The Joe Rogan Experience - #986 - Maynard James Keenan

Episode Date: July 12, 2017

Maynard James Keenan is a singer, songwriter, producer, winemaker, and actor, best known as the vocalist for Grammy Award-winning rock band Tool, Puscifer, and A Perfect Circle. His new book "A Perfect Union of Contrary Things" is available now.

What's it called again? What's the gym called? Verde Valley Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. So Verde Valley BJJ. And what town is that in? Old Town Cottonwood in Arizona. So you essentially like invested and built a gym out there so you'd have a place to train? Basically, yeah. That's such a smart move. It's kind of what you have to do right yeah otherwise you'd have to drive hours yeah I mean there's megatons down south there's a bunch of places down

there but they're just it's you know two-hour drive there's also Ted Osborne Osborne jiu-jitsu has an Academy there when you decide like where you're gonna live when you decide where you're gonna like decide to spend all your time like do you ever go what the fuck am I doing in the middle of nowhere in Arizona? I'm maintaining peace of mind, and I remind myself of that right away. So that's essential. It's planned out in a sense. Yeah.

Just that isolation a little bit, just to be able to unplug and reset. I think just my introvert nature, I need that time. I need that introspection. I think just my introvert nature, I need, I need that time. I need that, I need that introspection. I need that moment. Yeah. Because for you, you are kind of an introvert, but you're also kind of an extrovert. I mean, you're the lead singer of Tool. I mean, it's not like, I mean, you can only be so introverted and do what you do. So you have to kind of like fluctuate. It's a balance, but I need to recharge. I need to unplug and go back and recharge, and then I can go back out and do that.

A lot of people never figure that out, right? They just kind of burn. They burn the fuck out. Yeah. How'd you figure out to not do that? First couple years of being in L.A., I realized it was just such an energy sap. I needed to actually literally go someplace

where there were very few people. Yeah, that's the move, right? God, I always keep thinking I should do that. Every time I go to some small town, I'm like, this is probably the way to live. Just like know the people around you, live around a few thousand people, you know, have a grocery store.

That can backfire too. Oh, totally. Yeah, small town drama, big town drama, it ends up being the same thing, but it's not a stranger yelling at you. It's your neighbor. Well, I think small town drama is better if there's a college in town for some reason. Right? Those places like Boulder or there's a bunch of cities like that.

Bozeman, Montana is a good example. There's these places that are like, they're not big, but the university somehow or another balances out the intellectual vibe of the town. I could see that. Yeah, I like Boulder. Yeah. I wonder what Boulder's like now

in the height and fury of social justice warrior online activism. I wonder if Boulder's gotten weird. I haven't been back in a while. Because every place has kind of ramped up that shit over the last few years. You get me okay on this? You sound beautiful. Can you hear me okay, Conor?

He's got Conor McGregor standing right in front of him for advice. So if anything goes south, Conor doesn't have his fuck you pinstripe suit on, though. He's got his fuck you attitude in his fists right now. Did you see the conference no i that's one of those i was trying to find what's the edit to like watch that thing rather than this there's so much streaming going on i had no idea what i was looking for yeah the best for what all you want to see is connor talking and a little bit of a little bit of floyd mayweather responding but connor talking there's dana white's video feed

you could watch it on we can put it up right now. You want to listen to it? Why not? Go to Dana White's Instagram profile, and then once you go to his Instagram profile, go to the video that's playing in his YouTube. There's like a link on his Instagram page. Connor's hilarious, man. He's fucking hilarious.

And he's laughing and having a great time. And Floyd seemed like, he seemed a little rattled by how confident this guy is. When they were going face to face and standing off with each other. Yeah, give me some volume when they get face to face. Go back to that. Listen to him talk some shit. No, go before that. Go before that.

There you go. Right there. Right there. It's good. Damn. he can't even afford to sue anymore he is full there's no other way about it his little legs his little core his little head I'm gonna knock him out inside four rounds mark my words wait till they get in front of each other they start john and august mcgregor line i've got my own line of suits coming out

if you zoom in on the pinstripe it says you look let's get this world to a start let's have fun thank you so much everybody i appreciate it towards the earth. Let's have fun. Thank you so much, everybody. I appreciate it. Now watch when him and Floyd Mayweather get in front of each other. So scoot ahead to when him and Floyd, because Floyd gets up and says a bunch of shit

and a bunch of other people say a bunch of shit. Floyd looked really stupid. Back up a little bit because you see Floyd hold up his check for a hundred million. Look it, back it up, back it up. To the tax man. Let me show you motherfuckers what a $100 million fighter look like. Still got $100 million and then he never touched this shit.

That's to the tax man. You're right. I'm the IRS and I'm going to tax your ass. I'm not going to do shit. Did they shut your mic off? They shut his mic off after a while. Did they shut your mic off? And I guarantee you this.

You're going out on your face, or you're going out on your back. Now, which way do you want to go? Which way do you want to go? That's right. Sit quiet, you little bitch. You're not even going to kill me. You're not even going to kill me. They won't let him use the mic. All you're gonna do is show up. You just show up, okay?

And I'm gonna do the rest. I'm here right now. You just show up and I'm gonna do the rest. I'm here right now. You can get it right now. You can get it right now. You can get it right now. You can get it right now.

Hey, don't we got to pose the fighters now? Face to face. Watch this. Watch your mouth. Selling tickets. That's why they kill you, sir. One shot is all it takes, man. Selling tickets. I'm not the last one. I'm not the last one. I'm not the last one. I'm not the last one. I'm not the last one. All right, all right.

I get nervous. Come on, you. Easy. Easy. Easy. Easy. Easy. Easy. You ain't got the first one, are you sure? Yeah, you ain't got nobody else. I've been talking to you for 20 years.

Real fists. Real fists. Real fists. Them hands already? Do they hurt more in the cold? Do them hands hurt more in the cold? Do they hurt more in the cold? Make sure you get them massaged out.

Make sure you get them massaged out. Do your hands hurt? Do they hurt more in the cold? Alright, boys. Alright, boys. Alright, boys. If this is a real fight, you're dead already.

Oh, this is amazing. Do your hands hurt when it gets cold? Because Floyd's had a bunch of hand surgeries. You've got brittle hands. Do your hands hurt when it gets cold? Do they hurt when it's cold? Yeah, I have no... I don't know enough about boxing to have any clue.

All I can look at from a distance is Floyd's older. He's slightly smaller. He's also the greatest defensive boxer of all time. Right. Like literally of all time. And Michael Jordan was arguably one of the best basketball players, but put him back in the game today. Yeah, but Floyd hasn't been out for that long. He's still relevant. I mean, it's only been a couple of years. I think it was two years since his last fight against andre burdo was it two years right and then before that the pacquiao fight you know like he's definitely not in his prime so yeah i'm saying you know so that was

that was my first look that's what you look at you go age reach all that stuff size watching what happened to mcgregor up against diaz that and wasn't really ready for that larger dude to hit him yeah um is that the equation but then you know McGregor's no joke so he's you know he but can he handle a guy who's done this a hundred times he's done it more than a hundred times I mean Floyd grew up doing it the thing about Floyd is I think you have an idea of what you can do to him until you get inside the ring with him, and then you realize how good he is. His defense is just on another level. He's just in a completely different zone all by himself. His movement, the way he's able to figure out what you're going to do,

the way he processes your movement, throws it into his boxing computer, and then before you know it, he's catching you before you even know what you're doing. He's just a wizard, man, when it comes his boxing computer and then before you know and he's catching you before you even know what you're doing he's just a wizard man when it comes to boxing the thing is connor is a way bigger guy he's younger he's way stronger i mean physically stronger not just in terms of like punching power he's way stronger with punching power but he's also like stronger physically like if he gets a hold of floyd and starts manipulating him i'm very curious to see what like his his trainer John Cavanaugh is a very very smart guy I know he's also worked with Paulie Malinagy Who's a world champion and one of the best boxing commentators in the business? He's helping Connor

It's gonna be interesting you know on paper you would have to say Floyd has a massive advantage But all this shit talking wears on a man Mm-hmm, that's that's a different kind of shit talking and foys ever experience. He hasn't had that massive advantage, but all this shit-talking wears on a man. That's a different kind of shit-talking than Floyd's ever experienced. He hasn't had that. He's got a guy telling him, I can kill you. Easy. He's got a guy telling you, this is a real fight. You're dead. You're dead in 20. He knows he's right.

He knows he's right. Floyd fucking knows it. If Floyd, he lets his ego get crazy, let's have an MMA match! Let's go ahead and have an MMA match! Right, then he's dead. He's a dead man. He's a dead man. He'd fight him in the octagon with four-ounce gloves, too.

Yeah, he said that. He's ridiculous. Let him use elbows. Let him use just... Give him one more weapon and you're fucked. You tie up and you want to do this, and over the top comes an elbow and your fucking legs give out onto you.

Give him one more weapon. Give him knees. Knees or leg kicks We can't we it's crazy like I just think Connor I just think you need to calm down a little bit and give him some beautiful Don't give him any space just give him a little bit of space to shut up Joe Little space just give him a space Joe That is uh the guy who makes those a bad motherfucker. How do you pronounce his name?

Plastics a plastic cell or plastic cell no, but the gentleman who makes a is a bad motherfucker. How do you pronounce his name? It's a plastic cell. Plastic cell or plastic cell? No, but the gentleman who makes it. Oh, Fong Tran, I believe. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. Pretty amazing. Yeah, it's crazy, right? So accurate.

The Biggie, you've seen the Biggie? Where's Biggie? They're all over there. Oh, we had to move them. We were doing something here. Look at the Biggie one. Oh, yeah. And the Tupac one.

Yeah. Guy's a wizard, man. Who's this? That's my bitch. Who's that? That's me. Who's that? That's me. Who's that guy? But look, it's a spectacle, you know?

What happens, happens. Yeah. I hope Conor goes back. This is what it's all about. Oh, yeah. It's not like whatever happens in the ring. Yeah, whatever. That's going to sell.

Yeah. It's going to sell. They're going to charge $100 for pay-per-view. Or charge who? You're not going to pay? You're going to pay you're gonna pay how dare you everyone listens paying if you got a hundred bucks you can fuck it have 10 people over it's 10 bucks you're not gonna you wouldn't pay 10 bucks to see that you're out of your fucking mind actually my screen the screen at my house is so awesome that it's actually it's worth like i have to i have to literally i have to pay a thousand dollars to it. So if you want to come over, it's $100 to watch.

You have to pay $1,000 to watch? What do you mean? Oh, he's got a thing. I see what he's doing. Yeah. Do you have, like, one of those 100-inch LED or LCD? What is it? Is it LED or LCD?

LED now. LED now, right? I saw one at the store the other day at Best Buy. They had, like, a 100-inch TV. Like, that is fucking crazy. You're looking at that thing. It's almost too good. Yeah.

No, no, don't do that. Are you filming a lot of shit? Are you doing it in 4K? I don't know. You mean all the video stuff we do? Yeah, yeah. When the RED camera first came out, we had some friends that were using that. Then they were using the Canon for a while, just filming on.

And I don't know what they're filming on. I just know that over the last five years, just insane, just jump in technology for filming. Yeah. It's been amazing. Not having to have like dude with like lights and some guy with an adali no it's like the guy's a small tiny little thing tiny thing doing insane insane work they have trail cams now that are in 4k so like when they're looking for animals in the woods they put these cameras up on trails and they capture motion

capture and they take video 4k video and it's fucking amazing on trails, and they capture motion capture, and they take video, 4K video, and it's fucking amazing. Low light video, and they show the difference. There was something I was looking at yesterday. It showed the difference between state of the art two years ago versus state of the art today in the exact same location, exact same time. It's crazy. Like, you could see everything crystal clear. It's HD video from a tree, A little box tied to a tree. I mean, it looks like a fucking movie.

That's pretty awesome. Dude, you're missing out on that, hiding out in the middle of nowhere in Arizona. Not really, though. That's the thing. It's not like when you're hiding out there, you're still connected. Yeah, it's we just finished our two greenhouses. We're planting

them this next week, so we've got full-on greenhouses on one of the sites. Are you totally off the grid? Not off the grid, no. But, I mean, that would be nice. I think that's the goal. I feel like you can be, right, with solar. Yeah, and I've waited on solar just to see, again, if cameras were what they were two years ago to today,

how are the solar panels catching up? Because I know that that technology is insane now. Do you know what Elon Musk is doing? He's making solar-powered roof tiles. Right. So your whole roof is like a giant solar generator, which totally makes sense. And those things are great.

So I'm the kind of guy that waits a minute. I want to see, okay, once he's put those in place, how do they do against tile, hail. How do they do against hail? How do they do against sun? That's a good point. I want to see how those things last because I'm not going to invest all that money in roof tiles if all of a sudden they find in a year that they crack under Arizona sunshine. You get crazy storms in Arizona. Do you near the place where they get typhoons?

Is it typhoons or monsoons? Monsoons. Yeah, we get monsoons. We just started seeing evidence. Like yesterday, we got hail and like a little dabble of monsoon yesterday. Yeah, like sometimes people think of Arizona, they think of the desert. Right. But there's a lot of different terrain in Arizona. Yes, yes. And you guys, when it rains, you guys get fucking pounded on, right?

Yeah. What is this, Jamie? It's the hail test for the tesla roof tiles oh so they did the test lifetime warranty on them boom oh it took it like a champ and what are those other two bitch ass tiles yeah the regular traditional roof tiles oh they're regular roof tiles so the tesla panels are fucking better bitch 100 mile an hour impact wow well then there you have it. I'm in.

Yeah, because that's what I've been waiting for, to see if they can get that technology up. I'm just waiting for Elon Musk to run the world. I'm like, dude, you're on point. Keep it up. Just make roof tiles and cars and just keep it up. Yeah, being, you know, I don't know that being completely off the grid is, I think it's an option for some people.

There's just too many people for you to be actually, you know, completely unplugged and be isolated. Yeah, I don't want to be isolated. Communes don't, you know, that doesn't work. There's got to be trade. Communes turn into a big fuck fest, right? It's like the one that you'd be like the cult leader and you just want to bang everybody's wife. I don't know from experience that you're aware of, but no. Yes.

Yes, it is what happens, right? No, see, I think that like off the grid, like in terms of like non-reliance, but connectivity in terms of like being able to figure out what's going on in the world. Yeah, yeah. That's a reasonable goal, I think. But I think even being off the grid, I feel like you can get to a certain point in today's society where you can be unplugged from your power and your water. But somebody's going to come for your water. Somebody's going to come for...

There's various places around the United States where they come after you for growing your own food on your land. Do they really? Yeah, there's weird stuff everywhere like that Like what what kind of regulations are that do they have against? They would end up using they would probably justify it in terms of Your your house is zoned residential not oh not agriculture Or you're you you're not allowed to use the city water to water your garden. I've actually heard this before. I've heard people get in trouble with that before. It's just another level of government control.

Do you think they're doing that? It's just like a mistake in the... And I'm not that paranoid guy. No, you're not. You're not a prepper, right? Yeah, I'm a prepper, but not... A little bitpper but slightly but not in not in that Alex Jones sort of way No, not that and I'm not that bananas I think just being prepared and understanding that eventually there'd be an interruption and the water that comes to you and the food that gets

To you just understanding how to grow food is not being a prepper. No, it's wise It's like having a lot of boxes checked off i mean just and also doesn't it feel good like i'm sure i know that you love your wine i mean it's got to feel good when you have a glass of the wine that you've grown and created and worked so hard on and it just established this perfect time of keeping it in the barrels and you know, I'm sure there's got to be like massive satisfaction to that Yeah, absolutely Because I don't you know it spirals out into all these other other areas of understanding again How did how to grow your own food you start you start talking to and communicating with people that you wouldn't normally?

talk to. Like a Republican guy is now talking to the liberal Democrat guy and this religion is talking to that religion. And there's all these economic, religious, political lines that get blurred because in that moment talking about growing a thing and sustaining a local community, a lot of those things tend to go away. Just turn this thing off and get back to understanding what it's going to take to make these exchanges and do these activities. You start to really feel connected with people rather than this weird divisive crap that goes on in the world today.

Yeah, I think there's definitely like we need to figure out how to spend more time just having regular normal day to day conversations because it seems to me like people are worse at it than they ever been before. People interrupt people more than they're like they're not good at like listening and talking because I think people are so accustomed to communicating with people through devices. It's almost like we're rusty. We're rusty on how we talk to people because we don't do it that much. Like how often do you call someone on the phone? Not that often. You and I have maybe never had a phone call, maybe one phone

conversation. It's always text and kind of all my friends. If someone calls me up, it's like, what's everything okay? Yeah. Like what's wrong? Yeah. You know, I don't use that thing for talking to somebody. I don't use this. I don't use that thing for talking to somebody. I don't use this to talk to people because the technology, to me, still isn't where it should be because I'll be in the middle of making a point with somebody, and the phone call will drop, and we have to start over. And so you get mad, and you're like, fuck phones. Because, yeah, that's why I usually text or email because I can get the whole thought down. And if we want to talk about summing up some details on it, I'll say, I'll call you from a landline.

So I'll actually call people from, I'll find a landline. A landline. You know, have you heard of those? They don't even have them anymore. They're right around. They're illegal. Right around the same time as the cassette. Yeah, I send a raven.

