The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #126 with Eryk Anders

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

Joe sits down with Eryk Anders, a mixed martial artist competing in the Middleweight division of the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. First of all, how the fuck do you make 185 pounds? How is that even possible? Diet and exercise. But you're so big. What do you walk around at? I'm about 230 right now.

What is the process of you getting down to 185? Yeah, I definitely can't do it on short notice. It takes like a whole eight weeks Unless I you know have to kill myself Which I used to do that I just not eat for a week and sit in a sauna forever and then wonder why after three minutes I do it I'm fucking tired. Yeah Well, how much of a performance impact does it have on you, even if you, like, take off,

even if you have two solid months to prepare and lose the weight? Yeah, I feel good. I don't think it has a performance issue. I know that some dudes, they cut weight, they don't do it the right way, and I think it kind of, like, makes them more fragile. Yeah. But I haven't had that experience so for you as long as they give you two months you can do it but how good

does food taste after those two months uh everything in my life is extreme like if i'm not if i'm not if i don't have a fight coming up i'm a burger cheeseburger uh pizza beer kind of guy hardly drink water but then when i am don't eat anything green uh but then when i am training for a fight you know it's just the exact opposite nothing but water you know i count my calories and do you have like a meal prep company that yeah those uh i think it's icon meals that the ufc has yeah and it's awesome because like each meal you can like tell this it has the macronutrients on there

and how many calories. So I just wear a heart rate monitor and it tells me how many calories I burn per workout. So I just go home and I burn 500.

I can only eat 300. And, you know. Have you ever thought about like, fuck it, I'm going to go heavyweight? When I fought Darren Stewart

the second time, he was like, let's do heavyweight. And for a second I was like, man, he was like, let's do heavyweight. And for a second, I was like, man, fuck that. Let's just do heavyweight instead of light heavyweight and not cut any weight. If I show up at heavyweight, dude, I'm going to have a big old belly. I ain't going to be able to fight at heavyweight, I don't think. It ain't going to work. My cardio is going to be shit.

So when you get to 185 and you do it correctly you have better cardio i think so i like i really don't get tired in fights um so yeah i feel good and the middleweights for my career i think middleweight is the way to go because they're not as durable as the light heavyweights and the light heavyweights those motherfuckers are big they're like six three six four like 6'3", 6'4". So it's like a stature thing for me. I'm only 6'1", so I'd be punching up at everybody. What would you think if they eliminated weight cutting?

Because there's been talk about that mostly from me. I think it's, I mean, everyone's doing it, but what it is essentially is like sanctioned cheating. You're pretending you're 185 pounds you're about 185 for what an hour yeah the shortest amount of time possible yeah and then what do you when you fight what do you think you weigh well i've been as heavy as 225 on fight night that's crazy but it's uh i think it works backwards yeah i'm bigger but when i'm that heavy like when i fought andre muniz i was like 225 but i just felt like heavy you know i was like dude i don't know

you put too much on yeah yeah i'm not moving like i was getting ready for the fight so when that happens it's like damn i just kind of charles olivera just uh they they just did this thing where they weighed him on fight night versus weigh in, and he's 183 on fight night. He fights at 155. You look at him, you wouldn't think he weighs that. No, he's pretty stout. He's a stout dude.

I mean, he's long and lean and everything. He's, like, broad, but front to back, he's a thin guy. Well, I think he's maximized for the weight class. There's guys that, like, they're maximized for the weight class there's guys that like they're maximized for that weight class like john jones at 205 is a perfect example maximized for that weight class the perfect physique for that weight class hamza chamayev at 170 maximized it's like the perfect amount of length but strong as shit you know there's like a lot there's a lot of advantages for that yeah you know those guys especially at the top you know

they're much bigger uh for the most part than everybody else in the weight class like ushman's a big motherfucker for the weight class john jones c64 you know they call him like his legs look skinny but he's not a skinny guy no just from like the knee down he doesn't have any calves exactly which is crazy we talked about that yesterday like like the knee down he's just having the calves exactly which is crazy we talked about that yesterday like all the weight lifting he does those things don't grow it's just weird you know when i uh when i first started fighting they're like oh you know i was like 240 like football big like oh you're gonna end up fighting at 85 i was like bullshit i'm not cutting weight like that and then uh my buddy uh marcus brimage fought mcgregor on the

same card that uh cormier and uh john jones fought the first time so we went and i saw those two fight and i was like 85 might be the move any fight might be a big dude what was it like the first time you did it uh it was awful because like no one told me how to do it they were like oh dude i know i would run i'd be like 210 and like oh you can just cut the rest in water it's like all right so the first time i sat in a sauna for like six hours and uh my coach at the time i was like dude i'm done with this i don't care how much i weigh right now i'm out of here and uh he was like no no I did listen I'm getting out of here whether it's through you or around you you have about three seconds to make this decision and he just steps

to the side you know of course I missed away I was like 189 but I did I'm not doing that shit and then so I did that a few times and then I met my wife and you know she's into the fitness thing, and she's like, you're not a smart person. This is not how you should be doing this. So she started measuring my meals, and I was actually eating more, because it makes your metabolism faster, but smaller meals. And then, dude, it just became easier.

So what was your transition from football into MMA? Like what motivated that? Well, so we won a national championship my senior year, and so I think everybody knows that even if you do make it to the NFL, probably not going to be there for long. So I was like, okay, so if the NFL thing doesn't work out, at least I can come back to Alabama. Somebody, an alumni, will have a job for me.

That's not what happened. So I ended up being a janitor. I was cleaning apartments, cleaning factories, working with meth heads and drug addicts with a water lance. This thing has 2,000 pounds of pressure. It cuts sheet metal. Really? Some dude nodding off, buck of pressure. Like it cuts sheet metal. And, you know, some dude like nodding off, you know, fucking around. So it was dangerous.

So I just found myself being like mad and frustrated that, you know, here I am living in the same town that just a year ago we won a national championship and I'm doing this kind of work. So, you know, I was, you know, fighting all the time, the time drinking abusing drugs just kind of mad and uh walking around my fist balled up all the time i like so i mean eventually something's gonna happen to me i'm gonna get shot you know just you know doing stupid stuff and uh so i just walked into a gym started training uh so you were about 21. 21 when you first started training? Mm-hmm. No training prior at all?

No, like 24. Oh, really? Yeah, because I chased the dream, the football dream. I went to Colorado, played arena ball, and played in Canada for a little bit. And finally, I was just like, dude, if it's not the NFL, then it's not worth it. So what was holding you back from achieving your goals in the NFL um I just don't think I was big enough fast enough good enough you know you always kind of like lie to yourself when you're younger it's like oh fuck yeah dude I'm gonna make it I'm gonna play and

then you know you kind of get shit on and you know so you just walk around bitter until you find something else to do at least that was my experience anyways and so was mma a thought in your mind as a career or was it something you were just doing to blow off steam uh initially i just wanted i started doing jujitsu and i was like oh this is cool you know i can go like wrestle and like get it out you know and uh i want to see what it's like to, you know, throw punches and stuff. And so I walked into another gym, and first day in there, the coach walks up to me. He's like, can you fight? Any 24-year-old male, and you ask him if he can fight, he's like, fuck you, I can fight. Hell yeah.

He's like, all right, cool. Here are some gloves. Go fight that guy. Go spar that guy. And it was fucking Walt Harris, who was already a professional fighter, been training, been boxing. Heavyweight. Big motherfucker, yeah.

Yeah, Walt's big. 260, 6'4". And he beat me up in the nicest way possible. Like, I knew, like, if he was being for real, I knew what would happen to him. Well, that's nice of Walt. Yeah, and, like, you know, I had, like, those big football muscles, so I so i couldn't you know block anything down the middle so i was just

and uh but dude i fell in love with that i was like dude it's gonna be fun to like suck at something and then learn how to do it and then not suck and you know but i think that's like the biggest apprehension from other athletes coming into this because who the fuck wants to be a white belt again? You're already an elite athlete or played at the pinnacle of the sport. Now you've got to go in there and take your licks again. Like a beginner. Yeah, and so I think the ego kind of gets in the way of guys coming from other sports and girls coming from other sports and learning this stuff.

Well, that even works in guys in combat sports that are learning MMA. Like guys who are kickboxers, they don't like to wrestle or do jiu-jitsu. They just want to learn how to get up. They just want to learn. That's a big common problem. So when they get in scrambles, they don't really know how to do anything offensively, so everything is defensive, which once your opponent realizes that everything is defensive, it's much more relaxing for them. Yeah, and they know they don't have a risk, so they can take more chances.

Exactly. Worst case scenario, he gets up. I'm not going to get choked out or whatever. Yeah, it's like guys that surprise people. You're a Prohaska. When Uri just tapped out Glover, who the fuck saw that coming? I think exhaustion kind of plays into oh yeah you know fifth round 25th minute yeah 24th and a half minute yeah you know it's like fuck dude I'm tired and you know 42 years old yeah sure which and almost won that fight all

you had to do is play it safe in the fifth round he would have won that fight yeah but yeah I'm quite yet like it didn't work out for him but as a fan oh yeah i don't want to see nobody play it safe dude go for it fuck it of course that's just me as a fan being selfish but if he did that you know yeah it's funny when people do play it safe like devin haney's last fight like last round he played it safe and he even talked about it like i knew i had in the bag so i just took off the last round, and I was like, ooh. Don't say that out loud. Don't say that out loud. Not on the microphone, dude. Tell your coach that.

Tell your mom that. Yeah, I mean, he's in the money for these big, big fights like Lomachenko, and, you know, so after he beat Kambosis, you know, that was a pivotal fight for him. I understand taking it off the last round, but yeah, don't say that. Yeah, yeah.

Or say it in a different way. Like, you know, I didn't want to, like, get hurt, or, you know, don't say that. Yeah, yeah. Or say it in a different way. It's like, you know, I didn't want to get hurt. I didn't want to risk breaking my hand. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It's just that kind of a fight, the Yuri Prohaska-Glover Teixeira fight, is the kind of fight that makes fans.

Sure, sure. Like, if you've never watched MMA before and you watched that crazy fucking fight, like, whoo! Especially how back and forth it was. I didn't think that yuri would be as good on the ground to be able to get up and reverse position yeah like he did glover took a lot of chances like he like dove on guillotines and wound up on the bottom when it didn't work out there's a lot going on in that fight that was not a play it's safe fight that was a wild fight yeah me and my son were driving back from yellowstone

watching it on the phone i was like dude i think i need to pull over dude i'm watching the phone boy that i did the fucking road like shit yeah that's not good he fights so strange yuri fights so strange there's nobody like him in the sport because he's almost like fighting like a karate video game character he's very unpredictable yeah He doesn't have like a pattern. Like it's not jab, cross, hook. Even his movements. And then he's leaping in with shots. Like he almost moves around like a guy who wouldn't be good,

but he's really good. Yeah, sure. It's confusing, you know. It's like he's got his own style. And he's got his little hair. He says it's an antenna. Yeah. For the flow. Yeah. to catch the flow yeah and you see him working out in the woods too like ties pads around trees and he's kicking

and punching trees like very strange yeah he seems like a super odd dude he was doing something that's not wise though like he was patting glover saying good job you're doing a good job like in the middle of the fight? Yeah. And, you know, Mark Goddard was telling him, hey, you're playing a fucking dangerous game because that seems like you're tapping. Yeah. Like, what are you doing?

Did you ever see any of that? No. Like I said, I was driving. Oh, a lot of people were saying, like, this fight's bullshit. He tapped. Because it looked like he was like, hey, good job, good job.

But, like, did he have a submission in? No, man. He was on top of him Did he have a submission in? No, man. He was on top of him. That guy's not tapping the strikes, though. No. So you don't got to worry about that. I don't think he's going to tap, I mean, unless he gets caught in something. But it's just when you're watching it, I was like, what is happening here?

Is he fucking tapping? Like, watch this. Here, referee Mark. Like, watch this. Look, see, he's on top. He's talking to him. Good job. See, look at that.

That's a fucking tap, man. That's a tap. Like, you can't do that. Well, at least Glover tapped. He was congratulating, encouraging, and his opponent. Yeah, see, Mark Goddard said it's a risky game, but it's very clear what he was doing and intending. Let's celebrate the incredible feat from both gentlemen.

It's interesting because you really can't do that. You can't. I mean, because if Glover thought that was a tap. Yeah, if he stopped. Yeah, like he could. Like that right there is a fucking tap, man. Like you can't do that because that's how I'm injured. Hey, my ribs are broken.

I got to stop. You know? I mean, it's not a position where you normally would see somebody tap, but who the fuck knows what's going on. Yeah. You know, sometimes. I guess Mark heard what he was saying. He's like, oh, that the fuck knows what's going on? Yeah. You know, sometimes. I guess Mark heard what he was saying. He's like, oh, that's not a tap.

But still, that is tapping. Like, you know, you can't just fake quit. Yeah, yeah. That's like fake quitting. Gotcha. Yeah. Who did that? Fabrizio Verdum in the PFL.

I forget who he was fighting, but the guy... Oh, the guy fake tapped, right? Yeah, and then he stopped, and then... And then he wound up losing by TKO. Yeah, but I think it got ruined in the contest at the end, though. That's horrible, though. That's horrible shit. You remember that happened in the UFC early on.

It was Murillo Bustamante and Matt Lindlund, and Murillo Bustamante tapped him twice. He tapped him once with an arm bar, and Lindland said, I didn't tap. And Big John McCarthy, this was like the UFC in the early days, they were kind of like, oh, let's do it again. Yeah. There was a few of those. Are you sure?

Yeah, this is a fight. So this is, Bustamante was a bad motherfucker back then. He was one of the very first jiu-jitsu guys who was also really dangerous with stand-up. And he was one of Carlson Gracie's top black belts, really technical jujitsu guy. What's that? This video is not going to show it, so I was going to stop. Oh, it's not going to show the sub? I don't think so.

So he got him down. Oh, this is the finish. This is the final finish. He caught him in the guillotine. So the guillotine. So he got him down. Oh, this is the finish. This is the final finish. He caught him in the guillotine. So the guillotine is how he finished him. So this is tapping in that maze that he didn't hold on to it because Lin-Manuel had fake tapped earlier. So that's the third round.

So he tapped him in the second round with an arm bar and then tapped him in the third round with a guillotine. How do you fuck that up? I went to a fight in Macon, Georgia, just like a local promotion. This kid had the other guy in the guillotine, and he did look like he was asleep. So the ref stops the fight, and the guy's like, hey, what the fuck?

And he started them again, like from the stand-up. You go to your corner, you go to your corner, and started to get out of it. I'm like, man, fuck that, dude. He tapped. They said because nobody had entered the cage that they could keep it going. I'm like, no, dude.

At least you have to give me my position back. Yeah, give me the neck again. Yeah, the fuck. When I started, I earned that position. Did you ever see Conan Silveira in Sakuraba? Uh-uh. Sakuraba got hit with an uppercut and dropped down for a single.

So he's on like a low single, and Big John, again, stops the fight. And Sakuraba's like, what the fuck are you doing? And then it's in Japan, so everybody started freaking out. And so they said, don't worry, we'll have him fight again. So later on in the night, they fought a second time. Yeah, they fought a second time. And this time, Sakuraba got Conan in an armbar. And so this was like, I want to say this was like 98.

It was like right when I quit. So he got him in an armbar and tapped him. And it was fucking crazy because nobody had ever seen a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt get tapped. And Sakuraba was like way smaller than him too like Sakuraba was probably under 200 pounds and Conan was a big guy like Conan had fought in extreme fighting and you know that's what he had fought Maury Smith then you think they got paid twice I don't think they did I'm not doing this thing I want for free, dude. Fuck that. That's a good point. That's a very good point.

But this was a big moment. But you go back and you watch, like, even, like, top guys. Like, everyone was, like, a little sloppy then. Like, technique is so much more refined now. Everything is so different. Even, like, if you go and watch jiu-jitsu tournaments, like top-level jiu-jitsu tournaments from like 94, 95, and then watch them today in 2022, it's incredible how much progress has been made.

