The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - February 14, 2015

Episode Date: February 15, 2015

Joe is joined by Eddie Bravo, Brendan Schaub, Tait Fletcher, Ben Saunders, and Justin Milos to watch the fights on February 14, 2015.

Don't look. Alright ladies and gentlemen, we're live. We're live right now. If you've never listened to one of these things before, this is not a regular podcast. Don't expect, uh, some deep insight to the nature of the universe or even rational conversations, cause there's alcohol involved, there might be some weed. I smell some weed, I don't know. There might have been weed in this room. Uh, and uh,

there's a bunch of fucking savages. To my left, Eddie Bravo. Eddie, the motherfucking twister Bravo. One of the baddest dudes on the planet Earth. Thank you, thank you. One of my favorite human beings that's ever existed. Thank you very much. Eddie Bravo. I love you too.

To his left, Justin Milos. Trainer extraordinaire all throughout the lands. You can find him online at the, what is it? JanPersonalTraining.com JanPersonalTraining.com. JanPersonalTraining.com. Handsome bastard. Look at him. Beautiful features.

Very polite. Well read. Killer B is in the fucking house. Oh, shit. Ben Saunders. Oh, shit. UFC welterweight prospect, bitches. Eric Silva.

Fighting Eric Silva in March in Brazil. Going deep into the lion's den. Oh, shit. Do-do-do. Caveman Coffee. All up in Going deep into the lion's den. Caveman Coffee. All up in this bitch with the Caveman Coffee. To his left, the motherfucking CEO of Caveman Coffee. The great Tate Fletcher.

Tate the animal Fletcher. Tate the savage Fletcher. Fill in the blank with the nicknames. Again, one of the baddest motherfuckers. Are you the Dana White of Caveman Coffee, or are you a Lorenzo? I'm more of one of the fratias, you the Dana white of caveman coffee or Lorenzo? I'm more of a one of the four tears Okay Being Dana a little bit now. He's coming out

I think he's looking at you and going you know what I want to do it take and do he's doing both listen Go ahead and call me. Mr. Fertitta. I'd be happy to help. Tate is always hustling. Caveman Coffee comes in. Yeah, we got a micro brew. He hands me his fucking beer. I'm like, dude, you're making beer? This is outrageous. Man's got to work in this day and age. Tate is always moving. Always moving.

There's no stillness with Tate Fletcher. You will find no dust. Tate is left. You will find no dust. Brendan motherfucking Shaw. Possibly the funniest UFC fighter that's ever lived. You might be. Funnier than Chael Sonnen?

Yeah, he's made me laugh harder. Oh, shit. Don't put me in a sauna and make me fuck my way out is one of the great all-time one-liners that's ever been uttered on these podcasts. That's a huge compliment. Funnier than Chael is huge. Yeah, he's funnier. Chael is one of the greatest trash talkers ever.

Funnier than Rampage. Yes. Oh! Yes, he's funnier than Rampage. Do you know how huge that is? You know what? It's close. Most of the time when Clayton's funny, though, he's not on than Rampage. Yes. Oh! Yes, he's funnier than Rampage. Do you know how huge that is? You know what? It's close. Most of the time when Quentin's funny, though, he's not on purpose funny.

Yeah. Well, it's also Quentin is more irritable. Like, Schaub's got a smoother personality. Quentin gets mad at people. Yeah, I'm not going to freak out. Yeah. Yeah. You won't be angry.

Quentin, you know, Quentin's always thinking everybody's ganging up on him. We're about to watch the fight right now. It's, how do you say this gentleman's name? The first fight is, we've got to sync this up so you guys know. We're watching the fights and doing commentary, sort of. I mean, we're not really doing commentary. But we're watching the fights and doing a podcast at the same time. That's the idea behind these.

So if you're tuning into it, if you're listening to it, you might want to just fucking ditch this one and go back to one with some scientist. Watch another Joey one. You can go find Joey. You never know. Minus 1,000. Tate Fletcher might drop some science up in this bitch. But right now, it's Ray Borg is about to fight this gentleman.

I don't know how to say his name. Give us some volume there, young Jamie. Chris Kalades. Is that the dude's name? Good move. There we go. there young Jamie Chris Kaleides said the dude's name pow pow pow all right I'm taking the headphones off so shit gets out of control you've been warned talk to her fight starting right now it's four minutes 58 seconds if you want to sync up four minutes 58 seconds of the first round was on the clock when I said that.

Mario Masaki might be fucking mad at her, right? For doing that shit? Taking his shit? You can't take Mario's heart. You can't do that shit. Who did the heart? Did she do it? The blonde shit comes out of the pool.

No, that's been around. It ain't his. Yeah, but he popularized it. Does he own it for the UFC? Yeah, he does. You can't do that. He's got to talk to that shit. Hasn't that been around forever?

Yeah, but you can't do that in the UFC. If you throw that shit on Hasn't that been around forever? Yeah, but so is the rainbow. If you throw that shit on your car, that means you're gay. The rainbow. Right, but that's different. No, but it's a UFC thing. The camera's on you. You got your thing. You know, like the chick referee.

What's her name with the blonde hair? She goes like this. She goes like Mills Lane. She goes like Mills Lane. I can't do that. That's rude. But that's boxing. She could be the Mills Lane of MMA.

But if you're an octagon girl, you've got to do something, right? You just can't wave. You've got to do something. You know what? Herb Dean, he just goes, whatever. He doesn't want to. Everyone's like, because that's their moment. The referee, that's their moment where they're in the spotlight right there. Are you going to do something?

Mario Yamasaki said, fuck it. I'm going to spread love. Fuck it. Fuck it. That's my second. I can do whatever I want Bruce bumper does fucking wheel kicks and shit You know what I mean? Why not throw a little little hand? So there's never been a guy like Bruce buffer that you could talk into doing a 360 pretty agile He did a 360 used to do the 180 does the one is still we're all

Fucking 360 who's the greatest thing ever? No, no, no, he blew his knee out? No, no, no. He blew his knee out jumping. He was jumping. Bro, I've seen him in the gym with cables doing the Bruce Buffer 360. No lie. Resistance training.

And telling you why he's doing it, too. That's fucking hysterical. As I walk into the gym, I hear, the hybrid in front of everyone. I'm like, bro, for sure, relax, man. He's doing resistant band. Hey, you know what? I bet if he took a little capoeira, that would help as well. Because he's kind of doing capoeira.

So, meanwhile, not to be disrespectful to these gentlemen that are engaging in mortal combat right now. Homeboy on top was a minus 1,000. When's the last time you saw a minus 1,000? What does that mean? That means he's a heavy favorite to win the fight. Heavy, heavy favorite. 1,000 is like 10 to 1, right? Is that what it is?

Who made these odds? Sean Shelby? I don't know. It makes it the biggest odds. Oh, he wouldn't know, right? But sometimes they're way off, dude. Fighting's tough to bet on. I've hooked Aubrey up a bunch of times where I was like, that line is crazy.

Like, you got a guy coming in from somewhere else and people might not know. And the Vegas guys might not have never seen him fight before. And you're like, get the fuck out of here with this line. This line's ridiculous. You got to wonder who's making those. They're not too educated. Yeah, like. Especially on the undercard stuff.

There's been some ones in the past oh like when Wonderboy Thompson was fighting was he no it wasn't Wonderboy was another Rick really good striker I'll remember as the and I said I mentioned Sean Shelby because not because like he's an idiot oh I only said that because he would he's the only one who would know right if it's a thousand, if it's minus a thousand. I don't know these guys. I would just say it's even. Right.

But if you really know, only a guy like Sean Shelby who studies these guys would go, dude, that guy's terrible and this other guy's a writer. He's killing everybody. You know who knows everybody? Everybody in all the records? Joe Silva. No one knows more about MMA than Joe Silva. He's a library for sure.

No one knows more about, like, he might not know as much about execution, like how to execute things or where things are going. Why is that funny? As far as how many, like, guys who know fighters and know who's fighting and winning, Joe Silva knows more than anybody. No one will make your heart drop more than when you, on your cell phone, you get a call from Joe Silva. Oh, really?

When it's Joe Silva, because you know he's only calling about matchups. He's not calling for anything else. Right, right. So you see Joe Silva on the cell phone, you're like, oh, shit. He's a smart dude, man. It's hard to start the race when you see Joe Silva on the text. I've been trying to get Joe Silva on the podcast for a while, and I told him, I go, look, dude, how about we just don't talk about MMA?

We won't even talk about MMA. He's a really smart dude, but he's in a position as a matchmaker. He has to be very careful. I can't get him high and have him talking crazy shit. People don't know where he lives, right? They don't know where he lives and shit. I don't know if they want it publicly said, so I won't say it, but I like that guy. I like Joe Silva a lot.

He's smart as fuck, dude. He gave me a Sam Harris book way back in the day. I'm friends with Sam Harris. I found out about him through Joe. Joe gave me a book, Letters to a Christian Nation. Great book. Wouldn't he like to come on with a guy like that just so he could talk to a guy that he admires? You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. Oh, that's locked up. Right there. There you go. Look at this. guy like that just so he could talk to a guy that he admires you know yeah right there what would you do that too late kid yeah that's even though too late I was done he's fine the guy let go over you know we know what impress me more than that yeah no one impressing more than that Leo Vieira and you in Brazil when he had locked that one up on you Why you got to bring up bullshit? Because your defense is impeccable. No, no, he almost I didn't know what I was doing the defense What I held my arm or something like it whatever it was whatever it was

I didn't know what I was doing and I I was about to tap. He gave me too much. My face is purple. It's one of those old TV footage. It looks like an old Muhammad Ali type, just old. But you could see my face is purple. Were you about to go out? I was about to go out, and he let go. And then I didn't want to show any weakness, so I stood up really quick

and like faking like I was going to shoot. Like you're going to shoot. But meanwhile, I'm drunk as fuck. But I'm so scared that he's going to see that, that you just pretend like nothing's wrong. I was like taking shots and shit. I've never taken a shot in my life. That's awesome.

I've never taken a shot in my life, but that's how purple my head was. Ronda Rousey, Kat Zingano. You know what they call it? You know what guys are calling? I think it's MMA Junkie Radio, I think, coined it. They've been calling it Lilith Fair. Because it's the woman main event and the woman co-main. Really, it is?

Yeah. Who's the co-main event? Holly Holm. Have you ever seen her fight? She's really good. The chick who put that girl asleep. I want to see that. Even though Weidman and Belfort,

was that the matchup that was cancelled? Even though, that would have been a great fucking match. Any match that Weidman and any match that beat their Belfort is great. But seriously, I love watching Ronda. Because you know a million percent she's going to come after. I think she gets

hypnotized. I think she's the only one that's listening to Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson told everybody on Howard Stern, he told everybody he said, Customato was really into hypnotizing me. Before every one of those big fights in the game, I was hypnotized. He brought in a real hypnotist. He said

Customato was actually an amateur hypnotist himself. But he brought in a real legit guy before every fight to hypnotize him. And he stopped getting hypnotized after Customato died. How come no one's going, shit, how come everyone's getting a strength conditioning coach, they're gonna need a jiu-jitsu coach, a wrestling coach, striking coach,

and a hypnotist. Who's your hypnotist? It's gonna get to that point eventually when people realize. You think? Or is Mike Tyson batshit crazy? Well, you know. That's what he said. He was hypnotized in the locker room. A professional hypnotist before he went out there.

Killer B, are you trying to get hypnotized next fight or what? I don't know, man. You have to. Doesn't it make sense? You have to accept it. If you're resistant at all, are you going to be able to be hypnotized? Joe Schilling. I don't know. Joe Schilling got a hypnotist now Vinnie Shore. No Vinnie Shorman. Who is it Joe?

She's a bad job Did you see that spinning backfist right hand he dropped that dude within glory? Just set him up for the right to perfect timing relaxed cracks Bam drops the right one with the timefist, look, look, look, BAM! Drops the right hand on him. Come on, the time before Inglourie, like a few fights ago, there was the tournament, right? You watch those guys, they're knocked out four, five times, legit knockouts, but they

keep fighting all through the finals. Holy fuck. Dude, if you know anything about kickboxing, listen to this lineup he fought in one fucking night. He fights Simon Marcus, who was 39-0, okay? Who had already knocked him out in the past. They go three fucking rounds to a dead heat, so they go to a fourth round. This is the first fight.

He's got to fight three times in a night. Three murders. Knocks Simon Marcus out with a right hand. Puts him to sleep. Face plants. It's fucking chaos. night three murders knocks simon marcus out with a right hand puts him to sleep face plants his chaos then he fights wayne barrett a dude who also had beat him before beats him by decision barrett's a bad then he goes into the main event and fights artem levin who's is if shilling's not the best levin's the best it's like those two because shilling had already

beat levin you know he dropped him and hit him with a knee on the way down. It was a devastating fight for Levin. But Schilling and Levin, they're like fucking right there, man. I mean, Levin's a beast. We have to fight Levin in the fucking finals. I mean, that's insane. He fights four fucking rounds with Simon Marcus. How brutal is kickboxing?

Insane. Huh? Three times in a night is insane. Someone could easily die from something like that. Spike TV's got to stop that. So we're talking about hypnotism. I mean, how much is Joe Schilling getting hypnotized? Yes, he's doing that now.

This guy Vinny Sherman. How come everyone isn't getting hypnotized? What's going on? Maybe all that shit you hear about. He calls him a mile coach. You have heard Randy Couture talk about the importance of having a sports psychologist. Maybe that's just a nice way of saying it. Maybe Randy Couture talked about the importance of having a sports psychologist. Maybe that's just a nice way of saying, like, maybe Randy Couture was hypnotized. Because when he came out, didn't he seem like he had zero fear?

Randy Couture came out and never showed an ounce of fear. Mike Tyson came out and never showed an ounce of fear. He came from the ghetto. Randy Couture came from white people's neighborhoods. You know what I mean? White people's neighborhoods. You know what I mean? So they both came out with zero fear,

but Randy Couture had that Captain America attitude, and Mike Tyson had that attitude, like, I'm going to fucking eat your children. Randy said the reason he wasn't nervous because he accepted losing. He was like, I don't care. They make different white people in Oregon, man. They make different white people.

Dars! Eddie, what's wrong? What's going wrong here? I don't know how deep his right hand is. Do you like to go clockwise? I don't know how deep his right arm is. Do you like to sit out your hip? How do you like to do this?

There's so many different ways to close this off. How do you like to do it? Hook that top leg with your right leg. The top leg? The left leg? Yeah, the top leg. And sit to hip yourself. And switch it to a Japanese necktie. Yes, sir.

Love the Japanese necktie, right? He wasn't deep enough. The Japanese necktie, to me, seems stronger than the D'Arce. It's very, very hard to choke out. They have large carotid arteries or whatever it is, maybe more muscle around them. Some guys are just hard to choke. And then you could have a guy in a D'Arce. I've had guys in D'Arce that's full-blown.

My arms are just so burnt, I couldn't squeeze. I know I'm not going to be able to tap them. I'm just holding them there, thinking about my next move. And I'm just sitting there going, I have zero energy to squeeze this dude. I can't do it I got to go after like an arm bar or a calf crank Oh Look at this guillotine Oh mountain that is the shit when you get a mounted when you get a guillotine and rolls into a mounted Guillotine that feeling of getting that guillotine on in the mount is just so it's like now bitch

Substantial, you know, I got LeVar Johnson's he would you say who tested positive for PDS? I got him in a dars and dars is my shit. Yeah I know when I had it I had it locked up and I was like, oh this one's over and he's going Laughing laughing as it's on and punching me in the face laughing, laughing as it's on, and punching me in the face. Just so much fucking muscle just did not, no fucks given. And then he pissed hot for that fight. Oh, yeah, and got cut right after that.

Who's this guy? LeVar Johnson. LeVar Johnson is not the most skillful guy, but let me tell you something. He hits as hard as any human being I've ever seen hit someone in the heavyweight division. He hits so fucking hard. When he hit Pat Barryry i was like jesus christ and pat barry that was the first guy like chet congo was the first guy to ko with him ko'd pat barry but the levar johnson fight was a little more shocking to me because i was like man i thought that barry would be able to out technique this dude i thought there would be a lot of like

that heavy right leg kick that he throws and you know pat barry was know like the Shane Del Rosario fight he had good success against really high level kickboxers so I was like this is gonna be a hard on right but LaVar hits so fucking hard uppercut dude he's got some life-changing punching power not even close he's got that life-changing punching power like from power yeah just fucking such a meathead what's that who's such a meathead LeVar I said who has our especially rich Carwin is do he said oh yeah you're gonna get a hypnotist I might have to man maybe right right how come more people are on this shit Mike Tyson is telling he's the only guy in the history of fighting who went out

there scared the living but Jesusjesus out of his opponents. No fighter in history had a lineup of opponents that were visibly terrified in the ring. Terrified, all of them. I think Ron does do the same right now. They're not terrified. Those girls are fucked, man. I don't think they're scared. When Misha Tate walked out to...

Dude, Trevor Burbick, do you remember that? No, what'd she walk out to with the Katy Perry song? This Ray Borg is a good fucking grappler, man. This is impressive shit. Ray Borg's a beast. Dude, he's going one sub to the next sub to the next sub. Yeah, he's a beast, man. He's a fucking beast.

And he's not tired. Like, he's attacking aggressively and he doesn't get tired. Well, the guy he's with, man, the guy he's fighting, Kaledis, he's tough as shit, man, because that guy's withstood an assault. But I'm impressed. I mean, look, that odds, right? Now we know.

That's why it's 1,000 plus 1,000. But if you're a minus 1,000, you're supposed to go in there and you're supposed to be a one-rounder. Well, I mean, that's usually how the odds are. But isn't a Mighty Mouse fight like a minus 1,000? Sometimes he doesn't finish, guys. Yeah, but he's also, I mean, what's usually how the odds are, you know what I'm saying? But isn't a Mighty Mouse fight like a minus 1,000? Sometimes he doesn't finish, guys. Yeah, but he's also, I mean, what is he, a 125er? Yeah, but he knocked out Benavidez with one punch.

You know who's the craziest puncher is that fucking Lineker kid. I really wish he could make 125. They said he can't fight at 125 anymore. Said he has to fight at 135. Yeah, yeah, he let it go. So we're talking about technique now. He's going for the D-Path. Look at this. Ray Borg. Look how strong Ray Borg's grappling is.

Look how strong. Physically strong. Just totally dominant in position. Every position in those transitionary periods where it might tip the other way, wrong, bitch. I'm on you. Plant you down. Here we go. He's strong, man. His grappling is super, super tight. Oh, I like go. He's strong, man. His grappling is super, super tight. Oh, I like that.

It's tight, man. That's Gio. He's kind of like dropping a shin on your head, too. That's his number one move right there. He gets a free one. Staying half guard, hit the Kimura and hook the head with the left leg. That's on his back. Gio, that's where he lives right there.

When you transition that, you kind of get a free shin to the face, too, right? It's like the only time we're allowed to drop a shin on a dude. Right it. If the guy has a good Kimura grip, if it's solid, it takes a long time to master just holding onto that grip. It's not really about the Kimura these days.

It's more about just getting the grip to get better positions. You can get the back from there. It's hard to Kimura guys, but... Oh, he tapped. He did. Oh, he got him. Wow, he got him. Oh, fuck.

Wow, he yanked that shit up quick. As soon as the left arm was free, he popped it right behind his back. Yeah. Very nice. I'm not saying the Kimura's not possible. Obviously, it's possible, but it's generally now,

it's an art in itself. You can put a whole DVD out on jumping on a Kimura grip in every position and how to improve your position how to sweep how to get the back how to turn it into arm bar how to do this how to turn it into a leg lock boom just the kimura grip it's a whole style on itself it could be it could be a it's own style really just bam watch how he gets it see that there's that free shin he's a mean shit you're gonna drop a shit out of dude's face it's so hard to get that arm out at that point yeah here he gets it right here hey um how close was uh javi to catching gary tonin

in the kimura oh i don't remember that he had him in a Kimura. Very briefly in the opening moments of the fight, he attacked with a Kimura, and Gary Tonin wound up getting out of it. But you guys are speculating. I was watching in the tub. Watching a little stream in the tub. You guys are speculating whether or not Javi would go after something quick,

and right away they tied up. But right away, Harvey tried to lock up Kimura. I don't remember that. You don't remember it? Who was it? I didn't see it. Gary Tonin caught him with a triangle. It was beautiful.

Gary Tonin is on fire. He's on fire. That triangle was just beautiful. The way he took it from the side and then pinned him over. How much time did he catch him? It took about 10 minutes. No, maybe less. No, maybe took about 10 minutes. Maybe less. No, maybe less than 10 minutes.

It was a really, really high-paced match. Javi could have easily... He was telling me that he was going to take Gary Tone into deep waters because Javi's known

for his cardio and that's like his style. He likes to wear him out. It's like, you know, he trains with Henner and Heeran a lot. They like to wear dudes out. And that's what he was telling me that he was going to do but he didn't do that at all he went after him he went after gary tonin but it's so hard it's so hard to

tap out gary tonin that's tough tough you know what i was really impressed with i mean i was really impressed with gary tonin's triangle but javi's defense is insane. Yeah, he defended all Gary Toten's leg locks. That's what Gary's known for. Gary's known for leg locks. He said, I just trained with Lister, and he says he didn't get near my feet. He says I felt real good there. He already had amazing

leg lock defense. He trained with Eric Paulson down at CSW. Javi was very hard to leg lock. That's going to be a hard thing to do. And he spent a lot of extra time with leg lock defense because that's Gary's go-to stuff. But he got caught in a triangle. Gary Tone got all kind of game.

He's got everything. He's got everything. That triangle was so beautiful, too. To set it up on a guy like Javi from your side like that, lock it in, and then just go through. Every step of the way, it's like Javi couldn't stop it. He won his match. Gary Turner won his match in Polaris.

He beat Marcin Held. He leg-locked him. Before that, Metamorris against Zach Maxwell. He leg-locked him. And then before that, the other Metamorris he did against Kit Dale, guillotined him. He's not just leg-locks. His leg-locks are vicious. Does he do gi and no gi guillotined him. Right. He's not just leg locks. His leg locks are vicious.

Does he do gi and no gi or just gi? He does gi. He doesn't do as well in the gi because he's just not a points guy. It's a whole different game. There's a points style and then there's a submission only style. Two different, completely, like the way you would train for those tournaments is totally different. Well, no one gives a shit about the points-only ones. They don't care.

If it's points-only and it doesn't go to a submission, it just feels like, it feels kind of fucked up. But when you're watching these fights, like these fights in the Gracie Nationals, the Gracie Nationals, dude, those were fucking exciting as shit because you knew someone's getting tapped. There's not a better one than EBI. It's the best tournament I ever been to. It's the best. These kind of tournaments where you're going submission only, that's what's up. I mean, all that stuff.

Well, Gary Toten's coming to EBI 3 March 22nd, Sunday. March 22nd? At the Orpheum Theater. It's going to be on budovideos.com. It's going to be the first one that we do on pay-per-view. Orpheum's a different one than... There's a whole new... There's an Orpheum where they film American Idol.

We got hooked up. What time is it? What time does it go? We start. Doors open at 2. We're going to start at 4. It's on a Sunday, March 22nd. I got the Comedy and Magic Club at 7.

Will I miss everything? Will I miss the main show? It'll go until 11 at night. You'll catch a good. You might not get to the end. Where's it going to be at? A 16-man tournament can take an hour and a half, or it could take two hours and a half.

It's like a badass documentary even if you don't know the first eight matches the preliminaries by the time you get to the finals you're going to know those finalists very very well so when you go see a 16-man tournament each match one at a time it really is like a documentary it's like ufc2 remember that you got to see it all unfold you don't really get to see that much you know the personality where do you get to see that where do you get to see a tournament unfold like that glory glory that crazy glory yes exactly how good was that last yeah insane insane that's the only other place i think they should stop that i really do i'm a big fan of glory i want glory to be successful you just fight different though

you can do it for sure 100 that'sJitsu match. Oh, yes, 100%. Jiu-Jitsu is for sure. 100%. That's very different. I mean for Glory. Even in MMA, it's more kind. But for a straight kickboxing, it's brutality. Ben, what do you think about that?