That's what I do. I got some dope ravens. They're super smart. You just got to leave like pineapple in the end. That's what i do i got some dope ravens they're super smart you just gotta leave like pineapple on the end that's what they like they go right to the pineapple take their little message what's up see this today oh jesus christ scientists make teleportation breakthrough yeah they uh but that's in the new york post they also did an article about how Travis Brown and Ronda Rousey are fading losers. It was the most ruthless article. It's a great argument for not living in a condensed population.

Some of the articles in New York tabloid papers, they're so fucking mean. It's something about being in an island like Manhattan where everybody's stuffed in there, where people just get super shitty with each other and they find it okay to do so. Yeah. So what is this teleportation thing? It's saying that they've teleported a photon from Earth to space, like 50 miles into space. That's not exactly what happened. They transported the information of the proton, which is also equally important because they can send data.

They send a fax to somebody. Yeah, space Wow all right Wow so in sending a photon is that like one step to sending like it's like the first step to say like it made a like a carbon copy of it it's a virtually identical it's like a identical twin of it so it could be that could be that those kind of newspapers are very similar to what we're seeing with Facebook as far as the immediate feedback, and then they adjust the article and adjust the headline to not only make money from clicks,

but also to manipulate what you're thinking about a particular subject so they can adjust your vote, adjust your purchasing patterns, those kind of things. So, you know, these clickbait things, there could have been a word in that title that they know people like you love to see. So they got you clicking on it, even though there might be nothing in the article. Yeah, you see a lot of that, right? Yeah.

You see like purposely deceptive article headings. So they rope you in. You're like, what? What are they doing? But even doing that, like are they talking? What happens to the original photon? The original photon remains present in the original location? Yeah, it's some first step into some quantum physics type deal,

proving that it can actually happen versus like just being a theory. As far as i understood i listened to a one minute video talk to my buddy about this do you buy are you buying any of this fuck all that fuck all that anywhere in the dome anywhere in the dome one punch and you're fucked son you and your proton one fucked in your fucking proton. Yeah, I don't understand what they're saying. So does that mean like one day they'll have a Jamie Vernon on a space holodeck in Arizona and they'll zoom you up to space, but then you'll still be here? It's hard to say.

I don't think that that's what they're doing with it. I think this means more like they can send them packets of information without needing fiber or Wi-Fi or anything like that. I think that's the first possible use of it. I think it's a matter of time before we start duplicating things that we shouldn't be duplicating. You know, like whole human beings. How many deranged monarchs are going to get a hold of this way before anybody else?

These trillionaire dudes, and they're going to spend a shit ton of money to have copies of them and money to have copies of them. And just make a bunch of them. What if it's just Heath Ledger's the Joker who's actually putting this out and he's figured out a way to get all of those billionaire people to jump on

the spaceship that goes nowhere. And he's giggling somewhere. See, I always feel like we're always one invention that we don't see coming away from ruining everything. Yeah, I agree. And it could be exactly this kind of thing, this algorithmic, you going down a rabbit hole and this narcissistic feedback on what you want to see, and then it tells you what you want to hear,

and then it gets you to buy what you want to buy. But the thing you want to buy might be this rabbit hole of of leveling the playing field for everybody yeah it might be once um yeah i think the only yeah is there a way out of that um doesn't seem like it well i think the only way out of it is is understanding that the things you're being told here this has nothing to do with the mastership if that makes sense the phone just media things you're reading on your social media pages this has nothing to do with yeah I read all those articles well that's not it's not necessarily mastership that's not you going to a master who has taught who has spent all this time doing a thing or

researching a thing and yeah master's degree in a thing and then you go to this class you take the time the effort it takes to get to that place and every step along the way is a new level of a revelation or some kind of epiphany of understanding of oh that's why we did this and then now i can understand that and educate yourself. So destroying, destroying an entire base of ignorance and knee jerk reaction, clicking on links and being fed horseshit. It almost has to be like a conscious effort on each individual to step back and go, I hate that Trump supporter. I hate that Hillary or Bernie supporter because of the things I've been told and the things I believe that have been fed back to me. What if, then this is the hardest step, I think, for most people. What if I am completely wrong about all of it?

So how do I empty my vessel, open my mind, and try to figure out out backtrack on what the truth is is this person really that much different than me are these people that much different did they grow up with a bad you know bad set of poison in their system did I grow up with a bad poison in my system I don't know so I don't know if there's any way out of it because the solution I'm talking about requires a lot of introspection, self-evaluation, and a lot of being more open than most people are willing to be. Do you know why I think there's a way out of it? Because there's a lot of people like you saying that.

I know a lot of people that are saying that now, and it seems like a message that's being broadcast by a bunch of people that have gone sort of through the gauntlet of Life and had a bunch of trials and tribulations and they reach this point where they kind of had of an understanding of what it's taken them to get there and a lot of people like you have this Desire to relay this information and people are listening and there's a lot of other people that are saying the same thing that have also Gone through their own separate trials, right? And I think it's a it's a more prevalent message than I've ever heard in my life. And I'm almost 50. I'll be 50 next month.

And I feel like in my life, I've never... What day? August 11th. Really? Yep. What's your birthday? My wife's birthday is the 12th. Get the fuck out of here, bitch.

My son's birthday is the 5th. My winemaking buddy's is the 8th. Crazy. I went in and out of the army the first week of august we're basically all in the same fraternity basically except for me i'm on aries what's a girl's thing it's not a fraternity what is it called sorority yeah we're in the same sorority oh my god we're the same month are you ever going just the new rogan omg yeah i think more people are talking about though man i think yeah it's gonna be not

gonna be for everybody but i think there's way more people that are trying to do better like with their life do better with their mind do better with themselves it's a it's a very very common thing so much so there's a lot of criticisms about the various methods and people kind of losing sight and then there's like there's a bunch of bullshit artists that are capitalizing on this idea as well and they're not really doing it but they're pretending they're doing it and they're talking about it but they're not really in action. But you can kind of see those guys always look

a little doughy. They always look a little, you know, they're not really doing it but they're talking about doing it. People love talking about shit they don't really do. Like some of my friends

that they'll talk about writing comedy way more than they actually write comedy. Yeah. Like Judd Apatow said that. He said, don't fucking talk about writing just write i think he's right yeah nice one right i mean isn't it the same

thing it's like there's a fine line between inspiring discussing and then like sort of analyzing with people that you respect and trust and like, and then actually doing the work. Yeah. And I think part of it is literally working. I think getting your hands dirty in the soil, like find a, as a start, it's just think of it as therapy, whatever money you're spending on a therapist, take, take that time and go find a community garden and just weed. Just go in there and plant some, plant some carrots, day community garden and just weed just go in there and plant some plant some carrots do something to just kind of like unplug and touch dirt yeah and do a thing and reconnect with uh that cycle if you can reconnect with that cycle of life in some level you start to really understand what

what's more important you know some people some people have kids that helps them kind of reground themselves and redirect and focus their energies. Some people just find gardening in that way. But this is supposed to be a convenience. This is just me trying to talk to you from a distance. But as far as the information you're getting off of this thing in terms of social media, there's a lot of poison. There's a lot of misdirect. There's a lot of misdirect there's a lot

of crap in there you have to kind of fight through it and literally go weed a garden yeah i think i think you're definitely right i think doing that is good i also think doing difficult things is is good i think that's one of the reasons why you're so drawn to jujitsu and you have it's the hardest thing i've ever done in my life it's the hardest thing it's it's the most it's you know i'm getting all you know snowflakey weepy here um but it's just it's it's uh it's not something that you are handed you have to do the work to get it um and i had so many injuries over the years and so much distance from this thing and i'm such a stubborn prick that i'm i have i've started a thing I'm gonna finish this thing so that's kind of that's where I'm at with jujitsu and it's not it's not something that

you can be handed well you know someone's legit when they get a fucking hip surgery and then they're back on the mat four months later that is first of all ridiculous and not advisable but admirable at the same time right it took me it took me a while to lose the i was gaining weight before the hip surgery because i just couldn't move uh as well as i wanted to um obviously i mean it was completely destroyed hip uh no no cushion in there and then the recovery was and then i was on the road which is like one of the worst ways to recover from anything uh you're trying to recover from being there right in the moment but the thing i did

finally found my rhythm because i think last time we talked i talked about how it's hard to train on the road because i've got this thing i got to do that night finding those guys, finding the black belts that understand the low impact flow roll, putting threads together, just doing simple positional drills, all those things. Now I've been able to train with Dave and Dan Camarillo, Henry Akins, Rodrigo Havaji comes down, Todd Fox comes down. I've been able to train with a lot of people on the road. That's amazing. You know, we find our hour right before sound check and, you know, but it has to be people

I trust. It has to be people that have an understanding of, I'm not here to do this. I'm here to do the singing thing. Yeah. This is just something that helps you get to that. Yeah. So I'm just chipping away at that purple belt, trying to get to that next level. Yeah. I feel like, in my opinion, drills are like one of the most important things that people don't like to do. It's just one of those things where it's jujitsu, like rolling and sparring. It's so fun that people just want to get right in there. We'll just roll light.

Let's just roll light. And so you just kind of do it, but the real work is done in the drilling. If you can't do it slow, you can't do it fast, especially if you don't understand it, understand what it is you're supposed to be doing. And if you have a good part, a training partner, a role player to help you, and he's giving you the exact position that you're, that you're trying to train. If you got one of those pricks, it's like know blue bell purple belt guy like no i'm just going to i'm going to adjust this position to right no that's not what you're that's not what you're here for right yeah live drills are important but yeah like dead drills are important too where a person just you just roll just roll through the the technique with them right yeah i mean it's like I've always found it really interesting how many people like find it sort of in their life and it becomes like almost like a replacement for religion in a lot of ways.

It becomes like this grounding thing for them. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it seems like the real difficult things, whether it's jujitsu or whatever you're into, you know, I have a buddy that's into ultra marathons. That's his thing. or whatever you're into. You know, I have a buddy that's into ultra marathons. That's his thing. Like, it's just like pushing his body to run these crazy distances becomes like this weird sort of like centering thread in his life

because he knows it's so fucking difficult that all the other things get easier. Okay. You know? Yeah, he can run. That's good for him. Yeah, he can't do that anymore. I'll let him do that.

But you said that some people can run with a hip replacement? Yeah, I've heard that there's some guys that they'll go in every couple years and have the actual pad. I don't know if it's like a silicone pad or something that they just cut them open like a small incision, pop it out, pop their hip out. So I guess during the surgery they go in from the front. My guy went in from the front. So my leg was laying across my head while they're in there digging my you know so it's a full-on scooping out the the hip um sawing cutting sawing off the the hip the leg the femur bone putting a spike down the

middle of your femur with the ball on top and then putting it back in and then waking you up about an hour later going let's go for a walk oh my god how many how many um inches is the spike uh the spike that goes into the ball i think it's like it's like about uh 20 irish inches about the size of my dick sorry what are we talking about the the dick Oh, my God. Look how far it goes in. Yeah. Jesus Christ, it's huge. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, my.

Thank you. Look at that. Oh, my God. That's freaking me out. Now, how does that not just, like, the mechanical leverage seems like it would just snap your femur? Yeah. Well, I guess. Look, if I leg kicked you, you think you'd be taking that okay? I would.

I would. Please don't. Please don't. I feel like if somebody leg kicked you right at the bottom'd be taking that okay? I would. I would. Please don't. Please don't. I feel like if somebody leg kicked you right at the bottom of that spike, that's a wrap, son. Yeah. I feel like right where that spike connects to the meat, I feel like someone who's got a real good leg kick is going right through that. Yeah. But I think the bone density, what happens with the bone density is that's why the healing process is so slow

because the bone is actually healing around that thing right that's maybe in theory more dense than the actual spike whoa but you're right just the physics of hitting kicking that you would think would that's your that's your weak spot what about like falling and stuff do they they advise you the one thing they don't have you do is if you were to bend my leg back, my knee back that way, like a lunge back. Don't do that. And I do some kind of thing, it would pop out forward. Oh, Jesus Christ. Now, even with no weight?

No, it would have to be some kind of weight that would push forward. But it used to be the way if I put my knees up on my chest to do like butterfly, the way that they designed the hip before, it would actually pop out that way. What the fuck? But now they've fixed it where it has to be this other extreme angle to get it to pop out. But it can pop out. Has it popped out on you yet? No, it has not. Do you do any weightlifting to strengthen everything around it?

Yeah. A lot of walking. Yeah. Some weight training. I really like the kettlebells. Yeah. When I'm doing this stuff. I think just that wrestling, you know, working with somebody, not actually doing the takedowns for warm-up.

I do takedowns, but, you know, just that act of lateral, front, back, and then having somebody pull you those different ways. In a low stance. Yeah, low stance. I like that low center of gravity drop Yeah, that's good for the legs for sure. So kettlebells that the the battle ropes do you do body weight squats? I Do not I'm a big fan of body weight squats your Hindu squats. They call them It's a type of squat that you do you do like a lot of reps I'll do 200 reps and what you do it's hard to do

It's not it seems like it's easy because you do the first 10. You're like, I can do 200. And then you get to 20. You're like, ooh. And then you get to 50. So there's no way. You're just you doing your thing. Just me.

And you go down. Yeah. You go down. You drop your hands back. You touch your hands to the ground. And then as you go up, you bring your hands up forward. Fuck that. Yeah.

It looks like this. It looks like this it looks like this hang on hang on called Hindu squat hang on gotta get counter over so you stand you stand like this and you you you stand with your back straight up and your hands are like behind your butt and you go down like this one two three and as I'm going down my heels go up so at the on the bottom like at the bottom I'm actually on the ball my feet my heels are up and my hands go behind my heels right and then as I come up I touch the ground and I go up to this position okay and I breathe out as I do this so I'm going 200 200 of these bitches I just you've done like five and i'm ready to take a nap

let's just keep going let's have a donut can we just have donuts no man i'm i think a lot of people that they don't do enough shit with their legs is that what you do is that the more shit you do with your legs whether it's running or squatting or dead lifting it just your whole body feels better and people neglect that shit. Yeah, I do more leg stuff like that than I do arm stuff. I think my next step, as I talked about before, is I had broken my wrists. I think the last time I was in here, that actually was a broken wrist, not a sprained wrist. Oh.

Yeah, so I actually broke both my wrists that year, and I had shoulder issues, rotator shit issues. Did you do anything to that? I did those. Stem cells? Not the. PRP? Not the PRP.

The other one that they. Regenikine? Yeah, I think so. You did that one? Where'd you do it? In Arizona, they were doing shots. Oh, really? They're not cheap.

No. No, it's not cheap. Do they take your own blood and do it? No. And that's why I did it. Regenikine must be something different. Okay. So it's like, you no, it's not cheap. Do they take your own blood and do it? No, and that's why I did it. Okay, then it's not Regenicaine. It must be something different. Okay, so it's like, you know, it's something like that.

And then I started researching going, whoa, you know, we just discovered Hep C a couple years ago. Maybe I shouldn't be putting some kind of weird foreign shit in my shoulders. They just discovered Hep C a couple years ago? Well, you know, just hepatitis in general. Like, it's, you know, it's like. It's on the rise? Well, 20 years ago, people didn't know what the hell that was you know 30 years ago they just thought people were skanks they didn't know like skanks have actual like terrible diseases yeah male and female skanks i'm just thinking

and just in general like uh you know things that we here take some prozac and then no don't take any prozac right you know just changing their minds about every thing that they put in you or pull out of you. That's for sure. That's for sure. True. So, you know, I just, I stopped, I want to do more of what you were doing with actually spinning out your own stem cells. There's a couple of different procedures that they're doing now. One of them that's really important is they're shooting stem cells directly into disc tissue. So people that have bulging discs, they're able to heal the discs and actually create more disc tissue. And this is all just super cutting-edge stuff.

The stem cell technology is some of the most intriguing and fascinating things that are going on right now in modern medicine. They're able to do amazing work. They think that within a few years they're going to be able to fix things. Here's one thing they're doing. This is really important for people. I better not forget this. When they used to blow out things like ACLs, they used to have to replace it. They used to either replace it with a cadaver ligament, or they would replace it with your

patella tendon. They would cut a piece of that, like I had that done. Or they would take your hamstring. Sometimes they take a chunk of your hamstring and they screw it in place. Now they have a new method, real new, where they can actually, they figured out a way to repair the actual ACL itself. They figured out how to tie it back together again. And it heals. It heals way quicker. You're walking almost instantly, like after the surgery.

And you're back to action in three months. It's a totally different ballgame. They had this guy who competed in the Olympics five months after getting the surgery on his Achilles. He blew out his Achilles. And he used to be like, instantaneously, your leg was useless. And it was useless for like a year. Now this guy's five months later is competing in the Olympics, and they're shooting stem cells in there to help the healing.

It's fucking crazy what's going on right now. That's nuts. We're living in an awesome time. Yeah. I mean, for a guy like Hickson who has all those back problems, man, let's get him on that. I know, right? Yeah. I think Hickson is all like holistic, though.

He wants to just do yoga. Ride off into the sunset on somebody's, like, a pale horse or some shit. Yeah, yeah. Come on, dude. Yeah, like, meditate on something while they light it on fire, and that's how he's going to go out. You know what I mean? You know, I just, I don't know how much he's into getting a bunch of stuff shot into him, you know? I mean, I think I admire that in a lot of ways he's a fascinating character and he's the guy in my opinion that

opened up a lot of people's eyes to yoga from that choke documentary yeah yeah people saw that and they were like oh wait a minute yeah the baddest motherfucker on earth does yoga does yoga yeah and when you see what he can do with his body like oh well of course how are you gonna hold on to that guy look at look at how he can move yeah he could just stand up on a balance beam and do a full split holding his foot over his head and he's 40. you know at the time he was you know now he's in his 50s he He's amazing. Quite a fascinating guy, but not interested in getting shot up with stem cells. I am.

