The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - June 28, 2014 (Part 1)

Episode Date: June 29, 2014

Jimmy Smith and Ian "Uncle Creepy" McCall join Joe to watch the fight on the evening of June 28, 2014.

Hey, everybody. If you're tuning into this and you're expecting a regular podcast, this is definitely not a regular podcast. This is a podcast where we sit down and watch the UFC fights and just sort of talk shit while the fights are going on. Don't even expect commentary. Don't expect that either. Don't expect anything.

And hopefully you won't have your expectations shattered. But with me here is Uncle Creepy, Ian McCall, one of the top flyweights on the planet Earth. And my brother Jimmy Smith, one of the best analysts slash MMA commentators slash Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt slash commentator for Bellator until they changed the name Bellator. And it should be like Spike TV MMA. And what we're going to do is we're just going to talk while the fights are going on. There's a UFC fight night that's happening right now live from San Antonio. And we'll let you know. It's hard to sync up because there's a little bit of a delay between the internet and what's on television.

I think it's like a 15-second delay. So what we'll do is, we'll just give you, like, fight starts now with us, and so you'll know when to sync up with the very first fight. So until then, it'll be kind of a cluster fuck. But the card is pretty fucking dope. I'm very excited about Cub Swanson

and Jeremy Stevens. That's a good fucking fight. I'm not. You're not excited about that? He's been dogging this since we got in here. I'm friends with both of them, and someone's getting their ass kicked tonight, and I'm like, fuck. I'm friends with both of them, too. I like both guys tremendously. I like them as fighters. I like them as people, but

damn, I want to see them fight. It's going to be exciting. It'll be good. No doubt about it. Impossible to not be, right? There's no way. And also, Calvin Gaslam, who missed weight again. He's fighting Nico Mussochi. Mussochi?

How do you say it? Mussochi. Whatever you say it. The dude's badass. I've seen him fight. He's excellent. Very, very good fighter. He fights out of Sweden.

He's one of those dudes that trains with Gustafsson, I believe. And he's very talented. He's very talented and very complete all-around game. So that's the co-main event. And a lot of good fights on the undercard as well. It's live right now from San Antonio, Texas. Who else is on the card here? Let me see.

Diaz versus Lamas. Yes, that's right. Ricardo Lamas is on the card here? Let me see. Diaz versus Lamas. Yes, that's right. Ricardo Lamas is on this card, right? Yes. He's fighting Hakuran Diaz. He fought in M1. I covered a few of his fights. Did you?

Yeah, he's novin' on great jiu-jitsu. He's got nine submissions in his career. But he's exactly the kind of guy you want if you're Ricardo Lamas' camp. Because he's dangerous. He's not that well-rounded. There's not a lot of X factor to his game. You want Llamas, you know, mentally ready to get back in there. I thought he had a good fight for the title,

but you want your guy back on the horse pretty quick. And Diaz is the right guy for that. Yeah, what did you think of that fight with Llamas and Aldo? I think Aldo's just on another level. Yeah, Aldo's just, for the first two rounds, he's the baddest motherfucker on earth. For the first two rounds. Do you think it's lazy or do you think you just can't keep that weight cut?

That weight cut's brutal. The dude walks around in 170. Like, I saw him in Brazil and Andy Plessy just looks like a predator walking. It's so frightening. I was like, that guy's fucking scary. What's strange about the Llamas fight, if you look at it, is that that was a fight where he paced himself pretty well. Like, you know, he didn't look like he was expending a ton of energy

in the first two rounds like he usually does, and yet he still didn't have gas in the fifth round. So I think it is the weight cut where it's just he only has so many minutes. The clock starts no matter what he does because he didn't do a lot of wild stuff in the beginning, and he still ran out of gas in the fifth round. Do you remember when he fought in Toronto and they had that enormous car and they had all the fighters

up on the deck and everybody sat. He was the one who fought Hominic. He was going to pass out. He was so sick. He was so tired. He was so sick that he couldn't just sit there. He couldn't sit there. They had to take him off the DS and they had to bring him downstairs. And this was before he weighed in. You know, I mean, it's ridiculous to ask

a fighter before they weigh in and put a fucking suit on and strap your belt on and pretend that everything's fine when, meanwhile, you're on death's door. You know, how much do you cut when you cut weight? I was 140 after practice this morning. And Ian fights at 125 pounds, one of the top 125 pounders on the planet, so he knows what the fuck he's talking about. So 140 for you, and when you get down, like, the week of the fight,

what do you try to weigh? I try to walk around under 140. Like, 139 is okay with you? I'd rather be 135, but that's probably not going to happen. I mean, the lighter I get, the better I fight, it seems. Do you drink a shitload of water the week of to get your body used to just pumping it out of your system? Yeah, I have a hybrid with distilled. I mean, it took us a few days to find distilled water in Brazil, but we did it.

Yeah, you have to find distilled water, right? Yeah. Why is that? No minerals in it? The minerals retain water? It strips your body of all the salts and stuff and minerals. But most people don't do this. You have to replenish your body with those minerals.

Right. Like if you get a company called Trace Minerals that makes Trace Minerals. Mm-hmm. I put them in my water before I go to bed every night. Every night while you train? Yeah. That's a huge thing just for your health. People don't understand.

My girlfriend, she just learned out the hard way. She learned out the hard way? She learned the hard way. She works out so hard, does yoga, hot yoga, like every day, twice a day. She's kind of crazy. I know she's listening. I love you. Crazy in a good way.

She's a very nice lady. Go on, let out there. Yeah. We've met her. She's cool crazy. But, uh, she, I bought, I bought her the drops cause I know what she's doing. I mean, I give her all kinds of supplements. She does take her vitamins, but she just, uh, is, is, you know, hardheaded and doesn't

listen to me. But now she, she figured out she needs to take that stuff. Well, what made her figure it out? You said. She got sick. Oh, she just is hard-headed and doesn't listen to me. But now she figured out she needs to take that stuff. Well, what made her figure it out? She got sick. Oh. She just wasn't feeling good during a practice. And you think it's because of minerals? Yeah, well, she sweats out that much and doesn't ever drink,

doesn't ever try and retain them. Well, that's the thing that they were saying. They had a thing. Okay, first fight is going to go on right now. It's Joe Ellenberger versus James Muntasri. Shit, we probably should have listened to how it said. Muntasri? Let's go with Muntasri, right?

I've never seen this gentleman fight in the UFC before. It must be one of his first fights. He hasn't. He's been fighting really since 2011. I think he's had his first in 2008 or something, but really since 2011 he's been fighting. So he hasn't been on the scene that long. Fairly newbie.

And Ellenberger is the brother of Jake Ellenberger, who is a top UFC welterweight, and Joe Ellenberger has had some serious health issues. So for him, just to get into the UFC, it was like a lot of people were saying that he was going to die, he was going to die. He was going to have a very short lifespan. He would never be able to fight competitively again.

So to see him get in good enough shape to fight in the UFC is a huge victory for him. They said he wouldn't live past like 30 or 35 or something. Something crazy like that, yeah. I remember seeing a walkout shirt, if I'm not mistaken. I thought he was like on death's door at the time or something. I forget what it was. Yeah, it wasn't good. At one point in time, it was not mistaken. I thought he was on death's door at the time. Or something. I forget what it was. Yeah, it wasn't good. At one point in time, it was not good. So whatever his disease is, he's out.

The medication costs $440,000 a year. Jesus. And insurance isn't going to cover him. And he's on that right now? I don't know. I know that that was the first problem. Oh, my God. Fucking pharmaceutical companies.

Yeah, they're saying, well, you're going to die soon, but the medication that'll save you is $440,000. Yeah, let's jack up some sound here, Jamie, so we can see what's going on here. It's just nice to see him realize his dream, you know?

That's got to be a brutal thing to see your health slip away. Oh, we just got tagged. Yeah, to be a young athlete that's just about to get on the big stage. He just got signed, what, five years ago? Yeah, it was quite a while ago. This is his first fight. What do you guys think about that position that keeps coming up over and over again now?

I call it the Travis Brown. When dudes are going for that single, and they're clinging on to that leg, and they leave that exposed head, and they just get blasted with elbows. That short turn elbow, man. Woo, Travis Brown throws some heat in those elbows. He's a big, scary person. Woo! And he knows exactly where to put it. Exactly where to put it.

And he fucking hammers them repeated. They're coming down fast and hard. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. By the time the referee gets there, I mean, the referee, especially if it's a fat referee, he's got to take three or four steps. Travis Brown's getting in at least two elbows on an unconscious opponent. He put Josh out just instantly. No one's ever done that to Josh.

Pedro Hizzo knocked him out before, but it was with one perfectly oh beautiful flying knee attempt there ellenberger's got a guillotine no weird an ellenberger that's tough yeah that knows how to wrestle oh look at this working on that darts trying to get that hand his body weight on it though nope yeah he's out the struggle now if you're fighting a guy who's a late replacement like Muntasri, this is how you want to fight. Wear him out. Mm-hmm. Because if you're fighting a guy who's a late replacement,

you have two options. If you're Muntasri, either come in and throw everything you got in the first round or try and conserve your energy. And Joe's not letting him do either one of those. What was the original opponent? Do you know? I don't remember. I don't remember either.

But Muntasri, would he take this on two weeks notice or something? Something short. What do you guys think about that, touching the hand on the ground to prevent the knees? That seems super silly to me. You can't do it when a strike is headed for you. Right. So guys do it really early. It's just, you know, it's always going to be a tactic.

You can't really get around it. Well, unless they change the – Oh, got him. He got hit hard. He got hit hard. His eyes aren't open. He's really hurt. Yeah, he's hurt hard.

His eyes hurt. His nose is busted. I think it's his nose because he can't open his eyes. Moontasri's getting after him. Damn. Watch the back of the head. Moutasri's getting after him. Damn.

Watch the back of the head. Ooh. He winced his eye. Whatever it was that happened, it was pretty fucking serious. It looked like it popped his nose, I think. Well, we'll probably get a shot at it in between rounds. But Moutasri is punching, and he's just covering up here, holding on. Lost a single. And he goes to his

back. He looks like he's alright. You see blood? I think it's from the nose, yeah. Let's see Ellenberger's guard. Oh, exposed nose too. Yeah, it is his nose. His nose is bad. Your vision completely goes when that happens.

Completely. Staying aggressive, but... This is where it's super important to have a guard. Yeah. There's so many guys that just don't ever think they're going to be on their back. No. Come on, guys. So few do. Like when you see somebody off their back and you're like, wow.

Like you don't know what you're doing. You have no idea what you're doing. You're completely lost. I've talked to guys who are top-level guys, and they're like, wow. Like, you don't know what you're doing. I have no idea what you're doing. You're completely lost. I've talked to guys who are top-level guys. And they're like, man, I'm not going to be on my back. I'm like, okay, well, you hope you're not going to be on your back. And I hope for you you're not going to be on your back. But if you're fighting somebody like you, don't you think you could probably put you on your back?

Yeah, well, there's yous out there, dude. I'm not the only one. Yeah, it's like the idea, acting like you're the only guy that can do a certain thing, that's crazy. Like, thinking you're the only guy that can take you down. You take guys down, so you're going to be on top always? That seems unlikely. There's no weapon in MMA you don't need. Absolutely.

And when I, it's funny, when you talk to guys and you're in the gym and they go, I don't want to know that. And I went, it's like going into war and going, I don't want to i don't want to know that and i went it's like going into war and going i don't need grenades i'll never i'll never be in the situation where i need a grenade bro i'm a bayonet bro bro i'm a bayonet fighter i don't need to get up close i want to look them in the eyes when i get their life i'm a sniper i don't need a grenade well you're gonna be in that position where you go god i just wish i had a grenade right now exactly especially mentality man yep allen burgers yeah his nose is fucked. Oh, Mutasi's mountain.

Good hip escape. 30 seconds to go. You know, that's the other thing a lot of guys don't have. They have shitty sweeps in half guard. Yeah. Like his go-to deep half here, he's just sort of lingering around in his half guard. You know, you should be sucking up to that guy's body, but I think Allen Berger's hurt here.

I think he's still trying to recover. Half guard is one of those things you see all the time in high level jiu-jitsu. They have outstanding half guards. You almost never see a good half guard in MMA. So true. Guards and half guard. Just anything off your back. Is it punches and elbows? I mean, it's got to be what it is. Guys don't want to get punched in elbows.

They just want to hold? Yeah. I want to submit somebody. I mean, it's an option. It's an option. You know, it's like Daniel Cormier was saying, we were talking before this thing started, that Cormier and Dominic Cruz are fucking killing it as analysts. I love listening to those guys talk and their insight. But one of the things that they were talking about,

the main event, Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stephens, was that Jeremy Stephens has got to be a little bit more unpredictable. He's got to throw a few more variables into the mix, like takedown attempts and things along those lines. And I've always said that. That's like even if you don't want to take a guy down, if you make a guy think that you're trying to take him down, then he has to think about that, and that's one more piece of information he has to process. If you're only making a guy process stand-up, it's infinitely easier. It's so much easier. It's the

main reason why George St. Pierre was so successful. Beside the fact that he's a bad motherfucker, he was one of the very best. You didn't know what was going on. You didn't know if he was going to try to take you down or if he was going to stand up with you. And the comfort level that he had because he had fought so many championship fights. He'd been there, done

that many times. You'd see guys, they'd be in the bright lights, holy shit, I'm fighting GSP, and they just didn't know it was coming. And those two factors together combined for an incredible... Oh, look at this. They're checking... And look at his right eye. Allenberger's eyes. Look at his right eye. Justin Bieber's in the cage with him. Holy shit.

I think they're worried about a fracture. A lot of times when the eye drops like that, that's what they're worried about, but it looks like they're letting him go. Yeah, it could be a fracture. A lot of times when the eye drops like that, that's what they're worried about. But it looks like they're letting them go. Yeah, it could be a fracture. A lot of times it's a fracture, the eye swells up. Yeah, and the lid drops and they can't really move the eye. That's what it seems like.

Wow, look at that. That's what it looks like. That's crazy. Yo, I've never seen a closed eye like that. It looks weird. It looks like sloth, man. You know what it looks like? It looks like the nerves in his eye just stopped working.

Like it's not swollen up. It's just shutting. Well, he was wincing for a reason. Yeah. He's probably fucked on that side. He probably can't see left hooks at all, though. Yeah. It's funny, you know.

Oh, shit. You know, a guy who's going through a situation like Ellenberger is, you can't help but root for him. Yeah. But Mutasri, he's doing a great fucking job in this fight. Especially on short notice. Looks very good. What's funny to me about, like we were saying about

not having complete games is that's something that happens in all combat sports, and yet people don't think it applies to MMA. In boxing, they always say if you can't sell the jab, I'm not going to buy your right hand. If you don't sell me on the first one, you're not going to get the combination. And people don't think it applies to MMA. In boxing, they always say, if you can't sell the jab, I'm not going to buy your right hand. If you don't sell me on the first one, you're not going to get the combination. And people don't think that way in MMA, which is a little strange. Yeah, and right here, Ellenberger's got Moutasori's back.

Very nice. And he has a leg in on the cage side, which is the hard side to get in. So fucking hard to get a rear naked choke with these goddamn gloves. Yeah. For folks who just do jiu-jitsu, do yourself a favor one day and do some, ooh, I like how he's trapping the arm. Do some jiu-jitsu. Got the both hooks in.

Do some jiu-jitsu with gloves on. You'll be astounded. It makes chokes 20% harder. 20% harder to get. I would take the arm with my leg. Yeah? Yeah. I mean, especially after having BJ do it to me.

Oh, I love that. It's just frightening. BJ's so good at that. He loves getting that rear naked choke trapping the arms. Yeah, and he's only 160 pounds. I was 150 going out there. And he felt so heavy on top. He's so good on the ground.

It's just ridiculous. Yeah, BJ in his prime was one of the elite of the elite in jiu-jitsu. A lot of folks don't know that. And he got there quick. First non-Brazilian world champion. Took it in three years. Three years. He got his black belt and, boom, won the Mundial.

He's got the darts. Ellenberg's got this darts. He's got to sit his hip out. If he pulls this off, good for him. Seriously. He needs it. He can't help but root for the guy. Got a lot of space there under that right armpit, though. He's going to give it up.

Yeah, he's reaching down. Oh, now he's going and ducking under it. Jeff Glover style. Yes. There we go. That kid's a stud. Oh, yeah. He doesn'ting under it. Jeff Glover style. Yes. There we go. That kid's a stud. Oh, yeah. He doesn't have it, though.

Nope. And now he's on top. Ah, didn't put his hips down. Do you like the Japanese necktie? Do you ever use that? I find them really hard to get. Really? I have really big forearms.

It's really hard for me to get them. Stop jerking off so much, bro. No, dude, I can't, man. I'm on the road three months at a time, bro. Three months I'm on the road. Get at a time bro Three months I'm on the road Get yourself a flashlight Oh my god Use the code word Rogan Save 15%

Ellenberger's still on the bottom here Hey what did you think of Glory? How fucking awesome was that? It was good man It was a fun show Two of my boys Yeah Joe Schilling and Shane Oblonsky.

Dude, Schilling's a fucking beast. He's a monster. That dude is a beast. That knockout of Simon Marcus, holy shit. That mouthpiece on the rumbling. And he was spitting it out on purpose. That was a good deduction, man. It was. Big John McCarthy. He knows his shit.

Big John McCarthy knows his shit. The problem with the one day tournament though Is a lot It's won by the time the finals rolled around I mean Schilling was just like I have another fight Maybe I mean he just didn't have a lot left

That's what I hate seeing Is when it's decided I mean he walked in there going I was amazed he could walk to the ring By the time he went through those fights Fighting three guys at night It's preposterous They had Shane come out

I mean granted Shane isn't in shape ever. He throws up after every time he works out. The guy's just really talented. But from the last punch he threw, they waited 30 minutes, and that's what they said. He literally, you know, they read that he won. He walked in the back.

They changed his gloves, and then he walked back out. Wow. And that was, I mean, I'm sure Joe's was just as hard. Wow. They're savages. Seriously. Shane Del Rosario, is that who you're talking about? No, no, no.

Shane Oblonsky. Shana. Okay. No, Shane Oblonsky. Shane Oblonsky. Yeah. He fought in the featherweight. Oh, he fought in the featherweight.

Yeah. Okay. Made it to the finals and lost to Varga. He's huge at that weight. I was weight cutting with him and he missed it. I was so fucking pissed. Did he miss it? I was so mad at him.

How bad did he miss it by? Two pounds. For the beginning fighters listening to this, nothing will piss off a promoter more than not making weight. It is pretty much like not showing up for work on your second day. You'll get canned fast. They hate that. Now, Ian, obviously you're so close to this, it's hard to look at it objectively.

But do you think that they should abandon weight cutting? Do you think they should move to abandon weight cutting? And do you think it's ever possible to abandon weight cutting? Yes, they should. I'm sure I take a few years off my life every time I do it. I mean, like when I cut in Florida, I cut 18.8 in the last 20 hours. And I felt like at first your hearing goes. And then your vision goes.

And then you feel your body start to cramp up. And you're like, I'm fucking dying. Literally. Holy shit. I'm literally, this is how people die. And then you have to put on a smile, walk out, and stare at the person. Yeah, flex and stare at the person that you're going to fight tomorrow. And then you get to drink. Take a couple of sips of Pedialyte right after you step off the scale because you're literally dying.

I've seen some people that look like they're dying. They tried to, in the NCAAs a few years ago, for those that follow it, you weighed in once and then you had the whole NCAA tournament. So you weighed in once and then you wrestled for three days. Then a kid at Michigan died cutting weight. It was kind of like they tried to make it easier by having one weight cut and then they could wrestle three days and then they realized

that just encouraged people to cut more weight. And a kid from Michigan died and now you've got to weigh in every time. When they make it harder, it's like, oh my god, how can you make people weigh in and then fight? Well, it encourages people to cut less weight. It's just, you can't win. When they try to make it like you had a day

in between, guys just cut more weight because they had a day to rehydrate. So which way can you go? In high school, too. You have coaches that treat you like you're a pussy if you don't cut weight. Oh, putting on plastics and you're 14, 15. My coach was a world champion at 17. Oh, no.

He was from Iran. Oh, no. A little Iranian guy, 17, and was world champion. And he left the country, so he was in exile out here and wasn't able to wrestle in the Olympics, and he would have won gold. Oh, my God. And he, that's the person I was raised in wrestling by. I was living in his house

like two days a week, fucking screaming at me in Farsi. Persian food is the best food for you. Fuck you. Why are there fucking rumble candles in Iran?

You had the iron sheik every morning yelling at you. But the man did things that I've never seen other people do. Like he's just, and the best person. I mean, he definitely saved my life. That's other people do. He's just the best person.

He definitely saved my life. That's awesome, man. It's great, man. But as a wrestler, he was a savage. Yeah, those guys, man. First of all, wrestling in that part of the world is enormously important. It's a hugely coveted Olympic sport. Wrestling in Iran is gigantic.

