The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - June 28, 2014 (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 29, 2014

Jimmy Smith and Ian "Uncle Creepy" McCall join Joe to watch the fight on the evening of June 28, 2014.

All right. Back. We're back. Perfect. Jamie, on point. Right at the time when the round starts. I like how they're doing that when they have like a seven-eighths commercial. Pretty Ronda Rousey.

All right. Second round. Very interesting. Who's better than Herb Dean as a referee? I say no one. That's good. I think he's the best. Big John McCarthy gets a little bossy.

I've seen that happen a few times. The hardest, I gotta bring this up, the hardest one I ever saw was a, I wanna say, Frodo versus Marlon Sandro. There was a nut shot. And John says, I don't think that was that bad. You have two minutes.

And I'm there going, you can't do that. Makes sense. As the commentator, I have to explain that the referee just said something that doesn't make any sense. Thanks, dad. Yeah, that's how you feel. You're like, you can't do that. Jeremy just tagged Cub with a nice right hand.

So that's the knock on Big John. How about the Strauss fight when James Strauss fought Bobby Green? Bobby Green kicked him in the nuts two times, had him hurt bad, then kicked him in the nuts a third time so hard you could hear the cup. You heard the pop. You heard the pop of the cup, and Big John said it was a gut shot and stopped the fight. I think knew that he fucked up but just didn't want to admit it.

That was a mistake. That was just a mistake. I mean, everybody makes mistakes. Yeah. Especially when you're in something like your referee in MMA. I mean, he's still one of my all-time favorites. Yeah, seriously. And he did a great fucking job.

Oh! Good right. Popped him again. Jeremy's a monster, man. He just hit so hard. He smiled at him. Ha ha. And they touched gloves afterwards.

Yeah, Jeremy's power. That fucking power Something you gotta deal with man Ooh and he goes to the body there The problem is If your cup's swanthorn You have to stay busy Cause you gotta outland the guy

You can't go one for one With Jeremy Stevens Well he's doing a lot of thinking And he's thinking a lot Yeah he's gotta do a lot of thinking You got this fucking monster In front of you So that's the problem is

You have to stay busy to outland it but you can't leave a vulnerability for a guy who hits that hard. You just can't. Yeah, and he's quick. Yeah.

Jeremy's not slow and he's a good counter fighter too. He's not just an aggressive guy. He's good at setting shit up. That was a nice inside leg kick. He's really come a long way

since he went to Alliance too. Eric Del Fierro's doing a great job with him. It's just, it's so fucking huge to have good coaching. Yeah. Have you been with Oyama your entire career? No, I started with Chris Brennan, and then I left Chris just to go to Jeremy Wayne. Team Next Generation?

Team NG? Next Generation back in the day. Remember those guys? I was a fucking kid, you know. I just... Oh! Another good right. Cubs in trouble.

He's in trouble. Damn, that was! Another good right. Oh, Cub's in trouble. He's hurt now. He's in trouble. Damn, that was a hard fucking punch. Oh, shit. Holy shit. He's not smiling at this one. No, then he smiles. Yeah, dude, Jeremy Stevens can fucking bang. Wow.

Cub is, he's got to be very careful. He looks alternative now, too, right? Yeah, I would be. Yeah. He's got fucking cracked a couple times. Especially Jeremy at 145, carrying all that power down. Isn't it a weird thing, power? It's like you can't really, you can only teach so much.

You can teach a guy to hit harder, but you can never teach a guy to be like a tommy hearns you either have that shit or you don't see my brother got the power in the family he hits a fucking truck but i just i don't know i didn't get it it's weird isn't it you just either you get it or you don't like a joe oh we tried that cartwheel kick again like a guy like george foreman you can never teach a guy to punch like that. You can either do it or you don't. So strange. Because you can get

a guy stronger. You can lift weights and you can be physically stronger. Like you said, you can take it to a certain degree and teach a guy to really turn over a punch. Stuff like that. But you can never develop a Pino Cuevas left hook. You have that hook because you have that hook.

Yeah, that power carries through technique. Yeah. And once your technique gets better, you just punch fucking harder and better. Yeah. You just get better. But there's certain guys, like, they have that Ronnie Marciano thing. Yeah. Yeah.

That Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott knockout. There's, like, a classic photo. Up against the rope, his arms hanging there. And he's connecting on Walcott's face, and Walcott's face is all distorted. Like, Marciano had that creepy power. That weird thing where guys can just fuck your world up with one shot. And you either have that or you don't. It's weird.

You know, you get great fighters who go their entire career without that one weapon. You know? Jeremy Stevens shoots or gets a takedown, too. That was one of the things that Cormier was talking about in the breakdown, was Stephens should threaten with a takedown or two just to keep Cub Swanson thinking. It freezes people up a lot, man. Yeah. And he's right in front of his corner, too.

There's Eric Tafiero right in front of the Alliance team. Great fucking team in San Diego. That's a good round for Stevens. Huge round. Cubs wants to get a bunch of roses on his leg. It's an interesting choice. Woo! Another good right.

Yeah. I would like to hear what Cubs' corner is telling him, man. I would love to hear what they have to say. I wonder what kind of advice they're giving him. You know? What accent is Jackson using? He's going Russian. That was hilarious, that Russian accent.

I think they have a game that they play. Oh, my God. He likes it when he talks to him like that. He thinks it's funny. At least that's what he said. He's doing his best fucking latke impression. That was a big fucking win

for Henderson. Beating Hobbylov. Yeah. Finishing him. Yeah. Finishing him with a rear naked. Yeah.

Lower down and come back with something. Look at this. Bang. Jeremy Stevens, a motherfucker. And that's that right hand over the top that really clipped him. Two big rounds for Jeremy Stevens, right?

Yeah. Jeremy looks fucking good, man. Yeah. It's got to be the beard. It's a little bit of everything, man. He's amped up, man. Yeah. It's got to be the beard. It's a little bit of everything, man. He's just, he's amped up, man. The kid's motivated. Round three.

Did you see when he wakes up in the morning with his kids? Fire it up. Fire it up. Like six in the morning. Shane, how old are you? You used to go down there in Germany. That's what he does? Oh, yeah.

He gets up at like six and him and his kids are fucking chanting, marching around the house, cooking breakfast. They say fire it up? Fire it up? Really? And Shane didn't wake up early. Is that the crow reference that's over everybody's head? So he's got like a chant that he does in the morning?

Wow. Oh, he did just to get his kids up out of bed. Oh, that's hilarious. My mom used to sing, and I was just like, mom, get out of my room. Ew. You are an early morning person. Stop it. I don't believe there are early morning people.

There are. There's people that just wake up earlier than you And they want you to think they're early morning people So they have some sort of edge on you No if you have no reason If it's Sunday and you're up at 5 in the morning Like my mom You love that shit

You're an early morning person She will get up at 5, 5.30 on a Sunday for no reason That's ridiculous That's ridiculous My daughter woke me up at like my dad will sleep till noon i don't know how they ever spoke to one another yeah my kids will climb on top of me at five thirty in the morning start asking me questions yeah and i'm like go away they're so cute though go hang out with grandpa my four-year-old she would just touch my face daddy

give you a kiss oh you're cute can we go in the pool it's's five in the fucking morning. You want to swim? Nice right hand. Another right hand. I knew better than trying to wake my dad up at six in the morning. I got thrown through a window. Seriously. My dad did not play. One daughter who is a fucking princess is me and my dad living in the house.

So she's just got us fucking wrapped around her finger. I'm like, go. She wakes two and a half. She'll wake up, take her diaper off got us fucking wrapped around her finger. I'm like, she wakes two and a half, she'll wake up, take her diaper off, come try and wake me up. Cub with a nice right hand there, man. Oh, good body kick by Curse. Oh, right uppercut. He is hurt. Another right hand.

Oh! Oh! Jeremy stunned, man. He's stunned. And he's still trying to protect that body He can't bring his right hand up Because he's keeping the elbow down there He's reacting from the body And Cub sees it and goes for the left hook

He went with the left hook upstairs And he brought it from down low Oh uppercut Oh right hand Oh beautiful That's the accuracy of Cub He's got such good accuracy. And that's something you saw in the Seaver fight.

Oh, good takedown defense, too. Jeremy's in a little bit of trouble. See him breathe there? He's trying to breathe to get the flow back to his lungs because he is. That body shot's taking everything out of him. Yeah, that body shot really fucked him up, man. That kick. And Cub's switching that stance against, too. Looking for it again. Looking for that That kick. And Cub switching that stance against, too.

Looking for it again. Looking for that left kick. Cub needs a recharge, though, right now. Obvious with that left kick. Throw that thing just at the body because, well, are they going to block it? Yeah, even if you block it, you're hurting. Yeah. Well, I think he was throwing it up high just because he figured he was going to protect his ribs at all costs.

Jeremy's still hurting, man. He's still hurting. You see the power difference. Cub landed some great shots in sequence and couldn't get Stevens off his feet. Yeah. Man. Interesting fight. Very interesting.

Very, very interesting. And interesting to see what kind of damage Jeremy has sustained from that kick to the body. You you know a lot of guys get broken ribs from that kick to the body a lot do you remember that heath herring cro-cop picture yep there was a picture of cro-cop where he threw a left body kick and it's halfway into heath herring's abdomen it literally looks like he got thrown from a car and wrapped around a telephone pole. Who did he leave the toe, the foot bruise on? Vanderlei. Vanderlei Silva, man.

That was first fight. Famous footprint. Yeah, that was back when Vanderlei and him had that weird rule thing where they would only fight on the ground for 30 seconds. They just wanted to stand and bludgeon each other. It was the first time that Crow Cop had fought MMAma yeah and so it's weird hybrid match he wanted some weird rules and if it if nothing happened if nobody finished anybody it was a draw yeah yeah

so that's how that fight turned out a draw and then in the rematch he just beat the career out of him in the rematch it was full cro cop yeah there's the there's the uh photo right there there's the picture look at that picture oh my god oh my god the photo right there. Yeah, there's the picture. Look at that picture. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The photo of Mirko's fucking chin halfway into Heath Herring's body is so terrifying. It's wrapping around his leg. That's a perfect kick, too. Can you kick any better than that?

No, that's about it. It's perfect. And here's Jeremy and Cub going at it in the third round. Jeremy cannot wait for this round to be over. This is an amazing fight so far, though. Yeah, it is. Ooh, good knee to the body by Cub. Do you think everyone always says,

Oh, hey, there's that Mexican actor. Ooh. Mexican actor? Remember the guy you used to be with? We, hey, there's that Mexican actor. Ooh. Mexican actor? Remember the guy where you used to be? We got from End of Watch. Oh, that guy. I didn't see that movie. But I know who that guy is.

I've seen him in other shit. Let me hear what they're saying. Give us some volume, Jamie. They're just talking about combinations. I want to know about his body. Deep breath. Here it is. Slam. Yeah. Right to the liver man that look on your

face we know it's coming and you can't stop it there's that right hand over top look how accurate cub is yep he's so fucking accurate in these wild melees it's one of the most impressive things I've ever seen as far as combinations of techniques landed was his fight with Seaver. Yeah. Yeah, because everything was bunched up in one certain fucking box.

Yeah. Yeah. And Seaver was moving away, and he was chasing after him, but he was still catching with everything. There's a good kick by Cub. Cub's coming on strong in that third round. This is a very interesting fight now.

Round two, definitely you've got to give to Jeremy Stevens. Round three, definitely you've got to give to Cub. The first round, I think, Stevens won. But you're heading into subjective incompetence area. When a fight is close, it's like you would like experts to call it, but they're not. That's the weirdest thing about MMA judging. They're not experts at all. Some lady that got the job because she knew somebody in the commission?

I mean, for people who don't know anything about MMA that are listening to this, you would think that we're exaggerating, but we're not. We're not exaggerating. MMA judging is the worst out of any sport in the world that you could think of where you have like experts that are watching the contest at the highest level. And they're aware of the subtle nuances of ebb and flow of the fight world. Well, that must be the case in MMA, surely, where there's billions of dollars on the line. level and they're they're aware of the subtle nuances of ebb and flow of the fight world well that must be the case in mma surely where there's billions of dollars on the line multinational corporations owned by viacom and people called zufa and by they would ensure that these things are someone else's life judged correctly core career no they're judged fucking terribly they're the worst judged contests probably in all of professional sports is mma there's more incompetence in mma judging and more judging being done by

people who have no idea what they're watching just guesswork we'll have no background in the sport no background not even as an amateur not not as an amateur competitor, not even as a person who practices it. Yeah, not even a martial artist. Yeah, no martial arts background at all. A lot of the delays sometimes will get on when there's a bad decision. There's a delay a lot of times. Our ring announcer, Michael C. Williams, is going around making sure that they knew it was the right person. Like, you know, they're the one with the gray shorts and they're the one with the red shorts, right?

We had one where they had mixed it up. They had gotten the wrong person. He had to go around and go, you know, they have the red shorts. Oh, hold on. And they scratched it and put different numbers in there. It has happened, man. Incompetence. It's just the sport was kind of like nudged in.

man. Incompetence. It's just this sport was kind of like nudged in. And one of the big pieces of evidence that it was nudged in is the adoption of the 10-point must system. It's just not a good system. There's too much going on in MMA. And boxing, that system makes sense because you're only boxing.

But when you have boxing with knees, elbows, kicks, and then takedowns, and then submissions, and then ground and pound. All those variables that don't exist in a boxing scoring system. It's just the 10 points is just not enough. What if they did like a 30-point system? That's a good idea.

Groundwork, takedowns, and then striking. And it's still all subjective, though. You'd have to know what the fuck is going on. Like, you'd have to know, like, sometimes a guy's caught in a guy's, like, a guy has a guy's back and the guy's in a lot of trouble. And sometimes the guy's not in trouble at all. And you have to be able to differentiate between a guy who's defending really well and a guy who's not defending well at all, who's on the brink of getting finished at any second.

There's a difference. Why is Cub smiling? Because he defended a takedown. Good, he punched the body there. In short range, he's digging that right hand at the body. How hard are those knees to the thigh when you're up against a cage like that? How much do those suck? I don't know.

Do you not feel them at the time? No. I mean... You're so amped up with adrenaline. Yeah, and you just kind of get past the pain thing. That's just... That's going to go away. When you're in training, do you wear knee pads when you're in training?

Sometimes. Do you do those? Sometimes. Yeah, I won't knee without knee pads on. I mean, that's just not really fair. Right. They can fuck each other up. It's rude.

Yeah, exactly. It's just some rude shit to do to each other. It's like foot stomps in training. You have to be an asshole. Those fucking stupid front knee kicks. Oh, yeah. Those are brutal. Those oblique kicks and front leg side kicks that Jon Jones does to the thigh.

They're effective, but they're ass moves. Oh, Cub just. Nice. He's blitzkrieging. Jeremy's starting to slow down a little bit. I noticed in every training where I got kicked a knee around the muscle. Jeremy's starting to slow down a little bit. I noticed in every training, remember I got kicked and kneed around the muscle.