Ben, you're an active fighter. What do you think about, like, pull up to that microphone, man. What do you think about the idea of fighting like that, like a Glory event? Like, it's kind of dangerous, right? Three times in a night? I mean, it's definitely dangerous, but it's also, also if you're doing it you're doing it as like that's the that's the goal is it's so crazy how many people are really willing to participate in this and really go try to become the champion of that night right i mean that's what got me in the fighting when i saw the ufc

back in the day it was tournaments, tournaments all in one night. It was nuts. And there's so much circumstance, and I guess there could be luck. You can win with a head kick but break your foot. Now you're going along either trying to fight through it or you have to bow out and that's it. Like Steve Jenim. Remember when Steve Jenim won because Hoyce couldn't go on?

Steve Jenim won. No one really remembers him. Those tournaments versus the Pride tournaments when it's like this month they're going to fight, then we'll have the next thing. But to have it all in one night, that's the thing, man. I love the Pride style. I think we know too much about getting like, getting damage and then cooling off

and then going back and getting more damage. We know that's, like, the ramifications are, like, multiplied. Like, you're getting all these concussions, and then you're going to go and have another fight. How much are those boys getting paid over in Glory? That's a good question. Does anyone know? I don't know.

It can't be great. I do not know. It can't be great. I have zero idea. I wouldn't want to. I do not know. It can't be great. I have zero idea. I wouldn't want to speculate, but they're on Viacom. I'm telling you it can't be great. My take is this could work because they're on Viacom. They're on fucking Spike TV, and Spike TV is making Friday night just combat sports night.

Bellator one time, kickboxing another time. They're doing Golden Glory boxing. It's going to be great. But if people just pay attention, Glory's going to be huge. It's just one of those, it can't miss. They just have to do, like what the UFC did is the UFC put the Ultimate Fighter together and they spent $44 million in losses before the Ultimate Fighter became a hit. So it was like they were real close to getting out.

Glory's got to do the same thing. If Glory can figure out how to just hang in there, that thing could take off it's exciting as shit man yeah i mean everybody wants to see stand-up fighting people if everybody fought the way gary tonin fights or the way marcello garcia fights people would love to see nogi jujitsu too just like people love to see boxing too but you want to talk about like pure excitement like kickboxing is right up there with MMA I mean it's like high-level kickboxer with the best guys are going at it it's some wild shit goes down that fucking Raymond Daniels dude with those wild 360 in the air spin kicks like a fucking video game he knocks dudes out with like video game shit he threw a jumping

sidekick Eddie touched the guy in the chest and then spawned with a spinning back kick to his face in the air it was insane it was some fucking literally some video game shit like her well he was a badass point fighter he was a badass point karate fighter oh I don't know it's taekwondo or karate I mean whatever it is the lines are getting blurry with all those. The techniques are getting real close. Is this going to be a tough fight? It's going to be Ronda's toughest challenge.

I think she'll pass the test. What if she just rips right through her again? She's just like, everybody's a new challenge for Ronda. And then she just fucks them all up. Right? You know it's going to be a crazy fight. I'm here to say that I believe Ronda gets hypnotized before she fights. I'm just saying that.

Would you clarify, though, do you think she gets hypnotized? Look at the way she comes out. Look at the way she comes out. And you know, what's his name? Looks like Benson Henderson with all hair. Her catch wrestling, Judo Gene LaBelle. He's old school. He probably knew Custom Model. he probably knew custom model they probably took hypnotizing lessons together they got the blue belts together in hypnotism yes that's that's

the new uh explain it ronda comes out she looks like she is on fucking fuck she comes out like mike tyson i also think ronda's so much better than all these girls. She could go on a three-week binge, no sleep, do all the coke she wants, and walk in and just destroy these coke. Whatever the hell she wants to do. Name a drug. Don't throw under the bus. Well, I'm not saying she is.

I'm saying she could. He wasn't saying that. All right. Anyway. We know what you mean. You know what I'm saying. You know what, man? It's really about Cyborg. Drop it down to 135. Unless, I mean, we don'm saying, man. You know what, man? It's really about Cyborg dropping down to 135.

Unless, I mean, we don't know, man. Kat Zingano, you look at that combination. Kat's a beast, man. She finished Misha Tate with. She's fucking ferocious. This is the problem. Legit ferocious. That's a slow start.

Ronda's got more competition than all those girls combined. So, like, when she walks out with that stare, like, she's been down that pole. She's been walking that aisle for fucking years. And her striking's getting good now. Now, all of a sudden, they got to worry about that shit now. Right? In Texas, when she fought there, she knocked the girl. Every thought, she ground and pounded her out.

And then they go, oh, no, it was the knee. Oh, no, it was the throw. Bullshit. She hit her and knocked her out and then kneed her so quickly and then threw her before anybody knew she was out. Before she landed that knee on that one chick. The girl was already out cold. Before she knocked out that, who was it, Sarah McMahon, that she fucked up with the knee? Yeah.

Before that knee, Jessamyn Duke was telling me weeks before, she's killing with the knee. She dropped Jessamyn Duke with the knee in training. So Jessamyn said, she's got crazy knees. Ronda's got, whoa. What do you think about that judo? Ronda really doesn't train with girls. The girls that her friends, her roommates that she used to have, she really wasn't training with them.

She'd beat them up so bad. The coach was like, nah, we need dudes up in here. We need some fucking dudes. Can you imagine though? That's an uncommon woman. The pressure of that kind of training since she's three? Yeah. Come on.

Yeah. Yeah, she's just an ultra winner. It's going to take another ultra winner You know It's gonna take another Ultra winner to beat her What about Marina Does she turn with her still Or no Shit

Your guess is as good as mine You know it'd be badass If Rana said You know what I don't give a fuck About the steroids Let that bitch do steroids I'll still fight her

Steroids or not I'm still gonna beat her You don't wanna say that man You don't wanna say that You need to watch that Gina Carano fight Yeah yeah How crazy would it be If she said that Dude if she came out And said that You don't want to say that, man. You don't want to say that. You need to watch that Gina Carano fight. Yeah, yeah.

How crazy would it be if she said that? Dude, if she came out and said that, that would be the most gangster thing you could say. That's the most gangster shit. That's the most gangsta shit. Ray Rice elevator shit. There was just like, dear God, someone stop this shit. Because that's basically what fighters in the UFC are doing. Like, you have an opponent. You know the guy is roided to the gills.

You know that. But you don't say like, you know what? You don't bring that out. You can't. You're just like, you accept it. You're like, of course he is. Look at the guy is roided to the gills. You know that. But you don't say, like, you know what? You don't bring that out. You can't. You're just like, you accept it. You're like, of course he is. Look at the guy. We're going to fight.

You don't even bring up the steroids. A couple people do. Like, Chad Mendes brought it up, or someone brought it up. A couple guys do. But you generally, you know that there's a good chance that your opponent is probably on some shit, right? Yeah, but this is a difference between a guy who becomes publicly. You can't speculate publicly. I can't be like, if you're about to weigh in, I can grab the mic from Rogan.

Like, yo, homeboy's on the sauce. No, of course, of course. Of course, but in your mind, you're assuming that he probably is. Let me prepare for someone who's probably roided, right? Yeah, but there's a big difference between someone who's probably roided and someone like Cyborg who's a girl taking male hormones. That's a different argument. Is that proven?

Is that proven? She tested positive. She tested positive. If she did steroids, she'd be huge. She's fucking, you ever seen her? She's bigger than me, bro. Let's have a debate right now. I'm so open to like.

Damn it. You gotta understand the Eddie problem. He does do that. It's been a while. We haven't done one of these in a while. She looks a lot different now. You look at Cyborg now, she looks understand the Eddie problems. He does do that. It's been a while. We haven't done one of these in a while. She looks a lot different now. You look at Cyborg now, she looks a lot leaner.

That's the answer you give if someone asks you if you do roids. You go, dude, if I did roids, I'd be huge. That's what you say.

Right? You're not denying it or anything? You know, the real argument though is, wait, you are huge though. Dude,

come on, look at me. Look at me, dude. Look at me. You think I'm on roids? Think about that. Thanks for the compliment The real argument with a chick like her though is that how long was she doing it for and did she? Permanently alter her physique. You know I'm saying like when you're introducing if you look at like you ever seen those women

Spencer and all that. Yeah. Well those women they used to be like Miss Olympians I know one of those ladies and she just looks different now. Like she juiced up guaranteed and she just looks different now. She's in her fifties now and it's like, man, like what do you mean? She looks like she's pretty obvious. She did some fucking male hormones. What'd she do? Wrestle?

She was Miss Olympia. She's bodybuilding. Oh, bodybuilding. Or one of those. Not Miss Olympia or Miss Universe or whatever. She was a giant lady. Do you think those speed skaters with the big thighs, do you think they do roids?

I would think that a lot of professional athletes do steroids. A lot of amateur athletes. It's really part of the game. And do you think that since the Lance Armstrong situation happened, do you think cyclists are still doing all that shit? Hell yeah. Nothing changed? No.

He got busted, nothing changed. Nothing changed. Part of the game. Did you see what happened with that? The next guy that didn't piss hot would have been like the 22nd finisher. 15. I think it was 15. 15th or 16th place.

Can you imagine if you were 15? The next best guy that didn't piss dirty ever was the 15th guy in to finish. They all piss hot. So 1 through 14, everyone piss hot. In a certain year or something? What are you guys saying? In a certain year, 1 through 14 piss hot? No, no, no.

He's saying if there's 20 guys that raced, 15 of them pissed hot. The top 15 test positive. In what year? I mean, what is that? Almost every year. Oh, every time. They always piss hot. They always get busted.

And they just keep going? It's essentially a dirty sport. No one gets busted? No, they do. But see, for the longest time, people were lying. They didn't have as sophisticated methods of determining whether they were on certain things. And there was doctors that were involved. There's a lot of scandalous shit that's going down.

That guy that you had on the podcast. Look at this. Kevin Lee with a guillotine, standing guillotine. The guy he's fighting is a beast, man. That fucking Pizarro's. He's very fucking strong. Yeah, but this guy is a jiu-jitsu guy on top. I'm telling you. He's still got guillotine. He can.

That's a deep guillotine. I'm telling you, this dude is getting through that. It's a different animal. Michelle Perez, I think. How do you say it pazaris rather oh he's a beast dude i'm telling you there's some gnarly grappling going on oh dude he's he's a beast this guy's physically strong he doesn't finish often in the octagon he's having a hard time like catching guys and stuff but his positioning is ridiculous this is where you use

the grease right here someone's got your back you get in that tripod physical strength and control is ridiculous. But you know what? Sometimes it takes guys like Damian Maia. Sometimes it takes guys a few fights to get settled in. It looked like he just kissed him in the cheek. Damian Maia is going to fight Ryan LaFleur. Yeah.

It's the main event out there, right? That's an interesting fight, man. People don't know how good LaFleur is. Is that your card, Killeby? Yeah. Yeah. Same card, man. People don't know how good the flair is. Is that your card, Killeby? Yeah, yeah. Same card, man. Who was supposed to be on the main event? Uriah Faber and... Oh, that's right. Asuncao. Yes. Asuncao fucked his foot up. He broke his ankle.

So now it's Uriah Faber and... Uriah Faber versus fucking Frankie Edgar, dude. That's crazy. That's crazy. The Philippines? The Philippines. Main event for the Philippinesilippines is that at 45 yep it's a gnarly ass fight it's a gnarly fight you're i like you're i favor 45 because he could have all that energy you know i mean he he cuts to get to 135 i think it's really rough on him and i think even especially as you get older it might benefit him to fight 145 because he's still

gonna cut a little yeah you know like they're very similar in size But it might be the first fight everywhere Frankie Edgar's the bigger guy I think every UFC fighter could learn something from your eye favor No one's capitalized as far as business wise opportunity than your eye favor. Well, he's Though he makes when it comes to business Real estate that he owns the companies that he starts uh torque he sold to k swiss he's just always he's always he always has his hand in the pot as far as just making torque makes good shit they're the best gloves i've ever used man you have two velcros inside of them that it zips up really

tight it's a super comfortable glove like i have a pair of twins that i was using and they feel like shit now compared to the Torque. Torque's sweet, man. But I love the twins. Twins are nice. They're good. I use them constantly. I like them. But these Torques are so good. Everything they make is good. Their shin and insteps are great.

Their gloves are like the most comfortable gloves I've ever put on. You know what makes really good gloves too? Hayabusa. They make some great... That's those tie pads that we have. Justin holds the tie pads for me and I had the older ones and they'd fuck his arms up. But the Hayabusas, man, it absorbs everything. Do you only wear those tie gloves when you hit mitts? What do you mean? Or do you wear like winning or any of the... I wear these, for punching, I wear the fucking torques, man. I don't wear anything with, I have like 80 different for punching i wear the fucking torques man i don't

wear anything with i have like 80 different gloves i always pick those torques up have you tried those winning gloves yeah i've tried those those are good yeah yeah i mean there's a lot of good stuff you know a lot of people title makes good gloves a lot of people make good gloves but i really the torque is like it's it's very pliable too like it moves good in your hand you feel like you get a good grip. For me, it's all about wrist support, man. My wrists are jacked. So those Everlast.

Do you tape the shit out of them when you work out? Oh, I tape them like a motherfucker. Do you do wrist exercises? What's up? Do you do wrist exercises to strengthen it? Nah. What? How dare you?

Why do that? I don't know. Fuck yeah, you should be doing wrist curls. Wrist curls are big, man. Don't do anything with a weak link. Don't address that shit. Yeah. Yeah,'t know. Fuck yeah, you should be doing wrist curls. Wrist curls are big, man. Don't do anything with a weak link. Don't address that shit. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

Dude, I had a bad wrist for like 10 years. I fucked up my wrist once, and it literally never got better. I never got an MRI. I never found out what was wrong with it. It would click. No matter what I did, it would click, and it would be in pain every time I worked out for like 10 years. That's me. But you know what i got prolo therapy my life i got that prolo therapy shit where they inject like they stick glucose into your veins your tendons no it's a different

thing like one of them you do for joints like where the tendons are loose and you have issue dude it fixed it like you never hear about something getting fixed like when someone has a chronic something for 10 years it's always like well dude that's some shit you got to deal with but no my wrist got fixed they injected all these these fucking needles into it hurt like a fuck especially the rest feels like fire fire back it's amazing it's sore too and then it's sore as fuck and they're like yeah no ibuprofen don't ice it we want the swelling Yeah, just sit with that hurt for a long time therapy Yeah, what it does is it makes your tendons physically thicker like it can make it as much as 40% thicker

Is that the someone knew someone I want to say I want to say it's Scotty from on the mat one of his buddies was getting Prolo on his elbows and his knees just to strengthen him from jiu-jitsu. Didn't even have issues. Was getting it just injected in. It's a great idea. It literally strengthens your tendons. It hurts so bad. But allegedly, I mean, I want to make sure that this is – you should Google it before you go out and do it.

You should Google it before you go out and do it. Years ago when he was like a purple belt to John Jocks, he tweaked his knee in jiu-jitsu really, really bad. And you immediately called the people from Prolo from John Jocks, and they said, come on over now. And you had your NSX. Yeah. And I remember he couldn't drive, so I had to drive his NSX.

And I've never driven a high-powered sports car before, so I was kind of like grinding the gears here and there. And he's dying as you're going. He's so mad. He was so mad. His knee was fucked up, and he was like, This is the first car I got when I got rich, and you're killing it. I wound up driving it back. Can you imagine?

He's in the worst mood he could be, and his knee just popped. Oh, that's fucking awesome. I'm rushing him to prolo therapy so that we can avoid surgery, perhaps. Right? And he's so mad at me. I'll never forget it. You can't fucking drive with shit, dude. You're fucking killing my gears.

What the fuck are you doing? And he's panicking. I'm like. Yeah, you put the pressure on so he's nervous probably even more, making it worse. Dude, it's a hard car to drive, dude. You have to practice. It's not like driving a central stick shift. It's not.

It's different. A man could ever drive. It's one of the smoothest, easiest cars a man could ever drive in his life. Come on, man. I drove stick my whole life. I drove stick my whole life. It was very powerful, man. I had a stick shift Pinto station wagon.

I was used to that shit. Well, the one that you drove was the best one I ever owned, too, because it was supercharged. I put a supercharger on that one. And the prolotherapy, this was like 15 years ago, man. Back then, they didn't have the results they have now, right? The scientific data? Well, what happened to my knee was I had a bucket handle tear, the meniscus. So prolotherapy wouldn't have fixed that.

I had to get some surgery done. There was an opening in the meniscus where it would flip over and lock. The meniscus was torn, and if my knee got tweaked sideways, the torn part would tuck under, and it would literally lock my leg out. It was rough. So they had to go in there and scoop that shit out and fix it. But the prolotherapy is really good for if you have any, like, tendinitis. They just have to take some of it out.

They take some of it out. But they fixed it. I mean, it gets sore occasionally now, but I can do everything with it. Ben has never needed any surgery. He's never been hurt, right? You've never needed any kind of surgery, right? No blown out knees, no nothing. That's amazing.

And how old are you now? You of surgery, right? No blown out knees, no nothing. That's amazing. And how old are you now? Very lucky. You're 31, right? No injuries. Randy Couture went his whole career with no surgery. That's amazing. Amazing. Yeah, that is crazy.

So this fucking dude, Michelle Pizarro, he's a beast, man. This is a good scrap. And this Kevin Lee kid, he's fucking good, man. I've seen him. I've commented on several of his fights. He's a really young kid. He's about to switch on him right here. Look at this.

Yeah. So close. Damn, next Sunday is Bigfoot and Frank Mayer? Yeah. Yeah, next Sunday. Where's that at? It's in Brazil. It's one of the first main events ever where one guy's 0-4 and the other's 0-3 in his last three.

Yeah. It's a big, crucial fight for both of them. Well, it's a weird fight, you know. It's a big crucial fight for both of them. Well, it's a weird fight, you know. It's a good fight, really. I'm a Frank Mir fan. Well, I've always been a Frank Mir fan. Love that guy. Frank Mir, he can't do TRT anymore, though.

That's one thing. Why not? They won't let him. Nobody does TRT anymore. Bigfoot can't do TRT anymore either Fighters now are they stopping? With the PEDs now. I mean are they stopping are they really stopping are they trying to be more careful come on? What do you think can they really stop can you really train that hard?

Just the guys just figure ways around it. You got to wonder. It's part of professional sports. It's not a UFC problem. It's a professional sports problem. Just UFC guys get caught and it makes a bigger scene. NFL guys get caught all the time. What do you think about it?

We can't talk over each other. Every year there's NFL players that get popped. Non-stop. Every year, every year, NFL, every year there's NFL. Every single year. There's NFL players that get popped. Non-stop. Every year. About how many a year on average? Way more than the UFC. Not even close.

Granted, there's more players. Yeah, 10, 15 a year or way more? Probably more. More. Are you sure? But they don't even announce it anymore. They don't because it's just whatever. They just let it go.

Because they don't have to because the commission's announcing it. The number one team that got banned the most, had the most players test positive, and we don't know whether it's, it could be for Adderall, it could be for steroids. We don't know. They don't tell you that. But the number one team who had the most players test positive was the Seattle Seahawks, who won the Super Bowl. Makes sense.

So why is it that baseball goes in front of Congress, and football, basketball, all these other sports, it's just a fine or it's an internal problem? why is it that baseball goes in front of Congress and football all the basketball all these other sports it's just a fine or it's an internal problem why is it wait a minute didn't the Patriots win the Super Bowl my bad yeah last year I don't even know with one the more I got into the UFC, the more I stopped watching football. I barely watch football every now and then. I keep track of it. I don't give a fuck about the Patriots or the Seahawks, but I watched the Super Bowl,

and holy shit, that was the craziest game of all time. The end, that end, that catch, the craziest catch in football history right there at the very end. It just bounces off the dude's body and still catches it. I can't believe you watched football, man. I wouldn't think that. No, the Super Bowl was crazy. And then they threw an interception right after that. And then the game's over.

How about the Katy Perry riding the lion part? I'm not mad at that either. I didn't get to see that. No? She's a talented chick, man. I don't care. Anybody can say that. She's pretty and she's very talented.

I'm not trying to buy her music or anything, but I see the hook. I hear the hook in there. I'm not mad at her music either. I'm like, okay, that music is pretty good. I ain't going to try to buy it, but hey, it's better than fucking Britney Spears. You know, according to Twitter, she's the most famous person on earth.

She has the most followers out of anyone. Wow. I can't even tell you. No way. More than like a Kim Kardashian? Let's take a guess. Oh, come on. I don't know about that.

That doesn't seem possible. More than Obama? What do you think she has? 39. Twitter? What do you say? I'm going to say. He went 39. 73 million. This is like Price is Right. What do you say? 42. What do you think she has? 39. Twitter? What do you say? I'm going to say... He went 39.

This is like Price is Right. What do you say? 42. What do you say? 42. 42? What do you say? 56.

Well... 65. Woo! This bitch has 65 million. What's Kim Kardashian? What is her tweet? I'm not even going to look. How about that?

What is her tweet? I don't know what the hell she's tweeting. Fuck her. Bullshit. 28. Kim K. Bullshit. Artists grow beyond it all. 28. Kim K's at 28. Step your game up, Kim K.

Come on. Well, one of them has talent. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you can't be mad at Kim K, though. Zero talent, just killing the game. Yep. I mean, if I had kids, I don't know. Killing the game?

What game is that? The game of reality? Blow out ass son. Who's this ass? Okay wearing a diaper. Oh, you have respect for she's got a diaper on to respect I respect for her mom and the family. Oh For this is that really is Bruce Jenner really turning into a check 100% When you look at that, right? It's like this is tabloid shit. This can't be real.

You know what, though? I saw one of those daughters. This was like a year ago. We always do that. One of those daughters' Instagrams. Hey, we're talking over each other again. I know we're not listening to headsets. One of those daughters' Instagrams, they have a picture. picture i love my dad so much and he looks like her mom it is it is real it's totally so bruce jenner got in a car wreck and he had to tell the notify the police that

he's taking hormones to become a female and he's doing a uh thing on him following around his transition from male to female wow he had to tell the police and i think we have a lot of their like what's in your system online is a column trying to set it to its point uh... is one of the senate that way yeltsin and said it but that's how you said it does not give some store lots over here what's going on i'm feel emotional

you know how it is try to get a set of testsits up You probably fucking crazy, but he claims he's not gay. How crazy is that? No he likes women. He's a lesbian. Oh I Have a whole bit about it in my act. I can't do it right here though Oh shit look they're standing in front of each other Kevin Lee's talking shit because they're getting tired. Oh He's tired swinging. Well, Pizarro says he uses so much physical energy. Yeah, remember he's not going to swing in well preserves is to use is so much physical energy you remember it's in denver trial altitude of the southeast remember when elton john remember elton john didn't fully come out he came out halfway first he said he was by yes it ten years ago i can't i think it was like too much at once of like

i want to be a woman and i'm gay i think he's gonna tell people is gay in ten years i don't bridge and i just he want to be a woman and I'm gay. I think he's gonna tell people he's gay in ten years I don't Bruce Jenner just he wants to be a woman Kim K and the rest of families like dude This is ridiculous. I bet you starts dating guys. You're gonna start see him after a while. He's gonna get busted with a guy I defended that dude to man Boy was I off. I bet it was a conspiracy theory at first, right? It's only because- No way! Yes, he's gonna turn it. Callan came up with it.

Callan broke the news. Brian Callan broke the news. No way. How did he know? He had a friend who was painting the house. Callan's gonna kill me for telling the story. He had a friend for painting the house. But don't tell the story then.

