The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 14, 2018

Episode Date: January 14, 2018

Joe sits down with Eddie Bravo, Jimmy Smith, and Bryan Callen to discuss the fights on January 14, 2018.

We're live guys. Oh is it live? Yeah. Boom. And we're live ladies and gentlemen. He wanted a picture quick. We're here with the great and powerful Jimmy Smith. Welcome to the UFC Jimmy Smith. Thank you so much. It's great to be here officially. Official. We wanted to talk about it last time when you were on the podcast but we had to dance around it. You and so many people wrote me and were like Joe really? I? I go, hey, man, Joe's a pro. You hinted well. We danced around it quite a bit. Nobody totally knew. And, of course, the great and powerful Eddie Bravo. Yo, yo, yo. Brian Callen's on the way, but he's bringing wine and cheese. He insists on wine and cheese.

He thinks he's at some fucking cocktail party where they're going to prepare scripts. That's Brian. He's got to have his wine and cheese. Duho Choi versus Jeremy Stevens is the main event. If you've never heard one of these podcasts before, this is a fight companion podcast, which means we're going to watch the fights.

Most likely we'll talk about the fights. But we might not. We could talk about whatever the fuck. Like, Eddie and I, we've gone through the entire podcast. We've never talked about the fight until the last round of the main event. But Missouri, Missouri Division of Professional. Oh, they're in Missouri.

Is this St. Louis? That's what it is, right? Yeah, and they haven't adopted the ABC rules. That's important. For the judging, at least. For sure. They haven't adopted those in Nevada, which is real weird. It's crazy.

Look how good Michael Johnson looks at 45. Eddie was saying that it's racist to say that, but I don't think it is. Look how shredded he is. Fantastic. Yeah, it's a good weight class for him. Yeah. I think, you know, just those Habib Nurmagomedovs, those giant 55s that could just grapple, fuck you, and beat your brains in.

He had enough of that. A monster fight. Yeah. He's like, that's about enough of this weight class. When people remember how much the other guy talked to Dana White while he was beating my ass like that's that's about enough of this weight class when people remember how much the other guy talked yeah to dana white while he was beating my ass that's that's bad yeah that's bad and he's a great fighter and that's what's so funny about it is well this was supposed to be the main event on the prelims but uriah hall and vitor belford fell out really unfortunately which is a fucking bummer apparently Uriah Hall was like on death's door trying to make weight.

But he had like gotten sick, I had heard, during training. He was having some real issues. He said his body shut down about three weeks out. A lot of people out here dealing with that fucking flu. And then Robert Foles, his coach, died. Yeah. Yeah, who was a great guy, by the way, if you ever met Robert. He was fantastic. But, you ever met Robert he was fantastic

But you know mentally was just going through a lot of stress. Yeah, and that'll that'll kill your cut too. Yeah, Robert killed himself yeah, and so did his brother it's such a Such a bum that guy's a nice fucking guy. Love this such a good dude such a bummer man. Yeah So instead this fight which was gonna be on the prelims I'm excited about this fight though because Darren Elkins is some sort of a different kind of human. That guy takes fucking punishment like nobody. Eddie Bravo looking for marijuana? No.

We have plenty of that. No. It's okay. No. This is a free world. We live in California. I don't drink anymore. At all?

Nope. That's it? No more drinking. Wow. No more caffeine. I'm on intermittent fasting. You don't drink anymore. At all? Nope. That's it? No more drinking. Wow. No more caffeine. I'm on intermittent fasting. You look good, dude. Your face looks good. You look slim. But I'm not

giving this away. Yeah, don't give that away. I mean, giving it up. Sorry. Giving it up. Don't give it up. Don't give it away. So how long has it been since the booze? I decided initially that I would only allow myself to drink like if I did a set somewhere or if I did

at the 10 planet holiday party I allowed myself to drink but that was the last time it's been about a month and a half since I've had a drink interesting how you feel I feel great you like it I don't need alcohol. No, you don't need alcohol. It just gets you in trouble.

Makes you say some shit. No more Indian. No more Indian. The Indian's out. Now you're smoking the peace pipe. Yeah. Yeah. No more Indians.

Jimmy Smith, you smoke the reefer? Every now and then. Every now and then. You know what's funny? Probably have a little puff just to celebrate. Yeah, just celebrate. But the thing to me is a little known personal fact. I've never had a drink in my life.

Ever? Ever in my life. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, most people don't know that. So what the fuck do you blame your fuck-ups on? Nothing.

I have no excuses for my behavior. That's terrible. None. Well, you know what? You've been hitting the head again. I have been hitting the head. Yeah, that's a good excuse. More than once, yeah.

None. Well, you know, you've been hitting the head again. I have been hitting the head. Yeah, that's a good excuse. More than once, yeah. Speaking of hitting the head, the world title, Steve Bay and Francis, they're showing the preview for it right now. Good fucking. That's going to be fantastic.

Googly moogly. I've never been more excited for a heavyweight title fight, ever. That's a freak. Oh, he's the freakiest of the freakiest. He's a one in a million athlete. Like, think there's three hundred and twenty million people in this country How many in Ghana's are there? If there's 300 I'd be fucking stunned I don't even think he's I think it's more than one in a million like a guy who's built like that

Six voices he's been training three years or something. There's probably a Six foot. He's been training three years or something? There's probably a whole shitload. Five years. Five years totally. Was homeless five years ago. Yeah. Yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Dude, worked in a sand mine as a kid. Like a goddamn character in a Robert E. Howard comic book. Like digging sand as a kid. Robert E. Howard. That's awesome.

He wrote Conan, by the way, guys. You're not a comic book dork. Just growing with his anger. Pushing that thing. Strength. Schwarzenegger pushing the log, the wheel forever, the grinder. I mean, what better workout is there for a young guy who wants to beat the fuck out of people than digging sand all day? Just carrying sand.

All back and legs and arms. I mean, think about how much strength is required to just fucking dig sand all the time. There's places that are called sandbox workouts or something like that. Have you heard about those? to just fucking dig sand all the time there's places that are they're called sandbox workouts or something like that you heard about those well you dig sand maybe they start doing that but maybe in ghanu opens up a chain of sand training or something but we were just talking about before before we got on headset um guys who are comfortable who have money who have another career have a fallback it's hard to be 100% committed. This dude was digging sand homeless. You're never more committed to winning.

If I don't win, I don't eat, man. And that motivation is the strongest, most powerful thing in the world when it comes to fighting. The crazy thing about that dude is he has so much to learn still. Five years of MMA training. I mean, his ground game is very rudimentary. He's just trying to stuff takedowns. He's freakish strong.

He's got real good training. He's at the UFC Performance Institute, so he's training with real good guys on a daily basis. But, man, I mean, a lot to grow. I was told he's there all the time. Yeah, he lives there practically. Look how shredded Michael Johnson is. Jesus Christ. He's fucking shredded at 45.

And Ghanou fought Fabrizio Wardun? No. No. No. He fought Arlovsky and then he knocked out Overeem and then they said, you got it. You got the title shot. When he put Overeem in orbit everybody was like, okay. This is the only fight anybody wants to see. That's awesome. I mean, who the fuck? And what a

story. And Stipe's run has cleared out a lot of guys. It's just that you need that fresh face. You need that knockout guy. And then Stipe's chasing history. Those things come together right at the right time. Isn't the crazy thing that history's only two title defenses? It's nuts. The entire history of the UFC's heavyweight division, it's only been defended

twice. No one's ever done it three times. Isn't that nuts? And it's the first title. First title was heavyweight. Think about that. That's crazy. That is crazy. Michael Johnson shredded. He's got a That is crazy. Michael Johnson shredded. He's got a fucking 36 pack. There's a lot of jealousy in your face. Can they see your face right now?

No, not jealousy. It's admiration. Just like, I just look so bad. Admiration and maybe a bit of want. I want to have abs like that. But I wouldn't say jealousy. I'm happy that he made the drop. Because I always felt like he was a little soft at 55.

I always felt like he should have looked like this. You know, I mean, this dude's lean as fuck. And he hits so hard and he's so fast. I think at 45 he's going to be a monster. I think this is a big move for him. I'm a big fan of this guy, man. You know, and he hurt Nurmagomedov in that fight, too. And he's the first guy to put Nurmagomedov in trouble.

People forget he starched Justin Poirier, KO'd him. Michael Johnson's a bad motherfucker. The problem when you get in there with a guy like Nurmagomedov and he beats your ass that bad, you're like, well, how the fuck am I ever going to beat this guy? Yeah. It'll move you. Yeah. Every major move, most major moves in MMA are due to a beat down.

They're due to usually getting manhandled by somebody who's natural at that weight class or big for that weight class. Or if it's not a move that way, it's a move to a new camp. It's like, I got to, you know, train for us a hobby or go to Matt Hume or go to one of the wizards. Someone who's going to revamp my shit. You see a lot of that, you know? But it's oftentimes too late.

It's such a crazy fucking sport because while you're training for a fight, you kind of have to be training for the fight. You can't really take too many chances and learn too much new shit. When you talk to trainers, old school guys, that's one of the things they say about Mike Tyson. He fought so much, he didn't develop enough. He just wasn't in the gym that much. He was fighting twice a month in his prime when he was younger. So here we go.

452, 51, 450, 449 are the first round if you're trying to sync it up. Michael Johnson and Darren Elkins. And Darren Elkins, here's a guy who made a big move when he went to Alpha Male. It's made a huge impact on him. He looks way more polished, way smoother the way he moves. You really saw that in the Mursad Bektik fight. That was a crazy fight because that was a fight where he was way underdog, like by a big margin for a good reason.

He's hurt already. He's getting hurt. Yeah, he's getting hurt. Yeah, he's getting tagged. Let's see if Michael Johnson goes after him before he stays patient. I always think whenever I see a guy at 35-45 from alpha male, I always think when they call them and go, well, we need a guy at 45, for you to get that call, you've got to be beastly because they have a lot of those guys. I mean, that's their whole team.

Oh, oh, Michael Johnson just tackled him again. He's fast, man. At 45, very fast. And he's rangy. He's getting good extension on his punches. Yeah, and at 45, he's going to be enjoying that even more. Good height reach of that. She just looks perfectly built for the weight class.

And he has a speed. A lot of people don't realize when you drop a weight class, those guys are a hell of a lot faster. And he has the speed to keep up with those guys. A lot of people don't realize when you drop a weight class, those guys are a hell of a lot faster. And he has the speed to keep up with those guys. A lot of them don't. Yeah. And I think he's probably going to be even faster at 45. Oh.

He dangled with that left hand. Leg went out on him. Oh. This is a good fight already. Oh, he tagged him again. Yeah, Elkins hasn't really figured it out. He's waiting on him. Well, he's just a step slower for sure and just not nearly as smooth a striker.

Elkins relies on his ability to take tremendous punishment in his heart and his endurance where he just never stops at this pace. And if you start to slip, ooh, sweet left hand. Problem is, that's a tough thing to rely on in this business. The way MMA is now. Oh, I'm a tough guy. Well, welcome to the club. Yeah.

There's like 500 tough guys in the UFC. It's tough. Shit, we got tough girls. Yeah, unbelievable. Fucking Holly Holm. How about that fight? Wow. The amount of punishment that she took against Cyborg.

Crazy. She kept getting cracked. So, Eddie Bravo, that's it for now for alcohol. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. I think that's a good move, man.

I'm happy for you. Thank you. It was doing nothing for me. What prompted it? if you don't mind me asking was there something that prompted it was just like no no i just found myself i just found myself going every night same thing i get home after training and i'll have a glass of wine and watch some netflix and there's been a lot of great shows lately so i've been finding myself drinking like three four times a week.

And then, you know, I go to the airport and I'm bored. I'll have a couple glasses of wine. And then just one day I thought, man, I'm turning into an alcoholic over here. What's going on? I was drinking because I was bored. Yeah. So I thought, too old for that shit, man. You know what I mean?

It's just bad for your body, man. It's just... Yeah, there's no need for it. I like a glass of wine with a meal, but man, every time I've gotten drunk, the next day I've just been disappointed with myself. Oh shit, Brian Callen's here, ladies and gentlemen, with wine and cheese, like some sort of a party. Hey, how you doing, man? You know Jimmy?

I love your podcast. No, I listen to you guys. Jimmy Smith, how you doing, man? You know Jimmy? Jimmy Smith, just met Brian Callum for the first time. La, la, la. Do we need a wine bottle opener here? Oh, Eddie doesn't drink anymore. And I don't drink either. There's only half. Yeah, we just got done talking about this.

This side of the table doesn't drink. We're just going to watch you get hammered and drunk. Never have. I can't handle red wine anymore. I'm getting older, but I got some good red wine. Jesus Christ. Everybody's complaining about getting older and not being able to handle booze. We're watching Darren Elkins and Michael Johnson here.

It's in the first round, and so far, Michael Johnson's looks smooth as butter. Dude, real nice. 145 pounds. Bam, that left hand's finding a home. Elkins is taking it on the chin, though. Elkins still in it. Now, once again, this is one of those maybe ABC, it's 10-8. Non-ABC would probably go 10-9.

Right. They haven't adopted new rules. Do you think that would be 10-8, though? No, but it could be. I'm not saying it is. Right. I'm saying with the new rules that they're just a lot more common. I think the actual rule, and please, someone out there, correct me if I'm wrong, if someone

clearly, if they win two aspects of the fight. Ooh, he just hit him with another left hand. And he's certainly landing the significant strikes. And he's the aggressor. Yeah. So you could... He certainly has a clear advantage, and I would like to see rounds like that. But, Jimmy, I think we need a better score system.

I think the 10-point system from boxing is goofy. I just don't think we need it. I think we need, like, a 100-point score system that takes into account submission attempts, takedown attempts, defense, takes into account leg kicks, knees, elbows, punches, all those things quantified. The impact of those techniques, how hard they're hitting, how close the choke is, how close the arm bar is,

how good the defense is. You know, like all those things should be taken into consideration. And I think we should have more than three judges. I think having three judges is fucking foolishness. Why three people? I think you have way more of a likelihood of having some bullshit decision if there's only three people. I think if you have 20 experts or people online. A little cheese?

A little cheese, buddy. Keep talking. I'm listening. 20 experts maybe. Maybe even open it up to people online. Like have a select few people. Wisdom of How about you really respect how about knockout only MMA? There's no point And if it goes the distance and they're still not a knockout they get each they get to cold cock each other back and forth

until someone gets knocked out. Eddie Bravo wants us to go back to ancient Rome, basically. Cold cock. Like a soccer match. I always felt soccer was crazy, that free kick at the end. It was just nuts. You worked so hard to get to a position. How cool would that be, knockout only?

Come on. That would be so ridiculous. You'd watch it, wouldn't you? Yeah, I would watch it. Have you seen that game in Afghanistan where they're on horseback on teams, and they essentially have a goat, a dead goat, and they play with whips, and the side that can get the goat into the goal is the winner?

Oh, Elkins gets the takedown. Horses die in that game. Oh, and goats, I'm sure. Plenty of goats. The goat is well dead. Wow. Elkins with the tak The goat is well dead. Wow. Elkins with the takedown here. This changes things.

We're going back to this goat thing. By the way, we're going back. I know this is the exciting part, but... I thought it was Darren Till at first. Oh, hammer fist by Elkins here. Yeah, he does kind of look like Till. Who, Elkins does? I don't know.

Elkins has fought in the UFC forever, and you're going to compare him to Till? Till just got here. I'm just saying his face. How dare you? I don't know. I'm kind of crazy like that. They need to get Darren Till a fucking fight. Jesus Christ. He's scary. He is scary. I was just watching the cowboy fight. I was just watching it.

Do you know Vinny? I had to study a lot this week. Oh, I'm sure. Because I watch UFC all the time, but there's a huge difference between watching fights and studying fights. And I've been studying. That's what I'm supposed to do basically all night tonight, but I'm here. Dude, I was thinking that when I knew that you got the gig, because I was like, if I had to call Bellator, I'd be fucked.

Yeah. There's too many people. I don't know who the fuck they are. Yeah, exactly. Jimmy, you want a little manchego cheese? I would't know who the fuck they are. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Jimmy, you want a little manchego cheese? I would love some cheese. That's fantastic.

I'll eat cheese when you won't drink your fucking dirty wine. I don't drink, but I'll have cheese. Well, the kid looks like he's in shape. I'll tell you that much. Which one? Elkins or? No, I'm talking about Jimmy here. Oh, Jimmy's in shape. Kid's got some arms on him.

He's a jujitsu black belt, my friend, for real. Black belch, poha. Yeah, I went back to training this week. Ooh, crucifix. Crucifix. Look at I went back to training this week really for the first time. Crucifix. Crucifix. Look at this. Mounted Crucifix for Elkins.

Oh. Look at this. Elkins gets the back. Three minutes to go. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Imagine if Elkins spoils the big 145-pound party for Michael Johnson. Would not be the first time.

It would not be the first time. You can't fucking sleep on this guy. He's such an animal. He has a better body, though. Oh! Oh, damn it. Oh, shit! Might have it.

Oh, he's under the chin! How'd that happen? Oh, shit! He's gonna go to sleep! It's over. He tapped! Oh! Damn!

Wow. Oh, Darren Elkins is a fucking savage! God damn, that dude's a savage. Took the punches and came back, man. Holy shit. Holy shit. Darren Elkins is a fucking savage. Woo.

He got teed off on in the first round. God damn, I want to come back. Yeah, Brian, you missed the teed part. That makes this finish so extraordinary. It's facial. It's just you can't count this guy out. He's just such a fucking mutant. He's such an animal. Look at this.

Takes the back. I was like, oh, I didn't want to get too excited. I was like, yeah, he got his back, but I don't want to get too excited here. Is this going to get crazy? That was a high-level move because some people would have jumped on the back and kind of just volunteered to be a backpack. Yeah. But he pulled him back.

That's a high-level move right there. What do you mean he pulled him back? He didn't jump on him. He pulled him back. He pulled him into his hips. Wow. Yeah. Because you jump on him, you're too high. Because people, he controlled him. He pulled him back. He pulled him into his hips. Wow. Yeah. Because if you jump on him, you're too high.

Because people... He controlled... Brought him in. Sometimes people, they feel when they jump on the back, they want to be on the back but on top, and they're trying to force being on the back on top. But it's way easier just to pull him back, and you're on their back, but you're on your back as well.

Some people feel uncomfortable there because if they spin, now they're on their back but you're on your back as well. Some people feel uncomfortable there because if they spin, now they're on your guard. But if you have a high level rear naked choke, you just take the easy route. Pull them back and just finish them off your back. That's a very hard thing to defend against because I see a lot of guys who defend for a long time. Look at the hips. If they show it again,

he had his hips all the way in and what happens is that stretches your core out. It's exhausting. It's exhausting but you also can't curl up and protect your neck. And he had the body triangle on the wrong side. He had the body triangle on the bottom. He still squoze his shit out. You can hold it.

You can keep it. It works. Fuck, man. Some people don't need to switch it. Yeah. Some people can really hold that thing. Well, I think for him, it was just like he had it. He's arched in his back.

He had it locked in. He wasn't going to give up that spot and try to switch legs. Fuck, that's amazing. Guys are getting really good at spinning inside of body triangles. There's technique to that. Really? Yep. What do you do?

If you can get their choking arm on the other side, like in a baseball grip, like I got your left arm on the side. And which side is the body triangle on? It doesn't matter. Now you just got to really focus on putting your shoulders on the mat and you're controlling his arm. And then you slowly, inch by inch, you turn your hips and you're losing it.

He still has the body triangle on, but inch by inch you're holding the wrist and you're turning around. Boom. And then one big explosion and you're in the guard. So the holding the two-on-one on the arm, the choking arm is big. Yes. The baseball bat. That's huge.

That's huge. Interesting. Otherwise, he's going to be all over your neck. When you do that, you freeze him. He's stuck. You had to know that somebody was going to come up with a technique to beat that or to try to mitigate that. Well, the technique really is

not letting it happen in the first place because in the very beginning in the very beginning of 10th planet like right away i was so into body triangles and doing d-sevs i wouldn't it's uh just a neck crank okay dance yeah yeah but uh but call them d-sevs but when anytime i would put on a body triangle I wouldn't even think about a rear naked choke anymore I'm like that's too hard I'm just gonna get on my side put you on your side and just connect my hands around your head somehow anyway and then I fall forward and I crush it's a D-Sav. Old move. Remember Beast? Yes.

Beast never rear naked choked anybody. He'd always get to the back, put a body triangle on, and go D-Sav on them. He didn't even know how to do a rear naked choke. What? He had gaping holes in his game. Anyways, what ended up happening was we were all about body triangles in the beginning. And they were so dangerous. Like if someone put a body triangle on me, I know I'm done.

