The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - August 27, 2016

Episode Date: August 27, 2016

Joe is joined by Eddie Bravo to watch the fights on August 27, 2016. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ooh-wee! Hey everybody, it's Fight Companion! If you've never heard one of these podcasts before, it's supposed to be us watching the fights. We're definitely gonna watch the fights because Jim Miller is right about to fight Joe Lozon. Holla! Oh shit! But we're also intoxicated. And we will be talking shit about completely unrelated subjects. So don't totally expect...
Starting point is 00:00:28 People get mad. Where's the fight breakdown, bro? Where's the analysis? Doesn't always happen, folks. Disclaimer, bitch. Disclaimer. We don't have a producer. This is as close...
Starting point is 00:00:40 I mean, we have Jamie, but we don't have an executive that's telling us how the show goes, so we just talk. But the fight is going to be awesome, for sure. It's a rematch. Remember that fight, the first fight? I don't remember any fights. Crazy bloodbath, dude. Really close fight.
Starting point is 00:00:55 It was a war. What happened? I believe Miller won a decision. Jamie, see if I'm correct. Damn, you don't even remember. If you don't remember, how am I supposed to remember? It was a super, super close fight. I'm pretty sure that Miller won a decision.
Starting point is 00:01:09 But I remember it being really tightly matched. If you look at these guys skill-wise, you think about them like both guys are, at this point in their career, super consummate pros. They're real similar in that regard, almost mirror images. And the fact that these both guys are so competent, and they have some amazing victories, like Miller, when he tapped out Oliveira. Lozon just knocked out Diego Sanchez. I mean, come on, that was probably one of his best victories ever.
Starting point is 00:01:37 How about when he was 19, I think it was, when he knocked out Jens Pulver, remember that shit? Dude, Lozon's a beast. Look at this shit. He's got a leg lock. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Good defense.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Good defense right there. Holy shit. Both guys are super legit on the ground. Fuck yeah. Miller won the first one in the decision. Yeah, see? My memory's not that bad. But I remember it being a fucking war, right?
Starting point is 00:02:02 Was this split decision, Jamie? Unanimous. Unanimous decision. These are the kind of fighters that fight to their full potential. They have so much confidence. They've done it so much. So much experience that you could trust them no matter what crowd you put them in front of. No matter who you put in front of them.
Starting point is 00:02:16 They're going to perform like they do at the gym at their best. Yeah. That's a great way of describing it. Seasoned as fuck. They're like that Chipotle fried chicken and shit. Three minutes and 50 seconds. 48,
Starting point is 00:02:31 47, 46, 45 if you want to sync up in the first round. This whole card is fucking bang up, man. I was real excited about this card. They're both really good strikers. They're both really good wrestkers. They're both really good wrestlers. They're both really good at jiu-jitsu. I mean, Jim Miller
Starting point is 00:02:48 is a wrestler who's legit black belt. That guy's really good off his back. Remember he tapped Fabricio Camões? Tapped him in an armbar from the guard. I don't remember. I was like, holy shit. It was legit as fuck, dude. His jiu-jitsu is
Starting point is 00:03:03 no joke. And Lozon as well. Lozon's MMA jiu-jitsu is no joke And Lozon as well Lozon's MMA jiu-jitsu is top shelf Nasty He'll get you in transitions He's a finisher He put you in a triangle It's probably 98% rap city
Starting point is 00:03:17 You know what I like about Lozon too? It's like he goes from zero to 100 miles an hour Like instantly He hits hard as fuck. He's Game, he's a true savage you put him in the college in the Coliseum against lions and shit He'll be right there did you know what I mean, and you know what's interesting super nice super smart guy when you talk to him He's like a tech wizard. You know you talked to him about video games, and he used to work on computers and When he dives on shit man
Starting point is 00:03:46 i mean he like completely fully commits on things this is some serious shit right here this matchup right here it's like yeah it's like pepino cuevas versus uh um tommy hearns or some shit you know yeah this is classic shit right here going on. We're watching some classic MMA guys. You look at top-level professionals. These guys are in, for sure, the top of their class. I would put either one of these guys up against a lot of the 155-pounders in the top eight, top nine. Dude, they could throw down with anybody.
Starting point is 00:04:24 They could go right there with Conor McGregor. They could throw down with anybody. They could go right there with Conor McGregor. They could throw down. Can you imagine Joe Lowe's on Conor McGregor? That would be amazing. Conor is so goddamn fast. And he hits so goddamn hard. Holy shit. It's not just hard, man.
Starting point is 00:04:37 It's the accuracy is a big part of it. I mean, it's definitely hard. He hits hard as fuck. But it's the speed and the accuracy combined. Like, you know, people give him a hard time about doing that Ido Portal movement shit. Yeah. I don't know, man, because his movement is outstanding. Like, his ability to move his body.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I think people joke about that. They know it's legit, but it's just the way Nate Diaz called the touch butt. You know what I mean? I think people know it's legit. It is. Movement is great. You know what I mean? I would like to know how much of an effect it really has had.
Starting point is 00:05:13 It's basically like Kata. You know, you're- But even more crazy. Oh, look at this fight, dude. These guys are going after it. Good body shots. Yeah, man. I was so impressed with the way, first of all,
Starting point is 00:05:28 his timing on that left leg kick. There it is. Touch butt. Touch butt. Touch butt. Have you seen that parody of Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor? There's dudes that use like uh he uses a nate diaz type uh snapchat filter on my instagram there's a video of it uh dude it's
Starting point is 00:05:52 fucking hysterical it's a parody of conor mcgregor and nate diaz like getting uh intimate getting like slightly gay have you seen this no i have, I have not seen that. Oh, dude. I have my limits. It's so fucking good. That's hilarious. The guy who does Nate Diaz is perfect. That could be a cartoon, dude. Just Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor, like the odd couple, just hanging out.
Starting point is 00:06:22 That'll be an easy hit, easy sensation. Dude, the pace in which those guys fought that five-round fight. I don't think I've ever screamed as much during that fight. I was actually screaming, going, like all through the fight, it was so intense. That was a fight where I felt like, man, I would have rather done a fight companion for this than call it. Because I wanted to swear a bunch of times.
Starting point is 00:06:48 I don't think I've ever got as excited for any fight ever. Seriously. Maybe the only other one was Noguera, Bob Sapp. That's the only other one. Goddamn, that's crazy. That was such an amazing fight. Holy shit. Conor McFucking Greger, man.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Holy shit. And Nate Diaz, man. They're both awesomez they're both awesome they're both awesome that was a great fight you mean I honestly I haven't gone back
Starting point is 00:07:11 and watched it again and tried to score it and I stopped a long time ago trying to score fights while I'm watching them I don't know what the fuck has happened
Starting point is 00:07:20 I mean the fact that he went five rounds and Nate Diaz he kept up with them I thought for sure if it went past three Nate was was just going to completely dominate. And he fucking hung in there, man. Survived that fourth round.
Starting point is 00:07:31 It seemed like he kind of caught a second wind somewhere around the fourth round. And he started punching looser and more relaxed. Sort of fell into a different pace. Yeah. You know? That fight proved that Conor has, he proved that he has legit heart. Oh, yeah. He was in trouble there a couple rounds, and Nate was messing him up.
Starting point is 00:07:52 And had him against the fucking cage. It looked like he was slowing down. And he fucking regrouped. He got a second wind or whatever you want to call it. He came back and, fuck. It was an important fight to watch. He came back and, fuck. It was an important fight to watch, you know, because that was a guy that had just decided that he was not going to be defined by this one fight.
Starting point is 00:08:16 And that it was not going to be defined by his past result. And that he's better than that. And he's going to come in, he's going to show everybody. And, dude, if he could keep that pace up that he fought in that first round, it's like he's so explosive. Dominic Cruz was talking about it, and it really got me thinking, man. He said, I don't know if you could fight in a style like Conor does for five rounds. And I thought about it. I was like, wow, man.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Dominic Cruz, first of all, would know, right? If anybody's going to know, Dominic is kind of super high fight IQ. So I considered it out of respect. And then I thought about it. I was like, well, there's only one way to move that fast. When Conor closes the gap and blasts Nate with those left hands, the fucking speed and explosiveness of it,
Starting point is 00:08:58 that's a very tense movement. That takes a lot of energy to do. I think it takes way more energy than what nate does because what nate and nick do they overwhelm you with volume and their overwhelming ability to maintain a certain level like a certain level of activity like especially nick he's the master at it like maintaining a level of activity that you can't keep up with and then turn it on once they smell blood yeah yeah like the frank shamrock fight, great example of that.
Starting point is 00:09:26 The Paul Daly fight is a great example of that. That was a war. Imagine fighting a guy that that's their style. They say, wear you down, and as soon as they smell blood, that's when they turn it on. You don't want a guy like that. You want a guy that, you know. And he's talking shit the whole time he's punching you.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Yeah. The whole time he's punching you, he's talking shit. You you he's talking shit you never get to relax yeah he's like what bitch what bitch and he's hitting you i think there was a referee i'm trying to remember who was fighting but there was a referee once where two guys were fighting i want to say it's nick diaz but it might not have been where the referee was telling him to stop talking and i was like don't tell him to stop talking why would you tell him to stop talking as if it's Nick Diaz, but it might not have been. The referee was telling him to stop talking. And I was like, don't tell him to stop talking. Why would you tell him to stop talking? As if it's somehow or another
Starting point is 00:10:09 it's worse to beat someone's ass and talk shit than it is to just beat their ass. That's so bizarre. You know? Why can't you talk shit? And Nate Diaz is beyond a rock star. He's he's beyond a rock star.
Starting point is 00:10:25 I mean, he's as famous as a rock star. I mean, right now, dude on Instagram, he's already over a million followers. I mean, he is, he's got that attitude that there'll never be another Nate Diaz. No. You know what I mean? I mean, can you imagine a guy trying to emulate his personality? You know, there'll never be anybody like Nate. I mean, can you imagine a guy trying to emulate his personality?
Starting point is 00:10:44 You know, there'll never be anybody like Nate. And the one thing that impressed me, one thing that impressed me a lot about Nate Diaz is his ability to trash talk in the media back. I mean, that touch-butt stuff. I mean, shit. Some people thought he was going to get trounced. And he got real, real quick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:02 No, he's good at that. First of all, he doesn't get rattled. And that was a big problem in the first fight, I think, too, with Conor, that he had to overcome. This is the first guy that not only did he not get rattled, he got back at him. And he made him flinch at the weigh-ins. I think that was big. Yeah. You know, a bunch of people talked about that.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Red Band was one of the first people that pointed it out to me. Sent me a thing. It was, dude, look, he flinched. And I went, oh, shit, he flinched. That seems so stupid. Yeah. It seems so fourth grade. But there might be something to it, man.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Was that the greatest UFC fight ever? God damn it, man. It's so hard to tell. There's so many good ones these days. But the personality clashes plus the fact that Conor's considered, already he's considered one of the greatest. Some people might say he's the greatest of all time. Some people might say that just based on what they've seen. It is amazing.
Starting point is 00:11:52 But then there's Carlos Condit, Robbie Lawler. And then Nate Diaz as well. Nate Diaz, the guy that people consider the new unstoppable force, Nate Diaz stopped him. He choked him out. Now, second fight, it could have went either way. I had Nate Diaz winning, but when looking back at it again, I'm like, shit, that second round, that's a hard one to score. I see how it could have gone either way.
Starting point is 00:12:14 I really do. It's almost a shame in a fight that's that close. I would like to see what the results are. I think the majority of people thought that Conor won, and this is what I think you have to consider, those knockdowns, and that Conor was staggering him with those straight lefts and cracking him with those leg kicks. You look at like decisive moments in the fight. I feel like those decisive moments of super crisp punching where he knocks him down, where he's repeatedly landing that leg kick. That's kind of worth a lot.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Like he was lighting him up. Early in that first round, particularly. But if it meant that much, you could look at it another way. If it meant that much, maybe it didn't mean that much, because if it did, how was he on his back when the fight ended
Starting point is 00:12:57 and Nate Diaz is on top, rounding and pounding, Mike? Yeah. If all that meant so much, maybe it didn't mean that much after all. Well, I don't know, man. That's just another way of looking at it. Because in Pride, everybody knows that they judge fights based on how the fight looks at the end.
Starting point is 00:13:14 So how would the Japanese look at that? Well, that moment where Nate's on top is huge. When he finally takes him down, that's huge. I thought that cinched it. That's what I thought. I thought, okay, that's what I thought I thought okay he got this round boom that's that's pretty huge because also it's at the end of the fight which I agree with you I think it should matter more like or like the Japanese had it for where the last round was like the most important right they judged the fight as a whole but how did
Starting point is 00:13:42 it look at the end right who's getting their ass beat at the end? Which is a real point, right? Because the whole idea about what a fight's supposed to be, it's supposed to be like high level problem solving, right? Yeah. And there's some guys that present like real scary problems and you got to figure those problems out. And whoever's winning towards the end is the guy that really figured the problem out the best. Because the guy who's on the ground, it's not, you shouldn't really be thinking in a fight, I'm already ahead, I'm just going to let this guy get on top of me.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Nobody's thinking that, right? So if the guy does take you down late in the fight, it's because he's starting to overwhelm you. That should be worth a lot. It should be worth a lot. I don't know how much, though. I mean, how much should a knockdown like the ones at Congerland... Wow, look at this.
Starting point is 00:14:27 This is a slobber knocker. Oh my god, these guys are going after it. Oh, shit. Jim Miller, throwing some bombs. Holy shit. This is outstanding. Oh, straight right by Lozon. Lozon! Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Lozon got that good job. Lozon got that good job. He's got real good boxing, man. Very good fundamentals. And heart. Both of these guys got some heart. It's interesting, man, deciding how fights should be scored, because I
Starting point is 00:15:02 don't think they've got it down yet. I think it still needs work as a system. Because I think we had a bad head start in MMA starting off with a 10-point must system. I just don't think it's adequate for all the aspects of MMA. Boxing is only judging one dimension. They're only judging one style of striking. It's just with the hands.
Starting point is 00:15:24 That's it. There's a clear rule set. You could teach somebody it. I don't think a lot of people totally understand who's even winning fights sometimes. You know, I don't think people understand who's in a bad position and who's totally safe. I just think there has to be a level of competency in martial arts themselves to truly grasp it at the highest level. That's why I think like former fighters would be like Ricardo Almeida I know is doing it in New Jersey, which is awesome. And he's a brilliant guy and he was a great fighter too. And a black belt in jiu-jitsu completely understands the ground. Like that's the kind of guy you want being a judge.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Like that's perfect. You want a guy who really understands the ground. That's the kind of guy you want being a judge. That's perfect. You want a guy who really understands the sport. And we have to make some sort of consensus as to what's most important. If you're going to judge the fight the way we're doing it right now, round by round, and a guy could just be overwhelming the guy towards the end of the fight, and it looks like he's winning, and he loses a decision, which I think we all agree. It just doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 00:16:28 See, right here, here's a good example. The first half of this round, Jim Miller's all over Joe Lozon, landing the bigger shots, but now the round's ending with Joe Lozon getting the takedown. Passing over his half guard right now. Maybe not doing the same kind of damage
Starting point is 00:16:44 that Jim Miller was doing on him on their feet. So if the round ends here... Yeah, who do you give this to? You know, some people would give it to Jim, some people would give it to Joe. Yeah. Well, this is an awesome round because there's still two minutes to go. Unless it's clearly defined. Unless it's in, like, a rule.
Starting point is 00:17:00 If, in that situation, like, they have those situations written out. All the situations. How do you score in this situation? You know, but then, you know, you basically take the judging out of it and then it's more like, you know, I mean, a judging system is, is it supposed to be an exact science or do you want, I mean. It's weird, man, because you and I might disagree. Oh, look at that elbow.
Starting point is 00:17:28 I mean, we would, we, it's very possible that we might disagree about certain aspects of scoring. Or maybe it's good that you can't trust the judges. That forces the fighters to not leave it in the hands of the judges, like everyone else says. Man, I don't know. It just doesn't make any sense. There's so many MMA fans out there that would make amazing judges how many people do you think they post on the underground would be incredible judges so many man there's so many experts like think of these guys that are doing these youtube clips now you know where they're uh breaking down
Starting point is 00:18:00 fights and talking about technique have you ever seen a lot of those? Like Lawrence Kenshin, have you ever seen his stuff? No, man. He does a lot of stuff on Muay Thai and kickboxing and stuff. And, man, he knows his shit. Beautiful videos. He's got them all over YouTube. And he breaks down all these different aspects of striking and shows what great fighters.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Look at this beautiful fucking fight, man. Joe Lozon staying on top. He shows where they erred and where guys capitalized on certain things and certain traits that guys had. He had this breakdown about custom motto and Mike Tyson and his footwork. Had a bunch of stuff on Muay Thai. Maybe it's Jack Slack that had the custom motto one. He mounted him. He mounted him. Oh, my God. He's going for the arm bar. Oh, shit's Jack Slack that had the custom auto one. There's a bunch of guys. He mounted him. He mounted him.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Oh, he's going for the arm bar. Oh, shit. Oh, my God. Joe Lowe's on. Oh, fuck. What a great ending. Wow. Dude, he went right for that arm.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Oh, my God. So that was the end of the round. That's the end of the fight. I know, but that was a nice armbar. Shit. I thought for a second he tapped. No, he escaped. What a fight.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Unless I didn't hear the bell. No, I think you're right. I'm pretty sure. Because they're not showing the... They would be showing the finish if that... What's that? That was in a round. God damn.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Oof. what's that that was in around god damn powerful joe lozano with the takedown yeah takedowns are huge man guys don't want to be taken down it's like how much of a big deal is it it's got to be worth a lot man because someone's doing something to you that you don't want them to do and it's hard to do it it's got to be worth a lot and i know a lot of people say yeah but you know sometimes if a guy takes you down you get right back up it's no big deal but it's still kind of a big deal it's still kind of a big deal that guy took you down you didn't want him to take you down and he took you down so and how long did he hold you there? Like, that's got to be worth something. It's just the question is, Yeah, I agree with that. but what's worth more,
Starting point is 00:20:08 control or damage? That's the big question, right? Like, how do you define? I don't think you can. I mean, I don't think everybody's going to agree. Stryker's going to think that striking's more important.
Starting point is 00:20:20 I think getting hit is worse than being controlled. You got to, if it comes down between Oh, yeah. dude took him down and held him but didn't do any damage, but earlier in the round he got hit with like three good shots to kind of stunned him and rocked him, you go with the guy that landed the punches. Right. You got to have damage, right?
Starting point is 00:20:37 Yeah. Yeah. Damage is huge. Because if you get rocked, that means you almost lost the fight right there. Yeah. If you get taken down and end up in some dude's full guard or even side control doesn't mean the fight was almost over i mean if you if you get all the fights that had side control in them or full guard in them and factor
Starting point is 00:20:58 in how many times the fight ended from that position that's it's super low,.00002%. Yeah. You know, I think there should be a possibility of having longer rounds. I think it would be interesting. I've always wondered, like when you're watching a five-minute round and a guy takes a guy down at like three minutes and 50 seconds and then for the next minute is just completely dominating on the ground. And you want to see where this plays out.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And then the bell rings. One of the interesting things about Pride is that you would see this arc in those 10-minute rounds. And I know as far as like athletes like athletes performance it's not the best thing because it's too hard to do like Chael Sonnen thinks 5 minutes is too hard and he might be right you know and now that everyone is all USODed they're forced to
Starting point is 00:21:55 do this all completely on the natural and it's gotta be hard to fight for 5 minutes but you gotta have at least 5 rounds you gotta have five minutes i'm sorry yeah five minutes any anything shorter than five minutes is ridiculous it seems ridiculous for sure i think uh organizations like the ufc or bellator should have the option to do fights where we're gonna the special fight is gonna be one 10 minute round or something like that
Starting point is 00:22:20 or one five minute round and then a 10 minute round or 10 minute and then a five minute like pride used to do why the fuck not there's no reason why why you shouldn't be allowed to do that oh jim miller wins split decision slobber knocker um it's a perfect example right yeah he ended the fight ended with him on his back mounted uh he escaped escaped that armbar right at the buzzer, and he wins. But based on the point system, he must have won the first and second round. Yeah, I do not think the point system is diverse enough. I don't think you can have a 10%. The margin is always going to be in these 10% bumps. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:23:04 Like 10.9, 10-8, 10-7. That seems crazy to me. Like why these big jumps? Why these big chunks? Like 10 points. Why is one 10-9 round where a guy totally kicks a guy's ass and it's a 10-9 round, and another one, a 10-9 round,
Starting point is 00:23:20 where they're just barely squeaking by each other. You can't figure out who won. You have no idea who won. How do you score that round? And you look at the numbers like equal number of punches and kicks landed, equal number of takedowns attempted and defended. What the fuck do you do with that? You just pick a guy.
Starting point is 00:23:36 That's what a lot of guys do, right? That shouldn't be a 10% thing. I didn't do that. No, you didn't? No. If the first round was too close to call, I'm like, I'm not going to call that one right now. Because if the second one's too close to call, I'm going to give them a round each, and then we're going to decide it in the third. A lot of people don't know that you used to do it for the UFC because it was so long ago. A lot of people listen to this.
Starting point is 00:23:54 But not officially. It was just the way I scored it in my unofficial. Right. You weren't a judge for the UFC, but what you would do was like Harold Letterman on HBO, which I always loved. I loved that aspect. When Harold Letterman would come, which I always loved. I loved that aspect. When Harold Letterman would come on, I'll tell you how I see it, Jim. And he would go over the score. Do you remember that guy?
Starting point is 00:24:12 Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean, he's the best. Yeah. My spot was based, like, rip that off. Yes, I know. Took that shit. But I like that.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I think MMA could benefit from something like that. Yeah. Got to get a real fighter in there. Yeah. I never fought in UFC. I never fought in MMA. I was the wrong guy. You weren't the wrong guy because you know a lot about fighting and you had a really good system.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Your system is probably one of the best systems plus if you also analyze the other aspects of the fight. If you look at your system, you would have takedowns in one column, and then you would have submissions and kicks and punches, and you would just make marks for each guy whenever you did it. And then you would look at it all, think about it in your head, and then decide what was important. But I think that is like the big catalyst. You know those subjective calls you have?
Starting point is 00:25:03 But towards the end of the round even though he only landed four or five punches he had his opponent really badly hurt so i'm gonna give him the round you know what i mean yeah the only reason i did that is because i had to go on air and i didn't know what the fuck i'm talking about when you're watching a fight you forget so i would write any anything significant i would write down and i'd have the little shorthand for like left hook and then so if i went on, I could look down at that and go, well, early in the round he had a takedown, but he did get knocked down and he landed a couple leg kicks
Starting point is 00:25:33 and I'm going to give the round to boom. That way I sounded like I actually remembered what I was watching. I was cheating. It would make scoring easier when I could go back in the round and go, oh, shit. Okay, let me give it to this dude. Boom. It's easier to go back and review the round instead of going on pure memory. Because sometimes you forget.
Starting point is 00:25:55 It's a five-minute round. Something happens in the first 45 seconds. And then a bunch of other shit happens in the middle. Now there's 15 seconds left. Some shit's going down. You might have forgotten that shit in the beginning. Yeah. You know why I think, too?
Starting point is 00:26:06 When you're really involved in a fight, you're in the moment in a lot of ways. You're watching it. You're like, what's going to happen? What's going to happen? You're locked in the moment. And I don't know about you, but when I'm in that spot, I don't have the best memory. No. My memory sucks.
Starting point is 00:26:21 The more I'm enjoying a fight, I'll remember it after the fight. But while it's going on, I'm thinking about what's happening only. And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that did happen. Oh, that's right. He took him down. Oh, the choke. How did I forget the choke? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:35 I'm thinking, damn, I don't remember any of this shit. Well, you get so locked up in them over a course of five rounds. I know that Robbie Lawler versus Carlos Cit was one of my favorite fights ever, but I couldn't tell you what happened. God damn it, Condit. Condit Maya. It's tonight. Right now.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Holy shit. It's tonight. That's going to be crazy. So excited. Yeah. I love this fight. Yeah. You know, there is hope that these conversations
Starting point is 00:27:00 that we have on podcasts about the scoring system, it should be this or it should be that. It is nice to know. I thought they were, to tell you the truth, there was a couple times we got into it where I'm like, why the fuck are we talking about this shit? This shit's never going to change. It's like, forget it. You know what I mean? Let's just drop it.
Starting point is 00:27:16 But there is hope because there have been changes. Yeah, they made the new changes to the touching the ground, right? Yes. Explain. You probably know. I think you told me so. Can you refresh my memory? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:26 I don't want to screw this up, and I'm not exactly sure when it goes into play. I probably should know this. First of the year. First of the year. Yeah. Damn, look at Jamie. Powerful Jamie knows his parts. Were you into UFC big time when you first started working with Joe?
Starting point is 00:27:41 Not really? Not really. Someone had me look this up during the fights last weekend. So you were just a Joe Rogan fan, but you were like, when he would talk about MMA, you'd be like, ugh, right? You'd turn it off and shit? It still doesn't stick very much. For some reason,
Starting point is 00:27:53 I don't know why. But you do enjoy the shows now, right? Yeah, 100%. You consider yourself a fan? Like you go on MMA websites and shit? That's awesome. I love watching the embedded stuff, like getting pumped up for fights. Oh, you're a fan then. That's pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Yeah, check it out. Jamie's a fan of a lot of sports, though, and the man only has so much fucking free time in the day. When you talk to Jamie, he knows his shit. He knows college basketball. He's one of those motherfuckers. He's one of them college football motherfuckers who knows the players.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Okay. He watched them. All right, I'm just trying to right i'm just i'm trying to i'm just like okay i always check with the sometimes um okay this girl's fighting now page van zant and beck rawlings this is a good fight man this is gonna be a crazy fight holy shit beck rawlings is badass and so is page That Paige girl goes straight from Dancing with the Stars and is like, get me a fight. Get right, but she's 23 years old, dude.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Game as fuck. Both of those girls. This is going to be an awesome fight, man. This is a good one for Fox. Yeah. I mean, it's always good to have a... Isn't it crazy that MMA is the sport where girls, women found a fucking hole out of now? They can just blossom and explode through the galaxy now.
Starting point is 00:29:15 They can't do that with women's basketball. No one's watching that shit. Women's baseball. There is no women's baseball. They got women's softball and they show the college, but there's no future. There's no money in any of that shit. They'll show women's fucking volleyball, but there's no pro women's volleyball leagues.
Starting point is 00:29:31 That's a good idea. You know, you're watching the Olympics, right? You're watching the Olympics, and I'm like, they barely show, when they show men's volleyball, it's like for three minutes. It's like, okay, what's the least amount of time we can get away with showing the men's volleyball? So they could focus on the women.
Starting point is 00:29:47 The women volleyball players are superstars. But like the men, they're like, okay, two minutes. Okay. No one's paying attention to the men's volleyball. Nobody watches. It's got the lowest ratings ever. But for some reason, people are interested in women's volleyball. How did beach volleyball become an Olympic sport?
Starting point is 00:30:05 Hot girls. Jiu-jitsu? Dude, they're in thongs. Have you seen what they're wearing? It's fantastic. Holy shit. Isn't it hilarious that we think, look, no, they have to be almost naked. Oh, it's volleyball.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Oh, it's volleyball. There's only one way to play it. Volleyball is such a sophisticated sport. Oh, my God. I love it. There's a lot to it, man. First of all, you can't play it in shorts. It can't be done. It can't be done.
Starting point is 00:30:26 It can't be done. You must wear a thong. I gotta see your full ass. It's the best. Trust me. You'll get better vertical leaps. The shorts, anything baggy is not good. Yeah, they'll put sunlamps on you, bitch.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Take your clothes off. It's not hot enough. Could someone make a fire? I think volleyball is like think volleyball And then gymnastics That's the most sexy sport ever The men's I'm not trying to find Men's gymnastics
Starting point is 00:30:52 It's on for three minutes They go to Bob Costas He gives you a quick review And then they go to the girls For seven hours straight They do the girls all day The guys they want to see Do the rings
Starting point is 00:31:03 Or they want to see them Break a leg. Yeah, real quick, just in and out. We'll fit them in. Do a little dead time. Because they got it. They can't make it that obvious. Come on.
Starting point is 00:31:12 They can't just have all women's gymnastics and volleyball and soccer and all that shit. They can't do that. They got to put guys in there. Is women's volleyball the most sexist sport ever? Look at what they make them wear. Come on. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it if they want to dress like that. But the fact that they make them all dress like that.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Is that a real picture? That is fucking crazy. It's not like to stay alive or something. You need to wear as little clothing as possible. It doesn't make any sense why they're in their underwear. Look at this. Look at that. Why the fuck are they playing naked?
Starting point is 00:31:46 What Olympics are they going to be allowed to wear thongs? Or is it written somewhere that they can't actually wear a thong? Is that written somewhere? Why do they have to dress like that? Look at that. That's ridiculous. That is ridiculous. That's very hot on the beach.
Starting point is 00:31:59 It's so stupid. Beach volleyball is an Olympic sport? What? It's very hot on the beach. Yeah, dude, I go to the beach too. I don't wear underwear like that. I go to that same fucking beach. I wear shorts. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Oh my god, Egypt's they're dressed like mummies. Dude, three people watch men's volleyball. Come on, think about that. Who's watching men's volleyball? Why does Egypt have to wear so much clothes? Is that a religious thing? Yeah. Wow. I would like to see that game are there highlights of that one i want to think that there would be a benefit in wearing that as far as like not getting your skin scratched up by the sand does that make sense but that would make you hotter that's brutal man religions that
Starting point is 00:32:42 make you wear certain clothes. Like you're only allowed to wear certain clothes. How about if you're gay, we'll kill you, but if you cut your dick off, you can live. Because apparently it's okay. It doesn't say that you can't be a transvestite or a transgender, but you can't be gay. So if you're gay, a lot of gay people in the Middle East, they gotta become transgenders or they'll die. I read something about that. That's on Vice News! And that's Vice's bullshit. Is Vice real? I saw that on Vice News.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Well, you know. It's a whole episode. Vice covers a lot of different subjects from a lot of different authors, but if they're saying it, it's a story. They're owned by Fox. Well, Shane Smith is a friend of mine. The guy owns it. But Fox owns that show.
Starting point is 00:33:29 It's a matter of how much it's happening. It might be insignificant. Rio Olympics, Mongolian wrestling coaches strip in protest of loss. What? They started throwing their clothes at the judges. Oh, my God. Was the decision that bad? A lot of things were pretty bad there. How about the guys that got robbed in Rio, right?
Starting point is 00:33:49 Did that happen a lot? No, it didn't happen. That guy made that story up. That was bullshit? Yeah. Nobody got robbed? No, he didn't get robbed, man. He didn't hear about this?
Starting point is 00:33:58 I wonder if that's a lie. Which one's the lie? Well, they have video cameras. That's why he had to tell the real story. They had security cameras from the place. He might go to jail for it. Probably not, but might. So nobody got robbed?
