The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #103 with Max Holloway

Episode Date: February 27, 2021

Joe is joined by former UFC Featherweight Champion Max Holloway.

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day and we're rolling with the blessed express what's up my man good to see you my friend seeing you how's things things are good you know I just how's things with you I heard like pipes are busting and heat and yeah It's pretty it was pretty wild out here a week ago, and then it was 82 days ago Doesn't make any sense as a week ago. It was frozen solid and then a week later 80 degrees and Mother Nature sees he's cruel at something. Yeah, but well, Texas gets weather You know, it's very different than California. California never rains.

And basically, like, once a year you get a little bit of rain and that's it. Here you get thunderstorms and you get lightning and, you know, and it gets cold as fuck sometimes. But this was real unusual. Yeah. Like once every 120 years or so. I know. I know.

I was tripping out. I was like, when I saw everything happening and then my agent, because last week we were supposed to come through. And he said, it's getting pushed back. It's getting pushed back. And I was like, I look at the weather shit. I was like, Texas don't ever get this kind of weather. What the hell is going on?

I thought I was wrong. I was like, do I not follow up with the weather in Texas? Dude, it was crazy. The roads, first of all, it was 32 degrees and raining. So it's just at the time where it freezes, but not quite. It didn't quite freeze. And then it got really cold at night. So all the roads were covered in ice everywhere.

The black ice. I saw that one that got 100, like I had a 100 car pile up somewhere over here. Yeah, I think that was near Dallas, right? That's crazy. Yeah, so then snow laid on top of the ice and made it even slipperier it was crazy like no one could get anywhere it was wild so we uh just went to the supermarket got food and hunkered down the family we got lucky our power didn't go out but a lot of our friends power went out and so we just we just hung out in the house for seven days and just

chilled i know the hotel that i was at when i first came in, I was just tripping out because, like, I came from L.A. and Hawaii. It's like we got locked down and stuff. And then I come walking in. It's like, what was it, 12 o'clock. I got into the hotel last night. And people were just raging. They were just partying downstairs at the local bar. I was like, what?

I was like, is this real life, you know? And then I talked to the guy at the front desk. And like what i was like is this real life you know and then uh and then i talked to the guy at the front desk and then he was talking to me about the weather and i was like yeah crazy i was like yeah we was we was full pack he was like we was so crazy we have generators and stuff so we still had hot water and uh electricity and all stuff and then it came to a point where we only allowed people who was staying in the hotel buy food from us because like and you only could like order two stuff was like they was telling me crazy stuff about that yeah we had friends that their their house went out so they got a room with the four seasons and they said

it was two hours for for room service and four seasons is usually the best ever yeah exactly that's crazy i know and even like with the rain and stuff, off we was talking about that mushroom stuff. So it was just funny stories. Yeah, they get weather here, but I've never experienced it like that here. I've been coming here since 1999. And apparently all my friends who've lived here their whole lives,

they've never seen anything like it. It was just random that it happened the first year I moved here. I mean, maybe you bring the thunder. Maybe you're like, Texas, get ready. this is what the hell i'm bringing here listen as long as they get ready for it you know i grew up in the cold i grew up in massachusetts so you know as long as they have plows and they they have salt and they know how to handle it you could you could have snow yeah you was just so this is joe it's a day of joe and this happens like if i can simmer down everybody get ready.

Let's just go down. Well, I have a truck that's built for this shit, too. I have a Land Cruiser. Oh, yeah. A 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser. Like an apocalypse vehicle. Yeah. With a 40-gallon gas tank and big tires.

And I talk about the two-football field bunker underneath your house wherever you live, right? I need to get that. That's probably my next move. I need to get a ranch and some sort of sustainable environment. It just seems like the more shit gets weird in the world, whether it's COVID or this or whatever could be next, you got to have enough food and water so you can stay alive for a while. Yeah, they said that.

What is that show? There's a show on TV, right? Disaster people, whatever. Preppers. Yeah, yeah. Apocalypse people. they said that what was that what is that show there's a show on tv right uh disaster people whatever the people preppers yeah yeah apocalypse people like that yeah doomsday preppers yeah that's what they call it and like what they had they have like they say it's like i think so the minimum is to have like one and a half to two years worth so you know you're i'm like what that's so crazy well they have that dried i have some dried food for like hunting, like backpacking food. Like, you know, like it's freeze dried or dehydrated.

I have some of that stuff that's in my house too. So if worse came to worse, we could eat that for a few months. Yeah, you'd be all right. You know what I mean? I mean, you'd be all right. You're like a caveman. You're like a modern day caveman that came from the moon or something. So you'd be fine, Joe.

I watch all the stuff you be doing. You'd be all right. Well, there's a lot of deer in my neighborhood too i got my eye on those motherfuckers like right now they're just like cute deer but if shit gets ugly they're food yeah yo bambi get over here there's a lot of them though they're all over the place you might be helping you might be helping it out you know they might be investive a lot of them froze to death oh for real yeah a lot of them froze to death my friend has uh a buddy who owns a ranch in south texas and they have this animal on there called a neil guy yeah neil guy is an asian animal i think it's from india it's a huge antelope like the size of an elk

oh nice they found 63 of them frozen to death on his uh ranch So far. They're still finding him. I know. Before you came, I was talking to a security guard and the other boy out there. And I was telling him I saw a possum. I saw a video. There's a video that goes viral of a possum climbing up the fence. And he froze in Texas somewhere. It froze on the fence.

And I was like, holy shit. That's how cold it gets. People don't understand that this possum and then we was talking about does the possum live after it's unfrozen because they know how to play you know i don't think is this it there it is there it is oh shit that's crazy with like he's frozen in the middle of climbing the fence covered in icicles yeah it looks like he got his leg stuck. You see that? Look at his right leg.

See how it's poked through? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he might have got his leg stuck, and then it was too cold to figure out a way to get out of it. Wow, that's dark. How crazy, though. But does it just, you know, like, they like playing dead, don't they? Uh-uh. No, not at all?

No, no. No, he's dead. No. They like playing dead, don't they? Uh-uh. No, not at all. No, no. No, he's dead. He's telling us that there's a study going around with scorpions.

They can be frozen, and then a week later, you unfreeze them, and they're alive. That's the thing with frogs, too, right? Didn't someone on the podcast explain that to us in the past about certain frogs? They freeze to death, and they thaw out, and they're still alive? I mean, yeah. It could have been David Blaine when he was talking about them in his stomach. But in Florida, all the lizards freeze and fall out of trees and they come back to life. Do they?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, in Florida, you got to be careful because when it gets cold, iguanas will knock you out. Yeah, it's like coconut. It's like coconut. Every time I'm at the beach, every time I'm at the beach with my boys and stuff, and we go by where the lifeguards are. There's coconut trees, and I start sitting down.

And then one of them said to me, Max, get the hell away from there. I don't want to be the guy like, oh, he was hanging out with you when he got hit in the head with a coconut. Do you know 150 people die every year from coconuts? No. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, 150 people worldwide. How much people die from iguanas?

I don't think a lot. How long do you think a frog can last frozen? Because it's a lot longer than a week. Really? What? Really? Frozen solid? We should get a frozen frog in here and do an experiment.

It's called a wood frog, if that helps. I'm going to say three months max i'm gonna go and much longer than a week he said i'm gonna go maybe maybe eight months seven months seven months frozen salad it says alaska they go down to as low as zero degrees free they're frozen and then when spring arrives they thaw out and hop away jesus away animals is weird bro nature finds a way man yeah you got you gotta adapt they've been like frogs been frogs probably some dinosaurs they've been around a long time yeah so they you know they're like oh fuck these guys you know even like cockroaches have you ever seen those things called tardigrades do you know what a tardigrade is i have no idea it's this tiny little it they would they call them something bears too right some it's a tiny little microscopic animal that

looks like an alien and they can survive in space they can survive anywhere so these things they could literally they could go to the moon if they were attached to a rocket water bear yeah you go and you see what they see show max a photo but they can survive in space my god are you serious they look like they're from space they do look at that picture like they're like that doesn't even look real like if that was in a dune movie and it was chasing people like look at its mouth it's like that looks like that looks like the uh in avengers yeah you know you know when they came down and the thing was flying the ship? That's what it looks like. That's exactly what it looks like.

Look at that fucking thing. That's a real creature. How big is it? It's very, very small. I don't even think you could see it. Oh my god. It's microscopic, right? Correct. Yeah. But they can survive in space. How'd they find out that they survived in space? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. 0.5 millimeters. 0.5 millimeters. So a half a millimeter. So you kind of can see it. You just barely. Yeah, but you don't see how crazy looking they are. How does a tardigrade survive in space?

Because that was the thought that they could, like, hitch a ride on an asteroid or on, you know, they could hitch a ride on a... No, that's how they came here. Probably. They went to the moon. went they saw neil armstrong's damn shoe so i'm going with this i'm out of here this is boring what the hell is this and hit you right on his foot yeah and then they're just like sending information back up they're like yeah these motherfuckers are stupid you know that's one of the theories of how life came to earth is it's called panspermia they think that life came to earth on an asteroid

and that asteroids contained the building blocks like amino acids and stuff the building blocks of life came from other planets and landed here and then the process of life began that that's insane i mean it's a wild theory i mean what do you believe you know whatever you believe? I don't know. It's whatever you believe. So I don't know. It's pretty cool. Well, you live in Hawaii, which is a really interesting place, right? Because there's a lot of non-native animals that have been introduced to Hawaii. Yeah, yeah.

Like pigs and a lot of weird birds and a lot of weird rodents and plants and all kinds of shit. We got a weird thing that we think is a wallaby. You guys have wallabies now? Yeah. How crazy is that, right? From Australia? You don't see them, but they're little kangaroos, right? They're little kangaroos.

Yeah. We have wallabies on our... It's like, how the fuck did you get here? But they're not crazy. They're not like you're out and you see it. They're very mysterious. They pop up here and there when people are hiking in the mountains. Yeah.

But it's like a wallaby, bro. How the hell did... Wow. I don't know how they traveled there. they i mean australias and surfing and whatever just jump out i'm out of here i think probably somebody had it as a pet if i had a guess i'm sure i'm sure you hear of a bunch of illegal pets that people have in hawaii it's just mind-blowing you know i'm like what the like i i heard stories of people having like um gorillas and shit what i'm like what how the hell do you have this i don't know if people bullshit i never saw

them people could be bullshitting but i'm like i'm not gonna put it past that i saw more crazier stuff well it seems like they would survive in the jungle if they could get out there yeah i mean they just eat plants there's so much greenery in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Depends on what island, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What island did they see a gorilla? They were saying the island we live on.

On a wild one? Yeah. So I was like, it wasn't a wild one. It was like a pet. Oh. A pet person. Somebody kicked him with pets. I might be snitching on someone.

Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I think they're trying to limit people's ability to own primates in America. Because, you know, I'm sure you heard about that story about the lady in Connecticut who kept a pet chimpanzee and then attacked her friend and tore her face off. No, I did not. Yeah. It's a crazy story because this lady kind of had a relationship with this chimp. Wait, wait, wait. What kind of relationship are we talking about?

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, she was sleeping in the bed with this chimp wait wait wait what kind of relationship yeah that's what i'm talking about that's what i'm talking about yeah she was sleeping in the bed with this chimp the chimp drank wine and and and took xanax she's feeding the chimp xanax and uh the lady's friend came over and the chimp attacked the lady's friend is it a guy no woman friend i think the lady was probably cock blocking and the chimp was like, fuck all this. And just tore her apart. I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but that's wild. It's horrible.

That's wild. It was a big chimp too. They're smart. Like, what don't you... Chimps, man. Like, they say we evolution from those guys. And they're like... I know some...

Like, you see what the scientists are doing with these chimps or gorillas or whatever they do, you know. And like, these guys are smart. You can talk to them. They talk back. Some of them know sign language. It's like, why are you trying to mess with that? Have you not seen Planet of the Apes? I'm sure there are like three movies on it.

Like, come on, guys. Let's relax. They could. It's like someone in the future could do something like that. Like take a chimp and genetically engineer it to make it almost as smart as a person or as smart as a person. I wouldn't be surprised if someone's already doing it. There it is. He's eating her. Shoot him.

Scream the chimp's owner. Yeah. Yeah, he was a huge chimp. And he tore her face apart. I think he bit her fingers off. Did that woman survive? Yeah. She was torn apart yeah oh you don't show me the pictures of the lady yeah I have seen them they're awful they're terrible yeah because chimps chimps are

different than other animals that they know what you like they know that you need your hands and they know that you like your balls they know that you need your feet those are one of the things that they attack. They attack your face. They tear your face apart. They pull your eyes out. They bite your fingers off. They tear your dick off, and they tear your feet off.

I know. That's just nuts. I'm laughing because I'm just blown away. It's fucked up because they're smart. They're super smart. There's fucking movies on this, and there's people who's doing it. There's going to come a time they're saying like you know like modern warfare and stuff is like true like wi-fi and shit we're gonna have wars and whatever and then the next thing is like i hear

robots and shit but what is it to do is just you just fucking start breeding crazy silverbacks and chimps and whatever and then you make them like i don't know you make a chip that makes them somewhat human they can talk and this and that and you send them off to war put some kind of helmet on them that has some interface like some computer interface with the chimp's brain and you have some helmet where they could see things like they can see like infrared and night vision and shit yeah yeah elon musk says his startup Neuralink, ah, fucking, they got us with this goddamn, you got to shut that ad blocker off, son.

You got to just give in to the network. Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink has wired up a monkey to play video games using its mind. Exactly. See? He's going to start. He's already ahead.

He's going to start the war. He's already ahead. He's already ahead. You fucking watch Iron Man? Yeah. You watch Iron Man? Iron Man played both sides too at one point you know i forget elon was in the fucking iron man one of them so i don't know well he's creating this neural link thing yeah i saw you know that they're gonna put wires into people's brains and he told me they're you're gonna be able to talk with no words

to your mind he's gonna be able like you and I could sit here. Yeah. We're going to have a conversation with no words. I mean, you can kind of do that with like the love of your life sometimes, you know?

Yeah, like you know each other, yeah? That's crazy. But I think you're going to be able to have like full conversations. But I, fucking Elon is a fucking,

he's something else. Yeah. The man is something. He's probably one of those freaking parasites that jumped on the stuff on one of the guys from the moon. They came back and he just evolutionized himself. He just kept growing. He's like, what is this amino acid? What is this?

What is this? Oh, take that, chimp's brain. Definitely the most likely candidate for an alien living amongst us. Oh, 100%. 100%. You see the kind of like well like how you think of that not only that how does he do like multiple different things like that multiple he's got starlink so he's creating a whole network of satellites that can give high

speed internet to the whole world yeah then he's got spacex he's flying rockets and the boosters can come back and land you could reuse them quickly then he's got tes and the boosters can come back and land. You could reuse them quickly. Then he's got Tesla, the fastest, most ridiculously advanced cars that anybody's ever created ever. And then he's got the boring company that builds these tunnels underneath the earth and you're going to shoot people from fucking Vegas to Los Angeles. In two hours, in an hour, yeah, yeah. And then he's got Hyperlink where he's like, he's got so much shit going on. And then he got like kids around that he's trying to show that they don't need to be in school so they're just fucking doing shit and whatever.

And then he got like, he got all kind of. Well, he's been saying a lot lately that you don't need a college education. You don't need to. I mean, did he go to college? Did he say? I believe he did. Did he have college on Mars? He'll start it up there. I'm going to try to get you to spill some beans on elon he went to he went to college but what

he's saying is essentially you could have a bachelor's education a bachelor's degree and still be a moron yeah you know that's what it is and just because i mean i i know some guys that i met some people in my life where they're like smart, just book smart, just crazy. But common sense, motherfuckers don't know. Like there's this one kid,

like he was like a valedictorian. He has like a 4.8 GPA, blah, blah. He gets into a car accident. He bangs, he ends up on top of his neighbor's yard and he runs away from the car. Not knowing like there's your name in the car there's everything what the fuck are you doing what are you doing i'm like what are you like

come on bro what are you doing some people panic yeah and then they when you panic your brain don't work so well yeah right isn't that that's the thing with fighting too right like some guy that's probably why some guys are really good at the gym where there's no panic you know you know each other real well they spar they move real good but then the panic of a fight some lights limits yeah some lights yeah i mean lights i mean you hear about it all the time i'm sure you heard about it a hundred million times about this guy's like oh my god this guy's a killer in the gym oh yeah he's a freaking killer and then when you go out there everybody's looking at you and like i thought he was a killer what the hell is killer goal i knew a guy like that in jujitsu when i was a blue belt there was this kid who was a black belt and man he was fucking good but he would panic in tournaments

and it didn't make any sense like you would roll with him and he would just have his way with people he was so good so talented and uh my instructor was really high on this guy's like man i'm telling you like if you could just get your head together like and i was like what's wrong with his head and they were like oh when he when he competes he just he panics i'm like he's so good yeah and it's just jujitsu that's crazy it's not even getting hit but for whatever reason when he would get out there he would just wouldn't couldn't perform and he would fall apart he get tired real easy it was like the it was like uh when the pandemic first happened and then uh usc continued to do fights for us and i was telling everybody you can find out who the real fighters is right now

because like you know some people some real fighters can't like you know some guys they're showmen and they need that crowd and they need the let's go blah blah blah like i told myself like this is like an alley street fight now that we fight no one's there you're gonna fight the blood you're gonna fight the who's the true blood the freaking you know the guys that blood sport kind of or kickboxer where you got like the glass on top of your knuckles this is what it is like you find those guys right now you know and uh and and we got to you know you see who needs a crowd because there are some guys that do need the crowd like when they get wobbled like no don't go in or like you know like that rocky thing like let's go rocker you know you know versus versus the guys like fuck

your cheerleading ass i'm gonna like this is a fight you know what i mean like that's i always told everybody i don't care if i'm fighting in front of a hundred thousand people i don't care if i'm if i'm on the if i'm on the side of in the alleyway if daniel white signs me and make sure that uh there's a lot of zeros at the end of that contract and i'm not going to jail after it's all said and done we can fight in the alleyway and that's what it was we was fighting in well had some high power sheiks i mean when i walked out it was like 10 sheiks. One of them was in a gold freaking thing. I was like, holy shit. Really? Yeah, the first one with the first fight island I went.

