The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #13 with Rose Namajunas & Pat Barry

Episode Date: January 23, 2018

Joe Rogan sits down with the current UFC Strawweight Champion, Rose Namajunas, and Pat Barry.

and we're live what's up oh nothing thanks for doing this appreciate it yeah thanks for having me i like how you're dressed very casual look like yeah it's all about comfort these days like part like monk like there's like a lot of monk like to what you got the shaved head and the wooden beads and the whole deal yeah yeah i mean i kind of decided that like i ever since cutting my hair that uh i don't know i'm just gonna do away with like not being like not being comfortable in any area so heels um you're gonna have to pay me to do that. Really? Yeah, I don't know. It's just I'm not a big fan of heels because I can't run away in them. That's a good point. I think that's why they made them.

It only makes sense. Girls wearing tight skirts where your legs are constricted, right? Or tight dresses that go down to your knees especially. Yeah. Those things are weird. That's like a thing where girls can barely walk. You have heels. Your toes are down.

It's like the opposite of being strong. It's like you're very vulnerable can barely walk. You have heels. Your toes are down. It's like the opposite of being strong. It's like you're very vulnerable, right? Very vulnerable, yeah. I don't know if it's just because of the way I grew up, but I was always looking over my shoulder. Anytime I was walking down the wrong alley, I was always ready to scope out the area and just run and be able to run. I think everybody's like that, though, right?

Yeah. Especially girls. though, right? Yeah. I mean, especially girls. You should be. Yeah. I mean, just me in particular, just because I was the only girl that looked like myself. I was the smallest all the time or youngest or, like, the only white girl on my block. So it was always, like, I stood out. And so, yeah, I like to be safe.

That smart? Yeah. Or be able to, like, you like to be safe. That's smart. Yeah. Or be able to like, you know, throw a kick in these pants. Yeah. Those were like sweatpants or something. What do you got on? Uh, these are called harem pants. Harem pants.

Yeah. Let me see. Get up there with that. Oh, they're crazy. They're like, they've got cool designs on them. What are those designs? Um, I don't really know, but they're super comfy. And I got, um, they came off this website called

harempants.com or something like that and what are the wooden beads about? so this is I got it from a friend Cassie Robb who's also a fighter she's my teammate back at home and she gave it to me leading up to the fight with Joanna

just for some strength and courage. I think this is supposed to, like, give you, like, some type of confidence or whatever. Yeah. It's just like an energy beat. I don't know if it really, like, I mean, I guess it works, but, you know. If you believe it works, it works. Exactly. Yeah, that's kind of how I always feel about everything.

It's like a placebo effect, right? Yeah. I got to tell you that your victory speech after you beat Ioana was my all-time favorite. Because it wasn't even just about you or about the fight. It wasn't about anything. It was just you expressing yourself. Pat, what are you doing over there? You all right?

Checking out this little tassel. Yeah, no. I just think that... It was an awesome victory victory speech it was really amazing it was uh you were you know you were just spilling your heart out and it was in your your moment to shine and in your moment to shine you you didn't make it about you i think i fight better that way you know when i'm i'm i'm you know it's always about me like throughout the training camp like everybody like my coaches and teammates are always you know

helping me and it's just it gets to be a bit much sometimes you know and i want to um i want to help other people um it fills my spiritual cup more um you know your spiritual cup yeah um i think that you know i've uh you know if you if your hands close to to give you know you can't be open to receive kind of thing and um i think that um the more that i can give to people the more that i can get myself you know and i think that um you know just like plants and animals the way you know if you look at nature everything is a symbiotic relationship i think that um humans can be the same way that's an interesting way of looking at things. Have you always looked at things like that?

No. I shouldn't say not always, but I always was a person that, you know, wanted to be outside, wanted to be in nature. I grew up in an urban jungle in Milwaukee and just concrete everywhere. You know, no place to go outside except for, you know, just playing in the alleys and stuff.

But my lineage is from Lithuania where they're, like, very in tune with nature and they're pagans and, like, slash Christian. And so they really, you know, just my whole family, you know, they come from living off the land and stuff like that. And so that's always been something I wanted to do. Not just put in a situation, you know, just to, you know, try and do martial arts and trying to like, you know, I guess control my emotions and stuff. Just living in this, you know, chaotic environment that I grew up in. And nature is where I felt the most peace at.

So that's always something that I grew up in and um nature is where I felt the most peace at so that's always something that I connected with and then the more that I kind of uh focus on nature and uh animals and stuff like that I noticed that you know there's a I don't know I try to live my life the same way well it's just interesting leading up to that fight too that you are kind of like the antidote to a lot of the things that people are getting annoyed at in MMA all the trash talking and all the negativity and all the like fighting at press conferences and you just shut all that shit down with joanna i mean there needs to be balance you know it's like i mean i i like entertainment you know i'm not i i you know i should talk sometimes too you know right but uh i there just has to be a balance

it has to be honest too if you really feel this way about somebody if you're really upset with this person yeah say how you feel but don't just go out of your way just to be entertaining because you think it's going to be funny or you think it's just going to be it's not genuine

but it was just the way you handled yourself because her whole thing is talking shit. Her whole thing is scaring people. I'm the boogie woman. Come and go get you. Yeah. You know, all that stuff. And you were just dead faced.

And I think that fucked her head up. I really did. You ever see that video of, like, the, what was that video? How to Humble a Bully? How to Humble a Bully? Well, not that one. The one you just showed me earlier was, like, is, is this dude like standing in front of an elephant? Oh, yeah.

And he like started charging at him. And then he was like calm, you know, and he just stood there. Yeah. That guy got lucky. Very lucky. He got lucky that elephant really didn't want to trample him. Yeah, we just watched an elephant is coming through in his light. Yeah, I've seen that.

And the guy just stands there in one spot and it stops. That guy got lucky. But yeah, I think that's just- Don't try that at home, too. No, yeah, no. Yeah, not advertising that at all. But that's a not advertising that at all because you're talking about an animal right right um but it's just i think it's a good analogy to to draw from like joanna's energy she was very like chaotic and very um in my face and very threatening intimidating yeah and like yeah don't go out of your way to stand in front of an elephant that's running at you.

Like, don't put yourself in that position. But I had to be there. That's my job, you know. So when you're in those situations where you like, you don't know what to do, you know, you just stay calm. Yeah. Well, you didn't just stay calm. You stayed eerily calm. And you were like reciting the Lord's Prayer.

When I asked you that, I was like, whoa. I was like, what are you saying over there? And you're like, I'm reciting the Lord's Prayer. When I asked you that, I was like, whoa. I was like, what are you saying over there? And you're like, I'm reciting the Lord's Prayer. I'm like, whoa. Yeah. It was heavy. Honestly, because the whole training camp was just crazy. But that week in particular, I was convinced that this might be my last fight.

This might be my last day on earth. I was so just ready for anything at that point. Why were you thinking that might be your last fight? I don't know. Something crazy. I don't know. Just because I don't know. I think I started to think that almost like every fight is because it's a crazy way to make a living.

Yeah. It's tough. But it's the best thing in the world. Especially the all of the all of the stressors that came along with this fight in particular right especially all of those like and then we have but we've had a in that fight we had we had a few like kind of i don't want to say magical moments but say for instance uh we bring mishka with us everywhere we go um Your dog. Yeah. Our flight was delayed three hours, four hours. And when we landed, we landed like a few hours after that truck drove through the park and killed all the people in New York, which was right by our hotel.

Which if we would have been there on time, we would have signed the posters and then been outside at a park walking Mishka. So, I mean, just little things like that. Like we would have been outside maybe at that spot and had been witness to that thing or at least would have heard it or something you know and that would have affected me you know and um the antifa march yeah and there is just all this stuff about you know like people are going to be protesting and stuff like that and they even like the day of the fight and i just get a lot of anxiety over that stuff i get anxiety over like big crowds of people and it's like you know it's feeling crazy yeah um you know and it's uh yeah i just i i wasn't even just thinking about the fight with joanna it was more than that you know it was like whatever what all her energy represented to me like all my past like um just

negative people that you know uh you know want to want to strike fear into your heart you know and um i wasn't gonna let that happen even though i was scared but you know i just uh i wasn't gonna stop doing what i was doing just because of that but you were like eerily focused like one time she stuck her fist in your face and touched your face you didn't even move yeah because i know she needed a reaction from me you know it's just like um it's just like with anybody you know if you don't give energy to something negative you don't feed the fire you know yeah that's gotta be a mind fuck for her though right right she's so used to people reacting to her and headbutting but you know going head to head with her trying to show her and you just stayed calm yeah because i mean you know it's it's uh either you really

i mean it's either one of two things either you really dislike me enough to like you know put your hands on me outside of the competition or it's fake you know or it's a character or you're just doing this for show right you know it's either one of the two and i just don't think she's really a bad person i just think that you know she's put in this position and maybe that's what she felt like she had to do. Well, I wrote something about the Volkan-Ozdemir-Daniel Cormier fight the other day that what Ozdemir was trying to do and what Cormier was trying to do, it's like they're trying to sow seeds of doubt.

Yeah. There's a real issue with someone that's about to fight where you're about to compete and it's this crazy nerve wracking thing and the unknown is always there. You don't know what's going to happen. Right. So if someone can convince you, I'm going to fuck you up. You're like, God damn, is he going to fuck me up? Yeah. You really start thinking it if it's in your head.

And that one of the things that Daniel said in that fight was that there's levels to this thing. Like you think you're going to come in and fuck me up? This is crazy. There's levels to this. You're not you're gonna come in and fuck me up this is crazy it's levels to this he's not you'd you'd not you'd you haven't experienced this yet right and that's just something that i you know i i i uh have a lot of respect for you on a still you know and i think it's great that i was put in this position to face her because i had to get better in order like i had to uh get up to that level you know to face her and i had to do a lot of research and work on my mental stability.

She kept saying I was mentally unstable in those phone calls and stuff, like the conference calls beforehand. Why was she saying you were mentally unstable? I don't know. Because Rose is mentally unstable. Yeah. Well, my dad is. She was correct. Like in what way?

I mean, well, I don't know. To me, I can't speak for myself, but like. Pat, you want to speak for her? I can speak for her. Please do. I mean, I'm sure he could come up with all kinds of stuff. It's like everyone getting ready for a fight. There are some people who can be excited about the fight the entire time and they don't give a shit about anything and they just love it.

And then there's also the ones who get ready for a fight and while getting ready for the fight, it's nerve-wracking. And especially with all of the boogie woman and all the you're mentally unstable and then in the history with her dad and her history growing up and just all of those things coming to a head, this was exactly what Rose wanted it to be, the scariest possible situation for her to be in. In New York, with the Antifa march that happened

in front of the hotel the morning of, we almost didn't make it to the fight. What march happened? What was going on? This was the anti-Donald Trump march? Yeah. Something, yeah. And it sounded way bigger than it was, you know,

because I just, you know, like there's a quote. That was when we had a walk, right? We had a walk to the arena. No, that was the year before. Yeah, it happened the morning of the fight right through the front of the hotel, which that's fine. But Rose had seen some weeks in advance someone somewhere post that Antifa was going to strike on November 4th. Yeah, I was planning on taking over the whole country. They were planning on a strike on November 4th.