Starting point is 00:34:09 No. That's a beautiful thing. Not only did he get robbed, but he changed his story, and his sponsors dumped him. He had a massive sponsor dump. He was drunk, I guess. He fucked up. I mean, a guy did apparently pull a gun on them, right? Didn't the guy?
Starting point is 00:34:27 Apparently they vandalized a gas station. Right. And the security guard was making them pay for it. And whether or not they wanted to do it or not. And did the security guard? To make them pay. A gun was pulled out. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Not on them. Yeah, but see, man. Okay. Even that alone, like that story alone, if they just told the truth, that's pretty sketchy, you know? What was the truth again? Getting a gun pulled on you in Brazil. So a gun did get pulled on him? Yeah, apparently they vandalized a door.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Who's that? Ryan Lochte. So the guy that's claiming they got robbed, he was doing some vandalizing? I just think they were drunk, apparently. And I like to say apparently, like I'm a lawyer or some shit. And they broke a bathroom door or something. Is that the story, Jamie? We're going to give you the whole story, folks.
Starting point is 00:35:20 I know how frustrating it is if you listen to this shit. These girls are going after it, dude. How about backing Paige up? She's a very good striker. She's been backing her up shit. These girls are going after it, dude. How about Beck backing Paige up? She's a very good striker. She's been backing her up. She's a very good striker, man. Maybe Paige is, that's her strategy is to make her come to her. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Paige, ooh, that's a nice knee to the liver. Beck Rawlings is no joke, man. Her striking is very legit. Super aggressive with it, too. You see a girl with that many tattoos like that chick is not scared She's not scared she's not scared of pain she's not scared fuck you up. Oh Jesus. What a combination Oh good, oh, oh, oh, she's. Like, nice knee to the body. That's really good striking. Dude, I'm telling you.
Starting point is 00:36:07 All that framing, elbows. Yes, very nice. Very nice. You know, she takes like two months, and she goes down to Alliance. And she trains with Eric Del Fierro, who is one of the most unheralded guys out of all the top guys. He doesn't get talked about enough. He's a bad motherfucker. Eric is very,
Starting point is 00:36:30 very wise when it comes to MMA knowledge. Very wise, man. I like his corner work. I've seen videos of him coaching guys. Oh, shit. She did some dancing with the stars. She went capoeira. She threw the tornado kick, my friend. She does not want with the Stars shit. She went capoeira.
Starting point is 00:36:46 She threw the tornado kick, my friend. She does not want to be on the inside with Rawlings. Rawlings was hitting her with too many different things. She was hitting her with punches up top and then knees to the body. And the knees to the body, two or three of them look real good. And also, like, her distance is real good. Like, see how she's, like, sliding outside of Paige's stuff? But constantly pressuring her. So she's, like, sliding outside of Paige's stuff, but constantly pressuring her? So she's making Paige explode forward, and then it's nowhere near her, and then she's
Starting point is 00:37:11 constantly keeping up that pace on her. See? Like, Paige takes that chance, throws that kick, but then comes up empty, and she gets pop-popped. Yeah, that's not a good feeling. That is not a good feeling. You can see when one person is just starting to catch fire, starting to find it and feel it, and then you see their skill levels play out too. Van Zandt is super scrappy on the ground, really tough, but Rawlings is just a seasoned striker, man. Really crisp.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Look at the movement right there. Like, she sets up, and then she doesn't like it, and she's, like, not there. See ya. Like, if you hit her, you're catching her on the end of shit. She's sliding away from it. Very interesting. Because you're seeing, like, the level of skill
Starting point is 00:38:03 in women's MMA, like, continue to go up and up. These girls are having fucking dog fights, man. Some of the best fights we've seen. And more and more of them are developing power. Yeah. Ooh, Paige Van Zandt with the jumping round kick to the body. You see that? That and that other spinning kick that she missed by a mile but was awesome looking,
Starting point is 00:38:24 that's going to be on slow-mo highlight reel Someone caught that someone catch that Say that Not a good shot of that where she's just up there spinning like that in the middle of a fight It doesn't matter if you landed. We just need a couple just one per round. Just give me something crazy Oh, they told her to do it. Dude, just do some crazy shit. Dude for Dancing with the Stars. They're thinking about a Nike commercial or something.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Or Reebok, I'm sorry. Oh, nice combination. Right leg kick and then a right hand by Paige. Paige's starting to find her rhythm, man. Maybe, Paige, this is her strategy. Just go backwards for a while. Well, she's so scrappy, man. And she's so fit.
Starting point is 00:39:03 And she's constantly throwing down with badass dudes. Well, so is Beck Rawlings. But, like, Paige is one of those alpha male athletes. So she's at Team Alpha Male with Uriah Faber and Chad Mendes and Cody Garbrandt, and there's a ton of savages, and Justin Buchholz, who's the trainer there now, who's one of the trainers there now? I think Justin's still fighting to
Starting point is 00:39:28 Can you imagine how big pages? MMA and Fitness Academy would be good Lord alpha female Good lord Yeah, just have a bunch of badass bitches Smacking people and then brings in the dudes and then that brings in the dudes and it's like a nightclub after a while. As soon as you walk in there's no light. Just
Starting point is 00:39:53 strobe light. Working out to a strobe light. Can you imagine? There's mirrors everywhere and strobes going off. Go-go dancers. A shot girl. Maybe that's what, could you imagine if that's what Bellator does? They just go, they just go straight strip club. What do you mean Bellator?
Starting point is 00:40:15 If Bellator decided to do shows like that. Oh, like the shows? Yeah. In the dark? Yeah. The fighters got to fight with like flashing lights and strobe lights going on. It's competing with MMA. It's just too hard to catch up to the UFC, so what we're going to do is- Obscure the lighting.
Starting point is 00:40:30 We're going to make it- Everyone's going to wear neon. You're going to be hard to see. We're going to do ecstasy. You're going to have to do neon around the wrist so that you- No, we're going to do a special no neon. Oh, shit! Jumping roundhouse kick in the face.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Oh, shit! Oh, my goodness! Oh, my goodness! Oh, my goodness! What a kick! Damn! Oh, my God! Out of nowhere! Damn!
Starting point is 00:40:55 That was incredible! And then she just fucking swarmed on him. She's a tough girl, man. That is a tough girl. That's the one that's going to make the highlight. Oh, for sure, dude. She jumped in and roundhouse kicked her in the face. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:41:16 That was sensational. Maybe that was the plan, to get her coming in. Just keep her coming in, To get her coming in Get her Just keep her Coming in Coming in Coming in Well it looked like You know She was having her moments
Starting point is 00:41:30 But it looked like Beck Rawlings was Having an advantage Over her In the striking Didn't you agree Yes Absolutely
Starting point is 00:41:37 But look at this Dude Are you kidding me I don't think One ever landed like that before That's not the first one is it Yair Rodriguez Landed on Andrew Feely Look at this landed like that before. That's not the first one, is it? Yair Rodriguez landed on Andrew Feely.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Exactly like that? Yeah, real similar. I think it was the same leg, too. God damn, that was amazing. That's a scrappy. Did you see how she was holding her right hand with her left hand up so she couldn't roll away? Look at this. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Oh, shit. Oh, my goodness. Check out the end where she's punching her at the end, how she's holding her hand. Oh, my God. Look at. That's beautiful, man. Man. That is beautiful.
Starting point is 00:42:17 What technique. Very nice. And when you're an athlete like her, like a dancer like that, that girl can spring. Wow. People are gonna start doing salsa now. Damn. That's a tough girl. It's crazy. There she is. Holy shit. She's
Starting point is 00:42:37 bigger than ever. Bigger than ever. Boom. Bam. Well, I mean, come on, man. It's like 23 years old. She's a 23 year old professional ass kicker slash dancer was she a dancer before yeah there dancing with the stars there's yair rodriguez and damn jamie you're good jamie's a wizard look at this yep there it is same exact kick yeah that's that's in the jackie ch Damn. That's Taekwondo. That's in the Jackie Chan realm.
Starting point is 00:43:06 That's Taekwondo. People get mad I say it wrong. That's almost like a Bruce Lee one too, right? It's almost like a whoosh. Yeah. Well, it's- Except it's round instead of like that front snap kick, right? Some Kyokushin guys used to do it like that.
Starting point is 00:43:21 It's just basically traditional sort of a karate style move. One's a snap kick and one's a round kick, right? It could be that or it could be double round kick. You could like throw the first one just trying to touch. You're not really trying to get all the power in it. You're just trying to just touch it so you can brace off of it and then switch the hips over and throw that second one. You seen me do it on a bag before? You got to do a DVD of your fucking kicks, dude.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Come on. And just give it away. You over my garage come on and just give it away and then and then just give it away for free and just give it away for a dollar the only thing that i think there should be an instructional online is uh how to correctly throw that turning side kick to get power in it there's this almost should be like an instructional on that. You should make it. Yeah, well, you know, I wish there was this guy,
Starting point is 00:44:07 I don't think he's alive anymore. Well, you kind of did, that GSP kick. That helped a little. That was an instructional. Yeah. You basically got all your points out. It was five minutes or something, right?
Starting point is 00:44:15 Yeah. There could be, you could do it the way you would teach someone. Have you seen that one, Jamie? Him and GSP? You would do it the way you would teach someone.
Starting point is 00:44:22 You would break it down. Because I think like, a lot of it is that people are missing they're missing like one aspect of it that they just don't do right and they put the other stuff together it just doesn't work correctly because of it and that aspect is that sidekick is like getting the knee up for the regular sidekick and then extending the body that's where all the like the efficiency and the torque and the power is isn't it crazy that something as simple as a turning sidekick or just a regular sidekick and then extending the body. That's where all the efficiency and the torque and the power is. Isn't it crazy that something as simple as a turning sidekick or just a regular sidekick, it's so simple, everybody knows what it is. Sidekick is probably one of the most popular kicking names,
Starting point is 00:44:57 and yet very few people on the planet know how to throw it right. Especially like an MMA, in the UFC, how many guys throw it right especially like an mma in the ufc how many guys throw it right would you say 10 5 it's hard it's hard to say because a lot of them don't do it when they're fighting it's not a common technique but wonder boy does it perfect really with power and everything oh yeah wonder boy kind of power oh yeah yeah yeah well wonder boy when he fights he keeps you at the very end because he's real tall and long. He's got a very specific sort of style, and that style is like this.
Starting point is 00:45:30 He's got you, and when you're moving in on him, he's like angles and shots. He's angles and counters. He'll catch you with that front leg side kick, and then if you respond to it, he'll go like he's going to do to it and then hit you in the face with a roundhouse kick instead. He did that to Johnny Hendricks. He front leg side kicked and then if you respond to it he'll go like he's gonna do to it and then hit you in the face with a roundhouse kick instead he did that to johnny hendrix he front leg side kicked him in the body and like hard and you see hendrix gets jarred just a little boom well it was a jab it was a fucking he thrust it in there like a powerful front leg sidekick and you see hendrix try to move forward again like to settle in again and, he pops him with the same leg.
Starting point is 00:46:05 He hits him with a front leg round kick in the face. So how did it go? Yeah, it was like boosh, and then there was like a little bit of a movement, and then boom, the round kick came. See if you can find that. It was like when Hendrix stopped, or excuse me, when Wonderboy stopped Hendrix. He stopped him in the first round, which was insane. You know, you think that how fucking durable Hendrix is.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Hendrix is an animal. You could stop that guy in the first round. That's something incredibly impressive. You know, I mean, you think of the Hendrix that went five fucking crazy rounds with Robbie Lawler. She's a former bachelorette. What the fuck is that? What's a bachelorette? I don't understand what's going on here.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Former bachelorette? Vancouver Canucks. They take their hockey seriously up there. How about that? They're allowed to punch each other. They're sport. They're allowed to beat the fuck out of each other. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:47:03 They just drop their gloves and they go knuckle to knuckle. It's the only time you're allowed to go knuckle to knuckle with somebody on TV. You can't go knuckle to knuckle with anybody in a UFC fight. They make you tape your gloves. You have your hand wraps. You put your gloves on. You have to have gloves on. Did you know you don't have to have hand wraps?
Starting point is 00:47:22 I want to see ultimate knockouts in hockey. There's got to be a highlight video on YouTube for that. Here it is. Back it up before this, because he does this before this. He catches him. Oh, is this the combination that ends the fight? No, I'm sorry. It was earlier in the round.
Starting point is 00:47:38 It was like when they were feeling each other out. Like Thompson just starts putting it to him. Dude, that turning sidekick he threw right there was fire. Legit. Holy shit. Everything he does is legit. He does everything perfect. Is, that turning sidekick he threw right there was fire. Legit. Holy shit. Everything he does is legit. He does everything perfect. Is he the best striker in MMA right now?
Starting point is 00:47:50 Maybe Michael Page is up there too. I want to see Michael Page fight a higher caliber fighter, but that guy's... Look, man, he broke Cyborg's head. Yeah. Cyborg Evangelista, who's a long-time veteran. long time veteran i mean guy's been fighting forever tough tough guy and venom page broke his head with a flying knee he's a high level striker we just don't know how high level you know i want to see him but uh as far as the ufc wonder boy is one of the best for sure but you know it's hard to say anybody is scarier right now than Rumble.
Starting point is 00:48:27 Who's scarier than Rumble Johnson? Nobody. Nobody. No. Rumble Johnson is like, oh, here it is. You got it. Jamie found it. No, back it up.
Starting point is 00:48:36 That's the same exact combination. But did he land that turning sidekick right there? He hit him, like, in the chest but he was you know that's he's here it is i think he catches him with some weird stuff coming in man it's really interesting like they have this little combination he throws that round kick out of nowhere too he's real good at ending those combinations with round kicks where people don't expect it it comes in fast so he tags him there oh shit so it must have been before that this is the follow this is the final combination what
Starting point is 00:49:11 round did he stop him stopped him in the first wow yeah we could watch the whole first round yeah yeah let's watch the whole first round see if he could find it he overwhelmed him yeah this is uh how it sets up why is it all like weird uh it's not supposed to be on youtube here it is it's like he also gets away with keeping his hands down like that look at he tried that shit right there that jumping around house cake he gets away with shit because of his distance and his understanding of like space is so high level his understanding of space is so high level. His understanding of striking space is so goddamn good. And he was really smart. He went right to Chris Weidman.
Starting point is 00:49:52 He's like, I got to learn how to wrestle. I'm just going to fucking become buddies with one of the toughest wrestlers in MMA. And I'm going to train like an animal with a guy who can beat my ass. That's the move. Look what happened. He's the top contender. What were you going to say? What I what?
Starting point is 00:50:06 Would you recommend to a UFC fighter or like a new guy on the Ultimate Fighter show when you've got these young guys coming in, would you ever recommend they take Taekwondo classes? It's not a bad thing to do, but the problem is if you're in the middle of learning how to fight, you might want to concentrate on, I mean, if you're going to compete,
Starting point is 00:50:28 it's almost like you might want to concentrate on those other aspects before you really attempt it. You might want to concentrate. You'd have to talk to a guy who's constantly training guys and is really aware of how much resources you actually have as far as how hard you can train at stuff, you know, because if you're training two or three times a day,
Starting point is 00:50:48 which a lot of these guys are, you know, you're probably already dedicated to like strength and conditioning, jujitsu class. But you're seeing like maybe the style that wonder boy has, maybe that's a glimpse of the future. Like everybody got to get on this eventually. So if you tell a guy who's just getting in to it, you know what stick to the basics stick to Muay Thai
Starting point is 00:51:07 Oh, you could do that later. He won't get into it later. You know, you gotta do it like yesterday, right? You gotta get right on it. But here's the deal when someone's not good at that stuff. It's easy to exploit So there's there's a learning curve where you have to go You have to cross over a certain level of expertise where you understand striking, where you understand what errors to make and where to put momentum into things. And when you're learning certain kinds of kicks, they're awkward, especially if you're not that flexible. You're not used to it. You haven't done it before. You try it in an MMA fight.
Starting point is 00:51:42 It could be a problem. But if you're a guy like Wonderboy, he's learned how to do it since he't done it before you try it in an mma fight it could be a problem but if you're a guy like wonder boy he's learned how to do it since he was a kid i mean wonder boy's been doing karate with his dad since he was a kid yeah so like he's he's a goddamn wizard i mean he was he had some insane record of 50 something wins in kickboxing with no losses you know he used to fight on that Chuck Norris World Combat League. Remember that? Didn't we go to see him live once, man?
Starting point is 00:52:10 Yeah. It was like Atlantic City or something. I don't remember where it was. Where the hell was it? I don't know. But we went to see it. I hugged Chuck Norris for the first time. I've hugged him since. Remember that... One of the greatest moments of my life, man. There was a UFC fighter on that show. I'm not bullsh of my life man there was a ufc fighter on that
Starting point is 00:52:25 show i'm not bullshitting either remember there was a ufc fighter on that show a black guy who fought in the ufc who did who did that show as well he's from texas i forget his name damn it uh he's a rapper too he's a rapper fought in the ufc i think he got into rap after the ufc and then he fought on that show. Fuck! I forget his name. God damn it. From Texas. Shit. Jamie will find him. What is it? Jamie will find him.
Starting point is 00:52:53 I didn't give him enough clues. World Combat League. Yeah, you fucked it up. God damn it. What was his name? That World Combat League was dope. I enjoyed it. It's not, you know, it's not a bad idea to have a surface, almost like a mini swimming pool type thing,
Starting point is 00:53:12 the way they had it, where there's an outside edge. There's nothing wrong with having a tournament based on just kicking. It's going to be just the best kickers. That's it. We're not going to really bring in striking. You can't strike. Well, you can kick anywhere you want or something like that.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Or like whatever. You know what I mean? Like soccer? Something. Well, that's kind of what Taika Waititi is. It's like wrestling is just one tiny aspect of MMA. The takedown and the base, it's not tiny. Let me rephrase that.
Starting point is 00:53:39 It's a big part of MMA, but it's just one of the big three. You know, the big three being striking, wrestling, and jiu-jjitsu but then there's also sambo with jiu-jitsu and in takedowns there's judo with wrestling and then in striking there's muay thai boxing traditional martial arts you know but it's generally the big three and then there's like sisters and shit but um here's my thoughts on the taekwondo and Muay Thai thing. I'm like, you cannot get Taekwondo off. It's not going to work if you don't know Muay Thai. That's what I believe.
Starting point is 00:54:12 I believe that most Muay Thai cancels Taekwondo. And this is from me doing Taekwondo most of my younger life and then doing Muay Thai and then seeing the holes in it. If you don't know it, if you ever watch a Taekwondo guy, there's a few of them online. Taekwondo guys fight Muay Thai and then seeing the holes in it. If you don't know it, if you ever watch a Taekwondo guy, there's a few of them online, Taekwondo guys fight Muay Thai guys. They just get lit up. It's like Muay Thai is leg locks and boxing is Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Boxing is very important in MMA, very important.
Starting point is 00:54:42 But if you don't know Muay Thai and you don't know how to check kicks, you're going to get exposed. They're going to kick your legs. Same thing. If you know BJJ and you don't know leg locks, I see it all the time. If you're a traditional Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy who didn't get heavy on leg locks and you go against a guy who's heavy on leg locks, you could take a guy that's been doing leg locks for one year, maybe two years, and he just focuses on leg locks. See, when you're really good at leg locks, you don't have to pass the guard. You don't have to sweep ever.
Starting point is 00:55:11 With traditional jiu-jitsu, just straight chokes and arm bars, you have to pass the goddamn guard generally if you're on top to get close to any submissions. Or you've got to sweep. But with leg locks, you don't have to do shit. You can go right into leg locks from anywhere. That's the beautiful thing about leg locks. When you add that to jiu-jitsu, you combine sambo,
Starting point is 00:55:36 catch wrestling, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Boom. That right there is huge. It's just like combining Muay Thai and boxing. That's fucking huge. Combining Muay Thai and boxing. That's fucking huge. Combining Muay Thai and boxing. Boxing by itself in MMA, you're going to get your legs kicked.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Well, let me ask you this. Do you think that it is important, like if you were trying to develop a perfect fighter, do you think that it's important to start out with one discipline and get really good at it, like Damian Maia? Or do you think you should be a guy or a gal who learns everything from scratch? It all depends when you start. Is your goal to become a UFC champion? Say if you want to be the next Paige Van Zandt. What's up, Paige?
Starting point is 00:56:16 And how old are you? That's a good question. I think it's all the same. There's no one answer. If someone's 30, it's a big difference between that. If you're a kid, I would say, we've talked about this before. I would say get into breakdancing and wrestling. Do that together.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Breakdancing and wrestling, get into that hard. And do jiu-jitsu on Sundays or whatever. A little submissions here, a little pass the guard here. But make sure you're putting enough time in that wrestling and that break dancing, combining both, because we all know wrestling translates beautifully into jiu-jitsu, and now we know break dancing translates even better into jiu-jitsu, because, you know, when you're doing break dancing, you're doing way more crazy things than you are in wrestling. Wrestling's nice, simple, basic, stay on top, balance, base,
Starting point is 00:57:06 stay on top, boom, drive through, stay on top, don't let a guy get on top of you, boom. You're not asking your body to do these crazy maneuvers like in breakdancing. How nuts is that? When you're used to doing crazy shit, like spinning on your head in slow motion and shit like that, the amount of control that you have to have on your core and the motion and shit like that the the amount of control that you have
Starting point is 00:57:25 to have on your core and the strength to do all that shit it's like it's like crazy yoga capoeira touch butt all that shit all that shit combined into one because break dancing is fucking everything it's like it's gymnastics yeah it's it's wrestling. It's everything. It's yoga. It's Pilates. It's flexibility. Anything you can put. There's Grambys in it. There's rubber guard in it.
Starting point is 00:57:51 There's all sorts of shit. Breakdancing is endless. So it just makes sense. On paper, it makes sense. Yeah. That that would be the best thing to get your kids into. To develop the ultimate base balance core strength that will translate into anything i've seen it over and over again with
Starting point is 00:58:13 geo and boogie and all his guys and uh we got i got other break answers good it's for for sure it's a good base for jujitsu i got another question the question becomes though like what how much emphasis should be put on striking if you're developing a guy? You're getting a guy from the beginning. I would say, there's a lot of time, I would say focus on the wrestling
Starting point is 00:58:35 and the breakdancing. Add a little striking here on the side. Just get them moving. Maybe taekwondo on Saturday. Jiu-jitsu on Saturday. Jiu-jitsu Sunday, Monday through Friday.urday jujitsu sunday monday through friday wrestling during the day break dancing at night wrestling during the day break five days a week saturday go out go to mcdonald's and uh get a little hot fudge sunday after taekwondo do all
Starting point is 00:58:59 that shit boom and you're good yeah man you, the only thing that I would wonder about, I mean, if you run into a guy like Wonderboy, I'd wonder about it. Get it? Yeah. When you look at a guy like Wonderboy, if you can't take that guy down,
Starting point is 00:59:13 you're kind of fucked. Unless you're a better striker. Unless you're Tumanov. Yeah, you have to be. What's going to happen with him and Tumanov? It's a good question. It's a real good question.
Starting point is 00:59:22 Tumanov is this fucking, he throws straight, powerful shit. He certainly does. Yeah, so. He certainly does. He's super fluid, very technical with his angles and the way he boxes. His kicks are good, too.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Good leg kicks. It's an insane sport, man. So good. There's so many guys. Look at the 155 division. Even just, can you imagine the shit talking leading up to the fight, the countdown show, Tony Ferguson and Conor,
Starting point is 00:59:48 like even that, that's another, that's another dimension on its own, its own fucking, can you imagine, I guess Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor
Starting point is 00:59:55 almost didn't fucking happen. This, all this shit, this historic shit of all time in history almost didn't happen. If Dos Anjos didn't get hurt,
Starting point is 01:00:04 right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. If he didn't get hurt hurt we wouldn't have any of this shit so imagine tony ferguson conor mcgregor imagine that shit because tony he's gonna talk shit as well and he's intelligent and fuck dude he's an fucking total barbarian yeah he's holy shit dude the. He finds a way to win. The beating he put on Edson Barboza, holy goddamn shit. Everybody's scared of Edson. Edson's one of the scariest guys in UFC history. That's a scary opponent.
Starting point is 01:00:35 That's one guy you're like, you know what? Can we go around that motherfucker and let someone else fight him? That's what deep down everyone's thinking. Because that guy, if he lands those super fast, crazy spinning wheel kicks, if he lands that shit, you might not be the same person for the rest of your life. There might be a slight change. He's a perfect example of a guy who has outstanding Muay Thai and nasty traditional kicks.
Starting point is 01:01:01 His perfect example. You ever see him throw a spinning back kick? Yes. Perfect. Barboza, right? Yeah. And fast as fuck and powerful. His perfect example. Like, you ever see him throw a spinning back kick? Yes. Perfect. Barboza, right? Yeah. And fast as fuck and powerful. Fast as fuck.
Starting point is 01:01:08 And the wheel kick that he knocked out Terry Edom, do you know that was the first wheel kick KO ever in the history of the UFC? Really? That was the first one. Edson Barboza knocking out Terry Edom in Brazil. That's the first one? Yep. And there's an animated gif of Barboza spinning, landing on Edom.
Starting point is 01:01:24 He goes down and in the background, Ari Shafir goes like this. Really? Yeah, Ari's like in the background. Can we see that? Yeah, it's incredible. It's incredible. Like, as the wheel kick lands, you see Ari freak out in the background. Did someone make a special video and zoom in on him and shit?
Starting point is 01:01:40 And make a meme out of it? No, I'm sure someone has. I've seen it. I've definitely seen the meme. But that technique, the way he throws it is perfect. Everything he does is perfect. His switch kick is the best switch kick
Starting point is 01:01:53 I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen anybody throw a better switch kick. Dude, Anthony Pettis, Charles Oliveira. Holy goddamn Jesus. Look, Ari's in the background. See right there? His hands go up to his head. Is that what this video is about? Look at this. Boom. Yeah, Jesus. Watch this. Look. Ari's in the background. See right there? His hands go up to his head. Is that what this video is about?
Starting point is 01:02:07 Watch this. Look at this. Boom. Yeah, exactly. Watch. He lands it. Now look in the background, and you watch Ari's hands come up. Is that him doing this?
Starting point is 01:02:14 He's right there behind me. Watch this one more time. Oh, that's Joe Silva? Right here's Silva. Joe Silva's there, and Ari's right behind him. You can't enlarge that screen? No, it was really small. I made it bigger. Oh, you made it smaller. What happened? Joe Silva's there and Ari's right behind him You can't enlarge that screen? It was really small I made it bigger
Starting point is 01:02:27 Dude that's one of the greatest knockouts In UFC history In MMA history really And we're looking at Ari We're focusing scientifically Forensically on Ari That's funny But Barboza
Starting point is 01:02:44 As far as like technique like he has zero holes in his technique zero he's one of the best kickers I've ever seen because he does everything
Starting point is 01:02:51 he does the traditional kicks he does like a lot of a lot of Muay Thai techniques he's the first guy to ever stop
Starting point is 01:02:59 two opponents with leg kicks Rafael Oliveira and Mike Lulo Mike Lulo that's right nasty fucking leg kicks Lulo Oliveira and Mike Lulo. Mike Lulo. That's right. Nasty fucking leg kicks.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Lulo almost gogo plated him. He was in danger for a little bit. That was legit gogo on him. Yeah. Well, he went after Cowboy. Remember that fight? And then Cowboy caught him with a jab and then took him down and got his back. Barboza?
Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah. Barboza and Cowboy. You remember that fight? I don't. It was a crazy ass fight. Who won that? Cowboy. Cowboy. He remember that fight? I don't. It was a crazy ass fight. Who won that? Cowboy. Cowboy.
Starting point is 01:03:26 He's on fire. Dude, Cowboy McGregor would be fucking insane. Oh my God. Please make it happen. Dude, that would be fucking insane. That might be the biggest fight of all time. Holy shit. We might have to stop fighting for like a month.
Starting point is 01:03:39 Dude, Conor. Breathe after that fight. Conor is going to have 700 billion dollars when he retires come on man who's going to be richer than that guy nobody when he buys his first fucking G5 or whatever you don't think he's going to put that shit on Instagram every day
Starting point is 01:03:55 when is that going to happen he's going to live in a castle a legitimate castle a castle with a check he needs that picture that's the ultimate picture. He needs to get that one. Look at this.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Charles Oliveira closing in on Pettis. We're watching the Charles Oliveira-Anthony Pettis fight. I've been looking forward to it for a while. Oliveira moved in on Pettis. He's trying to take him to the ground. He's wrestle-fucking him. You know, the same way a lot of guys have done. He's got all that Taekwondo shit we were talking about.
Starting point is 01:04:23 It's true. It's true. But Oliveira's pretty fucking good on his feet, too. I'm interested in this because I was wondering how Oliveira would approach this fight. His technique, his stand-up is very good, man. His approach is, I'm taking this guy down. It seems like it, man. He's like, fuck that striking shit.
Starting point is 01:04:38 It's good defense by Pettis, though. Good takedown defense so far. Oliveira's a good grappler, man. He's submitted guys with a bunch of different shit, too. Weird chokes. He knee-barred Jim Miller, right? No, Jim Miller knee-barred him. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:04:58 See, that's how retarded I am. He got someone in a calf slicer. I think it was one of the first ever calf slicers in the UFC. I don't know the stats on that. I can't remember another one. Maybe somebody out there can correct me. I don't remember another one. No wonder people don't believe me about Tower 7.
Starting point is 01:05:14 I can't remember shit. Damn, Oliveira sticking to him like glue here. Yeah, he's won. He beat Efrain Escudero with that standing rear naked. Remember that fight? Yeah, there's the calf slicer. Look at that thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:36 I don't think anybody's ever tapped anybody with that before. Do people call that the Oliver Cap Crank? And rightfully so. Yeah, rightfully so. If you do it in the UFC, if you're the first one, that's yours. You own that mother fucker. Yeah, there's a lot of techniques like that, right? Look at this.
Starting point is 01:05:53 Olivera's got Pettis' back. Oh, shit. Danger. Danger. Oh, Anthony Pettis. Oh, shit. What's going to happen here? What is going to happen here? He got him on the ground. Interesting, my friend. Not good to have Pettis on Oh, shit. What's going to happen here? What is going to happen here?
Starting point is 01:06:05 He got him on the ground. Interesting, my friend. Not good to have Petis on top of you. Oh, he got up in the horse. Interesting. Oh, no. Slippery, slippery. Too slippery.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Oh, here's a little punch for your troubles. Great triangle defense by Petis right there. Here's a question. How much, Oliveira lands a round kick first. How much of a toll did the weight cut take on Pettis? I mean, he lost a lot of weight to get down to 145. Look at that balance and base. Very nice.
