The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 29, 2017

Episode Date: January 29, 2017

Joe sits down with Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, Eddie Bravo & Robin Black to watch fights from January 28, 2017.

Everybody be really careful we don't talk over each other because, um, you know, it's fucking- it's hard not to. There's six of us here. Yeah, Brian. Alright. You're live. Yeah, Brian. Okay, we're live, you fucking freaks. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, this is an unprecedented podcast. This is the first time we've ever done an After The Fact podcast.

Brendan Schaub and I know all the goddamn results. See, there's everybody else. Brian knows one result. Eddie knows none. Robin- I know them all. He knows them all. I'm the only one? Yeah, you're the only one. Brian knows one result Eddie knows none Robin I know them all He knows them all I'm the only one

Yeah the only one So this is beautiful So no one's gonna cheat We're not gonna We're not gonna Make picks But we decided We got a bunch of people here

Jimmy Burke's here Our friend Jimmy Burke From New York Was in town for Brian's Birthday party last night That's right Eddie Bravo's here of course Brian Cowan's here

Brendan Shaw Robin Black's in town So Robin Black's here So it's gonna be a lot Of talking over each other folks Okay Just deal with that Just deal with that Eddie Bravo is here, of course. Brian Cowan is here. Brendan Shaw. Robin Black's in town. Robin Black's here. So it's going to be a lot of talking over each other, folks. Okay? Just deal with that. Just deal with that.

We're going to watch the fights. You've been warned. It's like a Bukowski set in here. If you're expecting any of us to constantly watch the fights only, that's not going to happen either. So there's no rules. Okay? Whatever expectations you have, release those or whatever. Release them. Release them.

All right, right now we're playing it. We're going to start it, and we recorded it. So this is the first time we've got a recording, and we're going to watch the fights. I'm going to fast forward to the – when should I fast forward? I should fast forward to the first fight, right? Yeah. Just enjoy it.

Just let it run. You guys have already seen it anyways. Let's watch the commercials, all that shit. Oh, I'm excited about this one. But the problem is we can't really play it out loud where we can hear it on the podcast. I know. But that's what I'm saying. So we might as well just fast forward through all this nonsense.

Just to the fights. Yeah, you don't want to watch all this pregame bullshit. It's kind of like porn. So there's some good fights in this fucking card. There's good fights in actuality and good fights on film. Masvidal and Cowboy. Dude. Damn, Eddie really doesn't

know the result. I love this. I had to watch that fight. I've been out of the loop. I can't wait for your breakdown, Robin Black. So here we go. We're fast-forwarding through John Anik and his super metrosexual tie selection.

I love that tie. Oh, wow. Moroccan purple ties. I love them. Maybe it's an homage to Prince. So we'll fast forward through this. I go pink tie on picture. Yeah, why not, man?

So the first fight is Alex Caceres versus, what's homeboy's name that he fights? Oh, he fights a dude from Alan Belcher's camp. He's a wild man. The redneck. Jason Knight. Jason Knight, that's right. He's fucking good. Yeah, he's very good, and he's crazy.

And he's got a really good guard, too. He talks mad shit inside the octagon, too. He had this fight, and he was screaming at this dude going, come on, man, take me down. No, you want to take me down? You don't want to stand with me bitch You know you want to take me down bitch Do it do it I was like damn

Hilarious That came out on the broadcast Yeah yeah well I was laughing while it was happening Because I was doing the commentary while I was going down Not during this broadcast It was another broadcast This fight is with him and Alex Caceres So this is a Like a kind of a sleeper broadcast. It was another broadcast. This fight is with him and Alex Caceres.

So this is kind of a sleeper of a fight. Yeah, cool fight. Here we go. Boom. Alright, so for the folks at home, what we'll do is when the first fight starts, right now they're showing the side-by-side comparisons, the heights and weights and jazz, tail of the tape, and now Bruce Buffer's doing a little introduction

here. Why do they call it the tail of the tape? It's been that for 50 years Somebody but somebody invented that that was new once. Well, you know, it's weird man. How come they stopped the tape? They stopped measuring legs. They measured legs for a little while and then they stopped measuring legs. Yeah, they were doing only weeks Boxing they measured legs. No, no, MMA, we were always complaining. With Jon Jones, you're not fighting his arms. You're fighting his arms and

his fucking legs. He's so tall. A lot of guys. It was Joe Silva who asked for a leg reach, I think. Yes.

Joe asked for a lot of shit. He's the reason why Mickey Gall's Hey Mickey, you're so fine, you're so fine, you're blowing

my mind. That's how it got on the broadcast because Dana White was like, fuck that. You can't play that song for Mickey Gal when he fought CM Punk. You know Dana's so particular. He goes through all the walkout songs before, because he loves music.

He shot one of my walkout songs down the night before the fight. What was the song? It was, I forget, in Brazil. It was some cool song. I thought it was cool. It was like a dance song. And I get a call. My coach is like, hey, it's Dana White.

I'm like, oh, shit, what's going on? Am I getting a bonus early or something? Because I thought I was going to knock Nogueira out. I'm like, just give it to me now. And he's like, hey, that walkout sound's not happening. Pick something else. I was like, yes, sir. I didn't play Girl From the Union.

This is not a bonus. What did you pick? Eminem square dance. Oh, OK. All right, Alex Caceres and Jason Knight, 457, 456, 455, 454, 453. All right, sync it up. Caceres just shoveled the left hand, right? Oh, good inside leg kick by Caceres.

Caceres is super underrated. You've got to remember what Yair Rodriguez did to BJ Penn and then think of him and Caceres. They essentially fought to basically what might have been a draw. That's a style matchup, though, don't you think? In a lot of ways. For me, with Bruce Leroy, I like him. He's fun to watch.

He's so hot and cold. He's on, he's off. He's on, he's off. Greg Jackson used Leroy for most of the sparring rounds for BJ. No kidding. Yeah, he was his main sparring guy, and he was doing great with him. I actually thought BJ did very well in the first two minutes.

The difference between what Yair does and Alex does is Alex's strikes, they come in high volume, interesting angles, he's very creative, but they're not instantaneously lethal. Yair can fuck you up with one shot. He makes a point.

Is he the greatest kicker in MMA history? you know what you gotta see him. You gotta see him against a world-class Muay Thai guy That's what you got to see because right now we don't see him Every now and then someone Yeah, every now and then someone lands one of those kung fu kicks every now and then he lands multiple every fight. Yeah one of those kung fu kicks every now and then. He lands multiple every fight. Greatest of all times.

Who's done that? Who's landed Wonder Boy Thompson? Those are Jet Li kicks that he is landing. Nobody else is landing Jet Li kicks. How dare you compare

to Jet Li. BJ Penn always fights from a boxing distance. In a lot of ways his style is tailor made. He's an older guy. He hasn't fought in two plus years.

Before that he got worked by Frankie Edgar. So you're talking about a bj pen that's been seriously out of the loop for a long time and then he steps in there against this fucking bandolero this dude throwing 360 round kicks i mean his style like it was almost like everything was taylor suited for yaya rodriguez you know what i'm recommending for my fighters i'm recommending i'm talking uh i told a couple of them that they should start just doing us local

Sunday Taekwondo class So weak just to get the spins down. We know it works. We know it's effective Look, yeah, you're proven it every MMA fighter out there should be emulating. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I think the days of coming out and of course I don't know anything about striking but the days of coming out and just boxing and throwing a leg kick every now and then I think that's not going to work in the future it's not going to work against a guy like Yair

look at John Jones, look at Conor McGregor you see these guys throwing all those Taekwondo Kung Fu kicks successfully if you're an MMA fighter up there you coming up, I think you should start taking Taekwondo now I think you got a good point but I think if if you watch Glory, there's a good fight that I talked about recently because I got Joseph Valtellini on.

He used to be Glory. Yeah, George Wiccan. He's wicked. I love that guy. Wicked kickboxing champion. Really good guy, too. But anyway, he fought Raymond Daniels. He's one of the best at throwing those wild, crazy fucking kicks.

Oh, Leroy's fucking good, man. Yeah. I mean, what Raymond Daniels did inside the octagon or inside the glory ring, he threw a flying sidekick, touched the dude, and then spinning back kicked him in the air in the face. Oh, so there's guys like that in glory? What? Uh-huh.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yo, Raymond Daniels is a wild motherfucker. But anyway. Like the Matrix. Valtellini. So you would see him doing the same kind of stuff that Yair Rodriguez does. He would say, oh my God, if this guy gets in the UFC, he's going to fuck everybody up.

But Joseph Valtellini just chopped him down. Fundamentals. Pressure, too. Pressure, really strong physical guy, high guard, super tight defense, and just kept kicking the fuck out of his legs. You've got to do both, though. And then he finally head-cashed him. Western boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo mix.

No, I totally agree with you. But what I'm saying is we need to see a Yair against a guy like a Niki Holtskin or a guy like a Joseph Valtellini. They have that super powerful low kick fundamental game. We don't have a lot of guys that are that strong at that inside the octagon. Yeah, I'm sorry. Joe would

mutilate him. Joe Valtellini would just rip him. Now, MMA is a different thing, but if they kickbox, Joe would just destroy him. Joe's way larger than him, so it's not a good matchup, period. Technique-wise, though, and fundamentals. Valtellini's just on another level when it comes to his kickbox,

his leg kicks. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah. We're only talking kickboxing. We're only talking kickboxing. Just MMA. I think I'm talking, yeah, I get what you're saying.

But he's landing it, so when I, I think he's against BJ. Yes, but in MMA, with the threat of being taken down. Yeah, he's making it work. The threat of being taken down. Yes, that's BJ. Against BJ. Yes, but in MMA with the threat of being taken down. Yeah, he's making it work. There's a threat of being taken down. Yes, that's true.

You know what I mean? Right. So you could do wild shit in kickboxing because there's no threat of getting choked out. That's true. So I'm thinking- But those guys are way better too. They're way better at leg kicks. Way higher level.

The reason these things- But in a real fight though. That's what I'm saying. That's true. That's true. Because he's doing it in a real fight. So he's better what I'm saying. Yeah, he's better because he's doing it in a real fight. So he's better. He's better.

Oh, that's beautiful. Jason Knight taking it back. Oh, look at this. 13 seconds, though. You got time. Not enough time. Oh. What?

What? Oh, he's in deep. He's got enough time. He's pushing up on the chin. He's on the chin. He should dance Severnum right there. Oh. Someone threw a card in the octagon, man.

Crazy. A card? It's dicks. Yeah.. Someone threw a card in the octagon, man. A card? Dicks. Someone threw a business card in the octagon. Eddie, I think the reason you're seeing these kicks work is because guys weren't training them. If everybody's training the same shit, you're supposed to do something different. Everybody in the gym, they're training jab, cross, low kick, low kick, left hook. They're doing all the same stuff. If we all train the same stuff and our training partners train all the same stuff We're not prepared for different stuff to the thing, but I hear is the I hear could do the other shit, too

Yes Very good. He's very good scrambling. I think he's a purple Yeah, I think he's purple. I think he's purple he's wrestling We're doing a big scrambling wrestling would be an issue, but what I'm saying is his Muay Thai is good, too Like he's got real strong leg kick fundamentals. He throws good elbows. He throws wild shit. Now in that BJ Penn fight, if they got an instant rematch in another dimension, what would BJ do?

Pulling guard might be part of the strategy. Oh, for BJ? Yes. Because we already saw shit. We took a glimpse. You couldn't take him down with straight wrestling. Always try. First option should be try't take him down With straight wrestling Always try First option should be

Try to take him down With straight wrestling Pass his guard Get on top Mount Take his back But if you can't Take the guy down

And he's beating you up Stand in What else are you going to do? I don't think I would engage BJ There's an art To pulling guards

BJ got chest to chest On him though There's an art To pulling guards It's just like a takedown. You don't just sit on your butt. You got to shoot deep enough to make him sprawl. And then it's, watch Paul Sass.

Paul Sass. He shoots, they sprawl, and then boom, now you got something. But what you're describing is different again. It's not the norm of what everybody's training. And that's why it's a great idea. I call it the third option. In that case, pulling guard, especially BJ's a world champion black belt. He should have a guard.

It's crazy that people don't pull guards. BJ never taps anybody off his back. BJ would always sweep guys. He would always mount them, take the back. Or whatever. That's a takedown. Pull guards, sweep them out. No, I'm just saying.

It's just interesting that he never tapped anybody off his back. Remember Noguera versus Tim Sylvia? Yeah. Noguera wanted to take him down. Couldn't take him down. Tim Sylvia was fucking him up with that long jab. What did Noguera do? He shot for a weak-ass single and then pulled guard.

Pulled half guard. Yeah, pulled half guard. Pulled half guard. Yeah. Miguel Torres on Demetrius Johnson. And then he went, it was a trick. He pulled and then he did a deep half sweep, got on top and guillotined him. Miguel Torres did that over and over with Demetrius Johnson.

Yeah, people think pulling guard, I mean, it's like admitting you lost. It's like committing suicide. But if it was committing suicide for real, people think pulling guard, you're going to get killed pulling guard. How come it's so hard to do? How come when Vinny Magalhaes sits on his ass, his opponent goes, no, you stand up. For Doom 2. If it's suicide, he's letting you get on top. Awesome stuff.

Night here. Oh, shit. Man. Night's on top. He broke the two underhooks. Oh, he's back again. I like how he's just not body locked, right? He's not body locked.

Instead of getting the hooks in, he goes straight to the body lock? That is such a painful... Oh! Oh! Oh, the fence fucked him. Wow! The old fence fuck. He couldn't arch and sink it in.

That's a bad place to be, huh? Yeah. These are hard shots from this position, too. Sub to punches to sub to punches to sub to punches. Powerful wing tattoos. Yeah, because it's a terrible position to be in with that fucking body triangle squeezing down your abdomen. This guy's a specialist on the body triangle.

And right here, in the old days, it would be over already. When they allowed pointed elbows to the back of the head, dudes would tap ass. We've talked about this so many times, but I really do want to study on what kind of damage happens when you elbow someone in the back of the head, and why is it illegal?

You'd have to look at the guy's back in the battlecade. Remember, John Lewis did it to somebody. He landed like three. You can lose Henzo. Henzo's your taste. Henzo and Stikers, the judo guy. Remember that? I remember thinking, man, that's going to kill the rear naked choke.

No one needs a rear naked choke. You're just going to get someone's back. They get that wrist right. Elbows, and it's over. Heavy hips and elbows. Yeah, you don't need a rear naked choke. You're just going to get someone's back starting to have elbows and it's over. Heavy hips and elbows? Yeah, you don't need a rear naked choke. Can you do elbows?

Oh no, just open hand in what you're doing? To the side. To the side. Not to the back of the head. Just, it's the same target. How are you going to stop someone from falling through

with that elbow? I know. Oh! I know a guy that can do this. Jesus, oh Jesus. It's on the chin. Guys are finishing

on the chin these days. Yeah, the pressure's intense. You can't do it on the chin. Yeah. Guys are finishing on the chin these days. Yeah, yeah. The pressure's intense. You can't do it on the chin. You can't do it with just a straight gable grip. He's relentless. Over the chin, if you sink it in deep. Great defense by Bruce Duhler. He is doing good.

He's in the worst case scenario, and he's fighting, and now he's got the lip. Don't you think that the hair, when it comes to guillotines and things like that, it's going to offer you just a touch more friction. And it's going to make it harder to get out of stuff. Texture. Or harder to get into. Yes, that too, right? His hair might get in the way of some chokes. I bet it would. It looks like he'd be hard to darse.

By the way, speaking of hitting in the back of the head, I know somebody who got hit in the back of the head and lost their taste buds. He got hit once. You could go deaf too. He could never taste again. What did he get hit with? With a punch to the back of the head. And their taste buds. He got hit once. You could go deaf, too. He could never taste again. What did he get hit with? With a punch to the back of the head. And he could never taste again.

Hey, Eddie, after... So if someone says you have no taste... When you put that body triangle in and they take the other leg and extend, you get the other foot underneath his leg. Why? The butterfly, the other leg. Whose foot? So in a scenario, I got the body lock here, and this other foot extending. Whose foot?

I'll show you right here. Oh, there it is. Look over. This foot, I've got the body triangle. This foot here, I've got behind and I'm tangled. So this is people listening to this. Try to explain it. Right here, you should hit him with a dance sound.

It's the body lock that you're seeing right now. Yeah, that one. The white foot you see right there. Why is he hooking that in there? Just added control? Did he tap? Oh, he just got him. Oh, he got him.

Oh, shit. It's a matter of time. That was too hard to keep up. The leverage on him. Yeah, just added control. The leg that's not under the knee is with the extended leg. So you got the one leg that's controlling, and then that instep is locked under, say, if you got it on the right side.

The other one you use as a butterfly, and you control the leg. And if you elevate his leg, it makes it way more difficult for him to do anything about it. One more step he has to address. Yeah, it's also like it's very hard to defense. It takes away his mobility, right, Joe? Yeah. Yeah, because you want to get – if you've got a body triangle in, you want to have it on – you want to have your opponent on his side and you want the cinched part to be on top. You want to have your opponent on his side, and you want the cinched part to be on top.

So he wants it on the other side, so that butterfly hook keeps your angle. Like, we're going to keep you right here on the good side for me. Keeps you where you want to be in conjunction. He wants to change the angle. Right there, you see that? But he can't go over the other side. He's doing the wrong side here, but he doesn't care. He's dealing with it, because it puts a lot of pressure on your ankle. It's not a good position to be in.

I wonder if you could, Eddie, can you loosen up your ankle so that that doesn't bother you? Some people it doesn't matter. After you do it for a while, you stretch your, it doesn't matter. You want the cinch to be on top, but if it's on bottom sometimes you could switch it, but you're like I'm just going to leave it there. It doesn't really matter.

Did you say he trains out of Belcher's camp? Yeah, I think he's Belcher's guy. This is a thing that ballerinas do where they shove their foot into this big rubber strap and your foot normally wants to sit like this. This big rubber strap will bend it down so that your foot

is parallel with your shin bone. It's amazing what the human body reacts and responds to and adapts to. It's amazing. But if you could get that going on, then the fucking body triangle, it wouldn't bother you at all if somebody used that defense. Why are we watching a Geico commercial? Fuck all that.

So, powerful Jason Knight. Well, now the people at home aren't synced. Yeah, we're going to tell them how to sync it up on the next one. So we're fast forwarding. Jason Knight. Let's see what he has to say. Because they can fast forward. Yeah, he's not afraid to say some shit.

Jamie, we have... He's going to call somebody out. Oh, we can't hear anyway. Yeah. It's always frustrating when guys don't call someone out. Whoever they want to give me. Powerful Brian Stanton. Don't surrender it.

Oh, Brian stayed with it He's Tim Tebow His dad just passed Oh he did? Okay Heavy accent Mississippi Oh his dad just died?

He's dead while he's trying though Last year Five days ago last year We're in a Christian country Take your mouthpiece out son He's died? Last year, though. Last year. Five days ago last year. We're in a Christian country. Take your mouthpiece out, son. Don't say must-see TV. That's the NBC, sir.

Oh, shit. Who's that? Do Ho Choi. Did you see that fight with him and Cub Swanson? We watched it together. Cub Swanson. It was chaos. I do not think he should be asking for that. I don't remember fights. You and I watched it. I'm not you. It Swanson. I do not think you should be asking for that. I don't remember fights.

I'm not you. It was chaos. It was one of the craziest fights ever. Your boy Kelvin fucked up Kennedy. Remember that night? Your boy Kelvin fucked up Kennedy. That was us together. Duho Choi and Cub Swanson had one of the craziest fights of all time. Of all time.

It was beautiful. It was fucking full on slobber knocker. Nuts. and who won Cub Cub won yeah yeah it was like a full on slobber knocker

man handsome kid best athlete in the building fantastic jeez jeez best teeth in the building Hannibal Buress

you talking about my friend Hannibal I hope he dies him too Hannibal Buress who dies he's fucking funny Hannibal or Christian McCaffrey

as we get older part of us dies. The young men. They take all our women. The handsome guy. The best white athlete in college football. Is that real? Running back, son.

That's real. Isn't his dad Ed McCaffrey? That's the best running back in college football? Fullback. No, tailback. No. This is the... What?

I've got to do a breakdown on that next week. On Holman. It, tailback. No. Tailback. What? This is the second Heisman lap two years ago. I'm trying to do a breakdown on that next week on Holman. It's not 1943. I know. Isn't it cool? That's not the best running back. Come on. Trump's president and we got a white fucking running back killing it. Impossible.

