The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - February 6, 2016

Episode Date: February 6, 2016

Joe is joined by Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen & Eddie Bravo to watch the fights on February 6, 2016.

They give us a hemp? No, no. They're like a stretchy, they're like half lycra and half cotton. They're the best jeans I've ever worn. I don't want to get paid for them. The guy just said, we live? We live. Ladies and motherfucking gentlemen, this is a Fight Companion podcast.

What that means is we're watching the fights. This was supposed to be the heavyweight title fight and that was supposed to be in Vegas. It was supposed to be Fabrizio Verdum versus Cain Velasquez, but Cain Velasquez got hurt and he pulled out of the fight and then Stipe Miocic replaced himricio Verdum versus Cain Velasquez, but Cain Velasquez got hurt, and he pulled out of the fight, and then Stipe Miocic replaced him, and then Verdum said, well, I'm hurt too, fuck this, and he pulled out, because I guess he had a couple of injuries. Smart move, I guess, if you're injured.

You know, he figured, fuck it, I'm just going to fight Cain no matter what, I guess. And then when he found out it was Miocic, he's like, listen, I'm hurt, fuck this. Smart move. Yeah. Let's explain what listen, I'm hurt. Fuck this. Smart move. Yeah. Because usually. Let's explain what this is. Go ahead. My bad.

This is a fight companion podcast. It's not a regular podcast. So we're watching the fights. But honestly, it's almost never us watching the fights. So if you're listening to this right now, you're like, I don't give a fuck about fights. Most of the time, we don't either. Eddie Bravo's here. My brother, Eddie Bravo. Yo, yo, yo. The greatest that ever

did it. What? Holla! Brian Callen, my dog, one of my favorite human beings on the planet, as well as my brother, Brendan Schaub, also one of my favorite humans on the planet. So these are my favorite podcasts more than anything. I look forward to these fucking things. The best. There's so much fun much fun the best it's like we get to hang out and be ourselves

We get to fuck around just talk a couple dudes. Oh just talking shit. We get to bro out Unapologetically have some fun watch some fights talk about what we eat. Yeah, Brian is gonna try on his barbell jeans I got him some flexi jeans. It's funny how guys don't change. My son, I went hiking with him and all he was talking about for two days is, I want you to teach me how to chop down a tree.

He's obsessed. I'm like, alright. But I need to chop a tree down. We go to the quote unquote chop a tree down and I get him a hatchet. He hasn't put that hatchet down. You give that kid any kind of a weapon. My daughter looks at the hatchet like, what is that? Yeah, maybe I can decorate it.

She wanted to put sparkles on the handle. My son was like, what? You know, what's interesting is that gay men can go one of two ways. They can go towards girly type stuff or they can go just as manly. You're talking about the beers, then. Well, there's just not even beers. It's like two different styles of gay men. I have a gay couple that lives on my street.

The nicest fucking dudes. They're so nice. And one of them is the man. He's into trucks. He makes all the cash. You can break it down to one. We talk trucks, man. You can break it down to one, one, one. We talk trucks, man.

You can break it down. One guy, one fucks guys, and the other doesn't. Well, I don't know. I don't know how that works. I don't get personal with them. They're just the coolest motherfuckers. I do. I get the best neighbors.

I know a couple like that, and I get personal with them. But then there's twinks, right? Then there's the twinks who are super girly. Then why would you want to just be with a girl? You know what I'm saying? Or like the lesbians? Well, how come some dudes like girls with big asses? Some dudes like girls who are really skinny. Hey, everyone likes a girl with a big ass.

No, man. There's some guys that are into really skinny girls. Yes. Like really skinny model type girls with no asses. Not a lot. None of my friends. It's weird. It's all over the map.

It's all over the map. It's a good way to put it. It's all over the map. He's into trucks. I don't know why. But it's true. We talk fucking suspensions and shit. My wife.

All right, Joe. I'll see you later. And he goes, sucks dick. His husband is actually into trucks too. So it's weird. But the point being is like, they're very different personalities that are gay. Like, I know gay dudes that don't seem even a little gay. And then, you know, they had to eventually come

out and, you know, explain the whole thing. Like, uh, do you know, uh, like, there's like, the fuck's his name? Like, let me think of like a good example. Well, there's just a lot of them. There's a lot. No need to name them. My buddy, my buddy Keith is, is, he's the man in the relationship.

He wrestled in college, makes millions of dollars. And he was with a bunch of straight guys. We were all eating and stuff, hanging out. Frank was there. And he goes, he just said it so matter-of-factly. He goes, I mean, I think the only difference between me and you guys is I suck cock, you know? And he kept talking. He's got a really deep voice, too. The guys is I suck cock, you know? And he kept talking. All nonchalant.

He's got a really deep voice, too. The difference is I'm not going to get fucked, you know, but I'll fuck him, you know? That's hilarious. He fucks guys. Some will only fuck, right? Some will only fuck. They won't take it. My buddy Keith is that way.

Some will only fuck. Some won't take it. Some don't give blowjobs, right? Yep. Some don't give blowjobs. Some only give blowjobs. On the gay singles sites sites i bet they have to say that i bet there's a name for that like a dude who doesn't suck dick he's got to have a

name there's got to be like a code one oh he's uh he's uh think of a name yeah i had the weirdest conversation with a gay couple once after a show i did in connecticut way back in the day man i don't even remember what bit it was they were about, but they came up to me after the show and they were saying that, just to let you know, most gay guys don't fuck each other in the ass.

Like, we're married, we're gay, or a couple. I don't know if it was legal to be married back then because you're talking about like 91, 92, something like that.

And he was talking about we just blow each other. And I was like, okay. That's the end of the relationship. I don't know where to go with this. You used to fuck me in the ass all the time. Yeah, he was talking about we just blow each other. And I was like, okay. That's the end of the relationship. I don't know where to go with this. You used to fuck me in the ass all the time. Yeah, he was talking to me about.

And then after a while, he was giving me a handjob. I would have said, I don't believe you, but continue. No, no, no. He was being honest. He was like, we're not into it. And he's like, it seems like the kind of humor, like that kind of gay humor, like fucking the ass humor, is like it goes over really big out here in Connecticut. But we mostly, we hang out in the city like he's one of those guys it was like

big on telling you that I'm very sophisticated I'm always in the city and I don't even take it in the ass I'm just getting my dick sucked by guys it was a strangest fucking conversation I bet there's guys like that that I'll point what to him was it was like but you know guys do get fucked in the ass. Right? That's what they do. When I'm talking about someone fucking someone in the ass, it's not like I'm making things up. No. No.

I was under the impression that they all did that. That depends. No, they don't. They definitely don't. That'd be the exception though, right? Yeah. I don't know. At least on their birthday.

Every now and then on their birthday, boom. You gotta give up that ass, son. I'm not into surveys. Once in a while. When they're drunk. But guys. When they're drunk and they complain. I bet that's the birthday, boom. You got to give up that ass, son. I'm not into surveys. Once in a while. When they're drunk and they complain. I bet that's the number one complaint. That's why they break up. When they stop fucking the ass and it's just hand jobs, you know it's over.

Get the fuck out. Get the fuck out. This is the kind of fight. Mike Pyle's about to fight Sean Spencer. This is the kind of fight that makes me wish that TRT was legal. Because Pyle's so fucking smart and crafty. Because Pyle's so fucking smart and crafty. Exactly. He's so fucking smart and crafty, I wish they could get that dude on TRT.

You know what I'm saying? He 100% needs it. Well, of course. You definitely need it when you hit 40. He's been fighting for so long. 40, and think how long he's been fighting. He's been fighting for a long time. He's taken some hard shots.

He's been KO'd by guys like Matt Brown. Tough guys. He's been KO'd by Rory McDonald, a few other guys, too. He's a tough, fucking smart dude, though. His skill level's very high. But, you know, there's a reality. There's a goddamn difference between a 21-year-old body, a natural one, and a natural 40-year-old body. There just is.

I agree. His fight IQs has very highest very high he's a savage man about 10 years ago we did a movie together we're extras and a movie called the assassination of a high school principal we play like I'm 35 years old and I'm playing a fraternity guy in diapers it was terrible but we're both in it. And that guy is such a savage. I've never seen anybody.

We went to a club that night afterwards. He went into a club, grabbed a girl like a savage, just took her. Grabbed that bitch by the ponytail. We went back to the hotel, and he handled business. I'd never seen him. We don't know what his status was at the time. We don't know what happened. It was between 10 and 20 years ago. He could have been 100 years ago.

And it may not have been Mike Pyle. That's one thing I remember about Mike is he is a savage. I never seen anybody get down like that. Be real careful with those kind of details. Those can be brought up. Yeah, that's true. That's assault, brother. You can't be doing that.

Well, he's, yeah, you can't even say you do that anymore. It used to be that that was like an old movie trick. Dude, you know who's the biggest savage as far as getting chicks I've ever seen? And you would never guess when I give you 100 tries. Me and him were in Toronto. Give you 100 tries. Jake Shields. Oh, I would imagine.

With just Asians, though. He's a handsome bastard. Just Asian girls. He's handsome. Dude, you would have thought he was Tom Cruise up in that bitch. Jake Shields is a very handsome guy. I mean, he's cool. But he was like, hey, I need you to be my wingman and help me out here.

I was like, me? What? What do you mean by you say he's cool? Like, you don't think that's a good looking guy? He's not Luke Rockhold. Oh, come on. I wouldn't say he's that handsome. There, I said it.

No, he's not as handsome. Luke Rockhold's ridiculous. He's a time piece. He's a straight time piece. He's not Alan Juban level. That's for sure. Dude, Alan Juban's a straight model. Yeah. Yeah, he's a legit model. So's a straight time piece. He's not Alan Juban level, that's for sure. Dude, Alan Juban's a straight model. Yeah.

He's a legit model. So when you talk about those guys. Well, you know the story about Alan Juban had a big photo shoot in New York City like two weeks before his fight. So he had to cut weight twice. He cuts weight for his photo shoots. He gets shredded for his photo shoots. I talked to Kenny Johnson about his wrestling coach. Versace, right?

Yeah, he's got a big fucking campaign, man. He's going to make bank. Damn. He's a beautiful person. I agree. Not just the way he looks. The most beautiful in UFC history. Really?

Great guy. His heart, he's the sweetest guy. Better than a young Don Fry. He's such a nice guy to train with and everything, too. He's so polite. He's just a great guy. Alan Joban is the salt of the earth. I agree.

Beast, too. Doesn't get any better looking. Good luck being that is the salt of the earth. I agree. But anyway to doesn't get any better looking Jake shield is a mate a strong What? He's a six. What are you? What are you? Honestly. Take yourself out of that. I'll give you a hit of weed. I want you to be real. I want you to be real about this. What are you? What are you? I don't say I'm a five. I'm mid-pandemic.

My ears don't help. You're very critical. Your ears do help, though. He's a nine, dude. Girls like fucked up ears. Girls like the giant. They like a guy who's been through some danger. They don't like a guy who's terrified of danger.

It's a natural, instinctive reaction. It's to through some danger. They don't like a guy who's terrified of danger. It's a natural, instinctive reaction. It's to protect your genetics. A guy who has never experienced danger may very well fall apart in the face of danger. So a guy who does crazy shit, like does flips and bikes, why do you think they do that? They do that because it attracts females.

Because females are attracted to a guy who's very risky. A guy who takes chances and does nutty shit because those guys can survive pressure. That makes sense. I'm just saying with all the UFC fighters, I'd give myself a five because we're all not scared of danger.

I'd give you a solid eight. How about that? I'd give you a solid eight, maybe eight and a half. But you're a notch better than Jake Shields because you're way bigger than him. I see girls look at you. It's hilarious. It's unbelievable.

They're looking at you and their little ovaries go ding. Hungry eyes. Oh shit. Fighter and the Kid fans? Everything we've done. Not just Fighter and the Kid fans. A friend of mine who's never even met Shaw before was like, who's your friend? You could tell her little loins were tingling. What's up, dog?

Bartender at the comic store. It's listening to details. That's obviously who we're talking about. Oh my, so it's listening to details. Yeah, it's not me, bro. That's obviously who we're talking about. Oh, my God. There's only one there. You didn't see I was already talking about her? I'm just saying generally.

You motherfucker. The waitress at the Comedy Store. Thank God you're not high. One of the waitresses at the Comedy Store. How about nothing? I would say you're a low nine. How about no one from anywhere? A low nine.

A weak nine. What's a 10? Jobin? He's a Versace. He's an 11. He's an 11. Well, you're being kind. Chubb's an 8. He's a ten? Jobin? He's a Versace. He's an eleven. He's an eleven. Well, you're being kind. Chubb's an eight. He's a good looking

eight. But he's got personality. Personality means more than two points. Yes, it does. Like an eight. Look at that. Alan Joban picture. Oh my god. Good lord. That's not even a real person. Tell me he's short at least. Tell me he's 5'4". No, he's not. He's six feet tall. Six feet? Oh god. Beautiful. You know he just did a campaign for Equinox.

I was getting a salad and this motherfucker was at Equinox. If you're an Alan Joban hater, you fucking hate people, because he's one of the best people I've ever met. I agree. Just a great, great dude. Fucking great guy. Can't say anything bad about him. If I looked like that, I'd wake up every morning and be like, this is going to be a good day.

I'm telling you, though, I mean, he's not a pretty boy. I mean, this motherfucker's had some serious fights. Yep. And he bites down on that mouthpiece and scraps. He got knocked down his last fight. He fought Tumanoff, man. Tumanoff is a motherfucker, dude. Motherfucker.

I didn't like that matchup for him. His efficiency in his straight... It was a tough fight for anybody. Especially tough fight when you cut weak. You cut weak two weeks before... No, he got knocked down in the first round. No, no, no. I'm saying not the result.

I'm saying on paper, that's a tough fight to pick. I wouldn't have taken it if I was in the outhouse corner. If I'm Jobin and I just signed a Versace deal. I wouldn't have taken it. I wouldn't have taken it because I don't think it's not that I don't think he can beat that guy. I just think right now, Tumanoff striking is so smooth and efficient. And heavy. And down the pipe.

It's heavy, straight down the pipe. It's also very fluid. Like, he can go from throwing a jab to throwing a lead uppercut in a straight right hand, and every one of them is perfect. And they count. They count, they're accurate, and the mechanics behind them are totally correct. Scary dude. Like, there's guys that probably hit harder.

Like, Tyron Woodley probably hits harder than anybody. Tyron Woodley, like, one shot for one shot. When he KO'd Jay Heron, I was like, Jesus Christ. He's an exploder, dude. If he catches you perfectly on that explosion, he's going to put you away. And it's not saying that his efficiency is bad. His efficiency is way better even now because he's training with Duke Rufus. But Tumanov doesn't have that one-shot power that Woodley has. His efficiency is way better even now because he's training with Duke Rufus, but

Tumanov doesn't have that one-shot power that Woodley has but his efficiency is perfect Everything is perfect. Like you see a guy that hits hard One of the things you see almost invariably is their body positioning is always perfect like when a guy's throwing like a Ridiculous punch you'll see the bend in the legs. You'll see the turn of the body. When a guy's a serious power striker, with Tumanov, everything's in place. It's all like the knee is in the right spot. When he's throwing the hook, his foot's in the right spot.

His weight's in the right spot. There's no bullshit. Did he come out of the Russian amateur boxing thing? He's a master of sports in boxing. Yeah, those guys. And he can fucking kick too, man. He can kick. a master of sports in boxing. Yeah, those guys. It's trouble, man. And he can fucking kick, too, man. He can kick. They have an amazing amateur program.

Yeah, he's unexpectedly dangerous with his kicks. But he lost his last fight, right? No, he didn't. No, he beat Lorenz Larkin. Oh, that's right. But it wasn't a great fight. It wasn't a great fight. It was a very good fight.

I loved that fight. I don't think so. Really? So close, because they were so dangerous. Did we do a fight campaign for that? No, I don't think so. This was the one where Lorenz Larkin was throwing those wheel kicks to the thigh.

Fucked up his leg. Fucked up his leg. But Tumanov hung in there to the end. And super close fight. I honestly thought that Larkin pulled it off but I wasn't upset at the decision because it was so close. That was so weird. Those low wheel kicks. He does all kinds

of weird stuff. Larkin is a bad motherfucker, dude. He's one of the dark horses in that division. His takedown defense, I haven't seen anything like it in a long time. He came up to reign to train with Munoz, Pat Cummins, and myself, and it was wrestling day. I was like, oh, we're just going to take this full down. No one can take him down. Really? Larkin was going to have the kicking advantage, and Tumanoff was going to have the striking advantage, and that's how it turned out.

But goddamn, it was a close-ass fight. Larkin actually has braces, and during the fight, his fucking braces were sticking into his mouth. Oh, my God. Something went wrong with his braces. He was trying to fix it in between rounds. How the fuck can you fight with braces? He shouldn't be fighting with braces.

Isn't there Invisalign now or some shit? He's a very good-looking man. He has the Frank Shamrock braces. Yeah, I need some. He has the silver mouth. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't see it until they're talking about it in between rounds in the corner.

I still feel bad about myself after seeing Al Angelo Byron. I wonder if Bellator is going to let Benson Henderson fight with a toothpick in his mouth. They're going to let him do whatever the fuck he wants. He's going to do it. Oh, he clipped him. He clipped him. Oh, shit. Oh, man. He's going to come out there. Oh, he clipped him. He clipped him. Oh, shit. Oh, man.

He's covering his head up really bad. Come on, Pyle. Don't get too crazy. Oh, it's 3-0-1 right now. 3, 2-59, 2-58, 2-57. Sync that shit up. Mike Pyle versus Sean Spencer. Is that who's fighting?

Is that the... He just got rocked. Spencer got rocked, man. Is that his name? We shouldn't say that's just got rocked. Spencer got rocked, man. Is that his name? We shouldn't say that's his name. Sean Spencer, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, Ben Henderson's fighting already for the title shot, right?

And he's fighting Brooks. Do you know that's like secretly my biggest fear? Is he going to fight for the title? Yeah, by the way. It's next month. My biggest fear is forgetting what someone's name is in the middle of a fight while calling the fight. Oh, my God.

Good thing you don't have a head drum. I don't know how you do it. Good thing, dog. Well, I also have Alpha Brain and notes. You got some Alpha Brain on you right now? For reals, I could use some of that right now. Where's the jug? There should be a jug of it here. Oh, here it is.

These are good fights tonight, man. The best stuff is the new stuff we have. The Instant Alpha Brain? The Instant's the shit. I take four. The Instant stuff is awesome. I do love the Instant. I don't have any here. Dude, I had Kyle Kingsbury on the other day. He's the best.

Great guy. Oh, my God. What a sweetheart. So fucking smart, too. His wife is a Smoke Show 3000, too. She used to be a UFC ring card girl. Yes, sir. She's a very cool chick, too.

The whole family is just good people. They're salt of the earth. What did you call her? So cool. Salt of the earth? Damn, man. The whole family's just good people. They're salt of the earth. What'd you call her? So cool. Salt of the earth? Damn, man. I said smoke show. Oh, smoke show.

Salt of their smoke show. Mine's more old school. Yours is probably better. Yeah, she's just a really sweet person, too. It's cool seeing them parents, too. It's wild. They have two? No, one.

One little boy. God, he's so fucking cute. Didn't he just start smoking weed? Like, recently, right? And kind of like... I don't think so. No? No, one. One little boy. God, he's so fucking cute. Didn't he just start smoking weed? Like, recently, right? And kind of like... I don't think so. No? No, he does everything, man.

He's big into ayahuasca. I thought this was like a... I thought Pat Cummings had some shit. I was under the impression that he just started. What do you mean? Like, or maybe it was the week before he did a bunch of... Ayahuasca? Ayahuasca.

And then fought Pat. Oh, yeah. He got mollywhopped by Pat. He's a good fighter. Well, Pat is a motherfucker. I cornered Pat during It's a good fight. It is a mother fucker Pat Cummins is a motherfucker. Look how smart Mike pilots like oh efficient and smooth, you know, he's a shot He slips him like and he's in real good shape I mean don't get me wrong

But there's just a reality about what a 40 year old body can do as far as the way pushes himself Like that was what recovery and stuff. Bernard Hopkins back. You know, like Bernard Hopkins just couldn't keep a pace with a guy like Sergey Kovalev. Like he had to go into like a defensive mode

against him. It was tough to watch. But it was because he was 49 years old. If he fought Kovalev when he was 35, holy shit, that would have been

an amazing fucking fight. Amazing fight. Did you see Kovalev's last fight? Dude. What the fuck? He's a murderer. Him and Andre Ward, that's the fight. He killed see Kovalev's last fight? Dude. What the fuck? He's a murderer. Him and Andre Ward, that's the fight.

He killed a guy in the ring. Yeah, he did. And it didn't affect... Kovalev killed a guy. It didn't affect him the way it affects most people. It's very interesting. Cold-hearted Russian. Yeah, it didn't take anything off of his desire to compete.

Does not give a fuck. That's one thing that happens to fighters sometimes. And, man, they're rarely the same after someone dies. Boom Boom Mancini, that happened. He was never really the same. And Emile Griffith. They say that Emile Griffith, they say, was gay. And that Benny Perrette, the guy who was fighting, was talking a lot of shit about him being gay.

And was saying a lot of gay slurs. And Emile Griffith beat the fuck out of that dude. And then he died? He beat him to death. He beat him to death. Damn, son. Yeah. I don't remember what round it was.

If I had to guess, I want to say it was like the 14th round. There's a documentary on Boom Boom saying how when that guy died, he was never the same. Oh, yeah, of course. Never. Most fighters. You say you didn't want to fight him after that. I think the guy's name is Ban Ki-moon or something like that. Ban Ki-moon?

Ban Ki-moon. That's right. Ban Ki-moon or something like that. Duk-Ku Kim? Duk-Ku Kim, that's right. It was Ban Ki-moon. You were close. Ban Ki-moon is the, I think is the commissioner for the UN or something. He was... His dad was his coach. Bu-moon? No.

Duk-Ku Kim? Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's a bummer, man. Well, that was another extreme dehydration fight. He extremely dehydrated to get down to 135. That shit was on national TV, if you remember. I think.

They also had weigh-ins the day of the fights. That's a terrible idea. Somebody did something I read, and I don't know if it's true, but they said that. Pretty sure. A number of people who've died in the ring had dads for their coach. They'll push themselves. There's not a lot. There's not a lot.

But apparently that's very common for guys to push themselves there's not a lot but apparently that's it's very common for guys to push themselves so they get really hurt because their dad's in the corner well wonder boy thompson's trained by his dad isn't he yeah yeah and that's right and so is sage sage northcutt and saved by his dad um he's been quite a few derring crookshank trained by his dad do you think uh sage is uh all the all the flack he's getting on the internet is just? What do you think about that? No, listen, I think, like, if you ask any fighter, hey, if Dana offered you 40 and 40, are you going to take it at 19? Fuck yes.

Of course. It's not his fault, this whole hype machine. Well, you know what, man? It was a good fight for him to experience, to learn. That's what I said. He needs to learn some ground defense, and he needs to learn some jiu-jitsu. But that's to be expected. He's only fucking 19 years old.

People get caught in the gym all the time, guys that are good at jiu-jitsu. I get caught. I think it was the best thing to happen to him. The sky's the limit, though, as far as his potential. At 19 years of age, he seems to have a very good attitude. He's a smart kid. Athletically, he's ridiculous. Have you seen those front flips he can do? It's crazy. Off a toe. Off one toe. He's ridiculous. We're fucking if you see those front front flips

He's crazy. Yeah off one off a toe off one toe and the way he does it. It looks like it looks fake Yeah, it looks like he's on a stick. Yes, you're spinning him like one of those football tables Yeah, he said he was on antibiotics too in that fight cuz he looked like shit. I mean we had strep Yeah, it's one of the reasons why apparently he tapped so quickly. It's cuz like when it was clamping down on his throat He was already swollen his throat was already fucked uping down on his throat, he was already swollen. His throat was already fucked up. He had strep. He's going to be fine.

He gets a lot of hate. He gets a lot of hate. Of course he does. It's tough. Like you see Tony Ferguson made videos. A guy tapped out like a bitch. It's tough if you're a guy like Tony Ferguson who's grinding, right? He doesn't get nowhere near as much love as a guy like Sage.