Had like 10 sheiks right there. I was like, oh. It's wild being over there, right? Must be guys or something. You know, the amount of money those guys have, it's not really registered. This is the thing. When they talk about Elon Muskon musk and jeff bezos the richest man in the world like not probably not really yeah the richest man in

the world on paper yeah because there's some guys you know let's go look at el chapo's stuff you know like where el chapo but then that goes there are guys with the oil though well i think el chapo was actually on forbes 500 list at one point in time for real yeah that's one of the reasons why he was kind of getting in trouble yeah of the money they did know though yeah they did know well the people that i know that are they study the cartel that really understand the cartel like that work with the mexican government they said there's a lot of guys that are way more prominent but they keep low key oh yeah because they don't want to yeah they don't want to be like escobar or or Pablo Escobar any of these guys have become famous

he's like that's not what you do the smart guys they stay low-key yeah I know and they they run everything from the shadows that's crazy yeah but that's what they do and then they get guys like that so that's a little bit of their fortune is like okay let that take take the heat while we still doing our work over here again getting whatever we're doing you know but like these royal families they don't have to disclose their income they don't have to so it's not it's not the same thing as being like stockholders in tesla or whatever it is that makes you know on paper jeff bezos look very wealthy these guys don't have to do that yeah so according to people that i know and you know yeah they're

like these motherfuckers are way richer than anybody else. Oh, yeah. They don't give a shit. I mean, I was talking to some stories about when Khabib went there and they fought the Dustin fight. And then the kids, they said they don't care if they're wearing the robes and stuff. They don't care if they're a janitor. You let them do whatever they want to do. Really?

So they're just running in the cage. I guess they had kids and stuff running in the cage. they couldn't touch them that was like you don't touch these guys you don't touch something's gonna happen to you if you touch them you know so i was like oh that's pretty insane yeah well they run things differently over yeah they yeah i mean they shut down the fucking whole whole island for us so i'm pretty sure it's a it's a lot different over there but on the other side of the flip side like i'm so happy that the ufc did that because that's how you get international fighters because there's no other way to get international fighters to put that island together and i'm so happy that

they put together the first fight in florida you know the the the first event with no audience i'm like i fucking love that they had the balls to do that i mean every day i i do too you know i many ufc fighters you know they don't add ufc is all they have you know they're not really at that point where they're like oh i'm gonna start branching off and do this and this and this a lot of them is just like this is ufc all i know is fighting so him giving us the opportunity and then you got to see and then you got to see a bunch of guys who really are fighters. They're fighting once every two weeks now. And it's like, fuck, good for you.

Go make your name. Get your name out there and this and that. And even with all the heat that UFC was getting or even Dana, that little FU video was pretty cool to see. He came out with it. Yeah, and see, in the beginning they were getting heat, but after a while everybody did it. Yeah, they all did it bellator did it they were talking shit nfl did it nba did it yeah well they jumped way ahead of everybody they tested everybody they

did it safe i mean you gotta in anything in any in sport or even in business gotta be a guy who's crazy enough to do it at first you know like elon musk people he was telling everybody about tesla about spacex and they all looked at him like you're a jackass you know like he's like you're a jackass you could look at this and then he sold his paypal he went bank he pretty much went broke he dropped all his money into spacex and his story and then he had to ask his friends his rich friends and only a couple of his rich friends like yeah you know what i'll give you this much you know and look what happened you know you need one crazy guy to do it and then everything starts to fall in place he almost went bust as early as as recent as 2018 yeah 2018 he almost sold tesla to apple what i didn't i didn't yeah

that's crazy yeah i was reading some article about that did you read about that jamie apple was trying to buy them i don't know how close they got but yeah i think they got pretty close i think they got pretty close i don't remember what what the hold up was but i mean i mean when you got apple trying to buy something then you know you know it's like you know i got a fucking great idea nope thank you for thank you for doubling it down on me i'm not stepping to you apple i'm doing this if you want to buy me i know i got something yeah yeah i'm gonna hang in there exactly when when you first started uh when the the pandemic first of all did you get coveted at all no no no i didn't did you no did you no no no i didn't i've been around a lot of people that got it yeah yeah i was i was just smart about it i was i was staying home i fell back in love with

playing video games i was just acting about when you're playing video games. I stream it on Facebook Gaming now. So I've just been home, bro. I've been loving it. You're a video game fiend. I love video games, bro. I love Modern Warfare right now. Call of Duty The Warzone is like the crazy thing right now.

And then being who I am and what I do, I get to play with some big-time players. So it's just fucking exciting, man. So you get to play with professional gamers? Yeah, some professional gamers. I got this, my man named Tommy. I got to, I don't know if you know Nick Merce, Tim the Fat Man. No. Tim the Fat Man.

Tim the Tap Man. I got Tim. That's where you go. Tim, I'm sorry, Tim. That's a clip. I'm sorry, Tim. Tim the Tap Man. But I got to play some games with some big-up guys.

And they just trip out like, oh, you playing with these guys? Oh, wow. And it's just fun. How good are you? I'm all right. They like to gas me. I don't know how good I really am. I like to think I'm pretty good.

But they like to gas me up. They're like, holy shit. You're probably the best player that plays sports. That celebrity that plays sports that actually play the games. As good as you are at fighting, that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me at all. I would imagine you can get that good at anything you do. I mean, you guys can put your, you know, just, it's like you, you know, you just got to put

your mind to it, I think, you know? And I had a freaking, I had a year and so to put my mind to it to the point where my fiance is like threatening me like, get the fuck out of the games. You need to do shit I'm like I'm sorry yeah it can get absorbed like what are you doing like 8 hours a day

that kind of shit oh bro like when the first game is this you yeah yeah look at this look at Max this game is wild

this game is so fun oh my god it looks fun so fun it's like they need an anti-cheat though come on come on Raven Software get your anti-cheat out

oh is it cheats yeah bro people fucking fucking jackie chan's and bruce lee's there's always a problem with video games and and bots right where dudes figure out a way aiming bots and all kinds of different cheats where they could see through walls yeah is that what they're doing yeah yeah yeah wall wall hacks and yeah so how do they uh stop something like that they have to just update the code there is like uh like the wave and software they get they gotta do that i think it's coding coding yeah i know like i know on uh on a on a console when you get caught cheating they can pretty much ban your console from ever going online again you know like that kind of stuff and then like that's why pc gaming is super hard with it but i saw like uh what is that counter-strike i saw counter-strike they got the

funniest game uh how to catch cheaters like you go around a corner you start start shooting like you start dropping all your weapons and stuff it's so funny it's like oh my god like carl do you need some of that so explain what happens you go right like it the person who's cheating they start dropping their weapons yeah so like there's a place in the map and counter-strike that it said i was i was just looking up like how the software's worked that's why and i think so it was counter-strike but there's a place in the map where he go around the corner he starts to shoot and your weapons just get thrown out like you're throwing your weapon down or it keeps getting have to reload like it

just keeps like doing an animation where it just fucks with you in the games. Oh, so that's only for cheaters. For cheaters. Yeah. So like they have it set up so that if you are a cheater and you get this spot in the map. Oh yeah. You're going to,

yeah. They see that. Yeah. They see the software. It's so cool. I was like, I mean, call a dude who needs that.

Imagine getting in a gunfight and you can just drop your weapon. It'd be so funny. Well, Counter-Strike, correct me if I'm wrong. It started with Half-Life, right? Yep. half-life is a wild game you ever play half-life no i have never half-life is a cool this this the game

game is cool it's about some scientists that are they're doing this experiment they open up a portal to another dimension it's an old game like what year was that half-life three they've been asking to come out for almost 20 years now. So it's an old game. Really? Oh, shit. I think so. I remember getting Half-Life 2 when I was in college. It was just like 2004 or 5.

And Half-Life 3 has not come out yet. Well, I remember when I was playing Quake, a lot of guys went over and started playing Counter-Strike, which is the multiplayer version of Half-Life. So it doesn't have all the monsters and the different dimensions and stuff, but it has all the conventional weapons. That's cool. Quake is like a different game.

Yeah, you played Quake. It was hard. I remember the first time I came here, you was telling me, yeah, you had to turn it off or you was going to be single and stuff. Well, when we set up at the old studio in LA, Jamie and I and Jeff, we started playing every day yeah

and we were playing five hours a fucking day and it became a real problem hey babe um today we're going in we got this uh person coming in and it's this last minute you don't fucking work on saturdays no no no no no there's a thing there's a thing we had to get there's a network issue i gotta go down there we were playing much, but I started getting good again. That's when it gets dangerous. That's when you get dangerous because you start winning, and you start kicking ass. Exactly.

Yeah, and then you start, I don't know. The funniest thing about Call of Duty is... This is Quake. See, this is so much faster paced. It's like some Halo shit, yeah. It's so fast paced. That's the thing about it. It's so adrenaline fueled that as you're

you're playing this game your adrenaline just gets so jacked up yeah it's like destiny and I would leave and like my hands would be shaking

my heart would be racing I'd be like what I feel terrible you went to a fucking workout yeah but it wasn't a workout because after a workout you feel good

after this game I would feel like really fucked up like what am I doing with my life I could really I would feel like that like i'm gonna i i realize it's an addiction like it is really fun but i can't i just get addicted too easy yeah i i have a super addicting personality my coach you're telling me so he always told me like because i don't drink and stuff i did a little bit but he always told me like max don don't drink and stuff. I did a little bit, but he always told me, Max, don't get into drinking.

I was like, why? I can control myself. He's like, no, motherfucker. You listen here. You're an addict. You're just going to get something. You're just going to keep on pushing it to the limit. That's what you are with fighting.

That's why you got so good at fighting. You know who told me that? BJ Penn. Yeah? Yeah, BJ Penn was telling me once that he was talking to this friend of his. yeah that's why you got so good at fighting you know who told me that bj pan yeah yeah bj pan was telling me once that he was uh talking to this friend of his and uh this uh friend of his he's like uh how long you been doing jujitsu and he's like three years i'm trying to get my black belt like you in three years and this and that and he's like oh man he goes you're really into jujitsu

and he goes no no no he goes i'm addicted he goes just like you bj and then bj said oh shit then i realized like i'm a fucking addict yeah yeah he goes i just got addicted to jujitsu i got addicted to something good we were laughing but he's like he was just realizing like i was addicted yeah i'm addicted to jujitsu it does his personality yeah and it's just like i said on the call of duty game the fun thing is uh there's a there's like when you kill them, you can hear them. Kill comms. Oh, really? So you hear the opponents that you kill.

So the funniest one is like, you fucking cheater. You're a fucking hacker. It's like, you know, they just start swearing at you. It's so funny. I'm like, and that gets addicting. You know, you like love hearing people talking shit. Well, you could do that in Quake too, but we would do that sometimes. We would set up microphones and talk to each other.

But I kind of like it when you don't hear them. Yeah? Yeah, I'd rather not hear anybody. I love hearing. I love talking shit. At the ending of it, if you come first place and the guy second place, if they stay to the ending stuff, you can kind of talk. There's a little chat time to talk to each other.

Oh, people get so salty in it. They get so mad, man. I'm like, yeah, I'm here for it. People get very emotional about video games, man. One of my friends is like, go back to the lobby. You suck. I was like, go back to the lobby. Go back to the lobby.

It's so funny. I'm like, bro, people take this way too serious. But it's a good time. Have you ever fucked with Oculus Rift or any of those virtual reality games actually talking about it it's weird Oculus actually

is going to send me something you see Dana White's old ass he was huffing and puffing yesterday he's like these guys

it's not a ad I'm really saying this for myself he's all tired and then I wrote to him and Oculus wrote to me after they sent me they actually wrote to me

and I replied to them and they said they're going to send me one so I'm excited they're very good you can get a good workout in with those boxing games they're cool too because when you get hit you see a flash of light yeah like this yeah like the stun yeah like you see the boxing glove come at you and a light flashes like like you got hit so you feel like oh shit i got hit i mean it's funny watching those videos you know the reaction videos of the kids playing the games and they're like running towards it. And they're running into the screen or they're jumping.

Look at Dana. Look at Dana's tight. It's huffing and puffing. Yeah. Look, he's so tired. I don't think he does any cardio. I think Dana just does like chest and bi's. Yeah.

And maybe micro dosing something. I don't know. Micro dosing what? You't know Microdosing what? You mean like testosterone? For sure He's stacked Yeah he's getting large But I think all he does Is lift weights mostly

Oh yeah Yeah I don't think I saw him do pull ups one He killed it on his pull ups Yeah he kills his pull ups He's a strong dude He's super strong And he's a boxer right?

Yeah he boxed a lot Yeah Yeah We need to get him In the celebrity fight Do you remember when he was Supposed to fight Tito Ortiz Do you remember that? He's a strong dude. He's super strong. And he's a boxer, right? Yeah, he boxed a lot, yeah. Yeah. We need to get him in the celebrity fight. Do you remember when he was supposed to fight Tito Ortiz? Do you remember that? Yeah, but what happened? Whatever.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what went wrong there. How do you think it would have went? Dan's a good boxer, man. Yeah, he's pretty good. If it's a fight, Tito Ortiz is going to take him down, smash him. Tito's a fucking...

No, no, it was going to be a boxing match. Tito's a fucking gorilla. But did you see... He's a big guy, Tito. Yeah, Tito Ortiz is going to take him down and smash him. Tito's a fucking... No, no. It was going to be a boxing match. Tito's a fucking gorilla. But did you see... Do you not see... He's a big guy, Tito. Yeah, Tito is huge. But do you not see, you know, with all these crazy boxing fights and fighting MMA guys fighting...

Do you not see... What's his name? Frank Mir is fighting that... Yes. An actual champion boxer. Antonio Tarver. The guy who knocked out Roy Jones Jr. Yeah.

He's fighting a beast. Tarver is... This guy got two belts in good yeah yeah once i saw him i was like bro i was like what are we doing what are we doing let the boxes of mma fight boxers in boxing yeah antonio tarver frank mirror to box on jake paul ben askren card look frank mirror he's a he's a gangster he doesn't give a fuck he'll fight anybody i mean frank has been around for a long time frank if you're watching tarver 52 take the point deduction do a do a grammy roll into a hill hook and just crack it one time you take it yeah oh if you wanted to yeah if you wanted to that's a wrap all it does is take them yeah yeah yeah

take the one point whatever it is take the one point, whatever it is. Take the one point and then... Just hit him with one calf kick. Oh, I didn't know. Oh, I so forgot. I'm just in this mode, you know? Or one oblique kick to the knee. Oh, whoops.

Just, it's... It slipped my mind. I'm just fighting. I've been fighting MMA my whole life. Come on. I can't. I can't help myself. I elbow in the clinch.

I don't mean to. It's just a part of... One, you take the one point you know yeah no one wants to fight mma that's what's interesting like the only one who ever had the ball to do it was james tony he's the only guy that ever did it yeah and he did it and i respect the man but uh i ran into james right ready couture a g for doing that just to sing real low single yeah low single got him down arm triangled him i ran into james tony afterwards like a week later at the gas station yeah what happened he lived near my house i used to run into him all the time yeah what'd he say he's like hey

what are you gonna do hey he took it most guys would be like i ain't not standing up with me but he knew he was getting into a fight fight. Well, I think the way James looked at it, it's like, look, his hands are better than anybody that's ever fought in the UFC. All he has to do is land one shot. That's everybody's.

That's all they're thinking. All they're thinking of, boxers coming over is like, okay, yeah, you can take me down, but if I land that uppercut, would you step in and something's going to die? Like Derrick Lewis. Like Derrick Lewis.

Like, look at that. That was scary shit. like Derrick Lewis like Derrick Lewis like look at that that was scary shit but Derrick Lewis is an MMA fighter yeah he knows how to distance yourself and whatever but T-Bud is a

Terrence Crawford he was a wrestler in Omaha yes and his son's all wrestled too yeah yeah he's wrestling right now it was funny

T-Bud is so complex yeah yeah he can switch stances he's a switch fighter just as good from southpaw's orthodox and and he got power power so if anybody wanted to fight in mma and fuck i think it would be him it would be him yeah but he's making so much money in boxing why would he do that why yeah why did you not just see like some of the boxes you see like uh timofio lopez is what bid they got from triller it It's just stupid money. What did he get? The bid was like $6.2 million on the fight that he got coming up.

Really? Yeah, and he's getting like 70% or 60% percent. Yeah, he's getting like $4 million, I think, from it. It's like, that's what's up. Listen, man, that guy beat the guy who everybody was saying was the best pound-for-pound fighter. Was going to smash him. Lomachenko, yeah. You know, like I told, I was, you know, like I was telling everybody,

I think if, I think knockout, it's all Lopez. But if it goes to the decision, it's going to be Loma. And then he goes out there and just does what he does. Smashes. You know what it was? He put him in so much danger. Yeah. Tfimo has so much power.

So much. And you can see, see you know everybody like i i'm a big uh i'm a big uh stuff fan you know uh what is his name matrix i'm a big fan of him but at the end of the day it's like everybody's like oh he's so like he had an injury or something he had so he shows you after but it's like come on man like he he know how to win he's a fighter he he took the fight for a reason you know. He had some good moments in the later rounds. Lopez just had a great game plan. I think to put him in danger where he thought he wasn't going to be in danger.

And he did his thing, man. Lopez is way more powerful. Way more powerful. He's a big guy. Lopez is one of the guys that look like for boxing. He looks like he's an MMA guy fighting to cut weight over there in boxing. You know, usually boxers walk around, their fight weight, you know, they don't cut too much. But Lopez is huge.