I don't believe you. It's possible with all the new vitamins. Impossible. No. How dare you? With all the stuff that they've been feeding kids since they were babies. His dad was an NFL All-Pro, so that's where he gets it. This Holly Holm-Jermaine Durandamy fight is not an easy fight for Holly Holm.

No. People don't realize this is a tough fight for her. That Jermaine Durandamy is undefeated in Muay Thai. She's got some preposterous fucking record. I think it's like 46-0 or something like that. Nunes already beat her, yeah? In MMA. Yeah.

But Holly's a kickboxer. The thing about it is Holly's going to strike with her. Yeah, it's going to be great. That's a dangerous fight for Holly. I bet you Holly takes it down. Yeah, she might. She has some good inside trips. She's big, athletic.

She fights so well going backwards. Holly loses this one. You got three in a row. God damn, how are we going to sell this? Yeah, she knows that. Isn't it crazy? This sport changes so quick. Did you work with her, Brandon?

Crazy. Yeah. No one stays at the top for very long. She was in there. I never worked with her. She was in there. Great, great person. Freak.

Big fan. Freak. It's crazy how this fucking sport just chews people up. You think you're on top, and then it's gone. Then it's over. But the casual fan doesn't care. That's why that pay-per-view is so, because the casual fan goes, oh, that's the girl who murked Ronda Rousey.

That's the argument for McGregor versus Floyd Floyd. It's fucking happening, son. It's happening. Did you see it? Did you see it? Did you see it? It's not booked. It's going to happen.

Did you see it, dude? So McGregor held a press conference last night, sold out arena, 5,000 tickets sold out. He got on the mic. He goes, fuck the UFC. Fuck everything. He said, fuck boxing and fuck you. Yeah. And he goes, the and he goes The next fight

The next fight Is me versus Floyd He goes Floyd Get it fucking done And then he goes I'm gonna do it with or without the UFC And they told Dana that And he goes

Good luck with that Yeah good luck with that Good luck getting that done without me Well he said that He believes with the Ali Act He can actually do it Because it's a different sport He has the money to hire the lawyers to try it

Well it is an interesting argument Because it's not MMA It's boxing So if it's a different sport. He has the money to hire the lawyers to try it. Well, it is an interesting argument because it's not MMA. It's boxing. So if it's boxing, he doesn't have a contract in boxing. The UFC should just promote it anyways and work together with Floyd. But the thing is, it's not just with Floyd. It's with McGregor promotions now. He's got his own thing. He wants to co-promote.

Because they don't want to have a third middleman in Dana White. Because you have Conor McGregor promotions, Floyd Mayweather, and then the UFC. They don't want to give the UFC a percentage. It's going to become what boxing is. It's going to become that. Because it's star-driven, like all things. Like music. I hate that.

Like comedy. Like everything. It's going to stay star-driven. And when it's star-driven like that, guys like Conor, who are legitimate stars, they have the leverage. And they're going to manipulate that leverage. They're going to utilize that leverage. And we're going to see what happens.

Especially right now. Biggest star we've ever had. Biggest. Biggest. Big battle. I hate the reality that it is star-driven, but it is a reality. But why is that? Why do you hate that?

Because it's always been like that in boxing, right? I mean, that's how they make the $100 million paydays. He's a purist. And real quick. So am I. Yeah, me too. But I would love to see Conor versus Floyd. Rob and I were talking about fights.

This dude said he's never seen a fight he doesn't like. He loves every fight. Every single fight. Oh, I've hated a lot of fights. Did you see Kimbo and Dada? Okay, you got right to it quick, right to the point that maybe I did see one fight that I hated. I've seen some shitty fights. We were talking about that Halleck fight, and he was like, I like that one.

Get the fuck out of here, sir. Get out of my studio. You guys are hypnotizing each other out there. Halleck Gracie's last fight on Bellator. That was a good fight. We were talking about it. I liked it, too. That was a good fight.

This is what I liked about that. All bullshit aside, Halleck Gracie fought a fucking killer. I mean, that guy knocked out Joe Schilling twice. He knocked him out in kickboxing and he knocked him out in MMA. He's a fucking beast. He's a very dangerous striker. He's a very big guy and he's fucking scary. He's a blaster.

And Halleck got through. And did nothing. No, no, no. No. He avoided getting knocked out. No, no. I'm not talking about Halleck. I'm talking about your boy who's a beast.

Did nothing. Because he was scared. He was worried about getting knocked out. He was scared to get strangled. What we were scared of is what happened in the last minute of the last round when Halleck finally did take him down, passed his guard like butter, fucking mounted him

and had him in a bad spot. Halleck was going to fuck him up. If that fight kept going, if that was in the first minute of the first round, Halleck might very well have had to fight. He couldn't do it. He couldn't get the guy down. If you guys think that was an entertaining fight, you're batshit. Fuck off.

Fuck off. Get the fuck out of here. That's great. And you hated Kimbo versus Dada? That was more entertaining than that. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it, but it was not a high-level fight. I hated the fact that people were watching it on TV,

and both guys were severely unconditioned. They were severely out of shape. Dada died. No, he didn't. His heartbeat stopped. They had to revive him. I don't know if that's true. Some of that is him adding to his own legend. But, no, when I think about it honestly, I hated what the fight was about,

but I love the fight. The dynamic of what's happening between these two human beings in combat. You mean Dada and Kimbo? Yeah, even that one. The dynamic between them is different than every other fight. In their case, it's because... Kill his mic, Jimmy. If it was my studio, I would have killed it during the Halleck talk.

I hate what the fight was about. Are you intrigued by the Conor McGregor-Floyd Mayweather as if Conor McGregor could actually box with Floyd Mayweather? Conor McGregor cannot box with Floyd Mayweather. But Conor McGregor's only goal that he could have, the workable idea, is a backdoor hack. Something where being unwilling to make it a boxing match, he is fighting him with two hands. But boxing is not the definition of fighting with two hands. Find a hack.

Find a backdoor. What would Tim Ferriss do? If you said, hey, Tim Ferriss, how do you beat Floyd Mayweather with a guy who's never- You'd push him off the stand. That's not a good example. You'd watch someone else's idea and regurgitate it. Yeah. It's not that easy.

No, it's not. But McGregor has found disruptions. Uber is a disruption, or Airbnb is a disruption on the hotel business. Right, but a good example, when you're using the Tim Ferriss example, a good reason why it sucks is because Tim did that whole show for CNN where he did a bunch of different things and learned them quickly. And one of them he tried to do was jiu-jitsu. Good luck with all that. Good luck learning jiu-jitsu. It don't work like that.

You know, a guy who's been doing jiu-jitsu for 10 years can get drunk, stay up all night, show up drunk, and still play with you like you're a baby. His name's John Jones. Well, yeah, John Jones. I mean, John Jones, I don't even think he's really ranked in Jiu Jitsu, although he could tap black belts. He's such a freak. But if John Jones wanted to, he could do whatever he wanted to.

I mean, if they're the same size, it doesn't matter. Four months is not going to get you there. The thought that I have is you can't beat him in boxing. But what if there's some other answer? And the answer to that is well, in the hundred years, we've seen every answer. If you believe that,

if McGregor believes that, he's fucked. What McGregor said that was really interesting yesterday in the press conference, he said, look, if it was a fight, it would be the easiest fight ever. He goes, fuck UFC, fuck boxing. If it's an actual fight, I'll fucking kill him. It's a joke. He's right.

He's like, so, we're going to limit it to hands, and you're playing a little game. Okay, let's do it. Yeah. And that's interesting there, because that plays to the ego, and he's the only guy that could ever say that to Floyd. It's a no-lose situation. That Floyd's ever faced. Yeah.

Floyd's never faced a guy that says, listen, this is not even a fight. This is a boxing match. You want to fight? I will fuck you up any day of the week. Wake me up. Wake me up and say you want to do it and I'll fucking kill you. To win-win. Yeah.

And that's true. Yeah. He's also quite a bit bigger. Yeah. He's quite a bit bigger. And you have to be different. If you go in and try to box him, you have to strike with him in some way that is different. What that answer is, I don't know yet. Movement angles.

Box with MMA gloves. Well, people have to remember that Maidana, who is super unconventional, really wild and reckless. Maidana went 12 rounds twice with him. So Floyd's not knocking guys dead. He's not like, he's not Gennady Golovkin in people or Kovalev

in people. It's a totally different kind of experience. What Floyd does is minimize any offense and maximize his potential to put offense on you. And he's a genius at it. And if his output's super low, it's because that's what he can get away with. And if his output is super high, it's because he's got you. He's a genius. Floyd Mayweather is a boxing genius. Yeah, that's why you can't beat him unless

there's some answer that doesn't yet exist. Conor's not going to go in there and just do the tristram box and sit in front of him. People think that. It's crazy. Here's the other fucking X factor. It's a real factor and it happens in every goddamn sport. Guys get old overnight. Floyd Mayweather is 30 what?

39 years old now? Yeah, 39. Probably 40 by the time this fight happens. I mean, some guys it takes longer. Some guys it's shorter. Bernard Hopkins managed to get deep into his 40s and still be world class. And he hasn't taken much punishment. Floyd doesn't get hit.

No. He's only really been tagged by Mosley and Maidana. Those are the guys who really tagged him. And then earlier in his career he got hit a few times. But Mosley sat him. He sat him down. Mosley wobbled him. Yeah, he wobbled him. One shot. And career he got hit a few times yeah but Mosley sat him he you know he sat him down mostly wobbled him yeah he was one shot came back and dominated yep yeah he's a genius genius and if it go as it goes on if McGregor becomes predictable and so say this happens and he becomes

predictable in any way even a ways that he doesn't understand that Floyd will read yeah it just gets worse as the fight goes on. Somebody comes to you and says, this is happening, you're going to make $200 million or whatever crazy amount of money you're going to make. How do we do it? And the answer is, you have to be very, very different. You have to move away

from Floyd, for sure. You have to move away from him and draw him in. And you have to be different almost every round. You've got to have a strategy that makes you unpredictable. And then even then, you have to hit somebody who's never hit. You know what I'm thinking? Muay Thai dumps. I'm saying he ties him up and

fucking leg trips him, slams him. He does that a few times. Give him something to think about. Finks touching the ground. It's true. Mixed rules. Something different. If he could, you know, just one or two times, if they get in the clinch and there's some shit talking something Just decides to dump them and you see Floyd's feet go flying a mere some boys a small man

If you have a choice, what would you rather see them in a straight boxing match with boxing gloves or a boxing match with MMA gloves? Floyd MMA gloves. Floyd would never do that. What do you think Floyd would want to do? Boxing. Boxing gloves. Does he want the MMA gloves or the big gloves? The big gloves. He would want the big gloves. For defense, which is very important because it's really hard to get because

it's a whole different game when you're getting around those little gloves. You don't think Floyd would go damn with them little gloves. He'll break his hands. His hands break a lot. Joe, that's a great point. That's not his forte. Your entire lifetime, you've developed your style around the size of the mitt. Yeah. Yeah, you can't change that.

Different games, son. Everything changes. Conor's given up so goddamn much. Throw a ball in the back of Conor. Floyd's not in the business of giving you anything back. How is that so weird, though, them doing it in MMA clubs? He's the best boxer of all time. Everything about his experience and his sensitivity is around his whole lifetime being built with this exact thing.

Sometimes he catches things in small little details. And another factor is the speed of the incoming shots is going to be much faster. When you're dealing with four-ounce gloves, there's guys in world-class boxing that are fast as fuck, right? But they'd be faster if they had four-ounce gloves on. It's just a fact. It's just a fact of physics. And that speed almost might be indistinguishable to us, but to a fighter, it might be the difference

between getting hit by something and not getting hit by something. And you would have to re-gauge your distance meter. Yeah, different pitchers throwing different speed balls is different to every hitter. This motherfucker, Ngannou, man, I've been calling his fights for a while. When that guy walks into the cage, it sounds different.

He's huge. Did you see his hand next to Stan's? Yeah, 256. Dude, he makes me look like a little tiny person he can keep in his pocket. He's huge, man. And Arlowski's not small. No, no, no, he's a big dude. And he's just solid as a rock, man. He's French, yeah? Yes.

He's French from Nigeria. By the way, I have a Congo. Oh, Nigeria. Yeah. And he's just a super athlete, man. They think he's the next striker. The next big thing. Well, you know, we've yet to see him against a really good wrestler. I don't say anybody's next big thing until they go with Kane.

You gotta go with Kane. A healthy Kane. That pressure. Well, there's a couple guys. You see what he did to Travis. You see what he did to Rothwell. He just does shit to people. He gets his face in your chest and just. Yeah. He gets past all your bullshit and then puts it to you with a pace that you just can't take. The real question with Cain is can he still do that?

He's had so many injuries. They pulled him off of his last fight because he's got stenosis. So his fucking spinal column is shrinking And they have to open him up And carve a path In the nerves It's Stipe versus JDS now That is what the next fight is Stipe's legit

You just gave away this fight That's real I know who wins now Why? No you don't What because of Stipe? JDS? You said

You said You'd like to see him fight Against a better guy So that means No because Arlowski's not a wrestler. I'm not listening. I'm not listening. Quiet, quiet, quiet.

No hands, please. One thing about me is I take my MMA very seriously, guys. Do you? I would have said the same thing before. Do you like MMA? I do, dude. It's my secret garden. Well, I'm a combat enthusiast.

Do you have a lot of secret gardens? Well, I'm a sportsman, as you guys know. And I like to get up close and personal and impose my will on another man. Ngannou's feet look different, too. They're, like, thicker. Like, his heels. How tall is he? Is he 6'5"?

Giant. Giant. How tall? Randy fought Brock Lesnar. He said that the distance was hard to gauge because his proportion was so weird. So you can't actually—he's got an enormous reach. And when your body shape is different like that, it tricks the eye. He said that the distance was hard to gauge because his proportion was so weird. He's got an enormous reach. When your body shape is different like that, it tricks the eye.

When you look down the strip in Vegas, you can't tell how close and far away those hotels are. Ngannou looks way bigger than Mr. Orlovsky, who's a good 240. The thing about Ngannou is he's a natural size, too. That's a big gentleman. That's just who he is. He's a giant dude. Shob, you fuck guys this big? I thought you just said, Shob, have you fucked guys this big? He did.

The answer is yes. When necessary. To prove a point. Only when it rains. Man, Arlovsky's only 37. Isn't that crazy? He's got a lot of miles. In MMA years, you're a tortoise though Yeah But that's crazy

Because in boxing Tortoise Oh yeah He's got a lot Right there man He's running at him And throwing punches too But he comes in behind

That double right hand All the time You can see it coming now Yeah he looks scary His footwork Yeah he is very Already much improved He wants to

See he's trying to Draw him forward. Imagine him with Yair-style kicking. Oh! You know that's coming. Spooky. Yikes. There was that overhand Arlovsky with the overhand right. He had just twice done the double right hand. The uppercut got him, too.

The uppercut's what did him in, I think. You read Arlovsky's overhand right. As soon as that overhand right is there, this is done. He wants to be the guy to tell him to stop with the lightning bolts in the hair. Should we do it now? Should we do it online? I don't know how it is in France, though.

Maybe it's some weird shit. Maybe he's just dominating bitches in France with that. So watch when we see the replay. Arlovsky's overhand right was the tell. He called it, too. He said he was going to knock him out in the first round. Is that that bold of a prediction? I'm a lot more impressed even than last time.

Well, it is for Travis Brown. I mean, you've got to think. Orlowski just knocked out Travis Brown a couple of fights ago. He's lost his last three, though. Now. Yeah. Watch the right hand off of Orlowski. The overhand right.

Here. Cut. There. Now you got him. Because you know what it is. Boom. Boom. Right behind the ear there.

And look where his head position. And Gano's head position is. He knew exactly what was coming. Dude, he you got him. Because you know what it is. Boom! Boom. Right behind the ear there. And look where his head position, Ngannou's head position is. He knew exactly what was coming. Dude, he lifted him off the ground with that uppercut. That's Lancho Power. Watch his head position. He knew what, oh, that is fucking beautiful. So he planned, he knew he was coming with the overhand right,

so he slipped it. That's some Conor McGregor shit right there. Yeah, actually, Nate Diaz does that. The Diaz brothers do that slip. They use their right hand, the front hand, but what's the front hand? It's this. The Diaz brothers throw that hook from southpaw like that. It's almost like a check.

Yeah. You draw, slide out. It's head position is key, and then you come back over top. That was by design. It's so important that a referee know how hard a guy hits. Because no one's complaining about that stoppage. But in other fights, that would have been a stoppage where people would have been like, what the fuck? He only took a couple shots and he's down.

Give him a chance to recover. Yeah, not with that monster. With Ngannou, you're like, no, no, no, that's good. He probably heard it. He could probably hear the impact. I would like to see him fight like a Rothwell. Where that shot doesn't put him down He just keeps coming for a little bit Maybe it puts everyone down

Maybe it does, we don't know Because he's beat up basically cans Then you give him Arlovsky He looked good though here now Do you remember when Ben Rothwell Fought Arlovsky and Arlovsky fucked him up Yeah That was Arlovsky when he was in his

Well not even in his prime. He was a little slipped. Affliction. Yeah, it's the fiction. Yes. It was a little past his prime. Yeah. You know, Arlovsky's prime was when he was in his 20s.

Brother, he went on a run in the UFC, though. He was one fight away from a heavyweight title. That's right. Last, what? Yeah. Two years ago. Two years ago. But do you remember when he was young?

Remember when he starts Paul Buntello with one punch? He's my favorite. He had a right hand that was like a piston, dude. And it's almost like now you can see the wear and tear on his shoulders when he's throwing punches. Stiff. Like he throws punches differently now. Back then, everything was just

laser beam straight. Remember when he went to wild card and was just working with Freddie Roach and was like real tall and was just getting knocked the fuck out left and right? He was doing well with... And then went to Jackson's. But he was doing well after he trained with Freddie Roach. He was doing really and was just getting knocked the fuck out left and right and went to Jackson's but he was doing well after he trained with Freddie Roach

he was doing really well against Fedor and then he just he panicked he was lighting him up he was doing well and he did that flying knee and Fedor was like

what the fuck are you doing Kadoosh best timing in the game with his right hand like it was just deceptive timing how about Fedor Mitrione coming up

in like two weeks right on Spike yeah that's weird that's an interesting fight I just feel bummed out that we never got to see with his right hand. Like, it was just deceptive timing. How about Fedor Mitrione coming up in like two weeks, right? On Spike. Yeah, that's weird. That's an interesting fight. I just feel bummed out that we never got to see Fedor in the UFC. I still feel... Me too.

I still feel bummed out about it. I know, there's a empty hole in my heart for that one. And he's not at his best. I'd be cool to see him, you know, at his best. Did you see that Mel Dodano fight that he had? Yes. Maldonado fucked him up. Maldonado should have got that decision.

I watched that like this. It'll make you sick to your up. Maldonado should have I watched that like this. It'll make you sick to your stomach. Maldonado should have got that decision. He should have. Oh, you know, the commission turned it.

They did? Yeah, they did. In Russia? To a no contest. Look that up, Jamie. I might be batshit crazy. I'm pretty sure they switched it.

In Russia? Yes. I think only one side. He got a no contest. Even Russia was like, all right, yeah, we fucked up. Wow, that's when you know you got jobbed.

Russia? When we turn it over to Russia. They're like, enough. Wow. This guy. But you know that? When you're going to just go old school like Arlovsky did there, like these young guys are going to intercept you every time.

Hey, you guys can't talk over each other. Put your headphones on, Brian Callen. You're on the microphone. This is a podcast. We've talked about this before, you son of a bitch. Does he call anyone out here? Does France call anyone out here? I don't know, man.

I haven't heard it. Oh, you speak zero English, huh? Do you hate American dollars? Crank that. Look, yeah. Fedor's victory overturned. Let me hear this. He's trying.

Oh, that's not bad at all. Good for him, man. He said he wants big fights. Yeah, well, he said, I'm very happy they gave me a former champ. Yeah, yeah. I'm a believer in him now. That was pure skill. Look at this.

Head position coming off. And bam. Boy, he's large. So he pulled back there? Yeah. Yeah. Draw back where your head is in space is the key. And you take it off the shoulder.

Dude, he's terrifying. He is a scary man. He's the most terrifying heavyweight in a long time. He read that shit coming from 20 miles away. And the right hand combo is part of it. So it's a designed play. I guess his wrestling is pretty beastly. They say, you know, granted it's the French wrestling team, but he trains with the Olympic wrestling team.

They can't get his ass down. Well, also the judo team. They're bringing in all sorts of really high level. Yeah, look at the size of his hands. They're saying they're bringing in a bunch of different Olympic-level athletes to work with this guy. I mean, he's a real prospect. I'm a believer now.