He used to wrestle his cousins for food. Like the families used to have, whoever won, the kids won, they would buy the dinner or the loser would buy the dinner.

Jesus Christ. He'd be in the sauna with me massaging me like a 16 year old kid cutting weight, massaging me, trying to get me to cut weight

and people would be looking at us and they were like, what the fuck is this old man doing? Why does he have a little boy making him sweat in here?

Think about me in high school, how small I was. 103 pounds. Wow. What weight class did you wrestle? 3, 3s, 12s, 19s. And what did you actually weigh before you started the cut? Do you remember? By senior year, I was probably 35.

I was supposed to cut weight in high school, but I wouldn't do it. So I walked around at 135 pounds and I wrestled at 134 pounds. Because I was like, I'm not doing it. I was just like, you guys are dying. I see it all around me. There was a kid that was one weight class above me, this really big tall kid. I forget what his name is but he used to weigh like he would wrestle at 140 something and he would weigh 170 pounds and i just didn't

understand that he was a big kid you know we were 15 at the time or he might have been a little older maybe 16 but he was a big kid and i was watching this guy put on rubber suits and run up hills and rolling around covered in towels and shit. And I was like... Hiding under the wrestling mats trying to... Hiding under the wrestling mat. Everybody does that. I'm not doing it. And I cut weight a few times for Taekwondo tournaments,

and then I went up a weight class and fought. I weighed 154 and fought 154. For me, it was way better. I was just too lean anyway. I was always walking around very low body fat, so I just felt terrible. The worst I ever saw was Marcos Galvan when he fought Chase Beebe in Bellator. He could barely get on the scale. He couldn't walk. And then he got off the scale and he was going to the elevator and he sat down and he started convulsing. He

started shaking. And what people don't understand is the next day against Chase Beebe, he looked great. Phenomenal. The amount they get back almost encourages that kind of shit. If they walked in there and just felt so bad they couldn't fight, you wouldn't see guys do it. They recover so well

that it encourages them to do it. You do see some guys that you know they're taking it in. A perfect example He does so well that he encourages them to do it. You do see some guys that you know they're taking it in. You know they're hurting. Like, you know, they get down to that. Like, a perfect example is that dude who was Daniel Serafian, who was a killer at 185 pounds. Just fought at 170. And you could see for the moment he stepped into the octagon,

he barely made weight. And the moment he stepped into the octagon, he just couldn't grab it. It was just missing. His timing was off. His strength was off, he just couldn't grab it. It was just missing. His timing was off. His strength was off. He just didn't have it. Mark Quart just decided to go back up to 85, beat Tahuna last night. Yeah.

What did he say? God made him do it or something? God made him do it. God told him to fight at 185. Ian, don't you question God? Fuck you, bro. Hey, I'm a little baby Jesus. Looking to slap on this triangle.

It looks like he's a little tighter with it now. Guys don't angle their hips enough. You notice that in MMA. They also don't know rubber guard. I mean, I know a lot of people are prejudiced against Eddie Bravo techniques, but that fucking mission control to triangle. They don't know how to attack off their back with anything. The rubber guard in MMA is one of the best moves ever

because you can hold a guy down with your arm. You grab him, and you're not just pulling down with your arm. You're pulling down with your legs as well. And if you have a good triangle set up off of that, it's just a phenomenal move. So many guys don't do it. So you're left just trying to use your legs to pull the guy down or you reach up and grab his neck.

He knows what you're doing. If you get your hand, that underhook on that ankle, and you're pulling down on that ankle with good flexibility and a good rubber guard, that mission control position is a devastating position. But even coming from, in my case, Carlson Gracie style, which is a lot of open guards like that, like Merle Bustamante, hips are always moving. They're just active the whole time, whether you believe in that or not.

No matter what your school is, it's active hips and active fundamentals, and guys have a surprisingly little of that. Well, Jeeva's my coach. Jeeva's a stud. People don't know. Jake Shields just came in and rolled. Jake's always had an open invitation to the gym, and he just showed up one night, and I'm like, oh, what's up, dude?

So you guys should roll. And then after he rolled with Jeeva, he's like, why didn't you tell me that he was so good? He's like, I usually come into gyms, and I don't want to embarrass the coach, so I roll easy. He's like, I've never been swept so much. He was like, wow. And Jared Wallens, remember when he elbowed War Machine? Yeah. That's Jeeva.

Like, Jeeva's a, fuck, man, it's crazy how good he is. All butterfly guard? Butterfly guard, he does everything. I mean, he's... But... I wouldn't say rubber guard stuff. Some of the guys do. So good off his back.

Crazy. So important. Really good. I mean, and it's basic, you know, armbar type jiu-jitsu with a lot of elbows, pushing the head out, hips out, blasting people, you know,

like trying to create damage. Who do you think has got the best guard in MMA right now? Fabricio? Verdun? I mean, the dude fucking finished Fedor. For years it would have been Minotauro. I think we're past that

point. It used to be. And his prime Minotauro heavyweight-wise. Damian Maia's got a great one. I don't totally agree with that. I think Minotauro had an amazing guard, but if you put, I believe if you put Fabricio Verdum in the same scenario, he would tap those guys quicker. Really? Yeah.

I don't think anybody's better off their back than Verdum. He is outstanding. He is really great. He's insane. The way he keeps his feet on the hips, the way he keeps guys moving around. Watch that Fedor fight. It's not just impressive the way he submitted him. It's like, the fight was over as soon as he was locked up in his guard.

He snatched that thing up. He took it out of fucking midair. It wasn't like he fell into it. Minotauro never could do that. I mean, Minotauro is prime. He would take a ton of damage and then get some. And a lot of people go, is this really worth it? You are getting the years beaten out of you, man.

But he couldn't pull it off in his prime on Fedor. No, he could not. Granted, Fedor was in his prime in that fight, and he wasn't in his prime in the Verdum fight. Yeah. But still, Verdum, I think, just watching it, I think he's the best. You know who's really good and doesn't get a lot of credit for? Is that Charles Oliveira kid. Yeah.

That kid's wicked off his back. Very good guard. Wicked standing up, too, man. That fight with Frankie Edgar was fucking awesome. Yeah. He fought last night, right? I didn't see it last night. He fought on a Tahuna card.

Ellenberger wins a decision. Powerful Ellenberger. Good for him, man. Let's hope that eye isn't... I know, man. I hope he didn't destroy his eye. Yeah, he fought last night. Okay. Trying to find the fight card.

Here it is. The UFC.com, not the best fucking website in the world. He fought Hatsu Hiyoki. And he beat Hatsu Hiyoki. Decision or? I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. We could watch that later.

Shinya Hiyoki for a lot of years. I think had one of the best guards in MMA. Oh, fuck yeah. Oh my god. What do you think about the tights? That was the big thing. He wore tights in Pride, which are great for traction. But they wouldn't let him wear it when he fought anywhere else.

I don't really understand that. He stopped Hiyoki. It was the first time Hatsu Hiyoki got stopped. And by. He stopped Hiyoki. It was the first time Hatsu Hiyoki got stopped. And by the way, Hiyoki, just a couple years ago, was thought of as the number one guy at 145 pounds. And uh...

He got an arm and guillotine. He got him with an arm and guillotine. The way he cinched it up, it looks like he wrapped it up Darse style. Hmm. Interesting. My arms aren't that long.

I know, man. All three of us in this room, we got little stubby fucking monkey arms. Yeah, I envy guys like Tony Ferguson, those long ass fucking arms. Yeah. Tony gets Darses from everywhere. Bill Cooper from Jiu-jitsu.

Oh, yeah. Lock you up, you're done, man. Roger Gracie, another perfect example. Those long-arm dudes, man, they just really know how to get those certain submissions. That was the worst spinning bat butt. Not good. Not good at all. Spinning bat butt kick.

But props to that dude for taking that fight on short notice like that. Last minute. I think a little prep you might have won that one. It was a good fight too. It was a fun fight. Joe got his ass kicked

for the first five minutes. Yeah, that fucking eye looked pretty bad, man. That eye looked real bad. So let's see what else we got here. What is next? This fucking fight card.

I'm so excited about this main event. I know it's real close to you, buddy, and I know it's hard for you, but I'm excited about this. Sometimes I just don't want to see my friends get beat up. Of course, right? It's understandable.

Not really. I don't mind getting beat up myself. Yeah. I'd rather not. A lot of guys say that it's harder when you're walking your teammates up than it is when you're walking yourself up. Do you feel like that? Completely.

Yeah, because I just want to go. I know what I'm doing. I can control what's going on. And usually it ends up pretty well. So I just like it. But with other people, it's like sometimes you're thinking, you suck at this, you suck at that, don't do that, don't look at me and smile and get thrown.

That's the worst. I have heard in my career some really horrible coaching. And that stands out to me, I think, more than anything, when you're commentating. It's in between rounds, man. I know pay-per-view and on TV is very different, depending on what you do, whether or not we see the rounds, see the coaches in between rounds.

It's up to the producer and all this stuff. So a lot of times, I'm sitting there watching the coach and play-by-play guy's doing something, and I'm like, that is the worst advice I have ever heard. Like, they don't know what they're talking about. I like that you'll say that. It's awful. You will say that, though.

I'll call them out, man. Yeah, I will. I'll call them. Like, they're pissing me later, man, sometimes. I've that you'll say that. You will say that, though. You will say that. I'll call them out, man. Yeah, I will. I'll call them. Like, they're pissing me later, man, sometimes. I've gotten a couple people mad at me, but that is just the worst. Or you're winning this fight, and I'm like, what fight are you looking at? You are down four rounds to none. Yeah, it's never good to lie to your fighter.

Cheerleading. Some guys give awesome advice, though. Some guys are really good. You know who I think is the best? Matt Hume. Very good. He's so specific. He's such a good coach.

He's so specific about what's going on and what you're doing wrong or what you could do to make that a little bit better. Very technical. Yeah. And then you'll hear other guys where it's like, it's you all day long. Put your punches together. Like, they say a bunch of shit. Push the pace.

Like, what are you saying? You're not saying anything. They say a bunch of shit. Push the pace. Like, what are you saying? You're not saying anything. One of the worst I remember distinctly was BJ Penn's corner saying, go at him. Oh, no. Like, over and over.

I think it was actually the Jens Pulver fight. This is way back for the old fans. And they're going, go at him, Hilo style. Like, 20 times. And I went, you're not saying anything. Hilo style. but it was like his talent had always gotten him that far

so when it didn't work they didn't know what to do it was like we'd never coached him before why are we going to start now it's super tough when you have that dynamic

when you have that dynamic of one guy is the alpha the super alpha like BJ I've been to Hilo but I've never been to BJ's camp

I used to just stay at his parents house what is it like it's so much fun I would move there if I could it's so beautiful Have you ever been to Hilo? Like BJ. No. I've been to Hilo, but I've never been to BJ's camp. I just stayed at his parents' house. What is it like? It's so much fun. I would move there if I could. I love those people. It's so beautiful.

And it's like the little town my girlfriend was raised in. It's like Minden, Nevada, Gardnerville, like right below Tahoe. But it's that surrounded by jungle. It's a tiny little town. That's cool. And everyone's cool. And you just sit around and go to the beach but there's a lot of fights isn't there a lot of fistfights awesome children should be getting into this right children should be getting into fistfights you tell your daughter that

well no so the girls shouldn't ever ever fight that's disgusting um but don't say there's a big ufc bout weekend. You might get a fucking text message from DFW. Do you understand how much shit-talking I get? I fuck with everybody. It's Twitter. Simmer down. And then you get people saying some nerdy shit, like Rory McDonald sent me the WikiLeaks to Idiot or something.

I was like, oh, that's a real good comeback. What did you do to deserve that? You said he had never gotten in a fistfight. That the UFC is creating pussies that have never been in a fist fight. The world's toughest pussies. The world's toughest pussies. Which is an awesome quote. We have the world's best athletes.

And Doug Demetrius, I doubt he's ever even been in a fist fight in his life. But he beat my ass one day. That second fight he beat me up. So I'm just saying that a lot lot of guys they just aren't scary like i come to go from not scary to pussy is a pretty big leap like to go scary in one way you mean he's not an animal you mean like if some shit goes down on the street wants to beat the shit out of you and then lick his gloves right and you know chuck wants to beat the shit out of you and you know bone your chick and sorry just just kidding. Back in the day,

allegedly, whatever, whatever. But that's who I was raised by. So I have a different outlook on it. It's just fucking savages and not guys that are just there to be athletic. It's just me. I'm a dick. I'm sorry. No, one of the biggest transitions in MMA over the last 10 years has been

it used to be a sport of martial arts and fighters. Now it's a sport of athletes. And I go, these guys are just stud athletes who kind of went in that direction. They didn't grow up going, you know, watching Bloodsport and wanting to be that guy or, you know, getting in fistfights and going, gee, I'm going to go to jail if I don't do this for money. That breed, those two halves are kind of gone. Now it's like these crazy good athletes that kind of grew up,

yeah, I was a cross-country runner and I was a football player and I went into MMA. crazy good athletes that kind of grew up, yeah, I was a cross-country runner and I was a football player and I went into MMA. I get what you're saying in the terms of it's become more of a sport of athletes, of guys with, just have athletic backgrounds. Like over in St. Preux, guys who are really good at other sports, like

Matt Mitrione, really good at football. Freaky athlete. I just happen to say things in a really rude manner, as always. Well, you make a point though, I see what you're saying. I'm translating. I'm going to translate for Ian. What he means is it's become a sport of excellence. He's stupid and he just wants to sound like it.

It's my job. It's been part of my job. Clint Hester is about to fight now. He's fighting Antonio Braga Netto and Hester who fights at 185. They were just saying on the underground how he weighed in today at 205.

He's pretty strong. He's a big fella. And he's a good athlete, too. That's a strong cat. A hard, hard striker. And Neto, who is, he's fought in the UFC before, I think. He's 9-1. I think he's fought in the UFC.

I think. He's 9-1. I think he's fought in the UFC. When we look at his... Because I know there's some guys that are making their debuts. Machida was into that Glory fight, man. There's just a commercial with Machida on it right now. Did you see that Machida said that he was interested in fighting Artem Levin? Which is crazy.

I train with Romy Adonza. He's probably the best 15-pounder this country's ever seen. He's one 12-pounder. And when he turns it up, oh, my God, it is so scary. I mean, he's the only guy that they bring ties over, and he knocks most of them out. Wow. He's a 112-pound fighter, and he hits like a heavyweight.

It's fucking crazy he's the only person I'm afraid of where I'm like oh my god you're gonna fucking put me out at any point and that's

that's high level kickboxing that's world class kickboxing I used to train with Malapet over at North Hollywood Muay Thai you know how scary it is dude holy Jesus

it was like you got shot by a gun I mean it was it was yeah we were I was getting a guy named Kenny Johnson who who just cornered, actually, a wrestler. I was cornering him for a fight out in Orange County somewhere, and Malapet was fighting

Wild Man Danny in the main event. And... The King of the Cage? Yeah, something like that. And we're... You know, they're two separate rooms, and in the room next to us, it sounded like someone was shooting a rifle off. Like, literally.

I got up, and I turned, and it was Malapet hitting pads. Wow. It was ridiculous. You get hit, it's horrible. You got guys like Yoltsin Cly. Yoltsin Cly Fairtex. We're a Fairtex gym affiliate. Yeah, and it's just, oh my god.

The guy that just, he hit Romy with an elbow like five seconds in. Just, and then all of a sudden started smiling and pointing. And then Romy was like, fucking turn around and just had this giant, giant face pussy on his head. And it was, yeah, I saw that fight. It was fucking scary. Yeah. He's nasty.

He's nasty. Like super bond on those little Thai guys. I mean, they're, they're like, they want us to go out there. And I'm like, I don't want to go out there. And those guys hardly ever spar. That's hardly ever. They fight. They fight 300 go out there. And those guys hardly ever spar. That's interesting. Hardly ever. They fight 300 times by the time they're 25. Which is just absolutely incredible.

If you've ever been to Thailand, it's really weird. When they have a five-round fight, they don't fight in the first round because they're feeling each other out. They kill each other, rounds two, three, and four, and they don't fight in the fifth round. They carry each other. They carry each other. And I asked my coach this time, I was training in Thailand,

I go, why do they do it? And he goes, you fight next week. There's no point. We already know who won, basically, on the cards. So why would you destroy your body? You've got to fight in like a week. Wow. They just don't give a shit.

So the fifth round, it's like, all right, I know you won, so let's just carry it. And a lot of gambling stuff. A lot of gambling. That is so interesting that they do that. Do you think that Thai decisions are better? They're better at making decisions? Because that's the big issue in MMA. It's like, don't leave it in the hands of the judges.

Which I hate hearing that. Dude, I hate that expression. Yeah. It's one of my least favorites. We have a shitty judging system that we need to change. But how are we going to change it? Fuck, I don't... There's so many options and the people have so many ideas and they all seem okay.

But there's always holes in them. Yeah. You get bad decisions in boxing that's been around for 100 years and you have 12 rounds. And you get horrible decisions. Remember that one woman? There was one woman who was a boxing judge. She judged Bradley over Pacquiao.

I don't remember her name. She also called the Mayweather. No, not for her. It's another one. No, the Mayweather fight. She called it a draw. Mayweather and Canelo. Yeah, and everybody was like, what the fuck?

It was so bad that they brought in the Nevada state governor. They kicked her out. Yeah, they kicked her out and they brought in the Nevada state governor. And the real concern amongst people in the know was that she might be getting paid off by gamblers. That a gambler who wanted to ensure, like, if you've got a fight where you know a guy's going to win by decision, like Floyd Mayweather versus Canelo, you could safely bet a lot of money knowing that Floyd... I mean, shit can happen. Canelo can win.

But most likely, you're going to see Floyd box his face off. Most likely. And that is what happened. But if she didn't see it that way, and she makes it a draw, and then it's not a majority decision, or now it's not a unanimous decision, you could bet against it not being a unanimous decision. Vegas will let you bet on anything. Yeah.

And so, okay, Braga versus Hester. And Braga does have one fight in the – or Neto, rather. He does have one fight in the UFC, and he's got a victory. He fought on the regime undercard. Hester's scary looking. Yeah, I've seen Hester fight, and this is his style, that athletic, hands-down kind of explosive style, but he's getting caught by the left a lot.

This dude's a beast. They do not look like they're in the same weight class. Yeah, he's enormous. That's cutting that weight, baby. Cutting that weight, it works. I like seeing that our new Bantamweight champ doesn't cut much weight. Doesn't seem like he does. No, I don't think he cuts much weight at all.

TJ, I think at the most, cuts a couple of pounds. Yeah, he's a beast. And that's a perfect example of finding the right teacher and the right pupil. Him and Dwayne just fucking gel together. And Dwayne is just a total madman. So Neto, he's a world champion under Gordo. He trains at Evolve MMA in Brazil. Evolves the rich guys gym?

I do not know. I know that's the one in Singapore, I think. Let's see. I've trained at Evolve in Singapore. When we were out? Yeah, you're right When we were out. Yeah, you're right. Chantry,

Jackson, Clare. Sit the dong. Sit the dong, yeah. I love that all these rich dudes are doing that. Like, these crazy guys.

Like Dan Lambert from American Top Team, and the guy that did it over at Black Zillions. I love that these guys are doing that. And they're, same thing with Texas too. Team Takedown. Yeah. You know, all the wrestlers. Yeah, all those wrestlers. Used to have everybody. Those motherfuckers, those guys get paid. doing that and they're they're the same thing with texas too team takedown yeah you know all

all the wrestlers yeah all those wrestlers everybody those motherfuckers those guys get paid they get like a salary you get these rich dudes that nice fine animals like johnny hendrix they find these fucking animals give them a world-class facility hire world-class coaches guys like mark layman to go out there and teach them jujitsu great striking coaches and wrestling coaches and just build world champions, man. They have a weird deal, too, where they give up 50% of their purse to the gym.

The gym pays for everything, gives them a salary, takes care of everything, but then the gym gets a big cut of their winnings. Now, I want to bring up something that we're in the right... Look how slick this guy is. Yeah, and he's putting pressure on us not letting him up.

Yeah. That system, that situation, there's a fighter that will remain nameless. And we were like, he had kind of plateaued. And we said, you know, you should move on. I don't think your gym's doing it right for you, you know, just as a friend. And he went, they're paying me a salary. I really can't leave. He was like, I can't afford to walk away.

They're paying me too much to leave and find the right gym. And it was interesting. I was like, yeah, man, that system where it's, you know, if you're not fighting for your purse and a guy's paying you a salary but you're not getting the training you need, could he keep you somewhere? I think maybe the downside to that kind of system, you're kind of tied to it. Yeah, that could be the downside to that system if the guy's not fully committed to his athletes. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's an all-in sort of a proposition if you're going to start that kind of a big gym. You've got to be fully committed to your athletes. And you're going to pay for whatever they want. Mm-hmm. Whatever coach they want. If someone's not good enough, I'm going to say it. Yeah.

