The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #130 with Will Harris

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

Joe is joined by documentarian Will Harris, creator of the popular YouTube combat sports documentary series "Anatomy Of A Fighter." www.willharrisproductions.com

the Joe Rogan experience three years later and thicker hair than ever thicker than ever maybe maybe maybe that's how you intro with the beard right now three years later Joe yeah with that. Three years later, Joe. Yeah, three years later. Yeah, man. You're the best, man. Nobody makes better MMA documentaries and films than you.

You are the best. I appreciate that. You're the best. You get deep into it. You fucking cover everything. It's like the shots you choose. It's everything. More work to do, though.

You're the best at it. More work to do. More work to do, but you're the best at it, man. Your shit's the most compelling. Well, you know, like looking back on the journey now, because it's like the five-year anniversary of just creating Anatomy of a Fighter, my vision for it was always to humanize fighters. That's all it was.

It was, you know, before I spent a year around fighters before I decided to channel, you know, I used to hang out with Kamal and them when they were 40,000 followers on Instagram. Nobody knew who they was. And to me, I just found that weird that it was no content on these guys that were the best athletes in the world, like the way I would want to see it. Obviously, the promotions always do their little pieces on fighters and promotional packs and stuff like that, but it wasn't an ongoing series like HBO 24-7 with boxers. And I was just like, you know what? I'll do it.

And basically, I just put all my eggs in one basket. I didn't think I'd be around fighting this long, but after a few years into it, I was like, fuck it. I was meant to do this and i'm happy that i'm still here i remember when we was on here last time he was just like figure it out just keep doing it yeah growing up keep growing it and here we are well there's such a there's such an opening for that because they're the most interesting athletes because it's such a difficult thing to do emotionally psychologically there's so

much involved in it and then when you see behind the scenes the struggle with weight cut dealing with injuries dealing with you know training scenarios and coaching and all the shit they have to go through to get just to get to the cage and have the cage door shut is a fucking miracle when you think about what they have to go through in training, I mean, everything you do is designed to break a body. And then you have to practice that. So you're practicing wrestling. That breaks bodies. Kicking, that breaks bodies. Punching breaks bodies.

Elbows, knees, all that shit. And then you're scrambling. You're always, like, in the risk of injury. And then you've got to dehydrate the fuck out of yourself to make weight. Well, it's what Kamal said on this podcast that went so viral about it. It was a relief because every single day he woke up, it was this streak, this Anderson Silva streak.

It was this pound for pound number one, the champion, everybody gunning for you. And I think me being able to talk to him every day, I see the pressures that he has. I see people asking him for money and needing him for this and needing him for that. I don't know if you want me to say this, but basically he was just like, after he lost, even some of the sponsors are not around no more. Which is crazy. It's just crazy. Which is crazy. He's still the number four pound-for-pound fighter in the world.

He was just dominating the fight. You got head kicked, lost in the last minute. And now fighters is like, oh, we got a new champion. Let's go over here. All those sponsors can go fuck themselves. If you would drop Kamaru Usman because of one kick knockout in a sport where— that's like dropping LeBron if someone dunked on him. Like, no, it's over.

What are you talking about? Like this is what the sport is that is the consequences and that those consequences are available even to the greatest champions If you get head kicked, that's it That's the button you get head kicked by Leon Edwards That's the button and everybody would go I would go you would go you get head kicked. That's just it. It was clean There's no surviving that. That's how it is. That's the sport. It was like I remember being in the locker room, and I put my camera down

because I was like shooting subtle shots of the screen. You know, you can't really film the screen like that. The UFC won't let you do that, copyright reasons, but just a little bit. I remember it was a minute left. I remember when Herb Dean separated him with two minutes left I had filmed that and put it in the video that I put out I put the camera down I was like finna go to the bathroom soon as I put the camera down I was just looking at the screen he got head kicked it was like seeing somebody get shot like like I've unfortunately seen somebody get shot and killed before.

So, like, he had his photographer in there as well, Patty Cutts. And I turned around and looked at him, and he was just floored. And I was just like, this ain't real. Like, no, that didn't happen. And I'm sitting there looking at Kamaru, and 10 seconds later, he's moving. And I'm, like, seeing Leon run around in cage and I'm like did my boys just lose like he just got knocked out head kick cold so you missed the kick itself I saw it no I put the camera down and you saw it and I and I was literally about to go to the bathroom it didn't seem real yeah I didn't it was it's equivalent like how numb my body was it's like seeing somebody get shot

When Mike Tyson got knocked out When he fought Buster Douglas People had the exact same feeling Like there's no way that happened Like you don't believe it You don't believe it Like this is what always happens Kamara wins

He goes in there, he stomps everybody, he wins I feel like I always said this I saw Khabib two weeks ago in Dubai. I was in Dubai. And I told him, I said, that's the only way I saw you or Kamara losing. That was the way Khabib was going to lose too. If Khabib would have ever lost, he wasn't getting choked out. He wasn't getting dominated.

Somebody was going to catch him, and he was going to be out like that. Speaking of Tyson, that's one of my first memories of fighting. Like I was living in Carbondale, Illinois. And when that happened, I was a kid and I saw grown men crying in the living room. Wow. Grown men. I saw grown men crying. Only other time I saw grown men crying like that, especially black men, was when Tupac died.

And I was with grown men in the car and he was listening to All Eyes On Me and they were just crying. And I was just like, this is crazy. Like for someone to have that type of impact on you to where it's that shocking that somebody could lose their life. It is amazing when someone becomes like a cultural icon and then they're gone. Same with Biggie. He was gone. It was like, he's gone? That's it? But think about your life at 25. He was 25. That's crazy. He just turned 25, June. So think about that.

Did you ever see him when he was 17 on the street corner? You ever see Biggie rapping when he was 17? Yeah, that was crazy. It's amazing. He was so fucking good. At 17. Yeah, that was nuts. Like on a stoop.

And everybody was freaking out. Like just also the voice that he had. It was booming. It just every time he hit a rhyme, the punch had the boom, boom, boom. He was special. And he was 24. God. Think about your life when you was 25 and 24.

Yeah. Now, they were the most famous people in that music industry at the time. Tupac had sold 10 diamond on an album, multiple platinum number one albums, movies. Yeah. Everything at 25. Did you ever see the Rolling Stones piece on them? Mm-mm. Everything at 25. Did you ever see the Rolling Stones piece on them? Rolling Stone had a bit. They had an article about the assassinations and tied it to dirty cops in the Rampart District.

There was dirty cops in L.A. that were getting hired to do hits. And they were doing a lot of them. And these guys were making money and they had like cars stashed away places and a bunch of them got arrested but all these cops in the rampart uh district of of la there was a terrible dirty cop epidemic there and some of them were working as assassins i know some was working for death row too they think that some of those cops were responsible for killing Biggie. Damn. Yeah.

It's a pretty in-depth article that came out. There's a movie about it, too. Yes. That Johnny Depp was in called City of Lies. And is it about Rampart as well? Yeah, it came out in 2018.

It just says, a crime thriller about the Los Angeles Police Department and the murders of Tupac and Biggie. Oh, I never heard of that. I got to go check that out. You should read the Rolling Stones. It's a million.

Think about how popular those guys are. They've made so many shows, movies, new documentaries on them all the time. Yeah. Like, it still hasn't been solved. Some people think they know it's solved. You know, with Tupac, it's like that really was some some street shit yeah like his death was wrong place at the wrong time you put your hands on the wrong person Alando Anderson baby Lane and he was a real street guy in LA that really killed some people and you put your hands on the

wrong person when he didn't have to and it all would happen yeah Yeah. Like, I mean, remember in the casino footage, he walked storming through the casino footage. Apparently, Baby Lane, Orlando Anderson, they took a chain from a Death Row member in a mall. So when this guy was in Vegas, they found out that he was in a casino after the Tyson fight. And Tupac heard, got word of it and stormed to find him, Vegas, they found out that he was in the casino after the Tyson fight. And Tupac got word of it and

stormed to find him. Ran right up to him, punched him, and they stumped him out. Shug, all those guys stumped him out in the casino. That's the casino footage. And then they went back to the hotel, got dressed to go to Club 662, and Baby Lane and his uncle

and everybody, they was riding around looking for him. And they said in the interview that Baby Lane's uncle did, I forgot his name, they gave up looking for them. And he said that Tupac, they heard girls screaming, women screaming at Tupac. And it was like, he right there. So that's when they rolled up and they said Baby Lane grabbed a gun. Baby Lane initially wasn't going to shoot Tupac. It was the guy, they were just trying to figure out who was going to do it.

And they said Baby Lane grabbed the gun and he the one that fired the shots in the car. Is he still around? No, he got killed maybe like a few years later in a murder. Like he got murdered in, like he killed somebody and then got murdered himself. Like that's how he went out. There's no, imagine if rock stars are doing that, shooting each other. Well, that brings me to the point that I want to make. R.R.P. to PNB Rock.

I don't know if you know who that is. He just died last week. He got murdered in L.A. at a Roscoe's wearing a chain. They came in to rob him. You know, it's a lot of rappers and people getting robbed in L.A. for jewelry. Apparently, his girlfriend, I don't want to put it on her, but she posted their location on Instagram.

20 minutes later, somebody came into that Roscoe's in Englewood and killed him right there trying to get his jewelry. And this is the thing that I was thinking about. Like, as a black man in America, being myself, imagine I worked my ass off to get out of the inner city, the hood, the ghetto, whatever you want to say. Say I amass some wealth, some success. I can buy a nice car. I can get some jewelry, a nice watch.

Imagine waking up every day knowing like if I put this on, I might lose my life because somebody that looks like me want to take it. Justin Bieber don't got to worry about that. Enrique Iglesias ain't got to worry about that. Justin Bieber don't got to worry about that. Enrique Iglesias ain't got to worry about that. Jake Paul don't got to worry about that. But if they go to the wrong place in LA, they do have to worry about that now. But that's the stigma. That's the counter. I heard Charlamagne Tha God talking about it today.

That's the counter. Anybody goes into those neighborhoods with that on. A mailman, if he had some jury on, you're going to get robbed. It ain't just a rapper thing. Some guy got shot recently in front of a Beverly Hills restaurant for the same reason.

Yeah, he got killed. I think he was trying to intervene, right? I don't know. It's happening a lot. In L.A., it's bad. One of my best friends that I grew up with, his name Mr. Organic, he an influencer. And he's one of those guys. Flashy jewelry, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini trucks.

