The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - April 11, 2015 (Part 1)

Episode Date: April 11, 2015

Joe is joined by Eddie Bravo & Brendan Schaub to watch the fights on April 11, 2015.

We are about to watch, we're watching UFC Fight Pass. We're watching it on my computer, so I can't pull up who is fighting, but this is a lady fighter. A lady. There's so many fighters in the UFC now, even the employees of the UFC don't know who the fuck is who. It's tough. It's getting crazy. There's 500 signed fighters. That far surpasses the Dunbar's number of 150. That's tough. Especially when it's international like this. In Poland, it's tough, man.

Remember back in the day when someone would try to get away with saying that they're a UFC fighter, and you'd say, fuck you. Now, shit, you'd have to do some research. Yeah, you can't just say, fuck you. You gotta go, oh, okay. You might be like, yeah, he might be. He might be.

And then you find out, oh, this dude, yeah, he fought. This dude's 6-0. I mean, even like really good fighters. Like, how many people didn't know about Brendan Thatch until he fought Benson? Yeah. Thatch is fucking legit. He's been a nightmare. His name sounded familiar.

I was like, Thatch, okay. Dude, that guy's legit. He's been a nightmare forever. His name sounded familiar. I was like, Thatch, okay. Dude, that guy's legit. He's big in Denver. He's big. He's fucking good. Oh, that's your boy. That's right. Calderwood and Morose.

Is that her name? Morose? I don't know how to say it. There's a lot of fighters from other countries now, too, man. That's one of the cool things that we're seeing. Jamie, give us a little volume so we can hear this, too, so we can hear the fights. No one's told us to not do that, so let's just keep doing that. And I got to take this fucking goofy lava lamp down. I can't see shit. It's a mixed martial arts star, Joe A. Calderon,

is a former Rotary Fighter 20 contestant and former international Thai boxing champion. Boom, boom, boom. We're back. Is Hardy doing the commentating on this? It doesn't sound like Hardy. Well, that's a play-by-play guy. But I didn't hear him earlier. Did you hear him? I haven't heard him. Jamie, we lost it. What happened?

What the fuck happened? Come on't heard him. Jamie, we lost it. What happened? Hmm. What the fuck happened? Come on, Fight Path. Oh no. Uh... We're fucked. Hmm. Let me try this again. Well...

Um, take this off. Because otherwise... Take this off Because otherwise Take this off my desktop What are people seeing right now? Just us? Okay Damn Look at that picture Sucked if you're Anderson Silva

I know That was one of the greatest knockouts of all time He could say no You think? When he missed Yeah not because it was like Most surprising Perfectly set up

It was just crazy Like as far as like The result of a knockout like the jolted sends through your body yeah when Weidman connected on Anderson it was like one of the greatest moments like not great like I'm happy Anderson got knocked out or none of that just like the burst of what the fuck is more is more like when Buster Douglas knocked out Tyson but crazier because it came out of nowhere like Buster Douglas was whooping that when Buster Douglas knocked out Tyson. But crazier, because it came out of nowhere.

Like, Buster Douglas was whooping that ass. Buster Douglas was hitting him with that long jab hook. It's true. Pop, whap. He was hitting him with that pop, whap, that Larry Holmes-style jab and the hook behind it. That was Buster Douglas' finest moment. I just saw that fight again within the last six months, and god damn, even though Buster Douglas looked amazing, he looked flawless, he was on fire, but even

and Tyson didn't train for it or whatever, but if you look at Tyson, even though he didn't train, he looked good. He looked good in that fight. His head movement was there, he was throwing big shots, he was really trying to knock out Buster Douglas with everything he had. He was throwing great shit

and he did drop him in the eighth round. He finally dropped him. Did you hear Tyson speaking before that? He was saying how he was just doing work on those. Where was it? Tokyo? Is that right? Yeah. He was just doing work on some Asian ladies. He talked about that? Oh yeah. Doing work.

Really? Oh yeah. All hours. Ten? More than ten? You're Mike Tyson. He probably never took Doing work. Really? Oh, yeah. Like, what's work? All hours. Ten? More than ten? You're Mike Tyson. He probably never took time off. All right, here we go. Perfect timing. We're back.

Fight pass. How dare you kick me off like that? It looks like an Atari game. I work for you fucking guys. How dare you? How dare you? I wonder how many half Mike Tyson kids there are in Japan. Probably 70.

Okay, we got Joanne Calderwood and Myrna Moroz. Here we go. We're going to hear it. Damn, that bitch looks mean. And I mean that. Five and O. Five foot tall. Oh no, that's five and O.

Five and O, my man. I'm like, shit! And I say bitch with all due respect. Damn, Scotland does not play games. I bet this chick is tough as fuck. Yeah, she is good. Joanne's about to whoop that ass. She does look like she's paralyzed right there.

She looks terrified. No, no, she looks terrified. That's the Carla Esparza effect, right? It's not real? I don't know. Because Carla just does this. And then she goes out there and whoops ass. Not that last fight, but yeah.

Not that last fight. That last fight, the striking was so outmatched. I think that chick is going to make, what was her name, Joanna? There she is. She's the Ronda Rousey at 115. She's going to make everybody look like Carla. I bet they all look like Carla. They're all going to look lost.

They're not going to be able to take her down. They're not going to be able to take her down. If Carla can't take her down, most fighters in that division are not going to be able to take her down. Well, did you see her fight with Amanda Nunez? It was a very close fight, and a lot of people actually thought that Nunez won the fight. I think it was Nunez, right? Was it Nunez?

I'm wrong, man. She's a beast, though, man. Oh, dude, she is wicked, man. You see her weigh-in pic? She looked like that rafter. She is intense, man. I would Google her, but I don't know how to say her name on Google. I don't either. I couldn't even spell it if you gave me a million dollars right now.

I'm going to try. Yoana. Man, Joanne got good striking. She throws with some power. I just tried J-Y-Z. Yoana, J-Y-Z. And let's see if they figure it out. Dude, isn't it weird?

I can't do this while I'm on my computer. Girls fight like dudes. I'm still not used to it. How long did we think that girls couldn't throw punches? We just- we believe that as a society. True. Girls can't throw punches. But then you look at Kathy Long, holy shit, have you seen her highlight reel?

No. She's the best American female kickboxer in the 80s and 90s. Holy shit. Old school. Went old school with it. YouTube search Kathy Long highlight reel. Have you seen Holly Holm? Holy shit.

You've seen Holly Holm's highlights there? You know what? All that can stand down for a moment. Have you guys seen Ann motherfucking Wolfe? No. What's that? Okay, we should stop watching this fight immediately and watch how Ann Wolf used to knock chicks out.

Look at that arm bar. Nice, beautiful arm bar. Wow. Beautiful arm bar. Damn. Damn, that was beautiful. Little Ukrainian. Ukrainian in the house. She's a huge underdog, man. That was beautiful. Huge underdog. I gotta see how that was all set up. We were talking about Mike Tyson. They'll show the replay for set up We were talking about Mike Tyson

They'll show the replay for sure We were talking about just Girls whooping ass Kathy Long No we were just talking about Ann Wolf Let's see this She pulled guard Damn pulled guard

Wow that's beautiful I'm not mad at Joanne's haircut Look at this Nice control She pulled guard right into an armbar Look at that She just can't get out of that guard wow that's not a joy in his haircut look at this nice control guard right into an arm bar look at that she just can't get out of that that's what's crazy control with their legs yeah great control leg curls look at those leg curls damn shit that is legit you know daddy there's still people that say that you shouldn't cross your feet and I don't I don't agree with that the

crossing your feet with the arm bar thing, that's like people are pretending. Some people pretend it's just like crossing the feet when you have someone's back. Well, it all depends. If the guy's on their back and you're in spider web, if they're on their back, yeah, you cross your feet all the time. But if they're on top of you, it all depends on what's going on. The angle. I mean, what's going on with the arm exactly?

And what's going on with the locking of the shoulder? What angle? Where is she putting all her weight? Watch this. This is Ann Wolf. She's the American? She's the black chick. Oh.

Check this. Because that American chick has some dope ass trauma. Just wait for some trauma. Wait for some shit that's going to change your feeling about what would happen if a chick punched you. You just got to see this fucking KO. I think you'd be surprised. Hold up. Look at this.

Boom! Oh, shit. Dude, are you fucking shitting me? Are you fucking shitting me? Did she hit hard? Dude, she lifted her in the air. That was ridiculous. That girl went flying.

God, Doug. That girl, like, literally went flying. And Wolfgang, bang. And she trains James Kirkland, who's a high-level guy. Oh, you know, I've seen her corner, yeah. Yeah. She's intense corner. Let's see what she says.

Okay. Yeah. I bet she does. Great speech. Powerful Dan Hardy. Oh, I like Dan Hardy, man. Love that dude. Great guy. The best.

He's good on the mic, too. He's very good. Smart dude. He's very smart. Damn, her. He's very good. Smart dude. He's very smart. Damn, her walkout gear just says fight night. Just fuck it, fight night. Is that Reebok? I don't know what that is.

There has to be a better campaign than that. It says Reebok. Fight night? There has to be something better. Is that what they're calling it? I hope not. That better not be what they want people to buy. I'm not wearing that.

I'm going to fucking throw on a big brown on the back. Maybe it's, oh, you know what it probably is? It's probably what they're wearing on fight night. Like, that's why, does that make sense? I should probably ask somebody since I work for them. Hold on. Wow, that's beautiful. Look at the control she has with her hands.

Boom. No capitalization, a small gap before the closure She didn't capitalize on that was the one little split up and extend for sure don't stand up and extend the yeah She hung out in there. She should have squashed her Yeah, she hung out in there when there was this one brief moment when she gonna pull their arm out. Yeah And she said look at her shit. Damn. How do you say Joanna's last name? Jura Dixie? Look at... Young Jitchick.

They're laughing at each other. They can't talk shit. Look, they're laughing. Well, they know that that's where the money's at now. Isn't that crazy? Fuck you, bitch. Damn, powerful collared white shirt. Beautiful.

I think when you become champ, they should have a stylist for you right away. You can't dress like an asshole anymore. What about Roy Nelson? If Roy Nelson became champ and decided to wear... Oh, that mullet? See ya. No way! See ya. No way, you can't do that.

GQ Roy Nelson would be sick. Oh, you're so wrong. I think for women's MMA, they should be allowed to pull hair. And that'd be part of the game. Oh, my God. That's too much, man. That's so dark, Eddie. That's so dark.

How cool would that be? That's so dark. Come on. How cool would that be? Fuck, that's too much, man. Not cool. Not cool at all. Why?

Because have you ever seen those girls' feet? Can you imagine the technique? Horrible. Dude, there'd be all these different chokes you could do with the hair. That's a good point. Dude, I hear you, man. But this bugs me. Here's Jen Jacek taking out a sparset. Dude, she's so lethal on the hair. That's a good point. I hear you, man, but this bugs me. Here's Jenjacek taking out a spar.

Dude, she's so lethal on the feet. That's some real, legit, six-time world Muay Thai champion right there. Look at that beautiful elbow. This is a goddamn firing gallery. It's like she was just having sparring practice with pads that don't hit back.

This is what it's like. She was hitting the mitts with some light defense work. Right. God damn, she's good. Dude, the technique that you see there. Like, that is as clean as it gets when it comes to striking in MMA. She has no fear. That's a scary girlfriend to have right there.

She could fuck you up. If you're not on your shit, if you slip and you're kind of drunk, she'll fuck you up. I'll tell you what, though. No girlfriend of mine is walking out of the house with that business polo on. What the fuck? Brendan, if you guys were in a real fight, you'd win if she was your girlfriend. I would snap her down to her. No, no, you would.

You would fuck her up. But if you're kind of drunk, you're in your underwear, one, the light's dim, she'll rattle off a combination, she'll fuck you up. That's the thing, though. I think a girl like that needs a boyfriend like him. She needs a giant gorilla that she can't just kick in the head.

Or a multi-billionaire dude who's like a little old man that she beats up and he loves it. She only rides him. You fucking little man. I keep your life alive. He pays to have her beat him up.

Dude, a woman like that, that takes a lot of man. You need an alpha male or you need the complete opposite. Crow cop, right? Yeah, crow cop would work. She's not hot enough for crow cop, let's be honest. Well, how dare you? How dare you?

I think she's beautiful. Oh, I'm sorry. I think she's beautiful. She's beautiful. For a crow cop, though? This motherfucker runs Croatia. Can you imagine the damage he's doing? Jesus Christ.

Listen, he's married. He's got a family. How dare you? Before that, though. When he was single. I've tried to Google this woman's name. I've never had a harder time Googling, he's married. He's got a family. Before that, though. I'm trying to Google this woman's name. I've never had a harder time Googling a woman's name. I know. Talking about Jadica.

I basically know how to say it. But to spell it, I really need to learn how to spell it. It's preposterous that they require that of you, though, I think. Yeah, I know, man. I'm trying to figure out. Click on it and see. What was her last fight? Go to her Wikipedia.

Before Carla Esparza. I want to say it was Nunez, but I'm doing this totally off of memory. And I might. Oh, that's who it was. That's who it was. It was Claudia Gadelha. Okay, my apologies to Amanda Nunez. Those women names are tough.

Because Amanda Nunez, I think, is a 135. Boy, those women names are tough. Because Amanda Nunes, I think, is a 135. Yeah, she is. She is. Can we see the Kathy Long highlight reel on that? Is that possible? That Klaja-Gadalia fight, that was a really fucking close fight. A really close fight. Sometimes it's matchups, man.

Styles. That's what I'm saying. She's going to be champ for a while. Well, Klaja is very good, dude. Yeah. She's very good. I mean, that was a really good fight between those two. I think there's a lot of action in this division.

I really think that Johanna, that's what you said, is above and beyond the rest of them when it comes to striking. But there's some really good grapplers in that division. And if they get a hold of her, who the fuck knows what happens. But if Carla can't take her down, that means every fighter's going to have a hard time. It's true. No one's going to take her down easily. But a striker with really good wrestling

might be able to pull it off. The problem with Carla was that the gap in the striking was so goddamn enormous. And the length, the reach was trouble. It's just an enormous gap in the striking. But she still did get inside, and she got deep, and that's beyond the striking. Yep, it's true. And she couldn't finish it.

It's true. She could have gotten tagged before that, though. She definitely did. She could have been diminished by that. There's a lot of possibilities there. If you saw the two of them, I would have to go back and watch it again. But if you watch, anytime you see someone get tagged, you know, there's a possibility

that they're functioning in a diminished capacity, right? Hell yeah. That's what people need to like. Brown fight. Exactly. Explain from your opinion. Jiu-Jitsu guy to fucking two-stripe white belt. I think he went back, mount, just, and I had no idea what was going on. Yeah.

I thought I was fine. Which is weird. when you think about how good your honest hands are Yeah, she could have easily clipped Carla coming in sure and then your your your memories You know your mortgage skills are slow you you think you're moving at a good pace. You're really not It's just distance is there's a haze the distance you seem likeze. The distance, you seem like you're all right. You're really not. Everything's slow. It's trouble, man. God damn, dude. You have to have some killer focus, not dazed.

Want to be a fighter, huh? God damn, dude. Did you see the Jamie Varner shit? The interviews Jamie Varner's been doing lately? No. What's he talking about? Very interesting. He's talking about how he thinks fighters should spar way less than they do.

He's like, what you need to be doing is working on drills, hitting pads, working out on strength and conditioning, you know, do your wrestling, your jiu-jitsu. But he's like, hardcore sparring should be done once a week at most and only when you're preparing for a fight. I agree 100%. He said maybe you could even stretch it out to even more than once a week, like once every two weeks. He's like, what's really important is that you take care of your brain and you make sure you don't spar with bigger guys. He was saying that he made mistakes by sparring with, he's sparring with, who was it?

He's with Bader and those guys? He's with Bader. I know he sparred with Bader. I think he sparred with Baczynski, who's a little bit larger than him, too. Yeah, all those guys are big. CB Dalloway, he's larger than him, too. And Bader's I know he sparred with Bader. I think he sparred with Baczynski, who's a little bit larger than him, too. Yeah, all those guys are big. CB Dalloway, he's larger than him, too. And Bader's big, dude. He's a big boy.

Bader's a thick dude. Big, thick motherfucker who throws haymakers. He's a hard puncher. I agree 100% with Jamie. Jamie Varner's a 155-er, and he's fighting a guy that literally fights in a division 50 pounds heavier than him. Yeah, man. And he's sparring with that guy. I mean, that's pretty crazy.

Bader's a 205. That's bananas. You think we'll ever see Bader striking like Conor McGregor? Well, you know what I mean? What I mean by that is by just utilizing every possible strike. He would have to change a lot about the way he moves. You know, I think Bader has gotten a lot better in his striking, no doubt. The Feijiao fight is a perfect example of that.

Feijiao is a legit striker. If you watch his fight with King Mo and Strikeforce, you see what kind of striking Feijiao has when he's on point. Even Bader Glover's, he showed good striking. He clipped him with the right hand. Yes, he did. Glover's a monster at striking. He hurt him before he got caught when he was trying to close the deal um that's totally true he's really good he's getting much

better too he works hard you can totally tell you see that uh there's a video going around like a highlight of uh capoeira mma have you seen this no no they're doing spinning cakes and dude it's it i don't know if it's fake it looks real it It looks real some capoeira is just like wheel kicks So what you would the super athlete capoeira guys against capoeira guys, and that's what they're throwing. They're just doing massive Double spinning wheel kicks are doing all that shit and jiu-jitsu They go on the ground and choke each other out What I was gonna say about Ryan Bader in that like when you're saying do you think you'll ever have like a full arsenal is? The way moves there's something wrong with the way like we think're saying, do you think you'll ever have like a full arsenal, is the way he moves. There's something wrong with the way

like... You think wrong. See, I don't think wrong is the right word. Not wrong. I don't think it's in his wheelhouse. For kicking. I mean, for kicking. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, not even wrong with the way he moves, because obviously the way he moves is effective, but it's almost like his legs, like he keeps them close together.

If you watch like a Machida, or you watch like a Brandon Thatch, that real strong traditional karate type background, which is the one that allows you to get away with everything. Thatch is a karate type guy? Yeah. He throws a lot of wheel kicks. He can throw everything.

Throw everything. That's what I'm talking about. He's like Anthony Pettis at one second. You would have to have a wider stance. So it's not that there's something wrong with it. There's something wrong if you wanted to throw all those kicks and all that other crazy shit. You look at Anderson,

there's a wider stance going on. If you look at Ta You look at Anderson, there's a wider stance going on. If you look at Taekwondo guys, there's a wide stance going on. I think that's the only way you get to throw those kicks. Like with Muay Thai, you can stand way closer. Because with Muay Thai, you're throwing round kicks mostly and occasionally teeps. But when you want to go off that back leg with anything where you're spinning, you want to have a little bit more space. And I think if he wanted to have like Conor McGregor style,

he would probably have to stand like McGregor yeah you see how McGregor stand and it's very wide stance super what you think would you think it's a good idea for every guy getting into MMA to try to emulate some style like that but the Christ how works though man if you get good at it that it's when it's hard to hit a guy like if you ever watched a good point fighter fight like Raymond Daniels? You've seen Raymond Daniels fight in Glory? Yes. Only the super high level guys have been able to get past that.

Like the guys like Niki Holtzkin, he's the guy who gets past it. Think about Wonderboy. He's tough to hit, man, in the UFC. He's a phenomenal point scorer. Joseph Valdolini, he's a perfect example of a guy who gets past Raymond Daniels. And he's the champ because he just kicked his legs out from under him.

He just used traditional solid Muay Thai, hands up, kickboxing style, block, threw a lot of fucking leg kicks, took him out, and then took him out with a head kick. But everybody else, when Daniels fights a guy who can't deal with that kind of hopping in and out shit, it's lethal. It's lethal. kind of hopping in and out shit, it's lethal. It's lethal. So to have a guy like a Conor McGregor style or like a guy like Liotto or Thatch, a guy who throws those wild kicks, if Bader wanted to do that,

he would definitely have to widen his stance. I don't think Bader's ever going to do that. I also think the style you're describing and those guys, Thatch, Conor, Machida, they're phenomenal athletes. Phenomenal. And that might not be in Bader's wheelhouse. You don't think Bader's a phenomenal athlete?

Compared to Machida? I don't think he's as skilled in karate or in stand-up as Machida is. I mean, Machida's a sly, professional, high-level fighter. Explosive, quick, endurance. Yeah, well, Machida's pretty special. He's pretty special. Fuck yeah, he's special. All those guys that we talked about,

sometimes I think certain styles aren't in guys' wheels. Does that make sense? Like, Bob Sapp isn't going to fucking adapt to the taekwondo. Ever. It's true. Ever. Yeah, well, there's just certain guys that are made for it. There's just too much mass there, right?

Well, Bader's a massive dude. He can do it. But he could do it because Fajal can do those kind of kicks. Fajal can throw wheel kicks. He's a thick fucking dude, too. Melvin Manhoof. Who's thicker than that fucking guy? He's explosive and athletic.

