The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - December 3, 2016

Episode Date: December 3, 2016

Joe is joined by Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, and Eddie Bravo to watch the fights on December 3, 2016.

And we're live. We're live. Yeah. We're live. Eddie Bravo, Brian Callen, Brendan Chobb. Eddie Bravo, the man who introduced me to marijuana. For him, I will forever be grateful. For medical reasons.

Medical reasons. Medical reasons. It's totally legal now. We don't even have to- His intensity was- When is that going to- Freaking roof. When is that going to affect?

It's now. It was midnight that night. What? It's legal. What? It changes that fast? Yeah. Recreationally legal. affect? It's now. It was midnight that night. What? It's legal. Damn it. It changes that fast? Yeah. Recreationally legal.

Wow. Damn. You have to be 18 or 21. I think you have to be 21. But now with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, if he gets confirmed, can he override? Federal power can override. There's no way. I do not think that he would go against the will of Trump.

And I think that Trump, for all of his faults that you might find in him, he's a populist. And I think the best argument is that a guy like him, you can sort of influence him with the opinion of the country. And so it's kind of an interesting thing because it might be one of the first times ever like the opinion of the country might significantly influence some guy who's just completely foreign to the idea of politics. It's kind of a good thing, yeah. Fuck, it's a lot of main... He says a lot of great shit, man. Yeah. He's practical.

He's very practical. This is not perfect. Nothing's perfect. Like, many things in life. But it might ultimately be a good thing to completely shake up the system. The thing that troubles people that oppose that idea is all the Wall Street guys he's bringing in, like right away. He's bringing in all these billionaires and Goldman Sachs-type guys.

He's bringing in a lot of business people too, who are practical as well, who understand the economy. We'll see. And listen, it might be good. That might be a good thing. That might be what they need to honestly figure out the economy. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm not saying it's definite.

But isn't it possible that you could be a billionaire and still want to fix the fucked up economy? Of course. Especially if you have everything you've ever wanted. And a lot of these guys, they do operate on that infinite growth idea. Like they constantly want to get bigger yachts, bigger mansions, bigger houses. But it's also possible that a guy could be just an intelligent guy that did really well in business. Even some of the

things Trump said himself. He said, yeah, I took advantage of these loopholes, but let's get rid of them. Think about what he did for a long time, which was he owned hotels, buildings, and wanted to give you the best experience possible. A guy like that who has a massive ego, of course,

he wants a legacy he can point to. He wants to go down as the greatest president. He wants to fix these problems. I can see that. That's where his ego is good. My worry is that a guy like that is used to getting his way all the time. The nature of the presidency is one in which

you don't get your way, where you have to compromise. A lot of times you get very frustrated with the power you don't have. That's when I want to see how he reacts. Well, he's failed a lot though in business. He's filed for Chapter 11 multiple times. He's had a lot of failures. Sure. As all businessmen do.

Most successful people have. Yeah. I'm just saying, I wonder what's going to happen when he can't convince companies to do his bidding, when a lot of his policies maybe don't give his voter base the jobs they wanted? Because he can't implement the policies he wants, that's when it's going to be interesting. Do you think we'll see an assassination attempt? Jesus Christ, Brendan Schaub. What, man?

Trying to mix it up? No. Look it, I don't- You don't think it's going to happen? I don't think so. You guys are crazy. Hope not. I don't think so. How many are crazy. I don't think so.

How many people are upset? It's possible. It's always possible. What kind of people? People have tried to kill the president many times. Most of America because Hillary won the popular vote. Actually, she didn't want to buy, what, $500,000? The crazy thing about the debate between Hillary and Trump,

yeah, Trump's done some D-bag things or whatever, but you guys know what Pizzagate is about? Oh, I'd love to hear it. and Trump, yeah, Trump's done some D-bag things or whatever, but when... You guys know what Pizzagate is about? Oh, I'd love to hear it, Eddie. Are you familiar with it? Pizzagate? Yes. No, but sounds dope. Yes, I do. I've never heard of it. Please explain to me. I'm not going to explain it. I'm not even going to get

to it, but all I'm going to say... It's such bullshit, Eddie. Eddie, before you go into it, it's been debunked. It's the biggest bunch of bullshit. It's been debunked? Oh, hell no. Eddie, it's fake news. They proved it's fake news. You're still on that side. And if you believe that, it's ridiculous.

So the Democratic Party, the power structure in the Democratic Party are pedophiles, and they all communicate with each other with those secret paddles? Is this what we're going to go into? We're going to pop off like this? We're going to kick the community off like this? It was proven to be a horseshit story. If you buy into it, the joke is on you. I'm telling you.

Wow. Unbelievable. That's very unbelievable. It's incredible. So what is the... Are you saying that the power structure are pedophiles? This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. It's so fucking dark.

All the shit Alex Jones has been saying. He's been saying all that Pizzagate shit for 20 years. He's been saying everyone thought he was... You couldn't believe anything he said because of the things he's saying. Now, when you look at Pizzagate, all that shit he was saying that everyone thought he was crazy for, that shit's real now. It's a fake news story, Eddie. Dude, you are...

It's a fake news story. Every news..., you are... It's a fake news story. Every news part, every credible news organization's editorial board... CNN? CNN? Like, I don't know. Washington Post? Where do you get your news, Brian?

Where do you get your news, Brian? The Economist. Take both sides. Take the right and the left. It's a joke. It was a joke. All you gotta say is, wow. So, Eddie,

so the power structure... You think it's a joke? Eddie, the I got to say is wow. So Eddie, so the power structure. You think it's a joke? Eddie, the power structure are all pedophiles? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? That's what I'm talking about. Man love? So the power structure are pedophiles?

Brian, it's a joke. Brian. It's a joke. Have you seen the documentary Conspiracy of Silence? Have you seen that? Sure haven't, buddy. Of course you haven't. I don't get my news from YouTube.

I don't get my news from YouTube. I get my news from incredible news organizations. Joe, talk to this guy. From independent lines of inquiry. Joe, can you do me a favor since I'm outside? What is Pizzagate? Okay, Pizzagate is there's a guy who worked for Hillary Clinton's campaign. His name is Podesta, right?

John Podesta, that's his name. There's some pizza restaurant in, is it in D.C.? I believe it's in Washington. There's two of them. Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza. And apparently they have art that's like this kind of famous pedophile-like bizarre art. Well, it's two ping pong pad bizarre art which is close to the man love is that all it is what about those paintings there was okay no no no he's not saying he's just

saying it's just also so it's a piece of restaurant with some paintings on the wall what do but brian what are the paintings that they're being accused of having so the man loves the man love no but not that not the symbol there's there's some paintings that were connected being accused of having. So the man love has... No, but not the symbol. There's some paintings that were connected to... Do you know what I'm talking about? There was some very bizarre... It disturbed the shit out of me so much, I said, I don't want to spend any time looking at this.

You know what I know for sure, though? For sure, 100%. That speaker of the house guy, Dennis Hassert, that got put away for like 15 months for being an admitted child molester. The idea that you could only get... The idea that this guy was the speaker of the house. Yikes.

He was the speaker of the house and he was fucking kids when he was a wrestling coach. And eating pizza? No, this is a different guy. Well, that was... I'm just trying to tie everything around. Dude, I don't know what it was. I don't know if it was because he's old and he's very sick and ill but it Yeah, it means nothing to me the idea that you could take get a admitted kid fucker and you only give him 15 months

That's shit. There's more to the story. I'm sure there is I'm sure there is more the story But the facts remain that that guy got a very short sentence and was the speaker of the house And was a child molester. I don't want to. He really 100% was a child molester. Yeah, but there are always gonna be pedophiles in that group. Right, but instead of having this like gigantic blanket attitude that what he's saying is ridiculous and then getting super emotional about it, let's just look at the actual fact that a guy who was a pedophile was the speaker of the house. Has nothing to do with this story. You're right, it doesn't.

But to mock the idea that people who are pedophiles can't get to high positions of power was exactly what you were doing. It's not at all what I was doing. You were getting real emotional about it. I was getting emotional because this story was proven through many independent lines of inquiry to be literally a hoax. And when you give it a voice, when it's a hoax, and, you know,

these people look at it way closer than anybody at this table. It's not about conspiracy theory here. What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to say, guys, guys, hold on.

This was kind of a, this was a big hoax. And so many different people who looked at it, who don't have an agenda, they looked into it and went, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on?

So it's a fake story by one of those fake news sites. It's a fake story, man. Yeah. So we have to be very careful. Do we really want to spend time on fake stories? Let's talk about real stories. Let me establish where I am.

I know the very brief outline of what it's all about. I know that a lot of people think they're pedophiles and crazy and Satan worshipers. And there was that some spirit cooking thing, some bizarre thing that was released in an email about something that Podesta was going to get into. And that's true, right? Yeah, apparently that's true, but it's like some bizarre, I don't know what the fuck it is. It's dark shit.

It's weird. It's not, I don't know. The guy who knows all of it won't speak up over here. You know what, I've looked into it deeply, and all conspiracy theories make sense to me now. I get it. Every single one? I get it.

Every single one, sir? Sir. Not every single one. There's a fight going on. Can a guy speak in general terms without being checked every goddamn time? Yes. Of course it's general. When a guy says, oh, he beat him every goddamn time.

Not every goddamn time, but beat him every goddamn time. Not every goddamn time, but 90% of the time. Do you know who you're around? Do we have to explain this shit every time? Eddie, would you admit... Speaking in general terms? Do I have to give you actual numbers? Yes, but Eddie, would you admit that human beings, you, me, all of us, tend to get a feeling

and then we have what's called confirmation bias, which is we'll find... We all do it, dude. We'll find facts We all do it. We all do it, dude. I do it. We all do it. We'll find facts to support our feeling. That's so human. Listen, all you have to do is hear an argument between me and my wife, and I'll fucking justify it any way I can because I find facts to pile on my side.

There you go. And let me guess, you want CNN, right? Yeah. So let's all be careful about confirmation bias. Yeah. I mean, all I'm saying is to get super emotional and say it's impossible. I don't necessarily think it is impossible if that Speaker of the House guy was in place. This story in particular, Pizzagate?

You just got to look into it. I know zero about it. It was a fake story. But let me, from where I am, I looked into it very little. I saw it was, I'm like, I'm going to just let this scuffle go on and then look into it

when the dust settles in a couple of weeks. It's usually smart. Yeah, that's scared the, that's, figure out exactly what it is, whether it's bullshit or real.

It made me, me looking into it made me want to shut the fuck up about conspiracy theories because people, people, people get killed with this shit.

When you actually look into it, and I like Brian Cowan, when you actually look into it with an open fucking mind. Yes. Mr. Einstein, Brian Cowan. Just trust the government on everything. God damn it, Brian. I don't trust the government. Dude, you need to be a politician, bro.

Eddie, you would love that shit. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think everybody picks a position, and I bet it's probably not nearly as fucked up as everybody's making it out to be, but there's some weird... First of all, that Podesta guy's, like, really into UFOs, too. I know. They smoke their stuff.

Oh, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys. No, I'm sorry. I have to stop. Isn't Podesta really into UFOs? Hold on, hold on. I don't believe so. Wait a minute. Hold on.

I don't care about that. He might be into UFOs, and you just storm trooped over there. You're telling me the truth is something in the middle. What I'm saying is I'm reacting to what I had read from credible sources as being a fake. I wish you could cite what it said. I actually have the article on my phone. Pull it up. Just tell us what.

Just give it to Jamie. We'll throw it up on one of the big screens. And then we'll knock this out. Yeah. All I got to say is I don't even want to get into it, but all you need to do is go to YouTube and watch The Conspiracy of Silence. It's a documentary. How long is it?

It was supposed to be on the BBC, but they never aired it. Who made it? Your mother, Kellen. No, who made it? It's important, right? No, it's not. It's not? No, Disney made it.

How about that? But Eddie, don't you need to? Would you believe it if Disney made it? I would. What the hell is Pizza Gate? Here it is, Jamie. I'm going to give this to you. Hold on. Hold, Disney made it. How about that? Would you believe it if Disney made it? I would. What the hell is Pizzagate? Here it is, Jamie. I'm going to give this to you. Hold on.

Hold, please, everyone. Just tell him what it is, and he'll get it online. He has a computer as well. It's interesting because the two of you guys are so on the opposite end of the whole conspiracy thing. Complete opposite. You tend to immediately go towards conspiracies. He tends to immediately go towards the mainstream.

No, no, no. We're in the middle. I'm in the middle. I want someone to convince me. It's not that. What it is is I tend to not trust shit they say. He tends to trust everything

they say. That's not a fair character. You he tends to trust everything they say. Mr. CNN. That's what it really is. That's not a fair character. Dude, you're always on the official story side, dude. You're one of those guys. You're one of those guys.

I mean, I read credible news sources. Washington Post. Not just Washington Post. I mean, not just New York Times. No, I read The Economist,

which is the second oldest magazine in the world. You read all the propaganda. Do you read all the bullshit? Do you know how those editorial the second oldest magazine in the world. You read all the propaganda. You read all the bullshit. Do you know how those editorial boards work? You study the bullshit. Eddie, do you know how those editorial boards work? Do you know?

Do you really think that the entire editorial board of The New York Times or The Economist or The Wall Street Journal, where people who run the country and the world get their information, do you think all those people are lying, getting together, and being conspiratorial to give us fake news? And for what? Is that really what you believe? That's exactly... It's been proven. They spent $500 million. Eddie, answer my questions.

Do you believe that? I do believe it. So everything that the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Economist reports, is a lie? Not everything. Then what, though? Just the agenda. Journal, the Economist reports. Is it a lie? Not everything. Then what, though? Just the agenda. Why?

Just getting the agenda. Why? Do you know what Agenda 21 is? I don't, Eddie, but I want you to tell me why. Do you know what the New World Order is? I don't, bud. Do you know what... Of course you don't.

Because you think a small group of people are controlling everything? Like the world economy or the oil markets? How? Do you know how oil is priced? Do you know how oil is priced? How? Okay, it's an open market commodity. It's a world commodity, right?

So it really depends on how much is available in that given day. So for an example, you may have an oil tanker that's on its way to a country, and then somebody on the market, in the marketplace, bids on that oil and wants that oil. And that ship will turn back around and go to that market. It all depends on what the marketplace and what all the different players who need oil and the amount of oil that's available, whether it's crude or raw, whatever it might be.

There's so many different factors that go into pricing oil. Look at what happened when we came up with ways to get the oil out of the shale sands, right? Well, what happened? The price of oil went down because the United States became an exporter of oil. There was such a, there was an oil glut. And that's why Russia's having a major problem because their oil used to be $100 a barrel. What is it? $47 a barrel or something. So what I'm saying is that that's how oil is priced. That's how things are. You're talking about a massive organism called the world economy, called the U.S. economy, where there are so many different moving parts and so many different competing interests.

So to say that one group of seven men or whoever they might be or 21 men controls things, is holding the strings, is Hollywood movie stuff. It would be impossible. It's hard to control anything. Even in Washington, it's such a chaos fuck job. Man, you are so far on the other goddamn side. Isn't it possible that the truth's in the middle there somewhere? No.

You're one of those dudes, you're right. It's not possible. No, but I mean, people of influence, people like the people that run the World Bank, people that have massive influence over just enormous sums of money. Don't you think it's possible they can have some influence due to the relationships that they have with people? They all try. They all try and they do. They all try.

They have some. He knows what's going on at the top. He knows what's going on. But what I'm saying is that, again, they're competing with each other. There's so many different competing, right? I totally understand. I mean, that's the issue. Right.

The World Bank is a massive bureaucracy. Right. The IMF is a massive bureaucracy. No, I completely understand. I think there has to be some sort of control and manipulation involved. Well, let me give you an example. Collectively, don't you think? Let's take the division.

Let's take the Latin American Bank, which is, I think it's a subsidiary of the World Bank, I believe. And I sat next to this guy on the plane and talked to him. And he said that so much of the sort of projects and the money, what they were there for was to essentially invest, give investments. I'm sorry, give money to investments in the Latin American economy to build up the Latin American economy in one way or another. Amazing. And I'm generalizing. What happens sometimes is that that bank no longer becomes necessary because the economy

of Latin America, whatever that country is, is running on its own. So now, here's a conspiracy for you, which makes sense. Oh, here we go. But now they go, well, we got 3,500 people who are working at the Latin American bank. If there's nothing left for them to do, we got to come up with something for them to do. And they might, now they have a vested interest in staying in business because you got 3,500 people whose jobs are at stake.

Now you can come up with projects that are fake or you'll be like, well, you guys still need us, you know, because we should do this and that. That makes sense. That would be, if you want to call that conspiracy theory, I would call that people who just want to hold on to their jobs and come up with reasons to exist. Do you know what Operation Mockingbird is? Of course he doesn't.

Of course you don't. I don't, buddy. Of course you don't. Because if you did, you wouldn't be saying all that shit. Did you hear what I said? Did I say anything that was that radical? I have no idea what the fuck you said. I wasn't listening to shit.

Meanwhile, Moreno's got a good top game here. I wasn't listening to shit. Me, Mom. Moreno's got a good top game here, son. It's been a good fight, too. Moreno's got a good top game. Look into Operation Mockingbird. Strong. Where can I look that up? Anywhere. At the library.

At the library. The library's not real, bro. The library won't have it. Operation Mockingbird. Show it up, Jamie. Why do you believe... Do you know what Operation Mockingbird is? Why do you believe in all these conspiracy theories?

Operation Mockingbird's not a conspiracy theory. That's not a conspiracy theory. Why do you believe a documentary on YouTube over The Economist? Why would you believe, and you don't even know who made it, but you believe in a documentary versus... You're talking about some shit you've never seen. Just because it's on YouTube, it's like, it's not real. It's on YouTube.

You don't even know what the fuck I'm talking about. You're talking about some documentary. You believe that documentary? You don't even know what it is. You don't believe that. How could you believe that? You don't even know what it is. You've never even seen it. Why do you believe it? Because I've seen it. And I've seen people talk. And there's evidence. I see the evidence. I don't

read about it. I see the evidence. Can I step in as both of your friends? Absolutely. We've gotten so crazy here that you guys are arguing and we haven't even discussed what this movie's about. Like, it hasn't even been whether or not it is a Operation Mockingbird, whether it was a conspiracy theory

or whether it was a real event. We didn't even discuss what it is and you guys are at each other's throats. It's kind of crazy. I mean, we literally didn't even bring up what the subject is and Brian you jumped on them No, no, I did. They both jump on me sir. No excuse me, sir You did because this is me real talk about you can't say it's a real thing cuz Wikipedia. Yeah, it's on the internet sir Sir, you brought up Pizzagate All I knew about Pizzagate was I didn't bring it

I fucking for sure didn't bring it No, he brought up Pizzagate I'll point my finger at you, motherfucker There's no way, I was saying Please don't bring up Pizzagate I just want to know what Pizzagate was You're the fucking shitster I don't even want to talk about it

And I don't even want to talk about it You! He's the guilty part Everybody brings it up You brought it up No, look at him, he's the one who's the shitster I've never it up. And I don't even... You brought it up. I just brought it up. No, look at him. He's the one who's the shit, sir. I've never heard of Pizzagate. I was fucking interested.

Then you two went fucking ahead. Did you bring it up? Yeah. You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. You threw kindling on the fire. We should have talked beforehand. Look at his whole head.

Why did I think Eddie brought it up? The whole time I'm like, I can't believe they're fighting over something called Pizzagate. He said Pizzagate. And I was like, holy shit, that sounds interesting. You had me at Pizzagate. He said Pizzagate, and I was like, holy shit, that sounds interesting. You had me at Pizzagate. I wanted to know what it was. But I just wanted to say, because a lot of people on the internet want me to bring that shit up, and I'm like, I really

don't want to bring it up. That's some scary shit. When you really look into it, shit that you've never done, when you actually look into it, when you look into it, doesn't even know. Operation Mockingbird is a CIA operation where they were to prevent and control communism infiltration. They thought it would be best to buy up as many different broadcasting companies.

And they wanted to own the media. They wanted magazines, newspapers. CNN is part of that shit. Anderson Cooper is admitted a CIA agent. He admits it. He goes, yeah, I was in the CIA, so what? Anderson Cooper? Well, he actually worked for them when he was in college.

Is that what it was? Dude, when you're in your head. He did an internship or something like that? Yeah, it's totally possible. He went to the CIA college to be a CIA agent. No, no, no, no. They make random dudes internationally, CIA agents and assets. Anderson Cooper, look at me. Anderson Cooper's not a CIA agent. No, no, no. They make random dudes internationally. CIA agents and assets.

Look at me. Anderson Cooper's not a CIA agent. He could be. Look into it. Guys, look into it. He worked for the CIA. Look, CIA had Operation Mockingbird. We're going to control the media. You buy into the media.

That's why you don't know about Operation Mockingbird. You've been caught. They got you. I definitely don't buy into the media. I don't buy into the media. Oh, they got you. I do not buy into the media. They got you strong, son. I bet you're pro-vaccine, right?

Okay, there you go. You're anti-vaccine all the way across? Okay. You're not really. Not for smallpox, diphtheria, measles and all the things. All vaccines aren't the same. So when you talk about vaccines, they're not all the same.

Some can be safe and some can be dangerous. That's true. I can understand that. That's all I'm going to say about that. That's a reasonable thing to say. I agree with Eddie on that. Many doctors agree on that. Yeah.

You know what happened in 1986? Ronald Reagan signed a bill that made Big Pharma immune to lawsuits because Big Pharma was about to say, fuck making vaccines. Too many people are suing us. So Ronald Reagan had to come and say, keep making them. I'll make a bill where no one can sue you. No, but they can't be sued. They can't be sued. They can't be sued. Big Pharma

gets sued all the time. They don't get sued. For vaccines. For vaccines. They can't get sued for vaccines. If you want to sue anybody for vaccines, if your kid gets fucked up from vaccines, you go to the vaccine court. It's a federal agency where they give out, I don't know how many fucking billions of goddamn dollars.

People have allergic reactions to vaccines. Of course. People have allergic reactions to peanuts. But since 1986, what happened is since 1986, since big pharma said, shit, we can't get sued. That's when, if you actually look at vaccines and not just go polio, what about polio? What about smallpox? When you look at what happened, they fucking green lit.

They're like, each vaccine's worth like a trillion dollars. And they went, bing, bing, bing. So now the kids have 36 fucking shots. 64. It's crazy. No, no, but that's the problem. So that would make sense. So if you said to me, hey, Bri, once the pharmaceutical companies saw that there was a lot of money in giving preventative vaccines,

and it goes up to 64 when it used to be 6 or 10 or whatever when I was a kid. Now you go, oh, well, that makes sense. Because what does big pharma do? They manipulate the FDA. They manipulate government. CDC? Yes. They own the CDC.

Right, so that they can then make money. Brian, what you're saying sounds very much like a conspiracy. No, no. Slow. All of a sudden, he's talking. No, it's wrong. It's the weed setting. Black helicopter.

It's the weed. The weed setting. You don't even know what Operation Mockingbird is. You don't know that you're caught in a CIA operation. You don't even know that. You don't know what the Mockingbird is. You don't know that you're caught in a CIA operation. You don't even know that. You don't know what the Mockingbird is, Brian. That's not conspiracy. That makes sense from a business point of view, which I can understand is insidious

when you have huge corporations in cahoots with government. And they're fucking green line vaccines that are dangerous and shit. They don't care. We can't get sued. Why test? They're green. They're convincing the CDC with money. Hey, pass this motherfucker really quick.

Major points for using in cahoots in a sentence correctly. 5,000 points. It's just common sense. It's a racket. They own the media. You don't think the fucking people that run shit own the media? You got to be an idiot to fucking not think the people that run shit own the media, own entertainment, own everything.

It doesn't mean- We can bring it back. Gangsters. They would be idiots. People that run this shit don't own the fucking media. You don't own the TV, you dumb motherfucker. Eddie, it doesn't mean that you can't get credible information on a lot of topics, like the economy, like the war, whatever it is.

If you know where to look, it doesn't mean you can't get credible information on the truth of what's going on. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that. But to Eddie's point, some of them have an agenda. Washington Post is all, they're controlled.

Well, they're very liberal. The mainstream media is all controlled. That ain't real shit. That's all controlled. It's part of the agenda. It's all slowly, inch by inch, take away the guns, and let's fucking, let's control everybody and implode economies, fucking start civil wars. They love that shit, the people at the top.

But I don't think they like that. I think that the- They love that shit. If you said to me that the mainstream media, whether it's on the right or the left, has agendas and has been corrupted and has allowed their own personal points of view to infiltrate the news and so report unfairly and so report in a biased fashion and the news is no longer as objective as it was or should be. I think it's a sham.

Now that makes sense. If you say, for example, that GTE or GE owns certain news organizations, then that's a conflict or could be a conflict of interest. And we have to be very careful because they may not report on GE's practices if they're irresponsible. Now I can have a conversation because that would make sense to me. That would make sense because but when you when you say that everybody in the New York Times, the Washington Post is a CIA pawn. This is what I'm saying. There's an operation that the CIA, this is not a conspiracy theory, Operation Mockingbird. There's an Operation Paperclip taking all the Nazis after World War II, Operation Paperclip taking thousands of Nazi scientists into the government and creating NASA, NASA Nazi scientists.

And you believe they're masters of propaganda. The Nazis were masters. They put out films just to get people get just to get people, the people to get used to killing people like if they were a certain condition. to killing people, like if they were a certain condition, they put out propaganda films. And you can watch this shit of deranged people on the street killing people. People thought they would watch these newsreels and they thought there was demented people on the streets killing people. And that was never happening. They just wanted the people to agree that we can kill those people, right?

Because they're crazy. Yeah, because they're crazy. No one's killing anybody, but it was all part of a propaganda agenda a little perspective on that so einstein came from germany and a lot of the jewish scientists in the 30s when there was this rise of anti-semitism migrated immigrated to the united states what about the nazis but operation paperclip was now yes that was what about Yes. What about that? When we realized that the Nazis were very close to creating a nuclear bomb, that they had some really amazing scientists. Amazing.

Well, they knew a lot of stuff. I mean, there was a real scientific tradition. Remember, that's where Einstein came out of. anti-Semitism that rose up in the 30s is why a lot of historians have credited the United States' ability to create a nuclear bomb before the Nazis because of that immigration. So anti-Semitism in Germany actually pushed a lot of these brilliant scientists toward the U.K., toward the United States. Didn't a bunch of the Nazi guys go to Russia as well? Half of them went to Russia. Half of them went to the States. Probably when Russia took half of Germany, remember?

So there was East Berlin and West Berlin. East Germany, West Germany. So when they took East Germany, nobody's getting out of East Germany. It was understandably. Look, if you're going to be intelligent and pragmatic and the war is essentially over, right, it's understandable to want to get their brightest minds and bring them over. Of course. You've already essentially over, right? It's understandable to want to get their brightest minds and bring them over. Of course.