Sign me up. I don't even have problems with my ACL. I just want to do it. Let's just do it. Let's just do it. Shoot it in there. Shoot it everywhere. Find out what happens. Yeah, some people go down to Mexico and they get it shot into their veins. That Dan Bilzerian guy, you know who that guy is?

The internet, he's hilarious. I've had him on the podcast before. He's a poker player and his fame is from being this internet guy with a ton of money that flies around in jets and has all these hot chicks with him. He's always shooting guns and driving dune buggies and shit. He goes down to Mexico all the time and gets it shot in his veins intravenously. And I'm like, what does it do for you? He's like, I don't know. I feel fucking great.

He just doesn't even know. Is it good? Is it bad? No one exactly knows. Right. But they take stem cells and they just- He's got electrolytes. They launch him in you intravenously.

Boss Rootin said he did it. He felt like he had power coming. He goes, it was like I had light coming out of my hands. Like, ah! Like the first time you did meth. Okay. No, I think it's better than that. Okay.

It's better than that. It's like meth and ecstasy together. All right. It's like you're energetic, but you're also loving. I think there's something to what we're doing right now where I think within the next 20 or 30 years, we're going to have a real problem with people not dying. Grandpa. Not with the current administration. I think they're going to be all right with that.

Do you think so, man? That motherfucker, he's so egomaniacal. Don't you think he'll be shooting stem cells into himself and try to keep himself alive forever? Yeah, but he's going to send somebody else off to go fight for the materials that go into those shots imagine if trump found out about it before anybody he started reverse aging like benjamin buttons that'd be amazing just all of a sudden trump is like younger again kind of freaking everybody out we know he's 90 but he looks great yeah as long as he goes all the way down where you can put him over your knee and like a and give him a timeout.

What do you think is going to happen with this dude? I think it's a smokescreen. I think there's so many other things going on that we're not paying attention to. But it is a testament to just the level of frustrations I think that people have had just with government in general. And the Internet and the social media has been able to polarize us all enough to where we don't talk to each other to really sort out some of the actual issues that are going on. So you have this spectacle going on right now that it's amazing. It is a spectacle, but I always wonder whether or not it's an orchestrated spectacle or whether we just try to find patterns when patterns don't even exist.

And what it really is, is just, this is just a goofy dude who loves attention and we have a fucking popularity contest to see who runs the country. And again, like I said, you go back, you know, just back popularity contest to see who runs the country and you and you again like i say go back you know just back it up to see where people really frustrated with the obama administration where they're frustrated with the bush administration whether you know whether is it is it connected um are they just looking for something different because if you look historically at at places that have had some success as a country, and then they have some problems, they start seeing some issues, and they just, whatever the incumbent person is, the party, the group,

all they want is something else, something different. We want to get rid of that and put something different in. And historically, when that happens, shit just goes sideways. Because they just wanted anything else and they got exactly what they got something worse yeah yeah that's the problem is worrying about it the same way you worried about technology like one guy can one day create one thing and it fucking ruins everything and you almost feel like that with like a president like we can ask for something different and then one day we get it and it fucking ruins

everything like the what what i worry about most is a lot of what he's doing like with this battle against the intelligence agencies all the shitty talks about them it's like if they start hiding stuff from him because they're worried that he's going to tell stuff to russian guys and you know and talk about certain things like like he revealed revealed top secret information about ISIS wanting to use laptops as bombs. He told the Russians that like if they can't trust him and if they develop this thing where it's them versus him, you got to,

you got a real serious problem on the, on your hands then, because that's going to, that attitude is going to carry on to the next administration. Yeah. Whether it's Pence or some Democrat or whoever the fuck comes in after him. Right. Fuck, man.

It's all scary. It's just people didn't know what they were voting for. They didn't understand. They thought it was going to be, we're going to drain the swamp. Yeah. This motherfucker just backed up the biggest sewer truck ever to the swamp, and he's pumping shit in there like crazy. Yeah.

Well, you know i agree um but i think the the only the all again all we can do i think is to step back and fight fight the battle so here you know if you can think of the battlefield as being your your old school uh you know there's a is over there, capture the flag kind of battlefield. Your first battle is ignorance. Your first enemy is ignorance. Trying to figure out how to get past the misinformation, you know, all that stuff, just to get past ignorance. Educate yourself, first of all. The earth is not flat.

You don't think the earth is flat? I think we need to see a rock from the sky slam into the earth. I think that's what we need. We need like a small European city wiped out. Just so we go, oh, oh, okay. Well, this is crazy. We're concentrating on bullshit. We're in a goddamn shooting gallery.

Our life is just so short. We don't understand the real spans of time. Right. We don't understand that periodically this fucking whole thing is going to get rattled. Yes, extremely. No doubt about it. It's coming. Yeah.

So I think that's, you know, it's idle, you know, idle hands are the devil's playground. You've heard that cliche. Yeah. I think that really is, you know. So my prepper, that prepper side of me is that person who you know what if we don't have what if we don't have electricity for a week because of whatever just you'll be fine for whatever reason why yeah just you know just but just be have an understanding of what that is um so that one it's just a starter a precursor or just or just a dry run of what happens when that rock does fall from the sky.

Because it happens all the time. Yeah. Historically. Historically, it happens a lot. And I do believe that that would be the reset button. I'd prefer not to have that be the reset button. I'd prefer that our consciousness caught up with itself and we just kind of start talking to each other i would like that too but i think

we need something yeah a little shake them up maybe he doesn't even have to hit a city like how about hit the ocean and we catch it on video just boom mile high waves wipes out all of carbon beach malibu come on son all those billion dollar they call that billionaire beach these fucking assholes they but it would only work it would only work if it if it was a global event right because if it's isolated because we've had tsunamis at large we don't care large cities yeah nobody nobody does anything about it it would would have to be, we had Katrina, but that's down there with those people. It needs to be something that's nationwide that hits all of us at the same time where we stop with this bullshit, stop with this polarized bullshit,

and start talking to each other. This is what happens. Connor connects with the left hand of Floyd Mayweather's chin. Floyd goes down, and at the count of eight eight when he's about to get up, the whole arena gets hit with a meteor. Boom! Las Vegas is wiped off the face of the planet. Everybody's dead.

But we saw the feed up until the asteroid impact. It's just one big bright spark of light and then everybody starts tuning in to CNN. There's a huge crater where Vegas used to be. The asteroid though has an EMP that hits every single feed that goes to every single camera and tv and it wipes out every electronic device that's been watching the whole thing oh now you're getting too crazy yeah that's that's so that wait

a minute that's we just need to wipe out can you help me out here we don't even need to wipe out vegas i love vegas don't get me wrong yeah i just feel like we need something where people are they have to it has to affect them it has to affect them on some level that actually kickstarts their compassion gene you know once you're sure you want a balance between your survival gene and your compassion gene because you know you got to figure back a long time ago the the thing that, that, that helped us, um, be here today is we weren't, we weren't stronger. We weren't faster, uh, than we aren't, we weren't larger than the things that were eating us. We had to be smarter. We had to be clever. We had to come up with ways to create something from nothing to be able to defend ourselves against predators that were

eating us so that creative that creative juice was there and we were trying to we were establishing food shelter and clothing as well as keeping protected from predators and it was that creative side of us that artistic side of us that actually was, you know, to, that's what you have to thank, that creative side of us to keep us ahead of these creatures, the elements, all these things. And as time has gone on, when you no longer are threatened by these things, there's plenty of clothes everywhere, pretty much plenty of food everywhere where we live. And a lot of idle hands. A lot of idle hands. And so we've lost touch with that imminent threat so we have we started to turn on each other yeah all those girls with fake asses people get mad i'm mad that iggy azalea what's her name i was hearing all these people angry at her because her ass is fat. Angry. Just angry at her fake ass.

Well, they don't even have a McRib here at the McDonald's. Does Arizona keep a McRib? I don't know. 12 seasons? I don't know, but just that's what I'm, that's no disrespect to the people that get caught up in that broken nail syndrome. But like, that is what it is. Tragedies are not tragedies right so we need some kind of life-threatening something that's really global and it's it crosses religious

economic uh social racial it has to cross all those lines to where people are like what the fuck yeah it has to expose microaggressions for the preposterous notion that they really are. Like, if you get hit in the head with a meteor and someone gets mad at a microaggression, they're two very different things. Did you see that meteor almost hit him? Her! Okay, did you see that meteor almost hit her? Yeah.

Cisgender piece of shit. Living with all those cowboys in Arizona. Yeah. Whatever, bro. I'm a big fan of Arizona. Some of my favorite people live there. Use any one of my bathrooms. Feel free.

Thank you. That's sweet. Do you have a restaurant there too? Yeah. We just opened an Osteria. How the fuck do you have time for all this? I don't do it myself. Okay.

That's big. I plan it. I get it all going and then I hand it off to awesome people. That's a good move. So Jesse and Chris and Joe are running that thing. Brianna. It's an osteria. What is an osteria?

Basically a wine bar with food. So it's a gathering place where you're combining. Like that place we went to in Studio City. Yes. What's that place called? Augustine Wine Bar. God damn, that was good. Yeah.

The food was amazing, too. Yes. Awesome. Matthew Kaner. Wonderful place. They brought out some, like, 1920 wine. Oh, yeah. We did some.

We just. I was. You raped me that night. Financially? Yes. Financially and. It wasn't my idea. Emotionally.

I didn't ask you to spend that much money. I don't know what kind of wine that was. Yeah. But it was fascinating wine. It was like, idea. I didn't ask you to spend that much money. I don't know what kind of wine that was. Yeah. But it was fascinating wine. It was like, ooh, this is wine? Yeah. I kind of got it for a brief moment. Yeah.

And then I wandered off onto some tangent. I think I actually said, I think I was like, hey, set up a fight with me and Bourdain. No, you wanted to fight somebody. I don't think it was Bourdain. Was it Bourdain? Yeah. Anthony Bourdain. He might kill you, dude.

I was pretty drunk. He's crazy. Yeah. Anthony's got the crazy gene, for sure. He's got that I used to be a former heroin addict and I almost died gene. Yeah. You know, it only gets activated in people that have been to the brink of death. Yeah.

I've met a bunch of people like that, though. I think it's a real thing. I think there's something that happened. There's some scary people, like Matt Brown, the guy who fights in the UFC. Same kind of gene. He's got that I used to die, I died, but I came back gene. Yeah, I met him. He's some scary people like Matt Brown, the guy who fights in the UFC. Same kind of gene. He's got that I used to die. I died, but I came back gene. Yeah, I met him. He's a really nice guy. He's a nice guy, but

there's that edge of like, I think maybe they've been to the dark lands. When people have been to the dark lands, they come back different. It's like Stephen King's Pet Cemetery. You know, you bury the cat, it comes back to life, and it's like, okay. Don't bring the cat back to life. Don't fuck with that cat. It's something that happens to people when they've been to the Dark Lands.

Arizona grows its own wheat, so all of our pastas and breads are from Arizona wheat. Oh, okay. Let me ask you this. Can you please not do that? We're talking, Jimmy. Jimmy fell. This is a new Jimi Hendrix poster that we have, if youmy jimmy fell this is a new uh jimmy hendrix poster that we have if you notice in the background folks because uh the old one was not really his mugshot the new one is actually his mugshot so we had it swapped out this is the real jimmy hendrix mugshot so something fell off your wall there i bought yeah we'll have to fix that we'll have to fix that. Don't worry about it, folks. We're going to be fine. Is it true about wheat that there are strains that are wild or rather unmodified that are much more easy for the body to digest?

Yeah, so Hayden Mills is one of the many down in Phoenix that are actually milling the local wheat. So they're basically cultivating around southern Arizona heirzona heirloom wheat and that's the idea okay they're going back to uh the problem with it of course it's always got to give the give and take is that those heirloom pure heirloom wheats they have far less complex glutens in them uh and there's far they don't produce as much wheat so just your production on an acre of land is, is significantly lower for the stuff, but it's tastier. It has more nutrients. Um, and then from there, the next step of course, is people understanding, uh, time.

So you're, you're taking that wheat, you're milling it. And then when you go to make your bread, any kind of fermentation in that, wheat you're milling it and then when you go to make your bread any kind of fermentation in that that you're getting your your uh inoculating that to make your bread that sitting letting this dough sit overnight you're letting it rise for a longer period of time because that whole process is breaking down those glutens oh okay So my sourdough bread is apparently gluten-free? So because most of your commercial bread, the fermentation, you know, the rising of that dough is almost instantaneous and it goes right in the oven and then people are like, they're not chewing their food, they're just cramming it in. And it's probably coming from places that are doing a lot of pesticides and all the

extra stuff that's going on those crops. So the heirloom wheat movement ends up tying hand in hand with understanding the slow food movement. Right. Take your minute, chew your food, understand where your food comes from, Try to get it, you know, organic and local. That goes all the way back to the wheat. So, yes, so to answer your question, yeah. There is something to it. What happened is they, over World War I, II, trying to make sure that people are going to be fed during those wars,

they were manipulating the wheat so that it was much higher production wheat, but now the flavor's gone. The nutrition's not there. It being resistant to all these things, all the glutens are very complex. And then so when you're actually baking, making the bread out of these things or making pastas out of them, it's just, there's all this extra crap. You know, if you created a Frankenstein's monster with this wheat, so your body of course is reacting to all those things that have nothing to do with actually having bread or having wheat. It's a very controversial subject. A lot of people try to claim that there's no difference

between the wheat of today and the wheat of the past. And they also try to claim that the only people that have issues with gluten are people that have gluten sensitivity, celiac disease, things along those lines. And my gripe with that is that I always feel that the people that say that, they don't have a good sense of their body. I don't think they're real athletes. Because I think when you talk to a real athlete, I'm not saying that you can't perform like a real world-class athlete by eating pasta. You definitely can. What I think is we want to talk about total optimization.

We want to talk about your body, like running as smoothly as possible. For me, at least I noticed a difference between eating a lot of bread and gluten, which I used to do a lot and not doing it when I don't do it. I just feel better. I have more energy. I feel like my body struggles less to digest the food and I don't have the big crash after the food is over. It doesn't mean that I can't perform on it. Like I don't have the big crash after the food is over. It doesn't mean that I can't perform on it. I don't have a gluten sensitivity issue. I can eat it. That's not the problem. If someone said, oh, you're fine, you eat it, it's no big deal.

It's not that it's no big deal. I don't think it's the optimal thing to do. I just think that it's delicious. I don't think it's killing me. But I don't think if you want to give your body the very best fuel, pasta, like regular pasta, isn't that fuel. But I wonder if you can get some of that heirloom pasta, if you would notice a difference. I wonder if you would feel the difference in trying the two.

Okay, so similar conversation, parallel. You're in Italy. You're having bottles of wine. You're having dinner. It tastes great. You had a good time. You woke up the next wine. You're having dinner. It tastes great. You had a good time. You woke up the next day. You didn't have a hangover, all those things.

Over here, I have wine, and I get hangovers, and I get sick, and I do those things. And it's like, so it must be that the Italian wine is better or has less sulfites or something like that. Right, right. has less sulfites or something like that. It's like, well, most likely what it was is over here, you're a fat pig and you sat in your house and you drank a bottle of wine with your buddies without taking a walk in a foreign country because you're walking to your restaurant there.

You're having food and you're eating over the course of three hours with your friends and you're eating food with your wine. You're eating less of it. Most likely it has a lower alcohol content because it's meant to go with food rather than being this Mountain Dew with alcohol in it that you get out of California. Right. You know, it's... Are you shitting on California wines?

Is that what you just said? No, I did not. Is it a California-Arizona thing we're going on right now? Maybe. You're fucked. You're all fucked. Okay, good. Irish wine.

You're fucked. You're all fucked. Okay, good. Irish wine. No, so I think there's an experiential thing that's happening with those conversations. And it's the same thing with the pasta. Pasta makes me feel sluggish. You ate 17 pounds of it. Right, right. Don't eat 17 pounds of it but yes going back to having just the initiation of like understanding the conversation

of heirloom wheat and understanding that there's a different arguing that there's a difference even if there isn't now you're looking at it maybe you're having less of it right maybe you're maybe you're portioning out better and you're paying attention to your diet more hey that's a step in the right direction absolutely yeah i read something about the french how the french are always eating uh bread but they do have that older wheat bread and they eat a lot of fats with their bread like it's constantly with butter and oil and they cook with a lot of butter and oil and that those carbs in that oil together apparently it's just a better fit for your digestive system i could i could see that i kind of did that uh i didn't stick to it letter of the law but i did a little bit of ketogenic diet for a minute where i cut out

sugars carbs all those things how'd you feel uh i felt a lot better right away now now i go back and i'll have some pasta once or twice a month in small portions i'll have some bread but i don't eat a lot of it i enjoy it better now i enjoy more it's not just a treat it's a treat it's enough you know that at that point like you know proteins and vegetables are the staple and i have i have treats now yeah i feel the exact same way i feel like i have my nutrition which is like i try to eat really healthy food 80 of the time and then 20 of the time i like to try to eat really healthy food 80% of the time. And then 20% of the time, I like to go to a restaurant and get linguine with clams.

