The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #104 with Cory Sandhagen

Episode Date: March 5, 2021

Joe is joined by Cory Sandhagen, a professional mixed martial artist competing in the UFC's Bantamweight division.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day mr sandhagen we're up we're up thank you sir thanks for being here man yeah absolutely thank you what so what are you telling me jamie there's a ufo yesterday yeah uh nfl popular quarterback we're for the cleveland browns former number one pick and heisman winner yeah i think he lives in austin in the offseason and he uh saw a potential ufo last night he says he says almost 100 m and i just saw a ufo drop straight out of the sky on our way home from dinner we stopped and looked at each other and asked if either of us saw it very bright ball of light going straight down out of the sky towards Lake Travis.

Could have been a drone. Could have been some kids. He's a football player? Yeah. Are we going to believe him because he's famous? Yeah, that's the only reason. I just got a lot of attention as well. Well, he's famous, so you listen to his Twitter, I guess.

I don't know. Have you ever seen anything crazy? No. No? I don't think crazy um when i'm up in the mountains sometimes camping or whatever i'll see i feel like some shooting stars and some yeah stars you know fall which actually now that i'm saying it might be a little bit crazy so maybe i have seen some shit i don't know everybody wants to think they did right i want to think i've seen something crazy but i definitely haven't i thought i did when i was a kid but now i think i was probably lying yeah you know when i think about it when i was a kid i was probably full of shit i probably wanted it you know i'm saying like i probably saw like a military jet and i thought and i wanted it to be something cool like i remember the first time i ever saw a stealth bomber we were filming

fear factor and it was over palm and palmdale which is near edwards air force base if i didn't know what that was i would 100 think that was from another planet yeah you know when you see the thing black wing flying overhead it's like it's pretty badass yeah yeah i don't think i would you know i think that my brain would just immediately be like ah something can explain that yeah you know yeah well that's the problem with anything like that it's like it's the idea that you're looking at something from another planet is so it's so outside of what you see every day you don't know where to put it it's getting less outside though right right it's getting less outside which is weird what's up with the uh because i remember you saying something about it on the podcast what's up with that bill that bill that passed that said that they have to release whatever information they have to release about?

It's the COVID relief bill. And inside the COVID relief bill, I think it was the CIA. They gave the Central Intelligence Agency 180 days or something like that to release all the information that they have about UFOs. Where are we at on that? I don't know. It's a good question. What day are we on? They don't have to release all the information that they have about ufos where where are we at on that i don't know it's a good question what day are we on they're not they don't have to release no yeah they're not really say that they go oh this is what we got we got a blurry picture get the fuck out of my office yeah yeah we're not gonna know anything yeah the idea that they're gonna tell these senators and all these elected people what they know they're not telling them shit unless

these elected people what they know they're not telling them shit unless the aliens told them that they have 180 days to tell everyone maybe right now you're talking if trump didn't tell everybody we're not gonna know yeah you know yeah that's true i think i remember when chris rock was talking about obama and he was talking about obama people were disappointed in obama's first administration and he said you got to wait until the second term and that's when you do some really gangster shit and obama didn't do any gangster shit in the second term but if trump got elected again in 2024 because you can only do it twice if he got elected again in 2024 maybe he would tell us you know recount the votes Maybe get on TV and that's the first shit he talks about right away. Here's what the article is.

Okay. Included as a committee comment on the Intelligence Authorization Act, the committee directs the director of the National Intelligence in consultation with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of such other agencies to submit a report within 180 days of the date of enactment of the act to the congressional intelligence and armed services committees on uaps why can't they just say ufos unidentified aerial phenomenon what's the difference unidentified flying object they got tired of using that so they changed it to uap why they gotta fuck with us i don't know man uap words change all

the time they have to i guess i guess well listen man uh let's get to you you've been on a fucking tear lately son you really have it's it's super impressive the marlonlon Marais KO, the Frankie Edgar KO. You have looked fucking sensational. I figured some shit out. Yeah, what did you figure out? Well, it's a lot, I think, but it might be a bit of a long-winded answer. Let's go. I love a long-winded answer. There's a lot of steps that I think had to take place,

but I think the first thing is I had to realize that you can't just walk into a cage and be flat as fuck and expect to compete with the best guys in the world. So how were you flat? Like you weren't warmed up enough? No, no, no. Well, that's what, you know, I don't know. Maybe it was a warm-up a little bit.

Maybe that had something to do with it. But I think that there's just a level of intensity that you have to be in if me and someone else are going to stand in a locked cage and we have to beat each other up really badly. You have to be at a certain level of intensity for that. And how were you previously approaching it? So previously I didn't have, okay, so let's, let's go back to maybe before the Sterling fight, because after the Sterling fight is when I,

I learned a lot of, of stuff. So before I didn't need to do a lot in order to get at that level of intensity, right? Like I, I don't really know why that is but um it didn't take a lot in me in order for me to get to that performance level against Sterling for for whatever reason uh and I don't want to make up any excuses or anything out uh I almost said Alistair because we were just talking about him but uh Aljamain was better than me um on night, and that's why I lost. But for whatever reason, man, in the back, I was just really flat. Do you think you got too comfortable? I think I was too comfortable.

I think I underestimated him. I think that it was during the COVID times, and I wasn't using as many training partners. Sparring sessions weren't nearly what they used to be in a team gathering. It was like I had two or three training partners and that's who I went in and sparred with at a separate time. And maybe that had something to do with it, too. Is that purposeful or is that that's all that was available because people weren't training as much because of COVID? How did you? Yeah, so that was like March or April.

So that was like when everything was really hot with covid. So, yeah, it was it was just because, you know, all the gyms were shut down. Everyone was being really safe because everyone was kind of like, you know, however they were feeling about covid. And so I think maybe that had something to do with it, too. But regardless, you know, he earned that win. And when I went into that fight, it wasn't a matter of, because you hear guys say all the time, or at least I try to listen to as many interviews as I can and just kind of watch the demeanors of people when they walk into the cage.

And you hear guys say, you just see that people are competing at different intensity levels all the time. Some people go in and they're like this, you know, and they're ready to go. And then other people walk in like they just woke up from a nap. And so I try to learn by just watching. And on that night, I felt really relaxed and I felt really comfortable and really present. really relaxed and I felt really uh comfortable and really present um and I realized that that's not where I need to be in order for me to be able to compete at my

highest level did it have anything to do with the fact there was no crowd was that unusual for you to compete in front of no crowd did it feel different I would say there was a lot of really unusual things happening, you know. Maybe, you know, maybe. To be completely honest with you and candid, I think I just underestimated Aljamain a lot, you know. I didn't really take too much into consideration that he has, I don't know how many UFC fights. Like the guy has been under the UFC lights a lot of time,

and that makes a big difference and uh that was a huge mistake on my part and and I think that it led to the mentality that I went into that fight with and I remember when I was in the cage feeling all you know feeling really relaxed uh I remember when Sterling walked in the cage and his intensity was you know at the highest that you know you could probably imagine because you feel the energy of people. When you're in a space that you're ready to fight someone, I think that you read body language better. I think that you read people's energy a little bit better.

When I was reading his energy, I was like, wow, that is way more intense than where I am right now. He's about to fight in just a couple days, Piotr Jan for the Bantamweight title. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I've obviously thought about it a lot because I've been asked about it a lot. But I keep going back and forth,

but I've been watching the Embeddeds. I've been watching both of their trainings and stuff, their countdowns. And I don't know why, but after watching those, I really have a lot of confidence that Sterling's going to win. Really? I do. Maybe because I'm biased as shit because Sterling beat me. Not only that, but also because Jan is doing a lot of calling out of TJ. And I think that that's kind of lame, you know? Do you think he's doing that just because TJ's a big name? Of course.

Yeah. TJ's the biggest name in the division, you know, for now. just because tj's a big name of course yeah yeah tj's the biggest name in the division you know for now yeah of course um it's kind of an interesting spot in the sport too right now we're kind of playing you know and this is just the way that things are i'm not trying to complain about it but it seems like it's a lot of you know the fame game a little bit like if you fight someone really popular and you beat that person yeah um that ranks higher than beating someone who's ranked higher or someone who's you know um and that's the game that we're in and that's completely fine and i know that i'm not one of those famous people um you're on your way son i'm on my way i need to keep whooping people's asses you know and i've been and i've been knowing that for a long time where i'm like man like

eventually this shit will start getting going. You know, like, I know how good I am. Like, I've gone again. I've been training for a really long time. I've been in the room with some really good guys. I'm like, okay, like, this shit just has to get going. Like, I'll just trust the process, whatever. And, like, you know, the last two have definitely really clicked.

But going back to the point of where where i was in that fight uh i actually learned a lot from sterling you know like i i learned that when someone walks into the cage and they have that level of intensity it can be uh intimidating you know if you're not at that at that point um and i kind of you, afterwards I was asking one of my military buddies because how much realer can it get than like actually, you know, having to kill someone, you know? And I remember asking my military buddy and I was like, man, how do you guys deal with that level of intensity?

And he was like, man, when you're standing on the other side of that door and you're about to kick in that door, you need to understand that it's either you or it's them when you kick that door and you're about to kick in that door, you need to understand that it's either you or it's them when you kick that door down. And now when I walk into the cage, it's right from right when I walk in right from the bell, it's like, it's either me or it's that person when I kick down that door. Do you think there is a level of intensity that's sustainable in a three round fight versus a level of intensity that's sustainable in a three-round fight versus a level of intensity that's sustainable in a five-round fight or do you think it's just a matter of preparation

i don't know um have you ever fought a five-rounder and in outside of the ufc no no uh my first five-rounder was scheduled for morice um so no i've never had a five-round fight um is that your first wheel kick ko yeah yeah that caught a lot of people off guard. Yeah, that was maybe the first time I've ever thrown that kick, you know, in a fight at least. Marlon's listening to this going, pull high. Fuck. That was pretty wild. Yeah.

The quarantine helped me with that one, though. Yeah? That's all that I did in the quarantine is fucking hit the bob in my basement. Oh, really? Yeah, I just practiced over and over again. Bob's good for's good for wheel kicks yeah yeah it's one of the best things for wheel dude bob's good for a lot of shit yeah like kneeing knees to the face like yeah yeah everything bob's good for every i was thinking he just needs like a leg kick shield type of thing on that base i think they have one go to century martial Arts. Bob is this...

They gave me one for my old gym. I had one in my gym at home in my old house in California. I don't have one out here, but I liked it. It's good for combinations because it's so realistic. It really feels like... And the head moves good. You could really crack the head. You get a good...

Here it is bob so is there a is there a padded base for it what's that there i feel like i saw something like that no oh yeah okay so that's bob with like a bunch of shit on him so you could leg kick him that's cool that's pretty dope so that's like a outfit that shit on him so you could leg kick him. That's cool. That's pretty dope. So that's like an outfit that Bob wears. Oh, see, you know what I was going to say too. You know what I was going to say too is they need to put some type of, you know, hand guard positioning things. I hope that those things can move because that would be cool too because that's one thing, you know, that's really important in fighting.

Is that Hackelman? Yeah. Ha ha, my man. Look at that. That's fucking cool. so you actually can practice that that's very cool yeah i like that even better than the regular bob yeah okay so that's not an outfit he wears that's the whole bob oh jamie order one of those right away we gotta get one of them all right i like it um so you were practicing wheel kicks and stuff like that on Bob.

Do you have a traditional martial arts background at all? I did Taekwondo when I was like really young. Is that where you learned that? No. So I had always wanted to be good at those, you know, like spinning back kicks, spinning wheel kicks. But I would just do some shit and just, you know know like I didn't know the technical way of doing that you know so when I would be in a fight and I would throw it it was just like bullshit you know and now I can actually feel like I can do it but you know what helped me a lot is well one my coach Christian Allen who has obviously been helping me a lot with it too and then two I've been going

down to Ryan Hall's gym a decent amount at 50-50. And do you know Ton Lee? No. Ton Lee, he's the 155 champ in one fighting championship. Yeah, he just beat that Martin Wing guy. So Ton Lee and Ryan are down there, and they do a lot of spinning back kicks, wheel kicks, and all of that. Really?

They helped me a lot with that too. I want to see. There's one guy in one FC that has a nasty spinning back kick. I don't know if that's him. I don't think he throws a ton in his fights. There's one guy who just keeps flattening people with spinning back kicks to the body. It's like getting hit by a car.

Yeah. If someone's got a good one. Yeah. I mean, I have a frame where I'm not going to knock anyone out like, you know, bad with like like, my upper body and stuff. But, man, your legs are, like, big-ass parts of your body. Yeah. And, like, you don't need to throw them very hard in order for it to, like, really, really score.

Yeah, this guy. Let me see that. Show that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kevin Bellington. Yeah, he's a 25er. He just fought a... That dude's got a good one.

Yeah. He throws it very quick, too. And he's always got his hips loaded up. Like, he's looking for it all the way. Boom, look at that. Come on, man. It's just like, what kick is like that? Yeah.

You know? So few kicks that have that kind of power. Yeah, and if you can't get your feet out of the way of that, and you just want to use your elbow, you're definitely way big time opening up your head for a wheel kick, too. So do you have a guy that, you said Christian Allen? Yeah. He's your striking coach?

Does he have a background in traditional martial arts? Yeah. Is he good at those? Yeah, he's got a bunch of black belts. I don't really know what they're all in, but yeah, me and Christian have been together since the first day that I walked into high altitude martial arts. Do you consider your style, like your stand-up style, is it Muay Thai based?

Is it a hybrid? Is it like, what do you, what do you think of it is? I don't know. So I think it's probably a compilation of everything. One, I think Christian has a very creative mind and it's not super, you know, like we don't hang on to any one type of traditional martial arts over the other or whatever. We just, you know, try to take as much good as we can from each one. But I know in my experience, I used to love watching old school K-1 fights. Those were like my all time favorite fights to watch.

So I think when it started, it was kind of a hybrid of me watching a lot of the WEC, specifically like Dominic Cruz. I thought his style was dope, you know, like all of the footwork and stuff. Watching that, watching Christian and having Christian teach me, and then watching like a lot of really solid K-1 guys, like Andy Sauer was one of my favorite fighters. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. I got to go train with him a couple times

in Holland. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, it was sick. He's such a nice guy, too. Yeah, he seems like a really nice guy, but he did a lot of training with Aldo, right? Yeah, right? He went down to Brazil. He was training with Jose quite a bit. So let's get back to this mindset thing. What did you do to change how you ramp up, how you get into the octagon? Like did you just decide to be at 10 the moment you step through the door?

Is it a mental thing? It's practice. 10 the moment you step through the door is it a mental thing it's uh it's practice you know like i i it's something that's controllable that i think um or at least in my experience of my past it's something that's told to you that isn't controllable like you either have it or you don't and uh i don't believe that shit you know um and so uh it's practice So it's a lot of – so I'll practice before sparring. So every time I go into sparring now, before I leave the house, for about 20 minutes I'll sit and visualize all of the techniques that I'm trying to work.

And I'll see it from a third person's point of view. That's how they say that you're supposed to learn techniques the best is you visualize yourself doing them and and not a first person view um so yeah yeah that's interesting yeah why is that um i don't know uh to be honest but you're supposed to use the first person view when uh when you're actually trying to generate the emotions that you know you'll be feeling before a fight, which makes sense. But third-person view if you want to learn something or visualize being successful at it.

That's strange because I would think you would want to see it the way you're going to do it. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, I don't know. Do you have a mental coach that you work with? Yeah, so I've used a sports psychologist, Joey Fritz, for about probably five or six years now, I would say.

How often do you meet with him? Once every week in camp. Really? Yep. And a lot of it, I think in the beginning when you're working with a sports psych, it's just putting out a lot of fires. Like, hey, this is stressing me out. Hey, I'm really scared about this. Hey, blah, blah, blah.

And I would say that that's kind of what it was for me in the beginning which which was super helpful because then i could start really enjoying it uh and then now in the last you know year or so we've been really hammering down on some like hey what's going to make me a better performer instead of what's going to bring me into the fight with a lot less fear and anxiety and stuff like that so So yeah, I've been doing that for a while now. How long are these sessions? It depends on the week. You know, sometimes there's more things to bring up than, than others. And, uh, I'm pretty self-sustainable. So whatever he gives me, you know, like I I'm doing, um, so it doesn't require like too much practice or too much uh checking in um other than that so you know 30

45 minutes sometimes so did you come to him and say hey when i had this aljamain sterling fight i went in i felt kind of flat he was kind of pumped up and i was like oh yeah felt it yeah um and uh yeah so so he's everyone's different right like uh I was watching um I think maybe it was on here or or or interview with Dustin Poirier and he was saying that uh before he went and fought McGregor he felt that way where he was feeling really flat and this and that and I remember him saying that his striking coach who had a bunch of kickboxing fights was telling him like hey man like that's normal like this and that and uh as i was listening to that i was like that works for dustin and that's good you know but that doesn't work for me um i can't go in that flat and still do you know a good job that's a really important point right it's like every fighter has to figure

out what process works best for them and it's going to be different for a wrestler versus a striker, a tall guy versus a short guy, a guy who's fast versus a guy who's got a lot of cardio. It's really going to depend entirely on your style and who you are as a human. Yeah, it changes a lot. And I think that that's why experience is a huge thing that people overlook a lot. I overlooked it definitely before I fought Sterling. Sterling's gone through a lot of those processes.

You can tell, you know? And now that I've gone through that process, I feel like I'm a completely different fighter. Sterling looks so big in that fight. I don't know how much weight he cuts, but my God, for a 135, that dude is huge. I think that that's another reason too that he's going to do well against yon

well his wrestling is super solid and his jujitsu is i mean he's a he's comes from henzo gracie lineage you know he's a matt sarah black belt his fucking i was very impressed unfortunately for you in that fight with his jujitsu yeah i mean my god yeah he's good uh he's like real deal good too you know not like a uh oh i'm a good mma grappler it's like no like that dude's like a really good grappler yeah yeah you can tell well he's you know he's very respected in jujitsu you know in terms of like uh the guys who train with them guys who know how good he is guys you know high level black belts yeah yeah um and i don't yeah i i don't think yon's uh at the level of grappling that Sterling's at,

but also I don't know how big Jan is either. He doesn't look like a huge 35er. He's real strong. Yeah, he looks real strong. Real strong. Yeah, he looks real strong. And he's a predator. Like that guy is always moving forward, and he puts a lot of pressure on you.