And this is my best friend I grew up with. And I had a talk with him the other day where I was like, bro, like you're known now. You've built your brand to the point where people know you. I'm worried about you. I told him, yeah, you got to get out of la like i told him that i i feel comfortable as a man waking up that i told my best friend bro i need you to leave la is he interested yeah yes and no because think about it you have amassed your success there right people know you like you don't want where you want to go he was in minnesota prior

to that but it's like bro people make youtube anytime he posts a video on his channel it's a million youtubers countering the video talking shit trolling them like so people know his life they putting his address out there like his he he you know he got a new house they like we found the house i'm thinking like bro you gotta get the fuck up out of here it's a matter of time honestly knock on wood but it's like i mean you can't really roll around la in a rose voice don wrapped and things like that and and honestly but i love my friend bro and i want him to leave la and it's scary when you and the day before pnb rock got killed i had that conversation with him the very next day pnb got rocked like pnb rock got killed for his jury you had that conversation with him. The very next day, PNB got rocked. Like, PNB rocked

got killed for his jury. You had that conversation with your friend. Yes. LA is amazing. I left. No more California for me. Where you at now? Vegas. I'm in Vegas. Yeah, I'm fucked. Cali. It's crazy, right? Isn't that a wild thing to say? Would you imagine saying that 10 years ago?

I know. I remember you told me years ago to leave. And that was just the politics. Yeah. But now it's. It's dangerous. Like, you know, I don't drive a Rolls Royce or I got a Range Rover. And that's nice enough.

That's nice enough to get robbed. And I'm like, yo, I don't even like what the fuck. What's the point of having this? You know, you really want that to go on a date, you know, open the door, hit the button, feel smooth. But now you got to worry about if you're getting set up. You got to look around. Yeah. It's bad. It's bad.

It's bad. And there's no consequences anymore. Like people are just getting let out of jail. It is. I mean, and people don't understand it. Like people from the outside, they go, oh, you're exaggerating. Like, no, you need to go there. You need to go there and realize how bad it is. Well, illinois just pass some new law yeah what the fuck is that the

crazy purge safety law it's uh they're essentially eliminating cash bail for almost everything dangerous kidnapping they're eliminating cash bail for second degree murder they're eliminating cash bail for murder through narcotics so you could like overdose someone and drug them to death and no cash bail intimidating a an official like a federal official or here it is here's the things the law includes secondary murder arson so you could let a guy's house on fire, get right out of jail, drug-induced homicide, robbery, kidnapping, aggravated battery, burglary, intimidation, aggravated driving under the influence, fleeing and eluding drug offenses, and threatening a public official.

No bail. What? I'm from Illinois. It's crazy. I mean, everyone's freaking out. I'm very concerned about the increase in violent crime. Again, I do want to stress there's still time to fix it. The state's attorneys are working very hard. We have been for the last year and a half to fix this law. It's very fixable. We could still eliminate cash bail, but make sure the right people are in custody and everybody who's not in danger gets out, said state's attorney Robert Berlin.

Yeah, they're fucked. Because once people realize there's no consequences, then there's people that would have committed crimes, and then they're more brazen now. They're just going to just say, fuck it. Well, that is a lot of guys and people know that they're going to just get released. Yeah. Illinois fucked up. So I had a summer place in Chicago last summer.

You know, I wanted to just, I've never ever in my life was, I'm from Southern Illinois, small town, 20,000 people, Carbondale. I was like, I've never lived in Chicago. You know, I'm a nomad. I'm always moving around. So I ended up moving to Streeterville, downtown Chicago, view of Lake Michigan, the river. Beautiful. I decided to leave. So I needed a sub letter unless I was going to break the lease. It was like $15,000 to break the lease or something. It was an expensive place. I shouldn't have rented it, but I did it stupidly.

So I found this guy on his roommate app to where I found somebody to take over my lease. So I didn't have to pay to get out. The guy couldn't qualify to get the place on his own. He was an older white guy, like 50 something years old saying, I'm going to get this place for my daughter, blah, blah, blah. I think I had maybe eight, nine months left on the lease. So he just took, I was only there for like three months, the summer, and then he took it over. So for seven straight months, he paid the rent every single month. No problem. The lease ended in July on July 20th of recently in may, he didn't pay his rent and he was past due. And he made it, he made an excuse to the place like, Hey, I couldn't, you know, I'm running into some, some money issues and things like that. He told me, he was like, listen, I'm running into some money issues and things like that. He told me.

He was like, listen, I'm going to have it fixed. Don't worry about it. Because they notified me because obviously I was like a sub-letter or sub-lease. June go, he don't pay the rent. They still letting him stay. July comes. Oh, boy. But this is the thing. I don't get a letter until June, like two weeks before the lease was in.

Like, hey, well, I don't know if you know this, but this is going on. He's like fifteen thousand dollars past due. You're responsible if he can't pay it. I'm sitting there like, what the fuck are you talking about? Y'all let somebody stay on your property for two months and then you're going gonna put it on a guy that hasn't been here for seven eight months july 20th come he's telling me every day like i'm a pad i promise you you're not gonna be responsible for this classic classic story my daughter i don't you know i'm emailing them threats i'm gonna sue you counter sue you everything july come still don Everything. July come. Still don't pay. August come. Still don't pay.

Squatting situation. It's September right now. He still is not paying. And he's still in an apartment. Is he responding to texts still? Every so slightly. Like, I promise you, I'm going to pay it. I guess they got like a court. Something

in court on october 6th i've contacted the place they told me listen we're doing everything we can to is your lease done though if at the end of the lease ended in june july 20th and you still have to pay no i don't have to pay anything so you're good i don't have to pay anything for now but if they sue this guy and he can't pay who do you think they're to fall back on? The guy that gave it. So May, June, July, August, September. So it's five months he still ain't paid. Pass the lease. And if he stays past the lease, then you're responsible

past the lease as well? Like October, November, December? Are you responsible for that too? I don't know, but I know they got to go. It's fucked up. So this is the whole point. I'm like, I've lived in Southern California for the last five, six years. Irvine Company, where I'm always living in them fancy. If you one day pass due, they're getting the fuck out of them in California.

They're not letting you stay. Illinois, they're like, we got laws that protect renters, so we can't necessarily kick them out. And I'm still dealing with that every day, like that situation. I had a friend who was renting an apartment to a woman who was a nurse, and she was making good money, and she's paying on time and then when covid came she just decided that she didn't want to pay anymore and she decided that because of rent protection because with all that talk that she could get away with it and he knew she was working she was still

showing up at work she wouldn't respond she just stopped paying she didn't pay for a year what the fuck yeah and he couldn't do nothing about it do a fucking thing that was in california yeah because they're protecting people for getting evicted when i lived in cali during the pandemic in playa vista they sent us like emails like if you want to get out of your lease right now you can they gave you a buyout so they bought me out for like a thousand dollars i moved to south florida where it was open well that's nice yeah but there was a time where i thought that universal basic income was a good idea it's like if you just give people money enough money to pay their rent and food that's good because then they'll pursue their interests but i don't think that anymore

but do you penalize them if they go on to succeed in something else or do they still get that that universal income i think that universal income? I think the universal income was gonna apply to everybody I think the idea was if it applied to everybody then it would still you wouldn't have an incentive to stop working You know you would you would just go and work for sure money no matter what? But this you know, how much would that be because every other every part of the country is different as far as how expensive it is right so what would you give if you gave somebody where i'm from a thousand dollars a month they balling right you know they rent is three hundred dollars four hundred dollars a month

because they own government assistance and things like that so it's like a thousand dollars in la ain't gonna get you can't pay for a date with that. Right. Exactly. It's tricky because human nature is just very reliable. And if you give people money, they just decide they don't want to work anymore. If you give people an out, we were talking about PPP loans earlier. You give people that option and they take it. And now the government is, hello, Mr. Harris, we'd like to talk to you. Yes.

Hey, don't say Mr. Harris. That wasn't me. Hey, it wasn't me. What the fuck you talking about, Joe? I had some people take advantage of the P&B loans, but it wasn't me. Honestly, listen, anybody out there that's an entrepreneur, take my advice. I didn't have my shit structured right tax-wise to even take advantage of stuff like that. Get your LLC, start getting paid in your LLC.

I was getting paid through PayPal and fucking wires, and it was just straight sold proprietors. So when that opportunity came for me to take some legit money, I wasn't even able to get it. And I'm kind of happy because everybody was scamming then. It was like black people was talking about it was reparations. Finally, we get free money. I was like, yeah, it's free for now.

Free for now. Until them fucking agents come knocking on your door and then you're out of here. When they decided to hire 87,000 new IRS agents, that shit scared the fuck out of me. Because you know what they were saying in the ads? They were saying you have to be willing to use lethal force what yeah like pull up the ad that was one of the things that they talked about what the job requirement might be and one of the job requirements might be having to use force to acquire money from these people or to arrest these people.

What the fuck? I mean, this is just the Internal Revenue Service, and they're talking about people having to shoot people. Did you find it? AP says this has been misrepresented online. Has it been? But what was the actual ad? I'm trying to find the actual ad. The problem with AP is they're fucking all subject to intimidation.

A legitimate job ad. The problem with AP is they're fucking all subject to intimidation. A legitimate job ad. Job description does not apply to most potential new employees. Yeah, but what was the actual ad itself? I didn't see the ad. The actual ad itself, a lot of people posted online. They were like, what in the fuck

is this? Listed duties include being able to carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force if necessary yeah that's it but that's all you need to see right there listed duties on the image including being able to carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force and you know what I heard that they were but that's what this is just saying that they don't know where this came this says this came from a screenshot on Facebook that includes IRS logo and test that way we go figure out where the screens that might not be legit I hope not requirements include work and a minimum of 50 hours per week which may include irregular hours and be

on call 24 7 including holidays and weekends I feel like someone made that that's what it says users are falsely depicting a legitimate ad with a special agent. It says it does not appear on an IRS website advertising a special ad. Yes, I don't know. Right. But the problem is that didn't come from nowhere. Did they refute it, though? I don't know.

Let's find out here. Special agents with IRS criminal investigations who investigate criminal tax violations and other related financial crimes are the only IRS employees who carry firearms, including to Annie Packer, a spokesperson for the division. Special agents compose a small sliver of IRS workforce. This says right here that the AP special agent webpage and confirmed the language had been on the site but was removed. It said it was removed in error amid the spate of misinformation. So it was on the site.

It was on the site, and then people freaked out, and then they were like, oh, that's how we were meant. I was talking to Eddie Alvarez, and those agents is for the little guy not for like exactly you like people that make ridiculous amount of money no it's for the little guys too like so i was like damn that's why they hired that many agents to come out to you know you owe seven thousand dollars that don't have good legal representation and maybe people that like skimped a little here or there didn't do the best to cover their shit yeah and then if think about, you have 300 million people paying taxes.

They hire 87,000 people. That's going to cost billions of dollars just for those people. So they mean to make billions more than they're spending. That's the post it looks like, which does look like it is from the IRS website. Yeah, it is from the IRS. They're full of shit. Carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force. Let's scroll down a little bit, please.

