The Joe Rogan Experience - #982 - Honey Honey

Episode Date: July 3, 2017

Honey Honey is a band, featuring members Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe, from Los Angeles, CA.

rosé because then we won't get shit-faced. No, I told Joe and also it occurred to me there's Joe probably has all this other shit. He's not gonna have rosé. So we should show up with rosé. I definitely wouldn't have rosé. We're live. Rosé is not my thing, but I'm not an anti-rosé person. I'll drink a fucking pina colada if the moment presents itself. How'd it go in there? You just enjoyed it, right? Yeah, it was good. I like your rosé. It's a good summertime beverage. Would anybody like some Jack Daniels? It's single malt. Hold on. Single barrel. Let me chug this rosé first. What does single barrel, what does that even mean?

It's just in one of those barrels. Oh, one barrel. One barrel. One barrel at a time. As opposed to what? You move it around a bunch of barrels? Double barrel. Yeah, you re-barrel that shit.

Like a fucking shotgun? Oh my God. I've listened to Jimi Hendrix live, Machine Gun. You know that song? Yeah. Machine Gun. God damn. That's one of those songs where sometimes

you hear it and you just go, oh, wow. I've maybe been missing out on how good this fucking song is. He was conjuring shit up. It's just so good. Is it off that Band of Gypsies record exactly

yeah it's all live yes I almost just stopped myself from saying fuck and then I realized where we were yeah thank god

wow that's so sweet have we ever fucked that one up on the real radio on the censored radio I don't know but there's this song

called Power of Love sorry I just want to keep talking about Jimi Hendrix it's the fourth track that's fucking insane. I mean, all this stuff's insane, but there's this tone that he hits that just carves a piece out of your soul.

When I used to work with Phil Hartman, he told me a story about when he was at the Whiskey. And I think he was a teenager still. I think Phil was like 18 or 19 or something. And he was working as like a stagehand. And his job was to hold up the speaker while Jimi Hendrix was on stage. Because the stage was so small and the speaker was kind of rocking. So he had to stand there. Stand there and hold up the speaker. And he said Jimi Hendrix was five feet in front of me.

He said it was fucking incredible. And this is when Hendrix was just sort of becoming Hendrix. So early. I don't know. That'd be like 1966. We could go back over when he died and when he would have been like 18 or 19. But I don't remember the exact age. He died in the 70s.

He died in 1970. Okay. Really? Yeah, pretty sure. Damn, look at you, Encyclopedia Ben. I loved her. Ben Tanaka? Hartman died in, pretty sure. Yeah. Damn, look at you, Encyclopedia Ben. I loved her. Ben Tanaka? Hartman died in, like, I think 98.

So whatever that was, those 20 years before that, this would have been, like, in the early 70s, I guess. Yeah. That doesn't make sense, actually. I wish we could go back in time and experience music, like, in the 60s and 70s, when it was just, like, everything was new. You'd never heard anything like that before.

Yeah, right? It was the first time they got real drugs. Wait, what were the demonic chords, Ben? We were talking about this the other day. That was a long time ago. Back in like, is this like Renaissance time? That was like the 1600s. There was chords they thought to be demonic.

Yeah, they were evil. Like if they heard the shit we played today, it would be like, you'd be burned at the stake. Well, I think it would just a nine-blown. Oh, yeah. Fuck that. He would have been toast. Well, just the beginning of Voodoo Child.

Right. You know? You hear that? I never get sick of that. But that's kind of, well, you really stop and think about it. There was a clear evolution, right? There was a bunch of shit going on. There was Chuck Berry, and there was Little Richard, and then there was elvis and there was all these rock and roll guys and then all of a sudden

there's this eruption out of that and it's led zeppelin yeah and it's the who and it's hendrix and it's like people that were just on a completely different level queen yeah queen in their prime but it's interesting like they all were driven like well zeppelin was all blues music they just kind of stole a lot of shit they stole a lot of shit oh yeah that's fucked up isn't it no i mean it's fucked up that they are dicks about him but it's not out of the ordinary because all those dudes are just playing each other's songs anyway that is a giant problem if you're the guy who created the opening riff to stairway to heaven it's about your song and then you try to do it well the other side of that spectrum is really fucked up though too because now you're in this game where like if you play anything remotely

sounds like that you'll get sued right and every at this point like i mean i don't rip off songs from other people we don't do that but like do that. But you could write a song and then not know that it had a similar thing, similar melody, and somebody could come after you. And that fucking blows. We were just talking about that Bittersweet Symphony song from The Verve, how they gave all their money to the Rolling Stones because the opening riff was too similar, which is crazy. It's a sample, isn't it?

It might be. Yeah, this guy named Andrew Lou Oldham produced the Stones and did all his orchestrations for them, and they just... Oh, they just sampled it. Yeah, exactly. Now, how does that work, though? That seems kind of crazy that you give it all the money. I don't mind you giving them money. I'm sure they didn't give all of it.

I mean, they had publishing on their actual song, right? Is that different? I don't know the facts. Is it different, like, as a musician? Do you feel like that feels different if someone just uses, like if someone heard Ice Ice Baby, they knew it was under pressure, right?

I mean, it's almost like it's not hurting the original song. Well, it's almost like a collaboration at that point because your song was inspired by another song and obviously there's credit due for that but it's just an interesting way that the pie gets cut up. Right. And the way people just tenaciously hold on to their peace in this way that i don't know it really bums me out to be

honest i mean obviously you need to get paid and make a living but inspirationally speaking it just the barometer is just so like people just go so far off the course in order to get credit and money for things that, it's just bullshit. But I think it's so difficult. You were just talking about that in there. It's so difficult to have a career that keeps paying you. Right. If anybody has something that's close to the sun, you're just like, that's it. Because that's the only way I'm going to be able to fucking afford this house.

The music business in particular, or I shouldn't say the music business because i never really say the comedy business i would say the comedy world because i think you guys are like the closest to big business in the way like your contracts are you always hear like these nightmare contracts you're like jesus like for us we've never made money doing anything but performing so no one ever like got a grip of the other stuff. Right. Right. Like with musicians, you guys all made a lot of money selling actual albums back in the day. Well, we don't, but.

But I mean musicians. It could have. The folks of the past. The artists too, right? But I guess they always went through record labels. Yeah, but there was no money in it. There was no money. I mean, I should say like a few guys made money.

Like Dane Cook probably made a ton of money. Right. Because he had the biggest selling comedy album of all time. Right. His was like, is at least platinum. It might have went double platinum. Do you get paid as an actor at that point? Or is it like-

No, he must have had a deal with the record company unless he released it himself. Some people can release their stuff themselves, but I don't know how that works. Oh, this is audio. You mean this isn't like a live DVD? Okay. No, but as soon as it gets to be a live DVD, there's two options. One is you could pay for it all yourself, pay for the filming and then sell it to whatever organization, whether it's Netflix or what have you, or Comedy Central. You could do it that way. What is this? Here we go. Both of them went platinum the first two they both went

platinum yeah see that's a that's that's a that's huge sales 1,215,000 and 1,200,000 or 264,000 for the second one that's incredible like for like a stand-up comedian to sell that many albums he was a real people actually bought them like that. You had to pay for that. Oh, yeah. That's funny. I wonder what was number one. Um, I don't know. That's a good question. But... 2003? What was number one? U.S. Comedy, number one and two. Would that have been Dave Chappelle?

Look, he's right there, number one. But at the time, 2003. That's the highest it ever got was number two. Oh! So someone out out peaked old Day Chappelle do live Audio he didn't have records. So that was number one on the comedy charts. It was number one period Oh, okay. What the fuck would number two if his was number one this one made the number four in the whole US chart overall

Wow, that's crazy. That's huge. That's giant So that's it like i didn't make shit i mean i made some money when i had a record on warner brothers in 1999 good year it was a good year is it like a space monkey thing no that was called i'm gonna be dead someday that was my first thing and then and then uh the next one was Shiny Happy Jihad. That was... And then Talking Monkeys in Space. That was the one. We need to get our collection for the road travels. I'll hook you guys up.

Hook that shit up, man. Get it on the Spotify. How many albums you guys have now? Trace albums. Trace. But we're releasing solo records this year. So it's been a really interesting... We're working together and separately.

It's crazy. You guys keeping it together or you get weird with each other? All the time. All the time. Both, yeah. Both. Both. Both.

Both. Both. Both. Both. But that is the way it has always been and possibly always will be. Do you think... I feel like as long as everyone's kind, it's unavoidable and it's part of the process of dealing with people. It's like part of the process of dealing with people

well we get on each other's nerves we definitely act like shitheads and then we have these moments of uh great communication well that's the end goal but uh i think i can say that our relationship has made my other relationships in my life so much better because you have to administer patience and listen and Really just have you know, it's hard for people, right? Yeah Well, you gotta learn how to be wrong, you know and say you're sorry when you fuck up like I'm sorry I was I was wrong. I was stupid of me. I shouldn't have said that it's also there's a balancing act that some people never achieve of Listening to someone and thinking about what they're saying and then responding because of that or just saying what's on your mind.

There's this balancing act. Sometimes you just want to say what's on your mind. Sometimes you have to absorb what this person is saying to you and then you have to respect it and address it and try to figure out how, as a person that cares about them, what's the best way to get out what you're thinking.

Sometimes you don't do that. And then you have to deal with emotions happening at the same goddamn time, which completely changed the way you could speak. You know, I mean, something that, um, yeah, I, I got a, I got a great therapist. I love her so much. And she, you know, accepting people is a huge deal and just saying, Hey, you and I have very different truths or like, you know, not you and I, but you know, anyone. And when you're arguing with somebody or you're in disagreement, what is true to them could be completely different to you.

But you, you know, if you just fight that and keep fighting that, you're going to be so fucked. Yeah. And like, there's no, there's no peace involved in that scenario. So just accepting your differences is half the battle. How do we relay your message to the rest of the world and solve this fucking problem? What's the problem? The world's in conflict.

Learn how to say you're sorry. Learn how to be wrong. Gotta speak their language first. And then listen to each other for crying out loud. I think that's so important. I feel like people want to be right when you, politics right now are just such a shit show. And if I try to stay on board, I just get so exhausted because it's never ending. There's no, there's no moment of, of peace.

It's like, okay, now I'm'm gonna piss now you're gonna piss now i'm gonna piss and we're just gonna keep pissing and it just doesn't like i i don't know i'm i'm really annoyed with all that i can't stand it did you see what that shit um shit poster guy baked alaska did what he posted he posted a tweet that that somehow he was proud that the president was shit posting. Because you know what the president did, what Trump did? He took that meme of him

slamming the guy with a CNN head. And this baked Alaska guy who's like a famous shit poster. Do you know what a shit poster is? They say like ridiculous shit and they're memes and they fuck with people and they get people upset. It's pretty funny stuff. I'm so honored to live in a country where our president

is shit posting on Twitter. It really makes the world a better place. It's hilarious. Baked Alaska. It's fucking funny, man. He had the funniest meme about Alex Jones and I didn't know it was his and I posted it on my Instagram. Somebody sent it to me. I didn't know who it was and I posted it and then he got

mad at me and he said I was stealing jokes but if I had known it was his I definitely would have given him credit but the meme is hilarious it's hot it's him in the hot tub what's the one with Alex Jones in a hot tub when everybody wants to chill but you're so woke you can't help drop truth bombs it's Alex Jones in a hot tub with sunglasses on. It's just such a perfect meme for Alex. That's a real art form, the funny meme. Yeah.

Oh, agreed. It really is. And it's not, they're getting fucked. You want to talk about people getting fucked? Yeah. The creators of the funny memes. The memists? Yeah.

I feel like, there it is. What was that? People try to relax, but you're so woke, you just have to drop another truth bomb. Look at him with his sunglasses on. I love Alex. Dude, he is red. Oh, yeah. Well, that might be a filter. Instagram uses a lot of filters to make you look unhealthy.

Isn't there a lot of shaming with the meme stuff, though, now? It's like if you start stealing people's memes, you're a target. Well, yeah, but the problem is a lot of people are still not aware. Like there's a lot of people that have become famous because they have websites and their pages get millions and millions and millions of followers and all they're doing is stealing people's memes. Right. And some of them have been forced to credit people and some of them just sort of like

that fat Jewish guy, he just sort of writes the person who created his name in the comment. Didn't he? He had big trouble though yeah he got caught i mean this is what it was a wild west you don't in my book yeah but it's the it's the wild west i mean that's what it is yeah it's like no one knew how i mean if you send me something and it's really hilarious you know and then like eddie eddie bravo just sent me one on Bill Cosby. I don't think I could share it. It's fucked up enough. I could show it to you, but he sends it to me.

I'm like, I don't know who the fuck came up with it. You know, it says when you realize building a wall fucks your Quaalude supply. Oh, my God. Oh, that face. I was going to say, did Eddie make that? No. He might have. I don't know.

I have no idea. Eddie does a lot of funny shit. He might have made that himself. But I don't know who made that. You know what I mean? So when something like that happens, he sends it to me. I might send it to Jamie. Jamie might send it to Brendan.

Well, when you make it, can you put your... Oh no. Oh no. He might have... I mean, Eddie might have made that That's gonna haunt my dreams But The point is

How dare you How does someone I mean it's so easy To make one of those But it's a really funny joke How does someone Claim that Well I was gonna say

Can you put your stamp Can you have your Watermark thing Yeah That seems annoying You'd have to do that All this shit is annoying Yeah

But if you If you Ben had a Instagram page and you started putting up those memes, people would steal them. But if you made your own, if you just decided, you know, between as an exercise in between writing songs, I'm going to write some fucking joke memes. Yeah, I'll meme it for a little bit. Instagram. Yeah. You know?

I think I don't, I guess I just let it, I'd struggle with that. Mmm. That's a tough one be an issue Right, you'd be like these mother fuckers already co-opting other people's images anyway, and a lot of the time you Phrases and stuff like that. It's almost like collage when you got in that little battle with By the way, we'll argue with his own mom Twitter argument. Mark Barron, by the way, will argue with his own mom on Twitter. What happened? He said something about, he said, I don't know why this pissed me off.

He said, memes are the cancer of our culture's imagination. Oh, that's not true. Shut the fuck up. And I kind of sent him this tweet back that was like, yeah, you don't know. Because I was also reading this other shit. He had a great retort, though. You said, I don't think you know exactly what it means sorry i jumped in do it take it home what did you say no he said i sent back kind of like a similarly bitchy thing because i was reading about memes in a different context and i was like it's actually not what memes means all the time mark and he was like i knew exactly what it means and i was like

fuck that's really funny damn but then he went on and I knew exactly what it means. And I was like, fuck, that's really funny. Damn. But then he went on and kind of like drove it home. He called me a poetry assassin. I was narrow-minded. And I was like, dude, chill the fuck up. Narrow-minded because you don't agree with his assessment of memes? Because I went back at him. I don't know. Wow.

We had some friends jumping in and being like, hey, honey, honey, you're great. That was a great moment because Vernon Reed from this band called In Living Color chimed in and stood up. He was my knight in shining armor. I think we as human beings have to resist memes of the cancer cells and the cultural imagination. Oh, God. And by the way, you know what I hate about it the most? No capital letter, no period.

No! You can't do that. We were on tour when this was happening and we were like, hey, it's a cool man but sorry, but you're wrong. So I definitely can't claim any victory in that situation. So I think we had to pull over. We had to pull over so we could figure out what to do.

You might as well have a cigarette holder if you're writing that. You should have a black turtleneck and a cigarette holder. No, it's bullshit. I'm proud of you. You should be listening to jazz. You should be listening to jazz. I'm proud of you. You should be listening to jazz if you write that.

I like jazz. What's wrong with jazz? Nothing. Jazz is great. But there's some people that listen to jazz just so people know they're listening to jazz. Oh, that's fucked up. You know that guy. Yeah.

You know that guy. Yeah. That's that guy. So I just remembered there's this great, you said Little Richard and Jimi Hendrix before. Yeah. Jimi Hendrix was in Little Richard's band. Do you know that? Oh, yeah.

I forgot about that. Before he was what he was. I think I read that. And there's this great fucking interview with Little Richard talking about Jimi Hendrix just high as a kite. It's amazing. And also, how about Jerry Lee Lewis? Jerry Lee Lewis fucking killed how many wives?

Oh, my God. Didn't he kill a couple of them? He said, he made my toe go up my boot What? Heroin Whoa Jesus, Little Richard's amazing I know. That's what the answer. You got to be placed into the dipper and pulled back down on the world,

and then men will see your good works and glorify God Jehovah. Jimi Hendrix could play that rock and roll. I used to be singing rock and roll. Woo, woo, woo, woo. Be gone. He have that thing just romping and thumping all up under my toes. At times, he used to make my big toe shoot up in my boot. He did it so good.

He gave it all to you. Love him so much. And that's what you want. You want it all or none. Can I just pause this right here? Little Rich is what every gay man should aspire to. Just be so fucking fabulous that you are undeniable. So good.

And Freddie Mercury. We were talking about him earlier. Have you seen those? It's like mid-70s shit. And it blows my mind. I haven't seen anything. Because the dude is in a... He looks like Lord Farquaad,

if that means anything to anybody. But he's tall, and he's got this skin-tight white suit, and it's mid-70s, and he's gay, and his dick is just like, boom. Like, you can just see his dick. He doesn't give a fuck. And he's present. If you did that now, you'd be done. is just like, boom. Like, you could just see his dick.

He doesn't give a fuck. If you did that now, you'd be done. You can't do that. Yes, you can. What do you mean you can't do that? Who does that? Who is up on stage with their dick hanging out? Wait, was it actually hanging out?

Literally, you're just like, oh, there's his dick. No, you mean like outside of his pants, you're saying? No. Yeah. Okay, dude, you're not doing a good job with this. Clearly presented. Here, let me clear this up. It doesn't need to be outside.

It's a transparent material. Oh, really? I'm like a stocking? If Justin Timberlake did that, it would be all fucking over. Justin, if you're listening, you should do this. You should do that, Justin. It's time. Do it.

See what happens. Express yourself. See what happens. Get those feet moving fast. Some of us want to know. No, but I just thought it was crazy that it was so different that people were somehow accepting, you know, just- So is it pantyhose?

Like, what is he- He's got this, like, skin-tight bodysuit. Right. And what color is it? White. But how did it make you feel? Pure white. I was fascinated.

So you're looking at his dick, like, as if he was wearing, like, tight underwear. Right? It's beyond that. Beyond that. You know what I'm saying? You can make it- What about Magic Mike? It's a live DVD.

What about, like, What about stuff like that? Like what? Magic Mike. But that's a movie about people stripping. This is a live concert in front of people. Anybody can fucking go. And the dude's just like, bam. Dick out.

Yeah. It just shocked me. No, Sean. And inspired me. Do you remember those old Led Zeppelin pictures? How is this going to affect your solo record release this fall? Remember those old Led Zeppelin pictures where Robert Patton would have his hog

tucked up on the side of his leg? I mean, you can't lie about that. You can't fake that. Everybody would know. Yeah, but when you wear underwear, it doesn't show like that, and he probably got hard before the photo. That is a talent in and of itself,

let alone the voice of an angel. Well, if you just put a rubber band around your cock and balls Go on shit That's insane That looks uncomfortable How do you walk with that? It definitely was You walk cock out

Look at the one in the white there Jesus Christ That's his dick Imagine that but if you could see the outline, there's a well-defined head. That'd be Freddie Mercury. Well, then you know it's real. Maybe I'll have a problem. Put his dick to the right.

Isn't that the thing that you hang one way? You can't really change it, right? What? Like, I'm right-handed. This is offensive. I'm not ambidextrous. You don't even have a penis. You're offending me. Well, I'm right-handed. This is offensive. You don't even have a penis. You're offending me.

Well, I'm asking. I want to know. Show what? Show what? How dare you? If you were a girl and we were talking about your vagina, it would be really gross, right? Wouldn't that be gross? You can't ask questions about what a vagina is.

Let's talk about it. What do you want to know? Which way does your vagina slant? Hangs right. I think it's just right down the middle. I'm perfectly proportioned. It's well aligned, symmetrical. Every Robert Plant one, his dick's swinging to the left.

Yeah. Maybe it's that big. He's got to, like, tuck it in a leg. He's got to choose a leg. And he's just gotten comfortable. He's got, like, a groove on the left side where it tucks in. I mean, if you position yourself on stage a certain way, and, I mean, you guys all have dicks, right?

Allegedly. But you don't wear pants as tight as Robert Plant. I mean, check me out. Look at this. What is going on here? He's got his pants down. Is that a scrotum? It says Robert's Last Stand.

