The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #119 with Michael Bisping

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

Joe is joined by retired former UFC Middleweight Champion turned fight analyst and color commentator, Michael Bisping. Look for the documentary "Bisping: The Michael Bisping Story" on March 22.

the Joe Rogan experience good to see you brother good to see you we're working together for the first time this weekend I know I just told you I'm very excited I'm very excited about that it's a fucking great card yeah no it really is a sick card dubious circumstances how i got the call so very very unfortunate daniel's mom passed away and yeah very very very unfortunate you know and this is this is such a crazy week because the kane velasquez story just came out and we were having that conversation and you know fuck man that's a heavy one. That's the heaviest. His four-year-old daughter was allegedly molested by this guy,

and you could only imagine the rage, the fucking rage that must have been going through that man's mind. I mean, I get it. Apparently it was a hundred times. I don't know how they know that, but that's what's circulating. And as you say, one time, when you hear that, that this potential has been going on for God knows how long. Yeah.

And he's got a little daughter, man. She's four. She's a tiny little, cute little, adorable girl. And that's... It's just... And what does that do to her head to have that happen a hundred times? You can't erase those memories. It's so sick.

Yeah, I mean, it's Beyonce. That guy deserves everything what Kane did. Well, Kane actually got his father, didn't he? Yeah, unfortunately. The guy himself, yeah, sadly. I mean, my only wish is that he did it with his hands. My only wish is that he just ran that car off the road, pulled that guy out of the fucking car, beat him to death fuck you and even that would

have been too good for him yes it would have been you know it would have been yeah i mean that is that is a sickness there's like there's certain sicknesses that people have that human beings have sicknesses of the mind but that that one, the molesting, like a fucking baby. That's a four-year-old's like a baby. The molesting children is the sickest of all of those sicknesses. And he's never gonna get better.

No, I just don't think they do, man. No. A reformed pedophile? Is there such a thing? I don't know. I don't believe so. They say the recidivism rate is way high. It's really high.

What is the... See, Google that. What's the recidivism rate for child molesters? What does that mean, Joe? Oh, sorry. Repeat offender. You're using these big words on me. I use them wrong all the time. Don't worry about it. What is it? Recidivism. Recidivism? Yeah. That's a new one. I've never heard that.

I don't have a bad vocabulary, but that's pretty good. I like that. It just means you go back to your old ways. Continues. You go back to offending. Yeah. I think it's just a legal term that they use for criminals. It's got to be high.

It's very high. I think it's very high. I think it's like in the 90% or something like that. Anything? Not the right answer. It's, but again. But how would you know that rate anyway? Because it's not exactly like.

Because they catch them. They catch them again. Sometimes. Yeah, right. Sometimes they don't catch them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah. They're not exactly forward with that information. It's just a sickness that's been going on for for since the beginning of time what is it you got you got something here i found a couple different things this might be the best answer there and the top of that oh it's just like sex offenders though so sex offenders could be rape it could be anything i know a guy who got charged with a sex offense crime because he was taking a leak outside. Oh, really? Yeah, he was taking a piss outside

and the cops pulled him over. In decent exposure? Yeah, exactly. And so he had to be registered as a sex offender. Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I mean, who hasn't had a piss outside?

And it was like in Indiana or some shit like that and the cops were just cunts. I remember when I first moved here, I was on a... We went to a nightclub back in the days when I would go to a nightclub. And I got out of the car and I was dying for a piss. You know when you've had a few drinks?

Yeah. And I'm in a car park. So I'd just take a little leak against the wall and my buddy's like, Mike, what are you doing? You can't do that here. You're not in Manchester. I'm like, well, we don't piss everywhere in Manchester either.

Do you know what I mean? We are fucking dogs. Do you know what I mean? But I need a piss and I've had a few beers. Shut up. It reminds me of a nightmare I had recently. I had a nightmare recently that I had to pee so bad that I

pissed in a restaurant on the floor and I was hoping nobody noticed. It's the craziest dream. I'm just remembering it now. I feel like I got caught in the dream and I had to pinch it off real quick, but I was trying to piss on the floor in a restaurant somewhere. Yeah.

What is that? Decipher that. Yeah, well, decipher this one. I have a lot of night terrors, which is like extreme dreams, I'm assuming. And I just wake up in the night screaming and doing crazy stuff. A couple of years ago, last time, my wife's brother and his entire family came. They were all staying at my house. It's Christmas morning.

And I had one of my episodes. I don't know why. I jumped out of bed. Christmas morning, like 5.30 a.m. And I always sleep naked. So I'm completely naked. I jumped out of bed. And my wife, because I was still asleep, so I didn't know I did it.

I ran out of the bedroom, ran down the stairs, right? Obviously thought someone was trying to kill me in my dream. Fell down the stairs, got up, ran out the bedroom, ran down the stairs, right? Obviously thought someone was trying to kill me in my dream. Fell down the stairs, got up, ran out the house, came to on the next door neighbour's wall, completely naked. Oh, my God. I'd cut all my feet and everything up because I was climbing over the walls naked.

Oh, my God. My wife's brother's family were like, this guy's a fucking maniac. What is he doing? I came to, I was sitting on the wall i'm like wow that was a crazy one oh i have a good friend of mine her brother they were on vacation and their brother has night terrors and he ran out of the hotel room and ran through you know they have those glass railings in hotels on the second floor ran through the glass and fell to the second floor.

And now he's paralyzed. I was in Cancun last year. Same thing, because we were up real high. And every night, I locked the doors. To keep yourself from doing that. Yeah, because I said to my wife, I said, what if I run out there in the middle of the fucking night? And we're 20 floors up. You know what I mean?

How often have you had, I mean, how long has this been going on? Ever since I was, the first one I had, I went to Switzerland with the Boy Scouts when I was like nine or ten years old. Yeah, that was the first one. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember the dreams? No, no. A lot of the time, I have no idea they've even happened.

My wife tells me the next day. She's like, oh, you, and she's so used to it by now. But imagine living with you. Imagine her. She's living with you. Imagine her. She's living with a former UFC middleweight champion of the world. So you're a fucking savage already. And she's got to make sure that you don't wake up in the middle of the night and think you're in a fight for your life.

Yes, yes. I remember one night. I remember this one. The ceiling fan. I thought the ceiling fan was going to come down and chop us up. And she's fast asleep. And I grab her and I throw her against

the wall. You know, she's only a little thing. And she... She's on the floor. She's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, babe. I thought the fan was going to chop us up. That's so crazy. I wish I was exaggerating. That's so crazy i wish i was exaggerating that's so crazy zero exaggeration to this story

right and you remember it when you're waking up like after you threw it in the ground is that when you wake it ever so slightly very vaguely yeah wow that's so crazy that's so crazy yeah yeah that wake the dream walk thing is strange. It is. People do it. They just walk right up to you and just start talking. You're like, hey, man, are you awake? And you realize, like, oh, he's not even awake.

Like, hey, go back to bed. Yeah. Yeah, go back to bed. Yeah, they say don't wake him, but why not? Wake me. Wake the fuck up. Especially if I'm fucking naked on top of the neighbor's fence. Wake me up.

Here's the question. What would wake you? If being naked, running down the stairs, climbing a fence, that doesn't wake you up. What's going to wake you up? A bucket of cold water. If you see me running down the street, Joe, totally naked. But I got to get a bucket. I got to chase you.

Slap me. The cold water. Kick me. Do something. Speaking of which, I can't believe that you can run on these artificial knees now that is amazing yeah

yeah I mean do that thing where you showed me you tap it do it so like the microphone can hear it

listen to his knee this is the artificial knee there's both that one doesn't do it as well wow but yeah yeah I mean so you had him replaced yeah fully so what do they do did they cut the top of the knee off and put like a new thing and screw

it in like they do it a few different ways like resurfacing and sometimes they have to the joints just like I have a friend is his joint was disformed because he had gone without cartilage for so long, bone on bone, that the bones started like getting spurs. Yeah. They had to cut his open. Yeah, essentially. So they cut the leg open, obviously. Remove the entire knee.

Shave down the femur. Shave down the tibia and the fibula. Put in a whole new knee. Attach the tendons. Staple you up, and off you pop. Wow. And then the recovery's awful. Awful.

I mean, my legs swelled up to about this size. And then that was my left knee, which gave me problems. Ever since I trained with George St. Pierre in 2005, I tore my PCL. So it was just one thing after the other, you know, wear and tear. But my right knee had never bothered me once, 2005, I tore my PCL. So it was just one thing after the other, you know, wear and tear. But my right knee had never bothered me once, never any issue whatsoever until I had the left knee replaced.

And then as soon as that healed, I started having pain in my right knee. Really? Yeah, and then they said, yeah, you need that one replaced as well. I'm like, I've never felt any pain. They went, well, that's crazy because that knee's shot as well. So, yeah, had them both done. Best thing I ever did. You know, I mean, it's weird it's a weird sensation even now if i go on my knees it's not pain but it's just a very strange i mean they're still numb you know so there's no feeling there so

doing jiu-jitsu you know so you're training again uh no well i was gonna say doing jiu-jitsu is an issue you know i don't do it very often you know because i imagine if someone gets you in a heel So you're training again? Well, I was going to say doing jujitsu is an issue. Oh, it is an issue. I don't do it very often. Because I imagine if someone gets you in a heel hook. Oh, yeah, yeah. Would you feel it? Oh, for sure, yeah. You'd feel it in the tendons?

I would say so. I think so. I don't know. Nobody's done that yet. Did they replace your ACL? Do you have an ACL at all? Or is it just the artificial knee? I don't know.

That's a good question. I never asked. I never asked. I never asked. That's hilarious. Yeah. It's like, hey, I'm not concerned with it. Just do it. Yeah.

Joey Diaz had one of his replaced. And he said he started doing jujitsu too. But he said sometimes someone will move him funny and it'll pop out a socket. Oh, no, no. There's nothing like that goes on. But it pops back in place. Right. But I mean, he might have like lax tendons or yeah i'm just guessing yeah

so i said to the doctor i said is it fine to run and he said yeah well i screwed them in extra tight so you're good to run i'm like wouldn't you screw them in extra tight anyway i'm like oh this guy likes to run we'll just give that a couple more fucking turns i'm like what are we fixing a door here you screwed them in tightting in tight? What do you mean? So anyway. Yeah, I would imagine that would be something you do every fucking time. Get it as tight as possible. Yeah. So yeah.

My mom's trying to avoid one right now. She's had some real pain in one of her knees. And I sent her down to Panama to a stem cell clinic. And that helped a lot. That killed all the pain. She went down there. And six months later, she was real concerned because it was like six months. That killed all the pain. Like she went down there and six months later, she was real like concerned because it was like six months

and there was no improvement. She's like, I don't think it worked on me. And then after six months, the pain went away. And then it's like slowly got better. So I've sent her down there a second time and I'd like to like keep her going. I would try to avoid, because the thing about it when you're older too,

she's like 75. You know, when you're older too She's like 75, you know when you're older you don't heal good man. No, you know, I imagine if it's rough for you What's it gonna be like for my mom? Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to do the same thing with my mom She had polio when she was a kid. Oh, so she she she can't walk now, you know, cuz she broke her hip She always had a terrible limp and then she fell over and broke her hip and it just hasn't healed right but they say in the doctors in england said they can't operate because the bones are too soft but the guy that did my knee replacement he said that's bullshit he said we operate on porous bones all the time so i'm trying to get her to come out here so we can do something with it but that's gotta i gotta get her on a plane first right she's almost 80 she didn't want to leave the house let alone fly to to England to have an operation.

Sorry, fly to the States to have an operation, you know. A friend of mine was telling me about his dad who got a hip replacement. And he said he almost wishes dad didn't get it. He goes, because, yes, his dad was in pain before the hip replacement. He goes, but his dad is so frail after the surgery. Because he was close to 82 as well and i think that when you know the surgery itself which is so i mean they saw the top of your femur off and they it's a lot a lot going on and it was so traumatic that he never really fully recovered and he's been way worse since then

because just the the surgery that's one thing that people have to take into consideration. It's like you're going to be, your body's got to recover from that. It takes a long-ass time. I said to my doctor, the day I had the knee replacement, I was leaving, I said, when do you think I can move again, you know, be walking about?

He said, oh, you can do a Peloton class today. He was fucking so full of shit. He's a great guy. I couldn't move my leg forever. He said, oh, you'll be able to do the Peloton class today if you want. Yeah, and then part of the rehab when they were coming was just trying to, because I had a Peloton bike right there. He's like, just try and do one rotation on it.

But that took months or a few weeks, should I say. Wait a minute. I saw you in a hospital gown trying to do a jumping front kick right after you got out. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know. Percocet's a really strong drug. You know? What can I tell you?

It's nice, though, that there's something that they could do that relieves pain. Because I have some friends that have some fucking really bad knees. And when you see them, like, get up off the couch and walk and you know It's just sharp pain sharp pain sharp pain every step and they just have to tolerate it. So they're always on edge They're always like what what you know, because they're just they're fucking in agony I I know the feeling I live my life in agony for years I tell Matt Sarah all the time because his knees are the same way. His knees are fucked too? He always asks me, he said, Mike, what do you think?

Knee replacement? Yes or no? I'm like, do it. Best thing I ever did. Best thing I ever did. He looks normal. He's walking around normal. Yeah, no, he's in pain. Is he just in pain every time he walks? Yeah. That's the thing about jiu-jitsu guys, or fighters. How many fucking guys are just constantly walking around in pain?

You know? I was in pain. A lot of pain. A lot of pain towards the end. What are you going to do? If you like it, I mean, especially if that's what you do for a living, it's this part. Who the fuck? No one rides for free.

Yeah. Nobody gets out of your business. And in the end of the day, you're 100%. You just kind of resign yourself to that. You know, people ask me, you know People ask me. I have no regrets. I mean, the knees are the tip of the iceberg. Right, right. I've got one eye.

I had to have my nose rebuilt. They took my ribs and rebuilt that. What else? My neck. I had neck surgery last year. I've got to have two more plates put in, two discs taken out. What are they doing to your neck? Well, remember years ago we were talking about it.

Yeah, yeah. You had a bulging disc. It was like atrophying your arm, right? Correct, yeah. It still does that. So they went in through my throat, sliced me open there, pushed my throat to the side, took a disc out, put a titanium plate in and four screws.

Was this while you were still fighting? No, this was last year. Oh, okay. Last year, yeah. So you got one of them articulating discs in there. Yeah, something. How does that work? I'm still in pain.

Still in pain. They've got to do it two more times. I said to the doctor, because that terrified me, just the thought of coming through the throat and messing with the spine. You know, that's scary. So I put it off for years. And in the end, I just couldn't take the pain anymore.

But I said, if I do this, it's going to take care of this. He said, yeah, I guarantee you, 100%. And yeah, I've got to have it done two more times. Fuck. So two more times. Fuck. So two more separate operations or one operation with a replacement? I'm hoping one. And I said, can you go in through the same scar? Because I don't want slashes all over my neck.

People already see me running down the street naked, fucking half asleep. I don't need slashes on my neck as well to go with it. Lock that man up. They said, maybe. We'll see how the scar tissue is. Sometimes that can be an issue. The first guy that I knew that had that done was Braulio Estima. He had these fake discs put in his neck.

And I've always had neck problems too. Like everybody that does jiu-jitsu has neck problems. And I've always asked him, I'm like, how are you doing now? He's like, well, I had to get another one. So he had another one done. So he's had two fake discs in his neck And then he's also got some other pain from the other the problem is like the other Discs that are connected to the disc that was an issue

They start becoming a problem like the next one down becomes a problem Eddie Bravo has one too He's gonna really could fake one in his lower back. Yeah What are you gonna do what are you gonna do it is what it is yeah i mean for some people it works great i mean i do know one dude who did it and he never felt pain again he had it fixed in his lower back right he's got no problem yeah yeah yeah i had no pain for a while but slowly but surely started creeping back but you're not doing jiu jitsu right no i don't do much other than run and lift weights at the minute i want to i mean i hit the bag a bit i want to do jiu-jitsu i actually had somebody ask me if i do a uh they're putting on some kind of event at uh the

somewhere in vegas what's it called some some old arena they used to do fights i forget anyway they're putting on a jiu-jitsu event so mike would you they want you to compete yeah and i said oh i said i'm kind of interested. It'd give me something to train for. Right. You know what I mean? Something to do, you know, rather than just running through the hills

talking to myself naked. So I thought, I kind of fancy this, but he never reached out. He took my email address, but... How much time do you think you'd have to train to prepare for a jiu-jitsu match? A while, I think. I think.

I haven't rolled in quite some time. Last time I rolled, I bent my finger 90 degrees to the side. I'm like, fuck this. This is why I haven't rolled for a while. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a rough business. It is. You know, we were saying just before, my son, he just, he's a wrestler. He loves it.

That's his life. And it's, you know, it's such a great sport. I mean, what they've done with my son, the wrestling coach, it's amazing. Really molded him into a great young man. Yeah, it's been cool watching him on Instagram. It's nice.

It's nice watching a son of a champion get into combat sports himself. It's exciting. Yeah, well, I don't think he wants to fight. People ask that all the time. I don't think he wants to fight. I mean, I say, I fought so he doesn't have to, you know. But if he wanted to, of course, I would support him.

But, yeah, he's had a lot of knee problems as well. And then, sadly, they took his meniscus out, as I said. Made it back for the end of the season. Went to regionals. First takedown he shot. Got the takedown, but blew his ACL out on his good knee. So he's very depressed right now he's a young guy and they can replace your meniscus when you're young they do cadaver

meniscus grafts and apparently on young people it's pretty effective um but there's another thing that we've talked about on this podcast because I had the guy on he's got a instagram page I don't know if you've ever seen it's called knee over Knee Over Toes Guy. Yep. I've been doing that for about seven months now, and it's completely changed my knees. All the pain that I had on my knees is gone. Like, my knees are so much stronger than they've ever been before. It's funny

you mention that, because that's exactly what Callum, my son, was talking about. Yeah. He'd been recommended it, and I said, I said, I think I've heard Joe Rogan talking about that. Yeah. And then a lot of people on twitter you need to follow knees over toes it's incredible mike it's incredible it's incredible yeah i recommend it to everybody i mean even with your fake knees it's like it's going to strengthen all the muscles around the knees that stabilize the knee one of the things that he does it's like the primary exercise is walking backwards with a

sled so i load the sled up with weight i attach it to my hip with a hip belt yeah and I drag this sled but just pushing backwards and I do it every workout now right he was he was doing it everywhere I was doing at one time I was only doing it like so here's this gentleman doing it here so he's pushing back you're on your toes and it just completely changes like the way your knees feel. It pushes all the blood into them, but it strengthens them because it's an unusual way of exercising with it. Yeah. No, I'll say.

I used to do stuff like that in strength and conditioning. The walking backwards thing, though, for the knees is phenomenal. See, that's what they say. That's the number one bang for your buck for knee longevity. Really? Yeah. If only I knew this 10 years ago. I know.

I just found out about it pretty recently. Jamie's actually the one that told me about it. He was explaining to me because he knows I've had a gang of knee problems too. But this is a game changer. That and I do a lot of split squats. And I do a bunch of different exercises like tibia raises, like with weight, you know, that strengthen the muscles on the side of your shins, the tibia muscles. And I do a lot of different things that this knee over toes guy recommends. Yeah, I'm just laughing to myself that I definitely skipped leg day.

I've got to work on that, yeah. Well, that's the way to strengthen all the shit around your knee to keep your knee stable. Yeah. No, no, I know. I know, I know. So many of us don't do that. I mean, if you're training martial arts, most of the time you're just doing the training and maybe you're doing some strength and conditioning, but you don't specifically work on muscle groups

to strengthen joints. Yeah. But this guy had a gang of knee surgeries and real problems when he was in high school and college and yeah i uh i always say every week i'm gonna do more legs gotta start that's it this week i'm gonna definitely do more legs and i'm trying to do more functional workouts but then you get busy and whatnot you know what i mean i like to start my day with a run then i go in and lift weights i know you shouldn't do them together you should do cardio first and then have a break and lift weights i'm like fuck it i just gotta gotta squeeze it all in i got things to do and somehow don't find myself doing the squats i don't know why that is i in

fact i do know why it's because every time i do it i fall onto the toilet as opposed to sitting onto it and i know i know the drill well at least he didn't get heavy. A lot of guys, when they retire, they get heavy. Yeah. Oh, that's a battle. The Prince Nassim Hamed look. He's a big boy these days. He's big. He's a big fella. Yeah, it's a constant battle, though.

It's a constant battle. Well, a lot of fighters, you know, when they're fighting and training, and then when they don't have to anymore, like they can't wait just not have to do that anymore. Well, no, that's it. That's it. I used to do a lot of the kind of stuff you were just talking about. I'm kind of over it now, you know? Yeah, it gets tiresome.

Yeah. It's a hard life. But at the end of the day, a guy like you, you get to sit back and say, I was the fucking middleweight champion of the world. Yeah. That's real. Yeah, no, it is. Nobody can take that from you. Yeah. That's real. Yeah, no, it is. Nobody can take that from you.

No. Forever. It is nice, and it definitely made a change, I guess, in my life because it kind of validated everything, but that's not really why I did it.

You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, of course, everybody wants to be the champ. If you're going to compete in any sport, then, of course, you want to be as good as you can be, but I was just trying to make some money. But, of course, the two, they go hand in hand,

because if you become the champ, then you make more money. When I got involved with this, it was to, my plan was to make enough money so I could go to college and then hopefully get a proper job. So it kind of exceeded all those expectations by far. So that was when you were in your early 20s? Yeah, when I left school and then didn't, So it kind of exceeded all those expectations by far. So that was when you were in your early 20s? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When I left school and then didn't, you know, dead-end job after dead-end job. You come to find out there's not much call for unqualified 16-year-olds. Did you win Ultimate Fighter Season 3? Three. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that wild? Yeah.