If I'm beating up one of my coaches, I'm going to be like, eh. Good. I wonder what happened with Kenny Monday. You know, because he left the Blackzillions. I mean, you can't get a better wrestling coach than that guy. Yeah, they fired him. Well, this fight, this is the kind of pressure we were talking about, Joe, that you don't see a whole lot in MMA.

He's got really good positioning, really good pressure. He looked to the referee. That shit is getting annoying, that looking to the referee. Look, I'm going to hit him. He's out. He's out. He's out. That's my favorite.

The guys in the guillotine, you're saying he's out, and they stop the fight, and he's awake? That's awful. Do you remember that Yoshida-Hoyce-Gracie fight where he pretended that Hoyce was out? Yep. And Hoyce was fine. Matt Danzig versus who got him in the guillotine, Matt Wyman? Oh, that's right. And he wasn't out. Let him up, he stood up.

That's right. Yep. He wasn't out at all. Yep. I mean. Yeah. But that's easy to tell, though, if you're a grappler. That's easy to tell if a guy's out.

That's unexcusable. Yeah, that's an uneducated judge. Yeah. KOs are weird. Like, earlier today. Uh-oh. No. That was a nice arm trap.

I love seeing good jiu-jitsu in MMA. I really do. Johnny Bedford got so pretty. He's got good fucking heavy hips, man. Johnny Bedford got fucked over earlier today for that. He got nailed with a punch. Went down. And, you know, he got rocked.

But the referee stopped the fight immediately. And, you know, he got up like, what the fuck? Screaming and yelling, this is bullshit. Clearly not wobbly. Don't push him. Yeah. Don't touch him. Don't touch the referee.

You can yell. Don't push. The reason why we're saying that is fucking Jason High, man. A little baby push. It was nothing. Freaking out that the fight got stopped. He freaks out in the moment, touches the referee, banned for life from the UFC, and suspended for a year, which I disagree with.

I think if he hit the referee, that's one thing. Do you think if Ronda Rousey pushed the referee, they would have that same reaction? That's – What if Ronda Rousey lost, okay? What if some crazy shit happened? Look, Liz Karmouche style. Remember when Liz had Ronda's back? What if someone sinks that in and really fucking locks it up and clamps it down style. Remember when Liz had Ronda's back?

What if someone sinks that in and really fucking locks it up and clamps it down and Ronda goes out or Ronda taps? Or the referee thinks that Ronda's going to tap and the referee stops the fight. And then Ronda fucking freaks out and pushes the referee. What would happen? Would it be the same because it's a woman doing it? I mean, Jason and I didn't hurt anybody. It has nothing to do with being a woman. I see the point of basically zero tolerance, don't push, don't touch the referee. Yes, I totally do, too.

But I totally get your point as to if Ronda did that, would they have the same reaction? Fine him. Oh, no. Fine him. Fine him $1,000, okay? That sounds right to me. I think it's a defense. They took $1,900 and a year.

They took 10%. Well, the 10% is a good amount. That's good. Don't do that. Don't touch the referee. Now you know. The referee fucked up, yes, but it was pretty goddamn close. You got hurt.

Yeah. He got hurt pretty bad. Don't touch the referee. But goddamn it. I think Jason High is a good guy. I know him. I've talked to him. I think he's a good guy. I like the way he fights. He is a good guy. I know him. I've talked to him. I think he's a good guy.

I like the way he fights. He's a good fighter. It sucks to me to see a guy like that get banned. But I see it from their point of view. You've got to set a zero-tolerance policy to any shenanigans. That's why, I mean, look at Semtex. Paul Daly is a fucking bad motherfucker. One of the best at 170.

One of the most exciting guys to watch. That's for sure. Took a fucking bad motherfucker like one of the best at 170 one of the most exciting guys to watch that's for sure took a fucking sucker punch at Josh Koscheck and he's been gone ever since

and Dan Dan Murguljada picked him up like a toy dude I'll never forget that like picked him up like you'd pick up a dog that bit you

like a pug and went god damn it and like shook him I know that feeling oh my god Murguljada's a big Murguljada's a giant he's a big boy. Murgliata is a giant, man. He's a big boy and a very nice guy, too.

He's a great guy. I like Dan. Dan Murgliata used to get a hard time from a lot of people because he was one of the original referees for Elite XC, and Elite XC had some dog shit rules. They were trying to stand people up after 15 seconds. Jake Shields caught Semtex in Elite XC with an armbar. And it was like he was running to get that armbar before they stood him up.

If you were a grappler in Elite XC, boy, you were in a fucking bad place. You were in a big country. Had Andrei Arlovsky on the ground, inside control, double wrist lock, working the Kimura, and they stand him up. And you're like, what? I remember that. Fucking side control with a Kimura? Stand him up.

Stand him up. That fat fuck. Who was that fucking guy? That promoter? That sloppy, jello-faced motherfucker? Yeah. Whatever. Don't even say his name.

He's like fucking, he's Candyman. He'll show up. I can't think of his name. Oh, that fucking gross person. Those guys ruined MMA for a while. And they got on CBS with that shit. It's amazing how far they got with it when you think about it. So far as idiots.

So far. Meanwhile, we're watching an awesome fight. Hester's coming back in the second round. Yeah, they're in the second round. And Braga extended a lot of energy trying to get Hester to the ground and try to submit him. But couldn't submit him. And now Hester stops that takedown super easy. That's a big athletic person.

Yeah, man. Look. Look at this. Nice. Hester takes him down. Beautiful. We'll see how this goes. It seems like probably a bad idea.

Look at that deep half, both legs locked up. That's beautiful. And sweep. That's a beautiful sweep. That's nice. Oh, my God. I love that. Both legs locked up. That's beautiful. And sweep. That's a beautiful sweep. That's nice. Oh, my God. I love that. Both legs locked up in the deep half.

You're in fucking trouble, man. You got to explode to get out of that. Look at this. Netto's full mount now. That was gorgeous. I love seeing shit like that. I really do. I don't see enough of it.

You don't? I mean, you got like Jacare, Damian Maia, this guy. You've got like a few world-class guys. Bibiano Fernandez is one of the best, I think. Yeah, for sure. Few world-class guys. But, man, Hester has got to be bummed out. Now he's all gift-wrapped.

That's a sucky spot. And he's doing that thing where you stick your thumb inside the glove. Right in front of everybody. You know we can see you, right? He was barely doing it, though, in his defense. But you can use your own gloves. You know, he'd use his own glove. Josh Thompson does that real well.

He'll get like a rear naked or a guillotine and get his hands deep in his own glove. That's nice. That's a nice grip. And I guess you're, at least you used to be, allowed to do that with your gloves. But you can't do it with your opponent's gloves. Just sort of like you can grab your own shorts, but you can't grab the other guy's shorts to protect you like

Kimura. Guy Mezcatito, he did that for like 20 minutes. For the old school fans. Old school, son. I was there for the original Guy Mezger-Tito fight where Guy Metzger was getting fucked up. And then they checked him for cuts.

They go back in. Tito shoots and Guy caught him in a guillotine. I had a fight last season where a guy was back mounted. Threw a headbutt backwards. I saw that shit. Lost a point and they stood him up. Ridiculous. I went, what the fuck is this?

Ridiculous, and I was so glad that you did that. Oh, my God. I was like, I would headbutt a dude to get out of that. Oh, take a point away. At least I'm not reneging jokes. I'm so happy that you do commentary like that. You call guys out on that, and you don't just let that shit go. I love that you do that.

Fuck, I can't, man. Well, of course you can't. Look at this. Meanwhile, Neto on top In half guard Joe Riggs Matt Hughes In half guard

You can get this He let it go though Decided to let it go Oh that was the end of the round Because he knows how much To commit to it And a lot of guys don't Yeah

Because you know Kimura from half guard's tough It's tough Especially the guy's got A good half guard Unless you're like A Matt Hughes type character One of those

Big country strong Motherfuckers You know Matt Hughes could just Yank that shit off your body. But it's also a hip thing. You have to know how high you have to be up with your hips. And a lot of guys just don't know. It's interesting, the level of jiu-jitsu.

But it's also interesting, the level of striking in MMA. The problem with MMA is that there's so much to learn. If you're an athlete and you're getting into MMA, I see a lot of these guys maybe in your 30s getting into MMA. God damn, there's a learning curve. There's so much to learn. There's so much to this sport that you're seeing sort of like

you don't see world class anything in most fighters. You see they're really good at a couple of things but when you see a guy who's world class like if Artem Levin started fighting in MMA, the big thing would be talking about this guy striking, for sure. Because he's world-class as a kickboxer.

And if you compare his striking to most guys in MMA, outside of the guys who really stand out, you go, well, that's what it really should look like. Yeah. But for every fighter Of a particular discipline That goes into MMA with a ton of credentials Who you go, oh it's a blue chip, this guy's gotta do well I can point out somebody who Same thing, tanked

You just can't tell anymore Where guys come in with a background in something You think, man, this guy's gotta be a beast And it just doesn't work out And here they are, third round Hester Probably down two rounds. If you, we barely, I mean, we really shouldn't be scoring in here.

Because we're not really paying attention to the score. Oh, nice straight one. Hester's going after him here. Big shot to the body. And Neto got tagged. Oh, Hester's tagging him. Oh, he slipped. Oh, my God.

He slipped and wound up on his back that's so crazy he was fucking him up just we were talking about and you're athletic you're physical you're powerful but don't your feet under you it's not going to help you yeah and all he's doing on the bottom is surviving i mean he's not getting up to his feet he's not escaping he's not i mean he got him down once with that beautiful hip toss, but then what happened? Immediately got swept. Deep half swept. That's a beautiful deep half sweep, too. I want to see that

more often. It's probably pretty tough to get both legs trapped in there like that. It's one of those weird situations like when Benavidez fought Tim Elliott and had both his arms trapped in, and he got the guillotine, so he had a tap with his feet. That was crazy. Look at this beautiful transition to the mount Neto's just so slick that sucks when someone does that to you yeah yeah I've never seen that that sort of uh

that position where guys both arms are trapped and he's getting guillotined Neto's got a sick mount. It happens. It can happen a lot when guys go underneath both legs for the pass, especially with the gi with that choke over the front. Kron Gracie does that all the time. That's a pain. The gi is a whole new world. Jeff Glover likes that, too.

He'll sit back when you try and pass underneath his legs. He'll sit back and guillotine you. He'll hop right over your back. But that's his thing. You don't see it a lot in MMA. He's a master. He really is. Glover is a master master he's a kid's a beast so good at jiu-jitsu he you know he's doing something that mitch clark just started doing that uh he'll like let you pass into a darce yeah you know

glover was like one of the first guys i ever saw do that and now mitch clark was the first guy to ever pull that off in the u on Al Iacuenta. Yeah. Beautiful submission. Like, let go to let, and he's passing. As he's passing, he thinks he's getting sign control and falls right into a locked-up Darce. You've got to have a lot of confidence in your Darce to pull that off, though.

Yeah, it's got to be strong. You've got to have long, like, good, strong eyes. You've got to know that that shit's money. Well, Clint tagged him. Hester had him really badly hurt at the beginning of this round, man. And now he's on top, in the guard. He might be able to finish this fight. If he could tag this dude a few times.

I mean, he doesn't seem like he would that kind of frame. He hasn't gassed that bad. Yeah, he's done well. Well, he's real cognizant about pacing himself. He actually talked about it recently, that there was a time where he was fighting, and he was tagging the guy, and I was saying he'd probably be best served to back off right now

and not gas out, because if a guy's still there and you unload on him, and so he backed off, and then he thanked me after the fight. He's like, that was good advice man he's on top and he's fucking netto up oh big elbow dave jansen guillotine a guy one time at m1 because i told him to i didn't tell him to i just said it's a good position for a guillotine he goes i heard you went for the guillotine and got it yeah you're welcome it's a weird thing like

sometimes guys will be right in front of me and i'll say what he's got to do to pass this What he's got to do to get out And you'll see the guy doing it You're kind of coaching them But you kind of have to Just because they're in front of you You still have to say what should be done Next time I pick somebody up

I'm going to throw them over by you I'll help you out If I know Sometimes I'm baffled. What do you think about having big crazy dreadlocks like that? That would make it harder to get out of shit, wouldn't it? A lot harder. I imagine.

I mean, it looks sexy as fuck, Clint. But goddamn, son. You're also blind to do it. If he's in your garden moving his head around the whole time? Well, I always thought that about Clay. Shake them dreads. Seriously. Clay can't see shit.

Got the predator going on. Yeah. I mean, Guida's got the craziest hair ever. Yeah. Fighting with that hair. And the other thing is, if you get hit, it goes flying through the air. It makes it look like you got hit a lot harder than you did. Ben Henderson's always fucking with his hair every time he fights.

He's got to look good, man. How about the fact that the dude used to fight with a toothpick in his mouth? That is ridiculous. Fought championship-level fights with a fucking toothpick in his mouth. Is he going to get to take him down? Now, did they officially catch that or did he just stop doing it? I caught it.

I know they caught it, but did they go cut that shit out? Yes, yes. He didn't even die. They check his mouth now. Okay, good. Yeah, they alerted him in no uncertain terms.

Like, bro, you can't do that. You can't have that in your mouth. Crazy fuck. He's so crazy. Guy's fighting world champions. He's got a fucking toothpick in his mouth. I don't know where he was sticking that thing. Probably inside of his tooth in his mouth. Crazy fuck. He's so crazy. Guy's fighting world champions. He's got a fucking toothpick in his mouth. I don't know where

he was sticking that thing. Probably inside of his tooth in his mouthpiece. I guess. I think. But it's lower. He's having the lower part of his mouth.

Dude, if that goes in your throat, you're done in the middle of a fight. It could, too. Oh, easily. You can get rocked. Everybody gets rocked.

Gotta look smooth, man. You know? I mean, so arguably that was in his face, in his mouth, when he got Showtime kicked. When Anthony Pennis leaping kicked him in the face and he went flying, he had a toothpick in his mouth. I think. I mean, I don't know. I know he did once, man.

And the reason why I know he did is because the fight was over. I was watching him, and then all of a sudden I watch him pull a toothpick out of his mouth. I saw the fight Being over The Diaz fight The Diaz fight I believe Because that's where

I remember you talking about it I believe it was the Diaz fight I don't I'm not sure though But whatever it was He had a toothpick in his mouth And I go Where'd you get that

Like I asked him In the post fight interview Like where'd you get that toothpick Like you had that toothpick In your mouth Like no no no And then I talked to John Crouch about it

And he's like Yeah I can't get him To stop doing that Like you can't get him to stop doing that. You can't get him to stop fighting with a fucking toothpick in his mouth? Of all the shit you can get him to do in training, you can't go, don't do this life-threatening shit. You got to pick your battles. Oh, my God. Dude's in great shape.

He doesn't drink, doesn't party. He's an athlete. He's smart. He does everything right. But it comes to that, no, I'm going to fight with a toothpick in my mouth. Oh, God. Fine. What can you say to him?

All right, champ. You got the bell. I guess you can do that. Yeah. Fuck, man. How good is goddamn Anthony Pettis? Yeah. Fuck, that guy's good.

Gives a stud, man. Kickboxing is awesome. His kicking is... Duke Rufus was on the podcast last week, and he showed me a kickboxing bout or an MMA bout where he got taken down. He got slammed. His shoulder popped out of place. His shoulder was fucked up.

He got stood back up. You could see his shoulder was fucked. He's moving away from the guy. Boom! Lands a high kick. Knocks the guy out with a fucked up shoulder. His shoulder's like hanging off of his body. And he landed a beautiful, picture

perfect, wrap around, left high kick. Just like he landed on Lozon. What I don't want to see, honestly, what concerns me is ring rust being a huge factor in his career. If injuries just keep him out so much. I hate seeing guys like that are so talented, but, you know, I don't want to say fragile, but injury prone, however you want to put it, where they don't get that rhythm they need. I call myself fragile. Wow, Clint Hester got it, man. Clint Hester won.

Interesting. Yeah, he did. Very interesting. I don't think I agree with that, but. Yeah. Well, neither does Netto. He looks pretty upset. I thought he took the first two.

It looked like the third round he won. Yeah, for sure. He was beating him up in the third round in the beginning, took him to the ground, he got mounted, but then he got on top, wound up in his guard. I thought Neto won the first two rounds, but I guess not. Yeah, well, who knows? Who knows what the fuck the judges are saying? That was a beautiful takedown, but show the deep half, bitch.

That was a beautiful sweep. Show the sweep. It's funny how after fights, they're only showing the guy who won's highlights. They make it look like a blowout. I had to talk to my editor, the people who cut him. I don't know if you have any input in that. I'll go to the truck and go, guys, you make it look like a blowout. You give me a close fight, and the replays are one dude beating the other dude.

I go, you make it look like, stop doing that. The problem with the UFC is they're doing this move of the fight thing. So they're not calling it a replay. is they're doing this move of the fight thing. So they're not calling it like a replay. They're calling it the move of the fight. But the fight, like that fight especially, that was a very close fight. It was a good fight. So you've got to show both sides. And when you have something as beautiful as that sweep, show that shit.

Michael Pena in the building. He's an actor on End of Watch. Do you know what End of Watch is? Yeah, the movie End of Watch. With Jake Gyllenhaal? Yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah. And Pena, he's funny in everything he does.

It's a cop movie, but like a serious cop movie where they... It was like Training Day. Like a Training Day time movie. It's pretty recent, right? Yeah. Pretty recent. A couple years. You know what's going on.

There's partners and someone dies or they both die. No gay cowboy stuff? No. Whenever I see Jake Gyllenhaal, I don't know how to say his name. That's where your brain goes, huh? That's where it goes. Like my dad always said, you suck one dick, you're a cocksucker for the rest of your life. I don't think your dad's the only guy who says that.

You can build a million bridges in your lifetime and never be a bitch builder. Life lessons. Yes. Yeah, there's certain things you want to avoid. And gay cowboy movies Are one of them But that's a funny Both guys were covered

Pretty well man Both guys were One's dead You know Let's The other one We're making fun of We can make fun of him

All he wants He's doing alright Well I wouldn't say I got tricked into it My friend's like Hey you want to go see A movie about gay cowboys And this is when I was

On drugs And I was like Yeah that sounds hilarious. That sounds so funny. We got there, and I'm like, what the fuck? You were looking for like a Will Ferrell movie or some shit?

I'm like, this is a movie about gay cowboys. But I was high, so I watched the whole thing. It was great. I enjoyed that movie tremendously for all the wrong reasons. It wasn't as good

as people made it out to be. It was a comedy to me. I don't know what everybody else saw. Spitting on his hand. Yeah, when he shoved his dick in with one stroke like that, it was like, what? You tell me what's going on here. You could spit on a hand. If anybody's listening to this, they can answer this question for me, because I want to play

like Ask a Gay Dude at some point, okay? Seriously. This is in all seriousness. They're going to lie to you. I know they'll lie to me, but having sex with a chick you just met can be a little awkward. You don't know what she likes. You don't know what you like. It can be a little awkward.

A dude, we've got to go, so are you? Am I? Are you? Am I? Because I don't. Are you? Who's the top? How do you make that decision in a club in 15 seconds?

I'm just curious. It's awkward enough. That's it. And there's. Yeah. I don't know. Do they fuck every 15 seconds? Yeah.

Whatever. Whatever. But to go, so are you? Because I don't know Do they fuck every 15 seconds? Yeah That's all it takes Most likely But to go like So are you Cause I don't Are you or Cause in the movie They decide pretty quick

I have friends that are gay That are a couple Yeah you gotta ask one And just go how It's pretty obvious When you look at the dynamic But if you don't know them If like you just met them

And just like Like we have all taken a chick home That we didn't know And just went oh well But Not me bro If it's a dude you have to decide At some point Yeah I think that They know you just know yeah one guy is the wife and one

guy's the husband just instantly you know as soon as you hit on them yes i swear yeah they know they just instantly know i've asked a gay friend some questions just about how you just you just gotta breathe i imagine okay breathe breathe okay that's what he said? Thanks. I imagine. Okay. Breathe. Breathe. Okay. That's what everybody says about everything. Very sound advice.

Cryo chamber? Breathe. Breathe. Just breathe. Yoga? Just breathe. Yeah. The cryo chamber

is supposed to be a motherfucker. I gotta do that. In between rounds? Breathe. You do it every day? Wow. How far away is it

from your house? It's in between my strength and conditioning gym and my real gym. Do you do a post-workout or pre? I do it 10 o'clock every day. Sometimes I work out before it, and sometimes I don't work out.

I just go straight there. Is there any restrictions? For folks who don't know what the cryo chamber is, explain what that shit is. More is better than me, so I just do it every day. You get into a little pod, cylinder thing. It opens up. You get in.

They raise the floor up so your head's above the top. They pump in liquid nitrogen, and then liquid nitrogen hits oxygen. It turns into a little pod, cylinder thing. It opens up. You get in. They raise the floor up so your head's above the top. They pump in liquid nitrogen, and then liquid nitrogen hits oxygen. It turns into a gas. Science class. But it's heavier, so it sits in there, and it gets down to minus 256, usually, Fahrenheit. I set the record at our place for 263. Oh, my God. You wanted more?

