The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - August 23, 2015

Episode Date: August 23, 2015

Joe is joined by Aubrey Marcus, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, Eddie Bravo, and Tait Fletcher to watch the fights on August 23, 2015. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Damn, Sam Stout got KO'd in the first round. Ain't that a bitch? We're alive. Sorry we're late, but that's just how shit goes. This is a Fight Companion podcast. If you've never heard one of these before, expect chaos. Expect a lot of talking over. Expect very little... This is not like a regular podcast. If you listen to this, you're like, wow, they're going to talk about some cool shit. Maybe. But what we're actually doing is watching fights.
Starting point is 00:00:24 And during the fights, while they're playing off live, we're actually doing is watching fights. And during the fights, while they're playing off live, we're going to be talking. Eddie Bravo's here. Eddie Bravo! Thank you for having me, John. Aubrey Marcus is in this. Tate Fletcher just has entered the domicile.
Starting point is 00:00:40 The big Tate Fletcher. Holla! A little more feminine. Brian Callen is here. Say hi to the world, Brian Callen. I'll do whatever you say. And Brendan motherfucking Schaub is also here. The fight has already started.
Starting point is 00:00:55 We've got three minutes and 30 seconds on the clock left in the round. First fight, Marina Moroz and Valerie Laterno. Banging, too. The girls are banging. This is the first fight. Marina Moroz and Valerie Naterno. Naterno. Banging, too. She was banging. This is the first fight. And if you're watching this live, you will probably be about 10 to 15 seconds behind the actual live. Oh!
Starting point is 00:01:17 Oh! Valerie Naterno. She's got power. She shut her lights down for a second there. That's that weird moment when someone's legs give out. Boink. Look at this empty half. Oh, I like that elbow to the stomach.
Starting point is 00:01:30 To the gut. Yeah. You don't see that too often. To the baby maker. The way she's trying to catch the half guard, the girl on the bottom. But you know who stopped Chuck Liddell? Rampage stopped Chuck Liddell with elbows to the body. Remember that?
Starting point is 00:01:41 But from side control like that with a downward elbow right there. You don't see that that often. Well, you're not supposed to. Even on the body, you're not even supposed to throw that down. that? But from side control like that with a downward elbow right there, you don't see that often. Well, you're not supposed to. Even on the body, you're not even supposed to throw that down. You see knees from there now. So stupid. From side control.
Starting point is 00:01:50 You can't even throw a downward elbow to the thigh. No 12 to 6, right? Yeah. That's illegal. That's so stupid. It's so stupid. Super old school rule. Do we have a seat for young Tate Fletcher?
Starting point is 00:02:00 It's an old school rule. Wasn't it, Joe? Because they were saying a karate move where it's breaking, right? This they were saying a karate move was breaking. This is a true story. Breaking boards 12 to 6. That shit's so dangerous. It was actually the Athletic Commission
Starting point is 00:02:13 when John McCarthy met with them. Big John McCarthy way back in the day. He told me this. They were so scared because they had seen ESPN like 2 o'clock in the morning. White dudes breaking cinder blocks. So lame. Can you do that any other way, though?
Starting point is 00:02:31 And ice. Is that the most powerful fucking strike? No, a heel fucking, spinning heel kick will knock you into the next dimension. But can you break the same kind of shit they break with their elbows with other parts of your body? Sure, 100%. It's just not there. Your heel or shit. There's nothing tougher than your heel and shin. Yeah, your heel doesn't hurt.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Like, you can kick someone in the head with your heel, and it doesn't hurt. Yeah. Like, you break the shit out of your hand. When was the last time you ever heard someone breaking their heel by kicking someone? Look at this girl. She's got some pretty clever jiu-jitsu, man. Inverted triangle? Look at this.
Starting point is 00:03:00 She's only got the head in there, but this bitch can't breathe. Valerie Naterno. I shouldn't say bitch, because I do work for this organization. I probably shouldn't be professional. That's only got the head in there, but this bitch can't breathe. Valerie Neterno. I shouldn't say bitch because I do work for this organization. I probably won't be professional. That's a really weird position. It's not doing anything. It's just controlling. It's not necessarily doing anything, but people have gone out from no arm triangles. That's a fact. People have gone unconscious.
Starting point is 00:03:20 You need something else in there, though. You need something else in there, though. You really need an arm in there. Shouldn't she be pushing down on me? Brian, you should shut the fuck up right now, probably in there, though. You need something else in there, though. You really need an arm in there. You should shut the fuck up right now, probably. Sorry, man. You don't know anything. But you know, one thing that does work, though, is the fucking leg scissors.
Starting point is 00:03:36 People do go to sleep with that leg scissors. I agree. Leg scissors, yeah. This is different, though. This is a little different, especially at a high level. You're not fucking spending it. Right, but as Valerie Letourneau, she had a high level with jiu-j. This is where her triangle's a little different. Especially at a high level, you're not fucking spinning anyone like that. Right, but as Valerie Letourneau, she had a high level with jiu-jitsu. I know her striking's really good. She could go for a leg scissor right here if she untriangled her legs.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Scissors is a different animal. Her fucking head is stuck under the chin, though. Look at that. That's nasty. She's stretching her neck out. That bitch is going to be taller after this fight. Whenever I'm caught in something like that. Call her bitch again.
Starting point is 00:04:03 I can't help it. Here comes the chin. It's like a birth. It's like a birth. Fucking chin. Pushing. Dude. Pushing.
Starting point is 00:04:08 She's in trouble. Anytime I'm caught in something like this and I can't get my head out, my main goal, if I can't get my head out, is to do the exact same thing to them. And it's like, dude, I got you too. Crazy. You guys want to let go together? Let's let go together. Took the word right out of my mouth, Eddie.
Starting point is 00:04:21 This girl is not letting go, man. This is really interesting. This is a weird position. That's a lot of energy on your legs, too. It is it is Are they stopping it? It's over. They're not standing What is that the rest hanging around and around the round I was about to say God I'll be fram oil filtered oil change done right the fram cam the fram fram cam Don't don't let him talk about jiu-jitsu. You don't know a fucking thing.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Is that beer? That's why I butter my chin before I fight. My chin is always buttery. I always, always butter my chin. Is that beer? Cocoa butter. Yeah, yeah, it's beer, man. Uh-oh, the Indian's out.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Grass-fed butter your chin. Not yet. I think you need a bottle opener, brother. Hold on a second. I think I got one. No downward ovals? Hey, Brian, you're on the microphone. You know Hold on a second. I think I got one. I saw you the other day at the store, but I didn't say anything. No downward ovals? I was getting in my car and I didn't open that can.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Hey, Brian, you're on the microphone. You know this is a podcast. Yeah, man, but I'm talking to my boy Tate Fletcher. He and I have a connection. Aubrey, your boy from Texas,
Starting point is 00:05:14 Daniel Jolly. Brian, Jamie, do we have a... Tough. Tough first fight. That's a hell of a first fight to give somebody, too. They're both newcomers, though.
Starting point is 00:05:23 This Canadian kid. This Latvian dude who looks like a killer. They were tough. I went to college with Daniel Jolie. Oh, look at that right hand. Nice right hand. I'll tell you what, though. That girl did recover, and that was a funky position she had Valerie in. Boom!
Starting point is 00:05:37 Damn. Got back up. Man, I am so fired up for December 12th. You guys should all make a point of let's all try to head out to Vegas for the December 12th event. That's a mad event, dude. Chris Weidman. Chris Weidman takes on Luke Rockhold. Robbie Lawler takes on Carlos Condit.
Starting point is 00:06:00 And Aldo and McGregor, which probably won't happen. No, Lawler-Condit's in Australia. Oh, that's right. It's not Lawler-Condit. What is it? It's the other one. Yeah, Conor McGregor, Ald probably won't happen. No, Lawler Condit's in Australia. Oh, that's right. It's not Lawler Condit. What is it? It's the other one. Yeah, Conor McGregor, Aldo. But there's one other fight.
Starting point is 00:06:09 There's one other big fight on that card. Hold. Jacare. Hold on. I'll read that for you. Hold on. That might be right. Jacare Romero.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Is it that? That's a motherfucking. I can't wait for that fight. I'll tell you right now. Dude, we should do a fight companion from there, Joe. Fuck yeah. On a Friday. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Yeah. For the biggest card of the year That would be awesome Okay hold on a second I'll tell you exactly what it is Okay here it is Wyman Rockhold Conor Aldo
Starting point is 00:06:38 Yoel Romero Jacare That's the other big fight That's a motherfucker fight Ronda Rousey too right No She's January 3rd You see that brother Bro I don't agree with that fight The Holly Holm fight I just don't think that's a Ronda Rousey too right? no she's January 3rd I don't agree with that fight
Starting point is 00:06:47 the Holly Holm fight I just don't think that's smart I would have gone with Amanda Nunes before Holly Holm Amanda Nunes looked like a badass when she knocked out Sarah McMahon that's a more dangerous fighter it's a more marketable fighter I get it though what do you do you have a fight with Amanda Nunes
Starting point is 00:07:03 you know all you're doing is because when Ronda leaves, you need people to know these other girls, so basically you're just putting all these marketing dollars into these girls. They're going to get their ass whooped. What are you going to do? You know what I'm saying? So at least when Ronda leaves, we're like, oh yeah! That's Holly Holmes! She thought Ronda got her neck snapped off. Amanda Nunez
Starting point is 00:07:19 looks so impressive. She definitely has better stand-up than Ronda, right? I disagree. You disagree? I disagree. He disagrees. He disagrees. Really? I would say, too, as a boxer, best boxer in the world probably. However.
Starting point is 00:07:30 In the world? Yeah, as a woman. But the deal is, in boxing, it's a lot of point fighting. It's like point karate. And so is there knockout power in those hands? And Ronda has it. And Holly's been doing a different kind of sport for a long time. I agree 100% with Tate. Like, if it was boxing, yeah, man, now we got to fight.
Starting point is 00:07:46 She's only the best boxer in the world for women if Ann Wolf decides to still not box. Because Ann Wolf will break a bitch's face off. She might be 40 or whatever the fuck she is. But if Ann Wolf decides to run through a training camp, tell you what, man, that is one chick that as a dude I would not want to get punched by. She's ferocious. I don't care who Ronda fights, really. I just want to see her fight.
Starting point is 00:08:11 I just want to see her fight. Tell me you're not going to be interested and excited to see Holly Holm against Ronda. I want to see it. If she demolishes her in a minute, fuck, that's such a great fight. I guess, man. If that's your cup of tea. Look at Mike Tyson with Bruce Seldon. Bruce Seldon. Frank Bruno, Trevor Burbick, all those guys.
Starting point is 00:08:33 At least those guys were world class, though, my man. That's true. Ronda competing is like Usain Bolt going to the Special Olympics running track. They were world class against opposition that wasn't Mike Tyson. You know what I mean? Mike Tyson made all those guys, they were really terrified in the ring. He went right through them all. He looks just like Ronda.
Starting point is 00:08:52 But they were legit world class fighters. Bruce Eldon? Yes. A lot of them were former world champs. Bruce Eldon was a legit world class heavyweight. Henry Tillman? You're talking about Olympians? Yeah, they were really good fighters, man. Razor Runnick?
Starting point is 00:09:00 The real problem with those guys is that they were fighting Tyson. The real problem with Ronda is Ronda is like a Mike Tyson. She's elite of the elite. Kat Zingano's good. She's good. Alexis Davis is good. Those girls are good. They're good.
Starting point is 00:09:15 They're good. They're good. She's great. Are the girls better than them out there? No. They're among the best then. This is what we got. They're the best.
Starting point is 00:09:23 They're amongst the best. See, if is what we got. They're the best. They're amongst the best. See, if you look at, there's some girls. I think Amanda Nunes has real potential. She has real potential. She'll never beat Ronda. If you look at Klaja, Klaja Gadea, she's world class. Klaja Gadea is dangerous. Ioana Janjicek, world class.
Starting point is 00:09:40 There's a few. Cyborg, steroids or no steroids, take away all that controversy just go but based on her performances ferocious terrifying world-class Dangerous fighter that's for what did she say lately cyborg? What's going on with her? Cyborg whoever the fuck her manager is she needs to fire that person She said she needs to just lose weight get on a scale show here. I am I make 135 Rhonda that bell is my yes Boom, that's it. Oh, but what about your idea? I'm not gonna try and steal your idea What about me should take cyborg catch weight? Yeah, why the fuck me shows not screaming for this
Starting point is 00:10:15 I have no idea know what I've been thinking about that fuck a catch weight if that chick wants to fight at 135 prove you Can make 135 Jump all over me Against Misha Tate Yeah And now I honey Dick my whip People change their lives Natural reaction 40's cool I like that
Starting point is 00:10:31 I like Rousey home And Cyborg Misha On the same card Yes Because the fans Really don't know Cyborg Set her up They really don't know
Starting point is 00:10:38 Who she is They don't know And if she goes in there And mobs Misha Tate Which I don't think she does I think she loses to Misha Just saying She could easily lose to Misha at 135.
Starting point is 00:10:46 I think she does. 135's a different animal for some. Not only that, it's a different animal now because no IVs. Oh, and if you get caught with IV, two-year ban, homie. Two-year ban. Two-year ban if you use an IV to rehydrate. Whoa. You did a podcast with the guy. Jeff Nowitzki. Who was that? You?
Starting point is 00:11:02 Nope. Why? You? How dare all of you? Why? Did he talk about how you get... It wasn't me. I'm sorry. Did he address the fact that it's dangerous for the fighters? Well, he said there's actually some studies that show that it's more effective to rehydrate with water
Starting point is 00:11:18 with drinking it orally. I've not looked into that. But he said not in extreme cases, though, Joe. He goes, our athletes are extreme goes that's for the average person who's been hydrated mouth oral is better but for extreme cases IVs better if you have a doctor's note you can get it but after that I'm a huge I'm a huge Jeff Novitski yeah huge fan oh yeah he's great this dude is legit he's a hundred people are fuck oh he busted Lance Armstrong. He busted, well, sort of busted
Starting point is 00:11:46 Barry Bonds, because Barry Bonds got... That was one thing we found out after the podcast. He was recently acquitted on all charges. Like, they didn't catch Barry on anything. Yeah, it's all, like, they wasted all that money. He was making it out like some big message they were sending to the children. I was like, alright, whatever with all that.
Starting point is 00:12:01 It's like, let's not think about kids. We're talking about adult professional athletes. Fuck all thinking about them. They just wanted to screw Barry Bonds over. Well, what they were doing was they were trying to, you know, prosecute. What they do is they have a mandate. Someone tells them to prosecute, and they have to prosecute. What's up with that girl's shorts, by the way, on the left?
Starting point is 00:12:18 You don't like them? This is like a combination of, like, tie shorts and, like, short shorts. She's got something under them, Joe. What? Underwear? She's got, like, tie shorts and, like, short shorts. She's got something under them, Joe. What? Underwear? She's got, like, booty shorts under those. What I never understood was why Congress cared about steroids. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:12:30 That never made any sense to me at all. Tremendous waste of money. Tax payers. None of them are athletes. And Nowitzki was very, well, that's the funniest thing about the congressional thing, was listening to Joe Biden talk about how back when he was an athlete, you know. Bitch, please. I always wondered if a guy was on some something.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Oh, I'm sure, Joe. My God-given talent. Like, he's so gross. Joe Biden's disgusting. George Bush mentioned steroids in his State of the Union. People always forget that Joe Biden's a plagiarist, by the way. He sure is. They forget that Joe Biden, we used to do Joe Biden night.
Starting point is 00:13:01 He cheated on his law school exam, right? Yeah, well, not just that. He plagiarized Kennedy's speeches when he's running for president back in 88 we were when we were at Stitch's comedy club in Boston we used to do a Joe Biden night in the 80s where comics would go up like I would do your material you do my material we do each other shit it's called Joe Biden that's really how does someone like that yeah how does someone like that and someone like Hillary Clinton would not forget about the email stuff,
Starting point is 00:13:25 but all the stuff she did with Bill Clinton with that Whitewater stuff. Oh, yeah. It's terrifying. How about all that stuff? That Whitewater. How are they still candidates? It's crazy. You need to read the book, The Strange Death of Vince Foster.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Vince Foster was one of the people that was involved in the Whitewater scandal. Jesus Christ. Shot himself on a park bench. Shot himself in a park, okay? Had the gun still in his hand, which never fucking happens. Every single expert will tell you when you shoot yourself in the head, your body goes,
Starting point is 00:13:55 and that gun goes flying. He's still got the gun in his hand. No blood at the scene of the crime. It's a message. His body had been moved. That's all it is. 100% his body had been moved. Conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:14:04 That's a message. That ain't even a conspiracy. That's gangster. That His body had been moved. That's all it is. 100% his body had been moved. Conspiracy. That's a message. That's a message. That ain't even a conspiracy. That's gangster. Like, that's what gangsters do. They don't want to just kill a body and have him disappear. They want to leave a message. You're going to try to bust us?
Starting point is 00:14:14 We're coming after you. Keep this shit out of court, or you and your family are dead. Makes sense. Simple. It's gangster. We just went into fucking conspiracy mode. Here we go. He's got a beer.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Conspiracy mode. His only matter is time. Keep the weed under wraps, Jamie. Keep it under wraps. Don't give it to him. How about Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush are both candidates for the presidency of the United States? This is how much Eddie Bravo loves conspiracies. He's criminal.
Starting point is 00:14:39 This girl's in full guard, and he's not even talking about jiu-jitsu. Doesn't give a fuck. If she went up to Michigan Draw, I'd shut the fuck up. I'd be like, shh, shh, shh. I'm pissed because I didn't get that joke. I don't see why after that Ben Saunders fight, everybody's not doing that. You know what? I got a message today.
Starting point is 00:14:59 It was really interesting. It's the jiu-jitsu coaches of the MMA camps. They decide what they're going to train in. What's the jujitsu coaches of the MMA camps. They decide what they're going to train in. What was the message, Joe? If they don't make that decision to stick that into training, let's work a little bit on this elbows from mission control. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Look what she's trying to do here. She's trying to wrap her leg and stick her foot underneath the armpit of Letourneau, who's on the bottom or on the top. Dude, I wish she gave up on him, but look, she keeps grabbing him. Oh, Triangle City.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Oh, damn. All she's got to do is squeeze her legs, leg curls, pull the head. She needs to control the head. Grab the shin. Grab the shin.
Starting point is 00:15:36 It's not even, it's just grab the head at this point. Oh, but look at, Letourneau thinks she's safe by tucking her arm under like that. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Yeah, definitely not, though. That shit doesn't work, especially like this. Oh, you get the squeeze. You'll under like that. Oh, man. Definitely not, though. That shit doesn't work. Especially like this. Oh, you get the squeeze. You'll get the squeeze. No, it's not going to happen. I wish in between rounds it would have happened. It would already happen.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Oh, wow. Nice. Nice escape. I wish they'd show the previous fights. Just a quick highlight in between rounds. Letourneau's a nasty striker, man. She's got good technique. You see the way she moves?
Starting point is 00:16:00 Very loose and relaxed. Good variation in her speed. She counters well, too. She just keeps her head down, chin down. Boom, boom. I'm beginning to listen to Nick Curzon about this. I think a giant part of what holds
Starting point is 00:16:18 fighters back is strength and conditioning. I used to think that it's more important to work on skills than anything. I think up to a certain point it is. But now I think what do you I used to think that it's more important to work on skills than anything I think up to a certain point it is but now I think what holds these people back is like like Letourneau right now I see a slower fighter than I saw in the first round I saw I see I see like some significant slowing and like she's having a hard time executing I agree it depends on your skill level yes It depends on your skill level you should focus more on strength, and get in shape so you can show your skills for three rounds, 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:16:47 In the first minute, two minutes of a fight, it's all about your skills. But then as fights go on, it's all about how much conditioning do you have in the tank to use those skills. It's all about how quickly you can recover and can your body recover multiple times. True. Yep. And you'd think at an elite level they would be able to go 25 minutes to me they seem gas they seem you know a little well they're slower they're slower for sure but that's see like dos anjos when we saw dos anjos fight Pettis that motherfucker kept that same pace
Starting point is 00:17:18 for five rounds he was guns a blazing for five rounds look at Demetrius Johnson and gets Ali baggy teen of Ali baggy teen off was on EP oh yeah I'll He was guns a-blazin' for five rounds. Dude, look at Demetrius Johnson against Oli Bagutinov. Oli Bagutinov was on EPO! And he outworked that motherfucker. T.J. Dillashaw, same thing. Yep, exactly. Same thing. He put a clinic on Barau.
Starting point is 00:17:36 You think T.J. Dillashaw, Mighty Mouse would happen? Can't happen? That would be fun. I think that would be a great fight. Why? It's only 10 pounds. Mighty Mouse has fought 135. He fought Dominic Cruz. It's true.
Starting point is 00:17:43 He lost to Dominic Cruz. Yep. I think that T.J. Dillashaw is. It's true. He lost to Dominic Cruz. Yep. I think that TJ Dillashaw is one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world. I think that fight with Hennon Burrow was like a wake-up call to everybody. He beat the fucking shit out of Hennon Burrow. What's next for TJ? I mean, he beat the fucking shit out of him. Like, he owned him.
Starting point is 00:17:58 From the moment- It wasn't even a fight, really. It wasn't a fight. It was a clinic. What's next for TJ? Dominic Cruz? Dominic Cruz. That's it.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Well, if Cruz's knee doesn't fall off. Everything. His knee, like. He breaks his hands all the time. So you can't count on that. I'd love to see that fight. It's a huge fight. And Dominic is natural.
Starting point is 00:18:16 He's all natural. And he's in his 30s. You know? And at 135 pounds, traditionally, especially in boxing, once you hit the 30s. Tough, man. Why could you? Your speed. NFL running backs, too. You, once you hit the 30s. Tough, man. It's done. NFL running backs do. You're done.
Starting point is 00:18:27 30, see ya. You rely on speed and reflexes more than anybody. Right. Correct. Because they're so fast. Like, you look at Mighty Mouse and Dodson. Holy shit, that's going to be a blur. That fight's going to be.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Dodson is a legit threat, though. He's a legit threat. Dodson can knock out anybody. He knocked out TJ. People don't forget about that an ultimate fighter fuck Yeah, he did he beat the shit out of TJ. He did different TJ for show totally different T There's TJ pre and post bang true and
Starting point is 00:18:56 Pre-prepare it's tough man cuz the same cuz no one loves fighting more than us right but that freaking Dotson John Dotson versus Johnson fights. it's a tough sell, man. I'm not like, ooh, I can't fucking wait to see them throw down. It's different. And those guys are more talented than anyone. It's because you're a sizist.
Starting point is 00:19:15 You might be right. You're a sizist? Hey, me and the entire world then, apparently. No problem. Because he's not selling pay-per-views. Do we got another round of this? Are his shows among the worst? Sizes.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Those just new. Like real bad? Not good. It's tough, man. He's the most talented guy in the UFC. It's just people at Hartfield jump on board on a small guy. Like he got denied access into the club. He's the freaking multi-time world champion of the UFC.
Starting point is 00:19:40 They thought he was 15? They had a height limit? I don't know what they had. There was just a lot of people. They didn't know who he was. You know those lines in Vegas? Nobody gets in those fucking lines. Oh, they didn't recognize him.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Yeah, they didn't recognize him. Yeah, those lines are bullshit. That's a bummer, man. Because he's so talented. Yeah. He needs a couple more good fights like Dodson. No, he needs an arch rival. He needs a Conor McGregor at 125.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Pearson Felder? Holy shit. She's cute. Great fight. Shit. Felder, I'm a huge fan of that dude. He's a beast. Holy fuck. at 125. Pearson Felder? Holy shit. She's cute. Great fight. Shit. Felder, I'm a huge fan of that dude. He's a beast. Holy fuck.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Yeah, he's fun to watch. That guy throws strikes from everywhere. Especially after that Barbosa fight. God damn. Oh. She got, she got. The fact that he, didn't he, he went the distance with him. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:19 He went the distance with him and Barbosa was kicking the shit out of his body. That switch kick. That switch kick is the fastest switch kick I've ever seen in my life. Ever. Ever. Ever. Remember Jamie Varner was talking about how before, and he beat him, but before that he was the most scared he's ever been before a fight?