That's like the evolution. How long do you think Sakuraba had been training jiu-jitsu? Well, he actually was training catch wrestling. That's what's interesting about Sakuraba. There's a lot of those guys that were pro wrestlers in japan but in pro wrestling in japan they do a lot of like hard fights like pro wrestling in japan has a history of real fights like sometimes they would have shoots or they would have works and so like if you ever want to talk to josh barnett is the master of this shit he'll tell you all about that because, you know, he's a big pro wrestling fan.

I was training at Danaher's yesterday, and I was talking to this kid from Louisville, Kentucky. And I was like, oh, how long have you been training? He's 16 years. And I was like, how old are you? 24. Whoa. So I was like, dude, I've been training with Helio Seneca since I was six.

And I'm like, that's the difference in the game. Oh, yeah. When you learn something when you're six, six to 24 is different than 24 to, you know. How old are you now? 35. How long do you think you're going to be doing this? I probably got five or less fights left. Five or less fights.

What do you think you're going to do when you stop? I got a lot of things that I'm pivoting right now, kind of working my way. I know I'm in the twilight of my career. It's like it's no secret. And I started buying real estate. Got about 15 houses now. Oh, wow. Oh, nice.

So a lot of people always like about like fighter pay and stuff but i'm just like what are you doing with your money right right if you go to uh like some of these people's like instagram who bitching about fighter pay go to their instagram and see what it is that they're spending their money on yeah like five frenchie dogs these are like five to eight thousand dollar dogs of course you're gonna be broke Frenchie dogs. These are like $5,000 to $8,000 dogs. Of course you're going to be broke.

So I just put everything into real estate. So I don't even have to fight anymore. That's awesome. I do it because I like it. I do it because I like the competition. I like the training. I just like doing it. But whenever I'm ready, I can dip whenever I want to.

You're a tough motherfucker, man, because I've watched a lot of your fights, and I've been a fan of your fights, your wins and your losses, but when you fought Khalil Roundtree, and he was leg-kicking the shit out of you, and you didn't even flinch, I was like, damn. That was one of the most impressive, like, in a losing performance, one of the most impressive displays of toughness. maybe I should play poker because that shit was hurt her poker face he kicked so fucking hard but yeah I mean it hurt but it wasn't

like dismantling right no it's not like the my leg wasn't compromised right she was just stinging and in pain. So I just feel like toughness is like a decision sometimes. Like, okay, you feel pain, but are you hurt? No. Okay. And I also think, like, just naturally I have a higher, like, pain threshold maybe than most people.

So, you know, that second round got pretty crazy. I think he dropped me like four times and in the corner the lady the commission the doctor when it was like are you okay and I was like did she fucking is she watching this like of course I'm not okay but I tried to ignore it she's like okay I'm good it's interesting how boxing has three knockdown rules in some some fights and some commissions like I wonder if they've ever thought about instituting something like that in MMA promotion.

I don't know. I hope not, you know, because I would hate for the fight to get stopped, you know, just for me. Right. Just because, you know, I got dropped four times. It's not like I got up and I, like, you know, didn't have my equilibrium or whatever. Right.

Yeah, I got dropped, but, like but as soon as I hit the ground, I was like, oh, shit, how did I get here? Do you think some of that toughness comes from football? Because you cannot play football at a high level without being tough. I think maybe kind of the way I grew up. I'm five out of six. Oh. Yeah, and four boys. Oh, that's it.

So, you know, they used to front me up. That's a recipe for bad motherfuckers. Get a bunch of boys, let them grow up together, beating the shit out of each other. And just for their entertainment, too. I think my oldest brother,

he'd be like, I'm bored. Hey, Eric, let's go climb this tree and jump out. Oh, wow. And then he wouldn't jump. It would just be me.

Let's go get on the roof and jump or, you know, whatever. I'd be like, okay just be me let's go get on the roof and jump or you know whatever okay cool let's go let's go do they kind of take credit for you fighting now um they should they should i've always been like a scrappy dude like i've always like uh enjoyed it like wrestled you know fought a lot you know just being a boy growing up you know but no training at all no martial karate nothing JV level experience wrestling Wow so when you had your first fight how long have you been training for a month a month I fought

twice in a night yeah I think my coach at the time I'm sure that he was on dope looking back. He'd just be pale. We didn't do nothing but ones and twos. Didn't wrestle. Didn't do anything. He would hardly show up. And, you know, they were like, hey, you want to fight?

I was like, all right, cool. And so, dude, I like, it was a very, like, dark time in my life, you know. So like drove up to huntsville alabama smoking newports and uh smoking newport's a day of the fight oh yeah wow and uh man my coach didn't even show up didn't have any corner men this is in a boxing ring in a bar and a smoky bar in the middle of nowhere alabama and uh so i was just like hey um sir do you mind uh you don't have to say anything just do you mind pulling the stool out in between rounds i boxed one fight lost a split decision and then uh fought mma knocked the guy out in 50 seconds and i was like i think that's it in the same night the same night so you had a boxing match, and then you had an MMA fight in the same night.

Oh, my God. No coach. No athletic commission either, I guarantee you. Zero. Holy shit. What kind of fucking promotion is that? Dude, just some rednecks putting together a boxing match or a fight. They called me while I was on the way up there.

They're like, hey, they want you to have your blood work, you know, done within like the last six months. Have you had your blood work done? I was like, yeah, sure. Like two months ago I did. But, dude, of course I didn't. They didn't check. And then as I'm driving, I'm just like, dude,

what if the guy that I'm fighting did the same thing, but he does actually have like hepatitis or AIDS. Right. but he does actually have like hepatitis or AIDS so I was like I guess you know better make it quick I guess don't let him get on top of you and bleed on you Jesus Christ so many people have those stories

of these wild promotions he's like I had no idea what I was doing how much do you think you could learn in a month with zero previous training? And a shitty coach who's probably on dope. Yeah. Fucking like nodding off at shit in the middle of practice.

There's a lot of those coaches like that out there. I was like, fuck, dude, what was I doing? A buddy of mine, his kickboxing coach, was on heroin. He found out by going to the bathroom when he found needles in the bathroom. He's like, what the fuck is going on? I think that's rock bottom. Heroin's a weird one right like when you're shooting heroin yeah i guess he was the same thing he was nodding off

all the time and he kind of suspected yeah you all right dude if i can slap him in the face like wake up dude this is practice it's just that world the world of the heroin user is such a strange world because that that is one of those drugs where like you there is no pre like you could do coke i guess you could party and still have your life together sure like allegedly conor mcgregor does coke you know allegedly i don't know if he does coke it seems like kind of guy who might do a little coke believable believable but that's like a party drug that sometimes people can do and be fine. But if you heard that Conor was shooting heroin, you'd be like, what?

Don't believe it. You'd be like, what? You're like, oh, man, he needs some help. Someone needs to help him. Let me see his arms. Let me check those fingernails. That's when you're hurting. That's when you're really hurting, when you're shooting heroin. That's one of the lowest of low like if you're

just making that commitment to puncture your vein and pump that in there i think that some like the process getting the spoon tying off melting it you know putting it in the syringe and then going to space going to space i've never never done any opiates other than when I had knee surgery. I had a, they gave me a button that you could press. A little morphine drip. And you get a little morphine drip. And I remember hitting that button. It's like, oh, I get it.

Oh, now I know why people like this. It was so relaxing. I don't know about, I don't think that I would never do heroin, but I think I would probably smoke opium, though. Well, there's a friend of mine, his name is Dr. Carl Hart, and he's actually a professor at Columbia. And he started off his career as a clinical researcher. And he was very straight-laced, never did any drugs. And then as time went on, he started realizing that our perceptions on drugs are way off. And what people think of heroin is like being terrible for you,

this is for you too if you want it. Oh, I appreciate it. Or if you want some caffeine. And he recreationally uses drugs and talks about it. But he's like a legitimate professor. So when he talks about it, he can talk about it from a pharmacological perspective, he can talk about the actual reaction

that the human body has to these drugs and he knows it, but he openly says, I snort a little heroin every now and then. I like it. Yeah. He's like, what? I think we all let that DARE officer down, man. We all let him down.

He's very disappointed. Yeah, I guess. Well, you know, he's very disappointed yeah i guess well you know he lied drugs like what's drugs which drugs am i gonna say no to coffee get the out of here like what are we saying no to say no to alcohol always forever i can't even have champagne in a wedding yeah out of here yeah yeah but you know there are like functioning you know alcoholics and people who can do these things, but I think at the end of the day, the drug wins, whatever it is, if you have that. If you're an addict. Yeah, but I think addiction is more than just physical.

It's the choice to start doing so much drugs that your body becomes dependent upon it. Those choices are usually not choices that are made by people that are like having a good life sure you know or then maybe their life is too good well maybe it's a lot of it is escape you know yeah it's trauma trauma as a kid like somebody you know like sexual abuse that kind of shit like that's a lot of people that get hooked on drugs i mean i think you could probably do stuff to get off of that i think like mushrooms is uh good to like get over that dmt wildest ride i've ever had or you know i smoked that toe before and uh yeah i think that

just kind of completely eliminates your ego and kind of helps you get over that kind of stuff. Isn't it hard to believe that it's real? Like when you do it, you're like, how can I get there that quick? How can I just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later I'm there? I did it like three times in one session, like a small, medium, and astronomical dose. And like the second one, I always hear people like astro, like, oh, they're talking about astro projecting and this and that. I was like, whatever.

I'm not sure if I believe that. But, dude, that shit is real. Yeah. And the third time I did it, I laid down and, dude, it was just like Star Wars, just light speed. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Actually, I was in Cejudo's backyard when i did it really and dude he was like uh like running around screaming i was doing forward rolls in his yard because dude i thought

i was like dude i just fucked up dude this is yeah i thought that i'm dead i thought i was dead so you know you kind of like resist you're like oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck so uh i mean i was like running around his backyard, screaming at the top of my lungs, rolling around on the grass. Dude, when I woke up, I wasn't in the same place that I was. And I had, like, grass stains all over my hands and my clothes and stuff. And they're like, dude, are you okay? But, dude, it was like nirvana.

I was like, dude, don't touch me. Just fucking let me enjoy this moment dude face a nice cold grass and watching the grass grow i thought dude just give me a second let me let me take this in it's a reset right yeah it just changes what you think about life and reality just like like that and for me like you know sometimes you have like a hard time admitting things to yourself but i was like dude you know after that i don't uh so i don't think that's an issue anymore you know and uh like what kind of things to yourself could you admit after that um like uh when i fought chiago santos like my style of fighting was much different before than it was after.

It was just because a lot of people were like, I want to take it to my limit. Well, I found my limit in that fight, and I never wanted to get to that place again. Was that a 205 fight? Yeah. So I kind of lied to myself. I was like, oh, dude, you're just tired, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. But now I go back and watch the fights after that, and the pace is slower, the output is slower, because I don't want to get to that, you know, level of exhaustion ever.

And then you do that, and it's like, dude, fuck it, you know. If you get there, you get there, you know. Yeah. So, and, you know, I haven't been able to smoke weed ever since then. I smoke, like, five times, and I get, like, crazy paranoid and anxiety, and I'm just like. After the DMT or after the fight? After the DMT. Really?

And I was like, it's not fun anymore. Huh. It makes you crazy paranoid. Yeah. Like, I did it on the way to the airport. I smoked on the way to the airport, and airport and dude I just could not stop thinking about death I was like dude if I crash this car if I do this and I was like on the airplane or in the airport Just in my head like going crazy

I don't wanna like I hope I don't act out like you know kind of like Go through that rolling around on the ground on TMZ. Yeah, I was like dude They're gonna lock me up in a mental institution and they're not going to be hearing shit about no toe. They're like, dude,

this guy's fucking licking toes. Like, fucking put him in a straight jacket. Like, get him out of here. So it's just not,

it's not enjoyable anymore. That's funny. That's my favorite way to travel. When I fly, I'm almost always a high. Like, what I would do is, when I lived in LA, I was 40 minutes from the airport,

and I would take a 200-milligram edible in my driveway, and I would go, let's go. And then I just had to get to the airport before it kicked in. Yeah, I did that one time on a plane. And, dude, I just was getting like too much. I don't remember how much I took, but I ate like a whole chocolate bar, however much was in that. And, dude, I fell asleep on the plane. I felt the plane take off. I woke up when it landed.

And I left Vegas and landed back in Vegas. Like the plane took off and came back. And it was like, oh, we were fucking had, you know, a malfunction or whatever. And I was like, this cannot fucking be happening to me right now. I was in the middle seat, cramped, like, fuck. It took the plane like an hour to even leave the first time. And you're tripping. And I was like, oh, my God.

This is not how this was supposed to go, man. Well, it's the feeling of not being in control is what accentuates the feeling of being high on a plane. Because when you're just strapped in that seat and you're going 500 miles an hour, you're 30,000 feet in the air, that alone is weird. I was like, how did y'all, why did we have to get in the air for y'all to know that the plane wasn't working right?

Kind of want to get off of this particular airplane right now. Yeah, yeah. That's scary shit. We haven't had a plane crash in a long time. I probably shouldn't say that, knock on wood. But it's been a while. But that feeling of being completely out of control, and then, you know, you hear about pilots being underpaid,

and you're like, oh, fucking pay these guys. Yeah, 300 lives at a time. Yeah, it's just. But I knock out on the plane, dude. Yeah. I put that seat back just a little bit so I'm not straight up. Just a little bit. Put my head on the window and it's over with.

Well, that's one good thing about training all the time is you're always tired. Yeah. Yeah. You could always take a little nap. All the time. I live by naps. I can't sleep more than four hours at a time. Really?

Or whatever. I can't. Always? Your whole life? My whole life. Really? I have to be walking around the house at like three o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning. No shit.

What do you do when that happens? Just fucking them up? Yeah. I used to get up and go run or go work out. But then I found out that overtraining is a real thing. So I was like, dude, even if I can't't sleep it's probably better to just lay here and be still or you know watch tv read a book do something then go out there and train you know have you over trained before yes yeah i've like i've made you i trained i think i think i fought marcus

perez my second fight and dude i trained my ass I was running, and then I'm warming up in the back, and I'm talking about like three minutes into a mitt session. I was fucking exhausted. I was like, whew. Really? Dude, I'm going to sit down, and my coach is like, oh, you got to get moving. I was like, I don't want to leave it in here, buddy.

I'm going to fucking end it. Wow. But, dude, I fought hard for three rounds. But you knew that you were not at your full potential? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, fuck, dude, I fought hard for three rounds. But you knew that you were not at your full potential. Yeah. I was like, fuck, dude. If this shit gets hectic, it's going to get – you go bad really quick. I think that's the most helpless thing is when you're so tired you can't defend yourself.

And I did not want that to happen, but luckily it went my way. Yeah, that's the scariest thing for any fighter, to be in that position, especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank. Yeah. went my way yeah that's the scariest thing for any fighter to be in that position especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank yeah you know when it's like when when guys level up when you get to this level of like like this max holloway level dudes who have crazy volume and never get tired and you see guys like in the middle of a fight with holloway sometimes when they're like what the fuck is going on how is this guy not tired yeah like how does he keep going and it fights like that do you guys see that shit live to like truly appreciate it yes like uh I was there when he fought uh Ortega oh yeah and I was like

I've watched him fight on tv and it's like oh fuck dude he's just picking and popping but dude he's got some fucking thump you know yeah he's got some he just doesn. He's just picking and popping. But, dude, he's got some fucking thump, you know, behind those. Yeah, he's got some thump. He just doesn't. He's just so smart. The way he fights is so smart. Like, super high volume, a lot of footwork and movement. And his distance intelligence, his knowing when to come in and when to come out, and how he was, like, slipping away from Ortega.

And then he's helping him block. Remember that shit? He's like, put your hands up in this, bro. Fuck, I'm tired, dude. Stop hitting me. Stop hitting me. I mean, helping him in the middle of the fight, blocking. Yeah, he was in the zone for sure.