You wanted it colder? She just does it. So what's between you and... She's like, you can take it. I'm going to try something. And I'm like, what? I'm going to try something on you. Yeah.

250 degrees below zero is not enough. Just isn't quite doing it. So... I recommend it for everybody. It's probably the singular best thing I've ever done. Wow. In what way? Recovery.

Yeah, we got it. Recovery at least. What does it do that's so awesome? You just feel better. Things like the swelling goes down of everything. Bruising goes away. You get out. And you're only in there for three minutes.

I mean, I last three minutes, but most people last a minute or two. Wow. I just. You just gut it out. Yeah, just because there's something wrong. And then once you get, yeah, there's definitely something wrong with your ass. And then once you get out, it's just like all the blood flushes to your skin. Yeah, a rush of blood, and I want to go, you know.

This is a new thing, too, right? They've only been doing it for the last decade or so. It's been in Europe for decades. Oh, really? Everything's been in Europe for so much longer. And the U.S. has had it for five years or something like that. Oh, no. I mean, it's pretty awesome.

I think that people, you know, I took my daughter in to do it. She's two and a half. She's sitting there. She did it? She has juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Wow. That's what it was built for was people with RA. Wow.

And so I brought her in there. Before, I'm like, oh, you know, me and Brittany went in there, and I showed her pictures, and I said, it gets really cold. I said, do you want to get cold? And she's like, no. She looked at me like, are you stupid? And I'm like, okay. And I kind of played it off and I brought her with me

and then she was in there for maybe 10 seconds. I want to climb out the top. Did it help her? She's getting better. She's only done it that one time. I mean, if I wasn't in camp, I would take her more. But my day is so scheduled that I don't have time to have a baby with me. Right, yeah.

I can only imagine. She has a lot of energy, and she's really smart. And everyone says their kids are smart, but she's pretty advanced. And it's hard, man. Yeah, we were talking about diet and things along those lines. You have to be very careful with her diet. She's gluten-free she I still give her some some some I Mean she doesn't drink milk, but you'll have dairy through cheese. Mm-hmm red meat a little bit

That's why a big reason why I want to get into hunting because the meat is so nutritious Mm-hmm. Yeah, I have so many friends at hunt I mean all my friends that play pro baseball hunt a lot of my you know Fighter friends hunt just friends in general so yeah if you're gonna get some elk or some moose some of the most nutritious meat you could give anybody yeah my my stepdad's a world-renowned hunter and tracker up in alaska or used to be in alaska now he's with my mom in northern california and he's jim harrow where he's 80 years old and like ex-cia freemason practicing dentist still just Just a murderer. Animals, people, whatever.

I got a polar bear rug. He has one for me. A polar bear rug? And he's fucking huge. By the way, if anybody's freaking out right now, polar bears are not endangered. They're endangered.

He's 80 years old. So he killed stuff a long time ago and he's just a, he doesn't kill anymore. I'm trying to talk him into taking me to Alaska one last time. Have you seen that show, The Hunt? No.

It's a new show that James Hatfield from Metallica is the commentator on. I watch Bubblegum. He's a fucking Disney chick. I hear you. I do too. Miho Kylan. Yes. James Hatfield is the commentator or the narrator,

and they go to Kodiak Island where the biggest grizzly bears in the world live, the biggest brown bears in the world. And these bears are 10 feet fucking tall. And these guys are hunting these 10 foot tall bears. That's the kind of skin I have. People are freaking out about Hetfield being a part of this. They wanted to remove him from the Glastonbury Music Festival and everybody's angry.

Well, you know, if you love bears, you got to kill the big boars. Because if you don't kill the big boars, they eat babies. People who don't understand bears or are freaking out about that show like they need to kill bears to keep the population healthy otherwise they're gonna fuck each other up

you know the first conservationists were hunters because they were out there in the wilderness going you know there's livestock disappearing they knew they were out in the wild doing it Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter and started the park system people don't understand that. It's just...

There's more deer today than when Columbus landed in America, and that's because of hunters and conservationists. And the money for conservation all comes from hunting licenses. I need to kill them and eat them. They're delicious. I'll take you with me. Delicious. We'll go, man.

Let's do it. After you get out of camp, I'll bring you, me, and Steve Rinella. Rinella and I have been talking about doing that with... I have a mad crush on him. I do too. He's awesome. He's a sweetie. Jaco and Diaz right now is about to fight Ricardo the Bully Llamas in a really interesting fight.

Diaz is a bad motherfucker on the ground. He's got the bad Maldon Sandro right there. Excellent Bellator fighter. And that's- All known as Bellator. Yep. Soon to be Spike MMA if they're smart. We will see. Excellent Bellator fighter. And that's... Known as Bellator. Yep. Soon to be Spike MMA, if they're smart. We will see.

Just call it MMA. Change is coming. Boxing. I mean, boxing doesn't have... The Battlers. It's the Battlers boxing series. What is it? It's boxing.

Just call it fucking boxing. You know? Good point. I just think... Well played. It's mixed martial arts. Everybody knows what it is. All right, here's the guy.

That's the same referee earlier that fucked up. Derp. He was the guy who called it. Hey. All right, Ricardo Lamas is just about to fight, and if you're syncing this up at home, we'll give you the clock. It starts now. Okay, they just touched gloves just now. Alright, here we go.

And Lamas just removed from his fight with Jose Aldo where he was winning the fifth round. Had Aldo down. Guess who moves just like Aldo? Akron Diaz. Same build. Yeah, real similar. Real similar. Diaz, great submission guy. Nine

career submissions, I think, if I remember correctly. Very good on the ground and also like a lot like aldo is very competent standing up and not quite as good but still very competent he's no joke like it's no picnic standing up with this guy nice overhand right all those got like one of the best left hook right leg kicks in the business you know they yell it out do the dutchie do the dutchie and he throws that that holland combination the best left hook right leg kicks in the business. They yell it out, do the dutchie, do the dutchie and he throws that Holland combination, man. That left hook to the body

right leg kick. Oh man, I remember when he came out to I'm going to run this town tonight. When he fought Faber? In Sacramento and I was just like oh, you're awesome. That was one of the nastiest leg kick demonstrations I've ever seen.

It was horrific. And seeing his legs on Instagram after the fight where Uriah kept taking pictures of his leg and it was blown up to literally twice the size. I saw it a month later and it was still not good. I was like, bro, you're all right. Randy Couture told me that it took him six months to recover from the Pedro Hizzo fight.

That's what was so hard to talk to him into that second fight. Yeah. And the first fight, most people who watched thought that Pedro won. I thought he did. Yeah. A lot of people thought he did. This is old school. And then Randy came back and beat the fuck out of Pedro Hizzo in the second fight, thinking

about those leg kicks. It's like, not today, son. Hizzo had a tendency to start slow in that costume. Mm-hmm. You see those guys, like him and the Urts kick a bag. I used to go over to Marco's a little bit. Who us? And seeing those giant people kick bags and stuff.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I've never seen anybody kick anything harder than I've seen Pedro Hizzo kick people. He kicked Rico Rodriguez once in their fight. They had the most boring fight ever in the UFC. Yeah, it was awful. He kicked him once. So whack!

And Rico was like, oh, fuck all this. Fuck this shit. Fuck all this. Nothing, I don't think anything but a body shot and a leg kick. I've seen fighters go, fuck this, I'm out. I mean, just mentally check out completely of a fight from those two things. Rico was in full defense mode from then on and just said, you know what? No one's knocking me the fuck out.

You're not breaking my leg, so let's just do what we got to do here. And I'll collect my last Zufa paycheck. He made the agreement. I won't try to win. You don't try to hurt me. And you can see when a fighter does that. Like, okay, all right, I won't try and beat you if you will let me have my legs.

There is an agreement that goes on sometimes. They do, and you see it in their eyes, man. We see it all the time. I will stop fighting if you won't hurt me. It's a fascinating moment when you see a guy break. It's fascinating. And sometimes guys will break and then rebound and come back and break and rebound and come back. That's where things get really interesting.

The worst I think I've ever seen in between rounds was Dan Hornbuckle against Ben Askren. Oh, that was a good one. Dan sat in that corner. And he was at a black belt in intensity. And everyone knew how good Dan Hornbuckle was. And he came back to that and sat in his corner with his head down and just didn't look like the same dude. After one round of getting tossed around.

He just knew he was never going to catch up. When you lock up with a guy like Askren and you get tossed all over the place and every time you're trying to counter what he's doing he's already countering your counter he's one step ahead of you every time holding you down the whole time manhandling you and by the way he looks like he smokes pot all day and eats cheetos dude he does it's like he works at the 7-eleven bro and he's kicking my ass just kicking world-class athletes' asses. He doesn't look like Kevin Randleman. If he looked like Tyron Woodley, you would understand it.

Like, I can't fuck with this guy. But no, he looks like a silly stoner, and he's just ragged on. Fedor had a little of that. You're like, bro, you do not look like you fight. But people forget, man, the early days Fedor was big. Yeah, he was big. When he was doing a lot of weightlifting. Remember that picture of him standing around with a bunch of kettlebells?

He's fucking big. I mean, he's got some body fat on him. He always had body fat on him. But he was fucking big. I went back and watched the Fujita fight again the other day. He was big. He was way bigger than he was when he fought Dan Henderson. Yeah.

By the time he fought Dan Henderson, he kind of already checked out. He was no longer, no more weights. Oh, nice left hook. O'Connor and Diaz and Ricardo Lamos are going at it here. Diaz keeps landing that overhand right. That is a fight, a punch really, kind of funny. That big loopy overhand you almost never see in boxing. You see it constantly in MMA.

Yeah, because of those little gloves. Constantly. Little gloves that can fit. It always lands. It's so interesting when you watch the differences in the way guys cover up, like in Glory or in K-1, where so many guys do that classic Dutch, hold their hands up high, guard up to the eyebrows. Ooh, hard leg kick at the bell. Diaz, this is a tough fight for Ricardo Lamas.

Because Lamas is coming off a title fight. Would love to prove that he's still a top guy. Not a lot to gain in this fight because Jacarand Diaz is not a big name. But he's a bad motherfucker. Diaz also, Novinon, same team. Don't think they didn't talk about it. Here's what I did. Oh, of course.

This is how you beat this guy. Yeah. Interesting that they all move the same, too. Yeah. Like, you know, you see that in Barau, too. Very similar in their movements. It's the defensive, like, the way they, I mean, they let loose a little different, but it's like the defense is always the same.

Just very tight and pretty. That's why I was so amazed at TJ Dillashaw, so amazed. I've never seen a guy rise to the moment like that good. That was incredible. That was incredible. It was one of the, like, I thought, well, he's going to make a good fight out of it. It's really interesting. Maybe he can win.

Who knows? Who knows what's going to happen? But you're dealing with a guy in Hennon Burrow who's undefeated for nine years, 30 fucking fights without a loss. And meanwhile, TJ just ran him over. Yeah. Ran him over. After that, when he dropped him, that was just autopilot.

He went back in the corner. He had no idea what was going on. When he was going into the fourth round, he asked him if he was winning the fight. He had no idea what was going on. That is one of the scariest things to see Not just in MMA But in football or whatever When you see someone's brain Just get rewired And you go

They're asking where they are They're asking what round it is They just don't know what's going on That happens quickly I've had people ask me What happened in the fight They fought five rounds and they're going What happened

That's scary but that's post fight What happened in the fight? They fought five rounds and they're going, what happened? You know what's scarier than that? That's scary, but that's post-fight. What's scarier than that is a dude who's not even fighting who tells you the same story three times in ten minutes. And you go, oh no. Oh no. I used to know you before you used to do this.

Now you're doing this. Now you don't remember saying what you just said five minutes ago. You're saying it again. So Ricardo Lamas has Diaz's back here. That's kind of interesting. And he's trying to take him down. Wow. Bold Ricardo Lamas. Trying to prove a point.

Good knees, though. He's landing some good knees. He's a good wrestler, Lamas. Yeah, he is. He's a fucking great ground and pound guy, man. His ground and pound is nasty. But this position is, you know, you're in a tricky spot here. The other way to look at it, though, is he not liking what he's seeing

on the feet. He had a lot of those right hands. That leg kick at the bell, that was a hard leg kick to spot him around. Yeah, that was a good one. When a guy does something different, you also go, well, what motivated him to do that? If it were going great on the feet, he wouldn't be doing that. Yep, very good point. And then gets away. So Diaz gets away.

Without a doubt, he's looking for that kick. It's interesting, too, because the big kick of Aldo was something that Lamas really worried about going into that fight. Or I shouldn't say worried. He knew that it was a—there was another one right there. He knew it was coming. He knew it was coming, but did a really good job in defending him. He was fine in the fifth round.

I mean, obviously he got tagged a bunch of times, but did a really good job in defending him. He was fine in the fifth round. I mean, obviously he got tagged a bunch of times, but you saw no noticeable limping. He wasn't noticeably diminished because of it. Yeah. But here he's just taking a few in this first round, and in the second he doesn't want none of those leg kicks. What's funny is we were talking a little bit about cornering, and if a guy's getting kicked in the leg, and the corner goes,

check the kicks. Checking, if you haven't trained it, it doesn't come fucking naturally. You don't learn how to check in the middle of a fight. You know, where they go, you know, people ask me, oh, should he start checking those kicks? I'm like, if he hasn't been doing it in training, it's not going to work now. It's really counterintuitive to, like, turn your shin toward a guy who's kicking you. Yeah, it's never going to happen. You're going to think about it, and then it'll be too late. It'll be too late, man. It's very going to work now. It's really counterintuitive to turn your shin toward a guy who's kicking you. It's never going to happen.

You're going to think about it, and then it'll be too late. It'll be too late, man. It's very tough to do. It's like slip the punches. If you don't know how to slip punches, you're probably going to run into something. If you haven't been slipping punches, yeah. It's not like keep your hands up. Like anybody can.

Oh! He tagged him! Oh! Vicious left hook, too. Goddamn, Lamas is still in it. Oh, man, Lamas is still in it. Lamas is an animal. That was a nice combination.

Yeah, he was in trouble there. The kid has tremendous resolve. Tremendous mental resolve. Look at this. Beautiful takedown. And Diaz is a little tired. Takes a big deep breath right there. Thinking about that.

That can be a little disheartening. Hitting somebody with a punch like that and they come right back at you. That sucks. Three. Three clean ones. Three clean ones. Three clean ones. Do you think there's too many fighters in MMA right now for the amount of fights that are available? Too many fighters?

Too many. You know, people are talking about the UFC has 500 fighters. I don't know how many Bellator has, but they just cut. They just cut a bunch. Yeah, they cut a bunch. A hundred. They cut a bunch. A hundred fighters. Holy shit, I don't know how many Bellator has, but they just cut. They just cut a bunch. Yeah, they cut a bunch. A hundred. They cut a bunch. A hundred fighters.

Holy shit, I didn't know that. I thought they had 19 or 20. No. Scott Coker just cleaned shop. I think Scott's going to run that ship. Very smart guy. Very different. Very good guy.

A lot of changes. Really universally liked, which is hard. Unheard of in the fight world. Hard. Unheard of in the fight world. Can you say universally liked with Dana White? I like Dana. I like him a lot. liked. Which is hard. Unheard of in the fight world. Unheard of in the fight world. Can you say universally liked with Dana White? I like Dana. I like him a lot.

He's one of my good friends. I love the guy. But shit. I mean, you can go on the underground any day. Well, you can find threads about anybody. Any hate threads on the underground. I get hit mail all the time. A lot of love. I love the underground. I get hit mail all the time. Oh, minor that I'm not. A lot of love.

A lot of love. I love the underground. And people got upset with me this week because I was saying there's too many douchebags online, and I've been avoiding going to forums. I get a lot out of the underground. It's just like the douchebags want to stay douchebags. They just want to stay assholes. And all I'm saying is if you had a guy over your party and he was talking to people like that, wouldn't you want him to be gonechebags. They just want to stay assholes. And all I'm saying is, if you had a guy over your party

and he was talking to people like that, wouldn't you want him to be gone? Yeah. That's what an online forum is. It's a party. And they want it to be open to anybody and they don't want any repercussions of their douchiness.

They don't want to take responsibility for the way people react to the way they behave. Ricardo Lama's coming back at Diaz here. Man. Lama's a tough motherfucker, man. Those good combinations, man. He's recovered from those shots. Oh, Diaz cracked him again, though. He's moving his feet now. He's actually doing angles. Two rounds in. Exciting fight.

But, you know, forums are great, man. I get a lot out of the underground. I get a lot out of the discussion. It's just like sometimes you'll chop on there and you'll just run into a wave of cunts. Just a one wave will hit you. Some guys just check out. They're like, alright, I'm done with this place. I tried to say that. You guys ran off almost all the fighters. There's very few

guys still post there anymore. And people get upset. Fucking we make those guys. They just don't want to hear the truth. No, no, no. You're just a cunt. Yeah, you're being a dick. Yeah, you're just a douche. You're saying something.

You're talking to a guy like, whatever, it's Brian Stan or anybody. You're talking in a way online that you would never talk to them if they're standing in front of you. No, I'd fucking slap you. Oh, fuck no.

You'd have to be, or you'd have to be a complete sociopath. What if you were bigger than them and you talked to them like that? Why would you talk to someone like that? You don't even know the guy personally. You don't have a relationship with him.

You might think you know him. If you want to be critical of his technique or his performance, there's a way to do it respectfully. You could even be funny. Yeah, exactly. If you're going to make it funny, then cool. Have fun. At least if you're going to be a dick, be funny and make me laugh.

Look, I don't like a lot of those mean Photoshopps, but some of them are fucking hilarious of dudes that are KO'd, and it says some fucked up shit. There were some really funny ones that people did about Rashad Evans. I like Rashad a lot, but the Machida fight. They were funny. They were funny. That's where you could see an argument.

You could say, well, I've seen a lot of Photoshop's of me and very disrespectful. But I think they're hilarious. And I don't want to stop them at all. I've seen Photoshop's of me surrounded by dicks, you know, with a little tiny woman's body wearing girls underwear. I've seen everything. And I never have a problem with it. I think it's funny. As long as it's funny,

fucking keep it coming. Ian has photos of dicks that are in some Photoshop. It's a photo. I've seen myself wearing women's underwear surrounded by dicks before. It's weird.

It's just Tuesday. Ricardo's on Diaz again. Welcome to early MMA, right? Seriously. I get a lot of criticism though. I really do. I get a lot out of... Just even if I don't agree with them being hypercritical,

you see a point of view. You see their point of view, and maybe you see how. Got his back. Oh, yeah. Look at this. Lama says he has his back. This is incredible. He's got a full rear naked choke.

We can't see how deep it is from here. Look at this. He's trying to go palm to palm. He might have it. He is on his fucking chin. Oh, lost it. He did what to go palm to palm. Oh, he might have it. He is on his fucking chin. Oh! Lost it. He did what Ronda Rousey did

with Liz Garmusch. He let go of the defense of the neck just to get rid of the hooks and then threw him off. Wow. Strong confidence in his neck. The number one thing I get is that I'm trying to be you.

It's the number one criticism. The number one asshole thing I get is I'm trying to be Joe Rogan. Meanwhile, what they don't know is you had your head shaved years before I shaved my head. Years before you did. I totally copied you. Fucking since high school. I'm like, ah.

You know, true story. My mom. Look at this. Llamas has a fucking guillotine now. I don't think he's going to get it from there. Oh, man. It's amazing, though, that he's the one who's threatening with chokes. He's had two real close submissions, whereas Diaz had shit on him. Is he black belt?

Yeah. Ocran or Ricardo? I don't know. Ocran is a big black belt. But their criticism is ridiculous. You just get excited like I do. Everybody who sees somebody hit goes, oh! That's what you do. It's funny, man.

My mom once got us mixed up. I'm not kidding. I'm literally watching i'm literally watching i'm literally i was literally watching the ufc at my mother's house she was making dinner she's phenomenal cook i went there she's making dinner i'm watching the ufc and she comes in the room in the living room she goes oh it's one of your fights i go no mom that's joe rogan she goes it looks like you. And I go, yes, mom. My fucking mom got us mixed up. Oh, that is fucking hilarious. It was funny.

I was laughing. It's funny. That's hilarious. I mean, well. White guys with no hair. No tattoos. Yes, but. White guys with no hair.

I see the same shaped head as you. White guys with no hair. Who yell a lot. Yeah. Seriously. Why are you all. We do yell a lot. Part of our job.

At least it's entertaining. You know, and that's another thing about you and I, that I really enjoy the fact that we're very friendly. We like each other. We're friends. And we're supposed to be competitors. We're supposed to be enemies. We're supposed to hate one another, I guess.

Which is ridiculous. I tried to get the UFC to hire him. I totally did. I really did. When I told Dana White, I had a conversation with him. I said, the guy's awesome. I go, I think he's the best guy out there. I go, I really think he's really good.

I go, the UFC should hire him. I go, I don't know when his contract's up, but you guys should find out. So they looked in. They found out when his contract was up. And then they even started trying to get him. But then Viacom, there's a lot of money being involved. Lawyers, lawsuits threatened. Did you get paid more?

