The Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - September 3, 2022

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

Joe is joined by Eddie Bravo, Bryan Callen & Brendan Schaub to watch the fights on September 3, 2022. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! Wait, is this fight tonight? What the fuck are you talking about? I hate you, I hate you. How about that?
Starting point is 00:00:18 I thought this car was trash, now I'm looking at it going, this is exciting. Who the fuck are you talking to? I didn't talk to anybody. Why would you listen to them before you do this? Maybe I heard one guy. You haven't done this in so many years, and you didn't even prepare for a second. Nothing. I'm excited.
Starting point is 00:00:34 Jamie, whiskey. I know these fights. Whiskey? Please. What's that? Did you throw up on air? I'll get it. Let me educate Cal on this fight card.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Why would you text me a joke? I don't know. In fact, somebody said, nobody's fighting. I go, okay. Who said nobody's fighting? I'll get it. Let me educate Cal on this fight card. Why would you text me a joke? I don't know. In fact, somebody said, nobody's fighting. I go, okay. Who said nobody's fighting? I don't know. I'm looking at it going, what the fuck? Just so you know, it's UFC Paris.
Starting point is 00:00:52 It's the first time UFC's ever been to Paris. The main event is Cyril Ghosn, who's from Paris. And Taito Avasa. Taito Avasa, who's been on a 5-5 win streak. Yes. And then the co-main event. So whatever friend you have that said this fight sucks, slap them. I don't even know who it was who said it.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Alright, so the co-main event's Whitaker and Marvin Vittori. I'm very excited about that. Fantastic fight. I got Whitaker for that. Why are you lying? You don't give a fuck about that. You gotta look at your phone while that's going on. You don't know. I watch the fights way more than you guys do during fucking fight campaigns. How do you? How weird is that statement?
Starting point is 00:01:23 I get caught up in them how weird is that statement by the way that's a certified that's a fact you guys are talking about jujitsu grips and I'm lost in the fight give me your fucking glass so I can pour you some tiger thick it's very good whiskey with the worst fucking name ever come on how dare you it's a bad
Starting point is 00:01:40 name but the whiskey is very fucking good what's the name tiger thick it's bourbon and Japanese whiskey mixed. But it's legit whiskey. It's very good. I'm already getting the heebie-jeebies. I know a lot of people that have the alcohol brand, but it's not legit.
Starting point is 00:01:56 This is very legit. Are we on air? Cheers, boys. The crew is back. Hey! It's been forever. Holy shit. Hey, it's been forever. Holy shit. Yeah, what, about four years? Well, the pandemic and it's like we didn't do one.
Starting point is 00:02:12 It was hard because we'd have to get one that wasn't working, right? So I work all the North American ones. And you're in Austin. We weren't doing it that much. Yeah, and I'm here now. And then tour dates. So it's like everyone has to be in town. The last time all four of us were together is literally 18, I think.
Starting point is 00:02:27 1987. Last time, boys. Good to see you guys. Reagan was president. I just got puked. It was sometime in 2020, for sure. No, I don't think so, Eddie. No way.
Starting point is 00:02:39 No shot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah? For sure. The four of us? We did one during the pandemic? That's when Callum blew the whistle and started everything. Oh, that's right. You blew the whistle and started every little problem.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Oh, that's right. You blew the Aztec death whistle right before the pandemic. Dude, you caused all this. I apologize to everybody. I got that thing tucked away in a box. I'm not superstitious about many things, but that Aztec death whistle, after he blew that and the whole world fell apart, I'm like, everything went to shit. Maybe that's not good, because that was a real one. That's a real one from Mexico.
Starting point is 00:03:10 That's a real one? Oh, yeah. Well, you could have told me that. Ed Calderon brought me that back from fucking Mexico. That's a legitimate Aztec death whistle. And I was bored. I was like, ah, we're doing this. I'm going to go, life is great. Here it is.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Well, tell me to play it. Sure. Bro, you blew that. See. Well, don't even play it. Sure, bro. You blew that Whatever. Apparently the Aztecs... That was only my second time doing it. Wait, which way is it? This way? That way, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I think you gotta cup it. So they would... The Aztecs, when they were taunting the enemy, they would do that on the hillside. Like, while they were camped out and sleeping, they would keep them up all night and psychologically fuck with them. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Thousands of them at a time, blowing that death whistle. That's scary. Let them know death's coming. Not very smart. It sounds like someone he's already an expert. And Eddie goes, this doesn't seem very smart. All right, what is the first fight here?
Starting point is 00:04:14 What is the first fight here? Wonder Boy. Just kidding. That's a very muscular Wonder Boy. Yeah, it is. Who's this gentleman? What do we got here? Probably from some Eastern European country. The actual card on the other side. A lot of Canadians, a lot of French. muscular wonder boy yeah it is who's this gentleman what do we got here probably from
Starting point is 00:04:25 some eastern europe let's put up the um there's a lot of french guys a lot of canadians a lot of french a lot of canadians because they speak french so here's the card uh it's prelims so you got oh nathaniel wood and charles jordain okay this is a good fight. Anybody with a Russian name, he's winning, so we can just move on from there. Interesting. That's not true. That's not true. Okay, if he has a chin strap beard and he's from Dagestan. I mean.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Could be a problem. Not a bad bet. Yeah, not a bad bet. I like that Chinese-looking Russian, Shavkat. Oh, Shavkat Rakhmanov. Savage. My motherfucking God. He's the most under-the Russian, Shavkat. Oh, Shavkat Rakhmanov. Oh, my motherfucking God. He's the most under-the-radar guy ever.
Starting point is 00:05:12 He's the most under-the-radar guy ever because everybody's avoiding him, and he doesn't have a big name yet, but he should. Dude, he well. Wonder Boy's like, no thanks. Yeah. No bueno. Yeah, that guy's scary as fuck. He's a solid wrestler and a solid striker, too.
Starting point is 00:05:24 He's got a wicked spinning back kick. Yes. Yeah. He's throwing all sorts of shit. All those Dagestan guys can do everything, man. He's got a wicked spinning back kick. Yes. Yeah. He's throwing all sorts of shit. All those Dagestan guys can do everything, man. It's so wild. Is he from Dagestan? Oh, no, he's not. No, no, he's not.
Starting point is 00:05:31 He did have a big... No, my fault. No, he's not. He's from another country. Well, it's like Chechnya, Dagestan, Russia. Turkmenistan. So, one of them. Kazakhstan.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Could be. He has Asian features. Hard, hard, hard part of the world. Hard people. The hardest. The be. He has Asian features? Hard, hard part of the world. Hard people. The hardest. The hardest. Well, the Asian features like in Kazakhstan stuff, that's where Genghis Khan rolled through heavy.
Starting point is 00:05:54 His fucking DNA is in, what is it, like 5% of all the people over there? When going? That's why they're tall though and Asian. They're just big. It's a whole dick. But think about it. There they grow up wanting to fight and destroy people. Here we want to play basketball, baseball.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Well, not only that, but there they know there's a legitimate path to unbelievable wealth. Yeah. Like, for their people? Like, imagine if you're like a fucking goat herder, and then all of a sudden someone comes along and says, hey, you know all that wrestling you did as a kid? You can go to America and fuck everybody up. And they're like, oh. But also, if you win gold in the Olympics, you're kind of set for life Putin's like won't you jump over here
Starting point is 00:06:27 or that's hatched Ian guy yeah oh yeah he's so many is on fight Lee yeah there's so many hard hard fucking men from that part of the world they're taking over it's just a matter of time well you know what it is man at an early early age they start training I mean think about Khabib yeah Khabib, he was getting after it when he was a little fucking kid. Him and Makhachev. Yes, Makhachev. They're also trained properly, right? So technique with boxing, wrestling, it comes from that Russian system.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah. Even the way they train, their conditioning, they don't get injured a lot of times. And then you've got guys like Zabit who fights like a fucking taekwondo champion. Like, where is that coming from? Insane. I mean, and he does everything. Sweet, sincere.
Starting point is 00:07:10 He retired? He retired? Man, he said he got fucked around by the UFC. He said they'd say one thing and do another. But then he also, I think that's part of it. But then also, he just maybe fell out of love with the game and has another option. Was he, like, trying to be a fucking doctor or something? A nurse?
Starting point is 00:07:23 Is he a male nurse now? Is he a gay lord fucker? Right? I don't know. Meet the fuckers. I'm not even trying to be mean, but is he a male nurse? Gay lord was fucking, he was a nurse. Yeah, gay lord fucker was a nurse.
Starting point is 00:07:37 You're accurate. You're being accurate. That's why you're homophobic. No, I think Zabit is trying to be a real doctor. I think he has some other plans. As opposed to what? The kind of doctor you are? Yeah, a chiropractor.
Starting point is 00:07:51 A bro doctor? I'm a chiropractor. I'm a bro doctor. You got your finger? I provide lots of bro medicine. Oh, dude, that's my brand. Come on, son. This guy, that flying knee is what I use a lot.
Starting point is 00:08:01 I was a doctor to Aaron Rodgers. Love Aaron Rodgers. I love him, too, man a doctor to Aaron Rodgers. Love Aaron Rodgers. I love him too, man. Favorite player. That guy's the shit. He's the shit. Yeah. I like him.
Starting point is 00:08:09 He's such a good dude too, man. And I know you don't follow football. Oh, I followed him. I've watched him play. He's a motherfucker, man. No, no, no. He's the guy. Yeah, he's the guy.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Him and Tom Brady. He went against like- George St. Pierre! He went against like the COVID protocols and still won MVP. Okay, this is the very beginning of the first fight. So here we go. And one guy's way bigger than the other. Round one.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Way bigger. 4'56", 4'55", 4'54", 4'53". So if you're going to sync it up, sync it up to that. And here we go. Jordan in the gray shorts. Jordan's a lot taller. And Wood in the red shorts. Is he?
Starting point is 00:08:43 Wow. I mean, way bigger. Wood is good, man. He's a wicked striker. And so is Jordan. This is going to be a lot taller. And Wood in the red shorts. Is he? Wow. I mean, way bigger. Wood is good, man. He's a wicked striker. And so is Jordan. This is going to be a good fight. Oh, nice inside low kick. He's standing right there in the pocket.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Look at that. This card's made for excitement, the way it's lined up. Like, they're giving you a good product. No, yeah. First UFC in Paris. Gay Paris. No Francis, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:00 My parents are over there right now. Really? They're not at the fight, though. Because they're lame. They're visiting, like,, though. Because they're lame. The French has a whole thing, a whole kickboxing. Like, who was that guy on Tough who was a French kickboxer who would come in a little bit drunk? Oh, St. Peter's boy.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come in hammered and fuck everybody up. Beat up everybody. He knocked the guy out. They're like, dude, you can't do this. How do you say his name? Jean, I can't remember. He had a striking class he was offering.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Oh, he's a wicked kickboxer, man. Savage. You should watch his Muay Thai fights. He's the Bert Kreischer of kickboxers. What's his name? He just drinks. What about Bukow? Well, there's a lot of those guys in Thailand.
Starting point is 00:09:34 They drink and smoke cigarettes and then beat the fuck out of everybody. Good for them. They're living, dude. It's crazy. It's crazy. They smoke cigarettes and fight. Thailand's insane. Well, Joe Schilling.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Joe Schilling smoked for most of his career. What is his... It's him right there. There he is. How do you say his name? Look at his body. Jean Charles Skarbowski. Just built like a chubby cow.
Starting point is 00:09:53 That sounds like a Polish guy by way of... You would never imagine if you look at that guy's build that he could fuck you up. Never. Talk shit to that guy in the bar, he's going to head kick you. He fucked everybody up, too. And he's got some great fights you could watch on YouTube, man. He's so technical. And, you know fucked everybody up, too. And he's got some great fights you can watch on YouTube, man. He's so technical. And, you know, there's something that comes from being drunk.
Starting point is 00:10:09 There's a lot of I don't give a fuck. Yes. That's really good for fighting. Yeah, being loose and not giving a fuck. I mean, so many people are hampered by nerves and they're just paralyzed. Look, he's got a gut. He's got a gut. He's got a little beard.
Starting point is 00:10:22 God, just fucking guys up. Yeah, he's got some great fights and George you know told me he trained with him he said man it's fucking crazy
Starting point is 00:10:31 this guy come from the fucking bar and fuck everybody up dude he had a problem because he was knocking the cast out on the fighter
Starting point is 00:10:39 he was brutalizing these guys they're supposed to fight he knocked the dude out they're all hey man he's supposed to fight he's throwing a They're all Hey man He's supposed to fight You spar
Starting point is 00:10:45 Throwing a winner In the way You know what I mean Like just chucking him But he's not even trying To knock them out No It's just his thing
Starting point is 00:10:51 He's not swinging hard He's just connecting Guys that have no business In their sparring No No no You don't need to have that guy in there Some of those guys
Starting point is 00:10:56 Have like fucking six months Of sparring Yeah Ever Yeah yeah And all of a sudden They're in the ultimate Because this is early days right
Starting point is 00:11:01 Yeah dude This is like Which number of tough was that? Was it St. Pierre, Matt Hughes or some shit? Yeah. Old school, man. Old school. That's what the Ultimate Fighter used to be for.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Oh, shit. Jordan just landed on a nice right hand. Oh, shit. You know what took over the Ultimate Fighters? Dana White's Contender Series. Yeah, darn. That's a great fucking show. Oh, it's the best product UFC has.
Starting point is 00:11:23 I don't like all that in-house drama. You don't like the real world? I don't watch Big Brother. I don't give a fuck. You guys want to argue over stupid shit? You want to get drunk and call each other bros and drink beers and wrestle naked? There's some good moments on The Ultimate Fighter. I like when someone was fucking with Matt the Immortal's dip.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Yeah. And he was like, what? Yeah. And then you realize that man is a fucking straight up assassin. Savage. That is the wrong dude to fuck with. Matt Brown is the wrong dude to fuck with. That's a guy who died and came back. Yeah. There's a few of those guys
Starting point is 00:11:54 like Court McGee. Yeah, man. Court died and came back. Those guys are scared. They scared the fuck out of me. They've seen the other side. Matt studied with Louie, right? Yeah, Louie Simmons. Yeah. Yeah, he's got his own line matthew mortal has his own line of strength and conditioning equipment too and it's really good stuff he's a great guy he gave us a bunch of shit he gave us his sled he gave us his hammers you know he's got these big fucking hammers for slamming tires with
Starting point is 00:12:19 and shit yeah he's awesome i love that dude and then if you look you know obviously the the ultimate fighter creates some monsters And that's how I got my ticket to the Charlie factory, but the the contender series I mean this is very good stars the guys coming up now We're a fucking level of in the amateurs and then getting their first couple of fights. They're so good dude Have you seen Bo Nichols? Yes? I have he was a house very wrestling pedigree is ridiculous. Bro, it's, I mean.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Is he on that show right now? Well, he fought in Contender Series and they didn't give him a contract in the UFC because he only has like three fights. He fought twice on there. So he's fighting again end of September. If he wins that one, then they're giving him a contract. I had Laura Sanko on Food Truck, which drops this week, this coming week. And I was like, for Bo Nichols, get him some experience these mop in the floor dudes I think as long as fights like a minute he's just destroying guys yeah I said just even contenders let me be the
Starting point is 00:13:11 champion contenders series get all this experience and then go the UFC right well honestly like if I was coaching a young fighter at this point in their career I would say stay out as long as you can correct and really develop your skills because it's a marathon on sprint right and if you win a couple of fights and then all of a sudden you're in there against someone who's like way more experienced than you and you're not ready for it brendan shop no i hear you yeah a setback like that can really fuck you up man a real bad setback how many really good fighters have we seen that had potential in boxing they would take that guy and they would slowly set him up with a guy who's a little trickier a guy who's would slowly set him up with a guy who's a
Starting point is 00:13:45 little trickier a guy who's a little like moves better maybe a guy who's more of a slugger and try to test him out against all these different kinds of guys and then find out what the fuck makes it you know what do you miss it in your game you get all that experience but the ufc's learned the ufc's learned i think they learned off darren till right they pushed him into this spotlight i think darren till can champ, but he has to go back to the drawing board. He's got a fucked up knee, man. Yeah, he's fucked up, but he has the skill set to do it, and he has the personality to be a superstar.
Starting point is 00:14:12 But they fucked up with him a little bit, right? Fighting Liverpool, getting knocked out by Woodley and all that shit. So then, I think they learned, because look at what they did with Sugar Sean, O'Malley, look at what they're doing with Patti Pimlet. They're like, let's slow play this, let's build the experience and then get them going. And now Sugar Sean went, okay, it's been enough time with the learning.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Here's fucking Peter Yan. Yeah, Peter Yan and Sugar Sean. Sugar Sean is a really interesting fight because if Sean's legit and he beats that guy, he's fast-tracked. That's it. He's fighting for the title. And then you got Marlon Chidovera, my man Chido. That's my guy. He's fast-tracked. That's it. He's fighting for the title. And then you got Marlon Chidovera, my man Chido. He's on fire!
Starting point is 00:14:50 He's on fire! Knocking out Dominic Cruz. Holy shit, man. Clean. Clean. You're seeing a lot of that. You're seeing a lot of veterans getting retired. You're seeing a lot. That's UFC's model.
Starting point is 00:15:04 You see a matchup like that, you're like, okay, that guy's going to get knocked out, and he's going to retire. Or, you know, Paula calls to Luke Brockhold. Didn't get knocked out, but said, you know. But, you know, Luke did a post the other day from his sauna, and he said, you know, I'm not closing the door. I want to get my body right.
Starting point is 00:15:23 I'm still all fucked up. And he said he was drinking too much. He said he drank, like, all the time, and it fucked him up, and now he's trying to get healthy again. And he's just trying to get his body right. And at 37, you know, maybe he's got a year or two. But he looked good in that fight, man. He looked so good.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Fighting at altitude. If he had acclimated to that altitude, he got there on a Wednesday. Or maybe even a Thursday. If he had acclimated, if he had gotten there two weeks before, in my opinion, I think he beats Costa. I think he's... You need to shut the fuck up. Why?
Starting point is 00:15:52 You don't think so? That doesn't mean he beats him. No. To be ready. What if Costa got there too, Pete? Do you think he's a better striker than Costa? Because I do. This is what I...
Starting point is 00:16:01 I think he should have had a tune-up fight. I think if that was the smart thing to do have had a tune-up fight. Yes. I think if that was the smart thing to do. But he looked great against Costa. He did look very good against Costa. Come on, fellas.
Starting point is 00:16:11 When he said, fuck you, fuck you, and they cracked him, he was exhausted. But a lot of guys were exhausted. That was a fight that was almost
Starting point is 00:16:17 5,000 feet above sea level almost. Correct. That's a lot, man. That's a lot to jump right back in there. He was exhausted. He also got his nose smashed,
Starting point is 00:16:24 couldn't breathe through his nose. That's true. So what right back in there. He was exhausted. He also got his nose smashed, couldn't breathe through his nose. That's true. So what I'm saying is that I think wrestling-wise, he's just as good or better than Costa. Yes. Okay? And striking-wise, I didn't see- His jiu-jitsu's better.
Starting point is 00:16:36 His grappling, right? His grappling? But if they fought in their primes, I like Luke in that fight. All day. I think I like Luke now. In their prime, did to beat Chris Weidman I was a mother for the top five best men always be seen And when he was a strike force champion, he was a motherfucker man, and I love Luke and he knows Luke Luke's older fellas
Starting point is 00:16:54 Luke's older seven. He's 37. He's had a lot of injuries. His leg was really fucked up He's been out of the game to Joe's point. He should have been a warm-up fight man Yeah, you jump in you jump in, you know after getting you know Knocked out by Jan, and then you're going to take some time off and then jump and fight Paulo Costa. He's number five. He should have fought a good middleweight. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Well, also know this. He wasn't able to spar. You know, his shin is so bad that he really wasn't able to spar through the entire camp. He didn't spar at all? I mean, I don't want to speak for Luke, but— Did you talk to him? Did he tell you this? I mean, I know things about the camp.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Bisping talked to Perello, and he's really close to Perello, and Perello was like, I wish he would have done more. I wish he would have sparred more and done some more stuff. And was it because of the shin? Because he's had a bunch of skin grafts and shit. His staff infection on his shin was horrific. Horrific. And his foot swelled up.
Starting point is 00:17:41 He's got, you know... Staff is so bad. I think MMA is turning into what all sports, what happens in all sports. Once you're in your 30s in football, it's almost a wrap generally. And baseball. Boxing as well. It's almost a wrap. Boxing, you know why it wasn't like that in MMA?
Starting point is 00:17:59 Because MMA, there's so many things to get good at. The striking, the wrestling, and the jiu-jitsu. There's so many things. Because MMA, there's so many things to get good at. The striking, the wrestling, and the jiu-jitsu. There's so many things. So that for a while there, the first 15, 20 years, it was actually better to be in your 30s. Because you've had a lot of time to master everything. But now, all these kids are growing up mastering it.
Starting point is 00:18:17 So now it goes back to like football. Now when you have the whole generation of kids training MMA, now you put them at 22. Now they're masters at all the skills. Going against a dude who's 37, it's going to look just like any other sport. MMA's hard on your body. Age is going to be a big difference. MMA's way harder on your body than all those sports like basketball. You look at LeBron, he's older.
Starting point is 00:18:39 You look at Tom Brady, they're older. And they're getting older now. Even in boxing, Bernard Hopkins was an elite fighter almost to the point where he was 50. One of the best on the planet Earth. Outlier. Freak. But super disciplined. Never ate bad. Never drank alcohol. Never fucked around. Always trained. Never got
Starting point is 00:18:55 fat. Always in shape. The longs with longevity do. You look at Randy Couture. You look at Tom Brady. Our boy Aaron Rodgers. He don't fuck around, man. He don't fuck around. But it's also these guys that we're talking about in MMA, they were on the sauce. These guys that were fighting deep into their 30s and looked great, they were on the sauce. And then USADA came along and they wake you up at 5 in the morning and go, hey, we'd like to look at your piss. Haters.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Yeah. Haters. You're ruining it for us. They fucked up. They woke up Usman at 5.30 in the morning. But she, Dana, came out and was like, we're not doing that anymore. They should never do that. No, it's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:19:27 They're trying to sleep. Can Dana stop them from doing that? They work for Dana. That's how you can catch guys with EPO. Because EPO, it leaves your system. So if a guy goes to bed at midnight and he wakes up at 8 in the morning and he takes EPO before he goes to bed, it's not in his system. The half-life is out of your system. By the time USADA shows up, it'll drift out of your system.
Starting point is 00:19:47 That's why they do that. Here's the problem. I think with Costa, he's trying to get some sleep. They wake you up at 5 in the morning. They make you take all that test. Worse, worse. With Costa, they did it the day he was weighing in. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:19:58 That's insane. That's insane because he's fucking hurting. Right. That guy's big. He's so big. He's 185 for like 13 seconds. How long we want to pretend that Vitor Belfort's not his father?
Starting point is 00:20:11 How long you want to do that? They're identical. Both just die pieces. Who's got the better body though? Costa or Vitor and his prime daddy? Or Vitor. Dude, Sosta, Vitor, that'd kick your eye out. But Sosta, Vitor and Costa, the problem is Costa's not Sosta. At least if he is, they're doing the best job ever behind him.
Starting point is 00:20:33 And Vitor in his prime when he was 19 when he fought Couture. His traps. But that wasn't even Vitor in his prime because that was too big. That was 240 Vitor. Yeah, he's built like a stingray. Really 205 Vitor when he fought Trey Telligman when he was 19 years old. Oh, my God. He was blitzing people.
Starting point is 00:20:51 I'm not a gay man, but. No fear. No fear because he really felt like he couldn't be stopped. His hands were so fast. Lightning. The first. You know, he's fighting Rockman Jr. Yes.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Rockman Jr. I'm telling you, Baba, I know you're a boxer. Vitor, and I don't know what the drug test is, but if that's a Acai-sauced-up Vitor, you got problems, son.
Starting point is 00:21:12 His hands are fast as fuck. He's mean, too, man. Yeah, killer, dude. That motherfucker knows how to knock people out. Yes, savage. What he did to, well,
Starting point is 00:21:19 Holyfield fight was wrong. That was wrong. Yeah, just, it was disgusting. He was like 60 years old. That's disgusting. He was almost 60 years old. That's where I'm at. I'm like, I don't want to see this. They should have never let him fight was wrong. That was wrong. Yeah, it was disgusting. He was like 60 years old. He was almost 60 years old. That's where I'm at. I'm like, I don't want to see this.
Starting point is 00:21:28 They should have never let him fight that fight. It's disgusting. That was a last-minute replacement. It was the whole thing. Who was he supposed to be fighting? Vito was supposed to be fighting who? He was supposed to be fighting someone pretty good. Yeah, it was supposed to be someone really,
Starting point is 00:21:41 like it was going to be a tough fight for him. Roy Jones? Was it Tarver? No. Jesus Christ. Someone was supposed to be a tough fight for him. Roy Jones? Was it Tarver? No. Someone's supposed to fight Tarver. Tarver's still a motherfucker. Yeah. I don't know what these guys are thinking.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Tarver's no joke. No. And especially, you know, Tarver's been popped a couple times. Yeah, yeah. He'll play in the Dark Arts. Doesn't he? He agreed to fight Oscar De La Hoya. That's right. De La Hoya pretended he Hoya. That's right.
Starting point is 00:22:05 De La Hoya pretended he had COVID. That's right. Oh, what are the chances of me getting COVID? He was in the hospital. Yeah, that's right. Vaxxed and everything, and he was in the hospital. That was such nonsense. You think he was talking to that?
Starting point is 00:22:17 Oh, 100%. Really? He's lying down in the hospital bed. What are the chances of me getting COVID? Really? Best acting job he's done, yeah. Yeah, because up until that, he was making all these negotiations with vito he wanted him to be a specific weight he wanted him to fight for less money vito's like yes yes yes yes yes and then what
Starting point is 00:22:35 are the chances of me getting cold yeah yeah he saw vito hitting them pads like check please covid what about jake i think de la jolla in his prime was one of the greatest boxers of all time. Ever. That's what's a shame. There he is right there. Come on, son. Listen, I beat COVID in three days, and this fucking dude, you're telling me that he can't? His eyes do look rather awake there.
Starting point is 00:22:55 He's got a good color in his skin. That's cocaine, bro. I bet he fucked his girlfriend right after he got off the phone. A hundred percent. I've had all three variants. I'm fine. Come on, man. There's no way he was hospitalized.
Starting point is 00:23:07 You know Vitor's son's like a baller quarterback, football player, like top five recruits in the nation? I think he agreed to go to Alabama, which is like the school. Well, out of all the fighters that fought in MMA, Vitor, like his hands have always been so legit. He's one of the, and Anderson as well. Yep. That would be a wicked fight.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Vitor versus Anderson in boxing. I'm in for that. What do you think about Anderson, Jake Paul? I love it. If Jake Paul really decides to fight Anderson, that's a very, very, very tough fight. Isn't it on? I thought it was for sure. I think they're talking about it.
Starting point is 00:23:40 And Silva just got licensed in Arizona, so the fight will probably take place in Arizona. Jake Paul came to my show at the Improv. He's in the green room. I was talking to him there, and that's right when he called out Bisping. I said, let me talk to you, man. He goes, what? I go, you know, I know you say you don't care about getting validated from the fight community, stuff like that. And I said, but you do.
Starting point is 00:23:56 And I said, I'm telling you, calling out Bisping ain't the move. He has one eye and a fake knee. He's retired now. Two fake knees. I said, leave him alone. I'm telling you, that's not the— Well, not only that, no one would sanction it. He, he's retired now. Two fake knees. I said, leave him alone. I'm telling you, that's not... Well, not only that, no one would sanction it. He literally can't see out of the eye. I'm sure you could get it sanctioned
Starting point is 00:24:09 somewhere, but that's not going to move the needle for you, Jake. Who's going to sanction a fight with a fighter who has one eye? Listen, they sanctioned Evander Holyfield, right? Yeah, but at least Evander Holyfield can see out of both eyes. He's got two eyes. Maybe. He has cataracts. That's a big deal. Does he have cataracts? I just assume he's older.
Starting point is 00:24:25 No, I mean, this thing actually has a glass eye. I'm very aware. No, no, no. I don't think they are. No, he puts a lens over it to make it look good. He'll take it out and show it to you. He still has his real eye. Oh, he does?
Starting point is 00:24:36 He can only tell if it's light out or dark out. That's it. He can't see anything. The point is he has one fucking eye from the Vitor fight. So I told Jake, I'm like, that's not the move, man. I'm telling you, people aren't going to appreciate that or respect it. I said, if you want to actually earn respect, go for Anderson Silva. I said, he's a motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Jake Paul is one of the smartest marketers that the fucking sport has ever seen. And he can fight. He's got balls. And the thing is, people think he's this YouTube guy and he can't fight. Look at the way he knocked out Tyron Woodley. Come the fuck on. Agree, man. I have said this YouTube guy and he can't fight. Look at the way he knocked out Tyron Woodley. Come the fuck on. I agree, man. I have said this multiple times.
Starting point is 00:25:08 We talked about it. If that guy was just a boxer and you'd never known anything about his YouTube background and you saw him knock out Tyron Woodley with one shot, you'd be like, holy shit. This is his new guy coming up and he's a bad motherfucker. He's really legit. He's a wild, brash kid. To your point, if you can take away the perspective you have that, oh, he's just a YouTuber. He's just doing this for money. Sure, whatever.
Starting point is 00:25:28 But if you just look at him, if you know who he was, if you showed him to any of these top boxing experts, they're like, holy fuck, that kid's movement, his timing, his speed, he's athletic. How old is he? 24. Holy fuck. And his power. How old was he when he started training? Three years ago. That's it?
Starting point is 00:25:44 Three and a half probably. He never did any boxing before? He did wrestling in high school. He wrestled in high school, but no boxing at all? Nope. That's crazy. I think he's been boxing a little bit more than that, but he's boxing with real guys and getting in the ring with real dudes.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Yeah. And I think you get a real sense of where you are in the pecking order when you do that. Like, you're very aware, right, of, like, who you should box and who you shouldn't box but the fact if he goes for anderson silva that's ballsy dude anderson silva just beat julio chavez junior correct a legit world champion i know he's lazy compared to his dad he was 50 and three legit multiple time world champion survived against canelo bro yeah yeah went the distance against
Starting point is 00:26:22 canelo and anton silva them up, and maybe he wasn't taking a serious I don't give a fuck by that seventh round. He's like I should probably should get going here Yeah, that's and still whooped his ass well Anderson if he just went straight into boxing would have been a fucking world champion Yeah, well remember you supposed to fight Roy Jones jr. Kind of in his prime and then Dana put the kibosh on it back then yeah because that was when Roy was kind of still in his bad idea yeah Roy Jones jr. who has a left biceps that's twice the size of his right one
Starting point is 00:26:47 because he just throws lead left hooks like a fucking jab. There's levels, man. You didn't want none of Roy Jones Jr. when he could still fight. No. Oh, I mean, for me, top five. Maybe because I was in that era
Starting point is 00:26:59 and I grew up watching him. No, I think anybody would have. He's one of my faves. When I had him on my podcast and I said, you know that song y'all must have forgot? I didn't forget. Never.
Starting point is 00:27:08 When I was a kid, I remember it was in that Nas song, the new Mike Tyson's Roy Jones, because he was fucking everybody up. He didn't throw jabs. He would just lean left hook. That's what I mean. Lean left hook fast as a jab. He's also brilliant.
Starting point is 00:27:21 He's very smart. His fine IQ is insane. Insane. Insane. His timing and his speed. And he could get away with doing things that you'd never see in the gym. Yeah. The way he was moving and the speed in which he would dart in with lead right hands.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Nobody knew what the fuck to do. He was my favorite. He was so fast. That Vinny Panza fight. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Remember Vinny Panza in the corner? Yes.
Starting point is 00:27:42 They had the camera. He's like, I can't hit him. I can't hit him. I just can't hit him. I can't hit him I just I can't hit him remember you say yeah, and it was the only round in CompuBox history where a fighter didn't land a punch It was a whole round nobody Pazienza was a true Roy landed punch. No, no, no It's never happened never yeah, never yeah, oh
Starting point is 00:28:05 We missed the whole fight. What happened? We're talking about Roy Johnson. Was it a decision? Yeah, a decision. We're terrible at this. This is why we can't be commentators. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:15 I know. You got to quit. I should quit. This is what I would do if they let me drink during the UFC. That's a fucking snazzy looking purple suit. Yeah, it is. Mr. Bisping. Bisping has some grays.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Tim Kennedy. We're all getting grays. Tim Kennedy, I'm going to drop best of with, he took me through a day of special forces training and he told a Bisping story
Starting point is 00:28:36 and I'm contemplating whether to leave it in the episode or not. Why wouldn't you? I just don't want to talk, I just don't want to be the, I hate that kind of, I don't want to be the I hate that kind of I don't want to be the harbinger.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Is it gossip or is it when they fought? It's how he feels about Bisbing and how he felt about the fight. I'll take it out of the episode. He goes, you can leave it in the episode. And I was like, alright, well, maybe I will. It's his perspective. Also, Bisbing thrives off that. Bisbing created a clip out of that that gave a million views. Yeah, Bisbing's a savage.
Starting point is 00:29:03 What's wrong with it? What did he say? He was just talking about how basically Bisbing, he created a clip out of that. It gave a million views. Yeah, Bisping's a savage. What's wrong with it? What did he say? He was just talking about how basically Bisping, he felt cheated against his friend, then spit on his friend. And Kennedy was like, I'm going to beat the fucking shit out of him. Wait a minute. Bisping cheat? When did he cheat? Hey, hey, talk to Tim.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Oh, no. Because he spit. No, no. It was a knee to the face. Then he spit on his trainer. Oh, fuck. He's a UFC to the face. Then he spit on his trainer. Oh, fuck. He was a UFC fighter. You know who he is.
Starting point is 00:29:27 And Lex McMahon was there, too, because Lex was the manager. Yes, yes. But that guy talked a lot of shit to him. I like Michael Bisping. I love Bisping. I love Bisping. I think he's awesome. I absolutely love Bisping.
Starting point is 00:29:36 He's one of the hardest men that's ever fought. That motherfucker fought 10 times and hid the fact that he's blind in one eye. Savage. And that's why I don't want to be the one who puts out. It was just a funny story. But those are facts, B. For Tim, that's his experience. Tim's such a savage, dude.
Starting point is 00:29:52 It's not gossip. He's such a badass. Also, you want more respect for Biz when I used to train with him. And you realize why his cardio is so good. I was like, would you stop fucking moving, dude? Like, even between just jogging and sweating. Well, that's how he destroyed his knees. That's why he has two artificial knees because he wore his fucking knees out
Starting point is 00:30:05 with sheer mental toughness. He's as tough as they come. The sheer mental toughness. Have you been out to that sheepdog response? No, I have not. Dude, he took me out there and he just comes up to me and he goes, he didn't tell me how to dress or anything.
Starting point is 00:30:15 He goes, we're going to have a good time today. I go, oh, okay. Because there's all these Delta guys and everything in there. And I go, okay. And he goes, come with me, please. So that starts the shooting, the close quarter combat where we're clearing a house. We're in a car as I'm trying to shoot.
Starting point is 00:30:33 I was so embarrassingly bad, but it was so much fucking fun. He has me do this obstacle course. I'm having to climb ropes at 8 in the morning. Did you get waterboarded? I didn't get waterboarded. And he said to me, he goes, I said, I want you to climb ropes at 8 in the morning. Did you get waterboarded? I didn't get waterboarded. And he said to me, he goes, I said, I want you to waterboard me for my show. You know, this best of thing. And he goes, I'll waterboard you, but there's a difference.
Starting point is 00:30:53 You're going to think I'm going to stop. And you're going to think I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And then you're going to drown. And you're going to be like, okay, I've had enough. And I'm just going to be getting started. I was like, I don't know if I want to do that. Tim's crazy.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tim's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tim's crazy. But that's the kind of guy you need if you want someone on the front line. Correct. I fucking love Tim Kennedy. That's a super soldier.
Starting point is 00:31:13 He's the best. He makes me proud to be American. Me too. If you ever feel bad about America, just be around Tim Kennedy. He's also, he took us, so we were in this car. He was going to teach me evasive driving, which we did. But he's got Shane. You know Shane, who's one of his best friends, Joe?
Starting point is 00:31:28 Shane. Like his best friend. You always see him with him. He trains with him. Country music singer. I hope it's Shane, yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Oh, well, anyway, he's always with him. But he fucking took us in his car and started driving and showing us how he drives when he's getting away from the enemy. Where did he take you? Oh, we were at the Sheepdog. He's got everything out there. This is in Austin, right? Yeah. It's an hour outside or wherever it is.
Starting point is 00:31:55 But there's a whole area where you can drive cars and practice evasive driving and shit like that. Dude, you should go out there with him. Just for fight companions. You should go out there. That would be sick. It's going to drop Tuesday. Check it out Tuesday. When you see it Tuesday, you'll be like, oh, I got to companions You should go out there That'd be sick It's gonna drop Tuesday Check it out Tuesday When you see it Tuesday
Starting point is 00:32:06 You'll be like, oh, I gotta do that Did you see what Tom Segura did? TMZ called him up and said That they heard that he got shot on my ranch And so Tom made a video Where he said, fuck, I can't believe I shot myself I don't even have a fucking ranch They get so easy to Google if I have a wrench.
Starting point is 00:32:25 So he said, I was just twirling the gun around, you know, doing the thing. And I fucking shot myself in the leg. Guys, gun safety is really important. Play that. Does it sound terrible? Some sort of weird connection. Tom's hilarious. Look how good Tom looks.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Tom works out two times a day now. He's a handsome guy, man. Look how jacked he is now. Jesus. Wow. He works out twice a day. Wow. Every day.
Starting point is 00:32:53 He does weights, and then at the nighttime he does cardio. And he's touring like a fucking fiend. He's got this tour called I'm Coming Everywhere. What? Holy shit. I'm Coming Everywhere World Tour. Oh, my God. And he's selling out all over's doing theaters he's killing it that motherfucker has crazy work ethic the best you just see like what work ethic can accomplish man it's it's amazing to watch and Tom's also undercover gearhead
Starting point is 00:33:22 man don't let him fool you you don't talk about his cars, but he's a gearhead Anytime I get a car, I send it to him He's a big gearhead Speaking of which, I'm dropping my special after this podcast That's not speaking of anything Fuck off, you were talking about touring and stuff And I just had this I brought us back
Starting point is 00:33:39 We kind of moved away from it Brendan and I were about to talk about cars And I was going to get poured out of my mind. Fucking cars. Me and Eddie would have been like, oh, Jesus Christ. Eddie loves cars. Wait a minute. Are you still into...