It ended up being nothing. Seriously, I was like, we were getting ready. We had done our morning shakeout. What's the morning shakeout? The day of the fight, the first thing we do when we get up is just shake it out. All your nerves and stuff, all your nervous energy is inside of you the day of the fight. And you just want to, you don't want to go to the arena the first time breaking a sweat or getting that heavy breathing, you know, because. A workout before going to the arena.

Yeah. So what kind of workout do you do? Just like light mitt work or? Actually, we blow it out hard. Like, we just get it out. You know, like, you know, when you first start running or something or you do a workout and you're just like breathing heavy, like you get your first like heavy wind out. Yeah. That's like you just blow right through it.

So what kind of stuff do you do? Just hit pads, like intense, you know, just whatever. Actually, it is like you go off of a feel, you know, whatever you're feeling. Like, some days when I fought Tisha, I was, like, kind of sick and, like, on antibiotics because I, like, got the red tide or something. And I barely slept. And, like, so I didn't – our shakeout was not very long. Like, it was like, okay, I got to save my energy to get to the arena. So we barely even did one. But, like, for this one, the shakeout was pretty normal.

You know, we just hit pads. Hit pads for about seven minutes, and then she shadow boxed real hard for, like, five minutes. Maybe we might do a little bit of grappling or something like that, but, yeah. And then it was just set. And then, you know, go take a nap, like, you know, get in the shower, you know, kind of visualize and just, like, lay down. Not even take a nap, but just, like, close your eyes eyes do you always eat the same thing on the day of a fight i barely even eat on a fight day like i the way i cut weight is i'll do like a the day before i'll do i mean i don't really have to cut that much weight so so um but like i'll do like a juice

fast like i'll for one day i'll just drink fluids um and then the next day i'll sit in a hot shower and then just sweat it out um because i don't like to i i don't like to um dehydrate myself too much like i'd rather have fluids and no food than than lots of food in my stomach no fluids right and she's talking about sweating out two pounds i said no like five pounds last time i'm getting bigger now uh this fight was i think it was like 125 130 i can't remember i think like the week of the fight i was like 127 and like by the time weight cut started i was like 125 ish so you're cutting 10 or 120 she was one she was five pounds i can't remember i don't even know uh when we started the way she rose walks around around lately, lately because of just the growth in size.

Lately, she's been walking around 125, 127. But every fight, like the day before weigh-in, she's 118, 119. Yeah, but fight week, I'm like 120. Yeah. Yeah. Talking about going to saunas.

And then I'm like, man, what are we going to do to get this one off? It's like, man, go spit. So you don't have like a particular type of food that you like to eat the day of a kind of food like carbohydrate rich or like what do you it depends on where i'm at so like you know because every place has different food and like some places it's like nasty food but um in new york there's this like little smoothie shop across the street there's this like most delicious smoothie that like i just had it all week a chocolate rose it was a chocolate rose it was

really good so i had that like every day of the week and that was i think the day of the fight i had like a little bit of that but i i don't know um when he used to when marty morgan was his coach he always used to say like you know you have enough like food and energy in you to sustain you for the fight it's more just like mentally like if you want to eat something right but um so i so ever since he ever said that i was like yeah i never i never um wanted to eat during fight day because i'm just like so nerves yeah you can't you can't digest it you have to be like relaxed what kind of diet do you follow normally uh i try and make everything homemade as possible so that's like kind of my thing you know i'm never like i'm never anti-anything.

I don't like to be like... I mean, except for lots of sugar and obviously things that are obviously bad for you. I like to make everything from scratch as much as possible. So you cook? Yeah. The more process that something takes in order to make it from scratch, I think the less you should eat it, you know, like if like something like bread, you know, if you do it from scratch, like make your own, uh, starter culture and like you, um,

that takes like a week by itself and you have to add more flour and water to it. Like over time, it takes another two weeks. So like you shouldn't be eating bread every day, know so it takes a lot of work but like say you know if you have like a garden you got tomatoes which you know we grew the last camp uh you know you could just eat those real easy because you just pick it and eat it so you make your own bread too um i i tried once and it was it was all right but i had to work on it a little bit more but that's like my goal you know it's like to try and make everything from scratch. That's interesting.

She makes her own kombucha. Oh, yeah. By the way, this is pretty good. Like normally I don't like, I would use this brand to like make my own. GTs? Yeah. Yeah, like to do like the starter scoby or whatever. But yeah, usually I don't like them, but this one's pretty good.

Yeah, GTs is my favorite. You have to have a driver's license to purchase that. You have to be over 21. Really? Yeah, because it's got more than one half of 1% alcohol by volume. So it's impossible to get drunk off of it. I mean, it's just got a very marginal amount. Because of the fermentation, there's a marginal amount of natural alcohol in it.

Yeah. So you have, but that's the good ones. The other ones that you can buy in any store, those are watered down. Yeah. They don't even have like the scoby in it. Yeah. So you have, but that's the good ones. The other ones that you can buy in any store, those are watered down. Yeah, they're just like, yeah. They don't even have like the scoby in them. I like making it myself though because I think it tastes a lot better. Like I'll use green tea instead of black tea and I'll like add ginger and stuff like that to it.

Cool. Yeah, I did that for a while. I just get tired of it. I know, yeah. Having big bowls laying around. Little science experiments. Giant slimy thing. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fun fun it's fun to do but i i was doing that in the 90s like yeah way way back oh yeah yeah i got one from andy dick yeah andy dick gave me like he was he was making in his house like what are you making he gave me something i was like this is actually pretty good

yeah yeah yeah i don't know so so yeah like i mean i try not to be too scientific on stuff but um you know uh whatever like whatever feel good like whatever makes you feel good i think is what you should eat um so you don't i don't like sweets or anything like that i don't really i grew up you know my mom was lithuanian like my parents were actually lithuanian refugees that came i'm first generation american and we grew up like eating sauerkraut and potatoes and you know just My parents were actually Lithuanian refugees that came. I'm first-generation American. And we grew up eating sauerkraut and potatoes and just real Eastern European type stuff. So I never really liked candy or anything like that. So it's been like a lifestyle for me and never like a thing that I'm on this diet that I have to do.

You know what I mean? Right, right. Now, how did you get involved in martial arts? My stepdad put me and my brother in taekwondo, like, from a young age. And then from there, you know, it was just such a positive thing for me just because, like, it kept us out of trouble. It, you know, taught me how to defend myself, gave me confidence, things like that. And then we also, like, watched a lot of Dragon Ball Z growing up.

So, like, we thought we were, like, you know, badasses or whatever. And we thought we could power up and stuff. So it was a fun thing for, like, as kids. And then it kind of just evolved into more of, like, a, you know, real life application. And, you know, people used to make fun of us, like, you know, for doing that. But we also used to get in, like fights on like in our neighborhoods and stuff and um you know my love for martial arts grew from that and then I just wanted to try every martial art you know it's like you know the like like uh flavors of ice cream you know you just want to try all of it so so I tried um

karate after that then uh that's where I got introduced to jiu-jitsu for the first time like real basic you know positional things and then um you know weapons and stuff uh stick fighting yeah i did stick fighting for a while that was pretty fun yeah uh with like you get like the head cage on you just like whack each other and shit yeah it's fun um and then uh pancreation and then after that once i got into high school i was doing a lot of sports and stuff like cross country basketball track everything like i just try to be as active as possible try and stay busy because wrestling yeah i did a little like one season of wrestling as a senior and then uh you know i i came to i did kickboxing and i met pat at du Duke Rufus' gym in Milwaukee.

And then that's kind of where, you know, I saw guys like him, Anthony Pettis, all those dudes, like, doing it as a profession. So I was like, I mean, I could do it as a profession, too, you know? Wow. And how old were you at the time? So I first walked into Duke's gym, I think I was, like, 14. And then I left because I had like other obligations and like you know stopped training for a while but I was you know still doing other sports and stuff and I came back you know when I was like 17. So you were really thinking at that time like maybe this

would be something you could do for a career? You know not for sure but like definitely like I saw I was always going to be involved in martial arts no matter what right so like as a hobby did you have another thing that you were thinking of doing before that though like when you were thinking about your future yeah i mean i i knew that i had to do something for money so like i tried a semester of college and realized it's like this is just like high school but i'm paying for it like this is stupid so I stopped going um I really liked um English and so I thought maybe I could go into that or like like except I try to push me into computers and I was like this is stupid like I'm good at it but it just really doesn't excite me

at all and um so you're like that tassel if she wasn't uh doing more shorts right now she should I not be touching this? I don't know. Okay, all right, cool. That was a problem? You're just weird over there. You're making a lot of motion. I'm hanging this out, man. I think Rose would have been farming.

Farming? Yeah. So, like, my, yeah, that's always been, like, my thing is, like, you know, when they ask us what we want to be when we grow up is I always said I want to be a farmer. Really? Ever since I was a kindergartner. Just because you like the idea of growing things out of the ground and like you were saying before, making your own food from scratch.

Yeah. A tomato from your garden that you grew tastes so much better than from the store. Now, when you two started hanging out and Pat had already been an accomplished kickboxer, was an MMA fighter, and did that sort of embolden you to the idea? Oh, to the fighting? Yeah. Like fighting? Yeah. Like, professionally? Yeah.

Mm-hmm. And then that's when I saw, you know, Gina Carano and Cyborg fighting at the same, like, that big fight that they had. And then that's kind of what inspired me to, like, I was like, oh, I can take this to the next level. Wow. The Gina Carano thing, that got a lot of people in the MMA, right? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She was the first. A lot of people don't even know. A lot of these kids today that know about Ronda Rousey and they got introduced into the sport. Gina Carano was the original Ronda Rousey. Mm-hmm. She was the one back in the day.

Yeah, I liked her a lot. She definitely broke some barriers. Obviously, Ronda came after her and took it to even quadruple that. So, yeah, it's awesome. What does it feel like to be the champ now? Because that's a crazy thing. It's a crazy thing that happened. The fight was insane.

And if people thought you were going to win, they probably thought you'd win by submission or maybe by decision. But when you cracked her in the first round and dropped her and put her away and then dc starts screaming thug rose thug rose that's like one of my favorite times commentating with dc too because he just was overcome with emotion just couldn't help it yeah um i don't know man it's like somebody asked me like what's different since you've been champ and i'm like really i'm just sitting here trying to figure out what's different you know like obviously you're sitting here talking to you like that's cool but i want to talk to you before yeah i mean it's kind of cool to talk to you now that this crazy thing happened right right um so yeah i mean things are different. You know, like, I definitely notice more people recognizing me.