Starting point is 00:20:35 Yeah. That's a scary fight. Against Barboza? You got scary fucking fights. When Joe Silva calls, he even said, you want Barboza? There's a couple guys where you get that call and you're like, oh, shit. I guess I'll take it. Think about that Terry Edom fight with that wheel kick
Starting point is 00:20:47 to the head. First wheel kick KO in the UFC. And then you gotta fight him next? Yeah. Jesus. His kicks, he's the only guy to have ever stopped two fighters with leg kicks. He's nasty, man. Mike Lulo and Rafael Oliveira, both with leg kicks. I'm not gonna rat the guy out, but super high-level guy. Super high-level guy.
Starting point is 00:21:03 My manager goes, Brendan, I want you in on this call. This is the best part of my job. Watch this, bro. Just got this huge fight announcement. He's texting Joe Silva. Watch this. We're in a hotel. Calls him on speed dial.
Starting point is 00:21:14 He goes, my man, got a fight for you. Who said this? Alexander Gustafson, September whatever. And he's all, wait, wait. And the guy goes Ah shit Really He goes Yeah man
Starting point is 00:21:27 He goes Ah fuck Well let's get this paper Hangs up the phone My manager's all Ah fuck man I want your boy's Gonna lose for sure
Starting point is 00:21:35 Let's get this paper He goes ah Let's get this paper His first reaction goes Ah fuck How do I solve that Who was that How do I solve that
Starting point is 00:21:43 Can't tell you man I'm not gonna sell the guy out. Big, long, tall motherfucker. And how long ago was this? It was TJ before they had weight classes. It was TJ Dillashaw. It was so funny, man. He was in Japan.
Starting point is 00:21:53 He was so heartbroken. That's crazy. Yeah, that's the thing about the UFC and MMA in general. There's a lot of fighters that they jump into the UFC, and they're starting to have some success. Well, there's a very short climb that they jump into the UFC, and they're starting to have some success. Well, there's a very short climb until you're in world-class territory. And if you beat one of those motherfuckers... Off to the races!
Starting point is 00:22:12 Yeah, you're... B-Shop style. You're in... B-Shop style. B-Shop style. I thought Chris Tush is sure in there, like, oh, cool, here's Gonzaga. I was like, holy fuck, man. Easy, bro.
Starting point is 00:22:21 I fight fights. What's up, Brad? Who's that? Stanley Cochran. Brad. Dallas, Tampa. High five fights. What's up, Brad? Who's that? Stanley Kockman. Dallas, Tampa. Excuse me, sir, is that an affliction shirt? Yes, it is. I don't know anything about it. It's about ice, and there's a black puck, I think they call it.
Starting point is 00:22:37 You gotta get it in the net, and when they do it, people go crazy. This is a good fight, man. This is a dope fight. No, no, no. Tony Sims is from Denver. Heame, Mercier is amazing. No, no, no. Tony Sims is from Denver. He's older. He's been boxing since he was like six. He got in the UFC super late, man.
Starting point is 00:22:51 This is his second short fight in a row. I'm telling you, this kid is a monster. Tough fight for him, though, either way. Hey, get me one of them beers there, Mr. Callum. Yeah, sure. I want mine a little wobbly pop, Callum. Olivier, Olivier. You'll hear me going, Olivier.
Starting point is 00:23:03 I'm excited about this main event, man. We got the bet on the main event or what, bro? You are. No, that's illegal. No,
Starting point is 00:23:11 we did co-main event. I got Neil Magny. You got Eric Silva. Remember? Honey, dick me, man. Doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Hold on. Let's admit it. Hold on. People listening to this. Don't know what we're talking about because we are. We had this discussion before the podcast, but Brendan Schaub sent me a photo, and I'm going to take this photo, and I'm going to show it to you guys.
Starting point is 00:23:32 But this is the difference. You can find this photo online. This is the difference between Eric Silva a while ago and Eric Silva now. A fan sent that to me. Honeydicken should be like steroids. You know what I mean? That shit should be bad. You know what I mean? Look at the photo on the top. That's him now. Look at the photo on the bottom. Oh, I got Honey Dicked. No, you got Eric Silva, bro. Are you suggesting? Can I see that? This is the suggest-
Starting point is 00:23:53 Oh no! Oh god, no! That was quick though. That was, um, beer and a laptop. I've been thinking about getting a new laptop. I'm really thinking. Oh no, that's $1,500. What'd you say, Jamie? Oh. Anyway, so the suggestion is that it's possible that Eric Silva may or may not have been. Oh, it looks like I got lucky here. Good Lord, what a difference.
Starting point is 00:24:21 It only got on my screen. God, all I know is I'm getting on the old TRT. I hate to tell you, you're still not going to look like that. It's too late. You don't know. I won't have his hair, I'll tell you that much. You're already 80. You should have done that in the 60s.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Guys, I've been taking creatine. That's why I look thicker. He has been taking creatine. Yep. Well, that stuff sort of works. It makes your face fat. It does. It adds water weight, for sure.
Starting point is 00:24:42 It made my face fat. That's what I was telling him. I was like, why is my face fat? It made my face fat. I gained. It adds water weight, for sure. I made my face fat. That's what I was telling him. I was like, why is my face fat? I gained five pounds on my face. That is a remarkable difference. I guess he's just not working out as hard.
Starting point is 00:24:56 That's it, for sure. He changed his diet. He's eating more fatty foods. Maybe more acai or some shit. More acai. Either way,
Starting point is 00:25:04 Eddie, you can't back out now, brother. You honeydicken. I got Neil Magny. He took the fight on two-week notice. You guys decided. I think Eddie is allowed to back off before the fight actually starts. You know what?
Starting point is 00:25:15 I'm not going to back off. Unless you guys exchange money. Even with your steroids, I'm going to do it. I'm going to go with the honeydicken. Notice how he said your steroids. My steroids. Like I'm the dealer or something. We'll do it.
Starting point is 00:25:26 It's on. Brian, how do you feel about this? I'm excited. I actually... You know Eric Silva's the favorite. Yeah, but he looks
Starting point is 00:25:33 soft now. He's still a cutie pie. He already had a problem with cardio, right? Yes. He's a monster that first round. He's just a ferocious guy
Starting point is 00:25:44 and he expends a lot of energy. When you fight a guy like Matt Brown, that shit is not recommended. Who would you take if you had to bet? The last thing you want to do is be drained. If you had to bet, who would you take right now? I like Magni. I like Magni in that fight because I think Magni is more consistent,
Starting point is 00:25:56 and Magni has great endurance, and Magni's only problem that he's shown inside the octagon at all is dealing with Damien motherfucking Maya, who is a constrictor. He's a constrictor. That's like you're a chained up sheep. And this fucking giant anaconda is wrapping its body around you and squeezing you tight. Well, who do you have in the main event, Eddie?
Starting point is 00:26:16 I had Holloway. Me too. No, I got Holloway too. Really? That guy's a beast. Okay, I disagree. I got Oliveira. You got $1,000? Yeah, I do have $1,000. Well, why don's a beast. Okay, I disagree. I got Oliveira. You got $1,000?
Starting point is 00:26:25 Yeah, I do have $1,000. Well, why don't you bet Brian Carroll? I'm fairly wealthy. I'll take the bet just to make the podcast more exciting. I don't want to take $1,000 from a good friend, but I'll bet you $20 just so I can win. All right. What are we betting? Why can't we do $20?
Starting point is 00:26:43 Well, how about we get out of here and we go to dinner and you pay? Yeah, let's do dinner. That's a good call. I've got to make sure I can do that. We go get some steak. We've got to make sure. Isn't that gross? We're married.
Starting point is 00:26:52 We have kids. This is bullshit. This is bullshit. We're not even masters of our own domain. It's true. I've got to see if I can. It makes me sick. I've got to see if I can do what I want to do.
Starting point is 00:27:02 I know. Because my boss, I have to check in with the boss. She's so awesome. She lets me do everything. Yeah, do what I want to do. I know. Because my boss, I have to check in with the boss. Well, she's so awesome. She lets me do everything. Yeah, no, I get that. Yeah, yeah. You're going to dinner, though. You have to come to the store all night.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Except having dinner. On Sundays, you kind of got to put in your time. All right, so make it $20. Nah, we'll go to dinner. All right. I got bullied into dinner. I have to pay now. But don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Max Holloway can win, and I would not be surprised. He's the favorite. I wouldn't be surprised. Is he? He's the favorite. Who am I taking? See, I disagree with that. It's a close fight.
Starting point is 00:27:32 I think it's a close fight. This is my take on it. I think that Oliveira is a little more tactical, both standing up and on the ground. Better on the ground. I agree. I'll switch it up. I'll take Oliveira. Even standing up.
Starting point is 00:27:43 You want to switch up the bet? Switch it up? Double or nothing Oliveira. Even standing up. Want to switch up the bet? Switch it up? Double or nothing? Forget about the Eric Silva. Well, that one's fun to bet on, too. Well, let's see how... Isn't Oliveira, like, kind of... Wouldn't he be kind of flubby, too? What do you mean? Flubby? Yeah, Oliveira, no?
Starting point is 00:27:57 What's flubby? Basically... He's not going to look the same, you're saying? Yes. Oh, nah, he's a really skinny guy. Yeah, he's thin. Yeah, he doesn't look like a Reuter at all. You don't think those... He actually dropped down from 55 to 45. Yeah, he's shredded. Yeah, I don't think he's a steroid user.
Starting point is 00:28:13 You want to switch it up? You take Holloway? Well, let's see after the Neil Magny fight. We'll do double or nothing, and I'll stick with Holloway. Well, let's... Before I ask you this question... Damn, you want to go 2,000 deep. Before I ask you this question Before I ask you this question
Starting point is 00:28:25 Let's think about the possibility Of the MMA media Blowing this out of proportion Because they always do It is TMZ now right Those last fight companion we had Had like 7 different articles Us drunk and stoned
Starting point is 00:28:41 Talking shit I snapshot sent to the rogue and went oh shit He just said fuck Now here's the question I was drunk and stoned talking shit. I snapshot sent it to the rogue and went, oh, shit. He just said, fuck. Now, here's the question. What percentage of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighters or Brazilian MMA fighters you think are on steroids? If you had to guess. Freezing.
Starting point is 00:28:57 Holding. Look at that face. No, you know what? Because you're asking. No, you know what? I don't want to just single out Brazilians. I think a majority of the guys are. A majority. But a lot of the Brazilians.
Starting point is 00:29:08 So you think it's 90% of all the MMA fighters are on steroids? Correct. Let's say, what Brazilians do you think are not on steroids? Well, that's a good question. That's ridiculous. Which ones are not? Nogueira, for sure, right? Nogueira.
Starting point is 00:29:22 He's not. Brennan, why are your eyes so wide? Brennan, why do you look like you've seen a ghost? eyes so wide? Why do you look like you've seen a ghost? Little Nog? Why do you look like you're fighting sheep? Eddie gets me in trouble, man. I think it was the Ronda thing last time. No, it wasn't me.
Starting point is 00:29:35 I apologize. I feel so bad. No, seriously, I feel really, really bad for that. You know what I mean? The understated thing about the steroids The understated thing about the steroids is the mental aspect. These fighters aren't coming out as aggressive. Silva's a destroyer normally,
Starting point is 00:29:52 but let's say he was on TRD. What's he going to be now? Is he going to be a little more passive? It's not just the body, it's the mind. People rely on that testosterone for aggression. It came from Pride. Pride is the killers. That's the better show than the UFC athletes.
Starting point is 00:30:07 They all came and got beat up by guys that weren't top-tier guys in the UFC, every one of those Pride athletes. True. And that's all due to drugs. And that's not abilities or strength even, I think. I think it's exactly what Aubrey's saying. They're like, who am I without this? Not only that, these guys weren't doing it properly, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:30:26 They didn't take enough time to recover and get their natural test level, so they were probably compromised. So not only were they not on steroids, they were compromised. Because when you look at some of those guys in Pride, we don't need to name names. It was awesome. We don't need to name names. But when they came over, they looked physically different. They looked
Starting point is 00:30:41 physically different. You know, I mean, look at Crow Cop. There's a perfect example. Crow Cop was a goddamn destroyer. I mean, you look at some of the fights that he had, the wear and tear. There's a lot going on, but he just was a different guy when he came to. You could probably look at the amount of high kicks he threw before and after, and it's just he wasn't aggressive enough when he came back. He used to throw that left kick all the time.
Starting point is 00:31:04 It was just like rolling the dice. Do they care about steroids? 1FC? Yeah, they want you on them. For sure? 1FC? It helps soccer kicks to the face. Roger's over there, right?
Starting point is 00:31:14 Steroids are not. Croke got fucked me up. When is Roger fighting? Coming up soon, I think. Like September 1st, maybe even. He looks good in training. Let's look at some of the videos of him hitting pads. I hung out with him in Thailand. It was a trip. He was a coach. It was a trip. He looks good in training. Yeah. Let's look at some of the videos of him hitting pads. I hung out with him in Thailand.
Starting point is 00:31:26 It was a trip. He was a coach. It was a trip. He had fun, man. Right when I got to Thailand, right when I landed, the thing that I tripped out on the most is everybody. I'm in a taxi, and we're getting driven to Tiger Muay Thai, and everybody's on little scooters.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Like four people per scooter. Kids. They're holding their kids, and everyone's riding scooters. And I thought, how insane and scary is this? I end up at Roger Werther's house a couple nights later. We're hanging out, chilling, and there's like four of us. And they said, let's go to the party town down the street. It's like 45 minutes away.
Starting point is 00:32:00 We're like, okay, let's go. And they all, I'm like, how are we how we getting there they go we're getting on scooters So I drove Roger where's the drove me in a scooter and I'm sitting behind him in a scooter 45 minutes through the hills And come on Tony's starting right now all ball Mercier and Sims powerful four minutes 53 seconds right now I lay Olivia It's 53 seconds right now. Allez, Olivier. Frappe, frappe très fort. Our ball, Marseille, is friends with the guys at Joe Beef in Montreal,
Starting point is 00:32:28 that restaurant that we always eat at. He's a great guy. Le boeuf, le boeuf. He's got that horse meat in him. He's got that. Allez, allez. Like, literally, they eat horse meat. Allez, mon ami.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Dude, I'm telling you, Tony Sim's boxing is fucking nasty. His boxing is filthy. Regardez le loot comme ça. Il prenait les jambes. Brian. Tire, tire. I'm doing French. You need to have earphones on so you hear how retarded you sound.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Yeah, but I'm doing French, bro. I'm helping the French people. You're French. Albon Marcier is good on the ground. Is there meat you can eat that can get you the similar effects as steroids? No. If you just eat nothing but rhino meat or something. Rhino meat and bear meat.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Don't spread those rumors. Asians will pick up on it and there'll be no rhino blood. Bison testicle. There's got to be something I can eat. Eat a shitload of raw bison testicle. That they can't ban. Like, oh, you can't eat moose anymore because it turns out moose shrinks your balls. There's some stuff that has IGF-1 in it that you can get.
Starting point is 00:33:22 But really good deer antler will have IGF-1 in it. How about you eat cows that are stuffed with steroids? So you just put the steroids in the meat and they eat the meat? You probably test positive, right? Yeah, for sure. You can test positive? Do that thing with the antlers. There's a guy who ran an elk farm up in Alberta,
Starting point is 00:33:43 and he got an elk farm just for the deer antler shit. It would take the velvet from the velvet and the velvet as IGF one, you spray it in your mouth and it, and it gives you a benefit like similar to taking growth hormone. The market dried up like instantaneously somehow or another. I don't know what it was, whether it became too easy to get real growth hormone or people just stopped using it i don't know what the fuck happened but this guy's stuck with a bunch of elk on this land every now and then he wanders out there and shoots one and eats it spent a million bucks he's got these fenced in elk yeah it's just not the most efficient way to do it igf1 isn't legal anyways and so like what's
Starting point is 00:34:20 the point you know is it legal to take that if you take take that deer antler shit? You can test positive? The trick is that if you test it and show that it has IGF-1, then it's not legal. You have to do it untested, and then you don't know whether it's got it in there or not. It's like this weird cat and mouse thing. I'm confused. You're not really allowed to sell IGF-1 over the counter. If you standardize the elk antler to make sure that it has IGF-1, then it's not legal, as far as I understand
Starting point is 00:34:48 when I looked into it. So even though it's still just a natural product that contains IGF-1 so it's illegal no matter what? To sell as a dietary supplement. I mean, you could sell it, but it's not approved as a dietary supplement. So it would be illegal, but you wouldn't test for it. So you could sell antler, but you
Starting point is 00:35:04 don't test for it. But then the consumer doesn't know if it's bullshit antler. You can't say anything you wouldn't test for it. So you could sell an antler, but you don't test for it. But then the consumer doesn't know if it's bullshit antler. You can't say anything. You just got to sell it. Does it have to be new antler, like the velvet on the new antler or something? Well, velvet is when they grow. It only happens when they grow. Unless you have a female that grows antlers, which is very rare. And sometimes they stay in velvet.
Starting point is 00:35:20 How the fuck did someone find that out? How did they figure there's IGF-1 in the antlers? What kind of crazy fuck figured that out? I don't know. Some fucking country axe-swinging redneck was just eating antlers. And just shred it. Just dick was just
Starting point is 00:35:37 nine feet. My knee feel better. IGF is insulin growth factor one. Is that what that is? Is that what HGH converts to in the body? Is that correct or no? I'd have to do a little research to go deeper on that. I'm not sure. A lot of guys were taking that, though.
Starting point is 00:35:53 A lot of football players were taking that. Deer Antler? Yeah, it's real popular stuff. I know a tennis pro does it. What did he say? He swears by it. He can play all day. Do they test in tennis? He swears by it. He plays. He can play all day. I mean, he's.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Do they test in tennis? He swears by goji berries and deer antler. Goji berries are very high in antioxidants. Yeah. Do they test in tennis? Yeah. They do. For sure. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:36:16 That's why they try to test. It was Venus or Serena. Serena. For sure. And she ran into her fucking safe. She had a safe house. Safe room in her house in case her house got home invaded. She ran into her safe room and called the cops on the fucking drug testers.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Really? Because she didn't want to get tested? Exactly. Dude, after talking to Novitski and talking to the two guys that I've talked to, what's his face, from Balco, Victor Conte, and Novitski, I am convinced that there's just a giant percentage of professional athletes that are on steroids. Certainly. You need to talk to them to figure that out, Joe. You really need to find out what the methods are.
Starting point is 00:36:55 They have testosterone now that they're making with animals. Yes. No longer with yams. So now the carbon isotope test that they used to catch people that were taking plant-based testosterone doesn't work anymore. So now you get, you know, this guy's going to be on this animal-based testosterone. So explain to me how they get, I mean, I can't believe they get testosterone from yams. This is the strangest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, you should probably pull out your phone and Google it and explain it to us all.
Starting point is 00:37:21 And there's micro-dosing now, right? Your boy was talking about that. They're doing four-hour hour doses a dose that only stays in your system for four hours Yeah, that's like the Alice Rodriguez shit. He was taking gummy bears testosterone gummy bears damn It's not gonna be long till they can clone your pituitary and just have it pumping out your own hormone. Yeah, right Yeah, I want some more from my spare pituitary over there. Yeah, okay We'll get a second pituitary gland installed in their head. Yeah, for sure. Why'd your head get wider?
Starting point is 00:37:47 Shut up. Just put one in the taint. Just right in the taint. Right in the taint. Yeah, you get your spleen removed, replace it with a pituitary gland. Did he say anything about the long-term effects? It doesn't seem like there's any evidence that microdosing testosterone is bad for you. Well, your body has testosterone in it.
Starting point is 00:38:04 It's not a foreign substance. Your body knows what to do with it. The problem with things that your body doesn't know what to do with is toxicity, liver toxicity. You know, there's a lot of issues with all sorts of different substances like EPO that cause strokes, unnatural things. Like when you take an EPO, your body's producing way more fucking red blood cells than it's supposed to.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Your blood's like sludge, all sorts of issues with that. But testosterone, your body knows what to do fucking red blood cells than it's supposed to. Your blood's like sludge. All sorts of issues with that. But testosterone, your body knows what to do with it. It's in there naturally. EPO, though, they're talking about those, the bike riders wake up in the middle of the night because their blood's so thick. Yeah, I told you this. Yeah, they would wake up and ride their bike in the middle of the night. Yeah, that's a buddy of ours.
Starting point is 00:38:42 How crazy is that? Because they had to get rid of the blood cells? What do you mean? The blood's so thick. The blood's so thick you have to wear yourself out and you have to do workouts and drink a lot of water in the middle of the night. They would set their alarms so they could get up every few hours and work out. I heard a
Starting point is 00:38:56 heart surgeon talk about one of the easiest things you can do. There are some studies that suggest that giving blood once a year actually is the best thing you can do to avoid stroke. And the reason women, they think, have less stroke and less heart disease, it might be because they bleed once a month. So what happens is you, I guess, your blood actually literally gets thinner.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Man, that was some rationale for leeches back in the day. Well, no, but I mean, in fact, this heart surgeon was talking about it. It was really fascinating. He goes, you know what you can do to increase your Well, no, but I mean, in fact, this heart surgeon was talking about it. It was really fascinating. He goes, you know what you can do to increase your, I guess, lower your cholesterol, and especially give blood. God damn it. Damn it, Tony.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Albon Mercier is stacked. Yeah, he looks very strong. Very strong. Powerful Easter bowling in the corner there. Yeah, Elliot Christian Allen, yeah, they're just having a hard time keeping this guy off of yeah, man It's all over back. He wants nothing in the stand-up game with him. He's just pinning me and taking him down Well, it's all because Martin do that smart though There's my boyfriend, Christian Allen.
Starting point is 00:40:09 It's going to be weird when they come up with all these fucking genetic manipulations that they're working on right now. They think China's already got myostatin inhibitors in place for their athletes. Jesus, man. Seriously? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, they think they're already experimenting on it.
Starting point is 00:40:22 They got someone locked up in a mountain somewhere, and they got some fucking dude who's got triple muscle and is going to live to be 190. That's awesome. That's awesome, by the way. I can't wait. That's what happened to those mice when they ran those tests on those myostatin inhibitors in mice. The mice became superhuman or super mice.
Starting point is 00:40:38 They got all this muscle on them, and they live longer. And they don't degenerate. Sign me up. Their muscle doesn't go away. So their muscle is like double muscles. Sign me up right now. They'll take it right now. There'll be a time when we choose.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Look at this. Sim's turning around. Look at this. He's about to get taken down again. How about a guillotine? How about a guillotine? A little wider there, fella. A little wider with that stance, please.
Starting point is 00:41:00 There'll be a time when we choose bodies like cars. That's going to be a bummer. We just insert consciousness into whatever body we want. Every girl's going to look the same. There's going to be designer cars. Yeah, they'll always switch it up, though, you know? They'll come out with a new model, and that'll be hot for a while. What else can you do?
Starting point is 00:41:17 It's not going to matter. How long do you think, realistically, how long? 500 years where they could pull your consciousness out and put it into Tate's body? How long? 500 years? We're gonna be able to have chips less than that We're gonna be able to have chips and you're gonna be able to live your life And then give me a chip at the end of the day and like what you do today You like watch it do it Plug it into me, and I'll live the life of Eddie Bravo for a day
Starting point is 00:41:39 I'm like bro check out this chick. I hooked up with play this Shoulda watch it can sell your dreams. You know what I mean? Record your dreams. Sell them. Boom. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of weird shit going on in the next 100, 200 years. You need his money.
Starting point is 00:41:51 There's one thing, though, with that novelty of being able to choose your body or whatever it is. It's like one of the things I think that people appreciate is hard work, is people meriting what it is. And if there's no merit to it, what's the value of it in a way? Not anymore, Tate. Forging character offers. old school, Tate. That's a spiritual crisis in a way. I mean, it's a thing because outside the physical realm, there's a whole entire other conversation to have with that.