If all you think about is a neck crank instead of the rear naked choke, you just focus on the D-sev, you don't need a rear naked choke. It's done-ski. So in the very beginning, the first defensive move when someone takes your back is always, always don't let them put the goddamn body triangle on. That was the first move. That's everybody's first move. Don't let it get. If he's got one, if he's got your back, don't let him get the hooks. If he has one hook, don't let him get two hooks. If he puts both hooks, you better not let him put a body triangle in.

And then, but you're also, you're also protecting against your neck. Yes, of course, of course. But there's things you do. Like what you end up doing is as soon as someone takes your back, you put him in like a reverse quarter guard. You trap one of his legs and you escape from that. That way there's no body triangle ever going to happen. So if that is your first move, it's in your DNA where someone takes your back and you take his leg out the mix because you're already worried about that body triangle.

Then the body triangles become very hard to get. Really, really hard to get. When the guy whose back has been taken, if that is his focus on stopping that, it's very hard to put it in. So what ended up happening for 10th Planet is we went away from the body triangles because i saw that damn i'm not going to focus all this time on the d-sevs when um there's gonna most of the time we're not even getting the body triangle so we got to focus on rear naked chokes with just the leg hooks and just like marcelo garcia so we shifted away from the body triangle and i wanted everyone to focus on just good old-fashioned traditional rear naked choke with both hooks in and get really good from there.

And the body triangle and the D set, that's like extra. Don't rely on it. But what ended up happening is everyone's first defensive move, it wasn't attack one of his legs and put it in reverse quarter guard. We went away from that because the necessity wasn't there anymore. Do you follow me? Am I losing you? No, I understand what you're saying.

It just shows how complex jiu-jitsu is. And you're constantly having to make these adjustments and reanalyze positions. Now we're going way back because VBI overtime, where we start guys on their back in our shootout overtime rounds, the game has grown so much just from getting good at those rounds, just spending a lot of time at dissecting the offense, the armbar position, and the rear naked choke. The essence of jiu-jitsu. Have you considered any other positions that you would allow people to do other than those

two? Those two are good enough? Yeah. People will suggest, why don't you have a mount one or whatever. Just nice and super crazy basic something that everyone could agree on if you're gonna have a shootout in jujitsu it's got to be rear naked choker arm bar that's it yeah yeah in other words you can't start there you start there in overtime yeah in overtime you start from do you know what spider web is like you get a guy

inside an arm bar position and you you hook one of the arms and he's defending. Okay, so you're not in an arm bar, but you've got... The guy's defending it, but you have the arm bar. And you start from there. He's got his defense. It's just not extended. You've got one of them hooked. And the back is we start with a seat belt in with two leg hooks and you're sitting on your butt.

We start right there. We go, ready, go. Have you seen combat jiu-jitsu? No. Dude, Eddie Bravo came up with the greatest idea of all time. Combat jiu-jitsu. It's regular jiu-jitsu, but you get to smack the shit out of each other. So they're open palms striking each other in the face.

It's similar, but it's only on the ground. Only on the ground. It's only when it goes to the ground. Damn. So on the ground, well, Wagner Rocha, right? Wagner Rocha. Wagner Rocha. He was the first guy to stop a guy that way.

Yeah, TKO in jiu-jitsu. And he's using his palms like Boss Rooten used to in Panic Race. Just fucking dropping him down, slamming him home. Wow.

Yeah. And it opens up. It makes Jiu Jitsu more realistic because there's certain positions that you're so exposed. If the guy smacks you

in the head, smacks you in the nose, smacks you in the eyes, you're just not going to stay in that spot. Or there's going to be guys that are training smacks. They're going to get really good at it. Guys are going to be able to take guys out with smacks you in the nose and smacks you in the eyes. You're just not going to stay in that spot. There's going to be guys that are training smacks. They're going to get really good at it.

Guys are going to be able to take guys out with smacks. 99.9% of the guys that are down for combat jiu-jitsu, I've got a long list of people who wanted it. All of them have MMA experience. Only one guy, only one guy, Ben Eddy, one of my brown belts. He's the only dude who never even thought of MMA, never even thought of it, and he wanted to do it because his guard is probably top three in the world. I've never seen any.

We talked about him last podcast, that guy, with the Hindu low team, Ben Eddy. So he's the only one, and he went against Wilson Hayes, who had, in combat jiu-jitsu he's automatically ranked number one right you know what i mean legit black belt top of the phenomenal jiu-jitsu fighter just fought demetrius johnson possibly the greatest fighter ever you know what i mean now he's he was in combat jiu-jitsu and he went against a good idea though because i went i watched the ebi in austin I was one of the color guys.

You know, it was fun. And I didn't know what I was looking at as much, you know, obviously, because I don't know enough about jiu-jitsu. That was on an invitation. It was so incredible because I watched those guys. And I'm telling you, from my untrained eye, I couldn't even see when they were tapping the dudes. Like, they were doing things that didn't. It looked like he was doing nothing. And I was like, what happened?

What did he get them on? I didn't know. What did he tap them on? I couldn't figure it out and then but but the one thing I noticed that pure jiu-jitsu practitioners those competition guys who are amazing that can do things they're they they're because there's zero striking it's true that you get in you get in very bad habits if you ever try to get into an MMA fight yeah you know well you see that a lot of times you used to see that more often with leg locks right guys would go for leg locks and they'd be in a weird position and they'd get smashed go

old school ian freeman and frank meir remember that that was like one of the first times that happened tim silvia cafe dantes that was another one so you say dude you went bro but are you saying that leg locks are getting beat up who I don't know who's deeper. Which one is deeper there? It might be the same historical genre. Same historical genre, but it was a less popular fight. Much less popular. I love caffeine. I like that.

So leg locks are not used as much because you can get punched in the face? No. You're almost always giving up position to get a leg lock. You're almost always sitting back to get a leg lock. So I can sit up and punch your head through the ground. It's also, always be careful. You're committing your legs and two arms usually to a leg.

Guys are just punching you in the face while you're doing that. In the Ian Freeman fight, Ian Freeman was locked up in a heel hook and Frank Mir was cranking on his heel and Ian just steps in and just starts clanging him off his jaw. Joaquin Hanson, Romino Sato.

That's a great one, too. That might be one of the better ones. That was an amazing one. Holy shit. Yeah, there's been a gang of those where guys were overcommitted. Yeah, and we had to learn. They're risky. They're risky. But the state of the leg lock game these days is way different than those guys that were trying to pull off leg locks back then.

So much faster. Even Romina Sato, even that level, he was considered one of the best leg lockers back then. But the level today in leg locks is way beyond that. It's way beyond it. What the guys at DDS have done, I mean, they've taken the leg lock game. I mean, it's beyond Sambo. It's beyond catch wrestling. DDS being Donaher Death Squad.

Yeah, Donaher Death Squad. John Danaher. He'll be here. John will be here tomorrow at 8 a.m. Oh, he will? Yeah, we're doing a podcast. Early morning podcast. Did you, have you,

I was talking to Chael about the last Abu Dhabi, and he told me a story. I was laughing my ass off They did the rules meeting And they said No controversies We want three distinct taps And everybody goes

I need to walk out of here You don't have time To do this anymore Even three of these, you're risking an ACL. He goes, everybody look at each other like, we're all agreeing to not do that.

Like, all the people were like, okay, if I tap, let me go, dude. Fuck this rule shit. Let me go.

And yeah, and Chell's like, I got caught, and I just went, and the guy let me go. Damn. But like, he goes,

Yeah, because it can just destroy your knee for life. Everything in your knee will go, dude. Everything. Nah, that's not. Ooh, because it can just destroy your knee for life. Everything in your knee will go, dude. Everything. No, that's not. Ooh, it's so bad. That's a myth.

So bad. That's not that bad. I've seen horrible shit. I've seen dudes get their shoulders wrecked with Kimuras. Yeah. True, too. Yeah. No, it's all true.

It's all true. True. But I'm saying. Nasty. I know where you're coming from with the leg lock thing. People have gotten their knees fucked up with leg locks. But it's not as common as you think. He barely walked.

Holy shit. No. Well, you know, though, it's good to see him out of the wheelchair. And apparently he's recovering. I don't. He got hit by a train, man, which is crazy. I mean, most people would be dead. Makes me want to cry.

Yeah. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Wow. Dude, it's just great that he's alive. I'm looking at him going, fuck, look at him walking. He's going to come back. He's coming back.

We shot Warrior together, and the last thing he said to me, we had a scene together, and this was a week later. He got hit. He said, he goes, I hope I can put my shoes on when I'm older. Fucking makes me want to. Yeah, man. a lot of guys. It's good to see him, though. I've been Dana hugging it out.

A lot of guys think that way. Because he was worried about it. He was talking about head trauma. He said he worries about it, you know? And then he gets hit by a train. Oh, he should, man. Everybody should fucking worry about it. I mean, it's something that has to be taken into consideration.

I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. But fuck. Yeah. He's a good guy. be taken into consideration. I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. But fuck. Yeah. He's a good guy. He is a good guy. He's a very good guy. And one of the most important figures in the history of the sport,

when you break down what he was, he represented, like, a powerful wrestler that embraced submissions. Remember he caught that far side armbar on George St. Pierre? Like, he was one of the first guys that was, like, a real strong wrestler that had very high-level submission skills. He was a huge leap in the sport. Yeah.

He was. He beat Hoyes Gracie on the ground. I took his fashion. He was one of the first real top-level athletes. Stud. You know what I mean? Like a stud athlete. Yeah.

There are a lot of guys that way. Well, I'm glad he's okay, and it's nice to see him walking around. That is good, man. All right, so we're going to go to Kamaru Usman and Emil Mech. I love this fight. Me too.

Nobody wants to fight Usman. Nobody. He's a beast. Everybody's running from that dude. That guy's a smashing machine. I mean, he is a fucking tank of a human being.

But this Emil Mech guy, talk about leg locks, he got his way into the UFC by knocking out Toquino. He smashed him and some other organization. Wait, isn't he fighting the Valhalla guy? Yeah, that's Emil Mech.

Emil Mech is the crazy Viking guy. He's a fucking animal. He's so shredded, it's stupid. But Kamaru Usman, top of the food chain wrestler, super athlete, just a tank of a man who everybody's running from, just running from.

Nobody wants a piece of him. When you talk about top 10 guys, he's the guy that nobody's mentioning. There's a special thing, I think, in MMA and combat sports period is there are guys who are great, and then there are guys who are frightening, where nobody... Another good example is Toquino, Paul Yars. Even when he was a fringe top 10 guy, people were like, I don't want anything to do with that dude. I don't want to be anywhere near him. I'd rather have a GSB who's better but won't hurt me like Toquino will rip your leg in half and just have no idea what he's doing.

Man, I feel like he did some bad things in the UFC. He definitely held on to submissions, but I feel like he got a bad deal when he got fired. When he got kicked out of the UFC, the submission that he held, I watched it and I say, that was not egregious. And that was a normal thing for anybody else. Yeah, it certainly wasn't his worst. It was like the fourth time that they had said,

hey, don't respect the tech. The other ones were horrible. Other ones were worse. But it was just, it was a straw to me. It was a straw. The Jake Shields fight was like... Fucking crazy. And I thought the refereeing in that was terrible. Crazy. I mean, that was in World Series of Fight.

He kept gouging his eyes. He was literally. That cheater. I'm sorry, man. I lost all respect for him when he was doing that. Shields looked at Raph and was like,

dude, he keeps gouging my eyes. You see his eye afterwards? I would have kicked him out of the. Well, you have to. And then he held onto the Kimura. It's tough to,

yeah, and then Jake hit him after he tapped him with the Kimura because he wouldn't let go of the Kimura? It's tough to under... Yeah, and then Jake hit him after he tapped him with the Kimura because he wouldn't let go of the Kimura. But if you go back and... I mean, I'm not giving the guy an excuse, but you want to find out about his childhood. His childhood was horrific.

He was working on a farm when he was like a little boy. He has a giant scar on his chest because he got slashed open and they just tried to tape it up and glue it together. They never brought him to the hospital. I mean, he literally would eat pig slop. He had no food. Jesus. And just worked on a farm.

And then as he got older, made his way into Rio and then found Minotauro School and started learning jiu-jitsu. Just a tank from farm work, from being a boy, having to work. He needs to fight in Ghanu. He's scared as well as scary. You know what I'm saying? I mean, a kid that's growing up in that horrific environment like that, who knows what kind of abuse he suffered. Who knows how his brain developed and all that stuff.

But definitely was in danger and fearful from the time he was very young. And he was in a position where he was struggling for his life, like for survival, in a way that weak bitches like us... We don't understand. We don't understand. We're so soft. He might have no... Obviously, he probably has impulse control, all kinds of issues.

It's an animal in a lot of ways. But if you look at the Avalon fight that he had in Abu Dhabi, where they're rolling out and he's holding onto a heel hook. Oh, it was horrible. And the refs stop, stop, stop, and he won't stop. And Avalon stop. Yeah. And Adeline's freaking out. But that was also that terrible situation where they restarted him with him holding

it. And it was done. Yeah. Which you never can do. You just can't do. Yeah. You can't, particularly with heel hooks. No, you can't.

You cannot say, ready, set, go. Because you've got to assume that the guy's securing that in the middle of a scramble. You've got to be in motion. Right. There's also, you can't just start him. Because he's going to rip it. You gotta be in motion. Right.

There's also, you can't just start him because he's going to rip it. But the thing was about the mental state is, you know, they stop and Avalon is furious because he wouldn't let go of this heel hook. And like, Toquino's trying to like hug it out. And they're trying to explain to him, no, no, you were supposed to let go. And it was almost like he didn't quite get what was going on. It took a while. If you watch that, it took a while for them to explain it to him. He gets into the frenzy of it, maybe.

I don't know, man. I don't know, dude. You could also make the argument that he's playing dumb. I don't know him. I don't know the guy. But if that was my student, that he was tearing apart like that, I would say, this guy's fucking playing dumb. He knows he's not supposed to rip your leg apart like that.

That ref, though, what's his name, with the Jake Shields fight, you see him, you're watching him. It was a Steve Mazzagati fight if I remember correctly. Was it Mazzagati? It was Mazzagati. You don't see him digging into his eyes like that? You're a ref and you don't see that? Both of his eyes were all red and it was crazy. Oh, that was awful.

I'm never critical, but there's just no excuse for that bullshit. That was awful. He did a seminar because he's top team, and I was top team in Long Beach. I'm Carlson Gracie and everything. And my coach calls me, and he says, I wasn't in town at the time, and he goes, oh, Toquino's doing a seminar. You should come by for this leg lock seminar or whatever.

I remember thinking, I'd want to learn the leg locks. I don't know if I'd get on a mat with that dude. Like, I want him to show me stuff, but if he's like, I'm going to demonstrate. Come here. I'd be like, I don't know if I'd get on a mat with that dude. I want him to show me stuff, but if he's like, I'm going to demonstrate, come here, I'd be like, I don't know if I want to. That's when you bring in one of them old school Gracie Bubba dummies. Dude, yeah, he would bring those dummies and go, show me on that guy.

Isn't it a little, it's different though, when it's just a straight grappling match, yeah, come on, you're not trying to, no one's trying to break anybody's bones here. But, it's a little bit different in MMA when your opponent has no problem trying to put his fist through your skull. Through your skull. It's a fight. He would love it if he kicked you right in the head and broke your fucking orbital bone.

He would love it and no one would ever talk shit on him. But if you crank a heel hook and you tear their tendon a little bit, then you're the fucking bad guy. But it's also, he doesn't— No, I think it's stop when the guy's tapping. You know what I'm saying there? You stop when the guy's tapping. You have to respect the tap.

So you're trying to break my skull. I'm trying to break your tendon. 100%. What's the difference? But once again, the guys who hit the ground, the refs just stop, and they're still trying to hit him? Can you imagine a guy— Fuck that guy. It's the same thing. You've got to stop punching when the referee gets But once again, the guys who hit the ground, the refs just stop, and they're still trying to hit him? Imagine a guy. Fuck that guy.

It's the same thing. You've got to stop punching when the referee gets in your way, period. Yeah, but what about in situations like Dan Henderson and Bisping? He didn't like Bisping. Think about this. Oh, yeah, he was trying to hurt him. Fighters know when a guy is fucking done. Yeah.

He hit Bisping so hard. For sure, Dan Henderson knew he was done. But the ref was like 15 yards away so Dan Henderson knew he's like damn I got a free shot check this out it makes highlight reels I like it

I like it if you don't respect the stop of the fight it's just a tendon it's not that big these two are as musclecled as you get. Does this make you feel uncomfortable about your own body when you watch these guys? Yes, it does. Because they basically weigh what you weigh.

Or they weighed in. Yeah, they weighed in what you weighed in. It's the fucking reason I'll never ultimately be happy. Because you're not built like that? That's exactly right. And I would never wear clothes. I would always be in shorts like that. You would have like a hoodie opened up all the way.

That's right. You'd walk down the beach with no shirt on. I'd be that guy 100%. I'd wear a scarf around my neck. I'd have all kinds of stuff. He'd have a book in his back pocket that was all dog-eared, but he really never read it. That's true. That was my rap.

Sit down, Jack Carrow. You know what would help you in these moments? You'll appreciate this, because we were talking about Bobby Fischer last time. Yes. That same documentary. Yes. Bobby Fischer Against the World you have to watch. That's a great documentary.

Yeah, but remember when the guy says, imagine all the things you did as a kid after school and before school, and imagine all of that's filled up with chest study, and that's all you did. So you can complain. You're right. I'm not that guy, but you're sitting here drinking wine and cheese. That dude's in the gym.

You are correct. Like all the stuff I do that doesn't have anything to do with getting yoked, I get to do all that stuff. You are correct. That's the, I mean, that's all, you know, why aren't I as good at grappling as Hicks and Gracie? Think of all you did while Hicks and Gracie was on a mat. And just trolling.

You were doing other stuff. That's what I like about life. That's the only way to think about it. Gracie to me is one of my all-time favorite grappling characters, not just because he's the all-time greatest Gracie, but also because he incorporated yoga. He was so outside the box. He's doing what a lot of jiu-jitsu guys are doing now, incorporating yoga.

MMA guys incorporate yoga. The nutrition, too. You and I watched Choke together, I think, for the first time. I remember. That's how far we went back. We wanted to do push-ups. Look at this. Jump around. Look at this. You and I watched Choke together I think it was for the first time. I remember that's how far we back. We wanted to do push-ups. Look at this. Jump around. Look at this. Look at each other. These guys are...

Who was the last guy Meek fought? That's a good question. I think you pronounce it Meck. I think it's Emil Meck. He's a straight up Viking. 100%. And you've got a West African warrior over here From Nigeria

What's going to be interesting is If Mech can stuff the tank down Can he stuff the tank down Came out drunken monkey for a second It came out nice and low Couldn't stop it for literally a second Got the neck Oh shit

And full guard Oh And full guard. Oh, shit. Oh, Kamaru. Well, that's not good, is it, guys? Well, now here's the question. He's trying to put pressure on his right side. How much does he burn himself out here? Does he go for it?

Or does he let it go, and this beast is on top of him, dropping elbows? Is this man okay here? Well, arm ends are harder to finish. See how his arm ends? Arm one end is a lot harder to finish. Right now, I would say he's fine. He doesn't have it by now. Yeah, he's trying to put all his weight on his right side.

It all depends on his squeeze. I don't know how good his squeeze is. Oh, he's tightened down now. I mean, because he's got full guard. This is a great position. Is it? Yes, it's great. If you know how to finish it, yeah.

He's deep. He's under that chin, man. That doesn't look good. That's not good. Oh, he's way lighter now. Way lighter. Look at all that air. See all that air?

Yeah. He's giving up on it. He's popping out. He's popping out right now. And Emil's going to try to step up. Oh, he's trying to get that. Kamaru's going to hold him down. And now.

Oh, I don't like that. Now head and arm. Kamaru taking him to the cage. Interesting. He's got to pass to get the head and arm. Kamaru taking him to the cage. Interesting. He's got to pass to get the head and arm. It won't work from guard. Okay. Yeah.

But maybe with that fence, there's something there. You know what I mean? Right. Maybe he puts enough energy into it. He just had him, but not. The first time I've ever seen him. But if he could just pass one leg and hold his position, if he can get to half guard and just keep this upper body,

if that's what he's trying to do. Yeah, if he can pass to half, he can do it. Usman's wrestling pedigree is what? Good question. Jamie, see if you can yeah. Usman's wrestling pedigree is what? Good question. Jamie, see if you can pull up Usman's wrestling pedigree. I'm pretty sure he's NCAA All-American. Yikes. And more than that, I think maybe two years.

I'd have to remember, go over my notes. Look at that. He wants the back. Ooh, stepping back up. Stepping up, though. Nigeria had an Olympian in Daniel Igalia, who went to Canada and then won gold medal in 2000. He's trying to take the back here. As far as I know, there's not a lot of great wrestling out there.

Three-year All-American D2. Yeah. Three-year All-American Division II. All right. Cool. And what university? University of Nebraska at Kearney. Ah.