If necessary. That's the fucking thing that freaked people out. Carry a firearm. Be willing to use deadly force if necessary. So you're going to shoot someone if they don't pay. That's what they're saying. That's fucking crazy. This is crazy.

And work a minimum of 50 hours per week, which may include irregular hours. Be on call 24-7, including weekends and holidays, which is crazy. You're eating dinner with your family on Thanksgiving, and they're like, hey, Will, you got to go shoot some dude. He owes us money. What? Fuck. What?

That's why I'm moving. I'm leaving the country. Where are you going? You're leaving the country? You are such a nomad. I am. I love talking to you because you're always going somewhere. I think I want to leave until I'm about 43 to, like, the UAE.

Really? Yes, because I just was over there. I was doing a documentary on, like, they're trying to bring American baseball to UIBL. They're trying to bring baseball to that part of the region. So converting cricket fans, which is hundreds and hundreds and millions of fans, into baseball fans. So they're having a showcase on February 2023. And I've been doing a documentary since May with this guy named Kaz Shaikh from BSB.

And we went over there. And I've been over to the UAE several times, obviously, with the UFC. But I don't know, like just that part of the world, man, I'm just a lot happier. It's very safe. It's one percent crime rate. I have some friends. We were out at dinner the other night and Chappelle's friends with this dude who runs luxury resorts in Dubai and him and his wife were there. And they were talking about how you don't really have free speech over there the way we have in America. But the wife was like, but there is no crime.

Like if you drop a diamond on the ground, someone will pick it up and bring it to the police and they'll bring it back to you. 100%. It's that safe. It's incredibly safe. I was plugging my batteries for hours somewhere and I didn't even care. Yeah. Like, and I, cause I, I, I love America, man. I do.

I love the freedoms that we have here and, and abilities to just go from nothing to being right here. You might, it ain't a Joe Rogan over there. Right. But at the same time, as a black man, it was a lot of things i didn't even worry about waking up when i was over there i didn't care about no police didn't worry about somebody robbing me or somebody looking at me and and being intimidated i didn't feel like i stood out like a

sore thumb uh and people just staring at you i i get some of those looks when i'm in asia but over there it's it's the central hub to the world. Like every, listen, it's six, seven hours from Europe, seven hours from Africa, six hours from Singapore, like places like that. Like my route going there when I go back for UFC 280 is Vegas, Amsterdam, Amsterdam to Dubai. And to me, I feel like what I've built with Anatomy of a Fighter,

I wouldn't say I've plateaued, but I feel like I can grow this brand so much bigger than the rest of the world. Like I haven't touched that side of the world. I haven't touched Europe. I haven't touched the UAE. I haven't touched Africa with my content. Yes, an African fighter may come to the PI

or Darren Till may come to the PI or Darren Teal may come to the Vegas and I filmed Darren Teal in Vegas. But what about shooting on the streets of Liverpool or in the Middle East or document Oosk and Joshua fight in Saudi Arabia. I had Jamie take a picture

of me earlier, me next to Anthony Bourdain. That is literally one of my idols in storytelling with documentary filmmaking. I want to start having my brand all over the world. I feel like it's a worldwide brand now, but it ain't worldwide in terms of foot on the ground. Yeah, just athletes from all over the world. And I feel like I need to leave America for a couple years, maybe even longer, and take

advantages of some of those things. Because like Dana White said, this is becoming the fight capital of the world, Abu Dhabi. It really is. And that's where I want to be. They have giant fights there. I mean, they're going to have Makachev versus Oliveira. I wish you could go. I see you got a show in London.

Yeah, I'm going to be in London that day. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's a fucking fight, man. I know. You know, before I even get into the fight, let me ask, because, you know, DC get a lot of shit when it comes to his bias and commentary and stuff like that. I see fans complain a lot.

But when you, like, from my perspective, I'm going to have some bias. I'm not a journalist. These guys are giving me access to their lives, their families, their wives, their kids, their intimate moments. Yes, I'm going to root for that guy. Right. Leon Edwards. I'm happy as fuck for Leon Edwards. A black man, came from Jamaica, nothing.

I feel like they don't respect him in the U.K. still. And I'm so happy for him. I'm happy he beat Kamau and not Kobe or Masvidal. No disrespect to them. Right. But for me, I'm going to have some bias if I speak. Yes, I feel I want Islam Makachev to win. Do I think Charles Oliver is top one, two, three, lightweights in all time?

Yep. Do I think he can beat Islam? Yep. But I feel like Islam is going to win that fight. And I go off the pulse of how I read these guys being around him. And Khabib don't think it's going to go past two rounds. Khabib thinks Mankachev

is going to take him out in two? Two. You never know. The thing about Oliveira is everybody looks at Oliveira at his lowest points. And his lowest points, you know, Cub Swanson knocked him out, Paul Felder smashed him, all these people beat him,

but something happened when that dude had a kid. That's what it is. That dude had a daughter. And there's a fire inside of him like the fucking center of the sun. And I don't know what it is, man, but he's a different human, man. He goes right into the line of fire, too.

He's straight. He's not taking any shortcuts. There's no—it's all risk. He goes right in, and he's 100% confident. It doesn't matter how hard you hit him, he's going to be fine. But he ain't facing—either one of them have him face. No. Either like each other.

I told you in 2019, them guys was different. They're different. They're different. Especially when it comes to grappling. Oh, yeah, man. Makachev smooshes people. He gets a hold of them, and they're not going anywhere. They say he's so strong.

And Javier Mendez has said this publicly, so I'm not saying anything. Javier believes Makachev is better than Khabib. All around is a fighter. He's always said that. You can go back and find it. He feels Islam is that guy. I'll do him a fighter. He's always said that. Like, you can go back and find it. Like, he feels Islam is that guy. I'll do him a nap. RIP to him. Felt

like he was that guy. That's the reason why Khabib is... Listen, I talked to Ali Abdelaziz. Shout out to my brother Ali. He always stresses, like, Khabib don't have to be around these guys anymore. Like, he's spending his own money, all of these guys over in Dubai right now,

training, getting ready for the fight. Bilal Muhammad is over there training with them, everything. Khabib is spending his own money for a fucking shitload of people. He took a picture today. It was happy birthday to him today, too. But a shitload of people funding this dream that his father had. He want to see this through and i you know and speaking of eddie alvarez because i asked him who was going to win

i always called eddie because his knowledge on fighting he told me nate nate was going to do exactly what he did to tony i was like for real i thought tony might win right late you know notice a poem and everything but he literally like eddie just like, it's written in the stars, man. You can't write a better movie than this shit. You can't write a better movie than this shit, how everything is playing out with Islam and Abdulmanap passing and Khabib the coach, and now they fighting in Abu Dhabi. That's the last place that Abdulmanap was with Khabib.

And it's like, is this going to happen? And that's the exciting thing for me as a storyteller. He's going to win or he's going to happen? And that's the exciting thing for me as a storyteller. He's going to win or he's going to lose. And that's the thing. I think people feel like the world is going to blow up if one of these guys lose from over there. Like, these guys are super religious, man. They feel like everything is in a plan. If they lose, they lose.

They're not going to sit there and give you a pity party just because they lost. Like, they believe if all I wanted that to happen, that was going to happen. But I truly just don't see Islam losing, man. It's just something about that guy. I don't know. He is special. He is special. And that's what makes this fucking fight exciting because Oliver is special.

Yeah, he's special too, man. And we totally forgetting that TJ Dillashaw is fighting Al Jermaine. And Sean O'Malley is fighting Peter Yan. Bilal Muhammad is fighting Sean Brady. It's like all of these, if this card sticks together, it's going to be fucking amazing. It's an amazing card. It's an amazing card.

But the Olivera-Malkachev fight, that's the big one. That's the big one because there's so many questions. And, you know, Olivera has never fought a grappler like Islam. But Islam's never fought a guy who can submit people like Oliveira can. Oliveira fucks everybody up. I always go to this, Joe. Sorry. Listen.

Ooh, look at that. Michael Chandler fight. Mm-hmm. A guy that had great wrestling. Michael Chandler can fuck a wrestler.. A guy that had great wrestling. Mm-hmm. Michael Chandler can fuck a wrestler. Yeah. He was dominating Olivera.

Olivera didn't submit Mike. He knocked, he TKO'd him. Yeah. So in terms of grappling, Right. Mike was destroying Olivera. Almost finished him in the first round. Well, Olivera, he, he, Chandler caught him.

Caught him. He caught him and hurt him. Yep. And then one of the things that Olivera does when he gets hurt, he just goes right to his back. That's some Nate Diaz shit. It's smart because his guard is nasty. His guard is so wicked.

What did he do with Gaethje? Did Gaethje go into his guard? No, Gaethje kind of stepped back out. But he cracked Gaethje. Gaethje said something about the way he hit him. He said he hit him so hard he felt it in his tongue. Yeah. He's like, it just heals. like, that guy can fucking crack.

He said he never got hit like that before. And that's scary. Which is wild. Oliver is big, bro. He's big. He's a big, and this is the thing. I don't know if Khabib and him are playing warfare and the fans are getting mad. I don't know if he's going to show up to the fight.

That's warfare. They playing mental warfare, right? That's what I believe. Charles is big, man. Yeah, well, it's amazing, too, that he fought at 45. And that's probably responsible for some of his losses, that he got so dehydrated. I mean, think about Gilbert Burns fighting Dan Hooker.

I filmed him that week. Drained himself. I remember when Dan Hooker beat him after the fight, Dan Hooker was like, I didn't beat fucking Gilbert Burns. I beat a deflated Gilbert Burns. He was honest about that. I didn't beat Gilbert Burns. I beat a weight-drained Gilbert Burns.

Some people are not just, you know what I mean? Let me ask you this. What did you think about Hamzat missing weight so badly? Because that's a similar situation. That's eight and a half pounds, though, from the championship limit. Yeah, that's a lot. That's not four. No. That's not three. That's eight and a half pounds, though, from the championship limit. Yeah, that's a lot. That's not four.

No. That's not three. That's eight and a half. Henry Cejudo, you see his theory? What is it? He said that he feel like he training too much. That's why he's having a hard time with the weight cut. Huh. He feel like he's training.

And that's his reputation. Right. A maniac. Yeah. And he said his body is not reacting to the weight cut. So I don't know. Well, it's also he's coming in way too heavy. He's trying to, you know, drain himself of 20, 30 pounds.

Well, that's what his coach said. He felt like he didn't cut weight the right way. But he also said, he told Ariel Hawant that he hasn't been the same since he caught COVID. Speaking of COVID. He said that on his show. Well, you know what he did? He kept training. That's why he wasn't the same since he got COVID.