You know, it's just an experience. It's a delicious experience. I know it's not the best thing for me, but it's a treat. Yeah, you get one life, so let's enjoy it. Also, especially like what you're doing, like when you have a restaurant, I mean, you're selling an experience, right? Like it's just delicious wines and delicious foods and the two of them together with conversation. And it's all that, you know, and you're like, Oh, try this, try this. You know, like when people are doing that and it's like this whole sensory experience is all combined together. It's not just about nutrition, right? It's about the art of creating this sensory experience. Cause one could argue that your, your wellbeing is you're actually increasing your life experience here and your quality of life by having this experience with these people, with these wines that you actually feel better tomorrow or next week because of that interaction, because of that show.

Even though like that's straight butter and that's straight, you know. Yeah. And wine. But no, I think you're 100 percent right. I think that's that's sort of an overlooked aspect of health is that you like positive experiences. And just also like when you go to a really good restaurant and especially if you get to meet the cook, you know, like you meet someone who cooked something for you, you can say thank you. And you have this cool feedback with the person who made your food. It's like there's something going on there.

It's like this exchange, and it's like a sandcastle in the way. It's beautiful, and it's amazing, and wow, the fucking skill involved in creating it, but then it's going to go away. You know, it's gone. It was a temporary experience. And in this world of, you know of the NSA stockpiling text messages and dick pics in some fucking warehouse in Utah. Utah?

That's where it's at? That's where it is. It is. Okay. Address? I don't know the address. If I'd known it, I wouldn't give it out. They'd come get me.

They'd come get you and tell you, now we're doubling down on your dick pics. They've got a fucking warehouse. Gigantic, like Costco, like costco filled with uh well mine would have to be a slightly bigger warehouse but uh yeah no a bigger fucking irish warehouse yeah i think um i mean in the concerts too right like live concerts are kind of that way too right like that's a temporary experience i mean there's one thing to listen to a song that you have on your phone you can listen And concerts too, right? Like live concerts are kind of that way too, right? Like that's a temporary experience. I mean, there's one thing to listen to a song that you have on your phone. You can listen to it over and over again. But when you're going to see a live concert, you're experiencing the guy like on stage,

sing that song. You're experiencing the sound coming out of the guitar right when the guy's touching the chords. That's why this stuff annoys me, the phones at the shows, because I'm a firm believer in oral tradition i feel like i'm not a firm believer i just i embrace the storytelling i embrace that whole tradition of oral tradition and being able to describe to your friends that sitting around that you know fire after a good long day of hunting where you tell the story of the hunt and you do all those things and those and those family stories and other you know your grandfathers and your great-grandfathers father stories are told in that setting and you have to remember

that there's you're not writing it down it's a it's a it's a tradition of understanding the details and being able to explain and and expand on the details from your recollection of what you saw. But if you have no skills of absorbing what you saw, if you rely on this thing to capture those stories for you. First of all, nothing you're going to get at a show is going to represent what you just saw or what you were there for. I guess as a postcard, I suppose it works. therefore, I guess as a postcard, I suppose it works, but like, it's not, you know, stay present, stay with these people to, to be there for this thing. That's far more important. And, you know, also as courtesy, cause maybe the person behind you would like to be that

person who's pulling this all out and now your shit's in their way. People hold up fucking iPads, those 12 inch iPads. I saw some dude at the laugh factory the other day had a fucking iPad. The people behind you have to like, you're holding up an iPad. It's crazy. At concerts, you see everybody's got their phone out. So that first barrier we talked about, the ignorance, just getting past, understanding how to just get past not just what you think you know,

all those things, erasing everything you think you know you know all those things erasing erasing everything you think you know get past the ignorant your own ignorance first of all right uh but just then that situational awareness is kind of goes in hand in hand with that who are you not only in your world but who are you in other people's world when i'm driving my my primary mission is to get out of your way i want to get out of the way i want to get where i'm going i mission is to get out of your way. I want to get out of the way. I want to get where I'm going. I want to get out of the way.

I don't want to have you get out of my way because I'm going to a place. I'm paying attention to where you are as I'm driving. Because if I think like that, if I think I'm in your way, this is all going to work out better. We're all going to get along. If you think like that on the road, like I am in your way, let me figure out how I can make sure that I'm, I'm getting where I'm going. I'm not going to put myself, I'm not just going to pull over the side of the road while you all drive by. I'm, I'm going to get out of the way so that I make it convenient for you to get where you're going as well. We're all going someplace, right? We're in a car,

right? Let's not, let's not fight here. Yeah, let's not film ourselves driving either right I saw someone facetiming while they're driving Holding up the phone talking to someone I'm passing by I saw a dude doing Candy Crush a while back playing Candy Crush on his Phone while he's driving It's like whoa People film fireworks does anybody ever watch it That makes no sense to me. Yeah, you send it?

Dude, you wouldn't believe the fireworks. I'm going to send it to you. Dude, please send it. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to see it. Is that video of fireworks? Can I put it on Instagram? Do you mind if I re-gram your fireworks?

Hey, bro, I'd rather you not. I'd really like all the hits. This is a big part of my social media. I want all the hits on that awful video that's out of focus. You can't even tell what the fuck it is. You just see some lights flashing off. But when you go to a fireworks display, you see 50 fucking people holding up their goddamn phones.

Yeah. What are you doing? Live your goddamn life. Live your fucking life, right? Speaking of live your life, you since you sound wound up man i'm always wound up i got a problem down i ran today connor fucking settle down settle down i'll put you down well you have so many different projects how do you choose like what to like when you take on something like a restaurant or you know opening this jujitsu school or any of

the number numerous projects that you do you already are so fucking busy. You have a family, you already have these businesses and bands. How do you decide like what to, do you just go on your instinct, like what to do? Uh, well, you know, everything has its own individual needs. So, and the, you know, when it comes to bands or touring or writing, there are absolute needs and processes, lead times, right? If you're going to put out a book, you have to understand that there's a, hello, he said as he held up his- Wrote a book too. It's fuck.

He plugged the biography. Guy makes me feel lazy. He's one of the few people I know that makes me feel lazy. Actually, I wrote it with Sarah. I was involved. You can credit goes to- The guy makes me feel lazy. He's one of the few people I know that makes me feel lazy. Actually, I wrote it with Sarah. I was involved. You can credit goes to Sarah Jensen. Sarah Jensen with Maynard James Keenan. Yes.

A perfect union of contrary things. Boom. With my American. Yeah, so it's understanding, organizing your time. Delegating is huge. Delegating is huge. Understanding what it's going to take, what kind of effort it's going to take for those things. When it comes to winemaking, I'm locked down for that period of time.

When it comes to writing, for example, with Tool or with Perfect Circle or Pustifer. Understanding, you know, timing. And we can get into that in a minute. Wait, wait. Now. Okay. you know timing and we can get into that in a minute wait wait no okay um uh yeah so it's it really does come down to understanding i'm really good at planning uh you know planning ahead and looking at things so if i think uh if if somebody comes along and says hey we're going to do a thinking about doing a, you want to be in the film, I go, well, when is it? Because I already have my year.

You should see my schedule. It's a year and a half out. Really? You're just locked in? Yeah, because there's things that I know. For example, if you're going to put out vinyl as a band, generally speaking, unless you're somebody who can make some calls and cut some corners, if you're going to deliver a master to actually cut vinyl and nowadays you want your vinyl to come out on the day that your record comes out you don't want it to be a delayed thing and have it all be scattered um it takes you know

three months that that's your that's your lead time for production no less than no less than three months is what you have like and you have to make an order like say like x amount of thousands that you have yeah so you have to plan ahead so if you if the if you finally get all your shit together and you've got your you got your masters you're going to do a thing um uh then you have to go okay well then once that's once that's there uh the release date can't be any sooner than this date. Well, if that date is January 1st, that's not good. Nobody releases a record on January 1st.

Why is that? Just because it's a bad time to release a record. You just came out of Christmas. It's like business-wise, you just don't do that. Having a rock concert on a New Year's eve that's a different thing right people are out partying they're going to do their thing so you're going to release a record in the spring you're going to release a record in the fall that's when you release it generally speaking people release all summer as well but the optimum times are optimum times so just knowing that okay well

if it takes that long to produce the record and get you know set up press and do interviews you know as for lead times in a magazine or online where you know interviews are scheduled out we had this planned months ago a couple months ago yeah because i couldn't just you couldn't you wouldn't just call me last week and go hey you're gonna come in now right we don't know what our schedules are so you're thinking ahead right so the same thing with with the music you're always you're always kind of looking ahead to go well in order to deliver that master that means we had to be mastering that piece by here and we had to be mixing and you know mixing and then looking at the mixes again and fixing anything it's going to retract something any kind of you know scrambling last minute before mixing that's going to take this amount of time well in

order to mix we have to track right so you have to have everything written before you can actually track it to mix it generally speaking so that means all the songs have to be written by this day if you're going to record all of them and mix all of them and master all of them and release them all on the same day right wow so you have to think all the way back to that day like where are we today are those songs finished today well then we can start recording them tomorrow or next week now how do you know when a song is finished like do you if you give yourself a deadline let's say if you say um you know we have six months to complete this album or whatever it would be and you have a song that like man It's just something about the songs. This doesn't feel right. It's not done. Just something feels off

Like how do you how do you finish something by a deadline? Sometimes you don't do you just take it out of the album I decide for later or how do you how do you do that? Yeah, I think of course that varies with everybody. If it's not ready, it's not ready. So you keep delaying and try to get it right, I guess. Or you second guess it. Or you start realizing, these are just songs. We should probably just finish them.

Remember that feeling when you were a kid? Where you get an album and some of the songs were just fucking amazing and then you would hear like one or two and you're like what the fuck is this piece of shit how did this get on a Rolling Stones album well most likely it's because they had a deadline and their record company

made them they didn't you know they were locked into a contract that said that they had to deliver by a certain time but if you're not locked into that kind of a contract then then you can kind of take forever, which is an equally awful thing to not. Are you free of contracts now? Are you your own man when it comes to music? Tool has one more record under a contract.

Perfect Circle just signed up for a one-album deal through a company to do a one-off album. Pussifer is an independent project. We've been independent from the beginning. Do you prefer that? Or is there benefits to both? I think there's benefits to all those things. It depends on how many trust issues you have, I guess.

If you're going to work with a large company, if you can trust them to handle and carry some of the water on some of these things without it getting lost or spilled or you know dumped um yeah you can work with a company like that it depends on your goals i suppose is it like more of a benefit now that you're i mean especially i don't know i don't know if now you're dealing with the resurgence of vinyl it's been pretty steady over the last few years, right? It's kind of like a mason jar type thing. People are into old, funky stuff, you know? Yeah, well, I think there's still that nostalgic feel of touching the vinyl and being able to have that thing and listen to it.

There is a difference, but I feel like going back to what you had mentioned earlier about people realizing, I think we need to start looking and talking to each other again and reconnecting. And I feel like vinyl is another tip of that iceberg of that reconnection of like, it's not long, this is so temporary and so one. Digital. Yeah, so one EMP away from all that stuff being gone, all those experiences you wasted,

you were recording the fireworks rather than actually looking at the fireworks, and then you dropped your phone in the toilet, and it's gone. It's gone. Or an EMP wipes out all of the servers that are on your cloud, and so all those photos you thought were safe somewhere are no longer safe. You're freaking me out, man.

You're right. But yeah, so I think vinyl, there's a connection. There's a tactile. Does it sound better? I think it does. Yeah, I think it does. It depends on are you Creed? It's never going to sound better.

How dare you. What about Nickelback? shit on all the bands You can shit on it with a free punch hurry up Get all your shots and you know was a good one in sync was always a good one new dough Wow, you went deep deep Backstreet Boys. Remember you should be able to punch Punch down on them. It was the easy shot. I Had the Menudo album. Did you?

No. Nobody takes more punches than Nickelback. They take a lot of shots. People just go after them. Yeah. And they never fight back. They're like, what the fuck, man? Well, because they know on some level they asked for it.

Sorry. How'd they ask for it? I don't know. I'm just jumping in on this rat pack they make good stripper music yes they do you know they make good pole music yeah right girls spin around a pole you're right it's nickelback yeah so i think yeah i think that is the that's the the vinyl connection i think is there's a lot of guys nowadays, like Tool, for example, they like analog. They like tracking to tape and to really translate those things.

Vinyl is your perfect medium for that thing. It's just not very convenient. There's no record stores. When I released the first Pussifer record in 2007, from the time we started recording that record to the time we released it, there was one number of stores when we started recording, and there was one-fifth the number of stores actually in existence by the time we actually released it. Wow.

The record industry stopped and went away during that period of time. So 2007 was when the wave rolled back. You could see it happening. It was gone. And it was it was gone and that was still with best buys that were still selling cds was still part of that 120th wow so now this is all it's all rolled back to where the small independent stores that weren't greedy that really had a relationship with their customers that enjoyed vinyl that had all those things those are the ones that have survived and thrived, like Amoeba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those kind of much smaller versions of those things,

like Zia Records in Arizona. Yeah, I've seen a few of those on the road, and I've gone into a bunch of them, and they're kind of cool. It's a totally different thing. It's almost like you're going to an antique store or something. Stinkweeds is great. Have you ever go through... Stinkweeds?

Oh, yeah. Where's that? In Arizona. Oh, whatinkweeds is great. If you ever go through. Stinkweeds? Oh, yeah. Where's that? In Arizona. Oh, what part? I think Tempe. I don't know. Kimber's going to kill me. Tempe.

Because I couldn't remember where it is. I used to do the Tempe improv all the time. That's a cool little spot. Yeah. Tempe's an interesting little town. Yeah. Yeah, that whole area is really awesome. So when you make a run of those things, you kind of have to decide as they're selling when to make more of them too, right?

Yeah, well, as a small project like Postrefer, we're writing the checks. So you don't want to overproduce these things because then you're kind of sitting on them. And for us, at the level that we're operating, you always want to operate in that level where it's... Sustainable. Right. That's kind of a beat word but yeah i mean you know i use it all the time because it's the most accurate word to really look yeah sustainable if i can keep this thing to keep this thing alive i don't want to keep going back to other pockets of money to make this thing like this thing should stand on its own so you have to be making all these decisions as if this is an independent business on its own ready to survive and so yeah you have

to pay attention to if they want you know if they want 10 make 9 interesting yeah they want 10 make 9 give the people wanting more always always don't don't live past your means all right stay up there don't don't live past your means all right stay up there yeah that good Goldilocks zone yes do you anticipate ever trimming it down to one band or do you like work when three different projects well I think just the nature of of tool in general I'll jump into them uh obvious one to use just their their process and their writing process is is so drawn out and i mean i'm sure there's a lot of reasons that go into why the delay has been so long um but when you have a project like that there's always going to be time for me to do other things and i will i will definitely i just like doing it right i like doing it more i like to release records and write things

a little more quickly than those guys like to write so their process um is uh very analytical and i think you know at some point maybe because so much time has gone by uh with uh from the last album there has to be some a little bit of fear in there you know your gut like has or is this record going to be as good as the last one uh you know the anticipation now is now the pressure is huge so i'm sure there's some of that goes into play but as far as the way that uh danny and adam and justin write it's a very very tedious uh long process and they're always going back over things and questioning what they did and stepping back and going back farther and going forward and in a way it's like they're they're laying a foundation they're putting in the footings for a house. So I can't write melodies until the footings are in place.

I can't write words until the melodies are in place. So I can't build walls and then start decorating this place until the foundation is in place. Because if they keep changing the foundation, changing the footings, the melodies change. And then the story, of course, isn't getting written. So that's where we are. I mean, there's a lot of footings that keep shifting, lots of awesome footings, but they keep changing. And they keep changing their minds. So I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

It's just their process. Is this a challenge for you to kind of manage your own personal expectations with the work of others? Because I know you're very prolific, and you're a guy that's just like you I know you're so you're very prolific and you're a guy that just like you're Very disciplined so you're always grinding and then when you manage those expectations and you're dealing with a bunch of other artists and you're all You know converging together and converging together on this project Yeah, I make a word up. I think he just made it up Yeah, so like you know when you have a lot of very strong-willed stubborn Opinionated people that have had success, myself included, like when you, when you give somebody some success, they're pretty, they're pretty convinced they're right.

Yeah. You know? So, so it's hard to, it's hard to talk to me or it's hard to talk to them. It's hard to talk to people that are in that position because they've been successful. Um, and so you're, you think that the reason you got there is because of whatever position it is you're taking today right which is fine but our you know our process has has evolved over the years and that you know that stubborn nature you try you have to again take a step back and not take any any of these things personally you know that's our tendency it's like what is you right you know you get that way it's a

familiarity breeds contempt kind of thing how much of the problem is expectations of the fans because fans like want new shit come on where's the fucking new shit and that's and that's you know that i'm sure that that was around 15 20 years ago but without social media and without that direct access of bitching yeah um you know like the star reviews on like the on itunes when people are like writing reviews of shows or music or movies or whatever it's like again go to a master learn from the master to the point where you are now you have mastership all that's gone he's just like it fucking suck it took forever to load i don't like the guy with that hair fuck this one one star like right but people like being able to do that yeah they love it especially if you work at like Jiffy Lube.