What is it? Is that a real photo? I don't think so. That's a real cover of a real album? That's not one of the records. I found the blank one, and then the real one was attached to it. Encyclopedia Bentanica. Is that a real photo? I don't think so. That's a real cover of a real album? That's not one of the real ones. I found the blank one and then there was the real one was attached to it. Encyclopedia Bentanica. Is that a real cover?

Oh, so in that one you actually see his dick? Is that what the implication is? God. I have these moments when we're podcasting where I'm like, God, I hope my parents never listen to this. But they might really be into it. I don't know. What do you think, Ben? Well, here's the thing. Ray and Kath? I've been going through a thing with my mom.

We don't really know each other that well. It's the truth. And I feel like she would learn a lot about me and my life. Oh my God. That's heavy. That's a lot. Should we send it to her? Definitely not. No. I don't think she'd handle it. That would be horrifying. I think she'd be freaked out.

Sorry, Mom. It's okay. She's a delicate person. Especially in this day and age, whenever do you have a chance to sit and talk to someone for three hours straight like this? It's rare. It's sort of the cure for what ails us when it comes to communicating, like podcasts, because it's so informal, and it's really just like sitting down talking, which is what a lot of us don't ever have the chance to do anymore. Everyone is always doing a million things.

You're always looking at your phone. You're always about to go somewhere. You got a meeting. You got this. You got that. When the fuck do you ever get three hours to just sit? It's a special thing. It is.

We're very excited to be here. But isn't it crazy that just talking is a special thing? That shows you how weird we are right now. As human beings like as an organism that grew up in a social environment i mean every every person that survives that's alive today comes from a history of people that were in tribes right we're in these little groups of people and social interaction was everything like you had to know each other was being alone and that doesn't happen very often either when people well i mean someone's moody how dare you come on

no but you're talking about like devices and stuff i couldn't help myself no i love you but you're a dick but it's true like i we know you're right we're always so busy there's always shit going on and like i i definitely have these moments where I wasn't just sitting, not talking to someone or looking at my phone. I can't remember when I wasn't just moving. And not even meditating, just sitting. I've become super aware, at least over the last year, that there's a lot of wasted time in looking at devices and computers. I've been real aware of it to the point where I had to weigh the benefits of it. The benefits are pretty numerous.

I get a lot of really interesting articles off of social media and really interesting articles that I find online and really interesting up-to-date information about space and science that's very, very valuable valuable to me but then there's also a lot of scrolling through nonsense totally it's equally as fruitful as it is beguiling because you get fucked up and lost in it and like i wanted to invent this app that i think someone probably already did it but that puts a lock on your social media so you only get like 20 minutes a day and once it's up it's done they have those yeah i mean you don't want it you just want to develop some but it's also crucial for our

careers like it's crucial to like your thing is built on social media yes it's crazy the thing is though you need time alone where you're bored this is what i believe read a book i think you need time to just be able to sit and think about something or do something, like practice something. I'm sure you guys are like this with music, right? Ben's a great practicer. I'm really envious of his discipline. He practices guitar every day.

Yeah, you've got to. It's like meditation. It's the same thing. Yeah, I think that there's something to that for sure that some people don't experience. You put your phone over there or shut it off or put it in airplane mode and just do your thing. You know what's crazy about the practice is when you can separate, because it's tough because I'll have devices on my phone that help me practice. I'll have metronomes and stuff like that. And then all of a sudden, bing, bing, the stuff's going off. And the difference between when I don't have my phone,

when I'm not communicating with the social media world or texting, whatever, and when I do, it's insane. In 20 minutes, it's like working out. If you focus for 20 minutes, it's going to replace three hours of shitty working out. Am I right about that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's how much how deep you can go in you know just cognitively but and I think in general people were like coming to grips with this now as I can etiquette because we didn't fucking ten years ago none of this stuff existed this is like fresh out the gate so we're

trying to figure this out and there's this dude you just see people paying more and more attention exactly what you're saying there's this guy that wrote a book called Deep Work. And it's like going viral. People are paying attention to this guy's ideas that are exactly what we're talking about. You need to shut off social media advice, you know, stuff, input. And allow your brain to sink down deep. And that's where real value comes from, right?

That's the only way to where real value comes from right that's the only way that it's that simple real value where people don't even realize how it'll take over your life in your relationships what's new it's too new it's not that new it's so new it's so I guess it's right and 19 what is it like 1994 is the internet okay that's like the main spread of the internet 94 remember when we had that's nothing do you know and it was like it was like electron it wasn't email yet you know it was just like but do you understand that this is only like 10 years old that's that is crazy with the iphones right this is what didn't they just go through the 10th anniversary the iphone that's when it

started yeah before that there were no apps okay so if there's no apps there's no twitter there's no facebook on your phone the snake game on your phone? The snake game where it goes, it like, you just had arrows and you had to get the snake through this maze. I don't play games. You don't play that? No.

It was a thing, Joe. You really missed out. I did. Okay. I'm sorry to tell you. What was it called? Puzzle Farter? You heard of it?

Ten years. Puzzle Farter. No. Joe, come on. Puzzle Farter? Yeah. Jamie, if you find that, I swear to God, you're like, oh my God, that's amazing. Is it worth something?

It was a thing. Oh my God, when we did our first record. It might have just been a thing with us. With us. Puzzle Farter. You take this little character. Did you hear of it? And you propel him with his own farts with your space bar and your arrows.

And you think it sounds stupid, but you play your first game and you're just laughing. I love how Joe... Oh, my God! Boom. Joe has Neil deGrasse Tyson, and then he has us talking about Puzzle Fighter. Hey, live your truth. This is who we are.

Can you play this online? This is actually something that brought us a lot of joy. Just start demo level. It seems like you can play it. Give it to us, Jamie. Oh, my God, you can play it online? Get it, get it, get it, get it, get it. Got to get some sound.

You got to... Okay. Listen, we're not doing this. I'm not going to play Puzzle Farter. Jamie's going to operate the controls and play Puzzle Farter. Didn't I? Well, one day, challenge yourself. It's a lot of fun.

I just don't think people are used to the idea of being alone anymore without these devices. And that's only been around for 10 years. It's a lot of false comfort it's crazy but i think there's also like there's all these different um disorders and things that they're coming up with like you know young kids and their identity with instagram and how it reflects their self-worth and how many likes they get and who liked their photos and like it's really scary i was looking at an article today where they were saying that girls as early as nine years old are getting surgery to make their vaginas look better. Shut the fuck up.

That's not true. Yes. Really? They might be making it up just so I'll talk about it. Yeah, I don't think we should. I think that sounds questionable. I think it's in the Daily Mail, so it might be questionable. Whose parents?

But I know that vagina surgeries, like aesthetic vagina surgeries, are on the rise. Really? Yeah. I mean, they didn't exist like how many years ago? I remember there was a trend when you would dye your pubes blue and put bedazzled little- That was just you. That was just you. This is no trend.

Vagina surgery, it's like that fart puzzle. Ben, you know all about this. I don't know what you're talking about. Vagina surgery. We swim in the same pond. This is the BBC, guys. Come on. That can't be right.

No, scroll back down so you see. Look at that headline. Vagina surgery sought by girls as young as nine. I mean, vaginas are crazy looking. Okay, but how... Okay, here's the thing. So are dicks. So are dicks.

Dicks are weird. They're all weird. You're right, but it's a lot harder to operate. Don't discriminate. Sorry to interrupt, Joe. Harder to operate a vagina? I beg to differ. No, to operate on a dick than a vagina.

I don't fucking know what I'm talking about. I'm going to say it. Yeah, we really making judgment calls here on what's more difficult? I really hope your mom doesn't listen to us. One of these things that we know nothing about is more difficult. Oh, it feels right. Operating on body parts. It feels right.

How do you know, like, this... Here's the thing, man. Like, CNN just got busted for... They fired a bunch of people for writing some story about Trump and Russia that wasn't true. You hear about that? People get, like, super overzealous trying to make a story real when they didn't do, like, all the background work that was necessary. Like, that's why Trump can get away with calling CNN fake news, right?

Sure. Because they're doing shit like that. Because they're doing desperado shit. They're getting into that blurry area where they're doing things that are just a little bit sensational, a little sensationalism, and they're trying to get people to pay attention. Yeah. And the pace, right? How do we know that that's not the case here?

Sure. I'm sure women are getting vagina surgeries. We've heard of it. Of course. We know it's a real thing so but when you see as early as nine like man if that's on instant clickbait like that probably saying as young as nine that might be worth fucking hundreds of thousands of dollars sure i mean i don't know i'm just taking if there's one case of this they could point to that as a reference inside we'll see you know i mean the absurdity of a young child uh someone anyone like uh looking at their vagina in any kind of pleasurable way is

totally fucked up so why would a kid care about the appearance of their vagina you know what i mean like that none of this makes sense well exactly i mean what's even creepier is you cut baby makes me angry to make them look better for Jesus. I did that for Jesus, dude. Yeah. Jesus. For Jesus. Not to be too vulnerable here, but the other day, for the first time in my life, I saw my circumcision scar.

I was like, holy shit, that's what that is. How did it make you feel? It was intense. It was intense. I was like, someone cut my dick off-ish. They're doing it right now. Part of it. As we're talking, they're cutting baby dicks all over this country

in 2017. They're just slicing baby dicks for no reason. There's so many things I want to say and I just want to keep them to myself at this point. Why? Because I should. Well, if you want to say them, I feel like you don't want to keep them to yourself. I'm going to pass. Is it about baby

dicks? No, it's about circumcised. Okay, what else is going on, guys? How's that, Jack Daniels? Single barrel. It's fine. I know where you're going. You don't have to say a word.

Okay. Yeah, I was about to turn the mulch over. It's an aesthetic thing. Yeah, but just because you're fucking used to it. Sometimes I forget that this is being broadcast and we're not just hanging out as friends. You should just stop talking. I know. We would not have to think about it over and over again. Sometimes I forget that this is being broadcast and we're not just hanging out as friends. You should just stop talking. I know. We would not have to think about it over and over again.

But I feel self-aware. Just going to focus on my Joe action figure. I mean, how much, if a BBC News article like that probably gets like a million hits, right? Am I being... No, probably not. Maybe. A lot of hits, right? So how much is that worth? Like like if you can guarantee 50 more hits

is it worth thousands of dollars like how much do they get they get paid by the ads that are on their website right when i'm on the computer and i'm like you know looking at something and then there's those you know distractify kind of things oh yeah and i i click on them because i'm curious i just feel so bad about myself i just feel like such a piece of shit like you should be doing something better with your time suzanne than looking at you know that uh i don't know you know before and after pictures of you know what i mean like who those articles are like having phone sex with a robot yeah it's like you never get anything out of it. But you're getting fucked. You keep changing the channels.

You're like, this is weird. Like, there's no real, it's not a real article. Like, if you read, like,

you know, the 18 hot women from the 80s, you should see them now. Right, right. And, you know, and you go through them and it's like,

who's writing this? But who benefits from, I'm curious, like, just beyond the veil, like, what is the point? Does someone get paid them and it's like who's writing this like no one but what who benefits from i'm curious like just beyond the veil like what is the point they get does someone get paid for you clicking that button yeah yeah that sucks 100 yeah i hate that i hate that but it's the same shit i mean like why do people buy fucking doritos it's the same thing isn't it yeah what do you hate about it though

because i want to use my time and energy wisely and and not waste it on things like that because i'd rather like sit with my phone off and my computer off or or learn something that is beneficial right i don't i think that's just wasteful that's junk food it is but so is doritos but doritos taste good yeah but they have healthy have healthy Doritos. They have like, they have like, Taco Bell tacos, the shell is a Dorito. They have that one, my favorite chip at 365 slash Whole Foods is like, it's like a bean chip and it tastes like Doritos and it's, it's not. Wait a minute, what's 365 slash Whole Foods?

It's, there's in Glendale in California, in Los Angeles. It's called 365 slash, not just Whole Foods? Yeah, so it's like, it's like a cheaper Whole Foods. It's like the brand 365 when you go to Whole Foods. Huh. Whole Foods started an out, like an outlet. It's called 365. Yeah. So it's like, it's like a cheaper Whole Foods. It's like the brand 365 when you go to Whole Foods. Huh? Yeah. It started out like an outlet. It's an outlet. Oh, okay. For the poor kids. I didn't know what that was. It's for everybody. It's out there. Okay. It's out there. Check it out. Give it, you know, take it for a spin. So what were you saying about it? No, but they have like these, they have these chips. They have Dorito substitutes. They taste like Doritos and I fucking love them.

They're delicious. You know what I think is adorable? Trans fats are fucking terrible for you, right? They're horrible. And the government has decided to outlaw trans fats in two years. Yeah, you can eat poison for two years. Do you think it's interesting? You guys should get ruthless diarrhea and just shallow calories.

And a lot of people are going to die because of obesity because you're addicted to sucking down these things. When you go to Canada, they have their Heinz ketchup and we have our Heinz ketchup. And the Canadian Heinz ketchup does not have high fructose corn syrup. What does it have? Sugar? I don't know, but it doesn't have high fructose corn syrup because it's banned. And it's gross. It tasted differently and I liked it i i'm not kidding i just i think that's interesting that like right on the other side of

this border they have better ketchup well they have better coca-cola in mexico they do use cane sugar that's true right tastes better i mean i don't i don't really drink coca-cola but it's it does taste it's just interesting what the fda approves in our country for the food that we eat they don't give a fuck they don't give eat. They don't give a fuck about us. They don't give a shit. No, of course not. They don't give a fuck. All those government agencies are a bunch of puppets when it comes to diet and exercise and what you're allowed to put in cigarettes and what you're allowed to put in all sorts

of different drugs that get passed. It is fucking bananas that we were talking about Nevada just became legal for marijuana. It's fucking bananas yeah how it took until 2017 where states finally started making weed legal while people are dropping off left and right right from opiate pills like there was a a study that uh that dr hart is that his name um it's on my um my twitter i I tweeted it earlier today or last night. But it was 93% of patients that have pain preferred cannabis over opioids. Sure.

Yeah, that makes sense. Opioids or opiates? How do you say it? Opiates. Opiates? Yeah, I can attest to that. Of course. I mean, menstrual cramps are debilitating for some ladies, I'll be honest.

And that's why I got my weed license. Because it's night and day. Wow. Tell them about the thing. Well, they have... I don't care. I feel comfortable. They have suppositories that you put in your twinkle.

They get your eyes fucked? No, they don't get you. I mean, they make this warm, wonderful feeling in your belly that is the antithesis of writhing in pain and being out of commission for a day, which happens every month. I get one or two days where I'm just down. I'm in so much pain.

I can't do anything. It's awful. But weed has been the best thing that's happened for that ailment. Whereas you take Motrin, and you can take Motrin, but it can give you a terrible stomach ache because it's really bad. It's really bad for your liver. And you're taking just handfuls of Motrin. And Advil, like all those things. Yeah, it's the same thing.

But it's. Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. Those things are super bad for your body. But it's interesting that that's what you would take as opposed to having weed legal and all of its different medicinal facets that can help you. Well, the difference is obviously there's a psychoactive effect that's probably unwanted for a lot of people that take Advil. They just want to get rid of the headache they don't want to trip their fucking balls off right no but that's where like cbds come in yeah they're great

they're great but apparently some people take cbds and they experience some sort of a psychoactive effect i've talked to quite a few people that say that i don't understand that maybe they're getting stuff that's like weird it It's probably got pot in it. I think that too. I think some of the recipes, like I've definitely gotten edibles that were duds and you have two. It's just like, oh, I think they missed something. You know, it's still sort of like a primitive market.

So I think a lot of the companies and you see some of them like come in and come out just like boom, boom, boom, like new restaurants didn't make it. like come in and come out just like boom boom boom like new restaurants didn't make it um i think there's definitely a search for more reliable product in that regard but uh and we're also so different like i'm you know people react to weed so differently you're an example yeah you blow my mind i feel like last time we talked you told me not to blow up your spine but you at one point you took a thousand milligrams is that true yeah yeah i've done that a couple of times insane if i take 10 milligrams i'm fucked yeah but i can't hang with joey diaz joey diaz will take a thousand and then he'll eat 250 more in front of you and laugh at you that's same i told you that story when we were at coachella and i accidentally took

a 25 milligram jolly rancher because it was a hard candy. You don't just bite it in half. And my friends were like, you took the whole thing? And I was like, yeah. And I lost my mind watching Radiohead. This was years ago. And coincidentally, ran into Gary Clark Jr. And I was like, Gary, you gotta help me. And I was like, help me find Ben. And I was just losing my mind.

And then I found Ben. I bet he was super helpful. But I told you that story, Joe, and you were like, fuck that. I'd take 25 milligrams and go to the movies. And I was like, okay, well, you are very tough. Well, this is the point. But I am not. There's no consistency.

You get your 25 milligrams. And it's also a matter of how much you take and how often you take it. I definitely didn't say it like that. No, you're so cool. You were so cool. Check the tape. check the tape. Check the tape. No, you're a total gentleman about it.

People do like to brag about how much they can take, me included. I can't. I'd be like, bitch, I'll take that whole can. No, you won't. Fuck yeah, I will. Let's go on a journey. Let's go on a journey, pussy. Joey Diaz is a horrible person, though.

Joey will take these Chibichus, and he'll take the ones that have 500 milligrams. No, no, no. And he'll swap the package for one that has 75 milligrams. Oh, no. And he'll give it to somebody. He doesn't give a fuck. And he'll laugh, because he knows you're going to live. That's so funny.

Everybody lives. Everybody lives. We had a friend who said he ate he ate an edible and he slept for two for 24 hours i'm not gonna say who yeah but all right yeah we had a friend right i don't remember what you're talking about it was i'm so high you know you know who i'm talking about no i don't but it's all right okay well a friend of yours had never had weed before and someone gave him an edible and he slept for like 24 hours and woke up like an entire day later that totally happens yeah if you don't do it all the time if

you're not used to it yeah i felt more high on edibles than i have like taking mushrooms but i didn't take that many mushrooms but it's a very intense psychoactive experience when you take an edible it is yeah i've said this so many times, I apologize in advance. But your body produces something called 11-hydroxy metabolites when THC is processed by your liver. It's five times more psychoactive than THC. It's a way different drug. And it's not psychoactive when you smoke it. So when you're smoking pot, your body's not producing the 11-hydroxy metabolite.

When you process it with your liver. Your body produces this intense psychedelic drug. Like, you can have, when you eat weed and then close your eyes, you have some of the craziest fucking visuals that match up there. As long as you have enough, they go right up to everything. They go right up to mushrooms. They go, you can have like these mini DMT trips if you. Oh, I smoked DMT with weed once. It was insane.

How about that? It changed my life. When did you do this? Did it really? This was a couple years ago. Oh. And a good friend of mine. And I took one hit and it was like zero to 100.

It was just like you exhaled and then you just take off. And I mean, I'd never smoked DMT before and I'm very sensitive to weed. So I was high for like two, three hours. I was so, and at one point I was watching, we were sitting on a balcony and I was watching the street and it flipped into like negative, like a photograph, like the colors changed. Wait, man, this is like you smoked the DMT and how many minutes later is this happening? This was in about 10 minutes. Okay. So that was when it was most intense.

Yeah. So you kept your eyes open. Oh, yeah. Should I close my eyes? Oh, yeah. Oh, tell me how to do it. I don't know. It sounds like you took a small dose.

If you took one hit. No, I took. It sounds like you took a small dose. If you took one hit. No, I took a couple hits. But my first hit, it was just like literally like Star Wars when it just goes into warp speed. You're like, it was insane. DMT has got a weird threshold thing that happens. And it's like three hits in. What happened to me? Something about three hits in is when reality dissolves.

For most people, that's what they say. Three hits. Okay. And if you took like one or two, you get crazy visuals, you get weird, freaky stuff. Oh, yeah. But you don't go to the alien dimension. I saw, no, yes, I did. You did. I totally did. So you took enough. So did you close your eyes while you were there

or did you have them open? No, I could, well, it was nighttime, so I could see the stars. Wow. And at one point, I went completely deaf. All the sounds just went, and I was watching a moving street, and I couldn't hear anything. It was intense. How high up were you? Just a couple stories.

Were you worried about freaking out and trying to fly? No, no, no, no. I was on the ride. Wait, tell me more. That's the big fear, right? The big fear is like someone taking a psychedelic and they're on a balcony. Like Bill Hicks used to have a bit about that. Okay.