Every time he steps in there, he looks like three, four times the size of the guy. I'm like, holy shit. He's big. He's big, muscular, fast as fuck. And he keeps that pace too. The whole time. He doesn't gas out. Yeah, the whole time.

He's dangerous deep into the 12th round. He gets to knock you out in the 12th round. He won the 12th against Lomachenko. Yeah. That was a big part of the fight because Lomachenko was coming on. Was coming on around the 9th or 8th round they're saying. Yeah, but he cemented it in the 12th. Yeah.

He's a beast. Beast. And a young kid too. He's like 22? Yeah, 23 or 23. Yeah, something around there. 23, 23 or something around that. 23, 24, or around that age. I'm like, oh.

Not even in his prime. Not even close. I remember when you were fighting in the UFC, first fight in the UFC. What are you, 20? I was 20. I was 20. That was wild. Yeah, that was crazy.

That was crazy. That was good fun. That was a good fun time. Isn't it crazy looking back now? You're a veteran, world champion veteran. And you come back and think about when you were 20 years old, when you first fought in the UFC. Isn't it crazy looking back now? You're a veteran, world champion veteran. And you come back and think about when you were 20 years old, when you first fought in the UFC. It just, time keeps rolling.

You keep getting better. You keep having more experiences. That's the whole thing, you know. It was funny. I mean, we talked about it last time I was on here. And we just talked about how everybody is like, yeah, this young, new contender, this young, coming up i'm like what the fuck is i'm the youngest guy in the division i'm 29 years old relax yeah like like like uh i remember that the ortega fight was stuff and then even this fight there was like a new a new young hungry contender with qatar they were saying yeah

but qatar is the one that was like uh like he actually said the age thing you know i didn't know qatar was that old either but um he said the age thing. I didn't know Qatar was that old either. But he said the age thing, and then he was like, oh, a freshman and whatever. And I was like, finally, someone calling me some type of freshman or something. Thank you, Qatar. He said you were a freshman, he's a senior. Yeah, that's what he said. He said that.

It was funny because when I was sitting down, I was like, okay. That was a crazy fight, man. That was, in my opinion, one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen in my entire career that was that was my favorite fight all the time all the fights i've ever called that i mean watching fights you know seeing seeing fights since i was a kid this there's something about that fight where it seemed like you came into your own in that fight in a way like you first of all calvin cater that guy is a super dangerous guy super dangerous some of the best hands in the sport monster and for you to outbox him the way you did and just to put it on him round after round after round and then in the final round when you're talking shit and you were

pointing over to the ufc matchmakers like i'm the best boxer in mma and he's throwing punches at you and you're moving your head i was like j Christ Max is in the fucking matrix yeah like this there's moments in guys careers where they they reach this new place you know and that's what it looked like with you you just looked like you were in this new place I did I felt great man I felt great and uh you know going back to talking about that like uh one of my coaches he told me he's like yo max what if uh much before this fight i told you that uh you're gonna set all kind of striking records not against not against anybody against a guy who's supposedly have way better boxing than you who has better boxing uh than most of the ufc they're claiming and uh you're gonna just totally make him look like shit and i told him i wouldn't believe you he's like well you just did make him look like shit. And I told him, I wouldn't believe you. He's like, well, you just did it.

I was like, what? I was like, it was crazy because there's one thing to do it against someone. Like I'd had these numbers or close to these numbers was with Ortega. Well, you had three of the top fights with the most strikes landed ever. Yeah. Yeah. Ever. Ever.

And then that one. Yeah. Which eclipsed all of them. Yeah, I know. And then there's like this graph going around after the fight with all the UFC fights, all kind of dots of specific strikes, and there's like two dots way far from everything. It's like, yeah, those two dots is Max Holloway's house.

I was like, holy shit, that's pretty cool. You see that kind of stuff? It's pretty cool. It's not just that. You did it in a fight where it was all stand-up. A lot of the fights with significant strikes landed on the ground. Someone on the ground lying down punching them. That's what I tell people.

Everybody's like, oh, somebody did this much significant strikes. I was like, yeah, let me lie on someone and punch them in the face from the top. I would love to do that, not worrying about getting hit back. This is at distance strikes. I'm just putting myself in danger. It's a 50-50 chance. I like to

let them think it's 50 50 chance to get for hitting me but i i'll make sure the odds um uh always on my side well you showed so much movement in that fight and so many angles and footwork and your understanding of distance the craziest part about it was you said you didn't spar at all for that not at all zero tell me about that i had uh i had uh the first the second Vols and Nugget fight, the first Fight Island fight. We couldn't. We could not move. Like, people were like, I did my training on Zoom, and people was like, you're fucking lying and blah, blah, blah.

A lot of people did think you were lying. I was like this and that. I thought you were lying. Yeah, but I couldn't. I'm not going to try and meet with these coaches, these guys and like get busted you know especially who i am you know like there was people breaking protocols and like there's like hawaii famous people or or famous people that was flying into hawaii that was breaking the uh the mandate of like going around or whatever you know the covid protocols and uh they was getting arrested i was

like fuck i can't be getting arrested before my fight some crazy shit so we did we did that i didn't spar i felt great now when you did that, though, how do you do Zoom workouts? Like, how did you organize that? I had mats at home. And then we Zoom. And then, like, one of my coaches, we'd get online and do stuff. And I had a bag at home. And I'd hit the bag and stuff, do drills and this and that.

And I had weights and stuff. So no grappling at all? No grappling until fight week. No grappling? No pads? No nothing. No nothing until fight week no grappling no no pads no nothing no not on two fight week just hitting the bag yeah so what did you do for conditioning and i let i would say i got to lift weights i went to i went to a friend's house that had weights and stuff or my not friends my strike my strength conditioning coach's house he actually have uh

someplace that he had a little spot for us in his garage and that's what i would go you know everybody else uh everybody else had like kids and stuff and it was like worried worried so i was like you know i ain't gonna be mad about everything going on so we we figured out a way it's interesting the way people look at covid then versus the way they look at it now back then they everybody thought we were all gonna die well you know like everybody was worried like a lot of us were gonna die and now everybody's like i don't want to get sick. But that's it. Yeah, you just don't want to get sick. Because I heard this is like flu-like symptoms.

Depends on who it is. Dustin had it, and he didn't even know he had it. Oh, for real? Dustin, I tested him yesterday. He was here yesterday. He didn't even know he had it. Oh, he had it when he came here? No, he had gotten over it.

So he had the antibodies. He tested negative, but he had the antibodies. So after his fight with connor he got covid and didn't even know it that's crazy and then came in here and just found out about it yesterday that he had the antibodies oh shit they were like you got the antibodies you're you're negative for the disease but you have the antibodies he's like oh i go did you even notice it he goes no i never felt it that's crazy that's cool that's awesome his wife felt a little run down yeah and he's like i thought that was jet lag you know flying from for sure yeah that fucking

that that flight is not fun i don't think i don't think the disease would fuck with you i think it's it's a real problem with people with that have poor health out that have outlining health issues yes that's what it is and and then people who are really old like you can be really old but if your system is like down it's like it's kind of tough, you know? Here's an example against that, though. Cody Garbrandt. Cody Garbrandt got it, but you know what happened with Cody? He had it, and he kept training hard.

So he was training for a fight. So he didn't know he had it. He never got tested. So he's, like, full camp, two, three days. You know Cody. He trains like a fucking savage. Mad man. And so he's breaking his body down.

So he just like couldn't recover and he'd look at his watch like he had a whoop strap and he looked at his whoop strap and it was like one percent every day and he's like what the fuck is going on why am i not recovering and then finally he goes to do mike tyson's show he did mike tyson's hot box and they tested him there and that's how he found out he had COVID. So he had COVID for months before he got tested. That's just nuts. I mean. He was training with COVID.

Just beating himself up. Because you're beating. Like you can be healthy like you said. But you're beating yourself down. You're beating yourself down. Your body not recovering. And I'm probably. He's probably not doing a lot of recovery stuff.

Because he's so. You know what I mean. He's at a point in his age where he's like. I just recover. I just used to do feeling like this so why i'm gonna do it you know yeah it's uh it's just interesting that you were able to fight and to train a full camp for a guy like volkanovski especially a rematch with no sparring with no partners with no nothing yeah we we had a lot of we had a lot of like uh mental stuff mental training you know we had a lot of we had a lot of men like uh mental stuff mental training you know it was a lot of mental things and uh like visualization yeah like i got to

visualize or even just think of think of new new ways to move or uh i i got to think of ways to set up stuff like i just had more time to myself to think about actual actual fight and and whatever and then even with the uh with the sp, like the second fight for the Qatar, we didn't spar, but I moved with my partners. You know, we grappled or we had stand-up. We had ideas of,

well, this is how he moves. So I just got used to the movement and we keyed on certain things and that's it. But it was nothing ever like cracking you, you know, like I would get, I mean, you know how it is. You see all these guys,

they say like, oh, I got hurt sparring. I got hurt sparring. That's how all my injuries came. I got hurt from grappling hard or sparring hard so if you just take that out you know like you get a 200 of yourself but it comes a point like everybody thinks i'm telling everybody to stop sparring you know i'm telling the young kids to stop sparring i'm not telling the young kids to stop sparring when i was 16 i had to spar but it comes a point where you spar enough to the

points where everything happens or even fights like I fought injured. I sparred injured. You know, I got hurt. I had to come through stuff. Like you need these times before the show because when it comes in the show and you get hurt in a fight or something, you panic. You get buzzed in the fight, you panic. But then if you do it in the sparring or these amateur fights, then it's simple. But when you get to that certain point, then you stop sparring and you save your brain.

Because right now, I'd say at least 85% to 87% or even close to 91% of the UFC fighters, you don't have to. If you didn't come to the Contender Series, I think you don't have to really spar anymore. We're all at a high level already of thinking and doing this like there's other ways that you could do to figure stuff out you know and that's just what i think you know i'm not telling you so do you guys do a lot of drills with pads yeah pills with pads or even drills drills on drills you know like you know not like not really dutch, but like more towards a fighter. Yeah. Yeah.

And then we practice it. Yeah. And I'll practice it. You know, like we look we look for whenever I watch tape, we look for consistencies, guys that they do consistent movements all the time. And we work for those moments. And then we go, we apply. We ask my partner to go and now it's much it's much more easier to ask someone to uh replicate this guy for me while we're moving versus to ask someone

to replicate somebody when we're sparring hard because i would spar hard with them and then they'll start getting back to yeah they'll start getting the ass beat and they'll be like fuck frick this i give him a better look when i'm training uh when i'm doing myself so i'm gonna go to that but that's not it you know even if you give me a better look as yourself i'm trying to i'm trying to get ready for this guy you know i mean and a lot of people that's when ego and stuff come in and so on so on so i think uh i think so we figured out a way where it worked for me and and you guys got to see you know it's like i just i felt so good my body everything was like yeah i just i felt great if you don't understand how good calvin cater is you don't understand how

good your performance is because yeah i thought yeah i thought calvin was and it takes two and i tell everybody with um with this like the numbers and stuff you know like the the reason why i didn't hit this numbers against uh against ortega is because we went only four rounds you know what I mean like yeah like Ortega's a different beast too you know

I think so the ref said what he said and that's what happened in that fight but like Qatar had a

like was crazy because one of the rounds I think so like the third or fourth round I hit him and he was just gone

like I was like he was gone at the end of the round I was like this guy's not walking off for the fifth round there's no way and my fucking jumping up and down yeah like it was like he was gone at the end of the round i was like oh this guy not walking off for the fifth round there's no way i'm like a jumping up and down yeah like like it was the first round i was like i was like okay then there's my answer uh if you would you feel like

getting punched some more my friend we're gonna we're gonna do this no he's tough as fuck man because there were a lot of moments in that fight where he could have quit wait wait could have and it's crazy because like you see it you see him you see him get to that moment like i feel it like it's right there and he just throw like a bomb and he lands it on me i'm like i'm like what i'm like what i'm like come on man and then like i hear everything i can hear his corner yelling at him and stuff and this and that i'm like god damn it cater i was like you know i was like i was like one time i was like uh um what was funny was in one time in a fight like he was just fucking throwing and he somehow landed a left hook or overhand on me and he was on the fence and i was like bro the fight was about to get finished like come on cater just like come on

just do it but then you know at the end of the day it's like it's not my job you know i can't i can't focus on what the ref can do what is what is, if his team is going to throw in the top. I just got to focus on him, you know. Do you think they should have stopped that fight at any point in time? I mean, at the end of the day, I'm in Kader's shoes. Like, me talking as a fighter, no way. I was like, give me a shot. And this guy is, you know, he's a puncher.

He's a puncher puncher. Like, this guy can, like, put this guy's you know this he's a puncher he's a puncher puncher like this guy can like put someone down you know but you know it's funny because like teddy alice said the same thing but teddy alice was like telling me when i was on his show he was like oh he was like but max you never got dropped so i don't know the odds of uh the odds of him knocking you out because he's a puncher puncher he stood not there you know it stood slim but it is there but at the end of the day i i can't speak on that you know because as a fighter i'd be like frick you know it stood slim but it is there but at the end of the day i i can't speak on that you know because as a fighter i'd be like frick you know leave me in there you know

i want to fight you know like even like even my way with even like even championships you know you want to find the best guy right and and the way i look at it is like if it's the best it's not a fight is a fight until until it's over and then it's people's perceptions on the fight. So after the five rounds, then it's a fight. But I thought this was supposed to be the two best guys in the world. You know what I mean? My take on it was like, why don't we just have these fights? Yeah, we have the rounds.

We just go on to someone wins the fight. Right. Instead of we keep this perception out of it. We just keep going round after five rounds. Guess what? We're going to six. Guess what? We're going to someone quit. That's how you find the best fighter in the world at that weight. Old school Jack Johnson style. Why not?

That's the way I think because it's just perception. It's just a perception, right? They'll never do that in America, but they might do it in Asia. Maybe you could talk 1FC into something like that. One might be doing some wild stuff like that. They see some wild stuff. You see, they signed the, you know, I'm friends with the Lee's family. And Christian Lee and Angela Lee, they're both champions over there, right?

Yeah. The young sister just fought today. She won. She's 16 years old. Oh, really? She's 16. She's a professor fighter. She fought in 1 today?

1FC? She fought in 1 today she fought in one fc today she won who was on the card today i have no idea who was on the car i think so i had a kickboxing a kickboxing match might be headlining it they're doing john uh john wayne parr versus nikki holtzkin oh that should be a crazy fight right crazy because they do crazy things over in one they'll have like stand-up fights they'll have kickboxing fights yeah and they'll have muay thai with mma gloves yeah so crazy shit do you think that there's ever going to be an organization that allows you to fight like literally to the end i don't know i don't i like there how many rounds do you think you could go me yeah i go to whatever round until the guy

quit i don't care i don't care what round it is is this i ain't giving up before you i know that you know i mean you better clip my ass and my brain better better stop me because as long as i'm conscious i'm i'm going to the next round and the next round what is the most amount of rounds you've ever trained i mean i do like i mean you can talk to people i mean some of us actually you can't because no one's going to talk about it but but like i i do like when we when we was getting ready for championship fights i i did like a lot of a lot like i would would go to like 12 rounds sometimes like i would spar at least five minutes and i would spar and like we'd do like we're supposed to do like five to six and

I would spar and I'd be like nah I ain't I ain't finishing on this fucking round and then we go to the center I was like nah just do the shitty round fuck this we're going some more like and then I think so the most I did was like around 12 or 13 when I was like okay I'm good that's more than an hour of sparring 13 rounds that's crazy you know you just I just know, I just didn't feel it. I was like, bro, I don't feel it. I'm feeling it. Finally, when I felt it, I was like, okay, I'm good. I'll go home, you know?

People don't understand. That's like an hour of sprinting. Yeah. That's so crazy. Your cardio is one of your biggest weapons, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You put a pace on people. Yeah.

If you look at the numbers landed in fights, and that fight in particular, a big part of that fight, the success in that fight, first of all, you have to have the skill to land all those significant strikes. But it's just the fact that you can land all the significant strikes and not have any breakdown of your technique in the fifth round. There's no, you weren't slower. It wasn't more forced or labored you didn't slow down the pace that's it's crazy i felt good and it's funny you bring that up because like people always ask me what is your workout what is your

workouts like this and that i like i always think i was like i could tell you guys my workout i could bring you guys to the workout but that that ain't the workout But that ain't it I was talking to Sean, one of your security guys out there And you have a bunch of Navy SEALs And military people come all the time And they talk about This place where you gotta go Where you get pushed to the point Of breaking

And then you get pushed past that You have to go in And that's a very dark place you know like like sean or next uh ex navy seals and stuff those guys gotta live there you know i mean now thankful for me i have a passport so i kind of like i just kind of show my passport i'm here for a little bit and then i'm out you know i mean but uh because those motherfuckers they crazy crazy you know i mean but my passport is, y'all stamp me and stamp my exit sheet. I'm out of here.

And that's what it is. You have a passport to crazy land. Yeah. And that's what it is. A lot of people think it's a training thing. I have the best training conditioning coach. But it's not the training that we do. It's the mental stuff that he pushed me to.

There's so many stuff. I'm going to sound like a baby or a bitch. But I don't want to do this. He's like, well, guess what? I don't give a shit what you want. You're doing this. And I'm going to sound like a baby or a bitch. But I don't want to do this. And he's like, well, guess what? I don't give a shit what you want. You're doing this. And I'm doing it. And I'm like, I'm dead tired.

I'm dying and this and that. And I know workouts. But he pushed me past that limit. And it's every camp. Every camp, I'm like, yeah, going to camp. Just feeling like the man. Like, fuck yeah. He's not going to break me in this one.