And you're sitting there and you're on your fucking break and you're smoking a cigarette and you're farting and you're sitting there. You're like, fuck this song, fuck this outfit, fuck his head. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it doesn't ever make sense. So, you know, so in my brother's defense, even Billy from Perfect Circle, he's slow moving as well. But now we're starting to work on stuff that it's taken many years for him to kind of build up the cash of things that we're digging into to look at things that have been in development for the last 6, 8, 10 years.

Well, you seem to have found this interesting balance because you're such a, you have so many different things that require your focus, but you're also, so you, you're, you're one of those dudes that has to get shit done. I've met a lot of guys like you that just like, I'm getting shit done. Like you're either in my way or you're going to help me or you're going to get the fuck out of my way, but I'm getting shit done. And so you're like, okay, I can't get shit done over here. I'm going to get shit done over here. I'm going to go do this. I'm going to start a wine company. Now I'm making a restaurant. Oh, look, I can't get shit done over here. I'm going to get shit done over here. I'm going to go do this. I'm going to start a wine company. Now I'm making a restaurant. Oh, look, I have a jujitsu school.

Look, I wrote a book. You're just constant. It's fascinating because you're also pretty at peace. You found this strange balance of activity and then also relative isolation in your small area. Well, it took me a while to, like, you know, my desire to move forward, go, go, go, and get things done. You know, I'm always butting heads with the guys in the band and in Tool to get those things done, and it's just not their process. So it took me a while for me to go, this is not personal.

This is just them. This is just the way that they have to do it, and I have to to respect it and i have to take my time and let them take their time and i just check in i just go i come and i see what's going on hey justin uh send me send me the track see where we're at is this thing done if this thing is done done done and i can start writing words and music on it great but i've had instances where i've started to write stuff and by the time i actually got it around and back and we're actually listening and whatever the song had gone in a completely different direction so everything that was written melody wise or lyric wise was completely irrelevant now i have to start over

is that weird because you guys aren't in the same location physically right right i mean i can sit there in that room uh and be with them in that room but their process is so tedious and so like rain man then i just can't i i just started fucking folding in on myself like you know right back i gotta go make pasta i gotta i'll be right back i gotta go uh take five years to plant a vineyard because you'll still be right back. I've got to go make pasta. I'll be right back. I've got to go take five years to plant a vineyard because you'll still be right where you were when I left. But it's a great thing. What they're doing is a wonderful – I completely back what they're doing. Yeah, I see what you're saying. There's no other way to do it.

There's no other way for them to do it. Right. For me, I can move much more quickly if you'll let me help you. I've written a few songs. In fact fact i was involved in many of them um the ones that we've done so we could do that but i think this is what this is what they need to do uh and i'm i'm okay with it i you know you got to get a little friction in there so i have to come in and you know and puff my chest out a little bit and be aggressive and let's, let's move it guys. Let's move it.

And that works for a minute. And we, we definitely make traction, but if I were to do that every day, it would just become a part of the friction, more friction rather than actually getting anything done. That seems like one of the biggest problems with bands, right? It's just getting the personalities together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we're definitely very strong for very strong

personalities um you know same thing with billy working with billy with perfect circle um he gets a little forest for trees sometimes uh and i'm like the guy gone what what step back look at it um and then i'm out the door for poor guys going where'd you go um uh and then you know working with matt mitchell and karina and uh and pussifer um we all generally work with or for other projects and other people so when we get together we are fucking streamline organized we go okay i'll check in with the guys and tool and go okay where are we at what do we got uh are we there is it like are we going to track tomorrow because if we're going to track tomorrow i can tell you great then this is we're going to line this up but if we're not going to track tomorrow and it's going to take this much time well then i'm going to do this other thing while we're telling me when that day is right when we're

when we're ready to start when these are done i can take my time to write um i i mean and in all fairness i should take my 10 years to write lyrics now but i won't't do that. Right. I'll, I'll, I'll digest these things as quickly as I can and, and, and keep that moment, that freshness of, uh, what my impressions are of the finished tracks and we'll start, but nothing's, you know, nothing is tracked yet. Nothing is completely finished. There's a couple of songs that I think are finished now. I can start working on those. Um, but nothing's actually recorded.'s just all they're just written right um so that leaves time so i can actually go and work with uh with billy i can work with matt carina um and and get other things done in the interim so there's so there's more you know when you write

something like say if you have an idea if you're just sitting around you're like i have a thought do you just sit down and do you go okay this is a tool song this is a perfect circle song this is a puss of her song does it just like no because what i'm what i'm writing to is is the music that i'm hearing from those people so that's all you write to i write to the music because that way it's a unique it's a unique island situation those those things are gonna whenever i've tried to write i've had some poetry sitting over here that i want to write and i tried to force it onto a song for any of those projects it doesn't work it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't seem to fit so you need to hear the song i need to hear the finished thing you know almost finished thing and then put lyrics to it yeah yeah get them get the melodies in place.

Get the rhythms as if I'm an instrument. Is that how you guys did that Fibonacci song? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That was a really unique undertaking. What was the process behind that?

Did you say, hey, it would be a nifty idea to do something to a mathematical sequence? Nope. No. That was a complete accident. Do something to a mathematical sequence? Nope. No, that was a complete accident. I think it was Adam or Justin who had the riff,

and at some point they were actually counting the riff, and it ended up being in 7, 8, 9. I think it was like a measure of 7, a measure of 8, a measure of 9. I'm not sure how you would actually write that out as a and note and notation but um you know i think 789 is a fibonacci number um just that you know the actual 789 i think i think uh i have to look at again it might be 987 people don't know what the fuck we're talking about, the Fibonacci sequence is a very unique mathematical sequence that appears in nature. It's in fractals. It's in sunflowers. If you look at like the pattern of sunflower seeds, if you look at nautilus shells and what it is, it's an expanding fractal sort of a mathematical equation. I don't know if I'm saying it correctly, but it's like the first step is zero and then there's one and then there's one one two three five two two plus yeah and it just keeps

going on so that's the that's the fibonacci number like the whole number like actual number sequence there's there's the uh phi ratio one point one point six one eight anything multiplied by the one point six one eight that that or not multiplied, the relationship, the difference in the length from this finger to this finger as opposed to this finger to that finger, those knuckles in your digits, those are all in that relationship of 1.618 to 5 relationship so that the fractals as it's growing that progression is that ratio. And then the number breakdown is as you said it's 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13. Yeah so like 1 plus 1 is 2, 2 plus 1 is 3, 3 plus 2 is 5. 5 plus 3 is 8. And it's like everything you count, you add what came before it. You've got a spiral picture like of Giza Plateau showing you that. Well, also facial structure, which is really fascinating. There's something about human facial structure that uses the Fibonacci sequence.

And I read somewhere about why people recognize plastic surgery while it disturbs them. Boom. Yeah, it's like, what's going on with the sequence? Like, the sequence is off. So my friend... Yeah, here it is. The Fibonacci relationships of the human head. And it's all...

I had a friend who said, you know how when you know a family has had a child who has Down syndrome, right? It crosses racial divides it just you can tell this this family has had that that child has down syndrome there's a look that goes along with it he said it's the same look you know not the same look but like it's the same recognition of people who have had uh facial plastic surgery you recognize you're not fooling anybody. You've done a thing that's recognizable universally as wrong. Something's wrong with your face.

Something isn't off. Yeah, it's off. Yeah. But I thought it was funny that he was actually connecting it to down, no disrespect to people with Down syndrome, but. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, but it is like when you see someone with a disease, like, oh, there's clearly an error here in the code yes yeah and the and the facial reconstruct like the plastic surgery because i'm just oh shit i'm getting older this will fool them well the nose

thing too is weird like when someone has a uniquely small nose and their face you know they might have a long like ari shafirir-type face, but then they have this, like, shrunken-down nose. You're like, hey. Yeah. Like, this seems fucked. Right. This doesn't, there's a ratio that's supposed to exist, and it doesn't exist. Yeah, it's not just that.

Why are your lips? But, you know, in a way, a song like Laderellas with the Fibonacci thing, that's, I feel like I kind of pulled a very pedestrian sophomoric move by including those numbers in there because in general music is the fire ratio everything everything that all nature all these things we're talking about it's already here by by pointing it out like staring at it and pointing at it with those numbers present and the way that the numbers and the lyrics are. I feel like that, you know,

it's good to let people know about it, but I almost feel like it was kind of a dick joke in a way. It's, I could do better. That's interesting. Are you one of those ruthlessly introspective guys? Yeah, probably so. Yeah, probably so. Yeah, probably so. Anybody who's any good at anything does that.

Yeah. There's no other way around it. Good thing I'm not good at anything. It's almost like you have a guard dog that you turn on yourself. Yeah. Sit. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, like, figure out what's wrong with me.

Get him. I mean, me. Get me. And then you, yeah. Fuh, you're fucked. I'm my own guard dog. One shot to the dome. I break the guard.

I punch through the guard. My shots go through your guard. Keep your hands up. Okay, that's enough, Connor. Come on over here. Ah, you're fucked. Everyone's fucked. Yeah, but that's a characteristic that I see in almost everybody that I respect.

They all think that everything they do sucks. Or at least they have very, very high standards and are often disappointed by their own work. Well, you know, I think I have some of that, but I also have that idea of like, it's something that my father, I don't know if I talked about my dad with you, but he was my wrestling coach in high school. He was also my earth science, biology and environmental studies teacher. Really?

He was my teacher. Oh, what a drag. You went to school with your dad being the teacher? That would be fucking hard. But I learned a lot because he was my teacher oh what a drag you went to school with your dad being the teacher does that be fucking but i learned a lot because he was no joke he didn't pull any punches for me he you know he drove me as hard if not harder than his other students he didn't show any favoritism but one of the things that was always his thing on the mat and i'm kind of paraphrasing but basically you you either win or you learn, especially in that high school, college setting. You're learning about yourself.

If you went out there and you got your ass handed to you and you just got beat and didn't learn anything, well, yeah, you're a fucking loser. You take the moment, reflect on it, build on what you did wrong you, now you're actually in a way you've won. You've now, you know, more about yourself, you know, about more your, your limitations or what you need to improve and expand your talents or your limitations. So I guess whenever I'm doing a thing, I'm always looking at it from a learning perspective. So there aren't necessarily mistakes unless they're fatal and then you wouldn't know anyway. So whatever. That really is the right way to look at everything.

You win or you learn. You have great experiences because you were successful or you have very beneficial experiences because you realized what went wrong. Just one more wrinkle, one more piece of information or one more experience that you can add to your database of knowledge and it'll make you better at everything. So that in a lot of ways, that's my biggest frustration in life is when there is something that kind of goes wrong and I can't figure out what it was. That's frustrating for me because I can't I can't build on it. I can't learn from it, but I don't understand what went wrong. Whether it's a relationship or whether it's something I tried to build or something I did. How often does that happen?

A lot. There's a couple of times I've actually had an opportunity to do a vocal with somebody else as a guest singer. And rehearsal was great. And then you blew it for the main the main uh event and I'm like what did I do wrong I did everything the same and until you can actually pinpoint that and figure out what it was I'm a fucking mess like I'm slipping I'm waking up in the middle of the night trying to figure out what the fuck went wrong yeah that's the same with comedy. It's one flub joke or one premise that you botched and just, you wake up, I'll wake up to pee and go, fuck.

You know, just, ugh. And then I'll have to go downstairs and get in front of the computer and just start writing again. You know, just get angry. I've got to fix this fucking thing. I've got to figure out what's wrong with it. I've got to make it bulletproof. Yeah, you're a unique guy in that you, you're, you're all these different things that you're doing.

I feel like that kind of like works synergistically. They have to. Yeah, I don't feel like you're going, I don't think like you're battling yourself. I know people that are battling themselves, you know, with all the different things. No, I think, this all feeds everything. The stories, you stories you know i'm a storyteller so i'm involved in a lot of life i'm trying i'm doing things on many many levels because in order to tell a full more complete picture a better story having more information a good a good actor is going to do his research on the character beyond the character he's going to find out about the region the

character supposedly from and right history their family's history and you know what they're gonna add all these things in so that like when they have their one line all that history is behind their eyes mm-hmm so I feel like that's you know for writing for winemaking they're all crossing over together they're all feeding each other to make it to make it a whole presentation yeah when you're managing the you know a crop of grapes and putting together a wine and you got a restaurant going on you're working on your jujitsu and then you're writing songs you're living all these different experiences you have so much feeding into your consciousness there's so many variables that

you're attending to that it just keeps your mind sharp and fresh and and it creates i mean not not even necessarily like conflict but the issues there's live things that need to be figured out and solutions need to be created for problems it's not like there's something that happens to certain people. They get too locked into one thing. I feel that they just run out of juice. They run out of things to discuss. They run out of, they run out of,

run out of perspective. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're, you know, during the seventies, eighties era of music coming out,

first two records are probably those people spent the whole, their whole lives of music coming out. First two records are probably those people spent their whole lives writing those two records. Right. And the third record's all about the bus or the travel or the shitty record label or a manager. Like, it's all the road.

It's the road album, right? Because where the fuck have they been for the last three years but in a bus or in an airport and hotel? Yeah. So those albums end up being the ones that either make or break the band as far as getting past those things. In general, I'm speaking very generally, of course.

Yeah, but it's the same with comics. With comics, it's usually you have one or two good specials, and then there's a big drop-off. And I think it's guys run out of stuff to talk about and usually you work for like ten years before you do anything before you release anything they're the best guys it seems like they worked like ten ten years and then they put out an album or a comedy special or whatever it is and then you just your your life is about performing your life is about doing that thing.

And you don't have enough options outside of that. Like a lot of comics turn to airline jokes and, you know, and things like hotels and you start talking about that. Like that's your experience. It's constantly being on the road. What you're exposed to talk about what you know, right.

What you know. Yeah. And that's what you, all you know now is a fucking delayed flight. But I don't know anybody else who's doing it like your way. Like rock style way. Also runs a vineyard. It's like also regularly changed jujitsu.

Daniel Day-Lewis. Sort of, right? Makes hats or something. Yeah, he makes shoes, I think. Shoes. Yeah. Hats. Shoes. Yeah. Hats. Shoes.

I want a pair of Daniel Day-Lewis shoes. Isn't that what he's doing? I feel like he's making shoes. A lot of actors I've met that have gotten on a role with a good series, a TV series, a lot of them will say the same thing. About a couple of seasons in, you start looking at the door because your acting muscle can start to atrophy if you're only being this guy on that show for eight years. Do they start going crazy and going into drugs and buying houses? Yeah.

Yeah. So you start to do that little spiral. So to get out and be able to do a few films, a lot of, like William Peterson was on CSI, the Vegas CSI, whatever. He does theater now. Yeah, I would think he would have to. That's the guy from To Live and Die in L.A.

People forgot about that movie. Manhunter. Yeah, that was the original Hannibal Lecter movie with a different guy than Anthony Hopkins. It was a great movie. Great. It's a forgotten movie. Yeah. To Live and was a great movie great that's a forgotten movie yeah to live and die in la is a forgotten movie that is a great fucking movie brian cox is dr lecter and there he is handsome bastard back then yeah look at him and he's just his sharpening his chops on on the theater stage because uh he's a true, that guy's a real deal. But he's on CSI to get paid.

Yeah, I guess initially I think most likely when that whole new era of TV was coming out, it probably seemed like a good idea for him to kind of just, he probably had some bills to pay and he wanted to get on there, thinking it was going to be a couple seasons and he was going to get out of there. But then you're under contract and they're going we'll keep you around if you do this but i want to do this theater thing i want to go do you know shakespeare in the park and

they'll punish you if you leave too yeah the black bayou this motherfucker will leave a series when it's yeah yeah so ruined us i don't know i don't know i don't know him i don't know his decisions but i think uh speaking to a lot of different people that have been in this situation, it's definitely kind of weighing it out. Like if I just stick with this thing for six seasons, eight season, I have enough money in the bank for the rest of my life. Yeah. And then I'll have to fight my way back in a couple of years of detoxing from from that very it could be a great situation Yeah, well you see I think it makes people go crazy. I think that's what happened at Johnny Depp You know Johnny Depp when he started doing those Pirates of the Caribbean movies You know what's interesting like Johnny Depp at one point time and I'm a Johnny Depp fan

I think he's a great actor seems like a wild dude and he's buddies with my friend Stan Hope and Stan Hope loves him so he's got to be a good guy I have a lot of mutual friends. I've never actually—I met him a long, long, long, long time ago, but I don't—yeah. He used to do these weird projects, strange movies, and he even said once, I don't want to be Blockbuster Boy. Yeah, Dead Man. Dead Man's incredible.

Yeah, that black-and-white western. Arizona Dream. Check that one out. That's right. Yeah, that black and white Western Arizona dream. Check that one out. That's right. Yeah Fantastic. He did a lot of really cool weird projects and then he did the Pirates of the Caribbean and that fucking group of movies has been so wildly successful

That he's just made ungodly amounts of money to the point where he was spending so much fucking money They had some breakdown because he's involved in some lawsuit with his former manager they're suing his former manager he was spending 150 000 a month on private security 24 hours a day spending 200 000 a month on private jets and they're just going on and on and on he had a staff of 40 people. The manager? No. Johnny. Johnny Depp. A staff of 40 people maintained something like 15 different homes all over the world just balling out of control. Just so balling out of control.