Young man on acid. Thought he could fly. You know, leapt tragically to his death. Oh, that's scary. What a tragedy. He goes, what a dick. Still here. He goes, if you thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground first?

He goes, we just lost a Still here. He goes, if you thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground first? He goes, we just lost a moron. That's awful. Oh, boy. It was great. And then he had a positive drug story. Yeah, which you never do here. Yeah. It is interesting.

You know, I don't like to say that the news is fake because it's not fake. It's like they're doing the best they can. They vet themselves the best they can and they definitely fuck up. And definitely people get ambitious. But it is kind of interesting that they only tell you like sanctioned things. Like you're never going to see like a whole Fox News article on the benefits of psychedelic drugs and how it could change your consciousness and how Suzanne smoked pot with Duncan Trussell with DMT laced in it. It was not Duncan Trussell.

But it could be. You know what I'm saying? I did take mushrooms with Duncan once, though. I'm sure. It was amazing. You haven't. You haven't lived. It was like the first time I'd ever really been high on mushrooms.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. I saw my grandfather. Ooh, that's intense. Yeah, we should talk about that another time. I saw my grandfather once on weed. I ate an edible and then had a dream. And the dream was really intense.

And I was talking to my grandfather. It was really weird. Like, I hadn't seen him in forever. You know, he died when I was... I was... I was in my 20s. Did it feel real? Oh, yeah.

Did you guys spend a lot of time together when he was alive? Yeah, we did. Yeah, he was... He used to take me fishing and stuff like that. He was a really nice guy. And just took care of my grandmother for the last like 12 years of her life. She had a stroke and they had to take care of her

for a long time. She had an aneurysm. Oh my God. Yeah, and I lived with them at that time because I'd moved from Boston to New York. I didn't have a place to stay. So I lived with my grandfather and my grandmother in New Jersey

and it was just a super dark time. But how old were you? Oh, 24, somewhere around then. And it made me realize like really intensely that this life does not last. Like, and then you have to really be appreciative of health and your, your movement, your ability to move and your ability to experience things. Totally. And it just seems so, it seems like such a given. And because it's such a given and we get wrapped up in so many different things, it's, it's super easy to lose touch with that, you know, to be happy.

Like I was talking to a really good friend of mine who's going through a divorce and he started getting all bummed out about it and this and that. And I was like, look, man, you are so lucky. You're happy. Like I was talking to a really good friend of mine who's going through a divorce and he started getting all bummed out about it and this and that. And I was like, look, man, you are so lucky. You're happy. You're healthy. You're alive. You have a bunch of great friends. Like you're going to be fine. Like this is all going to be fine. Like it's, this is like a little journey you're going to go through and it's all in like how you look at it, how you approach this journey, how you're going to come out of it on the other end but being a young guy and living with my grandmother when she was dying and my grandfather we had to take care of her and seeing the both of them like struggle it was it was intense well can i ask you a question sure when you feel like you when you had this psychedelic experience where you saw your

grandfather like does that to you is that like a real experience of him being somewhere else and communicating with you or it's probably just an ego trip it's probably just me thinking that i can recreate my memory but it was what was interesting about is the memories were so intense they were so realistic they were like my grandfather like he used to talk and like he used to behave. He was always a very, very gentle man, a very gentle guy with a very like easy way about him. Like he was a really interesting guy. And he was like that in the dream. He was that guy in the dream. It makes sense, too, if you go through a really impactful time.

It just digs those grooves deep. I'm sure. In your brain. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. It brain yeah i'm sure i'm sure it's wild and uh i had it once with phil hartman too super intense the phil hartman one was super intense it was years after he died like maybe more than 10 and uh in the dream he was um sitting in a lawn chair and somehow or another he was telling me what life was like after his wife had killed himself

or killed him and then killed herself it was really intense and I was like somehow or another I was talking to him from this like next stage of existence but the next stage of existence it wasn't heaven and it wasn't the DMT dimension it was like a picnic it wasn't the dmt dimension

it was like a picnic it was like there was a lawn and it was like it was like a bunch of people hanging out and he had a he was just laughing and joking around and being jovial about things and he was just talking about uh oh yeah we talked about that like about him and the wife after she shot him and killed him he was like joking around in my dream. That's incredible. We had to have a conversation about that. Wow. You know, it was like, wow. It was so crazy. It was so intense because it was so real and it was him.

And he fell backwards in his chair, like laughing, like fell backwards in his chair, almost like a pratfall. And then he was gone. What? And then the dream was gone. And then it just just it all went away and i woke up because it was so intense i woke up and i was like whoa that that really felt like i was talking to phil like it didn't feel like just a memory it really felt like i was talking to phil

but again what is that is that an ego trip is that your imagination no i believe in that stuff i'm do you are you all in i am i'm in'm in. I'm in because I've had experience. I mean, I think there's a lot of bullshit with you need to be skeptical from the external people that try to tell you stuff. But I've definitely had people help me understand what all that shit means when I've had dreams like that with my deceased relatives. And they told me things and then they happened. And yeah, it could be your ego. But I like I don't think that makes it less real, though. that yeah with my deceased relatives and they told me things and then they happened and yeah it could be your ego but i like i don't think that makes it less real though if it's your ego or your mind you know creating a scenario with a loved one or whatever that's this i don't think

that's less real than the idea of this spirit re-embodying um you know uh i don't know some sort of physical form or whatever i think it I think they're both kind of valid. And it's energy. I think it's an exchange of energy. And we've definitely been in places where we felt like not alone, you know, and we weren't high. We were, you know, you have those moments where like your instincts and your intuition are like aware of external things that

you can't see but you can feel and maybe maybe you can see them i've we've seen a ghost one can i just address what you just said though but there is a difference right there is a difference because because one of them is your imagination and one of them is you're talking to a ghost there's a huge difference because one of them it means ghosts are real and the other one it just means your imagination is real which you absolutely a hundred percent aware of right so we know people have ridiculous imaginations they dream and imagine things constantly right so there is a big difference sure the two of them because one of them one of them gives you a view into a mystical world that

doesn't doesn't in in the eyes of science it doesn't seem to make sense right it doesn't seem to want to exist if there's another world where people can come back from the dead and talk to you and have conversations with you but one of the arguments that i've always used with psychedelic drugs is that if you feel like in a in a psychedelic experience you went to heaven and had a conversation with god or you went to another dimension and talked to the infinite wisdom that controls the the the cells of the universe if you did do that or if you took the drugs and felt like you did that it's the same experience like that's the difference it's like i don't know if god's real and i don't know what the fuck happens when

you take psychedelic drugs but but God damn it feels similar. Sure. Like there's moments where you have intense psychedelic trips where you really do believe you're in the presence of like this pure wisdom and pure love

that sees you in a way that is undeniable and you can't argue it. I think it's a gateway. I don't know. I think sometimes it's your ego. Sometimes it's some weird shit in your brain.

Sometimes I think it's real. I think it's very complicated. It is complicated. But my point is they're the same experience. If you're talking to God or if you're talking to your imagination that creates this God, it's for that brief moment in those 15 minutes, it's the same experience. And I don't know if that's enough, but that's something. Like, I don't know.

Like, your old time on Earth is just time, right? Your time on Earth is just you have a limited finite amount. You got 100 years if you're fucking super lucky and you got good genes. And that's a wrap, right? So we have this little time thing. But during those 15 minutes, which is a small amount of time, but the whole life's small. During those 15 minutes, you are absolutely experiencing something divine. Now, is that in your imagination?

Is that you finding some portal to another dimension? Is that the reason why your brain produces these chemicals in the first place? Is it because we transition during the time of death into this new realm? Is that it? But if your concept of what divinity is includes all of that stuff, it gets to be both, right? Sure, but I mean, like, there's a real problem with defining something that you just can't define. Like, the whole problem with psychedelic trips, I don't know if you guys feel this way, but for me, it's always like, whenever I tell somebody about them, like, why even use words?

Like, the words don't work. They're not enough. they're not enough they're not enough you could scramble them together and say them perfect and scream when you use the words too it can almost like demean the experience like diminish well that's when we're kind of pushing against the limits of language yeah you know and that's why i think there's such a wide array of people's theories and beliefs and thoughts and they're all valid because we don't have there's no agreed upon language to say okay this is how we all feel and this is how we're doing it right you know it's similar it's it just i always go back to music with this stuff but there's a similar

pathway and trend in music where people are constantly redefining the language of it and you know there's a kind of a mainstream um openness to that or there isn't but the idea the point is the language is dynamic you know and it goes on to continuously try and express something that's kind of inexpressible yeah and that's why it acts as a magnet for people's thought because they say okay this this is kind of our pathway of experimentation to understand these phenomenons well it's like mainstream's like the fast food of music a little bit and then there's some more obscure like restaurants off the beaten path that you've never tasted anything like this and they're developing the vocabulary that most people like that fucking tastes gross i'm not eating a cricket you know what i mean but but in 50 years you know that that vocabulary kind of seeps its way in if it's if it has value i always felt like

i mean you guys are the musicians but i always felt like what music sort of is is almost like a vessel that the artist fills with emotion and with like passion and it's almost like doesn't even matter what the words are sometimes sometimes it does because those words and the feeling behind them enhance the song but like Voodoo Child perfect example like there's like a lot of the lyrics aren't particularly

profound like the night I was born say the moon turned I don't even know the lyrics I just know the feeling of the song like I just feel the song yeah it's just about being a bad motherfucker I was born a bad motherfucker bitch i mean he was he wasn't lying who can argue that yeah staring me in the eye they say the moon turned a fire red on the night i was born i mean that's not profound right but when you hear him say it with that guitar behind it with those emotions it carries that song it's like yeah what's profound is is the um it's part of a lineage you know what i mean that's a proclamation

and that's part of blues music and that's part of african music that's part of all this stuff you're just like i'm a fucking man or woman or whatever i'm a human boom here it is so i think yeah but it's more than that with him what he's saying is he's a voodoo child i mean he's basically claiming some robert johnson type shit the night i was born the moon turned a fire red you know yeah did he write that song are we certain who voodoo i don't know who wrote it well because he didn't write like uh all along the watch hour right that's bob dylan yeah but this you know because he, his grandmother was a Native American, so he has all this like. There's two versions, too.

There's one version that's like the real bluesy version of Voodoo Child. You know, there's the Voodoo Child Slight Return, and then there's that other version, which is like much more acoustic or much more guitar driven.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, man. Like he, like guitar sounds is a perfect example. Like Gary Clark Jr. is a perfect example. Like when he came

and played with you guys on stage, I saw you guys downtown a few months back. Dude, when he gets on stage, his sound is Gary Clark Jr. You know what I'm saying? Like you guys were singing Midnight Rider

which was fucking amazing. Did he have pedals with him or did he just plug in? No, he just took my guitar and he's playing it straight in. Dude. But that sound is like a sound that you instantly, like Steve Ray Vaughan had it, Hendrix had it. It's a sound you instantly recognize

like one of his riffs. Crazy. How does someone do that? Right? Because it sounds like you instantly recognize one of his riffs. Yeah. Crazy. How does someone do that? Right? Because it's him. But that's kind of what we're talking about as far as vocabulary, too. Right. You know?

Yeah. And maybe this happens in fighting. I imagine it does. You know, people have techniques or whatever that they slowly turn into their own thing. Oh, sure. Yeah. And that's what makes them. Well, and they're a derivative of a lot of things, of a lot of different techniques.

So then you kind of have this, like, at least for music, I'll speak for myself. I just feel like I have this like garble of stuff that just, when people are like, what are, how would you describe your sound? It's so awkward because you're not like, I sound just like that. Yeah. You know, there's, it's just such a. It's kind of like, billy, billy, billy, billy. Yeah. Really, ring, ring, ring, ring.

Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Yeah, you can't, can't make, what do you sound like? I can't do this. I gotta leave. Don't ask me that question. What kind of comedy are you, Joe Rogan? I did a radio show last week where a guy asked me to make him laugh. Oh, fuck that.

What did you do, Joe Rogan? I said, well, that's not gonna happen. Did you tickle him? I said, what are you, a child? Make me laugh? That made me laugh. It's so ridiculous. Someone calls up on the phone, they're a singer.

You're like, sing me a song. Oh, yeah. People do that all the time. That's really good. People are like, oh, you're a singer? Let's hear you sing. Fuck you. I don't know.

It's a funny feeling. Well, it's humbling. It's super humbling because it's like sometimes we've- Why is it humbling? You're talking to a twat. Well, no. You're talking to someone who doesn't understand. Well, they're being a twat. And sure, but like, I don't know.

I feel like the need to like, even connect with the twats sometimes and just say, hey, yeah, I'll sing for you. If you don't like it, that's fine. I'll sing for you. That's fine. I'm not above that. Connecting to the twats is deep. That was my chair.

Swear to God. You always feel the need to recreate that sound. Let me just move it again like that. One more time. Let everybody know. I would tell you. Just sneak over us. And we're back.

That's weird. That's weird. There's no need for somebody to ask that question. Well, you know. It's just lazy entertaining. It's also that job of being the radio host is a tough fucking job. You get three minutes to talk to someone you never talked to before, and maybe you're not so good at it.

And DJs on radio stations nowadays, they're not even really DJs anymore. They don't get to pick the fucking songs. Who the fuck lets you pick the songs? One dude? Fuck that. Some of them do. There's some big daddies out there. When it comes to commercial radio. There's like 10 stations across

the nation that are still public radio. Kevin and Bean Camp. KCRW. Doesn't Jason Bentley pick his shit? Yeah, but that's a unique thing. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. Like, there's still some people that are holding court. It's like Game of Thrones.

Whoa. Just knocking bitches out. But I think it has to be small stations where not a lot of people are paying attention. Yeah, exactly. Because the big ones, they need the money that's going to dictate the playlist. But that doesn't mean you still can't. If that part of your job as a DJ is even taken away, then what is your fucking job? To be interesting on the air.

They can't do that. Yeah. Do you know how they get ratings? This is the most hilarious thing. Or they did, at least until recently. They still do the Arbitron shit? Is that how they do the radio ratings? The way they do it is they hand out books.

And they ask people to fill out the books. Tell us what you were listening to and when you were listening to it. So what do you get? You get the opinion of assholes that are willing to fill out those fucking books. Who's going to fill out that book? They're going to give you that book and you're going to go, what? I got shit to do. I'm not filling out this fucking

radio book. No, you. Our first record had a single called Little Toy Gun. Yeah, great song. Love that. They were testing that. I guess maybe it's different now. I don't know.

They were calling people, like potential listeners, kind of like a Nielsen vibe, a little. And they would play them a bunch of songs and be like, whoa, do you like it? Like literally over the phone, you'd hear like 20 seconds of a song. And you'd give it a thumbs up or thumbs down. And that's how you're getting the ratings. That's what defines whether our song was successful It's so different now though that there's like it now now you've got internet radio That's free so people don't have to pay for it

They don't have to call in they just have to listen and that is monitored through you know you can you can measure that through Spotify or Pandora or Apple music and Like I I have a single out right now that came out a month ago and it's doing really well. It's called Ghost in My Bed and it's doing better than I thought it would. I had no idea that it would be like jumping from playlist

to playlist. This is our, you know, we're doing solo projects. You know how much of a fucking bad Shut up. But I looked at it came out June 1st. I had like a couple hundred followers on Spotify. And like that week I got like 10,000. And then like the other week it was at like 37,000 followers.

It blew my mind. And I called, I have a PR team. You have a team? We got a team. I got a team, yeah, because I want to own my music. So I hired a publicist, a distributor, and you get your manufacturing and that's really all you need is doing the fucking work.

Isn't that crazy to own your own shit? You got to hire a bunch of people. Well, because record companies make you think that you need them and you don't some of them are great what do they do now like what's what's a record company good for today it would depends if they're actually good at their job they're good at fucking selling music right but that's very rare and that's hard to do and for everybody it's a it's a combination though because obviously like if the music's not good enough it's not gonna work and if it is great but there's there's so many different um you know it's a labyrinth of

oh no we're gonna lose them here we go here we go ben's gonna be all smiles play cool you look great he's gonna be fine you're so funny when you smoke weed did you just say that funny as in like fun yeah like the word fun is in the word fun? Wait, is this a test? I'm just saying we have it now. It's on the internet. You said it. Did she say you're not funny? Is that what goes on? No, we have a lot of fights when Ben gets stoned.

But I also love you and want you to be happy. That means a lot to me. Yeah. You know this is live, right? Yeah, sure do. Sure do. And Ben's mom might listen to it one day. Who knows?

No. You guys are going deep with this. No, but in terms of the record companies and releasing music, they have, I mean, every artist is different. Every approach is different. But I think what's interesting is their jobs are becoming more and more obsolete because of the evolution of the industry. But don't they try to take a piece of your music sales? Oh, everything. But your concert sales, they try to take a piece.

It depends on the deal. It depends on how much leverage you have. But that's really common, right, to take a piece of your concert sales, which seems kind of crazy, the live music. It depends on your position, your situation. Who was it that we had in? What musician? Oh, Everlast was explaining it.

Was he explaining it? Shirley. Was it Everlast? No, Shirley from Garbage. Had it. Yeah, Shirley Manson. I listened tolast was explaining it was he surely was it Everlast no Shirley from Garbage had it yeah I listened to that and it was incredible and she she had a lot of really interesting how cool is she so cool she might be like one of the coolest people they're gonna be here soon Garbage and uh is it Hole are performing at the at the Bowl did you ever see that uh Hole at the Bowl the documentary that said that Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain? Yeah. I started to watch it with my mom and dad. You feel dirty, right?

You feel dirty for watching that. You feel like those ads. It was intense. There was a journal. They put out Kurt Cobain's journals when I was a teenager. They were reading the journals, and I was with my parents. And I was like, I bought the book because I was such a huge fan. And I felt like shit.

I was like, I should not be doing this. I don't want to read these dudes' journals. That dude changed the world. That was another one. That guy had a sound. There was going on you know when the light's out it's less dangerous i mean come on man it's not the words i mean there's something to the words but it's the way he's expressing those words so what's interesting about the uh icons of the decades you know you get the 60s like okay, so the 50s were like, everything's

perfect. We have the cleanest music and we have a cookie cutter home. And this is the wife and this is the husband. And this was like the generation after World War II of like, everything's fine. We're cool. We just came back from war. We're going to make a lot of babies, right? Okay, the 50s and

there's this like total disillusionment of oh no it was more survival i think but then the 60s are like people trying to feel more and that was when psychedelics were coming in but the 50s was elvis and all that stuff that was upending all those things but he was pioneering that, though. Right. That was late 50s, right? Continue. And then going into the 60s of people, like, there's this dichotomy of, like, you know, the people kind of experiencing other areas of life that aren't this, like, sanitized version of society. And blossoming more into the 70s of just like harder rock you know think you know sonically speaking you know you're going into zeppelin and and pink floyd and alice cooper i can't the 80s are interesting that the glam of the 80s i can't really help me out with the significance of like

what that meant to people i think it was it it kind of went back to a little more of this like pristine version of people in society, I feel like. Well, let me give you the clean version of what a lot of people believe happened. Okay. Drugs became illegal. Okay. The 1970 sweeping drug legislations act, the schedule one act from Richard Nixon. As soon as it became illegal to possess anything, whether it's marijuana, which was illegal for a long time, mushrooms, it was really hard to do drugs.

And you just got this massive drop off in the creativity of music in the 80s. Well, then the grunge was the anger that was the product of that disillusionment. Well, they grew up with Reagan on TV. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. And they didn't want plastic. They just wanted everything to be like flannel and it wanted to rain every day. People needed that truth.

They needed that reality and that like expression of what we need now. I don't, I think we need so many different things. We always need love. We always need love. But I think right now we're so complicated in our individual rights, but all, you know, I don't know. People need so many different things now.

You can't really say that. I mean, I'm saying. Tell me why I can't say that. I'm not saying you can't really say that. I'm saying, like, it's so hard to say people need love or people need this or people need education and people need because it's you can't really say that there's any one group of people right there's so many groups of people but I do think people need to get pulled out of the just the spiraling of the phones and the stuff and the social media. And I think the only things that get them out of that are real inspiration.