Same as Ellenberger. That's where Ellenberger went. Ooh, he's going for the Kimura. Look at this. Yeah. Look at this. Oh, boy. Interesting. Interesting. Look at this. Oh, boy. Interesting.

Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Oh, he's got it in low. He's got it nice and low. He's got to really turn his hips, though. Yeah. And the fence is getting in the way a little bit.

Okay. He's defended it. Nice. Still controlling that wrist, though. Doesn't want to let it go. Interesting. Can't get that arm over. Going back to it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's Can't get that arm over. Going back to it. Yeah. It's a lot of muscle feels. If this goes later, it'll be interesting to see. Well, it's also this. Yeah, it's a lot of tension on the muscles. Have you been wrestling for a long time or are you used to it? We're talking about Kamaru and Nigerian wrestlers. I mean, where is Emil from?

Iceland? What's Viking? Norway? What is that? What's he from? Greenland, Iceland. Norway. The flag was Norway.

Denmark. Norway. I think. Sweden. Where is he from, though? He's from... We're going to find out. Jamie said...

Look at this. This is a battle, baby. This is a battle. You got a couple of... Kamaru Usman. Nice. Oh. What an establish.

Establish that domination. From Norway. Norway. Nice. Oh. I want to establish. Establish that domination. From Norway. Norway. Norway. Norway. Bunch of fucking tough people in Norway. He's got his nails painted. I like that his toenails are painted.

I appreciate it very much. Frank Trigg. They're painted. He worships the devil. Ah, sure. He's probably a druid. Druid? What? It's a male witch. What? I the devil. Ah, sure. He's probably a druid. Druid? What?

It's a male witch. What? I thought that was a warlock. They're experts at potions. Can you imagine a... I love how the what is like, I don't know what a druid is. It's more that you're calling him a druid. A druid's not a male witch, but a druid is...

I can't believe somebody who's into magic and... Emil Mech, back up. Emil Mech's standing up. Yeah, but here's the thing. You can't keep somebody who's into magic and... Emil Mech, back up. Emil Mech's standing up. Yeah, but here's the thing. You can't keep Usman off him. The question is whether or not Usman can continue this pace and keep doing this. His mouth is closed. He seems to be breathing pretty...

But how's Mech going to feel once he gets free? Because you're holding your weight and the other guy's weight, which sucks. Who's more burnt out here? Who's going to be more burnt out? I mean, we're likely looking at the end of the first round where Kamaru controls him and does most of the control, but really didn't get much off. Oh, that's a mistake. Keep your head there.

Headlock. Keep your head there. Headlock. Don't turn. What do you do? You push. Okay. I want to keep him square.

I want to keep that in front of you. Okay. Who's Emil Mech training with? I was just going to ask that. I'd like to see his jiu-jitsu. With Thor? In Valhalla. Valhalla?

Oh, nice. Right. I watched Star Wars today. How was it? I haven't seen it yet. It was like a Disney Star Wars movie. Yeah. It's like everything's super diversified.

The characters are all black and Asian women and there's women that are generals. The women are running things. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

It's like Game of Thrones. No, no, no. Oh! A little after the bell action there. It just, it was okay. That was a get off me movie. It was a fun movie. It was fun.

But it was just like, it got Disney-fied. It's like they just boiled all the bacteria off of it. Did it get Marxist? Well, it's just, you know, I like a strong female character, but I don't want to think that this is like a calculated move for you to create a strong female character. But it is a calculated move.

But I don't want to notice that I know Do you know I'm saying I play somebody told me that about the black mirror somebody complain They said oh all the fucking heroes in this season's black mirror all women like if you watch the black mirror And that's what you're concentrating on you're an asshole Is that fucking shows amazing? Nobody gives a fuck That fucking show's amazing. It's amazing.

It's astonishing. Nobody gives a fuck if there's women in the lead or men in the lead. It's just a phenomenal show. It gives me anxiety. It's astonishing. I want to turn it off halfway through. I haven't seen this. My wife won't watch it with me anymore. I haven't seen this season, though.

This season's the greatest ever. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. Metalhead. Metalhead about the dogs. It's crazy. Here we go. Round two. Watch out now. Don't be getting taken down. Let's see if Matt. Oh, he's amazing. It's amazing. Metalhead. Metalhead about the dogs. Metalhead was crazy. All right, here we go.

Round two. Watch out now. Don't be getting taken down. Now, let's see if... Oh, he's going right to head kicks. But here's the thing. Does Usman get tired? Does he get tired after all that grapple fucking? He doesn't look tired to me.

Doesn't look tired. Doesn't look tired. Is Mech tired? Oh, front kick to the body. Mech, I like the fact that he's still throwing kicks even though he got taken down and dominated on the ground. He's trying to set something up. Oh, and another hard kick to the arms.

Not fun. Not fun to take those if you're holding tie pads. Don't you have to be careful about catching the top of your foot on those elbows? I was not thinking about that. Yeah, that can suck.

Once again, if you're thinking about it... He's thinking about slamming that shin into those fucking forearms and making them useless. Oh, he hurt him! He hurt him with that making them useless. Oh, he hurt him. He hurt him with that spinning back fist. Damn. He hurt him.

Elbow. That was a very nice spinning back fist. Very nice. Oh, ducked under that hand. Get out of there, son. Oh, here we go. All right. Somebody's going to.

Oh, he's reaching a little bit now. He's reaching a little bit. Oh, there he gets it. There he gets it. Better let it go, son. Better get reaching a little bit. Oh, there he gets it. There he gets it. Better let it go, son. Better get out of there. Get out of there, Mech. Interesting, though.

Usman does not want no part of that fucking stand-up. Nope, I don't think so. Not enjoying it. Nope. Doesn't want to be throwing bones with a Viking. That's a long history of fucking people up. Where did he wrestle? He, Nebraska, Kearney. Nebraska, Kearney. Got that whizzer. That's a long history of fucking people up. Where did he wrestle?

Nebraska, Kearney. Nebraska, Kearney. He's got that whizzer. D2. He's got that whizzer. Ooh. Ooh, good left hand by Usman. Bad move going over the head. Almost hit the back.

Should have kept that whizzer, right? Should have kept it. Damn. Interesting how to score this, right? Because Usman, when he gets it to the ground He's been not able to do anything He controls him, but he's not getting anything off And it's Mecca who went for the submissions in the first round

Mecca went for the submissions And clearly Usman does not want to stand with him He's trying to bring this into his realm Stand up, stand up Well, stand up without giving up your back. Yeah, he doesn't want to stand up too high and get the hooks in. So it's about guarding your hips and standing up at the same time. That's also why you see he's got his right hip pressed nice and square.

He's trying to keep that left hook, or the right hook rather, from getting in. And he's back up again. Interesting. Trying to separate those arms. A lot of battle in here. A lot of fucking physical war. This is going to be, in a lot of ways, like who's going to be the fitter fighter.

Yeah, it is. But that neck keeps standing up. Yeah, and again, going for that Kimura. Kimura, come on. Got to watch it. And that's the commitment to the hips. Oh, see, he's going to it. Going for it.

He's too close to the fence. Yeah. Too close to the fence and doesn't really have anything going on with his legs. He likes it, though though he's holding it that's his shit he's a muscle dude that's a real muscle move

it's funny Marcelo Garcia doesn't use Kimuras but his body isn't on the right side to do anything with that Kimura I find that amazing it does take a lot of commitment with the hips to get a Kimura. Generally speaking. Are you a black belt?

Yeah. You've fought too, right? Yeah. What are you going to say? Kimuras, I think what Marcelo means by that is that Kimuras definitely work. Yeah, they certainly do. There's elaborate systems around Kimuras. Kimuras are fucking work. Yeah, they certainly do. There's elaborate systems around Kimura's. Kimura's are fucking huge.

Oh, yeah. But I see what he says, because if you're going to go with someone who has 20, 30 pounds on you, Kimura's not going to work. Look at these elbows from the bottom. And also, that's the guy who's saying, with all the options I have,

I wouldn't necessarily... I mean, he's got a lot of other options. He's not sitting there thinking just about the Kimura. He has a lot of options every time he attacks. He goes for wrists a lot. So I think it's just the harder way to go with all the options he has. That's another way to look at it. It makes sense, though.

He says he wants to spend time working on submissions and only time, like all his time, that work on big guys. Chokes. Yeah. Chokes. He went open division at North Carolina. Abu Dhabi all the time. He just wants to get good

At stuff that works On bigger guys If it doesn't work On bigger guys He doesn't want to Spend time And he had a leg lock game too He submitted Rico Rodriguez

With a Yeah I remember that Abu Dhabi After he slammed him Yeah that was That was dark That was dirty But that's what

Jacare did to him Remember He got him to Kimura Because I'm bigger, I'm stronger. Lock him down. Get rid of his mobility and go for the Kimura. I remember that. It was quick.

Fast. That was a good submission. Okay, Mech on the bottom here, man. Starting to get cut up, too. Yeah. Well, he got some good elbows off from the bottom, and then Kamaru started smashing on him. He was angry. When you're on top of somebody for this long, though, is that scored as control?

Yeah. You're in the dominant position. And also, your strikes count for more. So when it comes to significant strikes, your strikes are more significant, basically. Yeah, and clearly Usman wants to keep the fight to the ground. Clearly, Mech wants to get up, and he can't. So it shows dominance of position. It shows the ability to execute your game. Did they just? Oh, okay. That was the end to the ground. Clearly, Mech wants to get up, and he can't. So it shows dominance of position. It shows the ability to execute your game.

Did they just? Oh, okay. That was the end of the round. Very interest. Yeah, I've been looking forward to somebody challenging Usman. So you see some vulnerabilities in the stand-up. Yeah. See a little bit of that in Mech being a strong, dangerous guy.

But you also see Usman's strengths, his ability to keep fights going down. See a little bit of that in Mech being a strong, dangerous guy. But you also see Usman's strengths, his ability to keep fights going down. Now, what kind of cheese is this? Do you get raw cheese? Are you one of those fellas? Yeah, this is a beautiful aged manchego. That is good cheese. Have more. I will admit.

Is it raw? Is this raw cheese? I don't know. You don't know. But it's a beautiful. Do you get it at Whole Foods? It's the best manchego I've ever had. Thank you, mama.

Ooh, that's really good you see what it is? I don't play around when it comes to cheese you do not dude I don't play around in general that's some good

goddamn cheese you ever have a good vegan cheese? no do they exist? yeah they're cashew cheese you can kiss my ass with that stuff

really? yeah it's not cheese stop reinventing the wheel what is it then? that drives me crazy they make it out of cashews and stuff. But is it like a valid substitution? I'm being dramatic, actually. I'm kidding. You aren't. I don't know. You're serious. My wife eats it. Here we go. Round three. Dun, dun, dun. Do you say, get the fuck out of my face with that shit

when you see her eating it? Do you scream? Do you yell into the kitchen? Get the fuck out of my face with that shit right now. I'm just curious. Take that communist stuff out of my fucking mouth. Interesting. Both guys look pretty good in this third round.

Eddie, you're a vegan now, right? I'm trying to keep my mouth away from the mic. Oh, no. No. You look good either way. That's all I know. Thank you.

Eddie doesn't age. Well, especially now off the booze. He does not age, man. Your face looks better. Thank you. He's 85 years old. How old are you? 47 not age, man. Your face looks better. He's 85 years old. How old are you?

47. Damn, man. You look young. Thank you. You really do. Oh, nut shot. Boom. Toes caught it.

Kind of. Not that bad. Not your butt like that. Oof. All right. He's doing that weird drop thing that never works. You know what's funny is a lot of people complain online. You know, fans are like, oh, that wasn't a bad shot.

A lot of times the ones that don't look bad slam the cup right into your nuts. And they're the worst. The grazing shots are sometimes the worst ones. They shift the cup. It's so nice that a cup actually causes more problems. Yeah, you've got to get those goddamn compression cups like Diamond MMA. They have that compression short with a cup that keeps everything locked in and tight. That's what you want.

Our boy is scoring with these shots. You hit him with a hard shot to the body and a good right hand behind it. It's interesting because if you look at who did damage, clearly Usman got off some of the damage in that first round. But you can't discount all this No you cannot Don't go back to the ground Come on let me see this slugfest

Hammering with those elbows Travis Brown Uh oh he's going down son He's probably Not going to be able to get up Damn it here we go again He's working for that head and arm choke again, but again. He's stuck in full guard Seems rudimentary

Yes past Seems like he's just kind of trying to hold that spot with that left arm trapped But he doesn't really have a real option Meeks an animal though. He is an animal but an trapped, but he doesn't really have a real option. Meek's an animal, though. He is an animal, but... He's an animal. But he's fucked here. Oh, nice! Nice! Right back to it. Oh, Usman, right back on him. That's Usman's happy place, boy.

That pressure's crazy. He didn't want none of that. That's a switch! Old school switch! Old school wrestling switch, man. Good luck. Yeah, but you're not gonna get that on. You gotta get that right away. Usman's just got such a big advantage with the switch. Old school switch. Old school wrestling switch, man. Good luck. Yeah, but you're not going to get that on. You got to get that right away. Usman's just got such a big advantage with the wrestling. Interesting.

Very interesting. Ouch. That's got to hurt. So you see how strong Usman's wrestling is, but you also see vulnerability. Yeah. Definitely see vulnerability in the stand-up. I don't think it's going to be as hard for him to get fights now. I'll tell you that.

He'll be able to get a few guys that'll step in. And he's fighting a strong guy, but he isn't fighting a tricky guy that's going to cut a lot of angles and throw weird stuff at him. Because he's reached a few times those takedowns, and the guy hasn't had the speed to really make him pay for it.

Him versus Mike Perry would be very interesting. Him versus Darren Till would be interesting. That would be horrific. In other words. I think me versus Terry. Big advantage for the stand-up for Till. Right, that's what I mean. Big advantage.

Darren Till is a wizard. He's going to be, I think, I don't know what his wrestling is like against a guy like Tyron or something, but I don't know how he stops that. But if he does have great takedown defense, I think he's going to walk through that division, not walk through it. Well, you saw almost immediately in the cowboy fight, he was on so many levels higher than cowboy when it came to stand. Distance control. And then consequences for his actions. Well, he hits so fucking hard. Yeah, that's what I mean. Stepping into the ring at 201.

He's a huge guy. He's a huge guy. And he's able to get down to 170. Oh, my. And he's 24 years old. And he's super technical, too. It's not just big. Right.

He's big and real technical. And he stepped into a big fight late notice and acted like this is my moment. A lot of guys mentally fold, and he did not. Very confident. There's no folding in that guy. Do you know Vinny Shorman? Vinny does Muay Thai commentary for a bunch of organizations, and he's also a fight hypnotist.

Really interesting guy. And, you know, he knows a lot about the Thai world and Thai fighting, and he's always talking to me about dudes. And when he found out that Till was fighting Cowboy, he was very excited. He called me up or sent me text messages about it. We went back and forth quite a bit. He was like, this guy is something special. He's something special.

So it really prompted me to go watch some of Till's fights and I was like, holy shit. Yeah, he's monstrous. And Cowboy was like, I ain't watching tape on him. I heard he likes to strike. Good. I love striking. I was like, this fight's going to be fucking crazy.

How tall is Till? He's tall. He's like 6'2", I think. Yikes. Yeah, he's a big fucking guy. Huge. There it is. He wants to all-trunk.

He said it. He goes, I'm a light heavyweight. Look at this. Kick him away. Still up. Standing up. Oh, big slam. Good return.

Big slam. So dominant performance by Usman in the fact that he got in the second and the third round to do really basically what he wanted. Took some punishment on the feet, but here he is. Oh, the full mount now. And he stepped right back in the half guard. Yeah, you see the weaknesses. You see where he needs some improvement.

Well, the big one to me is the stand-up. He looks like he's thinking. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like when things are going down, he's thinking. And his instinct is to reach. Just go, okay, I'm reaching. There are guys out there that will really make you pay for that.

Yeah. I want to see him versus a guy who can really fucking bang. That's why I think that he's bummed out. Emil Mech is bummed out. That's why I think that he's bummed out. Emil Mech's bummed out. But I feel like seeing Usman against a guy who might be able to stuff those takedowns and maybe have a little bit faster hands than Mech. Mech is tough and his stand-up is good,

but this is a real strong dude that doesn't have any one overwhelming feature to his game. Whereas a guy like Mike Perry can blow your fucking brains through the back of your head. That guy hits so goddamn hard. He's so ferocious. I'd like to see him. But I don't think he's going to be able to stop that takedown. This guy's got some fucking wicked wrestling. Interesting, though.

He learned a lot tonight. Tell you that. A fight like that's good for a guy like him. And we got to see him in vulnerable positions. Did not like the stand-up. Wow. Interesting. And he was in trouble a couple times.

He was a guy who's not super-duper slick on the ground. He was still like, oh, Kimura and the guillotine. Yeah, especially the guillotine, like right away. I mean, what if he had gotten locked up like that with a guy who's like a wicked finisher? Christian Bale's the best actor in Hollywood. As long as Daniel Day-Lewis stays making shoes. You know what? Daniel Day-Lewis is my favorite, but I got Christian Bale right there with him.

He's right there with him. And I love Daniel Day-Lewis. But Christian Bale. Here's a trivia question. What was the one movie he was in when he was younger? Well, he was in two movies. He's been acting since he was six? Empire of the Sun. Thank you, sir.

Thank you, sir. Don't even start with me, dude. Jimmy, you don't fuck around. Bro. Let's hug it out across the table. Jimmy, I'd love to. There's one more, but you won't get it. It's okay. There's one more. Henry you won't get it. It's okay.

There's one more. Henry V with Kenneth Branagh. He is a little bit. But I love that you got that. I love you. I'm proud of the son, dude. I'm already impressed with you. I have a degree in history, dog.

So do I. Bro. Hug it out. Where'd you go to school? American University. UCLA. Oh, you're awesome. I have a degree in history from UCLA.

Well, I was already a fan when I listened to you on Rogan's. I went, this fucking guy is brilliant. But you didn't know. Dude. Dude. I love you for that. History trivia. Jimmy's all about it. I went, this fucking guy is brilliant. But you didn't know. Dude, I love you for that. History trivia. Jimmy's all about it. Thank you, sir. God, I love that.

I love that about you. Dude, I'm so happy that you're with the UFC now. I'm happy to be here, man. He's happy to be here. We tried to get you for years. For years. Yeah, man. He's as knowledgeable as he is.

There's some guys doing commentary right now. We're just saying there's a guy who's doing on this fight that We don't know who he is. Who's this guy? What is his name this Paul Felder's Paul? But I mean major Paul Felder back yes, he was great guy I When I saw I watched him fight a lot including live, and he just looks like such an animal. So when I met him, I expected this kind of real kind of antisocial, rough guy, and he's the exact opposite. Theater major, very intelligent, just a good sober dude.

Super nice guy. Great guy, and just as tough as it gets. Kamaru Usman, clearly, unanimous decision. I'm very impressed with both those guys. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, interesting fight, though. I'm glad that fight happened.

Got to see it. But you're right. Usman's going to get more people going, oh, yeah, I can beat that guy. Yeah. Which can be good for you. Yeah. You don't want people running from you. He's going to get guys that will be willing to fight him now because he's got a strong presence in the top 10.

I mean, he's number 10 now. Winning this fight probably keeps him in that area because Mech is probably not ranked. Is that Hooft? Is that him, Hooft? Where? Is he... Am I looking to the left? Perhaps. I don't know.

Usman, I know it's... So you guys are saying people are going to want to fight him now? Yeah, I think so. More people are going to want to fight him. I don't think so. More than ever before. Yeah. I don't think so.

He's no picnic. He's like an African Khabib. No, he can beat a lot of guys. That's a good call. No doubt about it. No. Well, there were some vulnerabilities in there. Yeah, not like Khabib.

Not like Khabib. I think he's very good. Don't get me wrong. But I think that Emile, without real fast hands, showed some real vulnerabilities. Yeah. Like, you know, if he was – here's a – like, okay, let's put it this way. If Calvin Gastelum could really make 170 be healthy, like if he got Mike Dolce on speed dial and said, Mike, let's work this out.

Let's just make this work out, baby. Come on. Yeah. You know, you know we both know 70s where it's at and if they actually did figure out a way to get a good meal plan drop him down the way like michael johnson looked you know calvin's got way better hands i mean wait and calvin's tough to take down he's a real good wrestler he never gets fucking tired his endurance is phenomenal and compact hard to get underneath and take down.

He's a nasty southpaw. And that fucking right jab, straight left behind it is surprising. It's got snap to it. When he cracked Bisping with that shit, when it was like, bait! And you see Bisping's head snap back, you're like, there's some pop to that dude's punches. He stopped Vitor that way, same way. He's a motherfucker, that Kelvin Gastelum. He is.

See, I would love to see that. I mean, obviously, Kelvin's campaigning at 185 now, and maybe he's going to stay there. No, he wants to go back down to 170. I would love to see that fight. Yeah. That's what I want to see.