Starting point is 00:42:14 And at what time do we get tired of the novelty for something with substance? Right. Our entire paradigm is built on that, on struggle. Yeah, the paradigm is going to have to shift. It's going to shift. Doesn't substance come from who you are though. That's a not your body, right? If you could be a 12 year old boy right now, would you be? What if you identify as a 12 year old boy? Can you still get into Chuck E cheese?
Starting point is 00:42:36 You can identify as anybody now there you can identify as black they caught a second guy pretending to be black Did you see that guy who identified as being an amputee and thought that's what he was and then he cut off his arm because his hand didn't feel normal to him? You saw that on HBO, right? It's called mental illness. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:56 It also flies in the face of all this stuff about we're all born equal. No, we're not. There's some different shit. It's stupid to say that we're born equal. It's nonsense No, we don't all start at the same starting line gender social construct man. It's a social construct No, it's not no no we're all different as fuck There's a broad spectrum of human beings and some of us have hands and some of us a lot of it's men I don't want hands well a lot of it like the guy the amputee you're talking a lot of it's you know mental disease
Starting point is 00:43:26 right so what do you do with those guys like well here's a thing I got something with Brian how about child molesters yeah they're mentally fucked up man the subway guy you're gonna get a footlong son you need a foot long now in jail please don't say that again no Jared that was a cover of daily news was it really yes yeah get damn um it was was the cover of New York Daily News. Was it really? Yes. Yeah. God damn it. It was what? The cover of New York Daily News.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Expect a footlong in jail. Is that true? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think he's super screwed. He's super screwed. But there was an article recently that was talking about people that have a natural inclination towards pedophilia. And that it's something that is hardwired into their brain. And they were trying to make this argument along those same lines as someone bring transgender. And I was like, whoa, this is a fucking very tricky argument.
Starting point is 00:44:16 It is. Because if you start giving people the green light to be pedophiles in any way, shape or form, there's a lot of people going to jump on that. That's not the debate. No, that's not the debate. No, it's not the debate. I'm not saying it's the debate. I'm talking about the science behind it.
Starting point is 00:44:27 The science behind it raises questions that they were born. There's no science behind transgender either. It's a social issue, right? There's no science where people are saying people are absolutely born a woman, trapped in a man's body. But socially, we are all accepting that now. The bigger question becomes this. If you can prove that it's neurological, then
Starting point is 00:44:43 what it classifies as is disability. Now, we all agree we don't want those people in your children but the question becomes to twofold all of us before punishment the most important thing is that they don't molest children that's what we want to stop them from doing so the question becomes do you give them safe haven to talk about it go get help figure out how to cure it you don't trust them trust them deeply you know You have to trust them deeply. You have to trust them deeply to not do anything about it, not to act on their urges.
Starting point is 00:45:12 It's like trusting a guy who lives in an island of hot chicks to not fuck. No, you keep them very far away from children. At this point, that means jail. How do you do that? Well, yeah. I mean, yeah. So you're going to take them in jail if they have a certain gene, or are you going to wait until they act?
Starting point is 00:45:22 That's the question. So most important is if they do find it's neurological, maybe there's a way to cure that or block the gene eventually. But before that... I don't think it's a genetic thing. Well, what they find is it might very well be... Most pedophiles, in a strange way, are left-handed. Why? We don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:39 But for the most part, there is a lot of evidence that suggests it could be neurological. It's not something in their childhood? Maybe, in some cases. There is a lot of evidence that suggests it could be neurological. It's not something in their childhood? Maybe, in some cases. There's a lot of different reasons. As we learn more about brain science, you're just finding more and more that sometimes this is a form of
Starting point is 00:45:55 quote-unquote brain damage or mental illness or whatever. The brain doesn't come out perfect every time. Sims is on top here, landing some fucking hammers, man. These are legit shots. He hits hard, here, landing some fucking hammers, man. These are legit shots. He hits hard, man. He hits fucking hard in close quarters. That's one thing about strikers.
Starting point is 00:46:11 You see that there's a big difference in what they can generate, the amount of power they can in short distances with ground and pound. You see that with Krokop and that Gonzaga fight. Those elbows inside the guard. It's because Krokop is a legit stri. I'm you're seeing this here with Sims He's close quarters. He's fucking Mercier up Ferguson with Tony Ferguson or a little John Dodson man there generate power in like inches. Yeah, they make it count Oh speaking of which Ferguson's gonna fight Khabib. That's a fight
Starting point is 00:46:40 That is a motherfucker. I'm not gonna med off and Ferguson is a and Ferguson is a fucking war I don't know I do not know but I love it I also love that fight Especially when you see what Ferguson's been Fucking doing to people lately It's going to be interesting to see Nermagomedov Because he's been hurt for a grant Nermagomedov
Starting point is 00:46:58 What did you call me? Habib Habib Nermagomedov It's going to be interesting to see him because he had so much time off He's been hurt What did you call me? Habib. Habib Nurmagomedov. It's going to be interesting to see him because he had so much time off. He's been hurt. And his knee's jacked. It's a tough fight.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I don't think his knee's 100%. I don't think it can be. It's a tough one. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. It's a hap. Oh, boy. Eddie, has he got it? Eddie?
Starting point is 00:47:21 No. He's trying. He doesn't seem to be struggling. He's sideways here. He's sideways here. He's sideways here. Uh-uh, triangle. Come on, it's right there. Triangle, triangle.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Triangle. You know, when a guy goes against a guy who's just better than him at jiu-jitsu, there's a certain amount of, like, recognition that the guy's better, and you don't try for certain shit. Like, you get big-brothered a little bit or something. Yeah. Yeah. Almost too much respect.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Mm-hmm. But then, like, you go for a sub, and you're like, fuck, I'm not really going to get this. You don't believe in it. Ultimate Fighter, September 9th, Aldo and my boy, Uriah Faber. McGregor. McGregor, I'm sorry. Or McGregor, rather. I don't know about the Ultimate Fighter format.
Starting point is 00:48:00 I don't know about that format. This is not good. Well, they're banking on Conor bringing the views now, right? Like, they're doing whatever they can to get the views back up. Yeah. I don't know, man format. This is not good. Well, they're banking on Conor bringing the views now, right? Like, they're doing whatever they can to get the views back up. Yeah. I don't know, man. You just gotta switch it up. If I was Conor, I wouldn't be into doing it. Me neither. But does that mean that he hurts his brand?
Starting point is 00:48:14 Does that mean he's gonna fight Uriah? No. It could possibly happen. It could turn... Listen, let me tell you something right now. If Aldo gets hurt again, they easily could have that fight. They easily could have Uriah Faber versus Conor. Just super fight style. Easily, easily, easily.
Starting point is 00:48:28 It's a great backup, for sure, if Aldo gets hurt. Especially if they can somehow or another generate some respectable ratings. How is Aldo doing? Does anybody know? Who knows? Hopefully good. Why do you think he's going to get hurt again? He could easily get hurt again.
Starting point is 00:48:41 He's pulled out of multiple fights. Yeah, and there's, you know, depending on what is actually going on when it comes to PEDs over there, who knows? Who knows? I mean, there's so much speculation. This coach had a press conference. I know, about PEDs. And about Brennan. We would be.
Starting point is 00:48:57 He said Brennan should wash his mouth out. Yeah. Hey, guys, Brennan likes Brazilians. Take it easy. We're not insulting Brazilians. That's not obvious you're doing shit at all. Well, there's without a doubt a certain amount of people that have been on the PEDs. I think it's a legit focus of discussion.
Starting point is 00:49:11 I just do. I'm not going to not talk about it. I'm not going to not talk about it as a speculation. Of course not. It's legit. It's legit. And especially after talking to Nowitzki and talking to many, many, many, many, many fighters and managers and trainers.
Starting point is 00:49:23 They work. They work. Of course they work. Yeah. Yeah. And here's the other thing. What Tim Kennedy said to you. He's like, have you been tested? many, many, many, many, many fighters and managers and trainers. They work. Of course they work. And here's the other thing. What Tim Kennedy said to you. He's like, have you been tested? I haven't been tested.
Starting point is 00:49:31 You know, that. Like, everyone's being tested. Everyone's being tested. Really? He's like, who's been tested? Yeah. Are you being tested? Tim got, I think he got tested yesterday or the day before.
Starting point is 00:49:40 No, I asked him if that was UFC. It wasn't UFC. Really? Who tested him? Because Tim had piss bottles up and he was like, but that was for Army. I don't think it was for that. Maybe that was for Army. No, because he put that out and goes, UFC still hasn't tested me. He goes, I'm getting tested now.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I think the military tests them all the time. And he goes, the UFC still hasn't tested me. Jesus Christ. And the question is, too, is not even who's currently on steroids, but who's on the live roster that's moving that has been. I mean, there's guys that has been that's like i mean there's guys that are cycling in and out all that all the time and really i think the question eddie asked but like who's not how many guys aren't is like who's never done that that's that's signed
Starting point is 00:50:14 under that contract that gets that check from the u.s yeah that was that weird moment in the anderson silva press conference where they said is this the first time you've ever been tested at a competition and he goes yes and i'm like fuck the one time they pop this the first time you've ever been tested at a competition? And he goes, yes. And I'm like, fuck. The one time they pop you. The only time you've ever been tested at a competition they pop you. But didn't he take Viagra or something? Allegedly. That's what he says.
Starting point is 00:50:35 There's more than one story. Boss Rooten was going over it, and he said that he changed his story three times. What happened? You didn't take Viagra? You test positive? Is that what happened? Let's not talk over each other. It elevates testosterone?
Starting point is 00:50:48 No, it has nothing to do with it. What did you say? Hold on. But Viagra is a performance enhancing drug and it is illegal. Because Viagra actually does enhance your body. It's like a very extreme version of nitric oxide. Phasodilator. Blood flow, right?
Starting point is 00:51:02 So it really does benefit you in endurance. Wow. Yeah, endurance athletes take Viagra. It, right? So it really does benefit you in endurance. Wow. Yeah, endurance athletes take Viagra. Opens your blood vessels? I've trained on it before. I did jujitsu. I took a Cialis and did jujitsu to see what it was like. You noticed the difference?
Starting point is 00:51:13 Yeah, yeah. It benefits you. But no more so than Shroom Tech. Don't ever do that again. Don't ever take Cialis and do jujitsu. Don't tell anybody. Come on. Why did you have a big dick?
Starting point is 00:51:25 Jesus Christ. What's the 10th planet secret? You don't get hard unless you're excited. Are you wearing a Muay Thai cover? He takes your back. He's like, that's exactly what you think it is, motherfucker. Is that a steel cup? You just say, is that?
Starting point is 00:51:37 Shut up. Nope, that's my dick. I own you. Steel cups are brutal, man. And what could you do if you got the guy's back with your hooks in? Just find a half a space on the wall and stare at it until he's done. Just press down on his tank. Just tap right away?
Starting point is 00:51:52 No, tap. Don't be silly. Don't be impolite. Just realize that there's a pecking order and he's the alpha. It's amazing to me that those metal cups are not illegal in the UFC. Well, if you kick one, you break your foot. I mean, it's like to train with guys with cups on is a drag. Like, that's a crummy thing to do.
Starting point is 00:52:07 For sure. Because they put it in you because it hurts, you mean? Yeah. You hit it with your foot, arm bars. It's a fulcrum point for arm bars. Break people's arms with it. Even if you're a guy who's on top in half guard and grinding. Like, that's a thing, man.
Starting point is 00:52:20 That's not comfortable. You know who did it the first time? You remember Amir Renovati? Amir Renovati? Amir Renovati mounted me once, and he put the grapevines in, and he had a... I go, what the fuck is that? He goes, it's a Thai cup, bro. A steel Thai cup. I go, ow! What the
Starting point is 00:52:33 fuck, man? He was like, no. It was mounting me. He was pressing it down on my... But back in the day, those were the only guys... When you were training, and there's a new guy, there are always kickboxers or boxers that came in that wanted to try jiu-jitsuitsu those were the only guys that work up there was never really grappling dude like i never really knew jujitsu guys that would wear cups some like but now but like back then it was like guys that came in from kickboxing they're like the way i train is i put shorts on i
Starting point is 00:52:57 get my shoes on and i put my cup on and that's the same way they would come onto the mats well i'm amazed at how many guys fight and they have like like, cups that are loose in their jock strap. They have regular old cups. Like, you guys are out of your fucking mind. Like plastic cups? That's what I wore. Yeah, those shitty ones. That's what I always wear.
Starting point is 00:53:11 I'm wearing a cup right now. Those diamond MMA cups are so goddamn good, you'd have to be fucking crazy to wear anything else other than a tie cup. Other than a tie cup with the rope, you'd have to be crazy. I just didn't give a fuck. I never wore one in football.
Starting point is 00:53:25 It's whatever, man. You let that fucking three-piece set, that baby bird, just flop around. Good job, guys. You let that little nub free. I don't give a shit. Did you always wear one, Eddie? I never wear a cup. Where's a holster?
Starting point is 00:53:41 Oh, guys! Sorry. I would only wear one like a week or two weeks before a fight to get used to it because I was going to wear it at the fight. But I would never, never, ever wear it training or anything. I never wore it training once until I was rolling with Einstein. He was trying to pass my guard and he shoved his knee right into my dick. And I got out of the class and I took my jockstrap off and it was filled with blood. Oh my God. And blood was coming out of the class, and I took my jockstrap off, and it was filled with blood. Oh, my God. And blood was coming out of my dick.
Starting point is 00:54:09 It was in the—he smashed my dick. Yep. Like, it smashed. And I was trying to figure out if I should go to the hospital. And I figured, well, if it was my nose when I go to the hospital, no. So I said, all right, let me just go home and see. So I was feeling it. It didn't hurt.
Starting point is 00:54:22 So I said, let me see if I could get it hard. So I got hard, and I jerked off. It didn't hurt. So I said, let me see if I could get it hard. So I got hard and I jerked off. I jerked off. I jerked off and it came out like one of those chickens. You ever get a chicken that's got an embryo in it? It's all bloody and all fucked up. You got any photos? No. So I pissed and
Starting point is 00:54:37 came blood for three or four days. But it never hurt. I would have gone right to the doctor. Me too. I kind of feel like under that scrutiny of if it were my nose, my cock is so much more important than my nose. You say that, but if you don't have a nose, good luck using your cock.
Starting point is 00:54:53 If your nose is missing, no one's going to suck your dick. This fucking Skeletor dude with his giant dick. Get out of here. Did he smash your balls or the trunk? Right into my dick hole. It was like...
Starting point is 00:55:09 That's happened before. You know it's that pass where someone's trying to slice the knee through. Yep. And he just made a mistake. It stings. It slammed into my dick. Into my dick. It was only one time it happened after who knows how many years of training.
Starting point is 00:55:22 But that was it for me, dog. Thank God you weren't on Cialis. If that thing would have been hard. That's what I'm saying. Well, I probably would have absorbed it better. Or ripped that shit off. I don't know. Like, you ever have a girl riding you and then slips out and then lands on it?
Starting point is 00:55:34 Jesus. I don't because mine is too long. I know. Yeah, I got his dick broken. How about Homeboy? Remember Homeboy got his dick broken? Yeah. That happens, man.
Starting point is 00:55:41 I talked to him. He was in a wheelchair. I talked to that guy in a wheelchair after it happened and he told me exactly what happened and how his dick broke in half
Starting point is 00:55:50 from a girl riding him. Oh, my God. Oh, that's... That's a reckless girl. He was in a wheelchair. How dare she? His dick broke. Some real freaks out there.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Sex, blood everywhere. Dick broke. The guy's an MMA fighter. I know a guy who got kicked in the nuts from fighting, and then his testosterone went, got really low later on in his life. And the doctor said it's probably because, because one ball was bigger than the other,
Starting point is 00:56:14 because it never swelled and never went down. The doctor said you injured your nuts fighting, and that's why, that's probably why your testosterone is low. There was one of the guys who was fighting for the UFC was Training and he went to it spar with a buddy and he just didn't bother putting his cup on cuz they were just gonna move Around light got kicked in the balls lost his ball Jesus never never never same again never know he went his ball exploded. He got kicked in the ball and Yes surgery just leave what are you gonna do? He's sorry that it really did or you do to do? You let it reabsorb.
Starting point is 00:56:49 You take a cheesecloth, you wrap it up, you tighten it down. No, it's nothing. It's like they removed it. It exploded. I finally figured out. You see those spectacles where they have some guy who gets kicked in the nuts really hard, like a kung fu guy who just stands there. Well, I figured out what he's doing because occasionally when I'm having sex,
Starting point is 00:57:10 one ball will find a hiding place. It finds that oh yeah and under the cartilage i was like where the hell did it go and then you just plop it out you know yeah but they just must do that they just go backstage and they just hide actually hide their balls fight science did a study on it and they said that actually fight science is not science let's just be honest so what they do in movies a lot of times is there's a hard hold on one at a time here what their balls develop calcium deposits so their balls actually get super hard from from trauma i feel like i feel like red band's not even here and i feel like oh brian you know what i mean a little bit i'm telling you i realized we need a highlight reel of the ultimate ball shot our lives key versus near the using for our laughs key from a decade ago Look at this fuck that I'll tell you what that Frank Mir Todd Duffy fight was
Starting point is 00:57:54 insane Call as a crazy ran How about Bigfoot couldn't take a punch at all then fight so a politely andle, and he's back. Can take a punch, no problem. Bro, I don't like that rematch with Bigfoot Marcant. That's a legendary fight, and now you've got to... I don't like it, man. Doesn't matter. It doesn't take away from that fight.
Starting point is 00:58:15 I'm sorry, but I thought Andrzej Oleski was fighting for the title. Why? No, Kane is. I don't know. I thought that was the rumor. No, Kane. I think it was going to either be Dos Anjos or Dos Santos, rather. I don't know why they don't do Dos Santos-Ovary.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Ovary was begging for it. Yeah, they are doing that. That's the fight. But Orlovsky, god damn, look at this. When he stopped Travis Brown, god damn, he's back. He's a vicious fucking striker. You know, the guy had some confidence problems. He got KO'd a bunch of times.
Starting point is 00:58:48 But at the end of the day, that guy is a vicious fucking striker. How about for him sticking through it? Yeah. What did he get, knockout four in a row? Many times. Look at him now. Well, watch his fight with Carrotoff and Strikeforce. That's a tough fight to watch, man.
Starting point is 00:59:00 You watch that fight, and you're like, this fight's over. Yes. This is over. Oh. Todd Duffy. God damn, son. Those are both similar fights. watch man you watch that fight and like this fight's over yes this is over oh Todd Duffy god damn son those are both similar fights the Mir Duffy and very similar Travis Brown yeah in a lot of ways right just wild except the end the tempo was so definitive yeah I mean Mir's there was no
Starting point is 00:59:20 coming back from that I mean he could they could have counted to 100. How about Mears, too, man? Mears, another guy just stuck with it, man. Look at him. Yeah, yeah. You just got to think about just a few years ago. He was like, what, was he one out of his last six? How about when Josh Barnett crushed him just like two years ago? Josh Barnett crushed him two years ago, and now he's on the verge of a title shot.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Chad LaPree, Francisco Trinaldo. Trinaldo fought 185 at Ultimate Fighter in Brazil, and now he's 155. Crazy. Chad LaPreece coming out with a cross on. The IV thing doesn't start until October, correct, Joe? Exactly. That's why this December fight with Aldo is going to be real problematic for Mr. McGregor because Mr. McGregor cuts a fuckload of weight.
Starting point is 01:00:09 So does Aldo, though. Yep, both guys do. They both look like shit. They just got to start cutting early. So does Weidman, though. Weidman cuts a shitload of weight. Well, you know, that's the conversation that I had with Novitski. I was like, they have to add weight classes.
Starting point is 01:00:21 They have to. But the UFC doesn't want to add weight classes because they think it waters down the sport. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. I think there's enough weight classes. Leave it the way they are. Deal with it. But there's not. There's giant jumps.
Starting point is 01:00:32 There's a 20-pound jump. It does matter. 185 to 205 is a huge jump. That's fine. The guys make nine jumps anyway, though. They're still doing it. You guys transcend three weight classes sometimes. But you're not fighting.
Starting point is 01:00:43 If you were fighting, you wouldn't be fine with it. No, I know. Maybe for the fighters it could be better. But for the sport You guys transcend three weight classes sometimes. But you're not fighting. If you were fighting, you wouldn't be fine with it. No, I know. Maybe for the fighters, it could be better. But for the sport, we have enough weight classes. No, I'm with Joe, man, because a lot of these guys, look at the heavyweight. 206 or 265 is fucking insane. That's a nice problem. I like it.
Starting point is 01:00:57 No, it's not. It's interesting. As a fighter, it's not cool, man. As a fighter, no. As an audience member, I'm not talking about the fighters. I'm talking about the spectators. You mean there's some fans that do track of his views, right? I like that.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Yeah, and it's too much already. We don't need more. You do, though, because what about a guy like Chris Weidman? He's a bad motherfucker, right? He's a champion right now. He's doing great. He walks, what, 220? He's doing great.
Starting point is 01:01:15 He's a big boy. He's a big boy. He's killing himself to get to 85. He needs to, in between camps, maybe not blow up as much. You don't understand. He's not blowing up. He's dehydrating. He's naturally.
Starting point is 01:01:26 He fights at 185? Yes. Then he should fight 205. What if he fought at 200? What if his optimal weight's 200? Huh? What if his optimal weight to perform is at 200? I like the weight classes the way they are.
Starting point is 01:01:38 I don't want any more. You don't find a problem. You're not using any logic. You're just saying you like them. The heavyweight class, that argument, that is ridiculous. Especially when the heavyweights are so poor. There are six really great heavyweights, and then the rest is just hard to get guys that are that big
Starting point is 01:01:55 that are really moving the envelope like that. And a lot of those guys are 205ers. Easy, easy 205ers. And so if you had a weight class that started at 230 that was reasonable to have a guy that's like a Frank Mearside guy that's not super huge and have a guy fight a 300 pound man on the day.
Starting point is 01:02:13 To Joe's point, do you care if Conor McGregor and Aldo fought at 150? 160? Do any of us give a fuck in here? I don't care. I want to see the best. I want to see the guys. I want to see the best fighter at the best weight. Then you need more weight classes.
Starting point is 01:02:28 That's what I mean. I'd rather see Aldo. If Aldo fights better and faster and longer and with more intensity at 155, I'd rather see that. I think the weight class is the way they are. Force up fights more instead of going, well, I'm in this weight class and I'm in this weight class. I disagree. Well, you could see more super fights where people meet in the middle for a belt. That's what it should be.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Belts are bullshit. Who cares? It's the best fighters are the best fighters. We all know who the best fighters are, right? Have the best fighters fight the best guys. When you beat the best guys, you're the best fighter. This idea of the champion, I just think, at a certain point in time, who cares? If Aldo has the belt,
Starting point is 01:03:03 look, McGregor has, let's be honest, McGregor has an illegitimate belt. Sure. Made up. It's a made up belt. I mean, we call it the interim belt, but Aldo defended his title a year ago. Stripping a guy because he can't get through a camp without getting injured is a part of MMA. It's always been a part of MMA.
Starting point is 01:03:20 But because of the marketing, because of the hype behind it, because of the huge event, the enormity the the Economics of the event they decide to make it an interim fight, so he's got a title all those got a title They both have titles, so they're fighting for the undisputed title So it becomes this big thing that they have to get on a scale And they have to have a certain amount of mass in their body And then they rehydrate like crazy and do their best to get back up to whatever the fuck they really are
Starting point is 01:03:43 Wouldn't it be better if they just fought? I like it. We know how big Conor is. We know how big Aldo is. Let's go fight, guys. The other thing that would be cool, if you didn't have belts like that or you had a mitigated value to them, you could have catch fights for everybody. You could go, okay, Jon Jones, what do you want to fight Weidman at?
