The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - February 22, 2015

Episode Date: February 22, 2015

Joe is joined by Eddie Bravo, John Wayne Parr, Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen to watch the fights on February 22, 2015.

Hey, none of that. Come on. Yeah, we're live. Alright, fight day, folks. Fight Companion Podcast. If you listen to this podcast and think, oh, here's another pod- What is a Fight Companion Podcast? Fight Companion Podcast is a podcast that we do while we're watching the UFC. So if you're tuning into it, what it's like is it's like you're watching the fights with friends that you don't really know. But there you go. So, Brendan Chobb is here, ladies and gentlemen. Motherfucking Big Brown in the house.

Brian Callen is here, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can't wait. Oh, yeah. And, of course, Edgy Bra, also known as Eddie Bravo. Edgy Bra. That's what they taught when we were in Brazil.

That's what they called him. Joe Marrera. It was Joe Marrera. That was the first giant tournament that there was in L.A. Joe Marrera, he was the main promoter. And in my division, there was 45 guys. We're all blue belts in my division. And you have to sit there and listen to him call out everyone's name.

And I'm sitting there. I'm waiting for him to call my name. He looks at the clipboard. Then he looks up and goes, there's your bra. I'm standing right in front of him bra I'm standing right in front of him I'm standing right in front of him I'm like, man When are they going to call my name?

Here's your bra I'm like, fuck And then someone would say Dude, I think he's saying your name No way I could never guess your nationality By the way I'm looking at you right now

Never I was just in Mexico And I was leaving And you had to go through Mexican customs And the guy looked at my passport Just today He looked at my passport, just today, he looked at my passport,

says, Edgar Alberto Bravo. He looks at it. Tu eres Latino? I go, and I had to speak Spanish. My Spanish sucks, but I can say,

Nací en Los Angeles, pero mi papá es de Chihuahua y mi mamá de Guadalajara. I can say that. Not bad. It sounds like I speak really good Spanish. It does. I got that mastered. I've said that a million times. I sounds like I speak really good Spanish. Yes, it does. I got that mastered.

I've said that a million times. I got that shit wired. So I said that, and he was convinced. Makes sense. Just stamped my shit. You look Thai. Let's be honest. He's a Jaffa hoe.

You're a muscular Thai man. He could definitely be some expat dad. Went over there with PTSD. 100%. Fuck some unfortunate Thai lady. I grew up in a Filipino. Remember when they shipped the Filipinos in in the 80s? Sure.

Or the late 70s? I was part of the shipment. No, but I was born there. Does anybody know these guys? Sean Strickland, who we're looking at right now. Yeah. I was hitting himself. Strickland undefeated.

He's a cutie And Santiago Boy they got his name blocked off Good job UFC Fucking website designers He looks like he's in a different weight class He put the guy's head In front of his fucking name 20 and 2

Yeah That's a 20 and 2 Santiago How do you say his name? Ponzinibu Ponzinibu Ponzinibu Is he from Brazil?

Everyone There's gonna be like a lot of people from Brazil Because his card is live from Brazil. So if you're tuning in and you're trying to figure out how the fuck do we sync it up, because the internet is always going to be a few seconds slower than live action. So what we're seeing and what you're seeing is going to be a little different. So pause your TV. That's the best way.

Pause your TV and maybe count to 10. And I'm going to tell you exactly when I see five minutes on the best way. Pause your TV and like maybe count to 10. And I'm going to tell you exactly when I see five minutes on the first round. It's about to start. Now. It says 4.58. Right now. 4.57, 4.56, 4.55. There you go. Alright, we're synced up. Ponzinibu and Strickland.

Oh. Remember there was only three or four Brazilian fighters? And now there's hundreds of thousands. Do you know how many fighters are in the UFC roster now? Tell you a guess. 80. 500. Yeah, he's right.

500. Wow. Isn't that insane? What? 500, yeah. And that really is Ponziniba with the right hand. That expanded. That's not a joke.

Oh, Strickland with a nice uppercut. How do they have, I thought they had like maybe 100 people on their roster, period. No, no, they've had a few hundred for a while. They've had like 250, 300. But now, you know, also, I think that with Bellator out there, they've got to make sure they scoop up the young talent as it's coming up. Because what if Bellator gets a hold of a Jon Jones before the UFC does? And they've got some guy over there just rag-dolling people and Jon Jones in them.

And you go, oh, fuck. We missed that guy. You remember probably like two years ago when they were making crazy cuts because they had to get rid of 100 guys in a certain amount of time. And dudes were just getting cut. Yeah, like Jon Fitch and those guys. Well, Jon Fitch got cut. Oh, left hook.

Big left hook by Ponzinibo. Strickland, very experienced, man. Look at him hang on. Very smart. You know how they showed the records, 15-0 and the other guys 20-2? You really don't know guys' records these days. Why do you say that?

Because I feel like in boxing you look more at records. I feel like in MMA. No one cares about records. I see what you're saying. You know the stars. I was confused. I thought you were saying, like, they might not, it might be a bullshit record. Oh, no, no, no.

No, you're saying most people don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you just know the files. I don't know anybody's record. You just know the files. I don't know anybody's record. Like, I couldn't tell you Big Not's record. But were you a boxing fan?

Oh, yeah. When you're a boxing fan, you have to know everybody's record. Yeah, you're right. You have to. It's a 33-1 with 24 knockouts. It's weird, right? You had to fucking know. You had to know everybody in record. Yeah, you're right. You have to. It's a 33-1 with 24 knockouts. It's weird, right? You had to fucking knock. You had to know everybody in the top 10.

It was just, did you go to the, did you open up the box, open up the ring and go right to the standings, like top 10 of every division? I would just stare at that shit and try to memorize it. Did you guys see Gennady Golovkin last night? Yeah, Triple G.

He's a beast, right? Why is it three Gs? What's the third G? Great Gennady Golovkin? Is that it? No, I think triple G, I think in he's from Kajikistan. Well, there's no such thing as

Kajikistan, but what is it? But it is in that area. Brian just got offended. Stupid offended. Oh, I'm sorry, Brian. He treated you like you're an idiot who's giving a speech in front of his class. I looked up at the sky when I said it.

Why are you wearing a scarf, by the way? Because I'm French. I'm keeping my throat warm. 100% your wife dressed you before you got here. That's a lie. That's a lie. 100%. It's cashmere.

It's a cashmere. It's cashmere neck wrap. I don't care if it's made out of leopard. Oh, Strickland's tag. Ponce and Evo's in trouble, man. Strickland, I've not stopped looking at his hair. It's beautiful. I. It's a cashmere. It's cashmere neck wrap. I don't care if it's made out of leopard. Oh, Strickland's tag. Ponce and Evo's in trouble, man. Strickland, I've not stopped looking at his hair. It's beautiful. I'm really attracted to him.

I mean. He's making this motherfucker work, I'll tell you that. He keeps mixing up from punches to takedowns. He's putting a lot of pressure on this guy. A lot taller. He looks Polish. Strickland? Yeah.

He could be anything American. Yeah. He could be from Georgia. He could be French, I hate to tell you. He could be from France. He could be from Czechoslovakia. He could be anything American. Yeah. He could be from Georgia. He could be French, I hate to tell you. He could be from France. He could be from Czechoslovakia. He could be from Kazakhstan. He could have a last name, like Zhenzhechek.

Allez! Johanna Zhenzhechek. I think Gennady Golovkin is from Kyrgyzstan. That might be right. Joe, did you watch the fight, though? I didn't watch it. I was working last night. Have you seen the fight before?

Yeah, I love that guy. He's a beast, right? I love that guy. Oh, head kick by Ponzinibo. Everyone wants to see him versus Andre Ward next. Oh, yeah. That's a great fight. I don't think Andre He's a beast, man. I love that guy. Oh, head kick by Ponzinibo. Everyone wants to see him versus Andre Ward next. Oh, yeah. That's a great fight. I don't think Andre Ward's going to take it.

Why not? Why would he take it? Kovalov, you mean? No, Andre Ward. Hold on. Dude, look at this. Look what's going on. Ponzinibo going off.

It's like Roberto fucking Duran over here. Crazy fight. Fingers in the neck, too. Look at this shit. He's going crazy. Fuck, dude. Oh, that was a hard right hand. Something woke his ass up.

Yeah. Look at him. I don't know what it is, but there's a minute to go and he's still fucking going at it. He's like Rocky Graziano. I can't hear the crowd, but I bet they're going nuts. Which one was a good one? Graziano or Marciano? A little volume on the TV, young Jamie.

Hey, fuck. What were we just talking about? Andre Ward? Yeah. Why wouldn't Andre Ward take that fight? Because we know Triple G, but I don't think Triple G is that big of a star in the States. First of all, Triple G is also a lot lighter. No, he's not.

No, he's not. No, he's not. Shut the fuck up. Because Kovalev is the one who's going to fight. Dude, dude, dude. You're out of your lane. 160, 168, 175. There's three different weight classes they all belong.

Andre Ward, 168, Golovkin, 160. Kovalev, 175. Oh, Kovalev is 175? Are you guys talking about boxing? Yes. Oh, really? Wow, you guys still pay attention? He's a light heavyweight. Oh, really? He wants to fight Miguel Cotto. That's what he wants. Kovalev does? No. Andre Ward does. Triple G wants to fight Miguel Cotto. You guys are really into boxing? Like, for real, huh? Yeah, man, you know what?

I should probably say that on the podcast because a bunch of people asked me because a long time ago I got in this debate on ESPN with that fucking Lou DiBella guy. I saw that. The only reason why I went on that guy like that, two reasons. One, because the UFC wanted me to. Two. They sicked me on this guy because they knew this guy talks a lot of shit about the UFC. And he just started doing all the dumb stuff.

You could trust Joe. Yeah. Joe goes like this. No doubt. Joe goes like this. On that interview, Joe goes, the fact is that boxing is getting swallowed. It's getting swallowed.

You used the word swallowed. I said your sport's getting swallowed by a more dynamic sport. Yeah. You know, but I've always been a boxing fan, just like I'm a kickboxing fan, just like I'm a straight jiu-jitsu fan. I'm a fan of all martial arts.

No, but you're a fan. I'm just not a fan of dummies. But you know a lot about what's going on in boxing. Oh, yeah. All I know is Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are going to fight. They're going to make a billion dollars, right? Well, Golovkin's a very fascinating guy because he's one of the best fighters in the world, and very few people know who he is.

Outside of, like, hardcore MMA fans, everybody knows who Floyd Mayweather is. world and very few people know who he is. Outside of hardcore MMA fans, everybody knows who Floyd Mayweather is. Everybody knows who Manny Pacquiao is. Those are the two guys. But Gennady Golovkin is a fucking murderous puncher. I mean, ooh, with the toes. White guy? Yeah, from Russia.

Beautiful, little cutie, little handsome fellow. White guy? A power? A white guy's in the mix with these floyd mayweather it's russians man is also a russian these murderous punchers are still good right now dude vladimir hasn't beaten been beaten in 10 years not even close but is he fighting the best heavyweights yep yes there's no really good heavyweights we destroyed you don't you don't hear about but he's light years ahead of, he don't hear about these fights.

But he's light years ahead of them. How come you don't hear about these fights? Because his fights are so dominant and he's boring. He boxes them. He just jabs them to death. I love it. He's great. I will watch his fights. And he's fighting the biggest, strongest, fastest.

He can't touch them. That Russian dude made him go to war though. Black dudes too? That Russian dude he fought made him go to war. He got dealt with in the first round. He got dealt with though. He got dealt he got he's fighting the best black dudes yeah yeah really yeah he's fighting everybody yeah he fights his next fight he in uh he is a black guy let's just be honest about some russians are different white people okay they

just are different white cyberians i don't want to say tougher they're tougher they just are look their environment is tougher they live in tougher They just are Look Their environment is tougher They live in a harsher climate Their history is tougher They have a war-torn history They were conquered by the Mongols For 200 plus fucking years You know that's a hard Siberian climate

The country's flat The Mongols fucked them up If you have a flat country People could come in The Asian Chinese looking guys Were ruling over the white guys in the north. A lot of people in Russia, in certain parts of Russia, look Chinese. That's right.

Yeah, along the border, yes. I understand that, but did they conquer Russia? We can't talk at the same time. That's why we're wearing headphones, boys. Huh? Aren't they ahead of us as far as technology, too? Science? Russians? No, they are not. We're wearing headphones, boys. Huh? Aren't they ahead of us as far as technology, too? Who? Science?

Russians? No. No, they are not. We're American. Not anymore. They used to be. I think Anand is from Kazakhstan, and in that area, you do see a lot of Kazakhstanis who look very Asian, way more Asian than Caucasian, whereas Kovalev looks, he's Caucasian.

Yeah, he's Caucasian. And Golovkin is like a mix. Golovkin looks like a mix. Yes. But he's a cute looking guy. Like he could be like the sweet next door neighbor. Yeah. Maybe even the gay neighbor on a sitcom.

Right? He's got some butt. He's got some ass come out. But he comes in and just liver punches you into fucking oblivion. He's a sensational boxer and he's highly aggressive. Well, he's special because he has knockout power in his left hand and right hand. You know, certain guys have certain punches to knock people out he's not guys out with jabs left hooks right hooks uppercuts yeah i saw a highlight clip he dropped the dude with a right hand to the

body it's ridiculous just he's hitting people so fucking hard but america doesn't care america won't jump on board unless you can be good in front of a camera well dude if they if you when i was a kid if someone came along and told me that we were going to have a white heavyweight champion that no one would give a fuck about and no one could beat the guy, I'd be like, that doesn't even make sense. Like, what kind of bizarro world do we live in?

Exactly. That's why I was confused. I was like, wait a minute, he's fighting the best guys. Dominator. When I was totally into boxing, you never heard of such a thing. Dude, he's got a PhD. We had Jerry Cooney. Remember Jerry Cooney a thing. Dude, he's got a PhD. We had Jerry Cooney.

Remember Jerry Cooney? He's brilliant. He's got a PhD. Like, he's a brilliant guy. He plays chess. So is Tex Cobb. Where'd that get him? He just had a kid.

But let me ask you, is Jermaine Taylor, is that his name? Jermaine Taylor? Yeah, he's all fucked up now, too. That's old school. He's doing all kinds of crazy violent shit, like outbursts, pulled a gun on people, got arrested recently. Tech cop? I'm sorry,

not Jermaine Taylor. Not Jermaine Taylor. Who was the guy, the big, the guy who just beat Wilder? Yes. Deontay Wilder?

Deontay Wilder. How would he do against, is he going to fight him? He's not ready. He'll be ready. I mean, he might be ready. He might be able to catch him.

The thing about Klitschko is Klitschko has been knocked out back in the day when he first started working with emmanuel stewart or right before he first started working with emmanuel he went to emmanuel hasn't been touched and he uh when he went to emmanuel emmanuel just completely schooled him cleaned his game up and emmanuel stewart said he's the hardest right hand puncher he's ever seen in his life wow now the guy had lennox lewis in his stable they're different white people. You know what Emmanuel said?

You said it like Joey. Habib Nurmagomedov. That's a different kind of white person. Yeah. That's a different white person. Joe Rogan. That jaw. Listen, cocksucker,

these are not the same white people you fucking grew up with in Calabasas. Calabasas. Okay. Put your fucking Uggs away. Get out of your Range Rover. And just suck his dick. He's going to kill everybody.

It's not a fight. Yeah, this is a good fight. Strickland kid's a good grappler. I'm going to get a Mohawk, I think. It looks like a Hare Krishna thing. The Strickland dude lost the hair pony. He lost the ponytail. The band came out.

In the fight. That's how bad dudes want pussy. They're pro fighters, and they still grow the hair that covers over their eyes. I know. I appreciate it. It's tough. It's tough. Hey, if I had beautiful hair, I might grow it that way, too.

So would I. Fuck it. Hickson, when he was young, had this crazy samurai ponytail. And it was like part of his mystique when he's this samurai warrior going into this tattered black belt that almost looked white because it was so worn and just strangling lines of dudes just get him in a line line them up one at a time roll them up yep roll them up like it's nothing never get never get out of breath tap one guy after the next He's still a handsome devil

We had a man killing the game some people just look sexier with bangs and some people don't yeah, I never have You never have I keep my Game out of my you're a rugged guy though. You got to be ready for action. I'm almost nice. Thanks, buddy I appreciate including the fucking pig hunt. We're going on with Steve Rinella When is that we'll do that let's do that this week you come this week Yeah, you're gonna go kill a pig fuck you know we're at and when the Tohono ranch up north I'm going there with Cameron Haynes. We're going to Sacramento oh, that's where We're going to Sacramento.

That's where we're going. It's up in that area. Are you going to use bows? Are you going to use bows? I don't think so. I think we're using rifles. Do they have an infestation? Oh, yeah.

Northern California literally has a pig infestation. In the wild? Yep. Well, in neighborhoods. San Jose News the other day, they had this news clipping of these wild pigs that were tearing up these people's lawns in the suburbs. I'd make them a pet.

Ripping the lawn apart looking for something to eat. And they're pretty gnarly, right? Like they'll jack a kid up. That's incredible. In California, in Fresno, there's a pig problem. What? That is weird. I agree with that.

Can you imagine? Like a real issue? Oh yeah, it's a pig problem. What? That is weird. I agree with Daniel. Can you imagine? Like a real issue? Oh yeah, it's a real issue. But you know what's crazy is we have a huge, I don't know if it's a problem, but we have raccoons everywhere. We have families of raccoons, little babies traveling together trying to open our door.

Our screen door. Oh shit. It was trickling on top swarming on him yeah I mean the pig problem is mitigated slightly by the fact that they're not allowed to hunt for mountain lions so mountain lions eat some of the pigs I was gonna say what's their natural predator that's it just not they're not no no there's no natural predator they're not from here they're Eurasian wild boars. A long time ago, they believed that a lot of them came from William Randolph Hearst.

When William Randolph Hearst had that Hearst Castle up in Northern California, that crazy fuck kept a bunch of wild boars out there. Damn. And a lot of them got loose. Thanks, Hearst. And then they just wind up fucking and breeding. And then, of course, on top of that, there's just wind up fucking and breeding and then of course on top of that there's just wild pigs domestic pigs that you know became feral and they start breeding

out in the wild and then they become a totally different kind of pig but there's so many of them northern california you could shoot as many as you want you could go like you could get all your meat from pigs and just go up there like once every couple months, shoot four or five pigs, bring them back with you. And it doesn't cost very much to get a pig tag. So it should be easy to kill them up, right? Oh, yeah. You better take out some of these pigs. Don't worry about that.

I killed one the first day we went. Really? Yeah. I killed a pig. It was like it got dark at 5 o'clock. I killed the pig at 4.50. I just like that it's not going to be freezing this time. Why don't we just go up there with some machine guns, do it gangster style? You could do it that way. From a helicopter? I don't think there's very many restrictions. like that it's not going to be freezing this time why don't we just go up there some machine guns do a gangster style you could do it that way from a helicopter i don't think

there's very many restrictions they use it from a helicopter in texas in texas they have these shows about them where they've seen it it's crazy i think i saw henry rollins do it right no ted nugent the opposite oh that's right my bad my bad just some loud white guy yeah right but yeah they do it out of helicopters they call it a porkalypse now. It is the most fucked up thing to watch. A porkalypse. They're flying

and just gunning down these packs of pigs. In Fresno. This is Texas. In Texas, they allow them to hunt with helicopters. Well, they cause millions and millions of dollars.

This big problem, I knew nothing about. Me neither. I'm scared. There's millions of feral pigs in California. What the fuck? Millions. I haven't seen one. And you knoweral pigs in California. What the fuck? Millions.

I haven't seen one. And you know what else did William Randolph Hearst cause? Like, he caused the pig problem. The weed problem. Yeah, he was also responsible for weed being illegal. He's a, whoa, head kick. He was responsible for distributing the propaganda and even possibly one of the people responsible

for using the name marijuana. Sounds like a real asshole. Wasn't that because of DuPont? and even possibly one of the people responsible for using the name marijuana. Sounds like a real asshole. Wasn't that because of DuPont? It had something to do with it as well, as well as his paper factories, apparently. But, I mean, that's the reason why William Randolph Hearst was the subject of that Orson Welles movie. I mean, that was the whole Rosebud, Citizen Kane. It's about William Randolph Hearst.

William Randolph Hearst was a gangster. When you had control of the newspaper back when there was only one newspaper, I mean, God damn. It's like Putin now. They were running stories like that one story where a woman smokes weed, throws her kids out a building, and then commits suicide. Reef or madness. Yeah, all that shit. Yeah, but I mean, they really wrote then commits suicide. Weed for madness. Yeah, all that shit. Yeah, but I mean, they really wrote that in paper.

They made shit up. Some people were terrified of weed in the game. They should be. They should be. They wanted to scare everybody. It took them 10 years of scaring people into making it illegal. This is after the fucking Great Depression, so people were cautious as it is. You know, I mean, that was

a crazy time. Easy to brainwash people back then. They listen to the radio. There's one radio station. They go to the movies to watch a newsreel. Total propaganda. Newsreels. You never got the truth. I feel like there's never any truth in that.

I feel like weed's just starting to get a good rap, right? Just now. Just starting to come out in the dark. That's how long it's been. Because as a kid, I remember as a kid, even in high school, I mean, if you're smoking weed, you're a loser, man.

Yeah, that's how I felt. Yeah, me too. I felt that way until I met Eddie. I felt that way until I was 28. I felt that way about six months ago

until I started hanging out with you guys. I gotta be honest. I gotta be honest. You guys are pretty cool. Well, anybody that tells you that people on weed are lazy is like,

I don't, you gotta pay attention to all the shit I'm doing. There's no way I'm lazy. I'm a lot of things. Lazy is not one of them. That's just stupid. I think you might have gotten more intense with weed. People who are lazy are lazy.

One thing about the marijuana is the paranoia that it gives you about if you're doing the wrong shit. These guys went to war, dude. What a fight. Really good fight. What a fight. I think that paranoia makes you work harder. You try to keep

that paranoia at bay. It's like a wolf. You want to do everything you can to fight off whatever the fuck that thing's warning you against. Cover your bases.

That's why it's so easy to get high and go on stage. Because you've done comedy a million fucking times. It's easy. Yeah. It's not something you're scared of doing.

Are you always high when you're on stage? 999% of time that'd be yes no I do like I did a couple sober sets this week this is fine I like doing sets over yeah I did the ice house the other night sober it's fine but you prefer to be I like being high when I'm coming up with shit that's when I especially like being high because I don't know what I'm gonna say it just comes And you get into that flow state where you're not there anymore. You're not there anymore and things just come out of nowhere. And sometimes they come out of nowhere and right out of it comes out of your mouth. You're fucking laughing hysterically at it.