When they find that space in between the muscles, oh, man. It was always terrible the next day. That's the accuracy of real tieboxers. Yeah, real tie guys. They kick that one spot, and they kick it twice, and you're like, fuck, I'm over this. Ernesto Hoos used to always get that spot right above the knee where the bone meets the top of the quad or the bottom

of the quad stop do you go for a chance with kicks in k1 yeah there's a few of those guys that tried to venture forth into k1 from mma didn't always work out disastrous results oftentimes disastrous results but rampage did that a lot of people forget. Rampage fought Mike Bernardo, bro. Yep. And beat him. And beat him in fucking K-1. Rampage was a beast in his prime. I mean, it kind of sucks now hearing him talk about retirement and he's still fighting. But you can tell he's kind of on his way out, doing it for the money. Yeah.

Job security. Yeah. Well, it's a lot of money. I mean, he's got a bunch of kids, too. There's a lot going on. You mean, he's got a bunch of kids, too. There's a lot going on. You've got to keep that money coming in. But it's... He's one of those guys... He was the first guy I ever rolled with, ever.

Rampage? On a mat. It was Rampage. Really? I'm sure that was fun. Yeah. He brings it up a lot when we're hanging out and every time I see him. Nice. Look at him. Nice.

Look at that. Nice knee. Naturally, one of the most just incredibly strong people. Yeah, he's so strong. Oh, my God. Yeah, I rolled with him before when we were filming that UFC, whatever the fuck it was, show for Spike. Yeah.

So strong. It's ridiculous. Here we go. Final round here. Who do you think that last round went to that's a good question that's a close one it was close

I wasn't really paying attention enough to score it you know I don't like I mean sometimes a round's obvious but even when I'm doing commentary I don't know because when I'm doing commentary I'm trying to point out all these different things about a round and I'm not doing it I think if you're going to about a round, and I'm not doing it.

I think if you're going to score a round, you should shut the fuck up, and you should have a piece of paper in front of you, and you should be marking things down. Eddie Bravo used to do it in between fights. In between rounds, he would talk about the round, and they'd have unofficial scorekeeper. They have Harold Letterman for boxing, and Eddie used to have two columns, one for each guy, and he would have all these marks down as far as hard kicks that were landed, punches that were landed, near submissions, and he had a whole system that he would do.

And it was a very accurate system. I agreed with every one of his little infight in between round things. Creativity, being smart, and being knowledgeable of what the fuck's going on. Control. There's a lot of variables. I just think that there's too many variables for a 10-point must system. We need our own system, and I don't know what the hell it's going to be. I would like them to come up with better fucking gloves,

and I would like them to come up with a better scoring system. Those are my two number one gripes. I have to score mine for Bellator, and some fighters get pissed at me, man. Yeah. Sorry, dude. Why did they make you score it? They just did. They thought it was a good idea and I was like, all right, I don't mind doing it.

You know, you should probably tell them, well, I don't know, do whatever the fuck you want, but I would probably tell them I don't want to do that anymore. I don't mind doing it. Just, you know, just who I think won and why, you know. It's just a good template for here's why I think. In explaining the scorecard, it does make me break it down, what I'm thinking while I'm watching it. So I do like it.

Do you write things down when you're scoring? Like when you're doing commentary, do you write anything down? Yeah, sometimes I do. Most of the time I do. Yeah, I just try to. When I'm doing commentary, since I don't have to score, I just try to be another good one. commentary, since I don't have to score, I just try to be. Oh, another good one. Another kick to the body. Damn, he's hitting him hard with that left.

Oh, another right hand. Cobb is on him, man. Oh, cartwheel kick. Beautiful double jab. Look at him, hands down. Right hand. Oh, he's taking over. Jeremy's a bloody mess, too.

He's so creative. Like, look what he just did there. He ducks down and wings that overhand. Oh, left hook. Right on the dot every time. He's so accurate, man. And punching with your head off of the, you know, the beeline. You can punch in the same area and still

have your head off of whatever line you're going. Another lead right. Two minutes to go, though. Good combinations. This round is still kicking. Jeremy's got a lot of blood coming out of that nose.

Oh, splattering everywhere. Yeah, his face is a mess. Oh! Cub throws a lot of off-speed stuff, too. He does things... He's really hard to figure out what he's going to do. Yeah. Very sneaky with the way he moves at you.

He'll, like, slow, slow, fast, you know? He does a lot of that. Nice left hook there. And it's hard to see... A lot of times it's hard to see punches that come from the hip like that. Very difficult, especially when you have good head movement. And he's got very good movement. Very good waist movement.

Back and forth. Damn. Yeah, I'm happy. I don't have to score this fucking thing. I really am. I just get to watch it and not have to worry about it.

Well, that's... I just don't know, man. I just... I think if I was going to score rounds and do my best at it, I really would shut the fuck up. Yeah, you'd have to.

Yeah. Which I'm would shut the fuck up. Yeah, you'd have to. Yeah. Which I'm sure some people would like. I cannot. I've got to talk and score at the same time. Nice left hook again by Cub. This is all Cub this round. Yeah, totally. Jeremy's got to know that.

I mean, it's a very interesting situation. I think it all might hinge on that fourth round that was real close. Yeah, right? Because three and five are definitely Cub. I would say one and two are Stevens right now. Well, this is a perfect... This is a perfect example why one round being a 10-9 and this

round being a 10-9 is ridiculous. So the round that was really close, if that was a 10-9 for either one of those guys and then this is a 10-9 round for Cub, that's fucking crazy. That highlights how fucked up the system is. Because Cub is schooling him in this round. And Cub also schooled him in that other round. Oh!

Jeremy lands that right hand. Woo! Still dangerous. Still dangerous. Fucking 24 minutes, 24 and a half minutes in. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Another good one.

He carries that fucking power. And he'll switch it up, too. Get you thinking about that overhand and come with that uppercut. Oh, you heard him. He heard him. It was a stumble there, man. Damn, Jeremy Stevens is swinging. I hate to see somebody lose this one.

Fucking good fight, man. Wow. That's a great fight. Wow, wow, wow. Holy shit. That's a great fight. Look at these, wow. Holy shit. That's a great fight. Look at these guys. That was fucking awesome.

Fantastic fight. Take back my memory, David. I love this, too. I love this. Yeah. I love these guys walking around holding each other's arms up. I love that. Yeah.

Amazing. Especially after the fight. And there was a moment of pause when the bell rang. They're still like, fuck you. Ah, good fight. Because Jeremy was chasing after him him moving him for the kill in that last minute wow amazing fight i still gave that last round a cub but that highlights why you know it's like what is that is that a 10-9 round is that a 10-8 what is a 10-8 you know

what the fuck why do we still have this 10-point system? It's fucking goofy. So what do you think? If you had to judge, if you had to guess. I think Cub did more damage. I would say Cub. Yeah, I would say Cub too. Cub as, I mean, the problem is when you're looking at that whole 10-point must system, is it going to be looked like that at the judges? So it's saying right now that Jeremy broke his hand?

Is that what they said? That's what it says right now. Dana White tweeted. He broke his hand in the third round. One of which hand? He was throwing both there at the end

so I was trying to pay attention. He's so crazy. He probably didn't bother him at all. It goes numb. Yeah. Yeah, you don't really feel it.

He probably knew it and just kept bombing with it. Fuck, I mean, I crushed my hand and broke my knuckle in like five pieces and then broke my hand too. Impacted it. And it's just kept bombing with it fuck i mean i i crushed my hand and broke my knuckle in like five pieces and then broke my hand too impacted it and it's just you don't feel it i mean it's not like i'm like fuck yeah bro pain you know it's you just went numb and i think i you know i threw a hundred

and something punches make that show that fist make that fist that's where it goes a little bruise right now just a little swollen jesus christ if i can land it in this fucking eye socket and when you're training what do you what do you do to wrap your hands differently? With boxing gloves on, the padding's there, so it helps out a lot. But if I still put it in someone's forehead or something or catch it on an overhand, which is how I broke it, it fucking hurts. My finger's going to break like this. I mean, it's all fucking bruised right now, but, you know, it's...

All right, here it is. Here it is. Cub Swanson. I thought so. I thought that was justified. Yeah, I think that's justified. It's close. I think it's justified in terms of the overall fight.

Yeah. If you look at the overall fight, I think that Cub Swanson won the overall fight. Definitely, Jeremy had some moments, and definitely Jeremy scored a lot, and had Cub hurt at one point in time, but... It's a good fight, man. Yeah, really good. That's the kind of fight that you

want to see when you see a guy who's fighting for, like, a world title next. He fights another top guy in the division, two hungry young lions, and both guys had moments. Jeremy had some big moments in that fight, but Cub had more moments. It's a big win for him, man. And Jeremy Stevens being the harder hitter, he stepped forward and landed some good shots. Cub had to do a lot of things to keep that pressure on.

He didn't have that one-shot power. He had to show a lot of accuracy, threw a lot of jabs, mixed a lot of kicks in there, a lot of head movement. He had to do a lot more because he didn't have that power. Yeah, that's an interesting point. I like seeing that, personally. Yeah, I do too. Well, that's the kind of fight too that makes a guy really grow.

That's some serious fucking experience you get there. Exactly. Mentally, just your fight IQ goes up fucking a lot of points. When you fought, like, who do you think? You see Emacol. When you fought Mighty Mouse. When you fought Benavidez. What fight?

Do you have any fights that you look back on and you say, that's the fight that really I took the most from? I would say, me and Joe, I don't think either of us fought to our full potential in that fight. How come? I don't know, we just kind of stood there. We didn't really, neither of us moved like we should have, we didn't get after it, you know.

You know, I'm pretty disappointed in my UFC career, so I don't know. Are you really? Yeah. Is that a down note, dude? Are you just because you're a perfectionist? Yeah. Because you're constantly striving to improve?

Yeah, I should be world champion. It's not good enough. And I think that everyone knows I'm the only threat to Demetrius. Listen to you. And, you know, it's... I fucking molested him once on the ground. I'll do it again. I'll get my fucking hands on you.

I think that, you know what, I don't have the best pure jiu-jitsu. I don't have the best pure wrestling. I don't have the best pure striking. But when it comes to getting in a fucking fist fight and having it end up on the ground, I'll fuck up anybody in my weight class. I don't think there's anybody who can do it. Want to scramble with me? You want to, you know, with submissions and shit like that and punches, I'll fuck you up. What do you think separates you? What do you think it is? Oh man, I don't want to sound like Gene LaBelle too much, but I get off on it, you know, and

it's maybe not as sexual as gene gene likes it to be but I Thoroughly enjoy fucking people up man It's you know, I got always entertaining. I got a lot of pent-up aggression I like to perform I think performing has become the biggest part just put it on a show Yeah, and if someone's you know Their well-being is at stake during that I'm fuck. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm not sorry and what car do you on next? July 19th in Ireland. I'm fighting Brad Sorry, I'm not sorry. And what card are you on next? July 19th in Ireland. I'm fighting Brad Pickett. Finally. I get to fight an Englishman

in Ireland. Wow. It's Gaelic. It's Irish Scottish Wales, I think. Oh, your last name. Ian McCall. You don't get any more Irish than that. Sorry, I'm not Irish.

Yeah, they're going to be bummed out. Like, what the fuck, man? You're confusing us. We want to root for you. Yeah, seriously. You don't look Irish. You're Mexican or something. That's hilarious, man.

That's a good fight, though. I love that fight. Brad Pickett's fun. He's a fun guy. I mean, we're going to get a bonus. Did Pickett fight Flyweight yet? He once. Who did he fight?

Neil Seary, the Irish guy. Did he win or lose? He won, but he looked a bonus. Did Pickett fight flyweight yet? Once. Who did he fight? Neil Seary, the Irish guy. Did he win or lose? He won, but he looked like shit. Did he? Yeah. Tough weight cut? I think that was a big part of it. And you know you're supposed to be a boxer, and you get cracked, and you turn into a wrestler,

but I'm not going to get outwrestled by an Englishman. That would be embarrassing, wouldn't it? Yeah. But I talk shit. But I got fucking taken down by a Brazilian, so I jumped into it. But so, again, I say stupid shit all the time. Forgive me. You're comfortable with saying stupid shit?

Yeah, because it's entertainment. You know, I think people get butthurt on Twitter that shit I say, and I'm like, motherfucker, you got a problem, you can text me or something. Some people that I know have gotten hurt. The internet is filled with people that are not just butt hurt but looking to be butt hurt. And I'm just playing the game. People have said the most horrible shit to me online. I mean with recent events

especially shit that's been said to me I'm like Jesus Christ. You guys are mean. Good thing I don't have feelings. If I had a heart man this would really suck. Not just mean but mean and they don't even know you. It's not like they're angry at you and they're trying to get back at you

because you did something to them that they can't forgive. No, you don't have any relationship with them at all. They just reach out to you and just try to shit on you because their life is fucking miserable. Have we ever met before? You're saying some shit that if you were in person I'd break this fucking mug over your head and stick it in your neck.

You want to fuck with me? For what? For what reason? Just to try to get a rise out of you. To ruin my day. Well, it's because... They just want a response from you. They don't have anything going on in their lives.

And they just want a response. Oh, I got Jorogun mad and he said something to me. It's a big deal to them. There's definitely that. That's a fact. That is huge. And that's a sure sign that you're a loser. Because that's something that winners don't do.

I've always said that Michael Jordan is not leaving YouTube comments. No. You know, he's not like shitting all over someone's fucking video. Yeah. You know what I mean? His fucking song blows. I hope they die in a fire. Yeah.

You know, that kind of attitude is almost always perpetrated by losers. And it's just a matter of thinking a certain way that you will constantly chase down an Ian McCall and shit all over him and try to hurt his feelings, try to reach him online, try to... Recognize me. I'm here. I know things about you. We're in a bad relationship. I know about your relationship. He's supposed to be a comedian and he called out Louis C.K. for a fight to fight Louis.

Who? Some fucking guy. I don't know and he called out Louis C.K. for a fight. To fight Louis. Who? Some fucking guy. I don't know his name. Fight Louis C.K.? He wants to fight him, and he called out me, and he says, check this guy out calling out Louis C.K. And I was like, oh, so I retweeted it, and then I watched it, and I was like, is that you? You're a fucking douchebag. You're a horrible person.

You're a piece of shit, and I'm sorry I fucking retweeted that. But you're the kind of guy that I'm going to fucking spit in my hand and slap you in the mouth with it. So he's calling out Louis C.K. because Louis C.K. is doing well. Exactly. And then he calls me out. And I was like, do you know who the fuck you're talking to? Like, it's just weird. There's a lot of idiots out there.

But those idiots think that that's the way they can become famous. That's the way they can get a name. You know Craig Carton? He used to do the MMA Uncensored show? Yeah. All right. He is. Everybody hates the guy because he's like a New York loudmouth radio host. And everybody hates him.

