The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #117 with Marlon "Chito" Vera

Episode Date: December 15, 2021

Joe sits down with Marlon "Chito" Vera, an Ecuadorian mixed martial artist currently competing in the bantamweight division of the UFC.

the Joe Rogan experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day yeah there's a few guys in LA that are like legit LA legends legends of tattooing he's one of the Yeah. We did one sit and that was painful. That kicked my ass. Is the back more painful than the arms? Oh, yeah. Really?

The arms are easy. Yeah, the arms are pretty easy. I basically, you feel it, but you're not crying on my back. You're crying? Not crying, but about to. There were points that my arm were shaking Really without me moving it Wow see that it's weird what parts hurt because

The elbow hurts a lot like the inside the elbow that shit hurts a lot I was like I thought that was numb because like you think about how many times you hit things with your elbows It doesn't hurt at all. I crack heads with elbows, but the little ink, it will make you pay. It's crazy. It's weird. I have my full leg, a dragon, top to bottom of my leg. That's also awful. Really?

Leg is awful? Some parts in the tide where the sun doesn't go. Where the sun doesn't go you know you know what's funny about my my leg tattoo when this guy

was tattooing my inner tie he was pushing my balls aside so he can ink right and I was like

he's touching your balls kind of he was pushing them away well he's touching a little bit yeah and this is you know what's the crazy part when i was there i was just like because normally i get tattooed right after fights because that's my rest time

and i was just thinking this is painful this is awkward i was just like thinking about like what's worse the guy pushing my dick away or the pain right there because it was so painful that i was like wow i'm hurting well the guy pushing your dick away is just weird no but that's not painful right it's not painful but it's very weird it's painful in a way you don't want it if it's weird it feels good you're like damn this is enjoyable yeah you just say going like you don't want that that would be would be a problem. Or maybe you do. Maybe you do. No, it doesn't happen.

Not for you, but for some people. Happens. Yeah. But I was like, that, it was painful and awkward. That was hard. It was hard, too. I was just like, please finish that part quick. So who did your leg?

This guy called Mark Nava. Yeah. He's really good in Japanese style. And he's like a mile from my house in Costa Mesa. Oh, well, Costa Mesa, that whole Los Angeles, that whole Southern California area is amazing for tattoos. Yeah.

I've been lucky. Most of my tattoos, you know, some people got some tattoos and they're like, they just get it because they want tattoos and they're shit. Yeah. I'm lucky. Even with everything I got in Ecuador, it's just clean and it's all what I want how much of it did you get in Ecuador I get basically all this arm Mark Nava did just the snake and the spider in the back then the rest is all in Ecuador all these armies in Ecuador besides the hand mmm hand this is sean topper another good

guy in in around in costa mesa area then my back mr cartoon having a back piece like your back piece um we just filmed it we just took a video before the podcast but mr cartoon that's a guy legend of all of all my tattoos that's that's, that's number one. How hard was it to get in with him? Well, every time, he's kind of like he works with Ruka, with the brand. Oh, okay. So he comes visit Pat all the time. So every time he comes around, I'm like, come on, dude.

Come on, dude. Get me in. And he's pretty chill, you know. Is he? Yeah, he's pretty cool. And then he's like, he's pretty chill, you know. Is he? Yeah, he's pretty cool. And then he's like, okay, talk to my assistant. And I just harassed the fuck out of this guy. I'm like, yo, get me in.

And basically, he wasn't tattooing during the pandemic. He wasn't doing nothing. Really? And that was his first tattoo back. Oh, wow. So he's just chilling? He's just chilling. Wow.

I guess he can chill at this point, right? Oh, yeah. He's a bad motherfucker. He's a bad motherfucker. He don't need chilling? He's just chilling. Wow. I guess he can chill at this point, right? Oh, yeah. He's a bad motherfucker. He's a bad motherfucker. He don't need to tattoo more people. No. So I'm glad he tattooed me. That's amazing that he did.

Yeah. When you get a guy like that, man, God, he's just a legend. He's a legend. Yeah. And I'm going to keep finishing my bag because I got spots in the sides. I'm going to finish with him. Did you do it at his studio? Yeah, in Santa Monica.

Does he have pictures on his walls of all the people that he's tattooed dude when i was there i was tripping just like eminem in one side then all the art they have they have like a barber shop that he owns next like literally next door and the the seats are like from the 80s like original paint by him i was like wow this guy's tattooing me wow so when i get to the shop he's like you want to smoke i'm like fuck yeah he gave me a joint of this i don't know what he's smoking and i was like bro this is a strong it's pure gasoline brother pure gasoline when when he started tattooing me i was just like i was way too high ah i was way too sensitive when

you're high right do you feel it more? Oh, I was. That's why I was freaking out. Yeah. Drinking, though? Drinking, you barely feel shit. I never drink during tattoo. Really? Ever.

I have. I might start doing that now. Yeah, it's a good move. Because. It dulls the pain quite a bit. I definitely smoke all the time I get a tattoo. I think that would hurt. Oh, it hurt.

More. Yeah. Because you're super sensitive when you're high. And then you're like, you feel your heart rate going up. Yeah. The pain hurts. And then, because sometimes when I'm sober, my heart rate goes high. Because your body's going through some shit.

Yeah, man. Your body's also like, hey, bitch, run away from this pain. Why are you sitting still? When I get my neck done done that was when i was like i need to get the fuck out of here how is the neck the most painful the throw is pretty fucked up every time you swallow good luck yeah right and they're getting in there and then my head was falling from the fucking table oh because you have to lean back yeah right oh my goodness yeah so i was like i won't do my neck anymore.

Thank God it's done. Neck pain is weird pain because your body's like, this is a bad place to have pain. You shouldn't have any pain around here. This is vulnerable as fuck. I know. I know. Sean Shelby, when he saw my first tattoo. You fucking idiot.

Sean Shelby said that? Yeah. He's like, you won't be able to get a job. I'm like, I don't need a job. You won't be able to get a job. I'm like, I don't need a job. You won't be able to get a job. You give me a job. I was like, you give me a job. He was motivating me to don't be an idiot.

I was like, hey, I'm going to be in the UFC for a long time. That's such a silly thing to say. Sean Shelby, you silly goose. We were laughing about it after the Frankie fight. He told me like, hey, you're good. I'm like, I told you. I'm an idiot idiot but i told you that's so silly he was laughing about it he's a funny guy but you know that that job makes people

it's not easy no you lose your fucking head yeah think about how many fights fell off and you gotta figure it out yourself there's 500 fighters on the roster that are emailing him every day trying to get a fight And then you have to deal with crazy managers Some managers are crazy Some managers are great But some managers are out of their fucking mind That's why I respect him

I don't hate him Because people are like Fuck the guy he don't want to help me I'm like bro There's like 10 idiots just like you Saying the same thing about him Mick Maynard is cool as fuck though He never loses his shit

He's newer, too. Is that what it is? But he's been around a long time. You say newer, but many years. But I tried in the UFC. Yeah. Like, the UFC probably is a different animal of pressure. Yeah, but even in the UFC, Mick's been around for many years now.

It's been quite a few years. Yeah, that's true. But Shawn has been since the early days. Yeah. Well, Joe Silva was losing his mind before he quit. He had to quit. As much as that guy loves the sport, he's like, I can't do it anymore. I'm out.

I can't fucking do it anymore. Yeah, he was losing his mind. That definitely makes you lose your head. I like when people quit, though. I like when people sail off in the sunset. See ya. I got enough money. Ta-ta for now.

Cha-ching. Cha-ching. He's fucking money signs following him. Yeah, it's just nice. I mean, he got paid out when the UFC got sold to Endeavor. Good for now. Cha-ching. Cha-ching. He's fucking money signs following him. It's just nice. I mean, he got paid out when the UFC got sold to Endeavor.

Good for him. It's like, bye-bye. It's like, fuck off, you maniacs. Good for him. Yeah.

Who wouldn't be around that anyway? I ran into him once since then and he was so happy. He looked lighter. Like, the weight of the world

was off his shoulders. Basically, the whole fucking thing is in your shoulders. Like, a fighter's pull-off, you got Dan in your head. Like, who's going to fight? Find a replacement. Well, you know what's crazy is when they have guys do, like, a full weight camp,

a full camp and a weight cut as an alternate, just in case. Yeah. I find that crazy. They do that with the main events. I know. That's wild. When I fought in New York, Luke did that for Usman and Kobe. Really? Yeah, but he missed main events i know that's wild when i fought in new york luke did that for usman and kobe really yeah but he missed weight oh that's right he did yeah that's right he did miss weight yeah it's uh but it's hard on the body man like the weight cut is so

bad on the body already weight cuts are like taking punch to the jaw yeah you have so many of those right if you don't do it right yeah you're fucked. Even if you do it right. Like, look, Colby Covington planned for seven months for this fight. I mean, you know, it's hard. You can't take it away from Kai Carafrance because he landed a perfect punch. Oh, Cody Garbrandt. Yeah. What did I say? Colby Covington.

Oh, I'm sorry. Cody Garbrandt. It's early. I haven't had any coffee yet. Let me have some coffee. Get some coffee. Did I say Colby Covington? God damn.

It's weird when you have, have like a thought in your head. I'm probably too sharp because I took mushrooms early. You took what? Mushrooms early? That's why I'm probably sharp. Maybe I'm like feeling off of you. I'm confused by your energy. Your spiritual energy.

I'm late training early mornings. I'm pretty. Cody Garbrandt. So Cody Garbrandt dropping down to 125 pounds. And you want some of that? Please, sir. Thank you. Yeah, and then I was listening to you guys when you guys were talking about it.

Like he did a great blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But. Still. It's also energy. Like he's been getting KO many times in a row. Yeah. His mind probably knows, oh, if I get touched, I'm going to go down.

Maybe. And he don't saw it coming kyle carver is a great fighter so good for him he knocked him out but when you've been finished many times also your mind accepted it's like yeah i've been here before poop less than enough yeah but in what i mean your yeah chuck liddell told me that that later in his career his mind was recognized and he's about to take punishment and his brain would just shut off easier. It's like your brain knows that you've been knocked out too many times. Yeah, and then your body knows.

That's why fighters like that, they should walk away. Yes, yes. You can't take a shot. I'm not about to tell you what you should do, but you probably most likely have to do it. Well, it's a young man's game, and then there's a few crafty veterans that can hang around into their 40s my boy glover tixada yeah glover is the shining example of that because he seems so fresh

he's amazing and and he's had some rough knockouts man think about the rumble knockout anthony jason pulled his teeth right to his goodness yeah i, that uppercut was spectacular. And then, you know, Gustafsson, Gustafsson put it on him, man. My God. And Gustafsson, that was his best performance of his career. I mean, Gustafsson was on fire in that fight. He looked sharp. Oh, my God, he looked so good. But then Jon Jones came, meh.

Yeah, well, there's levels, man. There's levels. DC couldn't say better. When he brought this, there's levels to this, it's man. There's levels. DC couldn't say better. When he brought this, there's levels to this, it's true. There's levels. You have to stay ahead. You have to work the whole time. Most people only pushes when they have a contract,

when they hear, like, hey, you might be fighting this day. This is not this sport. I don't even call it. I don't think this is a sport. This is fighting sport this is fighting it's fighting it's fighting so you better be

trained the whole time and just ready to go and when you're not in camp you have to be improved 100% yeah you have to be working on things

and there's some people that don't do that and you know the camps are hard and some people when they get out of camp they just want to get fat and relax

not on me no like Kobe Bryant said the mama mentality I call it the immigrant mentality people when they get out of camp they just want to get fat and relax and not not on me no like call me brian say the mama mentality i call it the immigrant mentality yeah immigrant all fucking day yeah seven days a week yeah i love that you quote joey diaz like that i love that guy everybody loves joey diaz i love when he tell the monday video yeah fucking get me hard he just did a new one on Juliana Pena.

Did you see that one? No, I didn't see that one. Pull it up. Pull it up. It's on his Instagram. It's fucking beautiful. He was talking about how amazing Juliana Pena

is. He's a motherfucker. He was coughing and shit. He's like, you motherfuckers. It's fucking Monday. If you're coughing and happy about your weekend,

fuck off. Yeah, he gets fired up. That's a guy, that's a mentality you should fucking follow if not you fuck fucked he's the most unusual person i've ever met uh but um what we're just talking about before that about staying ready yeah staying there's no season there's no season there's no season and there's also these moments where you get called like like for example this is not mma but it's boxing uh This Jake Paul-Tyron Woodley rematch, which is this weekend. Tyron just got the call.

I think it was like 15, 16 days out, something like that. And there's not that many days. Almost guaranteed he wasn't ready. I mean, I can't imagine that he was training in a full camp. Like, when I'm not in camp, I'm Monday through Friday in the gym in the weekends I'm going long distance I'm in 13 15 miles yeah and then out of camp is when I ask that you need to coach like hey I've been having issues here or the wrestling coach how to defend this when you're in camp there's not many time to

get better right you just get your mind set you listen to your head coach your body should be fit by then but out of comes when you're adding tools when you're like getting new new guns new bullets did you ever see uh when bj pym was training with marv marinovich yeah i i he told me a lot about it yeah and parillo told me too he was what, what I heard about it, it was like, it was all about. Cardio. Three, four seconds. Three, four seconds. Yeah.

But that's why he have a great first round. Yeah. And then he slowed down. Well, no, not necessarily. You know, that was when he beat Sean Shirk. That was when he beat, who else did he fight? Diego Sanchez with the head kick. Diego Sanchez.

That's right. Like those fights were when he was supremely conditioned. But the point was, their idea was, you already know how to fight. Yes. This is, the camp is not for fighting. The camp is for physical preparation. So to get yourself in peak condition, that was what they thought. I can talk because I'm in that camp.

I'm with Parillo. So they were focusing a lot on explosiveness, explosion. But then what about the long distance? Like that's what Parillo says. It's not about a sprint. It's not about intervals. It's not about long distance. It's about the three of them.

And that's one thing I add from him because he liked me to sprint. He liked sprints. Me personally, my favorite thing is go over 50 miles. Just run almost three hours. Like, just go. Why do you like doing that? Because my mind is so sharp.

I'm thinking. I'm visualizing. I'm thinking. I'm seeing the future. I'm like, I basically am thinking on what I want, how I want to get it done. But then also, you got to be able to keep yourself active for that long. Because when you do intervals, like last night I did a sprint,

like fast, like 12 miles per hour, two minutes. I did like six rounds like that. It's hard as fuck. Your heart is going to get off your chest, but you know it's two minutes. You know it's going to end. So it's almost like you teach yourself to stop here. When I do my long distance,

there's no, it's almost done. Because when I go six, seven miles to the left, I know I got to come back. Right, right, right. I like everything. All of them work, because one, it helped me being explosive, helped me being fast.

But the other one, in the the championship rounds is going to show. And you don't get this overnight. I don't start running and get to 13 miles in a week. Took me months to get there. Now, I do 13, 15 whenever I want. But also, I don't stop using it. Parillo always said, you don't use it, you lose it. Right. So you got to come back to the basics.

You got to keep doing. That's why I say it's not seasonal. It's never ending. When you're in camp, do you run long distances? They stop me to do it. Yeah? Because they're like, hey, okay, four weeks out, forget about it. Now we have to be fast and explosive, which I listen to my team.

That's why I'm winning. And you already have the cardio base. I already have it. Now we have to be fast and explosive, which I listen to my team. That's why I'm winning. And you already have the cardio base. I already have. The low base has been done the whole year. On camp, I just focus on be quick and be sharp and be ready to go. When you started in Ecuador, what kind of facilities were available? Nothing.

Nothing. I was training on living rooms with mats. Let's say you move this table, you put mats, and we go jab, cross, hook, back and forth. Really? There was nothing. What motivated you to get into it? This is the crazy thing. This goes back to when I'm a four-year-old kid in Ecuador in this town called Chone.

I was fighting on the street the homeless kids that they clean shoes for money or they still they sell like chiclets or cigarette my brother used to call these kids giving couple bucks to fight me for fun like the like the fucking circus and I love it like there's not when you were four I was a kid a 5-4 yes they used to make me fight just for fun Wow and they would laugh about it and then if I lose they get mad but I used to ask for it bro I want would laugh about it I think if I lose they get mad but I used to ask for it bro I want to fight today it was like that was like instead of go play soccer that was for me and it was fight MMA no it was it was a street fight right just you scrap but no rules no gloves of course don't buy don't buy don't do crazy shit did you guys discuss this beforehand

no we just fight punches well I guess we were gentlemen gentlemen they used to make me fight so they would be like

okay we found this kid fighting I was like right now yeah don't be a fucking pussy I was like

okay whatever wow but that was just for fun but then when I started growing up i wasn't an aggressive an aggressive person but i always be looking for a fight it was i don't know what was there maybe it was chuck norris chuck norris oh yeah oh yeah you remember walker ranger of texas yes that was my shit cowboy boots and i would want to fight every bad person. Did you wear cowboy boots in the hat? Oh, growing up, I was a cowboy.

My dad had a farm since I remember. Oh, yeah? Cows, everything. Oh, wow. So it's just the environment I grew up in. It was weird. It was all like man shit, wake up at 3 in the morning, pick up the cows, and I don't have to do that.

I was doing it for fun. Like the employee would pick me up at three in the morning. Hey, Chito. And I just jump on his horse. He took me. My dad wake up with a cup of coffee and I was like, hmm. It was working, but in my mind I was just having fun. Oh, okay.

So you enjoyed it? Oh, I love it. If I retire right now, I can go back to Ecuador and just work for my dad in the farm. Be alive for the rest of my life. That's what you would do? Do you think that's what you'll do when you retire? I don't know, I can go back to Ecuador and just work for my dad in the farm. Be alive for the rest of my life. That's what you would do? Do you think that's what you'll do when you retire? I don't know.

I got three kids. They basically are Americans from here. I don't think there's a way back for me because by the time they're 15, I'm going to be like, yo, daddy want to be happy in Ecuador. He's going to be like, fuck off. We're from California, dude. Yeah, right? It's going to be hard to bring. We're from California, dude. Yeah, right? It's going to be hard to bring them back.

Unless California goes crazy. Unless California keeps getting- Unless what's happening in Los Angeles makes its way to where you are. Them, I'm fucked. Them, I'm out of there. Them, I've come here to Texas. Yeah, a lot of people are doing that. And I can wear my cowboy hat here.