You know, Tony Ferguson is in the PR business as well as in the fight business. That's the reality in the post-McGregor era. You're in the PR business, man. Look what Conor McGregor did. Uh-oh. He's a, ooh, Mike Pyle got a good guillotine. He's got a good guillotine. Look at him scooting in here.

Look at him scooting in here. Watch that right butterfly. He will mount. He will fucking mount. Oh, what did I call? You missed it. Missed the mount. He was smart. He seemed so relaxed. Oh, what did I call? He missed it. Missed the mount. He was smart.

He seemed so relaxed. Oh, yeah. He's a bad motherfucker, Mike Pyle. He has so many fights. Very, very underrated. He fought Rampage Jackson like in 2000. His first pro fight. What?

His first pro fight was Rampage Jackson. In Tennessee? Rampage is way bigger than he is. Yep. I'm telling you. Mike Pyle. And that was one of the reasons that Matt Brown was so respectful about him after the fight. He's like, people don't know how good Mike P he is. Yep, yep. I'm telling you. Mike Pyle, and that was one of the reasons that Matt Brown was, like, so respectful about him after the fight. He's like, people don't know

how good Mike Pyle is. I guess in the training room, too, he's even better. I guess he's a motherfucker. That's what I hear. They say in the training room he's, like, unstoppable. I'm telling you, TRT is designed for dudes like this. Can't do it anymore, son. And now they have testing for HGH. They have testing for HGH? Yes.

They have a testing for HGH that gets you from 21 days out. What? Now you're really fucked. It used to be like a day. It used to be like 24 hours. You can't do shit anymore. You can't do shit anymore. Don't come up with something.

Gene doping. Maybe. Well, I told you Novitsky said that they've already at least theoretically have testosterone that's derived from animals instead of wild yams. So the carbon isotope test doesn't work. Yeah, it looks like human testosterone. Who just, oh, Dirty Bird. Yeah, no shit.

Your name's the Dirty Bird. That doesn't mean anything. Yeah, but it does. Of course the Dirty Bird test is positive. This is a good fight, man. Mike Pyle, Sean Spencer throwing down, man. Props to Spencer for surviving that exchange. This fight's in Vegas?

Yeah, this is at the MGM. That stadium looks empty. It's empty, I'm sure. props to Spencer for surviving that exchange. This fight's in Vegas? Yeah, this is at the MGM. That stadium looks empty. It's empty, I'm sure. When the main event dropped out, I'm sure a lot of people canceled their trips. Dude, I'm not mad at Verdum. I was going to talk about it at the beginning. It makes sense because since he's the heavyweight champ, the way it works out a lot of times is you get a percentage of pay-per-views,

but you have to hit a certain number. It's hard to market Stipe versus Verdum on two weeks. He's not going to hit those pay-per-views, but you have to hit a certain number. It's hard to market Stipe versus Verdum on two weeks. He's not going to hit those pay-per-view numbers. So when he was like, oh, I'm out, I was like, that's fucking brilliant. But he's definitely hurt. The word that I'm hearing from everybody is that he's fucking hurt. He's been having some back problems for a while now, apparently. He was having it on one side of his back, and it would lock up,

but he was working through it. Oh, nice spinning elbow. Oh, shit. We got some, son. Mike Pyle. Look at that. Come was working through it. Oh, nice spinning elbow. Oh, shit. We got some, son. Mike Pyle. Look at that. Come on, Pyle. Oh, shit.

Oh, nasty knee. Oh. Oh. Oh, my goodness. Stop it. Stop it. This fight is over, man. Oh, shit.

Oh, man. Sean Spencer's a monster. They can stop this fight. Hey, stop. Who's the ref? Is that Ian Levine? Oh, shit. Oh, he's about to get bullied deep down.

Stop this fight. Nah. Stop it. Steve Levine, son. Stop it, man. That's a brutal beating. Look, Pyle just looked at him. Stop? Oh, shit. He's about to get bullied deep down. Steve Levine, son. Stop it, man. That's a brutal beating. The pilot just looked at him. Stop it.

Stop it. He's not defending himself. Yves Levine lets shit go. Jesus Christ. Brutality. He does, but that was not good. I agree. But you know if you got Yves Levine as your ref, you're like, ah, I'm about to get fucked up.

Hey, it's a violent sport. It is a violent sport. Sometimes it happens. Yeah, but we can prevent that. You know what? He can prevent that. Four or five of those shots. He's looking at his eyes. Hey, it's some? He can prevent that. Four or five of those shots. He's looking at his eyes.

What pressure? Dude, four or five of those shots. He's been a ref for fucking ever. No, the pressure is if he would have stopped it early and everyone fucking went. No one gave a fuck. That guy was out. That guy was in trouble. I would rather have it go a little late than a little early.

No, that hurts the sport, my man. That doesn't hurt no fucking sport. I disagree. How is that hurting the sport? Are you kidding? We're paying for the violence. Yeah, but a little late is unnecessary. That wasn't that late, sport. I disagree. How is that hurting the sport? Are you kidding? We're paying for the violence. Yeah, but a little late is unnecessary. That wasn't that late, man.

That was very entertaining. That might be one less fight on Spencer's career. Brutality is what we pay for. Yeah, you're right. Well, look, it's real subjective, Eddie, because you're right in a lot of ways. But then again, there's guys that survive it, like Frankie Edgar, right? If you stopped every fight where Frankie Edgar was wobbled, you'd be in real trouble. I mean, he would have never beat Gray Maynard in that second fight by KO.

Because he got hurt hard in that first round and a lot of trigger-happy refs would have pulled the trigger on that fight. And there's a shitload of fights like that. There are. There's a whole list of them. But this one is prolonged. This is my problem with this. He's not hitting back and he's not defending himself. How's he going to win? He's not doing anything.

He's just taking shots. Stop this, right? He's not moving. He was defending himself until the very end. But those last shots, he's not moving. He's not moving at all. He's just surviving on his toughness. That was a great call. That was a great definitive call.

It wasn't on the fence. It's not bad. If it goes a little over the fence, it's fine. That's why There's subjective thinking Dude how experienced is Mike Powell You and I have different Different points of view But you know I see your argument

But we gotta realize Why are we watching this We're watching this Not for decisions We're watching this for brutality Right but you gotta protect a guy When a fight is basically over Highlights are all brutal

That's not a highlight You gotta protect a guy From his own toughness That's a crazy That's a beautiful highlight Beatdowns like that are highlights. I think it's a highlight. Come on.

It's a highlight. If you stopped it three punches before, it's still a highlight. I agree, too. I agree, too. But it's not the worst. That was not the worst stoppage. No, not at all.

You know what was worse? You know what was worse? Luke Rockhold and Chris Weidman. 100%. That was worse. That was a fight that should have been stopped. 100%. When he was on top of him

I was saying What does Luke Rockhold Have to do To get a stoppage Because this is terrible Chris Weidman Has taken damage That's probably

Unnecessary Not just unnecessary But most likely When you get beaten up Like that You're not going to recover But Really

There have been Many many fights Where they could have Easily stopped it And the guy came back To work Shane Carlin There's a lot of fights Like that There's a lot of fights like that.

There's a lot of fights like that. You gotta let it go for the fans. They're paying 65 fucking dollars now? Come on. We'd rather have a little late than a little early. A little late than a little early is always gonna win. I think Brock Lesnar looked better versus Shane Carlin

than Weidman did. There really wasn't any damage. He was getting hit but covering up, but there's no blood. But he looked like he was there. Yes, he was. Weidman was getting thumped on. Face was literally like someone shot him with a.22 to the face. That's like greatest moments of MMA history because of that.

What a bad motherfucker Brock was. That's why hardly nobody's doing MMA. Because of the brutality. That's why people are paying $65 for it. If it was all decisions, no one would pay for anything. If it was a sport of decisions. That's a stop regardless. That wasn't that bad. Well, okay.

Was it good? We don't have to argue about it. I see Eddie's point of view, and I'm leaning more towards your side. I think maybe it could have stopped because you're just standing there taking shots. He wasn't moving. That's my problem. When a guy's just standing there taking shots. He wasn't moving. That's my problem. We also know head trauma better. When a guy's just standing there taking shots and he's not moving, he's waiting for the referee to stop him.

But he was standing fully erect. He wasn't wobbling. Not for the last time. He's just a stud. He's a stud. He's in excellent shape. But that's how a lot of guys die. A lot of the guys that have died from getting beat up, they didn't go down.

They got beaten down. They sank into the ropes. How many people have died in MMA? up, they didn't go down. They got beaten down. They sank into the ropes. How many people have died in MMA? 5,000. I'm not talking about MMA. Mostly boxing. Mostly boxing. Well, you know, one of the things that MMA has going for it is that you can fucking clinch.

It's the cruelest shit ever to watch a guy rocked in a boxing match and the referee's pulling him off and holding on to the guy. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's like, oh, fuck. It's the only thing that's keeping that guy alive. It's gangster. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's like, oh, fuck. It's the only thing that's keeping that guy alive. It's gangster. It's the worst.

It's the only thing keeping him alive. They're like, nope, you can't hang on. They go, break out, break it up. You're like, oh, fuck. Oh, no. If you don't let go, I'm going to disqualify you. Oh, shit. It's the worst.

It's really dumb. Mike Pyle, powerful Mike Pyle. This is a big win for him. Congratulations to him. He's been fighting forever, man. 40 years old. I remember the first time I heard his name, Ed Clay said,

there's a guy from Tennessee named Mike Pyle who trains at my gym. Watch out for this guy. This was 2001 or 2000, so long ago. He's 40 now. He's crazy. Boom! Top of the head, son.

Well, I think MMA, in a way, has a longer lifespan, regardless of what you're taking. Even if you're taking nothing, then boxing does, because it's not as completely dependent upon reflexes. There's so many different skills to learn. Oh, man. Yeah, that's true. This is brutal.

See, that's when he looked at the referee. He looked at the referee and went, stop it. He landed one more and stopped. That's good. One more and he stopped. He wanted to make sure. Boom, okay, we're done. He's still on his feet.

Guy wasn't doing shit, though. Sean was just taking it because he was tough. He didn't need to take that last name. For sure. It's all right. Eddie wants violence. Poor baby. Rip his head off.

Eddie's that guy. Rip his head off. Wasn't the worst thing. Dude, I'm just trying to be honest here. That's it. I'm just trying to. I see what you're saying, but poor baby? Jesus Christ. Hey, man. This guy just fought his. No, I see what you're saying. But poor baby? Jesus Christ.

Hey, man. This guy just fought his heart out. You're like, poor baby. Hey, that's what people are paying $65. They know the game. I don't know, man. They know the game. They know it's brutal.

Everybody's well aware that you're in a fucking cage, man. Dudes are throwing full-blown shin kicks to your skull. No one's trying to stop that. But they are once you're hurt. Once you're hurt, one's trying to stop that. But they are once you're hurt. Once you're hurt, they are trying to stop that. That's the whole idea behind it. What would you rather take? What he went through against the fence like that with those elbows like that

and you were kind of standing? Or Edson Barbosa just throwing a straight fucking wheel kick in your face. Or that switch kick to your side. That switch kick to your floating rib. No, no, the switch kick ain't shit. I'm talking about the wheel kick with the heel in your eye socket.

That doesn't feel good. I'd rather take those Mike Pyle elbows and shit and little knee. Oh, definitely. His fucking wheel kick is perfect. His switch kick and his wheel kick are like the best I've ever seen. The fastest, too. So fast. Even his leg kicks are so goddamn fast. Barfos is probably the fastest kicker best I've ever seen. The fastest, too. Even his leg kicks are so goddamn fast.

Everything. Barfos is probably the fastest kicker maybe I've ever seen. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen anybody kick as fast as him. Not even close, though. I can't even think of. There's been a lot of fucking chaos with those wheel kicks over the last five years. Look at Wonderboy Thompson.

It's kind of common now. Do you remember we used to talk about it, and I was like, just people don't know how to do it. I go, if people know how to do it, it's horrific. Because if it lands, I've never seen anybody get't know how to do it Yeah, I go people know how to do it. It's horrific because if it lands I've never seen anybody get wheel kicked in the head by a guy who's good and not go out Like when you get healed when a heel hits your head It's you know like sometimes you catch guys with the toes and those guys are okay like you get slapped Yeah But when a heel hits you in the head from a guy who really knows how to and you got your boot on and you got

the boot off Wonder boy landed to no no no no And you got your boot on. And you got the boot on. Dude, Wonderboy landed too. No, no, no, no, no. You got your boot on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As opposed to like this. Exactly. Like that?

Well, the key is it's just like throwing a punch. The idea, like, when you're throwing a punch is you don't want your hand completely clenched up until you're going to make impact because then it slows the punch down. Yeah. So you're supposed to punch and then tighten your hand up as you're about to hit. It's like kind of a timing thing in a lot of ways

You want to keep everything as loose as possible while exploding in the right ways the same thing with a kick when you throw in that wheel kick you want everything to be almost like ballet until like Halfway there and then halfway there You're pulling your leg back and you pull it and you put and pushing your foot forward and you're sticking that heel out But it doesn't come into like there. It's like as you're in the middle of the spin once you get like there That's when everything hardens up and boom and then you come across with the heel. That's what Barbosa does No, MMA fighters are working on that shit in the Early to make fun of me. Yeah, nobody was working on everyone is now though. Yeah, dude people used to make fun of me. Yeah, nobody was working on that shit. Everyone is now, though. Dude, people used to make fun of me when I brought it up.

I would say, you know, once people learn how to really throw spinning back kicks to the body, it's like getting hit by a car. It was more really when the people that already know how to do it learn how to wrestle and do jiu-jitsu so they're not afraid to throw it. Because there was karate guys and taekwondo guys in those times, but they were told by their MMA coach, don't fucking throw that shit cuz these guys gonna take you down choke you out So they were limited like okay We're gonna keep it

You know nice and simple and we're not gonna do these spin kicks that we know how to do because we suck on the ground But once like Steven Thompson or Wonderboy To I'm gonna get Lumberg. Yeah, he's good Yeah, Wonderboy was fighting tonight. He landed two on Jake Ellenberger. He's good on the ground. Two, motherfucker. This was after Ellenberger said that it was a waste of time to throw those things. He's like, I'm not worried about his spinning technique.

He said waste of time? That's what he said. He's like, it was a waste of energy. In the preview. Did he really? Yeah, in the preview he said that. Oh, no. Wonderboy moves like a fucking snake.

That's the future right there. Guys that can strike like that, like Conor McGregor, like Diego Brandao, those guys that just throw everything. Diego Brandao, that's aggressive. He throws a lot of fuck. He's a great striker, isn't he? Not compared to those two.

He throws a lot of spinning shit. He throws some wild shit. He's like me compared to Joe Ban in the looks department. It's far off. Did you ever throw spinning shit in It's far off. Did you ever throw spinning shit in the UFC? Never. Never? Never, sir.

Why not? Why? You're super athletic. No one really taught me. I never had a kickboxing coach or a taekwondo coach. No one ever said you should,

every now and then, it's good to have a fucking game over weapon right there. That's the wheel kick, man. No. No one ever taught you that? No. A lot of fighters, though, don't throw them. That's the wheel kick, man. No. No one ever told you that? No.

A lot of fighters, though, don't throw them. Most, I would say 80% still don't throw them, right? A lot of them can't. At least 80%. A lot of them can't. That's a long-term project. It's a totally different thing to learn. You've got to spend a lot of time on that shit.

And it's not exactly, if you're putting it in, you know what, priorities? Yes. Spinning wheel kick. It's probably at number 30. It's a long-term project. For sure. Unless it's your shit. That's why it helps if you have a martial arts background to start with when you're a kid.

You learn that shit first. It becomes normal. If you see little four-year-olds throwing sidekicks and then wheel kicks, it's hilarious. It's cute. And it's adorable because their legs, they're so used to throwing their legs. Yeah. They throw their legs up in the air and it's normal. And then as they get older and their legs get heavy, their body's used to the dynamic.

Oh, that's going to be a good fight. Dude, come on. Habib Nurmagomedov and Tony Ferguson. That's Hagler-Hearns and shit right there. Thank God. Tony's going to fight Johnson again. I was like, what the fuck is this? Let's just settle the fuck down.

What happened there? What are the odds that that fight is really going to take place? Zero to none. Yeah, none happening. Why? Nurmagomedov's hurt all the time. He's, unfortunately, he's super talented, but he's hurt all the time. You think he's going to get hurt again?

Good chance. He easily could get hurt again. Easily. You know what? He's been hurt a lot lately. More likely to get hurt than not, I'd say. Yeah. Which sucks.

Yeah, look, people get hurt. So that's a 16. There's a 50% chance of him getting hurt? That's a 80%. That's a 60%. That's a lot. That's a Fox card, apparently. That's a 50% chance of him getting hurt? That's a 60%. That's a lot. That's a Fox card, apparently. That's a lot.

On my calendar, at least, that's a Fox card. I don't know if that's going to be an FS1 or a Fox card. I don't think it's an AKA thing, how these guys are getting hurt. I think Khabib and Kane, they just have so much experience with wrestling and doing combat sports. They're just getting up there, man. They're trying to train like regular dudes and they're getting hurt. But Habib's a young guy. Habib's a young guy. He has a ton of experience, though.

He does. He's undefeated. Wasn't he a world champion? Master of sports. And what's interesting because when you watch it... I thought he was just a wrestler. He's a Greco player, too, though. He looks like, when you're watching him compete, he looks just a wrestler. Oh, and he beat the brakes off Dos Anjos. He's a Greco player, too, though. He looks like, when you're watching him compete, he looks like a wrestler.

His wrestling and his positioning is outstanding. Is he leg-locking people? Not really. No? He's smashing people on the ground. Those guys in Russia do a lot of Greco, too, though. When you're a Sama guy, you're also doing a lot of Greco, typically. Well, his clinch is insane.

His ability to control from the top is insane. Which I was going to say about Rockhold the other day. Two fights in a row, Rockhold impressed me in a huge way with his ability to control from the top. Against Machida and then against Weidman. Because Machida was impressive, but I was like, I think he had Machida fucked up before they went to the ground. It was a temple thing. Machida went to the ground, he destroyed him. I think Machida was already fucked up. But Weidman wasn't. Weidman, he just caught a wheel kick in a fight where there was a temple thing. Machida went to the ground. He destroyed him. I think Machida was already fucked up. But Weidman wasn't.

Weidman, he just caught a wheel kick in a fight where there was a real close fight. But once he got him on the ground, man, god damn. Just top game. I think he was so much stronger, too. I think he's, you know, Weidman was walking around at 193, apparently. And, I mean, Rockhold, two weeks before the fight, was 216. Technique, too. His technique is nasty.

You can't just say size. Sizing isn't going to teach you jiu-jitsu. He's obviously got, he's also training with, I don't know, Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez. I think that's a huge part of it, man.

I think that's a huge part of it because like Cormier said, when he fought Jon Jones, he didn't have Cain in his corner. Cain was all fucked up from surgery. And he's like, it made a big impact on me.

I really felt it. Whether or not that had anything to do with him losing to Jon Jones, you're making that face. I want to see Anthony Johnson. I really felt it. Whether or not that had anything to do with him losing to Jon Jones, you make in that face. I want to see Anthony Johnson and Jon Jones fight. Oh yeah, I want to see that too. That's what I want to see.

I want to see him with Kane in his corner training with him. See if that has any impact. That fight's going down, right? Kane's going through surgery apparently. He's going to have back surgery. He already had it. What do going to have back surgery. Really? He already had it.

Yeah. He already had it. He already had it. What do you think about Holman Tate? I think it's a tough fight. That Kane back surgery is not an easy thing. That's not like a small deal. You're taking pieces of your disc.

He's out for a while. He had a discectomy, right? Is that correct? What does that mean? That means the gel that separates your discs. He had a piece of it removed because it was pressing into his nerve. It's a very controversial procedure because some people feel like you don't have to do it. Like Louie Simmons, the guy from Westside Barbell. They wanted to take him and fuse his discs.

And that's why he created that machine that I have out back. The hyper, the back, what the fuck's it called? Reverse hyper. Uh-oh. That's a big glass of wine. Yeah, I'm not mad at that wine. Are you trying to get loose, Eddie? We're trying to get loose.

I hear some drums in the background. My favorite Chianti right there. Some tomahawks. Hey, hey, hey. Callum brought the fire tonight. Brought the fire. Get involved in that Chianti. So what do you do with Kane?

If he can't fight? You gotta rehab that back, man. I'm not necessarily a big fan of cutting your back right away. I think you gotta take some time off of training and really heal that bitch up correctly. I'm pretty sure you already had surgery. Well, here's my thoughts, though. If you want to get back into it really quick, that's the way to do it. But long-term health, I'm not entirely convinced.

Obviously, I'm not a doctor, but I've recovered from bulging discs. I had a bulging disc in my back that doesn't exist anymore. And a bulging disc in my neck. It doesn't exist anymore. If you look at it on an MRI, it looks different. And it's from long-term rehab. I had to take a lot of time off of rolling. I had to do spinal decompression.

I did it in an office with a chiropractor at first. And then I got some machines where you could strap them up, some mechanical shit you strap to your door at your house. I went through Regenequin injections. I went through a lot of rolfing and breaking apart scar tissue that was pulling on everything, and everything was all fucked up and tightened up. It was just like years and years of wear and tear. But now, through that and through yoga, I don't have any of those issues anymore. They're gone.

That's amazing. So I don't know how bad his was, but I know mine was my fucking hands were numb. You know, my left hand was going numb. That bad? Yeah, my fingers, my two fingers, my ring finger and my pinky finger were going numb. So let me ask you this, Joe. What do you do with the heavyweight division? You have Verdun fight a guy like Rothwell or Stipe?

I think what Kane should concentrate on, if I was Kane, I mean, get your body completely fucking healthy. There's a lot of people that have severely criticized his strength and conditioning videos that are online. I don't know if he works with this guy anymore, but he was working with a guy that was the strength and conditioning coach. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen this? No. Oh, my God. Is he doing some bullshit?

Oh, yeah. Pull up. Kane does 200- pound kettlebell swings His form is According to Steve Maxwell And according to a bunch of other respected kettlebell trainers Completely wrong That's not good

And this guy's got him lifting this insane weight And doing this completely wrong Almost like a shrug Jesus Christ 200 pounds Yeah it's like 200 plus I think it's more than 200 I think it's 200 plus

Here it is It's 203 pounds So this is his training 200 pounds. Yeah, it's like 200 plus. Good way to blow your asshole out. I think it's more than 200. I think it's 200 plus. Here it is. It's 203 pounds. So this is his training. I'm telling you, the reviews on YouTube by people that seem to know what the fuck they're talking about. Watch this. His trainer looks like Fred Flintstone. But look at this.

What he's doing. He's doing a shrug. That's not a swing. That's not a swing at all. It's not a swing. Yeah, no wonder your back's fucked up, sir. You can totally get fucked up doing this. The fuck is that? It's not a swing. It's not a swing at all. It's not a swing. Yeah, no wonder your back's fucked up, sir. You can totally get fucked up doing this. The fuck is that? It's wrong.

And the guy had him doing leg extensions. Well, look, the guy's obviously a big fucking guy himself. That doesn't mean shit. I mean, this is better than doing nothing, right? I disagree. But it's not optimal. It's not the best technique. He'd be fighting right now if he was doing this bullshit.

That is the biggest kettlebell ever. 100%. That's a big-ass kettlebell. That looks like one of those bouncy balls that my son has. All he's doing is swinging and doing an upright row. Yeah, well, it's a shrug. It's like he swings, he gets to where his dick is, and then he shrugs. It's like a shitty shrug upright row.

It's not a kettlebell swing. And it's probably not good for you. It doesn't look right. And Steve Maxwell was furious. When Steve Maxwell saw it, he was like, that is, that's like, he was like almost essentially calling it like malpractice. That looks horrible. I don't have a degree in it, but that looks terrible.

I've been around the weight room my entire life. That looks fucking terrible. What you got with Kane is you got a fucking super athlete. A guy who just do what you tell him and fucking push through everything. Yeah. And that's probably one of the reasons why he's been injured. It's because he's pushed through some pain that maybe he should have laid off of. And I don't know.