Well, the Calvin Cater fight was the one when he was really the most in the zone. When he was in the middle of that fight, he's got his hands down, and he's talking to people on the side of the cage. He's like, I'm the best fucking boxer in MMA. And then Calvin's throwing punches at him, and he's talking to people on the side of the cage. He's like, I'm the best fucking boxer in MMA. And then Calvin's throwing punches at him, and he's just moving his head away with his hands down. And Calvin, up until that, was like, you know, he still is one of the best featherweight contenders. But up until that, it was like, hey, man, this guy might be a champion someday. Well, his boxing, he's also got superb boxing.

Yes. And he got outboxed. also got superb boxing yeah and he got out box she got pieced up yeah he got pieced up i mean that was like one of max's finest performances but it's like that joke goes to show you how fucking good yair rodriguez is because that fight was wild yeah that fight was why i watched that fight again a couple of weeks ago i was in the gym and i put it on i was working out i stopped working out just to watch that fight i was like holy fuck i forgot how good this he's a lot tougher than i thought he was yeah he was bad i was like fuck dude his kicks are crazy like he he had high volume real power and fast as shit and like more like a taekwondo style than even like muay thai style but it's real dangerous, man.

You know who I appreciated when I saw them fight live? I was there when Robbie Lawler fought Nick Diaz. Oh, yeah. Just watching him on TV, he just kind of looks like he's just... I was like, dude, this motherfucker's got fast-ass hands, and he ain't even fought in three or four years, and he was changing up the speed. I was like, dude, this dude's fucking way better.

Nick at his prime was amazing. Did you ever see one of the great fights of Strikeforce was Nick versus Paul Daly? Did you ever see that fight? Yes. Woo! Yeah. Because Paul Daly has one of the most lethal left hands that's ever, ever been thrown in all of MMA. That fucking dude nukes everybody. And he hurt

Nick a couple of times in that fight. And that was a crazy fight because Nick was the guy that was known as a jiu-jitsu black bell. I mean, yeah, he had knocked out Robbie Lawler, but Paul Daly was one of the scariest strikers to ever fight in MMA. I mean, still to this day, one of my favorite knockout artists.

Because he just nukes everybody. He hits you with that left hand, you're fucked. And he fights left hand forward, too, which is kind of crazy. Then he just recently retired, right? Yep. Yeah, he just had, and he knocked his last opponent out, which is perfect. That's how you gotta go out. That's like the dream scenario. It's perfect.

So they, I mean, they went to war, and Paul hurt him. Paul hurt him bad. And the way Paul punches, I mean, it to war and Paul heard him Paul heard him bad and the way Paul punches I mean, it's a fucking amazing Look at that. I mean almost had kicked him there. Oh, he was down. Is that illegal back then? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it was illegal back then. It's not illegal in at 1fc though But here's the thing Paul while he's doing this is like unloading the gas tank every shot is full clip So he's essentially sprinting and that is like oneing the gas tank every shot is full clip so he's essentially sprinting

and that is like one of nick diaz's things he talks shit to you and he never throws full blast so he's hitting you with like 60 50 he's he's touching you he's touching you but he's talking a lot of shit he's there at the finish line It's like even when he's throwing these kicks, he's not throwing them with everything he's got. But Paul is already tired. Paul just sprinted trying to get Nick out of there because he gets everybody out of there. Everybody who stands in front of him, he was blasting.

And this fight goes into deep water in this first round. And Nick starts seeing him slow down. So he starts attacking him. And right when you think that Paul's done, Paul is taking a little break. Paul clips him again and hurts so he starts attacking him. And right when you think that Paul's done, Paul's taking a little break, Paul clips him again and hurts him again in the fight. I mean, it was

one of the best performances of Nick Diaz's career. People that know how good Nick is, a lot of people, they don't know him from these days, from the Strikeforce days. that looks slow on tv but oh it's not i bet you in real life it's like he's fucking whipping you oh yeah and he knows

like when to throw hard right like half the time he's pity patting you but when he's got openings he throws hard yeah and so he winds up on the bottom here but this is like the problem is you know chael sonnen once said like if you don't win by knockout and you try to win by knockout, you're definitely going to lose by decision. And that's kind of like what happened in this fight. Like, look at this. Paul is, he's so tired. He's done.

Yeah, he's so tired. And Nick knows it, too. So, look, he's throwing kicks at him. And Nick is a guy that swam back and forth from out. Look, he clipped him again, though. See? Dropped him again. And maybe if Paul had dropped him early in the fight like that,

and he got him in this position, he would have been able to really hurt him. But Nick has swam back from Alcatraz five times. His cardio is fucking crazy. He does triathlons. How far is that? I don't know. It's like at least a mile in the water. Yeah.

I would say, like, the current is, like, super strong. And it's filled with great white sharks. But the point is, it's like, Nick had phenomenal cardio. That was one of his biggest weapons, as he could keep the heat on you. Two to 2.5 miles. How does the distance change? Fuck.

Wow. Current? Yeah, probably current. Current pushes you. So look at, yeah, look at the current works. So you're not in a straight shot. You're getting pushed away. Wow.

That's pretty wild. That's pretty wild. Look how far you actually have to go. Yeah, I said, oh, man, you know, I think I'm just going actually go for a little swim today but it's filled with sharks that's the thing it's like that's where sharks breed there's a shitload of sharks up there they find them all the time with drones it's really spooky because people don't even know walking around next to the fly a drone over a man just and you see like a fucking 15-foot shark just

swimming around with people yes a boy we don't fuck with the ocean like that man I get my toes wet you know I enjoy the waves enjoy the smell of the salt water but the ankle deeps best bars I'm going I'm with you I will do a little bit of snorkeling near coral reefs like if I'm on vacation as long as I get like a hundred percent confirmation there's no sharks in this area. There's a lot of stuff in there that can get me. Take my chances on land, man. It's dangerous enough out here.

The thing about it is like you can't move good in there. That's what's fucked. You can't get away. You know, whatever it is, if it pulls you under, even if you don't like bleed to death or lose your leg or whatever, you're going to drown, which is probably one of the worst ways to fucking die. They say it's one of the most peaceful ways because you just kind of black out yeah i'm gonna panic a lot before i black out i'm gonna exert a lot and swallow a lot of water before uh

before i black out yeah it's not fun but it's like those fights like you it's it's interesting to me the different kind of styles right like? Like, there's the guys that sprint, and they can get guys out of there in the first round. And then there's guys that just, like, slowly start putting heat on you and cooking you, and then they come after you. Yeah, then, yeah. I don't know.

I like the brawlers. But there is something to be appreciated for, like, the technicians, like the Adesanyas and, you know mcgregor's and stuff like that uh it's a really interesting fight this weekend okay yeah that is about as big as a 185 pound man gets yeah and i think he's like super deceptively long like he's short i think he's only five eight five nine or five ten something like that but dude he bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up I think he's only 5'8", 5'9", or 5'10", something like that. But dude, I bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up. I think he's bigger than that. I think Jared

is, I think he's six feet tall. How tall is Kananir? 5'9"? Really? Wow. I'm confused. I thought, he used to be a heavyweight. That's why I'm thinking it. Because, you know, Jared started off his career as a heavyweight. And then got down to 205, and then but look at his reach he's 5'9 with a 77 and a half reach

yeah yeah that is a long reach the thing about jared is like he's so shredded and lean and strong like that guy has serious power like serious serious, serious power. Don't sleep. Yeah. But I think the problem is I don't think anybody controls the distance as good as Adesanya does. No, he's the most sophisticated striker the sport's ever seen, in my opinion. He sets shit up. He's reading you. He's probing you.

You know when you really see it? The Paulo Costa fight because Paulo Costa was just steamrolling everybody. Just come forward, steamroll, steamroll. And Izzy just picked him apart. Yeah, from a distance. Yeah. I think the only person who, like, not the only person who gave him trouble, but was Kelvin Gasol. Kelvin gave him some trouble.

Kind of, like, blitzed him a lot. Well, Kelvin, you know, especially then in that fight, you know, Calvin has had some good fights and bad fights, but in that fight Calvin was at the top of his fucking game. So I don't think Kent Neer has that same like speed changeup that. That Calvin does. That Calvin does. Well, Calvin has like very smooth and efficient hands.

Like when Calvin throws his hands in combination, the knockout of Bisping, that straight left, he's so efficient. Everything is so smooth. He's a lot bigger than you would think. He trains the fight ready, too. So it says he's 6 feet tall. I don't know. Maybe it was saying 5.9 instead of actually 5.9 on that other thing.

Oh, that makes sense. So almost 6 feet tall. And here it says 6 feet tall. He's definitely not 5'9 on that other thing. Oh, that makes sense. So almost six feet tall. And here it says six feet tall. He's definitely not 5'9. That makes more sense. Yeah, because I'm like, I think he's bigger than that. Because when he was heavyweight, he was a big guy.

Yeah. Either way, it's an interesting fight. Like, skill-wise, as far as, like, the sophistication of striking, Izzy is the man. But Jared is a dangerous guy. He knocks a lot of fucking people out. And he knocked out Blonde Brunson. Derek Brunson, when he was blonde...

Speaking of that, he's 6'1". Brunson is? So he looks a couple inches taller than... But who knows who has shoes on? Sometimes, because if Jared is weighing in last, that means Jared might not have put his shoes back on.

It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. It hasn't at 5'11". Okay, well, whatever. Whatever he is, he's awesome. And he's 37, huh? I used to picture him as a heavyweight, too. Interesting. This is his first title shot, too.

Yeah, he was way bigger. He's all shredded now. But he's, again, he's 185 for about an hour. He's another one. Yeah, I wonder when he walks back into the... He looks big. He looks big. And it's like he's very durable and very strong.

And the knockout of Brunson was a big one. Because Derek, you know, when he's blonde Brunson, blonde Brunson was... He was on a roll, man. Yeah, yeah. He beat a lot of tough, tough guys. That's an interesting fight. There's two really interesting fights on the card

other than the main event. To me, it's Alex Pereira and Sean Strickland. That's where the rubber hits the road. Yeah, dude. Those motherfuckers are going to meet in the middle and let him ride. We're going to find out. Zero's where the rubber hits the road. Dude, those motherfuckers are going to meet in the middle and let him ride. We're going to find out. Zero takedown attempts in that fight.

Unless Strickland gets hit. If Strickland gets hit and he gets cracked, I guarantee. He's diving. Strickland can fight on the ground. He's got a ground game. He's got a ground game. And Michelaitis, was it Michelaitis? How do you say his name he was able

to take um pereira down oh the greek guy yeah and you know pereira won in the second round with that flying knee that crazy flying knee and that was like his first fight in the ufc right yeah that was his first fight in ufc yeah in madison square garden so you know yeah you know now he's got his feet wet a little bit uh little bit Bruno Silva he just fought was desperately tried to take him down that guy's a bad motherfucker Silva can share he's a really good striker and he hit Alex yeah he hit Alex with some good shots there was a point where he's like dude fuck this stand-up shit but you can't take him down dude he's you know had him up against the cage on space and and he did a really good job staying on his feet.

Well, what Alex has done that's very interesting to me is he teamed up with Glover. And when he teamed up with Glover, I mean, it's an interesting camp. Like, who's going to Connecticut to fight for world titles, right? Glover. And Glover's resurgence all coincides with him training with Alex. Really? When Alex came and started training with him,

that's when Glover really made his last run and got to the title and beat Jan. Why do you think that is? That's all connected, because I think iron sharpens iron. I think he needed a fucking assassin in camp with him, like a young assassin like Pereira. But do you think they spar heavy, like beat the shit out of each other, spar?

Probably not, right? Probably not. Probably not. Probably draw a little bit more. Not at 42, probably not right probably not probably not at 42 probably not strickland does though uh that motherfucker like travels just to spar apparently that's all he wants to do is just spar all day hard he spars hard all day spars with everybody i believe it you know i mean that's bobby green said it bobby green's like trained with him and seen like what he does. He's like, that motherfucker goes hard with everybody.

He just goes hard. I've seen Eric Nixick post a picture of him sparring with Nganou. He's like, dude, he's the only motherfucker in the gym who seeks that guy out. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I sparred with that dude one time. And I was like, listen, dude, you're a fucking big motherfucker. I'm not a big motherfucker. So, you know, he's like, ho, ho, you won't die.

But I can't. Now, getting hurt, that's another thing. I was like. Ha, ha, you won't die. Yeah, I was like, ah, but maybe. Meanwhile, he's saying this. He's fucking got someone else's blood all over his rash guard and shit. Oh, no.

So I was like, dude. So when the round started, I tried to grab him. And of course, you know, he sprawled and I spent the whole time in half guard with him beating my body up. And he's like,

oh, you thought that'd be easy, huh? I was like, no, dude, I didn't. I didn't. I thought it was just the lesser of two evils. You know?

I thought that would be easy. Either you doing that or you thumping me in my head. So, you know. Well, Strickland was brought in to help Johnny Elbin who just beat Gegard

Mousasi for the Bellator middleweight championship. So did you watch that fight? I haven't. I saw the clips that he was fucking putting that work in. I was very impressed. Very impressed. Mousasi is nice man. Very nice. He is one of the best middleweights

on earth and Johnny won every fucking round. He was hurting him, too. Hurt him, dropped him early in the first round, had him really badly hurt, took him down, dominated him on the ground. I mean, won every fucking round. And there's a fight where he was like a big underdog coming into that fight for good reason.

Those are the fights I like to bet on, though. Yeah. If I see plus 900, I'm throwing something at it. Every rep. Yeah, well, in that one, a lot of people were really high on Elbin going into that fight, and that's one of the reasons why I was so interested in it. A lot of those ATT guys were very high on him.

And this is after Gegard had destroyed Austin Vanderfield. He fucked him up quick. And then Gegard was saying after the fight, I am the best middleweight on earth. had destroyed Austin Vanderfield he he him up quick and so a lot of people and then gay guy was saying after the fight like I am the best middleweight on earth and he's the guy that I was always like damn I wish I wish he hadn't gone over to Bellator because like he had beat Chris Weidman and I was how many fights does he have okay hard he's like 47 and something tanner solid yeah bro he beat mark hunt I'm like, yeah, damn, dude. Bro, he beat Mark Hunt.

I'm pretty sure he submitted him, if I remember correctly. I think he up-kicked him and caught him with a triangle or something. I'm trying to remember what the fuck happened in that fight. But he can do everything. Gegard can do everything. Really well, too. And you look at him, he looks like the guy who was here to fix your fucking computer you know they wear his glasses to right he's so unassuming and even the way he talks so unassuming that's the cool

thing about like jiu-jitsu and martial arts or whatever like boxers like motherfuckers look like straight arm bar or caught him with an arm bar oh it was you know we he beat Jacare he KO'd him with an up kick. That's what it is. And he beat Melvin Manhoef with a triangle. Man, he's beat everybody. Dennis Kang. Jesus Christ.

He's beat everybody, man. He beat Lombard. What's his record? Something preposterous. It was like 49-8-2 or something like that. Jesus Christ. 49 wins. 28 knockouts. So Austin Vanderfold, John Stalter, Douglas Lima, It was like 49-8-2 or something like that. Jesus Christ. 49 wins. And Johnny Odom.