Starting point is 01:06:32 You know, at first, the strikers, they were getting taken down pretty easily, but they have. Oh, hard kick to the body. Oh, shit. Hard kick to the body. Another one. Oh, he's hurt bad. He's hurt. Oh, look at that. Look at that balance and base. Pettis
Starting point is 01:06:47 is professional with the jiu-jitsu right there. Oh, he's lighting him up. You can't play open guard like that. You can't have your guard open. You gotta close that shit. Oh. He's got an arm. Pulls out. Beautiful. Beautiful. Look at that swamp
Starting point is 01:07:03 walking. Look at that base. Oliveira's got heart, dude. Holy shit. Hanging in there. Pettis is all over. Oh, look at that shit. Too greasy. Look at all that shit.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Look at that. Side control. Nice pass. Look at that pass. Nice. Very nice. My crucifix coming. Is Pettis a black belt?
Starting point is 01:07:20 I don't know, man. Because he's looking like a black belt. I want to say he's at least a brown belt. Dude, he's looking like a black belt. Because Oliveira's he's at least a brown belt Dude, he's looking like a black belt cuz all of there is a black belt right? Mm-hmm. Well, damn he's He's looking great. That is submitted some It's nice to see it's it's nice to see what high-level jiu-jitsu guys like Charles Oliver doing in spots like this because you're not hiding Technique here. You're going to your A game. What are you thinking when you're in a position? Look at this. That was a great move.
Starting point is 01:07:48 That's some great shit right there. Well, Pettis tried. He got too aggressive in going for the mounted crucifix. He gave up position. Gave up position. Now in trouble. Oh, the back. Shit. Dude, if he could pull this off. Oh, my God. Wow. What a fight. What a fight.
Starting point is 01:08:04 No, Pettis is almost out. I suspect Pettis got good defense here. Look at that. Oh, god. Wow. What a fight. I suspect Pettis got good defense here. Look at that defense. Oh, and he tags him. He had his back and now he's on his back again. Oh, good up kick. Good up kick. Damn, this is a real fight here. Look at this shit.
Starting point is 01:08:19 He keeps going after it, but there's nothing there. This is two dudes who are they only go forward. They don't know dudes who are... They only go forward. They don't know how to stall. They just go forward after each other. Look at that. He's got him in De La Riva. Yeah, look at this.
Starting point is 01:08:31 He got De La Riva for a second. Oh. Oh, shit. He's constantly throwing things up, man. He's constantly throwing things up. But damn, Pettis keeps cracking him. Yeah, look at that. Oh.
Starting point is 01:08:41 You gotta throw up kicks. Oh, but you gotta look out for that up kick. You gotta throw up kicks. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. If you're Pett for that up kick. You gotta throw up kicks in that position. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. If you're Pettis, don't you let him stand up here? Don't you let him stand up here?
Starting point is 01:08:50 I think a part of you says that there's no way he can knock me out here, so I don't mind staying here. It's the end of the round. Wow. A lot of times people, you think, oh, why doesn't he let him up to fuck him up? And that's usually the best advice. But I assume that they're thinking, okay, if I let him up, I'm beating him up. He still can throw. Maybe he recovers and he throws a big fucking shot and knocks me out. That happens a lot.
Starting point is 01:09:17 So there's no way he can knock me out on his back except for that up kick. Why don't I just stay right here? You know what I mean? I think that's what they're thinking, but I don't know. It could be. It could be also. I mean,
Starting point is 01:09:28 that was a hard fought first round. You let a guy stand up. He's, he's got four limbs where he can knock you out. You keep them on his back. You just got to watch that up kick. And that shit's so low percentage. That's happened three times in history.
Starting point is 01:09:41 Yeah. And he also knows that it's probably the end of the round. It's happened a few times in the UFC. What's the greatest up kick ever? I say Henzo Gracie versus Oleg Tektarov. And then there's Murillo Bustamante on Jerry Bolander. Oh, that's right. Remember that?
Starting point is 01:09:56 Which one was first? Or was that Fabio Giselle on Bolander? No, no, it wasn't Fabio. It was Murillo Bustamante. Look at this. Boom. Pettis with the body kick. Oliveira in deep shit.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Can you find Murillo Bustamante, Jerry Bolander up kick? That would be awesome, Jamie. I don't mean to be like I own the show or anything like that. So if I stepped over my bounds, talk to Joe because he's got my back. I like Oliveira's technique, man. He looks so smooth. Look at that front kick to the body, man. Oliveira looks very smooth on the feet, man.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Very smooth. Good rhythm. Yeti was trying to take him down right away. Yeah, well, I think he wants to just show him that he can beat him both ways. He's taking him down again. Look at this. Spins around, gets the back.
Starting point is 01:10:40 God damn. Oh, Pettis reverse. Pettis is no joke. Reverse. Look at that He's gonna let him stand up Now he's gonna let him up Yeah now he's gonna let him stand up
Starting point is 01:10:48 Too much time left You were probably right He probably got a coaching In the corner They were probably saying You're gonna fuck this guy up With that left kick Here it is
Starting point is 01:10:55 Look at Bolander right there Oh head kick Look at that He went over the top Oh look at that That's it Two
Starting point is 01:11:03 Oh Oliveira with the right hand. Oliveira's got a bad swelling on the left eye. Oh, and he just got tagged there, too. Probably from some of that. Oh, look at that beautiful jab. Pettis is targeting it. He's going to let him up.
Starting point is 01:11:17 I think Oliveira's struggling, man. He can't see very good out of that eye, man. He's really badly swollen up. And when it starts swelling up that quick, you gotta wonder how bad that injury is. See how bad it is, man? He keeps coming forward. Look at that. He's an animal. He's throwing heavy shit, too. He's just going
Starting point is 01:11:33 forward like a goddamn cyborg. Look at that one-two. I like the way Olivera leads with that front kick, too. Look at that, champ. He throws a lot of that left leg front kick. It's nice. Very crisp.
Starting point is 01:11:48 He really fucks with you with it. So many weapons to polish. Oh, shit. Olivera on the right hook. Olivera pressure. God damn, what a fight. What a fight. These guys are fucking beasts.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Oh, right hand by Pettis, right hand by Oliveira. Pettis got some sweet boxing, man. He's like countering beautifully. He's taking a lot of shit, but he's landing a lot of rights. This is amazing. Oh, is that an elbow? Yeah. It seems like people are throwing more and more.
Starting point is 01:12:25 Pat is with that right hand. Oh, look at those elbows. Nice. Oliveira's very clean with his Muay Thai, man. He does a lot of real good technical shit. Is he no biggie? Good right hand. No, he's not.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Oh. Oh, right hand over the top. I don't think. I forget where... Find out where Charles Oliveira trains I don't think it's Novo Uniao though I'm almost positive
Starting point is 01:12:52 it's not oh look at this he's got his back oh shit oh shit oh shit this is this is why you need to be
Starting point is 01:13:00 razor sharp on the back right here this is your opportunity to win you have an opportunity you're just gonna just let it slip through your fingers look at this man look at this no pun intended penises back and he can just control him he's got that body you gotta be really good here you gotta be really good on the back you got the back you should take advantage of it what else do you need you got the back both leg both leg hooks. You got a fucking body triangle.
Starting point is 01:13:26 What else do you need? Is there something else? Okay, well, what should he be doing here, man? He should... Tell the people. I mean, there's a wrist battle. There's a hand fight. And it's sophisticated and complicated.
Starting point is 01:13:38 And you got to win. There's a battle going on. Anthony Pettis is using both his hands to defend his neck. And he's got a good angle at that defense too. So it's really difficult because even though Anthony Pettis has his back taken, the way he would defend
Starting point is 01:13:53 that choke, it's like doing a pull-up like this. Very strong. It becomes very sophisticated. He spun. He broke it through. He's on top now. A lot of grease. A lot of grease. You of grease You gotta keep that That body lock triangle on As much as you can
Starting point is 01:14:08 Oh look at this Too much grease And by grease I mean sweat I don't I don't mean Eddie Bravo accuses people of greasing No no no I meant
Starting point is 01:14:20 Sweat is grease God damn good technique man Look at that Oh nice knee to the body on the break And a right hand by Oliveira Holy shit I meant sweat. God damn, good technique, man. Oh, nice knee to the body on the break. And a right hand by Oliveira. Holy shit. He's training out at Houston.
Starting point is 01:14:32 What's that? He's in Houston. He trains in Houston. I can't find the gym, but just keep saying Houston everywhere. Oh, well, I know he started out at some place in Brazil because they were showing it on television. Pretty sure, right? Didn't they have like a whole... He's from Sao Paulo, but... Yeah, I think they went to his original gym.
Starting point is 01:14:51 Oh, Pettis with the kick to the body! Pettis is another one who has pretty flawless traditional taekwondo style techniques. Right hand. Oh, shit. Oh, look at this. Oliveira gets it. Pettis is taking some big, deep breaths.
Starting point is 01:15:10 It's what it's called? I don't know if that's his gym. I don't know. I think that's not the video that I saw that was in preparation for this fight. So I'm not quite sure. But whatever it is, he's super well-trained. We should find out what his camp is. Just give him a shout-out.
Starting point is 01:15:30 If there was three rules, or two or whatever you can think of, you can make the change right now. Not the scoring system, just rules in the game. What would they be? If you had all the powers, the head commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission came to you and said
Starting point is 01:15:47 Joe, whatever you want let's fix this sport what are the three major things you think we trust you you're so knowledgeable you fucking are amazing man. Well, I'm tired
Starting point is 01:15:55 of getting blown here. Said no guy ever? No guy ever. What would I tell him to do? First of all I don't think it needs to be fixed. I think we could all I think the best way? First of all, I don't think it needs to be fixed. I think we could all, I think the best way.
Starting point is 01:16:07 Rule changes. Yeah, the best way to find out what the best rule changes would be is to talk to all the experts. Talk to all the most respected trainers, the Duke Rufuses and the Farasa Hobbies and the Matt Humes and all those guys. Talk to them and then talk to former fighters that are really smart guys like Brian Stan. Talk to guys like Dominic Cruz.
Starting point is 01:16:34 Talk to guys who are at it right now like John Jones who are in their prime. Talk to everybody. Talk to George St. Pierre and then get sort of an understanding of what everybody would like to see changed or what they think would be changed if they had their way. I think that's probably the best way to do it, to do it as a community. Because I think there's not going to be a total agreement on things, but I think we can come to some reasonable agreements if we all just sat down and explored. What would be the best?
Starting point is 01:17:09 Options for rules for safety. Oh shit throwing up an armbar That was slick yeah, he just snapped on it hmm. Let's see if you could pull it off, but I'm sorry I'm talking about in a fantasy world in a fantasy world. I know you're talking about it's like the most even in a fancy world That's what I would do. I would definitely, if it was up to me, that's what I would do. I would put it up to. And would you be included in that group of people? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so everyone would have to vote on their top three. You put it all together, and then from there you decide.
Starting point is 01:17:40 Yeah. Oh, Pet is on top again. God damn, this is a great fight. I would think, number one, much more comprehensive rule system. Let's find out what rules make sense. What rules are... Like the 12 to 6 elbow, that's gone.
Starting point is 01:17:54 That making that elbow illegal. It's really from the mount only where that comes into play, right? It's totally... It's a legit technique. And then I think you and I had a point and I think it should be discussed. Why can't you elbow someone in the back of the head? When you can kick him in the back of the head.
Starting point is 01:18:09 Yes. When you can, in transitions, guys get kicked like this. Oh, shit. He tapped him. Oh, shit. Anthony Pettis. Oh, my goodness. If he's not a black belt, he's getting it tomorrow morning.
Starting point is 01:18:20 Oh, my goodness. He caught him with a fucking guillotine and tapped him. Legit guillotine. Woo! Anthony Patton has got some finishing power on the ground, man. Wow. That's fantastic. Look at that beautiful display right there. They went over and hugged him.
Starting point is 01:18:35 Olivera kissed him on the cheek. That's beautiful. I don't know why. That's touching to me, for real. It sounds like a bullshit thing to say you know like look at that they made friends how cute but like really it that means a lot man when you see these two guys trained for each other for months at a time talk shit about how the fights gonna go down talk about you know beating
Starting point is 01:19:00 each other's asses and damn all that that? Beautiful. Holy shit. Beautiful transition. Look at this. He's going for the single. He misses it in the transition to the double. Catches the guillotine and gets that leg perfect over the top. That is nasty as fuck. That is locked down. He got under the chin.
Starting point is 01:19:16 He got under the chin with that grip. He's right under the chin right there. Boom. And he can't get it out. He's locked down. And you know what? The fence helped him. Yeah, he couldn't go to the right.
Starting point is 01:19:24 The fence kept it in. The more he swung it. Yeah, and he's pushing get it out. He's locked down. And you know what? The fence helped him. Yeah, he couldn't go to the right. The fence kept it in. The more he squung it. Yeah, and he's pushing against it. The fence is weird, man. I think it helps things, and I think it makes it way easier to take people down. Like, there's a lot of wrestlers.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Like, if the fence didn't exist, good fucking luck. Good luck trying to take them down. But the fence also makes it harder to take people down in another sense where you're leaning against the fence. It's an art to use all your weight into the fence and just to use the fence in your favor when you're working on your takedown defense. Yeah. Well, there truly is a difference between MMA wrestling and wrestling.
Starting point is 01:20:01 There should be a tournament called fence wrestling where you start and you have a guy against the fence and as soon as he could circle out, now you switch and you go back and forth to see who gets the most takedowns off the fence. That would be a great skill. You know how you say Taekwondo is a good skill to have if you're like a wonder boy and you can throw those perfect kind of kicks? If you had
Starting point is 01:20:19 a sport, a separate sport. Fence wrestling. That was just fence wrestling. That is actually a really good idea. For MMA? It would prepare you better for MMA. It's a separate sport. Fence wrestling. That was just fence wrestling. That is actually a really good idea. For MMA? It would prepare you better for MMA. It's a big difference with fence and without fence. Giant difference. Fuck yeah, you couldn't run away either.
Starting point is 01:20:38 Do you think parents would let their kids wrestle in a cage if they had school meets? The parents I know, hell yeah. Just a little animal in a cage. I got parents that they want their kids to fight in the UFC more than the kids do. They're down as fuck. But do you think they would let him bring a cage into high school?
Starting point is 01:20:51 Show him that rubber guard. Show it to him. All that shit. He's doing ballet. He's doing... That's hilarious. He's swimming. That's hilarious.
Starting point is 01:21:01 He's doing water polo for that explosion. Can you imagine if all wrestling meets turned into cage wrestling meets? Look, wrestling attendance is down. I got good news and I got bad news. Good news is we got a solution.
Starting point is 01:21:13 The bad news is it involves your little angels wrestling in a cage. Dude, how about you have, instead of six mats out there like in high school, you have six cages out there. It's just cage wrestling. You'd have to get six fucking cages. Yeah, but you can't have cages run simultaneously. Yes, you can. Just like a regular wrestling tournament or jiu-jitsu tournament. At the Worlds, there's 12 matches going on at the same time.
Starting point is 01:21:36 You just put little cages in each match. I know, but doesn't it seem like... Dude, this is a fantasy world. Jesus Christ. I'm not trying to fund this All we need is $30,000 to get the cages Clothing's optional Who's gonna bring the cages
Starting point is 01:21:51 Oil's optional Are you guys gonna oil it or are you guys gonna go dry today You have Turkish oil wrestling You know they have that shit They oil each other up Dude they reach into each other's pants and grab their ball bag One of our greatest photoshops ever Of all time
Starting point is 01:22:07 Back when photoshop was first invented They took one of them Turkish oil wrestling Where they're like They look like they're in leather pants Topless Leather pants It looks like a Chippendales outfit But it's actually serious sports going on
Starting point is 01:22:21 Where they're wrestling And they're completely covered in oil And you can reach part of the sport is reaching inside the man's pants to grip around his balls that is part of the game that is part of the game i want to know there it is i want to know uh where are the schools for this i'm like what is it what do the schools look like how do you train for this? Dude, they oil each other up.
Starting point is 01:22:46 They wear really tight leather pants like they're in Judas Priest. And you can get inside. And then they grab each other's dicks and ball bags and they wrestle each other to the ground. Do they really grab the balls? I mean, how do you stop? They grab them like handles. It's totally legal to grab balls? I don't think there's any rules at all.
Starting point is 01:23:00 I just think you can't. Look at this. He's got his hand in his fucking pants, bro. Can you imagine the coaching? Grab his dick. That is so insane. Squeeze his balls. These guys are all standing around.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Dude's in the stands. Squeeze his nuts. You know, there's at least one guy watching that going, please don't get hard. Please don't get hard. Please don't get hard. Not yet. Yeah, if you get hard, it's bad for your game. You can blame that on Hardy.
Starting point is 01:23:22 He's like, yeah, it was cool. I was all over him. I was up six points, and then I got a hard on. And I was trying to think of Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day. It didn't work, and he won. You know what? I'm not going to make any excuses. My dick got hard.
Starting point is 01:23:33 Whatever. I should have jerked off. I fucked up. I knew I fucked up. Why can't that be in the Olympics when water polo can? I want to see this in the Olympics. How come they can play beach volleyball with chicks
Starting point is 01:23:47 literally in thongs? In super slow-mo like the championship was decided. He was winning it until that dude slipped his hand or his pants in slow motion. They got super slow motion and you can tell right here where he grabs his dick. You can tell by his hips. If you see the quiver on the hips, that's
Starting point is 01:24:04 an indication of full shaft low. When you grab the shaft, you want to go below the helmet line. As long as you're below the helmet line and you got, it all depends on the grip. Some guys like the monkey grip, the shaft right there at the base. It all depends on the size of his penis,
Starting point is 01:24:18 but you want a monkey grip, you got all these grips. Oh my God. Can you imagine the interview? I had two weeks of training. It was last minute. My dick was not in good shape. I hadn't jerked off in two weeks.
Starting point is 01:24:37 Well, you have to do things to your dick to toughen it up. You have to hang weights off your dick. Totally, totally. This time I had a full camp to prepare. Been jerking off three times a day, so this time it's going to be a little different. And I'm going to come with my A-game. My dick is... A-game.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Come with his A-game. Dick's strong. Talk about fucking checking the oil. You know what I mean? You know they could... That's illegal. You could grab the dick and the balls, but you can't check the oil. You can't stick your thumb in their ass. What if that's illegal? You could grab the dick and the balls, but you can't check. You can't stick your thumb in their ass. What are the rules on checking the oil?
Starting point is 01:25:09 Because guys have gotten in trouble for that. Didn't guys get arrested for assault for checking some kid's oil? Didn't two dudes wrestling and one kid check the kid's oil and he got arrested for assault? I'm pretty sure that really happened. I think you need to explain what checking the oil means. Yes, I do. Checking your oil means when you are grappling with a gentleman and you are behind him, you shove your fingers inside his bum hole.
Starting point is 01:25:38 In wrestling? Yeah. We're not sure if that's legal or not, but they do it. They do it all the time. This is a really radical one. Oh, that's a great one. It's a woman and she's like going full Tarzan on this girl's asshole. And she's not even flinching.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Look at that. She's like, bitch, this is nothing. She likes it. I think the woman on top is definitely doing something questionable. Who am I to judge? Is that legal, though, in Turkish oil? I want to know the rules of Turkish oil. Can someone tweet?
Starting point is 01:26:08 The rules change depends on who kills the king. Someone tweet me, please, if you could find the rules to Turkish oil Chippendales wrestling. I'm curious. Yeah, right? What a great sport. So how come they can't have that in the Olympics, but they can have that women's volleyball bullshit? It's sexism.
Starting point is 01:26:30 It's sexism. Totally. Sexism. All we need, this is what we need, we need one flamboyantly gay star who wants to compete, and they won't let him in, and it becomes like a global worldwide cause where people, you know, they demand diversity and
Starting point is 01:26:48 What if it's cheap quality and Turkish lawyer what if it's cheating to be gay so they got a lie They're saying they're straight. They got big boy friends or fake girlfriends It's been proven that when you wrestle a gay man, and he starts to win your testosterone drop significantly Yes, it's been proven in science. That's common sense. In the labs. So it's almost like cheating because it's like anti-steroids because when you're getting whooped on by a gay dude, you start getting so meek.
Starting point is 01:27:12 It's like nature's preparing you to be his bitch. Yeah. Is that true? And there's no way a gay guy could even be... You're looking at me like it's a real question. What is this, Jamie? Are these the rules? Check out number three
Starting point is 01:27:26 These are alternatives Can you read that Joe for the audience? This is very bizarre It says the crush A fighter may maneuver his opponent Onto his stomach Jamie can you make that bigger? And then trap himself
Starting point is 01:27:44 Why is it all so blurry? It's not that blurry. Oh, you got your glasses on. I don't even have my glasses on and I can read that. I'm shocked myself. He can keep him down. What are the rules against it? Submission occasionally in the match under a hot summer sun so long and arduous
Starting point is 01:28:00 that one fighter will simply signal his submission to the referee, and it's a pin. Since the wrestler is not restricted from placing his hands inside his opponent's kiss bit, he may not grab his balls or invade his rectum. However. However. He may not grab his balls or invade his rectum, however. He can also use the waistband of the other man To hold the other man in place Okay, so you can't grab their balls in their dick
Starting point is 01:28:29 You didn't see that last part there If you lose your trunks, you lose the match Oh, if a guy takes your pants off Dude, can you imagine It's even worse that you're not allowed to grab the balls Oh, come on, is that true? It's even worse because the cheaters Dude, the cheaters in the sport are always going
Starting point is 01:28:47 to be the guys. And how are you going to prove it? There must be a guy in the sport who's like the worst cheater ever. There's got to be. Listen to the actual rule. Occasionally, the kisbit is yanked so far. What's the kisbit? What is that?
Starting point is 01:29:00 The thing that he wears, those leather greased up pants. Okay, okay. Is dropped so far below his hips that the fighter being held cannot rise without exposing himself. Having lost his trunks, he also loses the match. Oh, you could pull down the trunks. You lose the match. Maybe this is like... You're all healed up. You can reach inside, but you can't touch the asshole or the dick. And I'm sure
Starting point is 01:29:25 no one breaks that rule ever ever ever ever ever ever it's better that there's a rule there's better because they're fully in there but they're not allowed to
Starting point is 01:29:35 and then the guy pulls your pants off he wins can you imagine the discussions the podcast there must be podcasts about this sport
Starting point is 01:29:42 like dudes that are seriously into it and they're talking about like you know we're talking about like no that are seriously into it. And they're talking about like, you know, we're talking about like no need to down the opponent and all that. They're talking about the elephant in the room is the fact that everyone's sticking fingers in everyone's asshole and everyone's grabbing balls, but no one's complaining because everyone just does it. And so there's no complaints.
Starting point is 01:29:59 Oh my God. Like in football, like the defensive cornerback, when there's a receiver going out, you're not supposed to hit him outside of five yards. But they're hitting him all the time and running into him. And when they throw passes, they're all over him. So they're like, and they call it sometimes, and sometimes they don't. And there's a big controversy. You know, there's pass interference, but no one's calling it. It's a weird thing.
Starting point is 01:30:23 They call it every now and then. Right. When it's really obvious. So there must be like tips of fingers going into the rectum, but they don't call that. They never call the tips. It's got to be full knuckle deep to call it. And that's a problem. There's a line you have to cross.
Starting point is 01:30:38 Yeah, tips. Like a finger line. Everybody puts the tip in. Yeah, tip is fine, dude. Dude, there's got to be world championships i want to see like a super fight like the baddest dudes and do like a countdown show on these guys and how they train i want to see that i would watch that shit well don't there's one thing you have to think about when you do like yeah it's a little weird that they grab each other
Starting point is 01:31:01 in the pants and it's a little weird they're covered in oil. But you must have to be really fucking good at wrestling to control a dude who's greased up. We need to get the best motherfucker in that sport and bring him over to the UFC and see what's up. How good do you think they are? I mean, are there any real, legit oil wrestler athletes who people are like, this guy is the bad motherfucker of oil wrestling? How about...
Starting point is 01:31:24 He is like, who's that guy? Who's that soccer guy? The Messi. He's the Ronaldo. Who's the Michael Phelps? What is his name? Leoni? What is it? Leo. Just Leo Messi. That Leo Messi guy who's the baddest motherfucker in soccer. If there's one of those
Starting point is 01:31:40 dudes for oil wrestling, he's just raining down grips. There's gotta be. Who is the Hicks and Gracie of Turkish oil wrestling, it's just raining down. There's got to be. Who is the Hicks and Gracie of Turkish oil wrestling? Well, Turkish people are tough people. It's a tough part of the world. So you got to think, it's a long heritage of having fighting men from Turkey.
Starting point is 01:32:04 They're known for being rugged people. So people so you gotta think if they know how to like like that style of wrestling that they they do i wonder if it's just one of those things where it's just you invented something a long fucking time ago and it never sort of like caught up i want to know who the ronda rousey of hot oil turk is. I'd watch that right now. I'd pay $49.99 pay-per-view for that shit. Female Turkish hot oil wrestling? That would be insane. There's gotta be a little there's gotta be girls doing it.
Starting point is 01:32:34 There's a market. They're probably ugly as fuck. They don't have to be. They'd probably be like beast. No, no, no. They don't have to be, man. You just need the right promoter. Can you imagine a chick just picking. I think the object of the game is to get that hip lock in, like get some kind of ball and socket in between their legs right next to their nuts and lift them up.
Starting point is 01:32:54 And I think if you lift them up, you won. For sure. Yeah, for sure. There's got to be a Joanna Hadjaja chick of that sport. You can't take a dude's pants off if he's beating your ass. Right? So if a guy takes your pants off, he's kind of got you. Do you think you could flip him?
Starting point is 01:33:14 Maybe it's like an ant, in case there's a war against the gays. Like whoever gets their pants taken down first. I don't know. I'm just speculating. Well, it could be. Hey, you know what? Whoever wins, whoever is the baddest motherfucker at that sport, they have no fear of getting gang raped by vicious gay dudes. Especially because you never get that oil off your skin.
Starting point is 01:33:46 Can you imagine a street gang of gay jujitsu black belts? Can you imagine that? And they teach jujitsu to have sex with men. Okay, what would be scarier? That or... That would be the scariest. I would way rather go to South Central than West Hollywood. Would it be a gang of greased up Melvin Manhoofs?
Starting point is 01:34:09 Greased up. With good takedown defense. Completely greased up. In West Hollywood? Wherever he wants to go. He'll go wherever the fuck he wants. One dude or a bunch of dudes? Seven of them.
Starting point is 01:34:18 They look just like Melvin Manhoof. And they're looking for dudes to penetrate. They're Melvin Manhoof clones. Okay. Yeah, that's way scarier than Mexican gangbangers. I'll make a beeline for East LA anytime. Let's go to East LA. Fuck that.
Starting point is 01:34:31 Yeah. Greasy wrestling is one thing, but a greasy Melvin Manhoof throwing bombs on you? Yes. And he wants your juicy, precious little rectum. Oh, my God. That's their goal. They got big patches of rectums on their denim jackets. And you can't keep them off you.
Starting point is 01:34:48 He was one of those guys where I met him at the UFC as a kickboxing fan. I was giddy, man. I'd come up to him and shake his hand. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. Isn't it weird that he never got into the UFC? That's strange. Well, he got into Strikeforce
Starting point is 01:35:04 and Robbie Lawler had that ridiculously insane KO of him. Remember that? Speaking of Robbie Lawler. There he is in the Condit fight. But Melvin Manhoef's highlight reel is ridiculous. His kickboxing and MMA highlight reel. The hardest one to watch for me was Sakuraba. Remember that one?
Starting point is 01:35:23 What happened? He beat the shit out of Sakuraba. It was Sakuraba. Remember that one? What happened? He beat the shit out of Sakuraba. It was Sakuraba late in his career. And Sakuraba lost? Oh, it was a horrible loss. Pride? It was soccer kicks. Nice. Soccer kicks and hammer fists. Hey, didn't they take soccer kicks out of 1FC?
Starting point is 01:35:38 Didn't you hear about that? Did they? When was this? They changed it. They took it out. When did they do this? Unless it's some hoax, but I think I read that, that 1FC, that's the thing that separated them from the UFC. At least in 1FC, it was kind of pride-ish. But they had that weird rule where they had to call it.
Starting point is 01:35:54 I feel like Tate had this point first, and I've never heard anybody accurately refute it, that the problem with stomps and soccer kicks in a ring, or in a cage rather, is that you can't get out away from them like you do in a ring. Like the cage becomes a problem.
Starting point is 01:36:12 Like you get trapped. You can get caught in a couple spots in the ring, but you should be able to move your head out of the way enough to compensate for wherever the ring posts are. Yeah. But the idea of getting stuck in the cage where you can't move and then getting kneed to the head where the environment becomes too big of a factor.
Starting point is 01:36:30 I thought about what he said and I said that makes a lot of sense. A skull could crush, could be just squashed. Think about what Michael Page did to Cyborg and think of someone doing that to someone's face in the UFC. Pinned against the face. See someone's face caved in. What if they cheat? What if someone che face in the UFC? Pinned against the fence. Yeah, see someone's face caved in.
Starting point is 01:36:45 And what if they cheat? What if someone cheats in the heat of the battle? Maybe they don't even realize they did it, but they grab that fence, and it helps them drive that knee down. That's happened before. If you got a guy who's almost unconscious, and he's on his way out,
Starting point is 01:36:58 and you grab the fence, and you smash your knee down with all your body, you get your hips up in the air, like George St. Pierre when he fought your hips up in the air like george saint pierre when he fought matt sarah in the rematch in montreal remember that those knees to the body from side control just go deep with those knees boom but if a guy does that to a guy on the ground and he's actually holding the fence that's that's a terrible place to be that's a terror there's like nowhere to. It's like everything's just getting absorbed. It's the worst
Starting point is 01:37:26 way ever to get hit. It's almost like an argument for not having a cage. I've said this before, and people think I'm an idiot, and they're probably right some of the time, but I think that MMA should be in like a basketball sized place. Like, you know, you have a basketball court, and you're watching the game.
Starting point is 01:37:42 I really think MMA should be a flat, padded area with no fence. And they should go at it in a large area. So there's plenty of room to move around. There's no excuse to go into the crowd. I like that. That's how they should do it. So takedowns, defense, submissions,
Starting point is 01:37:58 there's no getting off the fence and pushing off of it and flipping over and getting out of positions. Everything will take place on a flat, neutral ground. And I think you're going to find a lot of fucking people are going to have a real hard time with wrestlers. Real hard time with wrestlers. Like real elite wrestlers when they keep driving forward and you can only go back so much.