And I think real inspiration has, is the spectrum of that is very wide, whether it's just a folk song or it's like you're at a club and it's got that whole rhythm of electronic music and you're just with a group of people and you're having this like tribal collective thing cool i think i think that that's why i feel like you ask what people need i don't know everyone needs something different yeah no you're totally right you know and whatever that is i think it just needs to inspire them well just we just need to you know as a group recognize that we're all so fucking different and we got to stop trying to

fit everybody into these little packages well that's like the pronouns of um oh god uh your friend from canada he was just on the podcast jordan peterson yes yeah very interesting stuff yeah very interesting he's a fascinating guy yes well you know he's dealing with a lot of like really weird political correct weirdness this guy's thoughtful guy, a very well-spoken guy. But people want you to follow their guidelines for how you should think and communicate and what you should accept and what you should argue against or not argue against. And it becomes this weird sort of control game that goes on. And that's what's happening with a lot of people in this nation, this fine nation right

now. People are realizing that they have control over people. So they're exerting that control. Almost the same way a person in power does. Like one of the things Abraham Lincoln said that was really brilliant, he said, most men can overcome adversity. I'm paraphrasing. He said, most men can overcome adversity.

If you really want to test a man, give him success. Right. Which I thought was really fascinating. It's like for a lot of people that are in big positions of power, like the President of the United States, for a perfect example. The idea of him getting through that and not falling apart is way... You realize what a bad motherfucker Obama was. Holy shit. falling apart is way like you realize like what a bad motherfucker obama was holy shit like people have zero idea at how good obama's composure was to get through that entire eight years in the

white house without one like really gross misstep socially right yeah you didn't have one well you that's that's i think there's a lot of people that would probably disagree with that, and I wouldn't agree with them. But I think that kind of highlights some of the point. That's just an ideological thing, though. There was one thing that he said he was joking around at that White House press correspondence dinner about the Jonas Brothers and about he has two words for them. I don't remember that. It was something about drones. What's the word?

What kind of drones are used? What's the big name for the drone? Oh, God. There's like a name, another name for the drone. There's like a type of drone. Isn't there? R2D2. Didn't he say that to them? To the Jonas Brothers? I sort of remember. Yeah, he's got like a name. There's a name for one of the drones.

It's one of the things that he said. And it was like, come on, man. You've killed like 84% civilians with drones. Or the United States has. Like to say, to joke around about a drone with someone who wants to date your daughter. Come on, man. Like what was the? Oh, wow. Look how young he looks.

Oh, Predator drones. They'd send a Predator after them if they were fucking around. Wow, look at him. Look at him. So young. Sasha and Malia are huge fans. 2010. But boys don't get any ideas.

I have two words for you. Predator drones. Damn. It's bad. You'll never see it coming. He's joking around about killing people. Do you know how many people lost their children to predator drones while he was in office?

A lot. A lot. Wow. A lot. Those things, they take, look, the people that are trying to kill those terrorists out there and the ISIS members and all the different people that are doing horrible things like blowing up Ariana Grande concerts and all that kind of shit. I mean, the people that are trying to stop those people have an insanely difficult job. Don't get me wrong. But when you're shooting missiles out of robots and you're killing mostly innocent people,

it's not like close. It's not like half and half. Like they kill half bad guys, half good guys. No, they kill mostly good people. But it kind of speaks. Oh, sorry. It's okay. It speaks more to the position of the president

as being a tough fucking job. And the face of it. Because you can't be a comedian. And a comedian can say whatever the fuck, and it's fine because you're a comedian or whatever. I would have had better delivery than that. But sure, I know. Of course.

I'm imagining it right now. See it coming? A mile away? I've got two words for you. Oh, they're going to be funny words. You know, it's just joking around about something that's dark. You know, it's like

you'll never see it coming. Ha ha ha. Like a lot of those people that died. Thousands. That's kind of fucked up. If you were living in a country where Obama was the guy who made the call and the missiles came from the drones and killed your dad. And you have to watch him joke around about shooting missiles

at some kids who want to fuck your pretty daughters. Whoa. You know, that's, we don't look at it that way because we're over here. But how can we? Like, how can you process that level of, I don't know, that's a shitty word for it but like there's so much shit going on this is why all the social media is happening because along with being a distraction and a problem it's also helping us cope with the degree of the world you know i mean there's so many fucking people how how could you ever be sensitive no but this is to the entire situation while being an authentic

person does that make sense yeah but i i think this is what we were talking about earlier of like trying to i mean at the fucking smallest level of like learn how to apologize but learn learn how to be different from each other and also work together and know that like we have different speeds and different beliefs and, you know, have compassion. And I think that's where it's really crazy to have so much exposure to the global events and become desensitized to them because there's so much stuff that eventually like you can't compute, you can't process it. But it doesn't, I mean, obviously there's no excuse for making jokes about drones. Well, he probably didn't realize it. He had to make some jokes and somebody wrote that for him. But no, you're totally right.

There's too much information. You're getting news from 7 billion people. And we're putting it on one man when he is not just one man, but he is a group of people working together, but he has to speak for everyone. And and so does Trump and so does whoever is president. And and that's what's really interesting is that I think what has happened now with the election of Trump is that people are becoming so much more aware that there's an entire cabinet and Congress and the people that we elect, that we choose, are going to be part of that entire team. And it's really, it's...

It's focusing people on politics in a way it never has before. Right. That's the good thing. Yeah, it is. You get to see corruption in a weird way, like a real transparent way. Speaking of corruption, and I talked to you about this guy um about uh represent us and it's this organization that i went to this meeting and was really informed for the first time i'd never really understood how people um in congress kind of came to be these um you know

runners in these elections whereas it costs 40 to 60 000 a day to run for congress that's insane and that is legal that's not illegal that's so crazy and uh josh silver i talked to you about him a little bit uh started this organization and they're they're working on how long anti-corruption bills so that anybody can run some You know, an incredibly over-accomplished, you know, over-qualified person from, say, Columbia or Harvard or wherever in the world or in the states who we elected. Whereas, like, these people that cost that much money to run, they're controlled by the Koch brothers and all the major oil industries. What do they spend the money on if it costs that much a day? That's just the game. Transportation,

advertisement, promotion, staff, all this shit. If you don't play that game. But here's the thing, you can qualify. If you ran for Senate or something, you wouldn't be spending $60,000 a day. That's what's interesting, right? Because you have a platform already.

And people have platforms in the world. That's Donald Trump. Well, did you know that when you have a platform, you're running for something like Stanhope was running for president for a while. We had a friend that ran for president. What he found while he was running for president is that he couldn't do stand-up shows anymore. Because if he was going to do something on stage, he would have, if it was like a public forum

where people were coming to see him, he would have to allot time for his opponents. Right. And I was like, what? And he's like, yeah. Crazy. He goes, it's a crazy scam. It's like you can't. Rules of the game. Yeah. There's a lot of like weird, freaky, old school rules back when people would stand on a

soapbox and scream out to a large group of people those those rules still apply Crazy, but but the thing is you can do you can still if you have 10 million people being like that's a stupid rule Or however many it takes it'll change maybe but look it's still federally illegal to smoke marijuana There's no reason why we just did, but it's state legal. But federally, it's still illegal. So am I driving? It's not as simple as 10 million people can say they don't want it anymore.

You're totally right. And that's the same thing that's going to go on with our political system. It's like, yeah, it needs an overhaul. Yeah, it needs to be changed. It needs to be updated for the internet and the 2017 world that we live in. And we need to figure out a better way to do it. We don't need the same sort of representative government that we always needed when you had to

take a message from a fucking horse and travel across the world. The thing is, it's like, if you want that to change from the ground up, you're asking the people that are currently in office to bet against themselves. To say, hey, let's make it illegal

you're asking them to behave as citizens is what you're asking right and you're asking them to stop thinking that they're better or different than us and that's where it becomes unfathomable well they have to how is this possible they have to just like everybody else i hope we all have to realize that we're all the same thing and every there's there's no kings anymore and there should be i mean edward snowden tweeted this the other day that people couldn't at one point in time, couldn't imagine the idea that one day there'd be no Kings. And they're going to say that the same thing about presidents one day. And it's for sure going to happen. The presidents or whoever runs for Congress or Senator, they have to come to an understanding that they are no different than

us. And just because they're in positions of power, they're not different. We are all just people. And that if you have extra power over people and you utilize it, you should be ashamed of yourself. You should feel horrible. Did you guys hear what Chris Christie did? The beach thing? He closed down the beaches in New Jersey and then vacationed on the beaches with his family. They closed him down due to budget cuts. He should have put a shirt on.

He did have a shirt on. He had a shirt on. Is that what that was? But he he had a shirt on but he got caught he got caught lying they asked him did you get any son he said no i didn't get any son then the pictures came out and he's like i had they said oh mr christie had a baseball hat on so he didn't get any son like no that's not a loophole you were lying you're still in the sun you're not in a house right if you're not in a house you're getting sun you fucking this is that whole like play on words bullshit that's happening in the media where it's like people are you know you don't they just you know circumvent around the truth or whatever they're trying to say with just just stupid rhetoric it's so annoying i fucking hate it it's changing it's got and i don't know how is it changing ben it's changing because if this was 60 years ago, that news wouldn't have gotten out.

There would have been ways to just crush that, and there still are. That's so true, though. You're right. It's definitely changing. Yeah, there's kind of a leeway. Too many iPhones to hide that stuff. Not just that. I mean, look what you're doing right now.

You're talking to millions of people. I guess. Oh, God. Don't tell me that. You're saying it to millions of people, and then millions of people are going guess. And you're saying that. Don't tell me that. Well, you're saying it to millions of people and then millions of people are going to have similar conversations because of that. When you hear something interesting

that someone talks about, you start talking about, hey, I heard this interesting conversation. Really made me think about something. And then that just wasn't even available 10 years ago. It wasn't available 20 years ago. Like all of the social media stuff, all of the, whether it's uh youtube videos

that people can make or podcasts that people can make or whatever the fuck it is blogs that people can write all of it is just information and that flow of information has never been greater it is an unstoppable river now you know to the point where that's why that baked Alaska dude was laughing. Like the fucking president jumped into the river. Like he's in the crazy river putting up memes and talking shit about people, joking around about some lady having a fucking plastic surgery. She had like a facelift and he said she was bleeding. Like, do you believe that? Do you believe that the president is saying that?

It's like, wow. Well, this is like, what's that movie? That movie, um, uh, Luke Wilsonson and um idiocracy idiocracy it's it's happening it is really happening well it's for sure a bad system that no one wants to join in like if you're elon musk why the fuck would you want to be president you can bang supermodels and build rocket ships boom boom why don't i want you know about our car do you know the funny story about our touring vehicle i do not oh it's great drop it so uh oh my god ben is it three years ago yeah 2015 2015 so in spring of 2015 we thought it would be this is when we put punk kid up for uh donations so we could buy a car so we could. And we didn't want to buy a van because that's annoying. Who wants a van?

And we ended up, we were looking at SUVs, and we found a Cadillac Escalade 2007. Suze decided to start. Well, they're all the same car. P.S. Ford Expeditions, Escalades, Navigators, whatever the year, they're the same structure, just different clothes. And there was a great deal on a Cadillac Escalade.

And we had a lot of touring in front of us. And we bought it. And we bought it with 60,000 miles on it. And it was in mint condition, which was really strange. And the used car salesman's like, there's clearly no kids in the back seat. There's no Cheerios stuck between the seats. And so we ended up buying this car. And we were looking through the user manual to, like, what does this button do?

And the former owner registration fell out. So we already got Elon Musk. And Ben had this great idea. Ben had this great idea to get him to design a Tescalade for better economical touring. But to put it into perspective, though, we bought it with 60,000 miles, and now it has like 160,000 miles on it. And that was just about a little over two years ago. Have you seen that shit he's going to do in California where he bores holes under Los Angeles and makes tunnels and you ride on a sled through the tunnel? I heard about this briefly, actually.

Yeah, you drop down into this tunnel and you don't drive your car. Wait, this is like Tron. Jamie will pull it up and you can see it. So watch what happens. Jamie's so fast. You pull up to this thing. How do you do this, Jamie? He's a wizard. You pull up to this thing and it drops you down. Drops your car?

Yeah, it drops you down. Drops your car. Yeah, it drops you down. You get in the queue and you drop down and then you get on a sled. Your car's on a sled, so you're not driving anymore. And your car could be on a solar-powered sled, too, by the way, with all the power we have in L.A. from the sun. I mean, it never stops being sunny out. If they wanted to make these giant solar banks to power this thing, I bet they could.

But there's a video of it, like the idea of it, the animated version of it. So, of course, everyone in the street is driving a Tesla. There's nothing but Teslas. I mean, Jesus Christ. And old, rotten, shitty cars from the 60s. Do you have to pay more to get on the sled to be the elite? Yeah, otherwise you're one of those twats. Super traffickers.

So watch this. You drop down. And then once you drop down, you are in these tunnels, these buildings that are totally earthquake-proof. Don't worry. When they fill up with water and kill you and your family, don't sweat it. They're totally earthquake-proof. Look at this. Make sure you have your go-bag ready.

I'm a fan of this. And your oxygen mask. I'm a fan of this. This is like premium access freeways. I just need everybody to understand that when the 1,000 foot waves come, you will not survive in these fucking tubes. They will fill up with water and you will drown.

Joe, I'm so scared. Most likely that tsunami is not coming, but if and when. This is insane. That's a wrap. A lot of thumbs down. Yeah, because people are freaking out about the ocean. We're right next to the fucking ocean and the ground moves. Okay?

We should be flying, Elon! Flying cars! Where's your goddamn hovercraft? We're going to do it on Mars, dude. Make flying cars that have batteries in the front so they can't hit each other. So they're like rappel. Well, I watch bumper cars. Well, rappel.

You don't want to bump, dude. You want to rappel. Like two magnets. Ben, don't bump. Rappel. Jesus, man. Magnets. I watched this Vice. You don't want to bump, dude. You want to repel. Like two magnets? Ben, don't bump. Repel. Jesus, man. Magnets. I watched this vice.

Hold on. I'm writing that down. I watched this vice last night that scared the Jesus out of me. What was it? It was, they were showing just, you know, technological intelligence to overtake cars and control the computers in the cars. And it was crazy. It was just like hacking. Hacking into any kind of car.

And I'm going to shut you down and run you off this cliff. Or I'm going to, you know, fuck with you and make your windows go up and down. And it's crazy. I mean, I don't want to be scared. I don't want to live with like, oh, God. And I try not to. But that's fucking crazy. Fucking crazy. You know that journalist, I think, and I try not to, but that's fucking crazy. Fucking crazy.

You know that journalist, they think the big conspiracy theory is that he was killed because they overtook the controls of his car and slammed him into a tree and made him go 120 miles an hour. Yeah, what's his name? Michael, he was a famous journalist

who wrote a story in the Rolling Stones about a general. And it was, he was embedded with them i believe it was in iraq might have been afghanistan and he was no no it wasn't about betrayers it was another general no no it was a different general michael hastings thank you yeah so he wrote this article about this general the general had to step step down because the general was joking around about obama or something like that and there was just like some he got a little loose what is this there's a close sitting footage this is the i don't i don't think i want so this apparently

they tried to say that he committed suicide and some people believe he did commit suicide and some people believe so he's just flying down and just slams into a tree and his fucking car blows up um here's the thing though and this is like in the interest of full disclosure they they apparently said that they found amphetamines on him on his body right so that could mean that uh he was under the influence of amphetamines when it happened or it could mean That he takes adderall because a lot of journalists take adderall so they found it in his system It doesn't necessarily mean he was speeded up when he was driving like a fucking maniac because he was off the rails It could just easily have meant that he uses adderall to get his workload done which a shitload of journalists do. So it might not have meant anything. And we talked to people that are experts.

Boy, people that are experts that weigh in on conspiracy car crash evidence, they're weirdos. It's hard to find like who's right and who's wrong. But some people said that the way the car had separated, the way the engine had exploded and launched itself from the car indicates some sort of an explosion, more it doesn't impact. Exploded and launched itself from the car indicates some sort of an explosion more. It doesn't impact Hmm, you know cuz it just all you know hit that hit the tree and blew up all at once But again could be bullshit, but it is fucked up because the guy wrote a very he wrote a very scathing

Article about this general and it made the general retire and I know that guy got a shit-ton of death threats And he was telling everybody that if somebody kills me like be be sure that I didn't kill myself him Fuck that's crazy They can take over your car because your cars a computer your car a lot of cars today are Connected to the internet through Wi-Fi a lot of cars like they they have their own Wi-Fi hub Like you buy a new Escalade it comes with a Wi-Fi hub so all the people in the car can play on their iPads or whatever while you're driving.

You link up to the internet that's on the actual car itself. That's a computer. It's a computer. It's connected to the net. You drive it around. Somebody just gets in there. I mean, there's no bounds at this point how can you keep things organized probably isn't the right way but how do you keep us all

alive without surrendering personal freedom like boom boom but like we can't we kind of a crazy it's gonna on a good question this lighter stopped working i see what the deal was yeah we don't have to talk about what you you know you don't you don't really have an answer to that question because we don't even know what they could really do right now well especially if part of the important thing we need to accept is that we're all the same thing then we have to accept that we all have to start acting like the same thing at the same time, right? That's a very good point, but it gets lost when you start talking about people that are in the military and that are dealing with national emergencies or national security situations. When you make a general retire because you chose to write an article

about some things you heard him say that gets him fired and then somehow or another the military becomes compromised because this very important leader is no longer in a position of power. That's a very tricky situation. It's very tricky. You did get the scoop and you did get to say how this guy was communicating, you know, candidly. But these things are happening. They're happening interdependently and also completely enmeshed.

Like you can't enmesh the way that all these things, technology, blah, blah, blah, is developing. But there's no way this dude, they can control that much. There's no way people can control where this is going. And by this, I mean everything to that degree. So you just have to deal with all these new phenomena that are happening. Oh, yeah, for sure. Look at this. This is the article, The Runaway General, the profile that brought down McChrystal.

The Rolling Stone profile of Stanley McChrystal that changed history. That's crazy. That one article can get a general fire change history. And it's crazy the guy who wrote it is dead. Dead as fuck. And they think dead from a crazy conspiracy. Michael Hastings. You know,

who the fuck knows? But boy does it get exciting. Is that something about... Bradley Pitt. Wow. So he's playing the general in this movie? He's playing a runaway general. There's this Netflix movie called War Machine.

Movie based on Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings. Wow, they're doing a movie based on that thing happening. That's crazy. It's already out, yeah. Is it? Yeah, it's on Netflix now. Get the fuck out of here. I didn't know that's what it was crazy. It's already out, yeah. Is it? Yeah, it's on Netflix now. Get the fuck out of here. I didn't know that's what it was about.

It's a Netflix movie? Yeah. Dude, Netflix almost has too much content. It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. And it's funny because there's so much content that the quality's not that great. So you get some shows,

and like this weekend, I had this 25 minutes in. No. I just couldn't fucking land on anything. What were you trying to land on? Something with substance and just more thought. And I ended up watching Harry Potter, Goblet of Fire, and I was so happy with my choice. Let me tell you something. I just started reading

Harry Potter. Let's leap to that. We'll get us out of this. Jesus Christ. Harry Potter's an important figure, dude. We can't ignore it. There's a lot of parallels to the wizarding world and our fucking weird world

and politics. There's politics in the wizarding world and our fucking weird world and politics. There's politics in the wizarding world as well. Do you do magic? Did you guys ever go to the Harry Potter ride at Universal? No, not yet. I haven't finished. I'm a book and a half from finishing, so I don't know what happens. Don't fuck it up for me.

No, the ride. I'm talking about the ride at Universal. Yeah, but I don't want to entertain. Do you really think I know the plot to any of those fucking books? I feel like you do, and you're just plain cool. Let us tell you, Joe. Here we go. Let's act this out.

So then, so it's not decided who's driving. There's more in the back, too. Oh, I'll drive. Here, give it to me. I don't give a shit. Do you have any protein bars? Yes, yes. Plenty of protein bars.

We're going to be fine. Just always Uber. Worry not, my friends. We will get through this with a steady hand. approaching bars yes yes plenty approaching bars we're gonna be fine it's always uber worry not my friends we'll get through this with a steady hand there is no concern but the harry potter ride at uh universal is the shit it's really fun it's fucking crazy you've been there oh yeah yeah it's fun yeah it's really fun does it feel i was telling you about this maybe it's the same thing don't you get on a broom and it feels like you're flying? It's not a broom. You're sitting in a chair, but you're flying around.

Yeah, like you kind of would be if you were in a broom. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on, just dragons and shit. It's fun. Oh my God. It's a really good ride. It's like it's really well made. You don't understand. Is this level of excitement right now?