28 knockouts. So Austin Vanderfold, John Stalter, Douglas Lima, and Lyoto Machida. And he lost to Lovato. And that was an interesting fight. He was complaining that he thought Lovato was on steroids. But that's just because when you get in, you clinch up with a guy like Lovato multiple-time world jiu-jitsu champion Yeah, your your ego does not want you to believe that the guys that strong or that good that grapple with Lovato

and I was that This is like the friendly he could kill me There's like nothing and it is like effortless. Yeah, he's just kind of like floating around and who else is like that is a Gordon Ryan. Oh, yeah, I was I do this motherf this is like mauling me right now i'm trying yeah he's just yeah his heart rate barely goes up yep all right it's time for you to tap my buddies i know it up isn't it interesting when someone does that when you roll with somebody and they just kind of baby you and they're still like completely in control that's the levels of jiu-jitsu that are so disconcerting because you feel like oh i'm at a pretty good level you know i can defend um you know i'll be fine so you think that's also

a cool thing about mma there's not a whole lot of like uh there's a lot more humble people in because you know i do I get choked out on a daily basis so I know that I can get fucked up yeah like in a locker room you know

there's like three or four alpha males no one ever tries them so they don't even know right some dude who looks like Gengar Musas who will fuck you up

choke you unconscious or knock you out there's nothing you can do about it if you saw Austin Vanderford right next to Gengar you're like oh this this is a gorilla with the fucking ears and the tattoos There's nothing you can do about it. If you saw Austin Vanderford right next to Gegard, you're like, oh, this is a gorilla with the fucking ears and the tattoos all over his neck.

That guy's going to win. That guy looks like a killer fighter. And Gegard just lit him up on fire. And even the way he talks, everything's nice and soft. There's a cool thing about jiu-jitsu, dude. You can't just look at somebody and be like, brush them out like dude grab your neck it's over with oh there's a ton of guys that are like nerd assassins

yeah yeah they're they're built like tex like a ryan hall yes perfect example dude i got sperm bigger than you dude chill out chill yeah but those guys actually roll with them it's so confusing it's the beautiful art because with jujitsu it's the one martial art where the big guy can get dominated by the little guy sure because in the reality is any other world where like a the size of, say, Michael Chandler has zero chance against a guy the size of Francis Ngannou. Zero. Like, zero. Like, if they're sparring, like, if they're just going to throw hands, he has zero chance. I'm putting all my chips on the big guy.

All of them. But in jiu-jitsu, if you get a guy like Charles Oliveira, who's that good at jiu-jitsu, he could strangle a fucking heavyweight. Yeah, sure. And I've seen it. I've seen it happen. He probably could. Oh, yeah. I've seen it.

A guy who doesn't know jiu-jitsu gets, and he's rolling just doing jiu-jitsu with a guy like him, and he gets your back. Oliveira's jiu-jitsu is some of the best I've ever seen in MMA. It's like world championship caliber jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu, but he's doing it in an MMA match. He's the one guy where it doesn't matter what happens in the fight. If you go to the ground with him, you're in deep shit. Like that Dustin

Poirier fight. They're all scared to do it. Like Gaethje had him hurt and he's like, no, no, no. You see what happened when he dropped Gaethje and then he got on top of him. He just strangles you. Just goes straight to it. I bet he's had a resurgence, too,

because I remember when he kind of got on this roll, they were like, oh, dude, no, I don't think so, because he's a quitter. Yeah. He's weak. I'm like, all right, dude, fuck that. Isn't that interesting? I wonder what it is that changes in a fighter. Is it a mindset thing? I don't know what it is, but something happens where some guys just don't quit anymore. They just get to this level and something changes. grew up with Olivera in uh Guadalajara Brazil and so she knows him really well and he just

kind of eliminated all the negative people out of his life really uh so I guess probably started taking training more seriously you know put more time and effort in the gym and not so much into other people I talked to now he's like knocking people out. Yeah, knocking people out, strangling people. It was the most submissions ever in the history of the sport. He's the one guy that I really wish Khabib would have fought.

Like, now. Like, if Khabib was going to come back and I wonder, I mean, I'm very interested in Khabib

versus Islam Makhachev because that's, to me, that's the big fight in lightweight. Khabib or Charles? Did I say Khabib? I meant Charles.v. Because to me, that's the big fight in lightweight. Khabib or Charles? Did I say Khabib?

I meant Charles. I meant Oliveira. Oliveira versus Islam Makhachev. But if Islam Makhachev loses to Charles Oliveira, then if Khabib had like one more in him. You don't think there's a price tag they could throw at him? That's what I'm saying. They need to break the bank.

Bro, he's as heavy as you right now, though. That's fine. Hey, baby, money's a motivator. I know, it is a motivator. Throw a couple of M's at him. That's what I'm saying. They need to break the bank. Bro, he's as heavy as you right now, though. That's fine. Hey, baby, money's a motivator. I know, it is a motivator. Throw a couple of M's at him. He's like, shit, I'll get down. We can do it at 70. It doesn't even matter.

I don't know if he's motivated by money. You don't think so? I don't know. He's an interesting guy. I mean, to be as dominant as Khabib was for as long as he is, and, you know, super religious. Guy drives a Toyota truck, you know, worth millions of dollars. Everything's got a price toyota truck you know everything's got a price tag i know everything everything's got a price tag but i wonder i wonder what that price tag is like what is it is it 50. like what is it is it what is that what's the what's the sound

like what's the number that has to come out before it's like the record skips i don't know yeah exactly what did you say say that again all right cool how long did you say when 60 million dollars yeah dude anybody on planet earth yeah i wonder you know because there's there's paydays that happen you know like when pacquiao fought floyd you know when con Conor fought Floyd. Floyd's obviously been involved in most of the big, big, big, big paydays. But there's paydays that happen where you go, ooh. Yeah. He gets a lot of shit. People say he's not smart.

Floyd? I don't know what his reading level is, but business mind? Dude, the dude's fucking smart as shit. Saying he's not smart because he doesn't have a high reading level, because he doesn't read a lot, is like saying that someone who's like really good at something else, like really good at playing chess, but sucks at jiu-jitsu is dumb because they suck at jiu-jitsu. It's like, how much time has he spent trying to read? Yeah, exactly.

Almost none, right? But how much time has he spent at boxing? Fucking his whole life. You can't be that good at boxing and not be smart right it's not possible even like the business aspect like he bought himself out of his contract for like 250 000 and then uh a few few years later ends up fighting for 300 yeah so you know who's the dummy well he's smart enough to know how good he is yeah he was talking about triple g because you know, who's the dummy? Well, he's smart enough to know how good he is. Yeah. He was talking about Triple G because, you know, Triple G's about to fight Canelo. And he's like, even at 40 years old, he's like, he's easy.

He goes, Triple G ain't nothing. He's nothing special. He's easy. And the way he said it, it's like, I don't think he's bragging. I believe you. He pieced up Canelo, man. When he fought Canelo, he gave him a boxing lesson. What do you think happens now?

I don't know. I don't know. You know, like, Floyd is 40, and he also hasn't really been fighting. I mean, he's been fighting, but he's fighting guys like Logan Paul. Exhibitions. Exhibitions. I mean, when he was fighting in Japan, he actually walked around, or in Saudi Arabia, he walked around with, was it Dubai?

Where the fuck did he fight when he fought that exhibition Arabia he walked around with it was it Dubai where the way the fuck did he fight when he fought that exhibition he walked around with a ring card girls card he took her card and he did he was having a good time entertaining the crowd so he's more of like a showman now he fought that tension not soo-kawa and that guy weighs like 125 pounds yeah that guy's tiny like that was like a crazy fight but made a lot of money time wins yeah father time father time wins but the guy doesn't drink he's always in phenomenal shape still stays in condition still sparring in the gym still working out bernard hopkins had some of his best fights in his 40s yeah yeah and it's And it's because Bernard was super disciplined. Always super disciplined.

Bernard was never out of shape. Bernard never ate bullshit. And Bernard fought like with a very defensive minded, very intelligent strategy. Really aware. Knew exactly what he was doing at every moment.

Never opened up. Bernard Hopkins never like wide swinging punches. Everything was this and he structurally perfect very defensively responsible i don't know how people do that like whenever i'm whenever i train i can do it for like a short period of time when i'm not training or like getting ready for a fight in particular like yeah i'll still like stay in shape but not fighting shape but dude i gotta have a have a drink or, you know, eat bullshit.

It's good for the soul, man. Those guys must not have souls. Well, some of the greats agreed with you, like Roberto Duran. Roberto Duran, like one of the greats of all time, unnegotiable. No one will disagree. And Roberto got fat as fuck in the train fights. That's how Sugar Ray got him the second time. He gave him a short amount of time to get ready, and Roberto was really fat.

He was like 190 pounds. I feel like they made a movie about that. Well, it's a documentary. The Four Kings. That's what it is, right? Isn't that the Showtime documentary? Isn't it called Four Kings? It's about Sugar Ray, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran, and Marvin Hagler.

It's phenomenal. You have to check it out. If you are a boxing fan, it's phenomenal. Because those guys were just all going back and forth with each other. What's it? Is that what it's called, the Four Kings? I think that's what it is. It's a Showtime documentary. Yeah?

Yeah. There's a book called Four Kings. The Kings is all it is. Oh, it's The Kings? That's what it is? Yeah. Okay. But it's about those guys.

There it is. The Kings. Fucking great. I can't recommend it enough. If you want to get excited about working out, watch that. Because in there, Primes, manimes man god damn there was some fights when when when Roberto Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal holy shit holy shit Marvin was always my favorite when I was a kid because I lived in Boston and he was is he from Boston he

was yes the from Brockton he was the he's the from brockton he was the man he was the i mean that was the guy representing boston on the like the the world map of boxing did he always live and train in oh yeah he would go to the cape it was like a famous story we we tried to find it but i watched this thing when i was a kid it was like a news story and Marvin was training for Mustafa ham show and he was running on the beach and it was like freezing cold out and he was running in combat boots he would run in combat boots anyways ankle weights I just I guess he just wanted to he was like he was going to war so he put these boots on it was was running on the beach in boots. And he was screaming war. Really?

To this day, man. I was like, I don't know. I was like 16 or 17. And I was watching. I was like, fuck. They filmed him doing it? Yeah. He's running on the beach going, war!

War! And he was the champ. It was Marvin Hagler. And it's just like the discipline that he had. That It was Marvin Hagler And it's just like The discipline that he had Like that guy was in phenomenal shape And he would put a pace on people man He would just

He was an excellent boxer The best switch hitter in the game at the time And his like workout routine Like his calisthenics routine was legendary I mean that guy was always in tip-top shape again never got fat never got out of shape he was phenomenal in his prime he was phenomenal and when he when he finally beat tommy hearns when he knocked out tommy hearns and like one of the greatest fights of all time that was when he finally got his due but like his physique like i mean marvin was fucking

shredded and you know there was like he had a chip on his shoulder too because like for years and years he was winning and beating everybody he's the champ but didn't quite get his due yeah you know like he always felt like they passed him by when they were glorifying sugar ray or glorifying tommy hearns that was the most dangerous motherfucker somebody fighting for something yeah you know he's like i'll put some respect on my name yeah he always had a chip on his shoulder and i think he needed that chip to get you know really ramped up about stuff sure you know but fuck man some of his fights john the beast mugabe when he knocked out Mugabe. Did you ever see that guy fight?

Uh-uh. John the Beast Mugabe was terrifying. He was a murderous puncher, and he was knocking everybody out. But the thing about Hagler was, one of the things about him was his chin was incredible. They did an analysis. I think they did an MRI on him or something, but they found out that the muscles on the sides of his head were three times larger than a normal person. So he had built in head guard.

Hagler had muscles on the side of his fucking head. Do you think he developed that or is it just... Could be. Could be. If you think if you had a mouthpiece in all the time and you're you're biting down I think of that there are muscles there Yeah, you know when you see someone like your jaw muscles though, you definitely can develop jaw muscles I know there's a lot of people have done

workouts where they take like like a elastic band and they'll wrap it in like an elastic band, and they'll wrap it in like athletic tape, and they clamp down on it. And then they'll pull, and they'll do things with their jaw to develop their jaw muscles. You see that works your neck out too? It does work your neck out a little, but the best thing for the neck is something that you're just using your neck,

like an iron neck. You use an iron neck. Yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, that thing's the best thing for the neck. I think the strength of your neck has a lot to do with how you can take a punch. I don't know if it's like maybe it absorbs it better or it keeps it from whipping too hard when you get hit. 100%, that's it.

I just think there's a correlation between like the strength of your neck and how durable you could be definitely definitely yeah no doubt the thing about the like there's there's certain shots where you can get hit where it doesn't matter like temple shots temple shots are weird or like on the tip of your tip of your chin yeah it's weird like the the human body's not designed to get hit you know it's like there's vulnerable spots but dude it's crazy i think like humans are like the most durable and fragile thing ever right you see like here's somebody getting hit by a car and he's like oh shit fucking somebody step off a curb and you know tear their acl or break their leg i'm like how the fuck did that happen?

Well, we vary a lot. Sure. That was the thing about Hagler. It was like no one could hurt him. Even Tommy Hearns broke his hand on him in that fight. But Mugabe hit him in an uppercut, snapped Hagler's head back, and Hagler just kept, boom, kept moving forward. You could see Mugabe like, what the fuck?

And he eventually stopped him the only guy that ever knocked him down was juan roldan and juan roldan was a bullshit knockdown he like kind of like cuffed him behind the head pulled him down and pulled him down they called it a knockdown and haggard got up was like what the fuck and they called it a knockdown it's fucked up it's fucked up because like that was his career. The guy never got knocked down. And this is one bullshit knockdown. And then he wound up stopping and rolled down in that fight. What do you think about Colby and Ushman?

You think Colby took Ushman down? You think it counts as two points? Yeah, Colby took him down. If DC says he took him down, he took him down. That's two. He says zero takedowns. Yeah, that's not correct. I go with Cormier. You go with the Olympic wrestler. That's two. He says zero takedowns. Yeah, that's not correct. I go with Cormier.

You go with the Olympic wrestler. Sure, sure. The Olympic wrestler says he took him down. Look, Colby's a hell of a fucking wrestler. He's a hell of a fighter. And maybe he would be the champ if it wasn't for Usman, but he's in that Usman era. Yeah, poor him. It's funny because Usman tells everybody, like, that's my gatekeeper.

You got to beat Colby if you want a shot at the title. And then Colby, like, that's my gatekeeper. You got to beat Kobe if you want a shot at the title. And then Kobe's like, fuck. Because it's like, you know, he's got a point. Yeah, that's true. He got him twice. He beat him twice. And, you know, there were good fights, but it was clear who won. The first one he stopped him.

The second one he dropped him, hurt him bad twice. I mean, he's the fucking man. His hands got real fucking good, too. He used to just wrestle people, and that's why he probably had that 10-fight win streak before he got a title fight, because no one wants to just watch somebody wrestle, and he started putting hands on people.

Oh, shit, okay. Well, he got the 10-fight win streak before he got a shot at the title because nobody wanted to fight him. Yeah. He was mauling everybody. The thing about Usman is, if you watch up until like the Colby fights nobody's even really giving him a hard time Colby at least gave him some hard rounds but everybody else gets mauled I mean what he did to Tyron Woodley like to win the title like shit we never saw anybody do that

before that man it's crazy you see some of these guys like they're beating like the ease in which they're beating the top guys like the fuck. Yeah. How is he that much better? And it's not like an attribute thing, right? It's not like everybody at the top is big, strong, fast, has all the attributes. There's something else like probably like mentally that they do for preparation or whatever. Because you have to be consistent too. There are some guys like, oh, he's really good,

but sometimes he don't show up on fight night. And these motherfuckers are showing up every night against every opponent. And I think that's the difference between like a mid-tier guy and the 1% of the one percent is the guys who show up consistently and can perform in any situation adverse situation and some of these guys like ushman adesanya all the other yeah they do it with ease and like yeah what the fuck well i mean adesanya's had tough fights right he lost to jan bohovich that was a tough fight and you know he's he's had like difficult moments inside the octagon but figured it out but Khabib never even had a tough moment yeah I'm not even sure he's ever been hit for real he got hit Michael Johnson Johnson cracked

him he hit him with a good punch and rocked him a little but then he wanted to beat the shit out of Johnson and saying you got to quit I need the title fight he's you know I deserve this you know I deserve this that's gotta be demoralizing like fuck dude you know you might have a point that was one of those uh moments where I'm like please tap please yeah because I was waiting for that like when Frank Mir fought Noguera and snapped his arm like when he had him in that full kimura I'm like Jesus Christ Johnson please tap please tap because it's coming the same with Makachev and Dan Hooker when makachev had dan hooker like that i'm like oh please tap please tap because that camaro when you don't tap that is a nasty brain yeah spiral oh yeah it's like the worst one you can have outside of a compound yeah when they when that thing snaps

too it's like now you're fucked for maybe the rest of your life dude when fray mir did that's in nogara nogara just kind of looked over got up he was like oh you know i don't know if that's right but uh how they do are you not in pain right now dude does that not hurt because it looks like it hurts well how about when um muniz did it to jacare yeah yeah we could hear that one like Yeah, we could hear that one. Was it No Crowd? Was it in the Apex? I don't remember.