Starting point is 01:38:19 You know, there's no cage anymore. You can't push off the cage. How about this? Again, this is all fantasy how about somebody maybe you maybe someone else with uh um that could financially put to put it together but go to some goddamn indian reservation when you could do anything you want put together a show put together a show one show it doesn't have to be elite fighters you don't put that much put together a show uh you got to show them how it's done because one thing i learned
Starting point is 01:38:45 with ebi is when i was presenting the overtime uh rules and all that to everybody nobody even thought it was cool for a second i i talked let me explain ebi for people to know we're talking about ebi is eddie bravo invitationals eddie bravo's probably got the greatest jiu-jitsu tournament in the world as far as professional jiu-jitsu because of these rules that you implemented. September 11th is our next show. Holla! Gordon Ryan, September 11th on UFC Fight Pass, or you can see it live at the Orpheum.
Starting point is 01:39:15 Get your tickets at ebiofficial.com. Dude, Donahue just sent me a text that Keenan Cornelius and Ryan Gordon went 90 minutes, and Ryan Gordon submitted him with a heel off. Yep. He's been doing jiu-jitsu like four and a half years. Gordon Ryan, yes. That's insane. I don't know about four and a half.
Starting point is 01:39:31 I think it's about five. Something ridiculous. Let's say it's six. Yeah, Gordon Ryan. It's crazy. Gordon Ryan, he won the EBL Absolute. He could be the best jiu-jitsu fighter pound for pound in the world right now. That's insane.
Starting point is 01:39:44 He won the absolute. He beat Yuri Samoz. He beat Rustam Chiziev, who's a fucking Russian assassin. That guy's a gorilla. He's like literally a gorilla. EBI Hicks was crazy. Yes. And the finals, the kid who's been training five years, the whiz kid, Gordon Ryan versus
Starting point is 01:40:03 the Russian bear. Russian bear taking out everybody on one side. Gordon Ryan, the kid, kid, Gordon Ryan, versus the Russian bear, Russian bear taking out everybody on one side, Gordon Ryan, the kid taking out everybody on this side, and then they met in the finals in EBI 6. Well, the next show, EBI 7, Gordon Ryan, we're doing the 185. That was absolute. This is the middleweight. Gordon Ryan, that's his true weight, 185.
Starting point is 01:40:20 But anyways, enough with that show. The rules, though, when I presented the overtime rules, I have special overtime rules that are based on submission and not based on takedowns. It's all about the submission at EBI. But when I first presented that to different promoters, nobody wanted to hear it. They didn't even entertain it.
Starting point is 01:40:40 They thought it was too crazy. But now that we put together seven shows, now those same people are going, oh, shit, it's legit. So everyone jumped on board and people agreed. It's the best way. It's the best way to do tournaments. It really is because it forces action. You can't stall.
Starting point is 01:40:55 You're starting out in a bad position at the end. When you go into the overtime, the fight's about to start, and I don't want to interrupt this fight. Let's do it. Let's watch the fight. We'll talk about E I don't want to interrupt this fight. Let's do it. Let's watch the fight. We'll talk about EBI afterwards. We'll hold, please. Carlos Condon, Damian Maia. What do you think about this fight?
Starting point is 01:41:11 Shit, I have no fucking idea. For me, it's all about whether Damian Maia, I mean, this is duh, but it's all about whether or not Damian Maia can get a hold of him. If Damian Maia can get a hold of him, he's so big at 170, dude. He's so strong, and his jujitsu is so good. His jujitsu is so pretty. When he choked out Neil Magny, I remember watching his transition. I'm like, this guy is a fucking master.
Starting point is 01:41:39 He's a master. The way he's getting the back. Remember when he choked out Rick Story? He just clings to him like glue, drags him in the deep water, and sinks their boat like that. He keeps getting better with his jiu-jitsu. Did you see what Donaher wrote about him this week? Yeah. All accurate.
Starting point is 01:41:57 Brilliant. Damon Meyer probably has, in the UFC, he's probably the best jiu-jitsu player. He has the best MMA jiu-jitsu. Totally different. MMA jiu-jitsu and no-gi jiu-jitsu is just as different as no-gi jiu-jitsu and gi jiu-jitsu. It's just as different. It's so different. When someone is trying to punch you and elbow you and everything's all greasy and slippery and slidey. It's so different.
Starting point is 01:42:25 If you think that's the same as training in a gi, you're just, man, you're, I don't know what to say. Maybe you're just misinformed, but it's so different. Damon Maia has made that transition. Right away, he was really good at MMA, jiu-jitsu. Right away, he was doing some half guard stuff in the UFC that was very, very effective. This was back in the day, years and years ago. But even as good as he was, he was one of the top guys to make the transition initially. Even as good as he was, he continued to evolve.
Starting point is 01:42:59 And his jiu-jitsu now is better than ever on the ground. But that being said, Carlos Condon is very good on the ground. Even if Damian Maia does take him down, he might not be able to pass Carlos Condon's guard. He might not be able to pass it. We're not sure. Well, I think the big danger is in the stand-up because Carlos throws some nasty elbows. And you've got to think he stopped Tiago Alves recently. Looked real good in that fight.
Starting point is 01:43:21 Stopped him with that stepping in elbow. He's nasty, dude. Very dangerous striker. So Damian Maia's got to in that fight. Stopped him with that stepping in elbow. He's nasty, dude. Very dangerous striker. So Damian Maia's got to close that distance. I think Damian Maia at 170 is a different beast. He's so goddamn big. And his striking has got himself to a point
Starting point is 01:43:36 where he's not trying to be a striker but he's good enough at striking that his distance is good. See right there? Yeah. His comfort level and his distance are very high. So because of that, and he's not taking any big chances, he's really just kind of like,
Starting point is 01:43:48 yeah, that's what he's doing right there, closing that distance like a fucking cat. Look at that takedown. And dragging Condit to the ground. Let's see what he does here, though.
Starting point is 01:43:56 And he's been able to do this to everybody he fights. Matt Brown, who's a beast on the ground. He did it to him. He crushed Neil Magny this way. He's a totally different animal when it comes to his level of pressure
Starting point is 01:44:07 in Jiu Jitsu. He's on another planet. I mean, he is really better at 38 than he's ever been before. Including with his submissions and his transitions. And his striking. Like you said. Everything. Not just his distance but he could get in there and take some
Starting point is 01:44:23 fire, take some shots and it's no big deal. Look at that pass. Beautiful. But he's not trying to. So far, so good. Now he's in top half. That's a 50-yard pass right there. He got into top half.
Starting point is 01:44:34 He's not totally passed, but look at this passing. Now he's a three-quarter amount. Now he's got the back. Perfect position. Perfect position there to get the back. God, he's got the back. Perfect position. Perfect position there to get the back. God, he's so good. The understanding of top half right there, that position, as opposed to just regular half guard, man,
Starting point is 01:44:52 when you really understand how important mastering that position is, that's why he's where he's at right now. Just have top half. He's going for it right here, man. It's over. He's going for it right here. Yeah, it's done. He's got him.
Starting point is 01:45:02 He's done. He's done. He's going to choke him out right over his face, man. It's over. He's going to sleep. He's already out. He went to sleep. He's out. He's out. He's out. He's over. It's over here, man. It's over. He's going for it right here. Yeah, it's done. He's got him. Condit's done. He's done. He's going to choke him out right over his face, man. It's over. He's going to sleep. He's already out. He went to sleep. He's out.
Starting point is 01:45:08 He's out. He's out. He's out. Wow. Damn. Wow. Holy shit. Goddamn.
Starting point is 01:45:16 Carlos Condit. Holy shit. He went right through him like Marcelo Garcia would have. Dude, Damian Maia is something special. He's something special. He's something special. God damn. He's something special. Holy shit.
Starting point is 01:45:29 That jiu-jitsu is on a completely different level. That's some Hickson Gracie shit right there. Yeah. That's what we always wanted to see from Hickson. You know what I'm saying? Finally, after all these years, he's so adjusted. He made the transition 100% from the gi to MMA jiu-jitsu. His MMA, he understands that the key was how he took it bit by bit.
Starting point is 01:45:51 Look, bit by bit, he takes him down and he's in his guard. He's in his guard right here. He's in his regular guard right here. There's no top half yet. But all he was fighting for here was top half. They're not showing it here. All that in-between shit that made this possible. So just from-
Starting point is 01:46:09 Look how he's cinching it up there. He kind of keeps tightening it up. And once he knows he's got that squeeze. And he's developed that world-class Marcelo squeeze right there. That takes time to develop. Look at this. He's like barely there while he's tapping. But the way he got his back was all based on his knowledge of that top half position. It was all based on that because he didn't try to pass all at once.
Starting point is 01:46:34 He passed halfway. His leg was still stuck. And then he never passed totally. He never passed the fucking guard. Right. He went from top half and he realized that if you got a good top half position, you could turn, well, you're facing the legs. You make him think you're going to mount him, and the guy gives up his back. That's what he did, right?
Starting point is 01:46:53 Well, yes. Well, exactly. But he never passed his guard in the sense where he was in regular half guard with a little shield, and then he fought for that inside position top half. And then from top half, as long as half and then from top half as long as that leg that's caught as long as the knee is free you don't even have to pass the guard you drive it down now you're in the three quarter mount and once you're in
Starting point is 01:47:14 three quarter mount in MMA it wouldn't happen as easily in grappling without punches but when he's in three quarter mount as soon as you start punching he turns to his back. You never pass the guard. You never got inside control.
Starting point is 01:47:32 You went from top half to three-quarter mount to the back. That's what the punches do. So that path right there becomes so important MMA for jujitsu guys. That is so huge to understand that. Yeah. Let me ask you this, because we've talked about this before. If they did make the back of the head legal, like they used to in the old days, like when Henzo Gracie fought that guy Ben Strikers, remember that? Yes.
Starting point is 01:47:53 He fought that judo guy, took his back, and just blasted him with elbows to the back of the head. Those early battle cage shows where John Lewis would get a guy's back. He would just put his leg hooks in. The guy would be in a turtle position. He'd get his leg hooks. And rear naked chokes, I remember saying, telling people before they banned those strikes to the back of the head. I remember saying, rear naked chokes are so not important. What's important is getting the back control, putting your leg hooks in, getting good at riding and not get slipping off and just throwing fucking elbows.
Starting point is 01:48:24 Rear naked choke is like if you want to be nice to the guy. You don't even need it. It's totally optional. The game is getting a guy's back and battering him with elbows in the back of the head. That's how fights were ending instantly. Instantly. If those
Starting point is 01:48:39 back of the elbow strikes were legal today, man, UFCs would be a lot shorter. They would be bringing in them prelims. They would have fucking 17 prelims. You know what I'm saying? Because if you factor in all the times someone had someone's back
Starting point is 01:48:53 and the fight didn't end because they weren't allowed to strike, man, there'd be short-ass fights everywhere. It's true because I guess medically it's really dangerous. I guess. Right? really dangerous. I guess. Isn't that kick to the back of the head the same thing? No one's jumping up and down for that. But also, how much more dangerous
Starting point is 01:49:11 is it than getting your eye socket blown in like you saw in that Barbosa fight or that Pettis fight with Charles Oliveira? God damn. Damn, Myers. What I was saying before is that this is what we always wanted from Hickson Yeah, we wanted a guy who could do like the kind of jiu-jitsu that we knew existed out there in the world
Starting point is 01:49:32 We wanted to see it in MMA. Whereas the MMA jiu-jitsu you'd see like great flashes Occasionally you get a guy like a chakra ray or someone who's like real high levels fighting in MMA But the the highest level expression of it is this guy right fighting in MMA, but the highest level expression of it is this guy right now. In MMA, I mean, who the fuck's got tighter, better, more world-class jiu-jitsu in MMA right now than Damian Maia? It's hard to argue.
Starting point is 01:49:55 Jacare is right up there with you. He's right up there. Jacare could do that. Yeah, so could Hodger. I mean, isn't Jacare 170 or is it 185? He's 185. Okay, so that's a little different. It's a different weight class.
Starting point is 01:50:05 Yeah. But you know, that level is just so, it's so intense and so extreme. It was a long road for Damien Maia because in the beginning he, uh, he knew he came from a solid jujitsu background, world champion. I think he was an Abu Dhabi. He was a elite, uh, jujitsu player who into MMA, and right away, like most jiu-jitsu guys and most wrestlers that get into MMA, they're thinking, fuck, the worst nightmare is getting taken out in a stretcher, like a head kick.
Starting point is 01:50:34 That's the worst nightmare. So let me take care of my striking. They get involved in their striking, and Damian Maia, he got his footwork together fairly soon, and he was up there when he was fighting with Anderson Silva, but he obviously wasn't complete as a striker but you can tell he made a lot of improvements but he was still
Starting point is 01:50:49 had a lot of work to do now what is it seven years later he stuck with it he didn't quit he stuck with it a lot of guys you know and I'm not you know knocking them I understand a lot of guys a lot of jiu jitsu guys they peep into MMA they fuck with it for a year or two, three.
Starting point is 01:51:06 And then like, there's way too much. I gotta walk through too much fire to get where Damien Maia is. So a lot of top jiu-jitsu guys will dip in and they'll go, you know what? What do I need to do all this shit for? I'm already known as a jiu-jitsu guy. I'm just gonna teach jiu-jitsu. Fuck this MMA shit.
Starting point is 01:51:22 What Damien Maia did is what only a handful of these world-class jiu-jitsu. Fuck this MMA shit. What Damian Maia did is what only a handful of these world-class jujitsu players are doing. They're just fucking walking through the fire. They keep going. They keep going. They just fucking don't quit. And eventually they become legit strikers. They got eight years of striking, ten years of striking under their belt.
Starting point is 01:51:39 You're a legit striker now. You're not just a BJJ world champion. Very few stick it out. Damian Maia stuck it out. And now, man, he's got to the point now. You're not just a BJJ world champion. Very few stick it out. Damien Maia stuck it out. And now, man, he's got to the point now. It's almost like based on his model, it's almost like you take a world-class jujitsu player and he wants to do MMA and he asks you, what do you think? You'd say, dude, if you could hang in there for eight solid years, no matter how many times you lose, you just keep going forward. Know that you're going to get shut off a couple of times. Try to eliminate that as much as possible and just keep going no. Know that you're going to get shut off a couple times. Try to eliminate that as much as possible
Starting point is 01:52:05 and just keep going no matter what happens. Just get to the eight-year mark and as long as you spent those last eight years always remaining a student, always learning, training your motherfucking ass off in all aspects of the fighting game, remaining open-minded, constantly adding weapons,
Starting point is 01:52:22 right down to the weapon. No matter what happens, win or lose, as long as you're in the mix at around the 8, 9, 10-year mark, you're going to be in that Damien Meyer realm right there. He figured it out. He kept going, and now we're talking about Damien Meyer. He's one of the scariest guys out there. We weren't doing that as much four or five years ago.
Starting point is 01:52:41 He stuck it out. He wasn't worried about the wins and losses. He just kept his head down, kept grinding, boom, and look what happened. He also completely devoted himself to fighting jiu-jitsu. He didn't try to be a kickboxer anymore. He was just trying to enforce his jiu-jitsu on guys. He did have that phase where he was trying to. Just learning it, yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:00 But if you look at it as a learning, that was a perfect thing for him to do. Maybe in 200 years we're going to look back and based on all these guys like Damian Meyer, we're going to go, okay, we need three or four fights where you just stand no matter what. You're just standing. You have to know that you can stand in there if you have to. We got to go through that. You can't be trying to take a guy down every goddamn fight. You got to walk through the fire, win or lose, you're going to get caught.
Starting point is 01:53:26 Hopefully you don't get caught. Hopefully you end up being one of those guys that crushes people. We're like, oh shit, stay still. But you got to walk through that. There's win or lose. You got to walk through that. You got to stand with everybody. You can't be afraid.
Starting point is 01:53:37 You got to have, I think that's what George Gershel was going through. Because George Gershel was one of those guys who's a jujitsu black belt. He comes in and he fucking doesn't want to go to the ground. And he's out there in the cage fucking throwing down in these epic wars. He won some. He lost some. But you know what? One thing about George Giselle is he's fucking furious.
Starting point is 01:53:57 He didn't give a shit. He had a black belt in jiu-jitsu and was willing to stand with anybody. Some people think that wasn't the best decision. He had good kickboxing too, though. Regardless. He wasn't standing because he wasn't good at it. George Rizzo is one of those guys. I think if he would have just kept going, at this point, can you imagine if he would have just kept going?
Starting point is 01:54:15 George Rizzo could have been like Damien Maia. He could have been just like that. But you got to have the vision to see that shit because a lot of guys it's way too much god damn work brain damage I got a kick box fuck kick box I'm gonna get knocked I got shot maybe there's been Brazilian Jiu Jitsu world champions
Starting point is 01:54:34 that have tried to do MMA and do their first five fights are like three shut offs and they're just getting crushed I don't want to name any names that's a good reason to say you know what let me stick with Jiu Jitsu you know what I mean all-time greats yeah you know there's some all-time greats who got into from jujitsu got into mma only had one or two fights and was like they were like fuck this yeah and and you know what i don't blame them you know what i mean
Starting point is 01:54:57 they're really good look at me i never fucking did mma i'm like but it's like what we were talking about when it came to um we were talking about women's volleyball like it's weird what sports become like well it's weird what sports become a like a sport where you can make money and which ones don't you know like it would be wonderful if submission grappling by itself you know became a sport where there was a real obvious transition between like amateur level to like being a professional, you know, or even wrestling, wrestling. How is it that golf is like this super giganto sports, the media, I understand people enjoy it. I don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 01:55:42 I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a dissing golf. I know people enjoy it. Don't get me wrong. He who controls the media. I'm not dissing golf. I know people love that shit. But how is that a professional sport but not wrestling, like actual wrestling? Can you watch how difficult it is for actual wrestling? Sorry, didn't make it. Didn't make it. What about basketball? Basketball made it.
Starting point is 01:56:01 Basketball guys have mansions and they live in, but we're both in the Olympics. Yeah, but nobody wants to see you. You're only here because we're nice to you. I bet if someone got behind- It's crazy, right? I bet if someone got behind female wrestling, I bet it'd be fucking huge. Well, they tried it for a while. They had an actual wrestling event with wrestling rules.
Starting point is 01:56:19 You remember that? It was a professional, I think they called it real pro wrestling or something like that. Yes, yes. But it was actual, goddammit it see if you can find out it was fairly recently like within the last decade or so the problem with with wrestling i see crossing over to the mainstream is the glaring problems in wrestling when transitioning to mma in wrestling it's totally okay to give your back. It's like you give your back to win fights and to prevent losses, you give your back.
Starting point is 01:56:49 So when you see that, and you see two guys wrestling, and a guy's flat on his back, or flat on his face, and then a guy's on his back, we know, we've seen too many UFCs to, we just know that is not right. But I think if they made like a hybrid of wrestling and judo you could
Starting point is 01:57:07 call it no gi judo because um although wrestling is closer to mma because it's no gi you know and there's no grabbing clothes and shit that's closer but you aren't given the back so that's fucked up in judo yes it's further away from mma in the sense that there's a gi and they're playing tug-of-war with the collars and the sleeves and all that. But when they get a takedown in judo, they're allowed like 30 seconds on the ground to go for submissions. So some guys get really good at arm bars. You don't have to. It's like extra. If you do judo and you never work on arm bars, you're fine.
Starting point is 01:57:41 The most important thing is that front line. What's going to happen in that front line? In judo, submissions are like gravy you could be good at some guys or get really good at armors like shinya yoki for instance in judo and when he wrestled uh nationally in japan he was known as not as a takedown guy all those takedowns are really good obviously he's a black belt judo but he was known for flying arm bars in judo totally unnecessary what is the rule on judo like how how quickly do you have to go to a submission once you're scrambling on the ground? I don't know specifically or technically. All I know is they give you time for submissions and they allow submissions.
Starting point is 01:58:15 And in wrestling, they don't. But if you combined, for the sake of MMA, for the sake of creating the ultimate takedown system geared directly for MMA, I think you would have to go with a no-gi judo style. It's part wrestling, part judo. You take the rules of judo. Combine them all with oil and those pants, and then we got the sport. And you allow grabbing of the shaft
Starting point is 01:58:36 because that's more realistic. What the fuck is this, Jamie? What are you showing us? What are you showing us? If I threw it around Fox, they'd probably switch it over to him. Oh. I thought this was an animal video you just put up.
Starting point is 01:58:48 We just saw... What is this, like a ferret or something? Running around on this lawn. It picked up an egg. I'm going to take a quick piss. Yeah, go ahead. I was like, what is Jamie showing me? Is this like breaking news?
Starting point is 01:58:59 This is a Zika virus ridden ferret. I was thinking when you're talking about the high-paid athletes, they haven't always been high-paid, though. It wasn't like maybe 70s, 80s. That's a good question. I mean, it's a good point. The last 30 years, there's been big revenue sharing. I don't know when sports became huge, though.
Starting point is 01:59:15 I know the Yankees were huge back in the dizzay, the old-time days. TV money, I think, is where a lot of it came from. Right. When did football become the biggest thing in the world? Was it in the 50s? When did it really bloom? It started in the 50s. It's not amazing.
Starting point is 01:59:30 It was like 50 years ago. That's amazing that the Super Bowl is only that. I mean, would you say 50 years? Yeah, I think it's like 51 or 52. That's incredible. It's like 55. They're not that deep into it. That's really incredible when you think about it
Starting point is 01:59:45 because it seems like inexorable. It seems like you couldn't pull that out of America. Like if you tried to pull football out of America, people would be like, you ain't even American. It's only been around for like a fraction of America. People think baseball is dying, but it's making just as much money as it ever has. But the problem with football is now we know it fucks your head up.
Starting point is 02:00:05 And I'm sure the case is the same or similar with MMA. And I'm sure it's the same or similar with a lot of different high-impact combat sports, boxing, kickboxing. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it. But the fact that that's our number one sport, and it's a sport we know, you're getting lit up all the time. Bong! Dudes are crashing into each other. Bong!
Starting point is 02:00:33 Last time we talked about this, some people sent us some videos of people playing football. It looked like high-level football without pads. Yeah, yeah. Still getting kind of drunk. That's going on now, right? Yeah, you can drink. You allow him to drink? Yes, he can drink. So, yeah, That's going on now, right? Yeah, you can drink.
Starting point is 02:00:46 Yes, he can drink. So, yeah, that's interesting, man, because I wonder, like, at what point in time do they say, look, it is just a fact of the game. People are going to get hurt. Let's just accept the fact. Thank you, sir. Let's just accept the fact, and these gentlemen should get paid a significant amount
Starting point is 02:01:03 of money, you know? I mean, I guess. I mean, it's just the revenue sharing. I just looked something up real quick, just really quick. Baseball, MLB, and NFL both are getting over $3 billion a year that they're sharing with their players.
Starting point is 02:01:19 Who knows how much it is in fighting, but the share isn't the same. Baseball is totally different. Right. Because baseball, you're not getting hurt. Like, the football thing is a total – I mean, you obviously have the potential to get hurt. You could definitely get hit by a pitch. When I was a kid, man, that was that – what was his name? Tony C?
Starting point is 02:01:38 That guy that died, he got hit by a pitch. I believe he was a Boston Red Sox player, and he got hit with a pitch and got really badly, badly hurt by the pitch. Tony Conigliaro. Is that it? Conigliari or O? R-O. R-O, yeah. That was a big thing when I was a kid.
Starting point is 02:01:56 Like I remember thinking, whoa, you can get that fucked up by a pitch that you're never the same again? Guys getting hit by fastballs, it was no joke. And you have to think, what kind of helmets did they have in the beginning? Did they have no helmets at all? You know? What kind of helmets did they have in baseball? Like a regular, like they're almost like football helmets.
Starting point is 02:02:20 Now they do. But when did they come up with those? Not until late. They made Little League baseball players wear them all the time. But I guess they always made professionals wear helmets. I got a P, too. You guys talked this out. No, because in hockey, when I was younger, there were players that didn't have to wear helmets.
Starting point is 02:02:39 And there's even guys now that don't have to wear a face mask. I remember that in hockey. Wearing a helmet meant you were a pussy or something, right, in hockey. But then little by little. The grandfathered in thing. Dude, there's got to be a movie about that guy, the first guy that wore the helmet and all the persecution he got. He must have had a good excuse.
Starting point is 02:02:59 He probably had some kind of head trauma where like, dude, I've got to wear a helmet. One more hit and I'm a vegetable. Where I'm a vegetable. Well, where I'm from in Ohio, I think it was the first place in an NHL game that someone died in the crowd
Starting point is 02:03:10 because a puck came flying into the crowd. A little girl died. She got hit by a puck? Yeah. Oh my God. Nets up all around the outside
Starting point is 02:03:18 so it doesn't happen anymore. Did it happen every now and then? Catching a puck at a game used to be a thing sort of like a foul ball. They used to come flying in and keep your eyes open because shit happens. How many people get fucked up from foul balls?
Starting point is 02:03:30 I always wondered that. Like line drives and shit? Old people. I've seen them come flying at people's heads. Has anybody ever had serious head trauma? Yeah, bats. Broken bats have come flying into the crowd, too. Shit.
Starting point is 02:03:40 Sharp flying at us. Anybody get stabbed in the eye with a bat? I'll look up a bat. Damn. Yeah, that's definitely happened. How often do people get fucked up at baseball games? Like, in the audience. You know, like foul balls and shit.
Starting point is 02:03:54 Oh, yeah, they get hurt, man. People get hurt. And some of them line dry foul balls and go right through someone's fucking forehead. Oh, yeah, and how about bats? They get hit with bats. Bats are real scary. Don't play, don't you fucking put that evil on me bats. Bats are real scary. Don't play me. Don't you fucking put that evil on me, Jamie Varner.
Starting point is 02:04:09 It's just a picture of it. People getting dragged out. I don't want to see it, man. A baseball is a hard fucking rock. It's a rock with a piece of fucking leather over it. They're all dangerous. It's just sort of what adds some of the risk and excitement to it. There's something bad that can't happen.
Starting point is 02:04:26 Yo, dude, you wouldn't want to get hit in the head with a softball. Fuck a baseball. Yeah. I wouldn't want to get hit in the head with a basketball. Yeah. You know? Or in those flying, they jump into the crowd and land on you and fuck up not only your clothes, but like they could break your leg or hurt a person.
Starting point is 02:04:39 Yeah. People go, why do you want to get hit? Because I'm not stupid. And I'm a pussy. Okay? You happy? I don't want to get hit? Because I'm not stupid. And I'm a pussy. Okay, you happy? I don't want to get hit by a fucking baseball. If I went to a baseball game, I'd be like an armored knight. I'd have a shield and shit.
Starting point is 02:04:52 I'd be looking through the shield. You walked out when I said it. In Columbus, where I'm from, I think it was one of the first times it happened. A hockey puck went flying into the crowd and it killed a little girl. Oh, no. So they had to start putting nets up around. And I think it started happening, too, and they've extended it in baseball. Now they're extending the nets where people.
Starting point is 02:05:09 Jamie, Joe doesn't want to hear that. It bums me out, man. You put that evil on me, Jamie. Come on. That's sad. Do you cry during movies and stuff? Yeah, I'm a pussy. Anytime there's a kid scene.
Starting point is 02:05:19 If it's a good movie. I've always been very emotional, both up and down, very passionate. Yeah, I'm a big fucking crier Dude, you kidding? I remember being 16 and I got pulled over by the cops Fuck we were leaving a party me and my friend Willie. We're leaving a party. He smoked weed. I didn't I was against weed I'm 16. We're at a fucking high school party that gets broken up by the cops. We're fucking drunk. We're hammered, and I'm driving. I didn't give a shit. Drunk driving.
Starting point is 02:05:49 I should be dead right now. I should be totally dead. This is all fiction. None of this actually happened. So I'm sitting, and I turn on the car, me and Willie. As soon as I turn on the car, a fucking cop right here just waiting for me comes up. I'm like, oh shit, I'm fucked up. I was drunk.
Starting point is 02:06:11 I rolled down the window. He pulled us out of the car. I'm already crying and shaking. I'm like, by the car, I'm crying and shaking. Really, it's kind of cool like that. I'm crying and shaking. Then the cop pulls out. He searches my car.
Starting point is 02:06:23 I just tell him the truth. They said, what's this cooler back here? and shaking and then the cop pulls out he searches my car and i just tell him the truth i just they said uh what's this cooler back here and i said it's uh it's a wine coolers because i drank wine coolers i was a big pussy everyone drank beer but i was the pussy that drank wine coolers i didn't care it's better i didn't care i'm drinking so i had a cooler filled with wine coolers and he goes what's what's in that and i said wine coolers i just admit it to him i'm like i've been drinking like i admit it i'm drunk i started crying i was just crying like a fucking little bitch and then he pulls out my ashtray and there's all this brown ash stuff that to this day i don't know what it is and he pulls
Starting point is 02:06:57 out and goes what is this i looked at it it's weed it's marijuana and it wasn't but i didn't even know what weed and marijuana looked like i didn't even know but he goes that's weed, it's marijuana. And it wasn't, but I didn't even know what weed and marijuana looked like. I didn't even know. But he goes, that's weed and marijuana. I go, yeah, it's weed and marijuana. It's his. I'm crying, throwing my friend under the bus. And it was obviously not weed.
Starting point is 02:07:17 What was it? I don't know. I don't know. Some kind of ash. I was so stupid. I'm crying, admitting to the cops, yes, I've been drinking. I'm drunk.
Starting point is 02:07:28 And that's marijuana. And he's sitting there thinking, that's not marijuana. But he's saying it's marijuana. They were confused. You know what they did? They said, get in your car and go home. They didn't arrest me or anything. They said, get in your car and get the fuck out of here. I confessed everything. I confessed too much. They didn't know what or anything. They said, get in your car and get the fuck out of here. I confessed everything.
Starting point is 02:07:45 I confessed too much. They didn't know what to do with me. I told them I was drinking and drunk and they let me go. You told them that something wasn't pot or it was pot when it wasn't pot and they knew it wasn't pot. And I'm crying. This kid's crazy. It's Merrill.
Starting point is 02:08:00 It's weed. And they go, what? They probably just saw you and saw just a gang of paperwork. Yes Oh, yes, too much work. They let me drive dude. He let me drive. They were so confused I told them I was drunk and they let a 16 year old boy drive home Did they follow you that was the coolest cop ever? Do they follow you? No, I don't know. I just fucking drove home That's that Peter Parker spider-man thing though. Like what if the cop lets you go and you in this? No, I don't know. I just fucking drove home. That's that Peter Parker Spider-Man thing, though. Like, what if the cop lets you go and you kill somebody?
Starting point is 02:08:29 Do you know that story? No. It's really fascinating because I'm sure Joseph Campbell would say that it's in one of those hero's journeys that he talks about. But in Spider-Man, Peter Parker, who's this scientist kid gets bitten by this radioactive spider and he gains these superpowers and he sort of realized and he gains these superpowers and he's headed um towards his uh what was his grandparents that he lived with or his aunt his uncle was his aunt and his uncle and they took his aunt and his uncle? And they were taking care of him.