And we were doing a shoot. I was on the show. And he's actually a nice guy in real life. And he goes, not one time with all the hate I get has anyone in real life, in person, ever said anything to me. I go, really? He goes goes not once And he is hated

Not like there's some people out there That don't like you and me Joe I'm talking like Most people don't like Craig Carton He's like an obnoxious New York model Most people like you And they don't Most people I talk to

That are MMA fans Like you a lot Aw thanks They think you do really well But yeah There are some people That just get fucking universally hated There's some people i

i talked to a lot of people that fucking hate john jones you know and they're talking to me about how john jones is hated all my friends hate john jones he's so fucking cocky and i'm like let me help you out here here's what's going on you know and i know that john jones is awesome and that's one of the things that's bothering you is that john Jon Jones knows he's awesome. Does he do things that are debatable? Yeah, he got in an accident with a Bentley when he was drunk with a bunch of strippers in his car. Sounds to me like he was having a good time. He's young and dumb.

End of a night. You can't get mad at that. So what are you mad at? You're mad at the fact that he thinks he's going to win every fight? Guess what? He won every fight. So he's right. What are you mad at? I don't understand. You're mad that he's ducking Gustafson. He wanted to fight Daniel fucking Cormier, Olympic wrestler, undefeated both as a heavyweight and as a light heavyweight, a guy who's been running through people, destroyed Dan Henderson.

He wants to fight him, and you think he's a coward. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. People are fucking stupid. Look, the simple phrase of, go ahead and explain yourself, tears most people completely off. No, just take that logic a bit further. I just want to hear you express it one piece at a time, and everything falls apart. The other thing that fucks people up is the platform of being able to do a Twitter post or a blog entry or anything where you're not addressing a human.

A person's not challenging what you say. Not accountable. Like if you're saying something, even if you're saying something to me, if you're not talking to Jon Jones, you're saying something to me that doesn't make any sense, I go, wait, hold on. What? I'll stop you at the first paragraph and go, that's not even true. That doesn't make sense.

Well, here's why. But instead, they get to just blah, blah, blah, blah through a whole entire blog entry and justify their thoughts or unchecked. And by the end of it, you know, somebody reads it, they'll get angry, they'll have all these opinions on it, but it would have never happened if they were interacting with someone.

There was an experiment at Stanford University where they put people in masks and had them shock people and well it is at a control group where one subject didn't have masks on and they were behind this glass and they were shocking people when they would answer questions questions certain way then they took a group of people and put masks on them and did the same experiment and people hit the button like incessantly when there was they wouldn't even ask a question they would just shock them as soon as they became anonymous they would hit that fucking thing when they said the right answer when they didn't even talk in and they realize when you make people and this is like 1972 and they realize when you make people anonymous they will do horrible shit incessantly

and as soon as they put masks on they would hit the shock button constantly throughout the experiment why do you think the KKK wore masks? People are shitty. People can be really fucking shitty. But also awesome. People are pretty fucking awesome. All my favorite people are people. The way I look at it personally, that's a great statement.

My favorite people are animals. I'm throwing that out there right now. I like pets and shit. I'm into monkeys and shit. Because monkeys do have shit. They do have shit and they fling it. My thing is, like, I like, you know, if I like something, I'm a reasonable, normal human being. And I don't like pickles and I like the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I've never gone online and talked about either one of those subjects. Most people that like something or don't like it, just go, oh, yeah, Jimmy Smith's all right. They're not going to get on a forum and yell about me. The vast majority of people that like something and just enjoy it generally don't make a big deal about it. We're talking about a very slender part of the population that is just loud and obnoxious about stuff.

Yeah, no matter what you do. Yeah, no matter what you do. No matter what you do. Every asshole has a fucking voice now. Everybody's got an opinion. This thing about being anonymous and being able to reach people, this is unprecedented in human culture. It's never happened before. People don't know how to fucking deal with it.

They don't know how to manage it. It's not an ability that anybody's ever had in history so this ability is something that's going to take a long time for people to manage and use and i think what's going to change it more than anything is it's somewhere along the line we're going to lose anonymity i think everyone's going to know who everyone else is you're going to be accountable at the nsa yeah it's going to it's exactly like if you're doing death threats to the government they know who you are immediately.

You could try to hide behind a proxy, but if you're – they're going to find you. They're going to find you really quickly. And ultimately, that kind of ability is going to trickle down to the common man. Everyone's going to have that ability to do. And the world is going to know that you're a cunt for doing that too. Have you found out – like you remember that Reddit thing that happened a while back where there was a guy who would post all kinds of fucked up shit on Reddit? And he, like, creep shots, like, upskirt shots and stuff and underage shots and all this different weird creepy shit. And then they found out who he was in real life.

And they contacted his employer and showed him all the stuff that he put online. They fired that fucking guy it could and the guy had like a wife and kids and the whole deal and you know like lost his job and he got outed on the internet and you know millions of people hated that guy after that so many people got a hold of the articles and retweeted things and facebook did and it was a big issue a big issue about freedom of speech and privacy but also a big issue, a big issue about freedom of speech and privacy, but also a big issue about outing fuckheads. Yeah. Good. Fuck them.

Yep. Yeah. Fuck them all. Fuck them all, says Ian McCall. That rhymes. That rhymes really well. So the fights are over, gentlemen. I guess the podcast is over, too.

This has been a great time. Yes, it has been, man. It's a good fucking fun three hours. We put this together this afternoon, too. Yeah, I got gotta call This afternoon What are you doing tonight Nothing bro What's going on

He's like I am there I am there Yeah this is a lot of fun Warm up my seat man I'll be there And I really wanted to do With you too

Because the I don't know how many people Know that we're really Friendly with each other Yeah You know Despite the fact That we're supposed to be

We're supposed to not I guess we're supposed to be Rivals or some shit or not get along. Well, it's because the whole Bjorn-Dana thing. That's so goofy to me. When I was talking to... I mean, the way I see it is,

if there's a rivalry between the UFC and Bellator, at what level does that really happen? Like, when I see Kenny or you, it's like, hey, we're peers. We do the same job. We're like, hey, how's it going, man? We talk about fights or whatever. I know you know a lot of the technical people that have worked on both shows. It's not like they, we're peers. We do the same job. We're like, hey, how's it going, man? We talk about fights or whatever. And I know you know a lot of the technical people that have worked on both shows.

It's not like they don't get along. It's not like the director sees my director and starts a fight or something. Fuck you. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. It's really funny. I ran into some dudes last night. The industry's not so small. Like Frosty, man.

I love that guy. Yeah, great guy. He's a great guy. He's my boy. I love him. I ran into some guys last night that are just jiu-jitsu guys. And we talk jiu-jitsu until 2 o'clock in the fucking morning. That's like when you run into someone who likes what you like,

and you start talking. I mean, I don't know. I've never understood that, though. I support other people's podcasts. I've always supported other comedians. I just don't see that. I think the main competition is always with yourself. And when you bring in someone else who's good good or you have someone around you that's good

and you have to compare yourself to them, I think it makes you better. I think it's important. Very true. You see that a lot in MMA, man. How many times do you see guys that are training and they're in the same goddamn weight class and they're helping each other out and you know that one day they might have to fight each other. Like Uriah and TJ Dillashaw. After Uriah loses to Hennon Burrow,

he says, hey, there's a guy in my camp. I'd love to see him fight for the title next. I'd love to see TJ Dillashaw get a shot. Same fucking weight class. Beating each other's asses every day and still supporting him. That's a brotherhood right there. That's where it's at, right?

Community's not that big. I think that's what people don't get. Community's not that big. We all know one another. At least there's what people don't get is community's not that big. No. We all know one another. At least there's like two degrees of separation in this entire sport. How many of us are there? Not a lot of us out there.

Jason Chambers, who's a friend of mine who does 1FC. Yep. There's you. Jimmy Smith. I fought Jason Chambers. It's just like there's only one degree of separation this entire. You guys both had a TV show where you're traveling around doing different martial arts. He did human weapon.

I did fight quest. He, he called me, sent me a message as soon as fight quest came out and goes, Hey man, great to see you on TV, man. Hope we get to hang out soon. I was like, Hey, good luck with your thing too, bro. And like, Jason's like, what? We're, you know, we're going to, you know, Jason's fight over again. We already did once.

So you're like, it's ridiculous. It doesn't work that way. No, no. Anthony already did once. It's ridiculous. It doesn't work that way. No need. Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmerman. Yeah, they're going to have a brawl. I'm the only one who's crooks, you fucking cunt. What are you traveling, you piece of shit? I mean, how many of us are there?

Now there's a couple of fighters that do it. Kenny and Brian Stan. Frank Mir used to do it until, what he said, he wanted to kill Brock Lesnar in the ring. Yeah. Wanted Brock Lesnar to be the first MMA death. Our first MMA death in ring. Not smart. Well, not the smart, but still, I don't think it's like, you know, the guy's a great commentator.

He was really good. Yeah, I thought he was. I enjoyed his commentary. But, I mean, there's only, the point being, there's maybe 10 of us worldwide. I mean, I don't know who does that Indian promotion. Do they still have that Indian promotion? Super Fight League or something? Something that was big for a little while?

The Arab Emirates. The UEA. What is it? UAE? UAE, whatever it is. One of my buddies is fighting out there soon. Is it a new organization? I think so.

You know how much money they have. It's hard to think of any job where there are fewer people doing it than mma commentary there are a dozen of us in the whole world never thought about that that's like how many jobs are there yeah there are 10 of us yeah no shit i mean ceos there's you know several hundred yeah yeah that was why you know we can run into each other into each other and talk ship talk shop rather yeah which is what we do generally yeah how many of us are there that's that's that's interesting yeah it's probably as far as like the two major promotions that anyone has seen president of the united states is probably you know that's a singular that's a biggie it's a biggie when you run into former presidents you're fucking but those are former presidents

as far as people doing the job currently man yeah yeah but i boxing commentators, but there's probably way more of them. Yeah. Yeah. There's just more boxing on TV, too. Well, they always do more guys, too. Like, I was listening to some boxing last night, and there was like four guys talking. Like three-man boots, which I don't like in MMA. Yeah.

But they do them in boxing. Well, it can fuck up, especially if you've got too many people talking over each other when action happens, or they don't... Like, specific roles. especially when it comes to i think you and i both do something very different than other sports too where there's a color guy and a play-by-play but we both do play-by-play we do color but we also do play-by-play especially when shit goes to the ground because the play-by-play guy doesn't really know what the fuck is happening so well they do a little but you kind of have to do that where you have to explain every nuance of the position and then start to explain

what could be bad if this happens and what could be good if that happens or mma is a color medium mm-hmm i it's jeff blatnik who i love love jeff blatnik he was i thought he was great as a wrestler he was a great guy, too. Great human being. When he started doing color commentary for the UFC, it became a color medium just because if you watch boxing, my mom knows what's happening in a boxing match. I mean, they would ask Emmanuel Stewart little stuff, or it was George Foreman for a while with HBO. But the play-by-play guy, that's the voice of HBO,

is Jim Lampley, basically. With MMA, color guys have to talk a lot more because there's a lot more the audience doesn't know. The audience has never done jiu-jitsu. The audience has never done Muay Thai. The audience knows boxing a little bit. They've never wrestled. So there's so many facets that the fans have just never been a part of that we have to break down and explain. And I think it's made it, the color guys have to do a lot more in MMA

than they do in boxing, a lot more. Yes, it's a completely different gig. And it's also a gig that would be really cumbersome with a bunch of people talking. If you had like three or four people in the booth. We've done three in the UFC before, but it didn't work that well. And Dana didn't like it, and so they went back to two. Yeah, it's brief.

The times I've done in Bellator, they'll have a guy, like, somebody jump in for a round or two. Yeah, I think what would be cool, yeah. I think what would be cool is a guy doing the Harold Letterman gig, though, that Eddie Bravo used to do. You know, Eddie's too busy these days, he wouldn't do it, but someone who's, like, a real experienced guy, like a, you know,

that would be a good thing to do, like, to have, like, a Dominic Cruz or, you know, someone along that lines, who's really good at breaking things down. It's very analytical. Give some, I think it would help. Give people some insight. And also give some insight as to really what's wrong with the scoring. Yeah.

Where you could see. If you get a real expert, it breaks down exactly what they thought about each individual aspect of the fight. And then you see in contrast how shitty the the judges perceptions of the fight were yeah i'd probably say sign me up but i'd probably say some stupid shit you would definitely say i would say some dumb shit well you know what i'd like i'd like to josh barnett has a blog now or has a podcast now i think you know you'd be great at something like that too man we've thought about it i've had a few people kind of hit me up about it. We have a business called a direct endorsement where we do live streaming for only for an hour. And we, we take an athlete, not just fighting, but fighting, skateboarding, motocross, whatever it is,

they pick a charity, we pick a product, say it's this mug. Everyone buys the mug. We, as we're doing the, the, you know, the, the podcast, that person's signing while we're talking, asking questions, we get into what the charity is and it's just, it's, you know, like whatever percentage they want, usually 20% goes to

the charity they pick. Oh, that's very cool. It's a cool little thing. We only had three of them. We did myself. We did Greg Lutzka for skateboarding and Kyle Loza

for motocross. And we'd like to, you know, get on the ball and start doing more. We might do Donald Logue for acting and just some, you know, just to kind kind of just to hit different surfaces just because i

don't have i don't really hang out with fighters that much yeah no that's interesting so like you only hang out with fighters when you're training when you get outside of training yeah i mean realistically i only hang out people at the gym if i'm not at the gym i'm at home with my kid but a lot of people that are fighters find that they're the only people that understand them. That other fighters, like it's such a crazy lifestyle. The training is so brutal. It's almost like you need someone to commiserate with. Or you need someone who understands what you're going through.

You don't feel like that? I do, but I don't want to talk about it. I want to just fucking forget about it. I want to hang out with my kid and my girlfriend and her kid and just not have to worry about the fucking misery that I put myself through for greatness.

It's a lot of fun. I love my job, don't get me wrong, but I usually don't want to talk about it unless it's on something like this. So you preserve your interest in it. Yeah, because otherwise, I've been watching more fights lately now that me and my dad live together. That's fucking all he does.

My daughter loves watching fights. That's hilarious. A two-and-a-half-year-old loves watching fights. And she sees, you know, Uncle Shane's on the TV, you know, this person's on the TV, there's Romy, there's Coach or whatever. It's just cute. That is cute. When you're in between camps, like say like after a fight and you don't have anything scheduled for a while, how much time do you spend training and working on

things and how much is just, just decompressing? I live a very active lifestyle. Like everything I do is outdoors. You know, I, I'm in Tahoe arena a lot. It's high altitude. So we're always going on hikes and I'm always doing, you know, high altitude Bikram with my girlfriend and we just, she doesn't let me fucking sit still. you know, a lot. It's high altitude, so we're always going on hikes, and I'm always doing, you know, high altitude Bikram with my, you know, girlfriend. And we just, she doesn't

let me fucking sit still. Like, she always has something to do with the kids, or with me and her, or fucking, even if we're traveling, like, we went to Costa Rica for a surf trip. So we surfed and went jungle hiking and tried to find fucking sloths and monkeys and shit. You know, so it's like, it keeps

my attention going, and I'm always fit, you know? That's cool. That's a cool vacation. Yeah. Except for the diseases and the bugs that can kill you. See any of those? Oh, everything wants to kill you down there.