He kept training while he had COVID and he was hospitalized twice. He was on death's door. Yeah, coughing up blood and everything. That fucking dude would not stop training. That's how crazy he is. Do you think he's going to make it? what do you think he needs to do to i think he should get with a legitimate weight cut specialist like i don't know who he had with him but he needs someone who's with him in camp 24 7 someone who's with him through the entire process someone who makes

sure that before he even enters camp that he's close. I mean, it's not like the guy gets fat. But, you know, he's draining himself. I think there should be more weight classes. Not only that, I think they should eliminate weight cutting. I think it's the dumbest thing in the world. To 24 hours before a fucking cage fight, you literally dehydrate your organs, your brain, everything. You get yourself—why? So what do you mean?

They just fight at their natural weight? Yes. It's sanctioned cheating. That's what it is. So, okay, Kamal may walk around at 185, 190. That's what he should be a champ at. And then Izzy probably walk around at 185. Yeah, Izzy's one of the rare dudes who doesn't cut much weight.

And Kobe. Well, think about when Izzy went up, when he fought Jan Boho. He was still 187 or some crazy shit. He was like 193, I think he weighed. Yeah, he tried to gain weight. Yeah, he tried to gain weight. Yeah. He tried to gain weight. I don't even think he did try.

I think his idea was like, fuck that. This is what I walk around at. I'll just pick him apart. But when a guy gets on top of you, that's when it makes a big difference. When a 230-pound man like Bohovic takes you down and then smushes you, that's the big difference in the grappling.

They think Khabib is going to come back one day, and I'm like, Khabib, like 205 pounds. He has no desire to come back. Zero. And it's funny because people think like, all right, Islam, say Charles go beat Islam in one round, two rounds. Charles said, I'm going to call out Khabib. Bro, Khabib is not coming back. Tony Ferguson, he's not coming back.

Like, let this man be happy and overweight and retired they even offered him big money for a grappling match for ufc fight pass he's like nyet listen man you know how much money they got in that part of the world you think khabib was worried about money tyson fury said it best he was happy for khabib he retired undefeated. He got out. He got his money. He left. Jose Aldo. Congratulations to his career. Legendary goat. I think there's multiple goats in this sport, especially because of his weight

classes. Soon as the announcement came, they compared him to Khabib. Did he have a better career than Khabib? Leave Khabib alone. He doesn't care. The fans do. It's argument. It's clickbait. It's interesting. All these damn websites every day is Khabib said this, Khabib said that.

And I'm like, yo, bro, like Khabib is not coming back and Khabib don't care. Right. Like Khabib, yes, Khabib is going to. If you ask Khabib how he's going to ride Charles like a horse, that's his opinion. Like that's his brother. He's been with him since he was a little kid. Right. I think he's going to ride. That's horse. That's his opinion. Like, that's his brother. He's been with him since he was a little kid. Right. I think he's going to ride.

That's so funny, that saying, what he said. He's going to ride Charles like a horse. Because, you know, Islam be riding horses. You ain't seen the video? I have seen it. Yeah. I have seen it, yeah. You see what he did to Bobby Green?

Rode him like a horse. He just ran him over. But Bobby didn't have a chance to train for that fight at all. I mean, that was a last-minute replacement. He just ran him over. But Bobby didn't have a chance to train for that fight at all. I mean, that was a last minute replacement. That was going to be... I remember when you had him on a podcast and he was talking about how boring that style is. I was just like, one day you're going to find out. See, but it's

not... Look, if you think it's boring, then you should be kickboxing. 100%. I mean, that's my common counter to anybody that says anything about how boring wrestling is. If a guy can beat you with wrestling, why wouldn't he beat you with wrestling? This is the whole purpose of mixed martial arts is to find out who can implement their strategy the best. And then sometimes when guys are grapplers, you expect them to grapple and they start out striking.

And there's a lot of guys like Curtis Blades who were predominantly grapplers, and now he's knocking people out without even any takedowns. That was Kamaru. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? It's the same thing. But I had this thread on Twitter that I asked the fan base. What's more important today, dominant BJJ or wrestling in today's MMA?

Which one would you choose? It depends on who's got the BJJ. The thing about Oliveira is, with the most submissions in the history of the UFC, and almost well, he's got wrestling. He took Tony Ferguson down at will. He can wrestle, but can he wrestle at the level of Islam?

I don't believe he can. I mean, it's crazy. He took Tony down and didn't submit him, but Nate did quickly. Yeah. Nate caught, but it's not the same Tony. No. Ain't that crazy? did quickly yeah nate caught but it's not the same tony you know there's a time that crazy like even a year later it's not the same there's a drop off man there's a whenever some people it's a cliff some people it's a gradual decline but with fighters you can only operate at the highest levels of the game for a few years i don't know how many years it is some people it's like eight like eight, nine years. Yeah. And then after that, it's just like your body just can't do it anymore,

especially if you're not cheating. If you're not taking steroids, you just can't recover. And when you're 36, 37, 38, and that's where Tony is, it's just not going to be the same. There's no way. But if you go back to Tony and his prime, Tony and his prime was a motherfucker, man. He never got tired.

He broke everybody with a pace. He would cut everybody up, smash people. All those images. Oh, my God. He beat the fuck out of everybody, man. So do you think I truly – I feel like there's certain fights that change fighters. And I feel like that fight with Gaethje took everything away. And not just physically, mentally.

Like Tony, like he always said, I saved the card again. Yeah. He just saved his last card. Tony is always sacrificing his legacy for something. He could have, I ain't, fuck Gaethje. I'm waiting for Khabib. Right. I'm not fighting.

He certainly could have. And he took a beating. And I feel like he was never the same after that. I think certain fighters are like, I feel like Dan Hooker ain't the same since when he fought Poirier. Right. He ain't been the same. Right. Right.

That's the conversation with Kamaru. That's the thing that I truly want to discover in terms of like when people get their lights shut off. Right. It's like the brain is protecting itself. So now your brain now remembers that impact. So it's like, are you going to bounce back? I mean, Weili Zhang did when she got head kicked by Rose and lost in her first round. So, I mean, you can't go to the Amanda Nunes thing because she just tapped out.

But when you get your, like, after that fight, I was talking to Michael Johnson and Rashad Evans in the back. You know, Kamau ready to go in December. That seems crazy. He wanted to go. He wanted to go. Right? Not now. But that's just his drive.

That's his championship heart. That was the initial reaction. Hey, because think about it. They don't even have a card for December yet. Right. Like, it's supposed to be Yuri Glover, but they haven't announced it. So I'm thinking, like, that could be Leon and Kamaru, but Kamaru's

going to fight sometime in the spring, February, March. I think that's smarter. But that's what Rashad was saying. Like, you know, they had those knockouts.

Leota Machida. Right. Michael Johnson recently had Josh Emmett. Right. It's like, take some time off, man. You have to.

Just take time off. You have to. If you don't, you're, like, if you're going in and your chin is 100%, if you get KO'd and you come in four months later, your chin might be 60%. So you say, well, I just won't get hit. What? Yeah.

You know, I heard conversations like that after Ronda Rousey got knocked out by Holly Holmes. Someone was telling me, well, she's just, they're going to do it in four months. I go, what the fuck are you talking about? She just got kicked into the shadow realm. There, they're going to do it in four months. I go, what the fuck are you talking about? She just got kicked into the shadow realm. There's no way she's coming back in four months. They go, well, she's not going to spar at all in training.

I'm like, oh, my God. What are you fucking saying? What are you saying? She's not going to spar? And then she's going to fight a literal 18-time kickboxing champion? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then you see what happened when she fought Amanda. Yeah.

champion. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then you see what happened when she fought Amanda. Yeah. Well, I thought Amanda was the most dangerous fight for her, period. Even before her? Yes, because Amanda's a black belt in jiu-jitsu with the heaviest hands in the history of the women's division. Nobody fucks people up like Amanda.

When she knocked out Cyborg, she puts it on ladies. She puts it on them. Yeah, she... She throws haymakers,makers man what is your honest thoughts about um kayla kayla harrison how dominant she is she's so big you know she's too she's 155 yeah right so what does she really weigh when i when i hugged her once and she went to fake judo throw me yeah she's fucking strong man she gets you on the ground. Oh, my God. She's probably walking around 170 pounds.

Probably. You know what I mean? Could she even make 145? I don't know, but Amanda isn't really a 145-er. She's a 35-er who can beat people at 45 just because she's that good.

Well, she's about to be a free agent. Amanda's going to be a free agent? Kayla. Oh, Kayla's going to be. I thought she just signed a new deal with the PFL. I don't think so. I don't think so. See if Kayla Harrison, see if, I thought she just signed a new deal with the PFL. I don't think so. I don't think so.

See if Kayla Harrison, see if, I thought she just signed. I remember she publicly just did an interview about, remember Chell made a video about, that's like treason. She talking about other leagues. Right. Chell's funny. Chell funny as fuck. But I don't know.

To me, it's like, all I hear is these people complain, not complain, but they want more money. They want a better life they want this they want that i just did a piece on sean o'malley that just got released yesterday this man paid off a million dollar house in cash tesla's own other property for somebody that young and that smart to have it figured out it's it's beautiful to see because i'm a part of this sport and see so many guys that are struggling. Right. And then you see a young guy like Sean O'Malley that has amassed his wealth outside of fighting. Well, and Sean O'Malley is a star, right?

But Eric Anders is not quite at that same level. Eric bought like his 18th house. He's constantly reinvesting his money, buying new properties. He's set. Yeah, James Krause too. Yes. Smart. Smart people.

And then, like I said, Eddie Alvarez. I always tell Eddie he needs to write a book on financial wealth with fighters. Yeah? Yes. A lot of fighters

seek him out for advice. No shit. Eddie's so fucking rich, he took that Conor McGregor money and... Really? Yeah. Eddie Alvarez got a lot of cheese.

Here it is. Kayla Harrison re-signs with the PFL on multi-year deal. What? Well, there you go. That's in March. Unless it changed, I couldn't find anything that said it was different than that. Yeah. Maybe that was during the free agency.

Right? What kind of drug testing does the PFL use? I don't know. Did it smell you? Well, I know the girl she fighting, Pacheco. Yeah? Kayla better get her to the ground. Really?

Yeah, that's Pacheco. I don't want to disrespect her. What's her first name? Just put Harrison versus Pacheco, please. I need to see. Yeah. I'm out of the loop when it comes to PFL unless there's people over there that I know about. Her name is Larissa Pacheco.

Yeah, Larissa Pacheco. What's her background? She's from Brazil. She's a striker. Swinging like Amanda. And is she big? Like, is it 145 or a good weight class for her? Because a lot of these girls that Kayla's fighting, fighting they just she's so much stronger than them. Ooh

Fucking shoulders on that lady. She is she a beast see look at that. Look at there They're gonna have first when she clinched the first seat Mmm. Let's see what we say That lady looks hard That lady looks hard. So this is just a beaten standing up. Is there anything from her stand up? Not ground and pound?