That was the skill win. Best prospect we got. Best prospect in a long time. I still have skeptical hippo eyes. I'm not a believer after an octagonal last beat. No, it was just that was a skill win. That was a designed play off an overhand right planned. Rashad Evans right there.

Look at him hiding behind there. Hey, Rashad. Just have a shot. I an overhand right planned. Rashad Evans right there. Look at him. Hi, behind there. Hey, Rashad. I like it. Alright, Twitter puzzle. I think people are crazy. At one point, Peña was the favorite. It's like, do the odds makers not? I know. Who the fuck

made those odds? Then the public was like, what the fuck? We're going to get money on this. And I got nothing against Peña, but you're looking at somebody with 400 fights. Yeah. Shevchenko. Pena got crazy hard. 400 fights she's got?

Hundreds of fights. She's going to take her down. Kickboxing and boxing. She'll take her down. Hundreds of fights. She's so hard, dude. To take down? Shevchenko's so hard.

To take down? No, no, no. Everything. Like a hard person. She's a hard woman. take down? No, no, no. Hard. Like a hard person. She's a hard woman. She's this Russian chick who loves guns. I mean, her nickname is Bullet. Bullet.

She has a gun tattoo on her hip. I'm so tired, man. Penny's got crazy heart. She's tough. This doesn't beat 400 fights, typically. We're going skill versus hard in this fight. Oh, you guys already told me one. No, we didn't.

I haven't seen this fight. I have not seen this fight. No, we did not. I haven't seen this fight. I have not seen this fight. No, we did not. We did not. It's a crazy fight. But you are going to kill her. You're going to love this fight. This fight is going to be an interesting fight, too.

Dennis Bermudez coming up is going to fight Korean Zombie. Dude, is it today? No. No, no, no. Next weekend. Dude, I think fucking Ian McCall's opponent pulled out. Ian Searing. What the fuck is going on?

The fifth fight or sixth fight that got canceled for Ian. Something's going on. But the good news is it's two weeks for the fight. He might get a replacement. Yeah, they should be able to find someone. Maybe. It's hard, man. Flyweight is not easy.

It's not easy to find a good flyweight. Well, good's a different answer. Maybe there's some young dude who's just biting, you know, waiting out there. I'm sure there is. There is. As long as he can make the weight, man. You know,

because New York, they don't fuck around with that. Oh, yeah, it's in New York. Yeah. If you fuck up with the weight in New York, like if you're over by, I think it's eight pounds, they won't let you fight.

That's fair, too. That happened on one of the cards. That is fair. That hurt the other guy. Yeah. It happened on one of the cards. It was Calvin. That's right. That's right. That is right. That's why they pulled him, yeah? Yeah. Tim Kennedy. Yeah. That's fair. It hurt the other guy. Yeah. It happened on one of the cards. It was Calvin. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's why they pulled him, yeah? Yeah. Tim Kennedy. Yeah, that's right. And goddamn, he erased everybody's anger about that. Yeah, he looked great. Everybody was so mad about that. Calvin is a destroyer.

Unreal. And he's one of the guys that I had a Taekwondo talk with, and he goes, dude, he pulls out a video of his training. He goes, I'm already doing this. He had like a session where he's spinning and just getting all the spins down and he's on it. Get him on that nutritionist, son. I think I won 85.

Is he staying at 85? His next fight is Vitor. He's fighting Vitor. That's a good fight. Woodley? It was a split decision, right? And he was exhausted. That's my guy. See, I think at 70 he's the champ. It's okay. But he was drained for That's my guy with a right-hand mass fat on him. See, I think at 70 he's the champ. Okay, we can't talk over each other. Sorry. It's okay.

But he was drained for that fight. You know, he cut a ton of weight for that fight. I don't like him at 70. I like him at 85. You like his chance to become world champ at 85? I think he could do it. I think he just has to gain some muscle. He's only 5'9".

Look, he has to put on some mass. Or figure out a way to comfortably make 170 in a much healthier way. That's the answer. Where he's not draining himself. And he can be champ, though. He can be champ at 170. The road to 170 is easier for him. Yeah, look, everybody gets tired, but he doesn't get tired.

That dude is still pumping it out in the third round. And when he was overwhelming Kennedy in the third, was it the second or third round when he smashed him? Second, right? Did he stop him in the second or the third? But it was just his pace was out of control. His footwork, his body. What I thought, the big factor, I thought there was two big. And that's what I thought the big factor.

I thought there was two big factors in that fight. I thought, one, Tim is a big 185, and he's super strong. His jiu-jitsu is real good. If he gets Kelvin down, he might be able to blank him and beat him up. But when he started getting tired, I was like, he's going to have a real hard time with Kelvin's footwork. Because Kelvin's footwork is nasty. He's real light.

He balances around. And he does a lot of feints, he's not predictable, and he comes in behind that long right jab and he fucks you up, man. He's a southpaw, sneaky southpaw. He comes up with his right jab sometimes, sometimes he comes in, he hooks you, he digs the body, his grappling's good, his chin is made out of fucking granite. Yeah, he's a killer. He's gonna be tough to beat. He's tough to beat.

And he's super nice. Yeah, he's a killer. He's going to be tough to beat. He's tough to beat. And he's super nice. Yeah, he's a cool dude. He's like a little sweetheart of a guy. He's a great guy. Yeah. After he beat Kennedy, I watched Swanson versus Joy with him. And he was just having the time of his life. He was untouched.

He was untouched. He fucked Tim Kennedy up. That was a rough night for Tim. Yeah, it was. Well, Tim made a big mistake. He went from one camp straight into the other camp. And apparently, he was very flat, and they were saying that he was definitely overtrained.

I think he's overtrained. I think he's one foot in, one foot out, too. That, too. That, too. These new gen guys, they just understand the space between you better. They manipulate the space between you. And we just saw it with Ngannou.

He just has a better understanding of the space between you and his opponent. Well, we got past the stand and bang phase. That shit's done. That stand and bang phase is done. Yes, at a world-class level, stand and bang is done. At a world-class level, yes. And everybody wants to be world-class.

When you see guys like Conor McGregor raising that fucking bar, and then you see the new ones coming up, like the Jair Rodriguez, like the fucking Cody Garbrandt, who can be next level, and what are they doing? They're moving like a motherfucker. Distance control movement. There's no stand and bang. It's calculated exchanges, calculated risk, world-class technique.

Everybody's accelerated. Everything is way higher, way higher level. And then they're at this new level, and they're accelerating in their ability to improve from that level. So it's like exponential, and it's weird. And then young guys coming up. I commentated some fights between, I was telling Brendan,

an 18-year-old named Tony Laramie and a 20-year-old named Keith Lee. Kevin Lee's little brother from Vegas. They were both 0-0. And it was some high-level shit. High level. The way that they played at distance, the way that they manipulated the timing.

It was fucking crazy for TKO for Fight Pass in Canada. Yeah, no, nothing is accelerating faster than high-level MMA right now. If you go back 20 years ago and look at where it is today, there's not a sport in the world where you see that much of a jump between 20 years ago and today. It's not a sport in the world. It's like technology. It's moving like technology. It's evolving like a technology.

Like cell phone. Yeah. Exactly. The question is, when are we going to see a guy who kicks like Yair and also has Joe Schilling style Muay Thai and also can box like Cody Garber? He's 13 right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There are 18-year-olds right now that are blowing your mind. And that's why when you see a guy like Yair and you see this next level expression, you realize like, wow, the horizon is going to be bananas. We're going to see guys like Gair fighting another guy like Gair. And we're just going to see chaos. And their level of performance, just their ability psychologically to fight. And that's growing exponentially. O'Connor's raising that individually by himself.

He is raising everyone's expectations for how someone performs under pressure. he is raising everyone's expectations for how someone performs under pressure he steps in there against Jose Aldo and fucking sleeps him in 13 seconds in a fight that he's been talking shit about for a year for a straight solid year world tour

telling everybody he's gonna fuck him up and he goes and starches him with one punch in exactly the way that you knew if he was gonna do it drawing and that was a punch you had seen him use and that strike he'd been using in England and Ireland before he ever fought in the States.

He was landing that in space, drawing you forward. It's one of my favorite tweets ever that I tweeted him in 2013. I said, I'm a big fan. I hope you get into the UFC one day. Boom. What fight was it that got you into him? Oh, man. I watched a bunch of his fights from England, but it was one fight where he slid back and

KO'd this dude with his perfectly placed left hand. Yeah. And I was like, this kid's got some fucking timing. And like Firas Zahabi describes, the touch of death. Yep. Yep. No, when you got that kind of... But it's power.

You can see his body is built to deliver that power, but it's technique. It's clean. Big shoulders, man. It's also thought. You know, he's very... The way he's approaching the game is very thoughtful. He's thinking it through,

like getting down with Ido Portal and just concentrating on the ability to move your body better. Yep. Just all, you know, across the board, having that kind of dexterity. To think better. To perform better. You change your views on the movement stuff?

Movement coaches? Absolutely not. You haven't? You're sticking with that? Yeah, I think it's all bullshit. It's definitely not bullshit. Movement? Movement is bullshit.

How is movement bullshit? Explain that. I don't think it's bullshit. I think it can help you, but you better have the foundation, the skills of Carmen Greger before you bring in a movement coach like that. Nobody says you cut other shit out. Just talking about doing movement stuff, I think it's very important.

Like gymnastic natural, the way those Brazilians. Gymnastic natural. That's real shit. I see it in breakdancing. Breakdancing is movement, the ultimate movement drills. And I see it personally in jujitsu.

All those guys from the freak show, they all did juiu Jitsu and all got really good really quick. So it does help. The Freak Show for the uninitiated is Richie and Gio Martinez down in San Diego. They're bad motherfuckers who are badass break dancers who have turned into Jiu Jitsu black belts

who are out there murking people. Eddie told me about it when these guys were white belts. He told me about it. He's like, dude, I got these new guys. They're white belts and they're phenomenal. Everybody knew it right away that they have this very unusual ability. And you know what, man? You got to give it up to the man Hicks and Gracie because he figured it out before anybody.

You go back to those 1994 Hicks and Gracie videos where Hicks was in Santa Monica standing on a balance bar, stretching his leg overhead in a full split He was doing the rings. He was walking on his hands. He was doing all his breathing exercises He was down with yoga and movement and splits dexterity and flexibility before anybody by the way is my new favorite all-time commercial It's fucking commercial back this up a little bit, give me some knowledge. Give me some volume. This guy came in second. American Idol year one. Lost to Kelly Clarkson. There's a

tiny horse guy. Look at these ranchers. He's got red hair. Like purplish red hair. Cowboys, you deserve the sweet reward of a Diet Dr. Pepper. That's mighty sweet. What is he saying? Those cowboys would chill him. Commercials have gotten crazier and crazier

because they have to cut through the mess. Sorry, little buckaroos. This is a great fucking commercial, man. It's pretty cool. It's a tiny little dude who's flamboyantly gay on a tiny little white horse. He's more like Prince. I don't know if he's gay.

He's got a few of these. I got one of Prince Vaughn. That's probably the third one. That guy was gay for sure. That was the funny thing. Yeah, I got a gay as fuck Vaughn. His hair was awesome. No, no, no.

That's not true. He's a Prince. He might be a Prince guy. Yeah, he might be. He might be right. Yeah, fuck small girl, like tiny. You never know. But it's a great, great goddamn commercial.

Anyway, we'll fast forward through this shit and get to the cowboy fight. This fight is a fight that I felt coming into this fight. Don't give it away. I'm not going to give anything away. But I'm saying coming into this fight, I think that a lot of people don't know how good Jorge Masvidal is. So this is not a fight that that many people are excited about. You just gave it away. But, no, no, no.

God damn it, bro. Hey, Bravo, you can't do that, man. I'm not giving shit away. Yeah. Masvidal is unreal. Super dangerous. So, Cowboy, a lot of people would think this fight wouldn't be as close as it's likely to be. Oh, you're just giving it away?

Are you still confused? Stop with that. I'm trying to confuse you. Stop with that. I'm fainting. Stop with all that. But I think that Cowboy at 170 is so much better than Cowboy at 55. And he's one more example of just like we were talking about with Calvin. I think that Cowboy at 170 is so much better than Cowboy at 55.

And he's one more example of just like we were talking about with Kelvin. Guys who don't cut weight, and because of that, they look healthier, they look faster, they look stronger. They're more durable, too. They can recover from stuff. But the tradeoff, of course, is at 170, if you fight like Tyron Woodley, you're fighting someone who hits way fucking harder. Robbie Lawler. Yeah. Way fucking harder than anybody at 55. This guy's so elegantly skilled, man.

He's relaxed. He's relaxed. Instead of breakdown on him, and I put in some of his old backyard fights. Yeah, but he used to have those backyard fights back in the old Kimbo days. Kimbo was in his corner for a lot of them. Masvidal's a bad motherfucker. He's been doing it for a while. He's got some knee issues, though. He's had some knee issues for a long time, man.

He's been hesitant in a lot of his fights. He's always kind of scared to pull the trigger. His knees are always fucked up, man. His knees are always fucked up. He's trying to intimidate Cowboy, because everybody thinks that if you intimidate Cowboy, you've got to bully him. Yeah, you have to.

That didn't work in the Matt Brown fight. No, at all. See, everyone thinks that Matt Brown fight was like a cakewalk. That was a bit of a beast. No, no, no. It was a bit of a fight. No, it was definitely not a cake that Matt Brown fight was like a cakewalk. That was a bit of a beast. No, no, no. It was a bit of a fight. No, it was definitely not a cakewalk. Matt Brown ain't a cakewalk to anybody.

No, I'm saying people think Cowboy, I didn't think Cowboy looked that great in that fight. I thought it was a tough fight. It was a close fight until the knockout. Well, it was a real good fight. It was a fight for sure. I didn't think he looked bad at all, but he's fighting Matt fucking Brown. Matt Brown is a goddamn barbarian. He's a barbarian.

He lost, what, five? He lost six? He's a barbarian. He lost, what, five or six? He's a barbarian. Why would Cowboy fight the number 12 guy? Because he doesn't give a fuck. He wanted to fight in Denver. He just knocked out Matt Brown six weeks ago, and he's like, I want to fight in Denver. Denver's his hometown. He did take some

punishment in that fight. He did. He definitely took some punishment in that Matt Brown fight. But this is what he loves to do, man. He loves to just get back after it. And he loves that story. He also, the more he fights, the more comfortable he is fighting. You know, the more it becomes natural. He went to a concert last night, the night before this.

And he goes to Mexico, too, doesn't he? He always goes to Mexico in the middle of his camp or some shit. Near the end. Near the end. Yeah, let's not do that. I don't know. He says it relaxes him. I guess he did it in one camp and he had a great performance.

So he said it relaxes him. And if your last week is just sweating a lot anyways, you can do it anyway. And he doesn't have to make weight. Oh, shit. Yeah, I know. Dude, it works for him. He fights at 175. I mean, he walks around at 175, 176.

He's not cutting anything. No, he looks great at 70. He can be a real champ at 70. Yeah, I agree. Are's not cutting anything. No, he looks great at 70. He can be a real champ at 70. Yeah, I agree. Are people synced up to this? Oh, yeah. 447, 446, 445, 444, first round.

Thank you. Look at this fight. You're welcome. Yeah, this is real interesting. Ooh, good step and round kick to the body. Man, those switch kicks of his are nasty. Yes, he's so good with it. And he's also good, like, sneaking it up high out of nowhere, which is what he did with Matt Brown.

He snuck that switch kick off the left leg. That was a front leg round kick to the face he knocked Matt Brown out with. Look how different their rhythms are, eh? You can see these conflicting rhythms. Well, Masvidal is much more boxing-oriented in his attack. See, he's letting them know. He's trying to play them a little bit. You don't hear it. I have watched this fight. You don't hear it, but he's letting him know he's trying to play him a little bit You don't hear I have watched this fight. You don't hear it, but he's like oh like he's making sounds

He's trying to to give cowboy novel experiences See you can see yeah, he is he is making some noise That's interesting. I wonder if we would get pulled if we had the sound in the background What would happen young Jamie Fox my. Is Fox who jacked me? Fox don't mess around. Tell Fox I'll come back. I'll do a couple shows. Yeah.

Do it. That might do it. That might do it. Just let me talk some shit about one or two of them. Oh. Oh. Good left hook. Right hand and a left hook.

That would be so good. Masvidal wants to stay in there long enough to land the last punch and back Donald up, and that's hard, man. He's super aggressive, Masvidal. So tough to do with Donald. So fucking hard. So tough to get Donald to go back. That was a nice leg kick there by Masvidal as well.

He comes in clean with that jab, and he also has a real nice high guard, Masvidal. He's a crafty fighter, man. Really well schooled. So smooth. Yeah. Like water. I like that inside leg kick Donald throws. Me too.

Donald's one of the best leg kickers in the sport for sure And or he's taking him dead serious like the hands And you can tell don't about too worried about getting taken down how he's so tall like he fights anyways But when he engages another strike One of the most head kicks to battle, he's always tall. Look at his leg. He probably has one of the most head kicks, too. I mean, he's landed like, what, 10, 15? Oh, for sure. Yeah, he's knocked out a lot of guys with head kicks. He wants to be in there until the end.

Look at Masvidal's leg, though. Cowboys eat that shit up. Beautiful inside leg kick there. Yeah, love that little off-time body thing. Oh, he went to the body there, too. Look at Masvidal. Eats it and comes back. That was the question, right?

With the leg kicks, how's he going to deal with it? Because it's there. We said he would counter off them. With punches. Yeah, with punches. And his counters off the kicks are slightly different, too. Instead of sweeping the one side and then using the typical kick, off that he'll go left hook.

He also just takes it. Yeah. He's so aggressive. So tough. Yeah, he's so, So tough Yeah he's so like The fact that he keeps Closing the distance In on Cowboy

People don't understand How good he is Constantly walking down Yeah no he's very good You know why Because he's never had That breakout win I don't mean to interrupt

You know what I'm saying Like he's never had That huge staple win Well if you look at His lifestyle too I mean he really Has had to Concentrate and be much

More dedicated Over the last couple years Because before he used To play a lot of video games and fuck off. Is this Masvidal you're talking about? Yeah, it was like half of the fun of watching his countdown shows. How's that wheel kick? I love that little feint to come forward. That.

Oh, yeah. Donald with the takedown attacks. How quickly he's up. Masvidal's got good takedown defense, man. That American top team is a fucking crazy gym. You know what? It caught him. Yeah, just off the forearm.

A little bit, yeah. A little bit, yeah. Yeah, you can see he's backing up a little. A little bit. Good check right here. Man, that spinning elbow. Damn. Oh, shit.

Yeah. But the jab is just... Osvidal's got a nice... That switch kick off the left side that Donald throws is so nice. Sometimes Jorge's hands are down, and they're not down tonight, man. No. Dad's serious. A lot of respect for the head kick.

He just understands what it is. Well, completely on that right side because of that left high kick. That left high kick. Ooh, he's throwing. Caught him there. See, his overhand compared to Arlovsky's, it's hidden. Yeah. This is just expressed.

It's not thrown. Honestly, when I look at Arlovsky's move, I've got to go back to this. Ooh, nice back kick. I feel like our laughs keys shoulders are gone there Probably a lot of weird. Yeah, I really tight He's through the jaw punches like he's throwing them with his arms as John can only take so many punches, right? There's that everyone's got a certain amount that they're gonna take and that's it. Yeah, you don't well not only that dude when guys Oh nice leg kick there guys take a lot of punishment, their fucking motor skills start going, bro. Like, they can't move the same way.

That hurt him right there. Oh, he got tagged there again. That beautiful, that right hand. He's starting to get loose. Oh, jeez. Oh, shit. Now he's hurt. That hurt him.

He got flat-footed there. Yeah. It's all push-pull. It's push Paul Jorge Oh Strong kick Taste of his own medicine Oh

Drop He's out there Stop He's out Stop that fight Stop that fight No Nope

No End of the round End of the round That's insane That's fucking out When have you Joe When have you ever seen

Or Rob Eddie When have you ever seen A ref at the end of the round go like this? Wave his hands like it's out. He might have questioned himself. It's better off to just end the fight now, man. They should end it right there.

They should end the fight right there. He was out. I think so. He looks out right there. Once that call's been made, now it's up to the doctor, and Greg's just going to do his job here. Yeah, Greg Jackson was screaming at him, you're not going to lose in Denver.

This is what I want from you, head movement. What are you going to do? Move my head. There was a big pep talk here, but honestly, you've got to wonder whether or not it's the right move to send a guy out. You don't know. I mean, you're hopeful. You want him to recover.