Bring in fucking corner. No, we can bring him in now. What is this? Amongst most extravagant expenses listed in the countersuit were $3 million spent to blast Hunter Thompson's ashes out of a cannon and $30,000 a month spent on wine, the New York Post gossip column page six reported. Yeah, well, they're the same cunts that said that Ronda Rousey and Travis Brown are washed up losers. Yeah. I don't know if they're right.

What is this house they're showing us? What about paid, though? Let's talk about it. He's getting paid. Blow up like the world trade. Johnny Depp's Chateau in the south of France. Why does the Chateau have a restaurant with an awning and a logo on it? That doesn't even make sense.

Does it have its own restaurant? How baller is that? You're overthinking it. Maybe it's his own restaurant. I have my own restaurant. Yeah, but I mean like for himself only. Like he shows up. Table for two, sir?

Yeah. There he is. Can I get on the list? A strange character. He's a strange character. I think that's what happened. He started buying all that shit when he got that Pirates of the Caribbean money. Because you don't really want to be Jack Sparrow every fucking day.

Like, I want to do something else. You can't do something else. And every time he does something else, it doesn't really work. It doesn't really work. Like the Pirates of the Caribbean guy does. You know, like how many different movies has he done since he's done the Pirates of the Caribbean? A couple. A couple?

Yeah, that's right. He did Edward Scissorhands. Oh, no, he did the Alice in Wonderland thing since the Pirates of the Caribbean. That was actually really good. It was weird. I enjoyed it. But I enjoyed it, yeah. Willy Wonka.

Yeah. There's a lot of weird shit. Anyway, point being, they go crazy. They just start spending. Buying and spending. Just get caught. Howard Hughes and a downward spiral.

What is this movie? It's like Tonto, I think. Yeah. Oh, he's in The Lone Ranger. That's right. The 10 Worst Johnny Depp Movies. Wasn't that a guy that died and came back to life or something like that? Or he had The Lone Ranger come back to life? I don't know.

He helped him come back to life? The Crow comes back to life or something. I think that's cultural appropriation because I don't believe that he's Indian. So I'm offended. How come they couldn't get a native american that's not the indian yeah so that's that's uh yeah i have a hard time with all that i'm you know i what so okay you have you own guns yes okay but you're you know you're a pot smoker yes uh you're would you consider yourself a liberal i'm more liberal than I am conservative, for sure. Okay.

So there's that balance. You think the, make ribs, like that, you know, don't call me, I would like to be now from out, you know, I'm an avocado. I relate to avocados. So as my sexuality, I relate to an avocado. I think you're allowed to identify as an avocado now okay so that that thing just you know there's again we need a meteor i guess what it comes down to um you're talking about with guns and avocados yeah but like you know just that whole

the politically correct thing but then the anti-intellectualism that comes from what i would consider the the lower right yeah there's a far right that it does go anti-intellectualism and then there's far left that even though they might be more well read and maybe intellectual they put up these blinders to uh certain patterns of thinking as well i mean there's a there's there's not a lot of like across the board object there's not a lot of, like, across-the-board objectivity. There's a lot of people formulating these preformed patterns of opinions that, you know, conservative opinions and just clinging to it or liberal opinions and clinging to it.

I think most people... There's no gray area. Yeah. After a meteor, lots of gray area. Lots of gray area. Yeah. Meteor. I think most people really share, like share ideas that are conservative and liberal.

And I think what's really important, we should be able to discuss these ideas without digging our heels in and just being fully committed to one team or the other team. That's where the problem lies. People are so tribal. Whether it's conservative or liberal, even libertarian, they go real tribal. And they just lock on to those ideas and this is right and that is wrong and you know and it just people don't want they don't want to give in and so then they fight and they dig their heels in and they you know they fight their opinion i'm an armed snowflake is that is that a new category you could do that yeah you should be able to do that why not

so who could stop you from being an armed snowflake? You have bullets and shit You know regular snowflakes don't have bullets Superman, you know, I think man I think we're moving into a new stage of humanity is as profound and ridiculous and you know Verbose as that sounds I Really think that's what's going on And I think all this in fighting and squabbling is we're trying to find our footing, trying to figure out what we are and what we're doing. And guns are part of that. It's like, should you be allowed to just have that? Like, I don't know.

Every now and then it goes wrong. Well, if it goes wrong, wouldn't you want to be able to protect yourself? Yeah, you got a point. No, you don't have a point. No one should have one. Yeah, but what about when the bad people come? Should you have one then? No.

Should you let the bad people kill you and then it's all bad people alive and the good people are dead? Well, who's the determined? What if a good person gets a hold of it and they do a bad thing? There's all these variables. But I don't think it's that cut and dry and I also think it's a lot like everything else.

Meteor. Meteor, maybe. What part? If you were looking at a part of the world without pissing anybody off. Without pissing anybody off. See, if it hits China, we're not gonna care. We're like a billion people, so we lost a half a million? I'm not opening my

fucking mouth. It would have to wipe out like Latvia. Like, boom. and then barely like that show have you seen uh did you watch the the leftovers yes i watched the first episode yeah it's i i like you know i think the i love i love i love watching actors actors flex their their muscle i love it so i love that series because does it get better after the first episode they're like setting a bunch of stuff up. Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot of setup, but just the concept. Right away, storyteller, I love a good story. A huge percentage of the population just fucking vanishes with no explanation. I'm in. Right. I'm in. And all the psychological and all the religious stuff that unfolds and collapses and builds up and freaks out based on that i think

if we're going to do something like that uh it would have to be spontaneous combustion from a percentage of the globe across the board no no you know there's bursting of flames yeah that's a real thing five percent of five% of the population spontaneously combusting at the same time across the globe in front of people and no explanation. No explanation. Now we're going to talk. I don't think that's enough. I think something's got to hit us because then you'd be like, well, obviously I'm not one of those people. Because you're from the UFC camp.

You want to see people. Maybe. Fuck you and fuck your hits. I'm all for people burning. Remember when we were kids, spontaneous combustion was a thing. You would wonder. Maybe one of your friends would burst into flames while you're in school. Yeah.

When they're lighting farts or something. Is that real? Spontaneous human combustion? Yeah. Is it truly real? I don't know. How spontaneous human combustion works. Can you make that a little bigger so I can read it?

In December 1966, the body of a 96-year-old Dr. J. Irving Bentley was discovered in his Pennsylvania home by a meter reader. Actually, only part of Dr. Bentley's leg and slippered foot were found. The rest of his body had been burned to ashes. A hole in the bathroom floor was the only evidence of the fire that had killed him. The rest of the house remained perfectly intact. How could a man catch fire with no apparent source of a spark or flame and then burn so completely without igniting anything around him? Said the Washington Post. Yeah, Dr. Bentley's case and several hundred others like it have been labeled spontaneous

human combustion Although he and other victims of the phenomena burned almost completely their surroundings and even sometimes their clothes remained virtually untouched Well, that's just fucking bullshit Who what website is this listen bitch if you're on fire your fucking clothes are gonna catch fire too Unless someone's using pixie magic on you Are they did you get hit with a magic wand wielded by an elf, you cunt? Your fucking clothes are going to burn, stupid. If you're burning, your clothes are burning.

This is horseshit. Here's what science says. Okay. If spontaneous human combustion isn't real, then what really occurred to the many pictures that exist of charred bodies, a possible explanation is the wick effect, which proposes that the body, when lit by a cigarette, smolding ember, or other heat source,

acts much like an inside-out candle. A candle is composed of a wick on the inside, surrounded by a wax made of flammable fatty acids. The wax ignites the wick and keeps it burning. In the human body, the body's fat acts as a flammable substance, and the victim's clothing or hair acts as the wick. Whoa. So they're so fat that we become like a big greasy candle. It says no one's ever conclusively proven or disproven. The truth of spontaneous human combustion.

But most scientists say that there are more likely explanations for the charred remains. Like your wife fucking hates you. She hit you in the head with a frying pan, lit your ass on fire, threw you in the tub, and said, I don't even know what happened. I think it's one of them Ripley's Believe It or Not things. And then, you know, she's seen in the embrace of the hardware store manager. I was crying and Stanley helped me. Watching the detective.

Yeah, I don't think it's real. I cry bullshit. And that's why it would make so much more of an impact if it happened to 5% of the population Not good enough. I think an outside threat for another planet like an impact is like a wake-up call and now it's like Spontaneous right now alien showed up and started shooting people from spaceships Everyone's gonna go that's bullshit. That's the government. Could be, right? But an asteroid, you realize the government can't recreate something the size of a city. Right.

It's slamming into the planet. That's what's going to happen. Yeah, but it's weird, like, we care in a big way how people die, right? Like, 9-11 was huge because people caused 3,000 people to die and the world

changed radically because of those 3,000 deaths. But half a million people die every year because of cigarettes. A half a million just in this country alone. And we're like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Like it doesn't bother us that you die that way. Or you die choking on your, Like, it doesn't bother us that you die that way. Or you die choking on puss-filled lungs in some sort of urgent care center. That doesn't bother us as much. Like, that's, eh, shouldn't have smoked. Right.

But you get caught in the 500th floor of some fucking skyscraper and get hit in the face with a plane. There's a lot of good books on those kind of things. Just something like the Holocaust in general. Just the intent and the focus and the hatred toward a specific group of people has way more impact than the cigarette. The cigarette smoke, the cigarettes don't have, they're not angry and they're not hateful. Right. So that death is not, doesn't hurt you as much as if you, the impact of a group of people hating another group of people so much that they kill them in a mass, you know, in a mass event. It's kind of insidious, though, if you really look at it objectively. you know on a massive vent it's kind of insidious though if you really look at it objectively like it's okay as long as they peacefully suck the vitality out of your body with chemical dip

plants wrapped in paper that they trick you into sucking on once you light them on fire and your body becomes accustomed and addicted to it and we're like hey it's a it's a stress relieving choice it looks great don't smoke too much just as long as you only smoke a little you'll be fine what are the statistics on that like secondhand secondhand's bad too people waitresses and stuff and in bars they would get a lot of them would get cancer and people that lived with people that were chronic smokers but they weren't smokers themselves a lot of them got cancer secondhand smoke especially in the small enclosed areas real as fuck it's not as bad as the cigarettes themselves but we should have seen the

first clue would have been like as soon as they as soon as they pulled smoking off of planes oh yeah there must be a problem to the planes are ridiculous you're having to pay there are some flight's cancer, yeah, that would be why. Those things were ridiculous. I remember they used to blow smoke in the back. And if you got a seat. Smoking section. Yeah.

Non-smoking section. Separated by space. That's it. Separated in a tube. Secondhand smoke causes approximately 7,333 deaths from lung cancer and 33,950 deaths from heart disease every year. Between 1964 and 2014, 2.5 million people died from exposure to secondhand smoke. So it's not quite as bad. It's about, you know, 20,000 as opposed to 500,000.

But still, it's terrible. It's still a lot. Yeah. It's not as bad, but it's still fucking terrible it's weird he's like searching what are you doing while we're not talking about that constantly

he's got Siri on his phone hey Siri what's going on with satellites are they real hey Siri what's up with that ice wall in Antarctica a big chunk just broke off oh my god yeah there's a fucking chunk of ice that they've been monitoring What's up with that ice wall in Antarctica? A big chunk just broke off. Oh, my God, yeah. There's a fucking chunk of ice that they've been monitoring, a glacier that's the biggest glacier the world has ever known.

It is the size of Delaware, and it's floating around in the ocean now. It is so unbelievably massive, you could be standing on this glacier and not see the end of it. You wouldn't see how far it goes. And it's floating in this iceberg, I should say. It's floating. It broke off. There's 10 things that are smaller than the iceberg right here.

Jesus Christ. It's so big. It's smaller than the Grand Canyon. The Grand Canyon is smaller. The Great Salt Lake is smaller. Long Island is smaller. Luxembourg is smaller. Lake Okeechobee in Florida is smaller. The Great Salt Lake is smaller. Long Island is smaller. Luxembourg is smaller. Lake Okeechobee in Florida is smaller.

Los Angeles is smaller than this fucking iceberg. Lake Champlain in New York is smaller. New York City is smaller than this fucking earthquake. Or earthquake. This iceberg. That's incredible. That's insane. So it separated.

Do they have a satellite image of this thing? I think so, yeah. It separated and floated off, and it's going to come slamming right into the Santa Monica Pier. Look at that. You can see it as they fly over it. Yeah, that was the crack that started it. Oh, my God.

Look at that photo. That's fucking insane. The photo is someone took it from a plane. You're looking down with the wings. And where was it? Was it in Greenland? Where did it break off? Antarctica?

Antarctica. Is that the ice wall that separates us from the flat Earth? There's all these assholes that say you can't fly over Antarctica online. You absolutely can, you piece of shit. Not only that, Anthony Bourdain just filmed a show from there. He was in Antarctica, you dumb cunts. He filmed the show. He landed in Antarctica.

He talked to the people that work in the science department there, whatever the fuck they do, running experiments, trying to keep the Russians from invading. All that. Yeah. Get him up to, we should get him to Jerome. Jerome? Yeah, let's get him to come try the wine, take him out to the vineyards, and we have the training.

Yeah, you want to roll with him, huh? No, I just, I think it would be a good show to combine the wine, the pasta, the local food. I sense competitive aggression from you. No, no, you're sensing that because you're projecting it. No, no, I don't have it. I'm good. No, no. You're sensing that because you're projecting it. No. No, I don't have it. I'm good. No, I think you're a scrappy little fella. I'm not drunk anymore. I'm not like, I'm sick of Anthony Bourdain.

Here's a $7,000 glass of wine. That too. Definitely want to get him up there and get him some good He would do it for sure. He would film at your place. It'd be a good thing to do. Maybe I could help orchestrate that. Nudge it. It'd be a good thing to do. Maybe I could help orchestrate that. Nudge it. That'd be a dopey, dopey, a dope.

That'd be a dope episode for a show, you know? And you also have a very unique story, too, like doing your thing out there in Arizona. And look, man, for him, it's an opportunity to do some jujitsu. That guy's an addict. Yeah. He does it every day. Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah, when we were in Montana, we filmed an episode of his show. He went to, uh, maybe it was Bozeman. I think it was

Bozeman. He just found some local jujitsu club and was rolling with these guys. He didn't even know him. He gets in there and starts training with them. He's an animal. That's awesome. He doesn't fuck around. He does it out overseas too. Like 180? Well, he's very tall. I think he's like at least 6'3". And he's thin. He's lost a ton of weight. He lost 30 pounds from doing jujitsu. He was on all sorts of, he was on statins for high blood pressure, high cholesterol because of his diet and sedentary lifestyle. And, you know, he was like, well, you know, I have the choice between changing what I eat. Right. And I don't want to do that. I want to keep eating pork and all these delicious foods or taking these statins. So he just decided to take the statins.

But once he started training jiu-jitsu, he got off all that shit. Yeah. His body just responded to the demands. Yeah. Your body responds to the demands. I think that's one of the unheralded factors in people's obesity is not just the diet, which is a huge factor for sure, but also the requirements that you're asking of your body. Bodies are not used to sitting around doing nothing. Get up, go do.

Get up, go do. Go eat. Go walk. Get up, go do. So can I ask a UFC question? Yes, please do. What's the Hollywood Babylon over what happened with Nunez? Well, she got something called sinusitis.

She has apparently severe sinus infections that affect her balance, and they get really bad. She got one the day of the weigh-ins. She made it through the weigh-ins, and then she was having a serious episode to the point where they checked her into the hospital. And the word was that she wanted to compete, but her coaches did not want her to compete. They're like, look, you're having a really hard time walking. Apparently, when your sinuses get really inflamed, it fucks with your equilibrium. Inner ear, yeah. This is second and third hand, by the way.

I didn't talk to her. That's what you'd have to do. You'd have to have her talk about it. But it's super unfortunate because that was, in my opinion, was the highest level women's MMA bout ever. In terms of the overall ability of the two athletes,

I think Valentina Shevchenko and Amanda Nunes, they represent the peak. This is the best we've ever seen. Yeah. Nunes is a ruthless knockout striker. She beat the shit out of Ronda Rousey and she choked the shit out of Misha Tate. She's a real legit black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, knockout striker.

And then Valentina Shevchenko is a Muay Thai champion, ridiculous stand-up. And, you know, she caught Juliana Peña with an armbar from the guard. Her ground game is nasty, too. Peña is legit. For her to catch Peña with an armbar, that's staggering. And her striking is so good. Like you saw in the Holly Holm fight, she shot Holly Holm down.

Whereas Holly Holm fucked up Jermaine Durandame with a question mark kick, dropped her with a straight left hand. She never had close to that kind of success against Valentina. Valentina's super high level with her striking, her movement. She fights southpaw, and she has that beautiful check right hook that she throws that keeps everybody minding their P's and Q's. She's had a super well-rounded game. So it's really unfortunate that those two didn't go at it.

That was going to be a good fight i think they're going to schedule it again for the the event that is after the end of july event i think it's 2 15 they're going to schedule it for but then you know like dana white said now amanda nunez would never headline an event again and i just don't think you can force someone to fight if she really did have a significant injury. Like they said that the doctors cleared her to fight, you know, a significant illness, I should say. They said the doctors cleared her to fight, but she chose not to. That was like the company word. But if she's like was that fucked up, I just can't imagine she wasn't that fucked up.