Well, you have a very unique look, too, with your shaved head. Yeah, I can't hide no more. You'd have to wear wigs to go to the movies, right? Right, right, yeah. And you guys are going to fight again in April. Uh-huh. Back in New York. Yeah.

Yeah, that'll be cool. Thug Girls coming to Brooklyn. Thug Girls is coming to Brooklyn. When the fight was over, did you take some time off? Did it even sink in? Oh, yeah. We had to get the fuck out of there. We had to go home.

All that stuff, the truck accident and the protests and all this paranoia that I had, I had to hide away. I'm a hermit, so I like to be at home. We went straight to the airport, 2.30. 2.30 in the morning? Our flight wasn't until 9 a.m. We heard there was going to be a marathon the next day. Yeah, we heard there was

going to be a marathon, but also Rose did what she did, and as soon as it happened, we all went, oh, fuck. I feel like I robbed a bank. I was like, oh, I gotta go home. Everybody be cool. Just keep smiling. bank. Like, I was like, oh, I gotta go home. Everybody be cool. Just keep smiling. Wow. Yeah, that was a...

I mean, obviously, I knew that was going to happen. Like, I actually envisioned me knocking her out with, like, an uppercut in the third round because I thought she was going to be, like, overly aggressive after a certain point and she would get frustrated. That didn't happen because, you know, she thought i was throwing a jab but yeah why do you think that i mean when you went into that fight she was such an overwhelming favorite she was thought of as being one of the

pound for pound top fighters in any weight class and why did you think you were going to knock her out because everybody tries to take her down everybody's so desperate for the takedown that it's like her striking. I mean, just from what I see, it's, I mean, I stood across from Valentina Shevchenko, and, like, we go, like, back and forth. Like, it's not a thing to me. Like, I got Pat A.G. Berry in my corner. I got Trevor Whitman in my corner. And I've done Taekwondo striking, like, my whole life.

Like, it's not something that I've never seen before. You and just that dutch style of kickboxing like it's great it's hard it's very intimidating to stand across from but you can you know it's very rhythmic on the beat like it's not i don't know it's it's just something that it looks scary but it's not to be scared of you know that's interesting the way you're putting it because most people thought of her as being like this very solid her fundamentals are rock solid she's incredibly technical yeah vicious jab yeah you know and but you just saw that the rhythm was predictable i mean we knew everything she was gonna do before she did it it's just we've been watching it for a long time.

You know, like and she is the like I mean, she's the most dominant female. Like these girls could not hang with her, you know, and she's still the best out there. You know, Joanna's been on the radar since she beat Carla. Like we knew that that was the fight since she beat Carla. And it was just a matter of how were we going to get there? Like what route were we going to take to get there? And so when the fight came around, a big, a big, this whole, this entire training camp was mental. It wasn't physical.

The whole training camp every day was mental. Mentality, mind, mental, mental strength, just mental, mental, mental. The entire training camp. And one of the keys to the fight was knowing what she's going to do before she does it and I mean not just in the fight but in the interviews in the press conference backstage backstage like we we knew everything that was gonna happen and it all happened exactly the way we knew it was going to yeah we would this was this was an excellent dissection of a person of an athlete now

what is the feeling like having gone through that, having accomplished it, having literally blown it out of the water, right? You smashed her in the first round. Crazy moment. Now you've got to do it again. I know, yeah, that's the tough part. What's the thought process? You know,

just, you can't make the, what was the saying? I don't know, I'm going to mess it up. Mona Lisa? Yeah, you can't paint the Mona Lisa twice, you know. So it can't be the same approach, you know. It has to be something different. It has to be, but, you know, at the same time, if it ain't broke, don't fix it either.

So, like, it's got to be a combination of, like, yeah, we're going to keep doing what we're doing, but, you know, keep getting better, obviously, all the time. That's always a strategy. We don't prepare for one particular person. It's always Rose is on the road to getting her black belt, and that's what the mission is. I mean, of course, we do get into particulars based on who it is, but that's only for a very short period of time.

The whole goal is just to make Rose a black belt in grappling, wrestling, striking. And just in life in general. Interviews, everything. Just become a black belt. Become a master of all of it. And that's been the goal since we started. Like even another, like he was saying, the mentality of this last training camp. It wasn't just like, okay, I'm going to journal, which I do journal a lot.

Or like we talk about just doing a lot we're all like you know like we talk about just doing like a float tank or something like that like those little mental exercises are great but also like um working on creativity what's that I was about to say I just I was just doing the number of ice baths you took oh yeah I did a lot ice baths I said yeah the last one was the worst every day every day but like every day to a point where it actually became challenging for me

to get the water colder because I was like this is ridiculous how she can get in and within under now it's gotten to a point now it's been under 25 seconds

like the you know when you first get it it's like boom like it's under 20 seconds under 20 seconds and she's just stone faced it's just amazing

yeah the last one that I did like it was hurting so bad I was like crying like i never had eyes where i start crying like because it hurts a bit but anyway like yeah so that and then you find a lot of benefit from that yeah yeah i do like i i mean the yeah reduction of inflammation yeah and then just like mental mentally and emotionally too right um you know because it's like why is this so scary but it hurts you know yeah um but it's it's good i mean if you can get in the cold i suppose and nobody standing across me is gonna scare you you

know there's nothing scarier than the cold but uh also and i was gonna i was trying to say this the whole time but uh i've been also getting back into piano because I, you know, used to play piano as a kid. And I got away from that ever since, like, moving from state to state and not having an actual piano, just a keyboard. It's, like, stupid trying to play on a keyboard. But I finally got a piano in my house. And so, like, that's another thing that I started incorporating into my, you know, training, just, like, training my mind to just be more creative and just having an outlet, too. That's interesting. So you feel like that benefits you, just being creative on a piano and playing music.

I think there's a lot of parallels between music and fighting. Oh. Yeah? You think so, too, Pat? I don't know. I don't. Well, yeah. I don't know.

Well, yeah, I was classically trained in piano and jazz in high school. And my mom's a pianist, and so it kind of runs in the family. And so we have been doing that as long as I've been doing martial arts. And it's just a good balance, you know, just like gardening or anything like that is to, you fighting and hurting people it's weird i think it almost might like almost help with her body mechanics in a way to be able to control an individual finger at different times and hit one beat on left hand and a different totally different something on the right hand and and to be able to just do all of that but over and over and over and over again no matter how many times you play the same song you just keep playing and you love playing it like over and over again i think that that that that put that gives rose like a cat like

balance in a way that's interesting have you seen though i'm sure you have seen a lot of those things that people are doing now where a light will go up on a board you have to touch the light like lomachenko does a lot of that stuff yeah there's there's these things that are supposed to like be training your neurocognitiveitive function and your ability to react quickly to things. Right. But there's probably some parallels in that, right? I would think so. I mean, like we said before, it's like if you believe in it, it works.

Yeah. Whatever makes you feel good, whatever makes you happy, too. I think it's a huge part. We've got a new idea for the second one. We've been seeing the light and the touch, this and that. And I think for this next fight coming up, Rose's next evolution in her game, I think, is going to be kind of like a sniper-like accuracy. So we have an idea of having Rose punching tennis balls out of the air. Have you ever tried that hat?

You know that hat with the tennis balls on the hat? Yeah. I haven't tried that yet. You know that hat with the tennis balls on the hat? Yeah. I haven't tried that yet. No. Yeah. Don't like that. You don't like that hat? No.

Why? I don't know. I mean, what's it? It's for accuracy? Lomachenko loves it. He does a lot of... He does look pretty cool doing it. I don't know.

He's a man at it, but I, in my own opinion, I think this is staring at this thing and where's it going. I do think like a double M bag is awesome too. He's just got that tennis ball in front of him. He's being fluid. Yeah. Yeah. You can see him practicing with it.

Yeah, that's cool as a mug, man. Accuracy. Like I said, that's somewhat of an idea that we have an idea for this next training camp where we're going to be launching tennis balls at Rose and having her punch balls out of midair. But not hitting the ball, but standing there and throwing jabs as the ball drops right in front of her. Boom. Just punching the ball, but throwing real punches. And this is your own idea that you came up with? Yeah, I had a dream.

It was weird, man. I just saw it. And if we throw multiple balls at you in different ways and she can like throw a real jab and hit a ball, boom, then, then, um, she'll be able to, I think her reflexes for hitting someone right in the tooth, you know, while they're moving is going to be, uh, is, um, more elevated. And this is like, just, you know, this is, like I said, we're, we always add new stuff, you know, it's like, it's never, um, we don't ever go away from hitting a freaking bag, you know this is like i said we're we always add new stuff you know it's like it's never um we don't ever go away from hitting a freaking bag you know or doing mid work you know like you gotta do things you do road work yeah i love running i love running uh i you know i did cross

country and track in high school and i was really good at it but i think um i was trying to run for the wrong reasons like i was trying to just get a scholarship and get out of the house and just go away. You know, like, so I was like, I felt like it was more of a job than it was like just for fun. And now I run for fun and it's great. You know, it's just like a, I don't know. I think there's a book called like Born to Run. And it's great. I think we all are born to run.

Do you run with minimalist shoes? Yeah, I have some tennis or toe shoes. Yeah. Do you run with minimalist shoes? Yeah, I have some tennis, or toe shoes. Yeah, do you run with those? Is that what you do? Yeah, and like my brother, like he takes it to a whole other level. He like does barefoot completely.

Yeah, I'm like, he's crazy, but I try a little bit, but yeah. What's he running on? Just anything. Noise, sidewalk. I know, yeah, but my brother's a little different yeah he's a whole

another level to be though wow yeah now who organizes your training camp does trevor do it or do you guys all do it together yeah we're all uh we're all like a team that's the key to our little circle is like always having team meetings everybody being on the same page we're not going from one gym to the other to like you know where this coach don't know really what I'm doing or what I just did with this other coach. Like, we're all really good friends and we all grow together. And it's just four of us. It's just four of us.

Right. Trevor, Tony, Rosemey. Yeah. Now we have teammates, but the core circle is just four people. Right. The people that are in charge of how the camp goes. Like fight handling is what we like to call it. Because it's like, I mean, you don't see

Flamie whether going to a boxing class. How long has Valentina Shevchenko been in Denver now? She's not, she went back to Texas. But she, what was it? Last year in January? Was it last year? Like almost all of 2017. That is a phenomenal training partner to have.

Yeah. Man, that was such the. It was fun though. That is a phenomenal training partner to have. Yeah. Man, that was such the- It was fun, though. That was perfect timing. That was one of the best things that happened. She's so technical. Yeah. She's so good.