There's like 30 seasons now. It's insane. Sometimes, like, you know, I will be looking at a video, like getting ready for a fight, watching a guy's going to compete. And they're like, oh, he won the Ultimate Fighter Season 27. I was like, what? And that's probably five, six years ago. I know. Yeah, I know.

It's wild. It's crazy. It's crazy how many seasons there have been and how much talent's come from there. And then on top of that, you've got the Contender Series. How much talent's coming out of that? Oh, I know. The fucking level now, now man It's insane some of these guys like that you know Like like hums odd look at that guy. Oh, yeah

I mean what the fuck man hey, and you want to hear what I hear it's crazy training session. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I hear too. He's over because Darren tells that right now. Yeah at all-stars in Sweden and What Darren tell you he's a fucking animal. Yeah, it's an absolute animal Non-stop in every way striking wrestling conditioning apparently, you know, cuz he all these fights have finished real quick Yeah, so he's never had to show that side of things but apparently his conditioning is like nothing you've ever seen as well Well, you see the training footage and you see the intensity that this guy pursues everything with. It makes sense. You know, he's only been striking for a few years.

I know, it's crazy. That's nuts. When you see the way he knocked out Mirschart, you're like, Jesus Christ. It was a nice right hand. Beautiful, perfect. And there's another video of him when he was younger

where he knocked a guy out with an uppercut. Did you ever see that video? No, no. Oh, my God. Yeah, nice. It's like one of the best uppercut KOs I've ever seen in my life. He just made a read, perfectly placed,

stepped in, just flatlined the guy with an uppercut. I mean, Gilbert Burns is going to be a tough fight for him. Watch this. This is it. Oh, is this it? Let me see. Watch this. Look at that. I mean, that's a perfect read. And he stepped off as well, so he was away from the counter.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's not just throwing a punch. Exactly. You know what I mean? He's a perfect read. And he stepped off as well, so he was away from the counter. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, like the footwork. He's not just throwing a punch. Exactly. You know what I mean? He's defensively correct as well. He's doing everything. And that guy's asleep.

Yeah, out cold. One shot. Yeah, I mean, he's doing things technically, and he's doing things hyper-aggressively at the same time. Yeah. He's an unusual dude. He's a very unusual dude. It's Chechens, man.

They're some fierce fucking human beings. I heard some stories about that as well, which I'm not going to go into. It's a hard place. It's a very unusual it's chechens man there's some fierce fucking human beings i heard some stories about that as well which i'm not gonna go into it's a hard place it's a very hard place apparently there's a lot of craziness going on there right now oh yeah yeah with the ukraine situation yeah no no nothing to do with that sadly i mean that's oh there's more on top of that yeah apparently so yeah yeah i don't follow too much of what's going on in that world but uh i do know that that it's a war-torn place. And when I saw this, there was a documentary that somebody put out, a small piece, like a 20-minute one on Hamzat and his past

and interviewing him and talking about his childhood. That's how you make a person like that. Oh, that's it. I mean, he comes from a tough place. From a tough place, you're going to create tough men. I mean, look at him. The guy's an absolute animal. And that's why he trains so hard.

That guy has, I think, how many fights does he have in the UFC now? Four. He's been hit twice. Yeah, and one of them, one significant strike he's taken was just trying to punch off the guy choking him out.

That's not a significant strike. That doesn't even count. That's a defensive, get off me. That shit doesn't even count. I'm about to go unconscious. Yeah, that literally doesn't count. No.

I don't think that should count as a strike. Like, strikes landed like this. And then what he did to, yeah, no, that's not a punch. That's not something we teach. So you can knock a guy out from your guard. I've seen guys, Uriah Hall did that. Uriah Hall had a guy in his guard, and he cracked the guy like this. Oh, really?

He did this from the guard and rolled him over and finished him. Jacare? Kevin Holland? That's right. Look at that. Kevin Holland stopped him from the guard and rolled him over and finished him. Jacare? Kevin Holland? That's right. Look at that. Kevin Holland stopped him from the bottom. That's right. That was crazy.

Kevin Holland cracked, though. He's going to be fighting 170 this weekend. This weekend. Very interesting. Against Calvary Oliveira. Very interesting. Yeah. Because he's, you know, maybe a little undersized for 85.

When you see a lot of these guys that do cut a ton of weight, the big guys like uh like Pereira, Michelle Pereira that guy's huge yeah he said he was only about 180 I think really yeah yeah when he was fighting at middleweight that's crazy because I spoke to him on Wednesday yesterday and he said yeah it was only about 180 he would rock up at the fights on so he wasn't cutting much weight. So making 170 is easy for him. Very interesting. I had him on the podcast and Travis Luter as coach. Yeah. And Travis said, I've never seen anybody like him.

Really? He said he learned so fast. He goes, he's such a special talent, and he's just got ridiculous power. Remember when he knocked out Joaquin Buckley? He told him that he had a booger on his nose? I didn't see that one. He told him he had a booger on his nose, and then see that one He told him he had a booger on his nose

Really? And then he flatlined him I don't recall that Oh watch this Why haven't I seen that? Oh it's a crazy one I must have seen that It was before Buckley's highlight

Yep That crazy jump back spinning kick It's uh He pointed to him He goes You got a booger on your nose man I've heard of that But I can't think of the knockout

Of the top of my head And then boom hits him with a straight right hand and flat lines nice he's fun he's fun yeah it's gonna be

a good fight this weekend he's wild he's talented and wild and you know he has a hole in his game and the hole in his game is wrestling but I think that hole

will be less when he's fighting guys that are more his size wrestling he just gets a little carried away a little too excited he's off balance at times you know so it's a learning process Guys that are more his size. Wrestling, he just gets a little carried away, a little too excited.

He's off balance at times, you know. So it's a learning process. Watch this. It points to him. Like as they're standing there. I think he's got a circle around where his back is against us. See, here it goes. Look. You got a bug in your nose.

That's what I love about him. He's always talking. He's great. I don't know why. Oh, what a shot. Yeah, I mean, that's serious power, man. Because Buckley is fucking tough. And, you know, he had that Razak Alhassan fight.

Super close fight last weekend. Yeah. Great, great fight. And, you know, Alhassan can fucking crack. Oh, yeah. I mean, that dude is strong. Sure knockout power. Oh, great fight. And, you know, for, and Alhassan can fucking crack. Oh, yeah. I mean, that dude is strong. Pure knockout power. Oh, my God.

And so the fact that Holland was able to take him out with one shot like that is insanely impressive. Well, tall, skinnier guys, leaner guys, you think they're not going to have much power, but they have a tremendous frame for it. And if you know how to use it and use the angles and use that frame to torque and the rotation. Tommy Hearns. Yeah, yeah. I mean, remember those days? I used to train with this guy back in england and he was tall and skinny as hell oh god what a nightmare he was a fucking nightmare so yeah skinny guys be careful dealing with the reach of tall guys

you know that's why guys like rockhold at 85 was like he was always a nightmare because he was so big at 85 and had such a long reach yeah he was huge yeah poor old luke is he coming back like i keep hearing he's going to paulo costa he's calling out paulo costa which i think would be a great fight for him because that's a big jump let's jump right right back into the deep waters deep end yeah straight back in which i have to respect yeah you got to respect it it but that's what I expect from a guy like Luke yeah

yeah cause you know a lot of people like to talk shit about him now or laugh at him or whatever well you used to I did

I did but that was a long time ago that was 2016 that was 6 years ago you had to you fought him once he beat you then you knocked him out

yeah and you won the title from him so it's like you're even yeah no exactly I guess you're kind of a little ahead I'm ahead! I'm ahead for sure

You got him the last time I got him the last time I did But yeah, I mean he got knocked out for me, Jan and who was he? The Jan one was rough Joel Romero, no shame in those And then Joel kisses him afterwards I know that I love you. And gives him a kiss.

And he's like, excuse me, can you not? I've just been unconscious. I don't know where I'm at right now. Can you stop kissing me, please? Yoel, when he first came to the UFC, I remember thinking, how the fuck is that guy 185 pounds? How is that even possible? I was like, holy shit, look at the size of this guy. Even when he would weigh in, I'd be like, there's something wrong with the scale.

Because I weighed, at the time, I weighed like 195. I'm like, how is that possible? How am I 10 pounds heavier than this guy? What do you weigh right now, Joe? Same, like 195. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. That's ridiculous. He's so big.

He's a freak. He's a freak. And then he came in here once with Joey Diaz, and he was in between fights, and he was probably 230. Right. Yeah, yeah. Fucking huge. Doesn't surprise me. Fucking huge.

Just gigantic. Because there's no foul on him when he's in fight shape. Yeah. Did I ever tell you what happened with him in Australia? No. He went to Australia, right? Has a fight. I forget who the fight was, but he had a cracked orbital.

So they send him, the UFC sends him to the doctor. The doctor examines him and then talks to the UFC on the phone and says, where did you find this guy? Oh, really? Yeah. And he goes, he's amazing, right? He goes, no, no, no. You don't understand.

He goes, I've been studying human beings. I've been working on people. I've been operating on people for 50 years. He goes, I've never seen a human like him. Really? The tendons in his eyes are three times thicker than a normal person's. Wow. He said his eye, the orbital bone was already healing by the time he got to me. Wow. That's crazy. He's just a freak. Yeah. Freak of nature. A freak of nature, maybe. But you also got to wonder wonder he came out of that Cuban sports program Like who the fuck knows what kind of experiments they were doing like think about that no no

I was young enough. He's young enough that it was recent enough that they were experimenting with all sorts of different anabolic steroids and performance performance enhancing drugs and Human growth hormone and children and all kinds of stuff that they were doing to try to enhance their athletes. Were they actually doing that? The Soviets did it for sure. Yeah.

100%. A lot of the Eastern Bloc countries did it. And Cuba has always been connected to the Soviet Union in one way, shape, or form. Yeah. Wow. Who knows? I mean, that's crazy.

Yeah, it's an outlandish statement. So I don't want to sit here and say that because... I wouldn't say it... No, no, no. But you know what I mean? For a definite, but who the Who knows? I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, it's an outlandish statement. So I don't want to sit here and say that because... I wouldn't say it... No, no, no. But you know what I mean? For a definite, but who the fuck knows? Oh, Bisping's just hating on Romero again. He's taking away all his credibility

by saying he was injected with human growth hormone as a baby. Look, it could be something way more simple. Like he had an elite athlete father, an elite athlete mother, and, you know, and that's... Trained his ass off. Trained his ass off, and just that's how he is I mean there are people that are just blessed genetically it could be that but

this you know the story of Alexander Curellon right I don't know Alexander Curellon who is like probably one of the greatest wrestlers if not the greatest wrestler of all time and Norm you know who he is no I have no idea no I want to see a bad motherfucker this guy was so terrifying He only lost once to Rulon Gardner and the way he lost it was Greco Roman It's just it was a different time. They had changed the rules and Because he had separated his hands separated his grip it counted as one point, right? And that's the way Rulon beat him. He beat him by one point. Okay, so technicality Yeah, and he was at the end of his career. He'd been wrestling forever.

But he would pick guys up. That's him. That's Carellon. Wow. He was like 300 pounds, and I think he was somewhere around 6'4", 6'5", built like a fucking giant panther and would hoist guys up in the air like that. That was his move. Guys would flatten themselves out to try to avoid being taken down like flatten down on their stomach yeah and his seen it would get his hands under their gut and hoist these 350 pound men

in the air will do that it's crazy watch him do it because when he would do it see if he gives a video of Karelin but he's widely regarded as one of the most impressive wrestlers of all time see See like, see see if you have highlights. Okay. So watch what he would do. And this is when he was 21 years old. At the 1989 World Games. Look at this. Look at the size of this motherfucker.

And everybody was afraid because you would go for a ride like that. Boom. And he would just slam you to the ground. I mean, that's not wrestling at that point. That's just come here. He's just fucking you up. Get over here. I mean, it's a crazy loophole in the rules. He's able to get his hands underneath you

and just keep dumping you. I mean, he's basically beating you up with the ground. Yeah, no, sure. Smashing you into the ground by your head. And everybody's terrified of him. I'm not surprised. Look at the build on that motherfucker. Just enormous, super fluid athlete.

The way he moved, and yeah and just a full range of motion not stiff at all like a giant panther did you see the uh on the opposite end of the spectrum um that wrestler last week he's got no legs or one leg yeah and he won a state championship crazy want to stay amazing my son's feeling sorry for himself because he blew out his ACL. I'm like, this guy's got no legs. Suck it up, buttercup. What's your fucking problem? How do you wrestle that guy, though?

It's a good question. It's a good question. How do you take him down? He's already down. Exactly. And then when you think about weight. I'm not making jokes at his expense. No, not at his expense.

But look, it's always amazing when someone finds a way, right? When someone who has a handicap like that finds a way to utilize what they have and then excels and succeeds. It's amazing. It really is. I mean, talk about an inspiration. And you have to think, when you look at the other wrestler, if they're the same weight, the guy has- The thickness and the strength.

The upper body strength must be off the charts. He's moving himself around constantly just with his arms. Because when that guy, that child, pardon me, or that young man, should I say, was born, his parents weren't thinking this guy's going to be a wrestler one day. Yeah. And now look at him winning a state championship. You know what I mean? It's just incredible.

Talk about- Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. Spirit is unbelievable. Yeah, it really is amazing. It really is. Do you remember there was that guy that was fighting in the PFL

that had one arm? Oh, yeah, Nick Newell. That's right. Nick Newell. He fought on The Contender as well. Yeah. That always pissed me off. Why?

I don't mean Nick Newell fighting with one hand pissed me off, but how can you fight with one hand but you can't fight with one eye? They told you you can't fight?

No, you can't. You can't fight with one eye. But how, like, I always wanted to ask you this. When was your vision first compromised? Was it after the,

it was after the Vitor fight, right? It was the Vitor fight that did it and I slowly started getting symptoms. I was doing this a lot in restaurants. You know when restaurants are dark, some of them. I was doing this, and my friends would be like,

oh, he's doing that thing again with his hands. I'm like, can you see your hand there if you do that? So people are just listening. You have your hand next to your face, and you're moving your fingers around, and you couldn't see it? Yeah, exactly. And then by the end, it was right in front of me there and i couldn't see and it was at that point i

called the doctor but um i fought alan belcher after the veto belfort fight and then as i say as this was getting worse and worse and worse i called the doctor and said yeah you got a detached wetner they fixed that it re-detached i got glaucoma. It was just bad luck. One thing after the other. Anything that could go wrong with an eye went wrong. Yeah. How did you get to the point where you're fighting GSP? Like, how did you pass those tests?

With great difficulty. Lying, cheating, bullshit codes. I fucking lied to so many doctors. I went to England. I was doing some work for BT Sport at the time. Dana was trying to help me out because it looked like I wasn't going to be fighting. So I went over there doing some work for BT Sport.

And I was talking about fighting again. And they said, well, we want to take you to a doctor of our choice. So I said, all right, cool, whatever. And I'm shitting my pants. And I had to do this test where you look into this thing and there's all these lights you know and you push a button when you see the light pop up and i just fucking get i passed it i just fucking guessed it you just guessed it i guessed it and i passed right and then there was another

one they took me to see another doctor and i went in and this doctor was an old indian guy lovely sweet man and there was a guy in doctor was an old Indian guy, lovely, sweet man, and there was a guy in there like an old war veteran who could hardly walk, like about 100-and-something years old, very eccentric old gentleman. And this doctor says, I'm just going to walk this man to the car, go into my office, make yourself at home. I'm like, fucking get in, because I walked in,

and the eye test was there. It was an old-school one. It wasn't a digital one. It was like a triangle you know three sides to it and all you've got to pass is you've got to have 2200 vision to pass which is still clinically blind but on an eye test it's the big one at the top and then the two underneath it's still pretty big so i'm like okay d b e spin it around c d e so i remembered all three and uh the doctor doesn't know that I'm trying to cheat the test.

He thinks I'm fucking trying to check on my vision like a normal person. You know what I mean? So he covers up my bad eye first. And he says, what can you see? Go through it all very good. And then he doesn't move it around. And he says, okay, what can you see there? And that's where these couple of shitty acting lessons

I had paid off I'm like D C E I'm like gets a little blurry after that doc

if I'm honest couldn't see a fucking thing and he's like okay you've passed he said he said listen you've passed to fight

he said but I wouldn't fight he said because if anything happens to your good eye, you're going to go blind. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right, doc. Yeah, well, I'll give it some thought. I'll talk to my family.

Yeah, oh, God, what a situation. Right, yeah. And I walked. I was like, fucking come on. Because it meant I was back. Right. But of course, then every time you fight, you're still going to get checked by a doctor again every time at the weigh-ins you know so that was always very very worrisome so how'd you pass

those they just didn't check very good i mean i i had uh i had a cold with perillo he always came in with me and i said right because all they've to do, because now this is a prosthetic lens, as you know. And I only got this in 2018. So without the prosthetic lens in, it looks awful. Do you know what I mean? It looks worse now than what it did back then. Over time, it's deteriorated and got worse and worse. But I thought, all they've got to do is look at that eye and say,

all right, how many fingers can you see? So I said to Prue, if it holds up one finger, you go, if it holds up two, yawn, whatever, if it holds up three, we just came up with these shitty codes, you know what I mean? But we never had to use it once, because I remember once the doctor, when you can see out that eye, right?

I said, yeah, yeah, of course I can. I said, I've got all the paperwork. Okay, cool. That was it. That was it. That was it. I was like, all right, sweet, cool. Yeah.

Very few people would have still fought. At one eye, that's usually the price where most people are not willing to pay anymore. Yeah. Well, I just moved to America, bought this stupid big house that I didn't need. I had a lawsuit going on with my former management, which was completely fabricated. The legal fees were just incredible. I just, I couldn't quit. I had no choice.

I had to still fight, you know. Now life's great, but back then I was still very much financially struggling. And yeah, all I had, I had to fight this court case, this legal, this lawsuit, and that was costing a fortune.

And it's all I knew at that time. That's one of the craziest stories ever, that you won the middleweight title with one eye. Yeah. And you won it by lying to the doctors. Yeah, I was terrified. I was terrified the fucking, every time I fought.

I mean, I don't want to say too much. Didn't it fuck with your depth perception though? Because that's one of the things that they say. All the time. Like, I'll go and grab that bottle, for example.

Now I'm fine because my brain's touched it so I know where it's at. I can judge it. But the first time, I miss. I miss all the time.

I'm always misreading how far something is away. Do you know what I mean? Right. Because you have the depth perception and everything's in 2D and then sometimes

it can fuck with me a little bit. Sometimes I start getting a little blurry and like, I don't know, I get a little dizzy. Because it's like sometimes, it's only sometimes. All of a sudden I'm like, whoa, I can't fucking figure anything out. What about driving? Driving's fine. But everything's on the right side. Yeah, yeah.

You have to turn to see if someone's next to you in the next lane. All the time. Yeah, if I'm changing lane, I always have to give it one of those. Right. And turn really side. Yeah, yeah. You have to turn to see if someone's next to you in the next lane. All the time. Yeah, if I'm changing lane, I always have to give it one of those. Right. And turn really far. Yeah.

And I'm always hitting people in the face. Like, like, and it's always an old lady. Oh, no. Because of the amount of times, because I'm very animated. Right.

I talk with my hands. Like, for example, I'm at a crosswalk in New York City and I'm in the middle of telling a story and I'm like, oh, my God, I am so sorry. And it's like, I've gone like that into someone's face.

And it's always a little old lady, for some reason. Always, and they look at me like I'm the biggest dickhead on the planet. I'm like, I'm so sorry, I am so sorry. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah. Yeah, but. Is there any hope for your eye no nothing there's

nothing they can do in terms of uh repair well if you look at that wow it has gotten worse yeah there's just nothing there so wow um when i got this done which changed my life in many ways to be honest um i was just sick of looking like that. Do you know what I mean? So you don't see anything out of it? No light, nothing? If I cover up my good eye and the lights go on and off, the shade of blackness changes. So it'll go, yeah, just ever so slightly.

I can tell when the light's gone on and off. That's it. And there's no replacement lenses or anything that they can do? I saw or I heard recently that they're putting in robotic eyes or something like that. Yeah, but I haven't looked into it yet because, you know. Two fake knees and a fake eye.

Yeah, yeah. Imagine if it's better. Oh, no, I know. Could you imagine? I'm fucking back. Let's go. I'm back. One more for the road.

Two fake knees stepping into the octagon. That would be wild. Fake knees and a fake eye. I think they have an electronic eye that they've created that offers superior vision. And I think it's just in the testing phases now. But see if you can find that, Jamie. I'm pretty sure that it is superior to normal eyesight and the way that it interacts with the brain, I don't understand, I don't know, how it interacts with the optic nerves

and the signals that it sends. Yeah, no, I'm sure it is better with the technology that they have. One day. Yeah, no, I'm sure it is better, you know, with the technology that they have. One day. Yeah, no, absolutely. That's why I retired, though, because the doctor said, you know, and they always said, you know, if something goes wrong with your good eye, you'll go blind.