Starting point is 02:09:06 And along the way, he ran into some robber. And he let the robber go because he's like, This is the story of Spider-Man. Yes. He's like, this is not my business. All right. The robber kills his uncle. So he had the opportunity to stop the robber,
Starting point is 02:09:21 and he didn't do anything, and his uncle died. And so now he takes care of his aunt, and's fucking spider-man he's pissed so he puts a mask on he uses his powers now and stops crime all around oh that makes sense so that's why he's obsessed with new york yeah he says my fault my fault oh my fault if i'd only stopped him when i could have but i didn't and now my Uncle Ben is dead. Hey, I didn't know the backstory. You know me. I've said it several times.
Starting point is 02:09:50 I hate superhero movies. I can't fucking stand them. But guess what? I'm addicted to Gotham. Fucking love the backstory of Batman. Really? Are you kidding me? Have you seen it?
Starting point is 02:10:00 No. Is it a show? Is it a Netflix show? Yes. I'm scared. Dude, it's the backstory of Batman. It's Batman as a kid. I don't have that time.
Starting point is 02:10:10 Oh, it's so good. Okay, I'll watch it. And I hate, I hate superheroes. But all of a sudden, knowing the backstory of all the villains, the Joker, you get all their backstory, how it all happened, how it all went down. It's so good. I fucking love it. It's like the mob runs Gotham City. The mob just fucking
Starting point is 02:10:29 runs the police, everybody. It's the most corrupt city ever in the entire world. That's the most corrupt city. Cops don't, there's just some motherfuckers you just don't investigate because you'll die. It's so corrupt. It's all mob.
Starting point is 02:10:45 And it's basically about him as a kid, but mostly about Gordon, Commissioner Gordon, how he some he's a Batman's a kid. He's like 12, but he's a super genius. And his parents got killed. He's like a super billionaire as well. His parents that got killed right in front of him. He spent his whole life trying to find the people that killed his parents. And that's how he becomes Batman. He's trying to
Starting point is 02:11:09 engulf them. It's fucking good! I love it! While you were telling me this, imagine if you lived in a world that looked like those fucking Batman movies look. Like all gray and gloomy and dark. They're trying to make it super realistic. They're trying to make it super realistic
Starting point is 02:11:25 They're trying to like like how are these guys? How do they end up in these fucking tights in these outfits? They're showing how it's happening in the in crime and right on the show But what I'm saying is when you watch those movies, they're trying to make it believable But you know I'm saying it's always like gloomy and dark and black. Yeah, like if you lived in that world Well, what what kind of happiness do you think you... What level of happiness do you think people would find in a world where it never got sunny? It's all shot like that, too.
Starting point is 02:11:51 It's all real. It's like Game of Thrones production. The lighting. Every shot is magical. It isn't like when you watch The Office. They don't give a shit about the shot. But the shot, everything. You don't think they do?
Starting point is 02:12:03 The lighting. Not like Game of Thrones style. They're trying to make it look magical. Everything's epic. It's not as much of a feature. It's epic. Every shot, they spend a lot of time on the lighting. It's shot amazing.
Starting point is 02:12:16 It's a great story. It makes a guy who hates superheroes. I'm addicted. I love Batman now. I'm into Batman. If we all lived in a world where it was that dark and gloomy, I bet addicted. I love Batman now. I'm into Batman. If we all lived in a world where it was that dark and gloomy, I bet we would be miserable as fuck.
Starting point is 02:12:29 I bet it would be super hard. It was super hard for people to feel good. We're so tuned in to wanting that light on our face. It's amazing, man. It's amazing. You know why I started watching?
Starting point is 02:12:40 I would have never started watching, but I have a friend who's a conspiracy theorist dude whose name is Rye Dawson he's like his he lives in Japan some American guy who just all is a concede JFK and 9-11 expert he spends his whole life on those two things and what and what's he doing hang around with it party goes and he goes he goes you want to know how shit really is run as watch Gotham if you watcham, that's how it's run exactly. And I said, really?
Starting point is 02:13:07 He goes, that's how it's run. So I'm watching it going shit. It's all based on money. Everything is based on money. You can just follow the money. When you follow the money, all you need is circle. Well, anyways. You know what?
Starting point is 02:13:22 What do you think of Michio Kaku? He's a brilliant physicist totally right interesting guy he's got some interesting things to say about a lot of different things but what I would say is has he been on your show
Starting point is 02:13:34 no no I've been with him on the Opie and Anthony show that was asking about mushrooms you've been on a show with him yeah oh shit how was that I was calling in man
Starting point is 02:13:44 and I just bombed him with some mushrooms questions. What did he say? Maybe he called in and I was there? I forget how it worked. You think Michio Akako smokes weed? Negative. Negative, sir. Negative does not do any drugs, because I asked him. You asked him? I asked him about psychedelics. Oh shit.
Starting point is 02:13:59 I asked him about mushrooms. He said, well we're not trying to give ourselves brain damage, we're trying to get smarter. It was one of those like, look, man, that guy's like a paid science educator, right? Okay, what he does is try to spread science all over the world. And when you're in that realm, you need funding for stuff. You need people to green light your TV projects. You've got to avoid criticism at all costs.
Starting point is 02:14:21 your TV projects. You've got to avoid criticism at all costs. And any time you're saying that it's probably a good idea to do certain drugs, that's just you can't do that. Stay away from that. You can't say, yes, if you do mushrooms, it's very possible that you might be in contact with entities from other dimensions. But if he did, if he did do them, he probably would say it. Oh, he probably
Starting point is 02:14:48 would. Almost anybody who's really smart, who does like a dose of DMT, comes back and goes, okay, what the fuck is that all about? He did, he was in this amazing documentary, just a fucking life-changing documentary called The Principle. Have you seen that? No, I've not.
Starting point is 02:15:05 Fuck. Yeah, Michio Kaku was in it. A bunch of physicists, like professors from MIT. It's just a bunch of dudes and like religious scientists too. They have like two or three of them. Is it recent?
Starting point is 02:15:15 It's 10. It's called The Principle. Is it recent? Two years. And it's just like 10 dudes, like a navigation expert, physicist, Michio Kaku, and they're all just going back and forth. You know, all these
Starting point is 02:15:28 astrophysicists and cosmologists and shit going back and forth discussing space. And they give you a timeline. It's an awesome, high-end document. They give you a timeline of why we believe what we believe about space.
Starting point is 02:15:45 And shit. Fuck. It is. It will melt your fucking brain. Dude. It's the craziest shit. Have you ever heard of the cosmic microwave background? You know what that is?
Starting point is 02:16:01 The noise that they indicate that it indicates the Big Bang. Yes. It's the afterglow of the Big Bang. Right. So I don't know. I don't know if this is true., it's the afterglow of the Big Bang. Right. So I don't know, dude. I don't know if this is true. Is it called the afterglow? Yeah, it's like radiation. It's like the Big Bang.
Starting point is 02:16:11 It's like the radiation left over after the Big Bang. Whatever the fuck that means. You know, whatever that means. But they start going on about that. I get lost in the mix. But the crazy thing about it, though. This is the crazy thing about it. I don't know shit about
Starting point is 02:16:26 that. All I do is just watch some space documentaries where we're fed. I used to be addicted to space documentaries. And then when you watch this documentary, and you find out why we believe what we believe, and the timeline of Ptolemy to Copernicus
Starting point is 02:16:42 to Kepler to Galileo, and all that timeline of what people thought and believed and it was always a battle of all these astronomers studying the lights in the sky. That's all they saw was the lights in the sky. Everything goes this way except those wandering stars and then they figured out those wandering stars were planets and then from there, okay, those are the planets because they're the only ones that are on their own course so they're all trying to figure
Starting point is 02:17:08 out is the universe spinning around us or are we spinning around the universe that's always the fucking that's always been we think like like i always thought oh they're dumb back then they thought they thought the the world uh was the center of the universe and all that shit. And you look back at that. You don't really look into, unless you know the actual timeline. It's crazy hearing all these scientists going back. And you hear them explaining how it all went down. Once you go through the whole story of what we think about space and all that, they tell you, they tell you,
Starting point is 02:17:47 we don't know shit. We're looking at a bunch of lights in the goddamn sky. You're going to tell me that that light and that light that's 250, 100 trillion light years away? How the fuck did you figure that out? Well, don't they have an explanation for that shit? No, exactly. That's what you just said right now. What you just said right now.
Starting point is 02:18:07 What you just said now is what everyone's natural reaction. Because anytime someone says anything about space, you automatically think someone figured it out. You don't know the guy's name. You don't know the name of the experiment. You didn't look into it yourself. You just think when someone tells you, how far is the Earth from the sun? They'll say, oh, 93 million miles away.
Starting point is 02:18:27 Like you just, everybody relies on, someone figured that out and someone double checked it. Dude, it's math. It's science. It's math. But no one really knows. You're going on what you read and whatever hits you first. You mean no one like that we're talking to? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:18:45 Obviously someone that's been measuring this stuff. Yeah, if I told you. I don't know how they measure it, but I'm sure there's a logical method of measurement. Yeah, like you figured someone figured that out. Well, no, I just assumed that if there's a bunch of guys that are trying to figure out how to get to the moon and back and Mars and back, and they're sending these rovers around that are shooting video back. They know how many miles it is. Yeah. They've got it figured out.
Starting point is 02:19:06 Totally. I just don't know what the method they use. Someone figured it out. You don't know the guy's name. Right. There's names of experiments. You could actually look at it. Right.
Starting point is 02:19:15 You look at, there was an experiment called the Michelson-Morley experiment that tried to prove that the Earth was moving. So they assumed that the space is filled with an ether like that's a dark matter maybe it's dark energy there's an ether so let's like measure uh the light waves going through the ether as it hits the earth and then we'll measure it back and we'll be able to tell if there's an ether based on the light going against the ether and with the current. It's like you're swimming relative to the ground. If you're swimming against the current, you go one way, you're going a certain speed.
Starting point is 02:19:53 But if you go along the current or the other way, you're going way faster. It's like that, but they couldn't measure shit. When you look into the Michelson-Morley experiment, the results were we couldn't measure that we're moving at all. So it's always been a debate. Are we moving? Aren't we moving? Even with Einstein, it was a debate. Did like in the fucking twenties and thirties, they still didn't know. You assume, yeah, it's moving. It says right here, a thousand miles an hour, it's rotating. But the people at the top don't even know. They don't even know. But we assume because we read it somewhere that they know, but it's rotating but they the people at the top don't even know they don't even know but we assume
Starting point is 02:20:26 because we read it somewhere that they know but it's all guesswork when you when you watch this documentary i'm just repeating shit dude when you watch this they're all saying it's we're studying this is when they found what they found in the cosmic background they took one reading in 2006 and one in 2013 and the the one in 2006, this is what the documentary's about. All these scientists are talking about it. They took a picture. It's called A Cosmic Microwave Background. It's a picture of all the galaxies
Starting point is 02:20:54 all the way around you. And they took a picture. They did it in 2006. It's not a conspiracy. This is a science documentary that I'm talking about. I'm not talking about a conspiracy theory documentary. It's a science documentary. Mitch Okaku about. I'm not talking about a conspiracy theory documentary. It's a science documentary. Michio Kaku was talking about this. Okay, what's it called again?
Starting point is 02:21:07 The Principle. Okay, I'll check it out. It's called the Copernicus Principle. And what they found, this is what they found in the first reading. And they thought there must be a mistake. There must be a mistake. Until 2013, the European Space Agency, they found the same thing. And this is what, right now, cosmology, they don't know what the fuck to do.
Starting point is 02:21:25 You know what they found out? What they found out? The cosmic microwave background shows that all the galaxies are on shelves lined up to us. That we are, we're at the fucking center. They don't know what to think about that. This is in this documentary? That's what the documentary's about. This is a, pull this documentary up, Jamie.
Starting point is 02:21:44 This is a recent documentary? There's a lot of controversy going on about it. But who is it that thinks that the universe is in shelves? That's what they're analyzing. They're looking at heat in space. That's what they're looking at, just heat.
Starting point is 02:21:59 And all the heat is all lined up like in shelves. And it's all surround they don't know what to think that's what this documentary is about is in 2006 they go okay but that must be a mistake that must be a mistake so they didn't do it again till 2013 european space agency in paris they had a fucking press conference about it they it was the exact same thing so they don't know what to think right now right now cosmology is like if that's true if we are the center of the universe that means everything that we've ever taught or every ever knew is all wrong so that's where they're at right that's what the documentary is about
Starting point is 02:22:35 i don't know if it's true that cosmic microwave background could be total bullshit that could easily be like a mind game in itself like they don't know what the fuck that is. What you find out. Well, you gotta assume that the top astronomers know what the fuck that is. Yes. So either way, either way, it's crazy. They're constantly updating what they know to be true. So it's not like something that's rigid. Like, astronomy is one of those things.
Starting point is 02:22:58 It's like they'll release. See, every time they find out something new, every time they find out something new about a planet, like, it's important to release that information. It's not like they have a strict narrative that they have to hold on to. So if someone comes around and says, it turns out that our measurement was inaccurate and the moon is X amount of miles further and weighs X amount of tons less than we thought it did or more. I don't think that would be a bad thing for science, right? I don't know. That would be just a new discovery with better equipment. But the new discovery is –
Starting point is 02:23:32 Go ahead. A lot of people interviewed, according to Wikipedia for this documentary, claimed that they weren't told what they were being interviewed for, and Michio Kaku said that this was likely clever editing and that his statements bordered on intellectual dishonesty. Hold on a second. George Ellis has said that I was likely clever editing and that his statements bordered on intellectual dishonesty. Hold on a second. George Ellis has said that I was interviewed for it, but they did not disclose this agenda, which of course is nonsense.
Starting point is 02:23:51 I don't think it was worth responding to. And he goes on to talk more about it. There was counterclaims just that this is all a little falsehood. Yeah, there's controversy going on, man. So the guy who produced it, the guy who produced it, the guy who produced it, he put out interviews the guy produced it he put out interview like there's People that are getting pressured. I don't know this is what they're saying Those those documentaries get you so juiced up. They're so they're so juicy. They seem so good They seem so real you get fired up and then once you get fired up. It's tough to get unfired up
Starting point is 02:24:23 Yeah, that cosmic microwave background could be total bullshit you know what i think i read really recently i don't believe that there's been some debate as to whether or not it's an eternal process that there was no beginning or end to the universe and that what you're seeing when you're seeing a big bang is not the beginning it's just that beginning it's all theories when you're seeing a big bang is not the beginning. It's just that beginning. It's all theories. When you watch this documentary, you're like, they don't know shit. Well, they know a lot, but they definitely don't know everything.
Starting point is 02:24:52 They're looking at lights. That's all they're looking at. They're not looking at mass or anything. They're just looking at lights. They're measuring gases. And they're going, that's a galaxy because the red light is elongated. That's a galaxy. And it's 700 trillion light years away how the fuck it sounds it sounds like there's a lot of bullshit with cosmology they're telling
Starting point is 02:25:16 you this they're telling you who is they though the scientists in michio kaku he'll tell you saying it's like uh um the copernicus principle the one that we live by, is that we're insignificant. We mean nothing. We're a speck in the universe. And then there's the geocentric model. That's the heliocentric model that we go around the sun. The geocentric model means that everything goes around us. That's what this says in the Bible.
Starting point is 02:25:41 That's what the first astronomers were saying. Ptolemy was the first one to say, yeah, we are the center. You can tell based on these observations, everything's revolving around us. And then other people came by. Copernicus said, based on these observations, this could also work. The sun's going around. Oh, we're going around the sun. And then there was a third one where we're the center.
Starting point is 02:26:04 The sun's going around us, but the planets are going around the sun. And then there was a third one where we're the center of the sun's going around us, but the planets are going around the sun. There was three models and they were all based on observations. Like dudes, just looking at lights, they're looking at lights, trying to figure out, okay,
Starting point is 02:26:13 are we going around the sun or is the sun going around us? You know? And, um, even like Einstein's times, he has a quote saying that we don't have the technology to even Prove that the earth is even spinning they can't even there's still a debater are we even moving are we still? Do we have to move because apparently the moon doesn't spin it's still why wouldn't why is it so hard to believe that? We're still because they haven't even proved even at
Starting point is 02:26:41 Since Einstein, I don't know Maybe they did what if the earth is the center of the universe and we stand still and the universe spins around us 24 hours a day wouldn't that be nuts wouldn't that be nuts
Starting point is 02:26:53 I think they're measuring that though and I think that's what they're saying I feel them emailing me right now telling me to go fuck myself and that this is a
Starting point is 02:27:01 disrespectful conversation that could be totally bullshit that could be totally bullshit but that's what they're saying that's what the scientists That could be totally bullshit. But that's what they're saying. We need to get Neil deGrasse Tyson on with Eddie Bravo. Yeah, that's what they're saying. Yeah, I don't know who the fuck is they. And I don't know what this, I have to watch this documentary.
Starting point is 02:27:14 Michio Kaku knows all about it. He's in it. He's in it. That motherfucker is a conspiracy about everything. But shit, if that's true, all the shit we've learned about science is trash. Everything. Even Einstein's theory of relativity.
Starting point is 02:27:28 If this is true, that goes down. The Copernicus principle goes down. Everything goes down about space. Everything. Duke's Hazard comes back
Starting point is 02:27:35 with the rebel flag on the roof of the car. The world is up and down. Cats and dogs living together. Don't you think it's weird that we spin and the water doesn't
Starting point is 02:27:44 fall off the planet? Somehow, magically, it's... No, it's gravity. It's weird that we spin and the water doesn't fall off the plant somehow magically gravity It's just that we dealing with mass on it It's such a grand scale that even though it's circular like what we think of as being flat is Just our inability to grasp the perspective of a 24,000 mile circumference You don't believe that? I don't know. I mean, I haven't done experiments on it. I don't know. You don't have to.
Starting point is 02:28:10 Other people did it. Yeah. Read what the scientists have done. I don't believe shit other people have done. I don't believe any of that. Including people that make YouTube videos? I believe people talking. When I see their video and they're talking, like it's a physicist and he's talking, I like that kind of shit.
Starting point is 02:28:25 Anything that's written, like anybody could have wrote whatever. I need to see interviews. I understand. Watch The Principle. Your fucking mind will melt. This is not a conspiracy theory video. This is a science video. But it might be a bullshit video.
Starting point is 02:28:37 It could be. Because what Jamie was saying was the people that were in it were saying they were edited out of context and they didn't know the true intention of the movie. I don't know. You know because you see it. I'm just parroting what he said. They're't know. You know because you see it. I'm just parroting what he said. They're just talking. They're just talking about the history of... What do you think about Dick? I'm not really into it.
Starting point is 02:28:52 Cut to, what do you think about space? I'm not really into it. It's not my thing. It's not your thing. Well, how'd you get this job? It's probably bullshit. Well, I went to school at the University of Arizona. You know, they have this like... It's probably bullshit, but what you learn from that, whether it's true or not about the cosmic microwave background,
Starting point is 02:29:09 whether the universe is rotating around us, it doesn't mean shit. What you learn is there's so many different points of views and everything is just a theory. And you learn that they still haven't figured a lot of shit out that we think people have figured out, but they actually didn't figure out. They still haven't figured out.
Starting point is 02:29:26 They're like, yeah, the Earth spins. We have a pendulum that fucking proves. If you see a pendulum, you prove that it spins. Like, really? A fucking pendulum? Eddie, don't you think this is something that you should probably really know what you're talking about before you go on these long rants? I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 02:29:42 This is a stoner talk. I know. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what's wrong. But there's gotta be is a stoner talk. I know. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what's wrong. But there's got to be some scientists right now. But it doesn't take an idiot to figure it out. Shooting their ears off right now. Yeah, they're going crazy. Oh, am I going too loud? No, no, no.
Starting point is 02:29:53 This is not something we should. This is like some really dumb dudes who have head injuries talking about Jet Li movies. Turn it off, bitch. And how they would use that shit. Turn it off. That's how they would use that shit in the shit. You don't think that's fascinating? You don't think that's fascinating? If it's real, it's fascinating, right?
Starting point is 02:30:10 If it's real, it's life-changing. If it's real. If all those guys that were in it say they were tricked. I have to watch it. You gotta watch why they said they were tricked. There's reasons. They got pressure. It changes everything, dude. It crushes their careers. But why does it even have to be a conspiracy?
Starting point is 02:30:26 Like if you just look at what what is absolute about space forget about all the measurements Like I forget about all the numbers because we don't I don't know and you don't know I don't know just forget about that Just just like what they're figuring out right now about Mars I mean that they're sending back these images from those rovers and these scientists are debating What this is what that is if this is actual running water at one point in time, if this is some sort of a strange. All that, for sure, is really happening, 100%. I think that's all bullshit. You don't think they're really on Mars?
Starting point is 02:30:53 I think they're faking everything. I think they're faking everything. I think all that's fake. You don't think they landed on Mars with a rover? I think it's all fake. How come? It's just too hard. It's too hard to do?
Starting point is 02:31:04 You know what? They've lied so much. NASA's lied so goddamn much that I don't believe shit they said. I don't believe shit they said. I believe for sure they have shot rockets into space because we can watch it happen. And also for sure people have died when they've launched those rockets into space.
Starting point is 02:31:20 But they definitely have a way to move rovers around on Mars now. It's not a, it's not a biological impediment. It's not like they have to keep people like they're saying, if they're going to fly people out there, it's going to take six months and you know,
Starting point is 02:31:33 they have to have enough food to stay alive and air and whatever the fuck it, they have to make sure they don't get hit by micrometeors. They're going to put them on the surface of Mars, but that's not a person though. You're talking about like a rover. It looks like fucking Arizona with like a red though. You're talking about like a rover. It looks like fucking Arizona with like a red tint. Probably because Mars looks like Arizona
Starting point is 02:31:49 with a red tint. They make it red and shit. Come on. I think it's all bullshit. I don't believe anything. Well, you know, there's nothing on Mars that doesn't exist on Earth. That's what they say.
Starting point is 02:31:58 I mean, that's all that's what they say. Isn't that correct? As far as like the minerals that they're finding in the soil or the kind of dirt that they're experiencing? I mean, I think it's different in its appearance and its imagery, but it could just be that that's what planets without water look like. When you see a real picture of Mars, you see a dot of light. Right.
Starting point is 02:32:16 I understand, but that's what we see. But like when you're looking at Mars, right, or you're looking at the desert, like in Arizona, like that crazy desert, the Utah, Arizona, you know, those rocks and shit, all that crazy desert. Oh, that looks so boring. That might as well be Mars. That could be anything. If you thought Mars was completely different from Earth, think again. That could be Pomona.
Starting point is 02:32:39 Our warm blue planet is more similar in some ways to the desolate red planet than you know. And we have comparison images to prove it. Find out about the actual minerals in it and see if you can find like if the soil is significantly different. I mean, the soil varies all over the place on earth, right? I mean, soil's everywhere. You don't think there's a little tiny chance, small little percentage that they could be faking that?
Starting point is 02:33:04 No, I don't. I don't think there's a little tiny chance, small little percentage that they could be faking that? No, I don't. I don't think it's hard to do. I mean, I think it's hard to do, but they've done it. Look, they've already got all these crazy satellite images of Earth. They got satellite images all the way out to Jupiter's moons. They've got that satellite image of that frozen moon. What's that frozen moon? Oh, let me see if that's CGI. Find that frozen. They got a picture of a frozen frozen moon. What's that frozen moon? Oh, let me see if that's CGI.
Starting point is 02:33:25 Find that frozen... They got a picture of a frozen fucking moon? I guarantee you it's CGI. What is the fucking frozen water moon? What is it called? No way they can take a picture of a fucking moon. Hold on a second, man. What is Mars made of?
Starting point is 02:33:40 Comparison of planet Mars, Mars and soil is defined... Blah, blah, blah blah blah blah blah bullshit differ uh properties can differ significantly from those on terrestrial those of terrestrial soil the term martian soil typically refers to the fine fraction of re what is that what is that word right regolith regolith regolith on earth the term soil usually includes organic content oh that's interesting so because everything's dead it's dirt it's not soil huh that's interesting right like soil is a fucking life form that's what people don't think about have you ever seen
Starting point is 02:34:18 one of those documentaries where they show um the uh interaction between the mycelium and the uh the roots of the trees and even rocks themselves, like how they have this sort of crazy relationship. Radio Lab did this amazing podcast on it, man. You know, we think of a tree as being like, there's a tree, it's in the ground, it's by itself, and there's another tree over there. No, they're all connected, like in some crazy superhigh way of give and take. all connected like in some crazy superhighway of give and take they give each other sugars and minerals and the the mycelium actually clings to rocks and pulls minerals out of the rocks and they all exist together in this crazy ecosystem it's an amazing podcast man if you
Starting point is 02:34:58 listen to it it's a mind blower it's uh i wonder how they figured all that out they actually have seen these things under the microscope they were showing these things that these things exist in a just a small area you'll find miles and miles of this like sort of fungus growth and fungus apparently the way it's explained to me it like when you see like mushrooms mushrooms aren't like a plant they're closer to a person than they are to a plant mushrooms breathe air wait a minute you just said mushrooms are closer to a person than a plant than they are a plant they're more like a life form damn they're more like they're weird man you believe that mushrooms are weird it's a weird growth it's some sort of a living thing that doesn't move, but they interconnect in some strange way with all the plants around them and become like a highway system.
Starting point is 02:35:53 They even, in this podcast, they were talking about how they find a tree that's like specifically needy and they channel resources to that tree. Like there's like some sort of a way that these plants are communicating with each other that they're just struggling to understand right now they really don't know what the fuck they're doing they just know that something is happening and that we may have looked at plants as being these inanimate things or these things that lie that they live but they don't have any awareness whatsoever of their surroundings now They know that they can play the sound of caterpillars chewing leaves Around plants and these plants were released a toxin that makes their leaves taste like shit to discourage predation
Starting point is 02:36:38 Like the ones that eat they can get any spray on them they ran out of spray What do you mean the ones that the bugs do eat is probably the ones that probably they don't spray the older ones this is not a real they don't use real bugs for this they take the sound this is where it's fucked up they take a recording of a caterpillar eating leaves and they make the recording go off next to the tree and the tree starts releasing those chemicals somehow or another it's taking in the sound waves because that's all they are of a caterpillar eating leaves and it's causing the leaves to become more bitter eventually there's going to be one plant that knows it's a trick and then a breed and evolve and then you got to change the systems well yeah all the animals are
Starting point is 02:37:22 going to starve to death like they've had problems where animals will eat upstream from other animals so if a bunch of animals are eating the sound of the animals eating that plant gets into the system and all the the leaves go bitter and the animals won't eat the leaves and then they wind up getting sick and dying now here's where it gets trippy what what gets here's where the plant no the animals they get sick and dying. Now here's where it gets trippy. What gets sick? Here's where it gets trippy. No, the animals. They get sick and die because they don't eat. They starve to death.
Starting point is 02:37:48 Because the plants taste like shit. Because the plants taste like shit. Damn, there's a war going on right under our nose and we didn't know. Here's where it gets really weird. That plant that they're talking about that does all this, that's the acacia plant. That's the plant that those Jerusalem scholars think might be DMT. It might be what Moses saw when Moses saw the burning bush that became God. Like that was God that was communicating with him. They think it might be the acacia tree because the acacia tree
Starting point is 02:38:17 is rich in dimethyltryptamine. And the acacia tree is the tree that when animals are eating it upstream the ones downstream they change their taste they smell it or they hear it or somehow or another they become aware through the ground that the ones uphill are getting eaten so they all taste like shit and animals start starving to death by the way some of that may not be true. But I believe it is. According to that Radiolab podcast, I believe it's true. Hey, you never know. Paige Van Zandt, dime piece after a cage fight. It's worth a lot of cash, Dana White. That's an easily sell to America.
Starting point is 02:38:59 And she fucked up a tattooed chick from another country. That's strong. You know? Yeah. And she fucked her up with a jumping roundhouse kick to the face dancing with the stars foo style. Revenge of the hotties. Look at this. Boom.
Starting point is 02:39:14 She did one to the body there. Oh, look at that combination. There it is. Woo. Paige Van Zandt. Number 10 now. What do you think she is now after this? She's got to be like number 7, right?
Starting point is 02:39:26 She gets the big jump. That's a scary division. The top, the top's got that motherfucker. She's probably going to start acting. Start making movies. Paige Van Zandt? She certainly could. She could quit right now.
Starting point is 02:39:39 After that fight on Fox, that's a big deal to have that fight on Fox. Powerful Paige Van Zandt. Super marketable. Real nice girl, too. What's her buddy? That's a good opening line for like a hot chick. Excuse me, you're very marketable. She's super marketable.
Starting point is 02:40:03 That's what you tell a girl, right? Well, if a girl's in the sport you marketable a girl or a guy in this sport you're in the sport for two reasons right you want to be competitive for sure but two is you want to make a fuck load of money and get out while you can and she was even saying when she realized when she was doing dancing with the stars she did an interview recently where she was talking about she realized how much money other athletes make in comparison to fighters and she wasn't complaining she was just saying like i'm still blessed but you know this is the ufc pays me more than any job i've ever had in my life but man you find out what some athletes make
Starting point is 02:40:35 in other sports but that's just the way it goes that's just the way i mean this sport is in this particular period of development and eventually the money will be there. But for people to say that it's just the way it is. It's going to be there for her though, dude. Yeah. It's for sure going to be there for her. That's the one. Look at how... She's laughing.
Starting point is 02:40:52 She's laughing at missing her own kick. But what's funny is right after that... She's like, what? Boom! This is a crazy kick, man. This is like some Liotta Machida type shit. That's a highlight reel kick. Dude, is like some Liotta Machida type shit. That's a highlight reel kick. Dude, his brother, Liotta Machida's brother,
Starting point is 02:41:09 fought in Bellator yesterday. Chinzo, how did he do? Dude, he's got some serious striking. Nasty karate. Dude, he threw an uppercut, clipped the guy one uppercut, and he fights just like him, that karate stance where they're jumping up and down. It's like fencing, like a fencing stance.
Starting point is 02:41:24 He looks legit. He's been hurt over the last few years. He's been working on his MMA career for a while. He's like 36, right? 38. 38. The striking is legit. I watched him fight in something else.
Starting point is 02:41:39 Might have been the RFA. What did he fight in before this? RFA. RFA. RFA. Yeah, I saw him fighting that. He looked real good. And he does look a lot like Lyoto, like a lot of the way he moves.
Starting point is 02:41:48 You know, I was thinking to me, man, it was something I was thinking when I was watching him fight in the early days. I was like, man, what a grind it is to get into MMA. You know, you got these guys that are really good at a sport and they get to a level. Is this him here? Yeah. Oh, wait a minute. I saw some highlights of this online. Look at the way he stands.
Starting point is 02:42:09 Exactly like Liotta. With confidence and he throws bombs, dude. They both learned from their dad. See that? That little combo? He did that another time and really I think he put the guy on his butt with it. Damn, Chinzo looks good. I wonder why the UFC didn't sign him.