You don't want him to lose by stoppage. Let's take a look at it here. Off the left to the hook, yeah. Boom, boom. The right hand to the temple. The left hand behind it. So he's in deep trouble here. He's out there. He's taking shots. His eyes roll back. Watch this left hook. Herb steps in. Boom. So he knew the kick was coming because he kicked the body.

Boom, boom, boom. Man, what a combination. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. He sweeps the kick away and it loads his left hook Now do you feel like Herb was stopping the fight And then the bell rang And then he said let's just keep it going That's what you think

I don't think he should be It's on the doc I think It shouldn't be on the corner so much Or the fighter, the fighter's gonna want to fight The doctor should be like we can't do this Jorge smiled at him, I got you What do you think the people would want They want blood on the corner so much with the fighter. The fighter's going to want to fight. Right, of course. The doctor should be like, we can't do this. Oh, look at that. Jorge smiled at him. I got you.

What do you think the people would want? They want blood. They wouldn't give a fuck if Cowboy died in there. If you have money on it, if you have money on Masvidal, you want that shit fucking over right there.

Fuck those people, though. Fuck those people. Think about the fighter. You want to see Donald be a world champion? You want to see him take brain damage right now. Exactly.

It's what's right. What is the right thing to do? So right now, it's very hard to argue that's the wrong thing to let him fight because he's moving around, his hands are up. He's compromised. He's compromised. You've got to protect the fighter from himself.

He is. You have to protect the fighter from himself. Look at that nasty knee to the body. Masvidal's fucking him up, man. Oh, my God. I would like to see Cowboy jump to guard there. Cowboy's so tough. God damn that nasty knee to the body. Masvidal's fucking him up, man. Oh, my God. I would like to see Cowboy jump to guard there. Cowboy's so tough. God damn, he got fucked up there.

He's inviting the kick. See, he's kicking him to try to get him to kick him, to kick back. Don't kick the knee. Oh, nice leg kick. He's asking for a kick. Yeah, you see the way Donald's throwing those punches. Those are purely defensive. He's just trying to keep him off.

And then he goes for the kick. Boom! Tagged him again. That's the end. You's just trying to keep him off. And then he goes for the kick. Boom! Tagged him again. That's the end. Wow, he gets up! Oh, those body shots. That's it. Just stop it. It's a bummer for Cowboy, man. That's a fucking bummer.

Oz Ross said, you know what happened? Did he just say that? You know what happened? Oh, fuck. He said, you know what happened? You know what happened? Is that what he said to him? I mean, rightfully so. They talked a lot of shit and then when you murk the guy in his hometown it's like yeah what's up man wow fucking told you that doctor's interesting he's got those shells and mike brown very pink shirt yeah the doctor i need to see his degree no no easy on the doctor easy on the doctor good dude i know that guy really looks like he's

a good dude he's very he's a doctor he's's a doctor. Let's see what he says here. Look at this. You know what happened. You know what happened. Hold on. Give me some volume, Jamie. You know what happened. Hey, man.

That's the real thing right there. It's dark. Fuck that. Lose with a little more grace. I mean, win with a little more grace. Easy B. Hey, man. That's the real thing right there. Fight. Fuck that. Lose with a little more grace. I mean, win with a little more grace. Easy, easy beach. Oh, shit. It's because Donald talked all that shit,

and then when that happens and the guy goes, I fucking told you, everyone goes, oh, sore loser. It's a fight, man. And he's cool now. You know what happened. It's a fight. You know what happened.

And he just backed up. He's like, I fucking told you that was going to happen. Masvidal asked for this fight. He goes, I will fuck him up in Denver. It's a fight. You know what happened. And he just backed up. He's like, I fucking told you that was going to happen. Masvidal asked for this fight. He goes, I will fuck him up in Denver. He can beat anybody. He literally can beat anybody. If he's on, yes. If he brings his A game, he can.

Yeah, because this fight was made after Cowboy's last win, right? Masvidal said, I'll fight him. And then Cowboy gets on the mic and goes, let's do this dance in Denver. Six weeks after fucking getting dropped by Matt Brown. You got to protect Cowboy from himself. Watch how he loads the left hand. Right there. Loads.

Too tough for his own guy. He loads to the left hook. I'll have him back. And this is the stoppage. This is the end. Mosby does very fast. He's smooth. So smooth.

Mosby Doll's a monster. You got to wonder if it was the right call to let him come out for that second round. Watch the loaded hip. Yeah. Right there. We got good action. Yeah, I know. I'm glad they let it go

I want to see more action As a coach though Eddie If that was Tony Ferguson You should be saying I'm not his coach I'm just saying As a fan I want to see it

I want to see it I'm not MMA Mother Teresa Look at this for a second You want to see action Not if that was Tony or Kelvin You wouldn't No no no

Wait Herb stopped this fight Don't talk over him please But look at this It's timely because they're showing it I have a question Why is he win it. No, no, no. Wait, Herb stopped this fight. Brian, don't talk over him, please. But look at this. Look, it's timely because they're showing it. I have a question. Why is he stopping it when he's hitting the body? Because he sees it.

Because he was done. No, because he has nothing. Because he was done. He saw the response when he touched the liver. You see his body just kind of shut down right there. And Herb, me, he's a human being. So he's feeling, questioning his decision earlier anyway. He knows he fucked up. And if he sees the chance, he's going to take it.

Yeah, he knew it was a bad place for Cowboy right there. He was getting lit up. I think, and it's easier to say, and you can be a couch quarterback here, I think it's easier to say, man, Donald shouldn't have fought this soon. But honestly, the UFC should not allow Donald to fight six weeks after suffering brain trauma. No commission should have cleared him. His coaches shouldn't allow him. He wants to, and that's the cowboy way.

Cowboy losing the number 12 guy in the world. Cowboy can be world fucking champion. But you gotta he's a thoroughbred man. Treat him like that. Don't let him do this wild shit. It's a different game. Doing something that you would never see a guy like Floyd Mayweather do for example. Or Conor.

Would never do that. Yeah fighting six weeks after a war it's his life i get that but also he's not making connor money he's not making floyd money either you know what i'm saying he can do that if he was world champion right yeah that's the argument right he needs to be protected from himself he's too tough for his own good that's that's the case with a lot of warriors i support these guys uh choice to do what they want to do always. If a doctor says you can't fight, then you don't fight.

If your family talks to you and gives you advice and you don't want to take it, you don't have to take it. It's a free society we live in. You can eat as much sugar and fat as you want to eat. You can smoke as many cigarettes as you want to smoke.

You can do as much heroin and cocaine. No, hold on. Until you have brain damage or you have brain trauma, which can cause you to be impulsive and make decisions that maybe you're not part of the game. That's part of the game. That's what you signed up for. What I'm saying is that your team

should try to protect you from yourself. If they would have stopped that fight, if Greg Jackson would have stopped it right there, that would have been... You're talking a former fighter. Donald would have wanted it. Donald, that could have fucked their relationship up. Maybe Donald would have said, why the fuck did you stop that goddamn all night, all weekend? You never know.

Guaranteed, you never know. I think he was out on a stool. I think he was out on a stool. He looked like he was delirious. I think he got hit. If we go back to that first round, the end of that first round, he got hit fucking hard, man. People have come back to that before. So when he's a sit Donald down and go, what do you want to do?

What do you want to do? Do you want to be known as the cowboy and you in a bar 20 years from now, like that guy fought everyone all the time? That was awesome, man. Or do you want to be known as a world fucking champion? Stop doing this bullshit. But hold on. You already said this. But Eddie, I think that what you're saying is true.

But I think what you're saying is true, too. What you're saying is true is guys have come back from that. But what he's saying is guys don't come back from that if they take the kind of beating that they took just six weeks ago. And it's something that goes against kind of what Donald's been saying. Because Donald's been saying

that he doesn't spar anymore in his camps. And one of the reasons why he doesn't spar anymore is because he took too much fucking punishment and he'd go into these fights already damaged. Donald. He does drills now.

He does almost primarily drills. And when he spars, if he does it all, they do it like Thai style where they're just touching each other. So he's working on his timing. He knows how to fight already. He already almost primarily drills. And when he spars, if he does it all, they do it like Thai style where they're just touching each other. So he's working on his timing. He knows how to fight already. He already knows he's tough. There's no questions. So it's all just about getting your timing and your

endurance down. So I think you're right. Like, guys have come back from getting hit like that. Like Frankie Edgar against Gray Mader came back to stop it. It's happened a lot. Yeah, it's happened a bunch of times. Sometimes it doesn't. But you're right. You're right. But I think he's right, too. Because I think that that fight from six weeks ago, that was a war with a killer. It really was.

He was in a war with a killer. People forget that. Yeah. Because we see the highlight, him murking Matt Brown with a head kick that's like, before that, that was a close fight. He got dropped. He did get dropped. That's right. That's a good point.

But in the end, whether you're his coach, you're his best friend, you're his family member, you say what you feel, and then he's going to decide. See, I don't agree with that. I think his coaches should go, listen, we know you want to fight to the death, but the logical thing is, don't fight in Denver against the No. 15 guy. Let's wait. Let's fight the No. 4 guy, and then

you get a title shot. Let's do that. Yeah, I agree with you, that that would be the most intelligent thing to do, but there's a big fight coming up in Denver. If Cowboy did get a title shot. Let's do that. I agree with you that that would be the most intelligent thing to do. But there's a big fight coming up in Denver. If Cowboy did get a fight against a guy who could win, he could beat, and he did win in Denver, he would have been a hero. Right? He's already a hero. I understand that. So he beats the number 15 guy.

He wanted to feel it again. He wanted to feel it again. So he beat Masvidal. At 170, it's different. He's fighting number 14 at 170 because he's new to 170. He's ranked number five. Yeah, it's crazy. At 170 in the world. He's fighting number 14 at 170 because he's new to 170. He's ranked number five. Yeah, it's crazy. At 170 in the world.

He's pretty close to a title shot. I will say this, though. The upside to being a UFC champion or a fighter, the upside is the most amazing feeling ever. Getting your hands raised, knocking someone out on the octagon. Payscale, too. No, it's the upside. It's the greatest, I'm sure. I've never fought, but I'm sure.

When those guys, when Chuck Liddell wins, it's like you're the king of the world in the UFC championship. That's the upside. You're going to have a feeling that very few people taste. It's like the ultimate glory. Like when Chuck Liddell throws his arms back. Yeah, the ultimate glory.

The downside is to get there. Man, it's a lot of risky shit. That's why this sport is so big, because it's so much risk. The sport will never grow if everyone thinks that way. It's already, we don't need the sport to grow. We don't need, this sport is fine where it's at. It doesn't need to grow. Because of guys like Conor McGregor, who's going, I'm not taking that fight.

You know what? I'm not doing that. You know what? I'm going to wait and do this. Well, he got big with doing the UFC program, and now he's beyond that, and he's gone beyond that. He's growing the sport. I think at this point, in the beginning of the UFC, we always had to be careful how you explain the fights and the rules and how everything was broken down. But now it doesn't matter.

The UFC is so big, we don't have to, like, oh, we want the sport to be huge. It's already huge. Right? It's already fucking huge. You've got't have to, like, oh, we want the sport to be huge. It's already huge. Right? It's already fucking huge. You've got to go to another level, though. This is a crazy level, man. It's on Fox. I mean, it's crazy.

Yeah, it is a crazy level. But I think the Conor McGregor level, the Conor McGregor has taken it to the next level. And it's going to go one level above that. I think it's going to continue to grow. And it's not by taking stupid fights and just never becoming world champion. It's about being professional. And I think if you did look at it in a professional manner, I agree

with Brendan, but I also agree with Eddie. We're both right, Brendan. Yeah. Well, there's no right or wrong. Depends on your fighter. Because here's the thing. Conor McGregor took the fight with Nate Diaz on very fucking short notice. 11 days. Takes an 11 days notice fight. Fights at 70. You know, doesn't cut any weight at

all when he's supposed to be fighting at 55 for the title. Takes a giant chance and winds up losing. So you're right and you're wrong. That's part of what made the legend of Conor McGregor that he's willing to do something so fucking crazy. But now he's in this stratospheric position where he's worldwide, where dads come up to me at my fucking kid's school. And they want to talk to me about that crazy Irish guy. Just him, yeah. Yeah, no one wants to talk to me about Ron anymore.

They don't know who the fuck Francis Ngannou is. Don't give a fuck either. They will. They will. Guarantee you. Francis? Fuck yeah. I bought that tonight.

The heavyweights are always the scariest. You know that. They're scary. That guy keeps murking people. He keeps murking people like that. He murks people, gets personality, then he got something. He's a Tyson-like character. There have been a lot of guys like that.

He's Chakango. He's Chakango. And then, yes. I can name a few. I don't want to name a few. I want to see him screaming in French. Stop getting him to talk in English. I want to see him scream in French.

And I want him to grab his cock and, like, and bring it out. He's rich. He's wringing his cock out. Just stop and scream and throw it in the camera. That is a super athlete. That is a rare, rare athlete with some serious fucking ability and mindset. He's got a destroyer's mindset. That guy has all the tools to be a world champion.

But can he get by a guy like Kane? If you can't even see a Kane. And Steve B he get by a guy like Kane? And Stipe. All those guys. Saw was the right way Kane's going to try to pressure you. At least it used to. Double jab, overhand right. Still, it's the right idea. You know he's coming towards you. Instead of straight back and roll the shoulder out on an

angle, you still need to catch him coming in. You're talking about night and day. You go back to Kane that fought Nog You're talking about night and day. Yeah, for sure. But it's the concept. You go back to Kane that fought Noguera. There was no one like him ever before. I just feel like his body just can't. You know that rematch?

Oh, yeah. What the fuck are we talking about? He beat the fucking Brace. Twice. JDS has never been the same. Never been the same. Never been the same. Well, the amount of damage he took in those fights was catastrophic.

And he had a pace that no one could fuck with. You couldn't keep up with it. He just would keep it on you over and over and over again, but his body just does not seem like he can handle that kind of damage. He's had a lot of fights, though. Even if it were to stop right now, to me, still the greatest UFC heavyweight

of all time. Yes, I agree. But I feel like he could have been the greatest greatest of all time. The only one who's right up there with him is Fedor. And you've got to give the nod to Fedor based on most recent, like Kane's most recent fights. You look at him losing to Verdum, you're like, man, you've got to kind of, when you look at it on paper, like Fedor during his heyday was something special. Verdum beat Fedor though, and that was like a legit Fedor too. Not really.

Kind of legit. That's Fedor. He was and that was like a legit Fedor, too. Not really. Kind of legit. He was the first guy to do it, though. His own coaches were already talking about his lack of preparation after the Brett Rogers fight. Yeah, that's easy to say, but we really didn't see any. No, no, that's how he won. He beat Brett Rogers, and his own coach was saying that he went up and he used his old tricks, but he didn't prepare correctly. It's Brett Rogers.

No one did. Yeah, but that was the beginning. He's homeless now. Fucking did you know that? I know. He's trying't prepare correctly. It's Brett Rogers. No one did. Yeah, but that was the beginning. He's homeless now. Fucking dudes. You know that? I know. He's trying to fuck dudes. Brett Rogers got arrested.

He's trying to fuck dudes in the ass, and he's homeless. And then went to prison doing the same shit. So he got arrested after kind of touching two guys, and then they sent him to prison, and then in jail, he was accused of touching his mate. Yeah, no shit. He knocks him out and then fucks him? I don't know. Can you imagine him being your fucking cellmate and watching Brett Rodgers?

God damn it. Good timing. He's the biggest guy I've ever seen in my life. I remember interviewing him with, and I'm not a tall man, but holding my hand straight up in the air to interview him. When Fedor hit him with that fucking haymaker right hand. You ever see the animated GIF where his head goes flying off? fucking haymaker right hand. You ever see the animated gif where his head goes flying off? No. His head goes

flying off and it slams against the camera and creates this big splatter. He hit him so fucking hard. What did you guys think of the Tito-Cheo fight? It was a legit fight, for sure. Anybody saying that it was a work, they're looking at slow motion, they're saying that

Tito motioned. If you speed it up to real time when the fight was going on, it's like this. He's trying to hand fight. He's trying to figure out what to do, whether he can tuck his chin, whether he can move. And by the way, you've got to recognize that Tito's had serious fucking neck surgery. He's got

fused discs in his neck. So if he gets a little sketchy, if someone's grabbing his neck, I understand why. But it's just, you know, it was a bigger, stronger guy who got a hold. Look at this. Eddie, look at this. Hold on, watch this again. It comes at you.

Boom. That is the craziest animated GIF file. That shit is so sick. That was right ass. Is that the hardest right hand of all time? I like the timing, too, man. Dude, the fucking internet is amazing. Actually, look at the way his back foot comes off.

See the way his back foot? It's actually a pitch. McGregor's left hand, when it's done right, is the same thing. It's not a turning punch. It's an overhand pitch. He pushes off of it and just wings it with the momentum. He's so explosive. Remember his countdown videos

was like him in the mountains like with fucking big logs and shit doing just rushing shit you remember when he when he fought

what the fuck's his name Tim Sylvia when you fucked up Tim Sylvia in Affliction in a minute Jesus Christ oh my god

that was Tim Sylvia that was when Tim Sylvia was Tim Sylvia. That wasn't Tim Sylvia. It was Tim Sylvia. That was the Wild Wild West where everyone was doing everything. Tim Sylvia's basically seven foot with a great jab and great takedown defense. People forget about Tim Sylvia. They paid him $600,000 or $700,000 for that minute, Tim Sylvia. It's a good payday to get clobber knockered.

But I think that if you go back to Tim Sylvia that fought Rico Rodriguez, that was my favorite Tim Sylvia. Tim Sylvia had all the steroids. Everything. Everything they had.

He had huge shoulders. He had giant killer ass. See if you can find that, Jamie. Pull up Tim Sylvia versus Rico Rodriguez. And Tim, if you listen to me right now

and you're mad at me, you know I'm a fan, but you know you're on the shit. Shut the fuck up, buddy. I think he admitted it. You know at me you know I'm a fan but you know you're on the shit We're not breaking any news it's funny after a diuretic. He was so scary though when he was juiced up He was so scared. Oh my god. He was a fight night guy when he was the Wild West days Those are the days of a different. It was he juiced when he fought Noguera? I don't think so.

You should watch that fight after. The testing got significantly harder. A little loosey-goosey then, too. Yeah, a little loosey-goosey. A little loosey-goosey. Not like now. Definitely not like now. Now you take a fucking caffeine pill and you're suspended for six years. When would they test you back then?

The night after the fight. They had a few randoms they did occasionally back then. Like Alistair got busted, remember? Alistair got busted on a random. Dudes got busted on randoms. The commission would test you? Yeah, well, they started ramping it up right around the time they decided that this testosterone replacement therapy thing was no good.

Dude, he was so jacked. See if you can find the video, Jamie. Even his face is muscular. What's that, buddy? Dude, he looked great back then. Holy shit. Oh, my God Even his face is muscular. What's that, buddy? Dude, he looked great back then. Holy shit. Oh, my God.

He was jacked. He said he took the steroids because they teased him about his body at the gym. Yeah, he said he wanted a six-pack. He kept saying he was going to have a six-pack. He kept telling me. I go, dude, you don't need a six-pack. You're smashing people. Six-packs aren't for everyone. You don't need to.

But he was jacked back then. He didn't have a bad body. Dude, he did everything to get the fans to love him. Remember he came out to, I forget, what did he come out? He came out to, oh, Jesus. No, he came out to Jesus walks. And then he would get on the mic and they'd be booing him. He'd be like, I'm doing it for the troops.

And he came out with the American flag. He did everything. You check it off. People are going to love this. And they still just didn't do it. Wear the jersey and the tag. Yeah, he did everything. But you can't beg for it.

You can't beg for people to like you. They hate it. Because he looked like a big bully, I guess. Tim Sylvia's entrance. Sylvia versus Vera. Brandon Vera. That was back when Brandon Vera was a bad motherfucker. Remember when Brandon Vera got on the mic after knocking out Frank Merrill?

He was like, I'm going to be light, heavyweight champ, and heavyweight champ. He pioneered that Conor McGregor thing. And then they signed a bad motherfucker. Remember when Brandon Vera got on the mic after knocking out Frank Merrill? He was like, I'm going to be light heavyweight champ and heavyweight champ. He pioneered that Conor McGregor thing. And then they signed a shitload. He got paid. Well, it took a long time before he got paid. He was out for a long time. But here's the other thing that happened.