And he somehow finds me. You question yourself. Like, oh, Max, do you want to do this or not and then you go to a limit you know it's everybody think it's a my cardio is a training thing or this and that but it's more of a mental thing you know it's a more of a mental thing that place that that that passport come in handy at certain times you know and uh when i can check out i'm happy that i can check out so when you've been able to go into that dark place so many times during training does it get any easier uh i mean i wouldn't say get easier but but more used to it but you get there yeah you get used to it you know and uh and it's just different i mean it's just you can ask my fiance you know she's the best you know shout out to to her alissa i love you

you know thank you for everything but she's the one that pulls up with most of my shit man like there is like there's like uh uh facebook gaming max holloway there's fighting max holloway there's training camp max holloway there's the daddest man on the on the planet max holloway you know there's all these things and like and my fiance man she fucking she does everything for me i love her and uh i like she gets the shit in and so like when i'm in training camp like i'm a prick like i was just like i'm just saying like you know like the passport is stamped during that eight weeks you know i mean so like at eight weeks at a time i'm this guy that you got to go there but i would say it gets it gets easier because i understand what i need to do and i understand time you know i mean uh time is is so important to me uh not that much people

understand what time is you know i mean like i'm taking away time from my coaches and their family they get they have kids they can be great parents they have a gym to run they can do all this but they make they make special time for me to train. You know, like my strength and conditioning coach, a lot of the times he cancels. He pretty much closes the gym for me to train. Like maybe I might have one or two people with me, but it's like he's not even focusing on them. He's always focused on me. You know, it's like I respect these people's time.

And that's what it is. Even my fiancé's time. You know, I'm all about time. Like a lot of people think, so like, Max, you're at this level you deserve that or i get to this you deserve this or i'm this here so you should be acting this certain way to me i'm i never was like that i always thought like you motherfuckers like i can never get back like joe if i asked you i know you signed that big spotify deal like hey i want 100 million dollars you know i mean i can potentially give you 100 million dollars back but then now i'm taking up your time and and we're sitting now we're talking for three hours i can never give you three hours back right

and people don't understand that they're like what the fuck you know like every time i tell them that like oh shit i'm like yeah so if you're hitting me up to train or something don't waste my fucking time when i'm here don't fucking be talking story like when we set a time fucking show up on time be ready to go at this time not not i tell you to here and you over here you come you show up on the time and you're rolling out no we want to train at this time i want to train at this time because they got my coaches got something better to do i got something better to do i like i know i got the fight do i want to be training no i want to be sitting down on top of my fucking good ass chair with my my perfect ass posture playing video games you know i mean like i'd rather be surfing with my with my son watching my son surf you know like

you know how much times i miss out on times where like even before this last fight i was there for his birthday but i wasn't if that makes sense like a lot of people don't understand like i was physically there but i couldn't eat the cake. I couldn't eat ice cream. I couldn't enjoy people's time because I, and the whole COVID shit too, you know, it's like we couldn't do a bigger one

than what it usually is, you know? So, as this, if I could tell anybody how to be successful, it's like get control of time and get control of your mental. That's how you take your places.

Well, both of them are connected, right? Because if you appreciate time, it's your mind that makes you appreciate time because you appreciate the significance of of that time training and if you think about how much time you spend like all 100 fully in and committed as opposed to some people like we all know a guy will say i worked out an hour and a half today but if you worked out with him you'd see a lot of fucking around on the phone you'd see talking to people you'd see taking rounds off there's a lot of that right yeah and and there's times and places for it you know i mean like out of camp it's funny because like uh some sometimes like uh

professional sport players they come to uh they come and train with us sometimes and then uh some one of them told my coach he was like oh uh he he was with me when i was like not getting ready for a fight and then he was there when i was getting ready for a fight and he told my coach he's like holy shit he's like now i understand why max uh why max is where he's at because like he don't fucking play around like because when he first came like i'm talking stories to him this and that lifting hit my weights my weights, doing whatever. They're super loud and gagging. And then he explained that.

And then he said, but now he's in fight camp. Motherfucker, come in. You don't talk to nobody. Train and leave. Because I don't want to talk to nobody. I got the passport stamped. I'm in this fucking crazy ass place. I don't want to deal with nobody.

You guys tell me wrong thing. A fight might break out right there. I don't want to deal with nobody. You guys tell me wrong thing. I'll fight my breakout right there. That's a fight that I'm not going to win because I'm going to lose legally right down the line. So I'm good, you know? Yeah, well, that's what makes a champion, right?

Full commitment. Yeah. It's a different level of mental commitment. And appreciation of time is a part of that. And also appreciation of the fact that you got to be willing to push yourself to those dark places like look at calvin like the moments when you had him against the cage and you are battering him yeah that's a dark moment for a guy like that you know that guy wanted to quit did not quit did you not bro with one of the elbows he did the freaking i think he brang back the dougie for a little bit.

And he somehow came back from it. I was like, bro. And some of the shots, too. I was picking my shots. There were shots where I was like, well, soft, soft, soft. I was trying to get a finish. But then when I didn't see nothing happening, I wound up on some shots. And I was like, ooh. I was like, bro, this guy, he different, different.

He's an animal. And that's why I tell everybody, it takes two in there. It does take two in there. That's a big thing. I mean, it also takes a really scary challenge to rise to the occasion. If you just knew you can go in there, like if you're fighting all 10-year-olds, you don't have to train. You just go in there and fuck them up.

But you know that you have a real dangerous killer in front of you in calvin kater yeah oh yeah he's a straight up killer oh yeah and then especially with the boxing stuff you know so it was this when i was hearing all that i was i was just you know i was in i was in crazy land on top of the roller coaster being like woohoo crazy here we go again you know so i was loving it what was it like when you were in that fifth round when you were talking shit when you were like i'm the best boxer i was funny because i i remember everything i had him against the i had him against the cage and i was i was i was punching him and then i heard uh i heard dan hardy say something about numbers or significant strikes landing so that

first thing i yell to him is count it up i don't count it up because like i'm gonna keep punching you know i keep counting and then he caught me with a jab and i just just get me pissed off i was like like max you talking shit and you're letting this guy hit you like what that's like i did the i'd have to flex i looked at him and then i punched him and then they said so and then i heard dc talk and i know dc's fucking hit the wannabe daddest man on the planet. You don't want to fight my ass. DC, I hear his voice. And then I'm like, okay. And then I start talking. And then in the corner of my eye, I was in the fight.

I'm looking at them. And in my corner of my eye, I see Calvin start trying to throw punches. So I'm like talking to him the whole time. And then if you see, I do it underneath the duck. And he didn't hit. He didn't land one punch, you know. If you see it in the video. I look right at him. I go.

What? Like. Like. Like. The kind of what. Like. What the fuck just happened? Like.

Like. Not what towards him. Like. Just like. What the hell just happened? You know. You chew like ten. Five punches.

And you missed. I wasn't even looking at you. That's what. That's what I was thinking. You know. And then I just had to let him know that. I'm the. And then that's when I screamed.

I'm the best boxer. In the UFC. And then. And then. And then I told him. let them know that I'm the best boxer in the UFC. And then I told them, the freshman came to play. That's what I was telling them. I was telling them, the freshman came to play. I was telling DC, too. And then it was funny. I was just, man, you just get in these moments.

And all these athletes, they strive for it, especially this stuff where they talk about that one moment, this and that, and everything slowed down. And, like, it just slowed down, you know, and it was great. It was like my point-down moment, Ricardo Lamas, you know, all over again. I got to reinate it with doing this slipping. But it was one of those moments you just felt untouchable, you know. You give your corners a hard attack for a little bit, but it felt good, you know. That's the kind of stuff that in the history books forever.

The concern about a fight like that is does a guy like Calvin Cater really recover from a fight like that? Is he ever the same again? And that's the thing. That's the thing that I think about all the time. You watch boxing. You've been around for boxing forever, especially in

boxing. I don't know if MMA you can recall, but I'm sure there's boxing fights where you watch, like Miguel Cotto versus, what is that guy's name that cheated? Margarito. Margarito. Yeah. That fight changed his life. Yep. That fight changed his life.

He never, ever fought the same. Cotto never fought the same. No matter how much I like to tell myself, when he was coming back and he did win some fights, it's like, Cotto's back. He got he did win some fights as a koto's back it's like it got battered yeah it didn't know what a real good example is julio cesar chavez versus meljik taylor yeah meljik taylor was the fucking man olympic gold medalist some of the fastest hands i've ever seen in my life and chavez just broke him down broke him down broke him down broke him down then finally in the last round stopped him with like five seconds to go on the clock richard steel calls off the fight meldrick taylor is never the

same again he got beaten up in that fight so bad julio cesar chavez just kept ripping to the body going up top ripping to the body trying to catch him moving moving moving and finally gets him in the corner blam drops him on the right hand and you see Meldrick. And it's accumulation of strikes. It's the blows over the entire course of the fight. Meldrick was never the same again. Yeah, and after that, imagine the training he had to do and this and that. So I just... Cater is bossing strong, you know?

They're different, different over there. And I just think, I just hope that he comes back strong. This guy got kids, you know what I mean? I'm not trying to take away somebody's livelihood or try to support, you know? But it's the reality of the game that if one person is going to land the most significant strikes ever, that means the other person is absorbing. Somebody's taking them. Absorbing.

That's what we said. So at the end of the day, I just hope they're smart. You know what I mean? I hope, like, if I was in his shoes, their shoes, I know he's 33. I know, you know, like, time is valuable in their time. But I would do something like, you know, like what Ortega did, you know, take care of myself, you know, to take care of at least a year off or two years and really rebuild myself, get back, rethink certain trainings,

you know, and really focus on recovery. Like right now, like, bro, like, the thing I tell everybody is, like, I want to be around for my son, you know, for my grandkids, for my great-great-grandkids, you know, and be around, not just be around and just watching and do stuff. I want to be around and do stuff. And you got to take care of your brain, man.

You don't want to get one of them. So I just hope they be smart about it. And I think they will. I think he's going to be super smart about it. I hope so. And they go from there. Because if I was myself, I would take maybe a year off. They give them like a six-month stuff.

But I would take them. I would go do all the brain studies that you need to do. And I would check all the boxes man and go and go beyond that you know there's a bigger legacy that you have and that's your trojan you know and you want to your child's and you want to be here for them and you want to be on 100 for them yeah it's um there's a inclination to want to get back in as quick as possible and get a win yeah yeah especially tough thing because we're fighters. We're fucking gladiators. That's the thing I understand.

I get it. I get it, but then, you know what I mean? Like 20 to 27-year-old Max, you tell that to, I get it. But, you know, 28, 29 today, Max, it's like,

nah, you know what I mean? Like, fuck this. You're getting smarter. Let's try and be smart about this. Like, look at Brian. Like, Brian came out. Like, everybody thought he was going to have the hardest fight of his life with a zombie. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I mean, zombie looked like easy work, you know? Yeah. And he did his thing. He took his time, took care of all his injuries. He really improved a lot after your fight. In everything. In everything, you know?

He learned a lot from that fight. Yeah, I think so. And he applied it, and he did it, you know? So, just look at that you know it's just it's just saving yourself you know if nobody is gonna save yourself at least say make you make sure you got you yeah make sure you got yourself yeah that fight was that was a crazy fight for for brian right because that was the first time he'd ever been stopped and he basically had his way and he was he was beating guys with strikes even though really he was a jiu jitsu guy that was his his main forte but you were the first guy to stop him and him coming back from that fight took a long time he had a bunch of injuries and stuff too yeah yeah that's true but i think so

it all played it all played into his game like thank god it did because look what he did you know he had more time to focus on different stuff but even that like if you look at brian's fights before like he i think he won like fucking like three three rounds before he fought me and he had like fucking what six fights in the ufc or seven or something or whatever the eight fights three rounds in eight fights that's fucking crazy you know like rounds of him actually winning you know like he's finishing guys with stuff so that means he's like losing rounds you know and he goes out there and just smashes uh uh karen sam in every round in his own game yep

in his own game too you know so i was like man this guy this guy did some homework yeah i mean his jujitsu is off the charts his jujitsu otega's jujitsu is crazy his guillotine is nuts i remember when he caught cub swanson he caught cub swanson i think caught him with a darts at the end of the first and then in the second he caught him with a guillotine but that guillotine was nasty yeah you know there's levels yeah there's levels and that was that was crazy when when um what's his name went right back into it i was like bro, did you not remember the last five seconds of the first round, bro? I just think he couldn't do anything about it. They were standing up and he jumped.

Jumped it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some dudes just have that squeeze. They have that crazy squeeze. I mean, yeah. I mean, look who's his trainer, you know, the dude dude, you know? Yeah, I mean, he's legit. I mean, lineage from the Gracie Torrance Academy, you know? Yeah, I mean, he's legit. I mean, lineage from the Gracie Torrance Academy, you know? Yeah.

I mean, that's old school, you know? Huron and Henner and all those killers. All the gangsters. Yeah. All the gangsters. Master Pedro, I know. I love whenever Master Pedro comes down to Hawaii or he's just in the same area as us and we meet up and, bro, some of the stories that they tell is just crazy.

Do you train in the Gi at all? I train in the Gi, yeah. A lot? I train a lot. I train more Gi than no Gi. Really? I train more Gi than MMA, to be honest. No shit?

Oh, yeah. How come? I just thought at a certain level I feel like I know enough of striking and MMA stuff and certain things that I need to really focus on this. It's what I really lack in my game and I can get super better. I have a foundation, my strong foundation, my kickboxing, but now I've got to follow it up. I used to think that I was jiu-jitsu and wrestling. I do a bunch of gi. I actually just got my brown belt right before I came.

All right, man. I'm stoked. Congratulations. Thank you. That's awesome. Super excited. Do you think you'll compete? I don't know. Maybe. My coach said for all his MMA fighters that he don't want none of us competing in Jiu-Jitsu

because that's when freak accidents happen. Look at Cub Swanson. Yeah, and people get, yeah, look, he hurt his knee, right? Yeah, he tore his ligament apart when he was, first of all, Jake's heel is so much bigger than him anyway. Yeah. Jake is like 200 pounds, and Cub is fighting at 145. It's crazy for them, but there was quintet, you know, when they had the teams. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they would compete against each other, and he got caught in, you know, an ashi position where his leg was. Just tangled. Yeah, tangled, and his ACL exploded. I know, I remember he was supposed to come back and fight acl exploded i know i remember he's supposed to come back and fight you remember and he got hurt so yeah he's 36 37 yeah so that's uh that's you know it's hard to you know to get an injury at that age because you're done you're pretty much you have a year of recovery basically you know yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's what our coach told us but we see what happens

maybe maybe after maybe after my career is done my fighting career done i do some jiu-jitsu i love to do some jiu-jitsu stuff i love i love jiu-jitsu i love rolling do you have an idea in your mind of when you're going to recover when you're going to retire rather uh i i mean if I had my way, it would be like maybe high 30s, you know, maybe 35, mid-30s actually, maybe 35, 36. But we see how it goes. You know, if my coaches had their way, they'd probably tell me to retire by like 33 or 34 or something. Yeah.

They want the best for me. They want the best for my son. So they put everything we ever do or everything I ever think of, they always make sure it's like, you got to think of Rush rush you got rush and you got future little kids so you think of what you're doing so we see what happens though you know but um if i can find a way maybe your boy become a professional streamer professional gamer baby i bet you could do it maybe maybe maybe we do that if i can find a way there's money in it yeah there's a lot of there's a lot fucking money and a lot of sponsors too i fucking trip out i'm like holy and then these

guys is like you know like i you know like i i like to be like we especially for mma fighters now we gotta be like super representative of the family you know like there's a reason why they put me and kelvin on the abc main event and blah blah like we was chosen we was pretty much handpicked. And, like, Teddy was kind of running this down. Like, look how you act outside. Like, this and that. And then you see, like, these guys that, like, stream and stuff. They don't give a fuck.

They're, like, they're fucking wild. They're fucking in crazy land, too. They're in their own crazy land. It's a different kind of crazy land. It's crazy. To be at the highest level of the highest level. Yeah. You know?

I mean, it's crazy because like every fight to today, even before the Kelvin fight, every single fight, if a fighter tell you that they don't get nervous, slap them in the head because they're lying as shit. Or they didn't train hard enough, so they're not nervous. They're like, ah, whatever. I'm just kind of going and doing this shit. But every fight, even the Kelvin fight, I'm always in the back like like, just thinking, like, okay, Hollywood, you're on deck. You know what I mean? Ten minutes to you, ten minutes to walk, whatever, until we come out to walk.

And I'm just in there. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I just start talking to myself. I'm like, what the hell are we doing here, Max? Why are you back here? You told yourself you wasn't going to be back here. What are you doing? You know, you start having to talk.

Do you still do that to yourself? Yeah, I still do. I talk to myself. I'm like, bro, you keep working McDonald's. And then I started thinking, I'm like, but then I got to go to fucking Burger University and all that shit to actually get as close as I can to what kind of money I make in UFC. I'm like, fuck this. You know there's a Burger University or something, right?

Oh, is there? Yeah, to become a manager or hire a manager or or something, you gotta go to some type of burger. I looked into it because that's one of my fights and I was just thinking of it. You know what I mean? Really? Yeah, just to see

what it is, to see what people make. I wasn't gonna fucking leave fighting, but it's just crazy. But those things is know that I'm alive, that I know I'm here

and I know and it reminds me, motherfucker, you still human. You still got your nerves and I would get nervous if I didn't right like if i was before fighting i was whatever just running around and nothing affected me i'd be like then i would start being in my own mind be like what the fuck are you doing max you know so you wouldn't feel as good i wouldn't feel as

good you definitely wouldn't feel as good if you won right there's part of the relief yeah getting over the anxiety yeah yeah there's a fight there's a lot of little fights before the main fight, you know? And a lot of people, they don't really think of that, you know? We was talking about social media with your boy Sean and John, them out there. And I was just tripping. I was just like, bro. I was like, yeah, that's right. And we was talking about, like, why people act certain ways.