You're laughing at your own shit. Because it's not really your own shit. It's the weed's joke. Weed gave you that joke. You don't like to weed? Yeah, and you're like laughing because weed gave you this. You're stealing weed's shit. I'm stealing weed's shit. Weed gave you that joke. You don't like to weed? Yeah, and you're like laughing because weed gave you this- You're stealing weed's shit. I'm stealing weed's shit. Weed gave you this awesome joke.

I mean, it came out of your mouth, but that's like- It's like you're the channel. Well, that's where humility really comes in when it comes to certain aspects of psychedelics. It's like you get the realization while you're doing it. Like if you're saying something that's profound or whatever, like, bitch, this isn't even really your thoughts. You know? This is, like, this is coming to you through the plant. Mm-hmm.

Through the plant. And, Eddie, you do jiu-jitsu high? Mm-hmm. A lot? Mm-hmm. Always. Always. I mean, he'll take a workout and not be high, but why bother?

Yeah. So, like, the only reason why you would bother is, like, there's a benefit to not being high. Do you get high for a tournament? No, no, no. Weed doesn't make you feel good or bad. It just makes you feel way more of what you're feeling. So if you're going to be nervous, if you're going to do something that's going to make you nervous,

I wouldn't suggest you smoke any weed. Really? Yeah. It could make you way more nervous? It could. It could. You can get paranoid. But if you're going to do something that is not going to give you, that you love, like

you're just going to go do jujitsu and you're just going to have fun, then you smoke weed and you'll have more fun because that's what you're feeling. You're like, yeah, this is awesome. You're not nervous or anything. I'm worried if I got into weed, I would just become like 320 pounds. That's a cookie monster. You wouldn't do that. Why would you do that?

Because I love to eat. So does he. Dude, do you know how much I eat? I eat so much when we go to restaurants, people think I'm joking. Like when I go to restaurants after shows, I order two meals. And they'll go, do you still want the steak? I go, I want that I order two meals and they'll go but you do you still want the steak I go want that too and like there's too much food Mike it's not too much food just bring it you're pretty lean too though

that's good genetics it's good genetics but I also work out I work out man you gotta you know you gotta do it you gotta work out well no I work I know you I'm not you of course you do yeah but I'm saying for people that complain about it man it's just that simple yes if you like to eat bitch you better burn that shit off true but i definitely have good genetics too yeah some people that they could look at a cake and they get fat yeah but you do get the munchies though you do get the munchies and it does for me because i got sweet tooth yeah dude you work out so hard and if you got high and got paranoid about getting fat you probably probably work out even harder

You probably like put in some extra sessions just to lean up You know yeah, you're you're on some crazy diet right now, right? You're looking slender you sexy bitch look at his face It's all taught every better to look at him You look you might be hit me you're obviously giant, but yeah but you look like leaner. You're losing body fat. Are you doing something? Yeah, I've just been doing this diet. My trainer had me on a no-carb diet for two weeks. No carbs at all?

No carbs at all. Eddie did that shit for years. Really? Low carb. Low carb. The Atkins. I was doing that Atkins thing. You stopped doing it?

Yeah. How come? Too much protein? No, you know, I don't know, man. I hung in there. I hung in there, man. You have a cheat day on Sunday. You have to have under 30 carbs a day.

If you could do that, under 30 carbs a day, then on one out of the seven days, Sunday, you could eat whatever the fuck you want. For just one meal or the whole day? The whole day. You have a cheat day. So I was living my life just for Sunday I was just trying to get to fucking Sunday I didn't care about Friday if we went out I just wanted to get to fuck I was just thinking about bread and how it's good and then Sunday I couldn't wait for the sun to come up when the sun came up I would just tear shit up. And then I would get too full.

And I'd go, here's my deck. I can eat anything. Now I can't. I'd smoke a lot of weed trying to get the munchies going. Well, fuck. The sun's going down. I'm not even hungry. Fuck.

I'm trying. Then I was living like a crazy man. Yeah. It was crazy. Living like a crazy man. I was like, now I'm stuffed. Let me tell you how crazy he was. We used to go to restaurants and eat.

And he would take the bread and he would take the bread, and he would break the bread apart and smell it. He wouldn't eat the bread, and everybody would want bread. They're like, what the fuck is going on with the bread? Eddie had taken every piece of bread and broke it apart, stuffed it in his nose. Did you get good results from it? He looked lean. I was really lean, and I'd never been that muscular or anything,

but I was lean and I was single. I was single as hell. And the leaner I got, the easier meeting members of the opposite sex were. You know what I'm saying? You got sexier. Yeah, yeah. Right away, everything changed.

Starved yourself for chips. Exactly. I was starving. But then that Sunday, that Sunday eventually turned into, I'm gonna start Saturday night. Now let's see, I'm gonna test it. What if I tested it? Would my body still change? Cause you know, if you got 30 grams a day,

Monday through Saturday, somehow your body is fixed in a way that you could trash it on Sunday and it doesn't make any difference with your weight. It'll reject everything. And now you live on donuts. So now I'm on Saturday fucking night, late Saturday night.

I'd say, fuck it. I'm going to start. And I'd go six months and I'd go, that was my thing. My weight hasn't changed. Fuck. You could actually take it into that night before. So Saturday nights, I couldn't wait. Saturday during the day, I'm like, fucking, when do I start this?

Like when the sun goes down, I would just get too crazy. And then it turned into Saturday morning, I would start. And then it was, okay, Saturday and Sunday, I'm going to have a cheat day. A pancake. And then it turned into Friday night, and then I just forget. And then it was just too crazy, and I just stopped. Okay, who do we got here? My focus is now back in the win column.

In the win. I wonder how much longer Frank mayer can keep going if he loses this fight we're gonna have to bring that motherfucker in here for i think you'd be a surprise talk i don't i don't want to do it no i'm gonna bring him in here you could bring a man and say jo Joe you do the same fucking thing I have to be there saying nothing You're going to be the guy that they talk to Afterwards and console I'll just be staring at the wall How you doing bro

How you doing bro I've been there man Don't worry There'll be a support group And then once a week you have the support group podcast i'll turn i'll turn twice twice i guarantee you if we love you if we could bring tex cob in this room right now and have a conversation with us all i'd go okay yeah are we cool are we cool here you know what the i'm saying yeah it's like scared straight you're gonna start

bringing in like uh yeah joe frzier still alive. He died right? He's gone. Yeah, but dude bring in Terry Norris. Listen to listen to Tex Cobb these days. Really? Oh good lord That's oh man. He had an acting career for a while. Tonsville. Yeah uncommon valor. He was uncommon values good man It was really was a kickboxer before he was a boxer too. You know, he was a accomplished kickboxer and I don't know who this guy is boxer too you know he was a accomplished kickboxer and it's over i don't know who this guy is i'm not gonna text cobb fought larry holmes to the distance text cobb he got beat up by larry holmes so bad howard cosell quit calling boxing damn yep yeah really i'm done he said you know what fuck i'm done and i'm disgusted yeah he wouldn't call i remember watching a flight fight as it was

happening my mother was with me. My mother literally said, my father was saying, this is a slaughter. And they should stop the fight. My mother said, he may have an extra plate in his forehead, so he's probably fine. Your mother said that? An extra plate? He's a robot?

Expert on physiology. Expert on physiology. He may have another plate in his forehead So he's fine I remember I told my mother There was a guy who didn't wear a coat in the winter He never wore a coat And she goes, oh, he probably has an enlarged heart

So it pumps lots of blood to his body Do you have a sore throat and a scarf on Like sort of an homage to the East Coast? Yes, yes I do Is this in sympathy? I feel refined and I've been watching downton what's going on with your throat though uh probably because i was shouting yesterday you're shouting i'm passionate

where were you in town no i'm just super passionate he don't give a fuck he don't give a fuck he came in here and he said you know what i'm gonna go in there and i'm not gonna give a fuck and that's the give a fuck. He came in here and he said you know what? I'm gonna go in there, and I'm not gonna give a fuck Alcantara he's a bad motherfucker. I don't know Frankie signs because you don't know fighting bro How do you say his name? Sands Do you know him? What's his background? Turn this up, Jamie

We have a timeshare in Tahoe Frankie's like Yeah, I left some toilet paper There's a six pack in the fridge Frankie Frankie Only speaks to Yuri Alcantara However however you want to say it.

He's a bad motherfucker, dude. He's really good. That's that guy that, you know, that was one of the most impressive victories for Uriah Faber when he beat this dude because Uriah came at him guns blazing like within the first couple seconds and then like literally 15 seconds into the fight, he's mounted. The guy's on top of Uriah came at him guns blazing like within the first couple seconds and then like literally 15 seconds into the fight

He's mounted the guys on top of Uriah and he's holding him there for the whole round I mean he's hitting him There's a lot of ground and pound going on but you're right towards the end of the round gets out of the position and then it's Just coming after him for the end of that Second round third round puts the pace on them just puts the pace on him. Just puts the pace on him. And you could see the dude going, Jesus Christ, when does this motherfucker get tired? Chill, man. It was one of the most impressive performances of Uriah's

career. A lot of people didn't even talk about that fight. And it's because it started off so bad. I think Alcantara had his back. I know he mounted him. He got him in a very compromising position very early in the fight when everybody's dry and everybody's at full strength. Trouble.

Got out of it and gave him a beat. Small man, and I'll beat the brakes off of him. One of the coolest things ever I heard a fighter say came from Uriah Faber's mouth. Someone beat him. It was a close decision, one of those epic battles. I forget who it was. He's only lost title fights.

It's like by decision, right? And he said after one of those fights, he goes, I don't feel that bad. I mean, it was a close fight. It could have gone either way. I'm right there in the mix. I'm in the top. I'm mixing it up. Even though I lost, I'm like right there.

He said, I think I'm a smidgen off. Yeah, that's like he has such a great attitude about losses. He's always one loss away or one win away from title shot always. Yeah. Well, he's going to go to 45 now, which is very interesting. Fighting Frankie, right? That's a crazy fight, man. Him and Frankie Edgar.

Why is he going to 45? Because he wants to fight Frankie. He doesn't want to fight TJ. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, I think he feels that it's not necessary to fight his teammate, and I think he probably would like to take a break off that fucking horrible weight cut to get down to 145.

I think it's smart. It's not a bad idea at all. And a super fight with Frankie is way better for him than TJ. Yeah, and if he does lose, hey, it's not even his division. Apparently he's an amazing businessman. He owns a lot of shit. You told me that. You told me that.

Properties. I'm trying to tell you. I just wasn't going to say anything. I was'm trying to tell you yeah i just wasn't gonna say anything yeah yeah he's a beast when it comes to business and we talked about that before yeah i apologize briefly yeah no he's an ambitious dude man yeah it's interesting he's the most for sure the most famous and the most like popular guy that has not won a UFC title. Has been in the mix for as long as he's been in the mix. He was a WEC champion in 2006 or something like that.

I remember when he broke both his hands against Mike Brown. He started throwing elbows. I actually talked to him. I said, did you practice that? He goes, no, man. No, I just started throwing my elbows because I was like, there was nothing else I could do at that point. I was like, Jesus.

And this is after the first fight where Mike Brown caught him. He got too aggressive. Mike Brown caught him on the chin. He used to be known for his insane ground and pound work. He would do something that no one has ever done. I've never seen anybody, but I guess it's because he's light. He would get in someone's guard. He would take them all down in the beginning of his career,

get in their guard, and then he would raise up and lift them up, slam them down, and at the same time ricochet into elbows. Nobody else has ever done that. He would be in their guard

holding them, pick them up, slam them, and then boom, land elbows. He's got a crazy little move. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know.

He's a smart dude, man. And then he decided, you know what? I'm just going to stand up with fools? Yeah, I know. He's a smart dude, man. And then he decided, you know what? I'm just going to stand up with fools. And then he just, he liked standing up. Explosive, man. And he started getting really good at finishing, too. That's when Uriah Faber was a wrestler.

He did Abu Dhabi 2005. He went against Bahumpina, black belt. How'd he do? He was a blue belt at the time, but he was an amazing wrestler. Yeah, so that's why he brought him. And he stalemated Bahumpina. Stalemated. You know, I have to say. I think he beat him, because he was on top. He just he stalemated Palampina. Stalemated. I think he beat him

because he was on top. Palampina couldn't get on top. So he beat him on points. I won't say who he was wrestling with, but I watched Henner Gracie. I'd never seen jiu-jitsu on that level where I was way close. I honestly had never

seen that where he took high-level monster dudes and was tapping them at will. Mixed martial arts guys. white clothes. I just had, I really honestly had never seen that. Where he took high level, high level monster dudes and was tapping them at will. Mixed martial arts guys. Yes, mixed martial arts guys. Who, Henner? Henner Gracie. Where at? At the Gracie Academy. I've actually

never seen that kind of effortless excellence with guys who are just huge and strong. Yeah, Henner and Aaron are very, very good. They're very good. Imagine being raised from the time you're a baby, your dad. How could they not be amazing to you? That's what I told Brian.

It's like they've been doing it since they were in high school. I talked to him about that, and I said, you seem to be, like, you're chunking information. So what happens is, as soon as they do something, you've already been there. You know exactly what's going on, and you're way ahead. And he goes, that's exactly right. So his body position is already. He's already ahead of you He just you really tell nice to Eddie Bravo. Hope no, I'm Terry. I was actually that's why I was bringing it up I was like, that's how it must feel right?

Really? He's getting his heart back She gonna do some reclaim to that last girl doing the raise the roof Yeah, look just a kiss young did a kiss mix it up. Well, she did a kiss, and then she draws you in. A backhand kiss. Oh. Oh, she's at it. Oh. The trifecta.

Devastating. They're all doing that. That's the new shit. That might be on Instagram. All the bitches are going to be doing that now. That's true. Mario Yamasaki is going to be pissed because he's not even online. Why does he do that hard thing?

Is that to me? Probably to his heart. Is that to me? There's a rumor it's to me. There's a rumor going on. Hey, Mario. We need to have a talk with the ring card girls. Come up with something cool. Sir, try not to shave the middle of your head like that.

Alcantara on his back. Very little flexibility. Trying to work that rubber guard. Looks like a rubber guard. Can't get it. Look at how stiff he is. Eddie, does that drive you crazy when you see guys like that? When they're in this position where, man, if that dude had some flexibility, he'd have full control of that spot. It doesn't piss me off ever.

Come on, son. I mean, I'm not pissed. I don't mean pissed, but does it, like, puzzle you? No, I understand. That a guy wouldn't just stretch and run those positions? No, I understand. There's just too much to train, man. If it worked for sure and they saw it and they didn't have to search for it

and do the research and it was just in their face that it worked and everyone's doing it, they. If it worked for sure and they saw it and they didn't have to search for it and do the research and it was just in their face that it worked and everyone's doing it, they would do it. But until then, stick to what we already know.

Let's just keep going. Got to work on your striking. Get your cardio together. Fuck new... We don't have time for new shit. Which is weird to me. It's mandatory.

That's what they're feeling. I understand that. It's weird he'd even go for it if it's not your shit. Like, if you're not that flexible at it, you're pulling rubber. Yeah, he just found himself in a spot off his back. That's right.'re feeling. I understand that. It's weird he'd even go for it if it's not your shit. Like, if you're not that flexible at it, you're pulling rubber guns. Yeah, he just found himself in a spot off his back. That's right.

When you're down there panicking, especially in the first round, that's your go-to. Yeah. It's kind of weird. Yeah, you got a good point. Anybody could acquire the flexibility required. Anybody can get into Lotus, but you have to put a lot of time into it. And most people aren't willing to put in the time. Where the fuck is John Wayne Parr?

Let's see if he's texting me. I might be a little late. Oh. My ride is driving from San Diego. Hope that's okay. No problem. You're a world champion, brother. Whatever you say.

He's a good dude, too. John Wayne Parr's a good dude. I don't know why I love those front kicks so much. Because they were just so damned. We just joke about them. Yeah. We made that video in my garage. You were asking me about them yeah we made that video in my garage

you were asking me about them like eh it's the odds you landed it right on the chin not so good and now everyone's killing it with it

I never I don't think in my entire fighting career I ever kicked someone in the face with a front kick and now everyone's throwing them

as they're huge man you just you aim for the chin you aim for the chest you just keep on them yeah right down the middle anderson when he landed that front kick on vitor it changed the whole world crazy everybody was like oh of course i was speechless well steven cigar i was speechless when i saw that how about when leoto landed the jumping front kick karate style the crane knock crane. Knocked his teeth out. Randy Couture.

Up until then, it wasn't part of your training sessions if you were an MMA fighter. You didn't stick that in there. You're like, why are you practicing that shit? It's a waste of your time. You know what? Nobody was practicing it. But now they are. You know what opened it up a lot in MMA as opposed to in kickboxing?

Is the takedowns and the the worry about the sprawl and a lowered stance there's a there's a different approach because guys are always worried about both things you're worried about possible takedowns so you're training in a different way you're not throwing a lot of the same technique so you're catching a guy that's like might be leaning forward a little bit more, might have a lower base, might not be able to move back and forth out of the way as easy. That makes sense. Because you're not seeing it that much in kickboxing.

No, never. You're seeing front push kicks to the face a little bit in some of the kickboxing bouts and tie bouts. You're seeing some of that. They really don't land, right? They kind of just- They kind of push back because they have a different stance. They'll lean way back.

They'll lean back and light on their feet. It's a different style. The MMA fighters, a lot of them are positioning them so like Vitor squares off more because Vitor is always worried about the takedowns and he actually used to teach that at Carlson Gracie's.

He's teached the different stance. He was actually talking about Maury Smith at the time, who was, I think he was the UFC heavyweight champion. Beautiful takedown. Yeah, I think he was beating Mark Coleman. Look at that, right there on his back. Will he slip off?

Look at the grease, slips right off. Yeah, he's way off. That's all grease right there. But he's still not on his own. Oh, lost it. But anyway, Vitor was explaining how more he still stands like a kickboxer and that he had to square off more. And he's like, you have to learn how to throw all your punches

from almost like a horse stance. I mean, a square stance, much less sideways. And if you look at a guy like Floyd Mayweather, I mean, he's coming at you like totally sideways, completely sideways. And he makes a small target like that, but... Get your leg kicked out. That's true, but you could also get taken down. So the ties, they have to stand a little more square.

So it's more available in MMA because of the way people stand. Yeah, definitely. Kickboxing, they're two sideways, right? They're two sideways, and they move back too easy. They're moving... Too upright, right? Watch someone like a real high-level Thai guy like watch like you know one of those dudes from you know like from glory a bull cow bull cow poor Pramuk

yeah that guy watch that guy wouldn't when people throw kicks at him and just fucking moves back like a snake like the kicks coming towards me leans way back like a snake and then comes back Matrix fucking legs guys trying to take you down then it becomes even more effective Yeah, because now he's coming in boom so you're gonna catch him He's gonna be open for it If you're throwing like if you're you're leaning back like the way a lot of those guys will do and moving back and forth But it's like guys will time that figure out when to take you down do and moving back and forth but it's like guys will time that figure out when to take you down you know especially if you're committing forward guys but when you don't have to worry about strike

or you don't have to worry about takedowns you change your stance you change your stance and it changes what's available plus with vitor he was more like uh wide stance because you know vitor is a power guy yeah he's trying to knock dudes out yeah he's not setting shit up he's trying to knock a dude out. You know what's interesting about Vitor, man? He doesn't have big hands at all. He doesn't have big feet either. He's got like an 8-size, 8-foot or something crazy. They're not big.

And it's amazing how much power he's able to generate. If you watch his fight with Scott Ferrozzo back in the day when he was 19, I mean, he's throwing punches that you have never seen in MMA. Like Pedro Hizzo. Didn't he fight Hizzo?

No. No, he didn't fight either one of those guys. Gonzaga didn't fight him either. He fought back in the day. He machine-gunned some kickboxes. He fought Trey Telligman. That was his first fight in the UFC. And then right after that, he fought Scott Ferrozzo, and he won the tournament.

He calls it like a heavyweight title, but it's not really was a guy he just machine gun. There's a high-level kick That's different Vandelea Silva. He just charged across. Yeah, he hit him with a counter left hand Yes, he was just so much faster. Oh, that was a big head kick by Alcantara He's like he's he's his hand speed is so goddamn blazing fast that if he catches you with one, he just will blitz you with 40 more behind it before you can react. That's what he did to Vanderlei. He literally ran at him like chain punch style. Right across the octagon.

I wonder what Vitor does if he loses to Weidman. Where does he go from there? It's going to be hard for him to go off TRT after, you know, how many years of being on it, like hardcore? Because he was, you know, his numbers were high. So he's getting off of what is a really high desk. Look at that. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. Nice knees. I love those. Can you knee inside the rectal area? It's a good question? Is that legal? Very good question. They're not going to stop you. Right in the hole.

They're not going to stop you. Excuse me, sir. No knees to the rectum. No knees to the rectum. You can knee the ass cheeks. For sure. It's going to hurt when you cough. You can get all up in that ass.

What the fuck were you just saying? Vitor versus Wyman. You know, I just don't know how he's going to be able to do it. You know, that's the reality of getting old, man. If you're not on some sort of hormonal replacement and you're 37, 38, 39, 40, and it starts getting up there, and your entire career you've been using some sort of hormonal assistance. I mean, you're not even talking about a guy who's been entirely natural. You're talking about a guy who,

whoa, this dude is taking a beating, man. Yeah, he is. Alcantara is getting fucking... Is he resting there? He's getting rubbernecked. Like his... Oh, rolling for the leg. Sick, son.

Rolling for a knee bar. Little slippery. Look at that. The old possum. Look at that. Little slippery here. Double outside ashi. Little slippery.

Is that what it's called? Yeah. Double outside ashi? What is that, the leg what it's called? Yeah. Double outside ashi? What is that, the leg position? Oh, get up, though, son. Who invented that? Who invented it? Is it Japanese?

No, it's a position that existed as long as catch wrestling and all that shit existed. It's nothing new. I just learned the proper name. Why is it ashi? I don't know, man. That's a good question. Is it a judo thing? What's the ashi i don't know man that's a good question is it a judo thing or is it a what what's the origin i don't know because all those harigoshi and all this like decided i'm gonna learn those names one of these days and be a beast i'll tell you what i'm more excited for

than even pacquiao mayweather is i've been talking to callen about his Taekwondo days for years now. His wife has proof, I guess. Of what? Oh, look at this. Look at that. Oh, oh. So yeah, there are pictures of me. She has pictures of him Taekwondo. Probably flying through the air, killing a cow.

That's not to be proud of. Probably felling a tree with one hand. Sure ain't. It sure isn't, by the way. I've been calling him a liar for years now. About his Taekwondo? Yes. About everything, though.

Really taekwondo, though. What did you do? Did you really get a black belt? I was a master. Come on. Come on. Did you really get a black belt? What does rank master mean?