Oh, you blend right in. I bought yesterday a pair of boots. Oh, yeah? Where'd you go? Ellen boots. Oh yesterday a pair of boots oh yeah where'd you go allen boots oh allen boots yeah yeah yeah on congress right yeah yeah when i saw i was like holy fuck these things are beautiful oh it's a great that's a great place but now you know i live in cali i live like a little hipster cod pants colorful shit yeah you're gonna get hippie man i know you get tie-dye on and everything. All the time. But that's where I come from. I don't forget that.

It's still my soul. Like if I see a horse, I get happy. I want to ride it. Oh, yeah. Now, when you were little and your brothers have you fight and you were fighting these homeless people, did you have any kind of training? Zero.

Zero. Zero. So they were like just for fun tough people hey kid come on fight there was not like a bad blood or bad energy it was just like hey just crap for fun for fun like or they would put boxing gloves that sometimes you were like a sock with a bunch of socks inside that was a boxing glove oh my god my brother used to be like come let me teach you and that's how move you get punched with the fist, right? Both black eyes.

My mom came home. What happened? Oh, my brother beat the fuck out of me. He was teaching me boxing. He don't know shit. He was just telling me like, hey, come on, punch it with me. And then the socks would move. And you would just get straight knuckles.

Straight knuckles in my face. But then by the time I was like seven or eight, there was a karate school right in front of my house. I would beg my mom, please, please, please. Like literally, you can walk there. And she was like, no, I don't like fighting. You know, typical mom. One day she agreed. Okay, let's go.

They paid for the month. I get my kimono. They showed me like jab, cross, spinning wheel kick. The next day in the school, I told my friend. It wasn't even a wasn't even a fight just hey stand there let me show you what i learned one two spinning wheel kick to the stomach the kid was crying karate was gone karate was fucking gone i fucking told you you punch your friend i'm like i didn't do it because i'm a bad kid i want i want to show them what i learned but i kicked him like he was a boxing bag. I just went full blast.

Jab crosses, pin to the stomach. That kid was crying. And then my mom was like, that's a wrap. No more. So they never let me train. I will beg them for training. So when did you first start formally training? When I was 16 years old, my neighbor told me like, yo, there's this Jiu-Jitsu gym.

It's really good. I know you like fighting. I know you're fighting all the time. You should come. That will probably calm you down. That'll calm you down. I went with him one day. I paid for the full month.

Like right away, no, no, no try class, no nothing. Since that day, until today, yo,

I haven't stopped training. Wow. But my family, family i i get it why they never support me at the beginning they were like nah they thought i was a boy in college i was just i was just different you know my sister and my brother they graduated from high school straight to college both have the degree normal people smart people i wasn't the case i was getting in trouble all the time you know cops school everywhere i go there was an issue my group of friends were fucking maniacs not that it didn't help either so when i started fighting and i was like okay no more crazy life no more bullshit i want to fight they were like oh no no we don, if you get better at this, you're going to hurt people.

You're a dumbass. They wouldn't want this for you. And I was like, no, if I start doing this, it's because I really want it. They didn't believe it. But it's because all the bad things I already did come until this point. By the moment I started training, everything around my life stopped. Like no more party, no more outside life, no more skateboarding, no more surfing. I left everything.

And I focused on Jiu-Jitsu to become a fighter. And since that day I touched that gym, never stopped coming. And this was this place in Ecuador. Who was running it? My first Jiu-Jitsu coach is Fernando Suluza. These guys came from Fabio Gurgel in Brazil. Oh, wow. So he came from, this guy is legit.

He came from the times like when Marcelo Garcia, Galbao, all those guys were competing. He came from the same, like the same age. So he came from a good group. Damien, he's really close to Damien, like very close. Oh, wow. So he came to Ecuador to decide to open a school and he put Jiu Jitsu on the mat because because he came from Brazil if he would have never came

why did he decide to go to Ecuador I have no idea he just came one day and never left wow and until this day still teaching and he was fighting too he was fighting too. He was fighting to show people, like, look, I'm not that good in the striking, but with my jiu-jitsu, I can win fights. And for me, I was like, easy road. I want to come and do this. But before he gets to know who I am, I come to the gym. I was like, hey, man, my name is Chito. I want to be a UFC fighter.

He's like, fuck off, kid. He's like, what do you train? Are you a boxer? Are you a kickboxer? I'm like, no, I'm nothing. But I want to be a UFC fighter. So I came saying that to everybody. I want to be a UFC fighter.

And people used to laugh about it. It's like, dude, you're nothing. You never trained your life. It doesn't matter. I want to be a UFC fighter. And the first day I show up to school, that was it. And then the year later, I graduated from high school.

I was coming twice a day, every day. It's almost like at the beginning, we're like, fuck off, kid. We don't want you here. You're like annoying. I never stopped coming

until this day. I never stopped. That's amazing. Well, you had a vision. I just saw the UFC. I saw Pride FC. I saw Strikeforce, and I was like,

wait a minute. I don't need to go to college. That's it. Do you remember the first event that you saw? Yes. It was GSP. I watch a lot of old ones. But live, it was GSP Kocik, if I'm not wrong, the first one.

GSP Josh Kocik. Yeah. And I told myself, I want to be like that guy. That was a rough one. Because Kocik got that broken orbital and his eyes swole up. I think that was the second one. Koscheck. Yeah. And I told myself, I want to be like that guy. That was a rough one because Koscheck got that broken orbital and his eyes swole up. I think that was the second one. Was it? Yeah.

I'm a nerd. Jamie, tell us. GSP and Koscheck fought twice. Yeah. One was the ultimate fighter and the other one was the regular one, if I'm not wrong. The regular one is not the one you saw? You saw the ultimate fighter one? Which one did you see if i'm not wrong the the the orbital with the with the front superman was the

second one yes it was the second one yeah i watched the first one oh that's the one that gave me like oh wow look at the guy i want to be like that when i grew up and also i started shaving my head i shaved my head the first thing even my UFC debut I had a full-on shave and like just like that I can't remember Josh Koscheck's first fight with GSP's UFC 74 I was trying to find the images I just have got I don't remember that fight I'm trying to remember that fighter finale what happened decision decision both of them decision right yeah the second one Yeah, Ultimate Fighter finale. What happened? Decision.

Decision. Both of them decision, right? Yeah, decision, yeah. The second one was a rough one. That was the one where Koscheck, it was fucked up because he couldn't even fly. He had to get his eye operated on, and I believe they drove. Superman, Superman, Superman. I think that was Montreal, right? It was in Toronto.

It should be because the first one was a small one. It was either Montreal or Toronto Toronto but he had to drive. I remember it was Canada. It might have been, was that the one where he fought in front of 60,000 people at the Rogers Center? It was huge. Yeah. One of those.

That one was crazy. And being a kid from Ecuador I told myself I want to be that and have the entire fucking nation just screaming for myself Because you he inspired me in a good way Like I was like I want to be that yeah Like almost like teach me how to win fight just be watching him over and I was like fuck I want to be like this guy, but then I would like watch WC privacy like I was a watch WEC,

Pride FC. I was just so much of a big fan of the sport that that helped me become a pro fighter easily. So you were in Ecuador, you were training jiu-jitsu.

When did you have your first fight? Literally a year after the first day I stepped in the gym. I was a blue belt. I was training a little bit of kickboxing

and this guy came like, hey, somebody get hurt. You want to fight and i was like okay who's this other guy he's like i use a kid like you he practiced kickboxing you're a kid you do jujitsu it's gonna be fun i fly to quito the capital with one of my friends i have to make my mom sign a contract because of of course, I was underage. I told my mom it was a Jiu-Jitsu tournament. Lady didn't read.

She signed it. I flew to Quito. And then I was like, what the fuck am I doing here? It was a mechanic, a car mechanic. They put a rope with a bunch of shit so you don't see the mechanic's eye. They put four walls, like making of a cage. It looks like a rooster cage. The ground was the mats, the squares that have like the cookies.

Puzzle mats. Yeah, the puzzle mats. And a fucking metal cage. The metal was going like that. So if you get too close to the cage, you're cut. Really? Yes. And then I was like, okay, there's no weigh-ins.

There's no locker room. It's a fucking mechanic. It's the capital is cold too. There's no heater. I show up with a fucking hoodie and my shorts. I was like, what the fuck am I doing? I was like, okay, who's my opponent? I don't see no kids in here.

All grown men with tattoos looking mean. And then I asked the guy that contacted me for the fight. I'm like, yo, who I'm fighting? See the guy there with the dreads? I was like, he's not a fucking kid. He's like, it's okay. You should be fine. And we were at the main event.

I didn't do shit. You were at the main event? Yeah, but this is no license. This is a homie making fights in the back of the mechanic. Right. So I wrap my hands with just regular hand wraps, put it on. I don't have a mouthpiece with me. They buy one,

boil it, put it in my mouth, and then, okay, it's your turn, go. No warm-up, no nothing. I was a UG2 kid showing up to this mma show this fucker throw a spinning wheel to my face i closed my eyes and should have doubled it and that thing just touched my hair and i was like okay i'm not gonna strike with this guy because i don't know how to strike so for one round i tried to take him down over and over and over

and kitu is like just like me Mexico City, it's high altitude. First round's over, my throat and my lungs were dry. I told my friend, like, bro, what the fuck? I don't want to be here. He's like, no, you're there. Don't be a fucking pussy. Go out and fight. I'm like, what should I do?

Just keep taking him down. You need to win all the time. That's what he told me. And I was like, okay, I guess you're right. Went back in the second round, take him down, Jiu-Jitsu wins all the time. That's what he told me. And I was like, okay, I guess you're right. Went back in the second round, take him down, umber him. When I tap him out,

there's no feeling like that. That was my first MMA win. I was the most high natural drug I ever took in my life was winning that day by umber. And I told myself, I will put everything on the world that affects to be a good athlete aside.

And since that day, I started training like a maniac, like nonstop. So everything that could possibly get in the way of that, you put that aside. Everything, everything. Like, hey bro, there's a good thing tonight. No.

Like my girlfriend, which is my wife now, she knew, like, I was, like, it was fighting. I was obsessed. I'm going to marry to the UFC. And here we are. And where were you training? You said you weren't training very much striking. Did you start training striking after that? So, this Jiu-Jitsu, Fernando Suluza have, like, a kickboxing coach on the side that he would use for himself and some other guys,

and I started training with them in the MMA class in the mornings. So these guys have some kickboxing skills and also was a brown belt at the time in Jiu-Jitsu. So he would put together some classes, but MMA class was shingles and gloves, just beat the shit out of each other. So there was no, like, strategy, technique? Oh, no.

Like, the technique back then was, like, high kick back on four. Five minute rounds. Okay. Switch kick back on four. Jab back, like, you know, it was a beginner class. And back then, MMA was blind in Ecuador. And what year was this? This is 2012. 2012 2012 2011 yeah this is because I make my UFC debut 2014 oh this is way before then fuck it's a long time ago so it

was the jiu-jitsu was legit people were winning in Brazil people were winning in the u.s in the panams in the world but mma was that was it was blind did you have to combine the stuff yourself like the transitions between the kicks and punches and the takedowns or did they have any strategy for that the jujitsu coach fernando he will be like okay jab to the takedown jab course who to the tech like you know like very old school basic right you know if somebody throw the low kick, run the takedown. Or we would do days that we only spar in the wall, trying to take somebody down. But it wasn't like what I have right now,

like a full-on class technique, you do this, you have to do that. There was no experience. This guy, Soluso, he was a fighter himself, but he was winning with Jiu-Jitsu. He was going full-on takedown and submit the guy as soon as he get down. A couple fights, he couldn't take the guy down. They were bad fights for him. Yeah.

But it was just the old days. The old days, yeah. MMA wasn't big in Ecuador. Nobody would see the UFC. So they didn't know what you were trying to do. When I told my dad, I want to be a ufc fighter he was like ufc what the fuck is that and i was like ufc he's on tv he's like there's a lot of things to be a kid and i was like you don't get it like it was just not popular it was hard to support

a kid that wanted to do that it was just like what is that ufc oh cage fighting oh awesome so you we basically figured it out in the process that's all by the time the ufc contacted me to send me to albuquerque to the latin american program with all the with all with all the mexicans yeah what year was that that was 2014 so only a couple years into your your fighting career at all i was six and one wow and i have 19 fights in the ufc right now wow so i triple i almost tripled my my my record inside the ufc then on the side so that's what i kind of like take pride on it because most people like made it like me win one lose one, get caught.

Yeah. Because I was so young. When I made my UFC debut in Mexico, I barely knew what I was doing. I was just like, I was in Jackson for six months. In six months, you don't get better. I was much better because I was with Jon Jones, with Cowboy. Even Dodson was in his prime. Holy Home was around. So I was like, fuck, I'm training with with Cowboy. Even Dodson was in his prime. Holy Homer was around.

So I was like, fuck, I'm training with all these people. I'm going to kick ass. And then my coach from Ecuador came. And he's like, hey, they did everything wrong. I'm going to fix it for you. I was like, what do you mean? He was trying to take credit for everything. But just that alone fucked me in the head i was like wait a minute i thought i

was what did he think they were doing wrong he was just make sure he controlled everything so if i lose see greg jackson make you lose if you win oh i fix it on fire week which is now i'm a grown man i understand what bullshit means yeah i was a kid back then. I was 21. So I was just trying to figure it out on the go. There's a lot of coaches that do that, man. That didn't last much. After that fight, we had one more fight, and I was like, I told my manager, hey, that's a wrap.

I need to get out of Ecuador. If I stay here, I'm done. Even the UFC told me, hey, Sean basically told me, I believe in you. But if you don't get out of Ecuador, you're done. And because of your relationship with your coach? It was a pretty shitty relationship with the coach. This is not the Jiu-Jitsu guy. This is the MMA guy. It was very shitty and low level.

He would play tricks, play mind games. Like, hey, I see this in my dreams. I'm like, oh. He had dreams? Oh, yeah. Oh, fuck oh fuck yeah it's bullshit but the sooner that my family was like telling me about it all the time like watch out be careful it's just a weird the way the way he controlled you and that would kind of like put myself against my family no you guys are wrong he's right that happens a lot to guys early in their career if they get unlucky they can get

hooked up with the wrong coach it was my first mma coach that's why i get hooked with him and i will believe anything he says it's so common man you get a talented guy that gets hooked up with the wrong at some point you know he actually did help on some on some things but the the amount of power he wants over me he will fucks everything but that's what a low level guy will do a low level guy that sees potential in a guy like you and thinks this is his ticket you know the moment the moment i realized everything was shit was the moment he asked for 50 yes i was and i paid 50 i paid 50 of one fight and I end up having nothing in my pocket after that. 50 fucking percent?

I know, yeah, but those learning experiences, thank God, happened early. So by the time I am right now here, I'm not getting bullshit. You know, I'm working. I'm working hard. Everybody gets paid, but that also teaches me a lot. 50% is crazy talk. I'm working hard everybody gets paid, but that also teach me a lot 50% is crazy toys. Oh, it's when I when my dad when my dad find out is like bro you're getting raped with not condom and I was like I

Get super mad about it. Yeah, because I was defending my old coach instead of like listen to to them when he said he wanted 50% what what was that conversation like? What was he saying? Exactly. I remember I was watching fights on TV, and he texted me, hey, I saw this interview with Ronda Rousey. This is when Ronda was on top of the world. And she said all the successes because of Coach, and she paid him 50%. So you want to do that? And I was like yeah sure he had me

hooked so whatever he say I have to accept it but then now that I'm here today I'm like Rhonda wasn't paying 50% yeah that's horses there's a standard easily 10% yeah 12 some comes but all those things took me to where I am today yeah well it's good sometimes to be bullshitted. Like, it's good to have a bad girlfriend so you recognize what a good girlfriend's like. True. It's good to have a bad manager

so you realize what a good one's like. It's true. No. So, everything happened. You know, they say it's kind of silly. Everything happened for a reason. Yeah. You also,

you are also an idiot for letting it happen to you. But, you learn from that. If you learn from that, it's good. Yeah. Everybody's an idiot at one point in their you, but you learn from that. If you learn from that, it's good. Yeah, everybody's an idiot at one point in their life. But the problems would happen twice. Then you're a real idiot. Then you're a real idiot. Yeah.

Well, some people just get emotionally connected to a manager or to a coach, and then they really have a hard time breaking up with them. Some people, they get their hooks in deep. I was pretty hooked, yeah. It happens, man. There's been world champions that have ruined their career because they had a bad coach because they didn't

go with the real camp and they had one strategy that was winning for a while but there's these holes in that strategy that someone recognized but they didn't that's exactly what you used to think about it you always will win from the guard with a triangle. And I have like six triangles, like early. And then it's like, that's it. You just need that. And then you're married to the UFC. You fight some high caliber. And then that triangle is fucking not working at all.

There's a few guys that have a technique that they just did over and over and over and over and over and over. And there's a point. Did you ever see Paul Sass fight? I know the name. He's got like 100 fucking triangle wins. He was always catching people with triangles. Like, if you got that guy on his back, you were fucked. Yeah.

It was a rare moment. Like, some people, they just develop this one technique that's so goddamn sharp. Remember Cody McKenzie? He had the McKenzie team. Yeah. Yeah. Like a high album.

Catch everybody in the guillotine. Yeah. Over and over again. The person when that stopped working, then you're fucked forever. Then you're fucked. Yeah, but it's funny how some people, how far they can get with one technique.

Yeah. You know? My first five fight, they were basically all triangle chokes. Really? Yeah. I have like six triangle chokes. I was like one in the UFC.

And then the first time I lost in the UFC, I threw like three triangles. Didn't work. And then I was looking to the corner like, hey, this is not working. What the fuck should I do now? Because I didn't have any other technique. So how did you get to Jackson's? I was driving. I got a call from a number that says USA.

And I was like, weird. I'm from Ecuador. So I pick up. It's like, hey, Marlon, you've been selected to be in the UFC. And then I fucking almost crashed. When they said UFC, my dick got hard. I was like, what the fuck? So this was Ultimate Fighter.