But you know what? Melvin you don't see throw wheel kicks, either. You see him mostly with straight Muay Thai. All straight Muay Thai. Leg kicks like a motherfucker. Who the fuck is? It's different, man. Some guys just don't like throwing them.

That's true, too. I agree. Some guys don't. Because they're no good at them because they don't practice them. Well, I'm a victim of that. I'm just saying certain guys, like a guy like Bader who comes from a wrestling background, the chances of him adapting, that's not good. And you have to have the athletic ability to pick it up.

Well, I don't think Conor came from that background entirely. I think he's kind of picked that kicking style up more. I think he started more as a boxer. Boxer, yeah. But also taekwondo, karate. Right. He spends a lot of time with a homie in Iceland, Gunnar Nelson. You know Machida?

Wicked. Wicked. Wicked. You know Machida single-handedly? Everything great. Brought back karate. I mean, Machida, you can't say shit about karate. Look at Machida.

You can't say shit about karate. You can't say shit. Look at Machida. You know what, man? This is what I believe. But eventually we're going to have a capoeira guy in there. Machida's the exception. say shit about karate. Look at Machida. You can't say shit about karate. You can't say shit. You know what, man? This is what I believe. But eventually we're going to have a capoeira guy in there. Machida's the exception. Oh, yeah, for sure. There's going to be a guy in the UFC who comes out and is throwing all them crazy capoeira kicks.

Cesar Mutante is a capoeira guy. How come that hasn't happened already? No, it has, though. Cesar Mutante is a capoeira guy. Yeah, but he's not going out there and throwing it. That's his background. That's his background. He really did start off with that.

Beast. He's a beast. Super good athlete. There's a lot of guys who've trained in capoeira who've done the UFC, I'm sure, but who actually go out there and stand like those capoeira guys and move like that. That would throw a guy off. What do you guys think about Daniel Cormier and Bader? I would have to go with Cormier.

That's going to be a great fight, man. That's going to be a great fight man That's going to be a great fight I love Beta I love DC, DC helps me out a lot They're both really good dudes They're good for the sport man That's a good way of describing it DC's from New Orleans

It's in his hometown You look at DC's track record There's not too many dudes beating him There's one guy on this earth who can beat him It's in his hometown dude you look at DC's track record. There's not too many dudes beating them There's one guy on this earth who can beat him. It's John Jones. I don't think he will ever beat John Jones Yo, how good is John Jones? What the fuck? This man, I don't get someone as good as John Jones, I just don't He's something special oh

Now he's training full-time moved to Albuquerque. Have you seen his Instagram? Yes. His Instagram where it's just his balling house in Albuquerque? Yeah. That means there's no distractions. He's training full-time. Oh, you thought he was good before? Enjoy that. Beautiful. Beautiful. You know what?

You could say the same thing about Anthony Johnson. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. You know what? We've seen Anthony lose, though. We have seen Anthony lose. We've seen issues in Anthony's game. We have. We've never seen an issue in Jon Jones' game, ever. That's true.

Well, you know what? We have that one aspect of Anthony Johnson's game that you can't neglect when you talk about him. That's the fucking extreme weight cut that he used to make. True. He made the most extreme weight cut in the sport ever. We used to all see him walking around in hotels in between fights and he would be

e-fucking-normous. He would be like 220, 230. Even 240. I saw him at 240. Oh my God! And then he would fight at 170. What? Why the fuck didn't someone sit him down like a road? You're

cutting 80 pounds. Why don't we relax? Homie, relax. Why don't you fight him down? You're cutting 80 pounds. Why don't we relax? Homie, relax. Why don't you fight somewhere else? What are you doing, Rude? What's the thought process there? He likes being a bully. Is that what it is, man?

I think. Why the fuck else wouldn't? What are you doing? Well, you know, there's also, how about this? Some guys think that they're not doing all they can do to be a champion unless they cut as much weight as they can to get to a lower weight as they can. They think it's a part of the discipline. How ridiculous is that?

They think it's a part of the discipline of being a fighter that you have to make that weight, and they look at it as a badge of courage. They have to cut that weight. He's missed weight so many times. Someone should have just been like, yo, my man. Okay, well, how about Weidman then? What do you think about Weidman? Weidman has a hard cut to 185.

He makes it pretty— Well, he's obviously the most professional because he's the champion, right? He always gets on weight, even in the fucking... He's never missed it, though. That's the difference. He almost missed it. I mean, he didn't almost miss it, but he had a really hard time with it in the fight with, what the fuck's his name, the Italian boxer? Oh, Filippu? No, no, no, no. Sakuraba. Or, uh, it's Sarkar, no, no, no. Sakuraba. Alessio Sakara. Sakara.

Damn it. Jesus Christ. How could I not remember that? Legionarius. Alessio Sakara. He took that fight. I think that was on like a real short notice. He took that fight and the Maya fight on super short notice. That's what it was.

It was the Damian-Maya fight. That was eight days, bro. That was eight days. Yeah. That's different. That was it. That's different. The Legionarius fight, he crushed him, right? Yeah crush

Yeah, Maya went to decision short notice. It was a standout fight. Yeah most of the time That was that was when Ray Longo was yelling his corner I saw what you got through at the fucking weigh-ins if you can lose that kind of weight kid you can get through this Right, you get in the pep talk. Yeah during the fight. Yeah, how great is Ray Longo the thing with uh Machi or with uh Weidman though is uh There's again. There's no holes in his game. It's not like Anthony Johnson We've seen him cut weight and there's holes in his game stride men that we haven't seen it man why do this a bad? Motherfuckers an animal he's an animal

He's a special type of Long Island animal that you never want to have a fight with at a bar How about his boy, Iaquinta? He's crazy. I love it. I love that. I wish I was there to interview him, man, when he did that. When he was like, boo me? No, fuck you. Boo me?

Fuck you. I loved it. He didn't get in trouble for that, right? I don't know. I hope not. They should give him a bonus. I agree. $100,000.

I wanted to get, if I was there, I wanted to climb through the fucking screen and interview him. I wanted to. It was the best, man. I wanted to, like, when he was saying, fuck you, I wanted to, like, first of all, I wanted to climb through the fucking screen and interview him. I wanted to like in that moment I wanted to like like when he was saying saying fuck you. Yeah, I wanted to like first of all What it wasn't his fault, you know boo the fighter. He's not the judge He went on gave it gave it his all but John Anik was like, okay. Looks like we've got some curse words here Alright take care Even ask him to stay I would have congratulated him on a really tough up. He was like, um, we're not going to talk. All right, Al. Take care.

All right, Al. I mean, you didn't even ask him to stay. I would have congratulated him on a really tough fight. It was a great fight. How did you score the fight? I thought Masvidal probably edged him. Oh, I disagree. Really? No, I had Al winning two and three.

I think I thought the first round was pretty dominant for Masvidal. And I think the other two rounds, I thought Masvidal did just enough. Ooh, I disagree. You know, I didn't think it was nearly as dominant as the first round. I would like to go over it again and watch it with you. Let's do that. Let's go over it again. We'll watch it after the fight.

That'll be cool to do. Would you say Mesodal is a 10-8 first round? I could see it being a draw if you want to go that route. I could see a draw if you give it 10-8 that first round. Well, I think there definitely should be a wider disparity in scoring. If that is a 10-9, but then the last two rounds were also 10-9, well, that's obviously

right there. That fight demonstrates it, right? That fight demonstrates the difference between the first round, the domination that Masvidal showed in that first round, and then the really debatable second and third rounds. Masvidal kind of coasted, though, especially the third round and the second. I thought he was losing it, of coasted, though. Especially the third round. And the second round, I thought he was losing it, man.

Kind of did. And he hasn't. Well, you know, who knows? This is the thing, dude. You know it as much as I knew it. You never know what the fuck's going on with these guys when they get in there. He could have been clipped. He could have been clipped in the second round.

We don't know. And he was coasting because he just wasn't there. Well, it could have been that he was hurt in training. It could have been. Oh, big knee, dude. Huge knee. Oh, shit. Knee central. We haven't mentioned this fight. Oh, big knee, dude. Huge knee. Oh, shit. Knee central.

We haven't mentioned this fight once. Not once. How rude. Let me find out what fight this is. We're the worst commentators ever. The main event, co-main event is the bomb. Yeah. Especially the co-main event.

That's the best fight on the card. Which one's that? That's Minowav versus the Polish cat. The Polish cat has beaten a lot of UFC guys that a lot of people don't know. Yes. He beat Houston Alexander. Jamie, can you put up the card, like the full card, so we can see what the whole main card

is? This is, we're right now, we're watching Palo, Paloc, and Sheldon Westcott. Looks like a good fucking fight so far. But we were talking about all kinds of other shit. First of all, I got to go back to this Roy Nelson thing and strongly disagree that he gets a fucking haircut. Bro, get a stylist. Dress these guys proper so they don't look like assholes.

No, he looks like Roy goddamn Nelson. He's a fabulous human being. Not everybody has to be Metro. Not everybody has to be a beautiful, handsome cross man. The UFC can hire me as a stylist. The first thing I'll do is go to Joanna, the 115-pound champ. I'm like, yeah, that business button-up you're wearing, let's get rid of that. Let's ditch that.

You know what I'm saying? That's hilarious. Roy, no more T-shirts, bellies, and G-shirts. Eddie, you gotta let Roy be Roy. I love Roy. I love Roy, too, man. He's a love Roy. I love Roy too, man. He's a great guy. I love the mullet.

What's next for him? That's a good question. Because he lost over him. The more unique characters we have, the better. That's fine. He can dress nice and be a character. You don't have to look like fucking... I feel like they just booked a fight for him.

God damn it. You see that documentary, The Sheik, yet? The Sheik? The Chic? Yeah, the Iron Chic documentary. No, this documentary. Fucking good. Is it? I love me some docs.

You know, when you think, you know, I was into the WWF. Love them. I was into the WWF. I just watched Culture High, by the way. It's pretty good, right? Fucking dope. Yeah. If I could, I would do it.

But I would, I mean, I was like, damn, I'm pro-weed now. The Iron Chic story, dude. The Iron Chic story is fucking amazing. You know, he was an Iranian national champion wrestler. Yeah, legit wrestler. Who ended up being a bodyguard for the Shah. The Shah loved the wrestlers and the top Iranian wrestlers. And his main bodyguard dude, forget his name, but he was the best Iranian wrestler ever.

And he was his main bodyguard, the Shah. That dude ended up committing suicide. So everyone thought, oh, shit. He got killed. So the Iron Sheik, he was one of the bodyguards. He decided to bolt. He bolted to Minnesota, dude. He's beautiful skin.

But he was the second best wrestler in Iran. And he started teaching the Olympic wrestling team. Number one. He was really good. World champion. And you know what's crazy? You know why? He wasn't even like, you know how his character is the Iron Sheik with that,

what do they call those head pieces? what do they call those head pieces? What do they call those head pieces? But it wasn't a turban. It was like, you know. Iran was totally westernized. He had nothing to do with any of that. None of those guys were like that. He was a wrestler.

He was an athlete. He was a regular dude. He wasn't like that. But once he slowly started getting into pro wrestling in Minnesota, he would coach the college team there, and they were national champions five years in a row. He was an amazing wrestler. At University of Minnesota? Yes.

Somewhere in Minnesota, and for the Olympic team. He was the man in wrestling. And he started getting into pro wrestling, not as an Iron Sheik, just as an American Olympic coach type. He was an American, but he was really Iranian. So someone told him, his wife told him, he goes, you should, his wife suggested that he uses that because.

Because she likes money. Well, we were in that Iran. Exactly. Right? Like wrestling's great. Why don't we make some fucking money and you get a personality. At that time, wrestlers are dead broke.

That's when we were at. We were about to go to war with Iran back then. The whole terror hostages. They took advantage of that. They jumped on that. How crazy is that to do? For him though.

In America? He loved it. He loved being the heel. He started blowing up in Minnesota. Vince McMahon heard about this. The reason why he ended up being... Listen, the reason why he ended up being... He ended up getting the championship belt. He beat Bob Backlund. But the way that shit's decided,

they talk about this openly about how Bob Backlund was the American WWF champion. What the hell? Again? Dude, what is going on? They wanted to bring in Hulk Hogan. How are we going to make him a champion? Vince McMahon goes, well, he can't beat the American champion.

We need a villain to come in to beat Bob Backlund so then Hulk Hogan saves the day. We have a villain champion for like a year or two. Makes sense. And then it blows up. So they needed the perfect villain. They fucking found it. They found Iron Sheik. Perfect timing.

The crazy thing about Iron Sheik is he wouldn't lose because in reality he knew he could beat everybody here. Because he's a real wrestler. Yes, exactly. Kind they all respect even hulk hogan they all they all talk about this in the documentary the reason the reason why the iron sheik was the only one that would beat him was hulk hogan because he was the best wrestler he could fucking hold up and they all know it they all knew it so he took and Hulk Hogan says this You know says iron she could have beat it. He could beat anybody in any room For real so for him to lay down for me and let me and pass the torch to me that created Hulkamania Him passing the torch you're seeing a real wrestling. Yeah. Yeah, they actually had a

Sextape yeah Yeah, yeah, they actually had a rest Yeah You've ever seen this it's the best So much sadness in that that would have been no Hulkamania. It's glorious. That's hilarious Still looks good in I didn't watch it. I watched a few seconds of what I was doing. Oh, thanks. I got the trade Dude seconds of what I want. He's getting his dick sucked. Dude, he's still yoked. Dude, Hogan's arms are huge. He's still fucking yoked. Yoked. How old is he?

That's a weird love triangle. Someone got betrayed in that weird love triangle. Someone put on the line. It was like his best friend's girl or something like that. Yeah, they have some weird thing. In the middle, he's like, hold on, Nick's calling while he's getting his dick suck checks his phone It's the Hulk stir man. I'm not at him at all. That is hilarious. No one gave a shit, right?

The bad sex tape I think if I think we still do WWE fans were like sad. How dare you Hulk? What if you found out that Hulk did that on purpose? I'd be a bigger fan Only talk about Iron Sheik being a massive coke head. Like, he got busted with hacksaw Duggan in a car. They got pulled over and they had a bunch of coke and weed on him.

He partied hard. Iron Sheik is a mad partier. Did you see that ad for Stipe Miocic? That's a good fight. That's a good fight. That's a fucking fight. Big, big fan of stipe man after that fight with junior dos santos i was like this guy he's still getting better he's still getting better he's fucking really good and still getting better you're smiling heavyweight son of a bitch

competitive motherfucker i think uh don't get me wrong, Stipe's a fucking monster. He's a monster. I think that fight was more of Dos Santos, the Cain Velasquez fights took its toll on him. A lot of people believe that. That's a little bit of speculation. He has like a surgery every other week. Yeah, he's definitely beat up. I've heard that.

I've heard that speculation. Your boy Noguero's fighting again. Yeah. Struve. Wow. Why your boy? Why do you say that? I don fighting again. Yeah, it's true Wow. Why your boy Well we both love them you love all of us love them fuck yeah, you know It's a love. Yeah, it's it's it's hard to watch the real legends like that Break your heart going out like the Roy Nelson fight was hard for me to watch

That was the worst fight I've ever seen. Yeah, the hard one. That was the worst fight where I was like, oh, my God. It was like a shotgun going off. Yeah, when he got KO'd, you know, it was tough to watch. I told you, man, when Little Nog fought Anthony Johnson, I was in the back warming Pat Cummings up because I was cornering Pat for that fight. And he was just so beat up. His body was so beat up.

He couldn't even hit mitts. He was just sitting down like we are now. Wow. Burt comes by. You know how Burt goes. Fire in the hole. You're up. No switch. Walks up. Fucking prison stare. Walks up. Goes out there. Gets fucking annihilated. Do you think that he just had too many

fights? Yeah. Too much training time. Too much. Too many wars in the gym. Too many wars in the gym too many wars in the octagon talking about one the best ever man yeah so back to that jamie varner thing jamie varner was saying that um he believes he's having he's had about 30 concussions 30 yeah or maybe more that's what his doctor had estimated i don't know how his doctor estimated that they did an mri a brain scan if they i don't know what they did. But whatever it was, his doctor urged him to retire.

And, you know, then he started talking about cognitive issues, memory issues, things along those lines. Then he sees a cognitive therapist once a week to deal with them. This guy's got good jiu-jitsu, man. He's very good. I can't name too many fighters who have retired where I'm like, God damn, that guy's sharp. You're doing really well, my man. I can't name too many of my... Randy seems fine, man.

When you talk to Randy, Randy Couture is very lucid. He's fine. And he had his last fight really late in life. I think he was 48, his last fight. That's true. And what, he started competing at, what, 42? 36, I believe. It was his first UFC fight.

I was there. That was in who? That comb-over? That was in who? My hair was luscious. Fucking dope. Dude, he got a rear naked choke in his first UFC. Randy Couture.

Randy Couture. Remember, he took Tony Homma. Yeah. Yeah,ure remember he took Tony Hama yeah yeah he checked out Tony Hama and he fought this other dude too that night that had real promise I forget the gentleman's name did he get his back he got his back as well right um I don't remember what he did to him he might have mounted him and ground and pounded him but the Tony Hama one was big right hand ducked under it took him down had his will with him. Couture's a legend. What?

Stud. How about when Liotta kicked his tooth out and he's like, you know what? I'm done with this bullshit. Yep. He's like, enough. Front kick to the face. Goddamn movies. About to do some Expendables series.

Expendables 67. Yeah. He's an animal. I feel real bad that he and the UFC had that falling out. Well, it's because of his son too, right? Like he cornered his son or some shit like that, right? Well, I don't know if you can quantify what

started it out, but I think the thing that kicked it into overdrive, I think there was a few issues over the years, but the thing that kicked it into overdrive was him doing that Bellator show. Yeah, that'll do it. it into overdrive was him doing that Bellator show. Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, after they put him in the UFC Hall of Fame,

he signed up to do that Bellator show. The show was terrible. You know what, man? We all have different opinions about these things. You thought the show was good? No. You tuned in every week like, I can't wait. I didn't watch it, honestly. I mean, different opinions about whether or not he should have been able to go

into some rival organization and pump up the organization. Probably not. It's debatable. It's tough, man. He's a champion of one organization. But you've got to do what you've got to do, man. If people offer you some money and you have an opportunity like that. I agree.

The UFC's not giving him a stipend after he's retired. an opportunity like that? The UFC's not giving him a stipend after he's retired. I got weird feelings on competitiveness in MMA right now. Competition amongst organizations in MMA. And my weird feeling is I don't think it's

necessary. I don't think it'll be a lot less of this now that Scott Coker is over at Bellator. You think a lot less? I think it goes up. I don't think so, man. I think the hostility is not going to go up. Ooh, I disagree. Because Bellator. You think a lot less. Yeah. I think he goes up. I don't think so, man. Oh, you're crazy. I think the hostility is not going to go up. Oh, I disagree. Because Bellator's going to get bigger.

Yeah, it's going to get bigger. Because Scott Coker's legit. He is legit. But I think the UFC likes him. You know? I mean, they worked with him when he was the owner of Strikeforce. And it is possible. That was then.

Yeah. It is possible. It's all fun and games until Bell bellator is a legit threat have you watched bellator lately yeah i watched it last night i don't miss one i don't miss the ufc don't even remember i'm ufc today i died but i don't miss one dude the the uh i i enjoyed it um marcine held he's got some fucking nasty jujitsu hell yeah jesus christ how about your boy joe schilling how about joe schilling it's a good. He thought he won the fight after it was over. But Edge Brag.

You've got to do it like this. You've got to do it like this. You're going to eat. We've got to remember. Brooks. He thought he won the fight, but it was a very close fight. Super close. Takedowns are tough.

Yeah, Schilling did more damage, but the dude did get dominant position on him a bunch of times, which shouldn't mean as much, but oftentimes the way they score it, it does. When the guy's on top of you in side control for a prolonged period of time, for whatever reason, that's worth a lot, even if he doesn't hurt you. It is, but it probably shouldn't be. We should probably figure out what is actually one thing where you're controlling a guy, but if you're controlling a guy and you're not getting any damage done, what difference does that make? Is it 50% of controlling the guy and doing damage?

Is it less than that? You've got to quantify it. The one positive thing I saw in Bellator is when homeboy Emmanuel fought. He just lost to the Henzo Gracie guy. Emmanuel Newton? Emmanuel Newton, yeah, yeah. He just lost. Yeah, I didn't see that fight.

I missed that fight. If you watch that fight, Emmanuel took the guy down a ton, and the guy was so active off his back, triangle, armbar, so active, and they gave him the win because he was threatening nonstop, nonstop. You know who does that? Charles Oliveira. Yes. You get that kid on his back.

He's a nightmare. On his feet and back. He's scrambling on his back. You know what? Cowboy's similar. We don't see it a lot. Very similar. Cowboy's guard game is nasty.