How long did you train? I went back to White Belt. How long did you train? How long did you train? Probably seven years straight. Seven years straight? Where were you living? Different long did you train? Probably seven years straight. Seven years straight? Where were you living? Different places?

All through college. All through college. So you must have been training when I met you then. And then three years after. Probably just stopped. I wasn't sparring then. I probably stopped just then. So when did you get your black belt?

1987. So how many years were you training before you got your black belt? Two and a half. That sounds ridiculous. That's pretty fast, huh? That doesn't even sound logical. You're the BJ Penn at Taekwondo, huh? No, Taekwondo, you get your black belt pretty quick.

I don't know where you went, but you're a lot faster when you get it. They give it to 14 girls. But that's kind of the idea. When you get your black belt, then you're a student. Now you're ready to learn. I actually got mine in mine in two years really i knew you were messing with me yeah you could do it especially when you're 15 when i was 15 i got mine before i was 17 i had mine i'm just excited to see those pictures i was already paid for it in advance too well you pay for the black belt course three years you pay for it you could at some places that sounds like some bullshit gentlemen and then there was point fighting point fighting and versus like

you know actually hitting each other but you know what man it's like a lot of you what you pick up when you're young as far as like your ability oh dude beautiful left hand a lot of like you know your ability to learn and shit is like so much better when your body's still growing. Your body's growing into throwing kicks. It's so easy. You could take a 14-year-old. You teach him a little bit of Taekwondo. In two years, they look like a wizard.

They're throwing jumping wheel kicks. Take a 40-year-old and teach him Taekwondo in two years. He looks like a 40-year-old that just learned Taekwondo. He gets stiffer. He gets stiffer, actually. I did Taekwondo for a year. looks like a 40 year old that just learned taekwondo he gets stiffer he gets stiffer actually i did taekwondo for a year i thought it was going to be like blood sport i wanted to i did i wanted to be john claude van dam so my dad took me my brother taekwondo and they had me punching like this you know oh yeah i'm blocking like this i said i'm gonna fuck this noise i left after a year well i thought we were gonna be fighting

that after a year well no that's what we started with and then my dad forced me to go for by the next eight months it's these schools man it's like there's a lot of them that are just maximizing their in their income they're just trying to get as many students as they can and they're not teaching the style that was what a tight window originally was which most people quit they'll quit cuz they get hard yeah it's too hard so you can't train too hard you get kicked getting kicked sucks yeah and if most of what yeah most of what you're doing is getting kicked dudes went to sleep in my school all the time you're always nervous every time you fought accidentally people would knock people out accidentally on purpose

too but accidentally friends would knock friends out i've seen it happen many times. Me too. When I passed the test for my first green stripe on my white belt in karate, the remark on the test, I passed the test, and they said a fantastic overhand knife strike. Like, that was my shit. And I'm 22 years old, and I'm thinking, fuck. I'm telling my friends that I got to fucking look. Man, I actually thought if someone fucked with me, I gotta go to my go-to first.

I'm gonna go to... You think about it. You think about it. I'm gonna go to my go-to. Boom. How are they gonna stop that? We didn't spar. It was karate. You didn't spar at all. Nothing at all? No sparring at all? I'm gonna make an assumption here. I would assume

because you guys are in Taekwondo, you guys weren't, don't take this the wrong way, but you guys weren't good at other sports. That's adorable. Is that true? No, I was good at everything I did. Really? Football, basketball, baseball? I always played baseball. I played baseball. I was good at baseball. The reason why I got into Taekwondo is because I was at

Fenway Park to see a baseball game. What? And I was leaving, and yeah, I was obsessed with baseball. I loved it. Played all the time when I was a kid. Little League and all that shit. What? And I was leaving. Yeah, I was obsessed with baseball. I loved it. Played all the time when I was a kid. Little league and all that shit. And then when I was leaving, I could hit a ball fucking far, dude. When I was a kid, I had good home run power as a little kid. I believe that, right?

As hard as he hits? With his hips. With his hips. I can see that. It was all the same thing. It all translated into kicking and punching. But I was obsessed with hitting home runs. I struck out or I hit home runs.

You're like Babe Ruth. Not a single fucking coach ever got into my head. They're all like, look, we need to get on first base. I go, okay, okay, okay. Pitch comes swinging for the fucking moon every time. I didn't care if I struck out because I was a terrible team player. I didn't give a fuck if we lost. I'm hitting a home run.

That's it. I'm mean. All I want is home runs. I never say team sports. So my coach would pull me aside. He goes, look, you got seven home runs and 89 strikeouts. That's what I had. I either knock that fucking ball.

That's fucking hilarious. But when I would hit it, dude, people would go, holy shit. I get addicted to that feeling of people going, holy shit. So you played baseball until when? 15. Because when I was realizing that I could hit the ball harder than most people my size, it became my thing. I'd get so excited about it.

So I'd practice obsessively. And then coming home from a baseball game, went to see the Red Sox at Fenway Park. There was the line for the tee because it was the summertime. There's all these people walking. Everybody took the tee and it was a long line. You have to wait like 45 minutes to get on the fucking train. Just piles of people, all these drunks piling out of Fenway Park because Fenway Park is right down the street from the tee stop. So we were walking home and we passed by the j hun kim taekwondo institute so uh i was already taking karate i was taking karate um at uh joe esposito's in newton massachusetts but it's hard to get there there was wasn't good public transportation there

i i get to uh the top of the stairs as we're walking up i'm hearing like these chains like because the bag's going in the air, and then the chain is like stopping it from swinging, whomp, and I go up, and as just total synchronicity, the time I show up at the school was the time that John Lee, who was at the time the most devastating student that Mr. Kim had. As far as knockout power, he was this really tall black dude from a really bad neighborhood. He was like a street guy who learned martial arts, learned how to fight. He had a spinning back kick that was ungodly to this day.

People say my spinning back kick's really good. I'm telling you, if you saw this motherfucker kick the bag, you would go, oh. That's where I got it from i got it from my first impressions well he taught me too he taught me a lot of shit john taught me a lot of shit i we i went to a lot of tournaments with him actually when i was when i was older but i walked up when he was he was the national champion at the time and he was preparing for the world cup so as i walked up the stairs it was like him in his final preparations for the world cup and

he was just just fucking this bag up this hundred pound bag was flying through the air and bending in half and i remember thinking i never saw anybody do anything yeah that's crazy i've never seen anybody do anything like this before and it was all about bag work because mr kim was like adamant about bag work. It was like everybody throws kicks in the air. He goes, you've got to build resistance. You have to hit things, heavy things. He had a 200-pound bag, a series of 100-pound bags,

and this 200-pound bag that was like as big around as Joey Diaz. And it was like seven feet tall. You'd kick the shit out of this fucking thing. And that was his thing, man. It was just building power. So I became obsessed. So you saw that and said, fuck baseball. the out of this thing and that was his thing man it's just building power so i became obsessed so you saw that and said baseball quit wrestling quit baseball quit everything i was doing a bunch of sports but how dare you think i wasn't good at sports no it's not that i it was more like in my neighborhood if you did taekwondo you weren't good at anything else because it was you know what i'm saying because you it's not a team sport

you're not gonna get picked on so it's like all right well what can he do let's put this little bastard in taekwondo it all depends every martial art depends on what school you go to you can go to a dog shit jiu-jitsu school and it's you know it's better than nothing but you're gonna learn some shitty technique a lot of the time. And that's the same with karate. And that's the same with Taekwondo. I just got stupid lucky, man. I was in the right place at the right time.

I mean, you can't get a better time. This guy was kicking the fucking shit out of this bag. And I just stood. The way the gym is set up, you'd get to the top of the stairs. There's an area where you take your shoes off. And that area was right where the heavy bags were it was by design because mr kim wanted people to walk up the stairs see someone murdering the bag and sign up the desk is right there so that's where john was working out and like you'd go first of all you see a guy who's a black belt yeah yeah but

you see a black belt was actually doing real black belt shit that you expect a black belt to do. So that was how I got hooked. That makes sense. Because if I came up there and there's some fucking kids class and they're like, yeah, yeah. That was my experience. Yeah, dude. I would have been so bummed out. A lot of schools that make a lot of money teach just forms and point fighting.

Because you can have a lot of money. You can get your black belt right away But but when they were hitting each other you those gyms have a hard time John didn't remember any of his forms That's one of the things that I learned like John Lee. He's from Chelsea. This is a terrible neighborhood. He didn't know any forms It was man. I remember those things just until I could forget him Remember that shit he would laugh about it get him remember that shit he would laugh about it he was a total street guy like he's a good dude man he had a lot of you played sports problems i uh played sports on my street yeah i played football all the goddamn time on the streets with other Mexican people my size and a little older and stuff.

But then once, and I played Little League or Junior All-American football. So when I was nine, I played middle linebacker and defensive end. That's a dope shirt. I actually thought I was going to grow up to be a football player and play maybe middle linebacker, maybe quarterback, maybe defensive end. Like, I was so delusional as a kid. Junior All-American football does that. It makes you think like you're going to be a football star. I try to play football.

Everyone wants to go to the NFL. My freshman year, I get into pads. I'm in New England. It's so cold, and I just thought, I want to be a football player. I literally was 100 and what? Literally 110 pounds, and my father was so huge. I thought I was going to grow up to be like him, so it was just a question of growing into that.

I was getting hit and it was so cold and I was running away from the plays. Gary Lane came up to me and he said, you have to wrestle. Just wrestle people your size. What are you doing? Our football coach was

the assistant wrestling coach and this motherfucker would always try to recruit people. He's like, Rogan, you're a tough bastard. You should be out there. You should be out there on the fucking field. But we had a guy in our wrestling team that was our heavyweight. He was 300 pounds. Bobby Baker.

He was 300 pounds in high school. And I'm not joking. He wasn't lean. But he was a giant. He was a giant dude. And I just stood right next to him. I go, he plays football. I go, look, I wrestle 134.

Right. He's 300 pounds. Impossible. What the fuck are you? No one's breaking me. I'm not having someone run over me and smash me. No, thanks. Ooh, there's gonna be a tough one. Kabilov, Rustam. That's another different kind of white dude. Yeah, he is. Adriano Martins is that guy that Donald Cerrone head kicked.

Oh, that's right. That was his last fight, right? I believe so. I don't know if Martins has fought on one of the undercards that I wasn't aware of. There's so many fights going on, as we were talking about. If you fight pass between the prelims on Fox Sports 1 and all that. Snap. Oh, that was awful.

He's responsible for two of the most stomach-churning submissions in the history of the UFC. What's the other one? Tim Sylvia snapped his fucking forearm in half. Didn't even know it, right? He wanted to keep going. And then on Pete Williams, he did that. He knew something was wrong.

Yeah, he did that crazy Americana from Full Guard kind of thingy. That was awesome. Frank Mayer's one of the reasons I started fighting. No one's ever done that again. Have you ever pulled that off, that Americana from Full Guard? No. No. The guys did it.

After that, they were fucking around with it. I remember guys were fucking around with it in class, like right after that fight. I mean, from Full Guard, it'd be tough. It's tough. Especially on a good guy. He needed a very complex setup. He pulled it off. did yeah it looks so good when he pulled it off it's you know you don't think uh wrist locks work you think wrist locks are ooh a cute old uh don't uh but fredson pasha they work he footlock or uh wrist locks you from full guard he showed me

man he's he don't know what he's doing now this is real shit wrist locks sound like something to make fun of and no one really tells them there's certain guys they get obsessed with them and they pull them off in the garden they're really good you got to watch your wrist and and they'll use them to set up other things because you have this pressure on your wrist and you know you pull pull it back yeah if you're submitted Cameron Earl with a wrist lock one of the turns we went to what was it like a wrist lock from a noma plata online bitch Google it it is yeah he beat my ass really you could watch it on YouTube he's that good he's just that he's damn it. He's a wizard.

A wizard, huh? Yeah. There's a lot of high-level guys now, man. I was so impressed watching Gary Tonin and Javi. I'm so impressed with Javi. Javi's defense is incredible. How relaxed he is. That guy's mounting him and going after leg locks.

But he's bigger than Javi, right, by quite a bit. They were saying when they were announcing the weigh-ins, they were saying 145 and 170. I don't know if that's accurate, though. I would say Javi was not 145. I would say he was 165, 170, easy. Somebody must have just erroneously stated that. And I would say since there wasn't a weight limit

and Gary Tonin cuts down to 70 for some fights, I would say he might have been, he could have been 175, 180. Maybe. I don't know. He looked big. He looked a lot bigger than Javi. But goddamn, that triangle was a thing of beauty, man. Gary Tonin's fucking everybody up, man.

So good. Goddamn. He's just ripping through everybody. He's submitting everybody. I remember when you came on the podcast, you talked about that match that he had with Krohn. Yeah. Oh, God.

Have you ever seen that? I haven't seen it. What happened? Krohn is a fucking madman. Nightmare. He's a madman. Gary Tonin was on Krohn, was beating him. He was about to get beat.

He got his back. He was all over Krohn. How long the match? You've never seen Krohn? How long? It went to the last second. The last second, he was down, dude. There was like a minute left.

I forget now. It's been a while. But there was like a minute left. They separated. They stood. And Krohn, Antonin was going to win. Krohn needed to submit him. So within a minute, he looks over at Hickson and he says, he just does it, man.

He takes him down, gets his back, and chokes him out with like a second laugh. Krohn's a special dude, man. When I was getting ready for Metamorris, Krohn was also on the card. And so I'd go to his gym and train with him. And I remember when we got done afterwards, I was looking over, and he's doing these breathing techniques. I was like, damn, this motherfucker's a real samurai. I'm this white dude from denver like trying to do his you know his heart right down i do it yeah

look at his dad you've seen the movie choke where his dad works on that stuff yeah you should learn that man that's an interesting thing to learn breathing to breathing yeah he does it all the time he took he took me through it it's just you know you got to do it all the time it's become part of your game you got to master your abs somehow he's such a beast man crone he's a special special dude yeah imagine that just the genetics his genetics i mean come on son you're born into the greatest jujitsu family fuck that the greatest martial arts family by a long shot like what's the second greatest martial arts family other than the Gracies? How about your dad is Hickson?

Your dad's not Helson. I'm not playing the flute. Your dad's not Carlson. What if you did, though? Yeah. What if you were all into the flute and dudes? Those things go hand in hand. Come on, flautists are not all into dudes.

I'm just saying, what if you were- Flautist. It's a fact you called it a flautist. I agree. What if you were a scarf and were into flutes and dudes, and you're a Gracie, like Hicks and Son? You just say, fuck it. I was dying to get the word floutist out all night, finally.

All year. It's been right in my throat. All year. Bottled up all year, finally. How many times a year do you use floutist, do you think? It depends. On a good year. A crazy flout-filled year.

I bet you say it every time on your own podcast. Yeah, I start my own podcast every time because it's really intellectual. I have to say, I've always fantasized about being a flautist. And now the Brian Callen show. No, if you had to be honest, how many times a year do you think you break out the word flautist? It is a word that I think about a lot. And I just never have time to really work it in Until just now because I don't have Sophisticated company

I'm pretty sure that that's the only time I've ever said it Is repeating you just now That's the first time I've ever heard it I gotta be honest But I expect that with the guy that came in with a scarf A cashmere scarf We went deer hunting he was wearing cashmere He was calling himself the cashmere killer

He's in Montana. Cashmere killer? Did he kill anything? Yeah, he killed a deer. Really? One of the most desolate spots in North America. I mean, it's fucking wilderness. There's no one out there.

He's wearing cashmere. I love it. You can't grow anything. You get to the top of a mountain, and you're looking for deer, and you look off at how remote you are, like the area you're in it's that sounds pretty cool it's really weird and then you look over and there's calendar cashmere cashmere and cell phone oh yeah cell phone doesn't work sipping wine no dude you're in the middle of nowhere you can't grow anything you're in clay too yeah you walk around in clay it's crazy cactus clay cactus clay and like rye weed grow there well you know why it's

it's clay it's literally the bottom of an ancient sea it's the great western inland sea they have dinosaurs fucking roaming around there you find like shells you find like like seashells there yeah millions of years ago that was an ocean eddie don't hunt? You don't go with these guys hunting? No, no. It's not your thing? It should be, right? It should be. No, I don't think so. I've never tried it.

If the shit goes down, you know, guys that know how to hunt, those are the guys you want to power up with. It's just fun, though. When you're hunting, the fun is actually the amount you laugh together. You and I laugh more when we hunt because a lot of times it's cold and a little bit miserable well and they don't know anybody like us like they know they don't ever have comedians yeah hunting with them other hunters true so joe and i have a captive audience they have nowhere to go we just it's great in all fairness i have a captive i mean

you have a captive audience and me yes i bring you along because I know he's always on. Plus, we can talk. We can have real conversations. Especially the first day. I'm like, I don't know where these guys are going to fucking get. Who knows? This could be a disaster. Who knows what kind of guys we're going with. Yeah, you have to go.

Literally, I go there and I go like this. I go, oh, I'm going to make Joe laugh all fucking day. That's my job. All we did all we did was just how laughing shoot things and how are the other guys laughing or no oh my god we're crying they they had a five-day brian callen comedy show by the end of it they knew the rhythm too they knew it was all gay stuff so anytime anytime they would bend over to pick up firewood let me help you out you're not doing this. You're not doing this right. What are you?

A hunting show? What are you? What's the hips? The buttocks? Look at the red hair. That could work, man. A hunting show with that character? You could do that.

I am that guy. I basically sexually harassed Dan Doty the whole time. And it's in these shows? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. They didn't. They look very little. What you see on the show is like just the usable parts.

It's a hunting show on the Sportsman's Channel. They didn't show any of the fucking at all. Yeah, give me some of that wine, too. What kind of wine you got there, fella? It's nice. It's a beautiful Toscana, Toscana Ducali. But it's very satisfying, Eddie. You would enjoy it.

You love meat, man. I don't love meat that much. I don't like any game meat like elk. Oh, you don't know. I've never had it. You say that, you don't know. I tried it at Fuddruckers. They have all that shit.

No, no, no. Jesus Christ, Eddie. Just stop right now. That's like saying karate doesn't work. I saw Fred Valari's class. They do. They have elk. But, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, that's, first of all, that's farm-raised elk.

That's rare. It's farm-raised elk. It's farm-raised elk. It might as well be a cow. They grow those fucking things in cages in New Zealand. They cut the meat up and they ship it over here. You're not getting wild elk from North America because wild elk from North America you can't sell. I don't like camping, dude. I don't like camping.

You don't have to camp. You can stay in lodges. You stay in lodges a lot of times. We've done it hardcore, but we've also done it where we stay in a house. That's different. We've done it hardcore twice, like hardcore. The only time I'm not interested in doing it anymore, I'm letting Ronella know. I'm not into jungles.

Will you go to a jungle and hunt like leopards? I've been to a jungle. The problem is, no, I've been to a jungle. You don't want to be in the jungle, and I've been in the jungle. I'd rather do that. I've been in the rainforest. You like jungles. No, no, no, listen to me.

Hey, listen, you've got to hear this because he actually was working as a bug scientist. I went to Indonesia and went and tracked orangutans. Let me tell you why you never want to go in the jungle. Ever, ever. Ants. Dude, bugs. You'll get eaten by mosquitoes. You have to carry a sulfur coil.

Not just bug spray. A sulfur coil. You have to sit in your hammock. Please don't lie on the ground because if you lie on the ground, leeches will get in your skin and not to mention those wonderful ants and wasps. What about you? The story you told about putting the turpentine on the posts of the... Yeah, you have to put turpentine.

So every house there is raised up and you put turpentine. You soak the wood in turpentine. Why? Because you don't want to be in the way of the soldier ants when they're hunting. If they're foraging, they'll walk right over you. If they're hunting,

they will come up those posts, they will come into your hut and kill you. And they'll jump on you, they'll basically cover you and sting you. So that's a normal thing that happens. Dude, they kill elephants. What? Is this only in Indonesia?

No, in Africa as well. They climb into an elephant's ear and they'll start eating its fucking brain. You can hear them coming. That's how many there are for real. You can hear a buzz. You want to hear a crazy statistic?

Here's a crazy statistic about ants. The body mass, like the weight of ants on Earth, the amount of ants, is exactly the same or close to it as the weight of people. That's pretty nuts. That's how many ants there are. That's a shitload of ants. Now, how do these Amazon Indians survive these bugs?

What was very interesting is that the diac who I was with, they don't sweat, even though you're sweating, losing gallons of water. They don't sweat. They've adapted to their environment so they can... And the mosquitoes don't really bite them. Why? Because over millennia, they evolved

to develop resistance to bugs, to the bugs of that area. What? That's crazy. That makes sense. But there's some bugs that still get them. Sure. Rinello was in to the bugs of that area. What? That's crazy. That makes sense. They see it totally makes sense. But there's some bugs that still get them. Sure. Rinella was in Bolivia.

You know, Rinella just got back from Bolivia where he ate a monkey. They shot and cooked and ate a monkey. Not him, but the people in the tribe. No, he didn't get sick, but it's disturbing, dude. Watching them throw this monkey on the fire, it looks very, very fucking human.

Like a big-ass monkey? Like a chimpanzee or what? No, a monkey with a tail. A little monkey with a tail. But he got stung by a bullet ant when he was there. And he was in agony, man. They say it's the worst. But those guys get stung, too, as a part of their coming-of-age ritual.

They're not immune to that shit. No, they're not. Wasps could give a shit how long you've lived in the area. It's going to hurt just as much. Kabilov and Martins is an interesting fight, man. Yeah, man. Because Kabilov's coming off that loss to Benson Henderson. It was a close fight.

Yeah, got pulled into deep water. But he's beating good guys. He beat Jorge Masvidal. Remember, he hit him with that weird wheel kick? Yeah. Really awkward wheel kick. It's a really good grappler. Really good.

Kabilov? Yeah, really good. He was a world champion sambo, I think. Yeah, he was. That's correct. And his suplexes are off the charts. They'll throw you on your head. Yeah.

But Martins is high-level Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, good kickboxer. He was holding his own with Cowboy. I mean, he was hanging in there until he got head kicked. Yeah. I mean, Cowboy was setting him up. Yeah. But he was doing well up to that moment.

He's a good fighter. Cowboy's just so fast, those head kicks. And he's not afraid to fight off his back, so he's not scared of throwing that, you know? Yeah, he's not worried

about anything. Having a good guard, Eddie always said this, so huge for kickboxers. Cowboy's fighting Khabib. I don't know. That's what we're talking about there. I gotta work on my guard.

You gotta have a good guard with that motherfucker. I'll have one. Yeah, that's a weird fight. That's a weird fight. Tough fight. Tough fight for anybody. Yeah, well, for both of them. But if there's any time to fight Khabib, it's now off this long layoff.