Aljamain has this crazy style, you know, if the fight turns into a striking contest where he's utilizing a lot of movement, a lot of movement. And it's something he and I talked about in the podcast. Like he needs a lot of cardio to fight that way. And what's interesting about Piotr is that he is really good at picking his moments and pacing himself and then slowly but surely accelerating the pressure you saw that in the Aldo fight I think he stopped Jose in the fourth round yeah but that was what was happening you could see Aldo was starting to wilt you know Aldo is a sprinter and it's hard for him for whatever reason to maintain endurance

over the course of a long fight. And that's been the case throughout his entire career. I mean, you go to the Mark Hominick fight or Ricardo Lamas fight, I think it was, where at the end of the fifth round, Lamas was on top, beating him up. And he won the decision because he was beating Lamas up for most of the fight. Pretty sure it was Lamas. I want to say it's Hominick. maybe it was the case in both of those fights but the point is he's had issues with his cardio in his career before because he's like

super jacked and you know everything he does is like super fast like a lot of exploding yeah yeah there's a lot of yeah there's a lot of x factors in that too because uh yon's style is super efficient as far as energy goes like he's super comfortable just keeping a guard up and getting hit yeah like he's and and that's not easy to be comfortable there especially when you're wearing little gloves right um which he's you know very very comfortable being there which i think helps him uh with sterling you know he's been really outspoken about i'm gonna wrestle this guy for 25 minutes yeah which also is really interesting to me too because i have seen that in sterling's fights too where he's gotten tired in three round fights yeah um and just to think

that like uh he's gonna wrestle a guy for 25 minutes wrestling's the hardest part you know so i i don't know man the other thing about people people forget Jose Aldo's high-level black belt. Jose Aldo beat Cobrinha in a straight-up jiu-jitsu tournament. And Aldo couldn't do shit with Piotr when it came to the ground. Piotr was on top. Aldo never really got a good position for any length of time in a grappling situation with him. The guy's fucking strong.

You saw that in the Uriah Faber fight you know he just bullied him around he's very physically strong and again just really smart at when he applies pressure and over a five round fight he's you know he's been into the deep waters of the fourth you know championship rounds I'm curious very curious curious but curious to see if he could stop that shot because if Aljamain gets him and gets him while he's fresh and while they're both fairly dry, he could be in real trouble. Because Aljamain knows how to close a show. Yep, yep, he does.

Great fight. Yeah, it is a great fight. Great fight. Yeah, it's going to be super entertaining. That whole card is going to be super entertaining. It's so crazy to me how stacked the 135-pound division is and how shallow the 125-pound division is. 10 pounds.

It's the only weight class in the UFC where the 10-pound difference is all – I mean, you've got Figueiredo and Brandon Marino. You've got some good fighters at 125. You've got some good fighters. But you don't have a who's who, a murderer's row of contenders like you do at 35. At 35, you've got so many killers and henry cejudo's always threatening to come back again you know he's that's probably the big name right in the 135 pound division if you want to make some money yeah i mean yeah if he's being serious who knows what that guy's doing i will say though i'll give

him some credit i think he's getting better at getting or at being cringy i think he's getting better at it man when he first came out with that shit i was like man this guy needs to stop i was like this guy's not gonna have anything that he can do after this well he he's if you talk to him in person he's so he's so personable and likable and friendly and smart that you you gotta know he's having fun oh absolutely it's an act yeah but listen man the guy can fucking fight he could fight fucking too i watched the dominic cruz fight again yesterday in the gym and i was like man that was a fucking hell of a performance hell of a performance do you feel like uh because i mean you get to watch these shows live are you are you reading the guys uh demeanors when they're walking out

and when they're walking into the cage? Are you really trying to read them and be like, are they ready or are they not ready? Not really. Not at a championship level. Championship level, basically everybody's ready. You do see some extra nerves with people. I felt like there's a heightened amount of nerves for gilbert burns i felt like you know

because it's just this big moment and you know obviously performed really good out of the gate but seemed to slow down early in the first round and it was pretty tired in the second round his mouth was open and i think it might have been an adrenaline dump might have had something to do with it and i think that that's a big factor like here he is all of a sudden this is the dream you know it's actually happening you've been thinking about it for years and years and years and all those days of training every time you're tired and you're you're doing rounds in the bag or you're hitting the mitts you're like one day i'm gonna be the fucking champion and all this is gonna be worth it and then that day's here and that's a big moment for people yep but usman has been there you know he's been in that moment

many times and he looked cool as a cucumber he just looked composed and even when he got hurt that was the big thing when Usman got hurt and rocked total composure yeah even while hurt no no sense of panic nothing at all he's like okay yeah okay Usman's a hell of a competitor man he's a you know when i watch dude when i watch guys compete he's up there so who knows up there where i'm just like yep these guys you know they know how to turn it on they don't have any quit or loser in them there's none there's zero there's no uh there's no that feeling of being in a fight and like um oh he he's getting a little head he's getting a little head it's always like i got this shit i got this shit yeah no self-doubt yeah a great example that also is uh if you look at

like the tyron woodley fight this is his first fight for the title right i mean this is the big one he's fighting tyron woodley tyron woodley super dominant and he looked like the champ he looked like the champ like he was defending the title just put a fucking show on yeah dominated you know i mean he had a rough go at the top too though right like guzman was i mean from from my knowledge i don't know too too well but to my knowledge he you know he was like begging for that shot for a long time he was fighting like he wanted to fight yeah he was fighting the top guys top guys over and over and over again and actually you know Usman's been training with us a little bit too um and while I'm not super close with him I'm super close to his uh one of his main

training partners Carrington Banks and uh Carrington was telling me uh that he watched Usman go through the same thing that I feel like you know I was going through for a little bit too where it's like man like you just got to keep just keep winning you know just trust the process yeah keep your mouth shut uh 28 perfect yeah yeah it's a perfect time to be a top contender yeah right yeah that's like you're you're in your prime but you've got a lot of room yeah you know you got a lot of room to keep getting better and keep growing I think I have a lot of room to get better, you know, which is a really good feeling. I really started feeling like that when I went out, like I said,

to train with Ryan Hall. Like that guy really changed a lot of things in my brain about how to look at combat sports and how to. Really? Oh, man. How so? Dude, if there's one, you know, I'll butcher everything because he's just such

an intelligent guy and super smart guy super smart guy but um i think almost above him being smart is he's just so thoughtful man like with his game like he's just so thoughtful and like the amount of uh you know just thinking and hey can they do this can they do this can they do this okay i have answer for this this and this like the guy has an answer for almost everything and i think that the way that he views things and the advice that he gives to me is just like so fundamental and like uh just makes so much sense so an example of that would be i have terrible posture usually like it's getting a little bit better but like before it was like this like hunched over i had neck issues shoulders issues back issues and all of that me too yeah same thing yeah yeah yeah you have good shoulder yeah i always just sit like this and i used to

stand like this and then i realized i was like you're fucking my back up yeah like you start getting pains back here yeah i try to as much these chairs help a lot yeah these are nice chairs these are dope they're really comfortable how uh how'd you fix it just being aware of it oh being really aware of it dude that never worked for me no no i had to like strengthen some shit you know i think i was just too weak in a lot of areas so i had to strengthen some stuff but uh ryan taught me and it's super simple but it makes a huge difference it's like hey man like you can't be strong like this like no one goes up to a squat rack and does this you know right like you squat like this and he's like when you're grappling you need to know when you need to be like this and when you need to be foldy and bendy and i'm longer and when to tangle people up and when not to tangle people up

and you can't be strong like this so he was like you need to fix that shit like right away and like that's just one of the examples yeah he's man he's i you know i i try not to you know talk too highly of him because it's just like and i feel like i i don't want to seem like i have a dude crush on the guy but but you do a little bro yeah i wish i was him i wish i was him he's um on the lex friedman podcast he did an um an episode and he was really good yeah like surprisingly intelligent uh yeah and you know to be honest i think he's he hides a lot of it too you know like i listened to that podcast and i was like yeah he's just being a little bit humble, but I feel like this dude is just like...

Well, you know, the really great jiu-jitsu guys are all really smart. You can be physical. You can explode and be fast and be strong and hold people down. But to really understand the game, it's like I said, like someone said to Eddie Bravo, they were

talking about jiu jujitsu being like chess. He's like, he goes, chess pieces can only move one way. He goes like, he goes like, you have a rook, you go that way. If you've got a queen, you can do this. Like a knight can do that. He's like, your body can do so much shit. It's so much more complicated than chess.

Plus you get tired and you get nervous and plus you can't breathe when someone's got you in a body triangle and there's all those other factors and then plus you have to prepare your game pieces like your game pieces have to be in shape it's not like you just show up fat with a cigarette and a cup of coffee in the park and play chess no your body has to be prepared you have to be well rested you have to have endurance i i mean yeah and you have to be uh ready i think that one thing that separates jiu-jitsu and all the combat sports versus like football and maybe not football but basketball tennis you know all of those other ones is no one walks into a basketball game and is like i might get knocked out tonight right no

one walks in with that with that with that extra anxiety you know and i think you know while jiu-jitsu you might not get knocked out it's also like this guy might rip my knee off yeah or this guy might choke me out unconscious in front of you know a bunch of people so that's another really really interesting part about combat sports i think too is it's like it's that extra level and i think that that's why what makes it so different is that it's that extra level of man like you have to worry about getting hurt in what world do man like you have to worry about getting hurt in what world do you usually ever have to worry about getting hurt really getting hurt really getting yeah i remember when husamar paul harris would fight you'd have to everybody was so

terrified of that guy and because he wouldn't let go because he would hold on to heel hooks so not only was i mean the dude was like five seven two hundred and whatever the fuck pounds he was before he cut down to 185 just so stacked and so strong when he would get a hold of people you could see it in their eyes they were like jesus christ and then he would dive on your fucking leg and he'll hook you yeah and then he had this habit of holding on to submissions yeah to the point where you know they kicked him out of the ufc for it yeah i mean who the fuck gets kicked out of the ufc for being successful paul horace it was the only guy where he he held on so many times they're like dude get the fuck out of here yeah he was getting ready to

fight uh or when when nate marquardt because high altitude used to be nate marquardt's gym uh that's when i was training with all those guys too and you, you know, when Nate was going to fight Paul Harris. Well, Nate did something really smart. Nate got really sweaty before that fight. So he came in super sweaty. And I remember Paul Harris went for a leg and Nate pulled his leg out. And Paul Harris pointed his leg, trying to say that it was greased up. And they actually checked his leg.

It wasn't greased up. It was just sweaty. How do you sweaty up your legs? put on um a warm-up thing like if you put on like one of them plastic track suits or one of them uh sweat suits you know those uh sauna suits yeah like a rubber suit you could get super slippery yeah you know if you do that right before you go into the octagon you can get real fucking slippery i guess you're right yeah eat a lot of butter too maybe maybe well that was uh the unscrupulous fighters in the past one thing they used to do was the night before the fight they would bathe in mineral oil so they would lie in a bath and they would fill the bathtub up with mineral oil and water and so your whole body

is covered in water and you take a shower but it's you're still sleek and slick what yeah yeah and so you're not like technically greased up but as soon as you start getting sweaty you are so hard to hold on to what yeah is that legal still i don't think it is i don't know though it doesn't sound illegal you could take like abilene and rub it all over you like a lot of guys do before they train that's that's but you could do that and wash it off and even when you wash it off you're still kind of slick yeah i guarantee you people do it i don't know if vanderley silva did it but i know people accused him of doing it vanderley silva i think

put vicks vapor rub all over his chest too And so he would grab guys and pull them in. And they get fucking Vicks Vaporub in their eyes and shit. Yeah, in their eyes. Mixed with the sweat. You ever rolled with anyone that has rubbed their bodies down with... No, like liniment? Oh, like Thai liniment? No.

Yeah. No. That sucks. That stuff's not good to get in your eyes. Because you kind of smell it, and then you're just like, why are my eyes burning? Yeah. And then you just... I don't remember who accused Vanderlei of doing that.

I don't know if it was even accurate. I think it was one of his early UFC fights that he won with knees, and he grabbed the guy and pulled him into him. But it might be an excuse. Who knows? But I would imagine somewhere along the line, people have used every single way to get away from a grappler yeah you know yeah make yourself more slippery yeah people can get pretty creative in the ways that they can get advantages yeah because even if you're not using like legitimate grease right you're not putting vaseline on what if you're just using like body

moisturizer and you're putting a lot of it on, then you dry it off? Yeah. And then they touch you and it's like, well, I mean, it doesn't have... How do they know if you have grease on? Nah, I've never been grease checked. That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know. That's kind of crazy.

That's actually a thing, you know, like I'll make sure that I'm using chapstick and stuff for the couple of weeks leading into a fight and make sure that I'm moisturizing my face and stuff leading up to a fight because, I mean, I get real dry skin just because I'm so pasty. You know, I go out into the sun for five minutes and everything's cracking. That's another thing too, right? The Vaseline that you put on your face to prevent cuts and things along those lines,

that shit gets all over the place everywhere when you start sweating. I've seen guys do the, you know, like... the you know like oh yeah try to put it on anderson silva that was a thing with anderson silva was a big controversy back in the day where one of anderson silva's fights they vaselined up his face and then he takes his face rubs his fingers and he starts doing this he put the vaseline on his body and everybody's like what the fuck it was a big controversy now i'm just remembering this can't hate on guys for trying to get little advantages like that i almost appreciate it you know actually on the way over

here uh the driver was a really big boxing fan and he was just talking about like tyson biting people's ears and like evander holyfield yeah know, just how dirty old school boxing used to be. And it's like, I can appreciate that. You know, I can appreciate that mentality. That one was a crazy one because it seemed like Tyson wanted to get out of the fight. But it also seemed like he was angry because Evander did leave with his head and Tyson was getting cut. because Evander did leave with his head and Tyson was getting cut. Because Evander would put his head down and plow forward and throw.

And I think Tyson felt like he was trying to headbutt him. Probably was. Yeah, maybe. They're trying to have a third fight together. You see that? Evander called him out on his Instagram yesterday. Yesterday? Yeah. He looks good, man. He looks good. He's hitting on his Instagram yesterday. Yesterday? Yeah.

He looks good, man. He looks good. He's hitting the mitts. Why not? Yeah. I'll probably watch it. The thing is they got to make it a real fight. It seemed like the Roy Jones Jr. fight. I don't want to make any speculation because I looked forward to that fight.

I was excited about it. Two legends. But it seemed like there might have been an agreement to not hit each other too hard in the head. It seems like a lot of Tyson's big bombs were at roy's body yeah or maybe it was just like an unwritten thing where they're like you know like hey man yeah yeah let's just make some money here and not get any more brain damage yeah yeah especially roy i mean he is a 168 pound champion won at 175 and he did beat John Ruiz at heavyweight but he wasn't a legitimate heavyweight

he was just so fast and so skilled that he could beat the heavyweight champion but he's not heavyweight like Mike Tyson is a heavyweight Mike Tyson is a fucking heavyweight one of the greatest heavyweight knockout artists the world has ever known it's a different thing

he went in that fight looking dense, bro. He looked good. He looked dense. He looked good. Yeah, he looked good. I don't know what kind of drug test they gave them. They said they gave them tests. But I would say, listen, we don't need any tests.

Let's go out to the shows. You know? Like we were just talking about Overeem not being in the UFC anymore. I say send that dude to one fc and let him juice to the gills let's get back to the old ways let's see what's up you know i want to see the oveream that fought brock lesnar i want to see that show up again where everybody knows yeah i mean come on i hope he fights somewhere if he wants to if he wants if he wants to he's what 38 39. If he wants to. If he wants to. He's, what, 38, 39?

Yeah. I mean, that guy's been in the game a long, long time. How many times can you get out of bed and still want to do it? He apparently still does, which is crazy. And you look at that guy's accolades. I mean, there's very few human beings in combat sports that have the accolades that guy has. First of all, won the Abuu dhabi european trials crazy right so he wins european abu dhabis as a pro mma fighter became the dream heavyweight

champion became the strike force heavyweight champion won the k1 grand prix i mean what the fuck man that is crazy yeah if you look at all the things that guy's accomplished that is crazy combat sports yeah and i mean we were talking about him a little bit before but uh he's uh i was so impressed with just how eager he was to learn even you know because he's been training with us for about the last year at elevation um i was just like damn man this guy's still like he's so capable of learning too you know like you kind of see fighters get a little bit older and you're like it's wired you know they're they're wired they're not trying to learn yeah yeah yeah uh and he was he was just like so capable of learning i thought that that was really cool yeah that's the real question it's like what stops someone from getting better is it age and

injuries or is it inspiration is it do they look at it like a young guy because like young fighters like who are just starting to to you know enter into their prime they're they're constantly trying to add new things to their game they're working with different people they're constantly trying to improve because they don't feel like they're there yet and then some guys that have been there before they fought for the title they've you know they fought top contenders and then you see this this kind of like pattern emerges where they basically do the same thing they fight the same way and they're kind of protecting themselves from certain injuries that they have that might be chronic and they they don't grow and learn and you always wonder like is that because of the injuries and

the age or is that just because of the attitude as well i think it'd be hard man i think it'd be hard being that and accomplishing everything that you've wanted to accomplish and then still you know like still getting there you know like i could only imagine i don't know because i haven't accomplished all the shit that i want to accomplish but like uh i imagine that it's really similar to like stringing some really good fights together and then being like, I got this. You know, like I and then like I don't I this is what I need to do. I don't need to do any more. And then that be it. You know, like I felt that demon creep up on me a couple of times. Yeah. The demon of complacency. Yeah.

Yeah. The demon of like you're doing good, man. Just, you know, you don't got to do anything else i hate that guy that guy's an asshole yeah fuck that guy that guy will keep you from greatness yeah he will yeah uh i try to remind myself just all the time like um there it's only going to get harder you know like it's only going to get harder and you got to be okay with that well it's interesting if you look historically at the evolution of MMA, the difference between MMA in 1993 and MMA today in 2021 is almost unrecognizable. I mean, there's a lot of the same techniques are applied,

but the level is so fucking high now. And like sometimes you see guys making their debut and i'll just be like this is crazy these guys are so good and they're making their debut there's a 14 year old out there who's gonna whoop my ass one day dude who's gonna whoop my ass where was that video from that i posted that was uh or that i that we pulled up the other day that was that little girl who was six years old whose page was that on? Was she like punching the tree? No, I've seen that girl.

That girl was savage too. Yeah, that girl's scary. That girl's a little older, but this girl was tiny. And she was, who's Instagram was it? Do you remember? It was someone that we know. Anyway, she was hitting the pads and they had like a balance ball and that she was using that for leg kicks because she was hitting the pads, and they had like a balance ball, and then she was using that for leg kicks because she was so small.