He stopped training with Rob Kamen. That was a big factor in his early success is that he was training with one of the greatest kickboxers of all time. And Rob Kamen is so technical. I trained with Rob for quite a bit when I was supposed to do that Wesley Snipes thing. I did all my striking with Rob Kamen. And, dude, I had an understanding of how people set things up

and systems and systems that they struck under, but I had no idea that there was someone out there that had that kind of depth to their thought process behind striking. Because all we would do four days a week was get together and talk strategy and technique and striking, and he would explain things to me, and then we would hit pads. And then after we'd hit pads, like two days a week, I'd spar with somebody.

Amazing. And, dude, Rob Kamen is a bad motherfucker, man. His techniques and his strategy and the way he breaks things down. Mastermind. Oh, he's genius, man. And it makes you really, truly appreciate when you would watch his fights now. You see all the shit that he's setting up. We don't have to hold him on the table anymore.

It's legal now. That must have been awesome. In California. Joe, being able to do that with Rob Cameron, that must have been amazing. Tell Joe who you want to do that with. He's going to go study Matt Hume. I'm good. That's smart, too.

Yeah. I asked Matt. He's a bad motherfucker. Matt Hume. I'm good. That's smart, too. Yeah. Well, I asked Matt. He's a bad motherfucker. I think he's the best coach in the game. He has the best fighter in the game. And I think he's got the big picture. He puts the whole thing together. He is the strength and conditioning coach.

He's the everything coach. Yeah. And because of that, he can periodize everything properly. So, you know, you're not sending your guy over to another guy unsure of when he's tired or what he's tired or what he's doing on a schedule he's he schedules it all and demetrius actually trains a little bit less than everybody else he rests more that's very smart well the thing about a guy like matt hume is he's also got physical capabilities that mirror world-class fighters like he can fight

like really fight you watch his fight with pat militech way back in the day he fucked up pat militech she was like one of the first super high level guys like super early on hey brian He can fight, like really fight. You watch his fight with Pat Miletic? Way back in the day, he fucked up Pat Miletic. He was like one of the first super high-level guys, like super early on. Hey, Brian? Yeah? Are you in the bathroom? Are you in the kitchen, rather, buddy? Yeah, we're in the kitchen. Can you get me one of them kombuchas?

One of them... One of them kombuchas? Kombucha. Kombuchas? I'm good with those. I'm good. Want one of those, Jeremy? Yeah, he's a wizard, man.

And he's seen it all. He was a judge back in the glory days of pride. He never fought in the UFC, but easily could. Thank you, sir. Easily, easily could. Oh, yeah. I called some of his fights over in Pancrase and stuff. I've broken him down from old fights.

There was one of them where he was riding this guy's hip and just spent the whole fight back here. And at the time, it was just so out of character. And I broke it down and then I saw him. And he's like, yeah, thanks for doing that. That was really nice. I'm like, cool. I said, how'd you do that? And he just matter of factly, he's like, well, I knew he didn't understand this

particular kind of freestyle wrestling, so I just designed the entire thing about doing something he didn't understand. which was so natural to him also his dad trained with Bruce Lee or Dan Inosanto so Bruce Lee to Dan Inosanto to Matt's dad like the lineage is still super legit so smart so I asked him if I could come and just stay in a cheap hotel nearby and come shadow him for 10 or 12 days on my own for my own cost and for vacation.

I said I'd clean the gym and whatever I could do to help. And he said, yeah, I'm not opposed to it. Just circle back. Damn, he's going to make you clean the gym? I offered. You shouldn't have offered that, bro. You've got to start slow. No, it's a nightmare.

You've got to start slow. Give me a couple bucks. Oh, you don't need to. Oh, thanks, man. Cool, dog. Let me get you lunch. Yeah. Don't go to that.

You have zero to 100. Yeah, I'll go social media on you. I'll put some Instagram posts on you. I'll do a breakdown every fucking day of all this stuff. Videotape him. I want to do a piece on you. I told him I would document it if he didn't mind, but I don't need that. I want new inspiration. I said maybe February, maybe

March. When Mighty Mouse is in camp? Yeah, that's the plan. That's when he should be there. How often are you training? Three times a week. Are you doing MMA training? Are you doing jiu-jitsu or kickboxing? Powerlifting and strength and conditioning. And strength and conditioning, I'm always trying to customize it with my coach, Paul,

to mimic what I'm seeing guys do. So everybody was moving, so I had to start to understand agility and direction change and stuff like that. So customize strength and conditioning for things that I'm trying to understand concepts and direction change and stuff like that, so customized strength and conditioning for things that I'm trying to understand, concepts. And I'll do jujitsu once a week. I have a kickboxing coach, Evan Boris, who is one of Henry's guys, Henry Hoof's guys.

He's up in Toronto. He's really good. And he's a good friend. Where did Henry go? He left Blackstone's own gym. In Florida? I don't know what he's going to do. And a lot of those athletes just went with him right away. He's the gem of that.

Yes. He's the heart of the Black Sands. He's the real thing there. He's as good as it gets, man. And, you know, so it's weird political shit when you put really smart, talented people all together. If they don't have the exact same vision, some weird shit will happen. It's a chemistry thing. You can't just throw in a—it's like the pro ball.

You can't just hope all these guys get along. There's too many egos. Jackson and Winklejohn is so unusual. Those guys gel together so well. And AK. AK is a good example, too. Mike Brown is so cool, man. Greg Jackson is definitely one of the most humble guys in the game.

He has zero... He's like Marcelo Garcia. Zero shit-talking. I think that if you run a gym together, like Eddie, you and I could run a gym together because we know each other so well. We've been such good friends for so long. We could run a gym together easy. You and I would have no problem. We might disagree about some shit, but we disagree about shit all the time.

We never have a problem. You see one way, I see another way, but we would talk about things. We could actually run a gym. And I wouldn't, I don't, didn't think, I couldn't imagine we would have a problem at all. I couldn't, I couldn't foresee anything that we couldn imagine we would have a problem at all. I couldn't foresee anything that we couldn't work out. Just do an MMA show

in a soccer field. In a soccer field. I like it. With rash guards mandatory. I'm fucking out. I'm fucking out. I'm fucking out. I think the soccer field

is a great idea. Do that and have that Halleck and that other guy fight on a big soccer field. I like that. I love it. It would be easy. I like that fight, man.

I don't give a fuck what anybody says. And props to Halleck Gracie. No, I'm not being fun. Don't interrupt. Props to Halleck Gracie. I love it. It would be easy. I like that fight, man. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. And props to Halle Gracie. No, I'm not even talking about Halle. Don't interrupt. Props to Halle Gracie. I love the fact that you didn't just take a fight after a long time off. You took a fight to pay your debts.

You took a chance with Metamorris. I think it's a big thing to take a chance. All the criticisms aside, which I'm sure he would agree many of them are valid, that fucking guy took a fight to pay his debts, and he took a chance to start Metamorris in the first place It's not an easy thing to do but to give Jiu Jitsu Professional Jiu Jitsu a platform and a high profile platform and get guys like Eddie to fight guys like Hoyler get all the guys that he Got to fight he put on some very very good shows Josh Barnett

He had some really good level high level guys And I think it elevated the profile Jiuitsu. And then to go in there with that, how do you say his name, Sasaki Kato? Yeah, Kato. Kato, yeah. Kato. It's not Kato. It's Kato, right? That guy is a bad motherfucker.

He's a dangerous, legitimate striker. He's knocked out Joe Schilling twice. Not only does Halle fight him, he doesn't get hurt. He doesn't get hurt. He goes three fucking rounds. Yeah, neither one gets touched. And he mounts him. He mounts him.

He's dominating him in the last minute of the last round. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. That's what I like about jiu-jitsu. That's what I like about martial arts. When I see a fight like that, I like it. That fight was fucking terrible for me. I'm glad you guys liked it, though. I'm saying have that on a football field, though.

Yeah. Yeah. You got to get him. It would be... There would be no fight. Where did the fight take place? Or where did the fight go to the ground? Did they collide? No, but did they collide

with the cage at all? I don't remember. I don't remember how it went to the ground. It was against the cage. So we take that cage away. Actually, it's a lot tougher for Halleck with no cage. But it's tougher for Kato to hit him too. Can't corner him either. You can move away. You get zero action.

That's okay. Good, good, good. The dynamic cuts out. Combat Sambo is always never in a cage. Combat Sambo is always so it's proven it actually does work.

And there's no obstruction. When there's not a wall or a cage it's way better. There's no reason to go to the outside. There's plenty of room. It doesn't have to be

a football feed. Like a basketball court is plenty of fucking room. It doesn't have to be a football feed. A basketball court is plenty of fucking room. I like what happened. The combat will evolve around the playing surface, the rules, the everything.

And having that cage made some beautiful martial arts, though. All the combat against the cage is beautiful. It is, but it's better when there's no other thing there.

There's no other factor. It's just two fighters with their bodies. It's a sport when there's a cage. You can eliminate, but it's a sport when there's no other thing there. There's no other factor. It's just two fighters with their bodies to sport Yeah, you can eliminate, but it's a sport when there's no cage you can Factor but you can eliminate a factor still not just a fight cuz there's no headbutts no eye gouges no Rules you want to see back of the head No cage unified rules of MMA I do It would be terrible to watch Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning

How the fuck would you keep up I'm not negative I like the way it is I love the way it is There's nothing wrong with it Who loves the way it is more than I do I love it You just want it on a football field

I want it on a basketball court See we're making improvement On a basketball court The See, we're making improvement. It went from football to basketball. On a basketball court, the audience would have to look at the screen the whole time. The audience here, if you're on the floor, you think you've got good seats on the floor. You've got terrible seats if you're on the floor.

200 people on the floor? The good seats are the risers. You can't see shit from the floor. Unless you're ringside, you can't see shit. But Eddie, here's the thing. In a basketball court, there's no floor. So all that shit that you see that's floor, that would all be risers. So everything is risers.

In a basketball, fuck the floor. Oh, dude, it would be perfect. It'd be perfect. It'd be great. Let's do it. But we did get something awesome. We're going to talk to WME. Start it up.

Eddie and I are going to form an organization. We're going to make everyone wear rash guards, too. Mandatory. Love it. No greasing. That eliminates the greasing problem. Mandatory. Love it. No greasing. That eliminates the greasing problem. Tenth planet MMA.

People are greasing all the time. There's nobody checking. It's illegal but there are no tests for it. So there's a big

problem there. Dudes are greasing. Anytime some guy fights a black belt in jiu-jitsu of course he's going to grease. He's going to do it.

No one's checking. Nobody's checking. They do check but you can't really check. No one's getting busted. They're not swabbing their backs. Nobody's checking. They do check, but you can't really check. No one's getting busted. They're not swabbing their backs. There's Vaseline all over your face.

Sports always change rules and add things to increase the offense. They never change shit to increase the defense. For the entertainment value, the NFL does it. NBA does it. They're trying to increase the offense. Baseball's doing it, too. Baseball does NFL does it. NBA does it. They're trying to increase the offense. Baseball's doing it too. They do it. They're doing a shot clock. And more offense

in fighting is more knockouts and more submissions. The more submissions, the more awesome submissions, people love them, the better for the sport. When guys are greasing up and there's no test and the easy way to fix that, have them wear rash guards have them wear what what uh juliana pena's wearing no big deal it's not a problem why is it a problem girls wear rash guards all the time because we

can't have their titties out exactly right but exactly but do you think that they should cover their arms could they should they be able to cover their arms and legs? Yeah. Aoki tights. Yeah, tights. That's an advantage, though. What an advantage is more offense, dude. That's what we're talking about. Tweaking shit for more offense. Here we go.

It eliminates the grease. Round one, Shevchenko versus Pena. 454, 453, 452, 451, 450. The more grease, the less submissions. It's real simple. So this is a really

interesting fight here. Shevchenko is one of the best fucking strikers in MMA, period. Any man, woman, whatever. She's super solid. And that check right hook that she kept nailing Holly home with, excellent, excellent footwork, super strong Muay Thai. She wants to clinch the kid. She's more decorated than Joanna and Holly.

Really? She beat Joanna in kickboxing. Yeah, she beat Joanna. She's a lot bigger. And now she's about to strip her way out of here. She beat Joanna in kickboxing. Yeah, she beat Joanna. She's a lot bigger. And now she's about to strip her way out of here. She's going across the face. She's way more bulked up now than then, I believe. Yeah, they were the same weight when they fought, B.

Wow. She's making good choices here against the fence. Everyone agrees that she's got to take her down, right? Yeah. You've got to take Shevchenko down. You've got to take her down. Oh, I'm sorry. She can't.

Pena, yes. What if she can't take her down? She's gonna get knocked down. What is she gonna do? She's gonna get knocked down. What's next? We're gonna see. We're gonna see because this is her whole strategy.

Juliana is tough as fuck. She's very strong, but she's not a striker like in the realm of Shevchenko. The skill discrepancy is massive. Massive. Yeah, they're not on the same planet. She's gonna be defensive to close the distance, and then this is what she's going to concentrate on, knees to the body. Pena's all heart, all heart.

Look at this. She got takedowns. And that was a great choice. But the fight on the ground, she's going to let that happen. Why would she stop that? She's a judo black belt. That could have been just a ploy to get the fight to the ground. Because a lot of people are saying,

no, Pena in the clinch is going to whoop her ass. I'm like, she's a judo black belt. Her inside trips and her hips are ridiculous. Another reason to pull guard. Yeah, for sure. She's also super physically strong. Pena is doing all the right stuff, though. Go chest to chest fully.

But that's also the thing, man. Pena's whole deal is on the ground, being on the ground. And on the ground, she's super solid. But when you're dealing with a woman who's a judo black belt and a nasty kickboxer, boy, you got a weird room to move in. You got a tough fucking fight.

It seems like the smart thing to do is don't waste all your energy, just pull guard. This is a pretty smart thing to do, too, though. She's blasting with knees to the body. It ain't bad if she could pull it off. People forget Shevchenko. A lot of people think the Amanda Nunes fight, it was only three rounds. It was five.

Shevchenko probably wins that fight. Hey, here's a pervert question. Has any girl ever gone down from a shot to the twat? And will they show the replay? Will they show the replay? Because when dudes get kicked in the balls, they show it in slow motion. That's beautiful.

She took it down again. Beautiful. But she's got that great timing on the trip, that judo game. What about a kick to the titty? But look at her crowd, the legs, the feet aren't even on the ground now. She's not resisting the takedown.

Yeah, no, she's just getting tripped. She's throwing knees and she's getting tripped. Yeah, she don't care though. She doesn't care. She wants it on the ground. And Shevchenko hasn't been regarded once or even close to it. She's just crowding her. Yeah. It's smart of Shevchen on the ground. And Shevchenko hasn't been regarded once or even close to it. She's just crowding her.

Yeah. It's smart of Shevchenko. Yeah. But at this point, if Juliana could recover a half guard, and if she's got half guard game or butterfly game or full guard game, she's just got to recover. And then she can attack. She's trying to slide in and get some kind of guard back. She's got to clinch her.

She's got to stand across. She could just stand up and back out. She's got to hold on to it. She's got the shantacross. She could just stand up and back out. She's got to hold on to it. Shevchenko's so physically fucking strong, man. She's like a coil, like a steel coil. And Peña will never experience. She's got her in three-quarter guard now, so she's good. Is it legal to strike the breasts?

I mean, it should be. You can't strike. A woman's not wearing genital protection at all, right? Yeah, they are. Yeah, they got a cup. A cup? No. Yeah? What kind of cup? right? Yeah, they are. Yeah, they got a cup. A cup? No. Yeah?

What kind of a cup? Women? Yeah. Chastity belt? Do they? Yeah, they wear a cup, right? I don't think so. Are you saying right or do you know?

I'm pretty sure they do. I don't know about that. Young Jamie, can you please look that up? I think that's optional. Why would you? It doesn't look like they're wearing a cup. Well, you gotta protect that stuff too. That's what I'm saying.

Like, if you got hit with a knee to the clitoris, I'm sorry for calling a twat earlier, ladies. I was just doing it for comedic effect. Like if you got hit with a knee to the clitoris, I'm sorry for calling a twatter earlier, ladies. I was just doing it for comedic effect. But if you do get hit in your vagina with a knee strike or a kick, I've got to think that's going to be very painful. We haven't seen as painful as a testicle. Like where a girl just buckles and goes, oh, like some dudes do? Like when Vanderlei got kicked by Gilbert Ivo, he could stop the fight. Kicked him right out of the nut.

God, can you punch through the titties? Like could you just start elbowing to the tits? I don't think you can I think the breasts are off limit In California you can Has anyone gotten over those rules? I don't know In California

Joe, I heard you say I don't think it's been discussed Before that If groin shots were legal Guys wouldn't be going down like this And I agree with you 100% You would become acclimatized to it There's entire martial arts developed

So that you don't take... Look at this. Look at that. See, this is a shot here. Even if she pulls out, she has a chance. That's where her chance is. She'll stack her in the right box right there. Damn. She should swim and

take her to spider web right here, put that shin behind. She's never putting the shin behind her head. Oh! She's got to keep that deep hook. Her hook hook isn't deep enough she's gonna lose it what the fuck oh that's the round what the fuck you're doing see she got taken down and landed inside control and that was still good for all she gotta do is recover piece by piece inch by inch look she ended in almost an arm bar that's where she has, she needs to keep doing that. She's not resisting the takedown. She's letting her take a minute.

Maybe. She wants to fight on the ground. I'm sure she does. She's losing, but she's getting slammed. She got slammed with that takedown. But she had a chance. She would have definitely lost if she would have just stayed with her. But here's my question.

When men fight, they don't have them wear any specific type of cup, right? They don't tell them you have to wear compression shorts. Well, you get checked at the front. You have to at least show your weight. You just have to have a regular job with a cup. Those are bullshit. Those are stupid. Okay, it says, what does it say, Jamie?

Male. Female mixed martial arts. Female mixed martial arts. Prohibited from wearing groin protection. Wow. I did not know that. But imagine on the armbar. It's for ratings.

Look at this. Female mixed martial artists wear a chest protector. That's some bullshit. That wear a chest protector. Shall wear a chest protector during competition. Do they mean those sports bras? The chest protector shall be subject to approval by the commission. So they can't have a hard one? Is that what it is?

What kind of chest protector are these girls wearing? I just mean you gotta cover up your teeth. What state is this, Jamie? That's the UFC. No kidding. So they're wearing a chest protector. So they must have some padding over their nipples or something. It's subtle, whatever it is.

She's trying to go for that arm control. Like a knee pad. But look how rugged Shevchenko is off that. She's a brute. She's trying to drag her down. That might be the last attempt there. Her core is so goddamn strong. I mean, she tried so hard to drag her down to the ground like that,

but her core is so strong and her takedowns are so strong. It's one of the things I saw in her first UFC battle. I was like, this girl's not just a cakeboxer, man. She's so physically strong. When you were talking about movement, whether you train with a movement coach or you train with a different kind of strength and conditioning or something, when you can connect the upper and lower through the core so

powerfully and have all the, you know, your nervous system be able to move everything together that way, it just makes you better. Sure. And balance, man. No one's got balance like judo players. They're so good at shifting their hips and adjusting their balance. Those guys are so hard to take down. The lifetime of that.

And girls, rather, obviously. But you know what? You get that from break dancers. You get that from gymnasts. You even get that from Taekwondo people. Yoga. A lot of people that are used to doing things on one leg, like throwing kicks and stuff on one leg,

a lot of times those guys can adjust really well in takedown attempts and movement. Look at me. Do you guys find that taekwondo people play a better guard? They just have better sophistication with their feet and their legs? You're in a taekwondo room, sir. No. No? No.

The guard players have a different kind of flexibility, first of all, because the most important flexibility isn't like full splits. The most important flexibility is groin flexibility.'s like knee to chest foot to face the ability to go double lotus to put your your legs behind your head that's so much more critical than what's what you use in taekwondo so the dexterity is different i definitely think strong legs plays a big factor like if you if you're grappling with anybody who's got strong legs for any reason and then they develop the dexterity and figure out how to use them well.

Dexterous legs, yeah. I mean, your legs carry your whole body around all day, man. You know, the difference between Pena's a grinder. Gymnasts and break dancers is the gymnasts are doing set routines and break dancers improvise.

So that's why it's better for jiu-jitsu. Gymnasts do come in. Gymnasts do come in, and they got that crazy monkey body, the strength. But jujitsu is about making lightning quick decisions. And so quick that you can't actually make them yourself. You have to feel the body adapt. Your body's going to make the decisions

based on how it was trained. Right. And that's it. If you're thinking about it, you're just, oh, there you go. Beautiful trip.

Oh, man. But Juliana, she does not give up. That was beautiful. The question is, will she get tired? And she pushes her away from the octagon, too.