I want to see Kelvin versus Kamaru Usman. I think that's a real good fight, because I don't think Kelvin's ranked at 170, right? Because he's been fighting at 85, right? Right now, he's not ranked at 170 right because he's been fighting at 85 right right now he's not ranked at 170 so he goes down to 70 in Usman's top

10 immediately he's ranked you know if he can beat Usman and it's a big if because Usman's a hell of a fucking wrestler and 185 has some monsters at the top just monsters dude fucking so bummed out that they cancelled this fight that Whitaker Robert Whitaker they threw in Eero Romero Just monstrous, dude. Fucking so bummed out that they canceled this fight. What?

Whitaker. Robert Whitaker. No. Yeah. What happened? They threw in Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero's going to fight for the interim title against Luke Rockhold, which is a lovely, lovely fight. That's legit, by the way.

But not a lot of time. What happened to Whitaker? That's February, right? No. When is that? No, it's February, what I'm saying. But he was already on the card. He was supposed to fight Brunson.

Oh, okay. So he was our least in camp for that date, which is huge. What's wrong with Whitaker? What injury? Did they announce it? I don't think they announced it. If I had to guess, I would bet it's his knee. His knee got fucked up in that fight with Yoel.

Yoel side kicked his knee and hyperextended it, and he came back and he said, My knee's fucked in between rounds and still stuffed the takedowns and still beat him standing. He's Maori, right? Yeah, but he's got a lot of tearing. There's a lot of tears

going on in that knee. So he's going to have to figure out what the fuck to do about all that. Your knees and your head are not made for combat sport, that's for sure. Not at all. Yeah, man. It's a real bummer when guys start having knee entries repeated knee entries like until they get that ironed out and settled in it's like it's always suspect that shit's always given out and then your training changes so then your ability inside the octagon changes so many things change and meanwhile eddie bravo's over here hoping dudes get their legs ripped apart. He doesn't give a fuck.

He's all quiet. Really? No, I just wanted you to talk. He'll be quiet. But Javier Vasquez was a guy who was right about to break through, and that happened. Javier's knees were fucked before he ever got. I know, I know. His knees are real bad.

The Alberto Crane fight. He couldn't stand that. King of the Cage. Remember that? Well, he had a blown ACL. I commented to that fight. Did you? I remember that fight. That was my last one i remember sitting down like you were drunk yeah i took shots that's hilarious i knew it was my last show oh that's hilarious oh man we went off me and eric apple did it that's eric apple that's hilarious i gotta see that

apple damn but alberto crane great jujitsu Alberto Crane, great jiu-jitsu guy. And Javier Vasquez, great jiu-jitsu guy. And it was for the King of the Cage title. Yeah. And Javi was about to break through. I was supposed to be like his. Javi just stopped from the injury. If he just let go and just say, look, I'm injured.

I'm going to stop this fight. His career would have taken a completely different path. And his mental toughness, his ability to endure and fight with that ACL. And it kept blowing out during the fight. It just kept giving out. So he must have chewed up the whole inside of his fucking leg, his meniscus and all that shit, but still went on to be a really good fighter in MMA and a really good fucking submission

grappler. Yeah. Fought in EBI a bunch of times with those knees. Didn't he run into some health issues recently? Cancer. He just beat it. He beat it. He got on the Gerson method.

Who is this? Javi Vasquez. What's the Gerson method? A lot of juicing, like coffee enemas. Does that make sense? Okay. Juicing, coffee enemas. Something like that.

I don't know. Something like that. What kind of cancer was it? It worked. It worked. A lot of enemas. Coffee enemas. Something like, I don't know, something like that. What kind of cancer was it? And it worked. It worked. What kind of cancer did he have? He had colon cancer. Colon cancer.

Okay, so that makes sense with the enemas. It's not a joke. Fuck, man. So he beat it. That's beautiful. God, he's young. At 50, you should all have, like I had to get my fucking colon looked at. Figure up your butthole?

I got a clean butthole. Oh, how's it look? No, they stick a tube up there. Did you, like, wrap your legs around your arms like this here? There's a private question. That's a private question. Did you, like, get up in there? He smelled like cologne.

He's right now showing you. My doctor smelled like cologne, and he was a really nice guy. And he didn't wear gloves. I love how you're showing us how it's done, Joe. Like, check this out. That's how you do it, bro. And his breath smelled like pineapple. His pineapple breath.

Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. Hold on. It's not pineapple. Everything else is none of your business. I was talking to a guy the other day that had mint breath over shit breath. Oh, that's terrible. And it was so confusing. That's a terrible situation.

It was awful. Somebody told him that his breath smelled like shit, and so he was eating mints, but it wasn't good enough. The mints... So it was like, I was... You know what it was like, man? It was confusing. It was like there's two signals that were clashing with each other at the same time. Do you want to know what's

awful for folks listening at home that aren't broadcasters? I'm not naming names. We're not going to name any names to broadcast with somebody whose breast stinks. Because they turn to you and you have to stay close to them to stay in the two shot. And you can't go, ugh. You can't react at all. It's a problem.

And it is, I brush my teeth like religiously when I'm doing camera stuff because I'm in someone's face talking to them. And I've been on the receiving end of that and been like this. You can't make a face. You can't do anything. Yeah, after shows when you take pictures with people. Yeah.

That's got to be bad. Girls and guys, sometimes you're just like, God damn it. I don't know what's going on. They say when people don't eat a lot, like if you – Acidity. Yeah. Is that real? Like if you fast?

So there are different things. I know with chronic halitosis, apparently it's the sulfates on your tongue. Whoa. chronic halitosis apparently it's the sulfates on your tongue whoa there's a there's a so so typically i guess the so so the chemicals i guess the sulfur though everybody has different compounds in their mouth and for whatever reason i don't know but you they're they're essentially what you're smelling is sulfur is a derivative of sulfur or some kind of a sulfur and it's because there's a chemical problem in your mouth and they can actually address it with things.

And, oh, by the way, halitosis can also be from liver disease. So if you have liver disease, you can smell it. Liver disease makes you... Diabetes, liver disease, stuff like that. About the breath. Wow.

Wow, that's interesting. That's one of the ways they check. Yeah. Whoa. And then, of course, it can be an abscess behind your tooth and all that shit, which is a disaster. Yeah, that's a big one, man. That's a big one.

But liver disease and diabetics sometimes. Dude, I had a cracked filling, and they took the filling out, and the fucking smell that came out of my mouth, I was like, holy shit. Because the filling had cracked and there was an infection. I wound up getting a root canal. And so as I'm getting this thing opened up, they break through this pocket where all this pus and rot is. Oh, dude, it was so nasty.

That sounds awful. You could hear it pop through and then just this fucking shit breath. My father's friend, he was sleeping. His wife said, you have to go to the dentist. He said, why? He goes, your breath is so out of control. And they've been married for 25 years. So he goes, Jesus, all right.

So check this out. So he goes, Jesus, all right. So check this out. So apparently he had an abscess, a sack of bacteria in the back of his mouth. Well, when they, I guess, took the tooth out or the filling out and they popped by accident the sack, the nurse threw up and the fucking dentist walked into the room at that moment and pulled his mask off and threw the fuck up as well.

Yes. No way. It was a double vomit fest. Can you imagine? And that's how bad it is. So did she puke on him or what? She puked. She didn't puke on him.

She just puked. The minute't puke on him. She just puked. Went, bleh. And then they popped the sacks. She went, bleh. And the dentist walked in and went, he had his mask on. He got his mask off just barely in time. Went, bleh. Like that.

It was that bad. Oh, my. That bad. That's so crazy. That's so crazy. I never have the balls to tell someone their breath stinks, though. I tell friends. If you work with them you have to I would tell friends And I would want them to tell me

If your breath stinks I'm going to tell you And I would want you to tell me That's one cool thing about black people They'll tell you if your breath stinks They will tell you Black people have no problem with that I have no balls I'm a fucking pussy.

I once got a head from a girl. She would come over and give me a massage. She wasn't very good looking, but she was down to give a massage. By the time you're done with the massage, she knows she's going to get to... She wanted to give me oral pleasure. Long time ago. But she used her teeth. Oh, boy.

And I didn't have the fucking courage to tell her. She thought I was enjoying it. But I didn't have the fucking courage to tell her. I'm like, she thought I was enjoying it, but I was like, ow! Oh, fuck! She's going, oh, my God.

She's looking at me, winking at me and shit. And she's scraping her teeth. She's such a good guy. Scraping it. Scraping it. Oh, you're a good guy because you don't And every time she came over,

I was like, here we go. And I tried to serve her. You're like, grab the stuff, you. I'm such a good guy. I'm such a good survive? Are you grabbing stuff? I'm a pussy. You just tried to survive.

That's so good. A girl's pussy can reek, and I'm not going to tell her. That's a tough one. I'm not telling a girl she has a sad breath. I've got to be a gentleman. If you're a girl, and you have a problem, you have a yeast infection, and if someone doesn't let you know, you're not going to get it treated.

There's a problem. It's true. It's delicate. It's a delicate situation. You're not always going to get a rational reaction. I did tell one girl. She went, oh, thank you. Medically, I feel much better.

That's not going to be the reaction. I'll tell you this story. They're going to get mad at you. Isn't that weird? They'll get mad at you if their pussy sticks. Well, there was a girl that I was in New York. I was a young man and she was very sexy

and... I feel like the Incredible Hulk music she'd be playing right now. She met me with a hat on. I remember this weird thing. She met me with a hat on. I picked her up and she goes, good, thank God. I thought you were going to be bald. I was like 20. Thanks. Thanks, dude. I go, alright, whatever. Two bald guys. And she and I, we got to business.

And then she began to give me oral pleasure after she was, I'd gotten her kind of naked. And she had a hairy butt. She had a hairy back. Like, you know, some people can be super dark haired. And it was, there was that, it was fine fur. It was very fine fur. It was very girl, it was girl fur. But it's still a problem, bro, because the hair fanned out.

It started with the back, and it was on the old rumper, still skins. And that was very hard for me to keep it. I had to avert my eyes. Were you going to laugh? Was the instinct to laugh? No. I'm curious what the instinct was. She had a big dick.

No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, I'm kidding. But no, it wasn't. I just kind of, there's no way I was going to, what do I say? Yeah, there's no good way. You're hairy on your back and you're rump. I mean, you know, I just dealt with it.

I did pull out a medical book on one girl, though. I liked her a lot. So I had to, she ended up being my girlfriend. I showed her that she had a B vitamin deficiency. Wow. And that's why there was problems down there. Oh, wow. She got all into vitamins. She was a vitamin

freak from that point on. And you know what? But you did her a favor. I went on a date with a girl who had the worst breath in the world and I knew her in college and I said to her friend, I said, what happened with her? I go, you want me to be honest? I said, her breath was so bad I could smell it when we were standing at the elevator.

And she screamed. She went, oh, my God. We always felt that way. And they were friends with her. And I said, none of you told her? Her life is, she'll never find somebody if you don't tell her. I couldn't tell her. Guys will tell you quick.

Like a group of guys. I'd be like, Joe, you got to take care of this now. Yeah. A group of guy friends will. Thank you. I couldn't say it to the girl because I just felt, you know. I would thank you. I think it's important. Paige Van Zandt loves group of guy friends will. Thank you. But I couldn't say it to the girl because I just felt, you know. I would thank you. I think it's important.

Paige Van Zandt loves that jump and switch kick. She does. That jump and roundhouse kick. Back to the fighting, by the way, as we're. Yeah. And Paige Van Zandt. And who is Clark? What is her first name?

Ooh, nice leg kick. Jessica Clark. Is that it? Did you just make that up? No, that's what it is. The way you said it was like a tint of a joke to it. Paige Van Zandt is throwing

wild leaping in shit. Casey Halstead, head instructor at 10th Planet Las Vegas, is working with her. With Clark? Or with Paige? Isn't it funny how I feel bad about telling that story about the girl with the hair on her back? It was 25 years ago.

Well, I mean, you know. I'm sure she's not listening to this. I was going to say. You outed me. Oh, that jerk. Paige loves that jumping roundhouse kick. Paige is busy here, man. Yeah.

But she got tagged. Like, several clean. There. This girl, Clark, has some clean striking. Good counters. Yeah. Now, see, that was a problem when we were talking about the Cyborg-Holly home fight. She would get in quick and then eat that counter every time.

Oh, Paige is in trouble. On her back, side control. Not good. What do you want to do here? Stand up right away? If you're on the bottom? If you're Clark. Either get guard or get up.

Brian, you're hilarious. What do you want to do here? Win? What do you want to do here? Do you want to drive your fist into her face here? Want to kick her ass? hilarious. General YouTube. What do you want to do here? Win? What do you want to do here? You want to drive your fist into her face here? Want to kick her ass? Hook. One hook.

Edge of brav. I need edge of brav there. Oh, standing arm triangle. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, Paige. Uh-oh. She can jump to full guard right there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Oh, come on, Paige. You mean, what's her name? Clark. Yeah, Clark. Yeah, she has an arm triangle, but it's hard to finish standing up. You can do it.

Now, here. It's much more serious. As long as she. Paige is in trouble. Yeah. Three has an arm triangle, but it's hard to finish standing up. You can do it. Now here, it's much more serious. Paige is in trouble. Three minutes to go, she's in trouble. And she doesn't have the best guard. Now you want to be on the phone here, don't you? Oh, yeah, she wanted to be on the phone. She's off. She's off.

She's off. She's off the phone now. No, no, she's still not out of the woods yet. She's still in trouble, but not nearly as bad. Plenty of space. Why? Because her elbow? Yeah.

It's not tight to her neck. It keeps the elbow from going across your neck. If you're like this. So you want to extend your arm here? You want to be here? Here's not as bad. Plenty of space. Why? Because her elbow? Yeah. It's not tight to her neck. It keeps the elbow from going across your neck. If you're like this. So you want to extend your arm here? You want to be here? Here's not as good. You want to be on the phone, but even that, if somebody's real strong, it's not going to save you.

She wants her right arm to underhook her neck or head. That didn't help Ryan Stan when he got choked out by a chill. He was on the phone there. You can still. The guy's got a real arm. But here's the thing. She's got to get out of this half guard, and she wants to be on the phone there. You can still. The guy's got a strong squeeze. But here's the thing. She's got to get out of this half guard, and she wants to be on the same side as the choke. Zach Makowski had his leg in the escape, and Dantas put him out.

Damn. It didn't matter. Some guys are weird. Who did you train? If you do the impaler. Do you know? Eddie, you still use that? That knee to the chest when separating that?

Yes, I brought it back recently. Yes. Impaler's legit. Like that knee, that escape where you're holding onto your own knee, it's not good enough. If a guy knows that impaler move and he gets that knee to your chest and puts that crash down, I like that all day. I think the time you spend defending that, you're getting your ribs crushed.

It's so much pressure on you. And if you make the decision to try to defend that and push that away, you're going to give up more of the choke. Eddie, how do you get Tony Ferguson prepared? I mean, it's kind of a weird question, but with that kind of wrestling and with the same kind of pressure, how do you deal with that kind of pressure? We've been working on that since day one. You mean like getting prepared for Khabib? How do you get prepared for a dude who can wear you like that? Well, he's not really necessarily fighting Khabib yet do you get prepared for a dude who's not really

necessarily fighting Khabib yet there's no schedule but that's my prediction you gotta be thinking about it you gotta at least be thinking about it it doesn't happen next

it's gonna happen eventually it's gonna happen so we prepare for that you know when we were working on the Rafael Dos Anjos fight we were still thinking

wrestling you know Khabib's in the mix we have to be working on countering your back hey it's not gonna be it's not gonna be easy no yeah well it paid off big in the kevin lee fight right beautiful triangle same thing same camp kevin lee's wrestler good passer loves to take the back has a good rear naked choke. Same thing. Yeah, so Paige is in a lot of trouble here. She's just defending and fighting for her life here off the bottom.

And Clark has not really advanced any further than this one position where she keeps trying to get this head and arm choke. She can't quite get it. Would you, Eddie, would you like to see her, like, in a situation like this, where she keeps going to it over and over to go, would you like to see her just try to get out of that half guard first? Exactly. Yeah. Keep the position, you know, keep that head on the ground,

keep her arm trapped, but you've got to pass the guard. She's slanting a nice elbow. Got to get to the chopping block. Okay, she's slicing through now. Now because Paige went after it. Okay, that left leg's in play. Oh. Back to half guard.

Yeah. But almost out. Oh, no. Not enough time. Not enough time to run out. She's just going to try to smash now. Might as well. Half guard is the same whether you're trying to pass it or whether you're trying to use it.

There are submissions from half guard. And there are submissions when you're passing half guard. They're just hard to pull off. It's always easier to get around guard. Do you remember Higgins? It's always easier to get around guard first. Eddie, do you remember Higgin Machado's version of the twister? He had a different version of the twister.

Yes, yes. He asked me to show it to him one day, and I was like, I was a purple belt, and I couldn't believe a black belt, a legend. Like Higgin Machado wanted, he called me over over and wanted a basically a private on the twister yeah and he remembered it wrong and came up with a whole different version so he called it the Higgins twister and only like three people can do it and it's amazing though yeah it's amazing man Ryan Gregg is one of his black belts. I remember Ryan Gregg very well. He's the best at it.

It's a crazy... I wouldn't know how to show... I wouldn't know how to do it right now. Oh, interesting. It's weird. It's very strange. What would... You know, you say that only a few people can do it.

What's the separating thing? What keeps them from being able to do it? It's just so unorthodox and so crazy. It's like some kind of pro wrestling move. But it's almost like... But it works. It's just so unorthodox and so crazy. It's like some kind of pro wrestling move. But it's almost like... But it works. It's legit. But what I'm saying, it's almost like from half guard, right?

Like on top in half guard. I don't even remember. Oh, that's interesting. It just twists the body in a weird way. It's kind of... Oh, nice. So in a regular twister, you would be underneath with your half guard locked around the left leg, and you'd be pulling on the head with your hands clasped together.

But his was from the top position, right? Is that Higgin Twister? Is that Higgin Twister? Oh, here we go. It doesn't say that. It says half guard back take to Twister. Oh, this is different. That won't be it.

This is different. It's got to say R-I-G-A-N Higgins Twister. Higgin Machado Twister. He had his own weird... He might not have ever put it on YouTube. Probably highly likely didn't. But it might be up there. Someone might know it.

This video came from that search. That's why I was kind of guessing. It's so amazing. It's endless. It really is, man. Oh, look at Paige. Paige gets to take down. Paige on top. I'm jealous of... I should have stuck with it. I'm jealous of Amy. Well, you can still go It really is, man. Oh, look at Paige. Paige gets to take down. Paige on top.

I'm jealous of... I should have stuck with it. I'm jealous of Amy. Well, you can still go back to it, man. I might. I like boxing so much. Dude, Anthony Bourdain. Sam Tripoli came back.

Did he? Yeah. When? He started recently. Beautiful. Yeah, with Scott Ross. He went down. Beautiful.

Beautiful. Where's Scott at these days? He's teaching at HQ. In the daytime? Daytime and nighttime. Cronk has a school in... Culver City. Is it Playa Vista or Culver City?

You could go there. You're in Venice. You're near a lot of places. There's a lot of people that could teach you down there. Your boy Hanato's still down there. Hanato Magno? Where's he at? I don't know. I've got to figure it out. He's still in the same spot.

Yeah. I like boxing so much, though. It's so hard. It's so hard. It's so fucking hard. You mean physically? Like, just tiring? Learning how to fucking spar.

Learning how to, like, slip a jab. Don't you miss your own kicks? Yeah, of course I do. So why don't you take more time? I'd like to. Where's a good school? There's got to be a bunch near you, dude. Anybody who can't find a good MMA or karate or jiu-jitsu or anything school in MMA in LA, right?

LA is crazy. Yeah. This is the spot. I know. I mean, how many goddamn jiu-jitsu schools are there? Eddie, how many 10th planets are there just in L.A.? I'll go to 10th planet. Let's call L.A. the Southern California area that doesn't include San Diego.

I'd be cheating on Eddie if I went to Colorado. How many 10th planets are there here? Including San Diego or not? Let's not include San Diego. L.A.? L.A. County. L.A. like probably 10. Isn't that amazing?

It's crazy. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's crazy. Almost 100 worldwide It's crazy. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's crazy. Almost 100 worldwide. God damn, dude. It's amazing. That's a lot.

Eddie the Innovator. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Hashtag ballin'. You earned it. Yeah, for sure. You figured it out. I work hard.

You do work hard. And you're innovative. Thank you, sir. You're both. You're an artist. I don't think anybody gets by in this crazy competitive world unless you got both. You got to be working hard and you got to be thinking hard. You got to be creative, but you also got to be disciplined.

Oh, full mount. Nice. Full mount. Full mount. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, taking it back. Oh, beautiful. Go triangle.