The guy was like leaning on that, holding the pads for her, and then she would leg kick the ball. Fucking perfect technique at six. I mean, perfect. Everything was just crisp and fast. And you're like, my remember who was fuck it was someone we know had it on their page i don't know how you can get kids that coordinated that young some of them just have it you think yeah some kids are coordinated i have one daughter that's really coordinated and like super super athletic and one daughter who doesn't give a fuck like she's she likes to play sports and she plays lacrosse and basketball she likes sports and she

does it but she's not obsessed the way my other daughter is my other daughter's like obsessed with like technique she does gymnastics and she can do all kinds of crazy shit and backflips and round offs and handsprings and just a different type of spirit oh it's weird yeah it's weird huh one of them really loves art you know and the other one is just yeah and it's it's like some kids are just and i think some of it is genetic for sure i mean you know if you get like super athletes and they have kids you know you take two super athletes and they breed and they make a super athlete baby that's logical but sometimes you have kids that are like their parents are normal and they they come out and they're just freaks

my parents were super normal not that i'm a freak athlete or anything but i mean my parents were you know super like dude i watched my we took my mom to uh top golf one time i was like what are you kidding me she couldn't figure it out bro i was like what that's not even i was like in your head i know you've seen someone swing a golf club like that's not what that's what you think you're doing with this she's like chopping it she's like trying to chop the ball in half dude i was like what are you doing it's funny people that have never done anything like athletics it's it's funny watching them as adults try to do stuff it was i you know i remember there's been a few guys that come into jiu-jitsu that had really never done anything they just decided i'm gonna just fucking try this and you'd

see them like trying to move their body and they have a big belly and little small arms and and you're like man you got a long road to go but kudos to you for just because if you're an athlete say if you're a guy who wrestled or maybe you did some you know you did a lot of crossfit or something and then you enter into a jiu-jitsu class well hey you got a lot of tools to work with you got a body that you're accustomed to moving around you understand what it's like to push yourself but if you're a person who's never done anything and then all of a sudden here you are with a gi on and someone's grabbing you like you don't know what to do.

That's a brave person to take that step. It's a dangerous person. Dangerous person to train with. That's a dangerous person. They don't know where their hand is in space, bro. They're trying to grab you here and they're like putting their fingers in your mouth. That can happen too. Yeah, that can happen too.

But yeah, man, i don't know i think that i think jujitsu is so good for like uh because i'll teach the kids program at high altitude martial arts to kickboxing but like man like i see a lot of adults bro they're just not familiar with the way that their body can move yeah you know like i i sometimes imagine i'm like man like have you done anything like full throttle like how many people you think haven't done shit full throttle a lot a lot if you walk into an office building and just wander through the hallway like most people are not doing a goddamn thing with themselves or if they did it was like when they were kids yeah it's kind of sad you know you have one body you should know how to use it yeah move it around a little bit at least i agree it's like having a car that you never drive you just leave it in the garage a lot of people do that

too a lot of people do that too yeah it's um it's it's interesting to see the the progression though of the sport like there's no real real sport from 1993 that's unrecognizable like mma is i don't think i can't i can't think one basketball wasn't too much different oh no that's the jordan days yeah you take jordan out of you know the 1990s and put him in 2021 he could fucking compete with anybody yeah you know the elites of them were are but the sport of mma it's just totally it it's so different. Yeah. In every way. It's evolving really quick. And I think probably a lot of it, man, is because, you know, like you become a coach in MMA because you were probably a fighter. Yeah.

And when something I think is so early on, you don't even know how to like teach those people. You know what I mean? on you don't even know how to like teach those people you know what i mean like if if i'm a if i'm in 1993 and someone's like hey we're doing no rules fighting and i'm a wrestler i'm gonna teach them all the shit that i know about wrestling i'm not gonna like weave out all of the things that are actually efficient for like an actual like fist fight right i'm just gonna teach them everything that i know about wrestling and it's like now you don't have coaches that do that now you have coaches that are like this is what's are like, this is what's good for fighting. This is what's good for fighting.

And there's no, there's no, like that filter is happening still, you know? And I think that that's why guys are getting so good so fast. Yeah. And I would imagine like even kids learning wrestling, they know submissions. Like young kids that are learning wrestling, like, someone's going to show them, hey, man, you know, if you do this right here and then grab it like that, like, ooh, like, you could fuck somebody up.

Like, they're going to, because they're already doing grappling. Yeah. Like, they must learn submissions. So, yeah, I mean, I follow a couple of Instagram, like, wrestling pages and stuff, and to me it's super interesting, not, I mean, because wrestling definitely

has influenced the jiu-jitsu world, but it interesting to me watch it go the other direction where you're where you're seeing people like uh i forget what i was watching but a guy jumps for a flying triangle but like controls the guy's arm in a way where he could roll the guy you know and it's like in a wrestling match in a wrestling match he jumped for a flying triangle in a wrestling match yeah and the arm is stuck in and and he controls his arm. So when he jumps, he controls the arm and just rolls it through. Boom, and pins the guy. Are you allowed to do that?

I think so. You can flying triangle a guy in a wrestling match? I mean, you can't choke him. I don't think you can lock your legs. Or you can hold it. I mean, you can roll him and pin him with it, right? And then a lot of the leg scrambling that i'm seeing like from wrestlers maybe they got it from jujitsu or maybe jujitsu got it from them but i'm seeing like a lot of similarities in the way that people

tangle themselves and scrambles on on the legs and stuff and that's super interesting just to watch the two grappling worlds kind of like mesh into one yeah well the guillotine not the guillotine like this one but the guillotine in wrestling or they would call it guillotine not the guillotine like this one but the guillotine in wrestling or they would call it guillotine became the twister is that they call it the guillotine in wrestling versus the guillotine well it's like they're like no it's a guillotine i remember guys calling it the guillotine but it was a it's a position where you would hold a guy for a pin and then eddie bravo turned it into the twister that's the twister comes from this sort of similar leg entanglement that a lot of guys were using in wrestling yeah but the banana

split type of position sort of you know do you know the twister do you know how to do it well when you're in the back like say if you're holding someone's back you lock down on the left leg you wrap their right arm around your neck, so you baseball bat their right arm, you wrap it around your head, grab the top of their head and pull, and it's a terrible spine lock. But it came from pinning someone that way. So if you can get to the side of them and lock a hold of one leg

and lean on them, you can get to a point where the guy's both shoulders are touching the mat. Yeah. And it's a good control position. That's where Eddie got that from? Yeah, he got it from wrestling. Oh, that's awesome. Because Eddie was a wrestler, but he wasn't strong when he was a kid, so he's a leg rider.

Like a lot of guys who are not physically strong as wrestlers become leg riders. Yeah. And so he, when he got into jiu-jitsu, did a lot of leg transition stuff. One of his big things when when i first met him he was either a blue belt or a purple belt i think he was a purple belt and he was doing a lot of like toe holds he was catching a lot of people in tolls so he would kind of use his legs his upper body wasn't strong and that motherfucker when he met me never lifted weights like i'm like dude i'm gonna lift come with me he's like fuck that he's like i want to go get a burrito and he was just like get high

he'd never lifted weights at all really yeah until like deep into our friendship like a year or two and then he started lifting you had to trust you first well it's he just had to realize like you know if you want to compete against guys who are physically stronger than you it helps it just helps a lot to be strong it helps a lot uh i mean i was looking at a couple pictures of me just from a couple years ago and um because before that i was always like man lifting just makes me tired for training i'm not gonna lift hard you know but i don't have that built like i like i said like with the posture and adding in strength so that like i can be posturally strong and my hips are strong so I'm not hunched over and I'm not all twisted up because everything's kind of strong uh I used to be very averse to to wanting to lift but dude I swear my cardio has

probably got two or three times as better just because I started lifting so much because now it's not as much effort to get someone off of me oh that makes sense yeah i mean i might be the only example of that just because i'm the only guy kind of built like me in the division everyone else might need to you know go on a couple trail runs or something you're so tall for 135 that's such an advantage it's such a length yeah that length and reach is when you're trying to get a hold of someone and they can hit you literally six inches before you can get to them that's a big advantage i get to do what i want until they do something about it right like i get to do what i want until they do something about it so what exercises did you do to improve your posture um a lot of like you know carrying stuff farmers yeah farmer carries

with like shoulders back. Honestly, a lot of focusing on it when you're lifting, too. But a lot of, like, strengthening the hips makes all of this strong, too. You know, the weaker your hips are, the more twisted you are, the more you're like this, you know. So a ton of hip stuff, man. Like, hip strength, you know, everyone wants to, you know, have a really nice set of abs and all of this. But hip strength, I think, is the thing that will keep me good

all the way up until I'm done training on Saturday. Yeah, hip flexors. That's a muscle that so few people work out. There's this guy that I follow on Instagram that's become very popular. Jamie actually turned me on to him, the Knees Over Toes guy. I saw him with Mark Bell. Yeah, he was training with Mark Bell. I started implementing a lot of what he does in my uh training routine and i

actually got one of those monkey feet things if you don't know what that is it's a thing you strap onto your shoe and you can attach a dumbbell to it so you lift so like you know for like hip flexors to get them strong it's kind of hard to do. But if you want to be a strong runner or if you want to throw hard knees, that's really where the muscle comes from. If you think about throwing a hard knee, a lot of that is hit. And also with kicks. If you think about roundhouse kicks, I've been kicking since I was a little kid,

so I've got pretty decent hip flexor muscles, but I don't do an exercise to work them other than this stuff. And I started, maybe lunges, I guess, work them a little bit. But using this monkey foot thing, you can actually lift weights with your hip flexors as you're lifting your knee up, and that's all that muscle. See if you can find a video of him doing it. But this guy has some really interesting perspective, a really interesting perspective on strengthening all the muscles around your knee.

And he calls it knee over toes guy because traditionally, if you talk to someone, they'd say, hey, don't ever have your knee over your toes because it puts a lot of pressure on your knee. It's bad for your knee. And his idea is, no, build up to where you can have your knee over your toes because it puts a lot of pressure on your knee it's bad for your knee and his idea is no build up to where you can have your knee over your toes easily and if you look at his instagram he does a lot of like crazy shit like where he jumps and lands with knees over toes and goes all the way down to the ground and then can spring back up like this shit and this is a guy who's had like multiple leg surgeries and so look how he lands and he does a lot his his instagram it's knees over toes guy is his instagram but

he's definitely got that um monkey foot thing in there somewhere jamie cv i found he's doing the tib thing which is go scroll up i'm sorry that's good too but scroll up to that one where he's leaning back right there yeah watch this this is a crazy strength in his legs look he goes all the way back which is hard to do already and then pops all the way forward that's fucking hard to do man yeah and that is all those muscles that we're talking about here that's like hamstrings though a lot of that is hamstrings too i think because yeah because we'll do yeah we'll do a similar thing i obviously can't do it as good as that guy but uh yeah hamstrings glutes bro the glutes are super important like uh and you see that pose that

he's got in the middle there jamie with the yeah that one with the arrow so that's showing like the opt what happened there that's showing the optimal position to strengthen, to have that sort of split squat where you have that crazy angle where your knee is hanging way over your toes. Obviously, you build up to it slowly. He's got Miriam Nakamoto. Do you know who she is? Yeah, multiple-time world kickboxing champion, world Muay Thai champion, my friend Miriam. Shout out to Miriam. time world kickboxing champion world muay thai champion my friend miriam shout out to miriam um she's a beast and she has a pretty significant knee injury that she's trying to recover from and

she got a bunch of stem cells and shit shot in there but she's now doing a lot of this guy's program to strengthen all the muscles around it but see how he's into doing a lot of stuff that puts you in that position and look i mean the dude can fucking do some crazy shit athletically but he he also uses all these examples of different athletes that have incredible explosive power with their legs and they use these uh these kind of exercises and they they're strong in these positions so he shows this split squat which is really hard to do, man. It's really hard to get down like that with that knee hanging way out over your toes

and get all the way down so your back knee touches the ground and then pull yourself back up. But he calls it dense strength. And you're strengthening all your tendons and all the muscles that stabilize the knee and put the knee in a good position. And kicking things man and and in for grappling i i think i think a lot of guys could benefit from it look how flexible the fucking dude is look at that picture right there

and like he does a lot of stuff on slant boards if you go to that one that the video that we're just on jamie of him doing a full split yeah that one. So he does a lot of stuff on slant boards. So he'll have like a slant board, which is good for stretching your calves out. And I started doing this because of him too. And drop all the way down with a barbell and go all the way down to the floor. And it's just tremendous hamstring stretch, but also strengthening. And you see the kind of flexibility that this guy has because of it i mean he can go all if you can go scoot that thing all the way up the dude can go all the way down to a full split and look at that he's doing a

zurcher uh squat grip like where you put it in the crux of your elbow with weights i don't know why he's showing someone getting slammed into a triangle. I guess. Picking him up? I don't know. I'd have to listen to him. But a lot of great exercises. You can find that monkey foot thing. He's got that in there somewhere. I've definitely

seen it on his page, but the video might not be up or it's been somewhere else. The only thing I could find was that tibia thing, which is a very close thing too, but it's a different... That's a different thing, but that's pretty dope too. The only thing I could find was that tibia thing, which is a very close thing too, but it's a different. That's a different thing, but that's pretty dope too. That's a bar where you put your feet into it and you put plates on the end of it, and it works those muscles on the tibia.

And you just flex the foot up and down. So it's like there's all these different ways you can strengthen these muscle groups that you don't think. There's no direct way to strengthen them like individually that you think of and you think of doing squats you know you're strengthening them sort of but you know they're just kind of coming along for the ride yeah stronger or this is isolated that's it that's the monkey feet thing dang those are crazy it's dope dude it's really dope I love it because what I'll do is I'll like hold

on to like a chin-up bar like this and then i'll just do these fucking leg lifts with my and you can do leg curls with it you can do leg lifts but i feel like for a guy like you who already has a fucking nasty flying knee that would make your knee even scarier yeah yeah you know that knee you landed on frankie was crazy i was by myself watching tv and i screamed out loud you know it was one of those oh yeah and that's a common thing in my house people like are you okay i'm like watching the fights yeah that was a nasty one dude it was so perfect yeah it was you timed it so perfect yeah i mean he wasn't doing any of the hitting the brakes you know everything he was doing was just forward forward forward he threw you know

he threw a kick forward he threw a combination forward and i was like oh this guy's not hitting the brakes at all you know uh and i was like you know just throw something into that space that he was going to step into. And, you know. He couldn't have been more perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It was like right before he threw a punch, everything. Yeah.

So two wicked KOs in a row like that over two top guys. Like you must be feeling right now that you're on like a whole new level. Yeah. I'm trying not to feel too good, you know, because you know that demon will tell you hey you're good you're good enough man you know you're good enough ride it out yeah um yeah i do feel good though man i feel like uh i think it's been noticeable the demeanor that i go into the cage with it's it's noticeable in my brain too like when i'm walking into the cage, I'm ready, you know, to hurt someone. And I'm ready to, you know, snap and get that 10 weeks of thinking about it out of me.

But, yeah, man, I'm super happy with it, man. I feel like, you know, it's its own ability to figure out where you best perform. It's its own ability to figure out where you best perform. And, like, you don't learn that unless you have, you know, a loss or you get lucky and you get a win, a fight. But, you know, I had to lose, and that's how you learn that stuff. And I really feel, man, like when I'm in the back in that space, I feel 100% completely untouchable. And that's something that is very, very different than when I was fighting before. Like I'm walking into the cage now feeling 100% untouchable. And you attribute this to the work with the mental coach as well as just you realizing that you were flat in the Aljamain fight?

Yep, yep. And just realizing where I do best and just realizing where i do best you know just realizing where i do best like uh i would love because i'm a calm dude like i'm a relaxed guy like i don't get too high or too low about anything like it'd be nice if that if i could perform at that level you know but that's not the case for me so i need to really and that's why i do it before sparring is I'll make sure no matter how tired I am regardless of what's going on you know if I'm injured if I'm you know over trained whatever it is when it's sparring day I'm making sure that I get myself to that same place um obviously not intense enough to where I'm going to hurt my training partners but I'm making sure

that I can replicate that headspace regardless of the situation yeah you, you said something after the fight when you were talking to, you were talking to Laura Sanko, is that what you were talking to? No, it was Andrea. Whoever it was. Yep. That person. You were, you said some people go in there and they're looking to compete. They like to compete, and that's what they're doing.

You go there. You're trying to compete they like to compete and that's what they're doing you you go there you're trying to hurt people that's that's you know what i'm doing now you know uh it was really uncomfortable for me because like we were kind of you know i like hinduism i like eastern philosophy i like the idea of like you know buddhism and you know being really peaceful and having a zen mind and uh and not wanting anything and and being really peaceful and having a Zen mind and not wanting anything and being really free from all the suffering of the world and trying to get there. And that was kind of my philosophy up until I was choked out by Sterling and opened up my eyes and I hear him running around and celebrating, and I was like, fuck that. Fuck that.

Everyone that I go into a fight now with i'm really trying to hurt you know like i want to be the guy that's running around the cage and they're opening up their eyes you know and and i didn't you know uh it's it's a it's a different type of space to be in and it takes a lot of practice especially for someone like me who isn't you know naturally like that uh but you know that's that's the game that we're in and that's what i'm trying to do now how important is a loss sometimes super important it's it's a reminder you know uh and like you said you know i was just too comfortable i was too laid back like i needed to remember how dangerous this sport is uh and that's one of the main things that i took from that loss is that like

it is. And that's one of the main things that I took from that loss is that like, we're not playing soccer. Like don't walk into that fight, not ready to go. It's also a lesson, right? It's like failure is so good for you because when you fail, it sucks and it feels terrible. But if you needed motivation, well, there it is. Like that's the best form of motivation like people would love to get motivation in a totally positive uh like a way where it's elective like i've decided to be motivated i'm going to be positive and that's wonderful but my goodness the injection that you get from a loss or from just straight up failure where you're like, oh my god, i'm a loser. Yeah Yeah, the feeling it's so bad. You're literally the same person you were Before that moment, but now you fucking hate yourself. You hate everything you feel terrible

You can't sleep you get up to take a piss and you can't stop thinking about it like fuck You just feel so you you nailed it but that feeling is worth a fucking billion dollars it's so valuable i wish i wish i could win fights and feel like i lost every single time i wish i had that like that type of superpower i wish i could do that do you think you could talk yourself into that feeling is it like the feeling that you got after the algemeen fight can you think you can like bring yourself back to that state yeah yeah um yeah if i sit and think about it long enough which i sometimes you know like and not not because of that fight but just all of the shitty things like you said that happened after a loss man like all

the shitty conversations you have to have with people oh my god like the shitty looks you get what do you think went wrong yeah hey man uh you'll get it next time it's like no man like this is my existence bro you'll get it next time yeah yeah non-competitors that want to talk to you about your losses i hate it look on the bright side yeah you got your health yeah in that moment there's no bright side and that's something that every athlete i think has to come to grips with the during losses there's there's no upside it's just this is your look sometimes you're the hammer sometimes you're the nail and you don't get the good without the bad the reason why the good is so fucking amazing is because you felt the bad yeah if you're just this guy just stormed your way to the top with no adversity whatsoever, you probably wouldn't enjoy it as much. No. And that emotional pain, I think it

is worse than physical pain. And I remember after the first time I lost, I had like my own existential crisis a little bit where I had to, you know, venture off and really question like who I was as a person, where I was putting a lot of my identity just because that shit hurts so bad man and uh I remember like if I keep doing this it might happen again you know and I had to I had to like sit with that a little bit and I was like and you might not even get what you want out of this and then I was like damn and then I had to sit with that and then I was like and then I but I'm really grateful for that because that was the real moment in my life where I was like martial arts is is my path you know like that's what I'm doing that's what I'm

doing uh I remember having the very lucid thought of like when I was having those feelings of like uh this could happen again you might not ever get into the ufc you could be doing this and win some lose some and be a loser until you're 35 40 you know and in my head i was like okay you know i'll sleep in a box i'll be a loser you know as long as i get to do this with my life like i'll be that loser and and kind of since then that's when i was like oh i actually love this you know i actually love this shit okay that's when I was like, oh, I actually love this. I actually love this shit. Okay, that feels good. What was the thought process that let you come to grips with it?