That's what I'm interested in seeing in this fight. Can you imagine if Cowboy could similar. We don't see it a lot. Very similar. Cowboy's guard game is nasty. That's what I'm interested in seeing in this fight. Can you imagine if Cowboy could submit Habib? Be sick. Good googly moogly. I hope he does. Good googly moogly. That is a tough fucking fight. Tough fucking fight.

That's a tough fucking fight for both guys. Speaking of tough fights, I saw Machida yesterday spar five rounds like it was nothing. Not shit. He could go ten. Really? That fight's in two weeks too. How's he look? Best I've ever seen him. You want to talk about a professional? What? The fuck?

He has to be. He doesn't have much time left, man. You know? I mean, you think he's 36, 37 years old. His athletic prime is probably right now is about maintaining the the super high level he's at right now but like biologically in this day and age without taking anything you're you're gonna start to the experience that that pretty significant diminish diminishment telling you man though there's there's no one more professional than him

he's awesome they need a documentary on Lyoto. It's called The Professional. That motherfucker's just... He's a legit martial artist 365 days a year. Yeah, he's a super nice guy, too. Does he still drink urine? Hey, how dare you? I don't think so. How dare you bring that up?

No, I think someone schooled him on that. They're like, yo, you can't be drinking piss. Hey, I'm not talking shit. I drank urine. I drank my piss a couple times. I tried it for like a month. Did you really? Did you try it too, Joe? Yeah, drank my piss a couple times. I tried it for like a month. Did you really? Did you try it too, Joe?

Yeah, I tried it a few times. I tried it too. After I saw Machida do it, I was like, shit, I'm just going to heat this shit up. Really, it's not that big a deal. Everybody makes it out that it's a big deal. It's your own piss. I did it with a DJ on the radio, and he almost threw up. It was hilarious.

Really? This dude, no name, in San Francisco. He didn't think, I don't think he thought I was gonna do it He was like Joe. Will you drink this piss? Well, it's really stupid to do don't do it folks But there is some some thought that certain vitamins or antioxidants I forget the the rap I would never do it if I read about it today But when I did it back in the day I was a little bit more susceptible to the internet has schooled me on the reality of drinking your piss

I wasn't in the UFC. I saw the cheetah do it and I started drinking piss, man. That's how it goes. This is the way I look at it. I don't know shit about why we can't just piss out of our asses. Why do we need our dicks to get rid of liquid waste?

I mean, that's science. Where is this coming from? It's science, bro. What I'm thinking is your piss is designed to clean that important urethra out multiple times a day, cleaning bacteria. So that your piss can't be filled with bacteria. It's cleaner. It's cleaning your dick out. Your body made cleaner for your dick to keep it clean. So when you shoot out

sperm it's healthy and clean dude you should be a scientist you know straight up that's my guess that's my straight up scientist that's my guess i don't know about 10 seconds into that okay yeah you don't think that makes sense it does a little i guess it does why would you yeah there has to be a special reason for piss or otherwise we just piss out of our asses every animal does it that way, too. But women don't ejaculate, and they pee out of their vaginas, too. That's some leftover guy shit. No, no, no, because everyone's born a woman.

Everyone's not born a woman. Everyone's hatched a woman. When you're an embryo, everyone's a woman. I did not know that. That's why we have nipples. I did not know that. Really? That's why we have nipples? Yeah, whatever the that. Really? That's why we have nipples?

Yeah, whatever the difference in the chromosomes are. Obviously, I'm doing a shitty job with the biology here, but we're XY. That's what men are. I've always had a set of tits, man. That Y gets established. Testosterone kicks into gear. Do-do-do-do. And you become a boy.

But everything in the beginning, every embryo, whatever it is, every embryo starts out as a female. And then we're raised to be obsessed with as men. Dick size. No, when it comes to women, to less than nothing. Yeah. There's a void. There's nothing there. It's nothing. It's a hole

that goes in and there's a void. Have you heard of that Lady Valor? The Navy SEAL? Hold on. What do you mean? I was trying to take a different route. No, no, no. I was trying to take a different route. I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying. You know how when a girl likes a guy's private parts,

there's actually six, seven, eight inches of a thing that they have to... For some reason, they like the way it looks. I don't like the way it looks. But when it comes to female genitalia, we are obsessed with a void. There's nothing. Not only is there no eight inches, but it goes eight inches deep of nothingness.

So there's just a void that we have to. I don't know. We're obsessed with. That doesn't make any sense. Exactly. It makes zero sense. It's not a void. It is. There's nothing there. It grabs your finger, dude. That's the outer edges. I don't know we're obsessed with that doesn't make any sense exactly it makes zero sense you not avoid It is there's nothing that grabs your finger dude. That's the outer edges. No the inside grabs your finger it squeezes

That's like saying your mouth is a void Greatest stone biology rant of all time. Hold up. Why the fuck does that say Jacare versus Chris Camosi? Where's my boy fucking... Oh, that's right. You didn't hear? Yeah, he got hurt. No fucking way.

When? Yeah, he got hurt. He got hurt a couple days ago. Jacare and Camosi already fought. Jacare submitted him in like three seconds. Camosi gets a rematch on fucking Fox. Good for him. Yeah, I like Kamoze.

He's a Denver boy. He's a great dude. I like that dude. Great opportunity. He brings it. One day, boom. Big Brown up in there. 205.

One day. Look at that. That look. Joe's on. I'm trying to figure out the rankings here. Did you hear Big Brown mention 205? Yeah. What do you weigh right now?

I'm about 247. I've lost six pounds in a week. How does it feel to lose six pounds? Glorious. Does it feel good? Yeah, I feel great, man. You feel physically good? Great.

What did you do? Did you change just calories or the type of food? Calories. I was doing it myself, you change just calories or the type of food? I was doing it myself, you know, for like two or three months. And you just can't do that, man. So I hired a nutritionist. And do they prepare the meals for you and everything? Yeah, drop them off every Sunday.

Meals, water, plan, everything. I check in with them all the time. It's way easier that way, right? Way easier. So do you get one of those body fat tests and a body composition test? Do they do that stuff too? No. No?

He can. I just don't want to drive out there and do all that shit. The good thing with those is those are numbers. You know, you get it down on paper. You got to make sure that you're hydrated because those things, the equipment that they use, unless they're dunking you, it can be a little fuckery. There's always like a plus or minus 3% on those things, right? Yeah, I think those bod pods. I think they say the calipers the little pinchy things

Yeah, like the least effective the most effective is the flotation. This is a bad motherfucker Jimmy Manilow He is a bad mother only losses to a guest thing. Dude. He's only been doing MMA for like six years He's like he's like a straight-up the street, right? Yes. Super athlete. God damn. Good athlete for sure. He's a nasty striker, dude. Serious fucking power. This Jan dude's no punk, man.

He's beat tougher guys than Jimmy. Jimmy hasn't really beat anyone. Is his name Jan? Is it Jan? How do they say it? Because in Denver, Colorado, we call him fucking Jan, all right? Where's he from?

He's from Poland. This is his hometown. Denver, Colorado? In Denver, Colorado, we call him fucking Jan, all right? Where's he from? He's from Poland. This is his hometown. Denver, Colorado. In Denver, Colorado, we call him Jan. But it's probably Jan for sure. He said Jan. So Jan's beat Houston Alexander. He's beat Sokuju.

Yep. You remember that, what's his fucking name? Relic? You remember that dude, Goran Relic? Yeah, Goran Relic. That badass Croatian? Yeah. Beat him.

What happened to that dude? That dude had mad potential. I don't know. Right? He had skills. I think he got injured. I was just thinking about him today. I think he got injured. His stand-up was nasty. He was a mean dude. Yeah, he was really good. I think Manawar's the favorite.

I'm taking my boy Jan, or as we call him in Denver. Jan? Strong words. Strong words for Colorado kid. What? I guess this guy's just a hero out there in Poland. My feelings about this whole Bellator UFC thing is

it doesn't have to be some crazy fucking hatred between the organizations. Everybody would benefit if everybody benefits. I really believe that the sport of MMA still has room to grow. And I think that a big organization that is alongside the UFC is not a bad thing. And it's a very good thing for the athletes. It's great for the athletes.

It's better for the athletes than the UFC. It's very good for the athletes. I think the UFC is obviously above and beyond in terms of the talent. It's not even close. It's not even close. But it's not a bad thing to have Bellator around. I think they do a great job. I enjoy the shit out of the fights.

Yeah, I like them, man. I don't miss them. I enjoy the shit out of Joe Schilling's fight. That was a great fight. I like how Joe Schilling does Gloria and Bellator. He's a fucking beast. That dude is a straight-up savage. He's a straight beast. That dude is a straight-up savage. He's a straight killer.

Super talented. And a real good dude, too. Real good dude. How many of those Bellator guys do you think would come out of the UFC? Their champs and do well? Not many. You know what, man? You really don't know until they get in there.

You don't know. Look at Eddie Alvarez. He fought Donald, and Donald was on point. Just saying. Donald was on point. But then he lost again. Yeah, he did. Who did he lose again to?

Didn't he lose to Henderson? Look at all the fighters that came from Strikeforce. Hold on a second. Strikeforce is different. Why do I feel like that fight got canceled? Maybe you're right. Did Eddie get hurt in that? Because that's a hell of a fight.

Jesus Christ, why can I not remember that? I can't remember either. Headshots. All right, let's see. Benson. This is your best fight on the card right here. Yeah, I agree. Well, you know what?

I'm very curious to see what happens in the main event. I am too. Very curious's 2003. We're already at the co-main event? Yeah. Yeah. There's not that many fights. Is this a two-hour show?

No. I don't think so. Man, we've been here one hour, and we're already at the co-main event that's weird it's also fight pass yeah eddie alvarez lost a cowboy and they lost one more okay the last fights for um benson were brandon thatch and then the donald cowboy serrani fight and then jafel dos anjos jafel dos anjos i'm making fights up, everybody. Yeah. I think that was a fight that was scheduled.

It was supposed to happen, right? It didn't take place. Who was Eddie's last fight? Because he's lost two, I thought. I didn't know that he lost two. Why do I not remember that? I can't say. I love Google.

God, it's awesome. I love Google. God, it's awesome. Oh, Cerrone beat him, and then who beat him after Cerrone, though? He beat Michael Chandler. There goes your fight pass. He beat Michael Chandler? Chandler was in Bellator.

Yeah. Oh, you're in UFC? Yeah. Who are you looking up, Jamie? Sorry, Eddie Alvarez. Yeah, he beat Michael Chandler to leave Bellator. Yeah. I think he's only fought once, dude. And then he got hurt.

He's supposed to fight Ben, right? Yeah, I don't think he's... Fight Pass went down again? Listen, Fight Pass. Fight Pass. It keeps kicking me off, and I have to re-log in. This is really dumb. I'm going to sign him with with Facebook see if it makes a

difference powerful Jimmy Manoa I love listen to the European commentators yeah you're ready they talk his only one fight was Donald you're trying to give him more losses cuz he's so handsome he dude, his eyebrows are on point. He's beautiful. He for sure gets those waxed. I'm really excited to see him adjust to the higher level of competition because I think he will. You do? Yeah, I think he

will. I think you'd be surprised. Ha ha! He needs some work with his leg kick checking, obviously. I just don't think he ever fought a guy who is as slick as Donald on his feet. When you say higher level guys, who are you talking about? I don't know, man. I don't know.

I see potential in him. I mean, it all depends on how much. That's what I was just going to say. It all depends on how much damage he got through those Chandler fights. He's fighting in Japan forever. He's had some hard fights. Some really crazy, crazy wars. He's a wild motherfucker.

I love watching him fight. Me too. I love it, man. Yeah, he's wild, motherfucker i love watching him fight me too i love it man yeah he's wild great but what you know you know as well as i know when you have a wild style like that there's only so much fucking area on the board see that yeah the michael chandler you get to a higher level where the the pros pros go okay you're wild check this out yeah well just you open yourself up you know and it makes it super exciting i mean we we all know those guys who just go to war at the beginning of every fucking round Just and they're super exciting to watch. They're a fan favorite

Yep, and then next thing you know two years down the road You're in three and six sitting at home watching these guys who were winning by wrestling and being smart and you can win that way That's what's kind of crazy. Like sometimes you can win that way when you win that way. That's what's kind of crazy. Like, sometimes you can win that way. When you win that way, it's wild to watch. Mm-hmm. So it's like no one... If you win that way, you did the right thing. But if you want to look at it as a long-term proposition...

Can't fight that way. You can't fight that way. There's no way. The long-term proposition is... Yes, Leonard Garcia is a good example. Plus, you've got to remember the amount it takes on your brain. Yeah, Leonard is just a wild motherfucker. Fun to've got to remember the amount it takes on your brain. Yeah, Leonard is just a wild motherfucker.

Fun to watch. So down. This one's going to be wild. Fuck yeah, it is. How do you say Buckwaltz? How do you say his name? Let's just call him Yan. Let's do this, Yan.

Yan. Let's talk like we're in a niche. Yan went to the barber and said, can I just get that Chuck Liddell? Is there any way you can just give me the Chuck Liddell? Yan Blakovic. Damn. Jan's beat some good guys, man. You gotta remember, he beat that Latifi. You remember Latifi?

Has Manoa fought since he fought Gustafsson? Nope, this is his first fight. He's been working on a lot of stuff. Eating that jab. Hard jab by Jan. Hard jab. Need a few more of those. Jan, too.

Hometown. He's fought here before. I don't know, man. I like his chances, although he's the underdog. A good fucking jab is one of the most underrated weapons, man. In the UFC, I think it's still the most underutilized tool. Even more than kicks? Yeah, I think kicks are definitely underutilized as well.

But, man, there's something about a jab. It's so quick and effective. Look at Musashi. Look at GSP. Yeah, man, there's something about a jab. It's so quick and effective. Look at Musashi. Look at GSP. Yeah, if you've got a real good jab, you can really disrupt a guy striking. Now, would you say Yen's stiff? Who the? No, I like the way he's throwing that jab, man.

I love the jab. I like the jab. I just feel like Jimmy's a little more loose. Oh, look at that left hook. Look at that man with left hook. That was pretty. That left hook to the liver was nice. Ooh.

That's the thing about Manoa, man. The amount of impact he puts on shit. Yeah, super explosive. Very exciting to watch. Motherfucker can pop. Like you said, though, you get to those higher levels, man. Look at that knee to the body. Yeah, I mean, look, Gustafson got him.

That was a good fight. Gustafson showed what he's made of in that fight. This is like Gustafson and Anthony Rumble Johnson stuff going back and forth on Twitter. The headbutt? Well, no, it wasn't even that. A lot of people have brought that up, though. You absolutely positive that it was a headbutt? When you watch the tape, yes. Yeah, I want to watch it again. Everybody says it. I'd like them to fight again though.

It seemed to me like it was definitely a headbutt. That's what it seemed like, but I'm still I would like to watch it again. Before you, I would say, you know, oh it was a headbutt. It was one of those ones where he was throwing the right hand at the same time. Yeah. So I don't know what landed first. Yeah, man, when you watch the tape in slow motion, it looks like the head does land first. But either way, he beat him. I don't give a shit. Headbutt or not.

Yeah, and the right hand did land behind the headbutt. It did land. Yeah, so who knows? It's a question of which one fucked him up first. The headbutt definitely. If he did crack into him, which I believe he probably did, it looks like from the angle. It's not one of those definite ones, you know you could see absolutely side on have you seen the heads collide have you seen it yeah it's pretty good definite definitely headbutt we'll watch it again

you hear alexander said he wanted to retire after that fight yeah hey man it's tough loss in front of your hometown home country like that tough loss i can't wait to see him in glover fight next that's a good fight great fight it's a good fight and both guys need it and Glover is you know I usually watch my like 230 240 mm-hmm 220 that's good 220 right now well he realized in that last fight that he just didn't have the gas tank to deal with Phil Davis and he also trained in like Connecticut in a garage. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think that's all he had available. Is it? Yeah.

He had to stay. He had to stay in town for this one for some reason. I think it might have had something to do with family or something like that. Makes sense. Yeah, I think that was the story behind it. So he put together his own crew down there of good guys, but, you know what, man? I mean, how many dudes, I don't have to tell you, how many dudes don't have someone managing their training? How many dudes don't have someone who's like a Mark Henry type dude?

96% of the UFC. Yeah, 96%. I think that's the right number. The main event in this, Gabriel Gonzaga, a guy who just has trained out of, you know, Team Link. He's the fucking link. He's the biggest dog in the gym. Who knows the potential he could have had if he went to Greg Jackson's or American Top Team.

I agree. But he stays in Boston. Well, he's got a family. I get all that. I get all that. Convenience. Yeah. I know what you're saying.

But you know what, man? When Randy Couture beat him, he beat him when he was in his total prime. That was when Gonzaga was in his prime. And Randy just took it to him even gonzaga's prime's a fucking beast man he's been knocking a lot of dudes out he's that was the scaredest i've ever been for a fight hands down i was so scared really terrified wow just because the power the power? The power. World champion jiu-jitsu. You know, he's knocked out some fucking months. Crow cop. He's been in there against the best.

That crow cop knockout was terrifying. That was the scariest I've ever been. Wow. I wish I could find that again. I've got to be honest. For reals. I'm not scared anymore. Do you think that's just because you've had so many experiences? Yes.

And in the training room, I go against scary dudes all the time. So when I fight, I'm not scared anymore. Do you think that's just because you've had so many experiences? Yes. And in the training room, I go against scary dudes all the time. So when I fight, I'm not as scared. It's not good, man. There's nothing like that fear of God in you to make you, you know. So, yeah, I see what you're saying. It becomes almost too confident or too comfortable. Yeah, I've been too comfortable. There you go.

Jimmy Manilow is throwing some nasty kicks, dude. Yeah, he is. A lot of good power behind those kicks. That was a good round. Give it to Jimmy. Yeah, I hear what you're saying about Gonzaga. Goddamn talented, huh? Fuck.

What? And he's really worked on his boxing his last few fights, and I think that could be a really interesting aspect in this fight. No, Gonzaga, you're a world champ. Take him down, submit him, my man. Gonzaga on top of you is some of the best jiu-jitsu in the UFC, man. Why do you think he abandoned that and just decided to bang? You think it was because of wrestlers?

No, he took Shane Carwin down. If you remember that, he was kind of whooping Shane's ass. Yeah, it was 40 seconds, but he took Shane down, rocked him, took him down, and then Shane got up and said, oh, cool story. Boom, jab, knocked you out. Well, he got a little careless. He had Shane hurt, but he took Shane down, rocked him, took him down, and then Shane got up and said, oh, cool story. Boom. Jab. Knocked you out. Well, he got a little careless. He had Shane hurt, and he got careless, and he ran into a short punch that just kicked the

fucking generator down the street. I was like, oh my god. Bang! Shane's the only guy. It was a generator tumbling down the street with a cord following behind it. That's what happened to his brain when that right hand connected. I also think Gonzaga has a mental issue with cardio. So when you want to grapple a wrestler guy, especially in the UFC at this point,

it's going to take a lot of energy. A lot of energy, man. I think he's worried about that. Dude, Shane Carlin is probably the last guy you want to get hit with a short punch from. Ever. Ever in the history of fighting. You guys fucking, they don't make them like Shane, man. There's still build on that fucker.

He's just so ridiculous. So much power. And pretty loose with his fucking hands. Fuck, yeah. Shane was an athlete, man. Like that Frank Mir KO? Jesus fucking Louie's. I'll never forget that.

Frank Mir's corn's going, he's not doing shit here. Just rest. I'm like, rest? Shane has an underhook. He has an underhook, and he's smashing uppercuts through with fucking ferocious intention. That was some of the best striking from the clinch in the heavyweight division I've ever seen. That one fight. I don't think there's any other heavyweight who can hit like Shane from an underhook with that much fight. I don't think there's... No, I don't think there's any other heavyweight

who can hit like Shane from an underhook with that much power. Name someone who's not going to do that like that. No, he hits you so fucking hard, and he's fast and loose even for a big, giant dude. And he has leverage. Yeah, and he throws perfect punches. I mean, those are perfect power punches.

All Shane did is box. That's it. I think his deal, Shane's deal, unfortunately, in the UFC will always have been the injuries that he sustained before he got to the UFC. 100%. It's too bad because he was a real goddamn freak. A real freak. Best I've ever seen.

I've seen a lot of guys. Shane in his prime when he's getting ready for Gonzaga is the best fighter I've ever seen. Wow. I've seen a lot of dudes, man. That's strong words. Mm-hmm. Goddamn, dude. That's strong words.

Oh, and he's a fucking engineer. He's like a superhero. Yeah, he's smart as shit. He's like a fucking thick Professor X, man. When I hear about a dude like that, that's, you know, the back issues just ultimately ended it, and you think about all the hits that he probably took in football, and you could erase those and see a guy like that compete

without coming in already fucked up in a certain extent. And wrestling, though, too. Wrestling, he said. That took a lot out of him, too. Yeah, man. You've got to imagine. He wrestled these big, giant motherfuckers. What do you think of Todd Duffy, Frank Mir?