The Eddie Alvarez. The attorneys scare me. Really scare me. The Eddie Alvarez. Oh, look at this. Look at this. He's in fucking side control. LaHawks on top of Hocker and Diaz in side control.

Incredible. Incredible performance on the ground by LaHawks. Can't keep it. Lost the over-under. Oh, when he gets tagged by a right. Hocker and Diaz embarrassed right now. Must be embarrassed. And look at this.

LaHawks on top of him. Good cardio by Lamas, huh? He's coming back strong. Nice kick to the body. He's just aggressive the whole time. But yeah, I really wanted the UFC to hire Jimmy. You know, if I did even less events, I don't know. I like watching at home.

I'm happy with that. But there's so many events that they're doing now. They're doing two a day. A lot. There's two of them happening today One of them was in New Zealand And this one here is happening in San Antonio Two different teams

You know they had Anik and Florian are doing this one Or Anik and Stan Anik and Stan Florian and Goldie got shipped off to New Zealand For Fight Pass Marquardt looked fucking great Marquardt looked fucking great.

Marquardt looked really good. It was a nasty armbar. Now, he's had TRT issues. Did those get cleared up or no? Hmm, we're going to find out someday. I guess we're going to find out soon. We never know. It took about a couple hours. It is...

I told somebody a couple days ago, there wasn't a lady who swallowed a fly. Do you remember that poem? Yes. She swallowed a spider to catch a fly. fly swallowed a bird to swallow the spider once you start doing oh i was on this because i was on trt because i did this i was getting bitches i take this so it's just an endless stream when you start messing with that man it's an endless stream of shit yeah and that's where chale was and so it's out on bloody, so we can talk about it, right? Yes, we can. Because Chael, he's in a situation now where he got popped for a bunch of different shit

that he was taking to try to recover from the fact that he was on TRT. And then what people don't understand is when you get off of TRT, your body takes a long time to recover and get back to a point where it's producing a natural level of testosterone. So guys take things to try to reboost their system. And the things that he tested positive for from the Nevada State Athletic Commission were in those groups, the groups of estrogen inhibitors that they use to try to boost your testosterone.

used to try to boost your testosterone, but the UFC, they went through the most comprehensive drug testing that they could possibly get. This thing that costs $45,000 per fighter. And the guy shows up, takes the blood, leaves in a suitcase. They have a chain of custody of the blood, flies with it on a plane, like he's fucking handcuffed to it, it's a like the nuclear button nuclear codes yeah and they did this to chale and he tested positive for hgh and epo which are not part of that group no for post uh testosterone therapy so he had and then he had clomiphene and anastrozole. So apparently, what I think it is, is he was just trying to do something to jack up his system.

Get the fucking fires burning. But how many guys are on HGH? A ton. Is it 90%? What is it? Is it 60? What's the number? It's a lot. A lot of guys are on HGH. Why? Drumroll. Is it 90%? What is it? Is it 60? What's the number? You know?

It's a lot. A lot of guys are on HGH. Why? Drum roll. Because it works. It wasn't testable. It works. Weird. Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff that works. And for years it wasn't testable. Now, they have developed that test, but it being that expensive, they can't use it on everybody. If it's 45 grand a pop. They're going to use it on everybody. Really? I mean, I think anytime they get no... Ricardo Lamas.

Ricardo Lamas, I think he deserved it. Fuck yeah. He took that fight. He did. I'm just amazed that he got his back like that. I'm amazed that he... He's a stud. I'm more impressed he got his bell rung and kept coming.

He took some nasty fucking punches. That one, two, three combination that he got hit with and then immediately secured that clinch. He's a real fighter, man. MMA Masters, by the way, the coach behind him, MMA Masters, their team out of South Florida. We were wondering about that before his team and everything. It's out of South Florida.

That's where he's at now. He's a Chicago guy. I think so. But I know MMA Masters out of South Florida. Yeah. Oh, is that about a handbrake or something? No, no, that was just

the end of the fight. I don't know what that was about. So I'm looking at his hand if they're talking about that. We can't really hear the auto in here, by the way, people. Yeah, well, I mean, we could,

but then it runs into weird issues. Yeah. Like, if we were... If we were doing this... Well, the thing is, it's not totally legal. It's kind of on Fox.

We would kind of be broadcasting this stuff. Literally kind of partying. And I kind of work for Fox, too. They kind of look down on that. They frown upon that. Nobody told me to not do this. But when I told them I was doing this, they went... They were thinking, this could be a fucking...

He might say some fucked up shit. Or have a guy like Ian McCall on who will say some fucked up shit. Good for Ricardo Lamas, though, because that's a fight where he had a lot to lose and not a lot to gain. And he was losing. And he was losing in the beginning. That was a great fight.

Very good fight for him. So we were talking about glory earlier. How's that kid right there? Can we take a minute to appreciate that kid? The kid with the bandana and the baseball cap? George St. Pierre's that kid right there? Can we take a minute to appreciate that kid? The kid with the bandana and the baseball cap? George St. Pierre when he was a kid?

There's that good leg kicks. And again, look, what do they show when they show the replay? The replay looks like it's the Ricardo Lama show.

Yeah. They don't show any of what Hawk Ron Diaz did. Ricardo Lama takes him down. Here, Ricardo Lama hits him with a jab. Come on, man.

In a very competitive fight. The move of the fight. Very competitive fight. Yeah, I think the move of the fight should be both. I'm going to talk to them about that at the next event. We'll see if they listen to me. You got juice, right? You got pull. I got a little juice.

People listen to you. I've been around. Everybody ignores me. I know some things, my friend. Is that Joe Stevens? Yep. What's Joe up to these days? Joe Daddy?

Yeah. I don't know. Joe Stevenson. He's just teaching. That kid started his MMA career as a professional at 16. 16 years old, man. Chris Brennan choked him out in UFC when he was 16. 16 years old.

King of the cage. King of the cage or UFC? It was king of the cage. The first king of the cage. Okay. It was, yeah. They tried to get me to fight when I was 16. King of the cage.

He beat up Joe Camacho his first fight. So crazy. Tough. Joe Camacho, rest in peace. Dude. Couldn't believe that. Former teammate of mine. He was a good dude.

Yeah, he was. I like Joe. JC Plenty. Dude would fight anybody, anytime, anywhere. Good dude, too, man. That's another thing that's kind of gone. Understandably, I get it, but. Yeah.

You know. There was a few of those guys. And a lot of them have crap records because they would fight anywhere. Chris Brennan, give him a call. He'll show up. He'll fight. Wild Man Danny, give him a ring. That's the reason they have it all.

You know they'll show up. They'll know they'll show up. You know they'll fight. They'll have, you know, 20 losses. They don't give a shit. That fucking knockout of Weidman versus Silva that just showed in the replay. I watch it. I've seen it a hundred times. I still don't believe a shit. That fucking knockout of Weidman versus Silva that just showed in the replay. I watch it. I've seen it a hundred times.

I still don't believe it's happening. I just go, there's no way. There's no way that's real. It's like, you remember when Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson? And you watch the replay like ten times in a row. You're like, that didn't happen. I'm watching a hologram. Upset in boxing history.

Crazy. Crazy upset. In my opinion. But when you watch it, it doesn't seem real. Like, when I watch Hennon Burrell, TJ Dillashaw, I've watched it again. It seems real. You know, TJ put on a masterful performance, but I believe it. When I watch Weidman connect with that left hook, I'm like, is this a parallel universe?

Is this something? Am I in a dream? Yeah. Did that really happen? I cried when I was, Me and my brother cried when Tyson lost. Did you really? Wow. What happened, daddy? My dad, we still

watch every UFC, every boxing. He knows his shit. That's awesome. I remember, oh my god, Superman just died. When he was struggling to put that mouthpiece back in, motherfucker was game to the end, though. Still trying to put his mouthpiece back in Motherfucker was game to the end though Still trying to put his mouthpiece back in Went out on a shield

Scrunching around the ground Trying to get that thing in his mouth Speaking of awful corners Aaron Snowell They didn't bring an Enswell And a water bag A rubber glove full of ice That's the most ridiculous shit ever

No Enswell Oh my god They didn't have an end swell. And that was, you know, we were talking about cornering. Go out and Mike, you go, all right, Mike, move your head. He's hitting you with it. I mean, there were technical things that anybody could have told him, and they literally just had no idea what to do.

Like, he had always beaten everybody else. It's a perfect example of a guy learning from fantastic coaches and then thinking he doesn't need any more coaching. Kevin Rooney, amazing coach. Kevin Rooney's amazing, and before that, of course, Teddy Atlas. Teddy pulled a gun on him. That tends to dampen the relationship a bit.

You're not supposed to fuck Teddy's niece, Mike. Generally cornering his niece. Generally a bad idea. You fucking beast. Fucking savage. Can't believe Leaving little girls Around Mike Tyson Either by the way Speaking of

Speaking of scenes Where you go Did I just see that You know the interview He did Before the Lennox fight When there's a woman reporter And she says something

And he goes Are you talking at a turn And she goes I thought we were all Just talking Because I usually Don't do interviews With women

Unless they'll Fornicate with me Yeah So you should Stop talking now. And you just go, did I just see that? He's an old school savage. Whoa.

I'll fuck you till you love me. I'll fuck you till you love me, faggot. Yeah. Oh, running for me like a scared white bitch. Yeah. Oh, my God. Scared. Scared of the real man.

Scared of the real man. Oh. When you just look at him, you go, are you? Scared of the real man. When you look at him, you go, are you? Are you for real, man? Well, when you hear him now, when he talks about how much coke he was doing, it makes sense. Oh, seriously. I'll eat his babies. Remember that?

I'll eat his babies. Praise be to Allah. I want to eat his children. I'm ferocious. My defense is impregnable. I'm Jack Dempsey. I'm Jack Johnson. Ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm ferocious. I'm Jack Downsie. I'm Jack Johnson. Ferocious.

I'm ferocious. Heavyweight champion ever lived. I'm precocious. Yeah, those were the days, man. Those were the days. They're showing the Weidman versus Lyoto Machida fight. What do you think about this? Do you think that he's going to be able to get a hold of Machida?

Oh, man. Machida's tough for anybody. His style is kryptonite. And I have a tremendous respect, you know, for everybody he's fought, but you just can't get a handle on Machida. He's so hard to get a handle on, man. Weidman has bad knees too, man, real bad. And he's fought through it because he's incredibly tough,

but he had Regenikine done on both of his knees. And then after he had regenequin done he felt great and then fucked him up again and then had to get meniscus surgery so he got meniscus surgery on both knees and it wasn't that long ago and that's what canceled his last fight that's what postponed the fight and then you know obviously he was supposed to fight vitor vitor had to pull out they still have uh you, Vitor apparently still has to get licensed and tested and all that jazz, but he's another one of those guys

off the testosterone replacement, and, you know, now what? Especially with this new ruling, when they found out, now that everybody knows that Shale Sonnen got popped, and now that everybody knows that he got popped

with this new testing that they're doing, this $45,000 testing. Who's scrambling right now? That's what I'm wondering about, is who's right now going, oh, shit. There's dudes that they're doing. It's $45,000 testing. Who's scrambling right now? That's what I'm wondering about is who's right now going oh shit. There's dudes that are scrambling. There's a lot of motherfuckers that are like uh oh. Especially the older guys. Anybody that was on it.

I mean anybody that there was only a handful of guys that were officially on testosterone replacement but they're all fucked. I mean Dan Henderson is the only one who's who's been able to fight on it and off it with very similar results like he fought uh rashad evans he was off of it because winnipeg didn't have a sanctioning they didn't sanction testosterone replacement so dan apparently only takes a little bit of it so he's like i just won't take it yeah

so he just fought without it. And it wasn't like a sweeping difference between how he looked. Yeah. Dan's a guy, by the way, personally, I used to train him

a little bit. Dan's just a great guy. I really like him. I really don't want to see him have that fight where he's suddenly old. I just hope he gets out before then.

Because he's looked okay. I mean, he's looked good. I don't want him to have that fight i just i just really don't want to see it as a as a as a fan i really don't want to see that fight man well he's got a chin that's made out of some new kind of metal it's like they don't even know what it is yeah it doesn't even make sense i've never seen a guy take shots like he takes shots he's got the best chin i've ever seen in my life. I've seen him get rocked. Anderson rocked

him. Anderson lit him up with a four or five punch combination before he KO'd him. Or before he choked him out, rather. He's the first guy that I've ever seen hurt Dan like that. But Dan's been in some crazy ass fucking wars. Remember the Vanderlei in Pride? Beat the dog shit out of him.

In the first fight. Beat the dog shit out of him. In the first fight. In the first fight. Beat the dog shit out of him. Beat the dog shit out of him. Just kept going. And he fucked Vandelay up too.

That's what Vandelay was just, if you just, if you had a steroid test and you brought it near him, it would explode. It would start shaking

in your hands. It would be like antimatter, a black hole would be created. Yeah, because you're fucking screwed.

Like a Memorex commercial when they yell, they sing in the fucking glass break. Yeah, that's... It would just fucking explode. So he got rocked with a big punch, and Dan caught him with a huge right hand, fucked his eye up. Remember, Vandalay's eye was completely closed. And by the way he was fighting, he didn't even notice it.

Didn't even care. Didn't even care. Didn't even care. I don't think enough people, and I really believe this, Crow Cop beat the career out of Anderle Silva. I believe he did too. He beat him so badly in Pride Grand Prix heavyweight. I don't think Anderle was ever the same dude after that. I think you're right.

I think it beat the career out of him. That was Anderle. That one fight, man. Anderle was trying to fight at 214 pounds. Again, juice to the giggles. He wouldn't piss hot. He would piss liquid steroid. You can drink that and get jacked, bro.

He'd gain 10 pounds. You'd get home. You'd be like, why am I so big? You could eat Vandelay. His wife. You'd juice out yourself. Dude. But his wife was all jacked.

She grew a beard. She grew a beard. Yeah, Vandele was a monster. I mean, he was just not afraid of anybody, but that was when Krokop was Krokop. For those of you who haven't seen it, it's an ass whooping from the beginning to end. He was a scary person back then. Those kicks were just like...

And he fucked Vandele up before he KO'd him. He had to be lit up. Vandele's never been the same guy. But then again before he KO'd him. He had him lit up. His takedown defense was so good. But then again, he's another guy. Well, they were all, look, when you talk to Ensign anyway, he said they had contracts that said they don't test for steroids. The contracts were telling you they're not going to test for steroids. Ensign laughs about it.

They didn't give a fuck. Like Crow Cop, and he comes over to the UFC, and he's just never the fucking same. He the same guy everybody goes yeah pride fighters weren't that good they came to uc and got smoked and i'm like number one a couple of them won belts like minotaur on rampage but gee you think i go they were just juiced the gills to the gills man and we all know that you can only have so many of those fucking fights the reason they were big in pride is they had 20 of you know 20 fights against top guys and everybody now is like a pride fan like it's like cool to be a pride fan yeah they had some freak show fights that made no sense that

a lot of i love pride my old school pride fan but a lot of those fights were like they would throw guys remember daijiro matsui they would just throw him to the walls. Against anybody. Against anybody. It's like, you can't take that number of beatings, or just hard fights, period, and have a career after that. Like, it's just. Sakuraba. Sakuraba. I mean, that.

They gave him no love, dude. Like, after he was, you know, after, basically after he lost to Vandeley a second time, it was clear that he wasn't going to be Vandeley. Then it was Crow Cop. It was just, they never gave the guy a break, man. The one time I saw him was at Ciboba, King of the Cage, and he was drinking and smoking cigarettes the whole time. Didn't even watch the fights. Well, apparently he always smoked.

Always smoked when he was in training. Nicotine supplements is what he said. Oh, really? No, no, no. Oh, that's what he called them? Oh, nicotine supplements. It's amazing how good his cardio was. Yeah. Ridiculous. I mean, the guy never much. It's amazing how good his cardio was. Yeah.

Ridiculous. I mean, the guy never gassed out. Never. He smoked cigarettes all the time. Yeah. It's like, what's his name from Nicaragua? The boxer? The guy who-

Mayorga. Mayorga. Ricardo Mayorga. Ricardo Mayorga tried a little bit of MMA. Old school choppers. Yeah. And yeah. He used to smoke cigarettes.

Romy. Romy from my gym. He just smokes, eats gristle, and drinks alcohol. Really? And he just, like, he never gets tired of punching. You can take him for a run. You'll run him into the ground. It's easy.

But try and punch with him and bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. I'm like, dude, we just went five fives and you're still punching faster than me. And you smoke cigarettes. Yeah, and you smoke cigarettes every day. Well, a lot of Thai guys do, right? Yeah. The Thais, a lot of the Thais. He trades cigarettes with the foreigners.

That's so hilarious to get some foreign cigarettes. Yeah. So this is Cesar Ferreira, who won the Ultimate Fighter Brazil. He's coming off of that knockout loss to C.B. Dalloway, though, right? Wasn't that his last fight? Dalloway caught him with a beautiful punch. Dalloway's stand-up is much improved. And this is an interesting fight, man.

Andrew Craig, who's another one of those guys that's an athlete in other sports that came into MMA late in life. He played football? What did he do? I don't remember. I don't remember what he did. I wish I had my cheat sheet in front of me. I could pretend I'm smart.

I fought with him in Brazil. Did you? Yeah. Or not Brazil, in Australia. Super nice guy. Cut way together. Yeah, very good dude. Tough guy too, man.

I loved how he looked against Chris Lieben. That was one of the signs that it was over for Lieben. Yeah. Because Andrew Craig avoided all Lieben's charges and fought with him. Oh, he got tagged. Ferreira tagged him Ferreira's trying to lock up

anaconda choke right away oh look at this arm and guillotine he loves that arm and guillotine too man he got that arm and guillotine in one of his last fights

he hops over to the side gets his hips on the side and traps the arm in with his hips we were just talking about this last night. Yeah.

With some jujitsu guys at the Ice House about that guillotine. A lot of guys are doing that now. They trap that arm in and jump off to the side. You can circle and go Peruvian, too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I like the Peruvian necktie. Now he's switching it up to that 10 finger.

Nope. Andrew's got those hands separated. Let's see if Andrew goes to his back. Because that's the thing. A lot of dudes don't want to give up the back, you know? And Andrew stood back up. Nicely done by Craig. Andrew, Craig's got to get rid of that crazy beard. Look at that.

It looks very Uncle Creepy-like. Only one of us can have that motherfucker. Don't get mad. Well, if another dude starts twirling up the tips of his mustache, then you're going to have to have talked with him. Listen, son. Eddie Wineland did it. Does he?

Yeah, I'll give him a pass. Eddie does? Yeah. When does he do it? I never saw him do that. Yeah, I don't know if he still has it. I know he's had it before in the past. What did you think about his last fight?

What did he fight last? He got knocked out, remember? Oh, by... Brazilian Cat. Yeah, a young one, isn't it? Yeah, I'll pull it up. He might retire, which sucks. Oh, because he's got his jaw broken.

Yeah. I hate that. He's got to get wired. I love watching that guy fight. Yeah, he's exciting. You want to talk about a guy who never keeps his fucking hands up. Yeah. He just slings.

I mean, he moved his head real good. Good footwork. Good movement. Johnny Eduardo knocked him out. Oh, he's cut bad. Look at that. His blood running down the side of his face. Yeah, it's a good spot, though.

The top of his head. Yeah. He's got cornrows like a fucking white chick hanging out with black dudes. Or in combo. Or in combo, yeah. Or a Bo Derek chick hanging out with black dudes. Or in Cabo. Or in Cabo, yeah. Or a Bo Derek fan. Bo Derek, man. That's an old school one.

What's going on? You got poked too? God damn it, I hate these eye pokes. Here's something that Bellator is doing good. I like that new glove that you guys have. Other than Jimmy Smith. Oh, that's the main thing. I mean, that's the main thing.

But beyond that. That Jimmy Smith guy. That guy. The thing. Beyond that. That Jimmy Smith guy. That guy. Guy he works with. That guy's awesome. But the gloves, those new Everlast gloves, they protect the hand more and they're more curved. Yeah, they're kind of bent. If you haven't seen them, they make the hand cup a little bit.

I would sure like some more hand protection. Yeah, man. I know. Ian's got a fucked up hand right now. How many times have you had hand surgery? Twice. Two surgeries, two breaks. And it's just, I mean, it'll break again.

It's just one of those things. You just hit too hard, son. Got a problem. I hit people in the top of the head. That's a problem, too. That's a killer. This, ooh, good straight left by Ferreira. The Everlast glove, they've had very few handbrakes in Bellator since that was implemented, right?

What was the statistic, Jimmy? You're the guy over there. I am the guy over there. What are the numbers, Jimmy? For the handbrakes? Statistics about what? Yeah. What's your specific question? Oh, there was a bunch of, there was a statistic. Look how small Vitor Belfort's arm looks. For the handbrakes? Statistics about what? Yeah. What's your specific question? I don't know.