Starting point is 00:33:52 But you went electric. You told me that regular cars are stupid. No, listen. Compared to all my other cars, my Tesla is the greatest fucking thing I've ever driven in my life. So you're over cars. It's a spaceship. Well, you've ruined my day.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I'm not over cars. I love cars, but they're different things. What do you drive the most? I drive that Tesla almost every day. Do you let it drive you around? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on the beta program. I go doo-doo, and it goes automatically.
Starting point is 00:34:16 You trust that shit? No, I keep my hands on the wheel, but it's pretty dope, man. Fuck that. That'll never happen. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, but I have my hands on the wheel. Eddie, I just sit there, and it does everything sit there Okay so you don't let it drive you Will you ever get in the back
Starting point is 00:34:28 You have to You have to keep your You have to keep your hands on the wheel Otherwise it beats It'll stop It beats at you Because it relaxes you Yeah
Starting point is 00:34:35 It relaxes you You don't have to think as much You don't have to change lanes It's so hard to drive I enjoy driving It's so hard I do too I do too
Starting point is 00:34:44 Listen I do too When. I do, too. Listen, I do, too. So tell me what your car does. So you go, what is that beta thing? Well, the beta self-driving thing will stop at red lights. It'll make turns. It does all kinds of wild shit. So it just follows your navigation.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Yeah, but if you're on the road, like on the highway, and you press that, it just keeps the pace of traffic. It keeps whatever pace you want it to. Like cruise control? Yeah, but it's way better than that because it slows down for oncoming traffic. It'll change lanes for you. It's great. It's so hard. Even gas-powered cars do that now, but to that point, they are good. Maybe I'm just getting older.
Starting point is 00:35:16 I'm the anti-electric car. I hate them. I love it because it's effortless how quick it moves. It goes, and it's gone. Have you driven his car? I've driven a Platinum. I rent them because I'm trying to figure out why they trigger me. I hate them.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Because you like the sound. I love Elon Musk. I love Elon Musk, so I want to support it. I don't know what it is. I fucking hate it. Well, you love Porsches and shit. You like sounds. I like sounds like cars.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Like, my thing now is 03 to 06 Ferraris. Naturally aspirated V8s, loud as shit, kind of clinky. I love them. You think that's ever going to get to the point where people like the government can shut your electric car off? That's real? Yes. I thought that was a conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:35:54 No. That's real? Oh, then fuck that. I'm with Brandon all the way. Listen, it's a computer. Fuck that. It's a computer and it's connected to the internet. Oh, you said some bullshit on the internet.
Starting point is 00:36:04 You can't drive for 48 hours Fuck that Yeah if you lived in a country that's controlled by a dictator Or if you were like a serial killer And you had a Model 3 and you're tooling around the country They could shut that shit down You gotta be an idiot to be a serial killer and have a cell phone No there's definitely a problem with that
Starting point is 00:36:20 But for regular everyday driving If it's not your only car like mine I fucking love it But regular everyday driving, if it's not your only car like mine, I fucking love it. But regular everyday driving is going to help usher that in. So is technology. It's already there. Everything is going to usher that in. Using your fucking iPhone is going to usher that in.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I think what's hilarious is I can't even tag you on Instagram. In the post today to let everybody know the fight campaign is going on. There's Shadowban and then there's Eddieban. Oh no, they're ready. I can't follow people. They won't allow me to follow anybody. That's how wild it is. I had students that think I'm a dick.
Starting point is 00:36:57 I'm like, I'm trying to follow you. I'm trying to follow. I have to make videos. I do screenshot video. I go, look, look, boom. And I go back, look. It says follow. Now you're following. Then I go off the page and I Tripoli. I have to make videos. I do screenshot video. I go, look, look, boom. And I go back, look. It says follow. Now you're following.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Then I go off the page and I go back, follow back. I press it. And I go off the page and then I go, look. It keeps going back to follow back. Maybe don't call it a scandemic, et cetera. You're going to rouse the powers that be. Why can't he speak his truth, though? Why can't he feel me?
Starting point is 00:37:21 They send me shit and they go, you keep talking this shit. We're about to pull your fucking... They warn me. Somebody likes you there because at least you're not Andrew Tate. They seize his assets. They seize his financial banking. He was saying things about women that... What did he say that specifically got them triggered?
Starting point is 00:37:40 He was basically saying... Look, he plays... Part of it is like a character. And part of it, he's a legit world champion kickboxer who's a hard man. So let's tell them these guys. Who doesn't buy any pussy bullshit. And that's what's resonating with young people. And he's also pro-Trump.
Starting point is 00:37:57 The worry is that he is going to, the kids are going to listen to him because he's big on TikTok. My 12-year-old and my 14-year-old asked me about Andrew Tate. And what'd you say? What'd you say? I said he's a legit world champion kickboxer. I go, I like him a lot. Why do you like him? And I was asking him.
Starting point is 00:38:13 And they said he says a lot of funny stuff on Twitter and TikTok. It's the TikTok thing because the TikTok algorithm. He did something where he started something where you like join his group and then you're supposed to like post stuff. It's brilliant. That's how he gets followers. But it also gives you a page. He blew up. Yes. He's a brilliant man. My thing is with the left who wants to cancel him and you know take him
Starting point is 00:38:36 away and they're like we shouldn't look up to that. Okay. Then who should we look up to? Joe Biden. Who do you want to fill in for that? But also it's not their job to just say hey this guy's a danger to young men. What are you talking about? Like his, what a lot of times he was talking about how he says, become a high value person, man or woman, and don't fuck with people who are low, low quality people.
Starting point is 00:38:57 He fucked up with the misogynist. Yes. Because if he didn't do that, if he just did the pro male stuff. Yeah, he'd been all right. And, you know, pro accountability and promale stuff. Yeah, he's been all right. And pro-accountability and pro-discipline stuff. He has this post. He goes, the way I think in the morning, how I feel, has no bearing on what I do. He goes, I do everything I'm supposed to do.
Starting point is 00:39:14 He goes, I get up. He goes, if I don't feel good, I still work out. Of course. He goes, I still work. I still go. I do everything I'm supposed to do because that's how you get ahead in this life. If you just concentrate entirely on your feelings, you're never going to fucking get anywhere. And that's true.
Starting point is 00:39:27 And that's a good lesson for people to learn. The problem is the other shit. There's a video of him. I don't know what the context of the video is. He's like – Hitting that girl? No, that was consensual. And by the way –
Starting point is 00:39:38 But what was it? She came out and said – they were both into this role-playing shit. So both of them, she came out and she was like that's what we're into out of context so like i'll be honest me and bert kreischer were doing a companion i didn't see it and it just came out me and bert watched i was like jesus christ what is he doing we didn't have context i'm like that ain't good man he's fucked but then once you realize she was she comes out and she's like no hold on that's what we're into that we both agreed to that it's like well to each their own that's what you want to do. I don't agree with this. Why is that bad?
Starting point is 00:40:05 But there's all these videos that I've laughed my ass off at dudes ball gagged like CEOs. I'm not saying that. Tied behind their back getting their nuts kicked. Or getting their nuts kicked. Yeah, that's okay. That's somehow or another okay. Exactly. But it's because the guy is the powerful one.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Correct. And the guy has allowed the woman to do that to him. Yeah. Whereas the woman just seems like she's getting beaten up. She has no choice, yeah. Yeah. But she woman just seems like she's getting she has no choice Yeah, but she said she had a choice apparently you're saying that's apparently what I'm here Yeah, she came you know, he did a lot of good things then, you know Some of it was a lot even for but still he should still have a voice
Starting point is 00:40:37 But isn't that some one of the things you do when you're trying to push the envelope you fuck up and you say things You shouldn't have said this is the thing about like trying to be controversial and trying to get a lot of eyes on. Sometimes you go too much. Yeah. And they took all the shit. I thought your thing with Mark Zuckerberg was an interesting interview though, because as powerful as he is, it is a daunting task to run a company like that.
Starting point is 00:40:57 It's horrible. It's not crimey or anything. No, but if you, if you have an algorithm, you need algorithms because if you were to say, let everything be everything, then the people that post the most, for example, like businesses, would be at the top of your search. And you'd never be able to get to. So there's so much about that that they've thought about. And it's not an easy job. It's not an easy job.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Yeah, the idea that you have to have an algorithm is very disturbing to me because it really does accentuate everything that people get angry about. is very disturbing to me because it really does accentuate everything that people get angry about. And it's making, as an overall, like when you look at the overall effect it has on society, I think it's negative because it's forcing people to argue more and fight more. I disagree. I think what happens is, and it's already happened, is people start to realize that that is an algorithm and that they are being put in that echo chamber. And like everything else, human beings will adjust.
Starting point is 00:41:47 People aren't aware of that, Brian. But they are. They're not, though. We talk about it all the time. We do, but young kids aren't. I think they are. No, young kids have no clue. I think young kids are way more savvy than we are, Bubba.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Oh, I disagree. You're doing too much great. Hold on. Are you vaping? Are you vaping? Yeah. I don't even know you anymore, dude. You're driving a Tesla? Oh, that's tobacco? Yeah. All right. That'sing? Yeah. I don't even know you anymore, dude. You're driving a Tesla?
Starting point is 00:42:05 Oh, that's tobacco? Yeah. All right. That's like grape flavor. I don't know if it's like Skittle. I smoke weed. I vape tobacco. Vape?
Starting point is 00:42:13 I like vape. I got addicted to it and I had to stop. You got addicted to the vape? Yeah, it gave me anxiety horribly. Because I do rogue nicotine. Yeah, but you have five of those in your mouth. How many you got in there right now? What?
Starting point is 00:42:25 How many of those pouches? I'm about to put three more in. See, they're so gross. He's an extremist. He gave me one. I had it in for 30 seconds. I was ready to vomit. Yeah, he's a big kid.
Starting point is 00:42:33 Throw me one of them bitches. Hell yeah. You want berry or you want the apple? Just give me one that tastes like shit. No, dude, that's the best flavor. How many supplements do you think you have running through your body at one given time? What do I do? Oh, a lot.
Starting point is 00:42:45 A lot? You can swallow. It's not tobacco. If you could only do three supplements, what would they be? Testosterone. Forget testosterone. I'm talking about the other stuff. Well, it would all be vitamins.
Starting point is 00:42:55 The most important thing is getting your blood work done regularly and keeping your nutrient levels very high. Which are nutrients. Vitamin D is incredibly important. Quercetin and zinc so that your body can fight off viruses well. Quercetin is a, you know, what is it called? What is the word? Antioxidant? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:43:17 What is the word? Catalystin. Shut the fuck up. Come on, man. I got it. It's at the tip of my tongue. I don't remember it. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:43:25 All right, well. Something 04. Well, it allows your cells to absorb zinc better. Zinc is very important. Super important. I take colloidal minerals. I have like a pack. Ionophore? Is that what it is? I'm asking. Yeah, it's an ionophore. Yeah, that's right, man. I meant an ionophore before you told me to shut the fuck up. I had it at the tip of my tongue. You know, we were doing that.
Starting point is 00:43:47 So rude. But it's so rude, though. I'm trying to come up with it, and you're like, boop, boop, boop, boop. Yeah, but like cheesecake, wine. I'll tell you who's on some shit is Jamie. Jamie's jacked. Jamie's looking good. Jamie's fucking healthy.
Starting point is 00:44:00 All right, here we go. We're all thick in here, man, except for you, B. I know. I seem to be getting skinnier. You look good with your fucking flip-flops, you weirdo. My toe holds. He only rocks the flips. I have five sets of flip-flops.
Starting point is 00:44:14 He's wearing toe holds, too, right now. Eddie Bravo has always worn flip-flops, though. Since day one. We can go back to the early days of the podcast. Eddie was barefoot. I'm barefoot right now. He's a jiu-jitsu man. I've never seen him in shoes. He's a jiu Eddie was barefoot. I'm barefoot right now. You'll come in. He's a jiu-jitsu man.
Starting point is 00:44:26 I've never seen him in shoes. He's a jiu-jitsu man. I have one pair of shoes. It's that four-year-old pair of Vans, and that's it. Yeah. Really? How come you wear shoes? I picture you as a guy who wears at least zero drop shoes, sandals and shit.
Starting point is 00:44:39 I wear zero drop shoes a lot. When I work out, I wear those zeros, those minimalist shoes. I like those. Or barefoot. You running those too? No, I don't run anymore, man. My knees just don't like it. It's a problem.
Starting point is 00:44:52 So all my conditioning I do usually on the Airdyne bike. I do Echo bike. Or I do Stairmaster. Or I do rounds in the bag and shit like that. I still run like a motherfucker. I still did the Tough Mudder in Chicago. 15K. It's a great workout as long as your knees aren't damaged. But my knees are pretty damaged.
Starting point is 00:45:10 I'm lucky. My knees are fine. It's kind of amazing. As big as you are, you don't have fucked up knees. It's very strange. I should. And I love running. Doctors are like, dude, you're too big to run. I'm like, I feel fine. I'm already ready to puke with this thing in my mouth. After all the shit you've done? Come on, dude. Be cool, man. So minerals and vitamins you do every day
Starting point is 00:45:28 Yeah, yeah every day, but you've had a lot of experts on every time I talk to people They always say or I've read they always say that you don't if you as long as you eat a balanced diet But you don't subscribe Who's saying that and what is a balanced? I show where you can eat zinc in your balanced diet And how are you getting shellfish? You need healthy food. That's what you need, and you need supplements. I think you need your B vitamins. You should have fish oil.
Starting point is 00:45:52 You should have a lot of stuff that has been proven to be very beneficial for both your brain and your body. It makes a difference for me, man. What about creatine? Yeah, I take creatine. But you can get that in steak too. Like, nothing to, I've done every diet under the sun, right? Nothing for me is better than carnivore. Like, I take creatine. But you can get that in steak too. I've done every diet under the sun, right?
Starting point is 00:46:05 Nothing for me is better than carnivore. I've been carnivore now. I cheated after the tough one. I've been carnivore like a week-ish now. Nothing's better. For me, I'm not saying it's for everybody, nothing's better than carnivore. I like it with fruit. Yeah, you told me fruit.
Starting point is 00:46:18 I don't know. I feel like I'm cheating when I do fruit. Yeah, I think fruit's good for you, man. I think it's really good for you before you work out, and it's good after you work out, too. Yeah. I also drink a lot with electrolytes, you know, liquid IV. I take that stuff at least once, not twice a day. Damn.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Because I'm always going in the sauna. I'm in the sauna every day, basically. Losing electrolytes and shit. Yeah, and I make sure I replenish all that stuff. But my body's very resilient, man. For 55, it works fucking great. You're shredded, brother. Yeah, it works great. More shredded than I've seen you. Yeah, you look thick very resilient, man. For 55, it works fucking great. You're shredded, brother. Yeah, it works great.
Starting point is 00:46:45 More shredded, I've seen you. Yeah, you look thick. Good, though. I'm not mad at that. What are we getting ready for? Actually, you've gotten a lot. Yeah, you've lost weight. I'm eating good.
Starting point is 00:46:56 What are you weighing right now? Probably 200. Get out of here. Take your pants off. I got to see this for real. That's like that intro. I'm very happy with your lower body you spend a lot of time on your hammies yeah I do
Starting point is 00:47:10 I do a lot of body weight stuff a lot of squats I do all that knees over toes guy stuff so I do a lot of split squats and a lot of I do a lot of Hindu squats I do a hundred of those every day before my workout do you follow squat university no it's a fucking great instagram thing that guy it's variations of
Starting point is 00:47:31 squat every day what's that so squat university he's he he works with a lot of olympic lifters that dude is fucking you just go to that instagram he knows why it about the human body. It's so impressive, man. What was that? Why aren't your legs bigger? Do you follow the program? You know, Bubba, I got to get on the sauce. Let's be honest. When you're 55, I work out every day.
Starting point is 00:47:52 You're 55 too? Why don't you get on the sauce? I will. You've been talking about this for eight years. But I feel good. Straight up eight years. I feel good and energized. Then don't.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Just let your body rot away. I just want to, I worry that, I just don't want to fuck with how I feel now. You want to look awesome? Yeah. If you want to feel terrible, take one of those things. Dude. It's not for the faint of heart, bro. It's not.
Starting point is 00:48:12 I can't believe. I don't feel shit. I can't believe that you put four or five of those in there. There you go, buddy. You don't feel shit? It doesn't make you feel like you want to throw up? I don't feel anything. The Tesla's making you softer, buddy.
Starting point is 00:48:22 No way. I tried one. I tried one of those. I got exactly like you. I got sick. I tried one of those. I got exactly like you. I got sick. I can't clown you because you got other badass cars. I drove my 1,000 horsepower Hennessey TRS. You drive today?
Starting point is 00:48:31 Oh, fuck yeah. 1,000 horsepower for a truck? 1,000? 1,000. Is Tesla still faster? Oh, yeah. A lot faster. Not even close.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Well, the Tesla has 1,100 horsepower. Yeah, and it's a four-wheel drive, and it's also very small in comparison. Which one is yours? Up the leap, it's going to be a beast, four-wheel drive. But it's 0-6 in what, 1-6? 1-9. 1-9? Well, you know our SF90s are two.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Yeah, it's very close. I mean, but it's just effortless and quiet, and it's like really relaxing. You like the quiet? I like it every now and then. Yeah. Dude, dude, I have muscle cars. I have muscle cars. I have muscle cars. I have a 70 Chevelle.
Starting point is 00:49:06 That's why I can't make fun of you. It's loud as fuck. I know. 69 Camaro, loud as fuck. I feel like you. I bet you my Ferrari's louder than your old school hot rods. No, I might have a theory on this. It's pretty loud.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Your Ferrari, the older one is amazing. That sound is incredible. That Italian V8 sound. Is it a V10? It's a V8. Is it a V8? The Italian sound is incredible. That Italian V8 sound. Is it a V10? It's a V8. Is it a V8? The Italian sound is incredible. It's so beautiful.
Starting point is 00:49:29 It's like a symphony. Do you have a shift? No. So, dude, originally I was trying to get the manual. To get the manual, because they only made like 100 of them that year, you're looking at a price increase of around $200,000 for the manual. Damn. So guys will convert them to the manual, because they only made like 100 of them that year, you're looking at a price increase of around $200,000 for the manual. Damn. So guys will convert them to the manual and flip them.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Convert it? Really? To get the manual, you're saying? Yeah, the manual's the big one. Manual transmission. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about the manual. I want a GT3 manual. The older ones. I have a 2007 RS still. I still drive that all the time
Starting point is 00:50:05 my gt2 rs that there's not a better car that to me that's ever been made it's a wild car man that's a fast fucking car and it's so light g that cigar had the some head of north america porsche on and he goes my friend brendan he has a gt2 and the guy goes yeah great car he goes yeah he tuned it he's like why the fuck would he do that? He's like, it's already fast enough. Tom's like, I don't know, he's crazy, man.
Starting point is 00:50:28 I can't get enough. When you get excited about it, no, no, no. You get excited about like what it does and you're like, can you get more out of this? Yeah, it's like,
Starting point is 00:50:35 what else can we do here? You see the new GT3 RS? It's amazing. It looks amazing. Does it have a fin? Oh, yeah. This is the guy who knows nothing.
Starting point is 00:50:43 I'm trying to get in that conversation. You have to have those, though. You have the? Oh, yeah. This is the guy who knows nothing. I'm trying to get in that conversation. You have to have those, though. You have the downforce, yeah. Downforce is everything. Bro, they're all going to get buried by the Z06. That Corvette Z06 is as fast as any fucking car you're ever going to drive. That's what I've been saying.
Starting point is 00:50:55 And it's coming. That thing is insane. Yeah, I know. That thing's insane. That's the greatest American car they've ever made. Agree, 100%. Yeah, and you know what they did? They literally took a 488 Ferrari and was like, all right, how can we do this? Yeah. And they're not denying it. Theyree 100%. Yeah, and you know what they did? Chevy literally took a 488 Ferrari.
Starting point is 00:51:05 It was like, all right, how can we do this? Yeah. And they're not denying it. They're like, yeah, it looks similar. It's a mid-engine car. Because Corvettes were originally supposed to be mid-engine. You know this. Long time ago.
Starting point is 00:51:15 They wanted to do a mid-engine way back in the day. My papa got one. He's always wanted one. He got one. I had a Fiat mid-engine. X19? Fucking X19. It lasted.
Starting point is 00:51:25 You know how long it lasted? Yes. One month. And they take Iona for us. And we could never fix it. And we're flip-flops. And flip-flops. Toho sponsoring.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Tony has the same Corvette he had when he was in LA. The yellow one. He got the new one. He got the C8. Yeah, they're cool. Yeah. Oh, it's great. I love it.
Starting point is 00:51:41 It's just so good looking, man. When he pulls up, it's like, that is a great looking car for an American. Hey. Hey. Put your toes on. Fuck's sake. Take those off. Shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:51:51 Take those off. Listen to him. Listen to him. Come on. He's so silly. I know you want to promote your goofy flip. I'm not promoting him. I just got him for you.
Starting point is 00:52:00 I even call him toe holds. Feel him under your feet. Put your toe holds on. Feel him for you. Feel him under your feet. Come on. Eddie. I see a toe hold, bro. Here's them toe holds. Feel them under your feet. Put your toe holds on. Feel them for you. Feel them under your feet. Come on. Eddie. Let's see a toe hold, bro.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Here's a toe hold. This is the only one that counts. There you go. Oh. We haven't seen a toe hold in a hot second in the UFC. Ow. In the UFC? I feel like that would work very quickly.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Very dangerous. It's horrible with your bad knees, too. Super dangerous. Eddie, I'm surprised you haven't moved to Austin, brother. I thought about Florida. I went down to Tampa, had a real estate agent. I was looking for, as soon as they put in the vaccine passports in LA where I couldn't even go to my fucking mall,
Starting point is 00:52:33 I was like, okay, we're going to Florida. I was texting you. I was like, we going to Austin or what? I was so close to going to Florida. Damn, almost pulled the trigger. And he was my advisor. And he was my advisor to leave. I'm so glad I stayed.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Where in Florida? I'm so, because they. We're in Florida. Because they dropped everything and LA weather is amazing. We're in Florida. We're in Florida. Tampa. Dude, I was there. I like Tampa. I was there looking at spots. I don't know if I could live there though.
Starting point is 00:52:59 You could live there. St. Pete is pretty fucking nice, man. I went to St. Pete. We went to Sarasota. All that shit. Anywhere where they leave you the fuck alone and let you live your life. The problem with L.A. is it changed once the government started imposing all these restrictions on people. And they didn't make sense. They didn't have anything to do with science. It had to do with control and optics.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And it had to do with making people feel like they were doing something. And it fucked businesses up through the roof. Of course. They lost 75% of their restaurants at one point. They don't care about old people, dude. All these small businesses. They do care about them. They just stay home.
Starting point is 00:53:31 They don't take any ownership, though. They just are like, yeah. Exactly. You're like, what? Exactly. My favorite is they passed the no sales on 2032 of gas-powered cars. Yeah. The next day they go, because the the hot weather do not charge your electric cars
Starting point is 00:53:47 Yeah for the next week. Yeah, so if you're just electric what the fuck you gonna do cover a Newsweek here I'll send it to Jamie because it's so dumb it hurts my feelings. It's my other problem with electric cars So America's like we're gonna go green. We're gonna go green and you know tooth it 2032 can't sell gas-powered cars But there's no plan in place. Look at this, too. I saw this on the way here. Jamie, I just sent you something. I saw this on the way here today. I was in my car.
Starting point is 00:54:12 Is it coming? There it goes. It was on the way here today. I was like, what is this nonsense? This is so dumb. Maybe that's why I'm triggered by electric cars, too, because the government's pushing it on us. Look at that. That was on a truck
Starting point is 00:54:27 on the way to get here. Want life to get back to normal? Here's your one shot. Get vaccinated. Hey bitch, it's back to normal already. Like, what are you fucking talking about?
Starting point is 00:54:35 But that's a commercial from a hospital made money. Look at this one. Newsweek. Has California banned gas cars? This is 8-25, August 25th. Which states could be next? Has bans new gas car sales?
Starting point is 00:54:48 And then 8-31. California is told not to charge electric cars days after gas car sales. It's insane. That is California politics. Yeah, it is. In a nutshell. That's California politics. That's America in general, though, as far as going green.
Starting point is 00:55:01 There's no plan. No. And you look at who's ahead of the curve. You had your boy Mike Baker on. I just regurgurgitate his shit i think he's the best person ever but he's like dude china's way ahead of us as far as it's going green as far as electric cars the lithium batteries like it's not china's awesome oh yeah let's follow their smartest shit let's let's depend more on china what you're doing when you buy a Tesla? You're a communist No, my friend Elon Musk is a genius And I support him
Starting point is 00:55:27 I love Elon, but it's only supporting They're behind it I think two things are going on with you One, you have an emotional attachment to cars What is that? A Panerai You don't know shit about watches I don't own a watch
Starting point is 00:55:42 I don't own a watch I can't wear any. What do you got? What are you rocking? It's an Omega. I love Omegas. I don't own a watch. I can't wear metal bands on stage because the metal pops off. Put that on. Put it on? Put that on. Yeah, it's a nice watch. Put that on. Put that on.
Starting point is 00:55:53 Hold on. Are you doing this so you can show how thick your wrist is? No. That's going to annoy me. No. It's a nice watch. You'll feel good on it, B. It's a nice watch.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Look, it's beautiful. It's engineered. I love engineering. That's an automatic mechanical watch. As you move during the day, it winds itself. It is beautiful. It's fucking great. It's an Omega? That's an Omega. engineered. I love engineering. That's an automatic mechanical watch. As you move during the day, it winds itself. It is beautiful. It's fucking great. It's an Omega?
Starting point is 00:56:08 That's an Omega. Yeah, I love it. That's a Seamaster. You know who got into watches? That's the one that looks like vintage. It's got like a vintage look to it. You know who got into watches? Schultz.
Starting point is 00:56:15 Yes. He's into big boy watches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As investments. I bought him a Daytona. I know. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Well, you went to a wedding. Yeah, I was at the wedding. I'm such a weirdo. Anything on my body, I get. It's like too much. Yeah, but that's like artwork, man. No went to a wedding. Yeah, I was at the wedding. I'm such a weirdo. Anything on my body, I get. It's like too much. Yeah, but that's like artwork, man. No, it's beautiful. That's like engineering and design.
Starting point is 00:56:31 I just love those things. I love this watch. It's nice. Omega's a great watch. I love Omega's. I can't believe you gave this to me on air, you fucking sweeper. Give me that back. If you were into watches, I'd give you this.
Starting point is 00:56:41 You would never wear it. But you wouldn't wear it. Then I'd get mad and you'd call me up, why aren't you wearing your toe holes? Why aren't you wearing your toe holes? What the fuck is wrong with you? With my watch. How many have I sent you now? Five.
Starting point is 00:56:53 I have five pairs of toe holes. He's like this. Oversaturated, Bubba. I hate this fucking washer. I was like, all right, let me send you another one. Joe getting mad at you and annoyed for plugging is like the ultimate plug. No, I don't plug. Let me just say this. Let me just say this.
Starting point is 00:57:05 I don't plug shit. They are the best flip-flops I've ever had. Legitimately. They have the best soles. Are we good? Can we move past the whole mountain? He gave me Bigfoot ones. They have Bigfoot engraved in them.
Starting point is 00:57:15 I have some that have a dragon engraved in them. I don't wear sandals. He's giving me two pairs. I don't plug anything. I don't wear sandals. No, they are dope. I don't plug anything. I don't like that shit.
Starting point is 00:57:23 You can't even pull them apart, too. If you try to destroy them. I saw that video where you guys were just trying to pull them. No, they are dope. I don't plug anything. I don't like that shit. They're really, you can't even pull them apart, too. Like, if you try to destroy them. Like, you know, I saw that video where you guys were just trying to pull them. Yeah, they're fucking amazing. They're, like, really, really well made. They're the best flip-flops I've ever had. No bullshit. They kill elephants and snakes, but whatever.
Starting point is 00:57:35 He's trying to, like, squeeze it in, and you catch him, and you call him out on it. No, I'm not. I don't love it. You are a little pluggy today. He calls you a pluggy today. You're a little pluggy. Hold on. He's a little pluggy today. He just gave me these. Right? He're a little pluggy. Hold on. He's a little pluggy today.
Starting point is 00:57:46 He just gave me these. Right? He's a little plug boy. They have big foot. Little plug boy. Look at the feet of it. I love it though. You're a little plug boy today.
Starting point is 00:57:52 The soles of these things, they're fucking phenomenal. They're the best made, for sure. Now will you shut up, Callan, about them? They're really, really well made. But look, it's got Bigfoot on it. That's why A.G. made them for you. Can we plug shit now, Brian? I'm not plugging shit.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Tenthplanetjiujitsu.com. Exactly. Yes, my special drops after this, but so my man's here. Oh, your special. Please don't talk about your special. I don't plug anything. Have I ever plugged? I'm the worst at plugging. I'm the worst. You guys all criticize me because I never plug or self-promote. Just today, you're a little pluggy.
Starting point is 00:58:21 I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. I was kidding around. I whispered it. I gave him those. You're in too deep now. Fuck off. They're very good flip-flops. They're great flip-flops. Good. That was a great one.
Starting point is 00:58:30 That was the greatest plug ever. That was a great one. Oh, there's a UFO at the bottom, too. I didn't notice the UFO. And now they're going to cut that to me on their website. How'd you put it on their website? That's what I would do. Look how they got Nate Diaz's head cocked back.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Yeah. That's what he does. I love Nate Diaz. That's hilarious. That's an interesting fight, man. If he wins, I hope he wins that fight and just rides off in the sunset. See ya. I'm not surprised, motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:58:55 He wins and in a post-fight interview, he's smoking a joint. And just talking shit. I'll take a hit. Hold on, Joe. I'll take a hit. Dude. 100%. Wouldn't that be great?
Starting point is 00:59:01 If he sparks up a joint in the post-fight interview, I'll take a hit. Only if he wins, though. Yeah, I'll take a big hit.fight interview, I'll take a hit. Only if he wins, though. Yeah, I'll take a big hit. You will. He'll take a hit. It'll fuck up all my commentary afterwards. I'll be like, why are we even here, man? You guys ever think about CTE?
Starting point is 00:59:13 DCD, forget where your keys are? I don't know. I've seen, like, I watched your special, or I watched you, not your special, I'm sorry. I watched your live performance in Salt Lake. Which I'm glad you made me come to, because that was so inspiring. Dude, he's working on a level. I told you this. I'm not, I'm not, I told him.
Starting point is 00:59:28 I called him. His fucking, his, this next one hour, I put that up against, I was talking to Tripoli about it. I put your next one hour up against anything, anytime. I'm so excited about it, but. I've been working on it a long time. But dude.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Four years on this one. I assume that's all. Bro, four years since your last special. Were you hot? Did you smoke a little weed before you went on? Always. I don't know how the fuck you can be that intense, that on point. I'd be such a zombie.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I got it dialed in. I know exactly how much to take. I can't get too high, but I want to be a little high. When I'm a little high, I'm a little sillier. I'm more fun. And I think about the consequences a little high, I'm a little sillier. I'm more fun. And I think about the consequences of things more. I think about what it means. I think about, like, all these people pay to see me. This is
Starting point is 01:00:11 important. They got babysitters and shit. I get fired up. I start shadowboxing. I move around. I get my blood pumping. I get nervous. It's good for me. That's your routine. That's your process. Yeah, it feels good to me. I like to be a little high. It just makes me, like, tune into everything. Do you still drink a little bit or no? Yeah, a little bit. I. I like to be a little high. It just makes me tune into everything. Do you still drink a little bit or no?
Starting point is 01:00:26 Yeah, a little bit. I have a drink before going on stage. I'm a bonafide alcoholic now. So, dude, four days ago, I did a quarter hit of LSD. I've never done it. I had the best 45-minute set of my life. Tunes you in. And it was eight, nine hours later.
Starting point is 01:00:43 And I was up there, and I was like, I didn't know how I was going to do it was It was eight Nine hours later And I was up there And I was like I didn't know how I was going to do it I was closing the show I go I have no idea If I'm even going to be able To do stand up And somehow Man it just opens up
Starting point is 01:00:53 Different ports Is there ice in there Eddie Have you ever done that Have you ever Yeah Yeah I've gone on stage I actually Told the people
Starting point is 01:01:00 That I was on the asset You could see everybody Tense up They all got nervous Right And I'm like don't worry I'm fine We're going to be good Yeah And then we went Right nervous. And I'm like, don't worry, I'm fine. We're gonna be good.
Starting point is 01:01:06 And then we went right into comedy and they were fine. They were laughing. Did you do a microdose or? Yeah, it wasn't too bad, but it was enough that things got a little odd. Like I could see like around my hand, like I could see like my aura. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:19 I've only smoked once. It was you and Tripoli at the store. You guys were smoking. I was like two years into comedy. I'm like, oh, I'm just like them. I can do this. You were like, don't be a pussy. Tripoli doesn't smoke?
Starting point is 01:01:28 Well, no, but Rogan was. Me and Tripoli were back there. And Roman's like, take a hit. I'm like, don't be a pussy. I'm like, yeah, I'm just like them. I can do this. I do it, and I see Adam Egan in the back watching. I don't remember a single bit.
Starting point is 01:01:39 First time I've ever ate as far as just forgot everything. It's not for everybody. It's not for me. Just like Rogue's not for you. Weed's not for me just like these just like rogues not for you weed's not for me you don't know yeah i can't smoke you don't take gummies no no i can't do any of it it doesn't mix well with my body me neither i'm a big fan of i was like i'm just like joe i'll smoke yeah eddie bravo turned me into a pothead that's how this works man friends well i remember when i was first hanging out with him i thought pot was for losers
Starting point is 01:02:05 And I was like Here's this guy That's so fucking creative And you know He comes up with all these Jiu jitsu moves And all this music And he's telling me
Starting point is 01:02:11 He's doing it while he's high I go let's try this shit Now look at you Eddie Bravo I apologize What is this new electric vehicle This is the thing That's interesting to me
Starting point is 01:02:21 Is now everybody's Making electric vehicles They have to right Apparently that Porsche The Taycan is the shit. Have you driven that, Joe? No, I have not. You know what my problem with that is?
Starting point is 01:02:29 Again, triggering. They call it the turbo Taycan. There's no turbo. Yeah, that seems silly. That seems silly. And if you know the evolution of Porsche and the history of Porsche, the turbo is like the top. That's it, dude.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Yeah. But you're calling it a turbo Taycan. Now, as far as electric cars, and I love Porsche. Porsche is my favorite. But you can't call it a turbo, man. But if I was in an electric car, that's probably it. What is a turbo? Well, a turbo is a turbocharger.
Starting point is 01:02:53 It's forced air induction. It doesn't make any sense to say that you have forced air induction on a purely electric vehicle. And when you hit the gas, it makes jets of noise. Like, you can turn that on or off if you like. Dude, that anger I have in my heart. That's what? Acceleration noise. That's the Porsche.
Starting point is 01:03:09 But that's in the electric car. Yeah. So it's a fake sound. The Taycan. Yeah, it's like a sound like the Jetsons. But now what they're doing, like Dodge with a new Challenger or Charger, you can get fake sound. Yes, they have fake sound.
Starting point is 01:03:19 That's awful. They've been doing that for a long time, apparently. I don't like that at all. Well, they've been doing that with, I had a BMW don't like that at all Oh, they've been doing that with I had a BMW and they pump the sound into the speaker right? So you can hear the engine sound louder in the speakers. I was like yeah, I heard it's fake sound Well, whatever it is. Yeah, shut it off apparently which is Imperative yeah, I don't mind the quietness I know what a what a when the Tesla is accelerating at 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds or 1.6 seconds, whatever the fuck it is, I don't mind the sound.
Starting point is 01:03:52 I like the sound. That's almost irresponsibly fast, right? It's preposterous, but it's controllable. It doesn't lurch. It doesn't seem like you can't control it. You could drive totally fine, like normal, regular, sedate speeds. The problem is the weight of the batteries, too. Like that new Hummer's 9,000 pounds, just the battery alone weighs as much as the Civic, Honda Civic.
Starting point is 01:04:15 So when they hit cars or people, you're fucked. Now, do you remember that documentary that came out like maybe 15 years ago that said whatever happened to the electric car? No, who killed the electric car? Who killed the electric car? Who killed the electric car? Yeah. What was that about and how did – why did they bring it back? I didn't see it. Apparently, they went after electric cars.
Starting point is 01:04:33 Anybody that had an electric car, they took it back. The government did? Well, it wasn't that. They were trying to suppress the technology because it was a threat to combustion vehicles. And this was back – I think it was like early 2000s, right? Remember that weird one? The car, like the front of it was this wide and then the back of it went like this? Yeah, what was that?
Starting point is 01:04:53 That's the one. That's the one that they killed. They looked like shit when they first killed it. They probably just killed it because it looked like shit. You know they come out with a new DeLorean, which is pretty spicy looking. Really? I don't like it. I mean, I wish it was just the old DeLorean.
Starting point is 01:05:05 I think the best looking cars- Cocaine money, by the way. I mean, I wish it was just the old Delorean. I think the best looking cars. Cocaine money, by the way. The best looking cars that are electric cars are the German ones. Like the Porsche looks sick. I mean, pull up the Taycan. Show a photo of the Taycan. Taycan's filthy. That's a shit.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Yeah, that's nice. That thing's shit. The Fisker when it first came out was sick looking. Fisker's dope. Here's the problem with those is they don't, like Tesla has all kinds of charging stations. Yes, that's the problem. There's no infrastructure to support it. There is an infrastructure. It's just not with those. Tesla has all kinds of charging stations. Yes, that's the problem. There's no infrastructure to support it. There is an infrastructure.
Starting point is 01:05:27 It's just not as good. But the Taycan is fucking dope. Filthy. It's a lot of Porsche, too. And it handles amazing. It handles like a Porsche. It's really well engineered and balanced. And it looks like a Porsche.
Starting point is 01:05:38 It looks dope. It looks dope. The inside's dope. I love that they're doing this. I love that there's so many cars that are doing this. But if you want to get the most practical one as far as updates and as far as software and as far as charging opportunities, I feel like the Tesla's the way to go. Oh, they're leaps and bounds above everybody else. But look how good that thing looks.
Starting point is 01:05:55 The Taycan still has problems. Look how good that thing looks. The Taycan still has some problems. Do they fuck up a lot? Not a lot, but they do have their problems. I've had zero problems, and I've had two Teslas, and they're fucking amazing. I love them. I love driving them.