That check right hook that she throws, when she fought Holly with it, she just shot Holly down with that check hook. And she's got really good jiu-jitsu. Like, it's- Oh, yeah. It's, yeah. Yeah. Just her grind and-

She never stops. Yeah. When she submitted Juliana Pena, I was like, juliana pena i was like oh shit it's very underrated yeah well everybody's scared of her striking and her physical strength too is also very impressive too yeah like she muscles people around yeah she's an angry lady you know like yeah i like yeah she's she's tough i'm a big fan and so um you know when i heard that you were training with her i was like oh that is that's that you want to sharpen the sword yeah iron sharpens iron yeah and i think too i think like a lot of girls aren't used to training with other girls you know we're used to training with other guys so it's like i think it's essential you know for us to get together every once in a while. It doesn't have to be all the time, you know.

But because when a girl gets, like if I get you, like another girl with something or she gets me with something, I get so much more angry at it than like say if like, you know, somebody like Pat or another dude like gets me with something, you know. Right, right, right. Yeah. So when you're doing your camp, say how many weeks out do you say, all right, camp begins now? Like say you have this April 7th fight. Yeah. So when you're doing your camp, say how many weeks out do you say, all right, camp begins now? Like say you have this April 7th fight. Yeah. How many weeks out will you just say it's time to go to war?

I like to close everything off like five weeks out or like four or five weeks out. Like that's like where we hit it hard. It also depends on the scenario and who it is and where we are. Like everything is a day-by-day feel. Like, there's no you eat this on fight week and this is the shakeout that we're going to do. It's going to be five rounds. It's all on feel. Kind of based on the circumstances.

Like, so the last training camp, because we did, like, three training camps with Valentina Shevchenko back-to-back for her, like, do things that really aren't, like, what I've, you know. Rose was a great training partner. Yeah, like, this is not the way that I would try and face her, you know. So you emulate certain opponents? Yeah, so like just going through all of that and all those challenges, going into this last fight, we kind of just pulled it back. Like it was very not intense at all, actually.

It was a lot more focused on, like you said, the mental part and, like, doing a lot of, you know, visualization and, like, self-awareness kind of exercises. Valentina's going to 25 now, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think she'll be fighting February 3rd. So, yeah. And she's been in Texas, I think, training down there.

So, yeah. And, like I said, all on field. And what she did with Valentina was off camp. That was three training camps back to back to back. She had a fight and Valentina came back. It was just more non-stop. The way that Valentina is

capable of doing what she's doing because she trains like everybody. This girl trains like an animal. Everybody does. 10 to 1. You have to. 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. And Pavel sits there. Rose isn't necessarily emulating someone. Pavel, Rose, go get her.

Go. Attack. Attack. And if she's not acting right, go get Pat. He'll get her. Like, attack. It's just nice. That girl is tough, man.

She was one of the biggest blessings for this training camp to come around yeah so so five weeks out is when you really get crazy now haven't already faced joanna and haven't defeated her so soundly in the first fight is i don't want to ever say that there's a possibility you could underestimate her because obviously she's a very dangerous and threatening woman but how do you keep it fresh like how do you how do you approach this with the same sort of intensity and anxiety that you had in the first fight that ramped up like your your performance i mean that was a big part of how turned on you were and how tuned in you were yeah um i've had

uh i almost get like more pressure and anxiety off of like rematches. I mean, I have all my other past experiences to draw from. So, you know, like when I rematched Tisha, there was a lot of lessons learned there. And I have to kind of apply those same lessons to going forward or like other opponents where it could be, there's many like a list of reasons to underestimate this person. Like I have to remember that anything can can happen any moment and anybody can be dangerous and then at the end of the day you know whatever is meant to be is meant to be you know like i remember one time like in the middle of the training camp i had like you know i like my

little yogi tees where they like say like a little you know saying on it and it was something like if it belongs to you it'll come to you or something like that and so i was just like kind of that's how i feel about the belt it's like you know don't go chasing the belt you know just is the belt meant to be yours it's meant to be yours and do everything that you can to keep it and do everything that you can to just be the best version of you but you know don't put that pressure on yourself that i have to be the champion or i have to do this you know because you don't have to do anything. The whole quest has been to see if, like, the mentality has been, let's see if I'm better than this next person. Someone out there is better than me.

Someone eventually is going maybe. I mean, someone out there is better. We just need to find out who it is, and it might be the next person, even if it's someone who we previously fought. It might be her. So we have to be as the most ready possible because we don't know who that individual is. And I think also like focusing on keeping the mentality of like being curious

rather than having a need to know that you're the best. Like just being curious if you're the best. I think that's a healthy way to approach it rather than needing to know like i am better than you it's like i don't know because we're all the same we're all you know human beings you know like at the end of the day like if it's meant to be it's meant to be but you went into that fight wholly confident that you were better than her yeah that's true yeah you're right uh no i mean i definitely feel like i'm the better martial artist, you know, and the better fighter, too.

And it's just, yeah, I have a lot going for me. But I just have to remember these things that, you know, like the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Stay focused. Stay hungry. Now, when it comes to strength and conditioning, how do you parse that out? Like how much time do you spend doing that versus how much do you spend on skill work?

It's almost, like, almost all skill work. I mean, I shouldn't say all, but it's, like, the strength and conditioning isn't something that we, like, is on the first on the priority list. It's kind of just, like, if we want to change it up or do something different. Like, we started doing, sorry, we just got our bikes and that's been fun to do but it's i feel like strength and conditioning should kind of just be i don't know i i'm not i don't really believe in all these like like strength and conditioning culture i think whatever you believe in is what you know works for you and that it works right um but for me that's something that i don't really i feel like a hamster in a wheel if I'm going into some guy telling me

to do these exercises and do this station and go to this thing for this amount of time. I want to be free. I want to be running outside. I want to do something that makes me happy. Or, for example, when we went to Indonesia and we built earthships for an entire month and we did manual labor. What is an earthships for an entire month. And we did manual labor.

What is an earthship? It's a self-sustaining house. Do you think 90% of the people know what the fuck an earthship is? I think Joe Rogan knows everything. He knows everything. I've never known you to not know something. I'm a curious person. What's an earthship?

An earthship is a self-sustaining house that is built off of like recycled materials. And there's a documentary on it called Garbage Warriors. And this dude, Michael Reynolds, he's in New Mexico. And he fought against legislation like in a community to make a earthship community. In New Mexico? Yeah. And so he fought. I can't remember how long it was, but like 40 years or something crazy,

like went to court, like, we need to have this because, you know, and they just wouldn't let him. So he eventually got it, I think, built the entire community. And it's cool. You can go there and check it out in Taos, New Mexico. It's awesome. And you can rent some and stay in it and check it out.

It's kind of like off-grid living. It looks like Star Wars. It's ridiculous. Houses built into the ground out of tires. Jamie's going to pull something up. Oh, Jesus Christ. Look at these fucking houses. They're cool. I need to go to New Mexico. I keep saying

I need to check out New Mexico. Let us know when you're going. There's a hot spring that we go to. Taos. You know what? We've got to go there hot spring that we go to. Whoa. It's cool. So, Tao. You know what? We got to go there and interview Rick Strassman. That's where he lives.

Yeah. He lives in Tao. He says it's all hippies. That place is dope. It is hippie-dippy for sure. Make a large picture of that house. That house looks fucking badass. Look at that shit.

The thing is, they're not just built anywhere. They do some type of coordinate so the house faces a certain direction. To keep it warm. And the sun comes through and keeps the house lit. Monitors at 70 degrees is the best possible way. Yeah. The coolest look. The interior.

Yep. It's cool. And you can have aquaponics inside. And they have banana trees growing in the middle of New Mexico. And you can fish in your living room. That's the's why i've seen people do shit like that that's crazy yeah fish in your living room i mean you can have like your like aquaponics you know where your fish are and you can have your plants and stuff and the fish shit fertilizes your plants i've seen a lot of that yeah wow look at this crazy freaking house yeah look at that yeah and

they're built they're built into the ground, so they're really resistant. This house is dope. I want to move. Yeah. So we went to Indonesia and built one of these for like 30 days. And we did a whole YouTube little video on it and stuff. Just YouTube? It's crazy.

My Thug Diaries, I have a YouTube channel. I haven't done it in a while. What is it called uh thug diaries i have like a youtube channel i haven't done it in a while uh thug diaries thug rose how'd you get that name um you're such a nice person how can you get this thug name because i had to well so you know my ice cold stare like sarah non-yoana that's i've developed that long ago you know because i was never a witty person i never had like a good comeback for anything so i just had to beat people's ass like those making fun of me so i had to like scare them off like just be all serious so that's like kind of where it came from and uh uh my neighbor i had some jamaican neighbors that uh her name is uh erica gibbs and um she always used to be like

that's the girls right there it's like like, and I'd tell everybody, like, that's Doug Rose. You see her? She's crazy. Yeah, I know. I'm telling you, that was one of my fondest memories when DC was screaming that out. Yeah, that was fun. That was a pretty genuine moment, man. Oh, it was 100%.

And people gave him a hard time about that. I was like, dude, don't ever change that. That is one of the things that makes you amazing. Yeah. Like the fact that he's doing commentary, and it's like we're on a couch together. Yeah, yeah. Like we're watching the fight at doing commentary, and it's like we're on a couch together. Yeah, yeah. Like, we're watching the fight at home. He's like, Doug Rose!

Doug Rose! Right, right. And it was genuine happiness. Yeah. It was like he was enjoying that moment. It was animated. And it was so stunning and shocking, and that was his real, honest reaction to it. Right.

That was cool. I like DC. But, yeah, so that's why I feel like Stranded Conditioning, I think that was cool. I like DC. But yeah, so that's that's why I feel like strength and conditioning. I think that was the best like shoveling stuff, like picking up heavy buckets and tires and things like that. Like it made me feel like I was actually doing something rather than just like a hamster on a wheel. Just like, OK, I'm working out and I'm getting in better shape. But I feel like I could be actually doing something productive here and getting muscles too so to answer the question we don't really do

the strength and condition that we do isn't like was not weight lifting I mean sometimes you know if we feel like it but you know how do you know when to do it like say if you're in a camp like say like when do you know when you want to lift weights or something I mean it like for this last training

camp I barely lifted a weight. I don't think I did. We hardly ever do. We did. It's more like an off-season kind of thing for just like, oh, let's just go to 24

for fun. Walk around all day with a 40-pound weight vest on. Shadow boxing. Shadow boxing is the best workout you could possibly do. Really? Because I think people don't...

People practice hitting pads all the time, but if you don't ever practice missing a punch punch you will get tired like if you throw three punches and miss right uh you and you never practice that you'll be surprised at how tired you are yeah it is kind of incredible how tired you get missing things it doesn't make sense to people and if you watch people shadowbox even professionals they suck like it's like you know they just don't do it with no emotion, no visualizing somebody in front of you.