Todd Duffy's a beast, man. Todd Duffy throws some fucking heat, too. Todd Duffy's a beast. Todd Duffy and I were training partners for a while. I like Todd. Todd's biggest problem has always been himself, his mind. If,

if he's tentative against Frank, he's going to get destroyed. If Todd Duffy performs like he does in the training room, Todd Duffy's probably going to be fighting for a title next year. Wow. Strong, strong words. I also,

I also exaggerate everybody. No, no, for real. So anyone who's ever trained with Todd, ask DC, ask Kane. He's been at AKA. Ask everyone down in Florida at ATT. He's been in Denver.

He's been to fucking every gym in America. But if Todd performs like he does in the training room, he's a fucking nightmare. But when you see him in the octagon, it's just not there yet. I hear you, man. That makes sense. You know, if you look at some of his finest moments, the Anthony Hamilton fight, god damn, he throws some fucking

fast power punches still. For sure. Anthony Hamilton's not gonna fucking, you know. Yeah, Anthony Hamilton's a big boy, too. Those were crisp punches. Yeah, they were. Straight down the pipe. Yeah. Anthony just ate him. Which you can't do at heavyweight. Well, Frank Mir, how about that fucking jab, left hook?

He landed on Bigfoot. Frank Mir looked fucking nasty. He looked loose. There's never been a fight that Frank's fought besides Shane Carlin where I don't root for Frank Mir. What he's done for the sport, I root for him every single time. And he switched the stance. Now he's fighting... Traditional.

He used to be southpaw. Traditional. He threw that faint jab, left hook, knocked Bigfoot out. Bigfoot's a fucking nightmare, man. Do you wonder, though? I mean, Bigfoot went down pretty quick against Orlovsky, and he went down pretty quick against Frank Mir, and we know for a fact that Bigfoot,

if anybody needs testosterone replacement therapy, it's Bigfoot. I agree. Bigfoot has a legit tumor on his pituitary gland. Apparently, according to the interviews that he's done, he would have to get surgery. And he's going to eventually get surgery to have it removed. But his testosterone is not like normal person's. You can't fight in the UFC then, man. I hate to be shitty about it.

Because I love Bigfoot. He's one of the nicest guys. He is one of the nicest guys. But if you require that and you can't fight in the UFC. Right. Because I want the same shit you're taking then. Right. That's a good point. That's a good point. I need a Right. Because I want the same shit you're taking then. Right. That's a good point.

That's a good point. I need a bigger head. Give me the same shit you're taking. But you would have to, if you were going to do that, if you're going to let people do it, you would have to be monitoring them all times of the day to make sure they're not putting superhuman levels in. And then everybody would have like a level of testosterone they're allowed to achieve. Never going to happen. Maybe you wear a fucking eyeWatch. Yeah, right?

It reports back to the UFC headquarters. It checks in every day. I mean, that's not outside the realm of possibility. They have watches that tell your fucking heartbeat now. It's true. It's kind of a good idea. If they could figure out a way to test your testosterone, maybe just point your camera at your dick every day and it would know just by the way the dick's moving.

But then your testosterone goes up real high, right? Like, if I'm a ladies' man, I'm just destroying chicks. I'm like, God damn, Shob's testosterone was like nine times high this day. You know what I'm saying? Right, that could be. Yeah, if you could be around a bunch of pretty ladies. Yeah, man. Your body gears up for war.

Yeah, I'm in L.A. Someone in Idaho is probably not the same, you know? You know, they say that that's true. That men around attractive women, like literally their bodies produce more testosterone. 100%. You know what else say that that's true, that men around attractive women, like, literally, their bodies produce more testosterone. 100%. You know what else? Engines. Like, a rumbling engine, like a V8, like your American muscle car.

For sure. For whatever reason, that makes your body produce more testosterone. They have no idea why. Because it sounds like a fucking dragon. Manly. War machine. I don't mean war machine, the fighter. Yeah, definitely not.

Yeah, it's crazy. You think about things that actually make your body produce more hormones. Hot chicks and cars, man. What else? What else? Isn't it funny, though, that you're criticized for being a foolish person? Oh, I know. If you enjoy hot chicks and cars.

Oh, you. Such a meathead. You fool. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to my fucking DNA to love big-ass titties and Porsches. My bad. Yeah, you're sorry that you enjoy some of the most fun things ever. Ever.

You're sorry. Ever. Because it makes you dumb. Like, there cannot be one without the other. No, man. What's going on here? What's going on here? Why how come they haven't began the run yet?

Doo doo doo doo powerful, okay Here we go round two three three Did I say two yeah? We didn't even talk about the second round. We just talked about titties We did not have titties and why we love them Not to judge us

Jeez, man Yeah, it's funny that certain things are thought of to be for fools But cool cars are one of them for whatever reason You're never going to see a science professor that drives a sick vet No, it's weird A sick vet and just have a girlfriend with a blowout ass. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Neil deGrasse Tyson's probably the closest.

But he would have to put on a mask if he was driving around in a Corvette. You know? People wouldn't take him seriously. If he was balling in a sweet Corvette. Yeah, there's no college professors out there with Ferraris and girlfriends as big-ass dudes. Isn't that interesting? Einstein was a wild motherfucker. He was like a rock star.

That was pre-Twitter. Yeah, before he got judged by everyone. Oh, man. He married his cousin. That's pretty gangster. That's pretty weird. He had a first marriage, had a couple kids, wasn't that great of a father, according to this documentary, and then ended up marrying his cousin, and she became his manager, too.

And he was allowed to see anybody he wanted. And she was cool with it. Sounds awesome. That's why he's the smartest guy ever. What did his cousin look like? She was schlubby. Damn. They just made a deal. But they were... It was a deal. They made a deal. What does his cousin look like? She's schlubby. She was schlubby. Damn. Schlubby. Really?

They just made a deal. But they were... It was a deal. They made a deal. So the deal was when girls would come over, they'd have to bring her chocolates. That was a requirement. That's it? Chocolates.

Chocolates. Now I'm going to go suck your man's dick. And then they'd jump in the car and disappear for a couple days. That's a good deal. Einstein was a mad player. Damn. Damn, I did not know that. I can't believe it.

Jimmy Manilow. Seriously. I had no idea. He was a rock star. I like him even more. I hate him even more. Yeah, you can't. You know.

Oh, head kick. Good kick. You know who's allowed to that are sort of scientists? Well, they're not scientists, but they're super geniuses. They're allowed to get those kind of cars. It's like video game designers. True. Those super geniuses like the John Carmack type characters.

You know what that guy does in his spare time? Oh, nothing. Just makes rockets. Really? Yeah, makes his own rockets. On the side? Yeah, he's the lead software guy, the lead designer, whatever, the lead computer genius at Quake. Fuck, man. At id...id Game Crea- I don't know what the actual name of the studio is. It's just id.

But they created Doom, they created Quake 1,ake 1 quake 2 quake 3 quake 4 Yeah, they made a bunch of fucking crazy games that John Carmack guy in his spare time he turbo charges Ferraris He takes the Ferrari's like not strong enough have a solution and he bolts gigantic turbo charges to Ferrari good-looking dude, too It's not a bad looking guy. Really? Yeah, he does judo, too. Shit. Yeah, judo, jiu-jitsu.

Does he live in LA? No, he lives in Dallas, Texas. He's a bad motherfucker. He's a legit super genius. Like, you know, I have a dull mind, as it were. But when I talk to, like, legit super geniuses, I'm usually okay. Like, I can talk to them about things. But when I'm with Carmack, I'm like, don't make mistakes.

Stay on road. It's like, don't say the wrong word. Don't talk about shit you don't know. Stay in your lane. Don't pretend you know some shit, bro. Stay in your fucking lane. Like if you're on a motorcycle

and you're following a guy who's a motorcycle racer and you're trying to keep up with him and you know you shouldn't be driving this fast Don't pop wheelies. Just be the student and ask questions. Yeah, man. Ask questions. Yes, absolutely I'm trying to make statements. Well. He's just he would talk about programming. We would talk about code and coding how old you know Carmack It's a good question Is he like a doogie howser kid genius? I believe he's like 40 now.

Quake has been around for a long time. I mean, they created Quake, I think, in the early 90s. I don't remember what year it was. Would you rather be a super athlete like Michael Jordan or a straight fucking genius like an Einstein or your boy? See, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think that the only way... Really? I think genetically I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think that the only way... Really? I think genetically, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think it's very possible that you can get a guy

who has the physical talents of Michael Jordan and has an insanely powerful brain. It's totally possible. You can't have both. No, it's not true. Which guy? Who in the history? It's possible. But the thing is, in order to have that much knowledge in your head

and that much data bouncing around your head, you're not going to be in the gym and you're never going to reach that level. There's one or the other in terms of what you focus your attention on. But in terms of having the brain that has the capacity to reach super genius levels, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Wow. I'm just guessing. See, I think you're right.

Do you take the 100 smartest guys in the world? Oh, not very good athletes. Jimmy Manua going off here. What do you think they would look like? They look like Mr. Burns. They look like Mr. Burns. They look like shit. Oh, it wasn't. That was the end of the fight. I thought it was a low shot. That they were separating them.

I didn't think that one was going to be a decision. Jan Blakowicz is a tough motherfucker. Did I say his name right? It's going to be a decision. Jan Blakovic is a tough motherfucker. Did I say his name right? It's going to be tough for Jimmy to get a decision win in Jan's hometown. I think the UFC probably brought at least one. Is it a Polish commission? I would imagine because they have big promotions out there. Was it K something?

It's a big promotion that Jan was a previous champ of. How do you say Blakovic? Blakovic. Blakovic. He's tough as fuck, dude. That guy can take a beating. That was a good fight. He's going to feel that one tomorrow.

As is Manoa. Not too bad. Yeah, not too bad. No. But, I mean, a lot of shots to the body. Manoa throws those nasty knees to the body, man. Manoa throws those nasty knees to the body man We weren't watching the second round close enough no we were talking all kinds of shit about booties and Mustangs and shit and geniuses Corvettes Einstein that uh Lazar that Bob Lazar guy remember that guy that guy had a Corvette that was hydrogen powered. He made it hydrogen powered.

He took a Corvette and converted the engine to run on hydrogen. What a crazy story it is. Because of either way, what he's saying is an incredible story. Either he's telling the truth or if he's lying, he's one of the greatest actors. He's so smart. You got to be able to fake some genius shit. Do you know about it? No.

Eddie, explain it. Tell them what Bob Lazar is. You're better at explaining that shit than I am. What's Bob done? Bob Lazar was a former scientist, according to him. He was a former scientist. He worked at Area 51. They brought him in because he was a scientist

and because he knew a lot about propulsion propulsion systems and and theoretical propulsion systems he's like i guess he's a physicist or something like that i don't know what is his background as far as his education because it's in dispute there's a lot of people that say that he fudged his education shit who knows however this guy says that he was working in area 51 and he was was working on something. They brought him in to back-engineer a UFO. They brought him in, and they took him to some... This is him right here. They took him to some hangar that has...

I bet that guy gets mad chicks. Well, dude, it's not about that. What I'm saying is this dude was working on what they were explaining to him, nothing. But what he believed over time was that what he was working on was back Engineering a UFO from another world damn. Do you believe him? He is skeptical him the most convincing of all the people that have ever heard discussed these things really the most convincing all the He said all down. He doesn't anti-gravity and how it works and everything. He doesn't seem like an idiot at all.

He definitely seems like a fucking very, very, very intelligent dude. He doesn't seem like he's lying. Has he wrote lots of books? No, I don't believe so. I don't know how many books he's written. But I'm too dumb to know whether or not he's stupid. Me too. I don't know enough.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm too dumb. Like, he sounds right, but it could be like some martial arts guy that's talking all kinds of mad nonsense about what his, you know, his qigong is going to do to you if you get near him. And if you're not in that world, you're like, shit, son. Yeah, my friend knows a guy with a qigong. Yeah. Fucking puts it on your chest, man. That's where we're at right now.

There's guys that believe that. So if someone speaks well enough, we sort of, like like assume they know what the fuck they're talking about. And I listened to him talk and he sounds like he knows what the fuck he's talking about. It's a very compelling story. Has he made any money off saying any of this? I'm sure he has. I would imagine,

you know, there's all you, if you really want to get into it, you would have to Google it. Cause I haven't really read about it in about seven or eight years. I kind of put it behind me. I kind of decided somewhere along the line, there was no fruit in this pursuit because they couldn't figure out whether or not he had lied about his educational background

They couldn't figure out whether or not he had actually worked for the government, but then he found out easy, right? Well, they found out that he did work for one of the labs that he said he worked for He worked for like Los Alamosamos they did find out that that was true so how the fuck did he get that job if he didn't have like a super high level education but who knows what the fuck he was doing there when he's working there true people that are like real scientists have a lot of doubts about all the shit that he said that's pretty much enough for me but if i just want to have fun i want to pretend that it's true. If I want to pretend, because it is fun to pretend. Hell yeah, dude.

And there's so much footage of him being interviewed and explaining how it all works. He's an amazing actor if he's full of shit. I'm just too stupid to understand that. He could easily be full of shit, but fuck, this guy's good. He's super smart. It sounds like he knows what he's talking about when he's discussing anti-gravity. But when you say all these other scientists are coming out and being like, this dude's full of shit. Well, when I say that.

They could also be haters. Like Stanton Friedman. Yeah, he's probably a bit of a hater. But he makes some good points, man. The guy's got to produce. When you say you graduated from fill in the blank, MIT or whatever it is, you should be able to display a degree. Do you have a degree or are you in their records? And if you're not in their records and if you can't display a degree,

then I have to dispute everything you've said. I agree. If you're lying about a degree. But is it possible that, especially we're talking about something a long time ago, is it possible that someone could go back to the records at that school and scrub him from the records? Come on, man. Here's why it's not possible.

Yearbooks. True. Someone produced a yearbook. Why wouldn't one of just his classmates be like, yeah, I was in class with him? Yeah. Someone would come out and be like, I was in class with that fucking Doris. Yeah, well, he should be able to name his professors. Exactly.

And he can't, huh? I don't know. I don't know. I'm calling bullshit. Yeah, from what I have read, I would say he hasn't. But who knows how much of what I've read is the truth or what Eddie was saying. Because I know if I graduate from Harvard, I have a fucking Harvard shirt on right now. You guys would hear about it nonstop.

Do you ever hear the Eliza Schlesinger story about Yale? No, she's a friend of mine, though. Google it. Eliza Schlesinger. She's a friend of mine, though. No, no, no, it's a friend of mine though Google it Eliza Schlesinger She's a friend of mine though No, no, no, it's not bad for her It's, she dated this guy Oh

That was pretending he was from Yale She did tell me this story on the podcast Holy shit, it's ridiculous She got catfished And the dude said he was from Yale Not just catfished Like this dude made up a story about his mom having cancer This dude made up his job

House Made up his house Made up that he was rich When he's really like $100,000 in debt. Yeah. He wasn't even at broke. He made a Facebook profile or what?

I don't know what he did. He wasn't even a caffage. He's just a fucking compulsive liar. And then he got a credit card and take her out to like fancy dinners and shit, but he racked up all this money on a credit card where he didn't have the money. Dude, he was on an airplane with her. Guy's a hero in my book. Just kidding.

He was on an airplane. Well, she's not dumb, which is really weird. Hell no. She's a sharp girl. Well, that's what's really weird about it. It's like, how did you get caught with this? Like, how did you, I mean, I guess you don't, I mean, this seems like so many lies. Like, you didn't get tripped up anywhere? I mean, what was he telling the truth about?

You know? She said, she said, though though he would lie about his mom being sick or dying And so she didn't want to get too into it So it's like a wall makes sense, you know, like you don't want to dive into someone's mom dying, right? But the guy was smart, but people were full of shit or they for the foolish I mean how good was this guy in regular conversation? Must be great Raphael Torrey Raphael Torrey Eddievo and i both have a story about a guy that was completely full of shit he was a fake black belt that's awesome

of total fake black belt and when eddie first introduced me to him he was a reporter for websites he was going and doing these uh the early mma reporting and he would do like gonzo journalist questions i think they were describing it reporting and he would do like gonzo Journalist questions I think they were describing it as like he would ask dudes if they like fucking girls in the butt like weird weird weird questions And he was telling everybody that he was a black belt in jiu-jitsu and then Eddie rolled with him and Eddie was like man I don't know. I mean, maybe he's just like going really light No, no, he was smart he was was smart. He said that he was half Brazilian, half Italian, and his dad

who's Brazilian was a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. And that he knew all the old guys, but he came from the Judo side, so he was smart. He said, we were more Judo guys. We were old school Jiu-Jitsu than my dad gave me a black belt when I was 18 or whatever. And we're not as good as, like, nowadays

Jiu-Jitsu is so complex and so evolved. We're not that good. I'll admit that. Was he just terrible? I'm a black belt, but I'm old school black belt. So he was smart. So it was believable. I bet he was so nervous when he had to roll with you.

Did you roll with him too, Joe? No, I never rolled with him. I wasn't really good friends with him. Eddie was. I mean, you weren't even good friends with him. But I only hung out with him. We worked together. On what?

He was a writer for the underground he was like the main writer yeah for the ug and he was always at shows that I would commentate like king of the cage I was still riding for him no he's in jail for murder this is where it gets really escalated oh dude This is where it gets really crazy. So I'll take you back to when Eddie exposed him. And Eddie, we were driving back from like King of the Cage. Where were we driving back from? One of those MMA fights way out in the middle of nowhere. It wasn't that I exposed him.

Well, he was already exposed. Yeah, he was already exposed. I was the last one. You know, dudes pulled me to the side and said this and that. I mean, in a phone call to his face. Yes. I mean, you basically confronted him. Yes.

It was pretty intense. Yeah. But it was a pretty intense call. We were driving. I was driving, and Eddie was right next to me. I was like, oh, shit. Yukon Denali at the time. I barely remember the conversation. I barely remember.

I was like oh shit. Oh shit. Yeah, you were going dude, dude, dude, stop lying to me. Stop lying to me. Really? You are not a black belt in jujitsu. Did he admit it? Dude, you are. Listen to me. Listen to me. You're a fucking liar. You're lying. Damn, Eddie went hard on him.

You're lying. You're lying. You're not a black belt in jujitsu. Do you know how crazy it is that you tell me you're a black belt in jujitsu? How are you going to lie to Eddie Bravo about jujitsu? It was pretty crazy. And you could hear him stammering and stuttering. I was trying to lean in.

For sure put that on speakerphone. I wish I could remember all the shit that you said, but you broke it down in an undeniable way. So then he killed a guy. You're a crazy person. Then he went on to kill him? Eddie Bravo cuts the guy off. Okay. He cuts him off, and then our friend Gerald Strebent, who was Eddie's first black belt, right?

No, Danny Probogos was your first black belt. When was Gerald Strebent? He was my... Gerald Strebent was your first black belt. When was Gerald? Gerald Strebent was my first, before I even had a school, he was my first student that did MMA. There was no thought of 10th Planet. I was just showing Gerald Strebent some jiu-jitsu.

I was commentator for King of the Cage, and that's how I met Gerald. He was Raphael's student. Crazy. So Eddie comes and teaches him some real shit. Has a bunch of real fights. He gets contacted by this guy. The guy wants him to kill

his girlfriend's husband. He tells Gerald he wants him to kill his girlfriend's husband. He's going to give him a certain amount of money. Gerald's like, what the fuck? So Gerald goes to the cops. No, Gerald goes to the cops after he killed himself. The guy killed himself, choked him. Apparently had him come meet him at the gym, choked him to death, killed him,

and then was seen driving around in his car. What a dumbass. Dude, it's crazy. Maybe he was a legit cop. Driving around in homeboy's car. Well, I don't think so. You don't have to be to know how to rear naked choke somebody. You know, you sneak up behind some fucking fat ass who doesn't work out at all,

and you get a hold of his neck. I mean, he wasn't, like, completely inept as a martial artist. You know, he was like kind of an amateur martial artist. Like, there's some videos of him throwing a spinning back kick on a pad. They're kind of hilarious. It's kind of hilarious. It really is like, you know like you getting a hold of Duncan and teaching Duncan spinning back kicks

for a couple weeks and then having him hit the pad. It's fucking preposterous. What's weird is this guy's been lying the whole time and then he kills a guy with a jitsu move. This is where it gets crazy. He kills a guy and then he gives Gerald a gun to bury. Before that, though,

before the murder, he set up a fake fight in King of the Cage. Oh, that's right. Against this big Samoan guy. It was totally fake. And they kept their mouth shut. They made it happen. So he ends up getting this big, giant Samoan guy in the shittiest kneebar

ever. He just taps him. It's like a kneebar that's like that and the guy just starts tapping. And he won. And this fight was his comeback fight He told everybody he was 14-0 in MMA But they were all undocumented fights Dude I commentated that fight And I was saying Raphael Tora returns to MMA

To defend his undefeated record I said shit like that He had everyone doomed I'll take it to the next level He wasn't 14-0 he never fought ever I'll take it to theoked. I'll take it to the next level. He had everybody joked. He wasn't 14 and 0. He never fought ever. I'll take it to the next level. This guy's awesome.