Starting point is 01:06:06 That new Hummer looks ridiculous. Really? Yeah, the new Hummer's preposterous. It walks like a crab. Crab walks. Really? Yeah, it's nice. What?
Starting point is 01:06:13 Well, they're all going to eat shit when that Tesla Cybertruck comes out. I saw that thing in person. Oh, you've seen it in person? It's the coolest looking fucking thing I've ever seen. See, that got me on board a little bit, because I saw that, and I was like, that thing looks fucking dope. Because someone took a picture for me. Elon was at Nobu in Malibu and he drove there and he parked at the valet.
Starting point is 01:06:31 And when the valet gets, he's a fan of mine. And he tagged, took a picture and was like, job, check out this fucking truck. It's huge. I was like, what the fuck is that? It's so much bigger than people think it is. I was like, that is sick. It's very big. Dude, it is.
Starting point is 01:06:42 This is the one. You can raise the suspension up 16 inches. You hit a button, it goes like a... That thing's dope. And it's got completely flat on the bottom because it doesn't have a traditional drivetrain. So the clearance on the bottom is insane. Like for off-road applications, nothing's going to be like it. And on top of that, it can stop a 45 slug.
Starting point is 01:07:02 What? It's fucking fully bulletproof. The entire truck is bulletproof. Everything. That's why it's so heavy, though. The windows, it can stop a 45 slug. What? It's fucking fully bulletproof. The entire truck is bulletproof. Everything. That's why it's so heavy, though. The windows, it's plate steel. Is that the one from my Instagram? Fuck, that thing is awesome.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Yeah? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So this is the photo that I took from my Instagram. When you see it in real life, you're like, oh my God, I live in the fucking future. I would get one of those. Or you live in Tango and Cash, because this truck was in Tango and Cash, but it's black. And that's where they stole the style from.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Tango and Cash. Jamie, bring up Tango and Cash truck. What in Tango and Cash but it's black and that's where they stole the style from. Tango and Cash? Jamie, bring up Tango and Cash truck. It's one of my favorite movies as a kid. Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell. This guy designed this nerdy guy designed it. That is the exact same design but the Tango and Cash one might be more of it. Glad we were watching the fights. Yeah, me too.
Starting point is 01:07:41 It looks like Chase Hooper. How much do you want to bet the guy with the curly hair Is the Frenchman I just think so He's letting his hair go The other guy is Italian Here it is So this is the Tangled Cash Car
Starting point is 01:07:53 Very good call This is 1992 Very good call sir 92 Good call sir And it comes with that gun on the side I kind of like the way that looks What is that?
Starting point is 01:08:04 It's a fake car Is that like a truck That they put a body kit on? That looks of like the way that looks. What is that? It's a fake car. Is that like a truck that they put a body kit on? Yeah. That looks fucking dope. Isn't that cool? Look at the fucking machine gun on it. What does it say on the side? SUV from hell from the movie Tango and Cash. Amazing. They just ruined it with that stupid sign. Yeah, they did. We don't need that, dude. Yeah, no
Starting point is 01:08:19 shit. SUV from hell. How are they going to know? Isn't that sick looking though? Are you talking 92, 93? As a kid I was like, oh, I want that fucking truck. When is that truck going to be available, that Tesla truck? I think they think sometime like mid or late 2023. I think that's the one. I get when that's it.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Have you seen the new Raptor Bronco? Oh, that's sick too. Filthy. Sick. I love my Bronco. Is that electric? No. That's why I love it. The Bronco's a dope car. sick, too. Filthy. Sick. I love my Bronco. Is that electric? No. That's why I love it.
Starting point is 01:08:47 The Bronco's a dope car. They did a good job with that. I love the Bronco, yeah. They look good. They look good. I take the top off. My kids fucking love it. For LA, it's perfect.
Starting point is 01:08:54 Perfect. It's a great car. There's a lot of great cars right now. They're safer than they've ever been before. You ever see what happens when Jamie has the Model X, the Tesla Model X? When you hit that thing on the side They don't flip over really always like a fucking weeble. Oh, do you see homeboy? Yeah, they're almost impossible to flip over That's why they're so super well there's a there's a group of I mean, I think teenagers
Starting point is 01:09:17 There's some 20 year olds in LA and there's that it I think yeah, it's where like Marin lives Yeah, and they're going up and down the hill and he flies it most cars would fucking tumble over that thing just goes and then fucked up all the cars hit a bunch of cars on the side kept going though
Starting point is 01:09:32 not a good idea did that kid get arrested did they catch him yeah yeah they got him I think yeah what happened to your Tesla what do you mean
Starting point is 01:09:38 oh here it is it's hilarious look at it swatchy boom catches air like a movie any other car would flip the fuck and tumble down.
Starting point is 01:09:46 And he hit like four or five hard cars. That fucking kid. He's not smart. Probably an Andrew Tate fan. He's wild. Would you ever have Tate on your podcast? It's a conversation, right? Especially now.
Starting point is 01:10:00 You know who gave him, like literally who brought him on the scene? I knew him from Kickbox and was aware of him for years, but really who put him on the scene is Tom Segura. Really? They don't give Tom enough credit. Not that he needs any more credit. He's fucking crushing it. But Tom really put him on the scene with, like, our crew.
Starting point is 01:10:14 Like, Tom's the first one who brought him on. Yeah, yeah, I had him on your mom's house like a year ago. I just thought he was funny. I thought some of the stuff he was saying on his TikTok stuff or whatever. But the best is Christina P's there, and she's like, so if I'm a dumb bitch... Because you know how he talks, and she's like, okay, so I'm a dumb bitch.
Starting point is 01:10:33 It's so funny, dude. But he did get kind of canceled from just talking. Well, I think he's on Rumble now. Yeah, he's okay. They took him over to Rumble, but it severely limits the amount of stuff you can have out there.
Starting point is 01:10:45 Is he banned from YouTube? I don't believe. Yes. Is he? Yes. YouTube too. Wow. And they seized his assets.
Starting point is 01:10:51 They seized his assets? No, they didn't seize his assets. Wait, wait, wait. They canceled his. So if you listen to him on Tucker Carlson, his ability to, his domain name and all, and his ability to monetize. They took it away. And his ability to doize and his ability to do
Starting point is 01:11:06 transactions with certain platforms is gone. He had a whole school, like the man school. I don't know if it was PayPal, but something like that, whatever he was doing, transactions, he's no longer allowed to use those platforms. This should be scary for everybody.
Starting point is 01:11:21 Now that I'm finally on my other million shows I do, we talk about COVID or whatever, or news, or something like that. But once you're not playing that ballgame, they're suppressing everything, man. Well, you don't get monetized, right? They do monetize firing a kid all the time. I have to deal with it all the time. King is saying all the time, because we're going to talk shit, man.
Starting point is 01:11:39 But we're having fun. But if it's not part of the agenda, they're suppressing everything. If you talk steroids, if you talk any of that stuff. Anything. But my whole thing with that is there has to be another there has to be somewhere else we can go where they're not going to do that that is gets as big as no they're not big enough oh you want like giant numbers any big boys because that's how i see that's how i sell my tickets on the road you'll see with rumble though they're getting bigger people over there now and as they
Starting point is 01:12:02 get bigger and bigger people they made a big play for me when all that shit was going down with me yeah they offered me a hundred billion dollars and they went for a rumble but Spotify never did anything they stayed with me the entire time yeah I love Spotify for that but they've treated you I'm great I was a little dicey on Spotify and then once you went over how they've treated you I'm like great they're great and the you know Daniel Ek the CEO at a great saying he goes I'm like, I'd love Spotify. No, they're great. They're great. And Daniel Ek, the CEO at a great... He goes, I'm not going to censor rappers either. I'm not going to censor some of the things they say.
Starting point is 01:12:29 How far should we go? If you go back and... I mean, if you just go back and listen to early NWA, it's wild shit. Or Eminem for that matter. What are you talking about? Yeah. There's so many lyrics of so many songs, not just rap songs that people would find questionable or problematic.
Starting point is 01:12:44 They'd have an issue with. I would go over there, though, bring everything if they got big enough. I think because they offer Tim Dillon, too, right? I think they're doing something with Russell Brand or they're trying to. What is Rumble? Who started it? I love Russell Brand. I'm not exactly who started it.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Not exactly sure. I know Dave Rubin's a part of it, but I don't know exactly who started it. Oh, we know Dave. He's coming on. No, we know Dave. I'll talk to Dave. They're starting to do some stuff where they're getting bigger and bigger names. And if they do that and it becomes popular enough and they can operate the way they're doing it right now with no censorship, it's a very interesting-
Starting point is 01:13:18 Chicken pull-ups so quick. Rumble overnight could be just more. I would move- Just boom. Overnight. I have eight shows. Not bad. I would move all my boom. Overnight. I have eight shows. Not bad. I would move all my shit there if it was worth it.
Starting point is 01:13:27 I think you move. Just have it there too. You know what I mean? The problem is it's not widespread with a lot of people yet, but if someone big went over there. Correct. Think about how many people Russell Brand has. If Russell Brand, I think he's got like six million YouTube followers now.
Starting point is 01:13:44 If he goes over there, I mean, he's already giant on YouTube. Starts an influx. And he goes over there and everyone knows and they just go to Rumble. It's just a different click you have to do. Yeah, exactly. It's not that big a deal. People aren't loyal to YouTube. They're not loyal.
Starting point is 01:13:56 Rumble is basically like YouTube, but they don't censor people. And they don't cancel people. That's what I mean. Is that all it is? It's essentially they're committed to having a free speech platform. The problem with that is when people hear that, they go, Oh, right wing. Oh, you're a MAGA supporter.
Starting point is 01:14:14 They immediately think that. But no, Tulsi Gabbard's over there. Glenn Greenwald is over there. Dude, Tulsi's awesome. He's awesome. He's about as progressive as you get. Man, Tulsi Gabbard is. She's great, too.
Starting point is 01:14:25 She should be the president. It seems like she's just, you know, she's saying all the right shit. Yeah, but she's... She's saying all the right shit. But she represents the Democrats, and they're not going to vote for her, but she has a lot of... But she talks a lot of shit on the left. She's in the middle. She talks a lot.
Starting point is 01:14:38 She tells the truth. I think she tells the truth. I love her, too. She's saying a lot of great stuff. If you want a woman president, that's your president. She checks every fucking box. 100%. Every box.
Starting point is 01:14:47 She checks every box. I don't get it. I don't get it. Because she won't play games, man. There's a fucking system. It's set up in place to enrich people. We all know about it. And it's set up in place where there's special interest groups or funding politicians.
Starting point is 01:14:59 And they're making sure you don't step out of the lines. And then if you look at the fucking advertising budget, they the advertising on television, 75% of it is pharmaceutical companies. It's kind of a rigged game in a lot of ways. If I'm the Democrat, so it's like, all right, so you woke up the fucking sleeping orange giant in Trump by raiding his fucking house, right? So now he's going to run just to fuck you guys over. He was going to run anyway. He's definitely running now. They did that to try to stop him from running, I think.
Starting point is 01:15:24 I don't know. Now you've pissed him off. They did that to try to stop him from running, I think. Correct. I don't know. He might be a major liability for the Republicans because swing voters and independents, that's who you have to get, right? And that's what decides elections. And I think a lot of, like this, I think the Republicans. Trump has so much support. Yeah, but with Roe v. Wade and stuff, there are a lot of people that are going, ah, fuck, not in my state. A lot of people that are scared of the extreme aspect of the right wing as well. Just like they're scared of the extreme aspect of the left wing,
Starting point is 01:15:49 turning everybody into Marxists, and we're all going to be socialists. That's why Tulsi Gabbard's great. She fucks with both. But the problem is the extremes, always, on both sides. That's always the problem. And the problem is if you're on a team, and right now we have it set up in this very tribal way, where you're on team blue or team red and it's blue no matter who or it's i vote red till dead and this is what people just subscribe to then you're captured by the loudest most vocal
Starting point is 01:16:16 and the most problematic aspects of whatever group you're in and if that group is the group that's getting projected as representative of your group the people that aren't like really reading and paying attention and watching a lot of stuff from different sources and really trying to gather an objective sense of what's going on, you're only going to look at that negative shit. And you're going to say, oh my God, if I support Biden, I'm supporting Antifa. I'm supporting radical leftists who want to indoctrinate my children.
Starting point is 01:16:41 And then you won't do that. So it's like the problem is always the extremes they're not the problem is Not like the good social policies that the left's put forth is having social safety nets and Making sure that people can get free health care and all the things that I'm sure we all agree with yeah Like we should all people poor people shouldn't have to fucking suffer if they get sick They should it should it shouldn't be hard to get a leg fixed if I break your leg You know if we treat each other the same the way we treat the fire department, the fire department's available to everybody because it's a fucking important thing.
Starting point is 01:17:10 But it shouldn't be if you're poor or if you're rich. The fire department is there and it's a socialist concept. We all pull into this. And that wouldn't be a bad thing for medicine either. As long as there's an option for the best of the best. thing for medicine either as long as there's an option for the best of the best you know guys who are like lakers fucking orthopedic surgeons who can literally like work magic and fix shit that other people can't because a plumber is just like a fucking doctor in that there's plumbers that suck and there's guys like my guy is the shit yeah and those are people that really care about what they
Starting point is 01:17:42 do and they fucking should be rewarded for it. Yeah, you want to create incentive for innovation and you want to create incentive for medical, pharmaceutical companies and everything else and scientists to come up with to make money off of innovative new therapies. Like gene therapy and shit like that. But I think the larger thing
Starting point is 01:18:00 is as soon as a government policy starts interfering with your life directly, like masks that fuck your business or you know or just shutdowns that fuck your business whatever it might be but also roe v wade now yeah that was a big overreach because now people all of us men and women are like wait a minute i i don't want the government to tell me i have to have a child there are a lot of people you get pregnant who you don't want to have a kid with there's a thousand reasons i think that's going to be that's going to decide a child. There are a lot of people you get pregnant who you don't want to have a kid with. There's a thousand reasons.
Starting point is 01:18:25 I think that's going to decide the landscape. There's that, and then there's also the reasoning behind it. It oftentimes goes into a religious perspective. And we can't have religious guidelines dictating secular people. We can't because then you're captured. And if they can get away with it with that, they can probably get away with other things. You can't have them impose their morals and ideas. Because for most people, most people think that for a child that gets raped, abortion should be an available option.
Starting point is 01:18:55 But there's some people that will argue that two wrongs don't make a right. And at conception, that's life. And I had that conversation with the guy from Babylon Bee. What if the father is the father of the child yeah that's sick sorry about those sick and questions but those are questions people have to deal with and then she's in middle school and and the father happens to be her father sorry but that's how sick the world becomes and and and she's supposed to breastfeed before or after girl scouts the people that this guy from the babylon b those are the questions he doesn't
Starting point is 01:19:24 have to deal with and i understand that there's this guy from the Babylon Bee. Those are the questions he doesn't have to deal with. And I understand that there's a religious. But that is the religious perspective. Yeah, fine. But if you talk to God, what God are you talking to? He's also not a female or a woman. Correct. Like you don't have to go through the process.
Starting point is 01:19:35 Talk to me when you're a kid. That sixth grader gets pregnant. You know what that does to her life? It's school. And also she's a victim. So you're forcing her to be further a victim. To have a baby. You're not going to support her. You're not going to help her raise that kid. And we all have kids here. It's a victim, so you're forcing her to be further a victim forever. To have a baby. You're not going to support her.
Starting point is 01:19:46 You're not going to help her raise that kid. And we all have kids here. It's a big responsibility. Her life is fucked. She's just getting started. What the fuck is wrong with you? It's outrageous. And that's just one.
Starting point is 01:19:53 That guy's an idiot. But then you go the other way and you go, at what time is a late-term abortion horrific? Well, we've come to that. When is it? But we all need to like... So the line used to be in this country, when the fetus is viable, right? So if the fetus is viable without the mother,
Starting point is 01:20:12 then you couldn't... That would be considered a labor boy. It fucks with people's heads to think that a non-viable fetus, it's still a fetus. You can see it on a sonic map. That is a potential life. It is a messy, messy question. It's a very tough question.
Starting point is 01:20:27 And the people that pretend it's not, if you pretend it's simple, it's not simple. It's not simple. It should be the woman's choice. They're the ones dealing with it. It's not our choice. It shouldn't be our choice. No. Or some dude in the government.
Starting point is 01:20:39 Exactly. Some male in the government. Or some religious person. That's what I'm saying. Who thinks that life begins at conception. Europe has term limits that a lot of times in many countries are actually more restrictive than America. Yeah. And that's something people should know.
Starting point is 01:20:50 So it's a very, very messy subject, man. But I don't think the state, I like keeping the state out of most things. Eddie? Oh, shit. Does, does. He just got knocked, he just got dropped. Wow. We didn't watch the show.
Starting point is 01:21:03 We're so into these fights. This is horrible. We shouldn't even be watching this. Well, we're waiting for the co-main event. We shouldn't watch we're so into these fights. This is horrible We shouldn't be well. We're waiting for this We shouldn't call this fight but this is probably good. Well, I think Joaquin Buckley's next they moved him up He's fighting him above. Yeah, that's a really good fight Joaquin Buckley's a fucking monster They must listen to the fans because they had some other cats on here. We're purely this don't make sense. Well If I was running shows, Joaquin Buckley is a no-brainer.
Starting point is 01:21:28 Joaquin Buckley has the greatest highlight head kick knockout ever. It's the wildest shit ever. Dude, it got so big, Kanye retweeted to his music. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty wild, that cat. Kanye. I mean, he doesn't follow MMA. That's how mainstream it is. I think Leon Edwards' head kick is the greatest head kick of all time.
Starting point is 01:21:43 It's come from behind in a title fight. Against the pound-for-pound number one guy in the world. And he's losing, and the guy's never been knocked down. One time down against Gilbert, but just touched his hand on the ground and picked it up and got right back up. Dude, he's never been taken down. He did. Colby got him down.
Starting point is 01:21:58 He should have got two points for that. Daniel Corbier said it. But statistically, he didn't, right? He didn't, but they're wrong. That's not true. Hey, dude, I'm not a statistic. Watch this again. That's my favorite right there. dude, I'm going on statistics. Watch this again. That's my favorite right there.
Starting point is 01:22:06 Watch this. Boom! That was crazy. Come on. That was crazy. And the way he rocked forward? That's a kick that I showed Eddie Bravo years ago. I'm like, no one's ever going to do this.
Starting point is 01:22:16 Whack! Do you remember? I used to do it where I would throw the sidekick on the bag and do a jump spinning sidekick? Yeah. Well, after that, this fucking highlight knockout but um someone else did it too that's crazy cheetos is pretty tasty oh cheetos got a nasty one too because look who they're doing don't get me wrong joaquin buckley's one the best ever but for raymond daniels that's who did it raymond daniels and glory had the greatest one out of those like
Starting point is 01:22:43 that one's pretty amazing but but watch Raymond Daniels. Raymond Daniels' one is like a scene in a movie. Dude, that one right there, that was a scene in a movie. Yeah, that was a scene in a movie. In a real bad MMA movie. This one is just a slight notch above it. Because Raymond Daniels, by the way, was a world champion point fighter. Savage.
Starting point is 01:23:00 And then he became a beast of a kickboxer. Daniels, do a white stripe. Raymond Daniels is a motherfucker. You can tell he's a beast of a kickboxer. Daniels, do a white stripe. Raymond Daniels is a motherfucker. You can tell he's a point fighter too. Look at him just bouncing up and down. And he just won in karate combat. He's fighting in karate combat now. But Raymond Daniels can do wild shit with his legs.
Starting point is 01:23:16 Watch this. Woo! Oh, stop. Shit. See? Was that a head kick? That was way faster. That was way faster.
Starting point is 01:23:24 Way faster. Well, Raymond Daniels, that's top of the food chain, man. Raymond Daniels is one of the best karate strikers of all time. Can we see it in slow-mo? Yeah, watch. But that was a knockdown before. He knocked him down early in the fight. But watch this head kick because it's so crazy. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Boom! It's so fast. And look how he stands over him like he's in a movie. It's almost a wheel kick. Watch this. Watch that. No, it's a jump-turning sidekick to the face. Watch this.
Starting point is 01:23:46 He touches him with that. Boom! I mean, he straight-up sidekicked him on the chin. The jaw. Amazing. You see how fast that shit is? Even in slow motion, that's crazy. Amazing.
Starting point is 01:23:54 But I will say it was faster. Watch the technique, though. It's flawless. Bro, there's zero fat in that technique. One more time. One more time. The technique is so flawless. Yeah, I finally got it that last one.
Starting point is 01:24:07 The way Raymond Daniels throws his leg straight. Watch how straight it is when he lands it. Watch this. One. Now watch how straight off the hip. I mean, bro, that is a laser beam to your chin. What a setup. Look at this.
Starting point is 01:24:20 Phenomenal. And he's in good position. The greatest setup ever. But who the fuck expects this? Nobody. And look at this. It's tough to train for he's in good position. The greatest set up ever. But who the fuck expects this? Nobody. And look at this. It's tough to train for. Speed involved in that.
Starting point is 01:24:29 That's sick. And he turns, and as he turns, he launches the kick perfectly. Making eye contact. My God, that's fucking phenomenal. The heel. Right there. Phenomenal. And the extension. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:24:39 That'll kill you. His posture. He's still fighting. Yeah. How old is he? How old is he? I think he's 38 or 39. Damn. He just won in karate combat. He just won like a week ago
Starting point is 01:24:51 How about how about fucking Mike Perry beating Mike of an unpaid? knuckle wild I gotta watch that I See all three grand did who is that? Kickboxer from Chicago black guy who all he did was throw turn in psychics. Oh, what was his name? Oh my god He's a legend in Chicago kickboxing was he on the main He was supposed to fighting and sin Mason yeah Manson Gibson Manson Gibson Manson Gibson, yes, there's a kick box name Manson Gibson All we do is throw turn in psychics like yeah Manson Gibson. Yes, yes. Dude, there's a kickboxer named Manson Gibson. Great name. All he did was throw turning sidekicks.
Starting point is 01:25:30 He just kept throwing them over and over, right? Kamara. Bubba, what did we have a $5,000 bet on? Here we go. Rewind that a little bit. Watch this. Look at this. Look at this guy.
Starting point is 01:25:39 Boom. Yeah, he threw a lot of wild shit. Boom. Look at that wheel kick. Oh, my goodness. That's a nice wheel kick. That's what he does. He does a lot of back kicks, Boom, look at that wheel kick. Oh, my goodness. That's a nice wheel kick. That's what he does. He does a lot of back kicks, spinning kicks. And he does them from up close.
Starting point is 01:25:49 Look how close he is when he's landing that. Athletic as fuck. I think he was supposed to fight John Wayne Parr a few years back, but it never came to fruition. He's a sidekick assassin is what he is. Yeah, man. Wheel kick, sidekicks. Well, you know, a lot of these guys that got into kickboxing, they started with a traditional karate background or a Taekwondo background. And they developed that ability to use that single leg.
Starting point is 01:26:10 You know, that's something that a lot of like the guys, like the Thai guys, they don't have like that wicked front leg side kick or wicked front leg roundhouse kick that comes off like a karate guy does it. It's like a different thing. And then if those guys then learn the Thai way, which is really the best way for leg kicks and elbows and inside striking, when they do that, then those guys become the elite of the elite. Have we had any guys who can kick like that? Waterboy Thompson, they can kick. Like what? In MMA,
Starting point is 01:26:37 you mean? Yeah, like the guys, some of these guys like Ray Daniels. Well, Ray Daniels fought in Bellator. He's the guy that had that 720 degree punch. You ever see that? Find that like Ray Daniels. Well, Ray Daniels fought in Bellator. He's the guy that had that 720-degree punch. He spun. You ever see that? Find that. Raymond Daniels KO in Bellator.
Starting point is 01:26:50 You're saying like guys at this level? One of the most preposterous KOs you've ever seen. Yeah, we have. I mean, like Leona Machida and Wonderboy Thompson are at that level. Wouldn't you say or no? They're a very elite level. Wonderboy Thompson is a very, very high-level kickboxer. He was undefeated in kickboxing.
Starting point is 01:27:02 Look at it. Raymond Daniels dropped that guy with the same technique. Back that up. Back that up. Oh, wait a minute. That's him? Yes. That's Raymond Daniels.
Starting point is 01:27:09 Oh, my God. I know that fight. Yes, yes. Oh, I remember that. Holy shit. But before he does this, look, before he knocks him out with that 720-degree punch, he hits him with that same technique that we just showed in Glory. How is he not in the UFC?
Starting point is 01:27:22 Watch this. Watch this. Wrestling. Boom. See, he did it right there. Yep. He dropped him, and he said, oh, I got you. UFC? Watch this. Watch this. Wrestling. Boom. See, he did it right there. Yep. He dropped him. And he said, I got you.
Starting point is 01:27:27 And then he hits him with this. Boom. Dude. Come on, son. That's Raymond Daniels, son. Dude, that's like never back down three right there, dude. He's here sometimes, too. He was here doing some wrestling training, and I think he did some jiu-jitsu training.
Starting point is 01:27:40 They've had a number of high-cover guys, Brian. Look at this. But there's no wrestling. Come on, son. No wrestling. Fuck! Yeah, that's the problem. What the fuck? Dude!
Starting point is 01:27:50 Like, Piera Stylebender's. Dude! No, Stylebender's one of the greatest strikers of all time. For sure in MMA. No question, if, ands, or buts. He's a world championship-caliber striker. He lost to Jason Willness in Glory, but I thought he should have got the nod in that fight.
Starting point is 01:28:04 He's a world championship caliber kickboxer. Even in the Pierre fight where he gets knocked out, if you go back and watch that fight, he's winning that fight until he gets knocked out. He was winning that fight, but obviously it doesn't matter. How come? Did he get beat a few times in a row? Grappling. I don't know what his record was in Bellator.
Starting point is 01:28:21 Was he getting taken down and shit or what? Let's find out. Yeah, you got to be smart about the matchups. Well, he's also, he's older now. He's older too. So they don't have time to wrestle. Yeah, it's hard for a guy that's like 38 years old. There's never been anybody ever.
Starting point is 01:28:34 So he won. He won his last fight. His last fight was Jeremiah Metcalf, and that was in Strikeforce, it says. Yeah, it looks like he's on a winning streak. No, he lost to Bellator. So his last win was 2021 in Bellator. He had a no contest. Decision.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Accidental groin strike. So he won a decision in his last fight in Bellator. Yeah. And that was in April of 2021. I mean, maybe they just let him go. I don't know what happened. Yeah, he's going to win it. He's going to win it.
Starting point is 01:29:00 That's a hell of a record. Yeah. Wow. So he didn't lose and then leave Bellator. There's never been anybody like that. I know. He's as good as it gets. That's ridiculous hell of a record. Yeah. Wow. So he didn't lose and then leave Bellator. There's never been anybody like that. I know. He's as good as it gets. That's ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:29:09 Badass. Born in 1980. Holy shit. But remember, Crow Cop 1K1. 42 years old. So he's 42. 42, yeah. So he's long in the tooth.
Starting point is 01:29:16 Damn. 6'2". Crow Cop 1K1, Overeem, you know. We've had high level guys. He got fucked up in Bellator by, excuse me, in Glory by Nikki Holtzkin. Who did? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Joe Valtellini.
Starting point is 01:29:28 Joe Valtellini. That's right. Joe Valtellini beat him up. Because Joe Valtellini started kicking his legs very early on. And Valtellini, who was a world champion in Glory, is a really high-level leg kick specialist. And he just kept trying. Find that fight. Because Valtellini, he's been on the podcast before too
Starting point is 01:29:46 he's a guy who had like severe concussions after his fight where he won the title it was so bad that he couldn't have lights on in the room I've been there I can't even look at my cell phone the light? right now you can't? oh no no come on
Starting point is 01:30:01 not from stand up yeah when I lost to I thought you were saying you do know what I want. No, no, no So this is when I lost no guy kill. This is Joseph Valtellini Which cop but the guy in the with the Canadian flag in the Italians on the right B, but that's not the fight I was asking which that's his glory debut with that was a really good fight fighting him and Raymond Daniels So he his KO of Raymond Daniels Okay. So his KO of Raymond Daniels was legendary. Because his KO of Raymond Daniels, he set it up with the low kicks, and then he knocked him out with a head kick.
Starting point is 01:30:31 So to knock a guy out as good a striker as Raymond Daniels. Oh, God. Holy shit. But it was Joe Valtellini just kept chopping at his legs, man. It was brilliant. And high guard, like real classic stance. And he just started breaking him down. And Valtellini has better hands
Starting point is 01:30:46 than Raymond. Raymond is like more of a sniper. And at this point in time, he was still a karate guy, more or less. And his legs, by this point, they're already brutalized. Like, we're deep into round three and there he goes. Watch this. This is the end. Watch this.
Starting point is 01:31:02 I mean, Valtellini finishes him off. Constant low kicks. Again with the low kick. The combinations Valtellini used were fucking magic, man. Look at this. Look how technical his striking is. Boom.
Starting point is 01:31:15 Head kick. And that's it. And that's it. So the thing is that style. Is he Italian or something? Valtellini is. Yeah, but he's Canadian. He lives in Canada. But Valtellini is, yeah, but he's Canadian. He lives in Canada.
Starting point is 01:31:26 But Valtellini's a beast, man. And so the difference is it's like that style, when you add leg kicks to a real specialist, it's not the best style because that style gets chopped up. You get your legs kicked a lot. But if you could learn that too, there's a fucking middle ground. There's a way to do it. Because if you can get a guy who's as good as Valtellini with setting up the combinations but can do the wild shit that Raymond Daniels can do, that's the perfect combination as far as striking.
Starting point is 01:31:53 But then on top of that, when it comes to MMA, you're dealing with these elite wrestlers that can just fucking take you down. You're real hesitant to throw those legs. Well, especially depending on what weight class you're in. If you're at 55, 70, and you don't have a wrestling background, you're not going to. How are you going to beat Makachev? How are you going to beat Makachev?
Starting point is 01:32:10 You can't be champ. If you throw a leg, he's catching that fucking leg. Dude, 70, 55, 45, 35, you can't be champ. You have to be able to wrestle. You have to. Or you have to be like Oliveira. Like, good luck. Take me down.
Starting point is 01:32:21 I'll fucking strangle you off my back. That's why, dude, everyone's counting him out against Makhachev. I don't know about that. You can't count Oliveira out against anyone. Oliveira's, something happened to him. And that's a great example of judging a guy by his losses. Because if you look at his losses to Cub Swanson, if you look at his losses to Paul Felder. He quit.
Starting point is 01:32:39 You're like, there's no way this guy's going to be the best in the world. He had some quit in him. Something happened. And I think they say that it's the birth of his daughter. Really? And that when his kid was born, he just changed everything. And he became just this ferocious fucking assassin in there, man. It's called dad mode.
Starting point is 01:32:55 There's no one that's been like that, where you see one version of them that kind of has a little bit of quit in them, and then a version that is unstoppable. Never. Never. And he fights like a terminator because once that's in you if that quits in you it's like oh you never meet you hear what justin said about him justin nobody ever hit me that hard gauge oh word yeah he said i felt it in my tongue what yeah he says like my fucking my whole body vibrated everyone's counting him out against
Starting point is 01:33:18 mark chubb i'm like hold on here bubba that guy has confidence and he has that dad power it's a problem. Joaquin's up right now throwing fucking kicks like a motherfucker. When he beat Chandler, he hopped the fence and was screaming something in Portuguese in my face. And I wish I knew what he was saying. I was like, you're the fucking man, bro. Apparently he has trouble seeing, right? He has terrible vision. So does Gaethje.
Starting point is 01:33:40 They have awful vision. Terrible vision. Doesn't matter. Here's Joaquin Buckley. So does Gaethje. They have awful vision. Terrible vision. Doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Here's Joaquin Buckley. But again, I've been doubting Charles Oliveira because I remember I was fighting at the same time when he was known as the quitter, so I knew him for that. So I always picked against him. Now it's like, what the fuck? You can't pick against him. It's amazing how he's transformed himself. Unreal. It's amazing.
Starting point is 01:33:57 Has kickboxing, like K-1, Glory style, would Ernesto Hoost still dominate or still do really well in his prime? Oh, yeah. In his prime? Fuck yeah. Killer, right? Bro, Ernesto Hoost still dominate or still do really well in his prime? Oh, yeah. In his prime? Fuck yeah. Killer, right? Bro, Ernesto Hoost. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:34:08 That's Mr. Perfect. Physically, he just was so special, too. That was his nickname, Mr. Perfect. Did you ever watch him versus Bob Sapp? Oh, yeah. Well, that's just too big. He fought him twice. He hurt him.
Starting point is 01:34:17 He hurt him. It's fun. Well, then that shows you how much power Crow Cop has, right? Because Crow Cop lit him up like a Christmas tree. He pissed on him. He did. I know. He fucked Bob Sapp up. him up like a Christmas tree. He pissed on him. He did. He fucked Bob Sapp up. It's like 350 pounds doesn't mean shit for this.
Starting point is 01:34:29 Crow Cop don't give a fuck. I had a long talk with Bob Sapp in an audition room. The nicest, smartest guy in the fucking world. He was so awesome. Bro, he was on top of the world in Japan. Oh, yeah. And they took it all from him. Why?
Starting point is 01:34:40 They did? He was supposed to sign some contract, and he was supposed to fight without a contract. And they wanted him to fight and they'll sign the contract afterwards. He's like, fuck this. And he left. I think that was K-1. I think it was one of those deals where there was a significant influence of
Starting point is 01:34:55 organized crime that was involved in Pride and it was a big stain on them when it went public. Have you had Rampage on there? No, I haven't. He'll talk about it off air. he'll talk a little bit on air off air his stories about fighting pride are fucking i'm like dude you got this is gold you gotta go he's like no no no i don't want no part of it like just coming up after a fight just giving a briefcase like coming up to lobby giving a briefcase like that's your win yeah it's uh but so there was some sort of a problem i don't
Starting point is 01:35:24 remember what it was. But Bob Sapp pissed him off, and that was kind of the end of the grave. He was on the front of, like, cereal boxes out there. He had his own cereal. They used to sell action figures. Bob Sapp action figures. Yeah. Such a nice guy.
Starting point is 01:35:37 Dude, when he was at the top of his game, we had never seen anything like that. He looked so scary. 370 with abs. Nuzzles. Just the physical power. And Nogu boredom bro no Gara not only that he got spiked on his head he was never changing yeah yeah not isn't it that fuck does neck up forever yeah one of the greatest fights in MMA history ever come on Bob Sapp and dude I was screaming at the top of my lungs when that shit was going on. Everyone's going for Noguera. I hate seeing that, though, because that was...
Starting point is 01:36:07 Bob Sapp is just, who knows? Who knows? 370. 370. But yo. 8% body fat? Yeah. And he's picking up Noguera, my fucking hero, picking him up and slamming him.
Starting point is 01:36:17 Broke his neck. I remember just going, he's too big. Jiu-Jitsu's not going to be enough. He's too big. He's too big. Look at him. He's too big. And then, boom, he got the arm.
Starting point is 01:36:26 He got the Kimura. And he sat back and went, wait a minute. What? What? What? We were fucking losing. We're at Larry's house. Imagine what Noguera would be like if that never happened to him and he didn't have that injury.
Starting point is 01:36:38 That injury probably changed the whole course of his career. It did. I heard him in his right hand better. Was it his Was his fights afterwards that? Was the Fedor fights after Bob Sapp? After Bob Sapp, yeah. You gotta think of that. You gotta really think of that. Like, how would Noguera have done
Starting point is 01:36:55 with Fedor if he didn't have that significant neck injury? Everybody knows, like, when a neck goes, that's a bad one, man. That's a bad one. Tatiana Swerve. 90,000 people. neck goes, that's a bad one, man. That's a bad one. That was in a stadium. Tatiana Swartzel. In Japan. It was so big in Japan. 90,000 people.
Starting point is 01:37:08 It was so big. Pride was so big. Noguera. Bob Sapp. Oh, they had everybody. That was the Super Bowl. It was the Super Bowl. It was fucking nuts. Dude, Vanderlei, Rampage.
Starting point is 01:37:19 The timeline of the history of MMA, for those of you young fans out there that are just getting into it, do yourself a favor and study the history and the timeline of MMA. This Imavov guy is legit, man. So much history. He's savage. It's not a good fight for Buckley. It's not a great fight for Buckley. Imavov is a monster.
Starting point is 01:37:40 He's teeing off, too. That was a heavy body kick, man. Those are the ones, those body kicks, where you go, oh, you felt that one. There's no way you didn't. Good elbow. The penetration. Oh, these boys are swinging. He clipped him there too.
Starting point is 01:37:51 Oh, high kick by Buckley. Close range, dude. Oh, good takedown. Oh, boy. Oh, Imovov stops. Takes the back. On top. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 01:38:00 Instant mount. Instant mount. Instant fucking mount. Very dangerous. Terrible idea to try to go to the ground with this fella. If you're a Pride fan, you still have the flavor of it because they use a lot of the Pride staff as one championship. Their walkouts and all that shit,
Starting point is 01:38:13 and they still have Muay Thai matches. They have jiu-jitsu matches. Don't they still have that crazy lady who yells? Yeah. They have that lady? I love that lady. Where is he, Mabob? Is that it?
Starting point is 01:38:21 Is that over? Is that it? No. End of the round? Oh, my God. Hold on. I want to watch this commercial, guys. I'll call Frito.
Starting point is 01:38:29 Great shirt. I don't know if you know this, but you remember that fight Sakuraba when he broke Henzo's arm? Yeah. Yes. Fuck yeah. You know who commentated that fight? Who? Me.
Starting point is 01:38:38 You did? Hey, what's up, daddy? Dude, that was the biggest foot I ever shoved down my arm. Oh, my. Because they're standing, and Henzo has his back the biggest foot I ever shoved down my arm. Because they're standing, and Henzo has his back, but they're standing with double underhooks. And Sakuraba is just like, you know, they're surviving. He's staying up.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Henzo can't drag him to the ground, and they're kind of standing. And then he puts a Kimura on Henzo, and Henzo's on his back, double underhooks, puts a Kimura on. And I say, that might work at his gym, but it ain't gonna work on Henzo. Two seconds later, he gets his arm broken. Henzo framed the picture of him getting his arm broken and put it in his studio. Do you know that? That's a bad motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:39:14 He's a bad motherfucker. Henzo is a bad motherfucker. He's my favorite. The nicest, funniest. The best. And he fought everybody. And he was down for everything. He did Abu Dhabi, MMA,
Starting point is 01:39:27 Gi Jiu Jitsu. He fucking did everything. His whole legacy. John Donaher came out of there. You know, Matt Serra. That's a legend right there. Yeah, his gym is probably one of the greatest Jiu Jitsu gyms the world has ever known. Always has a smile on his face. That guy's always smiling.