Number one, that time. Yeah yeah the first Latin American yes so you're selected to go to the ultimate fighter so you will have to go to Jackson's and train and if you're good they put you on if you're bad they trained you until you're good and there's two options you didn't make it or will just send you back and I was getting some pictures with my friend to send to Mexico to defend my belt. I had a belt in Mexico I have to defend in December against this ex Bellator guy. So that was a big fight because if you win that fight against an American you're pretty much in the UFC. The way things work right because I used to make my own fights. I used

to contact every single promoter in South America, tell them I will fight for free just because I want to let myself know two people and be in the UFC one day. So I make their job easy because back then you were making 500 bucks. Anyway, so like don't pay me nothing. Send me a flyer. With this flyer, I ask sponsors to pay for my ticket my hotel and I won't fight and then I have people get to know who I am so I was said I was I take those pictures sent to the promoting Mexico I'm literally the moment and send the email my phone rings and I was like hello hey Marlon we call regardless from the UFC you've been selected I hit the curve boom my tire

explode I was like UFC are you the fucking UFC and they're like yeah you've been selected I was like hey if this is a joke I'm gonna kill you because I was I somehow my sister and my brother they're fucking dicks in a good way and I was like they're probably fucking with

me because this is a good story this happened were they speaking to you in Spanish yes so I was like, they're probably fucking with me. Because this is a good story. This happened. Were they speaking to you in Spanish? Yes. So I was like, fuck. If this is my sister and my brother, I'm going to bury them alive. But my dad told me, hey, this is the last year you have to try this.

After this, you find a real job, you work for me, or you leave the house. And you were 21 at the time? I was 20. And this is November, like the last couple days of November, he told me, you got until December. December 2nd is my birthday. December 1st, like the bank is closed for you.

You either work or you're fucked. And I know my dad is a hardcore old school guy. I know there's no change for that. So this was my last chance, this fighting in December. I don't know, sometime in December. That was my last chance to marry to the UFC. So when these people called me, this is the last week of November. So I was like, fuck, this could be my sister and my brother just fucking with me.

And I hit the curve. The tire explode. I park. And I was like, like okay are you real the ufc yeah you've been selected you you have to fly to abu karki train and they will check your email you have a you you will have info to to file on to for your tickets and blah blah blah cool this my dad was ready it's like to stop supporting me and i was already married i have one daughter so my dad was helping me to so i can train all day he was like helping me with with my rent helping me with some food but just like basic essentials like i'll have

to figure it out the rest and he told me december December 1st game, kid. You're done. You find a job. And fuck that fighting dream. I called him. The fucking UFC called me. His partner was like, fuck, I'm fucked now. And I was like, dad, they called me. I'm going to leave to Albuquerque.

I'm going to make it. And we all will be good. I fucking make it. I love you. Thanks for everything you did for me. Blah, blah, blah. I drove straight to my wife and I was like, hey, I'm leaving to Albuquerque for six months. I read what her wife will be like, freaking out.

The smile on her face just make my day. Six months? Six months. Wow. You gotta live. So I trained for those six months there. so I trained for those six months there and then the finale of the ultimate fight was in November when it was at Marco Han and Verdun so that was Mexico City yes yeah so I we went to ultimate fighter I was there for that one I know that's what hurt me the most not just not winning but not getting to talk to you that day I I swear to God. I was so upset.

And I really thought I won the fight. It was a decision, but I was like, I thought I did enough. I was kind of hype, and then I was like, oh, shit, whatever. That broke my heart in 20,000 pieces because it was my UFC debut. I made it to the UFC, and I was like,

fuck, I made all this, and I'm a fucking loser. I made it to the UFC and I was like, fuck, I made all this and I'm a fucking loser. That loss made me like hard in a way. Like I was like, okay, no more fucking bullshit. No more weird coach, no more bullshit, no more whatever people say. I'm going to focus so hard that one day I'm going to go to be a world champion. Because it was like, it was so much in the past. Like, even what my dad did for me and my family, my wife's family, what they did for her,

to stay with a guy that wasn't making a fucking dime, just training all day like a maniac, for a good reason. So I was like, if I make all that to come here and lose like this, I'm a fucking failure. So that right there kind of like give me the foundation to don't be a loser like literally i was so hard on myself that i was like i gotta get killed to lose again well you were young and it's you know it was that was that was

a very close fight it was a very close fight it It was a very close fight. It was early, too. Just that experience, too, to be in Mexico City, in that huge arena, fighting in the UFC. What was that like, just to step into the octagon like that? I woke up crying that day. I was crying in the workout. I was like, as a fan, as all I did to be there, I was like, I'm not going to contain it. I'm not going to not cry so people don't see me. I was full on crying walking to the cage.

Wow. Because I was fighting. You remember that thing with my daughter for the surgery? Yes, yes. And then young Anik Boyce comes on the big screen fighting for his daughter's smile. And I was like, this is fucking asshole right now. And I started crying.

I was like, fuck, I want to make this happen. Because that was all, back then I was making eight and eight. Good luck finding 80 grand to pay that surgery. Right. So it was just a lot in my shoulders. And I told myself, I will never want to be the guy that my daughter is 18 year old and ask me, why you never did it for me? So I was like, doing that alone was bigger

than being in the ufc i was like i cannot have fun yet by achieving my dream of being here i need to get that done first and that was my first big thing i ever did wow in my life that was a big thing too that was a huge event that event in the ufc in mexico city that was why it was you the the ground was shaking yeah when i was walking out to the cage it was pack and that was the very first fight of the night there was no one soul that can get in there oh no it was oversold yeah it was pack yeah that that arena is nice too. That's a great arena. Yeah. It's pretty nice.

It's hard to fight in Mexico City too. The altitude is, what is that, 7,000 feet? Yeah. I think it's right around there. It's that and Quito,

but that helped me fight in Ecuador in the capital. It's just as high. Yeah. And Albuquerque's high too, right? Albuquerque,

it's a little lower, but it's high. 5,000 something? I think I got more red blood cells than the usual human being. They told me that when I was a kid. Really? They made me blood test because I was sick. And the doctor freaked out.

He told my mom, hey, something about cancer. I was like, what the fuck? I freaked out. And then when the results came out, he was like, okay, it's all normal. He just have double the red the red blood cells of a normal human really

so does that translate into extra endurance I will guess so because that's crazy where does it all go if you have double the red I don't know

hey there's a doctor talking to my mom when I was a kid and I will never forget that have you had a blood test recently to check to see if that's still the same no no you should do that find out if the doctor is an idiot most likely was but I remember because I got

scared he's telling told my mom something's wrong with his blood and I was like oh my god fuck it was wrong with my blood oh no I was freaking out because my mom took me they found some weed on my backpack and they was like make him a test and then just from finding weed to hey something's wrong with his blood i was like wait wait a minute like the weed's giving you cancer they don't um you know right no one knows ecuadorian doctors right yeah that was probably a bet yeah jesus christ Christ. Yeah. But growing up, that's when my mom told me, like, oh, you got more red balls. So when you first started training at Jackson's, what was that experience like? Like, how much growing did you have to know?

How much did you have to abandon of, like, the way you fought before? I was a white belt. Really? Rolling with black belts. I was lost. a white belt really rolling with black belts

I was lost the first day of that trip to Jackson's was my first ever aspiring like real aspiring like with a real fighter in front of me

a real professional I was getting dropped left and right really I was getting kicked on my leg I'm flying I was getting punched

in the stomach and crawling to the ground I was like my friends would text me like hey how's you having fun this fucking cowboy is there I was like, my friends would text me like, hey, how's, are you having fun? This fucking cowboy is there.

I was like, forget about cowboy. I'm getting my ass kicked by fucking a guy that have zero amateur fights. I was getting tapped. I was getting take down. I was getting fucking murdered in the stand.

I wasn't, I don't win a round like in the first 10 weeks. Wow. It was awful. 10 weeks wow like it was awful 10 weeks of just getting your ass kicked ass kicked

in every single practice even true story this Mike Bali he was a striking coach there he put me aside one class

and he's like he give me this fucking dumb story like when I was a kid my dream was to be a baseball player

blah blah blah, blah. And one day, the coach told me I should find something else. Because I wasn't good enough, and I decided to go to fighting instead of do baseball because I was so bad there. So I would recommend you to find something else.

Oh, shit. I look at him at the eye dead cold, and I say, fuck you. And I walk away. Whoa. But the only thing that I prize myself is like, I was getting my ass kicked everywhere. Everywhere. In every single class.

Jiu-Jitsu class, tap like a fucking clapper. Striking class, getting my ass kicked. Wrestling class, good luck. I was blind everywhere. But I never stopped coming to class on time and ready to go. That never changed. Every morning, every Tuesday morning, cold mornings of sparring. 9.30, I was there warming up, ready to go. Get my ass kicked, go to the room, cry sometimes because I was realizing i suck at this but keep coming keep coming keep

coming so two and a half months and you start to see a change a little bit a little bit at least i get familiar with the guys that shoot and i shouldn't spark i was like you come here you're not that good i can i can run from you but and this was like I trained with these guys for a month, and then I went straight to Ultimate Fighter. Wow. So the other guys that were there, like Jair, they were Mexicans. They had there like a year already.

I was new there. I was new meat. I was there. I didn't have time to get better. You don't get better in a couple months. No. Not in MMA. You have to focus about everything. Not when you're getting your ass kicked too

it's hard to get better when you're getting fucked up like people don't realize that like one thing that eddie bravo told me early on he's like trained with blue belts he goes because you could tap them all the time then you get all these reps in he goes if you train with black belts you're just defending and you're getting tapped a lot the men the men this process told me that i train with them full-time in cali they told you that too they they the same exact words i came early for this podcast he came on friday to train with anna her same exact thing yeah so it's like right there you got it the three top three in the world right and if they tell you that it must be for a reason yeah there's a reason it's it's about reps and it's also like you see that with young fighters you know if you fight like that's the reason why

boxing has a very smart strategy they match you up carefully until they get you prepared for a world-class opponent and then eventually for a title fight. The thing about the UFC is they'll throw guys to the wolves very early on, especially if you're willing. Because there's no belt system and there's no boxing system. Well, it's also because there's a bunch of different promoters in boxing. And the whole key to make the most money is get your fighter undefeated when he gets to

the title shot and the ufc it's like they get to make the call and if they call you up and they say hey marlin we have a fight and it's for you know it's a championship level fighter and you have four days notice and can you make weight you're like what the fuck and maybe you're drinking and maybe you know that happens all the time all the time all the time nate diaz was drinking what they call him for corner yeah there's drinking tequila in mexico eating tacos i know yeah and then he goes okay and 11 days later he's strangling conor mcgregor i know she's tacos vegan vegan tacos. Yeah, no, he doesn't eat vegan. They keep saying that. That's not true. I mean, he eats eggs and fish.

And I mean, I don't know if he's still eating fish, but he certainly was at one point in time. You know, but the vegans love to claim him. It's hilarious. They love to find the one person. Because it's nonsense. They always try to find this one person who's like elite on a vegan diet. Like, look at Nate Diaz. Look what he's done.

Look what he's done look at he's done i remember that and i asked him personally i was like yeah i eat a lot of vegetables but i eat a lot of things i eat meat every day do you oh full on revise left and right is that most of your diet like out of camp like out of camp i can eat whatever i want because I keep in a certain amount of diet. I don't eat no sugar. I rarely do a cheat meal but I eat meat every day. I do vegetable juices, avocados, like a lot of fats,

a lot of protein and some veggie juices. Do you have a nutritionist or do you just, yeah? Perfecting athletes, they, they,

we've been together for like 11 fights so they know me they know I'm not fucking around like they know I'm in Texas and in the last 4 days

I've been eating meat eggs veggie juices couple of smoothies always healthy there's no point to go a other way

right no point it's just mouth pleasure and exactly the moment you swallow it you're fucked yeah it feels good

when it's in your mouth just spit it out Diego Sanchez used to do that he used to eat meat I mean he had this idea that meat was bad for you Exactly. The moment you swallow it, you're fucked. Yeah, it feels good when it's in your mouth. Just spit it out. Diego Sanchez used to do that. He used to eat meat. I mean, he had this idea that meat was bad for you, but he used to chew the meat and then spit it out. Diego Sanchez. He's so crazy. I do at least two revives a day.

Really? Oh, yeah. But I eat a bunch of avocados, a bunch of fruit, a bunch of veggie juices. And then when I get a call to fight, I'm not overweight. I'm basically in shape. I just add a bunch of veggies because my meals go smaller and smaller and smaller towards the end of camp. What is your weight walking around normally? Like 54, 53. Okay, so you're cutting somewhere

in the neighborhood of 20 pounds yeah yeah and what do you weigh like the week of the fight like 45 48 okay so 10 pounds I got 10 to 11 pounds on Thursday night and make weight it's not easy I fucking deplete my body it's awful at the first couple pounds I'm so mad when i start because i started like even if i set my mind this time i want to be happy fuck this shit weight cuts for pussies blah blah blah blah but then the 45ers are like three times my size i think there should be no weight cutting no way really do if you call me right now hey you're fighting, give me any name. This guy weights between 155 and 160. Sign the contract.

Well, it's just, I think the UFC needs two things to happen. They need more weight classes, and they need to stop cutting weight. Those two things need to happen. If they had a weight class every 10 pounds, a person could adjust their diet, adjust their body fat, adjust the amount of cardio they do, and naturally bring their body to a healthy weight and know what weight class you fit in. Like when I make, when I'm cutting weight and I get to 140, I'm kind of strong. After that, I'm fucked. But I know any other bantamweight is doing the same. So it's like nobody's doing.

I think I keep one of the better diet outside. But if you see regular fighters outside camp, they're eating cookies and fucking Coca-Cola. They're not eating well. Most of them. The ones I know, they're eating shit. I won't name them. It's just the whole thing is crazy

because it doesn't make any sense. It's the worst thing you could ever do 24 hours before you have a fight. The worst thing you could ever do is completely deplete yourself. You might as well get drunk. I mean, it's just as bad for you. You took all the water from your brain. Yeah. Then you get punched in the beer.

You're gone. And you can't even use an IV. You can not. You have to replenish everything by drinking the fluids. Anyway, most of my, even when IV was legal I really use him because I drink the first three four hours like perfecting athletes told me like for each hour 500 milligram it will you will fully absorb it because if you go crazy and you drink half a gallon you're you just spit it out right you gotta make

sure you observe it and i'm not a doctor so you have to drink it slowly they are yeah but when you make weight you're desperate you're craving for you will drink your own pee by then so like they told me like i bring one of the ladies with me on wayne day i don't bring my coaches and they say stop they put a timer okay how you feeling good drink again they bring me some eggs some fruit but then when i see around the fighters are just eating pringles or salty shit i'm like i just just drive me crazy i'm like what are you fucking doing and when you weigh in you how many hours after you weigh in do you start to feel good again? Like three hours later, my eyes are not soft anymore.

My face looks normal again. But I drink. I drink for two hours, just liquid. I do between watermelon juice, vegetable juices, orange juice, grape juice, and then water. I don't stop drinking water until i live to the ring like do you put anything in the water do you have like electrolytes we call it like the natural gatorade we put uh honey salt and lime in a in a full gallon and that's my how i rehydrate i don't use no powders, like no bullshit. Right. But I eat this way the whole year. Like if I do my 13-mile run,

that's what I'm drinking when I'm done. So your body's accustomed to it. I am accustomed to it. What drives me also crazy is when a fighter cut 10, 20 pounds, then the first meal is a fucking pizza or a cheeseburger. I'm like, holy shit. I love to fight those guys because your attack of the stomach is over. 10, 20 pounds, then the first meal is a fucking pizza or a cheeseburger. I'm like, holy shit. I love to fight those guys because your attack of the stomach is over.

If I'm not eating that out of camp, what makes you think that's a way to recover? I'm eating a full ribeye, lamb chops, all the fats I can, eggs, fruit, and I feel great. And when you wake up fight day, you feel 100%? Do you feel 80%? No? Not 100%. I think it's hard to feel 100% after 24 hours in recovery. That's so crazy. It's just like you mentally, you tell yourself like,

hey, I'm ready to die. Do you think it's possible to change MMA? I mean, what is one FC doing? Because one FC has no weight cuts, right? Yeah, I was talking a little bit with Gary Tonin about it, and they're still fucking around with weight cuts. How are they doing that? He explained to me in a way that they test you two times,

and then you have to, like, it's almost like you drink a lot of water before you cut a little bit. It's tricky. They take a little bit away, but people, men will always find a way to be bigger and cheat a little bit. Weight cutting is cheating to me. Yeah, I think it's sanctioned cheating. It's like if I weigh 155 in my daily basis,

I fight anybody that natural weight between 150 and 160. Easy, because when I'm sparring, I'm sparring guys that weigh 170 natural. Yeah.

But I'm healthy too. I'm on my natural weight. That's fine. So 10 pound gap is not an issue. When you're healthy. When you're healthy. When you're healthy. What do you think, what percentage do you deplete yourself?