Everything in Costa Rica wants to fucking kill you, right? Yeah. I mean, it's not like, you go to Hawaii, like I went to Hilo, I hung out with BJ and we went to Waipio.

I'm looking around like, Where's your bugs? Yeah, well, there's fucking mosquitoes, but besides that, I'm like, there's nothing here that? yeah well there's fucking mosquitoes but besides that I'm like there's nothing here that wants to kill me?

even the mosquitoes I think came from people they brought them over on boats and shit he's like no brah he's cool we're just gonna hang out farm some taro

I'm like okay BJ's been there his whole life and still trains there that's crazy yeah we finished building the gym in Waipio, his little dojo.

I call him my Miyagi. And then he, one morning, woke up. He's like, hey, bro, want to go bust the gym? I was like, yeah. He's like, all right, grab your shit and let's go. And we just fucking drove to Waipio and it's got a little shitty old truck

he doesn't care about and drives it through the river and it's got no sound. Electrical's been shorted, so it's no no uh no radio or anything he just drives through the most fucking beautiful country you can and then we go in there and we just beat the shit out of each other for you know half an hour we had some some shirtless fucking hippie dude doing the time for us oh we used to like wrestle in high school i was all stocky and he's like can you just tell us when five minutes is up okay ready go

how many people live in Hilo oh I have no idea not that many not that many right like 30,000 or something crazy probably because just the big island itself not a lot of people live in the big island

no and the big island's fucking huge yeah I think the big island only has 100,000 people on it probably and I mean it's desolate and on the big island alone there's like

every single climate in the world except for like one or two it's it's it's there's so much going on there it's so fucking beautiful you look you feel like you're in jurassic park yeah and especially getting to hang out with him it's yeah he's a fucking savage man it's it's a good time what do you think about this fight with him and frank Edgar? He, like I said, when I was out there, this was a while ago, two months ago or something. He was 160 pounds. I got tired first. And I don't get fucking tired. I mean, granted, I just tore my hip and my groin.

But I still don't get tired much. And he was, I still stayed in shape. And, I mean, he fucking, he was going after me for a half an hour Wow and I was just like after like wow I'm fucking I'm excited because he it's my favorite fighter of all time I mean he's a fucking savage yeah when you can make another man cry another man who deserves a title shot at your title you can beat him up so bad that he cries and then you fucking lick his blood off your gloves and bang your head after like I guy like you. Oh, the Joe Stevenson fight? Yeah.

The problem is, and I'm throwing the counter here, is that he's always had trouble with fights where he wasn't on top. Oh, yeah. Mentally, when the ball starts rolling the other way, it rolls bad. The momentum goes the other way for him. And so Edgar's a guy you've got to outwork. And that hasn't always been physical with BJ. It's when I'm not on top and I'm not dominating,

when I'm not licking the guy's blood off my hands, I start questioning myself and I start rolling backwards. And if he's got those mental demons in check, then he's got a great shot. The same Frankie Edgar always shows up. Same, consistent. So consistent. So hard.

BJ was so good when he was with the Marinoviches. When he fought Diego Sanchez, he was in incredible shape. He had a fucking full six-pack. I mean, he was in shape. And chasing after Diego deep into the fight. Fourth and fifth round, going ahead, head kicked him, sliced him open. That was the only time BJ's ever thrown a head kick in a fight. Yeah, fucking landed perfectly.

Perfectly. You know, I mean, that was him at his best because he had tremendous stamina. Do you know what he's doing now for strength and conditioning i'm farming yeah farming what are what are we doing we're gonna go farm manual labor i don't need fucking strength and conditioning what we don't need strength and conditioning so we just say that we just built roads nypo and fucking farm tarot and beat the shit out of each other. Build roads? We built like a fucking, and like with like a Unimog, you know, like Mercedes Unimogs, you can put a fucking ditch digger on the back and like. No, I don't know what a Unimog is.

Unimog's a big, like a tractor kind of vehicle, big Mercedes Unimog. He's got three of them out there. He has a farm? Yeah, he's got a farm. And you go into YPO Valley and it's, there Waipio Valley, and not even 100 people live there. And it's this huge fucking Garden of Eden. I mean, it's massive, and it's so beautiful. And just, there's nothing there.

Is he growing weed? I wish. What's he farming? Tarot. What is tarot? If you say it quietly into a mic, they can still hear you. It makes no difference. If you bring it up.

What is tarot again? Tarot is, they can still hear you. It makes no difference. Only if you bring it up. Okay. What is taro again? Taro is, they're trying to make the Hawaiian superfood, a taro root. And it's a really starchy vegetable that, you know, that's why Hawaiians punch so hard. That's what they tell me. From taro? Yeah. My first fight was in Hawaii. I've never heard of taro before.

How have I never heard of this before? It tastes like bland as fuck. It puts sugar in it and tastes like sugar. But it's supposed to give you superpowers. Hmm. You know? I've had it before. I don't remember where, but I've had it before.

What's your impression of it? It's like a more bland kind of yam. Yeah. Is the best way to describe it. Huh. Yeah. But it's super-thee-soupy. Yeah.

Like goat gooey. Huh. It's weird. They mash it up. I had it mashed up with something. Yeah. It was like a taro kindi-soupy. Yeah. Like goat gooey. Huh. It's weird. They mash it up. I had it mashed up with something. Yeah. It was like a taro kind of stew. Is it supposed to be good for you?

Like actually- And there's taro. Yeah, it looks like a yam. That's it. Huh. It's supposed to be good for you. It's fucking weird and purple. That's a unimog too for you.

That's a unimog. Oh, okay. So the local- Does anybody else eat it? Is it anything like- You know, everybody's eating like bok choy now is the new kale. Everybody's telling you, you got to get a hold of some bok choy. Everybody eats poi in Hawaii.

Yeah. But, you know, Hawaiians are fucking, they believe in like mermaids and shit, bro. They're fucking, they're crazy. They're crazy, crazy people. I can't believe there's mermaids and shit. And I love the death. Don't get me wrong. I love Hawaiians.

I do too. They're my favorite fucking people on the planet. That's the only place I vacationed. I lived with two fucking Hawaiians. I lived with Shane and Rich. Rich, he used to run Strikeforce. He used to be the matchmaker for Strikeforce. And they're both fucking Hawaiian.

And then, I don't know. I just really like fucking Hawaiians. I tried vacationing other places. I'm like, this isn't as good as Hawaii. Why the fuck am I going anywhere where Hawaii is right there? Just going to Hawaii. It's cheap. Well, it's kind of cheap. still America, but it's not you know It's like you're protected by the Constitution Go to BJ's and go to have him take you to YPO and you feel like you're in French

Polynesia or something because the people talking you're just like oh me tinkum go buy some fish, you know Fuck around smoke some weed brah school. You're like Walk around Smoke some weed bro It's cool And you're like What did he just say Is that English Is that what you're saying to me

The phrase book That pigeon way of talking Right And then BJ starts Rattling off stuff And then you start drinking You know like Homemade sake

Down in the valley And then you just It just turns into it Alright man Choked food Yeah What Plate lunches

Choked man Choked food How am I supposed to Fucking make weight with this This is delicious But it's not on my diet. Yeah, I remember one of the countdown shows. BJ, when he was, he had apparently burned off too many calories, he said.

So it's time to load up. So we had one of those loco moco burgers with an egg on it and everything. And you get fucking, get your mac salad and your fucking chicken katsu or whatever. And it's just, they you know they're they are island people they're fucking crazy and it's just so entertaining to hang out with them i just go out there i'm like oh my god okay what are we doing today do you think you could live there though yeah but like bj i want to move to reno you know that's pretty up just you know because it might be the only guy on the planet that wants to move to Reno. I've never heard, I want to move to Reno. I've never heard that expression in my life.

My girlfriend's there. I want to move to Reno. And it's fucking... Your girlfriend lives there? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, then I would move. I get that.

But it's wilderness enough where you've fucking seen Nevada, parts of Nevada, and you're like, where the fuck am I? Right, yeah. There's parts of Nevada where they have crazy elk hunting, where they're bugling elks, and you hear these elks, like fucking 1,200-pound beasts come rolling over the hill, 30 and 40 of them at a time. Her cousins are all trappers and hunters out there. They're like the two of the best young guys out there. Isn't that funny that people don't think about that when they think of Nevada? You think of only Vegas and then nuclear waste.

The Safari Club is the biggest fucking hunting club in the world. It's incredible nature out in Nevada. Yeah. Oh, especially up near Lake Tahoe. Dude, Tahoe is fucking 7,000 feet. And you go hiking and you go running and do whatever the fuck you want to do, you get in shape quick. Yeah, and it's just beautiful, too. It's inspiring how beautiful it is, man.

Yeah. My grandparents have a spot right on the lake down there, and it's fucking incredible. I mean, it is so nice and you know i just pull into grandpa's yard and go go down on the dock and just like oh and plus my girlfriend she's the face of harrison harvey's up there what is that she's the big hotels up there oh she's you know they pay her to just fucking stand around oh that's cool so it's a sweet gig do you yeah it doesn't suck isn't it all methed out up there, though? Isn't Reno kind of methed out? There's parts of Reno that are shit.

Don't get me wrong. There is Reno 911 there. But if you go to the river, go to the free... Without the madcap hilarity. The free fun. If you go to the free fun, like the river, and people have blow-up mattresses going down and shit. But if you can just say that's hilarious and then kind of have your own life, do your own thing. I just like seclusion.

I'm becoming more secluded. And again, back to like BJ has, he'll go stir crazy, and then he'll go train over here or he'll go train in Brazil. And he gets away, and you get away from your family and kids. Right, yeah. Yeah. I think that also, too, you live in a place in Orange County that is super congested.

There's so many people down there. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either. So when you go somewhere else, like take a place where, like Reno, which is especially near Tahoe, where it's just all nature and beautiful and you feel like you feel like you relax. You're not stuck

in traffic for 20 minutes. You're going to go two miles in 20 minutes. I mean, if you're in Vegas and you're trying to go down the strip and you're trying to go from one end of the strip to the other end on a Friday night, good fucking luck. It might take you hours. And that's every day in Orange County.

Every day. I mean, you can get traffic in Orange County at 4 o'clock in the morning. You can somehow or another run into traffic. That's why I got here an hour early because I was in fucking was in fucking irvine and i'm like oh i gotta go now i mean it's yeah when i texted you i think it was like two in the afternoon i'm like i wonder if that's enough time for him to get out here yeah seriously yeah it's so fucking stupid so you go to a place like reno and you feel that that nature and you go i could live like this though like why would i yeah i got a

fucking hot girlfriend i got you know she got a cute kid i got a cute kid and cost of living is super low and all i need is a nice little all-wheel drive you know subaru or something or audi and just hit that fucking kingsburyop, you know? Would you train up there? Yeah, I would do my training camps down in Orange County still. But if I could just get away and, I mean, there is gyms up there. Is there high-level gyms? There's Reno or Nevada Muay Thai, which is, I think, the best gym up there. And they have Charles Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

So they got some good black belts. Oh, that's nice. And that's all in Reno? Yeah. How many people live in Reno? It's getting bigger. And it's getting, I mean, like the food's getting really good. Really? And yeah, there's, and every, you know, my girlfriend, like I said, is kind of the face

of the area. And she's always around other hot, that's what I get to see. I get to see hot women all the time. She runs a promotional company. So this is all kind of coming together slowly. I get it. Now I understand. I want to reach makes sense now. I get it. Yeah, at first, the move to Reno,

I didn't get it. The caliber of ass that comes out of even her little town of Minden is fucking incredible. I'm like, wow,

this place is great. That's interesting. Because I think of, it's biased, of course, but I think, I've never been to Reno, but I think of Reno,

I might have been to Reno, but I don't remember it, but I think of Doug Stanhope recorded his CD there once because Doug likes to go to fucked up places and record things. He did one of them in oslo norway like i don't know why the fuck he did that they barely even understood what he was saying he but he recorded

his first cd in uh reno and the voice that's chalked off on a list of places i don't need to go to listen to that cd i'm like yeah i don't need to go there it's changed very recently where it's becoming cool it's becoming kind of portlandish but minus the fucking douchey let's save the world kind of shit it's like when did that happen recently super recently like how how many years past five years maybe what what caused it people probably realized people realize that we're fucking everything up and we're douchebags and everyone's like okay but it's it's just it're douchebags and everyone's like, okay. But it's just so outdoorsy and it's still got the fucking casinos and they're starting to become nicer.

But there's always something going on. The only other guy I know that lives in Reno is my friend Remy. There's a show called Solo Hunters where he goes hunting by himself. He's a guide and he's kind of a famous hunter and he goes by himself and just brings like these cameras

and GoPros and shit and films everything and then edits it all together. These crazy, crazy hunts that he goes on. I want to kill

something with a sword. That is possible but not likely. You're really good with a sword? Yes. I got a black belt in Sansu

when I was younger. Kung Fu Sansu. Oh, really? I was just good with weapons. It I got a black belt in Sansu when I was younger Kung Fu Sansu oh really I was just good with weapons it was all like fright strokes and groin shit and like

I was just good with a weapon have you ever like put on the kendo gear and done that no that looks fun that does look cool beat the shit out of each other

with pillows on your body well I think it looks like oh you're thinking of kendo sticks yeah yeah yeah yeah David Lee Roth

moved to Japan and he practices kendo all day. He does Kendo every day. Well, it's because he's David Lee Roth. He's a gangster. Yeah. He's fucking awesome. David Lee Roth.

Diamond Dave, dude. Fucking high-kicking and shit. Took his dog. Yeah, took his dog. Got on a fucking plane at, like, what, 60? Is he 60? Moved to fucking Japan, and he's taking Kendo lessons under some great fucking samurai warrior character they tried to do it for fight quest that was one of the ones that we they tried to do and

apparently this association is unbelievably strict really isn't like oh we have our kendo school we do we want no it's like the hierarchy is very very rigid and they were like no fuck I just want to I want a pig to run at me and just soon and then just have it slide yeah that was being the food you do not want a pig to run at you. That is the last thing you want. Those motherfuckers. When we were at Tahone Ranch when I was pig hunting,

they had a skull from this one really big boar that they killed. It was a 450-pound boar, and the fucking teeth were like two fingers, and they were sticking out like this, these tusks. And they would tell you that they run by you. They just run at you and literally tear at the side of you with these tusks. They use these tusks almost like as, you remember those carts, those chariots? They used to have those wheels with the blades sticking off of them.