Oh, there was a bunch of, there was a statistic. Look how small Vitor Belfort's arm looks. I mean, I don't want to be the guy saying that. Just throwing that out there. Get rid of that, guys. They heard us in the truck. I know that there was like a ton of handbrakes one season, the season before the implementation of these gloves.

And since then, I don't think there's been a break. I haven't seen one. I haven't seen one. Yeah, I think they've literally eliminated handbrakes, which is – I mean, it's kind of anecdotal. It's not like a – Well, the problem they've had in Bellator, and obviously it's going to change next year, is with the tournament system, the guy would get his hand broken, and that was it. I mean, they'd throw in somebody else.

An injury where you'd go, okay, well, he won't fight for four months anyway. No, he's got to fight in a month. So that's why they don't allow elbows on the ground is because, or the elbows period is because they didn't want cuts where you get a 60-day suspension. You can't fight the next month. So that would really fuck Bellator up. When people got injured, you fight in a month, you got a broken hand, you're done. I mean, it's just you gotta replace them

do you think that they're gonna change that fight in a month thing with Coker involved because I think they're getting rid of the tournament yes

thing yes they the seasonal format where we're doing a fight a week for three months is gonna go

that's what they're talking about because essentially one time I'll tell this story Mauro Ronello used to call me every week When he was on the score And to kind of break down next week's bell torn One time he goes

Alright well in three weeks And I went oh shit I don't know what's happening in three weeks Like that's like a year To me you know that's like four fights from now So I had to like run to my computer And like pull it up real quick so I could talk about it i don't know what's happening in two weeks or three weeks how is how are the fans gonna know what's happening you couldn't build up a fight because we had a fight every week so unless you were like in it because you like watching fights every week we

did have those fans that that got into it like you get into a tv tv series um it was hard to hype a fight and make a fight really big and sc Scott Coker's whole thing now is big fights. And you need lead time and you need promotional time to build those up. It can't be done every week. And by the way, nobody gives a fuck about tournaments. They like fights. They like fights. Here's the statistics so you know.

The new gloves debuted at Bellator 110. And Bellator has held nine events and experienced zero handbrakes since the implementation of the new gloves. By comparison, Bellator Season 8 saw 11 events use the old glove design and included eight broken hands, including welterweight champion Douglas Lima, a beast. That dude's a beast. Dude's a monster. And lightweight standouts Saad Awad. Is that how you say it? Saad Awad.

Saad Awad. Broken against Dave Rickles. And Alexander Sarnofsky. Yeah. All broke their hand. Yeah. Amazing, man. Yeah.

Amazing. I remember those fights. Season 9 also featured 11 events and had 7 fighters suffer breaks. Hold on a second. Season 8. Okay, this is saying Season 8 had the new gloves. And, oh, they had 8 broken hands. Okay, hold on a second.

Wait a second. Since the new glove, they've eight broken hands. Okay, hold on a second. Wait a second. Since the new glove, they've held nine events. Okay, Bellator season eight saw 11 events with the old gloves. Now you're understanding the confusion of the season format now. Right here, Joe is just exemplifying that. I don't get it. Well, apparently they haven't had any hand breaks since the new gloves. I did know that. We haven't had any since they had the new one.

That's incredible. That's pretty crazy. That's pretty amazing. So if you see the gloves, you see them in an image. You can see them here, the comparison between the old gloves and the new gloves. They're just thicker. Thicker on top and not any heavier, right? They're still four-ounce gloves?

They're the same. All right, so Andrew Craig, Cesar Ferrer, Mutante fighting the second round here. Mutante is fucking huge for 185. Yeah, Lima's one of those guys. You look at him, you go, how the fuck do you make 170 pounds? He is a giant. Where's that guy walk around at? 220?

Jesus. 215? Seriously. Well north of 200. Well north of 200. Perfect example of a guy who diminished by losing weight is Anthony Rumble Johnson. He's the best example. Look at what the fuck that guy looks like as a light heavyweight.

He's got to be kicking himself for not being a light heavyweight all along. He's a scary guy. Having full energy. What he did to Phil Davis, nobody's done to Phil Davis. He manhandled him. Manhandled him. Dude. Stuffed every takedown like it was a joke. Beat the shit out of him standing.

Made it look like he didn't belong in there with him. It was amazing. I kept thinking, this guy fought it once. Just power-wise. Well, Rashad beat Phil Davis, but... Didn't physically... Didn't do it like that. Wiped the floor with him.

Didn't do it like that. Anthony Rubble Johnson is fucking frightening. Yeah, he's a scary dude. So Andrew Craig and Mutante here in the second round. So yeah, Ferreira did, he lost his last fight. That was... The Dalloway fight? Yeah, that was the Dalloway fight.

That was... The Dalloway fight? Yeah, that was the Dalloway fight. Which was a great fight for Dalloway. Dalloway's another one of those guys that really is coming into his own lately. You're just starting to see it. Dalloway's just starting to get real comfortable with his hands. Real loose with his hands. Spinning back fist.

It's interesting how you're seeing, like, we were talking about this the other day, that MMA has a lot of, like, one guy will do one thing, and you'll see it happen. You'll see it be effective, like a wheel kick, and then you'll see, happen, you'll see it be effective like a wheel kick, and then you'll see everybody throwing wheel kicks. Everybody's trying it, yeah. It's one of those things. Look at this. Holy shit.

Yatante's strong as fuck. Good takedown defense by Craig, though. Andrew Craig's a really good athlete, man. And the reason why he's gotten so good at MMA so quickly. so quickly. It's not the technique anymore. The X factor is how good of an athlete are they? That's definitely a part of it, right?

I mean, Marcelo Garcia has always said that about no-gi jiu-jitsu, that the difference between no-gi and gi is that physical attributes are so much more important in no-gi, that a guy who's really physically strong accounts for so much more. Whereas a guy who's physically strong in a gi, you know, we've all seen it. Guys get wrapped up and spider-webbed. You know, they just get gummed up. Ted Ade took second in the world at heavyweight.

Did he really? At heavyweight. Lost to Fabrizio Verdum on points. That's incredible. At heavyweight. At heavyweight. Gi, obviously. Yeah. I mean, that's incredible at heavyweight at heavyweight Gi obviously yeah

I mean that's how good Ted Ade was I mean this guy fought for the non-jiujitsu people fought around 170 pounds schooled Marcel Garcia in the world I think 2003

2004 was it really yeah killed him with a Gi so that's a perfect example this guy I've seen Jeff Glover

school heavyweights with a Gi you know amazing it's very different when you take that Gi off yeah that's why a lot of guys like you know the gi make you technical my friend you know you're gonna train

for mma but you want to train the gi why they want to do that because when they roll with you they could still wrap you up your brazilian jiu-jitsu your brazilian accent is is incredible by the way it's not bad my friend but it's normal i around, you know, do this guy with these guys, you know, Jiu-Jitsu. It's very good. Very true. Cesar Ferreira. Wheel kick. Oh, wheel kick. That was like the Capoeira style.

Just talked about it. Dropped down and put his hands on the ground and everything. Andrew Craig looks very V for Vendetta. He does. He's doing the wrong thing, though, is when Ferrer's throwing the wild techniques, he's freezing. Craig's kind of looking at it. That's the time to get on the guy. Straight shots.

Yeah, straight shots. And right now he's seeing the funky techniques and freezing. He's looking at it. He's still got a lot of growing to do. It's hard for a guy who's getting into MMA late in life with no expertise in anything. It's one thing if you're like a Crow Cop guy that was a high-level kickboxer, enters into MMA, and then we get to watch the transition. But these guys that are learning everything as they go along.

Do you think you could date a girl like Ronda Rousey, Jimmy Smith, if you were a single guy? Date? Let's do some definitions here. I use the word date. I could date a lot of people. We're being nice. We're being nice here. Could I date?

Yes. Could that be your girlfriend? Do you think you'd handle that? Crazy? Well, it's weird. I tend to attract a lot of crazy women. No way. Yeah, no way.

I don't believe it. Everybody in this room. Yeah, seriously. Whatever do you mean? It's not even my fault. Yeah, if chicks aren't crazy, I'm not interested. But, yeah, seriously. What are we going to talk about?

I'm crazy. If you're not crazy... Yeah, if you're not at least a little nuts. This is not going to work out. Let's just talk right now. Good front kicks to the body by Ferreira. Oh, nice. I cut him up.

Beautiful. Sliced him up. Nice one. Nasty cut. And it's right up. Oh, beautiful takedown. Yeah, he's strong as fuck. That's a big boy.

He is large. He's huge for 185. It's almost hard to believe when you stand next to him that he makes that weight. Wow. Because I weigh 185. So how's that guy 185? It doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, you're way bigger than me.

Gander's fucked up, man. He's really bloody. That is something a lot of people ask me. I've been in the sport since about 2001-ish. 2000, I guess. He's really bloody. That is something a lot of people ask me. I've been in the sport since about 2001-ish. 2000, I guess. Hey, what's changed the most? I go, weight cutting.

Guys are so much bigger than they used to be. It used to be pretty much just wrestlers did that. Now everybody does it. Dude, Andrew Craig is a mask of blood. That is bad. And it's right over the eye, which is a bad place to get cut. Well irrigated. He's trying to get back up.

And Cesar's got his back. Defend that left hook. Oh, son. I never have. So I'm going to ask you, Ian, have you ever had a cut roughly that nasty in a fight? No. Never? No.

I always wonder if there's just, because it never really bothered me getting hit, and I never really got cut that bad. you see, because you don't see what we're seeing you don't know where it is, you don't know exactly how deep it is, you can't see it and suddenly my eyes are full of blood it's just, that's got to be a moment where you go, oh shit because that's a bad one, because you don't know how bad it is

I still have stitches in my eye in practice yeah, but I just, bam, and then I was looking at the ceiling just like, and all I heard was, God damn it, Chris. God damn it. This kid, this Japanese kid who was just a freaky athlete, good, and just jumped knee me in the face when I was shooting and just blasted my eye open.

It was just like, I'm surprised it hasn't opened. It's still got stitches in it. You can feel them. So they did dissolve? It's one of those. No, this was a long time ago. They never took them out? You just never got them pulled out?

No. I guess I just. You're supposed to do that. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. It was because I was fighting soon and then. Just left him in there.

Yeah. By the way, Fer has got a nice red naked, but he can't extend his back. Because he's up against the fence. Because he's trapped up against the cage. Yeah. That's a real problem. Can't put his hips into it. Yeah.

That's the benefit of the ring. Oh, now he's got it. Now he might be in trouble. I can extend. Well, Andrew's actually scooting back. That body triangle sucks a fat dick,

doesn't it? Formiga had me on, had me with that for the first round of our fight. Worst feeling. And he just, I couldn't get him off.

Like, it was impossible. The worst is when a guy's got your back and your belly down and that body triangle's locked in. Sucks. Brutal.

Tony Freakland. Yeah. Tapped out to that. Ivan Salvery got him. Another great example of that is Anderson Silva beat Hayato Sakurai

and had a bi-challenge who's beaten the dog shit out of him in Shuto for the old school fans. He's switching it up. That was a long time ago, man. Ferreros keeps trying

but Andrew Craig has not given up. I mean, a minute 40 Sakurai's one of my favorites of all time. All time. Dude, I love Hayato Sakurai. That old school highlight.

Yep. Awesome. Love it. Den it. Den it. He's just cartwheeling over the guard and shit. That was a fight

that I was bummed out at when he fought Gomi in Pride And he came out with his leg all mummified up And he knew he was fucked up He knew he was injured going into that fight And he always got screwed with that head and arm throw he'd try Like Innocent Silva If you slip, you get your back taken

And he did that against Gomi, he did that against Silva The Japanese, they go out there to die I mean, they are savages It was before I ever even worked savages. I was ringside. It was before I ever even worked for the UFC. I was cage side when Matt Hughes fought him in the UFC. And that was when it was evident the difference between a guy who cuts weight and is a big, strong wrestler and a guy who doesn't.

Sakurai just did not belong in there with Matt Hughes. Yeah. Matt Hughes just mauled him. He was just too big and too good at the time. Look at this. Hanging on with that. Oh! Oh, my God! He might have him Oh! Oh my goodness! Head kicked him!

This would be crazy! Cesar, he's fucked up! He's fucked. Andrew Craig is game as fuck. Oh, he tagged him with that right hand! He cannot see the punches coming. He can't see the right hand. He cannot see the punches coming. He can't see the right hand.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Craig can't let off the gas now. He will lose the fight. He gave him a pint of blood back there when he was sitting down. Oh, he tagged him again. He's got to finish him. You've got to finish him. Jump on him.

There we go. Keep landing that fucking right hand. Ferrer can just jump guard right now. He might just flop and jump guard. He'll make it. Ready to wing that right hand. Look at this. Didn't do it.

He's like, here it comes. Here it comes, bitch. Didn't pull the trigger in time. Wow. I don't know. Wow. That's interesting. Wow.

You know, the cut is one thing, but you get past the cut. Who did more damage? Yeah. You know? I mean, other than the cut, it is a nasty cut. But he also threatened with rear naked. Not really.

It never looked like it was close. That was the closest. That head kick and those combinations. That's an interesting case as far as judging a round. If I was going to judge that round, I think I would be inclined to give it to him. Because he head kicked him, had him rocked,ed chasing him he was way closer to being ended than a guy defending the back you know guys guys defend the back for a whole round and they're fine the next

round he's not fine he got fucked up you know he got head kicked he got cracked but that's that highlights the real problem with a 10 point must boxing boxing system being used in MMA and not being even used correctly. Well, the problem is that the equal criteria, according to most of them, is effective striking and effective grappling. Well, effective grappling doesn't cut a guy up, doesn't leave a lot of marks. Effective striking, guys on roller skates, it's way easier to see. So judging-wise, it's very difficult to deal with. Really difficult. It's true. Very true. I've seen guys get schooled.

That's the great thing about jiu-jitsu when we train it. You can go with a world champ and all you do is tap a lot. If you go 10 rounds with Malapet, you're gluing your limbs back together. Even in sparring. With grappling, that's a great part of it. I just got pinned a lot. It was unfortunate, but you're okay the next day.

That's what I tell all these little, because we have these two brothers from the Art of Jiu-Jitsu that train, do strength and conditioning with me, and I'm like, stick with Jiu-Jitsu. Don't get beat up for a living. Don't have to worry about getting punched. Hopefully your sport will start making you some money. Well, stick with that. They're like, we don't want to get punched. I'm like, good.

If you don't desperately want to fight MMA, you definitely shouldn't fight MMA. You just shouldn't do it. It's got to be something that is an obsession to you. And if it's not an obsession to you, avoid it at all costs, man. They're just nice little surfer kids who are like 8 or 10. And they're just like, yeah, we just want to do Jiu-Jitsu and surf. There you go. There you go.

Sounds beautiful. Cesar Ferreira. I thought he deserved it. Yeah. Very interesting. I don't think he's going to remember that last round, though. No. Very interesting.

Good fight. It shows how tough Andrew Craig is, man. Seriously. Tough as fuck. Oh, they're showing the kick. Oh, no, they're not. That's just a straight left that took him down. Yeah, again, move of the fight is all the guy who won.

There's that elbow. God damn, that was perfect. That was beautiful. That was like you hit him with a razor blade. Look at that. Perfect. Take down. And here's just power and technique.

Look at this. Rotation of the body. Clear the legs. There's some core strength, son. Boom. And you see that gash is immediately pouring. It's like a glop of blood landed on his shoulder. Amazing.

Who's like, out of all-time favorite fighters to watch, who's like your all-time favorite fighter to watch? I think my all-time favorite fighter to watch is Hayato Sakurai. He was like my favorite. Fighting in Shuto, love watching that guy. Love watching him. I think Prime Vandele is mine. Yeah, Prime Vandele is great. Prime V that guy. Love watching him. I think Prime Vanderlei is mine. Yeah, Prime Vanderlei is great.

Prime Vanderlei was so fucking crazy. He was so wild. Smiling and stomping on people. You know what I used to love when he would do this thing? Oh, don't. The beginning of the fight. Loosen up the wrists. Oh, fuck yeah, man.

He was so mad dog. Like when he fought Rampage, those two fights with Rampage. Yeah. He was so mad dog. Just mad dog. You need him 50 times, man. Oh, he was so mad dog. Like when he fought Rampage, those two fights with Rampage. Yeah. He was so mad dog. Just mad dog. Need him 50 times, man. Oh, he was so crazy. Ugh.

It was so fun to watch him, man, when he was at his best. He was just so ferocious. So ferocious. You know, it was funny. Like Phil Barone was talking about it once. And he was like, fucking let everybody do fucking steroids. He goes, I want to see Chustov Vandele back when he was in pride, when he was at his best.

I was laughing, but I was like, part of me agrees with that. As a fan, just a fan of the spectacle of Vandele Silva, of Crow Cop, of the guys when they were at their best, that was fun to watch. Vandele in his prime was fun to watch. Who knows what he was actually on? I'm just assuming. We're just guessing. We're not medical professionals here.

We all know that people take things. I mean, there's a reason why this Chael Sonnen news is out. There's a reason why it's not that surprising. It's not like, you know, it's... Not the first thing he's cheated with. People take things. They just do. And especially when you talk to a guy like Ensign who tells you that no one got tested

and that the fucking contract said, we will not test you for steroids. And then in Brazil, you can get steroids the same place you get gum. Yeah. I mean, take a pack of gum, some fucking horse steroids. Go ahead and throw that in there, too. Something with a horse on the label. You mean that? Ooh, Calvin Gaslam and Nico Mussoke.

He's gotten so good. Fuck yeah. Gaslam is striking. Footwork is fucking awesome. Give me that. Ooh, Calvin Gaslam and Nico Mussoke. He's gotten so good. Fuck yeah. Gaslam's striking. Footwork is fucking awesome. Ridiculous. The looseness of his striking, his boxing against Rick Story

was really, really impressive. But, fucking kid's struggling to make weight and Mike Dolce is a motherfucker, dude. Mike Dolce

took a picture because after he lost, he didn't make weight again and they asked him why he stopped using Dolce. He said, because Dolce took a picture because after he lost, he didn't make weight again. And they asked him why he stopped using Dolce. He said because Dolce was too expensive. So Dolce took a picture of him making weight easy at 170. And then he wrote hashtag worth every penny, which is fucked up. It's true.

But there's Musoke. I've never seen this kid. Oh, he's good, man. Yeah, I saw him for the first time last year. Kelvin Gaslam, though. I'm wondering what it's going to be like with him coming off of that loss or coming off of that weight cut. Because that's a hard weight cut that he didn't make.

He didn't make it. But promotionally, and once again, man, if you're getting into this game, promotionally it makes you so hard to deal with. It makes you very, they hate that. I mean, they hate that with a passion. It's very hard to promote a guy who doesn't make weight. It's how much do we put behind this guy? I don't know if he's going to get on the scale and make it.

It can really, really kill your career. It ruins the relevance of a fight. Ruins it completely. Yeah. don't make it yeah it can really really kill your career it ruins the relevance of a fight ruins it completely yeah well we we didn't we talked about a little bit before but is there a way that you can have guys weigh in the day of the fight is there i mean my thought i had a crazy idea it's not a good idea but you could have an understudy like you like you know how they do at broadway like if a guy gets hurt the show must go on they have a guy who actually knows the role and he'll take the place

if a guy gets sick or something like that like if a guy does not weigh in at a specific amount the day of the fight commentators don't have those by the way

we gotta get on there whether we have a voice or not yeah we don't get drug tested either though I wouldn't do so good in that I had a couple issues with that. God damn it. You want to get me to retire?

Implement drug testing for MMA commentators. Joe, immediately retire. That's a wrap, son. It's been great. I'm out. Sorry. It's been great, but it's over. He fought Sakara.

That's who Musoke fought. Yeah. I saw him in Manchester. He caught him in an arm bar, actually. It was a great fight up until that, too. It was a ridiculous fight. So understudies. So the guy doesn't make weight. The other caught him in an armbar, actually. It was a great fight up until that, too. It was a ridiculous fight. So understudies, so if the guy doesn't make weight, the other guy steps in. Yeah.

So the guy doesn't get any of his purse. He gets no money if he doesn't make the weight. So you keep guys from doing stupid shit, like trying to lose 30 pounds in a day, which we've all seen. We've all seen. I saw Travis Luter. I've never seen a guy closer to death that went on a fight. Never saw a guy look so bad.

Travis Luter came in way overweight and tried real hard to make it. But the first time, he was like two and a half over. And then he couldn't lose anymore. He tried really hard. But he was so drawn out. The Silva fight, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So it was a non-title fight. And then he got stopped. He got caught in a triangle and got elbowed He came close to winning that Got full mount in the first round I remember that going god damn Travis Luter was a motherfucker He was one of those Texas strong dudes

Texas tough guy dudes Who learned Jiu Jitsu and got really fucking good I remember him taking tournaments out here Charles McCarthy Charles McCarthy who I really respect Did he beat Huron Gracie. Charles McCarthy, who I really respect. Did he beat Huron Gracie? Really? Huron or Henner?