Because she's not going to get Kayla Harrison in that position. No, no, no. Just that highlight time. Yeah. Kayla's so big, man. She's just so big and strong. And she's got that world-class judo. That judo, man. She's an Olympic gold medalist.

Yeah. I mean, that's... Judo. That's a... No, no, no, no. Those fucking people... Two times. Yes.

Yeah, two times. Those fucking people are preposterously strong. Oh, shit. She's got hands. Yeah, she got power. Look at her odds. It's just like... Oh, yeah. That's just the problem. Oh, shit. She's got hands. Yeah, she got power. Look at her odds. It's just like... Oh, yeah.

That's just the problem, though, bro. There ain't enough lightweight women in the world, bro. Right. Strawweights are ridiculous. Yeah. But lightweights, like, what... Lightweight, there's like five of them. Even featherweight.

How many... The UFC's featherweight division is so shallow. They need to get... I see Jermaine... Jermaine Durand? Yeah, she just had a... She pregnant. Oh. So she ain't fighting anytime soon. Did you ever see that video where sheand. Yeah, she pregnant. Oh.

So she ain't fighting anytime soon. Did you ever see that video where she knocked out a man? No. She fought a man. What? Yeah. She flatlined a man with a straight right hand. Yeah, there's some women out here that can beat some ass.

Trust me. Yeah, it was a good fight. I wouldn't try to fight Kayla Harrison. No. My legs is weak as hell. Here it is. Oh, this is a real fight. Yeah.

No, she had a boxing match with a dude. It wasn't even a kickboxing match. And you got to realize, like, one of her biggest weapons is her elbows and her knees. Bro, he got tattoos on her back and everything. That's a real man. That was a real man, man. And they were fucking swinging. And this dude is swinging wild.

Look at that. Boom. She drops him. I never knew this. Yeah. She's probably one of the first women that I ever saw knock out a man in a real one-on-one boxing competition. Yeah, I've seen that in the hood a lot.

Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah, man. Women can knock you out, especially if they catch you on the chin. Big, heavy-hand-ass women. The big grandma arms. Just swinging. Yeah, you better not fight no big, heavyset woman or no gay man. Don't fight a gay man?

Because a gay man might whoop your ass. That's an old Eddie Murphy pitch. Oh, is it? You better not. Hey, you get your. I thought of this theory yesterday. I said, if you were out with a woman that you were dating, and she got into a bar fight and she got her ass whooped,

would you feel sympathy for her? And would she feel sympathy for you if you was at a bar and you got your ass whooped? Would she take you home and nurse you? Like, I always think about that. Like, if you're out with someone that you love or you care about or you're interested in and you saw them get their ass whooped, would you look at them differently?

love or you care about or you're interested in and you saw them get their ass whooped, would you look at them differently? It depends entirely upon what happened that caused them to get their ass whooped. Did they deserve it? Okay. What if they were starting shit? Yeah. I don't like that.

Nah. I don't fuck with people that start shit. I just get the fuck out of there. I'll talk to them. I'll say, hey, we got to get the fuck out of here. I don't do this. And then I'll be very hesitant to go places with them afterwards. Because some people just start problems. Yeah, that's true.

It's not fighters. It's not fighters. Well, the reason why, because all I see, like, you go on WorldStarHipHop, you just see people getting their ass whooped. And I'm like, and then it'd be the girlfriend right there. Like, did you see the video of Amir Khan? No. Get robbed?

No. Oh, you didn't see the video of Amir Khan, the boxer? Where? In London. When? And they took his watch. Oh, my God. And his wife ran.

Oh, my God. And then she went online to defend herself. Like, he would have wanted me to. She left him. They pulled out guns, everything. It's online. Amir Khan got robbed. What's he going to do?

Look, look. This is crazy. So where is he? Watch, you're going to see. Look. Is he in the car? So these are the guys that are robbing him. This is crazy. Watch, you're going to see. Look. Is he in the car? So these are the guys that are robbing him. So this is security footage.

So they run over. Watch his wife. Oh, this is all we're seeing? Oh, we got to get the other angle. Oh. We got to get the other angle. Oh, we got to get the other angle. So this is in London they robbed him at gunpoint for his watch?

Bro, I'm going to London with a Timex on. Fuck this. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Look at that watch. See, you're walking around with a house on your wrist. But how the fuck do they know you got that on your wrist? You know, somebody, that's a Richard Millay, right?

That's like a- Richard Milley? I think it's Richard. Yeah, so we, somebody, that's a Richard Millay, right? That's like a. Richard Millay? I think it's Richard. Yeah, so we've been saying it wrong. Richard Millay. Black community. I don't even know how to say it. Richard Millay.

I saw Sylvester Stallone say it. Richard Millay on my wrist. But those watches, I think those watches are ugly. Hey, man, get an Apple watch. Well, I like watches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But those watches to me are just like, it's like so much Watch. Well, I like watches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But those watches to me are just like so much going on. My boy collect watches.

He'll buy a watch and then sell it a few months later and get $25,000 more. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of watch flippers, especially Rolexes. Yeah, but yeah, he got Amir Khan got robbed. This is the only question I really want to ask you today. Okay. It was a time in your life where you was Joe Rogan, grinding. Yes.

Getting to the top. Had aspirations to be where you are today. He was News Radio Joe. Right. You was probably out there on doing comedy sets, enjoying your life, meeting people, dating. But it came a point in your life where you met your wife. Yes.

And you said, fuck all the mother bitches yeah tell me what was your i asked every single married man is because i'm trying to figure that out for myself what about your wife that you said i don't need to entertain anybody else well she's really nice and she's smart she's disciplined, and she's just a real good person. She's very sweet to people. She's kind. She doesn't have any evil in her. You know, that's important because, you know, you date girls that you get a kick out of the evil that they have in them. It's fun, right?

But that evil comes on you sometimes. They get you with that evil, or they'll plot things. You got to know you can trust someone and care that they care about you. It's it's hard today, though, with dating apps, man. You know, I know, you know, I know, you know, it's like there's so many options. It's hard to put all your eggs in one basket or all your chips on one one number because it's just like there's so many people. I think it's ruining people in a lot of ways. It is.

And it's ruined my life. It's ruined my life in a way. Like I told Jamie when I walked in, I said, I'm just in a hotel. I'm not serious about media. I'm on an app. I'm not going to shout out any app. Right. But I had 50 matches.

Yeah. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And then you just like. Five hours. It's like, who the hell am I going to talk to? And they do too. Yeah. They have ridiculous amounts.

They go to the bathroom, they're checking their app. Everyone has too many options. You know, it's like you have, it's like a poverty of wealth. Yeah. It's like it makes your life poor, but it makes your options, you have so many options that you don't realize that you're missing real connection with people. You become soulless. If you're missing real connection with people.

You become soulless. If you're having a dinner with someone and all they're doing is like looking on their Instagram and checking their email and checking, you're like, I'm not connecting with you. I know. Well, that's like a lot of people, a lot of people today. They just, there's not a, like a real human connection. I feel very fortunate that I grew up in time with no internet. Oh my God. Very fortunate

And then I saw the internet And I realized what the difference it is And the change it makes on people It's just There's too much interaction with other people that aren't there And I don't think that's healthy for you It's one of the things that I tell comedians all the time Stop reading your fucking comments

Stop Because that shit is nothing but bad for you it's toxic there's no good there even the compliments that you get those aren't that they blow your head up no no no they'll they're ready to give you something negative they'll give you a positive comment yes but if soon as if you don't if you don't say the right thing back they might say something like i i told my friend this other day i watch fighters every day on twitter get bullied and they were and and they're responding and they're arguing what and i'll always go to the person's page like on twitter go look at what they like or tweet

themselves and all day they're just being negative on people's stuff. And I'm sitting there thinking like, you're following me talking shit to me, but you're following me. Why the hell would I entertain it? And I don't ever want to get in fighters' business. Like, you know Terrence McKinney. Young Terrence McKinney, a lot of potential. I want to do a project on him.

I love the kid. He's got potential. But he constantly is online just talking. I'm like, bro, I want to tell him. I'm telling him now, get the fuck off Twitter. You just had a baby. Congratulations to that. Stay away from Twitter because these people,

all they're doing is fishing for compliments to themselves so they can feel like something. But as soon as you don't give it to them, it's it. Brandon Schaub, he gave his opinion on Dana that ate his ass alive like piranhas. It's so dumb. I didn't talk to him about that, but first of all, he's wrong. Yeah, he needed to. He's wrong about the theory.

Look, Brandon's my boy, but he needs a handler. He needs someone like me around him all the time. What are you going to do? Duh, duh, nah, nah, nah. Here's why. And he'll go, yeah, you're right. I get where you're coming from with brendan and then it's like i don't to me i don't understand why our community they hate him in a way like i don't know the percentage but he gets a lot of shit

if you're spending any time any time you're a busy man, you're a family man, you got kids, you got a wife, you got a shit to do, and you're spending any time arguing on Twitter, that is a waste of your life. That's a waste of time. Damn. So if I wanted to do an open mic night. You're a funny dude. You could do it. And I had a bit about being on a dating app. Yes.

And a woman telling me she is not interested in men unless they are unvaxxed. How would I write that bitch? Because that really happened, bro. Women want unvaxxed sperm. Sperm, yeah. What do they think is in the vax sperm? I have no clue.

Like literally, I've seen 20 to 30 women over the past two years in L.A. to Hawaii. It's like I'm only interested in men that are unvaxxed. That's someone who's really committed to anti-vaccine ideas. I don't know. Unvax sperm. That's funny. I don't know much of a difference.

Is it a crime if I lie? No, I'm not vaxxed. Not technically. Well, after a while, the vaccine isn't even effective anymore, right? So technically, you're not vaccinated anymore. That's one of the reasons why they wanted people to get boosters. It's because after a while, the effectiveness wears off. So what is the fear with births and sperm with the vaccine?

What were they thinking? It's a good question. Yeah, there apparently is some sort of a drop-off with women. With women, there's fertility problems. There's also women who were already in menopause and started getting their period again. And then there's women. I know a woman who had her period for four months straight. What the fuck?

Yeah, she just had a bad reaction to the vaccine, and she was bleeding for four months straight. And it was very concerning to her. I know women have had a hard time getting pregnant because of it and there's been an association or correlation with miscarriages i don't know you know i don't know why anybody would want unvaxxed sperm it seems like a fun thing to say though yeah it give me that unvaxxed jizz i don't know man dating apps is crazy it's too much you know i don't think it's good for you. I'm over the hill now. 40.

So, you know, half the life is gone. That's when it's time to settle down. So that's the, I truly, honestly, I think I need to go to therapy. Yeah. I do. I don't know if, I wouldn't, I don't think I'm a sex addict. You know, I talked about a sex addict the last time I was on here. Right, right.