Starting point is 02:42:28 Seems like that would be a good signing, you know? Sign this guy. Bellator looked really good. But you know what? A guy like this, you know, have a few fights in Bellator, and then maybe the UFC will bring him over, just like they did with, what's his name, Will?
Starting point is 02:42:52 Eddie Alvarez? No. Well, of course Eddie Alvarez for sure. See that? But recently, god damn it, why am I blanking on his name? He just won. He just beat somebody. I didn't call the fight, though.
Starting point is 02:43:13 He was Bellator's champion at one point in time. Yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Will Brooks. Yeah, Will Brooks just came over from Bellator. It's like, you know, they're going to probably exchange stuff back and forth. Now Rory's over there.
Starting point is 02:43:24 Rory McDonald just signed to Bellator. Dude, Rory McDonald versus Michael Page. Holy shit. I'm in. I want to see that fight. That's an interesting fight. I think that good competition is good. And I think that good competition like Bellator, I think it's good for MMA. It's good for the UFC.
Starting point is 02:43:43 It's good for business. It's good for the UFC. It's good for business. It's good for business. Isn't it? I agree. We need a bunch of organizations. You know, there's a large potential for growth in this sport. Bellator's probably number two, right? Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 02:43:59 Who's number three? Probably one FC. I mean, I don't know. It would have to be, well, you know, World Series of Fighting does have some really good fighters, but doesn't get enough love for some reason. That's kind of interesting, right? It's on NBC Sports. And then there's Titan, too.
Starting point is 02:44:14 Yeah. But, like, World Series of Fighting has Fitch. They had Paul Harris until they kicked him out. Jake Shields. They have Jake Shields. They got Marlon Marais, who's a bad motherfucker. They got Marlon Marais, who's a bad motherfucker. They got Justin Gaethje, who's a bad motherfucker. They got some
Starting point is 02:44:30 good... They had Tyrone Spong. I don't know if Tyrone Spong is still doing MMA, though. I think Tyrone Spong might have decided to go to straight boxing. He's doing really well in straight boxing. He's got nasty hands, man. Is that the guy Alan Joe Bonfatt? No. No, no. He's much larger. He's got nasty hands, man. Is that the guy Alan Joban fought? No.
Starting point is 02:44:46 No, no. He's much larger. I guess essentially he's a light heavyweight if he was an MMA fighter, but he could fight heavyweight, too. He's fought some pretty big boys. I would like to know what weight he fights at. I would imagine it would be in the 220s or something like that.
Starting point is 02:45:02 What's the latest with Mark Hunt? He's been protesting about Brock Lesnar's test. I don't know. It's a bummer. He's really pissed, right? It's a bummer for him. Yeah, it's a bummer for him. You know, because that stuff that Brock tested for, I mean, it's not really a steroid.
Starting point is 02:45:19 It's something that helps you bring your body back after your endocrine system shuts down. Obviously, I'm not a doctor, ladies and gentlemen. Don't take my word for this. HCG? It's clomiphene, I believe it's called. I think that's what they released. What that stuff is an estrogen blocker, and it helps your body produce testosterone. And it could, you know, you could be taking it for a legit reason,
Starting point is 02:45:44 or you could be taking it because you need your body to re-kickstart its testosterone after you overdosed it. You know, you shut the balls down. So that's the real concern when people hear that someone was taking an estrogen blocker. They're like, okay, why? Apparently the John Jones story, which Red Band predicted hilariously, is boner pills. How did he predict that? Generic boner pills. Because Red Band has taken those boner pills a bunch of times.
Starting point is 02:46:12 Yeah. And he said, dude, there's definitely steroids in them. They make you like crazy. He's like, there's a bunch of shit in there. Who knows what's in there? Like, you just buy these gas station boner pills. And that's what Brian said. And I said, well, what makes you think that?
Starting point is 02:46:24 And he was like, well, because he likes to party right like john jones tested positive for coke he was like people that like to do coke they want to take like boner pills to get their dick hard i'm like oh my god he nailed it i'm like he nailed it he did he nailed some good csi shit yeah he should be an investigative reporter yeah he. He cracked the case. And he was right. He was perfectly right. So now people are going to forgive Jon Jones. Like, ah, those are just boner pills. I mean, that's okay, right?
Starting point is 02:46:51 Well, there was even talk about how long the suspension would be for Brock Lesnar. It's all weird, man. It's real weird. And here's another thing about things like Bellator. Somebody brought this up online on Twitter, whether Bellator gets tested by USADA. And I don't know the answer to that. I don't know how they test or what they test. I know people have tested positive for some shit before at Bellator,
Starting point is 02:47:15 but I don't know when and I don't know what commission, but I do not imagine in any way that it's as stringent as the test that the UFC does. Right? There's no way. It appears that way. Yeah, it appears that way. Like Bobby Lashley does not pass the smell test. No offense, Bobby.
Starting point is 02:47:35 You look like a hell of an athlete. But that looks like you got it. For Ballot Tour 158, they were tested by the Mohegan Department of Athletic Regulation for drug testing. Okay. So that's Mohegan Sun. Athletic Regulation for drug testing. Okay, so that's Mohegan Sun. That must be where the casino is. They probably have their own athletic commission.
Starting point is 02:47:50 And, you know, who knows what methods they use and who knows whether it's just a post-fight test like they used to do in the UFC and a lot of guys had figured out how to crack the system. I don't know. It's a good question. Who knows? So it's a good question. Who knows?
Starting point is 02:48:10 It'd be an interesting choice for people that wanted to get some help. You know, didn't want to completely jump into this new school of constant testing. So they're like, how about you just test me after the fight and we'll just work this out in camp. How about Nate Diaz pulling out that vape pan in the press conference? That took balls, huh? Shit. That's a gangster. Well, I didn't even think he thought he was doing anything wrong.
Starting point is 02:48:33 It's a CBD oil pan. He probably didn't realize most people just can't make the distinction between CBD oil and pot. You know, that CBD oil is just some shit that you do. I take that every day just as a antioxidant yeah anti-inflammatory yeah well cbd oil is natural you're taking if people are taking that and there's been lots of reports of success taking uh this cbd oil when you have any kind of cancer you know there's been there's been good studies why not just take it before just maybe as a preventative and you know it can't hurt yeah that's well um a lot of people report good results with it you know and it's it's supposed to be really good for pain people
Starting point is 02:49:15 how crazy is it that you know we have a state like colorado and there's other states too like washington and oregon now but there's states where it's like going to Amsterdam. Colorado is like Amsterdam. But then we got another Amsterdam. We got a Washington Amsterdam. We got an Oregon Amsterdam. But Colorado, that's probably the most famous state for legalizing recreational use.
Starting point is 02:49:38 How crazy is it that we're living in a world like that? Dude, it changed their whole economy. It changed their economy. Denver's booming. It's like a gold rush. It it changed their whole economy. It changed their economy. Denver's booming. It's like a gold rush. It's like they found gold. It's green gold. Are they just like skyscrapers everywhere?
Starting point is 02:49:51 Is it like that? Well, the real estate has gone up by a significant amount. Last time I heard, it was like 14% or 16%. The real estate prices have gone up. Drunk driving is the lowest it's been in decades. Violent crimes, lowest it's been in a long time. It's crazy, man. It's weird.
Starting point is 02:50:08 It's weird. Less instances of teenage drunk, drunk driving, getting pulled over with booze, a lot of less instances of teenagers getting drunk. Families from all over the world uprooting and taking their kids that have seizures, 20 a day. They're taking them and starting a new life in Colorado,
Starting point is 02:50:25 and their kids are down to one seizure a week or maybe even less. Maybe even less. That's a big point, and one of them is a buddy of mine. Huge. Kids. You know my friend Johnny, Johnny Rotten? You remember Johnny? Johnny's kid, he had some real issues, and the cannabis oil and eating hash.
Starting point is 02:50:44 You saw that documentary where they had that kid, or that news report, rather, some some real issues and the cannabis oil and eating hash and like like you saw that documentary where they had that kid or that news report rather where they had that kid who was he was having some seizures and they didn't know what to do and they were like at their last rope and they tried cannabis they started giving this kid charlotte's web it was in like a mango they would give it to him and like pieces of fruit or a melon or something like that. You know, this kid has completely stopped all of his seizures. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:51:10 And it's apparently really, really, really effective for that. Yeah. So anybody out there that, if you know anybody with kids that have seizures and they're on the medication, there's a whole shitload of them out there. Yeah. There is hope for them. You got to move to Colorado or, you know, you just get, uh you just get it stay where you're at and just get it any way you can you know to save your kid's life or you can move but there's a place you can go it's colorado washington oregon you can take your your kids seizures or the kids that you know relatives whatever you could take them to once a week maybe once every two weeks that those are
Starting point is 02:51:41 the results i'm hearing yeah and there's also other parts of the same country that we live in right now where if you took that same medicine and you got caught with it you go to jail i guarantee go to jail there's a bunch of stupid spots in this country they're not bad people they're just operating on bad old ideas and they think of themselves as being good people and i bet in your head you are a good person. But if you're enforcing marijuana laws in 2016, you're on the wrong side. You're on the wrong side. It helps a lot of people with a lot of shit. And if somebody's trying to get their kid some medicine and you're trying to stop them and lock them in a cage, and this is a medicine that grew out of the ground, you're out of your fucking mind.
Starting point is 02:52:24 You're operating on some old voodoo. Schedule one drug, still. How about the DEA wouldn't change it? They wouldn't change the classification. Maybe Hillary's going to do it when she gets in. Maybe they made a deal. Let's make the big change when we get in. Let's hold on to our cards.
Starting point is 02:52:38 Okay, we're going to get in. This country is in some serious trouble. Jesus Christ. We've got to make a new serious trouble. Jesus Christ. We got to make a new system. Jesus fucking Christ. They don't want to. They don't want to do it. So obvious that it's rigged.
Starting point is 02:52:53 I mean, when you got Hillary and Trump, that's rigged fucking city right there. They're clawing at it, man. They're trying to hold on to it as long as they can. So rigged. It's going to be interesting to see how much longer we can continue to have a country that operates like this.
Starting point is 02:53:08 How about that election fraud shit that happened in California with Hillary and Bernie Sanders? Mm-hmm. It's like viral. As soon as that happens, boom, Orlando, bam. What if?
Starting point is 02:53:18 What if? Well, there's always speculation. What's been proven about voter fraud? Has anything been proven? I don't know. I didn't... It's not something... Just juicy. It's not not something that I'm that shocked where I need no
Starting point is 02:53:29 evidence I'm like it's like telling me that some whore fuck some other dude I'm not gonna oh I need fucking video I'm like it would just be nice I just be nice it makes sense it would just be nice if you couldn't get rich running the government it'd be no what I think nice if you just you know there's no way you could do this to get rich you just can't do it i think that i mean jesus there's just no hope there's no there are too many too many people are just they're with it they just got them on that media they're addicted to that media there's just no way around it i mean there's a there's a quote that i posted on my Instagram from Jim Morrison. I'm sure he didn't make it up,
Starting point is 02:54:08 but it says, those who control the media control the mind. It says Jim Morrison. A bunch of people probably said that. No, it was. I'm sure it was. I saw it in a meme. That's everything right there. The thing is, today, isn't the media
Starting point is 02:54:24 is like, boy, what a slippery grip they have on it. It seems so slippery to me. No, they got it. They got it all under control. But I feel like everybody's the media now. Like, there's so many different accesses or so many different points of access. They still trick them all day. Still tricking them all day.
Starting point is 02:54:41 Look, we got Hillary. Hold on. Jamie's saying something? Wouldn't this be? This could be someone's main source of entertainment slash news and this we would be their media and how would we be tricking them but what we're trying to do is we're actually trying to tell the truth like we're trying to get to the truth uh usually what what you see in the media has an agenda behind it i gotta keep talking i don't have an agenda i'm not making money off
Starting point is 02:55:03 conspiracy theory money you know know what I mean? There's no agenda here. So conspiracy theorists, no matter how, and by the way, the CIA created the word conspiracy theorists to demonize people that are against the establishment. So that's not a conspiracy theory. The word conspiracy theory is to make people seem like tinfoil hat wearing wackos. tin foil hat wearing wackos. But anyways, you know, when you look at the motive, like what's the motive behind being a conspiracy theorist?
Starting point is 02:55:32 No matter how paranoid you are, the most paranoid worst case scenario type people, when you, you know, some people are more paranoid than others and they jump to more conclusions than others, but all conspiracy theorists, they have one thing in common. They're not trying to, they're worried about their family, their health. Even if it is paranoia, maybe they go too far. It's what's in the heart. We're concerned about the people and what's going on and how we're being fooled and where we're headed and where we're led.
Starting point is 02:56:02 And all this bullshit that's going on in the world. We're concerned with that. The people on the other side, they're not concerned with that at all. The people in power are not concerned with the right thing. They're concerned about one thing and one thing only, keeping as much power as they can for as long as possible, no matter what.
Starting point is 02:56:21 Juicy conspiracy thought. I love it. What are we talking about? Illuminati? The Goldbergs? What are they called? I was having a conversation about Alex Jones
Starting point is 02:56:32 with my buddy Ry Dawson who thinks like, he's just too paranoid. He just, he's just too crazy. He just says the craziest things about Alex Jones. I'm like,
Starting point is 02:56:39 yes, he does. I know him personally. Yes. He may be a little more concerned slash paranoid. You know, he may be uh a little more um concerned slash paranoid you know he may be but that's why he's alex jones is he he's so paranoid about shit that he dedicated his life to trying to get information out and some of it's wrong some of it's right you know no
Starting point is 02:57:00 conspiracy theorists it's all theories based on mostly circumstantial evidence. It's not like real evidence. We're just saying, wait a minute, you've got you guys done this before and you've done this for forever and it seems like it's happening again based on that and based on that and based on this. Yeah, you guys are probably still doing this shit.
Starting point is 02:57:19 It's still the same criminals. Oh, it's all good now. Oh, they used to do it. After 50 years, it's easy to prove a conspiracy theory. What are we talking about exactly, though? We're talking about... We were talking about... Oh, Alex Jones. Alex Jones, that's right.
Starting point is 02:57:36 But it doesn't matter that he's so paranoid. He doesn't have to be right about everything. Sometimes he's too paranoid. I'm talking about Alex Jones. His heart's in it. I know one thing about Alex Jones is he's not a shill'm talking about Alex Jones. His heart's in it. I know one thing about Alex Jones is he's not a shill. He's for real. Definitely not a shill. Maybe he stays away from certain
Starting point is 02:57:52 subjects. Maybe he does, but overall the message is don't buy into this game show that we're being fed. Don't buy into this game show that we're being fed. Don't buy into that shit. Yes, the globalists.
Starting point is 02:58:08 Yes, and that's what's going on. So, I mean, unless you're sitting here telling me you believe what you see when you see someone speaking in CNN about it. I believe what Jamie says. Do you think he believes everything he's saying? What does it matter? Alex Jones. There's people on ESPN that there's no way they believe everything they're saying. They used to matter? Alex Jones. There's people on ESPN
Starting point is 02:58:25 that there's no way they believe everything they're saying. They used to be on ESPN, I should say. There's no way they believe everything they're saying because it contradicts itself
Starting point is 02:58:32 when looked at. What do you mean? Guys like CNN broadcasters? On ESPN. ESPN. Just guys talking about sports will say something very salacious
Starting point is 02:58:40 and two days later say something that contradicts itself but they're just doing it because that's their job, and they're paid to talk all day long. Of course. I agree with all that. And at a turn in other people like that are also paid.
Starting point is 02:58:52 But Alex Jones is completely independent. I've known Alex literally for, I hate literally, but I've known him since 99, and he's always been like this, and he's been doing it himself, doing his radio show, and doing now his internet show. He's getting paid to do it. Honestly, if that dude had a fucking insurance job, he'd
Starting point is 02:59:13 still be talking about this stuff. He's a real conspiracy theory guy. You could be at a honky-tonk bar at 2 o'clock in the morning. The black helicopters and the cattle mutilations are connected. You can't have one without the other. I'm not trying to disregard that at all. But the crazy thing, when you listen to
Starting point is 02:59:30 him talk, dude, he knows his shit. Sometimes he exaggerates on some shit, like Y2K, exaggerated on that. A lot of people thought shit was coming to an end. That was one example. There is a problem, though, when you have a
Starting point is 02:59:45 business of doom. You're always looking for doom. Like, that's your business? Well, if you're selling doom, you gotta look for doom. It's not that he's not right a lot. He's right about a lot of things. He was right about a bunch of shit that no one ever thought about, that now we think of as, because
Starting point is 03:00:01 of Edward Snowden, we think of just as a part of the the problem there he was he was talking about worldwide surveillance of emails females and text messages and he was talking about that a lot of connections on the inside he's got sources that he won't reveal their name he's getting a lot of information it's proven right he knows that we're living in the goddamn matrix so if you believe if the thing that burns me the most is super smart people,
Starting point is 03:00:28 really smart, and they just, they know the people running shit are controlling us. They know this, but when it comes down to any topic, they side with their word, the criminal's word.
Starting point is 03:00:43 That burns me more than anything is you know they're criminals, you know they are, but are you going to side with them? You're going to believe them. Criminals, they have to prove everything. Maybe some things they're saying are true,
Starting point is 03:00:57 but I'm not going to believe you. I'm like, I don't believe shit you say. Just like some fucking liar that you know, some dude at the comedy store, some dude who just lies about fucking everything.
Starting point is 03:01:04 You're not going to believe, even though some shit he's telling you might be true, you're like, you're going to have to prove all that shit because you fucking lie about everything. You lie about where you're from. You were never a wrestling champion. You didn't fucking own no goddamn Harley. You're a fucking liar. Why am I going to believe anything
Starting point is 03:01:20 you say? That's what's going on. I think we should, when it comes to conspiracy theories, we should always be at least skeptical of the official story. It may be true, it may be not, but I mean... I wish Brian Callum was here right now, and I would put a tie on him, and
Starting point is 03:01:35 a badge that says, Mr. Official Story, and you guys could duke it out. Yeah, we don't need to do that. I just, I said enough. Just like, come on. I think people are done. Question everything. Yeah, at a certain point in time, we can't need to do that. I said enough. Just like, come on. I think people are done. Question everything. Yeah, at a certain point in time, we can't keep talking about this. What did you think about some other fights that were happening recently? How about them UFC fights?
Starting point is 03:01:59 Trying to steer this away from this fucking conspiracy swamp that we keep falling into. I'm done. It's nonproductive. The problem with it is- It's not? Yeah, it eats up time. Opening people's minds? It's not always right.
Starting point is 03:02:12 It's not always right. There's a lot of stuff that's getting messed up. We're not trying to get everything right? Yeah, but it's a giant quagmire. If you start chasing down whether or not the CIA created Jim Morrison, that shit takes a lot of time. Hours and hours of speculation and thinking.
Starting point is 03:02:27 It's not worth it. Smoke a joint and enjoy the music. It's very entertaining. You feel like it's almost like an open-ended puzzle that you're playing. Yeah, it's entertaining. People are into Game of Thrones. It's not real at all. It's a made-up-ass story.
Starting point is 03:02:43 I want some made-up. But they don't want to watch like a documentary, like a conspiracy documentary that maybe not true, maybe exaggerated. But, God damn, it's really close to the truth, and maybe it is true. But, no, we ain't going to watch that. We want to watch total fake shit. I just want to make sure it's all fake. The total fake shit, at least, like, I don't feel stupid because I know that it's fake. I just want to make sure it's all fake. The total fake shit at least like I don't feel stupid because I know that it's fake.
Starting point is 03:03:08 I'm enjoying something. I'm not being half-fucked. But if you watch conspiracy theories as it's probably fake, but who knows maybe there's a little truth to it. They're fun, man. Some of them are fun. You know what my favorite one though was? The one where the dude thought that there was rods flying around and it turned out it was just the way cameras
Starting point is 03:03:24 view things and move faster. That conspiracy theory didn't last at all. That's proof that conspiracy theories will drop, motherfuckers. They'll drop it hot. Dude, it was dropped. No conspiracy theory stuck with that. It was a weird thing we saw. No, but it wasn't dropped. That guy came
Starting point is 03:03:39 to one of my fucking Q&As that I did with the UFC. People still believe that? The guy who made the documentary. I think his name is Jose Escamillo. Oh, no. Gentleman. He's a fine gentleman.
Starting point is 03:03:49 He's not a bad man at all. But he came to one of the UFC things and he waited in line to ask me a question and he yelled it out. Rods! That monster.
Starting point is 03:03:58 I have documentaries in UFC. Okay, dude. We saw him, dude. 2002. That Monster Quest show is what fucked him up. Did you know that?
Starting point is 03:04:06 No. Yeah, it was that MonsterQuest show. That show that they were doing for the History Channel where they were investigating monsters. No, this is what happened. MonsterQuest did an experiment. On one side, they used a high-speed camera that does very high rates of frame rates, and it can film slow slow motion shit so you see like every pixel it looks perfect you know how they do that with those slow-mo
Starting point is 03:04:28 cameras they could film at a very high rate of speed okay like really complicated and then we saw that there next to it and then next to it was a shitty camera and the shitty camera couldn't capture it quick enough so everything got elongated so the image got blurred and elongated and it looks like tubes were flying through the sky. Well, two cameras side by side captured completely different things. One of them captured super obvious bugs. You could slow them down in slow motion.
Starting point is 03:04:52 You could see there were bugs. And then it would literally cross over into the other camera and turn into this tube because it was just moving too quick. So it's an artifact. Yeah. That's what it's called. So that was a conspiracy theory that was hot for about maybe three years. Yeah, there they are. We were into it.
Starting point is 03:05:08 I remember getting high. I'm living room watching. Shit, look, there's fucking aliens flying around everywhere. We thought those were aliens. They were alive. Look at these things. They were invisible snakes. Remember?
Starting point is 03:05:19 Yeah, look, we were convinced that there's these things. Thank God there was no Twitter back then. Thank God. They would have kept bringing that shit up. It's so stupid. That's proof that if we get debunked proof They were not like married to it. I'm not married to that But we were like is your possible show me you can't see with your eyes and you need a video cam to see it Whoa, we were thinking that like science hadn't discovered and then went but then you know what one time we were like Where are the dead ones?
Starting point is 03:05:44 Where's all the dead ones? Where's all the dead ones? They're like flying fish. Do they live forever? What if it's real? I'm going to relive rods. Maybe that monster's thing was bullshit. I don't think so.
Starting point is 03:05:57 I'm pretty sure it's real as fuck. I'm going to be a rod guy. But you imagine if you're the poor dude who made that documentary and you've got all this money invested in those rods. I never hear anybody talk about rods. No, they're done. Someone did come up to me and say, hey, have you heard that conspiracy theory where there's no forests?
Starting point is 03:06:12 Have you heard about this? There's a conspiracy theory where there's no forests. Look into it. No? So just no forests. You love these things. I'm like, I don't know what that is really. I didn't even look.
Starting point is 03:06:23 I watched 30 seconds, because someone in class told me. Right. Ziggy came and goes, have you heard that conspiracy theory about Noah? I go, what? I went home and I put no forest and I watched 13 seconds and I just stopped it. Have you seen the one where the dude said the dinosaurs aren't real? Have you seen that one?
Starting point is 03:06:45 That, I don't know. I don't know. That's like some other shit where I'm like, I don't believe any science. I don't believe anything. The only science I believe is you rub two sticks together and there's fire. That's other than that. You got to prove that shit to me. That's like a Boy Scout merit badge type deal. I'm going to ignore that shit.
Starting point is 03:07:02 All you got to do is just tobacco science. What about that? You think that shit's gone? You think tobacco science is gone? It's stronger than ever. That's one of the weirdest things. It's tobacco science. It's one of the weirdest things that politicians don't talk about. If you really stop and think about all the threats they talk about to this country
Starting point is 03:07:18 and the people and our health, and they'll even discuss drugs, but alcohol kills way more people than illegal drugs. And for sure, cigarettes kill way more people than alcohol. And so you'll occasionally hear a politician discuss underage drinking or drinking and driving. But will they ever discuss abstinence and professing their hope for abstinence? No fucking way.
Starting point is 03:07:48 You mean abstinence from what? Alcohol. Oh. From alcohol. I thought you, okay. They're never going to propose that, right? They're definitely never going to talk about cigarettes. Cigarettes is their dirty friend that murders.
Starting point is 03:07:58 That's the giant elephant in the fucking sky. Dude, they got a dirty friend that kills 500,000 people every year. That's a clear example of why you should be a conspiracy theorist well that is right there that is an absolutely fascinating conspiracy that's a fascinating and that's in your face and no one says shit in your face no one no one even talks about nobody talks about and you know what anytime see that one i'm on board with you know what there's got to be some money in there somewhere. This is me guessing. I know this. I know that.
Starting point is 03:08:26 Sometimes greed will actually result in something beneficial to mankind. Sometimes it does. In one instance, seatbelt laws. Seatbelt laws. It looks like government was trying to take care of us and they really were concerned with our health. like government was trying to take care of us and they really were concerned with our health but when you looked into the seat belt law and the helmet law for motorcycles in california it was the insurance companies paying for all that uh the bill because they thought it was cheaper you know what if you didn't have if you got an accident you weren't wearing your seat belt if you turned
Starting point is 03:09:01 into a vegetable you're expensive all those accidents with no seat belts were costing these insurance companies gazillions so it was better to make them wear seat belts then it wasn't as expensive to pay for these bills they don't they don't have as much as many vegetable bills and shit overall it makes sense so that when you find that out i'm just guessing here when you see those tobacco commercials where I seen the latest tobacco commercial with some some African-american girl who's like she's rapping poetry no music and it's all like being super ultra Street She's in an alley. She's like, you know, I don't all I do is just go out there and do my thing I ain't gonna smoke I gonna do that thing, you know, just talk stupid rap not stupid rap, but just I take that back
Starting point is 03:09:45 It was amazing rap. It was amazing work, but it was all about not smoking. I'm cool. I'm not gonna smoke I'm okay. I'm in the street yo I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing I bet if you look into that it's the same thing I bet the insurance companies have figured out that Us diseases from smoking are expensive as fuck. We got to stop this. This is crushing us. That's me guessing.
Starting point is 03:10:10 I don't know. But do they really care if we smoke? Fuck no. Why is this on? It must be some, you must be able to follow the money. That's me guessing. But of course I'm wrong. Well, there's definitely billions of dollars in cigarettes.
Starting point is 03:10:24 Think about that. People, they buy so many cigarettes all over the world. To shut that business down, you've got a real problem. I mean, there's a lot of people invested in that business. There's distribution companies. There's people that make those things. There's people that like those things and are going to get them in the dark market. They're going to figure out a way how to get them in the dark market, the black market.
Starting point is 03:10:44 But you can't make things illegal because you can't tell people what they can and can't do. If somebody wants to smoke cigarettes, they should be allowed to. But it's just real weird that the government professes to care about us, but doesn't bring up this one thing that kills a half a million people every year in this country alone. Millions, millions worldwide. One cool thing that that was another law, the cigarette law, where you couldn't smoke inside. That was one of those fucking laws
Starting point is 03:11:09 that was beneficial for humanity, but was rooted in money. Somehow, it just turned out that it was actually a good thing for us. Helmets are a good thing. Seatbelts are a great thing. You don't want people like, people that say,
Starting point is 03:11:22 I don't want the government telling me I have to put a seatbelt on if I didn't want to wear a seatbelt. I go, dude, if you don't wear a seatbelt, you get in an accident. You turn into a vegetable. You're going to have people that you love that are going to have to wipe your ass. You want to put a fucking seatbelt on so they don't have to wipe your ass, dude. You know what I mean? Take care of yourself.
Starting point is 03:11:40 That should be a meme. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, definitely. It's safer to wear a seatbelt, for sure. it's safer to have a very big sturdy car you know yeah there's a lot of safers you know most likely but uh yeah it's it's um it's it's weird because i'm a believer that people should have personal freedom you should be able to do whatever you want but i think that when it comes to like young kids they're too likely to do stupid shit if you allow them to.
Starting point is 03:12:07 And cars, it's a one-mistake stupid shit and you're fucked up for life. It's not worth it. We should enforce it in any way we can. But that's sort of the same way I feel about cigarettes. We should kind of figure out how to enforce that. That's not a smart thing to get involved with. Would you be opposed to a law that made it illegal? No.
Starting point is 03:12:27 Seriously illegal? No, no, no, no. Something else. Illegal to be paid all day to go out and spew propaganda on a certain subject. Would you vote on a law? Would you pass a law to make that illegal? I'm confused. And to be illegal to pay someone to get online to shill.
Starting point is 03:12:50 To pay someone to lie about something? Yeah, to lie on internet. That should be illegal, right? Especially if it's a government, right? Wouldn't that save a lot of things? Anybody. If it was a serious crime to get paid to get online and spew propaganda, I think everybody would say, yeah. That should be really illegal. It should be really illegal for a company to pay someone.
Starting point is 03:13:08 So if you were going to do that, that ought to be some underground black market ship. We're going to give you an envelope with fucking $2,000. We need to get you in the fucking, here's the online. You got an IP address. You got to run. You know what I mean? It's got to be super illegal to do that, right?
Starting point is 03:13:20 I think it's too easy because everyone's talking about, oh, the internet, there's so much information out there we can find the truth but also it works against you yes you can find the truth but you could also get strategically flooded with misinformation strategically and that's what companies are doing they will strategically hire people to sway opinion and then and then and then put it under science daily dot com or science whatever dot com. That's been confirmed that that's been done with climate change. You've seen that documentary, Merchants of Doubt?
Starting point is 03:13:53 It's really interesting. It's about a bunch of guys who get paid. And coincidentally, these two subjects are actually connected. They used to get paid for going on these talk shows and disputing the fact that cigarettes are addictive and that cigarettes cause health problems. They would dispute these things. How old was that? They were doing it in the 70s and the 80s. Okay.
Starting point is 03:14:13 Tobacco science. Yeah. And so then these guys from then, then went to climate change later in life. The same people are trying to debunk climate change. in life. The same people are trying to debunk climate change. And they have these things where they'll show the same people that were involved in trying
Starting point is 03:14:30 to debunk cigarettes causing cancer and being addictive. The same exact people are trying to say climate change is just a cycle. It's just the way it is. It's always going to be this way. Do you think that is a sign that something fishy
Starting point is 03:14:46 is going on? Oh, for sure. Of course. That's like basic detective shit, right? And they're using these... What's going on, Jamie? You guys are talking about this. Google put the propaganda ban being lifted up. I thought you were talking about Mickey Rourke. No, no, no. You got Mickey Rourke playing on two screens here and he's screaming at people and they keep showing it. That's Mickey Rourke?
Starting point is 03:15:01 Look who wrote this article. That's Mickey Rourke. Have you seen him wrote this article. That's Mickey Rourke. Have you seen him lately? Oh, shit. He's gotten very weird. Can you rewind that? Congressmen seek to lift propaganda ban. It happened in the NDA, but Michael Hastings is the one that was writing about this.
