The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - October 21, 2016

Episode Date: October 22, 2016

Joe is joined by Yves Edwards & Joe Schilling to watch the fights on October 21, 2016.

3, 2, 1, BOOM! Eve Edwards, welcome to the show! Thanks for having me, man. Finally got you in here, man. We've talked about this a bunch of times, but this is the perfect time. Because we're doing a fight companion. This is the very first one we've ever done for Glory Kickboxing. Joe Schilling, World Championship Kickboxer himself, is on his way.

He's over here. He fucking hates Glory. They talk shit about him after he left. But I'm sure it'll be good. We're going to have a good time, man. So there's some good fights tonight. Nikki Holtzkin's fighting. Israel Adesanya is fighting. He's a bad motherfucker.

That should be interesting. And all this is live from Denver, Colorado, right now on UFC Fight Pass. If you don't have UFC Fight Pass, shame on you, because it's a great way to waste days, days of time. Man, you can just sit down and watch whatever you want from anywhere in the world. It's Netflix for fights is what it is. It's just like they have everything from way back in the Pride days, all the old Fedor fights,

the Vanderlei fights back in the early 2000s, all that shit. Yeah, it's fun to go back and watch some of those old ones too, especially the Pride tournaments. Yeah, man, the golden days. So the first fight of the night here is Justin Houghton versus Jonathan Widerko.

And they're reading the Glory Rules. Did you do much kickboxing at all? I had four amateur kickboxing fights, three amateur boxing matches, and two pro. Was it American rules or Muay Thai? Two Muay Thai, two American rules. So it was fun. I mean, it was amateur, so we were in headgear. We didn't throw elbows, but it was good. I was undefeated. That's good, then. I mean, it was amateur, so we were in headgear. We didn't throw elbows, but it was good.

I was undefeated, so. That's good, then. I like that, right? Yeah. It's interesting because I'm a huge fan of kickboxing, and I'm just kind of surprised that kickboxing hasn't taken off in America the way MMA has, but I just don't think it's been promoted the right way. Dana White had a real good point, and he said that the reason why is because people, when

you think of kickboxing, they think of PKA karate from ESPN at 2 o'clock in the morning from the 1980s. Yeah, where you have to throw those five kicks above the waist. And it was like shitty, sloppy boxing, and they would barely throw those five kicks above the waist. And it was like shitty sloppy boxing. And they would barely throw those kicks. And then the pants they were wearing. All of that was just crap. It looked silly, man.

They were fighting in pajamas. With the boots. Those big boots that they would wear on their feet. It is kind of interesting, the boots. Because I brought this up many times when it comes to MMA. Like, why do your elbows have nothing on them? Why do your shins and knees have nothing on them, but your knuckles do? Which is like the easiest thing to break. The hardest thing to hit somebody hard with is a fist.

Yeah, but you use those more, right? And then because of the cuts, I think, mostly for cuts. Bone on bone and that skin getting pinched in between there. For sure. Everybody's getting cut up. That's true, but isn't that the case with elbows? Yeah, but, I mean, it's harder to land an elbow, unless your name is Tim Means. Right.

It's harder to land an elbow than it is to land punches. There's a few guys that are real elbow specialists. Jordan Means, another one. Remember when he fought Cyborg, the other Cyborg, not the female, the male Cyborg in Strikeforce? Holy shit, that elbow combination, man. That's one thing I don't like about Glory. I really wish they would go full Muay Thai.

And when Joe Schilling gets here, you know, Joe's obviously, he's done both, and he started out in Muay Thai. He's a big muay thai fan and they're having uh lion fight is on tonight at the same time so that's on access tv right now while this is going on right now on um on ufc fight pass i have never been i mean outside of an mma fight i've never been hit with a with an elbow in a muay thai fight i feel like that would throw me off like it's for some reason i feel it's different than mma like in mma i've never been hit i don't remember being hit with an elbow on my feet

but on the mat you know um but in kickboxing i mean that's where you're at and i don't know it's kind of scary i've hit people with elbows on my feet and it seems you it would it would be shitty to be on the receiving end of one of those man it kind of sucks I guess but it's very effective and I always feel like anytime you're eliminating effective aspects of striking I'll give you take Muay Thai and you eliminate two effective aspects of it elbows and the clinch I mean mean, those are two huge factors in fights, especially the clinch. I mean, you take a guy like San Chai who can dump people from anywhere. He just flips dudes. You know, he's so good at the clinch and so good at throwing elbows and knees to the body from the clinch.

Yeah, the only thing I really don't like about Glory is they feel like they do break you from the clinch real quick. You don't even have time to work any knees in there. Yeah. I just feel like you should be able, A, to defend yourself if you get hurt, and B, you should be able to work knees to the body and elbows in the clinch. It's just a massive part of Muay Thai, and they've just sort of eliminated it to make it more exciting and it all came from K1. K1 was like a big step up from PKA karate it was a big step up from kickboxing but they developed some rules that they thought would favor action and make things go quicker.

Yeah I remember the first K1 that was I think it was like what 92 93 maybe 94 here um where they advertised it as 80 knockouts you remember that 80 knockouts they had five fights in the card four four ended by knockout that's so crazy 80 knockouts is so fucking crazy but i wouldn't be surprised i think um i know kemo fought on that. Oh, wow, that's right. Masa Satake. Wow, wow. Oh, that is so old school. I think Goodridge may have fought on that too.

I don't remember for sure, but. It's just, striking becomes a completely different animal when there's no threat of the takedown. Yeah. It just does. And it also becomes a completely different animal when there's no, the Muay Thai aspect is removed. No threat of the clinch and no threat of the elbows.

Yeah, that changes the range a lot. You see, what is his name? Houghton just did a spin. You don't see a whole lot of spinning in MMA. You get guys like Wonderboy and those guys that can do it, and they do it well. But you don't see that as much. If you watch a UFC card, you don't see as many spins as you do in in glory yeah I think really the only way to to get well not the only way but it's it's so hard for guys who develop an overall MMA game to ever be like

really effective with those kind of traditional martial arts techniques because I feel like some of those taekwondo techniques and kyokushin techniques you have to start out with that stuff and not worry about getting punched in the face in order to develop them like that's a big aspect of kyokushin a big aspect of taekwondo is that people aren't punching you in the face yeah not getting yeah because you're not you don't have that threat yeah so you develop those crazy kicks and the leg dexterity. And then I feel like that's a great stepping stone if you can go from that and then learn how to wrestle and learn jujitsu and learn how to box and kickboxing. Then you'll always have those techniques. But it's so rare that you take a guy who is like a real, from the beginning, mixed martial arts fighter and then develop that kind of ability. Yeah. I mean, they're focused on every aspect of martial arts.

There's almost too much to learn. Yeah. You have to be a highlander to get it all down. Yeah, it's so rare that anybody has a full game that starts out from the beginning. But, you know, I think we're seeing these guys today, which is kind of an interesting time. They're real specialists like Wonderboy and on the other end like Damian Maia. You know, seeing real specialists. You don't see that as much anymore.

I mean, guys were individual specialists back in the day, but now you get a guy like Wonderboy. You get a guy like Stephen Thompson. I mean, Tyron Woodley, great wrestler. He started mixing the rest into his game. But then you get these guys like Dustin Poirier and Masad Bektik that came up doing MMA. And they're really good at different aspects of it. Real strong in, say, the wrestling and jiu-jitsu. Good kickboxing.

But you put them in a ring with a Joe Schilling. Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen, as if on cue. What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. What's happening? Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen, as if on cue. What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. What's happening? Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen. We were just talking about the difference between a real specialist, like a high-level specialist like a Stephen Thompson in MMA versus a guy like a Dustin Poirier, who's a very good striker, but Wonderboy is something special.

You know, that level is, that's like, you know, he was something ridiculous, like 37-0 as a kickboxer, and his UFC career, he's only lost to Matt Brown in a fight where he said he over-trained for that fight, and, you know, Matt Brown's obviously a savage. And early in his UFC career, too. Yeah, yeah. So this is the first fight, Joe Schilling.

And I know you're a huge fan of Glory, the organization, the way they treat the fighters once they leave. Absolutely. We already discussed that. No, it's good. It's good for the sport. It's good. You know, what Glory's done for kickboxing, this is awesome. This is great.

It is good for the sport. I love the sport. And I think everyone here, we wanted to to do better it's just it doesn't get nearly the uh amount of attention or respect that it deserves yeah it's crazy it should definitely i mean kickboxing is is a very exciting sport when you sit down you watch these guys and you see some of the knockouts of these guys pull off i was watching um tyrone spung and and and solo Calavari. Oh, right, yeah.

Right? And the way he cracked him with that overhand. I love seeing guys get hurt but survive, get through that round. Because you get a guy like Tyrone Spong who's a killer and he's coming after you. He's trying to finish, but you have to be smart. When he dropped Tyrone in New York, that was Michael Dunn, I think. And Tyrone got up and they knocked him out Tall white guy over him Yeah, that was crazy

That was Because that whole exchange was 30 seconds Yeah He dropped Tyrone And then Tyrone got back up and knocked him out Yeah, he just flashed him with a one-two down the pipe Nobody expected that Spong's in a weird place, right?

Yeah, I don't know. He's kind of halfway kickboxing, halfway boxing. He's boxing now. I saw he had a boxing fight recently. He's had a few. When he broke his leg when he fought Gokhan Saki, that was another one of those Anderson Silva-style leg breaks. Those nasty Czech leg breaks.

Did you see that one? Yeah, I saw that. Disgusting. How many times have you seen that, awful. Yeah, I saw that. It was disgusting. How many times have you seen that, Joe, in the flesh? In the flesh? Never. Never? I hope I never see it in the flesh. I've seen it twice.

Really? Corey Hill. Oh, Corey Hill. And then I saw that. I was there for that, too. What I hate about that is your body is still reacting. You're throwing that kick and you're putting that foot down. You don't feel it until you put that foot down.

Then you see it goes rubber on you. That Achilles touches the side of your knee. That's got to be so hard to get over that to the point where you're capable of throwing kicks too. To be fully convinced. It's real tough.

Real tough to come back from. A leg break Be fully convinced. I don't know. Yeah. It's real tough. Real tough to come back from. Yeah. Yeah, and well, a leg break in and of itself is so dangerous because, first of all, when it's a compound fracture, it's insanely dangerous because there's massive risks of infection. But when it's a leg break, there's also an issue with circulation. Like, Frank Mir, when he broke his leg when he got in that car accident he wasn't good for a year a year plus his leg was fucked up for like a year later and his knee was fucked up from you know having his leg bolted together it kind of fucked up his knee

what what bothers me most about that is how much pain those dudes are in instantly. I mean, when you're in a fight and you get cut, you get hit, you get, like you feel it, but you can deal with it. Like that. Yeah. They just look like they're in agony right away. That adrenaline is not enough to stop that pain. No, nobody just sucks it up when their leg snaps in half.

No, man. That Anderson, when Anderson fought Weidman and he's just screaming you know you never see that from Anderson ever there was one I had a fight once and you you'd said something about um how I'm good at throwing that inside leg kick and I was like yeah when I watched it later I was like yeah because I don't want to get my shit broken I try to hide that as best as I can being a southpaw man yeah that's the scariest thing. Right. Inside leg kick to that shin on the opposite side fighter. Yeah.

Yeah, that southpaw is usually when it happens. Yeah. And Tyrone was just like full power and then Saki's knee like, ugh. Yeah, full power. And that's Tyrone's style too. He's just such an explosive guy. Like what Boss said about it made a lot of sense to me where he described it as like a like a ruler like a pencil ruler and when you hit

you know the southpaw you end up kind of boss explains a lot better than me with the uh the ruler hits the flat side or the shin hits like the flat side which is why it has the ability to break so easy versus going straight at it. That totally makes sense. And then there's, of course, the knee and the upper area of the knee, which is just like kicking a boulder. It's like the top of the knee especially, it's so hard. Yeah, and the top of the shin too.

Your shin is sharper toward the bottom, but it gets much thicker, much denser. So when you throw a solid leg kick and you land on the upper shin is when you really get that thunk. I remember there was a lion fight. I don't remember who Malapet fought. But the dude checked his leg kick and it hurt him. He could tell it hurt him. So Malapet started swinging at his shins, and he just kept throwing those leg kicks at his shins. It was just nasty it was that i don't remember who it was i remember it i think i saw that yeah it was when it was was that when cyborg fought on that card uh i don't know might have been it might have been

might have been i trained with malapet man that guy you know what malapet means no diamond and and that guy's shins are like diamond hard. We were drilling one day and we're going back and forth and I throw a kick and he checks me. He throws a kick and I check him. He's not kicking me hard. I mean, he's literally kicking like that hard. And I checked it and I didn't like how it felt. So I saw him throwing a kick again and I seriously thought, don't even block that.

Because he's not kicking you hard, so it's not going to hurt. But if you check it, it will. But that guy, he's little, he's tiny, but he hits so hard. Can't clinch with him. Beats me up in the clinch. I got like 20, 30 pounds on him. He's beating me up in the clinch. There's so much experience that guy has.

And they call it old bones. Yeah, they start when they're babies. Old bones. That's an interesting way of putting it. That's how the Thais refer to it. Well, that's the same with grappling, too. You ever wrestle with a guy like Randy Couture? You clinch up with a guy like that, and there's just something about them.

When they've been throwing people around their whole life, they got this weird feel to them. It just doesn't feel right. Yeah. Yeah, I trained with Tyron when he had a broken arm at the time. So he's in a cast. He's not even using it. I can't do anything. He's lifting me with one hand.

He's putting me on the fence. We're straight wrestling, but it's like he's wrestling with a child. And he had a cast on? He had a cast on. That's hilarious. Then he wrestled with another guy that wrestled at Missouri also and took him down. And this is a college-level wrestler. Well, Woodley is so unusual in that he has unbelievable knockout power,

but he didn't start out as a striker. He's just that snap and explosion that he's got. His ability to close the distance with one punch, too. I really noticed it. I mean, I've noticed it in many fights, but the one time when he fought Carlos Condit, I remember he closed the distance and landed a right hand. You know how your brain sees people doing stuff and things seem normal? But the one time when he fought Carlos Condit, I remember he closed the distance and landed a right hand.

You know how your brain sees people doing stuff and things seem normal? Like, oh, that's a good punch or that's a good kick. But it seems normal. But every now and then someone will do something. You go, whoa, what the fuck? We just missed a couple frames there? Like it was like something was cut out of the frame. He's so fast.

And for a guy that's that big to be able to close the distance so fast and punch you, he like, you could tell like Condit was like, oh, okay. Okay. And this motherfucker could punch me from over there. Like this is a whole different kind of thing. I think that's how a lot of people feel when they're fighting Wonderboy now. Oh, yeah. You're talking earlier about his, you know, what a high level striker he is. he's a high-level striker at a style that you don't see very often.

Yeah. If you go in an MMA gym anywhere across this country, you're going to see fundamentals of Muay Thai and boxing and whatnot. You know what I mean? But you very rarely are going to see guys throwing crescent kicks and all this fucking karate, point karate shit. Him and Raymond Daniels have the same, similar style. When you're in there, you're like, what the fuck is going on on and then you end up standing in front of him which is what they want

well he's got way better hands than raymond though the thing that makes him like raymond's getting better with his hands but raymond has issues when guys close the distance and smother him like what nikki holtzkin did like with joseph valtellini did to him but wonderboy doesn't have any problem with that wonderboy's hands are nasty and he also has this weird thing he does where he pivots from his hip back and forth like a fucking snake like he's so good at like moving back and forth from his hips and that's like a lot of that point karate stuff yeah yeah i don't i'm excited about that fight in particular because of those two dynamics yeah because the tyrant speed and And Wonderboy's got good range, too. But Tyron can close that gap.

And then Wonderboy's creativity with what he does. Like, he throws everything at you. Tyron's got that one-punch power, though. That one-punch thing is just so disturbing. Because he could just... The last fight, his fight with Lawler, I was like, what the fuck? Boom! Out of nowhere.

Out of nowhere. Yeah, and he can do that at any point in time. To anybody. Yeah, to anybody. And there's no one that can take that shot. You just, you can't get hit by it. You can't get hit like that. Whereas Wonderboy is much more of an accumulation type damage doer.

But, you know, Wonderboy's been hit before. You know, like, you gotta think, Jake Ellenberger hit him and hurt him. And, you know, Jake's got real power too, of course. He hit him and hurt him. So it's really a matter of whether or not he can stay the fuck away for as long as it takes to slow Tyron down. And then get the weird game that he has, particularly with his front leg. He can do shit with his front leg that you just do not expect.

Front leg side kicks, front leg roundhouse kicks. He sneaks them over the shoulder and drops them down on you. Throwing that lead leg hook kick. Yeah. That's that shit I mean. Like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. Rory?

Johnny Hendricks. Yeah. fuck is going on yeah um uh rory uh johnny hendrix he's like yeah you know like what you know and then now you're a target for that guy who's just doing his shit you know yeah scary well that's sideways stance too he stands like completely karate style sideways with his hands down and it's just a different thing it's a totally different style of movement and that was the one style of martial art that I've been waiting for for a while. And you've seen it now with Michael Page and Bellator, too. This style of the point karate

guy, those sport guys who can close the distance so fast and get the fuck out of the way so fast. They're just a completely different thing. And they're real good at countering, too. Like, Michael Page is a master at countering. Yeah, I'm not hating on Michael Page. I just hate that Genki Sudo style.

I just hate the dancing style. I don't know why. Why do you hate it? Probably because I feel like I'm a classic, like, old school, hard, just put your nose to the ground and do it the right way. Right. But I understand that's his style, but for some reason it just bothers the hell out of me. Well, don't you think that's also a big part of why it's so effective? Yeah.

Because it bothers the fuck out of his opponents, too. It's like you do not want to get knocked out by a dude who's going to dance afterwards. Or dance during. Yeah. Or dance right before he KOs you. You know, fuck. It's embarrassing. Richard Abraham's up next.

Mike Matheta. We haven't talked about a fight yet. I like Abraham, man. Yeah? I like how he fights. He's pretty aggressive. He likes to throw big bombs. I call what he does hood muay thai.

Hood muay thai. That's funny. Thug jitsu and hood muay thai. How did you come up with Thug Jitsu? Man, Houston was a big jujitsu town, and somebody was using it as like trying to denigrate me. They were like, if you want to train some good jujitsu, you come over here and you train with this guy and this guy. But if you want to go learn some of that Thug Jitsu, you go train with Eve and Saul and those guys. Because we were throwing kicks and punches, knees and right they didn't like that they just wanted to do submissions and do positioning and that was it nobody wanted to get hit in houston

back in the 90s oh that's interesting jokes on you damn you fucking ran with that shit i saw you fight for the first time in hook and shoot dude against, against Aaron Riley. What year was that? That was the 90s, right? No. The first time was the 90s. I think the second time was 2001. No, 2000. Old school, man.

That is as old school as you get, right? Makes me feel old. Those were great fights, though, man. Those were great fights. Those were great fights though, man. Those were great fights. It's weird because I liked beating up Aaron Riley. Aaron was tough.

You know what I mean? He was tough, but he wouldn't stop. He wouldn't quit. But the second time we fought, there was one point where I landed a knee to the face and then just saw blood immediately after. I seriously felt like felt like i need a burlap sack of light bulbs that's what i felt like when i hit him it was disgusting oh man a burlap sack of light bulbs i i remember thinking during the fight when that happened i was like that felt like light bulbs oh God. What do you think it felt like when Michael Page landed that knee on Cyborg?

Oh, my God. When his forehead caved in? And Cyborg's so crazy, he's like, I'll be fighting again in three months. Like, what? I hope not. Yeah, I hope not. The way he went down, too, that was another one of those times when you see a guy in agony in the cage. That's, no, man, I don't know if I'm fighting after that. You can get hit in the head

a lot. That bugs the shit out of me the most about eye pokes. When someone gets jabbed in the eye and you see them scream out and cover their eyes and turn their back, they don't even try to defend themselves sometimes. The Anthony Johnson one was one of the worst. Oh yeah, with Kevin Burns? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've seen

a gang of them now, man. And I just don't know why they don't go to the pride gloves. I mean, it just seems at this point in time like a no-brainer. It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever they continue to have these gloves that not only is it hard to keep your hand curled, but it's trying to open your hands. Like the UFC gloves are trying to open your hands. Like to keep your hands closed, you have to force them down. Whereas the pride gloves, it was hard to open them. The pride gloves are keeping your open your hands. Like to keep your hands closed, you have to force them down. Whereas the pride gloves,

it was hard to open them. The pride gloves are keeping your hands like that. So as you're throwing punches, you know, I just think also too guys, they have to get away from doing this open palm thing to the face to push guys off. And I think when guys do that, they should be penalized

at point. But how do you stop them from doing that? That's such an instinct. It is an instinct, but I think some guys do that, they should be penalized a point. But how do you stop them from doing that? That's such an instinct. It is an instinct, but I think some guys don't do it ever. There's a lot of fighters who are never guilty of eye pokes. So why is that? I mean, it's not like it's impossible to avoid. I think they just have to make it so that if you poke somebody in the eye, it's an instantaneous one-point deduction.

And people say, well, that's too harsh. They didn't mean to do it. Maybe they didn't mean to do it, but it still was done. So the opponent still suffered damage. When you poke somebody in the eye, how many times have you seen a Matt Mitrione-Travis Brown fight where a guy gets poked in the eye and all of a sudden the whole fight

changes. And then one guy's in trouble and he's not in trouble from a legal technique. He's in trouble from getting poked and then the dynamic of the fight changes. He can't see so good and then he winds up getting fucked up. See, they should just stop, walk the other guy over, get a good look, and then poke him. He's like, all right, now we both get five minutes. We'll see how this goes.

That would be crazy. Imagine if guys were allowed to poke you. That would be so good. Like, if you poke somebody in the eye, they're allowed to come over, and they get a free poke. Love it. Oh. Wasn't that one of the first rules that was like it was just like no no it was just no eye gouging that was like it no fish hooking or something no fish hooking no

eye no eye gouging you were allowed to grab hair you were allowed to punch nuts Keith Hackney but some guys just have done it so many times Joe San yeah man how crazy that Joe San story that's one of the craziest stories in all of MMA. Joe Son, who seemed like this lovable guy who was really into Jesus and seemed kind of crazy, he used to come to the comedy store and hang out. I hung out with Joe Son a bunch of times because he was friends with Bobby Lee. So he'd come down to the comedy store. He was jacked.

He was three feet tall and two feet wide. He was jacked, you know, and he was just real weird. He felt like almost dangerous around him. Like, he just seemed so odd. And then he got arrested for something, and they do some random DNA test on him and find out he was a part of a gang rape. And now he's in jail for life. He's in jail, and while he's in jail, he killed his cellie.

I didn't know that. Yeah, he killed his cellmate. I didn't know that yeah he killed his cell mate i'm pretty sure see if that's the case joe san kills cell mate i'm pretty sure he did but yeah he's in jail for life now that's a wrap but it just what the fuck man out of nowhere i forget what they arrested him for too but it was it was wasn't anything like that I forget what they arrested him for, too, but it wasn't anything like that. Yeah. Possible murderer.

He's a crazy dude, man. For sure a rapist, but possible murderer. For sure a rapist. Remember when he walked into the cage with a fucking cross strapped to his back? Him and Kimo. Both those guys. Fucking weirdos. They were so ate up with Jesus, they had to walk to the cage with a cross strapped to their back.

Even Jesus himself would be like, guys, guys, guys. That was a long time ago. We don't need to do this anymore. Because his cellmate was a convicted child molester. And did he kill him? Because of that? He was standing over the body of him. He was found standing at the door of a cell.

The body of a cellmate, 50-year-old, convicted child molester, Michael Graham, was lying unresponsive in the bottom bunk. He's pronounced dead. Hmm. Well, I give him a pass on that. Give him a pass on child molester. He said he killed Graham with a combination of kicks and punches. Son pleaded not guilty.

Oh. When you said son, I thought that, because you say that a lot. Oh, son? Kill him with a combination of kicks and punches, son. Alright, here we go. This should be a pretty good one. I thought that was from wearing the Y crew on his head one time I saw him fight, but I guess that's a real

mark on his head one time I saw him fight, but I guess that's a real mark on his head. Oh, okay. You guys ever fought in Denver, Eve? Yeah. High altitude? I fought. Nate and I fought in Denver. I fought Nate.

Nate was 163 pounds. Jesus. I was like 162. Nate used to be 163. That's crazy. He was like 19, though. Jesus. I was like 162. Nate used to be 163. That's crazy. He was like 19, though. Wow. He's back to 185 now, right?

Yeah. He just had a win. He just won by knockout. Yeah. Amazing. He knocked out Tamden McCrory with a head kick. That dude has been around a long fucking time. Nate and I fought in 99.

Wow. That's amazing. Nate and I fought in 99. Wow. That's amazing. Nate Marquardt. You know, Brendan Schaub said he's never seen Nate lose a single round in the gym.

And he, one of the things he said about Nate is that Nate is probably one of those guys that left too much in the gym. Just had way too many gym wars with Shane Carwin.

He used to spar with Shane fucking Carwin, which is like, what? I didn't realize how big he was so i saw that ellis mania thing oh he's so big holy shit he's so big well he knocks him out like this like clubbing dirt like well he had one on tied to his body which is even more insane they duct tape an arm to his body. And there's two people they had to make gloves for in the UFC. It was him and Brock, right? Yeah. His hands are bigger than Brock's.

That's ridiculous. He is huge. I remember I was at... Where the fuck was I? Oh, I was... I was at Amal Easton's jiu-jitsu school in in Boulder and I was on the mat and we were training, we were doing drills. And out of the corner of my eye, I see what looks like the thing from the comic book movie, the fantastic four. It looks like the thing, like if the thing was a real

person walking in and I look up, what the fuck is that? And it's Carwin in between fights, you know, he would get to like 300 plus pounds and uh you know because he was he was a giant i mean he was giant and i saw him walking i just remember going what in the fuck like what do you what did i can't see i can't imagine what nate does with that guy well i mean i just realized what yeah the thing the thing that was made out of rocks yeah i mean that was the size of him. He was so fucking big. Like, Carwin has that weird power, too, where he can knock dudes out with, like, six-inch punches.

Right. Like, he knocked out Gonzaga. Gonzaga had him hurt. And then as he's wobbling backwards, he uncorks a six-inch punch that puts Gonzaga in the dark lands. Stuff like that is so weird because think about the fight with him and Brock in Canada, in Vancouver, and he beat the snot out of Brock for the first round. He just didn't conserve himself enough. And he gassed, right?

Yeah. I don't remember it. Gassed hard, trying to put him away. First round. And Brock isn't a guy that can take a lot of, like, a punishment like that. You don't think Brock's that guy, but he survived it. Yeah. He turned it back on.

Well, somehow or another. Somehow or another, he survived it. But I feel like, to this day, that if Carwin just stayed calm and just kept that fight standing and striking, Brock was fucked. Because he was a commensurate wrestler. I mean, he might not have been as good a wrestler in wrestling as Brock is, but in MMA, he's right the fuck up there. Good luck taking him down, especially when you've got to get close enough for him to tag you. I feel like to this day that if he just stayed calm and just boxed the fuck

out of Brock, he would be the UFC heavyweight champion. Oh, for sure. But he just tried to just end it real quick, which makes sense. Because when you see Brock run away from some of the shots that he ran away from before that, and Shane hits like he hits. Yeah, exactly. You think he can just close his show. And then he's big, right?

I mean, he's way bigger than Mark Hunt. Yeah. Mark Hunt fought him as kind of the same scenario, but he didn't have the wrestling to stop the takedown. Yeah, Mark Hunt fought him It was kind of the same scenario But he didn't have the wrestling Yeah Mark Hunt To stop the takedown Was nowhere near Was nowhere near the size

Yeah Brock's so fucking big He's big in a way that even Shane is big in a different way Just It's bizarre Brock's even wider than Shane Yeah

I mean when you When you cut to make 265 Yeah Jesus Yeah Man What is that? I don't know Yeah I mean, when you cut to make 265. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. Man. What is that?

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, they're still trying to figure out what Brock was, you know, like, they're trying to mount some sort of a defense. They're coming up with, like, skin cream now. They're saying skin cream made him piss hot. Guys are so hilarious. Yeah, they got Clomid in their my fucking skin cream i don't know what happened well what's funny is there actually was some sort of uh hormone peptide in um the uh the skin cream for psoriasis that chad mendez used chad mendez had some pretty serious psoriasis

and there's all these photos of him you could can see him online where he's wearing shorts and shit. And it's just all over his legs. It's real bad. And you have to take, a lot of times you're taking what is essentially a steroid cream to try to heal the area. And that is what made him test positive. And they found the cream. They tested the cream. And I'm like, yep, sure enough.

But so it's a medication. So he has a legitimate, I mean, he has a real ailment you see he still has the service suspension you got the suspension anyway yeah i believe so yeah i believe so well you saw it as no fucking joke man which is really funny watching all these guys go over to bellator i think it's gonna be uh it's gonna be interesting it's gonna be interesting to see what bellator does with like vanderlei and all these other guys that are going over there now. Chael's first fight back with Bellator. I started laughing as soon as I saw it.

Yeah, of course. Well, Chael said that they're testing him like crazy. Right. But I mean they might fucking send him a text message. Hey yo, we're testing you like crazy in three days. Wink, wink. It's not USADA. It's the Athletic Commission, right?

It's not even USADA. No. No one's the Athletic Commission, right? It's not even, it's not USADA. No. No one's doing it the way the UFC's doing it. And the way UFC's doing it, I mean, in a lot of ways, it's dangerous to their brand. You know, I mean, in a lot of ways, it's, a lot of people would say it's not a good idea financially. But it just shows their commitment to trying to clean it up. I think California's doing randoms, too, now. Just as the Athletic Commission. The commissioner came here from Georgia, and he randoms too now. Just as the athletic commission.

The commissioner came here from Georgia and he's cracking down. That's awesome. I just think the problem with the USADA thing is that if your boss, the people that pay USADA to test is the UFC. I think it's a conflict of interest at some level. It should be a state sanction or somebody away from both parties you know because who who makes the choice on who gets tested yeah because signing when you fail a drug test in california for example the california athletic commission is going to contact bellator and say you're fighting this guy's not fighting he failed a drug test when you fail a test for usada they're going to call the uf and be like, hey, so this guy failed the drug test.