Because it's a big tournament out here, and he ended up winning it. Luter ended up winning it. And I know Huron and Henner were in it. I think he beat one of them. I talked to Charles McCarthy. He was on the Ultimate Fighter. Please look that up and confirm whether I'm ready or not. McCarthy said it was like rolling with Laborio.

He said he's fucking good. And that's an incredible compliment. Saying that he's like rolling with,io. He said he's fucking good. And that's an incredible compliment. Saying that he's like rolling with, I'll put up Travis Luter. Travis Luter jiu-jitsu. Yeah, it was like an invitational out here. He was a motherfucker, dude. He was a motherfucker.

He just, he gets trained too long with his own people. Took too long before he eventually went to Jackson's. And by then, he wound up losing to Sapo to, what's his name? The guy who Tim Kennedy knocked out in Rafael Natal. Yeah. Remember that guy? Oh, in the fight for the troops? Yeah, fight for the troops.

I don't know if they have this jiu-jitsu record. Rich Franklin beat him up, too. He had a hand on his waist. He just had no gas at all. But he had Rich Franklin down and had him almost in an arm bar. Travis Luter was a motherfucker. He just didn't have good gas. Yeah, Rafael Natal was his last fight.

He got KO'd, and that was 2010. That's what got Natal into the UFC. And before that, he beat Jason McDonald. He was a beast, man. But they cut him after the Rich Franklin fight. Just never quite reached his full potential. Wow, he got guillotined by Matt Lindlund. Matt Lindlund was a

motherfucker, dude. People forget how goddamn good Matt Lindlund was. He was one of those guys who could beat anybody, but, man, his style was just never fan-friendly. Matt Lindlund's never.

Well, I don't know. You know that fan-friendly thing? They say that about Askren, too. To me, if you're a fan, you've got to be fascinated by everything. I'm fascinated by the fact that he could take Douglas Lima down and ragdoll him like that. Ragdoll, dude.

I'm like, what the fuck? What am I looking at? I couldn't believe it. I'm a fan of that, man. I'm a fan of that. You can't say that's not fan-friendly because I was really bummed out when that Askren UFC thing didn't work out.

And when Dana White said that Ambien takes an Askren UFC. I disagree. I think we have to, in order for a title to be legitimate, you have to see how a champion stands up to any and all challenges that are effective. And just because it's not fan-friendly doesn't mean it's not effective. If it's effective, the better guy's going to fucking win. You've got to let them fight any way they want.

The problem is, and guys like us that are hardcore fans of sport, what's hard for hardcore fans to understand is we aren't the target market. Everybody wants the mom and pops of the world watching MMA. Hardcore fans tell me all the time I should appreciate this. I'm a hardcore fan.

It's like they're not after you. They're after the regular Joe. They already have you. No one's trying to get Jimmy Smith and Joe Rogan to watch MMA. We're going to watch it anyway. Yeah, we're doing this for free. We're doing this for free. I'm on vacation watching MMA with Joe Rogan.

You've got to make me do it. Oh, Musoki just tagged him with a right hand. Musoki's been hitting him with some high kicks over and over again, just into the forearms. But you both know, man, forearms are not designed to take fucking hard, more than high kicks. That sucks. Why don't you just take a bat and swing it at my...

Yeah. People who see it at home, though, they go, oh, I blocked that. No, he's hurt. Like, that shit hurts like hell. That's why I think I kick so much. And it keeps you from punching. Your arms are fucked up for a while. Like, for a few seconds, you don't want to throw a punch with that arm

because it's not feeling so good. You don't want to punch. You don't want to move. You don't want to move your leg. Robbie Lawler and Ellenberger, right off the bat, makes him check three or four of those with the forearms. He blocks them, but goddamn, Lawler was slamming those in. And that fucks your arms up.

I see Muay Thai fighters, man, laying in the stories about bathtubs full of ice. You can't even move at the end. And those are ones that you blocked. There was a dude named Shuki Who used to be a trainer at Majuro Gym And he worked with Stan Longinidis Remember when Stan the man Longinidis He broke Dennis Alexio's leg in the first round

Stan had ridiculous power in his leg kicks And Shuki used to hold pads for him And he had to get a hip replacement Because of holding pads For Stan Longinidis Hold that leg pad on the leg And he would just take them on the hip. Boom. Boom.

Why not get a hip replacement? Look at Mussoke and Mimawa. Mussoke and Kelvin are in an epic fucking battle. Kelvin's a beast, dude. I was so impressed when he beat Uriah Hall. Yeah. How much did he miss weight by on this one? Two pounds.

Two pounds. Yeah. Looking for a guill weight by on this one? Two pounds. Two pounds. Yeah. Looking for a guillotine. Oh, nice. Mussoke. Where's Mussoke from? Sweden. Huge wrestling background.

Not. Look at Kelvin. He's got his back. See, he's got to be thinking that Kelvin's fucking worn out from that weight cut. Yeah. Jump on him early. Yeah, he's pushing such a hard pace. Because Kelvin barely made weight on the undercard of the Johnny Sanchez or Johnny Hendricks fight.

The Johnny Hendricks-Robbie Lawler fight. He was one of the ones that also struggled to make weight. Barely made it. But again, looked like he was on fucking death's door. And that was back in Dallas. And when you think about, you you know if you're not around the fight world a whole lot if you think about everything you're losing for that two pounds that should be an indication about physically hard what you've gone through that you're like

two pounds I'm out yeah I just 20 percent of his purse 20 percent of your fucking purse to walk away and just go I just can't do this and it goes to your opponent how much that fucking sucks it goes to the guy. How much that fucking sucks. It goes to the guy who's beating your ass right now. It's just, imagine how hard those last 10 pounds were. They were awful. Yeah. Good control.

Both hooks in, man. Real good control. Yeah, Calvin, who knows how he's feeling right now. Because if he actually missed the weight and just gave up, he must have been really fucking hurting. Yeah, Calvin, who knows how he's feeling right now. Because if he actually missed the weight and just gave up, he must have been really fucking hurting. Yeah, really trying. Look at that fight night. The Donald Cerrone, Jim Miller, that fight's coming up.

That's going to be good. That's going to be great. That's another one that makes my hands sweaty. Nico's, like I said, he's from Sweden. One of Gustafson's buddies. He's very well-rounded, man. Super aggressive, too. What do they start with over there, martial art-wise?

I think MMA. I mean, I don't think they have, like, I mean, I'm sure they have karate schools, and I'm sure they have some Muay Thai, but they're just, they're not, they don't have a wrestling background in their educational system. No. I tried to explain to somebody, and I think I may have said it on air to Bellator one time. I said, America, it's generally wrestling. Europe, they like kickboxing.

Brazil is jiu-jitsu. That's generally the base people start out with. Europe, kickboxing you can make a living at. They have slam. They have a lot of good promotions out there. Generally, if they're from Europe, kickboxing is where they start out. Sophie's doing a great job with that left butterfly. Keep it.

Oh, look. Kelvin turns him over, and he's on top. 15 seconds to go, though. You've got to do some damage if you want to win this round. You can't just let him hold on to you. Huh. And he will. Yeah.

Kelvin's not getting anything off here oh good right hand nice nice punch at the bell yeah yeah europe generally and sambo man it's amazing how many sambo guys are fucking starting to trickle into mma now and just dominate those russians are the dagestanis. Yeah, the Dagestanis, man. Frightening. That is a hard place. Fuck. That is a hard place with hard men. When Shabalat Shamalaya was going to fight Pat Kern for the belt, Pat Kern goes, hey, man, you know, they have to kill me to take this belt away. And he looked right at him and goes, sure, I'm from Dagestan.

It was hilarious. It was like, i forget what it was well they were what they were talking about he goes you know someone's have to kill me to take my belt like the general american yeah he goes sure dagestan happens all the time you know he made some joke about you don't know where i'm from bro yeah killing somebody for something is nothing dude that was some scary shit that's the ultimate you don't know where i'm from you don't know where i'm from man from one of the worst places on earth to grow up and live yeah i mean you could live in africa in the jungle with you know leopards and shit it'd probably be worse but not much not a whole lot yeah i mean you've seen the every guy

they interviewed was like had fucking cauliflower ear yeah like and the guy was like he's like it's not that we're terrorists he's like you killed you killed my brother. You kill my brother, I'm going to fucking kill you. And he had fucking gnarly ears. I was like, that is what you're doing. You're pissing off a country full of wrestlers. Kelvin looks so good on his feet, so light on his feet. And that's something that he started getting after the Ultimate Fighter. But again, Musoki keeps landing that right kick over and over and over again

into the southpaw. Oh, nice. Oh, Calvin with a good straight left. Oh, good combination. Right hook and a straight. Oh, nice uppercut. You know, I think Calvin thinks he hurt Nico at the end of that round. Those couple shots.

He's jumping on him. Yeah, good kick to the body. Oh, fuck. He's all over him. Got to get off the fence. Problem is he's getting against the fence. His feet are squaring up. Calvin is a fucking monster, man. That's a tough kid.

It's just, for me, it's a matter of him being healthy at this weight. I think he can't do it if he uses a guy like Dolce. He's gotta diet better because you can just look at him and be like, yeah, he could lose some pounds. I see a good five, six pounds there. Yeah. Yeah, just get with Dolce, bro.

Pay him the money. It ain't 20%, okay? Yeah, that's a good point. You lost 20% of your purse. Pay Dolce. He knows his shit. Yeah. He gets everybody on weight.

Everybody. And they look great. How about Tiago Alves? He had Tiago Alves, 170 pounds the day before the weigh-in. And looked smaller. Looked like he lost a little bit of muscle but man a great gas tank moved well and that's the difference it's like do you want to go tyron woodley where you're so big that you know you're super explosive for like a minute and a

half two minutes three minutes i think psychologically a lot of times for fighters it's kind of a security blanket to be big and swole and they don't feel like they'll be able to win without it it's kind of a security blanket to be big and swole, and they don't feel like they'll be able to win without it. It's more like the confidence of being the bigger, stronger guy, but it's not worth the tradeoff a lot of times. Yeah, it's not worth it. It really is. Losing your gas is the scariest thing ever. Oh, that's the worst.

You have another person trying to beat you to death, and you're tired. Beat you to death. Like, if there wasn't a ref in there, that person could kill you. Yeah, exactly. No one would save him. There's a great story of George Foreman, Muhammad Ali,

when they were fighting in Zaire. And it's like, you know, the seventh or eighth round, it's almost over. And he goes, I had nothing left. And he goes, I hit Ali with a good one,

a good body shot. And I heard him go, is that all you got? And I remember thinking, yeah, that's about it. And it's that moment of going, all right, ah, fuck, I'm out of gas. That's the worst feeling. Oh, Kelvin's all over him again. Yeah that's about it And it's that moment of going Ah fuck

I'm out of gas that's the worst feeling Oh Kelvin's all over him again Beautiful combination Knee hit him with an elbow Caught him on the elbow with that foot though That would have hurt Oh another one to the body Good blocking too

Kelvin has improved so much And changed so much in the way he moves That's, oh nice, step off to the side And throw that left kick to the body His footwork's good, that's what's setting everything up He's cutting enough angles that he can't see it coming He's also light on his feet Which is a rarity in MMA

That's a really important thing To have that mobility that you see so often In boxing and karate And a lot of other martial arts But in MMA, so many guys are trying to like muay thai it stand flat foot and or wrestling wrestling's very flat-footed yep yeah the the accuracy rate on a hundred percent punch is so slim compared if you land four fifty percent shots yeah yeah you get someone you know wobbled yeah and and the footwork that you're able to achieve by being light on your feet, like the TJ Dillashaw

Hennon-Burrall fight where he's so light on his feet that Hennon-Burrall never had a stationary target to load up on. Yeah. All those spinning kicks, he was always pivoting on the same side. Yep, he was always pivoting on the same side. He was following him like an elevator door or like one of those

revolving doors. Yeah. Just get in it, follow the door calvin's all over him though this is all let him off the fence either this is the kelvin gaslam round man he's put a beating on nico so put to rest any thoughts about him being completely diminished by the way cut he's obviously got a lot in his fucking tank man and n Nico's exhausted. He's getting broke right now. That's the thing that they used to not test for EPO,

which is kind of hilarious. Because the boxing commission, they would say that boxing is not an endurance sport, so you don't have to test for EPO. Yeah. Spoken like someone who's never done it before. They're That dumb, and they're a part of the commission that's judging what gets passed and tested for. Maybe it was like EPO was too expensive to test for. EPO, they developed a test in, I want to say 2000 for EPO for the first time.

And that's what Lance Armstrong was doping with. Shane Mosley got popped for it. Shane Mosley got popped for it. Shane Mosley got popped for it. Yeah, they found some old blood of his. They're like, hey, let's give this a shot. Oh, it looks like you got some weird blood, dude. That's 50% more blood cells than a normal person's blood. Hmm, how weird.

This has turned out to be a good fight, though. Very good. Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do if they do wind up testing everybody and they find out that the roster is just overrun with people that are on everything. Yeah. You know, if they can test. You said there's too many people in MMA. I didn't really say it.

That's a good way to call the herd, my friend. I was asking. I was asking. What do you, I mean, what do they do? What do they do if they find out like 60% of the people? They cut 60% of the people? Now, how, if they start this procedure, how long does it take to get out of your system? Like, how long will they?

It's a good question. That's the question is, if everybody cut now. Someone's already got it figured out. It's too late, yeah. There's some fucking guy out there that knows his shit, you know, and it's like... I was listening to the Balco guy talk about it.

It's like there's always someone a step ahead because someone's still got to sell all that shit and figure everything out. So it's, you know, I guarantee everything's already being very well planned. I wonder. I wonder if there's a new thing that they can take now that you can't test for. Dopers are always ahead of the system.

Always. They have to be. By definition, they are. Because people have to do things. That is the system. That is the system. People do stuff. They do stuff that's illegal, and the testers figure it out and catch them.

But they're always lagging behind. It was originally made EO for leukemia patients. That would have trouble keeping their red blood cell count up. So it never occurred to them that somebody would take that in order to help their endurance, and then they started taking it, and now they had to make a test for it. So that's the cycle. They make it for something, and then someone figures out how to cheat with it, and then they figure out how to catch them.

The people who are trying to catch the people are always at the end of the process. I'm ignorant as to how it's all done, so I don't know whether or not this is a stupid question. But is there a point in time where they run out of things? There's no more things that you could add to the human body that they haven't already discovered. So there's no more things that you could add that they can't test for. Like the clear stuff. Part of what we had that guy on the podcast, Victor Conte, and he was talking about the whole Balco scandal.

And what I found really interesting about it was that he just had altered some stuff and made it so it was not within their testing parameters but still effective. At a certain point in time, do they run out of those variations? I don't know. I find it hard to believe. Michele Ferrari, who was a doctor who dealt with Lance Armstrong and helped him through his tour de France, which of course helped him dope,

was asked one time, have we seen the limits of of human endurance or the capacity for human endurance and he turned to the guy and he laughed and goes we're nowhere near it so it's i mean they're always going to come up with something it's just it's going to be the cycle for years what i hear though is genetic engineering and i hear things like myostat whoa whoa high kick myostatin inhibitors and all the different shit that they're inevitably going to come up with down the pipe.

But I wonder if, like, they're going to be able to come up with new steroids. Because I think genetic engineering is a completely different ballgame. Completely different. But, no, also think about it.

I mean, will there be a cure for cancer? Yeah. We can sit here and go, yeah, eventually. So they've got to come up with something. Right.

It's like saying, will there be new steroids? Will there be new medical advances for other things? Yeah. Then there are going to be new ways to improve the human body. And I think we'll be playing this game probably the rest of our lives. I wonder. Until they have robots doing this shit.

Until it's like the Fox intro in real life. The Fox intro. I hate those fucking robots. I know you do. I had to bring that up. I hate those fucking robots i know you do i had to bring that up hate those fucking robots this isn't football goofy they're picking up robots and slamming what looks like a transformers commercial well that movie remember that movie that uh robot jocks well which one uh the fucking wolverine guy yeah was in it jackman jackman yeah there was robot fighters? He put the gloves on. It was so scary.

Who fucking funded that movie? I don't know. That shit is so terrible. Oh, Kelvin threw a kick and fell. Another slip. A lot of slipping in this fucking octagon, man, especially with logos. Do you find a difference in certain logos being more slippery than others? Oh, yeah.

Yeah? It's a different surface, but, I mean, i mean you're you i get this weird heightened sensation in my feet when i'm out there moving and like i just step on that that canvas i'm like oh i got a boner in my feet it's all tingly and i'm just dancing you know i just feel this fucking it's it's a weird but yeah you do feel a definite especially if there's blood on it blood is the body's best lubricant. You know, like that's fucking, that shit gets on something. Yeah, very slippery.

It's why it's interesting when guys get cut, it actually makes them easier to choke. Way easier. Slide things under their chin easier. This is a good fucking fight. Calvin's coming out strong. Nice body shots. Woo. Whipped that right hand of the body.

And that's what I mean. Guys cook. They make these horrible cuts. And they perform great. It's just hard to... It's like, come on, motherfucker. He's got to perform great. His back's up against the wall.

The UFC fucking hates it when guys miss weight. I mean, Bellator hates it too. This is his second or third. They hate it. I don't think he missed weight last time. He made it. He just needed a second attempt. No, I know he didn't.

I was there. But this is his first. We fought at 185 on the show. And so he's fighting at 170 here. He's a 170. He can make 170, but he's got to do it more correctly and with more discipline. Oh, high kick.

But he's still a bad motherfucker, dude. He is. Those two high kicks in a row, sweet. And he still has good footwork from the beginning of the fight to the end of the fight.

Good footwork. Very good. Yeah, light on his feet. He's keep racking that thing. Yeah, whoo. And they're exchanging them back and forth. Something big in fighting.

Don't set a pace you can't keep. Don't do something in the first round you can't do in the third round. Great fucking fight. He kept it up all three rounds. Yeah, whoo. And they were exchanging them back and forth. Something big in fighting. Don't set a pace you can't keep. Don't do something the first round you can't do in the third round. Great fucking fight. He kept it up all three rounds. Yeah, he did. And Musoki didn't. Interesting fight, man.

Interesting fight. I wonder who got that. I think that's the one that goes through my head the most in a fight is don't stop moving. Don't stop moving. Don't stop moving. I kicked. I landed 43 leg kicks, I think. I think Ariel Hawane said in that last fight. That was just legs. I kicked him in the body kicks I think I think area Hawani said last fight that was just legs

I kicked him in the body in the head a little bit, but I mean I landed 43 I mean the whole time I was just going yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I landed one every 20 seconds I was always thinking if I'm hitting him he's not hitting me Yeah, like if I just keep hitting him make a miss to make a mess man. It's always you keep it up Yeah, keep keep doing up. Keep doing that. Angles and footwork. What is the best thing for strength and conditioning? Is there any one thing?

Is it fight training or is strength and conditioning just as important as fight training when it comes to that? With the way the athletes are in this sport now, strength and conditioning is huge. We just kind of started putting it out on the internet. We have these 50-gallon barrels. You know, my coach, Corey Beasley at Fight Camp Conditioning. You know who John Brookfield is? He's the guy who started the ropes and the towels and all this shit. Oh, he started all that stuff?

He's got the world's strongest grip. He's just some little walrus who pulls trucks and shit. But he's kind of given this barrel idea to Corey. He's got the world's strongest grip. He's just some walrus who pulls trucks and shit. He's kind of given this barrel idea to Corey. You put 500 pounds of sand in a big plastic barrel and you push and pull and kind of roll it. You can check it out on my Instagram, Uncle Creepy MMA. You just roll this thing back and forth. I've never had something make me so strong in my entire life.

But I mean, obviously besides wrestling, but there's not, you can't, you can't, you can't not have the training drilling. You have to drill something 10 that you want to master. And then you have to drill it for 10,000 hours. It's true.

You know, you have to do everything and we've got so much to try and master that. But that sounds crazy. So you're, you're grabbing this giant barrel and what are you specifically trying to do with it think about from a clinch you know how like johnny hendrix huge though right can you even get your arms around it no no there's a top on it okay and then you sit there and you you grab it and you grab it here and you twist it so you've got 500

pounds that you're twisting back and forth core or you're pushing and pulling and all the muscles throughout the whole part of it are i mean the first couple times you do it you're like holy shit wow i don't think i've ever used these muscles before let me pull it up for you it's it's fucking yeah i'm trying to find it i'm on your instagram right now calvin gaslam wins the decision it's uh now give that money to dolce son son. Yeah. Call Dolce. You got a cool picture of your daughter getting into the cryo thing. That's adorable. You got it? Oh, he's got it up here.

Here, pull it up. Give it to us in large size. There we go. And there's a video of it, too. I didn't see the video. I just saw the picture. And so that's 500 fucking pounds. Yeah, that's the sand.

There's one of water, too, that's... Oh, my God. Where's the video there's one of water too that's um oh my god where's the video uh it's a little bit down how far um how long ago did you put it up a couple weeks a couple weeks ago are you a daily instagrammer guy yeah i'm an instagram whore but i you know i don't i don't run uh i'm there is other people that do post things on my instagram my facebook my twitter so if i don't fucking say thanks for... If people fucking send me private messages all the time and I don't... Right.

