery of Archery. Ha ha. Maurice Thompson. I knew it. I have that book. 1878. Wow. See? What is witchery? Is that a real word? Witchery, ha ha! Maurice Thompson, I knew it. I have that book. 1878, wow.

See? What is witchery? Is that a real word? I told you. I was right. Thank you. You were right. I'm redeemed. Five out of five stars in Barnes & Noble.

It's a good book. Wow. So it's in Barnes & Noble? Yes. Can I get it on a Kindle? Find out if I can get it on a Kindle. Yeah. Witchery of archery.

Speaking of a whole different, I don't know what you just said, but I'll be in my cubicle tomorrow. No, you won't. You got to quit that job, dude. Today? Yeah. Should I just call right now? Let me call for you. Oh, yeah.

You're my manager. Yeah, I'm your manager. Kindle. Nice. $5.99. I'm getting it. Thank you. you thank you young jamie the witchery of archery and if my fucking kindle and i try to enter it in it's like nope nothing exists i'm like listen bitch i've already gone through this all right yeah it's it's so crazy that you keep a full-time job it's just uh i don't understand how you do it and that's also where a lot of people that get involved in hunting, the amount of time that it takes.

Like people don't have the time. Like I was listening to Jason Carter on some podcast. He was talking about pursuing one individual buck for like two weeks. Yeah. And I was like, who the fuck has two weeks to go after one animal? Like this is crazy. Who's got that kind of time? Only like a real people pro type character

yeah yeah yeah that's you know it it takes time i mean it's just even just the dedication to to regular practice takes time for archery but that's the next level there's no i mean archery is uh it's it really is terms of hunting, it really is the ultimate pursuit. The ultimate in difficulty. But that's why I stop at the compound thing. People are like, you've got to try traditional archery. Compound archery is for pussies. Settle down.

Yeah. Enough is enough. How about kill it with a rock? How about you kill it with a rock like a cave person did? Why are you wearing shoes, pussy? Cave people didn't wear shoes. I was wondering. Yeah, I know. person did why are you wearing shoes pussy i was wondering people didn't wear shoes i was wondering yeah i know i was wondering how anybody would kill with a recurve where i was hunting because i said

my 245 feet per second bow was slow right that'd be super fast for a traditional bow oh yeah so i mean i could imagine with this deer they'd just i don't know it'd be very tough very tough the area that tree you probably could oh well they wouldn't know you were there yeah yeah but it sounds like the area you were in they were very unnaturally hyped up like they were unnaturally wired because they've been hunted by so many people i think they're just normally wired but when people kill them is when they're rutting you know and so they're distracted because they're it's a breeding season yeah so this is post rut those bucks are not even with does at all and they're you know just just tuned in yeah but during the rut it would it would be easier just be like hunting elk during the rut as opposed to not or hunting a dude at a club with a boner right

people get distracted i've never hunted a dude with a boner i'm glad i'm glad to hear that i was wondering i have questions sometimes i get i beat around the bush to get to the answer oh i got i got what you're doing right there yeah it is a this this it's funny how these different animals have like different seasons that they come into like the idea that only one time a year they breed. They're a mammal. It's not like a dog. Dogs want to fuck all the time.

But deer, one time a year, everything starts popping. Nature says, listen, this is how it works. You want to have a baby in the spring. There's a way to do this. You've got to do it in the fall. In the fall, you've got to get cracking. And then she's got to take some time to cook up that baby and drop that

baby in the spring and then good but it's bizarre yeah there's actually some bucks that were they call it croaking which is grunting because um they weren't really the full rut but some does that didn't get bred the first season if they don't get bred they come back into heat so some they we call them second cycle does. They were coming in. So the bucks, I mean, they'll do it whenever. They just got to wait for the female. So the bucks were actually still sort of rutting a little bit. We heard some croaking. So that was just for a full on. No, that was just a few does that hadn't been bred. Well, that's one of the coolest things about elk hunting. There's nothing like the rut.

When you hear elk screaming, like if the people have never experienced that before, even if you have no desire to hunt, please go to a place where elk live during the rut just to hear it. Because it is so wild. They're so loud. And the sound sounds like something

from the Lord of the Rings. It doesn't even seem real. And you're going to be in Utah this year. Oh, yeah. Remember that? We're going to Utah. I'm very excited. Yeah.

Well, we're definitely going to film some stuff there. Yeah. We're definitely going to film some stuff. We'll do some Instagram stories. Yep. We'll definitely get some footage. And we're definitely, I mean, we got some footage from last year when you and I were in Tohon Ranch that I put up on Instagram with some elk screaming.

Oh, yeah. But we were pretty far away. We were a couple hundred yards away, and it's wide open. Whereas Utah is a little bit more wooded, and we'll try to get a little bit closer. Yeah, those bulls will be coming close. I'm very excited. Oh, I can't wait either. I can't wait just to see you.

I can't wait. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, thanks for introducing me to this man. It's changed my life. It really has. It's been my life. It really has. It's been great to share it with you. And it's been great to have you on to share it with other people. And just share not just that, but your entire disciplined approach to this whole lifestyle that you live.

I think it's very inspiring to people. I think it's very important. And you're a shining beacon out there, Cameron Haynes. So keep hammering, as it were, and your podcast. Keep hammering. We've got a new episode that you just gave to Jamie. So it'll be up today. Jamie's going to post it today.

Young Jamie's on the ball. Yes. All right, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back at 1.30 p.m. with Jordan Peterson. And I'm fixing to go check out the new studio. We're signing a lease today, folks. It's popping. We're very excited. I'm going to show Cam, folks. It's popping. We're very excited.

I'm going to show Cam, too. All right. We'll be back soon. And so, yeah, that's it. See you soon. Oh.