But I might be. Well, it's certainly addictive to be involved in so many exciting new relationships. Yes. New relationships are exciting. Yeah, exactly. New things are exciting. Like me and my boy, I always say we like the, what was those, that lion clan, the Mapogo lions? What was those killer, that lion clan?

Mapogo. I don't know. It was like Mr. T. He was a lion. It was like these group of lions, like eight lions that was just like savagely in these lion wars. Like, seriously. Really?

Mapogo. What was this on? Like, it's real life. It ain't a movie. No, but was it a documentary or something? Yeah, the Mapogo. Mapogo Lions Begins the World Famous Lion. That's me and my dog, Mr. Organic.

Yeah, like the Mapogo Lions. This is just lions that dominated other lions? Yes, yes. Oh, wow. Yeah, and I'm talking about, it's like a movie. Oh, wow. They all got together? Yes.

Like a clan. Clan. Oh, wow. Yes, the Mapogo Lions. Well, those are young lions, though. Those are all young males. They ended up dying, like. You see that mane? That's a young lion. Yeah, watch. It's crazy, bro. See, the young lions, though. Those are all young males. They ended up dying. You see that mane?

That's a young lion. Yeah, watch. It's crazy, bro. See, the young ones are wild, and the older ones, they have the thicker manes, and it's protecting them from attacks from other lions. Yeah. That's what that shit's for. I'm a pogo lion.

They kill so many other lions. Well, that's what lions do, man. They kill the older lion and force them out. That's a weird world. Have you ever seen Relentless Enemies? It's an amazing documentary about lions. Where this one tribe of lions, there's an area where this river branched off and it created an island. And these lions got stuck on this, it's a pretty large island.

But the only thing on the island to eat was water buffalo. So all the lions started eating water buffalo and they all got jacked because the only lions they could take down a water buffalo were huge lions. So the female lions of this tribe are as big as a normal male lion and they're fucking muscular, really jacked. They look fake. Did you ever see the video of that guy on a truck and then that female lion come around and just look at him and that it was big as a fucking truck it's like

a slow motion clip of a he one of those guys on the safari on the back of the truck he had a camera in his hand and then the lion just came around and looked at him but you don't see what happens after that oh it was it was the crazy and the the eyes was just so big there it is right here oh my god bro why would you be that close i know that most of the time the lines don't attack people in the cars but why would you be that close i don't why it'd be killing me like now this tick tock air of these hot women walking down the path with lions and shit just for some views. I'm like, yo, y'all are fucking crazy. Clout

is crack. That's the new era of crack. I was telling my boy, it is crack. Clout is crack. It's like a gambling addiction, sex addiction. It's all the same shit. It's all the same thing. And you're always chasing that dragon. That's why I don't judge people, though.

Because we all have our faults. Yes. Like, I have my faults. You know, like, I... Well, you're open. You're very open about it. I just, you know, like, honestly, at this point in my life, you said this. I forgot who you was talking to, but I always Google it.

It's like Joe Rogan loneliness in America. And it was the guy you had on. Remember he said he studied loneliness. It was a long time ago, a few years ago. But you talked about how like, I know men 50, 60 never had kids. Just alone. And I'm like a decade away. So you start thinking about it.

And you know what happens to those guys? Their friends have kids. And then they don't see their friends very often. That's what I'm saying. I have friends that don't have kids, very often. That's what I'm saying. I have friends that don't have kids, man, and there's like a weird longing. You know, there's a thing that happens. They don't have a relationship, or they hop from one relationship to another,

and they're always looking for that juice. They're always looking for that new thing. When you're in a new relationship, it's exciting. They text you, I miss you, give me that dick, and they send you the eggplant emoji and you're like all excited it's that is uh it's a form of addiction you know it is it really is it really is like to me again you could also be in a bad relationship where you're you're bored i have friends it sucks i have friends that don't have sex yeah i have friends that don't have sex uh they're texting me about a girl that they see on instagram like oh i wish i could and i'm sitting there thinking like bro you got something that i would want right so it's like

is the grass greener well the grass is not green in their case in their case they don't have sex but i tell every single man out there that's trying to pursue whatever they're trying to do in life chasing these women it's not worth it it's not worth it. It's not worth it. I do it. Yeah. I'm doing it currently, and it's like I'm trying to figure out what the fuck do I want. Well, you need to get off the apps and find a woman in real life. If you could find a woman in real life and develop a real attraction to her, like her

personality, I like the way she handles her life. I admire her discipline. I admire her discipline. I admire her mind. And then she's hot, too. And, you know, you feel like you could form, like, a partnership with that person. Well. You respect them. They respect you.

You're attracted to them. But it's like that seems like a pipe dream to people. It is because it's a lot of successful people on apps now. It ain't the old days where you might find a little floozy on an app that want to have some fun. As you know, we've talked about it, there's successful people on apps. Yeah. And they fucked up too. Yeah, they're fucked up too.

So it's like. But it's because the app, it's the options. It's the same thing as like chasing clout on TikTok or responding to everyone on Twitter. You're getting addicted to these responses. You're getting these dopamine rushes from all these people coming at you. I just don't think those things are good for you. No, it's not. Like every connection I've truly had with a woman in my entire life,

I did not meet her on the app. Of course. Ain't that crazy? But you're still on the apps. Well, because the apps will get you laid, and that's fun too. That's part of the problem is like if you're in bed with a 10, and all of a sudden you're fucking and you're making out, and it's so exciting, and then she texts you the next day,

like, I had a great time, and you're like, I did too. No, it's that post-night clarity. Yeah, that too. And you be like, I don't really. Yeah, there's that too. And that's the thing that, like, listen, I've met, even in the last year or two, some amazing women. It's amazing women in my life now.

It's women in my life that I haven't slept with and I refuse to sleep with because I don't want to waste their time. Oh, wow. That's interesting. Like, I literally like them, care about them, spend time. But you don't want to waste their time because you're on the apps. I just don't want to fuck them and then waste their time. Because I know I'm going to waste their time. Well, you're a good guy. And that's just me being honest.

That's you being a good guy. That's just me being honest. So what happens is sometimes you don't know it until after you sleep with them. Right. Like, fuck. Especially if it's been a while. Especially if you're horny. And you fuck up.

But you travel a lot. Yeah. But I travel a lot all over the world all the time. Mm-hmm. And you're constantly meeting new people. Well, it makes sense if you travel a lot to use an app because, like, all of a sudden you're in London. Yeah. Like, hey, what's going on in London?

And I might find my match here. Yeah. And it's a bad approach. But that is my mind. It's like, oh, I'm in Austin. Yeah. approach but that is my mind it's like oh i'm in austin yeah it's a lot of successful women that are doing things that are beautiful attractive probably in shape and austin might be on the app look they busy they don't have a lot of time you know that's the like common thing like oh my friend

told me to get on his app it's like you've been on his app four years you're talking about your friend been on his that quit lying shit but it's it's it's one of those things for me where i'm like all right i'm you know i'm going to abu dhabi in a week or two like i don't i might meet my wife over there i don't know you might and that's exciting though that's the exciting part is like oh i gotta i gotta go to cincinnati at the end of the week you never know you might meet somebody to work at procter and gamble and but if you keep getting more and more options while you meet that person, then you devalue that person. 100%.

You don't think that person's interesting or that important. That is the problem. Because there's 15 more waiting in the wings. There you go. So one of the apps that I use, like I said, I'm not going to give these people no clout. I'll show you after this. I got 1,000 matches. I got a thousand matches.

It's like, how the fuck do you talk to a thousand people? Like, it's an ego booster, though. Yeah, for sure. It makes your dick feel bigger. I got a thousand matches. Look at all these beautiful women. Well, you have options, right? You're doing really well.

You're a handsome guy. You're tall. You're built. You got all these positive qualities. BBC.'re built you got all these positive qualities bbc you got all these positive qualities but the problem is sometimes you can have a poverty of wealth i know and then that leads to a lack of like a real meaningful relationship well but i think i think it's hard to meet someone who's also in that same game too if you're meeting them on apps they're doing the same thing 100 yeah if the girl's hot and you're bombing on her that means her fucking entire life looks like

an iraqi airfield it's just boom boom do you judge like no you can't judge them right and i think for example if i meet a woman like my best friend gets on my case about this like i'll meet a woman and then i'll pry her for information. Like, I want to know the last time she slept with a guy. I want to know the last time she hung out with a guy. I had this girl visit me when I was living in Irvine recently before I gave up the spot. I went from L.A. to Irvine. And I had two places.

I was living in Vegas and L.A. and then I got rid of L.A. and moved to Irvine. So I was driving back and forth. So I flew this girl in that I kind of liked. Like I hung out with her prior. She lived out of town in another state. I won't say because I don't want to give it away for her. So she came and saw me. Beautiful girl, paid for her ticket, came in.

Went out, had some drinks, had a good time, feeling loose. I have this game. It's called We're Not Really Strangers. So it asks you all types of different questions. But me, I just ask my own goddamn questions. I pull a card and be like, this question said this. So I said, when was the last time you slept with a guy? So she was like, oh, seven days ago.

I'm thinking like, okay, so you're here a week later in my place. And then I was like, oh, seven days ago. I'm thinking like, okay, so you're here a week later in my place. And then I was like, okay, cool. When was the last time you slept with two guys in the same week?

She was like, last week. So, instantly, my interest is gone. My boy, Organic, always tell me,

stop asking these fucking girls. You're going to get mad every time. So, I was like, what would you do he was like i'll fuck him like and don't even care but for me like part of me loves the bachelor of life but part of me is like bro hopefully you're trying to find a girl who's more picky but you got a girl that's flying all the way to irvine to hang with you is she's wild she's wild yeah and she didn't it was nonchalant with it too.

Like, I'm just having fun. But this is another problem. She wasn't grown. And usually I date my age. Right. On a dating app, right, I'll be like 29 to 45. Usually. That's good.

If I'm bored, I'll put it to 51. And that's even funner, right? Because, you know, they don't want kids. They don't want nothing. They just want to have a good time. But I can't fuck with no girl in her 20s. I'll say that now. Like, nah, if you 20-something, I can't do it.

I like grown women, but the flaw in that is you meet either women that already been married, had kids, don't want kids, or you meet a woman that's fucking ready today. And I'm like, hold, slow down. I met you last week. You need to let me know what this is gonna be. And I'm thinking like, you got two kids.