Long layoff and knee surgery. Who knows where his knee's really at. Ooh, nice takedown. And his back. Oh, shit. Nope. Look at this. Rustam on his back.

Interesting to see how big he gets up. How's that guard look? How's that guard look? He's going to wall crawl. Damn. He doesn't like it. Are you allowed to grab the fence? No.

I'm getting him off the fence. But you might as well, because all they do is warn you. They're pushing him away from the fence. That's awesome, right? It's great controlling that leg. So interesting. Kamilov does not want this jiu-jitsu guy on. Look at him get up.

Look at that. Oh. Not today, my friend. Not today, my friend. Not today. Not today. Man, that's some good jits right there. He's got good jits.

Oh. See all that grease? See how they just slip so easy? His thing was the suplex, and then guys get aware of it, and once you get to a certain level, he's got to be freaking out now that someone took him down and engaged him in grappling, right? True.

That was a high-level takedown. That looked like a college wrestler takedown. Yeah, that looked great. That's his world. I mean, that's Hobby Lob's world. And all of a sudden, he's on his back for the first time in his UFC career. He's been trying to stand up more lately. He did great.

Power shots. This black belt. Oh, got on top and couldn't do anything? Dude, that's a nice right hand. He threw that. That's like a semi-Chuck Liddell style overhand right. Yeah, I mean, Martins didn't really threaten him at all, right? No.

Brazilians have great skin. There, I said it. Beautiful. Caramel. Like a mocha. Caramel. Yeah, I'm not mad at it. Nah, no reason to be. You know what I mean, Brendan? Yeah, I feel you. Good stuff. You have had that kind of skin. Don't sell yourself short. So does Eddie. No, not really. Congrats to both of you.

Listen, if Yellowstone blows, we might all be living in Brazil in five years. Yeah. Yellowstone explodes and half the fucking country's dead. Is there a chance of that? Fuck yeah. A giant chance. Yeah, it's a giant one. Huge chance.

It's no bullshit. It's a continent killer. Really? Oh, yeah. Well, why the fuck isn't CNN telling me this? Dude, it's... Whoa! Nice kick by Martins. It's what they call a

caldera volcano, which is a volcano that's so violent that it starts out as like a mountain. The mountain explodes and what you're left with is a crater that they have to look at from satellites to even recognize what it is. They didn't even know it was a volcano until

like the 2000s like when when they started looking at the area with Satellite imagery they started going wait whoa whoa whoa whoa what the fuck are we looking at here, and then they went oh gee? Oh, no, then I realize it's 600 kilometers wide that That's wide. There's nothing we can do? Oh, not only is there nothing you can do. Get a cork, a huge cork. It goes off every 6,000 to 8,000 years.

Well, when's the last time it went off? 600,000 to 800,000 years. So we got 200,000. We're good. If we're lucky, it could go off tomorrow. I mean, they've had thousands of earthquakes every year for a long time. They have thousands of earthquakes every year for a long time. They have thousands of earthquakes every year. Like, if you

go to Yellowstone, almost every day, you're going to have a fucking earthquake. See the sweat on the smoke? Sometimes multiple. Hey, he's here! John Wayne Parr, ladies and gentlemen. Come on in, buddy. Have a seat. We're on the air right now. Hey, man. Hey, man. What's up, brother? How are you?

Thanks for coming. Thank you. You got any Alpha Brain, J. There's some over here? now hey how you doing buddy you scared me with that talk joe i gotta be honest my man that's why i don't smoke weed because I did, I'd be running for the hills right now, packing my shit and moving to Brazil. Well, it's something to be afraid of. But there's nothing anybody can do about it. You'd have to just get to another spot. And Brazil's my only option?

Well, Australia would be a good option. I'm not mad at that. John Wayne Parr, I'll let you fucking know. Can I crash on your couch, John? We might have to move to Australia if the Yellowstone blows. Can we crash at your place? Yeah, for sure. Hell yeah.

Australians are so friendly. Well, there's the plan. Plan B, gentlemen. This dude is your friend? This is Andy. Oh, hey, Andy. What's up, man? We got to get him a chair or something, Jamie.

We got a chair for him. Let's have him sit down. Well, we're watching Rustam Habilov and Adriano Martins. First round, very good round for Martins. Martins won that round. John Wayne Parr, multiple time Muay Thai world champion in the motherfucking house. This is amazing to be here. Good to have

you, brother. Flying over from another part of the world. We're talking about places to escape when Yellowstone, the super volcano, explodes and kills everybody in North America. So Australia is a strong possibility. Now, I feel like you just broke news on that. No.

Everybody knows about it. You guys all knew? You knew this? Only through Joe. Only through Joe. But it's one of those things that, you know, if it does blow, don't worry. You're dying and it's fine. Well, you might die slow if you're anywhere like outside of the perimeter of death.

From fire. It's not that bad. Everything 100 miles around it is dead instantly. What about Yellowstone here? We're fucked. I live on the beach. You're going to be eating people. I'll jump in the ocean, son.

You're dying by lava. Don't worry. It's just liquid stone. It's just the heat and the gas is near. You're the last one to go. You're right there. You're the last one. And you can get on your boogie board. You're the last one to go. You're right there. You're the last one. Yeah.

And you can get on your boogie board and... Or jack the boat. What is a lava going to do in the ocean? I agree. What would probably happen is that the sun would get completely blotted out. That's what's up. No more vegetables. No more vegetables. Most animals would die.

Rotten meat everywhere. Can your food, you fuck. Diseases. I'll tell you this. You guys are fucked in Calabasas. Well, I live in the city. Everybody's fucked. Everybody. Everybody's fucked everywhere, man. Not the people on. Well, I live in the city. Everybody's fucked. Everybody.

Not the people on the beach. Dude, they're fucked. You're fucked. First of all, guess what, fuckface? The beach ain't even going to be there. What? Because if you've got a super volcano, you're dealing with massive earthquakes, tsunamis without a doubt.

No. The point is going the other way. The point is making. You'll catch a wave. The tsunami. You'll catch a wave all the way to Japan. Just accept Jesus Christ as your savior. The whole time?

Remember Escape from L.A.? Yes. Kurt Russell? Dude, he was on a wave. So ridiculous. He was like on green screen, and he's surfing on green screen. So we're just all screwed what you're saying, Joe. No, just accept Jesus Christ as your savior, and you'll be fine.

It's one of those things where when it does blow, it's going to kill a major chunk of the population of the world. Not just the United States, but of the world. There's one that happened in Indonesia 70,000 years ago, and they think it's one of the main reasons why there's, like, when you trace the genetic lineage. Damn, that was a good fucking fight. Yeah, it is. Hobby Lob just cracked him with a left hook. Damn, this guy can take a shot, man. Yeah.

They think there's one of the... Oh, I like that step in elbow. Hobby Lobby's feeling it. Oh! Body shot. That was a nasty body shot. How'd he take that? Damn it.

Dude, he's throwing fucking heat. There he is. Uppercuts, mixing his punches. I call that mixing your punches up. Yeah. Tell John Wayne Barth out there. John, let's call mixing your punches up. Tell John Wayne Barth out there. John, let's call mixing your punches up, John. Watch the angle.

It's called cutting the corner. Is anything he's saying make sense? Does that make sense at all? You'll have to draw a diagram. I will. I will. Take my workshop, bro. I don't have room for you this weekend.

Next weekend, there's a lot of hands-on touching. A lot of spiritual and emotional work. Oh, good left hand. First, we have a good cry and hold each other's a lot of hands on we do we do not wear pants we have a strictly no pants policy well the first class first class but we called I. Okay, apparently there's ten super volcanoes that can destroy the world. Ten. Jesus Christ. There's one in Japan. There's one in Colombia.

Those are the conspiracy theorists of geology. That's right. It's going to blow. Fuck, man. You can't even go to Mexico. They have one in Mexico. Most scientists are saying come on shut the yeah it's like we still got a couple million years that's how it happens don't scare them

mount vesuvius well it's they've killed a lot of people the alex jones of volcanoes can you imagine what about alex jones got into volcanoes forget the economy it's not about the economy anymore i mean i feel like the chances of it ending America, a volcano, is pretty low. Well, it's only pretty low because our lifetimes are very short. You haven't seen Dante speak? I have. Its chances of ending America are 100%. It's 100%.

Over the course of the entire... Over the course of the next 200 plus thousand years. It's 100%. Over the course of the entire... Over the course of the next 200 plus thousand years, it's 100%. That makes sense. So it's not whether or not it's going to end America. It's fucking going to end America. It's just whether or not you're going to be alive to see it happen. 100%. Or whether or not there'll be society at that point.

And whether or not we've been hit by an asteroid already. Or we might all be on Mars by that time. Could be. Could be on Mars. Never know. Why do you choose Mars? Well, it's the only one I hear that we're exploring right now. Good point.

So the one in Indonesia is the one I think that they believe killed so many fucking people that that's why when they do like a genetic lineage, when they test people's genes and try to find the unique origin of mankind they believe it all comes back to this one group of people that survived the super volcano that blew 70 000 years ago so sleep tight there in venice abbott kinney fight club fighting that great day what happened with south africa being the cradle of civilization well that's where people started for sure but they moved oh Oh, damn! That was a beautiful left hook.

We're talking so much shit, we missed that. Well, we're talking legit. We're trying to tell people, get your shit together, because this volcano's about to blow to the east. I'm not about the UFC anymore. I'm telling them it doesn't matter. Even if you get your shit together,

if you live in America and it happens, most people are dead. It's a continent killer. Mike, my father used to ruin everybody's day. We'd be opening presents at Christmas. He'd look up from his book and go in the 1930s 13 million people died of starvation in the Ukraine enjoy yourself go back to his book I was like ah is that a real number you just make that uh well in if you look at the greater area of, before World War II, when Stalin starved the Ukraine, the number is crazy high. And I think overall, if you consider Latvia and all those areas, the Baltic States, it's

about 13 million. John Wayne Parr, when you, I'm sorry to change subjects here, but when you're watching MMA and you're watching like striking, you know, we were talking about this earlier with Eddie Bravo We're talking about jiu-jitsu positions Like do you see these positions people don't capitalize on like what level do you think like MMA striking is that now? It's not it's obviously not the level of the highest level Muay Thai But like what what do you think about MMA striking? Oh, I think it's amazing some of the guys that like Cerrone I love Cerrone. He's so good.

And then, yeah, it's just different because you guys can't stand and trade. You can't go toe-to-toe and you can't just keep letting the bombs go. Otherwise, you get taken down. Right. But I respect these guys so much. No, of course you do. Another takedown. Have you wanted to compete in MMA? I did, and then I broke my finger.

And then that's why I came up with my new promotion with the cage Muay Thai now. You broke your finger grappling? Yeah, I did my very first class and I broke my finger. 120 Muay Thai fights, not a problem. I do one jiu-jitsu class and broke my finger. So it's like, how can I fight in the cage but not do jiu-jitsu? Because I don't want to break any more fingers. That's hilarious.

That's when I thought, well, stuff it. I'll do cage Muay Thai instead. And you've never wanted to go back to MMA? Well, now I've got that desire to fight in the cage through what I'm doing now. And then I can be good at it too because I'm not too bad at Muay Thai. What's the difference between fighting in the cage and fighting in your ring if you're just going to keep it on your feet? I've also incorporated the MMA gloves as well. Look at this.

So, yeah, it's everything MMA, but no ground. Wow. So as soon as you go to the ground, you're stopping to stand back up, and then you start banging again. Can you take a guy down? In the clinch. Can you throw him? You can throw guys?

You can in the Muay Thai clinch, but you can't sort of suplex. Okay. And there's egg counts as well, so we allow egg counts. So if you get knocked down, there's still a chance you can still come back and still win. Yeah, so yeah, but it's very violent I looked it up on YouTube. The guys are fighting in the cage with boxing gloves on and looked very peculiar So I thought you know what I have to be in such a big fan of UFC for so long Yeah, I couldn't put big gloves on I have to do it properly So what would you think about guys fighting bare-knuckle in MMA? Do you think that makes any sense at all?

Yeah, too dangerous hands my hands you break your hand and my hands are screwed, right? What would you think about guys fighting bare knuckle in MMA? Do you think that makes any sense at all? Yeah, two dangerous hands, my hands are stuck. You break your hands. Yeah, my hands are screwed. Right, but for realism, you know, because a lot of the reasons why people were able to just unload with a bunch of punches is because they have gloves on, right? True, true.

Yeah, the damage to be sustained and to try and get insured would be quite difficult. Because the hands would be, you have a hand doctor on doctor on staff yeah and just in case of somebody dying too you wouldn't want to see someone dying in your promotion especially if you've got the promoter how do you put your head on the pillow at night time knowing that someone's died on your show would you think that would make people die more often with no gloves i would think that like gloves actually would cause more damage the ground and pound with no no gloves on could be quite severe. Hmm, I wonder, man, because I feel like you can shin kick someone in the head

with no pads on, knee someone in the head with no pads on, elbows with no pads. Yeah, you mentioned it. True. I just don't think that it would... I retract my last statement. That makes a lot of sense, right? You can shin kick someone, no glove on your shin, right to the face, and that's okay.

But you can't do it with your fist. I've seen you kick dudes. I've seen you kick dudes. You kick, I mean, it's just ridiculous. The idea that anybody can punch as hard as you can kick is ridiculous. There's not a man alive that punches as hard as you kick. They don't exist. And you're clang, you're bouncing shins off dudes' heads.

Blang. I mean mean come on the problem would be just getting it sanctioned right because UFC is just now getting out of like if if Brian's bolo to the body

Ray Leonard yeah it was a bolo punch he brought it back no you're right Brendan you know. Yeah, it was a bolo punch. Damn. He brought it back. No, you're right, Brennan. I mean, it's really, you know that guy that was fucking helping keep it illegal in New York just got arrested for corruption. You know that, right? I heard you talk about it on your podcast.

I didn't even mention his name. It's like Satan. Don't mention his name. All those old politicians, those old, Crooked. Grubby, fucking disgusting little fucking carpetbagging cunts. Gray bushes. Oh, those old, crooked, grubby, fucking disgusting little fucking carpet-bagging cunts. Gray bushes. Oh, those disgusting old men.

Disgusting old men existing on envelopes. Fucking timeshares. He's out. UFC's cutting in. Huge, huge, huge for the UFC that this guy's done. Imagine John Jones, Madison Square Garden. God damn, dude. That's not outside the realm of possibility

at all. I mean, we're going back there in April. We got to go to New Jersey. What's great for New Jersey? New Jersey makes a shitload of money. It's just right there.

You just, you know, cross the river. When I fought New Jersey, we did all the press, everything in New York. Of course. We just fought New Jersey. Yeah, of course.

I mean, why would you not? You're right next to one of the greatest media empires or one of the greatest media locations in New Jersey. Yeah, of course. I mean, why would you not? You're right next to one of the greatest media empires or one of the greatest media locations in the world for the, you know,

for the East Coast. I think Kabadov lost that fight. Who the fuck knows? You barely paid attention. Oh, I was watching. No, he's lost the fight for sure.

You're correct. Yeah. I was watching. He did get mounted, that's for sure. He's been taken down. Which is surprising. I was amazed that, that's for sure. He's been taken down. Which is surprising. I was amazed that Martins was mounting him.

That was shocking. I was surprised he was taking him down. Yeah. That Saitama was beautiful, though. Yeah, it was. The one in the first. John, Wayne, do you have to constantly keep your shins numb? Oil.

Once you kill the nerves, they just never come back? There's an old wives' tale where you're supposed to hit your shins with the, the. Uh, yeah. Do it every day. Keep going. He uses a Coke bottle from Mexico. I've found just kicking the heavy bag and lots of fights and slowly your shin goes flat and, um, hard and condensed and yeah. And no dramas anymore. Yeah.

Can I touch your shin or is that weird? Sure. My hands. There you go. That's a big shin, dude. You know what they say? It's like you get these little micro fractures, like tiny little micro fractures all over the outside and those micro fractures, you get a little

blood in it and that blood calcifies and then the whole thing almost becomes like a shin pad. You ever see that video of lion fights where Malapet was fighting this guy and just started going shin to shin with him? Just smash. The guy, he shin checked a kick. The guy did.

Malapet threw a kick. The guy shin checked it. And the guy started limping. And so Malapet smiles at him and goes charging him, just goes shin to shin with him over and over again. Smash, smashing his shin. Like he didn't feel it at all. It's like he's wearing this giant armor-plated shin.

He's got those giant fucking calves anyway. Those Thai calves and giant shin bones. Those Callan calves. I got some big calves, guys. It's the opposite. No, look. Sasso calves. Samoan calves.

Put that away. Big calf. I'm not mad at that. When guys are starting out, their shins are very pointy. Sean John went by his legs. I got pointy shins. And then, yeah, and then the more you train, and then slowly they go more flat. Where's your school?

Honestly, does he have potential? Look at his shin. Look at his shin. What do you think? Be honest. Make an honest assessment. Check his hamstrings. Yes.

Here's that takedown. That's a thin bone there. Hey, Brian, tell John about your taekwondo days, though. Okay, good. Well, John, see, what I would do, John, I use wheel kicking. Well, he had these forms that would scare his opponents. Oh, my God. He would practice them before the competition.

I would push my balls into my body. It wouldn't matter. It was all dick. You remember there was, like, guys that would say they could do that? They would take ball kicks? Yes, come on. But there's still, like, videos out there of guys that would say they could do that? They would take ball kicks? Yes, come on. But there's still videos out there of guys taking ball kicks, and it's like scientific attempts to analyze how they're able to take ball kicks.

Well, they did the one on fight science where the guys stand there and get a full kick. Guys used to come into strip clubs and get beat. I think Maurice Green or someone just gave him a full kick. I don't know who it was, but it's ugly. It's all ugly. And apparently it's the exact same thing where your balls become like stones. Like basically from the way

your body is. What kind of kids do you make with balls that have been kicked in practice repeatedly? I heard a rumor it's the equivalent of a woman giving birth is when a man gets kicked in the balls. Now don't kill me, but that's what I heard.

For that quick instant. It's a different kind of pain because when you get hit in the balls, you get like a sick feel. It's sick. It's not just pain. It's pain. It's both at first, though. You got kicked in the stomach. You got kicked in the liver. It's that more than pain.

It's emotional. That sounds awful. Have you seen a woman give birth? Because I've been up close and personal. Their pussy tears apart like a moose That got caught in a meat grinding machine Babies heads are giant vaginas are small. Yep. Just say I didn't start out Well, I met a guy told me it's a guy of a friend of a guy of a cousin every now and then

It's Oscar the grouch with tits. That's still the greatest line anybody ever said. She's boxy, dude. She's boxy. That's what he's saying. He called her Oscar. She said between his girl and this, his girl makes her look like Oscar the Grouch with tits. I couldn't stop laughing.

I was laughing. I yelled it out at myself as I was driving home. Oscar the Grouch with tits. Ah! Like two days later, I'm text messaging him. Oscar the Grouch with tits. That's such a, something Joey Diaz would say. Exactly. How would he say it?

Fucking Oscar the Grouch with tits. Yeah. Is Liam Neeson old enough to be kicking people's asses I like that keep showing old dudes doing great shit because we're all gonna be old it's gonna benefit us and anytime you see that it's gonna benefit you you're young and beautiful right now like the most interesting man alive oh my god you're in the prime of your god damn life I know tear shit up How much longer you think you're gonna keep competing man I want to I've got a couple more this year and then we'll play it by here with the small glove cage

Yeah, yeah small. Love. What are you doing? That's amazing man. What are you doing with this? What is that shirt? That's awesome. I bought it. What is that shirt you're wearing? That's a friend of mine's. He's plugging it in Australia. It's like pride. Yeah.

Can you get in the clinch as long as you want a knee? Can you do that? Yeah. Do the refs break it up ever when they clinch? When it stops getting stale. As long as it's active. But they'll let you work in the clinch? Yes.

That's a beautiful thing. I think K-1, you can't work in the clinch, right? They stop thing because i think k1 you can't work on the clinch they stop right like that's ridiculous why are they doing that doesn't it seem like yeah it's sort of watered down muay thai they're trying to make it entertaining for the fans they're true because getting in clinch fighting is not it's boring yeah i guess the guys are the k1s change the rules but since ball cow came to k, he started dominating people. So they're thinking, oh, how can we make it even for the Westerners versus the Thais? I know, we'll make it like a three-second rule or a one-knee rule. Well, Thai incorporates a lot of grappling.

It obviously doesn't have any submissions, and it doesn't have any takedowns the way a wrestler has. But that grappling position with holding that plumb clinch and the way those guys develop that squeeze, the ability to move a guy around, much like a guy who's a really good neck squeezer has that just certain something. Guys get that with that thigh clinch, man. Remember when Anderson Silva locked up with Rich Franklin?

And Rich Franklin had never seen that before, didn't know what to do about it. And Anderson was just so strong in that position. And he's compared to, you know, like the great Thais, like a bull cow. Like, come on, man. He's not even close. Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know.

Anderson is not even close. Not even close. Wow. You want to deal with, like, the greatest Thai fighters and their technique and the way they move and the way they can hold. Not even close, man. You don't think so? No.

Without being disrespectful. The clinch that he had him in, that was very amateur. That was a very basic clinch. There was no counter. All he did was hold his hands down and just pray not to die. You laughed at it. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, there's so many.

I mean, it's hard for people who seen like really great more tighter to more tie fights John John how many fights have you been in total 120 damn and then I had a 13 pro boxing fights also oh shit yeah but I know how to throw a few combos, eh? Well, I'm going to show you. Take my... When we do the workshop, it's going to be fun. What's the latest with Jeff Fennec? Jeff Fennec? Oh, he's just doing his thing in Sydney. He's just doing promotions now. He promotes fights now? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, nice. He's been promoting for years. Oh, so he's... Yeah, he transitioned beautifully out of boxing into promoting. Yeah, he's not promoting as much. About three or four years ago, his shows run the Fox button pretty much every week So he's really he's very busy. Yeah, what about Troy waters? I used to be really into boxing. I was a fanatic until the UFC ruined

Yeah, you're looking forward to like something's been fighting his whole life like that. Are you looking forward to retirement? No, you're not no and dreading the day it's going to be a hard hard transition yeah i'm i tried to retire a few years ago and the thought of it just just drove me nuts and i had to come back again because it was just killing me not being in front of the crowds and not um those after parties wow you're just like the after party that's what it's really about right you're laying in bed not having that um anticipation of having a fight coming up was just, yeah, I missed it so much that I came back again. That's why guys who only have that feeling should fight.