What do you want to do about it? And that's not – that becomes a problem. Yeah, this guy's test shows he has cocaine in his system, and then he fights for a long time. Let's just lose those results until after this main event. Yeah, but that's different because it's out of competition. There's certain rules – oh, what happened to him? I think he got hit in the nuts.

I thought he was knee buckled. I thought he got hit with a push kick to the leg. But I think there's out-of-competition testing and then there's in-competition testing. And when you get tested for something in competition, it's very different than out-of-competition when it comes to recreational drugs. drugs. But when it comes to performance enhancing drugs, even if it's out of competition, like say if you're five weeks out, you test positive for cocaine, that's not going to affect your performance in the ring in a way

that's going to damage your opponent. But if you test positive for some sort of a steroid, then it will. Makes sense. It kind of makes sense. It makes sense until you talk to Nick Diaz. Well, that was just the most ridiculous shit. Was that USADA? No, that was the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Not only that, USADA and Novitsky were... Novitsky's 100% against it. He thinks it was ridiculous. Well, that same fight, the Knick failed for that, and the Athletic Commission suspended Knick for five years. Anderson failed a drug test for steroids, and they had lost his results until after the fight. Look at this knee buckle.

Watch this shit. That's what I'm talking about. Did you see this? Did you see that? How his knee just buckled there? That was awful. Yeah, it was horrible. I mean, Anderson was doing, well, I don't know if he was doing, but he had steroids

in his system, right? For whatever reason. He said it's from Chinese Cialis, which is hilarious. I would like to see if someone should publish a list of all the excuses fighters have made for pissing hot. That would be really good. Make a t-shirt. Yeah, right? Like a tour?

Like a world tour t-shirt? Have the back, all the different excuses? Tim Sylvia failed for like Winstroll or something. And he said he was doing it just to get to where his body would look better because he was getting so much shit about looking fat. Yeah. Well, the Tim Sylvia that knocked out Rico Rodriguez was a monster. Yeah. You go back to that Tim Sylvia, that Tim Sylvia was one of the scariest heavyweights ever.

I think that was when he got popped. I think that was when he got popped. Was it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I remember that fight because I remember he had a hard time making 265. He had to cut weight to make 265, and he wasn't fat at all back then. I mean, he wasn't shredded, but for Tim Sylvia, I mean, he was real lean.

Watching Tim Sylvia walk around, he doesn't look like an athlete. He doesn't look like he would have ever been a heavyweight champion in the UFC. But, man, he hits hard. Oh, fuck yeah. Well, dude, I talked to Kelly Starr about that, who's, you know, a real famous strength and conditioning coach and knows a lot about physiology. And he thinks that, oh, shit. He thinks that Tim Sylvia, that pigeon toed thing that he did, he thinks that's correctable. He's like, you just got to retrain your body how to walk and stand.

And for some reason, he never did that. But Starr really believes that. Like the mechanics of your body, like you've kind of been cut into a groove where your body's gotten accustomed to walking and standing in that way. But if you adjusted that and trained that, he would be a way better athlete. And he would move like, you know, like a Travis Brown or something like that. It be a way better athlete and he would move like you know like a travis brown or something like that was a big tall guy who moves great yeah but i mean as a grown man you think he can retrain i understand you can do it but if you wanted to

takes a lot of effort i mean i i listen to kelly i think kelly knows the fuck he's talking about yeah i don't know if he's right but i mean i would imagine there's something short of him having some like scar tissue or whatever that forces him to walk that way, I think he could change it. But I don't think it's likely that a grown man who's already been successful is going to be like, you know, I wish I could walk a little less goofy. Let me fix this here. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what makes you walk pigeon-toed.

Jamie, pull that up. Tim Sylvia goes and fixes his walk, and next year we see him in the NFL. Yeah. Wow, I don't know about all that. The last thing, I think that dude needs to get hit more. Get hit more, yeah. Yeah, that Ray Mercer fight. That was the end of all that.

That was a nice... Snuck that kick in there. Didn't land it. Oh, we should probably say we're watching round three. It's 27, 26, 25, 25 24 22 seconds to go does it explain in what causes it what causes pigeon toe pigeon toe is caused by one of three conditioned metaceros metarsus meta metatarsus metatarsus adductus tibial torsion, or femoral anteversion. Each condition is specific to its location.

Here's a brief description of each. The foot. Pigeon toes occur when the foot tends to resemble a kidney. Or when a metatarsus adductus has an inward curve at the outer edge of the foot. If your child has this condition, you'll probably notice it while your child is still a baby. Sometimes the doctor will try braces or special shoes while the child is still a baby, six to nine months old, to help you manipulate the bones into growing straight. The condition will not clear up on its own.

the bones into growing straight. The condition will not clear up on its own. Metatarsus seductus requires treatment, the nature of which varies depending upon whether the condition is flexible or fixed. Most flexible cases respond to conservative treatment, which indicates passive stretching, bracing, and specialized shoes. The fixed type requires serial plaster casting. If conservative treatment does not help, then reevaluation is in order to make sure the patient does not have true clubfoot instead of metatarsus adductus. Huh.

Interesting. I just, right now, I'm just, I like looking behind the veil, man. There are times when I'm listening to your podcast and you go into one of those, and I'm like, what is he doing? Where is that coming from? Oh, now you know?

Now I know. I see how it works. It's called the internet. It's like magic. Yeah, but. Google. Are you Googling? Because you're asking someone else to do it.

So I'm like, how are you asking someone else to do it? And then you're reading it. Oh, there you go. I get it now. Now we get it. I'm not going to give away the secret. I just get it. Powerful Dwayne Ludwig with Whitney Miller.

Hey, Whitney Miller. You know that? I love Dwayne, man. He's a good dude. He's a wizard. That guy is a striking wizard. He broke my orbital. Did he?

Yeah. That's not very nice. So. What did he hit you with? The punch? I was in his guard. I'm on top. I'm in his guard.

And he throws a punch. He throws it this way. So he turns his knuckles punch. I was in his guard. I'm on top. I'm in his guard. And he throws a punch. He throws it this way. So he turns his knuckles over. Like casting style? Yes. And all the knuckle hit me right in the eyeball. I'm on top of him and I'm like throwing shots. And then he throws that punch and it hits me.

And I put my head down on his belly and hold on his biceps. I'm like, fuck, that hurt. That really hurt. That was one of those moments in a fight where it was like, that hurt. That really hurt, yeah. And I couldn't see straight for the rest of the night. That was the first round. From the bottom, he hit you with that.

He was in his guard, closed guard. He threw up that punch, hit me right in the eyeball. See, that's that bud jitsu shit. That's crazy. Doctor said two things happen. Either the eyeball ruptures or you fracture your orbital to relieve the pressure. So I got lucky.

My brother-in-law, Aaron, he was, I think he's like mid-30s. He has a, maybe late 30s. Oh, that's fucked. You see that? That knee? Yeah. I fucking hate that. Nasty.

Why would you even do that? I hate that. Anyway, he's a pitcher, like a pickup league, like just for fun. He's been playing baseball for a long time. And he throws a pitch and it gets hit line drive right back at him on a fucking Sunday afternoon. Hits him square in the eye, like ruptures his eye, lost his eyes, had like 10 surgeries. Lost his eyeball? Lost his eyeball.

Now they're like talking about he might be able to keep the eye with like filling it because it it opened in the back like a flap and like all the shit leaked out and then they had to fill it with this oil and they're trying to hope that they can at least save the eye

but the vision's gone awful right oh god awful Jesus Christ and like for fun from a stupid sport like baseball yeah for fun

like a fun game on a fucking Sunday it's terrible terrible yeah man fuck that um man fuck that But fuck that kick too You don't like that kick to the thigh?

To the thigh it's cool But when you're trying to extend the guy's knee Isn't that illegal in glory? Well I mean it really depends on where he's hitting him It's such a weird thing Because if your leg is You know your leg is slightly bent And the guy catches you above the thigh With that push kick It's gonna if your leg is if you know your leg is slightly bent and the guy catches you

above the thigh with that push kick it's gonna extend your leg and it's gonna hurt it's not i mean the way he did it that was really nasty yeah i mean that was one of the worst ones i've seen did you ever see that one with miguel torres yeah we watched it when i for the first time i was on your podcast oh yeah that's right But every time I see it, it just bugs me. I had a knee surgery, and we were talking earlier about how long it takes you to come back mentally. Forever. And I was out for a year from an ACL and MCL tear. But in that last three months, especially that last camp getting back into the ring,

every time you feel any kind of twist or pop or any scar tissue that breaks like you just freak out you make like a girly noise like if i was a fucking spider ran across the room and uh yeah it's really hard so every time i see any kind of shit like that on the knee it bugs me yeah that's why people are so terrified of heel hooks you know heel hooks scare people more than anything because with with the difference between tapping and not tapping quick enough is you being crippled for a year and yeah you know super effective move but that's why a guy like husamar paul harris is so hated yeah like he's only one of the most hated guys in the history of the sport because he holds on the heel hooks those are those are the two those are the two guys

that i hate this shit the flashy dancers and the heel hookers This shit is gonna be crazy It's gonna be nuts Week over Hoven and Botter Hart You seen Botter lately? Oh my god It looks like he's on all the steroids Oh for sure

All the steroids For sure, for sure, for sure For sure, for sure He's so much bigger than he's ever been before And I can't fucking wait to watch it The bigger he gets the more I wanna watch it Look at him in that picture Oh man Look at him in that picture.

Look at that fucking picture from his Instagram. Holy shit. He looks like he gained 15, 20 pounds of muscle. At least. And you look at his last fight, he did not look like that at all. Well, what I love about this fight, too, is first of all, Rico's in his fucking prime. But Botter's been training for this fight for six months. Like, he's been putting it up on his Instagram, and he hasn't fought in forever.

Look at this. When he was fighting with shin protection and headgear, it was already a household name. It doesn't matter. Rico, you cannot deny Rico Verhoeven is a bad motherfucker. Yeah. I mean, he is so high level right now. And his endurance and pace and athleticism for a heavyweight is really rare. He's something special. Yeah, he's super athletic, and he in athleticism for a heavyweight is really rare. He's something special.

Yeah, he's super athletic, and he's a giant dude. He's a fucking giant dude. So is Botter, and Botter's a savage. Like, just a straight savage. I'm getting, like, super excited. I'm fucking, Botter's, like, my hero, man. Let's do one for that. And the bigger, the more juiced up he gets, the more I'm like,

fuck, yeah, I can't wait. Because I thought I was a little worried that, right? Let's do one for that. And the bigger, the more juiced up he gets, the more I'm like, fuck yeah, I can't wait. Because I thought, I was a little worried that Rico's in his prime and Botter hasn't fought in a while. His last fight didn't look that great. Oh, god damn it. And now he's looking all big. I'm like, fuck. That's the same night as the UFC in Toronto. Cancel it.

I should. I'm thinking of it now. Joe, we talked about this. You're only going to do UFCs when it's in Vegas and close to home for you, right? You're not going to go out of the country. Well, North America. Canada. That's Canada. Canada's North America.

They're sort of America. Go commit a misdemeanor and you won't be able to go. It won't be your fault. They're one of our friends. They're our people. This is going to be really exciting about this fight. I'm really thinking about canceling the UFC to watch that fight how fucked up am I? Don't feel like calling the UFC. Hey Brian Stan. What's up, dude? What you doing December 10th? I was the summer 10th. Yeah my fights at summer 10th. Oh, well, what the fuck?

Are you on Bellator? I'm canceling the fight. Fuck it. That's crazy that Bellator is doing that on the same night as Glory? Yeah, it's my fight in Italy for Bellator. They're doing like a, I think it's three events or two events. Is it going to be Bellator kickboxing or is it Bellator MMA? It's Bellator MMA and Bellator kickboxing. So they combine it. So like one kickboxing or is it bellator mma and bellator kickbox so they combine it so

like one kickboxing fight one like shockwave did or yeah i believe so are you gonna fight on local time are you gonna fight for the u.s time i think they're actually gonna i think they play it a week later for the tv time or for the u.s time oh so you'll be able to watch it yeah because you'll fight and it'll be morning here or early in the morning when you're fighting. Probably. This is my buddy Casey Green. He's been my sparring partner in the last three or four fights. He's a really good dude.

Is he taller than you? This guy? Yeah. Casey? No. I think I have about an inch on him. He's gotten a lot better over the last two years. He works so hard. Works so hard.

He's like real consistent. I'm really excited. This guy's got a tough fight on his hands. This Thai guy he's fighting has got like 170 fights. That's so crazy. Casey's out of Saxons and Van Nuys, right? Bamba said he's been coming up to train

with you. Yeah, Bamba's been fucking... Yeah, you should come through. My coach has been torturing us, but we've been getting some really good work in. Bamba's a real cool cat. Yeah, Bomba's been fucking... I'm gonna come by. Yeah, you should come through. We've been... My coach has been torturing us, but we've been getting some really good work in. Bomba's a real cool cat. Yeah, I like him. Who's Bomba?

Bomba. He was this kid on Chael's team on the Ultimate Fight of Brazil. Oh, okay. I guess he lived with Chael or lived up there where Chael was

and was a training partner for a long time. Yeah, now he's here. Chael's such a character. He's like a world... world champion jiu-jitsu guy. And he's like, I want to work on my kickboxing. I'm like, cool.

And we started doing drills. I'm like, this motherfucker's good. What the fuck? This Thai kid is 20 years old and he has 100 and what fights? 170 or 160. That is fucking incredible. Right? That's insane.

The first Thai tape I ever watched from a friend from Thailand. They had like two 17 year olds They had like 100 and something fights Well in Thailand Your prime is like 16, 17, 18 You know if you're 23 years old you're like over the hill Like you're fucking getting older

What about a guy like San Chai who's 36 Well even San Chai is like I don't think he's like Maybe San Chai still is but for the most part Those guys that Like San Chai or Bukow or whatever, those guys aren't even the prime in Thailand anymore. They've gotten so old and so big that now they fight the foreigners everywhere. That's interesting. Top level in Thailand is like 113 pounds. Look at his record.

134 wins, 32 losses, zero draws with 45 k.o.s that is incredible at 20 years old i have a lot of fights and he has as many k.o.s as i have fights right that's insane that's and he's 20 that's crazy that means he was born in 1996. That's insane. So when he was born, I don't know, but I'm assuming. So when he was probably eight years old or five years old, his parents took him to a Muay Thai camp, and that camp probably raised him and sent him to school or whatnot. And then every day after school, since he was five years old,

he'd fucking train Muay Thai. Look at Casey's record. In the final weekends. Five wins, six losses. Yeah. Two knockouts. Crazy.

Boy, that's a big step up for him, man. He's got a lot of, he's got the size advantage for sure in this one. And then he also, usually those ties when they come over and they do, or when they switch over to kickboxing the first time, they don't do that well because it's so different, the rule set and stuff. How good are the tie fighters when they start getting bigger, like in the heavier weights? This is 170, right? Yeah. That's big for a tie, right?

Oh, yeah. And he's not, he's probably, you know, eight. He didn't cut an ounce. He's probably over eight and waiting with his keys on to make 70. Which is like a normal thing. Yeah, he weighed 169 too. But yeah, they're just not that big of people. So even Bukow,

there's not too many guys the Bukow size. You'll see guys that were like used to be 150 pounds and then they just got super fat and now they're fighting at 185. But they have 100 fights, so even super fat they're dangerous. How do you say his name? Sitsong Pinong.

Sitsong Pinong. That's a really famous camp in Thailand. In Thailand, the fighters, their last names are usually the gym name that they represent. It's like the Brazilians, except the Brazilians kind of just pick their name like Gleason Tebow Gleason Tebow is not his real name nah or Tiago Alves what's Gleason Tebow's name? That's not Tiago Alves' last name? no that's not really? I forget Tebow's real name Tiago Alves that's not his real name? what is this what are you talking about are you serious he's dropping. This is an exclusive right here

Tiago's listening right now going shut the fuck up Shut the fuck up man. I'm fighting next month See when they when they come and they change their visa their name their visa or whatever into the u.s They make they choose their own names I don't know. I don't know if that's legal even because look next time you travel I don't know if that's legal even because next time you travel, next time you go to the UFC, look at the list. If you look at the list, you can see the guys' real names for travel. Man, Sitsong Pinong is a bad motherfucker.

He's got a quick trigger on that right kick, man. When he slams it into the forearm, you can see Casey just reacting to it. Good overhand right, too. You see Tiago down to 155 pounds now? Yeah. Whatever his real name is? Oh, what's his name? He's down to 155, man.

He looks great. Yeah, he looks good. Such a much better weight for him. Yeah, for sure. I bet he's going to be a killer at 155. I'm looking forward to this fight. Yeah. Look at his real name. Look at his real name.

Wow, his middle name is Herculano. That's a dope name. Oh, that's Gleason Tebow. Yeah, I know. That is Tebow's middle name. What the fuck name is that? Gleason Tebow. His real name name is that? Gleason Tebow. His real name is Johnny.

Johnny Gleason. That's his name, Johnny Gleason. Johnny Gleason. Johnny Gleason Herculano Alves. So he went with Gleason Tebow. Why didn't he go with Alves? Gleason Alves. Because Tebow, I mean, Tiago's already called Casey's hurt.

He got rocked. He got rocked. Yeah, fucking leg kick stunned him and then he ate. He ate that right hand. It's like he's back though. Come on, Casey. Schilling, who's the best Muay Thai commentator? Is it Vinny Shorman?

I think I really enjoy Vinny. I think Vinny's really good he knows his shit that's for sure absolutely um it's hard finding really good guys i mean uh obviously valtellini's super knowledgeable oh he got tagged oh shit oh at the bell yeah they call that and that a slip. Oh, he's hurt, man. He's hurt. They call it a slip? Yeah, they call it a throw. That is not a slip. He was cracked.

That referee is pro-America. America. America. Let's make America great again. Let's make America great with his right hand. Come on, son. He's hurt there. Well, maybe. Well, yeah, they can't call hand. Come on, son. He's hurt there. Well, maybe.

Can't call it a knockdown, though. He threw another shot after. There was a lot of slipping. He did fall down from a slip. Good job, ref. Go America. Go America. I gotta give it to him. Come on, Casey. Okay, so Come on Casey Is it hard Okay so

In a Muay Thai fight Or a kickboxing fight Like in Glory When you watch MMA And your guy's getting Beaten on his feet And your teammate's Getting beaten on his feet

You're like Get the takedown You figure like There's another way When a guy's getting Beat up on their feet In Muay Thai What are you thinking

Yeah There's no other way Yeah We gotta figure this we gotta just gotta land a big shot we gotta change something here I like to see Casey start using this movement stop being don't be so predictable for that stand in front of you Thai style yeah well there's also Casey's chart needs to be like more American right now not try to fight a Muayai style against this guy because it's just too much experience do you think that guys automatically try to fight the style of the ties because i mean that's what they idolize right i mean like everybody who's a muay thai fighter they they they idolize the greats you know they idolize these high level guys and then they wind up fighting them one day yeah i don't think it's intentional per se but i

think you end up doing that or um we should just watch a bunch of romo and decker's fights time what's going on is there a cut no casey was complaining about uh about clinching and kneeing the time the referee had stopped it but he didn't stop the thai guy didn't stop he doesn't know what the fuck there's no fucking clue what he's saying he's just looking he's hearing yeah yeah yeah i winning yeah yeah yeah let me keep fight i think I think it's what you were asking, Joe. I think it's kind of like the Wonderboy thing, too. Like when you're in that moment, you don't realize that you're kind of playing the other guy's game sometimes.

There's a thing that you see with guys like Sitsong Pinong. When you see guys that have been doing it their whole life where their their trigger is so fast like the way he throws that that kick that that switch kick that he just threw and the way he throws it's like they have they have such fluidity because their technique is so a part of like who they are and how they develop as a human like you just throw that right kick to the arms it's like it becomes like a part of how they move. He's probably been moving, throwing kicks and punches and avoiding them and clenching. He just did it again.

He just clenched him and hit him with the knee there. He's been doing that since he was a baby. Yeah, it's just that fight IQ is just so much higher. The fight IQ and also the efficiency of the movement. so much higher, you know? The fight IQ and also the efficiency of the movement. You watch Casey, and I've seen some of his other fights, and he fights, usually fights at a much longer range.

He's, like, really close to this dude. He's so punished already. You know, that's part of the problem. We're deep into the second round. He's just been beaten up so much. And the last thing you want to do with a tie with that much experience is to clinch. glory rules you know it's a clinch anyway but like that's what you ends up happening you know for some reason you keep doing the same thing but yeah casey usually has a really a lot better movement and moving side to side but i think he's getting flustered

here or maybe he's looking for the big shot but it's not coming Get aggressive Did he hurt his knee fuck was that did he hurt his knee there? I'm sure Something like his leg just gave out. He's still lovely What is that from was that from a punch? I didn't see it. Oh, he's fucked. He's still fucked, but look he's trying to move Yeah, I Stopped it. Oh, he just got stunned. Oh, he's hurt. He's hurt.

But it seems like he's not just. His leg's fucked up. Yeah. Yeah, he's got something wrong with his leg. Come on, ref. Oh, his leg went backwards there, too. Come on, ref. Yeah.

Is the ref going to stop it? No. Oh, man. Yeah, his leg is fucked up. Yeah, his leg's fucked up. Oh, he's too tough for his own good he's got 10 seconds left around referee stop the fight oh shit right before he got ko'd oh yeah when a guy is that hindered by something you gotta kind of stop the fight what happened with his leg? I'm sure they're going to show us. But that was one of the weirdest.

The way he went down. Yeah. And also the way he was trying to get up and it just wasn't working. It was like his ACL had blown out or something. It's like when you just kind of tease a cockroach with bug spray. What the fuck are you doing? I grew up in the Bahamas, man. What the fuck?

What the fuck, dude? And we're all like, yeah, yeah, I know. He did that, actually. I know. I do that. Let's see it here. Let's see it here. Okay, you hit him on the right hand.

Is that it? That's weird. Is that it? Hmm. That's weird. Oh, I see. Oh, it was a left hook. No, that's the end. That's the left hook is the end. Well, what made him wobble like that?

No, that's the very end of the fight. He was already hurt, but he already had a problem with his leg. See, I want to know. This is terrible replays. If I would be asking the truck, I want to know what happened terrible replays. If I would be asking the truck, I want to know what happened. Was it a punch? Was it an elbow? What caused him to go down the first

time and why was he so wobbly? Was it because he got hurt or was it because of a knee injury? Man, why don't they show that? Get on it, Glory. Is that like a 12-year-old doctor right there? Who is that? Yeah, you got to be 14 to be a doctor.

Doogie Howser. Doogie Howser right there? Just holding on to him. Dude, fuck showing us this. Show us what happened in the fight. Yeah, I don't know why they're not showing that. This is very strange. Don't they broadcast this overseas also?

It's probably commercial time. I think you're exactly right. Yeah. How the fuck is this not on regular tv it's so exciting i mean in the depth of talent look sits on pinong it's 20 years old how many of these dudes are out there and there is there hundreds right you know there's a lot yeah the depth of talent in kickboxing is off the fucking charts. And isn't Malapet fighting Kyle Holland back tonight? I heard that Kyle got hurt and he pulled out of the fight. No!

I tried texting him, but I haven't heard. But I heard he might have blown his knee out recently, this week maybe. Oh, my God. I reached out to him, but I hadn't heard. Oh, my God. I just heard about it today. I reached out to him, but I didn't hear him. Dude, do you know how many fights Malibet has? Over 200, right? Yeah.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it is amazing. It's amazing. You know he has a brother. Who else is on the Lion Fight card? Did they cancel the whole card? Or they just canceled the main fight?

No, it was just the main event. I think now Malifette's fighting Joe the other time. Joe something or other. Joe Natawat? Yeah. Holy shit. That's a better fight. Or a really good fight, at least.

Yeah, it's a really good fight. And then my buddy Romeo Danzo's fighting on that card as well. Lion Fight has some outstanding talent. They really do. Yeah, there's California and the U.S. in general. There's a lot of really good Muay Thai. More so probably than kickboxing because there's so many Muay Thai gyms here in Los Angeles. Yeah, makes sense. It just seems to me to be the most underappreciated, underrated sport in the U.S.,

especially, like, what is the one thing that people complain about in MMA? Like, oh, fucking go to the ground, you queers. Stop hugging each other. You know, but no one goes to the ground. This is all stand-up, and yet still. I think Muay Thai also is much more entertaining than boxing, straight boxing.

Oh, yeah, for sure. And I think boxing's entertaining. Don't get me wrong. Agreed. I still enjoy it, but, yeah, I mean. So the talent's there, and the people to watch it are here, so where's the problem? Lies. Okay, here they're going to show it to us.

Show us the fucking replay. Yeah, I mean, that's part of the problem. The problem, Joe Schilling, is that you get these Thai guys beating up Americans So, okay, this is world-class kickboxing So we're gonna make a matchup there one of our American up-and-coming American stars I'm gonna match them up with a guy with 160 fights. See that Interesting interesting. Let's see it again. So there's a right hand Is that right hand the what what short-circuited him?

Hmm. And this is what ends it. This is what ends it. Meanwhile, the referee should have fucking called it. That guy's behind him waving it off. Who's the guy waving it off? He looks like an official. Hmm.

Incredible. Well, either way. Who makes that matchup? That's a good question. Why would you make that matchup? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe they just needed a fight for Pino.

Six fights versus 160-something. Like, he literally has 16 times more fights that's crazy man well he's a bad motherfucker that's for sure it's just interesting to see uh i i would hate for glory and for kickboxing in general to stay at this level how about the heart on casey we're all sitting here saying stop the the fight, stop the fight. He could have stopped the fight if he wanted to. Exactly. Yeah, he could have not made the count.

Guy's a fucking monster. He didn't even try to take a knee when he couldn't stand up. He didn't say, let me just take a knee here. Is he praying to the Thai king who just died? Yeah, the king just died. So that's really common, too, also in Thailand. There's always usually carrying a photo of the king to the ring and whatnot. Wow.

They're very loyal to the king over there. So when the king passed away here recently, it was last week, I think, it's like a really big deal to the Thai people. I mean, here if Obama died, it would be like a big deal, but I don't know if people would be as... Yeah, I don't know. I remember I saw Malipet had a picture and he posted something on his on his instagram about it i don't know if anybody's standing there with a tribute to obama no they wouldn't give a fuck

if obama got shot maybe a month into office people would be sad yeah but after a month they were already blaming him for the economy you you know? But after eight years... If Obama gets shot now, they're just going to repeal Obamacare. The same type of people that still want to have Confederate flags would be cheering. Those people would be so happy. I go back to Texas sometimes and literally two miles from my daughter's house, on a corner, on a highway intersection, they just got Confederate flags just lined up hanging,

and they're selling them. They're just sitting there in their trailer selling Confederate flags. People drive around with Confederate flags flying out of the back of their trucks, their pickups. It's weird coming out here because I grew up with that. I've seen that a lot. It wasn't strange to me until I came here, lived here for a year, and then went back there and saw it.

So I grew up in Ohio, and that was like a thing, but it was like not like a racist thing. It's like a southern thing, and it's like part of history. Ohio's not in the south. Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's about tradition. It's about tradition. But it's like, no, it's like redneck.

It's not, you know, it's not whatever. I'm really into grits. The people are like all pissed off that they like, you can't use it. Like they got rid of it or whatnot. But they were Lenin's kid fans. That's our history. I'm like, what the fuck kind of history is that? Yeah. That's a history you want to fucking keep?

Imagine if the Nazis hung on to that. You know, Germans like, there was one time when we were strong. Yeah, right. Or the rising rising uh rising sun well that rising sun is still a big issue with a lot of uh fighters have that tattooed yeah gsp hat yeah but some fighters have that tattooed and you know some people think it's incredibly offensive yeah koreans and chinese people really get offended by it yeah yeah i Yeah, it's easy for people outside of that to not understand what those symbols actually mean.

So this is an interesting fight. Cavalieri's a bad motherfucker. I'm not familiar with Dallas. Neither am I. I know he fought in glory before. This is like his second fight. His first fight, but he took it on like a week's notice and he fought a heavyweight.

So, I don't know. Yeah, I was looking through things. There's a couple guys that dropped weight on this card. In the middleweight contender tournament, there's this guy, Macho or Machado. And he fought on

the contender tournament at 205 at Glory 32, but now he's in the middleweight tournament. So this dude's with Mike's gym. He's still, even though he's fighting at 205, Glory 32, but now he's in the middleweight tournament. So this dude's with Mike's gym. He's still, even though he's fighting at 205, still carrying some body fat on him. How many weight classes does Glory have now? Five, right? 45, 55, 70, 85, 205, and heavyweight.

God, why is it so much like MMA? Because they're unoriginal and they wanted to be just like the UFC to sell to the UFC fans. Yeah, that's so ridiculous because they're calling 205 light heavyweight. That's hilarious. The UFC is what used to

before the UFC made the weight classes or whatever middleweight was 154 just like boxing and then there's like junior light heavyweight there's like a million types of middleweights now UFC made the weight classes or whatever. Middleweight was 154, just like boxing. And then there's like junior light heavy. There's like a million types of middleweights now. Yeah, well, middleweight was 160, but it was 154 to 160. Super middleweight, 168.

Light heavyweight, 175. Cruiserweight, 195. There was a time where the UFC didn't even have a 55. When Eve Edwards was the baddest motherfucking 55 on the planet. You were the uncrowned champ, man. That's a long time ago. That's a long time ago, but you were the uncrowned champ. When the UFC eliminated, right after you knocked out Josh Thompson, you were the consensus best 155-pound guy in the planet.

And then the UFC said, yeah, you're not really in this weight class yeah that was in the hemorrhaging money money days they didn't have any money no that kind of sucked but it is what it is right oh man should give you a fucking belt though yeah let's just break you off just break you off this this is still something for the mantle about this this is still something for the mantle i just go home and i put my um put my i make a playlist on on fight pass and watch my journey to the title pretend that i got one just uh take a burlap sack fill it up with light bulbs do you hear that sounds like a burlap sack for a light didn't uh in that fight, Aaron Riley had to have his entire lower jaw reconstructed with metal

and have his teeth wired into place? I didn't know he had all those wires. I know he had to have surgery. I know he had surgery. That was pretty significant. I think you literally broke

where the teeth connect to his lower jaw. I think he snapped all that. Hence the light bulb analogy. That makes more sense now though. For sure. That sounds like a dick move now.