But didn't, after one of your fights, you did have some, we talked about this before. Yeah, the last one, the Gastelum fight. Because I was always cocky, you know. Lightning's struck. A lot of people have fight careers and don't lose an eyey you know that lightning struck a lot of people have fight careers and don't lose an eye you know so that is already struck Latin he's not gonna strike twice and then after the Kelvin Gastelum fight we went to an after-party and I was sitting there and every time I look left

and then look back I just have a flash of light and every time I did it again every time a flash of light I'm sitting in this bar and everyone's dancing and having a good time and stuff, you know. And I'm starting to cry. I'm starting to well up, you know, because I'm like, I'm going to go fucking blind. Even if they've repaired the air, the ice, pardon me, I'm still going to go blind for a month or two while it's healing, you know,

which is a scary concept. So anyway, I'm starting to cry and I can tell. And I'm like, fuck, I don't want people to see me crying, A, because I'm a proud man, but B, because people are going to think, because I just lost a fight, oh, bless him, look, he's upset. So I couldn't give a fuck about losing a fight. Do you know what I mean? I'm going to go blind.

So anyway, I rushed out of the room. Instead of going to the toilet, rushed out of the party and went back to my room. And then Perillo and Daz Morris, a friend of mine, came back to my room and, you know, we had a few drinks and forgot all about it. Had a crazy night in Shanghai. Came to on an aeroplane, flying home.

And I sat up. I'm like, oh, God, I need a drink of water. I said, excuse me, to the air hostess. And then when I looked there and when I looked back, flash of light again. I'm like, fuck, because I'd forgotten all hostess. And then when I looked there and when I looked back, flash of light again. I'm like, fuck, because I'd forgotten all about it. You know what I mean? But yeah, that was a vitreous detachment.

So it wasn't a detached retina, fortunately. But then that was it. I'm like, right, that's enough now. Yeah. How many guys do you know that have eye issues from fighting? Jason Perillo, my coach. Funnily enough enough detached retina yeah he was a undefeated professional boxer and detached his retina but that was you

know medical science come a long way since then the first time I'd ever heard about it was sugar Ray Leonard remember oh really yeah sugar Ray Leonard had detached retina that's why he retired and then he had one fight a comeback fight he was gonna fight Marvin Hagler and he, a comeback fight. He was going to fight Marvin Hagler and he had a comeback fight and got dropped in the comeback fight. I forget the gentleman he fought, but he got hit with a good shot and dropped and got up and stopped the guy.

And then he said after that he had this press conference. He said, I'm done. I believe he said it in the ring. I think he got in the ring. He had a big event and then announced that he was retiring. He's never going to fight again. And then he decided a couple years later, I believe it was, he was going to come back and just fight Hagler.

Oh, really? He came back, fought Hagler, won that fight, and then had a bunch of other fights. Yeah. Yeah, you can do it. You know, I mean, it's just hard. It changes everything. Because when I used to spar, a lot of the time you're hitting fresh air

until you actually touch them, like I said before, with that water bottle. You know, when you actually... Yeah. My brain said, okay, now I've got to gauge on how far it is, and then I'd be fine. And then fortunately for me, it was my lead eye. I stand orthodox. Yeah.

Whereas if it was this way, that'd be my dominant eye because this can still see almost 180 degrees. Yeah, that'd be a real problem. You know what I mean? If you stand orthodox with a left eye bad. Yeah. Whereas if it was this way, that'd be my dominant eye because this can still see almost 180 degrees. Yeah, that'd be a real problem if you're standing orthodox with a left eye bad. Yeah. But it's still crazy that you were so successful with one eye. I mean, how many fights did you have with one eye? About 10, I think. Mike, that's so nuts.

Yeah. That's so nuts. 10 fights with one eye. That is so fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah, I guess. And you won the title. And I won the belt. See, that was the thing. When I lost to Rockhold that first time,

I was blind in the ring. Because what happened was, on my final day flying to Australia in the training camp, I was about to Kimora somebody, and he fucking kneed me in the face on the floor to get out of the submissions. One of my training partners opened up a big gash in my eye. And i got to australia i had stitches above my good eye obviously blind in the other eye and uh i remember day of the fight we're walking into the arena

in australia and as i was walking in someone from the ufc comes running over michael michael michael the doctor needs to see you immediately i'm like like, what's going on? Something to do with your eye. And I'm like, oh, God. Because the stress of fighting with one eye and cheating on all these tests was just unbelievable. I'm like, I'm going to get fucking rumbled at any time. Do you know what I mean? And they're like, something to do with your eye.

I'm like, oh, God, here we go. That's it. I've done my training camp, flown to Australia. I'm going to get yanked from the fight. And I walk in to see the doctor. I'm like, what's wrong? He says, yeah, you've got stitches in your eye, mate. You can't fucking fight with stitches in your eye.

And he just wanted to take the stitches out of the good eye. I was like, there we go. Dodged another bullet. So he just took the stitches out and it's good to go. Took the stitches out. And then in the fight with Rockhold, when we started after the first minute or so, he headbutted me.

Accidental. Who knows? I like to think it wasn't. But he headbutted me. And it started like to think it wasn't but he headbutted me and it started pissing blood into my eye oh no yeah into your good eye into my good eye so i it was like if you take a can of paint put it onto a windshield and put the windscreen wipers on it's gonna just be right it's gonna smudge you know so everything was red and i wiped my eye and i kind of see again the blood would come in and it all go red so I'd wipe my eye And then at some point when I was doing that I guess I got kicked in the head

I had no fucking idea. Well, he used a Question mark kick too. That was earlier in the fight. Oh was it? It was a beautiful kick He hit me with but I didn't see it coming and then he choked me out unconscious. No, no excuse Well guillotine no excuse for that one But that's why that was so hard to take because i couldn't say anything do you know what i mean because otherwise i'd be rumbled of course you know i had to just swallow that one so that one hurt so that's why i always wanted to fight him again because i knew i could do better you know what i mean obviously of course

that's my excuse but it's true well it's true i mean and then the vitor thing is a strange situation because what vitor did was technically legal but everybody knows it's cheating right like vitor was on trt yeah but he was on probably a lot superhuman doses well we know we know he got tested remember he was one of the reasons why trt was removed because they tested vitor and uh i forget which event it was and he was off the charts yeah and his excuse was that he had showed up um he was going to be in america for like a week and a half so he took like a large dose oh really so that because he couldn't take you know his second dose or you know whatever it was i see yeah whatever i forget exactly how he said it but i

remember when they looked at the levels they're like this is not just testosterone replacement this is for sure super physiological this is like not what a normal person ever has in terms of this range of hormones in your system. And when Vitor would fight back then, he was a fucking berserker. Oh, he was great. I mean, because he was already a very good fighter. Very good fighter and just super juiced.

I mean, he was just so aggressive and so ripped, man. Yeah. I mean, that run he went on down in Brazil. That fucking run. Franklin, Akiiyama and myself yeah yeah no it was crazy that was the the juiced Vitor that was a TRT Vitor people to this day they talk about like there's certain fighters like there was a moment you know where a few fights and TRT Vitor is one that people always bring up oh yeah yeah I mean all I thought about then that was Anderson Silva pulled it off, though. But he didn't.

But that wasn't TRT Vitor. Was it not? No. Pull up Vitor versus Anderson Silva. Physically looked very different. Very different. Yeah. Even when he fought Franklin, he looked very different.

Yeah, no, he was... He was... He was like a bodybuilder. Exactly. He looked like a bodybuilder. When he fought Rockhold. When he fought Rockhold and wheel kicked him in the head, he had muscles on his teeth.

Yeah. I mean, they're fucking everywhere. They're on his eyebrows. They're muscled. He was fucking gigantic. He was just shredded. Just veins everywhere. And he looked terrifying.

Yeah. That was when he shaved the side of his head. He was a wild motherfucker then. He's a fucking psycho. And, I mean, everything. Look, see, that's him when he fought Anderson. Oh, you're right. Yeah, he's very lean, though. Yeah, look at the

image of him getting kicked in the face. Yeah. Did not look like the Vitor versus Rockhold. No. That was him off of steroids and then coming back into like, very different, man, if you look at his body. Coming out of, you know, fighting overseas.

He had fought a lot in Pride and, but then look at Vitor versus Rockhold. Well, there's that side-by-side. fighting overseas. He had fought a lot in Pride. But then look at Vitor versus Rockhold. Well, there's that side-by-side. Look that up. Oh, that's the crazy one. That's post-Usada. That's when he fought Weidman.

Yeah, Weidman and Gastelum. I'm going to have to go in the bathroom. Yeah, go ahead, brother. Go ahead. We'll take a break, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be right back. We're back, ladies and gentlemen. So let's's see the Luke Rockhold Vitor versus Luke Rockhold It's kind of crazy when you think about the early days of fighting because in the early days of MMA

Fucking half the people were juiced if not more they were they were look at that of them I mean look at him the difference between the image of how he looked you pull up the photo of him Giving Rockhold that wheel kick, the one right next to that one. Look at that. I mean, come on, son. He's fucking shredded. Yeah, but the documentary that I've got coming out,

you talk about it all day, and you say some very, very good words. Well, you know, what you have done in your career is, it was very extraordinary. And it was extraordinary not just from the sense of the accomplishments. Like, there's a lot of great wins that you had. Kung Lee, Mayhem Miller, there's a bunch of wins where you just, like, dominated these guys with your pace and your endurance. But it was your grit, man, your mental fortitude. pace and your endurance, but it was your grit, man, your mental fortitude. Because you're a great fighter and a great athlete, but there's not a thing that stands out about you other than your mind and your toughness, which is really the thing that

a man should be most proud of. Because if you're born with incredible power or unbelievable speed or you're just an enormous person, I mean, that's a giant advantage over everybody your advantage was just your mind it's an amazing thing and it's cost you your knees yeah you know because that toughness made you train through your knee injuries yeah well thank you Joe I appreciate that it's very kind of you to say thank you um never felt like it to me though never felt like I was making some sacrifice or doing you know or like i was you know showing a lot of mental strength or willpower or whatever

for me i'm just trying to win a fight you know i'm just trying to provide for my family and do everything i can to give them the best life which sounds guys that have no quit you don't have any quit yeah you got no quit the anderson silver fight is a great example of that when you got hit with that flying knee you were trying to point to your mouthpiece again because the fucking eye yeah because the eye because i'm looking at you here if i go there you don't exist to me right so my mouthpiece came out yeah and then i fucking herb dean i'm backing up you're trying to say herb give me my fucking mouthpiece i turn i go my mouthpiece herb and then i look back and and Anderson Silva's in midair.

And it hits me. And he walked away. He thought it was over. Yeah, well, as I hit the deck, beep, the round finished. So Herb jumped in. To be fair to Anderson, it probably looked in his mind like he just knocked me out. Yes. And Herb stopped the fight.

Exactly. So he started celebrating. All hell broke loose. I'm on the floor. I remember I'm all crumpled up on the floor. Blood pouring out of my face. And I look up at Herb and say, I'm not out. And he says, yep, fight's still on. But Anderson was celebrating.

So I wasn't unconscious, but I was definitely down. But then you came back and won the next round. Yeah, yeah. Mike, that was crazy. It was tough. It was tough. I'd even get seen by a cut man. Because of the pandemonium. Where did that fight take place? London.

I don't believe I was there for that. No. I'm pretty sure I was at home screaming. Yeah. I remember watching that. But I'll never forget watching that screaming. Yeah. I'm like, he won the next fucking round.

Yeah. It was difficult. It was difficult. Fuck, dude. You were out. Yeah. I mean, for at least a half a second, you were out. Probably.

I mean, you know how it is when you get hit with a good one yeah it's always the same flash of light yeah flash of light and then you know you're like oh shit i'm back here i am that minute in between was all it took yeah it's crazy i've been there many times like when i fought akiyama i remember he came out boom hit me with a huge right hand, which I didn't see coming, and then all the same thing, flash of light, the thing, and then you don't know where you are, and then you come to, and you're like, oh, I'm in a fucking octagon. There's 20,000 people standing around watching this.

Get your shit together. Pretend that you're fine. And then, you know, 30 seconds or so, you get on your bike, you use your footwork, you dance around a little bit and then it is there it is oh yeah and one of the most impressive uh examples of you and your resolve was the second fight that you had with dan henderson oh yeah because you got clipped in that fight and you could see your gear spinning like not today oh yeah i am not gonna lose the same way there's no way i'm gonna let that guy knock And you could see your gears spinning like, not today, motherfucker. Oh, yeah. Like, I am not going to lose the same way.

There's no fucking way I'm going to let that guy knock me out again. Well, because obviously if you're fighting Dan Henderson, the whole game plan is avoid the right hand. You know what I mean? But like my old boxing coach used to say, you don't go in the rain without getting wet. He's built a career on that right hand. He's going to land it probably.

Yeah, it is. It's wild when someone has like one weapon that's so fucking powerful you know because it's like i mean i think he hurt hector lombard with a left two and then he high kicked him didn't he well no he killed him with an elbow i believe boom and then came back like that yes yeah yeah yeah but i think he high kicked him too right i'm not sure yeah i was warming up yeah on the same night yeah yeah it's uh but that fight too that was another example of your resolve the fact that well you got rocked and you still figured out a way to win that fight well thank you yeah the storm he shattered my orbital in that one did he really

in the first round yeah so the good eye eye or the bad eye? Good eye. Oh, Jesus Christ. So the good eye, there's pictures online, and you see my cheek is out here. Yeah. And in the fourth and fifth round. There it is, yeah. I couldn't see out of my good eye.

Oh, my God. If I moved around a little bit, moved my head around a touch, I could just kind of see a little slit of him, a little angle of him. So, yeah, that last couple of rounds was bad. And then I remember I got back to the hotel, around a touch i could just kind of see a little slit of him a little angle of him so yeah that last that last couple of rounds was bad and then i remember i got back to the hotel and the swelling got so bad the actual eye shut and i couldn't see and that was kind of scary i was in the shower and

i was crying a little bit you know because you go blind it's kind of scary but yeah after about a minute i saw some ice on it it went down power is such a crazy thing like you you can't figure out who has it and who does it and why they have it and why they don't yeah it is crazy like that i mean yes you can train it you can work technique you can get better jamal hill the guy was yeah i mean crazy it's wild his power is outstanding it's just wild it's wild how hard he hits. He doesn't look like a guy that's going to pack a punch like that either.

You know what I mean? God damn, he does. Oh, my God. What did he hit Johnny Walker with? He just went stiff and flying backwards. All of his fights.

Other than Paul Craig. Yeah, OSP. OSP knocked him out. Paul Craig has just got a nasty guard, man. Oh, yeah. But here's the thing about Hill. What a great attitude he has.

There's a video of him partying with Paul Craig after that fight. They're dancing, having a good time together. I had Jamal Hill on my podcast last week, and he's got some funny stories. He's a funny guy, man. He was funny, like, talking about, like, when people were, like, dismissing,

like, Chael was dismissing the shot he hit Walker with, saying it wasn't that big of a shot. He's like, come on. It looked like a big shot. Johnny Walker was unconscious on the floor. How could you say it's not a big shot? Come on. He caught him coming in.

He hit him perfect. He hit him right above the temple, like right there. The guy stiffens up immediately and flies backwards. Jamal was telling us some stories, his street fighting days, like taking on nine guys at once and stuff. He's got some wild stories. You remember Mike McDonald, the kid who's to fight at bantamweight canadian i don't think he was canadian i want to say he was like from northern california okay but he was very slight looking guy like didn't look like a physically imposing guy and went just

murk motherfuckers just one punch ko power it was crazy it was like where is it coming from yeah no it is wild like jason perillo he's a skinny little guy i don't know what he weighs probably 150 160 tops you want to see that guy hit a bag really it's crazy it's crazy how hard he hits yeah Yeah powers. It's such a strange thing as I say you can get better at it You can work the technique, but There's like a god-given ability that some people have yep where they just they for whatever reason They just have this ability to hit so much harder than everybody else It's it's like do you remember? I don't know how much boxing did you ever watch a lot of boxing back in the day?

Yeah, yeah, I mean the big ones the big big ones, you know But I never really watched much sports to be ever see Julian Jackson. No Julian Jackson was a guy like that where His chaos were so crazy Like you hit guys and they would just go like while they're up, to just stiffen up and fall flat backwards. Like, he knocked out so many. He knocked out Terry Norris. He knocked out so many, like, elite fighters. When Julian Jackson would connect on guys. And again, he looked like a great athlete.

He looked like, you know. What weight? Heavyweight? 160, I believe. Oh, right. Julian Jackson, I believe he was a middleweight. But it was just the one-punch KO power that was just insane. And everyone knew about it.

Everyone was terrified of him. And he would hit you with, like, the little short shots. And guys would just go. It's crazy. As you say, God-given. I'm not a religious guy, but we use that phrase. Yeah, but that's that phrase. Just a roll of the dice.

And some guy's got a giant dick. He's got crazy KO power. I've got neither. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just a roll of the dice. And this guy's, some guy's got a giant dick. You know, he's got crazy KO power. I don't either. Oh, neither. Watch this guy. Tiny little dick and no punching power. This is him against Terry Norris, who was elite at the time. Look at that.

Oh. I mean, you see, like, he's stiff in the air. From the first shot. From the first shot. Watch this again. Watch the stiffness. I mean, he's gone. Boom.

Look at that. Gone. That's amazing. I mean, his gone boom look at that gone. That's amazing I mean his his brain shut off from that first punch And he just has it his body hasn't figured it out yet, and then he hits him with two more on the way down I mean there's a highlight reel of Julian Jackson that is fucking insane. I could imagine yeah ten Julian Jackson Before you die oh my god. He was yeah, amazing. I want to say this is probably, was it the 90s, Jamie? Does it say?

Say what year? 89. Right. Terry Norris was a good one. Harold Graham was a good one. He fucked Harold Graham up, too. I mean, he was just, this was a good one, too, because he was stepping back in the Harold Graham fight, and I think he was losing that fight.

Watch this. Watch this KO, because it is fucking wild. Harold Graham think he was losing that fight. Watch this. Watch this KO, because it is fucking wild. Harold Graham moves forward. Back it up. Watch this. Bam! Boom! Wow. That kind of shit. And that's how you know you've got real power when you can do it going backwards. Yeah, I mean, he did that to everybody. Everybody

who hit clean went night-night. Look at that guy. Crazy man. Doesn't know what day it is. And that's that kind of weird gift that some guys have i mean if you look at francis in ghanu he has power like that but look at him but it's obvious it makes sense it makes sense yeah if you're going to pick someone that's got punch power yeah it's going to be francis and garner every time but when you're looking at someone who's 160 pounds kind of a lean a frame and they can still do that that's where it gets really interesting yeah no it's it's crazy it's crazy how some people just have it yeah i'm really hoping that dana and francis come to some

sort of an agreement and they let francis box tyson fury that's what i'm hoping yeah i want the man to get that giant crazy conor mcgregor style payday me too me too and for the payday it'd be great i mean i don't i wouldn't fancy him in the fight. With respect to Francis Ngannou, that's not someone I want to piss off. Listen, I would not want to piss him off either. I want him to get the opportunity to get a lot of money. Yeah, 100%. But if you looked at who he's boxing,

I mean, Tyson Fury is one of the most skillful boxers ever. He's unbelievable. Who just happens to be 6'9". 6'9", 84-inch reach, I think. And crazy light on his feet. Have you seen how fast he is? Yes. My God.

And he can take it. The balls are steel as well. Can take it. You know what I mean? What he did against Deontay Wilder when he got dropped in that first one. Yeah. He got up, and I thought he was going to dance around. He's going to stay away.

He won the round. And he went forward. He pressed the action. He got dropped, almost knocked unconscious, got up, and won the rest of the round, which is crazy. Well, that's why in the rematch. He knew what to do. He knew what to do because he said, I walked him down after that because I had no choice. He said, if I backed up, he might have got me again.

So I had to say, fuck this and go forward. And then he realized that guy doesn't fight that good backing up. Correct. And then he put it on him. But even in the second, the third fight rather. So he beats him, knocks him out in the second fight. And then he had all kinds of crazy excuses. His costume was too heavy.

He got poisoned. I hate that. I hate it too. I hate it. Yeah. But then he fights him in the second, the third fight rather. And in the third fight, he gets dropped again. And he gets dropped hard.

And dropped twice in a round. Tyson you mean? No. Yeah, Tyson. Yeah, yeah, yeah and then eventually but puts him out yeah like where there's no if ands or buts about it when when fury put him out at the end of the fight like you there can be no doubt like yeah i mean i hate it when fighters do that when they come out and they got all these excuses i mean that was bad for deontay it was Talking about the costume and his legs were weak. Tyson Fury said when he knocked him out

that his elbow was so fucked up before that fight that he couldn't even hit pads. Tyson's elbow? Yeah. Like, if he missed the pads, it would be excruciating pain.

Yeah. Yeah, because me and Tyson, we had not a bit of beef. We went back and forth on social media a long time ago because we're from a similar part of the world,

you know. And after that Deontay Wilder fight, I had no choice but to send him a DM saying, wow, you have my respect. Because he's some of the gypsy community. There's a lot of gypsies where I'm from. And apparently on Twitter, but I lived in America at the time, Tyson was saying,

I got knocked out by Gypsy John outside a nightclub in Blackburn. He's like, oh, you don't talk about that one, Mike. Talk about you getting knocked outside a nightclub. I'm like, what are you talking about? I live in America. But yeah, even still. So it was just a made-up story? Yeah, just a made-up story.

Yeah, yeah. But even after that fight, I had to message him and say, wow, incredible. It was incredible. He's so unusual because of the length and the height, but also the movement For such a big guy

And he doesn't He's another guy Like you look at him He doesn't look like An elite athlete He's got all that back fat It's always Like big love handles

He's not what you call An athletic specimen No No That's part of what's scary about him Like he takes his shirt off He doesn't give a fuck Doesn't give a

There's that picture isn't there It shows Somebody really in shape And then there's one of Tyson Fury. The elite heavyweight athlete or something is Tyson Fury. His belly's gigantic. He's got a pizza in his hand, the beer. It's brilliant.