Nah. Nah. That's how we work. We'll get over it. Nah. Nah. He had a friend who was painting their house. Don't say what he did. Just say working there. Working there. friend who was painting their house. Don't say what he did.

Just say working there. Working there. That guy's never painted another house. Yeah, man. He used to have a good account. Fuck, dude. He could go up to the Kardashian. Just think about what you're doing right now and don't do it.

Dude, the dude's going to be fun. You fucking threw the painter under the bus. Painters sign non-disclosure agreements to paint those kind of houses. Well, my bad. For real. My bad, painter. That guy could really get sued right now. That's true. Stop right now. But Callum right now but Calum might say what he knows either way

count that an inside source also known as a smidge it's too late don't do it go ahead the painters freaking he left town it's gone he's gone he doesn't have that gig anymore and then what happened soen, how did he know? He saw a wig? He saw a wig, saw like full man-sized dresses, all sorts of stuff, with his name on it. Man-sized dresses. With his dress on it. That sounds like the most unlikely story ever. Bruce Cheddar on his dress. No, no, bro.

On his dress. Bruce Cena. Callen went out for a drink with him is what happened. He might. What's his female name? Kevin Lee. Look at this. Kevin Lee, man. This pizarro's dude's

getting tired and kevin lee's not kevin lee's all over him man he hit him with some sick elbows to the head of the clinch too he's all right look at him he's just do you think he'll take on a new name he's not not hurt, but he's done. His lungs are dying. He's just giving up right now. Do you think that Bruce Jenner will take on a new name? Hell no. Hey, could there be a more manly name than Bruce?

Oh, no kidding. Than Bruce? It's like the gay name. It's like the gay name. It is just gangster, Bruce. Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee is not gay. Bruce Lee's not gay? No, he's definitely not. He Lee is not gay. Bruce Lee is not gay?

No, he's definitely not. He's certainly not. Certainly everyone got all serious. Hell no. Hell no, man. Don't you Bruce Lee. Look at this. He's going for that leg lock. Hell no.

Shit no. He's going for that leg lock with the legs crossed. Oh, shit. Kevin Lee is trying to fire a real naked choke. Look at this. This is crazy. Crushing that jaw right now. He's got this dude's back because Pizarro's got tired. He's going to do it. It's over. The round's over. Oh. Damn at this. This is crazy. Crushing that jaw right now. He's got this dude's back because Pizarro's got tired. He's gonna

do it. Oh, damn, man. No way the Brazilian won, right? Oh, is that guy Brazilian? Yeah. He just ended the fight on that note, man. Dude, that guy is tired as fuck. He looks like Victor Hall. He's muscular.

Yeah, he's tired as fuck. Yeah, you would think that if he does transition to be a woman, he's going to want to change his name. He's not going to stick with Bruce. I mean, what do you do, man? Everyone knows you're fucking Bruce. You change your name. Nah. Yeah, man.

Girls do that all the time when they become a woman. When they used to be a man and they get a sex change. I mean, I have no idea. It must be kind of fun picking a whole new name. You know, it's hilarious once someone has Transitioned you're not even supposed to say they used to be a man You're supposed to say they were always a woman Like because they're a woman in their mind and it's cruel to say that they're one time a man Even if they're one time man the unit there are a man like it's wrong to state reality that they had a penis the function as a man even had sex with women and had

babies except ten that never happened to die in a conversation with this woman and she dot twitter and she actually said that i go so she he wasn't a man when he had sex with a woman and got her pregnant he was a man she was no not even then i'm like okay i think we're done yeah i think well this conversation's this conversation just to the left turn down la la land like what does that mean a woman fucked a woman and got her

pregnant is that what you're saying well it's just a woman physically but in reality he was a dude that fucked the woman she's just saying he felt like a woman even though he's fucking a woman as a man. You know what the problem with that kind of logic is? If that's the case, if you're already a woman and you have a penis, keep your goddamn penis. Keep your balls. Your body will work better. This idea that you're already a woman. If you are already a woman, why are you getting the sex change then?

You're not already a woman. You were a man at one point in time. You're not helping anybody by twisting the reality of the situation. You're just making it more confusing and harder for people to accept.

I wonder what's tougher to go from being a man to a woman or woman to man. I would say that dick's going to be challenging. I want to see a fake dick to a man.

It's like impossible. Because they build dicks out of the inside of pussies. What does that look like? Can you pull that up, Jamie? Can you pull that up, Jamie? Can we get some... They make dicks out of the inside of pussies. What does that look like? Can you pull that up Jamie? Can you pull that up Jamie? Can we get some? They make dicks out of the inside of pussies? Are you trying to get a virus out? They put something in there.

I don't want to see it. I think they use fake dicks. I think they use fake thumbs. Alright my man. I know one of them. Yeah, where's that opener? I know one of them. I saw that opener um i know one of them um i saw this this lady grew a dick on her arm i'm not mad at that at all like those rabbits with the ears they grew it they stretched the skin out on her arm and created a fake penis when so when she was transitioning

becoming a man i take a drink of his beer, right? And he's looking at you talking, but I was waiting for him to look at me, at my reaction. Because I know in his peripheral, he saw it, and he looked at me and went... Well, what the fuck? It's pretty good. Eddie's not a beer guy, though. It all tastes the same to me.

Yeah, I'm more of a beer guy. I couldn't tell the difference between Miller Lite and Coors Lite or anything like that. Does Kevin Lee get it? That skin grafting shit. Damn, his corner man had some locks and a pierced lip. Whoa. Look at Rick James.

He's in a lot better shape than last time I saw him. Kevin Lee up in this bitch. He got leather pants on, Rick James does. They might be leather. Holy mother. Dude, look at his belt buckle. I saw him. Kevin Lee up in this bitch. He got leather pants on, Rick James does. They might be leather. Holy mother... Dude, look at his belt buckle. They might be plastic. God bless him.

Damn, he's stealing the show. That's Milli Vanilli. He's stealing the show. I don't know which one it is, Milli or Vanilli. Oh, he's a Denver boy. That's why he's got such wicked cardio, man. He's used to that altitude up there. Yeah.

If you're not used to altitude, that shit tortures you. You ever seen Mark Hunt versus Ben Rothwell at altitude? Yeah, ridiculous. I asked Joe Silva to fight in Denver. He's like, we're never having another heavyweight fight in Denver. But they did, though. They had it even crazier. They had a heavyweight fight in Mexico City, which is pollution and higher altitude.

And Mark Hunt again. And Marc Hunt came in like the day before. He didn't even have any altitude training. He came in with his sandals and nobody in his court. He just walked and he's like, I'm here. Yeah, people were worried that he wasn't going to be able to make the 265. Said he was like

310 when he got the collar or some shit. 310, 510. Is he even 510? He's probably 5'9". Cutting weight to make 265. Kevin Lee's good, man. You put that dude's voice with his body, and they just don't, there's no collusion there at all.

You're like, how does Mark Hunt sound like an English gentleman? Yeah, right? Goddamn. Hey, there's that dick shot that you wanted, Eddie. You want those dick pics? Can you put it up on the screen? What was that? An artificial dick?

Like a transgender dick? But they grew it on his forearm, right? That dick you put on. Why do they put it on the arm? They put it back on his arm to get the blood supply. Keep that shit fresh. To keep it healthy. Why don't they just put it back where the dick is?

I got a lot of blood flow down there. Gotta wait. Gotta wait. Can you find a transgender dick? No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. There's probably guys out there that, like, that's how they get off is by pulling their shit up.

We're going to eat steak after this, man. We can't do this. There's only so much meat tonight. Daniel Kelly versus Patrick Walsh. Middleweights next. There's so many fighters in the UFC that I've never seen fight now. Did Jeffrey Dahmer eat his victim's cocks? Lots of parts of them, I think.

I think he ate one. I think he ate one dick. He had to eat a lot. That must have been the main course. Their dick. He's going to bone them. He's going to chop them up and eat them. Why ignore the dick now?

It's too fatty. That must be the main course. Hey, look at this. Fatty. For health reasons. Turn this up, Jamie. I want to hear what he's saying. Oh, my God.

What is he doing with fire? He does these, like, nunchucks fire thing. What do you mean? He does a nunchucks fire thing? He puts it on fire and does a whole show with it. When? Just on his own, when the fuck he wants. No, not like when he goes into the octagon.

No, he used to, though. He used to be a huge raver. And so he's fought in this arena probably ten times. This is where all our fights were in Denver before we were in the UFC. And he would come out with those flame things walking out to the cage. No way. And then just destroy some poor kid. Yeah.

They let him come out like that? Yeah, Doug. Wow. That seems like dangerous, right? You could slip and light people on fire. That shit was dope. It was like a Vegas show. It was like a Vegas show.

And he'd walk to the octagon, beat the shit out of someone. Was he really that good at it? Yeah, he's dope at it. Whoa. Like circus performer type. Yeah, he's really good at it. So Thatch was always the kid in the gym where we were like, damn, if this kid ever got his shit together, he's going to be a monster. But he was always at raves, and he didn't believe in jiu-jitsu and wrestling, and he just kept knocking dudes out.

And then finally finally he got with leister bowling art the head wrestling coach there and all he's been doing is wrestling and he's a fucking nightmare now nightmare man here's a funny story about thatch we used to i got brandon thatch cody donovan who finally you've seen myself we all work night security at a uh after hours uh nightclub. So it was the three of us were security guards. And we used to dress up like assholes. We had like, it was basically like shitty tuxedos.

It was the three of us. Nothing ever happened. Then the one time something happened, the boss came up to us and was like, yo, man, there's this Russian dude on the dance floor. He has a gun, big-ass gun. He's dancing with these chicks, man. You guys got to go handle this. So I was like the head guy with i had like an airpiece in like an asshole so i got brandon thatch and cody donovan i'm like yo man listen here's the deal finally we got some action i was

like there's this russian dude you see that big ass russian dude down there i'm like they want us to kick this this dude out and he has a gun and i'm like thatch is like what the fuck he's like bro we don't get paid shit i'm like i know i realize that so listen here's the plan i said here's the plan i said i'm gonna walk up to this dude i'm gonna be like yo man you gotta get out of here i was like cody cody at the time was big as fuck and he's a black belt in jujitsu i'm like you're gonna grab him this is if he puts up any fucking kind of fight like cody you're gonna grab him thatch he's just a nasty ass kickboxer like you're gonna kick him thatch he's just a nasty ass kickboxer like you're gonna kick him in the head i'm gonna take him out man you know we didn't know the rules

we didn't know nothing right we're nervous as fuck everyone's so nervous i'm sweating i'm like fuck this job this is my last day man so i'm like all right we even like said a prayer no one's really religious but we all did kind of said a prayer oh my god i go up to the dude yeah right you should have left that part i know right no no no no no everyone's scared that makes it way better sweating i go up to the dude so nervous i'm all hey my man you hey my man i'm gonna have to ask you to leave we see the gun on you and cody's behind like knuckle like grip and the guy goes what i go bro you're gonna have to leave man we saw the gun and you and we don't want any issues.

He goes, no problem. Okay, cool, man. Everyone's ready to go. He's like, no problem. Just walks out. That's it. I wish I had a cooler story for you, but he was like, cool. And just bounced. We probably worked another week there. That would have been even more terrifying

because that sounds like a real goddamn professional. He did not give a fuck. Yeah, I mean, he's probably a dude who's been shooting people since the eighth grade. And he's like, oh, yeah, I know I got to leave now. I don't want to go to jail again. Big dude. I got a job later tonight, actually. I'm going to need this gun, so I'm just going to go.

Fuck, man. That's crazy. We actually quit because I talked all the guys into working there. But we would get out at like 4 or 5 in the morning. So we thought we could work at night, train during the day. But we'd be up. We wouldn't get home like 5 a.m. We'd practice to be at like 10 a.m.

Oh, my God. We'd go there and just get dismantled. Yeah, you're exhausted. Yeah. And that was the glory days when we had Rashad Evans, Nate Marquardt, Shane Carwin, Keith Jardine, all those monsters. All of them. George St. Pierre. Everyone was at our camp.

You can't have five hours sleep and show up for that shit. Now what?. George St. Pierre. Everyone was at our camp. You can't have five hours sleep and show up for that shit. Now what? Five hours doing some shady drugs and shit? Not good, man. Fighting Russians. Making $4 an hour. Russian dudes with guns. Daniel Kelly looks Irish to me.

Where is he from? Texas. Texas? Where is he from? Texas can I Do the Joey voice with an iris accent is that possible? I'd have to work on that I wouldn't want to respect the art. Yeah, that's a tough one. I Don't realize so funny Joey Diaz is man. You've always told me we had him on our show. Oh Fucking beast. There's nobody like him. No one, right? How old is this dude?

Joey? What are you talking about? The fights? I have no idea. Four-time Olympian. And what, wrestling? No, judo. This guy? No, the judo. This guy? No. This guy?

Daniel Kelly. Judo Olympian? Four-time judo Olympian. Four-time judo Olympian. Nobody can hear you. There's not a microphone on you, so when you're talking, it becomes an issue. It's all right. I mean, you've got to step up to it. You it you gotta be able to do that four-time olympian

damn that girl's hot super hot she's australian too she's like a chick that was in uh the wolf of wall street she's so bad stupid hot stupid it's frustrating interracial going down her and will smith Kapow, America. The blackening has begun. This is a cat woman? Yeah. You got the Joker in this. I might watch it.

Is this a new... Is this a TV show? What is this? Gotham, son. Gotham's most sinister. I don't know. I don't know about it. Well,'t know. I don't know about it. Well, as long as you don't know about it.

No, I've been seeing commercials for it. Gotham, Fall By Sleepy Hollow. Is this like a prequel? Or a prequel? Prequel. I'll give any Batman thing a shot. Bigfoot versus Mare. Barboza versus Johnson is the fight on that fucking card. That's a wicked fight a great fight

What Michael Johnson's been out for a bit right? Do you get injured? I think yeah, he got injured right? He got injured any lot. He lost his last one correct. I don't know pretty sure any got injured Yeah, I know he was on a roll. Yeah, and they lost one And we're shot got hurt again. You see that yeah His knee didn't ACL they said it didn't accept the ACL or something like that. I don't know why that happens. I would like to talk to a surgeon about what is the issue with ACLs. With a lot of UFC fighters in particular, the grafts blow or they don't work.

Well, a lot of times they use some parts from a cadaver, right? Yeah. Well, that's the ones that don't accept sometimes. Yeah, sometimes the body rejects it. I don't think they know. I think it depends on the body, correct? So just like some people it works on, some people it doesn't. Some people it takes, some it doesn't.

Just like Dominic Cruz, right? But there's also people that, like, they don't give it enough time, and they're already training, and they blow it out again. That does happen. For sure. I think Ed Herman did did that i think other guys have done that too you know you don't know like when they say your body rejected it are you sure i mean i don't know exactly what's going on because what happens when you do a um a cadaver

apparently is that it's like a scaffolding and so it's not that cadaver graft that actually becomes your ACL. It's like that ACL allows your body to proliferate new tissue into it until it becomes solid again. But you don't really take the tissue. It doesn't stay forever. You know what I'm saying? The cadaver graft, apparently, as it's been explained to me, it just acts as a place for your own tissue to grow into it. It's like a delivery system for your tissue to connect. Yeah, sort of like a little bridge. And so the tendons will grow again?

Yeah. Well, you sort of use, it grows in that graft. Yeah. How long ago did he have the surgery? I don't know. I mean, Dominic Cruz, I think he did it like nine months after the first surgery. He blew it out. And then now he blew it out.

When he blew it out, he got a surgery, was rehabbing, was training, blew it out and then now he blew it out when he blew it out He got a surgery was rehabbing was training blew it out again, and then he had to go through a whole new surgery So you know that's why he was out for almost three years then he just blew out his right knee With a 10 it wasn't properly like, the new one is a totally new injury. It's the other leg. Is he doing a triple like that? Like the psychic injury that's there? Like he's going to be nervous every shot he takes, every time he turns a corner.

Like that can fuck a dude up. Yeah, it could. But he bounced back better than ever. And a three-year layoff? Yeah. It's like dudes are moving at light speed. You know what I mean? The evolution of the sport is so fast.

He fucked Mitsugaki up, though, man. Destroyed him. His style, his footwork, man. You need those knees. Yeah. To be that quick and change those directions the way he does. Or he's going to have to adapt. I'll tell you what, though.

The thing about Don McCruise, though, he's a beast as far as being an analyst. On UFC Tonight, he's a beast. He is a gift, man. He's really, really good a gift man he's really really good at that he's got the glasses now too yeah he did he's really very studious very studious all right are they both from the show or just this guy they said both my boy Kelly's stone cold 37 just trying to do this one was 185 37 wow let's do this you got to be around a while before it's on Olympia yeah you're not gonna be a young chicken

they said why he's 37 yeah 37 and 29 that's a beautiful beard, Tom Johnson. I know how it's like that. Is she going to do the heart again? Raise the roof. She raised the roof. Oh, she did a different one. She's switching it up. Did she talk to other Octagon girls? She heard you. Check this out.

I got some new shit for that ass. I'm not like those refs that just stick with the same old one. I switch it up. She's going to try it, and she's going to watch the tapes later and see which one was best. I think she's going to get clowned for raise the roof. That's some old school shit. Dana's going to talk to her for that. Dana's gonna bring that beat back.

Bring that beat back. Dana's gonna be like, step in my office, you're fucking fired for raise the roof. Craig Borsari's gonna text her tonight, watch. Look at him, he's laughing at him. Oh, he hit him with a right hand there, dude. He hit him with a little short right hook there. That right hand is low, son. Well, he's catching with that weird right hook over the top.

He's caught him like three times with that. Look at that, dude. I think my boy Kelly's trying to get a hold of him to take him for a cruise. Yeah, but Kelly's eating some leather, man. Yeah, he is. He's getting fucked up. This guy in the red doesn't give a fuck. He's laughing at him, dude.

That's got to fuck with your head a little bit. Yeah, it does. I feel like that dude in the red has knocked a lot of dudes in the bar out. He's got a weird right hook, man. He's very confident. Yep. Oh, dude. He's putting hammers on him.

He's fucking that dude up. Kelly's, like, real tentative with his shooting. Like, look at the way he's throwing the punches. He's halfway getting there. This guy's just target practicing. He's keeping the same distance until he pops back a half a step and stays there and gets hit. Oh, right there.

Bam. Exactly. Kelly's leaning on that front leg a lot. Dude, Kelly's getting lit up. Kelly might be what you call stiff. Oh, Jesus. Luis is he stiff? Looks like the game plan is to stand him up.

You see the Melvin Manhoof fight last night? Oh, my God. Sheminko, right? Sheminko or some shit like that? That spinning. Nasty. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, my God. He forearmed him. That was nasty. Nobody's been knocked out more in the last two years than Melvin Manhoff. It's insane. I think he came back too soon, man. He just got knocked out by Joe Schilling. Dude, Joe Schilling put him to slizzy sleep just a couple months ago.

To slizzy. You know, those two guys, they brought a beautiful fight, though, man. Oh, yeah. One of them was going to go in that round. But, yeah, he came back too soon. And then guys aren't doing any kind of health care for their brains to come back and increase their recovery time

or their speed or their timing or anything. Ben, didn't you fight for Bellator? Oh, Walsh got wobbled. Look at this. You fought for Bellator, right? Yeah, I was with them for almost three years. Did you see that? Kelly caught Walsh. What's the biggest difference between them and the UFC as far as production-wise?

Is it a big difference or no? Production? Put up on that mic. Get on the mic. You know what I'm saying? You fly in the UFC, it's like fucking clockwork. Burt has it down to the science. You fly in on Tuesday, you're signing posters.

You got interviews Wednesday, Thursday, Wednesday, Friday, show Saturday. Bellator's like that? I think they were a little rocky on some of that because the tournaments were happening so fast that I don't even think they had planned out what they were going to do as far as where's the venue, where's the next location. That's obviously a process, and I think sometimes it was like just making it you know yeah just making it happen but they've stepped their game up

yeah you know I'm a camera still killing cats man I was always watching when you fight no thank you thank you it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with Bellator with all that Viacom money. Coker's no joke either, man. He obviously does something right. And he's way better than anybody else out there. I saw he has Fedor at his signing.

Yeah. Shit. Is he the Dana White of Bellator? Yeah. He's the same position? Yeah. He used to work for the UFC, and they had a no-compete. And then when he left the UFC, he's free to do whatever the fuck he wants,

so then he signed the Bellator. Yeah, well, it's good for everybody because the UFC likes him. He's a good dude. Fighters like him. It'll be a way more comfortable environment over there, and maybe they'll get some good fights. And I think it's good. I think competition is very important for the athletes.

I think it's the most important thing when it comes to bargaining power so all it's gonna do is force everybody to step their game up and Ultimately, I believe it'll make MMA more popular and that's the key. The key is making it more popular making it to the point where everybody makes a lot of money and it's really close to becoming that and The way it's gonna become that is if there's a bunch of fucking players and it's really close to becoming that. And the way it's going to become that is if there's a bunch of fucking players, and everybody's like, you know, I'll give you X for a fight. Well, I'll give you Y. All right, we got Z.

Come here. We got Z. Sign right here. Damn, you lucky bitch. You know, like that's how it's got to be. That's the only way the money gets tossed around adequately. You know, it's like you need competition. It's the only way the talent pool gets bigger, too, is if you have a lot of different varieties.

Guys can come up here. They can come up there. But if you only have this one place where a guy's got to come up on the tough show and then he's got to, or whatever your thing is. It's like having the NFL with one team. Right. You know, the teams compete with each other. They're like, they can come to our team and we'll give you this much money.

Yep. In all ways of evolution it's got to be like that yeah it's it is it's just how it is man it's just how it is with with everything man you need competition it's good it makes everybody better that's the thing the problem with competition people get scared of the competition when competition is the best goddamn thing that could happen to you really i mean it's the it's the fundamental thing it doesn't mean anybody's mad at you it doesn't mean any that. It means everybody's going to get better together. Like, without that, you don't have anything.

Not only that, you don't cancel each other out. And didn't you get into this because you're a fan of fighting in the first place? What, is someone making money somehow or another? You're not making money? Is that really what's going on? Because I don't think it is. I think someone's making money, and you're making money, too. From a fighter standpoint, competition's great.

If you're Dana White, I don't think. It makes everybody more money. I really believe so. I believe everybody gets more money if the sport gets more popular. I think if you've got two giant promotions, if you've got one, say, Floyd Mayweather promotion and one Manny Pacquiao promotion and everybody on one side, you bring

them together and you make fucking 1.5 million pay-per-view buys like those guys will probably do. I mean, that's how everybody gets money. I mean, you're giving 1.5 million pay-per-view buys like those guys will probably do. I mean, that's how everybody gets money. I mean, you're giving up. But think about that. That's like each one is $750, right?

How often do pay-per-views in the UFC hit $750? They don't that often. If it's not George St. Pierre, if it's not Brock Lesnar, it's hard to get those big numbers because times are hard. People don't want to pony up that kind of money on a regular basis. What are the three biggest pay-per-views? We're watching this fight for free. UFC.

The three biggest pay-per-views. Bellator and UFC, that's it. Everything else is like their feeder organizations. You're saying which UFC biggest pay-per-views? The top three UFCs ever. Brock Lesnar was number one. Number one? Yes, Brock Lesnar was number one.

Yeah, Brock Lesnar was number one. We've never had a Brock Lesnar. He fucking killed the game. Really? close that's that WWE not even Anderson Silver GSP could top well GSP GSP what show was it what show was it it was Brock Lesnar versus Randy Couture how about when he fought Randy Couture for the title that had to be Frank Mayer the second that had to be the biggest one UFC 100 was when you see what he finds yeah yeah yeah you just want rocks the biggest star so isn't he coming back is he what's gonna solve what's a talk but I don't know you know there's all sorts of talk but I you know I heard a lot of talk about the Toronto he's yeah we

can't talk over each other listen in there's no way this is gonna work my back if we were listed on headphones this would be better, but I want to avoid the headphones. We just got to be careful with that shit. I think you guys are all doing great. What were you saying about Gina Carano, though? Oh, Gina Carano was supposed to come back. I mean, that was the talk. I kept hearing it.