Just so excited about Harry Potter? So I was a Harry Potter late bloomer, okay? I was all Lord of the Rings. I read Dune, loved Dune. I'm a Harry Potter late bloomer. Okay. I was all Lord of the Rings. I read Dune, love Dune. You know, I've just like, I'm a total nerd and I,

I didn't read Harry Potter and Ben really encouraged me this past year. And he got me the sorcerer stone, which is the first book. And I just can't stop. And we don't have to, I won't, I won't, but it's,

it's amazing. Like I can't, I can't tell you how But you don't have to. I won't. I won't. But it's amazing. Like, I can't tell you how much joy it's brought me as an adult. Yeah. Wow. Here's the thing. I think, I feel like I have an affinity for, like, fighting darkness just in myself. Why? Because I'm fucking dark.

But I'm also very light. So, you know as such is life and it's yeah here we go you're going in I'm going in but I for the folks listening at home they both made digging motions the last book the last book was

The Order of the Phoenix which is very political because there's you know a political presence there's the government excuse me, within the wizarding community. And it was just really interesting to be reading that while also like watching our local news and our global news.

And just, it's all part of the same story in terms of manipulation and what we interpret as truth. And it was just an interesting experience to read that book. And then to listen to like my favorite podcasts and, and news outlets and be like, this isn't any different than Harry Potter. It's all based on the familiarity of problems in human nature,

right? Sure. It's all based on good and evil and fuck ups and and ego and power yeah that's right value of JK Rawlings Harry Potter business is worth 25 billion whoa cool that seems like a lot. She's rolling. Do you think she's willing to get married? How does that work? No, I should save the joke. You got a joke? No, I'm going to save the joke.

Suze. Suze. No. Suze. No. You guys know this is live, right? Don't argue over saving jokes. Just say the fucking joke.

Boom. This better be good. Oh, my God. How did it happen? We hotboxed her. She's doing it. We hotboxed her She didn't even smoke

Oh I can't Okay Don't do it It's not my joke It's not my joke Let's just pull out of this It's not my joke We're about to hit the ocean

How did How did Harry Potter Get down the hill How Walking JK Rowling Solid I don't understand it

I know She's the It's okay It's not my joke I didn't come up with it I heard's okay. It's not my joke. I didn't come up with it. I heard it second hand. It's like a third hand. J.K. Rowling is the punchline. But the joke is... And also the author of the famous Harry Potter books. See, I knew this was a bad idea.

Nope, it's over. A little rough delivery. You say walking. J.K. Ben knows I should have aborted the mission. Don't put this on me, Laura. Oh my god. J my god JK meaning just kidding JK Rowling It's okay

I'm starting to like it better now I'm just so glad you told that on Joe's podcast I don't give a fuck I love dad jokes I love stupid jokes Get at me She's owning it I made a plan Hey tell me about this fucking crazy guitar you guys have that

somebody gave you Oh Oh the National what happened it's outside what what happened with that guitar that things insane it's a beautiful guitar there's a company called national and they the looking. They gave us one. Well, I think they like us, but they also like you. That was a part of it. We have to admit that. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, thanks, dude.

No, I didn't do anything. Thank you, them. That's a crazy looking guitar. That's not a normal guitar. Yeah, it's a resonator, so it has... I can't actually remember. I think it has tricone resonators, which means it has... Show me the thing.

You want to hear some music? Is that what you're getting at? No, no, I want to see that guitar. That's it right there, right? That's closer to it. No, that's not it. But it's close. Pioneer.

Is that it, Ben? No, that's not the one. Now, I thought a guitar had to be made out of wood. No. I mean, well, this is technically, well, it's a different kind of guitar. Some call them Dobros. I'm definitely not claiming any guitar knowledge. So there's a cone

inside of i feel like i want ben here so i don't book this up but um there's a resonator inside like a speaker uh inside of see see how there's all this um kind of mesh look will you go back up for a second that one yeah that okay that's like a built-in speaker and you can plug them in so they're electric so it's a speaker like a car speaker like a stereo speaker um not necessarily no i mean it's a uh without electronics there's a cone inside that that the the sound uh resonates louder like a banjo kind of a little bit okay um So it's not like a stereo speaker. National, I'm really sorry if I just butchered the pitch. Well, Jamie's an actual audio engineer. It's not powered.

But it has a specific tone to it that isn't like your regular acoustic or electric guitar. And when you plug it in, it sounds amazing. And it has sort of like a down-homey vibe, and it's beautiful. Down-homey vibe. Isn't that interesting? Mm-hmm a down-homey vibe and it's beautiful. Down-homey vibe. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Down-homey vibe. Like down-homey music. Like acoustic music is like down-homey music, right? Well, yeah. I mean, folk music and soul music are down-home. Resonator for guitar cover, cover plate for biscuit bridge. Ben, I might have butchered the whole explanation of what a national

is and I really hope that you can help me. She nailed it. Okay, so is there any wood on that? Is the back of that thing? The fretboard's wood and the headstock and the neck. I'm gonna pee. But the body's metal. That thing's insane looking, man. And so what kind of a different sound

does this thing make than a regular guitar? Wow. So it's just a lot louder. It cuts a lot more. It's more resonant. It's got a metal sound to it. Yeah, sure. So if I had a slide, these things are great for playing slide with.

Because. Jamie's got something. What do you got? A lighter? I probably fucked that up. But you can kind of. You want a round one or a flat one? Round.

But you can kind of hear it maybe. Ooh. Yeah, I sound like shit. But you know what I mean. Like some old school blue shit. What is that there? Exactly. Cigar. Cig know what I mean. Some old school blues shit. What is that there? Exactly. Cigar.

Cigar. Try that round cigar thing. Cohiba. Ooh. Ooh. Whenever I hear that kind of shit, I think of like old blues. Yeah, because all that Robert Johnson stuff, he's playing slide. All that.

He probably didn't have it resonated though Wow Yeah, I suck at playing a slide But it's Are you a John Lee Hooker fan? Oh yeah, my God God damn, was that guy a bad motherfucker. Is he still around?

No, he's dead. When did he pass? Maybe 10 years ago. Because he was old. He was playing when he was in his 90s. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I didn't discover him until he was probably in his 80s.

2001. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, my God. That's so good. You know what? This will be a big big ups on Gary. When I saw, we saw Gary for the first time.

He was just acoustic. We played this show with him. This was like 2011 or something. And he made me feel like John Lee Hooker. Cause it was just him. And there's this hypnosis that he can kind of set over you. Yeah. You know,

that's like a real blues thing. That's where you get deeper into it. These guys can really play that music. It's the same thing. John Lee Hooker, you listen to it and you're kind of like in trance. Jamie, find my Instagram where Honey Honey had Gary Clark

together on stage. You guys were doing Midnight Rider. I filmed a little bit of it and put it up on Instagram. It was just so crazy. I did everything that I hate people doing at comedy clubs.

Nerd. Oh, look, there's my hat. Oh, God. Like, listen to that. That's so Gary Clark. He's so cool Clark he's so cool that's me playing both of you

now it's the other oh it's so fucking good. Oh, I got a lot of crap for this I know because she had to check the lyrics But let me just explain this for all the assholes That gave her crap She didn't know the words to the song They did this impromptu song live on stage In front of all these people

And she had to check her phone for the lyrics I had to block some dude who was being such a fucking cock. And I was like, I'm sorry. Don't mention him. Don't mention him. I'm not going to. She just needs attention. Screw that dude.

But I, you know, whatever. Shit happens. You know, it was such a fun night. We did a song I didn't know, and I wanted to sing the words properly, and I had to look them up on my phone. Listen to me, Suzanne. I thought I was texting some dude, and that wasn't the case. Thousands of people enjoyed that. One or two

were cunts and you're focusing on the wrong ones. Thank you Joe. Thank you. It was amazing. You've always been our social media Yoda dude. You are. You gotta just know when to stop. Put out the right vibe be yourself and get the fuck out of Dodge when shit gets weird. Just get

away. You can't control it. You definitely can't argue with it. Well, and you're right. And it is an effort to not care because I... But you do care. We should all care. Well, I just like love people. I really do. You gotta recognize what that person is.

And unless you're like a really shitty person, it's hard. And I want to love that person too, I think. But it's not about caring. It's because you're gonna care. It's about like recognizing what that person is and then not letting them into your house. Agreed. Like, you know what that is. It's a dummy. They just care. It's about recognizing what that person is and then not letting them into your house. Agreed.

Agreed. You know what that is. That's a dummy. They just want to get mad about stuff. Especially if you found out what it was, that you were just checking the lyrics to a song that you'd never sang before and you were singing live with Gary Clark Jr. Damn. In front of a fuck...

And it was like midnight in downtown LA in some weird ass bar. Oh man, that was weird. Yeah, that was weird. That was badass. That makes me want to move to downtown L.A. Does it? Live like Batman. Some sort of a warehouse and fucking have an English dude wash his shit over for him.

Batman's pretty unhappy, Joe. So you think from the outside. You don't know him, man. People might think you're unhappy. All those musicians, they're all dark. Wait, why is Batman unhappy? Because he's lonely as fuck. How do you know that? What are you talking about? know him man you might think you're unhappy all those musicians are all dark. Why is Batman unhappy? Because he's lonely as fuck. What are you talking about? I feel like all the movies are going into how bummed out he is all the time because he can't share what he's doing. Because he has to live in secret? Yeah exactly. He could, he just needs a couple of good friends. He can't get the

validation. Yeah he's got one old British dude. One old friend. And funny. He just needs more friends. Yep. Like, if I was Batman, I feel like I could tell you and you wouldn't tell anybody. You're absolutely right. You are Batman. There's a few people. You just didn't know. Did you ever see that? There was a, oh, I guess it was actually a comic book. It was a forgetful professor.

It was a professor in the comic book. This guy was, he was forgetful about all these different things, but he was like a super genius professor. And at the end of the comic book, he recognized that he was actually an alien from another planet

that came down to Earth to help us innovate. Hate to break it to you, Joe, but you are also an alien from another planet that came down here to innovate us. That was so silly.

Joe's purring right now. You know it's true. Oh, boy. You guys should do more of those weird little downtown shows, though. We should. You should. Those were fun. Those were so strange.

It was a really fun night. Midnight. And it was so great because you were there. That's why it was great. We had a great time. It was awesome. It was fun. It was pretty fucking badass.

Yeah, that was amazing. Intimate shows are so big. They're so different. You almost kind of have to do them. If you just J-Lo the whole thing, and you're on these big-ass giant stages for the rest of your life. Is she on big-ass giant stages? I would imagine.

Oh, yeah. If she's doing anything, she's going to be separated from everybody, right? They're going to bring her in. You're not getting close to that. White rose petals at her feet and shit. Damn. But I mean, I think that... One day, Ben.

One day. As attractive as that is... We're going to do it. Hold on. There's the counterpoint. Yeah, you don't want that. As attractive as that thought seems, that's the worst thing that can ever happen to you. Because it gets so separated from everybody that you're up on some giant ass stage and

everywhere you go you can't interact with people it depends i just we just both saw roger waters last or two weeks ago and it was incredible tony went he said it was insane oh my god and and i think i think there's a well i mean it's it's a reason there's a reason that he's doing what he's doing and people are coming to see him because it's incredible and it's authentic and it's raw and like that man has obviously he has teams around him that help build that show he doesn't do that by himself but um it was oh man it wasn't white rose petals it was it was beautiful music that's a different thing that's a different thing well that's that fast food thing we were kind of talking about earlier and i think there's a place for that too sometimes you're fucking starving and you need something right now there's also like a lot of money in being that icon that diva that thing

you know it's like it's a very attractive position to try to attain it's almost like you just run a little too close to the sun and burn the wax off your wings. Some of it's authentic and some of it is totally you are a machine. You are part of the manufactured idealism that you represent. And that is a heavy burden. I don't wish that on anybody. What's probably not inauthentic is people's ambition to get there. I think the people in those positions are so fucking ravenous for that kind of attention. And that's the only way you would possibly climb to the top of that mountain you know yeah you have to be fucking focused i don't know i i think some people are are manipulated i don't know i think

michael jackson i think some people have an idea of the art and they're also exploited within that realm because the some parts of the record industry are fucking insidious. Right. You know, and they take, like, remember you were talking about that documentary with these like 15 year old kids that were so talented, but they were like clearly just getting just sucked into the thing. Well, you're too young. You're too young to know what you're doing. There's just no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

In order to make the decision to be a giant, like Michael Jackson. We were talking about Jackson 5 earlier. Like when you sing in ABC. I mean, he was a fucking baby. Yeah. He was a baby. And he was on TV. You know, he was on, he was a huge star. But also, like, he had his family running the show

and it was like a really fucked up dynamic. And so it was almost like his, I mean, don't get me wrong, his talent was undeniable, but like his family were the record industry in that respect dude his talent was so undeniable that he was the youngest one and he got to sing could you imagine you grew up with four bad motherfuckers as brothers your dad is a professional musician and you are so good they're like okay let him sing yeah like everybody else must have wanted to sing. They all did their solo projects afterwards. They didn't say shit while Michael had the microphone.

They're just like, let him sing, let him sing, let him sing. Just let him sing. Yeah, and people reacted to that in a real way, right? I mean, that's what, you know, there's the exploitative aspect, and then it's like everybody wanted to fucking see him sing. I wish I saw him sing. It was two things, all right? It was this emergence of this incredible sound that came out of this one person

and all the different projects that he was involved in. And then it was also the tragic, almost like decimating of a potential life. Because his life only existed so strongly in the public eye that it didn't exist anywhere else in a normal form. Outside, it was just a chaos a mess of hanging out with kids and weird relationships with women that didn't seem real and living in an amusement park it was just a mess it was just a total disaster like everything outside of the magic that he did in the public eye was just hell it was really weird because

what he did in the public eye like thriller and beat It was really weird because what he did in the public eye, like Thriller and Beat It and all those different things, I mean, they were so, so intense. Like, I was in high school when all that stuff was going on, and I remember just watching, like, Thriller on television, you know, when they had the premiere, the music video, and everybody sat around and watched Thriller when it came out. There was nothing like that ever. Oh, yeah. Ever. It's crazy. Like, sort of like when they had the premiere, the music video, and everybody sat around and watched Thriller when it came out. There was nothing like that ever.

Oh, yeah. Ever. It's crazy. Like, sort of like when Hendrix came along, there was nothing like that before. Well, when Michael Jackson came along, there was nothing like that before either. You're like, what the fuck? Like, someone had taken the whole thing and put it in this totally new package where it was like this feminine guy. And he had one glove on and he was dancing and everybody wanted to move like him.

And it's like, what in the fuck is this guy doing? Right. Well, this is kind of back to your like Freddie Mercury kind of dick out thing. It's like he did what he wanted to do and he was iconic because of it. I think that's part of it. It's like, you just have to own it. Well, but he did it on a level that was undeniable just like he talked about before because he because of his ambition it wasn't just I'm gonna be me it was like I am gonna be me to the furthest extent that I possibly fucking can and this is what happened you know I mean I have a friend who went to his

house up in Los Olivos and they went they toured his dance studio and he had this private dance studio in this mirrors against the wall and there's This groove in the floor and this is you know He was later in his life at this point But he had worn out a part of the floor from just practicing his shit Wow and this is way beyond his teens and 20s That's just like who he was all the time You know what people don't respect that song dragon attack of time you know what people don't respect that song dragon attack i don't know that i don't know but you stared into my soul when you said it dragon attack i know the troll quiver song ogre battle

it's one of those songs that people forgot and you can play it i don't know we could play it but the people on youtube can't hear it and we'll probably have to we could play it for us though right we have to do some fancy editing probably gonna. Are we going to get in trouble? We get yanked off YouTube for everything. We show a video of a caterpillar, we get yanked off YouTube. Wait, we can't use YouTube? We got yanked the last time we did it. We get yanked off YouTube for stuff. Like when we put things on the air that are on YouTube that someone else has.

Listen to this. This is Dragon Attack. People don't remember this. Just think about... Give me some volume. Like... Come on. Massive.

That dick's just out. Oh my god! Come on. Nasty. It's an unforgotten classic. You have to have Brian May. It gets better. On your podcast.

Who? The guitar. Dick's out. Dick's out. Dicks out. Woo! What? Come on. It feels so good Alright we'll have to fade out here We'll have to fade out here

We're getting trouble Come on Dragon attack People have slept on dragon attack That shit is nasty That's one of the queen's best songs It's just occurring to me right now What is that sound?

Do you hear that? What is that? Check to see if that's my car. This is the cigar holder. Maybe the feds. It's the building? Oh, no. Oh, is there a fire alarm? Hmm. Oh, it's probably next door. I was getting robbed.

Should we go intervene, guys? What kind of weapons do you have in this place? Oh, we got Joe Rogan. We're good. We got a lot of shit. Joe, you are a human weapon. Definitely not. There's bullets. Bullets are super hard to defend against. Okay. I saw, I told you I saw

Baby Driver last night. Baby Driver, yeah, you were saying earlier. Oh my god. It's really good, huh? Everyone needs to see it. That's what I keep hearing. Speaking of incredible music and just a great story, it's the... You guys hear that sound? That sound in the background is preventing us from playing you beautiful, harmonious music. But we just can't.

Same laugh. Are you laughing? I keep trying to ask him. What do you want to ask? If you have... You've got to get Brian May on your podcast. I would love to. Oh, my God.

What's going on, young Jeremy? Nobody's there. Nobody's next door? And the alarm's going off? So this will be going on forever, and this is why we're moving It's kind of cool. We should turn it into a rap song like like NWA. You know his like You know we can kind of just I would imagine that these things have a time limit where they're allowed to stay on I don't know. I think I don't know about that the alert needs to be gonna find out fervent and

Yeah, but what happens? We weren't here, so it goes back on. And then the security people have to come. Is somebody getting robbed? What's next door? Is it worth checking out? No. It's not anything exciting?

Just a bunch of shit. I don't know what happened. Bummer. We might have to wrap this bitch up. Can we talk through that? Sure. What's that? Sure. What's that? Give me like a minute or two and I'll see if there's someone out there that's going to unlock it or stop it soon.

But I don't know if it'll stop. Yeah, I wonder what's going to happen. This could be one of our shortest pod... I don't know how long we've been going. We've been going for a while. It's already 4.30. We've been going since 2, right? So I think that there's...

There's probably not a lot of people working today. Because today's Monday the 3rd. Tomorrow's the 4th. People just say, fuck Monday then. Yeah, that's fine. Get that extra day. Independence Day. Tomorrow's the day where people are going to do some stupid shit with some fireworks.

What are you doing tomorrow? Grilling. Fuck yeah. Oh, man, that's great. That's what you're doing later too. Can we still come over? Are we grilling tonight? We're grilling tonight. Tonight we're going to grill some axis deer. So excited. Fresh from Hawaii.

Oh my god. Damn. How did you get, you just ship it with you on the plane? Is there some sort of special... You just freeze it. Freeze it before you take it back. You know, put it in the cooler. Wow. Yeah. Do you have, you're permitted for a certain number of deer that you can... Not in Lanai.

In Lanai, they don't have any predators. So you could really, I only shot one of them. They're really hard to get with a bow and arrow. It's hard to get close to them. They're super, they evolved with tigers. Whoa. So these things are just... What?

Come on. They're so fast. This happened more than once I shot at one and it ran away from the arrow the arrow is going 200 and well I had to switch arrows because I had heavier arrows

they go 245 feet a second and in the mid hunt we had to switch to these other arrows that go 275 feet a second I had to gain an extra 30 feet a second because the deer would, even then, they still ducked it. They would look at the arrow coming their way and get the fuck out of the dodge. They're like, yeah, bitch. Are you kidding me?

Oh my god. I mean, you know how fast that is? That's so fast. Crazy. Because they literally evolved running away from tigers. Crazy, man. I don't think there's any chance that's going off anytime soon. There's no one around. We don't have to play. We got issues, folks. Or we could play with a sound drive. We don't have there's any chance that it's going off anytime soon. Yeah. There's no one around. We don't have to play.

We got issues, folks. Or we could play with a soundtrack. We don't have to play. It's up to you. We could. We could definitely just keep doing it. Does it bother you that this thing is going on in the background? It kind of faded into the background for me. No, it's cool.

I mean, I've had a few drinks at this point. I feel pretty warm. I have a couple of more. I feel really inspired. If you guys smell smoke, let me know. Do you want to play some jams? I sounded Russian. It was a little...

Some jams. Do you want to play some songs? I was at this place. Playtime for Putin. In New York, it had a tiger pelt. It's a famous tiger pelt. A real one? Real one.