Starting point is 01:39:44 I mean, Gordon Ryan. He's always smiling he's always smiling he's always just like wasn't Gordon Ryan's teacher John Donahue yes yes yes he's out here now that's all the Henzo Gracie lineage Henzo Gracie is the fucking man you have a Henzo Gracie black belt
Starting point is 01:40:00 holy shit are you legit can we see that arm break you get a Hickson Gracie black belt holy shit you get a Henzo Gracie black belt holy shit are you legit there's like black like hickson you get a hicks and gracie black belt holy shit you get a henzo gracie black belt holy shit you know anything associated with henzo black belt yeah here we go here it is oh no you gotta rewind it a little bit look at the arm he's such a bad motherfucker i can't look at it though well remember no your boy no gear too refused to tap against frank bear yep. Yep. It's not in their blood, man. So Henzo's trying to get out of it.
Starting point is 01:40:26 This is so goddamn. Look at this. I go, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. Fuck. Sakuraba's a savage. He's a savage, though. Such a savage.
Starting point is 01:40:36 He's telling them he broke it. He's like, I broke it. That shit's broken. He's screaming at the ref. Look at Henzo. He's like, listen, it's fucking broken. Henzo doesn't give a fuck. Look at the arm.
Starting point is 01:40:44 Look, as he gets up. Henzo's the baddest motherfucker, man. Look at him. I love Henzo. He's also the the ref. Look at Hanzo. Listen, it's fucking broken. Doesn't give a fuck. Look at the arm. As he gets up. Hanzo's the baddest motherfucker, man. Look at him. I love Hanzo. He's also the greatest guy I know. He'd been successful at whatever he did. Yes, he would have. That spiral break that Noguera got and that a couple other guys have gotten, that's the
Starting point is 01:40:56 scariest one. Because that sounds so horrific, and that means your upper arm just shatters all the way through. Really? And the torque from Frank Mir. Oh, my God. Because Frank Mir's not like a slow. He's huge.
Starting point is 01:41:09 Chuck! And Frank Mir's huge. So they have to cut open your arm, and they have to screw that thing back together again. Really? And hope it heals up. Yeah, and it's like little pieces and shit. Fuck that.
Starting point is 01:41:19 So they screw the pieces into place. It shatters. It shatters. It's a horrible break. Dude. Might be the worst. It's one of the worst breaks. I'd be passing.
Starting point is 01:41:26 I don't know, man. A lot of historic fights in Pride. Man, there's at least 25 insane epic stadium fights. Greatest of all time fights in MMA. Screaming. Crow Cop versus Fedor. It was so big. They were some of the greatest fights. Rampage.. Crow Cop versus Fedor. It was so big. They were some of the greatest fights.
Starting point is 01:41:45 Rampage. We knocked out Paulo Filho. Oh, my God. Dude, Noguera versus Mark Coleman. Are you fucking kidding me? How about Mark Coleman and Crow Cop? I'm sorry. Randleman and Crow Cop.
Starting point is 01:41:56 Oh, shit. We slammed them, knocked them down. Imagine that power. How about Arona Rampage? Oh, my God. Arona Rampage. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:42:04 That slam. That slam. Greatest slam of all time. A Roto Rampage. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That slam. That's a good fight. That slam. The greatest slam of all time. The greatest slam of all time. And knocks him completely. Picks him up like a pillow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:12 Slams him to the ground. Musashi, Jacare. Oh, my God. When he up kicked him in the triangle. Oh, my God. Yeah. Come on, man. There's like so many epic fights.
Starting point is 01:42:20 I think that was actually Dream. Was that Dream? You might be right. Might be Dream. You may be right. Dream had some classic shit too. a lot of Aoki stuff. Remember Melvin Manhoff versus Mark Hunt? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:42:31 Melvin Manhoff against Robin Miller? Melvin Manhoff KO'd Mark Hunt with one punch, like eight seconds into the fight. Dude, how that guy never got to the UFC is beyond. Melvin Manhoff? Bro. Didn't he fight? How did did Robbie not get into the UFC? How did that happen? Robbie Lawler knocked him out.
Starting point is 01:42:50 Yeah, Robbie. He was fucking Robbie. But he was kicking his legs so hard, and then Robbie just went, Robbie hit him with the haymaker. I know. He was losing that fight bad. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:42:58 He was kicking his legs. It was so awful. Remember when Joe Schilling knocked him out in Bellator? Yeah, man. Yeah, Melvin fought in Bellator, and him and Joe Schilling had a fucking slobber. Joe Schilling's a bad motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:43:08 Joe Schilling's a bad motherfucker. Dude, I met Gordon Ryan at Sheepdog Response with Tim. I didn't know how tall and big he was. He's enormous. Holy fuck. He's a science project. Holy shit. Gordon Ryan?
Starting point is 01:43:19 Oh, my God. He's amazing. He's the goat. And his girlfriend is no joke either. Did you bend down to one knee or what? Well, I was- You should have. Yeah, 100%. Did you bend down to one knee or what? Well, I was producing. Did you give him toe holds? I was producing so much.
Starting point is 01:43:29 I did. Did you pitch him your tour dates? I was producing so much. Guys, Raleigh, North Carolina, good night. September 8th, 9th, and 10th. Oh, no. BrianCallen.com. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:43:40 Joe will post about it. Oh, even my mom's got his back. Joe will tweet about it. Even my mom's got his back. Yeah, it's a tough fight for Buckley. They're not doing him any favors here. Yeah, Emo Mob's got his back. Joe, tweet about it. Emo Mob's got his back. Yeah, it's a tough fight for Buckley. They're not doing him any favors here. Yeah, it's a tough fight. But that's the UFC.
Starting point is 01:43:51 Ed Soar said it best. I forget who they matched me up with, and I go, I'm worried about it. He goes, you're in the UFC. You should be able to fight all comers. He goes, I don't sign anybody who can't fight and win against anybody in the UFC. Oh, he's got the neck. Right. He's on the chin.
Starting point is 01:44:04 He's going chin. No, he doesn't have it anymore. It's not comfortable. Buckley's fighting it off. That body. How do you get out of that body lock? You gotta roll to the side where it's locked and you gotta try to separate the legs. So on the other side it should be. You should roll to his left. You gotta roll to his left because when the leg is up like that. There's a lot of shit going on these days.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Some guys can do it even when it's on the bottom and they have good ankle flexibility. It's evolved. Just the body triangle and that game and opening it, you could write a book on it now. Is that true? It's a lot of different things. Have you got a video on it?
Starting point is 01:44:33 Do you have a video on it? There's a bunch of different ways you can open it. I am not the greatest at opening body triangles. I mean, I can. I'm actually pretty good at opening body triangles. I mean, I can't. I'm actually pretty good at one flexible way, you know. But there's like dudes that they have whole systems of how to open those body triangles. Do you need your hands? There's a lot of moves.
Starting point is 01:44:53 It gets really complicated now that we're focusing on like EBI OT, like the OT rounds where you start on a guy's back. Championships are won and lost because of those overtime rounds. Those overtime rounds, you're going to hit a 60-man tournament, you have to win four matches. One of them is going to go to overtime, generally. Every now and then, a dude wins the whole thing
Starting point is 01:45:15 and he subs everybody in regulation. It's a bad motherfucker. Every now and then, that happens. But usually, the guy who wins it all, he won two in OT and then two in regulation. He won one in OT, three in regulation, or sometimes all in OT. So those OT rounds become so goddamn important. So you practice them a lot.
Starting point is 01:45:34 And then it ends up being a sport in itself. They're not real skulls. Is that real? I was going to say Theo probably wants to buy one. No, this is from Jack of the Dust. Jack of the Dust is an artist. He makes a lot of really dope shit. And he makes these cool Day of the Dust. Jack of the Dust is an artist. He makes a lot of really dope shit, and he makes these cool
Starting point is 01:45:46 Day of the Dead skulls. Theo said his biggest regret was not buying this human skull in Africa. That's his biggest regret. My biggest regret. That's his biggest regret. He goes, I'll tell you what, man. I think about it when I wake up. He goes, it was a good deal, too, about 80 bucks, man. I think about it to this day. I go,
Starting point is 01:46:01 a real human skull? He goes, yeah, I wish I got it. Well, there you go. He's out of his mind. Do you know those Chinese exhibits? Those exhibits, the bodies exhibits? Yeah. Do you know those are all Chinese unclaimed bodies? Well, that's very disturbing. So there's political prisoners.
Starting point is 01:46:16 There are people that were executed. Yeah, dude, it's dark. And imagine when you watch those things. If you watch those things, you go to one of those exhibits. I've been to one. Like the skeleton muscle and stuff? If that was a serial killer's basement, it would be the most horrific thing you've ever seen. You're like, well, look at this sick fuck.
Starting point is 01:46:35 This sick fuck has dressed this guy up like a tennis player. Yeah. I mean, I'd go to it, but yeah. He's got his body frozen like a tennis player. And their dicks are out and stuff? When you find out, yeah, their dicks are out. That's insane. They saw a woman in two around her vagina.
Starting point is 01:46:49 It's wild. It's insane. It's wild. If you saw that any other place, you would say this is a serial killer. Yeah. But because you have to pay for it. Yeah. And you go, oh, it's an exam.
Starting point is 01:46:57 It's an exam. Yeah, you think you're good. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, the body's exhumed. Yes. Yeah. It's called, I think it's called plastinization. I went to it in Denver.
Starting point is 01:47:04 I think that's what it's called. So they take the body and they immerse it where it embeds with plastic. Sort of like they, you know, they do with like, they can do it with like knife handles and types of wood. They embed it with plastic so it doesn't ever smell or rot. And they can pose it in these weird forms. You have a guy like sprinting. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:21 And then you like, you see like his legs dissected. It's crazy shit because it seems like so disrespectful to this corpse that we have this guy's body out there. And then when you find out that these guys are political prisoners. Fuck around, find out. Fuck around, find out. My mother was in this souk, this like old marketplace in somewhere in the world. I think maybe Yemen. And she found they were selling a mummified human heart.
Starting point is 01:47:50 Like this dried, old heart. Jesus Christ. And you know what's crazy about that story? I don't know if that story came from my mother. That's a lie, right? It's not a lie, but I don't know if my mom told me that story. Somebody else's story. Boys, they are throwing down.
Starting point is 01:48:03 That's why I said my mom. These guys are throwing down. Boys, they are throwing down. That's why I said my mom. These guys are throwing down. Yes, they're throwing down. Buckley is winging hammers at Imelbov. He's trying to take him out. Buckley's got some tits on him, too. He's got some tits. Look at that.
Starting point is 01:48:16 He's so powerful, man. Yes, he is. And he also has the faith that he can land one of these fucking things and take the two down. Look how big Imelbov is, though. He's fucking ginormous. But he's putting a pace on him. Buckley's putting a pace on him here in this third round. It's amazing.
Starting point is 01:48:27 In a fight where, oh, Imavov tagged him. Damn, he can stand in the pocket and catch those shots, though. He fires back, man. Yeah. Buckley got that cardio. It's crazy how good his cardio is when you look at how muscular he is. I know. But it's hard, too.
Starting point is 01:48:40 You know, it's just the will. Have you talked to Usman about how he never gets tired? He trains like a motherfucker, dude. I mean, the guy is. He can't run because his knees are bad. So what's he doing? He does a lot of plyometrics. He can do shit.
Starting point is 01:48:54 He can do airdyne. He just can't. The constant pounding on his knees is just too painful. His cartilage is all fucked up in his knees. How was he headwise, Joe? You talking about the knockout? Dude, he was great. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:04 He was great. He was, like, humble in in defeat and laughed about it said leon gave me a nice 20 minute nap yeah he talked about how he woke up in the hospital exactly how i should do it yeah listen man he still thinks he's the best in the world i tell what i feel sorry for you have to fight him next i'll tell you that much well uh it's gonna be probably leon i would imagine unless homzat starches nate and I bet they jump him. But even if Hamzat starches Nate, the big fight is the rematch. The big fight's not Hamzat. Not yet.
Starting point is 01:49:32 I mean, Hamzat could be a big fight. He's a fucking star. There's no question about it. But you just watched the greatest come-from-behind head kick knockout in history. You don't want to see the rematch? The only way they could fuck that up is if somebody beats Leon. Then you don't have the rematch. Or you have the rematch and it's not for the title. Yeah, that'd be a bummer. Are they going to see the rematch. The only way they could fuck that up is if somebody beats Leon. Then you don't have the rematch. Or you have the rematch and it's not for the title.
Starting point is 01:49:47 Yeah, that'd be a bummer. Are they going to make that rematch, you think, really soon? Yeah, I think they will. It's a tough fight for Leon. It is insane. I agree. Throwing hammers, bro. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:49:57 He just keeps throwing down. They're both fighting so well. This is amazing. Oh, don't knee him. Oh, shit. Dude. Holy fuck, dude. This is a close fight, man. Buckley got some cardio. This is amazing. Oh, don't knee him. Oh, shit. Dude, holy fuck. This is a close fight, man. Buckley got some cardio.
Starting point is 01:50:09 Look at that. He's throwing down. Imavov won the first two. For a muscular guy, this cardio is insane. You know, because we always assume that guys that are built like that, they just can't go.
Starting point is 01:50:18 Right. But Buckley is the one pushing the pace here in the third. I mean, Imavov, look at his head. A lot of heart. His head's bobbing around. Yeah, a lot of heart.
Starting point is 01:50:25 He's fucking tired, man. There's like subtle body cues you can see when a guy is starting to just become so exhausted it's hard for them to carry on at a pace. And you can see that now. Look how Buckley shucked him off. It's a fight, dude. Buckley's just coming.
Starting point is 01:50:39 But Yimovov's still swinging too, man. Fuck. What a fight. And we were just talking nonsense about flip-flops. Don't say flip-flops. Say toeholds. This is 85? Yeah, middleweight.
Starting point is 01:50:53 Wow. But Buckley's 85 for 13 seconds. Oh, shit. He's a big fella. Dude, Buckley's throwing bombs. Dude. They're not landing. No, they're not.
Starting point is 01:51:04 If he can do that for five rounds, imagine if he could do that for five rounds, who's going to stop him? It'd be tough to do for five rounds. Good fight. Look at that. He literally gave everything he had. Good fight. But even if he loses his decision, you want to talk about your stock going up?
Starting point is 01:51:16 Right there. Yeah. Right there. Because you know he's going to bring it. That guy was winging him to the very end. He was the underdog in that fight. That's a tough fight for him, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:24 It's a tough fight, and it's a fight that you're going to have a lot of fucking grappling. Imovov is a super high-level grappler. It's a great fucking fight. Good fight. I think we ought to go back and watch it someday. He looked like a super high-level striker, too, Imovov. He was able to stand right there. If he's ranked 11, he's a fucking monster.
Starting point is 01:51:44 Jesus. God, it's so competitive. UFC? Fuck. It's going to be the worst time being in the UFC. Fuck being in any weight class in the UFC right now. It's so hard, man. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:51:54 You can't fuck up anything, man. 45, 55, 70, 85. So many elite technical guys. Monsters. You've got to be on the ball. It's almost like what they were talking about with swimming, right, in the Olympics. How dare you? The difference between fourth place and first place is two blinks of an eye.
Starting point is 01:52:11 Yeah, but swimming though, right? But I'm just saying, I don't give a fuck about swimming, but the margin for error. Two blinks of an eye. That's pretty crazy. Do that. How long is that? How long is two blinks? And same with skiing.
Starting point is 01:52:22 Downhill skiing? That's nuts. It's two, blink twice. That's crazy. That's true. That's first and fourth. Yeah, that's crazy. And that's swimming too.
Starting point is 01:52:30 So like, that's why they don't trim their fingernails. All kinds of weird shit they do just to get a little like, you know. Aren't they hairless and shit? Oh, dude. Hairless. Also your suit. Like the suit you wear makes all. It's a crazy size.
Starting point is 01:52:41 Also if you were born a man. Well, that can help. Is that it? That can help. And you just destroy bitches? Yeah. That seems like hell. Destroy, if you're born a man. Well, that can help. That can help. And you just destroy bitches. Yeah, if you're six-four. Destroy. And you still have your dick, and you still have everything else.
Starting point is 01:52:50 Does that help? She beats the rest of those hoes by an hour. You watch this. She gets out, she goes, oh, you're just getting done? This was hilarious. This was a fucking hell of a fight. It wasn't, though, B. The third round was.
Starting point is 01:53:03 The first and second. Yeah, there it is. Imovab. Monster. Monster. Good fight, though. Hell of a fight. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:12 We should watch more of it. Me too. Paris is packed. Yeah, that's a big deal. It was illegal in France for a long time, which is kind of crazy. Considering the heavyweight champion learned there. Nuts. And Cyril gone.
Starting point is 01:53:25 Yeah, Cyril gone there, though. But I wish Francis was on this card. But with Francis, they were really pushing for him to fight in that December card against John is what I heard. And then he said he's not coming back until early 2023. Why? Well, he's got to do his knee right, man. You don't want to rush it. ACL reconstructive surgery, that could be a year before it feels 100%.
Starting point is 01:53:43 This is Francis. It really depends on Ivano. I want him to get that Fury fight. If it goes on too long, it's going to be tough for him to get. Fury just challenged Usyk. Did you watch Usyk, Joshua? Usyk's only 220.
Starting point is 01:53:58 Fundamentally and technical, just so sound. And his never-ending movement. Never-ending movement. Bobending movement bobbing and weaving But I'll tell you what Anthony Joshua's putting it on him and it was like the ninth round Yeah, he hit him with some fucking bomb. So it was just take keep up technique wise Well, he's also he's so good defensively so good at rolling with shots and not being there for the next shot and then landing something That keeps you off him. There's free furies a fucking fight cuz furious technical to
Starting point is 01:54:23 He's so big. And footwork. Did you see the video he made for him? No. Oh, he made a video. You middleweight bitch. Oh, hilarious. Let's see it. Let's see it.
Starting point is 01:54:31 Dude, just knock this. You see how that front kick can knock this fucking mouthpiece out? And remember, Usyk's Ukrainian too, so he's dealing with some heavy shit. Yes, heavy shit. Heavy shit. Do you have a favorite on the Tuivasa-Sirogan fight? I'm a Tuivasa fan, but it's a fucking tough fight for Tai Tuivasa. Tai Tuivasa's the man.
Starting point is 01:54:47 He's the man. I love that dude. We want Tai Tuivasa to win. Just don't slugfest him. I love Syrogan's style. But not as much. Let's play this. Play this.
Starting point is 01:54:54 So funny. This is him. You bitch. Usek. Middleweight. You say you want the WBC, and it's held by gypsies. It is held by gypsies. It is held by gypsies. It's held by the Gypsy King and it's held tightly.
Starting point is 01:55:08 Grasp tight and all road leads to a seven-foot behemoth that will absolutely destroy you, middleweight. Middleweight, you will get smashed to bits. You say you wanted to fight me after you beat the bodybuilder. Called me out on television and now you're being a little bitch pussy boy. Running. Hiding.
Starting point is 01:55:28 Saying you've got injuries. You ain't got no injuries. You had a sparring contest. Get out and fight in December. You let your mouth go. Now let's back it up. See if you can back it up, middleweight. Doesn't matter if it's December or April or August next year.
Starting point is 01:55:43 The outcome will be the same. I will obliterate you. I'm a 7'20 stone behemoth, and I will destroy you, middleweight. Find your balls. Come see me. Bitch. Fuck!
Starting point is 01:55:56 The best ever. He's the best ever. What a great talker. He's the best. Why does he call him middleweight? The only better talker is fucking me. Because he's small. He's the cruiserweight champion. Usyk's 220. But Usyk fought at middleweight? Because he's small. Because he's small. He's just the cruiserweight champion.
Starting point is 01:56:05 Usyk's 220. But Usyk fought at middleweight in amateur box. So he calls him middleweight. And he's a golden. He fought cruiserweight. He fought cruiserweight. What weight did he fight in in amateurs? Not heavyweight.
Starting point is 01:56:16 I think cruiserweight. No. No, he was a world champion as a cruiserweight. You guys are saying Bubba? But I think he was lighter than that as an amateur boxer. Yes. Correct. That was the question. He's a cruiserweight. You guys are saying Bubba? But I think he was lighter than that as an amateur boxer. Yes. Correct. That was the question.
Starting point is 01:56:26 He's a fucking... He was a cruiserweight champion, and then he just realized there was no money in it. Did he fight... What did he fight in the not professional career? Jamie, I'm talking about this amateur record. Amateur. Amateur career. Does it say what weight?
Starting point is 01:56:39 He moved up to light heavyweight, so he won the... That's 175. Yeah. So that's... Okay, so slightly below cruiserweight, but still, 175 versus the light heavyweight. So he won the- That's 175. Yeah. So that's slightly below cruiserweight. But still, 175 versus the Gypsy King. The Gypsy King is gigantic. Wow.
Starting point is 01:56:51 He's not really seven foot though, right? He competed in the heavyweight prior to turning professionals. Six, seven maybe. He competed in the heavyweight division in the World Series of Boxing prior to turning professional. So he fought some amateur fights as a heavyweight as well. He's a fucking problem, man. Oh, he's so technical. He's so good. So he fought some amateur fights as a heavyweight as well. He's a fucking problem, man. Oh, he's so technical.
Starting point is 01:57:08 So is Fury. But he's also a guy that really shouldn't be fighting at that weight. So he did fight in the European Championships at middleweight at one point. What does he look like? Oh, he's phenomenal, man. Who's Music? He's so good. He's the logo for Ukraine.
Starting point is 01:57:21 Is he American? No, he's Ukrainian. Ukrainian? Yeah, he's a he's a bad motherfucker dude fights out of Lomachenko's camp right holy shit he's so good he's so good dude technically what put on a highlight reel put on a Usyk versus Joshua highlight because in the first fight man in the last round he put it on yes to the point where who should who should Usyk Joshua one
Starting point is 01:57:44 highlight did you fight fight one highlight do you see Joshua get on the on Joshua to the point where Usyk-Joshua won highlight. Fight won highlight. Do you see Joshua get on the mic after? It's like, what are you doing, dude? You lost the fight. Yeah, that was very strange. Get the fuck out of here. Very out of character for him, I felt. He's in a tough space, man. Who said that? Joshua got on the mic after he lost. What'd he say? It was like Usyk's time
Starting point is 01:58:02 and he was like, you know, people would say, oh, you're a big puncher. Why don't you do this? He's like, because I'm this heavy, and it was just this weird rant. Look how good he is. Look how good Usyk is. So good. And Joshua's smaller in this fight.
Starting point is 01:58:14 He came in bigger in the second fight. And he has new coaching now. Yeah. I mean, I think Joshua is a murderous puncher, murderous. But Usyk's technical skill is at such a high level that it's hard for him to catch him. Very superior. He's so good. And he's constantly moving, man.
Starting point is 01:58:31 You don't find that in the heavyweight division. A guy who's just constantly head movement, foot movement. Is he the most successful Ukrainian boxer? No, Lomachenko is one of the best as well. Is he heavyweight? No, he started off as a featherweight. As far as heavyweights go, this is the number one guy from Ukraine ever? Well, no, because Vladimir...
Starting point is 01:58:52 Yeah, I mean the Klitschko brothers. The Klitschko. Oh, they're Ukrainian too? They're both Ukrainian. Oh, shit, okay. Vladimir and Vitaly are both Ukrainian. And Vitaly's on the government. Yeah, he's a mayor, right?
Starting point is 01:59:02 Yeah, and him and his brother flew there and are fighting the Russians. Hey, Joe, he looks just every bit as thick as Joshua, though, here. Well, in the first fight, Joshua came in a little smaller, but he's still quite a bit bigger. He's still 240. He's much taller than him, too. Yeah, Usyk's a small B, 220. But it's just what you're seeing is Usyk just with a superior boxing style. How tall is Joshua?
Starting point is 01:59:23 6'5"? He's got to be close to that. Look at that left hand. I'd like to see Joshua Wilder now. Yeah, Joshua Wilder would be crazy. And Joshua's, I mean, back against the wall. Go into the final round, Jamie,
Starting point is 01:59:38 because the final round is when he really put it on him. The final round was crazy. Usyk was just, the combinations and the pace that he put on Joshua was insane and it's just it's never ending good too here I mean he just he just was exhausted at this point you know and Usyk is just never-ending punches and you can't hit him he's just moved so well his head movement is so superior and so Joshua is trying to like preserve his energy and he's getting tagged and touched up.
Starting point is 02:00:05 Like, here he's getting touched up. Here starts the end of the fight. Damn. I mean, Usyk is just hitting him with a barrage of shit. And this is the 12th and final round, man. And Joshua is just exhausted at the end of it. I mean, he's so tired. Look at his body language.
Starting point is 02:00:19 He turns away. And that's how Usyk won the title. The second fight was closer, but Usyk won title the second fight was closer but uh who sick won again the second fight but he didn't he never had him hurt like that where he was really in deep shit damn him against Tyson Fury Tyson's too big that's too big too and also Tyson Hill fundamentally sound to his sick want it is he calling him out I don't know yeah yeah who's it called him out when after you money called him out then that's what know, man. Yeah, Usyk called him out. After he won, he called him out. Then that's what Fury's responding to.
Starting point is 02:00:45 He ain't that small. No, he's not. Dude, he ain't that small. But 220 versus 280? 220, yeah. And Fury's every bit of it. Like, Fury has to. I didn't know anything about Usyk 15 minutes ago.
Starting point is 02:00:56 I'm all into it. You guys are into it. Oh, he's a savage. Dude, I was a boxing encyclopedia growing up. I watched fucking Tuesday Night Fights, every pay-per-view. I knew everybody in the top 10 of every weight division. I was so into it until I saw UFC. I'm like, fuck all that.
Starting point is 02:01:13 Threw away all my boxing magazines. You and I were watching that one time. I was like, I forgot everything. Look at this Chimaez Diaz card. This is fucking amazing. That Johnny Walker. Kevin Holland versus D-Rod. That's a great fight right there. Dude, D-Rod's so fun to watch.
Starting point is 02:01:26 Lee Jingleon versus Tony Ferguson. That's going to be wild, too. 10th Planet. 10th Planet. Two in a row. Tony Ferguson, Jingleon. Interesting. Tony Ferguson.
Starting point is 02:01:34 Very, very interesting. Tony went to Jackson's, right? Isn't that 10th Planet? For a week, I think, he went out there. The Kevin Holland, D-Rod fight is very interesting to me. That's a very interesting fight. Hell yeah. D-Rod can box.
Starting point is 02:01:48 He can fucking box. Not only that, Kevin Holland at welterweight is a motherfucking problem. That's a great fight. That's fight night written all over it. It says, so what is the catchweight going to be? 170. But it's not. I mean, that's welterweight.
Starting point is 02:02:00 Why would it be catchweight? There has to be a mistake. See, Jamie will look it up. Did D-Rod start as a boxer? He's welterweight. It has to be a mistake. See, Jamie will look it up. Did D-Rod start as a boxer? He's got good hands. He's been with Joe Schilling for the last seven, eight years. Oh, yeah. Savage.
Starting point is 02:02:13 Always puts on a show. Yes, monster. Very, very good fighter. Speaking of monsters. Tough, tough dude. This is a great fight next. Vittori and Robert Whitaker is a great fight. I almost wish this was a five-rounder.
Starting point is 02:02:24 Me too. This is a three-rounder, and Vittori is a fucking gas tank fiend. Vittori and Robert Whittaker is a great fight. I almost wish this was a five-rounder. Me too. This is a three-rounder, and Vittori is a fucking gas tank fiend. Vittori's great. He's got amazing skills. Have you had him on here? No, I haven't. I had Vittori on Food Truck. He's such a good dude.
Starting point is 02:02:34 You like him a lot? Oh, dude. That's the problem. I have these guys on the show, and I fall in love with them. I can't pick against them. It says this fight is scheduled to be at 180. 180. Kevin Holland and D-Rod at 180.
Starting point is 02:02:44 So it's a straight catchweight. That's so strange. But D-Rod, has he been fighting 85? Yeah. Or has he been fighting 70? He's been fighting 85, right, Jamie? His last few have been at, I know he came in at 85. Yeah, I think he's 85.
Starting point is 02:02:56 Right? It says both fighters have fluctuated between welterweight and middleweight in the past. Okay. Yeah. Okay, I like that. What's interesting about Vittori Whitaker, it's like, okay, the winner, you're not fighting Izzy again. He's beat both of you twice.
Starting point is 02:03:08 Well, you know, maybe they're counting on something crazy happening in the Pereira fight. You know? If Pereira wins. God, it's like you work for the UFC or something. You know, I didn't even think of that. Yeah. I was like, why the fuck would, like, you win this. Anyway, because these are the two guys.
Starting point is 02:03:22 I mean, this is the big fight to make. And this is like the big dick contest. Like, let's go. Who's the man next for the title? Isn't it weird they haven't fought before? Like, they've perennial top ten for how long now? Have they been scheduled to fight before? No, never.
Starting point is 02:03:37 Here's my thing about this. So let's just say— About this fight? No, no, no. I'm talking about Izzy and Piera, okay? Piera? And I think you and I talked about this, but I don't want to get Joe's perspective on this. So Piera, maybe just because of his striking.
Starting point is 02:03:49 Piera. Yeah, he takes out. Or Pereira. He takes out. You say Pereira if you want to be English. Okay. Pereira. Pereira.
Starting point is 02:03:55 Pereira. So he takes out, let's just say he takes out Izzy, one of your most dynamic superstars who really adds so much. Top five in the UFC. Yeah, 100%. And he's awesome. Now, when you're fighting Pajero and you're at 85,
Starting point is 02:04:11 anybody else is going to fucking wrestle him immediately, right? Yes, well, that's why it's a real problem with Vittori. Vittori's a beast. Well, don't get it twisted. People sleep on Whittaker. Whittaker's a beast, too.
Starting point is 02:04:21 Whittaker was supposed to be on the Australian national team, but the UFC nixed it. Listen, and his striking Is fucking excellent And he almost beat Izzy in the rematch That was a very close fight
Starting point is 02:04:30 Until you got starched It was very No the rematch The rematch In the rematch Oh yeah it was a great fight Robert Whitaker almost beat him You know he got starched
Starting point is 02:04:38 In the first fight And he came back In the second fight And fought really smart Yes And you know Vittori Went to split decision with Izzy Yeah
Starting point is 02:04:44 But then the rematch, Izzy kind of lit him up. Yes, exactly. That was the early fight he went to split decision with. The rematch, Izzy. But he did take Izzy down. Yes.
Starting point is 02:04:53 Look, he's a fucking very powerhouse and he's so big. When you stand next to him, you have a really hard time imagining he's 185 pounds. No, Marvin. Marvin's thick. Izzy's big too,
Starting point is 02:05:03 but Izzy's tall and long. Izzy's tall. He's really long. When Izzy came on my show, he's like, dude, he's thick. Izzy's big too, but Izzy's tall and long. Izzy's tall. He's really long. When Izzy came on my show, he's like, dude, I hear people, you said this before, I'm small. He's like, I'm telling you, man. I was like, he's taller than me. I was like, I didn't realize how fucking tall you were. He's like, I'm telling you, I can fight light heavyweights.
Starting point is 02:05:17 He's long. His reach is phenomenal. He's so good at distance control. I mean, that reach and height is a big advantage with Izzy. His fight IQ too is what makes him an outlier. He sets you up. He's so good at distance control. I mean, that reach and height is a big advantage with Izzy. His fight IQ, too, is what makes him an outlier. Off the charts. He sets you up. He's setting you up. He's making you move in a certain way. Vittori said it. Vittori said it. He goes, I fought him twice, man. I go, what makes him special?
Starting point is 02:05:34 He goes, he throws so much smoke. I couldn't get through it, man. It was like, you're looking at all this shit, and he's making you worry about all this stuff. He's like, I've never seen it. He's like, I've just never seen it. It was in fighting him the first time, he did the same thing. The second time, I was like, I know what he's going to do. It was a
Starting point is 02:05:49 completely different game plan. He's like, it's just too much shit to deal with. Yeah, you know, he calls everybody else button pushers. They're like when they're playing a game, they just smash some buttons hoping it works out. That's what Izzy said? Yeah, Izzy's setting everybody up. But Vittori, I guarantee you, he's all of 215 pounds right now.
Starting point is 02:06:05 I'm sure. He's a big fella. It's really hard to believe that he makes 85 with no problem. Vittori's also a guy who he's obsessed with getting better. Yeah. He'll watch tape and he's like, I gotta get better at this, and he'll just focus on that. Like jiu-jitsu or wrestling, he'll focus on that.
Starting point is 02:06:20 He's a fucking problem. I mean, he beat up Paul Acosta, and Paul Acosta, he didn't even have to cut weight for that fight. He's a real problem for a lot of people, man. And he's with Rafael Cordero. He's like one of the greatest coaches of all time. I mean, old school
Starting point is 02:06:35 shoot-the-box guy. You know, and Rafael Cordero's done an amazing job with Benil Dariush, you know, with a lot of fighters over there. Tough guys coming out of there. And he trained Tyson. Tyson, that's right. And then he was Radum's main guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:49 Javier Cordero's a man. This is. He's the man. Whitaker obviously doesn't come out of the same camp as Izzy, but were they ever in the same camp since they're from New Zealand? Two different camps. Completely different. Yeah, one's Australia, one's New Zealand.
Starting point is 02:07:03 Yeah, he's from Australia. Oh, right. No. But they do mix up together. Yeah, he's from Australia. Oh, right. No, no. But they do mix up together. Freestyle fighting from Australia, you know, where Volkanovski's from. Volkanovski does spend time over in New Zealand, and they swap camps, but that's a different. But those are connected. Freestyle fighting.
Starting point is 02:07:16 Yes. Freestyle fighting and city kickboxing, they work together. Yes. And then Taito Avasa's on his own. They don't really cross-pollinate there. Australia's fucking huge Yeah, yeah, so you're like, oh I can't believe you work together. That's why I said tied to a bus. He's a bitch You know pay gosh. I was like, oh
Starting point is 02:07:38 It's huge it's massive it's the same size as the contiguous United States with the same population as California. Now, Whitaker's talking about going to light heavyweight. It's crazy because he started off as a welterweight. He started off at 170. Who did? Whitaker. I didn't know. He lost to Wonderboy and then went to middleweight. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:56 He became champ. He was draining himself too much. Jeez. I mean, it goes back to the argument that I've had a thousand times that I think there should be way more weight classes. The gap between 180 and 205 is so bananas. How about 206 to 265? Nuts.
Starting point is 02:08:11 Because I was a small – people see me like, oh, you're massive. I was a small heavyweight. Yeah. I never found a guy my size. Do you have like 135, 140, 145? No. 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 205, 225 heavyweight.
Starting point is 02:08:27 That's the plan. That's totally doable. 205, 225 is too big. How dare you? Also, it makes more stars. You have more belts. That's what the UFC predicates their business model. 10 pounds, not 15 pounds. You went from fixing it to making it way worse.
Starting point is 02:08:43 205 to 225? With big guys, it's not the same percentage of body weight. If you're losing 10 pounds at 135 pounds, you're losing a lot of weight. If you're losing 10 pounds at 225 pounds, it's not much. It's not much. That makes sense. To Joe's point, between the 155 to 170, there's so many guys. So at 155, 1 through 50 are fucking
Starting point is 02:09:08 monsters so if you made 165 you're going to get more talent and then those guys might get a chance to become world champions and this guy that is tweeners like Diego Sanchez who's never quite a 55 was too hard for him to make 45 he's too small I like that though
Starting point is 02:09:23 it's like that gangster area. 155 to 170. But then it favors body type. I like that. We got to be professional about it. Dude, Neil Magny, I stood in the mirror, and I was 170, and he fights at 170. He's so much taller and bigger at 170. He's not big.
Starting point is 02:09:38 But what would you call that weight? He's so thin. He was 190 at the time or more in 6'4", 6'3". He's so fucking much bigger. I was just like. And he's not big compared to Hamzat. He's a small guy. Hamzat's bigger than him.
Starting point is 02:09:50 A lot bigger than him. What weight would you call 165? What kind of weight is that? I don't think we should have weights anyway. Super weight? I think the name weight is dumb. Like catch, welterweight, light heavyweight. First of all, it's different than boxing.
Starting point is 02:10:00 And boxing had it first. So welterweight and boxing is 147, but it's 170 in the UFC. It's so confusing. Explain that. That doesn't make any sense. It's new era. So welterweight and boxing is 147, but it's 170 in the UFC. It's so confusing. Explain that. That doesn't make any sense. So you want to get rid of weight? But it makes sense now. It doesn't matter where it came from. That's like the argument of calling a fucking Porsche Taycan Turbo
Starting point is 02:10:15 because it's the same name. There's no sense to it, but it's done. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be. The most important thing is the championship. The championship is the most important thing and the weight class is the most important thing. It should be the 185 pound champion of the world. That's what have to be. We're done with it. The most important thing is the championship. I like it. The championship is the most important thing, and the weight class is the most important thing. It should be the 185-pound champion of the world. That's what it should be. Okay.
Starting point is 02:10:30 And you should have to weigh in at what you weigh in at. They should eliminate weight cutting. It's a real fucking problem in the sport, and it doesn't do anybody any good. All it does is it's like sanctioned cheating. What's the solution? Hydration tests and more weight classes. Like one championship's doing. More weight classes. Blow up all the weight classes same day when everybody who's a titleist
Starting point is 02:10:49 right now you you move them up to whatever their natural weight class is and you sort it out and then you have more weight classes and you make these fucking guys fight healthy making them kill themselves the day before what comes from wrestling right joe like it's an advantage for those guys cut weight they think this is on this is on here we go here wrestling, right, Joe? Like, it's an advantage for those guys to cut weight. It's definitely an advantage. Would you have them weigh in two days before? This is on. Here we go. It's a great fucking fight.
Starting point is 02:11:07 It's only three rounds, too. Whitaker has the wildest stance, man. He's, like, so wide and bouncy. This fight's tough for Vittori because, you know, he come forward on a counterpuncher with Whitaker. He's explosive, man.
Starting point is 02:11:20 And he can fucking wrestle. People sleep on his wrestling, dude. He can do everything. And he fights with his hands down, this very awkward style. It's hard to time him. Vittori has a lot of fans there because, think about it, Italy's not too far for them to go. That counter right hook is real dangerous to Whitaker as he leaps in like that. He's a couple of times came real close with that.
Starting point is 02:11:39 That's the vulnerable punch. They've obviously studied, like, when Whitaker rushes in with that right hand, he leaves himself open to that right hook. Especially as Vittori stands in that southpaw stance. Oh! Oh, nice inside low kick. Good counter, too, though. Yeah, both. Oh, good jab by Whitaker.