Starting point is 01:04:01 Or whatever. You could do any of that stuff with every single fight and then it would be real matchups. I also feel it adds another dimension. So fighting, the biggest thing is that it does become, if you're sucking inordinate amounts of weight, it kind of part of being a champion
Starting point is 01:04:17 then has to be how good is your nutrition program? How good is your weight loss program? And that becomes a huge part of fighting when it probably shouldn't. What about more brain trauma? Correct. Homeboy Jeff Novitsky was saying that it takes 72 hours to rehydrate
Starting point is 01:04:34 your brain. So even with IVs. No belts. You guys are saying no belts. Just catch weight fights. No, no. I want belts, but let's do more divisions so guys aren't killing themselves to make these weights. You just want to see the best athlete. I think the UFC is amazing and they're doing an amazing job and like to like add this and add that. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:52 It'd be funny if you took your mask off and you weren't Eddie and you were actually Dana. That's a really good Eddie Bravo mask. You know what? There's so much good shit happening in the UFC. Too much that you can't even keep track of it. To add more weights and then take away the belts. This is an illogical discussion. It's not that they're not doing a great job.
Starting point is 01:05:07 They're saying all these reasons why more weight classes would be beneficial and not cutting weight would be beneficial and you're like, everything's great. It's a crazy way of looking at things. Maybe he's super positive. Give me one of those beers. It's a good beer, by the way.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Hey, you know what? I appreciate it. It's a good beer, by the way. Hey, you know what? I appreciate it. Are you part of this company? Yeah. It would be safer and it'd be easier. It'd be better for the fight. We'd get better performances if they weren't killing themselves. Nuevo. We should start a fighter union. That's the name of the company? Trying to get me in trouble again, man.
Starting point is 01:05:40 Okay, what do we got here? I love what's going on. Chad LaPree. It's perfect. Screwy ass fucked up judges And all that shit you never know who's going to win Fuck yeah it adds to the excitement I love that shit Adelaide Berg Give me more
Starting point is 01:05:53 I'm appreciative I love the belts and all that shit I love the fact that if you're a champion And knowing that If you don't take this fight, if you try to back off for whatever reason, maybe you fake an injury, maybe you don't fake an injury, maybe you don't want to get busted with steroids, whatever it is, I think it's good for them to know that, hey, if you fuck around, we're going to strip that fucking belt. I like that. Like, oh, I'm not going to fight. Oh, I hurt my ankle. Oh, I hurt my shoulder.
Starting point is 01:06:25 You know what I mean? You never know. It's nice to know that you can't do that shit anytime you want. We'll take your fucking belt, and we're going to make you guys fight. That's ridiculous. Because if they're the champion, and the champion gets hurt in training, if they are clean, and they actually do get hurt, and they can't fight, you're just going to take their belt?
Starting point is 01:06:39 That's crazy. It adds excitement. No. I like it. There's no stability. Eddie, you're talking crazy. Oh, come on. You guys start a fighter's union. Eddie, you're a troublem it. There's no stability. You're talking crazy. Oh, come on. You guys start a fighter's union.
Starting point is 01:06:47 And you're a troublemaker. He's a troublemaker. And he's kind of a positive troublemaker. Hey, listen. I love what's going on. I love this shit. And you love it, too. We're having a fucking podcast because of this shit.
Starting point is 01:06:57 You're not even watching the fights. I'm watching right here. Look. He's watching me. He's watching me, man. Who's winning? Who's fighting is a better question for you. Is that an American black guy or is that a Brazilian black guy?
Starting point is 01:07:07 It's really a man. Okay, I don't know. It's hard to tell. Oh, the pre's with a nice right hand. Oh, shit. He's no joke. This kid would be a handful in the ring. You know what I mean, guys?
Starting point is 01:07:19 They got the jerseys color-coded, by the way, Eddie, so that'll give you a little heads up. Green on the shorts means Brazil. Do they make one guy wear it? Oh, really? Yeah, green on the shorts, Brazil. I so that'll give you a little heads up. Green on the shorts means Brazil. Do they make one guy wear, like, uh... Yeah, green on the shorts, Brazil. I don't like that. They should change that. Red on the shorts.
Starting point is 01:07:28 They should make them all wear the same jersey. Ooh. By the way. Has anybody worn, like, have you ever seen someone wearing, like, those Reebok fighter kits? Have you ever worn anybody in the street? Haven't seen one. I got the pants when I was in Andrew Craig's.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Dude, come on. No one's buying that shit. The tops are silly. You had to wear them? Oh, yeah. They had them all laid out in a locker, and that shit. You had to wear them? Oh, yeah. They had them all laid out in a locker. Wow.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Did they make you wear sneakers? Oh! Damn, I missed it. Damn. Did they make you wear sneakers, too? 100%. Socks, too. Everything? Only my underwear was socks.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Wow. Oh, he pulled guard. The only kid I've ever seen was at Aubrey Marcus' house. It was hanging in your closet, and I was like, oh, cool. I saved my shit from the Ben Saunders fight. It's all bloody. I saved that shit. seen was that aubrey marcus's house yeah it was hanging in your closet and i was like oh cool yeah i saved my from the best fighters fight it's all bloody i saved that i'm never wearing it it would be brutal if they made you give it up and then they sold it they sell it at ebay worn kits oh look at that hey that's too hard that's too hard it's gonna ruin his brain yeah this one's over this's going to ruin his brain. Yeah, this one's over. This is definitely going to ruin his brain.
Starting point is 01:08:25 All these count. All these count. What about the downward elbow right there? What happens then? Damn, Fernando's a bad motherfucker. Those aren't that hard. They'll stop it, though. That's it, bitch.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Damn. Wow. Nice. Holy shit. Francisco Trinaldo. Where is Saskatoon, by the way? Saskatoon is Saskatchewan Is it?
Starting point is 01:08:46 I think it's the capital of Saskatchewan Is that where this is at? Hey Chris Beal already fought right? What happened? Chris Beal fought? Is that what you said? He's the black guy right? Yes I just came from Gracie Worlds with Tate
Starting point is 01:09:00 I didn't keep track of the prelims I'm sad that Sam Stout got killed in the first round. Me too, man. That bumps me out. What happened to Chris Beal? I'm trying to find out right now. Prelim results. Fuck, man. Super bummer for Sam Stout. Sam retired. He retired in the octagon after the fight.
Starting point is 01:09:20 Man. Arantes beat Joboy. Tapped him out. Wait, Chris Beal lost? No, Joboy is not Chris Beal. I thought you said Joboy. Hold on. I thought you said he beat Joboy.
Starting point is 01:09:36 I was watching Chris Beal. I think he won a decision, I think. I'll tell you right now. No, Beal lost. In a decision, Joe? Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't watching close. 29, well, it was a split decision.
Starting point is 01:09:48 It was a close fight. Damn. Yeah. Oh, no, no, it wasn't a split decision. 29, 28, 29, 28, 27, 30 for the Greek gentleman. You trained with him, Eddie? Yeah, he's been coming out. Okay.
Starting point is 01:09:59 He's a bad motherfucker, Chris Beal. Yeah. Hell yeah, he is, dude. Dude, Sam Stout, though, that's heartbreaking, man. You guys know him? He's such a good dude. He just can't take a shot anymore and he's a good dude but we've been doing it forever we've seen it so many times guys that have an iron chin and then all of a sudden they reach a certain point they can't take it anymore and a lighter guy a guy that's always cut a lot of weight you know like a real legend but always always cut a lot of weight and like
Starting point is 01:10:24 man that that stuff's real. It stays with you. And then the training. You always train, always being hit. There's never a rest. Yeah, it was interesting. You guys watch Ultimate Insider, the John Anik show? Good show.
Starting point is 01:10:36 And they had Rashad on. Rashad was talking about how he used to train and how he trains now. And they used to think that you had to beat yourself up so that you could be able to fight. And he's like, no, that doesn't really work. He's like it's a good theory Yeah, it's good in theory, but in actual practice you just can't do that I think the thing is I mean the smart way I think that there's only a few guys that are doing it but and I think Rhonda probably does it but um You the only good thing about sparring a lot is that you it's not like you're staying sharp
Starting point is 01:11:04 I think you're just learning you're tough and you learn you can withstand stuff. You're not getting better, but to hit mitts, to work on timing, all that stuff, I think after the first couple, three years of your fight, you don't need to spar ever. What was Kennedy doing? You just don't. Yeah, Tim Kennedy, we were talking about it, and he goes, oh, I don't spar at all. He goes, what do I need to know? I can take a shot because I've been fighting for how long?
Starting point is 01:11:25 He goes, I don't spar at all. Here's what I need to know. I can take a shot because I've been fighting for how long? Because I don't spar at all. I just feel like... Because the only time we go live is when I'm inside the octagon. And I've heard this from a number of fighters. And there's a trend in NFL, too, and college. There's a lot of college teams. They do not hit anymore. There's no more live practice.
Starting point is 01:11:38 These are top, top teams. Don't you pay a price, though, when you're going full and distance and, like, I don't know. It doesn't make a difference in speed, distance, and defense. When you've been doing it for that long, do you really— I don't know. And you're hitting targets. You've got a guy hitting mitts. It's just like hitting somebody in the face.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Your footwork is the same. The guys that are holding mitts for these guys on the top are the fucking finest fighters in the world that are now holding mitts for guys. You look at a Bang Ludwig or a Mike Winklejohn that's holding mitts. A Brandon Gibson. Those guys are fucking killers. Don't get it twisted. I heard Winklejohn has some serious power.
Starting point is 01:12:14 He is so frightening. I'd go into the gym and it'd be early in the morning and they'll hold mitts. I'd hear, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Just somebody beating the fuck out of a bag. It's just him back there. It's dark. It's so fucking eerie.
Starting point is 01:12:27 And just a bag taking a beating. He was a world champ, right? A world champ. Multiple times. Kickboxer. Kickboxer. Bad, bad, bad dude. Like compare him to somebody power-wise, like a Melvin, Melvin Manhoef.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Like what kind of powers you got? I don't know. I heard he's ridiculous. I heard his kicks have ridiculous power. You're looking at him going, I go, what's your workout? What are you doing has he got? I don't know. I heard he's ridiculous. I heard his kicks have ridiculous power. You're looking at him. I go, what's your workout? What are you doing on the bag? He goes, I'm doing nine-minute rounds, and it's just nonstop.
Starting point is 01:12:52 He's an animal. It's like, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. It's like the cadence is fucking crazy. How big is he? Is he a big guy? Was he a heavyweight? 185, 190. He's probably not even that big.
Starting point is 01:13:03 But I just keep hearing from people they go dude You you need to see that guy kick the bag. I say they say he has ridiculous power Such a good dude the work ethic is I mean it's amazing that he's a he's one of the toughest kindest most gracious dudes ever helps Everybody well, he's the one training Holly Holmes right yeah, he's Holly Holmes been Holly I mean he's been Holly's coach for for for Holly Holmes, right? Yeah, he's Holly Holmes. He's been Holly's coach for ages. All right. You good on here, Jamie?
Starting point is 01:13:31 She was a boxer for all the boxes. Let's try not to talk over each other, though, because we've got a lot of mics going on. We've got five, seven mics. Yeah, I don't know, man. The Holly Holmes fight is intriguing to me, as Amanda Nunes would be. I would just like to see Holly get maybe another one or two warm-ups because we've seen her in the octagon, and she's just not put it together yet to get to that level of Ronda. And her big issue is the grappling, you know?
Starting point is 01:13:53 That's a huge issue. With Ronda. Yes. She's very patient, too. That's not really going to work against Ronda. Ronda's going to come right after her. She won't have time to be patient. That's another thing, another drawback, I think,
Starting point is 01:14:07 to being such a fine boxer in that arena. You can be patient. It's a long, drawn-out battle. Ronda doesn't fight that way. Who knows, though, man? You never know. Maybe Holly, because her stand-up is so much more refined, she's been doing it for so much longer,
Starting point is 01:14:22 maybe she can keep Ronda away from her. Who the fuck knows. I'm no serious. I just think I just think honestly The real problem is there's a lack of talent. I like I said, I'm not mad at the UFC. I get it man Let's let's at least let the world know who Holly is she can get all this marketing right Ron Does only a fight for so long Holly is a badass whoever's managing cyborg? I think there's plenty of higher criminal Ronda's is way better than all of these men That's what I know he fired. She fired him. Yes, they still train together. Yeah, she needs to get with MC Hammer Go hammer go that was he was doing that for a while, right? Yeah, my manager son
Starting point is 01:15:01 I was in an MC Hammer rap video. Wait, wait, wait. What happened with MC Hammer? He's out? I was in a rap video, but I wasn't dancing. What did you do in this room? Is he out? He's not in MMA no more?
Starting point is 01:15:11 What happened? You can't tell us this? Seriously, though, I wondered what happened to MC Hammer. Is he still... He's not involved at all? He's killing the game, man. He's an investor in Facebook, Salesforce. Money for gold or whatever. Cash for gold. Yeah, that's it. Oh, and he's an investor in facebook sales for gold gold money for gold or whatever has for gold yeah that's it oh so he's blowing up do you know more
Starting point is 01:15:30 than a businessman no matter how I'm so I think it's a perform anymore yeah thanks so he does he does man I just saw my digital under the way to Vegas for the next 20 years wait wait wait he what you want to see him you know he came here. And you left the house.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Yeah, I worked with him, man. I'm going to go see him. No, he's got all those big sponsors that everyone's giving me shit for. All those came from MC Hammer. Salesforce, all that. Still off the pants? Airbnb. No.
Starting point is 01:15:58 I wish. Those are the dopest pants. He sells out in, like, Africa and shit. You know, yeah. That was the funniest thing you've ever said, dude. Like in China. Africa and shit. You know him. That was the funniest thing he's ever said. No, like in China. Africa and shit. Well, like in China, Expendables 17 is huge.
Starting point is 01:16:13 But here we're like, what the fuck? This is a good fight. Cote and Berkman, this is a good fight. It's a throwback to 2006. Can you imagine the numbers he does in the Congo? No, I'm serious. Holy shit. He probably plays open air jungles.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Jiu-jitsu with the gi. Every day I improve with the gi. Notice I'm doing things that no one can do in the fight because they don't have the grip. No, he did not say that. This is three years since he became a black belt. Today he's going to give him the first black stripe. Charles Oliveira. Damn, he had that piece of tape in his fucking collar.
Starting point is 01:16:45 That was awesome. You just learned a technique. Oh, my friend. I think the girls in the game, too, right now, they got to realize they got way more power than they think because there is such a small amount of them that are valuable as talented fighters.
Starting point is 01:17:01 Yeah, man. I disagree. I don't. You disagree on what? Who else are you going to get? When you're looking at women to fight Ronda, Holly Holmes is the baddest woman walking, I think. She's badass. I think it's early for her, whatever, whatever.
Starting point is 01:17:15 However, how many more out there? Five? Six? Tate, my friend. It's not like the UFC is a tough show. So Ronda could fight. My mom could fight Ronda at UFC 192, and they'd still sell as many pay-per-views. It does not matter who she fights.
Starting point is 01:17:29 That's true. It does not matter. Betch Coe, we don't know who the fuck she is. Holly Holmes, we know who she is. Ronda's still going to sell this bitch out. It's like Roy Jones when he was in his prime, and he was just starching everybody. It doesn't matter. It was the Roy Jones world tour.
Starting point is 01:17:45 Yeah, man. We're paying to see Ronda beat up whoever. Ronda's going to have to do things now. She's going to have to do a judo match during the day and then have an MMA fight at night. Remember when Roy Jones played basketball? That's right. He played basketball the day of a world title defense. The day of! Not the day before.
Starting point is 01:18:02 The day of! Played basketball and then went out and whooped some ass at night. Day of! Played basketball. And then went out and whooped some ass at night. One of my favorite stories about that is John Jones chasing a guy down, a robber, a purse snatcher in New York City. Fucking runs him down, tackles him, retrieves the purse from the lady, holds the guy for the cops, and then goes who's he knocking? Shogun. Shogun, right?
Starting point is 01:18:20 For the title. Becomes the youngest ever champion. That's like a made up story. You want to see that movie? That's fiction in its real life. Someone's making that John Jones movie right now. He's back training, by the way. Hell yeah, he is.
Starting point is 01:18:31 There's footage of him training at Jackson's right now. Right away, right after he got in that trouble, Mr. Winklejohn was like, you're back in, help all the rest of the guys. Whatever you're doing, you're doing, but help these guys. And he was in right. He's a good, he's a stand-up dude, man. The whole division's like, eee, fuck. He's training again. I saw him doing crunches a good, he's a stand-up dude, man. The whole division's like, eee, fuck. He's training again.
Starting point is 01:18:46 I saw him doing crunches. Well, here's the problem. Like, what's going to happen with him criminally? You know, running away from, it's a big fucking deal. Running away from an accident. It's a felony, right, Joe? Because she got broken bones, correct? Yeah, it's a serious injury.
Starting point is 01:19:01 If there's an injury. Not only that, he was of mind to come back and get whatever he needed from his car and then leave again. The problem with that is there goes, I mean,
Starting point is 01:19:11 I'm not saying he should lie, but there's a defense that you could always use in a car accident that you got hit so hard in the head you didn't know what the fuck you were doing.
Starting point is 01:19:18 And then you left. You know, no one could use that argument better than a guy like John Jones. Why is it taking so long? I don't know how long I That's why they always say if you are in a situation and you're drunk
Starting point is 01:19:36 People in the know will run away from the scene sure you can say I hit my head and I was disoriented There's no way to prove yes that you weren't exactly seen is not and I was disoriented. There's no way to prove the next day that you weren't. Exactly. So leaving the scene is not, the defense, and it wins, is I didn't know where I was, and I just left. I know he came back and got cash. Even still?
Starting point is 01:19:51 No. The difference with this is that somebody was hurt. Makes it felonious. If you're just leaving the scene, not as bad a deal as a drunk driving. Hurting somebody, leaving the scene, way worse. I love the fact you used the word felonious. I do, too. That was intense. Felonious monk. I'm with it, though. That fact you used the word felonious. Yeah, I was intent.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Felonious monk. I'm with it, though. That should be a rapper. Felonious monk. You know? Instead of felonious monk. There probably is a rap, I bet.
Starting point is 01:20:13 I bet you're right. I think, look it up right now, I bet you're totally right. Jones. I bet you're wrong. I bet that's easy, Eddie. That's your shit.
Starting point is 01:20:19 Jones should pay his penance, come back, take Verdum's belt, and take fucking... That's exactly what's gonna happen, Aubrey. Take them both. He's become fresh out of prison.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Who? Yeah, there's the guy. His name is Thelonious Monk. Damn. Monk was a great pianist, and he went crazy. Thelonious. Thelonious. Thelonious went crazy.
Starting point is 01:20:38 He's a great jazz pianist. What about that? He actually went crazy. Even the best jazz pianist, you can keep him. How about that? He was a genius. How about that? You've got the nicest jazz pianist, you can keep him. How about that? He was a genius. How about that? You've got the nicest jazz pianist I've ever seen.
Starting point is 01:20:47 Dude, I went to the L.A. County Museum of Art the other day. Save your fucking brain cells. Save your time. I'm going to show you some pictures. I'm not bullshitting. There's a plexiglass box on the ground. It was roped off. I go, is that the art?
Starting point is 01:21:04 That's the art. It is a plexiglass box. And there's some bullshit written on the ground. It was roped off. I go, is that the art? That's the art. It is a plexiglass box. And there's some bullshit written on the wall. What this box is supposed to represent. It's a fucking box. I paid money to see a box. It's a box. Were your kids bored out of their mind? Out of their mind. They were ready to run through walls. There was a critic who said that the reason that those kinds of things sold for millions of dollars was because a small group of people who are modern art aficionados wanted to be and feel really exclusive.
Starting point is 01:21:31 It was essentially like... Assholes. Assholes. It's so bad. You don't. The art there is so bad. There's one piece of art. There's a screen that has 18 different separate videos playing at the same time.
Starting point is 01:21:42 It's just people like throwing a ball to each other. One guy's juggling. One guy's smoking a cigarette. It's so fucking dumb. It's so dumb it made me angry. I was like, I can't believe you fucks made me look at this. One of them was supposed to represent tar and feathering.
Starting point is 01:22:00 So it was like a black background with some feathers on it. I was like, I'll fucking kill you. I'll fucking kill you I'll fucking kill you if you put this in a museum did you pay to get in there? I paid I didn't have to pay either because I'm a fucking
Starting point is 01:22:10 resident of LA County I could have got in for free and a celebrity I'm like let's contribute let's contribute so we paid to get in there's nothing more
Starting point is 01:22:19 maddening than a modern art exhibit especially the art that came out of the 60s and 70s Rauschenberg and those guys not only that man the people they were so fucking pretentious there's one of them is junk they have an art there's an
Starting point is 01:22:31 exhibit as they called junk and you go there and it's just garbage they've glued in frames it's so fucking stupid there's some place that they just open where they opened it to a lot of street artists and they just had blank walls in there and there and they let that go which i think has huge potential to be badass well some street artists are fucking really super talented you know justin he wants to do your podcast you see him he did like baby blues he did a place by clutch um oh yeah that dude's never he's wicked red bands like red bands the one who really turned like he Texted us hey dude cuz Justin Bua's daughter trains at my school, and I don't know any artist
Starting point is 01:23:11 I know Todd white. That's it and I didn't know who Justin Bua. Yeah, I'm not I'm not big in the art world I don't really he he's enough. He's a Painter of lots of shit, but he's known for painting hip-hop artists and doing weird-looking paintings of them that are insane. He's got books. Anyways, Red Band wanted me to tell you about it. Well, that's why Red Band should do his own podcast. I've been telling him forever.
Starting point is 01:23:40 You have all these interests that I don't have in. You should do your own podcast. You'd be good at a podcast. Just start your own thing and do it. Doesn't Red Band do his own? I thought he had five of them. Doesn't he have 16? No.
Starting point is 01:23:51 He has this thing called Dysentery, but it just gets girls on. He gets drunk and harasses them. What? It's called The Sexual Harassment of Brian Red Band. That's the name of the podcast. What I'm saying is he should do a show where he has guests on. Call it the Red Band Show. I thought he had that.
Starting point is 01:24:04 No, he doesn't. That's? I thought he does that no he doesn't that's what I did too. No he doesn't have any single podcast That's like the red band show he does to kill Tony. He does all of them with other people, but he would be good One-on-one he knows you know what he knows that he's like he's like the engineer guys like the dr. Dre of podcast Well, he doesn't even act as an engineer on my show anymore. He sits as a co-host You know I think he's better off when he's not distracted by computers in front of him and all this stuff. First of all, he's so ADD. He'll just start Googling things. I'll catch him going on his Facebook and like, we're doing a show.
Starting point is 01:24:36 Like, put your phone down just for a show. But that's how his mind is. Like, if you go to dinner with him, he's like that. If he's like, but that's also why he's got so much information on stuff that's going on the internet and you know i mean he'll tell you look i'm looking for things to talk about like yeah but you gotta kind of like talk right but we're in an actual conversation now currently it's not his fault but what i'm saying is he would probably recognize that more if he was doing his own show like if he did like the red band show it's like it's not like you don't have time for it you only do my show like once or twice at the most a week
Starting point is 01:25:06 You have all these other days you don't have another job like you should do it's like you could be really good at it I think he would really have a Huge market because I think he's a weird guy. He's funny. He says a lot of crazy silly shit He's got a lot of varied bizarre interests I think would help him like would help him like so people could see like what he's really all about what people like about him it'd be better for him it helped his comedy for sure yeah fuck yeah and then like a guy like this guy like this artist or be you know it would expose people to things that he's into cuz he's in a lot of me I find out about a lot of
Starting point is 01:25:39 stuff in the fringe stuff yeah doing that and he had a regular time and and he had to be true to somebody else, he invited a guest, it would hone his discipline. And if he did that... Did we just lose DirecTV? Wow, DirecTV almost shit. A couple 35-year-olds going at it. He had to suck a lot of weight.