Love it. Well, he talks about how he would go out at night and drink fucking pints and pints of beer, and then in the morning, fuck everybody up. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. It's crazy. He's that good. It's skill too it's like he learned the skill of of how to put knuckles on someone's face and it's like it's

but the the skill is evident i mean yes the feints that he uses i mean against clitch card i don't know if you saw that one i mean it just faints constantly constantly and you don't know how hard that is to do that cardiovascular theiovascular. Yeah. The strain that that puts on those. Because they're short. They're only microsecond movements. You know what I mean? But they're explosive little movements. Because you've got to sell the faint.

And to do that for 12 rounds. Yeah. With a body that size. And then, of course, with the output on top of that. It's not an easy thing to do. And then sing afterwards. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, he's quite the showman. He's such a character. Heman. He's such a character. He is. He's such a... I love that guy. I fucking love him. And I really... I know that Usyk

is supposed to fight Joshua. I mean, who knows what's going to happen now because Usyk is literally fighting the Russians in Ukraine. Oh, I know. I mean, him, Lomachenko.

Lomachenko, Vladimir, Vitaly Klitschko. Yeah, Vladimir, Vitaly, all of them. God bless those guys. God bless them. That's amazing. It's crazy. It's incredible. God bless those guys. God bless them. That's amazing. It's crazy.

It's incredible. Those are real warriors. Fuck yeah. I mean, they didn't hesitate. That puts everything into perspective. Yeah. You think you've got problems? Yeah.

You think? Have you got fucking 200,000 Russians at your doorstep? Right. With tanks? Yeah. And warships and helicopters and all that shit? Fuck me. That whole scene is so horrible, and who knows how that plays out.

I mean, it's such a scary time. Well, Putin's kind of backed into a corner, isn't he? Exactly. You know what I mean? He's got to do something. That's why he's... What, did he put the nuclear threat on high or whatever it was?

Well, they sent bombers to... See if you can find this. They sent... they sent bombers to see if you can find this they sent putin sent um hypersonic nuclear capable bombers to venezuela so these bombers are essentially on our doorstep why venezuela because it's close to us oh really yeah because it's close enough to us to i mean essentially this is what i've been reading about this and watching videos about this for the last few months, or the last few weeks, rather. And what this is all about, for the most part, is NATO and Ukraine.

So 2018, Russian nuclear air-capable bomber aircraft fried to Venezuela. So they've been doing it since then. Oh, wow. So they've had them there forever. So he sent these supersonic nuclear bombers back then? So is that where the footage is coming from, that it's not coming from more recent footage? A lot of that stuff has been being repopulated now,

I guess would be a way to say that. Oh, I see. How wild is that? So he was sending these supersonic... I didn't even know he had supersonic nuclear bombers four years ago. What the fuck's a supersonic nuclear bomber? Well it's a bomber that is

capable of flying faster than the speed of sound which is terrifying. Terrifying. Yeah. I mean those guys there I mean just civilians picking up guns in the street and fighting the Russians. I mean that is wild. And a lot of those people that we just mentioned, they have a way to escape.

They can leave, but they're saying, no, fuck that, we're staying and fighting. And it's so inspirational, it's so scary. I mean, I heard, my wife told me yesterday, the orphanages, they're really suffering because the workers have just left. So there's kids, orphans, alone in orphanages with no one taking care of them. Do you know what I mean?

It's just so messed up. Oh, my God. In this day and age, it's just crazy. Oh, man. Yeah. And where does this go? I mean, what happens if China decides to invade Taiwan while this is happening? And then we got...

World War III. Yeah. It's possible. I mean, who knows? North Korea, China, and Russia. It's a wild time. Wild time indeed. It's a wild time.

And like we were talking about with Hamzat, people that come out of that kind of struggle from... Well, there's that meme, isn't there? Have you seen that meme that's going around? These kids, these Russians grew up wrestling bears, doing this, I don't know, a bunch of tough stuff. We have grown men doing fucking TikTok dances. Yeah, we're going to set this...

Hold on, let me find it. My mate sent it to me. I think there's enough savages in America that that kind of balances out. Oh, yeah, for sure, for me find it. My mate sent it to me. I think there's enough savages in America that that kind of balances out. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure, absolutely. But there's a lot of pussies here. Russia has soldiers who box trees and wrestle bears and kids talk weapon handling in schools.

We've got grown men dancing on TikTok and men who are scared of telling their girlfriends that they're out at the pub. I think we'll sit this one out. But it's fucking true. It's true. It's true, but I think the terrifying thing is

if it all comes down to nuclear war, toughness does not... It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter. But that's... What's scary is, like, if someone's willing to shoot missiles

into apartment buildings and do the shit that Putin's already done in Ukraine, what... Like, where's the line? Like, where is he willing to draw the line? Well, that yeah you know because he's trying he's posturing well not posturing but with all the nuclear stuff i think he's posturing because the ukrainians from what i hear are doing a pretty good job you know fighting them off yeah uh i mean there's a lot of people dying of course

on both sides i believe but i'm sure if he can't go in and take out Ukraine, it's not going to look good on the world stage, is it? No. So therefore, it backs him into a corner. I was also reading or watching a video, rather, where this guy who lives in Ukraine was talking about how there's a secondary problem that happened from the government handing out all these military weapons

to everybody. It's that a lot of criminals got these weapons. So now robberies are going up and all sorts of other crimes are going up. Like they haven't got enough problems at the moment without that as well.

Yeah. Oh, God. It's horrific, man. The whole thing is chaos. It puts things into perspective. No, it really does. Yeah. As I said before,

you think you've got real issues, real problems. It all pales in significance. Everybody kind of forgot about COVID. Yeah. Yeah. No, youes in significance. Everybody kind of forgot about COVID. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right.

Even the State of the Union address. The president, no one there is wearing a mask. No one wore a mask. They stopped wearing masks. A few weeks ago in England, everything's done. Yeah. Literally no restrictions whatsoever. Yeah.

No. Whatsoever. Wow. So that's good. So your film, there's a documentary about you that Adam Scorgi did. Love that guy.

When does it come out? March 15th. March 15th. March 15th, I think. Is it going to be available everywhere? Yeah, so it's Universal Studios

releasing it. Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. Video on demand initially. I don't know. Okay. Video on demand, VOD. Yeah, like Apple. Oh, that's great. I did it years ago Mike I don't remember how long ago it was in 2018 it took forever I don't know why it took so long but yeah I'm happy with it and it's not just all about

I guess it is to a certain degree how great I am you know what I'm saying I know it was called built for this and then some of the producers got together and they were like, no, we don't like this. We don't like it. We think Bisping and then Universal liked that.

I was like, all right, whatever. Did they film it after you retired? Yes. Like right after that's when they started? 2018. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it was good.

It was good. A lot of people, you know, lent their time. I mean, some of the words from michael jar white he's on there he says some great stuff i love that guy oh he's amazing very insightful though he talks about the challenges of going through life as an alpha male you know what i mean and what's kind of expected from people like that and stuff so yeah no there's there's some it's it's surprising i think for some people. It's the emotional journey. What is it like having someone examine your life like that

and have all these people talking about you like that? It's weird. It's weird. I'm weird sitting here talking about it. Ooh, my documentary. Do you know what I mean? But, yeah, I mean, it's nice that it's celebrated in such a way. I mean, the producers and everyone involved did a tremendous job and I'm very happy

with it but yeah it feels weird I don't I mean people say I'm an arrogant bastard but I don't like to sit here and talk about myself all the time you're not arrogant plenty of other people to talk about do you know what I mean the way you can tell if a man is arrogant is like how does he behave once he's retired

you're a pretty fun guy you're easy to go on you were just driven and intense no I was and that guy doesn't exist anymore isn't that wild

it's wild it's wild to me I don't sit around and watch my own fights but occasionally I've been flicking through the TV it was about

two years ago now I was going through the TV my son Lucas was in bed with me and he's never watched any of my fights he's not interested. He couldn't care less.

He just makes fun of me all the time. We have a great relationship. You know what I mean? We just bust each other's balls all the time. It's great. And I was flicking through the TV, and the Kung Lee fight came on. I said, Lucas, watch this, watch this.

And he was like, he left the room after a few minutes. He's like, how could you do that to another person, Dad? That's what I'm saying. We got to war with Lucas. We're fucked. We're all dead. But he went out of the room after a few minutes. He's like, how could you do that to another person, Dad? You know, that's what I'm saying. We got to war with Lucas, we're fucked. We're all dead. But he went out of the room, and then, of course, I carried on watching it, because you do.

And at the end of it, I'm calling out, you know, everyone under the sun, calling out Rock Alton, I'm going to be the champion one day. And I'm like, fucking this guy. Jesus Christ. I knew I had one eye. And where does this confidence come from do you know what I mean so even that fight

and the Kung Lee fight you had one eye yeah yeah yeah wow yeah but it's like you know

that guy doesn't exist anymore and even now commentating I sit there obviously you know you've done it for many many years I sit there and I call these fights

and I think these people are fucking crazy. Do you know what I mean? I see some of the action, some of the shots, but they're lying. I'm like, wow. I mean, I love it. I'm like, wow, these guys are crazy. And I think, oh, yeah, I used to do that.

That fight, Petrosian versus Rodriguez? Yes. Where Rodriguez caught him with that head kick. Oh, yeah. And busted his nose wide open. He was just huge. Hold on. Remind me.

How did that end again? Who won? I think Petrosian won a decision. Petrosian won, yeah. But fucking the blood is everywhere. It was crazy. Yeah. No, I know.

I know. And that Rodriguez guy, I mean, he's a jujitsu master. He's got high level jujitsu. Fucking nasty stand up. Standing there fucking going toe to toe with a kickboxer. I'm like,'s got high-level jiu-jitsu. Fucking nasty stand-up. Standing there fucking going toe-to-toe with a kickboxer. I'm like, dude, shoot a takedown. For the love of God, what are you doing? But what a fight.

What a performance. Yeah. No, it was wild. That was wild. That was great. It's just there's so many fights that, like, while you're in the middle watching the fight, you're like, holy shit.

Yeah. Like, just holy shit. That's what I'm talking about. It does blow my mind what these men and women do. I mean, I get it, of course. I mean, I've been there. But it takes a special kind of person to go in there and do that. And that's why I have so much respect for everyone that has the balls to step in there and do it well that's one of the things that i really truly love about what the ufc has done with their commentary team is that they

brought in guys like yourself guys like paul felder yeah dominic cruz daniel cormier you know all these guys that are these elite fighters that also are great at broadcasting and the guys they have sit on the desk too yeah you know same thing it's like you they're giving all this work to all these former fighters yeah and they're so insightful there's so much they can talk about that you know some just regular sports commentator can't do in this there's a thing about this sport too where when regular sports guys try to come in and use like regular sports guide jargon everybody's like get the fuck out of here with that shit too polished too perfect they don't want to hear not like nonsense that you would say like disrespectful talk about like a basketball player or a baseball player not hustling when you

start saying that about fighters like you gotta yeah like i guess what you're talking about there was the famous one with stephen a smith yeah that that was a good one. That was a good example of it. After the Conor and Cowboy fight. There was a big backlash over that. They get used to talking like that. I like him a lot. Yeah, me too. He's great.

He's a personality. He's a personality. He's going to bring in non-fight fans. Yes. So that's what they're doing. They're trying to get that crossover. I see it. People are like,

what the fuck is he doing talking about mixed martial arts? It's like, dude, we're trying to grow the sport, trying to make it bigger. And he's going to be instrumental in doing that. And I think as long as he's talking to someone that is an expert, like if he's talking to Cormier or someone like that, like Cormier can straighten out any misconceptions he might have. Yeah. You know, he brings the big personality and he's a guy like, that's his thing.

He's Stephen A. He's got a hot take. He's got a hot take. He's got hot takes. You know, and that's why he's rich, right? He's a hot take guy. That's what he's doing. He's very insightful about a lot of sports and obviously loves MMA, you know?

But MMA is a, it's not a game. MMA is a, it's not a game. When someone pours their, like, Zhang Weili versus Ioanni on J-Check. Remember that fucking fight? Crazy. Jesus, chaos. Oh, my God.

When that fight was over, you're like, that wasn't a game. No. That wasn't a game. Those two women fought for their lives. Exactly. They poured, they emptied everything they had out into that octagon. It's so, it needs so much more respect than any other sport.

And fights like that, you only have so many of those in you. Right. Only so many wars. Because as you say, you leave a piece of yourself in the octagon. When you go through something like what they did, five rounds of just absolute war. I mean, you see the state of Joanna's head afterwards. I mean, it's crazy. Oh my God. Incredible. It's crazy. Crazy. And as you say, you know, you don the state of Joanna's head afterwards. I mean, it's crazy. Oh, my God. Incredible.

It's crazy. Crazy. As you say, you know, you don't play that sport. Yeah, it's not like a guy, you know, didn't guard the goalposts well enough. You know, it's not like a guy dropped the ball in the infield. That's not. It's different, man. Yeah, that's why people talk about motivation in fights.

I said, well, my primary motivation is not to get the kicked out of me on national television international television you know yeah i want to win of course i want to win i want to excel my career but at that moment in time when they say fight you're trying to be offensive but defensive at the same time it's you or them you know kill or be killed was there ever a fight that you went into forget about just the the eye injury which obviously a giant compromise but was there ever a fight besides your eye injury where you went in we had no problems nothing wrong with um yeah early in my career yeah early yeah yeah but later on I don't know that's something that most people who are

casuals don't know well yeah in my UFC no, because I blew out my PCL five days before the Ultimate Fighter finale. Really? Training with George St. Pierre, yeah. Yeah, the old Zufa office on Sahara in Vegas. Yeah, we were wrestling then. I forget how it happened, but I blew my PCL five days before. So from there, yeah, my knee was always bad. Did you tape it up before you fought?

Like, how did you fight with him? No, I didn't. No, I just went in there and did it. I was fighting Josh Haynes. Come on. I can't beat him with a torn PCL. I don't deserve to be in the UFC. No offense, Josh.

How dare you? Oh, my word. Well, that was 205, too. Yeah, 205, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just part and parcel. I mean, to train for a fight. I mean, wrestling. It's all wrestling. That's the hardest part and parcel. I mean, to train for a fight. I mean, wrestling.

It's all wrestling. That's the hardest part. Yes, it is. The takedowns. It's the hardest. Like, my son, he's had like five surgeries now. He's never been punched in the face once. 20.

That's crazy. It's crazy. All my injuries are from wrestling, other than the eye. You know, all wrestling. My neck, I remember I was doing a takedown. And as I went down, I smacked my head on the floor. You know, obviously neck I remember I was doing a takedown and as I went down smacked my head on the floor you know

obviously I did my knee with George wrestling so wrestling wrestling is so tough yeah most of the guys

that I know that are high level jujitsu guys they fuck their necks up training with wrestlers and you know you get punched

and kicked in the face you might get a black eye you know you might get a cut or whatever but that stuff heals. The wrestling injuries, they're deep, internal, long-lasting hardships.

Yeah. I mean, how many of those guys, like those elite wrestlers, as they get older, like Dan Gable. Like Dan Gable, he's got two fake hips, fake knees.

And I didn't have a wrestling career. I wasn't a wrestler. I supplemented what I did with some wrestling. Right. You know what I mean? That's one of the more impressive things about George, that never wrestled in high school, never wrestled in college, became one of the best wrestlers in MMA.

Yeah, it just goes to show. Yeah. If you dedicate yourself to it. And George is so intelligent too like he's such a he's such a smart guy in terms of his approach to training you know oh absolutely and the thing is wrestling is hard to learn that's why most of the time you do start so young because you can format the brain in such a way that you can learn that because i remember trying to learn wrestling single legs and stuff like that.

I can't get power into this. Right. So sometimes if I'm doing a single leg I put my head on the outside because at least then I could drive my shoulder into it. So obviously you're going to get

caught in a guillotine if you do that. But doing it with the head inside I was like for ages I'm like this is bullshit. This doesn't work. How am I meant to take somebody down like this?

I'm like what are you talking about Mike? Come here. And the wrestling coach would just take me down. I'm like it's fucking easier to punch someone. So yeah it's hard. you talking about mike come here and the wrestling coach would just take me down i'm like it's easier to punch someone so yeah it's hard hard to learn you know the fact that george got so good at it from not wrestling as a child is is impressive it was the thing with striking too it's some for some people and i don't know why some people can

figure it out but for some people when they're learning striking later in life they never develop that kind of fluidity that a person like like a floyd mayweather for example oh yeah that like from the time he was a small child he was learning proper technique yeah we're gonna have rhythm yeah you need rhythm if you're a striker not that i'm the best dancer i'm not but uh yeah you gotta have rhythm you know and if you haven't got that just like punching power you haven't got it or you haven't if you haven't got the rhythm as a striker if you can't move you haven't got that, just like punching power, you either haven't got it or you haven't. If you haven't got the rhythm as a striker, if you can't move, you haven't got coordination, then you're going to struggle, I think.

Yeah, well, one of the things that's interesting about guys like Lomachenko is that his father took him out of boxing for years and made him do Russian or Ukrainian dance. Right, yeah. And so this Ukrainian dance moves that they did, that's part of the reason why his footwork is so fucking impressive, which is a giant part of his game. Oh, no, it's a huge part of it.

I mean, his footwork's just incredible. It's dancing. It is. To a certain degree, you're dancing with your opponent, you know. Fighting's like a dance. So UFC 3, where you won the Ultimate Fighter 3, rather, where you won the championship, what year was that? 2006.

So from 2006, isn't it wild when you look at the change in the games of these fighters? Like how much more, there are so many guys that are coming up, like, where you're seeing them for the first time in the octagon, like one of their first fights, and you're like, Jesus Christ, these people are so good. Calf kicks. Yes. They didn't exist. Even when I was fighting, I've never taken a calf kick.

I have no idea what they feel like. They look like they hurt. Because people fall on the floor, and they get red and swollen, and they look nasty. There you go. I mean, that's the evolution of the sport. Well, do you remember who the first person you ever saw throw one? I don't.

For me, I'm pretty sure it was Benson Henderson. Oh, of course. He was one of the early guys. Yeah, he was one of the first guys I saw use it. But it didn't seem as effective. And it didn't take off overnight. Because I remember seeing Benson doing it. And I used to think, oh, what's he doing?

Because he never, you know, because I've had people throwing weird kicks at me over the course of my career. I'm like, stop doing that shit, please. Like I used to have one sparring partner

would be here and he'd lean down and he'd jab my thigh or whatever. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Jabbing my thigh. You're just trying to make me look stupid, aren't you?

You know what I mean? And I used to see Benson do that. I think there's no impact there, but I was wrong. Well, it's crazy how it just all of a sudden took over the sport. I don't know what year it was. I mean, it was a few years ago, though you just started seeing everybody throwing calf kicks. It's the ultimate calf kicking championship now because you literally can end the fight. You can't take too many of them the only

person i've ever seen who could take them and it doesn't seem to have as much of an effect on him max yeah when he fought volkanovski volkanovski was eating his calf up and he just kept switching stances and kept moving the damage that it does though yeah it's crazy yeah i mean of course then you've got the nerve issues as well and the peroneal nerve as we saw with uh o'malley that's one thing but just the sheer pain it looks so painful yeah that happened at chandler too remember in bellator his uh really calf gave out his foot his foot dropped and they stopped the fight because he couldn't walk good because it's like it's just from the calf kick yeah because people always say to me you know i say always say to me but often you get talking to someone kick yeah because people always say to me you know I say always say to me

but often you get talking to someone and you find out you were a fighter you know oh what was that like does it hurt getting punched in the face

or whatever it's like well no not really I'm not trying to sound tough with the adrenaline and stuff and you get kind of conditioned to take it and punch to the face but leg kicks

you feel leg kicks and body shots punches to the face unless it knocks you out or it's a really really good one You know you just take him a son of a bitch whatever Lever shots are the weirdest because you can get hit sometimes really hard and it doesn't find it Yeah, totally fine

And then sometimes a good swift left hook to the ribs Yeah And you just have that bolt goes through your body and you can't fucking move. It's the angle that you landed at as well. You get it kind of going up. If the person's breathing in as it's connected as well, that'll play a big factor in it. But yeah, the equivalent. A good body shot, down you go.

Did you see that Koreskov knockout the other day? No. Who's that? Oh, my God. He used to be- Oh, Koreskov. Oh, sorry. Pardon me.

Andrei Koreskov.kov. Oh, sorry. Pardon me. Andrei Koreshkov. Yeah. From Bellator. Yeah. That spinning back kick. Didn't see, but I know he broke five ribs.

Bro. Yeah. It's one of the craziest ones I've ever seen. Because you see on the impact, his foot is just deep into this dude's rib cage. Oh, let's take a look. And it's... Look at that. It's Chance from Encounter, who's a tough fucking dude. Tough fucking dude.

So when you see him go, look at that. Like, I mean, it is just in there. It's the heel. The heel right into the rib cage, shattered five ribs. Five ribs. I mean, that's a nightmare. Oh, tremendous nightmare. Good luck breathing for the next few months.

And it's where he nailed them. It's like right where the liver is, too. It's perfect. No, it is. Watch this. Look at the speed of this. I mean, boom. Oh, my God.

It's right in there. Oh, horrific. Five ribs. Yeah. Yeah, body shots. I've torn cartilage in my ribs. Yeah, I did that once. That's a horrible thing.

You can't move good. I've broken them, but the tearing of the cartilage might be just as bad as breaking them. Final day before I flew to New York for the George St. Pierre fight. No. I tore a cartilage. Oh, that's right. You were telling me that you were thinking about trying to shoot it up.