Starting point is 02:11:56 Whitaker has a speed advantage. Well, he's got that darting in, almost like karate style. He does. He's on his toes. He's on his toes, yeah. That's a hard style to deal with, especially because he carries knockout power. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:12:08 And he's real good at leaping in with that jab. Once he stings you with it a couple of times, you get a little apprehensive. That's why if I'm Izzy and I beat Piedra, I go to light heavy. Because you look at light heavy, and forget the Jon Jones talk, but you look at light heavy now,
Starting point is 02:12:20 a lot of them are strikers, man. Yeah, but he's, you know, the fight with Jan Bohovic. He's too big. He's too big, but Jan Bohovic is a light heavy now, like, a lot of them are strikers, man. Yeah, but he's, you know, the fight with Jan Bohovic. He's too big. He's too big, but Jan Bohovic is a light heavyweight. So, like, why would you go from being the greatest middleweight of all time to going up and fighting guys who just have this massive physical advantage over you? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:38 Why not just dominate these motherfuckers like Marvin Hagler did? Yeah. And if Pajero beats him, then you have a rematch. And if he beats Pajero beats him, then you have a rematch. Yeah. And if he beats Pajero, he shuts everybody up. If he kills Pajero in the first round, I just don't know what's...
Starting point is 02:12:50 I'm with you. Stay there and dominate. But him versus Yeri? All right. I don't know, man. I don't think he's in that. Yeah. Technique-wise?
Starting point is 02:12:58 Well, it's certainly... He's not going to take him down? Yeah, but it's a dangerous fight. Oh, horribly dangerous. Prohaska is fucking... Savage. He's very dangerous to everybody. He's not that much bigger than Izzy, though.
Starting point is 02:13:09 And he showed he has a ground game. I mean, he choked out Glover Teixeira. That is a big fucking deal, man. And I know he did it in a weird way. But still. An exhausting fight, but he still got it off. They announced Glover. Yuri, too.
Starting point is 02:13:22 Yeah. Yeah, that's a good fight. I'm excited about that. The first fight was crazy. It's just amazing that Glover could keep doing it at 42. It's nuts. It's probably going to be close to 43 in that fight, right? You know, Pierre comes out of his camp. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:13:34 Well, that's one of the reasons why I think both of them got so good is, you know, iron sharpens iron. If you're with a striker like Alex, day in, day out, like it tightened up his striking in a big way. Also, for Alex to be with Glover Teixeira, you don't see a ton of it, but his grappling is fucking exhausting. I used to train with him. It's a nightmare.
Starting point is 02:13:52 Take down defenses. Great wrestling, huh? Heavy on top, great jiu-jitsu, great wrestling, chain wrestling. It does it all. I think they've been training. Pierre and him have been training for three years now. You've got to realize, Glover was the boogeyman for like six years. He was this guy that everybody was scared of that couldn't get out of Brazil.
Starting point is 02:14:08 For the hardcore, yeah, he couldn't get a visa over here. Yeah, he was the boogeyman because he was the guy that everybody, like Chuck Fidel, talked about him. Everybody was talking about him. Because they trained with him? Yeah. So did Tim Kennedy. And then he had some fights.
Starting point is 02:14:17 And then when he came to the UFC and he fought Kyle Kingsborough, he just took him down, mounted him, beat the fuck out of him. And you're like, holy shit, it's legit. Like, he really is that guy. And they rampage. I gave him rampage. Yeah Yeah, Glover's a motherfucker also the nice guy in the world. Yeah, he's a great guy. He's great unless you're fighting him Yeah, terrible in training camp very well. It shows you how dangerous rumble is rumble KO him with one punch Oh, dude, oh, I'm scared rumbles One of the scariest. That was a horrible punch. One uppercut.
Starting point is 02:14:46 Terrifying. Whoop. Oh, my God. I think his tooth flew. Yeah, it did. Jesus Christ. It did. His tooth flew out.
Starting point is 02:14:51 Greatest uppercut of all time is Francis over in the... Yeah, hard to argue. Yeah. Spun his head back. What the fuck was that? He was looking at his heels. Everyone in the division went, check, please. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:15:03 God damn, that was horrifying. Oh, my God. The way he wings. Oh, my God. The way he wings. Oh, my God. The Rosenstreich fight, he just said, fuck all this technical shit. He's like, fuck you. Just going to wing. Came out like Bart Simpson.
Starting point is 02:15:12 Just winging bombs with his chin up in the air. Landing nuclear weapons. And then how about Francis? Blown out fucking ACL, MCL. Fucking just grapples Cyril Ghosn. Couldn't be a worse matchup for him. Marvin Vittori is starting to move forward. Yeah, he is. And that's a problem for Whit gone. Hey, I couldn't be a worse matchup for Marvin Vittoria starting to move forward Yeah, he is that's a problem for Whitaker. Yeah, he started Lance. Yeah shots. Yep
Starting point is 02:15:29 You can't let Marvin Marvin has a fucking gas tank to man. That's the thing that that fucking dude does not get hired Even in the fight with Izzy where he's losing he'd never stop pushing Listen, I ride with Marvin his work ethic is nuts. of nuts. Oh, he's pushing a heavy pace Yeah, man, that's not getting hit actually that style of Whitaker's is very hard to maintain too because you're so explosive You're constantly like doing little plyometrics. You little bouncing around look big deep breath They're if this is five rounds. Yeah, I definitely side with Marvin three. It's tough. Well, we'll see man I know he's already if he's very fast a, it's tough. Well, we'll see, man. I know. Because he's already, if he's took that big deep breath. Yep.
Starting point is 02:16:07 That style is hard, man. It's all these little explosions, these little leaps in. It's a different kind of style. It's just nonstop like fast twitch muscle, fast twitch muscle. Bouncing, bouncing. And your attacks are oftentimes reliant upon you closing the distance quickly. Yes. Then you have to shift up when you get tired,
Starting point is 02:16:25 and then you can't fight the same way. It's tough. But, you know, he's the best at it. I mean, when he's on, like, with that style, man. Oh, it's so fun to watch. Magical to watch. This is my completely different division. I don't know what just came to me.
Starting point is 02:16:40 If I'm Colby Covington, right, drop the fucking legal thing with Maslow. I don't know what's going on there. But you're never going to beat Usman. If there was no Usman, Colby Covington's the pound-for-pound number one guy in the world. I think he beats everybody. You just can't beat Usman. Usman just lost.
Starting point is 02:16:55 He should be yelling at the fucking top of the mountain to get that Leon Edwards fight. This is your chance to become champion, and then Usman comes in. Again, guys, why would you ever do that if you could set up the big rematch in England? They can do Wembley Arena. They're going to do 80,000 people in England for Leon Edwards. You're talking too much sense. You know what?
Starting point is 02:17:16 That's not fun, Joe. I like chaos. I like chaos too, but that is chaos. That rematch is chaos. That rematch is the greatest head kick come from behind knockout ever i don't see that rematch against a guy who's arguably the greatest welterweight of all time next to george saint pierre i think i i think for leon to pull that off a second time is not good who fucking knows what happens man he won the first fight
Starting point is 02:17:39 that's all you need to know he won he figured out a way to connect and he did it now that he knows he can do that you don't think he's going to be more confident? It's very interesting. He's got to sell that wrestling shit. Yeah, he does, but he also mounted him. He also got dominated for three rounds. He also head kicked him into another dimension.
Starting point is 02:17:58 That's all real. There's no luck in fighting. The idea that that can't happen again is crazy. It happened. It happened three weeks ago. I mean, it can fucking happen again. That is so exciting to me. Would you bet on it? I wouldn't bet.
Starting point is 02:18:11 You would bet on that happening? No. Not a chance. No, I wouldn't bet on it not happening either, though. It'll get a new head. If I was objective, if I was objective, and I wasn't a commentator, and I didn't love both of those men, and I do. Me too. I would have to look at the careers.
Starting point is 02:18:27 I would have to look at the result of the last fight and I would have to make a reasonable assumption about how I think Usman could avoid that head kick and avoid strikes. And I'd have to think long and hard about what kind of odds I'm getting because I'm probably getting bad odds. I'm probably getting Usman as a favorite coming into the revanche. Big favorite. Maybe.
Starting point is 02:18:41 He's also won nine rounds. Well, I'm sorry. He's won basically six rounds out, I'm sorry. He's won Basically six rounds of the eight rounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Well, you have to look at the first fight in terms of like Leon really never wrestled at all I don't count the first fight there's young did well. I'm just so I'm too if you're going for odds Yeah, I'm looking at mass of it. You can't really count that because Leon they're both so so new. It was Usman's second fight ever. He was a straight wrestler.
Starting point is 02:19:07 He's with Trevor Whitman now, right? Yeah. I would look at the last fight and I would say Usman, you've got to think he's favorite to be able to do that and avoid the head kick. He's a three-to-one favorite, Joe. But you've also got to think that if Leon did land that head kick in the first fight, then he can do it again. And he can land a punch or an elbow or a knee. You never know and also the confidence that comes with knocking a man out and becoming the world champion and then rematching in wembley stadium when you're a fucking kid that like he says come from the
Starting point is 02:19:34 trenches i know i and i love leon edwards i'm half english so i root for english fighters the energy in that fucking arena is going to be insane. I would bet my house on Usman. Also, Usman is worried about that head kick, which might open him up for other things. You never know. You never know. You're dealing with different animals. Yeah, you are. You're dealing with different animals.
Starting point is 02:19:53 Oh, head kick by Whitaker. He just landed a head kick. Oh, shit. That was a good head kick. Oh, right hand. Landed there. Oh, shit. Robert Whitaker.
Starting point is 02:20:02 I always root for Robert Whitaker. I've never met him. I love his style. Yeah, I love his style. He's a good dad. I think he has threeaker. I always root for Robert Whittaker. I love his style. Yeah, I love his style. He's a good dad. I think he has three daughters. I just root for him. As a fighter, no one fights like him. It's very unusual. I mean, he almost always has his hands down,
Starting point is 02:20:16 and he throws shit that you really don't know where it's coming from, and he's a sniper. Jack Hook almost that he moves forward with. And he's a fucking solid grappler, too, man. I believe he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu. Like I said, he's supposed to be
Starting point is 02:20:28 on the Australian national team for wrestling. He can fucking wrestle, man. Oh, shit. He's tagging him up. He's definitely
Starting point is 02:20:35 a speed advantage. This round. He recovered. That front leg kicks there all day. It shows you the pace of the first round, but he's
Starting point is 02:20:42 recovered and we're a minute and 25 seconds left. And Vittori's kind of sitting back now, right? Well, he got lit up, man. He got head kicked. That leg kick's so there. He's so dangerous, man. Oh, he stepped in with an elbow that time.
Starting point is 02:20:58 Robert Whitaker coming up strong. How good is Izzy to beat both these guys twice? That's how good fucking Izzy is. He's the man. These guys are savage. But if you look at the second fight, it was a much better result for Whitaker. Much better. It was a close fight.
Starting point is 02:21:08 Oh, look at this. Look at this. Oh, he tagged him again. Oh, shit. Another head kick. Oh, shit. Robert Whitaker. God damn.
Starting point is 02:21:15 And when Whitaker lands, he fucking lands. He's catching forearm and leather on those. It'll still hurt, Bubba. Yeah, it'll still hurt. But I'm just impressed. I'm still impressed with Vittori. He's kind of still... Oh, Vittori's unbreakba. Yeah, it'll still hurt. But I'm just impressed. I'm still impressed with Vittori. He's kind of still... Oh, Vittori's unbreakable.
Starting point is 02:21:28 Yeah, man. He's catching a lot of that shit on his hands. That's also very dangerous to catch those kicks on the forearm. Very much. A lot of guys break their forearm from that. Yeah, especially doing it with one arm. You gotta have both. It happens all the time.
Starting point is 02:21:39 All the time. It's just shin to forearm is a terrible fucking combination. Bad combo, yeah. Vittoria's mostly playing complete defense in this, not throwing him hurt. Right now, he's not going forward. He got hurt real bad. Yep. Got Whitaker now, live odds minus 800.
Starting point is 02:21:54 Whitaker's definitely won this round. Oh, yeah. Oh, 100%. Not just won it, he's dominated. He's dominated, yeah. Then I can give it 10-8, but. Oh! Not connected.
Starting point is 02:22:03 Oh! Yeah, Whitaker looks good. Whitaker's getting comfortable. He looks good. And he settled in. And by the way, Vittori slowed down quite a bit after that first round. Big time.
Starting point is 02:22:12 He's not going forward anymore. Because he had that big pace in that first round. He probably emptied out a lot of his gas tank as well. He's letting Whitaker get off first. This is why this should be a five-round fight. Agree 100%. This is a five-round fight. And Whitaker's used to five rounds.
Starting point is 02:22:23 Yeah. That's his shit. And for those two with that style, five rounds. Yeah, I wish they'd do that more. Another electric car. No, this is an exclusive tire for electric vehicle. I think that's a fake vehicle. I think that's just some crazy new...
Starting point is 02:22:38 No, it's a tire. The Ion. Are you able to train? Do you have any injuries? My shoulder was... It's a long story. I got stem cells
Starting point is 02:22:54 put in my shoulder. I tore my labrum. I needed surgery. But before I did surgery, I went down to Mexico at CHIPSA and they injected me with some stem cells. And it took five months, but, dude, it's 100%. Really?
Starting point is 02:23:11 Fuck, yeah. So now maybe you can. I avoided surgery, dude. It worked, man. It took five months. Didn't you tell me you did that and you saw an MRI? I had a full-length rotator cuff tear, and it completely went away. That's nuts.
Starting point is 02:23:23 That's a bad injury. The doctors told me, me look i'll do this but you're probably going to need surgery and then he did it and this thing is solid as a rock i could do anything with this thing now i do uh the kettlebell workout with 70 pounds no problem doesn't hurt doesn't hurt me at all fuck but uh to answer your question i haven't been rolling that much at all the last two, three years because- Because of COVID? Because of COVID? Yeah. I'm trying to get him going.
Starting point is 02:23:47 I had it real bad. Eddie's reserved. I had it real bad. He doesn't want to get banned. Eddie's reserved. He doesn't want to get this episode flagged. We'll get it flagged. What was that? We'll get this episode flagged.
Starting point is 02:23:56 That's the problem. Now, if you talk about that shit- Yeah, Rogan don't give a fuck. It's on YouTube live. All we care about is Spotify, man. It'll go back over. But either way, it doesn't. Listen a fuck. It's on YouTube Live. All we care about is Spotify, man. It'll go back over. But either way, it does. Listen, man.
Starting point is 02:24:08 I just like the arrival. He's reserved. Oh, Vittori just landed a head kick. I have these arguments with Sam Tripoli twice a week. He's the one who came up with Conspiracy Social Club. Really? Because he said, you and Eddie had these arguments. Do that with Sam.
Starting point is 02:24:21 Guys, Vittori's coming on strong here. Vittori just landed a big left hand. That's a good idea. Oh, shit hand oh shit this fight's heating up i'll be i hate to address this on roger but you know i wet my beak right well come on i'm a platypus all right my beak's dry i understand you're a pelican i'm a 2k what do you uh wet his beak for well i created a show yeah on rock fan i produced the show i came up with the creation of the show. How great is Sam Tripoli, by the way? He's one of my favorite people of all time.
Starting point is 02:24:49 You don't get paid for that? One of the greatest humans of all time. Hey, bro. Nor do I want to. Excuse me. Stay out of my finances. Why don't you buy him a watch? I'll buy you a watch.
Starting point is 02:24:57 A real one, not a fucking Timex. Give me another Panerai. Yeah, I'll buy you a watch. What kind of watch are you going to buy him, Brian? If you're going to buy him a watch? I would buy him a Rolex. A Rolex? They're pricey right buy him, Brian? If you're going to buy him a watch. I would buy him a Rolex. A Rolex. They're pricey right now.
Starting point is 02:25:07 Always a good move. Right? Less pricey than before. All those Bitcoin boys are unloading. I'd buy you a Cartier. I like Cartiers. Those are nice watches. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 02:25:14 My nephew has a beautiful one. Here we go. Martin Vittorio's got his mouth wide open. Yeah, he does. Eddie, do you think you're as big a conspiracy theorist as Sam is or more Sam Tripoli
Starting point is 02:25:29 like you don't believe in the chicken snake god like what is that chicken snake god he just always gets into dark arts I can't follow you on this I love him I'm trying to get to the bottom and he's like okay look the Anunnaki and the black nobility I'm like bro I can't. He's the greatest. I love my people. I'm trying to get to the bottom, and he's like, okay, look, the Anunnaki and the Black
Starting point is 02:25:46 Nobility, I'm like, bro, I can't fucking argue with the Black Nobility. Like, just stick with what the fuck is going on. Are you having fun doing that? You guys are just arguing. No, I love that shit. You love it. We have a blast. It's more comedy. Yeah. He's fucking hilarious, dude. He's a great podcast.
Starting point is 02:26:01 I had him on Calabasas Fight Companion, and there was like dead air, and I actually get Sam and I go how about JFK Jr. dude he just goes dude hour
Starting point is 02:26:11 I got an hour of content and I had it in my back pocket and I was like I'm going to wait for it to kind of quiet down and the fight was kind of boring until Kamaru knocked somebody out
Starting point is 02:26:19 I'm like can I believe this shit and I was like I need to come up with something if Sam starts with this if he goes it's very interesting that the weather in Florida is heating up and a lot of conservatives are down
Starting point is 02:26:29 there the question is are they trying to get hurricanes to kill the conservatives it's like you're like wait a minute what he goes well they're pushing him in one place and then controlling the weather he's my favorite to kill all the conservatives and i'm like this is one narrative they keep saying about Florida. The second highest COVID deaths. Also, the highest population of old people. They're 89. Look at the median age.
Starting point is 02:26:53 They were going to get it anyway. It's not the policies that caused those COVID deaths. That's not what the fucking problem is, people. People that say that drive me nuts. You have the funniest shit on COVID on your new special, bro. Dude, I can't say it, but that one thing about Biden, genius. I wish I'd written that joke. Tim Dillon has a good take on it, too.
Starting point is 02:27:12 Oh, fuck. Wait till you hear his shit on COVID, though. It was fun. Oh. We've been having fun in Austin, man. Doing shows out here has been amazing. I don't know. When's the club open, Joe?
Starting point is 02:27:22 He did 12,000 people. He calls me up. He texts me. He goes, get down here. I'm in the round. You've not seen this. Get you. I'm like, I know, but I got dinner with my family. Don't be a pussy. Let's go. You're 40 minutes away.
Starting point is 02:27:34 I'm like, oh, fuck. Next thing I know, there I am. What are you going to do? Listen to your dad talk about politics? Shut up, Joe. Come on, man. Come hang out. Listen, I was glad I did it. I'm glad you did it, too. Well, think how important it is now we get together, man. Come hang out. Listen, I was glad I did it. I'm glad you did it, too. It changed my life a little bit. I was inspired by Star Trek. Well, think how important it is now we get together, man. It's rare these days. It's rare.
Starting point is 02:27:48 It is. Now that my special's coming out. Wait, you got a comedy special? What? Tell me more. I'm dropping it. Is it called Man Tears? Come on, man.
Starting point is 02:27:55 It's called Man Tears, and I'm dropping it right now. Captain Plug-a-Lot? Come on, dog. It's on Brian Cowan's YouTube? It's on Brian Cowan's YouTube. Now, are you also going to open for me in Appleton, Wisconsin next weekend? Fuck yeah. Only if you come to Raleigh, North Carolina.
Starting point is 02:28:11 Good night. That's going to be tough. September 8th, 9th, and 10th. You're not opening up for me. 8th, 9th, and 10th? Yeah. And then San Jose the next weekend. Oh, Robert Whittaker just dinged him with another head kick.
Starting point is 02:28:21 Whittaker's kind of taking over, right? Yeah, that's it. Oh, fuck. Is that it? Great fight. Vittori lost that one. Robert Whitaker's the fucking man.
Starting point is 02:28:30 I think he won that fight, guys. God, I want Taito Avasa to win this next fight. I did a shoeie for him on Monday. I threw up. I'm just too old for it. Yeah, shoeies
Starting point is 02:28:39 are not necessary. But the kind of man that's willing to do a shoeie with you is the kind of man that stands in the pocket. Yeah, I did a shoeie with you is the kind of man that stands in the pocket yeah i did a shoe with him and pedro both pedro tyson wild wild wild gentleman oh it's just good they spit it's great oh thanks brother it really is good thank you sir it's so easy long time coming i just come up with a better name how dare you tell i had a people over and i
Starting point is 02:29:03 poured them tiger i think i didn't tell them every single one of them. I was like, holy fuck, this is great. Just maybe not the thick part. I like it. I like that name. It's my brand. You don't like Tiger Thick? I like it.
Starting point is 02:29:12 Okay. You like the name? You want Tiger Trace? What do you want? No, no, no. It doesn't have to be Trace. What do you want? Jack Thick?
Starting point is 02:29:21 Just something. Something that doesn't make me embarrassed to tell people what it is. Tiger Thick? How are you embarrassed? What are we talking? What do you want? Hey, man.? Just something. Jack Thicke. Something that doesn't make me embarrassed to tell people what it is. Tiger Thicke. How are you embarrassed? What are we talking? What are you? Hey, man. What's Sebastian say?
Starting point is 02:29:29 Hey, bro. What's Sebastian say? Aren't you embarrassed? Aren't you embarrassed? That's Sebastian. So funny. Yeah, Sebastian's fucking great. I love him.
Starting point is 02:29:36 He does. Jamie, your Buckeyes are playing tonight, buddy. Both of these guys are 220. Jacked. They're so big. They're so fucking big for 85. 85 dude i got vittoria a pizza food truck and it was the worst pizza ever oh no i know it was like the nicest you don't try them out before you ever what do you oh god no we just they booked to come on they want to come on the
Starting point is 02:29:58 show and this was like a big italian truck all mexicans i go nobody's mexican is not i go well the owner's mexican he goes no i mean italian italian i go nobody's Mexicans? No. I go, well, the owner's Mexicans. No. You mean Italian. I go, nobody's Italians. No, we're all Mexicans. But the owner's Italian. He goes, Mexican. I'm like, god damn it. Robert Whittaker. Yeah, that's a big win for him, man.
Starting point is 02:30:13 Big win. Huge win. Victoria's a tough one. Yeah, so that sets up something very interesting. Imagine Pajero versus Robert Whittaker. That's a very interesting fight. That's a fun fight. That's a very interesting fight.
Starting point is 02:30:23 Pajero? Very fun fight. I think Whittaker wrestles him. Robert Whitaker. That's a very interesting fight. That's a fun fight. That would have made kind of more sense, like real quick. Well, they're beelining him to stylebender because of the history of it. I don't like how people are counting stylebender out. You and I have how much on it? How much have we been? I'm only doing that
Starting point is 02:30:40 for theatrics, though. You know what I mean? No, you're not, though. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I love stylebender. If the time comes and you lose, you owe him though. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I love style benders. If the time comes and you lose, you owe him $5,000. That's fine, but I'm going to be bummed out
Starting point is 02:30:49 that if he loses, I'm going to be really bummed out. you have to sell to make $5,000? How many toe holds? Five. They're so expensive. They're the most expensive.
Starting point is 02:30:56 They're not expensive. You have to sell five elephant sandals. Hold on. They're not expensive, but they're the most expensive. Yeah, they're so expensive.
Starting point is 02:31:04 I love that. But you'll only have to wear one for the rest of your life, so fuck off. I told you how bad they'll smell if you only wear one for the rest of your life. They don't smell. I've been wearing these. They smell like horses. Dude, they don't smell. They smell like leather.
Starting point is 02:31:15 Hey, B, you know I want to support you. I just don't wear sandals. Stop acting like it smells, bro. They smell like fucking beautiful horse leather. Don't ever. The only person who can wear sandals is Eddie. Huh? I never give Eddie shit for wearing sandals.
Starting point is 02:31:26 You only wear your flip flops. I hate people who wear jeans and sandals. You know what you don't like about him? Because he started wearing sandals later in life. You're right, John. Who? Me. You.
Starting point is 02:31:33 You. Because if you were like a young guy. They cured my feet. I get it. You're so right. But if you were like a young guy and you're like kind of a hippie. I get it. You know, maybe you taught jujitsu and you were barefoot a lot.
Starting point is 02:31:43 It makes sense. No. This is my man here I'm a convert I don't make any to be honest you want to know the truth I don't make any money
Starting point is 02:31:49 I just am a convert because they cured my feet how did they cure your feet so I had really bad plantar fasciitis I think I talked to you about that and how did
Starting point is 02:31:56 so I was like what the fuck and this guy AG was like he sent me them just sent me a pair the minute I saw them I went
Starting point is 02:32:04 I'm wearing those all the time because I love the way they look. The minute you saw them. Huh? The minute I saw them. I pulled them out of the box. I was like that. I could just tell the leather everything and I just, I called them. I go, I want to be part of this company. I don't know how it's going to happen, but I did. Will I make money on it? I don't fucking
Starting point is 02:32:19 know, but I'm a little bit religious about it because they really did. You got rid of your planner. Back again, how did it fix your feet? Okay, so when you wear shoes, and this is from the guy from Squat University, one issue with plantar fasciitis can be that because shoes push this toe, your big toe in, when you push your big toe in like that, it shuts off some of the blood flow in one of your arteries that causes necis in your heel. So a lot of plantar fasciitis can be the fact that your heel is not getting blood to it and the tissue starts to die.
Starting point is 02:32:53 Really? Yes. So now what they tell you is wear open-toed shoes or at least shoes that are out of a wide toe box so your toes can do that. When you do that, a lot of times, instead of arch support, that will cure your feet. The thing about arch support is they can work sometimes, not with me, but they can work sometimes.
Starting point is 02:33:10 It fix mine. But it's, yeah. I had it really bad in the UFC. But a little times, it's like wearing a foot brace, I mean a back brace. It doesn't make your back stronger, right?
Starting point is 02:33:18 It's also gay. So my feet... Right? If I came in a back brace right now, you guys would be like, what the fuck? It's a little gay. It's a little gay. It's a little gay.
Starting point is 02:33:26 But when you have zero glove shoes, and especially with this kind of leather, they mold to your feet. So that's why I'm such a freak for it. So you're always using your toes. Always. That makes sense. So now- That's sort of the concept of those zero shoes. Yes.
Starting point is 02:33:38 Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Those are great. Wide toe box, and you're always using your feet. Have you had planners, Joe? So now, that's why, to me, once you start wearing them, shoes feel like a fucking coffin. Like, I can't do it. Well, not the right shoes for you.
Starting point is 02:33:51 It kind of fucked my... But if you're always doing a lot of stuff where you're moving around on your feet, like if you're always sparring or kicking the bag or something like that, is that a thing you would get? Like, what makes a person get... I got it from running so much. Running, yeah. I've always loved to run.
Starting point is 02:34:06 Yeah, that's what I think. That's probably why I haven't gotten it. Correct. Well, your feet are really healthy. I mean, also, remember, you spend a lot of time sort of in those zero-drop shoes, wide toe box. And I think that, I think anything, anytime you do that, I think this is as close as you can get to walking barefoot.
Starting point is 02:34:20 But because of the give, it just... When I lived in California, I ran hills. Most of the time, I did it in those Vibrams. Those five-fingered toe shoes. I like those. And those never bothered you? They don't feel good if you step on anything sharp. They suck. If you're running up rocks and some of them are jagged, they suck.
Starting point is 02:34:37 But it'll protect your feet from getting injured. It just hurts a little bit. That's a little much for me. We made these a little softer. You're not running hills in those, bro. No, you can't. That's the thing. I'm just saying, those vibrams.
Starting point is 02:34:49 He might do it to plug them. Those mountain shoes that I would wear, I would run in those things, and I felt like it would help my movement. I felt like it helped my training when I was doing Muay Thai. It helped my movement. My feet were very strong because you're running hills, right? So you're always on the ball with your foot. You're never, like, striking down with your heels. that's what i wore when i was in the when i was an active athlete i'd wear those five finger shoes but you know you do run the
Starting point is 02:35:11 house you do run the risk of injury if you step on something like very sharp yeah like you could hit like because you're running you're not even thinking you're just running yeah right and you're just trying to like not you got to pay more attention to where your feet land is what I'm trying to say what size shoe do you wear Joe 11 and a half which is big for your size yeah big feet yeah I can wear 11 to it depends on thing 11 and a half in converse I was wearing 11 a half from those or is that the opposite but those 11 and sums 11 I think some Nikes are like 11 and a half because they're like kind of tight man. Nikes. I wear 14 in Nikes though. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:35:46 Now I can't wear those fucking shoes. I know. Push my toes. It's embarrassing. Fucks me up. A hog you must have. Yeah. It's not bad.
Starting point is 02:35:52 Not bad. What a hog. But you live, you live in, you live in, you don't wear shoes. I, um. You know those Chinese, you know those Chinese women that they, they put them in those shoes to smash their toes? Oh God. That's the worst.
Starting point is 02:36:03 You, you, uh, you should get them to do testimonials. Yes, dude! You know what I mean? They fix their feet. You want to actually hear something that's on YouTube that we saw, that we ran with at Toho? Because most of the world wears flip-flops. Do they?
Starting point is 02:36:21 Yeah, almost all the world wears flip-flops. If you were on the plane, fuck you. I do, unfortunately. Look at those ladies' feet. Oh, my God. Her pinky is in her skin. Think about that. She's standing on top of her pinky toes.
Starting point is 02:36:33 Think about that. Look at that. They're below. Oh, my God. I saw that. Oh, my God. That's insane. It cut the foot in half?
Starting point is 02:36:40 I saw that when I went to China. Yeah, I saw that in China. Oh, my God. That's insane. Her face looks hydrated. Look at the slice in her foot. Yeah, you're crippled. What is that slice?
Starting point is 02:36:49 It's like she has a heel, like a shoe heel. Dude, Callan's going to the Himalayas immediately. I saw that with my own eyes. You're going to Shanghai immediately. I went to China in 1983, and I saw that in the mainland. You saw that hoof? I saw that with my own eyes. Dude, how insane is that?
Starting point is 02:37:02 How insane is that? And why do they do that? Just so the infants's smaller shoes? It was considered a sign of beauty when you bound feet. So you take a child and you would bind their feet and they would never grow. Oh my God. But that was for the aristocracy. So if you were a high class or whatever.
Starting point is 02:37:17 Oh my God. So small foot sexy out there? I'm sorry? A small foot is like sexy out there? But look at how your feet are supposed to be. Your natural feet or your toes are supposed to be splayed. Well, not those. And when we wear shoes, like you wear dress shoes all the time, like a businessman's shoes
Starting point is 02:37:32 are like this. That's a problem for your feet. I had no idea they looked like this. Yes. Yeah, that fucks a lot of people's feet up. Like Patrick from SpongeBob? I didn't either. Just tight shoes alone fuck a lot of people's feet up.
Starting point is 02:37:43 That's why I like my shoes to be loose Me too. I like a bit. I have a wide foot. I get well. That's why I wear 14 Yeah, that's why I try to wear eleven and a half sin 11 me too. I like a little room But they but your your toe should your toes still shouldn't be scrunched together, right? They should be like that's why I like like Ultras yeah nice wide toe box you yeah These are, what do I have on now? Those are the React. Oh, these are.
Starting point is 02:38:07 The Nike React. Those are comfy. Those are a little tight for me. They're a little tight though. They're comfy though. They're a little tight. I think these are 11s. I can't wear those. I should have 11 and a halfs in these.
Starting point is 02:38:13 You look like a Chinese aristocrat. Foot binding. I got foot binding on. Your feet are all. I have kind of wide feet. Dude, those are small. These are not wide at the top. Those are really small.
Starting point is 02:38:21 They're narrow. They're probably bad, right? Yeah, you're pointy toed. I think you'll be all. You know, there's people out there, I don't know if this is real or not, but there's people out there that believe that walking barefoot in the dirt, you connect.
Starting point is 02:38:34 Yeah, grounding. They call it grounding. It's real? Well, it's good for your body to be in contact with nature. And something about rubber soles, stop that, right? Well, I mean, I think that if you're thinking about, like, your skin, your skin is contact, its skin is at the bottom of your foot. It's contacting
Starting point is 02:38:49 grass. It's gotta be, I mean, it's probably, how much good is it really? I think it feels good. It feels good, too. It feels like it makes sense. Look at how big all these Samoans are. Look at his camp. Look at all his camp, though. The other guys, they're all, they look exactly like his thick. Look at the size of those guys. He's a fun time, too, man. And he's also a guy all his camp, though, the other guys. They look exactly like his thick. Look at the size of those guys.
Starting point is 02:39:05 He's a fun time, too, man. And he's also a guy who's not, like, the moment can't get big enough, he's going to bring it. He'll bring the fight to Sergon. He's going to bring it. Sergon's going to be a sit-back and point fight. Just huge. Well, it's going to be interesting to see if he can deal with that movement
Starting point is 02:39:19 because nobody moves like Sergon. Sergon's the best athlete, I think, in the heavyweight division. It's going to be tough for him to, I think, land early on, but Cyril Ghosn takes his eye off that prize. You're going to get a knockout. It's going to be interesting to see what kind of strategy they formulated to deal with that movement. You've got to make it ugly.
Starting point is 02:39:33 Yeah. And that's what he's really good at. Ty's really good at making it. How about that elbow? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Boy, he's got speed. Oh, he's very fast.
Starting point is 02:39:42 That's what's weird about it, right? He's very fast. And he's super dedicated now. You know, early in his career, he wasn't really that dedicated. he's very fast. That's what's weird about it, right? He's very fast. And he's super dedicated now. You know, early in his career, he wasn't really that dedicated. He's on a three-fight losing streak. Yeah, and he really got his shit together. I mean, he might be the Charles Oliveira of the heavyweight division. Yeah, there's that.
Starting point is 02:39:54 How about that? Yep. I mean, he might be the fucking man. You know, I mean, you knock out Derek Lewis in a slugfest like that, the way he did it. If he gets by zero gone, it's off to the races. Oh, my God, it is. This is the worst matchup possible for him. Well,
Starting point is 02:40:06 it's the one you're going to find out the most. Yep. Just don't charge above by his cover. That's what I always say. He's funny though.
Starting point is 02:40:11 He was saying his kids are big WWE fans and like, Dad, you know, John Cena has a belt and whatever. Hulk Hogan has a belt
Starting point is 02:40:18 and he's like, you know how to fuck them up, right? And he's like, and they're like, yeah, but you don't have a belt he's like fucking out yeah I get a belt I think the only reason I want the belt is for the kids so they think I'm legit kids try yes that's hilarious that's why I got my black belt my kid that's he's in jiu-jitsu he loves jitsu and he's like he's like daddy look at look that guy's a black belt yeah here's your
Starting point is 02:40:42 black belt I've been a black belt where I'm like, yeah, here's your black belt. I've been a black belt. He goes, where's your belt? I'm like, well, I don't have it physically, but I've been a black belt for a while, son. He's like, where's it at? I'm like, god damn it. No, I called him all east and up, who's a Henzo Gracie black belt, and I called Henzo up. And I was like, hey, do you, because they've asked me to come for a while to come get it. I was like, hey, do you have that belt? Literally got out of his school, got in the car, called him. My son's on the call.
Starting point is 02:41:03 I'm like, yeah, I'm with my son. Hey, do you still have that black belt in your office? He's like, it's been waiting here for you. I'm like, I'm coming fucking Friday with my son to get it. So I flew down there. Two days later, got it. That's so cool. I got the belt and threw it to him.
Starting point is 02:41:14 I'm like, there's your fucking black belt, dude. Oh, that's awesome. Do you know Henry Akins? Yeah, I know Henry. He's a great guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. I met him at Andy Stump's wedding. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:41:21 He's a Hickson black belt. Yeah, he's a badass. Yeah, Hickson black belts, those are the rare ones. How many Hickson black belts are there? I met John Dudley there, who's every bit of 6'6". I have no idea. What a stud. John's the best.
Starting point is 02:41:33 He's a fucking stud. Hickson has probably the smallest amount of black belts, right? It's a very prestigious group. He doesn't give it away? Probably. Yeah, you got to be legit as fuck to represent Hickson Gracie. I heard you have to be Brazilian. He's the pinnacle.
Starting point is 02:41:46 Hickson was the pinnacle of jujitsu for the longest time. He was the top of the food chain. He's literally a walking legend. We don't have too many of them. Like, legit legend. When he was in his prime, dude, there was no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Every jujitsu black belt, you would ask, who's the best? They'd say Hickson.
Starting point is 02:42:00 Baddest motherfucker on the earth. There's nobody like that. And a handsome bastard. Oh, my God. With that ponytail. When I did Metamorris, I saw him for the first time. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:42:10 I'm like a gay man. And that was when he was older. That was when he was older. When he was in his 30s, he was a straight nine piece. When you see Choke, remember that documentary Choke? Oh, my God. Krohn's a handsome bastard, too. Yeah, he is.
Starting point is 02:42:20 Yeah. Now, Cyril Ghosn's a stud. Did you see Cyril Ghosn playing basketball? No. Just dunking it with ease. Really? Yeah, he's a stud. Did you see Cyril Ghosn playing basketball? No. Just dunking it with ease. Really? Yeah, he's a freak. Best athlete in the heavyweight division.
Starting point is 02:42:29 Well, he has the best movement by far. There's no one who moves like him in the heavyweight division. You know my only problem with him is his Godsmack tattoo on his chest. You don't like that? That is the Godsmack logo. Is it really? I think it is. But what is it?
Starting point is 02:42:44 Now, him being from France, it's probably not. I don't think it is. But what is it? Now, him being from France, it's probably not. I don't think it is. No. Dude. It looks identical, though. Does it? Yeah. All I know is he speaks French and he looks like that.
Starting point is 02:42:53 Show me the Godsmack logo, Jamie. Say hello. There it is. Jamie's showing it. Oh, wow. It's real similar. Called it. Maybe he's a big fan.
Starting point is 02:43:04 Just the biggest Godsmack fan in the world. It must mean something else, too. There you go. Godsmack probably took it. I think it's real similar. Called it. Maybe he's a big fan. Just the biggest Godsmack fan in the world. It must mean something else, too. There you go. Godsmack probably took it. I think it's Tibetan. I'm going to say it's Tibetan. It looks like Thai. I think it's Thai.
Starting point is 02:43:12 That looks like one of those Thai tap tattoos. Like, they tap, tap, tapped it in. You know how they do that hardcore? I know it. It's the Thai when Godsmack toured in Thailand. That's what it is. It's the Thai Godsmack logo. That is a Thai tattoo, I think. It's the tie. It's the tie version. That is a tie tattoo, I think.