I mean, maybe a discectomy for him is perfect. Maybe it's perfect. Maybe it's a real simple thing. Like, maybe it's only sticking out a little bit on one side. If they trim it, he'll be back to training in four weeks. I don't know. But I know that for a lot of people, you can get real hasty and make a decision to jump into surgery, and it's not the best decision.

Especially when there's a lot of money on the line. You have to fight, though. That's the thing. For a lot of these guys, they might have to fight in six months. So you would have to get the surgery because realistically, with six months of therapy, you might not be ready again yet. Dude, he has to fight before six months. The heavyweight belt's on your weight six months.

Well, if his health is on the line... Flying arm triangle. If his health is on the line, this guy's good, man. What weight is this? Is this heavyweight? 205. This is the main card? No, yeah, Mishka Sirkunov

is the Russian guy. He's a stud, man. Couple one-two bodies on him. That was pretty brutal. Good hair.'s a big Russian guy. He's a stud, man. A couple one-two bodies on him. That was pretty brutal. Good hair. Good hair on that guy. I'm just saying, Joe, if he's out six months, you're going to have to have a... Yeah.

Well, he doesn't have the title. He doesn't have the title. You're going to have to do Steve A. Rothwell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would do both of them in that time that it takes him to realistically come back. Yes. But he's got to... I don't know.

He's got to be careful. He's just... He's still fairly young. I mean, I think Kane's like, what, 34? 34? He has a lot of experience. You know what I'm saying? Like, it catches up. But he could realistically fight at the highest level for the next three years.

Not with these injuries. I don't know. It's real controversial, but in my experience, talking to different doctors, there's doctors that say you should get surgery, and there's doctors that say you should absolutely not get surgery until you've exhausted all the options. Either way, he still won the Grace of All Time heavyweights easily. Well, Jake Shields, they were telling him he was fucked.

What happened to him? They were telling him he couldn't fight again, he should stop training. And he was really mad. He's like, these fucking doctors are so negative, man. Because first of all, they're just regular doctors used to dealing with regular people. A lot of them not used to dealing with elite athletes. And guys who are willing to go through the kind of rehab that a guy like Jay Shields is willing to go through. Like some serious fucking pain and discomfort.

But he got through it. He's fighting now. He just backed out of his fight in the World Series. Apparently it's a contract thing. Yep. Do you know the full details? I don't. Apparently what it is, is it's a title fight. So if he fights for the title, because

Paul Harris got stripped. They stripped Paul Harris after the John Fitch fight, because they say he held it too long, right? Was it a Fitch fight? I thought he, no, no. He got banned. Yeah, stripped him after that. But here's the thing about the eye gouge.

You either stop the fight while it's happening. Yeah, you don't let it go. You can't see. And then to strip him afterwards for eye gouges? That's super unprecedented. Well, maybe they saw tape and realized he was dragging his finger through it. He was hiding what he was doing. It was different than

Travis Brown and Mitrione. Travis Brown and Mitrione was very evident. Replays, everyone saw it. They're just like, you're good, just keep it with one eye. Paul Harris is a cheater. He was cheating. He was definitely sticking fingers in the eye. That was a real issue. He's a bad guy. What people got mad about was the Kimura. He held the Kimura,

but I don't think that was that bad. Because the referee was in the wrong place. The referee fucked up. I have to look at it again. The referee's tapping his back. You're expecting him to recognize that that's a referee tapping his back in the middle of a ferocious cage fight. The referee's supposed to be in between the two of them. He's supposed to stop it.

If it was a normal guy. He's notoriously known for it. Exactly. He's done it so often. But if it was a normal guy, like if it was you, if you had Mitrione in that same position, you hit that Kimura and you held it for that long while the referee was tapping you, I do not think you'd get the same kind of grief. I agree.

I think you would say, I was in the middle of the fight. I didn't even realize the referee was tapping me. I didn't see him. Because the referee's in the wrong place. The referee in that position is supposed to get in between the fighters. He's supposed to be in front so he could look him in the eye while Paul Harris has that Kimura. He was out of place. He was over here.

He's supposed to be over here What about Paul Harris versus Gary Tonin And Polaris God damn I love that Polaris 3 Where's that taking place at

How gangster is Gary Tonin Holy shit Let's explain Polaris I hope Gary Tonin beats him I hope Gary Tonin beats him Polaris is A jiu jitsu show A jiu jitsu event

Held in England It's kind of like Metamorris They have a bunch of Single matches That are submission only And I think if there's no submission It ends up being a draw at the end 20 minutes? It's just like Metamorris in that respect

I think 15, 20 minutes, something like that And they put on great shows, great matchups And man, Gary Tonin is taking on Paul Harris I saw that That is so fucking gangster I agree, when I saw it I was scared Who wants to He's the only guy that's asking for Paul Harris I saw that. That is so fucking gangster. I agree. When I saw it, I was scared. Who wants to... He's the only guy that's asking for Paul Harris.

Nobody wants Paul Harris. This is just in jiu-jitsu, right? Nobody. The last five guys that have fought Paul Harris, it's because they just... They offered the fucking fight to him and no one's going after him. And in grappling, just grappling. Can you imagine if he leg locks Paul Harris? What the shit?

What if he leg locks Paul Harris? It's highly possible that he's going to leg lock Pajaras. But it gives you an idea how good Jake Shields was because he was beating Pajaras up on the ground. He was controlling his body completely. Jake Shields is very good. He's unbelievable. Jake Shields is one of the best. Gary Tonin, though, when we saw him at your event, I can't remember the last time I saw something like that.

He's a motherfucker. He was eating these dudes up. Well, that leg lock game game that john donahue leg lock game is very high level man him and eddie eddie cummins the both those guys are fucking wizards man and donahue apparently is a wizard too like i've never seen donahue roll but everybody says he's just he's so god damn smart it all started with dean lister dean listerister went to Henzo's in like late 90s, 2000, 2001, and Dean Lister came into the jiu-jitsu world already as a sambo guy. So he was always

the guy, even as a white belt, as a blue belt in Southern California. Dean, we grew up together in the jiu-jitsu world. He was always that leg lock dude, that sambo guy who got into jiu-jitsu. So that dude, Dean Lister goes on to win Abu Dhabi, absolute leg-locking fucking everybody.

That knee bar that he hits Salo Ribeiro with, holy shit, in 2003, watch that shit. The knee bar he hits Salo Ribeiro. Salo Ribeiro is like one of the best ever, one of the greatest jiu-jitsu players ever. And that knee bar that he got him with was insane. Gary Tonin, I don't know what

the current rankings are but is he number one? In person, he might be the best I've ever seen. There's no real official rankings. I'm telling you,

there's a point game and then there's a submission only game but let me finish really quick. So that guy, Dean Lister, he goes to Henzo's

and Danaher's there, Danaher's Henzo's little prodigy and he leaves an there. Danaher's Henzo's little prodigy. And he leaves an impression with Danaher. Oh, crap. He left a couple... Oh, man, he's out. He fucked his jaw up. And then Danaher took what

he learned from Dean Lister and he just blew that shit up. And Danaher's like a scientist. I think he's a physicist or something. Danaher or a rock underarm or jeans. He has his PhD in philosophy. Something like that. He has his PhD in philosophy and he used to, Henso used to give him, Henso back, this is literally, I don't know, got

2003 or whatever. Henso, when somebody would come in to kind of challenge and somebody was really good, he would kind of casually give John, he'd say, roll with John for a while and see how you do first. And John would just, you'd watch him tap these dudes like these really good Sambo guys or whoever they were and he'd say, roll with John for a while and see how you do first. And John would just, you'd watch him tap these dudes like these really good sambo guys

or whoever they were and he'd just like he was moving in slow motion. He's a minimalist, right? Yeah, he's just really smart, man. He was like one spoon and one super small. He was a bodybuilder or a powerlifter type physique at one point in time. What? Yes. That was super strong. He was working as a bouncer. He's ridiculously strong.

And he wanted to learn martial arts to deal with, like in bouncing situations, he realized I should probably have some skills. That's insane. I had no idea. He doesn't look like it now, but he's still obviously very strong. If you look at him,

he's thick and fit, but apparently he used to be like really big. Damn, I saw him at a UFC event. He was like at the bar afterwards and he had on a fucking rash guard and some jeans tucked in. He wore a rash guard. No fucks given either.

He does that all the time. That's his wedding. That's his thing. He wears rash guards everywhere. He did? Yeah. So gangster. I always see him in a...

He was in Whole Foods in New York. Look who he's created. Eddie Cummings, Gary Tonin. Because Gary Tonin went to Henzo's to train with Danner, and he didn't have any leg locks. He was all rear naked choke. He had his basic. He was already a black belt. He went to Danner. That's when he't have any leg locks. He was all rear naked choke. He had his basic, he was already a black belt. He went to Danner,

that's when he started learning the leg locks from him and through Eddie Cummings. Him and Eddie Cummings just became like best friends and training partners. I was so impressed with Gary Dillon, man.

I took privates from John Donner. Did you? Yes. Like probably five, six of them. And now they got this new guy, Gordon Ryan, who just got his black belt. He's fucking amazing as well. That's the new guy. You're going to hear about Gordon Ryan. He's got monsters at Henzo's, six of them. And now they got this new guy, Gordon Ryan, who just got his black belt. He's fucking amazing as well.

That's the new guy. You're going to hear about Gordon Ryan. He's got monsters at Henzo's, huh? Yes. You know who's another leg lock master that people forget? Dave Terrell. You remember Dave Terrell versus Ricardo Almeida in 2003 in Abu Dhabi? I don't remember that.

Dude, Dave Terrell had some nasty ass fucking leg locks. Dave Terrell was so explosive. I've heard legendary stories about him in the training room. I think he's the best ever. Seeing him compete, like watching him in Abu Dhabi, I always expected he was going to be UFC champion, because he went into MMA and started smashing people. He knocked out

Matt Lindland in the first round, but Evan Tanner got him. And he also had a series of catastrophic ear injuries. He had to have a series of catastrophic ear injuries. Really? He had to have his ear removed from his head. What? He had, like, staff inside his head. That's a problem.

From his ear. His ears were just gonzo, right? Jesus. They were, like, these just fucking ashtrays on his head. Hard as a rock. Just all cauliflowered up. But apparently, like, just years and years of hard training, he got an infection inside his ear. And they had got an infection inside his ear.

And they had to take it off his body. He had to take his whole fucking ear off his head, clean it all out, try to fuse it and swab it and cauterize it to get it to stop oozing pus. You know you train a lot when your ear falls off. It didn't work. They had to do it again. He went through like... And when your ears fucked Have you ever had an earache or real bad? Yeah, I can't do worse. You're your

Equilibrium off you can't do shit or worse, so he's like a mythical creature Nor nor cow do I hear so many crazy stories about that guy who is time compete? I was like that fucking guy moves like a ghost and fast fuck and his students one of them Joe Soto They're so good at leg lock defense. Joe Soto, generally when you game plan against Eddie Cummings, the game plan is stay away from any kind of footsie battles. You don't want to battle. That's the game plan. Avoid it.

Try to do the super basic jujitsu strategy like what uh um i think it was lucas dupree in abu dhabi did uh gary tonin it was either lucas dupree or leandro lowe i get those guys mixed up all the time i don't but one of those guys in abu dhabi went against gary tonin and he just straight knee slice boom stayed tight stayed inside control top half tight never let gary get anywhere near his legs. You know, that's the game plan against a leg lock guy like Eddie Cummings. That's it. You try to play footsies with him, you're retarded.

But Joe Soto, he went in there in the finals at EBI 3. He went in there and just said he sat on his ass, said I'm going to play footsies with Eddie Cummings, and it worked for a long time. Everybody was just blown away. It's like how the fuck is he leaving his legs out there for, you know, Eddie Cummins grafters legs. And Joe Soto just displayed just this incredible defense, his leg lock defense.

I was reffing going, what the fuck? Is he really playing footsies with Eddie Cummins? He ended up getting caught. with Eddie Cummings. He ended up getting caught. Eddie Cummings did catch him, but he showed tremendous fucking savagery for going in there and playing legs with him. And I talked to him afterwards,

and he said, dude, I roll with Dave Terrell all the goddamn time. That guy's always after our legs. Are you kidding me? We're used to this shit. Yeah, it's kill or be killed if you're in a leg lock type of category. Dude, speaking of submissions.

But Cummings' knee's all fucked up now. How about your boy Barnett and Rothwell? Insane. Who the fuck called that? Insane. Insane. Huh? Insane.

Apparently when Rothwell gets a hold of your neck, he just knows how to squeeze that choke. Well, he was showing me what he got him in. Oh, that's horrible. I don't know how his hands are, though. I don't know how he's gripping his hands. I don't know how it is either. It's a 10-finger guillotine, essentially, but his jiu-jitsu coach wanted to call it a go-go choke. Horrifying. Because it goes against your throat wanted to call it a go-go choke. Horrifying.

Because it goes against your throat, sort of like a go-go plata. There's no one hotter in the UFC division, heavyweight division right now than... No, Rothwell's the beast. He's the beast. Good luck beating that guy right now with that confidence. Well, Stipe's the beast too, though. It's like, it's real close. Like, after Stipe destroyed Orlovsky like that, Stipe's right in there, man.

We'll face Mickey Gall later this year yeah mickey gal apparently won earlier tonight he did and he's uh i was hearing a lot of chris isms about a face off yeah cm punk walked in it was the first prelim ever to have a face off i just feel like i don't know why he would want to do that i feel like if he was, he would just start fighting in small organizations. I get that you want to get a lot of money because the UFC is where it's at with money. But I would think the smart move is what he's already done training-wise. Go to a real camp. He goes to Rufus. Perfect.

Rufus is going to teach him how to strike as good as anybody in the world. Agree. And then you got real good wrestling with Ben Askren. You got real good jiu-jitsu. You got everything there. Everything. Everything there. He's fine.

I heard they offered him to go through the tough show. And he's like, nah, man, I'm trying to go right to the show. So I think tough would have been better for him. Yeah. You get ratings. We see how he does. He gets warm up. And then he goes.

But for your first fight to be in that octagon, good fucking luck, man. Who's Mickey Gall? Is he tough, though? Well, he's a newcomer. They found him on that looking for a fight show on HBO in a small show. Or in YouTube, rather. In a small organization. What are you looking for, Eddie?

He's a brown belt. Brown belt's significant. Is he a brown belt? That's what I read earlier today after he won. They said brown belt. He won by submission. They said he was a brown belt. I heard blue and purple. The UFC said brown belt, so I didn't see him fight. He won by submission. They said he was brown. I heard blue and purple.

The UFC said brown belt, so I don't know. Okay. Well, he might have got his brown right before the fight. Either way. To give him a little pump me up. That's three more belts ahead of CM Punk. That shit goes to the ground. Yes.

That's a big difference. Who knows what CM Punk's been able to do. He's been training for over a year. Dude, can you imagine if CM Punk goes in and just gets murked? It'd be like from the Waterboy when Michigan put in the Waterboy, the actual Waterboy. He certainly could, right? He could totally get murked. Who knows?

If this kid can strike... Like, if he can strike, if the kid has good jiu-jitsu and he can strike, good luck learning how to strike in a year. Jesus. If the guy doesn't have any striking under him, can you imagine? Okay, like you're gonna find a strike jiu-jitsu? Some dude who's got some serious knockout power, and you're going to practice for a year. That's ridiculous. Dude, I like CM Punk as a person, but for the sport, I think it's best if he gets murked.

Is that fucked up? By the way, no. And that's going to make headlines? I'm happy when anybody says gets murked. Me too. I like when you go, gets starched. I forget. Is there anything worse?

You and I were talking about Rumble and Jon Jones. You never know, man. Rumble could starch him. When he said starch, I was like, oh. He could. Rumble could starch anybody. Anybody in the world. Rumble can hit you on the temple and your shit could just go I think Jon mops the floor. He has the biggest head, along with Stipe, I've ever seen.

He could. Rumble's head is gigantic. It's a big fucking head. If he connects against Jon Jones, it's... I don't think he will, though. I think Jon takes him down, wears him out, and takes his heart. People forget that Stipe got stopped by Skyscraper. Stefan Struve, back in the day. Knocked him out.

Yeah. Did an inside leg kick. Boom. Knocked him out. Stefan Struve, man, he's had some real tough fights. There's a guy who's had some real tough fights He's had some like brutal knockout losses Horrible losses

And he's 7 foot tall Back in the day the kid had some mad potential And still does He's only 26, 27 right He has so many fights though man His age is not what I count I count he has what 40 fights some shit He's had some ruthless knockouts inside the Oxgons.

And when's the last time you saw a seven-foot-tall grandpa? Anyone? Go. They don't live long. Anybody? Anybody? No, they don't. Although we saw that one giant guy.

And he has heart conditions. No. Yeah, they all have heart conditions. They're just too big. I wonder if they can mitigate that today. I wonder if they understand what it is. Nah, you're dying. So fucked up. You're pretty tall. like what it is the thought like now you're dying 100 well you know what though honestly do you really want to live past 80 fucking right I do what

kind of dog shit arthritis rid-ridden existence is that? Oh, my brain will be open. Former athlete past 80? I mean, good Lord. You're fucked. Well, you know what, though, man? Think about that. You're fucked.

40 years from now, who the fuck knows what kind of crazy medicine you're going to have? My son goes, Daddy, what's going to happen when I'm 45? And he asked me that for real. And I said, shit. You'll be a computer. I'm probably going to be dead. That's what I said. I just don't want to be dead when I come out with this technology.

I thought about that. He's going to be 45. Look at that, son. And I'm not going to see it. April 23rd. Sorry, I just got to call this out. April 23rd. I'm Jim.

John Jones has been lifting weights. Hey, I love got to call this out. April 23rd. I'm Jim. Jon Jones has been lifting weights. Hey, I love how Jon's lifting weights. Everyone's like, nah, he's a good guy now. Everything's all good. Why? Because he posts pictures lifting weights? He's a fucking monster now. Damn.

Jon Jones is ridiculous. Good luck beating him. Yeah. God. And I don't think Rumble's gonna wait for a For a title shot Yeah now He said he's not

I would like I wouldn't wait either if I was Rumble I would Get some quick work in And if he got busted with coke again Dude Ryan I wouldn't care

Ryan Bader I love the guy where he said Oh shit that ain't snowflake That motherfucker came right in Shot a low single And just stayed on it And also Hanging on to a Kimura

Damn look at this Against a big guy so who do? The Olympic Those guys are super small Those guys are quick They are. I was like, ooh. 125. Oh, that's right. 125. That's the girls' division. Those guys are quick. That's what I say. Instead of saying small.

This guy's a scramble. What were we talking about? They can hustle. They can hustle. They better be. What were we just talking about? Cormier. Cormier.

Cormier, Rumble. And John Jones. Oh, quick work. Ryan Bader. Oh, fuck. Like, him trying to finish that Kimura. Like, that's a hard move to pull off on a strong dude as it is. Right?

A guy as strong as Rumble who's on top and you don't even have half guard. He panicked, I think. Because he had no control of his legs. When he was holding onto it, he had to do something with his legs. He just didn't have the dexterity to get into a position like a half guard or something and then get up to the dog fight. Right? Rumble said, what the fuck is this?

He got empty half at one point, right? He got spr half at one point, right? Climbed up the full mound. Well, the problem is he's so fucking strong. Explosive, too. And in the beginning of the round, he's 100%. He's not even remotely tired. I jumped a car out of this. And he's on your back.

Or he's got you on your back. He's on top of you. And you know one of those punches is going to change your life. One punch. Just one. You've got to be really good on your back That's all that is you got to be really fucking or you take him down. It looks great John Jones It's a grim right there. What was he now trying to take an ankle? No, I'm John Jones you take rumble down maybe I

Promise you he's gonna inside trip him take him down my he's gonna break him and then TKO He might might not man, you're so confident. Yeah, how could you say that? You're so confident. Who the fuck knows what's going to happen? Damn. That's what I think is going to happen. Rumble is getting better and better,

and now that he's training with Neil Melanson, he's getting his grappling in order. I hear you, Joe. Yeah, I agree. He's a monster. He's going to get hypnotized. Was Johnson a Jukebox champion? He's going to get hypnotized.

He might. You thought about it. You are the champion. He has the skills to starch anyone, in the words of Joe Rogan. Yeah, he's got the skills to stiffen them all up. It's whether or not he can apply it against the very best of the best. But he's at this edge. Like, I don't think he's done improving.

So he's at this edge right now where only a guy like Cormier can beat him. Because everybody else, Jimmy Manoa, everybody gets the fuck beat out of him. Gustafsson gets the fuck beat out of him. I disagree. They fight, I think it's five and five. That's a good fight. Gustafsson got headbutt. Gustafsson and Rumble Johnson's good fight, matchup-wise.

Gustafsson got headbutt, actually. They had one fight. He got starched. Yeah, he smashed him. Yeah, I know. I'm saying that doesn't happen every time. I don't know. I don't know what happens every time.

You've got a good point. What makes you think that that wouldn't happen again? No one knows. It might not happen every time. I don't know, man. I don't know what happens every time. You got a good point. You got a good point. No one knows. It might not happen every time, but with the data that we have currently available... The data? Yeah, you gotta go with the data, man. Scary guy who knocks everybody dead, and he knocked

the data. He knocked them dead. And so you gotta think, okay, first of all, the kind of beating that Gustafson took in that fight, you don't want to take again. I agree. That was a bad beating. How about the data with D.C. Anthony Johnson? Bracey broke him. He definitely broke him.

So when I see a guy break, and I look at Jon Jones, who's broken everybody, including D.C., broke D.C. Let's not get it twisted. Let's look at the data we have here. Yes, we're assuming. According to the data. Right, but we're assuming according to the data right but that we're not talking about him we're talking about gustafson i know you're talking about i'm saying but you're going to just jimmy fight jimmy pull up that head but that was a monster fucking fight they definitely looks like they call yeah and everybody can get broken yep you know everybody can get broke if a

guy there's always gonna be a guy that's gonna break you i disagree multiple guys no the great ones don't get broke because they're not they don't fight anybody that much better than them. There's always going to be a guy that's going to break you. I disagree. There's always going to be multiple guys that can break you. No, the great ones don't get broke. Because they don't fight anybody that much better than them. Because they're great. Than they are against the other guys. Lombardi said, Vince Lombardi said, fatigue makes cowards of us all. That's for sure. Look how fatigued John was against Gus Finn. Of men, right?

Yeah. I've thought of that all the time. Yeah, it makes me a pussy You're tired I turn into such a pussy Oh yeah Everyone knows Everybody does

Cardio Cardio's a motherfucker But you know what man I've been getting into This straight cardio Over the last few months I've been doing like These hardcore cardio workouts

Just cause I hate them What are you talking about Like what kind of cardio These ridiculous sprints Like not like a Tabata protocol But I do a 30 second on 30second off on an elliptical machine. I adjust it from 16, which is pretty hard, pretty stiff, to 20, which is like you're wrestling this fucking thing.

And I'll do these death sprints. 30 and 30? Yeah. That's good. For how many, though? You have 30 on, 30 off? It depends on what I'm trying to do. But I do a 45-minute workout.

And what I'm doing in the 45-minute workout, the first 15 minutes, I'm just getting everything ramped up. So the first 15 minutes, there's no sprints. The first 15 minutes, just keeping it on 16 and going at a very fast pace. Then once I get to the first 15 minutes and I'm sweating, then it's death runs. I go on these 30-second runs. For a whole 30 minutes. Depending upon how long I can last, how many death runs I can do. Because sometimes I can't do the death runs.

I just have to pace myself at 16. But then when I feel like I've got my heart rate down, because my elliptical thing has got a little heart rate thing. What kind of elliptical do you have that can take this fucking beast of a workout? They all can. Everybody uses elliptical machines They just kind of go steady, but if you go on a death run

You got to go on a save your life save your loved one save your mom from fucking who makes you do that though I do it. I just do it. No, but I mean like who makes you sprint My inner insecurity of time. Can't you like think you're sprinting but you're like during the sprint time you're like you know what no man I'm fucking sprinting I'm going as fast as I can

whatever no there's a number there's a number of revolutions per minute and I want to keep it above a certain number I don't remember what it is at

at 180 or at 20 but it's somewhere where you want your heart rate to be somewhere around 180 and I forget what the revolutions are because they're different on the one that I use at the gym versus the one that I use at home. But you could have a number where you could keep it at that number.