If you ever watch my old jiu-jitsu coach back in Minnesota, Greg Nelson, if you ever watch him shadow box, he's fighting people and killing people. You know who's got a great video on shadow boxing is Joseph Valtellini, former glory champion. He's got a whole series of things put up on his YouTube. He's got some great instructional YouTube videos, but one of the things that he went and talked about is that you should think of that

as like you're fighting. You should visualize like fighting and you're going through scenarios in your head. You're checking kicks and countering with right hands and delivering techniques. That's where a lot of people, I think they forget about the imagination part of shadow boxing. People, they leave that out.

They think, okay, stand there, throw some punches, throw some kicks, stretch my tricep twice, and then throw two more punches and move my head once, and that's it. They get bored with it. They're not actually visualizing someone in front of you throwing punches and kicks at you and fighting back. And they're not visualizing someone reacting to the punches that you're throwing and firing back and moving around. And when it comes to shadowboxing, that's what we really – that's strength and conditioning. Shadowboxing, 40-pound weight vest on, walk around all day. Don't even do anything.

We just stay home all day with the weight vest on. You do that? Yeah. Yeah. Go walk around the day. Don't even do anything. We just stay home all day with the weight vest on. You do that? Yeah. Yeah. Go walk around the dog park bike riding with the weight. Weight vest is nice. And we also saw some logs. What is so good about the weight vest?

It's like the hyperbaric. What was that thing that they used to get into? Dragon Ball Z? Hyperbolic time chamber. No. What was the gravity thing that they got into? Yeah. Well, that's just part of like, that's like, such a reoccurring theme in the Dragon Ball Z series is, like, just gravity training.

And, like, because once you take your weight vest off, you just feel lighter. You can breathe a lot easier. Wow. You can get accustomed to breathing with a weight vest just sitting on your shoulders all day and moving around with this thing. And it just strengthens you. And then when you take it off it's almost like as if you instantly feel the helium. Do you carry like backpacks and stuff

when you go hunting and stuff? Yeah. I have a pack that I wear that has a bolt on it for Olympic plates. It's called an Atlas Weight Trainer by a company called Outdoorsmans. They make it specifically so that people can train for hunting scenarios

where you have these heavy packs on, so you can put 90 pounds on your back with these plates, and it clamps down just like a regular barbell. It has a whole locking mechanism on. Right. But it's a real good backpack where it sits on your hips and connects in. Like stabilizing everything. And it's perfectly tuned into your, or padded right for your shoulders and everything. I mean, I'm not, like I said, I'm not trying to be, like, against strength and conditioning, but it's just whatever makes you happy.

Like, I don't feel happy doing strength and conditioning. Like, I want to do, like, yeah, have fun with it, too. Like, but I like manual labor. You know, I like digging holes. I like getting dirty. I like being outside kind of thing. So, but I used to power lift like before i got to colorado um you know so that was a great um thing for me at the time and i think it's just phases you know

you just do different things you always gotta change it up and like uh there's this where were you watching that one uh weightlifting documentary where he's like if you can't do a deadlift you know there's no point in living and it's like yes i mean deadlifts are the shit you know and squats and just like the basic you know like power lifting positions or like movements but overall i just like to like one training camp when i fought page i literally for a training condition or for a conditioning exercise i would chase my dog for like five five minute rounds because she's the fastest thing ever. I could chase her. So I couldn't catch her.

That's hilarious. That's a good way to do it. I mean, Rocky used to chase chickens, right? Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. I'm running. I run with my dog all the time.

It's fucking dogs are in shape, man. Bruh. Yeah. They don't get tired. No. We have videos of it. It's like that's getting ready for a fight what's she doing she's chasing the dog what else she's chasing the dog i mean it shouldn't be it shouldn't be a

miserable thing you know like like training camp should it should be hard work right but it should also be fun right you know like what what the hell am i doing if i'm not having a good time doing what i love to do like yeah just for money. Like, no, I want to make sure that I'm enjoying myself during these training camps and making sure that if I didn't have this fight, would I still be doing this kind of thing? I've always said that to someone that has asked, like, how do I get in shape? I said, well, if you take martial arts, the beautiful thing about it is you're getting in shape, but you're having fun. Yeah.

Like you're enjoying it. And then you don't even realize how hard the work is because you're having fun. And you're like getting a skill. Yes. You're getting a skill. You're thinking. It's like Gi Jiu Jitsu. This is me saying this.

Gi Jiu Jitsu is better than lifting weights in my opinion. How so? Because, man, just heavyweight with Gi, it's slow. So it's so much static holding. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it's so much static holding. I'm sure you're doing it right. It's hard. And I feel like when you get out of it, because it's a fun activity and because it's interesting

and it's not just 20. Now, I can hit a set of 100 curls right now. I like weights, but Gi Jiu-Jitsu has been just phenomenal, man. Just like the strength that you can get from that. If you're strong there, then you're strong a lot of other places. And when it comes to rows of conditioning, like rows, we practice functional things like punching harder, kicking harder. Grabbing the dummy and guillotining it, squeezing it for a 10-second hold and letting it go. Like a Bubba dummy? Yeah. Those sounds great. dummy and guillotining it, squeezing it for a 10-second hold and letting it go. And it's squeezing it again.

Yeah, like a Bubba dummy? Like one of those? Yeah. Those sounds great. Greg Nelson would walk around with a screamer stick on his arm. And he would just sit there and Kimura the stick over and over again against his forearm and just Kimura the stick over and over. Just to practice that technique.

We wondered why is this going on? But then if he grabs your arm, it's pretty hard to stop. He's actually the reason why my Kimura got so good. We would literally shrimp up and down the mat shadowing, shadow boxing, shadow grappling, like Kimuras.

Just over and over again. Greg's an underappreciated guy. He really is. Underappreciated guy in the world of martial arts. Very, very knowledgeable guy. Very nice guy, too. Very knowledgeable. That's one of the guys that, that for sure is one of the guys who you can ask a question about any type of technique or anything. And not only can he give you the answer, but he can give you the history behind it.

And he sits up, this dude is a martial artist like out of this world and he like it was it was it was a big deal bumping into him and then taking everything that we've

like that she's learned from him and then coming to Denver where where we met Tony Basile the three our grappling coach

and then he took everything that all of the the technical things that Rose learned and took that and it had some swagger to it took that to another level took like put some flavor things that rose learned and took that to some swagger to it took that to another level took like put some flavor in it man just took it to another level tony vingas like yeah it's just a good combination because yeah like greg knows

a very like like martial artist like very strict and tony's very like you know very creative and just does different movements and things that you haven't seen before. Well, I'd like you both to speak to that because it's very important to me, too. The coaches that you get, the martial arts instructors that you get, the people that you run into, they're so critical. It's so important and they should be praised. Like if you see a guy like Matt Hume who could create a Mighty Mouse, I mean, those people, they're so rare. It's like they're so valuable. And you got to get that connection with that coach. Right.

You know, like that's important, too. Yeah. You've got to find the right fit, find the compatibility. And so I think that's why you see some people bouncing around because it's just like they don't really vibe with this place. Or you don't vibe with the community, the town that you're in. You know, maybe you don't want to live in this city, and so you try out Denver for a little bit. Or maybe Milwaukee is your spot. You know, it's like, there's so many different alternatives and there's so many different styles that people have. Like for some people, you know,

American top team would be the spot for some people, you know, maybe they should try Montreal and go up to see for us a hobby. You know, it's just, we're, we're so fortunate now. I think that there's so many places to choose from where you can go to John Crutch down in Arizona you know you go to the lab you can go to you know Duke Rufus in Milwaukee you can go there's so many places now it's amazing

you just have to find your flavor like there's some places where you go there's some gyms that you go to and the training at the gym consists of who shows up to practice that day and it's just like alright everybody we're working on single legs and just go that you go to and the training at the gym consists of who shows up to practice that day. And it's just like, all right, everybody, we're working on single legs and just go and just fight. You know what I mean? That's the one thing I don't. You get better based on who showed up, like all your teammates that showed up.

And then there's the coaches where they're very one-on-one-ish, like the Matt Hume created Demetrius Johnson, like Trevor Whitman is good enough to take an individual and make them an individual versus, all right, everyone in the room, we're all going to throw this one jab and that's it. He's very, very specific. He can find what you're good at and help you become an individual, like I say, in the gym.

Yeah, and maybe his style is perfectly matched for you, but it might not be perfectly matched for somebody else. And it's such an interesting relationship between trainers and fighters. And what really bums me out is how sometimes fighters forget. They just forget what got them there. They forget. They think it's all about them. And it's such a selfish sport in a lot of ways because it's really only you in there. Yeah, I i mean they've

been in so many training camps like literally pat has a meniscus surgery that he needs to get fixed you know and it's like they go they beat up their bodies just as much as we do to to train with us and i especially in um in my situation where it is like fight handling and it is like very um one on one kind of a deal uh where it's not like i have hundreds of training partners and i go to this you know like att for example they have like hundreds of people there and um you know like i just have these guys so right yeah so it's good to appreciate your coaches it really is you know it really is it's um it's uh it's such an unusual relationship the relationship between a fighter and a coach.

Yeah. I mean, like, once I finally, you know, once I finally went through kind of just my different learning lessons, like, after I fought Caroline, I didn't have him in my corner. And, like, after, like, I realized that that was, you know, the missing link. And we, it's just something that I realized, you know, if I can't do it with these guys, I don't want to do it no more, you know, because it's just, it's all about being happy. It's all about what makes you happy. I mean, you ever notice how like kids never get tired or like, they can just run around in circles for forever. And it's because they're having fun doing it. And so that's the, that's where the training is based is like, whatever makes you happy. Now, when you look at your future and you say i'm the champ now

do you have a roadmap that you have like i want to retire in 10 years i want to get this i want to accomplish these things do you have anything like that or just yeah like i i like to have a plan and then if things change and you know that's, you kind of have to be able to adapt. I plan on not fighting longer than five years from now. Really? Yeah. How old are you now? 25.

So 30, that's a wrap. Yeah, I don't want to fight in my 30s. I mean, I could, you know, by the time that comes around, like time flies, like I could be three years old and be like, fuck that, I'm getting some more fights. Seven more fights. One more. But it's also, you have the potential to be a fucking huge star. Yeah.

I mean, I don't want to freak you out. Too late. You're a very unique person, and you're at this very strange time in history where I don't want to freak you out, but I think the sport needs someone like you. I really think you're a very unique individual, and I think that perspective can help a lot of people to recognize that there's a broad spectrum of people out there that are doing this. And that your genuine behavior and thought process and how in-depth your thought process is.

I think it's very important right now. I think it is important, especially for women, too, you know, because we have a tendency to be pretty catty and bitchy towards each other. And I think that if I can show an example to other women to be more loving to each other and not just, you know, woman to woman, but to each other, man or woman, I think it's important. And also the way you shave your head, you're wearing sweatpants. You don't give a fuck.

But you're still beautiful. I mean, that's important. And you're also a beautiful person, like your personality. And I think that that's that's so that's so needed right now. Thank you. There's always like like in time, there's always dark times and there's light times, there's dark times. And we've been in the world in general for the last few years has been kind of things have been kind of whack. People are wearing more sunglasses at night.