Starting point is 02:43:27 Oh, my God. This is an interesting fight, man. Because at 32, Cyril gone in his prime. 29, tie to Ivas is in his prime. Wow. Also in his backyard. What are you all shitting? Watch him dunk.
Starting point is 02:43:41 That's what I was telling you, Jamie. I'm telling you this, dude. What the fuck? Oh, yeah. No, he's legit Jesus Well he's an amazing athlete And the way he moves
Starting point is 02:43:49 As a heavyweight At 247 he weighed in it Insane Nobody moves like him Just a dunk like this is nuts Is that him Yeah that's him That's him
Starting point is 02:43:57 Well he's probably younger Too bad Gordon Ryan's not muscular There's that picture there Yeah he doesn't have a tattoo But 100% it's him That's him younger Look at his face Yeah he's probably younger. Too bad Gordon Ryan's not muscular. There's that picture there. Yeah, he doesn't have a tattoo, but 100% it's him. That's him younger, yeah. Look at his face. Yeah, he's younger.
Starting point is 02:44:07 Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know if he got that tattoo in Thailand. I don't know what it... I mean, I know he trains out of the same gym that Francis trained out of. Used to, yeah. Look at how relaxed Ty Trovasse is. Right? Yeah, and Cyril Gant's still there.
Starting point is 02:44:24 Yeah, Francis is in Vegas now. This is a good fight. It's a fun fight. What do you think is going to happen? I mean, if I'm betting money on it, Cyril Ghosn, you get five rounds, it's not exciting. But what I hope happens is Tai Tuavasa catches him. Cyril Ghosn's clearly the more experienced fighter with more patterns, more technical, right?
Starting point is 02:44:49 Yes. Big time. I would imagine he's not going to get into a slugfest, but he's a monster of a man. He's a big man. Yeah, but- He's just not the most exciting fighter, but he's very smart and cerebral about it. Well, he was when he beat Derek Lewis. That was pretty fucking exciting.
Starting point is 02:45:05 But again, Derek's bringing the fight to him. So if you're going to bring the fight to him, he'll light you up. But I don't think Tai Tuivasa has any other options. A minus 430 underdog in a main event is insane. That's a lot. At heavyweight? Especially with that knockout power? That Tai Tuivasa, as you're saying?
Starting point is 02:45:20 Yeah. It's going to be very interesting to see what strategy they have devised. What does that tell you? I don't know. Western Australia? Yeah, something Australian, dude. New Zealand? All right.
Starting point is 02:45:31 What is he doing? We don't know gang signs. How great is Bruce Buffer still doing it? He's an animal. Look at that suit, too. Amazing. Bruce Buffer in Paris. Dude, you know Bruce Buffer's like massive on... What's that shit he used to be on?
Starting point is 02:45:46 Cameo. Cameo. When he did some shit for me, for 10 minutes, he's like, can you give me a second? And he's just like, happy birthday, Mary! And I was making fun of him. I'm like, Jesus Christ, dude, what are you doing? What, are you broke? He's like, oh, dude, do you know how much money I make on this thing?
Starting point is 02:46:04 People, wedding things. I'm sure balling balling he's huge on uh that shit give us a number we'll edit it out um oh we can't edit don't edit yeah we're on he's balling though damn i mean and Damn. I mean, and works for it, too. He broke somebody up. He's like, Jeff, I got a message from Mary. It's time to move on. Oh, Jesus. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. That's fantastic. That's awesome.
Starting point is 02:46:36 It's time. So girls break up with guys with that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's insane. I've had that request. That's insane. It'd be way better if it's Bruce Buffer though Less of a fucking hurt
Starting point is 02:46:46 That hurts my feelings I'm sure he's probably doing it too Bruce Buffer? What do you mean? Let's get ready to No he can't Oh you're talking about his brother Here we go
Starting point is 02:46:55 What did I say? I think you said Bruce twice Okay Michael Buffer Okay you're right I was wrong he's a lot older than Bruce though just does way less work for a lot more money going here we go dude let's get ready to rumble he's Southpaw Sarah gone look at Look at this. We can do both. He's a savage.
Starting point is 02:47:31 Oh, good kick. Great kick. Those thick tonguing legs. Is he tonguing? Simone. One of them, you know, dude. Be cool. Be fucking cool.
Starting point is 02:47:42 What are you, a fact checker? Polynesian. What are you, a fact checker? Thatnesian. What are you, a fact checker? That's a real problem on a podcast like this. Yeah. Boy, oh boy, is it ever. Just find yourself saying shit. The crowd's loud as shit, huh?
Starting point is 02:47:59 Jamie can hear it. The crowd's loud, huh, Jamie? It ain't nothing like a fucking fight night crowd in England, though. Jesus Christ. When Patti Pimlet fights like a fucking fight night crowd in England, though. Jesus Christ. When Patti Pimlet fights? Yeah. Nuzzos, dude. Singing and all that shit.
Starting point is 02:48:10 I bet it's pretty wild there right now for Zero Gone. Do the French get loud, though? I mean, we're not listening to the commentary, so it's hard to hear. Give us some volume. Let me hear what this sounds like. But the French compared to the British? Come on, Daddy. No, no, no.
Starting point is 02:48:24 Come on, bro. No one gets, no. Come on, bro. No one gets crazier than the British. Vive la France! Vive la France! Allez! It's okay. Frappez! Mais frappez!
Starting point is 02:48:31 Le frappez! Le frappez! Il est très fort! Fais attention! It sounds ugly, right? Fais attention, mais... Ah! Encore!
Starting point is 02:48:41 Le même chose! Le même! You see, Patty blew up to 210 pounds, says he has an eating disorder. Didn't Mike Tyson have him on hot boxing and just gave him a bunch of food? Oh, Jesus. Yeah, Mike Tyson had him on hot boxing and he just brought out boxes of food. I'm on a food truck. I drove down to San Diego for it.
Starting point is 02:48:58 We did it at the Laugh Factory down there. Boxes. We had burgers and he got fucking, we had, got fucking... I'm a big dude. I eat with him, and then he eats again. He's hilarious. Comes in more than 50 pounds over the lightweight limit. So he was 205. He's a big boy.
Starting point is 02:49:15 You got to have Monjo. He's so much fun. Oh, I'd love to have Mon. I just don't think that that's good for his life to get that fat. No, I told him, I said, as you get older, it's going to be tougher and tougher, man, especially to compete at a high level, count that weight. I know, mate. No, I go, I go, do what happens if they ask you for a short-nosed fight?
Starting point is 02:49:31 And he literally started laughing. He goes, why would I take a short-nosed fight? I go, well, shit happens. Opportunity is never, mate. Never. I make too much money not fighting to take a short-nosed fight. Oh, Jesus. Oh, that's dangerous. Big right hand there by Tui Vassa.
Starting point is 02:49:47 He landed that. That's what Tui Vassa needs. Well, this looks good so far for Tui Vassa. Yeah, he does. He's putting a lot of pressure on him. Yeah, he is. And he has a granite fucking chin. He's got a granite chin, and he's very smart at managing distance here.
Starting point is 02:49:59 He's doing a great job, man. Zero-Gon's got that jab where he doesn't turn it over. He just kind of like comes right from his back. Pops it at job, man. Serial Khan's got that jab where he doesn't turn it over. He just kind of like comes right from his back. Pops it at you, yeah. He also does this weird thing with his front leg where he does like a twisting front kick.
Starting point is 02:50:10 He throws it off a sideways stance and he'll hit you with the front leg front kick. It's very interesting how he does it. Dude, just look at his movement for 245 pounds.
Starting point is 02:50:18 Look at how well. Fuck. And this is not something that slows down either. He's very smart about like the amount of power he puts out there. He's just touching you. He's relaxed too. Yeah. of power he puts out there. He's just touching you.
Starting point is 02:50:25 He's relaxed, too. Yeah. And no pressure. Yeah. He touches you, touches you, cracks. He touches you, touches you. Like right there. I mean, he's not full blasting anything.
Starting point is 02:50:35 He's not winding up. Everything's super technical. Look at the check. Good check. Him and Ty, two of us, can be more opposite. Such a good fight, though. It's so fun. As I say, guys, don't blink, all right?
Starting point is 02:50:47 I wanted Tom Aspen. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I say it. You should patent that. I know. I say it all the time. I make t-shirts, guys. I'm selling t-shirts.
Starting point is 02:50:52 Don't blink. I'm selling t-shirts. Oh, good head kick. Oh! I'm going to change my special's name to Don't Blink instead of Man Tears. Don't Blink. A little late, buddy. Don't Blink, guys.
Starting point is 02:51:05 Man Tears is perfect. You know,'t blink, guys. Man Tears. You know, I was going to name my special Joe Rogan, just to be obnoxious. Uh-oh. Is it really called Man Tears? Yeah. Russell Peters gave me that name. What is the difference between Man Tears and regular tears?
Starting point is 02:51:19 Well, you'll have to watch the special, Joe. Is that the only way I learn? Yeah, it's the only way you learn. And you will learn. Can you just tell me since we're friends? You have to go to special, Joe. Is that the only way I learn? Yeah, it's the only way you learn. And you will learn. And you will learn. Can you just tell me since we're friends? No, I'm not going to tell you. You have to pay. You have to go to YouTube and watch it for free. Russell Peters gave you the name?
Starting point is 02:51:31 I love Russell Peters. Oh! Oh, Taito Iwasa just missed with a big left hook. He's putting a lot of pressure on Cyril Gunn. Isn't it a shame what happened to Tom Aspinall? I want Tom Aspinall, Cyril Gunn. That was crazy, right? One kick.
Starting point is 02:51:42 Dude, such a fucking bore. Buckles on his knee. It was weird. It was weird.. Dude, such a fucking bore. Buckles on his knee. It was weird. It was weird. Curse blades is a fucking problem. What a freak incident, you know, to have a guy. Ain't that a bitch? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:51:52 All that training, all that shit, main event. Sucks. One kick, blow the ACL out. How does that happen like that? If you watch how he landed on it, too, it doesn't even look that bad. Doesn't look bad. It's weird. Such a bummer.
Starting point is 02:52:04 It's weird how knees pop like that they just give out your knees like enough already what's so funny in that exact moment what's up man tears is so good i love it the graphic's funny too yes i'm crying but they're man tears bro because i mentioned man tears and i said the world would be a lot different if men could cry and so you know that's how come. I'll fucking cry right now. So Brian Callen. It's so on brand. It's so Brian Callen.
Starting point is 02:52:29 Goddamn right. On YouTube, guys, after this podcast. Are you doing it? You haven't released it yet? I'll release it right now. Watch this. What? Release the hounds.
Starting point is 02:52:38 No, it's supposed to release now. Yeah, make a text message. Are you serious? You're about to release it now? For real? Right now, B? You didn't have a plan in place? Yeah, I did. That's perfect. I did. I did. I'm terrible. But I did. I did. What a great idea. Are you serious? You're about to release it now? For real? Right now, B? You didn't have a plan in place?
Starting point is 02:52:45 No, I did. That's perfect. I did. I did. I'm terrible, but I did. Dude, what a great idea. Here we go. No, it's good. Round two.
Starting point is 02:52:52 It's called Plug McGee. Plug McGee. So this is five rounds. Plug McGee. You plug a lot. You man tears, aka Plug McGee. What if Brian was like, my sweatshirt's called Toe Hold? Brian, I think you do the right
Starting point is 02:53:06 amount of plugging, and I'm proud you're plugging. I'm tired of being criticized for not plugging anything. I'm proud of you. I know. I like how you ramped up your plugging. I'm trying. I'm trying. I find it embarrassing. I really do. He used to tell me, hey, will you tweet this for me? I go, yeah, hold on. I go to his Twitter page. He has it blasted out.
Starting point is 02:53:22 I go to his Twitter page. I go, you didn't fucking tweet it, bitch. I go, why do you want me to tweet it when you didn't tweet it? I had to get over it. I still have trouble fucking promoting anything. And it's a big problem. And it's fucked me. So bye, Tole. Well, just tweet it and don't look at the replies.
Starting point is 02:53:40 That's always the move. Yeah, I never do. Yeah, stay out of that fucking dungeon. You've got to somehow work to hold into your... Twitter's a dying breed of ideas. Well, it's just for people with mental health problems, it's not a good option. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:53:52 It's just not a good option for most comedians, too. Social media in general, though. So many people get addicted to arguing on it. It's like, man, you don't need that shit in your life. You don't. I can't do that shit. I've never gotten one good idea off there. Or someone gives me a I'm a comedy bit
Starting point is 02:54:05 Good left hook there, but to evaso This is a good fight man to evasa is catching him with so good kick to the body by gone The only tide needs to take some chances though cuz you're gonna sit back and get this all night Yeah, you can't take too many of those kicks from the power side either, you know Cuz he way he fights Orthodox is his favorite position any of those kicks from the power side either. You know, because the way he fights orthodox, which is his favorite position,
Starting point is 02:54:28 that's a rough spot for that fucking back leg kick. Yeah, it's a southpaw. Yeah, a lot of power. And Cyril throws it two ways. He throws it... See how he does that? Look how he does that front kick. See how he does it? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:54:34 He's doing it like a twisting kick. He's front kicking you from a sideways stance, man. It's very interesting, because I don't know anybody else who does it the way he does it. He's very light on that front foot, and then he stabs you with it, or you think about that, and then he sets you up with the back leg.
Starting point is 02:54:50 Yeah. He's really slick, man. Really slick striker. I'm impressed with Tuivasa, man. He's also got— He just needs to open up more. He's going to risk getting knocked out, but it's the only way to win. Otherwise, this is what Siragan does. He'll sit back all fucking night.
Starting point is 02:55:07 No pressure. 25 minutes picking apart. Catches your shot, counters. Catches, boom. And he'll just touch you. He won't put power into it. Still snapping your head. Rocking up points. You know what I'm addicted to? Diet Coke.
Starting point is 02:55:22 Shit. It's not bad. It's not bad. Isn't that the shit that killed I'm addicted to his Diet Coke. Shit. It's not bad. It's not bad. Isn't that the shit that killed, what's her name, Tammy Faye Baker? No. They think that she drank so much Diet Coke. That was the rumor.
Starting point is 02:55:35 She drank so much Diet Coke. Dude, I can't get enough of it. Well, John Daly seems to be fine, and he drinks like pitchers of it a day. Trump drinks 12 a day. He had a button for a Diet Coke. You know what's crazy? Layne Norton did a thing on it. No, Trump had the a day. He had a button for a Diet Coke. You know what's crazy? Nate Norton did a thing. No, Trump had the best tweet.
Starting point is 02:55:50 He had to take it down. He goes, does anybody notice only fat people drink Diet Coke? He's a comic, dude. He's a comic. He says some funny shit. You know what's crazy about Trump is that he's never had a drink.
Starting point is 02:56:04 Isn't that crazy? His brother died of alcoholism. Dude, can you imagine if Donald Trump got fucking wasted? Oh, look at this chap. And just went off on Twitter. He goes off on Twitter or Truth Social. Dude. We actually talked about that the other night with Tim Dillon.
Starting point is 02:56:22 Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh, my God. Oh, we missed it. Oh, my God. Did he wobble? He wobbled him. Oh, dude. When you talked, I looked, Joe.
Starting point is 02:56:29 Holy shit. He wobbled him? Yeah, watch it. We clipped him? Yeah, dude. He caught him. Fuck yeah, Ty. Knocked him right on his ass. Come on, Ty. And he looked at him. Yeah, but Zero Gone's answering back. No, Ty thrives in this, dude. Holy shit. Look at his face. Imagine if Ty is the Charles Oliveira of the heavyweight division. Bro!
Starting point is 02:56:45 Dude. Talk about a come up. Oh! I'm telling you, those lands. Oh, Jesus, you can't get enough. You can't get a slugfest with him. Oh, dude. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, shit. Front kicks to the body. Oh, he said bring it. Oh, my God. Oh, no, he's dangerous here. He's dangerous here. What? Come on, Ty. Oh, my goodness. God. Come on, Ty. Oh, look at that front kick to the body. Another front kick to the body.
Starting point is 02:57:09 He's hurting him to the body. Watch out! When he's wounded, he's fucking dangerous, dude. Oh, Jesus. You know who's tough as shit? Cyril Kahn. Oh, they're both tough as shit. Fuck, dude.
Starting point is 02:57:18 Oh, my God! Shit! Brian, one's ranked one, one's ranked three. Oh, my God! Jesus! Ty Tuovas is kind of indestructible. Oh, my God. Jesus. Taito Iwasa's kind of indestructible. Oh, my God. Those knees to the body again by Gon.
Starting point is 02:57:28 Those are big, man. Look at his face, bro. They've both been fucking hit. Fuck, dude. Taito Iwasa's so fucking tough. He's so tough. He's so fucking tough. He's different.
Starting point is 02:57:37 He's just made a different fabric. Cyril's breathing hard. Yeah! He's cheering the crowd on. What a fucking exciting fight. Oh, look at that jab. Oh my goodness. He's just eating it. Yeah, that's gonna...
Starting point is 02:57:51 Oh, head kick. Jesus Christ. Gon is so slick. I'll tell you what I want to see. I want to see Gon fight Jon Jones. I said it out loud there. Oh, that'd be a great fight, man. But good luck dealing with that wrestling. I was just gonna say I disagree. Jon takes him down, crucifix him, and it's over in the first minute. Yeah, that's a rough fight for a guy.
Starting point is 02:58:09 Stupid idea, right, Brian? Stupid idea. Hey, come on, man. I got excited. I'd like to see if he could do it. Wait, wait, watch this. Watch this. I'd like to see if he could do it.
Starting point is 02:58:15 Watch what Taito Avast does. Watch this. Wait until you see John and Hedges. Watch this. Boom! That's the power, daddy. Oh, my goodness. Now watch this, though.
Starting point is 02:58:24 Again. Yep. Boom. Boom. Oh, that wobbled Now watch this, though. To hit to- Again. Yep. Boom. Boom. Oh, that wobbled him. And then- Oh. Oh.
Starting point is 02:58:29 Kick to the body. It's perfect. Oh. And this one. Oh, look, look, look, look. But look at Ty go. Come on. Jump on your knees.
Starting point is 02:58:34 Come on. Come on. Jesus. Boom. Checks up, daddy. Oh, my goodness. What a fucking fight. Come on, Ty.
Starting point is 02:58:41 Dude. How can you not root for Ty? Milliseconds. I always say, guys, don't blink. Is it too late to change my fucking title of my special? See if they can do a new promo for you. Don't blink. Brian Callen.
Starting point is 02:58:54 That's a good name. Oh, it's gone. Don't blink, Callen. It's gone public, guys. Good news. I just got a text. Man tears on YouTube. Okay, take it down to like 10.
Starting point is 02:59:03 Yeah. You're good at 10. Sorry, buddy. 11 is leaving. I'm sorry, bro. Hey, Brian, seriously. it down to like 10. Yeah. You're good at 10. Sorry, buddy. 11 is leaving. Sorry, bro. Hey, Brian, seriously. You got to work on your plugs. You're just not aggressive enough.
Starting point is 02:59:11 Help me. You just come out and say it. Help me, Eddie. Just say it. Guys, stop watching this. Oh, Jesus Christ. God, this is a good fight. This is a sick fight.
Starting point is 02:59:23 Fuck. That's the move, though. See how he does that front kick? That's so unusual, man. Very happy with his back. How about Taibata answering back with his own front kick? Good low kick there. His leg kicks have been solid.
Starting point is 02:59:41 Very solid. That jab. That jab. It's almost like that Eddie Fudge jab. His hand's in front of his face when he jabs. You'd give that round to Ty, yeah? Yeah, yeah. You got to give it to him.
Starting point is 02:59:51 You hurt him bad. But then Cyril Ghosn was coming back at the end. I don't know about that. Cyril Ghosn hit him with some big kicks to the body. Yeah, but only one got knocked down, right? Yeah. That would be Ty. No, that was to the body.
Starting point is 02:59:59 That was to the body. Yeah, but I'm saying, but Ty actually knocked him down from a punch. Look at them talking. Look at these guys. He's talking about how it hit his fat. You know what drives me nuts? The guys that tweet to make sure they get on the broadcast.
Starting point is 03:00:14 That also grinds my gears. Wait, what's that? It's so obvious. As I'm getting older, a lot of things bother me, I notice. Theo would do that. He'd be like, Data, we don't deserve this. $79.99. Take all my money.'d be like data we don't deserve this 79.99 take all my money it's like dude come on bro every pay-per-view put you on there yeah he does on purpose to fuck with me but they put him on there like dana you're too good to us
Starting point is 03:00:38 he's so funny that's hilarious Like it's a barn burner It's just like a You know like a Fucking complete mismatch Oh look at that jab Yeah And Tav It just
Starting point is 03:00:51 Just nods Uh oh Oh oh Don't turn your back Oh what was that He slipped These guys are Let's not have too much fun now
Starting point is 03:01:00 Yeah that was weird Yeah let's not be too cool Oh that front kick Look at that fucking front kick The body where it's actually hurting man a pie. It's landing all day. It's rough Oh Jesus serious kind of lighten up. Come on. Ty. Don't sit back buddy. This what's gonna happen? Oh He faked it! You can't be faking that. Oh, Jesus. He ain't faking that, Drew. Be careful, Drew. Yeah, baby! Come on, Ty.
Starting point is 03:01:33 He can take all the punishment and come back. Come on, Ty. You can't sit back. His left eye looks very bad. So dangerous. He looks busted up. Good shot to the body. The body shots are so nasty. He backfisted him. But Ty's not cutting him off, so he's allowing him to circle kick, circle kick. Well, Ty's planning on just getting something landing in one of these wild exchanges.
Starting point is 03:01:52 Absorbing five shots. He has to do it against the cage, though. He's got to do something. He's not cutting the cage off. Oh, God. See how he's letting him loose here? Yeah. But I don't think he has the gas to go after him.
Starting point is 03:02:02 And those fucking body kicks, man. Those are rough. Hey, and we're only midway through the third round, Dan. So this after him. And those fucking body kicks, man. Those are rough. Hey, and we're only midway through the third round. So this is a five-round fight? Oh, God. Main event, right, B? Good low kick there by Tui Vassa. Good Lord, man.
Starting point is 03:02:14 Yeah, those low kicks are secret. Just pacing it. Look at that jab. God damn, Cyril Kahn's good. Yeah, but you know what? What? It ain't over till it's over, guys. That's the other thing I always say.
Starting point is 03:02:23 Is that another? Is that a good name for a special? That's the other thing I say, guys. That's a good special name. Yep. It ain't over till it's over, guys. That's the other thing I always say. Is that another? Is that a good name for a special? It's the other thing I say, guys. That's a good special name. It ain't over till it's over? And you got to love yourself before you love anybody else. That's the other thing I say, guys. Which is a lie.
Starting point is 03:02:33 Which is a lie, by the way. I don't believe in loving yourself. You should have a healthy disdain for yourself. It keeps you going. Yeah. The biggest lie is you got to love yourself. The last time you think about that, the better. But some people need it. Some people need a change of the way they look at themselves
Starting point is 03:02:48 They hate themselves the difference between that that's not good for you either. Yeah, well, you don't hate yourself too much Yeah, that's true. I mean you hate yourself too much. You end up in a ditch. I don't love me I just use myself for sex. Oh, there's another one that front kick man. Oh, and again, oh fuck dude It's a real problem. Oh, dude. Oh! Oh, and again. Ow! Fuck, dude. Ow! And again. It's a real problem. Ouch! And again. Oh, God.
Starting point is 03:03:08 Oh, God. Oh, my God. Yeah, this is... Combinations by Gon are insane. Yeah, Gon's sick. Oh, yeah. And he just won't let up with that front kick. Ty, you gotta fire, buddy.
Starting point is 03:03:17 Fuck, dude. You gotta fire back. He's gotta be careful of that fucking head kick, too, man. That head kick keeps coming up there. Yeah. Holy shit, man. And look how fucking coming up there. Holy shit, man. And look how fucking relaxed he is when he fights. It's very relaxed and technical.
Starting point is 03:03:31 This is one of the reasons why he can stay at that pace for so long. What's up, Jamie? On the total strikes, it says he's landed, Khan's landed 31. Oh! Oh, Jesus. It's over. It's over.
Starting point is 03:03:41 Oh, it's over. It's over. That's it. That's it. That's it. He's out. He's out. Whoa. Holy. Oh, it's over. It's over. That's it. That's it. That's it. He's out. He's out. Whoa.
Starting point is 03:03:45 Holy shit. Holy shit. Vive la France. Vive la France. C'est magnifique. Bravo. Cyril Ghosn. Bravo, mon ami.
Starting point is 03:03:57 Cyril Ghosn. How did Francis beat him? He took him down. He took him down. Grappled him. With one leg. Yeah, with a bad leg. But, you know, Francis is a different animal
Starting point is 03:04:05 he was scared of Francis' striking I'm sure or wary of it because they spar together correct and Francis claims that he dropped him
Starting point is 03:04:12 in sparring that he KO'd him and Cyril Gunn disputes it but Jesus that's sick man
Starting point is 03:04:19 that was sick that was pretty fucking impressive there's never been a heavyweight that moves like that not like that look at the strikes oh my god total strikes landed 31 of the body oh my god That was sick. That was pretty fucking impressive. There's never been a heavyweight that moves like that. Not like that.
Starting point is 03:04:25 Look at the strikes. Oh, my God. Total strikes landed. 31 of the body. Oh, my God. He only landed 33. Just a high-level fighter. Just a high-level striker.
Starting point is 03:04:34 He's so good, dude. So good. Fast. Yeah, and you know what, man? Better after the Francis fight, right? Yeah. Yes. Oof.
Starting point is 03:04:43 Look at him, man. And how fired up is he to do that in Paris? Jesus. Well, I assume you do Curtis Blades, Thurgood next because Francis ain't fighting until next year. But remember,
Starting point is 03:04:53 Jon Jones is just looming over the division right now. He's ready to go. It's not a Jon Jones thing. It's a Stipe thing. Is it? What is it? I don't know.
Starting point is 03:05:03 Jon's ready to go. Brian Cowan's man cares. It's already at 692 views. There you go, baby! 11 minutes. Someone's been up 11 minutes. Best of, best of. I'm dropping out with Tim Kennedy on Tuesday. Look at the combo here. Whoop!
Starting point is 03:05:19 Oh my goodness, that's good. Boop! There's only so much even he can take. The movement, man. The way he fucking moves. Who moves like that? Oh, Jesus. I was impressed with the setup to the body on that.
Starting point is 03:05:30 Look how clean that is. Yeah. Look how clean this is. Boom. Look how clean that is. Savage. I mean, my God, that's good. Yeah, that's beautiful.
Starting point is 03:05:37 Jesus. That's artistic. That is artistic. The way he stepped back and then landed that right hand, you couldn't draw that better. No. The positioning, the way he, the technique. Gorgeous. God damn, that was beautiful.
Starting point is 03:05:50 The only thing that ruins his is Godsmack tattoo. I like it. I don't mind it. It's a tie. It's one of them cool ass tie touches. We'll see. I like that. I like the shorts.
Starting point is 03:06:00 What a striker he is. Scary. What a striker. That's sick. How about Tai Tovasa, though, man? Amazing. Isn't he fun? Incredible. I mean, the balls on he is. Scary. What a striker. That's sick. How about Taito Vasta, though, man? Amazing. Isn't he fun? Incredible.
Starting point is 03:06:08 I mean, the balls on that guy. Yes. And he wobbled him. He wobbled him a couple of times. Dropped him. He's dangerous as fuck, man. Yeah, he is. That just sets up so many interesting fights.
Starting point is 03:06:19 And would you be open to it? Look, where does Francis... Who is Francis going to fight next? Who does Francis fight? What is the obvious fight other than Jon Jones? I was going to say Jon Jones. Jon Jones is the obvious fight for the big money, right? That's the big fight.
Starting point is 03:06:34 That's the big boy. That's what everybody would want to see. Jon to me is the golden goose of the division because Jon Stipe is the biggest fight they can make. But would they make that before they made Jon Jones? I think it depends on Stipe. I know Stipe is ready to go. But you were saying John Jones, Francis, but Francis is not ready to fight. Francis says he'll be ready early
Starting point is 03:06:52 2023. How about Curtis Blades? Have they fought? Curtis Blades has lost to Francis, yes. Francis came twice. I'm saying, are you saying who does Francis fight? Yeah. Who does Francis defend his title against? Because if Francis doesn't fight John Jones and if John Jones fights Stipe, then who does Francis fight? Does he wait and fight the winner of that fight?
Starting point is 03:07:08 Waits and fights the winner. Because I think times, you know, he's not trying to rush back to it with that knee. So you do Stipe, Jon in December, and then Francis fights the winner in like March. Stipe apparently put on some weight. Yeah. Yeah. Like 10 pounds of muscle. You can't count Stipe out, man.
Starting point is 03:07:26 No, fuck no. I mean, he got clipped by the heaviest striker in the fucking division. Yeah. If Stipe comes back and beats Jon Jones, holy shit. Yep. What do you think about that fight? With Stipe? He looks great.
Starting point is 03:07:40 Yeah, he does look good. I always thought that was a great fight. I don't know. Jon, to me, is such a... To me, he's the best we've ever had. Yeah. I always thought that was a great fight. I don't know. John, to me, is such a to me, he's the best we've ever had. Him at heavyweight is a fucking problem. I don't think he really beats him. He's really acclimating
Starting point is 03:07:53 to the weight, too. He's doing it smart. He out-wrestles Cyril Ghosn, and that's why he beats Cyril Ghosn. Cyril Ghosn's the least of his worries. It's Francis and Stipe. But also with John, the only knock on him recently would be he gets hit and can't get hit at heavyweight, but I think he's going to be smart at heavyweight because he's not a knockout artist.
Starting point is 03:08:11 He's going to take guys down, and then his fight IQ is what makes him special. He doesn't have necessarily length at that weight. Yeah, he does. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He has length. He has length. He's a freak, man.
Starting point is 03:08:22 He's fucking huge. I think Cyril Ghosn is every bit the striker he is right Cyril Ghosn's a better striker he's one of the best
Starting point is 03:08:30 strikers the heavyweight division's ever seen but it's the combination of MMA skills that make John so spectacular he knows what to do and when to do it
Starting point is 03:08:38 he improvises he can strike with you good luck getting close to him he's the best distance manager maybe ever he's very creative.
Starting point is 03:08:46 And also when you get too close, he's going to take you down. He'll take you down. And if he takes him down, he's not getting up. Remember he took DC down twice. If Francis can take down Sirogan and dominate him on the ground, if Jon Jones gets on top of him, that's a totally different beast. And Jon's just as big as him now. Jon's big now.
Starting point is 03:09:02 He's like 253. Jon is somewhere too. Jon is somewhere. Yeah, it's just whether or not he's in form, right? Whether or not the long layoff plays a factor. Whether or not the bigger weight class plays a factor. It would have to. And with a mover like Cyril Gaughan,
Starting point is 03:09:17 the reason why him versus John would be so interesting is because Cyril moves like no other heavyweight. So he moves like a light heavyweight even. He moves even faster than some of them. He's quick as fuck. And his movement in and out and his striking. Look at the power in his kicks. I think Cyril's going to have to get through Curtis Blades before we start talking John, Steve Bay, and Francis.
Starting point is 03:09:36 He's going to have to get through an elite wrestler. And Curtis can wrestle like a motherfucker. Look at that combination. Curtis is ground and pound. He's double leg. Curtis was a national champion. He's a big dude, was a national champion he's a big dude too he's a big dude huge that's a that's an interesting fight for serial gun i agree you know and i think that's a logical fight too right especially because he lost to francis wins by spectacular knockout against tai tuivasa him versus curtis blades and
Starting point is 03:09:59 if curtis blades beats him man woo wee then know, there's an argument for a rematch for the title. Curtis and John are talking shit to each other. Oh, Jesus. Yep. Really? Boy. That's a tough fight for Curtis. MMA is so hot right now.
Starting point is 03:10:14 There's so many good fights. So many good fights to be made. It's so interesting. It's such an interesting time for MMA. I'm so excited for John to come back. Yeah. No, it's amazing. He just needs to fight.
Starting point is 03:10:25 It's been a hot fucking second. It's been a while. It's been a while. excited for John to come back. Yeah. No, it's amazing. He just needs to fight. It's been a hot fucking second. It's been a while. It's been a while. It's like, come on. And now he's like, I'm ready to go. Like, someone's like, John, where are you at? He's like, notice. Even Daniel was like, John's ready to go.
Starting point is 03:10:34 He's like, it ain't me. So is Stipe dealing with an injury? I don't know. I wish I could speak on it. I don't know. I know John's ready to go, though. I would say that, well, I think that Stipe, I think any fighter that takes that kind of damage, a lot of fighters that take that kind of damage, that has to play a factor in if you're deciding how they're going to do in their next fight. You got to remember that the three fights, the three fights culminating in the knockout
Starting point is 03:11:08 that he had with Francis Ngannou caused a lot of damage, man, to his head. That took way too long to get out. From my experience, that really does play a factor in the fighter you see after that. And so, I don't know. Personally, I just hate seeing guys like that take that kind of damage. When he beat Francis, I was there in person.
Starting point is 03:11:29 We did Wilbur, remember? He took some fucking shots from Francis. Big shots. Big, big shots. And then the JDS fights, he has a lot of miles on him. And then DC knocked him out
Starting point is 03:11:40 right after the Francis fight. It's awful. And I think that you don't walk away from that kind of, four fights like that. You just don't. Well, he has had a long layoff since the Francis fight. Put on some weight, too. How long has it been since the Francis fight?
Starting point is 03:11:55 A hot second. I'm glad he's taken that much time off. That's very smart. Because he's one of the greatest heavyweights ever. Well, on paper, he's the greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time. Yeah. He defended it the most, and he beat amazing guys. I mean, the only knock on paper, he's the greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time. He defended it the most, and he beat amazing guys. I mean, I just think every fighter—
Starting point is 03:12:08 The only knock on him, the guys he beat weren't in their prime, but, I mean, I think he's one of the greatest. Well, one of the things about MMA I've never seen, and what always astonishes me is how quickly you can go from being so dominant, and after even one loss, it's never the same, and that's just the nature of the game. It might be an age thing, father time, whatever it is. It seems like you have a battery as a fighter, a battery.
Starting point is 03:12:30 And once that battery is at a certain point, you never get it back. There are exceptions, and there have been. But for the most part, that's just a fact. I think that you see it with people. It's the greatest sport. Yeah. It's the greatest sport. There's nothing close to it. And he's got nothing's got like boxing boxing is a fucking amazing sport too you know
Starting point is 03:12:49 it's just that it's like the dynamic aspects of mma the kicks the takedowns too many ways to lose the five minute rounds there's you know the the the turns that happen in a fight over five minutes plus the savages they're waiting in line who could easily just be as good if not better and they're just waiting for the opportunity yes but if you go back and listen to the you know you think about the the glory of boxing like the greatest eras of boxing there were some fucking incredible incredible fights in boxing yes you know i mean we're giving oscar de la jolla shit but go back and watch the oscar de la jolla highlight reel it's one of the greatest of all time oscar was fucking incredible. That's a bummer.
Starting point is 03:13:28 Kids today know him as whatever, wearing high heels and doing coke. But it's like, dude, he's the golden boy. He deserves respect. Oscar De La Hoya was the fucking man. And remember all the hate that he took after he fucked up Julio Cesar Chavez? Yeah, man. Because Chavez was a hero. Wow. And they thought that he was too pretty.
Starting point is 03:13:41 There was a lot of people that didn't. He fought everybody. I quote, he fought everybody. Bro, he fought everybody. Every monster. Oscar De La Hoya was the fucking man. 12th round, he'd get up on his heels and come give it to you. He was ruthless.
Starting point is 03:13:52 He was ruthless. I was actually hoping he was going to make a comeback and fight. I really was. Yeah, boxing, they have their issues. But you still got Canelo doing the damn thing, even though he lost recently. And then heavyweight's been great. Heavyweight the past, let's say, four or five years has been fucking phenomenal.
Starting point is 03:14:07 With Wilder, Fury. Terrence Crawford and Earl Spence. It's a huge fight. Is that going to happen? Yeah, it's happening. 100% solid? I can't wait to see that. They both agreed to it.
Starting point is 03:14:16 The promotions both agreed to it. Earl Spence is very big for that weight class and hits so fucking hard. I'm curious how that would do on paper. Bud Crawford, though, is a genius. He's a genius. And he's the best switch stance fighter in all
Starting point is 03:14:28 of boxing. Remember Earl got in that car accident, too. Really bad car accident. He was in a 488 Spyder, and he didn't have a seatbelt on and flew out of the car. If he would have had a seatbelt on, he would have died. Did he get an injury, though? He got really fucked up. Really? I thought he was fine. I mean, he didn't break any bones,
Starting point is 03:14:44 but, you know. I think he just fell out of the car and was actually okay. Flew out of the Yeah. Did he? I thought he was fine. I mean, he didn't break any bones, but, you know. I think he just fell out of the car and was actually okay. Flew out of the car. Yeah, but I think that's obviously what you said. So, Chris Van Aerten, who fought him, I said, Chris was a regional champion, you know. Australian champion, yeah. South Africa. And I said, what is it that, what was it about him?
Starting point is 03:15:01 And he said, you know, his ability, it was like, because he looks like he looks, he doesn't look flashy, right? Earl Spence is like ones and twos, right? And he said he has this insane ability to measure distance. Like, it's uncanny. Like, he just knows exactly when he's, like, a millimeter out of your reach, and then he knows exactly when he's a millimeter within your,
Starting point is 03:15:24 you know, within hitting you. And it's really hard to fight a guy who can measure distance like that. November 12th or November 19th will likely take place in Las Vegas, if the details are finalized. Ooh, boy, that's exciting. That's going to be a sick fight. 38-0, 28-0. You know what another exciting fight is that people are sleeping on?
Starting point is 03:15:41 Triple G versus Canelo 3. Let me tell you something. I agree with that. Triple G is going south of the border and bringing back a pharmacy bag. And he looks good. He looks good. I don't know if he is, but I would. What about Tank and Ryan Garcia?
Starting point is 03:15:54 I mean, the way they test in boxing, how do they test? They check your tacos. What's in there? Nothing. We're good. We're good. Get up there. I mean, it's not nearly as invasive unless they sign up for it. Now, if they sign up for VADA testing or something like that. That's boring. What are we doing?
Starting point is 03:16:10 If they do that, they'll be dealing with a different thing because Triple G is 40-something years old. He's either 40 or 41. Did you watch his last fight? He looked good. He looked good. He looked a little saucy. But that's why I'm not as excited. He looks a little saucy.