And you're like, I know he had surgery because you were fucking... I wrote that down in my diary. Dear diary. Aaron Riley had surgery. Aaron Riley's been on the receiving end of some fucking ruthless fights. The Robbie Lawler fight. He introduced Robbie Lawler to the UFC.

Yeah. I know that wasn't fun. And then Chris Lieben. No, not Chris Lieben. I'm sorry. Chris Lytle knocked him out. That's right. Yeah.

Well, Chris Lieben introduced the world to Anderson. Yeah. That was tailor-made. Tailor-made for him. Yeah, I remember that. He went into that fight. I mean, you always go into a fight confident, but he went into that fight as confident as Lieben can be.

Yeah. And then it was like, hello world, I'm Anderson Silva. Yeah. And then it was like, hello world, I'm Anderson Silva. Yeah, that was when Anderson was really, like, he had taken time off of pride, and then he went and fought in cage rage. And in cage rage, he really came into his own. He fought in cage rage.

Those were some of the most impressive fights he ever had in his entire career. Tony Fricklin with the back elbow. Oh, yeah, Tony Fricklin with the back elbow. How about Lee Murray? Beat the fuck out of Lee Murray. Beat the fuck out of Lee Murray. Beat the fuck out of him. And Lee Murray was scary back then. Wasn't Lee Murray like a... I heard he's like a fucking debt collector

or something over there. Oh, he's way more... Gangster. He's the most gangsterous gangster that ever gangstered. Lee Murray's responsible. He was one part of the biggest armed robbery in the history

of England that's what it was now isn't he in jail in Morocco yep he got a girl pregnant from jail that's how strong

his comment is he fathered a child while he was in the pokey Pablo Escobar stuff yeah he um he also Anderson also

had a crazy fight with Jorge Rivera. Do you remember that fight? Yeah. Rivera, he let Rivera punch him in the face because Rivera was like a hard hitter. And he stood right in front of Rivera and let Rivera clinch up with him and hit him with bombs. And he stood at him looking at him, hitting him. Anderson used to be a beast.

I remember from when he was fighting. You know, Anderson used to fight at 167 pounds. Yeah, in pride. Yeah. And judo. Oh, that's right. He was a judo champ. He beat Sakurai for the belt.

167. Wow. That was like in 99. Do you remember that kid who used to fight? What the fuck was his name? He used to call himself the Brazilian killer Alex... Stiebling. Alex Stiebling, yeah. He used to call himself the Brazilian killer because he beat a bunch of Brazilians.

This tough-ass white dude. And Anderson chinned him across the eyebrow and opened up a new vagina on his forehead. Yeah, Stiebling was bad until that happened. Yeah. Anderson will change your life, man. Yeah. Yeah, he'll open up a vagina on your forehead. What he did to Carlos Newton in Pride.

Oh, yeah. A flying knee. Boom. It's weird, some of the losses that he had, though. Like the Rio Chonin. Oh, yeah. It's like... Had a broken foot going into that fight.

Oh. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. he had though like the rio chonen oh yeah it's like had a broken foot going in that fight oh yeah i didn't know that yeah rio chonen hit him with the craziest flying scissor heel hook tap out ever was it on that foot like he probably like right away maybe right maybe but i honestly chonen was beating him on the feet anderson did not look good in that fight his timing was off it was tentative he just wasn't properly prepared. But that was also when he was going through this transitionary period where he left shoot the box and he started Muay Thai Dream Team. You remember that? Yep.

Yeah, he had, like, left and then sort of established. Like, he was in the middle of, like, transitioning between gyms. i just don't think he was trained as well as he had been in the past what's your favorite all time well not even all time let's just go back to because you've been doing this for a long time you've been watching mma the whole time it's been around joe what's your favorite mma fight from back in the day man i don't know if i have a favorite i don't think i have a favorite but i remember looking forward to those vandal a fights more than anything on the planet he was just my all-time he'd be like at the time at least my favorite just because he was just a fucking tornado of chaos.

He was so primal, you know? He was just so filled with rage, and he would be looking at the guy across the ring and doing that shit with his wrists where he'd roll his hands. He was just so fucking crazy. Like snake eyes. Yeah. Like he had... He was so crazy.

Did he have fucking contacts or what? He just looked... But I think when Crow Cop knocked him out, that was one of my favorite fights too because the style that Vanderlei used was not a technical style. He swung punches with his arms. He was very overly muscled,

juiced to the tits. Brawler. Just fucking jacked and super aggressive. He knocked a lot of guys out and won a lot of fights, but when you saw that shit against Krokop, it was just not flying. It just was not going to happen. Krokop was at a

completely different level when it came to striking, and then in that fight, Vandele striking was exposed. I remember watching an old school Vandele fight with a friend of mine who was a striker who knew how to box. He's like, God, this guy throws these wild ass punches.

He doesn't cover his chin and everything is arm punches and looping. MMA striking is kind of fucked up. I'm like, well, it's easier said than done. There's a lot of good strikers who stood in front of Vanduulay and panicked. Yeah.

Because he was just so fucking crazy and screaming and... All he has to do is land one of those big A-makers. Oh, yeah. But, I'm with Crow Cop. Crow Cop. The first fight, it was one of those weird rules fights. Remember that? Yep.

They had shorter rounds. They limited the amount of time on the ground. It was a, and it was a draw. It wasn't a fight where they had a distinctive decision. Like you couldn't, a lot of people made money on that. Oh really?

Yeah. Because the, the betting line was, I guess the, the, the, the people putting up the betting line, they didn't realize that if the fight went to the distance, it was a draw automatically.

Oh, so they bet for the draw? Yeah. Yeah. And they paid out, too. That's interesting. But that was back when you could fucking bet online, man. God, they got to bring that back. I would be betting on everything online.

If online betting was still there, I'd bet on this for fun. Why not? Right. Isn't that what DraftKings is? Or they shut DraftKings down? No, DraftKings is fantasy. It's different. It's like you pick fighters.

You pick rounds. It's like a sneaky way of getting around gambling. You can kind of gamble, but it's not the same. I want to be able to bet 50 bucks on this guy. I want to bet 100 bucks on that guy. I want to be able to bet. I'm a fucking grown man. I pay to bet 100 bucks on that guy. I want to be able to bet. I'm a fucking grown man. I pay taxes.

I'm a goddamn American. Isn't that what Bodog was? Yes. Where it was from? Well, that's why that guy Calvin Ayer had to leave the country. He's a criminal because he had all this online gambling shit going on. And he was an American citizen. So he can't even live in America anymore.

Not only that, I don't think he's allowed to visit america i think calvin air lives in like costa rica do you remember calvin air do you remember bodog fight i remember bodog there's somebody else like that too um there's a gang of those guys shoot i forget his name they turned a bunch of entrepreneurs into criminals yeah just changed the law america america but calvin ire had some great fights man he brought the world chael sunnen that was the first chael sunnen fight kane velasquez had his first fight on bodog really yeah um you fought you fought for bodog bodog eddie was the champ in Bodog. Masvidal came from Bodog. Jorge Masvidal. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, he put on some good fights, and he put them on the beach, and the girls were banging. He had ring card girls that just, whoa. Jesus. Yeah, I remember it was always on a beach somewhere. Costa Rica. Exactly. We were in Costa Rica. Yeah, he put everything on where he likes to hang out. It's like, shit, let's have a beach somewhere. Like, almost secluded. Costa Rica. Exactly. We're in Costa Rica. Yeah, he put everything on,

like, where he likes to hang out. He's like, shit, let's have a fight here. And then once was in Russia, that kind of sucked. It was cold,

it was November. Yeah, he did it in Russia and he had Fedor fight Matt Lindlund. Yup. That's right. Remember that. And I think

Matt Lindlund got fucked in that fight. Remember? Fedor grabbed the ropes. Matt Lindlund got the clinch on Fedor and Matt Lindland was about to take Fedor down and Fedor grabbed the ropes

and held on hard and then reversed the position. Because he grabbed the ropes. Yeah, I remember that. And I think Matt Lindland got fucked financially too, if I remember correctly. I don't think he got paid. Or he didn't get paid what he was supposed to get paid or something.

There was some sort of controversy. But the controversy about the takedown was gigantic. Could you imagine if Matt Linden would have beaten Fedor at that time? Oh my God. It would have been crazy. At that time, Fedor was Fedor. Yeah. But that was post-Pride, right? that was post pride right that was post pride yeah

he had gone through a lot of weird shit right in pride i feel like there's fedor in pride and i think fedor and pride is the all-time greatest heavyweight i feel like fedor and pride if you want to look at like and who knows what's going on as far as like chemicals and steroids and all kinds of the shit who knows because you know that everybody far as like chemicals and steroids and all kinds of the shit. Who knows? Because you know that everybody was doing shit back then. I've told this story before, but I wish I still had a copy of it. But the Pride contract.

The Pride contract says, this is what it reads. It says, you will be tested for cocaine, heroin, and other barbiturates. Then the very next line was all caps. It said, you will not be tested for steroids. That was in the contract. Yeah, Ensign told me about that. Ensign Inouye? Ensign's a G.

Yeah, he's awesome. I love that guy. He's coming in town soon. I never get a hold of that dude. I think it was K-1. Maybe K-1 or Kuros. Maybe Dream. I heard everybody would go in for the drug test,

and then when they came out, there would just be cups all the way along, on the floor, cups full of piss, but nobody's name on it, and that was their whole drug testing system. But everybody pissed in a cup. They just had no clue whose was what. That's awesome. I saw something with Ensign on Viceland a couple of days ago. What was he doing?

He wasn't even hosting the show. The guy, I don't remember the guy's name anyway. Ensign was, he had these guys in Japan. They were street

fighting. So they had on MMA gloves, but they, like, you know how they have the car racers, the race car guys? It seems like they

parked a bunch of cars, they made a ring with the cars, and they're just throwing now with little little gloves on in the concrete on concrete It's on Viceland. It's I think it's on this week or it was on last week Viceland's crazy. I love that network It's amazing. They put on some insane programs. That's like a mat's a real man channel like You know man cave channel you. You sit in your man cave and just watch

Niceland. Have you ever watched Fuck That's Delicious? Yes. That dude came in here, man. He actually brought and smoked more joints in the course of an hour

than anyone in the history of the podcast. Half those are probably his still. Yeah, half those, half these joints, these roaches that are sitting in the ashtray was his.

I never seen anybody just burn through joints like a chain smoker through cigarettes in two hours i mean i was so faded i had no idea what we talked about just three minutes ago and he's just keep he keeps hitting it snoop is like that i was on uh nick nick was in town and he was doing that ggn and that snoop dog that football thing he does no it's like a it's like a podcast network thing oh yeah he does it with video

right yeah it's like a video thing and uh went in there and like he just blunt after blunt

after blunt after blunt after blunt like threw like a pound of weed he's like oh whatever you like what could Nick hang

that's what I want to know we all hung but it was like it was rough but you can see like how like lit he was though like even snoop was like on some other shit like yeah how did action bronson do after smoking all those joints well it's hard to tell because he was barbecued when he got here yeah he got here cooked and he got he kept getting cooked i mean it was like yeah you're done dude

like some dudes just don't stop. I stop, man. When we do podcasts, I'll take a couple hits and I'm like, I'm good. You guys good? We're good. But some people are never good. They just keep going. I don't understand it. It's a different mentality.

You know who got me one of the most high? Look at that. He tried a fucking axe kick. Do you remember Cabbage? Yeah. Cabbage Correa? Cabbage and I. He's one of my favorite fighters I've ever.

He's an animal. That's the kind of fighters I really want to see. People like Cabbage. But yeah, go ahead. He was in Vegas. And me and him and Andy Bravo, we went to my hotel room. And he had this fucking gigantic blunt. And we were so high.

We should have stopped. But he kept saying, Yamato Damashii, which means warrior spirit. He kept saying that. Yamato Damashii. And he'd pass the joint. I'm like, all right, man. Samurai spirit. Samurai spirit.

Yeah, samurai spirit. I don't want to disappoint cabbage. And the rest of the night, we're done. We went to a butt. We went and ate. And then we were just all paranoid and fucked up, contemplating mortality for the rest of the night. What he used to say, my head's full of rocks and junk or some shit like that. It's all full of rocks and junk with that Hawaiian accent.

He could take it, man. Oh, man. Oh, my God. That fight with Sylvia, remember? He fought Tim Sylvia, and Tim Sylvia beat the fuck out of him. And Tank Abbott, no? And Arlovsky, too, remember? Arlovsky.

Yeah. Arlovsky KO'd, or Tank Abbott KO'd him. In a K-1 fight, I want to say. I feel like it was a kickboxing fight. I feel like it was in Hawaii. Yeah. I feel like it was a K-1 fight. Yeah.

Dude, that dude looked like Stefan Bonner for a second. Yeah. Yeah. Hello. Hey, look, it's Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen. They only show you getting your mouthpiece knocked out, these fucks. No, that was Simon getting his mouthpiece knocked out. Oh, that's right.

Artem Levin. Is he done, man? What's going on with him now? I don't know. I hope so. Did you watch the Simon Marcus, Jason Willis fight? Did you ever want to watch that? I saw the highlight.

I didn't see the whole thing. Crazy fight. Yeah. Crazy fight, dude. It's like all the wind went out of Simon's sails. Jason Willis was getting battered early on, and Simon looked fantastic. He looked super aggressive, super strong.

But then somewhere around the second round, it looked like he was just losing all of his pop. And then he did some weird thing. Did you see that weird thing he did against the ropes? I saw him let him. He has like a bravado kind of thing. Yeah, he let him tee off on him. Come on, give it to me. And then fucking gave it to him, right? He gave it to him. Willness can crack. stood there let him let he has like a bravado kind of thing yeah he let him tee off on him come on

give it to me and then fucking gave it to him right gave it to him wellness can crack well you know that more than anybody yeah yeah that should be interesting it looked to me like uh simon it sounds even like simon was getting tired you know and i had heard that he's not with his old coach anymore so maybe that's it but as i was asking eve um being in denver when i fought there it makes like a big difference the high altitude and he's fighting dustin jacoby who i don't think is anywhere near the the caliber fighter to fight a guy like simon but he's from denver and that gives him a lot of advantage you know that's tonight yeah do you think that simon should recover though i mean he got knocked the fuck out just a couple of months ago yeah i i don't i don't think that's

good either no when i knocked him out he fought again and yeah like i said he's got like that fought in china right in china like i don't know right away and got knocked out again who ko'd him in china i forget the guy's name i don't remember but. But it was an upset. It's on YouTube. Yeah, it was a big upset. That's kind of scary. You heard about Jordan Parsons and the CTE? Isn't he like 25? Right. And he only had two losses and one by KO.

I know we got CTE, man. CTE. Chronic Traumatic Encephalus. Head trauma. Yeah, brain damage. Yeah. chronic traumatic encephalus head trauma brain damage but they can't test it they can't see it until you're dead post-mortem or autopsy

ugh he had it the person was only hit by the car and he was only 25 and then he found out that he had that and didn't even know yeah well what's crazy is he was okay I mean he was only 25. And then they found out that he had that and didn't even know? Yeah. Oh, that's awful. Well, what's crazy is he was okay.

I mean, he was articulate. He fought well. Fully functioning. Fully functioning. And then they do this test on him, and they're like, yeah. Well, what they're concerned with is that they're missing out on a lot of the damage that you're getting in the gym, and that there's no way to really detect it until you're dead.

But it's just like this slow creeping thing that's happening to you. And then, I mean, when does a guy like Jordan Parsons, 25 years old, fully functional, articulate, he can hang with any conversation, but then what does that mean when he's 60 or 40? Yeah, that's the big question. What does that mean? Yeah. What does it mean for a guy like Peter Hertz? He's been KO'd like 14 times.

Right. Yeah. Melvin Manhoff. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking cyborg. Yeah. Yeah.

If he didn't have it before, after that knee, he's got it now. But if he has it after just two, I'm sure I already have it. I promise you. How many football players, you know? They all have it. Every well player. My cousin had concussions and multiple concussions just playing high school football, you know? Yeah.

Fuck. Excellent. Yeah. That's probably it. I mean, if you could see it, that's probably I mean if you could see it that would probably be an epidemic right now if you could see

who had it right if it was like a light bulb that went off on their head what do we know about it though like what is it it's degenerative takes time to show

it's full effects 8 to 10 years after you're diagnosed with it you really start seeing the damage because it slowly gets worse start drooling and shit like that.

Depending, of course, on whether or not you still receive damage. Supposedly there's some athletes, some NFL athletes that either killed themselves or did some extremely violent things because they weren't fully functioning. Yeah.

Like that Will Smith movie. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah, it's not like... Think about like these, the WWF guys or or the pro wrestlers. They always end up dying of these fucking psychotic, fucking crazy deaths. And then everyone's like, oh, they're on steroids. Well, maybe they get fucking slammed in the head. Have you seen Kurt Angle outside of the ring lately?

No. He looks crippled. He can't even turn his head. He can't even hardly move. He looks like Batman. He looks terrible. And then they turn the camera on and he's like, oh. He looks like crippled. He can't even turn his head. He can't even hardly move. He looks like Batman. He looks terrible. And then they turn the camera on and he's like, oh. He pulls it together.

But he looks really fucking bad, huh? Yeah. A buddy of mine just went to a high school football game. And he said in a high school football game, he saw six kids get laid out. Just laid out. Where they, boom, collide. And these kids are just laying down fucking knocked unconscious out of their fucking mind in a high school football game think about that

though i mean you're taking some of the best at high school they're best at best athletes in their school but when you get to the nfl level some some of the best athletes in the world you put them in a box and you just say go 60 times and they just run into each other that's what it is yeah it's you know they're going to have brain trauma yeah there's no way around that way before all of the money comes in and all the other other people like guiding you come into play you know when you're a high school kid you know and then you got these fucking crazy dads they're like come on son you're gonna be tough like my cousin had like a broken ankle but like still played the fucking state championship he's like in ohio is like big football town you know and um yeah he had like multiple concussions

and playing with injuries and all that shit because it was like a big deal but yeah you gotta be a man yeah you gotta be a man crazy the biggest fight in kickboxing history butter is an excellent fighter but it's my time. I am the champ. Fighting with shin protection and headgear is already a household name in Japan. Where the real men were fighting. Such a G. That's probably like the fourth thing.

They were like, no, you can't say that. I love that. He wrote another one. No, you can't say that. Okay, fine. Your household name. Okay, we'll take that. That's going to be a crazy fight, man.

Yeah, the real problem with all this CTE shit is there's nothing they can do about it. It's not like you get a broken bone and they can put in a titanium rod and they can screw it in place and, yeah, I'm going to heal up. I'll be all right after a while. CBD. But it's just that we don't know that yet. I'll be all right after a while. CBD. But it's just that we don't know that yet. I mean, there's nothing they can do about it now. Now. Right.

So I guess the next step would be to figure out a way to test for it while people are still alive. What do you got up here, Jamie? What is this? Is this Joe Namath? Yeah, he's gone under hyperbaric oxygen therapy, it says. And he says he's this is his quote right here he's got a trial he's trying to get some money for at a research center where

they're going to do testing to see if they can so my thinking is much clearer explains finding the right words has become easier and i remember events with more clarity one of the really great results that my sleep has improved i sleep more soundly and I have vivid dreams. With the therapy now completed, Joe maintains that the lasting benefits are both mental and physical. And now more energy and strength. I feel great. Hmm. How much pussy do you think he's getting still?

Joe Namath used to walk around with a fucking gigantic fur coat on. Yeah. Back when you could wear fur. Yeah. Just balling out of control in the 1970s those old school dudes man old school football players they get banged up so yeah i think if you now that they've like recognized this is a thing then they can start looking in just how you fix it or whatever but i'm sure like cbd oil and uh altitude hyperbaric chambers and all

that shit right well hyperbaric is the exact opposite of altitude like high altitude is low oxygen hyperbaric is high altitude or high oxygen so they find that if they that over they over saturate you with oxygen that all of your cells tend to open up and then it starts to figure out new ways to repair itself is the idea between that it's supposed to be great for broken bones but supposed to be great when people have injuries like uh recovery time decreases well red blood cells increases your red blood cells right and that's what helps with the healing no i think that's the that's the hyper the one with less oxygen increases the red blood cells, I think. The more oxygen is what repairs.

And I think that's supposed to be really good for, I did it a few times after my, to repair from like knockouts. Did you feel it? Do you feel a difference? I never felt a difference ever, like negatively, but I just did it to be safe. Are you one of those guys that doesn't feel like the effects of things say you're taking some supplement that's supposed to be great and you don't really feel it no I feel like I have a really good awareness of my body like I try to I try to be really good about that but I mean after like being knocked out like I felt could've been knocked out I think two times three times now where it was like a half hour after the

fight where I still look real fucked up, you know? And then after that happens, I'm like really aware of it. And like, I've been asking my girl, like, am I, am I being normal? Like why slower? I'm like, fuck, I keep forgetting my car keys. I'm like, dude, you're high as fuck all the time. I'm like, are you sure? I'm not like dumber.

Like, no, just you're, you're high. You always lost your keys, but it's normal. Ironically, good for your brain. Yeah. Good for inflammation. But you never know. You don't want to end up being that guy that is like slurring and slow. Right.

We've all seen those punchy guys in the gym, you know? And those guys who are punchy in the gym and they start talking about fighting again. Yeah. We've all seen those guys where they just, in their mind they're just just gotta get in shape they still got it they can go back and do it again and you just want to tell them yeah man joe you said um after you get knocked out once once or twice um 30 minutes later so i've been knocked out like two or three times also but only one of them do i remember not remembering a big chunk of change so when i fought stout i don't remember leaving the cage i don't remember walking back i remember sitting there with with tyron and somebody else in the

doctor and i'm talking and i talking and I'm literally saying something. And then I realized my wife's in here. And my consciousness comes back to me in the middle of while I'm speaking to Tyron. I'm talking to Tyron and I'm looking at my wife. Why the hell is she back here? And then I ask him and he told me what happened. And I couldn't believe it. I didn't remember fighting any of that.

I don't remember any of that. I just know what happened because i watched the tape so to this day you don't have a functional memory no i saw stitch that night and he was like we talked on your way back backstage i don't i don't remember that conversation at all i don't remember seeing i don't remember the walk from the octagon back to the doctor i have that i think two or three times i've been knocked out maybe three times probably i've been knocked out and uh it was just one time where that's ever happened okay exact same thing yeah was it the last one no it was uh my first one actually when uh or second one when um simon no was it simon i think it was Eddie Walker.

Did you go out? Yeah, the lion fight. I was winning the entire fight and went for one fast thing and got clipped. And they woke me up in the ring, and they walked me backstage, but I don't remember walking backstage. And I remember Scott Kent, the lion fight promoter, was checking on me and talking to me. And I came to

like as I was talking to him and I'm like oh coach I need your phone I call my girl let her know I'm okay because I know they watched it and I call

and she's like laughing I'm like what the fuck are you laughing about like I just got knocked out she's like this is the fourth time you called me and I was like oh

other than that I've been cool ever since then that was the only time it was like it was a good like 15 minutes that I had no recoll since then. That was the only time. I asked the question a bunch of times. It was a good like 15 minutes that I had no recollection of. Yeah, that's the big one, right?

What happened? And you tell them and then they ask you again. What happened? You always see that with the guy in the back locker room. Like, oh, what happened though? And like five minutes later, like, what happened? Like, bro, you still got knocked out. Like, you got fucked up.

Yeah. That's kind of scary. That is such a weird thing the missing time thing yeah because i mean you're you're you're interacting with people and like what is that well how does your what part of your brain is is turned off for that period of time yeah that's strange it's scary dude that was why after ovaryem fought stipe i was like you can't do this anymore you can't interview guys after they got knocked out it's just not fair it's just not it's not right yeah that was really cool of you to do that like i'm a fighter from that perspective like i

that was like dope shit that you did you said that like stuck up for that because watching as a fighter you always i'm the type of guy like if somebody starts like saying something embarrassing like i almost want to turn it off like I get embarrassed for people all the time. People think that I hung O'Reem out to dry. I didn't know if he was right or not. I didn't know. I mean, if you don't know what we're talking about, after the fight, O'Reem got knocked out, knocked out pretty bad.

But it was a fight where there was moments where he had his moments in the fight. He tagged Stipe, had Stipe rocked. I mean, it was a fight where there was moments where he had his moments in the fight. He tagged Stipe, had Stipe rocked. I mean, it was a crazy one round. And after the fight, he said, you know, that Stipe won, but that he feels that Stipe tapped. That he got a hold of the guillotine and Stipe tapped. And I went, whoa. Okay, well, let's take a look at it. And we couldn't see it.

And then I said, do you think it's at another angle? And he said, yes, I do. Okay, let's see it again. So we showed it at then i said do you think it's at another angle and he said yes i do okay let's see it again so we showed it a different angle there was definitely no tap and so then i'm like this poor dude like he just in front of all these fucking people in cleveland he just gets knocked out and now it makes it look like he's a sore loser but you can't you can't count on his memory right now he just got shut off and Alistair's been shut off a ton of times. He's lost in the UFC by knockout. He's lost to Travis Brown by knockout.

He's lost to Ben Rothwell by knockout. Yeah, but this is just in the UFC. Bigfoot Silva by knockout. Stipe Miocic by knockout. Am I missing anybody? He's been KO'd four times just in the UFC. At least. Right? Has anybody else KO'd

him? No. I think that's it. In the UFC. Then, you gotta think, all the times he's been KO'd. Sergey Karatov knocked him out. Shogun knocked him out twice. Right? Didn't he?

Chuck. Chuck knocked him out. Right? Didn't he? Chuck Chuck knocked him out Yeah Chuck KO'd him Brutal KO Yeah Botter knocked him out Botter stopped him

But the botter stoppage Wasn't the worst one in the world It was a weird stoppage It was a two knockout Two knockdown thing In a tournament You know he got knocked down And they stopped the fight

He didn't even get knocked down But he was fucking wobbled Yeah he got wobbled In the last one He got kicked And he knocked down, but he was fucking wobbled. Yeah, he got wobbled in the last one. He got kicked and he fell down and that was it. So, I mean, a ton of KOs. A ton of KO losses.

This should be a really good fight, by the way. Varga's super tactical and Roos Malen's on fire right now. Roos Malen, is he thinking about doing MMA? Because I see him at Black Zillions a lot. Yeah, he's had a couple

of MMA fights, I think, just recently. But he's been training with Black Zillions, I think, for at least a year now, bouncing back and forth. And yeah, Varga's

really, really technical and real tricky, but I just think Roos Malen's got the experience, the high-level experience and the power. Yeah. Being in the locker room with Roos Mullen hitting pads,

he's probably the hardest I've ever seen anybody. Like, most impressive pad holder. Where you're like, whoa, what the fuck? Really? And I'm like, fuck. More than Melvin? Yeah. Well, yeah.

You've never seen Melvin in a video? Yeah, I've never seen him in pads. Dude, there's a video of Melvin and Mike holding the pads for Melvin. You're just like, Jesus Christ. For the Glory 10 fight, the tournament, somehow we end up in this little tiny room. And Semmy Schilt's in this little tiny room with us, too. And there's like no fucking, there's like eight guys, one of them Semmy Schilt, in this tiny little room to warm up.

And Robin starts hitting pads. I didn't know who Robin was or whatever. And as soon as he hit the pad the first time, I was like, yo, move out of this guy's way. Give him some space. Call him sir. He was fucking hitting hard as shit. Hitting hard as shit. And he's only, what is he, 145 pounds?

This one is his first fight. I'm 145, but he was 55. And he's a big fella. He was probably walking around 180 pounds. But he's pretty short, right? He's like 5'7", 5'6". Yeah.

He looks real lean right now. Yeah, this is an interesting fight because Varga like you said real technical and he's not like a real chance taker.

He fights he fights a smart fight whereas Bruce Mullen's super aggressive. Then you got the other factor, Bruce Mullen cutting his weight to 45. Then also being in Denver at high altitude, and he had a hard weight cut. It should be interesting. This is a three-rounder, though, right? Five rounds, title fight.

Then Vargas from Canada, which I'm assuming is probably high altitude. Because it's up north. What about Montreal? Jamie, can we get a fact check on that? Montreal is at sea level. So is Vancouver. No fucking idea. It's on the ocean.

Eh? A boat? Wait, Vargas, I thought he lost the belt. No. Didn't he? I don't I thought he lost the belt. No. Didn't he? I don't know. I feel like, no, no. I don't know.

I don't know if we'll find out. I know it's title fight, though. I thought he lost it to that Adam Chuck thing. Well, Glory, if, like, they're in negotiations and it doesn't go well, they just fucking give your belt to somebody else. Is that how it works, Joe? Yeah, this shit ain't Yeah, this shit ain't going this shit ain't going correct. I'm being very

diplomatic. You were talking about Melvin, Joe, and that dude is an athlete, right? Yeah. When he was down on American Top Team I threw the football at him. He threw a football back at me and the thing came back like a helicopter. Well, he's from Holland.

I know. They don't even know what a football is. It was still weird. He's a stud. But it's still whizzing back at you like a fucking... Yeah. That dude's a stud. Scary striker.

Knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch. Man. In an MMA fight, and he was outweighed by literally 100 pounds yeah yeah i mean mark hunt was close to 300 pounds and melvin was somewhere around 200 pounds probably less than 200 pounds he's always probably like 190 195 KO'd him with one shot yeah melvin's probably one of my favorite fighters like of all time like that but if there was a fight on tv like i'm always gonna turn on the melvin man off when you knocked him out was that a special victory for you because of that yeah well he was my first like big big name i guess for mma you know it was one of my big names and uh you know it was a it was a guy like i

really looked up to and like really respected a lot and uh it like meant a lot to me that i was even going to fight him but i think that that also helped me stay motivated going into it i had so much respect for him so my worst fights are guys that i don't think i look at him like i don't think he's that good i don't mean to like take him lightly but i just see them and i'm like this is not a scary guy you know and that's like almost all my losses have been that way ego's a motherfucker dude Yeah Ego will

Protect you Make you think You're gonna be alright We tend to Fight to your caliber Oh Beautiful Nice left hook

The Ethan Stein From Glory He's one of the Social media team And I was talking to him today And I bet money On this fight

I think his jaw Is he saying his jaw's broken? Oh, his mouthpiece came out. Oh, he didn't have it in. Oh, man. He didn't have his mouthpiece out at the beginning of the round. Oh, man. He fought the round without his mouthpiece.