Starting point is 03:15:15 Oh, my God. Propaganda was supposed to target foreigners, could now be aimed at Americans, reversing a longstanding something, something, something. Can you scroll over? Yeah, I'll show you the other thing. It's okay. It's right here is what he said about it. Oh, my God. It's called the Smith Modernization Act. Reversing a long-standing something something something key scroll Okay
Starting point is 03:15:26 My god the Smith month modernization the new law would give sleep sweep The new law would give sweeping powers to State Department and Pentagon's push television radio newspaper and social media onto the US public It removes the protection for Americans as a Pentagon official Who is concerned about the law it removes oversight from the people who want to put out this information. There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false. That's so crazy. That is so fucking crazy that they just try to make bills where they will out and out lie about things.
Starting point is 03:16:05 Like that's their strategy for dealing with terror is to create a feeling of total imbalance in this country. Like whether or not it's effective or not, like as far as a longterm strategy for freedom, it's one of the worst ideas ever to say, we, as your elders, your daddy and mommy of the government, we're going to look over you,
Starting point is 03:16:26 and we're going to tell you about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, and we're just going to make shit up. We're going to make shit up for you. Make it all up. And we think we should be able to because we know better than you because we were elected, allegedly. That's what's going on. Well, we have the information, Eddie Bravo, and I don't think you have that information. But if you look at sciencedaily.com, shit, if you look at that, they got the truth there. That's it's right there.
Starting point is 03:16:48 It says science. Did you see what happened with that fucking Dr. Drew show? Dr. Drew talked the other day about Hillary Clinton having a brain injury. He talked about it on TV and what her brain injury was and how dangerous it was, what she was taking. And he didn't agree with her treatment and they canceled his fucking show canceled his fucking show dr drusso canceled days after host gives negative speculation about
Starting point is 03:17:16 hillary clinton's health are you shocked or something dude people are dying all the time did you know i'm just saying like this some wide open shit. Did you know how many astronauts died in 1968? Two. Eight. And then two more in 69. What happened? What are they doing?
Starting point is 03:17:33 Flying into space. Accidents. Dude, you imagine getting all of them early days rockets. These were guys that were going, what do we practice?
Starting point is 03:17:39 They're like taking them through the drills going, wait a minute. Do you think, remember the guy who hung the lemon? You know all about that shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:17:46 Did you know eight fucking died in 1968? Eight, 11 total, 11 astronauts dead. Three in the fire that happened in the capsule during testing. And then a car wrecks, a random plane accidents. All guys that were saying we are not going to the goddamn moon. I understand what you're saying, but as a voice of reason, or as a skeptical voice, I would like to know, I'm not saying one way or the other, but I would like to know what the numbers for astronauts normally are in dying,
Starting point is 03:18:20 in test piloting rockets and shit. That's a good question. I mean, I'm not saying that they didn't... That dude's family still believes they whacked him. That dude from... The guy who hung the lemon on the lamb... What the fuck was his name again? And the one inspector, the NASA inspector that testified in front of... Congress. Congress and said, listen, we're not going anywhere.
Starting point is 03:18:39 He got suicided. He parked his train on a track with his family... Or parked his car on a train track with his family in it Now that doesn't seem That doesn't seem fishy to you? Oh it fucking for sure does That doesn't seem fishy to everybody? Like wait a minute I pushed a lot of that stuff just out of my head
Starting point is 03:18:55 I'm like I don't even want to deal with it anymore Because it was so frustrating A lot of the That's what's going on right now The JFK stuff Go over the JFK stuff and it makes your head hurt. That's real life Game of Thrones. That's real Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 03:19:09 There's so many characters in JFK. There's so many. Holy shit. It's like the ultimate. To learn all the mob guys that were involved and all the government people, the way it all went down. There's so much shit. That takes forever.
Starting point is 03:19:24 Where can I find this eight astronauts dying in 1968? I looked it up. We're just real quick. Yo, dude, they hit that shit from the man. Three of them died in a fire in 1967. Yeah, that was three. That's 67. Who was the guy who hung the limb on the lunar module?
Starting point is 03:19:40 Grissom. Yeah, Gus Grissom. Gus Grissom. He hung on. They all knew they weren't going. Do you remember the name of the inspector?om he hanged up they all knew they were remember the name of the inspector they knew they weren't going i don't remember the name of the inspector i'm surprised i used to be able to recite that shit but look into him too they killed him he was he was testifying he goes what are we doing here and you know and it caught i think it cost 30 billion
Starting point is 03:19:59 dollars or something to adjusted i think that's adjusted to American dollars. Yeah. A lot of money. All that shit, like the fence. Here's another example, like the fence. The fence, congressmen lobbied for it. I don't know exactly how it got passed, but they got paid like $3 billion to build that fence. Which fence? The fence that separates Mexico from the United States all the way across the Southwest.
Starting point is 03:20:20 They never finished it. They got paid for everything. It's so not finished. It's like half finished finished and they just abandon it you know what that was it was a money grab it was simple political we create all this funding for something
Starting point is 03:20:31 and then fucking skim pay for some of it but then if it falls apart no one even keeps track of it there's a documentary called The Fence will blow your fucking mind they never finished it
Starting point is 03:20:40 they abandon it it's deserted Mexican dudes are going what are these Americans doing they're interviewing Mexicans. They're just like, this is easy. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 03:20:49 But that's what it is. Like anytime they put a satellite into space, fucking $35 million. They go, we need a satellite for more telecommunications. They fucking launch some shit.
Starting point is 03:20:57 Who knows what that satellite's doing? They got paid. They do it all the goddamn time. It's a scam. It's mafia politics. I'm with you up to a point. I lose you when we went from Mexicans
Starting point is 03:21:06 getting across the border, no fence, to satellites. I'm talking about scams. We got into satellites. Scams. It's all a scam. Okay. But the Mexican one, yeah, why didn't they finish that? How much money do they need to finish that fence? But the problem is they dig holes. Even if you finish the fence. They could have, but they never
Starting point is 03:21:22 even finished. They just go around. They film the documentary. How much is left? How much fence is left? How have but they never even finished yeah they just go around the they just feel the documentary is like they show me how much is left how much how much fence is left how much do they leave behind i don't know and enough not to have enough to have made what they put up a complete waste of time well when trump gets into office the fence is going to get 10 yeah 10 foot higher did you see that uh new. Did you see that New York Times thing? They're coming after him today. They're talking about racial bias and renting houses and stuff, renting property. You know what's funny?
Starting point is 03:21:56 It's so crazy. He's so close to being the president of the United States. He's not going to win. You don't think so? 100% he's not going to win. What if he does? Do you think they're killing him? He's not going to win. It's so obvious. It's so obvious. Hillary's going to win. You don't think so? 100% he's not going to win. What if he does? He's not going to win.
Starting point is 03:22:05 It's so obvious. It's so obvious. Hillary's going to win, dude. 100%. You think so? 100%. It's so obvious. Trump's just there to say whatever.
Starting point is 03:22:15 He's super smart. And he just says whatever. He says whatever it takes to win a certain debate. And he just goes off. They're letting him go off. They said go off. Get crazy. So now the former head of the CIA, there's a, there's a video where it says, uh,
Starting point is 03:22:30 head of CIA denounces Hillary and Trump. Really? He's denouncing Trump. He's crucifying Trump. And when they ask about Hillary, he says, uh, you know, I got a lot of issues with Hillary, but you know, she, she is better than Trump. And in a lot of ways, she's better than Obama, too. But I got my issues with Hillary. But Trump, that dude. So really, if the head of the CIA is bearing Trump, they want Hillary to win really, really bad. And if they want Hillary to win, trust me, Hillary is going to win. That's all just sad.
Starting point is 03:23:00 Okay, let me play devil's advocate and conspiracy theorist at the same time. If he did win, they should be fucking terrified because if donald trump actually does win and gets into office and actually gets to explain he's a loose cannon he's not playing by their fucking rules if they pull him aside and tell him some crazy shit about afghanistan or rwanda or africa well whatever it is about the world, who knows what protocol he's going to follow as far as how he decides to react to that information. Who knows what government organizations
Starting point is 03:23:34 he's going to try to disband. He's a wild man. He might slash and burn. The way Hillary won California, this is just me, I don't know shit, but this is my guess. The way she won in California, and the way, remember George W. Bush won in Florida. Remember that one scam?
Starting point is 03:23:50 Yeah, the particle. The way they did that. Particle. Whatever was involved in that shit is going to be involved in the main shit this year. And Hillary's going to win. That's my prediction. With the hanging Chad. That's what it was, right?
Starting point is 03:24:02 Well, you might be right. You know what, man? It's just weird that this is all the Republicans have. and it's weird that this is all the Democrats have. I think that's the way they planned it. It's perfect. Well, I don't know. I don't think there's very many people who want to be a president anymore. I think Trump is on their side, and he's playing along.
Starting point is 03:24:20 He's just being obnoxious and being crazy. That son of a bitch. And then no one's going to be sad when he loses. When he loses when he loses no one's gonna be sad it's not the worst theory in the world crooked hillary i love it how he comes up with names to them like lion ted they're letting him go off because he seems legit because they know it doesn't matter it doesn't matter he's going down there there's no way he's gonna win jamie kill this tmz sports it's distracting the fuck out of me these These gentlemen are getting into trouble and they're causing ruckuses
Starting point is 03:24:48 and it's, uh, they know how to, like, keep you paying attention to that shit. Those TMZ sports shows, it's just smash cut, smash cut, why is she crying, limo, door open, cop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, shit, black and white, punch, scuffle,
Starting point is 03:25:03 tackle, whoa, TMZ sports, drug, drug drinking, Black and white Punch Scuffle Tackle Whoa TMG sports Boom Bitch Girls grabbing hair You can just make a recipe I need a picture A shot of a girl
Starting point is 03:25:12 Throwing a drink in a guy's face It's like hypnosis though man Like you get stuck Like I'm talking to you Girl slapping bouncer And I'm watching all this Go on in the background I'm like whoa whoa whoa
Starting point is 03:25:20 Whoa What's happening back there It's funny how you get Like you were the one Who explained that to me once, the first time, about music videos. That music videos have to be like smash cuts. You got to go from one scene to the next scene to the next scene to back and forth. You can't have anything play on for a long time.
Starting point is 03:25:37 People just stop paying attention. Yeah. And the less continuity, the better. The only reason they keep going back to certain sets is because they only could afford Seven sets, but really the ultimate video would be you never go you use every set just one shot Yeah, and that would be the ultimate but you gotta have seven and you threw it's a three-minute video shit We got to hit that set like maybe six times each. You know what I mean? So that's how the videos are just
Starting point is 03:26:04 Just we got to bombard you with shit and it goes everything's cut to the music nice and fast and there was a lot of bands that became like real visual dudes driving in cars you got to have a video with you someone the singer driving you know dmx has a video of him driving it's the ultimate video of him driving. It's like some weird Sin City type special effects. I forget what song it is. Fuck. But it's so good. God damn.
Starting point is 03:26:32 Do you ever seen the one where the best, one of the best gifts, animated gifts of all time is 50 Cent sitting in a drop top Bentley and he like throws his head back and laughs and drives off. He's in this super dope, probably like, how much is a drop-top Bentley? Like $400,000 or something crazy? It must be something crazy, right? You would know. I would say $150,000.
Starting point is 03:26:56 Yeah, he pulls up. This guy has a dope car, and here, 50 Cent pulls up to him and looks at him. Oh, it's the dude from, it's the turtle guy from Entourage. He looks at him. Yeah, from Entourage. I pulled up next to 50 Cent once. He had a driver behind him trying to cut me off to
Starting point is 03:27:10 make sure to protect him. He was dropping in a convertible just like that. While I was filming the DVD mastering the rubber guard while this was like 10 years ago, while we were driving around and dudes filming me as I'm driving and I'm talking about jujitsu and we pull up and we we're like there's 50 cent It's crazy. Some cars are so crazy You remember when you saw them like I was on the front of the front of the Comedy Store once and a Bugatti Veyron Drove up. Oh You ever seen one of those it's worth it's more than a million dollars only in that video I I woke up in a new Bugatti
Starting point is 03:27:42 I woke up in a new Bugatti I woke up in a new Bugatti That's a great song by the way That's Ace Hood Holy shit That's the only time I've ever seen a Bugatti How much did it cost? It's over a million bucks I don't know how much it cost
Starting point is 03:27:56 I woke up in a Bugatti That's the chorus It's the craziest car ever It's like You know what it's like? The inside of it Yeah The inside of it is like Some sort of a time machine, some futuristic time machine.
Starting point is 03:28:09 It doesn't even seem like a real car when you're inside it, when you see the interior and the way it's all constructed. It's all handmade with these crazy gauges and just beautiful leathers, but it doesn't look like any other modern car. It looks like someone from the H. hg wells days who was trying to draw like a future supercar you would draw some weird bugatti veyron type spaceship thing it's very interesting it's very much its own kind of car but it's stupid expensive and insanely fast i think it has more than a thousand horsepower which is just it's faster than a motorcycle 1200 horsepower
Starting point is 03:28:45 yeah what's the fact where are we at right now with motorcycles zero to 60 and what they just disappear they just vanish they travel through time
Starting point is 03:28:53 what's the record two seconds no it's probably less than that zero to 60 in one second yeah dude they have these cars now that are doing it in less than three
Starting point is 03:29:01 like regular cars you can go and buy at the store no well I think the Tesla does it very quickly. What's the latest with that? They got some new shit coming out? How fast does a Tesla go 0-60? I was thinking about the Porsche 911 Turbo
Starting point is 03:29:14 S. I think it does it in 2.8 seconds 0-60. Does it ever get to 1? Does that happen? Yeah. If it got as far as it got, it's going to get to that. It's going to get to 1. It's going to get to one. But there's going to be a lot of G-force in that. That's not an easy thing to deal with.
Starting point is 03:29:31 The 2017 Model S can do it in 2.5. Jesus Christ. That's a 911. No, the Tesla. Oh, Tesla S. 2.5? 2.5. Is that faster than a motorcycle?
Starting point is 03:29:41 I don't think so. I think a motorcycle could still do it in the two-ish range. How cool is that Tesla car, huh? Finally an electric car that looks cool. How about it drives itself? How does that work? It has cameras. It's reading the ground
Starting point is 03:29:55 and the distance around it. That's faster than a lot of motorcycles on this list. Is it really? Yeah. What about like a Hayabusa? Prilla is on. Hayabusa is a motorcycle?
Starting point is 03:30:04 Hayabusa. Well, is on. Hayabusa is a motorcycle? Hayabusa. Well, shit. I thought that was just great MMA apparel. It is great MMA apparel, but it's also a bird, a very fast bird. Hayabusa. I think it's fast. What's the fastest bird ever? I think it's the Paragene Falcon.
Starting point is 03:30:21 I think there's a falcon that goes like 200 miles an hour. I did a commercial for them once where I was like... For the falcons? For Hayabusa. What do you got here, Jamie? Is that it? Fastest bird in the world? 242 miles an hour. What? Holy shit.
Starting point is 03:30:38 Which of course makes it the fastest bird on earth. What it does is it looks for a critter to jack and when it's flying around it finds one that it wants to fuck with and then it dive bombs and just achieves insane speed i guess it like just flaps its rings really quick it's hard to the perspective it's like you'd see a video on it but it's hard to like grasp how fast it's actually moving it doesn't seem to make sense when you're looking at it it just looks like it's hard to like grasp how fast it's actually moving it doesn't seem to make sense
Starting point is 03:31:05 when you're looking at it it just looks like it's going fast you don't have any perspective you're not on the ground but if like flew by you when you're on the ground you're probably like what the fuck it's a rod like that's faster than any car i've ever seen like what's a fast car 250 miles an hour it's got to be like what thoseCAR guys do, right? I don't even think they go that fast. That's like a Formula 1 speed, right? How fast does NASCAR go? 180.
Starting point is 03:31:34 Eddie Bravo hates standards. That's one thing me and Eddie Bravo do not have in common. Oh, stick shift? Standard manual stick shift cars. It's 2016. This ain't the Flintstones. How dare you? I how dare you i love them i love them okay i buy certain cars that are older just because they have stick shifts i like that they're it's engaging but you you like associate it with man i don't have to shift
Starting point is 03:31:57 these fucking i just want to chill and listen to music i don't have to fucking shift gears this ain't the fucking i get. Most people think like you. Nothing wrong with thinking that way, man. For me. You should get an engine with a fucking front crank. No. That would be the coolest shit. That's not what I like.
Starting point is 03:32:16 I like to start my fucking engine manually. There's a zen state that you achieve when you're shifting through the gears yourself and you're revving the engine up to a certain point and you're all tuned in to the action of the car. Whereas a lot of people in those kind of cars they don't even listen to music the music becomes like the the mechanics of the vehicle the engineering the way the tires grip the road you feel it in your ass you shift the gears and you lift up the clutch and you give it the gas and you hear the and you become attuned with the machine and you start feeling where the machine's going and it becomes more of like an exercise in stimulation than it does just driving but i like driving too like i like driving in a fucking a big suburban like i rented a suburban
Starting point is 03:32:58 this past weekend dude you ever drive one of them big cushy ass fucking boats no but i saw like this bro is driving did it have its own built-in vacuum like i saw a minivan the new fucking lumineer or something has a its own what a great idea right idea if you have kids shit super smart that's actually wicked smart yeah no they um there's uh those suburbans they're like uh they have that Cadillac Escalade suspension, but it's just cheaper trim, doesn't look as fancy, but it's a nice car. I rented one of those, man. They drive so comfortable. They're so relaxed.
Starting point is 03:33:35 It's like the way I go over bumps and shit. Cars of today are so goddamn good. I was thinking when I was driving this Subur's like a 2016 suburban i was like if you got in a 1950s mercedes and you're like this is the shit right now this is as good as it gets and you got in this thing you're like whoa leather seats oh real wood handle you know you'd be driving this thing around thinking it's incredible i got the top of the line mercedes man and then someone shoots you to 2016 and puts you in a regular family truck, like a Suburban, which is just this big, huge ass hunk of metal. And dude, it floats over the road. It has this feeling when you hit the brakes, like it's just engineered to stop quickly for this big fucking tank.
Starting point is 03:34:20 Even though it's gigantic, it handles good for a big, gigantic thing. It's like comfortable to drive. Yet it doesn't look that different than the cars from the 60s like if the cut the shape we got tires oh yeah they got tires generally generally the the biggest thing a guy would trip on if he got jumped on the time machine from the 60s to now wouldn't be the car so much as it's still fucking tires you guys aren't flying yet we still got it's still fucking tires. You guys aren't flying yet. It's still round. The four tires. You still have four.
Starting point is 03:34:51 They would trip out on the phones more than the cars. The phones would be like, what the fuck? We're connected with the world. This is our connection to everybody. It's funny. There's some shit that's just too risky. Like air balloons. They never fucking got that shit perfected.
Starting point is 03:35:05 Nobody was ever going, hey, here, you know, with air balloons, there's fucking got that shit perfected. Nobody was ever going, hey, here, you know, with air balloons, there's no fresh shower, Bob. You just start up the fire, fill up the balloon, fly home. It's no big deal. Like, well, it's not that accurate today, but hey, you use the exercise. You walk a few miles from your home.
Starting point is 03:35:20 You land your balloon as close as you can to your home, and then we're all just floating through the sky and the air. No way. People are like, fuck, man. You got to get get that down but there's no funding to get it down because nobody's buying any fucking hot air balloons and every now and then like there's a big accident in texas like really recently i'm an air balloon in texas in an air balloon yeah caught fire and everybody died and it was uh quite a few people i don't remember what the what the actual number was but i want to say it was something like it might have been like seven people or something died wouldn't the more more Jamie wouldn't the court was it 14
Starting point is 03:35:51 16 people Wouldn't the coolest thing to do really as a human don't you put up a video Jamie don't you put that fucking evil on me He's reaching for the video button. Don't fucking do it, man. I don't want to watch that flaming ball fall to the ground. What would be cooler than hand gliding as a hobby? Think about that. Hand gliding to me is what killed Hollis Gracie. Super dangerous. Or Holes, right?
Starting point is 03:36:16 Holes Gracie? The times that you did it and you didn't die, how cool would that be? That's the coolest shit ever, right? You're flying through the fucking air, no engine. You're gliding. Some guys stay up forever and they find these little hot tunnels. I mean, it's so dangerous.
Starting point is 03:36:32 Is it cooler than those wingsuits? I think the wingsuits might be doper. I think you fly more when you're gliding. You feel like you're flying more. You definitely fly more because you can catch the wind currents. Yeah, because you're dipping down. It seems like you're falling. Falling ain't as...
Starting point is 03:36:45 You're falling, but it takes a long time to fall. As opposed to staying up and actually flying and gliding. Look at this motherfucker. He's got a jetpack attached to wings. That's cool too. Let's see that shit. Jetpack flying wingsuit available to buy. Remember your bit? One for yourself. Jetpacks?
Starting point is 03:37:02 Yeah. Jetpack will soon be available to buy one for yourself. Holy shit. Fly anytime you want. Jetpack flying Yeah. Jet pack will soon be available to buy one for yourself. Holy shit. Fly anytime you want. Jet pack flying suit. People are going to fucking suicide bomb right into airplanes.
Starting point is 03:37:12 The girlfriend's going to be flying across the country to go fuck some new dude. They're like, this is it. I found the flight patterns right out of Burbank Airport. Holy shit.
Starting point is 03:37:20 Look at this. They're going to get dropped out of a plane and they're just going to fly right into 13C. They're going to time it perfectly. Look at this shit. Look at this. They're going to get dropped out of a plane and they're just going to fly right into 13C. They're going to time it perfectly. Look at this shit. She's going to, get an aisle seat, you bitch.
Starting point is 03:37:32 Dude's going to be in his footies on a fucking glider next to her plane. Goddamn. I think they just flew a plane. It went real slow, but it went all the way around the world on solar power. It was like 12 miles an hour. It was going super, super slow. It took like a month. That must have sucked.
Starting point is 03:37:46 How'd they get food? I don't know. They just slowly stayed up there with food? How much shit do you think you left up there? Why don't you have solar panels, Joe? How many times do you shit if you're going, it's being done, if you're going all the way around the world like that
Starting point is 03:38:00 and you don't have time to land to take a shit, how much shit do you actually drop off in that airplane there's a shithole in your in your outfit here's the thing you don't have to worry about the plane getting heavier because it's not like you're eating the food and then you're shitting the weight stays consistent like mass on an airplane is in a static state like mass on an airplane never decreases or increases unless they drop shit out of the plane. Solar Impulse 2 approaches Abu Dhabi. Huh. Wow.
Starting point is 03:38:30 So he really did. So he had stages. Okay. Which makes sense. Last stop. So he's doing it like stop at a time. That plane had solar panels? Is that what?
Starting point is 03:38:40 Are you serious? It was powered by solar panels. Now you said you're going to get solar panels. Now, when you put solar panels on your house, do you get off the grid and now you don't need it? You can get off the grid. Can you? You can, yes. But most people give that energy to the city, right?
Starting point is 03:38:55 Most people. How weird is that? The easiest way for you to do it is you're not independent. You're still connected to the grid. How weird is that? You develop your own power. Yeah, not only that. You've got to talk to Brian Callen about this.
Starting point is 03:39:06 Because Brian Callen was the first of us to do it, and he experienced a lot of bullshit. A lot of paperwork that you have to go through. A lot of red tape. They make it very difficult for you to get off the grid. It's really interesting. You can't just put solar panels? No? No.
Starting point is 03:39:22 Really? Yeah. Isn't that weird? He had to go through a long process before they let his equipment go live it's all really interesting man because but in their defense here's here's like i gotta do this i hate to do this people but i gotta do this oh shit um i don't know who's installing this electrical stuff and we live in fucking california where fires happen all the goddamn time so i don't necessarily think it's totally
Starting point is 03:39:45 unreasonable that someone doesn't look at the wiring and make sure if you're doing something completely radical, like getting off the grid and starting a, an independent power source, you got to connect to this house. Let's just make sure that you have your credentials in place. Let's just make sure that everything was done according to code. So this fucking house doesn't blow up and you don't burn to death in your sleep. You know, cause like these fires that people are having, they're not controlling these goddamn things too good there's no water man everyone where we live when we look around and you look around the hills like go drive up to panga canyon and look at all those hills go drive you know over i'll pass the 118 hey and straw
Starting point is 03:40:19 hey everywhere so when that crazy shit like happened, like if you talk to Michael Jai White. No. You know, he lives out there where that last big fire hit. Oh, shit. Yeah, and I was concerned. I need to get a hold of that dude. I saw that he was at Bellator. Yeah, I'm not concerned that he's hurt, but concerned that maybe his house was one of the many houses. I guess he probably would have heard about it in the news, but a lot of people lost houses up there, man.
Starting point is 03:40:43 A lot of people lost houses. And then San Bernardino, out where uh hobby is in that area they had a gigantic fire up there huge one they had one up near lake arrowhead like up away from lake arrowhead they had one they've had a few of these fucking things they had a giant one in um um san bernardino or not santa barbara rather did you see that one? But why would you get solar panels to give the power back to the city? Because it's more expensive to set up an independent system. So most people get to a point where they realize, oh, this is good, so I don't have to pay for power anymore. Eventually, my solar power will pay for itself. And if you have excess power, you could sell that power back to the city.
Starting point is 03:41:26 But this is the question. Why would the city give a fuck? Oh, my God, this guy has a house of solar panels. Let's try to get some of his power that he's collecting. I don't know if it's that simple. I don't know if it's that simple. Why would that even come up? I'm going to get solar panels to give you the power?
Starting point is 03:41:44 That doesn't make any sense. How would that come up? Well, let me me explain as far as i think i know it the way the grid works you know these power stations they contribute to the grid um there's there are instances sometimes where there's not enough power right like in the summertime where everybody's fucking acs going on and things blow remember those brownouts that went out where they shut off the power for different places you remember that i think what happens is the way the grid is set up and i'm fucking completely guessing here but i would guess that if all this power is connected if there is a grid that there's more than one contributing factor there's more than one contributing factor in powering the grid there's probably a plant. It's probably more than one thing.
Starting point is 03:42:25 It's probably a system of different power plants that power the grid. And it's possible, this is total guessing, but if you figure out how to make what's essentially a solar-powered generator, I mean someone's connecting a solar-extracting device that's generating electricity and you have an excess of it they could probably use it it's not i don't i don't know if it's that difficult i don't know but how come they're not interested in any of the power produced by gas generators that people have in their house they don't give a shit about that well gas generators first of all they have to constantly be restocked with gas. Solar is relying on constant power that's around all the time.
Starting point is 03:43:06 And gas generators are used by a lot of rural people for backups. Like I know a lady who lives in the mountains and she's got a setup where if her power goes out, there's a little switch that goes off and instantaneously she has a propane tank, a giant ass propane tank
Starting point is 03:43:20 that's like as big as this fucking room and it kicks in and that starts powering her heat because she lives in the in the in the mountains i wonder why this their city is this a conspiracy again no i'm just i'm just i've never heard of any well the solar is there a solar panel conspiracy i don't know it just it doesn't really work strange batteries it's just very strange that uh that would even come up. Solar panels for your house to give the energy to the city.
Starting point is 03:43:48 No, you only give what you're not using. Is that how it works? Are you sure? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. You're not doing it like you're farming electricity specifically for the city and you're pretending. I think that is the way it is. Well, you're using the power and some of it you sell back to the city.
Starting point is 03:44:06 But you're using the power. Okay. That's going to be your source of power. You're positive. Because I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but- But it could be that, too. It could be like all the power. They're going to give you the power that you're all hooked up with.
Starting point is 03:44:19 We're going to give you the free electricity, and then we're going to pay you a little extra, collect our shit, boom. We want that solar shit, and we'll give you whatever for this price. Well, of course, don't you think there's going to pay you a little extra, collect our shit, boom. We want that solar shit and we'll give you whatever for this price. Well, of course, don't you think there's going to be solar farms if it's profitable? It'd be easier for you because then you could just keep your plugs. You don't have to replug everything. Just give us all that power. But you don't replug
Starting point is 03:44:36 anything. You don't change anything. What does it say? The sun shines on solar panels generated by DC electricity. The DC electricity is fed into a solar inverter, converts to 240 volts, 50 hertz. 240 volt AC electricity is used to power the appliances in your home. Surplus electricity is fed back into the main grid. There you go.
Starting point is 03:44:54 Simple. Because this is, like, it's like a renewable resource. It's a constant resource. So that house right there has a solar panel energy from the solar panels back to the grid. No. Okay, it doesn't. No, it says surplus. See the bottom part?
Starting point is 03:45:10 The last dot, it says surplus electricity is fed back into the main grid. What that means is whatever they don't need. So if they generate a ton of electricity and they don't need all the electricity, like say if they have a lot of solar panels but they only have a two-bedroom house or a one-bedroom house, and it's just a small, comfortable place, they don't need all that power. They have too much of it.
Starting point is 03:45:32 Why is that confusing, man? It's confusing to me. They want that power, man. You got any extra power? That's not what it is, man. It's just like you got to get rid of it. Sounds crazy. I think it's like...
Starting point is 03:45:42 They got too much power? Them solar panels have too much power? Yeah, I think you can generate too much for what you can store. Okay, that makes sense. If it's a problem, we can't do this because then we collect too much and then it becomes a hazard. And then the city goes, okay, you could give us the extra. As long as we care about the people and we want to go solar. We want to go solar, so we'll take that extra shit you got, and we'll give you a little bit.
Starting point is 03:46:05 We'll give you a couple dollars for it, too. But don't stop the cause. It's all about solar. That's where we're going. Every time Eddie's having a conspiracy conversation with some imaginary executive, it's like a dude selling weed. It's like a dude selling weed. Yo, yo, yo, I know your situation, man, right?
Starting point is 03:46:23 You can't pay for an eighth, but you want an eighth, so I'm going to give you an eighth. And this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to give you an eighth, and I'm going to give you three days. And instead of that eighth being 50 bucks, it's going to be 65 bucks, dog. What you going to get it right now? I want you to buy a mama house. Dude, you got to get into this weed game. Weed game is amazing, dog.
Starting point is 03:46:42 It's amazing. Yeah, why aren't we in the weed game? We should have our own dispensaries. Because we want to stay out of jail in Bravo. We need to wait. I think at this point, we could have our own dispensary, man. Well, I think, honestly, it's too much work.
Starting point is 03:46:53 Joe and Eddie's. It's too much work. They can't use, here's the other thing, they can't use credit cards in a lot of these places still. Isn't that the case? They're transferring large amounts of cash. They're hiring ex-military guys.
Starting point is 03:47:02 What if we get some super billionaire guy or multi-millionaire guy to use our face? Would you sell? Just ask him for money. large amounts of cash. They're hiring ex-military guys. What if we get some super billionaire guy, too, or multi-millionaire guy to use our face? Would you sell a license? Just ask them for money. Just beg for money. They just want one picture. They want that one money shot
Starting point is 03:47:12 to hang in the front of me and you, like smoking a joint or something. Well, I'll do that. But that's what Cheech and Chong do, right? They'll do, like, some... They'll sell some fucking rolling papers or some shit. No, we need more stony.