Yeah. With lidocaine. Lidocaine, yeah. Yeah. Never did that one, fortunately. Well, yeah, I mean, imagine. The doctor said, oh, you can, I think we talked about this last time. Punch your lung.

Punch your lung and die. I'm like, all right. Weight is up right here. No, you're good, thanks. I appreciate it. I feel like you would have to go really deep to puncture your lung, though. Yeah. I think maybe he was just being scared.

Yeah, probably. Because it seems like if you're going into the cartilage, it's kind of right there. Well, that's what I thought. I thought it's just like there. Do you know what I mean? I feel like if someone did it for you. By a centimeter or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If someone did it for you. Yeah, but me, he's just thinking, he's a bloody knucklehead, isn't he? He's just going to go, uh, and stick it right in. Do you know what I mean? Right, like you're tranquilizing a rhino. Yeah, exactly. Oh, uh, stick it in me.

There we go. No, Michael, it's only it in me. There we go. No, Michael. It's only on the outside. But yeah. Is it difficult to go from this guy who's just completely obsessed with winning and fucking people up and being a champion, and then you disconnect from that and you go to being a commentator and a regular guy like do you do you miss having like some ultimate quest in your life a thing that you're chasing or do you feel satisfied with what you accomplished yeah um a bit of both you know because i'm still

still uh now i'm just on to the next thing in my life you know it's not over I'm still trying to be a success still working on many many projects but I do miss you know when you're training for a fight I miss the mission of it you know what I mean

so you get an email from the UFC you're going to fight this guy on this day in three months time you sit down with your coaches you watch the tape you formulate a game plan.

You get the whiteboard out, train this day, train that day, strength and conditioning there, run there, wrestling there, rest day here with massage and whatnot. And then you all,

you go through a two month training camp and you all get together on a plane, you fly off to the other side of the world with your brothers and you go to war. I miss that. It's fun it's fun you know what i do miss that but i don't miss being a fighter necessarily but i miss that side of it i miss the challenge that's great well i think it's because you did it you know you got it all in yeah like you you know obviously with the wear and tear that's on your body you did you left it all in the octagon yeah

but then you're on to the next thing in life now you know i mean i'm very very lucky you know i mean you mentioned the ufc bringing in former fighters i'm so grateful for that because there's so many fighters and athletes you know when they're when they're done what are they doing you know and that always scared me you know because so many people they uh life doesn't work out for them yeah Yeah, that is the beautiful thing about the UFC, what they've done. I really love that, that they've given these retired fighters a legitimate career. Like, DC's got a great living. He's got a legitimate career as a commentator.

A lot of fighters, they struggle. I mean, DC also has his wrestling, too. He's coaching a lot of wrestling. But many fighters, when it's over, they don't know what the fuck to do. Their whole identity is wrapped up in the fact that they're competing. It's hard. It's hard, and you're absolutely right. And a lot of people fall into ill ways and things like that.

You see it all the time. It's a slippery slope. So, yeah, I mean, for me, I was lucky because of my eye issue. I knew I was trying to set up some things whilst I still had a platform, for want of a better word, because nobody gives a damn about a washed-up former fighter, the ten a penny. Right. Because I knew I was on borrowed time,

so I was trying to do as many things as I could to try and earn a living outside of fighting. You know, unfortunately, it all kind of paid off. But, yeah, no, it's tough. You know, it's not for everyone. It's a hard way to make a living. Yeah, and you know, we all kind of paid off, but yeah, no, it's tough. You know, it's not for everyone It's a hard way to make a living Yeah, and you know, we all know so many guys who go the wrong way where it didn't work out or they stuck around Too long. Yeah, that's a shame that

Mean like with you one of the things is you still have your faculties about you a hundred percent So you could you know, you're at talking you you can articulate things well so many of the guys that we know they they get to a certain point and then they keep going and they they should have stopped and then they keep going even further and they should have stopped and then you know you run into them one day and they'll say something to you and then you you keep talking and they'll say that thing again yeah yeah you realize like oh my god they don't you know i'm laughing because i repeat myself sometimes but that's because i'm an idiot not not because of cte or anything like that but i get accused of that a lot that's why i started laughing but yeah no it's sad yeah but it's a it's a tough way to make a living and people want to criticize

the ufc or they want to criticize boxing we know we're doing. We know what we sign up for and we do it. We welcome it with open arms. Do you know what I mean? Because this is our chance. This is what we're good at. This is what we're blessed with, these abilities, these talents, you know? And so we do it and it is a sacrifice, you know, and you don't necessarily know at the time maybe what you might be signing up to in terms of your long-term health, but that's the roll of the dice. You dare to be great. Yeah, it is a roll of the dice. And the glory that someone gets from the fact that they accomplish something that just the tiniest percentage of people, I mean, what fucking percentage of people on earth get to be a UFC champion?

I mean, it's one of the smallest percentages of any accomplishment a person can do. Yeah, but, you know, like, these days, a lot of people don't give it the respect that it should, that it deserves.

You know, I'm talking about missing weight and things like that. My son blew out his meniscus and still, and then he got heavy

and then he got COVID. You know, he got up to like 220-something pounds. He wrestles at 197 and he had a tournament, and then he got COVID. You know, he got up to like 220-something pounds. He wrestles at 197. And he had a tournament come up, and he had to cut weight. He didn't get paid a penny. He got no entourage with him.

No team of people helping him cut weight. But he still made weight. And then wrestled 30 minutes later. Wrestled like shit because, of course, you can't wrestle well. And then he made weight again a few days later. You see a lot of people coming in not making weight these days because it's cool. They see it on TV.

They want to be a part of it. They want to be famous. They want to make some money. Fucking respect the sport. Show up on weight and in shape. It's obviously there's a science to weight cutting. Who did you work with? Did you work with Lockhart or Dolce?

No. I worked with Dolce for a little bit. Yeah? A little bit. Yeah. There's a science to that shit, though. Yeah, absolutely there is. Yeah. I mean the guys that are really good at it like Dolce and Lockhart, they know exactly how much water you should be taking in, exactly how much sodium, they weigh you, they check your nutrients, they know what they're doing. But some guys, they just think, I can make the weight.

I'm just going to sweat it out. And it's dangerous. Unfortunately, we haven't seen it in the UFC. A loss of life. People die. People die. A guy died in Brazil a few years back. I've been there.

I felt like I've been close to death. Really? Yeah, absolutely. At 85, right? Yeah, at 85. Yeah. What were you walking around at when you were fighting at 85? It depends.

When I first went down there, I knew nothing about cutting weight. So I actually dieted. I saw Eddie Bravo, my first ever middleweight fight. It was UFC 83, Sarah and GSP. I was fighting Charles McCarthy. And I dieted down to 185 pretty much, about 188 because I was a fucking idiot. The team I was with at the time didn't know anything about it.

And I remember I went down in the morning to have the weight checked because they always used to bring you down early to see where you're at. And I remember I got in the elevator and Eddie Bravo was there. He said, how's the weight? I said, oh, I'm about 187, 188. He said, oh, how was the cut? I said, oh, I haven't done a cut. He said, what? He said, you can make 170. I was like, shit, I'm about 187, 188. He said, oh, how was the cut? I said, oh, I haven't done a cut. He said, what?

He said, you can make 170. I was like, shit, you're right. So after I got knocked out of Dan Henderson, I'm like, hold on a minute. I've got to change some things here. So I started cutting. If I got on a plane on the Tuesday to fly to whatever city it was, if I was 200 pounds, I was happy. So 14 pounds.

So when you were 188, did you just kind of starve yourself and shrink everything down? Yeah, exactly. So did you feel weak, weaker? Every time making 185, to be honest, you start the camp. It's so detrimental to the sport, I think, cutting weight. I think so too. I would love to see everybody move up. I would too.

I would start my camp. I'd feel strong. I would feel great. And then by the end of it I'm so weak and pathetic do you know what I mean I was getting thrown around the place yeah my cardio is good but I'm not strong or explosive you know I guess I was because you're draining yourself no carbs yeah working my ass off two three times a day with no carbohydrates you're gonna lose muscle you're gonna get weak you're

gonna be over trained that's exactly what I was doing. And a lot of people, a lot of people do it the same way. And it's kind of, it's just moronic. Do you think that when you fought Charles McCarthy and you get down to 188, was that as good? Like what was better? Like was it getting bigger and then drying yourself out and then rehydrating? Probably not, no. I mean, yes, that gives you a perceived size and strength advantage, but everybody's doing the same thing. So you're not really at an advantage. I remember I went down to 185 and I was like,

oh, I'm going to pick it on these little guys now. And I squared up against my second fighter, it was Jason Day. I remember seeing Jason Day in the office where you sign all the posters like Motherfuckers taller than me. What's all this shit? I was fighting small guys Jason day was good to me. I thought Alan Belcher and finished him from the guard. Yeah. Yeah, that was good. Yeah So, yeah nice, it's just it's just weird culture that we have but we're kind of you're damned if you do and damned if you Don't yeah that we have, but we're kind of, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You know? That is a great way to put it because there's so many guys that do cut weight

that you're forced into that situation. Yes. But I think, you know, I know one FC has tried to curb it. I don't know exactly how effective it is, but I know they've instituted some sort of a hydration protocol where you have to be hydrated and they check your weight.

It's the same at schools, wrestling at high school. There's hydration tests every so often. There was supposed to be a rule, wasn't there, a while ago where you had to be within 20% of your weight. You only had to be over by 20% of your body weight. Right, like X amount of days outside of the fight. Yeah, but then it went away. There was talk of that coming in, I think, athletic yeah california athletic commission i think i think

that's right yeah yeah and then it just went away there was also a thing about rehydrating like you couldn't rehydrate too much like you couldn't be x amount of percentage over what your weigh-in weight was because everyone used to use ivs. Right. And then they took that away. Yeah. But everyone still carried on doing the same amount of weight cuts. You know what the craziest thing I ever heard? I know a guy who, he took blood out of his body. Oh, really?

Yeah. So that's crazy. Crazy. It's crazy, isn't it? But they put it back in after the weigh-in. Yeah, so it's like blood doping. Is that an advantage? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I was going to say, it's blood doping.

I don't know how many days, like when they do blood doping, how many days do they keep it out of your body and let your body recover? Let's find that out. When someone does blood doping, how many days do they keep the blood out of their body before they put more back in? Because the whole idea is like your body has a certain amount of blood that it likes to keep in your body. So if you drain your body of of a few pints of blood,

and then you have them sit in a refrigerator, and then your body replaces that blood, and then you put the old blood in too. You've got more blood. You've got more blood. So you've got more oxygen cells. Which is why the cyclists take EPO. So I wonder how long it takes for your body to make that blood though.

Because you would think if, say if a guy, like this guy that I had heard, I don't want to say his name, but I heard that he took two. Chael Sonnen, just saying. It's not Chael. I'm joking, I'm joking. It's not Chael. But Chael would do it if it worked. I'm not even.

I had a conversation with Chael right after he got popped, and he goes, you know those tests that they do? Turns out they're really good. Those tests are really good. Hey, fair play. Fair play. He just owned it. He's a funny fucking dude, man.

He's a funny guy. He changed the game in terms of letting people know that shit talking is incredibly profitable in MMA. Yeah. Because before him and that shit that he would talk with Anderson Silva. Oh, God. That was legendary, though, wasn't it? Legendary. What was he?

He was trying to feed the carrot to the bus? Fucking. Oh, that was with Minotaur. Oh, Minotaur. Yeah, I know. Hilarious. This is the most detailed explanation I could find of like two sentences. Okay, what does it say?

I can't read that without my glasses. Stored RBCs. Stored one to seven days before a high endurance event. So, like, if a guy does that and makes weight, and then they take the blood out, they store it for a day, and they put it back in the next day,

as a significant amount of iron is removed by each autologous autologous transfusion, an adequate time for recovery is not less than three days. Of not. Oh, of not less than three days. Interesting.

From the last donation, inappropriate iron supplements. Oh, this is about iron. Okay. Usually required for patients undergoing autologous donations. Nearly 50% of autologous donations are not used by the donor and are discarded. Oh, wow. Anyway, so this guy,

to make weight, they took bags of blood out of him. And one of my friends walked in, and they were doing it in the fucking hotel room. And one of my friends walked in and saw them taking blood. He goes, what the fuck are you guys doing?

He's like, this is how he makes weight. And how much blood are we talking it says uh a liter of water is one kilogram well liters a lot man that's a lot that's a liter of blood a liter of 1.05 just a little bit more than one kilogram um but i mean how much can you take out but two two two two pounds, that's real weight. No, that's a lot. I remember, this reminded me of a story. You know, Dean, I'm a singer, right?

Sure. Yeah, yeah, great guy. Shout out to Dean. Shout out to Dean. Great guy. He's not going to like me telling this story, though, but it's true. I was in Sydney, and he's like, Mike, are you doing an IV after the fight? I said, oh, no, I wasn't going to.

I said, but I'd take one. And he said, yeah, yeah, no worries. I've got you. I've after the fight? I said, oh, no, I wasn't going to. I said, but I'd take one. And he said, yeah, yeah, no worries. I've got you. I've got you covered. I said, all right, great. So he comes to the hotel room, and he'd just done a course in it, did all of it, so he wanted to do it. Turns out his skills in doing IVs wasn't very good.

Started sticking fucking needles in my arm. He messed it up, and there was literally, literally, just a spray of blood coming. And I'm standing there, I'm going, Dean, is this normal? And he just covers it up with his finger and then he's like, he talks a little and then lets his finger off. Blood spewing out again. He goes,

Mike, just cover that up. I'm going to go get help. And he comes up, he has to go get his buddy. A nurse? Yeah, a nurse or whatever comes back and takes care of it. I'm like, Jesus, Dean, I'm fighting tomorrow. The nurse you met, a nurse or whatever comes back and takes care of it. I'm like, Jesus, dude, I'm fighting tomorrow. The nurse you met, she gives me IV vitamins. It's fucking complicated. I've never done that stuff.

Do you feel good after it? Yeah, I learned it from Dave Chappelle. Oh, in fact, no, I have done it, yeah. You did do it? Yeah. One training camp, yeah. When I would go on the road with Dave, Dave Chappelle parties. He's drinking all night, and then the next morning, he goes,

Joe, come on onto my room. We're going to do some IV vitamin transfusions. And I go, is this what you do? He goes, oh, yeah, you got to do that if you party. And he gets rid of the hangover. Yeah, because he does glutathione, zinc, vitamins. I've got to try this. It's great.

I've got to try it. And all the liquid, too, just having all that IV saline getting into your system rehydrates you well but you feel fucking good I mean it really brings you back

yeah no I will try it where do you get that though if someone like me wanted to try that there's a there's a service called driphydration.com

that we would use in LA I know that they they they they travel to people. They'll do that shit for you. You're always doing that with your neck. Is it still fucking with you?

Yeah, I'm in pain all the time. Is there anything you can do other than surgery that helps that or do you just have to? Probably. Have you done spinal decompression or anything like that? Yeah, no. No? no yeah I'm my own worst enemy yeah I have a guy going on at me all the time about doing some treatment on my neck I'm just too busy I haven't got time I'll be fine a lot of

the time it doesn't help I've really I've done treatment and it hasn't helped you know I used to go to one place every week and get works on two three times a week and it never made a difference. Do you have, with your discs, is there disc tissue that bulges, or is it deteriorated? No, I don't think so. It was just a nerve being pinched, I think. Right, by a bulging disc, right?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I know a herniation, that's what it is. But, yeah, just the compressed nerve is just causing issues. You might be able to get away with, there's a thing called Regenikine that I did when I had a bulging disc. Right.

I had a bulging disc to the point where it was making my fingers numb, like these two fingers, because it was the ulnar nerve, I guess. And it goes like down through your elbows. I would get elbow pain. And I didn't think my neck's fucked up because I knew my neck was fucked up,

but I was like, the elbow pain, what is this? And when I got it checked out, it turned out that this disc was pushing against the nerves, and that nerve was causing my finger to get numb. And they fixed it with the thing called Regenikine. That was like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant. It's like a more advanced form of platelet-rich plasma. Okay, so PRP yeah Yeah, and so they take your blood and they run it through the centrifuge and they they treat it for I think it's 10 hours And then the next day you come back and then they inject it into the sites

like they they have these needles that they put into your neck and they they into the sites. Like they have these needles that they put into your neck, and they have these little screw tops, and they screw into the top of the needle, and they push it in there and push it in there, and it's pushing this liquid that is the most potent anti-inflammatory drug known to man, apparently, and it's made from your own blood. And so your body accepts it very quickly. There's no worry about rejection.

And so your body accepts it very quickly. There's no worry about rejection. And it causes those areas to relax, and it causes the inflammation to die off. And then the disc kind of goes back into place on its own. It worked with me. I had a fucked up neck like that for a whole year. I remember you saying, I had an epidural just before, when was it, October. That worked because I've had them in the past and it did nothing on

This occasion I did one and it works when went fine the pain went away completely So you might want to look into this before you go and get more surgery neck fix it There's a place called life Lifespan lifespan medicine in Santa Monica can't believe I couldn't remember the name. Maybe I fucking had it. Lifespan. But I've gone to them dozens of times. And I've had stem cells done there and PRP or rather Regenekine on my lower back, my mid-back, and my neck. You have a lot of stuff done. I can't. I'm proactive.

No, good for you. Good for you. I'm the opposite. I'm too old school like that. I always have been. I don't do anything. I wish I stretched more when I was a kid, do you know what I mean? Or when I was training because now I can't even reach back here to put my collar down when I put a tie on. I'm a fucking mess. And every Monday I'm like, okay, that's it.

Changing my workouts. I'm going to do mobility training. I'm going to do this and that. And chest and biceps. Let's go. Come on. Yeah, try to look good. I know, same shit.

You ever do yoga? That's on the list as well. I've been talking about it with my daughter because I'm too nervous to go, do you know what I mean, because I've never done it before, and I don't want to walk into a room and it's all, you know, a bunch of hot chicks all in lycra and I'm walking in, belly hanging out, trying to, you know.

So I said to my daughter, I said, would you mind? Because she goes. She loves it. I said, I'll come with you one time. Would you mind? She said, no, no, absolutely. So one day, one day this year I'll do it. Yeah.

I hear it's great. It's great. I know you love it. I do. I haven't done it in a long time, though, honestly. I haven't done it since I moved out here. But I found a place. I'm going to start doing it because a lot of my comedian friends out here started doing yoga and they're like god damn man changed my life really yeah yeah it's a good workout as well it's a great workout and it calms you down who is it who uh the guy nick he had the

jiu jitsu guy from south africa He had a great quote, Greek gentleman. He said, yoga is a martial art that you do on yourself. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, makes sense. See if you can find the, so we could credit him with that quote, because I fucking love that quote. He was on the podcast way back in the day.

He used to be on London Real. London Real. Yeah. I've heard of that. It's a podcast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was one of the co-hosts in the early days, but he left and then the guy who runs it now just runs it by himself.

Yoga. I've been talking about it for a while. Got to do it. Yeah. Got to give it a try. How do you say his name? Gregori. Gregoriadis.

How do you say that? Gregoriadis? Nick Gregoriadis. Yeah. I hope Gregoriadis Nick Gregoriadis yeah I hope I didn't fuck that up sounds about right very nice guy though and very talented

jiu jitsu guy martial art you're doing yourself yeah the fight is not against nature the fight is against habits yeah tell me about that one yeah

I'm fighting against my habits every day everybody is fuck me everybody is that's the battle that's the battle with yourself

but yoga I mean I found out about yoga from Hickson. Watching Hickson in that choke documentary, I was like, oh. That's one of his secrets. One of his secrets is that he was so good at yoga. And essentially, you just get way more flexible as well, right? Way more flexible, way more motion, way more mobility, way more range of motion,

and strength in unusual places. Also the ability to breathe through tough positions. I think that's very important because yoga involves a lot of breath work. Did you see that documentary on, was it Bikram Yoga? That guy is crazy. Yeah, that guy is out of his fucking mind. Out of his mind.

One drop of my sperm is worth a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. People will give me a million dollars for one drop. I mean, the bloody confidence of that guy.

I know. Come on. And to say that with a camera on you, imagine. Camera pointing at you, he's like, my jizz is worth

a million bucks a drop. Ha! My God. Yeah, no, he was kind of a character. Yeah, kind of. He's hiding. Is he really? Yeah. He's on the run still. Yeah, he can't come kind of a character. Yeah, kind of. He's hiding. Is he really?

Yeah. He's on the run still. Yeah, he can't come to America. If he comes to America, they're going to arrest him. Made a lot of money, though. Made a lot of money. Made a lot of money. But that's the thing is, like, some people are not all bad.

Like, he's definitely, like, according to these ladies, he's a piece of shit. But he did bring, like, a style of yoga and popularize it to america and i'm sure changed a lot of people's lives as well yeah he just got a little carried away well he's fucking insane if you listen to him talk yeah the guy's an egomaniac i can't remember it too well i mean i did watch it at the time when it came out but it's so contradictory to what you think about yoga you think of yoga as people being peaceful and kind and open-minded and loving, spiritual,

and he's a fucking pervert. He's talking about how much his jizz is worth and just trying to fuck everybody. It's crazy. He's a man. Come on. He's a man at the end of the day.

Let's be honest. He's doing his yoga. He's doing all that, but it's all about the jizz, Joe. It is a lot about the jizz, but it's also him. He's not like Bentleys and shit. Oh, I know. I know. It is a lot about the jizz. But it's also him. He's not like Bentleys and shit. Oh, I know.