Starting point is 01:25:57 I think that for almost everybody that is involved in stand-up comedy, doing your own podcast is a great idea. Unless you don't need your Russell Peters or Louis CK Why bother you know but for anybody else like a guy like me or for Bill Burr? I'm sure it's been gigantic for his career for Joey Diaz. It's been gigantic. It's been gigantic for you It's been gigantic for you for me. It's been fucking amazing been a lifesaver for me man for me, too I think it's the best form of community
Starting point is 01:26:23 I just think more people should define what's true to them. And there's, like, some people that are... I've seen, like, I know podcasts where guys, they work with other guys and they fucking wind up hating each other. Like, Eddie Ift had that with Jim Jeffries. They had this great podcast together, but they couldn't keep
Starting point is 01:26:39 it together together. Now Eddie's got his own thing. He's got other shit. He's had three different ones. Like that. Like, Eddie's gone through. What was that about they just didn't get along it's hard man sometimes you want to talk and they're talking and sometimes you disagree and you don't want to discuss certain things or the things that you think are interesting they think are dumb and you get mad never had that with my boy over here well that's one of the reasons why you guys work so well together you guys have interesting dynamics and you know when you say ridiculous shit that it's ridiculous yeah and so you play along with it when everybody shits on you right because
Starting point is 01:27:09 you're kind of semi-serious when you first bring things up yeah and then you're not married to it you realize along the way what you've said why is it just hit him with the right hand here and oh yeah for sure brian he would think about you know and then it becomes you kind of go with it no guys guys i box guys that's like yeah that's technically i was reading a study and it's a fact actually that's like watching sean porter box and i was like they look like i feel like i could navigate that kind of like that movement i wouldn't literally think that sometimes because i'm watching it and i'm like oh god look at your comedy berkman is so relaxed like that same personality he was talking about yeah you're like you go out and you say, fuck, I wish I was a big motherfucker. I wish that knife-throwing thing, you just want to be this knife expert.
Starting point is 01:27:51 Meanwhile, we're missing a good fight. It's a really good fight. Jack Berkman is a bad motherfucker. He's throwing a lot of kicks. These guys, man, these guys know what is up. I got Kote winning via TKO. Well, I think Kote's jiu-jitsu has really improved. Really improved.
Starting point is 01:28:08 I was really impressed with his takedowns and his jiu-jitsu in his last fight. How about that he was the guy that went the longest with Anderson? Well, before he blew his knee out. Well, he exposed a fundamental flaw in Anderson's game that is if you don't lead, he doesn't either. True. Oh! No joke, man. He stood in Lombard's face, man. Choked out.
Starting point is 01:28:29 Choked out John Fitch in one round. Put him to sleep. That's right. I forgot about that. Caught him in that guillotine. Put him to sleep. He's a fucking veteran. Yeah, he's been very good. It was very good in World Series of Fighting. Relaxed. He doesn't want to fight since. He doesn't want to fight in the UFC yet. Well, he fought Lombard, came in short notice,
Starting point is 01:28:46 and wasn't feeling well for that fight either. Then fought Stun Gun and got choked. Did he get choked? Was that lost by... Which kind of choke was it? He's lost four in a row, I think. Berkman? But he fought...
Starting point is 01:28:57 Tell you what, man, I will always keep a guy like Berkman around. He makes shit interesting. Swings to the fences. He's fun to watch. He's very smart. He's a good dude Left handy tagged him with when he was old dude he hits hard and you know what else about Berkman He's real calm in there very he gets he gets real relaxed. Look at him right now. He doesn't expend his energy.
Starting point is 01:29:25 He also went through some significant injuries with his back. Oh, that's right. Yeah, he healed it up in some weird way. He was talking to me about it, and I really didn't understand it, and I wanted to go in more in-depth with him. But he said he did balance work and a lot of positive thinking. What kind of injury are we talking about? That dude from Westside Barbell?
Starting point is 01:29:44 Bulging. That dude from Westside Barbell, he broke his back in like five different ways. Louis Simmons. Yeah. And Shane Sweat, he's one of his main instructors, he was saying that that's why he developed the reverse hyper machine. Yeah. Specifically to heal his back.
Starting point is 01:29:58 Yeah. And he healed his back by himself. Five breaks in his fucking spine. They all wanted to cut him open. They all wanted to fuse his discs. That a bad dude man yeah he's a bad motherfucker I got guys look talk about transfer of power man in a huge way where it's like when you see tip-tap boxing and all that stuff and what is making guys turn it over that like that stuff is trained like you can change like everybody's
Starting point is 01:30:20 like oh he's got knockout power he doesn't it's like you can give that to somebody you can train yourself into that. I've never seen anybody that is a pity pat punch become a bomber. Look at his takedown defense. Look at Berksman's takedown defense. Nobody trains it either. Nobody trains it either. But like a George Foreman guy, you don't have to train that shit.
Starting point is 01:30:34 No, you're born with it. There's guys you don't have to. Julian Jackson. But it doesn't mean that it's outside of the realm of others' possibility. That is true. I mean, I think it has to do with your ability to cover distance in a very quick amount of time. But it also has to do with bone mass. Sure.
Starting point is 01:30:48 Bone mass is undeniable when it comes to punching. It's not a weird secret that people with giant hands hit way fucking harder. They just do. But even like you look at Little Dodson. He's not a huge guy by any means. He's explosive. And he puts guys down. He's so ridiculous and fast.
Starting point is 01:31:04 He's explosive. He's born ridiculous and fast. He's explosive. He turns his hips over like that. No, no. He's got some serious speed. Every movement that he makes is 100%. This is a good fucking fight, man. Nice short elbows by Cote there. I slept on Berkman.
Starting point is 01:31:19 I thought he was going to get starched by Hector Lombard. A juiced up Hector Lombard. And he freaking rolled that thing out, man. Yeah, he's tough as fuck, dude. Did Lombard get popped for juice? He got popped for that fight. Oh, Jesus, these guys are going off. Cote is fucking tough.
Starting point is 01:31:35 Cote's a lot bigger. God, he's tough, man. He's one of the toughest guys as far as his ability to take a shot and keep his confidence. He looks like he's in a different weight class than Bergman. Well, he has. He's a big guy. He fought at 185 for the title. And he was a 205 or two. He looks like he's in a different weight class than Berkman. Well, he has. He's a big guy. He fought at 185 for the title.
Starting point is 01:31:46 And he was a 205 or two. He's a good analyst, too. He fought Tito in his first fight in the UFC. First guy to knock Tito down. He knocked Tito down and surprised him. He's a bad motherfucker. Look at him. He's got a lot better with his grappling.
Starting point is 01:31:57 His grappling has really improved in a big way. He's a good athlete. He broke his hands. Did you know, Joe? Oh! It's over. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, Berkman is fucking hurt.
Starting point is 01:32:05 Wow. Look at Berkman swinging fast. Hurt and dangerous. Look at him say that. That was pretty good. I love Berkman. He's still hurt, man. He's still hurt.
Starting point is 01:32:13 He doesn't have his feet on. He doesn't know where he was when he threw that. He has no idea. Wow. Man. Wow. I'm over here trying to pretend I'm unfazed by that. I'm just going to walk it off.
Starting point is 01:32:23 I hope I'm walking in the right direction. Are these my coaches. Jesus Christ. When he caught Patrick with that shot, and you know guys hit pretty well when he's like, I'm going to just change directions, go right for a double leg right now, not even think about it.
Starting point is 01:32:36 True. Oof. That single leg is not finished all that often, but someone who does it really well, I think, is Shogun. I see him finish that single leg a lot. The best is DC. If he gets a hold of your leg, you're going for a ride. But does he go to the crotch?
Starting point is 01:32:53 Shogun, I'm not a wrestler. I don't really know, but he seems to do it a different way. He snaps it. He knows how to snap it. He knows how to straighten your leg out and snap you down. But in my opinion, the scariest is Nurmagomedov. Nurmagomedov, that motherfucker out-grapples everybody. True.
Starting point is 01:33:07 Like, you see him get a hold of people, he just ragdolls everybody. It's the way he's doing it that's so confusing. Like, Dos Anjos is strong as fuck, and he's a really good grappler. And when you see him fight Nurmagomedov, Nurmagomedov's like, eh, not today. Think you'll be on bottom for a while eating elbow sandwiches. He beat Dos Anjos. Yes. A lot of people forget a while eating elbow sandwiches. He beat Dos Sanjos. Yes. A lot of people forget he's not a wrestler.
Starting point is 01:33:29 He beat everybody. He beat everybody. That combat Samba. Oh, look at that right hand. Combat Samba. He was world champion Samba. Wasn't he also a high-level wrestler? He can wrestle for sure.
Starting point is 01:33:38 Yeah, he can wrestle. His background is primarily Samba. I don't know if he has experience. He threw a lot of Greco in that shit. Tony got a little better wrestling than Rafael Dos Anjos. Tony Ferguson? Oh, you're saying better wrestling than Dos Anjos? Yes.
Starting point is 01:33:55 Ooh, that's tough. Come on, man. Tony wrestled in college. Tony is a real wrestler. I agree. Dos Anjos is a world champion. Tony wrestled in high school and college. And he's legit. American. He's legit.
Starting point is 01:34:06 Freestyle. America. Trust me. He's a legit wrestler. I'm with you. I'm talking about UFC grappling, wrestling. Rafael Dos Anjos is a jiu-jitsu guy. He's from Brazil. There's three wrestlers in Brazil.
Starting point is 01:34:18 I know. But in the UFC, he's the champ. They have a team. How dare you? They have a whole team. And you? They have a whole guy. Renato Babalu. Guys, try out for it. Remember how weird was it that Renato Babalu was that MMA, Brazilian MMA fighter that was a wrestler?
Starting point is 01:34:35 He was the only Brazilian wrestler out there. You don't have a lot of big wrestlers that come out of Brazil, really. Renato Babalu was a wrestler. You know who does an amazing job with a single leg? It's Glover Teixeira. The way he runs that pipe. He's wrestling. Super underrated. That's a great wrestler.
Starting point is 01:34:51 That's a basic pike run. A lot of Brazilians can wrestle now. Don't get me wrong. Glover can do it because of Chuck Liddell. It's different when you're raised that way and you're going to junior high school and you're wrestling and then you're going to high school and then you're going to college. It's a little bit different. You guys can't talk over each other.
Starting point is 01:35:06 I'm going to explode. If Glover grabs your leg, if you're single leg, he's the one guy that you're taking down the fence. It probably isn't going to work too well. And he was doing basic stuff, too. What's really impressive, there's a video of your boy Cyborg. The other Cyborg, Roberto Abreu. Cyborg Abreu? Yeah, he's doing these drills.
Starting point is 01:35:23 God damn, that guy moves good. Tornado drills or what? He's doing drills, like guard pass drills. Jamie, go look at Cyborg BJJ on Instagram and pull up the video. Just watch how he moves for a 235-pound guy. I know what you're talking about. He passes, knee on the belly, and then the guy rolls into him, and then he jumps to the back.
Starting point is 01:35:42 Dude, you saw the video today? Yeah. Amazing, right? Was it today? No, I'm talking about a video from like a week ago. Oh, well, I'm then he jumps to the back. Dude, you saw the video today? Yeah. Amazing, right? Was it today? Yeah. No, I'm talking about a video from like a week ago. Oh, well, I'm sure he's got a bunch. Did you post it, Joe?
Starting point is 01:35:50 No, he posted it. Look at this. Watch it, Eddie. Eddie, watch this. No, no, this is a different one, Jamie. This is him. That's him. That's just an escape that he does.
Starting point is 01:36:01 That one, right-hand corner. This is it. Watch this shit. Watch this pass. Look how fast this motherfucker moves. The moment he rolls into him, right-hand corner. This is it. Watch this shit. Watch this pass. Look how fast this motherfucker moves. He's a big guy, man. Look at this. For a guy this big to move that well.
Starting point is 01:36:14 I mean, fuck. What's that hat he has on? It's ear guards, brother. How dare you? How dare you, Tate? Beautiful. I mean, I'm so impressed with that. I mean, I can't imagine. That's a 240-pound man that can move like that. That's fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:36:30 That's how big he is, right? He's about 240? Yeah, 240. Man. Matt Morris thought he was 230. He's a fucking panther. I mean, he really is a panther. That is freakish.
Starting point is 01:36:40 He beat Boucher at the last time they competed. He's a freak man weird He is as good as it gets when it comes to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in this fight look at this guy's as good as it gets Yes, it's a monster so strong. He's different from a lot of those guys in like his physical preparation, too He puts all these videos up of the strength and conditioning shit that he does yeah Fuck do like NFL combine shit the motherfucker is it running with rubber bands pulling them and shit. He's a true pro. Yeah He's a true. He's like a real pro. Yeah His preparation got to yeah, really nice guy great guy real positive online really like inspirational online
Starting point is 01:37:16 I'm a huge fan of his me to follow him you will you will you bummed out that people were mad at you about that metamoros About are you talking about the shop shutdown? Yeah, no Bummed out that people were mad at you about that Metamorris bout? Are you talking about the Schaub shutdown? Yeah. The Schaub shutdown for folks who aren't aware. Brandon Schaub just shut down all of his takedowns and just made him, you know, made him kind of stand up there and realize if this fight,
Starting point is 01:37:36 if I don't want this fight to go to the ground, you're not going to get me to the ground. Well, but then I went in his guard eight times. Yeah, you did. After a while. I was like, you know what? Cool. Check this out. I'll go in your guard. But the first thing you did, and you did this within a couple months of a UFC fight,
Starting point is 01:37:45 and everybody was mad at you. But I was like, well, listen, you've got to look at it this way. The guy's a professional MMA fighter. The other guy he's fighting is known for tearing knees to pieces. Like, this is a—oh, look at this Berkman. Look at that guillotine again. It wasn't even that, Joe. It was more like—
Starting point is 01:38:01 It's not worth the risk. Well, not even that. I wouldn't have signed up if it wasn't for that. The plan was to wear him out. I wanted to keep shooting, keep shooting so I could get a hold of his neck. Because all my stuff is in transitions. He knew this. So he stopped shooting, and then he just sat to his butt.
Starting point is 01:38:17 I was like, well, we've got to get something going here. So that's why I kept going to his guard. So your whole game plan was to try to catch him as he was trying to take you down. And then when he decided to sit to his butt, I was like, I didn't even think of that. I'm like, well, fuck. And then you get that kind of weird, like, he's not engaging, I didn't, you know. Even when you were actually grappling, he never was able to put you in a weird position. No.
Starting point is 01:38:35 You should really do some Adam Morris type shit, dude. I would love to, man. I don't know what Hollick's deal is. Or Eddie Bravo, invitational, a super fight in the heavyweight division. Eddie, who you got for him? What's up, Eddie? In Austin, Texas. Hey, we might be able to provide.
Starting point is 01:38:53 Want to do Cyborg? Can I get someone else? We've already been there. We've already been there. I want to see part two. I just saw that guard passing. I need somebody else. Now that I know that what you was trying to do to me is catch me when I'm coming in for the shot.
Starting point is 01:39:06 Because you're not going to be able to do that in overtime, EBI overtime. You ain't going to be able to do that. I'm not worried about that. There's only one guy in the world who I do that to, and that's Cyborg. Hey, you know what? When the rule set says that if there's no submission at the end of 15 minutes or 20 minutes, it's a draw. I would do the exact same thing. If I'm going with a guy that was fucking crazy dangerous,
Starting point is 01:39:30 I'd rather take the goddamn draw than get choked out, or I would do the same goddamn thing. Well, no, that wasn't my plan. Oh, let's just go to a draw. My plan was to choke his ass out in a darts or a guillotine. That was the plan to get him shooting to open up and transition. Dude, if you submitted signboards, you know how goddamn big that would be? Yeah, I do. That's why I signed up
Starting point is 01:39:50 for it. Holy shit, that would have been giant. But you were, like, you know, I would be super fucking cautious. Oh, are you kidding me? Super cautious. I would be cautious. This motherfucking, this is a cyborg? Oh, damn. Goddamn. Bad motherfucker. Oh! Look at this.
Starting point is 01:40:04 He came out a different fighter. Joe Berk hurt. Oh! Look at this. He came out a different fighter. Bergman is hurting Cote. Joe Bergman. Oh, my God, and he returns. Returns fired. Holy shit. It's tough, man. These guys are rough.
Starting point is 01:40:13 Oh, my God. Damn. Oh, he tagged him again. He's wobbled. Damn, Bergman is so accurate. Bergman's a great fighter, man. He's so calm in the pocket, too. It's the accurate. Man, Berkman's a great fighter, man. He's so calm in the pocket, too. It's the football.
Starting point is 01:40:28 Yeah, he doesn't get emotional, does he? No, he stays way calm. Especially coming after. Look at that. He sees everything that way, you know? He's a real veteran. But so is Cote, man. He really is.
Starting point is 01:40:39 Cote is as calm as they get under fire. Cote's one of the hardest hitters at 70, man. Jesus Christ. Is he, though? I think so. Because don't you think that the cut down to 170 has maybe diminished a bit of that? Because it's hard. He's not the same.
Starting point is 01:40:52 He's lost physical size. True, but he's still a big 70er. Yes, he's big, for sure. But we haven't really been seeing him knock guys out like he did. Oh! I want to see this! Oh, my God! I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:41:08 I missed that last part what we said oh my god How tough is Berkman how tough you mean? Oh my he's almost back Could that not have been There's never been a better timing ever you're like he's not really knocking guys Power 170 listen to me Joe Rogan and Gary power 70 as well as 185 Great cut was amazing. That's the third round and he's not tired at all. That was fucking amazing I love a fight what a fight and you gotta think how rocked he got early in that round Yes, well he was covering up and Berkman was going off on him.
Starting point is 01:41:47 That motherfucker is tough as shit. That was dope. God damn, that right hand was picture perfect, too. It's a huge fight in front of all his fans, too, in Canada. Yeah. God damn. And a war. That's like the sweetest victory.
Starting point is 01:42:03 Because it's one where you pull yourself out of the fire. Fuck. You see the benefits from your training and your camp. He was in a couple spots where he was in a lot of trouble. Oh my goodness. But that right hand was so beautiful. Look how he sets it up too. Faints with the jab first.
Starting point is 01:42:20 Still didn't knock him out cold. Josh Berkman is tough as fuck. Tough as fuck. Berkman almost got up. Yes. You know what, and I'll tell you what, if they didn't stop the fight Berkman would have eventually gotten up Watch, what he does here, he goes I don't want to come up, I'm going to pull guard He rolls to his back here
Starting point is 01:42:35 He's right there Yeah, they probably shouldn't have stopped it But either way, whatever He wasn't upset that they stopped it either, though. Powerful Patrick Cote. Well, he knows. I mean, he knows. He got a bomb dropped on his chin. I love that he set it up, too. The pawing
Starting point is 01:42:54 with the jab to get that distance, then boom. Fight of the night so far. Oh, yeah. I commentated a fight where the ref stopped it early and the guy was complaining that it stopped it early. So the ref said, this was in the hall, and the ref said, okay, fight again. So the guy got knocked out again.
Starting point is 01:43:10 Oh, hell no. I don't want to throw the fighter under the bus. He's a really nice guy. What organization, King of the Cage? Too hot to handle. The guy complained. He was complaining, why did you stop it? I wasn't rocked. He goes, you were out. I wasn't rocked. And the ref said, alright, let's go again.
Starting point is 01:43:26 And then he backed up in the corner and said, you could see it in his eyes. He's like, fuck. He never thought the ref would continue the fight. Hasn't that happened in the UFC before where they're like, no, no, watch the replay. You're unconscious. Well, not, but Murillo Bustamante had to tap Matt Lindland out twice. Remember that? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:46 Why? What do you mean? Big John McCarthy fucked up. Matt Lindlund, he caught Matt Lindlund in an arm bar. Matt Lindlund tapped, and then he said he didn't tap. He was just trying to change his position. And so they made him fight again. And then the next round, Murillo, I think, caught him in a guillotine.
Starting point is 01:44:01 Pretty sure it was a guillotine. But he had to tap him twice. Because of a, you know, it's an error by the referee. Hey, bro, I'm just trying to change position. Well, I think John saw the arm was fully straightened out, saw he was fighting Bustamante, saw he ain't getting out of that. No, that's legit. Stop, man.
Starting point is 01:44:18 That's Carlson Gracie's original squad of black belts. Tall man, too. He's good, man. He's good. And Matt Lindland, you know, he's a fucking competitor. You could say that about him. He bit somebody when I was wrestling with him. He did?
Starting point is 01:44:30 Yeah. It was like one of his amateur wrestling matches. He bit some dude. Who'd always gross me out with all that tobacco and his, like, upper lip type tobacco dude. Like, straight hillbilly shit. He was one of the toughest guys alive for a little while. Oh, that whole squad up there. Yeah. He was one of the toughest guys alive for a little while all that whole squad up there Yeah, he was one of the toughest man 85 pounders in the world Randy was up there like Well, that's when he fought David Terrell when David Terrell was a real threat dude He was a strong knocked him out. Dave Terrell was terrifying. I remember him grappling a grapplers quest and
Starting point is 01:45:01 He was he was just ripping heads off. Yeah. I heard in the gym he's like the biggest freak. He's a monster. I heard he's an absolute nightmare to grapple with. Well, you should see him fucking go back and watch his early Abu Dhabis. Dude, Dave Turrell was a monster. Oh, I'm familiar with him. He's a super monster.
Starting point is 01:45:17 I'm a huge fan. But, you know, he had some serious fucking infections in his ear from cauliflower where they had to remove his ear. They cut his ear off his head and they had to scrape it out and it was all pus and everything in there. I think they had to wind up cauterizing inside his ear. He had some serious fucking ear problems. I had no idea about that. Dude,
Starting point is 01:45:36 cauliflower ear, you know, most of it you like look at Cote's ear right there. Most of it is just cosmetic, but there are times where you get ear problems where it goes deep inside the ear And you're in a big fucking terrible situation The worst I've ever seen is guys when they Like on the outside it's not a big deal
Starting point is 01:45:52 But when that starts to close off And then their hearing is mitigated Oh yeah and they get staph You get staph inside your ear too That's another thing that can happen Yeah it's fucking It's terrifying Oh my god what a perfect, perfect timing.
Starting point is 01:46:06 Crazy that didn't put him out. Oh, my God. Right? Yeah. Right on the button. Cote. Cote's still getting better. It's amazing.
Starting point is 01:46:14 It's awesome to see him. He just, he never loses his enthusiasm for it. It'd be cool if we could press a button, like a mute button, where he could say some shit that you wouldn't want to say on air, but you just want to tell everyone else. Like what? No, I'm just saying, you know, want to say on air, but you just want to tell everyone else? Like what? No, I'm just saying. I feel like you've got something right now. You think that right now?
Starting point is 01:46:31 No, no, no. Just throughout the UFC in general. It'd be nice to have a mute button. Patrick Cote, I'm sure, is kind of sensitive. He's thinking maybe you're talking shit right now. Hey, I love Patrick Cote. Are you kidding? Josh Berkman, love him to death. I'm just talking in general. See, that's a fight where I agree that Are you kidding? Josh Berkman, love him to death. I'm just talking in general.
Starting point is 01:46:45 See, that's a fight where I agree that you almost shouldn't cut Berkman. He's a fucking animal. He's an animal. Why cut him? He's entertaining, too. And by the way, he beats a lot of guys in that division. A ton of guys. A lot of guys.
Starting point is 01:46:57 If you give them the right matchups. Yeah. But there comes a point where you've beat so many good guys, they're not going to give you those easy matchups. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're such a veteran. Like this guy. How about that matchup?
Starting point is 01:47:09 Fuck. Is there anybody more explosive than that guy? Did you see him in that? Did you see straight out of Compton? No. I heard he was in it, though. Yeah. Did you see him?
Starting point is 01:47:16 There's a video with him and this bodybuilder guy, and they're doing all these bodybuilder exercises. I was going to say, he might have the best body in the UFC. I sent it to my friend. What do you think, Brian? Does he have the best body? I sent it to my friend who's a strength and conditioning coach and he was horrified. He was like, why the
Starting point is 01:47:29 fuck would you ever do this kind of a workout? A superset workout for MMA. You are literally going to make your body work against itself. You're going to stress your muscles out, blow your muscles out in weird ways, stress out all, you know, like you're going to do bodybuilding stuff like bench presses.
Starting point is 01:47:46 It was really an interesting conversation. And no one knows because what's good for you is not good for him. Everybody's got their own different way of improving their body. But for Woodley, he feels that he was not as exposed. He listened to many people like me that were saying he's carrying around too much muscle and that it was taken away from his explosion, you know, because he was trying to like lean out a little bit. So then he went back to it. See, I think he's carrying around too much muscle and that it was taken away from his explosion because he was trying to lean out a little bit. So then he went back to it. He's right.