You've already conquered them, right? This is post-World War II. To let them linger and become used by the establishment that you just defeated, that's crazy. These are super geniuses. If you're a genius... Dude, these guys are fucking torturing people and experimenting on people.

Not these physicists. Sociopaths. Who knows? Not all of them. Listen, these guys were fucking torturing people and experimenting on people. Not these physicists. Sociopaths. Listen, we don't know. We don't know. But I do know that the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Werner von Braun, who was the head of NASA, if Werner von Braun was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity. Because

he was instrumental in coming up with weaponry that killed a lot of the Allies. It was that. It was also that they hung the five slowest Jews every day in front of his rocket factory in Berlin. The ones who worked the slowest. For motivation. They would hang them. That's intense.

These guys remembered it. These guys. These guys who lived in Miami. The guys who lived in Miami. Come on. Come on. That were in the concentration camps. They interviewed him

for this documentary on the moon landings and NASA and all the scientists behind it. And they were saying that they would see those guys come in.

They would see those scientists come in. And they would hang the five slowest Jews in front of the building. Those are the guys that were running NASA. That's the least

of what went on in Nazi Germany. You don't know what went on in Nazi Germany. You don't know what went on in Nazi Germany. We don't know. Come on, man. I studied. That was my area of focus. Mainstream science? I was a history major. I was a history major in college. That was my area of focus, Nazi Germany. Hey, maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe you're right about the Nazis and I'm wrong, but they seemed like they were fucking sick, twisted motherfuckers. That's what they seemed like. Well, they were. But maybe they weren't. Maybe you're right. Who's saying they weren't? You were calling them amazing and geniuses. No, no, no. We're talking about the scientists.

That's what I'm talking about. The scientists were the guys. They were experimenting on people. The scientists involved in the nuclear program. They were doing crazy shit. There's different scientists that are the medical scientists versus different scientists that are engineers versus different scientists that are working towards nuclear weapons. But they were part-

Many of them were Jews, Eddie. They were Nazis, though. No, Eddie. Many of the scientists were Jews. Do you know- And they weren't killed because they were instrumental. They were too valuable. All right.

All right. So NASA's fine. So a lot of them were- At most, they're fine. Well, a lot of the inventions that were made by- Like the Haber method that was made by a guy who was a Jewish guy, which is a crazy story. He also created something called Zyklon A, which had a... It was a gas that had a smell added to it so it would warn you that the gas was present.

It was an insecticide, right? The Nazis... Exactly. And the Nazis took it and they switched it to Zyklon B. They took the smell out of it so that you wouldn't smell it, and then they used it in the gas chamber. So this guy who invented the Haber method where 50% of the nitrogen that's in most of the human beings on the planet Earth comes from.

Because nitrogen is how you fertilize. You create fertilizer. And this guy figured out how to draw nitrogen out from the atmosphere. But this is how complicated he was. He was a Jewish guy. And he, while he was winning the I believe it was the Nobel Prize for the Haber method, he was also being wanted for crimes against humanity because he figured out how to gas people

too. Because he was a German patriot, ironically. There was a war going on. They were using gas warfare for the first time on the Allies. So at the same time that he created this method that's going to double the population of the world like that. It saved a lot of lives, people from starvation during the winter. Well, there's so much more food available now because most people don't know. You've got to throw something into the ground in order for the soil to— It's supposed to be a cycle. Things are supposed to die on it.

Those things get absorbed in the cycle of the soil. The soil is nutrient rich. Powerful, healthy plants grow from it. But when you just keep putting corn in the same spot over and over and over again, you got to throw some shit into the soil. That's right. And Fritz Haber figured out how to get it out of the air itself because the air is like 80% nitrogen. You think of the air itself, because the air is like 80% nitrogen.

You think of the air as being mostly oxygen. You know, you think oxygen and carbon dioxide. No, it's mostly nitrogen. Isn't that incredible? That's most of what's... So this guy is fucking genius. Did you read that in a library or the internet? No, that was on Radio Lab.

This is just fact. But where'd you read that? I heard it in Radio Lab, but then I read it all over the place. On the internet or in the library? I read it on the internet. Fuck. That's bullshit, then. Anyway, this Habermasic.

Hey, man. You're being sarcastic. Just think about what... Forget about politics and nonsense for a second. Just think about what a genius you have to be to figure out how to pull nitrogen out of the air and put it in the soil, and all of a sudden everything grows better. Yeah, smart dude. But what's also amazing is how complicated human beings are

because it raises some really interesting questions. The guy invents the gas that was used on the Jews, his own people. However, he invented chemical weaponry because he was a German patriot and wanted Germany to win World War I and said, I have a better way to do this. And so you put yourself in his position. It's a very, it's, it, it raised a lot of difficult questions. Oh yeah.

Well, he was a super complicated person. Yes. But as are we all. And like many geniuses, many like really fucking smart people like that are fucking very complicated. Why did, why did, uh, why didn't the Nazis just shoot the Jews? Like, line them up and just shoot them? They did. They did a lot of that. They did six million of them. Why would they bother gas them?

Because it was easier. They gotta drag them out of the showers. They did a lot of different things. They starved them. Yeah, they did a lot of different shit. Put them in a room, they gas them, and then they all die, and then who's gonna drag them out? Eddie, have you ever seen... Who drags them out? You know, heavy body, dead body. Oh, wait, you're saying that never happened, Eddie.

No, I'm just saying, why not just shoot them? Oh, no, he's saying why not just shoot them. I would have thought like gas them. They did shoot them. It seems like sick and perverted and twisted. Like, let's gas them. Exactly. Why gas them?

Why not just shoot them? A lot of times when they gas them, they didn't know they were getting gassed, too, right? It doesn't make any sense. Why not just shoot them? So you're going to have to drag them out. Can I tell you why? Mexicans, this is the way they do it. They dig a big-ass fucking hole with a big-ass-

To load the cartels? And then they just line them up and- But you know what they did? Because they got a cleanup. They're thinking ahead. But they did that in the Russian countryside. You can see a video of it. They dug massive graves, and they'd make them dig their own graves, and then they would just shoot them.

That's smart. Smart. But what happened was when they— Put them in the shower. You've got to drag them out of the shower. No. They've got chemicals all over them. But listen, what they would do is when they would bring them on the trains to Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Dachau, and all the different death camps, they couldn't—if they started lining people up, what would happen? Especially women and children.

Hysteria. Hysteria. So what they said is they'd get off the train after this horrible train ride, and they'd say, here's a bar of soap. You're going to take a shower. Yes. They'd put them all in these. They'd trick them.

They'd trick them. They'd be in these showers, quote-unquote showers. But some would take showers, right? What's that? Some actually would take showers, and some would be killed. That's right. So they didn't know.

So the strong. So they mixed it up. The ones that looked strong, they could use for work. And the ones who were children went right away. The ones who are healthy too. But the gas seems so twisted. It is.

It seems so... Why not just make them drink? They did a lot of horrible things. Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Dude, no one's... That's NASA. You guys are saying the remains are not Nazi. But hold on a second. They invented a gas to kill Jews.

I'm like, what the fuck? But there's a difference between... There's always going to be a difference between concentration camp guards and scientists. Those guards must have been buff. But that's the same thing as us. It's like saying that you as a martial artist, you train people how to fight. You probably have some connection with someone who's a corrections officer. I do. You know what I'm saying, though?

You do. But how much do you have an effect over what they do with their life? The people who are working in the as a corrections officers are probably or the guards rather at Auschwitz are probably so far removed from the fucking scientists. It's not like they all get together and go, we're all evil, right? Yeah. What are you doing today for evil? I'm torturing the Jews. I'm going to go with the Nazis are evil, all of them. I have news for those scientists. That's not what I'm saying. Anybody who's subscribed to that ideology is evil.

Are you a Holocaust liar? No, Eddie. Eddie, you know what? The scientists didn't have a choice. They had to work. You couldn't say to the Hitler, the Nazi regime, hey guys, I'm not going to work on your super bomb. Listen, man,

you didn't think of a scientist with a white fucking coat on just in front of a beaker like all day. Those dudes went into twisted, occultist shit. They're the ones that brought it in. They were into it. Nazis, it was a religion. It wasn't just like, oh, I got a white coat and I got a beaker all day.

There was a lot of people that were trying to get rid of Hitler. There were regular dudes who wanted to fuck. But there was people that were trying to get rid of Hitler that thought he was crazy. There was a lot of that going on, too. There was failed assassination attempts, failed coup attempts. It wasn't like they were all on board. It's just he had massive amounts of power, and he was a fucking terrifying individual. And he was a dynamic speaker.

He could get thousands of people. Who's that? Hitler was a dynamic speaker. He could get thousands of people Hitler when people were doing it. Have you seen his speeches? They're so theatrical I don't know what the fuck He was so well-spoken I don't know I don't know what he's saying He was so well spoken I don't know what he was saying I don't know what he was saying But when you listen to that guy talk He's got it

It's von der Nacht Jamie bring it out Jamie bring it out Whatever he's doing Can Joey do Hitler? I bet he could do Castro Hitler wouldn't go Overwhelmed

But guys If you see my stand up My stand up is pretty amazing That fucking guy With his limp How is Joey How is Joey The best

I love him Because he only calls He'll never text If I text him He calls He just did a thing For CISO He just did this

Stand up comedy special He's fucked For CISO Yeah CISO Where did he shoot it stand-up comedy special. He's fucked his ass. For CISO? Yeah, CISO. Where did he shoot it at? He shot it in Chicago. Outside of just outside of Chicago. Rosemont? Where were we at, B?

Hey, my special's available on Monday. Oh, Jesus. I'll call you. You can help me with that. Call me. Let's do it. But you don't know what the platform will be? It's going to be on iTunes. It'll be on Stitcher, everything. You can buy it. Monday.

No politics no more. How's it Stitcher? I mean iTunes. That's audio. I got to look at it, guys. Stitcher's for a podcast, right? I'm getting all the info on Monday now. He doesn't know.

Stitcher people are like, what the fuck, bro? You lied to us. You let me down, man. Hey, what's going on? Brian, you were always number one in my book. No, you're number four. No, the audio will be- Keep slipping, bro. The audio will be available. And I'll tell you what's really good news- That post you made today, you were always number one in my book. No, you're number four. No, the audio will be- Keep slipping, bro.

The audio will be available. And I'll tell you what's really good news- That post you made today, I want to punch you in the face. You fucked it up. You fucked it up. No, it'll be on iTunes and it'll be on Google Play. I don't think we've made one comment about the fight. The next fight's good.

Hey, Jake Ellenberger's fighting Masvidal. That's a very good fight. That's a motherfucking fight. Today? That's a very good fight. Yeah, tonight, son. But the rugged handsomeness of Brett Favre just distracted me for a brief moment. Damn right it did.

It looks better as he gets older. You ever seen his dick pic? It gives less of fuck. You ever seen his dick pic? Yes. Not good. Sad. Sad dick pic.

But it could have been photoshopped and I'm always willing to hold out hope. I wouldn't allow him in the Hall of Fame. If that came out before the Hall of Fame, you ain't in. It might be an inside joke that just no one's telling you about. Never. He's a grower. He's a grower, not a shower. It could be an inside joke that just no one's telling you about. Never. He's a grower, not a shower. It could be an inside joke. He had Crocs on, son. It could have had some fun. It might have been part of the inside joke. Yep.

Whoa, no. I'd eat the shit out of that right now. Brett Vardy, he didn't even comment on it. He's just, yeah, what can you do? Yeah, that's the way to do it. Is that the best way to do it? Isn't that the best way to do a scandal? Hell yeah. Which depends on what the scandal is, right? If you're Wiener, no. Anthony Wiener, go ahead and address that shit.

Yeah, you probably should. But sometimes it's just like, ah, fuck it. This fucking fight, man. Pettis versus Holloway. Hey, Max Holloway. Is that today? That's next week. Hey, what happened to Cowboy's Eye?

Is that real? No. Oh, it's not? No. All right. But you're talking about it, right? So it serves its purpose. That's a fun card, man.

It's a great card. Holloway, nine in a row, fucking Conor had to be like, they had to strip him of a belt, and then finally he gets a title shot. God damn it. Give the guy a goddamn. And it's kind of a fake. Because they're like, Jose's the champ. This is for an interim title.

But he's the champ. Why not just give it to him? Yeah, an interim title. he's the champ why not just give it to you no i know but you already have a champ but they're gonna fight for the interim all right i like belts fuck it let's do it if that gets max or anthony pettis a belt let's fucking ride i i feel the same way i feel the same way i like it i like that fight everyone gets belts the only thing i wonder about that fight is um i wonder how well Pettis' body adapted to 145. Here's the real question, Joe, is remember, they weren't the main event. Now they are five rounds.

Now, we've seen them adapt all right with two to three rounds at 45. Imagine round four and five, the championship rounds. Now, let me ask you this. Harder because he loses weight? Yes, cardio. Let me ask you this as a guy who, have you ever fought five? Never fought five, no. Never fought for title two.

Thanks for bringing that up. No, it's not what I meant. I know, I'm just kidding. But do you feel that those, like, when you get in shape to go a hard three, how much of a difference is there between the hard three and the hard five? Is it mental? Like, at a certain point in time how much more training like how much in better shape could you really get and is it one of those things where it's just

harder it's you got to be more educated the pace yeah but is it just harder or is it like it does it require more time to prepare for five rounds no so you get in peak shape no matter what is peak shape and the difference is between you just having to fight 15 minutes and the potential of 25. Correct. And that fourth. Didn't you spar 25 minutes all the time? I usually do seven rounds. Yeah.

But to your point, I think it's the pacing in the early rounds. Because like, take for instance Brunson versus Whitaker. When he came out, I went, oh, he's not fighting to go five rounds. Like he's just trying to get out of it. Exactly. He's trying to win and get out. Because everyone in the world knows at that level, you can't go for five rounds fights. It's impossible.

By the way, Sarah McMahon's about to fight. She feels like Gleason Tebow. You put your hand on her shoulder. I mean that in a good way. She's such a mesomorph tank. She's a tank. I'm a fan of hers. Girl's really strong. Powerful wrestler. Silver medalist in the Olympics. She don't like jiu. She's a tank. Yeah. She's a tank. I'm a fan of hers. Girl's really strong.

Yeah. Powerful wrestler. Silver medalist in the Olympics. She don't like jiu-jitsu, though. I hope that's changed. No, she's said it. She said she's not into it. And is there any woman-

God, she would be so good at it. And is there any woman that you've ever rolled with that gave you any kind of fits or any problem? Not to be sexist, but be honest. I'm sure if I rolled with Gabby Garcia, she'd fuck me up. She's big, dude. All the girls I roll with.

Mackenzie might put something heavy on you. Sarah McMahon, Alexis Davis. They're too light. They're little. They're like 125 pounds, 135. I'm saying Mackenzie would get creative. I'm like 145. Hey, let me queue up the time here

so we'll actually try to watch this. It's 442, 441, 440, 439, all of the first round. It's Sarah McMahon versus Alexis Davis. Do you think that that stoppage when she fought Ronda and got kneed? 100% legit. It was legit? Ronda cracked her with the right hand, then cracked her with the knee, and then put the mitts to her.

That's forever ago. What if McMahon developed some serious stand-up? She does have good stand-up. She just ran into the freight train that is Ronda Rousey. She's a decent fighter all around. She does a lot of things good all around. She is muscular as fuck. She's an Olympian, son.

Dude, how much of a bummer is it DC's out against Rumble? Is that his knee or what is it? He had surgery, too. Alexis Davis beat Amanda Nunes. Way back in the Dizzee. She's tough, dude. But Ronda was just too much for her.

She beat both of them, right? Who else? Ronda beat both of these girls, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah, Ronda smushed both of them. She gave both of them girls, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, Ronda smushed both of them. The first round. She gave both of them the smush-erino.

Look at that. She smushed Sarah McMahon with a knee. Send it up. Oh, that's a good move with that elbow right there. Shit, that's good. People don't do that enough. Look at that. Why not?

Just throw those short elbows. Ooh, wow. That hurts. There's some serious shit going on right there. She does not like that. And you've got to react to it, too, when they throw elbows like that. Pele Landi was the first dude who, anytime Pele Landi, back in the day in the late 90s in Brazil, he would do this all day on dudes.

These are hard. She's trapped now. Those must set up, too. Yeah, instead of her being in a good position, she's trapped getting elbowed. Well, she's in protection mode. Eddie, do you remember Jason Day? He was one of the first guys to figure out how to do that from the rubber guard. Yeah. Eddie, what do you do in this situation? Right here. That's what you remember Jason Day? He was like one of the first guys to figure out how to do that from the rubber guard. Yeah.

Eddie, what do you do in this situation? Right here. That's what you do. Start throwing elbows right now. She's got the center of the triangle. What does Sarah McMahon do here? She needs to posture up. She needs to posture up or not punch.

Because if Alexis Davis really knew how to play some high-level rubber guard, she would have never let Sarah McMahon have her hand on the mat and then have the hand on the chest, have the hand on the mat and then have the hand on the chest, have the hand on the mat. Once the hand's on the mat, boom, it stays there. We're not going back to the chest. Check this out, though. She's about to triangle this bitch. Ah, fuck. But she has a lot of potential.

I started laughing at that. You couldn't help it. Why check this out? She's about to triangle this bitch. You guys are free from Fox. You can just let those bitches loose. You got them all corralled up in your brain. Come on.

Let them bitches loose. Get them all corralled up. See, on this side, on her right side, see where Sarah McMahon's right arm is? That should never be there. When your right arm

is pinned to the ground like that and you have someone with a strong rubber guard, especially someone who has already taken mission control with that left leg up,

the first thing to do is to trap that arm. So once that arm is down on the ground like that, you never want to give it back. And she keeps giving it back over and over and over again. Here's the thing, though. Sarah's winning. Sarah's winning this round, gentlemen. Yeah, she is. But what I'm saying is there's a lot of opportunities for Alexis Davis off her back. No, I'm with you.

She's just not doing anything. Every time Sarah McMahon puts her hand onto the ground like that, she's extremely vulnerable. You keep it there. You keep it there. Boom. And then you work off that. Everything comes off that.

Everything. She's very vulnerable. A person with a very good rubber guard, as soon as you put your arm down on the mat, they're going to immediately overhook that arm, try to trap it in place, and then try to go to mission control. She achieved mission control. She just didn't exactly know what to do once she got there.

So she didn't try to progress any further. And then there was the punches. First of all, if you just want to elbow someone, if you watch the Alan Belcher Jason Day fight, Jason Day was, you know, he beat Alan Belcher really early on. Belcher's

a fantastic fighter, and he's since then gone. Belcher beat Paul Harris. Beat Paul Harris at his own game. At his prime. At his own game. Went leg lock with him and dominated the position and beat the shit out of him. I love Alan Belcher. So it's not a diss on Alan Belcher.

I love that dude. But Jason Day showed how effective that position can be in holding that spot and blasting elbows in place. So there's a lot of people that use like the first couple of steps of the position, but they don't know High-level shit from then out. It's a long process. It's like trying to shoot doubles, but you don't really practice wrestling But you know what I mean? It's like okay. I see you're trying to shoot a double She was in a good position and she's so close to finishing this fight. Oh, look at this so close She's got that she shouldn't hit her. She should cinch it up because hitting her is going to bash her out. And she only has 15 seconds.

She should just cinch it up. She should be going for it. There she goes. She needs to scoot that left leg over. She's got to scoot that left leg over. She needs to go punching. Don't tap. You've got 10 seconds.

The left leg's got to be closer to us. Sarah, don't you tap. Sarah, salute. Salute, Sarah. Salute, Sarah. Salute. Oh, man. That was phenomenal.

Alexis Davis got a lot of potential off her back. She could be a fucking assassin. She can do it. She finished that. She should have finished that. That was nasty. That was nasty. It all depends what level you are with it.

Like my high level rubber guard players, they wouldn't last one like 30 seconds there. They were just that would have all just been a rap. You're saying pure jujitsu guys? Pure ju a wrap you're saying pure jujitsu guys pure jujitsu yes pure jujitsu guys when punches come into play obviously there's a big difference it doesn't even matter what the punches will make it easier the punches make it easier when the way you stop rubber guard don't punch that's unless crow cop elbows you in the fucking mug then you then you don't have then you're not in rubber guard but you're not in rubber guard. Then you're not in rubber guard.

You can't get elbowed in rubber guard. So if you get elbowed, you're not in rubber guard. But if you're in rubber guard. It's really tough to get a guy in rubber guard if he's aware of rubber guard, yes? So you're saying once. Not really. Not really. I mean, there's counters, but then you just keep playing the game.

It's like saying, if you try to throw that head kick, dudes will get out of the way, right? Yeah, they'll get out of the way, but you still fucking throw it. There's ways to set it up. Yeah, you set it up. It's the same. It's exactly the same thing. Dude, trust me. I got guys, all they play is rubber guard. High level guys come through all the time and I see it. I witness it. I'm looking

at them like, that's all I play. I mean, I'm not like... No, you don't own that rabbit hole. You're in trouble. I would be a crazy. Imagine how crazy I would be pushing some shit that I don't even play. Damn, good leg kick. How crazy would I be?

Man. It just takes a lot of time. And did you invent this? You've got to want it. And did you invent Rivergurts? This is a hell of a scrap. Oh, beautiful takedown. Circa McMahon's bass is ridiculous.

Yeah, yeah. A hundred percent. He invented it. He named it. The whole Circa McMahon's bass is ridiculous. Yeah, Eddie, 100%. He invented it. He named it, the whole deal. That's a big deal. That's innovative. There were some guys that had did some interesting guards in the past, and Nino Shambree had a lot of really cool stuff.

But what Eddie did was he put together a system, and especially a system that's really effective no-gi. And named it. Yeah. Well, and then he came up's really effective no-gi. And named it. And then he came up with the Eddie Bravo Invitational, which I've heard you guys say is way more exciting to watch. Did you guys see it last night? Did you watch it? No, but...

Aren't we doing one Saturday, Eddie, in Austin? That's an On It Invitational this Saturday. Eddie, look at this. Total potential electric chair position. She was back there. She was in a position where she could have totally done it. Sarah gets...

Sarah's base is ridiculous, man. Being an Olympic-level wrestler, she's going to be tough to deal with. What Sarah McMahon needs to do is free her right knee and then go to three-quarter mount. That's all she's got to do. That's the Damian Maia route. Damian Maia is something else. She's got really good control.

Have you ever rolled with Damien? Nope. He'd probably fuck me up. He's a beast. Well, he's bigger than you. Well, he's just, he's so like. He's a mess. You know what I love about what he does?

It's like so, it's so old school. Yeah, it doesn't look like he's doing much, but he's on top of you. He's back to his roots. He's cutting right through all your bullshit. Yeah, there's no jibber jabber. He's just cutting right through all your bullshit and putting the smushed out on you. When you watch really high level wrestlers, it's the same thing. They're not doing anything fancy.

They're doing arm drags, single legs, but they're so flawless with it. Well, you know, when he did it to Carlos Condit, I was shaking my head like, God damn. Everyone. Look at the arm triangle right here. Check this out. Sarah McMahon with the arm triangle, but she's still in the guard. She's trapped in the half guard. It would be over here.

Why should she get out of this half guard? There's not enough pressure here. You don't really need to. She could take her time right here. She could just wear her out right here and eventually pull that right knee out and just go to three-quarter mount. You don't really even need a mount. She used to use her left foot to she will she will

let you go she knows what's up she's like this is how you set it up inch by inch oh it's just that's beautiful she said oh that's the best defense right there turn away she would have just turned away no she would have just held on to that leg she's going out she's going out it's done she said oh you do jiu jitsu she woulditsu, bitch? If she would have just held on to her leg, she would have been fine. Powerful Sarah McMahon. No, she turned into the choke. You got to go away from that choke. I will say this.

Sarah McMahon is the master of a side choke. It wasn't about just choking. It was the 17 steps before that, how she set it all up. For sure. Man, she was on that shit. Not to mention she's a fucking horse that helps too she gets it

she gets it she got the chopping block hey dude you can't go horse like you you can't you can't

cause Shane Carwin you know he barely knew if he got that on you and he was a fucking Cridesdale you'd crush your

fucking neck if you guys wanna see grappling and it's and what it looks like literally, it's fine. Please tell us, Brian. Kale Sanderson's gold medal match, I think against this Korean guy. Watch what he looks like he's going for a walk in the park. He's doing ankle picks and weird shit where it looks like he's literally kind of moving at half speed. You know how good Yoel Romero is? Yes.

Yoel Romero beat Kale Sanderson twice. Twice. That's how scary a freak athlete Yoel Romero is. I like that right there. I like the way she slaps. Look at that shit. Look at that shit. That's beautiful.

Super constricto. She should have turned away. She would have just held that arm. She slipped. She turns into it like a fucking ball. All she had to do was hold onto the leg, and it was done. Hold on, Eddie. Let me know if I'm wrong here.

Hold on the leg and turn away from the choking pressure. It doesn't matter. At that point, you're just like that until they let go of the grip. As soon as they let go of the grip, you're gone. So you hold onto her leg? No. She held onto her own leg. Her own leg.

Because the arm that's in the choke, you don't want it like this. You want it like this. You want it like this. If it's like this, from the elbow here, you're good. If you're like this, you're choked. So you want it here. So what this does is this keeps it here. Holding your own leg, you're like this. If someone does that, do you go to the impaler if they try that defense?

Do you try to go knee to chest? I never. I always do arm triangles from the mount. I never let them have the opportunity to grab their leg. You just take it right from the mount I never let them have the opportunity to grab their leg. You just take it right from the mount? I never even leave the mount because if I leave the mount they're going to do that. If you know that defense if you know that defense

it stops all arm triangles. Yeah but from that impaler I remember trying that defense on you. That's a mount that's kind of a mount. Sort of. That knee is going to be in the way of this but you can push that motherfucker out. So really the best thing to do is just do a mount where it's kind of like knee on the belly, but your knee is on the ground, so it's like a deep knee on the belly.

That's the best spot right there. There's no defense. Wait a minute. Which knee is on the ground? Say if you're on left. It's like knee on the belly. Same side that she just got, right? So it would be your left knee on her belly.

But instead of having the knee actually on the belly, it's like knee on the belly. Right. Same side that she just got, right? Okay. So it'd be your left knee on her belly. Okay. But instead of having the knee actually on the belly, it's actually all the way through. It's like your shin across the stomach. Okay. Knee really heavy on the mat because if you had your knee on your belly

and they knew the defense, they would fucking pop that motherfucker up and grab their leg. I see. And now they're good. I see. So you have the left knee on the right side of their body

and the shin across the top. So there's no way they could grab their leg. So this is more of a mount. It's more of a mount. You might as well mount, but that is actually better than a mount. Well, I know when you would do it, a lot of times you would do it, we would call it the impaler. Do you still do that? No.