She's fucking tough as shit, man. She described herself, she said, I'm the hardest woman in the MMA. I don't think she said the MMA. I fucked it up.

It could be one round apiece after this one. When you're outskilled and you're winning with heart, that's what we said going into this one. You're fighting somebody way more skilled and experienced than you in a lot of areas, but you have more heart. That's impressive when you can make that work. Well, Jiu-Jitsu's better than Slabenko. Oh, I don't know, Eddie.

I'm telling you, man, Shevchenko has some nasty Jiu-Jitsu. She. Well, Jiu-Jitsu's better than Slavinko. Oh, I don't know, Eddie. I'm telling you, man. Shevchenko has some nasty Jiu-Jitsu. She's got nasty Jiu-Jitsu. And Juliana's got that. Does she have submission wins? Yes, she does. She does. She does.

She played double wrist control going old school. Pay close attention to this guard, man. Look at how she puts her head right there. Strong-ass legs, too. Those kickboxing legs. Those legs are... They got some fucking horsepower behind them, man. Who's expending more energy?

I have to see the work. I mean. Here. Who's spending? Both of them. Both of them are. Both of them are. Shevchenko's no joke, man.

No. But you got to ditch that ankle tattoo. Too late. She's gone for. So 1980s. 90s, I mean. I don't think she has the set-ups to tap Pena. Based on what I see right here.

She gets posture. She lets it go. That tells me that posture's not that important to her. And if it's not, there's no way you could have a high-level guard. Oh, yeah? Oh! Oh, my God!

Oh, my God! Oh, that's good my god! What? Oh, that's good, though. What? Oh my god! She's about to break her shit up. I didn't want to interrupt you. I didn't want to interrupt you, Eddie, but I was like, this is going to be hilarious.

I didn't hear him. I haven't seen this one. What is that called when that happens? Wow. Ironic? Murphy's Law? Shade and Fudge? How do you say that?

Who was more wrong than me? It was like the wrongest you could ever be. But she was deceptive. I just didn't know. I just didn't know. She's deceptive. To me, so far, it seemed like she wasn't really attacking. That's what I based it on. But she just went for it.

She just swung her hips and just fucking went for it. Well, Peña got a little cocky in there. I think she beats Nunez, man. You think she beats Nunez? Yeah. I think she wouldn't have beaten him the first time if they did more rounds So what happened in the first fight?

Nunes won a close decision? Shevchenko adapted and by round three she was in better shape but also by round three she just snapped on it Here's the thing about Nunes She's a nasty, vicious striker but you are just not going to be able to tee off like that on Shevchenko.

She's not going to be there. She's got five rounds. She's not going to be there. She's not going to be there. She's going to be standing southpaw, first of all. She's going to be sliding off to the right. She's always going to threat with that checkbook. She's going to throw nasty leg kicks.

She's going to chew your legs up. But, you know, I used to chew your legs up. I used to commentate for Pride. Pride 10. Henzo fought Sakuraba. I'm commentating. I'm the color guy. Sakuraba has a Kimura grip on Henzo. My commentary was, well, that's not

going to work. I said, it may work on guys at his gym. I said, it may work, but trust me, it's not going to work on Henzo. Boom! He gets in and breaks his arm. That's a real story.

So that was worse than that because I was actually commentating the show. I'm telling you, you might be looking at the best women's MMA fighter in the world right there. She's fucking good. She is, brother. You see Amanda Nunes has a mullet? Yep. Shit's dope. It's her call. It's her head. Did you see it? It's her call. It's her brother. You see Amanda Nunes has a mullet? Yep. Shit's dope. It's her call.

It's her head. Did you see it? It's her call. It's her head. No, I celebrate that. Quote of the night. It's her call. It's her head.

World champ and a mullet? Eddie, when you think about it, okay, you are one of the fucking world experts in something. And even you can be fooled by watching that. So when people are saying they know what's going to happen or making picks, even the highest level of expertise in the world can be deceived by what you see. I don't know if that's a compliment. It is a compliment.

It is a compliment. It is an absolute compliment. You were right up until that moment and then you saw something that made you give a bit a different perspective of it. This is what I've been trying to tell people about all martial arts.

Like when you were looking at Fedor, whether you're looking at Kane, in the moment, you can have an idea of how good someone is. You can have an idea of what's going to happen if they fight somebody else. But really, you never know. And really, you never know how good they're going to like how good it's going to look until the whole thing's gone down. Perfect examples, Ronda Rousey. Like if you look at Ronda Rousey, Ronda, when she was dominating women, was dominating women that, let's be honest, at that stage

of women's MMA, it was flourishing, it was growing, but you had Gina Carano versus Cyborg, and that was the highest expression of women's MMA before the UFC. So you have Strikeforce, Strikeforce has some very good fights, Ronda shines, Misha shines, and then, boom, they're in the UFC,

and the women are sort of not, you know, you get Betch Cohea, you got Alexis Davis, you're not getting this. This is some next level shit. And this is what happens, man, just like MMA from 97, 2017 has exploded and become a totally different thing, this is the same way. Same with the women. But that doesn't mean that Matt Hughes isn't one of the greatest fucking welterweights of all time. Even though Matt Hughes maybe doesn't stack up with today, you've got to look at the time.

He's an iPhone 1. Exactly. And he's got an iPhone 6. Watch your mouth. And at the time, iPhone 1 was sick. Exactly. Compared to the fucking 7. It was fucking the best phone going.

Exactly. Because that's all we had goes but the world changes and people change and they change moment to moment too and the truth like the word truth you know we describe things with opinions and using limited language and all of these things but the truth is the moment yeah the truth you know of all the cliches in fucking sports the moment of truth is the fucking best one to you go into a fight and they say go that is the moment of truth is the fucking best one. You go into a fight and they say go, that is the moment of truth. It's fucking truth.

Can Ryzen do Cyborg versus Ronda? No. I don't think Ronda would ever do that. First of all, I don't think contractually she could fight outside the UFC and I don't think she would fight outside the UFC and I definitely don't think she'd fight Cyborg.

She retires, you trying to see people's She retired you wanna see people does the contract once you retire right? No, no, I'm retired I'm retired as soon as I went I want to fight somewhere else the UFC goes cool. Here's your contract. Oh, they freeze it Yep. Oh, yeah, Walt Disney the freezers Okay, okay, true. Yep. Yeah, it's not that simple, and I don't think she would do that anyway. No. No, that'd be a terrible idea. Why not?

Because I think, first of all, Cyborg is probably walking around north of 190. So nice. Are you being serious? I'm not exaggerating. She was doing deadlifts with 300. She's mad at me, by the way. Who? She blocked me on Twitter.

She didn't like me either. Cyborg, if you listen, I'm not a hater. I'm not a hater, but I have to call him like I see him, good or bad. I tweeted a long time ago that I'd like to see the UFC open a 145-pound division so Cyborg could fight the people that are her weight class. You're welcome, Cyborg. But I was saying that a long time ago because this is even before all the controversy where me and Tony got in trouble for joking around about her.

But I was saying it's crazy to try to make this girl go to 35. She's not a 35-pound fighter. She's just struggled to get to 45. Let her fight at 45, and let's see what's up. Build it. They will come. They will be content. It's going to take a while.

Look at that fucking moment. What are they saying right here? What are they saying? I'm in the middle of something. She got upset because they're saying, you know, I'm going to fight you, and I'm going to win. And then she got mad. They both did.

And one laughed at the other one. She looks like a bad guy from Commando, an 80s movie. What's going on here? Oh, shit. She's doing. Get it, girl. Crazy. That's Russian dance.

That's Russian twerking. Yeah. There are hard people. Even that dance is hard. She's rough. There's the movement. She's rough. That's a super athlete right there.

Next chance at 135. Can we hear what she said? Yeah, we can back it up here. That was a wild dance. I like that dance. Jamie, give us some volume so we can hear that shit. It's a C athlete right there. Next chance at 135. Can we hear what she said? Yeah, we can back it up here. That was a wild dance. Jamie, give us some volume so we can hear that shit. She's a cross sack, dude. She's a badass cross sack. But anyway, about the cyborg thing, I got to tell the truth on both sides.

Yeah, you might have to wheel kick a bitch. I hear you, Joe. No, I got to tell the truth on both sides. And she failed two USADA tests. Not one, but two. You know, one of them was from a different drug, and this one is for some diuretic that's also used as a DHT inhibitor. This is not like, this is public news.

Yeah, that's not gossip. You're being fair. It's documented. It is what it is. You know, she shouldn't have taken something that was banned. It would never have been an issue. But let's hear this first. I'd pay money to have her attack Tony and Brian.

What's that? What did Brian do? Here we go. How you want to deal with this? I love it. That's great. That's your rules. Cheers.

Ooh. See she waits for the knee And look at this trip On one leg World class Yeah Timing World class timing Oh shit

And she is not the slightest Nice friendly smile God her outfit is sick It is so hilarious It's broken English shit This is a broken English Somebody needs to make a video of that It's a roast battle It's a roast battle with broken English roast battle. It's a roast battle with broken English. And it's hilarious.

And we know Eddie Bravo's like, play that back. Yeah, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. Let's look at her dance again. Look at her dance. Look at her dance, man. Dude, she can dance. Oh, dude.

She's an athlete, man. She's so goddamn powerful. That shit talking was so bad. That's a damn. That's going to be a great fight. All of a sudden, we're moving ahead. We're moving forward. Yeah, they've done it before.

We're moving forward. Yeah, we're moving forward. These are super high-level fighters. It's even better. This is a rematch. It's even better. No matter when it happens, you're going to get that tape, and you're going to chop it up.

But what she said is so important, because what she said there is that you're seeing two real world champion caliber mixed martial artists. They can do everything. Nunes is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, choked out Misha Tate. Hits like a tank. Choked out Sarah McMahon.

I mean, she's a beast, dude. She's nasty. She's fucking power punching. She's a long reach. She gets after it. She's super dangerous. I would fuck that cheeseburger up right now, by the way. It looks good, right?

Right? If only it was healthy. This is super dangerous. I would fuck that cheeseburger up right now by the way. It looks good, right? Right? If only it was healthy. This is nice wine, Brian. We don't play around. Brian knows his shit. Yeah. He knows his shit when it comes to wine.

He'll talk to a sommelier about grape locations. Darn right I will, Bobby. Where they grow them on the hill. Grape locations. I will. The weather that year.

He knows the difference between a burgundy and a pinot. Actually, it's kind of the same. We were talking about the same it's kind of the same. We were talking about... Same grape, same grape. Kind of the same. About how people talked about wine 50 years ago,

way different than they talk about and understand wine now. And that's the same thing with fighting and what we see. Those women are so much better than women's fighting was one year ago. I can't believe you're comparing it to wine. Oh, fuck it is. But you're right. Well, it's interesting was one year ago. I can't believe you're comparing it to one. Oh, fuck it is. But you're right. Well, it's interesting how quick it happened. It's just it took a while for them to get into the UFC,

and then it took a while for them to find their place. And then when you see someone like Ioana, when Ioana was super evident, when Ioana fought Carlos Barzai and when she fought Juliana Pena, when she fought Jessica, when she fought Jessica Pena. Jessica Pena. I know I always mess it up too. I fucked it up.

When she fought Jessica Pena, it was a murking. You know, it was nasty. She was smashing her and slicing her up with elbows. I call it nip-tuck. She gave her a nose job. It was rough. It was rough.

And when you see that, you're like, okay, well this didn't exist before. When you watch those kind of lightning fast combinations, that front kick to the face she hits those girls with, she just digs the hips in, that nasty long jab that she has,

just super high level striking. And I think when you see that and you open the door to that, it's like we were talking about before about Yair. Build it

and they will come. All these other women are going to step in and they'll fill that void and rise up to that level Yeah, the the base level rises. Yeah, like the base level that's an average level goes up Do you know that I'm still watching like another fight was the lowest level the fight, but that's some news I thought it was TV

Wanna watch that hell yeah I think it's on fight pass. See if you can find it on fight pass Sylvia Noguera. You want to watch that? Hell yeah. Can we get that on Fight Pass? I think it's on Fight Pass. See if you can find it on Fight Pass. See if you can get Donna versus... 5,000 Kimbo. Don't. Hey, I hate what that fight represented, but any time to... I was going to say athletes.

I don't know if... Maybe... Kimbo's an athlete. Kimbo's an athlete. Kimbo was an athlete. What about Hoy's Ken Shamrock? That was a great fight. Yeah?

The new one? And they were 50. I mean... People watched it. It got crazy. I couldn't wait for it to start. Did you enjoy. It got crazy. I couldn't wait for it to start. Did you enjoy the fight? Yeah.

You couldn't wait for it? Why do you got to be young to fight? Old dudes can fight. I agree. What about now? Did you have an old manly? We need to have an old dude fight. We need a senior tour.

We need a senior tour. And we have like obstacles, like fucking garbage cans and shit. Things laying around. On a football field. Two grandpas. Football field. No rules. The cage looks like a club. And listen, we leave pizza boxes laying all around the field.

So dudes slip on them and shit. And they fight on grass. Wet grass. Like right after the sprinklers. The sprinklers kick on and the crowd roars. Because that means the fight's about to start. That's the fifth round. That would change a lot.

You might as well fight on skates. And then you have dudes come out and they throw the pizza boxes down. And they have guys coming to place the fifth round. That would change a lot. You might as well fight on skates. And then you have dudes come out and they throw the pizza boxes down. And they have guys come in and place the garbage cans. The garbage cans are filled with like fucking used cat food cans and shit. It's all fucked up. Diapers. What? Yeah, because you've got to plow into them.

It's going to be like old dude fighting championships. And then you've got super hot cheerleaders. But hold on. Before they get started, they get drunk. The dudes sit there and they drink. Just the seniors. Everybody, like you have to have at least four drinks before the fight starts. They pour them out.

They stare at each other at the bar. They do the shots. And then the doctor goes, okay, we're good. 75 minutes. They get drunk and they push them out there. You just go downtown LA if you want. No, that's crack, bro. That's not healthy.

The thing about any of those changes you just made, they all change everything. Yeah. Like, change any one thing and everything changes. If we suddenly allow, like, kicks to the head of a downed opponent, four points. It's a whole different game. Every position is different. Totally. I like it.

You change. I think, we were talking about it, I think there should be no rules of any kind. And I don't mean for this. Yeah, eye gouging, biting everything. And I don't mean. this... Yeah, eye gouging, biting, everything. And I don't mean... Are you going to have this? Go back to Canada. What?

It's going to be insane. No fucking... It's not fighting. So this is a parallel universe in which we could do this where it isn't a sport. Nobody will watch this. Let me get to you right here. What if regenerative medicine... Regenerative medicine reaches a point where they can literally shoot stem cells right into your eyeballs,

grow you a new eyeball, 100% guarantee. It's no different than you getting one stitch. You get a cut that needs one stitch. It's your eyeball. It's nothing. But they're just going to shoot. You know that they do that now with third-degree burns. Dudes have horrible burns all over their arms.

They spray them with stem cells, and your skin grows back in like a matter of a few days. It's amazing. Really? People who are scarred for life now have no visible scars whatsoever. Even old scars? It works on old scars? No, no, no. It has to be fresh.

It has to be fresh. But while you have all that damage all over your body, they spray stem cells all over your body and your body just grows tissue. It's amazing. Jamie, pull it up. That's fucking amazing. And then grows tissue. It's amazing. Jamie, pull it up. That's fucking amazing. And then spray it. No, no.

Well, maybe. Maybe. That's a good idea. Maybe. That might work. Oh, it's amazing. I mean, that's probably the future. But once they reach that point where a guy biting your nose off doesn't really mean you

lost your nose. Right. That's so sick. All you have to do is spray it. Then you take pictures. Hey, I'm at the gym. Fucking look up my nose cavity. It'll be, doctor says another three days. I'd like to stick your head in fire for three seconds. That's so weird.

Check this. Check this. Look up there. Eddie, look up there. Eddie, look up there. Look at this. See before after Fucking massive burns. Was it a black person before? White after? Yeah, you go you turn white, but you're you're healthy No, oh, it sprays the victims own stem cells onto the wounds, and it regenerates tissue at a fucking ridiculously fast rate. I didn't say that. No, it does, man. Look, you could go into it online and see the studies that they've shown, but it's fucking amazing.

Severe burns. Oh, my God. And they're able to do this procedure. Yeah, 90 minutes, and within weeks, they're 100% healed. That's insane. P 90 minutes and within weeks. They're a hundred percent healed Permanent results within days look at that stem cells regenerate the skin leaving no scars So now is do we know this is legit? No, this is real 100% like a scam. No, that's a lot. It's on What is it from NASA and it's on YouTube and in the library? Oh, it's on YouTube

On YouTube YouTube and it's in the library. Oh, it's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. You saw this on YouTube or did you see this in the library? I just said that. It's both. It's both. You went to the Dewey Decimal System and he looked it up. It's double proof. When was the last time you went to the library, Brendan? What is a library? He's been reading a lot. Oh, we went to a library in Vancouver. What research did you do there?

They don't teach Canadians how to read? We did some research on you. We didn't know what your background was. We didn some research on you to make sure. We didn't know what your background was. We didn't know if you were working for the other side. So now we imagine

it's okay. We can bite. We can tear out. Whatever. Okay. If that's the case and you can rebuild tissue 100%, why not?

And the reason it would be fascinating is because over time you'd never get bit. Well, actually if we can rebuild it. Oh my God. Every position would change.

The eye pokes, the face biting. What about sticking brain stem cells into your brain where your brain is even better? They're working on that.

They're working on regenerating traumatic brain injuries. What if it gets to the point where you can go to kickboxing class and you can't ever spar because of brain damage?

What if every night you could go in and knock out 10 dudes? You get knocked out three times. It's not as cool anymore, is it? Because the risk isn't there. Dude, that'll always be cool.

Everyone was sitting trade. It's not about killing brain cells. It's about shutting a dude off and dominating him. No, it's about killing brain cells and taking years off his life. No, it's about shutting him off and dominating him. No, Eddie's right. If there's no consequences physically, yeah, I mean, then it's a totally different thing. I would quit jujitsu and do Muay Thai.

Then no one's cowboy anymore. Okay, but that's not true different thing. I would quit jiu-jitsu and do Muay Thai. Then no one's cowboy anymore. Okay, but that's not true. It's not true because that's jiu-jitsu. Because jiu-jitsu, you're killing each other without killing each other. When jiu-jitsu, you get a guy's back and you fucking put that choke on him, he taps. He's basically saying, you killed me. If we were in the wild, we were in the jungle, you would have killed me. So you let him go, you slap hands, you start again.

It's better. Like, jiu-jitsu people, I think, have a better bond than at least the gyms that I've been around than a lot of people that boxing spar and kickboxing spar because they hurt each other more. I agree with that 100%. Yeah. You have a weird relationship with each other. Guys I used to spar kickboxing with, they have this weird relationship.

We're trying to hurt each other. No. I was trying to hurt these guys. They were trying to hurt me. They're breaking my nose and shit. I think mentally, too, because it does hurt. It doesn't hurt. You know what I'm saying?

When you're doing enough, you can tap out whenever you want. It hurts when you hit them. It hurts the ego, but physically. But like a jab from the head. You're like, fuck, man. You don't want to get wrecked. How many times have you been hit in the back? You think about some time that some dude fucked you up in sparring,

just rocked you in sparring. You get mad when you're hitting the bag. You want about some time that some dude fucked you up in sparring, just rocked you in sparring. You get mad when you're hitting the bag. You want revenge. It's totally different. Yeah, the scores that guys settle even subconsciously when they spar. Oh, he wants more wine. Eddie's sent the Indians out. I don't know why we don't get tequila out for him. That's actually a

very valuable knife that was given to me by Justin Wren, and he got it from some people in the Congo because we built wells for them. I was actually going to stab him if he poured me another drink. That's what that was about. That's what it was about. Don't do it.

Pour me another drink or I'll stab you. It was the opposite. Good move. Discipline. Powerful black belt. We've been through this already. Speaking of being able

to fight like that, what if virtual reality, you went to fight, it doesn't really work if you're virtual realitying somebody because you don't get hurt. What if they reality, you went to fight. It doesn't really work if you're virtual reality-ing somebody because you don't get hurt. What if they use taser technology in with it so as you got hit, you got tased? You know what, man? Virtual reality doesn't work because it doesn't hurt, but goddamn, it's good for drilling.

I've only done it with boxing. I only did it once. It's kind of weird because if you look at gloves, if you're looking at your gloves in front of you like if you think if you have your hands like this that's how the gloves will look but it's not the gloves are like this so if you hold your hands like this so you're in front of the guy and you find yourself throwing punches like this because you want your your want your fist to look like an actual punch it's a little odd like that like they got to polish that up but other than that when the guy hits you, you see a flash of light. That's not enough.