I'll take it to the next level. He had a friend drive him out to the woods, and he brought with him a giant duffel bag. He told his friend, drive me out to the woods. I'm about to compete in a no rules kumite. If I win, I'm going to make a lot of money. I'll come back with first place. This is Oregon. This is a true story. Yeah, so he says to the dude, come back tomorrow.

Okay. This was a newspaper journalist, a newspaper writer. He took the local guy, a newspaper writer, and goes, I haven't told anybody, but I'm going to in the woods, there's going to be this kumite. Dude, what's wrong with this fucking kumite? He goes, but I need you, I want you to write the story on this, but there's going to be this kumite. Dude, what's wrong with this fucking kumite? He goes, but I need you.

I want you to write the story on this, but you're going to drop me off. I can't show you where it's going to be. So the newspaper writer drops him off in the middle of nowhere in the woods, and he says, come back for me in two days, right? And the guy had a big duffel bag with him, right? With something long in it, right? So the guy comes back two days later and picks him up. So he was like camping out there, right? He had like camping equipment. He came up and then he had this giant trophy says I won the kumite. Oh my god

That motherfucker packed it So so What does the writer do naturally he writes a story on it? He takes that story frames it and, and puts it up at his school. Fuck. That's so bananas. Proof. Proof that it happened.

It was in the newspaper. That's so goddamn bananas. That's fucking crazy. He's a genius. At least you got a legit fighter coming out right now. He's a genius. Dude, Crow Cobb. Crow Cobb's got a lot of redness on his nose.

First of all, we don't know if he didn't go to Akuma Tang. No, we do. There's no evidence. No, we do. There's no evidence that he didn't. But we do. So let me wrap this story up real quick. So Gerald calls me and tells me that the guy gave him the gun or something like that. I forget what the conversation was.

I was like, what? Huh? Jesus fucking Christ. And then Gerald gets a hold of the cops. And apparently they were tapping his phone phone so the cops call me and they want to know what I know about the murder And I explained to like a look I know almost nothing what I know is what you know Gerald told me because the guy was They were listening in on our conversation So to say what I know is what Gerald told I told him everything

I know what Gerald told me the guy's a crazy liar. He's a fake black belt I don't know if he really killed the guy or not like it's very conceivable. This guy's so fucking crazy He made that up to he might not even killed somebody at this point at least I think this It's pretty much proven that he killed the guy now fuck but so he's Come on don't bring me to court cuz I met Raphael Torri at Eddie's house. Don't make me do this, man. Don't drag me into this. And then it gets even darker because Gerald killed somebody one day.

Fuck sakes, man. Gerald killed somebody like a year ago in a traffic-related incident. Some guy and him were having some road rage incident and it got physical. Gerald was actually on the phone with 911-1-1 and he fucking shot this dude and now he's in jail and uh he's on trial right now dude gerald some guy

tried to run him off the road some guy was drunk gerald wasn't drunk i mean the guy that was shot was drunk he rammed him like he stopped his car pulled it in reverse and rammed him like they were having like some road rage incident and that guy was drunk Gerald gets out of his car he lives in Oregon he has a rifle he has his rifle and the guy's talking shit and he's coming for him and Gerald start this he's like on the other side of the car calling 911 said you know don't get near me dude I'm calling 911 don't get near me the guy's talking shit the guy to him, and Gerald thought he had a gun, too, and he pulled it out, and he shot him.

Oh, God. Damn. Is that what Gerald told you? Yeah. That's what he told you? That was the conversation you guys had? That's not self-defense, though? That is self-defense.

Seems like it should be. It is self-defense. How long is he in prison for? I don't know. That's exactly how it happened. The guy was drunk. He runs him off the road. He rams him.

Right. He pulls out a gun. That's all you need to hear. He gets out with his gun, going, what the fuck? This guy's nuts the guy's coming for him he was drunk gerald shot him he was on nine nine one one saying i got this crazy guy who's uh who just tried to run me off the road i'm standing right here you know and the guy kept coming to go stand back i think people are boom two people are basing the possibility that gerald

might have been uh more of an instigator based on some of the things that he wrote on Facebook apparently he had written something about like get out of my way when you're on the road or something about some and they'd been involved in some other sort of road rage type incident but but who the fuck knows man and also we have to deal with the fact that Gerald we know for a fact experienced a lot of uh action overseas yeah oh really served and then he came back and did some tours for like one of those um stuff you know what do they call them contractors oh like blackwater shit yeah he did a couple of those

to finance his um to finance his gym. You know, so there's that. And that's undeniable, man. That fucks with a person's head, man. 100%. And when you're thinking about a person in an aggressive type situation and you've been in war before, you're used to people trying to kill you and you've got to kill them first, and Gerald is in a different place.

He's in a different place than the average person. So the average person that says, you know, hey, you can't consider the fact that he was you know in the war and he had PTSD That's bullshit. That does mean something. No, I'm saying it does. They know I agree with you It should be like listen man. He's under a different set of rules There's some people that there's big misconceptions about martial artists that a true martial artist would have Not used the gun would have used as martial arts to handle the situation But that's all bullshit the more martial arts you you learn the more

You know you need a goddamn gun in your house You need some guns because you your martial arts the more you learn it you realize that's last resort when it's a life-and-death Situation if it's in a sport or you or a controlled environment, that's one thing. But Gerald thought the guy had a gun. The guy tried to run him off the road. He's got a gun. You're not going to drop your gun and double leg him and try to arm him. No, hell no.

That's tough, man. If that's how the story went, that's tough. If I have a gun and there's some crazy shit going down, guy's drunk. I'm going to shoot you in the dick. I'm going to shoot you. I'm shit going down, guys drunk, I'm going to shoot you in the face. There ain't going to be no rear naked choke. Who knows if this guy has a gun? You don't know. That's tough, man. If that's exactly how it went down, I agree with you 100%.

Obviously, I'm not questioning anything, but I was not there. I don't know enough about it. He was on 911 when this happened. That's tough. He was reporting the situation before the shot. The shot is actually caught on 911 on the call. So that's a crazy case then. Why do they have him in jail still?

If that's exactly how it was happening, if he really did deal with a madman. And as a veteran, you'd think they'd show him a little leeway. Who knows? Maybe the other guy was a veteran too. No, no. There was history of past road rage. But that has nothing to do with this. Just because you have a history of past road rage... It depends. If he shot like six motherfuckers previous,

then we have a problem. If he's shooting people, yes. But there are no records of that. Damn. 35 versus 40. Wow. All right. This is it. The main event, ladies and gentlemen. Main event.

The fucked up shit is they got him in solitary confinement this whole time. It's already been over a year, and the trial don't start until January, and he's in solitary. It's fucking bullshit, man. Wow. Aaron Hernandez murdered like 19 people. He's chilling. Why are they pulling in solitary they're fucking they're just railroading him man why do they do that something

has to be going on we have to be missing a piece of the story i feel like he's getting this fucked over so they're trying to say that uh there's a that he has you know people have said he's been involved in road rage before i don't know if it's, like, documented officially, but it has something to do with that. But that has nothing to do with this situation. It's tough, man. The dude was drunk. The guy that got killed, he was wasted. Gerald was not drunk, was not wasted.

He was coming from the supermarket. These are all facts. He had him on 911. He was talking. He was on 911, telling the guy to back off back off He keeps walking towards me back off and then he he popped him Jesus Christ I mean, it's it's on the it's on the record. So they're fucking a man. They're they're totally fucking him. That's he's in solitary Feel like we're missing a piece of the story who Who knows? We don't know. We don't. Some people get fucked, dude.

I agree. That does happen. Some people just get fucked, and he's getting fucked. This Crow Cop Gonzaga's going to go two ways. It's either going to be one of the saddest things we've ever watched, or it's going to be a fucking classic. Well, you've got to think that Mirko wants that win back. That was one that probably haunts him.

That was his big fight in the ufc his second second event right eddie sanchez was his first fight yeah then he fought gonzaga it's for a title shot too winner that was in your time shot damn that's crazy randy was uh if you remember randy was cage side he was like man i'd rather fight Krokop. Gabriel Gonzaga's too well-rounded, if you remember that. Wow. Gonzaga. You know what, man? There's something about Gonzaga when he walks on the scale. You know when I do the weigh-ins?

Yeah. He sounds different than everybody else. Really? Sounds like he's made out of stone. Like when he walks, it's like, thump, thump. Tell you what, man. I fought both of them. And Mirko Krokop is the strongest guy I've ever fought, bar none. Not even close.

Wow. He was like a fucking rock. Like Shane Carwin strong? Even more so. What? Like, Shane can kind of move. Really? Krokop is like moving like the thing from Fantastic Four.

It's like Krokop was made of straight rocks. Jesus Christ, really? I've heard people say the same thing about Dan Henderson, but Cro Cop, yeah. Listen, I fought a roided up fucking LeVar Johnson. He was nowhere near as strong as Cro Cop. Try giving Dan Henderson a back rub. You'd break your hand. I bet.

You will. Dan Henderson's made out of wood, dude. We have the same masseuse, and she says it's just a beast. Yeah, he's made out of wood. Yeah, man, Cro Cop was so strong. That's interesting, man. Crazy, right? Well, he developed a lot of really good takedown defense in Pride.

If you look at his first fights in Pride, like the first fight with Vandele, when they had those special moves, beautiful right hand. Gonzaga's tightened up his boxing a lot, man. Yeah, he has. Well, you've got to remember, too, it's Crow Cop early in his career. He flew out Verdum before Verdum was really anything to work on his grappling. Yeah. That was his grappling coach.

Oh, shit, man. That right hand's fighting a home. That's not good. What do you think about this fight, if you had a guess, before it started? I never pick against Crow Cop, man. He's one of my heroes. But just objectively, analytically. Objectively, Gonzaga's been fighting in the UFC for, you know,

at a lot longer, higher level. Krokop really hasn't. Gonzaga's looking very fast here, too. He does. That double right hand. It just seems like Krokop over his last few fights, he just doesn't pull the trigger. He's coming off two wins against Ishii.

Obviously, that was in Japan. Yeah, but Ishii's much smaller than him, too. Ishii's shorter. Ishii's every bit of 260 pounds. What? Ishii's a judo gold medalist. I train with Ishii. Ishii's a fucking nightmare.

Come on, is he 260 for real? 260. I think he might, when he's in crazy shape, get down to 245. That's insane. I had no idea. I thought he was about 205. Fuck no. Ishii is thick.

That's crazy. Super thick. And for him to beat Ishii twice, I don't know how tough Ishii is, man. He's a fucking monster. Good kick to the body by Gonzaga. Mirko's not pulling the trigger that much. He's not. He doesn't want to kick because he doesn't want to get taken down

He knows if he gets taken down He's in big trouble Some of the best takedown defense ever in the UFC What did they say? He's 4th all-time heavyweight I think I tried taking Gonzaga And I tried double-hugging him My face hit the ground so fast He sprawled every bit of fucking

Whatever it is, 260 on my little neck crocups a Bit tentative and gold saga keeps doing that that lunging double right hand micro cop just look at the clock It's a bad sign man. We're fucking 230 into it Well, maybe he had a plan of waiting into the round before you open you don't think his corner could speak in croatia There's deep deep deep double. double. Ooh, he's going to pass. Half a guard. Krokop's guard retention is pretty good.

It's not that bad. He's very good defense, man, yeah. It's not that bad, but this motherfucker's heavy. Oh, heavy and a world champ. Yeah, world champ, legit black belt. Legit black belt. Elite level. If you can get Gonzaga down from his back,

he's not such a threat But on top man That's his game Yeah He's got a lockdown in Look at this Strong control Can't get out of that Fucking half guard huh

Just gotta be careful The explosion The explosion Is still there This is trouble man Crow Cop's always been Like real explosive Crazy explosive

I remember I had Crow Cop in guard And he got his feet On my hip And then just straight Oh man Zoe's been like real explosive. Crazy explosive. I remember I had Crow Cop in guard and he got his feet on my hip. Oh, wow. Couldn't get any worse. Nice rifle. Good luck getting out of there. And this is what he's worried about too is the elbows. He was talking about this, that that was the big difference in the first fight. And he said that MMA probably should get rid of elbows because it causes a lot of blood and people don't want to see blood.

And focus less on the ground. I thought that was crazy. That's ridiculous. That didn't make any sense at all. Oh, look at that. rid of elbows because it causes a lot of blood and people don't want to see blood and and focus less on the ground i thought that was crazy that's ridiculous that didn't make any sense at all oh look at that that was a nice damn look at this i'll show you how he's tapping he's tapping he's tapping he's tapping not yet damn i thought he was ready to tap as he went down me too it looked like he was tapping oh i'm not mad at these scrambles. Haymaker in the guard. I thought he was tapping. I couldn't see his hand.

But it looked like he was reaching for it right away. That was a bad position. That was nasty. That was a funky angle on the knee. I want to see that again. This Gonzaga using his grappling. He's going to be tough to beat, man. I'm impressed with the Crow Cop recovering and getting back to full guard, if you ask me. I agree.

He was mounted, and now he's not mounted anymore? Yep. And he almost got his leg ripped apart. That's a sign that he could recover. He could bump him off the mount several times. Krokop worked with Verdum and Dean Lister for years. For a long, long time, man. His defense is going to be solid.

Yeah, he's well-trained. He's not easy gets to submit man He's just Not at the level where he can attack. No. Mm-hmm. I don't think he wants to be either Well against this guy he went for that heel hook man. That's pretty nasty tap Randleman to remember He's true yet. Yeah back in the design. I Think when crow cop goes in the fight That's the least of his concerns is submitting somebody that was the second fight after random and KO to remember that shit. Yeah, it's Christ Randleman Lunged in and crack those my days man. They were crazy

I don't know if we'll ever see better fighting than then they're wild man And you know what is one of the wild west he didn't know who the fuck was gonna fight until about a week out Yeah, yeah, it's like oh sweet man. And you know what? One of the wild things, he didn't know who the fuck was going to fight until about a week out. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, sweet, man. They were constantly adding. It was like an ice house show. And just epic.

They were constantly adding fighters. I put together those ice house shows like four days out. How cool those days were. You had two giant, legit MMA organizations. For the fans, it was the ultimate. Went back and forth. Pretty amazing. UFC.

Look at this knee. Look at this knee. And Pride. Steps over. Oh, right there. Oh, no. He wasn't looking to tap at all. He was looking to get that arm under the leg.

Yeah. Damn. It wasn't as threatening as I thought it was. In the scramble, it looked pretty wild. But it wasn't as threatening as I thought it was. In the scramble, it looked pretty wild, but it wasn't as close as I thought it was. I'll tell you what, if any guy has cardio issues between these two, it's Gonzaga. He's always had some issues when he sits later in the rounds. Do you think that's because of training at Team Link and not training at ATT or something like that? Not getting pushed enough, probably.

When you're always a bully, when you're on top, it's easy to go three rounds. Try being on bottom getting the worst case Scenario, you know getting bad positions, right? You got to get used to moving in those positions whereas you're not tired, right? And you're developing technique and you're developing endurance when you're moving in those positions when you're tired Yeah And that's something that people kind of don't know until they get in there and do it and you're not gonna panic Yeah, like I'm sure crow crop was in mount during camp. You didn't panic down there And that's something that people kind of don't know until they get in there and do it. And you're not going to panic.

Like, I'm sure Crow Crop was in Mount during camp. He didn't panic down there. He got out of it. Got back to guard. Yeah. But if Gonzaga can get him to the ground like that again. He's in trouble. Yeah.

It's interesting, man. You got to. He is one of those. I mean, we're watching him in the main event right now. So obviously everything's going well. But he's one of those guys you got to wonder, what if he did go to Jackson's? What if he did? That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, what if he did when he was... With his skill set? Really young. How good he is with stand-up? Woo! Ducked under that kick. Beautiful. Oh, good luck. Oh, nice knee to the body.

You're not taking him down against the cage, son. Oh, dude, nasty knee to the body. You're not taking him down against the cage. Oh, did that one go to the junk? Yeah, hit him right in that croak up, dude. Do you remember the one with Czech Congo? Remember that one? What?

That was attack against dicks. It really was. An assault on dicks. Crow cop against the cage is not happening. You got to take him down in the open, man. That was our game plan. God, I just don't like that. Crow Cop looks like he's just going to eat a right hand at any second.

He could. That double right hand is what Gonzaga's, ooh, missed again. Oof. You know what I liked about Gonzaga's leg attack was he was completely safe from being punched. That was an angle. He jumped on that foot, and that was a safe position. If he would have cranked it a little better or had a better angle at it. Because usually you see when guys

go for leg locks or knee bars, they're usually eating punches. It all depends on the angle. Especially if you shoot up for a leg lock and the guy's still standing. If he has strong base. Look at this. Boom! Beautiful. God damn. Tested the flexibility

That's an old-school move the making you do the splits yeah super old-school just lifted that leg up like it wasn't shit Right just fucking get out of here The fuck out of here. He's so fucking strong, man. He's a beast. And in this top position. Because Krokop, even laying under there, is going to eat those fucking body shots. He's going for that. For sure. Go for the finish, though, Gonzaga.

Let's see what we can do here. He's going to smush his face. Five rounds, 25 minutes. Good pressure on the mouth. He can see what we can do here. Gonzaga's going to smush him. He's going to smush his face. Five rounds, 25 minutes. Good pressure on the mouth. He can't breathe for shit right here. Just wearing them out. Yeah, he can't breathe for shit right here. That's what Crow Cop does, man.

He hangs on, hangs on. You go to posture up, he gets the fuck out. But Gonzaga is fucking heavy. Look at this. Look at this. Beautiful, my friend. Ooh, got a little punch in himself. So that must have been a big part of his strategy.

He must have knew he would be here. He would attack that leg to try to get a better position. Not bad. But still, Gonzaga, tough to shake. He's going to be tough on top. And he also knows that he's robbing Mirko of his vitality. Every time he smushes his face like that, covers his ale hole. Plus, if you're a jiu-jitsu world champion, this is a walk in the park, being on top position here.

Yep, yep, yep. And then he just gets him out. Look at that transition, man. The exact same path to the mount. Yep. He's so slick with it, too, man. See how there's no air there? Grape finds the legs.

He was like, I don't even need to bother with side control. I'll go right to the mount on this dude. Do you see how there was no air in his transition? Just so smooth. Super snug. Oh, God. It's artistic. Now, if you're a crow cop, you can only get mounted so many times. Because he explodes to get out of it? Yeah, man.

It's a lot of gas to burn, huh? To get a 265-pound world champ off you is going to be tough. And as Hoist Grace would always say, he's cooking them right now, you know By wearing them out like this before you sure don't shine by this mount I hate when guys on the bottom amount try to punch do fucker you doing mount look at this goddamn mount Well that striker though, dude

They feel like any there's time they have a chance to pop your chin a dude knocked a guy out from the mountain before Yeah, Japan knocked him out cold. Well, how about you Ryan dude knocked a guy out from the mountain before yeah, Japan knocked him out cold Well, how about you Ryan Hall knocked a dude out from his guard remember that on the show who who this? Trying to set up the was he setting up an arm bar It's a good move He's a beast dude. He is Dickens. I'm gonna shave his back. Look at this. He's looking for the No, it's still there looking for the Americana He is a beast. Did Gonzaga shave his back? Look at this. He's looking for the... No, it's still there. Looking for the Americana.

Oh, a little blood on Gonzaga's head. Where's that coming from? Boom. Good elbow. Oh, Jesus. Boom. Great elbow. You know, it's interesting that Krokop was always hot open.

Oh, he's going... It's interesting that he's setting up a triangle. Krokop was talking about it. He didn't like the cuts because he didn't like the blood from the elbow. And this is what's fucking him's interesting that he's setting up a triangle that crow cop was talking about I didn't like the cuts because he didn't like the blood from the this is what's fucking about. Let's get them boom boom Transition put control by Gonzaga look at them fucking ferocious. Hey, man. That's some ferocious control That that is exactly crow cop was saying that he thinks needs to change about MMA. Grappling and the elbows. Gonzaga just said, oh, I know what you don't like. Fuck, man.

That's a bad cut. But the only type of person that says that about grappling and elbows is the type of person that doesn't want to get that happen to them. As far as him being able to do it to someone, of course he would want to be able to do it. If that was his game, he'd be all about it. Damn, that'd be cool if that made it. Beautiful. Didn't he mount somebody before and fuck them up from the mount? Crow Cop?

Yeah. Pat Barry. He mounted somebody, right? Yeah, Pat Barry mounted in his back, right? Look at this takedown. And then he choked Pat Barry with one arm. Boom. He kicked out the leg.

Did he kick out the right leg? Or he kicked out the left leg? He tripped him. He picked it up and then tripped out the left leg. Nice. Look at this ferocious ground and pound. Just nasty control. Look at this.