Did you have like an aha moment? I spent a lot of, I spent probably like every weekend or every other weekend in the mountains for about, you want my coffee? What's that? You want my coffee? No, there's more coffee. Okay, okay. Oh, there it is.

You're so nice. You're so nice. My coffee's almost, he's like, you can have my coffee. No, like, yeah more okay okay oh there it is no i'm so nice he's so nice my coffee's almost like you can have my coffee no like here you want more we got plenty we can make more we have a black rifle gives us bags of this it's pretty good oh yeah black coffee's the shit um i spent probably every other weekend or every weekend in the mountains hiking 14ers or just camping for about you know probably six months and just like really uh as you know corny as it might sound you know like facing my ego looking at like a lot of my identities and looking at like where I was placing my attachment in my life and uh and you know after kind of the six months of that and a lot of like experiences

and stuff like that uh you know I feel like I found my spirit and I feel like, uh, yeah, it was, uh, that that's kind of how I handled that, that situation. What is it about going into the woods, into the mountains? What is it about that that helps you? I think one is that, uh, it reminds you how little you are, you know, where it's good to be reminded that you're little. It's also not good to get, think that what we're doing is not important because what we're doing is still important. Like the relationships that we're building, the love that we're giving and receiving is still super important, even though, you know, we're kind of a dumb species that's not going to be around for probably too much longer. I really love that feeling. I love the feeling of just like taking a breath and being like, you know, I'm here with no one else.

There's, you know, it's just me and this and it's just here. And that's like one special feeling that I feel like I never really experienced before. I took all of that time. And then I think, too, it's just, you know, when you sit by yourself and you go to the mountains and you hike or I know that you like hunting. I don't know if you go by yourself or what it is. When you're by yourself, man, an hour can feel like a really long time. And you kind of realize, like, there's a lot of shit happening in my head, man. Like, there is a lot of things happening.

There's a lot of voices happening in my head and uh and when you just kind of sit and you listen to them and you kind of like separate yourself from them sometimes and then question some of them sometimes i think that you you learn a lot of a lot of shit about what's going on in there that i don't think we know is going on in there when we're glued to the tv or we're glued to our phones and stuff like that yeah that giving yourself a moment in the the woods is there's there's a lot that's going on there one of the things that's going on is the that the woods didn't even know you were alive but before you walked into this mountain before you walked up this hill you'd never walked there before these trees these animals have no idea you're a thing they don't give a fuck about

you they're just trying to, they're surviving. The trees are trying to get moisture and light and the animals are trying to get food and they're trying to stay alive and not be eaten. And as you're walking there and you look over like, especially if you get to a mountain

and you can look into a valley and see more mountains in the distance, you realize like, you could die here and things would just keep going on and you're totally insignificant. But in your insulated little world you you look at yourself as being the center of the universe you know you're

because you're the center of your own mind and your own ego and there's nothing other than like i've always said that that's one of the reasons why people that live in mountain towns and people that live by the ocean are so chill because there's something about it that just lets you know hey motherfucker look out there look at all that water you ain't shit bitch yeah just relax yeah yeah you're in their home yeah you know when you're walking around you're in their home yeah it's also stunningly beautiful like colorado um when i i live there briefly and when i would drive up the into the mountains above boulder i remember thinking like man if this a painting, it would be worth so much money because it would be so...

The way art makes you feel is like I love art. I love seeing something cool. It gives you a nice feeling, but it pales in comparison to nature's greatest art. When the sun is peeking through the clouds in the perfect way and you see the green of the trees and the white snow caps and just fuck it's beautiful yeah it's so beautiful art that can

capture that is like yeah so beautiful too yeah yeah yeah it's you know someone's trying to you know and they're trying to take whatever that feeling is and you see something incredibly beautiful and then put it into something and give people that that that awe-inspiring feeling when you're looking at it but to me nothing does it like nature itself yeah no no way man it's like uh yeah i mean you can't really describe it actually you know like we bitch a lot being coloradans like we bitch a lot about how many people are like moving to colorado we bitch a lot man like the 14ers are so packed now like uh at least the close ones you know like the ones that you don't actually what's the when you see the 14 so they're 14 000 feet there's like there's 58 of them or something in in colorado and it's like a big thing to like hike all of them you know i've done about

uh i think like 28 or 29 of them i haven't done like the scary ass ones I've like tried some of the scary ones and I'm just like I don't know if that shit's for me man I'm good I'm good I'll wait till I accomplish my goals until you know I do something risky but yeah so they're just 14ers or whatever a lot of people travel to

do them most of the time when I'm hiking and doing them it's like people from out of state and like then I'm like oh yeah people, really care about doing these or whatever. But anyways, we bitch about people coming there all the time. But I think it's great. I don't care if the trails are crowded as shit and this and that. I think that the more people that get outside, man, the more peaceful I think we'll be as a people. the more peaceful I think we'll be as a people.

Just how often do we have to sit and not think of anything or watch anything or any of that? Never for me. I don't ever have to do that unless it's intentional. It used to not be intentional. It used to be just the way things were. Yeah, Colorado's experiencing a mass migration there the same way texas is yeah it's like a lot of the places that suck like california right now people are just like why am i here when i can be there yeah new york too man yeah uh i have an uncle in

new york and he was like dude the city is a ghost town yeah we just had a guy here yesterday hamilton morris was explaining how grim it is yeah and then you start to think about new york and you're like why would anyone ever do that no why would anyone ever stack themselves in a building that's just layered up and just live in one of the stacks of them well when everything was going great it's exciting you know yeah you're a cop like i have friends that are comics that love living in new york because you live in an apartment you hop in an uber you drive to this club you go to that club you're hanging around there's all this stuff to do there's all these restaurants let's go to this bar and that bar everything's hopping and bam bam fuck you it's all this energy yeah there's something happening constantly i always like visiting yeah i don't like living like that i

like birds chirping and shit and i'm not interested in all that honk honk fuck you i don't want to hear that every day austin's a lot like or a lot like denver actually yeah dude super like it like uh we're just walking up the street just yesterday and like where the capitol building is in comparison to like you know the the road with all of the uh the shops and all of that stuff i was like this is exactly like denver it's similar it's small it's smaller than denver for sure yeah but it's uh it's a good size i love it here yeah it's a good size it's like it's not too big it's not too small although uh a lot of people are moving here yeah it's kind of crazy

do you uh are you kind of like out of the city like on some land yeah yeah see i'm trying to get some land in colorado well ultimately i want to get a ranch out here i think that's the move is to be really out of the city nice yeah would you have some animals tim kennedy has a fucking helicopter he flies all over the place in a helicopter really yeah that crazy asshole he wanted to come visit me he goes uh can i land a helicopter at your house i go no no you can't bring a fucking helicopter at your house? I go, no. No, you can't bring a fucking helicopter to my house. First of all, I don't think there's a spot for it. And second of all, the neighbors are probably already weirded out by me. Fucking helicopters landing next door.

Does he drive it himself? Yeah. Is it big? He takes it to the range. There's a gun range out here. And he told me he does that. But they told me when I went there, they're like, if you hear a helicopter, that's Tim Kennedy. I'm like, really?

He comes here all the time with his fucking helicopter. So he'll take the helicopter, land it there, and then he'll take an Uber to the Onnit gym or wherever he's training, the Roka gym. Yeah, he's a maniac. Nice. Just loads the helicopter up with guns. He just does whatever the fuck he wants with that thing you don't have to go on a road you know you go up and then you go that way you don't need like a permit or yeah there's tim look at him he's just fucking flying around so well

he's got he knows how to do it i mean he's got a license but because of the fact that he has this helicopter he can just take it anywhere he wants to go i wouldn't be surprised if that's like a thing in 10 years where everyone kind of you know or maybe not everyone but a lot of people have their own helicopter well that was what it was invented for you know it was invented to be a flying car yeah the idea of a helicopter they thought when they first created it was what it was going to be like a flying car and everyone would have a helicopter instead of a car you get elon musk on that man yeah he'll probably make we're gonna have to go faster we're gonna have to make it electric just spaceships yeah just a bunch of blades not one big one like four small

ones we could park in a small area yeah if we get like some really super genius dude who's really into helicopters yeah that would be pretty badass. The day will come. Yeah. What is this? GM showed this video at CES last month. Oh, what is that? It's obviously not real yet, but this is their concept for what it will be like. Bro.

Yeah, and that way it's all contained. That's not real? No, no, no. Why isn't it real? I mean, it doesn't actually work yet. Don't fuck with me. Dude, imagine getting an accident in one of those. That's the shit. Or if they have one, it's a... Come on, GM. It doesn't actually work yet. Don't fuck with me. Dude, imagine getting an accident in one of those.

That's the shit. Or if they have one... So you get a parachute. That's not the video of it. Just pull a cord and a parachute pops out. How hard is that? Bro, that looks fucking amazing.

I need that now. Yeah, that looks awesome. We need to get Elon on this. Like, come on. Tell me we can't have a Tesla in one of those. That actually could work. Right?

Mm-hmm. I mean... Why not? Yes. Fuck yeah. Just follow the sky. you think we land on the roof here maybe why not why not talk to tim they probably have restrictions like there's certain areas where you're not allowed to land yeah but uh bill burr flies helicopters does he yeah yeah and uh he took me up in a flight. We went all around downtown LA.

And it's really weird. Like, you just kind of can go where you want. You know? Once you're up in the air, you're just like, we're going to go here, then we're going to go there. Because it's not high enough to where it interferes with plane flight. You're just hovering over buildings. But as we were flying over downtown LA, you realize a lot of these buildings, these big

ass buildings, have X's on the roof where people land helicopters. I hear that they're cheaper to do that. This is available now and has FAA approval, but you cannot buy one yet. What are you going to do? How do you get one then?

It's a car that turns into a plane. It's available, but you can't buy one. Oh, those are its wings? No, it's been approved that turns into a plane it's available but you can't buy one oh those are its wings no it's like been approved oh that looks whack yeah you need a runway for that we want something without a runway yeah i'm not sure that looks a lot of room for that i'd rather have the helicopter i want that other thing man that four helicopter jam is like vertical takeoff no space that's that's what. Yeah, this is nonsense. This is silly. Just pick a fucking thing.

You can get a car or a plane. The future of personal transportation. Listen, bro. Stop pouring all your money into this nonsense. No one's buying that fucking thing. Buy Bitcoin. Get out of here. Dogecoin.

How do you say it? I don't know, man. I don't know any of that stuff. How do you say it? I'm pretty sure it's Doge., man. Is it doge? I don't know any of that stuff. How do you say it? I'm pretty sure it's doge. Doge coin? It's a little French. Yeah, it's worth a lot of money.

The guy who created it apparently is blown away. He created it as a lark. 100% was a joke. And now it's actually valuable. It's worth like a dollar a coin now, right? Not quite. No, not quite? Maybe about five cents.

Oh. I thought Elon got it worth like a dollar a coin now, right? Not quite. No, not quite? Maybe about five cents. Oh. I thought Elon got it up to a dollar a coin. It was about up to 10 cents a coin, I think. From down to like... It was under a penny. Oh. And it got very... So now it's 10 cents a coin?

Honestly, I have no idea. The world is very weird over in that crypto space with forks and all sorts of things. Forks? Mm-hmm. What's a fork? Like a fork in the road. When it starts going this way,

the developers all are like, yep, yep, we're following the fork. They're saying that Bitcoin is one day going to reach a million dollars a coin. Maybe. Seriously?

Yeah. It's at 50K right now, which it has been. 50K? To get one coin? Yeah. Yeah, to own a whole coin, but that's like,

you can break it into pieces called Satoshis, and you only need a couple of those to do some stuff with. Are you going to start buying more Bitcoin? I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Clearly. Clearly he's buying Bitcoin. Scooping it up.

I am not a financial advisor. We had this gentleman on the podcast the other day. His name is Taylor Russell. And he made this movie called Silk Road. It's about Ross Ulbricht, who's the guy who created that Silk Road website. Do you know what that is? Silk Road is a website that I guess is apparently still up. But Ross is in jail for literally two life sentences, plus 40 years without the possibility of parole.

Because he created this online marketplace where you could buy any drug you wanted. You can buy LSD, mushrooms, and then it's all anonymous and encrypted and they could send it to your house and have it... The way they were paying for everything was Bitcoin. And the dude had made so much money. He'd made millions of dollars in Bitcoin at the time

when he was arrested years and years ago. What was it, like 2014 or something so if that today the amount of bitcoin it would be worth what was it 15 billion dollars it's a lot we looked at what they seized recently the u.s seized a billion dollars which in the time it's since they seized it it's now worth like over three and a half billion so he'd be worth a fuckload of money yeah man he's dealing drugs on the internet he wasn't doing it though he was providing a portal where people can deal the drugs yeah yeah it's a questionable little situation yeah but you know like if it's if it's grown adults buying and selling what like colorado has legal mushrooms now, right?

They're decriminalized. Yeah, they're decriminalized. Yeah. Which is like what, the step right before it happened? Yeah. You think that they'll be legal soon? Yes. A couple of years?

Yes. Because I think there's, you know, the UFC is doing studies on fighters with psilocybin because psilocybin has a property called neurogenesis. And this is hamilton morris who is a podcast guest yesterday he's the best guy to listen to talk about that because he's a genius and he went into depth about what what it can do and one of the properties of psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms in particular is it literally helps regrow brain tissue it helps regrow neurons it's one of the only things that they've found that can do that.

So they're starting to do studies with psilocybin at John Hopkins University and fighters. And UFC's involved in this. Wow. Yeah. What, like a micro-dose every day or something? I don't know how they're doing it. Yeah, they're probably still experimenting.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the protocol is. And maybe they're taking fighters that have been retired and are like, hey, I'm not sure what the protocol is. And maybe they're taking fighters that have been retired and, you know, are like, hey, you know, I'm experiencing some difficulties. And then they're getting them on larger doses and, you know, therapeutic doses and helping heal them. Yeah. If it heals them, then great. Dude, if they could figure out a way to make it so that all of the damage that someone takes from fighting is reversible. That would be phenomenal. Yeah. Imagine how far that could go, too, with, you know, all-timers and I'm sure like a million different things.

Yeah, a million different things. Do you have an idea in your head when you want to get out of the game? I have an idea. I think it's probably when I, you know, I enter into that, like, all right, I did everything phase. I would like to get out then. But also, like, I really, I don't know, man. Like, I really would like to ask Aldo and I'd like to ask Cruz, you know, because both of those guys I see as guys that are just like, they're obviously in it because they love it. You know, Reem, too.

You know, over in, too, where it's just like, you've been doing doing it for so long you did kind of everything that there is to do in the sport like why are you still doing it and i i mean my guess is the answer is that they love it a lot of them still love it i think it's also the how much money they get it's also where else can you get like that type of paycheck in one one night of course i mean what do you think Alistair was getting? Do you know what he was getting to show? No. Probably over half. Over half a million. Yeah. Somewhere probably in that range. That'd be my guess. Which is crazy.

Is that what he's getting? A little more. How much more? 750 to show. Yeah. You can't get that anywhere else. So every time you fight, you get $750,000 and he fights a lot. And if you win, you get $1.5 million.

Now think about it. Dustin made $1.2 million to fight Conor. And he's like, hey, I want some more fucking money. Yeah. It's like they're putting together the rematch. Oh, are they? Have you had any of this? Dustin's hot sauce?

No, I want some, though. Fucking damn good, son. Is some damn good is it well here bro i got you covered son have yourself a bottle of dustin poyer's hot sauce thank you i love that dude is it is it super spicy no it's it's it's you do you like spicy i like i like super spicy it's it's spicy enough it's good okay uh it's very good nice but it's delicious it's heatness.com heat unist.com and uh couldn't go money that money couldn't be spent on a nicer guy did you imagine that that fight was gonna go like that i didn't know what was gonna happen when i looked at that fight i was like i think uh dustin is on first of, he's on a hell of a roll. You look at what he has accomplished. But he had a war with Dan Hooker right before that, like a crazy five-round back and forth.

It could have been anybody's fight at any moment, kind of a fight, for five fucking rounds. And before that, he had lost to Khabib, but put Khabib in real danger, had Khabib in a nasty guillotine, fought a long, hard fight with Khabib. It's like, hmm, that guy's been active. And you look at the who's who of the guys he's beaten,

knocked out Justin Gaethje. You look at the guys he's... Eddie Alvarez. He's got a good resume. Fucking incredible. And over the last, you know, few years, for sure he's grown into his frame and he's a big 155 now. Whereas when he fought Conor, he was killing himself

to make 145. I remember, yeah, 190? Yeah. Isn't that crazy? And the guy's got awesome hands, you know, and I didn't think it was going to go that way, though. That low calf kick has changed the fucking game. Yeah. It's changed the game.

Got to get your ass out of the way of it. Yeah. I think it's going to improve everyone's footwork way more. It's that, too, but some guys have figured out a way to check it, and a good example of that is Pedro Munoz. Pedro Munoz is in his last fight against Frankie Rivera. Jimmy Rivera. Sorry, Jimmy Rivera.

Jimmy Rivera and him. Jimmy Rivera is a guy who's known to throw a lot of calf kicks. He fucked up Uriah Faber with the calf kick. That was a big weapon that he was using a lot in that fight. And if you look at that fight, and I watched it pretty closely because I watched it twice, Pedro Munoz fucked up Jimmy's leg with the calf kick but checked a lot of the calf kicks that Jimmy was throwing.