That's on his corner. Yeah. And him. You forgot your mouthpiece wasn't in? Unless he got stunned in the first round, didn't know what the fuck was going on. Yeah, you got other shit

going on. Oh, he just got cracked again. You got other shit going on. Don't believe that shit. This Doug Jitsu motherfucker, you know if your mouthpiece is in or not. I know, but I don't know.

He might be zoned in. He's from Canada. He's a high L2. He's from Canada. They're different high altitude. He's from Canada. They're different up there. It's a different gene pool. Roos Malen. Funny thing about Roos Malen, he has that Dutch style.

They very rarely block leg kicks. They're just the typical Dutch style. Almost who's tougher. They get hit, they answer right back, get hit, here answer right back and I forget which fight it was but I talked I texted uh Robin and confided him after the fight I was like you have to be it was Kyria and like his legs were like all fucking purple and his ribs are all messed up and he's like no I'm never never injured after my fight I never I never never have a problem I'm never injured. After my fight, I never have a problem. I'm never sore. I already know going into the fight.

If anybody has an extra Viking in their tomb, I'm going to break my fucking feet every time. How many times have you broken your feet? I've broken all my toes at least twice. I have a couple wedge joints on my right foot that pretty regularly pop out of the socket after a fight. The worst is when? The joints just don't come back. A lot of the joints in the foot are kind of like this. And then once you break them, they go over top of each other. Oh, he went down again.

Trying to get that back in there. Damn. Bruce Malone's on a tear. Dude, he's so much power. And especially down at 143, I guess.

What's the other glory rule? Not the three knockdown, but not in one round, but in the whole fight? I think it's four knockdowns in a fight.

Is that what it is? Yeah. Oh, stunned him. But those are only for tournaments that those oh i see tournaments are so fucking crazy they really are tie up tie up there we go just get out around reset man man what they're going to show that tooth flying out. Remember Gerard Gardeau?

Yeah, went flying into the audience. That sumo dude. That was UFC 1. The soccer kick? Was he on his knees? No, he was getting up. I remember that i was i came home from school and i read in the tv guide magazine or whatever they had kickboxing versus judo versus karate versus song and i was like my step beg my stepdad i was like here here's the 20 bucks please i just want to watch this this is is going to be awesome.

Were you doing martial arts then? I was doing traditional martial arts. What kind? Kung fu. Wow. How long had you been doing it for? About two years at that point. So when you were fighting like Aaron Riley, you were really only doing martial arts for like six, seven years, huh?

Yeah. Wow, that's interesting, man. You were a quick learner. Thanks. It was fun, man. It's easy to pick up on something when you like doing it, though, right? Of course, and when you're young, and you're free, and you don't have kids,

and you're obsessed, and you don't know you're vulnerable yet. You're always in shape. You're tired. You're full of energy. Live off McDonald's. Yeah. All day. That's the most. You're tired. You're full of energy. Live off McDonald's. Yeah. All day.

That's the most awesome thing, man, eating burgers, going to the gym. Yeah, I remember hearing that about Michael Jordan, that Michael Jordan would eat a Big Mac before every big game. I'd be like, what in the fuck? I guess if you eat good all the time, you can kind of get away with that, but you really only get away with that when you're in your 20s. I don't think that was true. It's not bullshit?

He had steak and potato as his game meal. I think he was just sponsored by McDonald's, so they might have had it. Oh, interesting. Very interesting. Steak and potatoes make sense. It makes sense today. There's a lot of clips of Floyd Mayweather eating McDonald's cheeseburgers and drinking Mountain Dew between rounds. Well, he apparently likes to drink soda while he's fighting to replenish his sugar.

Or not while he's fighting, while he's training. To replenish his sugar. He'll have a long workout and he'll drink a Coke. And then isn't he, like, the only guy in Nevada that's allowed to drink Gatorade between rounds? What? How the fuck did they work that out? Look it up. Really?

Pull it up, Jamie. Look it up, Jamie. Is that really possible? Yeah, he drinks, like, Gatorade between rounds. That doesn't seem fair. And they've talked about it. They're like, wait, who the fuck is allowed to do this? He's like, oh, it's Floyd Mayweather.

He can do what he wants. That doesn't seem fair. How could that be? How is that possible? It's when you're undefeated. Why do I remember that, though? It's when you own Nevada. Like, when you are, you know, the amount of money that he brings in.

Right. What does it say? What does it say? Roll it back there. Vargas. Vargas barred from drinking Gatorade. Fernando? Is that Fernando Vargas? What year is this?

Oh, 2006. Damn, Fernando Vargas was still fighting in 2006. Interesting. He was banned from drinking Gatorade in his corner between rounds. Middleweight rematch against Shane Mosley. Junior middleweight.

Yeah, Vargas takes a lot of leg kicks. Pull up of Gatorade and Floyd Middletown. It didn't come out? Maybe Joe Schilling just made that shit up. Oh, nobody. Joe Schilling doesn't trust your Googling skills, Jamie. He's on

his phone. I'm going to go to YouTube and find the video. I don't know if they got fact-checked, but look. Oh, Vargas just... Purple water. Front kicked him find the video. I don't know if they got fact-checked, but look. Oh, Vargas just purple water. Front kicked him in the face. It happened, but I'm trying to find the pictures of it or something. When that Vargas thing came up, that reminded me of something I brought up to you earlier, Rogan. My favorite fight from back then, I think you will like this one.

Makako versus Pele. Oh, yeah, man. The first one. Dude, old school. Old school. Do you remember when Pele fought Chuck? Pele fought Chuck Liddell, and they fought in one of those rings with the ropes. The net at the bottom.

With the net at the bottom. Yeah, remember that shit? Yeah, with no gloves. No gloves. Yeah, old school.. No gloves. Yeah. Old school. Floyd Mayweather versus Manny Pacquiao. Was it then?

Yeah. It was like a recent fight that I noticed it. Gatorade in between rounds must be nice to own Nevada State Athletic Commission. Oh, Michael Chiesa. Michael Chiesa, UFC fighter, put that up there. Oh, really? Yeah. What is that? How the fuck does he have Gatorade?

Okay. Hmm. Look at that. All those MMA fighters commenting. Michael Page commented on Floyd Mayweather fight. Really? Interesting. What do you think about this upcoming Kovalev-Andre Ward fight?

Andre Ward. You think so? Yeah. Really? I think Andre Ward's... He's a bad motherfucker, but Kovalev's a big guy. Yeah. I just think he's just...

I think pound for pound is... It's got to be Andre Ward. He's just so smart. These guys are going off. Varga's making a comeback here a little bit. Another one? Floyd Mayweather, the money team might be the only corner I've ever seen allowed to drink Gatorade during a fight. Aljamain Sterling, another MMA fighter.

All us peasants are demoted to water. Mayweather-Burto, that was a different fight. See, all of us see it And we're watching Like what the fuck I never got to drink Gatorade Mike Dolce Can someone please explain

Why Floyd Mayweather Can drink Gatorade During the fight And the Vastay Athletic Commission Threatens to suspend us For anything but unsealed water Interesting Interesting

I wonder what that was about They were just so happy He was making them so much money Yeah he makes them so much money Just such a smart guy In terms of Like his style Was never

The kind of style That would make a bunch of people Come out to see him fight But All that shit talking Made all those people Want to come see him lose It's weird though

Cause some I mean some of his fights You see His offense I think about Kodo Think about Zab Judah it's weird though cause some I mean some of his fights you see his offense um I think about um Kodo

think about um Zab Judah Zab Judah Victor Ortiz but that was the weird one Angel not

fuck Angel Manfredi not Angel Manfredi um was it Angel Manfredi Manfredo Manfredo yeah I don't remember.

They're giving him fucking Gatorade. That is fucking Gatorade. They are opening up a goddamn Gatorade. It's a purple drink. It's a purple drink. That is crazy. His dad's giving him Gatorade. That's so illegal.

Wow. How the fuck did they get away with that? Amazing. That's so illegal. Wow. How the fuck did they get away with that? Amazing. That's amazing. That's some Panama Lewis shit right there. Yeah, I was just thinking that. I was trying to think of my answer. What was the one?

Give me the other bottle. Yeah, the one I made. The one I mixed. Yeah. All of a sudden, he's... Aaron Pryor. Alexis Arguello. Yeah, man.

Oh, Bruce Mullen with a nasty left hook to the body there. Oh, shit. Another uppercut. When I first joined ATT, Panama Lewis was in there sometimes. Oh, really? Yeah. Was it like being the ex of the devil? Because people don't remember the Billy Costello fight.

Do you remember that fight? Ugh. No. Louis Resto was a fighter who fought this kid I think his name was Billy Costello Jr and uh he was a real promising

up and coming fighter and Louis Resto was a good boxer but not like a knockout boxer whereas Collins was a big knockout boxer so uh

Louis Resto beats the shit out of Collins that's when he took the stuff out of the glove exactly and the dad grabbed the glove

and felt it the dad the dad suspected it and And the dad grabbed the glove and felt it. The dad suspected it. And after the fight, he grabbed ahold of Resto's gloves and Resto pulled away and there was no stuffing in the glove. He had just basically had hand wraps on and just bare knuckle beat the shit out of him. And it fucked Collins up so bad that Collins' eyes, he lost his vision and he lost his ability to fight. And so after that fight he became a

raging alcoholic and wound up committing suicide. Drove into a tree. I remember that. I saw that documentary. That was a really good documentary. Look at this. Water and electrolyte drinks are allowed in the corner. Any electrolyte drink must be brought to the arena in factory sealed plastic bottles.

Moreover, a contestant must provide the commission and its staff with any information about the request to drink in sufficient time to make a determination as to whether the drink is approvable. Example, no stimulants, alcohol, drugs, or questionable ingredients. Examples of electrolyte drinks that have been approved include Pedialyte, vitamin water, smart water, option Gatorade, Powerade, and Propel. Unless you're an MMA fighter. Is that true?

I mean... Is that what it is? This is on the boxing specific... Boxing.envy.com. Oh, does boxing have different... Is that Nevada? Yeah. So boxing has different rules? Is that what it is? What are you looking for, brother? They have different weight classes.

Is that possible that boxing has different rules? Do you want a real joint instead of that dirty roach? I'm like, well, I'm going to smoke one of the fucking... What's his name? Fuck, that's delicious. Take a real one. Wow, man, that is... That's crazy.

Did they stop the fight Where we were talking shit But it was that the fifth round I thought it did go into the fifth But I don't remember I do remember seeing a four He's so gross that we said So clueless

Who's that? What's that gentleman's name? John Franklin. He's the glory promoter. Supposed to be the promoter. The face of the thing. So what happened here? We were talking so much shit about Gatorade.

We missed the ending of this awesome fight. What a night. Boom. Boom. Boom. Vargas is really impressive, though. He is. He just let him get too close, man.

Yeah. I remember him fighting on the lion fight cards with me coming up and then uh he fought uh uh he's uh watching him come up him and um joe valtellini were on the on the same cards like his me coming up at the same time with uh in california so seeing these guys he's gotten really good and he's really technical he watches he always gets his hands coming right back just robin vendrews model is just a super high level it's a gorilla it's weird how how when the canadians are good at muay thai they're really good yeah like i just feel like there's not going to be thai people or really good thai fighters Thai fighters in Canada because it's cold.

Who wants to go there? There's some really, really good. No, I'm serious. There's Mexicans in Canada. People go where they can make a living, man. There's Jamaicans in Canada. Can we talk about this? There's Jamaicans in Canada.

I was shocked. I remember when I fought Simonon we had uh it was like the most uh talked about fight muay thai fight in the u.s i'm pretty sure it still is and uh we both started sending these videos back and forth like talking shit and like really this is the first conor mcgregor chael sun and type thing anybody done. And it was a big part of my career. And we sold out the hard rock at the Lion Fight, which was like, I think the Lion Fight's biggest gates or whatever have been all three of my fights. And two of them were with Simon. So we're talking shit back and forth. And he's like, speaks with like a Jamaican accent.

But I'm thinking he's Canadian. And I'm like, oh, it's with fake motherfucker. Like, oh oh you're like have you know faker accent blah blah and uh i'm like what you're one of like two jamaican people in canada and apparently there's a huge jamaican community in canada i had no idea god there's a lot of bahamians in canada i have no idea so the commonwealth nations the bahamas is a commonwealth nation and most of the Caribbean is. But I can move to Canada right now.

Oh, that's cool. I can move to Canada. I can live there for a long time. I still have to get citizenship or get paperwork done. But when the UFC goes to Canada and everybody has to get a visa, things like that, I don't have to do that. Huh. Interesting. I can just go there and work.

That's interesting. But do you have U.S. citizenship? No. You have a green card? Yes. So they can kick you out of America if you talk shit about Donald Trump or something like that? Yeah, they could. Get out of our country.

You don't like our new king. He's pretty fucking close to being the new king, too. That's so scary. Just a couple WikiLeaks dumps that reveal more shit about Hillary Clinton. People jump ship. So I do a podcast on Sherdog, and I did one with Nick Lentz. What's it called? Plug it.

The Neutral Corner. So I did one with Nick Lentz, and Lentz is all about, what do you call it, about Donald Trump. Nick Lentz's? Yeah. Really? Yeah. He loves Donald Trump. He doesn't love Donald Trump.

He's not like, Donald Trump, yay! But he's so anti-Hillary that he's like, Donald Trump, and this guy's fighting the establishment. That's the way to go. It's hard not to feel that way. I mean, I think I'm just going to write in Bernie, to be honest with you. Yeah, I think...

I don't even know if it's going to count, but I would still rather write in Bernie. And I was talking to my friends about this, and it's because I don't, I fucking hate both of them, but I can't figure out which one I hate more. And if I did figure out which one I hated more, I don't trust that one not to make me regret voting for them

either way. You know what I mean? Like you're screwed either way. Well, it's such a problem having someone, either one of them, right, is a problem. But it's a problem having someone who is outside of the system. They'd have to step inside of the system and try to figure out how to make things happen.

Like, I wonder how much... It would be interesting to see if Donald Trump won just based on what happens when someone's a complete political outsider and they get to a position where they're running for president. Like, Obama was an insider. He had already been deeply entrenched in the system. Hillary's obviously an insider.

What the fuck would have happened if Bernie Sanders got in? What would happen if Donald Trump gets in? If someone who's really pretty independent, you know? Yeah, it's one of those things you have no idea because is the Senate and the Congress going to stand behind them? Yeah. Are they going to be able to pass laws? Trump says crazy shit. He says so much shit about what he would do if he was president and Hillary would be in jail.

You're not the law. You can't just lock her up, man. There's a reason why we have this whole system in place. You can't just circumvent that now that you're the law. You can't just lock her up, man. There's a reason why we have this whole system in place. You can't just circumvent that now that you're the king. It doesn't give you ultimate power, but his perception of it or the way he talks about it is that if he got in, he would have that ultimate power. That's disturbing. It is disturbing, but it's more disturbing to me because you see guys like Rudy Giuliani and he's supporting this bill to get people that are on the terrorist watch list to have to wear ankle bracelets. Right.

So you didn't commit a crime. You're just on a watch list. But you are being treated like a prisoner. Rudy Giuliani is was trying. I don't know if he's still if that bill is still trying to push forward. But Rudy Giuliani was trying to push this thing forward a couple of months ago. What exactly is the fucking terrorist watch list? And like, how crazy is it they have a list

and you're on the list, but you're not totally a criminal, but we think you might be a fucking criminal. So we're going to write you down. You're on the naughty list. And Santa's not happy with you. I don't know. I feel like you get kicked off a plane and you're gonna get on the fucking terrorist watch list or you could if you if you go and you look at the terrorist watch list and you read the names that are on there

by the time you get to the end your name should be on there that's that's that's that's i mean that's how they work the terrorist anybody can be can be on there. Mohamed Lawal was on there. Yeah. Because his name is Mohamed Lawal. Yeah. King Moe. King Moe. Yeah.

Well, there was a woman, I believe, who was a Green Party candidate who was on the terrorist watch list. Or at least she was on the no-fly list. Yeah. The no-fly list is funky. Like, they just put you on the no fly list like hey wait a minute i can't fly but i can take buses what can i get on a train what about a boat can i get on a boat can i fly myself can i go out in public yeah what the fuck is that a no fly list hold on man like if you're not gonna arrest someone for something

like how the fuck can you keep them from going places you can keep them from flying that seems so weird you can't fly because we're afraid you're not gonna come back like you're like no man you're gonna be when you're on it yeah well planes are connected to terror right especially now because of 9-11. Yep. You can't break them away from terror. It's planes and terror. They go hand in hand.

One of the ways to stop. Livestream has ended. Thank you for watching. What? How's that possible? The main event is supposed to start at 6. That's in 15 minutes. Oh.

Is that on this or is that on ESPN3? So did we sit through the, was that the prelims? Yeah, it was like the Super Fight Series, what they called it. Oh, so there's another thing? Damn. There's still four more fights, I think. Oh, my goodness. I know.

I was like, I. It's being broadcast on ESPN3, which is like their internet thing. So can we watch this? On here, too. It should be. I'm pretty sure, but maybe not. Oh, no. It better be on here. We still got 10 minutes.

But I don't think we have ESPN 3, dude. Do we? We can get it. It's their web thing. So if you have ESPN you can just get it online. Oh. Varga's Corner stopped it between rounds. Yeah.

Thanks for bringing that up. Okay, it says Varga versus Van Roosmalen, but it doesn't say... It doesn't say anything else. Oh, yeah, so it says main event is on ESPN3. Okay, how do we do that? Can you do that? Can you do that for us? Yeah, I think so.

Beautiful. Oh, that's interesting, man. So, essentially, it's just like the UFC. The UFC has those FS1 and they have the fight pass ones and they have the FS1 fights. It's just like that. So it's just the prelims.

Let me see that. Best one fights. Just like that. So it's just the prelims. Powerful young James, he's going to sort it out. Eve Edwards, you're a really good analyst. I just want to tell you, I really enjoy your analysis. You're great on the mic.

You're really humble for a guy who's fought as much as you fought, too. You don't bring yourself into it too much. And if you do, it's like really succinct and important. Like you do an awesome job. Thank you, man. I was going to try to not be humble when you said that. Say something smart ass, but I couldn't. I was kind of blown away for you by you saying that.

So thanks. You're really good, man. You have a really good insight too. Obviously, you were a very intelligent fighter when you're competing you're very creative and you know you had a very uh a good uh high fight iq you're very aware of what's going on at any point in time i think that that intelligent style of uh your fighting makes for a really good analyst because you um you're not know, you weren't a guy who tried to overwhelm anybody with power or aggression or any, you were, you were laying traps and setting people up and using really clean technique. And I find, you know, like I said,

Vandalite, probably one of my all time favorite guys to watch because you see it was pure chaos. But I find that people like yourself oftentimes make really good analysts because like you're a guy who was like looking at fighting and whether it's mma stand up on the ground whatever it was you're looking at it at this very analytical level it's for me it's like asking questions that's um one of my boxing coaches kenny weldon used to say that when i fought aaron the second time he watched the fight after the fact and he was like it's like so what do you think kenny goes that kid has a lot of questions it's like what do you mean he has a lot of questions he's like every time you do something you're asking him a question and then i'm sorry every time he does something he's asking you a question and you're answering him with i'm gonna

do this and what are you gonna do about what i'm doing and he does something, he's asking you a question, and you're answering him with, I'm going to do this. And what are you going to do about what I'm doing? And he's just asking me, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? So he's like, he's saying he's asking all the questions, but he has no answers. So he's asking me questions, I'm giving him answers. And I think that's kind of how I watch fights or how I fought. I would try to do something and see what you're doing because of that.

You know, you kind of play with that and feel it. And that's how I watch fights or how I fought. I would try to do something and see what you're doing because of that. You kind of play with that and feel it. And that's how I watch other people fight. When I watch guys fight, I'm like, what is he doing? Why is he doing that? Is he trying to set something up? Is this guy going to react? How is that guy going to react to that? What's he going to do about him?

What's he going to do about his strengths? He knows he's coming in with these strengths. So how is he going to try to take those things away? Or is he just going to try and impose his own strengths? For me, that's what fighting is. It's making yourself as comfortable as you can be at all times while making the other guy as uncomfortable as he can be. For me, that's what I try to look at,

and I try to see if guys play like that. How are they going to play that game? Yeah, that completely makes sense that you had that kind of style with that approach. You know, I just always admired the way you would set things up. You always had a real technical style, which, like I said, I admire Chaos, too. I admire those Melvin Manhoef dudes, too. You know, I admire Vandele, like,lei maybe more than anybody just because he was so wild to watch. But I find that for analysis, like Dominic Cruz is another guy I think knocks it out of the park.

Because he's so smart in his assessment of risk and reward and putting yourself in a position where your opponent doesn't exactly know what you're going to do, but you know how he's going to react. Because you have this awkward style that you've seen other people react to for a long time. But for them, it's like this new thing. They're standing in front of this guy who's switching stances and bouncing and moving up and down and back and forth. And you're not exactly sure what the fuck he's doing. But he knows what you're going to do. Because he's so used to doing it to regular people. Everybody who stands like certain guys, they have that Muay Thai style.

And God, there's so much that they're giving a guy in that situation. And when you've got a guy like Dominic Cruz, he's not predictable at all. He's flipping stances and moving around and throwing punches from these weird fucking angles where you would swear he's doing it wrong. Right? Yeah. For me, I always look at the way someone explains something to me as the easiest way to explain it.

And Ben Askren, Tyron said, Ben likes to cause scrambles. Right? That's what Dom does. He's causing scrambles on the feet. Because he's not in a traditional position. He's not coming at you like everybody else does. So what he's doing is initiating a scramble right away. When you get a guy on top of you like RDA, and he's good at establishing position,

if you can create a scramble, then you have a better chance of getting out than if you then if you just try to use basic technique and dominic is comfortable in those scrambles he he's been in them so many times when you react you have like three or four reactions but he has like 22 wow damn you know who did a great breakdown? Kierke from the underground. Kierke Genesis. See if you can find that. He put it up today. He put up an article breaking down all the

variables of Dominic Cruz's footwork. Really interesting stuff. Until you see it as a list. All the different things he does. Kierke did an awesome job of just sort of. Like all the different things he does. And Kierke did an awesome job of just sort of breaking down all the different things in his fights.

And it just makes you realize, like, wow, that guy's got a lot of options, man. Like someone was, I think it was Ludwig was saying that he doesn't think he has good technique. I'm like, how can you say that, though? Because he lands so many punches. Like, how can you say it?

Like, it might not look like everybody else's, but God damn, it's working. I mean, it works. It's crazy how effective it is. See, this is all the stuff that Kirk wrote down, all the different stuff that Dominic does. Pretty interesting, right? Yep.

Neo footwork is what people are calling it, right? It's like TJ Dillashishaw style he's got a very interesting style too and uh i uh i hit pads with duane recently duane showed me some stuff and one of the things he's doing is all these switch stances he's doing like these you're switching and throwing punches as you're switching he's got a lot of this switch stance stuff that he's really incorporating into these combinations And you see a lot from TJ I mean TJ is as comfortable from a southpaw as he is from an Orthodox and he's doing a lot of these

Switch moves like they're they're hitting pads with these and they're very confusing You know So remember when when I said I don't like that style at Genki pseudo style So remember when I said I don't like that style, that Genki Sudo style? Mm-hmm. Because, not because, but Dominic's style, that style, I think, is the style to beat that. The reason I say that is because the way Dominic is approaching it, he's approaching it from an educated, I would say more educated educated more studious place these guys are approaching it from trying to get you to buy the wolf ticket you know so they're they're giving you these weird looks

because that's going to make you get off balance get stand there for them be the guy that's just the target but dom is giving you these looks from a fighting perspective. He's always in position to fight. Those guys, when you're breakdancing, sometimes you're not in position to react. Dom is always in position to react. And that's why I think that style is the style that beats the other style 10 out of 10 times. What's really interesting is I don't recall anybody before Dominic Cruz doing it like that. I really don't. It's a lot of what, I mean, it's limited, but Muhammad Ali did a lot of things like that with his boxing. You know? Yeah. The rope-a-dope and his footwork. That's a part of it.

That's a part of what Dom does. But Dom does it for MMA. So he has to be aware of the kicks, tie-ups and clinches. I mean, how many times do you see guys press Dom on the fence Yeah, almost never never very rarely You know, the real super fight is him and mighty mouse. That's the real super fight Yeah, but I mean we saw it you did see it, but we saw it. I think mighty mouse is far better Yeah, I really do but he's so much smaller. So much smaller.

That's a fact. It is a fact. I mean, he's got to be comfortable fighting 135 when he was always so much smaller than those 135-pound guys. But from the, I think it was the Ian McCall fight on, when Ian McCall took his back and battered him, he's talked about it like that was like the big shifting point where he just realized like um that he's really got to be dedicated he can't he can't fuck this up anymore he can't have a full-time job he can't be taking beatings like that and that it was more of the fact that he wasn't putting the time in versus him not having the ability so he knew he could

fight better than that and so then you see him from that fight on slowly emerge as i mean at this point pretty much the consensus pound for pound best fighter in the world especially now that john doesn't have a license john was the other guy that was in the the mix for that but i think mighty mouse takes less damage is destroying more guys more you know in more of a crazy technical impressive fashion like when he stopped so hudo i mean that was a work of art man the clinch work and those knees to the body that was as good as i've ever seen anybody beat anybody you know i mean that was just stunning yeah that's that's the highest level of mixed martial arts his defense too like when he went to the ground when suhudo took him to the ground he's got butterflies in he's moving

he gets back up to his feet i mean some high level shit man and he hurt suhudo to the body which is why suhudo took him down super super high level so so the reason i the reason i think a guy like that gets that good especially so quick is because he doesn't have a favorite part he doesn't have like he loves the whole thing you know you know you know those guys that they're good strikers and they love striking so that's what they want to do all the time like no he works on everything because for his offense to be as good and his defense to be just as good a lot of guys just want to be offensive. Guys just want to win in the gym. Guys want to get on top and they want to stay there and they want to control.

So when those guys get put on their back, they don't really know what to do. Or they have a much harder time escaping or transitioning out of that position. But not a guy like that. Those are the best guys in the world. You look at DJ, you look at Dom. I mean, even Conor, right? The Nate fight is a bad example because that was the first time he was in a fight in the UFC and he didn't like it. The second time he did better, but the same thing with Chad.

The little bit of a fight he was in with Mendes when he was on his back, he did some work, got back to his feet. He wasn't so uncomfortable with a dominant wrestler like that on top that he wasn't going to be able to get back up yeah well Conor is is definitely evolving you know you could definitely tell that he's uh did like especially his approach to the second Nate Diaz fight he fought that fight very smart. And he survived some moments where it looks like he was gassing out. Or at least he got that opportunity to reset. If he wasn't gassing out, he's definitely diminished.

But he managed it. He managed it much better than the first time. Because, I mean, when he got in trouble that first time, he did try to change the game. But when it wasn't in his favor, it was like, I kind of want out of here. I mean, as a fighter, I look at that that and i'm like his spirit kind of broke there but he asked for that fight again then he did it again and he did run into some trouble and he improved he fought through

it the second time he didn't he wasn't like oh this is a real fight now i i gotta get out of here no he was like i'm staying right here so I'm excited to see that Conor fight Eddie because, I mean, yeah, Nate is the same kind of guy. He's not going to worry about those kind of things. But, like, Eddie is a different beast. Eddie is that Philly beast. He's a savage. So I want to see them get into a fight. Yeah, that could easily happen, too.

That could easily happen. Eddie Alvarez is a fucking savage. Yeah. He really is. You watch that Rafael Dos Anjos stoppage? Holy shit. The combination he hit him with, I mean, and the sheer amount of punches he threw, the barrage that it took to put him away.

I mean, he had some fucking serious endurance to press the pacerage that it took to put him away i mean he had some fucking serious endurance to press the pace like that that's the one thing that connor has been struggling with right yeah yeah with that pace and endurance and and eddie has the power to put that pace on him when when nate gets him tired or gets him hurt on his feet he He's got that power. He's not as dynamic. He's a very strong guy, too. Like, he's a very strong guy for 155. I'm looking forward to that, too. Yeah, I'm curious, actually, to see what Conor looks like at 55.

Because, right, we haven't seen him there in the UFC. We've seen 45, and then we've seen him cut no weight and weigh, like, 169. I think he weighed against Nate. It would be interesting to see what does Conor look like when he's at 155. I mean, that might be the perfect weight for him. It's entirely possible we might see a better McGregor at 155. I think that's the deepest division.

I think it has been for the longest time. And if anybody dominates that division like rda did it for a little he looked dominant for a little bit um even coming up to the title fight he looked like he was going to hold on to that for a while um but everybody there's so close everybody that weight class is so close so if somebody does it but what about nurmagomedov because habib ragdolled everybody he's gotten in there with. That's the one guy you can't say he's close with because everybody he's got a hold of,

he's beaten the fuck out of. That guy's special. Nurmagomedov is special. That's true. I like that guy because what you said, he's special, right? And when you see that special thing, then I guess people kind of get lost in the void. When everybody's close to being just as good as each other,

then you kind of just fight to get just a little bit better than the other guy, just a little bit better than the other. I just got to be better than him. But then when you get the Jon Jones that comes into the arena and he leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else, then you realize there's a bigger gap and guys start closing that, right? Like Alexander Gustafson.

I mean, he always fights at that level, especially when he's in a title fight. But I don't know if John Jones didn't exist, if he would rise to that occasion. You know what I mean? So somebody's got to show up in the lightweight division at some point like that to to make people raise their level because guys right now which is the deepest and toughest

division but guys are so close and maybe namaga madoff is that guy hmm well he certainly has been in when it comes to grappling like what he did to dos anjos was was pretty stunning you know because i was like man dos anjos is a legit brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt super strong guy really good on the ground and it just seemed like nurmagomedov just got a hold of him and just did whatever the fuck he wanted to once he got him on the ground just throws dudes around it's almost like he's built different but he doesn't you know like if gleason t Tebow was doing that to dudes I'd go I that makes sense look at that fucking guy but when Nurmagomedov does it it's not necessarily just some overwhelming physical attribute it's his technique and his aggression just just super fucking aggressive

and tight with his grappling and his positioning his ground and pound is horrific. He's a scary dude, man. Yeah, he doesn't even have to think about the way he does those moves. I remember when you said that and when you say ragdolling people and RDA. RDA took that shot on him. I think he was in the third. And he hit him with an uchimata, basically. From the overhook whizzer and tripped him, forcing it. And that's not an easy throw to hit.