Boom! That was the one that cut him open. Dude, the control Gonzaga had. Once he gets on top, man, that's nasty control. If Crow Cop were to lose this fight, you think he fights again in the UFC? That's a good question. I mean, they love him. He's still a star. He's still a legend. He's still, you know, like one of the most important guys in the history of

MMA. Ever. He's my favorite fighter of all time. But at what point does the UFC say, you know what, we're good? Well, he definitely is not going to fight Gonzaga next unless he beats him. I mean, if he KOs him right here, we stop talking. If he fucking headkicks Gonzaga right here, we stop talking. He's a great guy for the UFC to open new markets in Europe, right? You want to have a UFC in the Ukraine or something? Boom. Open up a headliner with Krokop.

He's still got a few fights left in him. Well, if he wants to fight again in Croatia, even if he's not the main event, they'll still sell the motherfucker out. Sell out. He's a national hero. He's a goddamn national hero over there. And, like we said, undeniable, one of the legends of the game.

Gonzaga with a big takedown. Defense. Krokop, perhaps a little confidence. He's just looking to jab, though. Not too many left hands. No, no power shots, man. Got to see him open up with that kick, maybe even to the body. Gonzaga gets right hand happy, though.

Mm-hmm. Gonzaga's slowing down Yeah it's a tough third round man He put a lot of pressure on him Yeah held him down Beat on him but he definitely took Way less damage So

If he's tired right here Dude if he's tired I could see Crow Cop winning this You never know You never know With three minutes to go you never know Bro three minutes to go, you never know. Bro, three minutes to go and you got two more rounds, bro. You got to remember it's five rounders. Oh, that's right.

I just got so excited. And he's failed in his last two takedown attempts. Haven't worked. I'm telling you, man, against the cage, save your fucking energy. Don't do it. This is all Crow Cop. This is his game, man. He fucked me up against the cage.

Knee to the body by Gonzaga. While he had his back on the cage? Cro Cop looking to take him down. Oh, oh, look at this. Cro Cop looking way better. Fail. Dude, Cro Cop's looking way better. He's looking way better.

That was a good scramble right there. Oh, good left hand by Cro Cop. Oh, another one. Cro Cop's elbows. Oh, oh. Did he rock them? Yes. Gonzaga's hurt. Oh, good left hand by Cro Cop. Oh, another one. Cro Cop's elbows. Oh, oh. Did he rock them? Yes. Gonzaga's hurt.

Oh, shit. Oh, uppercut. Yeah. Oh. Come on, Cro Cop. Oh, I think he got him, son. What's wrong with Gonzaga? He's getting hit, dude.

Oh, he got hit again. He should have let him. Nah, don't let him hit. Holy shit. Yeah. Holy shit. He should have stood over him in like a horse dance and punched. He shouldn't have got on his knees.

Especially with a jiu-jitsu guy like this. He's going to fucking chill here now, man. He's got a posture. Holy shit, what a turnaround. Great turnaround. What a goddamn turnaround. Even if this was only a three-rounder with two minutes to go, you could still finish him here.

Oh, shit. Oh, big elbow. I'm not mad at those elbows to the gut. Oh, shit. And you got to think, this is a real striker throwing from tight quarters. He might not be able to use his body, but guaranteed, he generates way more power than the average person in his positions. And accuracy, man.

Oh. Those are some. Those are hard. Oh. Oh, shit. Oh. Oh, shit. Oh, my goodness.

Oh, what a goddamn turnaround. Holy shit. Those are ferocious. That's it. Gonzaga's face is fucked up. Oh, shit. Oh, my goodness. Oh, what a goddamn turnaround. Holy shit. Those are ferocious. That's it. That's it. That's it. Oh! Mirko Krokop is back.

We got a classic on our hands. Dude, holy shit. Holy shit. What a destruction. That was some of the best elbows from the guard in MMA ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.

That's where he should be. He should be taking dudes down and staying in their guard. Holy shit. Does he have some nasty... That's where the fire comes. How ironic is it that grappling and elbows are what won him the fight? Won the fight. And that's what he's complaining about.

What? That's so crazy. And we were just talking about that. Yes. Would you put any money off you said hey? Crow cops gonna take he's gonna get some Gonzaga's guard and elbow the shit I'm thinking it started with that elbow stand. Yes, look at it to a short elbow and tight look I just hurt right there. Just trying to hang on watch this

Boom oh that was ferocious and then another one. Oh dude miracle can throw some goddamn elbows Velocious. Another one. Oh, dude. Miracle can throw some goddamn elbows. Dude, he shattered my nose like that. Boom. Exact same area. Oh, my God.

Look at this. Hammer, hammer, hammer. Boom, boom, boom. What a fucking turnaround. We got to see some of those elbows from the guard. Miracle Cro Cop has heart. Fuck. What heart that guy has.

The dog is still down. His face is pretty jacked up. That's his new spot. His new spot is in the guard. What fucking heart to come back from that. What a great win for Mirko, man. Look at how the sport has evolved. The sport has evolved.

The best place for the best striker ever to be is in the guard throwing those strikes. In the guard throwing those goddamn strikes. That's where he needs to be is in the guard throwing those strikes. In the guard throwing those goddamn strikes. That's where he needs to be. But you think about it, on the ground, he can generate power in real short areas. He evolved into Mark Coleman. It all comes back to Mark Coleman, the wrestler. It all comes back to him.

Wow, that was incredible. They showed Gonzalez stumbling in the back. He's still not right, man. That was incredible. This is the only guy I would never instruct to pass the guard. Don't pass. Stay in the guard. Jump in the guard.

Damn. Look at Gabriel. Wow. That's a scar you can wear for life. What a big victory for Crow Cop. What a big victory. Well, now they're one and one. Do they do it again?

The trilogy? They might. They very well Cop. What a big victory. Well, now they're one and one. Do they do it again? The trilogy? Jesus, they might. They very well might. They very well might. That's three in a row for Gonzaga. Does he get cut? What does he say?

Hold on. Great suit, Hardy. What'd he say? What is that? What? What? What? There's no translator. Two rounds. Two rounds.

Just to stay calm. And we believe, really we believe, that third round or fourth will be the last one. Wow. That was that first fight. Those elbows that he landed on you in the first fight. Those, oh, look at that nice uppercut too. Amazing. Oh my God. Boom. Look at this. Boom. Boom.

Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Ferocious. Legend, son. He is such a bad motherfucker. What if he just goes on a tear on everyone who beat him Air Force One Croatia style

Hell yeah One or two weeks I'll take a rest and train again Monster. One or two weeks, I'll take a rest and train again. Monster. Now, if anybody had ever told him to retire after his losses, you know, he would have missed out on this glory, right? Right. That's why you can't retire, Joe. But what do you think is the balance between a guy like this

who is just going to press on and still, at times like tonight, be spectacularly successful, or a guy like Jamie Varner, who says, you know what, I think it's over. But a guy like Crow Cobb, what's left for him to do? That's true. What's left? Well, he obviously loves this as much as anything in life. And this moment right now is going to be, like,

one of the greatest moments that he'll ever remember. And he overcame some serious adversity. He might retire. Look at that, son. Best ever. Most finishes in UFC, Pride, WEC, and Strikeforce ever. 22. Vanderlei right on his tail.

Anderson behind that. Shogun back in the day. 16. Wow. That's nuts, man. All Pride Wow. That's nuts, man. All pride guys. That's nuts. What a legend that guy is.

You go back to his highlight reel in Pride, though. None better. No one had a better highlight reel of finishes that kicked to the body on Heath Herring. We showed it on this podcast before. But it was like he went halfway into his body with that round kick. He's insane, man. You think about the guys he's beat, especially in the prime. He beat Josh Barnett twice.

He beat Mark Hunt. He beat Wanderlei. He lost to Fedor. Still, man. Yeah, Fedor was the guy. Decision. He lost to Minotauro, but Minotauro had the best chin in the world at the time. And Krokop hit him with everything but the kitchen sink.

And the head kicked him at the end at the time and crow cop hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and head kicked him at the end of the first round and When the when the round ended no Gara thought for a second that they had stopped the fight Mm-hmm, it's a don't stop the fight like no, it's the end of the rise I go cool went out the second round took him down an arm bar I think those were the golden years of MMA. I don't think we'll ever get it back. Well, I don't know about that Honestly, I think everybody always feels like the time that was passed was the great time. But I think the time we're looking at right now, with the exception of a few divisions,

is so much higher level than we've ever seen before. I think it's higher level, but it's just not the same. I think it's too much. I think it's too saturated. I think it's like wine, man. Anytime there's new shit, the old shit always looks better. It's with music, with everything. You could say, oh, I like early Iron Maiden, or early Motley Crue.

I don't like the new album, which would be 1988. That would be new. But now, 20 years later, that new album that came out in 1988, that's an old album, and that's a classic now. And it wasn't classic back then. I agree. What Joe's saying is right now, we're going to look back in 20 years at this point and say, holy shit. Look at all these big matches.

I don't think so. Because now, if you want to be a fighter, you can do it. There's a way to do it. When they were fighting, it was like, what the fuck? How the fuck do we make this happen? These are legends. Now, I hate to be shitty, but you have some kids coming off the Ultimate Fighter

or some girls who are 3-0 and they're on the big stage. These guys earned their fucking right. This rock and roll they play these kids these days. It's not like Boston or Black Sabbath. No, you know what I'll say? Time makes legends. Time right now. I disagree.

I guess you look at the level of experience and competition in those pride tournaments, it's a higher level than we've ever been at. I think the level is way higher now. I think back then you had three guys that could strike really good. And remember, BJ was the only guy that could box in the lightweight division. Now everybody in the prelims, they're all good strikers now. It's like the level's crazy. They're more well-rounded guys. Yeah, like,

it used to be that only a couple guys had professional footwork, but now anybody in the prelims, you can't get into the UFC unless you have professional footwork nowadays, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you can't be half-assed. And now everyone is also incorporating a lot of that, what they call, neo

footwork, that Dominic Cruz TJ Dillashaw that's the next level That's next level stuff, but I see what you're saying. It's I see what you're saying Right is like Led Zeppelin and all that shit. Yeah, but you know what I see Led Zeppelin outside of the plagiarism Accusations that are pretty significant. You just put that aside. Just look at the finished product goddamn I don't think there's anybody today that can fuck with them. They had some goddamn songs that were just so insanely good. So insanely good.

Have you heard Imagine Dragons? There's different. I mean, everybody's... Bro. I don't know what that is. There's different and there's equal. You know, there's a lot of bands that I think are on that level. But I just...

There's like a whole lot of love. I don't think there's a song that's ever been better. There's different songs. There's awesome songs that are equally awesome. But there's none better. That's just like one of the all-time greats. It's up there with Voodoo Child. Yeah.

With Hendrix, to me. I'm going back to, think of when Crow Cop was fighting Vanderlei, Mark Hunt, fucking Josh Barnett. What the fuck? God damn. Think about these guys. He fought Vanderlei and then Josh Barnett in the the fuck? God damn. Think about these guys. He fought Vanderlei and then Josh Barnett

in the same night. Same night. Think how much weight he gave up to Mark Hunt. Yeah. What the fuck? And these are in their prime. These are some of the best

that have ever done it and he's beating them. Same night. How good was goddamn Fedor back then? Because he walked down Krokop. God. That was essentially

a kickboxing bout. Yeah. When Krokop was at his very best, he hit him too, man. He fucked his nose up. He hit him with some hard shots and Fedor kept walking him down. Fedor was chasing him down the whole fight. He kept him on the heel. Kept him on his back foot all the time.

It's tough, man. Kept him backing up. Really interesting, man. That's how goddamn good Fedor was in his prime. When he was in his prime. The game just changes. It's like basketball. You look at basketball, obviously, I don't know, you guys aren't huge basketball fans. You look at basketball, like LeBron, the games change where it's kind of

like a foo-foo league now. Well, when Michael Jordan and the Bulls were there, it was a different time, man. Basketball was better. It's never going to be as good as that. Never. How can you say that, though? Athletes are getting better all the time. They're getting better but the game's changed because it's all about offense. So really no one plays defense really anymore. It's all about the dunk and stuff like that.

But no one's preventing them from like, shit's just the name of the game. They said that 20 years ago too. They're saying the exact same thing 20 years ago. Maybe I'm old school. Are you old school? I'm sorry I love Michael Jordan and a prime Mirko Krohkab. Time makes legends. Over time we're gonna look back at LeBron and say the same thing.

Yeah. Well, you'll definitely look back. He might not ever win as many championships as Michael Jordan, but already right now, you've got to put him in the same class as Michael Jordan. You've got to put him in. LeBron, come on. You've got to put him in the same class.

I think you already look at a guy like Mighty Mouse. There's never been a dude like Mighty Mouse. People don't appreciate it because he weighs 125 pounds. True. guy like Mighty Mouse, there's never been a dude like Mighty Mouse. People don't appreciate it because he weighs 125 pounds. True. But goddamn Mighty Mouse is good. He's so fucking good. He's so fucking good.

He's so fucking good. No one cares. It's hard because he's fighting little dudes and they're all 125 pounds and people don't appreciate it just from like the human being perspective

because first of all, they don't have to fight gravity as hard. They can move faster. Yeah. A guy like you, faster Yeah, a guy like you If there was a guy like you that could move like mighty mouse They would have sports scientists come in and try to figure out what the fuck you're doing You know if you if you were doing something like unusual with your training methods Everyone would start doing it if you could move like mighty mouse your heavyweight. Everybody would do it your I agree I

Kenny Florian told me that uh dc was was going out one night and this was in vegas and he sees mighty mouse talking the bouncer like bro let me in dc's like my man this is the world champion of the ufc and the guy's like really yes you know he got him in that's fucking mighty mouse man it's insane it's just those lighter weight classes well a lot of people don't know it's unfortunate but if you look at it from like the technique That's fucking Mighty Mouse, man. It's insane. It's just those lighter weight classes. Well, a lot of people don't know. It's unfortunate. But if you look at it from the technique perspective,

I always say that if you want to emulate somebody, he's the dude. He does everything perfect. If you're around the game, you appreciate it. If you're a casual fan, you don't give a fuck about the little guys. Well, he knocked out Benavidez, which in my opinion was unbelievable. Nobody ever did that before. Benavidez is a monster. He's a stud. And he cracked him with one punch.

You need a heel. You need someone that's going to come around like another Conor McGregor at 125. Aldo was in shit. Aldo, don't get me wrong. Aldo hasn't lost nine years. He's a fucking monster. He's never been bigger now that he's going to fight Conor. It's true.

It's the best thing that ever happened to Aldo is Conor. It's hard, though, to deal with the disrespect and all the stuff that he does to him. I think it's going to be trouble. I think it's going to fight Conor. It's true. It's the best thing that ever happened to Aldo is Conor. It's hard, though, to deal with the disrespect and all the stuff that he does to him. I think it's going to be trouble. I think it's going to be trouble. I think you're going to get a fucking nasty Aldo, man. Oh, you're definitely going to get a nasty Aldo. The question is, he's going to have the stamina to do that for more than one or two rounds. Look at Chad Mendes fight.

That's true. But Aldo, well, he hurt Mendes at the end of, was it the end of the first when he tagged him? The second. Was it the second? Yeah. And Mendez tagged him. But then into the third, fourth, and fifth rounds, he wound up winning a decision, and he wound up beating Mendez. But that was probably the best anybody had looked against Aldo.

It was the first time anybody ever cracked Aldo. You know how good Mendez is? Yeah. He's very good. Listen, I love Conor. Conor's my man, but Conor Mendes isn't a good fight for Conor. Well, it's interesting because he's such a fucking powerful wrestler. He's so goddamn fast.

That's the one thing we haven't seen is the powerful wrestler. But then you look at what he did to Alamos. He puts dudes away with his hands. He's fast as fuck, dude. There's no one more powerful than Mendes. He's such a stud. And like Brad a favor was saying Mendez is the biggest freak in the gym and to see Aldo take his best and still win everyone was like Jesus. Yeah, Jesus well

McGregor's even bigger than him. He's longer big boy, and he throws some nasty left hands man I agree left some power It's a lot of weight behind it and if he can get off, and if he can really impose that, like his psychological game is fucking strong. He believes in himself. Like Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston strong. I agree. It's strong in a weird way.

Like you see no cracks in it. He doesn't ever back off. He doesn't ever say anything stupid. I'm rooting for Conor. You know? He doesn't ever say, I'm going to beat you into a living death. Yeah. Remember that?

Yeah. Ken Shamrock, Tito Ortiz. It's like damn, bro. You're like, come on, man. Yeah. He never falters with his shit talking game. Itito Ortiz. It's like, damn, bro. You're like, come on, man. Yeah. He never falters with his shit-talking game. It's so powerful, it makes you deny who you are.

I think it's better for the sport if Conor wins. I don't know about all that. I don't know about all that. I do. I don't. I think if Conor loses, maybe it's good for the sport. Oh, I disagree. Why? We need that fucking pink elephant in the room.

But what if it's a good fight? What if it's a wild, what it's at a wild good fight Okay, then what do you do with Connor? Let's say you lose three match or okay buddy. I'm your rematch Well, do you just you're highlighting the rest of the division think about this division right now You got Frankie Edgar's about to fight your right here. We'll match up for Connor Either one of those guys either one cuz they can wrestle their fucking ass off Uriah Faber it would be interesting interesting, because we really haven't seen him at 145 in a few years. True.

He might be better at 145. He might be better with not cutting such an extreme amount of weight. I mean, there's a reason why he's taking this fight. Yeah, I agree. I don't think that's a you know, an excursion into 145. We didn't expect that. Nobody expected that. He's in the hunt at

135 for the title, but he doesn't want to fight his boy TJ. It's very interesting. Very interesting. And Conor's big enough where he can do super fights against Pettis. Oh, yeah. Not those same Joes. There's a lot of guys at 155 that would love to fight him.

The entire UFC wants to fight Conor. What he brings to the table, all of them want to fight him. I just think his best matchup, which this is fucking insane to say, but just style-wise, Aldo's the best matchup in the top five for him. After that, man, it's trouble because we're talking about grapplers. Well, it's going to be interesting to see if he can hang with Aldo standing. I mean, he clipped Poirier early in the fight. He did hurt him, no doubt about it, but we didn't get to see an exchange.

You know one thing about Conor that I feel that grapplers, there's a really, really good sign, and I saw it firsthand, that he has the mentality to get really, really good at jiu-jitsu. And I'll tell you why. I'm teaching class one fucking day, maybe six months ago, maybe eight months ago and uh i'm looking over at the bag in the corner someone's punching a bag in the corner and i'm teaching class and i look over i'm like is that fucking conor mcgregor hitting the bag in my gym yeah so i i walk over and i'm like hey dude the first time i ever met him said hey dude what's up what the fuck you doing here he goes oh mate you know mate that don'll say mate right that's australia okay i can't do an irish accent but i can't do any accents but he uh we said hey what's up you know i told him i'm a fan and all that and i said hey i'm just teaching you know and he goes okay

i'm just i just needed a bag to hit i was down the street at a hotel doing ufc so i go back to class within three minutes he shows up on the mat and just says we're your best guys and I said oh okay so I hooked him up with my best guys

and he just kept wanting to go with all my best guys that's amazing he's a great guy too man he's a great guy no UFC guys do that no UFC guys do that

there's a lot of hardcore grapplers and that's what they do they go from gym to gym and try to get different looks guys are looking for the best competition just looking for wars looking for different style matchups because you're you're training with the same guy all the time that's not good yeah there's a there's a 200 styles out there and you're training with three styles every day you're training with two styles every day four styles you need big giant classes

where there's so many different so you see so many where there's so many different styles. So you see so many looks. There's so many in grappling. It's endless. Conor's a brown belt. Yeah. So he showed up and you know what? That showed me that he has the mentality to, he's not afraid to grapple and train and work with whoever on the ground

to improve his grappling. That's huge. So from that point, I thought, you know what, that's why he's good. I agree. I'm a Conor fan, man. He's looking to evolve. Yeah, I'm a Conor fan as well. I think he's definitely an extraordinary human being.

I've never had a famous UFC fighter ever do that. A lot of them come by and say hi. I haven't been in there yet. They stand by on the cage and they look in. And a couple have trained, but when it came down to rolling, they didn't want to roll. Famous UFC fighters generally, I understand where they're coming from. It's ego.

It's ego, man. They train in some gym where they don't know the guys, and there's going to be cameras out, and maybe he gets tapped out by a blue belt, and then someone goes on the internet and goes, I just tapped out fucking da-da-da from the UFC. Guys in the UFC, they don't want that shit to happen. They don't want to get hurt, though, either. Because there's gyms I've been to where I'll go with tough guys, like, you know, some black

belts, some brown belts, and then there are studs in the corner waiting for me to get tired. It's like, oh, last round, let's go, and then you end up getting hurt. Yeah, that's a weird thing that people do when they sit back. I don't think they're worried about getting hurt unless they have a fight coming. Unless they have a fight coming like next week or two weeks. Then you don't grapple hard because you don't want to get hurt. But I think they don't want to get tapped.

Yeah, that's true too. I think it's both. I think it's ego and they don't want to get hurt either. But it is gross when you see dudes sitting out and waiting for you to get tired. I know. I'm like, come on, man. And then they ask you to roll. Like, you just sat out for like two rounds.