That's it. That's it. Yeah. All these guys are like, I'd like to try one Muay Thai fight. Shut the fuck up. You're going to run into some goddamn John Wayne Parr on the up who sleeps in the upcoming. I like being afraid. I like fighting the guys that

i'm scared of have you always been that way since you can remember um yeah since i was since i could walk i've always wanted to be a fighter damn wow damn it didn't matter if it was ninjutsu or karate i just wanted to fight in anything and then just so happened kickboxing was near my house so that's how i started kickboxing in in in? In Australia. Where in Australia? In Brisbane back then but now I'm on the Gold Coast. But I moved to Thailand when I was 19. I lived in Thailand for five years. Wow.

So I lived in Bangkok and then had about 50 flights in Thailand and fought in all the big stadiums. Did you speak Thai? I do now. Wow. Did you like get like one of those Rosetta Stones? Because I lived in Thailand next, was there was no imagine living in California We'd know other people that could speak English. That was a lot. That was my lifestyle

So you just learned it from talking to them? Yeah, I slept on the floor with ten other people and then uh And then I'm gonna speak English say you'd have to do everything by hand signals first by how to eat or sleep Oh, wow, how different is Dutch kickboxing from Muay Thai that you learned? More more hands and more leg kicks whereas theais are more body kicks and more knees and elbows. Why do you think that is? Different scoring system. The Thais don't score punching. They don't score leg kicks.

Because it's harder to throw a body kick than is a leg kick. Anyone can throw a leg kick. And the Thais are in the clinching as well. The clinching is a big high score as well. Isn't that interesting that we don't think about that at all as a scoring position? We think of the clinch is almost being a stale stalemate position So how do you score who get whoever can hold a plum clinch the longest whoever throws the last knee? So if you've got two guys from 50 knees need for me need for me in it the one who scores the last knee scores

That that that rally whoa. Yeah, so you can be there for two minutes. Knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee. You're just trying to break each other. And then the referee goes, stop. And he's won that set. Wow. But what if a guy knocks a guy out with punches? It says punches don't score.

If it's a knockout, then you win. But if he just boxes him up and the guy's still standing after three rounds? So 10 punches and one body kick, the body kick will win. What? Every time. That's crazy. Unless you're Raymond Decker and you knock people out. So that's a different story.

Wow, so they really must be into body kicks. That's like to them, that's the most important kick, the body kick. You go to Thailand and it's a completely different contrast to what you see here in America or in Australia. But it's so beautiful to watch too. Well what do you think about a guy like Simon Marcus is a really famous like really high-level Muay Thai fighter and then he fights for glory they take away that clinch you know they take away like what percentage of his game do you think gets eliminated when they take that away?

You have to get back into the gym and readjust as well because I'm the same as me when I went to K1 I was sort of doing okay but i was losing as well because i'd fight the thai style and then i'd lose the guys that were punching and it'd be like 30 27 and this guy hasn't hit me all around i've kicked the out of him right and then i've lost what the hell what about nathan corbett he also fought in uh glory he fought tyrone spong and again they take away your clinch they take away a lot of his weapons yeah his main thing is the elbows. He's the elbow killer. He's had like 50 fights.

Probably 60 fights. 50 or 45 knockouts. And then 30 of them are by elbow. And then all of a sudden... And then they take his elbows away. That's so crazy. What's the name of this guy? Nathan Corbett.

You never heard of Nathan Corbett? He's a bad motherfucker. But he looked a little... I mean, not out of his element, because obviously he's fought that style before. But, you know, when you watch him with the elbows and the clinch and everything, and you, it's like, it feels, but it feels odd seeing that, that aspect removed, because it's still stand up, it's still striking. Like, why would they remove? It's like saying no uppercuts. Yeah. Sorry, no body punches, you only punch the face.

If there was no body punching everybody would just come out like this you know like everybody would have like super high hands nobody would ever worry about their body you'd have a totally different thing and then you will let in body punching and some guy's going to come over rip a left hook to your liver like what he wasn't ready for he didn't know because you don't allow them to do it and that's what you're seeing with like glory you're not allowing these guys to do like one of the best aspects of striking and then with muay thai in general too like it's so hard to find a full muay thai show these days like full thai like five rounds a lot of guys are going three threes now for the promotions and then i think the main concern is if i do an elbow

fight i bring someone from thailand or australia to america and the fight lasts 30 seconds and the guy gets cut i've just wasted 10 grand on a plane tickets in It's one of the big concerns. Yeah, man, I get it But still just it's I think if you're representing martial arts like on television I mean they can do whatever they want that Japanese had their ideas We don't have to keep the same ideas as the Japanese with glory. I think they should go with that's why I like lion fight I really like what they're doing, man. I like their full Muay Thai.

Yeah, I'm a purist as well. So they can clinch? Clinch. They hold on to each other. They throw each other. They dump each other. They hold kicks. And they hold a little catch a kick

and fucking kick your leg out from under you. John, what do you think about the multiple fights in a night, single night? I used to do... You're a fan of it? I've done a couple of them before. I won a big one in Thailand, in Bangkok. When I was younger night I used to do a fan of it I've done a couple of them before I want a big one in Thailand in Bangkok when I was young I used to love him but now I know a bit older the body doesn't repairs is fast in between the breaks anymore because when I was watching glory that's the

main thing I was thinking about those guys who would have a battle that first fight and have to go back out my day how about Joe Schilling Joe Schilling fought four rounds Simon Marcus yeah they go to the third round it's a and then have to come back out. I'm like, dang. Well, how about Joe Schilling? Joe Schilling fought four rounds of Simon Marcus. They go to the third round. It's a draw. They have to fight a fourth round. He's got two fights after that. Knocks Marcus out in the fourth fucking round.

Then he's got to fight Wayne Barrett. Then he's got to fight Artem Levin in the final. How crazy is that? Fuck. It's too much. Yeah, it's hard. It's so hard. Cesar Ferreira and Sam Alvey.

This is a good fight. Ferreira's a monster. Really good fight. What do you know about Cesar Ferreira and Sam Alvey. This is a good fight. Ferreira's a monster. Really good fight. What do you know about Alvey? Alvey was a contestant. He was on Team Carwin on Ultimate Fighter. And I've got to be honest, I'm surprised the kid's here now because when he was on Ultimate Fighter, I was a guest coach,

he would quit a lot. He'd quit all the time. And I was like, oh, this kid doesn't have it. He would quit while he was training? Yeah, he got injured, and then he came back for a little bit, and he was their first pick. He was their very first pick, and it did not work out on the show. He seems pretty happy.

So I was like, oh, the kid doesn't have it. So he went to MFC in Canada, did great there, and then got back in the UFC. He won his last fight against Tom Watson. And now Cesar, the guy he's fighting, I trained with for a while with Vitor's camp. He's like little Vitor. So this guy's a freak athletically. He trained under Anderson Silva for two years. He trained with Lyoto Machida, and now Vitor's like protege,

and he's such a good athlete, man. Yeah, I watched him fight Sergio, what is his name, for the title, the Ultimate Fighter of Brazil. Yeah, yeah. Sergio Pena. No, the Ultimate Fighter of Brazil? Yeah, yeah. Sergio Pena? No, it wasn't Pena. He looks thinner. He looks a lot thinner than he did in the Ultimate Fighter, this guy, Cesar.

Yeah, we went down. He did? Yeah. Oh, there it is. He's fighting 185. I think he was 205 then. He's gotten smaller. I think.

Does that make sense? Yeah, that's what it looks like. Hi. Where's the hearts? There they go. We got to come up with something for them. He's all tits. They're going to start throwing tens up.

There we go. His fighting style is crazy, man. I don't think the ginger has a chance here. He's big. The ginger is tough, though, man. Really tough. In his last couple of fights, he beat Tom Watson. You know Tom.

He did beat Tom Watson. Different athlete, though. Caesar's a different animal, man. Sergio Morai, that's who it was. It was driving me fucking nuts. I'm trying to remember his name. Cesar's one of the best athletes in the UFC that I've seen. Sergio Morai choked out Krohn.

He was like the first guy to beat Krohn when he got his black belt. Capoeira. That's his background. Damn. Capoeira. Dude, that was nice. He threw that shit like a jab. It was fast. You haven't seen mine, but yeah. Look atira. Dude, that was nice. He threw that shit like a jab. It was fast. You haven't seen mine, but yeah.

Look at that. Front kick. He gets more comfortable, man. Give us some volume, young Jamie. He's going to be a fucking nightmare. Oh, another one. Hit him with the front. Look at him. He's jabbing his body. Speaking of body shots. Hey, Sam, go ahead and fly 17 hours to Brazil and fight Cesar Mutante. Enjoy this, my man.

I like that. I like that. Cesar's on that tough contract speaking of tough contract i made a mistake last time i was on your show john the fight companion i said i got paid 10 and 10 or 8 and 8. it was actually 14 and 14. my bad oh i just learned that they just said hey please please let people know that you actually made 14 to fight Noguera, and I made 14 and 14 to fight Mirko Krokop. My bad. My bad, Joe Silva, Dana White. I got you.

That's all it is? There was no bonuses or anything else involved? I did get a bonus. I was just talking about contractually. I got a bonus for knockout of the night when I fought Mirko Krokop. Rich as shit. For that night. For that night. I bought Mirko Kroka. Rich as shit. For that night.

I bought a car and some chains. What is your football background exactly? I never really got into that. Did you play pro football? I had a cup of coffee with the Buffalo Bills and then went back home. Practice squad? Yeah. I played Division I football for the University of Colorado.

What position? I was a tight end. You got good Really? Yeah. You got good hands? Yeah. You got to say your hands got to be amazing if you're a white guy. Yeah, not bad. You can't be a white tight end and drop balls.

He's pretty fast. I agree 100%. Right? Yeah, you're right. They're not going to let white guys drop any balls. No. You could be a black guy and you could drop balls because you're going to make it up later. White guys?

Is Brendan really white? I got to be honest. That was the first time I realized in sports that it's a business when I got to Buffalo. I was like, oh, shit, it broke my heart. I'm like, oh, it's really not a team concept, and they don't give a shit about me. It broke my heart, man.

Really? Oh, dude, he's throwing that wheel kick a lot. Threw it again. Alvy is yet to get something significant off. He's trying to figure him out, man. Good luck. How was your college career? You played

for Colorado? Yeah. The gold helmets? Yeah, the gold helmets. You started? No. I worked in... I had a first round and a sixth round draft pick ahead of me. Oh, shit. When you got to the bills like what was it that made it seem like a business broke your heart uh when you when when i got

there i was in a draft pick as a free agent you know so you're basically like a body that they're bringing in yeah and it was like they wouldn't even talk to me and look me in the eye they're just like uh 43 over there man get the fuck over there you know wow yeah just a body they don't give a shit about you they just don't have time for it they don't have time to me and look me in the eye. They're just like, 43 over there, man. Get the fuck over there, you know? Wow. Yeah, just a body. They don't give a shit about you. They just don't have time for it. They don't have time to be a friend, though. You got to understand that, right?

It's a business. Well, that's when I first realized, because you go from college, which is about a team and hard work, and we have this goal, until you get to the NFL. It's like, oh, we don't have anything invested in you. You're here. Oh! Dead!

Oh, shit. You're so dead. Oh, shit. Knock dead. Oh, shit. Knocked dead. Oh, boy. Huge win for Albie. Goddamn. Out of nowhere, he hit him with that left hook.

Dude, he was biting his fucking time. Biting his time. Landed that left hook, and you can see Caesar's lights get shut off. He's doing a red ram right there. I think he has a girl, or he did when he's on the show. You know what the problem is? Wow. Is with Cesar, what alarmed me is he goes, well, my training camp every night's a fight

night in Brazil. We spar so hard on Tuesday and Thursday night every night's a fight camp. When I heard that, I'm like, well, that's an issue. Your chin's not going to hold up for too much. It's already gone. Damn, son. It's two knockouts. CJ Dalloway.

Dalloway, now this, huh? CB Dalloway knocks him out, and then Alvy with this left hook. Watch this. Oh, that was sick. Boom. Watch this. Boom. Wow.

That was nice. Oh, my gosh. He even hesitated. He thought Mario was going to stop it. Look at that. Right hand, a little bit. Look at that. Right hand. Oh, that left. That was nice.

Sort of a shovel hook. He got shut off for a second right there. See that? Yeah, those are bolts of lightning. That's a huge win for Sam. That's the red rim. He does the red rim. Oh.

Oh. Does anyone know the smiley face haircut on the back? He has a smiley face, yeah. I thought I was wearing it. Look at him. Damn, that is dark. Look at those eyes. It's going to be a dark night for Caesar.

Callan, what did you think of that combo? I'm wondering if that's his sister or his wife, but they look good together. Don't be rude. They look good together. She knows they look good together, actually. I'm pretty sure that's his wife. I'm pretty sure. She's a beautiful woman.

I'm sure someone would tell me. He looks very happy. Hell yeah, he's happy. In Brazil, things are about to get weird. Unless that's his wife. Then something gets too weird. Maybe his wife's a freak. You never know.

You never know. You never know. You never know. Let's hope she is. Makes the story fun. Or, that was a good fucking combination, man. Nasty. Yeah. That Cesar Ferreira guy, what you a Ferrer guy what you said is giant where you says giant about those well

I was reading interviews and he goes I'm not too nervous because Every Tuesday and Thursday my camp is a fight night in Brazil. We spar so hard on it. Oh Caesar you have so much talent. Don't do that machete That's a proud's pronounced machete. Machete. Machete. You know, when you hear that stuff, it's not good, Joe. It's like the old school Brazilian top team and stuff like that with Wanderlust.

Just beating the shit out of each other in practice and taking. Yeah, they shoot box, guys. Yeah, shoot box, Brazilian top team. They just go hardest. Knocking each other out. Yeah, it's weird that they didn't know. before up before a match how hard do you spar boxing about 90% 90% and then we just play yeah you're just feeling each other out you're really not taking hits to the head no no in talk on more time you just play in

Thailand we don't even wear shin pads it's so controlled and. And then, you know, you can place your shin across. You can go out fast and then last second pull it. You know, it's like being a martial artist. It's harder to pull a shot than it is to let go. Right. So it's actually a good workout to do that. Yeah, it's so much fun. And then you're smiling and then end of it, no one's hurt, no bruises.

You're not limping and then you're still friends. Damn. I feel like, though, when you up the pace in a real fight doesn't it isn't it hard to kind of make that adjustment? Because you're going so hard on the pads and when I box spar I'm getting my workout because I'm trying to really hurt my mate who I spar with regularly and but there's no hard feelings and when we box but I don't know just the Thai style it's just the way they do it it's just you don't want so much on the and on the bag and then the clinching that you just working technique by the

time you get to the sparring part wow that's interesting man i think that's a smart strategy for someone who fights a lot too because the ties would fight pretty much every week right and i've had longevity i have no injuries because you don't need to get tougher you know how to spar and take hits you know you're tough enough when you get to that level. So it's just about repetition, getting comfortable. Yeah, that's the erroneous assumption, right? That fighting, training hard is going to make you tougher. No. If you're at that level, you're already pretty tough.

We don't need to challenge this. The Dutch, for instance, when they spar, they go pretty crazy. But they think of it, well, if I get hit in sparring like this when I fight, there's going to be no shock. But the Dutch go hard to the legs and the body, and they kind of lay off the head a little bit in some camps. Yes. In sparring like this, when I fight, there's going to be no shock. But the Dutch go hard to the legs and the body, and they kind of lay off the head a little bit in some camps. Yes.

And then like Mike's gym, they're known for knocking each other out. What was that gym called? Mike's gym. Golden Glory, right? Golden Glory, they knock each other out. Yeah, bad. Well, there's, you know, you're dealing with, you've got 18 murderers in a room together. All dudes.

They're all padded up. But it just takes a little bit of education. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's not going to work on some of those dudes I just got here from Morocco if your leader is if you're like we don't play that game son Yeah, and then I'm running a family gym, too So I want kids to come in I want my life the parents are watching I want them to feel comfortable They can write walk away without the kids getting knocked out

So when you have young kids spar when they first first learn how to spar, how do you emphasize like the playful aspect of it? They see us doing it and they just want to copy. And I tell them too, okay, before we start, everyone's going 10, 15%, no harder than 20%, otherwise you can sit out and not play. And then I'll just keep an eye on them as well. Hey, just make sure you- 10, 15%, no harder than 20%.

That's beautiful. And then when they want to go hard, you hit the bag, you hit the pads yes you work your technique you understand your timing and your confidence from and then you still get your timing with the sparring too you're still throwing it fast right you're still you're not gonna go slow you're not gonna land your shot so you're still and then just as you land on the ribs or the thigh or even across their neck just pull it back just land it there and leave it there for a second make sure everyone sees first and then take it down that's a smart way to do it but do you think they could do that with mma because you're dealing with takedowns and you have to be really quick with your sprawl you have to be quick with the transitions between grappling and

striking do you think it's possible to do that too we're still just pulling back on everything um i got to work with george san pierre for two weeks and that's yeah that's a weird play we wouldn't go any harder than 30 maybe but we were just um the whole time we're nice and controlled what if there was a kickboxing remote control robot that had punches that had like balloons like when they land it was a balloon and you could and you could really hit this what no seriously and you can you can hit this robot as hard as you can. So you're throwing hard punches, and it's throwing legit, you know, not as legit as me right here, of course.

It's going to happen probably. Right? Yeah, some really foamed up robot. And then someone, like the trainer is the guy who controls it. That would be like, you'd have to be really good at video games to be a great trainer. Yeah, like you could take someone who could never kick your ass ass but they could pilot a robot that can kick your ass yeah go in there and have to do and then they would see guys with the best robots and the best controller robots way before they even fight robots oh yeah sparring

robots think about it how cool that is a movie already. Yeah They're sparring robot well, they were giant robot. I did not see that each other they didn't fight people Well, you're that's different talking about sparring robots. Keep it real for boxing for kickboxing for the striking arts in general Yeah, for garage right coming up. It's a bza. What's going on with his facial hair? Is that his brother? I like it. Awesomeness. Is that really his twin brother? It might be.

Faking it as Edson? He looks so different. I've never seen a dude look so different with a beard. He looks good. He doesn't even have hair. First wheel kick KO ever in MMA history. Well, at least in UFC history. Is Michael Johnson, he started as a wrestler or was he a kicker first?

Wrestler first. Yeah, background. What's crazy about that knockout is I kind of called it, and I said that the only way he's going to have to take some risks, but if he takes a risk, he runs the risk of getting knocked out. Like as I said out, he was out cold. Like literally as I was saying knocked out, he's dead stiff flying through the air on his back.

It's crazy timing. Crazy. It's ridiculous timing to say that. Total dumb luck, but what a wheel kick. Who the fuck saw that coming? Probably the best knockdown you'll see in history. Right up there. Crow Cop, Gonzaga.

Pettis, Joe Lozon. That was a fucking sensational head kick. But something about Edson and Terry Edom when Terry Edom is just I was like oh shit that thing killed a guy dead stiff I thought he killed him there's a bunch of

Cro Cop Gonzaga is so crazy because no one thought Gonzaga would win that way how's Gonzaga going to head kick Cro Cop think about all the Cro Cop highlight reel head kicks how the fuck is Gonzaga gonna do that? Krokop's back, son. Krokop's back fighting Gonzaga, right? He's fighting Gonzaga.

In Poland. He's back. You know why, too, right? Why? Because they were talking to him with Bellator. Bellator was talking to him, and the UFC said, not so fast, son. Not so fast. Do you believe in the relationship? Was it Krokop you're talking about? K. Not so fast. Do you believe in that? We have a relationship. Is it Crow Cop you're talking about?

Crow Cop's back. Do you see Fedor? Fedor's signing with Bellator. Well, I mean physically signing autographs for Bellator. Oh, Jesus Christ. No, my dad scared the shit out of me. Look, I'm loyal to the UFC, but I would not be angry if they signed Fedor and Brock. If they signed Fedor versus Brock and it was on Bellator.

That would be fucking insane. I heard Brock talking about concussions, though. Yeah, he's talking about concussions, supposedly. But that's according to the pro wrestling guys. Who knows what angle they're playing. Those guys are always, there's so much showmanship and craziness in the world of pro wrestling. I'm starting to understand that better, being friends with Tony Hinchcliffe, because he fucking loves pro wrestling and he never stops talking about it.

I kind of understand. They play things out in advance, like way in advance for long periods of time. That's weird. They have these timelines, these storylines they follow. It's like soap operas. Yeah, exactly. But with big muscular men. Yeah, Brock's worried about concussions.

They might have some crazy match that they're setting up where Brock is scared to get hit in the head. And they start talking, he's scared to get hit in the head. And Brock runs away, like holding his head. Anything could happen with those guys. It's all scripted. It's so weird to me. It's so weird to me. How grown men get into it.

They get into it, dude. I dated a girl who was super into it, and it was hard to take her serious. It's all theatrics. You dated a girl who was super into it, and it was hard to take her serious. It's all theatrics. You dated a girl who was super into pro wrestling? It's all theatrics. Do you throw wheel kicks? I throw jumping, spinning back kicks. That's sort of like a wheel kick, right?

Not quite. But only if I'm winning. What's up, buddy? It's an inside joke. It's crazy inside. If I'm winning what's up buddy, it's an inside joke. It's alright. It's crazy inside if I'm winning I'm not gonna lose sort of thing then I'll throw it just for show for the fans But if not, I wouldn't throw it I make sure I'm winning first. Okay. Okay, so that's something if you're beating the guy's ass You might throw so like a slam dunk you don't only do it

You know that you do you think that it's easier to pull off like stuff like wheel kicks when you're adding in all the other Shit like takedowns and all the other things like so it makes it's easier to pull off like stuff like wheel kicks when you're adding in all the other shit like takedowns? And all the other things like so it makes it's like there's so many variables Then maybe you can get it off Whereas like if you're fighting in Muay Thai And you got all the leg kicks and all the things you could do much quicker and faster to land Yeah, it's like less high percentage that way the main trainer says just try and stay away from the tires would never do it Right never, but yeah yeah they never throw wheel kicks oh they they yeah Manson Gibson used to throw them right yeah yeah

yeah back in the day that had a vicious wheel kick yep but maybe they didn't throw them because uh just because they didn't throw them doesn't mean they they can't be really effective right I came from a background and then we used to do them all the time and back when I was like 11 12 and then when I got the kickboxing they said, don't throw any of those spinning kicks anymore. It's too dangerous. You've got to stay front on the whole time and keep a basic and round kick front kick. Were people getting knocked out when they started spinning? Is that what happened?

No. Did you see the last Glory? Did you see Glory? Yeah, but I don't know. Nikki Holtzkin fought Raymond Daniels. Raymond Daniels is a famous point fighter. He's got wild, crazy kicks. He's got one of the nuttiest knockouts in all of kickboxing.

He throws a jumping sidekick. You've seen me do it on a bag before. He throws a jumping sidekick, touches the bag with one leg, then spins in midair and spinning back kicks the dude in the face. It was crazy. That's crazy. You've seen it, Brent. It was ridiculous.