And especially from that range, it didn that's not an easy throw to hit. And especially from that range, it didn't look like it was going to happen. But he does it to the guy who goes on to become the world champion that way and then dominates other guys at that weight class. Yeah, like that guy is special, man. I want to see him improve his stand-up and just get better. I want to see him do things like DJ is, you know, just working on his weaknesses. Because, I mean, that guy

would never lose. Imagine if he had DJ's MMA IQ and skill set, but with his wrestling and ground is now. Like, who's beating that guy? I would send that guy to fight wars for me.

Yeah, man. Like, who's beating that guy? I would send that guy to fight wars for me. Yeah, man. Look, he ragdolls dudes in a very unusual way. Every now and then, a guy will come up like that, that can do that. And he does it with, like, this intensity and aggression. Like, Damian Maia ragdolls a lot of people, too. Especially lately. He gets

a hold of guys like he did with Rick Story, but he's doing it in this technical, squeezy way. When Nurmagomedov gets a hold of dudes, it's just smash. Everything is smash. He's driving you into the ground and smashing you into the ground and smashing when you're on top of you. Damian Maya is just constricting. He's moving into position, and he's slowly closing you off, and he's going to choke you. It's a totally different kind of domination.

But then I don't know if it's entirely the fairest comparison because Damian obviously fought a much longer career, and he fought at 185, and he fought against Anderson. He got knocked out by Nate. He's had a lot of ups and downs in the UFC. Jake Shields beat him. People forget that. Jake Shields essentially out-grappled him.

But Nurmagomedov, good luck. Good luck out-grappling that dude. Good luck. But what's his takedown percentage like, too? It's probably a million percent. I mean, he takes down everybody. But the other thing about Nurirma gamedov is um uh that he gets injured a lot yeah and you gotta wonder is it because of that insane

fucking aggressive style of his that's so makes it so fun to watch him is that like you're kind of redlining your body too much probably yeah right yeah yeah i mean you gotta rest right you gotta heal up you can't always be on yeah but i mean can a guy like a damian maya who trains very technically i mean obviously he wrestles and he does like a lot of chaotic movements as well but probably not nearly with the kind of intensity that nurmagomedov does. You got to wonder, like, that style is obviously super effective and very fucking devastating and fun to watch, but I wonder if preparing for that style and executing that style

is almost like ultimately too much on your joints, too much on your body. I guess the question would be, then, is can he be normagomedov without that style right like does he have the skill to translate that to slowing it down and and and turning the volume down isn't that what you always wonder about when a fighter gets injured when someone blows a knee out or something like that that and and and the situation they're training in i mean you know you go into a boxing gym to this day you go into a boxing gym and it's sparring day you go up to wild card sparring day and there's only two guys in the ring there's only the two guys that are punching each other in the ring you go to an mma gym and on the mat there's you and i are working

but then joe and and someone else are working over here, and that guy tries to take Joe down, and he runs into my heel. That does happen all the time. It's the worst. I think that happened to Rashad Evans. I think that's how he didn't fight against Shogun for the title. I believe that's what happened. Wasn't that what happened to Dominic? Did it happen to him as well?

I wouldn't doubt it. God, it's so common. It's crazy because that would be way more safe in boxing, and they don do it in boxing like in boxing would be way more safe right it'll be much less likely you're gonna collide into people takedowns yeah kicks flying the takedowns especially because you know like as well as i do if two guys are going at it one guy's defending and the other guys are like really insistent they could go all the way across the fucking gym yep everybody's seen it and everybody's like whoa whoa whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, man. Well, that, and now you have all these takedown wet marks all over the mat and you have just

these puddles. Exactly. That's like, it's. That fucks kickboxing up hardcore. Yeah. Those, remember when they used to have fights where the mat would have like some sort of a, some logo on it and they, before they figured out how to do that right those things would be wet as fuck from the sweat and they would become like ice skating and you just throw a kick

and go flying through the air i fought at that um king of the cage wet and wild you did that's right you did holy shit tell people about that because that I think, to this day, is one of the all-time legendary fight cards. Do you know about King of the Cage Wet and Wild? Even. Schoolist, man. So it was a King of the Cage event. And we're supposed to fight outside at Suboba Casino, maybe? Is it Suboba?

Is that where King of the Cage is at? Oh, I don't remember. But it was a Native American casino. I remember that. And we're fighting outside King all the king of the cage events were outside, but it starts raining and Everybody's everybody's ready to fight. They still ready to put on the show King of the cage you could wear shoes and kick so basically

We went out there and fought in the rain on a vinyl mat It was even was You fought Jeremy Williams? I think I might have seen this. You fought the Jeremy... Was that the same Jeremy Williams that went on to fight Nate Diaz? Or Nick Diaz? Is that the same guy? I think so.

The guy was on The Ultimate Fighter? Is that who I'm thinking of? No. I'm thinking of the wrong guy. I am. I'm thinking of the wrong guy. The Jeremy Williams is the guy that committed suicide.

Oh, damn. That's right. I knew that guy. There's another Jeremy Williams who was the light heavyweight guy, right? Yeah. Oh, that's right. He was a good dude, man. That was a bummer for a lot of people when that happened.

I didn't really know him. We kind of stayed in touch, of course, and see each other at other events and whatnot. I had no beef with him, so we would keep talking um he always seemed like a nice guy man he was friends with uh chris brennan yeah that's who met him with chris brennan yeah and chris brennan who's always been a really good dude yeah that was a good friend of his and i remember that was a that was a big bummer when that guy killed himself fucking depression man dun Duncan Trussell explained depression really good yesterday. He was saying, you know, imagine what it's like if you like did just did a lot of ecstasy. And you know, that feeling if you've ever done ecstasy the next day where your head is like,

fuck this, what did I do? Oh my God, my brain's dry. I feel like shit, but you can get through it because you know it's not gonna last but he said like imagine going through that for 10 years you know imagine that feeling that's your reality every day for 10 years it sounds miserable i don't know what x is like but it's not good well it's good when you're on it when you're're off, it's not good. It's, I only did it once and I loved it, but I was like, that is not worth. The juice is not worth the squeeze to me at least.

It's a, but also I wasn't taking five HTP. Apparently if you take five HTP right afterwards, it helps your brain rebuild. After you take X, after you wake up, after you take it, I think you're supposed to take it like in the middle of it.

So that when you come out of it, your body's already starting to crank up its production. That might be completely unscientific, though. But I do know that 5-HTP is supposed to help you. So I've got to get me some X and I've got to get 5-HTP. I mean, and that's obviously not the best description of depression either. Sometimes people's depression is social. Sometimes it's from life events. You know, who knows?

Who knows what's causing someone to feel like shit. That guy was a good dude. Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy. I'm thinking of a different guy i'm thinking of the guy who fought nick diaz he was the first guy to stop nick diaz and then he was on his name was jeremy but i don't think it was williams can you uh i think it was jeremy williams what what um nicks talked about him and i didn't is that his name i didn't i couldn't picture him um the um all season the ultimate Fighter that Nick Diaz was on.

I think I have seen him. I mean, Jeremy Jones. Jeremy Jackson. Jeremy Jackson. Jeremy Jackson, that's right. Was it Nate Diaz? Nate Diaz is here? It was Nick.

It wasn't Nick. No, Nick fought him. But Nick wasn't on The Ultimate Fighter. Nate was on The Ultimate Fighter. Nate was on The Ultimate Fighter. Yeah. But was he on with him? No, it was in the UFC.

It was just in the UFC. Jeremy was on The Ultimate Fighter. Yeah. Was he on with him? No, it was in the UFC. It was just in the UFC. Jeremy was on the ultimate fighter. Nick fought him in the UFC, but Nick had fought him before. Right. This is it. This is the fight. Nick Diaz versus Jeremy Jackson at IFC Warriors Challenge 18. Wow, what year was that? Play that shit. That was his

claim to fame on the show that him and Nick Diaz had that beef. That was his claim to fame on the show that him and Nick Diaz had that beef. Jeremy Jackson. That's who it is. Jeremy Jackson had nasty hands, man. He was a really good boxer. Yeah, I asked Nick one time I asked Nick one time who was the hardest to ever hit him.

He said, he didn't say who hit him the hardest, he just said that Jeremy Jackson hit hard as fuck. See, if you watch his striking here, he was good, man. Yeah, he was a clean boxer. And they were both super young. I think Nick was 18, if I remember right. He was close to it, at least. I think they were both pretty young here, man.

And then Nick went on to, I think Nick beat him by submission and beat him by decision. Did he fight him three times? I think they had a trilogy. I think Nick won them all, though. No, I think Jeremy stopped him. Huh. I think he stopped him in this fight. I think this was the first fight that Nick ever lost.

I think this is actually the only time the Nick had ever been stopped Man I had heard some crazy rumor that I'd hoped was true that they were gonna try to set up Nick versus Connor I'm like my god that would break the world Do you know how like insane the hype would be for a Nick Diaz versus Conor McGregor fight? I mean, can we even do you even imagine how crazy that would be? That would be like the sequel to oh my god. Yeah a much better bigger. Oh my god Avengers movie Could you imagine if they do that? I? Mean look the thing is though Nick is never making 155 again he's just not

he's way too big he could do it do you think he could do it he could absolutely do it he's not that big oh man he looks I mean he doesn't look small

I mean he's gonna have to lose a significant amount of body weight nah he's only made 160 I don't think he's ever made 55 I don't think he's ever made 165 I think he fought 55 at the UFC

I think he fought 55 against Diego Sanchez yeah um I think Nate I think he fought 55 at the UFC. I think he fought 55 against Diego Sanchez. Nate? I think he could. Nick? I don't think Nick has ever fought at 55. Really? Yeah, Nick fought at 55.

Really? Yeah. Nick fought at 55. I believe he fought Gomi at 55. Or did he fight him at 60? He fought Gomi at 60. 60. That was pride.

What a fight that was. Oh, my goodness. That was crazy. That was when Gomi was G that was. Oh, my goodness. That was crazy. That was when Gomi was Gomi, too. Gomi was just knocking dudes dead. And Nick took some bombs. He had that big-ass cut on his cheek, and he locked up that go-go plata. He fought a lot of, when we were training for the Anderson fight, I was looking over his record.

He's fought a lot of hitters in their fucking prime. Oh, yeah. He was knocking the fuck out of people. They were like let's match him up that was nick's opponent do you remember when nick knocked out robbie lawler so we were in the same locker room that night nick and i and um he was hitting pads with my with his coach and he was he was being nick he's back the hitting pads this is early when he was boxing so his He was back to hitting pads. This was early when he was boxing. So his boxing has gotten much better over time.

But he was hitting pads. It didn't look awesome. And he was just, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out. Yeah, that's right. Just pumping himself up in the back, talking about how he's going to knock Robbie out and do all this shit. And I was just like, he ain't knocking out nothing. Not with those punches. And then he went out there

and knocked him out with a jab well it was kind of like a little like a hook like a short long hook yeah

with the lead so yeah short long hook with the lead yeah it was like a straight arm but it was like a little pop to it

I was I was taken aback dude he was talking so much shit before that fight. To this day, I've said that was one of the most interesting things that I've seen as a commentator. There's reactions that people have to certain things. Sometimes it's psychological shit.

Sometimes there's these crazy moments where people like Ronda Rousey got in Holly Holmes' face. And it was like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck is going on? There's moments where you see in fights where you can I mean don't you feel like that there's yeah there are times when shit like that happens where you just see that someone you see it you see who they

really are for a split second yeah but you see you see these there's these weird moments when you see someone affected by shit talking and Nick got into the cage with Robbie Lawler, and he starts going, Stockton, motherfucker! Stockton, motherfucker! And Robbie Lawler's like, what is going on here?

Because Robbie's a pretty mellow dude. Robbie's super violent, and a lot of people think he's the boogeyman. People are scared of Robbie because he's so violent. I mean, he's an incredibly aggressive fighter. Bad motherfucker, right? But you could see Robbie was like, what is going on here? This dude is yelling Stockton motherfucker and 209, bitch. I never knew that.

And then he's standing in front of him. He's going, what, bitch? What, bitch? What you going to do, bitch? What you going to do, bitch? And he's like talking all this crazy shit to him while he's hitting him. And you could see, like, the effect it was happening. Like, you could see Nick. They were both, okay okay look at the age there nick was only 20 man people forget

how fucking young he was when he was fighting at a really high look how beautiful bruce buffer is like he went into a time machine and um nick came out and from the moment the fight started, he was just talking mad shit. He's pretty yoked, man. He had that one giant advantage, not just, like, being tough and being crazy. Like, those were good. He had a real good ground game that people would sleep on. That was big, too.

But his fucking pace, man. His endurance. His endurance is insane and his pace is constant it never breaks yeah there's no no rest and it's incredible how quickly would sap guys well you could see it just drain them what's like i think like where i was at 20 like what i was into at 20 and like at 20 he's like that he's that kid that was on like the cross-country team yeah and swim team in the summertime and you him and his brother go mountain biking all day long as kids you know yeah and he's fighting at that high level impressive yeah yeah man his uh his extreme endurance and his participation in triathlete events and you know

he's done iron mans i think and i know he's i think he corrected me i said on a podcast once that he had swam back and forth from uh alcatraz twice he said five times he's done it five times dude i swear he was making fun of me I swear to God he was making fun of me like a week ago or two weeks ago we were talking about this and he's like nice Nate's never done the trap never done Alcatraz I've done it like four times five times look he's talking to him he's like what bitch what bitch he's like Nate's never done it so he's a pussy cuz he never swam from shit like that he was just dude that is shark-infested water.

That is legitimately 100% shark-infested water. You're not just swimming. You're swimming through the habitat of one of the great monsters of Earth. Look, he just clipped him with the right hand there. Look at this. This was such an interesting fight, man. It was such an interesting fight because I thought of Nick before this fight as really a jiu-jitsu guy. I didn't think of him as a striker.

That same here. That's why I was thinking when he said he was going to knock this move. I was like... Well, he started getting really good at boxing when he went over to Strikeforce. The Strikeforce version of Nick Dance was like some of the best boxing. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love that fight. Yeah. Yeah.

Wasn't he in Elite XC, too? Yep. Yeah. God damn. See, that's the fight. If I was the guy with the cash... Listen. Guys.

Let's just do this this Connor likes fighting at 170 guess who else likes fighting at 170 Nick fucking Diaz come on but I mean maybe Nate would get pissed you know his brother stepping in and fighting him nah they seem like

they're one and the same they're symbiotic man but do you think there's a shot They seem like they're one and the same. They're symbiotic, man. But do you think, like here, this is like, oh, there's the shot. Yep. Wow. That's crazy. Show that again.

There's a short right hook there that stung him. This is a fun time capsule, right? To go back and watch fights from that long ago. Yeah. It's funny because I'm working. Here it comes. Yeah. See, he had stung him with a punch before that, before he circled into that. Oh, he goes after him.

Yeah. Wow. That was the birth of Nick Diaz in the UFC, really. That was where people got excited about him. I rolled with Nate for the first time during that fight week. Nate was there with Nick. I just remember it now. Nate was there with Nick.

I went down. My team wasn't there for a while, and I went down to the workout room. I was just jumping rope, and Nick was like, hey like hey man that's all you're gonna do i was like yeah my team's not here yet he's like you want someone to roll with because my brother's here so i roll with nick i'm gonna roll with nate and um he's really good then he was like 17 he's really good though yeah you don't see their ground game that often because they're they like to strike like the entire last fight with connor was a almost entirely stand-up fight but when you see him when he gets guys to the ground like the way he went through connor that that whole sequence

of beating him up taking his back and then choking him yeah it does very sharp yeah it's not there's no room there's no fat in there there's no room in there yeah and you choking him yeah it does very sharp yeah it's not there's no room there's no fat in there there's no room in there yeah and you can see it it was for him it was flawless it was just it was he'd done that a million times before he has 10 000 hours of that yeah 100 yeah yeah i mean and there's really almost no substitute for that but there's so many fucking good fights to be made now. I mean,

nobody's even talking about Michael Johnson is going to fight Nurmagomedov. Michael Johnson's a bad motherfucker. That's exciting. So,

that's exciting. This is the first time when the UFC has put together a card, the 205 card. For me, like,

in my personal opinion, when they pipe it as the5 card, for me, like, in my personal opinion, when they pipe it as the biggest card ever, I'm like, yeah, I mean, yeah, this is the biggest card ever, but there's, like, two or three good fights on it. Like, two big fights. This card, every single fight on this card could main event a show. Yeah. Like, whether it be a fight night or whatever, every fight on this card can main event a show. It it really whether it be a fight night or whatever every fight on this

card can main event a show it really could it's crazy yeah it's an it's a nutty card there's three world title fights and there's so many great fights like the number giving off johnson fight uh rashad's fighting tim kennedy there's a lot a lot of good fights on that card tiago alves yeah who's tiago fighting again? He was supposed to fight Iaquinta. They changed it. That's right. But who replaced Iaquinta? I forget.

Here it is. Where is it? Where's Tiago Alves? Oh, Jim Miller. That's right. That's good, too. That might be just as good. I hated hearing that, though.

That Al Iaquinta thing. Yeah. It was a bummer. You know? I don't know what the full story is. I don't know either. But I'm a fan of Iaquinta. He's a fun dude to watch.

There's a lot of guys out there. I mean, it's crazy because this is, I feel, this is the first generation of guys that have come up as MMA fighters the whole time, the whole way through. Even Nate, being as young as he is, he was still a jiu-jitsu guy coming into this. Yep. But there are these kids now that are fighting like Mursad Bektik. I feel like Mursad is one of those guys that he started training MMA. Yeah. one of those guys that he started training mma yeah and god that's and when you're doing that how important is it to find the right coach the right coach is so valuable yeah because how many

guys can give you that full sort of farasa hobby matt hume sort of experience where they've got black belt level jujitsu like real world striking. They really know what the fuck they're doing. And they understand the game. Deep. Deep. In and out. Yeah. There's only a small amount of those guys.

And it's not a coincidence that, like, the great ones, like Demetrius. Demetrius gives up all of his credit to Matt Hume. You know? I mean, he's like, he found a guy who was a pioneer of the sport, who was a real high level Muay Thai guy, real high level black belt in jujitsu, and competed at a real high level in Japan. Remember when he fought? Ken Shamrock? Yeah, but he fought Pat Miletic. Remember that?

He stopped Pat Miletic in an MMA fight. Like, Matt Hume in his day was a bad motherfucker. So it only made sense that he would also become a great coach. But how many of those guys are there? Like that. Like that's got that kind of Matt Hume type experience and understanding of the sport. It's coming now. Now, right?

Because of guys from my generation like Dean Thomas and Mike Brown. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Josh Thompson's about to be retired. Or he's closer to retirement than some of these younger guys. These guys are... Shoot, there's so many guys now that are at that point and this next generation of guys,

they're not going to have to go to a jiu-jitsu gym and then to a kickboxing place you know they're going to have these coaches that know the game that they're teaching them mixed martial arts and not teaching them individual parts of it don't you think there's still going to be specialized coaches though for each individual thing yeah for sure because because those guys from that generation know that, hey, they're good at it altogether, but there are still parts of it that their rating is not going to be 100. Right. Well, like Dwayne Ludwig is probably a real good example of that, because obviously Dwayne kickboxed at a real high level. He's an excellent MMA fighter.

And when you watch what he's coaching, he's primarily coaching striking. He understands ground game very well. I mean, he can submit people. I don't know what his Brazilian jiu-jitsu belt is, but I'm sure he's very competent on the ground. But Dwayne is more of a specialist in striking than anything else that he does. So it only makes sense that you would want to have a guy like Dwayne where that's where his brain works.

His brain works on these combinations. And you'd want to like a guy like duane where that's where his brain works his brain works on these combinations and you'd want to like yeah man do that like fucking definitely keep doing that because he's going into these crazy deep places with his techniques and his movements and his ideas duane's he's got all these systems written down like like a lot of his his uh style is documented as opposed to like a lot of people just have it in their head. You know, they have all their moves in their head. They have what they do in their head. Ludwig's got all this shit written out. He's a freak, man.

Again, the best, most complimentary way possible, but he's a freak. Yeah, because, see, when Trump becomes president, and then society falls, and we get buried under ashes a thousand years from now somebody's gonna find that manuscript and recreate the duane ludwig neo footwear style of striking they're gonna build statues of duane ludwig dude you make me scared of the election uh if you're in californ you've got to register to vote. You have two more days, I think, folks. I really think with both those guys, you've got to put your war pants on. Both people running?

Yeah. Well, you could vote for Gary Johnson, even though he doesn't know what Aleppo is. I don't know what Aleppo is either. Apparently, there was a good fight going on here that we completely and totally missed. That dude looks so much like Chris Camosi It's crazy Is that Chris Camosi's brother? It can't be

No What were you going to say? I lost my train of thought Yursi Belgarui Versus Ariel Machado Wow We didn't watch this fight for a second Garui versus Ariel Machado. Wow. Hmm.

We didn't watch this fight for a second. As so often is the fight campaign. So this is the middleweight. It's a middleweight tournament. So this is the first round of the middleweight tournament. It's a tournament for tonight. Yeah. And then the next one is uh at a senya yeah style bender style bender do you know style bender i know of him i don't i don't know

personally fun guy to watch fight yeah he's uh i'm really interested to see how how this goes yeah me too he's super technical i've seen a bunch of his shit online. And he's sort of dabbling in MMA as well. He's thinking about fighting MMA as well. He seems like he's working hard and doing anything he gets the opportunity. But he's fighting in the China show, so I haven't seen the similar competition or whatnot. So I'm interested to see how this goes.

And then Robert Thomas is kind of slower. I fought him. He was slower, but he fucking, he's got like a granite chin. He's got a cabbage face. Like I hit that guy so fucking hard and like he took it.

I was thinking about a cabbage face. That's fucking terrible. You mean that in The most complimentary way He's a really nice guy He's a good guy He's a very He's a very talented Simon Marcus

When you said That guy is starting to do Getting into some MMA When you look at Like kickboxing This level I think like They should

If they want to get an MMA Keep kickboxing And take like a year and really straight. Most of the time wrestle, you know, yeah. Play with the submission, play the submission game.

I'm just learn it, understand it, but learn how to wrestle first, like after their kickboxing, because when you can wrestle and you're comfortable and confident and throwing your kick, When you can wrestle and you're comfortable and confident and throwing out your real kickboxing skills and feel confident that you can defend takedowns. And if you do get taken down, you can get back to your feet. Because that's what MMA is now.

I mean, the submissions. If you get taken down, the only time you're seeing guys stay on top of guys and control position is when the other guy can't really wrestle you know guys who have decent takedown defense when they do get taken down they work back to their feet unless you're fighting damian maya and exactly then you're getting taken down by a boa constrictor you know he's he but he did a rick story i remember watching that going i did not think we were ever gonna see that like story such a gorilla and he's such such a physically strong kid that to see Damian get a hold of him and just constrict He just constricted him got to his back got a hold of his neck neck cranked him and that was a wrap

I mean the way he did it was uh. The way he did that, Carlos is stunning. Stunning. Stunning. I expected him to be better than Carlos on the ground, probably by a big margin too, but I didn't see him just kind of walking there. In my eyes, it's a testament to the ground game of Rory McDonald, because Rory McDonald got taken down by Damian in the first round, and a lot of it was Damian on top of him in the mount.

And he defended. He defended, got back to his feet, and then beat his ass in the second and the third rounds. Just stand up, you know? But Rory, underrated ground game. Who did he fight in? He fought someone in Metamorris. Was it like JT Torres?

Someone who was really good. and he got caught in a kimura and he got his arm all fucked up and he didn't tap i'm trying to remember who he fought but he went to you know what they call a draw at those because they don't really have scores if you don't if you don't submit the guy that goes to a draw is that who who it is? Yeah, it's JT Torres. And Torres is a super high-level kid in the grappling scene. You know, I mean, he does really well in, like, high-level black belt matches in grappling. So for him to step in like that, for Rory to do that while he's a professional MMA fighter and take on this kid,

super impressive. And he hung in there. I mean, look at him. He's attacking leg locks here. They're both exchanging heel hooks. I hate looking at heel hooks. I know, right? You wait for that sound.

Crackle, crack, crack, crack. I know that he doesn't get finished with this heel hook. I still don't want to look at it. I know, right? Because guys get hurt even though they don't get finished. Yeah. Like, you don't know that they're hurt, and they keep fighting, and there's some inflammation, and later they realize there's a big-ass tear in their MCL or something.

That shit happens all the time. And then you walk in, and you feel it when you try to walk up the stairs. Have you ever had knee surgery? No, no knee surgeries. I was fortunate. Wow, that's incredible. For a kickboxer? That's incredible.

I've been lucky. Damn, that's amazing. Well, you must do it smart, too. You're smart. You like black leg kicks. I mean, it kind of also seems like my thing or my question about a guy like Nurmagomedov who has that insane pedal to the metal style whereas you who uh although you had a very aggressive style it was very well thought out it was it was it was very technical in your approach it's not like i'm planning i don't

god damn the idea i'm going to be technical that's just how my brain works, I guess. You know what I mean? Only because I understand that well enough to do it that way. And this is not to insinuate that Nermick Madoff isn't technical. No, he's super technical, but he's aggressive with that technique. He's a berserker. Yeah. He'll just kind of come after you and go wild and turn the heat up all the time.

I wasn't that guy. He fights angry. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good way to play it. Explain it. You fight calm and collected. Yeah.

This dude fights calm and collected. I hate to segue like I'm a fucking professional announcer here, but Stylebender's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he looks real smooth. I really enjoy watching him fight, and I've been looking forward to this fight in particular. He's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he looks real smooth. I really enjoy watching him fight, and I've been looking forward to this fight in particular. He's a fun dude. He's fun online, too.

He wrote some funny shit about Brendan Schaub and that these two girls were having a pillow fight, and Brendan Schaub's concerned they're going to get CTE. He's funny, man. He's a funny dude, yeah. I guess he listens to the fighter and the kid, and maybe Brendan Schaub's been talking too much about CTE, but he was just being hilarious.

Schaub would want to have these girls diagnosed for CTE. But he's, like, in my opinion, when it comes to kickboxing, he's the epitome of technique, you know, of a technical fighter. And he's also super creative. I like watching him fight. I like how he moves. Yeah, very technical. He's very smart the way he fights.

And he's also extremely capable. You know, he's got some extreme talents. Should be interesting. Because, like you said, Joe, he's been fighting in uh china a lot right yeah well just europe over there he gets paid a lot to fight over there i guess and um yeah now he's uh making his way to glory which is i guess they this is broadcast everywhere right we're on the espn3 we're watching it right now but where what other parts of the world do they have they're like 120 countries that glory's got their their bigger assets are overseas, I guess.

I was so psyched when it got on UFC Fight Pass. Yeah. Oh, so fun just to be able to watch, like throw it up in the gym, get motivated. So. Oh, because it's like you just saved up there. Yeah, just DVR. Yeah, you go to, it's like a just saved up there so you can yeah just dvr yeah you go to yeah you go it's like a dvr well i was dreaming rather i wasn't thrilled about it because of

sponsors sponsors yeah when i was fighting on it and they had because it was just uh you don't get ratings for oh for fight pass sponsors yeah right right right you wouldn't even know how many fucking people are watching. Or if anybody... Trying to explain it to a sponsor is like explaining... Like, go to gfl.com and watch me. There's a lot of people that have Fight Pass, but there's a lot more people who don't have Fight Pass.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, Fight Pass is awesome. And if you really are a fan of MMA and you can afford the scratch, how much does it cost? How much is Fight Pass? Ten, eight. That is so cheap. Super cheap.

That's super cheap. Super cheap. It's worth it. Like, if you're a big-time fan and you're just becoming a fan, like, that's where it's even crazy. Dude, you missed out on all the great shit. Yeah. But it's, like dude you missed out on all the great shit yeah but it's like an awesome like an awesome deal because yeah all the invicta fights all the live fights all the there's a bunch of different everything so i i had this i had this crazy idea one time i thought silly idea to um make you able to make playlists on Fight Pass, you know, or have some people's playlists.

Like some fighters' playlists. Some of your favorite fighters' playlists on Fight Pass because of the fights that inspired them to come and do this thing. Yeah. Dude, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. That should be an option. Like on your Fight Pass, you should be able have a star. And you can add it to a collection. Dude, that's slick.

I like that. Then you would like be able to find like what would Don Fry pick? You know what I'm saying? Look what's Don Fry's all time favorite fights. You know it's going to be a slobber knocker. Stylebender. All kinds of weird Ads on his shorts

What's up with those shorts? That just has a lot of I thought that was a bunch of Different country's flags It's like a tiger Oh it is a tiger A pink tiger What are you seeing here Joe?

Talk us through this It's like the Coogee shorts Woo Beautiful Beautiful question mark kick What are you seeing here Joe When you're watching him? Uh Joe, talk us through this. It's like the Coogee shorts. Ooh, beautiful. Beautiful question mark kick. What are you seeing here, Joe, when you watch them? Because you know Thomas, right?

Yeah. You fought him. Yeah, Thomas is actually, right now I was watching, Thomas looks a little different. He's got a little more head movement now, and he's in more of a boxing stance. He's actually throwing decent punches. He used to have these these like thomas used to have this overly thai style and i mean it's like these guys that try to fight and try to mimic and copy uh traditional muay thai and uh

one it doesn't work when you're that big in my opinion and it in this style of rules it's not good interesting so as opposed to kickboxing. Why do you think it doesn't work when you're that big? Because traditional Muay Thai, when I say that, is all about body kicks. And it's very upright. You stand very upright. And it's a slow-paced thing. And I think that the guys that are creative, that mix their punches and their kicks up and use different movement,

have more of an American kickboxing style or a Dutch kickboxing style, a different style than traditional Muay Thai. It's, I think, more effective, and the rules are set up for that. Why do you think it's more effective with people that are heavier, though? Just because they're slow. They're just slow. Interesting. So the guys who are shorter are the smaller guys.

That was a nice leg kick. The guys who are smaller, like the elite guys at the lighter weight classes, they could move quick enough to pull off that upward stance? Yeah. So the whole, like, if you think about, like, Muay Thai, it was designed as, like, a martial arts for a bunch of people that are 135 pounds tops. And the rules for traditional Muay Thai, the slow-paced five-round fight, it's a really slow pace. It's all about...