I know. What are we doing, man? You didn't even roll. Are you trying to cheat? Are you cheating? You trying to catch someone who just ran a marathon and ask you to roll. You just sat out for two rounds. You didn't even roll. Are you trying to cheat? Are you cheating? Are you trying to catch someone who just ran a marathon and ask them to race? It's weird, man.

If there's guys that all they do is leg locks, I can see a guy saying, hey, I don't want to get my legs hurt. People believe that. People believe that if you go against a guy that's going to attack your legs, you're going to get hurt. I believe that shit.

I don't believe it anymore, but I can understand that. Guys, there's dudes that are leg lock assassins. I know guys- But there's also certain dudes who hurt dudes. We know that. Yes. There's always certain dudes who hurt dudes. That's the thing.

They don't give a fuck. Well, that's the Toquino thing. That's the Paul Harris thing. They talk about that even in the gym. Yeah, man. They had a problem with him. Like, more than one gym. He can only train with his brother

What he can only really train with his brother because it goes with anyone else He just doesn't not turn off fucking ripping limbs off Jesus Christ So what I saw him roll with mayhem he rolled mayhem and mayhem tapped and he released but he Does a big you see that there's a video of it online said a while ago It was in Brazil back in the day. He got him in a heel hook. I think he got his back If I remember I forget maybe an armbar the day. He got him in a heel hook? I think he got his back, if I remember. Really? I forget.

Maybe an arm bar. I forget. It wasn't a heel hook, though. He got him in a few things. I think it's a combination of both, though, Eddie. Ego, 100%. For sure, if there's a fight coming, 100%, you don't want to get hurt. Right, safety.

There's all this money, for sure. But they're worried about being embarrassed. Yeah. That's why some guys never get good. But not Conor. I agree. That's why I bring up Con about being embarrassed. Yeah. That's why some guys never get good. But not Conor. I agree. That's why I bring up Conor. That's rare.

That's rare. Conor's mentality, man, I'm telling you, that dude is special, man. Whether he wins this fight or not, that kid's going to go a long ways in life. He's just a good dude. He almost retired two years ago. I know. Isn't that crazy? Why?

He had a friend that couldn't fight anymore. He had a friend, apparently, who had been injured so much in fighting that he was done. And he was thinking, like, what am I doing? I think I'm done. And he actually didn't show up for his boxing classes. He was teaching a boxing class and didn't show up for like six days or something like that. And then finally his manager calls him up. Two weeks.

Two weeks. Two weeks. So his manager calls him up and his manager says, hey, do you want to fight in the UFC? And he's like, oh, shit. Here we go. And he just decided to go full on into it. Just went full on into it. He's really into not sparring with striking.

He's really into that. Really? Working on technique more than anything. Super smart. Very into not sparring. Exactly what Jamie Varner was saying. Very into not sparring and doing damage. You know, Mitrione does the same thing, too. When Mitrione

first told me that, I was like, because Mitrione's a weird, Mitrione's very smart, but he's a weird dude. He's different. He goes, I don't spar, man. I just kind of, I get to the close and I bring it back. He goes, you know, we'll spar. You can hit me, but I'm not going to hit you. Why? He doesn't want to do it.

That's weird. Mitrione doesn't. Spar, full, go. It's working. He's on a tear, man. It's obviously working. Well, I think there's a lot of those Thai guys do that. That's a big thing in Muay Thai. Like John Wayne Parr was talking about that when he did the podcast, that they play all the time. Dwayne.

Yeah. Dwayne's the same way, man. Well, Dwayne has a whole system worked out. Dwayne is a fascinating cat. He has a whole system worked out as far as getting people comfortable with striking and where he takes you into it step by step. I would love to have him explain it. I don't know, actually, if he'd be willing to.

Maybe it's his trade secret. He has a whole belt system, too. Yeah, he has a whole belt system. He's a very smart dude when it comes to striking. I was really, really impressed when I saw him working with TJ. Yeah. I was really impressed. Hell i saw him working with tj yeah i was really impressed hell yeah i was like wow like dwayne bang ludwig it's on some next level shit you know what the striking coaching the thing is with striking is the ego thing too but we see it in

the nfl guys especially in college too at these big colleges in the nfl guys used to hit four times a week kill each other four times a week and then then some coaches are like, well, this isn't smart. The guys aren't getting to the game. They look like shit in the game. So then schools like Michigan and Ohio State, they pulled it back. And then they were successful. Then everyone followed them. Well, now we see it in the UFC where, listen, you don't get to the UFC without being tough.

You're tough, man. There's no need to do these gym battles and take it out of you. You're not getting paid for it. That's exactly what Jamie Varner was saying. Those are his exact words. And I haven't listened to a word Jamie Varner says. I love Jamie Varner. He's a great guy, but I haven't listened to it.

I believe you. You don't need to do it in the gym, man. Yeah, there needs to be some sort of protocol established for training, like a real consensus protocol when it comes to contact, like how much contact should you have? Or even mapping out a camp. What if there's a protocol for an eight-week camp, you're going to spar in these days, you're going to do this,

and it's just the way it should be, and it's down to a T. What if someone figured that out? How dope would that be? The way your nutritionist has figured out your diet. Yes. Have that for your whole system, everything you do. Isn't that what they do? Some places.

Well, not really. Some places, team takedown. I guarantee you Mark Lehman does shit like that. Mark Lehman does that, and it works for Johnny Hendricks. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Well, he knows Johnny Hendricks like that.

He knows Johnny very well. Yeah. I don't know what that means. Well, all it would take is figuring out, okay, there's a, what, where are you going to put your wrestling during the week? Where are you going to put your striking? Where are you going to put your jiu-jitsu? Everyone does that. Everyone does that. What else are you talking about? Where is it over training? When should you

spar? Yeah, that, include that too, yeah. Sparring day, wrestle this day. I'm with you, but to where it's the most efficient. Because now I'm sparring, I was sparring when I got ready for trash round, I was sparring when I got ready for trash round. I was sparring fucking hard twice a week at Black House. Fucking hard, man.

You know what I'm saying? Do you think that's a bad idea? Bad idea. Bad idea. You said this also about your Ben Rothwell fight, sparring with Carwin. I got knocked out before the Ben Rothwell fight by Carwin. Left hook. How far out? How far out?

Before I fought in O'Gara, Carwin rocked me so bad two weeks before in front of everyone. And then we're on the ground. Let me tell the story. I'm getting ready. We do an open gym in Denver. Hey, come check out local fucking guy, Brendan Schaub in Denver,

getting ready to fight in O'Gara in Brazil like an asshole. We invite family, everyone. It's like Rocky II. Yes. I haven't seen Shane, and he's helped me nothing this camp. Shane's on a boat an hour away. My coach goes, bro, you're supposed to be here. Shane goes, oh, shit, it's Saturday.

Yeah, man, Brendan's banking on you. There's fucking everyone here. He goes, all right, give me a second. Our fucking shade smells like sunscreen, sunburned, just all shitty. Who has gloves? Gets gloves on. I think he had cut off jean shorts and a fucking Van Halen shirt. He had Daisy Dukes on?

Just some Daisy Dukes. Van Halen shirt. Literally tells his son, he's like, just wait over there. I'm like, I'm going to fucking destroy this hick. What the fuck are you doing, Shane? He's like, you ready? Cracks neck to side. I'm like, yeah. Just fucking tubs at me like a fucking

great white shark, left hook. Boom! I'm like, whoa! Remind you, all my family and friends are like, oh my god, Shane's gonna kill shop. Shane's on top, ground and pounding. After he drops you? After he drops me, I come to, I go, what the fuck are you doing? He goes, sorry, bro.

Here, get up. Get up and then take me down. I'm like, no, this isn't WWE. I'm like, stop. Stop. And I told my coach, I'm like, I'm fucking rocked, man. And then I fight Noguera. Wow.

And he knew that you were about to have a fight. Shane's super old school, man. Shane, no one made me more tougher than Shane. No one gave me more head trauma than Shane. Jesus Christ. Love that guy. So the Rothwell fight, how far out was it? Again, two weeks.

Because that's really when I was in Denver, that last, the two weeks out was when we went balls to the wall, where it was me and Shane only, three rounds, and it was weird trying to knock each other out. And know what we do the coach would go 30 seconds the entire gym would shut the fuck down and watch mean shane because 30 seconds meant technique out the window plant your feet and punch each other in the face oh my god that's what i would do and i used to bank on that people were like oh you're the best job that was so cool i'm like yeah thanks man why do you bank on that that it was like my thing it'm like, yeah, thanks, man. You used to bank on that?

It was like my thing. It was like, yeah, Shob goes toe-to-toe with Darwin, man. This is so cool. Bad idea, man. Then I'd go in the bathroom to throw up. I'd get in my car. I wouldn't know how to drive home. Oh, my god. Shane would tell me the same thing.

Call me. That was amazing, brother. I'm fucked up. True story, man. That's some Cheech and Chongong conversation i know dude it's like dude where's my car oh my god that's so crazy that's so crazy when i think back on it now i'd be like no i get the fuck out of it like when i was getting ready for camp at black house they do this thing where they do rounds and you have to leave your foot in they put three cones out you have to leave your foot in the cone and then spar guys just to work on you know stay in the pocket moving

right and i was just getting started man and they were doing like 12 rounds and i did what yeah and i did like six did you rotate guys or just yeah you'd rotate guys oh my god and i did like six and then i was like dude i'm taking some shots here. And this is an older, you know, big brown. I was like, I'm good, man. I'm done. I wish I was that smart when I was young. See, different people have different systems as far as teaching people how to strike and moving in like certain positions every time, time and time again. When you watch like the really high-level kickboxers from Holland,

they all have like a very systematic approach. Like I would love to get you to sit down or to train with Rob Kamen. Rob Kamen is a really interesting guy when it comes to that stuff. He's got a system, and he teaches a system a lot like a lot of people teach a jiu-jitsu system, not as complex as your system, because your system has just infinite number of moves and positions. But Kamen had a deep, deep knowledge of that Dutch style kickboxing so he's a heavyweight and

he's trained a big fella yeah I don't know if he's technically he's over 205 pounds yeah I mean he's a bigger he's a big fella well he's a bad motherfucker Rob came in if you go back and watch like ever yeah he was tremendous his technique was spectacular in Santa Monica right Santa Monica, right? He's here now. I think he's staying in Topanga. He's here now. He's in town. What a great guy, too.

Just a sweetheart of a guy. But he's interesting because he was responsible for a lot of Brendan Vera's early success. That's right. That's why I know the name. Yeah. He was working with Brendan Vera early in his career. And whether or not that's why Brendan was so successful, it's up to debate. But he was doing really well back then when he was with Kamen.

Makes sense. I mean, that's when he beat Frank Mears, when he beat a lot of guys back then. He beat that silver, remember that heavyweight silver? Yes. Was that who it was? Yeah. Did he guillotine him? Guillotine him, that was nasty.

Who did he head kick KO? He head kicked KO Justin Eilers. Yeah, back. Justin Eilers. And then he kneed Frank Mayer, remember? Mm-hmm. That's right. And then he got on the mic.

He was like, I'm going to be the first fighter ever. Heavyweight, light heavyweight. Yeah. He looked good back then, man. Fuck, he was nasty. He looked good. And those were the Rob Kamen days. Related or not related, I don't know.

But there was also, when you talk about him, you've got to talk about he had a contract dispute. So he was out for a long time. There was a contract dispute for the UFC. He came back. There was a lot of pressure on him. Didn't perform that well when he came back. Taking that downtime off for contract disputes, too. That can fucking fuck with your head, man.

I think he's still fighting in one FC. Yeah, he is. Yeah yeah he is yeah he is heavyweight heavyweight yeah he said fuck this diet yeah well especially one fc i don't know what sort of mexican supplements they uh they test for yeah i don't either do they have the full menu of mexican mexican supplements i don't know that's trouble fighting a brandon vera on anything well a lot of these guys they say like, like, you know, let them take it. Why not? You know, have an organization where they do take it.

Let's see what happens. You know, if you've got international fighters that fight over there, just say, hey, this is the pride of Asia. This is how it goes. We're not going to test it for steroids. We don't have to over here. That'd be interesting. Does 1FC test? I don't know.

I have no idea. Well, Rich Franklin's the big dog over there, right? He's running it. Yeah. He's running it. Yeah He's running it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Let's ask does 1fc test for steroids. What do you think I'm gonna say no I would say no to fuck no I Mean anything outside United States. I'm always sketchy about man All right, let's see does one give a fuck where it's

Do to to Alright, let's see I don't give a fuck where it is It doesn't say Steroid use in American football Why does it think football Dana White admits Yeah, is that it? You gotta get on Twitter for that You think so? You think? You gotta just ask people

Someone text Rich Franklin Is he really gonna does he really someone's gotta know on Twitter do they test for steroids at one is it the number one? Is it one number one FC or zero? Ne FC try this One FC champion versus champion then ask in bitches and beauties doesn't say Olympian. Ben Askren. Bitches and beauties. Doesn't say.

I don't know. Oh, drug tests. We're clean. Okay. That means they have a drug test. One of C. Dude, but Pride used to say they're clean. How dare you?

Pride was like, no, we're good. Botswap's sick. Yeah, we're good. Everybody's fine. George Oliveira. That isn't our George Oliveira, is it? Yeah, he fought for them for a while. For one of C? I didn't know that.

Yeah. What do you mean? Which George Olivera are you talking about? From Legends. I think it's him, isn't it? First of all, well, it says drug tests were clean, stating that George Olivera tested positive for steroids. How dare that.

Let's check. Like I said, man, anything outside the United States makes me skeptical hippo. Skeptical hippo? Yeah. Have you ever seen that meme? It's a skeptical with just sketchy eyes. No. Skeptical hippo?

Yeah. It's a funny meme. Have you seen it? Oh, this is a different guy. That's George Oliveira that tested positive in the Ryan LaFleur fight. That's a different... That's the guy who the Ryan LaFleur fight. That's a different, that's the guy who fought Ryan LaFleur in the UFC recently.

Right? He didn't fight Ryan LaFleur. He fought in the Ryan LaFleur undercard, excuse me. LaFleur fought Damian Maia. Damian Maia looked good in that fight. Maia looked great, right? LaFleur's tough to deal with. This is our buddy. That's our buddy, Oliveira.

Skeptical hippo is skeptical. There it is. Now I know. That's my face when you ask if they do steroids. George Oliver. Oh, I know that guy. I've trained with that guy. He's a black belt, right? So there's more than, obviously, there's more than one George Oliveira. Wait, he's not your friend? That's oh, I know that guy I've trained with that guy

So there's more than obviously there's more than one George Oliveira wait. He's not your friend No, that guy is our friend. He trained he trained and yeah from legend right legends MMA It was back in the day was a fun place man. I want there what I bought a t-shirt I came to LA with a buddy and at the time wasn't fine I went to legends just cuz Randy Couture owned it. I bought a T-shirt like a fanboy, wore it around. Awesome. Hey, let's watch that fight if we can. Let's see if we can watch that.

The Al Iaquinta? Yeah, the Al Iaquinta fight. That was the one that we wanted to watch, and the other one that we wanted to watch was the KO, the Gustafson-Anthony Johnson fight. Oh, yeah, with the headbutt. We'll watch that first. Go take a young man yes sir hey uh if uh we have time i would i would love your opinion on kathy long's highlight reel oh she's dope dude i've seen her fight before she was uh one of those american

kickboxers from uh back in the day right she moved yeah, she moved very well. Very well. Yeah, she was badass, dude. She was badass. She wants to fight. Does she? Yeah, she's trying to get a fight right now. She's 51. And she's in great shape. She's 51?

She's in great shape. I see her twice a week at my gym. She's in great shape, man. Wow. Yeah, she's trying to get a fight, but... That's amazing. 51. Invicta should look into her.

Kathy Long can still strike she's still badass and her and she's got uh decent defensive jiu-jitsu she can she actually fought mma like two three years ago and what did she really yeah she fought in oh what show is that that's up on uh youtube too um she won. She was 49 and she won. Wow. That's amazing. She really wants to fight, dude. She is vicious.

Really? Yeah, she's 51 and she wants to fight, like, now. It's just hard. It's, like, I guess promoters are worried about her age. Yeah, it's hard to sell that, man. It's hard to sell that. But when you look at her highlight reel, dude, you're like, oh, shit, she could probably pull it off.

I think people today are more worried about people getting hurt that are older than ever before, you know? But look at what Cro Cop just did. Shit. How old is Cro Cop? 40. 40 and a hard 40. A 40 of a guy who has been fighting

top-level competition for a long time. You know? In and out of the gym. I don't think it's on... They don't have it on Fight Pass, goddammit. It's too soon. I don't know. Is it a Fox Fight?

Yeah, it is a Fox Fight. Maybe it doesn't get on Fight Pass because of that. Makes sense. Yeah, it doesn't appear to be in the library unless I'm retarded, which is possible. Can't find it. Anthony Johnson, you should be able to... No, that's what I'm looking for. I'm not bad at that B-Shop graphic down there with LeVar Johnson.

Nice, pretty young anaconda. Let's try... Let's see if we can find the Al Iaquinta fight here. I think if it's not, I think I have it on DirecTV. I think I saved those here. Let's see. Iaquinta versus Ross Pearson. That's a good fight. Iaquinta versus Ross Pearson. That's a good fight.

Iaquinta. Mmm. Doesn't seem to be on here either. Iaquinta Masvidal. Come on, bitch. Doesn't look like that's on there, man. I mean, can you get the... God, then you get into some weird shit.

I was going to say you can get the replay. There it is there. It's not on Fight Pass? It's somewhere else. Okay, cool. Go full screen on that shit, son. Don't be scared. There it is.

What is it on? Is this something illegal? Are we illegally streaming right now? Maybe. God damn it. Damn it, Jamie. You're going to get us in trouble. We're going to watch this fight to see how clearly we can see that.

I'm sure we can find just the highlight. It's a choppy video, too. Is it choppy? I can find that. I'm sure you can find the highlight of the headbutt. Did you use that new component? I didn't have a chance to figure it out. Oh, okay.

Let's just see it for a second. Yeah, you know what? This is going to be too choppy to be able to distinguish whether or not it was a headbutt. I'm sure you can get a slow highlight of it. But how come it looks okay when you're on a short screen like that? Because it's not working too hard. Oh, really? Oh, it's trying to catch up.

So it's like a video card thing? Yeah. Wow. And that's what that little component's for? To make it better, yeah. Okay. So this is post-KO. We're going to have to take it to the moment he gets hurt. This is a fight I haven't seen. I was on a plane when this happened. Oh, really is so this is post ko We're gonna have to take it to the moment. He gets hurt. There's a fight. I haven't seen I was on a plane when this

Oh, really? Yeah, you gotta take it way back before that Jamie way back like right about there Like right about where the cursor was and Mike that's need to go further back Because he heard him and then he stalked him down for a while there it is here it is flick to the this is this means the fight is already oh oh that's the poke to the eye okay so this is they start up after the poke the eye here we go boom that's it that's it that's what did it right there it's a right hand as well man it's a head you need to see the slow motion man yeah i think anthony's gonna win this fight

Anyways, whether that head but happen or not, but in this certain case the head butts what fucking destroyed Alexander's okay. So tell me what you think him versus John Jones. What happens? John's reaches too much John. I'll take him down and inside leg trip wear him out elbows from the guard Prod might submit him or to killk on i think it goes three rounds wow strong words and i'm a and i'm a fan of anthony i like anthony he's a fucking nightmare boom boom it's interesting but every fight john like here's the guy here's the guy who's gonna beat him there he is wrong well how long can rumble do this like how long can he fight like this like this is extreme pace he's putting on Gustafson.

It's like he's gambling he's going to finish Gustafson. You know, I mean, he's going full at him, and he's got him hurt real bad, and it worked here. Yeah, if a guy can recover, get to guard or something. If a guy can keep from getting hit, Jesus Christ, those uppercuts. Nasty, man. If a guy can keep from getting tagged by him and can take him into the third, fourth, and

fifth rounds, what does that look like? Well, against Phil Davis, it looked pretty fucking scary. He looked scary in the second, and he looked scary in the third. But that was Phil Davis, who doesn't present as many striking dangers as Jon Jones does. You've got to remember, Jon Jones dismantled Vitor. Vitor is very similar to Anthony Johnson. When John fought him, he was explosive as fuck, powerful. Remember that?

Yeah. Yeah, he got conned that armbar, but he ended up submitting. But Vitor is considerably smaller. Not at the time. Think about Vitor roided the fuck to the gills. Yeah, I mean, he weighed 205, but he's a different 205 than this fucking guy. Man, a roided up V-tor? Let me see that again.

See that again. That was interesting. Look. Headlands. Headlands. Oh, man. I got to see it from the other angle. Me too.

From that angle, it didn't look like it was a headbutt. It didn't? From that angle, no. Okay, let's see it again. Not to me. Here we go. We're going to see it right here. Watch this.