And if you see, when he checked it, he didn't just lift his leg out. He turned it all the way out. So his foot was completely sideways out. So as Jimmy's throwing the calf kick, his foot is completely out and taking it right on the shin. So he's not taking it on the meat of the calf at all, whereas Jimmy took a lot of those from Pedro on the calf itself. Is he putting him – I didn't get to watch the fight I

only watched the third round I forget what I was doing for one or two yeah that's what I heard um yeah you think that it put him too far out of position though checking like that it didn't it didn't with him no no I mean he knew it was coming and I I'm sure he prepared for it yeah see the thing is an American top team first of all you've got this giant stable of top tier talent but also you've got guys who are fighting in championship fights you've got a lot of like really good coaches and they're they're right at the cutting edge of the techniques that are used the most in the ufc and everybody's trying to figure out a solution that i got a text message from uh kieran fitzgibbons you know the the coach at csa he he he goes look i can tell people how to check this thing the idea you can't

check it it's fucking nonsense he's getting pissed so but it's that that's how you check it you've got to turn the foot out like you just can't take it like this like if your foot is facing forward you take it you only have a few of those and you're damaged. Yeah, it's what, four or five of them and then you're pretty compromised. How about Khabib? Khabib took a shitload of them against Justin and just kept charging at him.

Maybe that's why he charged at him though too. I think so. I think you recognize that. I kind of noticed that in Conor too in the Poirier fight where I saw that his leg was hurt and I was like, he's got to start going after him because there's no way he can go three more rounds like this. Yeah. Well, also with Conor, he's southpaw to southpaw, right?

So he's got that heavy front leg. He puts a lot of weight on the front leg. Conor does a lot of this where he leans in on that front leg. It's much harder to get the leg up much harder to move it much harder to check and with dustin being a southpaw as well it just opens it up to that kick it's right there yeah you know yeah they're nasty i think you should get your ass out of the way though yeah move the leg move the leg you know your guy moves a lot yeah you're very fleet of foot you know when do you practice a lot of calf kicks

in in training uh like people throwing them on me or throwing them uh well i guess both um yeah we do them do you use that calf guard you ever see that thing uh-uh it's a new thing that guys have come up with just to protect yourself from calf kicks very go to the calf guard i know they have an instagram page like a shin guard except for your yeah yeah that's very smart it's a thick heavy pad it's like a tie pad that's attached the outside of your calf so you can blast someone so you can do drills and blast someone with a calf kick and not fucking cripple them that's gonna be funny people are gonna get so good at attacking with all the parts of their body like their shoulders yeah you're gonna start looking

like the century bob everyone's gonna go strapped in in one of those suits when you saw that fight with connor and cowboy did you start practicing shoulders did you think about that uh tim means was doing those a long time ago dirty bird yeah yeah i i've seen him do that a long time ago it's really funny because you watch like uh a technique can be part of the the the the system and then it's not until someone that's like really high caliber fighter uses the technique that like people start to get on board with it you know like tim means was using those for a really long time i mean calf kicks have been around for a really long time we just now everyone's kind of like and i was kind of thinking back and you might know this

but who was who was it that made those like really really popular benson henderson was the first guy i ever saw throne yeah or one of one of the first guys there has to be someone recently though in the last couple years where there were where there was a fight where it was like this is the fight where now everyone's bought into this idea because i think i think as far as if i'm a fighter watching i think it's really easy to get confidence when you're like, oh, this guy is one of the best guys in the world and he's doing this. I need to do that. But when you see someone who's maybe, you know, two or three fights into their, into

their professional career and they're doing something the same, you're like, eh, maybe it's good. Maybe it's not, you know? Maybe it's not. So, I mean, I try to watch for all of those things early, you know, because I think that there's just as much to be learned from those, like, really, really, you know, high-level championship-level fighters as there are on, like, the day-one debut UFC fighters.

I think that there's just as much. I wonder what's out there that we haven't found yet. I know there's a lot of shit. You want to know how I know? So here's the calf guard. Look at that. Oh, that's cool. Pretty dope, right? So you can fucking dig it a lot of dudes gonna get torn acls from this thing

seriously you know because if you let guys like a francis and gano type character tee off on your calf like that pretty smart though smart to have that thing where you can practice it and really dig in but that you know that's the thing like there's this there's so much room for innovation in this sport yeah people are always finding some new ways to do things it's exciting i think last year too i don't know you tell me but it feels like the sport i mean obviously it's gotten bigger but man it feels weird to not have fights on saturday to watch yeah for me at least yeah because they're on almost every week they're on almost every single weekend that's a beautiful

thing about the ufc's espn deal yeah they've been crushing it man yeah dana white's been crushing it they crank out fights dude every when there's not a fight on saturday i don't know what i'm doing on saturday i know i think it's like that for a lot of people too where it's like that's like ingrained in us just like washing our hands and all of that shit. This weekend is bonkers. This weekend is a bonkers card. It's so good. There's fights on the undercard that people forgot about.

Cruz and Casey. Yeah. And then Dober against Islam. Yes. That's going to be sick. Islam Makachev and Dober is great. So let's look at this. Whose song you dong fighting?

Oh, yeah. Benavid, too. Kyler Phillips. I think he was scheduled to fight a Sun Tau or something first. That's a good fight, man. Oskar Oskarov, that guy's good. Yeah, he's good, too. That's a good fight.

Look, they're all ranked guys. The entire undercard is top 15 guys almost. No, this is one of those super cards. It legitimately is. Because if you go to the main card, like Jesus, Louises, I don't know what to think about that main event, man. Blachowicz and Adesanya is such a good fight. Yeah, did you hear Israel was saying maybe he'd be 200 pounds?

Yeah, he said he might be 193. He said don't be surprised if I weigh 193. What do you think of that? I don't know, man. I don't know either, bro. I mean, it's the laws of nature, bro. The bigger animal usually wins, right? He's so good, though.

Yeah, he's so good. He's such a virtuoso. He's a different breed. His striking is at such a high level, man. And he said he's not going to fuck with his body and put on a lot of extra weight. He said that shit slows you down and makes you tired easier. And he says, I'm fine where I'm at. Yeah.

I mean, we'll find out if he's right. If he's right, man, it's going to change a lot of people's thinking about weight classes. I mean, yeah. I mean, I guess what's the alternative? He just starts eating more and then he's like heavier. Well, you got to think if you really, it's more than that, right? You'd want to lift weights. You don't want to just eat more.

If he's coming from the Palo Costa fight, it's not that long ago. Yeah. I mean, how much stronger can you get in like four months though right if you're gonna go up to light heavyweight from where you're at you you know like if you're a 185er and you wanted to go up to 205 like a legit 205 you really want to probably get to like 220 dude that's bro that's that's a big gap 20 pounds is a big gap it's the biggest gap in the sport other than heavyweight. Yeah. I think there should be a weight class every 10 pounds. Every five, you mean?

Oh, every 10. Oh, you're talking about in the heavy ones. Oh, I think that there should be one almost every five. It's not a bad idea. Especially if we're going to start doing, you know, champ-champ stuff. You know, I think that it's not a bad idea to kind of maybe adopt some of that stuff in boxing and kind of, you know, why not make it every five pounds and then make, you know know two title fights every card isn't it weird though that the ufc has the names of the weight classes that exist in boxing but a totally different weight yeah very confusing

like welterweight in boxing is 147 welterweight in the ufc is 170 that's a fucking giant difference that's why yeah that's why i just always call them by their weights. Yeah. I always say 135, 45, because I don't even know a lot of them. I think that's the right way to do it, honestly. Like, call someone the 170-pound champion. I mean, welterweight, like, what does that even mean? What is a welter? That is a really fascinating fight, because I'll tell you what, that Wachowicz guy, That is a really fascinating fight. Because I'll tell you what, that Blachowicz guy, you can't zig when you should have zagged with that dude.

He hits so fucking hard. When you knocked out Dominic Reyes like that, I was like, oh my goodness. Even before that, you had to know too. Because even Dom's demeanor kind of changed where it was like, don't get hit by that. Well, he was getting those left kicks to the body. And he had Blachowicz's footprint on his ribcage. Do you remember that? It was fucking brutal.

Like, this huge black and red bruise on his ribcage. I'm like, fuck, this guy's getting crushed. I mean, he's just a heavy, bone-dense dude. Yep. He looks dense, bro. He looks like he hits hard. But, yeah, man, Israel is just so damn good. Israel is virtuoso.

He really is. He's a master. A master striker. I think he's intelligent enough to have thought of all the things that Blachowicz is going to try to do. It's a question, right? It's like if the guy's coming at you and he's much larger and there's much more danger in him hitting you,

like what do you do differently than you would do it for a 185-pound fighter? Like Paulo Costa. Like Paulo Costa, he's a destroyer, but he's a guy who beats guys up and then takes them and puts them away. He doesn't KO anybody with one shot. This guy KOs light heavyweights with one shot. I mean, he puts people in another dimension when he punches them. He hits fucking – when he hit Rockhold, when he KO'd Rockhold

and Rockhold's laying his back like, what the fuck? Yeah. You can see. One punch. That's all it takes. Boom. Especially in that littler cage too. That 25-foot cage, those guys are big, man. That's a good point. Boom. Especially in that littler cage, too. That 25 foot cage.

Those guys are big, man. That's a good point. Yeah. It's a very good point. You know, I mean. Hard to get away. Yeah. It's a difference, too.

You know, like you think like if it's a circle, five feet less, there's a lot less room for, you know, like this becomes less. And by the way, there's no one in the Apex Center. Why can't you get a full size cage in there? Bro, that's. I have no idea. You got plenty of room. Yeah. Yeah. there's no one in the Apex Center. Why can't you get a full-size cage in there? Bro, that's... I have no idea. You got plenty of room. Yeah, yeah.

There's no crowd. We can afford it. Yeah, what the fuck? Adesanya is the heavy favorite, with an implied win probability of 71.43%, despite Blachowicz, 27-8, being the incumbent champ in the higher weight class. A $10 bet on Adesanya to win would return a profit of just $4.

That's really surprising. Wow. Well, he's that good. I mean, he is that good. Yeah. I get it. But I think it's a dangerous fight. Because there's moments where you're there.

There's moments when you're there, you know. And he's been hit. I mean, he's been hit by Calvin Gastelum and he's been hit i mean he's been hit by calvin gastelum he's been hit by guys he got he got hit with a big shot from yoel romero and romero was standing straight at him you know he absorbed it and he you know he was fine but i think that blachowicz guy carries a lot of real fucking danger in his fists yeah you know no doubt it's crazy it's exciting yeah that's what you want to see man yeah plus the balls of him to go up to 205 and not even gain weight the balls and then talk about going

to heavyweight too yes and you know he's talking about fighting john jones but he said uh recently that he doesn't want to fight john without a crowd he said he wants to wait to the crowd so maybe around december that's fair yeah that, man, plenty of time to build that motherfucker up. Yeah. That fight. And then you've got to think, by December, who knows what's happening in the heavyweight division, right? Because we have Stipe versus Francis Ngannou, which is a crazy rematch.

When is that? That's real soon. It's March, right? Yes. April? 27th. Oh! That's just a couple weeks.

Oh! So you have that Derek Lewis who just Knocked Curtis out with one shot You know that's a crazy Entrance because he's beaten Francis Ngannou in a decision So you gotta wonder like what

Happens right after Francis and Stipe If Stipe wins does Stipe retire I mean if Stipe wins he beats francis a second time man on paper hard to say that guy's not the goat yeah you know lost the title regained it defended the title more than anyone ever stipe is a sleeper man he's a sleeper bro i think i don't i don't know because i don't follow like a ton but uh why isn't he you know up there i feel like i hear a lot of stuff about ninganu but i don't hear a lot of

stuff about stipe same thing with the first fight in the first fight people felt the same way you know everybody was thinking about ingano because he puts people into orbit yeah you know yeah he's got that physique and that look oh my god but he chaos people so badly yeah when he chaos them they're they're so fucked yeah like if you look at the fight with alistair when he caught him with that vicious shovel hook i mean my god yeah that was pretty oh my god it's like one of the worst chaos i've ever seen yeah watching that is hard yeah yeah yeah but the thing about stipe is he he's so close but also they're going to be fighting that little cage too yeah that's a vegas fight too yeah oh that's different yeah because t-base

got to get away from him and then also in ghana is going to get away from stipe taking him down that's different too yeah it's interesting in the smaller case i would like to see some stats on you know how how the fights are in the 25 foot cage versus the 30 foot one. Right. If there's more finishes. There's got to be some stats that they'll come up with. Yeah. I bet. If Stipe does win, I wonder if he's going to retire or I wonder if he waits around for

John. Because if he wins and then John comes up and fights him at heavyweight, holy shit. What a super fight that would be. If Stipe could beat beat john oh my goodness yeah oh my goodness you know yeah if john beats stipe whoo yeah so many fights yeah they need to add in another weight class in between 225 you think no yeah something all of them i think need to have a weight class in between it It's like there's too much now.

You know, it's too much. There's like too many really exciting fights. And the idea of the title getting held up for like a year or a year and a half, that's a long-ass time, man. Well, again, that brings us to Saturday Night as well with Amanda Nunes because Amanda, she's holding two titles and defending them both simultaneously that's crazy bro and like where's the real competition for her like there's no one person that stands out as being like wow I can't wait for Amanda to fight this person no she fucking

nuked Cyborg and then everybody's like Jesus and then every fight since then has been you know like she's had some good fights she's had some tough fights but there's no one that stands out jermaine durand to me was a real threat standing up you know jermaine is a vicious striker but you know megan it's not like people are calling for this megan fight it's just that megan is you know, in terms of who's available at 145, she's the best UFC contender. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough position, huh? Tough position, too. That weight class is Kayla Harrison, the judo champ that's fighting for PFL.

Yeah, because she's a fucking tank. Yeah. That's a real 145. See when she flexes, dude? Yeah. I hear she's a real 145. See when she flexes, dude? Yeah. I hear she has issues making 45. Or not issues, but I hear that 45 is like a cut for her. Yeah.

I bet it is. I bet it is. She looks like Drew Dober. She's jacked. Look at that. Bro. Bro. Come on.

That's Drew Dober. She is jacked. Have you seen Dober's legs? Oh, they're ridiculous. Tree trunks. Bro, it's crazy. Yeah, he's like a hippopotamus. Yeah, but go back to that picture again.

Come on, son. Look at the arms on her. I'd be proud of those arms. If I had arms like that, I would never stop flexing. I'd just walk around like that everywhere. That's how I go.

How tall is she? I do not know. Yeah. How tall is she, young Jamie? 5'8". Yeah, I don't know. You think the day

will ever come where we'll do like a lot of cross promotional stuff? I hope so. Yeah. Or don't know. You think the day will ever come where we'll do a lot of cross-promotional stuff? I hope so. Or I hope she just jumps ship and joins the UFC because the UFC needs a legit 145-pound threat to Amanda Nunes. I mean, after she knocked out Cyborg, there's been no real clamoring of someone for her to fight.

She's gotten people to fight in both bantamweight and in light heavy or in um uh featherweight where people are willing to fight her but there's no one that really stands out yeah yeah yep something needs to happen yeah what uh who do you think the winner of jan and uh sterling should fight maybe this uh this is a san haagen kid that's been killing it lately. I mean, who else? Pedro Munoz. He KO'd Cody Garbrandt.

Cody's back in it after KOing a Sun Tzu. Cody wants TJ. Everybody wants TJ because there's a lot of money in fighting TJ. So there's a lot of fights for them. I think you. That's what i would say yeah particularly based on those last two fights and if aljamain wins holy shit what a fight that is yeah you know you guys fighting again a rematch for the title i think the division needs like a

good trilogy you know what a cool trilogy when when was last time we had like a cool trilogy in the ufc right i guess it's going to be Poirier and McGregor probably next. Yeah. It seems like they're going to do that. But they've got to pay Dustin. A man can't live off hot sauce money alone. He needs that cheddar. Yeah.

I mean, listen. If Khabib's not going to fight for the title, and you're not going to have an interim title, if Khabib's going to fight for the title again, I want Oliveira. Because I feel like if anyone's going to fight for the title again, I want Oliveira. Because I feel like if anyone's going to fight for the actual title, I feel like as a purist,

Charles Oliveira has looked sensational. You look at what he did to Tony Ferguson. You look at what he did to Kevin Lee. You're like, this guy is on fire right now. His technique is so sharp. He's so good. I want to see Oliveira fight for the title. But if it's not for the title, if it's just a big-ass money five-round fight, okay.

That makes sense. You do a rematch because you're not holding anything up, right? But you got to have a title fight eventually. Yeah, you got to. You got to. I think Dana does not want Khabib to retire, and he doesn't want to take the title away from him and then have him come back again for the title.

He wants him to fight again for the title. But I just don't know if he's going to be able to convince Khabib. I think Khabib, he drives a fucking Toyota truck, dude. That guy doesn't need shit. He lives in the same house he's always lived in. That's awesome. I don't know him. I would really love to get to know that guy

because I'm sure that he has like a ton of lessons, you know, to teach people. Yeah. But yeah, man, I get that feel where he's in it for the love, bro. He's in it to maul, bro. That's like one of my favorite lines of all time. I just want to, or did he say smash or maul? I just want to smash. I just want to maul people.

That's all that I want to do. Yeah. Yeah, I'm on board with that. He had one of the best quotes ever about Conor. I want to change his face. Change his yeah whoa see yeah learn it like for me as a as a fighter kind of coming up i watch people talk like that and tyson's one of my favorite people to talk or listen to talk also and then uh kobe bryan is a good one but like all of those guys where it's just like borderline like a little psychoticotic, you know, like borderline, like, wow,

these guys are probably fantasizing about like hurting their opponents. Oh, yeah. For weeks, you know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tyson most certainly did. Do you ever see that documentary on Tyson where he goes into depth about his thought process going from walking from the dressing room walking to the ring and

then stepping into the ring the transformation that his mind makes i saw a video of it where he's like and i'm looking at him and i'm looking at him and i'm waiting for him find that jamie find that pull that up i love it i love that tyson's so open about talking about stuff like that because i mean i promised my mom and erica that i would keep it like fairly at a low level of intensity with my like detail and description of like what goes on in my mind too. Why? Because it is a lot. It's like a lot of violent stuff like that.

So talking on here about that? Yeah, because I don't. They don't want you to talk about that? Yeah, they don't want me to sound like a fucking nutball, man. Like a, you know? And who knows, you know? Who knows, bro? I don't want someone to frame me later, you know? And who knows, you know? Who knows, bro? I don't want someone to frame me later, you know?