Raymond Daniels is a bad motherfucker. Meanwhile, Nicky Holtzkin swarmed him. Got right in front of him. Power punches to the body. Leg kick, leg kick, leg kick. Power punches to the body. And just took him out. Just took him out.

Kept it basic. Kept it basic. Kept it basic. And kept in his face, too. And pressure. No room to spin him. The one time that Raymond Daniels landed, he dropped him. He dropped Holtzkin with a spinning back kick. That's right. But Holtzkin got back up. And pressure. No room to spin him. The one time that Raymond Daniels landed, he dropped him. He dropped Holtzkin with a spinning back kick.

That's right. But Holtzkin got back up. And smiled. And fucking, yeah, it hurt. He's also ranked number one, right? Holtzkin's number one. Yeah, number one. He's an animal.

He's a straight beast. He's an animal. He's not the champ, though. Valtellini is another animal. Well, him and Valtellini fought. It was a really good fight up until the last round, and he knocked Valtellini out. It was a really good fight up until the last round and he knocked out Faltini was trying to come back and trying to like trying to like he was really being aggressive in the final round And that's when Holstein caught him

He's a ex-decker student to Nikki. Yeah, yeah Is there any tie guys dedicated? Sorry? I'm sorry I'm sorry, I don't want to talk over you didn't he it his fight his last fight. He's dedicated it to Ramona I think Raymond died a few years ago. Yeah, maybe before then Yeah, everyone dedicated their fight. Oh, no is the cop they gave him some sort of a some award There was some sort of Ramon Decker's thing What we gonna say gonna say? Forget it, man.

Forget it. You made me forget. Sorry, brother. John, in all your years, especially in Australia, has anyone ever picked a fight with you when you're out? No. Never, right? They just know. There's some people that attract it, I think, because I'm

so sort of just, hey, how you going, and smiling. I don't attract bad trouble trouble I guess where other guys they go out and they can't help it they act tough every Saturday

they get punched in someone else but for myself I'd rather have a joke and buy you a beer than trying to get because you're not getting paid

you're not getting famous you go to jail what the hell no upside you're not getting famous you're going to jail spoken like a true pro fighter

notice what he didn't say you're getting hurt yeah you're not getting paid you're not getting famous. You're going to jail. Spoken like a true pro fighter. He said that. Notice what he didn't say. You're getting hurt. Yeah. You're not getting paid. You're not getting famous. You're just fucking guys up. You're just going to jail. Now, are there any Thai guys that are famous?

There's got to be some wild, unorthodox Thai guys, a few of them that are throwing a lot of spinning crazy kicks that are not traditional. There was a guy called Sam Lach Kamsing. he won the first ever gold medal in the olympics for boxing and before he went to boxing he was a muay thai guy and he was a spinner he'd spin elbows spin back kick wasn't very successful he was successful with the back elbows but the the back kicks the ties would see him coming just keep him in the bum and push him over and keep him in the bum yeah yeah front kick front tip him tip him yeah it just takes too long to spin right that spin is just you just see it coming you're like what you gotta spin it

depends on how fast they are it wasn't it wasn't like a proper taekwondo it was a it was a thai spin so yeah a big difference a lot of taekwondo spins were used as defense as people are coming into you like i've seen i've seen jace win on you i've seen your spin on youtube and yours is insane so yeah yours would be a lot different to the ties but if you saw Brian's you would agree with the ties

yeah you would say yeah that shit ain't gonna work hey man hey man don't do that shit my spinning wheel kick is on YouTube you guys

and I was wearing a wig I don't want to hear it that style the style that you're seeing a lot of guys do is that point style there's no power to it that's the problem

with me I'm so, I'm so loose. That's why you don't see it. I'm so loose. My nickname is Butter. You don't see it in MMA. They call me Butter. Guys like him, they fall away. He hits the bag, and he falls away from it.

I fall over and faint. The mass of the bag forces his body away. I pull my rubella. That's the same in boxing, though, right? A lot of those Olympic guys who are gold medalists, they don't translate to the pros because they have kind of a point scoring system. And these pros are knocking dudes out. It's all about hitting the bag.

When it comes to kicking, it's all about hitting the bag. All those karate guys that you see throwing kicks in the air and they never hit anything, they never develop the ability to shift your weight. You know when you throw in a punch and you're like know you at the end of that punch you fucking you're hitting things all the time you're hitting me you're hitting the bag these guys are throwing kicks they're not hitting anything that's the number one problem with a lot of these traditional martial artists they don't they don't hit things a man way point of me. I had him kick my bag. I lived on a bag.

I almost cried. Tell him to get out. I fell over. I fainted. I shut down. He's not allowed in there anymore. He doesn't kick. He didn't grow up kicking things.

That's not true. He grew up in a terrible Taekwondo school that had him throwing flippy things in the air. He's an absolute champ. He's an absolute champ. He's an absolute champ. It's an outrageous statement. Tell him, Brian. I never saw him

compete while I was competing. Well, I'll have to find my library of video. I'll show you all my trophies. We'll actually

chit-chat. I gave my trophies to Chad. Bullshit. I had to melt it down, bro. I had to melt it down.

Into rings. And I gave it to the local orphanage. See, we're basically, we were probably in the same weight classes, which is so confusing. Same age, too, right? I traveled all over the world. Same age? You fought AAU, didn't you?

I fought all styles. Really? Because I was the American Taekwondo Championships. Yeah. I'm American, bro. I did that. I did the WTF. Dude, I'm standing right here.

I was having a stretch. I never saw you out there. Never saw you. Never heard of you. Never heard of you? That's weird, bro. Not that many guys. You know what? I believe you.

At a national level. I believe Brian Kelly. Do you, Eddie? You believe me? I believe him. Why would he lie? Hold on. Why would he lie?

Let's be very clear. I actually wouldn't lie about winning. I just don't think you're... I think you did Taekwondo. I don't think you're a national champ. Were you like a blue belt or something at think you did Taekwondo. I don't think you're a national champ. Were you like a blue belt or something at the time when you won the nationals? I don't think he was a national. Come on, you won the nationals as a black belt?

Yes, I fought in Iowa, the American Taekwondo Championships. I'm sure you can look this up. This is a great fight. Oh, we're watching this fight. Fuck your Taekwondo. Fuck your Taekwondo. I believe you, Brian. Damn, Michael Johnson's going on strong.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Brian, Eddie, Brian, believe me. Oh, shit. Michael Johnson's trying to test that chin. He's trying to test that chin, Brian. Damn, Michael Johnson's going on strong. Eddie, Eddie, your bra, your bra. Oh, shit. Michael Johnson's trying to test that chin. He's trying to test that chin, dude. He's trying to stay in his grill, son. Barbosa's been tagged a few times in the first round, and Michael Johnson's putting the fucking scare on him. Michael's smart.

Oh, that was a hard left hand. Because if you sit back, Barbosa goes to town, man. Yep. You stay on him. Johnson with the heavy, fast fucking hands. Shit, they are scrapping. Both fast. This reminds me of the way I You you don't know what did you win with I don't understand Oh you didn't hit him with double double spinning a double spinning

Okay, okay. Oh Damn the stuff I use was a little give me some volume young Jamie. You can't set this pace for three rounds. You can't. Yeah, well, you got a good point, Brendan. I mean, he can't go at it 100% for three rounds. Oh! But is Johnson coming off a loss? He's coming off a long layoff.

Yeah, he had an injury. His knee, right? I don't remember what it was, man. Didn't he lose to Tony Ferguson? Right, Eddie? He beat Tony Ferguson. His knee, right? I don't remember what it was, man. Didn't he lose to Tony Ferguson? I think he's lost. Right, Eddie? He beat Tony Ferguson. Did he beat Tony?

Fuck, man. He broke Tony's arm. He checked the kick. Broke his forearm. Ugh. He was out. Tony was out for over a year. It didn't heal right, the steel plate.

He had a lot of problems with his forearm. He had a lot of steel plate in that? Yeah, there was a lot of problems. Did he have the plate removed, or did he keep it in there? I don't know what's going on with that, but he's back 100% more ferocious than ever Barbosa was at least in the moly moly Yeah, that's a Gleason against Tony Ferguson. That's a great fight. Yeah, it is great It'd be crazy. Tony's training so goddamn hard. Of course. He is he's an animal I really love that able Trujillo fight. That was a strong fight for him man. He really showed great closure

Damn, Michael Johnson's got some fast fucking hands. That was a strong fight for him, man. It really showed his composure. Damn, Michael Johnson's got some fast fucking hands. There he does. He's really pressuring, man. I think it's so smart. But the pace, man, for three rounds. He's the guy that, in my opinion, has come up the most striking-wise since he joined the Black Zillions. If you watch him from the Ultimate Fighter to the Michael Johnson you see

tag up Joe Lowe's on, he's just a different striker now. I agree hit him or mitchell oh head kick by barbosa yeah i say johnson or mitrione with the black yeah mitchell and it's come a long way as well they have some rumble johnson what are we talking about what are we talking about rumble johnson's number one real quick how about that camp's killing it can we just say that well yeah right left, right left by Johnson, man. That right hook tagged him on the tempo. Can you be white and be hurt?

He might be hurt. Black Zillions? Yeah. Mitryon's white. Oh. Yeah, Mitryon's white as shit. He's white as shit, but he's street, too. He's like white as fuck.

Mitryon is street, though. Mitryon's like redneck, but he's street. No, he's street. There's nothing about street. He's Indiana. He's farm. He's farm. He's very street.

More country. Country strong. No, that's not the Mitryon very street. More country road. Country strong. That's not the Matt Maturin I know. Matt Maturin is down. Well, that's because he used to play Indiana. Oh, nice leg kick. Oh, nice clean left hook by Barbosa. Right eye of Barbosa.

Oh, there it is. There's that Callan. That's my back kick right there. There's that Callan kick. You're damn right it is. He's cut. Yeah, his eyes. His eyes fucked up.

He used that when he was coming in. See that? What I say. Use Pat Kicker's defense. You're always right about this shit. Thank you, buddy. It's like you were a national champ. Well, I was.

Even as a Muay Thai guy, you can't not respect guys who are on this hard. This is awesome. You can't not take your eyes off it. This is insane. When they let go. Do you prefer watching Muay Thai or do you prefer watching MMA? Now MMA is starting to get a little bit of a hit. Really? Wow.

Wow. I love both. Oh, right hand by Johnson. His left eye is cut now. He's cutting both eyes. Yeah, that last right hook tagged him. Really no respect. Johnson's just no respect.

Well, that's what Barbosa's had problems in the first round. I mean, you think about it, that's where last call, Danny Castillo cracked him in the first round, had him really fucking hurt. Donald Cerrone tagged him with that jab, dropped him in the first round. Jamie Varner fucked him up with that right hand. If you're going to catch him, catch him with punches. He was all over Donald in that first round, all over, and that jab dropped him. Yeah, Donald dropped him and choked him.

Is he still with... Do you guys know if he's still with Mark Henry? I believe he does some work with him. I know he was in one of Frankie's last camps. Yeah, because Mark Henry's a straight fucking magician. He's a mastermind in the sport. Doesn't get enough credit. You're right.

Is this 55? Holy shit. They're big 55ers, man. What happens when these guys fight Anthony Pettis? Pettis isn't sitting there learning to hit him like this. You think Pettis would knock both these guys out?

He's on another level. It seems like he is. No wind-up with power. He's got that shit. He's also, his movement, his waist, his liquor. And he'll finish you in a second. He's a that shit. He's also, his movement, his waist, his liquor. And he'll finish you in a second. He's fluid as fuck. Well, he's a perfect example of a guy who learned Taekwondo first and then went to a guy like Duke Rufus, who just is

a Muay Thai encyclopedia who's also been training MMA fighters for a long fucking time and knows how to put it all together. Now he gets his hand on CM Punk. Uh-oh. What, man? You didn't say nothing. I didn't say nothing. Have you heard some of the people talk?

Some of those fighters, man. Callan, could you beat CM Punk? They still haven't decided who they're going to give him. There's no timeline either. They had to have figured it out. I don't think he wants a timeline. I think he wants to learn how to fight. It's really smart, man.

I think what he's doing is the right way to do it. What is he doing officially? I don't even know. He's training with Duke until he's ready to compete. Is that what he's saying? He's saying, I'm not talking about shit until... He's just trying to... That could be a couple years.

I think it's... No. Yeah. That could be a couple years. At least. He doesn't get a couple years. No, UFC's not like, yeah, let's sign you and you'll fight in three years. No sign.

What are they giving him, six months? I don't know, but I'm sure they know pretty soon. They don't have a timeline. Literally, he said he wants to make a big deal out of it. They did this little announcement, and he said he wants to train until he's ready. That's not three years. I guarantee you the UFC is going to be like, three years, do what? Who knows?

Nah, bitch, here's a fight. Oh, shit, Eric Silva. Rashad Evans. Who are they going to pair him up with? Somebody obviously not a big name. That's in a month. Eric Silva, Ben Saunders. They're not going to pair CM Punk up with a real name.

I mean, a guy who's been fighting a long time. No, no, no. They're going to pair CM Punk up with a guy who should never be in the UFC. Right. Not shouldn't be in the UFC. I mean, shouldn't be in the UFC yet. A guy with like 1 and 0. You think?

Yeah. I bet they give him like an old washed up guy who's been in the UFC so we recognize the name. If you had to bet everything you own right now and and there's gonna be CM Punk versus Fallen Fox who would you bet everything you own right now Punk over Fallen Fox yes you destroy class yeah okay okay hey I would have picked CM Punk too damn Michael Johnson still going hard in the second round impressive man yeah impressive, man. Man, he looks good. Yeah, he doesn't have a strategic approach to this fight at all. He's just trying to test Barboza.

I think it's smart, man, trying to break his will. I like it. Yeah, fuck yeah, man. And he's already kept the leg kicks away because Barboza's been real careful about those counters. Yeah, he's hesitant, for sure. He hasn't been landing nearly as many leg kicks as he has in some of his fights. Really smart, man.

And a southpaw, too. And a southpaw, too. Yep, southpaw, too. Do you like when you see southpaws in MMA and it opens up that inside leg kick? Yes. You've got to stay really basic when you're fighting a southpaw. Inside is right kicks and right hands, right hand left hooks. You can't do the flashy stuff against a southpaw. It doesn't work.

Really? I don't believe so. Now, when you have the orthodox fight in the southpaw, It doesn't work. Really? I don't believe so. Now, when you have the orthodox fight in the southpaw, it opens up the back leg. Power kick though, right? Because it's a soft side. Set it to the back. But you can't rely on your switch. You can't use your front teep as much anymore.

It's taken away a lot of weapons. Ooh, good body kick. Ooh, damn. He hurt him with that left hand. Why can't you use the front teep as much? Oh! Sitting down on those punches. How is he taking Damn, he hurt him with that left hand. Why can't he use the front teep as much? Oh! Oh! He's sitting down on those punches.

How is he taking those shots? Nasty. Oh! Damn, that was a quick switch. If Johnson slows down, Barbosa can start letting loose. Yeah, and letting loose with those kicks. Is he good late in the fight, Barbosa? Oh, yeah.

He's got cardio. He's better off cardio training with Frankie Edgar. And for the record, CM Punk would kick my motherfucking ass. And fall in thoughts. Not if it went to the ground. Don't get it twisted. I don't know. There's punches involved. Anything can happen. On the record, CM Punk would fuck

me up, and he's got way bigger balls than me for stepping in the cage. I was just doing jokes. Your false humility is hurting my feelings. No, no, no. That's true. No, no, no, no. Hey, hey.

No, no, no. That's not being humble. If I fought CM Punk, he'd fuck me up. Listen, dude. That guy's done pro wrestling. Oh, you got me, you fuck. You did get me. Dude, I'm not even fucking with you. That was me.

No, I'm serious. That was a little jokey. Let's watch this fight. Oh! Oh! Michael Johnson got tagged. He got tagged, dude. Barbosa just cleaned. Oh, there's Mark Henry. He's in his corner. Oh! Oh! Michael Johnson got tagged. He got tagged, dude. Barbosa just cleaned.

Oh, there's Mark Henry. He's in his corner. That was a clean right hand. Yeah, you're going to be in trouble. You're going to get tagged, right? You're going to open yourself up being this aggressive. It's just a matter of time. He definitely got tagged right there.

It's also a matter of Barbosa being able to weather the storm. I agree. Oh! Johnson tagged him. Oh, a little wobbled. His legs are a little shaky. Oh, he's trying to take him down. I agree. Oh! Johnson tagged him. Ooh, a little wobbled. His legs are a little shaky. Ooh, he's trying to take him down. Look for the fucking takedown.

Just that power thrown against the cage. Some big heaving breaths here, folks. I think he was rocked there. Yeah, no doubt. Oh, my God, he's on his back. This is not good. This is not good for Edson. Isn't he a black belt in jiu jitsu i don't

know man i don't i don't remember right now i don't think so eddie there are black yeah i don't yeah if you're if you're an aggressive guy landing your cardio lasts longer than aggressive guy of losing uh not not landing as much if you keep landing all of a sudden sudden, you're like, I got him, I got him, I got him. You just keep pumping the rounds out all the time. But as soon as you start losing... The confidence gives you gas. As soon as you start missing, you're like, oh shit, I'm tired. But while you're landing, every time you rock team too.

It's a purple belt. Really? Yeah. Purple belt in Jiu-Jitsu. He works with Ricardo Almeida down there in New Jersey. He's looking for that kick, man. He's going to set up that head kick, son. Oh.

Dang, Johnson's just coming, man. Johnson's winning the Super Bowl. Hey, John, how come you never saw Superman punches? Oh! Damn, that was a nice right hand, too. How come you never saw Superman punches in Muay Thai? Very, very rarely. But you see it so much in MMA.

What is that? I think the little gloves. The little gloves make the hell of a difference. Yeah? Even George. When George throws them, it seems the rock guy's head's back. But you do that in 10-ounce gloves and nothing happens. It's like, boom.

All right. Right. That was funny. But you do it in MMA gloves, all of a sudden it's just rock your world hmm and George does off his jab too which is not a hard punch you say it's just kind of flashy oh damn it's not gonna be a Michael Johnson don't call me I mean sorry Michael you know who you're watching so ugly Michael Michael. MJ, MJ. I met MJ. You get two leg kicks from John now. Black guy number two.

Damn. I just lean into leg kicks, just so you guys know. When I train just leg fighting in the Philippines. Leg fighting? That's it. The Philippines? Yeah. I was third place.

Were you national champ for that too? I took third place. I had the virus. I had a virus. You had the worm. I had third place. Were you national champ for that too? I took third place. I had the virus. I had a virus. You had the worm. I had the runs. You're not buying this national champ stuff with Callum. First of all, let's not get carried away with national champs.

That's what you told me. There was something called the Nationals in Iowa in 1987. I can't remember exactly where. I'll find out. I can actually find out. Watch this. Hold on. I'm going to find out. I can actually find out. Watch this. Hold on. I'm going to find out.

I'll get you all the details. I asked the Twitter universe to send me pictures of Callan winning. No one, right? Nothing. I'll get all the info. It just doesn't make any sense that everyone that I knew from back then doesn't know of you either. Well, because they're all stupid. I don't know what was going on.

I don't understand. Callan, it was the 80s. It was the late 80s. We didn't have fucking the internet. No one stored shit. What was the term? I believe it. It's just like, what did you guys kick?

Did you kick paddles or did you... Banana trees. Banana trees. No, bags. Who did you fight in the finals? Do you have a name? Because I remember everyone I fought ever. I fought Rich Spillane. I don't remember who I fought. Believe it or not, my friend. I know the last Because I remember everyone I fought. I fought Rich Spillane.

I don't remember who I fought. Believe it or not, my friend. I know the last guy I fought. He knocked me out. And I know the guy I fought before him because I knocked him out. But in Taekwondo, it's like a shitload of guys, right? Like you're competing all the time. Like Jiu-Jitsu, I don't remember.

I don't remember Jiu-Jitsu fights. I remember Jack McVicker. That's it. That's a great name. This fucking fight is crazy. Jesus Christ. Even in the third round, these guys are throwing, man. Oh, there he is.

He went for it. See, and he slipped. See, I told him he shouldn't do that. Damn. He is throwing some fast kicks. I think they told Barbosa he's down too. That was a four-header. So we'll see what he says, okay?

Let's wait. Would you say that Michael Johnson can throw more kicks? Because he doesn't throw that many. Oh, that was a nice one to the body. I'm sorry, John. I asked you a question. I think we cut you off. What about the front leg teep?

What about the southpaw stance takes away the teep? If you're standing orthodox and you've got your left leg forward and then you're both uh orthodox the left leg's gonna go through the center as soon as you go to southpaw all of a sudden this leg's gonna check it you can check your stomach a lot uh but protect your stomach a lot easier so now everything's gonna be off the right leg instead of the front leg you know what i mean i see what you're saying yeah it land flash here but as soon as i stand here now all of a sudden i've got this leg now right right i see what you're saying. What weight do you fight at typically?

Middle weight. 72 and a half. And what do you walk around at? 85, 86. Oh, jeez. Yeah. And in Muay Thai, you cut weight just like MMA the day before? I start 10 weeks out and slowly go down, slowly go down, and then lose probably the last five or six. Jesus Christ

This is a John's on him. This is a war. I mean these guys are not fighting. They're trying to kill each other This is a like this, but Johnson set a very aggressive pace. It's insane. I'm still keeping it up Yeah, it's almost like he's trying to prove a point or make a big statement I was a big kick to the body right there who's winning winning so far? How are those kicks to the body scored? Same as punching? Do you really think Johnson's up in that second round? I wasn't paying enough attention. Yeah, I do. I think it's 2-0 and he got

that takedown. That's right. We are in Brazil, though. Yeah. And he did rock Johnson with that one punch. Johnson rocked him, though, too. But Chandler. Johnson rocked. Case control. He's pushing the action. Chandler can easily be Brazilian. Easily. Oh!

That was a beautiful combination. Dude, Johnson is on fire. Oh, damn, son. Good kick to the body there, too. He's coming out. He's trying to finish. A lot of blood coming out of the nose. Oh, good kick.

Damn, that's a hard kick. How's he taking that? He throws that kick so fast, man. There's so little windup. Oh, that's a hard kick. How's he taking that? He throws that kick so fast, man. There's so little windup. Oh, that's another thing, John. What do you think about a lot of these guys you've seen in MMA, like Lyoto? They throw karate style. There's no step.

What do you think about the varying differences between the karate style that you're starting to see from a lot of these guys and like thai style yeah i'm i'm loving it i love the variables the versatility i love i love having um the culture of karate coming back again all of a sudden showing that it is an actual form and is actually working yeah i don't want to be a one person oh my thai is going to beat everything no i like taekwondo i like karate i like I like boxing. I like MMA. I like everything. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. If you can throw an amazing spin kick, I reckon it's amazing. Instead of your traditional,

yeah, if you can do the cool stuff. Well, you know, that open-mindedness is probably one of the reasons why you became a great fighter in the first place.