So it's at like 147, I think. So when you hit 147, you just got to fucking keep it there for that 30 seconds. And it's big, deep Wim Hof breaths the whole time. And just wrestle this thing for 30 seconds. You know what's a nightmare? And then relax. You know what's a nightmare? Is setting just a little something.

Set the treadmill at 15 incline and put it at 4 miles an hour and walk. Walk for 15 minutes. Try to stay on that pace. It's hard. It's hard. It'll kill you. Have I talked about the cardio I did for Metamorris? Yeah, the sprinting in the pool. Yeah. It's hard. It'll kill you. Have I talked about the cardio I did for Metamorris? Yeah, the sprinting in the pool.

Yeah. It's awesome. Well, Tim Ferriss. Death runs. Death runs and recovery. That's what it's all about. The thing about the pool thing, though, is the way I did it was there's a giant clock, and every time it hits 12, you sprint across the pool.

So when you get to the end of the pool, whatever's left in that minute, you get to rest. So when you're doing that, no one has to tell you bust ass. You're busting ass to rest. Because you know after the first maybe six laps are easy. As soon as the clock hits 12, you bust ass across the pool, you sprint, you get past and it's like you got 35 seconds to rest and then you rest and you do it back as soon as it hits the 12 boom after like 12 you're dead in the pool yeah and no matter how chaotic doesn't take long breathing is you got no matter how tired

you are you got to keep your breathing on point because to swim your shit so you got you're like dying but at the same time there's something in your mind that you're on, dude, survival mode. You're dying, but your breathing's got to be perfect or you're going to swallow water. You're going to swallow water. And that, to me, was super fucking crucial. It's great for grappling, too, because you're wrestling with the water. No matter what, you're breathing. No matter how chaotic your situation is, you practice

breathing in chaotic situations. Because if you hiccup at all, you swallow water. This is a good fight. Zach Makovsky and Joseph Benavidez. This is a very good fight. I've been looking forward to this. Benavidez gets another title shot, you think? Maybe. He's down at Muscle Farm

and he's training with Bang again. Doing all his training with Bang. I don't know what's going on with those guys in Sacramento. What's down at Muscle Farm and he's training with Bang again. Doing all his training with Bang. I don't know what's going on with those guys in Sacramento. What's happening, how often they're going to... Him and Lance Palmer have been bouncing all over. I don't mean to cut you off, Joe. Him and Lance Palmer have been bouncing all over. They went to Jackson's, they went to Muscle Farm.

At Muscle Farm, they've got a hell of a team down there. TJ, Lance Palmer, Benavidez, Neil Magny, Thatch. Well, Benavidez has got to do what he's got to do. I mean, he doesn't have many years left. I think he's in his 30s as well. I think he's 34. But at one... Oh, boy.

Wow. What's he do if he loses to DJ again? Well, what if he loses to McCoskey tonight? McCoskey beats this guy, man. Maybe. I'm just saying. McCoskey just took him down. I agree.

Let's say he fights DJ for a third time and he loses. Hey, man. We can't do four. I'm sorry. We can't do four. We gotta move on. Well, what does he do then? That's a real question. Opens a gym. Did you see Justin Scoggins today? Yes. Jesus Christ. Hell yeah. Jesus Christ.

He looked fantastic. Justin fucking Scoggins. Holy shit. God damn. Dude. Yes. That karate style. Justin fucking Scoggins. Holy shit. Holy shit. God damn. Dude. Yes. That karate style? I don't know shit about him, dude. I'm not like you guys. I'm not like an encyclopedia right now. There's too many UFCs. I can barely keep up. I didn't know who the fuck he was, but I saw

him for the first time today, the prelims. I was thinking, holy shit. Against Ray Borg. Ray Borg's a motherfucker. Before the fight started, they had mentioned Scogins thinks he has the best movement in MMA and I'm like, oh my motherfucking God How retarded can this guy be? Fucking retard and then after one round I'm like, okay Can you can you keep the pace well, and then he was he looked really good on the ground Okay, he might have a point here. Let me see another round.

Can you keep the pace? And then he looked really good on the ground. His ground looked decent. His wrestling was good. And his striking was just like coming from all sorts. He's fighting left-handed. He's fighting right-handed. He's throwing every kick and spinning everything. Like, holy shit.

He's one of the best guys at standing in that sideways karate-style stance and using the front leg, too. Front leg sidekicks your thigh. Front leg sidekicks your body. Super talented. I don't know if Brian Stans was correct or not, but he was talking about how, and I don't know, like I said, I don't know anything about Scroggins, but Brian Stans was saying that when he fights southpaw, he fights more karate, And when he fights right, orthodox, he's fighting more Muay Thai or something like that. When he's fighting right hand,

this style. When he's fighting left hand, this style. Holy shit, how cool is that? That's a great style. But he changes it up. Like right here, I feel good Muay Thai. Right here, I'm a karate guy. Holy fuck, that's amazing. His sideways stance allows him to use that front leg.

So if you're fighting a guy that doesn't know that style, he can get away with a lot of shit. If you're used to a guy who's fighting Muay Thai style with that light front leg and more of a closed-off stance, you can get away with that with a Muay Thai guy. But with a karate guy, he'll stand sideways. He'll stand sideways and throw those fucking front leg side kicks and you don't know what to do yeah like he throws them from way outside he's like a lot of these

muay thai style guys they're standing right in front of each other that's the thing forward backwards north south he's all over the place it's tough to train for man i've never heard of anybody describe a fighter like that yeah i mean have you ever heard of that before well i think scoggins probably told him that. You know, he probably had a conversation with him about the different ways he utilizes it. But have you heard that before? Have you heard? No.

I've never heard that before. But it makes sense if you see how good he is. He's so versatile. There's a lot of guys that switch, but they switch, they're playing the same shit. Yeah. That's the S factor in the main event. This guy has two different characters? Yeah.

Like, holy shit. Well, you know who else is, like, super versatile at being able to switch back and forth Connor Connor's a wizard damn Joey B. is looking good here I was gonna say

former Strikeforce champion just fought welterweight oh Safedine yes Tarek Safedine look what's fucking happening

Tarek Safedine is a wizard at going back and forth karate stage is so good is he a Dutch kickboxer or what is he no. Is he a Dutch kickboxer? What is he? No, not Dutch.

He is from... Germany. He's a German kickboxer. No, not from Germany. He's Turkish. Tarek, I think, is Turkish, right, Safedine? No, no. I want to say Belgium. Yes, he's from Brussels.

It's Belgium. That's correct. He's from Brussels. He's from where Van Damme is. Muscles from Brussels. Well, there you go. I fucking love me some Van Damme. And there you go.

I love me Van Damme. He's the reason I fought, man. I, there you go. I fucking love me some Van Damme. And there you go. I love me Van Damme. He's the reason I fought, man. I want to meet him. I've seen him a couple times. The Van Damme movie was brilliant. I've seen him a couple times in Venice. Have you seen that movie? And he's got tight jeans on always.

A beautiful butt. Got an apple ass. And a fanny pack, son. A bubble butt with a fanny pack. Back in the day wore a fanny pack. No, he still has one. He still rocks one. He lives in Marina del Rey.

I live in Marina Del Rey. I see him all the time driving. I don't want a super fanny pack. Now you're saying good shit about him. He's all over him now. I said before I wanted to meet him. We should have him on a companion. We should have him on a companion.

He's a great guy. I only wear silk underwear. He lives near here? Marina Del Rey. Marina Del Rey. That was huge. Marina Del Rey. Jean-Claude Van Damme on this show would be fucking amazing. When I come back.

Or terrible. When I decide to make my comeback against the Thai world champion. He's been talking about making a comeback for like 10 years. Did he actually fight? No. Listen to me. He was a dancer. If you want to see something that is amazing that no one talks about, you need to watch

the Jean-Claude Van Damme reality show Oh, I watch it fucking one About JBCD. It's so crazy It's a reality show reality show is insanity It's the best well, I think it aired in another country Where is it? Many times. I made my wife watch it with me. What's it on? I'm like, come, YouTube. I'm like, come watch how crazy people can be. It's the best. Well, I think it aired in another country. Showtime picked it up.

It might have aired. Showtime picked it up. That's awesome. What is revealed? It's ridiculous. He's amazing. He keeps talking about having this fight that he's been scheduling for years. No.

He's this Thai guy. No. He pays this Thai guy. Gives him a little scratch. My friend, come on, hugging. We're never fighting. We're never fighting. Don't touch my face. Don't this Thai guy. He pays this Thai guy. Gives him a little scratch. My friend, come on. Hugging. We're never fighting. Don't touch my face. And he pretends he's going to fight this guy and they fucking knuckle up. They have these press conferences. He goes, I've got to fight for the children. He's batshit crazy. He does this speech about having to fight for the children.

I'm done with the cocaine. I'm done with this. I'm done with the party. That motherfucker needs better friends. He's incredible. He needs better friends. What he does is he gets gacked. He gets gacked to the gills on coke, and he goes to parties with Russian oligarchs. They fly him out to Chechnya.

They fly him out to Chechnya. He goes to a fucking disco with a fucking champagne bottle in both hands, and he wakes up in the morning and feels bad. He feels bad that the children have done this to the children. I'm going to fight to show them. You gotta watch it. I still have it. You gotta watch it.

Dude, there goes Jay Z on the show. He's batshit crazy. He's batshit crazy. No, he will have it. He still loves me. Hey, how's he flying private? How's he fly private everywhere? He's a bad motherfucker.

He's got money and everybody made him. No. His movie was great. Yeah, a lot of money. That last movie was great. He made a bad motherfucker. He's got money and everybody made it. His movie was great. A lot of money. That last movie was great. He made a lot of money. That last movie probably made $8. It was amazing. $70. All those other movies that he made his whole life,

if he was just reasonably frugal, he has hundreds of millions of dollars. He's got a lot of money. Really? Oh my god. How much money did he make over his career? Time Cop, baby. That was blockbuster. How dare you? Time Cop? I remember when it was a blockbuster. How dare you? Time Cop? How dare you? Time Cop?

I remember when it was a blockbuster. I went to go see it on that Friday night and we had to get there early. Here's something you have to consider. He's Elvis in Eastern Europe. Here's something you have to consider. Ownership of the movies, sales of the movies. He existed back in the day where people bought DVDs. Oh, shit.

This is a good fight. McCoskey on top. He existed back in the day of blockbuster, back in the day where people would buy movies. Oh shit, this is a good fight. Makovsky on top. He existed back in the day of Blockbuster, back in the day where people would buy movies. So you get a percentage of that? You get a percentage of that. You get a percentage of it when they sell it to Showtime, HBO, Cinemax, TVS, all that shit. He got

a percentage of all that. I guarantee you he was producing, he was a part of the ownership of those films. He might have made an ungodly amount of money. Yeah. Brian, could you beat up John Crosby and Dan? How much do you make? I don't think anybody can beat up John Crosby. Hold on, hold on. Jamie. Good answer. Jamie. I'm seeing a lot

of information online, but something I just found said he is the top ten highest paid actors for 2016 with an estimated $82 million in combined earnings. Holy shit! But let's look at his overall earnings. He's still making money. He made 82 million last year?

Dude, I am telling you. No wonder he's doing coke. Sales. 245. $245 million lifetime. $245 million. I'm telling you. Dude, if you gave me 100 million, I'd do a little coke every now and then.

He still looks good. He still looks good. I saw him fly in private. I was like, oh, he's being stupid with his money. No, he's fine. No, he's balling. No, he's fine. Dude, he's balling. No, he's fine. Dude, he's Scrooge McDuck Rich.

He owns a football team and vodka. And perfume. He does? Yes. A lot of money in football, perfume, and vodka. No wonder he's still fighting. Jean-Claude Van Damme. He can get a guy $2 million.

Just save him. Vive Jean-Claude Van Damme. You bitches need to stay in your lane. Apparently. I love that guy. I love that guy. He's my hero. He's got so much money he could pay to get a fight where they can choreograph.

He's paying them to show up and choreograph the fight. They don't choreograph a fight, but they choreograph press conferences. He would fuck up everyone in this room. I think maybe he's thought about actually fighting about three or four times. But most of the time, what it is, is just getting together and saying that you're thinking about fighting. It's incredible. And you're going to schedule a fight, but I have movies to attend to. Did you ever see the deposition he did?

He blinded somebody in one of his movies with a wheel kick, and he had to do a deposition at a trial about how, look at him. Fuck, he's brilliant. Hey, who's better looking, him or Jolene? Oh, he's definitely not as good looking as Alan now. How dare you.

But back in the day. I'm saying now. Now. Prime, prime Jean-Claude Van Damme. In the day, he was really close. Yeah, let's not get crazy, though. He was really close. Jean-Claude Van Damme all day.

No, no, no. He ain't doing Versace. Fuck off. He's got a great body. I don't see none of that shit. Listen, there's no one better looking than Alan Joe Bann. They're just different. You don't get better looking.

You just don't. But he has a good body right there. McCoskey's on Benavidez's back. Oh, oh shit look at this meanwhile we don't have any idea who won if any of you fuckers try to say Right. When the decision comes out, we would do a worse job than, you know, name your least favorite judge. I don't need anybody's name. I got Benavidez ahead because he's- Oh, shut the fuck up. You know you right shoulder turned to the screen the entire time. I can feel it.

I can feel it. I can feel it. Do you have the jeans on? Put the jeans on, man. Right now. Take those sweats off. Put those jeans on right now, sir. I got Brian Callen a pair of the barbell jeans.

So props to barbell jeans. Eddie Bravo just took the second large glass of vino. This is not a large. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. How is this large? How is that large? Well, if you were in a fine restaurant. Dude, that's a double, son.

Come on, man. This would be like a kid's glass. He pours a slight sipping thing. This is a delicious wine, by the way. What is it? Let me tell you something about Callan. This motherfucker knows his wine. I've gone to dinner with him, and he gets in a conversation with this sommelier.

And he says, what do you have in a burgundy from 97? And the guy goes, oh, shit, this motherfucker's for real. Yeah, bitch. And then Callum will start talking about different grapes that are grown on different hill signs. And he'll explain. He'll explain some shit to the sommelier. We ate at this restaurant, and the sommelier was like, yes, correct.

That's correct. Correct, sir. He started talking about, oh, my god. I've got to work on your technique. Hold on. Your sidekick is... You've got to pick your knee up higher. I think Jean-Claude Van Damme wears those, too, though, for sure. I'm not stretched.

That's why. You have to put your knee up higher. They look good, baby. It has nothing to do with stretching. It's just... Hold on, Bobo. You just haven't thrown a sidekick in a while. It's a little rusty.

It's a little rusty, Bobo. Come on. You can do it. Are you going to put your socks on before you kick? People ask him all the time. Why do you want to put your socks on? Does that help your kicking? Yeah, always.

You're putting a shoe on. Oh, you like to kick with shoes on? Grip. When I street fight, I only... When I street fight, I take my shoes off. Do you still wear those shiny shoes so that you can throw roundhouse kicks quicker because you pivot? What?

If you have a shiny sole, like... That's terrible. It's not going to hurt. You got to pick your knee up. You have a shiny soul, that's terrible. It's not good. God. You've got to pick your knee up. You have a... No, see, it's not bad, but you have an inherent flaw in your technique that probably was never explained to you. This is what I do. For 49, though, it ain't bad.

That's pretty good. That's not right. Just pick your knee up. I wouldn't want to get hit by that. No. I wouldn't want to get hit by that. You'd get hit in the dick. Can you imagine? Yeah, if you got hit right in the shaft. That wouldn't want to get hit by that. I wouldn't want to get hit by that. You'd get hit in the dick. Yeah, if you got hit right in the shaft.

That's where you would get hit. Oh, shit. What's going on right now? Listen, Brian. Watch, watch, watch. Brian's throwing spinning kicks right now. Watch his side. Dude, it's wrong.

It's not good? No. Those genes are helping, though. Look, look, look, Joe. Are you being serious there? Are you being serious? Show me a real front leg side kick, for real. That's what I can do right now. Oh, bullshit. look, Joe. Hey, shoot! Are you being serious there? Are you being serious? Show me a real front leg sidekick, for real. The best I can do right now.

Oh, bullshit. Oh, bullshit. Well, just this from here? Yeah, just throw it. Let me see the spinning one, though. Show him the spinning one. My wheel kick? Yeah.

It's my favorite that he does. It's my favorite. Too old. Oh, how dare you? All you have to do different. All you're doing wrong. You're coming up. Your foot is going up from the ground like in almost like a half moon.

Yeah. You want to get your knee up higher. That's one of the cool things about those jeans. Way higher than that. That's one of the cool things about those jeans. Yeah, those jeans. These jeans that we're wearing, they're like sweatpants, man. No, no, no.

Don't throw the kick until your knee is up. Get your knee up first and then throw the kick. The problem is you're doing both at the same time. No, no, no. Don't throw the kick until your knee is up high. Lift your knee up way high past your waist and then throw the kick. Yes. Knee up first and then don't look over your stomach.

Look over your shoulder. Yeah, but knee first. Here, hold on. This is fucking hysterical. This hold on. This is fucking hysterical. This is ridiculous. This is so stupid. I can't keep doing this while I'm drunk. I can't watch it.

I can't watch. Are you getting this on video? My barber's got me pumped. I'm about to. Joe's gonna go off here. Dude, jeans on jeans on jeans. Lift up. Lift up.

Up here. Up here. Up here. You're so flexible. Fight companion. Now, now, now. From here, turn your shoulder to the right. Now, now, now. Dude, jeans on jeans on jeans. Lift up. Up here. Up here. You're so flexible.

Fight companion. From here, turn your shoulder to the right. Turn your shoulder to the right. To the right. Now extend. Extend. Extend. Straight.

Don't look over your stomach. Look over your shoulder. Like this. Like this. Like that. That's how you look. That's the end. That's the end.

I'm not flexible anymore. You are flexible. You're fine. Look. Right from here. Watch. Oh, son. Damn. Even in the air. Even're fine. Look, right from here. Watch. Oh, son. Damn.

Even in the air. Even in the air, fucking Chuck Norris is blushing. Lift your knee up and then kick. I still think Jean-Claude Van Damme beats the fuck out of both of you. Knee up first, then kick. Watch. One, two. Okay, ready?

I'm not mad at Joe's form at all. One. No. No, one and then two. One, up. All right. Up. Now twist.

Twist. That's it. No. Don't look over your stomach. I don't know what the fuck you want. I know Jean-Claude Van Damme would be proud. What are you doing with your shoulder? Look.

I'm throwing it up here. Yeah. I'm like this. Okay. I'm never like this. Look at Joe's ass when he throws the kick. Dude, I was just looking at it. Don't look at the foot. He has a set of honey. Don't look at the foot. I'm never like this. Look at Joe's ass when he throws the kick. Dude, I was just looking at it. Don't look at the foot.

He has a set of honey do's on him. Look right into the glutes. Look deeply into them. Dude, I'd love to see an actual taekwondo match between Callan and Rogan. I would just stare at their asses. Dude, my barbell chains make me a fucking monster. They're awesome, right? Yeah, well, you see my kicks. You, my barbell chains make me a fucking monster. They're awesome, right? Yeah.

Well, you see my kicks. You see my... I'm out of breath. It's just fundamentally a little off. Yeah. A little bit. It's been years. You get there.

But that thing is everybody fucks that up. Everybody fucks that up. It's the number one thing about the side kick that people get wrong. And it changes everything. If you learn to do it right, you learn to get that knee up high up high the power difference is fucking substantial is it too late to learn when you're 40 no 49 son no you just gotta do it right hey callan with rogan's help you could be the best dear diary today listen you just can't. It's up to you, bro.

Here's the thing. You don't just throw it. You have to throw it right or don't throw it. You can't be happy with the scoop. Never throw the scoop. I'm too happy with the scoop. Listen, the scoop doesn't exist. You can't do it.

Fuck your scoop, Cal. If I ever threw a kick like that, I'd be sick for a year. Just run. One year. I thought one year. Don't throw it wrong. What's wrong with Joe? He's still sick. He threw a bad side kick. Just run. One year. I thought one year. Don't throw it wrong. Which one was Joe? He's still sick?

He threw a bad sidekick. It looks like he won. It's not a bad sidekick. It's just you need to learn how to do it right. Your knee has to come up high, and then you can do it right. Once I showed you how to do it, you were doing it way better. I'll tell you right now. The last one was the best one.

I'll tell you right now. You throw that sidekick with Jean-Claude Van Damme in here, he's going to throw up. He's never coming back. No, dude. You've got to get better. I'm dangerous. I'll tell you right now. You throw that sidekick with Jean-Claude Van Damme in here, he's going to throw up. He's never coming back. No, dude. You've got to get better. I'm dangerous. I'm dangerous. It's real simple.

You either do it right or you don't do it. And that's the only way to get good technique. I'll be at your house at 5 a.m. tomorrow ready for my lesson. I'll tell you what. Go, go, go. You'll feel it. I'll pad you up like Justin. I put Justin Milos in pads.

I hope you pay him well. I pay him well. Well, that's why hitting a heavy bag is good. He's going to be like Freddie Roach about three years. I have leg pads on him. I have leg pads on him. I have a body pad on him. I don't kick him in the body, though. I only kick him in the thigh pads. But I fucked him up

with body shots. Like, body shots. You're so flexible. When a guy's wearing pads, it's so fun. What if it gets to the point where you're, like, paying dudes to not wear pads and shit. Just fucking dudes up. Let me fuck you up.

Don't hit me back. Don't hit me back. You don't think someone's done that? Of course. 100% done that. You know what I mean? And you just bring them in. Of course.

You just come in and you take a beating and they'll give you fucking $5,000. Time for the killing. Yeah, you can't do that. They become like- I know too much about brain damage. Yeah. Not to the body Head is extra Head is extra

Who knows what's going on With your liver 1500 for the ass Who knows what's going on With your liver When you get fucking like Oh my god Dos Anjos

Kick cowboy in the body And that knee to the body Dude you throw one of those Spinning heel kicks At someone's body Dude Yeah listen man I've seen

I've seen people get launched Across the fucking the floor from a turning side kick to the body they get launched is it a back kick somebody well there's a video of me on YouTube kicking a guy and he soars

there was a video of me doing that and they took it down because it's too dangerous I slew him like a dragon And they took it down because it's too dangerous. Makes sense. I slew him. Like a dragon? Yeah. Benavidez, son.

I told you guys. I called it. Love that guy. Oh, shit. He was right. I've slain a lot of guys. Dwayne Ludwig in his corner. A kick to the body is always painful because your leg is strong. Even if you have a half-ass kick, you throw a kick to the body, it's usually stronger

than most people's punches, unless you're like some Tumanov-type character. Also, your shoulder should take the kick around. But when you learn how to kick, and you kick good, a kick to the body is horrific. It's horrific. Especially if your shoulders... You should work on your kicking non-stop. Dedicate your life to kicking. That's all I'm doing. I cannot do the podcast.

Dedicate your life to kicking. I think you can afford to pay dudes so that you fucking hey it's not gonna kill them you get so rich you just pay it might kill them you gotta bring in

like 10 guys a session it might kill them the way Joe kicks dudes will only be able to last like 90 seconds tops with Joe Joe's gonna need

at least 8 guys he kicks hard dude he's gonna need 8 guys a day at 49 he kicks as hard as anybody at 50 bucks a pop oh sorry I have a few months.

That's $10,000 right there. You do kick harder. I've been around kicking for a long time. You kick harder than anybody. I can't believe I just said I've been around kicking a long time. Can you imagine how good that'll feel, dude, if you could do that? If you could just fucking lay him out? You know who kicks hard back in the day?

Who? And I was right next to him. Who? I watched Boss Rutten kick a bag. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Boss Rutten? How? Dude, it sounded like somebody was shooting a shotgun. I watched boss rooting Do it sound like somebody's shooting a shotgun you know who's the strongest strongest I've ever heard kick a bag result Pedro Hizzo Yep, Pedro his those leg kicks. They scared me more than anything. I've ever seen the widest hips

I've ever seen when I saw him kick the bag at Beverly Hills Jiu Jitsu I all I thought of is just would take one and I'd be over There's no way I would survive if you kick me once once in the leg, my shit would just give up. You know who had the hardest kick I've ever seen? Who? Shane Carlin. Really? He's a gorilla.