Like when you show up on fight day, you're definitely depleted because of the weight cut. But what percentage? You think you deplete yourself by 10%? I think I walk to the cage feeling between 85 and 90% on 100. But it's also my lifestyle there's there's no drinking right there's no fucking around I go to bed before 10 like the scientists that you have here a while ago the scientists doctor like not close on leave your phone an hour before bed don't have a

full stomach right put socks on be most likely yeah that's matthew walker that that episode shout out to that guy he's a motherfucker that was a big episode he changed my life a lot he changed a lot of people's lives a lot of people recognize like the importance of sleep from that i don't have a tv on my room since and that's like three years ago there's only to be in the living room the you know the ac i like to sleep cold which is say that but like it's just and then i don't really need to take a day off because of that because you're not over trained right you go to sleep on bed and you don't have night life and you're not fucking around you can train hard every day yeah there's days that you pull a

little down then you pull back up but if you go to bed on time and you have a clean lifestyle you pretty much have a good longevity well you know that's when the donna donna her people they all train every day i train there friday saturday sunday monday yeah 365 days a year he told me no days off he goes i go christmas no no days off I go what about when you tired train light just train I do that I turn on Christmas Day New Year's Eve I don't really I'm a holiday person that's what my wife hate about me I'm like she's like Christmas come I'm like good Lord I'm the fucking Grinch in that way but training wise every day yeah because there's always something you can do or your arm hurt do squats your leg hurts punch right you can always do

something and that's what kobe bryant always says yeah by the time you and your opponent are about to compete i have five years ahead because he's waking up earlier and having more time and I do that Yeah, like sometimes I wake up for in the morning go for my run. They might have to work on a skill My car is done Hmm there, but how many people is going to bed on time? That's also the biggest one now when you are in camp or just in general What do you do for recovery? Are you getting regular massages? Are you? for recovery are you getting regular massages are you yeah i definitely do the massages i go to see the like the pt they use the you know if something hurts

the wave shocks or steams i do a lot of hyperbaric chamber for the head a lot how often do you do that weekly weekly how many times once a week once a week for how long for like 90 minutes and how many atmospheres two say that again atmospheres like you know like they can get it up to like the one that i go to get you to 2.2 if you need it i i do it two two atmospheres it's like it's important like how many um how like they have home units yeah the one that goes the metal ones yeah those are the ones you want i say 90 minute in that nothing yeah I don't know what they do how they control it I just get myself in there yeah though I do 90

minutes as well they have some that only do like one and a half atmospheres the idea is like here's the amount of oxygen in a normal atmosphere and they jack it up to two to double the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere and it like though it's pressurized inside yeah and i think it's being underwater yeah like like being underwater with scuba tanks yeah you know what's interesting this lady uh who's my doctor told me that one of the people that uh she used to do this with um they they used to do scuba they were scuba divers and these guys would get drunk and then to recover from scoop from being drunk they would go scuba. They were scuba divers. And these guys would get drunk. And then to recover from being drunk,

they would go scuba diving. And I go, why? She goes, because you're down there breathing basically pure oxygen. And you're deep below the water. And it's so much oxygen. It's like getting into your cells. I never talk to the guys. I talk to them, but the phase

one, phase two, it's just the huge metal ones. I know for a fact it's a good one. Yeah. I do it once a week. Once a week for 90 minutes. And then I do massages, ice bath, guarantee. I have a sauna at home that I torture myself every day. Yeah, sauna's big.

It's game changer. Game changer. If you're going to spend your money, spend it right. A sauna is key. It's key. And there's so many athletes that don't use a sauna i'm like my god you're crazy like dan gable said that he learned that from the europeans that uh the eastern europeans were all using sauna in training and he was like it's like why

why are we not using this in america this is kind of crazy it improves your endurance when i exactly and i don't do it when I lift weight. I do it after I do cardio, so I keep my heart rate high. Yes. Rhonda Patrick went over that. Yes. And I was like, oh, lady, thanks for the advice. Yes.

She keeps the heart rate going. And it's hard to do. You know, when you go in there, I like to drink a lot of water before I do it. So I'll do my cardio. I really love to do it on days I do rounds in the bag. Basically when I run, I do it so i'll do my cardio like a lot i really love to do it on on days i do rounds in the bag do a lot of running yeah and then get in there and you don't want to fucking be in there man you're like oh jesus because your heart's already trying to recover and then you're at 185 degrees i love it yeah i do it every day and it really does maintain your heart rate and i've found it

makes my cardio much better and also like if i'll take time off a cardio like if i hurt something and then i have to take a couple weeks off i don't lose much no you don't lose your son all the time all the time me i get in that thing almost every day i just when she speak about it in the days you do a physical strength you don't do it that's the only thing i i change in my in my daily stuff because I was like, might as well, she knows more than me. I've been doing it,

I love it out. Like in Texas, it gets kind of cold at night in the wintertime here. So it's like 40 degrees at night. So what I like to do is I get in there at nighttime and I get in there outside. I got one,

a barrel sauna that I put outside. It's 185 degrees. I get to 25 minutes and I just like, I just look at my watch and I'm like, Jesus Christ, when is 25 minutes?. I get to 25 minutes, and I just look at my watch. I'm like, Jesus Christ, when is 25 minutes? And I hit that 25 minutes, and then I just lay out in the grass.

Cool grass, stare at the stars. It's amazing. I do that because mine's right in the body. I feel so good, too. It makes me feel better, and it makes me think. I think about life. Because the toxins that stop you from feeling good

you just let it go yeah but I always have to make sure that I'm not lying down in dog shit that's important I gotta look down the grass

scan with my phone scan for dog shit you know what then your day is ruined my dog will leave some presents for me then you're fucking ruined your night

yeah but it feels so good to lie in that grass and stare up at that sky and just like, oh. That's one thing I do enjoy, just watching the sky. The stars are something. They have something about it. Yeah.

It's humbling. It is. Yeah. Show you how small you are. Yeah. Well, that's also, you live in Costa Mesa, right? Yeah. You get to see the ocean.

The ocean's humbling, too. I surf every day. Yeah. Do you really? Oh, yeah. Did you surf in Ecuador? Yeah. I surf every day. Yeah. Do you really? Oh, yeah. Did you surf in Ecuador? Yeah, I grew up surfing. Oh, no kidding.

I went to Hueco last week and surfed. Oh, you did that surf thing? Yeah. Oh, no shit. With the Ruka crew, it was so fucking rad. Well, I heard that's the best way to learn because you guaranteed waves. Guaranteed waves and the ocean is tricky. I've been surfing for years and sometimes when I

surf with pros, I can tell they move to the right, they move to the left and they find a wave. I'm still kind of lost in that way. It's almost like they know where to paddle. I'm like, motherfuckers. Because I only surf with kids that they compete or I get to surf with

Kelly once and I'm like, holy shit. Shane Dorian's here tomorrow is here tomorrow yeah that's a bad motherfucker he's a bad motherfucker i grew up when i was a kid i used to tell myself you will never get to know kelly slater i can introduce you to him right now he's here is here yeah he's in town i i met him when i went to kelly's pool i went did you really i went and the first thing i said bro i'm like, bro, I'm a fan of yours. You know who I am. I fucking love you. Like when I was a kid, those guys were my heroes.

Yeah. Like now you get to, you know, I get to talk to Kelly or hang out with him or asking questions about competitions or shit like that. I'm like, it's mind blowing. It's like, it's humbling in a way. Like you get to a point that you're heroes. You're able to talk to them. Yeah, you're here with your friends. It feels unreal sometimes.

It's so strange. Oh, my God, man. I have a problem with that. I hear it all the time when you say it. It's in the back of my head. When I get to meet somebody like that, I'm like, fuck, is he unreal? Man, I met Willie D from the Ghetto Boys. And I met him in Houston when I did a show down there.

Am I playing tricks on me? Yeah, and I'm hanging out with him like i was trying to explain it to him i'm like man when i was a kid and i was delivering newspapers i would listen to the ghetto boys i had i don't remember it was a cassette or a cd i don't remember but i'd listen to you guys over and over and over again and now you're right here in front of me it was weird man i've met a lot of famous people but he was one of the weirder ones because i just listened to that thing so often so many times it's crazy when i was surfing with kelly i was like holy shit he invited me to his pool and i'm surfing with him i was like i'm fucking alive or i'm just high at home it's still for me

man when i had snoop here on the podcast recently. I remember you did. That one was fucked too because I was way too high. I was way too high and I was tripping out that it was Snoop Dogg. That's the reason.

This is my first one. I didn't bro the weed because I'm like, I'm going to talk to you. I want to be sober the first time. Second time, I'm going to be high. Okay, we'll do a second time.

We'll get blasted together. Yeah, I was thinking to myself, I'm like, what if I just get too high and you fucking blow it? Just go sober and I was thinking to myself, I'm like, what about if you just get too high and you fucking blow it? Just go sober and don't talk shit. Because when I'm high, I just talk. I'm talking now.

I'm the same person. I'm pretty easygoing. But still, you don't want to fuck that up. Sometimes great things come out of your head when you're high, though. And then sometimes you just go off the rails. You just never know. It's more the good ones. I learned that with mushrooms. When you eat them and you eat a little more than you should oh yeah then

your mind is just going well when you eat a little more than you should you should be alone yeah you should just be alone and relax and think i do that when i'm at a friend's house and i know it's nobody there when my kids are around i use microdose yeah microdosing is good microdosing i think is the future i think a lot of people are going to microdose because it doesn't make your it doesn't affect your cognitive ability in terms of like affect your judgment or affect the way you talk and the way you behave but it it elevates you it's like this is gentle elevation a microdose does and i think you know there's a you aware of Terrence McKenna You know Terrence McKenna? Yeah, the fighter yeah. No no no no no that's Terrence McKinney. Oh yeah yeah yeah

McKinley McKinney? Oh the mushroom guy. Yeah the mushroom guy. Yeah, yeah Terrence McKenna is the guy who has this theory called the stoned ape theory and his brother Dennis is still alive his brother Dennis theory. And his brother Dennis is still alive. His brother Dennis is brilliant. And his brother Dennis is a legitimate scientist and he explained it on the podcast why it makes sense. And the theory is there's a real mystery in the development of the human species. And the mystery is the doubling of the brain

over a period of 2 million years. And it's unprecedented in the fossil record. They've looked at all these different animals and how things changed and evolved, and a lot of things are wild. But to see a brain double in size over a relatively small period of time in terms of the fossil record, 2 million years is not that much time for something to change so radically. And there's all these theories of why the human brain doubled. Some people think it was hunting. It was maybe the throwing arm, learning how to throw things and then developing projectiles and weapons. Some people think that it was eating meat and learning how to cook it and that learning how to cook it made the nutrients more bioavailable

and it made people ingest more protein and then there's this possibility of eating. There's also weird theories and they don't all hold up. You know, they're all theories, but the big one is mushrooms. And it's a real controversial one because first of all the mushrooms is a silly subject to a lot of academics when they start thinking about the possibility of a brain

doubling in size because of what they think of as a party drug the problem is a lot of these guys have never really truly experienced a breakthrough mushroom experience and if you have the best thing you can do well if you have you start you start going, okay, what is this? And what is happening? And maybe this is how human beings develop. Because what McKenna said is that the period that the human brain doubled, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering this, Dennis. The period that the human brain doubled coincides with the period that the rainforest receded into grasslands. So as the climate changed, because, you know, throughout,

I mean, we talk about climate change today, but the climate has changed throughout history too. The climate change today, the man-made climate change is a concern. But what I'm saying is that throughout the history of the earth, there's been radical shifts in the climate. And they resulted in all these changes like the Sahara Desert used to be this great vast grasslands and green filled with trees and shit. Well, at one point in time, the rainforest receded into grasslands and the human beings had to come down from the tree and they weren't human at the time. They were, you know, Australia, Pythagoras and all these other different pre pre-humans and they came down from the trees and they started experimenting with new food

sources and one of the things that they believe happened is they've seen monkeys in the wild they will flip over cow patties and they'll um eat like bugs and worms and different things that are growing underneath this cow shit but on those cow patties is also where mushrooms grow. And they think that they started experimenting with these mushrooms. And the way they describe it is mushrooms in low doses, like just eat a couple, increases visual acuity. So it would make you a better hunter because it makes you see things better. It makes you, like there was a famous, it's kind of like the blur when you like when you touch the camera and it's perfect vision it's almost like that that's what I feel when

I take like the blurriness the fogginess goes away it cleans up they recognize there was there's a study that these guys did I forget what that which scientist it was but they did a study on edge detection. So what they did was they had lines, like parallel lines, and then they moved one slightly. And the people that were on mushrooms could tell before the people that were straight

when the edge detected consistently. And so mushrooms increased visual acuity. They also make you horny. So they made one more likely to breed and they also, uh, in, in enhanced creativity. So they made them better at problem solving and they probably made them better at solving, uh, the, the complex problems of developing tools and weapons and language. The mushrooms enhance the ability to connect sounds to ideas and to express those things. So the idea is that these pre-humans ate these mushrooms

over a period of 2 million years, and their fucking brains grew. That makes sense to me. It does make sense. Everything you say makes sense because when I started taking them, I take younger, like for fun, and I've been taking for the last two years, microdoses, and sometimes I eat a little more

when I'm alone. And your brain shows things like all the pathways that, you know, by stress or, you know, bad food or punches or whatever, you get like the blood don't flow. The micro doesn't make that go. Yeah. And then when you take a little bit and you feel like kind of high, it's when it's actually

working in your brain. So, but it's also caught with what you say is a party drug for ignorant people. Like they're like, oh. Well, it's fun. I mean, I think people, they take it because it's fun i mean i think people they they take it because it's fun and it's not bad to have fun you know and mushrooms even though you're taking it to have fun sometimes people have they learn things from those experiences but i think if you want to be using them correctly you should use them with reverence you should think you know when you're

microdosing that's one thing you're you're taking them it's enhancing your day but if you're going to sit down and really have a trip i think you should do it in a way to set an intention yeah you set an intention and you do it in a way where you you give some respect to what you're about to experience because what you're about to experience is wholly alien it's alien go far alien to this world yeah alien i know what he's saying when you see like the walls close in and change patterns and things flow through and you start to experience entities staring at you from other dimensions you get you get answers and you also have questions when you do that and you start seeing like the apocalyptic doom of the

earth and wild shit and you know yeah do you have but you have seeing like the apocalyptic doom of the earth and wild shit and you know. Yeah. But you have to set an intention. Yeah. If you just do it for fun then you don't learn from it but I smoked DMT

not a while ago and I, you know, I set an intention and I was, I was up there. What was your intention? I literally,

before I smoked it I was like, okay, I want to, I want to be present. I don't want to be focused too much on the outside. Because, you know, when you get a certain point in a fighting career, it's not just fighting.

There's a lot that comes with it. And you've got to know how to handle it. And I was just thinking to myself, I want to be better at this. I want to focus on who I am, not on the outside. I want to be, of course, a better fighter, a better husband, blah, blah, blah. And then I was like, I just want to be better overall. I want to be chill. I want to be happy as I am.

And I just take a rip. And my grandfather that passed away not a while ago was throwing stars at me. Like, he was grabbing the stars and just throw it at my face wow and i was just touching them dodging them and then my friends we did at my friend's warehouse so it's nobody there is like doing it right here we nobody will come it was all dark and they have a bunch of wild paintings around these guys like he's who provided my mushrooms who provide my my wit sometimes cbd everything so these guys is in that world so all the paint is all like the kind of like tie-dye painting you know when they're like mixing up

like the trippy pictures yeah when i was going in the elevator up i was going like on circles up like a like like a rocket. And all these fucking colors, colors I've never seen in my life. It was just like, boom. And then when I get to the room, they call it the room, right? When you get up there. Yeah. It was like looking at this roof, like stars, all black, and just little dots.

And then I didn't saw my grandfather face, but it's almost like, okay, you there. And he just was laughing and throwing stars at me, just laughing. And they told me before I came back, I was laughing like a baby, like a little kid. It was awesome. And when I came back,

it just gives me that like calmness. Like, I don't know. It just helps in a way. It helps in some strange way. It also makes regular life seem so bland. It is. In comparison to that world. It calms your anxiety.

People get so trapped in little thoughts, on little daily things. Yeah. That sometimes they're, like, having the biggest problem in their life out of nothing. Right. Out of nothing. Out of nothing. I'm like, people are so focused

on what somebody says or reading comments or traveling. Like, this picture of my friend have more legs. I'm like, no.

Yeah, that's a problem, man. The social media problem. It's huge. It's so bad for your brain. I made a decision quite a while ago to stop reading comments. It's a big job bad for your brain i made a decision quite a while ago to stop reading comments yeah it's made it's made a big impact on me man i'm gonna tell you one time

myself in the last few years i don't read at all like if my friends like if i see a friend of mine or somebody i admire putting something makes me happy but I'm not digging to see who says something bad or who says something about my skill it's gone and I you know what you feel free I'm not doing it to look like somebody else it's just the more authentic you are the more you are yourself yeah there's nothing better than that no there's nothing better than that and when you start thinking about what other people are saying and other people are saying about you And what their opinions are it it fucks with your own? perceptions because it changes how you behave and think because you're thinking about their opinions and

Sometimes their criticism is valid. I'm not Dismissing that the criticism is not valid, but if you take in too much of that over and over again there's too much noise it's not good like I know when I and I'm sure you do too you're an intelligent person and you're also a dedicated person who is hell-bent on becoming better when you're that person you're always objective and trying to or at and trying to be objective and analyzing. That's why you said, like, I want to be a better husband. I want to be a better father.

I want to be a better fighter. That should be all of our intent. Whatever you're trying to do in life, you should always be trying to get better at it. Because as a human, we're flawed and weird and messy. That's your foundation. Yeah, and your chemicals in your brain, they shift constantly and you're not always exactly the same person. I'm a different person all the time.

I'm a different person if I haven't had sleep. I'm a different person if I'm under stress. I'm a different person if I haven't worked out. And all those things also happen. It's like how you handle those things is what makes you get to the finish line. Yeah, but you can't take in too much external opinions. You can't. you have to be

able to know whether you're fucking up and how to get better and that's exactly what separate you from the crowd if you know that if you get to like know yourself that much that you know what's real and what's just cloud yeah it would take you way longer and i always see people around me i'm like hey like somebody like friends of mine or people close to me that love me, they get mad about what people say. I'm like, hey, the moment you get mad, they're winning. Like you're giving it the chance to make sense. You have to live your life, be happy where you are, the way you have,

and always work for more and for better, but for yourself. Not for no one else. Yeah. Not for no one else. Yeah, not for no one else. Because that will put you aside from anything. I have some friends that lose their fucking mind when people are talking shit about them. When somebody here says something like, oh, but they're saying that about me. When I'm in the car, I'm like, yo, yo, yo, yo. No, no, no, no.

Forget about it. And then you're basically saying that to them. And I'm like, yeah, listen to him. Don't pay attention to that. You can't. You can't. You just can't. Well, it, forget about it. And then you're basically saying that to them. And I'm like, yeah, listen to him. Don't pay attention to that. You can't. You can't. You just can't. Well, it's a new thing.

It's like normal for people. Like you find out a friend of yours is talking shit about you. You want to go confront him in the real world. Like, why are you talking shit about me, man? I thought we were friends. Like, you want to know where you stand with this person. Right. But for people you don't even know talking shit about you, that's normal.