I know. It's not exactly the spiritual guru that you think he is. Most of them aren't. No, no. It's hard to find the ones that really are. There's one that I follow on Instagram now called Sad Guru. Yeah, he's coming on soon. Is he really?

Yes. Yeah, I follow him too. I'm actually just finishing one of his books. Right. Oh, really? Yeah, he seems very wise and very legit and but you never know that's what i'm saying that that was the comparison i was making i follow him i like what he says the quotes that he comes out with definitely make me think we both

posted the same video that he uh it was like a video one of the things that he was talking about i forget what it was yeah but we uh we both posted really okay yeah struck a video, one of the things that he was talking about. I forget what it was. Yeah. But we both posted it. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Struck a nerve with both of us. Yeah. He's got a lot of those. There's quite a few of those online where he says some really interesting shit.

But so did that Osho guy, that guy who ran that cult up in- Who's that? Oh, here he is. Oh, yeah, this is it. Oh, yeah. Play that real quick, Jamie. Here we go. Your whole life is happening between these three dimensions memory present experience and imagination this is your life isn't it these are three dimensions

we call them three color three dimensions of time all your experience of life is happening here but if you lose distinction between what is past, what is present, what is future, then everything hurts. But not everybody terrible things have happened. Unfortunately for a few people, they have happened. But the rest of the people are simply suffering something, isn't it? Because it's fashionable to suffer. People think if they're suffering, they are very intellectual, they are very profound.

No, it's just stupid because you're suffering something that doesn't exist. You are not suffering what's happening right now. You're suffering what happened yesterday and you're suffering something that may happen tomorrow already. So this madness has been increased simply because we never train people how to use their faculties. Your whole life is happening. Interesting. So true.

I mean, how many people know how to think about things correctly, how to manage the way your mind works? It's very important, especially if you're stressed out. Absolutely. But as you said, it is very fashionable these days. Yeah. To be suffering, you know. It is. A little bit of attention.

Oh, I'm going through hard times. Yeah, and they love to wallow in it. Oh, I feel sorry for themselves. I need a pee again, Joe. Go ahead, brother. I'm sorry, bud. Go ahead. I drank a lot of coffee.

Yeah, listen, I did too. You're all good. We'll be right back once again, ladies and gentlemen. When you were fighting, you got water. Yeah. When you were fighting, did you follow any like specific nutrition program or anything? I would love to say yes.

And I know I'm not sounding very smart here, but I was just, no, I didn't. No, no. Just old school. Fucking old school. You're old school to the fucking bones. I know, I know. I'm an idiot.

I'm an idiot. No, not really. I mean, a few times I've worked with nutritionists. Yeah. Like I remember when I first moved here, I got up to like 237 pounds. I was fine at 185 against Mayhem Miller in eight weeks. And it wasn't a pretty sight either. There's not a jacked 237 pounds.

Tyson Fury, 237. Yes, there you go. You nailed it, Joe. And yes, I worked with 237 pounds. Tyson Fury 237? Yes, there you go. You nailed it, Joe. And yes, I worked with this nutritionist, and it was essentially just a keto diet, even though that name wasn't popularized back then. I'm sure it was around, but it wasn't the buzzword what it is now.

But essentially, it was just a keto diet, yeah. The problem with that diet is for the adaptation period, right after you start it, a lot of people have a really hard time working out oh it was horrible yeah horrible i would show up and it would be like everything was like it was in quicksand or underwater you know you're trying it was just so labored no carbs yeah no carbs no energy no recovery body aching head to toe yeah it's hard it's a hard way to uh train and get ready for a fight. Yeah, I think for high-level performers,

it's pretty much been established that you need carbohydrates. Have to have it. Have to. Have to. The problem is, you know, too many carbs makes you gain weight. Yeah, yeah. Even my friend Zach Bitter, Zach is he holds the world record

for the fastest 100 miles run on a track. Wow. He ran 100 miles in, I think it was 11 hours and 40 minutes. And he did it running under a seven minute mile. So that's like four marathons almost. Yeah. Almost.

Yeah. And what was the time again? I think, we'll find out what Zach's time was. That's insane. He just moved to Austin too. Oh, he's... A hundred, I mean, just running a hundred miles. Yeah.

Period. Regardless of how fast or slow is wild. It's wild. Yeah. I think it's, I want to say 11, 18. Which one? 11 hours and 18 minutes? He's got a couple hundred mile records.

He's also got the one on the treadmill, and that's the one that popped up first. Oh, what's that one? 12 hours, 32 minutes. Yeah, he's definitely ran faster on track. Right. I think it was 11 hours. Hold on. So running on the track was faster than the treadmill?

It was probably his first one, the first time he did it. Right, yeah. Because typically, treadmills assist. A little easier, yeah. Unless, yeah, have you ever used those ones like the Air Runner? No. Oh, that's fucking great. It's, okay, current world record holder, 11 hours, 19 minutes.

That's it, in 13 seconds, 100 miles. So that's an under seven minute mile. Wow. For 11 fucking hours and 19 minutes. Oh my God. He's an animal. That's insane. But what I was going to get to is that he eats mostly meat.

Oh really? He's on like a carnivore diet. Right, right. So he mostly eats like fatty ribeye steaks. Which is bizarre. Yeah. Considering the amount that he runs. I know.

But he thinks it's the most nutrient dense food. And then when he goes to compete and do things like that he'll take like glucose gels right and he'll eat things like that where he gets he gets plenty of glucose plenty of carbohydrates like the day of a big event but for the most part his diet consists of mostly red meat so when he's going to compete he carbs up yeah he carbs up like before a big event like running 100 miles why only meat just simply because that's just the healthiest what he likes and thinks is the healthiest? I think it really depends upon you.

I think for some people a vegetable-based diet or a pescatarian diet or some people it's great. You did it for a while didn't you? I'm doing it now. Doing it now? That's all I do now. I gave up on other diets. I mean I'll occasionally have a cheeseburger or some shit. Steak.

Steak and eggs? steak steak and eggs taking eggs yeah yeah i take plenty of vitamins i'll take like um i'll do athletic greens you know mix that in a for water i get vitamins from that i take um i'll have berries and fruit i'll eat apples and bananas and stuff like that but that's it i don I don't fuck with any bread. I don't fuck with any carbohydrates, like pasta and stuff like that. It's delicious, though. The best. The best, I know, I know.

The most delicious. Bread and pasta, it is the enemy. It is, but I eat the same shit every day. I try and go until about 2 o'clock, 2 p.m. in the afternoon. Intermittent fast. Yeah, yeah, not every day. Not every day, and I'm not psycho with it,

but I try to, because I just feel more alert when I haven't eaten, when I'm fasting. But then it's always chicken sausages, eggs, bacon. That's it, yeah. And then a little low-carb wrap. That's not bad. Because I've got to roll it up and make a little sandwich out of it. But yeah, yeah. If you put a bowl of spaghetti with sausage in front of me,

I will scarf that motherfucker down. Yeah, yeah. That's my weakness, is pasta and pizza. I eat pretty good. But... Well, you stay clean. I drink too much still. I don't drink a lot.

I don't get hammered. You know, I know I have this reputation, but I don't go out getting shit-faced. I used to. I used to. That's for damn sure, you know. But I still get a little bit of wine in the evening, which is pointless

You're fucking fasting all day But you're not fasting Because you're drinking wine Right before you go to bed You shouldn't eat Three hours before I know you're not supposed to But when I have a steak

With a glass of wine It makes me so happy You gotta have a glass Of red wine with a steak I love it Come on It tastes so good It's like what are we doing here

I know that's what we're doing here I can't have a fucking glass of wine Right that's what I'm saying With a steak That's what I'm saying Are you serious What the fuck's the point I'm gonna work my ass off And get to this point in doing here. I can't have a fucking glass of wine with a steak? Are you serious? What the fuck's the point?

I'm going to work my ass off and get to this point in my life and not allow myself to have a glass of wine? I remember watching George, there was a video that they did, one of those UFC

Unleashed or whatever the fuck it was, it was like they would interview him while he was on his training camp and then they went out to dinner with him and

then he was having a glass of wine after training. He was like, I don't think there's anything wrong with a glass of wine after training he was like I don't think there's anything wrong with a glass of wine after a long

training session it's a good Joseph yeah it's terrible no it's good it's better than mine it's better if he was right here

I'd listen to it are you intoxicated yeah that's what he said to you yeah that's what he said to me you were a little I fucking was

without a shadow of a doubt without a shadow of a doubt I'm in Las Vegas yeah we're not fighting we haven't even got a date right we haven't even got a date

for the fight if you man up and tell me a date for the fight I'll switch on right but I'm in Las Vegas right and I've got nothing to do

get a couple of beers and one leads to another and from there it's a slippery slope and then all of a sudden you're showing up for a press conference late

Michael you're intox up for a press conference late. Michael, you're intoxicated. What is your problem? Shut up, George. Leave me alone. Stop bullying me. But George would drink a glass of wine. He would have a nice glass of wine. It's good for you.

Yeah, he would do that. He would do that when he was training. You know, I mean mean in the middle of camp he'd have a glass of wine supposed to be good for you good for your heart I think when you're training that much

whatever negative aspect whatever negative thing that alcohol does it's probably balanced out by the fact that it relaxes you you know it takes a little

the edge off maybe sleep a little easier I never used to drink in camp ever but there was always one night where I'd fuck up did all the every camp there was always one night where I'd fuck up.

Every camp there was always one night. And it would start with that, I'll have a glass of wine. And then a second glass of wine. And the next minute I've done two bottles. I'm like, shit. How far out? Oh, halfway through the camp. Well, John Jones said a thing that was really interesting when I talked to him.

He said that he would self-sabotage before a fight so he'd give himself an excuse if he lost. I've seen people do that. There was a guy, a friend of mine, shall remain nameless, and MMA was his life, and he was so talented, he was so good, and he got an opportunity to go on The Ultimate Fighter. Sorry, he was going to, you know, they have those auditions. But he had a great personality, a tremendous wrestler, sick jiu jiu-jitsu good strike and he would have killed it the night before because i i was uh i was doing something i came back in the morning

he was going to the airport he could hardly string a sentence together he was so fucked up and he would do things like that every time like me and my wife saying why does he self-sabotage like that do you know what I mean? Common trait. Some people just do. Well, some people, the pressure of performance is just too great. Their mind plays tricks on them. And like Sadhguru had to say, some people just don't know how to use their faculties.

And so when their mind plays tricks on them and they start having all the stress that they have to handle, they don't know how to just relax and just go, yep, this is part of the process. And it's an easier way to confront the failure. Yes. As opposed to them just not being good enough. Right. They've got a reason why they failed. Right.

You know. Well, John admitted that. I mean, it was easy for him to admit because he never lost, right? Oh, yeah. He had done that every time but never lost. But then, you know know that's a thing like like what is going on there like why are you doing that like why are you partying the week before a giant fight like one of the things that he said with with daniel cormier was kind of

hilarious and he goes i did coke yeah kicked your ass i know i know that's a little insulting isn't it you know you take yourself very seriously, and this guy's out there doing cocaine and partying all week. And fucking up everybody. Wild. Dude, when he was at the top, his fucking talent was so undeniable. I mean, when he opened, I remember I was in Newark when he fought Shogun, and so he's 22 years old.

He's fighting for the title, youngest ever champion. And, you know, Shogun. And so he's 22 years old. He's fighting for the title. Youngest ever champion. And Shogun was a legend. He opens up the fight with a flying knee. A flying knee. And he just destroyed him. Beat the shit out of Shogun. The fact that he was that young and that good. What do you think he does at heavyweight?

We have to see. It's a different world. It's a different world, first of all, that he doesn't have to cut weight anymore. So maybe he's way healthier. Maybe it's way better. But it's a different world with the power. You know, I mean, if he goes right into Ngannou,

if they set that up right away, I mean, I don't know what's ever happened to him in training camp, what kind of giant heavyweights he's ever sparred with. I mean, maybe he's been hit by big guys like that before. I don't know. I mean, maybe he's been hit by big guys like that before. I don't know. I mean, John always could take a tremendous shot. He said at the Hall of Fame thing that he was, right before he got arrested, that he was 265.

Yeah. I mean, is that going to slow him down? He's going to be the same? He's going to have an effect on his cardio? 100%. That's what I mean. What is he going to do at heavyweight? There's so many questions.

I would assume that he's going to do great because, listen. He's a great fighter. Look how great he's been in the past. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? That's not going to go away. This isn't going to go away. No.

The aggression, the ability to pull the trigger when he needs. So what? He's going to be a bit bigger. Well, all the intel that I've ever got from guys that trained with him and said he would ragdoll heavyweights, and he was doing it while he was a light heavyweight champion. He would throw heavyweights around. People are like, you don't know how good John really is.

Out of camp, light heavyweights are heavyweights. Yes. You know what I mean? He's probably walking around 230, 235. That's a good-sized heavyweight. Compared to McCain, right? McCain, with a significant amount of body fat, was always in the 240s. Yeah.

You know, and he's one of the greatest of all time. I mean, look at Fedor. When Fedor was at his top, he was like that, about 240. Oh, Fedor could have made 205 easily. Oh, yeah. Easily. Not that big a guy. Yeah.

There's a lot of guys that just don't want to cut the weight or, you know. They didn't have to. That's what I was just about to say. They're comfortable. So, fuck that. I don't need to do that. I want to fight the bigger guys. Yeah.

I want to be a heavyweight, you know? It's an interesting conversation. It's like, what is the optimum weight for heavyweight? Everybody would say it was around 240 until Ngannou came around. And then you're like, you do not want to give up 25 pounds to that man. Greg Hardy started his cut on Tuesday at 295 pounds.

Whoa. 295. I mean, what are you doing? I mean, I'm not criticizing the man. Wow. He's just a big guy, obviously. Oh, he's huge. You're a heavyweight.

You don't have to cut weight. But then you cut, all right, maybe a few pounds. I know Taito Iwasa does a few pounds. There's lots of heavyweights that are over 265. Yeah. But coming in and having to do a 30-pound weight cut as a heavyweight, that's insane. Yeah. But coming in and having to do a 30 pound weight cut as a heavyweight, that's insane. Yeah,

how about fucking Tai Tuivasa taking out Derek Lewis like that? That's wild. Wasn't that wild? He's really turned a corner. Yeah.

He's really turned a corner. I mean, he's always been a great fighter and fun to watch, but there's something over the last like four fights

that fucking guy has really turned the corner. Well, he's been in training in Dubai. And I don't know if that's what it is. I don't know if he's technically getting better or things like that. But he's definitely been in Dubai for a while. Came to the UFC.

He was doing great. Had flying knee knockouts and stuff like that. And then lost to Sergei Pavlovich, was it? I think he got choked out by him. He had a couple of bad losses. And it was like, oh, all right. But then now, now he looks like a, he is a contender. Doesn't look like a contender.

He's a contender. You beat Derek Lewis like that, you're top three, right? Absolutely. You know, it's funny. And to face plant him in Houston. I know. In his hometown. That fight was crazy watching on television.

But the roar of the crowd and the commentary and everything, you couldn't hear the thuds of the shots. Somebody has a video. It seems like cell phone video that is like right there, cage side. Of Lewis hitting him on the ground or the elbow? Both of them hitting each other. They're in the middle of the slugfest.

It's like a shitty cell phone video, but you hear the whomp, whomp, the shots they were laying on each other. Because those shots that Lewis hit Ty with when he was down. I was like, oh, because I like Ty. I mean, how can you not like Ty? And I like Derrick Lewis, of course, as well. But I just, I know Ty a little bit better. Do you know what I mean?

We're friendly. You know what I mean? Oh, fuck, poor guy. He survived. He's about to be finished. And then he just said, nope, screw this. And then come up guns blazing, just swinging for the fences when he stood up. He didn't, like, stand up and run and try to get out of there.

No, no, he got up and fought fire with fire. Yeah. And did it well. But the shots that he ate from the biggest knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division. Derek Lewis has knocked out more human beings than anyone in the history of the fucking sport. Crazy. Clean as well. Oh, dead.

Curtis Blades? No, no, no, but I mean without juice. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Without juice. Dude, he told me he has low testosterone. Like Vitor Belfort, he's 12. You know, when he beats, who did Derek knock out? UFC 12.

Dawkers, Chris Dawkers. When he beat Chris Dawkers, I interviewed him on the mic and he said you've now got 13 knockouts in the UFC. The most in history. He said yeah. He did it clean as well. He did do it clean. Yeah. And he told me when he was on the podcast that he got tested and he has low testosterone. Really?

And I was like how the fuck do you have low testosterone? How is that even possible? When we used to have UFC Tonight. You know that show on Wednesday night, they had a little phase. They had one of those old punch bag machines. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you see at the fairground.

And everyone that came on, we would put them on that. Derrick Lewis hit that thing, right? And I swear to God, when the ball goes up and hits the frame, the metal thing, the thing, say if this is the base when it hit ever since like they came off the ground that's how hard he hit that

fucking ball hit it like that and then a little bit off the ground I was that holy I would like to see him punch that machine that the apex Center has yeah yeah you know that Francis Ngannou has a record for a score yeah 40 miles an hour or something. I don't know if that's real, though. No, me neither. That doesn't make sense. I think the math is screwy. You know why the math is screwy?

Because I beat that with a kick. Whatever that number is that he hit with a punch. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, I hit it harder with a kick. So there's no way I kick like an escort. That's not true. And it was only a roundhouse kick. It wasn't like a turning side kick or anything.

So I think their math, like when Dana was saying that, I kick. It wasn't like a turning sidekick or anything. So I think they're mad. Like when Dana was saying that, I was like, Dana, you might want to stop saying that. Just check your facts. Yeah, I think you might want to talk to a scientist. Yeah. Whoever's, you know, it's not like Dana and I are out there with lab coats on. No, for sure. Exactly.

And who's tested how hard a Ford Escort hits as well? It was getting hit by it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't think so. I think if they drove a Ford Escort going 30 miles an hour into that fucking punch machine it was a blizzard yeah i would obliterate fly apart there's no way that's the same no amount of force it's not possible into a fist no way come on you're gonna go through the person no yeah there's no way there's no way i mean it's fucking crazy power yes crazy power but it's there's no way no

i i have bad memories hitting those things i remember at a fairground i went to oh yeah and i missed and i hit the base i did that i broke my knuckle up i did the same thing i hit the thing on top of it yeah exactly exactly yeah those things are stupid there's a funny video though of a girl doing it and she swings and hits her boyfriend right in the face and his face is so far away from that bag. You got to go. I wonder. I was going to say, how do you miss that and hit your boyfriend in the face? She stepped in, like step forward, swung, missed the bag entirely and hit him right in the chin. If I was him and I saw that video video i'd be super suspicious yeah i mean i haven't seen it can we get it up jamie by any chance i would like to see this

because i'm i'm trying to give some input on it i mean it could be just terrible timing and bad luck and all the above but there's something about the way she connects right on his fucking face that makes me wonder i'm gonna say a good shot as well. That's a good shot. Oh, yeah. Not a bad shot. I mean, she steps into it and everything. Right.

Misses the bag. Here we go. This is it. This is it. Oh, I see. Look how far away his face is. He's nowhere near. Nowhere near.

Watch this. Oh, come on. Come on. Do you think that was one of those, you know, those stupid social media pranks where they're trying to pretend? Do you think so? Yes. Let me see it again, Jamie. Let me see if he really gets hit.

Let's break it down. We'll figure it out here. Yeah, here we go. Let's break it down. Let's see. He's nice and slow. What's he looking at? He's looking at the bag.

No, he's not. Or looking at the counter, maybe. Why? Because he wants to see what her number is. Why is he there? Because he's her boyfriend. That's not the best place to stand. Well, it's not a bad place to stand if someone's actually hitting the bag.

It's the best place to stand to be in frame. Right. Right. Oh, I see. Okay, let's see the impact. Here we go. Slow it down. And...

Yeah. I don't know, man. Oh, hold on. It's an uppercut as well. Oh, no. It's a hook. She fucking hits him, bro.'t know, man. Oh, hold on. It's an uppercut as well. Oh, no, it's a hook. She fucking hits him, bro. Also for the views. But it's a hook, right?

So if I'm trying to hit the microphone there, she's coming off to the side. Yeah. She's not even aimed at the bag now. She already turned towards him. Let me see. But she's looking at the bag, dude. Well, look. Watch her feet. Watch her feet. But there's no way she could miss. Watch her feet as she turns towards him. Let me see. But she's looking at the bag, dude. Well, look. Watch her feet. Watch her feet. But there's no way

she could miss. Watch her feet as she turns towards him. Okay, here we go. Here's the windup. She's just getting closer and closer. I think she just sucks. Maybe. Maybe. I think she sucks and she hit him right in the face. Dude, I think she sucks and she hit him right in the face. Or she fucking hates him and she wanted to hit him. I mean,

if you swing a punch hard as you can and you don't know what you're doing you're going to be off balance yeah you know you're swinging those haymakers it's not i mean it's a bad mess but it's not i don't know joe plausible i think you you want you really want to believe this go ahead i think it's totally i mean what kind of man lets a woman haul off and punch him in the face like that just for a TikTok video? You get that money. There's a lot of money.

Depends on how viral you go. Oh, come on. How viral is that? But people would just share that and steal it. And now we're talking about it on this show. There you go. And who would do that? But this is Jamie.

Jamie's Captain Tinfoil. He puts that tinfoil hat on for every video. Somebody told me on Twitter today, make sure you bring your tinfoil hat today. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, they think I talk about a lot of conspiracy theories. I guess I do. But if you look, if you talk long enough. We're the conspiracy guys. We think this

is a conspiracy. You're like, no, it's true. It seems true to me. I don't know, Joe. The way he hits her, or she hits him rather, she's hitting him full blast, right in the kisser. And he takes it well. Not really. I mean, what if that video keeps going on and he just crumples to his knees?