Boom. Oh, dude, that's a right hand. Let me see one more time. One more time. See, that's what I'm. Let me see one more time. One more time. See, that's what I'm saying. It seems so... That angle's rough. Let me see it one more time. And then he seemed alright after that. He was moving around and dancing. He's pretty fucked up.

I felt so bad for him. Here we go. One more time. One more time. Here's the kick. Bam. Dude, I think the head didn't hit. I think the head goes to the side. You're crazy. It's hard to tell, man.

We need a better angle. Let's see. Because that right hand, not this one. This one looks like it landed. His head hit his shoulder. His head hit his shoulder. It doesn't, man. At that angle, it does.

It looks like Tony. One more time. If you can get the other view on the other side. Keep going back to that same spot. His head would cock back if he got head butted. There would be. Check it out again. You'd be able to see the spot. His head would cock back if he got headbutted. That would be... Check it out again. You'd be able to see the impact.

There was no impact. Dude, I think the head goes to the left and the right hand lands. He might have bumped heads at the same time, though. It is possible. This is a bad angle. See, there was no point of impact. That's not good. Go back to that other angle.

You would see the impact. The other side you can tell, though. This is like this is a Pruder film. Bam. Could have hit him. Could have hit him on the right eyebrow Can't you type in headbutt on YouTube or something for me? Because they give you different angles this here is one more time

Boom it could be you think that right hand land that hard to do that could you? The right hand was hard. Look at what did you think it landed that hard? Look how fucking hard he's throwing it He's throwing his whole body into it The other one is face see one more time chest. Let's see it one more time from that other angle I'm telling if we can just pull some bullshit. You can get another angle on YouTube one more time What was that? It's like some kid in the crowd you saying didn't throw this right hand hard is crazy watch right here Does it look hard Pam are you kidding me right there? Doesn't oh you're so crazy He throws everything into that punch. Right here it looks like fucking Mike Tyson.

See it again. Back it up again. Back it up again on the side. Back it up again on the clavicle. Dude, Bruce is... I'm telling you, there's a thing on YouTube on the other side. But this right hand. The idea that he's not throwing that hard is so crazy.

I think he's throwing it hard. It landed right here. It landed here. It didn't land in the face. No, it hits his face and then it hits the clavicle. Look landed right here. It landed here. It didn't land in the face. No, it hits his face and then it hits the clavicle. Look, it hits both. It hit his face. Right here it doesn't.

Watch this. Right here it doesn't. The head hits. Dude, that hit his fucking cheek. Simon Chaney. It hit his fucking cheek. Ooh, I disagree. Oh, come on.

Back it up again. Look, it hits his fucking face. It hits his cheek and then it goes into his collarbone. Watch this. Boom. Dude, it hits his face first. It hits right here. You're blind. You need to go to a doctor. Are you serious? Look at thisbone. Watch this. Boom. Dude, it hits his face first. It hits right here. You're blind.

You need to go to a doctor. Are you serious? Look at this. Look at this. Boom. That punch hits his face. You see his hair go like this. Dude, that punch 100% hits his face.

Hear me out. Do you see elves when you get up in the morning? 100%. 100%. No, Jamie. There's an angle from the other side. One more time, Jamie. No, this isn't the evidence.

This isn't the evidence. It's not just a video. No big deal. No, there's a video from the other side, bro. One more time. One other side. One more time, Jamie. No, this isn't the evidence. This isn't the evidence. It's not just a video. No big deal. No, there's a video from the other side, bro. One more time. One more time. Here we go. Dink.

Chin. That was not good. Cheek and jaw. Now watch this next one. Clear as fuck. Look at his hair. Boom. Bam.

In the face before it hits anything else. His head goes that way from a headbutt. Did you see his hair? The proof is in the hair. It didn't matter. The punch lands on the fucking cheek. That's what you were arguing against. Look at his hair. You were saying it hits his else. His head goes that way from a headbutt. Did you see his hair? The punch lands on the fucking cheek. That's what you were arguing against. You were saying it hits his clavicle. It definitely doesn't hit his clavicle.

That punch hits his face and then glances off and then hits him on the chin. Here's the other view. What are you talking about? This view, you can't see the punch land. You can see the headbutt. Just like you can't see it on the other side. Okay, let's see. Watch.

It looks like you hit him in the head. With a head butt, right? Let's see. Slowly. Slow. Slow. Look. Right hand.

Right hand hit the chin first. Clearly. Right hand hits the cheek. It's 100%. Head butt hits the temple. Oh, you know what? You know what? He did head butt him afterwards.

He definitely head butted him afterwards. But the right hand hit him first. I gotta agree with you on that. Yeah. I'll give you that. The head butt is after. There is a head butt after. but look right hand but it is a headbutt for sure but here boom right hand first do it one more time watch this the right where does it go do do what you just did watch one more time look at that headbutt though son but the right hand came before

it i agree back it up to where it was both there was a headbutt. There was a headbutt. No, no, no. It's before that. Here it goes. Watch this. Look at the right hand. Bam! It's clear as day. Bam. And that's headbutt temple. No.

He hit him in the fucking cheek. Dude, you see from the overhead that punch lands on his cheek. It lands on his cheek and jaw. But it's both. It's both. It's a palm. Bam. On the face.

And then headbutt. Bam. Right there. 100% headbutt. Bam right there. 100% headbutt, 100% punch lands first. I agree, both. Both of them are damaging. Both of them fucked him up. I think Anthony would have won that fight either way.

I'm not taking anything away from Johnson. From that angle, 100% they collide heads. So now we know. But also 100% the punch lands first. You can see it right there. Doom and doom. Yep. Beat him fair and square.

Crazy. Powerful Anthony Johnson. But I don't think it matters if the punch lands first. I mean, there was a headbutt. It definitely was a headbutt. But he got tagged by that right hand on the face first. Which one wobbled him more, though? The headbutt comes right after.

Which one wobbled him more, though? Good question. The only one who can answer is him, really. And I bet even he can't. I bet he's so out of it, he can't. Yeah, what do you do in a situation like that? If the guy lands a punch, and then the headbutt lands in the head, but come clearly the guy lands a punch He gets hurt, but the headbutt stiffens him up don't and he goes out part of the game

It is part of the game, but what do you say happens, but the method of chaos kind of headbutt? Right we should bring back headbutts It would have to be like how much time has passed between them because like say if you tagged guy with the right hand and he Was wobbly as fuck and he was backing up in a few seconds go by and then he throws a right hand and misses and you collide heads and he goes unconscious true then what happened yeah then we do well then you need a rematch I think that one's like you know I'm saying it's like you can't ask for a rematch in a fight like that you can't that magnitude there would have to be some sort of a huge event see

I want to see Gus Finnson and DC fight next. That's a good fight. That's a great fight. It's a very good fight. I wish they would have done that instead of separating them. Well, Gustafson versus Bader is an interesting fight, too, man. What Bader did to Ovin St. Preux I thought was really interesting. But Ovin St. Preux is not nearly the wrestler that DC is.

DC is wrestling, especially when you're dealing with a guy who's his size. World class. Not a long, tall guy like Jon Jones, who's so awkward and strong, but a guy more his size. A thick, stocky guy like Bader. Bader won't take DC down. Isn't St. Preux fighting pretty soon? Yeah, he's fighting soon, too. When is that?

He's fighting my boy, Pat Cummins. Better watch your PZQs, gentlemen. Because Pat is a fucking nightmare. He was at my seminar. He's a beast, dude, he's a great guy man He's awesome. Awesome. Great guy. Super man. I hate to say Super athletic, but god damn You don't see a Tennessee

National not professional. No professional, but I meant a Elite elite athlete division one athlete any Tennessee. He loves hitting twisters man watch He loves he already has a calf crank from the truck. He already has a the University of Tennessee. And he loves hitting twisters, man. Watch. He loves it. He already has a calf crank from the truck. He already has a Jason Von Flu choke. Remember that? Yeah.

He got that dude in the Von Flu choke. He did. That Russian cat. There's a lot of dudes who don't even know that position. Yeah. Pat Cummings, I'm telling you, is a fucking monster. He's a monster. He's a monster.

Pat will win that fight. Ovens improved with that fucking left hook that knocked Shogun out. Yeah, man. Sweet sidestep. Ovens ain't proved with that fucking left hook that knocked Shogun out. I don't know, man. Sweet sidestep. Ovens is a specimen, dude. I know, man. And he moves very well on the ground. He's a very good grappler.

He loves playing London. He loves playing also known as Sean Williams guard. He loves going there. Tell you, man, Pat Cummings is one of those guys. He's like Rashad Evans. He's a fucking impossible submit, man. He trains with Verdum all the time and me all the time. And gets in the worst positions ever.

He's a tough dude, too. And a stud wrestler. And grinds, man. Grinds. Has cutting weight down to a T. Yeah, and has insane endurance and work ethic. Good luck with that. His work ethic.

Such a good fight. Cummings, baby. Eddie Bravo. Fuck that. Fuck that. Ovens does have. He says, with that. His work ethic. Such a good fight. Ovins. Cummings, baby. Ovins. Eddie Bravo. Fuck that. Fuck that. Ovins does have some nasty power. How about we put some money on it?

Let's do it. How much you want? I'll bet you $1,000. Oh my God. Not $1,000. Fuck. You went deep. $1,000.

Come on, man. $100. How about $20 for fun? $20? For funsies. $1,000. I'll give you $20. A bunch of Chipotle. How about a dinner? How about $20 for fun? $20? For funsies. $1,000? I'll give you $20. A bunch of Chipotle.

No, it's not. How about a dinner? How about a dinner? Okay, there you go. You take the three of us out to dinner. The loser buys dinner. Where at? At the good place.

Wherever we want. $1,000 is a lot of money. Joe picks the place. Okay, we'll go to a good joint. $1,000 is a lot of money. We'll go get a steak somewhere. Yeah, Morton's, wherever. Damn, you're rolling a gamble on that?

How about Oven's wins anyways, and I still pay for it? How about that? No, I'm kidding. Hey, $1,000. Fuck it. Oven's, $1,000 right here. $1,000? You guys are going to do $1,000?

Do you really want to do $1,000? Yes. Or you want to do dinner? What's going to happen? You pick, Eddie. Let's play $1,000. Fuck it. Oh, my God.

Oven's is incredible, dude. Oven's. So bold. Oven's, you listening to me? I'm betting Brendan, $1,000. It's on you, my God. Ovens is incredible, dude. Ovens. So bold. Ovens, you listening to me? I'm betting Brendan, $1,000. It's on you. Are you really want to get involved in this? You got to decide right now before you touch hands.

Dude, it was my idea. And you're a badass bluff. I'm calling your bluff. $1,000. $1,000. $1,000. $1,000. You're not going to do it.

You're not going to do it. I'm a gambling man. Okay, $1,000. $1,000. You're not going to do it. I'm a gambling man. Okay, a thousand. A thousand dollars. You sure? I swear to God. I can trust you. It was my idea.

But it was a bluff. It's not a bluff. Okay. You sure? We both have our sides. You can't back out. I'm in. Don't back out.

Don't back out. I'll do a thousand and dinner. Oh, my God. A thousand. A thousand. A thousand. Oh, my God. I can't believe I'm seeing this.

A thousand, baby. Pat, you better turn your ass off. I can Oh, my God. I can't believe it. A thousand, baby. Pat, you better turn your ass off. I can't believe I'm seeing this. When is that fight? God damn it. Two weeks. It's on the Machida card. Oh, my goodness.

Oh, no. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. All right. Pat Cummings, baby. Hey, and I wanted cash. $100 bills. Yeah, don't bring me no fucking check, man.

A write-off. Don't bring me a 10th planet check or something. Hey, dude, do you have a corporation I could... Do you have a corporation that I could... Dude, how about this? You gotta help fucking check, man. A write-off. Don't bring me a 10th planet check or something. Hey, listen, do you have a corporation I could... Do you have a corporation that I could... Dude, how about this? You gotta help me out, bro. I'll give you $1,500 in private lessons. Yeah, right?

You got a free gym membership for a year. I actually charge $15 in an hour. Charge $16 in an hour, bro. I'll give you a break. All you owe me is $100, dude. I'm a little nervous now. That really escalated. That did escalate. That's a lot of dude. I'm a little nervous now. That really escalated. That did escalate.

That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. A thousand bucks is real cash. Oh, man. That's real cash. Ovin's going to fuck him up. Trust me. He's going to fuck him up.

Trust me, he's not. You know what's going to happen? Pat Cummins is going to break him in the second round. Break him? No. Are you kidding? This is what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen.

Pat, listen. Look me in the eye. Pat Cummins is going to get twisted. Twister? He's going to happen. Pat, listen. Look me in the eye. Pat Cummins is going to get Twister. Twister? He's going to get Twister. I would bet my entire bank account he doesn't get submitted. Okay, what kind of odds on the Twister would you give? What are odds?

Okay, here's the odds on the Twister. If he gets him in the Twister, you bet $100,000. And if he gets him in the Twister, he has to give you $10,000. Okay. Okay. That's about the right odds. For sure. That's about the right odds. No, no, no, it's not.

He's good, dude. Well, not to win. Is he training with you full-time? No. Okay, to win. He just went to a seminar. I don't trust him at all if he said that. To win, it's a very good bet it's an interesting bet

it's an interesting fight you got to look at the fact that he knocked out Shogun with one fucking punch like that and say this kid is a stud and he's getting better and he's fast and he's striking is fucking for sure dangerous and powerful but the odds of him winning by Twister when only one person ever won by Twister ever in the history the the fucking UFC, and that's the Korean zombie. One goddamn twister of all time. The odds that he wins by a twister, I say 100 to 10,000.

You want? I mean, sure. It's never gonna happen. That's very reasonable. That's even reasonable. I think odds are one in a million. Probably more than that. So what you're doing is stealing $100 from Eddie Bravo. I'm already stealing $1,000, I'm telling you.

Let's have another bet. $100 bet. If he gets them in a twister, you owe me... $2,000. No. $10,000. But if he doesn't... No.

But then if he doesn't, what do I get? $100. You're stealing $100. I'm just giving it to you. That's giving it to you. So if he wins, you're down with Tim. I'll call his ass right. I'll fly to fucking Kentucky, and we'll be doing twisters all week.

What if Pat submits him? Huh? What if Pat submits him? Doesn't matter. Where is this fight at? What city is this fight at? New Jersey. It's in New Jersey in two weeks?

Yeah. Shit, I'm in town. Is it the 25th? April 25th? You're in New Jersey? You're in that town? Well, Hicks and Gracie is having a seminar on the 25th, so if it's the 25th... What's that?

Montreal is that one. Montreal, that's that one. Is the 25th? Yeah. Oh. This is the Fox card. This is the Fox card. You're announcing it, right? Yeah, I'm announcing that one. Oh. I'm announcing the Montreal card that one. Montreal, that's that one. Is the 25th? Yeah. Oh. This is the Fox card. This is the Fox card. You're announcing it, right?

Yeah, I'm announcing that one. Oh. I'm announcing the Montreal card, too. Oh. The Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson Hiragoshi card. That card took a hit, huh? Rampage losing, or getting pulled out of the card, rather, is a bad one. Don't like that.

What did you think was going to happen? Didn't like that, man. I thought that they could work that shit out. I thought that, I mean, I think that if there is some sort of a break in the contract enough to where he can sign with the UFC, I felt like they would have already worked it out. You would think his lawyers, or you'd think the UFC lawyers who are the best in the business were like, dude, don't promote him yet. We don't know.

Let's figure this logistics out and then do it. Yeah. It was too rushed. Yeah. Well, I don't know, man. Maybe they thought that they would be able to get it in under the wire before. But why risk it? I don't know.

Risk what? You've already established that Rampage doesn't want to be in Bellator. So whether he fights or not, UFC wins. But not really, because now the court is saying, dude, you've still got to fight for Bellator. But then it's beautiful. No, the court granted an injunction, I believe. I believe they kept him from fighting for the UFC, but they didn't say

that he has to fight for Bellator. They recognized an argument and it has to be worked out now. So they just said you can't fight for the UFC at this point? Exactly, at this point. They granted an injunction. I think that's exactly how it works. I'm probably using the wrong terminology, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works. If I had to, I'm probably using the wrong terminology,

but I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works. So Rampage can't fight for the UFC, so the card takes a big hit. And wasn't there another fight on the card, too, that got pulled? What was the other fight that got pulled? There's another big one, right? Wasn't Roy supposed to be on that, but they took him off, too? Well, Roy's now fighting for the title. Title.

But I thought it was supposed to be there. Maybe. Am I crazy? Well, that's a great place for title. Title. But I thought it was supposed to be there. Maybe. Am I crazy? Well, that's a great place for him to fight. He fucking lives there. That's where it was supposed to be, and they took him off there and put him on that Vegas card. Well, that Vegas card is a monster, man. And when you have those title fights in Vegas, it's worth a shitload of cheddar.

Fuck yeah. Shitload of cheddar. A lot of money in those Vegas cards, man. Why? Because people like to go there, man. Vegas loves it. People like to do it. It's a different animal when it's in Vegas.

And the money that it generates for the casino is insane in comparison to the money that it generates for some random arena somewhere. If you put it on some random arena in Montreal, I mean, it's great for the economy in Montreal, but the amount of money that gets spent in Vegas is off the goddamn charts. Around the fight weekend. Is Vegas making a big comeback? Are they making a comeback? Well, they definitely took a big hit. I think it's more of

a normalization. The economy goes down, gambling goes down. There's no way around it. People don't have the money. I think the hotels are taking a huge hit, though. Those craziest hotels, they're not doing well. We were in a car once, and we asked the driver, this cab driver, like, how much different is Vegas right right now and he goes it's 50 down 50 down he said 50 down in calls 50 down in business like they're all aware of it i know i know that city center the engineer

fucked up building it it's not safe structurally and they have to rip it down what yeah no way this might be breaking news. What? Big brown style. Big brown breaking news. But I'm pretty sure I read that. That gigantic thing you just built? I'm pretty sure I read that on a form from a kid.

Let's get. No, I swear. Let's get. I swear, though. I'm almost positive. Wow. Something structurally is fucked up, and they have to tear it down. Oh, my God.

It's like tons and tons of money. Let's get young Jamie to pull up some articles on this bullshit. Jamie, see if I'm lying. That sounds insane. If that's the case, what a huge hit. That's terrifying. Someone really powerful in Vegas told me, back when I was working with the UFC, he said it used to be that the casinos were packed,

and then now it's like someone took a giant vacuum and just vacuumed all the people out of the casinos. Damn. That's what it looks like. I'm not a Vegas guy. I never have been. You know what's real weird? I can't stand Vegas.

You know what's real weird? When you go off the grid, when you get out of the strip and you go to them funky casinos. Oh. That are out in the middle of nowhere. That would depress you. Whoa. What? There's a lot of casinos in Vegas that you don't ever think about.

There's a lot of weird fucking casinos all over the spot. That's for the true gamblers. Guys that just want to gamble. They don't want to be on the strip. They just want a place where they can gamble. Well, you just see a different tone of human being. It's almost a different creature. Dude, commerce casino here?

They're all out of shape. Don't give a fuck. Big countries people. That's why he's got to keep that mullet. That makes sense. Keep that gut. Did you ever go to Commerce Casino? That place is packed.

I was there last night. There was some fights. There was Bama fights. Eddie Jackson. Oh, really? He won. He looked like Chuck Liddell in his prime. Eddie Jackson just destroyed his guy.

But the place was packed. It was 98% Asian. They loved to gamble. Oh, yeah. But the place was packed. It was incredible. That's different, though, because that's not Vegas. These loved to gamble. Oh, yeah. But the place was packed. It was incredible. That's different, though, because that's not Vegas. These local casinos is all they got.

It's like this or drive four hours to Vegas. True. If you're a card gambler, you can gamble right here. If you're a poker guy, there's plenty of gambling in LA. Yeah. Like, Ari Shafir, before he made it as a comic, was making more money gambling on poker than he was on anything. No. Usually people do it online.

Playing in tournaments. Oh, wow. He was going to fucking... He must be really good. He's very good. Ari's smart as shit, dude. Sounds like it. He would go to these poker tournaments and win. He made $35,000 one year just playing poker. And he wasn't making much money as a comic. He was struggling. It's crazy. Yeah. You can make some money. And you can get action. That's the big thing.

I heard online's the way to do it, though. Could you sit at home in your fucking underwear? It's not legal in America anymore. It's different Like I think you have to go places I think Nevada you can gamble online But you can gamble you can play poker online against people from Nevada Because like all those pro poker players a lot of them moved out of country a lot of them move to Monaco Mon A lot of them moved to Monaco. Monaco? How do you say that? Monaco.

Monaco. They moved to Monaco. They moved to all these countries where it's legal. Some of them moved to China, and they play in that Chinese place. Oh, China's huge. What's that area? Macau, right? Macau.

Macau. Yeah, Macau apparently is going off. I heard Macau is crazy. They say it's Vegas times 10. That's what I've heard. Just mad Asian gambling. I heard Dubai divides the same way really gambling night gambling no game as far as crazy syslamic right

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