That's what the hogs do. They run by you and just slice you up. Those things will fuck you up. They will fuck you up. Let me think of my idea. Yeah, you don't want a sword. Always best with a rifle. Yeah, rifles to move for a pig Always best with a rifle Yeah, rifle's the move for a pig

Bone arrow's good, but There's a very small window to get a boar with a bone arrow Jared Allen with a fucking spear Well, they have difficult organs to reach And they also have an incredibly dense upper body Like their upper body The thick skin around their neck And cape

It literally is like some sort of Shield that they're wearing. When I was in camp, I killed a female pig, but there was a guy there that killed a big boar. And they were explaining to me, this is why shot placement is critical when it comes to archery. Touch this. And it was like a saddle, like a horse saddle.

That's what it felt like around the neck because they're constantly cutting each other up and fucking each other up. So they have like this thick meat all around their body. Can you eat that meat or is that just the shoe? Fuck yeah. I was going to say it's got to be good. Well, the pork is very good. I love wild boar.

It tastes like boar. Yeah, it's awesome. Especially smoked. I smoked a ham. And I'm telling you, it was one of the best things I've ever eaten. It was delicious. And super healthy. Much healthier than a pig that you get in a grocery store. Because these are just eating acorns and they're they're running around they're real

muscular so they're it's like a dense rich dark protein super good for you man their meat's all oxygenated and fucking if you wind up going up to reno you'll get a lot of elk there's a lot of elk up in reno there's a lot of people that have you know a lot of hunters up there i'm sure you can probably buy it up there too yeah i'd want to go kill it myself i would just go with with my girlfriend's cousins they fucking that's their thing like they i i one of them took me fishing over the winter out to the rivers you know we just he's like yeah throw it there and i missed no no throw it right there and i missed again he's like give me that threw right in the spot and caught a fish did he see it or you just know where the pool was he saw it and i mean he's like and we're driving by and

he's like we're driving from the highway and it's 100 feet down to see the river he's like oh you see the fish coming up like no man he's driving yeah we're driving his pay attention to the road bitch he's like you see that seriously i don't fucking get your fucking eyes off the river i'm like i don't know man so he went down there and he he just wherever he tells you to put it if you can let once you land it in that exact spot you pull in a fucking fish i'm like how many have you caught that fish? He'll look at it and be like, maybe not this one. I don't know.

He's like, I've seen fish with talon marks on them that I've caught before. Talon marks from an eagle? Yeah. There's eagles up in Rio? Oh, fuck yeah. There's a bunch up there in that area. Wow. I've seen like 10 in one spot in Tahoe.

No shit. Like I said, my grandparents have had spots all over the lake, but like right on the lake. So you just sit in their backyard in the fucking, in the winter especially, because it's all white. You know, you can just see these big fucking birds. I saw my first live eagle last summer in Alaska. Really? It's incredible. Incredible.

Alaska's fucking amazing. It flew over our boat. Me and my friend Ari Shafir, we went up there fishing and we did a gig up there. Fucking had a great time. But when we were taking the boat to the spot on the river, this fucking eagle flew over our head. This huge eagle just...

Big ass fucking legs and shit tucked up inside. Big fucking talons. Gigantic, man. They're such big birds, man. About to fucking snatch you up and take you home. Just looking for the same shit

I'm looking for. Trying to steal some salmon. Yep. But they're so big and there's so many of them. You to steal some salmon. Yep. But they're so big. And there's so many of them. You see them up there. The people say they're like pigeons. Like, they think of them as like pigeons.

A nuisance bird? Yeah. Yeah. The American eagle. American eagles. God damn it. God damn it. Our national bird is a nuisance bird.

That's a problem, too, because if it got so overpopulated, they would never get so overpopulated in America or down, I mean. Alaska's not really America. It's kind of America, but whatever. But if they got down here and they got that overpopulated and they started stealing cats and shit it would become a real problem. That might be an issue. Like the wolves now?

In my neighborhood I have a problem with owls. I don't have a problem with owls. But there is an owl problem. They'll fuck up some cats. If you leave your cat outside outside an owl catches your cat slipping you'll come fucking swoop down owls people don't think of owls as being like vicious predators they are they're ruthless all birds and they're big owls are big i had an owl on my back porch this motherfucker was three feet tall it was like this tall just sitting there i'm like god, I didn't know owls were that big.

Creepy fucker with his backwards head. What else I want to talk about next? There was a four foot, four and a half foot raccoon beating the shit out of my sister's dog. Oh, no. Smacking the shit out of it. She was yelping. I'm like, I had to go out there and save my sister's dog.

Dude, raccoons will fuck you up. They are fucking huge, dude. They're fucking vicious. Have you ever seen that video of Kevin Rose? He's from, what is he from? Dig. From Dig.com. He created Dig.

And his dog was getting attacked by a raccoon. So he picked the raccoon up. And they got it on security camera. Picked the raccoon up and threw it down a flight of stairs but it's pretty fucking gangster the way he does it he grabs the raccoon by its back to see if you can find it see if you find it he's got it and and no fear rabies walk rabies he just loved his dog so he just fucking did it you know he just had to do it. And look at, this is, you had it. Oh, shit. That's, so the, he runs up to the raccoon. Isn't that crazy?

Look at him throwing that thing. Look at that thing's leg and it's twirling, too. He's got some fucking balls, man. He's got balls, dude, because he didn't, like, try to underhand it. He brought it behind his head. Flung it. He fucking hated that raccoon. That guy's badass.

They will fuck your pets up if you are not careful. That is wild, man, that he did that. Meanwhile, the raccoon probably walked it off like it was nothing. This is it. My dog, Toaster, crying and yelping in pain. I discovered a raccoon attacking him. I do not encourage animal violence. I want to get the wild animals

as far away from us as possible. Toaster is okay, but it has some claw and bite marks. Look at it. There's a dog and the raccoon

are going at it, man. And he sees that shit and he just runs up and grabs that motherfucker and whips it. He runs after it, too. He's a bad motherfucker. Kevin Rose is a bad motherfucker.

That is gangster. But it looks like he owns a poodle. I'm just going to throw that out there. His dog's kind of a... What are you going to do about that? Throw that out there. A little counterpoint. I'm not even sure if he's straight.

I'm not even sure if he's straight. So, you know, whatever. Whatever. Look at it. He went after that raccoon after he threw it. He's a fucking crazy prick. That guy's a madman. I'd take that raccoon and he threw it. He's a fucking crazy prick. That guy's a madman. I'd take that raccoon and turn him into a hat.

Oh, done deal. Stomp on his little head. Dude, my dad's from Kentucky. He was hunting since he was like three. He's eaten everything there is in the woods. Oh, a million times. Raccoons, squirrels, snakes, all kinds of shit. I ate beaver when I was in Wisconsin, and I don't mean what you think.

I was going to say, I ate beaver all the time. I had a beaver stew. Steve Rinella, he slow simmered a beaver. He caught a beaver, killed it, turned its body into mittens. I saw that on your Instagram. Yeah, that's the same beaver. I ate some of that beaver. It was really delicious.

Yeah. Tasted good. It tasted like beef, like a beef pot roast. That's what same beaver. I ate some of that beaver. It was really delicious. Yeah. Tasted good. Tasted like beef. Like a beef pot roast. That's what it tasted like. Man. The taste. I have eaten.

No, no, no. I will eat anything. Like, I will eat anything. And my daddy did eat things that I will not touch. And my mom will eat things. Like, I have parents that are even worse. I'm known for eating anything. Like, balut in the Philippines

you know I'm eating all kinds of shit it doesn't really I don't doesn't bother me only thing I refuse to eat what I drank this whole thing

of turtle blood one time what? yeah why the fuck did you drink turtle blood? it was like a thing for the gym like

really? when I fought Kyokushin they said it's a thing in our gym first they gave me a curry that was so it was the hottest thing i've ever eaten and i like spicy food it burned from like the moment all you could feel what all your intestines were like it went all the way through my intestines

burning everything and i just kept eating it and other guys reading they were meditating they had towels on their heads like blocking out the pain and they're crying and stuff and I'm eating it and I'm just, man, it's fucking hot and I just kept eating it and the instructor turns to our translator and goes,

oh, they didn't have some shit in Japanese and the instructor, the translator turns to me and goes, you're very tough. A lot of people pass out and have to go to the emergency room. Like,

a lot of people die. They're like, what? She goes, no, no, no, they have to pump them

or they'll die. It starts burning and I was like, are you fucking kidding me? And I finished it. I ate the thing. How was your ass? Oh, man. Oh, my goodness.

That's a good question. That's a great question. I didn't even think about that. It burned on the way out. A second burn. It didn't burn as bad as it did on the way down. It was burning like, oh, this is uncomfortable. And not, oh, shit, I'm in big trouble burning. burning and then the next night we went to this old school sushi place

in the middle of tokyo and they have a thing where it's like a mug like a beer stein full of turtle blood you have this turtle soup and they put the blood in this thing and they usually mix with alcohol but i don't drink so they had to mix it with some kind of juice and they mix it all up and like here you go and i'm like all right and i drank this whole mug of turtle blood man just chugged it an entire stein of turtle blood i chugged the whole thing how many ounces like 12 16 like a beer mug like a beer stein oh it's like 24 it was a lot like a big bulb yeah it was a lot and i just chugged it man i was like all like, all right, there you go. And set it down. What did it taste like? It actually wasn't bad. It wasn't that strong.

So it tasted like whatever. It had like an apple juice or something. So I usually put booze in there, and I won't drink. So they had like apple juice mixed with the turtle blood. It tasted more like apple juice. So I just drank the whole thing. Oh, so it wasn't bad at all then. It was actually something.

To me, no. I didn't think the blood taste was that strong. But I'm sure it would gross out a lot of people And they couldn't get through it I didn't really care Your mouth was still burning from the fucking curry Yeah, from that curry I didn't taste shit, man

That was the deal They just hazed us pretty bad on that shit They cut out a lot of it on the show Why? Because you could only fit so much in the TV show When I went to Gracie Humata in Brazil I fought everyone in the room for three and a half to gracie humata in brazil i fought everyone in the room for three and a half hours whoa okay by the time i was done i was like that gi burn all

over my face like and no we're doing you know 15 black belts it wasn't like how many times did you tap i don't even remember because the first 45 minutes i'm doing fine right and then after that your body just starts giving giving out on you and they don't stop and they're all and then i look around and i realize that nobody else is fighting but me i like i'm in the middle and they're all waiting on the mat just to face me and so i'm just riding the snake for three and out three and a half hours that is some annoying shit when you see it's sitting there waiting to roll with you and he's not rolling he's waiting for you to get tired and then as soon as your turn is up the bell rings, and he's not rolling. He's waiting for you to get tired. Waiting for you.

And then as soon as your turn is up, the bell rings, and then he's like, you want to go? And you're like, what have you been doing for the past fucking 10 minutes, bitch? Imagine a whole class full of that guy. And I mean, like I said, 15 black belts. And it wasn't, I mean, this is the original Gracie Academy. It wasn't like a bunch of chumps here. I mean, these guys were amazing. As good as it gets.

Then the next day I came in, and they did the exact same thing to me. Oh my goodness. I couldn't, I wasn't moving. As good as it gets. Then the next day I came in, and they did the exact same thing to me. Oh, my goodness. I wasn't moving great by the end of that. And then I got, not food poisoning, they made me swim out in Ipanema Beach. They wanted a shot of me swimming. And they said, okay, we want you to swim from here to here. And I went, all right. And then that night, I got sicker than I've ever been in my whole life.

The sound guy got sick listening to me puke. He was holding the mic going, like, he got sicker than I've ever been in my whole life The sound guy got sick Listening to me puke He was holding the mic going He got sick He literally got sick listening to me get sick Because I was shitting and puking From the water? In your mouth? They had me swim Where the favela runoff goes

Nobody told The producers didn't research anything They just said swim from there to there because it would look good i went all right fine well when i went back to fucking brazil and i went to go i went yeah i swam out there and the local looks at me and he goes you can't swim out there that's where the favela runs off and i went oh and they go no no no you can't swim out there he was american no no you can't swim out there. He goes, American? No, no, no, you can't swim out there. And I'm like, oh, that's why I got so sick.

You swam in favela shit water. Yeah, and the next day I had to fight the guy for the final fight in Fight Quest. And I remember standing there, and I was so sick that I was swaying. You know how you're so sick you're swaying like you can't stand still? And I was swaying around. you're swaying like you can't stand still and i was swaying around and because they wanted footage to cut i fought the guy for 20 24 minutes oh my like it wasn't like a seven you know i was a pro belt at the time wasn't a seven minute match they had us do it three times so and this guy was like ready for he was amazing he was not only was he really good i was sicker than a goddamn dog so it was just terrible so So that happened a lot.

Like, there were a lot of things that just didn't make the cut that were like, oh, that's like the show. It was rough, man. That's the problem with having a show that's got to be an hour.

It's got to fit between this time. Like, no, it should be fucking hours and hours long. You should have to watch all of it. Just watch it. I mean, that sounds like a lot of entertaining shit

went down. Yeah, a lot of stuff. I mean, it was cool, man. It was an experience of a lifetime doing that kind of stuff. I would have liked to have seen the video of the guy telling you that that's where the favela runoff goes. I was so pissed.

And knowing that you were sick. That's a month later. They missed out. I went back to Brazil and I was like... I trained with Novinol down in Brazil on that trip. And I was just down there for vacation. I did an M1 show and decided to stay for a few weeks. And yeah, I went back to that beach and a local said, no, no, you can't swim out there.

That's shit water, basically. I was like, fuck. They missed that opportunity. I got so goddamn sick. It was horrible. Yeah, that's not. He probably still has something in you. I was in.

Yeah, probably. I was in the emergency room in Rio and I can't. I was lying on the floor because I couldn't sit up. And a doctor came by and said, get him in a room right now. And I'm in the emergency room in Rio. So it wasn't like I'm out in the middle of nowhere. It's a packed emergency room in a major city. And they went, get him in an emergency room right now.

Get him in a room. And you had to fight the next day. Fought the next day. God damn. Oh, God. I fought like ass. You should have just shit all next day. Fought the next day. God damn. Oh, God. It was awful. I fought like ass. You should have just shit all over the dude.

I should have just shit all over him. But I didn't. I kept my... Kept your butthole clenched. I kept my butthole clenched up and kept rolling, man. You know? That sounded like it was a fun show to do, though. It was.