And we was coming to a conclusion. Sean says, yeah, most of the guys that talk shit is men. It's insecure men. I was like, you're right. You're right. It's just insecure men. There's a time and age when I used to look at someone else and be like, what the hell?

I don't got that thing. I mean, this and that. And then I met my jiu-jitsu coach now my head coach ronald azar is and he uh he really always made me said like you know put yourself in their shoe like i would judge people i see like young kids driving like killer cars like yeah must be nice that your mom can afford that shit huh rich kid and then my and my coach like checked me he was like yeah but you don't know it's his mom bought him or his parents bought him what if he bought that himself what if he worked super hard

i was like fuck you're right you know i mean like i'm a fucking jackass you know like you put your put your put your foot uh in in their shoes and then talk on them you know a lot of people think they know but they they have no idea you know well jealousy is a an interesting sort of emotion because in in one way it can help you. It can – like you see someone who's accomplished great things and you get jealous and it pushes you. But another way, it can poison you because it makes you focus on things the wrong way. Yeah, you start looking at how far more you got to go versus how far you came. Right, right.

And you also look at someone and go, why them? Instead of looking at them and going, how did they do that? And how can I do that? Yeah, and that's the main thing I always tell people, especially where I'm from, I tell people, like, why not you? Why asking them, why them? Why not say, why not me? Why asking them why them? Why not say, why not me? Why can't I do this?

You know, because you can, you know, but it's just. You got to stamp your passport, though. A lot of people don't want to stamp their passport. Stamp your damn passport. Leave your mom at home. Leave your girlfriend at home. Leave whatever it is at home. Stop using that excuses because I was just telling them, like,

I know a bunch of people that like like where i'm from like kids is like talented i'm not being biased because i'm from there but like we had talent like they're supposed to go college and do stuff but then they then you hear them say oh i never go because uh because i can't leave my mom or i never go because my girlfriend don't want me to go and then you know fast forward five ten years later seven years later somebody from their time is super successful and then they're mad at their mom or their girlfriend at the time be like see i we could have had that but this and that like no motherfucker don't be a what-if person that's a what-if guy that's a guy who jealousy who you use in the wrong way you know or or they like oh

if i had those opportunities i would did it motherfucker you had the same you had more you had more opportunity than me don't ever tellfucker, you had the same opportunity. You had more. You had more opportunity than me. Don't ever tell me that if you had the same opportunity than me. Because you had it more. You was kind of, you know, some people did. And I used to think, like, bro, I ain't talented. I ain't whatever. Everything I work for is because I have my passport to Crazy Land. You know what I mean?

And I was able to figure it out. And there's no denying that people that are as successful as you there's two things you took risks and you work hard and those two things are two things that people don't like to do yeah they don't like to take risks and they don't like to work hard yeah i know even like um even since getting into gaming you know ever since gaming was like uh real crazy because of pandemic is i was crazy before but even now that i'm in it and I see a lot of gamers, they're like, oh, I see a lot of these gamers that are just starting. They're just starting and they're like,

oh, why am I not blowing up like that? Why am I not? I'm like, trying to ask this motherfucker how long he was fucking in this gaming stuff. You'd be surprised. These guys grinding, grinding. Yeah, eight hours a day, all day, every day, day after day after day after day those

i've seen those guys that are streamers that are really successful and they're never offline never ever and then they have to deal with social media that's become like i was just talking to my agent i was like man i would like to do a study on uh on mental health for gamers or streamers because like a lot of streamers in this past uh during the covid and stuff since i've been so into it like a lot of people is like committing uh suicide and stuff or passing away and i was like bro i would love to see what makes it go that way or why they feel like they can't talk to somebody because and he was kind of trying to pick is like i don't know maybe because they're like in this virtual world so they think so that since they're already in the virtual world they cannot take out the the uh the part of the social media part in it.

And I was like, oh, I don't know. But I'd like to know because social media nowadays is just crazy, bro. It gives fucking iron balls to people that has far from them, who has zero balls. Yeah, well, it allows people to be detached and to say a lot of mean shit and it it really affects young girls young girls apparently have it worse than anybody oh yeah there's a giant uptick in suicides and self-harm for young girls that's directly correlated with the the invention of the smartphone yeah because they cannot the the young girls or even people who is affected from it they just cannot find the difference between that this is the best part of me you know like nobody's putting

on a fucking nobody's putting on a fucking shitty ass day you know i mean like the top guys the people who admire you know like kylie jenner or kim kardashian is not gonna fucking tweet like look at this horrible picture of me with no makeup on right they're putting up the hottest picture of them for a reason yeah for a reason because they want your likes they want this they want that but then the people think this is them all day right yeah just because you see them on the show yeah just because you see them on the show they all make about that's not them it's fake well not always that they they use applications and they change the way they make them look yeah they change everything i mean a lot of people i mean i how much fucking they catfishing yep they catfishing you for real like they really

catfish you see these guys in in real life you see some of these people they look like they look like the ape eat their face you know what i mean like what are you doing it is crazy how people are so addicted to using filters and so addicted to changing the shape of their waist. They suck their waist in with an app and make their tits look bigger. It's crazy. And then people look at it and they go, why don't I look like that? They look in the mirror, and that's reality.

Yeah, and that's sad, man. It is sad. Don't be like that. Get into fucking trouble. I always told my son, he plays games or whatever. Like, you got to be up to date with what's moving, you know, everything, of course. But I tell him, like, bro, like, sometimes, like, bro, just get out of trouble, you know? Like, make someone's parents call me saying that you're freaking doing, you got into trouble.

You know what I mean? Like, go freaking break an arm or something. Go, like, that's what we did when we used to. I'm sure that's what you did. You was outside with your friends just causing havoc and and getting into trouble you know what you tell your son to go cause havoc oh sometimes i'm telling like sometimes i tell him like get out of here go forget go fall off a tree or something just go have fun you know what i mean like go be a kid for a little bit yeah does he train uh he trained jujitsu uh very little bit. I don't want him to fight.

I mean, you know how fighting is. I know how fighting is. I'm in the mecca of it, you know. And I don't want him to fight. I always tell him that you become a doctor. You take care of dad, you know. Dad will take care of this part. And you take care of us.

You take care of everybody after us, you know. And we see what happens. But he's like, like I said, my fiancé is a professional surfer. And he's been, like, going to surfing so much now. Like, he's just so like I said, my fiancé is a professional surfer. And he's been like going to surfing so much now. Like he's just so in love with surfing. I'm like, gosh. I'd be pretty cool though if he becomes a professional surfer. I dig it.

You're not scared of sharks? I mean, we live in Hawaii. I mean, I'm scared of sharks. Hell yeah, yeah. Are you serious? It's fucking water. But I'm not going to be like Joe Rogan. Don't shoot me

after breaking an entry in your house. You know what I mean? The ocean is their house. They want to attack your ass. Guess what? They have every single right to bite you

because we're in there. I don't know about that. I'm on team people. They can eat shit. I'll go surfing with a fucking spear gun. Oh, yeah. Oh, perfect.

That'd be the move, right? Get a spear gun and use it like a balancing but like you know when the dudes walk the tightrope right they have those balancing poles knowing you that would be a good way to surf maybe you peach maybe maybe you uh you pitch the idea because they're stand-up surfing you know stand-up paddle maybe you pitch the idea to elon of he put something in the paddle where you can you twist the thumb off it's like a harpoon you can stab someone with it i saw a video today of this shark swimming straight towards this dude.

Straight at it, yeah, with a spear gun. And the guy shot it in his mouth. Yeah, I saw it. And he was like, look at his hand. That's crazy. But you see how fast that shark got to him? Dude. That's crazy as shit.

That thing was moving in for a bite. That's crazy. Yeah. I wonder what kind of shark that was. But it's aggressive as fuck, whatever it was. And he shot it with his mouth wide open. Yeah, yeah. And his whole gun went inside.

Yeah. Oh, my God. That was crazy as shit. imagine if that dude didn't have a spear gun that would have been just chomp chomp chomp yeah yeah that's it here it's four years old show it to us did did he bite his hand watch it go from the beginning where it's swimming towards him because it starts i'm gonna call fast he's going i just saw it on sports center boom because it starts... Look how fast he's going. I just saw it on SportsCenter. Boom!

And he just unloads it. Look how crazy that is. It looks like a video game. It does look like a video game. How wild is that? That's four years old, Jamie? Yeah. Uploaded in 2017.

Wow. That is nuts. I would have ate that fucking shark for sure. I'd be like, bitch, I'm getting you. I'd be like bitch I'm getting you you dropped a spear I'm getting that spear if I killed that thing if that thing was trying to kill me and I killed it I am 100%

eating that thing I would take all my fucking clothes off and jump in that water and go get that dead shark like that's mine I'm eating that thing I'm gonna eat his liver I'm gonna that thing. Yeah, no, you got to. You attack me. I'm going to eat his liver. I'm going to eat his eyeballs.

I'll eat his fucking brain. If that was me. You don't want to eat his brain. You don't want to. I don't give a fuck. You don't want to be as dumb as a shark. I'm eating everything he's got. I'm going to eat his dick.

I'm going to eat everything. I'll make shark fin soup. Fuck him. I would 100% eat that thing. As a soap. That would be my number one goal. After I realize I survived, I'm like, I am eating this motherfucker. I'm going in there.

I'm here for it. If you're ever in Hawaii and that happens, I'd be like, this is fucking hitting my line. Dude, I spent days after a bunch of coyotes killed my chickens. I spent days camped out on my balcony with a bow. I set up a chicken. I took one of the chickens that they killed where i scared him off the chicken and i tied it to a pot it was like a pottery pot you know yeah and i tied it with a rope and i set it there and i ranged it it was 25 yards

and then i sat there with my my my bow dialed into 25 yards just waiting for a coyote to come in and i had all these plans i was gonna kill the coyote and then i was gonna cook his back straps and eat it and then i was gonna take a shit and then put it in a bag and leave it out there like look i ate your friend motherfucker i had all these plans like defer them and stuff and just hang them up with the stuff i was gonna eat them i was gonna eat some of them i was gonna eat his his loins his back straps. I had it all planned out. Did it happen? No, motherfuckers. I was there for days and days.

One time, my daughter at the time was only six, and I was ready. I was here, and she was downstairs. And as the coyote was sneaking over the fence, like the coyote was there, she's like, coyote, the coyote. I'm like, ah. I should have told her not to yell. I should have told her. Damn yell. I should have told her. Damn.

She cock-blocked me. Yeah, she did. But I had this whole plan. I was so angry because they killed my chickens. I mean, that sounds like a... I had a whole plan. You're in a fucking crazy land. You stamped it like five times on like...

I was out there for days. Yeah. Hours and hours and hours for days in a row just waiting. Man, you should have YouTubed that. That would have been fucking great. I think people are probably pretty mad at me. They get mad if you kill coyotes, which is crazy, because coyotes will eat your baby, by the way.

Oh, yeah, they will. Those little motherfuckers are monsters. They're crazy. They're just small. Yeah. They're little small wolves. Yeah. I mean, they breed with wolves.

They're literally wolves. They're just a small version of the wolf family. And they'll eat your kids. They eat your cats. They're just a small version of the wolf family. And they'll eat your kids. They eat your cats. They ate my daughter's dog. They ate my daughter had a puppy, my oldest daughter. They ate her puppy. They ate 22 of my chickens.

They don't fuck around, man. You take from mine. I'm taking your life. I was going to eat them. I had this whole plan. I was just sitting there for hours at a time thinking what am was going to eat them. I had this whole plan. I was just sitting there for hours at a time thinking, what am I going to season them with? How am I going to cook them?

I was going to eat them. I mean, that's the best. You've got to have a plan. What do you do? Kill it and you've got to be like, then you'd be one of those guys with a dead coyote. What the fuck do I do now? Well, you know, you could just throw them over the fence or take them to the woods and drop them off or something like that and let the rats eat them.

That's no fun. I just wanted to let his friends know. Like, hey, bitches. I got your friend, and I'm going to get you, too. Yeah. I really should. The problem is I live in a neighborhood, and you can't have a rifle. A rifle would have been the way to go, because then I could have got him even when my daughter saw him.

Yeah, it would have been easy. I could have just, you know, but it's just obviously not a smart move to be firing off a rifle in a fucking residential neighborhood. Joe Rogan, sorry, fires, killing coyotes. He's arrested. Yeah. It's not a good move. Well, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have any predators on Hawaii, right?

Not at all. Not really. I mean, unless, you know that like i said people got pets of like monkeys and shit you don't know you don't know you really don't know do they have wild pigs on oahu yeah we do we have boars yeah we have people hunt that's what they hunt and then i think so that's about it and then the the deer is on uh kawaii and maui i think yeah and uh lanai and lanai a lot of deer. Yeah. It's a beautiful place, man.

You know what's interesting about you and your camp there? It's like most champions, most of them, come from big camps. They come from American Top Team or Rufus Sport or TriStar, these gyms that are real established and have many, many, many world champions come there and train. You came from a gym that really doesn't, it's not a very big gym, doesn't have a lot of people, and you became one of the best fighters in the world from that gym. I mean, I think, it's not all me, you know. I think it's my training partners that put in the time. And then even my coaches, you know, i think every single one of my coaches i think they they they lived in crazy land a little bit

too so they got they gotta understand you know some of them only one of them i think only my striking coach is the only guy that actually fought mma like my my my main coach he never fought mma he wanted to he trained he wrestled he do jujitsu he did some striking but never did and then my strength and conditioning coach never did uh he actually just started training MMA fighters when I started with him you know so it's just all growing growing uh growing pains and um we figured it out I don't know I I just think we all had a little bit of crazy land in us it just it all freaking worked and uh we we got put in uh in positions where like holy shit we're really here so let's do it you know like like you know like not that much people know you

know my interim title and i mean you know but the only reason why i got him because um at dc we was on a co-main event under dc and anthony ramo johnson i think dc that's when dc sneezed and he threw out his back because he's old shit. DC, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry he's doing you like this. I love that man. Everybody loves DC. I love DC, but yeah, that's how I got my title fight after

nine straight. I was on a nine straight fight. That was unheard of, people getting nine fight win shakes and not getting a title shot. And then and then i get an interim title shot because the dc you know thank god for dc being old at that time and um and we're here you know i mean like we just always like they all just kind of and the cool thing they all kind of just moved to like they kind of moved to the beat of my drum but they kind of knew when to kind of like ease me back you know like they kind of moved to the beat of my drum but they kind of knew when to kind of like ease me back you know like they pull me back like hey well that's the thought is like what is the best way to to run a camp is it have a bunch of killers in a room like the black zillions or like american

top team or a lot of these camps or is the best way have one dude that you have a bunch of really intelligent people concentrating on and you get individual attention and that's what you got oh yeah 100 you know like my coaches like we started doing doing all kind of stuff like when when things started falling in place and falling into place like everything started going to like really focusing on stuff like like do this do that and then whenever we we hit a roadblock with stuff we always like we're always like oh what can we add what can we figure out to get better to get you better you know so i got like doctors i got like uh uh masseuses i got i got nutritionists i

got all kind of stuff like it just kept when you just have that much of in a room of the just smart guys i mean what what is it saying right like if if you if uh if you surround yourself around five geniuses you're going to become the six right so was this was this cool to see it all fall into place yeah it's um there's that's the two schools of thought the two schools of thought is be around a bunch of killers and you become a killer or come from a small gym. And there's, there's been other fighters like Olivera is another example.

Charles Olivera. He's not in a big gym. He's not an American top team or anything like that. Even Mighty, Mighty Mouse, right? His gym is like. Yeah,

but he was with Matt Hume. Matt Hume is a special dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Hume is, first of all, he was a real pioneer of the sport.

Yeah. Yeah. That, that helps. Fought way back in the day and was a judge and pride and just has a just a deep deep understanding of mma and he's a really smart guy like really smart when you talk to him like that that guy understands fighting at a level very few people do he could develop many more of those kind of world champions if the right athletes came to him and he put the same amount of time into them as he did with Mighty Mouse. For sure. 100%.

Yeah. It's interesting. It's like some people think you have to spar hard. Yeah. And then you look at what you did and like, well, you don't really. I mean, is there – I mean, MMA is such a growing sport at the point of where is there really a right way to do anything? No.

Not really, you know? Like, with NFL and stuff or NBA or MLB, there's, like, these are things that worked. And it really didn't have to evolve, you know? And then, like, somebody special like Steph Curry come in and, and like doing fast breaks and then he pull up he pulls up on a three like any like olden days would have been like what the fuck are you doing take that straight to the hole and then and then lay it up or dunk it you know but he changed that game but like is there anywhere else like you could really change in other sports not really you know mixed martial arts is the only sport i think so that's it's just constantly evolving even like you know even like boxing boxing is just it's a it's a fine art

but it's like what can you do a little bit differently you know but mixed martial arts is just it's always learning you know like it's just always you start seeing different athletes come into the sport into the area and then they start doing different cool shit you know like you see what one guy that one guy in the ufc fucking backflipping trying to land on people's stomachs and kicking them you know yeah yeah yeah it's crazy as shit like is there any really way to go no you know you just figure it out and whatever works for you you know it's just it's just like you the way your story came up you know is there a way for someone to be a joe rogan probably not you just got to go out there and work your ass off and then just hopefully you're lined up in

the perfect positions for for certain deals and you're there you know like that's it like you can't tell someone to how become a joe rogan or how become an elon musk you know these fucking geniuses like there is no way you can tell someone oh this is what you do and you're going to get here you know it's just i think the thing about mma too is that there's so many different approaches to the actual sport in terms of how you fight exactly there's no way you could tell a guy who's a wrestler who has like a khabib that he has to train exactly the same way as a guy like you yeah yeah yeah imagine telling khabib like oh yeah you need to start throwing more punches so uh i do not need to throw punches i I smash you.