So your mom and your girlfriend sat you down, and they go, let's have a talk. Yeah, because I've, you know, in the past, I've brought up, like, yeah, you know, like, I just would really like to, and I, you know, I got memed for this, but, you know, I was ready to rip his heart, or rip his chest open and start eating his heart you know

like just saying weird shit like that it's like my mom and girlfriend were like please for god's sake don't say that because then the neighbors want to talk to us about it yeah but no man i'm i think that like i don't know how many other people are on that level of like thinking but you know it's definitely something that i've adopted and i think that it's like really a really good survival tool for this sport. Having a mind like that is a super good survival technique. Is it because when the shit goes down and you're in the middle of the firefight, you're maintaining that mindset rather than trying to gather it up

while it's a fight for your life? Yeah, and you just have to be ready to gather it up while it's a fight for your life yeah that and you just have to be ready to do it man like you have to be ready to really really harm someone like if you get if you get someone's you know if you get someone in a heel hook you have to be ready to like break it yeah right like it's not it's not training right it's not like you're going in and it's like i maybe have this i maybe don't whatever i'll let go because i don't want to hurt this person it's like no if i get that, I better be ready to wrench on it. You have to be prepared for that level of violence.

And I think that you don't really get to prepare for that unless you've done a lot of hard thinking about it. When Curtis and Derek Lewis fought, and Derek KO'd him with that uppercut and then blasted him when he was out a couple of times, and then he's like, hey, that's Herb Dean's fault like he's right he is right he's right I mean a lot of people were saying hey maybe he shouldn't have hit him when he was out like that and then he's like what if he rises up like the undertaker yeah I I mean man like uh I used to look at guys

like that and be like that guy's an asshole you know but now i get it like now i get it like uh everyone has to be different when you're in that cage it's a different set of cultural rules like you're not operating in the same mentality that you are when you're walking to the supermarket yeah or walking up and down the austin strip like that's not where you have to be in your head when you walk into a cage and people aren't going to understand that i didn't understand that for a really long time where it was like even someone like cody garbrandt and mcgregor like you watch how they act and uh sometimes you're like man that guy's like really arrogant like this and that and it's like that's what he's doing because we're in like we're in a different

set of cultural rules yeah you know like here it is play this oh yeah yeah i've seen this you get volume on this there's one that's why i thought you were talking about the one where he's voicing it over. Yeah. I'm having a real hard time finding it for some reason. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm just finding the most intense Mike Tyson walkout, but it's just the one from the Spanx fight.

Oh, man, I want to hear it. The one from the Spanx fight. He looks like demonic. He said he had gonorrhea when he went there. He had gonorrhea while he knocked out Michael Spanx. Which is so crazy. If you can find it, you can find it could find if not don't worry about it but it's one of the when he walks through he's like and then when i walk through the ropes i'm a god yeah you know yeah like poof yeah that just gives you

goosebumps man i totally think that that's what he thinks too i mean yeah man when i walk into the cage like i said when i feel untouchable now like that's not true that's how i feel oh here it is do it from the beginning take it from the beginning no as soon as I walk into the cage, like I said, when I feel untouchable now, that's how I feel. Oh, here it is. Do it from the beginning. Take it from the beginning. No. As soon as I come into the ring. As soon as I come into the ring.

No, from the beginning. No, stop it. That's not true. Oh, here it is. While I'm in the dressing room, five minutes before I come out, my gloves are laced up. I'm breaking my gloves down. I'm pushing the leather on the back of my gloves. I'm breaking the middle of the gloves so my knuckle could pierce through the leather.

I feel my knuckle piercing against the tight leather gloves on the Everlast boxing gloves. When I come out, I have supreme confidence. I'm scared to death. I'm totally afraid. I'm afraid of everything. I'm afraid of losing. I'm afraid of being humiliated. But I'm totally confident. The closer I get to the ring, the more confidence I get. The closer, the more confidence I get. The closer, the more confidence I get. The closer, the more confidence I get. All during my training, I've been afraid of this man. I thought this man might be capable of beating me. I've dreamed of him beating me,

but I always stayed afraid of him. But the closer I get to the ring, I'm more confident. Once I'm in the ring, I'm a god. No one can beat me. I walk around the ring, but I never take my eyes off my opponent. I keep my eyes on him, even if he's ready and pumping. He can't wait to get his hands on me as well. I keep my eyes on him. I keep my eyes on him. I keep my eyes on him.

Then once I see a chink in his arm, boom, one of his eyes may move, and then I know I have him. Then when he comes to the center of the ring, he still looks at me with his piercing look and as if he's not afraid. But he already made that mistake when he looked down for that one-tenth of a second. I know I had him.

He'll fight hard for the first two or three rounds, but I know I already broke his spirit. During the fight, I'm supremely confident. I'm moving my head, he's throwing punches. I'm making a miss and I'm countering. I'm hitting him to the body. I'm supremely confident. I'm moving my head. He's throwing punches. I'm making a miss, and I'm countering. I'm hitting him to the body. I'm punching real hard. And I'm punching, and I'm punching,

and I know he's not able to take my punches. One, two, three punches. I'm throwing punches and punches. He goes down. He's out. I'm victorious. Mike Tyson, greatest fighter ever lived. Yeah, bro.

That's how you learn how to be intense, man. He's so fun to listen to talk. Oh, yeah. He is. He's so fun to listen to talk. When I got him fired up, last time I was talking to him, he started talking about conquerors. He started talking about Genghis Khan,

and you realize how much he studied those people. I read a lot about those people also. Yeah? Yeah. I like studying war strategy and uh he brought up like napoleon and all of those guys yep um i like to read uh when i'm in camp like i'll read like as much you know war strategy and shit on war and stuff on combat and psychology of combat and all that stuff i'll read that stuff because i really believe man like uh you can really program that

in your brain you know so like the first 30 40 minutes of my day when I'm in training camp and outside, but I'm just reading different things when I'm outside of training camp is like war stuff, man, because you can really program. I think you can program yourself to not only like it's important in performance, man, but fighting is so much bigger than just what's happening in the cage, man. It's like it's a place, you know, like it's a certain environment. Like it's a certain place that you need to put yourself in that just is where you need to be, in my opinion, to be at the level, you know, that I'm competing at now. So when you say war books, like what kind of books?

What are you reading? Yeah. So when you say war books, like what kind of books were you reading? I'm really enjoying Robert Greene's The 33 Strategies of War, which kind of just covers like a lot of, you know, each chapter is a different strategy of war. And I'll read each chapter and, you know, sit and kind of think about like, OK, how can I use this in my arena? You know, because not a lot of it is not a lot of it is just on the actual combat part, because what we're doing, man, because I get a lot of, you know, praise or compliments on like how technical I am. I could give a shit less how technical I am. You know, I could, I could care less about how good of a striker I am. I could care less about like how skilled I am or any of that. What I want to be as a master of war, you know, and that's, that extends

way past technical part. That extends into the level of intensity that you're bringing in when you walk into a fight. It, it extends into how you're living each day in day life and how your relationships go. And, and, and, uh, it's, it's way outside the cage, man. So for me in camp, I'm not a very fun guy to be around you know like because i'm programming myself in order to you know be as war-minded as possible and that you know like i said that shit don't work in real life so uh i'm trying to find nice balance in it but uh it's it's just different man like when you're reading those things i feel it in my bones man like i'm just a different person the way i see things the way i view things is just geared towards how do I get what I want through all of these things.

And this is something that you're programming your mind to think like. Yep, definitely. It's just something where, I mean, books are just brain food. And I spend my first 30 or 45 minutes of every day reading something like that because I think it gets me in that gear. You know, it gets me, it just gets me in that war brain like you see with Tyson. You know, it gets me going in that direction. And it's kind of a peaking process as camp kind of goes through. In the beginning, obviously, it doesn't need to be too intense.

Around like four or five weeks out, it's pretty intense. too intense around like four or five weeks weeks out it's it's pretty intense about three weeks away it's uh i don't really care too much about what else is happening in in life or in the world or whatever it's it's solely like that night and then two weeks away is a little bit more intense one week away my entire fight week i don't do anything you know like i do my media but i literally i just lay in bed and i imagine how I want the fight to go. What's going to go right? What's going to go wrong? When things start to go wrong, how am I going to react to that?

And it's like, it's literally just me laying in bed. And every once in a while, I'll go hang out with my corners. I'll watch TV, something stupid for an hour with them. I'll go back to my room. I'll do the same thing again. And it's just, it's this peaking process that you, that I never knew anything about until I started kind of like gearing my mind for war and talking with people

and talking with my sports psychologist and all of that. And it's a peaking process, man. So that when I walk into the arena that night, now, you know, now that I feel like I'm a new fighter, I'm ready to flip the switch like this, you know, like when I'm getting my hands taped, I'm sitting there and I'm like, you know, let me put my hands on someone. And I think that that's like, from the reading of the books, from the peaking process, from the visualizations, from, you know, having thoughts of like, wanting to really put your

hands on someone to put it nicely and laying in bed and not thinking about anything else except for how dominant you're going to be in this fight. It's a whole new thing for me now, man. In the last couple of fights, it's for sure flourished. So before that, on the week of the fight, in your previous fights, how would you handle the week of the fight? Distract myself. I see that all the time with fighters too, is they'll try to distract themselves as much as possible. And if you don't give yourself time, whether it's a week before, 10 weeks before, whatever, if you don't give yourself time to sit with those thoughts that are happening inside your head, they're going to come out.

And they're going to come out 10 minutes before the fight, 15 minutes before the fight. And you're not going to have time to deal with those, uh, in, in my belief. So I don't try to distract myself. I sit there and I watch everything that's happening in my brain and I'll say, okay, yeah, that's good. I don't really want that idea. I don't want that thought in there. So let's not, you know, you don't have any business being here. Like i think really good example is uh the the morning i woke up to fight frankie i'd i and i've had this happen in the past too and i didn't know how to deal with it i just didn't feel like fighting you know i don't know if it's because of the moment or because uh i think after doing a lot of thinking about it, I think it's that my Eastern way of thinking about things where it's like no desire, no attachment, no this.

It wants to make your life feel really small. It wants you to have goals that are this big because anything this big is you're going to have to suffer that much more for. So that's in me. I did a lot of time programming that in me, but the day of the fight isn't for that. You know, the day of the fight is for me to be wired in on, you know, getting the job done. And so that morning of the fight, I just didn't feel like fighting. And I think it's just because I tried to make it little. I tried to be, you know, I tried to, you try to tell yourself all kinds of things like, ah, if you lose, nothing really

changes, blah, blah, blah. You start making excuses for yourself. And I think that that's why I try to make things small. But I remember I was writing in my journal that morning because I couldn't get the thought out of my head. I couldn't get it out where I was like, man, I got to fight later. That's a really intense thing. I don't know. I don't really feel like doing that.

And then I started writing in my journal. And it's just another demon in your head that wants to make your life this big. When really, like, we're not made to be this big. We're made to do what we want with our lives. And that little demon in there, fuck that guy. You know? Fuck that guy. that guy and uh and now that i'm and i and i really believe if i tried to distract myself that whole day and not think about that that that demon would have popped up and been like hey guess

what bitch we're happening 10 15 minutes before the fight you're feeling small and like i don't do that anymore i sit there in bed and i just think, and I watch my thoughts and I just make sure that I'm 100% geared and ready to go. Wow. That's heavy. I love it. That's going to be some kid's version of that Mike Tyson speech right now. Just like a little bit more of a nasally voice, a little, a little bit paler skin, but it's also like, you know, you're, you're talking about some real shit. Like this, this, the little mind games that your, your head plays on you, you know you're you're talking about some real shit like that this this the little mind games that your your head plays on you you know where your head's like it doesn't matter if you win or lose it's no big deal your head tries to diminish the moment in some sort because confronting the reality of what you're about to do it's so difficult to do that it gets it you

can be crippled just by the anxiety of it yeah it's easier to be small than it is to be big yes i used to name my egos yeah i used to name them because i would watch them and they'd be like it'd be like similar shit popping up over and over again so i used to just name all of the voices so that i didn't attach myself to to to me you know uh like i the one that would get pissed off a lot i would name him samson so So whenever I would catch myself being really angry, I'd be like, not today, Samson. Maybe a little bit later, maybe during practice. But right now, not right now. And then I'd have Charlie.

Charlie wanted to go out all the time, and he wanted to have fun, and he didn't want to train hard. And I named Charlie, and I told Charlie to go away a bunch of times. And I had a bunch of names for all of these little demons inside of my head that I would just have to tell to you know fuck off sometimes interesting yeah you named them it makes it easier that way because then you're not

identifying that it's me that's thinking this is just some stupid person oh interesting it helped me a lot helped me a lot how do you know who's who? Any thought is someone. I think even the good thoughts are the ones that are the most dangerous because they're the ones that you want to have, but they might not be the healthiest because they can get greedy and they can get hungry. For example, I want shit. I don't like nice things.

I'm not big on all of that stuff, but, uh, I want to set myself or I want to set myself up and my fam, my future family up with like a good life. And sometimes that voice even gets a little bit greedy where it's like, um, I'm looking for things to invest in. I'm looking for, you know, how much, how much more can I get on my next contract? This and that. And I haven't named that one because that's kind of a new one because now I'm actually making some money, but, uh, I haven't named that one because that's kind of a new one because now i'm actually making some money but uh i haven't named that one but even that one i'll be like not today man we're a little bit too close to the fight i don't need to be stressing about where i'm investing my money right now it's just about you know taking care of business yeah so when you when you say that the the the good, they can be a problem too.

The good thoughts. The good thoughts, yeah. I see people do that all the time. So, for example, I think that when you interview a fighter and you hear them not acknowledge anything that their opponent does well, I think that that's, you know, you – that's like a good thought that is – it can sabotage you later so if i'm like okay uh well uh sterling's a really good grappler but he can't strike it's like that's not true like he can

strike but me telling myself that is a good thought for me like you know it maybe makes me a little bit less anxious but is it true no so like so why am i telling myself that good thing it's only so that i can like get a little bit less stressed but it's not a good thing? It's only so that I can get a little bit less stressed. But it's not a good thing because it's not true. Right. That makes sense. It's those good ones, man, the good ones. Like, for example, I'm on a roll right now.

Like, I knock Frankie out. It's hard for me sometimes to not feel like the man right now a little bit. Like, my ego wants to feel like the man. But it's like, nah, man, not today. You know, not today. We got training today. But you should feel a little bit like the man. Should today. Not today. We got training today. But you should feel a little bit like the man. Should you?

I think. I don't know. Just a touch. Well, shit, I mean, I definitely do. So that's not an issue. There you go, though. Well, you're admitting it. There's something to it. It's like you're recognizing and acknowledging that all this hard work and even these mindsets that you put yourself in where you

do grapple with reality like it's working yeah you know it's clearly working in two big fights in a row yeah yeah uh but also i think that that little voice that you know makes you feel like the man if he gets just like any voice if it gets carried away it's gonna it's gonna lead to me not doing what i need to do in order for me to keep excelling and keep doing better and better and and i think that it's easy to ride a nice wave it's a it's like we were talking about earlier when you lose you never want that to happen again but when you're winning you're kind of coasting you're doing good you know it's it's not easy to make a a change when you're winning but it's like changes still need to happen when you're winning that's the problem need to happen when you're winning.

That's the problem, right? When everything's going great, then things are kind of comfortable. And when things are comfortable, you're not growing. Yeah. And it feels good. It feels good to be comfortable. But it's not good. It's not good to be comfortable. Especially in this sport.

You'll get fucked up in this sport if you get too comfortable. I think it's probably in almost anything that's difficult. Yep. Comfort is probably a bad idea. Yep. All the is probably a bad idea. Yep. All the time, man. And maybe I have an issue of taking a breath, smelling the flowers, because I want to win a world title. I want to reign as the champ for a really long time. That's why I have my heart set on.

So it's really hard for me to just pause and be like, all right, cool. I just had a really great knockout against Frankie. Awesome. That's really hard for me to just pause and be like all right cool like I just had a really great knockout against Frankie like awesome you know like that's really hard for me to do I know that it's important but like nah man I want I want a world title really bad so so you are sitting here waiting on the results of this Saturday and you're likely in the running there's just a couple other people that are in the running there's Pedro Munoz there's uh again we talked about but there's no way tj is going to come back and get a direct shot at the title especially after getting popped for epo so he's going to have to be at least one person probably a couple people um where where do you see the division right now when you when you look at that like you are likely one of the next guys in line for the title.

Would you be willing to fight one more time for the title? Are you going to hold out for a title shot? What's your thoughts? I don't like the idea of holding out. No, it would be, if they give me the title shot, great. If I have to win another one, I'm cool with that too. I want it to be for a number one contender spot, and I feel like the only people that are really in that conversation

is probably Garbrandt and probably TJ. But even Garbrandt, right, he has one victory after losing three in a row. And then even TJ coming back from a two-year suspension. Should he even? So at this point, I really think that I'm the man. I'm the guy that should be getting called out. What's your ranking right now? Two.

I've been two since I beat Marlon. Yeah, Sterling's one. And then when I beat Marlon, I became two. I stayed number two when I beat Frankie. So it's got to be you next. I mean, as a purist, that's how I look at it. As a purist, yeah. And then where's Pedro?

Pedro Munoz. Where's he stand? I think he was maybe seven or eight before Rivera. And after the Rivera fight, where's he at? Okay, so Rob Font. That's right. Rob Font's a bad motherfucker, too. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Rob Font is good. God damn, what a stacked division. What a stacked division. And Jose's still number five. Interesting. Yeah. What a fucking division, man. Yeah. I mean, for me me i'm definitely open man i i mean the ufc has been talking about doing a me and tj fight you know i'm on board with

that yeah i don't know why it wasn't really him in february because he was off of his suspension i was the number two guy in february i don't really know why it was him in February. But anyways, man, I think that I should be, you know, either next for the title or given someone like the UFC has been talking about me and TJ, I'm open to that fight also. Yeah. So there's TJ, there's Cody, there's Rob Font. Rob Font looks like a goddamn assassin now too.