Yeah. That's what people do man if i was online at 15 i would be talking shit about everybody my if you would be sending everybody pictures of my dick if you see my twitter when i was 15 year old oh my god holy shit everybody everybody i was never a fan of soccer ever and equities huge in soccer i will go on twitter and see say the meanest shit to soccer players and I was laughing I was I was I was smoking with my friends right he got mad we make soccer players delete the accounts on how much shit we talk fuck you and I kill you the fucking loser then I'm like not I I'm a grown-up and I'm like if I see her comment I'm like I got a thick skin

so it's like it don't bug me nobody has it but if you don't have it at least be smart enough don't pay attention well you have a thick skin because you've been

getting in fights since you were four I got a like I would I never been mad any for a fight

or for somebody else if we're like this close and you say something that I don't like, I probably punch you in the face. Has there ever been a fighter that like leading up to a fight has pissed you off? Never. Really? I fought the biggest idiot out there, O'Malley. He was talking a lot.

O'Malley, Sean. But that's his thing though. I know. Exactly. You know that that's how he became famous. Him and Conor McGregor. His talent and all the shit talking and the personality. I know, exactly. You know that that's how he became famous. Him and Conor McGregor. His talent and all the shit-talking and the personality. It's like Kobe.

He's just a persona. Yeah. Every time I see a fighter that is mad, I'm like, you fucking idiot. Like, you don't even deserve to win at that point. If you get mad before the fight, in my opinion, you don't deserve to win. Like, I just don't give a shit what you think, what you say. When people ask me on interviews, how do you see your next fight going?

I don't make it too hard to say, I want to fuck him up. I want to run through him. That's it. Yeah. And then when somebody talks shit about me or say like this and that, I'm like, and they ask me, you know, how media works.

Hey, he said you're slow. I'm like, cool. You will see fight night. I just don't get bugged by things. And when I fought him, I really believe he was trying to get under my head, like corner that.

Of course. And I was just like, good luck with that, buddy. I'm like, you can beat me. You can be a better fighter. I don't know that until we compete. We don't know that. It's almost like

sometimes cock and confidence is a fine line that you confuse. I'm confident in my skill. I know how hard I work. I know I sacrifice everything I possibly can. So I'm like, if you say I suck, cool. If you say I'm good, like when they're too friendly or too mean, I don't accept neither one. Because I'm like, we're in a fight, bro.

This is not like let's bow to each other. Fuck off. It's a fucking fight. Right, right, right. Sometimes when I see fighters hugging each other before the fight, I'm like, might as well suck each other's dick at this point. I'm like, we're going to get in a fist fight. Did you see Jeff Neal versus Santiago?

I know, he drives me crazy. Well, what was crazy was Saif Saoud, his coach, was yelling at him in between the corners. He's like, stop dapping him up. He's not your fucking friend. I was watching on my phone. I think they liked each other before they fought. They're both great guys. It's part of the problem.

I know one personally, Santiago. We do the broadcast in Spanish. Great guy. Yeah, but guess what? Everybody's a Great guy. Yeah. But guess what? Everybody's a great guy. Yeah. Even Colby on his persona. He's a nice guy.

Yeah, Colby Covington in real life is a great guy. I talked to him in New York. Soft spoken. Like, Cameron Hensley is that. Yeah. Great guy. I shake his hand. I was like, fuck, dude.

I was like, you're very nice. And he was laughing. I was talking shit on that. And he was just laughing at me. And I was wearing pink shoes. And he's like, oh, yeah, coming from the guy with pink shoes, huh? And I was like, I was talking shit on that. And he was just laughing at me. And I was wearing pink shoes. And he's like, oh, yeah, coming from the guy with pink shoes, huh? And I was like, yeah, you're nice. But they're just personas.

But when you are in the cage. He developed that persona. He was a little forced to. But whatever. We all know that. But it's like, in the fight, in the center of the cage, I want to kill you. Right. But I'm not out of my head.

I'm not mad. It's just my you. Right. But I'm not out of my head. I'm not mad. It's just my job. Right. You have an objective. I got to provide for my kids, and that's the way I bring the bread to my home. So, like, the shake hands, I leave it for after the fight, not even for before.

After the fight, win, lose, or draw, hey, good job. I didn't shake Sonia Dawn's hands because I was pretty rough in that fight, so I said, fuck you. But I think I was on my right to do that. Which fight? When I fought Sonia Dawn. Why didn't you? Oh, that was a fucking bad, rough decision.

Oh, right, right. So that's when he came to shake my hand, I was like, ah, fuck you, we'll probably run it back later. For now, you're not my friend. But I just keep it like that. Some people don't like it, some people like it.

That's a rough one, man. Those bad decisions are fucking, they're criminal. It's a real problem. I think that's another thing the UFC should employ is more judges, you know? Oh, the judges they have now.

Well, it's not just the judges suck. The judges suck sometimes, like some of the judges. Really, it's like when you go to local places, you go to small regional places that don't have a lot of experience. Sometimes, yeah. Because I do the commentary in Spanish and I'm like, most of the fights I know who won the fight. Right.

And then when they go 30, 27, they're away. I'm like, bro. Right. How's that happen? Like I remember when you were asking the lady, you know what a triangle shock is? And she's like like just walk away yeah i was like they don't like for example if somebody like how you think about this if let's see i take somebody down right and i just hold that person i'm working on holding them right but the person of on barn is throwing every submission he can and he's

eating me with elbows yeah who won the round the guy on the bottom it should be it should be right it should be more damage put you in more danger if you just hold it like if you're on top kabibing people right you're winning you won right but if you're just holding right i'm like how you won the round yeah that's not enough but i also don't believe in stand-ups no i mean people get mad at me like no no it's a sport i'm with you yeah if you want to get up get up and then the even the fans oh boo fuck you fuck you fuck you go watch baseball exactly that loser that has been hauled up in the cage he don't know how to get out yeah so let him lose like that well it's a part of the sport and i feel like if a wrestler can take you down and rub his

nuts all over your face for five minutes good for him good for him that's what he's doing but there is also that rule of standing up or or telling you like you're not doing right it's basically creating excuses for the low-level guy not able to escape well they're trying to make it more fan-friendly but Jesus Christ there's not a more fan-friendly sport in the world the fist fighting yeah you watch a person doesn't have to know anything about fighting they can watch the UFC and be like

holy shit holy shit they can't believe how crazy it is all their sports for hours yeah and that shit is boring

oh did you find Joey Diaz talking about I absolutely did not it's on his it's on his Instagram Matt Flavors World it's on his Twitter either what yeah you World. It's not on his Twitter either.

What? Yeah, I mean. Was it a story or something? I don't know. I saw it. And it's not there. I repost one. I don't know if he said the movie or something. There's only like four posts up from the last two weeks.

You might have taken it down or something. I have no idea. Oh, Instagram with its rules. Oh, my God. Instagram take it down? I typed it in. It's not popping up. No one else reposted it.

I don't know. I said once, stay hard. And I got my thing pulled off. Stay hard? Yeah. else reposted it I don't know I said once Stay hard And I got my thing pulled off Stay hard? Yeah That's David Goggins I know I know

I always Stay hard got you pulled down? Yeah I was like What are you guys doing? The fucking censorship Is so crazy It's so

It's so wrong It's so It's so fucking Screwy But then when you post a reel With a rap song And the rap song is saying Yeah They don't pull that out They don't pull that out But stay hard is bad Yeah screwy but then when you post a reel with a rap song and the rap song is saying yeah

they don't pull that out they don't pull that out but Stay Hard is bad every time David posts something I just put Stay Hard Stay Hard

on everything he put and then they said like your comment might be pulled up and I'm like what are you talking about well that's one thing

the wokesters have not done they have not targeted rap yet yeah right they leave that shit alone they should they better especially old school rap the good one oh my god like go listen to some 90s Wu-Tang Clan didn't rap yet yeah right they leave that shit alone they should it better especially all the

school rap the good one oh my god like go listen to some 90s wu-tang clan or fucking cool g-rap like oh yeah yeah oh my god that's the greatest that's a good rap man i fucking love that dude i know but uh wu-tang clan is what i listen to on the way to the show every time on the way to a show we listen to wu-tang clan we have like a what I listen to on the way to the show. Every time on the way to a show, we listen to Wu-Tang Clan. We have like a playlist we listen to. Protect Your Neck is always first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. They're not fucking around.

Gravel Pit. Yeah, we listen to all that shit on the way to shows. Yeah. But it just like gets you going. There's something. I'm a 90s rap fan. I love all kinds of music, but. LL Cool G.

There's something about 90s rap to me that's like it was it's also the excitement of the era because the whole art form was only like you know 15 years old at the time right it was so new the whole art form was so new like i remember when i was a kid i was in i think i was in seventh or eighth grade and uh someone was playing sugar hill gang in the cafeteria and i was like what is that this is crazy what is this it was a hip hop a hibbity the hibbity hip hop and i was like this is wild this is getting your head yeah it was a new kind of music and you and make you dance yeah but it was it was also a recognition like oh this is a new thing that's happening there's a new trend and then i also remember I was on a fucking elliptical machine,

and the first time I heard NWA, I was like, like, what? What are they saying? Like, you go listen to NWA. Go listen to some early NWA, and you're like, I can't believe this was legal. Yeah, all the shit they say. Even the fuck the police when they come

hard on that one oh yeah the cops were coming to the fucking shows to stop it yeah i know it's crazy that but there was a it was a change of i mean there's the the gangster rap was always awesome a big ice tea fan as well and like i said i'm a giant ghetto boys fan but it was also there was just a change of the whole musical culture because of 90s rap oh yeah it changed everything daddy can't oh my god big daddy came was the shit i listen all the school shit yeah today's stuff kumo d i go to work yeah no gangstar like the old schools are the ones yeah i'm a gangsta. I'm a giant gangsta fan.

But it's like there's eras in time where things just changed. And, like, I'm a big fan of 60s rock, 1960s rock and rolls. Like, something happened, man. Something happened in the 60s. And it, like, went deep into the 70s, but there was a change in what rock was. And it was in the 60s. That's what I love.

I love those eras. I love eras of great change. Yeah, the rock and roll back then was real. I'm not into much rock and roll, but even if you listen to a rock and roll from that time, you're like, okay, that is rock and roll. It was rock and roll. My God. My God. Listen to some 1960s Jimi Hendrix.

My God. You saw my jacket? Oh, what do you got on there? That's fucking... Ah! That's Jimi right there. Oh, that's badass. Oh, nice.

Who did that? Where'd you get that done? My friend, Mark Ovo, he make all these patches, and he just patch my stuff instead of one glove. Where'd you get that done? My friend, Mark Oboe, he make all these patches. And he just patch my stuff instead of one glove. So he's an artist from Ruka, too. And he patched my jackets and put some cool shit in there. I got to show you this new Hendrix piece that I got that's in the back that I got from Park City.

God, what is the artist's name? I don't remember his name. Is Joey talking about during his podcast? I see him talking about the fights. He put this out yesterday. Yes. This part's all about gambling, though. I don't know if he specifically talked about that fight. Is it after the fight?

So he did like an ad, and he's talking about how he gambled during the fights. I don't know if this is- Well, he starts talking about Juliana Pena and Spanish women. That's what I don't know. How he doesn't say Spanish women Juliana Pena and Spanish women. How does he say Spanish women? There you go. That's it. That's it. That's it. You'll probably be taken down. Give me some volume.

If you put $600 down on Juliana Pena, you win $600. So again, my little junkie mind went into work, and I'm like, wait a second. You spend $20 on worse things. Like there's worse things you do with $20.

You picket gamble, whatever the fuck. You ever been walking around and you're like, I'll get that. It's just $13. $13 is $13 fucking bucks. But I'm sitting there and I go, what the fuck? What's $25 on Juliana Pena? You know what? And then I thought of something else.

Why don't I date Spanish women? Because I'm scared of them. I've always been scared of Spanish women. Let's get this shit out in the open right now. Always. Since I'm a kid, my mother was Spanish. And I'm like, you know what? Do I really want to marry that?

No. No. No. No, never. No, no, no, no. I didn't listen to that before I got married to my wife. We show the best up there in heaven. Can't wait to see you. But you know what? No, no, no.

Love Spanish women. Have a lot of fucking friends that are Spanish women. They'd take a bullet for you. But if you want peace of mind, I can't date a Spanish woman. When you're spanish i can't date a spanish woman i leave that to the jews and the italians you guys love spanish women help yourself don't come crying to me when you have an iron buried in your fucking skull don't come crying to me all right so i'm like fucking that was a full special right here i gotta go with juliana. Just for the small 25. You know what I'm saying?

Joey Diaz luck. First minute, she gets knocked down. I'm like, what else is new? This is the story of my life. I'm a bum then and I'm a bum now. I'm watching this fight. And all of a sudden, Julianna, she gets her in another thing again. Then Julianna gets out with a fucking Kimura.

Then the round ends. I'm like, like what the is going on this isn't bad and all of a sudden second round juliana went in there and laid a ass whipping an ass whipping i gotta be honest here brought tears to my eyes i was so happy for that venezuelan chick because like that's why and dog when she choked her, I go, to myself, I go, now you know why I don't date Spanish women. They're my friends. I love them to death.

They're my fucking, you know, I go to war, I'm taking three little chubby Spanish women and I'll take my chances. Fuck you motherfuckers. Three little Mexican tanks, a little Cuban chick that's got big tits and a little gut.

That chick hasn't eaten in two days. She'll take your eye out. I'm not fucking around. So I was so happy for Julia. I even put it, this fight was tremendous on Twitter. I was fucking ecstatic. So that's how I felt last night. I won like, I don't know, one something, 200 bucks on a $25 fucking thing.

And guess what? I'm going to lose it all on Sunday in football anyway. So who gives a fuck? Nah. I'm going to hold on to it. The bowl season's coming. Joey does a lot of gambling. I think he's got a gambling sponsor.

Is that a gambling sponsor? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how he got into that. And that's why I was trying to dig through it. I didn't know if he went. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I used to, my uh partner my friend uh aubrey from on it we used to uh i stopped gambling on fights because i just like i'm like i don't think

this is right like because i'd be calling the fights but i'd be gambling on yeah it's kind of weird it's kind of weird and uh so i said also you're free to do it too i think it's legal but i was like it seems unethical so i'm not going to do it because I think it's legal. But I was like, it seems unethical. So I'm not going to do it anymore. Because you work in the UFC. Yes, because I'm calling the fight. I don't want to sound biased because I want someone to win because I got $100 on them. I don't gamble at all. But what Aubrey would do is he would gamble.

And so I would tell him. Everybody tells me who I pick. And I go, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Because most of my picks are right. Most of my picks are right. I would have lost on the Juliana Pena-Amanda Nunes fight. In those fights?

This weekend. That one I didn't see coming. Those are way too one side. Yeah. What was supposed to happen? Just run through here? The thing is, one thing I did say leading up to the fight, as they were getting ready, I said, you have to think of all the times where someone's underestimated someone.

You can never underestimate an opponent. You can't go into a fight not nervous. You can't go into a fight completely sure that you're going to win when that other person is hungry and scared. Because weird things happen when people underestimate people. Everything happened in fighting. Everything everything they fuck that was nuts and that what I saw as a fan from the outside the first wrong the first calf kick make her fly yeah but we know that part she's a strong she's bigger we all know that part yeah but then everything comes in the other side if you if you Lena was

mentally said you know prepare to die fuck you I'm gonna take this from you the moment you take the first couple punches and the ko guy don't stop you yeah we said through the years every time Connor couldn't stop somebody what happened he got a stop sometimes the second fight with Nate he survived didn't wind up beating him but even though he didn't stop him he don. But it don't happen all the time, but it was ready for that fight. Yeah. But when you are relying on yourself, like, okay, I'm going to stop you quick. You're thinking you're only going to KO somebody.

Good luck with that. Well, the thing that I was watching in the first round, when Juliana had the Kimura, when she's threatening with the Kimura at the end of the round, I was like, ooh, that looks serious. And and she kept doing it she kept going to it i'm like look as long as this fight is on the ground in that kind of situation juliana is very dangerous and if she can tire amanda out if there's a way to do it that's the way to do it yeah i didn't saw that coming either like i can lie until like, I knew she would punch her in the face and make her slow down.

But when they were exchanging punches, you can tell how much Amanda was charging. And when you charge, you get way more tired. Yeah, she was swinging for the fences. She was trying to take her out quick. And then when Juliana was still there, you could tell she was fucking tired. For you to be a world champion in two divisions and universally recognized as the greatest woman fighter of all time, which Amanda is,

it's unexcusable to be that tired in the second round. Unexcusable. And just standing in front of her, just swinging in front of her, no movement side to side, standing right in front of her like you're watching a regional fight. But that's

when you know how mental is the game yeah you can have all the technique all the power the moment you doubt yourself and you take a step backwards you're fucked you're fucked you're fucked that's why i take i take more care of what goes through my mind than how much conditional training i can do yeah because you can take you can go way longer if your mind like david gogan was talking about it in those moments you're about to quit and your mind is trapped in that thought that i'm gonna quit if you just tell yourself i'm gonna go through hell i'm gonna fuck you up that thing is reversible yeah but you have to want it you have to want it that's why chlton was saying something that i don't agree it was like he was basically saying like i don't really think um that that that was caused because uh juliana it was more quitting one side but that

quitting was caused for the duck and the other person too it was caused by juliana yeah juliana made her quit she didn't just quit on her own you got to give juliana all the credit a hundred but that's what when i heard that this morning i was like wait a minute you're not saying that i get it she's the goat for one loss don't take your title away right but that loss take your title away for sure like the belt it don't take the title of the goat for all the achievement you have you're ko cyber right all the people you beat you keep that but she make you quit you don't quit on your own yeah she made her quit but the way she quit was

crazy that joke wasn't on choke wasn't on at all it was on the chin right it was see let's find the let's find the choke find the uh the submission i'll tell you one thing you don't need the you don't need the hooks to put somebody in conscious but you need to get under the chin oh that thing was that thing wasn't even there. It was like this, right? Yeah, it was nothing. But, you know, look, you can get that fulcrum choke like what Khabib did to Conor if you get the forearm on the back and you crank the neck.

But that requires a lot of strength. That wasn't what was going on. That was an excuse. No, she was just like, you know what? I want to live another day. Well, she was like she was exhausted. I come back. I come back next time. Yes, wrong Which I? Think myself like this if you do that once You will do it again. Well, you know that is what Juliana said leading up to the fight

Juliana said I'm gonna bring her back to what it was like when she was younger and she would quit. A couple of fights she did at the beginning. Yeah. Well, there was fights where she got exhausted and she kind of like lost her way. And then she became the greatest of all time. And it's wild to see the difference. I think it's too close to the pay-per-view time.