I mean, it's got to suck if you spent millions of dollars promoting a fight, and then here it is, and then the people bought the pay-per-view, and then it falls apart, and you've got to give refunds, and I don't know what the fuck. Welcome to the music industry when it was at its big peak in the 90s, and people were writing big checks for stuff, and like, oh, yeah, we're going to get Mariah Carey for millions of dollars here's her thing and then she goes she has a meltdown she went crazy yeah and then like the they're like what did we just spend our money on what happened just now how did mariah carey go

crazy what happened i don't know i think she had a meltdown one of those maybe she got a bad dick wow if you catch a bad dick well i i have never personally i've never caught a bad just wonder if you catch a bad dick. Wow. I have never, personally, I've never caught a bad dick. Have you caught a good dick? I have not, that I'm aware of, caught a big dick. You catch an ambivalent dick? I have not caught an ambivalent dick. Yeah. Keep going.

I mean, there might be one in there somewhere. I wonder. I wonder. I mean, it's got to be a way. Yeah, I don't know. But, you know, somebody wrote a big check. You have an artist who had a meltdown, didn't deliver, because you're talking about we are merchants of emotion.

That's what we do. Right. And sometimes it can overwhelm you. That is a volatile thing. And it's a story as old as time. And, you know, with fighters, one little dumb thing, walking up the stairs to the octagon you can pull you know your acl fucking separates from your body yeah you could slip kevin randleman

was backstage preparing for a fight once and he stepped on a pipe and slipped and fell on his head and was concussed yeah like right before the main event right before the main event he was walking backstage he stepped on something slipped his leg went up on he before the main event, he was walking backstage, he stepped on something, slipped, his leg went up on him, he hit his fucking head, and he was concussed, and they canceled the fight. Yeah, that was like... It's a fucking mess. I want to say that was in 1997 or 1998 or somewhere around there.

And everyone's like, what? Yeah. That can happen, for sure. And then for a fighter, there's so much about who they are is dependent upon their confidence and their state of mind. And if she hears that the UFC has pissed at her, she had to pull out of the fight, and then they say that they'll never have her headline an event again. I mean, she goes from being this superstar with two spectacular performances against the most popular women's fighters of all time. Those two, between Misha Tate and Ronda Rousey, I would say arguably they're the most popular women's fighters of all time those two between Misha Tate and Ronda Rousey I would say arguably they're the most popular women fighters of all time coincidentally they're both the hottest

how weird mm-hmm you know like you got it if you're gonna be a chick and you gotta be a fighter it's it helps a lot if you're hot doesn't it I I'm not hot and I'm not a chick I noticed both of those things i didn't want to bring it up though i didn't want to rub your face right but uh yeah i mean she's who knows how she's going to bounce back from that sucks it sucks for valentina too right she gets through the weigh-ins she gets through the weight cut she gets to the training i like that home one home is one in uh in singapore that was a wonderful that was great great. Boom. Yeah. That question mark kick, that same kick. She throws that kick so well.

That's a sneaky-ass fucking kick, man. When you think it's going to be a round kick to the body or a low kick, and then it comes up high and clangs you in the dome. It's so good the way they throw that, too, because it comes in like this and then loops over and clang. She might be the best in the world at it in MMA. Luke Rockhold's got a really good one too. He used it against Bisping in their first fight. They throw it and it's such an unusual motion of a kick. It looks like it's coming up and then it just goes whip

over the top. Pull up Luke Rockhold KOs Michael Bisping. He actually dropped him with it and then he caught him with a guillotine choke afterwards, and he tapped him with a guillotine. But the way he throws that kick is fucking super sneaky, man. So who's coming up? There's a Maya fight coming up, isn't there? Yeah. UFC 199.

Is this the right one? Is this the one when he won? Or is this the one? I'm not sure. This is the one where bisping kaos him yeah see right there clank yeah go to the first one their first fight their first fight is the one he choked him out he didn't ko him but he uh clanged him with the question mark kick. Yeah, don't go with KO. Versus Bisping 1. Yeah, guillotine. Here it is.

You got jacked. Yeah, this is some guy holding up a camera. I did it, man. The UFC takes a lot of those things down, I think. Rockhold, guillotine, choke, first time, Bisping taps. Yeah, this is it

because he was wearing a beard at the time. Interesting they fought two times, you know. And then Rockhold thought it was going to be an easy fight the second time and he got fucked up. I think it's right before that. I don't know.

It's hard to tell. But anyway, it's such an unusual movement what is this just a bunch of highlights there it is right there but they don't show the whole kick they just show the the actual end of it as it's landing eh whatever you have to show it point being holly has got one of the best she's she's interesting because she's a combination of a boxer. She was like a world champion boxer, I think, like 18-time world champion boxer. But she also has like traditional karate techniques. She throws like a lot of side kicks and like these weird round kicks.

Yeah, she ki-eyes when she throws shots. Yeah, there it is. Ka-clang. Bang. Yeah, and that was after Betch Kohea was kind of like taunting her. Yeah, boink. Whoopsies. Yeah.

That high kick, man, that left high kick, that's her highlight reel move, man. That's the one that separated Ronda Rousey. So did you get any crap for our arsonist video for me and me fighting Ronda Rousey? No, nothing. Good. No. Good. No one gave me a hard time never you know i don't you know i don't really know holly or any of these guys and i they were you know they were the the fantastic five in there i wasn't sure like i might come out like you realize i'm

a trump supporter like oh crap no everybody thought it was funny like it didn't you got you got away with that one maybe but maybe now that we're talking about it, people are going to review it. Because the standards over the last two months have probably changed. And people have decided more things are offensive now than were then. Yeah, hurry up and get on that because, you know, yell at me about that. People are super uptight about what is offensive and what isn't offensive. And it moves. It moves like the tide.

It comes in. It comes out. There it is. You can play it. Want to play the whole thing? How many minutes is it? Five, four minutes? I don't know.

People need to see this. He's got skills. We know how good Ronda is. This could be epic. That was Joe Rogan. Not to be confused with Conor McGregor. You gave Ronda Rousey a very manly appearance. I did nothing of the sort.

What's going on here? This fat person. I'm having a lunch. It's a specific diet. For people at home, we're watching animation. If you're just listening, Rhonda's hitting the speed bag right now. Looking very angry.

Maynard's taking steroids. And Maynard's shooting steroids into his fat ass. Because I don't want to lose my junk. I like how you have tits. I know. Why'd you decide to have tits? I have tits. Oh, you got a problem with tits? No, I don't. Just on men.

I feel like it's gender appropriation. It might be. It is. A man with tits? If you don't claim transgender. I got yelled at. What do you have against people that are transgender? You're giving up your junk if you lose to Rhonda.

That's a bad thing. Okay. In a bet, here's how it works. You have something that you want to hang on to and keep. I have something I want to hang on to and keep right i have something i want to hang on to keep whether it's money or whatever and the bet is that if you lose you have to give up the thing that you want to keep yeah you don't you don't lose a bet and then give up something you were willing to get rid of anyway of course right so if you're a person who doesn't want your junk

just that's the choice you've made then don't you know that's not really a bet but if you it's different if you're a person who wants to hang on to your junk and you bet your junk away that's i want my junk no no disrespect anybody who does not want their junk if you want to give away if you want to cut your off that's fine i don't care but i want i would like to keep my junk yeah that's what my wife my wife wants me to keep my junk. I think that's a really reasonable request and This in this video you made Donald Trump to be a giant monster that must be put down Trumpzilla now Do you worry that like the what they call now the Kathy Griffin effect could possibly happen people get a hold this video I think that you were I've my career was over a long time

I don't think her career's over. I just think it's shifted. It's shifted. It's moved to a different place. Now she's universally hated by the right. Yeah. She wasn't before. She was just kind of Kathy Griffin.

Yeah. Now she's like enemy of the state. See, like... It's just her trying to be relevant and it didn't work. Yeah, exactly, right? That's exactly what it was. Who is this one with the demon? Is that his inner?

It was supposed to be Misha Tate, but I was trying to be kind. Oh, so you turned into a demon instead. Yeah. Because she came out in support of Trump, so I was going to throw her under the bus. Did she? I was going to throw her under the bus. Yeah, she made some statements early on, like around that time. Really?

But I was like, you know what? I'm not, she might have meant something else. So I made them, because it used to have her name under her there. Oh. As her, you know, as the Trump minion. I like how the hair is like all crazy. Like you get underneath the hair, it's like scalp, but it comes over the top and crushes you.

over the top and crushes you. From two bald guys. Don't you want to just talk to him about that hair and go, dude, you are wasting so much time and effort on that disaster. Yeah. Keep it on top of your head. Again, it might be just part of the thing. It's a part of a thing. Just keep that going.

Like the Don King thing. It's all part of... He's got to know people have better. Like the Don King thing. Like it's all part of... Like he's got to know people have better haircuts than him, right? Yeah. But he doesn't care. Right. It's maybe part of the whole... If you're going to do it, do it like...

Yeah. Make it look like a hat. A real hat. Yeah. It's part of the whole theatrics. It's just spraying everything down and locking it in place. Oh, you actually got your balls in a jar. Mm-hmm.

That's very triggering. That triggers you? It's problematic. You got to be careful these days, man. Yeah. You can't have balls in a jar and make it seem like it's a bad thing. If someone identifies with the type of person that wants to have their balls in a jar. How do you feel about transracial people?

Meteor. We need a meteor. All of you. I transracial people? Meteor. We need a meteor. All of you. I need a meteor for all of you. Everybody. Where does it hit? Okay, let's say if you're God. You're going to make me say where it's going to hit, right?

Yeah, where does it go? Where does it go that does the most? How big is it? It's huge. No, five miles long would kill everybody. That's like what killed the dinosaurs. We need like a football field size meteor. Like a hundred yards.

North Pole's not good enough. North Pole's going to cause effects around all of the shores below it. Interesting. Let's look at the world. Where do we hit it? I'm looking at China, bro. I feel like they could take the hit. I feel like they need a solution anyway.

They got a real problem. There's a billion people over there. So you're saying it has to be a populated area. Uh-huh. Yeah, but maybe like weird. Like maybe Yulin, like right where they eat the dogs. Maybe we go to the dog festival. And then like everybody goes, hey, man, maybe you shouldn't eat dogs.

God decided to hurl a meteor at all those assholes that are killing people's pets. They're killing people. Have you seen some of the videos? What if it's five slightly smaller meteors and they hit most continents? That's not a bad idea, but I think we need one big one. And I think that Yulin takes the hit. I was watching these videos where they were capturing dogs stealing people's pets and they're cooking them. It's like, boy.

Yeah, let's go there. Let's just put it there boy media let's go there let's just put it there that's the spot let's just put it right where they make the dog meat like rad as they're cooking up the dog meat dog ramen speaking of which i probably should go pick up my dog now what's that i gotta get my took my dog to the groomer did you really oh yeah you took your dog out here did you drive or do you fly i fly i flew do you put your dog to the groomer. Did you really? Oh, yeah. You took your dog out here? Uh-huh. Did you drive or do you fly? I fly. I flew. Do you put your dog in the bottom with the regular dogs? Or do you have them?

She's with me. So she sits with you? Yeah. Now, do you have to make sure that the person next to you isn't gravely allergic to dogs? Does who have to make sure? You. Fuck them. No?

Fuck them? But you have to tell the airline, hey, I'm traveling with my emotional support dog because I'm very fragile. I'm traveling with my emotional support dog because, in theory, perhaps this might have happened to someone that we might know. You're getting on an airline, and they look at your...

You're paying for a dog to go on the flight, right? I'm paying extra for the dog to go on the flight. Sir, does your dog's thing fit under the seat in front of you? Does it fit? Yes, it's regulation. It's what you want under the seat in front of you. Great. Ooh, your other bag is too big, but that's my carry-on bag. Yeah, but now that you're bringing a dog on, that is your carry-on bag, and that bag you have doesn't fit under the seat in front of you, which is where my dog's going to be. Right. So what do you do?

So I had to check the bag. So you check the bag, and the dog stays under the seat. But the dog doesn't really fit under the seat. Yeah. She's 11 pounds. She's small. But you can't stuff her into that crack where the laptop bag goes. Really? Yeah. She's small. What kind of dog is it? Yorkie. She's small. But you can't like stuff her into that crack where the laptop bag goes. Really?

Yeah. She's small. What kind of dog is it? Yorkie. Oh, okay. Yeah. So the point is that if I had a care,

if I had a personal item that goes in, that goes under the seat in front of me and the rolling bag goes up in that upper space that you have paid for. Right. Right. Uh, but they're telling me, like, no, the dog is now the carry-on bag,

but I'm not... So you want me to put my dog in the overhead bin? No, it has to go into the seat in front of you. But you told me that carry-on bags go in the overhead bin. It's all this, like, red tape, catch-22 crap. But is your dog an ESA? Is it an emotional support animal? It it can be does it have to be yeah

because if you have that then we don't charge you anything and you can actually bring on all three of those items your dog your carry-on and your personal item bring three bags on if your dog is an emotional support animal so if you're not so luckily for me i can't fly without my dog okay i get it i get it i think natasha has that deal too natasha leggero she has an emotional support dog yeah that's uh that's a gross loophole and you i applaud you for capitalizing on it it's a way to go unless you're sitting next to someone who's like i I'm going to need a moment. I need a moment. Yeah, man,

get your, collect your emotions. The dog's not even here to support you. How do you get through a podcast? I, I, I, I,

I, I pretend that the American werewolf in London was my dog back here. That's a good move. That's a good move. Yeah. You get like a dog by proxy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's weird. Isn't a weird thing that that was never around. We were kids. That's why I had. Yeah. You get like a dog by proxy. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Isn't it a weird thing? That was never around when we were kids. That's why I had to pull this out. Emotional support dog, because you're fucking weak. Your mind is weak. And you're fucked. You're fucked.

You can't even go to the fucking Starbucks without bringing your dog in with you. I think you're allowed to do that. I mean, I think that's part of it. Like, if you have the paperwork, you can go into places that aren't, you're not supposed to have it. There's a restaurant that I go to that one of those ladies used to be hot

back in the Disney, and now she used to be on that Desperate Housewives show. Now she's kind of getting up there in the years and getting a little wackier and wackier, I'm sure, as time goes on. She brings in a full-grown golden lab, this silly bitch. This dog is like sitting down where everybody's forks go.

It's dirty assholes touching the ground where people accidentally drop their spoon. It's such a big dog. It's so gross. There's like something about a little dog sitting in someone's lap at a restaurant that's like, it seems stupid, but maybe not so bad. But a lab, fucking 70 pound big ass dog laying on the ground. And this crazy bitch is putting everybody else, imposing her situation on everybody else. She knows it's nuts so do you think that people that go down that and i think actors do this that go down

that hardcore ketogenic diet that they cut all the carbs out of their diet sugars do you think it starts to if they do it long enough they start to get a little dingy it could happen definitely um you get the keto flu when you first start out yeah i got that that can push people over the top but you got to do it smart you can't work out too hard when you first start doing. Yeah, I got that for a minute. That can push people over the top. But you got to do it smart. You can't work out too hard when you first start doing it, and you got to take exogenous ketones. That's a big, big, that's helped me a tremendous amount. What the fuck did he just say to me? Exogenous ketones, ladies and gentlemen.

There's a bunch of different companies. The one I use is called Kegenix. They have a new one called Kegenix Prime. It's apparently even better. But what it is, it's's a bunch of amino acids and minerals and stuff that puts your body into a state of ketosis. Okay. And it allows you to like balance out. It's like, it's very good to balance out and gives you energy when you're sort of struggling

through that keto flu thing. And then eventually your body adapts. Your body gets used to burning fat. And then it just seems like it has more energy when you do that. But for it to really truly be effective, don't you have to kind of work out like two hours a day to really make it flip? No, no. You could definitely make it flip without working out that much. You don't have to work out that much.

Just your body has to realize, okay, carbs aren't coming in. We're going to need to burn fats, which has as a sort of a go-to way like we've been eating fats and people have been relying on fats forever it's not a negative thing like people have this idea that the brain relies only on but can you have any kind of carbs at all you have to get past a certain amount of time or like these are people who have just given that up forever no you can have some carbs your body has a certain amount of flexibility to like these are people who have just given that up forever? No, you can have some carbs. Your body has a certain amount of flexibility to it, but the way they've done it, well, here's a perfect example of how much biodiversity is where it comes to your body's ability to absorb carbohydrates and how it reacts.

Rob Wolf, who is a scientist and a big paleo researcher guy, he's got an interesting Instagram page and on his, I think it. He's got an interesting Instagram page. And on his, I think it's Das Rob Wolf is his Instagram. But what he does is he'll eat something and they'll have his wife eat something. And then they'll do these tests, you know, like blood tests to find out where their ketones are and whether or not they're in a ketogenic state. And his body is like way more fragile in terms of like it's getting knocked off of ketosis than his wife's body. His wife just rebounds better.

She has better genetics for it. So it's pretty, can they, you know, they obviously live together. They're eating the same foods. So it's, there's a lot of variables involved in how your body processes carbs. And it could, you know, it's like some people have celiac. Some people are gluten sensitive. Some people, you's like some people have celiac some people are gluten sensitive some people you know some people have no problem eating a big bowl of rice and they stay in ketosis and with some people that just knocks them right out of it and their body goes

right back to burning carbs it depends also on how strict you've been in the ketogenic diet and how long you've done it for but there's a lot of critics of that diet too there's a lot of people that cry bullshit on that i don't know if they're crying. I think some of the people that cry bullshit though, they don't really have much of a science background and they're just, they're just, they're also been shown a certain way. I combine three things. I tried to stick as close as I could to the ketogenic diet, but it probably wasn't a ketogenic diet. I was just basically making sure that I wasn't eating any sugar, any fruit, any carbs that I know of. I was eating within a 10-hour window.