I heard it from, like, agents. I heard, like, there was negotiations. I heard a lot of shit, and then nothing happened. So you don't know. I don't think the Brock Lesnar thing has gotten that far, but all I'm hearing is rumors. Everybody's tight-lipped. But, you know, you're hearing people saying that Brock's been training,

that he's losing weight, he's slimming down. I took some heat. I took some heat. People thought I called Brock Lesnar out, and I didn't. Not even close. Yeah, what happened with that? I sent you a text with that. Yeah.

This is what happened. This is old, too. Six months ago, I did an interview with the UFC. It was 20 questions. One was like, would you prefer ketchup or mustard? This is what kind of bullshit we're talking about. 20 questions. Ketchup or mustard?

I said, anyone who says mustard is part of ISIS. Every American is going to choose fucking ketchup. You know, like, joking around. Then question number 15 goes, who would you rather see come back, GSP or Brock Lesnar? I said, oh, well, GSP's my boy. I'd love if GSP came back. But being a heavyweight, I'd love if Brock Lesnar came back.

He's the biggest star we've ever had. And they go, oh, would you like to fight him? I went, well, yeah, he's the biggest star ever. That'd be great if he came back. Yeah, I'd fight him. That's it. Six months later. What about you saying about sending him go back to playing

grab ass? Well, that's just me making a joke. I go, yeah, if he wants to come to the UFC and he's tired of playing grab ass in the WWE, getting paid to fake fight and he wants to come back to the UFC, I'd love to fight him. So you gotta hear it too instead of seeing it written, right? For sure. It looks horrible. Dude, that bullshit when they write it out,

I'm like, that's my friend. That's not what they meant man like that was six months ago then you'll see the night like whatever four or five weeks ago goes brendan shop calls out brock lesnar first of all he's retired i never called him out they just needed content so then the brock lesnar train is crazy man his fans came after me like fucking crazy hurt my feelings i had to put a statement out it's like yo man come on take it easy fuck sakes how many misspelled tweets did you get dude i'd never seen hate like when i was shitting on like tony hinchcliffe is a crazy pro wrestling fan and so when he was on the podcast, mostly just to rile him up, I was just shitting on pro wrestling.

Yeah. Just dumping on her. And the tsunami of poorly written tweets that came my way was like, what is this? I had to like get my head above water and try to figure out what all these... They're not kids either.

Extra words are... They're not kids either. Letters that are in the wrong place. I love the way Ari would deal with hate mail. I was with him one night and he's just going through it. Every time the guy would send him something, he would just send him the corrections of the previous thing.

You're getting way better. Nice punctuation. And it was just this whole fucking list of corrections of his. In like a scripted email? No, no. like the dude saying, you suck, spelled with two K's. Like Facebook? Bro, I had grown

men coming at me. You're 50 defending the WWE. I tell you what, Brock Lesnar's America. You shit on Brock Lesnar, you're shitting on America. He's the champion. When he would fight and all the wrestlers, they would all come out. They would all come out and watch him.

There's a whole front line of them. They're like, yeah, like Stone Cold and Goldberg and all those guys are there. Brock's a monster, man. He's a beast. He's great for the sport. It'd be great if he came back. Well, I really still to this day. Oh, nice left hand by Kelly.

I still to this day think that if Brock Lesnar did it the right way, like if Brock Lesnar went and instead of doing WWE for all those years and not striking and then going into the UFC and immediately fighting the best guys in the world after one professional fight, if they took Brock Lesnar and brought him to like an American top team, like one of those professional camps or Black Zillions or, or, you know, AKA, something like that, where they're going to take you, and they're going to take you through every step of the way.

Like Matt Hume would have been the guy. I'd get a guy like Eric Paulson, essentially did what he could when he had him, but I think a guy like Brock Lesnar should have been brought along slowly. He's got the potential to be the biggest heavyweight ever. I mean, I know he did. He did a lot of that. But I'm saying do it over years.

The other thing is how difficult it is to get training for a guy of that skill set and that size. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like you almost need to condition him and get him tighter before you would train with a guy like that. Well, first of all, his issue is striking. There's a lot of big guys in Holland. You go down to Holland and spar with Daniel Gita all day, you're going to learn some shit. Not only that, you can just do mitts.

I'm a real believer in if you already spar a lot, then great, you know you're tough already. There's no need to do that twice a week. Go ahead and hit mitts. Get a good trainer, hit mitts all the time. Your fucking timing will be there and all that stuff. Put that shit together. We already know you're not afraid to get hit. Awesome.

You know, that's the best way to do it, I think. Well, I think that guys who are going to take you like Dwayne Ludwig style through drills that simulate each individual position that you're going to be in. This is your response to that position. This is how you get back. You know, this is your setup again. You know, you're like Rob Kamen was really good about that. Yeah, Rob. And Brendan Vera, when he first started training with Rob Kamen, like you saw like Rob Kamen's system in Brendan when he was fighting. Yep.

Him, Dwayne, I think Six-Gun Gibson, and Mike Winklejohn. Like Brendan Gibson, man, he's phenomenal. You see the video he did with the elbows with Condit recently? Beautiful. I mean, he's so innovative, and he's so thoughtful about it. And all he's got is love and care for those guys, and then he puts that into them, and he puts the routines together. Man, they're fucking fantastic.

Yeah, there's a lot of good trainers out there, man. You know, there's a lot of guys out there that are, you know, showing guys some real high-level stuff. And you're seeing, like, striking combinations, especially, like, if you look at, like, T. like TJ Dillashaw versus Hennon Burrell like when was fucking last time we ever saw a guy go from being TJ Dillashaw on the ultimate fighter to what two and a half three years later being this super fluid bad motherfucker kickboxer I mean you look at him moving around shuffling switching

stances like popping them with straight laughss from the fucking southpaw stance and then hitting him with an inside leg kick and you're like whoa this is literally not the same dude like that he was three years ago and you're gonna see more and more of that how about your boy duke rufus with cm punk dude first of all duke rufus did a great job with tyron woodley woodley settled down he didn't empty his gas tank in his last fight. With Kelvin? With Kelvin Gastelum. Yeah, you like that one? It was a good fight. I mean, it wasn't the worst fight in the world.

It was a good fight. Woodley broke his foot in the first round. You know that? Broke his fucking foot in the first round. You never knew it. He just moved around like nothing. But what I liked about it is he showed patience in that fight like you've seen him in fights before where explodes and he empties the gas tank in

the first round and then he has a hard time in the second and third like he was way more patient like you could almost see Duke you know in Duke style like influencing him slightly how do you think CM Punk's gonna do I don't think we have any idea I don't think we have any idea. I don't think we have any idea. If I watch the guy do anything other than throw some kicks, which is all I've ever seen, I saw him throw some kicks and I'm hoping with every fiber of my being that he was just playing around and that he actually kicks better than that because there's like some backstage WWE thing where he's throwing roundhouse kicks on like a wrestling mat.

And I don't understand it. I mean, it's either he was playing around. Maybe that's a good thing, though. Or he just started doing karate like a week ago. Or you don't understand it and he's going to mystify people. Well, or he's just fucking around because he's a showman. And that's, you know, when he's doing those things backstage, he's not trying to show everybody he's the ultimate badass. He's being an entertainer.

Is there any word on who he's going to fight? No word. Nor is there a word on a timetable, like when he's going to fight. You know what? They did have an opponent for him, the guy who fought Mickey Warglass. Eddie Bravo gives it away in his face. As soon as he said the guy who fought, I know him so well, I can see the laugh being suppressed.

You think it's good for the sport, Joe? CM Punk? No. I mean, if we're going to sign CM Punk. This is what I think. I don't think it's good for the sport just if he goes in there and he fights and people watch because he's famous. I think people will pay attention.

But it's not necessarily good for the sport if they're just paying attention because he's CM Punk. However, I think it is good for the sport if he truly has a real desire to become a professional mixed martial arts fighter. This isn't just a money-making scam. This isn't just a publicity scam. This isn't just a one-time thing. This is a guy who at X age, 36 or whatever it is, has decided, you know what? I want a new chapter in my life.

And that new chapter is I want to try my hand 100% committed to professional fighting. I think that's what he's doing. Then it's good. But it's only good if he's got talent. He's got no time frame to get that skill set. Yeah, we don't know. We literally don't know. No wrestling background. No striking background. He doesn't even't know. We don't. We literally don't know. No wrestling background.

No striking background. No competition background. He has no background. Doesn't even know if he likes to compete. Right. Impossible. There's no way he's got enough time. He does jiu-jitsu.

But we might as well sign fucking George Clooney if he likes to. Has he been to the Pan Ams? Does he even know if he likes to go through a key of eight guys that he's going to have to compete? No, no. When I say he does jiu-jitsu, he was doing jiu-jitsu on the road because Henard is married to Eve Torres, who is the WWE Diva Champion. So he was on the road because Henner is married to Eve Torres who's the WWE Diva champion so he was on the road with Eve all the time

So CM Punk and Henner would work you know once a month together. So you're doing pretend Once a month On the fucking floor. Depends what you're on. Here's an on-board and check this choke out. It's like, fuck yeah. You know when you

show a girl something you're dating and you show her a triangle just so she can get her next boyfriend in a triangle and you just like piss on her,

you know what I mean? And then they think they know jujitsu. It is Valentine's Day. They think they know jujitsu. Hey bro, it's Valentine's Day. I know jujitsu.

You know what a triangle is? You don't know what a triangle is. And then, and then. They think they know Jiu Jitsu. It's Valentine's Day. I know Jiu Jitsu. You know what a triangle is? A bitch, you don't know what a triangle is. And then, and then. No, you don't know. My ex-boyfriend taught me Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, I'm going to put you in a fucking triangle. I remember I showed my ex-girlfriend a long time ago a triangle, and she was so obsessed with it.

We were just lying in bed. I'm trying to watch Howard Stern on E, and she was trying to put me in a triangle. I'm like, fucking God, can you stop? Can you stop? And she's like, ah, she's laughing. I'm like, I'm really trying to watch Howard Stern on E and she's trying to put me in a triangle I'm like fucking god can you stop can you stop it's like she's laughing I'm really trying to watch this fucking show and she's like ah she's trying to get me the fucking triangle and she puts me a triangle I go you're gonna start crying you are definitely gonna start crying she's giggling so I fucking you know I defend like you know so she puts me in a triangle. And I said, you are going to start crying.

So I picked her up. I stood up just like a Rona Rampage. And I picked her up. And I was going to slam her on the bed. It wasn't going to hurt her. It's the fucking bed. Can't be good. So I slammed her on the bed.

Eddie, you're not a doctor. On the bed. On the bed. So I picked her up. Slammed her on the bed. You might want to stop this right now. She let doctor. On the bed. So I picked her up, slammed her on the bed. You might want to stop this right now. She let go of the triangle, but she bounced off the bed

and landed on the floor and she tweaked her wrist and she starts crying. She runs to the bathroom and I'm like, oh my god. So I stroll in and I said, I told you you were going to start crying. And she has hot water running over her wrist. You didn't have to rampage at all, bro. And I'm like, oh, my God. So I like stroll in. I said, I told you you were going to start crying. And she has hot water running over her wrist. You didn't have to rampage it, though, bro.

Jesus Christ, dude. And I said, let's go to the emergency room right now. She goes, I go, come on. It's probably broken. She goes, no, it's not broken. It's not. So I'm like, OK. I said, I'm just trying to watch something.

The awful strategy. Because I'm watching Howard Stern trying to learn. The awful strategy, though. OK, let's go cut it off. Yes. Let's get it removed. Yeah. No, no, no. It's good. It's learn. Profile strategy, though. Okay, let's go cut it off. Yes. Let's get it removed. Yeah. No, no, no, it's good.

It's good. She would always exaggerate. I told her to stop with the fucking triangle. I'm trying to watch TV. He's like, no, imagine if there's a fire hydrant behind you. Stop with the triangle. What if that would have went to court as a domestic violence dispute? What if that would have...

Right now, you just fucked up. That's what I'm saying. Talked about it on the internet. That chick's going to come out of the woodwork 15 years ago I was a purple belt what did I know timeline do not give a timeline out don't say when it happens to hoist I think you meant 20 years ago. I never hit her. I just used triangle escape. Wow, that seems weird. Well, we weren't paying attention. He didn't win any fans. He landed more strikes.

Did he? Yeah, 121 to 89. You know what, man? How they count that, I would like to see. Well, that's true. You're right. How about that's the move of the fight? The move of the fight is a half a jab to the face.

The move of the fight. The move of the fight is him getting hit. What? That was amazing. That was a tricky punch. Well, we don't know what happened in that fight. Honestly, we really weren't watching that fight. No, definitely not.

We watched some key moments in the beginning where he was getting hit by right hooks. Tate, look. That's part of his success. You could use that for an argument. You know what? They're stomping grounds. All right. Eddie's a-looking. He's a-liking. Damn, man. Eddie's a-looking. He's a-liking. You know what? They're stomping grounds. All right. Eddie's a-looking.

He's a-liking. Damn, Ryan. Eddie's a-looking. He's a-liking. You know what? She might be pretty good. All right. Okay.

It makes the fight more interesting now. One of her fights, there's a clip of her. When she won, she screamed. And it's this fucking primal roar that it's like it's one of the craziest screams I've ever heard come out of a woman's mouth. Can we find that? I bet if you just Google Kat Zingano scream. Watch, I'll find it right here. He's like, shut the fuck up.

I don't take orders from you. That's what Red Bad used to do when I would say that. He wouldn't do shit. I'd go, Red Bad, find that video. He wouldn't move. He'd just ignored me without listening to joe that's hilarious

fuck that eddie guy this cat zingano smacks a drunk guy cat zingano scream scream Kat Zingano scream. 2010. I'm trying to find the word. Scream. I'm not motivated enough to look for it. Oh, my God. You're the one who brought it up.

It was amazing. There's no way I'm going to find it. You got me interested, man. It worked. I'm just talking about an instance after a fight where she screamed. I'm not going to watch the end of every one of her fights. Okay. Maybe it's just like a 15 second clip. It probably is.

It's just not on YouTube as Kat Zingano screamed yet. Maybe it'll be now after this. It will be after this. Someone will probably hear it. Somehow I have faith that Jamie's going to find that motherfucking screen. I have faith he's not. I have faith that he is. Look at him. He's on it right now. He's on Yahoo search.

I don't remember who it was, man. It might have been Emmanuel Nunez, who was her last fight, but when she won, she fucking roared. What if it wasn't? What if she just went, ah? She roared like an animal. Then why not? No, it was like she's an animal.

It was like primal. Damn powerful Kate Hudson. Are those real? Girls talk shit about her. It's hilarious. Why? They go, oh, she's got a thick waist. She's kind of fat. Oh, she's kind of fat. hudson others are not shit about her it's hilarious why they go out to get a thick

weight she's kind of fat that's what guys like we like girls a little bit fat not with the hips to waist ratio shut the fuck and i know you're right she was in a way that i was the third day hollywood but you little boy you can't dare you know i don't know that's a that's a that's a way to raise she's very it is really huge How dare you? No, no, no. That's true. Hip-to-waist ratio. She's very pretty. It is huge. She's a thick girl. I'm saying I learned it from you, Dad.

She's perfect. But, you know, if you're going to break it down for real, like, man, you look... She doesn't have a... Like them chicks. Right. Do you follow squat guides on IG? Just follow Brendan Schubb's Instagram. That's a different kind of ass.

You know what I mean? What's going on? We're talking about hip-to-ass ratio in girls? Oh, yeah. Yeah, just follow Brendan Schubb's... Oh, yeah. There you a different kind of ass, you know what I mean? What's going on? We're talking about hip to ass ratio in girls. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just follow Brendan Shubbs and go, oh, yeah, there you go. You're right, though. You're right. No, no, she's a little thick.

She's a little thick. I thought that you would automatically agree with me. No, I'm just fucking around. Kate Hudson got a little. Kate Hudson's boxy, son. Yeah, she's a little thick. It's like a straight line. It's not good.

No, she doesn't have, like, those sexy curves. She's boxy. Not sexy. That's a Justin, son. You don't think she's sexy? No, It's like a straight line. It's not good. No shouldn't have like those sexy curves. She's boxy not saying that's a just You don't think she's I know she's not sexy. She's pretty face big tessie. Oh Yeah, Kate Upton just some tig old biddies though tig old biddies. They're real too She is a boxy build though. I don't think she's that sexy You say they are real as if that's a good thing. Like a refrigerator. What? They're real big, and they're real.

Real doesn't seem to be like the... It's not the end thing anymore, is it? I don't feel like that's a benefit. You know what I mean? I'm like, they got a better way. I agree, man. I'm with you. You like fake asses, though? Not at all.

Not at all. Man, that's so bad. And you know the thing that I'm with you you like fake asses though not at all that's so bad and you know the thing that I'm mad about it is because the fucking legs are like little twig legs and then you've got this huge ridiculous ass

get your fucking life right girl do something different I don't know see cause if you're born with small titties there's nothing you can do physically to grow those titties get fake titties

your ass just do some squats for a couple years and watch what the fuck you eat all it's showing is that you're a couple years and watch what the fuck you eat. Any girl can reshape her body. Correct? I don't know, man. Some of it's genetics.

You can do all the squats you want. If you have a flat ass like Mr. Burns, you ain't getting a bubble butt. With the correct squats and samba? Zumba? Pay attention to it with nutrition, powerlifting, some shit, I think you could do it. Who's to say? I mean, if this bitch went ham on a CrossFit program, squats, and nutrition, I guess.

And just shot testosterone right into the glutes. Well, now you're talking. Directly. Directly. On each side, you alternate. That might do it. Ask the trainer, Doug. Right?

What do you think? If I bring a girl with a straight, flat-ass Mr mr.. Burn style you can give her a bubble, but yeah Cuz they there's different body types. You know there's like a girl. You know one thing Yeah, is there before and after for just butts for like flatness and curvature? Yeah, yeah, and I've seen some pretty crazy before and after shots for sure based on based on it Yeah, ass and hips to waist ratio all that There's nothing worse than a flat ass. There's nothing worse. So good.

I agree with you. What a fucking guy. Can't talk over each other. Why are you eating chips on the mic? I don't know. Mic's all over everybody. Wish I could stop for a reason. You are destroying those chips, though.

You're destroying those. Good, huh? Are those the salt and vinegar ones? Those are good. You want a pepper? No, no, no. I have the same ones here. How does it feel

when you first started not doing UFCs? The first shows where they started branching out and using chemicals. I like watching. I like commentary, but I like watching too. If for whatever reason I never work for the UFC again I would probably watch

just as many fights. Pretty close. I wouldn't watch the prelims as much like the early prelims because I just don't have six hours on most days to be watching fights but for recreation purposes like how much I enjoy it I fucking love watching the fights on TV. I like the fact that I don't have to go anywhere I'm home hanging out with my friends, having a couple of beers, watching fights. I love it. I mean, I love working for the UFC,

but I love watching, too. I wouldn't mind at all if I didn't do it again. I'd rather do this than sit front row at any live event. Yeah, that's fine, man. That's true. How often do you actually re-watch a show you just... Occasionally, I'll big fights or big moments, something that was really special to me.

There's been some fights where I watched the same fight two, three times in a row just to see wild transitions or some shit. Depending on what the fight was like, what was going on in the fight that was so interesting. Powerful Neil Magny. Neil Magny. Up in this bitch. The gazelle. Up in this bitch.

On that tough contract, gotta work that motherfucker off. Struggle's real on that tough contract. Struggle's real. Tell us about it. I was fighting O'Gara for eight and eight. Went down to Brazil, got my ass whooped, came back on the plane with about... Is that eight million?

Yeah. Wait a minute. Eight grand and eight grand. Eight thousand dollars. Yep. Just stop and think of that. Go to South America and fight a world champion. He's a world champion.

Legend. Noguera is the fucking first guy ever that was a heavyweight that had a wicked guard i mean nogara is the former pride champion legendary wars he fucking armbar bob sap and one of the craziest fights the world has ever known you're fighting him and guess who didn't give a fuck this guy super cocky, too. Bad idea. Bad idea. Then I fought Crow Cop for 10 and 10. After taxes on that Noguera fight, you're looking at like $2,800.

Yeah, no, I basically paid to fight Noguera. I was like, thank you, sir. Here you go. Yeah, I fought Crow Cop. I think it was 10 and 10. Then after that fight, I had to have reconstructive nose surgery. What did Crow Cop make that fight? He got paid.

Paid. Had a fanny pack on and no fucks given. He was like, cool, you won, man. Nice bonus check. He got paid. It's Crow Cop. He deserves to get paid. You know what I'm saying? I didn't deserve that money at the time. I think i had four fights in the fc five fights in the fc you gotta get your nose fixed reconstructive

nose surgery after crow cop what happened he hit me with that elbow and it shattered my nose like completely shattered everything in my nose second round two i was like why the am i so tired i'm in great shape and i couldn't breathe out my nose and i just blood just going gushing down my throat how'd they fix it what they have to to do they went in they put like some mesh thing in it cuz all the bones were so fractured and like tiny fractures put some mesh thing in it I was trying to get a legit nose job as a yo doc take a little tip knife makes me look good he's nah, that's not what I do. You don't want them to give you some weird fucking Michael Jackson nose. But then they put these brackets up there and

stitched them in so it wouldn't move. I had to chill like that for six weeks. It was the most pain I've ever been in. Popping painkillers every day. Got addicted to them. Really? Got addicted to them. No shit. Because I had a doctor who was like, oh, I'm cool. I'm hip. Here's 200 Oxycontin. I was like, hell yeah.

Got the things taken out. Next thing I know, I'm still filling the prescription. Pop them every single day. Didn't even notice. Finally, a buddy had to come to the house and take them from me. Whoa. It was some intervention shit. How many were you taking a day?

Probably six. Oh, my God. Oxycontins? Yeah. Oh, my God. For how long? This was right after I fought Cro Cop. I had like 10, 11-month layoff because of it.

And then I fought Noguera after that. So you had a 10, 11-month layoff because of Oxycontin addiction? No, because I had a nose job. Okay. But how long did the Oxycontin addiction kick in? I was probably doing it hardcore for like four months. Four months? Wow.

Then my best friend Joe Klopfen, came over and took him from me. What kind of stupid shit were you doing on it where they had to intervene? They just knew. I was taking them nonstop. Like, whatever we were doing, my friend noticed. But how were you acting? Because if you were just normal like this, people wouldn't even notice. No, I was normal like this because I'm not a drunk guy. Were you late everywhere? Were you sleeping all day?

I think I was just out of it all the time like out of it you know i'm a guy who talks a lot i think i was just kind of like this playing video games who just like chilled like i was like a vegetable just laying around super that's the other thing i was super depressed on him how was he taking my super depressed how was it coming off of him horrible how did it feel super itchy i was real irritable all the time yeah and now i got a fight with Nogueira. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. It must have been great. So you fought Nogueira after you got off of the pills? Yeah. How long after? You'd have to look at the time table. I'm sure people can look it up.

Not far after. And then, so I went off those painkillers, fired my striking coach. I was so, This sounds stupid. I was a young fighter. I was so sure I was going to knock Nogueira out. I didn't even go to Brazil with a striking coach. I was just like, nah, I don't need one. I'm going to knock him out. Damn, the pills fucked your head up sideways.

It fucked me up. That's a crazy thing that a doctor could just start prescribing them like that. Isn't it weird? You don't have to go to them to get your pill. You could just take all 200 at once. Oh, yeah. Do whatever you want. You can do whatever you want.

I mean, that's one of the weirdest things about, like, doctors giving you pills. I've had surgery since, like, on my hand. They gave me one on my neck after the trash brown fight. They gave me something for my neck. I don't take them anymore. Really? Yeah, I don't even fill the prescription. You just, they take you, you just say, I'd rather have the pain.