But he never threw him. He was always too tempted to throw him. He wasn't tempted to throw him in the fight because he thought heavyweights could counter. He fucked up so many guys' legs in the gym, they banned him from kicking. Oh, my God. He had to stop kicking. Well, that's a terrible idea. Why didn't they fucking pay people the money to go wear balloons yeah it's like carwin like didn't trevor whitman train him

why didn't trevor have him throwing kicks because trevor's a wicked kickboxing coach they would work on kicks all the time but then you would never throw it in sparring yeah and do it in fights man that's too bad his legs were so heavy like fuck up your acl carwin was a fucking freak specimen as far as his skeletal muscular structure. He had to spar him every day for how many years? I can't even imagine. I don't know how you get out of the car. Today I'm going to spar with that. He was stuck in Denver.

Not much to do. I either got to start rapping or play basketball or fucking spar Carwin. Did you wear a football helmet or something? I would never have done that. A football helmet wouldn't help. Probably wouldn't be a bigger thing for him to hit. Dude, I was living in Boulder, and I was training at a Mall Easton's, and this guy walked in, and we were in the middle of class, right?

We were going over drills, and I saw this guy walk in. I'm like, that's not even a real person. I'm like, that can't be a real person. Then I realized it was Carwin. He had this T-shirt on that looked like it probably was made for me. Dude. Right? He had his fucking arms were my thighs, essentially.

He looks like Juggernaut from X-Men. He was, at the time, I mean, he wasn't making, he had to make 265. So like Carwin. He was cutting weight. Yeah, he was cutting a little bit of weight. Shredded too. He was so big. Real quick, Misha Tate's hottest MMA fighter.

She's so hot to me. I agree. Hot set of one-two biddies on her. Oh, she's so hot. Well, the booty is just out of control. She's also awesome. She's just a nice person, too. She's sweet.

By far the hottest girl, I think, in MMA. She's also just, yeah, she's awesome in general. There's some fucking pretty decently hot ones now. There's one hotter than her, though. There's some girl that just started fighting in Bellator that looks really hot. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There was pictures of her on Instagram. I'll tell you what, Tiff Timebomb, I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers and kick me in the face. Rose is hot. Rose is hot as shit. Paige Van Zandt's hot. Yeah, I know. It's interesting, man.

Once Paige got her ass whooped like that, I'm like, ah, I'm off that train now. No, I'm just kidding. How dare you? I'm just kidding. How dare you? Come on, man. Rose is adorable. Tiff Timebomb.

No, Paige, I'm a Paige fan. Don't get me twisted. I'm a Paige fan. But still, Misha T man. Rose is adorable. Tiff time bomb. No, Paige, I'm a Paige fan. Don't get me twisted. I'm a Paige fan. But still, Misha Tate, pound for pound. Michelle Waterman is sick. Aren't you guys married? What the fuck? Hey, man.

Speak for yourself. Oh, boy. Sorry, guys. Sorry, guys. I'm a free agent, son. You're the voice of morality. Oh, really? That's okay.

I don't like seeing him run on to get punched like that. Well, enjoy this kick then, son. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, punched like that. Well, enjoy this kick then, son. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. They try everything in their power not to show that.

Like, fuck. No, they don't. They show that fucker all the time. That's in the loop now. You know the loop, the knockout loop that plays to Baba O'Reilly, the Who song? They put Ronda on the Baba O'Reilly. Oh, shit. Yep, you have to. Does Dana White know this?

Of course he does. He's a part of it. You fucked up. No. You fucked to. Does Dana White know this? Of course he does. He's a part of it. You fucked up. No. You fucked up. Brought it to light. Dana's going to listen to this, and that shit's going to be marked out. No, no, no, no.

Look at St. Preux. I didn't know he was doing this. Listen, Holly Holm is a fucking legit champion. He doesn't play favorites that much. He might have a love for Ronda as a person, but the bottom line is business is business. And Holly is the fucking champion, man. And with a spectacular result. You couldn't remove that spectacular.

Because that was the most spectacular result in the history of women's MMA in the UFC. Yeah, 100%. Oh, my God. Yeah. I want to see Holly on a private jet with Dana. What we're seeing now, Holly's having her first fight. It stirs trouble. What did this motherfucker say before the podcast started?

Let's not talk about Ronda. No, you got started. God damn it. You just dragged me into this. We're talking about the sport. He got sucked in. We're talking about the sport. He got sucked in.

Brian sucked me in. I sucked you in. Fuck you, Brian. I can't handle this on my low carb diet. He's about to go into ketosis. He's going into emotional ketosis. I think it's really easy. Meet Misha and Holly.

I think if Misha can't take Holly down, if Misha can't take Holly down, Holly's going to win. She's either going to decision her or she's going to knock her out. But if she can take her down, if she can take her down, I don't think Holly's jiu-jitsu is anywhere near Misha's. Misha can grapple.

Holly is stronger, more athletic. And she's going to light her up. Hey, Misha went three rounds. Hold on. Hit the brakes. Let's not say she's going to do this because we really don't know. I really have a problem when people do that. I said two things.

He did. He said she's going to light her up. Hey, I'm a layman. I'm a layman. I don't really think we people do that. I said two things. I said two things. He did. He said she's going to light her up. He said she's not going to be able to take her down and she's going to light her up. I don't really think we should say that. You don't think that's a fair assessment, Joe? I think it's disrespectful. Oh, I disagree. This is what I think. I think, honestly, I think Misha Tate is a better grappler. I think Misha Tate dominated Sarah

McMahon on the ground and flipped her over on her back and held her down, which is a giant accomplishment. Out-grappled her, out-ground her out, and showed some badass striking against Jessica. If I may strike. I dropped her with a punch, can strike. If I may. And also is not going to be ridiculous.

She's not going to charge. She's not going to be chin up, face first, tough it out. Right IQ's very high. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's disrespectful. I would never be disrespectful. You too, Dave. However, no, no, no. You're disrespectful.

I don't think it's disrespectful. You're disrespectful. No. Just 10 minutes ago. Hey, man. You're disrespectful, John Claude Van Damme, for sure. No, the genes haven, no. You disrespect. I don't think it's disrespectful. You disrespected Tyquan Doe just 10 minutes ago. Hey, man. You disrespected John Claude Van Damme for sure. No, the jeans haven't been worked out yet. Those jeans are like fucking yoga pants.

No, no, no. They need to be. These are new. The fibers are so tight. I put these on today. Damn. You broke them in. Look at how flexible you are.

I got them from the same package. I'm getting turned on. Please don't. Listen, listen. They come from the same box. These are new. No, these are new. No, these are new. No, I got to, hold on.

Yeah, now they're broken up. You still have the tag on them. No, because I haven't. They still have the tag on them. I don't know about that. Those look very broken down. I think you're lying to me. I just got them.

No, you put them on that machine you bought. I just got them. You put them on that jean machine. Just bought them. Listen. I didn't buy them. They sent them to me for free. I don't think it's disrespectful to say that one of the greatest strikers, the greatest

striker ever in MMA, the greatest striker ever in MMA the greatest striker ever for women in MMA Ioana Ioana and Jacek I would say Holly Holly, Ioana Holly and Ioana to say that she would light anybody up

for KO power but to say that Holly would light up anybody is not disrespectful, it's a compliment to Holly. It's not a diss to Misha. No, you were saying she's going to light her up. I believe that. And that's not being disrespectful. It might happen, or Misha might take her to the ground and be able to dominate her from there.

Good luck taking her down. Her takedown defense is awesome. It is. She's never been taken down before. She's super strong. She might not be able to get taken down. She's never been taken down before. But if she can, if Misha can take her down, I think Misha's going to...

If she can take her down, she's going to be all over on the ground. All I know is Misha's first team all cutie. We don't know because it's really a mystery. We haven't seen Holly on the ground really. Well, I do know one thing. Except for those brief moments with Ronda where she got out of Ronda's armbar attempt and where she took Ronda down. She took Ronda down.

That's all we know. As far as you might have some inside information from gyms, from people who trained with her. I know this. I think it's a tougher matchup stylistic-wise for Holly than Ronda. Well, what do you know? Well, I know that she's not obsessed with jiu-jitsu. She's one of those.

And there's a lot of MMA fighters like that. I could just rattle names off left and right. There's a lot of guys that just want to stand and bang and work their wrestling and work to get up. They don't want to fucking learn jiu-jitsu. There's so many. They're still around. They don't want to work on their back. They just want to beat the shit out of people, take them fucking down,

get on top, or not even fucking take them down. Just stay and bang and work on their takedown defense. If they get taken down, work on getting back up. That's savagery. That's barbarianism. Are you saying that's Holly? That's like Robbie Lawler. That's a lot of guys like that. And I hear

Holly is one of those guys. She just wants to stay in and bang one of those girls. She's one of those fighters. It's not obsessed. And what those fighters all have in common, they're generally not known to have dangerous weapons off their back. And they usually sometimes get them. She gets the fuck up and kicks bitches in the face.

Yeah. Especially in women's division. Whose jiu-jitsu does she have to worry about in the women's division? Holly is a champion for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whose jiu-jitsu does she have to worry about in the women's division? Yeah. Holly is a champion for a long time. She works on takedown defense a lot, and she works on getting back up a lot. That's what I hear. And kicking. That's what Misha can get through that.

Isn't there a lesson to be learned that MMA math doesn't really work, and that styles really match up weird sometimes? And this might be a case. Like the Misha Tate fight versus Holly Holm fight, I think is a very tough fight. Really tough fight. Misha's sneaky. She's sneaky and she's tough. She versus Holly Holm fight I think is a very tough fight. Really tough fight. Misha's sneaky. She's sneaky and she's tough. She does a lot of good.

She's got a lot of good skills. She's got good skills standing. She's a grinder, too. She fights with her fucking hands up high. She doesn't rush in and take crazy chances and she can pop.

She dropped Jessica I with a really good right hand. She's super game, too, man. She's game as fuck. She's a grinder. She's great in the transitions. She's really good transitions. And like Holly, she's lost and been beaten up before.

She got beat up by Kat Zingano. She's been to the mountain. She came back stronger. 100%. That coming back stronger is big. Because she came back and beat Jessica Ai and Sarah McMahon. I thought showing more determination, showing more grit. Her back was against the wall after losing that fight to Kat. And she came back stronger.

Yeah, I agree. But from what I've seen, from what I've seen with my eye, whether I'm right or not, it looks like Holly not only is a higher level striker, I think Holly, just from what I've seen, has much more snap and speed. No question. Yeah. No question. She's just so much faster.

She's a 19-time world boxing champion. That's so significant. Misha's record is way better in MMA than Holly's. Well, here's the thing, though. In boxing- Holly's been mainly a striker And not an MMA person Her boxing is unquestionably better She's arguably got the best

Striking credentials ever In the history of the women's division 19 time world boxing champion The only one who comes close is Joanna Because she's 6 time world Muay Thai champion When it comes to actual champions But Misha can grapple She can clinch, she can avoid striking, and she doesn't necessarily have to kickbox with her.

So it becomes a very different proposition. So if they went kickboxing to kickboxing, yes. If they had an MMA kickboxing match, which is what essentially the Ronda fight was, except for two brief moments. If they went kickboxing, yeah, Holly's going to fuck her up. But in MMA, Misha's fucking smart. She's sneaky. She knows a lot of shit, and she's been there before.

And she's tough. And she knows she's tough. Sure. She knows she can grind it out in a grueling brawl. Yes. And she has a real shot. I agree. She's got a real shot.

See, I think Misha, she's never going to beat Ronda, but Misha can beat Holly to be champion. I just think stylistic-wise, it's a much better matchup. But Holly's lateral movement, we won't know until they lock up. I'm just saying from what I know in mixed martial arts, I think stylistic-wise, Misha has a way better chance beating Holly than she does Ronda. Also, there's a big difference between someone who is fighting off the back leg as a counter person which Holly is just ridiculously good at her counters her timing was fucking spectacular but Rhonda was presenting a predictable target there was a lot of right for there's a lot of aggression all she knows Holly had to do so all Holly had to do is be

patient you find the right footwork and catch her coming in cuz she knew she was coming in right it was an exercise in moving back and countering. She knew exactly what she was preparing for. Misha's not going to do that. Misha comes forward, though. But if you remember, there was a few fighters, most notably Patrick Cote that fought Anderson Silva, and he didn't lead.

And when he didn't lead, Anderson did not look nearly as good. It was a horrible fight. It was a horrible fight because Cote has an iron jaw, he's got knockout power, and he's smart. So what does he do? He knows that Anderson is a wizard at countering. So he's not his predictable, usual, aggressive self. I don't think those two girls are on the same level as that.

No, they're not on the same level. Holly is. Holly's on a very high level for women. For women, no one's been on a higher level striking-wise. I think Mieschel's going to afford to get an underhook and try to grind her out of the cage. Yeah, but what surprised me... She might not be able to. Right.

This is what we're going to find out. What surprised me about me... Holly's going to make her kick that touch. I think Holly is so much stronger. I was amazed at how... She looked so much stronger than Ronda. Ronda's strong as shit. And it felt like Holly was...

This fight ain't going to go by the first round, by the way. And she's going to be stronger than Mijer. This fight's out of the first round. Half-Hell. This one ends early. Yeah, by the way. And she's going to be stronger than me. This fight's out of the first round. This one ends early. Yeah, Feijal. Feijal's looked like doo-doo lately. Well, he's had some rough fights, man.

Patrick Cummings really beat him down last round. That was in Brazil. That was a crazy fight, man. OC's a motherfucker if he's in the first round. He's a super athlete, man. And that powerful left kick. Sick. He's got a nasty left kick. He's a dude that just keeps getting better, too

If you can get him down if you can get him down you can win the fight He try out for the NFL a bunch of times. Nope. I thought he did. Nope He just played at University of Tennessee and then went straight to He's a serious athlete man. Yeah, maybe went to combine some be not not the NFL combine But he really no he didn't get tryouts with the NFL. When he knocked out Shogun with that step away left hook, he let everybody know what's up.

There's a big message. Oh, they're doing Shogun Rashad again, right? No, Shogun... Yes. Who's Liotta fighting? Dan Henderson. Thanks for nothing. That's a weird fight. Thanks for nothing on both of those. How dare you. Thanks for nothing. You wouldn't weird fight. Thanks for nothing on both of those. How dare you.

Thanks for nothing. You wouldn't watch that? Nah. Ten years ago I would. Okay. I will absolutely watch Liotto and Dan Henderson. Oh, you're crunk for it? You're like crunk for it?

I am always crunk for a Liotto fight. Because Liotto, just a year and a half ago, knocked out Mark Munoz with that wicked left head kick. Dude, Liotto's one of my favorite people on the planet. I'm just saying. Dan Henderson's old. Can we give him something else? Well, Dan Henderson has a bunch of fights left in his contract, and I think he still

thinks that he can do it. And you've got to let a guy like that... He deserves the right. Yeah. Two unsuccessful attempts at professional football. So there it goes. You were right, Brian. Doesn't say NFL, though, does it?

Well, I would imagine it's... Oh, no. No, no, no. It could be CFL. It's not Italian soccer. It would say NFL. You're probably right. It could't say NFL, though, does it? Well, I would imagine it's... Oh, no. No, no, no. It could be CFL. It's not Italian soccer. You would say NFL. You could be CFL, AFL. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. There's a ton. Brendan Shaw, former NFL player with fucking logic. Maybe we should listen. I know. Maybe we should listen. He played football for 20 years, but it's whatever. Who's hurt?

Who got hurt? Ovens. Really? He kicked him and he fucked his leg up. He's limping. Oh, no. Really? He kicked him and fucked up. Where did he kick him? up. He's limping. Oh, no. Really? He kicked him and fucked up.

Where did he kick him? I need to see it again. Oh, he's fucked up. The top leg's fucked up. Look at his leg. Oh, yeah. He's limping. He might have hurt his knee or something.

OSB's thing, man, is his training camp, his team. I have no idea who he's training. Yeah, his left leg is real wobbly, man. He changed. He went to Southpaw. Did you see what happened, Eddie? Well, this is orthodox. Orthodox. Did you see what happened, Eddie? Well, this is orthodox. Orthodox.

Did you see what happened, Eddie? He kicked a homeboy and hurt his leg kicking him. Oh, like shin to shin? Something happened like that. He's back to... Ooh! Yeah, he's took it again. He's not moving so good on it.

Fajal saw that. Well, it's the wrong leg. He's not moving at all. Fajal just attacked the right leg. You talking about the left leg? No, I think he... I think I'm talking about the right. Is his right leg hurt?

I forget. He switched us... Yeah. He started out in southpaw and now he switched because his leg's fucked up. So he's kicking with the fucked up leg as his supporting leg? His right leg is bunched up. He's super fucked up. His right leg is bunched.

Oh, that's weird. Yeah, he got his knee messed up. Isn't it weird just to try to see a guy try to hide that shit? Yeah. You know who was the best I've ever seen in it? Uriah Hall. Uriah Hall had his foot fucked up so bad that his toe was hanging off. And he came back to his corner.

Oh, it's going out to me again. We got a camera on it so we could get a look at it. I remember that. His foot was completely fucked up. Like his toe, the bone was sticking out of his toe. Do you remember John Jones? Remember John Jones? That was after the fight.

That was after it was over. Uriah, what I'm saying is he went back to his corner, like barely could walk. And then when the round started, that motherfucker completely ignored it. He was throwing kicks with it. His fucking toe was hanging off, and he's throwing wheel kicks with it. Yeah, there's his toe. Like, you see how fucked up it is. It was broken off to the right, and the bone was coming out.

Like, I could see the bone when I was in there. Uriah Hall is a bad motherfucker. He is a bad motherfucker. What's going on? He hasn't fought in a while, huh? Well, he lost to Gegard, remember?

No, he beat Gegard. He beat Gegard then he lost to Whitaker. I'm sorry. Who did he lose to? He lost to Whitaker. Fischel's being very,

very careful here, huh? The fight with Gegard was a spectacular victory for him. Amazing. And Gegard still ranked higher than him. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense to me. Gegard's fighting Thales Leidy, huh? The fight with Gegard was a spectacular victory for him. What am I talking about? Amazing. And Gegard still ranked higher than him. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Gegard's fighting Thales Leites, right? Yeah. Thales Leites. I haven't seen Thales Leites in a while. Thales Leites is another one who fought very smart against Anderson Silva. He's another one that went five rounds with Anderson. Oh, oh, oh. Look at this.

Look at this. They're swinging, son. Oh, my goodness. Oh, you had him. Wow. Fajal, you had him. Look at that. Look.

Oh, shit. It looks like he can throw some elbows from the guard. And Oven St. Pr, you had him. Wow. Fajal, you had him. Look at that. Look. Oh, shit. It looks like he can throw some elbows from the guard. And Oven St. Poo's on top right now with Fajal in his guard. Dude. It looks like he's got good left elbows in the guard. One thing about a guy like Fajal, though, is that Fajal's a really good striker. And really good strikers are hard to ground and pound. Because they don't panic.

They don't lock up. They relax. They get used to getting hit. They know how to roll with things and they know what's coming. Their IQ as far as striking like where the right hand's coming, where the left hand's coming, what position you're in to put

real torque behind something. You rarely catch them clean. See how clever he's moving when he's off his back? Didn't Fajal fight Anderson back in the day? No, he fought King Moan, knocked him out in Strikeforce to win the title. He's a bad motherfucker. Yeah.

But, you know, Feijiao. He's had a tough stint in the UFC. Yeah, he's had some ups and downs. He might have gotten the UFC, like, a little later in his career. You know, it would be a little late for, like, him at his best effort. Ouch, his knees. Should they be massaging his knee right now? Do something. No, I don't know what's wrong with it. I mean. ouch his knees should they be massaging his knee right now do something

no I don't know what's wrong with it I mean could it have been a charley horse we know that it's ashy as fuck it's completely dependent upon I've never seen him put ice on his feet I feel like it's a bad idea to put ice before you go out there yeah it might be

bring the inflammation down that's what did it oh he might have broke his foot when Oh, that's what did it. Oh, he might have broke his foot when he threw that leg kick. Oh, it was his kick. Yeah. He might have blew his knee out or blew his foot out or something. Yeah, he fucked his knee up, I think. Yeah.

Damn, man. That's too bad. Yeah, yeah, he's having a hard time on it. See how it's kind of wobbly? Yeah, he's got to get that win. But it's just interesting. You know, like little variations in someone's gait. You can see it.

Oh, look at him. This is why I think I'm so excited about what's going on right now with MMA, with guys working on this crazy footwork, like the Dwayne Ludwig camp with the TJ Dillashaw-style footwork, Dominic Cruz's footwork, Conor McGregor's footwork. Oh, motion coach shit. Movement coaches. Yeah.

He goes, hey man, you have any movement coach in LA? I text him back, fuck you. That's taken at it. I don't deal with that bullshit. Whoever you're looking for, tell them to go to the gym. Fuck you. He started laughing.

That is so funny. Fuck you. If you're an MMA fan, you understand why that's so funny, because I'm guilty of it as much as anybody, but I can't shut the fuck up about movement coaches. God, your ball's deep in it. Ball's deep. I had the move-nac guy. Fuck you. Hey, bro.

The move-nac guy. How about Carlos Coddick's movement coach? He was great. Oh, what's your background? As a kid, I climbed on trees and played with rocks. That's like me going, oh, I'm Arctic. Oh, yeah? What's your degree? I played with Legos as a kid. Yeah, it would have been with rocks. That's like me going, I'm Arctic. Oh, yeah? What's your degree?

I played with Legos as a kid. Yeah, it would have been nice if he had a more detailed background. A zero. A zero. But I think he knows a lot. Nah, not really. Look it up. Let's be real about it.

I think he knows a lot about movement, appropriate reception, some of the things he was talking about, about balance and coordination. It didn't look like it in Carlos' fight. Listen, man, I think he won that fight anyways, but I don't think he moved too well. I think he's only been working with him for a short amount of time, and you know as much as I do that new things you're going to incorporate into high-level cage fighting, it takes a long time to really apply them. Yeah, let's not climb on logs. Maybe go to the gym and grapple or something, huh? Let's not climb on logs. That guy had a ponytail grapple or something huh let's not climb on logs that guy had a ponytail on I was like get the fuck out of here they all looked like someone on the underground said this I'm stealing their line they all looked like Jesus they all have ponytails whoever it is that did that tweet me so I can give them credit

they all have ponytails my the fit you know what's your background degrees he went nah man I just like climbed on rocks as a kid and climbed some trees. As soon as I heard that one, as soon as I heard that one, I'm turning this shit off. I'm going to turn this off. I was confused still, even at the end, how they sort of designed their protocol. I mean, how he designs

what they're going to do that day. Get the fuck out of my face, son! It was such bullshit. Connor's a freak. Move all you want. Move all you want. For everyone else, stay the fuck in the gym and work on your sport. But how can you say this if you haven't done it? I honestly believe.

Hey, man. Unless you've done it, you wouldn't know. Like, okay, here's a perfect example. You're doing yoga now. Would you not have thought that that shit was for housewives before you ever did it? Nah, son, I like that shit. I like the relax movement. I don't go to yoga to be like, listen, I'm going to be

an Andre Orlovsky. Let me go do some hot yoga. Listen, I'm not talking about why you as an experienced yoga person goes to yoga. I'm talking about your prejudice against yoga before you ever did yoga.

What was it? I didn't have any. I did. I'm open-minded. Bullshit. I swear. How dare you? I came in there

with a fucking green shirt over. Look at his chakras. His chakras are so aligned. Show us your root chakra. You never thought. You didn't think that. Your root chakra. You didn't think that it was way easier than it turned out to be?

Way easier or way harder? But is it movement like yoga? Well, you didn't think. Your perception of it was that it was way easier than it actually was. It was harder, but in the middle of training camp, I'm like, thank God for Mrs. Downs and this yoga. Otherwise, I wouldn't move as good. But there's a lot of movement in training, right?

I mean, jabbing and moving. You're chock full of movement in training camp. Don't they have a lot of yoga movements and movement? Yes. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of movement in yoga. Very similar. There's a lot of balance in yoga. Hey, bro, I need to see a degree.