Triangle. Right into it. Real close. Almost, almost, almost. He's going to tap her. So close. Oh, yeah. Go triangle. Triangle. Right into it. Real close. Almost. Almost. Almost. So close. So close.

Should be a dunce. So close. Not quite there. Not quite there. You got to get. Oh, now we're talking. Now we're talking. She's going armbar.

Now she's fucked. Paige is fucked. Yeah, because it's under the armpit. She's like eight out of ten fucked. If she pulled the arm across, she'd be totally fucked. Now she's fucked more. She's a lot of time well you have the arm bar option under the armpit or you pull it across and get the

regular triangle oh she's got to pull her head what page is doing right there is a good move punch her in the face yeah punch her in the face get that arm she's gonna take that into the arm now she's tough as shit fuck yeah she is fucking. She's a little animal. A lot of time. She really is, man. She's got to pull her head. That's all. Cover her nose now. That's all she should be thinking. Just pulling her head.

Just pulling her head. Pulling her head. She's trying to get that on the other side. Now, look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Now she's got it. Oh, the full wrap-up.

Oh, shit. Wrap them. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. That's got to be very tight. She ain't going to tap, man. I'm telling you.

This girl doesn't go to sleep. She's not tapping. You're going to have to put her to sleep. Damn, Paige is tough as She ain't gonna tap, man. I'm telling you. This girl doesn't go to sleep. She's not tapping. You're gonna have to put her to sleep. Damn, Paige is tough as shit. Oh, no. Look at all the time. 37 seconds to go and she might make it out of this fucking round. You got time.

You got time. Paige is an animal. She is an animal. I'm so impressed with that girl. I mean, how many girls are as hot as her that are that fucking tough? Yep. Oh, it's going over the foot now. I think they're both adorable.

Okay, someone's wanting it. Maybe that's because I'm an old man. It's over the foot now. Not as good. She's dropping bows. Dropping hard bows. She's got to go over the ankle toes up. That's a very deep triangle. She's got to angle and finish and she's going to run out of time. You've got ten seconds.

You've got ten seconds. Come on, come on now. Why isn't she pulling the head? That's really shocking to me. She hasn't really committed to it. No, no pulling the head. She was trying to wrap the legs up. She was trying to pull with the legs.

There was a Ben Saunders fight. He fought a guy, Brian Baker, a fight that I called in. He was doing like 10 different moves, and he ended up losing that fight. And at the end, he's in the middle of these transitions or whatever. And I think my broadcast partner at the time goes, man, this is great transitions. I go, the problem is nobody taps to a toehold triangle armbar wrist lock. It's the one you commit to. And too many guys, you know, five transitions.

Look at his transition. Yeah, but the one that gets you is the one you commit to all the way 100%. And he didn't do that enough. He ended up rounding up going in and losing the decision. But if he chained to one and one stuck, you'd be impressed by it. Right. It's all a matter of whether or not one sticks. But what I didn't see, I didn't see that commitment to that one.

You know what I mean? I think she had the arm around the triangle. It was kind of halfway with all of them. I think she just needed to pull ahead. If she just grabbed the back of the head and just counted. Commit, have faith in your triangle. I tell people, have faith in your triangle. Too many people go triangle, it doesn't work in two seconds, they go to the armbar and

let the guy breathe again. I think commit to your triangle. When you deal with someone like Paige Van Zandt, it's the difference between trying to put someone to sleep and trying to make someone tap. You can't try to make her tap. You've got to try to put her to sleep. I really think that's what you've got to do with her. This little girl's a savage.

She's a little beautiful savage. But she's down two rounds to none to me. Yeah, but she's still got those crazy switch kicks, man. She's super athletic with that shit, too. She goes from the outside, and then she commits to these wild jumping roundhouse kicks. Damn, guys, I got to run. Oh, you fucking fuck. I know, I got to pick my family up.

Well, you got to do what you got to do. I know. How about you stay for ten You gotta do what you gotta do I know How about you stay for 10 more minutes I will Alright Thanks It's a bad idea but I'm doing it Come on

That wasn't a hard sell either You went right for that You just gave right in You're okay Well I gotta stay You're okay And watch this at least Yeah you just gotta tell your family

They can wait They just gonna have to wait on the curb Yeah you're in the airport Deal with it It's safe Deal with it kids You're not in Guatemala Fucking babies

I just got that flu. I had that flu for 10 days. Dude. I got a viral rash. I got it too. Did you? No, I had it too. I was down. Jimmy, when we were doing our podcast and I was coughing. Stay away from me, dude. I'm done now. How long were you down for? I was down for 10 days. I was down for two days, but you know why? Because I saw it coming. Oh, there's that jumping around house kick. I saw it coming and I was

like, you know what? This don't feel normal. This feels like a little extra. So you slept? Yeah, I just stayed in bed.'t feel normal. Right. This feels like a little extra. So you slept? Yeah. I just stayed in bed. You got it. The beautiful thing of being self-employed. My son got it.

Fuck. His friends got it. His friends' moms got it. That sucks. Yeah. My youngest got it, and she got over it in a day like a little wolverine. My kids eat a lot of probiotics, man. I got them eating Bio-K and different probiotics and taking probiotic little snacks. Fuck, it makes a big difference.

So important, man. Can't you take too many of those? I don't know. Have you heard of Sheila? Talking about healthy food. Have you heard of Sheila Jot? It's the tar from the Himalayas. It's loaded with trace minerals.

Sounds like it's from the Himalayas. It tastes like with trace minerals. Sounds like it's from the Himalayas. It tastes like garbage. Supposedly, it's a shit. She's got to be careful with that over and over and over again, going to that well with that jumping round kick. Because if a girl's got a real good right hand and she times that shit. Take you right off your feet. Yeah, take you right off your feet and you're going to get fucking hurt. Because she's throwing it and she's fully committing

to it, meaning she throws her arms into it so her hands are down, her chin's up in the air like it's on a flagpole. And it's a beautiful technique if it lands. The problem is she KO'd Beck Rawlings. See, she just tried to go do it again. Like, that well is tapped. She's going to that well a lot. Her hands are down too

when she's coming to that kick. You know, when she KO'd Beck Rawlings with it, it was so sensational. I think that's become like her shit. You get hooked on it. They get hooked

on that feeling. I've seen it all the time. Yep. Oh, nice. She can take a punch, too, man. Clark is much cleaner with the striking. She's doing, like,

basics. Technical basics. And she's got a good timing with her right hand. Clark's definitely had two rounds to nothing. Oh, for sure. And she's got a good timing with her right hand. Clark's definitely had two rounds. Oh, for sure. For sure. See, it goes again.

She's going to it again. And you watch when she does it, that left hand goes right down to her hips. It's fucking so dangerous. She might be... It's good every now and then. She makes her pay every time she comes close. If you're doing that against a man

who is a KO artist. Oh, that's not bad. She almost landed that flying knee. Hey, dude, she could land it. But what I'm saying is she's making it very obvious that that's her go-to shit. She does it so often

and it's an unusual move. See, she's trying to do it right there. She takes this big step and then she tries to jump and throw a round. I mean, who the fuck does a jumping round? She does two in do it right there. She takes this big step, and then she tries to jump and throw around I mean who the fuck does a jumping route? She's just two in a row right there who the fuck does this that much yeah, you're Rodriguez no more than her him even She does it more than him. She doesn't more than anybody. It's like her go-to shit is a jumping switch kick like that's crazy

I don't even care if it lands looks good to looks good. She did it again. Oh, left hand behind it, though. It does look good. At least she's doing something. Yeah. Wow, look, she's going after it, man. She's going after it. Yeah, she's behind. Yeah, she's going after it.

She's trying to win by knockout. Paige Van Zandt presses the shit out of me. She does. She's so tough. And, again, cute as a button. Yep. You know, cute as a button. Tough as shit. Fucking barbarian. Yep. You know, cute as a button and a fucking barbarian.

Yep. Good athlete, good movement. You like white chicks, I suppose. Did anybody see Clarissa Shields fight last night? No.

Paige Van Zandt has a broken arm right now. She does? What? Yeah, she tore her corner after the first round. Which arm? It must be the left, right?

Yeah, the left. She's holding for? Yeah, she tore her corner after the first round. Which arm? Must be the left, right? Yeah, the left, she's holding for me. Yikes. Wow. That's probably why she keeps throwing that good. That's probably why she keeps throwing it. Yeah, it's definitely the left. See how she's extending it? She's not punching with it. Wow, that's crazy. Ouch. Yeah. Wow, that's fucking nuts, man.

She must have got kicked with something? Oh, shit. Still game. Still going at it. Still going for it. something. Oh, shit. Still game. Still going at it. Still going for it. Tough as fuck, dude. Well, that makes sense now why she keeps going to the well with that jumping round kick. That's what she's got from the left side.

Oh, damn. Oh, kick to the body. That's a good scrap. What's her name? I like Clark's Fundamentals, man. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Clark looks really good, man. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Oh, it's her right arm. Interesting. It's her right arm. Wow. Wow. Wow. Broken her bones in there. Wow. She goes right to the ride.

Remember Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddell? He's like, yeah, I can feel it clicking. He would turn it and it would click. And KO'd him. And KO'd him. Even with a broken arm. And split his lip open. Remember that horrible injury?

Yep. Love you guys. Gotta go. Thank you so much. All right. Very nice meeting you. Good to see you, my brother. Thanks for coming by.

Thanks for the cheese. Thanks for the wine. I'll leave the wine here for you the next time we do a podcast together. Come see me in Columbus, Ohio. Where are you, hilarious Brian Callen? At the Funny Bone. One of the best comics in the world. January 25, 26, 27.

Then I'm in that at the DC Empire. February 1, 2, 3. New Columbus Funny Bone is fucking sensational. I hear it's one of the best clubs gone. You know what they did? They revamped it. They moved the whole front bar area. They took it out.

Really? Expanded the showroom. It's huge now. It's very nice. I'm excited. Yeah, tell Dave I said what's up. January 25, 26, 27. Beautiful.

Beautiful. Thanks, guys. You're a fucking animal. I'll see you later. BrianCallen.com, all that good stuff. With a Y, B-R-Y. I'll leave you. Should I leave you? Thanks, brother. Yeah, just leave it there. We got ants.

They'll take care of it. Very nice to meet you, man. Alright, say hi to your family, brother. We'll do some history shit on the next podcast. Love you, man. Brian Callen has to leave. Someone cares about their family more than they do about random people listening the next podcast. Love you, man. Brian Callen has to leave. Someone cares about their family more than they do about random people listening to a podcast. Which is weird.

Bullshit. Different planet. Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. What are you talking? We hear you. Shut the door. What is he trying to do?

He asked what the man of men was He has no idea So that was the man of men He's like This is MMA right? Brian Callen is on a podcast That is about fighting The fighter and the kid

And Barely pays attention To the sport I mean it's like His big gig Is him being on the podcast And it's half the fun is Brendan going, how do you not know this?

How do you not know this? So, Shob is home right now with the flu. Is he? Yeah, that's why I called you. I called you today. I'm the backup. That's cool. Listen, I called you anyway, but he was going to be here, and it was last minute.

He's like, dude, I'm too sick. He was working in Portland, and he's like, I'm coughing so bad. I can't do this. I said, my man Jimmy Smith's around. There you go. Jimmy Smith's so gangster, ladies and gentlemen. I just want you to know he drives here in a 1968 Firebird stock.

Fully stock. Stock seats, stock brakes, stock hoses. He's driving a 1968 car like it's 1968. Yeah, it's my only car. And that's how he gets around. People are also like, no, that's all I drive. That's very gangster. Are you a mechanic?

No. I can keep up with certain things, but I'm on the road so much, even if I wanted to, I couldn't. It would be in a garage all the time, and I don't have that. That's very gangster. I had a 69 Barracuda before that, and it got rear-ended, and I had to get it replaced. Yeah, the 69 Barracuda is a beautiful year, too.

It's a monster. It's an underappreciated year. I had a 70, and that's the bigger body. Yes. The different one. And everybody knows that one. The Hemi Engine. Yeah, and it's also like

what the new Challenger looks like, right? The new Challenger is sort of a version of that. But that older one is really unique in the muscle car world. That's 69, 68 Barracuda. It's a weirder shape. Harder to find parts for. I bet. Yeah, and to get the dash from like a junkyard in Ohio or some shit.

Well, you know what they're doing that's really interesting now? A lot of companies are – there's a new company. Steve Strope was just telling me about it that are making a 1969 Camaro from the ground up with all new parts. Yeah, I've heard of that. They're making everything, all the fenders. They're making the subframe. They're making the doors, the dash panels. They're making a 1969 Camaro, but it's not from 1969.

It's from 2018, which is crazy. But it's not from 1969. It's from 2018, which is crazy. I've heard about people doing that same thing, but the internal parts are all eco-friendly. But it runs the same frame and everything. They're doing crazy shit now. I've heard of that. There's a Mustang that's like an 850 horsepower electric Mustang that someone in Texas made.

And it's a 1968 Mustang, but it's just some fucking beast fuck electric engine. Wow. Page ran in with a spinning back fist there. Oh, that's when she broke her arm. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Oh, wow. She broke it on a spinning back fist. That's crazy.

Fuck. Yeah, these bones are weak as shit, man. They crack so easy. Once again, Tim Sylvia, Frank Mir. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And try to keep fighting. Remember every booing Herb Dean? Everybody was so mad.

And then they saw the replay like, oh, okay. Yeah, we had to point it out in the replay too. We had to say, slow it down, slow it down. What's that? That's a broken arm. That thing is not supposed to bend like that. All right. What was your worst on air in terms of like, oh, fuck, moment?

Corey Hill and Anderson Silva, those two leg breaks. Yeah. I think Corey Hill worse because the referee didn't see it. And so I threw my headset off, and I jumped up, and I was screaming, stop the fight, stop the fight, because the referee was in an odd position. And the leg, he kicked, the leg snapped. I saw the leg go rubber. I saw his leg go down. I saw him go down.

And then, I forget who he was fighting, was on top of him, hitting him. And the referee wasn't aware. Wasn't on it. He just wasn't aware. He was in a bad position. You know, he's looking at the punches being landed. He didn't realize that the leg had been snapped. Those two were the worst.

There's Corey. Yeah. We's Corey. We did one. It was Oh! Yeah. See, so the referee's over there. And Corey Hill, rest in peace, he died a few years back.

That Ingano knockout. Oh, so that's the UFC Performance Institute? I went there two weeks ago when I was in Vegas. Holy shit, is that place impressive. Yeah. I mean, have you been there, Eddie? Yeah.

Fuck, man. Amazing. Did Tony train there? No, I had a meeting, an EBI meeting. Oh, right, right, right. With the UFC. Oh, nice. Forrest gave me the tour.

They gave me the tour. Yeah, Forrest gave me the tour, too. Amazing. How amazing is that place? Dude, it's incredible. It's one of the coolest places I've ever seen. I was like, oh my God, I want to live here. Dude, and the screen where you can record your sparring,

and it's like an NFL thing where you can write notes and circles and all this shit on it and give it to your coach. It's amazing. They're recording it in 360 degrees so they can look at you from any angle. Yeah. It's fucking incredible. It's so cool and then they have all these different recovery stations they have a cryo machine that goes

down to like 240 degrees below zero and then up to 170 degrees above zero you can go hot cold inside the machine like which is what the fuck it's crazy they're like three pools yeah of different temperatures for like rehab they have two pools that are different temperatures one really hot one and one really cold one yeah that's like 50 degrees and there's one to your left that's me that's my video oh okay and then there's a treadmill to your left in a pool and that's angela hills on that one right here while i'm filming and she's running there she is and she's running on this treadmill that lifts and lowers, and you could watch your running form on these little screens.

See, I think I cut to the screen. She was joking around about her. But you could check out the screen, and you could see your form to make sure that you're landing ball of the foot first with proper running form. The fucking whole place is incredible. They have sleep pods that you get in. They're like these lounge chairs.

And it's like some sci-fi movie with this big egg comes down over you. Like the Darth Vader. Yeah. Yeah, the sleep pods. So you're lying down there. It's playing music and shit. Dude, off the charts. I mean, they have everything.

So last week, I'm on your podcast and I can say it now, you were talking about the Performance Center. Well, I'd gotten a tour of that when I met Dana White and everybody like two weeks ago. So I was like, whoa, that's great. Yeah, I was like, whoa, yeah, what do you know? Yeah, so anyway, I got a tour thing. It would have been funny if you said, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, that seems familiar. I remember that. Yeah. It was nice. The force was amazing. Yeah, we were hoping that we were going to be able to mention it on the podcast, but things take time. Paperwork, man. It takes a minute.

Yeah, and hey, congratulations to our boy, Big John McCarthy. Big John. Forget that gig, dude. Called him. He'll be very good at that. What gig? He's the new Jimmy Smith. Took over for me at Bellator. Oh, really? Yeah, man. Oh, dude. Called him. He'll be very good at that. What gig? He's the new Jimmy Smith. Took over for me at Bellator.

Oh, really? Yeah, man. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. He'll be great at that. He'll be great at that. I think he's going to be awesome at that. We're trying to work it.

I didn't know he was living in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. He moved. Got tired of flying to Vegas all the time for fights, so he just fucking moved to Vegas. That's the kind of guy Big John is. He is, man. But he lives out in the burbs.

He's not on a strip going to fucking Hakkasan every night. Yeah, I think he'll do a good job, man. I do. No, he'll be great. I really do. He'll be great. I was really happy about that, personally. Yeah, he'll be great.

You know, I mean, you talk about a guy who's seen literally every major fight. I mean, he was the go-to guy for over a decade like every big fight had to have big john mccarthy as a referee you know after a while a lot of guys have gotten like some of the calls for some of the big big fights but yeah he's the gold standard and the guy knows so much about the sport and he's a legit black belt he's not gonna ref anymore no he's not gonna ref anymore for a while but he always could go back to it do you know he's got two or three I might be at least two

fake discs in his neck and then I think it might be three and then he just got some shit fused too damn yeah that jujitsu is a motherfucker yeah he's a motherfucker in your joints man and you're back you hear about so many people. I got this thing I want to show you.

And every grappler should get one of these. You should get one for the gym. It's called an iron neck. And it was created by this guy who is a former football player. And he created it to deal with CTE. He's like, a lot of what these guys are getting, they're getting from their head getting snapped. And he's like, and I think you can mitigate a lot of that with neck strength.

But a lot of the different things that people create for neck strength, this is him showing me how to do it. We got one here. So you strap this thing on your head. You pump it up. It's like a Reebok pump. Remember those pumps where you press the ch-ch-ch? It gets real tight to your head.

And then you're pulling on that bungee cord. That black cord is 50 pounds of resistance. And so I'm pulling back. And he's like straightening out my posture. And then there's resistance and turning the band. Phenomenal. Wow. I love that thing.

I love it. How often do you do it? Whenever I want to. I have one in my house and I have one here. So I do it all the time. I did it yesterday. It was part of my workout yesterday. I like to start off my workout with it.

I put that fucker on, and I go through a whole series of Stevie Wonders. It's like you have it on your head, and you go like this. And what it does is, you know who's real big on it? Aaron Pico. He loves that thing. He said it turned his neck into a weapon. And for me, I had some pretty big problems with my neck for a while. I think two things from not tapping and two from head and arm chokes.

Because I was always doing a lot of head and arm chokes on this side. Putting pressure on that side. You're always using your neck. Your neck becomes a part of your game. And I never really strengthened my neck, other than training. And this has made a big fucking difference. Is that Johnny Hendricks, or is that a fat guy who looks like Johnny Hendricks?

It's not Johnny Hendricks. Sorry, fat guy. You're not really fat, bro. You're not fat. You're not ripped like Michael Johnson, but you're not fat. I'm not, you're not ripped like Michael Johnson, but you're not fat. I'm just talking shit. But that machine, um,

is like one of the best methods I've ever found of, of strengthening your neck, stabilizing your neck. Edit that out about me calling that guy fat. Sometimes you say things, you just talk. Yeah. It just comes out of your mouth.

You don't mean to. I forgot. If you listen, buddy, I'm fat, too. But this machine... Actually, he's not fat at all. But this machine is fucking phenomenal. I'm a giant fan of it. Interesting.

You can either have it on a bungee cord, or some people put it on one of them cable machines. Like, I'd imagine if you were some Francis Ngannou fella, you would want even more resistance. Oh, that's in Austin. They're doing that at the Onnit gym. I'm a big fan of this thing. I think every grappler in particular. Because how many people have fucking neck problems?

Oh, I mean, to not have them is weird. Yeah, it is. And I think this is a great machine, but I think there's a bunch of other things you should do as well. I'm a big believer in shrugs. I think for grapplers, just protecting that whole area,

building up all that muscle in the back area. You get them fucking Overeem traps. Remember Overeem when he was the Ubereme? Yeah, those traps. Unbelievable. They started at the top of his ears and would drop down. Yep. You know what I got recently that I'd like to recommend is, you know, I have something really wrong with my right shoulder.