I deal with the pain. Yeah. I've had three surgeries, and I don't even fill the prescription. You just, they take, you just say, I'd rather have the pain. Yeah, I can't deal with the pain. I've had three surgeries and I don't take them. I've got them in the house, but I don't fuck with them at all. They say it's the harsh thing on your body. You've had issues with substances in the past too. Yeah. But I figured it's like, it's a trick anyway.

It makes your mind pretend you're somewhere else. The pain's still all there. It's like a distraction and I'm like, fuck it. I'll freeze it out with ice or I'll take extra Tylenol or whatever pain and I'll just fucking get through it. Yeah, for sure. Do you still have those pills though? Yeah, I went through both my knee surgeries with no pills, no nothing. Because when I had my ACL done, the first knee surgery on my left knee, they gave me I don't remember what it was. It was your Vicodin or

Percocet. I don't remember. I wound up selling them at the pool hall. But I took one hit and I was so out of it. I was like, I'd rather have the pain. I'd rather have the pain. Oh, I love that feeling. Oh, I don't like it at all. I don't like it at all. I don't, but I say I don't like it at all, but I used to fucking

love NyQuil. The real NyQuil with codeine. I remember when I was a little kid and just going into a hallucinogenic state off that. It was awesome. Dude, I took it once. Dreamy. The last time I took it, it was more than 10 years ago. But I was sick, and I got a hold of someone before they took the codeine out.

And I just felt like shit. I was like, what do we got? I got some NyQuil. I'll take this. I hadn't taken it since I was a kid. And I just melted into that bed. That's that scissor. I'll take this. I hadn't taken it since I was a kid and I just melted into that bed That's that scissor before before the rappers made it famous Yeah that lean dude. Everyone's doing that shit.

That's that little Wayne scissor. I felt so good. I felt so good. I'll drink some of that shit right now I'm not gonna lie to you. How's your boy Neil Magny? You would drink some syrup, but you won't fuck with some Oxycontins. Yeah, that's right I like how you think. Yeah right Makes sense. One of them put a hook in him, the other didn't yet. won't fuck with some oxycontins yeah that's right um i like how you think yeah right makes sense one of them put a hook in the other didn't yet you know maggie's looking good man he's so active this altitude is his uh cardio is gonna be beast his cardio is always nasty and lives up here trains up here and he's got a style where he never like he's not burning out any fast twitch muscle fibers he stays on you at like a 75 pace always you know

his biggest thing is confidence man he's getting more confident he's always had the skill it's just confidence the only thing that's missing with neil magny is like knockout power you know what's missing he just he's just not mean neil's never he's just not mean i nickname him the fucking gazelle there's not i mean gazelle don't have an aggressive bone in his body that's why i nicknamed him the gazelle but he's he's a very competent fighter like he definitely knows how to fight huge reach good cardio he's a beast man he's a smart fighter fights very smart very smart yeah he's one of those dudes that's on a win streak that nobody's talking about no one talks about i think he's on a seven seven fight nobody's talking about. No one talks about it. I think he's on a seven fight. Six. Six fight win streak? I think it's a B7, yeah.

I mean, that's amazing. In this division? Well, he's on the main card, so someone's talking about it. Yeah. Well, he's in Boston. Or he's in Denver, rather. He's in Denver, yeah. And it's a fight night.

He lives in Denver. Yeah, he lives there. He lived with Nate Marquardt forever, man. I think he got his own place now. He better get his own place. What did you think about Nate's last fight? Was that hard to watch? Super hard to watch.

I sent him a text and said, hey, I need you to come in for a podcast with Joe Rogan. That's what I told him. I'm just kidding. No, but for reals, though. I think you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised, son. Joe's like, I've learned and evolved through this. I don't know.

You know what, though, man? That's the thing you tell fighters. I think it's time to go on Joe's podcast. That's learned and evolved through this. I don't know. You know what, though, Ben? That's the thing you tell fighters. Like, I think it's time to go on Joe's podcast. That's what I tell them, man. No. I wouldn't do it unless I loved them. It's tough for me to watch, man, with Nate especially. Nate was my hero, man.

I missed that fight. What happened? He just looked bad. Against who? Well, Brad Tavares looked really fucking good. And to not take anything away from Nate, I think Nate's a really good fighter. But Brad Tavares is becoming like something special right now. I get that.

But Nate, Nate Markhart, a young Nate, Nate in his prime was a fucking beast. Oh, no doubt. One of the best ever, really. He's a very good fighter. If you watch the combination that he finished Tyron Woodley off with in Strikeforce when he won the title. In Strike, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that's some video game shit. That Mortal Kombat shit, yeah.

Spitting elbow, yeah. He looked beautiful. Look, Nate's been around a long time. He's been fighting since he was 17. You know who gave me insight into Nate is you when you told me that he was one of his main sparring partners was Shane Carwin. It was me and Shane. There's only three of us every day in the gym. What?

Yeah. It was me and Shane. There's only three of us every day in the gym. What? Yeah. But just thinking someone fighting at 170 who spars with Shane Carl, I mean, maybe it was 185 at the time, but when Nate was fighting at 185, he wasn't really cutting any weight.

No, he walked around like 192. Yeah. But he was fighting with Shane who walked around at 280, me, I was 240 at the time. Did you just say what number? What was that number? 280. Shane was a solid 280. That hurts my face.

That's like the greatest training partner to work on footwork. That's how I got all my footwork. Yeah, that's not good for your brain. Nope. It's really not good for your brain. Keith was saying it was the hardest he'd ever been hit. He's in a clinch and he're like he's got an under hook in there and he says it's just this far away his his just and he's like and bell wrong like nobody nobody hits like shane keith used to stand and bang with shane i'd be like look at this dude not good man oh that explains a lot Not good, man. Ugh.

That explains a lot. Shut up. All of us are just punchy as fuck. Just stop and think about everybody that Shane Carwin has sparred with. Dude. Shane Carwin, like, his hands are so stupid big. Dude. They're literally like lunchboxes. They're like some fucking Thor lunchbox shit.

Some hammer at the end of his wrist. What does he wear, a 4XL? Yeah, biggest glove ever in the UFC. Biggest glove ever in the UFC. Wait, he had bigger gloves than Brock? Yeah. Shane's bigger than Brock. That's what people don't understand.

Brock's lower leg, lower body part isn't that big. Like his ass is quad. Yeah, his calves aren't that big. Shane's like a fucking Mack truck. Yeah. Shane is a big fucking dude. He's a big dude. You know what?

I would have loved to have seen what happened with Shane if he didn't have all those injuries from football. Football and wrestling. Yeah, both of those. But their back injuries, too. Neck. Back and neck, spinal. His neck's fucked up. All that stuff is just so debilitating.

That's what removes so much athleticism, so much explosion. Like a fighter becomes so different when they have a back neck injury. Bro, when Shane fought Frank Mayer, we're in the same camp, obviously. I forget who I was getting ready for. Maybe Crow Cup or no, I forget. But Shane maybe hit mitts three times. Maybe trained not much, man. Rolled in beat, breaks off Frank.

No fucks given. Well, he hit the gas from the opening round. He got an underhook. Yeah. He got him tied up, and he was hitting him with left uppercuts that just looked like hellfire. He might have sparred literally three or four times at camp. Well, it was perfect because, you know, that wasn't sparring. That was an ass-whooping.

I mean, he just grabbed a hold of him and beat the fuck out of him. It was a hard one to watch because that one, I think he took way too many shots in that fight. Mir did. I mean, I think that could have been stopped earlier. Just Shane's short, powerful punches were just ruthless in that fight. He seemed a little too relaxed in the clinch against the cage. Well, Frank's coach, Frank coach goes, relax here, relax here.

You're doing fine. I was like, huh? After the first one that we're on the show. Yeah, hell no, you ain't doing fine. You got Shane Carman with an underhook. That's where he makes his living. Everyone knows Shane Carman gets an underhook. You better get the fuck out.

You better get the fuck out, son. Shane didn't even like to wrestle either. He didn't want to wrestle ever. What is your insight where the guy like kane velasquez continually getting injured what do you think that's about listen with with the wrestling he how long has he been competing for you know i'm saying wrestling and now he's been getting ready for forever for mma went straight into it i just think his body's never had a break finally the body's like you know what man we can't do this anymore we just can't do do this anymore. You guys like Junior dos Santos, too I mean anyone here thinks Junior dos Santos from those two fights with Kane is the same as fucking crazy that dude look

He's just not the same and now he just had surgery on his hand and knee So it's a junior did he just after after steep a he another surgery. And he had surgery before that fight. So your body's telling you something, man. Eventually your body's just like, we can't do this. We can't compete at this level anymore. When you see the Stipe fight, do you think that that was just Stipe just getting better and better and better? Do you think it was Junior sliding off a little bit? Or do you think it was a combination of both?

Combination of both. I think Stipe's looked better. I've seen Stipe look better. Stipe used to be a training partner of mine. I used to fly Stipe in to Denver. He's a beast. Stipe's a beast. Stipe's a tough guy.

He looked very good in that fight, too. But I've seen Stipe look better. Better than that. Yeah. Really. I thought that was the best performance of Stipe's career. I thought he rose up. I mean, I thought his timing was super sharp.

His boxing looked good in the first round. He let Junior know. He did take some shots, but in the first round he let Junior know, like, hey, this is going to be some shit. For sure. You're going through some shit. I don't know if he thought, like, oh, I'm not fighting Cain Velasquez. This is going to be nice. We get a little bit of a break. No breaks. I'm trying

to kill you. Yeah, he went at him, man. It was beautiful. I don't think Junior's the same anymore. I don't think... I mean, you can't get your ass whooped for that for 10 rounds and be the same you just can't you think that's just what it is yep i think you only have so many rounds in your career doesn't matter whether you do it in one fight if you do five in one fight if you do one here two in this fight there's only a certain amount where your body just says shuts it down there's a certain amount where your body shuts it down, but is there a period in time where it just starts declining, obviously? Do you see it declining, and then they still fight for five, six more years?

Oh, 100%. You see that with everybody. Everybody. Of course, right? Especially with Junior, because he's making serious bank. Good shit going on right now. Yeah, Kunimoto. Magny, trying to get his guard passed,

but it's just a battle of the guard pass right here. Now, Eddie, when you know all the go-to shit from half guard that you know, when you see dudes just kind of hanging on in these positions, when you see guys on the bottom, does that frustrate you when you see guys that don't attack? Or does it open you up to possibilities like, wait, hey, my students get in this situation, you're going to see some shit.

How do you, when you look at this and you see all these, if you look at what you would be doing in this situation. I would never have the balls to get in a cage and do any of this shit, first of all. Let me just say that. That's very beautiful of you. But I mean, just from a technical aspect, if you see guys on the

ground and they're they're in in positions in the garden you see like sloppy guard work does that frustrate you or does it make you think like hey you know look this is just great for you know my my fighters guys like ben saunders that i train you know they go oh shit neil magny going off yep he's like i don't like being on the bottom i'm gonna go ahead he's that fucking cardio oh slipped slipped on a knee. But still, look at that cardio. Neil Magny. Yeah, the...

Go, go, go. I left. If we can just get a mean streak in here, it doesn't matter. There's just so much to train when you're fighting MMA. And it's a really, really smart thing to do when you first start getting into MMA to get your striking together because the worst possible thing start getting into MMA to get your striking together because it's the worst possible thing that can happen is you get your fucking you get knocked the fuck out that's way worse than getting choked out getting getting put in a rear naked choke is

kind of humiliating especially if you're a striker it's like fuck but nothing's worse than getting shut off and doing the fish that's the that's worst nightmare. So you have to spend so much time on your feet to make sure that shit don't happen because these guys are animals. There's not that much time to really get super technical with your jiu-jitsu. There's not that much time. So when I see just vanilla jiu-jitsu

or whatever you want to call it from from fighters it's it's a that's what i expect it's like they don't have the time i understand that they're they're spending most of their time with their striking shit if i was if i had a gun to my head and someone said i have to do mma i'd be spending my time striking all day trying to avoid the worst-case scenario, just getting shut off, you know? So there's just so many hours in the day you just can't train everything. Awesome. You know?

Look at Neil Magny. Neil's beating this dude up, son. That's real good. Oh, shit. I think he broke him when he hit him with that left. I think he's breaking him in the out. He's got 13 seconds, though. Watch behind the head.

Yeah, this might be over. No, I guarantee he lets him get through the round. Herb's the best in the out. He's got 13 seconds, though. Watch behind the head. Yeah, this might be over. No, I guarantee he lets him get through the round. Herb's the best in the business, man. He's not going to stop it. I don't know. I think he might have been able to. He might have been at the doorway there about 15 seconds ago. No, he's fine.

It would have been a bad call because look at him. No, but I'm saying if Neal could have landed more shots. That's a rough sport, man. I never, ever, ever had a dream to do MMA. I'm just not like a barbarian. I would have done it if my back was against the wall. If I had to, luckily, I did some things in jiu-jitsu where I didn't have to fight. But if my back was against the wall and I had to work at a regular job waking up at 5.30 in the morning

or MMA, I would do MMA but I wouldn't be happy about it. I'm just, I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy. Like Ben and Brendan, you guys are fucking animals, man. To fucking want to do it and want the big fights

and want to do it in front of the whole world. I'm like 99.9999% the population we don't have the balls there's only a tiny percentage of guys i'm not one of those guys i like jiu jitsu it's as close as i'll get and uh if i had a gun to my head i would do mma but i'm not i'm not a barbarian jiu jitsu is nerve-wracking too man when i did that metamorris i i really didn't think my nerves would get to me like a fight like job you, Shob, you're up. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, but it's an ego thing, really. That's just pure ego.

MMA is ego and physical. It's non-physical and physical. All manifest into one. Boom. That's why the glory is so beautiful. When you win, that glory. I've never knocked anybody out in the UFC, but I see and I can feel it. When Chuck Liddell knocks someone out and he does that,

he knows right now the whole world is watching, and he's thinking about the after party and all that shit. He's like, But when you lose, my man, the lows. It's the opposite of that. It's the opposite. What I was asking is, I understand. Yeah, exactly.

That's why the glory is so beautiful, because losing feels the worst ever. So most people are like, that glory is the ultimate. Everybody wants that glory. But the risk of going the other way, ooh, it's too risky. So most people don't have the balls. You guys are like, fuck it, playing the lottery. Like, we're going to fucking do it.

And you're happy about it. You can't wait to try. Ben Sonner's fucking he loves every aspect of fighting. I've sat down and had many conversations with Ben. Man, this is one of the coolest. He's got his fucking whole spirituality

together and man, I'm so impressed with Ben as a person and how he handles all this. You know, he's right there. It's like we're talking when he's not here. Proceed. Continue, please. It's crazy.

Neil's got the redneck intro. Oh, it's ever. Oh, shit. Now Neil's going to be really famous now. Watch. Damn. If you can get a little personality on the mic, yeah. Damn, Neil Magny.

Put it on him. Call him out. Give him some lessons yeah powerful neil magny it's tough either you got it or you don't there's no dana might hire you as a personality coach these guys cardio is insane you know what i was asking you guys after they told my all the ultimate fighters they got to go through you they got to take a three-week course of breath and shot a big ground workshop what i was asking you i know how you feel about mma and you fighting that's not what i meant what i meant was was when you see all these openings on the ground, being a guard specialist,

does it frustrate you that people don't know this shit? No, there's no frustration. Does it give you a feeling of, look, this is good that my guys know how to do shit that other guys aren't doing in MMA. And the more MMA fighters I coach with the right techniques, the more we're going to see this kind of stuff. Man I don't know what to say to that. Like if you see shitty technique you're not like come on son. I don't know man I don't know what to say about that. What do you say about that?

He's too high right now. It frustrates me for sure. I'm not like frustrated. I understand. I look at it I'm not frustrated. I understand. I look at it. I'm not frustrated. I understand the situation.

I understand the mentality of the whole thing. I've been backstage and talked to so many fighters in the UFC for so many years in King of the Cage. I've been in the business making money for a long time backstage watching their lives. And the more I work backstage, the more, to me, I i'm like that's too much pressure for me fuck that i see what these guys are going through and all these guys going for not only the fighters but like the apparel brands and everyone's trying to start their own apparel brand and i like i i remember back in 2001 rage athletic death death death kill joke yeah yeah all that shit and i see these guys they put all their money but we're gonna do it mma is getting big i got a clothing line

and you just see them come and go so after a while you see the ufc fighters coming through and like the tough fighters and doing it for so many years i'm like the odds that you're gonna be around in two years are so... Not good. They're not good, man. I like talking to them. I'm like, you're loving life right now. Enjoy that shit. You know what I mean?

Enjoy it. People weren't lasting. You look at the UFC eight years ago. You put on a UFC fight. These fighters aren't... It's so hard. You know the average career is a year and a half. Exactly.

Average career in the NFL is three and a half years. If you know this right away, it year and a half. Exactly. Average career in the NFL is three and a half years. If you know this right away, it's like a scared straight program. All these little kids that want to be fucking MMA fighters, you put them through a scared straight and you have them sit down fucking. I don't want to say any names, but I mean there's guys that are just fucking broken from it. You know what I mean? What were you going to say, Joe? What were you going to say, Tate?

I don't know. I think that's a different thing. It's a hard life. That's a string of a guy going, I want to make my living as a fighter, and I want to be, like, I'm looking at the lights, and I go, ooh, I want to be George St. Pierre or something, as opposed to dudes that are real motherfuckers that are going, I just like this.

I like to do this. That's different. Whether there was money or not, my heart needs this expression in this venue, and I want to feel that pressure and see who I am under that. Like, that's a whole different kind of thing. You're talking about one guy. I'm kidding. What I wanted to ask you was what do you think about all this class action lawsuit stuff that's going on?

Oh, shit. I couldn't believe that recently, I couldn't believe that Mac Danzig and Gabe Rudiger became a part of it. There's a new class action lawsuit with those guys. I've had people hit me up what okay crazy what is what is it what does it mean like what are they doing i'm not understanding what a guy who's like a gay rudiger like what could he be suing for i'm not i've i've honestly i don't know the details on what they're suing for i just know they want the fighters to have more of a say and get paid better. That's what they're aiming for. Right, but a class action lawsuit.

And concussions. But what are they saying? Do you know? No, I don't know. I've been approached several times. Damn. And I'm not touching it. Just for the record, I'm not touching it.

I make a very good living messing with the UFC. I feel like it's a bunch of people that are like, especially lawyers that are getting involved in this, they recognize that there's blood in the water. There's a guy that called me and goes, do you know anybody that wants to get involved in this? And he's just some random lawyer from fucking Texas. That was like two weeks ago.

This is grosser than grosser. Do you think a guy like... Like, this is grosser than grosser. Do you think a guy like Gabe Rudiger or a guy like Mac Danzik, who Mac had already... Mac had a good career, won the Ultimate Fighter, and, you know, had decided he wasn't taking shots well anymore, and wrote a very eloquent piece about it. And I respect Mac a lot. He's a very smart dude.

Great dude. And when I see him, that he's in it, I go, wow, this is... I wonder what this is. And I wonder, like... I mean, total speculation, I would have to ask. But if some guys are like, hey, this is the end of my career, I'm not fighting anymore, so I don't have to worry about pissing them off. I don't want them to hire me again.

That's what it is. If you think you can get me some money, let's do it. I think it's combination of some dudes being like, the sport needs to change. And it does. Dana knows this. Everyone in this room knows like, the sport needs to change. And it does. Dana knows this. Everyone in this room knows this. Certain things have to change. If the fighters had a union, there's no reason we shouldn't.

There's no reason we shouldn't. Every other major leagues do. Yeah, the unions that exist in other sports, they benefit the players for sure. But I think the difference being that there's a bunch of different teams. Like, say, if Seattle doesn't want you anymore and then Boston wants you, there's, like, New England wants you, you can travel around and be a part of different teams, and that's where most of the negotiation takes place. With the UFC, the issue that people have is that there's a UFC.

There's no teams. It's just, like, everybody's playing for the same team. There's one fucking team. That team's the UFC. It's not the NFL. Because the NFL is comprised of a bunch of different businesses. People own the Seattle Seahawks. They own the Miami Dolphins. They own

the Raiders. But they're all under one branch. They're all under the NFL umbrella. They're all under the NFL umbrella. And part of this union is when... Just for the NFL, these NFL players are Destroying their bodies destroying their brains for whatever the average Chris three and a half years So they're saying for those three and a half years what we've given you we should be compensated for down the road

Which is a hundred percent. Yeah, there's there's without a doubt. There's some merit in that There's definitely some merit if if they were ignorant to the facts But now the facts have been exposed, you know, which is the claim about concussions and NFL. I think this goes with boxing, this goes with MMA, this goes with everything. Once it's all out on the table and the medical facts and everything are in order, you've got to say, okay, you didn't know and they didn't know, but now you do know. So now if you do know, you have a certain amount of responsibility to take care of the people that are under your protection so what does it entail to have cte what are the issues that these athletes could possibly be dealing with

so you've got to mitigate whatever the issues that come along with those those athletes being you know concussed on a regular basis you got've got to mitigate that. You've got to mitigate it by management. You've got to mitigate it by counseling, whether it's having someone who's a sports psychologist, having someone who's a neurosurgeon or a neuroscientist, rather, that can give them examinations, CAT scans, all that jazz. They should check you out on a regular basis. And that's great, but those guys should also be compensated down the road for risking their life

being entertainers, being the elephant in the circus. I should have peanuts for the rest of my life. Peanuts up in this business. You start all that, though, but what about then any kid that goes into football? You're playing

football throughout junior high school and high school. Are those parents subject to child abuse then? Because you're putting your kid in a position where they're getting concussed. I think you got a good point, man. I think that's a real good point. It's a good point, but those kids aren't dedicating their lives to football. The fuck they aren't.

Ah, not really. Some of them are, man. Some of them are. Some of them are. Some of them are. I mean, there's some kids that realize it. And all these loser parents that are like, I want my kid to be. Their parents realize it. You got a big kid.

Like, say, Brendan Chopp. I know you're happily involved. But what if some big Serena Williams-looking bitch would just like the perfect boot? I say bitch with all due respect. Of course. But a beautiful super athlete is what I'm trying to say. If some enormous fucking volleyball player, like, what's that chick's name?

Gabriella Reese? Okay. If she wanted to sling some eggs your way, make some fucking savages. And then you realize but maybe you're a dude who, like, you know, you always wanted to coach. You know, you always wanted to coach a little guy from the jump.

So you get this little motherfucker. That's me, dude! Listen, you little motherfucker. You got some killer genes. Some savage genes. We're going to make some money! And your kid's like, Daddy, but I want to paint flowers. I wish I was born a girl. Nah, bitch. Get the football.

Get the football. These guys are hot. You can beat them up. Hey, Max Holloway and our boy, Cole Miller. Ready to go at it. You got to pay Cole Miller some respect. Look at these guys. They're hot. You could beat them up. Hey, Max Holloway and our boy Cole Miller. Ready to go at it. Oh, shit. You got to pay Cole Miller some respect. I love that dude. Fuck, yeah.

Cole Miller's a savage. He's a savage. He's a good dude. He's a fun guy to hang with. He's always down to throw down. And Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, too. Cole Miller never goes backwards. I think Max Strike is going to be the difference. If Max can get off, he's going to win. Max is taking it. No,, too. Cole Miller never goes backwards. I think Max's strike is going to be the difference.

If Max can get off, he's going to win. Max is taking it. No, how about a fucking Cole Miller strike? It's pretty goddamn good. He knocked out Ross Pearson with a left hook. This is true. It's a good fight. Yeah, this is a very good fight.

That's huge. Ross Pearson is a fucking beast. Cole Miller's jiu-jitsu on the ground. Cole Miller's whole family is down to struggle. His dad fights. His dad still fights. His dad's my age. In MMA?

He's still kickboxing and shit. In MMA? I sound like my old school. Dude, his dad's a savage. His dad is cool as fuck, too. And then his brother fights. His brother Mike is cool as fuck. Brother and father all fight.