I don't even need it. That's terrifying. That impaler. Thank God you stopped doing it. It was horrific. It's always there. It's always there. It's a knee right to the sternum.

It's just massive pressure. As you put the side choke in. So you put the side choke in, and then the knee is on the sternum. Jesus Christ, that sounds terrifying. And I always found that that's- It's actually sternum, neck. It's like both. I mean, it doesn't work on everybody, but that's the best way to stop that defense where

you're grabbing the leg. For me, it was always the impaler. The impaler always stopped that because you wanted so bad to get that knee off your chest. You were willing to let your legs go, just try to push that knee aside, and then you just fall right into the chair. I only go to the impaler

when the regular shit ain't working and he's got a little angle, he's got a little spot, it's not lined up perfect, so now we gotta go, fuck it, let's just hold this and drive a knee right in its neck. And that's usually what makes them tap. Dude, you did the

impaler on me one time and I really thought my chest was gonna crack. I thought my sternum was gonna crack. Jesus. It's a terrible feeling. Cause like someone's cranking down on your neck. You got head and arm trapped in there, right? You got that arm choking in there. And then they got their knee on your chest.

And it's just scrunched. Eddie, how long did you wrestle for? You were a wrestler in high school, right? Two years. Just two years. But you were good, huh? I sucked. Really?

It was terrible. I got one takedown in two years. When did you realize, when you started rolling in jiu-jitsu, when did you, one, realize this was it? Like, you want to do it? That's true. But I did learn the twister there, which is actually the wrestler's guillotine. Oh, you weren't laughing about my shitty wrestling?

No, I was. Oh, well, you were. One takedown in two years is what I was laughing at. But I didn't get shit out of takedowns or anything. I was actually pretty good at arm drags. But, you know, they say it's like a bike. I think after, like, 30 years, it's not like a bike no more. You've got to start all over.

Your body completely forgot it, and you are a fucking white belt because I suck at arm drags. In high school, that was my shit. But what was also my shit was I was a leg rider because I was weak. Grapevine, yeah. While everybody was supposed to be lifting weights, I was on the side of the fucking building just like, ah. Not happening. So I had to be a leg rider. Every wrestling team had three leg riders.

In all my wrestling, my whole life, I never once threw legs in. I don't know why. Most people don't. No, no, most people don't. There's only like three per class. And I was one of those guys. It was the weak guys. You guys should start a podcast.

My coach is wrestling. Nico. It's wrestling talk, buddy. Hey, bud, it's wrestling talk. Nico Chia was the guy who showed me the twister. I forget his first name. Something Nico Chia. Fuck, I forget his first name.

He's the one who showed me the twister. Eddie, I got a question for you. What do you think's next for your boy, Tony Ferguson? Alex Nico Chia. That guy is the guy who taught me. Shout out to Alex. That's what I'm trying to do. Shout out to Alex. Alex Nico Chia is the guy who taught me. Shout out to Alex. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. Shout out to Alex.

Alex Nicoccia is the guy who showed it to me. Alex Nicoccia should be a fucking t-shirt. Hopefully he's still alive, right? He's still alive. You're positive? Juliana Bania. Dude, I'm 46. I'm not 80.

I'm just saying. The guy was in 11th grade and I was in 9th. Oh, gotcha. I thought he was the coach. And Jesse Barrios. He was the only other leg rider. Shout out to Jesse too. I learned the twister in high school. And then when I went to jujitsu

I was like, shit, I already got one move. So my takedowns suck, but I got one move. I couldn't fucking do it on jujitsu players because in wrestling you could do it because you give up backs. You know, when you give up a back you stick

a leg hook in it's really easy but in jiu-jitsu giving the back is the the ultimate sin so i was like damn what no one's even giving me their fucking back how am i gonna do this only the only move i know in grappling and then so slowly i had to figure out how to get uh to the wrestler's guillotine which later became the twister because higgin and Jean-Jacques named it that shit. I didn't. Right, right. I had to figure out... And Jean-Jacques was your original teacher, right?

Yes, yes. What a great guy. Jean-Jacques. Is this a promotion for these two fighting? What's going on right now? I can't hear shit. It seems like it's... It's a build-up?

Aldo gets the title now because he won the interim title with Frankie, and now they're showing Pettis highlights, the Showtime kick. Damn. It's a little weird he's fighting for a title, yeah, because he's lost two of his last three? What happened in his last fight? He won.

He won. He beat. Who did he beat? Oliveira, right? That's right. He submitted him. Yep. And before that, he lost.

Look, he's still Anthony motherfucking Pettis, dude. He was still the UFC lightweight champ. It's a brutal game. You're going to lose some. You're going to win some. Doesn't mean like, oh, it's over for him. He's just not fighting. He'll be fine.

I'm not saying it's over. No one's saying it's over. I'm saying it's a little strange that he's getting a title shot. That's all I'm saying. My question. At 45, no. At 45? At 45 is fucking.

Anthony Pettis was the 55 champ. He was the champ. Excuse me, sir, two years ago. So 45 is like, yeah, he's going to be right there in the mix. Come on, man. That's Anthony fucking Pettis at 45. That's a nightmare. Okay, well, Max Holloway won nine in a row,

and he's just getting a title shot. It is true. Shit's not fair in the UFC. You know that. That's a good point. I'm just saying. I love Anthony Pettis. He's one of my favorite I'm just saying. I love Anthony Pace. He's one of my favorite people in the UFC.

I'm scared of what's going on. I'm scared of the direction the UFC's going for some reason. You should be. What are you scared of? What are you scared of? I'm like, all of us. It used to be that it was Dana and Lorenzo and Frank was right there. But it was like, whatever you need.

You could actually get to them and make a change. It was like doing the right thing for the sport. It was all about, we're all here. Like you need you could actually get to them and like make a change like if something me It was like doing the right thing for the sport. It was all about every buttons. We're all here. We're working together We're doing the right thing for the sport the right rules for the sport. We're trying to make it right and now Dude, those guys don't even fucking own the Who owns it? Do that shit when you start the minority owns when you still face faceless faces people basically our seven the basic will not faceless There's there's our you know gate Dana white Conan O'Brien. There's a few few celebrities well are you manual particular?

I met Ari I talked to Ari he's a very nice guy. I'm sure he's very smart guy listens You know he's really wants to that's good to hear he wants to do the best thing they can for the sport who knows what kind of changes they'll make once they settle in and get a get it but these guys are masters of entertainment business they know how to handle things correct big fans of the sport but also and for on the fighter side that mixed martial arts uh athletes association is the first time where it's like a serious issue for them to address let me ask you this. How many different unions are there? I heard there's more than one.

I'm not sure, but I'll tell you this, Joe. So it's Mixed Martial Arts Athletes Association, which I'm part of. Tim Kennedy is – so there's four board members, right? And they just announced it. They have over 200 fighters right now on board with it. So it's the first, like, legit movement of it. Now, what does that entail? Like, when you're on board, so that means, like, if you go to fight for, you know,

you have a UFC fight coming up, like, how does that, or a Bellator, right? Because it's for everything, right? It's for everything. It's for any organization. Correct, but it's mainly made up, especially right now ufc players here's a good question does that hold true for like ryzen and stuff like that like what about um if you fight overseas i'm not sure so the idea i know their focus is ufc because the top dog so if you start the top it's going to trickle down so the idea is that they're going to have uh like a set a set amount of money you're gonna

make per fight correct correct basically and they're modeling after it after the baseball union which is like the best in the world as far as compensation and equal rights so this is good stuff this is good stuff great stuff oh shit is there any guys on board is there any potential yeah well a bunch of u UFC fighters, which is interesting. Tim Kennedy, Donald Cerrone, which is a big one, GSP, TJ Dillashaw. What's really weird with Tim Kennedy said about Bjorn. Cain Velasquez. Do you hear what Tim Kennedy said about Bjorn?

He was like a necessary evil. He's basically like, who's your boy from Balco? Not your boy, but you found him on the show. Victor Conte from Balco? So you know how Victor Conte was on the dark side? And then he came out and was like, I know how this shit works. Now I'm for the good guys. I'm going to tell you what they're trying to do.

That's what Bjorn's doing. He's like, when they say this, this is what he means by this. Wow. Well, you know, who the fuck knows, man. Because I was suspect when I saw Bjorn. I was like, I can't be, you know. I've heard stories about him, so I'm like, I don't want to be part. And then when I talked to Tim Kennedy, that motherfucker talked me into running through a wall.

I got the phone out of the cabinet. Tim Kennedy can talk into some things. Who's taking Mike Goldberg's spot? Mike Goldberg's not part of the MMA association. There's rumors he was, he's not. That'd be kind of conflict of interest. But the thing is You're thinking about Bill Goldberg?

Yeah, Bill Goldberg. No Whoope Goldberg. How high are you? Goldberg made a comeback, man. He played in the NFL, which I didn't know. Isn't there a show called The Goldberg? He's a giant dude.

You're on it? You're on The Goldbergs? Yes, I am. That's the one where you're like a high school... I'm the coach. You're a coach. I'm not only the coach, but they're doing a spin-off on ABC of the characters. Holy shit. That's the one where you're like a high school... I'm the coach. You're a coach. I'm not only the coach, but they're doing a spinoff on ABC of the characters. Hey, why is... Holy shit.

It's kind of exciting. That's amazing. It's cool. Yeah, that's awesome, dude. Dude, it's about time, dude. You're a funny motherfucker. Thank you, brother. You may be lost in politics and shit, but dude, I'll never forget that New Year's fucking

Eve, dude. You laughed, right? Dude, you had me... Fuck, dude, you crushed my soul when you were doing that. I heard you laughing from the wings. By the way, if you like laughing, this weekend for a lot of other improv. That's all I'm going to say. Come see me.

Oh, that place is the shit. Dude, my favorite place to perform. Hollywood improv. It's my favorite place to perform. How often do you go there? You go there a lot. I don't go there nearly enough. I go there once a year.

That's it? I wish I could go. Yeah. And I love it so much. We're going to bring the fighter and the kid there. We have to. It's a fun spot. Dude, I'm telling you.

People in Florida are fucking savage. Dude, I love Palm Beach. My greatest shows are at the Fort Lauderdale Improv. Palm Beach, Florida was great. Florida people are savage. Eddie, I could hear you laughing. It was so great. We did the Chicago Theater, 3,500 people,

and I'm listening to Eddie cackle in the wings. It was beautiful. This will be a fun fight. Are you guys doing some kind of New Year's show at the Orpheum? That's fucking insane. Yeah. Oh, you know what I did? Tony Hinchcliffe is there, right?

Tony and Joey Diaz. Tony just started his podcast. I was his first guest yesterday at the Comedy Store. Hello! It's called The Pony Hour. I named it for him. That's perfect. He was like, I don't have a name.

I said, sir, it's The Pony Hour. How did The Orpheum come up? That guy's got some nipples. You ever name I said sir it's the pony how did the orpheum come on how did that guy got some nipples you ever play there before suck those bill bird did New Year's there last year Simon and I was just looking for a place to do New Year's and when the agents look for theaters that are available that's the one they came to me with that's a good woman so I love that place That's a good one, man. I know the place from EDI. I love that place. That's our home, man. I was excited.

That's our goddamn home, dude. I met the owner. I met your boy. He's great. Steve Needleman is the baddest motherfucker on the planet. How many does it see? Shout out to Steve. Where is this?

Where is the? It's the Orpheum in downtown LA. You haven't been to an EDI? I don't think so. How many does it see, Joe? 800? I would say 1,900. Oh, damn.

That many? Big shout out. Dude, he did 3,500. Well, no, no, no. I know. Excuse me, sir. No, I'm just saying the Orpheum, when I was there for Eddie, I didn't know it sat that many people.

Pretty sure it's- Maybe because we were down on the front. How many? I didn't look behind me. 3,500? I think it's- No, no, no, no. 19.

I think it's 18 or 19. Something like that. I thought maybe it was 1,000. Oh, wow. Bigger than I thought. Yeah, something like that. It's a beautiful theater, man. no, no. 19. I think it's 18 or 19. Something like that. Is that maybe right? It's something like that. Oh, wow. Bigger than I thought. Yeah, something like that. It's a beautiful old theater, man. Yeah, man.

That's one of those places where you look at it and you go, wow. Yeah. When Steve first asked me to do EBIs there, because we were doing them at the Florida King Gardens initially in Hollywood, I looked at the website and I'm like, oh, man, this guy doesn't, he obviously doesn't know what jiu-jitsu is. Never seen it. Like, this is too classy for Jujitsu like we're dirty motherfuckers

So I just turned it down and then he again it said just come down and check it out And I'm like okay. I went down check that I'm like dude. This is like you do like the Oscars and shit here You know why would you want to Jiu Jitsu, but he's so into Jiu Jitsu the guy that owns Orpheum He's dude, and he's doing privates with Compella. That's awesome. He's so he competes he's 65 and he's so into jiu-jitsu the guy that owns Orpheum. He's dude, man. He's doing privates with Compella That's awesome. And he's so he competes he's 65 and he's competing That's amazing. He's a strong motherfucker He's such an awesome guy and he Dude when we show up and we he's got his EBI shirt on he's got his 10th planet shirt on the guy who owns that whole

fucking thing loves EBI like he seemed like it when I talked to him. He's a super fan. So when they brought to me the options of places to go, that was one of the first ones. I was like, yeah, I love that place. Did you want to be in L.A., Joe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, gotcha.

It's 1987. Goddamn. So 1900. That's way bigger. When is that New Year's Eve? What date is that following? On a Thursday? I think it's Saturday.

Really? Is it Saturday, Jamie? Yeah, it's Saturday night. New Year's Eve is on a Saturday night? Yeah, because there's a UFC on Friday. Because UFC didn't want to compete with New Year's Eve. So that's the Ronda Rousey, Amanda Nunes fight. Oh, shit.

And Max Holloway and Pettis. No, that's not true. That's next week. That's December 10th. No, what's the other fight? It's not Max Holloway. When is that fight? Max Holloway and Anthony Pettis is December 10th. What is the other fight next week? What is the other fight? Max Holloway and Anthony Pettis is December 10th. Right. What is the other fight next week?

What is the other fight? The other fight is Cowboy Cerrone and Matt Brown. That's right, Matt Brown. See, I have those both in the same level of expectation. I just don't have the energy. I look at Pettis Holloway and then I look at... Look, I think Matt Brown is always death it's always destruction it's always hell

you gotta go through hell they've trained together at Muscle Farm how was that? do you know anything? I don't know don't do that I mean everybody knows I'm a big Matt Brown fan

Cowboy at a killer. I'll tell you that. Cowboy at 170 is a video game character. Dude. He's a video game character. He mercs people in training. He's a killer. He mercs people.

He's doing something different now because he's not fucking his body up to make 155. We're seeing 100% cowboy. He's got so much don't give a fuck in him that to take a guy like that and extract all the water out of his body and drain him and deplete him, you deplete some of that spirit that makes him exceptional. When that guy's healthy, a lot of what he carries into the octagon with him is this zest for life, and it comes out when he's fighting. That gets depleted when your body's depleted.

You suck that life out. That's a factor. How good did Conor look at 55? Insane. That's where he should fight. I believe so, too your body's depleted. You suck that life out. Yeah. Look at Conor. That's a factor. How good did Conor look at 55? Insane. That's where he should fight. I believe so, too. It's like, jeez. Like, 70 is obviously way too much.

55, you're like, holy shit. He should have Aldo come up to 55. I'm going to fucking look like a unicorn. Yes, he should. For a let's just get this done fight. Oh, Aldo said that. Yeah. Aldo goes, let me beat the winner of Max and Pettis.

I'll win that belt. Then I'm coming to 55. He should. I'd love to watch that. Well, but Conor can be like, what? I beat you in 19 seconds. I'll win that belt. Now I'm coming at 55. He should. I'd love to watch that. Well, but Conor can be like, what? I beat you in 19 seconds. Let me rematch Nate or I might fight Floyd. But doesn't Jose have trouble losing that weight too? Doesn't he have

a motherfucker of a time getting to 45? Oh yeah, he'd be better at 55 too. This guy's got tits. He's cute lava. Jose's had some real issues. Big issues. Where the fuck is he from? That whole camp.

He looks tough. What is that? Chiss now. God damn, he looks tough. Oh, no, he didn't. Oh, man, you just walk right up to that guy and cut his throat. He's going to be a star. He's my favorite fighter.

That when you said that, I go, he's going to be a star. Yeah, me too. What is he, a fucking serial killer? That looks so legit. He's the Russian Conor McGregor. Dude, he scares me. That looks so legit. Oh, my God. He fucking he, a fucking solution? Is he the Russian Conor McGregor? Dude, he scares me. That looks so legit. Oh my God.

He fucking scares me. One of those countries. Hey, what if he just gets knocked out, vicious head kick in five seconds after that? I don't know. Let me see. I got to sit on your lap for this, dude. Yeah, I'm scared. Dude, look at him.

Oh my God. He's got some tits. Look at this sociopath. Meanwhile, then he goes to put his gloves. That's some bitch ass shit. Wow. You can't do that after you do the other thing. Definitely can't.

Never bet against black. Oh, he's going to get lit up. Powerful reincarnation of Michael Clark ducking. Hey, man. He does look like him. Oh, good uppercut. Oh, he's not fucking around. He's already hurt.

You don't do a throat slash and not fucking come out a booming. What if he gets knocked out, though? Then it's really embarrassing. Then he will never do that ever again. He made his play. I mean, it's a psychological good move, but it's kind of negated by the fist bump. The fist bump brings the confidence level back up a solid 10%.

It sure does. Well, Cannoneer has got to get over the fact the guy's face looks so intimidating. Once he does, he's going to win. Yeah, Brian, I don't think he's looking at his face anymore. Now they touch gloves again. There's a lot of unity going on here, a lot of brothership. Oh, and he's getting touched with the right hand.

That's going to favor a cannoneer. Kute Laba keeps his hands down, guys. It's about fundamentals. I've always told you guys. It's about fundamentals. I believe I've heard that from you before. Thanks, buddy. That's something you really...

Look at this guy. He's an animal. I do recreational boxing, and I'm a blue belt in jiu-jitsu. You know, my problem lately... That was 10 years ago, sir. My problem lately with MMA is that I've been watching too much Muay Thai. I've been watching a ton of Muay Thai lately. You're a stickler for technique.

Well, I just recognize there's another level to be achieved that you're seeing, especially with striking, like with a lot of guys, you're seeing a certain level of technique on a consistent basis because they have to concentrate on a lot of different things. Yeah, I know. I understand that. But it's hard when you have a few guys that have achieved like this Rory McDonald sort of spectrum where they can kind of do everything

really good at a very high level. Like you remember when Rory McDonald fought JT Torres and Metamoras? Yeah. JT Torres is a very high-level jiu-jitsu guy. R JT Torres and Metamoras? Yeah. JT Torres, very high level jiu-jitsu guy. Roy hung out with him, almost got Kimura, didn't tap,

almost got his arm broke. Yeah. But ultimately, he went to a draw. Watching him fight, what's his name, the guy, the really high level

French striker. Tarek Safi. Tarek Safi. Yes. And he came out with a whole different style. I was watching him block and shit.

He's from Belgium. But Joe, isn't that the evolution of the sport? Like Roy started MMA when he was 12. MMA. He didn't specialize in anything. So you're going to see, like you look at fucking homeboy, what's his name? With the spikey hair.

Looks like Zach Morris. Sage Northcutt. Yeah, Sage Northcutt. He's also a kid who started. So you're going to get this wave of guys who just do MMA. Well, Sage started with karate. And he's way more of a karate guy than he is a jiu-jitsu guy. It's not that he's not better at jiu-jitsu now.

I mean, he definitely showed that in his last fight. And he's submitted guys in the past. He's just a young kid. He's a freak, too. He's genetically. He's a fantastic athlete who's a young kid who's got a lot of life to learn. Is he on the December 10th card against Mickey Gall? When the fuck is that?

Did you see him rip that apple in half? That's a barn burner. When is that fight? That's not that impressive. When is that fight? No, that fight is somewhere else. It's in December, I thought. Am I wrong?

Why do I feel like that fight is somewhere else? Mickey Gall versus Sage Northcutt is a fun fight. I feel like that fight is somewhere else. Mickey Gall's a motherfucker. He gets to the full card pretty easily. He's a motherfucker. He's very good at jiu-jitsu. I think he's more talented than Sage Northcutt.

Oh, I think he's extremely talented, period. And I love how he calls the guys out. He's a big kid, man. Like, we've seen two real good fights from him, and of course one of them was against a guy. Oh, there it is. There it is. Saturday, the 17th, UFC fight night.

Two cuties. Van Zandt versus Michelle Watterson. Two cuties. Oh, boys, I'm not going to be here for that. Alan Joban, too. How dare you, Joe Rogan. God damn it. You're out of favor.

This is the problem with having family. Where are you going, man? Where are you headed, sir? Sometimes I wish I was going on vacation. Didn't you just go? I go on a lot of vacations. I'm not mad at it, sir. Are you sure, Dan?

I wish I could. I want to just, this is, I'm in the I just want to live life phase of my life. I just want to experience things. I'm not good at vacations life phase of my life. I just want to experience things. I'm not good at vacations. I want to go places. I want to experience things. I get better all the time. You know what helps me?

Edibles. On vacations? Holla at your boy. Really? No. Holla at your boy. No. Holla at your boy.

If you can get them, you got to, but you know, there's certain places where you can get them. Don't bring them though. They're pretty easy to get. Don't bring them. Definitely not worth it. I bring my vapor everywhere. Do you? When we do live shit, I bring them everywhere. Shut the fuck up. Homie and it. I bring my vapor everywhere. Do you? When we do live shit, I bring them everywhere.

Shut the fuck up. Oh, me and TSA? We're homies. Me and TSA are cool as fuck. That's Brian. In a few years. Clear pass? What's up?

In a few years, there's going to be places where they have these spots where you can vape up at the airport. They have wine bars. I know. And right next to those, there'll be counselors I just use it to calm down and turn my brain off I can't do it I don't do it during the day this dude is heavily muscled which guy the boy the white fella yeah you're heavily muscled. Which guy? The white guy or the black guy? The white fella. Yeah, you're looking too much at the white guy. The black guy's built better.

The black guy's jacked. Yeah, he's jacked. They're both jacked as fuck. Brian's like, the white guy. I can identify with him. No, look, they're both jacked. They're both jacked. But that was a confused opening. You gotta talk to that guy about strategy. We really do. Don't ever walk up

through the slash and then touch gloves. That was all just for a play, sir. Let's touch gloves. Let's be friends. Well, unless you're the motherfucker of motherfuckers and it doesn't matter.

You come out and Conor McGregor him with a straight left and just put him away and it doesn't matter if you touch gloves. I agree. Do you remember

when Conor McGregor talked a freight train full of shit against Dennis Seaver and then beat his ass. Beat his ass. But when they got into the octagon before the fight,

he went to shake hands with Dennis Seaver and Dennis Seaver wouldn't put his hand there. He goes, fuck you. And then he went out and murked him. You can't do that to an old ass Dennis Seaver. Dennis Seaver was in there like stiff as fuck. Only had that spinning back heel kick in his wheelhouse. I understand. But was in there like stiff as fuck, only had that spinning back heel stick in his wheelhouse. I understand.

But, you know. Dennis Siever's like, I'm from Germany, you fuck. We're not having this. Yeah, there's not. And then just got molly whopped in Boston. The world is a better place because of Conor McGregor. 100%. How about he got his boxing license, Joe?

He has a boxing license. Did you see that? Yeah, good for him. Did you see what he said? Did you see Oscar De La Hoya drunk as fuck talking about- No. Oh, Oscar, a party. Canelo Alvarez is corner, you know, that corner McGregor.

He was talking about Conor McGregor fighting Canelo Alvarez. I love Oscar. Silver up, bud. I'm a giant Oscar De La Hoya fan. Me too. Super fan. Super fan. People forget how fucking talented the golden

star was. I saw his first pro fight at the forum. When he lit up Julio Cesar Chavez, I said, I don't give a fuck what anybody says. That boy's legit. One of the greatest of all time. I was torn. I saw that closed circuit TV

at the LA, where the Clippers used to play. What was that? Not the LA Forum, but the LA. Great Western Forum? No, no. It was LA Arena, Los Angeles. Fucking the Clippers Arena. They had closed circuit.

Remember they used to do that? You'd go to an arena and watch the screens of the boxing. Yeah. I was a big Oscar fan, a big Julio Cesar Chavez fan. I was torn. I had to go with the one who was more Mexican. I had to go with it. Makes sense more Mexican. I had to go with it. Makes sense, though.

You know what? The real Mexicans, you're like, you know what? Julio can't even speak English. And he's coming out with mariachis. Listen to this for a second. We got to go with him. I'm going to tell you how legit Oscar De La Hoya is. He fought Julio Cesar Chavez and Bernard Hopkins.

What's up? And Manny Pacquiao. Yeah, and Manny Pacquiao. But he went all the way the fuck up. And Sugar Shane. And Sugar Hopkins. Yes. What's up? And Manny Pacquiao. Yeah, and Manny Pacquiao. But he went all the way the fuck up. And Sugar Shane. And Sugar Shane. He went all the way the fuck up to Bernard Hopkins. What the fuck is that?

And I ran Barkley. Bernard Hopkins, who was the 175-pound world champion. He went up to him. What about his fight with Fernando Vargas? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Son, this is golden boy. Vargas is a big boy.

A lot of shit talked before that fight, too. Good looking dude, too, and doing work, son. Hey, ask your boy Aubrey. Hush, hush, hush, hush on all that. Ask your boy Aubrey about hush, hush, hush on all that. No, I'm just saying. It's hilarious. Hush, hush, hush, hush up on all that.

Hey, bro, I'm not going to say it. Hey, bro, hush, hush, hush. Hush on those wild motherfuckers. So what? Hey, man. Yeah, listen. People have fun. Let's protect Oscar.

I love Oscar. Dude. I love Fernando Vargas. Oh, shit. That guy's spun. He's getting lit up. He got punched and spun. Hard elbows on top.

Shouldn't have gotten taken down. This is a good fight right here. What's really cool about MMA is that you can't really be the very best at everything. You could be the best at putting it all together for your specific body, the best at handling pressure in your division, but you can't be the best jujitsu guy, the best kickboxer, the best wrestler. No. Because it's just good. You don't have time.

There's so many super athletes out there. It's almost impossible for one person to be the very best at everything. Correct. It's almost impossible for one person to be the very best at everything. That's one of the things that makes MMA so exciting, is because you see this collision of different strategies. And you'll see one strategy work for a long time, and you go, hey, ground and pound is where it's at.

Remember when Vitor Belfort got up to 240 pounds? Because that was the motherfucking Mark Coleman era. Oh, you're talking about the phenom. Yeah, it was for a while he was. See, this is what happened. Mark Coleman was just tackling dudes and smashing their fucking faces in, and everybody panicked. Do you remember when you interviewed him?