He's very good. There's so many good fighters, man. What a crazy division. Like people are so good. There's so many good fighters man it's what a crazy division like there's people are so good there's so many good guys you can kind of forget about rob font till you see the the rankings and like jack jesus he'll he'll be one of those guys though he'll be like uh you know he'll be like a me he just needs like two you know two good finishes over these top guys and then who did he just came like me he just he just KO'd Marlon that's right yeah that's right yeah yeah dude so he's already got one he just needs you know yeah Marlon imagine going back to the first round that Cejudo fight Marlon looked like a fucking world beater looked like he was

gonna be the man looks like the man you know it's chiseled guys built like a greek god yeah we were watching uh me and my coach Christian we were watching that fight somewhere, and it was him and Suhudo that were fighting. And I forget when this was. It must have not been too long ago, but Christian goes, yeah, man, you win that fight. And I was like, what? I was like, you said that with so much confidence, you know? And I think that I can probably beat anyone,

but I wouldn't answer that question with that much confidence if I was him. Why do you think you have so much confidence in you? I think, you know, for me, like I said, I try to – I don't know if I try to keep my confidence low, but I try to remind myself that I'm not where I want to be. I don't want those good voices coming in too much. I don't need them. They don't want those good voices coming in too much you know uh I don't need them they don't help me right at at times they help me at other times but uh I think that I don't I don't really

care to be too confident I think I care to be really good and uh and and that's what I care about so I don't really see myself as a uh like a phenomenal fighter to be honest like I know that that's comparatively I probably am one of the best uh but in my head I'm like I have a I have a picture of like what a perfect fighter of me looks like and I'm nowhere near that person so I don't even and I compare myself to that person I don't care my I don't compare myself to the other people in the division to me I compare myself to that perfect fighter that I have in my own head. Do you have a favorite fighter from the past that you like watching? Yeah.

Dude, I used to be a huge fan of all those WEC guys. Like Cerrone, Cruz, Faber, Aldo, of course. Aldo was one of my favorites. All of those guys from the past. My probably all-time favorite fighter, though, is Andy Sauer. Really? Yeah, probably. I mean, as far as kickboxing goes, definitely one of my favorite fighters.

So I went out in 2014 when I was still an amateur. I was on the U.S. team for the WKA team. And we went and competed. And afterwards, because I used to train with Dwayne Ludwig also a little bit, and I was like, hey, Dwayne, do you think I could go train withwig also a little bit and uh i was like hey duane like do you think i could go train with andy for like a couple weeks and he was like yeah yeah we'll set it up and he actually did set it up and then like here i am after i i fought in the wkas uh like a couple days later like staying at andy's neighbor's house getting picked up by him at the

at the uh at the little train station or however I got there. And I was like, this guy really picked me up from the train station, you know? Like I was 20, 22 years old. And I was like, damn, this guy is awesome, you know? And he was like my favorite fighter of all time. That was like one of my favorite moments in my whole life is like seeing him pick me up in this like ugly ass van i was like this guy is this really happening you know that's pretty dope yeah it was dope i wish kickboxing was more popular today i really do i do i do too it was huge k one days yeah in japan yeah i was a little bit too young but i'm sure you really really appreciated that huh yeah i can only imagine

yeah it's uh to me it's a bummer that Glory never really caught on. I mean, I still watch the events, but, you know, you've got to buy it through some fucking janky app. It's weird. Like, last time it barely worked. You had to do it online, and it was annoying. Yeah. It's like, I want it to be on pay-per-view, like regular TV,

like, you know, like the UFC is. I hate all those apps, bro. We've got to do some of it. Consolidate the apps, man. Consolidate at least the fighting ones. This was on fight. F I T E.

Yep. I know that one. Yep. I know that one. There should be more of a demand for high level Muay Thai and high level kickboxing. Like I don't get it. It's so exciting. One does an okay job.

Yeah. One puts on some badass fights. They do. I don't know how well they're so exciting. One does an okay job. Yeah, they do a good job. One puts on some badass fights. Yeah, they do. I don't know how well they're paying their guys, but they put on some badass fights. They pay them well. Yeah. They got, uh, Nikki Holeskin is, uh, gonna fight John Wayne Parr.

Oh, sick. After John Wayne Parr got a fake hip. Seriously? Yeah, he got his hip replaced. Like? He's got his hip resurfaced. They completely resurfaced his hip, and now he's throwing kicks again and everything again and everything damn like you can get your hip replaced now and fight damn i know that's crazy yeah the cap of his hip was so worn out he sent me like the medical list of all the shit that

was wrong with his hip and you're like oh my god it was like torn labrum torn this torn that arthritis cartilage damage like everything's all fucked up in there. That's crazy. Just from year, you know, John is heavy with the left leg, throws a lot of left leg kicks. He just wore his shit out. It was just completely torn apart. Is he the guy that took the picture on Instagram of like all the cuts on his face? Yeah, exactly.

Lead cards announced for all one on TNT event. So's on on tnt yeah starting in april they're gonna have four cards it says really boxing is that kickboxing kickboxing maybe it's all of it i guess i typed in kickboxing and i got no see well they are doing some kickboxing with small gloves and that's the the fight with nikki holtzkin what do you think of that you like that why not i like it why not i at first i was was like, this is weird, but I mean, why not? If they're not poking each other in the eyes every 10 seconds, then why not? So, what is this? Flyweight World Championship, Marize versus Johnson.

How do they both have belts? I don't watch one enough to know what's going on. I know Mighty Mouse. Mighty Mouse is still the fucking man. Out of all the people that I've ever watched fight, he's one of the best examples of martial arts excellence that I've ever seen. He's the GOAT, in my opinion, for me. Technically, yeah.

Even just achievements-wise, like what he was able to do when he was at the top of his game. And just how he's winning, too. He's just crushing people when he wins. Who the fuck did he slam and go uh the armbar yeah who is it i don't know um god damn it it's crossing my i see him i see his face he picked him up slammed him and threw him right into an armbar i'm like Jesus yeah at that point. He's just showing off and he told me he does that all the time in training Raybork, that's right. Thank you. Yeah My god imagine having that level of confidence

They're just like I'm gonna do this shit in this fight against like some of the best guys in the world And this of the so who do a fight? It's like yes, so who don't beat him, but He didn't beat him enough for like you can't like why are you leaving i thought so too i thought so too yeah i mean he i guess he got a really great offer at one fc and the ufc said go ahead yeah you know i think the ufc is in this weird position with the flyweight where they're not 100 on board and davison figuerito is a great champion right now so they're excited about that and he was supposed to fight cody cody says he can make 125 so it's not a problem i believe it i think so i fought on the same card as cody uh he he looks like he doesn't you know deplete himself

too much no i don't think he does yeah you said it's not gonna be much of a problem that's that's exciting if cody can get down there and fight Figueiredo that's a big fight but they're doing the Brandon Moreno rematch with uh Davis and Figueiredo so Cody's gonna stay at 35 for now yeah so command that that's something that the flyweight division needs though right they needed like when TJ went down I don't think TJ really could make that I mean he made the weight but he really almost killed himself i fought on the same card and he his face did not look like a face that should be fighting the next day you look like a guy who just got out of a fucking concentration camp yeah he looked terrible he looked like a guy who like was starving in the woods and they found him like they rescued him

yeah you know what i'm saying like a little leathery well it just looks like his everything was just sunken in there There was nothing left of him. It's just a terrible thing to do to your body, and then 24 hours later you rehydrate and have a cage fight. And for him, it was such a depletion that it wasn't even just dehydrating. Like he said he went into anemia. He was anemic, and that's one of the reasons why he took EPO. Maybe that's an excuse.

But, you know, I mean, he said he couldn't get out of bed, and meanwhile he's supposed to be training for the biggest fight of his life. If you can't get out of bed, you probably shouldn't be fighting in that weight class. Yeah, exactly, exactly, especially against a beast like Cejudo. Yeah. Cejudo's a savage. He's a savage, bro. He really is.

He's one of those guys, and that's why I asked you earlier about, like like do you try to read people's demeanors when they walk into the cage he's one guy that i walk into the cage and i'm like this guy's done this a million times oh yeah yeah he's done it a million times through his olympic you know uh career and just fighting in general i was like yeah this guy's been there and he's another guy too where a loss turned him into who he is like that lost a mighty mouse mighty mouse stopped him you know that he realized like okay i i just got to the top of the mountain this dude really is the fucking man like i i have another level to achieve i now i have to get better you need them sometimes man they hurt but you need you need them sometimes it is really

interesting that the the mind like there's no there's no clear you can't just go well this is the work that you have to do this is the mindset do you have to put it no it's like a constant wrestling match with your consciousness constant wrestling wrestling match with the seeking comfort and avoiding injury and avoid the god i want to be tired oh i don't want to push myself it's this constant battle of you trying to get control of your emotions and your mind and your body yeah it's uh it's non-stop man especially when you're losing bro like i i swear for 10 weeks or i guess so i do 10 week camps for nine weeks every single day i'm sore and every single day i'm like today is probably

gonna suck a little bit you know for nine weeks and then that last week i try to taper and even then i'm like losing weight and having a sweat and stuff so it's it's even shitty then and then i wake up on the fight and i'm like okay i finally feel like an athlete you know what do you weigh right now i'm probably i'm a little bit bigger right now so i'm probably a little under 160 whoa yeah it's like 58 i would guess that i'm probably 58 i don't check when i'm out of camp but in camp i'm probably you know training good and like eating still what i want i'm probably about 53 and so how hard does that cut i try to get to 148 uh a week before and then i just lose the last 13 so really i'm going from 53 of like being in good shape and eating okay losing five pounds

and then cutting that last 13 that week and are you depleting are you doing that water load thing where you drink a lot of water uh yeah so i'll do um i do the trifecta meals uh the ufc sends out trifecta meals to me for that camp and then then, uh, and then, yeah, so nine days away. So I guess the golden rule now, and who knows, it's probably different for everyone, but you're supposed to do a pound of water for every pound that you have to lose when you're 10 days away. So if I'm 14 pounds heavy, then I have to lose each gallon, I think is eight pounds. So I'm, I'm drinking about a little bit over a gallon and a half because that would be about 14 pounds 10 days away in water. That way I can flush through all of that water

is going in me so I have it to lose. Do you have a weight cutting coach? So I used to work with this woman named Laylee and she's the one that got me on that when I worked with her they were that was like those were the smoothest easiest cuts that I've ever had now I'm using trifecta but I'm still doing a lot of the things that Lely taught me in those years and so trifecta do they give you the meals based on your weight class the calorie output where you're at in your training like how do you know no it takes some tapering um or tampering um like i have to do uh sometimes i can eat a little bit more and sometimes i can't some weeks and i just you know i just cut the portion i give it to the dogs if if i'm uh if i'm a little bit heavier and and i need to be based on the scale just based on the scale yep and and i'm pretty good at at going to bed and being like,

I'll probably weigh this tomorrow just depending on how hungry or how hard I've worked out that day. So I've got it down pretty good. Honestly, I think that the reload is the most important part or maybe not most important part because I don't cut an incredible amount of weight. It's not like I'm doing 20 in a week or whatever. But I think it's really underrated how you put the weight back on and what you're putting in your body. And the UFC does a really good job of like giving us all of our shakes and stuff after, after, uh, the weight

cuts that we're actually feeling good when we walk into the cage. That is very nice that the UFC provides. Yeah. So like, what is your process? Like, so you're way in, you're, you're good. yeah so like what is your process like so you're way in you're you're good you weigh in they give you uh they give you three drinks uh two and two and shaker bottles one and like a two liter uh thing uh and they're they're a bunch of it's like a bunch of sugar uh which is uh i'm forgetting the name of of the sugar supplement but it's pretty much just like a a sugar that gets absorbed by your muscles a lot quicker. It has that. It has obviously some electrolytes, some aminos, and then some other stuff that I'm not sure about. They give you a list,

but I'm blanking on it now. So it's that and shake one. Shake two is something a little bit different. And then they give you that bottle of water with pretty much similar things. So it's a lot of amino acids, obviously a lot of electroly's it's a lot of amino acids obviously a lot of electrolytes and a lot of sugar because your muscles are full of sugar you don't want to just you know it's not about pounding a bunch of water it's about pounding a bunch of water that's going to go back into your muscles of what your muscles need and they provide this to all the athletes yep wow that's amazing yeah it's cool too uh it's really good you know like it's it's like uh i feel good going into the fights and like uh the guy charles that works there is just like

a really knowledgeable and easy guy to work with and he'll you know like he really tells you exactly what to do and like it's easy when the you know a scientist is telling you exactly what to do because before it's like should i eat pizza pizza instead of drink this gallon of water? And it's like, I'm definitely choosing the pizza. Right, right, right. Yeah, the UFC's Performance Institute, what they've done by setting that place up is pretty extraordinary. To have a place where fighters can choose to go down there and do their camps,

you have world-class coaches and people that understand strength and conditioning and recovery and all these different ways to keep your body fit and healthy for a fight and then also to analyze where your weight cuts at where your body fat's at how what's your vo2 max like all the having a one a one-stop shop with a big giant state-of-the-art facility like they developed is really fucking incredible yeah all of that stuff all of that stuff with like um what else i mean the rings and the bands and stuff that measure your heart rate and stuff man it's just i think it's just gonna make athletes get this much better man like talking about the evolution of the sport like especially in the sport of fighting I don't think that we've seen too much like actual

scientific stuff because there's probably just not as much money as like the NFL and the NBA and athletics and other areas. And the, and the players of those sports have a lot more money to spend on those types of things. But I think that we're going to start to see money get dumped into the sport of MMA. And then we're going to really start understanding the science of like cutting weight and how to put muscle on and what type of muscle to put on and all of that jazz. Now, did you ever rehydrate with IVs before they had an IV band? I did once and it didn't really, it was like when I was an amateur too. It was okay. Do you think that rehydrating orally is just as good or better uh i mean i've only done the ivy once so i guess i can only speak to that one experience but i mean

i i don't ever feel like i'm dehydrated when i walk into the cage you know like i'm usually walking in at like now 51 or 52 where before it was like 47 48 just because i I wasn't doing all of the posture stuff and, you know, getting certain things strong. But now I'm walking in at like, yeah, 51, 52. What would you think about a fight with no weight cuts? I'm okay with it. Yeah. Do you think that we're ever going to get to a point where people stop doing that, where they can figure out a way to stop fighters from cutting weight? I think when the sport gets mainstream enough i think it's going to because i think that there's going to be a lot of uh eventually man

as much as i hate to say it like some i mean it's already happened but some guys you know they have to pull out of fights because they're cutting weight and fainting and all of that stuff you know eventually if the sport is going to be you know on the level of the nfl and all of that i think it's going to be where they have to kind of take that out or else it's going to be too brutal for the common audience to watch. Didn't it just happen with Bobby Green? Didn't he just pull out of a fight because of a weight cut? I think he blacked out the weight cut.

I'm pretty sure. Is that why the Munoz and Rivera fight got canceled the first time? Because that time that they fought last wasn't their first time scheduled. They fought once before. They fought in like 2016 or something. Yeah, I think that they were scheduled though a couple weeks before this last fight that they had and I think it was

maybe, you know, I'm not sure but I think it was maybe a scenario. But yeah, man that stuff happens, you know, like you can't be passing out cutting weight. That's too brutal for people. If we want the mass population watching, I think that that's probably a little too brutal. It seems like something, to me it seems like almost

it's one thing that they've been doing this way for so long that they just keep doing it. Whereas if they came along today and there was a blank slate and they said, all right, do you think it's a good idea if the fighters just dehydrate the fuck out of themselves 24 hours before they fight? You'd be like, why would I do that? Why would they do that? That's terrible.

They're about to fight. They're working to get their body in optimum condition. It's one of the worst things you could do to yourself is dehydrate yourself. Your body's like, what, 60-something percent water? Why the fuck would you do that? That's a dumb idea. Oh, it's just spitballing.

Just throwing some ideas around. Yeah, it's just the way that we do things. Yeah, people go, what are you saying? Shut up. Imagine the world if we did that with everything. And when people miss weight, that sucks, man. There's like a lot of statistics, too, on like, you know, the person that misses weight is oftentimes the winner of that fight.

Oftentimes. You know? And I, to be honest, think that they should take a point from people that miss weight. That's not a bad idea, but it's almost like you should not let them fight. Or not let them fight at all. Yeah. I think, you know, it's one thing it's an undercard fight, but, like, for a championship fight, I almost think you should send them home.

Yeah. Which is crazy to say i know it's stupid like but look at like luke rockhold and yoel romero yoel romero and luke rockhold are fighting for the title right luke rockhold makes way yoel doesn't yoel knocks out luke rockhold doesn't win the title i'd be pissed if i'm luke bro super pissed this has happened before it's not it's not the only time that's happened that happened with davison figueredo I'd be pissed if I'm losing. Bro. Super pissed. This has happened before. It's not the only time that's happened. That happened with Davis and Figueredo and Benavidez the first time they fought.

Yep. Figueredo doesn't make the weight. KO's Benavidez doesn't win the title. Yeah. It's like, what? Yeah, it'd be hard to get rid of, though. It'd be really hard to get rid of. I think there's a way i mean

they do hydration tests with high school wrestling and college wrestling they you can be done it's just it would have to be first of all you'd have to give people way more options in terms of weight classes and i think that's something we were speaking about earlier i really think you have to have at least every 10 pounds and you might be right every five pounds but there's this idea that that would somehow another water down the sport like is that true i don't think that's true you know look at like canelo alvarez look how he keeps going up and weight and beating these guys and winning titles all the way up to light heavyweight knocks out kovalev at light heavyweight and comes back down fights at 68 you know he fought i believe he was like 52 when he fought mayweather and he fights

all sorts of different weight classes. Yeah, I will say I think that there is this huge emphasis on having to fight in one weight class and to be the biggest guy in the weight class. I don't think that that's super important. I fought 145 for most of my professional career, but when I got into the UFC, I was like, okay, I'll lose the weight for that amount of money. I won't lose it for a couple grand and whatever promotion I was fighting in before. But it's like I don't think it's too huge of a thing.

And I think that we're starting to see that now where it's like, no, you can jump up a weight class and still do really well because it's not a huge deal. But we're going to find out this weekend because if Adesanya really does weigh at 193, and let me tell you something, man, if he could stop Blachowicz at light heavyweight and become champ champ and he doesn't even gain weight, Jesus, Louisa's.

Yeah. And if anybody could do it, he might be the fucking man. Yeah, he's crazy enough. He's crazy enough to do it. He's so good, man. Yeah, he's so good. He's so good. That Paulo Costa fight, what an eye-opener fucking man. Yeah, he's crazy enough. He's crazy enough to do it. He's so good, man. Yeah, he's so good. He's so good. That Paulo Costa fight, what an eye-opener that was.