Starting point is 01:48:09 That's Woodley's body type, right? Super explosive. He might not have the best cardio, but he's going to be a motherfucking beast to hang out with for those first two rounds. But that's him. He's never going to be a Neil Magny. But he just has to do what he does best.
Starting point is 01:48:22 Like Shane Carwin. He tried that too. Shane tried losing all this weight and shit, tried being a cardio guy. He just wasn't the same fighter, man. Yeah, you don't have what brought you to the dance, right? No, yeah, exactly. Stick what got you to the dance. Yeah, it's an interesting problem because if you fight a guy like Johnny Hendricks,
Starting point is 01:48:41 who's his next opponent. Great fight, by the way, right? Phenomenal fight. Great fight. If the fight goes into the third round, can he compete at the same level? Robbie Lawler. You know Robbie Lawler can go balls to the wall
Starting point is 01:48:52 for five rounds. He can do it. He can do it. So if you try that shit in the first round on him and you're still there for the second and third rounds, you're going to be, you know, you're a different person. You're not the same guy. You're a guy operating at 40%.
Starting point is 01:49:06 That's what you got to do, though. With all these strength coaches that you talked to. That's his best shot to win. Right. That first two rounds. Just to be a fucking demolition machine until you can't be a demolition machine. Until you meet a guy, until you meet a veteran who can weather your storm like Glover with OSM.
Starting point is 01:49:22 OSP. OSP. Jesus Christ. And OSM. And OSM. I think. OSP. Jesus Christ. And OSM. And OSM. I think you're doing great, Brian. Thanks, Dave. Thank you, Tate.
Starting point is 01:49:29 When you talk to these strength coaches, are there like three, four exercises all of them agree are very important to do? Pilates. Pilates. You say that, but Sergey Kovalev, he believes in Pilates. The fucking one of the best boxers on the planet. Yeah. Kovalev does?
Starting point is 01:49:44 Yeah. Wow. He does Pilates. Crazy power. Yeah. Well, he does a lot of Pilates because he wants one of the best boxers on the planet. Yeah. Kovalev does? Yeah. Wow. He does Pilates. Crazy power. Yeah, well, he does a lot of Pilates because he wants to stay flexible and has a big range of motion. Yeah, he's into Pilates. It's kind of interesting, I thought. Because I've seen a lot of guys that are into yoga.
Starting point is 01:49:55 I've never seen anybody that's into Pilates. Right. Ronda did Pilates for a while, too. Pilates is kind of like yoga. It's just a strengthening stretch. Oh, Brian. It's nothing like yoga. I don't know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 01:50:04 You actually lie down. You have cables and equipment. Yoga is your own, Brian. It's nothing like yoga. I don't know what you're talking about. You actually lie down. You have cables and equipment. Yoga is your own body weight. That's what I mean. It's like yoga, but with cables and lying down. Have you ever done Pilates? It's like that because it's a lot of housewives. I'm not going to answer that question.
Starting point is 01:50:16 I'm not in court of law right now. Pilate, honey. I pass it. I've never even once thought about going in. I've driven by it. I've seen it being done. Those chicks look like they're putting out almost no effort. Every time I look in there, I'm like, this looks like maybe the easiest workout you can do.
Starting point is 01:50:31 Everybody comes out, their body looks exactly the same. Somebody who was a real athlete told me it was no joke. I'm sure. I'm fucking around. I'm sure it's hard. Here we go. What's up? Oh, no, no.
Starting point is 01:50:44 We're not on this one. Yeah, we are. No, you don't have to. No, no, we said. Listen, you don't have no, no. We're not on this one. Yeah, we are. No, you don't have to. No, no, we said. Listen, you don't have to. You and I are betting on this one. Okay, no, we are. I thought we changed it.
Starting point is 01:50:51 We were going to bet on the main event, weren't we? Oh, if I lose this one, you're willing to go? You're willing to take Charles Oliver? No. He's a nice guy. Okay, okay. Which one are we betting on, Brian? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:51:02 Hey, you know what? They just showed Eric Silva. He didn't look that yoked. They just showed him standing there. He's a highlight, okay. Which one are we betting on, Brian? I don't know. Hey, you know what? They just showed Eric Silva. He didn't look that yoked. They just showed him standing there. He didn't highlight something. There have been times where he looked unbelievably yoked. No, no. You guys are wrong.
Starting point is 01:51:13 We just watched it. You guys are wrong. Eddie, you're being argumentative. You and Callum bet on the main event. Okay. Holloway. Okay. I bet Oliveira.
Starting point is 01:51:22 You got Max Holloway. I got Holloway all day. For dinner. Do you really? Well, listen. Holloway can certainly win. I don't want anybody to think I bet Oliveira. You got Max Holloway. I got Holloway all day. For dinner. Do you really? Well, listen, Holloway can certainly win. I don't want anybody to think that I think he's going to lose a fight. I don't know what the fuck's going to happen. I'm getting lost in Silva's eyes.
Starting point is 01:51:33 Oh, thank God they took him. Dreamy. He's handsome. He's a handsome kid. Who's the top three most handsome UFC fighters, Brian? Oh, well, Luke Rockhold, without question. Rockhold. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:51:42 Eric Silva. Let's go. I would have to put, this is a very good question and one of my favorite kinds of questions. I have to say, you see, you've got character. You've got to throw character in the mix. Conor McGregor is a kid. Women go nuts for Conor. He's got style.
Starting point is 01:52:00 Cain Velasquez is not an ugly man. He's got perfect proportions. I'm sorry. Who was it? Felice Huregg? Sir. If he was shredded? Sir. If Cain had Lukequez is not an ugly man. He's got perfect proportions. Who was it? Sir. If he was shredded, if Cain had Luke Rockford's body. Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step out of this conversation. If you're into a manly face, Mark Hunt has the thickest face. Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to take a step.
Starting point is 01:52:22 Fabrizio Verdum has very interesting facial expressions. Sir, please take the bench. Take the bench for a second. I'm going to ask you ask you to take a step. Fabrizio Verdum has very interesting facial expressions. Sir, please take the bench. Take the bench for a second. I'm going to ask you to stand down, sir. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but right now you're disrupting the conversation. Who's your top five, Callum? I got to go with my boy, Schaub. You got to put Schaub in top five.
Starting point is 01:52:37 He's retired. The kid's retired. Not yet. Not officially. Not officially. He's not going to retire. Stop getting your friend beat up. What do you base that on?
Starting point is 01:52:44 Schaub, hungry eyes. When he walks in the room, he creates a hungry to sleep. He's tired. Stop getting your friend beat up. What do you base that on? Job hungry eyes. When he walks in the room, he creates a hungry eye epidemic, man. I'm telling you right now. It's nuts. So you've got to go with Job. He's bigger. He's very, very, he's V'd out. And he walks like a peacock.
Starting point is 01:53:02 He walks like a peacock. He's always holding his breath when he walks. Always holding his breath. And you gotta give it up. So ridiculous. He's got a full beautiful mouth. So what about Eric Silva? Eric Silva's gotta be top ten.
Starting point is 01:53:11 You gotta put him in there. You gotta put him in the top ten. Yes, yes. Top three. Top three. With his hair, with that beauty. You see no scalp. I feel like it's offensive that you haven't mentioned Tim Kennedy at all.
Starting point is 01:53:19 Who would Joey put in the top five? I love Tim Kennedy. I just can't give him top ten. He's all man. But I'm speaking aesthetically as a connoisseur of the male physique and face. Without the face. Without the face. Just body.
Starting point is 01:53:31 We all agree that Luke Rockhold is number one. I have to say. I said on this podcast. We all agree. The only reason why anybody gets laid is because Luke Rockhold didn't get there first. Thank you. He should sell t-shirts with that on it. We got to go.
Starting point is 01:53:44 Who's number two? I mean this is a big question Well there's people that like a Chris Weidman An all American looking fella He's a cutie pie He's not top five I think Robbie Lawler is overlooked Robbie Lawler is overlooked
Starting point is 01:53:59 That's okay How about this one? Dark Horse, Carlos Condit. Yes! Handsome as fuck. He's too skinny. By the way. Too skinny, Eddie says.
Starting point is 01:54:10 Excuse me. First team all cute. I'm giving him number two. I like him big. I'm giving him number two. Handsome as fuck. In my book, he's number two. Over here, Silver?
Starting point is 01:54:15 Yes, I have to say. I'm going to say Tyrone Woodley. I got one. Alan Joban. Oh, he's a male model. Oh my God. Oh my God. Thank you very much, Aubrey. He's a male model. That's be number one. To the top of the list.
Starting point is 01:54:25 Thank you very much. He's a male model. That's not even fair. You can't say Alan DuPont. You can't even say him. That's not fair. He might be number one. He might be. He's number zero.
Starting point is 01:54:34 The only thing that separates him from Rockhold is Rockhold's taller. We got to ignore Alan DuPont. If Rockhold and him fucks everything up. He's a professional. It fucks everything up. He doesn't count. He gets paid for that. We're talking about regular guys.
Starting point is 01:54:45 Look at that. Look at that face. This goddamn beautiful man. I'm not even sure yet. Come on. Jesus Christ. He's a hell of a fighter. What a dick.
Starting point is 01:54:53 Perfect man. I was staying next to him at a hotel, and he's just working out in the hallway, and I'm walking through with my girlfriend. Who? Jovan. He's working out in the hallway. What was he doing in the hallway? With a trainer?
Starting point is 01:55:04 By himself? He was sprinting through the hotel hallway, just kind of getting out in the hallway. What's he doing in the hallway? With a trainer? By himself? He's like sprinting through the hotel hallway, just kind of getting warmed up and stuff. What if somebody opens the door? One of the very nicest guys. I don't know. Just shirt off, sweating in the hallway. Why did you have to bring him up? Jesus Christ. We had a real conversation
Starting point is 01:55:17 here. You gotta bring up a professional. He makes Eric Silva look like some dude from The Hobbit. He does. Eric Silva looks like Lord of the Rings now. Is Juban still fighting? What are you talking about? Shut the fuck up, bro. You are really on a fighter podcast.
Starting point is 01:55:34 You've got to do a little research, son. No, I am. I'm just thinking. I did karate when I was 12. I've researched. How dare you? He just won in San Diego. Look at the difference in his body, guys.
Starting point is 01:55:45 Yeah, his body definitely looks smoother. You know what? Eric Silva isn't even in my top was 12. I've researched. How dare you? He just won in San Diego. Look at the difference in his body, guys. Yeah, his body definitely looks smoother. You know what? Eric Silva isn't even in my top five anymore. Kiss my ass. Kiss my ass? He looks like a natural athlete. Yeah, he does, but there you go. You can keep that.
Starting point is 01:55:56 Poor facial hair. He's a good-looking guy. He's not making my top five. Condit. I got Condit. We got Rocco Condit. Jobin is right there. No, Jobin.
Starting point is 01:56:04 Allen's number one. I'm sorry. Sorry, Luke is right there. Allen's number one. I'm sorry, Luke Rockhold, but Allen's number one. Really? Yeah, Allen's number one. He doesn't count. You can't count Jobin. I count him. He fights the UFC.
Starting point is 01:56:13 He's a professional. 5'11", I think. 5'11", is not this. No, I can't give it over. It's not fair. 6'3", Luke, I can't do it, my friend. Yeah, but that's the only thing that Luke has over him. But it's a big thing.
Starting point is 01:56:23 Facially, he's like a 10. I like my men tall, Bubba. I like my men tall. I like them to tower over me. He's an LA 6'4". I like them to be able to eat peanuts off my friend. Yeah, but that's the only thing that Luke has over him. But it's a big thing. Facially, he's like a 10. I like my men tall, Bubba. I like my men tall. I like them to tell over me. I like them to be able to eat peanuts off my head. I gotta go with my man. Well, if you want to count that, then, you know. Who's the hottest announcer? Eve Levine. Joe Rogan.
Starting point is 01:56:37 No, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The ring announcer. Oh, Bruce Buffer. He's the hottest? For sure. He's the hottest man, period. Yeah, he's slick. He looks like a fucking James Bond character. Better than the Murguliana? Come on, Neil. Wow, Eric is smooth as fuck. He does not look even a little ripped.
Starting point is 01:56:52 Oh, this is my shit, right? This is my shit. Yo, he's lost a lot of muscle mass, too. Are you kidding me? Wow. But he looks like a young Wilmer Valderrama. Now, do you think that he's lost muscle mass because he's trying to be leaner so he has more cardio? Because that has been his issue. Yeah, that could be it, too. Or do you think this is's lost muscle mass because he's trying to be leaner so he has more cardio? Because that has been his issue.
Starting point is 01:57:06 Yeah, that could be it, too. Or do you think this is a PED issue? It could be both. Brendan Schaub, you specifically, for the press. Yeah, for TMZ. That's tough, man. It could be both. It could be, right?
Starting point is 01:57:18 It could be a combo of both. You have to consider it. You have to. The aggression, like Aubrey was talking about. He's just not as ferocious right now. Well, you know what? He just threw some fucking big bombs right now. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Starting point is 01:57:30 No, he just took a big, deep breath. He used to be super aggressive, dude. You see the fucking... Look at that. As he throws a spinning elbow. Well, he has to be careful, too, because Neil's number one thing is cardio. If you're Eric Silva, the worst thing is your cardio. And Neil has a good ground game, man.
Starting point is 01:57:45 He's fucking real good on the ground. Super solid on the ground. I'd say purple belt. Yeah, solid. Damn, dude. That's my guy. Say that after a Damian Maia fight. Yes.
Starting point is 01:57:57 But other than that, he's looked awesome on the ground. Look at this. Come on, son. He's got a good ground game. A little too high, but there was a wild scramble there. Oh! Eric Silva takes him down. Pretty aggressive.
Starting point is 01:58:09 Plot frame. Come on. Come on. Come on. Well, for a guy like Eric, when he fights a guy like Matt Brown, and Matt Brown just outworks him and beats him down. Okay, that's a big sign right there. That's a sign of some dark shit on the ground for Magni right there.
Starting point is 01:58:23 That quick, that fast. There's a big difference of ground sign right there. That's a sign of some dark shit on the ground for Magni right there. That quick, that fast. There's a big difference of groundwork right here. He sliced through that guard. Also, he's got to also think after the Maya fight that Magni's a little suspect on the ground. And he's passing to weak side. That's Neil's biggest weakness if you have to pick something. That's on purpose. He's grappling.
Starting point is 01:58:41 Off his back. Yeah, off his back. Well, Neil's just so... He's a so good. He's a cardio machine. He's the same guy for every round. That's so big. If he could just add the other skills on top of that,
Starting point is 01:58:56 that cardio that he has is such a giant advantage. Hopefully mentally. Let's say he were to lose this fight, worst case scenario, and he's lost two in a row and he's come off a seven-fight win streak. What a change. You go from seven-fight win streak to losing two in a row he's come off a seven fight win streak what a change you go from some fight win streak to losing two in a row within two weeks yeah it's true i think at a certain point you need to be known for some kind of offensive weapon like they got to watch out for this or that because you've been blasting people if you don't have that fucking special power or
Starting point is 01:59:18 two or three you're not going to be able to hang at the top no you've got to have something like some shit that they're worried about. I call him the gazelle. He's got cardio, though. He's got a lot of cardio. It took him a certain distance and now he needs some firepower. That's exactly what I said. Me and his head coach, Lisa, were talking. I said, you're going to get to a certain point with those cardios and winning off points.
Starting point is 01:59:37 You're going to get a bad motherfucker who's going to go, nah, man, this ain't going to work. Damian Maia. He's like, oh, you're good at cardio? Check this out. Ben Harrison, who doesn't care about your cardio and silver here silver here is looking good Full mouth fuck look at this shit. Yeah, come on Look at this shit. Come on, Eric. What is... Oh, get your ass up.
Starting point is 02:00:03 Yeah, Magni looking good. Don't get high. Looking for that second hook, son. Wrist control, son. Underhook on the left side gives him that second hook. Oh, come on, Eric. Underhook. Damn it, there you go.
Starting point is 02:00:12 You're good. He's good now. He's good. He's going to go. Drags him right down to the ground. Either way, this is good for Neil. This kind of transitions all this. As the rounds go on, this is good for Neil.
Starting point is 02:00:20 Well, that's what we're saying about the Matt Brown fight, that Eric just could not keep up with Matt Brown. So for a guy like that, he's got to realize, now that he's been there before and he's drowned, you've got to realize, okay, I've got to figure out how to be able to sustain this, if it's possible. Yeah, maybe he addressed this shit. Maybe he's going to be fine with this cardio.
Starting point is 02:00:36 He watched that fight, and I'm sure his corner said, dude, we've got to get your cardio together. If they were smart, they would be honest with him. I think it's kind of a power thing, though, too if either your cardio guy or you're not like Neil's never gonna be a Knockout artist he's always gonna be a card. That's true. Cardio. You can see knocks people out Robbie Lawler knocks people the fuck out. Yeah, well they have both yeah, right they have both like came Okay, was oh no. God. Nooguera. Bigfoot Silva. Dead. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:08 I mean, he should have put a fucking beat down on June. Oh, man. Look at Magnum. Oh, flatten out. 30 seconds to go. Silva's in deep shit. Oh, shit. Eve Levine taking a close look. Damn.
Starting point is 02:01:18 Eve Levine will let that shit go. He's a good one for that. He does let things go. I may have Gustafsson in my top five handsome guys. Well, you're still on that, son? That's a thing you have for. He does let things go. I may have Gustafsson in my top five handsome guys. Well, you're still on that, son. That's a thing you have for Europeans. That's not honest. It might be.
Starting point is 02:01:30 Although he's Scandinavian. He's a handsome dude, bro. He does. He does. Honestly, he's got a perfect Swedish face. Yeah, he's a beautiful man. That's like perfect genetics. Six, six.
Starting point is 02:01:39 But he's not really ripped. He's not very muscular. He kind of looks like that vampire from True Blood. You know what? He dies. I do the dime piece. He kind of looks like that vampire from True Blood. He does. A dude to die for. See, you have to distinguish between women. A dude is a time piece. You know what they would sterilize?
Starting point is 02:01:53 You know, in Sweden, for many years, they sterilized kids that didn't have perfectly symmetrical faces. Is that a fact? That's actually not true. That's some eugenics. That's why they're so good looking. I don't know. No, look into it. Hey, that's some eugenics. That's why they're so good looking. I don't know, Eddie. No, look into it. You think that's crazy?
Starting point is 02:02:09 Wait a minute. You're crazy, bro. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. When you say look into it, did you look into it? I got it on the internet. I got it on the internet. My brother-in-law is from Sweden and his face is not at all symmetrical. It looks like a pan.
Starting point is 02:02:19 Let's be honest. Is that bad? They had him in the woods and they kept him from the officials. That's how crazy it is. You guys don't believe it. Does your brother-in- from the officials. That's how crazy it is. You guys don't believe it. That's how crazy it is. You don't believe it. That's why they're so good looking.
Starting point is 02:02:29 Eddie, this is all you need to do. Just Google it and pull up some studies and some peer-reviewed papers. Yeah, that's what we did. That's what we did. You got a phone right in front of you, brother. Hey, I already did that shit. No, no, no. I started off the conversation with, this is what I heard.
Starting point is 02:02:41 I didn't say, this is a fact. You said look it up. You said look it up. You said look it up, but you haven't looked it up. I have, but I'm not saying it's true. I have looked it up. I don't know if it's bullshit. They do say. I don't know if it's bullshit.
Starting point is 02:02:52 I don't know. I do. You know what? If I had to choose right now. DocSecret.com says. They do say that Swedish jails are probably the best places to be if you get arrested. Google Swedish eugenics in like the 1930s. They're not doing that.
Starting point is 02:03:05 Don't do it until Eddie reads it first. Hey, I didn't say it was true. I just said, hey, there's some rumors out there. There are some rumors. Here's the second one. That shit happened. What if it's true? Let's see if Eric Silva can still keep his shit up in the second round.
Starting point is 02:03:16 It explains Gustafsson. Silva's hands are very low here. It's very strange. That's how he fights. This first two minutes is super dangerous for Neil. Silva looks like a different player. Get him down. Oh!
Starting point is 02:03:24 Looking for that spinning back kick to the body but didn't land it. He looks like he's so open to get punched right in the face. He doesn't look tired at all. Well, he's got to think he must have done some serious cardio. Or he's ignoring his faults. Magni looks exhausted. Come on. You're so controversial, Eddie.
Starting point is 02:03:43 Magni always looks exactly the same in every fight. He's always in shape. Yep. What does he do for cardio? He just trains nonstop. Oh! Then his strength coach, Lauren Lando, has him do all these sleds and frickin' sprints. Has he ever been knocked out?
Starting point is 02:03:57 You know Magny? No. Oh, dang. I saw him in the video with Kat Zingano. The video with training. Yeah, yeah. They have a whole crew. It's like Brandon Thatch, Kat Zingano. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. They have a whole crew. It's like Brandon Thatch, Kat Singano.
Starting point is 02:04:07 Oh, right. He got hurt. Oh, look at that. He's hurt. He got hurt to the body there. Look at that. Look at that. That's where cardio comes into play, man.
Starting point is 02:04:12 You recover way faster. Even from... How much of an advantage to train at Denver, too, right? Denver, that's got to be an advantage. You know, that's one of the things I had a conversation with about Novitski. I'm like, what about altitude tents? How come they're not cheating? How much of an advantage is that?
Starting point is 02:04:28 Oh, look at that. Good uppercut. But he had a good comeback, Joe, because he goes, I don't think it's that much of an advantage. He's saying it's not the same as EPO. When you travel, and then so you're in Vegas or wherever you're going to fight for a week, all that shit equalizes out in like three days. What do you mean? Well, I brought mine on that. a week, that all that shit equalizes out in like three days. What do you mean? I mean, all the benefits that you have
Starting point is 02:04:47 of training at altitude dissipates within three days. But guess what I did, Tate? I would bring a hyperbaric chamber with me. I heard you guys, there's a thing called the internet. Before you go on podcasts and you say, I heard, maybe you should
Starting point is 02:05:02 Google this fucking shit along with these goddamn eugenics studies. Oh, that's just reading Google Sweden Google Bigfoot Oregon wood That kick They cheated Google dong life. I'm gonna get a tattoo Eric's putting it on right now man. I get a sleeve tattoo You should get something on your face like maybe teardrops or a heart you should get knives everywhere I come in doesn't know yeah I should do knives with Jason Jason Ellis did tattoo the
Starting point is 02:05:35 whole top of your head different animal do a tiger like a polar bear I think an Polar bear some shitty Seek you cover will be the dumbest because nobody would know what Fucking dog just so I can be a dick about anybody have a snail tattoo. Oh, I bet there's There's got to be dudes that are obsessed with snails. Like, who studies snails? Snail experts? I like a good snail. I like a good snail myself.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Let's see Neil Magny's garden here. Get on that forum. Snails.com. I like Googling the tattoos that incorporate body parts, like armpits or vaginas or like assholes. Who's that right there? Oh, shit. That's Elliot Marshall and Christian Allen. Jesus, Brian. Sorry. Who's that right there? Oh, shit. That's Elliot Marshall and Christian Allen. Jesus, Brian.
Starting point is 02:06:27 Sorry. Who's that? Oh. Neil Magny throwing up trials. Eric Passon. Oh. Oh. He's going to take a guillotine.
Starting point is 02:06:36 No arm, good wrist control. Look at Neil Magny. Yeah, very good wrist control there. Holy shit, he turned it all around. That was everything. The wrist control was everything. You got a little hungy right there. Yep.
Starting point is 02:06:44 And look at this. Nice narrow stance by was everything. The wrist control was everything. He got a little hungy right there. Yep. And look at this. Nice narrow stance by Eric Silva. Catch that breath, son. Silva's legs look so different. Yeah, his body looks different for sure. He doesn't look bad, though. But he's doing well in the fight. It really could be that he changed up the way he trains.