Damn. All cool as fuck. Yeah. All of them cool as fuck. Mike and Miller, all brain drama. They're all game as fuck, man. They're ready to throw. Yeah, they're just like, you don't want to fucking burglarize their house.

Hey, your boy Diaz, what do you tell him? Joey? Do you see him fight more? No. Oh, Nick? Nick. Well, I think Nick is going to take a well-deserved vacation now. I hope they don't take any money away from him.

I don't know what happens with the weed thing. I hope it's a small fine. He didn't get a small fine. He only fights once every two years anyway, so it's not a big deal. I hope it's a small fine. He only fights once every two years anyway, so it's not a big deal. I hope it's no big deal because I think it's stupid. Unless he's high when he's fighting. So what? It's a stupid

law. I'm with you, brother. My concern always with these kind of things is like, what are they doing that's helping them fight? And could there be an argument that smoking weed helps his jiu-jitsu and that it helps his training and helps his cardio when he trains? Yeah, there could be an argument.

Yes, there is. There was a recent argument about ultramarathoners. Ultramarathoners, there was this talk about how they're able to run ultramarathons way easier when they get high. Yeah, they run a straight line. No, these guys are running over hills they're doing but they're still running straight but I go that way but it's it's hard man it's the what's happening with the the marijuana is it reduces inflammation and it allows you to numb

the pain like you're not thinking about it you're bringing going to a fuck you're suing it knocked out you might yeah yeah yeah. No, I'm not saying it's going to stop that. I don't think it's performance enhancing. It is for jujitsu. Apparently, unless it's bullshit, it has been written that marijuana actually opens lung passageways. It actually opens your lungs. What are you saying about basketball, Jamie? That could be bullshit, but that's what they're saying.

They're saying that that's what happens. Hold on a second. What? It's performance enhancing in basketball. Performance enhancing, like they test for it? They don't test for it. They don't test for it. But you think it's

performance enhancing when people do it? Yeah, it slows down things and makes the hoop bigger. Yeah. No. It makes the hoop bigger? It does.

It makes it feel, look, I'll tell you what, it works with pool. It's fucking hysterical. No, but that whole thing, that time dilation, that's a real thing. It helps with concentration.

All that stuff about being into the zone. There's a lot of studies into that. He's describing how the head hitting guys can't talk over each other. There's a lot of studies into that. He's describing how the headhills can't talk over each other. There's this book called The Rise of Superman that they went into all these studies about the zone, about being in that flow, and about time dilation. And weed, like cannabis, does that for people.

It gets you into that state quicker where you become a heightened, more alert animal. Yeah, it can for some people. Like Nick Diaz loves it. So if you let Nick Diaz smoke weed, he'd probably fight better on weed. You know? And it helps your cardio, man. It just does.

Like, people don't want to admit that. But marathon runners report that. They report it makes it easier for them to go hard longer. Okay. All right. Let's say it does all this shit. Either way,

Anderson Silva was on some anabolic shit that's illegal we know for a fact that helps for a fact no there's no argument there there's no argument there the real question is uh is it helping nick during his training like is it a performance enhancer does it allow him to train in a better way in some but you know what guess what though dude so does a lot of that people do so does this goddamn cryotherapy that we do that cryotherapy allows people to recover so does creatine so this oil it's like there's a lot of shit that water make weed illegal how about caffeine I got a question for you Ben as well if they decided to just legalize steroids,

everyone could use steroids, would we see fighters jumping up in weight or staying right where the fuck they're at? I'd look like fucking Alistair Overeem in 2012 right now. No, seriously, would you? Just fucking K1. If it was legal, you would? Probably, yeah.

And you would get bigger? You'd want to get bigger? I don't know what I would do. Would you get bigger if it was legal? Would you? Probably, yeah. Probably. And you would get bigger? You'd want to get bigger? I don't know what I would do. Would you get bigger if it was legal? Would you use it? I don't know. They said, we're going to legalize it. It's stupid.

It was a question for him because he could go off a weight class. At that point, I'd say, show me the money. Okay, if I got to go up, you get the money and it's legal. Exactly. So most people would just stay the same, right? Yeah, but you're talking to heavyweight. I would look like five. Yeah, but Ben, Ben, step up on that mic real quick that's a different yeah what for you though it like

wouldn't really be effective to add more muscle mass like you're optimized physically for your frame at 170 do you agree i would say so so if you're going to go to 185 like if you like say not that you want to do it but if you wanted to do it if you looked at it like super objectively with no desperation at all like what's the most what's the most intelligent way to plan that out how long do you think you would take to put on that kind of mass and keep in and be comfortable to go to heavyweight yeah no no 185 he's like if you're gonna go to 185 you really like decided i'm gonna be a middleweight fighter now i'm gonna abandon this idea of cutting weight and staying lean and restricting my calories and dehydrating myself how big would you want to get uh I mean I'd roughly just try to do the same thing I'm doing for 170 just obviously we're dealing with 15 pounds heavier

so but what would you do do would you give yourself a year like two like if someone said how much time I mean I start I start My first four fights Were what 185 But I was stepping on The scale with My jeans on That was lower level Right

Like lower level Yeah We were just strolling in It was my first four fights You're saying if I was in the UFC And I had to fight at 185 Yeah right now I mean

Honestly I don't know The science behind My body type And how long it would take me To produce that much Additional muscle mass But it's something That you would have to Really consider right Yeah like science behind my body type and how long it would take me to produce that much uh additional muscle mass but it's something that you would have to really consider right yeah like if i was going up to 185 i don't know if i was going up to the reason you wouldn't even do it like if no no no

you'd stay the same right well the reason why i was asking was one reason is because henderson tonight just fought at 155 like a month ago. And now he's stepping in here tonight. Yeah. And he's fighting Thatch, who's a giant fucking welterweight. Walked around. He'll be 190 in the cage. He's a big boy.

6'2", 190. He's long. And he's super aggressive. Great striker. But Ben Henderson's 180 right now. No. Yeah. No, 170.

That's what he was when he was cutting at 55, but since then, I bet he probably gained at least five pounds. It's only a month ago. I bet he gained five pounds, so maybe he's like 180. Well, who knows, man? Maybe he'll be better at 170 where he's not dehydrating himself. Maybe he'll be like a Rumble Johnson type situation. Joe, don't you think steroids and PEDs benefit really 185 and above?

Because those bladder guys really aren't using it. Maybe they're using EPO. Who knows? But they're really not going to use the anabolics because they can't put on that muscle. Maybe not the anabolics. I'd say it's more prevalent at the higher weight classes. It would help for recovery during training. Yeah.

But they've got to cut weight. I bet a lot of them use a little DER. Just a little bit for recovery. But if you could do growth and a little test all the time to stay recovered and do two a days all the way through and not suffer over training as much and then get clean. You ain't going to gain that much weight.

That Belko dude, he was interesting as fuck. He's a fascinating guy. You know what, man? One of the things he's been saying over and over again is that these testing techniques are ineffective and that these urine tests are given fighters are just you know and everybody was calling on him he was saying they were just these are just intelligent tests yeah yeah what's his name what's about go cat's name

victor contact that's right but i had him on the podcast the interesting cat but after it's all over man now he looks vindicated in my opinion i mean he's vindicated goddamn what were they dogging him about i apologize to everybody when I said that John Fitch would never piss hot. I said, BJ Penn and John Fitch, you're the only ones guys who will ever piss hot. And when John Fitch pissed hot, I found out that Santa Claus wasn't real. I really did. Dude, he was looking huge in his last couple of fights. Have you seen him in his last fight?

That's the first thing I noticed. I'm like, that doesn't look like regular John Fitch. Have you seen him in his last one? That's the first thing I noticed. I'm like, that doesn't look like regular John Fitch. John Fitch has some big biceps with giant water hose vein coming through. I still wouldn't believe he's on PEDs. He's huge. I still didn't believe it.

He's huge. Do you think it's possible that he wasn't? Is it possible? No, I love when guys say that. Dude, he's huge now. I need another test. He's fucking yoked. Get out of here.

Anderson Silva said the same shit. Well, Anderson Silva's trainer, have you ever seen the picture of Anderson Silva's trainer? Jack. It's hilarious. He's 60 and he looks like the Hulk. He's really close to him. He's his trainer. That guy's always around, Anderson.

Don't do what I do. That guy's a good dude. I like that guy. I just ate that guy's sandwich. I didn't ever inject anything. We shared a lunch one time and guy give me a back rub. We shared a lunch one time, and he gave me a foot massage. I shook my hand, and I pissed hot.

Yeah, what if it could prove that he gave him a back rub with hot cocoa butter? The thing, too, about going up in weight because of PEDs is that it doesn't, like, that bigger muscle mass isn't going to actually maybe dictate that you're going to have better use of that muscle mass. You know what I mean? You're just going to be heavy and slower. Well, the lightest guy in the UFC in title fights that's pissed hot has been Ali Bagutinoff.

For EPO. He pissed off for EPO. Come on, son. Which is the best thing to piss hot for, right? What are you doing fucking with EPO at that weight? You don't have cardio at that weight. Kick rocks. You know what?

He wanted to be able to do what he does, which is he has this very kinetic style where he uses a lot of muscle. He explodes a lot, and that shit gets you goddamn exhausted. You're 125 pounds. Do you think that is there a possibility? But he's fighting Mighty Mouse, who's so the opposite of that. Mighty Mouse is super technical. He's always in the right position.

And even when he knocked out Joseph Benavidez, it wasn't like some crazy wind-up punch that threw all his body weight into it. It was just super technical. He could do that for 100 rounds. If somebody wanted to fight Mighty Mouse for 100 rounds, he could probably fight you for 100 rounds. Cole Miller just pulled guard. He was pulling guard earlier by the cage. Look at that.

Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Leg lock action. He's a little high. I really believe leg locks are going to come back in a big way in MMA. Look at this. Cole Miller with the roll.

Oh, sweet. He's got the reverse triangle, too. He might have it. He's got to let go of that one leg, though, right? He's under that. Oh, he's caught up. His left leg is caught up. He's under the left leg.

Oh, this is the problem with leg locks right here. See, I don't think he should punch right now. I think he should defend the leg lock and get out of there. Guys usually get tapped out when they go to punch strike before. I don't know about that one. I say punch him. Leg lock boxing. Leg lock boxing.

Leg lock guys hate getting punched. Sorry about her. Here she is. I'm not mad at her. Don't kick her out of my bed. I just want to hug her. Did you marry her? I would not marry her.

If she wanted to marry you, if she called you out on Twitter, you'd marry her. I would not marry her. If she wanted to marry you, if she called you out, on Twitter, she says, oh my God, I love Rendon. Let's go out to dinner. And you guys went out. You see what his girlfriend looks like. You know how much money she's worth now, man?

My girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouchy. Yeah, you're gross. Yeah, yeah. I'm just fucking with you. Oscar the Grouchy is the greatest description of an unattractive woman ever, ever. My girl makes her look like Oscar the grouch with tits. Holy shit, that's funny. That's something Joey would say.

That's exactly like what something Joey would say. That is hilarious. How would he say it? She looks like Oscar the Grouch with tits. Sounds just like him. Probably smells like him too. Lazy bitch. See that bitch with the dirty feet coming here?

Boxy. You don't want to be boxy at 22 either, by the way. You really don't. Because when you get 40. 32 will look different. Yeah. 48's not going to look so hot. 40, you're going to be a hot mess.

It's a serious issue. It's a hot mess. Girls never talk about a guy's physical attributes. He's got to get his ears worked on. I know somebody in Beverly Hills. He just, I mean, he's just got to do something about those ears. Well, I heard Rihanna. What do I know? I'm like fucking TMZ, I heard Rihanna. What do I know?

I'm like fucking TMZ. I heard Rihanna broke up with Leonardo DiCaprio because she said he has too much of a belly. They were dating? Yeah. Oh, my God. And she said he had too much of a belly? Yeah. Asked me to six pack.

Good for her. Really cool to her to fuck some supermodel. She's like, yeah, I'll get on that while he's balls deep in some supermodel. Wow. Cool story, bro. And then just fucked some supermodel. Where did you hear this story from? Online, man.

I don't think he counts. I'm on the interweb. I'm on that underweb. Is there a worst sense of his than that? Online, bro. Oh, Max Holloway with the spinning back. Probably Barstool. You read Barstool?

Oh, yeah. I'm all over that shit. She's throwing him under the bus. Yeah, I said he had too much of a gut. That's hilarious. Yeah, he doesn't have fucking time to work out because he's doing A-list movies all the goddamn time. Over here picking up all these Oscars, bitch.

And blow. Yeah. And he's like, that's why Chris Brown whooped that ass talking that way. Dude, that Django performance. That's aggressive. Tate Fletcher just went there. Dude, that D'Jango performance. That's aggressive. Tate Fletcher just went there. Did you hear that?

Did you see him in D'Jango? Did you not hear what Tate Fletcher did? It was incredible. Oh, my God. He was incredible. Damn, Max Holloway just landed a nice right hand. You know what you don't see that much? You know what you don't see that much at MMA that Roy McDonald does so well is that question mark kick.

Like I was just looking, Cole Miller grazed the top of his head with a kick. And I was like, that kick where you come up and it looks like a front kick and then you turn into the Brazilian style. Cerrone does it almost every fight. Oh, he does it a lot. He pulled guard again, right? It's another leg lock. There you go. Look at that. Rory does it really well. I thought you does it a lot. Look at that heel hook again. Rory does it really well.

Seroni would knock a motherfucker out with it though. Seroni's so good at it, man. Yeah, Seroni does KO a lot of dudes. You know who's good at it too? The very first person I ever saw do it and knock a dude out? Marquardt's good at it. Nope, Brandon Thatch. Really?

Really? Brandon Thatch. You know how Pettis can do both traditional and softball? Yeah. Thatch can do both like a motherfucker. Oh, no. Eye poke. Oh, damn. It's bad, too, son.

He's like looking for parts of his eye in his palm. Damn. Oh, my God. You ever seen Bising's eye i just shot a show with disney his eyes careers man oh my god it's bleeding this is awful that's bad oh is that the eyebrow that's bleeding or the eyeball that's bleeding i hope it's the eyebrow i hope it's the eyebrow. I hope it's the eyebrow. Look at this. It's hard to look at. Oh, it's a head. It's a head. It's a head. Good.

Thank God. Good. It's just a cut. It's only a head. No big deal. God damn. Unless it's a bad cut, then I'm going to stop that bitch. It's a horrible spot.

They'll stop it. Way better than what I imagined, though. Oh, that's a big cut, man. Which was his brain coming out through his eye. Oh, that's not that big. It's the top of the eyebrow. I'm looking at the blood coming down the corner, and I was assuming that that whole thing was cut.

I don't think it is. Hey, that ref was my first ref in the UFC. Well, the referee said they keep going, but he said, you've got to clean my eye. Yeah, it's like going to my eyes. Yeah, do they bring somebody in? It looked like the ref was waving it off to me. Yeah, he looked negative.

Oh, no, no, no. But he's not going to clean it off. I don't understand that. He's angry. Ben, he looked... He was... Oh, no, no, no. But he's not going to clean it off. I don't understand that. He's angry. Ben, what do they do? Don't they usually clean it off if there's a headbutt? Like a cut like that? They have to look at it? If they have the doctor come in or someone come in and look at it, yeah,

they usually... That's what I would think they would do. It's only if the fighter can't see those affecting his eyesight. But it is right now. It's affecting his eyesight. He's trying to wipe it out of his eye. But only if it's in the eye. If it's going around the eye, they don't stop it. If it's in the eye, they stop it. Okay, the referee is coming over to talk to him.

He gets five minutes, right? Five minutes, yeah. So he's saying, fuck it, let's go. Damn. He goes, yeah, let's go while I'm angry. Sometimes this fires guys up. This could be the change of the match. You know what I'm saying?

Dude gets pissed. Well, a dude like Cole Miller, he's been fighting angry since he was a baby. That shit's in his genes. He's from the match. You know what I'm saying? Dude gets pissed. Well, a dude like Cole Miller, he's been fighting angry since he was a baby. That shit's in his jeans. He's from the South. Cole Miller can scrap. He scraps. Is that inside leg kick?

I don't know if anyone knows, but Max and Ben Henderson have the exact same back tattoo. Identical. That's true. No, but isn't Benson's like angel wings and his is like one angel and one devil? Is it? I think, Max, one of them is like a devil wing and one of them is an angel wing.

I'm not sure. Someone has that. Both have two wings. Yeah, that's wings. That right one's a little different. Is it? Yeah, they're two different. Let me see.

We'll see what he turns around. I know. We can't see. Well, there is one fire. Yeah, they're both different. Let me see. We'll see what he turns around. I know, we can't see. There is one fight. Yeah, they're both different. Maybe they're just two different kinds of birds. But one dude has it where one side looks like a bat wing.

Yeah, his looks like a bat wing. His right one looks like a bat wing. That left one looks like a bat wing. We were talking about back tattoos. This is getting real gay, boys. Ooh, nice body kick. We haven't gotten low yet. Full middle. You know, sponsors like Alienware. this is getting real gay boys who nice where i got a little bit more

you know exposes like alien where it's gonna be weird and i'm not allowed to sponsor ufc fights are used to seeing that that alien logo for so far yet is it's a one of them is like a devil right all that combo was nasty. You had to liver. That was a tie crunch. But it's going to be sad seeing those sponsors go. Those sponsors supported a lot of fighters. I'm going to miss them. Especially Alienware, man. They've been around so long supporting fighters. I bought an Alienware computer.

I even used them to sponsor my podcast just to sort of... They're still bellator. To say that, you know, just to respect them podcast just to sort of... They're still bellator. To say that. Just to respect them. It's a big deal. Think about Hayabusa. They've been around a great... Yep. Yes, they have. Hayabusa makes the best ankle straps.

They cover the whole instep. They're the only brand that covers the whole instep. It's a killer for lozons. It's bad right now. Padding? It's kind of like padding, too. That one's a killer for locked pads. You can't see at all. I think overall they make the best stuff. Padding or no? Am I wrong? It's kind of like padding too.

Their tie pads are the shit, man. They're the best tie pads. There's a real difference in how they feel to the guy who holds them. Yeah. After I would be done holding them with you, my triceps would be burning up, man. For like a day. I'd be super sore. How long have you guys been training together?

Two and a half years, maybe. That's a long time he's screaming twice have you seen those uh oh that's a bad cut that looks bad bad place that are like shaped like a head yeah yeah yeah terrible ideas are they cool no terrible i think it's cool you get oh my god it's huge j Christ. I think it's a great idea. Have you seen this fucking cut? Dude, did you see the cut? It got bigger. I think it got bigger. And big cut. Right?

That's his final punch when he was in the guard right before the bell was right on the button again. Oh, really? Yeah. See, that's kind of fucked up, right? Oh, look at this. Nope, that's nothing. Right there. Terrible highlight.

But it's not like a headbutt. It's just like he's rubbing. It's just going into his eye, man. Nope. That's nothing Right there terrible highlight, but it's not like a head, but it's just like he's rubbing it like he's just going into his eye Man, yeah, it's unfortunate that your eyes fucked up But well the mind of mine kind of known it was a little fucked up when he's rubbing his head in there Let's be honest. Oh for sure. I mean he's aware his head. Yeah, it's hitting the cut It's pretty bad though. It's a lot worse than I thought it was. It's drooping. It's drooping in front of his eye. Yeah, but when a company like Hayabusa takes something like tie pads

that have existed forever and just makes an improvement like that where you could absorb harder kicks with them, the way they can make their cushioning, whatever it is, it doesn't hurt nearly as hard when someone's kicking them Have you guys ever had blood in your eye you ever had blood in your eye? I think I think I was gonna sponsor you on the show Because the oil the oil you you can swipe and just doesn't go away It's like having a film of straight motor oil in your eye. You just can't get it off. It sucks man

Everything's blurry of course. He's in trouble man It sucks, man. Everything's blurry. Cole's in trouble, man. Max Holloway is a tough kid, man. And he's had some tough fucking fights in the UFC. Fought Conor, right? Yeah, he fought Conor.

He made the decision because Conor blew his ankle or his ACL out. Bro, I met up with Conor yesterday. He was in Venice. He's a big-ass dude. Is he? Hell yeah, he's big. Conor who? McGregor. How tall is he? I get to 145 like a professional. Fuck, he's big, man. He's a big-ass dude. Is he? Hell yeah, he's big. Conor who? McGregor. How tall is he?

I get to 145 like a professional. Fuck, he's big, man. He's a G, dude. I like him a lot. He's got to get by Jose Aldo. Oh, oh, oh, oh. That's a tough tall drinker. But if he gets by Jose Aldo, Conor McGregor versus Anthony Pettis,

think about fucking that. I agree. That's going to be a different fight for Conor right now. Yeah, but wait a minute. What about Frankie Edgar? What about Coach Swanson? What are you trying to do? What are you trying to do?

You want to see him lose? No, we need Pettis. Do you think that Frankie Edgar will beat him? Yes. He's going to wrestle him. Listen, I love Frankie, but I'm team Conor after yesterday, man. He's a good dude. I'm all team Conor.

With the right matchups, that kid, I think he's our biggest star. Easily. I love Frankie Edgar. Me too. I love Conor McGregor too. I don't want to pick a side. I love Cobb Swanson. Because there's part of me that was so, I love Cobb Swanson too.

There's part of me that was so impressed with Frankie after that Cub Swanson fight. I think it's a crime to not give him a title shot after that fight. I agree. I think it's a crime. The difference between beating Cub Swanson like that and beating Dennis Seaver at the end of his rope is totally different. You know why it's a crime? Because think about what Frankie's gone through. Think about Frankie's rope.

But the thing is, if you give Frankie Connor, you're're gonna destroy two superstars. You can't do that, man Well, you got it. It's too much huge you give this you give Connor you go the Aldo that Frankie the fight with Aldo. Okay, whoever wins that fight then Connor fights that that's how I would do it I give Connor one more warm-up and then give him all. They make the most of Connor fighting Aldo. If he wins, Connor versus Franky. I like seeing Aldo, Jose Aldo

right now. I like that as a fan. I love it. Exactly. The UFC knows that. Connor, Jose Aldo, right? And the UFC knows that. We're all gray elephants. That's the way they matchmake in Japan. They think of a fucking matchup and they do it. And the UFC knows that. We're all gray elephants, and you got this pink elephant, Conor. That's the way they matchmake in Japan.

They think of a fucking matchup, and they do it. You don't have to build up the shit. It's like, let's make it happen right now. And I'm happy about it. As Conor's management, I'm like, bro, let's get one more. You're going to fight kind of a grappler wrestler. Because don't get it twisted. Aldo's a black belt.

It goes to the ground. There's going to be some issues there and he can wrestle he's hard as to take down too i say you give him one more match up with kind of a grappler guy who's gonna try and take him down i think connor is gonna uh i think connor's gonna hurt him standing i don't think it's gonna go to the ground i think he really hits that hard how many more fights do we have to see? You know why I'm so confident? I really think that everyone that he's training with is going, holy shit, this guy hits so hard. And he's like fucking everybody up. That's the confidence he has.

And you know what? He's proving it. He hit Dennis Seaver with a couple shots, and Dennis Seaver started buckling quick. Seaver was stiff. Those are some powerful shots. I think he became stiff once he felt the power. No, he was stiff from when he flew in on Tuesday.

Yeah, but the way he knocked out Dustin Poirier, nobody ever did that before. That's what I'm saying. He clipped him on the top of his head. I think he's so confident because he knows that these guys at 45 can take his power. He's not saying the guys at 55 can take his power. I wouldn't be surprised if, let's say he beats Jose Alza and he's going to fight Anthony Pettis, right? It's going to be him and Anthony. I wouldn't be surprised if Conor said, hey, I knew for a fact I could beat all those guys at 145.