Don't date in New York. It's called famous tiger pelt. A real one? Real one. Don't they in New York? It's called the Explorers Club. This place is crazy. Oh, wow. Is this like some S&M shit, Ben? What are you saying? Tell us. They're not exploring it.

Any place can be an S&M place. So it's like a safari type deal? Like one of those clubs? Maybe late 1800s, roosevelt started this place with a bunch of bros and they have all this taxidermy in this room and one of them is this pelt of a tiger a tigress that killed 48 people what like in india yeah this it kind of like it was a phenomenon it got a taste for blood and started hunting men or people. I don't know if it was just men.

But they had this thing on the wall, which was insane. You know, that's a real issue in India. In India, there's one part of this river that's very brackish, and the tigers drink this salt water. And because of the typhoons, a lot of times they wind up having a bunch of people wash up in the river, and the tigers wind up eating people. So they developed a penchant. Yeah, they have a taste for humans. To the point where there's one section of India,

over the past 200 years, tigers have killed over 300,000 people. What? Why the fuck are people still going there? It was a bit from one of my specials. It was a bit from Talking Monkeys in Space. Okay, Ben, you can yell. It's weird.

It really is true. Why are people going there? They live there. They're poor. After the first 100,000, you're like, we should leave. There's nothing really they could do about it. So it's not just, it's like they've evolved in that way? It's not just like one main, you know, predatory tiger that's all.

No, no, no. There's many, no no there's many many many many tigers over hundreds of years the tigers have gotten used to eating people like tigers are particularly ruthless it's that funny story when you're like i'm afraid of sharks and like sharks don't eat people they don't like the way we taste how the fuck do you know yeah exactly they just don't they don't they could be like actually i took a bite and that was fucking delicious. It's like if you expected you were going to get cottage cheese, but instead you got a cantaloupe, you'd kind of freak out.

You might really get into cantaloupes after a while. You'd be like, I fucking love divers. Divers are delicious. I like it. I eat them in the wetsuit, dude. I don't give a fuck. You know? Well, you know that's not a seal, right?

Yeah, it's a diver. It's like a oh my god you fuck my fucking worst nightmare yeah this one section of this river in india i did this whole bit about it in my uh 2009 comedy special because there was a real story about a boat of people there was five guys in this boat and three of them were killed by tigers. So the tiger swam out to the boat, jumped in, killed a guy, dragged him into the water, swam to the shore, dropped his body off, jumped back in the water, swam out

to the boat again, got the next guy, swam back to the shore. Oh, he was hoarding. He was a tiger hoarder. He was just on a killing spree. That's fucked up. God damn. Three guys. This is real, Joe? Why did he make friends with him in life of pies? I feel like everything you say is real, so I'm just going to stay on it.

I wouldn't lie to you about something so important. That's crazy. It's a danger. Just stop and think about what that must have been like in the last two guys. This is where I stay at home at my apartment in Silver Lake. Oh my God, the terror. Imagine this. That's what we need.

Tigers roaming the streets of Silver Lake. To let people understand. We have coyotes. We have c we need. Tigers roaming the streets of Silver Lake. To let people understand. We have cougars. Coyotes. Coyotes. Griffith Park, they do stay. You guys are close to Griffith Park. You got a pamphlet, Ben?

I should have brought the pamphlet in. Oh, that's such a relief. Yeah. That means that the crooks have found the bolts and cut the lines. They've got the booty. The pirates have got the booty. It feels weird now. We're so alone with our thoughts. I know what you're talking booty. The pirates have got the booty. It feels weird now. We're so alone with our thoughts.

I know. I know. What are you talking about? Oh, it's so awkward. There was a guy that I had on that was a wildlife biologist that was telling me about the cougar that lives in Griffith Park.

He just jacks deer. That's all he does. And the occasional dog. And they monitor this cat. So there's a single cougar. Yep. Big cat. This is a cat.

They have a photo of him with the hollywood sign that by the way we have coming we have a print of that coming um the um for the new studio this has a collar on but it's a wild cougar and they have to capture it every couple of years it's because it's its collar runs out of gps so the battery dies on the collar so they have to find this fucker and then they have to dart him. There he is right there. Whoa. Look at, see, he has his collar, and look in the background with the Hollywood sign. That's not planned. That was just a camera trap photograph.

A random photo. That's a big cat. Look at that collar. He must be fucking pissed. Look at his forearms. Dude, that's like Franco Colombo. I mean, that's insane. His forearms are fucking jacked. The Hollywood sign is actually 10 feet behind him.

What do you think he can lift? A lot. He looks like The Rock. He's built like The Rock. No, he's built like a power lifter almost. Like his front arm. Look at that dude. I want to look at this guy in the middle to the left with that fucking look on his face.

That guy. It's all the same one. That's the same kid. That's him. They took a picture of him. He's so stoned. Hey, what's up, bro? He got an edible.

Yeah, he eats a lot of edibles. You know what I think he eats? It's just stoners. I think if you eat stoners, you get high. Oh, my God. That's my worst nightmare. Jesus, man. They have to capture this cat every two years.

This cat's been captured like four times. He's pretty cute, too, though. I think he had mange there, right? Is that why they captured him? That he had some sort of a disease they had to work with him on? But it's so weird. What do they call him? Steven? I think his name is P-22.

Is that his name? That's what they call him? He was severely infected with mange. That blows. Sorry, dude. That sucks. It's an intense life. And it's a male? Uh-huh. And he's out there running free. That's what's really interesting. They just let him do what he does. He's not running free. He's running the show.

He's definitely running the show. He's like king shit. He's definitely king shit if you're a jog does. He's not running free. He's running the show. He's definitely running the show. He's like king shit. He's definitely king shit if you're a jogger. He's like Simba. You just don't want to catch him. If he has a limp and he can't take out deer anymore, that's when you're fucked. So you got to be packing heat then. These are the things that are-

When you're doing your running. When we were in Yellowstone and we were driving through! I did not want to get out of the car. Bears! No. Yellowstone is pretty fascinating. It's beautiful. I mean, we went and saw geysers and all the beautiful stuff, but a week later, there was some hiker that just got killed.

By a bear? Yeah, by a grizzly. And there was footage of it. Footage of it? There was a, not a sheriff, the Ranger Mobile vehicle went by. And the man, literally seconds after the Ranger drove by, this huge grizzly goes across the path. And there was a hiker who had his headphones on and just got, it was really terrible. Got murked.

Did you hear about that kid, 11-year-old kid that saved a fishing party yesterday? No. A charging grizzly bear at a fishing party and this 11-year-old kid gunned it down in Alaska. What? Gunned it down? It's not a grizzly technically. It's a brown bear, but they're really the same bear.

What a grizzly is is a coastal brown bear and what a coastal bear is called is a brown bear. That's the kid? 11-year-old kid charging grizzly with one well-placed shot. Where is he exactly? I can tell you if that's the right designation. It says young Harry Potter. That's what that hat says.

Where does it say it was? Hoonah, Alaska. Go to the map and find out where the fuck Hoonah, Alaska is. He's 11. Elliot, 11. Oh, my God. The dog is so happy. Hoonah, Alaska.

The kid lives in Hoonah, Alaska. That's amazing. It's like equally as sad as it is like... Way up yonder, huh? You don't want to see the people die from the bear, but then you feel bad for the bear. That's actually a brown bear. They're calling it a grizzly, but it's on the coast. Juno.

I think that's... I might be wrong. Ben, my Aunt Diana lived in Juno. Look how fucking big Alaska is. Go back. Look fucking big Alaska is. Go back. Look how big Alaska is. Dude, I've been there a bunch.

I've been there a few times for fishing. I did a show there once. What do you like to fish, Joe? Salmon. What? Can I come? Sure. I love to fish.

Let's do it. Yeah, so does Ben. Let's do a family vacation. I would love that. That would be the best thing ever. Let's do it. We're a lot of fun. We'll plan it tonight at our cookout. Okay, that sounds great. We're having a cookout. I would love that. That would be the best thing ever. Let's do it. We're a lot of fun. We're playing it tonight at our cookout. Okay, that sounds great.

We're having a cookout just an hour from now. But Alaska is, you know what's really crazy? The thing that I didn't anticipate, how fucking aggressive the mosquitoes are. Oh. Because they only live for like a week. Oh, geez. So when they're out there, I'm exaggerating with a week. Do you wear the stuff?

Yeah, you gotta wear the stuff. Yeah. Another move is thermosel. You know what a thermosel is? I'm exaggerating with a week. Do you wear the stuff? Yeah, you gotta wear the stuff. Yeah. Another move is a thermosel. You know what a thermosel is? I don't. It's like a, you press a button. It's an ingenious device that my friends, the Rivets up in Alberta told me about. You have friends called the Rivets?

The Rivets. John and Jen. John and Jen Rivet. That's amazing. They're hunting guides in Alberta. But you press this button and it lights this little tiny element inside of it. Like a sonic thing? And it heats up that blue pad.

Go back to that thing? That blue pad, you change those out. After a while, they become white. And that blue pad puts out this fine mist. No, it burns. It burns off a fine mist that you can't detect, but fucking mosquitoes don't want no part of it. Amazing. Yeah, and it makes your dick grow.

I just made that part up. That just made my dick grow. But what is that? Thermosel, are those heated? Is that heated or is that repellent? You put them under your tootsies. You put them under your tootsies and it makes mosquitoes go away.

Look at that. It goes in your shoe. This is a Thermosel foot pad that somehow or another keeps mosquitoes out. Maybe not. Maybe it was heat. Do they have any other colors except for olive? I don't know. Good question.

Is that bothering you, Ben Jackson? Are you fashion conscious when it comes to mosquito protection? It's just worth looking into. When we lived in Nashville, I would have to wear off for sensitive skin during the day because I would get bit up by mosquitoes all day. And people would always tell me that I smelled amazing. And I'd say, oh, it's off. She said, I just, I write all over my tits with magic markers.

I did. I didn't say that, but that sounds like a good pickup line. What smells better than a fresh magic marker when you pop the top? You don't even know why you like it, but you love that smell. I want it again. Right? I don't even know what to say anymore. Is it true?

Thermosel makes... No, I covered myself in off. Just make it dark red. Does it turn you on that I covered myself in off? Stop it. Thermosel makes lawn, like those little things that you stick in the ground, like a little lawn lantern, but they keep mosquitoes away. They do that too. This is not

a Thermosel commercial. Guys, we have it pretty easy in California with the mosquitoes. Oh my god, we got it easy with everything. Fucking everything except earthquakes. We got it easy. We don't have weather. I don't know. I killed a spider in my bedroom in the middle of the night last week and I broke my curtain on my window. Imagine if you were living in

Hoonah, Alaska, charging a grizzly bear. You caught him out the window right after you broke your curtain. I live here for a reason. But if you were screaming from the spider and you broke the curtain and you looked out the window as the bear was in full charge, it would put it all in perspective, wouldn't it? It sure would, Joe. You'd be like, God damn it. Really didn't have a big deal with that spider. It was a good life.

It was a pretty good life. Look at Elliot, the 11-year-old hunter. Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of evaluating. He's so, he's fucking owning that shit. Look at that dog. Yeah, bitches are on planes to go out and visit this kid. There's older women that tend towards pedophilia that are right now grooming him.

Oh, stop it. Yeah, they just want to wait a few years. That's what they do now. They don't want to go to jail. Come on. So the older girls, they just become your friend, and they mentor you for a few years when you hit 18 They just start sucking. That's what they Just telling you more Joe. That's what I hear because a lot of women are realizing

Wrongly so they get arrested for having sex with these young boys. I think it's just let it go, but once these women do Realize there's real consequences to it, what they do is just they befriend them. They become friends with these kids. It's just so dark. Long game. It's not dark. It's only dark if it's a girl.

Trust us, right? Ben, am I right? Sure. You're 14. The woman's hot. You have an issue? She's 25. She really likes you.

She teaches you art and crafts. She's a very skilled ceramicist. Yeah. She's really good at making ashtrays and sucking your day away she fosters you I get it I'm in and on that note

where do we go from here so many options home under the desk into a fetal position it's that Mary Kay Letourneau she's still with that boy So many options. Home, under the desk, into a fetal position. It's that Mary Kay Letourneau, that girl that, she's still with that boy. Yeah. And they had a fake divorce.

They had to get a divorce because he's going into the weed business. Really? Mm-hmm. Oh. They only got divorced so that she wouldn't be like legally, it wouldn't be like a legal issue with him selling weed. Huh. It was something with him and her. What? It was like protecting her her so they got a divorce, but they're still together and happy apparently Story like that coming out like every week right now about like a young teacher like this

Substitute teacher 24 accused of sex in two counties with her 17 year old student. Okay. It's only seven years difference folks, okay They gotta let that go. My parents have a huge age gap between them. Huge. Yeah? How many years? 80? You wanna get close? Wait, let's play the game. Let's play the game. How old is Ben's dad? 70. 78. Okay, but you're not playing by the rules

first of all. You get three tries. So that was two tries. And hold on, but you have to get the spiel. You get the spiel. Okay. Ben, Ben. Just let him go. He's already got two tries. Look, I start at one and work my way up. Okay. Ben, Ben. Just let him go. He's already got two tries. This is part of it.

Look, I've been playing this game my whole life. Okay. And it's always changing because he gets older. Three things. I can tell you three things. One, okay, I'm 31 years old. I'm about to turn 32. Next week.

Second thing is my dad is crazy fucking old. Crazy. And the third thing is one person in my entire life has ever guessed old enough. I mean, Ian, you can go crazy and you're 150. Okay. I already said 150. I know. So it's not 150. You get a free pass there, Rogan. He's not the oldest guy ever. Okay, I think your dad is 95 years old.

Okay, you're actually spot on. Really? Yeah. He's turning 96 in November. He got it on the third try. First two tries were 17 legit that disturbs me Mark Jaffe is 95 I hate when I just

take a shot in the dark but obviously you gave me a lot of parameters to work in that's true but still generally with those super crazy old

if it was your first guess people on the parameters never guess that never I love that Joe just guessed your dad's proper age and he'll be 96 in November

That's incredible Holy shit What are you? What the fuck is going on? Who me? That was just a lucky guess If I guessed and you didn't tell me he was crazy old Then it would be impressive See that's why I feel like you give people But you hear what I'm saying?

Nobody has ever done it Yeah yeah but that doesn't matter Who is the other person? Like, I got lucky. Listen, but if you, like, this is why, like, psychics are a problem. They start leading you. Mentalists. And then they give you a bunch of information.

You get a bunch of information first, then they take a guess. Like, if I told you that I was a psychic, and then we went through this whole thing, I sense your dad is, he's getting on's getting on but maybe not maybe he isn't i mean maybe he's doing well you're right your dad is yes my dad's really older he he's he's i feel like he's older am i on to something you'd be like yes yes yes i feel like i feel like it's a big issue i feel like he's older than you would admit it's it's definitely been a thing so i feel like he's i want to say he's 95. Oh my God. Oh my God. How did you know that?

That seems like I would be psychic. That's what psychics do, those fucks. Bitches. Like I had a friend of mine and he went to a psychic. He's like, dude, this guy knew all about my grandmother. I'm like, don't you know about your grandma? You know about your grandma, right? So this guy knew some shit that you already know.

Tell this guy to tell you some shit that you don't know. You want someone to tell you things you already know? That is fucking ridiculous. You're going to set her off. No, you already know. Tell this guy to tell you some shit that you don't know. You want someone to tell you things you already know? That is fucking ridiculous. You're gonna set her off. No, you're not. Not in a bad way. I've never experienced it first hand. I've never had a psychic or someone with that kind of

energy tell me something that I was like, wait, what the fuck did you just say? But there's people like you in my life who I trust who have had experiences that are unexplainable i have i've had psychics tell me uh family secrets that i've bent over backwards to try to understand how they could possibly know what they knew and i'm always skeptical but i've definitely had people that told me things that there's fucking no way they could know here Here's a question, though.

Did you give them any answers to other questions before that? No. None. So they just told you right away, your uncle's gay, and he has a boy that he lives with that he pretends is his son, but it's really his... Joe, what the fuck? I mean, like... Are you serious right now?

Without your interpretation, yes. Yeah. Without that, but something that ridiculous. Yes. Something that outrageous that they could only guess. And you didn't give them any answers to any leading questions before that? I thought I heard it on your podcast. Maybe not, but there's a documented history of the military experimenting.

Experimenting. But for years and years and years. So they're not going to spend that money if there's no actual question. No, that's not necessarily true. Because they wanted to find out if there was an answer. And the only way you find out is if you have to run some tests. And they had a thing called remote viewing. And we actually had some remote viewing experts on that TV show that I did for a while called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

We sat down with them. And I had all these were loved it these remote viewing guys boo at the end of days it seems a lot like psychics it's like there's no like they they claim to have seen some things and pointed out some things that helped some operations and this and that but it's all top secret whether or not it's true you're never gonna know you're never gonna know whether they're bullshitting you or something really did go down. But I've never seen anybody do it.

We had two guys try to do it. They were supposedly experts in it. They couldn't do shit. And I think there's a lot of people that aren't authentic. That's true. There's a lot of money in shenanigans. There's a lot of money in palm reading.. There's a lot of money in palm reading. The people that aren't going to charge you the money are probably the people that are actually doing something that is meaningful.

Maybe. Or it might be like a Stephen King book where you drive down the street and see that neon light and it says fortune teller. And you go in and it's some lady who sees through your soul and she does. And she really does know things. And it's just like this. She gets by with this magic gift. You just pay her 20 bucks a pop and she just tells you crazy shit

and you do what you do with that. But she knows. And no one ever believes she knows because it doesn't make any sense. This fucking lady on Ventura and Victory, like, how the fuck does she know? Tell us more, Jim.

How does she know? How does she know all this? She knows, man. But she does. Ventura doesn't intersect with Victory. Oh, my God. Oh, wow, there's the catch. So when you're in the police office, you're telling them,

no, I'm telling you, the place was there. It was real. She was a real person. I met her. The Wilsons have been living on Ventura and Victory for 37 years, and they've never moved. You get back to the house, and it's the house. It's like, where did where did the

where did the fortune teller shot go are you making fun of me but i know i want to believe you right because we're going to talk about this at the barbecue off mike buddy so you really believe you believe in psychics i've had too many things that i can't explain that i i'm always going to question but i i have has anybody ever told you something was going to happen and then it happened? I don't like that shit. And I don't subscribe to that. So you shut your mouth. I don't subscribe to that.

Joseph. Because I don't want someone to tell me my future. I think that's unfair and I think it's disrespectful. Disrespectful is a weird word to use. The experiences I've had with these people were with people that have died. I've had with these people were with people that have died that uh I I've communicated with whether through dreams or psychedelics and I had questions but I didn't ask them and I waited to see if they would tell me and it's just kind of that sort of setup here's the thing. It might be real and it might be that Real what real is is so ridiculous that it's almost like you can't bottle it You can't measure it

You can't put it on the scale and it only exists in these brief moments and it comes and it goes you'll never be able To prove it and it just comes and it goes and it makes you think like god I think I really believe they really thought really did happen and no one really knows and everybody just goes about their business but it really did he really did tap in he really did talk to someone who's not there anymore i i think whether you did or didn't um is is up to your acceptance of the experience and whether it's your ego or something you can't explain and if it brings you comfort that's great for sure if it brings you comfort, that's great. For sure. If it brings you comfort, right?

I mean, that's the same argument for religion. You know, when people say that religion is bullshit, you go, well, okay. But it's bullshit that makes people happy. If it makes people happy, then it's not bullshit. It's bullshit that makes people happy and also controls people and does really terrible things. So it's also... But does it have to? No.

Does it have to do all those things? really terrible things so it's also does it have to no have to do all those things but really i mean there's a lot of um it's it's very multi-faceted isn't it like sugar but sure sugar kills a lot of people but it also tastes delicious yeah i mean if you just imagine but it like gets people but you know what's funny like i found out recently that uh scientology uh religion is one of the main backers for Narcotics Anonymous. They are? Look it up. I believe that.

Tell me I'm wrong. Gauntlet Thrones. Well, they definitely don't like psychiatric medicine. And so that's a really interesting window into manipulation and trying to get people to subscribe to something. and here's the thing there's a lot of fucking shit out there and i i don't i don't know what's right i can just speak

to my own experiences and things that um i absolutely question with with so much thought and and continue to do so from things that have happened years ago and i just i i can't deny how i felt and what i've experienced and i want to keep living and understanding whatever it is uh if you know there's a reason why we're here or there isn't and we're just here but i i um i'm not religious i feel uh a really i feel interested interested in religion and some of the things I've experienced over the years being raised Catholic. And you're kind of talking about a religious experience. Sure, sure. I mean, when you say that word, you think that everyone's going to think a specific thing.