Starting point is 03:16:22 I love it. I like it. He looks a little saucy. Bring him up i'm not as excited saucy i love it i like it yeah bring him up jamie to be more muscular than ever before at 40 years of age it just doesn't make sense to make you go just wait till i get on the sauce just wait till i get on the fuck it look good but you know look man there's there's guys in those camps that they make a lot of money making sure their fighters in tip-top condition if you don't think that there's guys in those camps that specialize in performance-enhancing drugs, you're high.
Starting point is 03:16:50 There always have been. The greatest fighters always had those guys in their camp. There's always been guys that gave them legal and illegal stuff. In boxing and MMA. Yes. Your favorite guy had that guy. Especially back in the days before USADA with the UFC, it was a real problem. I mean, camps had scientists.
Starting point is 03:17:07 I mean, there was camps that employed people that would check people's labs. They knew what to do. And you know those people. I've been in those camps. And they used to tell me it's not about who's the best fighter. It's about who has the best doctor. I went, well, I'm not making enough money to afford this. They went, I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 03:17:21 So that's cool. It's wild. And then there's the TRT era where everything just went haywire. Some might say the best era. Some might say that that's still going on and those scientists are still around. They might be. Look, you would have to be so advanced to be able to skirt past USADA testing today. You'd have to be really advanced.
Starting point is 03:17:40 But one of the interesting things that people concentrate on, if you go to that More Plates, More Dates site, that guy Derek, who is really smart about this stuff. Brilliant. I just ordered something from his site. Brilliant about that stuff. He talks about the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio of some of the fighters that they tested that passed anyone. But they should have red-flagged that.
Starting point is 03:17:59 They should have red-flagged, there's Triple G in his last fight. Completely gray. Yeah. He's not going for like an Anderson Cooper thing there. He looks fucking good. Yeah, he doesn't look that muscular. Looks good. Is he gray? Is that gray? Yeah. Or is that just
Starting point is 03:18:13 the way this image just looks? No, it's all gray, dude. He's all gray now? Yeah, it's all gray. Maybe he dyed his hair? No. Maybe he dyed his hair gray? Why would he dye his hair gray? Okay. He looked pretty good. Maybe not saucy, but definitely as good as he's ever looked before i want that tank uh davis uh fucking thanks the most exciting fight like as far as like knockout artists like if you're paying attention triple g fan i should say i'm a dick rider i love
Starting point is 03:18:35 this dude in his prime i thought he won the first fight with canelo oh easily yeah i thought he won that fight i thought they robbed him yeah the second fight was real close now my girl's from the same hometown my wife's from the same hometown as My wife's from the same hometown as Canelo. And when he fights, it's a fucking fiesta. And I hope he loses every fight. I'm like, fuck this guy. I love him. I love Canelo, too.
Starting point is 03:18:53 Me, too. I love him, but I like to go against the grain. Have you met Canelo? No, never met him. I'm a big fan, though. I love his style, man. I mean, if you go back and watch the Danny Jacobs fight, who the fuck has ever moved their head better?
Starting point is 03:19:03 Oh, great fight. Who the fuck has ever moved their head better than Canelo? And Danny Jacobs is a monster. But Canelo's got to come back down one weight class. Well, he belongs at 68. You go up with guys like B-Vol that are natural 75-pounders. And this is my argument about more weight classes in MMA. Because it's not that much of a difference.
Starting point is 03:19:20 You know? I mean, 68 to 75, like, we could do that 10 pounds-ish in every weight class. And you would see the difference in Bivol versus Canelo. Canelo really shouldn't be fighting a guy that's that big. There's no business. When he fought Floyd Mayweather, he was 52. Floyd made him weigh in at 152. He was 21 years old.
Starting point is 03:19:39 It's like that guy knocked out Kovalev. And I know it was past his prime. Still. Kovalev's a monster. KO'd a great light heavyweight champion. A guy who used to, at one point in time, was a great light heavyweight champion. And that's where you've got to respect Andre Ward. Because they offered Andre Ward a shitload of money to come back and fight Canelo after he knocked out Kovalev.
Starting point is 03:19:58 He's like, nope. He said, I think I would be better representing boxing the way I am. Being a commentator, being a spokesperson for boxing. said I think I would be better representing boxing the way I am, being a commentator, being a spokesperson for boxing, and being a guy who's a two-time gold medalist in the Olympics, boxing world champion, undefeated. Undefeated in all times. He's top five.
Starting point is 03:20:15 But would you say? Two-division world champion. Savage. Retires undefeated. Let me play devil's advocate on Andre Ward because he's awesome. But he didn't necessarily, he didn't fight a lot and he didn't fight, did he fight the best fighters? He fought everybody.
Starting point is 03:20:30 Dude, he fought with one arm. Do you know that most of his career he only had a left arm? What do you mean? His right shoulder was fucked. His supraspinatus was detached when he was young and they gave him like band workouts and shit to do. For your argument, he also grew up without parents, you son of a bitch. Well, his dad died. His dad died
Starting point is 03:20:45 actually, no, his dad died when he was fairly old. He didn't grow up with a dad. Or a mom. I believe he did. No, his boxing coach was basically his dad. Adopted him. Yeah? Look that up, Jamie. Andre Ward is a prince of a man. Legend. Oh, forget it. Great commentator.
Starting point is 03:21:01 No, it sounds like you're hating on him a little bit. Well, I'd like to have seen him fight. Super Christian, admirable guy. He didn't fight like you're hating on him a little bit. Well, I'd like to have seen him fight. Super Christian, like admirable guy. He didn't fight a lot. He was looked after by his godfather, Virgil Hunter, who was his coach. Virgil Hunter, who was his trainer, who became his trainer. There you go, Brian. He did it without parents.
Starting point is 03:21:14 Irish American and Madeline. So he was... Parents fell to drug abuse, then he was looked after by Virgil Hunter. Wow. He's an amazing guy. So, I mean, just to walk away from that kind of money. I mean, I don't know how much money they were offering him. Why did he walk away from it?
Starting point is 03:21:27 Because he didn't want to fight. He was set. He's like, I'm done. I retired. I retired undefeated. I did what I wanted to do. This is like recent, too, man. This is like two years ago.
Starting point is 03:21:34 Yeah. And he's still in his prime. I mean, I think he's only like 35 years old now. How old is Andre Ward? Bunch of kids, too. You know, a lot of guys just get fucking tired of the training. 38. A lot of guys just truly get tired of the training.
Starting point is 03:21:46 When you train your whole life like that, they're just like, I don't want to do this anymore. I think you also have to realize that there's going to be a time at some point when you have to stop. So when do you stop? Like, look at Khabib. Amazing. Perfect. He said, I'm going to stop undefeated. World champion. The best to ever do it. Thank you. Goodbye. And Dana even
Starting point is 03:22:02 was like, hey, I guess they offered him a bunch of money to just do a grappling match. He's like, when I say I'm done, I'm done. He's done. Done competing. And he's going to be the greatest coach of all time now. He's going to be. I mean, and the way his guys will fight, knowing that they're being trained by that guy.
Starting point is 03:22:17 Just the amount of pride. It's not just that. It's also the culture he creates in a gym. Like, you're not fucking around. Everything. Super, super disciplined. God fighting. About gym. You're not fucking around. Everything. Super, super disciplined. God fighting. About everything.
Starting point is 03:22:29 About everything. About your diet. About the way you take care of your body. Talk about God. He turned down a big, big deal. Like a multi-million dollar deal for gambling. Because they wanted to represent his Eagle FC. He's like, no.
Starting point is 03:22:41 Gambling ruins families. I love him. I love that dude. God dang. Well, he's right. You're a better person than me. I mean, look, I believe in gambling. DraftKings.com promo code shop. I believe in gambling because I'm a grown adult and I think you should be able to make your own choices. But does fuck up
Starting point is 03:22:54 families to his point. No, no, no. You fuck up families when you gamble too much. It's like, what are you doing? We need to teach people discipline. We don't need to remove everything that's tempting in this life. Correct. Then you remove people's ability to do whatever they want to do. Then you're China. Gambling though is one of those things where I sat in on a Gambler's Anonymous meeting. Why would you do that?
Starting point is 03:23:13 Because I was writing something. You had nothing. And I went with Jimmy Burke. He and I went and sat and he goes, just come and watch this. Because Jimmy had, his father was a gambler. And I sat in on fucking a Gambler's Anonymous. It's addiction. It is every bit. I'm telling you it's every bit as addictive because it's a chemical that you produce, that juice, as anything you can imagine. This dude was doing this. He was doing this.
Starting point is 03:23:36 He goes, he was like, so I've been, I've done, I've stopped gambling. It's been like four days. I did walk by a parlor and I knew they were gambling and I was able to keep going. So I was just like, holy fuck. Dude, I knew a lot of guys like that because when I was like 23 and I moved to New York, I spent most of my days in pool halls. Right. So I was around all these degenerates. All these guys were gambling on the horses. They were going to off-track betting. They were gambling. If they get to a casino, they would get in poker games at the pool hall. They'd sell get to a casino, they would get in poker games at the
Starting point is 03:24:05 pool hall. They'd sell their plasma. Bro, they would not. So many of these guys that I knew were homeless, or they were staying in a hostel-type situation. Yes. There was these houses that would put these guys up. Jesus Christ. And they'd get a bed in a room, and they didn't have anything. These guys wore the same
Starting point is 03:24:22 clothes every time I saw them, and they'd come down, and they'd try to steal candy bars from behind the counter of the pool hall and they were just trying to gamble all day long there was a girl i dated and she was the greatest person and she had money she had worked she married this amazing guy he was a great fucking dude i remember in fact i remember when i met them i remember thinking to myself they had two kids they had this beautiful house and i was like that's like you see people and you're like that's a perfect family like really good looking he had it all together I was like fuck you know and then she inherited some money from her family and I saw her at a party and I said how are you doing and she said she looked strained you need
Starting point is 03:25:01 to get older and I was like some people and said, what's going on? And we started talking. And her husband had got caught up in gambling. And when I tell you that he lost all their money, including her inheritance, they had nothing. They had absolutely fucking nothing. She looked tired?
Starting point is 03:25:19 She had to fucking... Do you know what he bet on? The under? Let me get some of that. Was he taking the under or what? I guess we can't cheers if I don't have something in your cup. I'm sorry. You don't have anything in your cup, B? No, he left me high and dry. My story was so deep.
Starting point is 03:25:34 I was in the middle of cheers and I'm like, I can't stop now. That's marijuana. Hey, boys, it's good to see you guys. It's fucking good to see you guys. I don't like how calm Eddie is everybody on my Instagram everybody was like Eddie Eddie Eddie
Starting point is 03:25:50 I was like hey guys you know what it is you guys can go on for fucking ever dog and there have been a couple times where I wanted to interject but you guys let me just enjoy the conversation that's mature.
Starting point is 03:26:05 That's mature. Brendan, Brendan, you can go on for fucking every dog. Yeah. You and Joe need to do an MMA show. Boys, we've had some of the best fucking conversations. We've had some of the best fucking conversations on these fights. You guys can go for six hours straight between you two. Fight companions.
Starting point is 03:26:19 I miss these. I miss these. To this day, that one with you and I watching the bodybuilders with the chocolate bodies it's one of my favorite clips of all time I was laughing so hard dude I couldn't stop loving it
Starting point is 03:26:30 sponsor the next fight come here well we'll see I'm kidding the ones with the fucking with the white faces and the chocolate bodies I was laughing so hard
Starting point is 03:26:40 you were making jokes we were crying about bodybuilders because they can't do blackface anymore because they used to paint their whole body dark but they can't do that anymore because now it looks like you're appropriating black culture so they go up to the chin and then their face is white they go vanilla face but chocolate body and shab and i were fucking i was
Starting point is 03:26:59 in tears we were crying and then we were discovering it as we were talking about it. Like, as we were talking, we were discovering how preposterous it really was. And Jamie would bring guys up. We're like, look at that guy. Look at Chocolate Body. I couldn't stop laughing. And those ladies, too. Yeah. Oh, it was so dumb.
Starting point is 03:27:14 And yeah, that's when you lived up the street, man. Someone canceled, he'd call me up, I'd fucking cruise over. And then there was one where that dude Instagram flagged my fucking profile for this in Shadowband. When that giant black guy's running the 40 and his dick pops out. And he falls running the 40. And he goes, oh, damn, my dick popped out on air. And they're like, okay, well, he's from Auburn. And they're just trying to like down get just this big black dick.
Starting point is 03:27:43 It's a dragon. I think it was like fucking Game of Thrones. It was a tail. And it gets all turf burn. He's like, oh. How hilarious is that they can't say something? It's ridiculous. How did I acknowledge that?
Starting point is 03:27:57 One of the guys went, well, looks like his shorts had a malfunction. One of the guys said something like that. If it was in the UFC and some guy went in there, can you still go with old school Valley Tudor shorts? Oh, yeah. You can do that? Yeah, they make those.
Starting point is 03:28:10 Veta makes those. Oh, I don't know. They're way up. Like old school. The way Pele used to wear them. They used to wear them like Speedos. Yeah. They'd wear Speedos.
Starting point is 03:28:17 I don't think that's legal. No, you can't. If you did that and your hog popped out, I would have to talk about it. Like DC and I. You have to. 100% DC and I would talk about it. DC would do it, so would you. The UFC fighter, the last guy to come out,
Starting point is 03:28:29 Dennis Hallman. Dennis Hallman lost a bet. He lost a bet. Yes. And he had to come out with a little tighty. No, I think they were blue. I think they were like, maybe they were pink. But it was super suspect.
Starting point is 03:28:40 Baby blue, super short shorts. Yeah. Yeah, but I think it's because he lost a bet. And Dana got really mad at him. think it's because he lost a bet. And Dana got really mad at him. He's like, I lost a bet. What the fuck do you want me to do? But those network TV, like I used to work for E and do the big award shows, like the Academy Awards and Grammys. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 03:28:56 Hey, bro, that's how they all used to fight. If you go back, now go back to Pele MMA. Go to Pele. Ken Shamrock wore those in red. But that makes sense that the weigh-ins make sense. Wearing little short shorts to the weigh-ins is just funny. But in a fight, you know, they probably would never allow that to happen. That was back in the old days where people could sponsor your shit, too.
Starting point is 03:29:15 That's fucking hilarious. Now they make, you know, Venom. It used to be Reebok. They just re-signed with him. Go to Pele. Pele MMA. Pele was a badass Muay Thai fighter. He was the first
Starting point is 03:29:25 Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva was his prodigy. Protégé, rather. Back in the day. And they're all hairy, so the hair's all sticking out. Oh, man. If you get like that. Like one of them hairy Russian dudes with all kinds of ball hair hanging out.
Starting point is 03:29:41 Remember Orlovsky back in the day when he first started fighting? He had hair on his shoulder. He was a wolf. He had hair everywhere. There was another dude, Pele. See, Pele fought in those shorts. He didn't lose any bets. They all fought in those back then.
Starting point is 03:29:58 He didn't lose any bets. He decided that. But that's how they all wore their shorts like that. Back in the early days of Valley Tudor, and notice that they're all bare-knuckled, too. He fought Chuck Liddell bare-knuckled. Dude. So back in the day, those cats would all wear, see, Carlos Newton's wearing little tight-end shorts, too.
Starting point is 03:30:15 Well, in Brazil, in Rio, they're all wearing those shorts on the beach. If you wear board shorts on the beach in Brazil- You look gay. Yeah, just go home. Yeah, but then someone came along and was like, hey, this is where I look gay, man. Let's put some shorts on the beach in brazil you look gay you yeah just go home well yeah but then someone came along was like hey sorry like gay man let's put some shorts on these guys can't be in i wore four shorts i can't i can't do bikini my legs are too skinny i do short shorts like my shorts are short you know i do it do you feel like you're a little less there's something about them a little
Starting point is 03:30:39 speed up i don't know i felt like such a me and todd don't like my legs. I felt like such a pussy. Me and Todd White were in Brazil, and everybody got these oak-jewed legs, these Brazilians with their little bikinis. And we had our board shorts, and I felt like an idiot, dude. I'm like, I can't do it. I just can't fucking do it, dude. I don't like my body. When I'm around those guys. I don't have the thighs.
Starting point is 03:30:56 Are they still wearing those bikini briefs? That's all they wear. Yeah, that's all they have out there. Isn't that interesting? You wear board shorts on the beach, dude. Like France. They laugh at you. Really?
Starting point is 03:31:03 French guys, right? It makes sense. It's so comfortable. You look weird in it the beach, dude. Like France. Really? French guys, right? It makes sense. It's so comfortable. You look weird in it. It's not comfortable for me. My legs rub together. What's that? My top of my legs.
Starting point is 03:31:11 I have to wear like boxer brief underwear. Yeah, I like that. Oh, I wear whitey tighties. Do you? All day every day. Nah, I like my boxer brief. My legs rub.
Starting point is 03:31:17 They rub against each other. You name it. But only dark colors, you know, streaks and shit. Yeah. If you wear those little shorts today, like you're not allowed to, even if you're a girl. Girls have to wear standard issue shorts.
Starting point is 03:31:32 In the US, I mean. Yeah. They can wear spandex. They can wear spandex. A man can, too. They can wear spandex or they can wear the short ones. Yeah, but it's long spandex, right? Who's fucking wearing spandex these days?
Starting point is 03:31:43 Does anybody do it anymore? Tights, no. I would think that would be better because someone can grab it. Yeah. It might restrict your kicking maybe. Yeah, but no. Those things are so flexible. But do people still wear them?
Starting point is 03:31:58 They still do. I know they definitely did with Reebok. I haven't seen it. I definitely saw some guys with the tight shorts, which I would think would eliminate grabbing. I haven't seen it. I definitely saw some guys with the tight shorts, which I would think would eliminate grabbing. Like, you can't grab it. Because sometimes people complain, he's grabbing my shorts. Right.
Starting point is 03:32:11 Like, you can't grab the tights. But now they'll do the spandex with the short shorts, like Kamaru Smith wears or Misha Tate. Are you allowed to grab hair? No. You're not. What are you, from 1992? Well, you used to be able to, remember? Yeah.
Starting point is 03:32:24 You can't eye gouge either, dude. Oh, my God. It'd be kind of cool if you did. Nobody would have long hair, though. But I remember when Hoist Gracie grabbed, what's it? Chemo. Chemo. Fucking ponytail.
Starting point is 03:32:36 His shit was bleeding. Yeah. He used to be able to hit in the groin and shit. You're so hilarious, Callan. You're living in the past. I know. Real MMA fans right now Are so angry No I like asking fake questions
Starting point is 03:32:48 Because I like to get No you thought that was real You thought that was real That's fine That's fine I think that was a real question Who gave this to you? Jack Carr
Starting point is 03:32:54 Do they have rounds? Who? Jack Carr Oh I got some fucking Amazing knives for you From Montana Knives Oh yeah They've sent them to me
Starting point is 03:33:01 So he's got It's wrapped in a It's wrapped in buffalo hide with beaver tail strapping. It's fucking unbelievable. This is the tomahawk that Chris Pratt's character has. Damn. Chris Pratt's character in what? The Terminalist.
Starting point is 03:33:15 I haven't seen it. That looks like a very well-made tomahawk. Yeah, it's legit. Yeah, that'll fuck you up. Yeah, it's Jack Carr's signature, too. Can you throw that thing? It's two tomahawks. Why would you throw it?
Starting point is 03:33:24 I don't know. I could have used that in Montana, man. Can you throw that thing? It's two tomahawks. Why would you throw it? I don't know. I could have used that in Montana, man. What was going on? Fighting off bears? Bro, me and my son, he's six. We're in those UTVs or whatever, the four-wheel things. And we're in the middle of fucking nowhere, like an hour outside the main grounds in the middle of the fucking mountains.
Starting point is 03:33:41 And the instructor who's in front of us stops and points i'm like what are you doing points there's two little bear cubs run up the mountain he goes look bears i go why are you stopping he goes because you never see bears i'm like no i go do you have a gun or anything or bear spray is no i'm like well where there's cubs there's the fucking mama dude i'm with my kid all we have are these stupid helmets oh get going dude you. You have nothing? He's like, no. I'm like, who gives a fuck about the bears? Get going, dude. Brian, stop. Stop.
Starting point is 03:34:09 Here's the best story about Tim Kennedy. This is all you need to know about Tim Kennedy. That's legit, Tom Hawk. That's legit. You'll love this with Tim. He's still telling his bear stories. How'd you get out of it? We just kept going.
Starting point is 03:34:20 And then we see the big ass mama bear. We'll just walk behind. As we're driving by I'm like and we have nothing dude I'm with my six year old it was just me I don't give a fuck that's how people die running into the female in the cup and then we land and he goes yeah it's bear season too man
Starting point is 03:34:35 I'm like exactly dumbass and you have 20 people behind you get going black bears apparently run oh is that what they say? grizzly bears will fuck you up with their mumps. Were you in a part of Montana that has grizzlies? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, grizzlies.
Starting point is 03:34:48 There's parts of Montana that don't have them. A friend of mine shot an elk there, and they came back. The elk was buried, and they were pretty sure that the way it did it was a grizzly bear. But they took photos of it, and they never caught a grizzly bear on camera. But they've seen some grizzly bears in that area. They started to see them in Colorado yeah disputed there's in the I think it's the San Juan Mountains of Adam Green Tree got he got video of what he is positive from looking at through like a long range scope that it
Starting point is 03:35:18 was a grizzly you don't fuck with Grizzlies no it's good shit oh wait you while you're alive and we don't have anything that's what's on I was talking about. I'm like, you don't have a gun or bear spray? He's like, no. I'm like, I'm with my son, dude. Get going, dude. When you go to Kalispell, Montana, they have bear spray in the fucking gift shop at the right there in the hotel.
Starting point is 03:35:38 I mean, I'm sorry, in the airport. I mean, you carry bear spray. Kalispell, Montana has grizzlies everywhere and you carry fucking bear spray. Remember they said if you see a grizzly bear, you carry bear spray. Kalispell, Montana has grizzlies everywhere, and you carry fucking bear spray. Remember they said if you see a grizzly bear, you lay down? Remember that the Cub Scout leader, they ran into one. He had all his Cub Scouts with him. He's like, I know what to do here, and they stumble upon a grizzly.
Starting point is 03:35:57 He lays down. The Cub Scouts watched him get eaten ass first alive. Yeah. Okay. They tell you to lay down. They say when they come out after hibernating, they're hungry. And black bears too. And that's when that oil worker in Edmonton,
Starting point is 03:36:10 that black bear came out and that black bear had just been hibernating. And the black bear was like, well, I'm starving and I need to put weight on. You look delicious, sir. So you may be a roughneck, but I'm going to eat you. They're wild predators, Matt. And we don't have a sense of what that means because we live in these insulated city environments.
Starting point is 03:36:26 Yeah. When you go out there and you see them in the real world, man. Oh, my gosh. There's a video that just got out today that I saw of a wolf running with a calf in its mouth, like a baby cow. I saw that. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 03:36:38 A baby cow in its mouth. It jumps over there. And it jumps over two fences with this calf in its mouth. This thing is half the size of it. And it's so powerful. It's running full clip with this thing and leaps over two fences with this calf in its mouth. This thing is half the size of it and it's so powerful. It's running full clip with this thing and leaps over a fence. Think about how strong that is. With this calf in its mouth.
Starting point is 03:36:51 You gotta see if you can find it. It's a giant timber wolf. Somebody sent it to me, but they are the most efficient predators because they act in packs. They're the only predator in North America that organizes and sets animals up. They'll have one go ahead to scare
Starting point is 03:37:06 them back this way and they have a bunch waiting in the woods they do that with dogs too right they like lure them in and fuck them up I still live where we used to live just on the ring app I always look at the crime some dude posted a 200 pound mountain lion just strolling
Starting point is 03:37:20 200 pounds well it's from this guy. I don't know if he's an animal. It's so big, dude. You got to think of a 200-pound man, but so much stronger. I saw one for the first time in Utah last year. You did? From inside of a truck.
Starting point is 03:37:35 There it is. Yes, this is it. Look at it. Holy fuck. Look at him run. He's pretty big. Look at him run with that calf in his mouth. Timberwolves can be 150 pounds. Is that a wolf or a coyote?
Starting point is 03:37:42 That's a wolf. Timberwolves can be 150 pounds. I don't fuck with wolves. Dude, look at how he's running with that calf in his mouth. Iberwolves can be 150 pounds. Is that a wolf or a coyote? Timberwolves can be 150 pounds. I don't fuck with wolves. Dude, look at how he's running with that calf in his mouth. I mean, that's crazy. Those calves, they're dense. I mean, what does that thing weigh? And he's just running with it in his mouth. That's crazy.
Starting point is 03:37:55 And he's taking it back to the homies. Look at the size of that fucking calf. The way he can do that and jump over that fence with a calf in his mouth is fucking astounding. He has that nose that knows right have you seen that video of that monkey that's swimming and it's so it looks like a sea monkey like those cartoons of sea monkeys I sent Jamie the video it's it's a weird video I've never seen it's an actual monkey swimming an actual monkey swimming like somewhere
Starting point is 03:38:22 have you ever heard the aquatic a theory no aquatic ape theory is like trying to An actual monkey swimming like a goddamn seal. You ever heard of the aquatic ape theory? No. Aquatic ape theory is like trying to figure out why human beings are born with so much fat on us and why primates in general don't know to hold their breath underwater. And they panic and they drown. Look at this. But female humans.
Starting point is 03:38:40 Check out this monkey. Whoa. Check this out. That's fucking wild. He's going to look up at the camera and then like bail. Watch. He looks up. Look at that.
Starting point is 03:38:48 And then boom. Oh, fuck. Damn it. He's swimming. There's a monkey that can swim. Is that in a zoo? Yeah. That monkey's fucking swimming.
Starting point is 03:38:54 Is that normal? Doesn't it look like that Curious George kind of like cartoon monkey, right? Is that a new thing that monkeys can swim? Could that be fake? I don't think so. It looks like it's in the zoo and that monkey got used to the water. That doesn't look like natural habitat. Can you see if you can find out what that is, Jamie?
Starting point is 03:39:10 The water's a little too blue. Jamie found it. Here it is. Oh, look at this. How do you say that word? Proboscis. Proboscis monkeys have an unusual trait. You've not seen many other species of monkey that can swim.
Starting point is 03:39:23 Using their partially webbed toes and fingers, they are able to escape predators and cross rivers to find food. Damn. Wow. So they can swim. Aren't they indigenous to India or to Indonesia? I don't know. I think...
Starting point is 03:39:36 I don't know, but they can fucking swim. You gotta be careful. They got webbed feet and hands. So the idea of the quadric ape theory is that most primates, here it is, watch monkeys swim for their their supper in rare video so it's in indonesia wow yeah that's wild so what what this uh theory is supposed to be saying is that like say if you throw a chimp in in the water chimps do not know to immediately hold their breath but a human baby does yeah and then we have so much fat on us which
Starting point is 03:40:01 is so different than any other baby most babies are born and they're like much more rigid. Like a baby chimp is like they're much more closer to like developed. But humans are like so – we can't move at all. Blobs. And the idea is – it's apparently very disputed. But the idea is that maybe at one point in time we evolved from a species of ape that was aquatic. And that was the way we were able to avoid ground predators while we're still vulnerable and the way the babies come out with so much fat on them because they're more buoyant and they swim better.
Starting point is 03:40:33 Okay, I like this theory. I don't know, man. I mean, it would be more popular amongst other— What do you think of simulation theory? Simulation theory is fascinating because for sure one day it's going to be possible. If we don't blow ourselves up, there's going to come a time, whether it's a hundred years from now or a thousand years from now, that
Starting point is 03:40:52 the reality that they create digitally or through some method is indistinguishable from what you're experiencing right now. That's 100% going to happen because it's pretty goddamn unreal what they can do with VR now. But is this a simulation then?
Starting point is 03:41:08 When Mark Zuckerberg was here, he was showing me the newest version of the meta thing. And so it's like you go into a city and you're walking around in a city and you can go on like virtual vacations. So you could have this thing on, you walk through the Louvre in Paris and you see all the paintings and shit. And you could see it as if you were there. You could see the people that are in the room while it's being filmed and you feel like real time. It looks real It's they're getting closer and closer to what's ultimately going to be an inescapable Reality like you're gonna go into it and you're you're you're not going to know whether you're in it or not and then if You just decide to plug into it all the time like in the matrix
Starting point is 03:41:45 remember when they say to him yeah you know like i just want to be someone important yeah remember he's eating steak yeah i want to be someone important and it's like good keep me in here just keep me in here and this is better than surviving out there running from robots so do you think it's that what is simulation theory the idea that this is we are in a simulation we are in a game it deals with probability theory and i had it explained to me by a guy who was way over my head. I was too dumb for the conversation. But essentially what he was trying to say is that if you have an infinite number of solar systems
Starting point is 03:42:15 and an infinite number of planets and an infinite number of intelligent life forms that could have evolved, because the universe is that big. It's so big, there's no end to knowing how many tricks how many different versions of intelligent life exists on these you know five billion light years twenty hundred billion light years away however far they are someone somewhere should have gotten to the position where they
Starting point is 03:42:39 can create a simulation she's good so that's the case what what is that well what's here's the thing what's the case what what is that well what's here's the thing what's the fabric of the universe itself like what what is if the big bang's real and everything started from this one point and then expanded to become everything that you see right now what what is causing that and what is that and is that something that someone could create is could an intelligent life form get so powerful and so like so in tune with the way reality and the fiber of the universe exists that they can create a universe well the large but then the other question is is that is the big bang is evolution all those things is that
Starting point is 03:43:20 a phenomenon within a larger phenomenon it could very very well be. It could be that. Yeah, well, the idea being that, like, so I was talking to Eric Weinstein, who's got a giant brain, and Eric said, the theory of everything might be, or the idea would be, if the simulation is already here, and if the singularity has already occurred,
Starting point is 03:43:42 and what you and I are, and everything is, we are already self-replicating machines, right? So our biological heritage is long dead. And we're making robots that are, you know, we're reverse engineering the human brain, reverse engineering the red blood cell, and making robots that seem to be more and more lifelike. Okay. Now robots don't know they're going to die. There's all kinds of issues with consciousness.
Starting point is 03:44:15 But if the singularities already happened, meaning that you and I are already self-replicating machines and we are in the process of making machines that are even better than us, but we're already in the simulation. That is a theory that theoretical mathematicians are already entertaining. The simulation theory, you ever notice it only comes from wealthy people? No, it comes from mathematics. Like the guy working at 7-Eleven is not like, we're working a simulation. No, it comes from scientists and thoughtful, like really, really high-level math. Also people that aren't religious.
Starting point is 03:44:38 Physicists. What I was going to get to- It's actually an interesting religion. And this runs into religion. What I was going to get to is you could take that further and say that with time, intelligent life would become a god. Because intelligent life would become godlike if it didn't get interrupted. If it didn't get interrupted and it kept evolving and improving. If there was some sort of competition that forced it to continue to evolve and improve, which is what makes all competition on Earth so important.
Starting point is 03:45:06 Things continue to evolve and improve. If that happens for a million years, for 5 million years, for 10 million years, we've had animals on this planet that are older than that, right? What if a life form that became super intelligent evolved to the point where it had absolute control over everything? That would be a god. Yeah. And that would be a real God.
Starting point is 03:45:26 That would be something that, like, science could put their hat on. They could go, okay, well, let's call that God. Because if there's an intelligent life form that literally creates everything, that is what God does. That's God, yeah. And if God is letting children starve, if God is letting horrible crimes take place and the worst shit that we see in all of the society,
Starting point is 03:45:45 if that's true, and if that is just because what a God is, is something that just creates things, and a God sets these processes in place, and it gives you a higher good to reach for, and then the ultimate goal is that species becomes like God's. If they just kept going, if they didn't kill each other and they didn't steal and they treated each other well and they evolved better to figure out how to manage that. And then all work together to improve upon this technological, biological synergy that is obviously taking place. biological synergy that is obviously taking place. And it gets to the point where this creature, this thing that they've created, that they've created out of themselves and their own creations, is more powerful than anything we could ever imagine. That literally could be like a Dr. Manhattan type deal.
Starting point is 03:46:39 That question is interesting even if you take it to yourself. So I think it's really interesting that, and tell me if you agree with this, you know, but like, I always feel like as a human being, you have in your mind's eye, almost a nostalgia or an understanding that of when you're not doing what you're supposed to do. You feel it. Yeah. And not only that, like, it's almost like my my best the best version of myself if i even dare to look at it is in the other room clearing its throat but and i know
Starting point is 03:47:09 what i have to do to get there but most people are not interested but when we see people who like a guy like let's say i don't know ben askren or something who who was able to put himself through enough pain to become that good a wrestler just as an example or you see some guy or whatever which we're admiring, I think, is not so much the skill, but what it took to get there. The character. The character. The ability. You were talking about wrestlers. There's something
Starting point is 03:47:33 about wrestlers, high-level wrestlers, because you know that you're not getting a lot of glory, but when you see an NCAA champ or whatever, you know what they had to do to get there. The sacrifices. The sacrifice, the ability to talk to themselves the right way, to keep grinding and all that stuff.
Starting point is 03:47:52 You see somebody who's very, very creative, Elon Musk. Everybody's saying, you can't do this, you can't do this. He's going to fuck off and he keeps doing it. And I think that there's something very interesting about, to me, that's the idea behind truth and God. Like the notion that if I really pay attention to the voice that's telling me to conquer my inner bitch, as you always say, which I wish I'd come up with, it'd be a great fucking t-shirt. But that idea, why is that there? And why do we know every time we're eating cake and we're fucking up? We know we're fucking up.
Starting point is 03:48:23 It's not the right thing to do. Yeah. Why is it that there's this sort of dull tug? There's always this tug pushing me and the only way to avoid not becoming that is create a bunch of fucking noise.
Starting point is 03:48:34 A bunch of noise. That's why I don't think we're in a simulation. Well, within, it may be, but I just think that for me, I always think... I could be a part of it. I could certainly be a part of it all.
Starting point is 03:48:44 Yeah, I think the ultimate... Interesting. For me, it makes me... Well, you know right what's not. I could be a part of it. I could certainly be a part of it all. Yeah. I think the ultimate... Interesting. For me, it makes me feel good about the universe. It makes me feel like there is a benevolent end to this. Simulation makes me want to get back. I think the reason why we all want to work together and it's better to be kind, to be a good person is because when things work together, more things get done.
Starting point is 03:49:00 There's a thing about human beings that we are creating newer and better things always, constantly. To what end? That's the thing. Understanding? This is what I'm talking about before. When I'm talking about the evolution of the creature becoming godlike, I think it happens with technology. And I think technology gets introduced into the human biology and it radically accelerates our ability to think and solve problems and come up with new solutions and then invent newer and crazier innovations.
Starting point is 03:49:29 But that's tool using. It's not tool using. It's the fabric of space and time. It's finding out what the fuck dark matter is, harnessing it, creating nuclear fusion in a sustainable way where they never have to worry about ever having any pollutants, have a zero carbon atmosphere. I'm still asking you, though, I wonder at times to what end is that? I think we become a thing that's not us.
Starting point is 03:49:51 I think we become like a fucking alien. A transhuman or something. I think that's coming. And I don't think that's going to be that far away, whether it's 100 years or 200 years. Did you hear when they record the sound that a black hole makes? Yeah, that was scary. It's terrifying. Terrifying. Does it sound like the Aztec death whistle? It eats everything? Yeah, that was scary. It's terrifying.
Starting point is 03:50:05 Does it sound like the Aztec death whistle? Yeah, it does. That's exactly what it sounds like. Imagine if you're a neighboring planet and you hear that in the distance. Oh my god, you're just getting slowly sucked into the black hole. I can't believe you didn't jump in on this
Starting point is 03:50:21 fucking simulation, dude. You think we're in a simulation? I just need to see the evidence. I'm open to it. Where's the evidence? There's none. I'm open to it. It's all theory.
Starting point is 03:50:33 I'm open to it. Yeah, it's all theory. Like, where is it at? It's like, is there any kind of evidence? I'm with Eddie. I'm open to it, but I'm not sold. I'm not sold on it, but it might be how the universe works. The whole thing might be a simulation.
Starting point is 03:50:44 Everything that you see. It might have always been that way. It might be where we move in a process. And the way I always equate it is to like a caterpillar. A caterpillar creates a cocoon. It doesn't know it's going to become a butterfly. It doesn't know what the fuck it's doing. It just does it.
Starting point is 03:50:58 That's what it does. I think that's what we do. We make better and better shit. And at this point, I think we're at the point in the human animal has devolved from being a caveman to being a person who lives in 2022s totally attached to your iPhone. We're real close. We're real close. And you keep following it. It's going to go to a point where those things are going to be inside of us because they improve us.
Starting point is 03:51:18 They make everything better. They're going to fix your eyesight. They're going to fix your body. People with spinal cord injuries are going to be able to walk again. And that's going to be the door. And that's going to open it up to people that are going to use it to make more money. For sure. Imagine if there's a thing that you could plug into your head and all of a sudden you're 150, 250% smarter than you are. And you have access to instantaneous access to information on the internet. And you start making financial decisions that are like ridiculous in terms of how effective
Starting point is 03:51:46 you are compared to everybody else doing it you figure out how to control and then the only the people that have that technology will be able to compete delete that's good the only be if you get into it if the only people that have that technology it's like there's a window of time when that shit starts getting implemented or people are going to feel like holy fuck i'm going to get left out yeah like like if people become a different thing It's a stressing me out if people become a different thing if we become a thing that is connected all the time to the Internet All the time and your brain works way better than it works now. What if it just cures depression? What if there's no more war what's the chippy on what if there's no more?
Starting point is 03:52:22 He's working on that chip he's working on something called neural link and it's not specifically designed to do that but it is designed to they think the first things they're going to be able to do is help people with injuries and they're going to help people they can't use their body anymore and then ultimately said you're going to be able to talk without using words nuts when that kind of shit starts happening man check please but if if you're in a competitive business or if you're in a competitive part of like technology and you have access to that what an advantage that would be but imagine once it's everyone has access to it not just the elite it to me it's like
Starting point is 03:52:58 it's gonna ruin dude humanity this is real humanity because everyone's gonna have all the information so no one's gonna be unique. This is what you have to think. It's even worse than that. The first time they do it and they put it in someone, that person's going to make a better one. Yeah. They're going to make better ones. And then if they become fully – if we get to a point where the human mind is fully scalable like a computer, you can keep adding power. You can keep adding access.