You know, like smash you. Change your face. Yeah. Same location. He eats your face. You know what I mean? Like, come on. But that's this it. It's a weird, we are in a weird sport where there is no right way.

Right. They are kickboxing champions. They are wrestling champions. They are jujitsu champions you know there's like there's all these champions as well like a lot of people say oh yeah but wrestling had the most and blah blah this and that but most of the wrestlers not even wrestling right for the championship they're using it backwards to strike you know like john donald really uses wrestling to wrestle people he strikes with you you know yeah so it's just i mean even with the khabib even with the

connor like look like he used his wrestling a little bit and then he kind of used it backwards where he landed that big shot and then you know because it's a wrestling but it's it's just i don't think there's no right way man you just figure out what works for you if you think so you're going in a room with with killers and you're freaking sparring hard every freaking day go and do it bro who am i to tell you no you know you used to have a hard time cutting weight but it doesn't seem like you have a hard time cutting weight anymore i mean would you do differently yeah i mean i wouldn't say i had a really hard time doing it but it's always uncomfortable but it got a little bit easier i

just like i said we just i got we got doctors now we got people who actually like focus on that kind of stuff and they and then i got my beautiful fiance that just keeping balloon max away from me forever like i eat so much better now out of camp than i did before i was i was healthy i was oh she heats healthy yeah because she's a surfer and uh they always got to be on you know ready to go so i i'm like i was the worst man i don't know go pull up my instagram story you there's like a throwback of me and like it's unrecognizable well your boy your boy used to get big in between camps what's the biggest you ever got oh man i i can't say i'm gonna get i'm gonna get harassed by by my nutritionist if i tell you but tell me the truth come on i used to get

big i used to get 190 i used i used to get big. 190? I used to get big. 195? I never... I really don't know what my weight was because I just knew I was big because I looked like Oompa Loompa. You know what I mean? That's why I looked like... Or like Violet from Oompa Loompa. You know, that's how I looked. I didn't...

I wouldn't step on the scale. Scale wasn't my friend. I was like, fuck this. I just... You just look in the mirror and you're just like, something does not look right. But let's keep going. When you were the one time where Al Iaquinta wound up fighting Khabib and you were going to fight Khabib on last minute notice. How much notice did they give you for that?

Six days. Six days. Yeah. On April Fool's. And it was to try to make 155. Five, yeah. What were you walking around at? I mean, I tell you exactly how far we came.

You know what it was you know you know what happened that fight why it was so crazy is that uh lockhart then took me on for the fight like they you know we called him we had a talk and he did a freaking interview talking about how this is the biggest cut we're ever gonna do in a short amount of time blah blah and the first thing that happens when I land, I'm fucking meeting with a fucking, not even a UFC doctor, a doctor from New York Commission. Oh, Jesus.

And then they tell me every single fucking day they're going to check up on us. And I was like, holy shit. I was like, what the hell? And I was fine. And I was a little bit bigger than what I usually was. And I was slimming, slimming, slimming. And this is when we just got the New York thing, you know.

Like, we just finally is in New York. New York don't even want us there. Like, they're fucking looking for every single possible way to get rid of fucking MMA over there, you know. And I get there. And then I'm like, bro, I'm like four pounds away from making the weight. And I'm going to, like, it's tough, but I'm going to get there. Like, I know I'm going to get there, you know. And then they come in and they check.

And we have, like, hours left before the weigh-ins do yet. You know what I mean? They come in, they check. They looked at me and they said, you don't look good. You can't do it. That's all that happened. And I walked out. That's so ridiculous.

I wasn't fighting. That's so ridiculous. To me, it's like, you look skinny. I was like to me it's like you look you look skinny i was like i mean i'm coming down losing weight i'm pretty sure i'm gonna look not look like how when i first met you on fucking monday you know i mean like what is going on that's so stupid how frustrating was that oh it was heartbreaking i had my whole family i had my whole family i had uh i had i I had, I had a couple, I had a couple people that was, for the first time, was going to be at my fight, for the first time,

and we just had it all set up, man, and then, uh, and then just to have that was just, and you're fighting, it's not even that, you know, the family stuff, they understand it, you know, that's how it goes, but, but the chance of fighting someone of that, at that statue of being, you know, like, and I, and I pride myself on on like you know fight anybody anywhere anytime any weight class and uh forget that to take away against what he was he was already considered number one pound for pound guy in the world before he even had the you know i mean like he was like one of the scariest dudes they said and um i just wanted to fight him you know i mean and it was good it was good. It was super fun. If you go and watch, I think that's the best, the best press conference

Khabib ever had was against me and him. Like, it was just so fun. Like, I don't know if you guys watched it, but I was like, like,

I got him talking. He's talking back to me and like, he's showing emotion. I was like, fuck yeah, you know, like,

we're going to fucking do this at the end of the week, you know what I mean? Like, I can't wait. And then, well, it was obviously respected you too.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he, but he was like chirping, you know, like he don't chirp you know i mean all he

says i'm gonna smash you you know that's all he sees it and he was talking back to me he's like letting me know how it is over there and i was like fuck yeah you know like i was just like yes like this is gonna be a fight you know and and uh just to get as this is history i guess i guess it was history that got taken away from me that's why i'm so sad and now that he's gone it's like fuck i'm not just that history by some pencil pushers some people don't know jack shit and they're the ones that tell you you can't make the weight history i remember hearing that when they said they pulled max off the the weight cut and i said who pulled him off the weight cut and they said one of the people from the athletic commission i said based

on what and they said they didn't like the way you look and i said what the fuck are you talking about this is like when i had first landed in new york they were telling me this yeah and i was like what are you talking about i go who who what person i mean like like it was just it was just tough you know i mean like it was it was just tough man everybody looks like shit when they're cutting weight that's this they could have gone through the whole card and canceled the card. I mean, I used to, like, even to today, when I make 45, people are like, oh, my God, you look fucking crazy. I'm like, you think? I'm cutting weight.

You know what I mean? Like, okay. Thank you, Mr. Obvious. You know what I'm talking about? I'm losing weight. How much do you lose when you make 45? We usually cut around 10. Not that bad. Yeah, not that bad at all. It's just hard because I'm losing weight. How much do you lose when you make 45? We usually cut around 10. Not that bad.

Yeah, not that bad at all. It's just hard because I'm skinny. I'm a freaking skinny. I'm a Samoan, and I have fucking humangous-ass bones, I think. Humangous? Bro. It's freaking irritating, bro. Isn't it funny that it's harder to cut weight when you're skinny?

That's one of the things that Lockhart explained to me that I was pretty shocked by. When you have more muscle, the muscle is mostly water. Those guys like Yoel Romero, they can cut a lot of weight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I heard that, I was like, that makes no sense, Lockhart. But whatever. You supposedly got this and know what you're doing. You can't question it. He knows what he's doing yeah yeah so it's like it's cool you know when you

went up to 55 what were you walking around like when you fought Dustin I was I was just like I was like around like 180 or so not too bad 180 maybe 183 at the most but it was just but that fight wasn't really like like to like, to put in perspective, like, after that fight, I fought two months later, and I fought at 45. You know what I mean? Like, when I, when I, when I fought him, I was on a two-month notice, too. So it wasn't, like, it was just off, like, this off-season guy that I was just training, training, you know, like, going to 55 was just easier. So it wasn't really a committed guy like you know i wasn't really thinking i wasn't really thinking of like oh yeah i'm gonna just focus on 55 so i can do and put on some weight and put on some muscle and do this

and that was just was just one of those things was like they came up with offers i did it and then you know two months later i had to fucking get my ass down to fight frankie edgar you know and that was one of the the best ever, so it was cool. If you had to fight at 55, how much time do you think you would like to give yourself? You would like to gain weight? I mean, yeah. You would like to do strength training?

Yeah, I would like to do a little bit of strength training. I mean, it is what it is. If they call me tomorrow to fight 55, I'll fight them. But at the end of the day, in a perfect world, if I got to have at least one, that fight was two months. I'm in training camp already. You're not not doing nothing you're not getting stronger you're not getting faster in training camp you just you're getting ready for the fight you know so if we had three months i think would have been different you know i mean if i had that one extra month to

do it you know i just i just think so if i had that that extra time to actually just uh uh be in the gym and actually focus on like like oh that's really just put on muscle let's really get this fast twitch here or this and that i think so it would have been a would have been a little bit more funner do you think of fighting at 55 in the future do you think you'll wind up doing that oh for sure i think so i think so i end up i think i end up 55 maybe i committed 55 maybe even a committed 170 or who knows you know like yeah maybe i get maybe 55 we go up there we see what happens and then maybe you know maybe the thing jumped to 70 the class being the class you know so and maybe there's a greats up there you know so we see what happens you know i don't put past anything you know but if if i have time to like

really fully commit to certain stuff i know i can do it you know if i could be polynesian you see how us polys love to eat you know I'm probably I'm the smallest Joe I'm the smallest Samoan you've probably seen in your life

you know what I mean like I'm probably one of the smallest ones ever well usually they're thick boned large large human beings yeah

large human beings they look like gorillas yeah big hands yeah everything I'm just the total I don't know what I got small hands

not really big and thick, you know. But you had a really good point last time we talked. You were saying that because you don't have a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber and you don't have a lot of power, you have crazy endurance. Oh, yeah. And that you either get one or the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys like Aldo who has a lot of power, a lot of speed.

Fast twitch. But it wears out. I know. It's just crazy, bro, how they can... It's just amazing. On paper, I was telling Sean them out there, on paper, you put down my stats, no one's going to pick me in a fight.

What the fuck is this guy? Freaking next, you know what I mean? But then there's one thing. There's that mental part and that heart part that you can't measure. You can't measure the mental whatever. No. And that's that crazy land part. You know what I mean?

Like, people don't know what the fuck crazy land is. So if they see this guy, like, okay, he got a passport to crazy land, but this is his stats. All fucking, you know, out of ten, like, threes. And then this is the guy. He's like nine, all nines,ines but he maybe a couple of tens in there but he don't have a passport to crazy land they'll be like

fuck crazy land this guy is great and then when you go in there you find out that fuck most of the time the guys with the passport to crazy land

they're crazy you know they figure out a way to win they figure it out you know the sum of all your parts is not that doesn't equal

a championship fighter like the mind is such an important part and i and i was uh i was talking to them outside back to that conversation i was telling them like whenever i talk to an uppercomer or or or my friends or i see people training and they're training hard or doing this and that and i'm just like bro this is crazy like like most of us in the ufc, right? I was like, guys, there comes a point where like you're pretty much good. Like everything can get you by. You got here already. But now the only thing different that's going to get you to the top 15 is mental.

And then from 15 to 10, the only difference between those guys is mental. And then from 10 to 5, same thing. And then from champion and everybody else it's a mental it's a mentality thing is this something that to do with iq and something that's the only thing that changed like we're all good we're all at the mecca of fighting the ufc is where everybody wants to be but what makes you a champ what makes me a champion you not something gotta be it like you can live more ways than me though you know i mean like we're the same if we're the same weight class you're stronger than me you're faster than me what is

the difference what is the difference i i believe it's it's that passport crazy land it's that mental it's that it's that thing like i'm willing to do something that i don't know if you even thought of doing it or if it's presented with you that if you're going to take that chance you know and it's it's that but it's also you're willing to put the intensity into your training camps and the focus and dedication into your craft yeah that maybe some people aren't and maybe sometimes people that are really talented things come a little too easy for them and they don't want to work as hard exactly that's that that's the that's the downfall with a lot of these guys you know a lot of these guys is like they're just like all-stars in their town and playing regular sports you know i mean

shit all the time there's all-stars in the towns whatever then they go to the other stuff and then they're just another guy yeah there's somebody that's faster stronger and better than you you know i mean and then when they get there instead of pushing through they they never had to and then there's that kid that was like just always just kind of made the team and then he's there with you and he sees that and he see you break and that pushes him and now he's about he's with those guys that's just who's those guys who's freak athletes but they all have the mind but this guy don't have the freak at least but he get the mind and he's hanging with him because he's figuring out a fucking way to do it you know

yeah some of the toughest guys are younger brothers of tough guys oh yes oh because you gotta take the shit yeah you gotta take the shit you know i mean like it is like they become durable yeah it was it was kind of backwards uh growing up with my brother like i'm the middle child but my brother's four years older than me my older brother my my younger brother is uh one year younger than me but so it's kind of backwards like it wasn't like my older brother wasn't really tough on us but it was a point where my younger brother was like such a spoiled little prick that he would always get me into trouble from uh from my grandma like he would do my grandma and grandpa so like he would do something and he'd cry and be like no i did it so i would get the lickings you know so i think so that's what my mentality came by like i always was like motherfucking young

so like even like when even when i fight with my younger brother he would beat me because he's like i was smaller than him like he'd beat me up growing up and the funny thing is is like i told you last time is that every time uh when my mom when i started getting into kickboxing and my mom was telling people like hey let's go we're gonna um're going to, um, my son's going to go watch fight. Uh, he's going to go fight this weekend. I want to buy tickets. They'd be like,

Oh cool. Who is Clem fighting? And then they'd be like, Oh no, Clem's not fighting. Max is. And they'd be like, what the fuck?

Like Max don't fight. Why is he fighting? Why is he fighting? You know, but it comes because I just fricking, I got fricking so abused and stuff. I never thought of that. You just pointed out to me, like me like my grandma grandpa give me like this guy could get he would get away with murder and i always got it and then whenever he'd do something stupid like outside we

play with our friends it's like there's a place on our street where we couldn't pass and my grandpa would like just be sitting in the gazebo and catch my my brother coming back and being like because he would go in the fucking main road. It's so stupid. There's a dirt road. I was like, bro, take the dirt road. Like, grandpa's always up there drinking his beer. Take this damn dirt road so we don't get into trouble. He's like, no, no, no.

Grandpa's not going to be there. But I know after all these years I put together, I'm going to fucking winter road because he wanted to see me get lickings. So after the time, he was like, Max made me go with them. I didn't want to go. And I'd end up getting lickings. It wrapped me up. I was like, bro, you told me go. them I didn't want to go And I'd end up getting licking It wrapped me up I was like bro You told me go

What are you talking about The tables have turned You little asshole bro What is he like now He just He's crazy you know He's We had to deal with some stuff

Like You know my family and stuff Would come from drugs And whatever My mom and stuff Except for my grandma and grandpa It's great for them But he got into his trouble and stuff But he from drugs and whatever, my mom and stuff, except for my grandma and grandpa. It's great for them.

But he got into his trouble and stuff, but he's recently, like, he's been out, he's been clean, he's been doing his thing. So I'm proud of him, I'm happy with him. So it's like, it's not, I always tell him too, you know, it's not how you start the race, it's how you finish, bro. It's like, finish strong, bro. You got kids, you got focus now. I know, I know you think you fucked up, but you never let nobody down yet. You know, you got time and just make everything right again or try to go get as close as you can to

making everything right that's great advice that you still have time and then always you're alive just keep moving and do better now yeah like you make your mistakes yeah a lot of people they make these mistakes and then it just lives with them you know you just see people burn i mean you you know i talked to you about it a little bit uh off off the stuff text you a little bit about like you know what with lines and stuff and is this people just they just hold on to it because they just think so that they can't come back or they think that like they burned they burned someone so bad that there's no coming back from it or they hurt themselves so bad but there always is you know like and people gonna forgive you know like i you know i mean like i'm not gonna forgive you right away but if you if

you earn it i'm gonna i'm gonna you're gonna do it like show me that you changed and show the people you changed but a lot of them they're just what a lot of people in this world they just cop out you know i mean they'll be like you know what they're not gonna forgive me anyway did they start like yeah look i said sorry he's like motherfucker though one sorry is not enough like prove to me that you're gonna change and and do it and be a be a greater human being in this world you know it's an important lesson that you can't let your past define you because if you do you're stuck you're stuck with your earliest mistakes and you see that with some people they fuck up in high school and then they're they're that guy forever forever i mean you see it not even not even on the negative side you see that with some people. They fuck up in high school and then they're that guy forever. Forever. Forever.

I mean, you see it not even on the negative side. You see it on the positive side. You see somebody do something great and then they're on that fucking forever. Like, motherfucker. Like, no. You know? It comes to. And that's what the bad people don't see.

You know what I mean? Like, the people who fuck up. They don't see that. They don't see that good people do that too. You know what I mean? Like, bro, you're just, we're all the same. You're just walking a different path. And you can get on the right path.

You just got to focus. Find fucking help. Ask for help. And sometimes people do something really good and then they're scared to take any chances because they think that they did this one good thing. And they're not going to do it again. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, no they're not going to do it again. And that's the thing.

Like, no, you're going to do it, bro. I mean, I had some troubled times and this and that. And talking to my coach, he always told me this great piece of information. He always said, Max, you did it once. You can do it again. If you did something great, if you did something great in one thing, you can probably do it again if you did if you did if you was something great if you did something great in one thing you can probably do it again in another thing like like all the time like like i started from ground zero you can take everything you can strip me back down to fucking ground zero guess

what i'm gonna build myself right back up you know everybody keeps saying this and that about my last fights and whoa what about that what about this i'm like bro like i ain't scared of hard work and like let the man talk let him say you're still gonna do what they do but i ain't scared it took me fucking nine fight win streak to get an interim title and i mean shout out to my man dc being old for that again like i said and then other things to happen like i ain't scared of working hard you know like don't be scared and you and and people gotta understand that you're great like don't don't let that one thing define you like you should always you should always be looking how do I get better you know like imagine if imagine if you just was like oh Jerry I'm comfortable just talking to MMA fighters you know I mean then you wouldn't

fucking talk to cool fucking people like Elon Musk and shit. You know what I mean? Imagine if you put a – people, I guess, will cap themselves. They put the – you know what I mean? They put the – what is that? Limitations. Yeah, they put limitations on themselves. You know what I mean? And it's just crazy to me. It's just why.