He was so jacked. Joe interviewed him one time, and this was like literally 15, 16 years ago, and Joe interviewed him, and Mark goes, Joe goes, so what's your strategy? And Mark goes, I'm gonna beat the fucking shit out of him. No, no, no, no, no, no. He was drunk.

First of all- You got scared. I'd never seen you- I did get scared. He liked some beer. But I love Mark. Mark and I have been friends for a long time. So even though I was scared, I was reasonably sure he wasn't going to hurt me.

Right. But he picked me up like a pillow. Like I was a pillow. Like a pillow. He spun me around in the air. He did? Mark Coleman. How long ago is this?

Hammered Mark Coleman. How long ago? Many a day. Oh, that was a day a day dude. He's so strong I remember you said to me. I know you were stammering you go. Hey, man. I was fucking scared He's so strong. He's like I felt like I've never felt lighter. I was like Gravity you just didn't exist anymore pick him up throw him around beat the fucking shit out I know he was he gonna fight this is what he said he was I'm him on the ground, beat the fucking shit out of him. He goes, this is what he said. He goes, I'm taking him down. I'm gonna ground and pound the fucking shit out of him. I was like, oh, shit.

I was asking him about an upcoming fight. And you stammered. You went, um, um, um. Hey, I'll never forget when I met him, the first time I met him, it was after he got beat by Maury Smith. And if you remember, he was supposed to crush Maury Smith. The kickboxers come in. And at that point, striking was useless. At that point, striking was useless.

And Mark Coleman emerged after hoist. So here comes Maury Smith, the striker. He don't know any jiu-jitsu. He don't know no wrestling. He's going to get fucked up. But he beat him on cardio, right? Because remember, Mark Coleman kept taking him down. And leg kicks.

And leg kicks. He kept taking him down. You've got to also give credit to Frank Shamrock because Frank Shamrock worked a lot with Maurice Smith before that fight. And one of the things they developed is a really good butterfly guard for Maurice. Maurice kept elevating Mark's hips,

kept moving him around a lot. He had a very good, a very hard guard to pass. Shout out to Frank Shamrock. Right away, Maurice Smith. Like what Maurice Smith had that most guys didn't have in the early days is you couldn't pass his guard. He had a very good butterfly guard, and he knew how to retain. Hell of an athlete. He used lockdown and shit back in the day.

So Mark Coleman kept taking him down at will, but he couldn't finish him off. He didn't have an injury. Well, here's another point. He was a great guy. I love Maurice Smith. Great guy. Here's another very important point. If you are an outstanding world-class kickboxer like he is,

the same principles of defense apply on the ground with ground and pound. It's harder to move your head backwards, but a guy like that is significantly harder to hit than a guy who's not used to taking punches in front of someone. Not even if he freezes up. So when he sees these big bombs coming, he's doing a lot of this. He's grabbing you. He's clinching.

He's not going to sit there. Of course, there are guys that are overwhelming. There's guys like I keep bringing up Krokop versus Gonzaga. The second fight, when Krokop got revenge, when he got on top of Gonzaga, I'm like, when you see a world-class striker drop elbows on your head from the guard, he doesn't need to be in the mount. He doesn't need to be in side control. Krokop just needs that amount of space, and he is opening your head like a fucking coconut.

He shattered my nose. Oh, dude. Yeah. I was so impressed by that elbow he dropped on Gonzaga. I'm like, see, I knew it. I knew it. If you could get an Ernesto Hoost on top of you on your mount, do you know what kind of devastation that guy could do to you?

On top of that, didn't you say he was the strongest guy you'd ever- By far. You know Mirko was supposed to fight Wanderlei soon in Rizin? Yeah, but Vanderlei pulled out. No, I thought Mirko- No, Vanderlei pulled out. Oh, I thought Merco pulled out. No, Vanderlei pulled out. Why?

Do you know why? I don't know why. I don't know why, but Merco was saying all kinds of crazy shit about it. Who knows? He might get injured. I don't know. Who the fuck knows? Let me finish my Maurice Mark Coleman.

I would love to see the camp back then, by the way. Mark Coleman. So when Maurice Smith fought- Just bags. Logs on your back, running up up hills fucking each other up when Maurice Smith fought Mark Coleman his pre-fight footage was him running upstairs

it was either that fight or his fight with Conan Silveira but I remember him he'd be interviewed hi I'm Maurice Smith I've been kickboxing

I'm a world champion and they'd show him like running upstairs and shit like a football stadium like that was his B-roll yep and that's how he beat mark coleman and he beat him on you know he beat him on car mark coleman was fucking uh holding his knees he was like bent over and and maury smith just started fucking leg kicking him and beating the shit out of his legs

but let me tell you this maury smith was probably the first guy to ever talk shit in the middle of a world championship fight yeah i was i was ringside for that of his legs but let me tell you this maury smith was probably the first guy to ever talk in the middle of a world championship fight yeah i was i was right this is this is back when i was the post fight interviewer he was going come on mark groan and pound me mark yeah come on mark damn people forget maury smith was every bit of 230 pounds. He was a big guy. Maurice Smith was the first guy to incorporate, like, first guy to incorporate high kick

in, like, a world championship fight when he fought Conan Silveira. Yes. He fought Conan Silveira in World Extreme Cage Fighting. Remember that shit? And he hit him. That was back when John Peretti was the interview, was the, he was doing my job.

John Peretti. Shout out to John Peretti. Shout out to John. John Peretti was the interviewer. He was doing my job. John Peretti. Shout out to John Peretti. Shout out to John. Is he still alive? Controversial. I love that guy's commentary. I always loved his commentary. Is he still alive?

John Peretti was the stunt coordinator. Shout out to him. He worked in stunts on Oz. That guy sent me a fucking direct message on Twitter one day. And, you know, I know everybody gets busy. But I'm not shitting on him. He sent me a direct message like, I always had respect for you. I

can't believe that you wouldn't have me on your podcast. So I sent him a text message. John Preddy. So I sent him a Twitter message back. I said, dude, I'd love to have you on my podcast. I don't know what you're talking about. Whoever said that is definitely incorrect. Come on by, son. I was always a fan of John Peretti.

You never heard back? Never heard back from him. But if I did hear back from him, but if he hears this, I got nothing but respect for John Peretti. I enjoyed his commentary back in the day. I thought he was fun and honest, and he knew a lot of shit about fighting. God, dog, we got a scrap here. Our boy's getting fucked up. The guy doing the throat slashing?

Getting worked. Yeah, he's getting beat up. He's getting beat up, seeing some shots. But like, John Peretti doesn't get the respect he deserves. There was no one before him. You have to understand,

this guy was like literally one of the very first guys who was a high level mixed martial artist, did jujitsu, kickbox, and was doing commentary for MMA. He was like one of the very first guys. And they own the show, that Battle Cage show. Exactly, which had doing commentary for MMA. He was like one of the very first guys.

And he owned the show, that Battle Cage show. Exactly, which had some great fucking fights. Why is he so controversial? Why is he so controversial? He's very direct. He was one of the first. He's one of the first. And you know, a lot of promoters have personalities,

and they're like, you've got to have a certain personality to deal with the fighters, the staff. Man, it's fucking stressful but john's mind like john john i had many conversations with him on the set and that guy was not interested in being a diplomat or your friend he was just very direct and very honest and had the confidence by the way built like a brick shithouse by the way yeah we had uh good conversations back when i used to work for the ufc back in 97 i never got to know him well, you know? And then I took a break, and then the UFC sold it.

This guy's taking shots, dude. Peretti wasn't there anymore. Keep your hands up, bro. Nice back fist. I like the back fist. He's walking him down. Back to the Mark Coleman thing. I never finished the Mark Coleman thing.

Let Eddie Brown finish this. Let me finish the Mark Coleman story. I'm sorry. This is hilarious. So after all that, Maurice Smith beats Mark Coleman. I go to a UFC in Louisiana. I meet Joe there. Joe's doing backstage commentary.

I go down there with Ricky Rocket, drummer from Poison. We're like hanging out. We're like, let's go see a UFC. It's in a small 3,000 seat arena. Just a bunch of crazy motherfuckers in Kemper, Louisiana. In 1997, when Frank Shamrock double-legged Igor Zinoviev and broke his calabical and that was the end of the fight Yeah, that was when when Mikey Burnett beat up fucking Eugenio Taddeo. That's old-school shit Most y'all don't remember that shit, but that's old-school shit. I was actually there live met Joe Vito was there

Yeah, remember yet. Yeah, Vito had a white It was awesome, but he was all young and shit Vitor was there. Remember, Vitor had a white Miami Vice. It was awesome. But he was all young and shit. But anyways, I ran into Mark Coleman. That's when Eddie Bravo and I became friends. I was like, look at Vitor. He's on his fucking set of Miami Vice.

We were just cracking up. That was pre-Weed for me, man. Yeah, he was like 19 years old. Looked like a fucking buff ass. Weed changed your life? Enrique Inglesias. But anyway, so I run into Mark Coleman at that show. This is the end. I promise.

We're ending. All that shit was a setup. I run into Mark Coleman. All that shit's a setup. And I'm like grilling. I'm like asking him all these questions. I'm like, so this is after the Maurice Smith fight where he gassed. I go, dude, I go, what are you going to do? What did you

learn from that fight? He goes, what are you going to do different? He goes, brother, look down at my feet. He had jogging shoes on like Nikes. He goes, I'm running, brother. I'm running. He increases

cardio. That's hilarious. He goes, look at my shoes i got tennis shoes on and we're at the ufc um i should be having some fucking boots on or something tennis shoes he's gonna run sprints after the press i'll give you a recent story it's not the shit on mark coleman i sat next to him at a live belt where I went to, and he had some of the best stories of all time. But he is a chatty Cathy. I was listening to him tell stories. I missed every single fight, man. He's a great dude.

He had the best stories of all time. Was he drunk? Here's my advice in the fucking future. You DVR the fights. You go back and you watch them. You enjoy time with one of the fucking Hall of Famers. Jesus Christ. No, I enjoyed my time. You have an opportunity you watch them. You enjoy time with one of the fucking Hall of Famers. Jesus Christ. I enjoyed my time. You have an opportunity to sit

right next to Mark Coleman while he's hammered. He was the destroyer. He was the destroyer for a while, man. And you should have been buying him beer and leaning your ear in his direction. I did. That's what you should have been doing. He wouldn't give me an inch either. I was squished in there like a motherfucker. He kind of did.

The fans bought him a jigillion drinks. I didn't have a chance to buy him a drink. One drink after the other. It's Mark Coleman, so he just beat him drinks. And then he kind of had a little down fight. But then he won that Pride fucking Grand Prix. And he came back strong. Dude, he was fucking yucky as shit.

I was at a fight in Vegas. Remember how fucking crazy his body was? Mark Coleman in Pride. Dude, he was like Lou Ferrigno. He's a legend. He's got some surgeries lately. I remember when he choked out Dan Henderson with that scarf hold. Remember that? He had him in like a side headlock

scarf hold type situation. Not Dan Henderson, excuse me. Dan Severn. Did I say Henderson? Dan Severn. I meant Dan Severn. Dude, that was his shit. Mark Coleman for a while. That was his shit. I'm going to headlock you and fucking.

That's a legit move, by the way. When you're that strong. And he said, hey, brother, let me tell you something. Strike is a skill. No, no. Strike is a skill. He's strong, but that's a skilled move. I know this for sure.

It is, though. He wouldn't force for that shit. I know a Brazilian, Dudat, he would do that. He's 175 pounds, and he was really good at just taking that side headlock and just fucking balancing and squeezing. Shane Carver would pop your head like a zit doing that. It's not just a strongman move. It's actually a real move that people just don't explore.

But there's a guy named Dudot, and he fucking tapped me with that shit. I know some dudes who are nice, dude. He would get headlocked. And he's 175 pounds. Look at the big dude. Duda was very talented. Hey, before I forget, what was the Duda? There was like a move from Rubber Guard. It's a Rubber Guard move.

It's like in the Rubber Guard family. You're trying to get a zombie, but you can't. It's halfway through. Your hand's through. Right, I remember it. And you just do a bicep crusher with your legs. I remember it, but I don't remember how to do it. And Duda.

This guy's getting crazy. That guy has a whole system around him, and there's nobody on the planet like that motherfucker with that shit. I've never seen anybody from the guard setting up wrist fucking bicep smashers and flipping and rolling people. We've seen about 30 seconds of the fight. What the fuck? 38. About 38 seconds. This one, people were giving a standing ovation.

It looked pretty good. Yeah, well, it's always interesting when one guy gives the fucking... Kaboom! Much better. Good box for this guy. The next slice. Yeah, he definitely was way more calm on his feet when he stood in front of him. And it was like, well, you also realize this dude was kind of gassed out. Yeah. Got a little emotional

before the fight. You know, you're either a killer or you want everybody to think you're a killer yeah it's an act and the killers are like Fedor who never did any stupid shit like a cane came Velasquez has my all-time favorite way in face cuz like he doesn't give a fucking he's like you talk all the shit you know I'm'm not going to be a little nervous. I'm going to have a full tank of gas and I'm going to rain bombs down on you until it's all over, bitch.

When does he fight next? December 30th. He's fighting December 30th, but man, there was just some... He needs surgery, though. What the fuck does he need surgery on? I don't want to hear that. It's like his 12th surgery since he's been in the UFC.

You can't say you've got a fight coming up and then afterwards you're going to get surgery. Why not? Because that's a ridiculous thing to say. That's the life they live, brother. I understand, but to say it publicly seems pretty ridiculous if there's insurance involved. That's a good point. From a business move, but as a fan, you've got to appreciate the honesty. That's true, too.

He goes, really? I should have surgery? That's true, too. But I want to beat this motherfucker so bad and get to the title shot. I'm going to wait and do it after. Well, here's a good question. Look at BJ looking good. He does look very healthy.

He looks very lean. Let me ask you this. Do you think that insurance should cover all of the injuries sustained during training, which, of course, all of them are? Yes, 100%. 100%, right? I agree with you. They're worth $4 billion.

So is that the case right now? Like, what does insurance cover now? Does it only cover things that happen in a fight? No, it covers, I'm almost positive, you'd have to ask one of your UFC boys, but I'm pretty sure it covers when you're in training camp for that fight. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, a certain amount of weeks outside of training camp as you're preparing for the

bout. But if, let's say I have nothing scheduled and I get hurt, it doesn't cover that. So if that's the case, then what he said was actually kind of gangster. Yeah. You're right. Very gangster. Super gangster. Because he's already covered by insurance, and he's going to come in and say, look, I

know I'm kind of injured here, but I'll deal with it and beat your ass. Yep. How great is that? That's pretty gangster. Good old Mike Brown warming up. Apparently, Frankie Edgar had a fucking pretty significant knee injury yeah leading up to the fight with Jeremy

Stevens well how about Verdum they said he went into the fight against Travis Brown with a broken

foot meanwhile he jumping side kicked him in the face and landed that shit like the matrix

and wobbled that motherfucker first move of the fight man so gangster man fighting's hard enough let alone with broken foot

Travis Brown had two crazy things happen to him in that fight. There's that kick that he opens up with, like, where the fuck is this coming from? And then when Verdum threw that punch and hit his finger. Remember when Verdum threw this crazy. He was like, hold on, I just need a second. Yeah, he snapped his finger. And you wouldn't have waited a second, right?

He's fair fucking game there. Oh, he's like, hold on. I went, excuse me? Yeah. I'm going to kick you right in have waited a second, right? He's fair fucking game there. Oh, yeah. He's like, hold on. I went, excuse me? Yeah. I'm going to kick you right in the face. Oh, that's awful. It's a weird thing, man, because if he says, excuse me, I'm done, it's over, my finger's broken, then they stop the fight, then you're correct to not attack him.

But he went, just give me a second. Let me fix my finger. I mean, but here's the thing. I didn't want that fight to end right there. Did you? It's not about that. No. As a fighter, I want that fight to end. I mean, but here's the thing. I didn't want that fight to end right there. Did you? It's not about that. No, as a fighter, I want that fight to end. I understand, but do you want to leave room for an emotional mistake in a time of duress

like that? I do. Where someone might have fucked you. Like, UK, are you ready to go on? He goes, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then jumps back in. Yeah. Like, there's moments where something can go wrong where you don't even realize, like,

is there a malfunction in my glove? Yes. Why is my finger bent sideways? Hold on, hold on. Yeah. There's moments where something can go wrong, where you don't even realize, like, is there a malfunction in my glove? Yes. Why is my finger bent sideways? Hold on, hold on. What the fuck's going on? Yes. There is moments.

But where do you draw the line? Where do you draw the line? A little honor. You know, you take it back to Game of fucking Thrones. That would let him fix the fucking thing. You draw the line like this, right? But where do you draw the line? I'll tell you where.

Ah, shit. I'm going to come around. You're about to set my arm. Give me a second. Give me a second. No, I'll give you the answer. The answer might be. It's like an eye poke. The answer might be. Not an eye poke. This is why. Hold on.

I'm going to shit on both of these. Oh, damn. Look at this. The reason why that doesn't count is because it didn't happen from him going for a take on his cage. It happened because Verdum threw a punch aimed at his hand and it broke his finger. So it's the same thing. It's the same thing.

It's breaking your nose. No, no, no. Aimed for his hand? Travis had his hands up and Verdum threw one of them crazy Chuck Liddell style overhands. But it seemed to break his finger? It seemed to break in your nose, right? Travis had his hands up and verdumed through one of them crazy Chuck Liddell-style overhands. And it landed on the fingers. Correct. It broke his fingers. It was a strike that broke his fingers.

It broke his nose. Big difference. Right. Big difference. But a function of that injury is, you could argue, is poor technique. Right? Because that might work with MMA or with boxing gloves, rather, or Muay Thai gloves, you know, to have your hands over there. Sure, but you could say the is poor technique. Right? Because that might work with MMA, or with boxing gloves, rather, or Muay Thai gloves, you know,

to have your hands over there, but to have your hands open like this, and to have a kick coming at you, and your hands open this way. Or a punch, rather. But breaking a finger, wait, because it gives them some more space. Let's see if we can see it. Let's see if we can see it. Talk to Jon Jones about having open hands.

Oh yeah, well that's offensively, though. Let's look at the punch. Good rebuttal. I like that rebuttal. That's a good point. But at the same time, how often do you practice punching fingers? How often do you practice punching fingers in the gym? Once a week or twice a week?

I don't practice snapping arms or practice knocking guys out. Hold on. You don't? No. You don't practice arm bars? You don't practice arm bars? How could you not practice arm bars? We don't practice knocking guys out either. But hold on. Oh, you don't? No. You don't practice arm bars? You don't practice arm bars? How could you not practice arm bars? We don't practice snapping the actual arm.

No, arm bars aren't snapping arms. Guys, we're looking at this fight right here. This is the punch where that landed. Which is an offensive move by Verdun. But I can't fault anything Travis did. That was a freak accident. Because he's doing the right thing. But Joe, that doesn't matter.

As far as holding his hand up. It doesn't matter. You're right. No, listen, I agree with you. Now, if he did it and his finger got caught in his shorts and he's like, fuck, give him a second limb figure out if he wants to continue. Here's the question. It's an offensive move that damaged the finger.

Breaking the fingers is the same as breaking the face, breaking the aorta bone. It's no different than breaking your arm, your shoulder, your neck, your head. But we have some weird sort of distinction, right? Which is why you can say timeout for that, but you can't say timeout if you get hit in the nose. That's right. Well, you can't if you're can say timeout for that, but you can't say timeout if you get hit in the nose. That's right. You can't if you're Verdum, because Verdum went, there's no fucking timeouts. And when the afternoon was like,

that's ridiculous. Why is that ridiculous? But it's not ridiculous. And I brought that up in the post-fight interview. I was really clear. You were well within your rights to go after him. Correct. That was inside the rules. But for the audience and for, let's just be cool about it, okay, your finger got caught. I don't fucking want you to die.

But that's up to, there's millions of dollars on the line. You know what I mean? It's like, come on. But hold on a second. Eddie's got a good point, too. It's like, the audience wants it to go on. We're like, we pay. And it's not like Anderson Silva breaking his leg. And for that one guy, it only makes sense for the guy that threw the punch.

That's the only guy that it makes sense for. He inflicted damage. Everybody else is like, come on, man. He inflicted damage where he couldn't continue. Nobody's trying to break fingers with punches. If that was part of the sport, like, you got to practice breaking fingers. It's not illegal. Let me knock down some walls here.

It's not illegal. Joe Rogan. Give Joe Rogan the floor. Let me knock down some walls here. You're both right. You're both right. You're both right. Yeah, it is absolutely.

Listen, it's absolutely. One of the rules, I'm right. Hold on. End the fight. It's absolutely an injury caused by someone executing a technique. But wouldn't you like the fight to keep going? Stop the fight. Stop the fight.

It doesn't matter. Stop the fight to keep going? That doesn't matter. Would you like Cain Velasquez, or excuse me, Fabrizio Verdum to win on technical knockout due to a finger break? Joe, that doesn't matter. I agree. I agree with you. I agree with you, but I'm not saying

within the rules. I'm saying, what do you want to see? Let me knock some walls down. Guys, let me wrap this shit up. Let me wrap this shit up. Hey, let me wrap this shit up. You got to stop talking over each other. It's brutal. But I'm the wise one. Let me wrap this up, guys.

Okay. Let me cork it up. Quote something from the Washington Post for us. Hold on. No. It's fair to say you know it when you see it. Yes. Right?

And it's up to you. There's discretion. There's certain things in life. There's discretion. Know it when you see it. Leave it up? And it's up to you. There's discretion. There's certain things in life. There's discretion. Know it when you see it. Leave it up to the fighters. Leave it up to the ref. You'll know it when you see it.

It's going to be a case-by-case basis. I say Brendan, you win. Fucking boom. You win, Brendan. Write that down, America. Brian Callen just won. Thank you. Brian Callen just won.

He won, but Brendan won. Look, there's just choices. There's also rules. You have to, every situation is different. But also, you don't know what happened to your finger. I mean, he just got cracked. He doesn't know what happened. He might have thought his finger, because it wasn't working right, was tied up in his glove.

He had to look at it. I don't think Verdum is wrong. I think Verdum's 100% right. But I think there's a moment of confusion. It's not like Travis got head kicked and was confused because he got almost knocked out. I think when his finger was fucked up, he didn't necessarily know what was going on. I think whether or not

that's true, I don't know. Only he knows. But I'm saying there's a total possibility that you get your finger smashed. Joe's the ultimate mediator, right? Joe's right. I try to look at the whole thing. I try to look at the whole thing. I try to look at the whole thing. Brother, I am.

I'm saying, even if he was like, oh shit, my finger's broke. I'm not going to be like, damn, is that broke? You all right, bro? All right, let's keep going. On the street, what would you do? I broke your fucking finger. Here comes a head kick to finish it off. Because we have millions of dollars on the line here.

It's not anger. It's professional sports. No, no, no, no, I agree. You're right. You're right too. Brendan wins. No, I agree. Listen, here's the thing, man. I don't want to argue with him. I broke your finger. Hey, here's professional sports. No, no, no, I agree. You're right. You're right, too. Brendan wins. No, I agree. Listen, here's the thing, man.

I don't want to argue with him. And then you said, oh, I broke your finger? Hey, here's your coach? I'm literally not even arguing with you because I see your point 100%. I see what kind of guy you are, too, Brendan. I see it. But I also, as a person who's greedy, when I'm at home, I want to see them keep fighting. I'm with you, Joe.

As a fan, you want to see them fight. But what about Fabrizio? Me, too. What about Fabrizio? You're fighting. I'm with you You're right, I'm greedy You know what I'm a fan of Fabrizio and I would like to see him win But there's there's a feeling that I get from someone winning by a broken finger that I don't like correct I like the feeling of probably should want a clear decision out of him. What's the problem then?

No, no. What the fuck is the problem? The problem was that he lost. Yeah, he won, but he should have won by broken finger. He should have won by broken finger. Here's a better question. Here's a better question because it's an illegal move. How much of an effect should an eye poke

be? Because I really feel like, I think not like... Changes the game. I think not only does it change the game, like Mitrione versus Travis Brown. Here's a case where the foul went in Travis's favor when he poked Mitrione. And stood by the commission, too. Yeah, stood by the commission. And he did it twice. It was two eye pokes.

Yeah, and then Mitrione, who was winning the fight, then goes to losing the fight. It's a significant factor. One eye? It's almost so significant that if you're marginally impaired from it, you might want to stop the fight. I agree. How do you feel about it? It's just crazy because in the moment, it's such a difficult, rational decision to make. But if you're fucked up and you can barely see out of one eye, you're like, no, I want to keep going.

I want to keep going. Joe, you've been poked in the eye. It's terrible. How long does it take for that bitch to recover? It depends. 20 minutes? Some guys never come back from it. Ask Michael Beasley. Well, that was a kick, I believe. Still, I'm just saying his eyes fucked up.

Any eye injury could be semi-permanent. Is there a possibility that they could design some kind of fighting goggle thing? Is that a possibility? We have to protect the eyes. They could design some kind of fighting goggle thing. Is that a possibility?

We have to protect the eyes. This is what I would say. Two of the eyes are getting poked. The only way you could do it is if you came up with some sort of adhesive, like some crazy, crazy glue shit that you could stick this fucking thing to your face where it's impossible to pull it off. And works with grapple. Or the only way. It would have to literally almost be like cups

that covered your eyes, but were, like, glued in your head, and then afterwards they put some solvent on. And then fans would really disengage. But then we would find out five years later that fucking people were dying from cancer, brain cancer from the solvents. Well, you know what?

They were guys who were soaking them in testosterone and shit. They were on their eyes. Well, in Planet of the Apes, when they make you dirty, they used to have a chemical that they would make your, you know, your costume dirty. Did you read that in the one of those Apes, when they make you dirty, they used to have a chemical that they would make your costume dirty. Did you read that in the Washington Post? In Planet of the Apes, the movie with Mark Wahlberg, they found the stuff that they used was a chemical that doesn't leave your lungs. Hey, can we please, as all fellow MMA fans, can we actually watch this fight?

Because this is a dope fight. Jorge Masvidal versus Jake the Jugger. Fuck, yes. He's a killer. He's slick. Great striker. He was Kimbo style

before Kimbo. Jake Ellenberger coming off of that KO of Matt Brown. He was on the death's doorstop. Dude, he had to beg for his job. He had to beg for his job. He said, please just give me one more fight. And they go, okay, Matt Brown. He was like, oh, my God.

I can't believe this. I'll take it. And he's like, I'll take it. And he went out there and stopped Matt Brown in one round. His manager went, come on, Joe. Give it to someone else. And Joe said, fuck it then. You're cutting it.