It's a way slower pace. It's about gambling it's just really different when people watch it and then they try to copy it and they fight it a slower pace as well is it about being tougher like the traditional style is that kind of what you mean or no not at all

no not at all it seems like when I think about a traditional Thai style, it's kind of squaring up and throwing straight shots and trying to land that hard kick to the body. Robert Thomas looks way different. What looks different about him? He's, like, a lot more turned into his stance.

He's got way more of a boxing stance. That's where he had before. He was really squared up. He's sitting down in this punch he's sitting down more so you see a lot of improvement yeah I mean yeah for my liking and then he's being a lot more aggressive with his hands

looks like really good Glory 37 Los Angeles January 20th um you said Lion Fight is on Fight Pass. Is it on Fight Pass? I think I heard a couple. Really?

Yeah. I didn't know Lion Fight was on it, too. I thought they were. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. What's so funny? I was like, they put Bellator on Fight Pass. Poor Bellator. How do you guys see this fight so far?

It's interesting. Thomas, like you said, he's definitely, it seems to me, he looks like a better fighter than he was when he fought you. Thomas used to not use his hands aggressively, so I didn't think he did. I told him after the fight he should work on his boxing a lot. But he used to be all about this this step up knee and this body kick and i haven't seen him try to do that at all and he's like a much sit sitting down a lot better in his stance i don't know if he's winning on points or not but uh hey i guess you say it out of sanya i've been saying

how have i been saying it i didn't know how to say it. I said style. I just signed it. The shorts are dope, though. Yeah. It's like it's stuck. The more I look at it, I'm like, what did you fucking say? It's stuck on my brain now because it's like I'm not. Are you guys countering well? I think, you know, Robert Thomas looks good here. What were you going to say?

I'm not. Knee to the body. Nice. Powerful knee to the body. God damn. That was clean. All in the solar plexus. I don't know.

Might be it. Yeah, that was a bad one wait wow he got back up at nine killer that was a tough one jesus christ i just i just want to put a disclaimer because i'm like i wasn't like trying to fart on on bellator i mean i'm saying fight basil gobble everything up i know right it's cool to put everything in one spot I know, right? And it's cool to put everything in one spot. It's like Netflix. I personally root for Bellator.

I really do. I think it's good for everybody to have more events. I think it's good for the sport. It elevates the sport. I don't think it's bad for the UFC. I think the UFC is giant. It's only going to get bigger. I don't think it's bad that Bellator does good.

And I think it's great what they're doing now, where they're taking fighters who did well in the UFC and maybe it didn't work out for them or maybe they decided to try to test their options like Rory McDonald, Phil Davis. They're developing a real roster. Rory's world class. He's a world class welterweight in anybody's book. What happens because of that is now you bring these guys with that UFC levelc level experience because so yeah some of those bellator guys can walk right into the ufc and do well um michael chandler yeah exactly but not all of them right but when you

bring that ufc level experience back to the bellator cage then that rate that's the same thing that i was saying before about that void. There's a point now these guys can raise their level some. The guys that aren't there, but they're in that environment. Right. You would know this. You're in the loop. What happened with Ben Askren and Bellator? Why did he not go back to Bellator?

He was the champion. That's so rare that a champion leaves with the belt and winds up going and fighting somewhere else yeah i don't remember at all i know i asked him about how convenient no i vaguely remember he's the one guy that troubles me the most out of all the people that are not competing right now in the ufc yeah he's the one guy that troubles me the most because uh I would want to see what he can do I want to see what he can do he's I mean people say that his style is boring or that they don't like it because he just gets on top of guys and becomes a blanket and and punches him in the face I'm like yeah but he can do that right like don't you think it's imperative that we show what can be done?

Like, can he do that to Damian Maia? I want to know who he can do it to. I want to know who he can do it to. And there's only one way. Look, he's done it to a lot of people. Look what he did to Korshkov. You know what a bad motherfucker Korshkov is. Right?

Yeah. Manhandle him. Manhandle him. I'm just really on that. I'm really on that right now. He's mugged a lot of dudes. He mugs them. That's what you do.

That's the fight you bring him into the UFC to fight. Put him and Damian Maia as a co-main on a big card. Or put him with an exciting young kid who's going to come after him. Yeah. You know? Like a Brandon Fatch. There you go. Mike Perry. Someone who's going to do something crazy. Go out and Like a Brandon Fatch. There you go. Mike Perry.

Someone who's going to do something crazy. Go out and throw wild punches at him. Make it a fucking scrap. Look, one of his toughest fights in Bellator was Jay Heron. Yep. Right? Jake and Russell. Yeah, Jake and Russell.

Jay's a very good MMA fighter, and he can wrestle. And so he was better in striking than Askren was at the time. Right. But Askren's striking's not that bad either. He knows how the fuck to get away from shit. And when he gets a hold of guys, he takes them down in these ways they're just not expecting. I really want to see him in Maya now. Fuck yeah.

Dude, I want to see him in a lot of guys. I want to see him in Wonderboy. That's what I want to see. I mean, wouldn't you want to see him in a lot of guys. I want to see him in Wonderboy. That's what I want to see. I mean, wouldn't you want to see that? Yeah. Can you take that dude down? Can you get a hold of him? Can you get past those kicks?

Like, what's going to happen there? Fuck, man. It's like there's not a whole lot of guys that are specialists, and that's much of a pure sense as he is. He's a wrestling specialist. He's a real world-class wrestler. And anytime there's a guy like that out there, for me, it's just like shit.

Yeah, especially when they come in with a different style of that specialty. Mm-hmm. Like, Askren's style isn't the same. I mean, Nurmagomedov is a specialist as a wrestler, but Askren's style is different. Exactly. Askren's style isn't the same. I mean, Nurmagomedov is a specialist as a wrestler, but Askren's style is different. Exactly. Askren's style is just bizarre.

He just holds on to guys in weird ways. And he just seems so much stronger than he looks. It's very interesting, man. But just, I hate to bring that up again, but the only reason why I do is because I am a fan of the sport. I'm a big fan of the sport and I don't think the sport is the most exciting shit. I think the sport is the sport. If there's something that's not as exciting,

but is more effective, that's still a part of the sport. You can't ignore that something just because it's convenient for your vision of what makes a sport dynamic and exciting. Because then it's not the sport anymore. Because then it's the sport plus entertainment, but this guy's going to stink it up. We're going to keep him on the outside. And he might not.

I mean, it might be Jay Heron squared. You get him in with someone like a Wonderboy or Tyron Woodley or someone along those lines. And Tyron and him, they know each other very well, right? They're their teammates. Would they fight? No. No? They wouldn't?

I don't think they would fight. I doubt they would fight even for the belt. Wow. Well, that would be an interesting fight if they weren't that good friends. Stylistically, because Tyron's a really good wrestler, too, and that crazy knockout power. They know each other, too. Realistically, because Tyron's a really good wrestler, too, and that crazy knockout power. But they know each other.

Honestly, in an MMA fight, I think it's bad for Ben simply because they know each other so well, and Tyron is more explosive with the striking. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. I was going to say that. Style bender. It's no joke.

Standing up. Just 15 seconds to go. He's going to survive. He's caught that one. Oh, shit. Whoa, beautiful combination there. Oh, right hand. Ooh.

Ooh. The shorts are dope as fuck. They are. It's a fun guy to watch man it's a good fight robert thomas looked a lot better though it was good so that was uh round one of the tournament for him right so he might have to so if he wins this then he fights in the next one we're paying attention we weren't paying attention at all not even a little Jamie Jamie's Jamie something Paul this is another fight that I'm really interested in or style matchup I'm really interested in is that explosive speed of tyrant versus that slow methodical style of Maya too.

That's another one. Like can he take Tyron down? Can he get to Tyron? And you're going to have to go through hell to get to him because there's no question in the world. There's no question in my mind at least that Tyron moves far faster. Right. So he's very difficult to get a hold of grappler anyway. Right.

Very good wrestling. And then he moves far faster. And he's got thunderous power. So Maya's going to have to take chances. So in taking those chances to close that distance, he's not a kicking specialist either. So he's going to be taking those chances with his hands. And you're just going to run into these potential counters,

especially in the first round. For anybody, Tyron is the scariest in the first round because he just has so much speed and explosion. And I think it takes guys by surprise. It takes them by surprise and it probably takes them at least a round or about a round to adjust to that speed at the very least. There's been some knockouts like the Josh Koscheck knockout. Remember that one? Yep.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Oh my goodness. Just, just a fucking bomb over the top. Yeah. The way, the way he was, I can picture it in my head and the way he's standing up over him and that,

and that it's, it's kind of scary. It looks scary when you, when you see, cause they're both, it looks like two superheroes just got into a fight yeah

yeah it's man Kostchik's another guy what a fucking accomplished wrestler that guy was before he got into MMA yeah super high level wrestler

that kid Gregor Gillespie mhm that kid is legit good really good wrestler yeah really good That kid, Gregor Gillespie, that kid is legit good. Really good wrestler. Yeah? Really good.

He's a four-time All-American. He's a national champion. This guy, before I met him, I was going up there to train, and everybody's like, yeah, when you get with Gregor, man, he's a beast on top. I went up there for about three weeks. First go we go, he takes me down. I'm like, all right, cool. This guy's supposed to be a beast on top.

I get up. I get up on the very first try, right? That was the last time I got up for three weeks. I went to charge him rent, man. For three weeks? For three weeks. I couldn't do anything when he was on top of me. Wow.

I couldn't do anything. Nothing. Damn. There's dudes like that. He's really good. Damn. Yeah, there's like what we're talking about, about specialists. Yeah.

People that just have that high a level. Well, that's one of the things that always intrigued me about Askren. Is that Pettis would say, like, I couldn't fight that dude. That dude, he'd just hold me down. Do whatever the fuck he wants to me. Like, I want to see. Come on, Uncle Dana. I want to see.

Ben used to, like, used to I met him when I first met Tyron I went up to Missouri to train and Tyron took me to some tournament and Ben was

he was just going out and pinning dudes I mean he's pinning like college level wrestlers in the first period sometimes like quickly Dean says to me the first time he met Ben,

or the first time he worked out with Ben, he's like, Ben just asked him, he goes, do you know what a sprawl is? Like he just, he couldn't do anything about what Ben was doing to him. So he didn't know, Ben didn't know if he knew how to sprawl. Like Dean Thomas doesn't know how to sprawl.

Wow. That's how good he is though. how to sprawl like Dean Thomas doesn't know how to sprawl wow you know that's how good he is though and how good he is did you ever see when he rolled Marcel Garcia yeah Marcel just tabity tap tap tapped him Marcel is just so freakish you know his jiu-jitsu especially in his prime so freakish i saw those bees too yeah i was in brazil when he emerged on the scene in 2003 when he fought uh shaolin and choked him out he got his back and then in the rolling and spinning he put him to sleep like as as shaolin was trying to defend he was getting his back and i believe he got him from the side. I think he wound up like rear naked choking him from the side. And that's how he put him to sleep.

But it was just Shaolin refusing to tap because nobody even knew who Marcello was back then. And that was like one of his most impressive, like early on victories. Like that to this day is one of my all time favorite submission victories that I've ever seen anybody perform. Because it was just so explosive and fast and final. Put him to sleep.

It's very rare you see a high-level guy like Shaolin Hibero get put to sleep. And that was the first time we'd ever seen Marcelo. Shaolin was one of those guys, too. Like, when he came to MMA, he was one of those dangerous guys. Oh, yeah. Super high-level grappler. I mean, and this was Abu Dhabi 2003. Jamie, see if you can find that.

Marcelo Garcia versus Shaolin. It's not a fast fight. I mean, it's not a long fight at all. I should say match Fighters get mad Jiu Jitsu guys call it fights Fighters like It's a match bro

It's not a fight Did you get hit? But a boxing match is a fight too It's not a fight Here it is So he takes his back Look at this It's a fight

You get hit That's a fight This is a match He takes his back And he at this. That's a fight. You get hit. That's a fight. This is a match. He takes his back and he chokes him here like sideways. Yeah. And that's it. He put him to sleep.

This is, boom. That was final. This was, nobody knew who Marcelo Garcia was. Everybody knew who Shaolin was. But I remember hearing about his name right after seeing that video. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah, play that shit again, Jamie. It was crazy. Do it like, yeah, right from there.

And the thing about Marcelo was that arm drag to the back was just so unstoppable. So unstoppable. He would get to that position, man. It was just so tight. at this he's he's essentially one hook and he's like on top on the side and he's got him spun around and flattened out chest to back yeah he was chest to back and he like he stopped him from rolling out of it perfectly. It was just death.

The way he's spinning and trying to resolve it. He never releases that chest to back. No, never. His squeeze is something else, man. That is one of my all-time favorite submission victories. But just because of the finality to it, but also the fucking ruthlessness of his technique. He had both things going on it was like he had an incredible technique and aggression and perfect perfect timing and perfect positioning

fuck that's amazing and again shaolin he did it to a beast you know it wasn't like to some regular person he was um he was an american top team for a while and it sucks because like all my training partners beat me up i'm training with marcelo he's training for an mma fight over in japan and i'm training for a fight and we're going and i'm keeping it standing i'm defending takedowns. I'm winning the round. And Conan goes, 30 seconds. And I'm like, 30 seconds. Yeah, I've dominated this round. Okay, now let me be strategic.

I'm going to take him down, secure the round, and kind of put it out there to the judges that I'm not afraid of his ground game. Just kind of playing the game in my head. I shoot a shot, and on the way down, he reverses me, and he taps me before the round is over like It's like this is garbage this is bullshit He he's ridiculously good is he the best guy you ever roll with absolutely yeah by far I

Mean Matt Lin was like like I can't do anything to that guy. Just a gorilla. He's so good. He's really good. Man. That's interesting. He's really good. Like, I would love to see him and Nurmagomedov.

Not necessarily in a fight. Just in a wrestling, grappling situation, Sambo situation. I would just love to see that. I don't know. I've never trained with Nurmagomedov. I don't know how good he is. I'm sure he's great because of what I've seen him do. But I would just love to see that. I know his wrestling is probably the best in the ufc right now so um a guy like that

but i know some really good wrestlers that get destroyed by marcello yeah like ben askren like we were talking about that video those two rolling yeah well marcello's got that fucking insane squeeze man the guillotine squeeze he's got a nasty north-south squeeze. He's got his back takings legendary. He's so good at that arm drag. That arm drag is just... And before he was pulling it off, like the way he was doing it was really rare to see somebody that specialized on it like that. Where they just specialize on hitting that arm drag and getting to the back. Hitting that arm drag and getting to the back.

You know, and he was doing it from butterfly guard. He wasn't doing it like a wrestler. Really interesting guy. And big-ass, giant fucking legs, right? Not big arms. Like, his arms are kind of normal-sized. But big-ass, giant legs. Like fat boy legs.

I mean, they're muscled, but they're just, like, round. Dude, they're huge. He's all legs. I mean, they're muscled, but they're just like round. Dude, they're huge. He's all legs. It's really interesting. Like, that is one thing that I think is like super underrated and kind of in all of any sort of combat sports. The size of your legs is so gigantic. Like the power in your legs, rather.

The ability that your legs have. Like, look at Pacquiao's legs That dude has these giant ass golf ball or tennis ball calves That fucker you were looking at Malapet's calves He can't like yeah, he can't wear like normal. They can't pull it up over his Calfs, it's just ridiculous. Yeah, Sanchez, the same thing. Big, giant-ass calves. Like, if you go back and think about Tyson,

one of the things about Tyson that was so fucking impressive is his legs. He would leap at you and throw bombs at the same time. And they're just coming up from the ground. Wham! I mean, there's so much horsepower behind that. And a lot of that was coming up through those giant-ass fucking legs.

You know, really interesting when you think about it from Marcelo, though. Which guy? The guy in the audience? Yeah. Think about it with Marcelo. What's interesting is he's securing you with those legs. Like, when he's taking backs, like, that's his big thing, right? And in guillotines as well.

He's using that incredible leg power to secure you. To secure you and to get you controlled by those legs. Like, you see the way he controls Shaolin on the ground at the end of it? He's just smushing everything. And it's all that power that allows him to get the chokes off better. I feel like it's

one of those things where he's figured out just how to use exactly the right amount of muscle in the right direction to control you with his leg.

Like, using his leg as if it's a hand to grab. Yeah. But, like, same thing with, like, a specialist like Nurmagomedov same thing with specialists like Damian Maia I feel like they have that ability to change the little details and use their use their body the perfect way to make that specific thing work yeah you know the other thing that's interesting about marcello is he doesn't he doesn't utilize any strong person moves like he won't do kimuras he thinks kimuras are a strong person move he thinks like grabbing the garm and yanking behind him he doesn't do those or at least

he didn't for a long time and that was his rationale i mean he might have changed and went to it now but i know for the longest time he wasn't interested in those he was just interested in putting motherfuckers to sleep he's like he's like hmm like all the all you have to do is get a hold of that neck and if i become a specialist in squeezing necks i'm just gonna put everybody to sleep i don't need to be messing up your shoulder or anything i'll just shut you off i mean it's the most def like a guy can tap you and it's very definitive right the guy gets you in an arm bar and you tap it's very most deaf. Like, a guy can tap you, and it's very definitive, right? A guy gets you in an arm bar, and you tap. It's very definitive.

But there's something about the way he climbs off Shaolin when Shaolin's unconscious, and he just squalls him out in seconds. It's the most definitive ending next to, I mean, obviously next to a knockout. Knockout being the most definitive, right, because it carries the most consequences. Yeah. But, I mean, they both put you to sleep. In real life like that's like you're dead you're dead guy yeah you're a dead guy people think like oh that's no that's legitimate like that would kill you yeah yeah all marcelo would have to do is keep hanging on yeah for another 30 seconds that's a dead guy over no referee it's over yeah i mean he just climbed and that's a dead guy. Another 30 seconds and it's over. No referee. It's over. Yeah. I mean, he just climbed. And the crazy thing is he just did that to a world-class black belt.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the kind of thing those people that work for Hillary Clinton, they inject you to put you to sleep. But when you're out, they can take you somewhere. So when you get knocked out, when you get choked unconscious, it's like, yeah, you're dead. You go they can take you somewhere so when you get knocked out when you get choked unconscious it's like

yeah you're dead you are at their mercy absolutely there's nothing you can do about whatever they wanted to do to you why you gotta bring in Hillary Clinton

and injecting people with needles you're freaking me out man we were talking about we were talking about the Trump thing this politics shit's gonna get loud

we talked about the Trump thing and I just want I just want to put it out there that I'm against them both, so I don't want anybody coming after me. That's what I had to say first, too. Joe Schilling, what do you think? You know these guys very well. Dustin Jacoby, Simon Marcus.

Big step up for Jacoby, though, right? Do you think this is the biggest step up for him? I think they already fought once, man. This is a rematch. Here we go. Yeah. But, yeah, Dustin's not. I don't think Dustin's.

Who won the first fight? We'll see. I didn't even watch the first fight. Did Simon win? Simon won, yeah. Do you know how he won? I don't. There was the Brazilian guy who KO'd.

Jacoby. Jacoby with a left hook. I remember that. Jacoby was like 0 and first he fought a 205 with Glory and lost like five or six fights. Well, he was fighting MMA for a long time, right? Yeah. And he went to 185. Oh, nice push kick.

Oh, nice push kick. He's definitely got a lot better as a striker since he's been concentrating entirely on it. Oh, so there it is. There's a decision. Simon Marcus won a decision. That was the first fight they had. Yeah, I would say if Jacoby has a best chance of winning this fight now, then there because of the high altitude. And he's a Colorado guy.

Yeah, he lives in Colorado. And then how much of a fact do you think Simon Mark is just losing by KO to Jason Willness is? Was not that long ago, right? I don't think so. What was it, like two months ago? Right? It couldn't have been more than three. I don't think.. What was it, like two months ago? It couldn't have been more than three. I don't think.

And he was out out? He got beat up. They stopped it. He got knocked out? Oh, he was fucked up. He got hurt. And he got dropped more than once. He got dropped more than once.

Six weeks ago. Wow. That would be a factor. Dude, that was six weeks ago. High altitude, less oxygen. I don't know. He's flinching a lot, man. A lot of factors, yeah.

He doesn't look that comfortable. Confident in that, yeah. And Dustin is a big guy. I feel like he's going to get knocked out. I'll tell you what, in the first round, in the wellness fight, he looked like a fucking world beater. He really did. And, ooh, we just got tagged. But he looked like a world beater when you

fought you in the first round too i mean he's got a first he's got a first gear that's pretty fucking sensational oh i mean he's a he's a he's a traditional muay thai guy so all of his fights he's got 49 fights they're all muay thai and like where he beat me in the first two times is he's like incredibly uh strong and good in the clinch and will like zap you and hold you and... Oh, nice right hand. Oh, he just tagged. So the clinch is really the fact that it's removed from glory really hurts him. Yeah.

And his... Well, it forces him to have to fight. That's really interesting. He used to... His cardio looked better because he had more time to clench. Now when it's full go and throwing more combinations. Well, that's interesting too because he has to completely change his style. Like his cardio is sort of based on the style of being able to hold on whenever you want to.

That's why he was able to get away with those explosive movements and not conserve energy, right? Because he could explode like that and he could clinch up when he needed that time to clinch up. And he's very strong. Right. That's interesting. Do you prefer this or do you prefer Muay Thai? I prefer the glory rules. Really?

For myself. If you had to make the ultimate rules, though, what would you say? I would do glory rules with elbows. I like like the way you're thinking but what about the clinch i think the clinch is like uh you the way you see it the way that you like the clinch is the way that it is here you just don't realize it if you want if i showed you one assignment if i showed you simon and i's second fight where he held on to me for two minutes out of every round up against the ropes and nothing was happening and I was just sitting there getting squeezed and I'm talking to Steve Mazzagati like, hey, nothing's happening here. You wouldn't like it that much. Dustin might have broke his arm, man.

They're going to stop the fight. Looks like he broke his arm. Did they kick? Yep. Yeah, they just like he broke his arm. Did they kick? Yep. Yeah, they just squoze his arm. And he's in pain. Now he's getting off the stool. His left arm is fucked up, man.

What is Simon Marcus... What is going on here? Doctor. The doctor's going to come over and look at... This fight's over. He's got a broken arm. Yeah. You can't...

The fight is over, right? What are they going to do gonna do they're gonna say okay go go in there i mean what do they do when they're broken joe well he's he's he's in pain right so but here's the thing no no that's what i'm saying why wouldn't they just have already started the round like simon had done some damage right wouldn't the idea be that either you were capable starting at the beginning of the round or the fights over? No, it's broken They're still deciding Yeah, you're saying we gotta stop the fight it must be broken you could feel it's broken But my question is how do you start the round and then have the guy?

But my question is, how do you start the round and then have the guy, have him get checked out like that? Like, if he can't go on, like, if he can't continue, he can't continue. It seems like if he decided, like, I can go on two minutes later, it's not really a foul that was committed. It's not like he kicked him in the balls. Like, in the Henderson-Bisping fight, right, that was a big deal. Bisping kicked Henderson in the balls. Henderson took a gang of time. fight, that was a big deal. Bisping kicked Henderson in the balls. Henderson took a gang of time. He's like, good, I'm going to take a break.

And it was a smart move to do. But that made sense. He deserved that. He got kicked in the balls. Simon didn't do anything wrong. He landed kicks, and he hurt the dude's arm. And then they're like, well, how bad is he hurt? Can he go on? Well, if he can't go on at the beginning of the round, then the fight should be stopped, right?

Yeah, but did he ask for help or did he get up off of the stool ready to fight and then the referee decided to call the doctor? I would have to be real clear. I don't know. I think when they were grabbing his arm in the corner, I could have sworn he was telling them it was broken. And then he got up and then maybe they had to inform the referee. Maybe there was some confusion in that regard. Yeah, the referee was like, oh, well, we'll get a doctor to see this, and all that shit happened.

Yeah, right. But you can't ordinarily that can't happen, right? Like that was the big issue with the Yoel Romero-Tim Kennedy fight, right? Yeah. Tim Kennedy hurts Yoel Romero, hasn't badly hurt, the round ends, and then Romero stays on his stool for a long time. He stayed on his stool for the full minute

and then stayed on his stool at the end of the round and just stayed there and looked at John McCarthy and they cleared out the corner. It took a long time. I forget what all the shenanigans were that was going on, but it was clear that he had been hurt and then time was of the essence, and they didn't start the round on time.

So a lot of people thought, well, the fight should have been stopped right there. I remember. I was on that side at that point. I was too. I think it's very important, especially when you're talking about someone being hurt. If you hurt a guy, it's very important that that's... You have to allow a fighter to capitalize on that.

And giving someone an extended round, just're they're just sitting down there powerful tj dillashaw what is that thing on his neck somebody talked him into wearing that i think that's his idea that uh dog tag that glitterified glitter dog tag is that like um you don't like it well they get those at Forever 21 they're in that glass that glass cabinet I have a feeling

I have a feeling TJ's he didn't get it Forever 21 no his is way classier way classier it's a little more pricey I'm just kidding it's probably super expensive

but what's that stuff they put on it he quit he broke an arm so if you if you kick box and match and you got your arm broken in the second round, you're stopping, you're going to tell the ref my arm?

I'm not telling the ref. If I'm good to go, I'm going. Are you good to go? I mean, you will know, right? You will know how bad it hurts. Would it depend entirely upon where it's broken? What if it was broken up here? Like when Minotauro fought Frank Mir and snapped the upper arm?

Yeah. That's a little different than the forearm, isn't it? Yeah, that's much different than the forearm. Yeah. Because then you can't even use that arm. At all. Yeah. If it's the forearm, you can at least move it out of the way,

and you could stand like you're going to throw it. Yeah. Like if you get hurt in the fight. It's almost like your hand. Yeah. If it's the forearm, you can at least move it out of the way, and you could stand like you're going to throw it. Yeah. Like if you get hurt in the fight. It's almost like your hand. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, you break that upper arm.

That's a different beast. The further up it goes, the worse it gets for fighting, man. Yeah. You break your hand, you can still fight. Yeah. You break your forearm, you may be able to fight. Right, right. Or you chip it or crack it.

You may be able, but you start getting up here in your bicep area. Have you ever seen Ian McCall's hands? Yeah. Yeah, he's broke his hand like a hundred times now. Something insane. Every fucking year it's a broken hand. He can't make a fist. When he makes a fist, it's like this.

His one knuckle is always poking out. It doesn't close right. And he's had a bunch of operations. So they're trying to figure out what had happened. So somehow it was blocking a kick. Do they think they isolated it? Or are they just showing you highlights here? Looks like they're just showing highlights.

They have no idea. Yeah, I mean, who knows? They have no idea what's going on here, Joe. But Simon Marcus kicks fucking hard. Right there. That's probably right it. That's probably it. Started shaking it.

Yep. Yeah, and the way he's holding it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The way he's holding it. That was it. It was that kick. So they nailed it.

Yeah, man, you can't let a guy fight with a fucking broken arm if you know it's a broken arm. Like, if you want to hide it, Eve Edwards, you can hide it. But they have to stop it once it gets brought to the doctor's attention. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, Sean Yarbrough broke Stephen Richards' forearm with a body kick. And it was, like, one line fight, like, one of the first line fights. Snapped his forearm, and Stephen Richards went on and beat him for the decision in the final.

He just kept clenching him up and dumping him and shit, but he broke his arm and you could see, and they're holding it after the fight, and you could see a huge dent. Oh my god. It's like Jamie Varner when he broke his ankle. Yeah. That should have been stopped. That should have been stopped.

That was obvious. You can't do anything about that, but if that would have been his forearm, he would have continued. Yeah. He went back to his corner that. But if that would have been his forearm, he would have continued. Yeah. He went back to his corner, right? Did that happen in the first round? That happened in the first. He went back to his corner, and that's when they called it.

But that happened midway through the first. They didn't call it. He got knocked out. He got knocked out. Yeah. Wait, so he came back out? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he came back out.

That's right. He did get knocked out. Yeah. Wait, so he came back out? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he came back out. That's right. He did get knocked out. Yeah. And I think it was, was it Trujillo? Yeah. Abel Trujillo. No. Who's that?

Go back up so I can see who he's fighting. Who is that? No. Is that it broken ankle no I don't think this is what I'm thinking of huh did he break his ankle more than once what was the fight where he was in a crazy slug fest with somebody yeah no that no, that was after the Reebok deal. Oh, it was James Krause. That's who it is right there. Yeah. Oh, I remember this.

Oh, yeah, that's right. It just gave out on him. That's right. That's right. That's right. Now I remember. So I think I confused that and his fight with Abel Trujillo. His fight with Abel Trujillo was a slobber knocker,

and Trujillo wound up winning by knockout. That's what that was. I confabulated the two of them. And he went down the same way that he went down right there. Yes. Because, yeah, when he got hit with that hook, he was making that same move. So it looks like...

That's weird. So I had the two memories confused in my mind. Powerful glory life from Denver. Oh yeah, here's Abel Trujillo and him. Boom. Boom, right there. Yep, exactly the same. You were fucking right, Eve Edwards.

You figured it out, man. Boom, God, Lord, that's a fucking perfect punch Man If I was in my prime right now And I was in the UFC I would have to be at 45 These dudes are so much bigger than we were 10 years ago How do you feel about that?

What's your feelings about weight cutting? Am I interviewing you i'm not a journalist do you do you approve of it do you think that we'd all be better off if everybody abandoned it do you think that it's a smart thing i'm asking too many questions no i don't disapprove of it but i think we would all be better off in the long run. The fighters would be better off in the long run by not having to do it. There are some guys, for me, it wasn't miserable, but there are some guys that it is. And even for me, I think I'm still taking some, I'm burning the oil at both ends. I'm sorry, burning the candle at both ends at that point.

both ends i'm sorry burning the candle both ends at that point um but it's not as hard as say some guys like gleason tebow or um guys that that are much bigger and the weight class you know i think in the long run you are putting a toll on your body that's gonna you're gonna have to pay the price you're gonna have to pay that tax at some point but and that could come when you're 50 or you know i don't know, whatever. Yeah, it seems that fighting itself is such an incredibly difficult task on your body. Why would you want to put it through the task of massive dehydration 24 hours before fighting? It just doesn't make any sense. I know that everybody does it to gain a competitive advantage, but wouldn't it be better if it was just all even, even weight, like honest, like fuck this competitive advantage shit.