I knew there was no way they were going to handle my power. Anthony Pettis is like me. He's got serious power, crazy strikes. This is like a 50-50 fight. You know what I mean? This guy, to overlook this guy would be stupid. This guy's a beast. He's just like me.

We'll see what happens. Dos Anjos is fighting Pettis, though, man. That's going to be a good one. Yes, yes. Pettis just seems fucking unstoppable, dude. He's so confident. And you take him down, he submits you in a second. Dos Anjos grappling's a beast, man.

Yeah, man, that's going to be a great matchup. But Anthony Pettis can submit anybody. Henderson, I agree. That guy knows how to squeeze necks. He knows how to take arms. He's a finisher. Very good on the ground. He's a finisher. And the way he throws his strikes so powerful

with no windup, he just doesn't wind up and go, bam, bam, right? He throws them tight window style. Yeah, there's no wind to beat him with power. Los Angeles is going to be a tougher fight for him, I think, though. It's going to be a tough fight, but... Well, the tough fight for him is Nurmagomedov. Khabib Nurmagomedov is the tough fight.

Dude, I'm trying to tell Cowboy, don't fight him, man. Wait for your fucking title shot. Yeah, I agree. Because at 155, to get a title shot is going to be a fucking nightmare. Is he going to fight that guy? Is that the story? Man. So So I'm gonna set that fight up for sure you just fought fucking six times in like nine weeks Yeah, it's great to be gangster but a certain point his management needs to be like dude sit out you might what happens He'll never fade away cowboy will be around for as long as he can which is great

Which is great if I'm his business business manager I'm saying, you wait for the title shot. You've won what? Six in a row? And you'd get fired, too. You'd be one of those shady managers that they fucking get on the underground and say, fuck Brendan. Nah, you don't want me to come, Andrew. I'll take this bitch over.

You don't want me to manage dudes. You don't want me to do that. How many manager stories have you heard? Like manager after manager after manager. But with Cowboy, it's easy. Don't fight, bro. Wait. Wait, man.

You've done all this work. We're in the gray opportunity. You're going to get a title shot. Let's wait. Don't fight fucking Habib. I'm surprised he has a problem. He might have to wait a long time, though. Habib's ahead of him in line.

You know, I mean, there's a lot of fights out there. I mean, he might have to wait a while. He's been seven or eight. You wait. Title shots. Think about how hard it is to get a title of fights out there. I mean, he might have to wait a while. You wait title shots. Think about how hard it is to get a title shot at 155. Are people waiting and denying? Are they denying fights? Vitor.

That happens every now and then, but generally, Dana White offers a fight or Joe Silver and you fucking just do it. When you're Donald Cerrone and you're fucking him and Dana He could command fights? It's like stepbrothers. They're boys. I mean, him and Dana are. He could command fights? Are fucking, it's like stepbrothers. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're boys.

Yeah, so I'm sure he can be like. And think how much he fought for him. He fought Ben on a fucking, what, two week, three week notice? Yeah, if you're fucking hanging out. And you win seven in a row? You win seven in a row? Yeah, well, Cowboy wants to fight a lot. I think he feels more comfortable when he fights a lot.

He does. He gets better when he fights a lot. Joe, I get that. So I would not go with that advice. You wouldn't? No, no. So you would fight? He's not in line for an immediate title shot. If he was in line for an immediate title shot, I would say that's good advice. Wait it out. But he's not. There's other guys ahead of him.

This shit could take a year. Look, what if Pettis hurts himself again? Okay? Pettis hurt himself with Gilbert. A lot of people were saying that interim fight's no good, man. Look, when Pettis hurt himself with gilbert a lot of people were saying that but that interim fight's no good man look when pettis pettis hurt himself had to get to go through surgery he's gone through at least two surgeries and there was rumor that he hurt his hand or something after the the uh the fight with gill and it turned out that wasn't true if it was hurt it was okay he could you know rest it it'll be fine but anything could happen look at the fucking heavyweight division they had to have an interim title because at a certain point in time

it's like Kane's going through another surgery like Jesus fucking Christ and when you can't wait around for a title shot if that's the situation you can go dry his cowboy fight so much better when he's active I think it's good it's good general advice I think what you're saying but like cowboy fight so much better and his head is better, and his head is in tune a lot better. I just don't want to see him fight. But the thing is, so he takes off six months or whatever it is, and he comes back. He's not going to get a tune-up fight. He's going to fight somebody that's a fucking savage.

Like, it's almost better for him to stay in the fucking woods, you know? Almost, yeah. I just think title shot. Is woods bad or good? What's the woods? It's good. Just staying active, man. Staying moving, you know? Almost, yeah. I just think title shot. Is woods bad or good? What's the woods? It's good. Just staying active, man. Staying moving, you know?

I think, first of all, a guy like Nurmagomedov is an elite grappler, and it'll show you where Cowboy's defense is and where his back game is because Cowboy has a very nasty triangle that people forget about. He's got a nasty game off his back. Cowboy's super finisher. Very nasty off his back. So I wouldn't say that he couldn't beat Nurmagomedov. And if he did beat Nurmagomedov,

especially if he fucking showed his versatility by submitting him, you would think if Cowboy's going to win, most people would say probably by knockout, right? Like Nurmagomedov. Stand up. Yeah, he'd head kick him or something. But, man, if he caught him with something on the ground, that would be even more impressive, in my opinion.

I mean, catch him in his own realm. Nurmagomedov is the elite grappler. Whether he could do that or not is a big if. You know, like a guy like Nurmagomedov's been doing combat sambo, combat sambo world champion, and you watch him fight Dos Anjos, it's pretty obvious his grappling is on some next level shit. Another level, man. Because he just took that dude to the ground anytime he wanted to, ragdolled him, threw

him a ray, pounded on his face, elbowed him. And he beat Donald. Dos Anjos beat Donald. Yeah. Yeah, he did. And he beat Ben. Yes. Knockout Ben as well.

So you look at like a Conor McGregor. He's not fighting these elite grapplers. Yeah. So why does Cowboy have to fight this elite grappler? I think he wants to. I think he wants to. And if he wins, god damn, dude. If he wins.

I mean, think about it. He took the Benson fight with two weeks notice. A lot of people think he didn't win. It was a very close, controversial decision. I thought, personally, I thought Henderson was going to get the nod. I didn't re-watch the fights. I'm not committed to that. I'm not married to that.

But I think Benson was more effective. He did more shit, got more things off. And I knew Cowboy was pretty banged up going into that fight too, especially after the way he was kicking Miles Jury's legs when he was down. Cowboy didn't look good in that fight. Yeah, he looked like a guy who just fought two weeks ago. He still looked good, but took a head kick and fucking played it off. He got head kicked at one point in kicked and and and played it off he got

head kicked at one point in time by by ben and played it off well like you could see him stiffen up though like he got he got wrong it's tough man you fight and then you fight two weeks later you're gonna be busted up especially cutting that weight man there has to be some sort of point of no return where your body's just like, dude, we can't keep doing this. But then also you look at Nurmagomedov, and he's been out for a long time. He's had a knee surgery, and then I think he fucked something up again. Like I think he hurt his knee and then retrained too quick or something like that. He's been out for a long time. So he's healing up, trying to get back on the men.

The reason why they gave Gil the title shot, I mean, I think Gil was supposed to get the title shot but they were going to have nirmaga medoff was in the mix and they tried to offer him a big fight but he couldn't take it because his knee was up that was like about six months ago i forget what fight he couldn't take but so he's been out for a while too so it's not a bad time for cowboy to catch him you know if you wanted to look at it if you're going to catch him if you're going to catch him it's not a bad time are they both Greg Jackson they both trained no one's a K no they can never go mad okay how about Rostam hobbit love yes a lot of those crazy Russians and Benson be Rostam hobbit love so that was a big win for him. That fucking lightweight division is filled with murderers, man.

Just murderers, bro, man. So many killers. I think Dos Anjos got a really good shot of beating Pettis. Well, you know. I think he's got the best shot. He's got a strong grappling game. He's very physically strong. Look at that Nate Diaz fight.

His grappling game is very strong. He's very fucking big. He's very fit. His leg kicks are nasty as shit. Yeah, he's worked his kickboxing. Yeah, so it's like he's not like an easy out on the feet. It's not like, you know, Pettis could just light him up on the feet. You know, I think it's going to be.

He's just strong, too. Yeah, I think it's going to be on the feet. It'll be interesting to see if Pettis can get off. Pettis is definitely quicker. 100%. And he's definitely more experienced against world-class competition being successful I mean Pettis knocked out cowboy, you know, I mean Pettis is he's something special. He really is The South Pole it's gonna be interesting

Yeah It's gonna be really hard for anybody to stand with Pettis. Yeah, he's too scary Yeah, he doesn't hit so hard with all this the unorthodox stuff I mean he has the craziest kick love to see Connor Aldo do it Yeah, I wanted to see Aldo versus Pettis and they were trying to set that up Where yeah, let me tell you some Pettis was ready to go down to 145. He doesn't give a fuck He's like I want to fight that dude. He goes out there. I'll beat that motherfucker. That's when he hurt his knee Yeah, imagine Pettis going. Remember, they were setting that up.

They were setting up that super fight. Pettis going down to 145 and fighting Aldo would be fucking crazy. Looking at those two guys facing off against each other, that would be insane. That's a super fight. What do you think of Eric Silva? Break him down. Eric Silva is a very aggressive dude. He's a very tough guy.

Like, you look at his fight with Matt Brown. He is a ferocious dude for like the first round or so, round, two rounds. I've never seen him do like like a Nurmagomedov type fight or Dos Angeles fight. Just Dos Angeles the way he ground down Nate Diaz for three rounds. Kicked him, took it out, smashed him, constantly working, constantly working. Eric Silva, I think, especially earlier in his career, tended to run out of gas. Like John Fitch outfitched him.

John Fitch just kind of took him down, mauled him, and stayed on him and wore him out. He just got worn out. He's not the same guy towards the end of the fight. And Matt Brown, that's Matt Brown's world. He's into drowning bitches. Matt Brown drowns motherfuckers. That's what he does.

Eric hurt him. He hurt him in the first round. He hit him with a nasty body kick. He's got a real good left kick to the liver. He throws that kick. He'll throw it like a front kick too. He'll throw it that way too. He's really good with his distance with his kicks.

He's super aggressive. His ground game is real solid. But to me, it's like he's emotional or something or too much adrenaline or something, but it doesn't seem to hold a pace that he can sustain. And if you get in there with a guy like Matt Brown, you've got to know when to lay off the gas, man. You've got to know what kind of shape you're in.

And Matt Brown exposes people. He did Wonderboy he exposed Wonderboy not I'm not saying this in a negative way towards Wonderboy cuz I think Wonderboy what was exposed in that fight according to my conversation with Wonderboy is that he over trained he said just he was really trying to deal with the cardio and the shit that Matt Brown was throwing out and but he said he might over did it because he was just like real flat and then you know Matt you can't you can't have an off day when you're fighting matt breaks guys right his pace breaks dudes like if you watch matt brown versus eric silva i think matt eventually broke him yeah you know like that oh he's just like what the he's not saying

it's ferocious round's gonna be a beast he's not laying off yeah ben son i got my boy i got my boy Killer B all day. He's going to have his hands full. Your guard right now is so unusual. And the more you concentrate on training with this motherfucker, you're to me are like, I've been waiting for someone to come along outside of Aoki, but of course Aoki always has those crazy tights on. It's so hard to find someone in MMA that understands that

guard correctly and to be able to have the kind of flexibility dexterity you have and wrap guys up you're gonna see you get into positions like Jason day was when he fought Alan Belcher in Canada he wrapped him up in that mission control and dropped some bows on a man and you realize like if someone is good at this position, you leave someone incredibly vulnerable, incredibly vulnerable. It's just that position is there all day, the position to lock up arms, mission control,

in order to get to, like, a good place of completely controlling a guy in a way that you rarely see in closed guard. The technique is around in grappling. I mean, you see it in grappling. But in MMA, it's fairly not. And it's not because it doesn't work. But to me, it's like wheel kicks. Like, for the longest time, we just didn't see them

and everybody didn't think they worked. And then Barbosa lands that fucking nuclear weapon on Terry Adam and everybody's spinning now. Vitor's winning with spinning heel kicks. Knocks out Luke Rockhold with a fucking spinning. Junior Dos Santos hits Mark Hunt with it. I mean, I think that once someone sees what a guy like you is capable

of off of his back, it opens up so much defensive possibilities and so much offensive possibilities too. Like, you're way safer defensively and your offense off your back in positions that people don't think they're vulnerable for. You know, like, everybody puts their fucking hands on the mat in the UFC. Everyone does. Everyone does. And your offense off your back in positions that people don't think they're vulnerable for you know Like everybody puts their fucking hands on the mat in the UFC everyone everyone does everyone does you put your hands on the mat?

At his school, and you're gonna have an elbow problem. Who do you do your stand up shit snapped? Or you're gonna get your next snap. He was in Cole Miller's corner. Okay? Yeah, he's uh No, Gucci the great thing about Ben is The great thing about Ben is, I've had so many MMA fighters come through and try to add the rubber guard or other techniques to their MMA game. And sometimes someone will come and their striking will be really bad. They got really good jiu-jitsu. They want to do MMA. They just started striking six months ago.

They want to add rubber guard. I'm like, okay, we're going to add rubber guard. But, man, like you got a long way to go with your striking, you know. Or a guy will come from a wrestling background, really good wrestler, not that good striking, just started jiu-jitsu. He wants to do MMA. We got a lot to work on. We got to work on a lot of other jiu jitsu than rubber guard we're not just going to work on rubber guard we got to get your passing together we got to get your guard retention together we got to get

so much other stuff together like this is a long-term project but they're they're awesome yeah they're awesome people and then sometimes you have a tremendous striker coming to me. Man, I want to learn some rubber guard. Mike has zero wrestling, and his jiu-jitsu is blue belt level, and the same with him. You have tremendous striking. That's awesome. But, man, dudes are going to try to take you down,

and you've got to have guard retention skills. You've got to have just so much other pieces of the game that it's not just rubber guard. So it's a lot of things that you've got to work on. But when Ben came to me, he came to me with UFC experience. He came to me as a black belt from Ricardo Laborio. So I don't have to really work on anything else, but just really. And he's got tremendously long legs for his size.

He's 6'2", 6'3", but he's got the legs of a dude that's 6'8", and they're super flexible. He's super flexible, and a lot of guys that come to me, they're ready to fight, they're doing pretty good, but they don't have the flexibility. We've got to get the flexibility together. That could take a year. That could take two years. That could take three years. That could take two months, depending

on how much time they're willing to put in to their flexibility. Ben came to me already a black belt for Ricardo Laborio, already had his flexibility, already was playing versions of the rubber guard. He was already bringing his legs up. And he's an amazing striker. Jesus Christ.

It's really easy for Mike. He wants to stand up. He don't even want to take it to the ground, but it just seems like at least his last two opponents in the UFC wanted to take him down. What was his name, Seth Heatherly? Chris Heatherly. He wanted to take you down.

He saw your tape. When you look at the tape, and to be honest with you, I'm so buried. I've been buried with just life the last few years. I haven't kept up with MMA like I want to. I just don't have the time. And I never watched Bellator. When Ben went to Bellator, I kind of lost track.

I saw one or two fights. I lost track. Jesus. So, beast. Did he just kick you just through? What happened? He's a hell of an athlete, too. He's just warming up.

He just threw a wicked fucking round kick. This is also his 10th fight in this arena. All his fights, when coming up, all his fights were in this arena. This is just another day in the office. Whatever we're going to say about anything else, let's wrap it up before we get to this fight. Yeah, real quick. I just wanted to finish what I was saying about Ben. He came to me, and I really didn't know how good of a striker he was.

He knocked the letter. I'm just the one who came up to him and said, what do you know about a striker? He's pretty good. He's got good knees, right? I remember the killer being knees. He goes, dude, go watch him on YouTube. This guy is fucking a super killer.

So I went and I watched the highlight reel of Ben Sonner's. And when you watch a highlight reel, like, oh, shit, here's a highlight reel of him fucking starching dudes and fucking them up with all sorts of shit. Knees, head kicks, spinning back fists, elbows, boom. Man, it makes it easier to teach someone when they're already coming as a killer. Team Killer B. What do you think Benson Henderson's weighing right now as he gets into the octagon?

Like, how much do you think he was cutting? What do you think he probably weighs weighing right now as he gets into the octagon? How much do you think he was cutting? What do you think he probably weighs right now? 175, 180. I'd say 170. 171. So you think that's all he weighed before he started his cut down to 155? Yeah. He just fought.

He just fought. It's hard to put back on weight. He just fought. Brandon Satch is head coach, Leister Bowling, wrestled in college with ben henderson and they're super close and that's what he was saying the advantage is ben walks around at maybe 170 barely and we know thatch on a strict diet lean as fuck will enter the octagon night at 190 which is crazy man wow so there's a big difference in the size so you're talking about we're probably looking at a 15-pound plus difference. There's your boy, Joe Riggs.

15 pounds, and you're talking about a dude who's a KO artist, too, at 170. Right. That's his shit. He looks the same. He doesn't look any bigger. But grappling's different. Right. But grappling will be the difference.

What I was going to say is, has he ever fought someone at this level? Because Benson is at a very high level. I agree. No, he hasn't. This is this level? Because Benson is at a very high level. I agree. No, he hasn't. This is like the biggest. He fought Paulo Thiago in Brazil. Yeah, but Paulo Thiago is nowhere as good as Benson Henderson is. I know.

All due respect to Paulo. That's the highest level he's fought. Yeah. It was in Brazil. Odds are against him. You mean supplement-wise? Yes. I love that you said yes.

Just kidding. Well, I wonder how many guys man how many guys did get the fucking free pass from the doctor my friend don't worry about this I got the right urine for you in this one I mean it had to have happened somewhere along the line in some country

where a local guy got a free pass on a drug test that would be a giant scandal. If we found out that someone in the athletic commission in some place was involved in doping someone, like helping some fucking super Geronimo type dude. You know what's crazy? It wouldn't surprise me. No, it wouldn't surprise me.

It wouldn't surprise me. I was more surprised about Bruce Jenner turning into a chick. Straight up. That surprised the shit out of me turning into a chick. Straight up. That surprised the shit out of me. It was shocking. Shocking. I want to go back to the podcast when we were ragging on Callan about it and listening to it. It's an Olympian.

One of the best Olympians ever, son. It's an Olympian. Is he the first Corn Flakes box or something like that? Wheaties. Wheaties, son. Corn Flakes. I wish they would give Bruce Buffer more air time. He's doing all this cool shit right now.

He's got the most longevity in the UFC. Well, people are more into what he does now. Even the UFC appreciates it now. Like these wacky moves. They used to be embarrassed by his wacky moves. Isn't it true that Eddie Bravo gave him the idea and the inspiration for the Buffer 360? No, no, no, no, no. I had the Buffer, the Matrix Buffer.

The Matrix Buffer was a different one. He never ran with it. It was too hard. The 360. It was too hard because there was one where... Wait, wait, wait, don't say it was too hard. Say the fans weren't ready for it. I wanted him to do this move where

instead of just going like that or spinning and going like that, like him going like this, keeping eye contact. Oh, my God. Coming through like that. I like that. I can't even that like him going like this like keeping eye contact oh my god coming through like that i like that i can't even do it you have to practice but the idea is like like that yeah you didn't want to do it you got to have some good back flexibility to do that

can you imagine if you went like that you keep eye contact keep eye contact and even like that joe you know what's weird i like it let's say let's say thatch knocks him out what's it do for thatch because ben's really a giant five puts him on the map puts him on the map right yeah it's such a big way big way but in 170 does it does it make a statement 170 yes because he he talked about doing 170 before everybody knows he's a big 155 or he's a world champion. I mean, Benson Henderson is legit world champion class fighter. UFC champion.

He's stepping up to 70 for sure, but for Thatch, that's a giant win. And for Benson, it's to let everybody know, hey, I can fuck some people up at 170 too, including really dangerous, unheralded young guys that no one wants to fight. And that's Thatchch there's a lot of dudes that do not want to fight that guy you

know I know a couple guys turn the fight god damn he's big yeah he's a thick dude this is gonna be a hard fight athletic to man grappling's always been his his Achilles heel And you can tell like so nice to doubt in his mind man least has been working on with him like a Motherfucker mother at least who knows his shit man. He's been sleeping in the wrestling room least of bowling's mr. Bowling yeah, and Elliot Marshall helping me go. It's you here we go 454 if you want to keep up with us go 454 if you want to keep up with us that's a super star in Denver to man I don't you saw the billboard look up commie is here to walking him down cleared size difference I love Ben

though man that's real confident God switching stances making a miss well Benson's got to get some respect here for sure he's got a tag him with something that gives him at least some concern because I tell you what if he shoots though thatches knees man they're legendary in Denver really damn you can all you see is kind of he's just waiting for him to shoot. His knee is fucking nasty. You're chewing into the mic.

Oh, shit. I'm sorry. Last chip. Last chip. Good body shot by Ben. Yeah, but... You were really loud. There. Get going.

Damn. Oh, my God. You don't want to be in the clinch with Thatch either, man. Dude, this fucking kid's stand-up is good. Nice set-up there. I like how he faked with the right to set up distance for the left. He's super creative, man. Look at that.

Benson throws that hook. The last guy who I saw as creative as thatches cups Watson All right. Yeah, that's amazing. And you said that he's been trained by his dad since he was a little kid sit Yeah, since he's in diapers man, that's cool He used to come in the gym and we literally just watch him just destroy cats with knees South Paul right traditional stance. I like how he switches back and forth effortlessly Yeah, look at that nice check there to real He switches f. Ooh nice right hand to the body great body shot by Benson

Henderson's back, but he's chasing him down But listen the longer this goes the better is for Ben that's his biggest fuck Big kick to the body. This is no right hand over the top right hand over the top by Thatch. God damn. These look like different weight classes. You remember too, Thatch, like I said, he's fought in this arena eight or nine times. He's a main event. Pretty uncomfortable here. He's used to being the star attraction.

So what you're saying is... He's nervous. Has nasty elbows too, man. Oh, damn. A hard inside leg kick. Checked by Henderson. Dude, he's big.

Oh, nice front kick by Henderson to knock him down. Doesn't hurt him, but keeps him honest. Get all off your back. South paw. Dude, he hits hard. You can see it. Get all off your back. Southpaw. Dude, he hits hard. You can see it. He's very fluid with his kicks, man. See how he's switching traditional southpaw?

Nasty. Yeah. He's super fluid, man. Oh. Oh, he's trying to set up a kick. See how he's dropping his hands? Standing sideways looking for the spin, my friend. If I'm Ben's coach, I'm saying get him against the cage and wear him out, man.

Get him to the third and fourth round. He's setting something up. He's like he's setting a spin up. Yeah, it looks like he's setting up a spinning. Yeah, I agree. He keeps doing it. Like, he keeps leading with that left. When he gets that left forward, he's looking to spin with his right side.

But he just isn't pulling the trigger on it. He's thinking about it too much. That was a nice inside leg kick. Great body shot. I like that body shot. Benson has landed that a couple of times. You do not want to be in that clinch, son. You're so much stronger.

Damn, that's where five minutes is a long time. This kind of scrap. Ooh, nice body kick by Henderson. I'm interested to see Thatch in the third and fourth round. Oh. Dude, he's going after Benson. Going after him, man. Oh, nice jab. Great knee. Damn. going after Benson going after him man oh nice job great new damn big kick up high Ooh, nice.

Nice combo by Henderson. Made him switch. God, he's fast at cutting them off. And that's just from a karate background, you said? Karate background. And his main sparring partner is Matt Brown. Whoa. Matt Brown and Neil Magny are the guys that rotate in on him.

Matt Brown lives on his couch when he does his camps in Denver. No shit. Yep. Matt Brown lives in Cleveland, right? Yeah. Cincinnati or Cleveland? I think Cincinnati. Columbus?