The fighters are getting more ridiculous. It's just. Yeah. And I feel like as if not that we've hit a seriously low point, but things have gotten pretty whack. And I have the feeling that after that performance, like after what she did and what she said, that that was like a spark of the beginning of things coming back up. Like just things being a little bit more, not so fucking ridiculous. Like I said, everybody's got their sunglasses on everybody's showing up with a leather jacket with no shirt on under it everybody's everybody's like

talking crazy shit and just being ridiculous man well connor kind of changed the game right we did i mean he kind of let everybody know how valuable shit talking is now Now everybody's going to be wearing these pants. Yeah. Well, I hope so. I mean, it seemed to me, I mean, this is just my take on it. I feel like the UFC missed out with Amanda Nunes. When they were marketing Ronda

Rousey for that fight, first of all, I was looking at it, I was like, this is all Ronda Rousey, and she is facing, in my opinion, the worst possible matchup. Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt who hits like a fucking truck. And a real tested warrior. Yeah, I knew that was scary. But they didn't promote her.

They didn't promote it. They promoted the Ronda Rousey thing, the Ronda Rousey comeback. And her walking around her mansion frowning like she's coming back. Like she's coming back to fight a fucking killer. Yeah. And why not promote the killer? Like this woman is murking people. Like look at what she did to Misha Tate.

Look at what she's doing to people. She's blasting people into orbit. And then she wins. And here you have this opportunity. You have the very first openly gay woman who is a mixed martial arts UFC champion. First one ever. Right. No big push.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that also could mean from what we've just discovered over the last three months, that could also be Amanda, though. Like, we left New York that night, and no one, we didn't talk, nothing was different for two months, bro. Yeah, but we created that ourselves. We did that. Shut the blinds. We went home, and we looked out the window for two months trying to figure out who's walking down the street.

I mean, we shut it down. They wanted Rose to instantly go on a victory tour across New York. They wanted us to stay in New York. Like, after that whole week in New York, after the fight, they said, we want you to stay in New York to go on a victory tour. And I was like, no way. Absolutely not. We have to go. We have to leave. Not to go we have to leave

not only do we have to leave we're leaving right now but did you think that there was some benefit in doing a victory tour of doing a bunch of different television shows yeah I don't know I feel like I might have like I don't know what I would have even said like in interviews at that time because it's just like still processing

that wouldn't have been a good time but I think that's one of the things that people would like to see you try to process it. Yeah, I know. Like a guinea pig. People were going to see Rose do this. But I honestly think in that circumstance, it's critical who you talk to. Because you could be talking

to some fucking normal morning show dummy and they don't give a shit about the sport. They're going to ask you stupid questions. You're only on for five minutes. You like well you know hey it all worked out hey what's up mom you know you wave at the camera i think but looking back in hindsight i wish i could have like uh took it in a little bit more but it was kind of like okay next fight like you know i mean it's just like everything is just and we're like okay let's get out of here like as soon as the fight happened we we all we all, we shook hands, and we said, everybody be

cool. We just got to get the fuck, we just got to get home. I got to say, I like that too, though. Yeah. I like that approach too. I like that you just get the fuck out of Dodge. Hey, like, so in our entire relationship, like, Pat has had to learn this over time, that like, if I get

the instinct to, we need to bust out, like, I, you have to listen to me. Like, now's the time to go. You know, like, I'll just get this feeling. I'm like, something will happen, like, as soon as we're leaving. Multiple occurrences where Rose's intuition has been spot on. Hey, yo, we got to get the fuck out of here right now. And we're like, all right, cool.

So, like, there's no question. Now there's no question anymore. If Rose said right now we out, we drop. Don't. We really, we call it, everybody knows it's a countdown. Rose said let's bounce 10, 9, and we're gonna launch. The last time she did this,

we, we gotta get the fuck out of here. We were leaving, this was one of the first times we had gone out to a nightclub in five years. We need to go out for three years, and then eventually Valentina won her fight in Denver, so we're like, we're going out tonight. We're going to go out tonight.

You want to do it? You sure we're going to do it? And we went out to it. It was fun. And we danced. And for years, we haven't gone down anything like this. And we danced. It was great.

And everybody had a great time. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 1231, Rose says, yo, let's get the fuck out of here. And the crowd changed. It's instant. It's the instant change of the feeling around 1 o'clock or something. I said, look, we got to get the fuck out of here. And within a minute, we's instant. It's the instant change of the feeling around one o'clock or something. I said, look, we got to get the fuck

out of here. And within a minute, we had eight people. We were grabbing people coming with us. Let's go. Let's go. You're from the gym.

How are you getting home and coming with us? Like, to get in the van and we walked through the club, down the stairs, past this really big guy

that was by the front door arguing with the security guy, right past, excuse me, sir, right past him. And as soon as we got past him, he started shooting everybody. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

He just started shooting everybody. What? It's been instances like this. And you were there while the gun was going off? Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. And then not only that, but we got in the van and everybody fucking don't move. The dude, he walked to the car that was parked right in front of us. We were parked.

This chick, we're in the van. This chick runs up to the car that was parked right in front of us. Like, we were parked. Like, this chick, we're in the van. This chick runs up to the door. She's scrambling, trying to get in. This guy's casually walking. We don't know what's going on. He's just casually walking around. We just see this guy. He opens up the door, pulls the gun out, shoots.

Shoots her? No, no, no. No, no. She was with him. She was with him. She was getting in the car. He was having an argument with the doorman, I think. Because they weren't letting him in or something like that.

So he just started shooting. Pow, pow, pow, pow. And then he walked to his car. And then when he got in his car, he said, huh, huh? Put the gun up again. They hit him with a toot-toosh. And then got in the car and they just casually drove off. Right while we're sitting in the van.

Yeah, we're on this like, yeah. Like, I will call it instantly. So you just think you have very good intuition. Yeah, because I've just seen stuff like that you know like i i will i just can feel the energy of a room like change like um you know when i was a kid and we was just playing basketball and and it's like it's weird how nobody else will pick up on it like except for myself you know um in those situations like i was playing basketball with my friends and then like down the street I thought I heard something in the distance that like you know just people talking but it or some

like people making noises but I didn't you know there's there's always noise we're in the middle of the city you know but for some reason my attention was brought to this noise like it's something's wrong so I look and I'm like and I think I see some people wrestling over there or something and you know my friends are like oh no that's probably they're probably cool what are you talking about and I was like I'm gonna go over there or something. And, you know, my friends were like, oh, no, they're probably cool. What are you talking about? And I was like, I'm going to go over there and check it out. And so I, you know, run across the street a couple blocks down, and then, like, all of a sudden I see a guy have a knife.

He stabs him, you know, and then he falls down. And he, like, turns towards me, and then I'm like, oh, shit, you know. And then I realized that my little, like, dude that I would, like, help raise, like, as a kid, because he was, like, young as well as myself, his name was Matthew. And then I saw him follow me over here. And so I thought it was the only one. So I was like, oh, shit, Matthew, go home. You know, like, so we had to run.

And then he ended up just driving off or whatever. I don't know if they found the guy or whatever, but. Rosa said shit like we're on the highway driving on a road trip. She said, get off right here. Like, just quick. Get off right here. Go to start getting off. And the car flips over. guy or whatever but um rosa said shit like we're on the highway driving on a road trip she's like get off right here like just quick get off right here oh go to start getting off and the car flips over it's spooky i don't question it i don't question it anymore and then it's like you know just like the whole thing with the with the truck driving accident like that type of stuff like it just seems like i don't know like like that's why i always believed in the fact that if you're

delayed or you're late for something it's for a reason you know and so That's why I always believed in the fact that if you're delayed or you're late for something, it's for a reason. So that's why the week of the fight I was getting nervous because it was like, we're going to get there late and things are starting to go wrong already. And then once we landed, I kind of put the pieces together. Like, oh, yeah, that's why everything happens for a reason. So do you you

always feel like you're kind of tuned into something that other people aren't tuned into um it depends on where i'm at my life like sometimes if i'm if i'm living the right way if i'm healthy if i'm like you know in shape or if i'm you know spiritually right yeah like you're tuned in that way that you're not troubled and when you're troubled like if i'm surrounding myself if i'm making the wrong choices if I'm surrounding myself, if I'm making the wrong choices, if I'm surrounding myself around like, you know, just evil and stuff. Like if I'm or just just like the wrong people, you're troubled. Yeah. Then I won't have like you're confused.

And yeah, then it's hard to make clear decisions or like. Yeah. Or to have good intuition. Yeah. Yeah. Or to have good intuition. So if you're free of any regret or remorse of your own actions, more clearly you can discern what's going on in your environment. Right, and that's why I say like... Very, very, very super observant.

I mean, just coming up with the... And it's almost like, I would say, just from the stories that I've heard of growing up in the past, because of those experiences, she got a really good at scoping out of room. You know what I mean? It's really hard to sneak up on Rose. She sees you coming from two days ago. She's very observant.

Let's say that. And in a way, because of, because of growing up, it's, it's a skill that had to be developed. You know, you snuck up on me once, it'll never happen again. And like, we even like as kids, like, you know, people that I used to like hang out with on the, uh, in my neighborhood, we would like help each other out. Like we would teach each other, like, yeah, don't go down that place or don't hang out over there. Cause somebody got shot over there or like you know like if the same car like circles around this block too many times like go inside you know right how hard is it to watch each other fight not when he was fighting it was pretty hard for me but then when i was actually there when

he had a kickboxing fight and i was actually able to be in his corner, I felt a lot better. But being away at home, that was difficult for me. And also because she knew internally I wasn't ready. Yeah. Well, I guess not all the time. That's also the big part of it. Like I could have been more ready for the majority of the fights that Rose was around for. What was wrong?

With me? Yeah. the fights that Rose was around for. And what was wrong? With me? Yeah. I mean, just fighting for the wrong reasons and just not necessarily going about it in the healthiest way. I mean, I had a prescription pill problem.

Whiskey was delicious. I mean, just living not the healthiest life and not the best life. Like I said, I was doing it for the wrong reasons. Like there was a – when Rose and I met, I said, you are good enough to be a world champion. You're good enough to be the best in the world, and this is something that you really want to do. I'll make sure you never have to have a job. All you have to do is train.

If this is something that you really want to do, I'll make sure you never have to work a day in your life. All you have to do is train and be a fighter, and that's it. As soon as that started, I caught myself getting into fights asking, how much does this one pay? 25 and 25? All right, cool. I can do some math on it.