But that's what makes you a champion. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people should think like that, though. That's the hard thing. It's funny because I'm talking to you and you remind me oh that's why you're you like even when i tell my coaches i tell them about something i'm like oh i see somebody doing something like what are you thinking what are they thinking like that and then like well most people don't think like you actually i'm like oh shit but what made you start thinking the way you think do you know i mean just uh i just i i gotta shout out to my grandpa i mean my grandpa he never ever he probably kicked my ass if he saw what i was doing for

living today like yeah he thought yeah he don't he didn't want us to play any sports he wanted us to be like hard-working men you know so he instilled hard work in us you know like his thing was like look you work hard you do hard you finish school maybe you go to college uh um you go find a really great job you you get your house you own your house you get a wife you uh you get kids and that's what you do like he just had it all planned out like he didn't want he didn't like us playing sports growing up like he he was all right with baseball but any contact sports is i mean like he he was totally against football and stuff, like, hitting heads and stuff. He's like, what the fuck are you doing, Dad? It's not going to help.

Like, he's one of those guys, not going to help you later on, you know? Like, he must be laughing at me. Don't you think he'd be proud of you, though? I know. He'd probably still kick my ass. I didn't say he wouldn't be proud. He'd still kick my ass, though. You know what I mean?

He'd be probably shitting. He'd be proud that he kicked my ass after that, you know? I never once said he wouldn't be proud, but he kicked my ass. But you think that is what instilled this hard work ethic? ass after that you know i never want to say it wouldn't be probably he kicked my ass but i think that is what instilled this hard work ethic him was him and then and then growing up i remember i think i told you this the first time we talked was when i told my grandma when i was ninth grade i was like grandma i'm gonna be a professional baseball player and she's like oh awesome and i was like yeah ain't it great like that was my goal

like for stuff and she was like yeah but well how you gonna pay for college because i don't have no money to put you to college and then and i was like she was like i forgot i thought i don't know and she's like you need a scholarship so she was like go get a scholarship do good so i started doing good in school and then i started watching like people older than me like where i'm from the winery where i'm from and like the other athletes and then all the guys who's gifted and good just kind of like just kind of being like whatever about it this and that or or like they're getting college offers from people and they're like ah you know i'm probably not gonna go because of my girlfriend or my mom and i always thought like fuck that you know that was my mind i was like no way i ain't i ain't never

letting nobody tell me i can't do or or i also the native part i see people tell them like or or their parents or their their uncles and stuff be like oh who you think you uh you think you can you can go and do that you know what's the difference between me and you like look i was where you was you know like and and that kind of negativity and that always fired me i always thought because i wasn't the guy. Like, most of these guys I'm talking about is that stat sheet of 99910s, whatever. Right. And they all had it.

And I used to be like, fuck, if I could just run faster, if I could just jump higher. And I always tell myself, when I get my opportunity, I'm not going to fucking, I'm not going to shake it. You know, I'm going to use it and take it. And that's what it was. Like, I saw even close family members, like, one of my cousins. Like, I fucking love him. Like, he's the one that pushed me to be it and take it. And that's what it was. I saw even close family members. One of my cousins. I fucking love him. He's the one that pushed me to be great all the time.

The reason why I went high school baseball. Because he was playing high school baseball. The reason why I was second base. He was second base. I just pushed him. He always pushed me to be great. You know what I mean? And then he got. This showed me from a different side

You know like he put his hands in In some people And then they told him the wrong information Then he lost his shot So I look at that as a different motivation Like holy shit Like fuck it's not only working hard and stuff It's fucking who you talk to and what you do

And the right steps you make Because my cousin when he did it Then he got the wrong information He wasn't able to do what he was supposed to do You know because of that And it was just a bunch of shit just growing up from high school time, just watching guys just lose their opportunity. And I was like, I was just heartbroken. I was like, bro, there's no fucking, I was like, there's no way.

Like, fuck, I want to like, not only make it out of Waianae, but I want to fucking move back to Waianae i live here and show guys and be like bro if i can do it if max holloway fucking tree down the line shot stat max holloway out of 10 can make it you can make it why not you because they're there if if i told you i was the best fighter out of my hood i would fucking be lying to you there's fucking great guys there's great guys that was coming me coming up but the difference between me and them was i made a decision that they all thought was fucking crazy like you know i knew i needed jujitsu and i told them i'm going over here for jujitsu this is what i need this is what i know is going to keep us in this is what i know is going to take me to the next level and a bunch of them said yeah you're fucking crazy and this and that like yeah right you're fucking unloyal you're leaving our team wow where your loyalty is and all this bullshit

nine years uh seven years later ufc champ this and that all of them asking all them telling me now oh i wish i went with you when we went you know and and i always told myself like fuck that i'm not gonna ever be that guy like look in the mirror and be like, what if I did this? Or what if I did that? Or what if, you know? Because I saw uncles. I saw guys, like, fucking state champs of our fucking football team, whatever. They worked a fucking job from Monday to Friday.

Friday night, they all sitting around drinking beers Talking to each other Being like Oh you met me in high school Yeah so killer Yeah Frank you remember what we did You know what I mean I always told myself Fuck that I don't give a shit

What the fuck I did in high school You know what I mean I go back to tell kids I go back to tell kids It's cool It's cool being YNAI famous It's cool It's cool

Actually uncle Actually state champ Whatever Whatever it is It's cool being YNA actually uncle actually a state champ whatever anti whatever it is it's cool being why not famous but we can go to sweden and i have fans over there we go to fucking las vegas people know me i'm fucking rocking on the side of the road in la people stop to take my picture what the fuck is more cool getting a picture being have something history why not or if i get in all the world you know and that's what I told him you know and then I tell him

why not you why not you and then cause it's just so negativity you know we just come from a negative place it's not even

it's not even people hitting down why not it really be your own people you start hearing stuff and it hurts your feelings

you know but at the end of the day I just wanted to show like fuck we can do it you know I came from it's not

the one thing that I told Teddy to him, like, it's not where you train. It's not where you get your education, not where it is. It helps. Don't get me wrong. But it's how you do it. It's how you apply yourself in certain situations, how you're going to go after certain things. And that was the thing that made me want to be great. going to go after certain things and and that was the thing that made me uh made me want to be great i just saw so much people let go their talents and use it or let make other people do mistakes

and then they start blaming people and i always wanted to tell myself i was like fuck no i ain't i ain't blaming i ain't blaming nobody if i screw up i'm gonna be able to look in the mirror and screw up it's just that's the way i attack my fights you know if i go out there i lose at least i can look myself in the mirror and say you gave it all you got max that's all you can do that guy beat the best max holiday was that night but i want to see that motherfucker try again because i'm coming back you know what i mean it's interesting how some of the best lessons you learn from other people's mistakes oh yeah oh and and ain't that the greatest you know like and and and it's funny because there's a bunch of stuff that i do try to help some people coming up and i tell them look let's do this or try this or

try that and they don't they don't try it and i'm like motherfucker like i did it i went i went i'm going to what you just went through like i know i'm going to it for like walk for walk and and and i went do it and i'm telling, I'm the person that did it. I'm telling you, like, try this. And then they don't do it. And I'm like, oh, man. And then I think back. I'm like, fuck.

Maybe you got to let them go through that because I needed that. Like, when I go back into myself and I think, like, frick, yeah, why are you the savior? Like, let them do that. If they don't want to listen, they don't want to listen. You know, you can take the horse to the rail, but you can't force them to drink you know i mean and and if they want to go that hard way cool look i'm over here i'm telling you fucking this is mario kart land jump in this fucking pipe you come up another one is right there the finish line bro or you can walk past it and you gotta fucking go through everything a bunch of mushroom the turtles

attacking your ass yeah some people have to learn from their own mistake and that's the only way because they see a guy like you and they want to believe that they're smarter than you oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah that's funny when you say that yeah that's funny because then they're like who the fuck are you you know they want to believe like i don't have to listen to him i can do it this way i can do it that way you know it's interesting too that like when you're saying that your uh physical skills if you looked at like speed or your power, it's like a three down the line. What's interesting is that fighting is a unique sport in that you can dominate people with your mind and your work ethic and your technique and your skill. Whereas if you were in track and field…

You need those things. You need them. Yeah, yeah. you can't be threes you can't you can't beat somebody with your mind unless you talk the shit out of them you get in them in the race day but even then i'm gonna eat your feet if you're a chimpanzee i'll bite your finger yeah your fucking dick is mine but if if you if you're racing against like Usain Bolt

or something like that man it don't matter it don't matter he's just got these gifts yeah and he works hard too yeah and that's but yeah

at that level everybody working hard but then and then when you got the 10-10 stats and you fucking got crazy like Usain Bolt did you hear his story

like he made his own freaking what is that that recovery thing like the the thing that helps you with your uh recovery you lay in that barrel thing like uh oh the yeah no the ever late the uh sensory deprivation tank hyperbaric chamber hyperbaric he made his own hyperbaric i think there's i don't know he built his own i people was telling

me about it and i thought it was a crazy shit but he's like poor and stuff and he fucking built this can thing that he lined it helped him i was like how the fuck does hyperbaric chambers is supposed to be amazing for recovery have you ever used one i used the one yeah yeah i loved it i loved it it was like you just feel refreshed you know like it's so it's so expensive but i think i think the best recovery thing that i like is uh is like is like a normal something, you know, when you put it on. Yes. Yeah, I love those. It's like, bro, my legs can be like just hammered, hammered.

You put that on, you feel like you're ready to go 10 more rounds. That company, Hyperice, they make a lot of great shit. They make these vibrating balls too. Oh, yeah. I had one of those. I had it when it was like the first one when it dropped out. And now it's just crazy. We have a whole rack of them out here. Yeah, yeah. The other day, I twe one of those. I had it when it was like the first one, when it dropped out. And now it's just crazy.

We have a whole rack of them out here. Yeah, yeah. The other day, I tweaked my back. I tried to get a quick workout in with kettlebells, and I didn't warm up enough. I just started swinging kettlebells and shit. And I'm like, ooh, what is that? And I came in here and put that thing on. And I was like, brrrr. Yeah.

And I laid it and put it on the ground and rolled it on my back. It's like, ahhh. But it just popped. I could hear things popping. Like, hear things popping. Like, hear things popping loose. You sure you didn't? I know,

I don't know. I don't know if you did work out, but did you sneeze first? Because that's the main thing. Is that good? No, if you sneeze, you threw your back up like DC.

Oh, like DC? I'm older than him. I'm older than DC, man. But I don't hurt my back when I sneeze. But you can. I fucked my neck up once in, this was back when I had hair.

Reaching for shampoo in the shower. Didn't make any sense. I was training jujitsu almost every day. But that's why. I'm like, ah, what the fuck? But that's why you got hurt. Because you're training jujitsu every day. But I was reaching for shampoo, not getting neck cranked.

Who knows? Your body must have think like, oh, my God, somebody's shoulder is supposed to be here and it's just used to the moment. It's like, ah, ah. I don't know what it was, but it's one of those weird things. Like sometimes you just aren't paying attention. You bend over to pick something up and pop, something goes in your hamstring. It's weird.

Yeah, it is weird, man. The human body is so complex. Yeah. It's frustrating, frustrating right it's just crazy so do you do hyperbaric chambers as a part of your regular recovery when you're in camp no i did it a long time ago we had uh like this uh had this rich guy that used to like train at where we used to train and he just kind of had one at his house and then he just brang it you can get one at your house yeah it's like this little this little middle machine like like middle machine

pump thing and then it's that it's a big tube one. I don't know what brand it is. When you get in that, if you want to get out, do you have to have someone get you out? No, the zipper is two-sided, so you can zip from the inside and outside. Oh, well, that's good. It's a two-sided zipper, yeah. That always freaked me out about hyperbaric chambers.

You're in that thing, you know? It's weird. I hate it, you know? you're in that you're in that thing you know it's weird i i hate it you know like i do so much like uh doctor stuff like blood tests and scans and whatever i just feel like a lab rat i fucking hate it bro you're just lying down on shit all the time especially mris is like ding ding ding ding ding ding ding and like bro you hear the shit you got earplugs in i'm like bro and you're in there for like 45 minutes they're like uh mr holloway stop moving i'm like fuck i'm like i'm falling asleep and twitching that's why you know i mean like what the like okay i'm gonna stay up for 45 minutes it's so irritating lying right here

so those things are very loud in in that thing i don't know how you can fall asleep in there i don't know it's a gift me and my son has this give me you know you know rush he fought so um when he's when he goes to my fight and it's late, when some of the fights, the pay-per-view cards in the East Coast especially, he falls asleep

during the main cards. Really? Right before my fight, he's knocked out. He's knocked out right there. This is like, he fell asleep during when

Cowboy fought, not Cowboy, but Cub Swanson fought Doohu Choi. Really? Yeah. That was a crazy fight. And everybody's screaming and shit and he's just like sleeping the whole time too.

You know what I mean? Like fucking kid's a legend. That's hilarious. Yeah, I don't know. We just have like, my fiance always tells me that, like you just have a fucking gift that you can sleep wherever you want

and whatever you like. I was like, I don't know. When I got to sleep, I got to sleep. Recovery is important. You just go to sleep. Also, you you train so hard you're probably always kind of a little tired yeah just i'm just exhausting and just what you said is like it's a different exhaust is like i i explain to people it's like bro i get so mentally tired

sometimes after training because like i just so focused or even like playing video games like i'm so focused that when i come off and i my fans is like i don't get none of you you just come down from upstairs and you fucking go to sleep i'm like i'm sorry babe whatever it's like yeah well give me that energy that you give because i'm like yo what's up streamy stream you know like i'm just going crazy you know like that's like you suck you know like whatever playing whatever and then and as soon as it's done it's just i'm just mentally exhausted you know like i'm just thinking like because then you got to think of what you move and where it goes because it's kind of there is most uh parts where it is high paces like okay there's a fucking box right here i gotta

go right this guy this guy could go left right up down like i fucking i got a jump shot drop shot you know it's just stupid stuff and you you use consoles only i use pc i play pc oh okay so you mouse and a keyboard i use no i i'm fucking i cannot my i don't think i don't think i'm that much i think so you got to go live it more into crazy land i'm for that like my brain my brain don't it doesn't work like that i'm all controller but controllers aren't as accurate i mean i yeah i don't that's what people say but i feel fine so do you think i mean are the best players pc guys with a mouse there's there's some guys that there's there's some guys that play pc and

some guys that play controller that's just like neck and neck so jamie what do you think that's i mean the guy he's talking about earlier nick mercs he plays with the controller yeah good luck yeah yeah z laner bro try and try and search out this guy is he the best guy he's really good they're really good there are people that are really good there's videos of

little kids playing Fortnite on an iPad they don't have a controller they're using like the mobile version but they're playing against everyone on keyboard

and fucking them up what yeah just swiping on the screen those goddamn kids though fucking next level kids are next level they're crazy as shit

they can do things they adapt yeah they adapt so quick they don't have any information in their head they don't have mortgages they never got laid It's fucking next level. Kids are next level. They're crazy as shit. They can do things. They adapt. Yeah, they adapt so quick. They don't have any information in their head. They don't have mortgages. They never got laid. They don't know shit.

I ain't thinking of nothing, yeah. But I would always imagine that you can't be as accurate with your thumbs as you can move in a mouse. Because that's how it is in Quake. I mean, you get somewhat aim assist, right? Do you have that extra controller, Max? Do you have the extra buttons on it? I use a C40 Astro, and we get panels behind to jump, and then I use one side to sprint. That's the only – I've never, ever used those.

You probably haven't either. They have extra buttons. Oh. Your extra fingers that aren't being used can do stuff. Oh, okay. So instead of going like all the stuff, like I'm just – my fingers is always – my thumbs is always on top of my joysticks, no matter what. And so – and it's all automatic in your head now. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. So instead of going like all that stuff, like I'm just, my fingers is always, my thumbs is always on top of my joysticks no matter what. And so, and it's all automatic in your head now.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The craziest thing, did you ever see like one of my friends play? It's called Claw. They hold the fucking controller like this, bro. It's so weird. Like after a couple of times I tease him. His name is Bird too, so it's funny. How does he hold it?

He holds the controller like this. And then they play the, like Claw right there. You claw right there you see so weird why would you do that so you never have to move your thumb you don't have to move your thumb at all it takes like you lose milliseconds when you move that thumb off of there to hit another button and that's like if you moved your hand off your mouse like why would you ever do that yeah you wouldn't so you're moving left right and all that shit with which side with the left thumb and then you yeah and then the right time you your right thumb you're aiming and then so you're touching with like the side of your fingers bro i don't know you're talking to a fuck that i just buy

a controller with extra buttons oh okay so these are for people who don't use the extra buttons yeah or some people they buy the extra button they still play like that it's weird maybe just get used to it people get accustomed to all kinds of weird things you know you get accustomed to doing things wrong i remember when i was uh teaching martial arts one of the hardest things was teaching a guy who learned how to kick the wrong way like i could take someone who didn't know how to kick at all oh i get them so much easier but if you took someone who came from some janky school that didn't really know what they were doing and they developed some weird way of kicking and i'd be like oh man like this is harder than teaching someone who doesn't know anything it's mechanics is when i mean you should you should you see different people from different schools jiu-jitsu

schools like they're doing the armbar and shit and they're like going from step one to step six they're like are you fucking crazy like you're you're insane you're captain insane right now i don't know whatever crazy land you're in you're you're in the wrong one bro come on back well that's why it's so important to learn technique correctly you gotta learn it correctly the first time you see it with punches you see with kicks you see with everything jujitsu everything it's like you have to learn it right yeah and that's why i like yeah you get creative after yeah it's always it's always hard uh uh training someone or teaching someone something that that they've already been taught before so you're trying to

teach them the right way so it's always hard but if you just get a blank paper and you tell them to do this they're going to do it you know yeah the thing is like under pressure when when someone learns something the wrong way and then under pressure, like sparring when they're tired or something like that, that's when the bad technique comes out. Yeah, but even that, yeah, it's the same thing as when you take that person and you finally get them trying the right way and then the pressure comes in and then they just remember they did 1,000 reps in the wrong way.