I feel like that one would echo. It was loud. It was loud. Whatever it was was loud. Like you could hear the crack. But you could also see the arm give in. And he's been in that position. He gets to that position multiple times.

He got me like that. I don't want to go my though here it is so he rolls and see jacare's right arm is right now and then watch how he turns watch this that just hurts watching it yeah was he uh the best jiu jitsu guy you've ever fought muniz by far and away, for sure. What was it like? Like, he wasn't, like, super strong. He was just, like, a step ahead, you know? Like, he was on my back, fell off my back, and I thought that he,

because he had my leg, too, so I was, like, kind of doing a split, so I thought he was going for that. That knee bar off the back. I don't know what it is. Like, Funkmaster hit it on Cody Stamett. Yeah, that knee bar. I was like, nah, I ain't going out like that. But then he, like, tucked my hand into his hip.

And then, so I was like, I didn't even realize. And I knew that I knew the, it's great because I prepared for that arm bar. Like, I knew that that was his thing. But I thought he was going for the leg and I'd be able to post and get up and they like his face was right there so i was like maybe i can get it with my arm and i was like um it's too late and it kind of sucks because you're like thinking about he's like damn i'm kind of stuck here my arm's not broke yet but it's hurting My arms not broke yet, but it's hurting Should I just let it break?

Just no I think Think I'll tap and save my save my arm. Yeah, fuck that and I could you know millisecond all those thoughts go through your head is your arms like I Do fuck it especially with that guy cuz you've seen him break arms. Yeah, you know like Frank Mir That guy gets your arm just tap Me broke two arms who else broke two arms inside the octagon You know Frank Mir's probably the leading arm breaker in the history this warm collector Yeah, I mean he broke no Gara's arm, and he broke Tim Sylvia's arm to top flight guys to world champion fuck his arm and he broke tim sylvia's arm two top flight guys two world champions yeah fuck fuck

no who knows what the frank mir would have happened to him if he didn't get hit by that car you know he was on a motorcycle some ran a red light slammed into him sent him flying and heavy fracture of his his they had a video of that right i don't know i don't know like a cctv kind of maybe i don't know i never saw it but i know that it took him forever before he came back before he was 100 again it took forever especially on a weight-bearing bone you know it takes a little bit longer well look at connor he's a big guy it's been a year plus for connor like how long has it been since he lost he broke his leg with dustin i want to say it was July of last year. I'm not sure. Somewhere around there.

He's just started kicking the bag. Just started doing it now. What I had heard was that just a few months ago he couldn't pivot off of it. He couldn't torque. He wanted to throw a left hook and pivot off his left leg. He couldn't do it. But it looks like he's getting better now.

I mean, he's throwing kicks with it. You have to think that, like, when he goes into his next fight, how much is he going to kick? That certainly has got to be on, like, the back of your mind. Like, man, I broke that shit one time. But also now he's got a titanium plate in it. Like, if you could just get plates all over your shit. Fucking a Wolverine. Right. Like, imagine if someone, like,

you know how dudes in baseball they get that Tommy John surgery? There's guys who get surgeries that don't need it, because they want to be able to throw better. Yeah, because it's like the rehab and they tighten up that tendon or ligament or whatever. I talked to my friend, the late, great Brody Stevens,

and he was saying that it's very rare that guys have done that, but he does believe that people have done it. They've gotten elective surgery just so they could throw harder. And I'm like, that's pretty crazy. But if you could get your forearms done, your upper arms done, your thigh done. I just want my skull done. I wonder if that's possible. I wonder if you could get your chin done. I just want my skull done. I can't just... Tink, tink, tink, tink.

I wonder if that's possible. I wonder if you could, like, get your chin done. Make it harder. I broke my hand, and they had put a plate in there. And I don't think it makes it harder. No? Dude, that was agony, dude. I broke it in a fight.

I broke it fighting Theodoro. And, dude, it didn't really hurt. Like, I could tell that I broke. like it my hand just felt a little looser Yeah, and you know I could do this and see this little bone or whatever go up and down but after the fight took a shower sat in the stands watch the rest of the car carried my son out of there and But after surgery did I was like this fucking this is agony dude, and they did they uh surgery did I was like this fucking this is agony dude and they do they uh it looks like an erector set there's like a plate there and like screws that I'm sure I'm sure they fucking use the power drill the fucking and drill that shit in

there I was like I see the x-ray I was like dude that's why this shit hurts fucking so does it hurt still no not at. How long did it take before it felt okay again? I think like six weeks. I think I fought him in December, and then I fought again in maybe June. But you are – No, April, because I fought Roundtree after him. And you obviously don't have any problem throwing it because you – No. Yeah.

You're not hesitant. I've had that Tommy John surgery too oh you did you had that done yeah and I thought like I had a pinched nerve in the elbow and did like these two fingers I couldn't feel it was just like ants running down my arm the whole time I'd wake up in the middle of the night like after i fought machida i didn't have any uh it's like all the range of motion i had really in my elbow that's it just like a foot yeah and i you know i really couldn't even you know do anything with it and then uh i fought machida with essentially one arm and i was like you know maybe it's not the guy to fight with fucking one arm you know um but yeah dude after surgery dude i got they're taking bone chips out of their bone spurs and you know now i got everything everything back

wow how many different surgeries have you had just those two no i've had quite a few how many uh my hand my elbow i tore my achilles oh shit that's a big one yeah that was weird because i went my entire football career and never even pulled a hamstring really never never even pulled a hamstring and uh i think the worst injury i had was like a fucking corneal abrasion and uh i was playing flag football like maybe two years later for a charity thing. And I was running. And, dude, I just, you hear like a, you hear it pop. It didn't really hurt.

And I kind of fell. And I thought somebody had, like, kicked my foot. So I got up. And I was like, dude, that's fucked up. Whoever just, you know, tripped me. And I realized nobody's around me. So I was like, dang, I just tripped over my own feet. Fuck.

And I tried to take a step and my heel didn't come off the ground. So I was like, that's not right. So I started looking at everybody's, everybody's face.

I thought I had dislocated it at that point. But if my foot's facing any other direction than it should be, people are going to freak out. So I looked down,

I said, okay, cool, my toes are facing forward and i took another step and my same thing the heel didn't come off the ground i was like dude i just uh it's torn my achilles shit how long is that rehab that's a big one isn't it yeah that shit took a while but i think i tore it in like july and then i fought in December, no, that following February. So I think, like, I fought in, like, nine months.

When did it feel like you could start working out again? I'm kind of a – I kind of push the envelope when it comes to that thing. So, like, they were like, you have to wear a boot with, like, this pad in it. And then eventually, like, you take a little bit of the pad out and your foot lays flat in the boot. I never even wore the thing, just the boot. Because, dude, I was on crutches. It was summertime.

It was hot as fuck. Every time you just hear that shit click, click, click, I'm getting off of these as soon as possible. So I started walking around in the boot. I started running, jogging. I was like, I think it's good. When you get injured with something like that, was this before you were fighting? No, I was fighting.

This was before you were fighting? Maybe an amateur. It wasn't the UFC? No. So when you were doing that, did you have access to good rehabilitation facilities? Some of the best in the world are right there in Birmingham. Oh, okay. All the WWE guys, all the pro guys, like ball sports, baseball, football, come to Dr. Andrews in Birmingham.

Oh, that's because there's so much sports going on down there. Yeah. Have you ever used the UFC? He's the guy who invented Tommy John surgery. Oh, that's because there's so much sports going on down there. Yeah. Have you ever used the UFC? He's the guy who invented Tommy John surgery. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, no shit. So everybody, like a lot of baseball players,

come to Birmingham to do surgery, get surgery. And the guy who runs it now, Dr. Kane, he was actually the Alabama team doctor when I was there. So he's done all my stuff oh wow except for my eye i had to go somewhere else is that the corneal abrasion no i uh have a wrinkle in my retina which yeah that's the first time i heard that shit like straight lines uh would be like wavy uh my depth perception was getting fucked up and uh i was like dude i think uh i think i'm going blind am i right they're like i don't know i mean eventually you're gonna have cataracts but

you're not there yet yeah is this a genetic predisposition or is this from getting socked in the face yeah you know uh trauma i guess is what they said and um yeah so they had to go in there and he's like i uh essentially spot welded your your retina and you know cleaned it up or whatever and i was like that's my eye oh yeah that's when you uh appreciate a guy like michael bisping right yeah yeah that guy is a wild motherfucker dude when i heard that i was like dude this is my new favorite fighter dude you can't say shit fights with one eye and won the world title yeah and then defended the world title with one eye i was like what's your excuse look at that motherfucker i always say that i

would never suggest that anybody did that never of course not never but i'm glad he did it yeah just because it's a story just because he did it and he got away with it and he won the world title and no one's ever going to take that away from him. Yeah. But you kind of need both eyes and you need to see shit coming from over here.

Well that's why he explained the Anderson Silva flying knee knockout. You know when Anderson when he was like looking for his mouthpiece he dropped his mouthpiece and he was trying to point

to the referee to tell him that his mouthpiece was out and Anderson hit him with a flying knee because he can't see out of this eye so he's like pointing to this and Anderson cracks him and drops him. I got that mouthpiece dude I got that guy in front of me. And then he wins the next round I mean Michael Bisping that man is the epitome of mental toughness. There's no more mentally challenging thing

than you're competing in a sport that's already blinded one of your eyes, and you're competing at the highest level, and you win the world title. He probably wasn't hurting for money, so it probably wasn't like he had to. Right. Excuse me, had to do that.

He's a fucking savage. Yeah. He's a fucking savage. I mean, god damn. That's one of the most impressive things I've ever heard in my life. I didn't believe it at first. I was like, surely not. And then he's like, oh, yeah, look.

And then he pops out. I was like, oh, fuck. Takes that thing out and you see what's going on behind there. They still to this day can't fix it. He said he can tell the difference between the lights being on and off. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

Fuck. So they said you have a wrinkle, so they spot welded it, but why do they think you're going to get cataracts? I'm not, you know, I really didn't pay attention to that part, but he just said, yeah, eventually you're going to have cataracts. Would they be able to do something about the cataracts? I don't know. You know, I think, like like medical technology is advancing so fast

Like when I was younger like an ACL injury that your career is done, right? But now you got guys like Adrian Peterson I don't know if you know that is but do that motherfucker came back and set the Russian title in nine months after tearing his ACL yeah, it's crazy. So I'm not really worried about, like, outside of, like, brain stuff, like, physical stuff, I'm not really worried about because by the time I get there,

they're going to have an answer. I think so, too. I think you're at a good point right now where there's so much medical technology that's coming down the pipe, too. They just keep finding new and better ways to fix things, new and better ways to surgically repair things it's an interesting time the only thing they can't right like they're still fucked when it comes to knees like when it comes to like meniscus and

cartilage yeah meniscus and cart like that's here's another thing kamaro usman his knees are fucked yeah when he was on the podcast he told me he can't walk on sidewalks sometimes he has to walk on the grass because it hurts too much to walk on the sidewalk yeah imagine if that motherfucker was 100 imagine oh he can't run he doesn't do any cardio like that he does all his cardio he does like high intensity stuff and he does wrestle because you have to but he's like i've he said he's accepted the fact that when this is all Done, he's gonna have to get his knees replaced That is wild yeah, and if you look at it like his legs are not big

It does not have big legs his upper body's fucking yeah, right, but his legs You know not not impressive you think that has something to do with it I think because his legs are fucked, because his knees are fucked. He can only do so much with his legs. What does the muscle have to do with the cartilage, you think? Well, I think he can't use his legs the same way you would use them, you know, if his knees were fine. You know what I mean? Like if his knees were fine and he's doing squats and deep lunges and sprints, uphills and shit like that,

I don't think he can do that. I think he has to get all of his cardio and different things. Maybe it's a blessing. Maybe if he had big legs, he'd have to fight it. 85? Yeah. Maybe. That's a good point.

Yeah. But, I mean, who knows? I mean, I don't know how much he cuts weight, but I imagine he cuts quite a bit because he seems very large. He's got to be over 200 pounds. He's got to be over 200 pounds. But that brings you to guys like Sean Strickland, who fought at 170 and was, like, really struggling.

Now at 85, he's just lighting it up. You know, he probably wasn't, like, cutting weight. He was probably doing that six hours in the sauna thing and not dieting. Maybe. So I think, like, when you do that, your brain gets dehydrated as well. So there's, like,'s like a little like membrane or fluid barrier between your skull and your brain to keep you you know cushion your brain i think when you wear that down your brain is crashing into your skull that's how guys you know get

dazed and wobbled and you know kind of lose their durability yeah i don't know about the technical aspects of that but i do know for a fact that when guys dehydrate themselves heavily they lose their durability. Yeah, I don't know about the technical aspects of that, but I do know for a fact that when guys dehydrate themselves heavily, they lose their ability to take a shot for some reason. It's just, I mean, it just makes sense. Like, you're weakened. Yeah, sure. Especially if you do it incorrectly and you don't rehydrate correctly. And then that was a big complaint that a lot of guys had, like, when they took away the

IVs. You know, a lot of guys were like, hey, you know, we're going to see a lot more guys get hurt because they just can't rehydrate the IVs. A lot of guys were like, hey, we're going to see a lot more guys get hurt because they just can't rehydrate the same way. Yeah. Somebody was telling me that they were using the IVs to flush EPO and stuff. Yep. So I was like, well, you guys just ruined it for everybody else.

Well, they can mask steroid use. They can mask some steroid use, apparently. That's what Novitski was saying. They can mask some steroid use, apparently. That's what Nowitzki was saying. They can mask some steroid use with IVs. I'm not exactly sure how that works, but I think it's just some stuff shows up in your urine, and if you could just get a bunch of fluids into your system, like so much so that it flushes it all out, that you can't find the trace of what it is. Dude, the early days, everybody was on something.

You know, when I first started working for the UFC, it was 97. I started working for the UFC at UFC 12, and everybody was on something. Dude, as soon as I get out of that testing pool, man, I'm going to the doctor. Give me the cocktail, dude. I want to be 22 again.

I'm going to be fucking Hercules with half the work. Do you do anything to try to elevate your testosterone now? Are you doing, is there any like, you're 35, right? I started taking that,

it's like a Nigerian root, what is it? Tonga Ali? That's it. Yeah. Dude, I'm out here shooting ropes now. Shooting ropes.

I'm taking like Makaru and Yo M. Bean. I was like, dude, this is bullshit. This is not doing anything. But that stuff. Yeah? You know. Did you get your testosterone checked before and after? I got checked before.

I haven't got the results back. I just started this like two weeks ago. That big a difference. That quick, huh? So, you know. Let's fuck. Like Rottweiler. So I'm just, you know, waiting.

And then, you know, maybe after like a month or two, I'll go back and get my testosterone checked again and see what it is. Interesting. And that stuff's legal? Yeah. I think you can take roots and tree barks and stuff like that. How weird. Do you know that that's how they make testosterone?

They make it off of a Mexican wild yam. Really? Yeah, these are yam. What yam is this? I don't know. Find out. I'm going to go buy some. I don't think you could eat it and get testosterone.

I don't understand how they do it. We're about to find out. Put that shit in the oven. There's something. I don't understand how they do it. I really don't. I've never even looked into it. But I do know that they do this carbon isotope testing.