I need to see some sort of scientific backing. Hold on a second there, because there's people that don't get degrees. How about the Gymnastica Natural that Hickson Gracie attributes to a lot of his flexibility and movement? Before these movement coaches, this is what people need to understand. Back in the fucking early 90s, Hickson was like a guy, he was like Candyman. You didn't want to say his name three times. He'll show up on your fucking doorstep and strangle you. It's true.

Dude, he was the motherfucker of motherfuckers. Slow his heartbeat down, all that stuff. He was a yogi. He's a legit yogi. And he was a movement guy. That gymnastic natural is all movement. Exactly. It was both. He applied

like fire breath. Like all that pranayama. That's why he's a legend. But you can also add in that he did 40 years of Jiu Jitsu. That's why he stood out from all the Gracies. He stood out. Hicks and Gracie. All of them.

Because he did the movement. All of them. He stood out because his physicality. That's what a detective would Hicks and Gracie, all of them will tell you. Because he did the movement. All of them. Yes. Well, that's one of the factors. That's the science. His physicality. That's what a detective would say. Uh-oh, maybe it had something to do with that. Yeah, but hear what you're saying here, too. Yes.

They're not mutually exclusive. Have an open mind, Brendan. Have an open mind. They're not mutually exclusive. Hickson, the reason why he was the greatest ever was because he was the perfect storm. He was the guy who was super smart. He was super tough. He had a warrior mentality, and he was intelligent enough

to apply a bunch of really unconventional training modalities, like some serious yoga. That fucking video of him on the bars in Santa Monica before he fought in Japan, Valley Tudor. He's doing balance beam shit, going to a full split, standing there on this fucking bar on the beach. He's doing all these ring works.

I'm not saying the movement doesn't work. It was both. Do you say it doesn't help? Like if a guy said he's been doing movement, a guy comes into your gym, a guy comes into your gym and he's been doing movement. I'm saying if I'm a young MMA fighter in the UFC, on my list of priorities to become a UFC champion,

hiring a movement coach who his background is climbing on rocks and climbing trees. You're not the guy I'm going to fucking hire. You are correct. You are correct. Okay, but what about the Edo Portal guy? Yeah, now he's a god. Don't diss him because I'll come at you. I will fuck you up.

He's a god again. If you say anything, I will sidekick the fuck out of you. I don't know what Erwan LaCour can do, but I know he has the respect of Carlos Condit, so he's got my respect. I enjoy talking to him. I enjoy talking to him, and I know he has the respect of Carlos Condit, so he's got my respect. I love Carlos. I saw him in. I enjoy talking to him, and I think he knows a lot. So I disagree with you on that. But I don't know if he can do what that Ido Portal guy can do.

But we're talking about mindset. That guy moves like an anime. I agree. It's insane. He moves like he's not real. Joe, all I'm saying is if you're going to dedicate your time to something, I don't know if that's the way to go. Here's why I'm not sure you're right. Guys like Rich Martinez, we brought this up before.

He was a fantastic break dancer. And the ability to manipulate his body, standing on one hand, doing the fucking full lotus, all the crazy shit that he could do, directly translated to him almost immediately being a bad motherfucker in jiu-jitsu. Directly. Ridiculously, and not just athletic, but the dexterity

of his movement. One language informs the other. No, you're wrong man, you're wrong. Breakdancing's movement. One language is but dancing is movement. This is why I'm saying you're wrong. It's all good if it works and helps you. Sign up for salsa classes. It's all movement. It's all helps you. Sign up for salsa classes. It's all

movement. It's all footwork. Don't you remember when football players were taking ballet? Yes. I did it. Did you? Yes. Then why are you talking shit on salsa? But why did you take ballet? Something to do. Why else did you take ballet? You took ballet. You took ballet.

And to get this ham hock and these tights and pussy what's up. Check this out, ladies. Did you have to wear yoga pants and shit? Yeah, you had to wear the full... Did you wear those shoes? You gotta wear a dance belt and these shoes. I did ballet for two years.

What? How do you have time to do all these things? Theater school. Why are you not 90? Theater school, sorry. All this shit you've done for five years. I lived in the woods studying mushrooms in Bali. Theater school.

Acting school In acting school You have to take ballet Acting school You must take ballet And you have to perform And put on performances Someone's trying to fuck you

Okay That's like going to painting school And learning how to like Play video games They're not related Let me tell you something right now And I'm being dead serious I was a beautiful dancer

I bet I bet you were Dude we did ballet. Well, you used to do that video. That video you did was just hilarious of, not unconventional dancer. What was the name of it? What the fuck was that video that you did? That where I was a gimp?

No, you had this crazy dance video that you made. I can't remember. God damn it. It was hilarious. You said, ah, I just did this thing. Take a look at it. I remember I took it home. It was back when people actually had DVDs. Yes. And it was Brian dancing. What the fuck? It wasn't unconventional dancer. it. I remember I took it home was back when people that actually had DVDs

Yes, and it's Brian dancing Wasn't unconventional. I can't remember what it was called word unconventional like you know fuck unorthodox dancer. No no no no inappropriate dance Yes, I think was it appropriate It was a sketch that he did it was ridiculous It was ridiculous a guy just like it's okay to dance on a dance floor agree, right? We all agree can we see you step into this arena and you're on the hardwoods all we agree You're allowed to get ridiculous, but you can't do that shit when you're waiting in line to rent a car Was that way thanks, I can remember I just remember there was some inappropriate dance

Yeah, when I slapped the game when I slapped that Bob thing I would jump out that sounds hilarious I did all kinds of weird stuff like that. Dude, we were doing ballet, and then about two days into it, someone's like, we should probably go catch some footballs. Yeah, no shit. No shit. And that's where all this movement and dancing stuff. But one language informs the other.

Don't you think lunges are, essentially, in a lot of ways, especially dumbbell lunges, are very much a movement exercise? Because it's all about balance and rigidity and keeping your core straight. There's something about double dumbbell lunges, things along those lines. They help you. Gizzo balls? Yeah. Gizzo balls?

No, heavy stuff. Yeah. If you're going to apply an explosive movement to a martial art, there's no doubt about lifting weights helps, right? No doubt about it. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. Like lifting weights, if there was no weight restrictions, you could do whatever you wanted and lift as much weight as you wanted.

There's a big difference between 170 and 200. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's just a big difference. You get like way stronger. If you get way more explosive, it's beneficial in an applied situation, right? Agreed. That's movement. Yeah.

It's not much different. It's like you're talking about movement with weights or movement with Muay Thai. There's a lot of people that say training in Muay Thai has helped their jiu-jitsu. I believe it. It makes sense. When you think about the kind of shit

you have to do, the explosions you have to do in Muay Thai, that's movement too. I would also say, I would avoid Cummings with gymnastics. I got a movement for him. I did gymnastics too. What leads one person like with Hickson what leads him into the other

disciplines is that mindset that that comprehensive mindset. That open mindset. To constantly get better. Yes. His foundation is so fucking good. Insane, but also he was a student of the great Japanese samurai. Yes. Correct. Their philosophy. So I'm sure he read the Book of Five Rings. And one of the things about the Book of Five Rings, and it emphasized, was like taking in all sorts of different, be soft, like taking calligraphy,

do painting. Sure. Because. Stay flexible. And the reason for that, if you look at any great innovator, they started with one discipline, they started with one discipline,

and then when they studied other disciplines, they were able to appropriate those disciplines and come up with a new style. You don't revolutionize a new style by studying that style. You branch out. A young Hickson might beat Alan Joban. A young Hickson? Oh, yeah, yeah. Handsome as shit.

What? Come on. Handsome as shit. He's from the jungle, essentially. He's from South America. A 19-year-old Hickson? Can you imagine? Can you imagine?

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Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Let's not bring up specific incidents. I think your jiu-jitsu helps your music, and I think your music helps your jiu-jitsu. And I think as your jiu-jitsu's gotten better, your music's gotten better, and as your music's gotten better, your jiu-jitsu's gotten better. And I think if you had a movement coach... I think they're all... If you had a movement coach, you'd be red hot chili peppers. You're right, though.

When you get great at things, especially you, specifically, you're a guy who... One of the best things about you creating 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, ever since I've known you, if you have an idea in your mind, like there's a point you have to get to, like okay, there's a spot over there you've got to get to, you have this crazy tunnel vision, well you'll figure out unconventional paths to get to a point. You can block out a lot of external shit that a lot of other people don't,

they can't block out, they can't tune into the finish line the way you can. It's really interesting to see, because I think that applies to your music as well. I think it applies to everything you do. And I think it comes, for a lot of us, I think it comes from some fucked up place where you didn't get enough when you were a child. Enough attention or what?

Anything. Love, attention, praise, friendship anything love attention uh praise friendship also changing also what's really important is like i said this to him the other day i go dude you know he says don't spar you know why i spar because it terrifies me no i'm not good at sparring how did you turn this into you when i was talking about it i'm trying to explain to no no what i'm saying is that no listen listen listen no no this is the point i'm making listen when you do something that you're afraid of or that makes you uncomfortable, I end up writing.

I think when you do another discipline that maybe you're not even good at that scares you, it'll open up channels in your original discipline. It'll jumble your brain so you come at things in a different way. If you stay comfortable in stuff, you're most likely, if you're in a creative field, it's harder to branch out and become more creative. If you do things you're not that good at, that maybe you're scared of, that cause you to stretch in other areas, and this is the argument for movement coaches, when you do things you're not that good at to step out of your comfort zone, you'll probably get better at your original discipline. You better be good at everything else before you hire a movement coach. Yeah, that's true.

With that being said, being open-minded, I think the four of us should get a timeshare. Fuck it, eh? Where? Just four dudes. I don't know. Where at?

Let's do it. How much fun would we have? That's what I'm saying. Jesus Christ. Be open-minded. We have to do a podcast every day. Listen, after all of our chicks get sick of our bullshit, let's just get a fat house in the hills and do this.

And have a movement coach every day. We just have a big house with four branches where we don't have to necessarily hear each other. We just meet in the kitchen. You know what I'm saying? And just live like men. Don't live like these bitches that we've become trapped in this world. This is when we get to be free. We could be free like this all the time.

That's what I'm saying. Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart. Freedom! That's what I'm saying. Ah! That's what I'm saying. Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart. Freedom! That's what I'm saying. Oven St. Pew. Pew. Pew. Fuck yeah.

Oven's in the house. Good dude. With a broke foot. Whip some ass. I wonder what the actual injury was. OSP baby. Probably just a sprain.

He looks like he's walking okay. Yeah he looks like he's walking okay. He's a tough one. Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva. What do you think of that fight? I got the shame.

It's a very good fight at this time in both their careers. It becomes interesting. Whereas, like, Anderson, when he was dominating, when he was, like, right after he smashed Chael Sonnen in the second fight, you would think, like, ooh, that's a tough fight for Bisping. Anderson's just in the matrix. Super tough fight. But Anderson comes off of, you know, like, psychologically,

there's two brutal losses in a row. One a loss for sure, one a catastrophic injury. Then he just gets by Nick Diaz, but he gets humiliated. Like Nick Diaz lies on his back and puts his hands on his head and mocks him. He's talking to him. He's calling him a bitch. Dude, Nick Diaz was super respectful right up until the moment they got in that cage And then he was Nick Diaz

Yes, it was back on It's like that old fable about the scorpion and the frog The frog wants to get across the pond And the scorpion says Or the scorpion wants to get across the pond And the frog is in the water And the scorpion says, let me ride on your back And the frog says, I won't do that

If I do that, you'll sting me. He goes, well, if I did that, we would both die. I'm not stupid. So the scorpion rides on the frog's back, and halfway across the water, he stings him. And the frog's like, what the fuck? And the scorpion's like, sorry, it's in my nature. Yeah. Damn, what kind of childhood stories did you have?

I've never heard this one. That's a famous story. He knows that one. They also use it in connection with when he stings him and the guy What's that? You guys are 50. I don't know

the scorpion and the frog. That's a great allegory. Well, the little red riding hood works upon a time when you put your food in a basket. You sent your children

in the woods and you legitimately had to worry about them getting eaten by wolves. What was the moral of that story? The moral of the story is this. It's vegans are retarded.

That's the story. These motherfuckers want wolves everywhere. We don't have streets. Because stay the fuck out of the woods. Stay out of the woods. Stay out of the woods. There's a fucking wolf out there. Wolves will eat you.

Yes. Wolves used to eat people. And don't trust strangers, actually. Well, also, definitely for sure, because the person inside the house had pretended to be his grandmother. But the reason why there were always wolves, whether it was Little Red Riding Hood or Three Little Pigs, it was always wolves. It's because wolves legitimately ate a lot of fucking people. And people seem to have forgot about that now. Where all these assholes are like, we need to bring back the wolf.

We need to make sure the wolves are... Wolves will kill everyone you know. And they don't eat what they kill. They eat some of what they kill. Oh my God, wolves are so prey-driven that they will kill whole herds of elk and not eat half the meat. I'll slap the fuck out of them.

But German fairy tales like Hansel and Gretel, what happens? A lady, an old lady, takes them and she's a witch. She puts them in a cage and starts feeding them to what? Plump them up so she can eat them. Yeah.

Moral of the story, don't trust even old ladies. The Germans are like, you're a stranger. Sorry. Well, also, let's be honest about like a long time ago, a thousand years ago in rural areas where food was scarce and people had suffered through a lifetime. You weren't going to survive the winter. areas where food was scarce and people had suffered through a lifetime. You weren't going to survive the winter. Abuse and chaos and seeing murders and seeing assaults and rape and constant, just the programming of a person. How much cannibalism was going on back then?

A lot. A lot. According to Steve Rinella, like in this country, I mean, Steve- Really? We were talking about the other day with the Native Americans and Nez Perce. Steve Rinella has the best Native American stories. He does. He's a legit scholar almost.

I mean, I don't think he would call himself that, but he's incredibly knowledgeable about Native American history. And like what the Nez Perce Indians did in the Great Lakes area. They would eat each other. There's a lot of cannibalism, man. A lot. They'd file their teeth down. What if that was a crazy guy writing the history? No. Even back then, the history was bullshit. There's a lot of cannibalism, man. A lot. They file their teeth down. What if that was a crazy guy writing the history? No.

Even back then, the history was bullshit. There's a lot of documented evidence. What if that all was like, yeah, we got this from an Indian. They were cannibals, so we have to kill them all. That's not true. Because they're cannibals. Look, we got stories. By the way, Eddie Bravo might be onto something.

We got stories. They eat each other. They're going to eat you. Meanwhile, they're all hippies. Meanwhile, they're hippies. They were human beings just like all of us. They were human beings just like all of us. They were human beings just like all of us. They weren't any more noble.

They were no more noble than anybody else. They were good people and bad people. They were just as violent as, hey, the most violent people arguably could be white people. Look what the Germans did. Fucking white people, man. Well, I think also when you're dealing with people in the Great Lakes states. Speaking of white people, fucking white people. That's a horrific knockout, man. I've seen that.

The Roy Nelson Minotauro knockout. But, you know, those people are living in a horrible, horrible climate. Like the Great Lakes before the invention of heat. Oh, it must have been so fun. Yeah. No cars. Got to eat each other. Yeah, I mean, people got desperado.

Like, you know, we know about the Donner Party in Colorado. They got trapped in the mountains. They had to eat each other. That shit probably happened all the time in the Great Lakes. They just didn't talk about it. You're talking about 15 below zero recently, right? I wonder what part you eat first. Part of the legs or ass.

Just go right to the asshole. Get the worst part out of the way. Asshole first? For you, I take the chest. I eat your chest. I just say, listen, worst case scenario, I'm eating someone's asshole. I'm going to scoop it out with a sharp spoon. That's the last thing you eat. I'm going to file a out with a sharp spoon. That's the last thing you eat.

I'm going to file a spoon with a fucking... I'm not even going to pass on the shit. You don't even want to... Like, there's shit you have to hold on to. You might need to eat their shit. I would eat their balls and their dick. You know why? Let me eat that dick first.

You know why? Testosterone. Because that's what the raccoons and the squirrels go after first. There's a reason. Think about that. Nutrients. They go after the dick. No, the balls.

They go after the dicks. That's how wolves determine who's the alpha. Think about that. Nutrients. That's how wolves determine who's the alpha. The alpha gets to eat the liver. That's why there was a guy who did a whole this whole documentary where he lived with wolves and he lived amongst them and he had to

fake a kill. He would have a kill there and he would pack a liver inside of it and he would pull the liver out and he'd eat it in front of them. And he had to eat it in front of them and then he would let them eat. Sounds like a liar. No, no, no, no, no, there's fucking video of it. It's terrifying. Really?

Because then another wolf- Here's the thing, what happened. He had a farm nearby that was having problems with wolves and this guy was a wolf scientist and so he would go there with these big, gigantic speakers that play wolf sounds, because he had to scare off this one pack of wolves with a new pack of wolves that had invaded. Yes. And he had to make it scary enough

so these wolves backed off. It's all on video. The scary thing is when the alpha... So here's the thing, he came back. The guy came back after a month, and there was a new wolf had taken over. And so the new wolf wanted to kill him. So he had a whim wimper get a whimper in front of this wall So he was recognized as the the old alpha and to avoid being killed which is standard It's normal like a wolf would challenge and they would fight to the death and a new alpha would kill the or try to kill

The old alpha he came back close to die there was a thing was in space growl. Oh, yeah I great human involved in all that fucking shit with the wolves. The thing was, the alpha wolf was going, ah! Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There's a whole documentary on it. It's called Living with Wolves, I think. Here's the thing about it, man.

They don't understand that he's unusual because they've been with him since they were a baby. See, the whole, the only way that works. He didn't just walk in. It's a gigantic wildlife preserve. And this guy lives in the wildlife preserve with these wolves. Yes, he knows for their whole life Yeah, so they've been with him since he was you know, like four or five years ago, but they're fucking grown dangerous ass wolves now Yeah, it's amazing. You have what's it called? Find it Jamie. Is it not living with wolves? I bet it's probably on that.

I watched it. Living with Wolves? Oh, shit. I think I watched it on that. Originally, I thought you were saying some guy came in and said, check this out. I'm going to fix this wolf problem. No, no, no. I'm like, this has got to be some bullshit.

Aubrey mentioned to me some dude who was living with the grizzly bears. Oh, yeah. That's Grizzly Man. He died, yeah. Got fucked up by the bears. They ate him. And he texts Aubrey like a... What?

Am I confusing people here? No, you're confusing people. Grizzly Man. The best one of the best documentaries ever. It's a Werner Herzog documentary. It's an unintentional comedy. I'm not talking about that guy. Oh, there's another guy that lives with bears.

Yeah. Yeah, maybe. He was like the real aggressive today. And then the thing ate his asshole the next day. Well, there was one bear that they used on a movie. They used it on some football movie. You're talking about Bart the Bear. Yeah, that bear killed him.

Killed that guy in 12 seconds. Yeah, no shit. For no reason. No shit. The guy was just standing there. They were doing some sort of drill together. And the bear just decided to tear his throat apart. But of course, bears are going to do bear shit.

I agree with you. What did you think was going to happen? Can I talk to a trainer with bears? It's to happen? I talked to a trainer with bears. I talked to this trainer with bears. He said, well, bears will warn you about three minutes before. If they're having a bad day, you've got to step off. I go, what do they do? They start clicking their jaw.

When a grizzly starts clicking his jaw, it's time for you to stop training. Wow. He trains big cats. Look at this fucking idiot. He says, they will warn you. What is this? Is this the same guy? Dude, those are wild wolves.

No, no, this isn't the same guy, Jamie. No, this isn't the scientist. The scientist was a younger guy. But this is another guy that does the same thing. This guy's pretty badass. Yeah, I think that guy's living with wild wolves. Yeah. That guy's...

Yeah, Werner Herzog. Werner Herzog. You like chills with him? No, it's not Werner Herzog. Werner Herzog's a grizzly man. This guy's name is Werner Froon. You like chills with him? No, it's not Werner Herzog. Werner Herzog's a grizzly man. This guy's name is Werner Frund or something like that. It was a different guy, and I'm really pretty positive it was a younger guy. Oh, shit.

I'm going to get all into this now, man. It's amazing. It's amazing. They have a really sophisticated social system. Yeah, they do. I don't know why I just reiterated that. You know what I've been into lately, big time? Like, as if, I just, yeah, they do. I don't know why I just you know what I've been lately big time Like as if I just yeah, they do anyway keep going

Making a murder and all that I still haven't seen it. God damn it. Joey. So I'm a rebel bro. Yeah, you're a while Shit to me. I'll fucking wait, but you walk wolves and bears balls deep You know what you're making a murder with that man. I'm obsessed with wildlife Absolutely fucking obsessed. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed I'm really certain that Netflix documentary about India and the Ganges River. No, what's it called, dude? It's called like wild in India, but it's on Netflix wild in Ganges River is Insane very dirty it comes from no, but listen. It's not that dirt This is the crazy part about it is all that that river that river comes from the Himalayas, all the ice and the glaciers.

Wild in India? Something like that on Netflix about India. But the part about the Ganges River, it's a magical fucking river. They burn dead bodies in there. They throw trash, sewage, everything. But there's something. It's called wildest. Wildest in India. Yes, yes. There's something about they did. It's called wildest. Wildest India.

Yes, yes. There's something about that water. It has so much mineral composition that it's like an antibacterial water. It kills all the bacteria and the pathogens. According to this documentary that could be full of shit on Netflix. Yeah, it's pretty dirty.

Don't drink the Ganges. There's so much sewage goes into there, but it cleanses itself. You can still drink it. You can be down the river. People still drink it. Well, that's not true, because my friend jumped in and had an earache for two years.

Dude, there's... Okay, okay. Dude, I said according to this documentary. According, according... There's probably some white-on-white crime right now. Do you remember my bit about the Sunderbands? This is going to be fast. The Sunderbands is no joke, huh. Do you remember my bit about the Sunderbands? This is going to be fast. The Sunderbands is no joke, huh?

Do you remember that bit I used to have, Eddie, about the guy who got killed in a boat? There was a boat. There was five dudes. With the tigers? Yeah, they swam out to the boat and killed these guys individually, one by one, and dragged them back to the shore. Oh, my God. The tigers swam out to the boat three times.

Oh, I remember that. You told me that. Three times. Yeah, there's a documentary that talks about that. They couldn't get out of the way. That's the only spot in the world where tigers actively hunt humans. They love the taste of humans. Yeah, that noise.

Well, they say that the people... The super bands. India. India. Don't go to India. Oh, I ain't going, but they got great documentaries about it. Yeah, I'll watch that shit. Well, they've killed literally hundreds of thousands of people over the last hundred

years. Hundreds of thousands? Yeah, over the last hundred years. Tigers? thousands? Yeah, over the last hundred years. Tigers? Yeah, they have some nutty number. It's not a wish way to go. Over the last 200 years, I think the number's like 300,000.

I quoted the number honestly and realistically in my comedy special. That was in Talking Monkeys in Space. They fucking killed this guy, dragged him to shore, and then jumped back in the water, killed another guy, dragged him to shore, jumped back in the water, killed another guy, dragged him to shore, and then jumped back in the water, killed another guy, dragged him to shore, jumped back in the water, killed another guy, dragged him to shore.

What's wrong with these things? They couldn't swim away. These things are so fast. They can swim faster than five guys can row a boat at full speed. Is there anything scarier? There's a great book called The Man-Eaters of Kumon. Read The Man-Eaters of Kumon about tigers. Fuck Jason. That's worse than Jason. Dude, crocodiles don't fuck

with them. Crocodiles don't fuck with them. Crocodiles don't fuck with tigers. Ro Schultz running from Roy Nelson like he's a tiger right now. Well, Roy Nelson is a dangerous dude. Roy Nelson throws fucking hammers. You want to talk about a guy who's always been known as a jujitsu guy? He throws fucking fire. Eddie and I knew Roy Nelson back when he was just big country.

Everybody called him big country. He was a jujitsu guy. Back in the day. Oh, fuck. Jesus, that fucking haymaker. Back in the Mark Lehman days. Yeah. It's getting low here. Now, are these guys going to get a Versace contract?

Yes. He should. Well. If Versace was fucking smart, they would try to get in on that Chubby Band dollars. For reals, that dad bod. Come on, folks. Why does everybody have to be beautiful? Roy Nelson in a fucking fat suit with a cigar in his hand.