Columbus, yeah. Columbus, Ohio, right? Yeah, Columbus, Ohio. Because I know he trains at Westside Barbell. Yeah, exactly. He does some stuff with that Lewis Simmons guy. Those guys are badass. I got one of those reverse hypers in thebell. Yeah, exactly. He does some stuff with that Louis Simmons guy. Those guys are badass. I got one of those reverse hypers in the back.

Oh, sweet. Dude. I just did a seminar with the powerlifting people, the strongest woman in the world and her husband and shit, and it's fucking phenomenal. It's awesome shit. And really it's something that all fighters, as far as when you see guys lose knockout power,

dudes that used to have it, starching dudes, and then they don't, and it's like they're just tapping dudes now i feel like their their training has been misused in a way as you're saying yeah and they and they and they actually lose that power because it's it's weird it's like it's like what jiu-jitsu it's the same thing like we're we didn't see a lot of rubber guard for a long time and now it's like creeping in and all that kind of stuff but it's like there's a time in in mma where there was nobody there was nobody that was pushing a guard game. They're like, stand up and scrap again, right?

And that's because the coaches didn't know any better. And now a lot of guys like Dwayne Ludwig's in the world that are like actual fighters that came out, and now they can put that together. That's changing the whole face of it, I think. So you mean like now we're seeing that with strength and conditioning? Is that what know so you mean like now we're seeing that with strength and conditioning So we're saying now we're seeing that was strength and conditioning as well. Yeah, well you never forget It's a bunch of people who don't know right hook by Benson that Marv Marinovich Camps those Marmar Marinovich camps at BJ went through for the best

Performances of his career, you know, he hated doing it but man watch BJ when he fought Diego Sanchez. He was a motherfucker Yeah, sure. See right. He's doing all He was a motherfucker. That was at USC, right? He was doing all that at USC? Yeah, he was doing all kinds of crazy shit. I mean, there's videos of him working out. He said he was so tired at night he couldn't even pick up his baby. You know, he said he was just exhausted. But, ooh, Benson caught him.

But the result was incredible. Oh, looking for a knee. Yeah, those knees, man. The result was incredible. Oh, looking for a knee. Yeah, those knees, man. The result was incredible. I mean, BJ in that kind of tip-tip-top condition is such a motherfucker, man. Did you see the Roots of Fight BJ documentary? They sent that to you? Yeah, they did.

I haven't watched it yet, though, but I heard it's amazing. It's awesome. That way you're wearing a BJ pin shirt? Well, they sent it to me, but I just watched the documentary yesterday. Respect to BJ. Makes a difference. Yeah, BJ was a beast, man. There's Leister bowling Christian Allen, the masterminds behind Brandon Thatch.

Oh, nice. Now, do you think Thatch is starting to slow down? Yeah, it looks like it, doesn't it? Yeah. It's interesting to see Thatch in the third and fourth round, man. Well, how about the fifth if he gets into that, right? But what is the knock on him as far as his conditioning? He's knocking everyone out in the first round, so we really don't know.

I mean, in training, he's always been a beast because he's so comfortable. As long as this is all stand-up, he can do ten rounds. If Ben starts grappling with him I think Brandon's gonna be in some trouble do you think maybe Benson might know that it might be like looking to stand with him with the first couple of rounds and then wear him down the third fourth and fifth and then start taking him down if you had to be in his corner yeah that's exactly what I'd say to do well the thing is is like I said Leister Bowling is really good friends with Ben, and Ben's head coach, Crouch, they just talked like when Cowboy and Ben fought. Oh, man.

They just talked, and he told them, he goes, yeah, the best guy in our camp right now is Brandon Thatch. And he told them about him. He's like, he's this monster. The next thing you know, they're fighting each other. Dude, that switch that he – oh, spinning back kick to the body. That switch that he does where it makes it look like he's going to throw a right kick and then he sets up the left or a left kick and he sets up the right. That switch that he does where it makes it look like he's going to throw a right kick and then he sets up the left or a left kick

and he sets up the right. That's some beautiful shit, man. That's something you only see in high-level kickboxing most of the time. Good jab at that. I really wish Ben would grapple, man. Ooh, nice jab. He's got to be waiting for it. Or maybe he just thinks the dude's too big.

He doesn't want to fuck with that. Oh! Ben's a high-level grappler-wrestler, man. That's a beautiful fucking jab right hand or jab left hand. But then Ben just went for a leg. But that might be to keep him honest, you know? I think Ben needs to switch it up. Get him guessing, man.

Ben is throwing a lot of right hooks to the body over and over again. Did he lose his balance right there? Nah, it looks like he got rocked a little bit. He should have come back and tried to press him on the fence, see if he could hold him Ben looks like he's a little rocked. To risk being pinned against the fence by him would be death. Good body shots. I bet he goes up top soon.

Good move moving these main event fights to five rounds, right? Except for the fighters. It's so much more entertaining. Yeah. For the fighters, especially in camp. Yeah. Ooh, nice straight left.

It is great to watch, but you've got to think they can't. Like Stipe Miocic and Junior Dos Santos. Like how many of those can you do? Oh, damn right. He needs to not stay down here, though. Wow. Like, how many of those can you do? Oh! Damn ragdoll. He needs to not stay down here, though. Wow. He just tossed him down.

What happened? Eye poked there or something? Something happened. Maybe. I love that show of respect in the middle of combat. Those guys just hugged. No one's even talking about it. Oh, beautiful jab. And then switches stance. He's even talking about it. Oh, beautiful

jab. And then switches stance. He's got angles, man. Dude, he's very creative, man. Very creative. Look at that! Ragdolled him again! He needs to let him up, though. Don't stay on there, Ben. How about keep holding on that leg and kicking the shit out of it?

Dude. Man. I mean, I think if Ben's going to try and win this, he needs to go for singles. Even if he doesn't get them. I like that right hook to the body that Ben's stepping in with. That is, he's landed that a lot, man. That's a nasty shot. Yeah, at least five or six times. Yeah, that's landed that a lot man. That's a nasty shot Yeah, that's a nasty shot man

He might be trying to set up the up top right get a guy to get used to cover Covering that because he expects it and then go over the top. I think that just said nothing head kick He keeps going low into the body Well, he would think that he would have an advantage in speed but what he might have an advantage is is his pace the ability to keep that pace up for five rounds he's done that so many times like benson is a master at understanding his own limitations as far as like cardio like he keeps a solid pace he knows exactly how to redline it and he could redline it for five rounds he knows his body real well in wars.

You know? I mean, think of those Frankie Edgar fight. Like, he's gone some hard five-round fights, you know? That's a huge advantage, especially knowing you've been there. You know the territory. Yeah, yeah. As opposed to Thatch. I think that's his biggest advantage in this fight,

and I don't feel like he's using it. I've got to be honest. Well, we're going into round three now. I mean, this is right when he if you know you got to think John Crouch his coach one of the geniuses of MMA there's like a handful of geniuses like Matt Hume for us the hobbies one of my favorite Greg Jackson has a lot of knowledge you know Ricardo laborio is a genius of MMA there's like these there's a few maestros. John Donaher, there's a few of them. John Crouch is one of them.

So when you're agreeing to fight a kid like this, he's not dumb. He knows this kid's a fucking giant savage. There's got to be some thought to what the proper strategy is. And you know the kid as good as anybody. And your thoughts are third round, fourth round, fifth round.

Turn it on now. Yes. If I'm Ben's coach, I'm saying, all right, now let's start mixing up, grappling, go for shots, wear his ass out. He's clearly lost two rounds, though. Clearly. Most likely, yeah. It's in Denver, too.

And he had double underhooks at one time when they were transitioning out on a failed spin, and he didn't even try to take them down. I thought he would have tried to dump him. And it is in Denver, too. It's in Denver. It might have felt it. That's his hometown. He felt it, and then he went away.

Yeah, yeah. But there was like 17 seconds left. Also high altitude, short notice fight. Good head kick. Yeah, he went front leg round kick to the head. You don't see that that often. No switch. I bet we see some takedowns here.

Benson's got a lot of Taekwondo in him as well, man. I mean, that was his initial background. Well, the thing is is we've seen to take downs both from that yep and they were ragdoll take downs to take down to the trip someone to say pitch he thought he got the point yeah you know i'd like to have right hook to the body that benson's been thrown it's a very interesting to me.

Like, oh, shit. Oh, and the right hand behind it. God damn. Oh, he's so big. He's really good at, I mean. I'm going to freak out if Ben doesn't attempt to take down him. I'm going to freak out and eat this mic. I don't think he can take him down.

You got to attempt it, man, because you're getting fucking picked apart. Do you think he's getting picked apart? I wouldn't say it that much. I don't think he's getting picked apart. Yeah, but you know what, man? I wouldn't say it that much. I don't think he's getting picked apart. You know what, man? I don't think he likes the way it feels. I feel like he feels how strong those hips are and he's like, fuck this, abort. Which is crazy. He almost did it again.

There we go. Let's keep him against the cage. This is 170, bro. This is 170. I know, but you're wearing Thatch out. He's not a grappler by nature. Look at this, bro. This is 170. I know, but you're wearing Thatcher out. He's not a grappler by nature. Look at this, though. This is 170.

This is a different thing. If you're going to win, this is exactly what you're going to do. Even if you don't get it. He's savage. Even if you don't get it. He's too big. I know. That's fine.

Thatcher's uncomfortable here. I guarantee you Thatcher's going to slow down after this. I'm listening to Brendan. He might slow himself down. Oh, look at this. I'm listening to Brendan Shaw. Brendan knows himself down. Oh, look at that. I'm listening to Brendan Shaw. Brendan knows the kid. He's giving up the back.

Giving up the back. Now you've got a black belt on your back, son. Wow. Giving up the back and big, deep breaths. And now confusion and a loss of confidence as well, right? Yes. And this is Ben's world. He's a grappler.

Yeah. This is what he does. But Brendan Fats has got to grapple a little bit. Come on. Not like Ben Henderson. Ben Henderson is a true. Oh! Look at him trap that arm.

Trap the arm. Thatch got out of it pretty quick, though. But look at, you know, he's letting him know, like, some shit's going down. Yeah, son, you're my world. Yeah. Sweet stand-up. Check this out. We're in the third round, too.

You're in a bad spot here, kid. Hold on to that glove if you want to save your life. Did you just do that? Sweet stand-up. Now this out. We're in the third round, too. You're in a bad spot here, kid. Hold on to that glove if you want to save your life. Sweet stand-up. He's hit him in the dick. Oh, look at Thatcher's eye, man. Look at his right eye. Is that swollen, or is it just the angle we're looking at? No, it's swollen.

And you know how it is. If you're not really a grappler by nature, when someone has your back, your heart's fucking 100 miles an hour right now. So even if he doesn't submit them here, we're going this fourth round, you're in trouble, bro. Dude, Benson's making some progress with that right arm. He's moving that right arm closer and closer. I mean, he's under the armpit with the other one.

But I'm seeing some give. You know what I'm saying? You know how when you see a guy start to pull on a guy's neck, and you see the guy on the other side start to give? He's like, I see giving. You know what I'm saying? I feel you. It's tough with the gloves, man, to submit a guy.

Even if he's a blue belt. Body triangle. Body triangle. Dude, I see him softening up, man. He's got a minute 18 to go. This fight could be over right fucking here, look. Body triangle. Body triangle. Dude, I see him softening up, man. He's got a minute 18 to go. This fight could be over right fucking here, man. Minute 18 is a long time. It's a long time.

With a dude on your back. And his eyes swollen. We got a good look at his right eye. He's doing a good job of defending this long. That tells me he's probably not going to get him. This is exhausting, though, for Thatch. He could be burnt. Yeah, this is really exhausting, son.

Wait for the fourth round. This is exciting stuff, man. He could be resting. This is really exhausting, son. Wait for the fourth round. This is exciting stuff, man. He could be resting right here. See, you look at Benson's back, two angel wings. The next round, that's just going to be on fire. I mean, he knows all he has to do is survive. He could be resting right here. Yeah.

It's going to take a lot out of Thatch, man. Thatch has never faced diversity like this. You got to realize, all Thatch's wins were first round KOs. It's not a body triangle. His right eye looks like shit, man. His right eye looks like shit. Both of them are fucked up. Yep, you're right.

They're both fucked up. Nice eyebrows, though. Yeah, I'm not mad at those tweezed eyebrows. Oh, they went to spiderweb. 20 seconds to go and thatch is up. Now we'll see what he's got. That was smart, though. He had to go for something, right?

Yeah. Yep. This round ends. Fourth round. He's got to fix his ponytail now. Straight single leg if I'm Ben. Might as well. It's loose, Eddie.

Whatever. Look at that. He just wants to stay away. You give that round to Ben, right? Yeah. So you got two to one going to the fourth. Two to one going to stay away. You give that round to Ben, right? Yeah. So you got two to one. Going to the fourth. Two to one, going to the fourth.

And the grappling's been established that he's super dominant on the ground. The only reason why he lost that position is because he went for the arm. True. I'll say this. Who's more tired? Benson or Thatch? Thatch. Thatch.

Thatch. I'm saying defending that, easy day. Trying to attack the back. It's not an easy day if you're not a black belt. If you're a blue belt, which I would say Thatch is probably a blue belt attack the back. It's not an easy day If you're not a black belt if you're a blue belt which I I would say that just probably a blue belt on the ground But I know that's the one big explosion was the arm other than that. It was just control I mean when he's tight and when he's under the armpit and he's across the neck there was no commitment There was no real crazy day in the office. Yeah, but there's no look crazy like go

You know the go for a guillotine hail Mary that see the guy's arms gas out. There was none of that There was the explosion to get to spiderweb, but I mean that was one big burst Yeah Other than that it was thatch ate more energy because that's was trying to keep that guy off his neck He was uncomfortable. He's got fuck in my hometown. I'm getting choked rolled all the doors That's a beast. Flattened out with a body triangle on his back. Shit got real.

Now you're right on. Both eyes are all swollen and shit. His braids are all fucked up out the back. He didn't fix his ponytail. I shoot for that single leg if I'm Ben. Yeah, man. Yeah. Now he's thinking about it too. Maybe mix it up. You shoot, hit him with the right hand.

Well, he also knows that he can dominate him on the ground. Yeah, he can do it. Yeah, I mean, that's just a fact. I'm surprised that that's just standing up so high still. He's still got that high kickboxer stance. And that was the reason he got impatient in that scramble and wasn't smart defensively. He wanted to just get back up to his feet.

Instead of minus Ps and Qs and recognizing he's in a bad spot. And that recklessness, carelessness, and trying to get back up to his feet is where he gave his background. That comes from grappling experience. That's just not his background. He just wants to get the fuck out of there.

He's like, I don't want to stay in this spot. But in doing so, he got to a way worse spot, which is really the essence of jiu-jitsu, right? Capitalizing on mistakes. Even if Thatcher loses this fight, he's going to learn so much from this fight that it's going to help him in the future. Because he's never fought a really, really good grappler like this. And gone into deep waters with a world champion. This is the best thing for Thatcher's career to ever happen.

Win or lose. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. And it's a smart way to do it, too, go in a world champion coming up from a lower weight class So you have some advantages going in? Ben no keep that on the inside. It's not gonna happen either way. This is wearing that's out. I like this sprawl dude sprawl double Come up with a yeah, let's make him defend and then go after it again, right? Yeah, he's throwing his striking off with those takedowns. Look how slow Thatch is becoming.

Dude, and he stands so tall. Nice knee. He's taller to begin with. Oh, that right hand to the body again. This plan only works if Ben's cardio is on point. Well, it most likely will be. Yeah. To me, it looks like Thatch is fine, and he's coming forward.

He's definitely not the same fighter he was in the first two rounds. No, but the fifth round at altitude, you're in Denver, son. Sorry about it, but I think Thatch is going to last here. And the fifth round is going to be tough. But Benson trains at altitude, too, in Arizona. And most of Ben's career was spent in Colorado. John Crouch started in Denver. So this is nothing new to Ben.

It is to acclimate. Oh! Beautiful timing. Timing. Beautiful timing. That was beautiful timing. Stepping over that leg. Look at this.

Hey, you sued my friend. This fifth round is going to be a beast. Oh, my friend you got a long the time arm triangles coming stepping over look at this I control my friend oh I did the same thing again who did like the position didn't like the position Oh hook in like the position. Oh, hook in. Got that hook in easy. Doesn't mean he's going to choke him. No. Doesn't mean he's going to choke him, but he's winning the round. Yeah, he's going to win the round.

Elliott's looking at this, making a list. He's going to try to go for the arm bar again, man. They knew this, though. He's going to try to go for the arm bar again. Oh, look at that. Very nice. Look at this, though. But still.

I don't like this being on top, man. I'd rather have him on my back, I think. You got a high-level grappler on you. Yeah, dude. Benson's no joke. Look at this. Benson transitions easy to the back again. You see a lot of wrestlers do this.

Turn to all fours, hand fight, and stand up. Thatch is a kickboxer. Let's not do that. It's a natural thing. That's his cup. He's trying to get back up. Oh, shit. Can he get back up. Oh, shit. Can he get back up?

Oh, he ragged it. Ragdolled him. It shouldn't be natural, though. You know what I'm saying, Eddie? If you're training right. But in the wild, though. That is whooped. Look how tired he is.

It's a natural. You've got to go around to go after this. This is the world of Benson Henderson right here, son. He's got it. He's got it. That's it. That's it. He got this shit.

He got this shit. It's real close cool it's in you get one that's it that was a great whoo that's a motherfucking always got to get his mouth know what I saw a little bit picking his mouth the whole time that's a good shit he fixed it in the last oh my god I was like I pulled the toothpick out of his mouth right after he tapped. That is so fucked up.

You know, he's going to get in trouble for that. They told him not to do that anymore. What if they rule this a no contest? So crazy. Fights with a fucking toothpick in his mouth. He gets suspended. That's some Charles Bronson shit. He just fought Brendan Thatch with a toothpick in his mouth

I'm a bigger Henderson fan now what because it's no yeah that too for taking on the live that was that was awesome Look at how he finished it. Look at the way he finished it. Yes Look how he finished it look at the way finished it. Yes, see Sort of but it's kind of like this. Yeah, like I said domain either way Brandon's gonna learn a ton from this This is best scenario, but he wins either way Goes up to one said Dan Severn isn't just about see how he's adjusting it up. It's what the legs are doing. Yeah It's a oxymoron actually Yeah. Squeezing down.

It's an oxymoron, actually. Damn. Benson is a bad motherfucker. Love that guy. He's world class, man. He's world class. He fucked up with that toothpick, though. Dude, did you? You can't keep doing that, man.

Can't keep doing that. Why not? Especially if you fuck a guy like Thatch. Let him have fun, Joe. Damn. He got head kicked. It's not the problem. Athletic commissions can get in trouble.

If it turns out that toothpick comes out and pokes somebody in the eye in some strange world where Benson's on top, he gets hit with an up kick, toothpick comes out, drops down, goes into the guy's eyeball. Oh, but they'll let a guy who's doing PEDs fight, and then after the fight be like, oh, he was on PEDs. If Benson was on the podcast, I don't think they're worried about it. Hold on. Is that what happened?

Did they know the test results before the fight? They knew about John Jones. But that's coke. Yeah, but it's out of competition. It's not a performance enhancing drug. I think if they knew that Anderson tested positive before,

it's way more damning than if they knew that John Jones did. They knew that John Jones is doing something that's going to ruin his chances. What about if you're doing coke to just study YouTube videos? What if I'm doing coke to throw a thousand spinning kicks? Yeah, exactly.

A lot of good points here. Everyone is making sense here. And Joe said that y'all aren't going to learn anything. That y'all aren't going to learn anything. It's like a classroom with these girls in here. Y'all aren't going to learn anything. Everyone is making sense. That what? Y'all are what? That y'all aren't going to learn anything. I don't know, man. It's like a classroom with these girls in here. I think toothpicks is the least of our worries. Hey, commission.

For sure get those results back in time. Yeah, that's good. Fuck a toothpick. That is good. Let's get those results back in a couple days. You can't fight with a fucking toothpick in your mouth. You just can't. It's so crazy.

When he stepped out and then pulled a toothpick, he's like flaunting it. I love it. I love it. He then pulled the toothpick, he's like flaunting it. I love it. He steps out, he's got the toothpick out right away. What if that had stopped him? He's like stuck. He did, dude. In the third round. So he had a toothpick in his mouth. It wasn't a mouthpiece thing. He had a toothpick in his mouth when Pettis head kicked him

and dropped him. And that was the side that he tucks it. It'd be more dangerous for himself, right? Oh, it's very dangerous for him. He could choke on it. Those toothpicks get, like, worn out over time. They get all, like, flimsy. They do, bro.

But look how soft it is, man. He must have, like, a... They get all wet. You know what I'm saying? He's got a weird way. He's got a weird way of tucking that thing in his mouth. Yeah, that shit is soft as hell. That's like paper at this point.

Let's see what he says. Okay, what? A lot of times, guys, you have to do something you don't know. Our biggest fear is not that we're, you know, inactive. Our biggest fear is that we're a powerful, built measure. Remember that, guys, you know? Okay, what? It's from the YouTube. Remember that, guys. Remember that.

Yeah, I'll remember that. You got it, bro. Let me rewind. Okay. Look, Benson Henderson's a bad motherfucker. That was a huge victory. He essentially fought your game plan, what you thought he should do. I mean, that what you thought he should do i mean that's really what he did yeah that's exactly what he did he hung with him on the feet for the first round lost probably the first and second round and then took him into some deep water that's just a funny guy i hope they interview him for the first five minutes

I hope they interview him. That's exactly what he did. Tight move. Yeah. Fucking toothpick. I know. I know. Local fights, you guys, whether you're winning or defending, you're seeing a championship. Every win you have is the most important win of your career. Congratulations.

The toothpick's slurring his speech. He's giving philosophy lessons. He's so crazy with that toothpick. He's dropping knowledge on bitches. Hard to keep up, but he's dropping knowledge. I hear there's a big name McDonald up in Canada who needs a fight. So if he still needs it, I'm game. It's a hell of a fight.

Oh, shit. That's a hell of a fight. Oh, shit. Benson Henderson just said it. Yeah, when you stare across the octagon at that fucking psycho, you might want to rethink that. That 170-pound psycho. Talking about Canadian psycho? The Canadian psycho? I mean, there's a big difference between stepping up to, like,

arguably number two welterweight in the world. That's a big difference. They need to give him a title shot. Yeah. Don't make him fight Hector roided out of his gills. Hector's not going to fight for a long time now. But goddamn Benson Henderson's a bad motherfucker to step up like that and say he wants to fight Rory McDonald after that fight.

Benson is a bad motherfucker, dude. He's the new BJ. He's so good. He's so good. Yeah, Thatcher has a long career ahead of him. This is a great learning experience. He's coming off that layoff, right? It was like a year or something? Well, he had some injuries, right?

Bro, Thatcher threw a kick in practice. It hit the kid's face. It might have been Matt Brown. It hit Matt Brown's face. Compound fractured his big toe. Compound fractured. So the fucking threw the skin, bones out of the skin, yeah. That's why he was out for so long. Oh, that's what happened? Jesus Christ.

Oh, I saw the picture of that. There was like a picture of it online, wasn't there? Nasty, man. Yeah. You see how he did that heel kick? Yeah. We don't see enough of that. Dude, Benson's badass. Dude, he is badass. Can you imagine him versus Rory? Rory needs a fight, too.

That would be amazing. I'd love to see Rory just get a title shot. With that Corey Hill fight happening. Yep. This podcast is over. This is a huge win for Benson Henderson. That was fucking tremendous. I'm so impressed with this dude.

So impressed with him. He's a beast. So cool. That was such a hard fight, too. That's it for the podcast. Eddie Bravo, what's up next? EBI 3, March 22nd. Eddie Bravo Invitational,

March 22nd. Working people information. EddieBravoInvitational.com It's at the Orpheum, downtown LA. Justin Miles, what's your website again? www.jam Don't ever say www.jam personaltraining.com

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