They can find out whether or not the testosterone that's in your body has come from uh exogenous sources like wild yams but one of the things novitsky was saying was that they don't because these guys like usada guys they always have to think like multiple steps ahead because people are like when barry bonds and you and Victor Conte had that clear shit. The criminal was always a step ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's thinking what Nowitzki said is like theoretically at least they should be able to extract testosterone from animals.

And if they extracted testosterone from animals and injected it into people, you might not be able to detect whether or not that came from an animal or whether or not it came from an animal or whether or not it came from the human being themselves so it might look like natural levels of testosterone so you can get testosterone from the fucking silverback yeah take it yeah the fucking five times I was yesterday with a chimp because they have the bigger nuts yeah yeah you know why it's interesting

because female chimps are promiscuous so when female chimps are promiscuous the because they have the bigger nuts. Yeah? Yeah, but you know why? It's interesting. Because female chimps are promiscuous. So when female chimps are promiscuous, the male chimps grow bigger nuts and bigger dicks. Yeah. That's why male humans have big dicks, because female humans are like, if you look at gorillas,

gorillas have tiny dicks. Like the smallest in the... Yeah. Per size. Because the female gorillas are chilled. They're not interested in fucking around. But female chimps, they fuck around like crazy. Yeah. And so male chimps have giant nuts.

I've seen a little, you know, animal planet or whatever. Fucking, you know, there's like an alpha monkey or whatever. And he's the only one who's supposed to fuck. Exactly. But as soon as he goes off in the trees Start running a train on life. Yeah, exactly Okay, steroid chemists are often referred to the 1930s as a decade of sex hormones when molecular structures of certain sex hormones were determined And first introduced to medical practice as drugs Russeller achieved the first practical synthesis of

the pregnancy hormone progesterone by what now is known as the marker degradation produced from starting material in a species of Mexican yam. Marker's progesterone eventually became the preferred precursor in the industrial preparation of the anti-inflammatory drug cortisone. Important research on sex hormones continues in Mexico, leading to the synthesis of the first useful oral contraceptive in 1951. Ah, interesting. So I can take a pill and kill my sperm? I guess.

But this does have something to do with testosterone, doesn't it? Yeah, there's a chemical compound in it called this this dios dios skin and I don't know I owe skin Dio's Jen and I believe they synthesize that into making wild it's all from this one fucking Yeah, I'm in that crazy like how they even find that if you think about all the the plants that they don't know about that are in the Amazon, like pretty wild. So wild yams also often promoted as a natural alternative to estrogen therapy.

So we see used for estrogen replacement therapy, vaginal dryness. Hey, in older women, PMS, menstrual cramps, weak bones, osteoporosis, increasing energy and sexual drive in men and women. Fucking yams, baby. Shit. Wild yams. Sweet potatoes for breakfast. Yeah, there you go. It's crazy.

It's crazy how people know ayahuasca. How did they know? How did they know? Like watch an animal eat the tree bark and start tripping. What's going on? Or watch something eat mushrooms. watch an animal eat like the tree bark and start tripping but what's going on or watch you know something eat mushrooms but there's two prevailing theories right the prevailing theory number one that's told by the shaman is that the plants told them what to add up like in that when they say the

plants they're not sure if they're saying uh mushrooms because you know psilocybin mushroom use is also like there's apparently not a great history of psilocybin use in the Amazon. But when Terrence McKenna went down there with his brother, they found psilocybin mushrooms everywhere. And they took so much of them that his brother was fucked for like two weeks. It was so – and these guys are like legitimate scientists and his brother took so much that he he basically evaporated for like two weeks and it took two weeks for him to come back to the point where he could rebalance well i think he's just tripped so hard you know like a crazy dose is like five grams of mushrooms that's a crazy dose how much have you took it one time

i think i've gotten pretty close to that i've taken seven at once what was that like man it wasn't uh what i expected really i thought it was gonna be like the toad i had never like heard or anything about the toad everybody's like oh you fucking take a heroic dose yeah that's what they were telling me it was called like all right fucking dude i'll do did you do it outside were you like hanging out dude i kind of uh no i you know got away from the family checked myself into a hotel and uh turned off the lights closed the curtain and down the hatch that's the right way but dude i went to the raw fucking hotel i just hear motherfuckers arguing and you know fucking you know arguing with their fucking girl and

i was like dude this fucking sucks dude i'm just like giggling and laughing just like you know a normal mushroom trip and i was like all right dude so by midnight i was back at the house fucking watching cartoons and shit the problem also is that like some psilocybin mushrooms are way stronger than other ones and you could get a you know you're buying them from a guy yeah yeah who knows if he's doing it right and you know cultivating them right I bought some from a guy he's like yeah these are great they're hydroponic you know the guy plays symphony for him he sings to him I was like I don't really give a fuck about that just tell me my mushrooms dude well the way I always describe DMT is it's mushrooms times a

million plus aliens. Yeah. That's. That's like, you know, I'm sure you know, but like the two different kinds. And dimethyltryptamine, yeah. So that's like the aliens for me. It's like floating around in geometric shapes and bright colors and shit. Is that the one you did or did you do five methoxy?

I did the MEO. I've done that too. The five MEO is pretty wild because that one you cease to did you do five methoxy i did the meo i've done that too the five meo is pretty wild because that that one you cease to exist yeah the thing about nn dimethyltryptamine is when you're taking it you're still there yeah you're still you like it's still eric but it's eric in another universe the the i've done it the i've done that twice and i think the second time i think it was the NN. Because, like, I was still, like, rolling around on the ground and slobbering and stuff.

But I was still, like, present. Did you see visuals, though? In my body. Yeah. So I was, like, I hit it, laid back, and there was a ceiling fan. And, dude, I just watched the ceiling fan, like, woo, woo, woo. And then it stopped. And then it started doing all the... All the crazy geometric patterns.

Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck, here we go, dude. But I never left my body. Like, my soul or, you know, whatever it is. The first time I did it, everything just went white. I was panicking. I was like, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, oh, fuck. And now I was like, well, you're dead, buddy. Fuck it. You fucked up? Yeah, just, you know, just was like well you're dead buddy like you give it up

yeah just you know just relax and uh you know see where you go from here whenever that's what it feels like when you actually do go i wonder just like maybe i'm sure like uh like a matt brown or somebody would be somebody to ask right the guy who died what happened when he died those guys are scary. There's something about those guys that have, like, overdosed and died. They come back, like Court McGee, Matt Brown. Not out of the theory. Like, all those guys who were, like, junkies and beat addiction,

they have unlimited cardio. They don't ever get tired. Well, Court. Matt Brown's a little older now, so, you know, of course. But Court McGee doesn't get tired. Jared Gordon doesn't really get tired. matt brown's a little older now so you know of course but court mcgee doesn't get tired uh jared gordon doesn't really get tired you know so you ever seen court's cardio routine though yeah it's fucking insane he does everything with like a 45 pound vest he runs miles with a 45 pound vest on like he does a lot of wild cardio shit i met him when i was training at factory x one time and he started telling me all these

stories about him being like a dick and I was like you yeah I would think that you were like fucking Amish or you know right you know fucking no technology fucking out in the woods you know well he went the other way you know like he went from being a guy who's a drug addict ruin his life to being like super disciplined. Yeah, you know He did he's a big advocate too. Mm-hmm. Yeah That's cool. Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting guys that like develop a base of cardio and then push it and keep pushing it Keep pushing it like you can take your cardio to some crazy fucking places and some dudes their cardio is like one of their primary weapons it's like they just can put a pace on people like max holly is a good example that he puts a pace on people and they have a really but

so is volkanovski so that fight this weekend whoa yeah i know that one like those first two fights were so fucking close they They were so close. I'm going. I can't wait. Whenever I leave out of here, I'm going to go. Yeah, I'm very excited. Out to Vegas. Very, very excited for that.

I don't know what the fuck's going to happen in that fight. So there's those two fights. There's Kananier versus Izzy. There's Max Holloway versus Volkanovski. Let me see the whole card. Let me see the whole card. And then there's Sean Strickland versus Pereira. That's the, that's, first of all,

how crazy is Sean Strickland to take that fight? Because Pereira's not even ranked. And Sean Strickland's number four. Yeah, yeah. That's a big risk. That's a big fight right there. Oh, that's right. Pedro Munoz versus Sean O'Malley.

So Young Punisher versus Sugar Sean. That's an interesting fight, too. That's a very interesting fight. So is that the main card on pay-per-view? Yeah, and they just announced that the Misha Tate fight has been moved to the next. What happened? I just looked. I didn't see any announcement on what happened,

but they just moved it to the next pay-per-view or the Long Island card at the end of the month. I think Sean O'Malley is going to be hard to beat. Yeah. Oh, Brad Rydell versus Jalen Turner. That's an interesting fight, too, because Jalen at lightweight is so big. He's so long. And Robbie Lawler versus Brian Barbarina. That's a great fight.

Ian Gary versus Gabriel Green. Ian Gary's a bad motherfucker. That's an great fight. Ian Gary versus Gabriel Green. Ian Gary's a bad motherfucker. That's an interesting guy. So they're doing Jim Miller versus Donald Cerrone because the Joe Lozon fight fell out again. Interesting. Uriah Hall and Andre Muniz. Oh, shit. Interesting that they keep having Muniz almost undercover.

They don't have him in high-profile bouts. I think that's like, what? I mean, he's fighting Uriah Hall. That's pretty. Yeah, but it's the early prelims. That's the fight pass prelims. I think these are on ABC. Yeah, these are on.

Oh, interesting. And so, oh, that's right. So they're putting that on ABC. They're going to have a whole card on ABC soon. And then early, so let me see the early prelims again. Oh, so that's the early. Yeah. So Jessica, I, Macy Barber, that's a good fight.

Brad DeVarez, Duplassius, that's a good fight. Okay, interesting. Wait a minute. So Jessica Rose Clark. That... Click on that? Isn't that... Who the fuck did she just fight? Let me see who she fought.

Okay. Yeah. So it's a good card, like, top to bottom. That's a good card top to bottom. Yeah, that's a phenomenal card. Yeah. Yeah. Damn.

Yeah, there's no duds on that card. That whole card is pretty fucking banging. That Brad Rydell, Jalen Turner, boy, I didn't even know that fight was happening. That is a fucking banging that brad rydell jalen turner boy i didn't even know that fight was happening that is a fucking fantastic fight because jalen is about as 6 3 155 what the fuck man the way he's built too yeah and knockout power too like real long super good boxing too yeah real clean and um um michael bisping when he was preparing for luke rockhold was sparring with him because he was like literally the size of luke rockhold

which is crazy jesus yeah at 155. this looks like do you think there should be more weight classes uh yeah yeah yeah but this is the thing like if, if you have, like, an 85 and a 95, man, it's just going to be the 205ers cutting the 95. You know? Right, but maybe the people that can barely get to 205 won't do that. Because there's a lot. Like, Jon Jones is not fighting at 95. No. He's not losing another 10 pounds.

Like, he's so big for 205. Like, the really big guys at 205 they're not going to do that but i think like boxing for example has so many weight classes because i don't it's the wrestlers that kind of like inspired the weight cutting thing like these jurassic weight cuts yeah so i like i think that's why there's fewer weight classes in MMA because boxers, a motherfucker's not cutting 30, 40 pounds. No one's doing that. Like a weight class every 7 pounds or 5 pounds or whatever it is.

I mean, look at that. That's one of the crazy things about Canelo is that Canelo's willing to go all the way up to light heavyweight. When he fought Floyd, I think they fought at 152. And here he is fighting Bivol at 75 which is crazy yeah you know um like for me i always feel more comfortable fighting at 85 because i know i put in like more work and preparation like even in like when you have to watch what you're eating when you eat it you know it's like uh it takes a lot of discipline at At 205, if I leave the gym, I feel like I can go grab a burger. So I can't do that when I fight at 85.

So when I fight at 85, I know that I've crossed all the I's or crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's and did everything. If I had 205, I'm like, well, let's see how it goes, guys. Dominic Cruz says the same thing. He says there's something about the discipline required to make bantamweight that makes him a better fighter. It's true. Well, for me anyway.

So you feel that even, so it's not just that at 85 you're really big for the weight class, but it's also just the fact that you mentally, you know that you've put in that work to get that weight. Yeah, I know my cardio is going to be on point. I know, like, I've put in, I've done everything that I can, including, like, the diet. And, you know, it's just something about knowing that you've done everything, everything, everything, everything, that you didn't leave anything out. Like, I can still do and train and do all the same things, but I just don't feel as, like, maybe it's just a mental thing.

I don't feel as, like, prepared fighting at 205 because I know I've had those cheeseburgers. Right. I know I've had that, you know, ribeye or whatever. Yeah. If you, like, if there was no weight cutting as far as dehydration, what do you think is, like, the lowest comfortable weight that you could get down to? Where you'd be shredded but be able to fight. Like 200? 200. Like like i'm a fat kid

you know so if i just like ate well i wouldn't be 230 right you know but well i want to enjoy my life but if you're lean and healthy it would be 200 yeah i would probably have to work a little bit to get to 200 but i wouldn't it wouldn't be that hard do you think it's possible to ever get to a point where there is no weight cutting like Do you think it's possible to ever get to a point where there is no weight cutting? Do you think that that would ever happen? I don't know. One does it, right?

Nobody cuts weight? They do something. I've heard there's ways around what one does, too. I heard there's a little bit of shenanigans going on. There's always going to be a way. Criminals are always a step ahead. Right. Have you ever seen Catch Me If You Can?

Leonardo DiCaprio? Oh, yeah a long time ago yeah right so like all like the fraudulent checks and stuff they learned from him like he you know he eventually gets caught yeah and he started working for the fbi to catch like this y'all are up dude this is how simple this is yeah oh well that's what Victor Conte did. Victor Conte, after he got busted and went away, he came back and he was like, let me show you how I did it. And then he became the guy that's calling out everybody else

for having bad drug testing, which is kind of ironic. Yeah. You know? You're the pot or the tea kettle, buddy. I'm fascinated by One. One FC is fascinating to me because they do muay thai

fights they have uh grappling matches and when it comes to just straight mma they allow a lot of shit like knees on the ground knees to the head on the ground i think that should be allowed because if i'm in a dominant position why do i lose offense why do i lose weapons because you can't get off the ground or you're in a turtle position or you get up carelessly. Why am I penalized for that? It changes the way people fight, right? Because if you're in a turtle and you know that a guy can just drop knees in your head,

you're not going to lay there. You're going to move. You're going to defend yourself. You're going to get out of there. I've seen some horrific knockouts. Go to 1FC's Instagram page. They have the best. get knocked the fuck out i've seen some horrific knock go to one fc's um uh instagram page they have the best oh my god dude i fucking scroll through that thing forever some of their chaos are ruthless like and this there's this one dude who was landing these knees on the ground to the

head in side control and you realize that from side control the whole the game scroll down a little bit i'll show you where it is it shows the whole game is completely different you see a guy on the ground in side control yeah you better get your ass up let's see if you can find it there yeah i've won a fight and actually got a bonus off a soccer kick in somebody and got disqualified for needing somebody uh And got disqualified for kneeing somebody on the side of the head. This is interesting. I don't see it. And they changed the rules, too.

It used to be one hand was down, they were still up. And then they changed it. If anything other than their feet is on the ground, they're down. Where were you allowed to soccer kick somebody? I fought Tim Williams in Lincoln,braska it was a ufc fight really you soccer kicked him to the body or to the head to the head he like uh oh that's it right there see that dude um yeah they're right there watch this this is crazy boom you gotta play that with sound yeah give me some sound yeah you. Can you hear that? All right, dude. Don't get comfortable down there, dude.