It was a blast to do. It really was. It really was. It was just the disconnect between the the people who made the show the producers and everything weren't fighters they weren't martial arts didn't understand anything and right so doug got when we were doing kyokushin japan he got concussed so badly he didn't he couldn't see out of his eye he had a hemorrhage behind his eye and he couldn't see out of it and and and they they would go to me and go well what do you think's wrong with doug and i go i'm not a medical

professional i can't you know his knee was like grapefruit sized or like a melon sized and they were like what's wrong with him and i go i'm not dr smith i go they're like nine things that could be wrong to create those symptoms he needs an mri and they went oh he'll be all right and he fought like they didn't this is't... They weren't staff. Could have been anything. But these weren't sanctioned athletic events. So they didn't test us for anything.

If we could get out there and fight, we fought. That is a problem with reality TV. That's the problem with reality TV. There's no... I remember a producer doesn't know like is that safe they don't know we shot on the edge of a volcano one time and all these signs going like there's there was there was a uh like a guardrail to keep from

going out with this poisonous gas well the camera guy goes oh it'd be a great shot if we got out there and this is in indonesia and he just turns to the the guy the ranger and says can we just go we're just gonna go right out there just is that cool and the guy just kind of threw his hands up going yeah go ahead and he goes and then so we went out there and he goes all right well how about that one and so we did this shot and i turn around and we are 60 yards behind do not cross poisonous gas don't go over this line and the camera guy somehow talked his dude into letting us get all the way out there and the guy starts talking and our translator turns to us and goes yeah there are rivers of poisonous gas around where you're shooting if you fall that's it for you basically and i'm like doing stuff on the top of this mountain and they're like

yeah if you fall that's it for you And the producers don't give a fuck. They do not care. If it's good for the show, god damn it, get your ass out there and do it. That's the attitude of reality TV, too. That's the attitude. So it was this combination of fighting and reality TV. So it was interesting because they don't know. And I had to go, hey, Doug needs a concussion check. And they went, well, I go, or I said we need concussion checks.

After we fought five guys in the Kyokushin final, I said we need concussion checks. And they said, well, how do you know? I said, listen to me. I just fought five guys in a row. I'm telling you we need to get checked out to make sure we don't have a concussion. And they're, like, fighting me on it. And I went, look, we need to go to the restroom.

We need to get concussion checks. We both got kicked in the head they're fighting i feel fine but i the whole point is i shouldn't know the difference you know if a guy's telling you doesn't need a concussion check he needs a concussion check so they went and they took us there and doug blew his nose get blood in his nose and his cheek starts blowing up like a balloon he had cracked orbital orbital bone and so air was getting out through his cheek. And so he goes, is there something wrong with my cheek? And I hit it. I pushed it.

And it was going like Rice Krispies because there was air bubbles in there. And I went, I think you cracked your orbital bone, bro. And he's like, oh, shit. OK. And then we fought again in like 10 days. We were in another country. What? We fought again with a broken orbital bone? 10 days later.

We had 10 days between shoots. That's a good way to die in Indonesia. Yeah. So that's when we started the next one. What fought again with a broken orbital bone? Ten days later. We had ten days between shoots. That's a good way to die in Indonesia. Yeah, so that's when we started the next one. What the fuck, man? That was just our lives, man. How old were you then? I turned 30 during the show,

so I was 29 for most of it. So you were young enough to be talking to something really fucking stupid. But I also, but also like defensively, like the problem, Doug really got beat on.

My co-host on the show, because I fought professionally. When I'm in deep shit in the show, I would put my hands up and move my head and, you know, I've been around the block enough to know that when I was outgunned, I was fighting a heavyweight. Okay, fine. I can cover up and not get hurt. Go straight defense. He had no idea how to do that and would just get hammered. What was his background? None. He was no idea how to do that and would just get hammered. What was his background? None.

He was a military guy. He had been in Iraq and had been a bodyguard in Iraq and had done some amateur fights. So he just didn't have the wherewithal to go, you know, when you're fighting six guys, I'm going to make it look good for three of those guys. And then for the rest, I'm slipping and moving and, you know, I'm working on using my defensive skills. He didn't have that skill set. So when the water got got too deep he would just get hammered like hammered and I'd have to talk to producers and go you can't one time we were in Indonesia and he's a real jovial guy he's a lot like you he's a joker he's a smaller guy so he's funny and

he was just depressed like to the point of like he wasn't the same dude and the producers went what's wrong with doug and i said he's getting beaten up every fucking week you can't put him through this physically and mentally every week like he's starting to break down and we're on like week six whatever it was i go he you can't it's like at the gym. Like, when you get hazed, that's fine. If you haze a guy every day for a month, he starts just falling apart. You can't. I mean, every good coach knows that. Like, you go with guys that are higher level, but at a certain point, you know, give him those times where he's feeling good. And if you don't have those, you start breaking down, and Doug started just breaking down.

Well, there's also your whole hormonal system gets fucked up because of head trauma. Bad. That's what they're finding out about head trauma. Head trauma and... Pituitary gland just doesn't produce the chemicals it needs. When it gets smashed by a shin kick, it just doesn't work the right way. Which is the big argument about this TRT

shit. Because they're saying if these guys need TRT, it could be... There's something wrong. Because they're getting kicked in the head all the time. It's either that or steroids or there's a medical issue on top of that. So how many people have that medical issue? It's a small percentage. Most of them. Hypogandhism?

Yeah. Gonadism. Hypogonadism. Most of them, it's either steroid abuse or they're getting hit in the head too much or weight cutting. Weight cutting is a big one too. I had a doctor tell me, he goes goes no functioning athlete should need trt he's like if if you need trt something's wrong you've been your endocrine system is screwed there's something that's happened to fuck you up

yeah a prime at you shouldn't be thinking about trt therapy until you're like 45 50 until you're literally not you know i'm not producing obsession i'm getting old. It's like a prime athlete shouldn't have that. And the only doctors I've talked to have given me, they've said, shouldn't happen if you're that age unless something's wrong. Yeah, there were guys in the UFC that had it in their 20s. Yeah. And you're kind of like, what? What? What?

Hmm? He may be like Antonio Silva because he's got fucking gigantism. He's a very extreme example. He's a special case, period. It makes sense that he would need it. But, you know, it's fucking such a crazy situation because they let it through for a while. Yeah. You know, so a guy like Chael Sonnen is kind of like the canary in a coal mine.

He's kind of like one of the first guys, you know, and had the issue after the Anderson Silva fight where he said, they said it was clear, but it wasn't cleared, and almost won the title, and then was suspended for a long time, and then came back, and then failed that test, and then failed this new test, and so. But the problem with this new test, the last test he had that obviously was things to deal with the TRT therapy,

what I've read and the argument is going to be how does this affect his legacy in that did he retire because he knew he had pissed off for this other test and didn't want that to come in public? And it just raises all these questions about, well, he's on all this other stuff. He knew he took the test already, the one in Oregon. Was he retiring because, oh, man, I pissed off for this one too and trying to get out? I mean, it just casts a lot of serious doubt on his legacy when you throw in the new test that got announced today. That's huge.

Okay, but do you question Vanderlei's legacy? A little bit. We're all sitting here talking about when Vanderlei was at his best, motherfucker was juiced beyond. We're sitting here talking about, man, when Vanderlei was at his best, he was a walking pharmacy. We're assuming that. Assuming.

But that's legacy. When you say Vanderlei Silva, Joe, what do you think of? This roided-out beast killing people in pride. Different time. Different time, but it's still what we're thinking about. It's still in our head. It's still part of the conversation we just had about a prime Vanderlei involved pharmaceutical products. That's legacy.

Yeah, you got a good point. It is. It's what you talk about. He's still my favorite yeah exactly man i put my flag on this bitch vanderley fan till the day i die i love the guy to death but like i said when you say legacy yeah you're thinking what do i think of when i think of that no absolutely it's true i mean look it's something that has to be considered and with chael you know there's more than one situation, more than one instance of it. So it's a part of his legacy.

But I think Chael's legacy ultimately is going to be more of a self-promoter than even of a fighter. I think he's the best shit-talker ever. By far. His mouth is bronzed. He's the greatest. I love his shit-talking. And it made him. I mean, you think about it.

He has a victory over Shogun. Huge victory. Submission win. The Anderson fight, the first one, very close fight. Gets submitted in the final round. I mean, there's a lot of good moments in his career. Leading up to the Anderson Silva fight, I remember he had beaten Nate Marquardt. That was a great fight.

Great fight. He had beaten, I want to say say Yushin Okami before that? Yeah, he beat Okami. Decisions. I mean, you know, I remember not thinking he had much of a shot. I remember thinking, oh, those are good wins against solid guys, but they weren't blowouts. He didn't destroy those guys.

They were decision wins. His mouth sold that fight. Yeah. i don't remember a lot of people thinking before he started talking that he had a great shot his mouth made that fight i've heard from more than one person that they were worried that anderson silva because remember he had fought talus latest this goofy weird fight the damien maya fight the weird clowning kind of fight that dana was furious at Anderson Silva, and they were worried about him putting his fight on an undercard. He was threatening

to put it on an undercard. I don't know how real that is. But Shale went, fuck it, I gotta sell this thing. And that's when the mouth came out, because he hadn't really done that before. It was before that fight that it all came out. And his teammate, one of his teammates, or his old coach told me, he goes, they were worried Anderson Silva versus Shale was going to be on an undercard

because his other performances had been so weird that they were going to kind of punish him. So that Shale went, fuck, I got to sell this thing. And just started running his mouth off and made a fight that on paper, I don't think was super compelling into like must-see TV. And then it became must-see TV. And then it became a thing. You can't. The problem with a character, and I tell this to

fighters all the time, if it's not you, be careful. It becomes you. If it's not you, if you aren't comfortable, Mayhem Miller became a dude. Mayhem became a person. It used to be a nickname when I first met him. Now it's a guy.

I'm Mayhem. If you aren't comfortable being that guy, please don't start because you can't just stop. Imagine not wanting to be Hulk Hogan. When people come up to you and go, hey, you have to be Hulk. He can't be whatever his name is.

I'm ready to do it right now, bro. I can't not be that guy. I tell fighters, be careful with that shit. Because once you start, you cannot stop. The ultimate warrior died. The ultimate warrior. The ultimate warrior died in a fucking basement.

In his mom's basement. Mom, fucking me, though. Where my warrior gone? Seriously. That's so true. You can't just turn it off. The iron sheet can't go, you know what? I'm really sick of this shtick.

He can't. He's got to be that guy or else don't start. Don't create a character to hype a fight and for the rest of your life, you are Hulk Hogan or you're the Ultimate Warrior or you're some character you don't believe in because it won't go away. That is hilarious. People will talk to you and be disappointed that, man, you're pretty normal. I'm just, one of the things that I really liked is that people, fans of Fight Quest met me and went, wow, you're not that different.

Like, you're not any different. Yeah. Like, the show is just you doing stuff. People who see my commentary and meet me in real life go, well, you're not any different, really. I don't have to create a guy that I have to be when people come up and I gotta be Fight Quest Jimmy. I don't have to be that guy. Bobcat Goldthwait struggled with that forever.

Bobcat, for the longest time, his comedy act... He would do that, like he would deliver punchlines like this! And then, after a while, I mean, it was hilarious, but after a while, he got tired of fucking doing that. He had a great comedy DVD called Is He Like That All the Time?

Do you remember that? Yeah. Bobcat Goldthwait, Is He Like That All the Time? Yeah. And he's a really, really smart guy with insightful things to say about stuff. But I don't think he does that at all anymore. He's allowed to be himself now. There was a transitionary period.

He's been on the podcast before. He's great. I love him. He made a Bigfoot movie, man. Really? Yeah. A horror movie. It's good. It's coming out soon. We're going to have some sort of a release party. I'm in. I don't even know shit. I'm in, dude. Bobcat? I'm in, dude. All right.

Bobcat? So am I, dude. Done. Ian and I, we're in, bro. It'll be a screening somewhere. I'll let you guys know when it takes place. But Bobcat, I've seen it already.

It's really fucking good. He had a really good Bigfoot movie. It's called Willow Creek. That is not easy to pull off, too. A really good Bigfoot movie. Scary. It got 93 on Rotten Tomatoes. That's good good 93 fucking percent

on rotten tomatoes that's huge or imdb one of those things whatever it is but it's it's good it's like a blair witch style filming all right like these people that went out looking to make a film about uh bigfoot and then they you know they pieced together this documentary based on their unedited footage that's's fucking good. That's crazy. Yeah, Bob, he's a big believer in Bigfoot, man. I wish Bigfoot was real. I'd show it to you. That'd be awesome.

I have a theory that if he's real, he has to be gay. That's why there's only 10 of them. Otherwise, they'd be everywhere because no one's eating Bigfoot babies. Who's keeping them from breeding? That is way too much logic for most people because most people, when you start talking about, you know you need a breeding population of something. They look at you with this blank stare and you need a breeding population of something they look at you with this blank stare

and you go there has to be enough of them to have genetic variety and have babies does this make sense to anybody there's not one big foot

oh of course you can't find a big foot you've got to be in population I know them the pacific northwest is so vast there could be

thousands of them I believe there's about 10,000 Sasquatch in North America approximately when I did that show for Sci-Fi, Joe Rogan questions everything, I talked to all those fucking goofballs.

I talked to those people in depth for hours. I went squatching. I went out in the woods with those people for days. Poking around in the forest. Just poking around, looking at animals. There's a lot of shit out there. There's a lot of weird shit out there. Things you'll never see. You could live the rest of your life and never see a mountain lion or live the rest of your

life and never see a wolverine and we know that they're real so in their logic they're like but there are people who are very credible witnesses who tell it here's the problem man i went bear hunting recently and when i was hunting i saw a squirrel for a half a second i thought that squirrel was a wolf for one half of one second, I was like, I thought it was a fucking squirrel, you asshole. That highlights. And this was in fairly good light. And you've been in the woods. Yeah, I'm hunting.

I'm wearing camo. I got a fucking bow in my hand. I'm there for the full experience, And I thought a squirrel was a wolf I mean it was only for a half a second But it happened I was like a fucking wolf No it's not a fucking wolf you asshole It was that much time

That's awesome That's what happens man You see a bear And you see a bear standing up on it's back feet Which they do I've seen bears do it they stand up on their back feet it's weird to see because they're big as fuck when you see a seven foot tall bear standing up on his back feet and he's near a tree and if you see that from really far away and if you're in the woods the problem also is you're not seeing it's not like

it's in a field yeah you're seeing it in between trees so you're not getting a good view of it you're getting a view of it from whatever even if it's in the pacific northwest especially it's so dense if it's 20 yards away from you you're looking at a sliver of it through a dozen trees at least probably more like a hundred trees depth perceptions just fuck it's all fucked the perceptions fuck what you're looking at is fucked and then if you convince yourself that it was a guy standing up that was like black and covered with hair, you're like, oh my God, I saw Bigfoot. And then you start painting it in your head that it was Bigfoot. It's a bear, you dumb fuck.