That'd be sick. His wife on his arm. Dick hanging out. Listen, people love that guy. I really believe absolutely 100% that he's under-marketed by a lot of companies. Companies should scoop that guy up. Schlitz. Burger King.

A lot of people. Schlitz, Moe Liquor. But not even as a joke like that guy up. Schlitz. Burger King. A lot of people. Schlitz, Moe Licker. But he not even has a joke like that. But just like a good company. He's a man. He's a fucking man. He has the most knockout bonuses in UFC history for heavyweight. Yeah.

He's a fucking man. Yep. He's an animal. Look at that. Dude's an animal. Look at Rochelle. He has a grown man running from him. Yeah.

I mean, this motherfucker throws hammers. Do you remember when he knocked out Mitrione? Jesus, this motherfucker throws hammers. Do you remember when he knocked out Mitrione? Jesus Christ. Dude, hammers. He knocked out Noguera like he was a fucking paper cutout. Is he the hardest guy that's ever hit you? Yes.

Jesus Christ. That was hot. Damn, look at Rochelle. Rochelle can take it. He's like, fuck you, bitch. Rochelle's about to get knocked out. I think Rochelle is an elite wrestler, right? Yeah, Oklahoma State national champ. But heavyweight national champ, it's similar to sumo wrestling.

I hate to be shitty about it, but it really is. It really is. Really? Yeah. Until Brock Lesnar's in your division. Bro, that was 20 years ago. I'm talking about now with the big old fat boys. What's the difference between now and then?

Like if Brock Lesnar was around today, is it possible to still have a guy like that? There's no Brock's out there anymore. How come? I don't know. What's that? You follow college wrestling? I watch the finals every year. Harshly, he's a freak.

He's a blonde silverback. I don't know what the fuck it is. Is it evolution? Are we seeing the last of the Viking DNA? Because he has a regular-sized wife. Guys are going straight emo now. Yeah, probably. Well, he has a regular-sized wife.

I'm sure his children would be fucking gigantic. Maybe. His wife was a pro wrestler, right? Whose wife? She was a rock wrestler. She was Sable. She was Sable. And she was fucking fine, son.

Beautiful. Beautiful. He did well. He did well for himself. So she's very athletic. Do I have a calendar of rights to jack off to a middle school? How dare you say that about his wife? No, it's a good thing.

You son of a bitch. Hey, bring it, bitch. You don't do shit. You fake fight it. Oh, how dare you. It's true. Dude, but if you met him in an alley, he's like one of the worst people you could run into for a brief exchange.

Dude, he'd rape me. Let's be real. He'd rape me. And I'd have to do something. I'd have to jump on his back. Don't, Brock. I'd have to pull him aside and say, listen. Look at her.

That's his wife. Yeah, okay, perfect. His kids are going to be freaks. His kids will probably still be freaks. All muscle. So when his kids grow to be about 18 years old, we'll start getting nervous again. Damn.

We'll start getting nervous again. That is impressive. There's no Brock Lesnar out there right now. She's beautiful Well who was that dude that just fought That kickboxer dude Black gentleman Was he from Africa?

In the UFC? You're talking about the dude from France From France, that's right He was like a shittier looking Czech Congo With dreads Nasty power For sure take him down Yeah well he got taken down the first round. Who was that?

Jamie? Who was that, Jamie? Sable, though, was the hottest. I haven't talked about her in forever. Sable? Yeah. Okay, if you can get, like, Gabby Garcia and Shane Carwin to have a kid, good lordy, Miss Claudia.

What would we have? What would we have? Who again? Shane Carwin and Gabby Garcia. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. kid. Good lordy Miss Claudia. What would we have? What would we have? Who? Shane Carwin and Gabby Garcia. Oh, shit. You got a woman who's six foot four. Are you periscoping, you fuck? No. Periscoping. What are you doing? I don't have a periscope.

You don't know what a periscope is. He has no idea. Shane Carwin and Gabby Garcia have a baby. You think that's a... No, no, no. Ultimate super athlete. No, bro. Fuck that noise. How dare you? No, no. Check this out. Shane Carwin And Serena Williams Oh you're right You're right

Interracial as well Yes Yeah Yeah there's just A lot of Emotional power To both sides Combining together

In one furious You just send that kid To the hood Athleticism Just send it to the hood No no no No you don't make them Rich and happy

Oh no You send them just They might not make it Out of there though Nah they'll make it out of there, though. Nah, they'll figure it out. Oh, I don't know, man. That's a risk. You have to make more than one.

You have to do it in two. How ridiculous do we get on this fucking committee? This podcast is ridiculous. I'm looking up Sable as we should be outlawed. What was that movie? Remember that guy? Was it Mask? The guy who was born with a deformity?

You're talking about with Cher? Yeah. With Cher. That's Mask. What'd you say? The bear guy. The bear guy? Meet Sulu the bear man.

Oh, okay. It's a new bear guy. And his face got ripped off, too? Did he get killed? Oh, boy. Do you know, Jamie, or are you guessing? They kind of deserve it, though, yeah? Find out if you got killed.

Hey bitch, don't give the bear watermelon, huh? Well, here's the thing about bears, man. Bears can be a lot like dogs if they're really taken care of. If you feed them and love them. People have lived with bears where they swim with bears. But you've got to be with them from the time they're a baby. They can never be feral. And you've got to be able to raise them and give them love so they

sort of have to identify with you. They have to imprint. But they imprint on you. But they're like a dog in a lot of ways. I agree with you. It's always a risk because you're dealing with something that one generation removed was completely wild. You could easily have a grizzly bear where

the mother grizzly bear had to fight for its life against a mountain lion that was trying to kill its baby. That's totally possible. And then here it is, like one generation later, you've got the pup and it's living in your house. I'll tell you right now, I'd rather chill with those grizzly bears than some of those chimpanzees and shit in my house. Yeah, that's a good call. Chimpanzees might decide to fuck you. Ain't shit you do that.

At least the bear's just going to rip my throat out. Chimpanzees just fucking hold you back. If a chimp wants to bust another in my ass, he's going to do it. If you're on the verge of suicide, if you want to commit suicide, then that might be a good idea. You know what? Since you're going to kill yourself, why not go fucking live with lions? That's what I'm saying, Eddie.

You know what I mean? See what happens, and then if they kill you, whatever, you're going to kill yourself, why not go fucking live with lions? That's what I'm saying, Eddie. You know what I mean? See what happens, and then if they kill you, whatever, you were going to kill yourself anyways. That's the guy in South Africa who lives with 21 lions and wrestles with them and stuff. Yeah, might as well. Good move.

Good luck. Yeah, it's going to turn out great. Yeah, that works out. Are you suicidal? Call this number now. Guys, dudes will do whatever they can to separate themselves from the pack. Dude, there's scientists that are like, they want to gain data.

They're like, you got to be suicidal to go into those motherfucking dens. Did Rochelle catch Roy? Is that what you were doing? No, he fell. He slipped. He slipped. I'm surprised he's not trying to grapple more. I do that all the time, and I get embarrassed.

When I like, I'll go, oh, and something won't land. So it slipped. And I'm a professional. Like, I'm at the fight, calling the fight, and someone throws a head kick and it doesn't land. But it, like, looks like it's going to land, but at the last minute it gets away. I'm like, oh, my God. But it's genuine. I swear to God, folks.

Oh! I swear to God. It's tough, though. When I yell, oh! Like, I don't do that accidentally. I mean, I don't do that artificially. This looks like a good-ass fight. These guys look like they're completely related.

Yeah, well, they're definitely the same species. They look like brothers. They look like the exact same species. Exact same species. This isn't confusing. At all. You know? Good thing he has a beard, because I'd be like, huh?

Remember when Keith Hackney fought Emmanuel Yarborough? Do I ever. You're like, okay, what's going on here? These things are so not similar in their size. These two individuals. They're both bit. These two individuals. Rochelle looks like a supermodel version of the mask, right?

Oh, that's what you were going to say. You sick bastard. Supermodel version. There's nothing sacred here. Come on. How is that talking shit? I said you look like a supermodel. Of the mask.

Oh my God. Of the guy from the Cher show. This is my favorite show of all time. Yes, yes, yes. Of the Cher show. He said that. That's Eddie, Eddie, Eddie. God damn it, Eddie.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, look. Damn it, Eddie. Look, look. That's terrible. That's probably the greatest thing I've ever heard. Supermodel! All right. Oh, that's so funny. He's his better looking brother.

I'm not talking about a joke in Zoolander. I'm talking about Alan Dubon. It's his better looking brother. Marcus Shakenberg. Let me say something, man. Your joke is so cool. Marcus Shakenberg. It's going to cost Roy Nelson this fight.

The karma of your joke is so cool. You fucked this. Not a joke. It's a compliment. You might have fucked over Roy Nelson. It's a compliment. Here's a trivia question. Who is the actor who played him? He's the fucking... it's a compliment you might have come on here's a trivia question who is the actor who played him he's the real dude come on man that's not makeup that's a real dude no i thought that was uh no no no no it's eric stoltz no no that's eric stoltz yeah god damn it brennan how bad did i make you feel i I was like, oh, no. No, I knew it was Eric Stoltz.

Here's a little jujitsu trivia. Powder. Remember that dude? Sean Patrick. Fuck it, right. Black Belt in jujitsu. Legit Black Belt. Under Sean Williams?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sean Williams, Henjo Gracie Black Belt. Damn. Legit lineage. It's a big deal, man. Did Powder do anything after Powder? Well, here's the deal, dude.

I don't know if you know that thing. Did he need to? The guy who directed Powder was a guy who was like, there was some controversy about some alleged child molestation charges. Oh, no. Which made Powder a really weird movie. Oh, boy. What? Because Powder was kind of like a Nambla love story to a lot of people.

There was a whole conspiracy about that. That guy got in trouble. The guy who directed, it wasn't a little thing like he got in like real criminal trouble i do not remember holy shit i didn't know that i do not remember the specifics documentary on that i don't think there is but there's probably now find out jamie you're fucking slipping here hold on a second here we go barry crimmins was the one talking about it i believe get the case, Netflix. Barry Crimmins, was he talking about that? He was talking about AOL. Barry Crimmins was talking about AOL, how child molesters were selling things to AOL.

But Barry Crimmins did comment about that guy on a, was it on a podcast or was it on Twitter? I thought that's how I heard about it. Maybe. You might be right. You might be right. I had known about it before that. I'd read, there was a big article that was about it. I want to say like two years ago But uh yeah Barry of course if you don't know Barry Crimmins is he's a Boston comedy legend and he had a

Bobcat Goldthwait documentary called call me lucky and it's about his getting molested when he was a kid. It's horrific man He was four years old. He was four years old, and his babysitter's boyfriend would fuck him. God damn. Why'd you bring the podcast down like this? Dude, you gotta see it. Call me Lucky. He's an amazing doctor. God damn.

Here's the guy. Look at this. Victor Salva loves terrorizing semi-naked youths. Look at him. No shit. But they're semi-naked. Don't be pussies. That's from 2012 from Vice.

Better than naked. Take your shirt off. Ready? Boom. It could be worse. What do you mean terrorizing? Semi sounds like bottoms on, tops off. Exactly.

Take your pants off. Move around. I might kick you. I don't know. I might. Damn, Roy's going for the shake kill now. Three for three. Roy had a beard before it was cool.

People think he's a hipster. Went for a takedown, did not get it. Roy's wrestling's underrated. Look what he did to Barnett that time. Well, he has a loss on his record that I think is one of the most unfair stand-ups ever. Arlovsky? Against Arlovsky. Side control, working on a Kimura. He has a full double wrist lock.

He has the double wrist lock. He doesn't have the lock, right? Because he has to get it locked, turned behind the back on a strong guy. It's all set up, though. Kimura is an interesting move because Marcelo Garcia doesn't like to do it because he thinks it's a strongman move. He doesn't incorporate it. He's all about chokes. He's all about whatever he does has to work on everybody.

What do you think about that? Nothing wrong with that at all. That's a weird way to think. He doesn't believe in any kind of chokes with arm end, like arm triangles, or AK side choke, or Darces, or Japanese necktie. But I understand.

I understand. Really? I totally understand that, hey, shit, if you only focus, you take that time, everybody has the same amount of time to drill. Everyone has the same time. Everyone has 24 hours in a day. Everyone has a life. Everyone has the same amount of time to drill. Everyone has the same time. Everyone has 24 hours in a day. Everyone has a life. Everyone has the same motherfucking time generally.

What are you going to do with that block every day when you break it all down? What are you going to do with that block? If you say, why don't you save all that time for shit that works on the big guys? If it works on the big guys, it's going to work on the small guys. So let's just work on that. There's nothing wrong with that at motherfucking all. That's brilliant. That's genius.

Me personally, I like working on everything that works on guys that have like 15 pounds on you. You know what I mean? Because you're going to be rolling a lot with guys that are your size. And maybe as long as it works on guys that have a little weight on you, I'm into those moves. To me, that's a legit move. If it works on a guy that's around your size at a high level, I want that move in my character.

Henshaw used to talk about that. He would work on chokes. He said chokes always work whereas other stuff is tricky. But there's a difference between arm and chokes like Darcy's, Japanese neckties, arm and guillotines, and then straightin chokes like Darcy's, Japanese neckties, arm-in guillotines, and then straight neck chokes like Marcelatines and all these weird little fucking things like Rothwell on Barnett. There's all these ninja chokes and shit.

There's about 23 motherfucking ways to squeeze a neck to make a motherfucker tap. You know what I mean? So all those take special time to get good at just because you're good at one of the 23 makes it has nothing to do with are you good at this one or you're good at that one you got to spend the same amount of time on that shit it might give you a little boost if you're really good at this one then you're really you'll get really good at this one quicker than a guy who's not good at that one but generally you gotta spend time and all these chokes to master them and let me ask this for i forget who was that there was one choke that i

saw only once in the ufc it was a choke like almost similar to gogo plata by a kid who was a tiger showman student nick nick something or another it was in the ufc yes he had some crazy choke and he said that he invented it While it was going on He's like I invented it in the fight I have no idea what that is Do you know what I'm talking about? I know what I'm talking about but I couldn't show you Guy showed me techniques all the god damn time

And I'm like shit I should have videotaped that Cause that shit's gone Guys have videotaped new shit There it is Nick Pace Videotape that because that shit's gone. Eddie is New shit there it is Nick pace. Yeah. Yes pace. He did some crazy See if you can find the submission because it was some weird leg submission I don't show you I well I remember it had something to do with a shin across the neck Yeah, it's a like submission. So no, no, no, no, it was a neck. It was a choke It was some weird choke that had to do with some weird like

It was a choke. It was some weird choke that had to do with some weird omoplata type setup. And he wound up in some position with his shin underneath this guy's choke. Underneath this guy's neck in an unconventional way that I don't necessarily remember. I'd have to see it again. But I remember saying, have you done that before? And he said

that was the first time he ever did it. Is there a huge difference between guys Is there a huge difference between really good guys now and 10 years ago? Oh, fuck yeah. Jiu-jitsu-wise, like all different techniques? That's like saying, is there a difference in stand-up comedy now in general as in the 80s? Come on, in the 80s it was good.

Oh, Roy Cotter. You know what I mean? Same thing. Same Russian comedy. Roy won that fight, by the way. Hey, Eddie, look up behind you. That's the choke. Nick Pace is going to show us the choke. Why does it look so, Eddie, look up behind you. That's the choke. Nick Pace is going to show us the choke.

Why does it look so crappy, Jamie? See, look at this. He grabs it like this. He throws the leg over the neck. He shoots under like this, and he grabs his ankle. Look at this. That's gun show control. It's called gun show.

But he chokes him from here. Yep, yep. I got a guy, Ben Eddy, who does this shit. Yeah. All the time. All the time. He came up with this on, who does this shit. Yeah. All the time. All the time. He came up with this on the fly in the UFC. Damn.

And now he calls it the pace joke. I don't recall. That guy's hair is great. Who told him to do that? Is that Lewis Gowden now? Well, that's legit. Is that Gowden? He always says Gowden.

Maybe not that hair. I got a guy whose style is based off that control. You just said it looks nice, fuck. No, but I'm being sarcastic. Those guys spend a lot of time. That's an atomic green. Those guys, Tiger Schulman, for a lot of people who don't know, those guys were a giant karate chain in the East Coast.

You see them in New York all the time. They didn't think of them as legit necessarily because they thought, well, most giant karate schools aren't legit. Yeah. However, they are legit. I mean, think Uriah Hall. This fucking kid, Nick Pace, came from there. That guy who won last, Frankie Rivera, the guy who won last week against Yuri Alcantara, he's from there.

Jimmy Rivera. Jimmy Rivera. There's a lot of fucking really high-level guys from Tiger Shulman's. Tiger Shulman, Uri Hall is, look, his kickboxer, his stand-up is ridiculous. His karate skills, fucking ridiculous. That spinning back kick to the face that he caught Gegard with. Nasty. He's nasty.

That's all Tiger Shulman, man. It's amazing. And this Nick Pace kid. It's like they're one of the few big-name schools that was a whole chain that became like a real, legit gym. That's like they're one of the few big name schools that was a whole chain that became like a real legit gym. That's cool. They were a karate chain. They were the one karate chain. Maybe

there's others that did it. I'm sure there are, but Tiger Schulman's was a straight dominant karate chain and when they saw MMA unfold, they were like okay, we need some jiu-jitsu. We need some of that. We need some of that.

So Tiger Shulman is open-minded, modern. The other way to look at it also is that you have that big a school. There are always going to be some superstars who are going to come through. No, no, no. Their training is really good. It's not just that. They evolved when most other traditional martial arts associations didn't evolve. Tiger Showmans was all about evolution.

Most, most other traditional martial arts associations are not into evolving because the people at the top, they're fucking lazy. And they don't want to evolve because they would have to learn all this new shit. They don't want to do it. Who does this? Who gets on top of a top row, pulls his shirt up, and rubs his belly? Homer Simpson does that shit all the time. It's tough after a decision. Stipe Miocic in the motherfucking house.

Ooh, Stipe got that new girl. Hey, easy. Girl. Dude. God damn it. It's the wine. He got that new girl. Handsome guy.

He's a handsome guy. I got Stipe as a very handsome man. Come on, man. We got that dive piece. Come on, man. We spent 20 minutes on Alan Juban, and you're going to talk about Steve Bay? Steve Bay's a handsome guy. He's a big, handsome man.

Let's be honest. This has been one of the least heavy fight companions ever. We have barely paid attention to these fights. By the way, Conor McGregor is bigger than Dos Anjos. Is this the gayest one ever? No, definitely not. Have we been gayer? Yeah, whenever Brian's here, it gets gay.

Yeah, it gets gay. Somewhat gay. I can't help it. The dream about your boyfriend. I can hear that over and over and over. We're gay now. Have you had another dream? Was that the only dream?

That was the only one. So far, the only dream. I can't wait for Conor Dos Angeles. What do you think about that? Conor's bigger than Dos Angeles. How about that? How about that? How about Dana saying that Conor

has no chance? What's up with that? Dana didn't say that. No, he didn't. Oh, he didn't? No. Oh, he didn't? Okay, because that's what it says in the underground. I apologize. I think what he said was, I have a hard time seeing Conor win this fight. I'm paraphrasing. He's being honest. What did I say? No, no, no. It's called honey

dicking. What did I say? It's called honey dicking, everybody. Listen, man, you cannot neglect the skills of Dos Anjos. Yeah. It's a tough fucking fight. When I look at Dos Anjos, I look at a fucking beast, man. The way he put away Benson Henderson, the way he put away

Donald Cerrone, the way he beat the fuck out of Sergio Pettis, or excuse me, Anthony Pettis. He's something special, man. Dude, I can't think of a worse matchup for Conor, but Conor, you talk to Conor, he thinks that it's a legit, he goes, ah, he's just like Jose Aldo, but shittier version. Do you think he's really trying to start his own promotion? Do you think that's legit? That's bullshit?

What's Conor going to do about his wrestling? What's he going to do about his wrestling? That's real. I think so. He's the power. He's actually saying, did he actually say he's going to start his own promotion? Listen, man. No way. If I was Conor McGregor, why would I work for the UFC after a while?

I would go, I'm just going to do the Conor McGregor show. Take that shit in the road with all the best concert promoters. So it's real? I would imagine. Is that real? You guys know. I don't know. I would imagine if Conor McGregor has a contract that would allow him at a certain time to no longer be with the UFC, he could do whatever the fuck he wants.

He can take the sport with him. But here's the question. Why would he? How dare you ghost those last two fights on that main event? Ghost them? What? What'd you say? That card's stacked.

Amanda Nunez is no joke. Let's not talk about that right now. What I'm saying about Conor is that Conor is a fucking legit superstar. But the UFC made him a superstar. The UFC is the perfect vehicle. They've got everything down. The promotion, the management, the way it's all set up, the way the marketing is on point. It's on another level.

If you go to some other organization, good luck running a smooth ship. What happened to Affliction? What happened to Elite XC? What happened to Strikeforce? Bellator even. Bottom line. Bottom line. Bellator's Viacom. Conor McGregor would be unknown to the world in Ireland training in a boxing gym

if it wasn't for the UFC. I agree 100%. You gotta remember that shit. 100%. The UFC made him famous. Agree. He still deserves the money. It was a cooperative venture. There's no either or. They're not mutually exclusive in their amount of success that was dependent upon their actions. They both benefit from the relationship. No, no, but make no mistake about it.

The UFC would always be big. Yes. It would always be big. If there was never a Conor, the UFC would be just as big. But never as big as with a guy like that. If you want to be as big as what that guy is, you need a Conor McGregor. It's the only way it happens. No doubt about it.

Or Ronda. Or Brock Lesnar. Yeah. I've always been fucking fascinated with Conor. Maybe GSP today? Maybe GSP today. Why? Because I think the UFC today is bigger than it's ever been.

Oh, you're saying a young GSP. A young GSP today, if he was a champion. 100%. I agree. God damn it. Girls would be, their fucking damp panties would be filling up 100,000 seat arenas. Yeah. He's a stud.

He'd be bigger than that. He'd be so big. If GSP was in his prime, like when he beat BJ Penn for defending his title, when he was in his prime, if the UFC was, I think the UFC's probably, I mean, I don't know how many more people watch it now than then. But as far as like being well known, it's way more well known. I agree. Way more.

What about BJ Penn coming back? What the fuck? Amazing. That's crazy, right? He did the right thing. He went to fucking Greg Jackson. God damn it. He thought about it.

He's sitting there and fucking on Hilo, chilling the volcanoes outside the fucking window. He thought about it and he knew it. He came back. What did he fucking do? He goes to Greg Jackson. I mean, he did the best fucking thing possible. I mean, he could have went to AKA, could have went to TriStar. He has a fight too. All that shit. But he decided to go. Yeah, he's got a fight. He decided to go

to one of the top fucking schools. Greg Jackson's not a bad goddamn choice. Oh, it's the best choice. Come on. Well, it's one of like five fucking schools. Greg Jackson's not a bad goddamn choice. Oh, it's the best choice. Come on. Well, it's one of like five best choices. Yes. Eric Del Fierro, down in the Lions, that's a best choice. You've got Firas Zahabi,

who is probably my first choice, or one of them. He'd be my number one. Him or Lisa Bolian. As a striking coach, you mean? As an everything coach. Firas is a mastermind. Come on.

Firas, Greg Jackson. John Donahue's another mastermind. That's Firas, though. I think Donahue is another mastermind. That's for us, though. I think Donahue is with Farras. I think they're working together. Number one, Mighty Mouse is Coach. Matt Hume. So you're right.

There you go. Matt Hume and Farras Ahabi, to me, are commensurate. I think they're exactly the same level. They're both wizards. Both are masters. Both of those guys, they're masters. Matt Hume had more MMA fights, I think. Farras had a lot of kickboxing fights.

But Firas is nasty on the ground, and he's a super genius. When it comes to his analytical mind, the way he breaks down fights, he breaks down street fights. There's YouTube videos where he breaks down how this guy came at a guy, and the guy cracked this guy with a left hook, and he explains the footwork, draws it in a diagram. He's also young. And you know what he also did? Smart as fuck. You know what he did? He's younger, and he's been through it like he came Smart as fuck. You know what he did? He's younger and he's been through it

like he came up with everyone. You know the coolest fucking thing he did? He just put out a video where he's testing guard work and ground and pound on guards. What guard works best for ground and pound? He did this shit. He put it on YouTube.