No, no, we'll take it. We'll take it. How do you know that happened? Nick Curzon. How does that get out? How does shit like that get out? Let's just not say that. Let's not say that.

By the way, Jake hits so hard. The narrative just got significantly weakened by your interjection of gossip and innuendo. What did you read that on the Washington Post? Jake, the fucking juggernaut Ellenberger. I got Ellenberger in this. Okay. I love him. The UFC section of the Washington Post.

Imagine that. Come on, Jake. I'm voting for Jake. All due respect to Maz Vidal, who's awesome. I love Jake. I love Jake. Jake Ellenberger's a bow hunter. Come on for Jake. All due respect to Maz Vidal, who's awesome. I love Jake. I love Jake. Jake Ellenberg is a bow hunter. There's going to be a left-wing MMA and then a right-wing MMA.

And they're going to get into their personalities and their lives. Guess what? Right-wing is going to win. It's going to be a real problem. Right-wing eats meat and does sports. And all the guys who have money that win a lot are going to be right-wing. Fuck yeah. Ellenberg doesn't support

NAFTA. All rights can invade MMA. That would be hilarious. I hear Masvidal is for the UN treaty. Masvidal had a hashtag, I'm with her, on his Twitter account for four hours. We have screenshots.

And it's like Republicans against Democrats. It's red and blue. In the future. Oh my God, it is red and blue. Red steps crazy. Republicans against Democrats. It has to be that way. Jake has more power.

No, not Masvidal can crack, dude. Masvidal will get knocked out if he plays this game with Jake. Oh, dude, I don't know, man. Jake and Malcolm out left hook, they play this game. Masvidal can crack, dude. He's the first guy to knock out Eve Edwards at MMA. True. He head kicked Eve Edwards back in.

Jake hits hard. That was back in Bodog fight. I would have never pegged Masvidal for a Republican. Oh, good left kick to the body. Oh, right hand. That hurt him. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Oh, Masvidal's fucking him up. Jake's in trouble. Oh, he's in big trouble. Oh, it's over, son. No, Jake, don't. Oh, he's getting deep in. Oh, that's it. Oh, Herb Dean's fucking him up. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, he's in big trouble. Oh, it's over, son. No, Jake, don't. Oh, he's getting deep in. Oh, that's it. Oh, Herb Dean went the ass first.

He went ass towards him, hips towards him. He's going to stop it. The ass was the... Stay down, Jake. I'm about to stop it when you see the ass. Come on, Jake. That's what he tells him. He goes, when you see my ass...

You got this, Jake. You got this. Jake is tough. I'm about to stop this. You see Jake come back? Come on. Jake Elberg hanging in here. You don't know.

Well, no, I'm just saying he's doing a great job. Not stopping it. Herb Dean doing a great job. Not stopping it. Jake is tough as shit. Herb Dean made the ass move. The ass was the... You lean your hips toward the guy.

Jake, you got this, Jack. When you see the ass, start moving. Masvidal is such a monster. Dude, that shows you how good Herb Dean is. That shows you right there how good Herb Dean is. Oh, he knows his shit. The ass move. Look at this.

But Masvidal has got him pinned up against the cage. Ellenberger's got to get some space. There you go. There you go. You've got to circle left. Circle left. Jake just took a beating and he's up. Oh, hey.

Well, Jake still possesses that crazy fast twitch muscle fiber. So if he can connect, he can crack you. Well, the last thing to go is power. See, right there. And Jake's always had power. But when you get hurt, you always start reaching for that because you know you're not going to play like a points game from here on out. No. Because you're diminished.

So you've got a few significant rounds in your chamber. It's just a matter of how long it's going to take Jake Ellenberger right now to recover. But here's the thing. If he's been training with Kersan, I think he has for this fight. I know he has for this fight, as a matter of fact. He's been at Kings, too, huh? Training with Nick Kersan is a big thing, man. Nick Kersan, who's that Marv Marinovich disciple?

Yes, sir. That guy's a wizard, man. He knows a fuckload about strength and conditioning and getting guys ready for fights, both physically and mentally. And I think he helped Ellenberger a lot with giving him the confidence with being in that insane shape to get ready for Matt Brown. There's no coach on the planet that can go, hey, you're going to get fucked up the first minute, and then we can work on that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. There's no conditioning for that.

Right. You're right. There's nothing. That's the X factor. But it's also like Ellenberger is a real veteran now, and he's experienced those disappointing defeats. He's been in there a ton. And those super highlight knockouts, like the Matt Brown fight, like the Jake Shields fight. He's composed after taking that beating.

Look at how composed he is. Ellenberger has what, 30 fights? What a warrior. Super legit. And the best of all, Hillary loves him. Do you know Ellenberger... Oh, shit the fuck up. It's a joke.

Do you know that Ellenberger knocked out Pele Landy with one punch? Yes. That was back in the Disney before. No, no. I don't think so. I thought it was a Bellator fight night. Is that right? And he took it on short notice.

Masvidal is such a good boxer, though. You might be right. Am I right on that, Joe? You might be right. You might be right. It was some... Jake Ellenberger. Oh!

Masvidal went with the wheel kick. Left kick to the body. Oh. Oh, Ellenberger slipped. Oh, shit. His toe. He broke his foot. His toe's stuck in the cage.

You should let him recover. What happened? I think he broke his foot! His toe's stuck in that cage! You should let him recover! What happened? I think he broke his foot or ankle in the cage. What do you do at this point? No, my mistake. We're going to find out. This is hilarious, guys. We're seeing exactly what we saw.

Yeah, we are. We're seeing exactly what we're talking about. Brendan's going to say, fuck him! Is this fight stopped? Is this fight stopped? And Joe's going to say, hey, give the guy a little fucking chance. Well, I'm on both of your side. That's the problem, Eddie.

I haven't picked a side. I'm on both of your sides. I didn't say what my side was at this point. Hold on, controversial. I didn't say. But what you did before when we were talking about the finger break. I said, at this point, he was getting fucked up. So he's getting fucked up.

Hey, Jamie, give us some volume. Let's find out what the hell happened here. Here, Ellenberger. Sprints like a psycho. He throws the kick. He slides in. Toe goes boom! Oh my god, his foot went right into the cage. Oh shit, I get it.

Look, it's stuck. I get it. What do you think now, Brendan? Let me tell me what you think. If I'm Masvidal, I wail away exactly like he did and win the fight exactly like he did. There's too much riding on it. Dude, you're so fucking mean. Okay, well, the fight's over.

It is over? The fight is over, yeah. I'm in. I see that's like a freak. I thought these were your homeboys. This is what I feel like. This is my take on this. This is a great fight, a fun fight that ended with a freak accident.

I think Masvidal got in some great shots. in some great shots yes Ellenberger looked like he was staying calm but if you had to go to a decision off of the injury you would got to give it to Masvidal hundred percent Masvidal was putting it to him Masvidal had him in a lot of trouble like this slides in his toe went right in there and he snapped it oh man oh he he just snapped his toe backwards. Brennan, have you changed your stance? Are you going to change your stance now? No, no, no, no.

Oh, you're so ruthless. As a fan, I hope it goes on. As a fighter, you murk them as fast as you can. Well, hey, guys, let's look at it this way. As people that love the sport, maybe we should redesign the bottom of the cage. Yes. I'm down for that, but it's not his fault.

It's not his fault his foot got caught in the fence. That's not part of the game. It's not part of the game. Might as well still get paid. You move to the left and he fucking slides in and he gets his foot caught. No, he did a flying knee. Let me ask you this as a person who's fought in the octagon. Is there an argument for extending the lip a little bit?

So instead of tucking it in like that, extending it up and putting it apart of the cage, you could only have to go up a few inches and it would remove the problem of the edge. But you wouldn't be able to use that takedown offense of those guys against the cage? You can dig your heels into it. Does that make sense? Well, that's kind of cheap too, isn't it? Look at that body. That caught him.? Watch my dog catch him in the body. Oh, well, that's kind of cheap, too, isn't it? Yes. Look at that body. That caught him.

Oh, well, that would help everybody, then. Everyone. Like having a little bit of, let's talk about that. Having a little bit of fabric pulled it through and up and connected to the cage, that would be a good thing. See, he slipped in there. Oh, my God, that's awful. Hey!

That's terrible. Fucking toe. Ah, get your foot out. Look, he's getting punched in the head, and he's still trying to get his foot out. I hope they don't cut him. Give him one more. His foot got cut. Give him one more.

100%, man. He just knocked out Matt Brown, and then he has this controversial injury. Don't say 100%. Here's the problem with the controversial injury. Mas Vidal is the one who got robbed here, because Mas Vidal was putting it to him before that. He still gets it. He won, though. He won, but still.

He would be robbed if it was a draw. Like, oh, he's injured. Both guys. I feel like both guys got robbed a little bit. I mean, Ellen Berger got robbed of attention for a comeback. Correct. But justice was done because Masvidal, who was winning, and he still gets his win bonus and Jay got you.

It's not a happy justice. It's not a justice that makes Whoville cheer and sing. Nope. Not at all. Whoville's not cheering. Whoville's not singing. There'll be no singing. Nope. Zero. But yeah, I cheer and sing. No, no, no. Whoville's not cheering. Whoville's not singing. There'll be no singing. Nope.

Zero. But yeah, I agree with that. I think you're right. When you and Eddie were going at it back and forth, I'm on both of your sides. I'm coming from a fighter. I get it. Finger break. It's a break.

It's due to an attack. Look, honestly, any time you feel like you maybe should stop the fight, you should stop the fight. Like almost every time for something like that. Should you let a guy go if he can't see at all out of his right eye? There's 50 seconds left in the round. 50 seconds. It's for the title. The guy's the champion.

He can't see. He says he's fine. What do you do? Stop it, Brendan. What do you do? It's a good question because sometimes guys go out and they win that fight. Case by case. Case by case.

It's hard, man. It is not easy. It's not easy. It's not good question because sometimes guys go out and they win that fight. Case by case. Case by case. It's hard, man. It is not easy. It's a tough game. It's not easy. It's not fucking easy. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying there's a fight and you're in there and you know what the magnitude of that win

will do for your career and get you to the next level and your punch guy goes, damn, dog, you got me in the eye. You're all about the winners. You're like, what? No, no, Eddie. You're all about the winners. You're a winner. You're a fucking winner. You know it, you motherfucker. You're all about the winners. You're like, what? No, no, Eddie. You're a winner. You're a fucking winner. You know it, you motherfucker.

Hey, don't insult him with that comment. You're right. Look, you're right. That might be part of the problem, right? It's like a killer instinct in the man. It's fucking winner. Masvidal looks like a different weight class. I know what you're saying. It's not just the ethics of winning or losing under a fair. Let me get out of here, get a win, and fucking get that bonus. Yeah.

Is that an issue? Is win bonuses or win bonuses an issue? And did they ever exist in boxing before MMA started adopting them? Are they in boxing? I don't think so. I don't think so. Nobody even watched boxing. Boxing, that's not true.

I don't think so. I don't think they are. No. I think boxers, they fight for a purse. Yes. And that's it. And it's a flat fee. Yeah. It's typically a flat fee, and then you've got your pay-per-view bonus.

But is there an argument that win bonuses make the fights more exciting? I don't know if you need them. Because people, I mean, obviously they're aware of win bonuses, but no one's like, God, I've got to make this exciting, and I'm going to go do this because hopefully I get the win bonus. Here's the real question. Tony Ferguson does. Yeah, he does.

That's his style. That's his style. That's his style. He does. He goes after it. Hey, Eddie, I hate to tell you, whether it's win bonus or not, he's going to fight like that. That's Tony. That's in his blood. Let me answer this question.

He's concerned with that. He trains like that. He wants to get that money. No, but he trains like that. He's a fucking animal. I've seen him train six hours straight. You know when people say, oh, I train eight hours straight. I train seven hours.

And you're like, okay, you're taking all these breaks. I've seen that dude. He was training all goddamn day in Big Bear in altitude. Six hours? Dude, hanging out with Tony Ferguson in Big Bear made me feel like a fucking little

mouse. He's fighting Khabib next. You know what I mean? I'm like, holy shit. You know he's fighting Khabib next. You know what I mean? I'm like, holy shit. He's fighting Khabib next. They thought it was going to be in Anaheim, but they were like, we're going to Anaheim. Remember, they pulled the pay-per-view from Anaheim. Is it pulled?

Yes, they canceled Anaheim. When did it get canceled? Today? Two days ago. Is that official? Tony and Khabib? It was supposed to be on the Anaheim card from my understanding. I thought that was like a hoax. But that's the fight. But that's the fight?

Yeah, that's the fight. That's the fight. Is it going to be that or Conor? What a fight that's going to be. Well, Conor wants to take some time off. He's about to have his first child. Totally get it. Conor's fight is with WNBA and Ari Emanuel.

It's not with Tony Ferguson. You keep saying that, and it sounds like a goddamn mantra. It's like, Donald Trump, KKK. How good is that fight going to be? This is racist, anti-gay. Khabib and Conor McGregor's real fight is with Ari Emanuel. Because it's true, Joe. It's true, though.

Put her on a placard. It's true, though. Whoa, Dan's got a dime piece for a wife. I don't know. Are you in the negotiation room? Maybe they're in a good place. Who's his girl? Well, even if they're in a good place, that's the fight.

You're a little bit of a gossiper. You like it. You enjoy it. A little bit. A little good place, that's the fight. You're a little bit of a gossiper. You like it You enjoy it. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. But, hey, but is it not true? Robert De Niro? Is that Robert De Niro? Where does that come from? Listen, if Conor's out there, little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. Little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. When he says you have a little bit of respect. He goes, did I disrespect him? When they kill the guy with his shoe. He goes, did I disrespect him? He goes, a little bit. A little bit.

A little bit. A little bit. Go get your shine box. Go get your fucking shine box. That was the guy. That's a great scene. Stabs him in the neck with a pen. It's a great scene.

It's a great scene. A little bit. So, yeah. But I'm not wrong, because when Conor goes, and I also have some inside info, but when Conor goes, I need a portion of the company now. I'm not fine unless you give me that. Who's his battle with? Tony Ferguson? It could be. They have no ownership of that. They don't have

control of that at all. Well, here's why it's foolish to get a portion of the company. Because he, by very nature of his dynamic being and presence, makes the pay-per-views that he's on spectacular. He doesn't elevate the other pay-per-views that he's on spectacular. He doesn't elevate the other pay-per-views.

So when he's there, is he saying, should he get a percentage of the pay-per-views? Absolutely. And he does. Should he get a percentage of the company? You would have to prove that you're making the company bigger. No, you're not. You're making yourself bigger. But he is, in my opinion, the most famous. But the fights that he draws for, he will get compensated for in an extraordinary manner.

The idea of him being an owner of the entire company based on what he's able to do in his own individual pay-per-views, that would be foolhardy. But what about marketing? I'm obviously not a businessman. So don't listen. What about marketing Conor McGregor? When they have Ben Affleck, he can be part of the country. Why did Anaheim get pulled?

Because it didn't have a fucking title fight. What does that mean? That the UFC, without gigantic stars like Conor McGregor or Ronda Rousey or Jon Jones or Pedersen Holloway, without the killers, nobody wants to watch. Correct. True. Correct.

That's what's up. You don't want to pay for pay-per-view. You want to pay for killers. Superstars make the company. Yeah, you can have some fights that are pay-per-view fights. You can have some fights that are pay-per-view fights without world champions on it. It is totally possible. If you had a bunch of cowboy

Matt Brown type fights on and just a bunch of them and none of them for the world title, you tell me you wouldn't watch? You tell me you wouldn't watch Yoel Romero versus Luke Rockhold? Not a draw. I don't give a fuck. I'm not talking to you you goddamn communist.

Would you or would you not? It's all socialism, man. He's in unions and shit. Yeah, you fucking socialist. The guy admitted he's in the fucking union before the show. He's a left-winger. He's a left-winger. Black helicopters. I've got the documents.

Goddamn black helicopters. Eddie knows what's up. Infowars, baby. Oh, Jordan Meehan versus Emile Meek. That's a good fucking fight, man. That knows what's happening. Info Wars, baby. Oh, Jordan Meehan versus Emil Meek. That's a good fucking fight, man. Tim Kennedy, Kelvin. Jordan Meehan on Cyborg, the male Cyborg, in Strike Force. Landed one of the most devastating fucking elbow combinations to put out Cyborg.

And Emil Meek is the guy who beat up Toquino. He knocked out Toquino when he first got kicked out of the UFC. When Usmar Pajarez got kicked out of the UFC, he fought this mad Viking, Emil Meek. He beat the fuck out of him. He KO'd him in the first round. What's Toquinho doing? He keeps getting KO'd. He keeps getting KO'd.

But is he ripping bitches' legs off in jiu-jitsu? He fought Gary Tonin in a straight-up jiu-jitsu match. It went to a draw, but Gary Tonin was dominating. Gary Tonin was attacking him way more than he was attacking him. Dude, do you remember how scary Tokino was for a while? Yeah, but here's the thing. Gary Tonin is maybe 30 pounds lighter than him. No bullshit.

Gary Tonin's best in the world. I'm just saying. That's incredible. As far as MMA, remember when Tokino was, when it was Poliharis? Right. Motherfuckers were terrified. You know why I was fascinated about that fight? It was not just that Gary Tonin is a motherfucker,

but that John Donahue and I had this conversation about the entrances that Toquino uses. You know, and I'm like, the entrances, how he establishes the entrance into his techniques. That he has like some pretty obvious entrances. He's like, he's kind of basic in the way he approaches leg locks. His take was that they would always be one step ahead of him and eventually

the strength would run out. You can see it coming so you know how to stop it. That's how high level and sophisticated that whole Eddie Cummings. John Donahue is a big part of it. Oh, yeah. Huge part of it.

But there's also a ton of guys. Dean Lister contributed to that in a big way because he came over there. There's a lot of leg lock knowledge that came out of there. But even so, Gio still won EBI last night. Dude. Respect. Respect to Gio. Dude, I like the way you brought that down

you did bring it back dude you brought it back the fuck down tell everybody give names tell things tell stories Eddie Cummings

is the most feared leg locker of all time Eddie Cummings is the most feared the freak show I think he's the best leg locker ever

I call him Eddie Leg Lock Cummings well I do you should probably stop talking. You guys can shut up. Just for a moment.

I'll wrap it up. I'll bring it back. Keep going. Who's winning this fight? Anybody have any idea? I don't even know what fight it is. It hasn't gone on. It's Cejudo Benavidez coming up.

Sorry. Go ahead, Eddie. I've ref. Most of Eddie Cummings' fights in EBI and just me as just the jiu-jitsu guy watching him like right there on top of it I can't fucking believe it man Eddie Cummings is just mowing through fucking everybody

the whole Danaher crew Gary Tonin, Gordon Ryan, they're fucking everybody up with those leg locks man they got a super sophisticated highly complex leg lock system. And, you know, once EBI came out, that's when it was exposed. And me as a teacher, I thought, fuck, I thought I was already leg lock friendly enough.

I had a bunch of leg lock wizards all over the association. They were everywhere. I thought, I'm totally open on leg locks. Me, personally, I'm not heavy into heel hooks, but, man, I love the fact that every class I have, like, three heel hook fucking just dudes that are obsessed with it. But that wasn't enough. Once EBI came out, I'm like, that wasn't enough.

Look what these guys, when you obsess with leg locks in the system and every possibility and every counter, and the way Dana Hurst put that system together, man, man, I realized right away, I got to get fucking medieval with this shit. So we did over the last couple years. Do you feel like you're competing a little bit with John or anybody? 100%. I love that. 100%. And do you feel like you're competing a little bit with John or anybody? Yeah.

I love that. A hundred percent. There's an IBJJF crew, you know, like the people, the fans and the competitors. There's the Danaher crew. And they're like, they're like Conor McGregor, you know, because Gordon Ryan's kind of outspoken. And, you know, he's like wearing a crown everywhere he goes. Gordon Ryan's kind of outspoken, and he's wearing a crown everywhere he goes. And Gary Tonin, he's like, they're all super cool, man.

And then Eddie Cummings is like the coolest motherfucker ever. They're very smart guys. Eddie Cummings is like an astrophysicist, cool-ass dude. I never, just, all those guys are awesome, man. And what Danaher's done with that leg lock system dude he just so he took what dean lister showed him dean lister came down in the late 90s at at henzo school and dropped some heel hook knowledge on danaher and danaher just systemized that shit blew it the fuck up and if you're not paying attention to the jujitsu world and the sub-only movement, the Dan or her death squad, Eddie Cummings,

Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, and even Gordon Ryan's brother, Nicky Ryan, they got this leg lock system that no one can fuck with. They're mowing through everybody. Artistry. Artistry. Mowing through everybody. That's like real

artistry. Do you feel like that's when when did you feel like, at what point when you were rolling jujitsu, did you feel like it became more art than sport in that you were improvising as you went along, in that everything was a reaction, everything was sort of predicated by your mindset, your mood of that day, what that person was doing. It had nothing to do with the mood of the day that I could tell. It had to do with reactions? It just had to do with how many times can you do a movement and train your body. Your body, whatever you do, whether it's jujitsu, tennis, basketball, whatever you do,

if you do it over and over and over again, if you're working in a factory and you got a job or you're doing something, the more you do it, whatever it is, putting this contraption here, you're going to be so fucking good at it, bam, your body will master anything you tell it to do a thousand times.

So it becomes a language you're fluent in that you know physically, that you know sort of... It's like any piano, guitar, building fucking blocks, factory work, and whatever. It's all about numbers. It's just practice makes perfect. It's just how... The more you do it, your body will end up doing it magically, and you'd have to just kind of executive produce things, and your body just does it magically.

Tying your shoes. Like tying your shoes, like playing violin. When you're shredding on violin or piano or whatever. Can you type, Brian? You're just, or type? That shit, typing. You know how you type? When you type, you're just sort of thinking.

Like now, I've been typing for so many years. I'm not perfect at it. It's magic. I fuck up. But when I type, when I'm in the groove, I'm just looking at the screen and thinking. And then the words just start, my fingers start moving. It's weird you say that because I was typing and my father said, Jesus Christ, you type fast. And it didn't even dawn on me.

I was like, huh? Well, that's what Dad and her son would learn with the leg locks. That's what they've done. They've gotten a system down and they understand practice makes perfect. Right. And they understand that- Perfect practice makes perfect, right? Exactly.

That's even better. Yeah. No, I love that about life. I love that about the idea that you can master something that you can't. Well, you definitely can. Yeah. You know, I mean, you get better at anything you put your time to. Even if you don't get perfect, it's so worthwhile-

There's never perfect. Ende endeavoring down that road. The reaching for it is the whole lesson, right? Yeah, you'll have milestones. Yes. But through those milestones, the most important thing is you're just enjoying the process. And then one day you wake up and you realize, whoa, look what I could do. Are you always learning with jiu-jitsu or do you feel like you're kind of over it? No, man.

Everybody learns forever. What we're talking about right now, what Dana has done with the leg lock system and what they've done with the EBI just completely dominate. Bringing it back to the Gio Martinez win last night, he beat Eddie Cummings in the finals of EBI 10 last night. I was just in Mexico City.

It was fucking nuts. When did you get back, Eddie? This morning. Damn. It was nuts. Jet lag or no? Dude. I was just in Mexico City. It was fucking nuts. When did you get back, Eddie? This morning. Damn. It was nuts. Jet lag or no? Dude, it was just, it was just, there was no jet lag. We're about to get turned up in Austin this weekend, me and you, buddy.

It was crazy. You guys go on this weekend. People think we hate each other, but we're commentating together. Why do they think, you know, people are just silly. You know what? Like, this conversation that happened at the beginning of this podcast when everybody went crazy, we're like the best friends. We're just two of them.

I don't feel bad about it. You guys don't feel bad about it. I'm a little hurt. Actually, do you know what I thought? But here's that thing, man. It's that thing that people have to understand. You're allowed to disagree about shit and still be cool. You can be both.

Well, not only that. But you don't have to disagree with something and go, because you're a a fucking retard that's why because you're a fucking douchebag the way i look at it is eddie is eddie wants to solve a problem and eddie like when i think about it's not get specific because we're gonna go deep into the rabbit hole i'm not doing that i'm not doing that no i'm not doing that hold on listen everyone. What I'm saying is that when somebody's passionate and cares about the world and wants the world to be a better place like he does, that's where it's coming from. We're all on the same team. That's where, yeah.

So when you know that, when you know that he's genuinely a good person through his fucking core, which I know that about him, like we just have a different point of view. I've texted Eddie about my kids. There's no way I'm going to look at Eddie as like, I can't do that. What do I say to you privately? I've always said I like you. The bottom line is, this is the bottom line, is I think they are fucking us. Right.

That's what I think. It's they are fucking us. And you mean everyone, everyone. That's like Jack and Jill shit. Told you. God damn it. Told you what you were getting into. We were just trying to get out.

Listen, man. I've known him more than you've known him. You don't know fucking him. I know him better than you know him. You're fucking me. I don't think you're fucking me. So if I thought you were fucking me, I would hate you. Let me tell you something.

Eddie, I'm trying to convince you. Brian Callen. They are fucking us. You're trying to get me on your side. No, fucking him. Brian Callen, how many times have you trained with Eddie Bravo? Zero. You guys don't know? He has an underground school, motherfucker.

Maybe I know him better than you and I was trying to lead you out of the dark lands. I take his online jiu-jitsu class, which is secret, double secret. You gotta be on the dark web. Can you even put a number to it? Eddie, am I right on this? They're fucking him. No, dude. Eddie gives me

private fucking underground cyber jujitsu lessons. Them are fucking him. Fooling him. When do you start working for Fox News? God damn it, Joe. You're out of line. Journalist. Oh my God. You're out of line.

He's out of line. CNN is out there. Hire this dude. This is what I want to say. Donald Trump. This guy would fucking be your soldier. He'd be right there in Tel Aviv just laying it down. I have a message for Donald Trump.

I have a message for Donald Trump. Donald, while you're in office, I want you to abandon the Republican Party and join the freak party. There you go. We will let you do whatever you want. Be whoever you are. Let's just try to be nice to each other. Let's cut the shit.

Get loose, man. Just cut loose, man. Hey, if they offered you $100,000 a year, Brian Callen, would you take it? He's on it. I'm telling you. $100,000 a year. They're paying him. They're writing the pilot as we speak.

They're paying him. Brendan's brother, one of my favorite people in the world, is sending me all kinds of articles on how fake the pizza gate is. Hey, listen. How fake it is. Let's not look at it. Let's not talk about pizza gate, you fucker. I told you I know him. I didn't the Pizzagate is. Hey, listen. How fake it is. Let's not talk about Pizzagate, you fucker. I told you I know him.

I didn't say it. He's the one who started it. Listen, a guy who gets really good at killing people, like jujitsu style, gets really good at playing games, gets really good at arguments. He doesn't want to get in more. He's a killer. He gave you an out, and you want to keep going? I love it.