And I like to sleep on my side. So sometimes, man, I wake up in the middle of the night and my shoulder's sore just from sleeping wrong on it. It sucks putting all your weight on it. And after a while, fucking, and I got the flu like you did too. shoulder sore just from sleeping wrong on it yeah it sucks putting all your weight on it and after a while fucking and i got the flu like you did too i got it last week for a day i was in bed for 24 hours and man my shoulder was killing me from being sick in bed so i got this pillow that's for people that have acid reflux it's it's a sloped pillow and there's a hole in it where you could put your arm under and you sleep on the side

i'm in love with it i've seen that it's called i've seen that it's called medcline medcline it's awesome and you could sleep both both sides and there's like this snake pillow that goes through it so your arm is feeling beautiful there's no pressure on it and you're on your side i'm oh look at that i've seen that that's it that's it oh that's weird looking dude i'm telling you i'm in love with this thing man it's incredible no shit yes i think maybe that's a big uh part of my shoulder problem maybe i'm thinking because sleeping weird yeah just like i sleep on my side and i know that you're not supposed to you're supposed to sleep flat on your back but i cannot sleep flat on my back, but I cannot sleep flat on my back. I gotta be on either side. I'm always switching from one side to the next. Well, when you

started lifting heavy again after you got those cortisone shots, you said your shoulder was feeling amazing. And then you told me you were doing bench. I was like, bench is one of the worst things for your shoulder. I should have never got a cortisone shot. That was the big mistake right there. I got talked into it by a doctor.

I went into the doctor to get a prescription for an mri and i told him what i you know my shoulder's been just doesn't heal it's just constantly bothering me and he did a couple tests and he said hey you don't have any tears but what's wrong is you're the tendon that's connecting your bicep to your shoulder it's thrashed but if we put a cortisone shot in there you'll be fine and i i grew up a big football fan and i always thought cortisone shots what an athlete takes you know for to play the rest of the game but he's going to pay for it afterwards but just to get through the game give him a cortisone shot right i thought it was just a painkiller and that's what i told him and he said no it's a big myth. It actually heals the tendon. And I said, really? I said, okay.

So he did it. He said, don't do shit for 10 days. I didn't. Then it actually did. It felt amazing. And then I started lifting again. And I started lifting heavier than ever. And then about a, and dude, like all the time, I started doing your little, that routine you were talking about, some Russian said that you're supposed to do the same body parts, like, not just once a week, but like, you know, every time you go in, hit the same body parts, just don't hit them that hard.

Remember that program? Greasing the groove, yeah. Yeah, so that's what I started doing. But then I started doing, working the same body part every time I went to the gym. I did chest hard every time I went to the gym, back hard every time i went to the gym the gym i did chest hard every time i went to the gym back hard every time i went to the gym i was doing a complete body workouts it just slowly morphed into that and i always wanted to go to failure and then within two months the pain started coming back and then it just slowly progressed and now it's worse than ever so i'll never get an mri yeah no i am i am i am i

just got the prescription for that last week all i gotta do is go in now i'm gonna go get that checked out man it's such a common injury yeah you know so many guys have shoulder problems but that pillow though is helping yeah that pillow is huge i'm gonna get one that's interesting it looks awesome all right we're about to hit the main event. Jeremy Stevens just showed up. Oh, shit, Jeremy Stevens. He's a tough fucking out at 145 pounds. He is. That's a big 45-er. I mean, he's fucking big for that weight class.

And he's coming off of that fight against... Who the fuck did he just fight? He had a real good fight against a veteran where he kicked the shit out of his legs. I want to say Jim Miller. No, but that would be 55. Dude, 13 first round finishes. That is amazing. Yeah, 13 first round finishes.

Right? 17 wins by knockout. Second most knockdowns in UFC history. He's amazing. Right? Look at that. Seven straight wins by knockout. That's incredible. Second most knockdowns in UFC history. He's an animal. He's a beast. So he beat Gilbert Melendez in his last fight. Second most knockdowns in UFC history?

Crazy. That's incredible. He's a fucking animal. Jesus Christ. He's a KO of Dos Anjos. Yep. Stunning. Stunning uppercut.

Boom. Neck snap and uppercut. He's a fucking animal. Dennis Bermudez, that flying knee against the cage. Jeremy Stephens. Honey Jason, that head kick. Woo! He's got a ton of them, man.

Woo! That's his thing. He's a fucking animal. I'm excited about this fight, too, because Duho Choi brings it, and he's got a clean right hand. That right hand comes down the pipe like a piston. Isn't he

going to the Korean army though for a while? No, no. That's Chan Sung Jung, the Korean zombie. He went two years in the Korean army. But this guy's got to go too. They have compulsory service. Maybe. They'll do eventually. Wow, that's a bummer for guys that are world class fighters. should think they should give them a little break you know

let them put that shit off nope two years baby sacrifice do ho choy here we go baby it is a it is a i mean from a a ruler standpoint it's actually a great idea make everybody go to the army for two years right it's not a bad idea if you want to instill patriotism in people too and understanding of like what it means to have a country you know what is what does it mean to have an armed service if you're just some soft fat little pudgy fuck like me sitting back letting the soldiers do all the work. You know, if you actually have to go and do it yourself, you're actually over there. All they got to worry about is North Korea. That's it.

No one else is messing with them. Well, China. China's on the side of North Korea. That's part of the problem. That's part of our problem with negotiating with North Korea. They're still technically at war. Most people don't know. North Korea and South Korea? Yeah, they signed a ceasefire. They never signed an armistice. Oh, Korea. They're still technically at war. Most people don't know. North Korea and South Korea?

Yeah, they signed a ceasefire. They never signed an armistice. Oh, wow. So there's no peace treaty. They just, we'll stop fighting for right now and it held for 50 years. Did you see what the fuck happened to Hawaii the other day? Yeah. Yeah.

What the fuck, man? Dude, they're fucking with us. I found out from Kelly Slater's Instagram, I was like, what? There was a fake missile warning that a missile was coming in, and they said it was not a drill. How is that a wrong button kind of thing? You mentioned that one. It's like go through a few people before it goes out to the whole state.

Do you know how you have that thing when you're getting a phone call and you have the option to say, hey, I'll call you back. I'm driving. It's one of the two or three options you can just press. Is one of them, hey, an intercontinental ballistic missile's headed your way, Hawaii? It's like, oh, here's weather, here's missile, and you hit the wrong. No, it shouldn't work that way. It shouldn't be anywhere near like that.

It went to the whole state. That's so stupid. And Emily McFarlane was on her Instagram. I was like, yeah, apparently it was a missile. Same shit. I was unbelievable. People were fucking was like, yeah, apparently it was a missile. Same shit. I was unbelievable. People were fucking crying and freaking out, apparently. I have a friend who lives in Hawaii.

You know that's a state that's been hit before. Fuck yeah. Militarily. Yeah, right? You got to think. I mean, the memory of Pearl Harbor. There's people who were alive back then. Plenty of them.

Jeremy motherfucking Stevens. Dum, dum, dum. This should be war. I am very excited about this. There are certain guys who don't know how to have a boring fight, and Jeremy Stevens is one of those guys. Yeah, he's one of them. He's a fucking animal.

And he's looking forward to this fight, too, stylistically. A lot like the Gilbert Melendez fight. Yeah. Gil's another guy. Yep. I want to see if he goes right back to that same low calf kick. He had so much success with it in that Melendez fight. I mean, that essentially took Melendez out of his game plan real early.

He looks like such a wolf with that crazy beard. Remember when boxing didn't let guys have beards? What the fuck was that about? People were bitching about Canelo's hair when he fought Triple G. Then all his beard was too long. It softens a punch. Yeah, I don't buy that at all. Seems so ridiculous. That was like something that they used to say.

Like you used to have to shave your beard. Makes sense though. It's a big pad. Duo Choi landed Two hard leg kicks In a row I just can't imagine it Realistically softening A punch to make a difference

I mean I kind of see You have to show me something It's a pad Yeah Maybe if you have a Kimbo slice beard Cause you have that thick hair

Ooh There's a nice one by Jeremy Duo Choi It's tall For the weight class man 5'10 and a half 146 oh nice this is a you know people complain about weight cutting all the time you know we've talked about a million times but you see the guy how big these fuckers are you see why they do it i mean it's

crazy if you can do it it's worth it what. What's interesting is what California's doing. There's a bunch of guys like Marlon, like Marlon Marais. They essentially, they're not saying that he can't fight 135 again, but they're saying, dude, you're a 145-pound fighter who's killing themselves to make 135. Ooh, another one by Choi. So, Duho Choi's having, ooh, right hand over the top by Choi. Oh, knee by Choi. Oh, Duho Choi is having, oh, right hand over the top by Choi. Oh, knee by Choi. Oh, shit. He looks clean.

Yeah, chin's up. Yeah. Oh. He's relying a lot on his ability to read punches with his chin that high. Maybe, maybe, how do they decide? If someone misses weight in a certain weight category

two or three times, then automatically they're banned from that division? Well, that's a good way to do it, but there's no hard, fast rule in terms of how the UFC approaches it. It varies depending upon the individual circumstances. But with California, Andy Foster, who's the head of the Athletic Commission in California, is, in my opinion, one of the very best in the world. He's real proactive.

He's super on top of things. He's instituted a bunch of different weight classes. They've added 65, 75. They're adding more weight classes, which I think is critical. I think that's the future. I really think we spent way too much time with 20-pound gaps in between. Oh! Jeremy Stevens tags him!

Two in a row. Yeah. Oh, and a good leg kick as well. I think we spent way too much time with a minimal amount of weight classes, with these eight weight classes. I think we could use more. And what they've decided is that if a fighter is a certain weight when they weigh in, they can only be a certain weight more when they fight.

So they're weighing guys when they weigh in, and then they're weighing them right before they fight. And guys like Marlon, he gained a shitload of weight. I think he gained 17 pounds. Sorry if I'm wrong. But I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 pounds, which they were like, get the fuck out of here with that. So what happens when you show up the day of the fight

and you're 20 pounds over? What do they do? I don't think they do anything yet. I think they're recommending you show up the day of the fight and you're 20 pounds over? What do they do? I don't think they do anything yet. I think they're recommending you move up. So the real problem would be what would happen if Marlon Moraes won the title at 135 pounds, which he's world class. I mean, that's a real... It's certainly a possibility.

It's not out of the realm of possibility. It's not out of the realm. He's going to be fighting. If everything keeps going well for him, the way the Al Jermaine Sterling knockout was, he's going to wind up fighting for a world title. I think it's a great fight. If you win a world title at 135, then you're

135. You won that title? Right. He made it. The UFC and also the California State Athletic Commission, even Nevada now, they're trying to do something, which I think is important, to do something about these fucking heavyweight classes. We should talk about this fight. This fight is crazy.

Yeah, it's really good. Well, somewhere they were talking about if you missed weight, you weren't allowed to fight at that weight class for your next fight. I don't remember where they were talking about doing that, though. That's smart, too. Yeah, that was a plan I heard from a commissioner. A George Lockhart or a Dolce or someone who has a wealth of experience. Oh, left hook by Choi. Woo.

Jeremy Stevens can take it, too. That's the thing about Jeremy. And he has a tendency to come forward when he's hurt. He just wants to throw more. He wants to get you back. Yep. He's not a recoup and figure it out kind of guy. He wants some payback.

He's a fucking savage. That's why he's so fun. He's looking for something, though. He gets creative in there, though. I mean, he'll... Ooh, snappy jab by Choi. Ooh. Choi has got some clean technique, man.

Ooh! Damn. Firefight. And good footwork by Choi, too. Ooh, he goes to the body. Goes to the body with that left hook. And he invites him in by keeping the hands just low enough to bait Jeremy Stevens in. But he's reading the punches really, really well. He keeps tagging that fucking left leg of Stevens.

That last one was strong. Good stuff. Ooh, this is a five-rounder, too, right? Of course. Must be a main event. Main event. That's a weird argument, right? Like, when they changed the main events to five rounds,

not just world title fights, but main events, too. I like that. Yeah. I love love it the more rounds the better yeah they should have more five round fights definitely get you thinking like you'll you'll figure out who the fuck is the the best fighter because oftentimes things start getting weird around the fourth round but fighters make the argument i've heard this argument before like you only have so many five round fights in your Yeah. And when you're using them up on these fights where you're trying to get to a world title,

like by the time you get there, those fourth and fifth rounds, they're taking a toll on you. And we could potentially see guys with shorter careers because of that. Yeah, when I also think about what goes into a camp for a five-round fight, I mean, it's five rounds harder for eight weeks,

10 weeks, and you're starting to get into, I had this camp for a five-round fight. I mean, it's five rounds harder for eight weeks, ten weeks. And you're starting to get into, I had this camp for a five-round fight. So the camp itself is harder, too. And you know you only have so many of those in you. Yeah, there's no arguing that. It's like boxing. It used to be 15 rounds. And they went, you know, those last three. Yeah.

Really a killer. Well, I think it was that Dukku Kim. That was the fight, right? Ray Boom Boom Mancini. What a fight that was. And that was another weight cut issue. Yep. That was back when they used to make them weigh in the day of the fight.

Yeah. Ooh, front kick to the face! Yep. Referee committed suicide. Oh! Did he really? Yes, he did. God damn.

Which referee was that? That I don't remember. I don't remember his name, but I know he took his life. Oh, man. Or he got suicided. Kick to the body. Oh! Oh! Oh! Jeremy Stevens with the body. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Jeremy Stevens with the right knee, left knee. Oh, my God. Shit. Throws like shit. Jeremy stole something from him. Jeremy throws haymakers. He tagged him with that right hand.

Who the fuck is more savage than Jeremy Stevens? Not many. Oh, switch elbow there. Elbow by Troy. Nice. Looked like a jab, then turned it over. And a leg kick, a strong leg kick by Choi. And a lot of people would hesitate at this point to throw that many leg kicks

when the guy's got a right hand like that, and he's not hesitating. No, he's clearly prepared well to avoid it and to counter, make him pay, and that long, long stiff jab of his helps too. Got a little reach advantage as well. Jeremy's about, I think Jeremy's 5'8 and a half, so he's an inch and a half taller. Maybe two inches taller. Ooh.

Oh! Beautiful timing with that right hand. Snapped his head back. Ooh, nice jab too there, Jeremy. Jeremy with that right hand. Snapped his head back. Ooh, nice jab, too, there. Jeremy. Jeremy getting that timing down. Choi's taking it well, though. Yep.

Well, he took it well in that cup. Swanson for it. He took a hard leg kick there, too. Now he's... Tide's starting to turn a little bit. Yeah, he's walking him down. He's walking him down, switching legs, and looking for those big shots,

throwing some off-speed punches to close the distance. I think a couple of check lefts would be good for him. Choi's coming in, once again, with that head straight up. But Stevens just loves walking forward, man. But he's such a fucking animal. Yeah. I mean, he just loves these firefights, the opportunity to test who's the tougher guy. And especially at 145, there's just...

Oh, he tagged him! Right hand! Might be it. That was good. Good leaping shot. Staying with the left hand. Oh, shit! Oh, my God!

Done. Done. Oh, that's it? That's shit. Oh, my God. Done. Done. Oh, that's it? That's it? Oh, my goodness. What a fucking right hand. He is an animal. Dude.

Oh, he just broke that guy's back. That guy's dead. Oh, that guy's fucked. Who is that guy? Probably his dad. Oh, that's beautiful. He's playing it off. Oh, man.

That's beautiful. What a fight, too, huh? But as soon as that tide turned, as soon as he felt like I can walk through these punches, it was over. Yeah, fucking animal. Guy's a savage. He's such a savage. Jeremy Stevens. Great stuff, man.

Fuck, that was awesome. And he could do that to anybody. That's the thing. He takes it so well, and that attitude that he's got, that fucking ferocious attitude. Now, here's what's real impressive. You think about Choi's war with Cub Swanson, and you think Jeremy Stevens just smashed him inside of two.

That's impressive. Look at that. He got front kicked in the face. It was almost like a crescent kick. Took him to the side. Boom! Right hand. Boom!

Snapped him back with that one. That was the beginning of the end. That was the head snapper. That was it. And that one over the top, he caught him right on the temple. And his legs going boom! Look at that. Jesus Christ.

That's the one right there. That's the big one. Oh my goodness. Boom. That was great. Boom. Oh, my goodness. Boom. That was great. Boom. Boom. Good job.

Fuck. Hell yeah. Good stuff, man. It's a good fucking fight. Well, boys. Steven's always going to be that guy, dude. Dude, that leg toss, big over right hand. Mm-hmm.

What was it? King Moe, Seth Precicilli. Did you see that one? He cleared his legs and bombed him out. Eyes wide shut. It was crazy. Now, he fought Max Holloway, correct? Stevens?

Yeah. Probably. I feel like Max Holloway beat him in a clear decision. See if you can pull that up. I think Max Holloway beat him on the way up to the title. You know, it was a good fight, too, for Holloway. He really avoided all Jeremy Stevens. Yeah, there you go.

Max Holloway. Max Holloway. Decision unanimous. Three rounds. But that was in 2015. A little over three years ago. It's December of 2015. Interesting.

You know, you got to think with a KO like that, he's like one, maybe two fights outside of another possible shot or a possible shot at Max now that Max has the title. I like that. I like that a lot. Very interesting. But once again, always fun to watch. Piece of fucking animal. You'll always watch him. You'll always watch him.

So much fun. So next week is the big world title fight in the heavyweight division. And what does the undercard look like, Jamie? Pull up the full undercard for Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic. I think this is like the most important heavyweight title fight that I can remember. I don't remember a heavyweight title fight that people are... Biggest

one in a long time. Yeah. Because once again Stipe has a history side. Yeah. He has the, I can be the greatest of all time or up amongst them and Yeah, and if he could turn back Francis... Yeah, the last or up amongst them. And then Nagano's so scary. Yeah, the last time I think I was this interested in a fight was Junior Dos Santos versus Kane 1.

What do I do with the lighter? You have it. Oh, here it is. I'm an idiot. Yeah, here we go. So we got Stipe versus Francis at the main event. Oh, Daniel Cormier versus Volkan Ozdemir. Ooh.

That's interesting. Because Volkan, like, he got a quick ride to the title. You know, I mean, he beats OSP in a real close decision, knocks out Sarkunov, then knocks out Jimmy Manawa when everybody's like holy shit three fights in and then boom

next fight he's fighting Cormier just the way he was able to knock out Manawa and Sarkunov people are like listen

let's see it and also I mean it's a division where there was room for that new guy and he was the right guy we've seen it a million times

the right guy at the right time right guy at the right time and by all accounts in the gym he was one of the only guys that was sparring with Rumble on a daily basis. He was Rumble's main guy. That says a lot. Oh, yes.

It does. Rumble's talking about coming back as a heavyweight. Check out this shot right here. Oh, no. They didn't show it. It was before. Yeah, the one big one. The big one.

The leg toss. They showed the big shot, but they didn't show it It was before Yeah the one big one The big one The leg toss They showed the big shot But they didn't show it Set it up Here it is Boom That was nice Yeah and then the

It's right here The big one As he throws to the side Nope Nope One more Yeah Stands up

Chucks him to the side Right Just cause they know You're talking Jesus Christ He threw him the left leg Or his left arm on the right leg Fuck yeah man

I feel like he's at the top of the heap now So who else we got here Interesting The big fights, the two big fights obviously Interesting The big fights The two big fights Obviously the light heavyweight title And the heavyweight title Which is really rare

That you have I'm so out to mix with the UFC Most of that card I don't know any of those fighters Like the bottom half Of that main card I know Thomas Almeida That's it

Yeah there's so many guys man Rob Font and Thomas Almeida Is a good it. Yeah, there's so many guys, man. Rob Font and Thomas Almeida is a good fight. Yeah, I'm asking again. That's very interesting. Rob Font's a Boston guy, too. He's one of De La Grata's guys. That should be a lot of fun. So, Jimmy Smith, when's the first time they have you working?

Well, I'm doing the pre and post for 220. Oh, okay. So, you're in the Fox desk. In California? Yeah, in California. You're at Fox. Yeah, yeah. 220.

Oh, okay. So you're in the Fox desk. In California? Yeah, in California. Here at Fox. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they've offered me a couple, and I've accepted them, but they haven't announced it yet, so I don't know. Oh, so you can't say it.

I don't know if it's official yet. Right, okay. But soon. Soon is the best way to put it. Now, they just- Color. I'm assuming they just trust you, or you don't have to do any bullshit like test shows or anything like that, because I've heard of guys-

Not that I'm aware of. I've heard of guys doing test shows. They try people out and shit. Not that I'm aware of, no. I mean, it's already. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know what the fuck you're doing. I would imagine that the real hard gig has got to be finding one of them play-by-play guys that doesn't annoy the shit out of you.