Starting point is 02:06:58 And he does more conditioning stuff, aerobic stuff, than he does strength stuff. Physically, he does look different. Cut a loss to weight. aerobic stuff than he does strength stuff physically he does look different let's not sugar lost a weight you know the other thing he's got to realize or you've got we all do is that he's a guy who caught a lot of weight to make 170 probably realize I can't fucking do that anymore without the IVs there's a lot of these guys are gonna have to lose a tremendous amount of weight they're gonna have to lose like 10 pounds of muscle there's a lot of guys are gonna have to be a different person. Different fighter, different person, different results.
Starting point is 02:07:28 Maybe it'll equal itself out, though, with less weight they had to cut because they already lost a lot of weight. It might just even itself out. Maybe. Less torture to the body, less trauma to the body. Yeah, that's possible. That's super possible. Does Neil Magny have a tough time losing weight?
Starting point is 02:07:44 No. He literally trains year-round like a gazelle. Just running nonstop. Never gets hurt in the gyms? Never. That's amazing. I know, man. He lived with Nate Marquardt for three years.
Starting point is 02:07:55 And sparred with him all the time? All the time. Oh, Jesus Christ. Who do you think won the first round? Because Eric Silva's got the second round. I think it's 1-1 probably. Is he American? Is he East African?
Starting point is 02:08:03 Well, Magny's American. He's from Chicago. And he was in the service. I think guys that have been to war and guys that are in the military, there's a different consequence to your discipline. Like a guy like Tim Kennedy, he's got a different kind of discipline. It's like a tried and tested in battle discipline. I just think there's an advantage to having that.
Starting point is 02:08:23 You just don't see a lot of guys that have that high level discipline and military background get into MMA. You got Colton Smith, you got a few guys that have done it. Stan. Stan, of course. But Stan and I think Tim Kennedy are the highest profile that fought at the highest level. You don't have to worry about their mental game at all.
Starting point is 02:08:39 He also doesn't get nervous. We were talking to him and he said, and his buddy was there and he said you never see me nervous. He said he doesn't get nervous. But were talking to him, and his buddy was there, and he said, you never see me nervous. He said, he doesn't get nervous. But it kind of makes sense for a guy like Tim Kennedy, who's been through such extreme life and death circumstances, that now it's just a fight, which means you'll break your nose or whatever. And for him, it's like, it's a competition.
Starting point is 02:08:57 It's fun. Well, what you were saying was the craziest fucking thing when you guys were revealing on your podcast that Kennedy is still involved in military operations. Tip of the spear stuff. That's fucking insane. He just got back from Columbia, I think still involved in military operations. Tip of the spear stuff. That's fucking insane. He just got back from Columbia, I think, a couple weeks ago. Tip of the spear.
Starting point is 02:09:08 That's fucking crazy. Insane, man. That's crazier than his MMA career. Well, he's in the UFC right now, and he's still involved in special ops shit. Oh, yeah, high-level stuff, man. It's fucking nuts, man. I mean, he talks about, when he talks about it, too,
Starting point is 02:09:22 he's like, yeah, go on six missions a night, half of them are gunfights. Like, shit's happening. His best friend just six missions a night. Half of them are gunfights. Like, holy shit. Shit's happening. His best friend just died. His best friend died four days ago when we did the interview. In like some operation? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:09:32 An operation he was involved in, right? Yeah. Was he involved in that one? He wasn't there. He wasn't there for that one? Can he talk about that on your podcast? Yeah, he talked about it. In general.
Starting point is 02:09:41 You can't reveal details. But it's amazing that he's still involved in those operations. It's insane, man. Silver fucking him up. Where's my money? Where's my money? See that? Every time he kicks out, where's my money?
Starting point is 02:09:51 Where's my money? When Tim Kennedy knocked out Rafael Natal at the military base, the fight for the troops, that's one of the most emotional moments I have ever seen any fighter ever experience inside the Octagon. It was incredible. He just jumped on top of the cage. There was no cameras on him. We were gone to commercial and he was pointing to each individual people in the
Starting point is 02:10:12 audience. He kept saying, I love you. I love you. I love all of you. I love you. I love you. They were screaming for him. There was a bond that he had with those people. He talks about the level of bonding when you can smell somebody in the dark. You know what they smell like in the dark. That's talks about it. He talks about the level of bonding when you can smell somebody in the dark. You know what they smell like in the
Starting point is 02:10:28 dark. That's what he said. He goes, and you've been through life and death situations over and over again. I don't think that's a big thing. I don't remember that. I'm trying to be dramatic right now. I don't remember that. I'm just glad the dudes like that exist.
Starting point is 02:10:43 I'm glad that he exists. They're the sheepdogs. They're the gatekeepers. You know what? He's a different athlete than Jon Jones or any of the top athletes in the UFC. He's a different type of dude. Oh, shit. Eric Silva.
Starting point is 02:10:57 Oh! Neil got cracked there. Oh! Oh, Neil. It comes back with the knee. You know, I'll tell you one thing. If I was hanging out with Tate and Joe and one of them farted, I would know who farted. That's all I'm going to say.
Starting point is 02:11:09 In the dark? In the dark. Trust me, I would know. I know your farts. I know your farts. Mine might smell, but Tate's might kill you. Yes, Tate's might kill you. That was a lot of the time, though.
Starting point is 02:11:21 That was in my defense. That was when Eddie was my dietician. And we would go to, like, 7-Eleven before we'd get on a plane and be like, ooh, this one's got malitol in it. Let's get four of those. Eat those and sit next to Joey Diaz. And eat a bunch of kimchi. Malitol apparently makes you fart.
Starting point is 02:11:37 Look at this, Eric Silva. Can't hurt me. See, Magni, man, he just can keep that pace. The only time Magni's been in trouble, like where he got TKO'd, was on the Ultimate Fighter by Mike Ritchie. But in his regular UFC career, he's really not been rocked. No. Because his cardio's so damn good.
Starting point is 02:11:53 How's Ritchie doing these days, man? He's fighting somewhere else, right? He's fighting in Titan. Yeah? How's he doing? Is he doing well? Yeah, I think he's doing all right. He's a talented kid.
Starting point is 02:12:01 I always wondered why he never made it back to the UFC. Well, the UFC owns Titan now, right? So he's fighting with Titans. Is that a recent deal? Yeah They just they found available on fight pass. That's amazing crazy, right? It's like a feeder league Mm-hmm, and it's not just that it's but shoot Oh Brazil's on in Vita house now I think Jason Chambers is doing commentary for shoot up Brazil. Huh? Jason call me. I gotta text him right now Yeah, right it right now. Alright, I won't now. One minute fifty to go here and Neil Magny looking fresh as a daisy.
Starting point is 02:12:33 Come on, he doesn't? Neil Magny looks fresh as a daisy. He looks like he's shopping at Whole Foods right now. He's in such fucking good shape. Oh my god. Look at this. Easy takedown this easy wilting the wilting risk control son long legs this is a big difference between Neil
Starting point is 02:12:52 Magni and Eric Silva as far as how much you can keep this up it's crazy that cardio man that is nuts, my friend. Uchimata. Oh, shit. Is that an Uchimata? Uchimata, yeah, right? You know what? That just equalized that shit right there. Hell yeah. Is that Arigoshi? No, it's an Uchimata.
Starting point is 02:13:11 Here we go. You were right the first time. Nice. Hey, they equalize each other. Sort of. Yeah. And so far, Eric Silva landed way more shots. Oh, you're crazy.
Starting point is 02:13:20 What? They showed the numbers. It's not even close. Come on. And also with that, when Maggie just took him down, he hammered him five or six times. No, he didn't. And zero strikes here. What fight are you watching?
Starting point is 02:13:30 I Googled eugenics in Sweden. In the middle of Googling eugenics in Sweden, I occasionally looked up when Eric Silva was on a rampage. Head down like that. That's a good setup. I get my information At the library guys I go to the library I'm so bummed
Starting point is 02:13:48 On the fucking internet Who goes to the library I go to the library You guys get your information From the internet I go to the library I love how you say The internet
Starting point is 02:13:57 As if it's all the same source I go to the library I read books This is very different Different websites On the internet Neil is just accurate Look at that When was the last time Somebody went to the library. I read books. This is very different websites on the internet. Neil is just accurate.
Starting point is 02:14:06 Look at that. When was the last time somebody went to the library? Some guy asked me the other day if I wanted to have someone who's a flat earth proponent. He's apparently the best arguer for a flat earth proponent. I want to hear that. I want to hear that argument. What can they possibly say? There's no fucking way. They're either trolling or retarded.
Starting point is 02:14:24 You know the one thing that's weird? Of course it's trolling, but the one thing that's fucking weird is you would think with all the satellites we have going in and out of our solar system, and how come there's no pictures of the Earth? Good point. Google. So many pictures of the Earth. Google. Good point.
Starting point is 02:14:44 No, I'm with you. Hey, I don't know. It's a fact, huh, Brian? Yeah, they don't even know. Google pictures of the Earth. Do it. You're going to see Earth. You're going to see CGI cartoon.
Starting point is 02:14:57 You know what? It might be weird. You would think there would be all these weird pictures of the sun here, the moon here, the earth there, the sun here. There would be thousands of them. I have one of those on my trapper keeper when I was a kid. First of all, with the satellites, they're all inside of 400 miles, most of them at least. And then when you get past that, they usually don't take pictures.
Starting point is 02:15:14 They take a few. You don't think they would take a bunch of pictures of earth? They show the earth when it's like a little tiny dot in the distance. Hey, if I'm wrong and there is like thousands of pictures of Earth, there's just all these weird like the Sun here the Moon Hey, then hey, I don't know Why are you arguing I did but but I don't have a satellite like that far out and take pictures They've only sent a few of those out there. They've only sent they sent a couple different satellites No, but there's probably sure there is hundreds of pictures on the internet
Starting point is 02:15:43 You can see of the earth with the sun in the background, the moon over here, sun in the moon, moon, sun. But Eddie, you can see the Earth rounded from space. I'm going to need you to round out, Eddie. Maybe I'm wrong. Hit the bench. Maybe has never been the worst. More controversial than we're in. A worse way of beginning that statement.
Starting point is 02:16:03 A more tame word. I just want to see pictures of Earth. I just want to see pictures of Earth. I just want to see pictures of Earth from space. There's no pictures of Earth. Where are that? Where are that? Literally everywhere. Where are that?
Starting point is 02:16:12 Google it. Google it. I hope this is all bullshit for sure. Oh, I hope. Usually I can kind of hear you out, Eddie, but... Yeah, the Earth is so round. A bunch of photos. Aren't those on cartoon photos?
Starting point is 02:16:29 Those aren't real photos? Those are in the Apollo 11 moon missions. Ooh, we got split decisions. How did that happen? Wait, who won? Oh, shit! Maybe my money, Eddie. Neil Magny brings it home.
Starting point is 02:16:48 Double or nothing Olivera Holloway? I got Holloway for a grand. This is the... Oh shit! This is the amazing shit. The pictures of Earth from like... That could be flat. Space Station type shit.
Starting point is 02:17:04 That could be flat. There type shit That could be flat okay, okay, there's a bunch of pictures, okay Fuck that the guy that did you see altitude jump is that what that is? I think it is yes Did you ditch third-grader Now did you take that day off when we were talking about Earth? All right. All right. All right. Whatever you say.
Starting point is 02:17:32 I love it. God damn it. Maybe I'll just pay you $1,000. Double or nothing, man. Maybe I'll just pay you $1,000. You don't want to keep going? Do $2,000 off some stupid fucking bet? Well, you could just do the Halle Gravesy method and just pay him in private lessons.
Starting point is 02:17:46 Hey. That's pretty good. Two private lessons. Be nice, dude. That is being nice. Jesus Christ. Isn't it? It's not his fault.
Starting point is 02:17:53 It's not? No, it's all his fault. Are you sure? Listen, it's not his fault. I don't know who to believe. I love you both. I don't know what's going on. I love you both, but you're divided.
Starting point is 02:18:01 Let's not start shit here. It's not his fault. So, Brian, you tried poaching athletes from EBI. I knew that. It's still going on? I thought you settled that. Settled what? I thought you guys were cool now.
Starting point is 02:18:13 Fuck no. No. Fuck no. Fuck no. Really? Because I heard you guys were cool. Hey, listen. I'm not going to like fucking stalk him.
Starting point is 02:18:21 Hey, how come he stopped using a crowd? How come he stopped using a crowd for Anna Morris? Cheaper. He does it in Black House so that they don't have'm not gonna like hey how he stopped in the crowd how come he stopped using the crowd for a morse Really does it in black house so that they don't have a big overhead now, so they just get pay-per-view smart And we think about it. It's a terrible With no audience that's like having a concert. Let's have a fucking festival, but let's not have the audience I think that was it. I'm thinking about doing that. I think fucking festival, but let's not have the audience. I think that was a... I'm thinking about doing that.
Starting point is 02:18:44 I think it's a great idea. Can you imagine doing stand-up with no audience? I'm not... I've always been practicing it in this room. I'm thinking about doing it alone. Oh, my God. Just you alone. Just me, no opening act.
Starting point is 02:18:55 No camera, even. No camera. I'm just going to record it on my iPhone. You're not feeling it. If you have a show, if you have an event, and nobody shows up, and no one shows up to be in the audience, no matter what happens, that show sucks.
Starting point is 02:19:08 You know what I mean? But he's making that happen because he wants it. He's doing it purposely. I would say, especially with as boring as a lot of his matches are, that it's nice if you could pan down and go, God, there's Hicks and Gracie. I don't think it's a good move. It's nice. It's a nice thing to fill.
Starting point is 02:19:24 We're talking about what the UFC should do, what the commission should do, and what this show should do. I don't think that's a good move for Metamorris. I want Metamorris to succeed. I competed in Metamorris. It's a good thing that we have all these shows. I'm not against Metamorris. I just think he's making bad decisions.
Starting point is 02:19:42 That's what I really believe. And I think the majority agrees with you. Yeah. I think it's making bad decisions. That's how I really believe it. And I think the majority agrees with you. Yeah, you know, and I love that there's a show out there and there's going to be super fights being put on. I'm not against that shit. It's good for Jiu-Jitsu. It's good for Jiu-Jitsu. It's not going to affect EBI at all.
Starting point is 02:20:00 Here's the thing about EBI, though. You've thrown a monkey wrench the whole game with those overtime scenarios. It makes everything so much better. You know, at first I was like, how is this going to work? When you were telling me about it, I didn't have the vision. But then the first time I went and saw it live, I went, that's the way. It's so powerful. It's the way.
Starting point is 02:20:17 It's the 100. Because you would go through these matches, they would hit 20 minutes, there would be no finish, and that would be the end of it. But now there's a finish in a lot of those matches. And if there's no finish, it's still crazy because you're almost getting finished because you're starting off in a three-quarter position. You're starting off with your back taken.
Starting point is 02:20:34 Both hooks and over-under. I've never been to one. Both hooks, over-under, shootout. It's the best grappling show I've ever been to. It's by far the best grappling show. It's the solution to the problem of grappling. Everyone tells me it's boring. It is amazing. There's no hiding there in that. It's not far the best grappling show. It's the solution to the problem of grappling. Everyone tells me it's boring. It is amazing.
Starting point is 02:20:45 Eddie nailed it. There's no hiding there in that. It's not just no hiding. You're put in danger. You're put in danger. It's great. Everybody gets put in danger. I don't want people to go to overtime, and the people, most of the reviews have 90% no
Starting point is 02:20:59 shit have been super positive. It's incredible. I can't believe it. That's amazing. When you look at the internet. One, two, three, four. It's incredible. Just nothing but positive, positive, positive, positive. It's incredible. I can't believe it. That's amazing. One, two, three, four. It's incredible. Just nothing but positive, positive, positive, positive.
Starting point is 02:21:10 And occasionally people say, I hate the overtime rounds. They suck. Because it's not fair that we put, you know, you're going to get a guy who couldn't pass the guard and couldn't get his back naturally. Now you're going to take me to overtime and you're going to put that guy on the back who couldn't earn that on his own?
Starting point is 02:21:26 Like, who cares? We're just trying to make it exciting. It's gangster. I want you to hate overtime. I don't want the fight. You know what's really funny? You hear that argument a lot of times from wrestlers. It's so ironic because wrestling, they'll start on their knees with a guy behind them
Starting point is 02:21:41 with one hand on their waist. Like, what are you talking about? Like, you start in a disadvantageous position all the time. It's a big part of high school and college wrestling. But, Eddie, you didn't lose any of your competitors, right? You guys are all good now. No, he did. I did.
Starting point is 02:21:55 He did pull one. He went after EBI. When EBI 3 was announced, it was the 170 welterweight, and the returning champion is Gary Tonin. He was coming back for sure. Dylan Danis, who I didn't even know who Dylan Danis was, to be honest with you. I don't really keep up with what's going
Starting point is 02:22:14 on in the Gee, IBJJF show. You have to be a superstar for me to know who you are. So Dylan Danis comes to me. He comes to my school and says, I want to go into EBI. I want to go against Gary Tonin. I think I could beat him. And I didn't even know who he was. I go, I can't promise you anything, but let me look into you. And he came and he
Starting point is 02:22:30 trained and I looked into him like, holy shit, this guy is a phenom, freak, brown belt who's killing everybody in absolute, he's just winning gold after gold, just tapping everybody. I'm like, hell fucking yes. Texted him and go, you're in, son. And then they started talking shit,
Starting point is 02:22:46 Gary Tonin and Dylan Danis, on the internet, on Facebook. I hope I get you in the first round. So there was some hype building. I'm like, this is fucking perfect. And then Halleck comes in and offers Dylan Danis and Gary Tonin exclusive contracts.
Starting point is 02:23:00 Dylan bought a bit, and Gary said, fuck no. So he almost got them both both my my top seeds he almost got them both and i was already hyping the show he got dylan but he didn't get gary thank god the show went off and uh gary ended up winning and it was a great show and and it got great reviews so but he all if if gary would have agreed to this you know and what hallux says is anytime anybody brings this up he just distracts everybody and says,
Starting point is 02:23:27 hey, the UFC does exclusive contracts. I'm just doing what the UFC's doing. It's like, it's not about exclusive contracts. You specifically went after
Starting point is 02:23:34 my top two guys in my show and you try to ruin my show. But the UFC, you talk shit on the UFC, then the UFC does that. You know, so... What an arrogant guy
Starting point is 02:23:44 It's a distraction. He's distracting. to think also that you are the UFC. Yeah. UFC does that. You know, so... What an arrogant guy to think also that you are the UFC. You're not. And seriously, at that point... You're a guy dying of scarcity that's carrying a name. Like, stop it. I thought we were cool. I actually thought me and Alec were cool. I thought we were working together. I thought, hey, you know, you need submission
Starting point is 02:23:59 specialists for your show. Your show gets a lot of bad reviews because of the boredom. That's the big problem with Jiu-Jitsu, just like Joe was saying. Jiu-Jitsu is like, how do you remove the boredom from it? Because it's like playing chess. A lot of people are really into chess. It's a very complicated, sophisticated little game, but you're not going to put it on Fox. You'll never have it on Fox. Although the game has a lot of prestige and a lot of respect behind it, but you're never going to see it on TV.
Starting point is 02:24:26 How are jujitsu in the sense that jujitsu is exactly the same way. Jujitsu, the gi? Just a suggestion. Gi jujitsu is very intricate, very sophisticated, beautiful, the way they're using the gi to control body, but you're just not going to put it on TV. It's just too much holding. It's just not going to happen. It's just too much holding. It's just not gonna happen
Starting point is 02:24:45 You can't put it's like chess even guys, you know, jiu-jitsu I noticed when I've been met amorous black belts don't even like they don't even watch them. They don't even watch it Blackbelt legends don't even keep track of the moon D out. So that's the problem right there the problem You know, you got to recognize and go Okay If we want a show if we want you j got to recognize it and go, okay, if we want a show, if we want jiu-jitsu to, you know, let's say get on TV or get to the highest platform possible, we've got to do everything possible to remove the big problem, the boredom, the stalling, the holding. What would you suggest? Would you suggest points for, like, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:25:22 Never points. Never points. That's not working. No matter what point system you come up with, it's a point. There's already a point system. No matter what point system you come up with, it's a point is a point is a point. If passing the guard is one point or it's 15 points, it's still you're
Starting point is 02:25:34 up and now there's no urgency to make the move. Your coaches are going slow down. You got a minute left. Don't do shit. Don't try to fuck. You pass the guard. Don't do nothing. Don't do nothing. The coaching is stalling. The athlete, if do nothing. The coaching is stalling. The athlete, if he's smart, he's stalling. I feel like if you had five minutes,
Starting point is 02:25:50 that's too short. You can't have any point system. You did it. You can't have any point system. You did it. You fixed it. You gotta eliminate the points. Cal's talking about points over here. God damn it. Sorry, guys. Karate background. It's gotta be submission only.
Starting point is 02:26:04 And there had to be an only. Taekwondo, buddy. And there had to be an overtime that determined the winner. You fixed it. You won. You win. What's the next show? December 13th. Austin, Texas.
Starting point is 02:26:14 December 13th. Austin, Texas. This one's going to be a special one. I'm still piecing it together. I can't really talk about it. It's way too early. Yes. EBI 5.
Starting point is 02:26:24 You can see EBI. Is it true that Halleck's going to compete about it. It's way too early. Yes, EBI 5. Is it true that Halleck's going to compete in yours? It's absolutely true. He's going against Brandon Schaub. Putting this out on Twitter. Putting this out on Twitter. Tweet it! Tweet it! It's so easy.
Starting point is 02:26:42 All I'm trying to do, I'm just trying to make Jiu Jitsu Entertaining For the masses And you're doing it But hey Eddie you're about to lose two grand on this main event My man I didn't agree to that I love that he's wearing glasses
Starting point is 02:26:57 You know what fuck it Will you take a check Of course Cash or a check my man Cause I don't have the cash It's kind of weird that Oliveira comes out with glasses on Will you take a check? Of course. Will you take a check? Cash or a check, my man? You will take a check? For sure. Because I don't have the cash. It's kind of weird that Oliveira comes out with glasses on.
Starting point is 02:27:09 We'll do it. You would think that, you know. If he has vision issues, he should have corrected that. Are they that bad? I mean, it's weird that his vision issues are so bad that he wants to wear his glasses up until the time when he gets in the octagon. He's probably getting paid for it. They're clear.
Starting point is 02:27:21 It's for style. No. You know Justin Gaethje? He's the World Series of Fighting World Champ at 170. He has these glasses. You take them off, he couldn't recognize you. Really? He has to squint so bad.
Starting point is 02:27:35 Wow. It's crazy. Was it something he was born with? No, he just has horrible eyes. So he has to wear glasses. Do fighters not fight with contacts? You have to tell the condition. They can't fight with contacts or LASIK.
Starting point is 02:27:46 They used to fight with contacts. Really? What? Not with LASIK either? No. They ask if you've had it. It's supposed to be banned, yeah. Well, LASIK, there's two different ways of doing it. And LASIK is the most vulnerable way.
Starting point is 02:27:57 There's another way of doing it that it takes longer to heal. And it's like actual surgery. It starts with a P, right? I don't remember. There's two different. I might be even saying wrong about LASIK is more vulnerable. You're right. But there's like actual surgery. It starts with a P, right? I don't remember. There's two different. I might be even saying wrong about Lasix is more vulnerable. You're right. But there's two different ways.
Starting point is 02:28:09 And the more common way, you're not supposed to have contact sports. Because if you get rocked, that stitching or the tearing, wherever the cut, the scar tissue, could open up and you're fucked. So you know why it doesn't hurt when you get it? He's crying. That's usually a bad sign. He was like in raptures. Yeah, he's probably listening to some Jesus music or something.
Starting point is 02:28:29 Do you know why it doesn't hurt when they laser your eyes? Legit point, right? Legit point. Why? Why doesn't it hurt? You don't believe you have nerve endings in your eyes. You know why I believe that? Because when I go in the cryo chamber, my eyes never hurt.
Starting point is 02:28:40 They don't even get cold. Well, I have Lasik. They're burning them with lasers. And you're awake. You're conscious. I had Lasik. You're burning them with lasers. And you're awake. You're conscious. I had Lasix. It was pretty freaky, my man. Really?