If I win, it doesn't matter. If I lose, all right, cool. Just get into the fight. You lost. I don't give a fuck how much. I find myself uncontrollably getting into that scenario. Now, the kickboxing message was that I was ready for that. I actually was past all that shitty she was at, I was ready for that. Like, I actually was

past all that shitty decision making that I was making and was actually prepped for that one. But there were other times where, whether it be conscious or not, subconsciously there was somewhere inside of, I would guess, the mind where we both knew

that I wasn't, I hadn't done. I'm supposed to do 10, but no one's looking. So I only did eight and I just didn't say anything. You know what I mean? Like that, that type of thing. Do you have regret? No, no, no, no, no, never. And the reason why is because if I go back and change anything, I won't be sitting here talking to you right now. You know what I mean? Like every decision that I've made, every life experience that I've had, dad passing away when I was a kid, having to do all these different, like all of the decisions that I've made and all of the trials and tribulations that I've been through have been exactly why I'm sitting here right now with a beautiful woman right next to me who happens to be a world champion talking to Joe Rogan. And, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons from his mistakes, you know, and his successes as well as well you know just watching him um yeah it goes

through all that it's it's helped me a lot yeah no regrets it's almost like i've been able to experiment with having a ufc career but not actually having to like do it you know like living vicariously through him and then now i can know what i can do it's like doing it all over again when did you decide to stop pat i? Still not. You're still not? No, no. I'm never going to... This doesn't have to be a belief that everybody believes in, but

I believe that if you're a fighter, you don't really retire. You never really retire until people just stop giving you fights. I'm never going to want to stop. I'm always going to want to fight. Always. Always, always, always. When was the last time you fought?

Man. Two years ago? It's been a while. Was it in Glory? No, this was like Legacy. No, Legacy. I think I fought Demario Dennis was maybe my last fight,

last kickboxing match, I think. I think that was like two years ago. But I still want to fight now. I have a lateral meniscus tear that I would like to get. I need for just my own happiness and for Rose's training camp, I need to get done with. Take care of that because that puts a lot of hindrance on training. After all these years, as soon as the knee starts feeling weird, I automatically just take it easy and just don't fuck with it too much. Is it a tear that can be fixed with stem cells or is it something that has to be done with a scope?

I think it needs a scope. We are just finding out about stem cells. That was the question I was going to ask you. How do you feel about that? Like, you know, what you told me before. I'm a big believer in it. Yeah. I'm sure.

It does some pretty miraculous shit if you use it correctly and you get a good doctor yeah so I'm looking for do you know Dr. Davidson from the UFC yes

yeah talk to him about it he's who I talk to I called him kind of in a we have 11 we're 11 weeks out from the fight

I would like to call myself one of Rose's main training partners and it would be cool if I can get this need taken care of either this week or next week at the latest so I can have the few weeks off of recovery and still have seven weeks left to attack Rose every day. You know what I mean? Like in order for us to do that.

But do I want to fight again? Yeah. Absolutely. I'm always going to want to fight. I got to fight over yesterday. I'm going to say hell no. You got to fight over yesterday. You said hell no.

No, not hell no. Because I. I'm going to say hell no. You got to fight all for yesterday. You said hell no. No, not hell no, but because I. Will I fight again? No idea. Rose is the star of the show. Not for pennies, though. You know, like, it has to be, like, the right thing. You know, like, it has to be. I got off for the fight against Pedro Hizzo.

Whoa. Pedro Hizzo's still around. I think it was going to be, like, on a Sunday at the county fair or something like that. Pedro Hizzo, man. I think it was going to be like on a Sunday at the county fair or something like that Pedro Izzo man he's a guy who's been around a long time he's been in some wars a long time but I got offered that and I said no thank you but I mean

I'm still getting the calls every once in a while not as much as possible why'd you say no thank you because it was a bad offer no no no well I don't know. Not good timing. And this is an MMA fight or a kickboxing fight?

Man, I think it was going to be a kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, I think. I don't know. But I also had another fight with Eric Prendle. It was supposed to be November 18th. That was a kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, I think, and that one got postponed, which was completely great. Like, Rose is the shit. I'm not getting in the way of that.

Like, Rose is fucking rolling right now. I'm embracing the role of a coach and team leader now, not being the athlete anymore. And I get it. I know I'm 38 now, whatever the fuck's going on with me, which things are a lot better now. I'm healthy and everything's great. But Rose is where it's at.

Like, that's where my time and attention has been since we met. Like, since we met, and it's still going to be that way. Roses, I'm going to... I said when we met I was going to make it a point. You have what it takes to be the best. I'm going to make sure of it. That's the role that I like.

That's the role that I like now. It's a lot more comfortable now. Oven baked pizza every fucking night. I love it. It's more comfortable now for me to do that. Now, at the exact same time, it drives me crazy that I'm not fighting. You just got to have a good purpose behind what you're doing. You know, that's just like the bottom line. You know, whatever you want to do, you can do anything that you want to do.

But what's your reasoning? Right. And for me at this point is to change the world. i know it's a freaking reasoning is to change the world yeah really yeah how so this is like my this is the my best uh skill and my bet like the thing that i can do the best and i think it it reaches a lot of a big audience um and I can get my message across. Yeah. And, you know, like you were saying, like just setting a better example, trying to change the way people think. Or at least just offering a different perspective. You don't got to think like me. You know, I'm.

But this is an active idea. Yeah. It's in your head. Like while you're training, while you're doing media, media you're thinking i have a chance to change the world i want to um build an urban farm in my community and i want to make it available for like other people that because the way that i grew up i wish there was like an urban farm where i could learn how to grow my own food and i could get my own food that was not from the grocery store you know um and so i want to provide that for other

people and you know fighting is the best the quickest way i can do that i think you know and there's other ways you know like positive influence on someone yeah for example um i started getting into like some cryptocurrencies and stuff and um there's this thing called evergreen coin that's just like you know one of the alt coins or whatever. I don't know. It's still pretty small or whatever, but it's a sustainable cryptocurrency that doesn't use as much electricity. And it kind of goes into every kind of philosophy that I agree upon. You know, it falls in line with my beliefs. And there's just a lot of aspects about it that I really like. And so that's something that you get.

It's good for charities. So if you hold some evergreen coin, you can get some stock in it. I mean, I sound kind of stupid trying to recite all this information. But yeah, you can generate money with it, and then you can donate it to charity, and it works that way. generate money with it and then you can donate it to charity and it works that way so these are just a bunch of different things that you would like to let people know about and help people understand yeah and i'm still formulating these ideas you know obviously like because i mean fighting takes up like all your time you know but i like to think about these things and i think it just you know over time it's just kind of kind of falling in place you know just doing things like you know the Indonesia earth trip trip and like just doing

different stuff that I can um build skills for later and you're gonna do more of this on your youtube channel yeah I'm trying to I'm trying to um I've been trying to now as a champ it seems like a great idea yeah yeah I've been trying to put together the next episode I have a whole bunch of footage but um so like sorry guys it seems like somebody would idea. Yeah, yeah. I've been trying to put together the next episode. I have a whole bunch of footage, but, so, like, sorry, guys. It seems like somebody would want to get involved, like some sort of a production company

or something. I mean, it seems like a no-brainer to me. Yeah, I've got a camera guy, Austin Erickson, who, you know, he does a great job, and it's just been

kind of a rollercoaster, you know, all this traveling or just, you know, trying to get things together, get my shit together, basically. We also had to shut it down and put it on pause after the michelle fight yeah like after the michelle watterson fight however long ago that was as soon as that was over with we knew joanna was next and it

everything stopped social media kind of just i got off of like that for a little while and not off of it completely but just trying to like minimize it and Why is that? Well, I think it, you know, I don't know. It's the most addictive drug, you know, like just being on your phone. And you just fill your head up with just, like, a whole bunch of information that, like, when you're focused on just this one person, like, to defeat this person, this one mission, it's hard to, you know, like, you only have so much room in your head for that kind of stuff. And also because we knew Joanna was checking her Instagram every day. Yeah, it would drive her nuts. It would drive her crazy to not post anything or be seen anywhere. Like it's, it's, it's.

She even said in an interview, she's like, she don't want to do social media. So I was like, like, I mean, like, why does it bother you? Like, I don't understand. Because she couldn't see you. She had no idea what you looked like. She didn't see you training. She didn't see you doing any of that stuff. In her defense, probably she had pay-per-view points.

To sell the fight. She had a great reasoning to do it, but part of the strategy going into this fight was to ghost Ioana. That was a big part of this game plan was to ghost her no matter what she says no matter what she does and we knew that it was going to come in levels she's going to say this then she's going to say this then she's going to say this then she's going to talk about your dog like it's just gonna it's gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger and she might even we even knew she's gonna touch you she's gonna push you she's gonna touch you when She's going to push you. She's going to touch you. When she does, don't move.

Don't react. Give her nothing. Give her nothing. And it worked. Now she knows, though. So I have a strategy. I'm going to come at her and I'm going to be stone-faced. She's going to be mega-boogie.

I don't believe in, you know, like, I mean. I'm going to put a hex on her. Right, right, yeah. She's coming. Mega-boogie's coming. She's going to be mega-bo her. Right, right, yeah. She's coming. Mega boogie's coming. Yeah, it's going to be exciting. She's going to be mega boogie. I love it. I don't hate on her for doing what she's doing.

It's kind of silly to me, but... No, that's to you, but it works. But it was great. It worked for everybody. Without her and without my contrasting personality, that fight wouldn't have been nearly as exciting as it was. Right. So I need her, and that's why I think i like to get people to understand like other fighters

like you need your opponent just as much as you need your training partners and your teammates and your coaches you know like it's your dancing partner like it's the show you know and it's also but it's real too you know yeah it's also what gets you up. Yeah. It gets you fired up. I mean, to fight a woman that's that dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yo, yo, hey, hey, yo. So she told Rose some crazy, like, okay, so all week shit was going on.

We missed the car accident. We missed the Antifa thing happened right in front of us. We got down to the locker room and they gave Rose the wrong gloves and didn't want to give her the right gloves. Like, they gave her the wrong gloves. What do you mean by the wrong gloves? I need, like, a Bantamweight size glove, and they gave me a strawweight. They gave you a strawweight glove. And I said it specifically beforehand.

Because you have larger hands. Yeah. Yeah. She's got broken fingers. This is what's going on. No, I do it. These are piano playing hands. So we also got to the arena late.

Like, usually you get to the arena, and you have three hours. Right, but you were just going to say something. You stopped yourself. She said something to Rose? Yeah, that's what we get to. We got to the arena late. They gave her the wrong gloves. They played the wrong walkout music. What was the walkout music? I have no idea. It was something terrible. It made me so

mad. What were you supposed to come out to? Well, so originally, what was it? Sweet Freedom. Yeah. I switched it to that. All week long, I was like, because I wanted something uplifting, something happy, you know? And that was something that we had been jamming out to for like a few weeks or whatever.

And the whole week, I've been telling Pam, I can't wait until they play my walkout song. It's just all I care about. They fucked you with the wrong song. Yeah. So I was like, fuck everybody in the arena. What was the song that you actually came out to?