We've had this argument. But it doesn't need, did we? Because it's not really a religion to me. It's not like some organized. What do you mean? What's not a religion? The like spiritual, energetic exchange of information. Because I guess I equate religion.

And this is where we can all talk about this. Like I am so. I don't know if I'm right. I'm not like preaching. Well, no one does. And no one knows if you're wrong either. But religion to me is like the Catholicism I was raised on that requires guilt and wrongfulness and sin and money. Because you go to church and you put your money in the basket every Sunday. And I don't, I've seen enough and I know enough about pedophilia within the Catholic Church

that's undeniable. You can't fucking deny any of that. But you're talking about organization. Sure, I'm talking about organization. And that's how I equate religion. Whatever, it's just the same. Sure. But I think to different people.

What's my jam? To different people. It's not the exact same, that Narconanon. It's not? Okay. Narconics Anonymous is, so Narconon is what the Scientology people have. Okay. Narcotics Anonymous is, so Narconon is what the Scientology people have. Okay.

It's an organization that promises, promotes rather the theories of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Right. Regarding substance abuse. Okay. Not the same thing as Narcotics Anonymous. Thank you for clarifying. It's probably a similar group, so not the same. Okay, I appreciate that.

And his, you know, all of L. Ron Hubbard's stuff, a lot of it came from other psychology textures and lectures, rather, and texts and books and stuff. If you read the rudimentary levels of L. Ron Hubbard's teachings, they're, like, amazing. And then they start getting weirder and weirder. And you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. It's really interesting. And I think that's... Even he didn't believe in psychics. I know.

What are you saying? I don didn't believe in psychics. I know. What are you saying? I don't really believe in psychics either. I just believe in my experiences. I think that there's a difference. I think there's a lot of... I think you should question everything and then try to understand yourself the best that you can. I think unique moments can be unique.

I think there's things that happen when you think about someone and the phone rings and they can tell you all day long, that's a coincidence, man. How often do you think about them and the phone doesn't ring? You might be right. But there are some pretty unique moments

that I'm not exactly convinced are measurable. I don't know if they're measurable. I think those unique moments when you think about someone and they text you, I don't necessarily think that there's been adequate studies done on that. I think there's a lot of people that have these contrarian ideologies that they really

love to dismiss things like this and they really love to dismiss the potential connections that people have between each other. But we know we have connections when we're near each other. We know some people can just look at you and you look at them and you're like let's get the fuck out of here like we have like people have weird connections with other you also know when someone's upset at you and they're not being honest about it you know like there's weird we have weird sort of ways of

feeling each other out that don't necessarily fit on a scale they're not quantifiable but they're they're there. You can't measure them, but you feel them. That's funny. I'm reading this article about it that kind of ties in music to that, just talking about, you know, so you're talking about our ability to read each other's facial expressions, emotional expressions, and that's a successful trait.

You know, that's something that's part of the development of this stuff and that basically this I'm just getting into it but this article is just talking about how those it's just a lot of scientists trying to understand or people like why the fuck is music important like this does you know why is this such an obsession a human obsession well music is a drug to that I mean it certainly is like even like the other day I was watching rocky for rocky for came on just out of nowhere i was flipping to and songs that i don't even think are good anymore you know but i recognize the drug-like effect that like you know one of those rocky songs those survivor rocky songs but it's a

combination of the movie and the music yes it's not just the music. There's a visual. But sometimes not. Like, sometimes just the music. You know, like, when I run. Yeah. When I run and if I listen to music, I can go longer. Oh, for sure. Yeah. What's that? What the fuck's going on there?

How come you're not as tired when you're listening to. Because you're having an emotional response. And you're inspired. You're inspired, though. You're inspired by something that was taught to you at a different time. The rhythm of the music was ingrained in you at some point. I can listen to Motley Crue kickstart my heart and I can get up any fucking hill. I would imagine if you took an indigenous tribe and played rock music, they'd be like, what the fuck? Because they had no idea what it was.

rock music, they'd be like, what the fuck? Because they had no idea what it was. But maybe they wouldn't because there's rhythm and there's a lot of musical tribal contributions to that area of your life. I don't know. Rhythm is a dancer.

Exactly. Thanks for backing me up we're not off the rails right we're good we're so good I'm not stoned this is consistent with what we usually do

if that's what you're saying I feel like this is our best one yet maybe we've said that before I don't know I think we say that every time we haven't done one

in a while no it's been over two years no almost two years oh well shit shit damn you guys are still the only band I've ever worked with come on never worked with a band before No, it's been over two years. No, almost two years. Oh, well, shit. Shit, damn. You guys are still the only band I've ever worked with.

Come on. Never worked with a band before. Never did shows. Never did shows. We did a couple shows. Those were fun. Such a blast. They were so much fun.

Oh, my God. We had a New Year's together. Dude, it was so much fun. Two? People were trying to count down, and you weren't done with your bit. And you were like, fuck you, I'm not done. And then you said, okay, now we can celebrate the new year. It was amazing. It was so great.

Well, it was in the middle of a bit. People were like, well, it's time. It's time. I missed it by 10 seconds, folks. Hang in there. Just hang in there. It was great. Well, we did the end of the world show.

That was really fun December 21st 2012 Was the big one That was the first one we did We did the end of the world one With Stanhope and Joey Was it New Year's though? It wasn't New Year's

No it was December 21st It was the end of the Mayan calendar Yeah that's right Yeah we planned that one out Years in advance Yeah Yeah we knew

We were going to do Stanhope and I Talked about doing that Like Because he got tired of me Talking about the Mayan calendar Because he was like in advance. Yeah. Yeah, we knew we were going to do, Stan Hope and I talked about doing that like, because he got tired of me talking about the Mayan calendar. Because he was like,

let's fucking promise we're going to do a show December 21st. I'm like, let's do it. Let's get Diaz on board and, you know, I met you guys. I'm like, let's have music.

Let's have a fucking crazy end of the world December 21st. And then life went on for five more years. Like, everything was fine. Hey, thanks for bringing us on. That was a lot of fun. It was fun for us more years. Everything was fine. Hey, thanks for bringing us on. That was a lot of fun.

It was fun for us, too. It was fun. How did you get the Alex Jones one to be 9-11? I had to plan it out. I had to fit some podcasts in. I had to do extra ones the week before just so I could get to number 9-11 with Alex. Yeah, that sounds like a long... Well, I could have had him on earlier, and I would have definitely had him on again

for 9-11, but having him on the first time for 9-11. And to this day, that's our biggest podcast by far. Really? That's crazy. By maybe 5 million downloads. Holy fuck. Yeah, but here's the conspiracy, right? Am I saying correctly? What is the actual number?

It was like probably at 16 now. I didn't check in the last two or three days. Okay. So 16 million. Here's what's crazy. It never charted on iTunes. The iTunes charts magically went down while the Alex Jones podcast was in the queue and they stayed down for over a week. Conspiracy theory.

And then when it came back up, podcasts that got way less downloads than Alex's were rated much higher than his. And they had happened before and after his. Oh, I do remember this. His was the only podcast that was left out of the ratings loop. Like, for sure, it would have been the number one podcast in the country. It was the number one podcast we did by a mile. And I've had the number one podcast before.

It's like the number one podcast we did by a mile, and I've had the number one podcast before It's like the number one podcast episode that was more than five million downloads more than any other podcast I had before crazy so it's for sure probably would have been number one if it was a lot of Downloads unless they had like one of those serial episodes or something that came out that week. Oh s town Mm-hmm So there you go and that's it's it's very likely that someone's trying to hold out Jones back And that just stokes his fucking fire. They don't understand. It's the Streisand effect.

Can't stoke the fire of Alex Jones. Even Megyn Kelly's fucked now. Her show's going down the toilet. What happened in the aftermath? Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Megyn Kelly was a Fox News person. She left Fox News to go to NBC.

NBC is thought of as CNBC, which is thought of as fake news by these right-wing Trumpans. What would you call them? Trumpers. Trumpers. So as soon as she goes over there, they're not going to listen to her. And then to the liberals, she's Fox News. So they're not interested in her either. And then she does this podcast with Alex

Jones, or this interview rather with Alex Jones. And in the interview with Alex Jones, she says I'm not going to paint you out as a monster. I'm going to give you a fair... She's saying all these things like she's going to throw softballs this way. I want people to get to know you. And he releases all that. He's like, hey, this is that person. And the ratings just

keep plummeting. Plummeting. If you want to be an ice princess, you've got to be on Fox News. Full ice. If you want to sell guns, you want to be a Second Amendment proponent with fucking cold blue steel eyes and smooth, shiny legs and nice shoes and tiny skirts, you've got to be on Fox News. How do you get smooth, shiny legs? Stay in your lane.

Shave them. You've got gotta shave them down constantly all day long fuck you can't just wear pants probably oil them up too yeah you have illegal immigrants

just waiting how do you do it Ben it's just kind of a natural thing for me oh really you're hairless and the legs and the legs

somebody's gotta be like that right there's gotta be somebody out there with no leg hair I'm sure it happens it's called purity purity is that what it's called sure is Ben it's called Purity Purity

Is that what it's called? Sure is Ben It's funny you brought it up One day we're all Going to have no hair And they're going to look Back at pictures of us And they're going to go

What the fuck were they doing? What is that bald human race? Facial hair and shit Tattoos Everyone looks the same No eyebrows Eyelashes I really think

That's the future I think the future Is those aliens From Close Encounters I think the reason Why we have those archetypal images in our head is because we know that's where we're going. Have you ever talked to Paul Hellyer or looked at his stuff?

Who's that? He's like the Canadian alien dude. They're all the same. But he was part of the government. Oh, was he? Oh, the government. Well, then for sure he's telling the truth. He specifically talks about the different types of aliens. Oh, well that makes him, then for sure he's telling the truth. He specifically talks about the different types of aliens.

Oh, well, that makes him even more legit. Come on, Joe. For sure, with no evidence, he definitely would tell us all about these all different kinds of aliens. Yeah, you should look into it.

You might want to have him on. I have, unfortunately. Have you? So you know who I'm talking about? I don't know him, but I know the whole alien movement. Is it because you're an alien? No.

And you don't want people to know? I think there's a business in telling people that you know about the you don't want people to know? I think there's a business in telling people that you know about the aliens. We accept you for who you are. The problem is there's a business in telling people

that you know about the aliens. Ex-defense minister. Aliens would give us more tech if we'd stop wars. All right, let's play this. I want to hear this. What's that? Oh, it's not?

But it's on RT. But why is he the one dude? He was on RT. Why didn't you talk to him? He's a special dude. Why don't I talk to other people? But it says on RT, proof of the alien the one dude? He was on RT. Why didn't you talk to him? He's a special dude. Why don't I talk to other people? But it says on RT, proof of alien's presence overwhelming. He's the one. He's like the chosen one.

No, that's just a picture of it. That's just a screenshot. Oh, I see. What, the Nintendo part? But he was on, right? Yeah. So there's got to be a video of it, no? There's many videos of Paul Hellyer.

I've watched them. Do you buy it when you listen to him talk? That makes me question. I'd like to hear his voice to see if my crazy radar goes off. Just give me a little piece. Tell us, Wiseman, what you feel. You got two different shit playing. Jamie's a tabber.

Because I know that they are. As a matter of fact, they've been visiting our planet for thousands of years. And one of the cases that would interest you most, if you'll give me two or three minutes to answer, is during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying south from Russia to across Europe. And the Supreme Allied Commander was very concerned and about ready to press the panic button when they turned around and went back over the North Pole so they decided to do an investigation what if it's and

they investigated for three years and they decided that with absolute certainty that four species four different species at least, had been visiting this planet for thousands of years. So we have a long history of UFOs, and of course there's been a lot more activity in the last few decades since we invented the atomic bomb, since we invented the atomic bomb, and they're very concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again. And because the whole cosmos is a unity

and it affects not just us but other people in the cosmos, they're very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for them as well. So no serious scientist has ever publicly confirmed evidence of an encounter with extraterrestrials. Why would scientists not confirm the facts if they exist? I'm afraid they must go out of their way not to find out because if they did, you know, even 10% of the amount of research

I've done in the last eight years, they would be as convinced as I am. I mean, they could do it even faster. It might take them a little longer when they didn't have a military background, but there are so many wonderful books that tell these stories, and they've been authenticated. The sightings have been authenticated by more than one witness and also by radar okay this is the same horseshit they've been authenticated

by witnesses this that doesn't mean anything there's no real video there's no real photographs nothing looks good a lot of people were talking about it but when you think about how many human beings there are there's 320 million plus in America. How many of them are crazy? At least 1%. That's 3,200,000 crazy people. How many of them really believe what they're saying? At least half. So you got a hundred, you got a lot of fucking crazy people.

Well, this is one video. So I've watched a couple of his and it's just, it's interesting to think about in terms of like, we're here. It's all interesting to think about, but as soon as someone starts talking like that, he says they've been authenticated, there was more than one witness, that means nothing. Sure. People are full of shit. You just, I saw something. It doesn't mean anything.

You might have, you might not have. But if he's 100% all in and he hasn't had a UFO experience himself that he's talking about, then he seems gullible. Totally fair. I talked to a lot of those people. I've talked to those people that had been, I've talked to people that had implants pulled out of their body. I've talked to

people that were experts. I have seen, oh, oh, it's gone. What does it say? You've seen one? He said he's seen one. Joe. Well, it's something that gives me a lot of thought. He might have. I don't know. I haven't seen one, but I'm curious to know. He might have. But what he just said there did not impress me. Because he said that multiple people had seen it.

Like more than one person had confirmed it. That doesn't mean anything. Like you could have five guys that lie. That doesn't mean anything. Joe, have you seen a UFO? They might tell the truth. I don't think so. Italians call them UFOs.

My people. Do they? Yeah, UFOs. Yeah. I've never heard that. That's a joke. Oh, wow. Two in a row.

How'd I do? Harry Potter was a fail, but I came back around. It was an UFO. Are we still friends? Yes, 100%. It's not to dismiss the possibility of UFOs. It's just that you've got to really be careful with how people talk about stuff. Sure.

You've got to be, you know, if someone starts talking that they know something and they... Well, that's one video. I've watched a few of his videos and they were really interesting. He was speaking before Canadian Congress talking about this. And I've watched a lot of it in its entirety. It's just worth thinking about. That's all. I don't know what the truth is. It's just worth thinking about. That's all. I don't know what the truth is.

Let me play devil's advocate. Sure, please. Yeah, always. Just the fact that he has a lot of videos out there makes me wonder. Because that means that he's making a living doing this. Or this is a gig. This is a thing he does. Not when you're speaking before the Canadian Congress.

Of course. If he does a bunch of these other interviews as well, that allows him to speak in front. That's his thing. His thing is I'm the guy who knows everything about UFOs. But if you were talking to scientists, they would say, show us your evidence. There's nothing. That's the thing about these

guys. They all have stories and no one has any evidence. I mean, I don't have the evidence. But it feels good to think that they're out there, right? Fuck yeah! I want to know. I want to know stuff. I mean, look at't have the evidence. But it feels good to think that they're out there, right? Fuck yeah. I want to know. I want to know stuff. I mean, like, look at all the shit that we have and we're here and all the things that we, all the resources that we use. And we're one planet in a universe full of other planets.

That's all. There it is. Way up there. I'm not afraid to say that I'm i'm curious i think everybody is and i think people generally it feels like a normal thing to be like yeah they're fucking out there but what i think is hard to accept i don't have hard evidence what's hard to accept is that they're communicating with us and only certain people like paul hellyer know well maybe he does know and maybe he has seen something but maybe he's full of shit the problem is haven't seen it, and I haven't, or at least I don't think I have,

and you're talking about these things, how much time you spend thinking and talking about them, it gets to become almost like a pathology. Why are you so invested in something that you don't even know is real? But it becomes a thing that people are into. They're into baseball scores, or they're into bowling. They get into UFOs. They get into it. And then they start,

I mean, this dude's obviously making a career out of it. He's out there traveling. I don't know that. I mean, that's something to investigate upon this conversation. But it makes, it's made me think for years.

Like I've seen some Paul Hellyer videos and I'm just like, wow, okay. And it makes me think, that's all. Maybe. And I will always be curious about aliens and psychics and all the shit. It's so controversial. I'm not superlative in that way where it's like yes or no.

I just don't know. I don't know either. But I want to know. I'd love to keep learning. I would too. But I think that with guys like this, when you're talking about a subject that's this mercurial, this is such a difficult subject. I think it's very important to only talk about the actual facts.

Sure. Like what we know or what we don't know. If he wants to talk About his own personal experience. That's one thing, but when you start talking about stories that you heard like okay People are full of shit from the beginning of time when telling stupid stories about werewolves and fucking vampires I saw a lot of damage is done to it's like it's all Derivative passed down like oh i heard this from this and this and this but you weren't there so you don't know you know it's like i'm reading this book about our brains and how our recollection of a memory of memories and like eyewitnesses are usually inaccurate inaccurate because you're you don't really remember like you think you did and your brain lies to you and tells you that you saw something a certain way right and and even that

like i don't know it's that's very important for people to know absolutely absolutely a lot of people out there that think their memories are super accurate and this ties into being wrong this ties into being like i didn't see it the the way that i think i did and i might have made a mistake and i'm sorry you know know, like that's okay. That's important too, because I think a lot of times when you have some big statement about something that you believe in or, or, or like if you want to get down to having some sort of a trial of this or that, and you say, I remember it just like this. Right. It's.

And then you get dramatic and emotional and try to sell it. It's. You're selling it like you're running for congress it's it's forty thousand dollars a day frightening really is it is people that are trying to convince people i mean that's one of the reasons why being a president so crazy because you're basically like trying to trick people into liking you you're trying to be charismatic and that's what I made a mistake do they ever say I'm sorry I messed up I'm sure so you must have publicly I don't know I think there's there's moments I think it's like probably nice be really interesting it's gonna happen to have it's gonna have to happen someday so sing it Joe I

don't know which one that is. You can't sing it, unfortunately. I bet you can't. I think you sound great. I can't. I can't. You sound great. No, you guys sound great. What?

Come on. Why don't you guys sing us a song? Do you want to do that? When I rev this up? We've been doing for three hours and 20 minutes. We should sing a song. Yep. And then we should go make some food. We started a little late. Yeah, but it's

520. Yeah, we're at 245. Oh, really? Oh. Why did I think we started at 2 o'clock? We didn't? Oh, we did another podcast afterward. I mean, we did another pool game. We did two. We like broke it in half. Ben, what do you want to play?

Whatever. So we have solo records coming out. Oh, shit. Do you guys practice together with your solo shit? We did. We did because we support each other. We sure did. And do.

My record comes out August 11th. That's my birthday. Is it really? Yes. Shut up. Yes. What, Joe? This is like an omen.

Yes. You want to come to my release on August 10th in LA? Yes. Shut up! Yes. What, Joe? This is like an omen. Yes. You want to come to my release on August 10th in LA? Yes. You are welcome. All right. Awesome. Shit. I don't have a release date.

I got to get my shit together. Get your shit together, Ben. Ben made a beautiful record. Ben made a fucking awesome record. Ben's smoking too much weed, Ben. Ben's smoking too much weed. Not scheduling shit. Blowing off meetings.

Listen, man. It's hard. I just need my music, man. Let's play your song first. Oh, geez, you want to do that? Yeah, let's do it. A lot of pressure. Getting deep here. I couldn't. I'm not ready.

I couldn't possibly. Oh, you're not going to play on it? No, I'm going to sing. Okay, here we go. Okay. You can do the instrumental part. Oh, you're not going to play on it? No, I'm going to sing. Okay, here we go. Okay. All right. Okay. You can do the instrumental part.

Okay. What's this called? It's called Everlasting Peace. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Yeah. Sat Nam. Yeah, yeah.

Here we go. Some days I wake up in a sweat, body's wet from the tension, baby. In the sweat, body's wet from the tension, baby. With all these cheap thrills from tangible achievements weighing heavy on my mind. But time has shown me you're the only one who can bring me everlasting peace Time has shown me you're the only one who can bring me everlasting peace It's like a path I walk walk Lift me up like daytime talk

Like a Reno rock And I'll sing it to you Soft and sweet and straight from the heart So there's no questions there Time has shown me You're the only one who can bring me Everlasting peace Time has shown me You're the only one who can bring me everlasting peace time has shown me you're the only one who can bring me everlasting

peace there'll be a violin solo but we don't have the violin right now we'll skip that part i say it till i don't know the violin right now. We'll skip that part. I say it till I don't mean it. Don't want to compromise. Don't want to lose myself in some disguise. But I know.

Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I know, I know, I know The time has shown me you're the only one who can bring me everlasting peace The time has shown me you're the only one who can bring me everlasting peace. Everlasting peace. Everlasting peace. Dude. You guys have

such a good sound together. It's two people that have been working together for a long time. You guys know each other's sounds. I might been working together for a long time. It's a long time. You guys know each other's sounds. I might have messed that up a little bit for Ben. I'm sorry.

It doesn't make a difference. How'd you mess it up? Oh, you know, it's new stuff. It's like, I'm just going to shut my mouth. Shut that mouth and open it up with singing. Okay. What are you going to do now? This is my single off my new record that comes out on your birthday.

August 11th. It's called Ghost in My Bed. There's a music video out for it now if anyone wants to see it. Where does someone get that? On YouTube. Is that okay? It's on YouTube. YouTube. And coincidentally, it is KCRW's tune of the day today.

I don't even know how that's possible. It's a little loud. Okay, I'm going to tune it up like a real professional. You tune it up with your phone? Oh, yeah. Really? Yes, Joseph. They have these things that tune the instruments.

What is it on your phone? Like, I'm totally ignorant to this. What is this? Do you see it? It's like a... It's a microphone. Yeah, tracking the frequency. Right.

What is it called? It's just an app. It's a guitar tuner. There's hundreds of them. Oh, wow. There's a bunch of them, huh? Here, what are you singing right now? Wow, and it works off of the microphone of your phone the same way one would work in a studio?

Is this okay, like, sonically? Yeah, it's pretty good. It could be in a better situation. It's pretty good, though. Should I give it another angle? No, that's fine. That's fine. All right. Okay. You want to do this? I don't remember.

Wait, should I get my pick or should I go fingers? You get your pick. Get your pick like a real. Do you always have a pick with you? Are you sure? Do you always have a pick with you constantly? No, because I'm playing all fingers these days. Are you sure? What's that?

There might be one. Oh, there are. Fuck. Jesus. Ben, get it. Are you sure? I'm just scared of picks, bro. I'm done gonna pick my bed screwing with my, stomping around my room, drinking all my booze.

He makes me toss and says, hold on, child The road we're on is winding wild And we got busted wheels Dead and in I will haunt you till you're lying still Yeah, he always gets me good and wasted I knew it from the start The first time I tasted the darkness

When he kissed my mouth I'm his heart, and he's my way out, out. He pulls me in my face on his chest He ain't wearing his shirt I ain't wearing my dress He spills tequila into my mouth Then we hit the town Tear that motherfucker down Cause he always gets me good

And the way he did, I loved it from the start The first time I tasted the darkness When he kissed my mouth Oh, yeah, son Yeah, he's my way out Out Yeah, he always gets me good and wasted I loved it from the start. The first time I tasted darkness when he kissed my mouth.

All I need is a hug, yeah, he's my way out. My way out Oh Oh KCRW Song of the Day Suzanne Santo goes to my bed Oh, thanks for letting us play, Jeff Yeah, thanks for having us

My pleasure Jam Here's the shit I took my headphones off I hope I didn't ruin the whole thing No, it was awesome It was beautiful Sorry

Perfect Don't say a word Everyone's fine That was fun I hope I didn't ruin the whole thing. No, it was awesome. It was beautiful. Sorry. Perfect. Don't say a word. Everyone's fine. That was fun. Should we do more or should we go eat? It's up to you, dude. It's up to you guys.

What do you want to do? Want to do one more song? Well, here's the thing. We're going to be on a TV show. Did we tell you about that? On August 3rd, we're on a show on TBS called The Guest Book. And we wrote a bunch of music for it. And we are on every

episode of this half-hour comedy. What? Every episode? Yeah, I play the mail lady who delivers the mail, and Ben plays the exterminator. Wait a minute. You guys, you put music and you're acting on the show too? We got paid as actors. What is this show? What is it about? You know, you put music and you're acting on the show too? We got paid as actors. What is this show?

What is it about? You know, so there was a show called My Name is Earl. You know that show? Yes, love it. Okay, so the guy Greg Garcia created Greg. Joe, by the way, Greg Garcia loves you and you should have him on the show. He's amazing. I would definitely have him on.

I love that guy. He's so wonderful. We talked about doing something. I had a meeting with him a long time ago. You should have him on the show. I can help fucking make that connection. So can Ben Joffrey. I would love to.

I like that guy. Yeah, he's a great dude. So what happened? So they needed a band. I guess they were looking at kind of like a spur of the moment thing. Greg was like, okay, I'm thinking there's going to be a band that closes out every episode. Kind of transitions between the episodes. And a friend of ours.

Oh, shit. That's the show. Oh, my God. Michael Rappaport, Jamie Presley. This is crazy. Damn. Now I want to watch this show. There's a trailer now, Ben.

Oh, love him so much. Did you guys work with Jamie? Yeah, one scene. We got to do a scene at AA with her. She's so nice. It was really fun. She's awesome. I did a terrible movie with her way back in the day.

It never went anywhere. What was it called? I don't remember, but she was super nice. Oh, Danny Pudi. Ugh. He's bad. Whoa. What the fuck is this?

The guest book premieres August 3rd, and it's on TBS? Go watch it, folks. Look, he's got all the things I want. Weirdos in a log cabin. Boom. We're going to play a song that didn't make it on the show, but we don't have to. Hey, what the fuck happened to that song Punk Kid? Like, where is that at? What's the status of that song? That's not like Honey Honey's

fourth record when we're ready to make it. That is a great song and that song like the riff from that song was on my Denver comedy special, Rocky Mountain High. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. But I love that song.

That song was fucking great. Like, what happened? Well, on our last record. It was a snafu, correct? There was some kind of quasi snafu. I think this is label politics a little bit. Like, it was a little more rock and roll, and it wasn't as Americana. It was our choice to keep it off, eventually.

Oh, that's right, because they didn't want to. But this was a song that we, this was a couple years ago. We came out here to work with a great dude named Keefus Ciancia. And we just did a set, and there was that and a couple other songs that we did that were ours. We owned this music. It was one of the things where we owned it it and they didn't want to pay for it they didn't want to so we were like if we put it on a record they would have owned it and not have like so we were like fuck we put all this effort into this song we love this song but it was just

that that thing where like we had to fight for it and it's a great song and it's not going anywhere it'll it'll come it'll come out eventually hopefully it's dirty great song, and it's not going anywhere. It'll come out eventually. That business is dirty. People don't know about that song, though. You do. That song bought our Elon Musk song. Do you guys play it somewhere? We played it here. Oh, that's right.

They played it here. Man, look at you and your pink shirt. Damn, that's back in the dizzay. I know. Lost those glasses. It never made it on anything else other than that YouTube video? Is it on anything else where people can listen to it? Well, we put it out. Lost those glasses. It never made it on anything else other than that YouTube video? Is it on anything else where people can listen to it? Well, we put it out.

People downloaded it. We used it to raise money for this vehicle. So we could buy a car. But we never put it down. It's not on Spotify. So only you guys own it. Yeah. So if we played it, it wouldn't trip any alarms or anything, right?

No, you can play it anytime you want. Let's play that shit right now. Go cook. can you find it I can play the version they played for sure let me see if I can find it see if the not the version

they played here let's see if there's another version of it that you can find like the pure studio version because it's so good that was a cool one what's the

I love that song that was like one of my favorite songs when your new album came out I was like where's the song where's punk kid it was a big debate it was a real thing

those motherfuckers well that's okay you just gotta keep forging ahead and figuring out how to maintain your integrity and also what you've worked for I can't imagine how you guys do it we just didn't want to give it up

we didn't want someone else to be like yeah we own this well i'm glad you didn't but i can't imagine how you guys do it because if that was me and i like i found out that my jokes like a bit that i did that i worked really long and hard on all of a sudden if i wanted to put it on a special someone else is going to own it without even paying me for it i'd be like well fuck you man that's crazy this is why i'm making my own furniture for my apartment. Do you find it anywhere, Jamie? That's okay. I'm happy. I have it downloaded, but it's not on this phone or this computer.

It's on another computer. Hold on, y'all. What is it? Is it on Spotify? Is that what you guys said? No. They don't have it anywhere. That's why it was only there.

Ben, I think I've got it in my iTunes. You want me to put it in? Confusion. Oh, here it is. I got it right here. What can we do? How do I send it to you, Jamie? You can plug it in there.

You got an aux? No no it's one of those Stupid ass goddamn fucking iPhones Android phones have an ox Okay, okay, okay, but I've seriously considered Android Android several times. There's a new one. This new Google Pixel 2 is coming out. And then also the new Galaxy S8. It doesn't set on fire?

No. Okay, that's good. The Note 8 is the one. The Note 7 was the one that went on fire. The Galaxy 7 never went on fire. It's funny. It's all over the airports, too. It's like, oh, just so you know.

Yeah. So the Galaxy S8 is dope. I've thought about that one. And then the Galaxy Note 8, which is coming out soon, is pretty killer, too. They're just as good as iPhones now. It's just getting off the Apple tit is the issue. Apple tit. The Apple tit that connects you to iPods.

It's difficult. It's difficult. iTunes. It all makes your life more convenient. But I'm on the Google tit, too you to iPods or iTunes. It's all, uh, it makes your life more convenient, but I'm on the Google tit too. I love Google.

It's good. I use it all the time. It's a juicy, like at least a D cup. There's so much information. Yeah. I mean, what,

I mean, if I had to choose between a company that I rely on more, if I could just use a Google phone, but I could still use Google, right? Well, you got to go with Google, right? That's, that's giant. I use that way more than I use Google. Right. Well, you got to go with Google, right?

That's giant. I use that way more than I use anything. It's like Googling things. I mean, who doesn't? You need to know shit. I need to know shit. Like, what is my shoe size in European size? Very big is the answer.

Very big. If you wanted to order some shoes from overseas. Do you have pancakes as feet as well? I do. Yeah, Sasquatch feet. Really? Big ass wide feet. well? I do. Yeah, I have Sasquatch feet. Really? Big ass wide feet. Well, I could probably

out foot you, right? Because my feet are slender. Damn. Yeah, I've been on this trail running kick. Oh, yeah. And I run with those feet shoes, those five finger shoes.

Those are fun. People, I've never seen a foot product generate so much hate. Really? You can't handle it. People wear those Vibram five-finger shoes.

But why? They don't like the way it looks. Well, how do you feel about it? I don't give a fuck. I wear a fanny pack. So does Pauly Shore. I saw Pauly Shore at the grocery store the other day. Don't let me in with him and make me get rid of my...

I'm just kidding. He had a fanny pack. Sorry. A lot of people are wearing them now. And he gave me the stink eye a little bit. I'm sorry. Because he knew you were a genius. He didn't know that you knew. How do I feel when I wear them? Is that what you're saying?

They're great. How does your body feel? It's hard because I'm running Rocky Hills and I'm running a lot of miles. So like three miles on these very steep... Rocky Hills sounds like a great porn star name. It does. A girl with ridiculous tits. Jesus, what the fuck is going on there?

A little double penetration on Rocky Hills. Giant hands poking out of her shirt. Jesus. Third nipple. That's Rocky Hills. But it's tricky. Like, today I ran them in, like, Under Armour trail shoes, which I've got to be honest, I kind of like better.

Do you love Under Armour? Because you can just run full on. I do. They have a lot of great shit. I'm wearing their sneakers. They're one of the most eco-athletic lines. Really? Yeah.

Well, they're also one of the very few big companies that support hunting. They have a whole hunting line. That means that's a bold choice. Under Armour, if you want to endorse Honey Honey, we are willing and ready. Big fan. Big fan. Under Armour. The gauntlet's been thrown down. Yeah, for rock and roll.

Are you ready to expand? Stage wear. Holy shit. Stage wear. I've always wanted to have track suits for the whole band, like when we're loading in, because we have to do a lot of work. But let me be honest. If you get a track suit, don't you have to get Adidas? You mean like Royal Tenenbaum sign? That's fine.

You definitely have to be going a little hip-hop with it. A little bit. I'm slurring my words. Some velour. I can't even speak properly. You're fine. You're fine. I bet you play pool real good right now though, right? Let's fucking do this.

Let's throw down. We played pool earlier and I did not play my best. But you know what was bizarre? It's because I want to beat Joe so badly. Maybe you weren't giving us the full juice. We came down to it two games. Yeah, we were right down ball to ball. But you played so much better than us.

Oh, here we go. That's because he wears a glove. Oh my god, this is Punk Kid. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. Honey Honey, Suzanne Santo. New album, August 11. Brushing your cut, tearing shit up. I'll bet you were a punk. This sounds like shit What's that?

Hold on, kill it That's okay The audio quality is terrible. It got compressed when I texted it to myself. Oh, yeah. That sounds like that shit was coming out of a toilet bowl. Well, just so you know, it could sound better than that. It sounds way better than that.

I had to stop it. I was like, there's no way I could have that represent that song. There's no way to get it through a computer. You have to text it to yourself? I'm trying to get it, and my phone's not's not connecting the computer right now i don't know why or i can't like he's he texted it to me it's got to be complicated if jamie can't get it this is impressive impressively complicated that was a nice like fade out i was trying to email it to myself and that wouldn't would have been perfect song wasn't attaching in the email

i don't know lots of different things so there's no other way to get it? I... Don't you guys have a way that you can tell people that they can get it? Sure. Like if someone says, hey Ben, I heard your Punk Kid song is really awesome.

Where can I go about hearing that? I'll let them know. Yeah, Ben, where is it? Where is it, Ben? Let them know right now. We can put it on SoundCloud. We can do that right now. You know what we didn't do

before we got on the podcast was like organize our social media because our Honey Honey website looks like our record's just coming out, and it came out three years ago. But we're working on that. This is part of the DIY conundrum. Well, it's also part of the promoting artist conundrum. Because the thing that makes you a really good artist also makes you shit at promoting. It's hard.

Yeah. It's a lot. But that's what's cool about getting teams around you. Right, but then they get obsessed with you and they get weird. No, good PR? No.

It's fucking great. No, honestly, it's you having us on your thing, dude. Thank you so much. My pleasure. I get this. Game changer.

You guys can figure out how to get one of your favorite fucking songs online so I can play it. That'd be a shit. Damn it. I feel like it's time to get one of your favorite fucking songs online so I can play it. That'd be the shit. Damn it. I feel like it's time to go barbecue now. We're definitely gonna go barbecue.

We're just gonna play this song, then we're gonna barbecue. Oh, hell yeah. What else to say? Vegas this weekend, Friday night. I'll be at the Ka Theater at the MGM with Tony Hinchcliffe. It's where they do the Cirque du Soleil. How fun. Are you gonna get up in there with your leotard on?

They put me in a diaper and they connect wires to the diaper and they fly me through the I feel like people would pay a lot of money to see that. No, they have this crazy setup back there. We don't use it. We just use the flat stage. But the setup's insane. I want to go. Can I go?

Fuck yeah. There's all these hydrox and shit. Ben, you want to go to Vegas? Oh, it's your birthday weekend. How dare you. Oh, shit. It is your birthday weekend? Oh, looks like someone's going to Vegas.

Someone needs to go to the UFC. Famous all. What are we doing for the birthday? UFC, Saturday night. We're going to get in trouble. In Vegas. If you and I go to Vegas, it's going to be trouble. Good fights.

What do you mean? We're going to make lots of money? Oh, you guys gamble? Of course. This one does. So we have no solution so far. This is insane. That's okay.

I've never heard of such a thing. So sorry. We were talking about Mystique earlier. So this doesn't work for me just to Gmail this? I mean, what about... No, it gets compressed. It shouldn't, though. Yeah, the texting did it.

If you can... It wasn't attached in the email when I tried to put my email in there, so I didn't... I bailed and went a different route. Jamie wants your email. This is not going to work. People are going to find it. Those hackers. They're going to send Jamie dick pics all day.

Don't do it to them. Come on. You want to see it? You could just forward them to me. That's fine. send jamie dick pics all day don't do it to them come on you want to see it you could just forward them to me that's fine have you gotten dick pics before yeah definitely now when you get them you're like freely well it depends on if i i'm into it or not but there's a great dick pic which is the actual it's you gotta dress them up dress up the dicks yeah little hats you ever see that one that dude that turned his dick into a dragon You gotta dress them up. Dress up the dicks. I'm gonna send this to Joe. Little hats. You ever see that one, that dude that turned his dick into a dragon?

And he put, like, tattoos all over his dick and, like, bolts and shit. That sounds awful. Unless you're into dragon dicks. I'm gonna just... Joe? Got a dragon on my back. Got a dragon on my back. Joe, do you have your phone on you? Yes, I do.

Okay, I'm gonna send you a dick pic. Nice. Nice. Finally. We've been friends a long time, but I feel like... It's about time. It's about time we cross the threshold. Really? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

What do we got? Solid. Solid. Okay, here it is. Okay. That's about in line with the other jokes you've been throwing. Oh, we got it. Solid. Solid. Okay, here it is. Okay. That's about in line with the other jokes you've been thrown down. Oh, interesting. I get it.

It's a dick on a pick, folks. A guitar pick. Okay, Joe, just to make you feel better, I'm going to send you a dick pic. No, you don't have to. Just to make up for it. I've seen them. It's fine. He's seen them all.

I've seen a lot of them. You've seen the one with the guy who was a football player and he wanted you to fit into Do we got anything going on, Jamie? No. No? Should we end this? I feel like we should just. Oh, it didn't.

It didn't. Oh, sorry, guys. Did it go through? I could play the one where they were on here on the podcast. But that sounds so badass for us. We could do that. Jamie really wants to play that one, I feel like. Well, he knows it's a good audio quality. He knows where it is. Yeah, that. Okay. Let's do that. Jamie really wants to play that one, I feel like. Well, he knows it's a good audio quality.

Okay, let's do that one. Is it still daylight outside? Yes, it's daylight until 8 p.m. now. Oh, my God. I was shooting bows and arrows at 745 the other day. You were? Yeah, it was clear enough. Where do you shoot them? Into the abyss?

I'll show you. Joe, where do you shoot your arrows? the abyss? I'll show you. Joe, where do you shoot your arrows? Hold on. Unfortunate spots. Joe, I just sent it to you. Okay. How's that going to work? It says sent. Okay. And you sent it to Jamie and it didn't work? Is that what happened? I mean, that's what it's

feeling like. Hey, tip of the hat to your lava lamps. I'm just going to say that right now. Old school. I like them a lot. I feel entranced by them. I'm just going to say that right now. Old school. I like them a lot. I feel entranced by them. I'm trying to go as hippie as I can without being a hippie. No, that's totally cool. You've got a salt rock lamp.

I'm just going to say that that's great. I've got a couple of those. One of them died on us. What? Yeah, very sad. Did it lose its positive ions? That's a good question. I think it's just the power cable crapped out. That one lose its positive ions? That's a good question. That's a good question. I think it's just the power cable crapped out. That one's dead, right? Is that one not

working anymore? Yeah. Yeah, that one doesn't work, but that one works. See, that one is lit up. I love it. It's a good size. It's next to your Marshall amp. Is that Marshall amp also like a radio? It's a Bluetooth speaker. Yeah, I want one of those really badly. Yeah, we can have that one. They sound great.

You want it? No, it's yours. Nope, you can have it. Gotta clear this place out anywhere. What? Got a new studio. Okay, I'll take it. Did that go to things?

Did that email go to things? Yes, and I sent it to Jamie. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Oh my God, we got this. This sounds better. August 11th. Suzanne Santos' new album.

Come soon. See ya. Santo's new album. Come soon. See you then. I've been working out for you Who's coming around for you Say you stuck on your balance Oh honey you're a fuck up I bet you made your mama cry when you were young I bet you made your mama cry Shining the cross, ripping her off

Cutting it down to size She was a good one with a bad son Wonderin' why you always made her cry that's Oh, honey, you're a fucker Oh, bad news, darling You fell so fast Hanging on your own dead weight You're not an innocent man Oh, no You're not a innocent man I'm feeling bad for how you do

Yeah, I'm feeling bad for how you do Somewhere along the line Somebody gave it to you On the right side and the wrong side No matter how you do I feel for you I feel for you I'm not working out for you

Who's coming around for you? Taste of your power We did it, folks. Damn. Good night.