There's a lot of delayed knockouts. Smacks it back. There's some good fucking fights this weekend, Mike. Oh, yeah. Rafael Dos Anjos is fighting Renato Moicano. That's another good one. I think that's a catchweight fight. 160. Yeah, why is that? Who took it short notice That's another good one. I think that's a catchweight fight. 160.

Yeah, why is that? Who took it short notice? Moikano? Tuesday. Oh. Took it on Tuesday, yeah. I think I'm right in saying that. I'm pretty confident in saying that.

Who was supposed to fight? Raphael Fazeev. Oh. He's got COVID. Oh, he's got COVID? Yeah, he's got COVID, yeah. Yeah, I saw a tweet from him and a picture.

He's in bed. He's got chills. Oh, that's... his bones are aching and stuff so yeah he just flew from Thailand I think to get here

got here and came down with COVID oh that sucks that sucks I thought Islam was going to step in that would have been amazing oh my god

if he just fought and then fought again but he's so close to a title shot that seems crazy like what if he turns an ankle and fucks his, you know, who knows? Yeah. He's right there.

I feel like in a – Also, I heard Dana say that Islam's going to fight Benil Dariush next. Oh, really? Yes. I asked him that in the ring. I said, would you contemplate that fight again? I forget what he said now. I think he said no. He said,

I'm just focusing on the belt. But then Dana said this week that Conor will probably fight for the belt. He didn't say probably. He said may fight for the belt upon his return. That is so crazy. Islam Makhachev must fight Benil Darius next since he turned down Rafael dos Anjos.

Oh, so he turned him down this week? After he allegedly flip-flopped on a short-notice replacement fight on Saturday. What? So he's punishing him for not doing something stupid? Because that's not a wise move to fight in the main event. You're right about to fight for the title.

Wow, he put his hand up to fight Dos Anjos in a bout that has been cancelled three times before. Dos Anjos was all in on the situation, even offered to move up to welterweight to alleviate the pressure of makachev for a big weight cut the momentum died there though because shortly thereafter it was confirmed that hanata moicano would fight uh dos anjos the former ufc champ and makachev subsequently blamed each other for the falling out uf President Dana White offers some clarity, and he pointed a finger at Makachev

and said that his team said the fight is not happening. He said, I thought we had it done, White said. And when I went to bed one of the nights before, I thought it was done, woke up the next morning and found out that Makachev turned it down. The thing is, if Makachev beat Dos Anjos right after he beat Bobby Green like that, I mean, he's undeniable. There's no question.

Yeah. He's undeniable. I mean, he's on a 10-fight win streak as it is. And he looks like a monster. I mean, it seems like a good fight for him. Like, Dos Anjos, no disrespect, but it seems like for Makachev, he looks so good. The way he looked against Drew Dober, the way he looked against Dan Hooker,

he's a fucking killer, man. I talked myself into thinking that Bobby Green was going to have a real shot in that fight. I thought, oh, you look at the wrestling that Bobby's got. He's going to come into this one with no pressure. He's got nothing to lose. Everybody's already kissing his ass. What a warrior stepping up last minute.

He can box. He's got experience. I'm Everybody's already kissing his ass. Wow, what a warrior. Stepping up last minute. He can box. He's got experience. I'm like, Bobby Green might do this. He fucking went straight through him like he was nothing. No offense, Bobby. He's an animal. I would like to see Bobby Green fight him with a full camp. You know, when Bobby Green had just gotten off of the fight at Hospirat,

and he fought a tough fight, goes the full distance, three rounds. And then right after that, it's like a short amount of time later, you know, he gets 10 days notice to fight Makachev. And I think he was like 190-something before he began the cut. Well, the thing is, I mean, what was so impressive about Makachev was because, you know, you're up against the fence, you're fighting for underhooks and all the rest of it. And that typically becomes a little bit of a stalemate there.

But when he level changed from having an underhook, level change to the legs, people try and do that. But normally people get an underhook in. Yeah. That's it. You can't get it. But the speed of what Islam did it in was just, it was like lightning. Like lightning.

It was just, boom. His control too. Fuck, his control is epic. But Bobby did avoid the takedown, the first takedown attempt. Yes. And,

you know, Bobby, I just, it's so hard, man, when a guy takes a fight on 10 days notice, I say to the man

who won the UFC middleweight title on, what, 11 days notice? How many days notice did you get? It was two weeks notice,

but I still had to finish filming this movie I was on So I had a couple of days filming still I don't know, two weeks Yeah, so somewhere in the same range And you won the title It is what it is Style's made fights though Islam Makachev ain't gonna stand and go toe to toe with you

Right And if he does The thing is he can do that too That's the thing about Makachev His stand upup is elite. It's very good. It's very fucking good. But ten fights in a row.

I mean, it would have been great. It would have been really impressive and sexy and great for the fans if he did that. Because I thought that would be the fight that UFC would try and make. And it looks like it was. If Dana said that, that Makachev now has to fight Benil Dariush before he can fight for the title, I think that sets up a Conor fight.

I think that might be why he did it. Well, that's probably why. Let's be honest. That's probably why he really did it. Because Conor was at Bellator last Friday and he did an interview and he said, yeah, I think I'm coming back

and fighting for the belt. It's kind of crazy. Oh, no, it's wild. But, but, if you own the company, would you want that to happen? You probably would, let's be honest. Because the reality is, Conor's best days are long gone. They're behind him.

You know, you can't stay at the top forever. Probably, probably. Well, the last fight, listen, we've got to look at it this way. It takes a long time off. The cowboy fight is very quick. You don't get to see what's really going on. And then Dustin fucks him up. And Dustin fucked him up with calf kicks.

His leg was destroyed. That's one of the best examples of a calf kick winning the fight. And then, of course, beautiful combination. Starts off with that right hand, rocks him, puts him away, knocks him out, no questions asked. Then comes in the second fight with a hairline fracture already in his shin. And then fights and his leg snaps.

He falls back. It's very unsatisfying. It is unsatisfying. And then he has a year off. Yeah. And also, who knows what he's like now? I mean, his fucking shin has a bolt in it forever. He's got these plates on his shin trying to glue the whole thing together.

And it's a year later, a year out of his prime. I mean, who knows? He hasn't sparred. I'll tell you this, though. If there's a person that you put him against in the top five to beat,

it would be Charles Oliveira. You think so? Charles is hittable. And Conor can still fucking hit. That's true. He's fast. Charles is hittable. He's hittable,

but he can take it too, man. He's not going to wrestle. Oh, no, he can't take it. He can take it, man. No, he's not there. The fact that he survived both Dustin's onslaught, where he really thought he was going to get put away, and Michael Chandler.

Chandler. Chandler had him hurt bad. Yeah. You know, survives that and then comes out and starches Chandler in the second round. Yeah, but he's not Superman. He's not Superman, but God damn, he's ferocious. No, I'm just saying, like, who else Superman, but God damn, he's ferocious.

No, I'm just saying, like, who else is that? I mean, Gagey. But Gagey never uses his bloody wrestling anyway. Who knows? Islam wouldn't be good. Who else is there? Chandler would probably wrestle him. So in terms of stylistic matchup...

Gagey's very dangerous for a guy like Conor. If Conor... If Gagey beats Oliveira, Gagey versus Conor is a dangerous fight for Conor. Who the fuck kicks your legs better than Gaethje? Oh, shit. I never thought of that. I thought you were talking about his boxing.

His boxing's ferocious, too. Yeah, I forgot. You're right, though. The calf kicks, the leg kicks are brutal. His leg kicks are some of the best in the game. And he also is a great wrestler, too. Of course. And Gaethje will kick your leg from inside a tie-up, which is crazy.

You ever see him do that? No, I haven't. His hips are so flexible. He could throw those tight leg kicks from, like, grabbing inside. He's got, like, an over-under on you, and he fucking kicks your legs. Yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy. His highlight reel, like, is some of the best leg kicking I've ever seen in the lightweight division. It's fucking amazing.

And he did it to guys like Edson Barbosa. Like, lights his legs up. I'm just saying, though, there's a potential that Conor comes back, beats Charles Oliveira, and becomes champion again. Because that is, and then that's,

I don't think I could deal with the world if that happened. Crazy, crazy. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Ireland would have a fucking parade that would last a month long. But it might happen.

It might happen. Listen, if Conor connects on anybody's mug, That's what I'm saying. You never know. He's still got that left hand. He's still got power and speed in it. What Firas Dahabi calls

the touch of death. Is that what he calls it? That's what Firas Dahabi is. He's got the touch of death. Kind of does. Kind of does. Really does. It's diminished a little bit

because it happens. Well, you know, again, it's like, it's one of the things that he said about the first Poirier knock when Poirier stopped him. He goes, it was too much inactivity. I wasn Well, you know, again, it's like, it's one of the things that he said about the first Poirier knock when Poirier stopped him.

He goes, it was too much inactivity. I wasn't, you know, I'm not ready for this yet. Yeah. Then he comes back, fights him a second time and the second time

gets fucked up and with a broken leg. So it's like, I don't know, you know, where he's at now mentally, but he's got so much fucking money.

Yeah. He sold proper 12 and made like a half a billy yeah that's it though it changes i mean you can say whatever you want of course he's gonna say that and we all say it you know i'm still the same guy i'm still the same fighter no you fucking ain't right no you're not your motivation for doing this is gone right you're doing it now because listen and you got to respect this about him. We don't have a good relationship, but you've got to respect this about him.

He loves the fight game. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I respect that about him. I really do. So that's something, that's the only thing that he can't buy. Right. I mean, the guy can buy whatever he wants.

Right, right, right. He's buying yachts and this and that. God bless him. But you can't buy the UFC championship of the world. That's the only thing you can't buy, so he's got no choice to go and fight for it. And he's still choosing to do that. You have to respect that, to be honest.

Buying yachts is a tricky way to live your life. It's a good way to go broke. Yeah, I watch that. I go, oh, you're doing that yacht money thing. That yacht money thing is crazy money. That's crazy. Where's your yacht, Joe? I don't got a yacht, bro.

Come on, man. God knows you can buy one. I don't have a yacht. I have a boat, man. God knows you can buy one. I don't have a yacht. I have a boat. I got a regular boat. Yeah? What size? It's like 22 feet.

It's tiny. Where is that? Around here? Yeah. I fucking take it out and we jet ski. We go tubing with my kids. Oh, I see. Okay.

Okay. I like fishing. I'm not... I have no desire to get a fucking yacht. I have a buddy who just bought a yacht. You don't want to go park up at Dubai? Get the fuck out of here. Boats and hoes, bro.

Come on. Let's go. I have no desire to have either one of those things in my life. How old are you now? 54. 54, boat and hoeing it up in Dubai. Not having a midlife crisis. Jeff Bezos' boat is so big,

they have to take apart a bridge to get it through. Do you know that story? I don't know. I kind of want to see it, through. Do you know about that story? I don't. No. I kind of want to see it, Jamie, though, if you can pull that up. They built this boat. I believe they're building it in the Netherlands, and it is so big. He's got one of the biggest super yachts, if not the biggest of all time.

It's so big they have to dismantle a bridge to get it out of where they're building it. I mean, he's the richest man in the world. Well, him and Elon Musk are. They go back and forth. Yeah. But that's just – I mean, listen. I don't's the richest man in the world. Well him and Elon Musk are so- They go back and forth. But that's just, I mean, listen, I don't want to live that way, but if you're going to be a baller billionaire, Jeff Bezos is my idol. That's how he does it. He's got a smoke show of a girlfriend.

The guy was a dork for most of his life. Have you seen him these days? I know, he's jacked. He looks big. Jacked Bezos' new yacht in Netherlands. Yeah, under fire. Thousands RSVP to throw eggs at it. Oh, my God.

A super yacht so big it'll require a bridge to be moved to get out to sea. But why did... I mean, that bridge has to come down. Like, come on. Why? That bridge has to come down. That's a high up there bridge. That's a crazy bridge. Like, come on. Why? That bridge has to come down. That's a high up there bridge. That's a crazy bridge.

Like, why not build it somewhere else? Or, I mean, do they know that he was going to be able to get the bridge taken down to build the yacht? Look at the size of that motherfucker. That looks like a cruise ship. What do you think that thing's worth? I want to say a half a billion dollars. Oh, I'd say more than that.

I'm just guessing. What's the most expensive yacht? Do you see all these Russian guys are moving their yachts to the Maldives? Yeah. Because they don't have an extradition deal with the United States. So all these Russian guys right now, because the United States is saying they're going to start repossessing these yachts. Oh, really? Yeah.

Confiscating these yachts. Yeah. So does it say how much it costs, Jamie? Not in this. There must be some sort of a... What is the most expensive boat ever built? It's the largest sailing yacht ever constructed, it says. It's also the largest yacht of any kind produced in the Netherlands.

It's 417 feet long. I love it. Pull up that picture of him with his girlfriend with the fucking glasses on. He's my hero. If you're going to be a billionaire, this is how I want. I don't want you to be like Warren Buffett where you're, oh, I just drink Coca-Cola and I still eat the same food. Get the fuck out of here. Get jacked.

Get jacked and get a fucking smoke show girlfriend. I agree. That's what I like. I agree. Look at him with her chilling. Pull up the one where it's him with the glasses. That's my favorite one. Him at the New Year's party. Going up to space

with William Shatner. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. There, the one on the right-hand side. I've seen that. That's what a billionaire is supposed to look like. That's what billions and billions of dollars is supposed to do for you. He's supposed to get shot. Every douchebag in Vegas. He's supposed to get jacked.

Every douchebag in Vegas. I like it. I like it. I like it. He can look like a douchebag. He's got $200 billion. Let him look like a douchebag. I like it.

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. He's having a whale of a time. I like what you're doing. Hey, God bless you. He's got a smoke show girlfriend. But that was, by the way, he's dressed like that because he was at a party. It was a disco party.

It was a disco-themed party. Everybody at the party was dressed like they were in Saturday Night Fever. He's enjoying himself. Why not? I like it. What's the point of having all that money if you're not going to enjoy yourself? That's what I'm saying, Mike. That's what I'm saying. If you're going to be a billionaire, I want to live like Jeff Bezos.

Fuck yeah. Yeah. Take testosterone. You've convinced me. Take testosterone. You've convinced me. Take testosterone. Do a lot of fucking squats. Swing some kettle. About $500 million price tag.

Doesn't even include the mini yacht. It's got a mini yacht. Well, you've got to have a mini yacht, Joe. If you're going to have one like that big. It's worth an estimated $500 million. But they're just guessing. Google this. What's the most expensive yacht ever created?

I would think it's more than. I think it's like $800 million. There's got to be a billion dollar boat. I mean, what are we doing as a human race here if we don't even have a billion dollar boat? I mean, that's pathetic. I bet Putin's got a billion dollar boat. If anybody's got a billion dollar boat. Is it Putin? It's the guy who's actually selling the, he's the owner of Chelsea.

Roman Abramovich? Yeah. He has one that costs reportedly over a billion. Come on, Jeff. Step your game up. Jeff. I'm trying to find a picture of it. What the fuck?

Maybe Jeff's got a bargain. Maybe you have to build your own. It's cheaper than buying one that's already built. Is that possible? By building a house? You're lazy. Yeah. You're lazy.

Like, I don't want to wait for the thing to be built. What's for available now? And they sell you one for 800. That's a billion dollars? Oh, my God. $1.62 billion. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Ooh, Jeff, what is going on, man?

How's this guy beating you? I'm embarrassed for him, to be quite frank. This is ugly. How's he going to show his face at the boat club? You know? Poor guy. He's only got a half a billion dollar yacht. Pull up to Cannes.

Yeah, exactly. He'll be trounced by this guy. He's only got a half a billion dollar yacht. Pull up to Cannes. Yeah, exactly. He'll be trounced by this guy. Here's Jeff with his shitty boat again. His little tugboat. Get the fuck out of here with your little tugboat. Look at that thing. That is a goddamn cruise ship. You would think that that would house like 100 people.

$1.6 billion. So all of these- Oh, look at that. It's got a little boat inside of it. Comes out. Some of these guys one of the guys, maybe it's this guy, has one that has anti-missile capabilities.

Yeah, I think it is him. And then it also has a submarine where he can escape. So if Somali pirates are trying to hijack him, he can just get in a submarine and... It's very cool. Yeah.

It's baller money. That makes me look like a pauper. Uh-huh. Well, definitely makes me look broke. So what's going on here? That's it? Is that his boat?

Who? Jeff's? Look at that. What the fuck is this? Eclipse. That's it? That's the boat? This looks like it's also a computer.

Yeah, CGI. Oh, it is. Okay. But okay, here it is. So is this eclipse that's it that's the boat looks like it's also a cgi yeah cgi yeah oh it is okay but okay here it is so is this bezos no this is the russian gentleman so this is the guy that's moving his shit to the maldives they're all trying to not get confiscated right now so the united states and nato moves in on all their assets well he's selling chelsea football club actually i just saw that is he thinking that's because of the same reason? It's got to be. Wow. What a crazy time to be alive.

Look at the size of that guy. Oh, my goodness. Look at that. You could fucking shoot arrows in that. You could have an archery course underneath your boat. Wow. Amazing.

Helicopter pad. I think it's got two helicopter pads, too so like you and the wife could yeah no you know different area look at this looks like a giant house inside of it got a swimming pool in there restaurant restaurant holy shit got a disco but according to uh someone whose name rhymes with dana white he told me that uh those aren't even the richest people in the world the real richest people in the world. The real richest people in the world are like the Saudi oil people. Probably.

Because they don't have to make it public. No, that's right. Exactly. He's like, those royal family guys, he goes, they have trillions. Yeah. Wow. Trillions. Trillions.

Trillions. Yeah. It's a wild life they're living. I watched a documentary on the Sultan of Brunei. Okay. The Sultan of Brunei has his own disco. And until he got in trouble. So one of the girls ratted out his thing.

What do you mean he has his own disco? Listen to me. Okay. What he has in his house is a palace, right? Giant discotheque. But it's only him. So he brings in these gals from all over the world and pays him exorbitant amounts of money and then he comes out and it's just him let's go it's just him and he's

like you and you let's dance that sounds like a very expensive way of getting hookers that sounds like what jeff bezos is trying to do sounds like what a guy with trillions of dollars does as well. Yeah. Just simply because the guy. Next level. Yeah. You know, yeah, Jeff Bezos got a smoke show girlfriend in his giant yacht, but hey, I got my fucking disco.

That ain't nothing, buddy. And I fly in these gals from all over the world and pay them. Yeah. And he would have this thing and this lady, one of them, who's like, I think she was like a penthouse pet. She was writing a book about it and she got caught and they confiscated her laptop and sent her back home and then she started doing interviews and telling, giving up and all these girls were mad like, oh you motherfucker.

Yeah, yeah. Because they were getting paid to do this. You're blowing it for us all. This paragraph is pretty fun. There you go. Indeed, the Sultan and his equally decadent brother, Prince Jeffrey, were dubbed constant companions in hedonism in 2011 by Vanity Fair.

He lives in a palace with 1,788 rooms, 257 bathrooms, five swimming pools, a mosque, a banquet hall that holds 5,000 people. He's a 5,000 fucking people banquet hall and a 110 car garage. When he turned 50, the Sultan built a stadium, invited Michael Jackson to perform in it, and paid him $17 million for three concerts. Wow.

Amazing. He does not give a fuck. Doesn't give a fuck. What? Who was it? Vanity Fair are saying about him. Do you think he's bothered? He's like, talk about that shit, bitch. Vanity Fair brought a piece on me. How am I going to get over it? They can come saying about it. Do you think he's bothered? He's like, talk about that shit, bitch. Vanity Fair brought a piece on me. They can come over here and suck it too. I'm out here partying at my giant banquet hall for 5,000

people. Ballin'. Do you think he gets lonely? He's probably too busy. Look at him. Is that him there in the middle? Just ballin' out of control. I don't think he gets lonely. He's probably too busy. Look at him. Is that him there in the middle? Just balling out of control. I don't think he gets busy. Lonely.

He's probably so busy. A lot of people are like that. Why would he be busy? Because he's banging hoes. I don't think he's working every day. Maybe some of those girls are nice to him. Maybe he's got a lovely relationship with one of them. I don't know.

You never know. Maybe he's lonely. Maybe he's having a great time. Maybe he hangs out with his friends. I don't know. I'm hoping he does. I'm hoping he does. I'm hoping someone wins.

I like when people win. Yeah, me too. I like when they win at life. How much do you think he spent a day for 10 years, according to this article? A million bucks. Not including- 10 million bucks a day. Not including Goodwill.

That's a lot. Too much? It's closer. It's $747,000 a day for 10 years on top of $17 billion in gifts to friends and family. So what is that? $747,000 a day times 365. That's about 247. 7.4.

74 million. Yeah, 242. 272.655 million per year times 10. Just spending. Out of zero. Just spending money. Just spending. 2 billion.

2.7 billion just spending. Oh, my God. That's so much money. It's like Brewster's Millions. Remember that? Yeah. You had to blow 30 million in 30 days. Oh, that's right.

That's right. What a crazy number. Hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year just spending. Just balling. It's just insane. Just champagne and gold underwear. Woo! Do you not think that gets annoying after a while?

I'd like to find out. Well, give me half a chance. I'd kill myself. I'd be dead. I would not make it 10 years. My God. I don kill myself. I'd be dead. I would not make it 10 years. My God. I don't know. I mean, it all depends.

Look, I'm happy. I love my wife. I'm happily married. But if I wasn't, like if I had a terrible wife, if I had a terrible relationship, and all of a sudden I had billions of dollars, I might go whole hog. I think you'd have a good time.