Do you know? I have no idea. It was like some Oasis or something. I don't know. Did someone make a decision or did they fuck up? Don't know.

I try, I think somebody told me that there was a mistake of some sort. Somebody fucked up and they kept playing the wrong song. Some dickhead who loves Oasis.

I want to hear what I want to hear, man. Right. I mean, it's just such a contrasting style of music. I don't even know how you can make that mistake. It turned out to be the best part of the week. Actually, it was the best part of the week because by the time that happened, it was like, ah, fuck it. Ah, fuck it, everything, man. Just fuck it, man.

It's crazy. Yeah. What were you going to say that she said? Ioana, before the fight, came, like, doing the USADA drug test thing. Rose was walking back through the hallway with her official, and she crossed paths with Ioana. And all by herself. And Ioana, go ahead. Oh, yeah.

She, like, in a different tone of voice to like the weirdest like she doesn't seem like herself for a second i mean i'm sure she's getting in fight mode or whatever and she's like breaking in her clothes and she's like and i gave her like the what's up you know and she gave me what's up and then she was like um she's like i think she asked me something like did you buy the ticket or i was like what she's like do you believe him or do you believe in him or something like that do you believe him did you buy the ticket or I was like what she's like do you believe him or do you believe in him or something like that do you believe him did you buy the ticket yeah and then she walked off and didn't say no and I was just like what it was like did you believe him did you buy the she's like Kaiser

Sosa yeah she's giving you some fucking riddles yeah she's trying to do that like all week long like even in the weigh-in you know after the weigh-ins and stuff like all kinds of stuff weird mind fucking shit right yo man rose came back to the locker room now we're ready all week we've been deflecting shit we've been deflecting shit now rose is a very emotional person and temper like she's we got to keep rose keep rose straight because she comes in with the wrong look on her face uh-oh something's wrong she goes off and does the drug test and comes back and when she down, she sits down and says, we have to have a meeting. Now that's code.

We have to have a meeting is code for shut it down. Everybody get the fuck out. We're bouncing. We have to have a meeting is like kind of another way of saying, start the countdown, we're leaving. We have to have a meeting. And when she said that, the way she said it, everything came over me like, oh fuck, what happened?

And then when she said what Ioana said in the back back, what Joanna told her, do you believe him? Did you buy the ticket? And then left without any explanation. Yo, when Rose said that to me, my fucking head exploded. And the only thing I could say was, oh, shit, I don't want to have to fucking think about this all night. That's literally what he said. I was like, oh, dang, she fucked you too? Oh, fuck. Damn. Yo, man, we've deflected everything. that's literally what he said I was like oh dang she fucked you too oh fuck

damn yo man we've deflected everything since she is a Jedi master at what she does like she's she's the shit

you know she's been a multiple time world Muay Thai champion and she just knows how to fuck with people yeah bro we deflected everything we deflected

the knuckles in the mouth and the crazy shit that she was saying everything and if she came and said that one we got back to we spent a good five minutes which by the way our ticket is what We deflected the knuckles in the mouth and the crazy shit that she was saying. Everything. And if she came and said that one, we got back to it. We spent a good five minutes. Which, by the way, our ticket is what maybe she was like, maybe she delayed our plane or something.

Just like making all these conspiracies in our head. For a good three, four minutes, for three or four minutes, Trevor, Tony, Rose, and I all sat in the locker room. It was like silent. Like, what the fuck? Uh-oh. Because that was the little thing that could have fucked everything up. Because I know I was sitting there like, what does that mean?

What does that mean? Did you buy the ticket? Because she says, do you believe him? But you had to know it was horse shit, right? You had to know what she was doing. Right, yeah. Honestly, in any other circumstance. It's just in that moment. In any other circumstance. But you had to know was horseshit right you had to know what she was doing

Like if you ran into someone at the fucking 7-eleven and they said something like crazy asshole She said it with a calm voice No accent no accent just said it just said it real calm calm. Like to the point where there's even a chance, and I think this one, there's even a chance you want to, no recollection of that. What? I don't know, man. I was just like, bro, roses be spooky sometimes, man. Like, so there's a chance that like, just with the way the whole week went, that maybe that was, let's say God or a higher being or something like that.

Maybe that was the last test. Do you fucking believe him? Did you buy the ticket and then just walked off? That was a test of whether or not, are we going to get all the way down to right here and you're going to be fucked in the head now? Now this is after the fact, remastering the system. This is after the fact, remastering the system. Which, by the way, like in the moment, something inside of me, I was like, I don't know what she's talking about, but just gave her the thumbs up. Like, yeah, motherfucker, I believe in him.

Like, yeah, I don't know why. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, I bought all the tickets. I bought all the tickets, bitch. Woo! I just won. Yeah.

Hey, yo, man. I don't know We were in the locker room And really Rose had to get up To go and do something Over there And when she got up over there I turned to Trevor and Tony

And said hey yo We in some Oh fuck Oh fuck That is so crazy Oh fuck That one little silly thing When she was just

Trying to fuck with your head Right That actually works Got it Right For about three minutes We were fucked up That's amazing

Isn't it amazing That shit like that works Yeah That just like a little mind fuck Yeah What What Yeah How What ticket Got it. For about three minutes, we were fucked up. Isn't it amazing that shit like that works? Yeah. They're just like a little mind fuck. Yeah. What? What?

Yeah. How? What ticket? I mean, because it's like. Who am I believing? Right, right. Yeah. She's a wizard.

Yeah. Hey, when she came back and said that shit, I sat there and started thinking, I was like, what did I do? Now, do you think at all about, you don't think at all about doing that back to her. I mean, you just fucked her up in the first round. Right. So, do you say that to her? I think I did her i mean you just fucked her up in the first round so like what do you say that i think i did like i did fuck her up in the head though you definitely did you fucked me up and i was about to interview you i'm like she's got this thousand yard stare she's yeah and i was like what were you saying you're like i was saying

the lord's prayer i was like oh jesus christ right it was like the devil and a priest it was like the two of you together it was like you were doing like an exorcist and she was like the devil and a priest. It was like the two of you together. It was like you were doing like an exorcist. And she was like saying she was the boogie woman. It was one of my favorite stare downs and just the build up. The way you handled it was very interesting because most people handled it. They'd get in her face too. Fuck you, bitch. And now she wins.

And then Claudia and her would get together. And I think that emotional, like the conflict and all the extra energy that's involved in that, like it fucks with people's heads. Right, right. And that's what she's looking for. I think over Ioana's career, she came in as the silent killer

who was destroying everybody. And then she found out that if I start talking shit to someone, they get fucked in the head before the fight even happens. And then it worked and it worked and it worked. So it got to the point

where she's that, that, that almost, that, that, that one weapon right there almost replaced some of the ferociousness in in her fighting maybe yeah like like knowing that and that why is also why the game plan was was to go see iwana no matter what happens like we know that she needs a reaction. She's looking for something. No pictures, no videos, no social media, no interviews, no nothing. And when she says something, don't even look at her.

Just, like, she doesn't exist. Just ghost her. Ghost her the entire time. Because we know for a fact that even before we were signed up to fight, she was thinking about me. You know, like, she knew. I was on the radar for a long time. Yeah, of course. You had to be.

I mean, there's a handful of contenders in the strawweight division, and you were at the top of the heap, and especially after you beat Michelle. Yeah. Yeah. That's how we knew it. So no social media, no nothing. We just went with it. And it just feels better, you know, like not having to do all that.

Oh, yeah. But, I mean, it's fun. But does USC put pressure on you to try to do that kind of shit? No. do all that, you know? Oh, yeah. But, I mean, it's fun. But does USC put pressure on you to try to do that kind of shit?

No. They did, but we so honestly said not this time that they just understood. Yeah. We very honestly said that's not going to work out for us. We need to prepare for this fight, and we need to be all the way ready. Now, of course, there's some interviews that need to be done, but the other little things, like how come you're not posting about it, how come you're not retweeting this picture, it's like, nope. You know what would be hilarious?

If you did a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with the fight, almost like you're not even fighting. Right, right. It's like, I just found a cool Indian restaurant. Yeah, yeah, I know. Seriously. Oh, I love this movie. It's hilarious.

Yeah, yeah. Right, right. No pad hitting. Yeah. No shit talking. No motivational speeches. I mean, because really, like, I think you should, like, show other sides of you other than just, like, I get kind of just bored just posting another group picture, another, like, oh,

this is what I'm eating today or you know like this is my workout today i don't know i mean some of the workouts is definitely to be watched like we got some cool footage uh hiding away but yeah but everybody after the fight do you do you post that stuff after the fight or do you think that any of the stuff that you post like on workout footage training footage especially like working on technique do you think that in any way that helps people read you? I don't know, because it's totally different standing across from me in the ring. You know what I mean? Like, I could train.

I mean, I train with Tisha Torres, you know, like, and we fought each other. We've lived in the same house together, like, for multiple weeks, you know, and I'll still fight her again. You know what I mean? So it's, like, it's not, it's, you can't, I mean, there's things you can pick up, yeah, but I'm going to change it up on you. I always got another ace in my pocket you know yeah I like to I don't I don't want to keep everything to myself you know like I said you want to give you know sure and training the it's so it's so it's so it's so barely different but but it is still

different how you can train together all day and night, but when the bell rings for a fight, it's totally different. That's true. You ever hear stories of Clay Guida

in the gym and at practice, he can't, we've been hearing for years that Clay Guida just gets thrown around at the gym all day and night, but when he gets in the ring,

he can fight like a monster. Like, they can train together all day and night, but when it comes fight time, it's just different. I'm just confident in my ability that I'm really good at what when it comes to fight time, it's just different. I'm just confident in my ability that I'm really good at what I do. And it makes it more fun to share it with people.

But I don't want to give all my secrets away. You have to keep making up new ones. Well, listen, Rose, I'm happy you're out there because you're a lot of fun. Thank you. I really enjoy calling your fights, and I really did enjoy the whole week, all the press conferences and your behavior. And I think to this day, like I said, after your fight, that post-fight speech is one of my all-time favorites.

Yeah, thank you. It was awesome, and it was very genuine. And I think you guys have an awesome relationship. It's very cool. It's very cool to see you guys and how much he cares about you and the way you guys work together. It's fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah.

Hopefully we can maybe not make the Mona Lisa again, but, you know, make the Picasso. We called Dana White and told him after the, when they were asking for the next fight, they were trying to get us on the contract. We told him that she won the belt, so we were going to start a family. Yeah, she won the belt, so we're going to start a family. She won the belt, so we're going to start a family. Come back in a few years.

What did he say? They didn't like that at all. What the fuck? He's like, nah, man, just kidding. Just start a family. April 7th, pay-per-view. I'm going to be there, and I can't wait. Thank you, Pat Berry.

Thank you, Rose. Thank you. Thug Rose! Yeah! Thank you, Pat Berry. Thank you, Rose. Thank you. Thug Rose! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man.