If everybody just, first of all, there should be more options, right? I think we all agree on that. I think that's how you solve the problem. You can't have a 170, then a 185, then a 205, then a 265 and expect people to not cut weight. They're going to fucking cut weight, 100%. Your options are fight gorillas at uh 265 or you weigh 230 you know we're gonna deal with fucking shane carwin on top of you or something like that and you're a 230 pounder fuck that you got to make that 205 yeah you're gonna suck it up because there should be a weight

class every 10 pounds and i think with fighters like what really matters what everybody cares about is who the best guys fight. The best guys fighting the best guys. Whether Nurmagomedov and Conor McGregor had a belt or not. If Nurmagomedov didn't have the 155-pound belt and Conor McGregor didn't have the 155-pound belt, it would be worth more to watch those two go at it at 155 pounds than it would for me to watch maybe Eddie Alvarez defend it against somebody else.

You know? Like, I just want to see like, if it's not Conor or not some high-level guy, I'd be more interested in seeing the high-level guys who don't have the belt. But if you were to make more weight classes, then you get super fights. Yes. It's all good, right?

Yeah. You get the 160-pound champion versus the 150-pound champion, and it's like this is a fight that people want to see because it's not that much of a difference. You know, they gave people a little bit of a break by letting fighters weigh in early now. You can weigh in between like 8 and 10 a.m., and that way by the time the weigh-in ceremony goes on at like 4 p.m., you're fully hydrated, you look good, you don't look like death anymore like connor when he fought chad mendez remember that

last time he made 45 you're like what the fuck like he looks he looks like like a dying person and then he's gonna fight for a world title 24 hours from now that's a ridiculous practice it's ridiculous yeah that that was my thing i'm not i'm not huge for the weight class but i was decency size for the weight class so i could get down like 153 the day of the weigh-in so i would cut to about 153 and then get a put put about two and a half pounds of food in my body food and water and that's why at weigh-ins i was happy i was never miserable i was never sucking it up i mean sometimes that's smart you overcut and then balance it out interesting but i i was small enough to do that the option yeah yeah usually those last three pounds are

like that i wake up fight morning i'm sorry weigh-in morning at like 158 maybe. If I'm heavy, I'm 158. Most of the time I wake up at 56, 57. Well, I mean, I think you were lucky in the sense that you were in that, your body fit right in there with that weight class. If you were a little bit bigger, maybe it would be an issue. Like maybe what if you were a little bit bigger but not quite big enough for 170 you know yeah like a diego sanchez diego is kind of a tweener right he was a guy that really struggled to make 55 i remember the first time i saw him when he made 55 i'm pretty sure it was in england and i remember going jesus like he looked so drawn out at the weigh-in he looked

terrible and then he got it balanced out he figured out how to do it but i don't think ideally his weight would be 55 i think his ideal weight would probably be like 65 yeah or 60 you know somewhere in that range i think if they went 50 150 160 or 155 65 75 85 i mean they could do it that way easily but 10 pounds i think is like the right the right number so you think the four or five pounds of boxing is too too small of a weight it's interesting because i think it's more of a factor in mma than it is in boxing and weight yeah and boxing has more options right so it's kind of kind of interesting in that way but obviously boxing has just got way more history you know it's been around way longer and people were smaller back then too so it's not like you can eliminate

slapsy maxi what was he is he a light heavyweight no that was billy khan was a light heavyweight right and i forget what when they changed it but i mean heavyweight was 154 pounds and up way back in the day really yeah 154 pounds more than 154 was heavyweight like in in the early like probably like 20s and 30s whoa yeah well I thought even in California it's over 71 75 or something like that supposed to be trying to think of like classic and technically box is a heavyweight over what 176 i think wow that's crazy remember when roy jones jr went up to heavyweight and beat john ruiz holy shit remember that yeah you know he's still fighting yeah makes me sad yeah i love that dude

when i was a kid he was was like, he was Superman. Roy Jones Jr. would fight rounds without getting hit. Like, nobody ever did that before. He was so good. You ever heard of Willie Pepp? Yes, of course. Sure. You heard about him?

Yeah, he won a round without actually throwing a punch. Yeah. That's awesome. He won. But in the history of CompuBox. Yeah. He said he was going to do it, and then he went and did it. He said it between rounds, and then he went and did it.

You just couldn't imagine anybody at that time in particular having better footwork. It's amazing where boxing went. Because if you watch some of the old Jack Johnson stuff, you watch how they used to hold their hands differently they threw punches differently you know and then you see some Jack Dempsey like okay well this is starting to become a little bit more like modern boxing this is like some savage fucking railroad hobo dude figure out how to fuck people up you know I? I mean, Jack Dempsey was a scary cat. When you said some savage hobo dude

that doesn't fuck people up, my first thing in my brain that hit me was Crazy Horse. If it wasn't for MMA, Crazy Horse would be that dude at the 7-Eleven that's outside that you think he's on something. But he will fuck you up.

He will fuck you up quick, too. Crazy horse can crack a lack. Did you see the fight he just had at, I think it was Horizon? Yeah. One punch. No, he was a beast. And still is.

He's a fun dude. I hung out with him one night. We watched K-1 together. We were in the front rows. Him and his girlfriend, me, and I can't remember who was with me. I think it was Eddie Bravo. Oh, it was Eddie was eddie bravo and uh we watched k1 in la you remember when k1 came to la and they had mma fights and there it is charles crazy horse bennett there he is rather he was

is a special dude some serious fucking power had some real problems outside the cage, though. Just was involved in quite a few altercations. Yeah. So this was, was this before or after he had that brawl with Vandalay? This was last week. Oh, this was last week. Two weeks ago. Oh, this was that fight. I don't know which fight this was.

And then he went crazy. He went after Vandalay. He's crazy. He went after Vanderlei. He's crazy. He's crazy for sure. Yeah, he's crazy. Well, he apparently had had a street fight with Vanderlei. It was in the locker room at Pride. Yeah, in the locker room at Pride.

Marcello, who was it that put him to sleep? Cristiano Marcello put him to sleep in a triangle in a street fight. And apparently he woke up and then went over to Vandele and knocked him out cold. I don't know what the fuck happened. And then they jumped him and beat him up.

And Vandele went out after he got knocked out cold and then went out and fought. So he fought in pride. Was it Vandele or Gage Horst who went out and fought. So he fought in pride. Was it Vandele or Crazy Horse who went out and fought that night? No, I think they both fought that night. I don't remember whether Crazy Horse fought after he knocked out Vandele, but I'm almost positive that Vandele fought after getting KO'd.

Really? Depending on who you're asking. Right. The problem with those pride stories is I definitely wasn't there, but it's pretty much agreed upon that Crazy Horse in some way punched Vandelay Silva in the face, and it was not a good thing. And it's pretty much been proven that Cristiano Marcelo choked Crazy Horse out in a triangle.

Got him in a triangle. I've seen the video. He puts him to sleep. For sure. So those two things, we know one for sure happened and the other one it's it's pretty much known that they had some sort of a fist fight and they crazy horse punched him and crazy works keeps saying i'll knock you out just like i did the last time motherfucker you know what happened yeah you know what happened i knocked you the fuck out so that

seems to indicate that that's what took place i don know. But Vandeley went out and fought after that. That's fucking crazy. If he really did get knocked out, that is fucking crazy. Then he went out and he fought after that. In Japan, you can do anything. Yeah, this is the fight, Jamie. You found the street fight. So this is when they go after each other.

And Cristiano Marcel winds up on the ground with crazy horses trying to fucking ground and pound him you never seen this Joe so Joe I've seen it showing yeah this fight in this year for sure yeah this was uh proof that jiu-jitsu works real good when you got jeans on it's hard to get away from those jeans oh he gets free and he goes right back into it. Yep. Looking for some more ground and power. This is going to be a good kickboxing fight. We should probably watch this.

Because this is the finals. Stylebender fucked up. He changed his shorts. Those fucking shorts were dope. Oh, he did. Dick. What do you think? Why do you think he did that?

Sponsors probably. Yeah, probably. Smart, but the other ones were doper. Well, they were more flashy, but this you could read the sponsors better. Do you think that's why he wore them first? Just to be sure that they got their TV time? They were like a... Oh, fell down. And who's the gentleman he's fighting again? How do you say his name? He's the guy who looks like Chris Camosi's brother. I don't know. What's his name, Jamie? Brizari or something. Brizari.

Belgaru. Belgaru. Garoy. Belgaroy. Give us a little volume so we can hear homeboy's name. This is ESPN 3. Have you ever watched ESPN 3 before? Nope.

I didn't know they had kickboxing on ESPN at all. Yeah. We're going to air this on Sunday afternoon, too. ESPN is? Like normal ESPN on TV. Okay, Sunday afternoon. Oh, nice right hand over the top. I'm waiting for this dude's name. Hey, Joe Schilling, how come kickboxing is so much more popular in Europe?

I think the promoters promote it better, I guess, and the TV deals might be different there. I don't really know. But isn't it kind of crazy that it just took off so big in Holland, it's big in France, it's big in a lot of places. Yeah, it is. It's really frustrating. But it's just way bigger over there.

And in Holland, it's like they're like national sport the american sports entertainment market is kind of self-contained though yeah no yeah it is kind of right right but don't you mean look obviously we're attracted to this so i'm trying to like solve this puzzle if i was an investor which i'm clearly not well i just think it comes down to the promoter it's like this is I'm enjoying these fights but like that arena is empty is it? it's like three rows of seats

that's it? oh wow that's crazy oh my god it's crazy how deserted it is these bad decisions and they don't promote it. As I was saying earlier, it's like you have the, you know, us wanting to watch it. You have the quality.

These are good fights. Yeah, very good fights. What's missing? Why hasn't it taken off? You have a TV deal. Here's why it hasn't taken off. I think I just figured it out. Remember on some of those um

street fight videos and masvidal used to fight back in the day and they would say no kicks no kicks right yeah they would people would complain about that i think like and now people are just now starting to accept it because of mma or whatever but I think boxing history in the U.S. for so long and America being such a self-contained sports and entertainment industry, so self-contained in the sports and entertainment industry that people just don't want to see kicks. It's foreign to most Americans.

It's not what we're used to here on this side of the world for the most part. Think about that. I think there's probably something to that. There's probably something to that, what we're used to here on this side of the world for the most part. Think about that. I think there's probably something to that. There's probably something to that, but what about Bruce Lee? Yeah. It's cool to go watch his movies, so it's cool to go watch Jackie Chan's movies.

Bruce Lee, Van Damme, every UFC hero of all time. It's not that. It's just promoting. I think it's just bad. People, they get these opportunities to make mistakes and they don't do a good job doing their only job to promote it. Well, I think it's really hard to promote, man. I don't think it's necessarily that simple. I see what you're talking about, though, as far as the size of this arena in particular.

When have you ever seen a Glory advertisement, like a commercial? I don't know. Ever? Glory or kickboxing in Americaica needs to do something oh oh he just got tagged stylebender was standing in front of him just trying to move his head and he got clipped he got timed and clipped with the right hand he got hit hard oh and he went high beautiful kick. Oh, my goodness. Belgaro. Belgaro, there we go.

We got his name. This is awesome. Belgaro's no joke. He's a big, tall, skinny dude, too. When you see a guy like Semmy Schilt, that's when you realize how much, like when utilized correctly, reach plays a factor. He's got his timing down.

He's slipping that right hand often, but he's trying to come back with that left hook. Belgaru. Belgaru. Is that how you say it, Jamie? Begaru. Begaru. Begaru. Begaru. Re. O-U-I. Bagari. Bagari. Bagari. Re.

O-U-I. Like we. Re. Bagari. Okay. He's from Tunisia. They probably don't even use our letters. Do they?

They probably got some cryptic Celtic looking speech. What does Tunisia use for language? Tunisian. Tunisian. What does Tunisia use for language? Tunisian? Tunisian. What does it look like? Does it look like Russian? I'm just guessing. Like Russian to me is the coolest shit ever

because it's like you're reading some forgotten scrolls. You know? It's almost like it has characters. What is it, Jamie? Arabic. Oh, it's Arabic. Okay, so their writing is in Arabic as well? Interesting.

Yeah, Arabic and Hebrew. Hebrew is another one. That's a cool-looking language, right? It looks like. They also speak French, apparently, which might be where his last name comes from. Oh, that makes sense. Bulgari. Interesting. The world is. Belgarie. Interesting.

The world is so much more diverse than the 818. Man, you say that, but when I came here from Texas, I was like, I mean, Texas, I thought Texas was pretty diverse and it is in its own right, but in Texas, I felt like there were,

there was, in Houston specifically, there is a part of Houston that's a Vietnamese community. Then there's a part of Houston that's a Hispanic community. And then you have black and white people. But you come here and it's like, there's Armenians and there's Russians and there's Vietnamese and Koreans and Chinese and Japanese. And everybody's here. This is really diverse compared to what it's like in Texas.

See that shit? There you get cracked. Hope they show that again. It was a beautiful right hand. Do you feel like in particular like you were saying about the Confederate flags you feel like uh like in particular like you were saying about the confederate flags you feel like houston and texas in general still has just a little too much old stupid shit going on there in terms of racism and mentality and yeah and it's it because it doesn't exist everywhere. Right.

And I'm sure it's kind of even hidden in some places, but it's hidden everywhere at some point. But in Houston, inside the city, it's pretty diverse as far as those communities that I just mentioned. Those people are pretty well represented. But then when you get on the outskirts of town, and there's a lot of outskirts. Because here, I mean, everybody's in a small area. It's like I drive 10 miles here and it takes me 30 minutes. But in Houston, 10 miles takes me 10 minutes. I see.

There's so many more people here in such a smaller area so and also it gets rural real quick yeah in texas yeah for sure it gets it gets wild pig rural you know yeah if you get on if you get on a highway if you're on a highway in texas in any direction you start and stay you start in the center of houston you get on a highway in texas in any direction you start and stay you start in the center of houston you get on a highway with no traffic any direction in 30 minutes you're you know you're not in the city anymore you're you're where houses are far apart and they're huge and they're you know and there's ranches yeah people have giant swaths of land with... Probably 45 minutes. Wild pigs running around.

Yeah, Texas is a trip. It really is. It's one of the weirdest states. It's one of my favorite, though. It's such a wild, crazy place. But, yeah, it's very unique in that aspect, like how big it is, too. It's big. We got 85 mile an hour highway.

Remember when 55 was the limit yep what in the fuck was going on with people 55 that was crazy that is crazy was just so foolish just like come on we're not talking about like a model t you know these cars are safe and competent at above speeds why is the speed limit 55 and my car says it can go 140 yeah it's just stupid i mean not that you should be going 140 but you know what that's an interesting argument about the autobahn man i mean i don't necessarily know it's a bad one either like let adults do whatever the fuck they want you know just have good etiquette move over when there's a faster car coming behind you. What's the statistics on that? I think the Autobahn is actually safer.

Yeah, I would bet. People get the fuck out of the way. Like, there's some bad shit going on. They need to get out of the way. That's the other thing. I saw something a couple days ago. I don't remember where I saw it. If I can find it, I'll send it to you.

But they were talking about how people get over out of the fast lane on the Autobahn. People don't stay in the fast lane. They just use that lane to pass and then they get out of that lane. That's what it should be. That's what it should be. That's the passing lane, right? That's what it's supposed to be. LA, they just have total disregard for that shit.

I've never been to a place that has more disregard for the left lane than L.A. Really? Yeah, nobody gets out of the left lane. I watch people get mad. People pull up behind people and I watch them get pissed. What the fuck? What the fuck? Oh, you must be new.

You don't know. Because in Boston, people, first of all, they have small roads. Like in Boston, you could be on a highway and there's two lanes on each side. Yeah. There's some stupid little rinky-dink highways They were invented pack when people rode buggies and horses and shit. They just paved them Yeah, they just paved over those fucking things. That's how you got to get to the Cape You gotta take these to get to Cape Cod you gotta take these stupid-ass roads

They're like two lanes long in some spots or two lanes wide in some spots, so when someone's coming behind you There's no options just get over you know so people usually respect that left lane new york has a lot of that too man like there's a lot of like rinky-dink streets that you wouldn't believe on the way to the airport when you leave new york and you got to go through uh what is it queens or what is it that you got to go through brooklyn depends on which airport right laguardia and jfk either way you leave manhattan those towns that you have to go through there's sometimes you're driving on these little tiny ass fucking super narrow roads you're like this is it this is all these fucking people are going to the airport. Like, this is crazy. But you get used to that 405 in L.A. where it's just lanes on this side, lanes on that side.

I lived in Houston, man. I-10 in Houston, in the Katy area. There's five lanes on heading west and there's five lanes heading east. I think it's five. And then there are two or three where we have you don't have them here feeders we have feeder roads and service roads in texas so next to the highway if i wanted to drive from downtown houston to katie which is probably 15 to 20 miles i can do that next to the freeway without actually getting on the freeway because

i if not because but there are people that do this because they're afraid to drive at those high speeds so there are stop lights at every intersection on this feeder road that's next to the highway it's a 35 mile an hour street but it feeds right on to the highway there's a picture of it right there yeah so those little roads on the side yeah those roads feed onto the highway when you exit you exit off onto the side like that. That's actually a really good idea. I don't, I think, do you see how much road, that's 13 lanes of road. Or 14 lanes of highway. More the better.

More the better. I'm not into waiting. I think we should just make it all highway. Why are we fucking around right we need to have floating houses and everything else is highway you just shoot right up to your floating house it's what point in time do we tell people we can't build any more houses we're i think about things like that if we if we if we survive if our species survives for another couple hundred years yeah

there's going to be no more trees or plants like everything is going to be house then we have to build up well there's a lot of space right now but there's so much more people now than there's ever been before like by a long shot yeah think about like think about the uh the increase in people over the last just Just a few years. Over the last century. Yeah, I mean, I think we were talking about it once where it was 1970, there was 2 billion people on the planet. Was that what it was? No.

What is it, Jamie? I looked something up while we were talking about this the other day. There's some people say that we could be in a decline right now, too. Those people are assholes. That'd be nice. Smarter, younger people are not having babies. Whatever. I've heard that argument before.

I think it's horse shit because the dummies are having 15, 20 kids that make up for those smart people. They know decline's going on. There might be a decline in smart people. In my New York borough,

I've noticed in my co-op, there's a decrease in smart people having babies. Everybody should be allowed to make one copy. Yeah, there's a lot of copies out there of some really shitty original work. That's part of the problem. Like, just the sheer genetic tools that you had to work with were not the best.

Okay, here it is. Japan, I don't know about this. Well, Japan has a giant issue. They have a weird issue. They have an issue of a lot of people that are choosing to not get married, not have sex. They have people that are choosing to stay at home. Like, really, as they're getting older, massive population decline. Wow.

I don't want to hear the decline. I want to know, what was the population in 1970? World. World population, 1970. So U.S. was 200, 200 million. So it's 300 million 50 now, 350 million now? Billion. So 3.7 billion in 1970.

So since 1970, the world has doubled the world doubled and the united states has gone up uh by 50 percent right so i guess growth is what's slowing wait so the world is double 50 not 50 of the world doubling okay right 50 of what the united states was the united states was 200 million and now it's 300 million plus. Right. That's 50%, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot.

But the world has doubled. So the world went up 100%. So we are at a slower pace than some of those poor fools that live in other countries. Those poor people not blessed to be American. After this decision, I need an audio pause so my tape doesn't stop here. Oh. But something might happen with the TriCaster. I can't.

Something might happen with it? It says I'm running out of space. What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know if that means it's going to cut the whole thing. Israel, Edesanya. I don't need the space Israel Edison yeah okay well let's pause now okay we'll be right back is a YouTube still up okay so what's wrong with the TriCaster so it says I'm running out of space. It says there's less than, like, two gigs of space left right now.

On the TriCaster? Because I record and stream at the same time, just in case something goes wrong. So the recording is going to stop. I don't know if the stream is going to stop. Hmm. But you don't need that recording anyway, right? Yeah. I don't know if it's going to shut the whole machine off or not, though.

Oh. I don't think it will. That's not good. But, uh, all right, we're good. Do your best, young Jimmy. We're not talking right now. Israel Adesanya's got his nice cup there. Won his trophy. are we back?

back up? oh okay so yeah man the world population has gone up double and the US population has gone up 100 million at one point in time if you think 1970 3.7 million and now more than 7 million

what is that going to be 50 years from now? Is it going to be double? Is it going to be double again? Is it 14 then? What does that mean? What's the likelihood it's 14? Oh, that's the world. So that's billions.

Yeah, and look what they project by 2050. They project 9 billion. Yeah, the world's billions. It's interesting. So between 1950 and 2050, in 100 years, it goes up 7 billion. Woo! Good Lord. Spread out.

There's a stat that says that the whole population could fit in Texas. Have you ever heard that? Yeah, those people are assholes. Nobody says that as an asshole. Spots in Texas that you can't live in, there's just Gila monsters and fucking cactuses and shit. If you had the fucking, all the population, you try to fit them in Texas, they wouldn't have eaten each other. There'd be no food.

Yeah, yeah, you could kind of fit them physically, but not resource-wise. Texas is a good place to go, though, if the shit hits the fan. It's hot. It's hot, but there's a lot of people that have though, if the shit hits the fan. It's hot. It's hot, but there's a lot of people that have figured out how to be off the grid, or mostly off the grid there. You'd get 1,000 square feet per person if we got 6.9 billion people in Texas, which there's still 500 million people left over.

So what does that mean? That you could get a thousand square foot apartment yeah but that doesn't mean not even apartment i think it's like literal feet on the ground like oh i see space of a thousand no way everyone can fit in texas okay so they wouldn't be able to so they like the physical size of the people would not be able to fit there's too many people to fit like we would overwhelm the entire state if we just stood there. Yeah, and there's so many fat people. Look at that fucking stat.

I was confused as to what you were saying. The land mass of Texas is 268,820 square miles. 7,494,000 Oh, 7 billion. What is that? Is that even billion? No, that's not billion. What is that? Trillion? 7 billion. What is that? Is that even billion? No, that's not billion. What is that? Trillion?

7 trillion. 494,271,488,000 square feet. Whoa. Interesting. So, no. Close, but not quite. That's a lot of fucking people, man. Gotta feed all those fucks.

They all need food and water and a place to shit. You know? You use the rest of the continental United States for farming. Yeah. So everybody's just standing, and they go out to the garden, and they come back and stand. They go out, and they shit in the hole of death, and they go back and stand. They just have a pipe that runs through. Everybody has their... All seven billion people on the planet shitting into this one tube.

And out of that tube mixes with our terrible pollution, shit monster is born, crawls out, kills us all. That's, ironically, that's what did end. There you go, son. Bam. That's one of the things that did end a lot of civilizations is their hygiene. You know, a lot of civilizations had serious problems with their sewage, like figuring out how to get their shit away from everything. That's what's going on in India now, isn't it?

I think so, yeah. Is it like Mumbai or cities like that when you're not in? I mean, I guess when you're out where some of the poor people of that country or city live. They don't have indoor plumbing or? No, there's people that are living really poor for sure. And that's just one part of the world, right? I think it'd be pretty humbling if any of us ever went there and spent some time there. So I was thinking about this the other day when i saw i saw some some relief aid going to haiti right and it's like yeah

something bad just happened there but there are places that are in that same situation without something bad happening and there's really no aid going to them like is it only a good good thing to help people when when a tragedy happens if if the capability is still there it's a good point it's a really good point it's a very good point yeah it seems like people wait until everything goes terrible before they step in to help yeah right but those I mean, they were still suffering from a hurricane a couple years ago. Yeah. You know, it's almost like we're getting close to the point where, you know, when you see all these GoFundMes and all these campaigns like that, it seems like if someone had figured out a way to attach a purchasing app, amazon.com or something like that and attach an option to donate to specific charities like you could set that up and they would just round it

off like say if you're buying something that's three dollars and fifty cents they round it off to four dollars and just do that with everybody and no no matter what it would be, it would round up to the next dollar. And so you just take all that money from all these purchases. I mean, think about how many millions of dollars a day must be generated by a purchasing app like Amazon.com. And if you just round it off to the next dollar and donated all that money,

think about how much crazy shit could get done. I mean, the sheer amount of, if everybody agreed to do that, look, everybody hates pennies. Fuck nickels. I don't like nickels. I'm not into dimes. They're annoying. They click around your pocket. You can't really buy shit with them, right?

Round it off. Round it all off. Round everything off. If we all just agreed as a society that no matter what the money is, it's $4.64, round that bitch off to $5. And that money goes into the be a good human pool. How many orders does Amazon get per day? 36.8 million items. items yeah but there's i mean there are some people that are that are that are if if their thing costs three dollars and 17 cents that 87 that 83 cents means a lot to them and they don't

want to give it they gotta wake up they gotta wake up we're all in this together if you can afford to buy that new toothbrush that electric toothbrush with the darth vader sounds you can afford to give that extra 30 cents to those kids in Bangladesh. We're talking pennies here. We're literally talking cents. I don't think those cents do mean a lot to the individual, but I think they mean a lot collectively. I think when you're looking at millions of orders, that could be an insane force of good.

If Amazon wanted to get people to love them again, because sometimes people hear about the people that work at Amazon, apparently it's insane. If you're working in the factory, you've got a timer that goes off when someone's order gets placed. You have a clipboard, one of those iPad things, and there's some sort of a timer on it, and you've got to run

to where the item is and get it in a box quickly. It's like super tight ship they run over there they get everybody to love them again it sounds like something you did that a company like that would have automated yeah like somebody places in the water this robot goes and grabs it and no no you got to go get stuff huh these? These people have written. I mean maybe some of its automated Yeah, but I know the people like a tree Like a big claw arms. They want to do with drones Really? Yeah, they want to sell you shit right wrong. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How about them apples?

Yeah, show up at your house with a fucking UFO. It's carrying your new boots. How How many people with hunting rifles just... Just for fun. For fuck yeah, for fun, man. I had to get free stuff. Well, some people get super bummed out if people fly drones over their head.

You know? Especially if you're a young lady and you like to give the old tits a melanin blast you know nobody can see in your yard there's a fence i'm just gonna lie here and tan my breasts in here you know like every teenager with an iphone, those fucks searching for tits. Especially in the warmth of the summer. But I mean the warmth of the summer.

It was fucking 93 degrees today. It was crazy hot. Dude, this place is nuts. Yesterday was brutal, too. We're about to see an awesome fight, and we haven't even talked about it. Nikki Holtzkin. How do you pronounce Grownheart's name? Myrthel?

Myrthel. Myrthel? Myrthel? Myrthel. Myrthel. Myrthel? Myrthel. Myrthel Grownheart. First fight, super close. Myrthel, wasn't that the lady from Sanford? No.

Who did Fred Sanford used to scream for? Oh. Oh, Ethel. Was it Ethel? No, no, no. Elizabeth. Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you, honey. That's right.

Merthyl sounds like one of those old times you need. You remember people got mad at Rashad after he knocked out Chuck because he did that? They did? Yeah, people got mad at him. Yeah. Rashad is the nicest guy in the world. Super cool. Super cool guy.

When people would get bummed out about him or get shitty about him, I'm like, what? Really? I feel the same way about Cormier. When people boo Cormier, I'm like, really? Are you not seeing what I'm seeing? How could you boo that guy? I don't get it. I don't know AI.

No, people don't like him for some reason. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I just can't say it anymore. You shop Amazon Gives. They already have the same thing? Amazon Smile.

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Nature Conservator, Operation Smile. Nice. Oh, that's cool. That's nice. But then who is auditing those charities? Yeah that's a problem that's a problem we're we were uh going over that one podcast we're trying to figure out how much of your actual donation goes to the charity and how much goes to fees and the people that work there getting paid and the rent and all the overhead all the overhead it's not a

lot it's like there's a business of charity and the people that work for those charities they get paid well you know and they should i just t-bow is a big dude yeah gronhardt just tagged nikki holskin with a couple good shots. Oh. We're back up now. We're back up? Oof. See, this to me is so much more interesting than boxing. The way these guys are switch kicking each other and fucking each other with this.

Like, this is like really technical striking all around, up and down. Like, when you get to this level, this to me is like there's so much more going on. And it's so much more likely to have something going on than if it's just boxing. You know, there's way more boring rounds, in my opinion at least, in boxing than there is in high-level kickboxing. We back up, Jamie? Back up, Eve Edwards. Awesome. That's where you had him in trouble.

Yeah. Yeah, he tagged him. He hit him there again. He hit him a couple times really hard. And you can see Holtskin taking some some big deep breaths it's quite a little exchange there this guy's a savage how do you say Mike Pessinier how do you say his last name? These are all these tough names Mike Pessinier boy that guy trained a bunch of savages

Oh yeah Like I used to It's weird how he used to bring Melvin out Yeah dude like on a chain like a dog Remember that? Melvin loved it Oh yeah he was getting unchained

Dude Melvin was crazy Back in the day I mean You talk about a guy who Unchained. Dude, Melvin was crazy back in the day. I mean, you talk about a guy who lived by the sword, died by the sword. He, like, started the whole Gladiator shorts thing, huh? Yeah, yeah. Not everybody does that. Not every chick has that.

Every chick? Well, why is it that so many uh thai shorts bind up on the legs like you always see thai guys like rolling their pants up rolling their shorts up i think that happens more so like that's like their thing because in thailand it's like 180 degrees and they usually have like these really cheap like the old thai's my nylon shorts and so that becomes like your habit like your tick when you're pulling your pants up like that all the time i see but it's also like insanely hot and humid over there so and then that kind of becomes like your style just to pull your pant leg up or whatever it just seems to me like particularly for MMA, there's no benefit in wearing shorts. I feel like tights give you way more benefit because no one's grabbing them.

There are moments in fights where dudes get their shorts grabbed, and those moments, they pay off for the guy who grabbed the shorts. It's happened before. Guys have gotten takedowns. They've defended takedowns that they maybe wouldn't have if it wasn't for a short grab. They've controlled positions for brief't for a short grab. They've controlled positions for brief moments with a short grab and then the referee didn't see it or the referee

did see it and they said stop grabbing the shorts but they had already did it. All that could be eliminated with tights. But then if you're wearing tights and you get caught in a Kimura, how do you grab your own shorts? You don't. You don't. Don't get caught in a Kimura. Don't get caught in a Kimura. You grab your dick. Just reach down and fully latch on to your cup.