It's not enough, but it's interesting. But it's interesting. A little bit of a zap would be better. But as far as just developing your skills, it's feedback. And really, that's all you need is feedback. And then you would figure out a way to get so good at the game

and get your head movement so on point that this virtual guy could never hit you and your skills would be super sharp then you could move into another stage of it so that you wouldn't have like there's one of the things that's a big problem with teaching people how to strike is the panic of getting hit like you can look great on pads but then when you're actually sparring there's the panic of getting hit so how do you get a person past that panic? Well, you've got to get them to spar light. And you've got to get them to trust people and develop their skills so that as the punch comes, you're not

locking up because some fucking Francis Ngannou dude is throwing nuclear missiles at your dome. No, someone's just touching you and you learn to do it that way. You can do that virtually. You can't do it with everything. It's not going to work with jiu-jitsu because there's too much moving and scrambling and choking. Not right now.

And you feel them. But what you don't have is, like, it's going to be difficult to, like, throw kicks. Like, kicks are going to be weird. Like, maybe you can do that, but you'd have to have something on your legs. Soldiers try. Our military does it where they try to mimic it through computers and then they try to the exact T and put them in stressful situations and then when the bullets are really

firing, a lot of them, when it's real, there's nothing they can do to mimic it. It helps for sure. It didn't hurt. I played one of those games in Afghanistan where they gave us rifles and you had noise and video. They mimic the war scene. It's so stressful, you get so pumped, but it's still a video game

It's just not and what the Navy SEALs telling he's like even we do all that Yeah, even when the real bullets flying I'll look written behind me and the guys just frozen because it's real He knows their consequences problem the big problem with the virtual reality boxing thing is you're actually not hitting anything like you need So my ideas, but it's you use no weight, it's okay, I'm telling you. There's a man, like a robot, on some kind of thing that gets controlled like this

and he moves. There's a robot. You're actually boxing a robot. He's got balloons. He's got actual balloons for fists with powder on it. Somebody else is controlling it. So you want to not get

a bunch of blue powder all over you. You know what I mean? So you're boxing. He's got balloons for hands. So you've got to like hit shit and you know. They did that movie. Isn't that better? Isn't that one controlling it?

But if you could, the guy was actually doing it like a real boxer. That's a movie. The Wolverine played him. Who's the actor Wolverine? They did that movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, I ripped it off. What are these? Oh, these are for football? Oh, cool. Yeah, like that kind of shit. They chase after you like a robot. Eddie, they stole your idea.

That's a good idea. But what I'm thinking is foam arms. But something that can throw. But you know that thing that I got in my garage, Eddie? That rubber guy that's just a torso and you can accommodate and punch on him? Something like that. You have something like that with arms. Yeah, and it throws real combos.

Yeah, you give him a bone on the upper arm. You give him some rigidity. But then the lower arms, or the forearms down, you just have it as just a rubber. Can you imagine just the one-two you could do with the robot? Just the one-two, it's just a robot. And you just gotta program it to go, down. You know what I mean?

It's not that hard. It's not that hard. And if you can avoid the robot, it's not like a real fight, but damn, it's pretty damn close. You're avoiding these combos that are programmed in by nerds. I mean, the Wing Chun dummy was some rudimentary concept related to that. No, because it didn't move.

But if you start with no movement, you start with an object, and then later it moves. I'm telling you, this virtual reality thing is really, there's something to it. But you're not hitting anything. It doesn't matter because you're moving and you're shadowboxing. A lot of shadowboxing, you're not hitting anything, but you're visualizing. This time you're visualizing, but something's in front of you. And when you hit it, its head snaps back. And you can move away from shots and dig to the body.

Training reactions. My idea's better, but I like that one. That one could work. You could combine the ideas. That could work too. The two of them are great together and that's going to happen. Get Elon Musk on it. We, but I like that one. That one could work. You could combine the ideas. That could work too. The two of them are great together and that's gonna happen.

Get Elon Musk on it. We'll have it like next week. We need to teach Elon Musk how to fight. Get NASA on it. I have celebrities. They'll charge you $4 billion.

Teach him how to fight. Who you calling, Brian? Elon Musk if you want. I don't give a shit. You don't give a fuck. You bought a Tesla, you get a phone call. Yeah, you get a phone call.

It comes with a car? Yeah, I'm a celebrity. I'm fucking on TV. I saw that Mickey Garcia fight that you were telling me call. Yeah, you get a direct line. It comes with a car. Yeah, I'm a celebrity. I'm fucking on TV. I saw that Mickey Garcia fight that you were telling me about. Mikey or Mickey? Mikey. Mikey Garcia. 34-0 or 36-0?

It was a horrible knockout. How bad? I thought the guy died. It probably took two minutes to get him up. And Garcia, he took a couple years off because of promotional problems, right? So they got problems in MMA and boxing that are real similar in that way. Oh, yeah. Where they get tied up with promoters and shit goes down.

But there's so many promoters in boxing. You got the Goossens. You got Bob Arum. You got, you know, fucking Floyd Mayweather Productions, the Money Team. You got Golden Boy. Gennady Glofton has his own. Gennady Glofton has his own? Yeah.

Canelo has his own. Canelo has his own promotion team? They're starting to, like, branch out. He's worked with Golden Boy, but he does have his own promotion, too. The UFC, if I was the UFC and I just spent $4 billion to buy the UFC and all this shit starts going down, I'd be like, you motherfuckers,

do you know how long it's going to take to make back that $4 billion? With you guys all branching off and starting your own promotions? That's why you sell now. That's why you sell now, too. Sell again? No, why?

They sold. Why didn't the Fertitta's sold? No, Lorenzo. Yeah, those guys are smart as fuck. Yeah, they know what's up. Look, Lorenzo is genius in business. You got the fuck out. As it comes.

Smart dude. Just at the right time. That's why all these guys are, because before when Lorenzo was there, people felt like they know the motherfucking godfather. He was right there. He was the guy. Right there. Whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, I mean, you got Frank right there, people felt like they know the motherfucking Godfather. He was right there. He was the guy. Right there.

Whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, I mean, you got Frank right there, too, but whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, it was just done. It was greenlit. No questions. Greenlit. Boom. And now he, so everyone felt loyal to that. You know, and like, you don't want to fucking leave, you know what I mean?

This is the Godfather, you know what I mean? Now it's like, who owns the UFC? You don't know those guys. You talked to Ari godfather. Now it's like, who owns the UFC? You don't know those guys. You talked to Ari Emanuel. But here's the thing, man. As far as the UFC got up to 2017, nobody anticipated it up until 2005. Even in 2005, nobody saw that coming.

But then the first episode, the first ever Ultimate Fighter airs. And then it becomes this huge superstar event with Stefan Bonner versus Forrest Griffin in the finals. Millions of people tune in. The world explodes. MMA becomes popular. And then here we are. 12 years later, looking at it, nobody saw this.

If they can keep going like that. See, that's the thing. The unanticipated exponential growth. The unanticipated. These guys like Korean Superboy. These guys like Yair Rodriguez. Valentin Shevchenko. All these.

Francis Ngannou. These new superstars. Conor McGregor. These new superstars emerging. This shit could be twice as big five years from now. I like your positive attitude. I'm positive about this. No, I'm saying I love it.

I'm very bullish. No, I know. I'm saying it's great. I hope you're right. Look, no one's more bullish on MMA than me. I think it should be the biggest sport in the world. Yeah. I think it's the one that transcends boundaries.

It transcends cultures. It races. It makes sense. If a guy dunks a basketball in your face, at the end of the day, the only saving grace is, bitch, I will find you outside and I will fuck you up. But if you fuck some guy up and he goes, oh, I can still dunk a basketball on you, nobody gives a shit. It's the end-all, be-all of sports.

Of super aggro, yes. It's almost not even a super aggro, yes. Not even super aggro. It's more impressive than anything. If someone wins some crazy U.S. Open tennis tournament, and that's an amazing thing, if Conor McGregor knocks Floyd Mayweather the fuck out with a piston-like left hand, the world explodes.

Not going to happen. No one gives a fuck about tennis. You're fucking out of line. No, it might not happen, but if it did, the world explodes. Why? True, but anyone can fight, Joe. But why? Anyone can fight.

You're wrong. It's not true. It's a raw sport. Anyone can fight. Anybody can play soccer. It's the raw sport. It's the raw sport. It's not in the NBA. Not in the NBA. Not in the NFL, you can't. It's parody. Not sport. Anyone can fight. Anybody can play golf. It's a general. Put it on the NBA.

Not in the NBA. Not in the NFL you can't. It's purity. Not anybody can fight in the UFC. CM Punk can. It's the Ross Forum. He's a rare exception because of him. I want to know who pissed in Brendan Sharpe's cheese duels this morning.

I'm not moody. These are legit points. So negative. You know how much more impressive it is of LeBron James? No. No. Not having that. Come on.

Not a team. Absolutely not. Come on. It's not more impressive. Oh my god Drawing another man. That's the most impressive shit kung fu up another dude mad. No teams. No teams. Hold. I'm saying that what you did is the most impressive shit. What you did. Not being in a team. Not athletically. It's sick.

The guy threw the ball in the hole. He's amazing. What makes that better? What makes that better? Look, the ball goes in the hole and then it's out. You're being a, what's the word, an insider. Who pissed in your Cheerios, Joe? He hit the ball with the racket.

He's amazing. You know how hard it is to hit a home run? This is so hard. You know how hard it is to hit a home run at 100 miles an hour? Yeah. That's amazing. We just got done looking at this field full of baseball players earlier going, who watches that stupid fucking game?

That's what we're doing. And I don't enjoy watching baseball. Are we doing bike competing with baseball? Hitting a home run is the hardest thing you do in professional sports. You're a contrarian. It's not even close to the hardest thing you do. The hardest thing to do is knock out Jose Aldo with one punch, 13 seconds in, after you talk shit about him for a year. Be a quarterback.

Imagine the odds are higher you're going to do that. Than hitting a baseball? Shut up. Fuck up, Jimmy Burke. Imagine baseball fight companions. Imagine how bad that would be. I think they'd call them baseball companions. Baseball fight companions.

We're going to watch the Dodgers play the Reds. It'd be awesome. Baseball fight companions would be amazing because we'd be drunk and high as fuck. Because they're four hours long. I'm like, today. It would just be like a ceremonial thing. We don't actually watch the game. We just put it on.

We barely watch the fights. I guarantee you there are baseball companions. We guarantee you there are. We just put it on. We barely watch the fights. I guarantee you there are baseball companions. We guarantee you there are. We have seven viewers. What we need to do is a NASCAR fight companion. Oh, my God. We need to watch NASCAR. They're still going left.

They're going left. Or WWE. And we have money on it. We watch NASCAR and bet some serious money. I'm telling you guys, these all exist. They call them second screen experiences, and every sport now is doing them. Every sport. Fight companions?

Really? After they saw us do the fight companions? Yeah, after Joe. Oh, shit. You started a revolution. The NFL has a second screen experience. When did they start doing this? In the last year.

All of them. The NFL has a second screen experience. They call it a second screen experience. There's a whole website for it. Motherfucker. Yeah, they all do them. Hold on, what? There's a whole website called Ramble On or something like that.

Anybody can get on and make their own companion for any event. They should call that Joe Rules. See, Joe? I don't think that rules. I don't think I invented it. I don't. I mean, who else was doing it? If you never saw someone do it, you invented it.

Here's what I did. Here's what I did. I'm the first guy for sure that is the lead commentator for a gigantic organization, like a professional sports organization that also does a thing on the internet where they smoke weed and talk shit watching the same But I got that shit wrapped up. You're the only one. That's on lock.

That's tough to beat. Everybody's like, man, what if they can cuss during comp? Wouldn't that be cool if Joe could just cuss? People have said that for years. And now, boom, you're actually doing it. But here's the crazy thing. These fight companions get way more downloads than any broadcast. And views, yes.

Than any broadcast of what? They get as much downloads as a major Fox card on a major Fox UFC World Championship card. That's how many downloads these things get. In that case, I'll be in. It's 100 million now. We're closing in this month on

we're probably, where are we at right now, Jamie? Before I check before, we're going to get close to 85 million for the month. That's for YouTube. No, that's for iTunes. Just iTunes. And then YouTube is how much? That's 22 million.

Yeah. Do you ask yourself why they're watched so much? No, I just keep smoking weed. Are those 25 companions at a million views? Oh, way more than a million. Oh, really? Way more. Oh, it exploded.

The one when you got super drunk with Cameron Haynes and went all Tower 7, that's when it was like five million. No way. Are you too? What's it at? What happened? I thought it was like 600,000. No.

Well, what is it on iTunes? Why is it over a million? The audio is the last fight recap we did is like it's almost six million downloads. You serious, Eddie? The recap, Eddie. That's after the fight. The recap is six million downloads. Where Cameron Haynes got one word in.

On iTunes. I'm talking about YouTube, though. Well, YouTube is not as much. Eddie That's after the fight The recap 6 million downloads Where Cameron Haynes Got one word in No on iTunes I'm talking about YouTube though Well YouTube is not as much YouTube is only like What percentage How many views per episode 20% maybe 20% of the

I know but how many views Like what is Like the average views Lately for That's what I'm saying Like that's it Like 5 million for audio About way

Up to 1 million For YouTube videos It depends on the show Okay 1 million When you and I are on With Alex Jones Which which will, by the way, be episode 9-11. Dude. I'm working so hard to make it episode 9-11. I'm doing so many goddamn episodes just so I can shove them all in.

Just so I can get to number 9-11 with Alex Jones. That's Wednesday. That's Wednesday, right? Yes. Wednesday, Alex Jones. Boom, boom. How huge is that podcast going to be? Holy shit.

And it's going to be episode 9-11. And I'm going to keep my mouth shut. No, no, no. We're going to have some fun. First of all, we're not doing it sober. So don't even try. It's going to get weird. I'm going to let him.

He's not going to be sober either. I just want to maybe ask a question or two, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut. I'm not going to say anything. I love him. I love Alex Jones. I love him. Does he Alex Jones. I love him. Does he smoke weed? Who knows?

Neither can confirm nor deny. Even if you don't, if you're in this room, you're smoking weed. Yeah, true. Whether you like it or not, you're taking a contact high of epic proportions. I walked in and smelled it right away. Alex Jones is going to... That show might break records. It's going to be interesting. Come on, because Alex Jones is going to... That show might break records. It's going to be interesting.

Come on, because Alex Jones is bigger than Everton. Eddie, what's your big... He's bigger than Everton. Lance Armstrong won? What's one of your questions you want to ask him? Don't give it away. Prepare for it. You've got to sneak it up on him.

You know the weird thing about conspiracy theorists that are making a living off conspiracy theories is there's so many conspiracy theories and a lot of guys are just like into one or two and they're experts on nine or uh experts on jfk and they know everything about this it's so deep and so sophisticated and complicated the whole jfk thing all the theories and all what could have happened and all that it's so deep dudes spend their whole life on that so when they talk to to dudes that are still believing in CNN and they're trying to convert them, trying to wake them up a little bit, what ends up happening is they've invested so much money in JFK

that they can't, they're not even looking at other ways we're getting fucked. So they deny all that other shit. So when other people bring like other crazy conspiracy theories up, they gotta say, that dude's a shill. He's right about the JFK shit because I know, because I studied that, but all this other shit he's talking about, that's gotta be a shill. Is that what it's gonna do to you, Eddie?

No. Eddie knows that Harvey Oswald killed JFK. Are you baiting him? Let me finish what I'm saying real quick. Everybody thinks, not everybody, there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there that are experts in certain conspiracies

that they think Alex Jones is a shill because he's not... What is that, a vacuum? Some crazy vacuum next door. Wow. Anyways, let me finish this real quick. Let me finish this really quick. Let me finish this.

So there's guys out there. Alex Jones is going to be on the goddamn show Wednesday. There's a lot of conspiracy theorists that think he's a shill because they're not talking about the conspiracy theory that they spent all their time on. Alex Jones is like, you know what? There's different levels of conspiracy theory. To go deep on one thing, though, like that,

there's a generalist and a specialist in everything. And a generalist, the specialist can go deeper in their one specialty than any generalist can do. Conspiracy theorists argue with each other more than with skeptics. It's incredible. Like the scene, everybody's pointing fingers. He's a shill, he's a shill. Just because they're not spending time or promoting your, like Alex Jones, he's into

certain conspiracy theories and it's like, you know, he's got his plan, his agenda to wake people up or whatever, whatever he thinks. He's got his plan. And then this guy's had, this is how we do it. This guy, well, how come you're not talking about what they're doing? And how come you're not talking about the Jews? And how come you're not talking about them? So they're fighting. Isn come you're not talking about the jews and how come you're not talking about their agenda isn't that why conspiracy theorists are accusing each other

of being shills all the time because they're not like alex jones has his own agenda i i don't know that happens in every little subculture though yeah like in fighting uh you know certain people okay but you're gonna try to change the subject here to fighting, and I'm not going to let you. I was going to say that's exactly why you start to get news sources that are credible. So what happens is... Don't talk about credible news sources. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You've got yours. Hold on.

You've got your time. Hold on. So like the economist... So like the economist, how many years... Can you look up how many years old the economist is? It's over 100 years old. And so The Economist... You know what's super old? Slavery? Well, hold on.

Circumcision? Now, why does a magazine stay there? Well, because what happens is if they start posting news, people will read it and say that must be true. When it starts not being true, people will stop reading that newspaper or that magazine. Sounds like chill talk. Hold on. This was bullshit.

Hold on. So that's why certain news organizations develop a reputation. 1843. God dang. Now, hold on. There you go. So what happens is you can't fool people that long. Okay?

Yes, you can. You're a fool. After a while, Eddie. After a while, Eddie. How old are you? How old are you? No, no, no. Eddie, you got to let him talk.

Eddie, The Economist is a very credible source. And if it wasn't, they would get found out not only by people like you, but also by other news outlets. They've already been found out. Hold on. Eddie, let him talk and then I've got a question for you about this. So there are credible sources of news which you adhere to.

I know you do. And the question becomes, what is the criteria by which you can trust a news source, a company that promotes news that reports news there has to be a vetting process and what i'm saying is that you develop a reputation after a while because it's pretty easy to find out if you've been lying for 140 years about every news story yeah so what happens is you start to have you have to get your news from somewhere right you have to rely on it somewhere to get your news from somewhere, right?

You have to rely on it somewhere. So what they do is they get people who are investigative journalists. When you have... If you had a news organization, what you'd say is you'd say I want three, four, maybe six different credible sources before I print this. I would imagine you'd be that way, right?

Absolutely, I would. Yeah, so people who corroborate the same story and they have independent lines of either inquiry or investigation, whatever it might be. And that's kind of how, and that's why I invest in reading not just the New York Times, but The Economist,

Two Sides of the Political Spectrum, NPR. And when I hear three publications like that, one that's independent, one gets it relies on like public sourcing not not not private sourcing after a while they're all reporting the same news story there's got to be some truth to it the CIA has infiltrated all mainstream media you are being punked okay but, but hold on a second. He's a shill. What? Here's a question. Here's a question. I'm not saying you're a shill.

Stop, Brendan. Stop. What do you know about The Economist? I know that if it's mainstream media, it's, if there, anything for me, the mainstream media is controlled by the government. Okay, but you understand this is- So anything that the mainstream media all agrees on

and anything that they're pushing, I am automatically seriously skeptical about it because our government has lied to us for millennia. So I'm not trusting anything they say. If they're all saying it, I'm not trusting it. I understand what you're saying, but you really don't have any information to go on based on the...

When you talk about this particular magazine, you don't know anything about it, right? I'm not an expert in The Economist, but I'm pretty sure... But it's been around a long time, right? I'll guess... I'm pretty sure it's owned by some kind of Roth... I understand. What you have to understand is... I'm just guessing.

That's the way it goes. It wouldn't matter at all. Having a prejudiced, dismissive attitude without having actually examined it is part of the whole problem we have with information in the first place. You might be right, but you haven't examined it and you're already throwing it away before ever looking into it at all. But it's a giant issue because there's people that are worth billions and billions of dollars. They're getting their financial information from somewhere. Where is it coming from? Are they sharing it with each other and then eating babies and fucking each other?

Like what are they doing? Or are they getting it from a long-standing credible source that all these different super rich people rely upon and that's why it's credible. And powerful people. You can believe that. No, but Eddie, you don't know if it's untrue, but you're prejudging it. And that's not healthy either. That's one of the reasons why a lot of these conspiracy theories fall apart is because there hasn't been any forethought into concocting them.