All the videos I'm looking at are just pictures. Oh, no. Find it on my Instagram. I have the video on my Instagram the UFC lets me slide They let me you should post shit on this look. It's only promotion. It's only helping is yeah It's no one wants to help the UFC more than I do. I just can't control the video there You can't control it. I can only hit stop and oh, it's okay. Just show it to us Just show it to us. Yeah, because that joke was like it wasn't even so here

It is this listen to the volume too because we're going crazy me and dc were going nuts i love it i was watching that you guys were screaming exactly what she said she was gonna do that jab look at that jab in that right hand look at amanda look at. Yeah, she don't have her feet under her. Oh, my goodness. She's so tired. Her base is gone. Listen to this. John Anik, the only professional.

When you say that, I was cranking out. See? Yeah now here it is her eyes are gone too looks like it's under the chin it's under the chin but it's not like not deep no

not deep did you see some guys getting off some deep chokes before yeah because they have the fight on it yeah she was like

I live another day. Yeah. Well, I mean, Dustin. I mean, Oliveira had to keep adjusting on Dustin before he finally got it. That was deep. That was deep. The moment he tapped, but might as well, if he did, he just got asleep. He went behind the head.

You know, he hid the hand behind the head, and he got that ultimate leverage, too, from that. Yeah. That was, Charles Oliveira is a bad motherfucker. He is a bad motherfucker. Yeah. That was, that was, Charles Oliveira is a bad motherfucker. He is a bad motherfucker. Yeah. The only thing that I was thinking about it, without pulling the glove,

you wouldn't end on top. Yes, true. That was a cheap move. So it's like, remember when, when Chad Mendes was about to suplex Aldo in the very first fight

and he grabbed the fence and he got KO'd right after, that would change a lot. Changes everything. Because the grapple was full on deep and that made him roll to end on his back. And that round he took a lot of damage. Yep. So it's like, if that would be a judge and be like, hey, stop. Right, stop. One point.

I think they should take a point off every time someone pokes an eye, every time someone kicks them in the nuts, every time someone grabs a fence. Doesn't matter if it's- Just take a phone off. They'll stop doing it. Everyone will stop doing it. The moment you're like, you barely touch somebody and you get a point deducted- If you're doing this shit all the time, just keep these motherfuckers closed.

The thing is, guys with the big gloves in Muay Thai style, they're doing this all the time. They're motherfuckers closed the thing is guys with the big gloves in muay thai style you know they're doing this all the time they're doing this you can't do that you can't do that close your fucking hands if if you if you know for a fact you will get a point deducted 100 legally or illegally or like intentionally you know you go fucking like this. How about Jillian Robertson and Priscilla Cachueda? Caw that, bitch. Cachueda's putting her fucking thumb in her eyeball. What the fuck was that? I caught her and sent her to Yale, bro.

Bro, she should be cut. That is horrible. That's terrible cheating. That's terrible cheating. I said you should be cut by now. I mean, I don't generally say say that but that is terrible cheating have you seen that jamie yeah i have this i have this on i tweeted a couple days ago i have this for sure saved i have it saved as a close-up i don't tweet much and i and i put that thing on it that's

horrible you you literally can't do that you you will blind someone i mean imagine if you got like what happened to Bisping. Will you lose a fucking eye because of that? Here, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because I've got a close-up of it because this is so nasty. Oh, here. This is the worst. Here.

Here, I'm going to send it to him right now. This is that. What I sent you is like a super close-up, like very close-up. It's so bad. It's terrible. And Jillian was fucking her up. She got her on the ground. She was landing some good ground and pound.

She got her back. Now look at this. Look at this, man. That thumb is deep in the fucking eyeball. I mean, and she did it twice. She literally- She keeps trying. Oh, my God.

She did it twice she literally keeps trying oh my god she did it twice she literally looked for her eye and stuck her thumb in the eye that's you can't do that you can't do that you gotta go that's unacceptable watch this look at this finding the eyeball look at that shit bro that is so crazy that is so crazy finding the eyeball and that is a blatant foul i mean it's not just a blatant foul it's fucking cheating it's worse than steroids yeah if you're taking steroids you get cut for two years i agree you're doing that same done same thing get the fuck out of here you can't do that you you could ruin someone's eyeball. You could ruin her eyeball for life when she She square fair and square

Defeated you she got herself in a better position She submitted you you were about to tap and you stuck your fucking thumb in her eyeball I was going off when I was watching life. I was on my wife was like what's going on? I was like this fucking bitch is like did you know the other chick? I'm like I don't need to know her horrible That's fucking awful. You don't do that. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. That's unacceptable.

Horrible. That is unacceptable. It's one of the worst examples of blatant cheating I've ever seen. Yeah. A bad loser. You don't... Yeah. Fucking fight is over.

Not only that, miss weight. I watched the whole thing with the second thing, the second look where she does it. It makes it even worse. Oh. She did it again. Yeah, look at the referee. He's not even stopping her from doing that, man. This is the first time.

If I'm the referee, I start punching her. She is just fucking blatantly 100% cut her. Cut her. Get the fuck out of here. If I'm the referee, I will punch her right there. God damn. Look, I know people get crazy when they're losing. They get desperate.

They do wild shit and they regret it afterwards. I don't give a fuck. You can't do that. You can ruin someone's eyesight for the rest of their life doing shit like that. One thing is talking shit. One thing is saying fuck you in the cage. That's just crossing any fucking line you can ever have. You're not.

I mean, like, as a person who is doing this for a living, you know there are certain things that can happen to you that can ruin your life. And that's one. You can lose your eyesight. That's one of those. I was losing it when I saw that. I was like, holy fuck. You do that, you're done forever. Not just in the UFC.

Yeah. You should be gone. You're not fighting. Yeah, no one should want to hire you after that. I mean, there's guys who have lost sight legitimately. Nick Lentz has also lost, I think he said something like 40% of his sight in one of his eyes. Holy shit. Yeah.

Just from regular fights. Michael wasn't an epochoc but that was a kick somebody that wasn't all the juice on planet earth all the juice all all of it even borrowed from other countries everything he juicy vitor though is one of my favorite fighters to watch but it was it was it was a sketch it's but i think juicy vitor should be fighting in like one fc or something like that where they let him be juicy. Yeah, go fight heavyweights or skinny guys or probably FC times. Where everybody's juicy. Yeah, go fuck around there.

But Juicy Vitor in the UFC fucked so many people. Yeah, he fucked a lot of people up, man. Goddamn, but he was so scary. He was so confident. Of course he was confident. Juicy Vitor was just throwing wheel kicks at Luke Rockhold and shit. In his UFC debut he received him

my boy Luke but you saw how hard Luke was trying to get him back yeah like the 3 or 4 fights after he he kept beating people

he was calling Vitor the UFC was like no bro he's good leave it alone well that was after the TRT so when Vitor

got off the TRT then everybody was like oh Give me that fight. Give me that fight. Well Chris Weidman got that fight Chris Why did my life fuck out of Vitor and that was post TRT? That's car Vitor's it is you pay the price for that Vitor's whole body had deflated It was crazy to see like there was no it was nothing left It was like a balloon where the air had been let out of it it was mushy in in south america they put air through the asshole of the chickens to make it look bigger

and sell it for a couple bucks extra it looked like the air was gone you know when you when you kill the chicken to eat it right they shrink up and you pay like five bucks more for that shit but it was basically that it was a balloon deflated. Well, it was worse than that, you know, because his ability was just so much superior to what it would be without that stuff. But the thing about these guys, like the TRT was legal. Yeah. So it was like they were just. It's almost like you're not a real bad person.

You were taking advantage of the system. You were taking advantage of the system. You definitely get a wild card for that. But still. there was also a bunch of people that were doing it and the way they were cheating was they were getting trt exemptions because they had taken steroids so the thing about the steroids is if you take the steroids then you're ending yeah your body stops producing testosterone so they get tested and they go go, oh, he has, like, low testosterone. He needs a testosterone use exemption. But you need it because you've been cheating your whole life.

Exactly. And there was a lot of those guys that had been cheating from the jump. I always say this. I prefer to lose 100 fights than win one by cheating, by any means. Yeah. My only, you know, by any means, like any little advantage you take. Right. Even if you have a doctor that tell you like, if you mix this with that and being legal,

it's still cheating. Right. Should be hard training, good recovery. Yeah. And a lot of fucking huevos. Yeah. A lot of huevos. Yeah.

That's important. Yeah. It's very important. And brain too, you know. Toughness takes you somewhere. Right. And after that, you need a brain that functions. Well, to be a champion, brain to you know toughness take you somewhere right and after that you need a brain that function Well to be a champion, I believe you need all those things you need the mind you need the discipline you need genetics

You need hard training you need discipline. They always are closing then the higher you go in the rankings Everything is getting tired. If you want to be Kamaru Usman, you gotta have everything Yeah, you gotta have everything and you've got to have everything. Yeah. You've got to have everything. And he has everything. He has everything. That's why he's a champion.

That's why he's a champion. He's got fantastic genetics. He's got a bulletproof mind. He's got fantastic technique, training, discipline, everything. And he seems like he's generally a hard fucking worker. He's not fucking around. He's a super nice guy, too. Really, really, really nice guy. I talked to him after the fight in new york and i say congrats seems pretty nice guy he's a great

guy you know his knees are fucked up which is great and he's open about it you know he tells her he's like i'll still fuck you up my knees are trash but i'll still fuck you up but in thailand there's a lot of people that have no ac. Really? It's okay. In Thailand? I heard about it. Like, bro, like, I forget the name of the guy. I know him through a friend. And he's like, yeah, he's gone. No ACLs.

And he just fight. Like, those guys don't have PTs. They tell him, like, hey, bro, your elbow's swollen. They fight every weekend. Right. It's just lifestyle for them. Well, I don't think Usman has a problem with his ACLs. It's his cartilage.

It's just gone. All his meniscus is trashed. It's all bone on bone. What do you think about the guy that you had here before the More Plates, More Date telling everybody how Usman is on everything? I'm like, oh, shit. It's hard to believe. I didn't see that video.

I've seen his video on Jon Jones, and I've seen his video on Paulo Costa. Jon was mad about it. I'm sure he was. Yeah, he was so mad. I'm sure. But Jon's tested positive. Couple times. Couple times.

I mean, this is his, you know, he's explaining. The thing about it is, at least according to Derek, when Derek from More Dates talks about it, what he's saying is there's thresholds, like there's acceptable thresholds, and you can manipulate your hormones and still fall within these acceptable thresholds, and that USADA has some holes in the way they collect data. I believe 100%.

If you have some money you're going to spend there, you can find a way to do it. What he was also talking about was the fact that John had low testosterone, but he had this in his system. And he said a lot of times when a fighter has very low testosterone, but they also have tested something in their system, he goes, it's indicative of someone that's trying to get off of something now i don't know if that's true yeah i don't know i don't know i'm not a chemist i'm not a biologist but like i was i i do like to research and read about it and and then the usman papa was like don't tell me that about this guy when i had it when i had it like right here like that's the fucking guy to follow like don't tell me that

about i don't know if it's true i don't it could be genetics it could i mean look francis is all genetics francis and gano that's all genetics man yeah but also that's that's for that's for real for over many years digging like a motherfucker he was on the fucking shovel yeah that's that's that's a long as a young boy yeah yeah his body developed digging sand. When I saw him on MSG, I was a little drunk already. I was drinking whiskey right after the fight. And I saw him for a while. I was like, fucking Francis, bro.

And I started grabbing him. I'm like, you're fucking huge. Hey, how big is your dick? Tell me when to stop. Tell me. And he's like, you very funny brother. I was like, tell me. Stop, stop, stop.

And I was grabbing him. I'm like, are you fucking real? But I got like, tell me, stop, stop, stop. And I was grabbing him, I'm like, are you fucking real? But I got like six shots of whiskey in my head already. He was, he was trying to laugh, but he's a pretty decent guy. He don't fuck around too much.

And I was like, Francis, holy shit, dude. I ride so many horses. No one is as hard as you already. He was like, trying to laugh. What do you think about his

fight with seo gone that's a serious fight that's a serious fight that's after kain era this is the best fight of the of history you know we can say that because when kain was champion there's some fucking great fights i think this is a new era like like the new Cain Velasquez against Junior Dos Santos. That motherfucker can move like a lightweight. Yeah. Well, Cain had the kind of cardio that only exists in lower weight classes, but he has it as a heavyweight. It didn't even make any sense.

His cardio was crazy. He was able to throw head kicks, move side to side. Everything. He did everything. The way he moved with his boxing was like, holy shit. When he was in his prime and here's the thing about primes like people

when people talk about the greatest of all time I put Kane in that category I don't know who's the greatest of all time I don't know

if it's Fedor I don't know if it's Kane I don't know if it's Stipe yes they all of them it doesn't exist

people get so full on their weekends like they're looking for one person yeah and they get full on their weekends like let's say this weekend

Conor fights and won they put him right there i'm like guys before connor jose aldo was the goat yep before jose aldo you know there's always like in times like gsp right in his time right a favor like there's always exactly yeah i'm favorite is way before aldo yep so you put them on the line. And maybe before favor, there was one guy in King of the Ketchups. I don't know his name right now, but there's always like a guy. Right. On his time.

Right. So there's a goat for each decade, for each era. Yeah. When they try to like... This guy delete all of them. He's like, no, calm down. Like Mighty Mouse should be up there. Yes.

That motherfucker was invincible for a long time. He was unstoppable. When he threw a ray bar with a soup that's in the armbar. And then caught the armbar on the ground. Oh, my God. You better make a statue of that little motherfucker than that. You know what I'm saying? Yes.

They have a statue for Rocky Balboa. I know. I'm not George Foreman. Put fucking Mighty Mouse wherever the fuck he lives. I know, right? But it's like, I just feel but it's like I just feel like it's like an illusion it's like a cloud

every weekend there's something cooler happen than the weekend before yes and people get so full

and I also think that's how fighters get fucked in the head because when they win on Saturday night they think this lasts forever right

but it fucking too is it the only people that remember that is your fucking mom your your coach, and probably you. Then the people look forward to the next fight. Right. So, you know, Saturday night, awesome.

You won. Cool. You celebrate. Monday morning. That's why I say Monday morning. I go back to the horse. You know, you keep thinking forward because that's in the past already. Yep.

And that's also happened with the rankings, with the new GOATs. I'm like, calm down, guys. The next weekend, you go, oh, we found a new GOAT. No, asshole. It's the same GOAT. When one champion loses, he doesn't lose all his world titles before. He loses one fight.

Right. But how we are set with the media and with the MMA and with the mma and with the rankings it's all wrong yeah it's when you start talking about greatest of all time and you talk about like pound for pound best that's those two arguments get real weird like there's sometimes there's a clear guy like anderson silva in his prime was the career the clear goat do not move that guy from that list. No, you can't remove him

because of the later fights. When he was fighting in London, holy shit, that fucking elbow coming from the front. Yeah, Tony Fricklin, yeah.

Yeah, but that's the one thing. These idiots that make all these things, they don't really watch MMA. They're Saturday night junkies. They're eating popcorn. Oh,

that's a goat. No, eat it. You gotta watch a little bit more like get yourself a little more into it like read a little more

there's more than just what happened on that Saturday night yeah and it's so easy to forget like BJ Penn on his prime

mm-hmm good lord that motherfucker was good oh my god it was amazing he fought a little past his prime

and now hurt me because I know him personally I love him but people that don't know him they just remember the last four fights yeah gsp on his prime nobody like he never really lost when he was on his prime besides the mad her mad serra and mad huge fight but after that the way he dominated, he was taking down wrestlers that no one takes down at will. And he had so many fights, man. When he took two years off, or how many years off did he take before he fought Bisping? Four years off. Four years off and then fought Bisping.

And came back and beat a legitimate world champion in Bisping. And did it finally. It was a final solution. It was a clear solution. Like that. I mean, it was clear cut. He submitted him and put him to sleep. And after he have a first round that he was eating elbows from top, like Michael Bisping,

fuck him up from the bottom. And then he came back. Wearing the storm and still put him in. And the way he sing the fucking choke when he went around and joke, I was like... Amazing. Well, his jujitsu got better. Yes.

Because he kept training. He trains all the time. Yeah. You look at his body. He was just here. I know. I miss him. He was the one that put me in contact with Donaher.

Ah, nice. I text him. I'm like, hey, I'm going to see Joe on Tuesday. Can you send me Donaher's contact so I come on Friday and train the whole week with him? And I learned some good shit. Yeah. No. Donaher's contact so I come on Friday and train the whole week with him? And I learned some good shit. Yeah, no, Donaher is, he's an unusual person, man. You want to talk about a resource. Having a guy who's a PhD in philosophy,

a guy who is a professor at Columbia, like a real legit genius who gets obsessed with jujitsu, and that's all he cares about. Yeah, but he was talking like, even people that know him from the gordon ryan time he's been training back in the day like he knows like like when the hansel renzo gym was like yeah the real deal like when they were scrapping every day they're fucking even renzo's brother was alive. He's from back then. Yeah, yeah from the old good days Oh, yeah, no, he was he half before his body fell apart He was very formidable like everybody was like raving about how good his jiu-jitsu was. He was elite

Yeah, no, and the way he teaches It's a step a to be like there's no like, like, you have to do all these things before. No, it's just simple. Right. I was able to memorize so easy whatever he was teaching. And from day one to day four, I was, like, almost remember everything. That's amazing.

And I'm a fucking moron. I'm not the smartest guy out there. Thinking about it, like, I'm, I got to focus a lot to get it together But the way he was teaching was like wow that's easy to look at the results I mean look at his star pupil Gordon Ryan when when have you ever heard of a guy who's 25 who's Universally considered the greatest of all time in jiu-jitsu. Yeah, it's never happened

Never happened never and in in in a place like you need to like so hard yeah like you got royal gracie go by like everybody it's not easy yeah and people just don't want to fuck with them they don't want to they avoid them no pena caught him early yeah and that's about it well a couple guys you know they they get close early and, you know, beat him early, and now no one. Now no one. Now everybody, like, when a guy like him can take someone like Wagner Rocha and put- Play with him. Play with him and put a fucking triangle in an envelope and say, this is how I'm going to tap him. Hands it to the commentators and say, after the fight, open that up.

I know. It's not- What the fuck? Who does that? That's a little past the level of we're normally able to see. We'll see what happens with Galbao in September.