It's a black bear. A big, tall black bear that was scratching his back on a tree. Oh, we saw them rubbing their pussies on trees. Yep. The females, they back their pussy up to trees. And they start rubbing their pussies on trees. Start tw that they get their ass they get horny and they start freaking you got sometimes you gotta you gotta just find a way well my favorite is there's nothing like that in the fossil record and they look at you with another blank stare like you know we've we found

every creature that's in the woods now millions of years of versions of those creatures you know we've never seen anything like a bigfoot that's where you're wrong gigantopithecus yeah gigantopithecus is yeah but it is so incredible have you seen one of those things yeah it is unbelievably gigantic there's no transitional i've heard that that same theory there's no transitional species that they found like to go from there to anything bigfoot size there's no bigfoot would be that big. See, the thing about Gigantopithecus that's really fascinating is they didn't even know it existed until the 1920s. Some guy was in an apothecary shop in China. Found a tooth.

Yeah. They found a tooth, unknown primate tooth, tried to figure out what it was, asked the guy, where'd you get this? They take him to this place. They find more bones, and they find a jawbone that seems to indicate a bipedal hominid. Because of the position of the jawbone, with animals that are walking on R4s, their jaws position differently than someone standing straight up. So, but based on jawbones and a couple other pieces, they put together this enormous primate that they think is between 8 and 10 feet tall. Which is what a lot of people say the Bigfoot is, between 8 and 10 feet tall. The other thing that's weird is that the Giganopithecus existed as recently as 100,000 years ago, documented,

and lived in Asia, which is exactly where the Bering Strait connected to the North American landmass before the last Ice Age. So if something did walk across during the Ice Age and followed people, which is what they think happened, that people walked across that and came to North America. That's why when they test Native Americans, they test their DNA, they find that a lot of them are related to people from Siberia, which is kind of fascinating. So the animal, if it did exist at the time,

they don't know if it existed 15,000, 20,000 years ago. They know it existed 100,000 years ago. That's a long, long gap. But if that thing did come and lived in the Pacific Northwest, the idea is that a small amount of them would still be there. There is a thing in Siberia, they call them almas. That's their word for the wild man. That are like either big Neanderthal or small,

I can never say the word, gigantopithecus? Yeah, gigantopithecus. Gigantopithecus. So the Russians have their own kind of Bigfoot called an Alma. And in the mid-1800s, there's a story of one called Zana that they had captured. And some crazy fucker had sex with it. And they produced half Alma kids. And their descendants still live in this village in the steppes of Russia.

Yeah. So likely. Crazy stories out there. Totally likely. Crazy stories out there. Probably definitely happened. I'd fuck Bigfoot. Neanderthals were short as fuck.

Neanderthals were short and strong as shit. Weren't they super dense? Five feet tall, 200 pounds. Yep. Dense as fuck. Yeah, they were weird built. Break your shit. They were built way more like a gorilla than they were like a person.

Yeah. They had like way dense, thick muscles. And it's interesting that we don't know what they really looked like either. We have these ideas that they make, you know, we don't know what the color of their skin was. It's just total speculation as to what color their skin was. You know, we don't know what they looked like. They could have looked way more like some sort of an ape. Yeah. We do know that they

Fuck people though And that people fuck them Yes We know there's There's a whole lot Of fucking going on Cro-Magnon either Pushed them out

Or interbred with them They're competing Fucked them into extinction Fucked them into extinction man Just took all those Crazy freak Neanderthal bitches And fucked the shit out of them

Killed their husbands And just That's a good way Sounds like a good Set of genocide right there. Just fucking and killing everything. It is interesting because they think now, they're starting to think that Neanderthals are way smarter

than we thought they were. Because their brains are actually larger than Homo sapiens. And they thought that those brains that were larger was to compensate for the extra muscle mass and all the different functions that their body was able to perform that ours weren't. Because they were way stronger than people. Yeah.

If we had a Neanderthal that was fighting in the UFC, he would make Husamal Parhares look like Brad Pickett. Just teach him fucking leg locks? Yeah. Teach him leg locks and set it out there. Imagine what those fucking things would look like. Just thick, fucking five foot tall, 200 pound, dense ass, thick bones, giant elbows and shit. Fuck you up.

Extra long arms, short legs. You got a punch that just catches you and pulls you in. You punch it. That was it for you. Our design sucks so hard. The jawbone of the modern human. Yeah. You know, you see guys get rocked.

Like Schilling and Simon Marcus Perfect shot on the jaw Shuts everything off Not the Anderthals Nope It's like punching a forehead Part of the reason Part of the reason their heads were shaped differently

Is they had extra attachments here For neck muscles Also for biting raw meat Just chewing through fucking wood Through a hide When they didn't have time to invent knives. Just fucking chewing through a fucking woolly mammoth's face. Jumping off a rock and trying to fucking take it down.

Yeah, that's not a good way to live. They don't know what fucking killed those people off. It's fascinating. They could have also died off at the end of the Ice Age, they think. Because Neanderthals, I don't know if they know when the last ones existed, but they think it's as recently as 40,000 years ago.

Yeah. I think that was the most recent explanations or ideas. But that's also like 10,000 years ago is when the woolly mammoth died off and the saber-toothed tiger. And that's also that coincided with the end of the Ice Age.

And so there's a bunch of guys that think that that happened because of asteroidal impacts that might have wiped off a gigantic slice of the population and neanderthal might have been too stupid to survive i don't know if that makes any sense though i like the fucking theory better there is a little more awesome i must say could you imagine if we found Neanderthals, though? And they would be technically human. So if some, like, shoot-the-box type dude went out there and recruited them, Vandelay recruited them, you know, brought them back to America.

He's probably the closest thing to Neanderthals. Neanderthals would be fine. What did you think about Vandelay running out on his drug test? That's stupid. But the idea of, I ran out because I was on diuretics? I don't... Come on, that's...

I don't buy that. That's a little fishy. That's a little fishy, dude. And, you know, it's also coming from a guy who we sort of already decided... Strongly suspect. In our non-medical opinions.

It's been rumored, according to our friend Phil Barone, he believes it. I know people who have seen the contracts. Yeah. And who were told by officials that we test for these drugs, but we don't test for steroids. Well, Jason Chambers, they told him to get on steroids. Yeah. They wanted him to get up to 185 pounds.

Jason's like, I weigh 170. I weigh 170 right now. And it was like, bigger. Oh, 185. Much bigger. Chamberson. Wow. Come, like, bigger. Yo, 185. Much bigger. Chimason. Wow. Come, come, come.

Get to the struts. Struts. Yeah, they told him to get on steroids. Yeah. They don't, they don't, they didn't, probably they did not play, man. And he was like, I'm, I'm fucking, I don't think, this is not a good idea. Not the best idea. Yeah.

But those were interesting times, man. Like, one of my favorite times ever. I used to love getting up in the middle of the night or staying up in the middle of the night and watching those cards take place live from Japan. Fuck yeah. What time would they start? It would start like stupid late at night, right? I would get the tapes from Little Tokyo at the little rental stores that do Japanese stuff.

That's how you get them? That's how I used to get them. I was at UCLA, man, And I would Ride my bike to Downtown I didn't have a car at the time And I would go to these Video stores And they would barely speak English And I would go

I remember saying like I want MMA didn't really exist at the time It was like Pride And he looked at me and he goes And he didn't really understand me Gay pride

And I said Give up Give up Give up Give up I remember that, man. Yes, he got a fucking scream. For years,

gofungika was the only words I knew in Japanese. Five minutes left. That was the only word I knew in Japanese. But I looked at him and I go,

shit, I'm trying to think of a name and I just went, Rumunosato? And he goes, Sato Rumunane! And he points to this area where all these

Shuto and Pride tapes. Like this whole section. I remember going back there and back over and over again just to, like, because they had all these Shuto and Pride tapes. Like this whole section. I remember going back there and back over and over again just to, like, because they had all of them. And you couldn't find them anywhere.

Ruminosato was a badass fucking grappler, man. Ruminosato, dude. Back in the day. Charles Taylor, flying armbar. Dude. He was fucking so cool.

Back in the day. Jumping up on his back. And he would do grappling competitions, too. Yeah. He was a bad motherfucker. Bad mamma jamma. Yeah.

And Kauno beat him twice. And did a submission tournament and flying fucking triangle, like three out of four people. Okay, but think about the level of jiu-jitsu then and then the level of guys now. Where do you put him? I think that he was, back then, he was at the level we're at now, almost that level back then. Wow. But he was, you know, a lot of those guys, the Japanese aren't that strong. Not physically imposing.

I think that's why they have trouble in the U.S. a lot of times. Once you get the super athletes who are physically imposing that just get just as good, sure, they're slick, but, you you know and they have that like one shot one kill i'll die before i give up kind of attitude um it just they just can't deal with the physical strength of of you know american fucking muscle shit like that i i totally agree with that i think like uh if you look at the guys like uh there's no Japanese Mark Coleman's. No. Fujita? Not really. Was as close as it got? That's as close as it got.

I can make up. He was pretty close, I guess, but it was just a different sort of thing, right? That judo kid, but he never panned out to beat. Ishii? Ishii, yeah. Yeah. Well, they made him fight Fedor. I mean, how many fights was he in?

Yoshida in his first fight. Yeah, Yoshida in his first fight, Fedor within the first couple of years. That was another pride thing. They would feed guys to the goddamn wolves. Feed them to Fedor. Feed them to Fedor. What are you thinking? They love that shit.

And the knockout was brutal, too. I mean, he just really is helpless, and Fedor's just sniping him. Yeah. Just pulling back and watching them. It was exciting to watch. Hey, no one put a gun to his head, allegedly. I mean, maybe they did. I don't know. Never know, dude. It was exciting to watch. Hey, no one put a gun to his head. I mean, maybe they did. I don't know.

Never know, dude. It was a fucking one guy missing a finger. Dude, well, you know, that was another knock on Japanese fighters. They come to the U.S. and, oh, they're big in Japan and they can't do well here. It's big physical wrestlers, man.

It's hard to overcome that with that Japanese, like you said, kind of balls-out submission style. We're going hard for the submission. If you don't get it, you've got to put your head through the ground. Also, the weight-cutting aspect. They weren't cutting weight. Not nothing like Americans are cutting weight.

You would see guys weigh in, and you'd see the guy they were fighting. You're like, what? That's crazy. Like Sakurai and Matt Hughes. Perfect example. Matt Hughes was a big fucking welterweight at the time. Matt Hughes, perfect example. Matt Hughes was a big fucking welterweight at the time.

I mean, he had these garden hose muscles that would connect the back of his head to his neck. Just these thick ass neck, fucking country strong and shit. And Sakurai was just not able to deal with that. It was just a different kind of athlete. And he had good fucking passing ability, good jiu-jitsu. Very good jiu-jitsu. He was the first wrestler, in my opinion, that really learned how to not just take guys down and ground and pound them, but learn how to hit things like that far side arm bar that he hit on Georges St-Pierre when Georges St-Pierre went for that Kimura.

He had good jiu-jitsu. Yeah, he did. He had real solid skills. Good defensive skills, too. You know, like the Frank Trigg rear naked chokes. He could put guys away. He could choke guys. And that Sakurai was just not big enough to fuck with him.

Couldn't handle him. Sakurai had some good fucking kicks, though, too. Big ass legs. Good leg kicks. Fast. Fast, accurate. Love watching that guy fight. But Sato, he was one of the first guys, too.

He saw it get a little chinny. He started to go towards the end of his career. When Kyle Uno? Yeah. Yep. Clipped him. Bing. Where am I?

Yeah. In their rematch. Knocked him right out. Yeah, man. How about Kyle Uno? What a badass motherfucker that guy was. Love that guy. When he looked good, he looked fucking phenomenal.

Just super amazing. And then some days you're just like what the fuck is this guy well how about when bj just charged at him just KO'd him within the first 15-20 seconds and just left him there i mean it was like one of the weirdest assault yeah he's like i gotta get out of here before the cops get me like ran out of the cage and look back like where the fuck is he going he's going crazy crazy. Hilo! Hilo! I did it for mana! Nuts, man.

Yeah, he went crazy, man. Do you think he has a, you know, the odds are 10 to 1 against him, Frankie Edgar. 10 to 1? 10 to 1. That bad? 10 to 1. Yeah. Yeah, I'd take that at 10 to 1.

I mean, that's a couple hundred bucks on it. Yeah, I would. Yeah. Yeah, you never fucking know. I mean, it's a couple hundred bucks on it. Yeah, I would. Yeah. Yeah, you never fucking know. I mean, especially listening to what you're saying, man. Listening to what you're saying about him being in that good of shape. That was always a thing that held him back. And if there's one loss that fucks with him,

it's not the losses to Nick Diaz or Rory McDonald. The guys are just too fucking big. He shouldn't have been fighting those guys. You never should have fought at 170. And now that he's fighting at 145 and you're like, wait a minute. You used to fight at 170. You fought Machida.

Yeah, 205. What the fuck, man? You fought heavyweight. I mean, Machida was over 205. Machida was essentially a heavyweight. It was ridiculous. And here he is fighting at 145. Is there ever a guy like that that went from heavyweight down to 145?

Speaking of size disadvantage, and then he fucking ends up choking out Matt Hughes and knocking out Matt Hughes. Yeah. Knocked him out with one punch. I think that him choking out Matt Hughes could have been, in many ways, kind of the worst thing that ever happened to him. Is that he kept flirting with 170 against these gigantic dudes. That success, I don't know, maybe set his sights too high. We're going, dude, Matt Hughes is the only guy he ever beat at 170. That's interesting.

Everybody forgets, Matt Hughes is the only guy he ever beat at 170 pounds. If you're going to beat only one guy, that's pretty impressive. It is, but he kept going back to the well at 170. You're like, bro, you just going to beat only one guy. That's a pretty impressive guy. It is. But he kept going back to the well at 170. Like, bro, you just can't physically handle those guys. Well, especially George St. Pierre figured out a way to tire him out first and then beat him up. Grease your back up and you're good. Grease your chest, your back. Remember he had that guy that was doing voodoo on him and shit?

Rubbing his chest. Rubbing his chest. And they caught him putting Vaseline on his back. Like, what are you motherfuckers doing? Pretending that touching his nipples and his forehead and just fucking giving him the Holy Trinity. Greasing. You have grease on your hands.

Isn't that interesting about the UFC, too, is that they have corner men, but they don't have it like boxing has their own cut men. The UFC, they have staff cut men that work for the entire card. I think that's probably the way to do it. Smarter. Yeah, because you run into those Panama Lewis type situations.

Yep, Louis Resto. Yeah, yeah. Irish Billy. Give me the bottle I made. Yeah, that was the... The one I mix. Aaron Pryor. Aaron Pryor.

Alexis Arguello. Arguello was fucking so good back then. Yeah, the Louis Resto thing, man. That was the craziest shit ever. Yep. What was the dude's name? The Billy..., the Louis Resto thing, man. That was the craziest shit ever. Yep. What was the dude's name? The Billy... Irish Billy Collins.