That 1,000 reps get caught up. Especially guys that keep their head up in the air and their chin reps in the wrong way that's all the reps get caught up you know especially guys that keep their head up in the air yeah and their chin up in the air when they when they panic yeah because they just got so used to training like this and then you get them used to this and then when shit when they start slugging they're like you know it's like no bro don't do that do you think you'll ever be a trainer i i don't know you know i i everybody i always tell my coaches or even everybody else that like when i'm done No, bro, don't do that. Do you think you'll ever be a trainer? I don't know. I always tell my coaches or even everybody else that when I'm done fighting, I want to be away from the game.

I don't want to have to do nothing about it. Maybe sit down cage side with you at some time and just talk the shit with you and just do it. If we ever do a show in Hawaii and you're not on the card, you've got to do commentary. Oh, yeah, 100%. I'm going i'm gonna fucking yeah we have stuff so we see what happens but i don't know every time i do coach and everybody's like oh you're such a good blah blah this and or they tell me oh you're pretty good this and that and i'm like fuck i just don't want to be around it you know like because it's so overwhelming yeah i'm just at that i'm just at that level where it's

like frick i don't i don't want to be a part of the game you know it's like you know like colby you know like when he wanted to get off he had certain things lined up already you know to to get away from the game of basketball and then his daughter put it back in but that's how i want to be you know if rush want to do it maybe you know maybe but even that i don't even want to be his coach because so close yeah you're so close you know yeah it's too much on the line so we see you know we see i i never say never you know i'm a big justin bieber fan so who knows do you other than video games do you have anything that you could see yourself doing when you retire um i don't i don't know maybe maybe like i like I like talking stuff. Maybe call you up and harass you to see how podcasts go.

You know what I mean? Yeah, why not, man? That kind of stuff. Talk story with people. But I'm not as smart as you. Like, I'm just sitting out there, Joe, and you're, like, telling me stories about how the human brain came because they're eating fucking people's eating mushrooms out of cow manure and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, the fuck takes their time to watch this i'm like what is this and then and i watch and then i watch the podcast and you're just saying shit yo i'm like

fuck this is but it's the same thing as training yeah if you went back to me in 2009 when i first started doing the podcast i was an idiot i learned how to do this better i just learned things i've been doing this 11 years so it's like 11 years of having conversations with very smart people and then reading a lot of shit and watching a lot of documentaries and i retain information that's all it is yeah see that's crazy that you uh that you said that because then a lot of people is like i was talking to shop before i came i talked to shop a little bit and uh a lot of people they see your meet your your uh your deal that you signed with spotify and they're like what the fuck like what the hell i

can have that and then and then it's like dummies like i put 11 years of work out there this is what they're buying the 11 years of work you stupid asses you know like people don't get it it's also one thing that i always tell these comics and most of them don't listen i'm like do more do more shows yeah like you don't have to do one a week why are you doing one a week when you can do four a week yeah do four or five don't burn out yeah but just keep doing it like the more you do it the better you get it it's just like jujitsu or anything else anything you do like i told people like it sucks now for hawaii Hawaii because since they sanctioned fights down there. Like, when I was coming up as a kickboxer, it had no, what is that called?

What the fuck is that? Athletic commission. Athletic commission. So, it had none. So, people could just put fights every, bro, had like four fights a week. Really? You know what I mean? I remember one kickboxing fight, fought friday and i fought saturday

wow i waited on friday the same day as one of my fights but that's when you walked around the way you fought you know i just kickboxed and i did this like not that much people know i had like freaking like maybe like i don't know like 80 to 90 80 to 100 fights before even like turning professional really you know i mean like i had 10 MMA amateur fights, I think, or whatever. Maybe a little bit more. But my kickboxing fights to, like, just even, like, even, like, exhibition fights that you just fight because I just want to, like, you know, for me, for my reason,

like, I knew I wanted to fight, but I also, I didn't have money, so I wanted to get in the fights for free and watch the fights and hang out with my friends, you know? But I just want to tell you, like, knowledge is everything like like i fought hurt i i kicked someone and my toes started hurting and i had to figure out a way i punched someone and i stopped throwing that punch which made me lose the fight and then later on i i you come to this mental agreement you're like bro if this happens again you gotta freaking keep fighting, you know? Versus, like, a lot of these guys, they just have no amateur,

these things so they can become pro. And then when they run into this big problem, it affects them a lot because they didn't know how to deal with it at first, you know? So, yeah, it just goes to the take of that. Like, why not do more, you know what I mean? Sometimes less is more when you get a little bit closer to where you want to be but in the beginning man especially amateurs i tell guys like bro experience who the hell cares yeah your amateur record is is you know like in nine and nine and six no one cares because once you turn pro it's zero and zero you know like

if you're over here like oh and a hundred i'd be like oh brother you know i mean let's have a talk i mean like come on you know like but but come on there comes a different way you lose all your decisions and stuff but you're learning but you're learning it's all it's all learning so when you get to the big show it all counts now you know like i see people like i just want to be pro i want to make money i'm like it's with everything not the way. It's with everything, man. It's with everything. I used to see it in jiu-jitsu. I would train, especially when I was real busy.

I'd train once or twice a week. And then there would be guys in the gym that were training five days a week. And man, I'd see them get so much better than me. I was like, yep, that's just what it is. It's just what it is. And that's the most beautiful thing, especially about jiu-jitsu. The thing that I love about jiu-jitsu is that you just see normal guys, whatever, and they're just getting great at something.

And then most of these motherfuckers just look like, they just look like, you know, like, I love them. They're my friends. But they look like weirdos. You know what I mean? They just look like weirdos. Like, the type of weirdos that you see at the club and be like, yeah, I'm going to punk this guy in front of my girl to make me look cool.

And you punked the wrong one because you just got choked out and your girl got stolen so it's funny legitimately not not a wise move a lot of these fucking nerds are straight up killers did you see that video these two football players i did on these guys i did i did you see this guy he's got a bloody nose like i don't know what happened before i think i forced i think i think so the reason why he did something i think so that guy hit him first yeah and i was like bro this is self-defense you know 100 so he's got a bloody nose and you see the other guy pushes him he's like okay time to show you and that guy is like the that guy is like he was like the man i think so he was like the football player at a college or something there like he was the man

around town so whoops you know i mean like you try to go over there trying to be like the man that doesn't help and then you got a viral video of you like i don't even know if you're starting like ben askren but yeah but look his nose is already bleeding right so something already happened and him and the other guy play this because i love this video can you not play in the background i didn't have it ready to go oh can you press that button oh it's fake okay so oklahoma player bar fight so these fucking guys are obviously these the smaller guys not trying to start a fight and you see his friends like come on bitch and he pushes them yeah you better listen to your friends so he's talking to the other guy okay you take the big guy and you see him push him and he touches the blood on his nose and just punches that guy ducks under look at this takedown beautiful boom and the other guy. They're like, okay, you take the big guy. And you see him push him and he touches the blood on his nose and just punches that guy.

Ducks under. Look at this takedown. Beautiful. Boom. And the other guy's got the other friend and he doesn't know what the fuck to do.

He's got him wrapped up. Look at this dude. Takes his back with cowboy boots on, son. He's got cowboy boots on taking this dude's back. Gets the hooks in. Watch this one.

Watch this one here. He gets slammed. That guy to the right side of the watch. In his head and everything. Yeah, the big guy. Yeah. Well, this is his friend who took the second guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh, you're dead. Yeah, here it comes. You're dead. Keep punching until you knock out. Well, look, he grabs his collar.

He's choking him out with his own sleeve. Oh, yeah. He collar chokes him. Boom. You're dead. Yeah, he gets slammed into the wall, and he gets pounded. And now people are, but the cowboy boots are the finishing touch. It's hilarious.

That is so sick. But these two assholes that started this whole shit, you can clearly see they're fucking with these dudes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You clearly see it. Videos like that make me feel good. I like it. I mean, I.

I don't like when people get beat up, but I do like when people get beat up when they deserve it. When you like i i could see if he was pushing him exactly and being the punk but exactly it's it's funny because like i would say at least 95 of people who know how to protect themselves in that situation is doing the right thing and trying to go you know like these videos go viral because somebody is over zealous they think so they're somebody in life they think they can take you exactly and then they find out the wrong way and then now you're in the wrong because you're giving him what the hell he wanted you know i mean that's gonna stay with him forever that's millions and millions and millions of views oh yeah he's not he's not getting drafted. Being an asshole. Him being an asshole and a smaller guy with cowboy boots on fucking him up.

You got to live with that. That's amazing. He deserved it. That's one of those things. He deserved it. He's probably fine. He probably got some bruises on his face and his ego is more fucked up than anything. And maybe he'll learn some jiu-jitsu now.

But leave people alone, man. Leave them alone. And then maybe you become more humble because now you can just let them go like the people who don't bro the loudest guy in the room is the one that you don't have to be worried for you hear somebody yapping and you can fight you look for that guy because you know he ain't doing nothing he ain't doing nothing his weapon is already being used it's his words yeah when when you go back and you live in winai still right yes so is but is it weird walking around in your neighborhood i mean do you get swarmed not really i mean everybody everybody see me like

i'm there all the time so it's fine you know i mean like it's normal yeah it's really fine you know it's like if if lebron go back to uh akron i heard that people don't really care people don't lose their minds or everybody yeah yeah people say like he can just sit down at any restaurant and he's fine over there and that's his hometown because that's when they watch him play basketball from when he's a young kid you know but i would imagine like you just can't get any time to yourself like people are knocking on your door hey max i'm here how did you do it yeah yeah hey max tell me what to do i mean it's all right it's uh i i have to beat sometimes you know when i went my son like we get kind of overwhelmed of overwhelmed, but it's not really local locals.

It's most of the time that people who's coming in and they see us out. But yeah, because I'm always on our side of the island. You know what I mean? I stay low-key, but low-key doing stuff for my family, but I'm not freaking. Do people knock on your door? No, no, no. Only people who know where I live and then some people

they kind of trying to guess but they kind of respect it so it's super cool well that's good yeah it's super cool people are super nice

yeah it's super cool you gotta be like a hero to the neighborhood yeah it's always cool seeing the kids as soon as they they know my car I drive

so I'm driving to what kind of car you drive? I have a Tesla and it doesn't help that I fucking wrapped it the most loudest

color in the world what color it's this red it's like a matte it's terrible I know I like it it's like a

it's like a matte chrome though so like when the when the sun hits it it's like a it's like a chrome delete so then whenever the kids and you just see them all fucking shocking on their stuff

and fucking trying to do pop-a-wheelies next to them, I'm like, okay, don't fall in the middle of the road so I don't bang you. But it's just awesome seeing, you know. Hopefully one of the kids that I see playing or whatever, they fucking be something great, you know. And I get to be a part of that because they said, like, oh, I saw you doing this and that. You know, I'll be the fucking greatest feeling in the world well it's got to be to them a real inspiration because if you one of the things you were talking about where people you grow up in a toxic environment where everybody's always complaining and no one ever does anything and they get jealous of other people if they see a guy who's positive who makes it you change it

yes change the culture change and that's what we try to do you know like it's just funny you know i had these talks people tell me oh when you move out why not blah blah this and that i'm like frick man i can't ever i think of it like maybe i should for training because i gotta drive like 45 minutes or something to training to the gym you know traffic maybe an hour but it's like man like i'm like uh do i really want to do that like i just love that this fucking city is just a part of me like i just love being here you know like there's this drive like there's this hill that you come over when you start coming to waianae to nanakuli like you can see the sunset and stuff and i see it all the time i'm like bro i can't give this up

like this is what i want and then and i just always wanted to be the person like i remember people telling me like you're not gonna ever if like, be great in fighting, you need to move. You know, like, this is, look, look, oh, BJ moved. He trained in Cali or this and that. Like, yeah, he's back home, but he moved first. And I always wanted to tell everybody, like, fuck that. I don't have to move anywhere. I'm going to be great from here.

And then same thing where I'm from. Like, why move out? You know, like like if it was super dangerous don't get me wrong you know it's not crazy dangerous but if it's super dangerous why yeah i would think of it but why not you know it's not it's not that crazy and it can be crazy but then you know i'd i'd been there my whole life everybody know who i am and and just being there and and sitting in there is like is that kid kid, is like, the kid's like, oh look,

he still lives here so I can fucking maybe live here and do it from here, you know? And really change the culture that way. And really change it and that's what you do,

you know, you surround yourself with whatever you want to be, you know? Like if you, Stanley Shandem, if you got five genius friends, you know,

the next, if you're hanging out with them all the time, then, you know, you're probably going to become the next genius. If all your friends got business owners, their own business owners, guess what? You're probably going to be the sixth business owner of your group.

That's just what happens. You are who you surround yourself with. That's got to be true. I mean you must have a positive impact on those kids. Especially when they hear something like this, where you're talking about your work ethic, you're talking about how you value time, you value your trainer's time, you value your own time.

Those are massive lessons for a young kid because sometimes when you're a kid, all you hear is dumb lessons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see a bunch of dumb people. And the thing is, and it's funny because then I was able to, it's been super hard lately to get to the intermediate and talk. But on career day, I used to do career day a bunch. And when I would go there, I would go to my classroom with the same teacher, with the same table layout. And I used to tell them, I used to sit right there.

And I would tell them, I used to sit right there and i i would tell them i used to sit right there when i was in class but guess where i was i was fucking with my counselor fucking doing stupid shit you know i'm like and like what you was a bad kid i was like uh mr smoldis is his name i was like ask mr smoldis i was the most terrible kid ever what does he say he's like yes he was i was a bro i was a i was just i was just hanging out with they still my friends to today but we i think so we all can sit down in a group and just agree that we were jackasses yeah we were just fucking the we had three of us with the three musketeers of doing dumb stupid stuff all the time and um and yeah and when i was in class that was my chair i'll tell them but i was always with the

counselor and i told him look one thing that you guys can see is it's back to not it's not how you start it's how you finish you know i mean when i came to ninth grade i know i needed grades i needed that i really turned it around you know i mean that's when i was in eighth grade and and i was we was crazy i was like i was just stupid. 7th, 8th grade, just 7th grade. I only passed 7th grade because somehow the teacher feels so touched for me because I was a dummy, but he knew I was a good kid. He'd come on weekends and help me with my reading and stuff. Really?

For pass, yeah. His name was Mr. Arcana. It was math and reading and all that stuff. He'd help me with anything I needed, to be honest. Well, shout out to him. Yeah, he was the man. Sometimes a good teacher like that change your life.

I had fucking great teachers. I had him. I had my freaking, my ninth grade teacher, Mr. Corey. He's still a family friend and stuff of us. But like, they used to just shake me up.

And then I had a a Des Moines teacher, Mr. Gray. He helped me like, i i was i sucked at mad i saw i sucked in school like i i graduated cum laude that's like 3.4 or something you need a 3.5 to all year or 3.2 i think from ninth grade to senior i graduated cum laude and uh the only reason is because it is because of these teachers Mr. Gray in ninth grade, like, we had two recesses. We had a 15-minute recess and then we had a 30-minute lunch or something like that. And he would let me come in his class and he'd help me with my work all the time.

You know what I mean? Because he just knew I was fucking. My thing was, like, I was playing baseball at the time. My thing was, like, I just finish all my work, finish my homework of what I can now. So I can go out to the baseball field and just think about baseball shit and just get good in baseball shit you know and then when i go home and stuff i just eat dinner i go sleep instead of fucking everybody's like i'm doing stuff it's like oh i have this project due tomorrow holy shit i was like did you start no it's like what the hell we

practice started four we ended like six or seven and then you gotta go sleep by like nine o'clock or ten you know what i mean for actually good sleep to wake up the next day you know but these guys staying up late and stuff like bro i got that covered already i'm good you know time time and i was just trying to just you know like and it's kind of irritating it can help with my personal life sometimes like i'm about like saving time and stuff so i'm like okay babe i'm like okay i'll drop you off here can you can you run in there when i'm gonna drive a little bit down the road and grab this stuff and then she's like no no she's like this is too crazy this is fucking time shit it's crazy right now it's like this is all just go as a family and do it i'm like why this is faster we can get here

faster you know it's uh it can be great but it also can be a fucking pain in the ass at times you know yeah but look what it's done for you, though. Whatever pain in the ass it is, look what it's done for you. It's undeniable. That respect for time is probably out of all the positive shit that you've said today, that's one of the most important lessons, the respect for time. Hard work, but respect for time. And part of respect for time is work hard during that time yeah and

and so you do you know like uh i mean who would like who would want to fucking be like okay i'm gonna take a private with you and you see this guy just being a jackass you know i mean like fuck it's like bro like what are you doing you know i mean so yeah it's just time is super important man like i yeah i'm super bad i'm super big on this you just cannot you cannot give nobody back time that's crazy right it's true as but you can take the shit load of time up yeah you can waste it you can waste it but you can yeah never ever never ever unless elon you, unless you talk to Elon off, Mike, and his alien ass knows something. You know what I mean?

I don't think so. Well, listen, brother, it's always a pleasure to sit down and talk to you. I really appreciate you coming down here, man. And, again, your last fight inspired the shit out of me, man. It really did. I carried that fight around me for a few days. It really did. Just thinking about it.

I love when people just achieve a new level. I love watching something like that. I mean, it's one of the things about the sport. What's so fascinating is watching people develop and grow and figure things out and just seeing the fruits of their labor and the fruits of their hard work and your last fight in particular man was spectacular thank you that's awesome it means a lot

coming from someone like you my man so thank you for inviting me I know we had some hiccups but we're here so thank you so much my pleasure brother thank you very much thank you so much. My pleasure, brother. Thank you very much. Thank you, brother. Goodbye, everybody.