What do you mean I need to let you know? Like, I'm trying to just figure my own shit out. So it's a tough thing. So then like a lot of guys, they wanna just date younger girls because they just wanna have have fun right right and they don't care about they pass me being a fucking man i want to know when the last time you had sex well just think about this is this podcast might be like a good dating video for you because like people are going to get the chance to see you're such a good guy that there's girls you're actually interested in you don't want to have sex

with them because you don't want to waste their time because you're just caught up in this life so you realize that you're caught up in this life of options yeah which is a very new thing for human beings the only person the only type of people that have ever had the kind of options that you have right now are very very famous very wealthy people 100 that's the that's the past you know if you were some superstar celebrity and you were single and you were just out, girls are just bombing on you. You never had any problems. You just constant wealth of options.

So that's what everybody is now who looks good, who's got a good career, and they have an app. I think it's the app. It's the app. But I have a friend in L.A. that's an actor. White guy. Attractive motherfucker. He use the app but i have a friend in la that's an actor white guy attractive motherfucker he used the app i'm sitting next to him he don't get me like i don't get matches i show him the same app and i got all these matches and i'm thinking like he a white guy in la and i'm like he's a good looking guy i mean movie star looks so what's the problem

he just said the girl he don't match with the girls. I was like, oh, the white, the girls in LA don't like white guys. I don't know about that. I know a lot of white guys in LA. I was like, he from, he from Wisconsin.

He from, yeah, trust me, I do too. Maybe he just sucks at it. Maybe. It's all about your profile. Yes.

Now what backfired on me on the app was, I put my, my main picture was the background from the last episode. Oh no. So, most, you were on Joe Rogan. on the app was I put my main picture was the background from the last episode oh no so most you were on Joe Rogan I'm like

fuck cause I know they gonna go listen to the old podcast and I'm like don't listen disclaimer I needed to put

I needed to put a disclaimer on the apps now disclaimer I was telling stories of when I was 25 yeah I'm not that

fucking guy that used to fuck sex addicts and all this other crazy stuff. Yeah. But, oh, my God. I saw you. Or I saw you. I met this girl once that was a big fan of you and listened to everything you do. And she saw my profile and knew from my podcast.

I watched it, that three-hour podcast. So I'm thinking, like, okay, cool. It was funny. It was hilarious. Yeah. She judged the shit out of me because of that podcast. Oh. Judged the shit out of me.

I met a girl that was like Miss Pennsylvania or some crazy, like one of them states in San Diego. I'm thinking like, oh, this is a Miss Universe contestant. She judged the shit out of me because of that podcast. But why was she with you then? I went out with her on two dates, and that was it. But then she kind of said, hey, I don't think you're ready to settle down. You seem like, I'm thinking, like, what are you talking about?

Just because of the podcast? Yep. Wow. Well, you got to tell people that, you know, people, they live one way when they're 25 and a different way when they're 40. I don't regret shit. I love all the miscellaneous sex I've had in my life, the raw sex, everything. I ain't never had a disease.

I ain't never had a kid. I ain't never had to go to the clinic and cry. I'm living my life. Yeah. I ain't never had to go to the clinic and cry I'm living my life like I was telling you earlier R.I.P. to Elias Theodoro losing his life at 35 that was a beautiful awesome fucking guy to lose your life at 35

I'm 5 years older than this guy he don't get to see 40 and you lose your life to cancer was it colon or liver whatever it was like that breaks my heart i was destroyed that day yeah like i started to do a documentary on him because he was you know he was you know leading a march in cannabis with them fighters then a pandemic happened so i actually have, hours of footage of him that's unreleased.

And so a lot of people that knew, they was like, oh, you should put something together for him. And I was like, no, I'm going to just try to reach out, like get Michael Chiesa because he was close with him and try to give his family all the footage because I'm not going to profit off views or something off his death. But I feel like his family should get those interviews. They might get the footage and say,

can you make something? One of the things that you're saying that resonates with me is that you're looking at your life and you're like, look, I'm fortunate to have gotten this far, but like, what, what is the future?

Like, what is my life? And is this, if I'm, I gotta be a 70 year old man on dating apps with no kids. Cause that is people out there right now. It is. There's people out there. It's 56 year old man on dating apps yeah with no kids because that is people out there right now it is there's people out there right it's 56 year old women out there just alone and on dating apps look i could get it if you're a person who works and you are in an office all day long and you

don't have any opportunity to meet people and that's how you do it but you do it in an intelligent way like there's people that are on twitter there's people that are on instagram and they do it in an intelligent way they're not just on that are on Twitter, there's people that are on Instagram, and they do it in an intelligent way. They're not just on it all day long, constantly reading DMs. They just use it a little bit, but they have discipline. In and out, in and out.

Yeah, I just think that the app life, that world of options is overwhelming. It's almost like you're playing musical chairs and there's so many chairs, you don't even want to sit down. Like, I want to keep moving. It's bad when you know, like if you go on one app, like a dating app, I match with a girl, then I go on another app,

and I match with her on that one. I'm sitting like, this is a fucking problem. Yeah, you got a problem. This is a problem that we all are a part of. Everybody. And listen, Monday night or Monday morning, you're catching up with your boys after the weekend and they're telling you all these exciting stories.

Like one of my boys, former NBA basketball player, hit me up yesterday here. He said, you know this girl from Orange County. He screenshot it. I said, yeah, bro, I know her. And I'm like, that's how small LA is. I was like, obviously she have a type because she matched with you.

You a six foot eight black handsome guy. Bobby Jones. Shout out to him. And we both matched with her. And that ain't the. That's not the only two. No, we've done it plenty of times. Where he like, oh, I went out on a date with this girl.

And I'm like, man, I already fucked her. He like, fuck. I'm like, yeah. I already fucked her. He like, fuck. I'm like, yeah, but you can't get upset. I can't get upset. Like when the girl said she had sex

with two different guys in a week, like you gotta just let go. Okay. Yeah, my boy always, he killed me. He did his own podcast

and was talking about me. He didn't get my name, but I was like, I was like, motherfucker. He was like, I tell this nigga to stop doing this

all the time. You gotta, you gotta try to meet a girl in real life, but the question was like, I tell this nigga to stop doing this all the time. You gotta try to meet a girl in real life, but the question is like, how would you and where would you in real life? And would you judge them if they were on a dating app if you met them in real life? And would you be willing to delete the app? Would you be

willing to date a girl and you like her so much you're like, alright, I'm gonna delete this app. So I've done that. I've met a girl so put it like this, Joe. a date a girl and you like her so much, you're like, all right, I'm going to delete this app. So I've done that. I've met a girl. So put it like this, Joe. I met a girl recently that was a vegan. Now, she was one of those vegans that is like, I won't date a guy. That eats meat. That eats meat.

So our first date was at a vegan restaurant in L.A. Like a sushi vegan spot. Sushi? Like, it was like fake. Raw cucumber and shit? It was like fake meat. Fake shrimp. It was like a shrimp tempura roll, but not shrimp. Check, please.

I'd start sending her studies. But I liked this girl, Joe. Like, beautiful, talented. She was, you know, vegan, all about the energy and the healing and all that stuff. And I'm sitting there like, damn, this, you know, fuck it. I'm going to try. My man Bobby always tell me like, bro, you ain't came. You got to try one of these girls you meet.

You have to just say, fuck it. Fuck these apps. Try. So I invited her to go on a trip with me on my birthday. I just threw it out there like, yo, my birthday. I'm going to Palm Springs. Come with me. birthday i just threw it out there like yo my birthday i'm going to palm springs come with me

so she come and uh she was like where do you want to eat for your birthday i was like oh we can go to this hibachi place it's like this popular hibachi hachi hibachi place in palm springs it was in a hotel but it's my birthday i'm like i want to eat some meat right so i'm sitting there faking to myself like oh like i'm hanging out with this girl, but I can't eat no meat on my birthday. So we go to the hibachi place. I get tofu, fried rice, all this other shit. So I'm thinking to myself, like I'm talking to her, getting to know her, and she telling me like, ah, I just can't date the guy that eat meat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So the next morning, we go to the breakfast spot, and we sit down down at the tables and it's like a little buffet and it's like bacon over there and shit like bacon over here like meat sausage links

so i was like oh i'm gonna go get some fruit so i go over there i see the bacon turn around she was there like a fucking monster movie or something she was like did you just eat bacon i'm thinking like yeah i needed a piece i She was like, did you just eat bacon? I'm thinking like, yeah, I needed a piece. I needed to get a piece of bacon. So I'm sitting there thinking like. You can't have that in your life. I can't have that. But that's just that person.

I know. You just picked the wrong person. That's what I'm saying. It's trial and error. I can understand if someone says, I don't want to eat meat. I can understand if someone says, I don't want you to eat meat. And if someone says that I don't want to date someone who eats meat that's okay that's on you but you can't change who you are no i'm not gonna change i've tried to date two vegans and it just it can't work it's an ideology

it's not as simple as a diet it's not like someone's eating keto it's an ideology no i can't do that it's it's you know the singer maya no she old school like she ain't old school, but she's a beautiful singer, Maya. M-Y-A. She put that out. She like pro-vegan, and she was like, the smell of meat on a man's breath. She's like, no, I can't. Moby has this thing where everybody who works for him. No, not Moby, the other guy.

Morrissey. Morrissey has this thing where everybody who works for him has to eat vegan so he can't he won't allow the crew or any of the people that are involved i think that's true make sure that's true i don't want him to get mad at me but i'm pretty sure it's true because i knew some dudes who worked for him that snuck food into a hotel room they all met in one hotel room they ordered room service they're all eating cheeseburgers and shit. I can't, I can't, listen, I know some vegans that look fucking, they 45, they look 22.

Like young, skin glowing, it's perfect for them. And I'm like, that's, I mean, I see that and be like, man, damn, maybe I should stop eating meat. Listen, it's not, meat's not the problem. Meat is mostly just protein and water it's not the problem is not meat and you look at these studies like the china study which is not even a study it's a book the the real problem is processed foods the real problem is all the bullshit that people eat that people aren't eating real food but there's absolutely nothing wrong with grass-fed meat now Now, if you have a moral quandary

with eating sentient animals, I understand that. But you should probably also read some studies about sentient plant. Because plants are sentient. Plants, they don't have the ability to move, but they seem to be communicating with each other. They seem to respond to predation. There's plants that change their flavor profile when they find out that they're being eaten by bugs. Really? And they make themselves more toxic tasting. Yeah. Not only do they do that, but they have used sounds of caterpillars eating leaves and played those sounds next to certain trees.

And those trees, they will start to release these defense chemicals that make their leaves taste like shit. Acacia trees. Like if a giraffe is eating an acacia tree upwind and it comes downwind, those trees downwind will start to release the defense chemicals. So it won't eat them. So no one will eat them. It's amazing how fucking unique every creature is. All life. All life wants to survive.