Starting point is 03:47:22 We need that... We'd have to overact it. But don't you remember when Tommy Chong got put in the pokey? Yeah. Yeah. I think those days are gone. For bongs, bro.
Starting point is 03:47:28 I think those days are gone. I hope so. But you know what? I was really worried, man. I was really worried if Ted Cruz got in. I was like, the nuttiness could rise
Starting point is 03:47:36 to a whole new level. If you give people a bar, and this is what I've been saying that I like about Obama, whatever he did that people don't like, I understand. I get it.
Starting point is 03:47:44 I'm with you. I'm not even saying that. I'm not talking about his performance as far as what he's done foreign policy-wise. I'm talking about what he represents. When you see him on television, he's well-spoken, he's articulate, he went to Harvard, he's a bright guy, he seems like a guy
Starting point is 03:47:57 that you would think would be one of the smartest people that you're ever going to come across. Makes sense that he's running shit. If a guy like Ted Cruz or a lot of these other people that wanted to be president, especially people with wacky fucking religious ideas that just don't jive with anything that we know, if those people get into a position
Starting point is 03:48:16 where they have massive amounts of influence, people start getting really confused. And I didn't used to think that until the... Obviously, I've learned because I'm older, but I didn't think that that much until the Bush administration the Bush administration and then the 9-11 attacks made me go whoa like our consciousness is so much more fragile than I thought it was because I thought what we were like as Americans in the 90s before the 9-11 attacks during the Clinton thing I thought we were ridiculous in some ways
Starting point is 03:48:45 because of the whole Clinton-Monica Lewinsky thing, and there was definitely some fuckery going on in other countries, but it didn't seem like the world was unsafe. Like, it seemed like the world felt like we got over that Cold War shit with the Russians, we're going to be okay. The world felt safe. Like, you had this guy, even if he's full of shit
Starting point is 03:49:04 and he's getting his dick sucked, listen to him talk. He's obviously smart as fuck. You know, like maybe some, you know, maybe some people that are crazy get to the point where they're president. Some whip your dick out type dudes. Maybe people get crazy and they still get to the point where they're president. But obviously a very, very smart guy. Very well spoken. And then the Bush presidency came along.
Starting point is 03:49:26 It was so transparent. All along it was so transparent all of it was so transparent and then the the chain of cheney was essentially running the show and he was always in a bunker remember when cheney was always in the bunker he was always in a bunker there was always talking about cheney's hidden away somewhere in a fucking bunker and there was that wolfowitz dude hanging around and all these other fucking donald rumsfeld type characters all these merchants all these like war merchants they're all swarming around and then we're at war like all of a sudden we're constantly at war for like this massive massive amount of time and it still hasn't let up all these years later. Dude, 9-11 was 15 years ago. People jumping off buildings and just smashing into the streets. That just happened.
Starting point is 03:50:14 It was 2001, right? Yeah, 2001. That's 15 years ago. Yep. That's crazy. Like, we've been in a perpetual state of war for a sophomore's entire life. Sophomore in high school. Some kid who's...
Starting point is 03:50:30 There's kids that are, I think, freshmen this year are learning about it just through history books. They didn't experience it in one second of their life or something. Of course. Yeah, for sure. Well, most people that are even 10 and above, their parents are probably going to shield them from it for the most part when it's happening. 16 years ago. So anybody younger than 26 barely understands what happened. Barely.
Starting point is 03:50:52 That's fucking crazy. What a change of the world. So I get real nervous now. I get real nervous. I just don't think that the way we're doing it right now is appealing to anybody that we really want to run us there's a few people like Gary Johnson makes sense
Starting point is 03:51:11 that libertarian guy that we had in here he seems like a real person and he has real experience running New Mexico but I don't know enough I just don't know enough about politics I think you have to know it the way you know enough about politics. I don't know enough to really, I mean, I think you have to know it the way you know jujitsu.
Starting point is 03:51:27 I think you have to really know it. Like if some dude who's like a blue belt in Japanese jujitsu starts talking to you about wrist locks, you'd be like, bitch, you know, that's, that's what I am really when I'm talking about politics. I have like a skeletal understanding of the way the system works,
Starting point is 03:51:42 but I'm a four stripe white belt. Exactly. I'm going to get my blue. I would have had it already, but I might have a yellow belt if we're doing karate I might have just gotten my belt after I got my yellow stripe, but I was super pumped Finally my belt wasn't just plain white, but that's where it ends That's where it ends and so like if I'm talking to some yellow belt They're trying to talk to me about effective striking techniques. I get real irritable I like when you're listen when you ask someone's rank in jiu-jitsu, and they're trying to talk to me about effective striking techniques, I get real irritable. I like it when you ask someone's rank in jiu-jitsu and they go,
Starting point is 03:52:07 oh, I'm going to get my blue. I'm going to test for my blue. Poor bastard. I'm going to test for my purple. Blue, jiu-jitsu might be one of the only things that you really cannot possibly understand what's happening if you don't do it.
Starting point is 03:52:19 If you've never done it, you just are not going to know what's going on. You're just not going to know. You can have a little bit of an understanding, like here's an arm bar i've seen this transition to triangle before oh i've heard it said that if you uh commit too hard on that kimura and you don't have to control the legs the guy can counter with the far side arm bar a lot of people like
Starting point is 03:52:38 have these things in their head that they know to be true but they don't know it the way you know it they're not gonna know it the way you know it. They're not going to know it the way you know it. There's no way. They're not going to see things that you're seeing. When you're watching Damian Maia choke out Carlos Condit tonight, you're going through the path with him, right? Like when you're seeing it, yeah, you know the path. A lot of other people are watching it and they're in the middle of it. He's on top of him, smashing him.
Starting point is 03:53:00 He's getting on him. He's on him. Oh, he's on his back. Think about how few people can watch damian maya choke out carlos conda and see the path see the path he's going to take watch him execute it flawlessly see this jujitsu not just in like oh my god what is he doing but see every single step of the way well i think that there's just like jujitsu that's just the case with every fucking thing that exists in this goddamn world
Starting point is 03:53:28 somewhere someone has probably studied all their life to try to figure out how microphones work you or I have put virtually no thought into it whatsoever but luckily somebody did so we have this microphone that's how I feel about everything that's how I feel about astronomy that's how I feel about
Starting point is 03:53:44 the lunar rover on the moon that's how I feel about everything. That's how I feel about astronomy. That's how I feel about the lunar rover on the moon. That's how I feel about all these things. There's got to be somewhere out there that's got to be mad as fuck that two dumb stoners are talking about whether or not the rover is legit. And these fucking guys have been working on it their whole life. They've got scientific papers. They're pulling their hair out in the middle of the night doing Adderall, trying to figure out how to make the calculations perfectly
Starting point is 03:54:04 so this giant inflatable ball encompassed, or what do they do? Is it in cover? What happens? I think there's a giant inflatable ball, I don't know if they did it this way, that encases the entire machine. I saw that cartoon. Is that what it was supposed to be? It was a cartoon.
Starting point is 03:54:20 It's not real. Of course they don't. They should definitely send back some video. They don't have any video of that. Dude, there's people listening now are mad at us. I need proof. Too many lies. People are like, yo, bro, that UFC, bro?
Starting point is 03:54:31 Bro, that shit's fake as fuck, dude. That's just like WWE. It's WWE, but they've got some other tricks up their sleeve. And occasionally they hit each other. But dude, trust me, it's all fake. So this is what it was. I wouldn't care if someone said that. So parachutes came down.
Starting point is 03:54:44 Thin ass atmosphere, right? There's almost no atmosphere there actual footage right here. So it drops and then Explodes into the inflates into these big bouncing balls If that was in a movie you'd be pissed and then it has these things That try to slow it down these jets that shoot down and then it hits the ground and bounces Try to slow it down these jets that shoot down and then it hits the ground and bounces This looks like the shittiest fucking place to move to of all time. That's what Mars looks like It looks like the desert it works way worse than desert cuz you go to the desert you get gas There's a fucking highway going through it. It stops. We're gonna take a shit
Starting point is 03:55:22 Humans Very few spots if you land on earth you'd land on this probably more than a city. A city is, fuck, there's hardly no cities on this planet. Dude, I was camping in the Nevada high country just a week ago. Get on a plane and look down. You don't see that many cities. There's way more barren wasteland than anything. Well, when you're in the Nevada high country, you realize there's a reason why nobody fucking
Starting point is 03:55:43 built houses out here. Like, it's a hard, scrabble world. We were there, you know, like in August. And it's like 100 degrees during the day. It gets hot as fuck. You got to bring a lot of water with you. And at night, it gets down to the 30s. It's freezing.
Starting point is 03:55:59 Freezing at night. I mean, you freeze your fucking dick off. And there ain't shit up there. Just a bunch of deer and some rabbits. Some occasional streams. Sage bushes. It's a terminator right there. Are you looking at the video right now?
Starting point is 03:56:11 Because people are listening. They don't know what we're talking about. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're looking at the Mars rover landing on Mars. Maybe Bravo doesn't believe it. Well, this is not real. This is CGI.
Starting point is 03:56:20 Well, this is CGI. They have to explain where they are spending all their money. I like it. They're making this little robot arm come up. Which, for sure, if I was going to build a little robot arm, I'd make it bounce all over the fucking surface of the desert. Can you imagine if your iPhone was stuck in the middle of that ball and it bounced? For sure it wouldn't work.
Starting point is 03:56:39 This thing is robust. Strong wiring. Imagine if somebody fucked up one little wire and they landed it on the moon. That's happened before, hasn't it? Haven't they shot things all the way to the moon and forgot they turned them on? Or all the way to Mars and it didn't work?
Starting point is 03:56:54 They don't always work. Where's the video? They lose communication for months at a time and it just pops back on. Where's the video at? Well, the YouTube video is the most important piece of evidence. It could be on Vimeo.
Starting point is 03:57:10 It could be on Vimeo or MySpace. It doesn't matter. I like GeoCity's websites. Those are my favorite. They have the best info. Yeah, AngelFire. Yeah, man. It's interesting when you look at all the different websites today. How many websites are there?
Starting point is 03:57:26 If you had to guess. How many, like, different places could you go on the internet today, right now? One billion? Hmm. That makes sense. I bet that's right. I bet it might be higher. I was thinking, I think last night, there was a time on the internet, not that long
Starting point is 03:57:38 ago, where you'd have seen most stuff that has come through. You'd be like, oh, yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that picture. Like, you'd see a boobs. You'd be like like i know whose boobs those are but now there's just so much shit coming through literally every single day you can't even you couldn't catch up if you want to you made a point it's great for making like homemade documentaries too so you're like if you have a speech you got any speech you just want to just pour out all your thoughts and blogs or whatever you can actually anything that you're saying, you can punch it in Google
Starting point is 03:58:05 and just like have like a, like a low budget documentary. Everybody's doing those. You just collect all the pictures of what you're saying. You listen to someone speak or you or whoever and just listen to it once
Starting point is 03:58:16 and write notes. I need a picture of that. I need a picture of that. You haven't, you get all those pictures, line them up, boom, and you have a goddamn documentary.
Starting point is 03:58:23 Yeah. And then it's on YouTube and then you change the world yeah fuckers letting bitches know about rods you can do that shit on your phone now too which is even more interesting you can do a whole movie on video shop i'm on that shit a whole movie on your phone you could just make a movie you and your buddies you here hold the phone now and then you do your scene then he does his scene, you edit it all together. You know who does that a lot is Carla Esparza.
Starting point is 03:58:47 Does she? She's always making little tiny one-minute sketches. Good for her. Good for her. She's very animated. Nice. Women's fucking strawweight division heated up tonight. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 03:59:04 Paige Van Zandt jumping a roundhouse kick to the face. That was crazy. Okay, so Johanna is the champion. Yeah. And then who else is right there? Is there that Valentina chick? Yeah, Valentina Shevchenko. And also Thug Rose. No, Valentina Shevchenko.
Starting point is 03:59:18 I'm sorry. She's a bantamweight. 135? I'm thinking of, yeah. Because Valentina Shevchenko just beat Holly Holm. Remember? Here we go. Ooh.
Starting point is 03:59:29 Yeah, man. Jessica Andrade, she dropped down. Those are the top chicks? How come I don't recognize any of those girls? Damn. I don't know shit. I know Joanne Calderwood. Courtney Casey just won last week.
Starting point is 03:59:41 I know Courtney Casey. She's a badass. She's badass. Alex Chambers, Heather Jo Clark. This is the current rankings? That can't be because those top girls, I've never heard of them. But I've heard of all these. Amanda Cooper.
Starting point is 03:59:52 Oh, how dare you, Jamie. How dare you. So it's a random listing? Yeah, it's just random. My alphabet. Let's see. Do they have rankings? Here we go.
Starting point is 04:00:02 Okay. That's weird that they have it. Okay. Here we go. Women's straw weight. What do we got here? Blow that bitch up. What do they have rankings? Here we go, okay. That's weird that they have... Okay, here we go. Women's draw weight. What do we got here? Blow that bitch up. What do we got here?
Starting point is 04:00:09 Oh, yeah. Rose Namajunas. Karolina Kowalskiewicz. Claudia? Kowalskiewicz. Kowalskiewicz. I have to say that right. I always fuck it up.
Starting point is 04:00:19 Karolina Kowalskiewicz. Page is way down to 10? Yeah. Holy shit. Kowalskiewicz is the one who just beat Rose. That was a great fight. Rose just lost? Yeah, she just lost to K? Yeah. Holy shit. Kowalkiewicz is the one who just beat Rose. That was a great fight. Rose just lost? Yeah, she just lost to Kowalkiewicz.
Starting point is 04:00:29 Damn, I missed that one. And there's Tisha Torres. She's badass. So Carolina beat Rose? How did she beat her? Just a decision. Really good fight. Was that a five-round fight?
Starting point is 04:00:42 Why do I think that was a five-round fight? You think Ronda's coming back? Fuck yeah. How much money she'll make? Do you know how big it'll be when Ronda comes back? Right now, it could just be Ronda and Cyborg right off the bat. Right off the bat, and that would be the biggest fight ever. Even right now, even though she just lost.
Starting point is 04:01:01 Do you think she would do that? What do you think she would do? That would be the most gangster move right there. Just say fuck it. That would be the most gangster move right there. Just say fuck it. That would be the ultimate gangster. Ronda just said I'm coming back and it's me and Cyborg we're going to do 140. Let's fucking do this shit for a super bowl fight of all time. Let's do it. That would be
Starting point is 04:01:15 the gangster shit. That would be the gangster shit. Or you got to get home. Home right now. Home's like on a downswing. It's a perfect time for Ronda to come because for sure home ain't gonna turn down ronda so ronda is in control of that fight she can get redemption right off the bat do you think she does that or you think she goes straight to a title shot all three cyborg would be the biggest title shot would be big they're all be big but i think
Starting point is 04:01:41 cyborg would be the biggest and people would understand that she's not getting a title shot right away. Dude, Amanda Nunes is goddamn terrifying. She's terrifying. But her against Cyborg would be bigger. Yes. Even with that title.
Starting point is 04:01:54 A hundred percent. Her and Cyborg would be bigger than her and home. Amanda Nunes is legit as fuck, obviously, after she beat Misha Tate,
Starting point is 04:02:01 but she's going to have to have some more fights where people know about her more to get the big money fights, I think. You know, to get people, to get a Ronda to want to fight her. Everybody wants to see the Cyborg fight. Home and Ronda would be fucking mega.
Starting point is 04:02:15 You just base it all on the revenge, but Home did lose her last two fights, so that kind of could... Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. But for sure... Mickey Ward and Homeboy. The fuck he did. Turo Gotti. Like that trilogy that trilogy nobody cared they weren't the best in the world no one gave a fuck no one see that's what i think about this whole uh not that this is that connor's not one of the best in the world because he definitely is and so is nate um but like they fought for a non-title at
Starting point is 04:02:39 170 they didn't matter dana yeah dana thinks for some reason that that fight doesn't make sense to do it again i'm like oh my god are you crazy sense to do it again. I'm like, oh my God, are you crazy? Like, please do it again. Please. Like, if they want to do it, are they both saying they want to do it? Who the fuck doesn't want to see that fight again? And if he's got to give up the featherweight fight or the featherweight title to have that fight again, just give up the title.
Starting point is 04:02:59 Give up the title. Yeah, put that fight on again. Definitely. You don't want to see that again? Yes, but it'll happen regardless of Conor wins or loses his upcoming matches. It wouldn't even affect it. Like if he decided to fight
Starting point is 04:03:12 Why take chances? It doesn't matter. Even if he loses, it doesn't matter. That third fight is there. That third fight is always going to be there. Because if you put Conor against anybody at 55 right now, have him relinquish that title, give it back to Aldo, do 55, do anybody, do Magna Medoff.
Starting point is 04:03:29 That would be huge. Or Tony Ferguson would be huge. There'd be a lot of press on that. Tony Ferguson deserves that. And then also, you could just finish that. Rafael Dos Anjos, make that happen. Well, I think if he fights at 55, it's already been stated, he's going to fight for the title.
Starting point is 04:03:43 So he would go right to Alvarez. He would fight Eddie Alvarez That would be beautiful too. Oh, that would be beautiful. Holy shit would be beautiful That would be crazy many epic Matt did I'm telling you did Connors gonna buy a fucking island and shit. Yeah, probably couple islands. Yeah, probably have a UFO He's not gonna have pitbulls. He's gonna have he's gonna have What are those fucking hyenas hyenas? He's gonna rain is have pit bulls. He's going to have... What are those fucking hyenas? Hyenas, for sure.
Starting point is 04:04:07 He's going to have hyenas instead of pit bulls. Pet wolverines. He's going to drive a tank instead of a fucking... Any car. Once you see Connor in a tank... A gold foil covered tank. A tank in front of a castle with hyenas. Yeah.
Starting point is 04:04:20 Gold bars all around his bedroom. And a private jet, like Trump's private jet, which is like a 757. Just like a whole, not just a little jet, a whole goddamn jumbo jet for yourself. Do you know I know there's something wrong with Trump? Do you know how I know there's something wrong with Trump? Because he was eating Kentucky Fried Chicken on his airplane with a fork and a knife. Was he?
Starting point is 04:04:40 Okay. That's a good sign. That's a flag. That ain't good. Tell me. Tell me what the fuck's going on there You're on you hang with the dude who eats Kentucky Fried Chicken with a fork and knife look at what's going on here What's going on here? He has class maybe is that what it is? Yeah, I'm a skeptic. I'm a skeptic
Starting point is 04:04:55 How do you feel about fork and knife Kentucky Fried Chicken? I feel like it's dudes who wear sneakers that don't have any socks on listen you stinky bitch Come back to America. There's no proof on listen you stinky bitch come back to america there's no proof doesn't that seem like a very product placement type little you're right it does do you think he got paid by kfc how dare you he's not eating a whole bucket to himself ah he might what happened on uh go off shit was it david letterman or i don't know he was on some talk show where they were calling him out on bringing out clothes from companies that he owned like where did you you're talking about the
Starting point is 04:05:30 China trade where'd you make this isn't this your shirt isn't this your company is that Seth Meyers show someone busted him out it must have been old because I'm thinking it's David Letterman and that must have been at least two years old or something yeah I don't know but he gets called out on the show.
Starting point is 04:05:46 He's bringing out clothing that Donald Trump owns. Yeah. Make America great again by hiring Chinese people to make you shirts. But you know what, man? He's saying whatever it takes. I have a friend. I have a friend who has some sort of a marketing business um where uh or a manufacturing business rather where they make uh uh clothes they make um like outdoor clothes like hiking and mountaineering
Starting point is 04:06:12 clothes and uh they say that they can't find a sew house in america that is up to the same standards as a sew house as they find in China because they do so much manufacturing. They're like, look, we would like to do this in America. But in order to have the very best quality of clothing, like you literally can't do what he's doing in America right now. That's pretty fucking weird. Like that's one of the scariest things that happened when they started shipping manufacturing overseas. It's like other places got way more manufacturing jobs right but they also were working for insanely low wages and living in the factories you know like that's one of the weirder things about buying products
Starting point is 04:06:58 like if you buy something from china like if you buy an iphone we all know it in our dirty little heart of hearts that there's nets all around those buildings to keep those people from jumping to their death, and they live there. And somebody actually, like, was arguing, well, you know, the statistic likelihood of someone committing suicide at one of those factories
Starting point is 04:07:17 is not that different than the statistic likelihood of people in the area committing suicide. And since they live and work in that factory it gives you a deceptive number of how many people who work in the fact plus nuts yeah what's the problem I was like yeah but the problem is they're killing themselves where they work how many people kill themselves when they work like worldwide like the numbers pretty fucking low
Starting point is 04:07:41 that's why it's weird when people jump to their death rather than go to work again, that's fucking weird, man. That's weird. Oh, were they smoking cigarettes when they jumped? Yes. Even weirder. They work as slaves to buy cigarettes to jump to their death while they're making iPhones. And people stare at them. On Viagra.
Starting point is 04:08:00 Yeah, they get Viagra and random boner pills. Foxconn replaces 60,000 factory workers with robots. Good news? I mean, kind of, right? Not really for those people that need that money. I don't know, man. That's the weird, slippery argument. I know these people that had a factory down somewhere in South America.
Starting point is 04:08:17 Make some clothes for this big company. And they were talking about how much money it saves them. I go, yeah, but doesn't it feel weird that these people are so poor and that they work all day in the factory like like i'm not trying to be mean or anything she's like well they didn't have that they would starve to death and i was like well would they really like how'd they get there in the first place is this the only option the only option is they have to work insane hours for shit money so they can make clothes so they could barely get by like that's the only option that sounds so close to slavery it sounds so close that it's just like an economic slavery it's a freelance slavery yeah
Starting point is 04:08:52 it's like they found that you know after a while slavery evolved into you wouldn't have to fucking house them we just pay them so they don't think they're slaves and then let them house themselves they're barely going to be able to afford anything so they got to work all day perfect now we can keep our barn for our fucking animals if they came up with basic income here in america like if they they instituted like a living wage you know like whatever the whatever it would be and then uh then we started not doing that and like not doing that to other parts of the world like if america got to a point whatever the point is like 25 bucks an hour 20 bucks an hour whatever it needs to be where you could totally survive off of where you can't pay anybody less than that because they can't survive like it's been determined like this is like a reasonable amount
Starting point is 04:09:32 that you could pay someone with their time the difference between that money and how much money you can spend in a third world country hiring people to make your shit, it's staggering. The amount more money that you make is staggering. It's just weird that we allow it. It's weird that we think it's okay. Like, it's over there, it's over there, it's over there. It's just my company. If it's your company, I'm like, fuck it. This is my company.
Starting point is 04:09:58 I don't give a shit. Well, it's weird we have, like, boundaries. Like, we're okay if it's across the dirt or if it's across the water. It's okay. But if it's inside of us, we would okay if it's across the dirt or if it's across the water, it's okay. But if it's inside of us, we would never allow it, right? Like think of the United States of America, right? The United States of America from New York to Los Angeles, this big open, there's a lot of crazy shit in there. There's a lot of places where there's no people living. If somehow or another they establish some sort of manufacturing in the middle of the country out
Starting point is 04:10:23 there and paid people a dollar a day and Had them working like slaves and living in these buildings and jumping off the roofs. We would never tolerate it Because it's inside of our dirt patch, but if it goes across the water to the other dirt patch like outrageous meanwhile For sure with us buying these things We're directly responsible for them being able to have such a factory in the first place and everybody's like well everybody else is doing it and we just keep doing it those factories learned how to use the internet man they're fucking they bombard everybody in the jujitsu world about geese and rash guards and oh man i get these emails everyday
Starting point is 04:11:00 multiple ones all over China Pakistan everywhere They're trying to they're going to coming after people now it used to be that Only certain people had connections and you had to go there and find the connections and you're crazy stories about these guys in jiu-jitsu Like Scotty Nelson from OTM when you had to go to China deep in China find these factories and make these deals and Scotty Did all that yeah, he's got some nightmare stories, dude. In Pakistan. Oh, I can imagine. Crazy shit.
Starting point is 04:11:30 Taking crazy chances. Where he thought he was going to die. I believe it. He's got some stories. He told them my podcast. They were fucking nuts. Oof. I believe it, man.
Starting point is 04:11:37 Yeah. I believe it. Fuck that. Yeah, there's parts of the world that you're just not safe in. That's why when people come from those parts and they come back, they go, dude. Like, we got to keep this going. Whatever we got going on here, we got to keep this going. We can't let this thing erode.
Starting point is 04:11:53 Like, it's not perfect. United States isn't perfect. But the whole world is in a fucking turmoil right now. It's a sustainable, currently sort of sustainable turmoil, but it's in a turmoil, you know? I mean, this is a weird time to be a person. I think everybody realizes we're in some strange transitionary stage of being a human being, where human beings are aware of like infinitely more now than they were just a few decades ago. And we're evaluating everything about everything and putting it through this filter and trying to figure it out and going,
Starting point is 04:12:30 whoa, what kind of weird life are we living? This temporary existence, trying to sort out this impossibly complicated, fucked up world of political connections and one hand washing the other and the clinton foundation and all this we're in gotham fucking oh dude this is gotham i don't know if it's true but i'd love i love some conspiracy theories and one of them that i've been dabbling in is all these people that crossed hillary that turned up dead to business as usual fucking great the same shit
Starting point is 04:13:07 that's not somebody somebody had a meme that uh you are statistically less likely to get bit by a shark than you are to get killed by hillary yeah she's a gangster her and her husband those guys are fucking gangsters well do you think that they got... I would love to think that Dr. Drew was on the way out anyway. And then he got fired just coincidentally after he said that about Hillary. I think... I would like to think that. I think corruption in politics borrows a lot from the mafia. They work hand in hand most of the time.
Starting point is 04:13:42 And they like to make statements. Because when you look into it, you see people that are dying around Hillary. Dude, there's people that are dying around Bill and Hillary from back in the day. They get suicided. If you got suicided of some guy that was about to do, he was about to testify and then he gets suicided. But it's obvious it's not a suicide. It's like he got shot in the back of his head. It's a message.
Starting point is 04:14:03 It's a message. Just like the mafia. They're not going to just kill someone and make someone disappear. That's a it's a message it's a mess just like the mafia they're not going to just kill someone to make someone disappear that's a waste why make them disappear put them out and open cut out his tongue stuff his dick down his throat make give a message so that message is shut the fuck up we got the we obviously got the corner in our pocket so shut the fuck up they're all it's those kind of murders are everywhere. They're generally suicides. Well, how about that guy that got convicted?
Starting point is 04:14:28 Who's that guy, Hassert, that got convicted of child molestation? They only gave him 15 months. The guy that she was defending? Dennis Hassert. He's some, I want to say, he's some serious judge that got convicted of child molestation, pedophilia, child pornography. He's a house speaker. This is a crazy story.
Starting point is 04:14:55 I just tweeted a study about it that they were doing an investigation of it. Really scary stuff. They were doing an investigation of it. Really scary stuff. There you go. The first paragraph says what he did. Yeah. Enormous amount of tragedy surrounding revelations that former House Speaker J. Dennis Hassert sexually abused a number of young men whom he coached during his time as a high school teacher and wrestling instructor. But there's also an enormous amount of hypocrisy as the public words of a okay this is so this is him talking shit about bill clinton and monica lewinsky
Starting point is 04:15:29 but he the thing is that he only went to jail for 15 months like he uh he got an extraordinarily low sentence short sentence he gave back just try to find what the sentence is because there was a there's a bunch of criticism about it and there's a bunch of um really revealing aspects to it i don't know it's scary it's scary to think that someone could do that and only get 15 months because of political connections but it it makes sense, right? When I was looking up something, I forget the exact name right now. When I was looking through these a couple weeks ago, the deaths and some of the people that were killed and some of the weird things that were going on,
Starting point is 04:16:17 I'll try to find the guy's name, but he was one of the pardons from Clinton before he got out of office. And he was indicted by Giuliani for what was going to be the biggest U.S. tax evasion in history. Something like $60 million. He's a billionaire.
Starting point is 04:16:36 He basically bought his way out of his conviction. He had been... And then he turned up dead after that? He wasn't dead at all. This guy just bought his way out of going to jail. Yeah? Oh, okay.
Starting point is 04:16:49 So this is not a guy. He gave money to this and that. Yeah, man, you can do that. If you know the right people and you got the right kind of cash. You can't do it if you're Bob Wilson, camera repairman. You know, you don't have the kind of cash to pay these fucking people off. Mark Rich was his name. Yeah, if you You know, you don't have the kind of cash to pay these fucking people off. Mark Rich was his name. Yeah, if you got cash, you could, if you have, if there's enough money and power behind it,
Starting point is 04:17:11 you can get the people to believe anything. As long as you can get it on commercials and like on the news media, you can get people to believe the most ridiculous shit. You can get people to believe like big dick pills like actually work. If you got big pharma to market it, not like those late night commercials.
Starting point is 04:17:31 How do they do those late night commercials? How do they get away with that? I don't know. Laws don't count at night? But can you imagine if big pharma decided to take
Starting point is 04:17:38 these big dick pills, pay off a couple professors in Yale like they've been doing in Harvard and just say, shit, this really. And then present it as a problem.
Starting point is 04:17:47 Are you a victim of short dick syndrome or something like that? You know what I mean? But call it something. Call it something. And can you imagine you pay off two dudes, one dude, one dude from Yale. You have him on in the infomercial. It's totally big pharma'd out. and the infomercial.
Starting point is 04:18:03 It's totally big farm it out. After a while, you'd be considered a conspiracy nut if you believe that shit didn't work. Right, right. You understand? Totally. All you need is a couple Harvard scientists to say,
Starting point is 04:18:15 oh, you're going to gain 20 to 30% in the first month. Everybody would jump on that. It's so easy. You put it on fucking CNN. New report. You can grow your male genitalia up to three inches in four months been proven drew here's with the report all you
Starting point is 04:18:31 need is one doctor that's that's dr drew that's how you get back on the mainstream yeah get him to do it oh shit that's how you get him back in dude and how would anybody ever get sued he has to kiss can you imagine the amount of evidence you would need to sue the class action suit? All the pictures of dicks, the before and after pictures in the class action suit, 150,000. Nobody wants you to see their little dick and then still little dick. I gotta get the fuck out of here, Eddie Bravo.
Starting point is 04:18:55 Let's wrap this bitch up. We just did four and a half hours of some shit. Oh, shit. Can I get a quick EBI plug? Yeah, September 11th. September 11th on UFC Fight Pass. It's on a Sunday. EBI 8, The Middleweights featuring Gordon Ryan, Eduardo Telles, Matt Arroyo. Also, you can get it on pay-per-view.
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