That's a perfect example because in that position in the UFC, that's like not as dangerous a position. You can kind of hold on. But if a guy can do that, I mean, that's martial arts. If you can drop an elbow on someone's head, why can't you do that? I feel like you should be able to do that, especially in this position particularly because you're not even trapped against the cage right like that that guy's there in that spot like you got a fucking move you

can't lay there like that that's nasty when I fought Tim Williams he like threw a head kick and I blocked it and he fell there's like 20 seconds left in the fight so he was like trying to get up quick. The technical get-up, I just stepped in and put him down. Oh, I remember that fight. I have his teeth marks still in my shin. Oh, shit. And, dude, he had, like, a boiling bite mouthpiece,

like, not even, like, one that. Oh, really? I was like, dude, I don't know if that's, if you want to use that ever again. Yeah, fuck that. You need to get a fitted one. What kind of cup do you use? Do you use, like, dude, I don't know if you want to use that ever again. Yeah, fuck that. You need to get a fitted one. What kind of cup do you use? Do you use like a –

Diamond cup. Yeah, those are the diamond MMA cups, the shit. Yeah. Compression sorts. And, dude, I see like every single nut shot. Oh, there it is right there. Boom. Perfect timing.

Every single nut shot, everybody like drops on the ground. I was like, dude. Yeah, if you have one of those diamond cups, you don't feel shit. Look at that. Perfect timing. I think I get hit in the nuts almost every fight. As he's getting up, dude. Yeah, if you have one of those diamond cups, you don't feel shit. Look at that. Perfect timing. I think I get hit in the nuts almost every fight. As he's getting up, boom. I mean, you couldn't have timed that better.

Right when the hand lifts up is when you land the shot. But under those rules, even if his hand is down, he was still considered up at the time. Right. One down. Two down. Two down is a down fighter. It's like weird. Yeah.

But that's why I like what one FC is doing better, you know? I was talking to Tim Kennedy about this the other day because he won fights where you're allowed to knee on the ground because, you know, he's a strong guy. You get a guy in a position where you get like a front headlock and you can just drop elbows on him or drop knees on him rather. And in the UFC you can't. It's kind of weird because it's a good effective weapon it's a good position for the guy

on top so why do I get penalized right the soccer kick on the ground is just that's so ruthless they just doesn't look appealing for on TV like you know you want soccer moms and kids to watch so maybe a dude getting drilled in his shit at this point I think we have enough people watching I don't think we have to worry I don't think we need to try to lure in them soccer moms by eliminating soccer kicks yeah that Diamond Cup is awesome I think yeah I have been kicked in the nuts in every single fight and it doesn't bother me one time roundtree did it at the end of the fight and I was just so ready for the fight and it hurt too it's probably the only time that it hurt but i was so ready for that fucking fight

to be over with i was like i'm just gonna just gonna ride it out dude ride it out that dude kicked so fucking hard imagine getting kicked in the dick i was like and you caught him right when he came out of thailand too yeah he had that thai style like real light on that front leg hey man what are you doing man that was so impressive damn that dude is he's one of my favorite guys to watch because when he gets rolling and his technique is on man he's terrifying i think it's up here for him yep like some fights he comes out uh unfortunately like he did against me there's all the confidence in the world against that uh modescus or the guy who stomped his knee out yeah but then other fights you know i think he kind of gets into himself a little bit and you know well he's gone on some times where he's

thinking about retiring you know and you know as well as anybody that when you're one foot in one foot out it's not really the best. You see guys that are like that, and you see the decline in their performances. They just don't see the same anymore. You don't train as hard. No. They don't diet right. Did you see the Anthony Pettis fight, the Stevie Ray fight?

Yeah. Very interesting. We actually went. It was in Atlanta. Oh, was it? Yeah. That fight was interesting. He sent it to me.

Stevie Ray sent it to me, and I watched it, and I was like, what are you doing here? That's like a body lock, and then he's got the arm captured, and he's using the forearm on the neck. I think he hurt his ribs. Well, it's a neck crank, man. It's a neck crank. Watch how he does it. See, look. Right arm goes to the side of the neck.

Now watch. When he gets the grip, watch, he gets the grip here, and he's using the leverage of his legs and then cranking against the neck. Watch this. Right here. Right here. It's a neck crank, man. Oh, it does look like he hurt his ribs, too.

He's holding on to his ribs. All he's saying is he hurt his ribs up he's holding on to his ribs saying is uh i think he fucked everything up though i think he fucked it but he shows the setup he he sent me this setup too like this is something that he does uh so he this wasn't like on the fly no no no let me squeeze and see what happens oh he's got the body lock but watch when he gets the right forearm on the side of the neck and then he clamps his his arms together and It's basically look it's a spinal lock. Yeah, cuz it's crazy pressure. Look at that. Look at that on the neck man It's probably also on the left side of his ribs because that's where the body lock is clamped down to but he also has a

Twister finish in MMA So he he's like very familiar with that those leverage positions where you're really cranking on the neck bending your shit where it don't bend twisters or you ever been caught one hell yeah horrible that's a terrible position to be in it'll fuck your neck up dude I've you know fucked a lot of discs up in my neck when I first started no one told me don't be an asshole and not tap oh so I'd be like getting choked out and you know here my neck hurts and uh man for the longest time

I thought my uh trap or my neck was just tight on that side and I couldn't turn it but then I went to uh that cellular performance place in uh Mexico and got stem cells in my thing. And, dude, it's made, you know. Did you go to the place in Tijuana? Yeah. Ed Clay's place? Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Ed Clay.

Yeah. I love that dude. Yeah, I love that he's doing that, but it's kind of crazy that you have to go to Tijuana because you can't do it in America. I think it's the way they, not incubate, but like cultivate the stem cells that they don't let you do it here, but they let you do it there. So it had a big effect on you? Man, night and day.

Really? Yeah, I couldn't wrestle because you have to do all that, you know, head position. You can use your head when you wrestle. I just couldn't turn my neck all the way. So did they go actually into your discs? Yeah. So they like, I was like, man, are you you guys gonna put me to sleep you're like no because there's a nerve in there and if we hit it you have to let us know I

was like dude what am I gonna do don't be fucking paralyzed we talk about and then uh yeah so they like they don't put you to sleep they just kind of like dull it you can definitely feel the needle go in some noaine? I don't know. Something like that. It's not a topical. I got an IV. And the dude was like they were pumping up

a bike tire. It was just like it felt my neck just kind of like I think I might have grown a little bit. Well that's what is exciting about

stem cells with discs is that they can regrow that disc tissue which is the only time I've ever heard of anyone being able to do that. Because generally speaking, when you get degenerative discs, which is I have that, I have a bunch of discs that are smaller.

They get smooshed down from years of grappling. I had a bulging disc in my neck once at one point that was pretty bad. It was like making my hands numb and shit like that. Yeah, pushing on nerves and shit. But now they're able to shoot it into the discs and you can regenerate the tissue so it actually gives you that cushion in between your discs like re-inflated it yeah i was like and they were like i mean you because i was staying at a hotel and they're like you can go home but i wouldn't recommend that you do because that's

just gonna hurt uh when that you know, whatever the Medication wears off and I was like this shit doesn't hurt, you know, maybe I just I'll take your word dude There was I was sitting in my room as I call us when it starts to hurt that they knew what was up And so I was like, I was a dude that's just started to wear off and dude I was like on my hands and knees like there was just no I was like, dude, that's just starting to wear off. And, dude, I was, like, on my hands and knees.

Like, there was just no position that I could, like, put my neck where the shit didn't hurt. And I was like, man, y'all come on with it, man. Give me something to put me down. And the next day, though, it was, like, zero pain, you know, nothing. So how long did it take before you could start training again? They told me six weeks because when you get the stem cells, if you keep, like, doing stuff that, like, inflames you, the stem cells are going to attack that instead of, like, the current issue.

Oh. So they're like, just chill for six weeks, let the stem cells do their thing, and then, you know, you go back to training, like, progressively. Is it hard for you to do that, though, to, like, just chill? I can't, like, I haven't stopped moving since I've sat here. You're not a chill dude. I am chill, I just like, I can't ever like sit still. And so six weeks later you started to go and you could immediately feel that it was. Yeah.

Like that same thing was happening. Like my fingers were going numb. Like I had to always like pop and crack my neck, which is probably like the last thing that you should do in that situation. But man, zero neck pain. pop and crack my neck, which is probably like the last thing that you should do in that situation. But man, zero neck pain. I can turn my neck all the way and my fingers don't tingle. That's amazing.

Yeah. It's exciting. I just wish we could fucking do it right here. Like I don't know what the holdup is. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I think that the medical community is maybe looking to get you better

but keep you coming back kind of thing. I don't know if that's what it is. Maybe the issue is how long it takes to get FDA approval. I mean, really all it would take is someone of high profile, like some president or something like that, that went and got it done and was singing the virtues of it and said, hey, let's fucking fast track this shit. You know, Kobe Bryant tore his Achilles, got that, came back. So like the extent of how much it works on like other stuff, I don't know, but clearly the shit works. Clearly shit works. Yeah, it works. I've done a lot of things with

stem cells. I had a full length rotator cuff tear that disappeared six months later i got an mri is no rotator cuff care because he was like how's your shoulder feel i'm like feels pretty fucking good yeah he goes okay we're gonna do another mri and you go and the doctor came into the room he's like i've never seen anything like this in my fucking life is this the right arm he goes you don't have a tear anymore he goes it's gone and And I go, really? He goes, yeah. He goes, I would have told you just a few years ago that you needed surgery.

Like, you're going to fuck your shoulder up. You're going to develop arthritis. He goes, now you don't even have a tear. It's gone. Really? I have zero problems with this shoulder now. But at one point in time, it was like it was always so, it would hurt all the time. It was always something wrong with it.

Always aching and shit. Yeah. Now, nothing. Yeah. I wouldn't do anything with it. I don't know if it'll like, they had to cut my meniscus out. so it would hurt all the time was always something always aching and shit yeah now nothing yeah i didn't do anything with it i don't know if they're like i uh they had to cut my meniscus out part of it anyways and uh so i did i mean i got it the the stem cells in there really just like reduce like the information and speed the up i don't think that i like regrow my uh meniscus or whatever but i think as far as like discs and like stuff

like that yeah dude it's works wonders one thing they are doing with meniscus is they're doing meniscus transplants so they're taking like a cadaver's meniscus and they're replacing yours with the cadavers and apparently as long as you get that like you're at your age you can still do that but i think when you get older like for for older folks, I don't think it works. I think there's a certain amount of blood flow that has to exist in that area. That's another thing they were saying down there is like down here when we get the stem cells, we can like stress them out. Like if we're going to put them in a low oxygen environment in your body or like less blood flow or whatever, we can like stress it out and the ones that aren't going to live already die, and we can replace them.

So you're getting, like, the exact number or as close to as you can with the injections. Because sometimes I go, oh, this is 100 million, but, you know. Right, right, right. 50 million of them died already. Right. You know? Yeah. Well, they're doing stuff in, I know they're doing stuff like that in Colombia.

You know, there's that bio-accelerator place in Columbia. And then there's in Panama, Dr. Neil Reardon. I had him on my show before. And he's written these papers on it. And he's one of the leading experts. And he's actually in Dallas. But he runs this clinic in Panama because you can't do it here. Like everything that he wants to do here.

He can do some stuff here, but he can't do anything here like Like everything that he wants to do here, he can do some stuff here, but he can't do anything here like he wants to do. Why do you think? I don't think it's like, I don't know. I don't think the FDA, I mean, they approved the vaccine in like, you know, six months, so why can't it get

stem cells? Well, yeah. Like I said, it's almost like someone very important, like a president type dude needs to fast track it it's clearly it's been going on for a long time like people have been using stem cells now to heal injuries for decades it's not a new thing and the the efficacy is not challenged like that shit works i've done it i know it works me too you know it works too like nothing else that's what's crazy. And I think we're probably just at the tip of the iceberg,

I think like 30 years from now. That's going to be old school. They'll have developed something really wild. Yeah, fuck them. So you can just have a whole new one. Well, I think what they're going to be able to do is regenerate all kinds of tissue and then reverse aging. Reversing aging is just around the corner.

This is going to be wild you gotta die dude old ladies yeah all of a sudden want some dick yeah but dude you got to have a lifespan dude well you're still gonna have a lifespan you know you're still vulnerable still vulnerable to sickness and still vulnerable to injury and but imagine if you could live a full like healthy active life until you die. Instead of being, you know, you see 90-year-old people that are just all fucked up. And, like, what kind of life is that? I told my people, like, the first time I shit myself uncontrollably, just, you know, take me out.

I'll be okay with that. I promise you I will. Just fuck it. Whatever. I think for a lot of people, they don't ever want to let go. They want to just keep going as long as possible. And then there's also the hope that they're going to be able to fix things. Like this reversing aging thing.

They're able to do that now in certain animals. They could do it in mice. They could prolong their lifespan by 50, 100%. They should just do DMT so they die once already. It's like, not that bad. You just gotta accept it. Yeah, but what if

that's not what happens when you die? You know, DMT might just be some very unusual burst of these chemicals that you can get and introduce into your body,

but that's not really what happens when you die. When you die, it's just... Lights go off. Lights go off. That could be possible too yeah i don't know we all find out one day do you have any regrets that you didn't start fighting

like when you were young i wish i well it's funny because like i started playing football before all that concussion came out but all you heard about was like boxers with you know head injuries or head trauma cte and shit before it was called cte um so i always wanted i always favored individual sports over team sports i fucking hated team sports i only started playing football because my older brother played football and then i realized that girls like football players and then i realized oh i'm kind of good at football so fuck all right but i asked my mom, I was like, can I box? And she was like, no, because you're going to fucking get brain damage and you're going to ruin your face.

And I paid money for your braces and your teeth. Now you're going to fuck your face up. And I was like, all right. But then, meanwhile, she let me go run full speed into another human being who's also running full speed, you know, with, like, a piece of plastic on my head. Like, when I first started playing, I was, like, seven years old, and then this, like, one-size-fits-all, my shoulder pads fucking came out to here,

and my helmet was fucking wobbling around. So, like, you know, definitely wasn't like the 1950s, but it ain't like it is now. Right. You know, so the only times I've ever been, like, knocked unconscious is playing football, which is a pretty scary fucking experience because you lose time. The first time I did it, we were doing a drill. I was, like, 12 years old. Two guys, 10 yards apart.

There's a cone off to the side in the middle. And you literally run full speed and smash each other. That's the cone uh off to the side in the middle and you literally run full speed and smash each other that's the drill that's the drill it's like an angle tackle me drill one guy is on offense the running back everybody else is on defense and so they say go you got sprint five yards boom at an angle and you know car collision but did i hit this kid and i fucking got up i was woozy got to the back of line and just boom you know it's kind of like little giants you wake up everybody's around you fucking it's like oh it's okay dude he does that to everybody i was like fuck y'all let me go with him dude y'all fucking y'all don't like me man and then uh when i was in college um i ran i was

running down on a kickoff are you familiar with football yeah so i ran was running down on a kickoff. Are you familiar with football? Yeah. So I was running down on a kickoff, and at the time, you can't even do this anymore, but they'd put, like, the offense and defensive linemen in a wedge, and the dude with the ball would just, they were just like fucking clear house.

So I was just like, fuck it, and just closed my eyes and dove in there. Oh. And it was like on the far sideline. My next cognitive memory is, like, I'm walking around on our sideline. I'm like, dude, how the fuck did I get here? I was just over there. Now I'm here. Wow.

And then like five minutes later, all right, kickoff team, go again. I was like, dude, I don't know if I should. But, you know, at the time, it's like, dude, you can't be a pussy, dude. Just fucking go. And now they're like oh dude now they stop people from doing shit like that yeah

they're like if you get KO'd now in a football game do they just stop and get you out if they even suspect you of having a concussion they take your helmet

and you're done back and there's you know when I played like shit like that was encouraged oh he doesn't want to play anymore?

Pfft, bitch. Really? Pussy. He's like, actually, you know, that guy's actually, you know, a little bit smarter than the rest of us. Isn't it crazy that it's so recent that they've figured all this out? Yeah. And, well, I think the big turning point,

there was a guy named Junior Seau, who was a linebacker for the Chargers committed suicide and they you know they don't know if you have CTE till after you die and they study your brain you know like his brain's not right you know and so then that after that I think is when they started you know changing the rules and stuff because you know because football has its play today. It doesn't really look like how it was. Like the big hits was encouraged. Blind sides were encouraged.