And it's myrtle, I believe. Myrtle growing hard. That's the only time where shorts would help you, though. You're right. Grabbing your arm to defend a Kimura. Grabbing your pants to defend a Kimura. It's kind of weird that you can do that. You can grab your own shorts. Yeah, what the fuck

is that? You can grab your own shorts to defend yourself? Yeah. That seems weird, doesn't it? No, I don't think so. Should you be able to grab your shorts to choke a guy? Like, if you wrap your leg around a guy's neck, right, and then you reach behind, like, the back of his head, and you almost, like, Ezekiel

choke your own pants and choke him with your own shorts can you do that I don't I can't imagine the position but I don't see why it seems like somebody should have come up with that already I just don't see how you get your arm I guess well this is what I'm saying if somehow or another you had like your leg your leg, like, your thigh, like, right here, over the guy's neck, and you went behind his head, and you grabbed a hold of your shorts, and you just straightened your leg out, you're choking that guy out with your own shorts.

Yeah. It's like an Ezekiel choke, like one of those old-school judo-style Ezekiel chokes with the collar. I bet you it's legal. I know one thing I've seen dudes do is they finish chokes by holding onto their own gloves. Yeah. Like they've got a hold of a choke and they're literally got a handle like underneath where your tape is. And you can cinch up a choke with that handle and it's very effective.

Is that legal? Because it's your own hand? I don't know if it's legal still. I don't know if it's legal now. I should know it's legal. I should know this. I should know this. Let's find out. Jamie, see if, is it legal to choke someone

in MMA while holding onto your own glove? Because you definitely hold your glove if you're doing a guillotine, like a lot of guys do a guillotine like this, and they clamp down on the glove and they do it this way. But I think the issue is in grabbing inside your glove because then it's like you've got a leather handle.

I mean, if you can get all your fingers in there, that's a really good grip. Yeah, but I still don't see why it wouldn't be legal. I guess you could get your fingers in here. Yeah, you could for sure. You can get your fingers in there that way and they wouldn't even be able to see it. Yeah.

Yeah, you could do the top of your hand. It's an interesting argument. You know, I just don't think you should be able to grab clothes, period. Like anybody. You, him, no one grabs clothes. Don't be grabbing clothes, dude. Don't be grabbing clothes, bro. No clothes.

Or we'll let him fight with a gi on. Yeah. If you keep grabbing clothes, then everyone everyone's gonna be fighting in tights dude it was awesome back in the day to see hoist crazy with a fucking gi on go in there and just wrap guys up drag them down strangle them no denying it was awesome it was different that's for sure fuck yeah it was i watched that first because back then I was doing traditional kung fu. So the first guy I wanted to see win was Jason Delucia. Oh, yeah, man. Did you ever see the street fight that they had in the Gracie Dojo War series with Delucia and Hoist?

I feel like I saw that. Yeah. Once. It was this grainy old VHS copy. Yeah. Delucia was, you know, he knew how to fight. He just didn't know how to defend against jujitsu and hoist mangled him but then that was before the ufc wasn't it yep and then they fought

in the ufc and then hoist armbar him so hoist had already fought him in a dojo war first and just do not just demolished him do you remember dojo storms yeah dude those are all real those happened did you ever take part in any i didn't take part in a dojo storm i took part in having to deal with guys that came over from other schools that wanted to like test themselves like and most of them were there was a lot of them they're just delusional and crazy there's a lot of people that came to martial arts schools seem to be nuts yeah you know yeah Did you ever see that video? It's a really disturbing one. We played it a couple of weeks ago of this guy who was a karate teacher in Connecticut,

and he was also a cop, and him and his students beat the fuck out of this homeless guy. They brought the guy in, and the guy was just a crazy person. He was saying he knew karate, and he was throwing crazy kicks and shit. And so they had essentially a fight to the death between him. The black guy, like, he was just a crazy person. He was saying he knew karate and he was throwing, like, crazy kicks and shit. And so they had, like, essentially a fight to the death between him. The black guy, right? Yes. Yeah, but, like, so I didn't know because I thought, oh, this looks ridiculous. But then when the guy was actually trying to kill him, he was, like, doing really well with his fucking made-up shit.

Well, the guy that he was fighting. Maybe he is a black belt. Maybe this is cook food. He probably knew how to throw a few kicks here and there. But the other guy, I mean, it wasn't long before he was on his back and the other guy was stomping his head. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like a five-minute fight or anything. He threw some flippy shit, but eventually the guy beat the shit out of him.

But the point is that, like, that was like a crazy person. They almost beat that guy to death. When they're dragging him away, you see the blood from his head as they're dragging him away. There was a lot of that going on in martial arts schools. But that scene, that was older than the 90s. That was old, right? Yeah, I think that was the 80s. Yeah.

Yeah, there was no MMA then. It was NHB. I mean, there was no MMA then. Yeah. But. It was NHB. I mean, there wasn't even NHB then. We had Hickson in. And Hickson was telling us the stories of the old Luta Libre rivalries between the jiu-jitsu guys and the Luta Libre guys. Yeah. He would go there.

And there'd be guys waiting. Yeah, there is. Josh Thompson against Pat Healy. Yep. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I remember bringing it up.

Very smart. Smart way to seal up a choke if it's legal. But Hickson was talking about these crazy dojo wars. If you ever listen to that podcast, it's a fucking, if somebody wants to hear a good jujitsu podcast from a master, just having a conversation with the master, like Hickson, he's not just the master, but a real pioneer, you know? Yeah. A real pioneer of jujitsu.

Anyway, his dojo stories are fucking crazy. Yeah, wasn't Kron telling you he has a video of one of his house? Yeah. Yeah, he's got the Yoji Anjo video. The Yoji Anjo video is legendary. Because Hickson, this dude Yoji Anjo, came over from Japan. This badass pro wrestler dude who challenged Hickson Gracie. And Hickson said, yeah, okay, we'll do this.

This is what we're going to do. You're going to come in here. I'm going to film it. And everybody else is going to wait outside. And then whoever's left standing, they'll leave. So he takes him down, beats his face into a tomato stew, and apparently filmed it. And then they took pictures of the guy after he left.

There's photos of Yoji Anjo leaving, and his face is just a pulp. In front of all the media. I think I've seen those pictures. Yeah. So Hickson just beat, beat him. Just beat, beat, beat. I remember this story. Can't get him off him.

He's just mounting him, beating the shit out of him. And then he decided to choke him unconscious. But he taped his fists up with duct tape like Hickson on the way over there. He rode his bike from his house. And he rode like a 10 speed there. And on the way, he's like fucking taping his hands up with duct tape. And he gets out and just took him down. He was not just the way, he's like fucking taping his hands up with duct tape. And he gets out and just took him down. He was not just the best, right?

In that time, it was like completely undisputed. Like nobody said, well, then there's Hickson. And well, the other argument is that this guy's the best or maybe this guy's close. There was no argument. There's Hickson and there was everybody else. So this poor fool came over from Japan and just completely fucked up. And Hickson just beat his brains in. Beat his brains in and strangled him.

And then this is where the G Hickson is. He doesn't even release the tape. He's like, no, I don't have to look at it every now and then. But that's mine. I feel like I've heard this story before. That's awesome. He's like, nah, I like looking at it it's mine now you i think you just confirmed the urban legend for me because i feel like i heard pieces of that places oh it's real

it's real huh one of my happiest moments as a martial artist was i had dicks i had uh dinner with hickson and his family and uh crone when he was younger crone was like um i want to say he was 16 maybe 16 or 17 at the time. I think he was still in high school, though. I'm pretty sure. Hickson was still married. We had dinner, and then we all went back to Hickson's house and watched fights. And Hickson was just analyzing positions and talking about mistakes people were making

and talking about the right way to do things. And he pushes shit aside in his living room. He pushes the coffee table aside, and he pushes shit aside in his living room he pushes the coffee table aside and he's like i'm gonna get in your guard i want to show you some positions and he's like talking about positions like that you know he was talking about like mistakes that these guys in this fight tape they were watching we're watching vhs tapes and we're watching guys who'd made mistakes and this is what's wrong and this is why jujitsu is all you need when you have the best jujitsu like he was he had this crazy crazy way of analyzing like positions you know it's really interesting to

talk to him about like everything starts neutral it's like we started neutral position he goes but once i get to one he goes there's no going back to zero he goes i go from one and then i go to two and then to three and then checkmate but as the way he said it was like oh shit but it was the way he said and once i go to one we're not going back to zero it was just this is i mean this is the words of a man who strangled many a motherfucker yeah once i start setting you up you're done yeah i mean he just was so just eternally confident and this is when he was still thinking about fighting fedor he hadn't fought since 2000 he fought in 2000 he fought funaki who was probably one of his toughest tests you know funaki fractured his orbital. Remember that? He fractured Hickson's orbital?

He fractured Hickson's orbital with a punch. And then it wound up being Funaki on top kicking Hickson's legs on the bottom. And Hickson was trying to up kick his legs, trying to up kick his knees. And then somehow or another, they got into a scramble. And then Hickson got his back and Hickson choked him to sleep. What was that event? I forget the name of the event. Coliseum. Coliseum.

Coliseum. I used to have the poster. I used to have a shitload of those fucking posters, man. But, yeah, so Hickson, that was his last fight, and that was, you know, that was a fight that everybody, a lot of people had said, like, what would happen if Hickson fought a guy like Funaki? Yeah. Like, he was one of the examples examples because he had fought in Japan,

Valley Tudor, ran through everybody, and there had been no one that had presented any real serious challenges to him. Then he fought Takada, ran through Takada. Remember that? Yeah. People forget Hickson was in Pride No. 1. Hickson was the guy who launched Pride. It was like KRS.

Do you remember that? It was like KRS Pride. KRS 1? The promotion. No Pride It was like KRS Do you remember that? It was like KRS Pride KRS what? The promotion No, it was like KRS Pride K something I feel like KRS sounds right Yeah

Dude, we're barely watching this awesome fight When Hickson was fighting in Pride They were called some shit That's another thing they need on Fight Pass They need to put Choke on there Oh yeah, no doubt, right? The Choke documentary is one of the greatest martial arts documentaries

of all time. No, the greatest. What's better? That's the greatest. It's the greatest. You know? Details him going through that Japan Valley

two-dough crowd. Dude. When I first saw that, I tried to do that stretch. You know, like how he was twisted like a pretzel? Yeah.

I've been trying to do that ever since. I can't do it. Well, he can't do it anymore either if that makes you feel better. Because I don't think he can. He's got quite a few injuries, though, from all of his years of jiu-jitsu. Yeah. Nobody rides for free. Yeah.

But he was like one of the first guys to incorporate yoga into his training. Look at that stretch. Look what he's doing there. He was seriously into yoga. He had ridiculous posture or ridiculous balance, rather. You ever see that shit he did on balance beams? He would walk on one leg and then lift his leg completely over his head in a standing split.

Wasn't that on choke? Might have been. If it wasn't, it was on something else similar to it. This is a fucking good fight. We're barely paying attention. I have no idea who won. Well, I've been kind of paying attention. I still couldn't tell you who's winning yeah no clues right but I do now know the Yuji Anjo story

I know that now Yoji Yuji Anjo yeah yeah that's apparently a completely legit story it's definitely legit that he did it to him and apparently completely legit that he has the tape but that's just what a gangster he is like he could sell that tape he can make money off that

tape he's like yeah it's mine it's mine and he's also the guy that like he had a price like he said look i'll fight for this amount if you don't have that amount i'm not fighting and that was it I mean there was just no negotiating yeah I mean he in a lot of ways he raised the expectations that fighters had for purses yeah because he always had very high expectations for himself and very high requirements

you know and people said that he was like pricing himself out of fights but he had just decided I think like this is what I'm worth right and this is either I get this or I think, like, this is what I'm worth. Right. And this is either I get this or they don't want to pay me what I'm worth, so I don't fight for what I'm not worth. Yeah. Or for less than what I'm worth.

Is this the main event? It was. We'll be doing a 20-hour podcast here. What the fuck? This thing started at 6.30. That was the undercard. I know. We didn't know, though.

I thought we were here for the fights. Groon heart. I mean, yeah, groon heart. Groon heart. Do you think he won? Groon. I think Nicky won. He looked a little sharper, but I wasn't paying that close attention.

That's a real problem, isn't it? Yeah. Bunch of fucking blabbermouths. Nicky looks like he was in a fight, though. I think we talked about some important shit, though. I like stories. Yeah. I like stories.

That's what I sounded like. I do, too, man. I do, too. But I do love stories. Yeah, like a Hicks and Yoji Anjo story. Those are like legendary stories. Like, if you went back and you read about the tales of miyamoto musashi and his all the sword fights yeah you'd want to hear about those from someone who actually knew about them and they could tell you about them like we're we're so lucky

because like obviously it's not the same as sword fights but these crazy legendary martial arts stories they happen in our lifetime so it's not like we're hearing about something from the 1400s we're hearing about some shit that happened in you know the year 95 yeah kind of cool they'll know that's really cool I'm gonna tell you something I would recommend or you might like this I don't know my son he just turned 13 this summer but about two or three years ago he was like 10 or 11. We were in Austin. I was like, you know what, Yvonne? We're going to do a podcast together.

So we sat down and we talked for an hour. And it's just for me. And I'm going to leave it for him. But we talked about a bunch of stuff, and it was one of the coolest conversations I've ever had. You should probably do that with your girls because when they're older, and if you're gone when they're older, when they're your age now, right? They'll have that to go back and listen to if they want to. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, have a little conversation with them on a recording.

Yeah, that's a really good idea, man. I'm going to do that with my daughter. I'm going to do it with my mom. That's a really good idea. My dad died when I was 12. If I had a tape of us talking i would you know what i mean yeah just imagine having that yeah everybody ever i would recommend everybody do that just grab if you have an iphone or whatever you just talk to your kid for a bit

and we talked about so many things we were talking about i was like if you could go back in time if you had a time machine what would you do where would you go he was like i don't know to the 1900s and i'm like i grew up in the 1900s what are you talking about right and then um and probably kids look at the 1900s like oh man back in the fucking old days so like things like that i then somehow we got to talking about my dad and um about me being a kid around my dad and he was like if i had a time machine i would go back i would go back and meet your dad you know what i mean right like and that's what made me think no this is something we should do because then if he decides he wants kids or if he has kids or whatever

if they don't meet me, they'd have that. Yeah. If he wanted to share it. No, that's important. That's a good point. Oh, shit. I didn't see that. He spun him down.

I hit him with a knee on the way down. Wow. Every time I was looking, it was... I was thinking a little bit. This is a crazy fight. So, I think Joseph Valtellini is saying that he came on too late. He needed more. We'll see.

Valtellini had to stop fighting because of head trauma, right? That's what he said. That's what I heard. Yeah, he said he was having concussion syndrome. He's been pretty open about it. How many times has he been knocked out? I don't know. Do you think it's from being knocked out?

Well, Nikki Holston stopped him. Probably just shots to the head. Shots absorbed. Wow, Nikki Holston got hit way more. Hey, Schilling, do you know that there used to be rumors or people wanted to see Joe Rogan in the octagon? Oh, my God. Do you know about the rumor about you and Blade, Wesley Snipes?

Yeah, yeah, I've talked about that before, but that was actually supposed to happen. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that wasn't just a rumor. At the time i was willing i just like i know you know jiu-jitsu at all i was like what are the odds he's gonna keep me off of him i just didn't i just i just didn't think that anybody who didn't know any jiu-jitsu could learn it quick like i was already a brown belt by then i was just i just knew what happened when a

brown belt fights a white belt i'm like i just can't imagine and i know how to stand up and even if i i wasn't good at striking anymore like as i was when i was a kid i'm good enough to know what to not do and where to not be and if i get a hold of someone who doesn't know jujitsu i'm pretty sure i'm choking the fuck out of them and that was my thought i was like this guy really wants to do this i was like i i know he I know he's never wrestled. He never had a competitive martial arts match, whether it's a kickboxing fight or a karate fight. I was like, I'm going to choke the fuck out of this guy. I'm going to get a hold of him and I'm going to squeeze the shit out of him. And they're going to give me a lot of money and he's probably not even going to get hurt.

That's what I thought. And it turned out really what it was was just he was desperate in a real bad situation with the IRS. They were trying to figure out some way to generate money. One of the ways they said, look, let's just see if we can come up with a crazy pay-per-view fight. They wanted to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme in some pay-per-view fight. The guy they brought it to was this guy Campbell McLaren, who is one of the original producers of the UFC. And he's like, look, nobody's going to pay to see you and Jean-Claude Van Damme fight. I disagree. I'd pay for it. But they said, no one's going to pay for that. You know, you have to fight someone who's, I think the word he used was current. So he said, would you

fight Joe Rogan? This is when Fear Factor was on. And he said, yep, I'll do it. Let's do it. And so they came to me and I went, how much money? And then they started talking. I said, okay. I said, I'll do it. And they're, are you serious? I go, yeah, I'll, yeah, I'll fight that guy. I was like, okay, let's see what happens. And so, uh, then there was like a bunch of changes to the contract. It was supposed to be 50, 50, then it changed. And I said, okay, to that too. I said, whatever, let's just do it. Let's just do it. Come on, let's do it. And I was training for it for quite a while. I was training for it for a couple of months. And I was fucking tired all the time.

I was training with Rob Kamen and I was doing jiu-jitsu. So I'd be hitting pads with Rob Kamen and sparring with him and sparring with some of his students. And then I'd go to jiu-jitsu. And I was fucking tired. And it made me. I always knew how hard it was to to be a professional mma fighter i'd seen people work at it i'd seen guys struggle i'd seen guys like connor hewn was like a young guy was coming up in the amateur ranks and i was seeing him fight out of legends so i knew the

requirement of it but until you i mean the piss-ass amount of training that i was doing in comparison to what it is to fight in the ufc or something like that it just gave me way more of uh an appreciation for just how much how much it takes out of your life because it's not just the amount of time that you're spent training it's like when you're done training you're fucking tired and you're not going to get a lot of other things done and if you do do, you're going to be cranky, right? Yup. So that was the story behind it. And he just decided not to do it, apparently.

And when it became more obvious that they didn't want money, they wanted to put him in jail. They wanted to put him in jail and set an example. I think this was all while his court case was still going on. I don't want to talk out of school because I don't know what the exact issue was, but they wound up putting him in jail for tax evasion because he had some guy who apparently was advising him incorrectly about how much taxes he had to pay or whether or not he had to pay taxes at all. I don't know the whole story, but that was what was going on.

He was just in desperation mode. I always thought that was a rumor. No, that was real. I remember you mentioning it on a broadcast at one point. Because he wasn't signing the contract. Because it was going on for a long time. And I was like, what are we doing? Like, am I doing this?

Because if I'm doing this, I'm not doing anything else. Like, I need to know if I'm doing this. And I was training a lot then. So I was like, okay. So now you're getting pissed. I was getting pissed at a certain point in time. But that was when I was training jiu-jitsu a lot. I was getting pissed at a certain point in time, but that was when I was training jiu-jitsu a lot.

I was training several times a week. Who knows, man? He might have fucked me up. Totally possible. But I was pretty sure I was going to choke him. It was just one of those things. If it was like Michael Jai White or something like that, I'd be like, fuck that. Mario Lopez knows how

to box. He used to wrestle. Fuck that. Not interested. Some dude who's never done jiu-jitsu, huh. I just feel like there's only so much you can do. You know, like. White belt, brown belt. Do you remember the first time you got mauled in, like, a jiu-jitsu class?

Yeah. Isn't it weird? Like, the first time you get mauled, you're like, I had no idea someone could do that to me so easy. Yeah, I got choked by, I was like 18. I got choked by a 14 year old.

I'm serious. He was like 14, 15 years old. I didn't know what I was doing. Of course. There was a kid at Carlson Gracie's place that used to torture me. I was a white belt and he was a purple belt and he was doing. Of course. There was a kid at Carlson Gracie's place that used to torture me. I was a white belt and he was a purple belt and he was no bigger than me. He was no younger than me. He was like my age, my size, and he used to just rape me. So it's just no denying that this

dude, if we were in a fight, he would be able to choke the fucking life out of me. And I would only be able to hold him off for a certain amount of time it was just i was a white belt i didn't know what i was doing and he wasn't nice about it either he was smash you but that guy taught me a lot it taught me a lot because i wrestled in high school and i'd done a lot of uh martial arts tournaments as far as like taekwondo tournaments and i'd done some of that american kickboxing and i had a totally delusional sense of how much i could keep someone off of me like in terms of grappling yeah i really had no idea it was just so humiliating nobody knows nobody knows nobody knows they don't know any grappling striking whatever one has like this false sense of security i had to tell that to a

friend of mine i had to tell that to a friend of mine who was a grappler i had a buddy of mine who a really good guy was black belt in jiu-jitsu he's like i'm gonna take an mma fight like okay like why are you gonna take an mma fight he's like well you know it's kind of a bucket list thing i want to do it you're gonna dabble in this you're gonna compete you're gonna fight like we had these one of these conversations like how are you gonna do this and i'm like you know what you can do to a guy because he's a black belt okay you know what you could do to a guy on the ground that doesn't know what the fuck he's doing someone could do that to you standing up and it's way worse it's way worse because if a guy takes you down strangles you you're done

you tap you like you get up your neck is a little sore you're gonna be fine and go to work the next yeah if eve edwards shins you across the dome that's not a fun time that's not a fun time when your legs turn into rubber and they give out from you and the world's spinning and you hear that's exactly right it's exactly right it's terrible it's a terrible place to be you know yeah it's just one of those things that i don't think people realize until they see it happen or until they do it to somebody like it since they can't do it to somebody they don't i don't think they realize that someone could do it to them i think everybody everybody should at least once every man anyway once in their lifetime hear that yeah you know yeah feel because that that's a different state of exactly it's just like a car accident people don't realize

it when they get in a car accident it's that same like buzz yeah like when you see when you see those films if you've never experienced that when you see those films whereas a car accident or a big hit and they they do that effect just imagine all of that but inside your own head yeah it's really just like that for about two to three seconds as it clears up i remember when tito ortiz body slammed evan tanner and KO'd him with a body slam i remember uh just watching that how he got the clinch on him hoisted him up in the air and just slammed him to the ground and i remember thinking like so few people understand that a guy like that could just do that to you yeah imagine that on the street oh my god right in front of a bodega he just slams you on a fire hydrant like that.

Yeah, here it is right here. He got the body clinch. Boom. Just KO'd him with a slam. That was when Tito was in his full prime. I mean, we've seen that. Why doesn't that happen more often? That seems like that. Guys are better.

Yeah. Yeah, you're not getting body locked. Guys are better. They're better at adjusting on the way down, too. Guys are realizing the consequences of that head getting into play. They're protecting themselves. Because a lot of it is, in the body slam, you're also getting head butted. You know?

I don't remember who it was. But it can still happen. It was around the turn of the millennia. It was around the turn of the millennia. Millennia. But somebody got picked up in that body lock, and they were dumping them, and they posted. Do you remember this? I feel like it was Jason DeLucia.

And he posted. And snapped his arm? No, posted on his foot. Posted on his foot. Posted on his leg. If somebody remembers that. If I find it, I'll send it to you. But I feel like somebody got body locked. Uh-huh.

And he got picked up with that same slam that Tito tried to hit, which just hit on Evan Tanner. And as he's tilting. He posted with his feet? He flipped his feet over his head? He's getting slammed this way, but he reaches out with his leg to stop himself. I think I saw that. Oh, really? I want to say I've seen that.

Huh. I can't remember. I only saw it once because I'm not looking at that again. But it was, yeah, it was bad. His leg snapped?

I think he dislocated his hip or something. Oh, Jesus. I feel like it was Jason DeLucia. But I don't remember for sure. Now that you're bringing it up,

I have this fucking shaky memory that might just be you introducing a false memory into my head. That's what they say the FBI does to people. Is that what they do? Yeah, man.

I believe it. They introduce false memories. They can do that now. Were you there, Joe Rogan? I don't know, man. Was I? I don't know. You tell me, man.

I'm getting fucking confused. Yeah, we've seen a lot of people get fucked up. Yeah. I think about it. I asked my wife one time how many fights she's seen. I can only imagine how many fights you've seen a lot of people get fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. I think about it. I asked my wife one time how many fights she's seen. I can only imagine how many fights you've seen. I've seen a lot of fights. Yeah.

What's interesting is you and I have seen fights from the beginning to the, well, obviously the most recent era is almost always the best era in every sport, right? Right. But this is the best era. I mean, the elite athletes of today are probably the best of all time right yeah i i watch watch ufc broadcasts at home and i feel like i'm watching i didn't think i'll be watching this on television in the capacity i'm watching it now that i can see it and now like these these guys, I see the fight. I see these guys enter the octagon.

And it's like I'm watching the NBA in the 90s, early 90s. Or I'm watching the NFL in the mid-90s. It's like this is becoming something that is a real sport. The UFC is a league, and this is a real sport that people actually respect. And this is going to become a part of the culture. Yeah. People are going to, their kids are going to grow up to do these things. For sure.

I didn't think I would see, I didn't expect, no one expected this at this point even. I mean, I thought it was exciting. I thought it was going to go somewhere, but I didn't think it was going to be this quick. No, you're totally right. It's amazing. I mean, and that's because the balls of the fatigues cough up all that cash you know get 44 million dollars in the hole and sticking

with it and then eventually the ultimate fighter finale airs stephen bonner and forrest griffin put on that crazy show and then it all springs from there it's pretty incredible that you're you're looking at today you know know, major events on Fox. That's giant. I mean, they're huge. They get millions and millions of people. Giant pay-per-views. And then Connor and Ronda, these two huge stars that have sort of transcended the sport,

and they become these Pulp Fiction, like, icons, these characters, these Pulp Fiction humans. They become, like like something exaggerated when when the ufc had to move when when um they got banned in new york and they had to move the event you were you working the backstage reporting that was my first one dothan alabama i didn't know if i was gonna have to fly to buffalo new york or dothan alan Alabama last minute it was Dothan that's like this is just a while ago and now it's like Madison Square Garden yeah that was 19 years ago that was 97 crazy yeah and now it's in Madison Square Garden with the fucking nuttiest card of assassins that's ever been put together there's no better example of the fight game at it being at its highest level now than that card like that card i mean look at all the killers on that card yeah it's just chaos the

whole card's just chaos yeah from top to bottom that's a lot of cards you can get by without watching a fight but there's not one on there that i don't i want to miss yeah no it's a nutty card it's almost like show up at a chick's house the first time you bring diamonds and roses and chocolate and champagne what the fuck you gonna do the second time just bring your dirty dick she's like what happened all the fucking diamonds bitch where's the champagne like you almost can't make this card again yeah this card's so good. The next time we're in Madison Square Garden, people are going to be like,

what the fuck is this card? This fucking card's bullshit. Last time they were here, we had three title fights. Plus, Romero versus Weidman. We had that Guestlum versus Cowboy. It's going to be horrible. It's going to be horrible. It's going to be just like a girl that thinks you're tired of fucking her. It's going to be horrible. It's going to be horrible. It's going to be just like a girl that thinks you're tired of fucking her.

It's going to be the same thing. Oh, you think you're just going to come over now, huh? You don't even have to bring diamonds. Is that going to be like a once a year thing? I think Madison Square Garden will for sure be a once a year thing. The question remains, did they decide to rub it in the face of all those corrupt cocksuckers that kept it out of New York for so long and keep generating these gigantic super mega cards in New York so it shows everybody the massive amount of revenue that it brings into the city,

not just in the actual ticket sales itself, the taxes that are generated from the merchandise, but then all the affecting businesses. They're going to see a boom from all these people that are leaving that are going to go to bars and restaurants, and they're going to see a boom from all these people that are leaving. They're going to go to bars and restaurants. And they're going to see some of the craziest shit they've ever seen in their life. So when people see crazy shit like that, they spend a lot of money, man. They start drinking and fucking eating crazy food. It's going to be giant financially for the city.

And if they decide to just throw a mega tsunami card like this one once a year that would be like they've got the other mega tsunami cards right it's usually like the july 4th cards usually a giant one the december 31st card is usually a giant one super bowl yeah super bowl one's usually a pretty big one too maybe this one too but this is kind of almost to to make a point yeah 19 year fucking years of corruption. 19 years. 19 years it was kept out of New York. It's a long time, and it's not like they didn't see the sport.

The sport wasn't broadcast in New York. The sport wasn't banned from the state, visually at least. So it wasn't like these people don't know what they're missing the fans anyway all the you start getting a homegrown group of guys coming out behind matt sarah you know you get those long island guys you get weidman's you get henzo's guys yeah and these guys are local and they don't get to fight at home because because you have a problem with something you're corrupt and it's got millions of pay-per-view buys yeah so if you're putting on like whether it's ufc 100 or ufc 200 or you 201 you're getting into these hundreds of

millions of people all throughout the world that are watching something that you can't have in your state yeah like what the fuck are you doing it's crazy It doesn't even make sense It's so stupid There's millions of fans all over the world Of MMA now Absolutely not, I do not want your money Well it's just keeping it out for You know the whole reason with the culinary union Allegedly

It's all alleged Joe Schilling I've checked out too I'm just still talking for some reason. Let's just shut the fuck up and wrap this up. We've talked forever. It's been a long show. Eve Edwards, we finally got you on, but we got you on for a doozy.

I mean, all the time that you've been talking about doing this podcast, now we got you on for five fucking hours. That's like a two for one. This was a fun glory, guys. It was a fun fight companion. We should do these for some other fights. Maybe for some other Muay Thai fights or glory or something like that. It was good times, right?

Sounds good. Yeah, it's good times. All right, Joe Schilling, good luck on December 10th. Don't pull out of your fight to watch Badr Hari versus Rico Verhoeven. Who are you fighting? I'm like, uh. Who are you fighting? The Thai like, uh. Who are you fighting? Italian guy.

He has a name I just don't, I haven't lived through how to say it yet. He's good. He's good. He's like, he's got like 60 fights or 64 fights. 60 fights. Something like that. He's got a ton of fights. And that's taking place in Europe?

Yeah, it's going to be in Florence, Italy. Oh, wow. For tour cake boxing. Florence is supposed to be the Yeah, it's going to be in Florence, Italy. Oh, wow. For military kickboxing. Florence is supposed to be the shit. It's supposed to be beautiful over there. I'm looking forward to it. And then who else is on the card? The main event is Carvalho and Melvin Manhoff rematch.

Alessio Scar is on the card. Kevin Ross is on the card. Beautiful. Beautiful. And Eve Edwards, they can get you at Thug Jitsu MMA. What is get you at Thugjitsu MMA. What is your Twitter? ThugjitsuMaster. ThugjitsuMaster.

Yeah. And what about Instagram? Instagram is the same, ThugjitsuMaster. Easiest way to find me. We finally got to the bottom of the name. That's awesome. All right. This podcast is over.

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