He put it up. So he had him, him, Gary Toten, and I think Gordon Ryan. They had like some dude jump with boxing gloves, jump in their guard and start pounding them. And in the video, the guys on the bottom, whether it was Faraz, Gary Tonin, or I think it was Gordon. I don't fucking know who that third guy was. But they were just wrecking the guy on top with leg locks a bunch of different things it was like a revolutionary

experimentation one of the smartest things you could ever do makes sense the only thing I think version 2 I think we should add there's different scenarios in ground and pound it's not always the same

sometimes the guy's on top he doesn't want to even be on the ground There's different scenarios in ground and pound. It's not always the same, ground and pound. Sometimes a guy's on top, he doesn't want to even be on the ground. So if you're not holding him on the ground, he's going to stand up and back out. You have to have that scenario, too. What happens in that scenario? What guard is best for a guy that's on top in your guard? You must have pulled guard because he didn't try to take you down. He wants to stay on his feet.

So as soon as you open your guard, he's going to back out and he's gone. So what guard is best for that scenario? And there's another scenario also. You have the scenario where the guy is getting beat. Your opponent is getting beat up on his feet. So he's taking you down at will. And you have to deal with a guy who's trying not to let you stand up. You have to deal with a guy who's trying not to let you stand up.

So I think version two of those ground and pound experimentations to figure out what's the best guard, I think that's my two cents. But what the fuck do I know? I don't know. But the fact that Firas actually did that, he's already experimenting on what is the best guard for ground and pound. It's brilliant. I love it. I want more. Take a kickbox of ground and pound. It's brilliant. I love it. I want more.

MMA. That says MMA. He makes his UFC debut. But I could have swore. Eddie, are you trying to bet on this main event, son? I'm trying to... You want to break down the guard? You make a good point, Eddie, and you know what? Another good point. Ryan Callahan talked about Fabrizio

Verdum's guard, and he was like, none of our ground and pound worked on him. With King Mo, who's a nasty wrestler. King Mo's like world-class wrestler. We need more of those films of Ferraz. We need those on a consistent basis. Here's the thing, though, Eddie, I think there's only like five guys who can do

that. I mean, that's how high in regard I hold Ferraz to hobby. His stand-up's ridiculous, too. He's just a real martial arts wizard. Look what he's doing. He's a super smart guy. I talk to him. You ever talk to him?

I've trained with him. I've trained with him. For us, it's actively. Tell me what that's like. He's amazing. He honestly set the blueprint for everyone in Denver, like Shane Carwin, myself, Nate McCourt, in the blueprint for GSP.

He had them doing all this different stuff. A lot of movement. He's a genius, man. Like what kind of shit? Like walking on logs? No, definitely not that movement shit. No movement! Playing when I was a kid.

Playing with rocks. A lot of the drilling. You have George drill a ton, more than we would drill. Drill what, movement? Instead of just sparring. No, drilling on the pads, jiu-jitsu movements, starting worst case scenario where we weren't doing that. He's a legit genius. I think that's one of the biggest mistakes that people make is too much sparring, even in jiu-jitsu.

I was talking to a buddy of mine who's a purple belt about this. And he's like, he hurt his hip and he had to get a hip replacement surgery. And, you know, he's like our age. He's like in his late 40s. And he's a very successful businessman. And he went from there to going back to training again. But once he healed up, he's doing drills. And he's like, man, I'm telling you, just from doing all these drills, my jiu-jitsu has gotten much, much better.

Sure. Because now he's constantly improving upon his database of positions. Patterns, right? Patterns? Yes. It's really the only way to get that. A lot of it's pattern chunking, man. You were talking about Henner. A good Hen Henner Gracie is, like pattern chunking his

whole life. Yeah. He just understands jiu-jitsu. Boxing's that way. Boxing's a series of patterns, and then mixing them all up. So is Taekwondo. Look at Johnny Hendricks' body. He looks fit.

He looks slim. Now, Johnny Hendricks beat Tyron Woodley in the NCAA. What are you saying? How does he look? Johnny Hendricks looks amazing. He looks slim, right? Yes. He doesn't look at all like he had any sort of a weight problem.

He was underweight this morning. Or when they weighed in, he was underweight the morning of the weigh-ins. That's the French guy. This motherfucker. Woo! Jack. What's his name? Francis?

Make that larger. Ingano? Ingano. Ingano? Man, he's a beast. He's got some serious power. Yeah. And good defense on the ground, too.

When he got taken down, the dude didn't do shit to him. He may be French, but he's West African, sir. Oh, for sure. He's gigantic, too. That's a stud. That's a warrior. When I was interviewing him, I'm like, hi. He's giant.

Jesus. Just going to interview you over here. I went to interview him, and he decided he wanted to walk away and go see how the guy's feeling after he beat the fuck out of him. I'm like, okay, I'll just be over here. You do your thing, dog. You do your thing, buddy. Look at him.

What a man. He fucked that dude up. I don't know who the fuck he fought. He's probably got a tiny dick, right? I don't know if the guy he fought. I felt like the guy he fought. Look at Joe Silva next to him. He's a debut to us.

Look at Joe Silva. Look where he comes up to, these guys. Oh, my Lord. But he holds their fate. Listen. He holds their fate. Joe Silva, he's a great guy. He just needs mushrooms.

And a fucking reality check. Mushrooms are a reality check, Brendan. I think an ass whooping would be the same thing. Oh, how dare you? Listen, I like Joe Silva. I have never had any ill dealings with Joe Silva. He is my friend. I enjoy him as a human being. I do not know what the fuck went down with you with Joe Silva. He is my friend. I enjoy him as a human being.

I do not know what the fuck went down with you and Joe Silva. Me? Ask any fighter. You bitches need to work that shit out on your own. Nah, I'm good now. Brendan, if you decided in another dimension, you decide to come back and you're going to fucking do it, you're going to come back one more time,

you're going to make a comeback, what camp do you join and what is your strategy? It's hard to turn down Muscle Farm with Leaster Bowling right now, but I'd probably go TriStar. I like Muscle Farm for a couple reasons. One, it's a big new facility. Everything's super state-of-the-art and it's got some momentum. A lot of dudes are gravitating towards there.

Leaster, Elliot Marshall, Dwayne Ludwig is in cahoots. You know, there's a lot of other really good striking coaches. You've got Brandon Thatch. You've got, is Clay Guida there now? You know why it's happening? Yes. Clay Guida's there. You know why Muscle Farms is happening?

Ryan Drexler, the guy who's running it now, he's a student of mine, and he always wanted to, he was very successful in the supplement industry very very successful and his passion was to build an MMA team years ago he got involved in the farm that fight with Diego Sanchez and Clay Guida was the craziest fight ever

Hendrix and Thompson is about to start and we gotta pay attention to this this shit's important first of all Hendrix you're right Hendrix looks fantastic I don't know how he's gotta solve that wrestling he looks so fit

well he fucked up in the Tyron Woodley fight he didn't make weight look at this fucking side stance this side stance is so unusual this is so epic right now how epic is this about Stephen Thompson is that he's been training a lot With Weidman So his wrestling has gotten a lot better

And he's not worried about being taken down He'll get taken down by Johnny He might get taken down But he might not NCAA champ NCAA champ that's hard to deal with You're right it is hard to deal with You know what else is hard to deal with?

57-0 in kickboxing That's super hard to deal with. Yeah, you're right. It is hard to deal with. You know what else is hard to deal with? 57-0 in kickboxing. Yeah. That's super hard to deal with, dude. See, I'm still wrestling. Johnny's wrestling is so tough. In an MMA fight, I think the wrestling is hard to deal with. Listen, we're watching it. Let's just watch it.

We don't know what the fuck is going to happen. Don't talk. You might be right, but you're saying what's definitely going to happen while it's happening. That seems really ridiculous. No, I'm just saying probability. The wrestling is hard to deal with. That's how I sound like That seems really ridiculous. No, I'm just saying probability. The rest of us are going to deal with it. That's how I sound like a wizard. Are you psychic?

I'm a little psychic, dude. I see things exactly one second before they happen. This is the worst kind of commentary ever. I knew that. Imagine if we did commentary like this saying what's going to happen while different shit is happening. He's going to take him down. He's going to take him down. He's going to crush him.

Don't predict. No, he's not even taking him down. No, it's actually happening right now. The predictions are going to ask the door. He's going to take him down. He's going to take him down. He's going to crush him. Don't predict. No, he's not even taking him down. No, it's actually happening right now. The predictions are going to make it cool. Countering, countering. Top's predictions are sideways. Watch his sidekick. He's a lot like mine.

A lot like mine. More of that. More of that. Oh! King to the face, dude. I'm telling you. There's very few guys that can avoid the takedown like him and have these kind of skills. It's a completely different kind of leg dexterity.

His movement's nasty. Dude, he used to fight in that Chuck Norris league. Johnny Hendricks is in a world of trouble here. He's getting lit up. He's getting lit up like Christmas tree. Thompson can do some shit that Hendricks has not seen before. It's way longer. It's hard to get a sparring partner like this.

You're not going to fight a guy like him. And he's hard to take down. He is one of the elites in American kickboxing. He's a freak. Look at him. No. And he's hard to take down. He's hard to take down. He is one of the elites in American kickboxing. Oh, shit. He's a freak. Look at him, man. Oh, shit.

He fights like a snake. Oh, shit. It doesn't look good at all. So much taller. Oh, look at that step in right here. So much taller. Grim, son. It depends on who you're looking for.

If you're looking for Thompson, it's looking excellent. Yeah, it's looking great. No, I'm talking about Hendricks. It's not looking good. Hendricks is in a bad situation. Oh, he's just got run. Hendricks is trying to throw that kick and he's getting caught. He's setting shit up. It's not looking good. Hendricks is in a bad situation. Hendricks is trying to throw that kick and he's getting caught. He's getting timed. He's in a terrible situation

here. This is Ronda Rousey. Oh, look at this switch kick. Jumping switch kick. Jumps with the left and kicks with the right. Right hand on the chin. God dog. He's lighting him up. And no relenting. How tough is Johnny Hendricks? He doesn't even look like he's getting hurt. He just keeps coming forward

Oh, one does all he knows damn wonder boy might be able to do this to everybody. How about that? I've said that for a long time. I think he beats Robbie Lawler. I'll call it now He's learning how to fucking fight MMA The same at the same level that he learned to be this elite kickboxer Did I watch him in that Chuck Norris thing remember Remember the World Combat League where they were fighting that bull? He was in that? He was the champ. Is that what that show?

He fought in that? I don't know if he fought in the one, but I was a fan of that Chuck Norris kickboxing league. He was the champion? Look at that right. He was one of the best guys in it. Oh my God. He was one of the best guys in it.

Johnny's covering well. Damn, I didn't know that. Look at that right hook. Look at that right hook he just caught it with. Dude, look at this guy. This is in deep trouble. He just talked him. It's over. Johnny's covering well damn. I didn't know that Zero my chance he's crushing it. He's talking to him saying Title shot! You can't fight that guy. Title shot! Title shot! I've been saying it!

Title shot! I've been saying it! Oh, look at this. He can't even walk. Oh, no. He was doing the Karate Kid. He was living in the Karate Kid. Oh, my God.

He got you! Yes! Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? Oh, my God. He double got me. He double got me. I thought he was hurt.

Oh, shit. That's Atlantic. Dude, he fucked Atlantic. Fuck movement! Fuck movement! Fuck it! Hey, Conor McGregor. Dude, he fucking is athletic. Fuck movement. Fuck movement. Fuck it. Hey, Conor McGregor, definitely don't try to go up to 70. His movement is karate.

He has minimal movement. I mean, that footwork movement is just like doing all those movement drills with karate. You see the way he does flips? I guarantee McGregor will never say the 70-pound belt is looking good to me. He'll never say that. Oh, my God. You don't want to fight this guy. Dude, look at this.

He'll get shot. Boom. Precision type. Boom. You don't want to fight this guy. Look at what he did. Precision type. Come on, man. Look at the precision, though. The precision. He knew it. The uppercut. The difference in the level. And he nodded at him.

He nods at him. Dude, he got lit up. He couldn't get taken down. He couldn't get yep, you got me. Dude, he got lit up. Poor Johnny. He couldn't get taken down. This is the former champion who's gone through the best camp of his life. He's in the best shape he's ever been. He comes in there motivated, and he gets torn apart by a genius.

He gets torn apart by a genius. Has to be a title shot. You know what? We're witnessing the second wave of evolution. First, there was Machida, but we needed another one. We needed another one. Machida was like, okay, he's a special one. It's still not karate.

Now we see it for sure. The wave coming. This is one round. He is the wonder boy, dude. Guys, this is one round. You can do Woodley and him for the fucking title. Give Robbie Lager a little bit of a break. He just got through a war with Carlos Condit.

Karate is back. Give him some time off. Karate is back. Stronger than Thompson. Thompson, Lawler. Yeah, but come on, son. Wouldn't you want to see him versus... He'll light Lawler up, in my opinion.

I think... That's what I'm saying, B. It's hard to take Woodley's title shot away. It's very hard. It's very hard. You know the UFC rules. I do, but... That's six in a row.

In a sense of fairness, if we're going to look at a sense of fairness, it's very hard. You don't have the UFC roles. I do, but I'm saying in a sense of fairness, if we're going to look at a sense of fairness, it's very difficult. He's going to outstrike everybody. How much would you like to see him versus Damian Maia? He's going to outstrike everybody. I'd like to see him fight. If Hendricks can't take him down, Maia's not going to be able to

take him down. He kicks Damian Maia's face. He's going to be on a fucking island. He and Condit would on a fucking island. Clean off. Trapped on an island. He and Condit would be a good fight. I've been predicting the rise of Wonderboy for a while. Karate is back. He had one bad fight.

That's all I got to say. He had one bad fight where he was over-trained. Four years ago. He was over-trained against Matt Brown. Matt Brown. And since then, he's been dominant and getting better every time. And he was smart. He's a 170.

Look at that. He goes and trains the 185-pound champion who's one of the grittiest fucking wrestlers in the game. He goes to Weidman's camp. Weidman's a bigger guy, and he learns how to survive. Bro, a lot of people don't know this. Steven Wonderboy Thompson got his start from GSP. GSP was fighting Carlos Condit, brought Wonderboy in. I don't know how they met.

Brought him in. And then he sent him to Denver to train with Nate, myself, all the guys. And he was just fucking everybody up. Meanwhile, how about this? GSP discovered him. One of the most marketable guys ever. The nicest guy. So nice.

Legitimately the nicest, friendliest guy you'd ever want to meet. Clean cut. Doesn't look like some murderer. I hope he asked for a title shot here. Look at him. He's going to thank God. I've got to thank. Clean cut. Doesn't look like some murderer. I hope he asked for a title shot here. Look at him. He's going to thank God. I've got to thank God. Jesus Christ, this kid's good.

He's religious? There's something to this guy's shit. If this guy came up to you at a club and said he was a badass striker, I'm going to go to church and get better at fighting. This guy's on fucking speed. Look at that front leg sidekick, dude. You see the extension? Look at that front round kick.

Looks a lot like mine. Well, it'd be better if it wasn't. Boom. Boom. Left hand. It doesn't look anything like yours You shut the fuck up It's the right hand

Boom look at that right hand Dude he's a sniper Ouch He's a fucking sniper Look at that right uppercut Bing bing No one's ever beat Johnny Hendricks like that Dude not like that

Look at that right kick to the body on the way out Johnny's so fucking tough though Look at this Boom Oh Jesus I don't like seeing him Well come on man I know you gotta give it up He's a genius He's amazing I like Johnny too He's so fucking tough though Look at this Boom Oh Jesus To the arms Well come on man I know

You gotta give it up He's a genius He's amazing He's amazing Hashtag Callan called it Of course I called it dude Dude I got my fucking

Barbell jeans on I will fight tonight Fighters on the storm Dude you were a genius tonight You were right in every fight I was quiet in the beginning Every fight I was tired in the beginning You was fight. I was tired in the beginning.

He was wrong every fight. He was right every fight. I know. Dude, Carol was on fire tonight. I thought you said he's a genius. He was right every... We only have five minutes left? I'll tell you what, Wanderbark, he put everybody on notice.

How badly are these things timed? It was a first round knockout. Let's hear Johnny. Johnny's a man. Let me hear. Turn this off. Let's hear Johnny. Let's go over time. Let me hear Johnny. Johnny's a man. Let me hear. Turn this out. Let's hear Johnny. Let me hear him.

That's a man right there. Yeah. Yeah, let's not interview him after you say that. Dude, you know what, man? That's fine because that just shows his character. Johnny's awesome. He's been real. He's a great guy.

Johnny Hendricks is a man and he's awesome. He's a man. He's the best. He's the nicest guy ever. He's a very, very nice guy. He had to fight a fucking monster who strikes, has been striking since he was three years old. You know what he's fighting right now? He's fighting a Wonderboy.

He's figured out how to stay standing. He's figured out how to do it where he's gotten so comfortable with it, they can get loose. That was the dark day. See, that's not the way to be dramatic. You're forced to stay higher than everybody else. This is how you be dramatic when you say this. Watch this. Hey, dude, you know what he was fighting?

The future. And that's all be dramatic when you say this. Watch this. Hey, dude, you know what he was fighting? The future. And that's all you got to say, brother. But no one's going to give you that amount of time to sort of perform it. Why, the pause? The pause? The four people,

everyone drinking coffee and talking shit. You don't have that time for that. No, I can't pause. I can't pause. This is a wolf den, son. See, I turned back. I know.

Well, in the beginning, you guys were talking about fucking all these details and these guys had never heard of it. I was like, I you an opening for wine. I was trying to give you props for your wine skills. But I was kicking when you talked about that. Fuck off. I mean, you know, you just sabotaged me. Brian's wine skills are off the charts.

Not bad, right? You're not mad. Oh, your wine skills are off the charts. You know as much about wine as my business manager who's got a fucking wine cellar in his house. I pay attention. I'm obsessed. He's one of those dudes.

Really? He's my brother. He's a great friend of mine. I'll sit in a wine store and talk to the guy for hours. My wife has just dragged me out. I'll call my friend Matt. I'll call him from anywhere. I'll be like, all right, dude.

I'm in some Cabernets right now. Let me read you some shit. This is expensive shit. Is this any good? Just tell me which is a good one. He'll give me, that's a good one. Yeah, I always call it good. What year is it?

97? 95 is a better year, but 97 is not bad. Cal is the go-to. Cal is my go-to on wine. Dude from Tool has good wine? Who? Dude from Tool. Oh, fuck yeah.

The band Tool. He's got good wine? He definitely does. As far as in your world. Have you ever had Maynard's wine? It's delicious. No, I haven't. Who's Maynard?

Maynard Keenan. Purple Belt in Jiu-jitsu, by the way. From Tool. He was the one I was talking about before, when I was talking about my friend who injured his hip. I just didn't want to name drop. He owns Caduceus wine. It's really good.

He does everything. If he does anything. He does it well. He does it at a black belt level. Yeah. You know, he'd sing her a Tool. He makes fucking fantastic back on the mats. Wow.

Drilling. You know, he's my age. Drilling. He's my age. Great music. He's a beast. Like an intellectual. He's no bullshit kind of a guy. And he called me up because I had that primal guy on, Mark Sisson, and

he got a lot of things right, but apparently when he was talking about wine, Maynard was like, stay in your lane, son. Damn. Yeah, he's like, we don't use 87 different chemicals. He's like, we use some natural shit like yeast. Yeah.

Maybe. And maybe some tannins. It's remarkably simple when you see how they make wine a lot of times. Yeah. Remarkably simple. Jesus Christ, Wonderboy's good. Good God. He's a snake, man.

I've been saying this not to be a dick. I've been saying this since 1986. No, you have. Stupid. I remember back in the day. The way he moves, man. I've been saying this, not to be a dick. I've been saying this since 1986. No, you have. I remember back in the day. The way he moves, man. In Vegas. Dude, he just fucked up the number two welterweight in the world. Eddie fucked him up in the first round.

Look at that move. Look at that fucking move. He crushed him in the first round. Look at that. Dude, we might be looking at the champion right there. Who's going to beat him? I've been saying it. I've been saying it.

Robbie Law is goddamn ferocious. I disagree. Robbie knocked out Melvin Manhoff. Robbie doesn't touch him. It's aler is goddamn ferocious That motherfucker knocked out Melvin Madhoff Horrible matchup for Robbie You might be right Johnny Hendricks was the worst matchup You might be right but I believe there's a difference In the amount of danger that Robbie Lawler Will put himself in versus the amount of danger

That Johnny Hendricks will put himself in I'm just saying the amount of danger He'll put himself in trying to hit him. Robbie Lawler would take some crazy ass fucking chances and do some explosive, ridiculously aggressive shit. Good luck with that. Even as a champion. He might not land it, but dude, he knocked Melvin Manhoef dead. It's crazy. He's so indestructible.

It was a fight where Manhoef was teeing off on him. He was treating him like a piñata. Like a piñata. Just kicking his leg. His leg looked like it was on a string. And then he just tucked his head in. You gotta give Wonderboy the title shot. Well, I believe so.

I believe so. But I think that Tyron Woodley still has a real good argument that he deserves the title shot. Even though he's not as impressive as this guy, because his last fight he won by injury. You know? Carlos Condit kicked, fucked up his knee. So up his knee he was winning that fight though he definitely won the first that's a tough argument especially as far as marketability i'm just saying that he was supposed to be fighting johnny hendrix for the number one title shot johnny hendrix had to pull out because he didn't make weight and essentially tyron was promised a title shot you know i don't think it's

a bad thing i don't think it's a bad thing if Wonderboy waits out and knocks somebody else off. Because I'm telling you, a performance like this, a performance like this is like some superstar emerging shit. Dude, he looked like a genius tonight. A striking genius. Look at that spinning back kick to the arm. It's like getting hit by a fucking bat in your arms. He's kicking him in the arms. Johnny Hendricks is like, what the fuck? It's like getting hit by a fucking bat in your arms. He's kicking him in the arms. Johnny Hendricks

is like, what the fuck? It's like getting hit by a machine. Oh my god. A guy who kicks like him, everything he's doing is perfect. This is like an example. This is a direct example of what we were talking about when we were going over the technique of the kick. He throws everything. He slides into it. He turns his hip over.

He turns his hip over and he throws punches. He's laser beam accurate, man. Like he's on a wire. And sees what you're doing before you do it, right? Yes. Oh, you're gonna throw a right hit? And let me just let me just move a little bit back. BABAM! Dude, the way he landed that right kick to the body, that right kick to the body in that exchange before, it was extraordinary because he knows he's on the way out, but he also knows where Hendrix's left arm is and he sneaks that right kick right under it as he's on the way out, but he also knows where Hendrix's left arm is, and he sneaks that right kick right under it

as he's sliding backwards, which very few people are going to be able to do. Crazy. You know, the crazy thing is... I've got to take my fighting more seriously. No matter what you do in martial arts, like I said before, we all have a certain amount of time to drill.

So whatever the kung fu, the karate guys, whatever they were doing during the Dark ages when we thought it didn't work whatever they were doing they were getting really good at it at that range and getting fucking the best at that range, maybe they can get taken down easily maybe they don't know any Jiu Jitsu

but now we got to the point where they spent all that time in that range and now they added and supplemented wrestling so they can stay in that range, and now they added and supplemented wrestling so they can stay in that range, the range that they rule, the range that they spent all their time in, the range that nobody else spent that much time in, that range,

but they got the wrestling and the surrounding. They can stay in that range that they rule in during the dark ages when everyone thought that didn't work. But hey, guess what? Now it fucking works because I got all that shit to support it.

I love Eddie. And you're fucked up. That's what we just talked about. We just saw karate, kung fu, taekwondo. When Eddie talks, he talks like a conspiracy. He's like, dude.

We have to end this podcast on that because we're literally out of time. We're at the three hour mark. We're at the three hour mark. Did we go over yet? Yeah, we slightly went over three hours,

so most of this is gone. Good night, everybody. Big kiss. Eddie, you were great. three hours, so most of this is gone. Good night, everybody. Good night. Big kiss. Eddie, you were great. I just rambled. No, you were great. Did you go,

you go like this? No, because when it gets dark, it goes like this.