Starting point is 03:53:23 You can keep adding data, more things. a access you can keep adding data more things we become guys that that could happen man that's if the if we don't blow ourselves up in a million years and this stays on this path where do you think it goes it might have already happened and we are a product of those gods but remember we also used to think by the year 2000 we're going to be fucking and flying cars that's true too you that shit? I put on my Instagram the other day We did think yes, two thousand scientists have created a fucking embryo in a laboratory We see this rain with a heart and a brain from scratch from scratch Human but I'd have to see you in embryo. I don't know if it's a human embryo. Is it a human embryo? Or is it like it's an embryo can't they create steak to and shit now?
Starting point is 03:54:04 What's I don't know if they can definitely make meat now. I think they're like cloning it. I don't know exactly how. I'm talking about that bullshit beyond burger. They're making meat without a central nervous system so it's pain-free meat. So vegans can now eat meat. It's wild. They're not going to though.
Starting point is 03:54:20 No they will. Well, not the people that think it's bad for you. They're still going to think it's bad for you. Well, they'd be wrong. It's made from a mouse. It's made from, oh, the embryo is made from a mouse? Can you pull up the article so we can see it? It's pretty wild, man.
Starting point is 03:54:32 Look at that. Scientists grow synthetic embryo with brain and beating heart without eggs or sperm. So how long before they put a fucking robot brain into something that they've created? China's probably already done it. They probably already done it. They definitely did some experimenting. They locked up one of their guys in jail because they experimented with these two babies and they made their IQs better. And they said
Starting point is 03:54:55 they were doing it to immunize them for HIV and that inadvertently they improved their IQ. I'm reading a book. But the scientists that are studying it go, no, this is a totally different pathway. They did this shit their IQ. I'm reading a book. But the scientists that are studying it go, no, this is a totally different pathway. They did this shit on purpose. I'm reading a book called The Code Breakers
Starting point is 03:55:12 about Christina Doudna who came up with CRISPR-Cas9 by Walter Isaacson who's a great biographer. He wrote the one on Einstein and shit. And they talk about that in China where I think he used CRISPR-Cas9. Gene editing is the shit. That's what's coming. What do you think about cloning? You think cloning is real? I think it's
Starting point is 03:55:32 already here. You think they've been cloning humans? Some unsavory country for sure. For sure the Nazis were doing that shit, right? It wasn't available back then. You don't think so? I don't know. The largest thing is with bits. You don't think they ever.
Starting point is 03:55:48 I'm going to pee. You guys work this out. Yeah. I'm the only one who hasn't pissed. That's a first. I beat Rogan. Oh, it's a good day. Mark it down, Jamie.
Starting point is 03:55:56 Wow. Get wider, buddy. Anyway. You think they're cloning. They clone Fauci. You think they've cloned celebrities or anything like that? No. No? I don't think they've like cloned celebrities or anything like that? No.
Starting point is 03:56:07 I don't think anybody cares about cloning a celebrity. No, I don't know. You can clone your dog. Dude. Cloning celebrities would be huge. Yeah, it'd be huge.
Starting point is 03:56:15 Like another Brad Pitt or something? I don't know. Two Tom Cruises? One's not enough. The question is if you clone somebody I don't think your biology
Starting point is 03:56:24 you'd have to go through the same things a lot of times the reason you become successful is the shit you had to go through your deficits you know what I'm saying yeah but if you clone
Starting point is 03:56:32 Tom Cruise now he's already been through it so that clones him he's already been through it you would think you would think the controllers would be all over cloning
Starting point is 03:56:40 like from day one what's that you think like whoever's controlling like us who's ever at the top you would think that they would be cloning Muffin yeah what's that you think that whoever's controlling what like us who's ever at the top you would think that they would be cloning mafia the first thing you would think right like yeah let's go get this get with the clone yeah like why not like what you're you're
Starting point is 03:56:55 i think it's too expensive just to make a person expensive this guy nothing's too expensive too expensive yeah we think they're worried you, a fucking communist? Too expensive? Yeah. You think they're worried about money? They can print money. Well, these things are so expensive that if you're going to do some big experiment, you want to have a big payoff. You came at a good time, Joe. Is this a Captain
Starting point is 03:57:17 conspiracy and Captain Fed? No, no. He believes in cloning? He believes in cloning? He just says it's too expensive for the government to do it. It's just too expensive. So we started making fun of him. No, no. I mean, cloning. He just said it's too expensive for the government to do. So we started making fun of him. No, no, I mean cloning like a person just for the sake of it. You don't think they're trying that out in China? I do.
Starting point is 03:57:32 Or like everywhere. Well, in places like China where they don't, I mean, the government has such control over corporations that they do things that's in the best interest of the country. You know, and that's how they justify the way they run their country. the best interest of the country. That's how they justify the way they run their country. They can do that because they can spend money on something that will ultimately be a greater good for their country if they can get ahead of that technology.
Starting point is 03:57:51 And they're ahead of us. I think the money is in... If they do that, they can literally engineer a superior race of human beings. That's possible. That's not outside... Disease resistant. Yeah. Smarter. They're already making babies with measurable IQs that are outside. Disease resistant. Smarter. They're already making babies
Starting point is 03:58:06 with measurable IQs that are smarter. So crazy. How do they figure that out? Fast twitch muscle. We tried to figure it out the other day. They can win all the Olympics. Oh, the baby's smarter! You can't say one fucking word! I bet you they're cloning. We'll pull the article up.
Starting point is 03:58:22 I bet you they're cloning athletes. I bet you that in China they're probably saying, we want babies with crazy fast twitch muscle so we can win all the sprints. There's all that stuff. Oh, yeah, they would definitely do that. That national pride show. Especially in a communist country, we can force a kid to compete. No, it's too expensive.
Starting point is 03:58:39 Too expensive. Well, that might be the case here in America, though. That's one of the things that hampers us with our system, is that there's not a dictator that can just decide to do things for the greater good of the country and make sure that the corporations act in the greater good of the country. Just people behind the scenes that can. Listen, I don't think that's a good thing to do that.
Starting point is 03:58:56 I'm going to be real clear. But to be able to do that if you're running a country, that's a big advantage. It's a big advantage when it comes to competing in technology. Pollution. Also, they don't follow the law. Intellectual property, property they're like what the fuck is that we're gonna put a back door in all your routers that we sell you for cheap and we're gonna suck all your data out well i went to beijing and they said i go to beijing and i go this air is shitty and they go it's nothing compared to six months ago i go go, what do you mean? He goes, well, six months ago, the Communist Party said no open air fryers on the street.
Starting point is 03:59:28 They did that shit. And basically they're like, hey, can't do it anymore. Everybody was like, okay, immediately. And the air got 40% better. The air is still a fucking nightmare out there. It's like if America goes. So it's open air fryers are a big percentage of what it is? Oh, fuck.
Starting point is 03:59:40 They were terrible. And I don't know why, but that's what they said. Do you know that they use fuel? They sell fuel and oil and cooking oil that they get from the sewer? I believe it they take sewer water and they filter out the oils They boil sewer water and filter out the oils and then these underground people that they're not supposed to do this They sell it they sell this cooking oil to places and places cook with it. Oh my god. There's so many people in China, dude. You gotta see this. Pull up
Starting point is 04:00:09 sewer oil in China. Ari Shafir went over there and he was the first person to tell me about this. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, you gotta be careful where you eat. Because if you eat at a place that is using this sewer oil. How the fuck do you find out?
Starting point is 04:00:25 Is this shit water? It's called gutter oil. Gutter oil. Ugh. Have you seen the video? Pull up the video to show how they make it. Here it is. Watch this.
Starting point is 04:00:33 This is wild shit, dude. This lady opens a manhole cover to get at the sewer water. And she scoops. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I'm gagging. If you're fucking pulling.
Starting point is 04:00:44 Oh, God. I'm gagging just looking at this. And so then they take it and'm gagging just looking at this. Then they take it and then they cook it. And this guy's got a cigarette in his mouth. This is so wild, man. This is real shit. Look at that cigarette in his mouth. Hey, don't look at it! Stop looking at it! You'll throw up.
Starting point is 04:01:00 Jesus Christ, this is tough to watch. I can't do shit. There's a video of Bill Gates. Are we in simulation? There's a video of Bill Gates with the filter. They filter sewage water, and he drinks it. Boom. Bill Gates drinks it.
Starting point is 04:01:16 It's like some sewage filtration system, and they run sewage through it. And then at the end, it comes comes out water and Bill Gates drinks it. The thing is though that's like complex machinery and it actually can do that. What these people are doing is boiling shit on the street. It's insane. It's a difference.
Starting point is 04:01:34 They're like skimming the shit the oil off the top of the shit water. He's drinking it. That's the end of it. Boy, he didn't drink it. That was like when those Obama sips. Yeah, Obama in Detroit.
Starting point is 04:01:44 Can I get a glass of water? This is not even a stunt. I want a end of it. Boy, he didn't drink it. That was like when those Obama sips. Yeah, Obama in Detroit. Can I get a glass of water? This is not even a stunt. I want a glass of water. And he takes his fucking... This isn't even a stunt. He dips his tongue in it. Yeah, he's all... Trump had a weird way of sipping water.
Starting point is 04:01:55 It tastes great. Trump drank water weirdly, too. He'd be like, this is not a stunt. It's not a stunt. It's exactly what it was. Can I get a glass of water? If they can make sewage water drinkable, how hard is it to make sea water drinkable? Yeah, I've always said that.
Starting point is 04:02:09 That was that bit that I had about Mars. People are like, we're running out of water. I go, look at all the fucking water. Yeah. How crazy is that? It takes six hours to fly over it. I go, we don't have a water problem. We got a salt problem.
Starting point is 04:02:19 Yep. If you suck the salt out of the water, you got no problems. Yeah, exactly. There shouldn't be any talks about fucking droughts. Every 10 miles there should be a big tube coming out of the beach. No big deal. It's like a pier. And then there's
Starting point is 04:02:34 a little plant and they ship the water in. And they ship the salt out because everybody loves sea salt. Sea salt makes you feel like you're in touch with nature. They got straws, like emergency straws on rafts. The technology in the straw can make salt water drinkable. It should be easy.
Starting point is 04:02:50 Can I say something? There should be zero droughts ever. That's the number one problem in California. There should be zero. Oh, it's too expensive. Too expensive. You just need to see Bill Gates. This is a dangerous conspiracy.
Starting point is 04:02:59 We live next to the largest body of water. It's like right next to it. Oh, we're running out of water. Okay, so they do have some. It says in the U.S. more than 400, over 400 municipal desalination plants have been opened since 1971. And an estimated 200 or more are currently in operation, though the precise number is not known for certain. I think the problem is how much output they put out and whether or not it could keep up with the city No, we need water. It's a drought there shit every time I was a big tube just sucking what they should do is they super simple
Starting point is 04:03:31 Scale up the technology look at the size of a nuclear power plant, right? Yeah, you need more nuclear power Yeah, we need that actually also get rid of both of those together They should have what I was gonna say is you have that connected to desalination plant ramp it up to some super rid of almonds in a Californian. There's no fucking problem. And Abu Dhabi... Do you fight companion for governor? It's mainstream news that China and Abu Dhabi,
Starting point is 04:03:53 they create rain. Yeah. Like, why can't we just fucking do that? Oh, they do do that. They have a class called cloud seeding. They know how to do that. They know how forever. Why aren't they doing it?
Starting point is 04:04:01 This is what I'm impressed with. It's expensive, I think. I want to say... Here we go. It's too expensive. think. Here we go. It's too expensive. I want to say this. So this is fucking, just die in the heat. Wait, I have this to say.
Starting point is 04:04:13 What, dude? Of all the technology we're talking about, Joe Rogan has one of the biggest podcasts, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, and this is a very rudimentary room. You've kept it very simple. What do you mean? This is the best way to do it. Right? What do you mean? This is the best way to do it. Right? What do you mean?
Starting point is 04:04:26 This is the best way for me to do it. It's not a huge giant set with everything. It's kind of the way it always has been. Would you want to be like CNN? Yeah, it looks very Spartan. It's very Joe Rogan, though. This is how my brain works. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 04:04:38 This is my brain. Just a bunch of scattered shit. Yep. Most of it unrelated. That's my brain. You were that way when you were 27. I remember going to your bathroom. He had shit like never have made. Yep. Most of it unrelated. You were that way when you were 27. I remember going to your bathroom. He had shit like, never have made.
Starting point is 04:04:48 Never. I was like, I mean, his fucking bathroom just had shit everywhere. I was like, bro. He's like, ah, fuck it. I go, no, because it's clean. He goes, no, I don't like people in my house. I don't want anybody wandering around my house cleaning. It is weird. Who made that painting? Is that from the seller? Comedy seller? No, that is Taylor
Starting point is 04:05:03 Bose. Taylor Bose made me that. That's really good. Yeah, I love it. That's Mitzi Shore when she was young. It's from a photo. He's a bad motherfucker. He's the guy who did that Jimi Hendrix out there, too. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 04:05:12 I think so. The one where he did it while he was on acid. So one of the Jimi Hendrix hands is like you can see through it. That's cool. Wow. He wasn't the guy I met. Taylor is- Was he the guy I met at Salt Lake City?
Starting point is 04:05:23 No. Salt Lake? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was a guy that was always at the comedy store. Taylor is always around. I guarantee you've noticed him. He's great. He's an amazing artist.
Starting point is 04:05:33 He does stand-up, too. I've never seen him stand-up, but his art is fucking incredible. Really talented guy. Yeah, that's a great piece. You saw Greg Overton. That's the guy you met. He's the guy who does all those dope Native American bands. He's incredible. He only paints Native Americans? No, he paints a lot guy you met. He's the guy who does all those dope Native American paintings. He's incredible.
Starting point is 04:05:45 He only paints Native Americans? No, he paints a lot of different shit. He painted me a samurai. He's a samurai out there, too. He does just dope work, man. He's a really interesting guy, too. Artists are so interesting, man. People that just make shit with their brain, just sit in front of a fucking blank canvas
Starting point is 04:05:59 and just, hmm, what the fuck is cooking? And they're always trying to figure out some ways to inspire their creativity, it's running or yoga or something just give me a fucking vision give me a thing yeah i could lay down and start painting i think picasso was talking about there was like something about him talking about how he was trying to capture with oil paint the expression of this woman's eye like he saw some woman and it was like he obsessed over this notion. Like these specifics where you're like, damn, dude. Savage. Yeah.
Starting point is 04:06:31 And also trying to capture it in a way that it doesn't even look like it. Right? Like oftentimes an artist will capture something and they give a representation. It's not identical to the thing, but it captures the essence of the thing somehow. How about Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel and they say went blind he was on his back
Starting point is 04:06:53 and no the fucking paint kept getting in his eyes. Yeah, ruined his vision and he said like he was sleeping four hours a day, he had ribs just you could see, he just, he said I have to put everything I have into that that's just dean chapel is fucking it's amazing astonishing the nut the number one thing that blew me away was saint peter's basilica oh forget it what's that forget it's this church that's so big that it defies your imagination let me get some of that
Starting point is 04:07:18 it's a wonder it's a probably need some more it's a fucking one can we uh get some more coffee it's a wonder man it's something sure some more coffee? It's a wonder, man. It's something that doesn't even make sense. Like, how long did this take? I've never been over there. I need to go over there. Oh, dude. The Vatican itself is a mind-blower. You can spend all day there. You can spend actually a week
Starting point is 04:07:37 there, for real. A week, just looking. My plan is to take my pops over there and my brother next year. And we're going to go to the Ferrari. Oh, go see how they make the sausage'm gonna pick up my car oh shit it was gonna be a surprise but there you go dad wow that's cool wow go to the factory because i'm just sucking a goat yeah you can drive your car on the track there yeah wow on the ferrari track holy shit that's amazing test drive yours too if you want rome is a wild ass fucking place man if you if you go there i got this photo an american girl in rome you ever seen that photo yeah we're out here no i got it it's uh it's at
Starting point is 04:08:19 my house it's great jamie pull up an american girl in rome great photo i had it in my uh i used to have you've seen it eddie i used to have it in my theater room. American Girl in Rome photo. There's this American girl, and she's walking through Rome, and I think it was like 1950-something, right? I think it might be staged, bub. Really? I think so.
Starting point is 04:08:36 Oh, Jamie, you son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. I don't want to say that. You feel for sure, Jamie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to say that. God damn it. It's a good picture, though.
Starting point is 04:08:45 But this is, this photograph, this poor lady is walking by and this guy's grabbing his hog. This guy's just cat calling her. The real story. Oh, no. But those guys are real. When I was with my kids in a fucking cab, this guy stopped the car. The guys on there say, no, that's the real McCoy. That's real.
Starting point is 04:09:03 It may not be. That's very, very possible. They said they're actually sexually harassing her. Orkin had just wrapped up a shoot in Israel for Life magazine. The two met at the American Express office. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da. The women reveled in meeting each other. Okay, cut to the chase.
Starting point is 04:09:18 A dollar a night. The shoot took about two hours. The pair went their separate ways. Two hit the streets of Florence the next morning. The shot of Craig passing by the men was one of the orchid snaps. She followed it up with another shot from a different angle before. The two continued to capture familiar scenes. So it seems to me like they staged it in that she was walking by those men.
Starting point is 04:09:42 But were those men in on it? No, they behaved the way they would behave. That's what they're saying. That guy said it was real. It's tough to be an American woman in Italy. I don't know about that. It says money, men, and morals to see through a gay trip and a safe one. Remember when gay stood for a good time? You don't think the guy taking the picture is attracting attention?
Starting point is 04:10:02 The camera, there's a camera, and the guys. Maybe the guys were legit, but of course they're all going to look at the girl if a camera is following her. I would say a young woman walking alone dealt with that in Italy. That picture's real cockfest though. And they're saying it was a shoot. So that sounds like it was staged. If there was a shoot?
Starting point is 04:10:20 Well, no, it was definitely staged and that she was walking by those men. But did those men act that way? Because that's how they always acted. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if the guys were in on it. I don't think they were. I think all they had to do was walk by. I think it was a woman and another woman.
Starting point is 04:10:31 And the woman was a photographer. And she was taking photos of this lady just walking by these guys because that's how they would always behave. She was an amazing woman. So it's a setup in that they wanted this to happen. And she walked by those guys. That's what they were looking for. Joe's so convinced of that. They knew.
Starting point is 04:10:44 No, no, no, no, no, no. I think you're right. You know, what I'm saying is they knew that that's how the men would behave. I think you're right. They weren't staged. Yes. Yes. I think it's staged in the fact that they had her walk by these men.
Starting point is 04:10:54 They assumed they were going to do that. Most women, when they see these fucking guys hanging out, fucking guy, fucking Tony. What if they didn't get the shot they wanted? You think they'd do it again? Go, we'll do it again. Hey, guys, can you look at that? I bet they took a bunch of pictures. Can you guys look at her?
Starting point is 04:11:06 They probably did it a bunch of times. You know what I mean? That's a sweet picture, though. They probably did it a bunch of times. A real director would talk to these guys, say, dude, just check out this hot chick. She likes you. She likes you.
Starting point is 04:11:17 She wants you, dude. Look at this quote. Public admiration shouldn't fluster you. Ogling the ladies is a popular, harmless, and flattering pastime you'll run into in many countries. Unless you're a lady. The gentlemen are usually louder and more demonstrative than American men, but they mean no harm.
Starting point is 04:11:33 How the fuck do you know they mean no harm? She's clearly not from today's world. Go through the Congo and try that out. What are you talking about they mean no harm? Go through some parts of Russia. Go through Manhattan. Go through Afghanistan. Go through Manhattan. Yeah. Late at night yeah that's a dude writing a guy yeah what was the purpose of that article whoever wrote
Starting point is 04:11:51 that statement that's a crazy statement one time to say that you can go to another country and the men ogling you don't know what one time patty jenkins when we were dating a long time ago she was in new york city she was 23 she was walking down the street. I was going to meet her, and I see a guy go like that. And then that guy goes, hey, hey. So I'm like, I'm going to fucking kill these guys. So she sees me walking towards the guy. She goes, hey, hey, hey.
Starting point is 04:12:15 What are you doing? I go, what the fuck are these guys? She goes, well, hold on. Do you think that's not an every minute occurrence? She goes, hold on. Follow me. Watch this. I followed her down the street. Like,, hold on, follow me. Watch this. I followed her down the street.
Starting point is 04:12:27 Like I was like, I don't know, whatever it was, 20 feet behind her. Dude, when a young woman walks down the street, at least in 1991, whenever this was, it was out of control. Everybody said something. Every construction worker, every cab driver, everybody goes, hey, baby.
Starting point is 04:12:42 My thing is, though, those guys catcalling, it must work once in a while. Why do they keep doing it, though? Some girls drive by to let guys know they're not gay. Exactly. There you go. Exactly. That's 80% of it.
Starting point is 04:12:53 100%. What about driving past a girl walking and you honk at her? Is that bad? It's to prove that you're not fucking. Hold on. Although the photograph appears to be a street scene caught on the fly instance of what Harry Cartier Bresson called the decisive moment. It was actually staged
Starting point is 04:13:10 for the camera by Orkin and her model. But staged from the photographer and the model not the guys. She's sticking to the story. Probably staged. When they're saying staged, do they mean she staged it? Like she knew she was going to take the photo, so walk by those men?
Starting point is 04:13:26 That's what I think. Look at this. Hold on. All those men, all those fellows were positioned perfectly. There was no distracting sound. The background was harmonious. And the intersection was not dramatic. Those guys aren't plants.
Starting point is 04:13:36 They weren't there. They were there. Which allowed me to stand in the middle of it for a moment. Yes. It's a real pic. There you go. It's a real picture. There you go. It's a real picture. So it seems like a real picture, but staged in the way that they made that girl walk by those apes.
Starting point is 04:13:50 Yes. Have you been there? Dudes of 1951, Italian men. Dude, the odds of her getting that picture, that perfect ass picture, just odds. But if you dig a bunch of them and you have her walk by these guys, you keep taking these. You could do that back in 51. Have you been to Athens? I did that.
Starting point is 04:14:09 No, I've never been to Athens. Oh, it's fucking, like, it's great. What's the matter, Jamie? You have to rewind the film. You have to go. Oh, back then in 51 you did? They didn't have digital cameras. Oh, so how long did it take for each photo?
Starting point is 04:14:18 Thank you. How long did it take for each photo? Depends on the camera. But when did they have a camera you could take repeated photos? When was the first one? 87? Oh, wow. So back then they would do like one photo and then they had to
Starting point is 04:14:32 like, what? Relaunch it? You have to rewind. It doesn't take 10 to 20 seconds. How many times? Could they do that back then? Depends on the camera. In 51 could they do that? Or was no? Sure. So she could conceivably get a couple of shots. Maybe like three or four. You get the shot though, but it seems like she was saying she did it a bunch of times Yes, I think that's a real photo
Starting point is 04:14:51 Those guys are real and they just decided what I was gonna say is that when I was in Rome We were in cabs and the fucking cabs would stop in the middle of an intersection to look at a girl's ass And I'm not They were animals real quick is that frowned upon in here or I don't
Starting point is 04:15:08 is that bad should we not do that it's rough be nice okay be nice Athens was fucking like had a night life
Starting point is 04:15:17 like that but it wasn't like that it was just like it was an amazing night life what I was gonna get to is those are the people that are left over from Rome yeah
Starting point is 04:15:24 I mean you gotta think about that. Yeah. Like that, the same bloodline is in that area. Yeah. Fucking people that were in the Colosseum, the people that like dominated the Western hemisphere, the people that were in control of like the military of the world that never seen before. The ranch.
Starting point is 04:15:39 They were running it from that spot. What's crazy is that those are the same people. It's just many, many, many, many generations, but how much of those same people their genetics remain? The bloodline. But also, you know the call seemed like the fighters, the way they promote it now is those guys would die all the time and it was life
Starting point is 04:15:55 and death. Not at all. That's a myth. There's multiple times those guys were like UFC fighters. They had them fight tigers. Not all the time. It was very rare they said. And they wouldn't die. What? Yeah, they said it was like UFC careers. Some guys are the same guy all the time.
Starting point is 04:16:10 Yeah, wow. They say it makes it look like they did it once and would end up dying, but guys had careers. So how often did people die? That's what they're saying, not often. Like once a week? I don't know. No?
Starting point is 04:16:20 But it wasn't as often as you think, yeah. Less than once a week? Yeah, they said it made it seem like they just would compete and die. A lot of it was theatrics. A lot of it was controlled sparring, all that stuff. Oh. But what about like Gladiator, when they tried to make it seem like they made everybody a slave and you had to fight to the death? There probably were those things. But remember that Rome, ancient Rome, the aristocracy was steeped in Greek philosophy.
Starting point is 04:16:44 So it would be really weird to sanction that. It was way more. They're saying there's actually veterans. There was a Donald Cerrone back then who did 40 fucking fights. You know, I've been reading Marcus Aurelius' Meditations. Wow. You're talking about one of the great books of all time. This guy was 2,000 years ago.
Starting point is 04:17:01 And he was the most powerful man in the world. And he was so brilliant. And so the way his philosophy on things, like, about forgiving people, like, so unexpected. Yes. Like, so much of what he was saying. Well, we're still talking about it. Yeah. All this time.
Starting point is 04:17:14 It's still such a relevant book. Dude, it's so good. It's so good. Brilliant. I listened to it in the sauna. Yeah. It's really intense because you're thinking, these are the writings, the direct writings that we have from a guy who lived 2,000 years ago and was running Rome. That's insane.
Starting point is 04:17:29 More than 2,000 years ago, wasn't it? I think he was. It was close. It's in the neighborhood. But, you know, he's talking about a man who was the most powerful man in the world and was preaching self-control. The most powerful and probably the smartest man, right? Self-control. The most powerful, probably the smartest man, right?
Starting point is 04:17:42 Self-control. Self-control. I looked this up. The translations are all different because it wasn't found or mentioned until like way after he was alive. Right. But what year did he write it? That's the thing. I mean, it's-
Starting point is 04:17:54 What year was he alive? 121 to 180. There you go. So somewhere between that range. So somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000 years. A hot second ago. 2,000 rather years. 2,000 years ago.
Starting point is 04:18:03 Think about that. That's crazy. We're still talking. Just dropping knowledge. But it's so applicable to the way you think. It's so applicable and so beneficial if you can adopt a lot of his thought process. And not a long book.
Starting point is 04:18:15 There's no mention of meditations until the early 10th century. Whoa. The historian Herodian writing in the mid-third century makes mentions of Marcus's literary legacy, saying that he was concerned with all aspects of excellence. And in his love of ancient literature, he was second to no man, Roman or Greek. This is evident from all of his sayings and writings, which have come down to us, a passage which may refer to meditation. So that was like one of the first times
Starting point is 04:18:47 anybody referred to the book. Handsome bastard or what? What are we talking about here? We have no idea. They would just draw pictures of him. There's no drawings of him? Imagine the balls on someone to go travel to somewhere
Starting point is 04:18:56 after a guy drew it for you. Yeah. It would look like over the other side of the ocean. Bro, let me show you what a palm tree looks like. Did John Jock tell you about that movie they're making about Maeda, the guy who taught the Gracie's Jiu-Jitsu?
Starting point is 04:19:10 Oh, wow. His story? The guy who taught the Gracie's... Jean-Jacques is a consultant. Oh, that's amazing. And then it's going to go into Hickson. That's part two is Hickson. Oh, that's cool.
Starting point is 04:19:20 Part one is Maeda, which was, man, I didn't know. He was a Japanese? I didn't know that much about him. But Jean-Jacques telling me, man, I didn't know. He was a Japanese? I didn't know that much about him. But John Jock's telling me, yeah, I didn't know that much about him. Netflix is making a BJJ origin film. Oh, but it's pretty much a dumpster fire.
Starting point is 04:19:35 Oh, no. I'm just telling Netflix. That's somebody else's opinion on it. No, you know what? You know what? It's about a dumpster fire. What a great way to describe it. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 04:19:48 Apparently, Maeda would go all over the world, and he would challenge people in circuses. That's where you fought. Dude, he was having MMA fights all over the world. He was famous. Wow. And this was what Jean-Jacques told me. He told me someone, like, I think Kano was his master and apparently something like he wasn't
Starting point is 04:20:08 they didn't want him to take these fights in these circuses and stuff anymore so he took a fight in Mexico and he wore a mask so he wouldn't get busted and he was the one who started the mask wearing in pro wrestling Maeda started it
Starting point is 04:20:24 what do they call it? That's what John Johnson. Nacho Libre. Yeah. All that Nacho Libre. You know, some people. Oh, my God. That makes sense.
Starting point is 04:20:31 Oh, shit. The fucking Narcos director. Wow. Yeah. Jose Padilla tackling Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu movie Dead or Alive for Netflix. Wow. Wear that beanie, bro. Wow.
Starting point is 04:20:42 Yeah, Maeda. Some people. The guy who taught the Gracies Jiu-Jitsu. Think about that guy. He's responsible for the Mexican Lucho Libre masks. Yeah, and he fought all over the world. He fucked people up all over the world. Think about people like that who go and look for fights. There are some
Starting point is 04:20:56 people that only... In the late 1800s. They express themselves in that. Or early 1900s. Some people are like, that's how they feel the most alive. Those people are like, that's how they feel the most alive. Those people are amazing. Well, they want to challenge themselves. I watched the Alpinists yesterday. Robert Duran was one of those guys.
Starting point is 04:21:10 Have you seen the Alpinists? Yes. Which one's that? Which is this crazy documentary of this guy who was one of the best free climbers ever. Come on. He was a young kid, and free climbing got too easy for him, so he started ice climbing. So he's ice climbing. Ice climbing got too easy, so he started ice climbing. So he's ice climbing. Ice climbing got too easy, so he started ice climbing in the winter.
Starting point is 04:21:27 So he did Patagonia in the winter, and they got to the top, and on the way down, spoiler alert, they die. Do you know what that is, though? Does Sean die? This guy was ice climbing by himself to the top of these peaks, and he would camp out up there, and he would, like, make himself, like, a little bivy sack and tie himself into a crease and sleep up there
Starting point is 04:21:48 and then get up in the morning and start all over again. This is wild. Is this already out? Yeah, it's on Netflix. What's it called? But he's an addict. It was like, if he wasn't doing that, he did become a junkie, actually.
Starting point is 04:22:01 No, he was a junkie before that. Joe, you already saw it? It's awesome? I watched it last night. It's one episode? One episode. It's a documentary. It's unbelievable. But he's also the kind of extreme personality that would have destroyed himself, I think. But he found this?
Starting point is 04:22:15 Yeah. Spoiler alert. He was the kind of person that if he wasn't doing that, he was going to do drugs until he died. He was going to do something extreme. Does that document you do running with the devil? Brian, maybe he finds another thing and he can dedicate himself like he did to climbing. I don't think so, Bob. I don't know if that's true.
Starting point is 04:22:29 You know why I don't think so? Why? Because you have to know, no matter what, when you're taking those kind of risks. When Alex Humboldt goes, oh, that guy's crazy, you're crazy. What if he finds jujitsu? What if he gets into that? What if he excels at that?
Starting point is 04:22:45 I don't think it'd be enough. I think he needed the extreme. I think he needed the edge. Jesus, that's so crazy. I'm sorry to say it, but some people need the edge. That guy was like a thousand plus feet up climbing on these hanging icicles. And he was going to die. He's going up.
Starting point is 04:22:58 I mean, these things aren't even attached to the fucking wall. It's a matter of when. The cliff walls like this, there's a gap between them. And he he's climbing these things and it's so hard to watch man every bone because there's nothing holding him on there there's nothing holding him on the fuck's filming I don't know he was drones I don't know if they using people with ropes no because there's something filming him from the outside I don't know how they're doing it he ended up like if you watch it well you watch it you say to yourself,
Starting point is 04:23:25 it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And I think that when you see that, and you all know that it's a matter... Because I knew, I watched it, I go, oh, this is only going to end one way. It's still worth watching, man. It's not even a spoiler alert. Even though he passed away.
Starting point is 04:23:37 Those guys are so special. It's a different kind of human that can risk their life like that all the time. Yeah. Those guys do that all the time, and they live for it. I don't think they have a choice sometimes i think they just that that it's almost like feel alive i've had alex hondled in here a few times he's a great guy he's so nice he's so normal and mellow yeah and you know and he's just climbing these sheer cliff faces
Starting point is 04:24:02 with a bag of chalk is he still doing doing it? Yeah, man. Did you read Tim Kennedy's book? Fucking Tim, Tim, I say to Tim, I go, I say to Tim, I go, listen,
Starting point is 04:24:11 let's, we do this thing, we shoot this thing and I go, for the next episode, I want to come and shoot hogs with you from, so he goes,
Starting point is 04:24:19 yeah. I go, we'll shoot from helicopters, we'll do night, he's like, we'll do scoping, we'll scope midnight, shooting helicopters, we'll hunt, I go, that's great, and he We'll do night. He's like, we'll do scope and we'll scope midnight. Shooting helicopters.
Starting point is 04:24:25 We'll hunt. I go, that's great. And he goes, and then, so that's cool. And he goes like this. He goes, you know what else we'll do? I go, what? He goes, you know how he gets that face? He goes, we'll get on the helicopter and from the skids, we'll jump from the skids onto
Starting point is 04:24:42 the hog's back and kill it with a hatchet. And I go, well, Tim, that's a little extreme, yeah? That's Tim, though. I'm an actor, and that doesn't make sense. I'm not doing that because that's terrifying. And he goes, okay, then you can use a spear, but it's so cool. And I went, well, this is why you're Tim Kennedy.
Starting point is 04:25:06 And he's done that already? I'm sure. Yes, that would be the answer. He needs to up the ante. Like you're talking about some people just have a different, do you read his book? I haven't read it yet. Oh, so he just decides, he goes, you know,
Starting point is 04:25:18 I've gotten these two women pregnant. I'm about to get married and I've gotten two other women pregnant. I'm 23. I got kicked out of the police department. Thought he had AIDS. Thought he had AIDS, kicked out of the police department. Thought he had AIDS. Thought he had AIDS, kicked out of the police department and the fire department. He goes,
Starting point is 04:25:29 so I'm probably going to die anyway. And I have these two kids. I have nothing to offer them. So he gets into Morro Bay at Oh, four 30 in the morning. And there's fog like up to the ceiling. Right now. I don't know if you know much about Morro Bay,
Starting point is 04:25:42 but it's where all the great whites are. It's where they all hang out. They're all the giant ones. And he goes, I'm going to swim to sea. And it wasn't like he was suicidal. He's like, let's just see what happens. So Tim just gets into Morro Bay at 430, gets completely naked, and just swims out to sea. South Africa.
Starting point is 04:26:03 No, this is in... This is in... NorCal. NorCal, where all the great whites are. It's where they hang out. I mean, swimmers get... I mean, surfers get fucked up all the time. There's that spot in South Africa where they all hang out, too,
Starting point is 04:26:14 but they jump. Yeah. So he just starts swimming. Doosh, doosh. And he can't see where he is because, well, there's just fog everywhere. He gets lost, right? So forget sharks.
Starting point is 04:26:24 There's also boats and shit, but he's like, ah, fuck. And fog everywhere. He gets lost, right? So forget sharks. There's also boats and shit, but he's like, ah, fuck. And he's a crazy strong swimmer, of course. So he's just... And he gets to a point where he starts to not be able to feel his arms or his legs. Because the water's so cold.
Starting point is 04:26:36 Yeah. And it's been like, I don't know, an hour and a half. And he's out in the middle of the sea. And he turns around and he goes, I don't know where shore is because the fog is too heavy. So I don't really know where I am. So even if I start swimming back, I'm probably not swimming back.
Starting point is 04:26:54 And at this point, it dawns on him, he's like, I don't know if this was a suicide mission. I'm not even sure what I'm doing out here. Sounds like it. Yeah. So he can't really feel anything. Out of nowhere, this fucking the coast guard and a woman had been up there meditating or something and just saw him swimming she goes this doesn't look right because she saw him he just kept going so she
Starting point is 04:27:17 fucking called the coast guard the coast guard spent an hour looking for him oh jesus christ and i remember he told me that story yeah and the fucking Coast Guard guy looks at him and goes, what are you doing? Tim goes, I'm swimming. And the guy goes, yeah, I can see that. You want us to leave you out of here in the drink? Tim goes, I don't know. And so Tim starts fucking rattling off the whole reason he's out there.
Starting point is 04:27:39 And so the fucking Coast Guard salty dog just looks at him and goes, that's cool. So I'm going to ask you again, you want to get on the boat or you want us to leave you here? I'm not sure what you want us to do, but we just spent an hour looking for you. And he goes, I don't know. And he goes, and he looks down and he goes, that is the smallest dick I've ever seen.
Starting point is 04:27:58 And Tim said it made him so enraged. He got so fucking enraged. He's like, and he couldn't,'t he still couldn't his arms wouldn't work and then they started kind of laughing at him and he fucking finally pulls himself over falls over they give him like a nylon poncho he said even for him it was so rough and they just kind of wrap it around his fucking shoulders and take him in and he goes and the captain goes don't make me have to do this shit again you You got me? Oh, my God. That's hilarious. No counseling.
Starting point is 04:28:26 No nothing. Fuck off. We'll take you back. You're lucky this time. Wow. He's a hardcore motherfucker. That's a great fuck. I read a lot.
Starting point is 04:28:34 That's a great fucking book. It's a good book. And he wrote it with another dude. It's Scars and Stripes, right? Yeah. It's a great fucking book. All right. Should we end on that?
Starting point is 04:28:42 We've gone four hours. Four and a half hours. This was awesome. This was fucking awesome. I'm in Appleton, Wisconsin next week. I'm in Raleigh. New club in Appleton, Wisconsin next Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And then after that, I'm in Ontario.
Starting point is 04:28:57 Then I end the tour in September in Boston. Left Boston. Come see me in Raleigh. Good nights. And then I'm in San Jose Improv. September 15, 16, 17. Give out your website because no one's going to read it. O'BrienCallan.com.
Starting point is 04:29:10 TFatK.com. Yep. Best of with Brian Callan on YouTube, my TV show. How much Tim Foyle, how have you been doing? You guys have been touring a lot? Usually once a month. One weekend a month I do comedy. I can't do four.
Starting point is 04:29:22 But you're with me with Tripoli at the Comedy Store on Wednesday Wednesday right yeah next Wednesday we're doing the comedy store the boys at the comedy store my my podcast look into it is on rockfin the first eight episodes are free but it's like behind a paywall sorry about that trying to pay the rent and shit but I talk all sorts of shit there oh damn rockfin is uh is a great platform, and I talk all kind of mad shit. They don't suppress you. That's what Conspiracy is on, Conspiracy Social. Oh, yeah. It's a good app.
Starting point is 04:29:50 Exactly, right? Fuck yeah. Okay. I love it. Thank you. We love you guys. Thank you, everybody. I love you guys.
Starting point is 04:29:56 Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you.

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