I have a real hard time keeping up with those. This hip workout you're doing is giving me some wood, bro. I'm not even going to lie about it. Like, not even... That's, you know... Granted, my girlfriend only weighs like 95 pounds. Check it out, Joe. I'm passing the wood on to you.

Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. It's manwood, though. I'll split you in half. It's not gay. It's totally different. It's manwood. Check it out, Joe. I'm passing the wood on to you. Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. It's manwood, though. I'll split you in half. It's not gay. It's totally different. It's manwood.

It's wild, man. It's MMA wood. So this is just a sequence that you go through. Wow. This hip escape thing that you're doing with the weight on you, how much weight is that? I don't know. It looks like a lot of weight. Yeah, you got to, I don't know.

I don't remember. It's three plates, right? Oh, it's up there. I don't know. It's a lot of weight. I'm kind of, I don't know. I've gotten kind of strong. three plates, right? Oh, it's up there. I don't know. It's a lot of weight. I don't know. I've gotten kind of strong. I love how you say it like, psst, whatever.

I don't even know, dude. You can do it. I've been doing it. Don't even know, bro. I've been working with Corey for a long time. Don't even know. He tells me what to do. It looks like a 45, two 35s, and a 25.

What is that? One 45 on each side is one 35. Is that two5s? It is, right? 235s and 25s? That's a lot of fucking weight, son. That's a lot of weight. And that's a normal Olympic barbell, right?

Yeah. Jesus Christ, kid. That's got to be really good for your fucking back. Your back and core must be tremendously strong. Yeah. It's fun. And it's something that we're trying to... Everyone everyone's into crossfit and crossfit school or whatever but well what is crossfit yeah you know cross training yeah it's just a bunch of different

types of exercise exactly it's you know it's what i like to do and i've gotten good at it and we've kind of built a system and um but yeah and again the barrels is the toughest thing that i've never felt something make me so strong. That's wild. I love that thing that you're doing up there with the weight, too, because that lifting the hips up like that, first of all, must drastically increase your ability to send it home on a check. Right? Dude. We're all thinking it. Who fucks harder than Uncle Creepy?

We're all thinking it. Have you seen my girlfriend? Have you seen my girlfriend? You've got to send it in. You've got to keep a gal happy. Ooh, look at this. Next, Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stephens. Five rounds, too, if it goes.

Do you think it'll go five rounds? Oh, no. I don't think so. I don't think it'll go five rounds. Jeremy Stephens rocking a crazy Amish beard. Yeah, it probably won't go five rounds. But that's got to be tremendous for your ground game when it comes to, like, hip escapes and things like that. To have that ability to pop up off the strength of that.

It's amazing. You're fighting guys 125 pounds, and you're doing that with whatever the fuck that was, however much weight that was. That's something that actually I was talking to the Onnit guys about, doing the takeover thing, and then trying to do, instead of like Cub did just him, i was thinking of doing me and strength conditioning stuff because it's all it's on it kind of stuff yeah but uh that that's our that's our our new our thing we say you know just fight cam conditioning it's it's fun and it's you know it actually we it it fucking works obviously yeah i you know if someone weighs 125 pounds i going to fucking send them for a ride. Yeah, I mean, I think what you had there was 325 pounds, wasn't it?

I can text you. Well, let's figure it out because it's 145 plate on each side with an Olympic barbell is 135 pounds, right? Right. And then you add 235s on each side, which is 140 to that. So you have 275. And then you have 225s on that as well so that's another 50 pounds yeah so that's 325 pounds that's fucking crazy that's a lot of goddamn weight to fuck you know if you had a big girl on top of you she's like motherfucker you can't send it in dude

just lifting her up While you're fucking From the bottom She'd be like Damn that little white boy Fucked me right I just I don't know why

I made her a black check I don't know why I just thrown that in there They get that big I just automatically Think they're black That's just what I think I let my dick do all the work

I don't know you guys That need all these weights and shit Listen You know Sometimes Sorry That's not what I'm saying I'm not all dick

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while balancing. He'll do, like, weightlifting stuff while he's standing on balls and stuff, you know, like those, what are those balls? Medicine balls?

They're not medicine balls. No. Balance balls? Plyo balls, whatever you call them. But he does all that stuff, like he'll stand on half balls and do kettlebells. Everything he does, he's doing with balance. Jeremy Stephens is a motherfucker, though.

That kid is hard. He hits so hard. Heavy-handed, man. He hits hard. He hits hard. And he hit hard as a lightweight. He kept all that power going to 45, and that's a rare thing. Well, he's healthy.

He's doing it real good. Alliance is a serious fucking team, man. And he fucking knocks people out of there all the time. Does he really? Yeah, he's a fucking, he's a lot of fun to hang out with, but he's a fucking savage in the gym. Yeah, I would imagine. He's an interesting guy to talk to.

I enjoy talking to him. Smart guy. Yeah, I had him on the podcast. He was great. He's an interesting dude, but his fucking power is redonkulous. But Cub is just so awkward.

Can he deal with the angles and the explosives? That's the question. Cub's a wild man. I would like to see a real match of Cub versus Aldo. Aldo caught him. You can't blink to know that double flying knee. That double knee. Jesus. It is what it is. You know? Yeah. I mean, Aldo caught him. You can't... Blinked him with that double flying knee, man. That double knee.

Jesus. It is what it is. You know, you get hit with that, that's a wrap. Your head's split open. I mean, he covered up immediately. He had a big-ass scar. But I would like to see what would happen if that fight... Well, that was a different Cub Swanson then, too.

I mean, Aldo was at his peak then. He's still... I don't think Aldo has diminished at all. Everyone else has gotten better. Yeah. He's slowed down a little bit because he plays it a little bit more safe because he's got so much to lose. And he's bigger.

He's gotten bigger. Yeah. I don't think the dude wants to go to 155 because if he goes to 155, he's not going to have his title. Title means a lot. Being a world champion means a lot. And as long as he can make the weight, he's not going to have his title. Title means a lot. Being a world champion means a lot. And as long as he can make the weight, it's going to be real hard. Unless they have some sort of a super fight.

Now, if they had a super fight, and it was if I win, I'm the 5-pound champ. If I lose, I'm still the 45-pound champ. I think you'd take that. Yes. I think that's the way to do it. I think that's the way to get him in. But, you know, a guy like Aldo, man, he's a fucking hero in Brazil. He's a hero.

Yeah. He's a huge star. And as a mixed martial artist, man, to be a world champion is where it's at. Yeah. He is a world fucking champion. It's just, that's the one thing, man, that fucking weight cut. He would, if he went 55 once, I don't think he would go 55 again. Really? Because, I mean, he just

seems like he just gets... He would put on too much weight. And then it would just be fucking death to get down. Like it wasn't hard before. Once you taste what it's like to not cut that, yeah, it's hard to get back down again. And if he tasted what it's like to feel good when you're actually inside.

It could be a good change. You never know. It could be, because I think he has a good chance against Pettis. I think he has a good chance in that fight. You know who else has a good chance in that fight? Pettis. Yep. Very good. Very good. That's the problem. Pettis has a good chance, too. That's why it's a great fight. So if Aldo goes up and gets KO'd by

Pettis, you know. But Pettis said he could make 145, man. He said he could make it. Yeah, Pettis is not a huge 55er. No. No, he's not. Fucking slick, man. Jesus. So slick. Really good on the ground, too. He said he could make it. Yeah, Pettis is not a huge 55er. No. No, he's not. Fucking slick, man. Jesus. So slick. Really good on the ground, too.

That's what people sleep on. When he caught Henderson with that armbar, I mean, that was a standard BJJ 101 armbar from the guard. Run on the middle, dude. So quick. But done well. Done perfectly. Nice adjustment.

He changed the angle. He's what, a blue belt, I think, they were saying? I think he's a purple belt. And it was just a fucking basic drilled armbar. It's why they do it that way. That's why we do it like that. Yeah, he's just fast as fuck, man.

He's fast as fuck with everything. But he tore his patella tendon, and he tore his LCL in that fight. Had it all stitched back up and shit. But, you know, that's why he's doing this ultimate fighter with Gil. Give him some time. Yeah, give him some time to heal, get it all back in order, and then eventually fight Melendez for the title, which will be a very fun fight.

Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Gilbert's a fucking beast. But that, you know, Gilbert, that shows you how crazy he is because he could have fought Diego Sanchez in a safe way.

Yeah. He could have just kept Diego at bay. Two Mexicans getting at it. Nope. Nope. That was just,

you know, I mean, it's not being racist. I'm Mexican, my soul is Spanish. Same difference. There's nothing wrong with that. And they just threw down. They're both proud Mexicans. I mean, that's what he said when I interviewed him after the fight. I'm Mexican, my soul is Spanish. Same difference. Nothing wrong with that. And they just threw down.

They're both proud Mexicans. I mean, that's what he said when I interviewed him after the fight. He's like, that's how Mexicans fight. Yeah, it's true.

You go fucking wrestle at Santa Ana High School like I did getting ready for Masters and shit. Those are some fucking, those are some fucking mean kids.

Calvary Chapel. They beat the shit out of each other. Calvary Chapel, Santa Ana, studs. They fuck each other up so bad. That's where Eddie Bravoary Chapel, Santa Ana, Studs. They fuck each other up so bad.

That's where Eddie Bravo grew up. Santa Ana? Yeah. It's a small little place, but there's some rough fucking people there. I'm from Long Beach, man. Fuck. Yeah, you know. I know.

I'm from Newport, motherfucker. You get excited when you hear a Snoop Dogg song. Went to my high school. Did he? Long Beach Poly High School, man. Home of scholars and criminals good ass fucking scholars and criminals all together it's a whole home of scholars and champions but that's not what it good fucking almost causing yeah number one nfl producing

high school in the country really more nfl players went to long beach poly in any other high school in the country that's incredible why is that their football program is fucking amazing yeah it's fucking it's been awesome fucking incredible it's been awesome for a couple decades. It's been awesome for like 30 years. It's been amazing. Wow. 40 years, actually. How wild.

Yeah, and it's an old school. It's been around since like... I was the 100th graduating class. Fuck. Yeah, 1895. Yeah, and growing up in Newport, what is it like being around all those yachts? Is it hard?

Yeah, is it rough, dude? It's really hard, man. All those Mercedes. I had it rough. Bro, everybody had a Mercedes. We had a Lexus. Every time you're in front of it rough, dude? It's really hard, man. I had it rough. Bro, everybody had a Mercedes. We had a Lexus. Every time you're in front of a restaurant, somebody throws you the keys and goes, park where I can see it. Some shit. Only dark dude in Newport.

You just can't trust him. You want to give him your keys, your car, but he's got dark skin. Newport's so pretty. It's beautiful out. South Orange County is the California Riviera. It's the home of white people. Yeah. And you know what?

I live in the southernmost part. Do you? I live in San Clemente now. San Clemente? You're almost in San Diego. It's fucking... San Clemente's the last good family town in Orange County because it's just surfing and family.

And then for anyone my age that wants to be hip and cool and fucking work for a cool company, go live in Costa Mesa. Costa Mesa's a good spot I mean the food there is fucking incredible and there's ass everywhere if you're a guy cha-chao

and just it's a lot of good jobs and cool people no shit well Orange County's pretty badass it's just the traffic is so ridiculous

because LA's so good right well once you get there but once you get there like people just stay there because it's like you can't go anywhere getting from Orange County up to here is a fucking joke.

My dad did it for 39 years. He drove downtown LA from fucking... Uphill both ways. In knee-deep snow. He had no brakes. He had holes in the floorboards. He stuck his feet out Flintstones style. Like the fucking Flintstones.

Had a bunch of built Supras. Did he? Yeah, we owned a fucking Toyota dealership. So he drove up here. Then we had a built Porsche. What's a fucking More reliable car Than a Supra? A fucking 1200 horsepower

On a stock transmission Amazing Those cars I had a I had a Super That was the first Good car I had

Oh that's fucking Incredible And they're still 97 was the last year Of the turbo 98 They still look good too Yeah and it's still

You can get a thousand Horsepower out of those fucking things. And they look great. They're still a cool-looking car. You see a super with that big, crazy wing. Pushing around like a shopping cart. I love that car. Love that fucking car.

Cub Swanson, ready to step into the octagon. God damn, I'm looking forward to this fight. That's going to be a good one. You don't want to see this, right, Ian? You're going to leave. What are you going to do, man? I got to go. Hang out in the lobby? Come on. I'm going to play with fight You don't want to see this right Ian? You're going to leave What are you going to do man? I got to go Hang out in the lobby

Come on I'm going to ride the werewolf Everyone's afraid of it He's fucking fired up I love that movie American Werewolf in London American Werewolf in London is one of my favorite horror movies of all time It's one of the all time greats

It's amazing Remember Silver Bullet? That was a great one too With a young Corey Haim dude With a young Corey Haim, dude. With a young Corey Haim in a wheelchair. Before the drugs. Rest in peace, bro. Lost boys, don't get me started.

We're going to watch fighting. Corey Feldman's holding up the flag. Yep. He is, man. He's keeping it strong. He's keeping the Corys alive. The one Corey that's left. Remember when they were together?

Two Corys doing music. Oh, man. Just like fucking Bill and Ted. Whatever happened to Ted or Bill, whoever the other guy was? Alex Winter is his name. He's in Lost Boys. Those are basically the only two movies he did. I'm serious.

I didn't know that. Those are the only two movies he did. How do you know that? I remember names. That's amazing. His name was Marco in Lost Boys. He was the first vampire that got killed. And he did. I commend you for that. Thank you, sir. Please. That's some. His name was Marco in Lost Boys. He was the first vampire that got killed. And he did...

I commend you for that. Thank you, sir. Please. That's some deep trivia. I come from a trivia family. You just pulled that shit out like you owned it. Directed by Joel Schumacher. That's incredible.

Go ahead. It's just... Directed by who? How the fuck do you know that? Just amazing that that guy... I remember weird shit. That's part of the reason I'm in MMA. Keanu Reeves is one of the biggest actors of all time.

And he was in this big movie with that dude. So you would think, well, both these guys are going to go on to bigger and better things. Alex Winter did not. Separate. Did you ever see his band? Did you ever see Keanu Reeves' band? Dog Star. He was strung out.

He was strung out for a while. He looked like he was playing the bass all fucked up looking. Yeah, he had a band for a while, right? He has so much Matrix money, he didn't know what to do. He started doing band work. He gave me $200 million. What the fuck do I do? I'm going to start a band.

Fuck it. There's a documentary. Jared Leto did a documentary on his issues with being in a band and money. Must be rough. No, no, no. What is it called, Jamie? Huh? Artifact. The movie is called.

We had some huge struggles. Is that the movie about the financial issues? Getting sued? For $30 million. By whom? Record company. Apparently, the way they do math, they do...

I've heard it before. Courtney Love wrote a whole piece on it once about Apparently, the way they do math, like they do... It's just fucking off. Well, I've heard it before. Like, Courtney Love wrote a whole piece on it once about the way they do the accounting. So that you never, it never looks like they've made money. So they never have to pay you. Yeah. Like, the only way you make money is when you're touring. That's when you make money. But record sales go almost entirely to the record company themselves.

And they have their own wacky ways of deciding you know it's like hollywood hollywood what i've heard a lot is is counting is any money they spend on promoting your album they consider a loss and they'll call all these things promotional expenses yeah so it's everybody you're paying basically for everybody who works for the label because that's a proportional expense for your album. I've heard that a lot. That shit is hilarious. I saw them. The first time I saw them, they sounded great. Jared Leto sounded fucking awesome.

Then I saw him with Tahoe, and I think he was trying to sing on his own without auto-tune or something, and it sounded fucking horrible. I left. You walked out. So it was great, and then they were terrible. And they were so bad.

It was awful. When in doubt, use auto- then they were terrible. And they were so bad. It was awful. When in doubt, use auto-tune, son. Okay, here we go. Jeremy Stevens and Cub Swanson. Ooh. Cub is quick, man. That's the good thing about Cub. He's naturally fast.

And he can keep that quickness up for three rounds. The real question is, can he keep it up for five? You know, he's got such an explosion-based style where he leaps in a lot with shit. Jeremy with a good leg kick there. Jeremy hits so fucking hard throughout the entire fight. Everything Jeremy does is heavy. His kicks and his punches are very, very heavy. He's got a very good chin, too.

Very rarely do you see him get stunned. I mean, he got knocked out by Eve Edwards, but Eve just caught him perfect and caught him when he was running in. You know, he was attacking, but Eve just caught him perfect and caught him when he was running in. He was attacking and Eve just timed a right hand, just perfectly placed hook. And that

was what facilitated him going down to 145. He had lost three in a row at that point. Anybody running in to something, shit happens. Like Benavidez and Mighty Mouse. Mighty Mouse, it's very rare

that Mighty Mouse knocked guys out with one punch. But Benavidez just walked into it and boom! He hit me with the same exact punch. I ran into the same shit. Knocked me down. I mean, he didn't knock me out. He's very quick. Very quick. Ridiculously quick. We were talking about Simon Marcus and Joe Schilling. that's a perfect example of that

he just ran out of trying to get that point back because they took a point away from him for the mouth guard and Schilling just caught him perfect there was two in that

Wayne Barrett same thing the guy was chasing after him he caught him in midair with a hook dude that was fucking like watching Duck Hunt yeah

that was ridiculous boom out of boom man yeah literally flying knee out of the sky with a hook i turned to the guy next to me i was like it looks like uh uh what fedor arlovsky man yeah in the air one second down on your face the next exactly that's why the flying knee is so wacky yeah you. You know, Duke Rufus gave perfect commentary on that, too. It's like, you know, you feel like you're immortal. You're just going to flying knee the guy, but you don't realize. Your face is flying towards his fist, too.

So Jeremy's been landing some good, clean right hands. I like his leg kicks, starting early with them. Yeah, hard kicks and hard punches, too. And you can see Cub is well aware that Jeremy's throwing. Ooh, look at this. Fucking slick. I cartwheel with one hand. Yeah.

Because I'm a gangster. He's trying some rolling thunder shit with the round kick. I'm not going to lie, I've been trying that lately. It's kind of fun. I never land it. I just throw it in people's direction. Well, Pettis has been trying that a lot too according to Duke I don't even think

I've ever even brushed anyone's hands I just fucking throw it and they're like what the fuck well you ever see Brian Ebersole throw that cartwheel kick

he loves that rolling thunder kick he does it really well too and he did it in a fight once Ebersole did and they thought it was a fix they were gonna fine him

and they were talking they thought it was a fake fight because they thought that technique wasn fix. They were going to fine him. And they thought it was a fake fight because they thought that technique wasn't real. That's how dumb some of these fucking people that are running these athletic commissions are. It's essentially like a spinning axe kick. That's what it's like.

There's a guy, a Muay Thai guy, Sanjay Sorkingstar, who's incredible. And he'll do that one-handed. I saw him hit a dude in Holland with that. That's where I took it from. Wow. Knock him right back. Jeremy just caught Cub with a nice right hand.

Sunshine's a fucking beast. And he's not built like your average tie. He's short and stocky and just tosses everybody. Crazy fast. Push kicks. So good to watch those high-level ties go out at two. And you see just the fluidity of the kicking technique and the speed of the motions. You just see that next level striking.

Yeah, it's fucking frightening. What I like is Jeremy's throwing hard, you can tell, but he's still on balance. He's not losing his footwork over it. Good kick by Cub there. Yeah. This is a high-level fight, man. And the winner of this fight easily could be the next guy in line at 145. Didn't they say that?

I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying it, but they said to Jeremy that if he won, he could be assured of a child shot or something like that in some interview. But honestly, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. It only means it's – Nice run. Ooh, good right hand by Cobb.

Oh, shit. Oh. Caught the kick Let's see what Cub does off his back it goes right to butterfly Cubs got a fucking black belt man. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he used to coach my nephew Out in Palm Springs guillotine. He's holding on to that neck man Jeremy's gotta be careful if he scoots his butt out scoots his butt out and gets a good grip on that neck. He's passing his right arm through.

What's he doing with his right arm? He's in a position where he can sweep or go over the head for the neck. He's got to watch both. And he keeps scooting his hips back. But I like the way he's holding it. Ew, what are you doing, Fox? What's going on here? Oh, that's the round.

The round's over. What is that? And this is a creepy commercial, too. We were like, if I'm going to look like that, do I really want to begin this sport? Yeah. We're going to turn into a pumpkin after this round. Oh, really? Should we push it?

Yeah. Yeah, we're going to have to. We're three hours in. So this fight must be going long. Is that what's going on? Yeah, it's already 10 o'clock. We've got less than six minutes left on this. Wow. Okay, well, let's shut off going on? Yeah, it's already 10 o'clock. We've got less than six minutes left on this. Wow.

Okay, well, let's shut off and come back on because it's in between rounds. I'll leave the audio on. So the audio will just keep running the way it is. So folks on Ustream, we'll be right back.