You're like the little pesky fucking man. All I'm saying is before the night's over, I need to know what Pizzagate is. Not doing this. No. I got it. Off camera. Pizzagate. Pizzagate.

Off camera. Hashtag Pizzagate. Hey, listen, you don't want to know. Trust me. You don't want to know. This is murder shit. You'll get murdered if you talk about this shit. This is an amazing fight coming up. Yes, absolutely. I'm trying to get murdered. You don't want to know. This is murder shit. You'll get murdered if you talk about this shit. This is an amazing fight coming up.

Yes, absolutely. I'm not trying to get murdered. You know what I thought? I thought, you know what? I think the meaning of life is there's fucking scumbags everywhere. Try to maneuver around them and try to keep your family. But you can't. You can't stop all the scumbags.

You can't keep thinking about things. Just think about MMA. Pizzagate is Mark Henry. Pizzagate is a fake. It's a fake news story. It's a fake news story. It teaches us a world class. I'm going to end it with, if you watch Conspiracy of Silence on YouTube before you get into

Pizzagate, first the Conspiracy of Silence, then get into Pizzagate and it'll all make sense. Okay. Fights. But that's it, Don. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Then get into Pizzagate and it'll all make sense Okay, fights But that's it, done This is a fight, fight, fight Benavidez-Sahuda, amazing fight

Two Mexicans Oh, shit Brown on brown They talked a lot of shit Talked a lot of shit Give me some volume, Jamie On the show, a lot of shit I work for the company

I can get this brought back to YouTube Give me some volume I want to hear what's going on, man Here we go My prediction, Benavidez wins the decision Give me a little more, Jamie Two short killers, short killers right here Here we go.

Henry's a bad motherfucker, dude. This is a good fight. I wouldn't count Henry. You want to bet, Eddie? Quick. You want to bet? Oh, that front kick to the body. $1,000.

I got Joey Benavidez. $1,000. I got Joey Benavidez, too. I got 100%. I have Joey Benavidez. Jesus Christ. Oh! Jesus Christ.

They are fucking swinging. You're Eddie Bravo. All right. How about Dana and Austin, for God's sakes? Oh, my God. Oh! So who will crack it? Well, not now. Oh!

Oh, not now. Oh! No, I'm down. I'm down. Dinner? No, no, forget it now. I don't even want to talk about it. No, no, listen, boys.

Whoa! Boys, please bet. No. Can I bet for somebody? Yes. No, it's too late. You bet for Eddie. What do you want, Joe?

Oh, look at that. I want Eddie to pick. Now you want to bet? I want Eddie to pick. Eddie got Cejudo. I got Henry. I'm his backer. I got Henry. Okay, Eddie has to do Cejudo. Okay, I'm just his backer. I want Eddie to pick. Eddie got Cejudo. I got Henry. I got Henry.

Eddie has to do Cejudo. $500. I'm just his backer. Okay, we're in. $500. We're in. We got action. Fuck yeah.

I just want everyone to know that I'm not betting on anybody, that I'm merely a backer. Yeah, you're like the best. Brennan, why do you have so much confidence in Eddie? Henry's a friend of mine, so of course I'm going to go for him, man. Who goes a friend of yours? Henry's a friend of mine. Well, Joe Benav Henry's a friend of mine, so of course I'm going to go for him, man. Because Joe's a friend of mine. Well, Joe Benavidez is a friend of mine as well. I love Cejudo. Oh, nut kick.

That's some honor right there. Respect to that, right? Nut kick's different. Nut kick's different. But he understood the nut kick. You're right. It's illegal, right? Punches to the finger are not illegal.

Yes. But he recognized it. Respect. Nut kick's a little different. That's a respect thing, man. That's a bad thing when you see a guy know he kicked a dude in the nuts and then go after him. Oh, my God. That's different.

That's dead on. That was a little bit, I'm going to be honest, a little bit more taint than balls. Still hurts, though. Still stings. Fuck yeah. That was a dead hand. Still stings. Fuck yeah.

For sure. I think it's the bottom of that sack. I'm not an apologist. I'm not an ableist. I'm not a nut shot ableist now now Eve Lavina let you get your ass whooped now

he's been known to let it go a little long that's my boy well he's no Steve Mazzagati but yeah he'll let you tap for a little bit Mazzagati's horrifying I love Mazzagati

Mazzagati's my favorite Steve Mazzagati I love Mazzagati when Steve Mazzagati fights I'm joking tell me when Mazzagati's I'm joking Eveagati. When Steve Mazzagati fights, you tell me when Mazzagati's reffing. I'm joking, Eve. I love you, buddy.

I love you, too. Mazzagati can let anything happen. Hey, if Mazzagati's fucking reffing, text me. I'll fucking watch it anyway. Morris was digging his fingers into Jake Shields' eyes, and Mazzagati just sat there. All the best highlights are Mazzagati fights. You ever notice that? Yeah.

Well, how about when Mazzagati was reffing Brock Lesnar versus Frank Mir? Oh, my God. And Frank Mir almost separated his hips from his legs. Tapping like, Tammy, hit him in the dick again. Almost destroyed. You got to take a point. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got to take a point.

Well, Eve's a no-nonsense. I'll bullshit aside, joking around. I love Eve. He's a no-nonsense guy. If he thinks that that is two in a row, he will take a point. And here's the argument, right? If it was unintentional, should you take a point? Well, here's the problem.

The damage done to Benavidez is legit as far as it diminishes him. Correct. So that is worth more than a point on his potential performance. Same with an eye poke. Yeah. Eye poke's even worse. See, I think eye poke right away should be a point taken away. I think you're 100% correct. It Callen is a bar I think he's

gotten so drunk he's just holding his glass out to Brian Cowan is not even Who's a loving guy? Okay, you know watching them post for a driver. I go yeah I'm a major you can't throw those kicks like that you can't if you're not this one enough. You can't throw the kicks They're all they're moving target In 10th grade say stop okay kids moved a little too I'm just picturing guys named Chad with no fucking facial hair Chad just... Bouncing around Just fucking moving Just fucking switches stances with no fucking plan

Swinging for the fences, man Oh! Ray-Lum colored belts Oh, this fight is awesome by the way So who knows walking him down, man So who does piss because his last fight obviously was Demetrius Johnson got annihilated. So he's never lost. He's also probably pissed because he's lost one point already in this first round.

So he's got to win significantly. This round will be a draw because if he loses one point, he's been winning the whole fight. Unless Benavidez does something strong in which he'll win it. Oh, crap. But you know what, man? Sometimes when people take a point away, they automatically say, well, that guy is losing the fight now. It's almost like a psychological thing.

The judges are tough, man. Some of them are not good. Most suck ass. Some of them are definitely not good. Some of them are brilliant. What did you think of the Tyron Woodley Wonderboy fight? Have you watched that fight since then? I called it a draw, sir.

I think you're right. I think you're right. Hey, Brian, what did I say to you before they came out? But here's my thinking. I think it's only a draw because we look at fights wrong. I think Woodley won because he did way more damage. Way more damage.

Ended the fight. How about that kill team? And he had moments of total dominance like that first round when he got on top of him. There was never a point where Wonderboy was running the fight. Never. So there should be like a point aspect to that. I agree with you. You're right.

Correct. You're right. There's moments where you're like maybe like you land a jab and he lands a leg kick and what's better and what's worse. And there's a debatable moment. But when Woodley took him down and beat him up in the first round and smashed his nose open that was a significant And the guillotine that was the punches that led to the guillotine. Yes, it had him hurt almost had him finished So I thought he made a mistake going for the guillotine. He probably did gosh Yeah, you're probably right. Let's watch this fight you fucks no, but

Right now you're right God he won the fight like in right. Woodley won the fight. In fight aspects, he won the fights. You guys are talking about some shit that happened two weeks ago. Eddie's right. You're both right. Brian Callen and Eddie Brown with a voice of reason. Who the fuck ever thought that? Exactly.

These guys are 115 pounds. How dare you? They're weighing at 125. They really weigh 130. They're amazing. They're the best. Shut the fuck up. I mean, Brendan, god damn it. You fucking giant. You really weigh 130. I know. They're amazing. They're the best. Shut the fuck up. I mean, Brendan, goddammit.

You fucking giant. I hate Nazis. You have giant privilege. I don't have giant privilege. You do. You have giant privilege. Well, the viewers would agree with me. The ratings make the difference.

You have white privilege, male privilege, and giant privilege. You're a disgusting human being. Nothing bad's ever happened to him. He's never had anything bad. You have four things. Varsity blues. You have white privilege. You have four things. Varsity blues. You have white privilege. You have big dick privilege.

You have podcaster privilege. He's got it all. You're ridiculous. Son of a bitch. And you got giant privilege. How dare you? He was on the marquee in the laugh factory, the son of a bitch. He's like, hey, you fucking son of a bitch.

Thanks for all your 10 years. Move out of the way. Son of a bitch. Fucker. There's going to be that one night, Brian, where you can't follow him. I know. You're going to go, you son of a bitch. I know. He's figured out how to be funnier than me, way son of a bitch fucker there's gonna be that that one night brian when you can't follow him i know you son of a bitch i know he's figured out how to be funnier than me with your fat garden hose dangling out of the inside of your jeans yeah what the fuck is that how about you tuck that thing in that bad boy in how about you hide it from the children put it away god damn. Put the sock away.

Did you guys see the roadrunner kill the rattlesnake? I've shown everybody on my podcast this week. No, I haven't seen it. Roadrunners fucking kill and eat rattlesnakes. Would you look at a roadrunner? You're talking about the bird? Yeah, beep, beep, beep. The little tiny bird?

Yeah. You look at a roadrunner and a rattlesnake, you would say, well, for sure the rattlesnakes are eating the roadrunners. Yeah. Yeah. Roadrunners eat... Watch this. I would say the roadrunner runs from the rattlesnake. Look at roadrunners. Yeah. Yeah. Roadrunners eat. Watch this. I would say the roadrunner runs from the rattlesnake.

Look at this. Incorrect. The roadrunner's hunting it. Damn. It's literally hunting. Look at that dinosaur. It looks nothing like the tornado. Because they're up close.

When you're up close. Look at this shit. The roadrunner is so fast. I didn't see shit. They can hop away. They're like camera tricks. I don't see shit. Bro, bro, look.

It's right there. You didn't see that? This is, I looked it up after I saw this video, it's a fact. Roadrunners eat fucking snakes. Look at this shit! Oh shit, it got him by the snout, son! He just baffled him by the face, and now look at this! He smashes his head on the fucking rocks, how gangster is this bird?

Dude, I got a new favorite animal. Look at this! I got a new favorite animal. Look at this! Holy shit! He's just smashing that fucking head on the rocks. Look at this whip! Dude, shoutout to Roadrunners dude

he just Worked that motherfucker. He just Someone say he deep-throated that rattlesnake Guys fights back on shut the fuck up. God damn it. Round two. Look at that. Keep that. Keep that.

Brian, go for it. Keep that left hand up. Actually, that right hand. Thatta boy. That right hand up. Oh, Jesus. Cejudo's winging that right hand. Keep that right hand up.

Cejudo looks pissed. I've never seen him fight with this much bad intentions. Well, they worked alongside each other for a long time and talked a lot of shit to each other. But Joe keeps swinging for that that right-hand counter. Joe looks a little off tonight. Well, he's probably been tagged a few times in that first round. You know, he's looking for that big right hand to get things back.

The reason I thought Joe would win this fight, and I'm not saying he's not going to, he does everything really well. And Cejudo does a few things great. So I thought Joe would kind of edge it out with just mixing it up. But he's not doing that. Well, Cejudo has nowhere near the level of experience other than the Johnson fight.

Seven fights. Yeah, I mean, and Benavidez has fought Johnson a couple of times. That was when I was a goddamn Mighty Mouse. Cejudo's a tremendous athlete. He marked both of these guys. Cejudo, I mean, he's a gold medalist. Tremendous.

How bad did he knock out Joey Benavidez? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, he crushed him. You know, and then what he did to Cejudo was pretty goddamn impressive, too. It was amazing, man. Beautiful. He took him down, too.

And the technical kicks, or knees, rather, to the body, the Muay Thai from the clinch, Jesus, it was perfect. Did you hear what Mighty Mouse said before that fight? They went, well, he is an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling. And he went, there's 250 gold medalists. There's one, you know, fucking world champion like this. I was like, fuck. I was like, oh, my God.

So legit. I love Mighty Mouse. I've been singing Mighty Mouse's praises forever. You have. He's not my pound for pound number one, but he's amazing. He's been mine for the past few years. Who's your pound for pound number one? John Jones. Over Conor McGregor? Yes. See, but you can't say that, but here's

what I think. When you look at John Jones, I think John Jones ultimately absolutely has the potential to be number one, but he's been too inactive, and the fight with Ovin St. Preux, although Ovin St. Preux, I feel is a very good fighter, and it's a very tough fight. If you look at who has beaten Ovin St. Preux, and whovin St. Preux, I feel, is a very good fighter. It's a very tough fight. If you look at who has beaten Ovin St. Preux and how Jon Jones looked against him. You can't go off his one fight.

You're right. You can't entirely buy, but as of late, he's been incredibly inactive. As of late, Mighty Mouse has been not just, hey, fuckface, I'm talking over here. When Mighty Mouse has been active, he's been spectacular. He's been spectacular, but the thing is, is we've seen Mighty Mouse lose. We've never seen Jon Jones lose. You're right. God, you guys are missing a great fight.

You're right, but he's not fought. And also, what Mighty Mouse is, he can make a mistake, get punched with the right hand. They're 125 pounds. They keep on, keep on. Jon Jones makes one mistake against Vitor. The fight's over. Because of the weight classes, I don't have them pound for pound, number one. That is a good argument, except

for guys like John Lineker who knocked guys out with one punch, and Mighty Mouse who knocked out Benavidez with one punch. Still different than 205 pound monsters. You're right. It is a little bit different. Have you forgotten about a guy named Anderson Silva? Brian Gallen coming in and fucking

shutting that shit down. Best ever? Right now, it's entirely possible to make the case of either Fedor, Anderson Silva, or Mighty Mouse. I make the case, maybe Verdum. If he didn't lose his last.

No, Verdum's hard with a steep A fight. You can't putSP maybe Verdum if he didn't lose his last yeah Verdum's hard with a steep A fight you can't put not Verdum again with the junior fight Anderson Silva who finished everybody

it's arguable that Verdum's the best heavyweight of all time I'm sorry that's what I'm arguing not pound for pound Verdum heavyweight pound for pound John Mighty Mouse

you can put Conor up there but Anderson Conor's an argument Conor's an argument is it just me I hear you keep saying Anderson I'm kind of on something else don't you think he's the number one fighter of all time as far as like no I think finishing everybody I think John is with style the way he did what are we talking

about here you know I don't know shit about striking you beat up everybody you know that I don't know shit about striking Michael Biskin but I can visibly see when he's corner countering my god with his with his left hand I could see. And I don't really see it with a lot of fighters. I know I don't know shit, but is that? No, you're right. Is he like an amazing counter-puncher? Amazing. 100%, Eddie.

Amazing. Because I'm seeing like as soon as someone throws, he goes boom! He's like just waiting for that. It's so clean. It's so fast. It's so obvious. It's so accurate. Like he's waiting for you.

As soon as you throw, he's going to fuck you up. Well, Conor has this ability to slide back and counter with such incredible precision. He's just got a— He's got bricks. Joe, don't you think— Beautiful precision, too. The technique's perfect. He plants it right on your chin.

He's super accurate. He's so fast, you get surprised. How do you get that good? Don't you think his strength is, too, is he has some sort of skill where he can predetermine what you're going to do? You know what I'm saying? We've never really seen it. We've never really seen a guy like him.

A lot of understanding of striking and movement. How do you get that good at countering? If a guy comes to you and says, Joe, I'm going to dedicate my life to you. I want you to turn me into the ultimate counter fighter. I would say go to that fucking dude on his knees in front of Joseph Benavidez. Go to Dwayne Ludwig. He's all about the counters? Dude, Dwayne Ludwig. How about the fuck?

He's got the fastest ever fucking KO of in the UFC from a counter. And he fought out the Canadian. Yeah. He had multiple colored hands. God, why can't I remember his name? God, I can't remember his fucking name either. Does Joey have a twin brother? What would you do? Multiple colored. Why can't I remember his name? God, I can't remember his fucking name either.

Does Joey have a twin brother? What would you do? No. Like an actual, not sending me to Dwayne Ludwig, but what would like a drill you would come up with that you would say, okay, you got to do this shit every day. Well, it depends on where you're at. Like skill wise, like can you kick? Can you punch? Should you not even bother kicking?

How much time do we have to work with you? Like, what are you going to do? Like, if you took a guy who had, like, almost no kicks whatsoever, you'd say, okay, let's forget the kicks. What I want you to do is just check kicks. We're going to work on punches. Can you throw elbows? I don't want you off balance throwing kicks.

There's a lot of different things you would think of, but when you see Conor's counters, his counters are so precise, you only get that through that 10,000-hour principle. I would say you have five years to work with someone. You have five years work with someone you have five years to be obsessed and they have to be genetically gifted because there's certain punchers they just did not have that kind of snap to be counter guys like a guy like matt hamill who was a really powerful wrestler and a good puncher and a good striker ultimately later in his career he never had that but there's that fucking there's that fucking damn you said you know but you know'm not him that's such a good example good example because a tough guy in a strong powerful wrestler explosive

and right that right right right of accuracy that knockout there's a bunch of guys you could say that you could put in that category who were like really powerful grapplers who just weren't the most lightning-like strikers there's a there's a certain type of striking. There's striking where you know that the guy has good technique and you know that the guy pretty much understands where to be and where not to be and when to be defensive and when to be offensive. That's like a well-rounded striker.

And then there's guys like Roy Jones Jr. Every now and then you have these freaks. But Roy Jones Jr. was a weird one because Roy Jones Jr. Every now and then, you have these freaks. But Roy Jones Jr. was a weird one because Roy Jones Jr. abandoned all of the orthodoxy of boxing. I mean, he kept his hands low. He barely threw jabs. He threw a leaping left hook instead, and he had ridiculous speed and power

to the point where nobody could fuck with it. Dude, remember when he was coming out? Remember when he was in his prime? Yeah. Fuck, he was so fucking good. Did you watch the Kovalev-Andre Ward? Yes, yes I did. Great fight, man.

Terrible paper you remember. I watched it again. I watched it again, and I wanted to see if I was biased, because I thought that Kovalev won, and I still think he won. Yeah, so do I. I don't think he won by much. I think Andre Ward did a really good job of holding his own, but I just don't think there was enough convincing rounds where Ward won

in the way that I think the rounds that Kovalev won. I agree. So I was like, man, I was watching. I'm like, I feel like Kovalev definitely won, but it was close. And then when Lennerman was like, oh, it's a complete blowout, I'm like, well, I don't agree with that. I don't think Andre Ward won, but I don't think he got blown out. No, I think it was a one point for Kovalev, and I think the reason

why you could make that is because I think that Andre Ward sort of clawed his way back. He won some rounds. Like later in the fight, it seemed like he had got that jab established more. He popped a couple real good jabs on him. 7-11 he was doing work. But he got dropped. It was a 10-8 round, I think in the second. Oh, yeah. Second round.

I mean, you could see a one point round for Kovalev. a one point fight for Kovalev. He won the fight though. But I just, and I don't, oh shit, this is crazy. It's a crazy fight. Landed bombs. Crazy fight. But again, it depends entirely on how you score fights too, right?

I mean, everybody has their own idea. Oh, caught him again. When you look at the numbers though, the the numbers of significant punches and stuff like that, it favors Kovalev. True. But, Joe, your number one fighter is Mighty Mouse. Number two is Anderson Silva? Yeah.

That's my number one and number two. Because I judge him on what I see from him right now. And when I see, like, I understand that he's fighting smaller guys. I understand they don't have as much power. Margin of error. I understand that. The margin of error is different. However, what I factor in is the greatness of movement. And what I see in Mighty Mouse is pure efficiency.

I see crazy shit. Like when he got Cejudo in the clinch and he's throwing these precision knees to the body that come with no windup. Cejudo has no idea they're coming. Mighty Mouse puts it on him. I'm seeing the Mighty Mouse that saw Joseph Benavidez leaving his chin out there and caught him with one punch and KO'd him When the knock on him was that he wasn't a one-punch striker I saw him when he fought Hioki where he dominated Hioki for all five rounds and with a second to go Joey's catches him with an armbar. You know who he don't include in pound for pound Because he's not active enough Dominick Cruz

That's a great point. But he doesn't, he's not active enough. That is a great point. I'll tell you what, man, him and Cody No Love is going to be quite interesting. Quite interesting. Because Cody catches anyone that's going to sleep. He's my favorite fighter at that weight class by far. And that's a good point because what we're talking about is about guys who are really

good at certain things. Like Cody No Love is way better at striking than what you're seeing right now. Joey's way better. He's the Chuck Liddell of that weight class. He's the Chuck Liddell of 135. He does creepy, scary shit to people. Like when he murked Thomas Almeida with that combination. His striking is like, these guys make no mistake about it.

Benavidez and Cejudo are both very good strikers. Joey's winning this. I'm not sure you're right at all. I don't think you're right. He's going to win this fight. I don't know about that. He's catching him. We do this every time. Brian's been watching it. We've been talking. The thing is, though, is with

Don McCruise and Garbrandt, Don McCruise isn't a knockout artist. He's far from it. So he might land 30 punches. Garbrandt needs one in 25 minutes. But we've never seen Garbrandt four and five rounds in. Correct. It's going to be interesting because he's a very explosive guy. It's such a fun fight 25 minutes. But we've never seen Garbrandt four and five rounds in. Correct. It's going to be interesting because he's a very explosive guy. It's such a fun fight, though. But he's never been a

guy that shows any sort of a slowdown in his style. I like it, man. Some people are upset that he got it. I love it. Oh, no, it's great. The only person I feel bad for, yeah, I feel bad for TJ. Oh, TJ, here's fucking Lineker too. Oh, my God. No tile shot. Here's Lineker the monster. Lineker's a scary dude. Yeah, he's the scary, yes. He's fucking Lineker, too. Oh, my God. No tile shot. Here's Lineker the monster.

Lineker is a scary dude. Yeah, he's the scary. Yes. He's got some creepy power in his hands, man. Lineker Garbrandt's the motherfucking fight. Yeah, right? And Lineker seems to have an iron chin, too, which is scary. He fights scary, right? He fights.

He's a terrifying powerhouse, man. See, I thought John Dotson beat him. Really? Because Lineker was coming forward nonstop. Had Dotson won that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again. I remember seeing the decision thinking it was correct. I'd have to go back and watch that again.

Who do you think won this fight? We weren't paying attention. I've been talking to you about paying for a pound. I think Joey landed more strikes. Like clean strikes on his face. That's what it looked like to me. Might have. And then you're going to have to pay his back. Because Cejudo kept throwing, but Joey was

weathering the storm and not getting hit. Not getting hurt. I like it. I like putting a little on the line. I'm just a backer. I like being in action. I hear you, man. I really care who the horse is. And then the main event, is anyone taking Tim Elliott? Not you, Rogan.

You guys aren't down to order pizza? Right here? No. I don't want pizza want to... You guys aren't down to order pizza? Right here? No. I don't want pizza players to know where we are. Pizza players? I was like, what the fuck's a pizza player? How do you guys do it over here? I can answer the door.

How would they know? We could just say it's Brian C. No, you could do it next door and just have them text you. We'll probably be out of here by the time they come. Listen, we have some protein bars. You want a protein bar? It's just as good as pizza. You want a protein bar? Pizza would be nice, though, you. We'll probably be out of here by the time they come. Listen, we have some protein bars. You want a protein bar? It's just as good as pizza. You want a protein bar?

Pizza would be nice, though, Joe. Get something to eat afterwards. You know what? Fuck pizza. You got to do a set, right, Joe? Pizza is part of the agenda 21. Store. I'm at the store tonight.

In the motherfucking main room. He's always there. Putting together my new hour. Love it. Love it. Brian and I are there tomorrow night. I abandoned my hour to do the Netflix special. Brian and Brennan shop. Brian and Cal tomorrow night. Oh, that's nice. I'm talking about myself. Love it. Brian and I are there tomorrow night. I abandoned my house. Brian and Brennan shop.

Brian and Cal tomorrow night. Oh, that's nice. I'm talking about myself. Is that okay? Can I do that? No. I'm piggybacking this stuff. Relax.

Christ, man. I'm over on this side now. I just can't believe you guys are here. What happened? He pushed the mic away. You eat fox and all of a sudden you get so greedy for attention. He pushed the mic away. He pushed the mic away.

You won't even let people talk about themselves. Try to tell people some shit that's happening tonight. Sorry, buddy. And you're like, but what about us? Oh, we're somewhere soon. He pushed the mic away. Did you see that? I don't like when he's talking about his specials.

His new hour. The two of you guys together, you fight over each other so much. You come here, you put it on us. That's right. Now we're all talking about that. We're not about that. You guys are about harmony? Here's the difference between Eddie Bravo and I.

We get high when you guys aren't around. When you guys are together, you're not getting high. Oh, Eddie wins. Thank you. I mean, Joey wins. Benavidez wins. You owe me 500 bucks. No, you owe me 500.

No, I thought it was. Oh, that's right. God bless. Excuse me, sir. God bless Joey. I forgot who I was rooting for. I knew he'd win. God damn it.

Nah, he won that fight. Brian Callum was aware and correct. Let's hear people who are booing. Any boos? I love the fight. Volume, please was aware and correct. Let's hear people are booing. Any boos? I love the fight. Volume, please. There shouldn't be boos. Beautiful, beautiful striking.

It's hard to tell. It's like two Roadrunners fighting. His style's changed. Roadrunners kill. Rattle stinks with their face, you fuck. You do not pay attention. And Joey Benavidez uses Bang Ludwig's technique. His technique has changed, and he looks amazing.

He looked very different in this fight than any of his other fights ever. Totally different. Just from the little I saw, it looked like he lost. Nope. Yeah, I absolutely wasn't paying enough attention. He landed a shitload. Plus, I have marijuana in my system, which impairs my judgment. Yeah, me too.

Joey crushed it. I'm about three wines deep. God, good for him. I ate this fudge thing. I'm just not the same. This stuff is the shit. It was nice. Paleo-friendly. It's really good for you. I eat this fudge thing. I'm just, I'm not the same. This stuff is the shit. It was nice. Paleo friendly.

It's really good for you. Joe, you been back on paleo? Yeah, I only got off of it because I went on vacation. I did it for the holidays, and I told you I had the worst headaches, brother. Yeah, it's not good for you. I thought I was going to die. I do an abbreviated version where I allow myself to have some desserts and shit, but I don't go fucking full hog.