It's like, oh, fuck, dude, you saw what I just did to that guy. Fucking laugh about it. Now you get kicked out of the game, and you have to sit out the following game as well. Really? So they're trying to figure out a way to make the craziest, most non-safe sport ever safe i was like that you know so like a lot of people are like ignorant back then but now you

know like the risks that you're taking so yeah sign the waiver and go sign the waiver and also you know it's a opportunity for greatness yeah that's the thing. It's like you will take that risk, but if you become a superstar, the rewards are pretty substantial. I mean, if you're a superstar in the NFL and you can bang out five, six years, you make a substantial amount of money. Like if I knew then what I knew now, would I still play football? Absolutely. There's nothing you could have done to stop me from from playing outside of an injury like yeah

dude I fucking I loved football I like everything that came with football I love the lifestyle of football and you know at the time I thought I was gonna make a lot of money playing football so you know yeah I'll take the risk and you know same thing with fighting like oh you're worried about your brain i mean we'll cross that bridge when we get there you seem fine now yeah well you know you know i think mushrooms help nad helps yeah uh i guess that's like preventative stuff so you know do you like keep an eye on it though like do you like check in on yourself like how we doing we all right here yeah like uh especially like when i get tired i feel like i'm like

thinking slow i got to like think about what i'm thinking about but everybody's like that i'm a fucking but i hope it's just being tired uh as long as i mean i'm gonna go take a nap or something fucking there's a dude that i knew uh that was a fighter that retired um and uh he he definitely sparred too hard and he definitely had some rough fights he got KO'd a couple of times and when i was around him he seemed okay until he had a drink like a drink yeah it was crazy like one drink two drinks in it was like he was obliterated like he had drank a whole case of beer it was crazy I hope I don't get like that now right now you seem to learn sign language no son no signs at all like you seemed totally normal but I think it's different for everybody right there's like a genetic predisposition.

It's like APOE4. They said that about CTEs. We don't even know. And I haven't, like, done any, like, research on it lately, so I don't know if they've, like, found anything out. But I know a few years ago, we don't even know if you're, like, genetically predisposed to getting this anyways. And, you know, the hits and football hits and tackles and stuff,

like, make it move anyways and you know the hits and football hits and tackles and stuff like make it move faster you know so you know you know you're feeling it at 40 50 instead of 70 or 80 right when you go back and you know if like if you think about like your your times playing football like your great times versus your great wins in fighting? Like what is more satisfying to you? There's no drug. There's no anything that you could do to replicate the emotions and feelings after knocking a motherfucker out. And I'm not like talking about like getting on top and hitting him until the red pulls you off. Like one punch, boom, he's jello on the ground.

Like you might have killed that guy. There's no better feeling. And I've won like when I played football, we went playing the national championship and had a pretty big play at the end of the game that kind of sealed it. But even that, the last game of my college career, doesn't equate to knocking out Jaffe on the tall the way I did it just doesn't it's one-on-one it's you versus me and I just did that to you it's just and I've you know done quite a few drugs

you know I had quite a few big moments yeah other side of the coin there's no fucking lower feeling than getting your ass whooped uh in front of you know not only the crowd but the people on tv and uh you know so but i'll take it dude i'll fucking run the risk of that versus the high you get after a knockout or a win uh and you know any day do you remember the feeling of like your first loss where you're like oh geez this is different yeah because uh my first loss was to uh machida and i feel like i beat machida i just so happened to fight him in brazil and i think that he thinks that he lost because you know before they read the scorecards his head's all low and he's you know yeah kind of pouting and he's like oh winner by split decision his head's all low, and he's, you know, kind of pouting. And then he's like, oh, winner by split decision, Machida. And all of a sudden, he's like, wow.

But that was not a loss like a, you know, that was not like Tiago Santos' loss. It wasn't, you know. Yeah. I think. Because you could have won that fight. Yeah. I remember that fight. You could have won that fight. I remember that fight you could have won that fight

I had his back you know you know yeah I was in that fight but I kind of liked or told myself anyways that I kind of liked

pushing myself like I like the challenge you know and you know two fights later you know he's fucking

fighting for the championship and to be honest like I think that's kind of the fight that put me on the map even though it was a loss you know I think the people liked like these two big motherfuckers just stood in the middle and just swung on each other till one couldn't anymore and you know from the fans perspective I think they really liked that so yeah it was definitely in bed a big fights but but it's not like a fight, like a serious loss.

Yeah. Round tree was pretty devastating. Just because, like, there's something about that day where I was just like, dude, I don't want to fight. I do not want to fuck a fight. I'm going to do it anyways, but don't really want to be here right now. What do you think that is? I have no idea. Because, I mean, all the preparation, all the training.

Dude, there's some fights, like, when I made my debut, I had zero nerves, and as soon as my feet touched the canvas and I felt, like, how grippy it is, I was like, dude, he's dead. This motherfucker's out of here. I know he's going to win. I know I'm going to win. But that round tree fight in particular, I remember walking to the cage like, But that Roundtree fight in particular, I remember walking to the cage like,

and then someone puts a banana peel out here, and I fucking slid. Like, fuck, dude, that dope. Can we do this tomorrow? Is that the only time you've ever felt like that? To that extreme, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. What do you think that was?

I don't know, and I was really confident going into that fight because I didn't think that he could wrestle. I was watching film. I was like, dude, he's never, like, just flat. Like, he's dropped a lot of people, but he just dropped them. Like, he never, like, knocked them unconscious. I was like, all right, even if I do eat one, I'll fucking still be alive and be able to fight and shit. But I don't know, dude. I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and I was like, fuck.

That's what you were talking about earlier when you were talking about Khabib and Usman and these guys that like every single time they're mentally there yeah that's probably one of the hardest parts of the sport gotta be and there's other fights for like I'm gonna get in this dude's ass and it's gonna be hell for him so I don't know what that is um have you ever been a sports psychologist? Yeah, they all say different shit. One guy would say, just be happy to be here, and I'm just like, that's preposterous. No, dude. I used to make fun of people. I was like, oh, dude, he's just happy to be here.

He's for sure finna get a gas beat or whatever. Or don't worry about the outcome. I was like, no, dude, I am worried about the fucking outcome because that's half my money. You lose a fight, I could get cut. Yes, the outcome absolutely matters. Stop talking to me. That's another thing I hate about the sport, the win-lose bonus. I don't like that at all.

I think you should have played. It's not like no one is trying harder because you're going to get your win bonus. You're trying to fucking win. You're in a goddamn cage fight. I don't think it incentivizes. And I think with the judging, the judging is so erratic. Like, sometimes they're so wrong. Yeah, I feel like I won my last fight, too.

But the judges said I didn't. I was like, man, how? What? That was a very close fight. Yeah. I thought you won it, too. Yeah. So, I'm like, what?

I mean, what do you mean? But then you lose half your money. Yeah. Which is crazy. I don't, I'm like, what? I mean, what do you... But then you lose half your money. Yeah. Which is crazy. I don't care about, like, the loss column as much as I do. Because, like, I invest, you know, I don't buy stupid shit with my money. So, it's not like, oh, I was going to blow it. But anyways, dude, how many houses could I have bought with, you know, my win bonus?

How much more money could I have invested in, like, mid-states and oil and gas companies and stuff like that. So I'm like, it kind of fucks me up. It's so hard because so many fights are so goddamn close. Today I watched Brandon Moreno versus Davidson Figueredo, the rematch. And Figueredo won the rematch. And I was watching. I was like, man, what a close fucking fight.

And Brandon thought he won. And I'm like, the fact that he's not getting half his money is crazy. Yeah. I mean, he fought. It was a hell of a fight. A hell of a fight. Fought his ass off. And I feel the same way about Max Holloway versus Volkanovski in the second fight.

That fight was so goddamn close. It was so close. Like, how could you take a man's half his money away based on some subjective opinions of whether or not he won the fight? What do you think the answer is for, like, the judging? You think there should be more judges, open scoring? Yeah, I think both of those things would be good. I think more judges for sure. I think five judges would be the right way to do it.

I think Glory uses four or five kickboxing. I think that would be better. I don't think three's enough because, like, sometimes you'll have, like, two people that get it totally wrong, and then one person gets it right. Did you see Caitlin Vieira and Holly Holm? Yes, I did, yeah. Yeah, Holly Holm won, like, three or four rounds.

Yeah, I have to go and watch that again. I have to go and watch that again to try to figure out, you know. I like the open scoring. Let me know. Like, you know, I play a football game. I play a basketball game. I know the score of the game, you know. The only worry about that is that someone might go in like Devin Haney

versus Combosis, right, go into that final round knowing that you're. Bring back yellow cards or whatever. You're going to get penalized, motherfucker. If you run, if you don't engage, you're going to fucking lose a point. See, yellow card was a great part of Pride. Pride was a great organization. But they use yellow cards sometimes

when people are just being strategic and smart. Like, they just wanted entertainment. There's something about... Because then, like, some guys, they're just being smart. and smart like they just wanted entertainment yeah there's something about because then like some guys they're just being smart but then you have fights like the rose nama unis carla esparza fight where you're like what the fuck is happening here nothing's happening like they both should have got yellow cards like what are you doing yeah like you know a million people are watching right now. Come on. You know, you saw Yair and Korean Zombie. Yes.

Woo! You think if – I don't know if the Zombie knew if he was up all those rounds because it was a close fight. Right. You know, he was up, like, I think four rounds. So he was, like, trying to push it because I don't think he knew that he was up. Right. And he got knocked out in 10 seconds with 10 seconds left in the thing.

What a crazy elbow, too. That was nuts. I think, what do you think the mechanism is to, you know how some dudes get knocked out, they go stiff and they're like fucking locked out like roadkill or like when they go like rubber chicken. Why do you think the two different things happen? It's a good question. It's like what's going on in the brain because that's that's scary the way he like fell and

fucking like oh shit dude yeah but roadkill scary too the the when the guys stiffen up and just but you know he's alive i guess his muscles are fucking seized up he's like his heart's still beating you know i guess I don't know. They're both scary. When you get shut off, getting shut off is fucking scary. And one of the things about the UFC that's really interesting is that no one's ever died. You know, I mean, there's been so many deaths in boxing during the same time period. Obviously, boxing has many, many different promotions, and the UFC only has one.

Yeah. many different promotions and the UFC only has one. But the only deaths that I know of in MMA are either people with a pre-existing condition or people who fought overseas. Some of them have been from weight cuts. There's been like death because of that. But it's interesting that relatively speaking, MMA is more safe than boxing, even though you think it's not because the knockouts are so crazy. Like a head kick knockout is crazy. That one that you landed, the soccer kick, like holy shit.

But it's over. It's over. It's not like that dude took like six of those. That's true too. You know, boxing, I feel like they take a lot more, especially like the way they train too. I'm like, dude, you motherfuckers, it's pretty archaic how you guys are training. You guys are training like Neanderthals. Yeah yeah they beat the fuck out of each other sometimes you know and really just be one like everybody else is there for him and he beats the fuck out of all of them yeah and you're getting brain damage even though you just paid as a

sparring partner you're getting fight brain damage yeah when. When you spar, do you spar hard? Like, how do you spar? I always spar with bubble gloves. Yeah? Yeah. So, like, we throw, but I'm not going to try to knock you out. Right. You know? And, you know, my training partners, you know, they respect the game, too.

So, yeah, we're getting in there. We're fighting. You know, it's getting, you know, chaotic chaotic in there but i'm not worried about getting knocked out in training or getting hurt in training and then showing up to a fight with like a compromised you know chin or yeah you know getting knocked out in practice and then still showing up to the fight where you do you know you should probably yeah just pull out it'd be okay that does happen man that does happen sometimes guys fight and they're they're they're from before the fight even starts you know do you remember when uh travis luther fought marvin eastman he just touched him on the chair and marvin just like flat out

unconscious isn't that crazy he had been ko twice in training yeah yeah i think it's crazy how someone can go like their whole career and just be like, fuck, he's durable, it's fucking chin, and then the next day, a stiff breathe. Like, dude,

what the fuck was that, dude? He's taking a dive. No, no, no, he's fucking, he's asleep right now. Chuck Liddell was a good example of that. Yeah.

You know, and do you see the Chuck Liddell Tito Ortiz fight? The last one? Yeah. It's like, whoa.

It's sad. Yeah. I, you know, would really hope to not you know fight past like 40 or whatever it's not even past 40 because randy won the title past 40 and he was great and he's still great today he's like a wrestler you know he wasn't like yeah out there trading but he was out there trading to him he I mean, he got knocked out by Chuck, you know, and then came back and beat Tim Sylvia, knocked down Tim Sylvia in the first round.

It's just some people are more durable for whatever reason, genetically, and then some people, it's like the amount of sparring they took in training. But Chuck is one of the best examples of it because when Chuck was young, he was known for having like a granite chin. You could just crack him and he would just fire back at you and he knocked a lot of people out just because he could take a shot so well. And then one day it just stopped working. That's crazy. Yeah, and then the knockouts came, you know, like Rampage KO'd him

and then other people were KOing him. Then it just got to a point Where it's just like One good punch And you would just go out Yeah Yeah I feel like your chin Is like a pitcher's arm

That motherfucker Can only take so much You got a limited number of Yeah Pitches or You know Shots that you can take before That motherfucker just ain't

The way Chuck explained it to me Is like your brain Is protecting you It's like your brain Knows you're so tough And it's like Hey explain it to me. He's like your brain is protecting you It's like your brain knows you're so tough, and it's like hey. We're gonna protect this guy. He's stupid He's gonna keep getting hit so let's just shut off. I would like to believe that's like a real rationale, but I Don't know that's uh it's probably not no it's like way more sinister

Yeah, if I could brace swelling inside your skull right now is what's happening well that's the saddest part right when you when you see the speech patterns change You know, there's quite a few guys. I've seen their speech patterns change. You see they struggle to try to form sentences that Slowing of the words and and sometimes their their movements change. That's one of the weirder ones and and sometimes their their movements change that's one of the weirder ones I've noticed guys like they've been killed a few times and then I watch them train and I see they take like shorter steps they take like it's almost like like they're bouncing not right or they're there's no fluidity their their their body movements are all almost herky-jerky it's weird when they start a sentence and then they're like

and then they you know it's like a long pause i'm like forget like they're high are you good like i think you need to they start talking about things again that they just talked about a couple minutes ago they forgot they said it and they said it again dude i uh i do that i retell stories but like larry's like oh did i ever tell you about the times like yeah motherfucker you told me that you know 30 too much no not like 30 seconds but like just a long time you know a few months i'm like fuck dude i don't have any more stories that's normal that's normal that's just life and also you know you got to think of how many different times you talk to people how many different times you talk to people, how many different people you talk to.

You're constantly traveling to fights, constantly training and meeting people. Your interactions with people are much more varied than the average person. Sure. Making me feel better. I appreciate it. No, you did. You're good, man. You're good.

You're good. Listen, Eric, it's been great sitting down and talking to you. It's been great watching your fights, man. I, you did. You're good, man. You're good. You're good. Listen, Eric, it's been great to sit down and talk to you. It's been great watching your fights, man. I'm a fan. You're always exciting. It's always a lot of fun. I appreciate it, brother. And you're a cool dude to talk to.

So I enjoyed it. Appreciate it. Good luck to you in everything, man. And next five fights, whatever it is, I hope I'm calling them. All right. All right. I'm going to get it taught, man. I don't think we ever won one of the fights.

Actually, I did. I beat Darren Stewart, and I think they ran over time. Yeah, that happens. Sometimes people get mad at me. I'm like, yeah, that's not me. They tell me in the truck whether or not I can talk to somebody. I'm like, yeah, I get to talk to Joe, and they're like, fuck out of here. It'll happen.

Hopefully. Thank you, though. Appreciate it. Take care. Bye, though. Appreciate it. Take care. Bye, everybody.