Yeah. He said what he was going to do, and then he did it. He's like, I'm going to make this guy look stupid. Did you see the thing where Paulo Costa, and I might be wrong. I don't really want. This would be kind of bad to get wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

That was true? That's what he said. Yeah, it's true. He drank a whole bottle of wine. He even took a picture with the wine, like he had a built-in excuse. Look at me with wine. Yeah, it's what he said. Yeah, it's true. So he drank a whole bottle of wine. He even took a picture with the wine, like he had a built-in excuse. Look at me with wine. Yeah, it's so ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

He said he had leg cramps, and he couldn't sleep, and he had a glass of wine, and that didn't do it. So he drank another glass. That didn't do it. And then he drank the whole bottle. So he said when he fought, he was probably drunk. Look, he's come up with so many excuses for that fight. It's crazy. It's crazy.'s crazy because you know

you have one idea of who paulo costa is his whole career just smashing people walks down yoel romero who the fuck walks down yoel romero and beats his ass like that nobody the way he did it and beat all these guys coming up from johnny hendrix was fat and you know he's really 170 and he had no business being at 185 in the first place but the fact that paulo costa just smashed him that way and just was smashing everybody and you thought like man this guy's a real threat this is this is a big challenge for adesanya nope yeah no no he just shut him down. Shut him down. Like, he just completely outclassed him. Yeah, that was one of those where I was like,

oh, I wasn't expecting that to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was going to be a good fight. Yeah, I did too. I thought it was going to be a good fight. I did too. I thought Costa's really durable. He's really tough.

He's going to, you know, it's going to be a blood and guts battle. But then, you know, when I saw him enter into the octagon with those cupping marks all over his calves, I was like, that's not good. What's happening there? Do you do that cupping stuff? No. No.

Do you? No. Not to the point where it's bruising like that. I mean, a lot of people do it. I've never tried it. Some people swear by it too, and I'm like, I don't know, giving yourself bruises. I don't know, man.

People swear by a lot of wacky shit. People swear by chiropractors. They swear by a lot of wacky shit. People swear by chiropractors. They swear by a lot of wacky shit. Do you get any of that massage stuff? Yeah, massage. Is that The Rock? Look at that. Oh, my goodness.

That's his first time doing it. First time? Yeah. Yeah, that guy's got to be sore all the time. Boy, they fucked his back up. Do you ever get... I wonder what he thinks. Do you ever get muscle activation done? Have you tried no no that's pretty good stuff what is that so it's like uh so it's like

the idea so i go to a place called rock solid physical therapy and it's this place where uh muscle activation is like the type of therapy that it is but the idea is is it's like okay if my if my shoulder is sore it's because something in there isn't firing. And the something in there, I don't need to massage the shit out of the one spot that's hurt. I need to wake up the other things that are having to compensate for the, or this spot is compensating for the other spots. So when I go in, it's like, all right, my shoulder's sore. They'll like work on my back. They'll work on my chest because those areas aren't waking up and aren't firing and then this is what's having to really

overcompensate and that's why it's really sore and like that's been like a i've been going to them for about six years and getting that done about every single week and that i think is the reason that i don't really ever get hurt like i don't really you know i can't think of like a really big injury that i've gotten that hasn't been like a broken bone or something in like a really long time. That's interesting. Yeah. It's cool. It's a good idea too. I mean, it makes total sense. It's like this hurts it's because it's overcompensating. So it's something else that needs to be, you know, the body is like a whole system. It's a, it's a whole wiring it. And the whole thing needs to be taken care of. Not just the one spot that hurts. Makes sense.

Yeah. And there are a lot of times injuries where people are like, a lot of times you have back pain and you really don't realize it because your hamstrings are tight. Yeah. And that it's pulling your whole, your thing is all kind of crunched up. And if you can stretch your hamstrings out, it actually alleviates some tension in your back. You're like, oh, wow, that's weird.

Every time I've hurt my knees, it's been because my glutes and my hips are really tight which makes total sense because if my if my knee or if my hips can't do the circles that they're meant to be like this joint is going to have you know if it only has this much motion this thing has to compensate for it some way i think i think so much of the time when guys get hurt, it's just because they're sore in one area or one area isn't firing and they need to compensate in some area, and they do that for X amount of time, and then that area ends up getting injured

because it's just tired from compensating. Makes sense. There's probably something to it, at least. When you have a big fight, so say if this fight happens this weekend, Jan wins or Sterling wins, and they say, okay, you're next. How much – you like 10 weeks, right? Do you have someone who schedules everything? Do you do some of it based on your own intuition,

like in terms of how much strength and conditioning work, how much sparring, when do you hit mitts, when do you hit mitts when do you spar when do you roll how do you do that yeah so here's the nice thing about i think uh where i'm in a really unique position where uh i don't think maybe a lot of fighters are is that i've been with the same pretty much the same set of coaches for 12 years now you know so uh i can have an open conversation about things and not have to feel like I'm being a bitch or I'm being, you know, whiny or whatever, you know, where I don't think a lot of people like if I'm someone's new coach, and they're complaining all the time about being tired and needing to rest on this day or whatever day, I'm probably going to think that that person

is just being whiny. But like with with my set of coaches, because we've been around for so long and, you know, a lot of them I would consider like my best friends. I can kind of have that open, you know, that open dialogue of like, hey, man, like I think that we need to pick it up on this day and we need to do less on this day. And they're like, yeah, OK, we trust you to be able to do that. And like I said, man, I'm like a really self-sufficient guy. Like I don't blame anyone and I don't expect anyone to be the cause of my success or my failure. So I take, honestly, I take a lot of that into my own way. And I think that working with Christian Allen

has kind of helped me with that a lot too because Christian Allen, he never really told me exactly what to do. He kind of let me find my own way, which I know a lot of people don't like. And at times, you know, I didn't really like if I'm being completely honest, but it also did help me become really, really self-sufficient. And so a lot of me putting together my camp is me putting it together. But kind of to answer your question a little bit more is it's like when I'm setting up my practices for each day I don't ever miss any of those practices even if

I'm dead tired I'll still go in I'll just do less maybe I'll drill or I'll do something different but I'm not going to miss that day of practice or I'm not and if I have to you know because I'm I need to I'm just rescheduling it for for a different day so I do set my own schedule but every practice gets made because I think that that makes the mind strong. But if I am a little bit tired or if it's a weird week or whatever, I'm stressed out or whatever is happening in my life and I need to go a little bit slower on a day, like I will do that. When you say like, if you're tired, do you monitor your heart rate? Do you wear a whoop strap? I used to until it kept telling me the same thing over and over again. What was it telling you? it was telling me that i wake up a lot during the

night and that i get like moderate sleep and it was that every single night uh with the exception of like a few things you know uh but you know what i did learn from those things is just how incredibly important sleep is like i didn't i never valued sleep as like the thing that's gonna make me you know feel i mean this sounds stupid when i'm saying it but feel rested and actually recovered the next day i thought it was like oh i need to foam roll more oh i need to do massage more oh i should go lighter or whatever and it's like dude if i can clock like nine to eleven hours of sleep then like i'm good i'm in the green regardless yeah regardless of how hard i worked out the day before i'm good after that amount of sleep yeah that's interesting dustin

said he stopped wearing a whoop strap for the same reason he said because he'd wake up and say oh you need more sleep he was like well this shit gotta get done so i don't know what the fuck you're telling me it's like you know you're not fully recovered well i don't give a fuck i gotta go to work yeah there's also days like that too where it's like you'll be in a red and it's like. So what? So what? Time to go to work. Yeah.

Yeah. Sometimes I feel great and I'll check it. It's in the yellow. I was like, what? Come on. Yellow. I feel good. Do you notice that when you're doing the actual workout though that you actually are in like a yellow?

It depends on how much coffee I drink. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another thing is that there's so many other factors to everything too where it's like yeah maybe i had a good workout because i was in the green but also maybe i had a good workout because i didn't do that much the day before i did have a lot of coffee or whatever like yeah i got fired up it's it's interesting you know there's

so many variables with the human body you know whether or not you're getting massages whether or not you're doing ice baths whether or not you're doing sauna there's so many different things that can help you recover and help your body bounce back it's it's a lot of it's a lot you can do yeah there's a lot you can do to keep your body healthy yeah yeah now when you uh say that you kind of set your own schedule do you set your own schedule in terms of strength and conditioning as well like give me a typical week like when you're starting your camp how many days a week will you do strength and conditioning how many days a week will you do kickboxing do you do mma sparring a lot or do you do do you separate jujitsu sparring from kickboxing sparring yep yep so uh every day monday through friday there's a team practice at one

o'clock so we do that so uh monday is wrestling tuesday sparring wednesday is drilling with with wrestling or wrestling drilling thursday is uh mma and then um friday is sparring again um and then saturday i kind of depend on how the week goes i'll either drill for a couple hours or i'll train hard for a couple hours so it's one o'clock every every day pretty much no matter what um and then monday wednesday friday we do strength and conditioning in the morning uh at a place uh same place gaethje goes lando performance i'll do that with aaron uh who's really been taking good care of me he's the guy that was like hey man like we should we should put on a couple more pounds of muscle.

I think it's going to make you feel a little bit better. And I was like, okay, we will. And it actually did make my cardio and conditioning go way, way up. I'll do that with Aaron, Nate, and Wrigley and with the team usually, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And then at night, I'll go in on

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I'll go on a run. So it's at night for those other days. And then Thursday morning I'll do a MIT session. So I guess that was kind of a lot of information. So when you say at night, so you're doing the team practice at 1 p.m., and then what time you come back in, like 6 or 7? So I teach the kids program at 5 o'clock, and then yeah i'll go in and i'll train at six and like i said depending on how the day went uh that's a class

that i run myself so it's like okay how's everyone feeling if everyone looks like you know they just woke up from a nap it's like all right we're drilling today and then if it's like everyone's been yeah okay yeah let's train then like we'll train a little bit harder on those days so in terms of like weight lifting do you try try to take the strength and conditioning sessions and not have them on a day we spar? Yeah. Monday is our like heavy lifting day because I think Monday, like you're the most rested. I think your body's more capable of obviously lifting more weights, the more rested you are. Wednesday is more of a metabolic day, so like a conditioning day. And I only do those really in the last three or four weeks of camp because Aaron kind of puts me

through more of a strength building stuff because that's more important for my body type. And then Friday is just recovery. So Friday when we spar on the same day, it's just like a 45-minute session. We just get our blood moving. We get everything loose so that we can spar well on Friday. And do you take two days off on the weekend? Do you take Saturday and Sunday off? No, I only take Sunday off. What do you do on Saturday? Saturday is 9 o'clock.

I have like a small guy group. Again, a class that I'll run. I'll look at everyone like, hey, how's everyone feeling? If sparring wasn't very hard on Friday, then Saturday we'll train a little bit harder. I'll do that Friday. Or or I'm sorry, Saturday, and then I'll have Christian come in and hold mitts for me on Saturday, and he usually does that Thursday morning for me as well. So, do you do two a day every day, or Saturday one? It's, Saturday is two. If I have some weight to lose, I'll also run on Saturday also, but

Monday and Tuesday, I think think are the only two days and then everything else is three um but like i said man i just drill a lot like this is such a technical sport man like i used to like running more i used to like lifting more but uh i find that like i'm just doing better when i'm focusing on the technical aspects of the sport not as much about like the am i going on a run just to go on a run or am I going on a run because it's actually helping? And can I actually get this help in a different area? Because I used to really enjoy doing trail runs and like I had to kind of cut those because I just wasn't able to train as hard and like learn as much and drill as much. So I had to cut the run because I think it's more important that I'm

actually learning and getting better and drilling just from being tired from the trail yeah yeah yeah because those things will zap you yeah yeah so what about um other recovery modalities are you using ice baths are you doing the sauna yeah so i do the sauna twice a week also uh because actually the ufc also recommended this to me also is, um, so I guess you can, you can train your body to get used to heat and it can get used to, uh, how much you're flushing out as long as obviously like you're putting it back in you. Uh, so I'll do a sauna session two days a week and then I'll do, um, what time do you go in? It's not that hot, bro. It's kind of a piece of shit sauna that I bought for myself. Yeah. It was like three or four hundred bucks and it's like it's not one that like has your head sticking out

it's a little bit bigger than that so i can actually sit in the whole thing but it don't get that hot like it probably gets like 130 but it's a yeah but it's one of those infrared ones oh that's different yeah yeah so i guess it pulls it from deeper inside your bones i don't know about all that i don't i don't like the infrared ones to be honest i like the steam ones the most steam yeah uh i like what it does to my skin no i don't really know i don't know it just feels a little bit better those dry ones bro i feel like i'm just cooking like and breathing in people's like feet oh humidity yeah but for yourself like you should get a dry sauna for your house if you can. Okay.

Yeah, I'm a big believer in the dry sauna. And there's so many benefits to it just outside of even getting your body accustomed to the heat for a sauna for cutting weight. Just reduces inflammation to such a high degree, produces heat shock proteins and it also there's a study they did in norway where people who did the sauna four days a week um for i believe it was 20 minutes at 170 degrees i think is what they the protocol they used and they experienced a 40 percent decrease in all cause mortality that means 40 percent decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, just with regular sauna use. Did they say, is it from detoxing your body that much, or is it from what the heat? It's from the heat shock proteins.

Oh, okay. The heat shock proteins, what it's doing is it creates this radical anti-inflammatory response for the body, because your body's freaking out. Your body doesn't want to be in 170 degrees. It's like, what is this shit? And so because of that, and you're sweating it out and struggling, your body produces these cytokines, and it has an amazing effect just on health and wellness.

I fucking love it, man. I do it every day. Yeah. I have one in my house, and it was one of the first things I did when I moved to Austin is get one. And it took a couple months to get it brought in and installed and everything like that. And I was sweating it because I was like, God, I missed the sauna.

Because I had one in my house in California. And it's a game changer, man. Dan Gable is a huge believer in it as well. And I read him talking about the sauna. And he thinks that it's a secret weapon that the Russians and a lot of other athletes in other countries use on a regular basis. And he wishes that American wrestlers adopted it. So you do 170 for 20 minutes?

Okay. I do 185 for 25 minutes, but I built up to it. And I've been doing it for years, and I never get sick. I mean, I fucking never get sick. Wow. Yeah. Huh. I think it's phenomenal for your immune system.

How many days a week would you recommend to do it? I do it every day. Really? I mean, I'll take a day off every now and again, but I definitely do it at least five days a week. Yeah. Every week. If I'm home, I'm doing it five days a week.

And what? Your body just gets used to bringing the water back in? And I listen to books on tape. It's my favorite way to do it i just uh so i'm in there for 25 minutes airpods will survive your phone won't so don't try to bring your phone in there my phone always dies but the airpods don't die they they're pretty fucking tough it's probably a long 25 minutes huh the last five can suck a dick bro yeah. Yeah. The last five minutes are ruthless. How quick can you start sweating? Oh, right away. Really? Yeah, when I get in there, the first thing I do is I scoop water and throw it on the

rocks. And so it's not just 185 degrees. It's 185 degrees with high humidity. So it's pretty rough. Yeah. So right away, I'm glistening. And then within, you know, the first 10 minutes are not that bad. You know, and then the next 10 minutes are getting rough,

and the last five minutes can really fucking suck. It's crazy how quick it starts to suck, huh? It sucks. But it's good. It's like I need some suck, you know? I don't get enough suck in my life. We all do, man. Everybody does.

We all do. That struggle of sitting there, and I do a lot of deep breathing exercises too. I do, like, box breathing. I do, like, five seconds in, hold five seconds, five seconds out, or sometimes I'll do longer deep breaths and longer slow breaths out. And, but, uh, that's good too, because you can get into kind of a trance when you do that. And sometimes when I do that, I don't even realize how much time has passed because I'm just focusing on the breathing, just focusing on the breathing. The time moves fast when you just focus on the breathing.

Yeah. We used to do plank competitions. Me and a bunch of the guys on the basketball team that I used to play with. And I would just sit there and I would just breathe. And then next thing I would know, everyone's done. And it'd be like three, four minutes later and I'm just sitting there breathing. You see that fucking marine dude is a i think he's a marine who uh he won the world's plank competition it was some preposterous amount of time this motherfucker was planking for like four days

or something i don't remember it's probably days eight plus hour plank oh there it is at 62 marine veteran sets a guinness world record 62 years old man that that's a fucking old dude to be planking like that that guy's a savage that's all in your mind right there yeah that's that's your fucking mind i mean that is just your mind i mean he obviously is fit he's obviously in very good shape for his age. But to be able to do that for eight fucking hours, especially while people are staring at you, that is boring as fuck. He did 75 push-ups when he was done. Oh, Jesus.

Guy's an animal. Yeah, I love it. I love seeing old animals like that. Like, yes, keep going. Keep fucking going. That would be Cam Haines. He'll be doing that when he's 80. I think that having something like that as a regular basis

just gets your body accustomed to just doing something that you don't want to do that sucks. Because there's too many people that go through their life doing easy stuff all the time. All the time. You're just soft. You're like a marshmallow. I used to – so my one thing

is i would wake up every saturday morning and i would go do a trail run uh by by red rocks in colorado and i didn't care if it was snowing i didn't care if it was however you know and and i'm i'm more upset that i had to get rid of it because it started to suck but then it became like something that was like oh this is something that i really enjoy doing over and over and over again and it's like yeah even if it does suck afterwards it just feels good i feel like you don't have to do a lot of things where like afterwards you feel reward like super rewarded like you did it like super yeah like super rewarded yeah that moment where you just want to fucking quit where your brain and then you got to shut the fuck up pussy shut up you gotta like have these little battles in your mind there's so many people that

go through life they just don't have that at all so that the moment adversity rears its ugly head you're you don't reckon you don't understand what to do with it you don't know what it is like how do i handle this yeah i think a lot of people, I think they've bought into the idea of happiness is the goal every single day. Comfort. Comfort. Yeah, I guess that that's maybe a better word. Fat shaming. Don't fat shame me.

Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, stuff like that where it's like, man, like being happy isn't my goal every day, you know? Like maybe one day it will be the goal every day. But for now, it's like, how much can I make today suck so that I can have that one little reward at the end of like a training camp, you know? And it's a big-ass reward and it feels good. Yeah, well, for you, it's the ultimate because you're literally, you're doing something, first of all, where you're putting your health in jeopardy. You're doing one of the most dangerous sports that a person can compete in. And you're putting everything on the line. You're putting your health on the line.

You're putting your ego on the line. You're putting your future on the line. You're thinking about so many different things. If you get KO'd or something like that, you're paying for it with your mind. You're paying for it with your brain cells. You're paying for it. You get kicked in the liver. You're paying for it with Your internal organs are getting damaged.

You know, it's a crazy way to live your life. But the reward, like when you knocked out Frankie, like when you were running around, going like that, like you could see it in you. Like you just fucking juiced up. Yeah. You know, I'm a level guy, man. You know, I'm a level guy, man. And, like, fighting is really the only thing that, like, or winning, I guess I should say, is the only thing where I'm just like, ah, you know. Like, it's worth it. The life is worth it, you know.

The life is worth it. Yeah. Well, listen, man, I'm a fan. I appreciate you. Appreciate you coming in here. It was really cool to talk to you. And I'm super excited to see what happens for you. Yeah, man. thank you so much obviously you know this is like a a big deal to me and i'm really really grateful that you asked me to do my pleasure thank you big deal for me too thanks brother thank

you thank you all right bye everybody