What do you think's going to happen? It's almost, you can know what's going to happen, but Galbao is a real deal. Galbao's a tank, too. From the early days when Galbao was with tarere with cobrinha yeah it was like almost impossible think a fucking 25 year old is gonna

beat him but but now he's gonna train he better oh he will i'm yeah i know for a fact but if he beats galbao in september i'm like that's it yeah put him him on the ground. And then if he does, like, who's next for him? I think he's going to gain more weight now that his stomach is not fucked up anymore. I would talk about it, too. Yeah, his stomach is getting better. It's not 100%, but it's pretty close. It's way better than it was, at least. No, I know.

And I was talking to him, like, what happened with all the antibiotics he took. His bacteria was killed I was like Indian is my opinion double up the fermented food try fasting but you know go talk to a real doctor because I whatever I do for myself is what I take from perfecting athletes or whatever I do from reading or whatever have you had staff never that's how he got it he got staff the thing is like it was an epidemic of staff in that Henzo school at one point in time. That basement. Because it's in a basement in New York City. It doesn't get any sunlight.

He just created it. It's just the funk. It was in the air. Like, New York City gets moist as fuck. I know. And, like, to kill all that stuff, like, good luck. It's hard. And then they're training every day.

Yeah. It's a pool of sweat yeah and also who's really going to the shower right away right i don't fuck around with that yeah the moment i'm done i finish my stretch yeah i'm soaping i'm defending and fuck i'm putting this defense up all over my body everywhere and any kind of cuts you have, put the salve on it. Yeah. And you know what also helps a lot? That colloidal silver. What is it? Colloidal silver.

Oh, colloidal silver. There you go. Thank you. That helps? Oh, I put that under my tongue every day. But also, if I have little cuts, I put it in there. I haven't had a ringworm in years. What is colloidal silver supposed to do if you take it under your tongue?

It works good against bacteria and viruses. Yeah? Yeah. what I'm curious. What is colloidal silver supposed to do if you take it under your tongue? It kills, it's not, it works good against bacteria and viruses. Yeah? Yeah. Is that, so you take it under your tongue?

Well, it's like, you know, like when you put CBD drops, you put it under your tongue so it absorbs better. Right. And then you just keep it there

for like 10 seconds and then swallow it. I saw a guy that was on a TV show once where he took too much colloidal silver and his whole skin turned blue Oh, wow, you ever see that? No, but I take oh you see this guy

I took whatever the fucking thing says this guy went off on colloidal silver. That's like two droppers a day That's it. It changed his whole Like skin like the X like a smurf like look Holy shit. Yeah. That's what he used to look like. He used to be a handsome fella. Man turned blue after self-medicating colloidal silver.

Yeah, look at that. Thank God I read and I didn't do it just because. Is that reversible? Trendy supplement can damage your organs and make your skin blue. How is it doing that? Look at that picture right there. Jamie, pull that one up above that guy's face where the guy's blue right there. How much it was taking.

Look how crazy that one looks on the right. That looks like a fake person. They'd have to be photoshopping a little bit? I don't think so, man. When you saw the show. Well, but why? Emphasizes the rest of it. It's color, yeah.

But how much it was taking, like a full bottle a day you have to take like a stupid amount look everything in excite erasure is gonna fuck you up anyway yeah that's why even with my with my vitamins I don't triple up you don't need to triple that no you just take the one dose you should be fine train hard recovery good take your supplements take some sun walk barefoot fuck a lot you should be fine

right yeah I don't think that there's a a cure for that shit either it's yeah but see that bottle looks pretty sketchy

the one that I take looks pretty I swear to god yeah you saw that fucking pink color the color that's why you look like oh that bottle looks wrong oh it looks wrong look at this shit I swear to God Yeah you saw that Fucking pee color The color No That's why you look like

Oh that bottle looks wrong Oh it looks wrong Look at this shit Looks like I peed in there And I'm taking it in the mornings Yeah Mine looks a little bit More pretty than that

Well there's a problem With a lot of these Alternative medicines It's like There's not a lot of research On them It's hard to know Like what's legit

And what's not legit Some of it's very legit Like like garlic is really good for- I eat garlic on everything. Garlic is great for bacteria. According to Wikipedia, the guy we pulled up was using homemade silver. Oh, there you go. Silver choloid. He's a fucking idiot.

What does that mean? Choloid. Choloid? Yeah, it says he turned blue after he took a homemade silver chloride cholioid. And that guy probably used it just like us. He used silver salve on his face. He used silver salve on his face? He just attempted to treat problems with sinus dermatitis and acid reflux.

Silver salve. So is that what turned his skin? Because it seemed all over his skin, like his whole face, everything. Yeah. Yeah, but probably if your face is turning blue, the body just follows. Oh, my God. He died young too, I believe. Didn't he?

He suffered from heart problems for years, heavy smoker, trouble by surgery. Oh, there you go. It's the same thing with... A guy with a heart attack doesn't 13. Yeah. That doesn't help either. Not good.

How old was he when he died? Doesn't... Doesn't? He smoked a lot. 51 to 2013. 60? 62. He lived a little bit. But it's like, don't be smoking cigarettes, eating shit, and doing your own medicine at home. That's not going to help.

That's a bad combination. The only medicine you can do at home is plant a couple of weed plants in your backyard. Yeah. That's the only home. Have you grown weed yet? No, only medicine you can do at home is plant a couple of weed plants in your backyard. Yeah. That's the only home. Have you grown weed yet? No, but I will. Yeah. It seems like a lot of work.

You got to separate the females from the males. But I have a full on beautiful garden. All the vegetables. Oh, yeah? Oh, I stopped going to Whole Foods for like three months. Oh, nice. And these fucking raccoons figured it out. These raccoons.

They raid my garden. Yeah, those cunts. I bought i bought i bought a cages i bought pellet guns they're smarter than i thought i couldn't find them and then one day i point my gun at them that used to step up on me i was like never mind i just go home he stepped up like he was ready to fight you already like he just raised up honestly ah because one pellet won't kill him. And I'm not that accurate. It'll hurt.

It will hurt him, but he will come charging at me. Get a crossbow. I need to get into that. I want to hunt so bad. Do you? All my friends that hunt, they bring me food. And my freezer is packed right now. I would give you some food. Oh, you know what I can give you?

I can give you some jerky. I got some jerky here. I would give you some food. Oh, you know what I can give you? I can give you some jerky. I got some jerky here. I'll give you some elk jerky from Elk. My lawyer just killed an elk not a while ago. Yeah. And you know, normal people don't want to eat the liver. Oh, I eat the liver. I fucking eat the shit out of that.

Yeah, liver's great. I've been eating that every fucking day since. That's so good for you. Luke Rockhold just killed another one. Yeah, I saw. And give me a shit lot of ground elk. Nice. I'm eating liver

and ground elk the last 20 days. That's phenomenal for you. I feel like a superhero. I swear to God. People don't get it. Yeah.

Everybody that I know when they go hunting, I'm like, please take me. I carry your shit. I do. I make jokes. I roll your shit. I make jokes. I roll the joints.

I do whatever you want. And then my lawyer told me. The way my lawyer told me to fuck off is get a hunting license and I take you. And he thought I was like, I won't do it. I called him a week later. Bro, I got the hunting license. What's up? He's like, no way.

I'm like, come on, take me. I don't know why they don't take me. Well, Texas is a great place to hunt because there's so much private land here, and they have these hunting ranches where they have, like, thousands of acres, and they'll take you and teach you. Like, my friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this – he has a restaurant out here called Dai Due. It's an amazing restaurant. I was supposed to go last night there.

He's the one that sells all the liver and everything. You can eat everything there. Yes, yes, yes. We were supposed to go last night and I just fell asleep early. Dai Due, he has a wild game there because some of it you can sell in restaurants that gets killed in texas if it's exotic or wild hogs he cooks a lot of wild hogs but he's got this um what is his um his instagram jesse's instagram is uh he's got like he was yours here right yeah yeah i hear that one yeah His coffee's good. I forget his... Yeah, his Instagram, Jamie, is sac.a.late.

Yeah, which is, I don't know, what does that mean? Sac-a-late. What does that mean? Sounds Spanish. The New School of Traditional Cookery, that's his other Instagram. If you click on that, that will take you to the Instagram page for his. He teaches people how to shoot, how to kill the animal, how to butcher it, and how to cook it. And he specializes in wild hogs.

I'm interested in that. Yeah. Well, next time you come out here, we'll schedule a hunt with Jesse and we'll do another podcast and we'll cook something. Or you tell me when's the next hunting and I just come for that. Okay. Because I really, like, that's one of the things I never do it, but it's like in my soul.

You want to do it. I want to do it so bad. Just be in the wild. Well, I was just like you. I was just like you before I hunted. Same thing. I want to do this. I want to do this. Then once I like you. I was just like you before I hunted. Same thing. I want to do this. I want to do this.

Then once I did it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this from now on. And that's what I do. I look forward to it so much now. And that's how I get my meat now. And the way I eat meat, I feel like I love cooking. I cook every day. How do you cook? Just in a skillet or the trigger.

I like the skillet because feels more like one one like in the trigger you just leave it there come back later and it's done in the skillet i actually have to put more skill right right right and that they get me so happy to cook every time i'm cooking i make sure i'm cooking either for my wife or for somebody because when they give me approval the food is good there's something about it like I was talking to Action Bronson

I was like bro send me tips and he was like just come to New York and cook with me and every time I'm about to cook something I text him

is this right is this wrong I'm like I hope I'm not bugging you but I fucking love cooking and you cook good or same with Matty Matty so I'm like

can you guys teach me how to cook because I don't know there's something about it that just makes me so happy yeah and i feel if i kill my animal and cook it then i'm real horny i'm happy yeah you will be very very happy i guarantee you just something about it when i'm cooking a meal for my kids for my friends and i don't eat i just cook yeah it feels great it feels fucking awesome well if you do i guarantee you when you do hunt and you do kill an animal and then you cook it and serve it

to your friends you feel even more happy it'll take it to the next level guaranteed 100 i'm gonna get there because it's just it's just something about it that's great that you're friends with those guys too because that can definitely help both guys are serious chefs and i definitely talk with all of both of them but i call sometimes i'm cooking and i'm like action is this right is this wrong and i'm like holy fuck something little details i'm like this fucking thing tastes better i use yeah i use the way i like cooking it's almost as equal as i love surfing or love fighting. Those three things get me out of the bed all the time. Yeah, I love it too.

I've been cooking lately a lot over hardwood fires. I got an Argentine-style grill where you make the crank and it goes up and down. Oh, those are great. And I lay the fire underneath there. Oh, my God. I love it. Every time I cook on it, Parillo cooks really good too. Does he?

Oh, really good. He's a great coach time I cook on it, Parillo cooks really good, too. Does he? Or really good. He's a great coach. He's a man. Very good striking coach. I would say he took me to the next level. Like, 100%. Like, everybody that worked with me before, they all did something. You know, you don't take right away from nobody. But when I moved full-time with him, I was like, holy shit.

It's like I was doing so much for little reward. With him, I'm doing less, but it's just effective. What is the difference in the way he teaches? He goes to the point. We don't do these three-hour classes. We don't, you know, we spar hard, we hit mid-hard, but everything comes like, you know, everybody hits the bag right everybody can hit it but in each bag at the gym i have a job to do like he teach me how to work with each bag sometimes he's not in the gym he just told me

work on these bags and do this work on the tire work on the wall i'm posting a lot like me working on the wall to get the straight right hand little things that before i will drill with a partner back and forth like jab cross hook back and forth what do you mean by on the wall like i get myself on the wall and i throw my straight right hand without breaking my elbow on the wall oh i see so you put your back against the wall i should i have a bit i did this this morning i sent it to him but do you back up to the wall i have to show you it's uh it's this and the idea is to not lift your elbow up yeah oh let me see i sent that to him and then like you have to like like make like my right hand is against the wall and then I'm throwing throwing

No So my right hand comes like a straight like a piece and down the middle instead of like you Charges and then you go so your opponent have a second to move right and then I do these things Every day before practice so you're not a video. This is a picture. Oh, he probably sent me a picture of that. It looks like a video, but it's just a screenshot. Like I get in the wall. Oh, I see. So you put your right shoulder up against the wall so that your elbow doesn't flare out.

Yeah. And then little things like that. Like before I would do like 10 different things with a partner. And then with him, he's just like little things but then when i'm actually aspiring i get all the benefits from it like i'm like oh i was hitting them i wasn't getting hit and i'm like oh wow all these you've been all these crazy things all these drills when you can just go in a small like you just squeeze everything together yeah and you know the the only way you figure it out how good you're getting is when you spar another good guy

and then you're like okay you figured it out do you have a muay thai coach like who works with you on your kicks not anymore no and since i work him, he focuses on my boxing and my base. My kicks are better than before. Really? Because I'm kicking from a balance point. Like, if you see lately my calf kicks, I'm not winning. I'm just going, boom, straight to the target. I'm sitting down on my punches, and I'm able to move.

Because some coaches before, when I'm hitting hitting meat, they tell me what to throw. So it's like, you know, when you're fighting, nobody's like Jab, Cross, Hook. He goes like, he's weird on top. He just goes like this and you just throw it. And he's always moving with you. And he got good footwork. Like himself as a fighter, he moves with you. So sometimes when you're hitting meat, everybody looks like Canelo when he's hitting meat.

Right. But putting that into a real fight is a different animal. so sometimes when you're eating meat everybody looks like canelo when he's eating meat right but putting that into a real fight is a different animal and he's moving all the time with me sometimes he shows something and he took it off and put it in the other side and now you gotta stop this to come here and that's what when you're sparring goes because sometimes you want to throw and that guy's gone right then you gotta do something else interesting and then I feel balance and then the best thing about him is the fucking shit he talked about way he told me getting your mind and it's like holy shit he get you hard in a lot of ways he will just talk to you and you know he just he's the one you know he grabbed be spin making him a champion.

RDA have a great run with him. Cyborg. You know, monkey see, monkey do, you know. I don't want to go with a coach that have a thousand fighters. I want to go with a coach that have a couple ones, but each of them get to the point. Right, right, right. Which is the bell. Yeah.

I was in a point that I was like, I'm winning fights, and I'm feeling a little short in some decisions. I wasn't getting killed, but I'm like, I need a coach that just step me up. And it's paying off. Do you work with anybody on kicks? Or do you just do them yourself? I kick a lot, we work a lot in the back, and in the back, I kind of freestyle,

I throw my punches and my kicks. And of course when I'm sparring, I go full on punches, kicks, and ground. But you just do your boxing with perillo yep and then your kicks 100 you 100 well he he made me kick too yeah but think about it beastman is a kickboxer right he he don't have a kickboxer because i did ask beastman like how you do with the kicks i'm like perillo will figure it out for you. And Bisping kick until the end. Right. So it's not like he take away the kicks from you.

He just give you a little better base so you can kick even more. Right. Like the way he make you sit, he don't make you sit like a boxer. He don't make you bend on the waist or do like all the things that boxer does because there's things coming down the middle, kicks, knees. And even my elbows, he's a Real Madrid coach. I'm throwing more elbows than before. Really?

In the debut grand final, he sliced him open from the standard. Do you think there's any benefit at all occasionally working with someone on your kicks? Probably. I will feel that. What I'm saying is if you think about how he's improving your punching, imagine if you had someone who's similar to him but with kicks i'll have to find that first yeah but there's people around your coast to mace's there's so much martial arts in your area there's a lot yeah the only

thing that sometimes i feel like when if i go to a kickboxing coach like he can improve my kicks but he can also get in my head, like, hey, don't do this, do this. So, like,

I just feel right now, everything is working together. Mm-hmm. And we communicate pretty good, so I'm like, if everything is working now, Right. why add another voice

to my ear? I just always feel like, yeah, adding another voice to your ear is probably not the best thing, but just someone to maybe occasionally

tighten up technique. It's just I feel the same way about what Peril has done to your boxing. I feel like if no one's working with you on your kicks, it's probably someone who could tweak a few things here and there and make your kicks even more effective. Yeah, that's true, and I'm definitely open for that. This is like me as a person who's very interested in kicks that's why I asked you today if you're working out I was about to ask

you this site because I love psychics yeah I'm spinning will because I throw a lot of psychics in the fights I don't really throw spinning wheel kicks well next time you come here we'll have a full gym yeah we're setting it up right now so if it next time well I'll be happy to come here I just had a crazy day today nine and I also when also, when I texted you, you told me you're working out later. I went straight to the gym. I did all that.

I did the boxing. I did some weights. Nice. But, like, you know, I'm always trying to figure it out, the next step, how to get better. And, you know, there's always room. Like, that's one thing he always says. There's always room to improve.

Oh, for sure. There's always. Well, that's the thing about working with elite fighters too because you get to see people that are so good and you get to realize that there's certain things they do better than you. If you just work with guys that are not as good as you, it's very difficult to get really, really elite, to get really good. Me personally, that's one thing I cut a lot from my circle.

If you don't uplift me, if you're not trying to do something huge for your life, I don't hang out with you. You know, that Kobe Bryant, there's a famous video

where he's talking about lazy people, about being around lazy people, about, get the fuck away from me. I don't want to have nothing to do with you.

Like, that might be contagious. It is contagious because they brought you down at their level even if you don't want that yeah that's like for me if i caught somebody from my life and they feel weird about it it's not for not a reason that it's not like they're not trying hard or they're not figuring it out well that mindset of a loser is very contagious and also they they require too much attention, too much energy.

You know, it's so hard to see when someone makes excuses, and you try to talk to them and say, hey, man, you can't think like this, and then they go right back to it. You're like, okay, I don't know what the fuck to tell you, but I don't have any time for this. A hundred percent. I just don't have enough time. I have one or two conversations. If I really love you, I'm going to tell you, like, hey, this is not working. You should get better. And you should jump right on that advice.

A hundred. I go straight to the point. Yeah. But if that person just is content where they at, they will- Or they make excuses for why. Well, the reason why is this. How many fighters go after the fight? Most likely when they lose they say like oh during

come my rip during my feet right that's a excuse you lose you lose just take it like a man how about paulo costa he had like a hundred of them oh the wine yeah or or the boxer they want to lose tiantai oh my god that was the worst. Shut the fuck up. He said he got poisoned. The thing weighed too much. But at least he didn't have excuses after the second fight. The second fight, we got knocked out again. Or the third fight, we got knocked out. You shouldn't have.