Here's the deal. But no, seriously. That's a real job right there. Colors. Colors easy. Doing play-by-play, that's a real job. But they do a lot more of them. That's like being a news anchor.

But the difference between color and play-by-play is we're specific to a particular sport. And we can call grappling and combat sports and whatever. Play-by-play guys do, I'll do basketball one week and then hockey and then this and then that. It's a job. It's a job, but there are a lot more of them. You can go, okay, he's good at basketball and soccer. You can see a body of work before they jump in. A lot of times it's, we need a guy who knows a sport

and there are only so many. They can talk. Yeah, it's a very different job, very different skill set. But people get real angry if you don't know MMA. If you're like a play-by-play guy and you say some goofy shit and you don't really know the sport. The hardcore MMA fans get mad. They get mad.

And they don't forgive you either. If they don't think you really know the sport or really love the sport, those two things are critical. You have to really know it and really love it. Otherwise, they're like fuck you. People hated me when I commentated for King of the Cage. Every show I had to say

something stupid. There it is, Eddie. He just did it. They just showed it. I commentated for King of the Cage. Every show I had to say something stupid. Every show I had to say something stupid. There it is, Eddie. He just did it. They just showed it. They just showed the big Jeremy Stevens haymaker. I sucked. Oh, my God.

That was terrible. You didn't think of it as a... You know what you were really good at? You were really good as the guy in between the rounds that was explaining who won the fight. Like when you and I, people don't even remember this, but we worked together. It would be Goldberg and me, and then for a bunch of cards, you would be beside us scoring. You were the scorecard guy. Yeah.

So he had, but Eddie had a real system. Like we talked about it, and I was like, how are you doing this? And he had like a really well thought out system where he had a line down a piece of paper and he had a bunch of categories. And he had all these different things, whether it was takedowns or, and so he marked all these things on top of watching the fight. He wanted to know, like be able to look down on it. Like, oh, he landed all these right hands. Yeah. I could look at the end of the fight.

They go to me. I have to talk about what happened in the first. I gave him the second. Because remember that second, he had two takedowns. But if I didn't write it down, I would forget. So as I'm waiting to go on, I'm reviewing that first round. It's a lot easier to see what actually

happened. Because you forget. Anyways, I do. I would forget unless I wrote it down what actually happened because you forget, or anyways I do, I would forget unless I wrote it down. The funniest thing to me, or the most frustrating thing to me is they wanted me to do scorecards, kind of like unofficial scorecard, you know, whatever, just like you did, and I would do it and every time, I never wrote down a number without explaining

what I was talking about. I gave it 10-9, it's a close round, but I gave it because of this, this, and this, and people would always act like you just threw out a fucking number without saying anything what was he thinking i said what i was thinking i i never just wrote down 9 10 i always said and here's why here's you may disagree but here's my logic behind what i'm saying you can disagree with me fine but the people that act like i just write down a number without explain it's insane i'm so not going to miss that. Yeah, commentators get crucified.

When I did post-fight interviews once, I said congratulations to Randy Couture. I said, congratulations, Chuck. Or it was this. No, that's what you did. And I didn't realize I said that. And when I walked out of the octagon, who was it? Joe Silva goes, dude, you said congratulations, Chuck. I said, what?

What? Oh, my God, I'm going to get fired. I thought I was going to get fired right there. And I went up to Joe and I said, dude, did I say congratulations, Chuck? He goes, you go, yes. I'm like, oh, no. This is my last show. I totally thought I was getting fired.

100%. I can talk about this because we joke about it. We joked about it in Bellator. But Jen Brown one time, we were in. And it was a live piece. It was just to the house. So it didn't go out on air or anything. It was just for the house.

Jim Brown football? Jim Brown? No, no, no. Jen Brown. Jen Brown does stand-up stuff for Bellator. We were in Vacaville, Oklahoma. And she said, we had been in Kansas the week before. And she goes, hey, Kansas Kansas The week before And she goes Hey Kansas

And the place She died And she goes She turns to one of our producers She goes Oh you know They really didn't They really didn't react much

And the guy goes You said Kansas We're in Oklahoma And And so we laugh about that We always joke about it I love Jen But like

Yeah for weeks It was What state are we in Jen? We just met forever. But it was just an in-house piece. It didn't go out on TV or anything. It was hilarious. Oh, that's lucky.

But we've all done. Everybody knows. Yeah, we've all done. Everybody knows that she messed up. It was on the underground. People were talking shit. I've called over a thousand fights. I've fucked up a bunch of times.

Oh, man. The human brain just doesn't work perfect. You make mistakes. Sometimes what drives me crazy is I have a very good recall for fights and for scenarios and positions that people have been in and ways guys won, but occasionally there'll be a guy, and I can't remember his fucking name, and it's weird, but it's a guy that I've seen fight, like Jorge Masvidal or someone like that, that I've seen fight a hundred times. How the fuck do I, why isn't that one coming out?

It's like the brain is just not a perfect vehicle. It just doesn't always work right. It's like a Range Rover. They look beautiful, but Range Rovers work most of the time. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I have a friend who has a Range Rover, and I asked him. I said, hey, do you like that car?

He's like, yeah, but this is my second one. My last one was a lemon. I fucking knew it. And he's like, but it's a great car. It's amazing. When it drives, it's amazing. That's like how a brain is. It's just not always good.

So you're saying, congratulations, Chuck, and then leave, and you're like, how did I do that? I'll watch fights. Not necessarily yours, of course. But I'll watch somebody calling a fight. And I'll know when they spaced on the name. They'll start going. Yes! You know that pause.

Yes, yes. When you're watching, you go, he spaced on his name, dude. And sometimes it'll be basketball, football, whatever. But I'll go, I'll know as a broadcaster. I'm like, he spaced. He looked at his notes. And he got the name back. But he spaced on the fucking name.

And it happens, man. 100% possible. It happens all the time. My big fear is that I'm going to be interviewing a fighter after a fight, and then I can't remember their name when I congratulate them. The biggest fear, bro. No, that's not just you, dude. That's mine, too.

Before I go out there, I will write it. Like like if it's a dude I've never seen fight before. Like maybe one by first round knockout. I've never seen him fight before. I'm like, oh, shit. Who is this guy? He might have come from CFA or something like that. I'll write his name down. I'll read it.

I'll say it back. I'll repeat. You might see me walking to the cage, and I got my earpiece in, and I'm saying, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm'm saying his name i don't want to fuck it up you are not alone though dude that fear is huge because you're thinking about the question too because you're thinking about what to ask them and and were we on everyone was saying this we're talking about interviewing fighters is literally the hardest part of the job because they're geeked out interviews are the hardest the hardest you don't have time to prepare for it and then then you have time to ask him one, maybe two questions.

That's it. Everyone has their own question in their own head that they want to ask. And if you don't come up with something entertaining or creative, you know, people talk shit on you. It's also very important. Thank you. Yeah. It's also very important. This is what I tell people that are just trying it out for the first time,

and then any young people that are thinking about getting into MMA commentary, you're not the show. You are just trying to extract information out of this person. Your question should be just to lead them. I try to have as little personality in those things as possible. I'm just trying to just give you the platform. I'm just trying to give you maybe a path to take your answer.

I saw some beautiful things happen in the fight. I want you to express what happened in your mind. Or maybe there's some adversity that you had to go through. I want to know how bad it was. But I don't want to be there. I'm just the guy that has to say those words yeah

i hated post-fight interviews that's the i never enjoyed that shit the flip side of that though that i've run into personally of you know overdoing it too is if your question isn't a you know hey great performance tonight man if it's too open and a lot of times they go yeah you know what i mean if you don't ask them, a lot of times they go, yeah. You know what I mean? Right. If you don't ask them something a little specific, they'll just kind of go, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, if you don't say, you know. They're kind of tired. They're out of breath. Yeah. So it's that you want them to go wherever they want to go. But also, if you don't ask something specific enough, sometimes they'll go, yeah, it was. How shitty are those post-fight interviews with some of the dozens, with translator oh those are rough yeah you gotta go back and forth but honestly sometimes that gives you more time i always try to talk slow and give them something i try to simplify

what i'm saying yeah but i even then i still sometimes i fuck that up you know it's just it's one of the weirder jobs yeah i never I never liked it. I never liked that at all. I never really liked commentating either. I tried to get DC when DC was doing it, because DC was doing a few of them, like we were doing it. And I go, oh, that's your job now, bro. He's like, fuck that! You're doing that, Joe Rogan! Get in there! I go, no, no, no, man.

You're doing a good job. I like sitting here. I'm just going to sit back. He's like, fuck that! Because he was doing the fight past prelim ones. Unless you're in the industry, you'd be surprised at how many people don't realize that there's a play-by-play guy and a color. They have no clue. They just see two dudes talking.

They don't know. I didn't know. I was a grown-ass man. When I first got offered the job for King of the Cage, I didn't know the difference. I just thought, yeah, there's two dudes, two old dudes talking. They're just chit-chatting. I didn't see the system and the art, really. You know, there's a problem, though.

The problem in MMA is that the color guy is the martial arts expert. Yes. That's the way it is in football. But the play-by-play guy. Is just the news guy. Is just the guy. But the play-by-play guy in sports is kind of calling what's happening as well. He's saying, you know, they're moving the ball, they're doing this, they're going this.

Disformation is kind of it. But when you're calling a fight, especially when the fight goes to the ground, that play-by-play guy is not really saying anything, right? Yeah, he could say he's in the mount, in the mount taking big shots in the mount. You don't have to be an expert to know that. A little bit, but he's basically, he's like when gold goldie and i had a great rhythm because goldie like kind of laid off when especially when it would go to the ground he would lay off and he would just sort of like you know he would set me up like he's saying and he moves into the mount position or

he would say you know something like that and then he would just lay it up for me and then i would elaborate on the progression of techniques and where they were at yeah that's then he would just lay it up for me and then i would elaborate on the progression of techniques and where they were at yeah that's what he's supposed to do that um that's the hardest motherfucking job ever i didn't know so i get this job bud brutsman he takes over the production uh part of king of the cage and he wants to use me as a commentator because we went to the producer and i went to john jock machado academy he knew me as the mma fanatic guy and he asked me if i wanted to commentate and i said yeah fuck i'll try it i didn't know shit those first king of the cages he didn't know that there was a difference between a play

by planet color guy the producer didn't know the difference because once I started really listening to the broadcast and the UFC, I started listening to the opening and how they open shit. I go, oh, there's two jobs here. This guy is just a news telecaster and this other guy is the expert. Didn't even really realize it.

I thought they were both experts. They're just talking. I thought there were two dudes just talking and they were both experts. Totally different jobs, man. Yes, exactly. Once I realized that, I talked to Bud. I said, hey, listen, there's two jobs going on here.

I don't want to be the play-by-play guy. I want to be the color guy. He said, do both. You're going to do both. I go, all sports don't have guys that do both. You have a color guy and you have a play-by-play guy. You explain that to the producer. He goes, just to the producer.

To the producer. Okay, I just want to confirm. That's insane. He'd never done sports before, so he didn't understand. He just said, dude, you're going to do both. Both of you. Me and Don the Dragon Wilson. We were both just in there.

Don the Dragon. You were both just in there winging it. It was so bad. What's Don the Dragon Wilson up to these days? I have no idea. I have no idea. What are you so terrible? What are you grossing up to these days? I have no idea.

I have no idea. But those are some of the worst shows ever for commentary. The first. You own it so hard, dude. It was so bad. I love that. It was so bad. Oh, my God.

And then you did some shit for Pride, too. People forget about that. You had that slicked hair. Pride 10. Pride 10 with Henzo and Sakuraba when Henzo got his arm broken. Guy Metzger got headbutted by Vanderlei Silva. You were saying that Henzo,

that Sakuraba was never going to submit Henzo. Yes, that was one of the biggest blunders ever. Sakuraba has the Kimura grip in and they're standing and I said, I'm in the commentary. I said, that may work at his gym, but that's Henzo Gracie.

It's never going to work on him. And then boom, he breaks his arm. On cue. I called a fight. I said, that may be working at the gym. But it ain't going to work here. There was a guy, Ed West, Ed Wild West was fighting and he had never knocked anybody out.

Really good striker, but, you know, pitter-pat kind of striker. And I literally said, man, Ed's landing great, but not a knockout guy. And he instantly knocks him out. First one of his career right there, right in front of me. I'm like, he did that just to make me fucking look stupid. Thanks. That's when it happens, man. Good job, man.

It's almost like the universe is punishing you for hubris. Like you're pretending you know more than you do. Just shut the fuck up. Say it looks good. It's deep. Seriously, you get in that habit of going, he probably will, but you don't know. There was this one fight. Fernando Vasconcelos fought this one guy, and he schooled him.

Oh, dude, I forgot about Vasconcelos. Vasconcelos, dude. He's like one of the great guys that never really did it. Fought Carl Parisi in King of the Cage. Remember that? Fuck, he was good. Carl fucked him up, didn't he? Yeah, Carl won that fight.

Yeah, I was there. In a fight that he won, because he won, I think, two straight. He had good hands, and he wrestled. And he had a guy. He passed a guy's guard and had him in north-south. And I said, this position is called, some people call it north-south. But if you look in old judo books, it's actually called the teabag. And then I just kept going.

And Don the Dragon, I never stopped him and and i would just throw those in that's how we're talking about just having fun just to do it we didn't take it seriously oh i was and bud loved it the terry triple cock the owner hated it he hated it but bud loved it the but Bud loved it. The producer loved it. Every now and then, I would say some crazy wild shit, but Terry hated it, and the director. No, no, no, Terry loved it. What am I saying? The director, Steve, he hated it.

He was begging me to stop. Because I wasn't being professional. Directors tend to be the tough ones. Yeah, I wasn't being professional. But the owner didn't care. He loved it. So anyways, I sucked regardless. But I'm a retard. We're all in the right spot.

We're all where we want to be. I'm not born to commentate. That's not my thing. I look like now when people offer me jobs, I'm like, I don't want to commentate. I want to just enjoy the fight and just watch. Dude, that's what literally what I said to Dana when he forced me into doing it. Don't you remember when you and I used to get free tickets? I don't want to work it.

I want to watch it and just relax. I started doing commentary because I would get free tickets from the UFC. This was like when the UFC first started going to Vegas. And Eddie and I were like, dude, the UFC is in Vegas. This is crazy. We got to go. And Dana White somehow or another found out that I was a fan. So he started sending me.

He's like, hey, we'll fly you out. We'll give you free tickets. I'm like, fuck, yeah. And so we started going and hanging out with him. And I started doing commentary because when we'd hang out, I'd be like, have you ever seen Sakurai? Do you watch Pride? What do you watch overseas? Have you seen any of the Shuto fights?

I'm like, you got to see this guy. And I'd start telling him about this guy and that guy. Shuto was my favorite, man. Yeah. Oh, man. Hayato Mahasakurai. Oh, yeah. Love him.

Amazing, amazing fights. So I started talking to him about all these crazy fights that he had never heard of. And he's like, do you want to do commentary? And the next thing you know, it's like, oh, I don't want to do that. I don't want to work. And then boom. I did the first 18 shows for free I was sitting alone

for a couple shows I was all all by myself VIP front row I mean I didn't come here to be by myself we saw some classic shit though if you think about the history of the sport

like the history of boxing is an amazing history right but boxing from 1994 and boxing from 2017 18s not incredibly different yeah i mean they're there's they're definitely i think in all sports the fighters get better and better but you know you're talking about like mike tyson vander holyfield then you look at like what we got today for heavyweights like arguably as good if not better back then right but not an mma you've seen giant leaps and changes in the sport i was telling somebody i said jack johnson has more in common with a modern heavyweight than an m than a mixed martial artist does with a mixed martial artist in the late 90s. You're 100% right. By a lot. You're 100% right. By a lot.

Jack Johnson might be able to beat a lot of modern day heavyweights. If you took him to the primers and taught him some stuff, he could compete. Of course. Sure. Yeah. You take Hugo Duarte. Even if you didn't teach him anything. If you put him in there against some top 30 heavyweight that nobody that you know nobody knows guys are like not that

athletic not that good kind of okay he'll fuck a lot of people up and then he would start making his way through the ranks my favorite jack johnson story of all time he gets pulled over for speeding the the the cop says uh you're speeding it's 50 bucks he gives him 100 bucks he goes i'm gonna be coming back the same way in about an hour. Just take 100. Awesome. Because I'm going to be speeding again, bitch. Yep.

And I'm going to be fucking a lot of white chicks. Unforgivable blackness. If you haven't seen that documentary, check it out. It's amazing. It's an amazing documentary. It's incredible. Yeah, he's one of the best Roots of Fight shirts. The Galveston Giant.

It's Roots of Fight shirts with him with his wingspan on the front of the shirt. I used to box with a guy when I had a gym, and he was our boxing guy. He had the history of the heavyweight title memorized. Whoa. So you give him any year, and he would tell you who the heavyweight champion was at that time. He's one of those guys. I had to memorize every president. For what?

In order. When I was a history major. God damn. It's the kind of thing you just never let go. Once you have to do it, you're screwed. Right, you don't want to unlearn that. Yeah, yeah, you can once you're stuck. MMA in the 90s was fucking way different than this. Way different.

No internet. No internet. The UFC was huge and there was no fucking internet. And the first taste of MMA, and to get any kind of fights, like Brazilian fights, you had to go to these specialty video stores, like Japanese stores where you rent taped TV shows. Still had the commercials in them, dude. Yeah.

Still had the commercials in them. You'd watch Shudo on TV from Japan. There was a place in Little Tokyo where I used to go. Little Tokyo here in LA. And when I was in college, when I was at UCLA, I started doing Jiu Jitsu. And I used to go in there and the guy didn't speak English. And I went to the front and I'm trying to explain to him what I'm looking for. Because I knew I had to go to like a Japanese store.

And I literally said, I said all these things he didn't understand me and i said looked at him i said rumino sato and he goes oh no and he points to this wall and it's just covered covered in shuto and pride and pancreas and then recorded off tv and i went in there like every two days to get three more until i just knew all of them because you couldn't find them anywhere. I had to go to Little Tokyo. The card for the video store was in Japanese. I couldn't read it. And there was a Vale Tudo.

Yeah. There was the Brazilian scene. You know, Federico La Penda and Sergio Bartorelli. Those are the two promoters in Brazil that neckified in Vale Tudo. Sergio Bartorelli and federico la penda were the two dana whites down in brazil in the 90s before the internet and i remember my first taste of mma news on the internet uh was at um todd white my training partner were both purple belts he was a cartoon uh a cartoonist at nickelodeon and at nickelodeon they had a

they had the internet there. So when everyone was gone during lunch, dude, we would do drills at Nickelodeon in their gym. They had an awesome gym. I would drive down there and he would take his lunch in the gym and we would do jujitsu and then if there was five or ten minutes left over we would

sneak into the offices and go into the internet, dude. And all I wanted to see was the Abu Dhab into the internet. And all I wanted, all I wanted, all I wanted to see was the Abu Dhabi combat club. Remember that? That was one of the first news. That was the only place really that you were getting news from these Brazilian shows.

That was a website for MMA. Yeah. Dude, MMA in the nineties was alive and well, you know, you know, there was a hard, it was a big hardcore movement,

but there was no internet. Yeah. That's interesting. You know, there was a big hardcore movement, but there was no internet. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, we were talking about it last time, you know, weighing in on a bathroom scale in Soboba out in the desert somewhere, and it's just, you just wanted to do it. You just, you wanted to be part of it. You didn't, you know, it's hard to understand.

I got paid 150 bucks For my first fight or something And you just Well first of all I didn't get paid Neutral Grounds I fought at that Neutral Grounds In San Pedro bro

Oh damn That was my first fight man Who'd you fight? Dean Lester? I fought somebody from Submission Factory Larry Landless' old camp Larry Landless?

My coach was Fabiano Iha Oh shit Huntington Beach Fabiano Iha He called me and he goes It was Friday And he goes What areton Beach. Fabiano Iha! He called me, and he goes, it was Friday. And he goes, what are you doing Sunday? And I went, nothing. And he goes, you want to fight?

We're fighting in the back. It was like in the back of a club somewhere. And they had set up a really big cage. And I went, yeah, sure. And they lined us up against a wall. And I was next to this dude. And they went, you're about the same size, you and him. Like, they literally lined us up.

And I was like, how big you were. Because they didn't have a scale or anything. And they go, you and this dude. And I went, went okay and i was the 13th fight out of 13 fights and i got in there and they said um all right it's two five minute rounds because the rounds were all weird back then people don't remember it was like three three minute rounds two five minute rounds or whatever you know king cage a lot of times with two five minute rounds yeah i don't know why so i get in there and I remember thinking to myself, I didn't train for this. I've been doing jujitsu nine months. So I'm just gonna give it

everything I have for the first five minutes because I don't think I have any more of that. And I went, I wonder what I'm gonna do. And the bell went off and the dude fucking sprinted at me.