You were thinking, you know, oh, damn, Barboza has some really fucking fast kicks, man. Super fast. Like, from the chamber, like, right from the launch, he's throwing some

awful fast kicks. Not really landing, though. Johnson's very aware and ready. It's pressure, man. Pressure's incredible. And the ones that have landed, Johnson's eating them well. Encounter. Ooh. Take some crazy shots. This just shows you like how high level mma is these guys have dedicated like their heart and soul for years to get to this point and both of them would get lit up but cardio

i mean how do you last this long there's only one takedown attempt as well the whole fight as well yeah it's pretty much pretty much um mostly stand yeah. You're seeing that a lot, man. You're seeing that a lot. There's many, many fights that go by now. It used to be very unusual that there was no grappling at all in a fight. Now it's pretty common. I think that's because of the pressure from the fans.

As he takes them down. I think that's a number of things, though. If you're a grappler, it's frowned upon. Callan, what do you think about what he just said? I would agree. But as a master wheel kicker who was kind of in a national, national championship. Yeah, I was in the, yeah.

I mean, it was kind of a national championship. If you read the Taekwondo Times and the Gazette. And if you do, you're a loser. Johnson won that 3-0. Johnson won that fight. 3're a loser. Johnson won that 3-0. Johnson won that fight. 3-0. Definitely. At least 2-0.

3-0, really? I think 3-0. But it's Brazil. It might be a split decision. That was a very impressive performance, I'll tell you that. He went after him. It's racist, man.

Chats. Some of my hardest fights have been doing the kata. Is that right? No. Yeah. Oh. The kata. Is anyone taking me? I'm going to fight myself. Don't? No. Yeah. Oh. Nakata.

Is anyone taking Mir? I'm going to fight myself. I mean, Kata's very personal. That's not the main event, son. Please. Okay, so we'll take that seriously. Can I ask you this?

Do you ever use open eagle claw here? Look at that right there, dude. The Dimecq. What do you guys think about the main event here, Frank Mir and Bigfoot? Damn, Frank needs to win. There's only one guy who needs to win more than I do. It's Frank Mir and Bigfoot? Damn, Frank needs to win. There's only one guy who needs to win more than I do. It's Frank Mir.

Bigfoot needs to win, too. He just got knocked out by Orlovsky. Here's my question. Is he allowed to do TRT in Brazil? So Bigfoot lost to Kane, right? He lost to Kane. He had a draw with Hunt, but then they took it away, tested positive. It's not even tested positive.

He had a license to take testosterone. They tested him before the fight. He was one level. They tested him after the fight. He was off the charts. So that means in the locker, pride style son. And he's getting sued by his doctor because he tried to say that it was

his doctor's fault. Now his doctor's suing him. So he's really 0-3. Mayer's 0-4 or 0-5? 0-4. You know, I don't think you'd say he's 0-3 after that fight with Bigfoot. Or with Marc Hunt, rather. Because all due respect, it was such a fucking war. Yeah, maybe he was on some chemical assistance.

But god damn, that was a fucking war. For sure, but it wasn't a win. So I'd say he's 0-2. 0-2-1? I'm going to say it's so fucking hard to tell. What do you call that? You're either going to say the fight never happened, or you say it was what it was, which was a draw. I don't think we can celebrate it.

I don't think you celebrate it. Well, you can celebrate it as a performance, though, because god damn, that was a performance by both guys. So much so that I have a Roots of Fight, a very limited edition bigfoot hunt silva 2 before the drugs uh the drug test yeah uh came back came out like they made this jacket and dana sent me one and we were laughing and he gave it to me because he loved that fight dana loved that fight and then when it turned out they got the drug test back and they found out that Bigfoot was through the roof,

he was so disappointed. He was just so depressed. He had these jackets made up. Because it was a classic. Yeah, it was a jacket. Bigfoot Hunt 2. I was really sorry. That's so crazy.

I was really sorry for that one, too. Were you really? I was from a meteor away from it. Insane. Oh, my God. Is there a steroid problem in kickboxing? I don't know. Do they test?

We don't test. But in Thailand, wow. Then it's not a problem. I'll help you, John. Then you got a problem. No, then you don't have a problem because you're not

really caring. Well, I wouldn't say problem, but... It's an issue. Would you say, in your opinion, what do you think, let's say pride,

all the pride fighters and all the pride fights, would you say the number would be 70% of pride fighters were on something, 80, 90, or 100? What would you say? I can't say. I didn't fight back then. I don't know.

If you had to guess, based on the things you hear. When I talked to Ensign Inouye, who fought in pride and didn't do shit, he didn't take anything. If you talk to him, I bet he's right, and I bet it's most people. So probably most means like 70, 60, 70, something like that. But he said it was in the contract that they don't test for steroids. They wrote it down in the contract. That's weird. I think Mark Kerr was a prime example of someone that might have done something.

He wrestled at 88. No, dude. He was all positive thinking. Mark Coleman? I don't know about Kerr. I don't know about Kerr. If he would have did stories, he would have been huge. Same with Ken Shamrock.

Mark Coleman. Yeah, all those guys. Dan Bobish. So really, the reality is we know probably, we're pretty certain if you had to bet all the money you had you would go yeah most of the pride fighters maybe 90 maybe you'd have to go with that and no one's questioning their legacies no exactly at all no one's quite and we know they were they promoted it they put it in their contract but the thing is it does no one tested positive once

people test positive then people get angry. Then the trolls come out. Then people share their opinions. Then people write all these fucking pieces about it. And then it becomes a real thing. Is it the nerds that sucked at sports that are talking shit? No, it's a lot of people that are purists. They don't want to see that shit. But it's always been in every major sport, we're pretending that it's not.

I think if you're around sports, you're going to be more accepting of it. Like, you're going to be like, all right, the guy's on shit, whatever. He's still a great athlete. If you've never competed in sports and you stick behind a computer and eat Cheetos all day, you're going to be like, this is ridiculous. Yes, that's why they're better than me. Yeah, that's bullshit. I could have been in the NFL if I did the same shit.

Oh, really? Go take the same shit and try to do baseball like Barry Bonds. Exactly. Everyone's pretending, right? Yeah, there's shit and try to do baseball like Barry Bonds. Yeah. Exactly. Everyone's pretending, right? Yeah, there's a lot of that. That's what's going on. Everyone's going, okay, let's pretend test. We're going to have a pretend press conference.

We're going to have a pretend news fucking media thing. Everything's pretend. No, no, no. The testing is fucking for real. They're spending a shitload of money. The conferences, the press conferences, that's all for real. Everybody that's testing, everybody that's involved, they know the reality. The testing is just to somehow make it look like they care.

No, no. The testing is to try to eliminate it. The testing is to try to bust people, and now they're going to give them huge fines. Now they're going to kick them out for like two years. Two or four years, right? Like Dana said, I went live four years. Man, I don't know about any of that. What are you talking about? That's what they're doing.

Eddie, that's what they're doing. Because they have to kind of do it and they have to kind of say it. Well, they have to do it because they want to do it. They want to clean up the sport. I know this from the top down. They do want to get the steroids out of sport because it's bad for their business. These guys keep getting tested positive for steroids,

and it keeps showing up in all these news. It becomes a part of the story that makes it unattractive to advertisers. It makes it look like what the worst stereotype is, this thuggish sport that's filled with criminals and people doing unethical things and Lance Armstrong and cheaters and all that. Barry Bond. And that's not the sport.

Everyone's still doing it. Right? But that's what they're trying to eliminate. How else would you have them eliminate it? With random testing, though. That's how they have to test. Random testing's going to catch everybody. They're never going to eliminate it.

Isn't there, didn't that Victor Conte, wasn't he saying, when he said that they got steroids now that'll get out of your system really quick and that's what everyone's really on is the shit that gets out of your system within days and they're just taking maybe Lance Armstrong can he just said like on isn't that what he's saying in his podcast or maybe I heard wrong but you might be right in me apparently the podcast with me I don't know about it I don't know if it was yours to go over it again and listen because we talked about a lot of different apparently have you heard of this if you heard of that there's like designer steroids they get in and out of your

system really quick, right? Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think financially a lot of guys in the UFC are going to be able to afford those. That's like at a high level. You're talking about Lance Armstrong. You're talking about NFL guys. For real? So there are different steroids that get out of your system really quick that are super expensive?

That's what Victor Conley said. That's what I've heard. That's what all the top guys are doing. Yeah, like there's steroids that they're ahead of the testing. Well, you know what I feel like? He was a guy that would know because he was a part of that whole thing with the clean. They would put that. It's like a gel they would put on these guys, and they would pass all their tests.

And that's what the Balco scandal was all about was a designer steroid that they created. So if that's what he's saying I mean that makes sense that this but you know it's gonna eliminate it the UFC doing random testing is real fuck guys Brendan But but it's great what they still in your opinion. Do you think? professional football players Do steroids don't eat into the microphone. Yes, you think they do? 100%. So after all this shit, you still have professional athletes still doing it? After all the tests? It's always going to be a part of sports.

In cycling, are they still doing it? 100%. So how are they going to clean it up in MMA? It's not possible. Technology is going to just... It's not possible. Technology is always going to be ahead of the testing. I won't say it's impossible, but you can catch guys with this random testing.

I think it's. I don't think anybody's really trying. I think it's just a show. But now, is it a show, Eddie? Because now if you get caught dancing, you're out two to four years. If you're a Roy Nelson or a Brendan Schaub and they tell you you're out for two or four years, you're done. You're done fighting. So are you going to risk

taking steroids? If you know you're going to be... Are these the harshest laws in professional sports? That's what they're trying to get done. Is that what's going on? Yeah. How come it never got to that point in football? They're still doing it.

True. That's a good point. Football doesn't have a state athletic commission behind them like Nevada. Is that what's going on? Absolutely. It's 100%. So football doesn't have a state athletic...

They don't have to have a state athletic commission that sanctions their fights. They self-test. That's why the NFL or the NBA doesn't test for pot. They make it in their contracts. They don't have to deal with the athletic commission's rules. They figured out a way to get around it. No sports.

They don't have anybody to answer to. Well, they didn't have anybody to answer to. The Nevada State Athletic Commission sanctioned the UFC to make it legitimate. Because the UFC was this crazy sport that was actually outlawed. Football was never outlawed. So football didn't need to be cleaned up to the point where some regulatory body consents to having them perform in their state. Also, in the NFL, those guys aren't punching and kicking each other in the face. So there should be stricter punishment when it comes to fighting steroids.

That's what you're getting into. You're getting into punching and kicking in the face. I didn't sign up for extra punching hard in the face. I signed up for medium punching. I didn't want to get punched really hard. It doesn't make any sense. You're getting in a fight in a cage. You guys are throwing down.

I don't get it. I don't know. I'm not sure what you're saying saying i'm just saying that i think it's a big show i mean everybody knows everyone's doing shit so you're saying they shouldn't do anything about it yeah i'm saying this is all i'm saying they should they if it worked for pride let them do i'm saying they should have pride rules pride format pride a pride regulation that's what i'm saying i think that's bad for the sport. Was it bad for pride? Did pride go down because of steroid? They didn't do well. That's why pride went down.

They didn't have any advertisements. Yeah, pride went under. Dodge and Harley Davidson were jumping on board. Bob Sapp. But did it have to do with the steroid use? The steroid use made pride crumble. I'm sure it was a part of it. You can't have guys juiced to the gills.

But how did that correlate with demise of Pride? I don't get it. Because guys have traps hanging out of their fucking ears, punch each other in the face. So Harley Davidson's like, yeah, obviously that guy's not natural. That's just not... this is a false premise. What happened with Pride was the Yakuza. That's what happened. There's a lot of problems. First of all, Japanese are different than us, and they go in fads. They have fads. And sometimes those fads are

gigantic, huge things, like, you know, they would fill 90,000 seat arenas with kickboxing. Not anymore, man. Really? Yeah. Just things happen. Things change. You know? Nope. Nope. Not into the mic. See how I do that? It's another thing that people complained about.

Well, what about... I promise I'll never do that again. Back to... Back to probably... What about Fedor? Do you reckon he was on something? You know what? Until you know for sure,

you can't say you know, but I would imagine the possibility is high. He didn't look it. Fuck he didn't. He looked high. He didn't look it. Fuck he didn't. He looked big. He looked big and mean. Go back and look at what he looked like when he fought Fujita. Go back and look at what he looked like. He was a thick

motherfucker. He didn't look anything like he looked when he fought Bigfoot Silva. So what happened? Did he stop lifting weights? That's possible. Or did he stop taking whatever the fuck he was taking? That's possible too. When Anderson Silva tests positive, fuck he was taking? That's possible, too. When Anderson Silva tests positive, I would have never guessed. I owe everyone an apology.

I told people John Fitch would never take steroids. Because John Fitch told me that, and I believed him. In your late 30s, you're trying to compete in MMA. I mean, it's almost impossible. I don't even know. It ain't easy. Would you rate Fedor even better than he already is for beating guys that are on steroids? Yes, unless he was on steroids when he was beating those guys that were on steroids.

You don't know, man. Look, he's obviously in the pocket of some very wealthy people who would want him to do well at all costs. I don't know what the ramifications of those conversations are. Fedor? But I do know that I had heard unsubstantiated reports of how he got paid and who got the actual money. And you know, he's dealing with some very fucking powerful people. Yeah, when Putin's at the show, there's something going on. There's a lot of other people behind the show that also were very wealthy.

Look, there he is right there. Fedor. That Fedor with Bigfoot on top of him, smashing him, has no relationship whatsoever to the Fedor that beat so many guys in Pride. He's also older, though. He is. And Bigfoot's there. He had his exemption.

Yep, he did have his exemption. He was huge back then. He is old. All those things are correct. You're right. But I still... I mean, he probably had his exemption. Yep, he did have his exemption. He was huge back then. All those things are correct. You're right. But he was certainly diminished because of just sheer training, trauma fights, some high-level fights against some big guys for a long career. There was all that, too. And he even changed his style of training.

True. He stopped with the weightlifting. I don't think, like. Sometimes guys just get old. They might not be on steroids. They just get old. Washed up. That shit happens when you get punched in the face. That definitely happens. What do you guys think? Frank May or Bigfoot? Bigfoot.

I gotta go with Frank May. I didn't like the way Bigfoot went down against Arlovsky. He looked crazy. It looked like his chin had evaporated. I'm go with Frank Mir. I didn't like the way Bigfoot went down against Arlovsky. He looked crazy. It looked like his chin had evaporated. I'm also taking Frank Mir, surprisingly. You are? Yeah. You're going Frank Mir for Joe?

Not for me. For Frank. No, I'm saying you're going with Frank Mir. Yeah, I'm going with Mir. I think Mir can win this fight. But I wouldn't be surprised if Bigfoot took it to him. By submission? He could win by submission.

Bigfoot's never been submitted, and he's a black belt. Well, he's giant. I know. Do you see when Fedor went for that leg lock on him? He was laughing. I was like, damn, son. No, no, no. Laughing.

Fedor. I just want to see Frank win, man. He looks in good shape. I mean, I watched some footage of him training. He looks like he worked hard for this. He had Ricky Lundell in his corner. He did a lot of training with him. A lot of work on his grappling.

Fucking hard, man. At this age, it's hard. Yeah, I realize. Frank was 22. He's been fighting the ufc his entire life yeah dude i was there back then watching it i mean i didn't get a chance to see the early ones in person i didn't get a chance to see him in person like until uh boy i remember which fight it was west sims maybe well i saw i saw west sims for sure um i saw the the uh tim silvia fight i was there for

that talking to tim in the octagon we wanted to keep fighting and then we showed him the video his arm getting snapped and he's like oh and then he realized like oh and then the shock sets in you're like i gotta get to the hospital he's all ow yeah yeah i just appreciate what frank stands for and how long he's been doing it and he's relevant. And my favorite UFC fight of all time is when he beat Brock Lesnar. I felt like it was the MMA community against the WWE community. And when he beat him, I never cheered for someone so hard in my life. Well, how crazy is it to take a guy, his second pro fight,

you make him fight a former UFC champion in his prime. Isn't it great? Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Well, Brock Lesnar got brought along worse than any fucking fighter ever in the history of fighting. And still managed to outrun the odds. I agree. Still managed to beat...

That's how big of a freak he was. Oh, yeah. Beat Randy Couture, his fourth fucking pro fight. How? What? How? He beat Heath Herring. He was stand-up. Yeah. Knocked him out beat Heath herring And then he beats Randy Couture third and fourth pro fight. Are you fucking kidding me? I think it's submitted by Frank right yeah, well the second fight was sent Frank Yes, Frank submits him and then after Frank he fights Heath herring steamrolls. He's hearing

It's amazing how he remembers all this shit Got nothing else in there Just fighting I don't remember anything man Just a couple fights But that's not true Because if you talk about jiu jitsu submissions Positions, submissions, transitions

You could remember shit I see you go over moves and techniques I'm so behind the curve Oh I gotta start taking my jiu jitsu I would say the odds are Bigfoot knocks him out in the first round. That's the highest odds.

Are there guys out there that can know? They know every, like you could do a UFC trivia game or Jeopardy where they know, you could say UFC 152, and they could just rattle off. Fans for sure. Are there? I'm sure Joe's probably damn close. Kenny Florence is really good too.

Kenny knows his shit. Every UFC, the number, the headliner, the co-headliner. I bet there's some fans who can do it for sure. Are there? I'm sure Joe's probably damn close. Kenny Florin's really good, too. Kenny knows his shit. Every UFC, the number, the headliner, the co-headliner. I bet there's some fans who can do it for sure. And then the crazy rain men can go into the prelims and give you the fucking results of the prelims. There's a guy, you call him the Fight Pass King. There's got to be guys out there. Right? Have a little UFC trivia podcast show once

these guys are all pretty yeah some guys get mad at me if i'm watching these and i don't know a guy i'm like i'm not working yeah i know they get super upset i used to watch them i used to know them all i don't know shit anymore i know bigfoot though deal with the giant head well one of the things that i think they fucked up on, or they should have kept going, was when you were doing those in-between rounds, you would do your assessment of who won. They didn't like it.

I liked it. I liked it. I really liked it. But the commission didn't like it, because Eddie would have a rationalization. He would have a voice. He could speak his mind, just like Harold Letterman does on boxing. I think it makes it exciting for people, because Eddie had it broken down i watched him dude he sat next to me during the fights he i mean he was fucking diligent as shit and he made his own

system instead of following instead of just like looking at the scorecard and trying to figure it out eddie had a whole breakdown of like kicks takedowns i think it's shorthand i was riding shorthand everything i had two guys and i'd look at the fight and go kick punch punch punch kick take down take down attempt left knee and then after that round they're giving me 30 seconds to make my assessment i gotta go back and review if you don't write it down like that you don't remember you don't remember yeah you got to go back and look at it so now i go i reviewed it he landed two punches there this guy landed a big knee which one was more and then bam to go back and look at it So now I go I reviewed over the he landed two punches there this guy landed a big knee Which one was more soon and then bam I have something to look at when I'm still a lot to look at

So I'd much rather have that than have these three fucking squares judging my fight ridiculous ridiculous ridiculous still Sport I think it's a degree. It's important to have no those schlubs judging I think so. Are you drunk? No, no, no. Yeah, you're just gone. You ate some weird Bounty or some shit. Listen, listen.

Sam Adams. Listen, you don't think, if you were running the casinos and you're running all that shit, all the betting, you don't think that it's good to have fall guys, the judges, good to blame the stupid judge. Get stupid judges. Eddie just went into chemtrails. He went into another world. Oh, there's no corruption in casinos. I'm talking about as me, man.

It's corruption. He's going into corruption. This is another level. He can't help it. I'm just saying, if I was running the casinos, I would want schlubs in there so that if we looked at the numbers and we're like shit we need this decision or that decision Brian

talked to me agree with Eddie let me tell you this seriously I've had a judge tell me I'm not gonna say his name in somewhere else I've mentioned his name but I'm not gonna mention his name tonight a judge a very popular popular UFC judge has told me to assess. I'll say it. Judge Judy. Judge Judy told me that three separate occasions, on three separate occasions, he wrote down a score for one fighter. And then when Bruce Buffer read it, it was for the other guy. Three different times.

This guy told me through my face. Three different times. He's very famous. That makes me never want to fight again, Eddie. He might be an idiot. I don't know. And he might be full of times. He's very famous. That makes me never want to fight again, Eddie. He might be an idiot and he might be full of shit. I don't know. And he might be looking

for a fall guy as the commission being a fall guy for his shitty judging. All I'm saying is that's what I would do. If I was running the casinos, I would do that.

Let's watch the fight. We're about to watch We don't want to get fucking killed here. These are just my crazy assumptions. They're both 35. Interesting story

about Bigfoot Silva. When Shane, he was like 4-0, 5-0. Elite XC had Bigfoot Silva's contract. They offered Shane a contract to fight Bigfoot Silva. That fight would have been insane. Because it was Shane Carlin who's fucking prime. Bigfoot Silva in his prime. They were supposed to fight, but then the UFC offered Shane.

So then Shane went to the UFC instead of fighting Bigfoot Silver. That's when Shane looked like He-Man. Healthy and master of the universe. Frank Mir coming in at 261 in this fight, by the way. We're usually walking around at 245, I believe. No, he's fought at 260 before. He got pretty heavy right after he fought Brock. Bigfoot with a little bit of acne on his back.

That's normal, though. That's normal in Brazil. It's hot down there. And the doctors are sold. It's hot down there. Is the arena really hot right now? Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy.

Their air conditioning was from the 50s. 92. Do you think Mario Yamasaki's pissed at the ring girls for ripping off his shit? For sure. He probably saw him. He probably pulls him in the back. Or maybe he's telling them to do that. He's franch giant. Probably pulls him in the back. Or maybe he's telling him to do that. He's franchising it.

Maybe he's marking his territory. You know what I'm saying? Interesting. When they do the heart, guys know. There's a lot of beef in this octagon right now. I think Frank, when he got heavy, he lost a lot of his speed, man. He lost a lot of his speed. When he got heavy?

He got heavy after Brock beat the brakes off Mount Half Guard. When he pounded Mount Half Guard, then he started doing this power lifting, got all big, which wasn't good. The age of the big, big heavyweights, gone. How big are you? 240. Wow, that's pretty big. Is it? 250 pounds.

Well, it's 25 pounds lighter than the weight. Can you get to 205? Yes. If you had to. Yes you thinking about it, maybe Wow, yes, yes, look at that. Hey if you can make it that's your spot if you can make it That's your spot. If you can't make it that's a spot. Yeah simple. I know don't like into it Hey, don't want Joe tear it into me 205 dollar Dollar bits.