If you have an excuse again, you... I just think he couldn't believe that Tyson Fury put it on him like that. I couldn't believe that. I can see that from Deontay. But when you watch the first fight, Tyson was boxing until the 12th round. He got in the 12th round he got up and then he chased after Deontay and then in that round he realized how to fight Wilder and then the second fight that's the only way he fought him and he beat the shit out of

him just put pressure on and then the third fight I mean he did Deontay had his moments that fucking right hand is something he definitely he had the power but I don't have the boxing skill well he's he's working on that i mean because tyson can pimp like a mother yeah oh my god he does the job he does everything he is ahead because power yeah it's like a blessing right but the rest you have to work for that it's a blessing but it's kind of a curse in that you rely on it so much. And really it should come out of nowhere.

And you should almost like if you have power, you should train like you don't. Train like you don't. Train like you have to be a boxer and then let it come when it's there. Because you got to work on a skill. Yes. You have to work on a skill. There's guys that have power that also have defensive movement and skill. Like that's why Canelo is so exceptional.

Canelo has everything he's got power and he's got ridiculous defense the ways oh my god everything he does everything he does he for a minute is pimping yeah let me fucking go Mike Tyson on you yeah let me bend at the waist yeah holy fuck that's fucking beauty to watch that Danny Jacobs fight where he was like slipping all those punches standing right in front of him. It's just, it's gorgeous. That probably was

the best to watch. The best defensive movement, head movement I think I've ever seen from a middleweight. That punch, he cracked

homeboy's eye. Oh my God. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. I thought his eye was coming out of the fucking eyes. It was ruthless.

His whole face. Have you seen what it looked like? His whole face was completely shattered. He's a fucking cyborg now. All fucking shattered. All metal and screwed into place to keep his head together. The one with Colette Plant. Holy shit.

Bro, he's a killer. He's a straight up killer. The crazy thing is now he wants to go to Cruiserweight. And Usyk said he wants to fight him at Cruiserweight. I don't know if he wants to take that fight. I feel at this point, taking that fight will only make you better. Let's say he loses there. He got nothing to lose.

Right. But think about the reward. If you put risk against reward, taking that risk. If he can beat Usyk, sick Jesus Christ he's the greatest of all time if you beat to sick that's what I'm saying if you lose a fight he's like I try fuck you if he goes and win yeah good Lord who sick is phenomenal is it so he's real too he's so good he's good he's big. But that's the thing about Canelo. He seems to keep having the hunger that he had before sleeping on a nice bed. Yeah.

So that's what keeps him alive. Well, not just that, but also he's looking at it very calculated. He wants these challenges to take these chances. Caleb Plant was the biggest challenge in his legitimate weight class. Yes. At 168 pounds. And then he decided, well, he also has Arthur Beterbev. That guy's a motherfucker.

I don't know that one. You don't know who he is? Not that one. Holy shit. Pull up Arthur Beterbev's highlights. He's this Russian assassin. He's fucking terrifying. He's the light heavyweight champion.

Just by being a Russian, you're already tough. This guy is a motherfucker. He's one of the most murderous punchers ever in the history of the light heavyweight division. He's 100% knockouts. All of his fights are knockouts. That's scary. This motherfucker is terrifying. I mean, he puts people in wars.

See if you feel like a highlight, because I want to see him in real time. Is this a highlight video? Like the guys I watch for myself like watch this motherfucker he hits guys with seemingly normal punches and just Murders him and he takes it to everybody every fights a fucking war and he's been dropped He's been dropped in fights because he he forces guys to fight these chaotic wars with him But he eventually crushes everybody. He's a real dog I'm I'm pretty sure his win ratio is a hundred percent by KO

We'll see if you could google that Because I don't think anybody's made it to the final bell with he seems like he's very aggressive. Oh my god. He's super He's super aggressive super conditioned, but he's 36 or 37 now and you know it's started living it's about to start leaving him yeah it's a guy it's gonna eventually go away see if you find his uh his um uh his uh wikipedia because I'm pretty sure the guys that I watch for myself like that I want

to like mimic is Eric Morales and Roberto Duran those are the two guys Duran in the lightweight days that's the real prime

that's the real prime yeah people think of him as a welterweight but Duran Duran in the lightweight days so he's 100% undefeated

and I'm pretty sure they're all knockouts. Yeah, they all are. They're all knockouts, which is fucking wild. What does RTD, referee technical, what does that mean? It says corner retirement. Oh, so the guy quit. Yeah, so it's the same. It's the same thing.

It's a KO. Yeah, all knockouts. And the motherfucker just puts it on people, man. And they're talking about him fighting Canelo, too. But, again, it's one of those things. If he's going to fight Canelo, I want to see him fight Canelo now. Now. Before he gets too old.

Not in five years. Not at 41. Right. I'll show you that one. Yeah. If he fights him now, it's a very interesting fight. Because he's all KO. He's all KO, and he's so fucking aggressive, man.

Bitterbeef is terrifying. For me, that's the only way to fight. Yeah. That's what I like to do. I don't like going for a walk. I go straight at the point. Yeah. Maybe at the middle.

And most guys, lately, they wrestle me. That's why I'm focused on getting that part also shared. Who are you working with with your wrestling? Daryl Christians helped me with the Greco. And then this guy from up north, E.C. Silva, I've been working with him lately for the freestyle. Because I use a lot of offenses, body lock. That's how I like to take people down. But most people will attack me with double legs or single legs.

And that's the part I'm working with this other guy from Fresno State, which Fresno State have a great wrestling. So is your regular camp, when you're in camp, how is your camp structured? Are you doing strength and conditioning? Everything. How many days a week are you doing that? Like weights, conditioning. I work with this guy named Corey Beasley. I've been working with him since i moved to cali so six years he works on you know

power strength you know we use kettlebells bulgarian sandbags we squat a lot i'm a squat person i can squat all the time i believe that get your testosterone higher i believe that yeah bring your explosion everything deadlifts as well Yeah, of course those two those two things really do those are the Kings Yeah on real power and I personally that's what I crave I tell him all the time like out of camp let's lift heavy But of course you gotta listen to the coaches to get results So he planned me out we work twice a week with him and then on top of that I do all my running that I have five times to do that.

It's either four in the morning or late at night. So you run all through camp? I run year round. Year round. I run on five weeks. Really? Oh, yeah. No kidding.

Because I think about things. I let my brain flow. Things I want to say, things I want. Exactly. Yeah. I let my brain flow. Things I want to say, things I want. Exactly.

But then I work every morning with Parillo, Monday through Friday in the morning. And then every Sunday I figured out my scale, where to put Jiu-Jitsu, where to put wrestling. And I make like a map of every single day. Take a picture, send it to Parillo. So I'm like, hey, coach, what days you want me to spar and what days you want me to go hard so to put in a different day hard wrestling or hard grappling

because for Jiu Jitsu I go with the Mendes bros oh great those fucking guys are the wizards killers man and lately

Hafa has been coming to help me yeah because Giz like who corners me and you know you know teach me but Hafa has been making

like I come back to the gym and we were doing Nogi just me and teach me. But half has been making a comeback to the gym and we were doing Nogi, just me and him, for one hour. Wow. Good luck trying to score a point to that fucking guy.

Sometimes he's like, he asks me, you want to keep going? I'm like, I'm a fighter, I keep going. I try as hard as I can. But then I'm like,

let's just drill. Teach me from here, from there. And that's a guy that won ADCC yeah without any nogi experience all he won

was in the gi and he went overnight to ADCC and won that so that's impressive his technique is so pristine so perfect he's wrestling

sometimes I shoot and I'm deep on a double like and I'm going like a mad dog trying to take him down and he just go to my back and choke me

I was I don't know how he do it he do some crazy shit like that sometimes I feel like oh finally I'm gonna get lucky today and he just figured it out and he always tell me like hey don't you focus about you never defend somebody's attacking you you attack them so the mindset that he have is like always attack your defense is your attack so every time i'm rolling with him and i'm attacking something he's already doing something else and then we stop he's playing me some things we go again life he's playing me some things it's like holy shit they both kick my ass so hard it's so interesting when you're working with total specialists, right? Like whether it's with boxing or jiu-jitsu like someone who's just

Specialist and you realize how many layers there are and how many levels there are sometimes I bring MMA gloves like the puffy ones And I'm trying to crack their head. They still you know, because they told me like Hamon Lemons used to coach Anderson Silva That's his main that's the guy who kind of like make them as his uncle Anderson Silva was taken down by Cormier and he didn't eat a punch so that's that's how good like he wasn't you remember when he triangle Chael Sonnen on the fight he was losing exactly he would lose four rounds and four minutes yeah and then poop got that

triangle at the end of the fight. The thing is, Anderson was so good in the stand-up that his jiu-jitsu was overrated. Underrated. Underrated, sorry. Nobody knew how good he was. But I'm a fucking nerd. Even when I was in Ecuador, I knew Jamon Lemons was the guy. So I told myself, if I move to Cali one day, I want to train with the Mendes bros.

Nice. myself if i move to cali one day i want to turn with the mendes bros nice and they're being there i've been with them for a couple years now and they're fucking good is everything in the general area near you my house is a mile away from ruka oh nice the headquarters where i show with parrillo and the mendes bros are literally a mile away from ruka. Oh, beautiful. So I bike sometimes too. I have electric bikes and I just go near of them. Oh, that's nice. And then that's what I plan. I do three, four grappling classes a week.

I train every morning with Perrillo. And the opposite day of sparring, I just wrestle my ass off. I bring a couple of high school kids that fucking kick my ass so I can get used to that scramble pressure. And, you know, we just go. And then, you know, conditioning twice a week. But I don't have anything else outside this. There's no social life. Like, I'm training.

I said to myself, I want to be a world champion. This is it. How old are you now? 29, just turned 29. So you're right about in your athletic training. Right. I said to myself, I want to be a world champion. This is it. How old are you now? 29, just turned 29. So you're right about in your athletic prime right now. Yeah. So, like, this is the time. I got to take advantage of these years because these years will be gone soon.

Yeah. So now is when I keep, it's gym, family. Right. Going back to the gym. Right. Sleep, going back to the gym. So, like, there's nothing. And it's Monday through Monday.

I don't believe in like breaks or stuff like that. If you're doing it right, if you're not drinking, if you're not fucking around, you can pull it off. And I feel right now my next fight is the one that will take me to the bell. What is your next fight? I think they will give me Manny Bang next. And I believe he's going to be who?

Like a Manny Bang next. Manny Bang? Like a Manny Bang, like a five-rounder. Oh, main event. There you go. Thank you, sir. I thought you were saying someone's name. I'm like, who is this?

Yeah, it's a Russian guy. Manny Bang? Yeah. Manny Pacquiao. Yeah, main event. Yeah. Okay. Seems like we're going that

route most like in February so and the good thing about it is like since the Frankie fight there was no like time off vacation I went straight back to the gym and today right now if I have to fight next week I can make weight and they can fight but when you think about the beginning of your career and then you think about beating Frankie Edgar. In MSG. MSG makes everything twice harder and better and cooler. But it must have been almost surreal, right?

It was surreal. That whole fight week, I was feeling weird. I was so happy I was so like excited about the moment that for a minute I thought I'm gonna lose this fight I feel too loose

I feel too good I feel like everything is perfect I was happy and I was like wait a minute normally you wanna be a little anxious

nervous but I think it was New York energy that put me there like I was just waking up every day good.

I was ready to fight. Then I went in the next Saturday night waiting the whole day because I was in the fight before the coming event, so I fought late night. So the whole day just sitting down in my room, I was like, holy shit, I'm about to fight in MSG. Like, there's nothing bigger than that. There's no second arena.

No. It's MSG and the rest. Right. And for me, just knowing Ali, all the big fights that happened there, all the big concerts that happened there. Yeah. I'm like, I'm a fucking guy from Ecuador about to blow the fucking roof. I was like like now is when

I told myself I'm pretty hard on me if you don't win this fight be ready just to be the guy that is around

I told myself like that you lose this fight you're fucked there's no second chances there's no another

MSG card for you you lose this fight you lose your ticket to the belt what do you rank now? 8 let me see can you pull up the bantamweight

record the rankings so yeah so look what you got ahead of you Dominic Marab Dominic who just won Dominic looked good he looked good yeah he looked like Dominic who just won Dominic look good it looked good yeah good it looked like Dominic of old um my my fight with Aldo last December that was close very close that was close and if you see how Aldo kicks font us it's like tells me put me in a good spot because it's

like yeah with me it was a fight that I definitely lose a fight on getting my back taken, but I wasn't getting... Fucked up. And I felt that I was trying so hard to escape. You know, if I stand up and throw him in the ground, I'm punching. Even if he's from behind, I'm trying to do more. And that's one fight I've been asking for, do it again, but I think they will match him with TJ. Peter will fight Aljamain. Yep.

And it's only four, five, and six available. Yeah, and then Corey has, he's got to fight somebody else again. Murab looked great in his last fight too. Against Marlon Murab. Holy shit, that was crazy, right? Marlon almost had him out. Marlon emptied the gas tank. He Marlon Morales. Holy shit, that was crazy, right? Marlon almost had him out. Marlon emptied the gas tank. He had one gas tank.

He emptied that one as a wrap. I think he cuts too much weight. He's a 45er. He's so big. He's 5'1", but he's built like a gridlock. He's a tank. He looks like a pit bull. He should go to 45, and I'm sure he will have a good career there.

What does he weigh when he walks around, do you think? I don't know, but that fucker is twice as me. He looks like 160, 170. He's huge. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And the thing with him is like, he can fucking punch. He can fucking kick too, man. He can everything.

Yeah. But he can only do it once. Yeah. If he don't stop you like he did with Sterling or Jimmy Rivera. Or Cejudo, same thing. Yeah, but Cejudo did that to him. Right, but in the same first round, he couldn't stop him. Chop him, chop him.

He looked like a fucking murderer. And then the second round, he just faded. And part I give that to Cejudo because Cejudo's an animal. He has a champion mentality. Yeah, he's an animal. Cejudo is, you cannot make that man quit. No. There's no quitting in him.

Zero. You have to kill him. And he is a fucking, he's just so savage as a competitor. But in the beginning, I thought, so who does fucked? I'm like,

Marlon Marais is a straight up killer. And I will keep bringing this over and over. It's a mindset. Yeah. You're just getting your ass kicked. But if you stay on the fight, if that fucking bell haven't ring, you're still having a chance.

When he knocked out Jimmy Rivera with that switch kick to the head and then the same shit to Aljamain. And to Aldo. When Aljamain went to sleep like that and now Aljo's the champion. Marlon can do that to anybody. It's just he can't. The thing is like the moment. He's got to make an adjustment. People figure it out. He have one sprint.

Right, but why? Like why does he stay so muscular? If he just lost a little bit of weight, don't you think he would be able to maintain that better? But, you know, some people, they just build like that. Right. That's why I say,

I've been saying this for years, go to 45, bro. Yeah. You should go to 45. You're acting like a weak man. You're coming down to be the bigger man. Even if he's tiny, he's huge. When things don't go his way, though, it usually ends.

He quits. He gets beat up. Like Rob Font fucked him up. That was a big one. But the Murab fight was crazy. I was there. I thought for sure he had Murab out in that first round. It looked close to being stopped.

I was there. It was really close to being stopped. But I also, I was with a friend and I was like, look, if Merab get a hold of his leg and just hug him, he quit in the next round. Merab, you want to talk about immigrant mentality. That motherfucker's

got it too. He's got it. I'm going to tell you one thing. Guys like that, guys like Peter Jan, guys like Sandhagen, make me wake up every morning thinking I got a shit to be done. Because if you sleep, if you're thinking like you're fine, those motherfuckers are going to give you a nightmare. I'm going to kick your ass. I wake up every day thinking I'm going to fight one of those three guys next.

Well, that's a good way to think because they're in your wheelhouse. They are. That could be your next big fight. One of those guys could be your next big fight. I think Sanhagen is going to be next. You think so? I really believe so.

And if it's any other guy, I'll take it. And do you believe that's going to be February? So that'll be the Houston card? Maybe. Ooh, Houston.

Yeah, that's Houston. I think that's a pay-per-view. Yeah. That's Alessandro. I think my favorite would be Vegas. Ohview. That's a Alessandrian. I think my favorite would be Vegas. Oh, you think so?

I believe so. So that would be probably March? I heard February there. Is it a February UFC card? Yeah, in Vegas.

Oh, so there are going to be two pay-per-views in that month? I believe it's a fight night. Oh, fight night. I'm just speaking

of my thoughts. I haven't got anything concluded. I just say, send me contract, I'll be ready. Send me location. Location with a five-rounder, and I'll be ready. Yeah, that was one of my favorite fucking quotes ever from Khabib.

Send location. Send me location. Send location. I feel if you take this as a lifestyle, like, this is our jobs. When fighters are, like, at the end of each camp they want vacation i'm like a fucking surgeon when it's open your grandma's heart he's not going to vacation after each surgery right he go he works every day right sometimes i see fighters they just they just don't work yep but it's you you you work you pay for what has i said you get what you put it on for yes and if you're not putting everything on you you won't get what you want

no you won't you won't so that's why like myself i'm on it the whole time because there's not many years we have in this game no No. And time goes fast. Do you know how old you think you want to be when you retire? Have you thought about that? Sometimes. I think 36. I want to have a good life. I want to serve the rest of my life.

I want to run. I want to be fit. But I want to set my kids. I want to set myself. I want to get the belt first. I feel if I get the belt, I can do do anything i want because that will bring all the opportunities if you don't make it that far you just made it halfway and then how you get things you know what i'm saying right i feel like if you get the belt if you do all that for the belt from then you can defend it and there's a

lot that comes with that so first is first i think in my life i had my daughter sarah yuris first i did that get a home in california i did that the belt is left well my brother uh i'm looking forward to watch you fight again i'm a big fan thank you and it's cool as fuck to have you here to talk to you your story's amazing i love stories like that thank you so much i love people just that just get after it and hustle and put in the work and that's you my friend and you put you put the word out you know throwing telling newspapers and now you're here so it's a things that you can relate to and you can use them to push you forward yeah so i appreciate you too all too. All right. My man, Marlon.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Tune in to this motherfucker because he's a bad man. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.