And I hit him and knocked him down and I got him in Fabiano's far side armbar, bro. Oh, wow. In 29 seconds. And that was my first fight and I was like,

oh, okay. All right. This just works. that was my first fight. And I was like, okay, all right. This just works. Fabiano was my first coach. He was one of the famous armbar guys. Really good armbar. Really good armbar, man. He was a Brazilian hopeful.

Like after Hoyes, all Americans that were into jiu-jitsu, we were, we liked the Brazilians more than Americans. If we were training jiu-jitsu and we were white, we would be on the Brazilian side in any MMA fight.

Because you find out real quick that style is thicker than blood. You know, you don't care. Thicker than national. Yes, nationality. How about when Minotauro beat Bob Sapp? You all right? Your knee go out? Yes.

Oh, shit. The knee popped out. Ooh. Eddie Bravo has what I believe is probably a bucket handle tear of his meniscus, and his meniscus will pop out, and it locks. Want to get you some ice, man? Straighten it out. Sure.

All right. Let me know if you need anything. What do you do? Do you pull on it to get it back? I'm not asking him questions. Why am I asking him questions? It didn't go back. It didn't go back. He's in some

pain. It's real life, folks. In February, Eddie is supposed to get a knee surgery to fix his knee. You ever have any knee surgeries, Jimmy? None. None? Knock on wood. Oh, you any knee surgeries? Jimmy? None.

None? Knock on wood. Oh, you're lucky. Very, very lucky. I have three. Hernia surgery is the only surgery I've ever had. Oh, no shit. He had that.

I'm very, very lucky. Eddie had that. There you go. There you go. You back? Whoa. So is it popped back in place? Fuck.

Ooh. Damn. That looked really painful from where I was sitting. I'm good now It's back You good? It's back It's good

It's like the seventh time it's happened I fucked up You ever seen this video? I had my leg up like this I fucked up Can you pause this and rewind this back? I want to play this video for you guys Because I call this video

The Thirsty White People video Like back this up This is one of them testosterone videos Frank Thomas commercial. Give me some volume. No, take it from the beginning. Hold on. Yeah, and give me some volume. Pause it for a second. Okay.

Now give me some volume so we can all hear it. This is the thirstiest white people video ever. These white people are gawking about what's the gentleman's name? Frank Thomas. Frank Thomas is a big ass football player. He's a baseball player. Whatever the fuck he is. Whatever. He hit a ball. about what's the gentleman's name? Frank Thomas. Frank Thomas is a big-ass football player. He's a baseball player. Whatever the fuck he is.

Whatever. He hit a ball. But here's the thing. Sorry. Big-ass professional athlete. Yes. But happens to be an African-American. Listen to how thirsty these white people sound when they're talking about him.

Go ahead. Play it. Look. Isn't that Frank Thomas? The big birds. What? The big hunt. Okay.

Do it again so people can hear. Because you got it too low. More like a big hunt. That better? The big birds. What? The big hunk. Okay, do it again so people can hear because you got it too low. More like the big hunk. That better be a brother. Can you turn it louder? If that's her husband. Hold on, turn it louder. Wow, Frank Thomas. Hi, how's it going?

Good. You look like you can still be playing. That's what I said. Well, I am from a stronger leader. Now, listen to this part. So what's your secret? I wish my husband did? I wish my husband did Jesus Christ

I take eugenics I wish my husband did She's standing right next to him Just begging for the dick That's a crazy commercial That dude is like That's the worst white people commercial ever Oh that's her gay friend

No She said or hunk She said or hunk No that's her husband And she's! She said, or hunk. She said, or hunk. No, that's her husband, and she's making him feel like shit. Look at him. And this guy's bench pressing and shit and throwing dick at all the white chicks in the gym. Guaranteed. How does he not?

How does he say no? They are literally backing their pussy up into a catapult and launching it at him. I wish my husband did. Look, it says smash. See that in the text? The text message? It says smash. They're talking about smashing pussy.

That's what dudes say when they say, what happened? Oh, I smashed it. That's what they're saying. It says that in the thing. It says smash. What are you smashing? Yeah. God damn it.

That's a thirsty white people commercial. Do you want this stuff now? That's just what I'm curious about. Did it work? Is it effective? I mean, it might work. Probably bullshit. But what's not bullshit is the love that those white people have for that black athlete.

Yeah, that was a crazy commercial. That's a crazy commercial. Whoa. More like a hunk. She's going to the hk in front of her husband, and then the other lady is saying, I wish my husband did. Like, whoa. Slow down, thirsty white people.

Slow the fuck down. Well, it's a replay of your boy. Yeah. Mech and Kamaru Usman. Interesting. Interesting. Oh, see right there, that spinning back fist? He got tagged.

Showed some good goddamn wrestling, though. And all entertaining fights, too. It was a good card all around. Yeah, it was a very good card. Very good card. Very good card. Very interesting. I'm so curious about next weekend.

I mean, it's only six days away from today. Yeah, man. I'm so curious. What do you think about the switch? You guys were talking about the wrestling move, the switch. How important do you think that is to train in MMA?

God, I think it's huge. I think it's important to know for sure. It's just one of many components, but it seems like an important move. You'd think you'd see it more. Wrestlers do it all the time. Wrestlers do it all the time. But in MMA.

Yeah. I know it's a wrestling move, but in MMA, you'd think you'd see it more. You see it once every four years. Actually executed all the way through. Yeah. Right? You don't see it that often. I didn't see it at all until a few years ago.

It was like wrestlers just started doing it. Yeah, like you'd think you would see it all the goddamn time. Yeah. It's a good move. Very good. So I just, you know, it's in our warm-ups and everything. I just wanted your opinion. Yeah.

Is it necessary? You never see it in MMA. I think so. You think so? Okay. Yeah, I do. It's got to be, right? Yeah.

I teach these guys all the time. I think it's great. Personally, I do. I really do. It's got to be, right? Yeah. I teach these guys all the time. I think it's great. Personally, I think it's a good move. Kamaru Usman talking mad shit. I wish I could have heard what he said. Paul Felder with a beautiful pocket square and a nice watch. Look at him. Handsome devil.

That's a nice suit. Looks good. It's a big watch. Can you wear it again, though? Yeah. Can you wear it again? You can wear the suit again? Yeah.

As in? Nobody. They're all afraid to fight me. Because Bruce Buffer has a different outfit every show. He doesn't wear the same one twice. Well, let me just tell you, David August makes all the suits for the commentary team on the UFC. He makes my suits. And he tailors them to you perfectly.

If you see that one that's on paul or if you see the ones on me i'm a slob man i would never bought those suits on my own i'm too stupid yeah they had to bring somebody in but since then i had him make me some stuff in my personal life might as well yeah i had him i i hired him to make damn darren tell is number seven one fight with cowboy and he's number seven above Neil Magny, which is crazy. That's interesting. But yeah, so the UFC makes you a few suits. I got a couple different color suits.

Nice. I like three or four different ones. So they don't allow that black shirt anymore? Well, I have black shirts, but now I have like real clothes. Real black shirts. Real expensive black shirts. Like an adult. I never wear black shirts, but now I have real clothes. Real black shirts. Real adult. Expensive black shirts. Like an adult. I never wear black shirts.

Why? Ever. Oh, because I would. Everybody, I get so much shit every time. I told somebody, I threw away, I had black shirts because they go with everything. I fucking threw all of them away. People at home, by the way, Eddie Bravo, outside, as I pulled up, thought I was Joe. He stood me, walked up to me like, oh hey jimmy and i was like he

fucking thought i was and he goes thought you were joe dude and i was like no he came in with an old ass car i thought it was another firebird yeah that's so yeah i don't wear fucking black shirts i'm so sorry fuck you what's fucked up is that you were bald before me i was your head before i fucking freaked out when you chopped your head. I tapped out later. I was like, fuck. Yeah. But it's cool, man. It's all good.

I apologize. It's all right. No, it's just an illustration of the natural. My mom got us confused one time. I'm not even fucking joking. Oh, no. I told you that story on the first podcast. Oh, that's right. That's right.

I was at my mom's house. She was making me dinner, and I was going to watch UFC. So a lot of times I go to my mom's house. She's an amazing cook. She's Greek. You guys will have to come over and have dinner sometime. All right. So I went mom's house. She was making me dinner, and I was going to watch UFC. So a lot of times I go to my mom's house. She's an amazing cook. She's Greek. You guys will have to come over and have dinner sometime. All right. So I went to her house.

She was making me dinner. We were watching the UFC. She turns around. She goes, oh, this is one of yours. No, mom, that's Joe Rogan. And she goes, she fucking paused. She goes, man, he looks like you. I was like, thanks, mom.

I get this shit fucking 50 times a day on the internet. I'm going to get this from my own mother, but I still eat the food. I forgive her. You got shit on the internet, but one of the things about you, dude, you don't toot your own horn. I do not. You're universally respected. Thank you very much, man.

With people that know the sport. Thank you. Which is why I was campaigning to get you hired by the UFC years ago. I'm like, this guy's the shit. He knows his stuff. I appreciate that, man. I'm excited, man. And I'm excited, too, for Big John.

I love John. And I'm excited he got that gig. I hope that really works out well for him. And I think it's going to be interesting. I understand completely kind of the step. And then I don't recall a referee ever doing commentary. I mean, he did Affliction. He did the first Affliction show.

But it's a different perspective. He's seeing it from an angle that no fighter or coach is really going to see. And so I think it's great because any fighter is going to be compared to all the other fighters that do it. A referee, he's just going to have a different perspective. And I think that's a good choice. If he does it with John or if John does it with Mike, Goldberg and John are real good friends. First show is Mike.

That's perfect. I believe. Don't quote me on that, but I believe it. Because they're real good friends. So that should just be real easy. Yeah. Mike's easy to work with. He's great.

Mike's easy to work with. Mauro was too. Both guys were easy to work with. They're very different. But both guys were easy to work with, man. I was impressed with both of them, honestly. Yeah. Mike's a sweetheart. Look, we need I was impressed with both of them, honestly. Yeah, Mike's a sweetheart.

Look, we need more work for a lot of guys. But for what we do, there's not a lot of guys that do it. You know, there's Paul Felder, who I think does a fucking phenomenal job. And I would have loved to listen to him tonight if we weren't yapping. But he does a great job. He's a smooth, smooth guy. Very smooth. I think Dan Hardy does a great job.

You know, Brian Stan was one of my favorites favorites i was bummed out when brian left yeah he he prepared better than anybody brian stan will pull out shit about training and all these different weird things you didn't know about preparation and the things that fighters do that this guy did that was unusual and like whoa his preparation was top of the food chain. It's a full-time job. People don't get that. In terms of like when I'm not doing commentary, I'm studying fights all the time because I'm not just watching them.

I've got to sit there and study them, which is a totally different job. What's funny is Joe never prepared for shit. He didn't prepare for anything. I'm speaking for myself, personally. Joe would just walk on and just crush with no preparation. Maybe a couple thoughts, couple notes, but he wasn't preparing at all. It was hilarious. It was too easy for you.

Well, it's all the things I do live. If you think about how much stand-up I do live, and then how much podcasts I do live. This is before the podcast. That's true. That is true. Well, you know the thing was, they wanted to have some sort of planned-out interaction.

That's one of the things that people would freak out about. When we would do the beginning of the fight, and Goldberg would say, would freak out about like when we would do the beginning of the fight and gold where goldberg would say like matt hughes fights frank trigg for the ufc welterweight title you know and this is an important fight he would i didn't know what the fuck i was gonna say i didn't know what he was gonna say i didn't know what i was gonna say i had no idea but i knew about the fight so my point was like it's better to be in the moment and really care about this fight and care about what I think is going to happen and not have anything planned out.

I just wanted to be able to go, this is what's critical in this fight. And we're going to know early on whether or not the fight's going to go one way or other based on a couple of parameters. And I would just go into those things and then after it would be over, I'd be like, oh, worked out. But I tell new people. It's too easy for you be like oh worked out yeah but i tell new people easy for you man no god damn easy i tell new people godfather of color yeah no mma are you kidding me a hundred percent but but but what i what i tell people don't write down you'll think

about what did i write down rather than the i tell people i go never play by play do of course but i go color don't write down notes or don't write down here's what I'm going to say because you'll start thinking about what you wrote down. And you'll sound fake. And you'll sound fake. It doesn't work. Have a couple bullet points in your head, what you want to hit, just know the two bullet points and you'll get through the open.

And he opens 15 seconds. I think the two most important things are you got to actually care. This has to be important to you. I'm going to be thinking about Francis and Stipe all fucking day. I'm going to think about them all day tomorrow. If I'm bored and I'm in the middle of doing something else, I'm going to think, what the fuck is going to happen next Saturday night? So you've got to care.

It has to mean something to you, and you have to know what you're talking about. So you have to understand the sport. You have to have a deep knowledge in it. You have to really care, and then it should just sort of work itself out. Like if you've thought about it and you're like, okay, here's what's going to happen. Stipe's got to get the clinch. He's got to figure out a way to, he doesn't want to stand on the outside with that guy. The guy's got these crazy long arms and you can't make a mistake. One punch puts you into orbit. So you have to be real careful with your clothes in the distance.

You've got to clinch all. And I think if you go into it that way, if you really understand fighting and you really care about what's going on, it's just a matter of expressing yourself. The two things that separate the men from the boys in commentary, and I'm like is this is the honest truth to me is number two and i will always text like you or annick or something when there are a lot of knockouts early in a fight i'll be like how's it going because that's when it's like we have to fill all this time because you understand tv is they've they've booked a two-hour tv show or three-hour pay-per-view whatever is they gotta fill They got to fill X amount of minutes, period. It doesn't matter what happens.

So they either use fights that they've already used or Jimmy, get up and interview this fighter. We need five minutes like right now. So that's when the tap dancing happens. It is a lot of early knockouts. You have to fill a lot of time. That's tough. The second one is when you have a 25-minute snooze fest

and you're going, oh, I got to think of something. Those are the two parts that are really channel we're talking about how hard interviews are but in terms of in commentary those two are tough when there are early knockouts or long boring fights how about commentating for fights that uh you have you've never heard of the fighters just a bunch of guys, rookies, back in 2001, 2002, just, and man, it wasn't fun. King of the King used to have 25

fights in a fucking night, man. It used to be all fucking night. I did a gladiator challenge, too. Eddie, do you remember 250 a show? I paid more than that. Dude, rip me off. I got 200 bucks a fight in a fucking thing. Do you remember the Hitman show where they pretended there weren't real fights?

Oh, my God. Babalu and Chael. But there was real fights. There were real fights, but they were like, hey, we're filming a show. Yeah, start in the beginning. It's fake. So they got around the MMA rules by saying that it was fake. Yeah, a movie.

It's a famous thing here in California for the listeners who weren't around. MMA rules by saying that it was fake. Yeah, a movie. Yeah, that it was a movie. It's a famous thing here in California for the listeners who weren't around. MMA wasn't legal. So what they did is that they pretended they were shooting a movie. And do you remember the cards for the fight said, like, Hitman the movie? Yeah. Yes! Do you remember that?

And on the back, it had the fight card on it. And it was a real fight card. but they pretended they were filming a movie. Yeah. And so the cops showed up and said, oh, yeah, then who wins the fights if this is fake? And that's why that night they just chose winners. It didn't matter who won. And so for a while, those people had goofy records until they eliminated them. This is a famous guy.

Do you remember that? The cops showed up. That's right. And they had to like records until they eliminated him this is a famous do you remember that the cops showed up and they had to like oh yeah this is fake Chael wins or whatever I forget who won but they just raised his hand and even though he didn't win

and so so the cops wouldn't bust everybody but that's yeah the famous Hitman show Hitman the movie I remember that

crazy back in the day dude back in the day but listen we gotta wrap this up. But I just want to say that it's been real cool to be friends with you all these years while you were working for Bellator. It always meant a lot to me that you and I were never weird, even though we were both doing the same job for other organizations.

We were both really cool. I got you tickets to UFC before. We hung out a bunch of times. He did the podcast a bunch of times. And we would text back and forth all the time while fights were going on. I would text him when crazy Bellator fights were going on. He would text me when crazy UFC fights were going on. So, like, during the fight sometimes, I'd be texting Jimmy.

We'd be going back and forth. It meant a lot to me that we were tight. It did. And it means a lot to me now that you're at the UFC. I love it. I'm very happy. I wouldn't be there without you. I wouldn't.

And I'm happy everybody knows that. I mean, it's like, you know, it's meant a lot to me that you reached out to me when I first left Bellator. And you said, keep your head up, man. You're the best. And I didn't you reached out to me when i first left bellator and you said keep your head up man you're the best and i didn't know you knew who i was and that's where everything started and it was the first time i realized man people outside this bubble actually have any idea who i am and you didn't have to do that and it it's meant a lot for years and it's i'm just thrilled that it finally worked out and we're in the same spot man i. I'm so pumped. But you're an amazing dude, man. I really appreciate your support.

You are too, man. And you're really fucking good. Thank you. It means a lot to me because I'm a fan. I like watching fights. And you call them fantastic. Thanks, man. I appreciate that.

And Eddie Bravo, you're pretty beautiful too. You're awesome too, Eddie. Your face looks so amazing since you're not drinking. Beautiful dude. When are you getting your knee surgery? That's a good question. You said February? Tony's got a fight coming up, so I'm going to wait until after that's over.

Oh, did they schedule something? What? A fight for Tony? They're working on something. Oh, okay. So you wouldn't be able to. You heard it here first. Did you just let something out of the bag?

No. Tony's a fighter. He's always working on a new fight. So if you have your knee fucked up, you just won't be able to demonstrate techniques? Is that what it is? If I have ACL surgery, I think I'm going to be on crutches for four weeks or something. No. ACL?

I went to a party five days after my surgery. ACL? Really? I didn't even wear crutches. Okay, good. Yeah, I just put a party five days after my surgery. ACL? Really? Yeah, I just put a knee brace on. Five days afterwards. I've never had ACL surgery so I was just thinking it was going to be like four weeks of crutches. If you get a cadaver graft, it's so non-invasive. It's fucking amazing. I hear patella's the best.

No. I've had both. The cadaver's the best. The problem with the cadaver is some people say, I've never heard that. I mean, it might. It happened to Benji Radek. He had a cadaver. Yeah, but I think he just got an infection.

I think he got MRSA. I know exactly what happened because the doctor, the knee doctor that did it, I know him. He's my doctor. He said that was the last time he did a cadaver because it got infected and it was really bad. So ever since then then he stopped doing cadavers he just sticks to patella i have both this one's patella this one's cadaver this one

was way quicker healing uh way less invasive and neither one of them give me problems today but i think uh i think if i had to do it again, I'd do cadaver. Interesting. I'll look into it. They also use a thicker tendon because they use the Achilles tendon. These big fat rope. And they stick that bad boy in there. It's 150% stronger than your natural ACL. Damn. Maybe I need to do that.

I would do that. 100%. I would do it. If you want, my guy, Gettleman, who did both my knees, he's amazing. He justettleman Who did both my knees He's amazing He just did my buddy's shoulder too He's amazing And he's out here He's actually

Simi Valley And I think he has a place In Beverly Hills too He does a lot of pro athletes Can't do shit Till after that fight So it's gonna be A couple months

Right But if you If you just did it Did the surgery You would still be able To coach him You just wouldn't be able To do certain moves

And maybe you could bring Someone like Marvin Or you know One of your best guys. Yeah, you know what you're right I don't think you should put it off. You're right. I'm looking at a whole different way now Yeah, I should just fucking do it do it Just do it because that's six months that'll take to rehab happens before you know it But if you put it off that six months happens before you know it to And all the six months later you still have a fucked up knee and you haven't gotten a surgery It just went out on air. Yeah, you can't get it bad get that shit fix

Yeah, get that shit fix. It didn't look like it was gonna pop back in the last two times that happened It was really hard to pop back in and I'm thinking man What if it gets stuck like this shit you won't be able to roll hard for six months But the reality is you'll be able to do a lot of stuff before then, especially when you're showing, you're drilling and just showing and there's no resistance. Yeah. You'll be able to do a lot pretty quick. As long as there's no resistance on your knee, you'll be able to do a lot like three months

in and you'll be doing, I'm sure you'll be doing a ton of rehab. You'll be on the ball with that shit. You know, you're, you're going to be, you're going to be very, yeah. I'm ready to get back to work, son. I hear you, dog. All right. Let's wrap this bitch up. Jimmy Smith, thanks for doing this, brother.

Welcome aboard. Love you. Love you, too, man. All right. Eddie Bravo, love you, too. Hey, I'm releasing Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds 1. It happened about a month and a half ago on my YouTube. Tomorrow morning, it's free now.

Don't miss it. Beautiful. And the YouTube is just Eddie Bravo? Yes. Beautiful. Twister Eddie, I think. Okay. People will find it.

They'll find it. All right, folks. Tomorrow, I got a double header. So we start with John Donahue at 8 a.m. See you. See you. See you. See you.