I'll have Bigfoot, please. You want Bigfoot? You got Bigfoot? One dollar. I got Frank Mayer. I got Frank Mayer. I'll take it. You got action.

You got action. I'll take the American because I'm American. Yeah, me too. Fuck yeah. Ooh, Bigfoot's body's not looking great. Come on, Frankie Frank. Bigfoot looks very angry. This guy's a hell of a target, though.

That head chin. That does not move. That chin is a hell of a target, though. That head chin. That does not move. That chin is a hell of a target. Frank looks good, man. Yeah, leg on his feet there. Well, that's what he needs, man. That's what he needs at this point in his life. He needs some speed.

I would love if Frank submitted him. Bigfoot said he's looking for redemption for his boy, Noguera. Bigfoot's a black belt, right? Yes. Never been submitted, ever. And even in the gi? That's what he says. He's got good fucking hands, too. He says that? It's impossible. redemption for his boy no big foot's a black belt right yes never been submitted ever in his and even in the geek that's what he says he's got good fucking he says that it's impossible big foot's never been submitted that combination he landed on over him that was one of the best ever

that you haven't seen a kale like that since phil barone kale dave minet remember when he pinned him up against the cage yeah he just dang dang dang dang dang dang like one of the greatest hand combination ko phil barone's is number one, in my opinion. That combination was just like video game. Nate Marquardt versus Tyron Woodley. That's my favorite. But that was elbows. You know what I mean?

Still was nasty. Unbelievable. And he's spinning. I didn't gas. Yeah. He didn't gas. Oh, good right hand. Good right hand by Frank.

Well, he's looking fast, man. He looks much faster than he's looked recently. Who's that? Frank. Light on his feet. He's moving around a lot. He's moving around like Matt Mitrioli. Bigfoot looks slow.

Yeah, well, that's what he needs, man. That's what was holding him back. He was too plodding, and he got too big. Bigfoot always has to worry about getting hit, man. He knows his chin is just not that good anymore. When Arlovsky clipped him with that one punch, it didn't look like the biggest punch. But before that, he ate punches from the hardest puncher ever in the UFC.

And he was juiced to the titties. Either way, though, bro. But that affects you. I guarantee you that affects you. It has to. It just only makes sense that it does. How ironic. Isn't it weird?

God, his arms look really skinny. Oh, yeah. Maybe I'm going crazy. No, they don't look big at all. They look like Brian Callen's arms on a big body. Right? They're like coiled vipers. Well, the bones underneath them are like telephone poles just to make two...

Oh! See what I'm saying? It's over. It's over right there. Oh, it's over. Stop the fight. Dunsville. Damn. Dunsville. Yeah, son. In your face, Callen. Frank Mir,'s over. Stop the fight. Dunsville. Dunsville. Damn.

Yeah, son. In your face, Kelly. Frank Mir, look good. Look good. Frank, the tank. I don't have any American currency. What did he say? Yeah, you're good, man.

What did he just say? He just said something. Damn, that's a big cut. Bigfoot just squirted when he stood up. Frank. Something's bleeped. That looked good, man. Legend, son.

You know, that's why I bet on him, and that's why I won a dollar from John Wayne Parr, because I just don't feel like this dude can take a punch anymore. I don't like the way he went down against Orlovsky. It looked crazy. Like, he went down, and I was like, ooh. You think it's a lack of TRT? I think it for sure affects you.

I think it's a number of things. Look at this. That's a nice combination, man. A jab, left hook. That's some fucking Buster Douglas shit. Hell yeah, number. Look at this. That's a nice combination, man. A jab, left hook. That's some fucking Buster Douglas shit. Hell yeah, Frank. Look at this. In Brazil.

That is fucking beautiful, man. I'm sorry. That is a beautiful combination. For sure stopped the fight. Oh, look at that. Oh, dude. He's dead. You don't really see Frank Mayer grounding and pounding, but god damn, he has vicious

grounding and pounding. Dude, that was nice, man. You can do it all, man. That was fucking nice, dude. This is the Frank Mir of old. This is a really good-looking Frank Mir here. I'm impressed. That is fucking ferocious.

Brutality. Good for Frank, man. I'm impressed. Good for him. Thank you for the dollar, Frank. Yeah, Frank. What is he saying? Does he think he's talking to Brock Lesnar?

I'm back. No, he said something like, you know, I don't know what he said. I hope not. You hope not what? That he's not talking to Brock. All right, well, that fight is over, so the fights are over. Let's rewind it and see if we can figure out what the fuck he said. Can we rewind it, Jamie?

We got a remote? Maybe he'll say it in the post-interview right here, though. Right? Maybe he says it. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's a good point. We should let him say it. Yeah, maybe.

I can read lips, guys. Good news. Yeah, Brian read lips for the Marines. Yeah, I did. Yep. Let's see what he says. Here he goes. Boom, boom.

Here it goes. I watched you do this. I love you, baby. He talks. I love you, baby. Brian, don't talk. Why would you talk? That's the only thing we were waiting for.

Sorry, buddy. I love you, baby. I thought I said you were having his inspiration. Okay, he wasn't talking to me. Did he say, Daddy's making the money? I think something along those lines. Maybe that's through his wife. Daddy's making the money? I think something along those lines. Maybe that's through his wife. Daddy's making some money.

Daddy's bringing the bill home. Yeah. Daddy's making that money. Yeah. I love you, baby. Daddy's making that money. There you go. Wow.

That's the best thing he could have said. You look goddamn good. You look great. That fucking jab-left hook combination was very pretty. What do you do if you're Bigfoot? Retire. Damn. I think you'd be surprised. Damn. Bring him in, Brendan.

I think you'd be surprised. Yeah, you're gonna have to. I don't think he could fight without testosterone. This is what I think. At all the people that were on TRT, that guy has the most

legitimate reason to be on it. He had a goddamn cancer of his pituitary gland. I mean, look at that. That's a beautiful comment. But if you have to have that to fight, don't fight.

You're right. Fuck that noise fight You're right Fuck that noise You're right I don't give a fuck what you got going on Boom Boom You're right If you have to be juiced to the gills to compete How about you don't do it

How about you go find something else to do But I think his His natural testosterone Is absurdly low Because of the fact that he had a A tumor on his pituitary gland I mean his coaches were talking about When they eliminated testosterone

Like how bad it is for him. Cool. Don't fight. You're right. You're right. I agree. Otherwise, let me do it.

You're right. Whatever you're taking, I get to do it. If it was legal, would you do it? I think you make a very good point. I'll say yes for him. I'm a current UFC fan. That's a yes. My client will not speak.

My client will not speak. If they allowed it, just a little bit, right? Just look at me. You wouldn't want to get too crazy. Look at me. Just for recovery, right? Eddie wouldn't want to get too crazy. Just for recovery, right? Eddie, look at me. I'll answer for him.

Direct your questions to Joe Rogan, please. Look at me, Eddie. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Brandon, I really liked what you said the other day about the reason I negative to taking it. Yeah. I thought that was a really good read. Yeah, it's tough, man.

But with these new penalties that Dana White's talking about doing, if they actually do it, the two- to four-year suspension, guys are not going to risk it as much, I don't think. I think it's the only way to go. Because when Bigfoot got done, his first fight back is for a main event in Brazil. What did you guys think when Cormier and Jon Jones both had those really weird tests? when Cormier and John Jones both had those really weird tests. Like, they tested them afterwards

and they both had a really low testosterone to epitestosterone level. What are you doing here? What's going on? What's his fate? Should we talk later? No, you guys talk about it. Do you know something?

I don't know anything. Are you sure you don't know anything? Positive. Go like this. Go like this. I promise I don't know anything. Okay. Well, I shouldn't even ask you right now.

Typically, though, isn't it true that when your testosterone is very low like that, chances are you were introduced? That's what Victor Conte was saying, but I think that's irresponsible to say unless you're testing these guys all the time. It could be that they were broke. I heard a bunch of different variables. One of them could be that their body was broken down because they were exhausted from training so much

and that their testosterone was low because they caught them in mid-camp. That could be the case. It could be that they were both over-trained, which is more likely than not. If you want to look at like but I don't know. See, I'm an idiot. I don't understand those tests enough to tell you if that would cause someone to have

a low testosterone to epitestosterone ratio. We would have to bring in like Mark Gordon we have to bring in an endocrinologist to explain and you'd also have to do more than one test and based off that that's why I don't comment I mean I don't know yeah those guys who the fuck no but I know they they had like a legit guy doctor read the thing it was like there there's no way their level should be that low yeah but they don't know what's going on maybe maybe Maybe DC and John's levels have always been low. Let's crank the volume up so we can hear what Frank Mir has to say.

Huge win for Frank Mir. Huge. And not only that, but looked fucking great, man. It's cool to see these guys. Calum, in your bodybuilding days, what was the steroid situation? Hold on. Let's hear this. Let's hear this.

I worked on my lats mostly. Wow. No heavyweight is worth more than him. I could have swore Frank knew English. How about Ricky Lindell right behind you looking all angry faced There we go He switched. Did you notice? Oh, that's right.

I didn't even notice that. God, I didn't either. That was such a beautiful combination, man. That hook only moved three inches, too, from the jab to the hook. Yeah, beautiful. Beautiful. Especially with those little gloves, right? Big difference.

Yeah, amazing. How much adjustment do you have to make defensively, John, when you're working with guys? I'm sure you've trained with MMA fighters and teaching them Muay Thai. How much of an adjustment do you have to make because they have less coverage defensively because of the smaller gloves? Yeah, it wasn't until I started wearing them for getting ready for the fight that I really appreciated how different it is.

It was like starting Muay Thai all over again once I put the little ones on. I thought I knew how to fight. I thought I knew how to punch until I wore them it's like holy shit I'm not punching I'm not punching my knuckles I'm using my pinky before I could close my eyes and hit the pads no problem and now I can't hit the pad in the same spot twice even when I'm fully concentrating it's so difficult it's so hard wow that's interesting man yeah but yeah and completely different style for my hooks and from a... Great idea. Great idea. Kickboxing with MMA gloves.

In a cage. Muay Thai, muay thai. Muay thai. It's pretty much... That's even better. It's MMA, but with no ground, because you still got the knees, you still got the elbows, you still got the takedowns, there's nothing changes. And you find guys, press guys up against the cage and blast them with elbows and knees

to the body and hold them there and... Yeah, what I found with my shows is, that i have 10 fights majority this usually there will be seven go the distance because the guys are fighting smarter as well because they know that they can't stand in the pocket and trade anymore because the gloves are so small and they bring in a better a game now it hurts i noticed that after the fight you can't touch the top of your head for about four or five days. You can't put your sunglasses on because your head's like a golf ball. Oh, wow. Wow.

Fuck. Fuck. They're getting hit 50 to 100 times a fight. Yeah. Easily. Easily. 50 shots. Remember when you described a fight that you had when you were in high school?

Like, it was two punches that you talked about how you landed two punches, but your friends were like, bitch, you didn't land those punches. It was like two or three. Like, three. You didn't believe that shit. But in MMA fights, they land 50 to 100 solid. Can you imagine describing that fight to somebody? Because you always described your fight, right?

You tried to take me down, then I punched him, and then the teacher pulled us off. Trying to describe a fight with 50 punches to somebody? You can't remember it. Well, Brian does it. You can't take him through the whole thing. There's a lot of guys that have to watch fights after they're over just to see what happened to them.

They don't even remember what happened. How many times have I interviewed fighters, and they'll be honest, like, after the second second round I have no idea what happened I don't need like just woke up and it was the fifth round you know that's happened so many times man so many most fights like if you asked me like go what happened the second round I can tell you third round like croak up and I don't remember a lot from it I just remember being in zone yeah what was interesting about the Travis Brown fight I was rocked when I went for a takedown and he wizard and his hip landed on my head into the

Octagon and I remember watch it and like oh, I don't remember any of this after this I remember I just remember watching like dang like the first time I've ever you were out He was I was my belt was mess max. Yeah messed up just from his hip check Well from the first from the mat. Yeah when messed up. Just from his hip check. Well, the punch first. From the mat, yeah. When you see a guy like George St. Pierre that was like the greatest of all time, and now, you know, since he didn't test positive, a lot of people are saying he's the greatest of all time.

100%. Anderson. Oh, he beat Anderson. You think how it works now? Yeah. Well, I see that argument. It's a very logical argument. But when you look at the numbers of times that he was hit,

we did a thing after his career was over it was over 800 times so crazy just in the octagon yeah not training not training just not and not in tko and the other organizations he fought for before he came to the ufc and you know what a lot of it was the last few fights a lot of it he got hit more in his last like four fights than all of his other fights. It's amazing, man. Crazy. Let's watch this again, man. Goddamn, Frank Mir looked good even before that.

He looked great. Like light on his feet. Dude, that is beautiful. Time off, man. Really help him. Fuck yeah. Maybe that switch in stance. Dude, that is tremendous.

Back to orthodox. That is tremendous right there. Look at that. That is beautiful technique. He's such a smart is tremendous right there. Look at that. That is beautiful technique. He's such a smart dude, Frank Marius. He's an interesting character. Very misunderstood. Have you ever heard him commentate?

When he did WC, he was really, really good, man. Well, when he said he wanted to kill Brock Lesnar, be the first guy to kill him, that's when they pulled him off of commentary. Yeah, you're kind of going to have to. Yeah. Nobody remembers that shit anymore. He's good. Put him back in.

Yeah. Oh, he's one of the best. Yeah. I wish he would do more of it. Well, he's very smart, man. He's good. Put him back in. Yeah. Oh, he's one of the best. Yeah. I wish he would do more of it. Well, he's very smart, man. He's very articulate. He reads a lot of books. You know, he's an interesting dude, that Frank Mir.

I like that. I like when a guy takes a little time off, takes a deep breath, reassesses, gets back in. Sometimes dudes run. They run on all these injuries, and they just fucking keep trying to tape this up and patch that up and stretch through this. They don't just take that time to recuperate. You know what's crazy is back when MMA first started exploring, the UFC first started exploring, people were like,

man, how does it feel? The UFC's huge. I would always say, because coming from being such a big football fan, I thought, well, the UFC really isn't that huge yet until we start seeing these football-type, NFL-of-the-day type shows, like a nightly MMA show. We haven't seen it. Like 10 years ago, we hadn't seen it. Now, how crazy is it? We see it all the time. Like now we're watching and and brian stands in a suit and dominant cruz is in a suit and they're prime time nationwide on these major networks and now they're the guys that i'm used to seeing like a lt you know do that kind of stuff yeah or or um tony siragusa you know what i mean being x x players now transitioning into broadcasting and And you're seeing that in MMA now.

All these ex-MMA fighters, or even current ones, really, they're putting the suits on, and they're on Fox. Yeah. It's nuts, man. It's crazy. Look at Bryan Stan. You're used to seeing some college basketball show right now. Bryan Stan also does football. Does he?

Really? He does sideline football. Played in college for Fox? Don't quote me on that, but he does college football. I think he's really good. No, he's excellent. He's really good. The bronze scan is like natural.

He's my favorite. Shouldn't pick a favorite. Guys do my job. He's great. I don't want to be rude to the other guys who do it. I'll tell you right now, Jimmy Smith's my favorite. How about that? He doesn't even work for the UFC. He's great. I don't want to be rude to the other guys who do it. I'll tell you right now, Jimmy Smith's my favorite. How about that?

He doesn't even work for the UFC. He's my favorite. Jimmy Smith is doing boxing now for Spike. He's fucking great. Jimmy Smith's a bad motherfucker. He's a cool dude, too. Is he? Really good dude.

Yeah. You know, we're supposed to be like rivals or some shit. We're good friends. He's the nicest guy. He's legit, loves fighting. Me and that guy have sat down with no one around and talked fighting for hours. Yeah. He loves legit. Loves fighting. Me and that guy have sat down with no one around and talked fighting for hours. Yeah.

He loves fighting. Loves MMA. Loves boxing. Does he have a background? Yeah. He was a pro MMA fighter. Fought for a while. He beat Jason Chambers.

Beat Jason Chambers. He heel hooked him. He's black belt in jiu-jitsu. Oh, nice. He's legit. He was on that show, Fight Quest. That's how I know him. Traveled around.

But that show stuff, I mean. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I know him from the show. He's a legit martial artist. He's a great I mean. Yeah. That's how I know him from the show. He's a legit martial artist. He's a great commentator. Yeah. He's a good dude.

He takes a lot of heat because we're both bald, and they think that he's copying me, but really, I copied him. Really? He was bald first? Yeah. I shaved my head second. He shaved his first. See, I thought he was copying you.

I was like, easy, bro. I get you want to be Rogan, but easy. No, I'm copying him. Nah. Nah. He's good, man. He never says anything like, I'll No, I'm copying him. Nah. Nah. He's good, man. He never says anything like, I'll go, what? This guy's crazy.

Guys will say things, and you go, I don't think that's right. There's guys that you hear them in other organizations, and you go, is this all you had? This is the only guy that can. They don't know what's going on, man. Guys will call kicks, spitting hook kick to the leg like that was not what you just saw like you don't even know like imagine if a head kick a head kick to the leg but we got to the point now especially with all the ufc shows where they got they got professional guys and then guys that can really do the job like john annick he's professional oh he's excellent

but he's a sports guy he calls things wrong those. Those guys who don't train, I mean, I think Anik might train a little bit, but they just shouldn't call anything, like technically. They shouldn't call positions, and they certainly shouldn't call transitions or potential bats because they're going to miss some stuff. You know why they're doing that? They try to look down. Some guys do it because they try to pretend that they know what they're doing.

And I don't mean John. I mean, I'm really talking most about guys in the b leagues yeah you know john doesn't really do that but guys who do do it it's annoying because like i know what you're doing you're just trying to let everybody know your knowledge well this is what happened is it when mma first uh started like king of the cage for instance when i got thrown into the commentator spot the producers didn't even know the difference between a play-by-play and a color guy. Most people don't really know. They just hear two people talking, but if you really

look into it, oh, there's like a newscaster guy who's holding it all together, and then a color guy who gets asked questions and chimes in whenever. There's a professional guy and a guy that just chimes in. I had to learn that the hard way, man. What ended up happening is,

in the beginning, there wasn't professional broadcasters to fill that play-by-play spot. So they would just take anybody, and anybody they would throw in there would do color, too. He'd be doing play-by-play and color. So guys like Mike Goldberg would see this

and go, you know what? These other guys are doing play-by-play and a little color. So Mike Goldberg, you know, he's trained kickboxing, and you think when he Goldberg, you know, he's trained kickboxing. And you think when he sees it, you know, he calls it, right? He calls it teep. He calls him stuff and people get angry.

But, you know. Goldberg did NFL. Yeah. I love Goldberg. How dare you? I think Goldberg. How dare you? How dare you not even get through the L before you got your fucking shitty smile?

How dare you? Why is that funny? Because he got fired. He started arguing with people on Twitter. People were saying he fucked up a couple of things. And one of them was two guys had the same name, right? Same number, different name. Yeah, and one guy, he called one receiver.

They had the same number and the same name? No, no, no, no. No, he called a receiver for another team. You got to make stuff. He called one team the Detroit Lions. That now was his first wait a minute. This is Love Mike was this his first NFL game. Yes, and then he got fired He got online. No, Mike Colbert the guy with my commentary. You don't even know what's up Yeah, that's it does that all the time on your show. Yes, does it not only the two of you? I've seen it No, no, no. I just... No, you do.

Mike Goldberg, the wrestler? He'll be talking to you about something, and you'll say something. You'll go, no. You go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, just the way you were talking about it. At first, I thought it was Mike Goldberg. Then I was like, are they talking about the wrestler? Why? Were they talking about commentators?

Were they talking about the wrestler? Or maybe he did a little football. Hey, Mike Goldberg. I think Mike Goldberg is the best play-by-play guy in MMA. 100%. 100%. Even though he throws in some Muay Thai references and all that stuff, I don't care about that shit.

I understand it. Mike Goldberg, working with him for eight years, nobody studies and prepares like that. He's the only guy in the UFC meetings. He's got his laptop out and he's ready to go. He's on top of everything. He rehearses all night in his room. That guy is mega, super, ultra professional.

I love that. He and I have really good chemistry, too. I really do love that dude. We've been working together for a long, long time. And he's seriously one-on-one as a friend. That guy's one of the sweetest guys, if not the sweetest guy I've ever met. Such a nice guy. He's so cool to everybody.

Nice to everybody. He's not a dick ever met. Such a nice guy. He's so cool to everybody. Nice to everybody. He's not a dick at all. That guy's awesome. I love Michael. I think he would have kept the NFL gig if he didn't get on Twitter and he was defending himself. He'd been fine. Not that you messed up, because that's a lot to take on, the NFL.

Well, he wasn't thinking about the impact or the reach. You get on Twitter, you're shitting on your followers that are calling you a loser. Why don't you put on the headphones and get back there? Maybe how old to drink. Yeah. Almost.

But I've always told them, we've had these conversations about how to deal with assholes on Twitter. I'm like, you don't deal with them. We didn't deal with them. Why would you deal with them? Why do you let them enter into your life? Exactly.

Just go about your business, man. And by the way, the ones that hurt, the the sting the ones that actually sting they're probably telling you some shit that you could use to hear and you hear that and then correct your game so that it doesn't ever possibly make any sense so that any criticism they have that's related to what they were talking about it's illogical right doesn't make any sense at all you know if someone tells me you know like uh you know you're you're doing commentary You don't know what the fuck's going on when the fight goes to the ground. I'll go ha ha that's that's adorable I'm not gonna fight with them. No

You don't acknowledge that if you acknowledge them people go ooh Joe Rogan or Brian Callen acknowledge this negative stuff So then more exactly I'm honest just come out. I think we're running out of time here. How much time we got? That's it. It's over. Three hours. In. Done.

Kids. Boom. We love you. Brandon motherfucking Schaub can be reached on Twitter. You can watch and listen to the fighter and the kid where he relentlessly corrects Brian Callen all the time. We had some fun. Often the number one sports podcast in America

because the rest of the country is filled with bullshit. And they're capitalizing on a nice soft spot in the industry. And to his right, of course, the great John Wayne Parr, who will be on my podcast tomorrow at noon. We will talk about his extensive Muay Thai career, which is unparalleled. For real, man. You're one of the greats.

This is going to be an awesome treat. We're going to get some training in, too. I think Brendan Shaw wants to train with us, too. He wants to come down and learn something from you. Hold on. When is that? Tomorrow. What are you doing, bitch? You got some fucking shitty sitcom you have to do?

I know. What time do you have to do that? What time do you have to do Eliz? What time you got to do Eliza? Hey, we'll talk later. This thing's over. Eddie Bravo. You can reach Eddie Bravo at Eddie Bravo on Twitter. 10thplanetjj.com.

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Good night, everybody. We'll see you soon.