Full hog? My body understands what's bad for it now. It doesn't feel good anymore, but if like I make a grilled cheese sandwich for my kids. God damn, that sounds nice. I love a grilled cheese sandwich with butter. Do you butter the bread? I do. I butter the bread. Of course you butter the bread. What kind of cheddar do you use? I use a sharp

cheddar. That's nice. I use a sharp cheddar. I like a real sharp cheddar. A lot of cheese. I'll put a tomato slice in the stew and mix it up. I like that. Yes, Joe Rogan. I like the tomato slice. Tomato slice really should be standard.

I agree. It's fresh. How the fuck does a BLT get the tomato? And that's a cheese sandwich. It really should be standard because it makes it juicy. You got to use white bread because you're not eating anything nutritious. Don't fucking give me weed or multigrain. Fuck you. Give me that old-fashioned

Wonder Bread white bread. But I wouldn't be mad at you if you made me a grilled cheese sandwich with Ezekiel bread and alfalfa sprouts and gouda. And raw milk gouda. And some heirloom tomatoes. Little tomato soup.

Fuck you. I'm going to take cock to hand. And some grass-fed butter on the outside of these. You feel better when you fucking fry. You fry in a cast iron pan, correct?

You're not a criminal. No, you have to. I'm a goddamn American. You're an American. I'm going to have a food bomb. You're an American. I'm a bad person. You're not a bad person.

You're not doing this in a fucking George Foreman grill. You're using a goddamn cast iron frying pan like a fucking pioneer. Dude, you make a grilled cheese or anything George Foreman.

Chicken, fuck you. That shit ain't real. I've made a hundred chicken meals on a George Foreman grill in my life. Me too. Me too in college. I would grill the fuck out of them. Those things, listen, honestly, it's a good way to do it. You grill the top and the bottom at the same time.

It kinda tastes like shit though. But only if you get, most of the people who eat on George Foreman grills, you're not eating filet mignon. You're getting shit cuts anyway, cause you're poor as fuck. That's true, I grill like skirt steak and shit in my George Foreman. Meanwhile Mexicans figured out how to make skirt steak one of my favorite steaks. The best. They start fucking marinating this shit. Damn right.

Skirt steak is the shit. It really is. Do you guys ever have an era in your 20s where you're not living at home and you're fucking broke as fuck and you have $17

and you gotta somehow make that last a week and you're like, okay, I got top ramen, a loaf of bread, macaroni and cheese. I just call my dad. I call my dad's secretary.

I say, Dad, I need some fucking money. And my dad would go, how much do you need? Totally figures. Well, I don't know, $500 or $1,000. That's why you believe in Fox News because you've been sucking on the dick of the government. Listen, you guys will ultimately never be in my inner circle because you're poor. We ever broke like that? Oh, yeah, for sure.

You're like, okay, $23. We're going to the market. Roll pennies. We got it all. I got a calculator. At the fuck? I'm 22 years old. I'm like, I got, okay, three boxes of macaroni and cheese, a jar of peanut butter, a loaf

of bread. You get creative. Milk, four cans of tuna. Damn, I could take that for four days. Pinion butter is always a good little one. It's about survival mode, man. I grew up with a chef.

When I was a kid, when I left my parents' house, ramen was big. What age, Joe? Top ramen? 39 cents? Get out of here. At my brokest, I was like 19, 20 was my brokest. Like going to college? Fuck yeah.

Well, barely, man. I was going to college, but even when I say I'm going to college, there should be like an asterisk next to that statement. I was taking classes, but I wasn't even ever thinking I was going to get a job. I just didn't want anybody thinking I was a loser. And I'd run into people in my town. They'd be like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, I'm taking a year off.

They'd be like, oh, I'm a fucking loser. So after a year, I'm like, I can't keep feeling that. Every time I talk to somebody, I got to go to school. So I started going to college. But it was barely paying attention. And it was just, I was paying more attention to like, because that was at a time that I was considering doing stand-up comedy. I hadn't done it yet.

And when I started doing it, that's when I quit college. But I was considering doing it, so I was really more paying attention to people and how weird we all are in this struggle between being a child and being an adult. There's this weird transitionary period where people are feeling their oats and flexing their intellectual

muscles in front of a teacher and trying to catch the teacher, what's wrong, and trying to debate the teacher. I was fascinated by that, man. I was fascinated by that, man. I was fascinated by that because when I was fighting, especially that was all when I was still competing, I was always really interested in conflict, any kind of conflict, verbal conflict, physical conflict, games.

You embraced it, you're saying? I'm interested in it. I'm curious as to what's going on here. Why is this kid protesting what the teacher's saying? Is he protesting because he's made a really solid assessment of the facts at hand? He finds a flaw in the logic? Or is he trying to get attention? Has he looked at it from

if he's had step one through ten to really verify what your thoughts are? Have you looked at one through ten? Or did you go up to like three and you feel your oats and you think you're smart as fuck and you dive in? Yes. So what I was more interested in when I was in college, honestly, was just people interacting

with each other. My favorite moment from college had to do with this Puerto Rican girl that I was trying to fuck. Good for you. And I was in the lunchroom with this girl. This girl kept inviting me to go to these things with her. What kind of things? She was like, these fucking retreats.

She was like, me and my friends. She was in my Italian class. Oh, she was trying to fuck, son. Dude, she was so hot. You don't know that, Brandon. She was so hot. You jumped to conclusions. Why do you jump to conclusions like that?

Let me tell the story. She was thick, and she was juicy, and she had glasses. And I knew she spoke Spanish. I couldn't wait to hear it. And I was like, it's just a matter of time. Like this girl's giving me all kinds of vibe, right? Breaking her walls down. She was like, we're going down the Cape. I would love if you'd come. And I felt bad. I didn't, I didn't want to tell her that I was going to fight in a tournament. I saw it. No, no, no. I was super insecure about it. I thought it was an idiot. I thought I had

brain damage. I was in college. I would have jacked you off in history. No, probably not. You'd be surprised. It didn't sound even real to say. You know, like, yeah. I'm going to go kick some dudes. You know, it just sounded like... Anyway, I couldn't make it.

So she's like, we do them all the time. I would love to have you come again. I would love to come again. And I'm like, fuck yeah. I left that. It was like, oh, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. I was pumped. I was like, damn, we're in.

So then I went back to school after the tournament. I'm sitting in the lunchroom. And ironically enough, it was a Trump airplane. It was one of those Trump airlines. You were on Trump Airlines? No, listen to me. I was at the lunchroom,. You were on Trump Airlines? No, listen to me. I was at the lunchroom and we were about to eat. And the Trump Airline that day, the fucking landing gear

didn't come down, but the jet skid, the jet skid into the runway and sparks and they put fucking flame retardant foam all over the runway. It was crazy. And I went down, I sat down with these kids, was this Puerto Rican girl, it was so hot, and all of her friends. And I sat down with them at lunch, and I said, did you guys hear about the jet that just crash-landed? It had this run, and they were like, what happened? And I said, apparently the front landing gear didn't engage, didn't lock down. Trump Airlines. But everybody's fine, and nobody got hurt.

They go, praise God praise God I went oh no and then I realized I was standing there over the table because they're all going praise God I'm like shit you were getting sucked into a religious so then I sat down

with so much sadness but also happy because I love conflict, right? So I'm sitting down. I'm like this little demon that sits at the table. By the way, back then, no diplomacy. Back then, a fucking laser beam. Back then, not a diplomat.

Keep going. You didn't even know me then. This was when I was 19. I knew you when you were 27. Yeah, when I was 19, I was straight feral. Oh my God. So I sat down at this table, and they're going like, praise God. What's feral mean? Wild. Wild. Like, oh, you would just do

anything? My mother's a beautiful person, and my stepdad's a beautiful man, and I love them to death, but they worked. And when people work, the kids are gone. Yeah. From whatever time to whatever. When they get out of school, they're fucking wild and loose in the streets. And that's how I grew up.

Trying to make sense of the world. I was a latchkey kid from a divorced family and I grew up hanging out with other kids. And you develop these crazy... And then I started fighting. So no juicy Puerto Rican ass for you. So I was fighting. So I had a very distorted version of things as it is. So then I sat down and I said, so this thing that you wanted me to do when you were asking

me to go hang out with your friends at the Cape and I have like a big smile on my face. I'm like, that was about Jesus, right? And they were like, it's really important that you know Jesus. I go, you know Jesus. I go, you know Jesus? And then we had this really bizarre conversation. She's like, Jesus is in my heart. I go, did he tell you that's his name? Did you get to know Jesus? And then we had this really bizarre conversation. She's like, Jesus is in my heart. I go, did he tell you that's his name?

Did you get to know him? Like, what are you talking about? And then she starts talking about the Bible. And I was like, which Bible are we talking about? We're talking about the Old Testament? Talking about the New Testament? And we had this creepy fucking weirdo conversation. Damn.

Where I was just such a- And you knew you were never going to- Game over. You're never seeing those cheeks. I was, at the time, for me, I was as nice as I could have been while I was feral. Because you liked her. I'm sure she didn't talk to you after that. No, no.

I was done. I was like, look, I grew up around, I was in Catholic school in the first grade. I grew up around crazy religious people. By the time I was in my high school days and past my high school days, I was like, I see what the fuck's going on. Like, you're crazy.

You're not talking me into this. So I was just confused. Here's my question to everybody at the table. She was so hot. Have you had my experience? My experience has been really religious, really religious girls fuck immediately. In my,

in my dating history, the girls have talked about their warmth to the way they approach you. Yes, there is. They really give in. Are we talking about sex here? Yeah, when they love the Lord, they will be sucking your cock. That guy behind him, Matt motherfucking Hume. That guy knows as much about MMA.

Might be the best coach, eh? Yeah, might be the best. Him and Firas Ahabi, and there's like him, Duke Rufus, Firas Ahabi. Bang. There's a few. Yeah, Bang for striking for sure. But as far as like overall MMA coaches, man, it's tough to not give the nod to Matt Hume. Matt Hume or Firasahabi are my number one.

Yeah, they're number one. It's like the pound for pound talk. You can really rotate them out. And a guy like GSP, obviously he developed under the tutelage of Firasahabi, but he would have developed under the tutelage of Matt Hume, too. Maybe. I don't know. I think he would have if he could learn French. Firas and GSP were boys, though.

They grew up, so there's this bonding connection. There's a big bonding. They're fighting for each other. Now, if you're Tim Elliott, it's guns bombs away, right? I don't think so. What do you do? It's bombs away. You got to go bombs away

you think you should go balls to the wall brunson style yeah almost yeah i mean almost like the only way you're gonna get to our technique this guy he's like geo did it well in any any high level guy demetrius is like geo beating cummings you know what i mean in a way yeah you're right most people thought cummings was and you know rightfully so, he's mowing through everybody with his heel hooks. Hey, man. Can Gio hang with that? And he did, man.

Herd Dienlich's board is tough. MMA is like Wednesday on the Mickey Mouse Club. Wednesday is anything can happen day. Oh, yeah. Wednesday we get loose, Mickey Mouse. That's what MMA is. As a sport, MMA is anything can happen day. Not at this weight class.

Bullshit. I disagree with that. I disagree. Well, you can disagree all day. What's been the closest upset, Joe? Those are little human beings. What do you mean anything can happen can happen because of the weight? Explain that.

He just said anything can happen and you say I disagree? Yeah. Because of the weight? Because of the weight class. What can't happen because of the weight? Guys can get KO'd, bro. Guys will get KO'd. They do get KO'd. Not maybe

as often, but they do. But they do. Statistics are on my side. He's a sizist. But anything can happen. A knockout can happen, though. A knockout can happen. A one-punch knockout can happen, though. I like statistics. A knockout can happen. A one-punch knockout can happen. It could happen.

He's a sizeist. A one-punch knockout can happen. And the opposite end of the spectrum is a decision can happen. Yes. So anything can happen. Can I just stop this? The odds are a million times to one. Joe's got the floor.

Can I just stop this before this fight and say this is my favorite thing to do in my whole life? I love these the best. I love this more than anything I do in my life. I woke up this morning. I woke up this morning crunk as fuck about it. Are you kidding? Me driving here, I'm like, I don't want to be like this. I don't want to be like this.

So stupid. Fuck yeah. I fucking love it. We must watch this because he's ready. And again, here's the thing I'm saying. I've been singing this dude's praises forever. I don't think Mighty Mouse gets enough respect. I don't think he gets the respect that he deserves.

Respect him, Brandon. Respect him. I said your name right, so you say his name right. I love Mighty Mouse. He's going to murk this fucking guy. But this is what I think. Forget about all the weight and all that stuff. You're right.

You make some really good points. But as far as an expression of martial arts talent, that's the finest I've ever seen in my life. I don't give a fuck what he weighs. As far as expression of martial arts talent, that's the finest I've ever seen. So, if Tim Elliott can beat him, which he absolutely can because it's Wednesday and Wednesdays

anything can happen. Not in the little boys club. You never know, bro. You're most likely right. Most likely not. Dude, people get injured. Weird shit happens. Hands break. Knees pop. Backs go.

Watch what Mighty Mouse does this for. God, Mighty Mouse can move. The guy zigs when he should have zagged. Changes it up. Oh, oh. Blocking. Blocking. Oh, listen, man.

Blocking. He's going butt. You never know, man. Elliot's doing some funky shit. Motherfucker's getting loose. You never know. You never know, dude. Weird shit happens.

The world is strange. These guys move so quickly. Look at this. Mighty Mouse is shit happens. The world is strange. These guys move so quickly. Look at this. Mighty Mouse is powerful grappling. Maybe it's because they're small. Look at this. Tim Elliott. Good fucking shots from the bottom.

Look at this. Good scramble. Good scramble. Mighty Mouse looking for the arm bar. Spinning. Oh, my God. Look at this. The left knee's got to get into play.

Can't do it. Switches to triangle. Can't do that. Damn, Tim Elliott got some high-level jits. Tim Elliott on side control. That's high-level jits right there. Fuck yeah. That's high-level.

Because if you just did that to Demetrius, just get side control and top position, you're high-level. Yeah, look at this. Already. That's it. That's high-level right there. Look, he's on top half controlling him. Can you imagine me submitting Mighty Mouse right now?

I talked all that shit. Half guard here, holding on to the neck. I like this position. Look at that base. Look at that base. Good wrestler's base. Mighty Mouse is throwing those legs up, but it's kind of loose. Look at this base. Look at this base and balance.

This is why MMA is beautiful, folks. This is why MMA is beautiful. Look at this. Elliott with a good grip. Oh, nice knee to the head. Elliott is high-level grappler. Guillotine! Elliott is high-level. Please don't get submitted. Oh, no, he's passing. Oh, nice knee to the head. Elliot is high level grappler. Guillotine! Elliot is high level. Please don't get submitted. Oh no, he's passing.

Oh yo, dude. He's not necessarily passing. It could be over. Okay. It could. Oh shit. Holy shit, yo. He's caught deep. Oh shit, he rolled, son. He switched into a darts. Oh, look at that. Oh, he switched into a darts. He's got it deep.

Dude, get out of here. He's high level. Dude, he's high level. I was talking all that shit. I was trying to tell you. I was trying to tell you. It's over. He's going to sleep. He's going to sleep.

It's over. He's going to sleep. I was talking all that mess. No, no, no, no, no. No, don't say a hundo. DJ's holding that thumb underneath the neck. It's goddamn Demetrius Johnson. DJ's got a little space there.

He's a little space. You see where he's using his thumb? That looks so deep. That looks so deep. It's very deep. It's very deep, but DJ's not going to prematurely tap. And you see his right thumb? You know what? The fact that he got that deep so quick means that he knows it takes a while sometimes.

I feel like throwing up. He knows it takes a while. No, he's in all fours. He's good. You got to wear him down. Oh, fuck sure. He knows that. He's good now.

He knows it. No, no, no. He's good. Oh, he's out. Wow. Did you see that right there? Holy shit. That's why Demetrius Johnson is so amazing.

Damn, look at him. He's on fire. Look at Demetrius. He's on fire. Holy shit, he's on fire. Oh, my God. He's supposed to be a warrior. He's a badass.

Look at him. He's going to try to submit to an alien now. Demetrius Johnson answering back. Look at this. Holy shit. He snapped in the neck. He's going to try to go for that. Oh, my God.

He's going to spin to the back. Shit. Johnson on top. You know what? That's remarkable. This is a fight, folks. This is a fight. That's remarkable. Holy shit. He snapped in the neck. He's going to try to go for that. Oh, spin to the back. Oh, shit. Johnson on top. You know what? God. This is a fight, folks. This is a fight. That's remarkable.

Holy shit. What if he gets him with the exact same technique? God damn. Remarkable. Oh, look at this. He's got an arm run under the neck. Look at Demetrius. He'll get him in the same shit.

He fought it off. He fought it off. He'll get him with the same shit. He might. He looks like he's moving there. He's moving there. He's baiting him for the underhook on the left side. There's so much He uses his left underhook. You're just sprawled out and you got a head or an arm dude You know the amount of game that's fucking required? How dare you? Look at this, look at this, look at this!

He's got it now, he's going for the underhook. He can get him with the exact same technique if he punches that fucking right arm under Let's see if he punches that right arm under. Nope, he doesn't even have it in place. Oh look at this, Elliot back there. Very nice. Very nice. Jesus Christ. Holy shit. He looks tired. Joe, I'll say this with the OSP John Jones argument.

Look at that, though. Good fucking movement there. Good movement avoiding all those punches. Even if he's tired, that was good head movement there. Look at how tired he is. That's fine, man. That's fine. No, dudes don't put hands on knees, dude.

That's a sign of weakness. That's not fine. That's not fine. Unless you're fucking around and you want the dude to think you're tired. Tell me who's fucked around like that. Look at this. Look at this. Elliot's fucked around and it's worked.

Oh, shit. Oh, he clipped him. He's clipped him. Oh, my God. Elliot is not playing. Dude, he's tired. Holy shit. Look at clipped him. Oh, my God. Elliot was not playing. Dude, he's tired. Holy shit. Look at him.

He's tired as fuck. You're right. Look at him. He wasn't playing. Let's not dwell on that. He just knocked Mighty Mouth down. Oh, shoot. Beautiful takedown.

Dude, Elliot is on top of the world at this division right now. Elliot is winning. Holy shit. He's got a rock in this round. He's on top. Like I said, anything can happen. Hey, listen, it has nothing to do with whites. No, dude.

Every day in MMA is Wednesday on the Mickey Mouse Club. Even in the little boys club. Yep, you're right. Now, what's going on right here? Top F. What's going on right here? Dude, this is crazy. What's going on right here?

This fight's a lot of shit. Demetrius Johnson, he's hurting here. He just woke up. Demetrius just woke up and said, what the fuck am I doing? He's trying to get back up to his feet, but he's getting guillotined here. He's got to be real careful with that left arm. This is Elliott's shit, man. He's really good at closing the show from here.

Ten seconds, ten seconds. Oh, he pushed it off. He pushed it off. What a good defense right there. You got to move John to number one now, Joe. That is oil. You got to move John to number one. Well, it depends on how this plays out, but I see a point now.

You've never seen John in trouble like this ever. Oh, you have in the Gustafson fight. He was in trouble in the Gustafson fight. Not this big a trouble. No, not this big a trouble. Not like this. Not rocked. No, but Vitor Belfort did catch him in an armbar.

And what did he do? Had him fully extended. He said, oh, cool, my arm's going to be ascended. Get douche! Here's the thing he didn't do. He didn't tap, which was fucking substantial. A lot of guys. Who's second on your list? know you like john jones we know that so okay second is connor mighty mouse mighty mouse is probably four or five for me because he's way class yeah

he rose on your shit yeah that's hard because he was like seven or eight last time we did never seven or eight never seven, he froze like a motherfucker. Shit. Hell yeah, with those fucking counter lefts. Here's what I think about top 10 pound for pound. Those counter left bricks where he's just like, like he's just waiting for you. Who's going to take that shit? What are you going to say to him?

Let me ask you if you guys agree with me. This is how I feel about when you start talking about top 10 pound for pound. My feeling is that it's a fun debate. Correct. And that the reality is you don't really know whether it's number one or number two or number three. Because there's an argument for the girl cyborg. The girl cyborg?

Yeah. Top five. Yeah, there's a total argument. Girl cyborg, top five. Look at this. But you've got to look at longevity. You've got to look at somebody who's on top for so long. Should beat up everyone in this room.

Like Anderson Silva did it. Look at this, man. Look at this. Tim Anderson Silva did it all. Look at this man. Look at this. Tim Elviet went karate. Look at this. He went full sideways. Dude he's so relaxed. It's impressive.

Hands down. Well he dominated in several moments of that round. But he was doing it in the first round too before he was really. That's racist. Is Tim tired is the question. Oh man, man, man. Look at this. Oh.

He's out relaxed. Damn look at him. He's standing in front of a man., the more relaxed he can stay like that. If he can really avoid shots and turn things into a grappling machine again. Can you imagine if a relax was racist? Like, you know, athletics racist. You're like, he's so relaxed. Dude, that's racist.

What are you saying, he's white? Because Mexicans are really relaxed. Because he's white, he's relaxed. You see a Mexican guy? You're stupid. You see Henry Cejudo, you're like, he's so relaxed. That's racist. What are're like, he's so relaxed. That's racist. What are you saying?

He's lazy? Yo, dude, people say that about me all the time. If I call Tyron Wood, we explode him. What the fuck? That's not racist. Will you just look at him? Can you imagine when smooth, smooth becomes racist? Like, dude, he's smooth.

Like, fuck you. Oh, shit. Look at Tim Hyatt. Look at this. No, that's not a submission there Fucking smooth, fuck you I'm not smooth What I was born smooth? Hey man, you never know man, his elbow You look at where his bicep is in the ear

It's not going up, it's going down He's tired You might not, but look at it See how his elbow, like you look at where his bicep placement is His bicep is getting closer and closer to the other he's in the wrong side yeah but if a guy's really good at that empty half can take a back like a motherfucker oh shit mighty mouse super technical shit look at my nice knee.

Defensively and offensively. Oh, he's got it in the neck. Oh, shit. Let's see. Elliot's going to wonder. Look at that. Oh, look at that. Mighty Mouse. Mighty Mouse.

Look at that. Holy shit. That's a little arm triangle. That's a fucking chopping block right there. Boom. That's a chopping block right there. Elliot's not even ranked. What are you ranking?

But that's a good move right there. Look at what Elliot's doing right there from side control. Top five. That's good. Yeah, that's a good position. He's not even ranked. What are you ranking him at? But that's a good move right there. Well, if he doesn't win, top five. That's good. He's in a good position. It keeps him from getting in that crucifix fucking striking crucifix. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because he needs his arm on the other side. He has good forearm.

Smashed him down with those. And now let's see if he can pass. Oh, nice. Because if Elliot's left arm was on the other side of his head, ooh, that's all, that's Khabib shit. That's Khabib. He's looking for that. That's salivary shit.

You can't put your arm on the other side, because you're going to get fucked. Oh, look, right there. Right there, I'd go inverted arm bar right away. Oh, yeah, look at this. Look at that, right away. He's going for the Kamal. Oh, yeah, he's always going for something.

Always, always. Well, look at that. Nice knee play by Elliot. He got that knee into position. Elliott is a high-level grappler, man. You can see it, man. He's super high-level. Dude, he's right there.

Are you kidding me? What a badass. Look at all this shit that's going on right here. This is like, it's not about the submission. It's about the wars. Dude, Elliott beat every champion in every weight class in his division. The path of wars before the submission even comes out. I'm tough. I'm tough. That's what's going on.

That's what I mean. Not every. There's so many wars going on. Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. Look at his arms on the other side. That's a crucifix. He's going to get out there. But his left arm's fucked. He needs to get his left hand on the other side of his head right there. Once he's there, he's good. He needs to keep it

over there, but not that much over there because then you give up a side jump. That's my boy Juan right there. You've got to be the master of keeping it. It looks like he's going to go for that. Forearm on the neck. He's trying to go for that inverted arm bar from the half guard. Oh, shit. He's got a good Camaro. I think it's a killer, man.

That's one move that you really can get from the half guard, right? Yeah. Especially if you can't step over remember Matt Hughes versus Joe Riggs. It all depends on which Kimura you want. If you want an inverted Kimura, you have to be in half guard. If you want the regular Kimura, you could pass and be in side control. But if you're going to do that inverted one, you can't do it from side control. You have to jump into half guard.

Fake Mayer was a master at that. Yeah, it actually helps your position. You have to hold him. You're holding him in half guard. That's really interesting. That's the first time I've ever thought about that. That's like maybe the one position. No, Japanese necktie is the same thing.

Japanese necktie is the exact same thing. You want to stay there. Right, you need to lay. Because it locks him down, right, Eddie? Yeah, because in the inverted arm bar, it's all about the angle. So you know what? I don't want to pass after all. You know what? We're going to stay in half guard right, Eddie? Yeah. In the inverted arm bar, it's all about the angle. So you know what? I don't want to pass after all. You know what?

We're going to stay in half guard. I don't even want to pass. And even if I was passed, if I went for the inverted arm bar, I would jump into half guard just to control the hips. Look at this. DJ's taking his back. No, he's not taking his back. Look at this.

Elliott wins the position war. Did you see DJ go for the head kick when he had his back standing up? On top here, DJ trying to control position. It's one to one, by the way. Wow, this is crazy. Elliot on top again. This is crazy. Elliot got serious garrapalane. That's what you mean? Elliot got

serious garrapalane. That's high level. With the grease and the sweat, that makes it even harder to stay tight and stay controlled shit. To keep position and keep dominant position with all that grease and the sweat, that makes it even harder to stay tight and stay controlled. Shit. To keep position and keep dominant position with all that grease and sweat and all that Vaseline all over your fucking eyes and all over your back and all over your fucking arms. Keep talking. I'm taking my pants off.

Jesus. Keep talking. Keep fucking talking. Keep going. Woo! Keep going. He said Vaseline. I'm like, this party's live.

Hold me down. Hold me down. This party's live. Impose your will on me. Impose your will on me. Man, this party's live. Hold me down. This party's live. Impose your will on me. Impose your will on me. Give me some volume, young Jamie. I want to hear some Matt Hume knowledge. You had a sex story.

Hold on a second. I did. I hear this real loud. Volume. First time he's lost a round. That's music. You don't shoot music. I want to hear what he's saying.

That's part of it. Oh, we missed him. Ah, fuck. I want to hear what he's saying. It's part of it. Oh, we missed him. Ah, fuck. I want to hear Matt Hume advice. Damn, look at him jumping around. Damn, look at him. Look at him. Look at that cardio.

That dude did sprints. It's all about, you guys talk about rounds. I did nine rounds. I trained seven rounds. I did eight rounds. I did nine rounds. I did 10 rounds. I trained six rounds.

Six hours is what you said. It's about fucking sprints. How many times have you done a sprint? When are you doing a sprint? That's where the cardio is coming, not the rounds you're sparring in. Round three or five. That's not realistic. It's the fucking sprints.