Billy Collins, yeah. That was crazy. That kid committed suicide after that. Killed himself. Drove his car off a bridge. For people who don't know what we're talking about, they took Louis Resto's...

Took the padding out of his gloves. That was back in the day where boxing gloves were made out of horse hair. And they didn't have those foam pads like they have today. And sometimes they still use those horse hair gloves. That was what Maidana was trying to use with Floyd Mayweather. And they were like, bitch, you're not using these fucking gloves.

Did you ever see that video where Floyd Mayweather, but the day after the weigh-ins, they had a real problem where Mayweather was putting it. He goes, it's real simple. We ain't using these motherfucking gloves. I feel my's real simple. We ain't using these motherfucking gloves. Like, it's real simple. I feel my fucking knuckle. We ain't using these motherfucking gloves. And, you know, they're like, don't be scared.

Why are you scared? Like, be scared. Bitch, I ain't scared. I have 49 fucking fights. We're not using these gloves. Also, dude, my hands are worth $78 million. I'm not breaking them because. And not letting him have those gloves.

That was the big thing. I can hit with a hammer. My don is a vicious fucking puncher. Yes. But so they took the horse hair out of the gloves. They made a small hole and then pulled the horse hair out. And it was essentially just taped up knuckles. And he beat the shit out of Billy Collins.

Fucked his face up. Who was undefeated at the time. And a really good fighter. A little more journeyman. Yeah. And big upset. His eyes were so badly swollen. They took a photo after the fight, and the promoter said,

why don't you take it with his eyes open? He goes, those are open. Like, that's as far as he could open them. I mean, they were like just. But isn't that interesting that years later, MMA fighters were fighting bare knuckled. Yeah. Banned for life.

Both banned for life, Luis Resto and Panama Lewis, and they both did time for assault. Yeah, and then Panama Lewis went to work with Tyson afterwards, but couldn't work the corner. Cannot work the corner. Worked somehow in his camp, but couldn't work the corner. He can train guys. He can't ever corner anybody. So is he still doing that

to this day? To this day, he's still doing it. Louis Resto never got it. billy collins killed himself spiraled into depression killed himself louis resto in and out of trouble homeless drug addict never got it you know just i saw a documentary where he tried to talk to to billy collins dad he wouldn't have it. The mom forgave him. The mom and sister forgave him. But the dad wouldn't have it. And he confessed during the thing, too, that they'd wrapped his hand in this plaster stuff. The same shit that probably...

Margarito. Yeah. That margarito shit. That was in the fucking 2000s. Bleeding out of his ears, bleeding out of his eyes, his mouth, his nose. I mean, and then he, that's fucking, that's almost,

that's assault with a deadly weapon. I don't, I don't get why. And also, I never got why Louis Resto and Panama Lewis went to jail, banned for life. Margarito gets caught

trying to do the same thing and it's not attempted assault. Like, it's not, you got suspension, but dude, Louis Resto did time for that. I mean,

Panama Lewis did time for it. It was Shane Mosey that beat the fuck out of him, right? Beat the piss out of him. After they found out they wouldn't let him use the wraps, they put new wraps, and he got the shit kicked out of him. And it was almost like Shane was torturing him, like he was punishing him for that. And that was a great fight for Shane.

It was Shane's last great fight, too, by the way. Yeah, totally. He fucking pistol whipped him bad. Apparently Shane's a little punchy now. Yeah. People have talked to him and interviewing him now. They say that he had a few too many. Probably that Margarito fight should have been the last one.

Didn't help. But he fought Canelo after that. He fought Mayweather. Yeah. Mayweather, Canelo. But the Canelo one apparently was, that was a beating. That was a beating. Fucking tough, man.

Fuck, yeah. And better all the time. Yeah. That Floyd Mayweather fight was a good fight for fucking tough man fuck yeah and better all the time yeah getting that floyd mayweather fight was a good fight for him it was taught him a lot of shit you gotta you know when you're in with a guy like that that moves like floyd does until you see that you don't know what the fuck that is you're not going to get that in training who's who's going to be your sparring partner that's uh undefeated world champion one of the eight or ten best fighters that's ever walked to face the planet. The first time you see something,

you don't want it to be in a fight. Yeah. You want to have seen that before at some point in training. You know, I play chess. I really like... Yeah, that's Billy Collins after the fight. Wow.

With his eyes open. His eyes are open right now. That's so fucked. But that's as good as it would get. Oh, my God. That's so fucked. That's so fucked. But that's as good as it would get. Oh, my God. That's so fucked. That's so fucked. Jesus.

Never the same. Yeah, he went blind, right? He lost some of his vision. Lost some of his vision, and he was trying to sue. He tried to sue, basically, the commission for not catching the gloves. Because his dad, at the end of the fight, you see it. Louis Resto goes up and shakes hands with Billy Collins' dad, who's his trainer, and he feels the glove, and he goes,

Hey, hey, and he gets a commissioner, but he starts yelling, This glove's half the padding's out of it. He shook hands and felt the glove. Yeah. And he tried to sue the Athletic Commission for letting Louis Resto fight with the padding removed from the glove and not protecting his son. So it kept Billy Collins from fighting because they were suing. And so he was just sitting around and just getting worse and got depressed, and that was all she wrote.

Wow. That's fucking shame. Yeah, and Panama Lewis is the same fucking guy who gave Aaron Pryor that— Bottle I mix. Louis is the same fucking guy who gave Aaron Pryor that bottle he mixed, and he came out against Alexis Arguello just supercharged. Yep. Like, whatever it was, it was in that bottle. Louis Resto said that he used to give him, they were asthma pills, crushed up asthma

pills, so it would get your breathing back. Basically, amphetamines. Wow. Crushed up amphetamines that used to treat asthma. Isn't it interesting that both Aaron Pryor and- Any more trivia, just let me know. There you go. Trivia master.

But both Aaron Pryor and Louis Resto became drug addicts. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? And Alexis Arguello. Did he really? Big struggles with cocaine. Really? Big struggles.

Killed himself in Nicaragua. Wasn't he like a politician in Nicaragua? Yeah, there's some suspicion about his death. Wasn't like a gunshot wound to the chest? Yeah, which is pretty weird for suicide. Yeah. But that's the official story on Nicaragua is that he killed himself. Well, a lot of boxers, especially, they wind up with depression.

You know, from just a repeated trauma. And cocaine. Cocaine also. Coc also um no bueno uh who was it um arturo gatti i saw a thing about his supposed suicide oh that wasn't no fucking suicide that bitch killed but not once what but what i thought was interesting i saw a very even documentary about his alleged suicide slash murder whatever you think and not once did they go did they mention pugilistic dementia which causes depression and suicidal tendency they didn't once go maybe he got hit in the head one too many fucking times you know what i mean he didn't they never once brought it up i thought it deserved

mentioning that you know his brain had to be pudding at that point but didn't he have a big wasn't there like at some point in time wasn't there um during the the the incident whatever killed him yeah wasn't there a head trauma like a big he had gotten in a fight that night that's why they had argued he had gotten in a fight on the street in brazil and they interviewed a cab driver the cab driver who drove him from where he was from where the fight was to his apartment. And the guy said, there was blood on the back of my seat. They had beaten him up pretty good. He had hit the ground and he had gotten in a fight with all these Brazilians. He had been mouthing off at this club and his wife left him.

And that's why they were arguing that night. And so he had gotten in a fight with three dudes on the street. So the cab driver said, yeah, there was blood on my seat. Nobody beat him. And then we said, oh, she had people beat him up. He was beat up in the cab driver said yeah there was blood on my seat he had you know nobody beat him like and then we said oh that she had people beat him up and you know he was beat up in the cab when he was in the back of my my cab and then he was found on the ground and the only thing that makes zero sense to me zero of all the whole story i can see both sides of it the only thing that makes zero sense is the wife claimed to have seen him in the morning and thought he was asleep if you see the photos of arturo gatti

which i have on the ground he's dead in a pool of his own blood clearly like you couldn't walk past this and think he's okay well and her story is that she saw him and thought he was all right you know he always fucking he always that's what they said He always used to pass out and fall asleep drunk I'm like I don't know how you could walk past that and go Ah, he's fine You okay, honey? You okay? Alright, good, I'll make some coffee

And that's her story Hooked up with the wrong bitch It's a very interesting case It's a sad case It's a very sad case But, you know, when she got out of jail did you ever see the photos of her out of jail? She was smiling and laughing when they released her. She was so happy.

Yeah. Family was not pleased about that one. Although, if I got let out of a Brazilian jail for any reason, I'd be smiling and happy, too. That's a good point. I don't hold that so much against her. I'd be thrilled that I'm not indicted for murder in Brazil. I'd be thrilled. Isn't it kind of fucked up that he was a guy who was sort of his career was dwindling down.

He wasn't going to be the top of the food chain. Floyd Mayweather type fighter. But he found another guy that was on his level and it became one of the first trilogies, one of the first series of fights where everyone knew these guys weren't going to win a title. Yeah. So it was like one of the first fights where it was just an awesome fight because they matched up together well. You know, it wasn't an awesome fight, but Mickey Ward wasn't going to be a world champion. Arturo Gatti wasn't. He had a title at one point in time, but he wasn't going to be the best

in the world. Everyone knew. And that was the thing about boxers is we always wanted to see an undefeated fighter. And we always wanted to see a guy fight for the title. The thing about Rocky Marciano was always that Marciano died 49-0. He was the best. Marciano never lost.

Well, in boxing, that was the first duo. Those two guys going at it. The first matchup where we knew that they weren't going to get a world title, but we still wanted to see it. You know, what's different in combat sports that's unique in combat sports is different than in other, especially team sports, popularity and ability just don't go together.

The best guy isn't the most popular guy. And Arturo Gatti was that guy that I would pay to watch that guy fight no matter what, no matter when, even though there were much better guys out there. Watching Arturo Gatti fight was really something special. And when he got with Mickey Ward and they had that amazing trilogy, the problem is Gatti, I mean, did you see the Mayweather fight? That was like humiliating.

That was hard to watch. That's hard to watch. He had just too many after that. After the Mickey Ward trilogy. Yeah, it was also God, he had already taken a lot of punishment in his career. He just had no business being in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is way too sharp. In his prime.

I think Mayweather was better. He was so sharp then. Unbelievable. He's amazing now. I mean, I think Mayweather's better. I mean, he was so sharp then. Unbelievable. He's still sharp. He's amazing now. I don't even know why I'm saying this. He's amazing now, but even like a younger, even faster version of Mayweather, he just killed it.

So good. You know what's really incredible is fucking Hopkins winning a world title at 49. That's one of the weirdest examples in boxing of all time. We want to talk about a guy that just never faded off. No. Still wicked good. I mean, knock that Russian dude down in the 10th round at 49. But style-wise, he's the kind of guy, if you looked at all his fights,

the big knock on Hopkins is he never took a lot of risks. Yeah. But never took any damage. He's fighting at 50 because he never took those. And talks great. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, his brain isn't pudding. I was just amazed that his body's holding up. 50 because he never took those. And talks great. It's great. Yeah. Yeah.

His brain isn't putting. I was just amazed that his body's holding up. It doesn't look totally the same. Like, he doesn't look as muscular. He's a little more smooth. Looks a little more soft. But not much of a difference. I think that's part of the reason he's moving up in weight class a lot is, you know, speed

is the first thing to go. And I think he realizes, I can beat these cruisers. I can out-slick these cruisers. I don't know if he'd do that against Gennady Golovkin, guys at middleweight, super middleweight, Andre Ward. Those guys are fast. And I think he's smart. He's a really smart guy.

His boxing IQ is amazing. I think he realizes, I move up, I can out-slick these guys. That's a good point. Super middleweight. The last guy that he had real problems with was Jermaine Taylor. And Jermaine Taylor was way fast. 160. 160, lightning fast.

And then, you know, look at the performances that he's had at light heavyweight. And, you know, look at, what's his name, from Pittsburgh, the white kid. Kelly Pavlik, yeah. He's from Youngstown, Ohio. Youngstown. Kelly Pavlik was a slower guy. Yeah. And Kelly Pavlik didn't have that sort of athleticism.

Made him look like a fool. It was a beautiful performance. Made him look ridiculous for 12 rounds. And everybody was shocked that he was doing it at, what, like 43 back then? It was like, this is incredible. Six years later, you would think there's no way he's gonna win a world title six years from then but i think that's why he's moving up and staying in these weight classes where he doesn't worry about that kind of speed yeah that's a good point man that's the hardest thing to deal with at that age yeah that's a good point because he's

so good at being in the right place to make a guy move and you also you know how like you see a guy like like today we we saw like there was one point in time where cub swanson winds up and i'm seeing him getting ready to throw a kick it's because we've seen a guy getting ready to throw a kick we've seen the subtle changes and when a guy's getting ready to throw a kick and you could spot it bernard hopkins he's seen so many guys in front of him do things so many guys try to hit him with punches he knows what they're going to do punches he knows what they're going to do before they know what they're going to do so when he's stepping and forcing guys into

positions where he knows what they're going to do once they get into that position they don't even know what they're going to do he's like two and three steps ahead of him so because of that boxing knowledge that he has you get to see see this really pure sort of a pure execution of boxing from him. Dismantling. The executioner. Not anymore. Now he's the alien. I had to say that. Be through the softball. I gotta hit it.

He wears a rubber mask. He goes into the ring with a rubber He wears a rubber fucking alien mask. He calls himself the alien. This is officially the longest podcast we've ever done.

It's fucking five hours, Boris. Oh, shit. Seriously? It's midnight. It's after midnight. Wow. Yeah, so people listening, they've been trying

to get us to stop forever. It's over, folks. Go home. Go to sleep. We're having a sleepover. Follow Jimmy on Twitter. It's JimmySmithMMA. No way.

And follow Ian on Twitter, but it's not Ian. It is JimmySmithMMA. Know it. And follow Ian on Twitter, but it's not Ian. It is UncleCreepyMMA. And UncleCreepyMMA also on Instagram where you can see him wrestle with a 500-pound barrel. Yes. And you will see him July 19th taking on Brad Pickett and dominating in his flyweight bout. Yes. July 19th in Dublin. In Dublin.

Yeah, Dublin, Ireland. Great fucking place to do a fight. I know. It's going to be fun. I got to bring you a new shirt. I'll bring you both shirts. Fuck yeah. I'm in, dude.

I'm in. I'm in. I ripped off the fighting Irish shirt. Glorious. Yeah, it's glorious. All right. Well, thank you, guys. It was a lot of fun.

Thank you for the invite. Awesome, awesome fight. Cub Swanson and Jeremy Stevens was great. There's Bernard Hopkins coming out with his alien outfit. What? Do that. Oh, that's hilarious. All right, my friends.

We'll be back on Monday with Crash from the Float Lab. And until then, go fuck yourselves. All right? Big kiss. Mwah. Man. How is it? Big kiss. Mwah. Bam. How is it? I'm going to chop.