I might, yeah. I think you'd have a good time. I just want to say, money can't buy you happiness. What's it called? The Sultan of Brunei is living it. Jeff Bezos is doing alright. I don't think money can buy you happiness.

But if you are already happy, I think money will make you... Extra money. It will make you happier. Options. Do you have a nice car, Mike? When you drive? I don't know. I had a Range Rover until quite recently. Now I just got an Audi A6. Oh, those are great cars. It's a nice car, Mike? What do you drive? I don't know. I had a Range Rover until quite recently. Now I just got an Audi A6. Oh, those are great cars.

It's a nice car, yeah. Those are great. I was going to get, what was I going to get? The RS7, the new one at Christmas. Oh, those are nice. Yeah, I like those. I like Audis. I love Audis.

I love that R8. Yeah, shit, yeah. It's a fucking amazing car. But when you get in a nice car, people say it doesn't make you happy. I was talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe. He's got a new 2021 Corvette. Right. Those new ones, the mid-engine ones.

I don't know Corvettes too well. It's fucking incredible. I know what you're saying about a nice car. It makes you feel good. It does. It does. You get in it. 100%.

You grab the steering wheel. You feel it. And especially if you spend a lot of time in your car. Yes. Yeah. I mean, if you're a person who likes those things. But for some people, it's not cars. Some people, it's art.

They like to buy art. They love living in a nice house. It's not like money. Money doesn't buy you happiness. It takes away the stress, though. It takes away a lot of stress. Oh, yeah. A lot of stress.

It's a big difference. And once that stress goes, then all of a sudden your life's a lot better. I remember. So you're not buying happiness, but you're eradicating the stress and living the life that you want to live as opposed to being a slave to make an ends meet. The make an ends meet thing. When I was 25, I think, I got a development deal. The first development deal I ever got, which was like, I think they gave me $100,000. And at the time, that was the most amount of money I would have even heard of anybody getting. And I had all this

money in the bank. And I remember the moment it happened, it was like a weight lifted off of me. Oh yeah. It was like, it was gone. Like whatever weight was on my shoulders was gone. Cause I didn't have to wonder how am I going to pay my bills this month? How am I going to eat every day? How am I just on my own out there hustling as a comedian. And I remember that feeling was like a physical feeling of weight leaving my body. And I remember thinking, oh, I'm never going to forget this. This is very important. This is very important.

You have to have a certain amount of cushion because when you have a certain amount of cushion, you don't have to worry about your bills. It's a way better life. It's a way better. That day-to-day grind. It's romantic that people are struggling. It's romantic.

You're hustling. There's something to it. It does give you a little motivation because you got to hustle. You got to keep going. But not good for you. No, it's not. But it never goes away. I mean, my hustle.

I mean, I'm always fucking working nonstop. I'm always hustling too. Do you know what I mean? I don't really need to, but I like it. Me too. I like to stay busy. But it's a different hustle, right? It is, it is, it is.

It's not out of necessity as much. Yeah, it's not a fear-based hustle. But the feeling you mentioned there, I remember when I first got to the UFC, because money was tight for us growing up. And then I remember UFC 66, Chuck versus Tito 2, MGM Grand. I beat Eric Schaefer backstage. I get Don and says, Daniel Lorenzo want to see you.

I'm like, Daniel Lorenzo want to see me? What the fuck have I done now? Do you know what I mean? I'm like, I've done something. I've told the wrong person to go fuck themselves or something. And then backstage, he just gave me a check. You know, I said, hey, open it. Because, you know, you don't want to open it.

You think it's a check, but he says, open it. And I opened it up. It was $80,000. And I'd never seen that kind of money in my life. And it was just unbelievable. I remember my wife, Rebecca, was outside. She was by herself in the nosebleeds, right up at the top of the stand.

She was the only person there. And I ran out, and I had my purse, and I had some sponsorship money, and I had a check for 80 grand off Dana. And I'm like, what the fuck? So I sprinted up those steps. People go, hey, you just fought. You know what I mean?

Because I wasn't very well known back then. I said, babe, look at this. Look at this, you know? And it was a beautiful moment. I was crying because it's like it wasn't just about the money. The money was fantastic, but it was that fact that this crazy plan of quitting work and becoming a professional fighter was paying off, you know what I mean?

Because everyone said there's no money to make in MMA. No one makes any money. I remember when I quit work on this forum, Cage Warriors forum, they said, if anyone's getting into MMA for money, they've made the wrong choice. And I was like, fuck.

That's the only reason I'm getting into this. And yeah, you know what I mean? There's such a great feeling, as you say. It's such a risky endeavor to go from being a guy who's training to taking a couple amateur fights. I know you had some kickboxing fights and then to say, I am going all in on this profession. You're counting on your tissue, your joints, your back, your knee, everything to hold up. You're counting on your skill.

It wasn't. It wasn't because for me, I was just doing dead-end jobs one after the other. I was never happy in any of them. Never held them down because the money was shit. And there's plenty of other dead-end jobs. Do you know what I mean? Monday mornings were generally a no-show for me. So when I quit work, for the first time in my life,

I felt when I was training to be a fighter, I was living the life I was meant to be living. Do you know what I mean? I was never happy. I felt right. I felt right, I felt when I was training to be a fighter, I was living the life I was meant to be living. Do you know what I mean? I was never happy. So it felt right. I felt right. I felt this is me. This is what I should be doing.

I felt finally. Because the sacrifices that I made, like I used to sleep in my car and stuff, didn't feel like sacrifices. It was exciting. I was on a mission. I was on a journey. I was on a path to something. My wife was sacrificing.

She was at home. Bill's piling up. She was skint. But I'm fucking off doing jiu-jitsu. Fucking doing this. Going down to something my wife was sacrificing she was at home bills piling up she was skinned but i'm fucking off doing jujitsu fucking doing this going down to join me brawley or steamer sleeping in my car whatever it's like living this crazy adventure if you will do you know what i mean so it didn't feel like a sacrifice well that's why it's the perfect job for you yeah now for a lot of guys that would be too nuts too much too much pressure too much and also there's the expectation of the unknown like you don't know well that's what what's coming next what the the

the unknown it just looms over you like you have no idea whether it's going to work out it's the pressure that eats up everybody you know like so many people like we said before um people always ask about callum my son fighting he's probably not gonna fight do you know what i mean he grew up in a nice house we got a fucking swimming pool yeah you know what i mean he's living in a apartment in san francisco do you know what i mean he doesn't know what hardship is no offense to him do you know what i mean um you're gonna be a nasty bastard as well yeah you're gonna be able to beat someone up yeah they're covered in blood grab them by the fucking ears

grab your fucking knee right into the face and knock them unconscious if you can and have no problem doing that I don't think he's got that mean streak in him but the point I was saying is what was the point

the unknown so many fighters. You go in gyms all over the world and you train with someone. You're like, wow, this guy's really good. He could be a world champion. And then you find out he's crashing on a couch at his friend's house or sleeping in a car. And they just can't put it together on fight day.

Can't deal with the nerves, the anxiety, whatever you want to call it. And there's so many people like that. And I think in most walks of life, I think it's probably the same in other sports. There's people that on game day, they just can't perform. And then there's other people that know how to keep it together when the shit hits the fan. And that's, it's one of the most important qualities in life, your ability to hold up under pressure. Yeah, absolutely. A perfect example is Quinton Rampage Jackson. In the gym, he would always look like shit. He had no problem getting tapped out left, right, and center.

But fucking game day. Good luck with that one. Good luck with that, buddy. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. For a long time. The fact that he's still out there doing it, too. I mean, he's still fighting, which is kind of crazy.

Apparently, he's going to have a boxing match with Shannon Briggs. Shannon Briggs. Shannon Briggs. Is that 100% real? I don't know. I know they were talking to each other. They were talking shit to each other. They're always talking shit, and they do this thing. Shannon talks a lot of shit.

He's fucking great. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. He's awesome. Did you see what he did to Klitschko back in the day? Yes. On the paddle board. Oh, my God.

Epic. Was that real? I think it was real. I mean, I don't see Vladimir Klitschko doing a prank. That's not his style. He takes himself far too seriously. Far too seriously. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

What an asshole. It's great. He was a tough motherfucker too and still is. I mean, Shannon can box, man. Oh, yeah. He was a nasty left hand. He's a big guy as well. Super educated boxer.

Huge guy. And, you know, was real down the dumps until he started saying, let's go champ. Like, he literally, like, reignited his passion for life by just saying to himself, let's go champ. Let's go champ. And he would just fly himself to these big boxing fights. Yep. And just gate crash The press conferences

Take his shirt off Talking shit Jacked Start talking shit To everybody There was him and Rampage At the Triller event recently I'm not sure

What the involvement is But they were side by side Or squaring up And he's way bigger Than Rampage He's a big guy He's a very tall guy But I think

What they were gonna do Is something crazy like one round boxing one round mma is that what it was something like that yeah yeah i heard something do you know that mighty mounts is doing that at the end of march yeah that's a wild fight because the first round is muay thai and rod tang is like an elite more always the first round muay thai i thought his first round was mma i don't believe the next round was Muay Thai guy. Oh, is it the first round Muay Thai? I thought his first round was MMA. I don't believe so. And the next round was Muay Thai.

Okay. Yeah, I think it's first round Muay Thai. Because Rod Tang said he's going to finish him in the first round. And he's never going to make it to the MMA portion of the fight. Right, okay. That makes sense. But I don't know how many, like when they're saying rounds, are they doing Muay Thai rounds, like three minutes?

Or is it an MMA round, like five minutes? Because that's a different animal, right? Yeah. And both counts. I don and both counts i don't know i mean i either way three or five it's gonna be hard to get through with rad tang but i thought it was mma first and i thought oh that's really smart of mighty mouse because of course he's just gonna take him down yeah a muay thai fighter knows nothing of takedown defense or jujitsu and mighty mouse would just tap him out two minutes tops. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I mean, I don't think, I don't know, honestly, what kind of, let's see here. Two fighters will compete in a four-round battle of alternating rules. Rounds one and three will be contested under the one super series Muay Thai rule set. So rounds two and four will be contested on the global mixed martial arts rule set. So what are the minutes of the rounds? It says four rounds, but how many minutes? It's got to be five minutes, I would have thought. I would think that for sure with the MMA rounds.

What's his record, Rod Tank? How many fights? Probably they don't know in Thailand. That's how it is it's crazy by the time they get to be 20 and they've had 150 fights it's like it's not

look at that fucking record Jesus Christ how many is that there's a few reds on there but not many 267 wins 42 losses 10 draws

that is crazy that's a lot of experience that is fucking crazy and he fought last year 67 wins, 42 losses, 10 draws. That is crazy. That's a lot of experience. That is fucking crazy. And he fought last year. Yeah. And so the last time he lost was 2020, and that was to someone in Thailand, in Bangkok.

Raja Damnam. Have you ever watched Muay Thai live in Thailand? Yeah. Yeah. I lived in Thailand for about three months when I first started doing MMA. Yeah, one of my fights, I was winning the fight, and then in the last round, I got my leg kicked to fuck in cage rage. I still knocked the guy out, fortunately, but I was limping around.

It wasn't looking good for a minute, so then my coach was like was like right you need to go to Thailand and get this shit under control so which gym did you train at? it was called Sasri Papa which is in a little suburb of Bangkok

called Ramkampeng nobody speaks English in Ramkampeng let me tell you that and I was I was like stood up like a

sore thumb what was that like? crazy it was wild three months? three months yeah well i went for two months first time and then the month the second time i went on for a little bit um yeah it was it was a great experience i came back as a way better fighter i think any fighter that's realistically wants to do this for a living needs to go out there and live in thailand what is the

difference about training in Thailand? I mean, obviously, you know, it's great instruction, great training sessions and all the rest of it, but you're just living that life. And then when you see what they go through, you know, and the limited opportunities that they have in their life, and they're literally fighting to be able to feed themselves, you know, you understand the blessed position that you're in. But as a fighter, yeah, you come back just different.

It's hard to explain, but yeah. I mean, my Muay Thai was way better, but I just had a deeper understanding of the sport, of the people, of the culture of it. Living in a shitty hotel room with the cockroaches was... Humbling. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was fun, though.

Very much enjoyed it. Yeah, a lot of guys are going to various gyms in Thailand to do their camps now. Phuket. Yeah. A lot of people going there, yeah. I was there in 2016, Phuket top team. It was great.

You know, you would think it's just Muay Thai, great jiu-jitsu, great wrestling programs. Then they got Tiger, Muay Thai. They got AKA. AKA in Thailand, Mike Swipps. Yeah, yeah. He just came down with cancer Is that correct

He beat cancer Oh he's beaten Yeah he beat cancer He went through the chemo And I think he But he feels great And he's starting to put weight back on Oh really good

Yeah Somebody just mentioned A few days ago They said oh did you hear Mike Swift's got cancer What kind of cancer did he have Do you know That's all I know

Literally just someone said to me So he's running AKA Thailand Yeah Yeah he's a great guy i fucking love mike swick yeah mike swick is just i i don't know him too well great guy i hear nothing but good things yeah great great guy and um then um in aka thailand i know that Hamzat was there too yeah that's right yeah and he was upset because everybody

was filming him really yeah there was he was talking about how at All Star in Sweden they don't let people film

if it's filmed it's all controlled but they don't let people see like his training his sparring and everything like that but there was

every time he said he would spar there would be guys pull their phones out and he's like they're not professionals he said the problem with Tiger Muay Thai was that there was a lot of the people that were there were there for the experience it was just like amateur no for sure yeah and that's what you get like where I went was a proper fighters gym a lot of people go on training holidays you know what I mean these exc proper fighter's gym. A lot of people go on training holidays. You know what I mean? They go on these excursions with work or whatever.

One of my business managers did that. I'm doing a Muay Thai trip to Thailand. You know, I said, fuck off. I'm trying to train for a fight, you dickhead. You know what I mean? And these guys all have their phones out. Like, I'm training with Michael Bisping. And I understand Hamzat's problem there because it's so annoying. Because you're going into a gym trying to work because you've got an important fight coming up

and you've got these people dicking about. They should be smart about that because you're going to discourage elite fighters like him from going down there. He doesn't want people to see everything that he's working on while he's in the middle of a training camp just because, you know. It's not even so much seeing what you're working on. It's just a distraction. You're just trying to focus's just a distraction. Yes. You're just trying to focus and do the job at hand. It's already stressful enough.

And you've got to go in. Oh, you know, it sounds like bloody. Taking pictures and stuff like that, it's not what you're going there for. And it's, of course, all fighters, they appreciate, just like you, you know. You appreciate the support. Sure. And the people want a picture. That's very, very nice.

But when you're training for a fight, you're going in there and you're tired you beat up the sparring session didn't go well yesterday you know whatever it is and now you're gonna deal with that as well and it's like some dude just standing there yeah holding the camera in front of your face annoys me yeah it's a distraction and it's also the the gym is supposed to be this place where you're with like-minded people all focused on one goal getting better that's right that's what training is that's why i enjoy training at ruka so much private gym private gym built for bj penn in the ruka factory you know it's invitation only so you're not going to get bothered you know what i mean there's a lot of guys out here that it's a

different name uh roca roca is a sunglassing company in Austin. And they have this beautiful gym. And a lot of like John Donahue and those guys. His guys like Gordon Ryan. They're training out there. Right, right, right. And Tim Kennedy does a lot of training there too. But it's the same thing.

Private gym. Sure, exactly. Nobody's going to fuck with you. And it's such a different environment there. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're not on display. You're not performing the whole time. Exactly. You're in there. You're trying to get better. You're trying to work on something.

And you're not annoyed. You don't want to be annoyed. You want clarity of focus. It is annoying. Have you ever thought about training people? Have you ever thought that that might be in the future? I'd like to one day. One day. I would love to one day and i will do that but right now i'm still still doing me do you know what i mean and if you're training somebody that's got to be 100 all in on them it's a very selfless task you know what i'm saying and i'm just not ready to do that yet i i just wouldn't be fair on whoever it was because i can't dedicate all my time to them you know what i'm saying i'm pulled in a million different places.

It's great. It's stressful. It's annoying, but I'm happy with it. When that all dies down, you know, and no one's fucking interested or no one wants to hire me anymore or speak to me anymore or whatever, then yeah, I'll be training people. And I can't wait for it, to be honest.

Really? Yeah, I'd like to do that. I'd like to take a couple of little protégés under my wing and see where we go. Where do you think you would do that? You would do that in California, you think? I have no idea where life's going to take me, where I'm going to be in a few years. Yeah.

But wherever it is, yeah, I'd like to. I'd like to, yeah. You know, learn a thing or two about mixed martial arts over the years, believe it or not. I believe it. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, how to get people ready. See, that was always my thing, you know, with a lot of coaches.

You know, I would have a hard time sometimes listening to what they had to say because I've been doing it way longer and a way higher level than you ever fucking dreamed of. But, yeah. You know, I'm not saying, like, I'm not talking about jiu-jitsu. I know what you mean.

That's completely different. But I'm talking about a guy that's fucking never stepped foot in a ring and they're going to try and talk to me about the psychology of fighting and all the rest of it. And that's been my entire life forever. So I always had a hard time. When I met Jason Perillo, that was great because he's the real deal, you know. He's done a tremendous job for a lot of fighters. He's incredible. There's so many charlatans, though.

There's a lot of fakes, a lot of pretend, a lot of wannabes, you know what I mean? And they sometimes just get a really good athlete, and that person performs well, and then they try to hitch their buggy. And because that person is doing well in the UFC, that opens other doors for other fighters, and all of a sudden this guy supposedly,

this great coach that's created all these great fighters. No. I mean, i'm not saying i know nothing about greg jackson's coaching ability but that was a super camp where everyone just good talent was attracted to them yeah to that one spot maybe he's a great coach i've never worked with him i'm not talking about that i think he is yeah yeah from all accounts i'm not talking shit about it i know what you're saying but greatness attracts greatness and all of a sudden you think i want to go train there and then all of a sudden you think, I want to go train there.

And then all of a sudden you've got champions galore. It's not necessarily because of one guy in there has some secret that the world doesn't know. Right, right, right. There's not a lot of those guys out there. Those guys that are just like, there's a few guys like Matt Hume, Firas Ahabi, Duke Rufus. There's a few of those guys that just have an understanding of the sport. Yeah. For me, with Jason, the best thing for me, he was a great coach,

but it was this working on the mind for me. That was everything. He helped you a lot with that? Big time. In what way? I was always too emotional. Always too emotional, too worked up, too angry. Yeah?

And, yeah. For example, I remember, well, I used to go into every fight thinking if I was mad or angry, then that was the best way to be. Turns out it's the opposite. You need to be cool, calm, and collected. Look at Anderson Silva. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Being angry, you might beat 95% of the people, but the true elite, you're going to get caught out. Yeah. And like when I fought for the belt, for example, I remember I was doing jiu-jitsu with Brady Fink and it wasn't going my way.

I was having a tough time and I snapped at him. What the fuck? You know what I mean? And Brady blessed him. He was always a great guy. He'd always take my shit. He had no need to. And I remember Jason said, Mike, look, listen,

you're fighting for the world title next week. We think you're going to win the belt. We think you've got a good chance, but maybe you don't and maybe this is it. This is the height of your MMA career. All this work that you've done to get to this point,

which by the way, is a great place to be. You're fighting for the belt. Your face is on all the posters, pay-per-view, main event at the Forum in Los Angeles. Great position to be. How about we fucking go through this

with a smile on our face and enjoy this time? Or if you want, we can go through it and we can all argue and you can be a stressy asshole or we can enjoy it. How about that?

And I was like, do you know what? You're absolutely fucking right. Do you know what I mean? I think that's like one of many, many different examples. Like I remember

I pulled up outside the gym one day. Jason's out there smoking a cigarette. I walk up, I'm like, hey, what's up, coach? Is that all right? There's about four or five guys in there, all killers, all waiting for you. It was a sparring day. He said, can you go in there and act like a fucking champion? You know, even though I wasn't a champion.

He said, but you're a champion to them. They're all killing to be in your position. They're all young, up-and-coming fighters, no money, you know, you know just like you used to be go in there and be a champion of the world you know don't let little things bother you don't blow up you know don't lose your temper or anything like that go in there control the room control the energy show them you're the champ you know just little things like that you know it definitely helped beautiful yeah michael bisping i appreciate the out of you I'm looking forward to

working with you this weekend for the first time yes I know it's gonna be a good time looking forward to it and great fights your movie is out March

no 15th March 15th I believe I should know this there we go it goes UK and internationally

from the 21st of March. So is it March 21st? I have no idea. Well definitely March 21st. I can hardly read that. If you go to Bisping Doc it says available to rent and own on digital in the UK and internationally from 21st of March. So the US from 22nd

of March. So here 22nd of March UK 21st of March Australia 24th of March check it out that's it check it out uh you still doing a podcast yes it is it still anthony smith is my co-host oh yeah yeah yeah so you were doing that one with lewis yeah louis gomez that was believe you me right correct still believe you guys stop that yeah yeah yeah. Well, I continued it. So you do it now with Anthony Smith? I do it now with Anthony Smith. I love Anthony Smith.

That's great. He's great. What a guy. What a guy. Good combination. And that's available everywhere? That's available everywhere, yeah. He tones me down a little bit because I get a little crazy.

Anthony's a little more level-headed, so he's good for me. Do you know what I mean? Beautiful. Yeah. All right, brother. Well, thank you very much. Thanks for having me, Joe. We'll see you this weekend.

Appreciate it. Bye, everybody. alright brother well thank you very much thanks for having me Joe we'll see you this weekend appreciate it bye everybody