He changes up from southpaw to right. Look at that. If this guy wins and Trump is president, America has gone crazy. Hey, listen. America's gone crazy. Did you vote for Hillary, Callan? No! Not during this fight!

Not during this fight! After yes! Eddie, stop it. We'll come back to it. We'll come back to it. Tell me the truth. Eddie, please. You voted for Hillary! Eddie, please. Eddie, please. You voted for Hillary! Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please.

Real quick. Real quick. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, please. Eddie, no! Look! It's a fight! Look! It's a fight! It's a fight! Look at this! He's got his back! Oh! Oh! Penny, your arm! Oh, my God! Eddie, please.

Eddie, it's like you're a jiu-jitsu. Please. Eddie, stop. Look at that, Eddie! Please! Eddie, I'm joking. I'm messing with you. Okay, good. Shh! Look how he trapped the arm, son! Oh! Oh! Oh, he's covering his nose! You're not allowed to do that, are you? Oh, my God.

That was close. Oh, shit. Look at that. Oh, it's over. He's got the neck. He's got the neck. Oh, it's over. Oh, shit!

Ridiculous. Oh, look at these guys. I didn't watch one time. These guys think they're all two shits. Look at his takedown, man. Very nice takedown. Jesus Christ. Look at this. These guys are going back. Very nice takedown. Jesus Christ. Look at this.

These guys are going back. He's turning it into a grappling match, and he looks like he's getting the better of these positions. He's owning him grappling. Dude. This is incredible. Amazing. I wouldn't say that. Oh, shit.

No, but look at this. Elliott hangs on. That's some jiu-jitsu and wrestling. He rolled him, and Elliott stayed on top the entire time. This is incredible. Look, he's got the leg. He tripped him down. He tripped him down.

Tamelia wrestled 100%. Oh, shit. This is incredible. Oh, look at this shit. Oh, shit. Oh, he's getting lit up, man. He's getting lit up. This is third round?

Oh, shit. I've never seen Johnson kind of like, God, what the hell do I do here? Damn. He must have been running sprints. Elliott doesn't get tired. He's a chimp strong. He's a chimp. He's so strong. Are you kidding? That's racist. That's a really good race. No, it's white. Damn, he must have been running sprints. This motherfucker running sprints three times a week. He's a chimp.

He's so strong. That's racist. That's a really good race. No, it's white. We're lucky he's white. We're so lucky he's white. Elliot, he's got simian strength. I didn't say swim sprint. I said regular sprint.

Swim sprint is racist. Shit doesn't work on Elliot. Look at him. Okay, but look at this. Demetrius is on top. He's got that right arm trapped. Looking for that head and arm position. Look at that pass.

Oh, but not so. Not arm position. Look at that pass. Oh, but not so. Not totally passed. Oh, not really passed. Not really. Oh, captured. Not really passed. Elliot looks like he's fueled on meth. Not really passed.

Because he's white and white trash? Is that what you're saying? I'm just saying that. Those stats are off. Truck stop? Hey, the stereotype of white people getting their guard passed, I'm sick of it. And I'm going to fucking stand up and right here on the Joe Rogan Experience, I'm not going to stand for it, okay? And I love

Hillary, and we are not... Tim Elliott in this fight, man. White people... Mexicans get passed. What about that? Black people get passed. What about that? Let's not get political. I didn't like either one of those candidates. White people aren't the only ones that get passed, Brian Callen. Brian, don't engage. I'm not saying anything. I'm watching the fight.

Don't engage. It's an amazing fight. This is artistry. This is your protocol. You're a cyborg. This is Battlestar Galactica. This is high artistry. Do not engage. The CIA is not real.

I was playing. I was playing. I was playing. I was playing. I was playing. Mighty Mouse on top here, folks. Round three of five. Dude.

Mighty Mouse looking to pass that guard. He gets over it. No, he didn't. No, he doesn't. Elliot drags him right back in. Strong guard game. It's tough because Elliot was winning earlier this round. Now he's probably losing.

That's racist. Oh, look at this. He keeps throwing those legs up, man. Elliot's not playing games. Dude. But Mighty Mouse takes the bag. He rolls right back into half guard again. Nice.

Oh, look at those elbows. Look how smart he is. He's just throwing elbows. Why not just throw elbows? Shit. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look how smart he is. He's just throwing elbows. Why not just throw elbows? Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this guard with Tansh.

Elliot got some serious happening. With Tansh. Happening. He's very good off of his back, I'll tell you that. He's super good defensively. As he gets his guard passed, I apologize. Mighty Moushk. But look at this shit he does right here from side control.

He did this before. He just wraps him up. That's like a new trade at 125 pounder. Triangles his own arm, traps Mighty Mouse, makes it so Mighty Mouse can't do shit. And Mighty Mouse is almost kind of complaining. Like, what did you expect? I'm going to let you loose so you can hit me? It's great if they stand him back up.

This is beautiful. Stand me back up. You're not doing shit. Why stand him up? This is a beautiful position. It's a power position, too. This is a good position, man. Yeah, great position.

That's very interesting. I haven't seen someone do that effectively in a world championship fight. Oh, he lost it, man. He lost it. Let's see if he gets it back. Just put it right back. Look at this. Look at that.

That's a reverse triangle right there. The kid doesn't have an arm in. All that grease on the ball head. Forget about that shit. He's moving many steps ahead, too, though. You don't think that's a factor? The ball head and the grease? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Dude, get about that shit. He's moving many steps ahead, too, though. You don't think that's a factor? The ball head and the grease? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. And the beard? Get out of here. If he would have just had a nice fucking- Clay Guida? Brendan Schraub, a little fucking-

Or Schwa. Or Scha. Clay Guida. Or a little Brian Callen? Yes. Yeah. He would have been fucked. Dude, this is crazy.

This is only the third round, right? Yes. This is a great fight. We had a 10-minute fight. Great fight, boys. Elliot is up. He's winning, by the way. Okay, that's the nice round This is only the third round, right? Yes. That's a great fight. We had 10 minutes left, boys. Elliot is up. Demetrius is winning, by the way. Okay, that's nice, Brian.

Was that the third round? Jesus Christ, you got to rub it in my face. Or was that the fourth round? Third round or fourth round? I feel bad. Third round or fourth round? That was the third, Eddie. It's 2-1.

This is a great fight. Mighty Mouse. Great fight. But here's the good thing. A lot of people thought this was a wash. They thought that Tim Elliot was out of his league. This guy. I'll be the first to admit it. I apologize of people thought this was a wash. They thought that Tim Elliott was out of his league. This guy.

I'll be the first to admit it. I apologize. We're looking at a great fight. So all bullshit aside, we're joking around here. And if you listen to anything that we say tonight and you think, oh, my God, their opinions are so fucked up. We're intoxicated and we're not serious. So we need to know, like, if you're looking at the actual fight itself, this is a great, great fight. And Tim Elliott deserves all the respect in the world. He should be ranked in the top five.

Even if he loses his fight, I'm not saying he's going to lose. But if he does, you have to rank him in the top five. Hey, listen. It's an amazing performance. You can't change your stance now. It's too late. You can't change your stance in the middle of a fight. It's an amazing performance, man.

I'm just saying, my mouse isn't pound for pound number one anyway. Well, you are based on what you've seen, like the results inside the octagon. That's who you are. And you've got to add this in. You have to add this in. And in this fight, he's getting dominated in ground exchanges by Tim Elliott. By a guy who's not ranked in the top 15. Right.

You have to add that in. If you want to be objective, you have to add that in. So then you'd have to look at him. You'd have to look, who are the other guys besides Dominic Cruz? And Dominic Cruz, of course, you're really only doing it based on his past record, the TJ victory, and then the domination over Uriah Faber, right? Yeah, he's not active enough. You'd want to wait until Cody and him fight.

Damn, it's fourth round, man. Other than them, who else is in the running other than John? Damn, look at Elliot, the way he's holding his hands. That's the new great white hope right there. Who else is white? Look at this. Brian Callen, you know. Karate shit.

Joe, here's one for you. Here's a good question. Look at this. The highest white guys in MMA. Michael Bisping. The highest ranked white guys in the UFC. You should fucking know. Joe, here's a question for you.

Where do you read Bisping? Guys, we can't talk over each other. White guy, Conor McGregor. Done. End of discussions. Wild as fuck. Michael Bisping. Michael Bisping.

White guy in the UFC. American white guy. Della Shaw. Della Shaw. No. Well, no. No. Number one white guy.

Stipe, you fuck. Jesus Christ. That's a Russian. That's a Russian. No, he's not. He's born in Cleveland. Born in Cleveland. He's Croatian. What's his name? No, he's from Cleveland. What's his name? Stipe Miocic. What's a Russian. No, he's not. He's born in Cleveland. He's from Cleveland. What's his name?

Steve Amy Ocic. What's his name? Steve Amy Ocic. From Cleveland. What was that? He's from Cleveland. Born and raised. Okay, he was born there, but what's his name?

We're all immigrants. Hey, you fucking drunks. You're racist. I'm talking about the highest white guy in the UFC. Steve Amy Ocic. He's not the highest white guy. What are you talking about? He's the heavyweight guy in the UFC. You guys can't answer me as simple. He's not the highest white guy. What are you talking about? He's the heavyweight champion of the world.

He can kill all of them. Dana White. Look, classically, the heavyweight has always been the guy who can beat everybody below him. Is there any other white guy, American white guy, who holds a belt? Eddie Bravo, please. They don't have white weight classes because the small guy is too fast for the big guy. They have weight classes because the big guy is too fast for the big guy. They have weight classes because the big guy is too big for the small guy. Is there another white guy that holds a belt in the UFC?

Answer me that. American? American white guy. Oh, look at this. Oh, it's over. It's over. DJ's got his back. It's over, son.

Oh, man. Good fight, Tim Elliott. The other game's over. Tim Elliott gave a great run. Not necessarily there. If he can hand fight. If he can hand fight. Not necessarily. Is he smiling? It's not over. It's not over. Tim Elliott gave a great run. Not necessarily there. If he can hand fight. If he can hand fight. Not necessarily.

Is he smiling? It's not over. It's not over. It's not over. Tim Elliott is far from over. Look, he doesn't even have that right hook. Far from over. God damn it.

Tim Elliott. He wasn't even close. He's my fucking hero. He's such a badass. He didn't even have the right hook. What a badass. Oh my God. Human will.

He's a good niece to the shoulders in the back. I like that. He's a like that I like how you guys went silent when you couldn't name another American white guy with a belt No he's born in America he's Mexican yes, but he's American what is this my Italian my Italian My German American. What is his last name? Am I Italian or am I American? Am I German? Am I German? Schaub? Schaub is German. Look at this. DJ on top. DJ on top. Crucifix. Where's that right arm? It's on the wrong side of that head.

I hate that goddamn crucifix. Look at that right arm. It's on the wrong side of the head. You can't have it on that side ever. It's always got a frame, god damn it. You gotta have that frame. That's number one. Which arm are you talking about, Eddie? Well, he's good now. Yeah, but what were you talking about? Like, if you could

describe it, if you could break down that position. His left arm needs to be in front on Demetrius Johnson's left shoulder, on the left side of his neck. To push him away. Oh, shit. I'm fucked up right now.

I'm sorry. Wrong side. I'm sorry. Elliot is so rugged and tough right now. It's like he's indestructible. Oh, you meant right? Yeah, that's... Well, okay, now we're going to start over.

Forget what I just said. Now it's totally different because they're in side control. How is Elliot not tired? It looks like DJ's trying to set up a North-South choke. See, right there, you know, he's got...

Oh, now he's good. Now his left arm's in a good spot. Fight to his eyes. His Oh, now he's good. Now his left arm's in a good spot. His left arm's in a good spot. His left arm's in a good spot. He's got a good spot. But if his left arm is on the other side of Demetrius' head, that's a bad spot. That's where he's going to get that cushion.

So he's got to keep it on this side. So he's got to frame him off. Just always frame him. Just frame. It's the frame. You don't want to go on the other side. Do you like this darts? Do you ever hit that darts from when guys pass into your side control?

Do you ever let guys out of half guard into side control to catch that darts? You know what? In this situation, it's super technical. What I would do, I can't just say what I would do this or do that. No, no, that's not what I'm asking. I'm not asking right here, but I'm asking do you let guys. Do you know that Jeff Glover? He loves that position.

Oh, look at that. Oh, step over. It's nasty. It's a wrap. No, he's got his arms straight. It's a position? Oh, look at that. It's over. No, he's got his arms straight. He's okay. If he bends that. Oh, it doesn't look good. No, he's squirting away.

Oh, shit, he decided to go armbar. Oh, he's out. That was not a good one. Tim Hillion for president. White power. White power. Hey, hey, hey, easy. Say it. Say it, Sean.

What are you saying? No, no. It's obvious based on all the nodding. Oh my God, Nazis are so amazing. Oh, he threw a kick. They invented gas that kills the Nazis. Oh, guys, this fucking fight's crazy. It's crazy.

He just cartwheel kicked him. It's crazy. Eddie, Callan liked the Nazis, remember? You did. Joe, here's a serious question. Because he's German. You like Nazis. Joe, serious question.

Callan likes Jews. Here's a question. Are, Callan liked the Nazis, remember? You did. Joe, here's a serious question. He's German. You like Nazis. Joe, serious question. Callan likes Jews. Here's a question for you. Callan's on the Jew side. Let's let Brandon talk.

He voted for Hillary. Let Brandon talk for a second. After the fight politics. Joe, here's one that no one talks about, but they should. Michael Bisping, pound for pound top. Think of the guys he's lost to. Think of the guys he's beat. He's champ now. He's won the... He. Think of the guys he's lost to. Think of the guys he's beat. He's champ now.

He's won the... He's the... Oh, he's... He has the most wins in the UFC. Yeah, he's great, but he's also been fighting a long time, but he's also lost handedly, whereas Anderson Silva's lost once. Will he beat Anderson Silva?

Yeah, when he was 40. What do you mean when he's 40? Doesn't matter. He wouldn't have had a chance. Who has Bisping lost to? Are you telling me that Bisping... Damn. He has more wins than Anderson Silva. It doesn't... He's the. Doesn't matter. He wouldn't have had a chance. Who has Bisping lost to? Are you telling me that Bisping... Damn.

He has more wins than Anderson Silva. It doesn't... But that's not a good... He's the champ right now. That's not a good barometer. Well, it's not a bad barometer either. He's a champ right now. He's got a...

He makes a good point. Look, Michael Bisping's awesome. People deny it based on bad experiences that he had inside the octagon. Yeah. But his best experience inside the octagon was the Luke Rockhold fight, which is goddamn spectacular. He knocked him out. Knocked him him out one round. He also got Demolished the first

Boys defense he just said the most brilliant thing ever he said who's the champ right now Can you imagine how hard it would be to be the champ right now at one fucking 85 this fight is going on right now he's the fucking champ right now guys this fight's going on it's really good and it's the last round it's good shot him for the takedown he got him down down. God damn. Dude, Elliot's a beast. Are you kidding me? This is incredible. This is round five, son, and Elliot's on top. That's crazy.

Mighty Mouse trying to roll to an arm bar. Denied. Is anyone else rooting for Tim Elliot? Is anyone else kind of rooting for Tim Elliot? I told you. I knew you were all white powered up. Damn. I was hoping I was wrong.

I don't even see color. I don't see color. I don't even know who's black or white. Is that what that is? Look at these guys. It's fucking army. Is that Hitler shit? Oh, yeah, bro.

I'm literally so unprejudiced I can't tell who's black or white. How do you know if you're in a red state? You know me? I don't care if no one's green or purple or orange. I fucking don't care if they're fucking beige, green, or fucking magenta. Guys, please, there's a couple minutes left. I don't care. Three minutes left.

I don't care about magenta. Let's watch the fight. Eddie Bravo, three minutes left. Let's watch this fight. You should have thought about that before you gave him alcohol. Demetrius is still in control. It looks like he just wants to watch TV right now, right? Doesn't it look like he wants to watch Netflix?

Look at him. Demetrius has dominated, has controlled him, Elliot. But Elliot's been- I don't think it's more of a control. I think it's more of like he's just trying to be who he wants to be. Good God, Eddie. Oh, my God. We got to find out what's the amount that turns you into a gremlin.

Yeah, which part? What's the matter of food? Because look at it right now. After midnight. You know what? Hey, I did dump a shitload of wine into his glass. You want to go off? We can go off.

I'm being fucking tame right now. You are. No, when this fight's over, I want you to release the gremlin. Release the third clinic gremlin. Once this fight's over, I'm waiting for that. I'm going to keep my mouth shut of us I'm gonna keep my mouth shut I wanna keep my mouth shut I think to all of us

We don't wanna go there All of us it seems like All of us are talking over everybody We need to stop this I got this ball We can talk about anything in a moment Let's just watch the last two and a half minutes Let's try that

Two and a half minutes Let's be civilized Shut the fuck up guys Let's just watch this shit I'm with Joe I'm with Joe You guys on some other shit I'm trying to watch these fights.

Now's when you should shut the fuck up. We got, what the fuck is, this is like Roberto Duran versus Aaron Pryor. Holy shit. Look at these passes on the left. Hops over. Mighty Mouse. This is some. Oh, look at this.

But fucking Tamale gets that knee back in play again. Look at that. Half guard. This is like real shit going on right here. Two minutes to go. Oh, they're just trying to buttfuck each other. No, they're trying to grapple each other. It has nothing to do with reproduction.

It has nothing to do with that. It's going to be interesting because for Mighty Mouse, you know, he was putting Elliot in danger more than Elliot was putting him in danger other than that one time. Yeah, just that one time. Oh, my mouth is winning this fight. Oh, that's racist.

That's racist. Come on, man. That's reverse. That's reverse racist. He's going for it again. Eddie Bravo, what's he doing wrong here? Oh, shit. He's not doing anything wrong right here.

Look how he's got control of that wrist. If he just really puts all his weight on his hand instead of the wrist, that's even better, but he lost control right here. He tried to switch hands, it looks like. In that position when you pin that hand down, a lot of people like to pin that wrist down. It's better to fucking grab that hand, because when you grab that hand

and you pin it down, they can't move that arm at all. It's like a tremendous difference. Oh, look at this. Oh, shit. He got a Kimura. He rips his arm out. Look at that. Elliot going towards the Kimura. Oh, it's like a tremendous difference. Oh, look at this. Oh, shit. He got a Kimura. He rips his arm out. Look at that. Elliot going towards the Kimura. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. Look at this. Oh, shit. Elliot got some serious grappling. Dude, how about to find Mighty Mouse's opponent? They have to do the ultimate fighter. Oh, he turns and a ribbon on him. Oh, my God.

He's out. Oh, shit. No, he's not out. This is crazy. Look at this. This is incredible. Dude, technique. Look at that. Oh, full. No, he's not out. This is crazy. Look at this. This is incredible. Dude, technique. Look at that.

Elliott scooping under. Oh, full guard butterfly double underhooks. Where is he going to go? Is he going to go full guard from here? He's going to keep those underhooks. What is he going to do? Oh, he's going to go to full guard from here. Look, he's got the feet up on the hips.

But he's letting an underhook go. 30 seconds. Oh, man. So we'll see what he wants. Okay, he changed everything now. Money mouse passing. Okay, so now he's got Okay

At these points How hard There's so much game from here I mean there's like How hard to dig in Where are you going It's a whole different game from here You get energy when you know

There's only a minute left though Yeah but this is like A few seconds Damn A grueling fight Damn You gotta wonder This is so technical

Keeping that top half position Damn It's gonna go over with him with double Shit he would have went to what a fine Maya strategy just straight up forget the Kimura Forget the armbar let's just get the top half and then get get me free and then go to three Ellie a winner lose win is a winner in that fight because now fans are like, holy shit, this guy's legit. I 100% agree. It's a win-win for him. You got to rank him in the top five, Cheeto Fingers.

Don't lose my number. That's my new thing. I'm going positive. Yeah, me too. Don't lose my number. I want to be positive too now. That's a stupid. I'm a positive guy, Joe.

Wait a minute. What do you got winning? Don't lose my number. What do you got winning? How about here's my number? Here's my number, Tim. Stay with me. Nothing.

Let's stay friends. Don't lose my number. Here's my number. Let's stay Tim. Stay with me, nothing. Let's stay friends. Don't lose my number. Here's my number. Let's stay friends. Don't lose my number. Let's stay friends. Who do you guys go with? Call me a lot.

Mighty Mouse all day. Call me anytime. Yeah, Mighty Mouse. 100%. I got to be honest with you. I was talking a lot of shit during that fight and barely paying attention for 80%. Controlled Elliot the entire fight. He was in trouble in the early rounds, but he definitely controlled the fight.

Controlled him the whole fight. That's racist. Well, if I looked at moments where it looked like he was getting the better of it, I would give him the advantage. But there was definitely a few moments. It was a competitive fight. Four to one. Hell yeah. So four rounds to one.

No, no, seriously. Whether he won or lost or whoever, whatever, was that the toughest challenge for Demetrius Johnson? So far. As a champion, 100%. Was it? Yeah. Or the second or third? Well, John Moraga cracked Johnson? So far, first champion, 100%. Or the second? Well, John Moraga cracked him. Number two? Number three?

Was he number one? True, but then he submitted him. Who was number one? Was this number one? Yeah. Number one challenger, right? Moraga put him in the worst position. Dude, rematch.

Rematch on this. Right away, that'll be a fucking nice pay-per-view. It's four rounds to one, though, in this fight. Ultimately, he won. Yeah, he still won. He won the first round. Yeah, whatever. He wins, but it's just like Rocky won.

Rocky won? Mighty Boss needs to quit fucking around at 125. But Rocky fucking put on a... 135? Yeah, there's no fights for him. He needs to go up and fight. Fight Cruz?

Cruz, yes. And they fought before. Who won that? You gotta wonder. You know, at this stage in a guy's career, how many challenges does he have other than Elliott? That'd be zero.

Well, he's got Benavidez now. Benavidez beat Cejudo. I think Cejudo would be different a second time. Do them again. Do them again. I think Cejudo would be different. But you can't do Cejudo now because Benavidez just won. So you'd have Benavidez fighting again.

Cejudo's always going to be in the mix because that was a close fight. If you're Mighty Mouse, you're like, no. That was no domination with Benavidez and Cejudo. No, no. Cejudo's in the mix. He's right there at the top. He's going to improve. It's two losses in a row.

I know, but I know for a fact, 100% for a fact, Cejudo, he is improving on a daily basis. Let's check this out. Here it goes. Yeah, but you win the next one. Eddie Bravo, who won? I'm going to say the African-American. 49-46. Brian Callen?

Mighty Mass. Mighty Mass, of course. 100%. I'm noncommittal. Still. Of course. Of course he won. It's not even a question.

Yeah. I'm not surprised. Controlled him the whole course. Of course he won. It's not even a question. Yeah. No. I'm not surprised. Controlled him the whole fight. However, I did not want to speak because I know I wasn't paying attention to at least 30% of that fight. No. He won.

He won. But Elliot. Interesting. I'm not as logical as you are. But Elliot fought a hell of a fight. And Elliot is as tough as a human being gets. I want to hear what John Anik asks him. Was it your toughest fight?

Look how good he's got. Crank this up. He's going to ask you if it's the toughest fight. John, look at this. John, listen. Listen. So good. Powerful sponsors. Yeah, just get your money's worth.

Look how professional he is. There's no waivers. There's no stutters. Watch. Huh. Dude, that's fucking perfect. He's so good. He's like, he's so good. He's like he's killing Damn you having a fucking dars. Yeah, it dars and a guillotine, right? What a champ what a child of NGO should you put that what's next? I hope you ask him what's next. It's never coming out. John Anik is very smooth at this job.

Yeah, he's a beast. Yeah, he's a pro. He's like... But what's next for Bruce Gunn? He's gotten better at that shit, too. Back to you. No big deal. You're saying shit. What are you guys talking about?

Let's hear what Tim Elliott says Listen to the crowd They love him How can you not? I like John Anik Powerful mustache Let's hear what he's saying Look at this guy

Who the fuck is that? Is that Buzz Aldrin? It's his dad Oh shit Okay Man I know I've been there with anybody I can compete Even this fight Even though I was down When the time ran out Jesus Christ. Relax.

He just went, if it's a fight to the death. Look at him. He's ready to go. He's not even tired. He can go another five rounds. Guys, I think he's serious. He's 100% serious. I was on board until he said that.

That's a very humble way of approaching it Yeah, John Anik does a great fucking job and the play-by-play Always would would do overall crush. Can you have there was a competition who's gonna do post-fight interviews? people pay by play-by-play guys or color guys The play-by-play guys would crush The color guys when it comes to Like thinking on your god damn feet Play-by-play guys You need those guys

Because the post-fight interviews It got all fucked up because of you Because you were so good at You were the color guy and you could do the play-by-play shit You were just fucking slaying dragons So other promoters thought that you get the color guy to go in to the the cage and do the post-fight interviews and they all are terrible because that's the hardest thing to do the post-fight interviews you got 30 seconds to come up with a question that it's going to be on tv and everyone

it's got to be the best question ever the play-by-play guy is always going to crush the color of God. Those dudes are professional broadcasters, traffic cops. Boom, they just lay it down. You just, you know what I mean? Like my guy for EBI, TJ DeSantis, holy shit. I was like a guest commentator and he was a play-by-play guy. I looked over at TJ, I'm like, you want to fucking work for ebi holy shit he was like mike goldberg you know i mean just slaying tj de santis are you kidding he he goes up there like a coral belt dude coral belt he's

always been nice to me he'll just grab a mic goes let's do a piece right now let me fucking ask you a couple questions he goes out of his way to do pieces in front of the camera. He's so confident. He's like putting shit together. He goes, let's do another piece with this guy. He's a podcast wizard too. Dude, are you kidding me? That guy is fucking incredible. Shout out to TJ. I like TJ. I love TJ to death. Powerful shout outs. His podcast is filled with

shout outs. Old wrestling coaches. High school wrestling coaches. Hitler from Brian. He's the play-by-play guy. That's some good stories. Brian, shout out Hitler. I feel like I had a good story that I totally forgot now. Yeah, you were like all in that.

I appreciate that. Dude, I would love it. I appreciate that. Defeat. Great defeat. Hell yeah. By Jesus. Jesus took that.

Jesus. Meanwhile, hey, you probably just got to senior year. A shout out to my boy Joe Rogan. Let's just all talk together. A shout out to my boy Joe Rogan, who has to my boy Joe Rogan Who has been getting such important people On his podcast like Jordan B. Peterson Is he one of the mainstream guys That you're into?

No he's not If you're into it go out and watch it Eddie If it's scientific Eddie he voted for Hillary Of course he did I love you guys Thanks for coming out Thanks gotta go to the comedy store I love you guys Thanks for coming out

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