So if I got up at 10 a.m. and I had anything to eat, I didn't eat anything after 8. And I was trying to work out, do something for an hour a day. Well, that's a great combination of mostly ketogenic or ketogenic and the fasting. What you're doing is intermittent fasting by going 14 hours every day without eating. That apparently is a really good protocol for losing weight. I've done it. I like it. I think it makes me feel good, too.

It puts your body in a good place. Your body gets accustomed to only eating for eight hours a day. And then the other hours, you just don't eat. Just normal. Sixteen hours, you're just no eating. That's a tough window for most people. It is, but...

Especially on the road, I'm having to eat after I perform, and it's like, oh, that means I can't eat until afternoon. I don't fuck with it on the road. On the road, the most important thing to me is nutrition, sleep, and recovery. Sleep. And exercise. I don't exercise when I'm on the road.

I get off because, you know, the flying and everything. I feel like your body needs to exert in order to release endorphins and sort of like. That's why as soon as I walked in the door here, I grabbed the kettlebell because I just haven't been able to do any of that stuff for a minute. And so I've been here, been in basically on my back for the last three days like got some weird stomach thing where I don't have a bad piece of baked brie or something and I was like knives on my stomach for two days I was a down three I don't know I mean cheese I'm blaming it on I was gonna blame it on you but wow I just got here though can't blame code code code for brie i'm gonna talk to baked brie

again today are you one of those raw cheese guys do you prefer the raw cheese um i like i like cheese i try not to eat a lot of it just because again anything that's too much of anything is too much so yeah i agree but what i found is that raw milk and raw cheese in particular both those things i seem to digest them way easier than i do the pasteurized and homogenized versions. Yeah, I mean, but how are you getting it? Are you getting it? Do they actually have that in the U.S.? Oh, yeah.

You can get raw cheese at Whole Foods. Okay. Yeah, they sell raw cheese. There's so many. Yeah, yeah, I can get the foreign. Yeah, but actually making cheese in the U.S. That's a good question. Is an awful hurdle. Is it's a good question it's an awful

hurdle like you know is it yeah because they want you to pasteurize everything like cheese in the u.s isn't nearly as wonderful and tasty as it is uh from overseas just because of all the process if you've actually had like raw stuff from a farm and go check it out dude i had burrata cheese in italy and i was like how do I get this home? You don't. You moved to Italy. Dude, don't. Could you even take burrata on an airplane? Would they let you?

They might not, right? Smuggle it. Well, I had a friend who was French, and he came over from- You're picturing it right now, right? A little balloon. I had a friend who was French, and he came over from France, and he had to hide his cheese because he had raw cheese. He had to hide it in his luggage

So you had to like fold it up inside his pants like these bricks of wheels of cheese He had to like put his pants on stuff it in his luggage to hide cheese. They make it back in cheese made it back in Yeah, he was his name in his address. I don't can't tell you can tell you actually moved back to France He's like fuck this place, but when he here, they used to make this raw cheese and like charcuterie plate. They would like cook raw cheese and melt it on like the different smoked meats. And oh, I forget the name of it, the name of the dish, but it was sensational. And they would eat it with like sauerkraut. The art of eating.

Yeah. The art of eating and food.. Oh, the art of eating. Yeah. The art of eating and food. It's a real art, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think the trick when you get into that, you start getting into that gluttonous activity with your world, it's the moderation part because you get caught up in like more is better

and cramming it in and just being able to slow down and actually enjoy those experiences without just. Without going full blown Gerard Depardieu. If you put like a plate of prosciutto in front of me, I'm fucked for a week because I'll eat all of it. I will too. Yeah. I eat that stuff a lot because it's healthy. It's like if you get like real good, naturally cured, you get a lot of healthy fats from it.

It's a great way to get a little package of protein. You can just open it up and dig in there. It's a good ketogenic snack. I did that one. Yeah. I always recommend Mark Sisson's book, The Primal Blueprint. And he's the guy, though, that came on the podcast, and apparently he's incorrect about some wine stuff. And I always wanted you to talk. Oh what did he say he's saying talking about chemicals

that are in wine and he made some mistakes right well i think there's a lot of misconceptions about winemaking uh commercial large-scale winemaking i've seen a lot of things happen in cellars large-scale cellars that are not cutting corners it's just a lot of things that they have to do but there's this idea that there's all these things that we're adding to our to our wines right they give you headaches and fuck you up yeah so you know in our vineyard we do have copper sprays and things that are kind of uh we're avoiding uh frost or we're avoiding bunch rot copper sprays yeah um it's yeah it's a long story um but you know just it's organic stuff we're trying to do to act so it's actual copper uh i'm not sure if it's actual copper or not i would imagine it's no huh i don't know okay i don't know the answer to that so but

that's just you know there's some things you're doing in the in the vineyard that are kind of like uh organic practices that are acceptable. But one of the things, when the fruit actually gets to the winery, I'm inoculating it with a packaged yeast. So something that might be an isolated strain from Barolo or from Tuscany. from Barolo or from Tuscany. But other than that, at the end of the process, we'll add KMS, an SO2 solution, to stabilize the wine and keep it bottled so it's safe in the bottle.

What does KMS stand for? Sulfur. We're adding sulfites to the wine. But wine itself actually produces those byproducts. We're just escalating it to make sure that this wine can make it on a truck to New Jersey or to whatever. And they blow off. They go away. But that's it. That's all we're putting in.

Yeah, it basically just kind of preserves it. And some places that are paranoid about where that wine is going and how long it's going to be sitting in a truck and maybe it's not going to be refrigerated they're probably adding a little bit too much and there's some places that are actually adding you know other weird stuff you know enzymes and stuff into their wines and in the process but in my cellar it's basically it's the yeast holes it's the it's the yeast and at the end it's so too we're not doing any other weird additives. So the idea that there's like all these chemicals and all these extra things that we're jamming into our wines is ridiculous. So it's just a misconception. I think so. Yeah.

I mean, but are there any wine companies that do that? Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff people are adding, you know, they're adding,

uh, what they call mega purple. They're adding like tannins and they're adding color. What is, oh, some mega purple. They're adding like weird nutrientsins and they're adding color. What is, oh, some mega purple. They're adding like weird nutrients on this end and we're adding, you know, weird nutrients on that end and some nitrogen on this end. They're, you know,

they're adding a lot of extra stuff in the process that, you know, I don't do because we're doing very small batches of things. I mean, they don't have to alert people what they're putting in either. I mean, it's just wine. You get a bottle of wine, you assume it's just wine. Yeah. Um, and I think that's changing. I think the FDA is threatening to stick their nose into, uh, into wineries now, which is a pain in the ass. Yeah. They want to know where everything's coming from and going to, and it's like, really all the shit that's going on, you can deal with that. The government is going to fix the wine. Yeah. We're going to come in.

Yeah. Hey, Pussifer, what do you think you're doing with your wine? Just what they've been doing for the last 3,000 years. They were adding husks back then? Really? Did they even know what husks were? Yeah, so when you're adding this stuff to the wine and you say that it burns off, like you're adding sulfites or sulfates? Sulfur.

Sulfur. You're adding sulfur just as a preservative. And it burns off. Is there an ideal? It blows off, I should say. Okay. When you bottle a wine, is there an ideal time after you bottle that wine where it should be consumed? after you bottle that wine where it should be consumed?

I mean, you can bottle it the minute, you can open it the minute it's bottled if you want to open it up right away. But is there a, where, like, does the, like, when we drank that wine from, like, 1924 or whatever the fuck it was, is that good? Or is that different? I mean, it's like, if you have a wine that comes out. This is a long conversation.

But, you know you know wines in theory there's places that that just the natural structure of that place the the ph the acid balances of those places and depending on how well or not well the winemaker got out of the way to make sure that that when that wine made it into bottle it was proper uh the the storage of it the the cork how that how that went there's so many so many so many variables but when you're talking about the track record of a particular site and a producer um there are you know there are wines that you just expect if i'm going to buy this la tour i'm going to buy this fine burgundy you expect that that wine has been held to a standard for a long period of time, like all, you know, throughout, you know, decades, millennia.

They have been consistent. So you expect that I should be able to lay this wine down for 50 years and it should be okay. It'll be different in 50 years, provided none of those other variables, like somebody didn't pull it out and leave it on the counter in the sun for a week and then put it back in the cellar, and 50 years later you open it and it's crap. Right. That's all it would take, huh? Yeah. Is it heat or sun itself?

It could be cold. It could be something that gets too cold. It gets too dry. The cork dries out. It leaks. Oxygen gets in. Heat is your enemy. Cold is oxygen gets in uh heat is your enemy cold is your enemy oxygen is your enemy so as long as it's treated correctly it could last a

long time and it'll just change and be different it'll evolve over time and it will there's definitely an arc to it there's like there's definitely like okay that that particular wine was ready to there's a peak that's they should have drank it right then how do you know do you know from reading like articles or again it's it's you know it's some that's why i buy some guys buy a case or two cases of a wine that they know they're gonna like and they're trying them over time and they're figuring it out and then they'll have that wine and they'll go, hey, guys, I just had the 10th bottle of wine from those 24 bottles. And it's starting to go over the hill. So there's a little forum or somebody calling each other back and forth going, hey, I think this particular wine has seen its best day. And they'll get back online and somebody will go, no, mine's fine.

There'll be arguments about that. But generally speaking, it's that communication of guys saying that's interesting So it requires like a community of knowledgeable people to come. Yeah, yeah communicate about it Yeah I have a buddy of mine is a fucking total wine not invited me to his birthday party and it was a wine tasting birthday Party and they were all sitting around like and they would judge the wine afterwards He says yeah, it's very oaky There's hints of tannin and I'm like what in the fuck are you guys take and one of them that they didn't like they're like This one's corked. I think this one's corked. It was like this one's my favorite. Yeah, I really like this one

You tell me it's bad. It's as bad like how's it bad? Like how do you know it's bad? Like it seems like it's bad? It's this bad? Like, how's it bad? Like, how do you know it's bad? Like, it seems like it's corked. Like, does that drive you crazy? Drives me crazy, yeah. Hmm. So there's like a level of pretentiousness that's acceptable. Yeah. Again, everybody wants to, everybody's trying to find their way in life and trying to find

what makes them better than or different than or separates them or elevates them. His palate's amazing. His palate is incredible. He's going to be able to tell. When he tastes it and he gets some fat ass Orson Welles dude sitting there. Um, yeah. If, you know, after a couple of glasses, if that thing's not really corked, I'm drinking it. Yeah.

Right. Especially after a couple of glasses. Yeah. In the olden days, they used to drink wine because water would go bad, right? Yeah, well, the, well... Still water, sit around, bacteria growth. Still water, but also, you know, if you have in this situation where you have, like, you know, like New Orleans, complete devastation of the water table. There's, like like decomposing bodies everywhere

and you can't drink the groundwater. You can't trust what's coming out of your well. Fermented juice is what you would drink because it's safe because it's gone through a fermentation process, a process of purification, just like vodka, the water of life. It's the water that doesn't freeze.

So you can go through the tundra. If you try to eat snow, you're going to freeze to death. If you try to like, you know it's the water that doesn't freeze so you can go through the tundra if you try to eat snow you're going to freeze to death if you try to like you know melt the snow you're building if you do have a fire but the actual water of vodka doesn't freeze and you can actually survive you have to have water while you're walking through this frozen tundra and you get the benefit of being drunk all the time drunk as fuck in a snowbank yeah like vikings they had a big ass leather sack full of wine. They were always hammered. Yeah. No wonder why they had such ridiculous behavior.

Yeah. They were drunk all the time, right? Yeah. Eating mushrooms and drinking. Yeah. Mead. Yeah. That's wine, or that's beer that's made out of honey.

Yeah. Yeah. Honey, wine, beer. Yeah, honey's a weird preservative, right? Because it doesn't go bad, ever. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, you could take things in honey, you stuff wine, beer. Yeah, honey's a weird preservative, right? Because it doesn't go bad, ever. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, you could take things in honey, you stuff them in honey, and they just stay good. They think that's one of the things that led to...

Like my iPhone 5. Does it work good on honey? What do you mean? It's still preserved. It doesn't look any different. You still use an iPhone 5? You one of those guys? No, this is an iPhone 6.

I'm just kidding, man. But you have a you have a a port for the headphones headphone port is that where you stop changing yeah

that's where we draw the line I draw the line on the headphone port a lot of people do like that's where I draw the line but uh so mead

like I'd read something where they were speculating that one of the conversions from mushroom culture to mead culture, they think that we used to be like the intoxicants were primarily psychedelic,

and then they went to alcohol at some point in human history, and that that might have coincided with people trying to preserve mushrooms in honey, and that they produced some sort of a honey mushroom. Chemical reaction yeah the honey actually fermented yeah and then people started drinking mead and then mead culture changed the way people alcohol culture which is like a regressive you know loose losing inhibitions wild culture is there any movement to bring back those leather wine sacks you know those what are those things called those things that the um i want to know the v sacks, you know, those, what are those things called? Those things that the,

um, I want to know. The Vikings had, you know, those, yeah. Carry them around. Those leather sacks.

A bladder. Yeah. Um, the wine bladder. Um, any benefit to drinking you one? It just looks good. I think I need you to roll into Augustine wine bar with a fucking bladder and a,

and a fucking horned helmet. Right. Drink your ale from one of those big-ass bullhorn things. Do they, I mean, does anybody serve wine out of, like, a leather thing? I would feel like that's, like, the next Mumford & Sons type thing to do. Well, they do growlers. So if you walk into a beer bar, I think they allow you to bring in, if it's measured out, what that volume is.

And you can refill your growler with beer. Right. I think some places do the same with wine. The big issue is labeling. So, like, you know, the TTP gets all weird and the liquor department gets all weird because, like, well, the bottle has all the labeling on it that I need to make sure that you're, are you pregnant? Right. There's a warning on here about that um so if you're just coming in and filling your growler with wine i think the assumption is that at some point you you know violate the law yeah i don't

know or not i don't know it seems kind of weird to me yeah just fill up just let the guy fill up his thing have you ever thought about experimenting with like a leather bladder for your wine to see if it influences the taste? We did one for, uh, not a leather one, but did like a plastic one for, um, uh, we do a wine garden. What do you got there? That's the, that's the bladder on the range. Yeah. The rock on the range. We did it at, um, uh, uh, aftershock. We had like a wine, a Caduceus American wine booth we did one down in Florida for a couple of festivals

and does it affect the taste at all being in that yeah I mean well you're in the middle of a field with a bunch of shitty bands playing

it's gonna taste different you know it's just it's hot and you're annoyed so yeah it's gonna taste

different you're gonna drink it cause you're annoyed and you're right do you have recommended temperatures that your wine should be stored or served at? Yeah, I mean just normal cellaring.

It'd be nice if you could put it at like 50 degrees in your wine cellar. Good spot for it, 45 degrees. That's what you want? But you don't want to put it in your fridge because it's going to get too cold. It will? Yeah. If you're going to drink it fairly right away, if you go to the store

and you're going to get a bottle of wine, you want to cram it in the fridge for the day to open it up that night, that's fine. But if you store your wine in the fridge, that's a little too cold to be storing it. I've done that before. It's better than leaving it out on top of your fridge where it's going to get baked.

So it's kind of like way out your options. So if your house is 70 degrees, you shouldn't just leave it in your house? You can as long as it's going to maintain 70. It's like when you go to a supermarket though and they have those like... It's all sitting there, isn't it? Yeah, they're not doing anything about that.

Why are you buying wine at a supermarket? I don't know where else to buy it. Where should I go? A nice wine shop that's going to... It's so pretentious. It's like going to one of those cigar bars, dealing with those guys. Same thing. It is. I agree.

It's from Nicaragua. Smell this cigar. It's from Nicaragua. Well, this producer uses a lot of natural fermentation, and they definitely do it with their feet and blah, blah, blah. Dorks. Baseball card dorks. same person yeah they're just going after wine instead of baseball cards can i just have the fucking wine give me give me a negra medela and a lime and a bag of chips we're good medela that's a good one good what do you a bag of lime and chips a little

lime a little lime juice and then you know bag of chips oh yeah and a maduro like a dark cigar all right for the snack let's do this okay get yourself some chicharrones what is that uh pork rinds oh okay oh pork rinds i like them at a gas station a little bit a little bit of uh sour cream and a little bit of Valentino hot sauce on that. You got cold, you got heat, you got crunch, you got salt, you got sweet from the cream. Now, are you one of those guys that will not drink a red wine with fish? I'll drink. I don't.

Yeah. I don't abide by those rules. I've had red wines that go with all things and white wines that go and rosaries that go with all things i'll try all of them but if the if if the experience isn't working right i'll shift gears but i won't be afraid of i won't i won't be afraid i won't go with a set rule going in there used to be a hard fast rule right was it yeah kind of yeah in general i think it's more it's just more it's just more something to talk about at the grocery store. So it's like a fetish.

I'm having this for dinner. What should I have? Hmm, I think a red wine. Like a pairing. A good pairing. A pair of these. Some restaurants have a pairing with each selection. And very rarely do you have a white wine with a bloody steak.

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