Starting point is 02:28:48 But freaky, but not painful. Wait a minute. You had Lasix and you can't fight anymore then? Well, no. I never told him I did it. Well, you just did, you fuck. Jesus Christ. Oh, no.
Starting point is 02:28:57 Now you're doomed. Now it's over. Oh, man. What am I going to do? Reebok's not going to do it. First Reebok, now this. Dude, they're going to sue you. MMA media.
Starting point is 02:29:03 Brendan Schaub lies under oath about Lasix. I got it when I was playing football. Oh, my God. So you lied a lot. And then when they asked, I said, no. What are you going to do? Oh, my God. What are you going to do now?
Starting point is 02:29:15 Maybe you're kidding about getting Lasix. You might be kidding about getting it. I think you're kidding about it. Maybe I'm lying. Maybe he's lying. This is all for entertainment, folks. That's it. I don't really think Conor McGregor doesn't have the legitimate international intermediate intermittent belt.
Starting point is 02:29:31 You're crazy. You don't think that's a headline? I hope it gets a headline. I want to keep this party going. Literally all of them are like, there you go. We got record downloads last time. Is it possible for- Our downloads can't get any bigger.
Starting point is 02:29:42 I better start doing some research. We're getting millions of downloads for this show. Jesus. Is it possible for Joey Diaz to do an impression of Conor McGregor? Is that even possible? Yeah, possible. Joey would have to watch them But Joey I'm talking about you do an impression of Joey doing an impression of what kind of idea to take part cocksucker We're gonna take over Who's done what I've done who's done what I've done who's done what I've done who the fuck has done what I've done I'm doing this shit for Ireland dog what the fuck think about what I've done what the fuck did he Bravo I love how he calls your full name Brendan shop. What's going on Brendan shop?
Starting point is 02:30:35 World class and if you've ever heard him do a Porsche or a Rottweiler, it's about as good as it gets Can you do a Porsche right there? No Porsche. Come on, please Come on. No. How about somebody who wishes you well? Hold on. I'll tell you what. He does an amazing bear. He does a sick grizzly.
Starting point is 02:30:51 He does a sick Kodiak and a sick Rottweiler. I can do a couple noises. Let me see. I got a good grizzly, too. That's that? Is your grizzly inhaling? That's a monster. What is that? That's a monster. That's the abdominal snowman. That's that bitch from that movie. Was it The Ring?
Starting point is 02:31:12 That's actually Bigfoot. That's actually Bigfoot. That's the real Bigfoot? I am Bigfoot. That's Noguera's joints when he wakes up in the morning. Oh, my God. Didn't you say that Noguera has to have someone work on his back for over an hour before he actually works out? One month, yeah.
Starting point is 02:31:26 What does he do? He gets a Thai girl to walk on his hamstrings. Yeah, he has to do all sorts of stuff. And everyone told me last fight, bro, don't worry, it takes him an hour just to get ready. Like, I don't give a fuck. Wow. This is a great fucking fight we're about to watch here. It's a good fight.
Starting point is 02:31:42 By the way, how fun are these goddamn fight companions? The best, man. I was looking forward to this all day. I was immersed in girl activities, my daughters and my wives, all this girl, girl, girl shit, and I'm looking at that clock in six hours. I get to be a man. I get to be a man again. Dude, it's almost over.
Starting point is 02:31:59 We got 15 minutes of manhood. We can talk manly shit, talk shit to each other. Brian's going to take us to dinner. Dude, I watched the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills today. I was working out in my little gym, and it was on, and I watched it, and
Starting point is 02:32:15 watched these bitches screaming at each other, and watched these girls turn at each other. I'm like, how bizarre is this behavior, and how bizarre are these women? I'll watch that shit. I will watch that shit. I just saw a new one advertised. Mob wives.
Starting point is 02:32:29 No, the hot girls of Las Vegas. Or the hot wives of Las Vegas. You're talking about wags. Wives and girlfriends of celebrities? No, man. I just saw it on a bus the other day. Hot wives of Las Vegas. That's on VH1, son.
Starting point is 02:32:40 Wags. There's probably so many shows. And they are. Because they're tired of wives Nobody wants that anymore Well if they fight It's good People love wives that fight
Starting point is 02:32:51 There's a whole beat up bitch That's torturing Some poor guy That sucked into this existence Sorry Nobody wants to see The hot housewives There's a lot of that
Starting point is 02:32:59 Tate Fletcher has spoken Damn We're getting trapped This is very important. So who's up right now? Who's up? Somebody just posted. This is the main event?
Starting point is 02:33:08 But who was up in the betting here between you two? Oh, me. What did you? He's going to owe him $3,000. We got $1,000. On which fight? Double or nothing now. Double or nothing.
Starting point is 02:33:16 Would you bet on Magni? Did you bet on the Magni fight? Magni. And then I, yeah. Oh, it was a carry. You won $1,000 from the Magni fight? No, no. $500.
Starting point is 02:33:23 Nah, betting another $1,000. But we had another $500. I'm going under. Because remember, Joe, I won the $500 on Glover OSP fight. I'm fucked here. Damn, you bet against Glover. What do you guys think about Glover versus Pat Collins is a tough fight? What do you think about that fight?
Starting point is 02:33:37 Two sick wrestlers. It's a bummer, man. Maybe we keep doubling or nothing until I win. Pat's my boy, man. Too much for Pat as in Glover's just too much for the veteran? That's a big statement about how you feel about Glover. I love Pat, man. I love Pat.
Starting point is 02:33:49 He's my closest training partner when I was fighting, you know? And if I could pick a horrible matchup for him, it would be Glover. Dude, Glover. I don't know how he's going to win, man. I was super impressed. And that breaks my heart to say it. Super impressed with Glover versus OSP. Super impressed.
Starting point is 02:34:01 For real. Yeah. A veteran, man. He's a monster. Sits in the cut like, relaxed. Here goes. Oh, you're an amazing athlete with those crazy kicks? That's fine. Well, the only... Not the only chance, but a good chance
Starting point is 02:34:12 that Pat can mimic is when he fought Phil Davis in Brazil. But that was a Glover who was kind of like all worn down. It was like eating fucking just veggies or some shit. Also, he was coming off of that... Was it he was only eating veggies? I made that up. He looked like shit. He was coming off the John Jones fight and he hurt his shoulder pretty bad in that fight I don't know what he did to fix it he never went through surgery he didn't
Starting point is 02:34:31 look good remember Phil just hung on warm out so I mean Pat could do that for sure but you don't want striking he was training for that fight in Connecticut in a garage remember like by himself yeah they heard the countdown show showed him like riding a stationary bike listen Good guy. Listening to ABBA. And that's it. Glover's like 37. That's it. Is he 37?
Starting point is 02:34:49 Glover is not young. He looks every bit of 45. This is not 37 from six years ago when you could do stuff and get away with it. Right. This is a legit 37. And that's not good. Legit 37 is every boxer that's ever been good ever except for George Foreman is done. These guys are the same guy.
Starting point is 02:35:04 And done, done. Except Bernard Hopkins. But we don't know what Bernardman is Dunn. These guys are the same guy. And Dunn Dunn. Except Bernard Hopkins. But we don't know what Bernard Hopkins is doing as far as growth and stuff like that. If people don't think he's ever taking something, you're fucking crazy. At 50? He's 50. He's 50 and he's still winning. Who's 50?
Starting point is 02:35:15 Bernard Hopkins. And by the way, his body does look different. It does look different. But that may be in many ways one of the greatest sporting feats we've seen, period. And you know what else is good, too? He doesn't seem to be diminished as far as his ability to talk. Yeah, he's a good announcer.
Starting point is 02:35:31 He's never been hurt. Remember that. He's very good for being 50. For a fighter, yes. Here we go. Max Holloway and Oliveira. See, I feel like Oliveira is more technical standing up, and I think he's way better on the ground.
Starting point is 02:35:49 But I think Holloway is so damn scrappy. Yeah, he lets it go. He's so confident. He's so wild. Like, right there, I love that. Right hook to body and then a straight left afterwards. I was just so impressed with the way he took it to Cub, kept moving, wore him out, hurt him a couple times,
Starting point is 02:36:02 almost finished him once, and then finished him again. Look at the body shots, though. He's going right to the body like that. He's an animal, man. Max, hurt him a couple times, almost finished him once, and then finished him again. Look at the body shots, though. He's going right to the body like that. He's an animal, man. Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker. And the other thing about Holloway is he's young. Super young. 23.
Starting point is 02:36:13 When you get a guy like that, you're seeing him every six months. You're seeing a way better version. Look at his defense. Look at that defense. So you can't even judge him by who he used to be six months ago. Because he's probably way better now. I think Charles is more dangerous. I just think Max has, I think he puts it together better.
Starting point is 02:36:29 That's why I think Max is going to win. I think he just throws it all out there. He's like, I'm just going to put all my training together. I'm going to throw everything at him right now. I'm not wasting shots. Caution to the wind. I'm having TJ Burrell flashbacks. They have a common opponent, Cub Swanson.
Starting point is 02:36:42 Cub Swanson lit Charles Oliveira on fire. And Max Holloway, he stopped him early in the first round. And then, of course, Max Holloway just got this biggest win. Something was wrong with Cub when they fought. Didn't he get hurt in the first round? I'm not taking anything away from Max. What happened? Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:37:02 This fight's over. Broke his collarbone? Oh, fuck. Oh, no way. Really? Pay me my money. Oh, shit. This fight's over. Broke his collarbone? Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Oh, no way. Really? Baby, my buddy Eddie Garbo. Damn. He can't put his arm down.
Starting point is 02:37:10 It hurts too bad. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Holy fuck. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's going on there, man? He dislocated his shoulder. Wow, look at this collarbone. The camera pulled away from him.
Starting point is 02:37:17 The camera pulled away from him immediately. Wow, powerful Max Holloway. That's too bad. It would have been fun to see him go. Yeah, it was shaping up to be an interesting fight But Holloway was teeing up on him already God damn I think I just lost 20 bucks
Starting point is 02:37:31 Yeah man, you did Eddie lost Eddie lost 2 grand His collarbone is shattered Oh fuck man What's up bomber, you don't want to see that go out like that God damn Can we get a replay or something?
Starting point is 02:37:45 Yeah. Give us some volume, son. That was scary. Give us some volume, young Jamie, so we can find out what they're saying. Why are his wings tattooed differently? One's a devil. One's an angel, bro. Obviously.
Starting point is 02:37:56 Not sure where he's going. Just going to be happy. He just stopped and went, I'm done. Oh, God. Yeah, well, he's a smart dude. He must have known something was cracked. Write my check, he says. Well, you can't ask for a performance bonus for that.
Starting point is 02:38:11 Guy got injured. Definitely not. That's kind of silly. That's a bummer. Let's see what happened here. Although, it was an interesting fight. So he shoots him and hits the fucking... Pulls it up and rips his shoulder.
Starting point is 02:38:21 Oh, he hurt it right there. Right there. Yeah, look, look, look, look, look, look. No? No? No? Yeah. No, no, no. It's his shoulder. Oh, he hurt it right there? Right there. Yeah, look, look, look, look, look, look. No? No? No? Yeah. No, no, no.
Starting point is 02:38:28 He's still good. No, this is something else. This is something else. Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. He gets up. Yep, yep, that's it. Something pulled a little bit.
Starting point is 02:38:35 No, no, no. And then it's over. Eddie, Eddie, that's off. I'm not going to charge you. I'm not going to charge you too bad for that. Oh, you're a beautiful person. Look at this. So he's been shooting for the takedown.
Starting point is 02:38:46 Shooting for the takedown. I would think he just he broke it something and then he didn't really feel the extent of it Well, it's quiet. Let's give us some volume. Maybe we can hear Jamie give us more volume Wow, it's hold on. I'll take whatever bet you make the next bet and I will be double or nothing you pick Let's see what he said. Let's hear what they're saying. Fight's over. Main event. Hold on.
Starting point is 02:39:08 Shh. Seems like he's grabbing his neck, man. That's a collarbone thing, though, right? I don't know. Well, it's fucked up that his nose started bleeding Immediately when he did that Shit Doesn't look good guys
Starting point is 02:39:30 That was a neck thing His coach kept going like this Behind him kept going like this That's a bomber That doesn't count All bets off on that Well you're a beautiful person. Because Eddie Bravo would have stuffed it right up your ass.
Starting point is 02:39:49 If he won that. I would have done the same thing. That's not a real fight. That's not a real fight. Well, it was a real fight. But I'll tell you what. I was super impressed with Holloway before that. Before the ending, he was really landing some nice shots.
Starting point is 02:40:01 He was bringing it. He was moving really well. Staying safe. Motherfucker is getting better. He could be the champ. Holloway could be the champ. I agreeing safe. Motherfucker's getting better. He could be the champ. Holloway could be the champ. I agree. He's my dark horse in that division.
Starting point is 02:40:09 What's the next UFC? Dodson Johnson? Well, it has to be on a companion, though. Okay. So we got to figure out. Damn. Okay. Damn.
Starting point is 02:40:19 What a fucking. His fucking collarbone fell off. Well, we hope that's what happened. I'm nervous that he was grabbing his neck. I'm nervous that his neck's fucked up. Is there any truth to that? You can get hit in the neck there? Like judo chops?
Starting point is 02:40:33 And get fucked up? You saw The Man of Mystery? What do you mean? Austin Powers? You can get hit in the neck and knocked out. Oh, for sure. Kicks. Kicks.
Starting point is 02:40:40 Leg kicks. In the movies with the gun, you know, they take the gun and go psh. That's got to be real. Aubrey's talking about like the jud, they take the gun and go pshh. That's gotta be real. Aubrey's talking about the judo chop and hit them and they pass out, right? Well, apparently there's... There's that movie about that cult leader that just came out and he killed
Starting point is 02:40:55 somebody with judo chops, apparently. The Source family? Really? It's the guy from the Source family, yeah. I don't know what that is. He killed a guy with judo chops and then started a cult with a bunch of hot chicks who wore white and he banged them all. What the fuck? There are no chops in judo,
Starting point is 02:41:12 but you know what I mean? That's like, it's in the newspaper clipping. In old judo, in old judo there was, Brian. Well, I saw the Flintstones and they said, Fred Flintstone said, a judo, a judo, a chop, chop, chop. No, it comes from Austin Powers. Judo, chop, chop. No, no, no, it does not. It comes from Fred Flintstones, and they said, Fred Flintstones said, a judo, a judo, a chop, chop, chop. No, it comes from Austin Powers. Judo, chop.
Starting point is 02:41:25 No, no, no. It does not. It comes from Fred Flintstones. Fred Flintstones. I'm a bitch. My decade, it comes from Austin Powers. Austin Powers is a thief. He stole that shit from Fred Flintstones.
Starting point is 02:41:34 Look up Source Family Judo Chops. I am right now. All right, perfect. Judo chop. Hey, let's hear it. Give us some volume. Give us some volume. That's a bummer, man.
Starting point is 02:41:41 Volume. Let's hear the official. Set of nipples on him. Oh, come on. Why are they calling that a TKO? That's ridiculous. Why not medical stoppage? Well, do they revise that if they find out what happened to his neck?
Starting point is 02:42:08 I don't know Or his collarbone or whatever? Let's see what he says Hey, you know, I want to do like BJ And be the champ Bring it home In every way class So what is going on with Olivera? We don't know what the hell
Starting point is 02:42:44 Yeah, I'm trying to see it Fuck, now that's scary Him saying that Kenny Floyd says So what what is going on with Olivera? We don't know what the fuck now That's scary him saying that Kenny for years Kenny Florence says Charles Olivia hurt his neck when he went headfirst into the cage Wow For sure he better not stop because it was stinger lose my number if you stop cuz right my number He doesn't have your number first of all he doesn't even speak english you'd be like you'd be surprised you talk a lot of about brazil on the brazilian internet they released all his information so everybody can hate i get death threats from brazilians all the time one of the coolest moments was you know working for the ufc you're running into these
Starting point is 02:43:22 famous fighters all the time and when nogaraoguera first came over, we started talking, and we exchanged numbers, and I thought it was the craziest shit that I'm exchanging numbers with fucking Noguera. It was so weird. We've never, like, exchanged any texts or anything after that. It was kind of like just, but it was really strange. You know who I said that Sam Stout retired? Yeah, it's his opponent, the 26-year-old opponent.
Starting point is 02:43:46 His first UFC fight knocks out Sam Stout and says, I'm done. Hey, tight move. Just wanted to get there, knock the guy out. Peace, bitches. Save that head trauma for your mama. Save that head trauma for your mama. Not a bad idea. That's a good t-shirt, man.
Starting point is 02:44:01 Save that head trauma for your mama. Let's see if the UG has a... Oh, here it is. Here's the man who killed somebody with judo chops. Judo chops. Looks like Justin Wren. He also calls himself Father Yod. Holloway wins with the judo chop.
Starting point is 02:44:18 The man and his first wife and daughter to ride to Hollywood on a motorcycle in addition for the role of Tarzan. Well... Yeah, well, he may or may not have killed someone with judo chops. He may have shot him. Killed a man. Killed a man. Abandoned his daughter, but then killed a man.
Starting point is 02:44:33 So, well, and auditioned for Tarzan. There's a lot of judo chops. Not my guy. It seems like your life. Eugenics. I'm jealous. Eugenics. Oh, no. Somebody said something in TheEconomist.com to me about it. Swedish eugenics you know somebody's on the economist Swedish eugenics 1930s something somebody's on your side on my timeline is it really it's for also robbed 11 banks he robbed 11 banks he sounds a man with you the job Roblin
Starting point is 02:44:57 bank started a cool free though still free and running in his cold free and in his cult they made a one of the doctrines was you had to smoke weed for exactly seven second pulls from the bong. I was like, in the commandments, you had to go. That's hilarious. And then they would do kundalini yoga, get all high, and then fuck each other. That's hilarious. I don't see anything.
Starting point is 02:45:14 That's hilarious. That part. Yeah, we're trying to find out what happened to Charles Oliveira, but I'm scared, man. I don't like that. No, I don't like that at all. That's a bummer to see. That's garbage. Because if you're all amped up with adrenaline and sweating and your neck gets hurt that bad
Starting point is 02:45:28 It's just early on early on when you have the nerves Yeah, like you said all the adrenaline turn the volume up was Michael Bisping saying cuz he had some significant neck problems Look at that dapper fucking Englishman. Beautiful hair. He's a handsome guy. That right eye looks a little suspect. Oh, yeah, he's got some serious problems with his eye. He's got oil in his eye. Look at this. Look at this, he's got some serious problems with his eye. He's got oil in his eye. Look at this, look at this, look at this.
Starting point is 02:46:07 He's like, dude, dude, dude. At least he didn't punch him in the face there. But he did hit him. I know. He's going, no, no, no, I'm done, I'm done. He's like, oh, wait, here's one for your liver. You're not done yet, bitch. So they sent me this thing for Eddie, and they go,
Starting point is 02:46:21 between 35 and 76, no fewer than 60,000 young Swedish women deemed mentally defective or otherwise handicapped to a degree, which makes them, quote, incapable of looking after their children. Or sterilized. Well, that's not quite the same as looking bad, but continue. They were ugly. They cut them out. I'm on your side, brother. The internet's with you. The internet.
Starting point is 02:46:43 The internet's mad. Apparently they were judged by the symmetry of their face the internet They thought like they thought that the symmetry of your face determined how your how is that what it says online? Are you just guessing no? I'm just guessing they did study faces to see if they had any correlation to exact criminal behavior That was like skulls, right? Phrenology. Of course, that turned out to be complete shit.
Starting point is 02:47:07 They found out ugly people were committing crimes? They did look into it, right? There's a way you could look at if someone's face inside of their criminal. Of course, there's no science to it at all. Of course. Of course, but they did it. Hitler was into that shit.
Starting point is 02:47:17 They did. Oh, yeah. It was actually considered science for a while. In Sweden. I think it was actually in the United States. I'm not going to lie to you guys. That main event bummed me out, man. They did that in Sweden going to lie to you guys, that main event bummed me out. They did that in Sweden.
Starting point is 02:47:26 That main event bummed me out. It was definitely a war. It bums me out because I'm worried about that dude's neck. That's real unusual, man. Joe Riggs was the last time that happened when Joe went down from that takedown. But Joe's so battered and beat up, I just figured it was probably an old injury. Yeah, Charles is young, man. Yeah, man. Well, we don't know.
Starting point is 02:47:48 We never know. Oh, man. You got out of this one, Eddie. I'll give you that, my man. Hey. Well, you got out because you let him out. Yeah, I'll pay you if you want me to. No, I don't want that tainted money. Okay, next fight companion.
Starting point is 02:48:06 You pick the main event. I'll pick... If it's close. If it's like Ronda versus Holly, we can't do that. I'll take Holly home. There's no way
Starting point is 02:48:13 he's going to do a fight companion for Ronda Rousey. I can't. I'll be there. I'll be there for that one for sure. Unless it's in Yugoslavia.
Starting point is 02:48:20 I was just making an exaggeration point here. They decided to do it in Chechnya. What about when's Barnett-Roy Nelson? In Japan. There's no way
Starting point is 02:48:31 you're going to that job. No. Not happening. Barnett-Roy Nelson. But I might be on the road. I don't know. It's always tough. That's the only thing
Starting point is 02:48:37 that came to my mind. It's tough to get the stars aligned every now and then. But it's good enough. Every now and then. Yeah. It's every now and then.
Starting point is 02:48:44 And people are like, yeah, you guys talk over each other and you on each other yes that's what we do yes that's what friends do but it's amazing how controlled it is even in this atmosphere booze weed it's a little crazy it's amazing that brian count still tries to give jiu jitsu advice right down on the knee that was the first thing i say put down butter your chin push down in there that's the right when he sat down. That's a whole different technique. Oh, what you need to do in front of Eddie Brown. It's annoying that people don't know.
Starting point is 02:49:09 You are the most qualified talking about most handsome man, though. No, I know that. You're the gayest guy in this room, for sure. 100%. We still really haven't gotten down to it because you've got to go, Luke, you've got to go your boy, Jobin. Also, I think what you're going to need to do in order to
Starting point is 02:49:25 really have a definitive idea is look at their bonus. We're probably done, right? Yeah, we're already done. We're done. This is it. Three hours. Eddie Bravo on Twitter. Aubrey Marcus on Twitter. Brian Cowan with a Y on Twitter. Tatumus Maximus on Twitter. No, Tate Fletcher. Oh, back! Come on. You've got it back. Come on.
Starting point is 02:49:41 Who's got Tatumus Maximus? You two? Double? I double up, but I don't ever look at that shit. The other one you should post like ridiculous shit. It's just to be dead. Just post shit. Whatever Dick Eddie sends me. That's it. You went with a piece.
Starting point is 02:49:52 Brendan Shaw in the motherfucking house. Boom. Fighter and the Kid. When are you going to bring back Eddie Bravo Radio? That's a good question. All right. Pirate Life Podcast. Pirate Life Podcast.
Starting point is 02:50:03 On It Podcast. Warrior Project. All right. That's it Podcast. Pirate Life Podcast. On It Podcast. Warrior Poet Project. All right. That's it, fuckers. We'll be back soon. And we're probably going to do an On It one from Texas this week. Aubrey and I are going to go slay pigs. That's right.
Starting point is 02:50:14 Not cops. That's rude. I don't call cops pigs. But real wild pigs. Oliveira's neck is braced and he's on a stretcher. They're taking out back weight. He's still grabbing at his neck. Whoa.
Starting point is 02:50:24 Bummer. Whoa. Not resign him. Oh, my God's on a stretcher. They're taking out back weight. He's still grabbing at his neck. Whoa. Bummer. Whoa. They will not resign him. Oh, my God. Fuck. All right. Well, all of our hopes and wishes are for Oliveira. You know, send him some love.
Starting point is 02:50:35 That's horrible. That sucks. For sure. All right, folks. Thanks for tuning in. And that's it. We'll see you soon. Bye-bye.
Starting point is 02:50:41 Much love. Peace. Good fighters. Wow.

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