Let me explain this. They just immediately step in and say, if it's mainstream, it's got to be this. When you have, let's just say, a criminal who's been in jail, who's been in jail for credit card fraud. He's just a shit bag dude. He's one person? Yeah, just one dude. One dude. Just a shit bag criminal, credit card fraud, robbery.

We got it. Go ahead. Are you going to believe anything this guy says? No, but he's not a person. A government is a much larger thing. That's the way I look at the government. They've lied so much. Okay, but the economist, a person. A government is a much larger thing. That's the way I look at the government. They've lied so much. Okay, but the economist, you know, is not really connected to the government.

I'm just assuming. I already said that I'm not an expert in the economist, but I'm assuming. I understand, but that assumption is negative. It's not smart to assume. You might be right. It is smart not to trust criminals. It's smart not to trust criminals. But you're not talking about criminals.

You're talking about a long-standing magazine that's dedicated to explaining the economy in very pragmatic terms. The mainstream media is criminal. Once you've made that decision, though, there's nothing that could be said to you. There's no turning back. Once you're a criminal, is there something that this criminal that has a long history of credit fraud and robbery, is there anything that dude can tell you? It's a fellow. It's not a valid comparison at all.

Obama's piece in The Economist gets everything wrong. Look at this. But this is one of the reasons why things get criticized. But this is Obama. It's the internet. Hold on. Let me put that in context, please. Can I put that in context?

Yeah, please. So Steve Forbes is a Republican in a very, very right way. Of course. So all he's doing is he is rebutting Obama's point of view. Right. Now let's point out that Obama is not an economist. Obama probably got an honorary

position as a journalist to post this thing. No, no, no. That's not how it works. So the economist is not about, it's not economists that write it. The economist is a... Did he write a piece? Yes, he wrote a piece. And what they'll have is they'll have an op-ed piece. Okay. That's what I should have said.

Yeah. So when you can write something, if you're Obama, the economists will allow you to be sort of the featured opinion. What's the date on this? Op-ed. That's why they call it an op-ed. This was November 2016. So it's an opinion editorial, right?

Is that right? Right. Op-ed. It's an op-ed. So it's criticized by people who disagree with this policy. So the New York Times in the back of the newspaper every day is an op-ed page, which is different, various journalists, some right-wing, most left-wing, who give their point of view on the world.

And not so much like, because a lot of like Nicholas Kristof, who's in there working with women in Kenyan schools and stuff, or forced prostitution. This is an investigative journalist. He's not making any money by the way but he's in there and what he'll do is write an op-ed piece that will bring your awareness to the fact that for example in cambodia there's a lot of sex for sale and it's really horrible etc etc so you know it's worth giving the new york times it's worth giving the economist it's worth giving NPR a fair shake, you might learn something.

Because to say that it's all lies, Eddie, is a little extreme. And also, they wouldn't be in business if you... Because people don't like to be fooled, and I don't think you could fool people all the time. You're fooled. You're fooled. Okay. What did Abraham Lincoln say? That's the way I see it.

I'm sorry. I mean, you've been had by the CIA Operation Mockingbird. You've been had. But wait a minute, Eddie. You know what? I don't blame you. I don't blame you. You're brought up with the TV and the commercials.

What if you've been indoctrinated? What if you've been indoctrinated by the ideas that you're exposed to? Because when I watch you two guys, you're identical. What? Yeah. You've both been indoctrinated with ideas both that are separate both that are probably wrong because most of the information we get is not based in truth your own point not most not a lot of it I didn't give you an idea what I just said was how I get my news which is from several different sources I'm with

you who are who are one who doesn't one. One is not run by a profit motive, like NPR, National Public Radio, that relies on contributions from its listeners like me. So, okay. And then you've got the New York Times, left wing, I disagree with a lot of it all the time. Then you've got The Economist. Then you've got Time Magazine.

All competing, by the way. I'm with you. All competing for the story. So to say that I am, I have the same. I'm sorry. Your fundamental beliefs are based on what you've learned and been exposed to. Well, hold on. And I will dilate on that because what I'm exposed to varies.

I try to be as well-rounded as I can. And if that is being closed-minded, I would like to hear what would be considered open-minded. No, I just mean all of your beliefs, many of which, much more of yours that I believe with than Eddie's. And no offense, Eddie, I love you. Are based on everything you've learned in your life. All the things you've been exposed to. And my emotions. Built you a belief system.

Plus astrology. Yeah, plus astrology. Built you a belief system, just as Eddie's has. Eddie's everything he's been exposed to, everything that he's learned, all the information, not just the information you're talking about, but how you learn information, how you gather ideas, all of those have built

you guys your own belief systems. And when you look at each other, you're just shocked that the other one can't see it. You're shocked that the other one can't see your belief system. But he's just like you. He has one of his own that are structured and built upon every experience he's had in his whole life. And he's sure that everything he's saying is right, just as you both are. Sure, that's a good psychological profile.

And neither of you can see that this other guy just can't understand because I know the truth and he doesn't. Isn't it great? That's how I feel. Yeah, and that's how he feels. No, you're right. And that's how he feels. And that's what's going on in North America and all over the world't it great? That's how I feel. Yeah, and that's how he feels. No, you're right. And that's how he feels. And that's what's going on in North America and all over the world. Well, it's not how I feel.

I don't think that's fair to compare. See, I don't think so. What I think is, what I see with Eddie is that he has, so we all want to believe that we're responsive to evidence. Eddie does, I do. We want to believe that we're scientific in that we have our mind changed based on the evidence. But he can't change your mind and you can't change his mind. But that's not true. That's not a characterization

to me at all. I change my mind all the time based on the evidence. Now, I sent Eddie several sort of what could be considered conspiracy, but they were reported by mainstream. Some of the stuff was, and you remember that?

Yeah, what was the one that we were talking about recently? I can't remember what time it was. We were all in a joint text message. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. It was something else. Yeah. It was a real one.

It was fascinating. It was Glenn Greenwald's article in The Guardian about the government turding on Donald Trump. Yes. Unsubstantiated reports about golden showers. Political operatives hiring ex-intelligence officers to discredit a candidate. And this is

happening. And the biggest fear is, what do we believe at this point? All the fake news. And we have to be very very vigilant about and so when I formulate an opinion, one of the great things about doing a podcast is I'm found out all the time to be wrong. Yeah. I love it. You're welcome.

I love the point of view. And I'll be like, I'll say something and people will be like, hey, by the way, bullshit, because here's this. And I go, geez, that's embarrassing. I was wrong on that one. It's great to be wrong. Of course it is. Because you get new information. Of course it is.

So we have to all be willing to say that, first of all, I don't think all the people in mainstream media are criminal, but you do. I don't see any evidence for that. I do see that sometimes mainstream media is discredited. I do see sometimes that they make mistakes. I do see sometimes like Rolling Stone articles gets it really wrong. And there are examples, of course, of mainstream media where they get it wrong. Sometimes they get it wrong very badly. But I have to believe. They get it right. And a lot of where they get it wrong sometimes they get it wrong very badly but i have to believe they get it right and a lot of times they get it right because i mean just take a couple of things like if they're reporting on the war in syria and how many children are

killed and you see that you see pictures of them and you see it on you see video of children crying in a hospital do you believe faces of death Eddie, it's just not the same. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie. That shit was real. Eddie, you've got to stop doing that because you're trying to discredit what his ideas are by making jokes about it or mocking it. I'm not making a joke at all.

That was a real, legit question. But no, you're mocking. You're mocking. And you were mocking earlier saying you believe it. He's talking about himself. You're indoctrinated. You were telling him that he's brainwashed. You were telling him that. You'rewashed. You were telling him that.

You're mocking it. Instead of just having an open conversation about the possibilities. My point, although I'm probably 75% think like Brian, we all are just thinking all of the information that we've ever been exposed to. And we've built a belief system based on. Everybody has. And when our belief systems don't mix, we have a problem. And that's the problem that you see. I don't think Eddie's not now. I think Eddie actually believes it wholeheartedly. Yeah You're mocking his thoughts by saying you're brainwashed you're brainwashed

But I didn't say your brain what you've you've said it many times What do you what is your expression then because that's what I'm doing is paraphrasing. Okay. What am I saying? It worked on you. Yeah, exactly. You're saying he's brainwashed. That's not a rational debate of the actual reality of the situation. And you really don't know anything about the economist. It sounds a little harsher than it worked on you. By the way, it worked on you.

What do you mean it worked on you? You're saying he's brainwashed. He said it in a kind way, though. Yeah, but I'm saying it in a... I'm responding to what he's just saying. But you're mocking him by saying that. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

I apologize. But it's not the way we figure things out. It's just not. Because it's like all of a sudden you pick teams, everybody tries to win. Look, I did a good chunk of my life. It's just not the way to communicate. It's a constant way that people do it because nobody ever wants to be wrong and when you when you get into debates it becomes a Game as much as it becomes a conversation

I'm saying that's really bad for everybody and that it's really just like if you if you're still in it if you know your side Is losing and you know you don't have any facts on your side, and you're still in it You're fucking it up for everybody else, but if you make sense if you make sense Then you don't need all that you know it worked on you. You're yeah, you're fucking it up for everybody else. But if you make sense, then you don't need all that. It worked on you. You're fucking brainwashed. You don't need all that if your facts are in line and if you've done exhaustive research on the subject.

But when you just blanket throw all mainstream media's CIA, Operation Mockingbird, 9-11 was an inside job, chemtrails, gotta go, peace out. What if he didn't use that, though? Also, we're trying to solve job. Chemtrails, gotta go. Peace out. What if he believes that, though? What if he actually believes that? Also, we're trying to solve problems.

You, me. All of us. And so one of the problems, like, for example, healthcare, universal healthcare, gun control, these things, it's very, when you get into it, it's really difficult to come, and we were talking, Joe and I were talking about this, you can't know everything. What do you mean, gun control? Look at this right here. Here's some conspiracy shit that's real.

Another Glenn Greenwald poll. Washington Post is richly rewarded for false news about Russia threat while public is deceived. Look at this right here. Here's some conspiracy shit that's real. Another Glenn Greenwald poll. Washington Post is richly rewarded for false news about Russia threat while public is deceived. Wow. And Glenn Greenwald, who exposed WikiLeaks, of course, he's the guy who was the reason why. It's pretty legit. Yeah. But now hold on. He works for the Washington Post, right?

Now he is an investigative journalist. These are the kind of guys I love. No, he doesn't work for the Washington Post. Well, he's an investigative journalist, so I love. No, he doesn't work for the Washington Post. Well, he's an investigative journalist, so he investigates. But he doesn't work for the Washington Post. He's supported by somebody. Not the Washington Post. Who is he?

Who? No, he's the Guardian. He works for the Guardian. The Guardian is essentially a British left-wing mainstream news source, but this is a classic example. Now, Eddie, he just exposed what would be considered a conspiracy. And he's the same guy, by the way, who did the thing about Donald Trump. Exactly. I don't know anything about this.

But I'm saying this is a very good example. This is an investigative journalist. But I do believe that, though. But he's on a payroll of The Guardian. Some guys are jumping ship and doing the right thing. He's the reason why Edward Snowden got all that information out. That guy, Glenn Greenwald.

But remember, he works for a mainstream... Not everybody is psychotic. Not everybody is down with the program. Some people are like, they're coming forward. There's whistleblowers. But Obama... But he's not a whistleblower.

He's a legit journalist. He gets paid by the Guardian some guys are legit but I never said I'm suspect of all I understand I know he's kind of stuff I believe but he's mainstream this guy's mainstream some mainstream you all mainstream stuff for me I'm skeptical but some days some I didn't say everything was false. Some guys are growing a conscience. I don't think there's anything wrong with Eddie being skeptical.

No. It's not about being skeptical. Journalism is based on being skeptical. Michael Shermer is a skeptic. Being a skeptic means I need, you told me something, now I need proof. Five sources? Was it three or five sources? I believe the New York Times works on six or between three and six.

But the bottom line is you should always be a skeptic as are credible news sources because they say, what was the news? What was the story? What are you saying? Okay, I need sources. I, as the editorial, as the editor-in-chief or whoever it is who okays these things, I have got to see tangible, measurable proof. Which is why the Rolling Stones story about the UVA case was such a big deal. Because they printed this story. It was a made-up story about rape, about a gang rape that never took place.

No sexual assault history. It was not real. It was all fake. And they printed it. And they printed it because they didn't want to ask the hard questions because it dealt with something that was a taboo subject. Sexual assault. And they're like, that is a catastrophic failure of journalism.

These checks and balances are in place to make sure that we know the fucking truth when it gets printed in such a prestigious magazine as the Rolling Stones. And they got dealt with. They got sued. Right now, it's still going on. They get found out. Look at Brian Williams. They get found out. They get found out right now. It's still going on. They get found out. Look at Brian Williams.

They get found out. They get found out by their own organizations. They get found out. Now, are scientists and professors, is there a history of them being bought and paid for? Some of them. Yeah, some of them. Some of them. In some cases.

But hold on a second. Let me finish with my point. Let me qualify that. There have been tens of millions of scientists over the course of human history. There have been a small handful that have been corrupt. And those small handful that have been corrupt that we have found out about, the results have been catastrophic. What they have done has been horrific. What they did with the sugar industry, what they did with tobacco, what they did with

there's a lot of fucking environmental catastrophes that were downplayed by scientists. There have been some bought and paid scientists, 100%. But that's just like there's certain people that are going to be corrupt. The vast majority apply to the rules of science. Dedicate their life to it. Okay, so do you think that it's possible that journalists are bought and paid for, some of them? There's absolutely proof of that. 100%. That's why

you gotta be skeptical. Like, I don't know which one you are. I don't know which you could be bought. But Eddie... I'm looking at it in a smart way. Not in some paranoid hiding in a fucking corner. I'm like, you guys are full of shit. I love you, but when you're talking about something

like The Economist that you don't have any information about at all, and you blanketly dismiss them, that is where it all starts from. I said, I don't know anything about The Economist, but it's mainstream media, and if they're spewing the same thing everyone else is spewing,

like CNN and CNBC, if they are, that's, listen, that's just the way I am, dude. That's just the way I am. But they compete with each other. I'm not saying you should be that way. I'm just saying, hey, listen, you know, I try to help people. I say, listen, you're being fucking honeydicked.

You're being punked. Wake up. I try to do that, but I'm not going to go crazy with it after a while. The economist is owned by the Rothschilds. That doesn't shock me. That doesn't shock me. I mean, does that shock you? It's a public company. Is Cadbury shock me. That doesn't shock me. I mean, does that shock you?

It's a public company. Is Cadbury the candy people? They make great candy. Ooh. It's not a public company. It's owned by Rothschild. It's owned by a lot of people. A lot of different people. It's a public company.

I mean, is anybody shocked? So that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, when it's coming, when scientists and professors have been bought

and paid for, like big ones, like Ivy League schools, like the Yale scientist says this, Harvard professor says this, to push some agenda. Or a food. Then it seems like, yeah, it could happen. Yeah. And then there's, you know, and then Operation Mockingbird, you can't ignore that. You don't think that's the exception, Eddie?

But never when it went, I'm saying. You know about it. Yeah, through mainstream media. I'm just saying, I don't know who's who. That's a good point. I don't know who's who. That's a good point. I don't know who's who. And I know one.

This is for me. This is just me. For me, I'm 100% convinced the moon landings were faked. You don't have to believe that. What about flat earth? I love him so much. I gotta go home. I love Eddie. What about flat earth, Eddie?

There's no proof that the earth is flat. But when you look into- Don't you butt. No, no, no? There's no proof that the Earth is flat. But when you look into- Don't you butt. No, no, no. Don't you butt that. God damn it. There's a 24-hour mass of feet from the fucking space station. Hey, listen.

There's no proof that the Earth is flat. But why are all the pictures of Earth from space CGI admitted by NASA? It's the way our satellites- Ladies and gentlemen. Listen. I'm going to leave you with one question. Leave it. Can I leave you with with one question Leave me with one question About flat earth

There's a weird thing I'm just going to ask a question Nobody here has had their arms around them Do you know why It's a perspective issue Do you know that's why they piece together The pictures of the earth Because it's a perspective issue

The earth is fucking gigantic Do you know that That's why they piece together The pictures of the earth Because it's a perspective issue Maybe The earth is fucking gigantic That's what they tell you And when you're in a space station You're not far enough away To get the full earth Maybe There's no pictures of space

That's the bottom line When you shoot missiles When you shoot missiles You have to take A cap and cursor there You know this We would watch Every space documentary

We fucking had all the series The universe Part 1 to 12 We were so into it I was so into it. I would watch these star documentaries all day, just get high. But what's the question? Every now and then I'd watch it and I'd think, it is weird that we're watching 100% CGI.

Like everything we're watching, there's no actual footage. But that's because they don't have the capability to film hypernovas. I don't know the name of the scientist. I don't know the name of the astronomer or the astrophysicist, but somebody figured this out. They got something out there taking radiation pictures. Where's the question?

No, no. Here's what I'm saying. Where's the question? I need a question. Get the fuck out of here. Real quick, real quick. You know when you look at the stars every night?

Oh my God. The Orion Belt? Yes, yes, yes. Why can't I just talk? I've never flown to Russia. This is a stoner talk, dude. That's all. This is definitely not a stoner talk.

This is a question. This is a question. I'm into it, Eddie. This is a question. Every night we look up at the stars and we see the Orion belt and we see the North Star. You see that shit, right? We're going to do it tonight, you and me, holding hands. Every night.

Isn't that weird? Okay, let's say this is the sun right here. Let's say that's the sun. And this is Earth. And this is Earth. Look. Man, I don't know why this is pissing people off, but this is the sun and this is the Earth. Because all this stuff has been figured out, Eddie.

There's astrophysicists that worked their whole life on this. I just want to ask you a question. I just want to ask you a question. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Make fun of me with this. Please. Make fun of me.

Here's the sun. Here's the sun. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. This is, make fun of me with this. Please, make fun of me. No, it's here. We're trying to end this. Here's the sun. Here's the earth, and it takes a year to go around. We spin around there. That's mainstream. And then we got Mercury and Venus here, right? And then Mars and Saturn out here.

They're all going around. It's a galaxy. And the solar system, according to mainstream, is like a plane. They're all spinning around. Three dimensions. And then the sun's going around. The goddamn, the earth is spinning 1,000 miles. And then the sun's going around the goddamn the earth is spinning a thousand miles an hour and it's going around

the sun like 60,000 miles an hour and then the sun's going around the fucking black hole like 900,000 miles an hour something like that. A lot of miles an hour.

So there's all this shit going on. So it takes a year for the sun for the earth to go around. Yeah, it's huge. It takes a year. So right here's January

and then right here's June right yeah So when the Sun is facing when we're facing the Sun it's daylight, and then when we spin this way It's nighttime so when it's nighttime the Sun's over here, and we're looking at this side of the space We're looking at this side of space right there? There's Orion Belt, the North Star. Every fucking night, it's there. By the time we get to June, when we're looking at this side of the universe, what the fuck is on the other side of the universe? Well, why don't you read some books and get into it, man? No, no, no, no. Don't hold us here hostage asking these crazy questions.

Listen, do you guys understand what I'm saying? No, I don't. Why after? But it's in a different place in the sky. You guys are like, hey, somebody figured it out. I don't know what it is, but somebody figured it out. It's just a question. Well, Eddie, I don't know the answer.

That's the problem. It's science. That's the question. Someone does. What is on the other side? And when, in six months, when Earth gets over here, why is it still the same? Well, it's in different areas of the sky all the time. But do you understand that it's not?

There's a procession of the equinoxes. There's a cycle, and this cycle of thousands of years, they've mapped out. They know exactly there's a wobble to the earth. There's a changing in the sky that we look at. And it's one of the ways that they could determine when you go back in history and look at certain things that they had lined up to certain constellations like in Egypt. It's one of the ways they lined it up. They lined it up because they understand that we're looking at a different area of the sky

every night, slightly different, and it changes over the course of thousands of years. Why do we see the little dipper every night? We should see it. Every night should be different. Every night should be completely random. When you fly a plane, when you shoot a missile, when you shoot a bullet even, I think snipers have to take into account the curves too. No, no, I'm talking about flatter.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the stars. Let's wrap this up. I'm talking about the stars. Let's wrap this up. I'm talking about the stars. I've got to get out of here. I've really got to get out of here. I can't do this. I want to see if it was flat, though.

It's definitely not flat. I don't know if it's flatter or not. Good night, everybody. See you. Thanks, Joe. Thanks, Joe. This was super fun. Thank you.