Do you think we stop evolving? Will humans evolve even more? I think we 100% are currently evolving. It's just a slow, gradual process. What is next for humans? Unfortunately. Unlocking more parts of the brain to be more intelligent i think unfortunately biology and technology are going to mix and that's the next

stage of evolution have some real meta humans yes that's what i'm i'm really sure that that's what's going to happen but i mean not 100 sure because the thing that could throw a monkey wrench into that is some sort of a natural disaster, like an asteroid impact, super volcano, some sort of a reset. Yeah, a reset. I mean, we've had those. I feel like I've been obsessed with reading the great resets and a lot of things that have happened. And, you know, they claim that technology was actually here before it is now. Oh, 100% it was.

And then some of the people that survived just wasn't smart. Well, it's not just that. It's like the way you had to survive was barbaric. Like if you go back to the Younger Dryas impact theory, that's the most fascinating one. Which one is that? And that's 12,800 years ago. They believe that Earth was hit by fragments of comets

and it probably destroyed most of civilization it they but there's a guy named Graham Hancock and a guy named Randall Carlson and they've spent years and years working on this with legitimate scientists like if they do core samples when they take a core sample of the earth when they go down to 12,000 years they find a high level of iridium which is very rare on earth but very common in space and that's also, they find a high level of iridium, which is very rare on Earth, but very common in space. And that's also what they find when they look at the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs

near Chichen Itza, in that area. They find that too. This level of iridium indicates that something hit, and that there was significant levels of it around 12,800 years ago, which also coincides with the end of the Ice Age. And these folks believed that the Ice Age ended abruptly, very quickly, with massive floods. And that's probably where the flood of Noah and the Ark comes from and the stories in the Epic of Gilgamesh and all these different ancient tales.

I wonder how many people on Earth there was at that time. They were probably very, very sophisticated. If you look at the pyramids and you look at some of the structures in Egypt and all that stuff in Northern Africa, what those people were doing is unexplainable even today. I don't give a fuck what any... I've read every fucking theory

on how they built those pyramids. The Great Pyramid of Giza has 2,300,000 stones in it. Some of them are between two and 80 tons. Some of them are cut from a quarry that's hundreds of miles away. That pyramid is shaped perfectly. If you fucked up a quarter inch there, a half inch here, by the time you get to the top, that thing's a mess. But meanwhile, it's not. It's perfect. It's also perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west. And they're not really sure how old it is. They think it's, they dated to 2500 BC, but that's just because of organic particles that they pulled from inside stones. But they also say that they probably could have sealed those stones and resealed those stones over time.

You're dealing with a gigantic mystery of unfathomable proportions. That's crazy. So if there was a civilization, and let's assume there was, that was thousands of years old in Egypt that was capable of doing things that we're not capable of doing today, what kind of technology were they working with? That's what I'm saying. We really don't know. Now, if something comes along like that Younger Dryas impact theory and just fucking asteroids everywhere, boom, boom, knocks the whole population of the world down to 100,000 people or a million people,

maybe there's like a billion people on the planet and nine out of ten of them are dead. How many of them know how to build a pyramid? That's what I'm saying. They all from Mississippi. Yeah. They survived. Well, you know, that's the story of the Amazon rainforest too.

Do you know the story of the Amazon rainforest? The Amazon rainforest used to be thriving with cities. And they found that out very recently because of something called LIDAR. And LIDAR is this thing where they fly over the jungle and they have this light emitting radar that goes down and it finds all these Grids like some predator shit. Well, it's sort of yeah It's like it well, it's super sophisticated technology that allows you to survey areas without doing actual excavations So they don't have to excavate the land, but they they fly over and they see irrigation, they see grids that matched out cities.

They think the Europeans came through and killed everybody with smallpox. And then the jungle just took over itself. And then what you see as the Amazon rainforest, you want to really freak out? That's a man-made rainforest. You ready for this? With all them fucking endocondas and all that?

No, all that stuff lives there. That's all natural. But the plant life, most of what the Amazon is from is from early agriculture that just got out of control after the people were dead. That's crazy. The Smithsonian is reporting on this. Look at this. The supposedly pristine, untouched Amazon rainforest was actually shaped by humans.

Over thousands of years, native people played a strong role in molding the ecology of this vast wilderness. Now, this is from 2017. Now, this is what they knew back then, that the native people had something to do with it because of a bunch of different plants that they have that they know these people planted. So here it says there, 500th anniversary of Christopher Columbus' voyage to the New World. The native people were transparent in the landscape, living as natural elements of the

ecosphere of the world, a world of barely perceptible human disturbance. Okay, that's not true anymore. That's what they used to think. Then they started using LIDAR. When they started using LIDAR, When they started using LIDAR, then they started finding evidence of cities. And Graham Hancock believes there was millions and millions

of people living in these cities that were in the Amazon. They just didn't have the antibodies to deal with the fucking European diseases. You think about what the Europeans, when they came over to America, they killed 90% of the Native Americans, all with diseases. You know, there's a

genocide. A lot of people think they just butchered everybody. They butchered a lot of people. But 90%? But 90% died from diseases. And that's the same thing with the Mayans. The Mayans just disappeared. Where'd they go? Well, if you read the stories of Cabeza de Vaca, A Land So Strange,

they talk about running into the Mayans. They talk about people with these incredible headdresses and these glorious buildings, this advanced civilization. Then they go back 100, 200 years. There's no one. No one's there.

Why? Because of fucking smallpox. Because everybody came through with diseases and all these people had no immunity to it. So they wiped out everybody. What do you think the natives was thinking when they first saw the motherfuckers come over? because everybody came through with diseases and all these people had no immunity to it so they wiped out everybody what do you think the natives was thinking when they first saw the motherfuckers come over imagine seeing a boat imagine seeing one of those apocalyptic right yeah exactly and then you see somebody you've never ever seen yeah wild and you don't know what to do

you don't know what to show i greet these and what do they think what is christopher columbus and i'm thinking oh dude have you ever read some of the depictions that some of the priests that travel with Christopher Columbus, like the things that Columbus's people did? It's horrific. Instantly? They just jumped off the bullseye and got to it? Dude, horrific. They were cutting people's arms off if they didn't bring them their own weight in gold.

Because they found gold there. Yeah. So they were like, where's this fucking gold? I'm like, why are you tripping about gold oh that's apocalypto oh my god oh this is that's that scene bro this is the scene when the boat shows yes imagine this shit bro yeah they just got done chasing long yes epic climax and then yeah and then they look out imagine mother I got goosebumps thinking about that shit

imagine that and that changed everything those motherfuckers from 1492 were responsible for the death of millions and millions

and millions of people we don't even know how many because it's South America look with the cross with the cross wow

it was probably pretty similar Mel Gibson is a motherfucker for creating this, bro. It was a good movie. Yes, it was. That's a good movie. Mel Gibson's crazy as fuck, but he was good. Yeah.

He was a fight fan too, huh? Oh, yeah. He loves to fight. See, that's another thing that I want to start introducing that to my series. Like, Chris Pratt follows me on Instagram. Like, putting these guys on the channel and them talking about their passion for fighting. Like, it's a lot of people that – MMA is a fucking amazing sport, man. Like, I truly, truly didn't give a fuck about this sport when I first got a part of it.

I just thought the fighters were cool. But now, like, I'm so happy to be a part of this shit. It's an amazing sport. It's a sport like no other because they bear their souls in a way that no other athlete bears their souls. Think about this. There could never be anatomy of an NBA player. other because they bear their souls in a way that no other athlete bears their souls you know think about this there they could never be anatomy of an nba player like lebron i'm not giving you access to to do no this shit like this these guys are billionaires uh mlb like only this sport can uh produce this amount of storytellers when i first came on this podcast you know how many young

filmmakers hit me up saying, man, I'm inspired by you to do this? This to the next generation. Like, it's going to be so many more storytellers that, you know, might end up on this podcast if they create the brands.

Like, a lot of these young guys are just working for fighters. They videographers. Izzy got his own guys that are talented. But it ain't nobody creating a series like what I did,

and it's hard now. Because when I first started, people saw the access that I had but didn't understand how hard it took to build the trust and the relationships with these people. Now these guys are like, I want my own YouTube channel. See, the thing is people like you. The difference is you're fun to be around around yeah people enjoy your company and they trust you yes because you have very strong morals and ethics so that they know that if

will Harris is fault like they're cool being around you and it's yeah but it's also like we were talking about like anatomy of an NBA player the consequences of an NBA player is losing a game the consequences of losing a fighter so much graver. It's so much different. So there's so much more emotions. Yes, 100%. So much more on the line.

If you could, you know, like you were with Kamara when he lost. Yeah. You were in that. I mean, it's heavy shit, man. Yeah, if the Lakers, that's what's so passionate about this. If Kamara, if this was an NBA game and the Lakers lost to the Warriors, they may be like, oh, we play them in a month in Golden State. Exactly. Like, Kamal got to wait

half a year to get that get back. It might be more. You never know. What if something comes along? With Leon or him. What if someone comes along and they offer a big fight to Leon that is exciting and then Leon loses? See, this is my fear. A moment after the fight, we're at the house. So Kamal and Ali go to the hospital. See, this is my fear. A moment after the fight, we at the house.

So Kamal and Ali go to the hospital. Everybody, it's a fucking funeral in this fucking mansion we in. Everybody waiting on Kamal. I'm talking about nobody talking. I'm sitting there packing up, getting ready to leave. Kamal comes in. What the fuck is

wrong with y'all? Bro, I was beating his ass. Like, I'm cool. Like, what the fuck? Like, calm'all bro i was beating his ass like i'm cool like the fuck like calm down so he like what you doing like to me he like where the fucking camera at pull the camera out i'm like what yeah he's like pull the fucking camera out he's like bro i'm gonna beat his ass when we fight again i'm cool like hey everybody you know his mom's sad his dad in there i got all that footage that i'm gonna use for the like i like, I got some shit I'm going to release that, you know, I just ended that film with, like, see you soon. You know what I'm

saying? Like, because it's like, for me, like, to see that moment and capture it and be so close to the guy is powerful. I don't think, if I was with LeBron and his 50 managers, it's not the same type of intimate

access. People always ask me like, man, you should get a bigger crew. And I'm thinking like, it wouldn't be the same. If I had a sound guy with me and a PI and Kamal just want me and him to be in a fucking truck and just, he talking to me, but he ain't talking to me. It's like you're there with Kamau in a car. That's the same thing with podcasts. I have friends, and I go and do their podcast,

and they got five people in the room. And dudes are clipboards, and people are shouting out suggestions. I'm like, bro, you're ruining your own show. You're ruining your own show because you want it to be big. Because everybody wants a bunch of people there working buttons, and it looks professional. I'm like, you want a skeleton crew if you're going to have a conversation. You just want two people so they can connect.

Same thing with you and a camera. When you're in there hanging with those guys, that's our friend Will. That's not like some weird guy who knows what he's going to capture. Be careful around this dude. Don't say anything. You know, that's a big part of what you capture that other people are not going to be able to get. They don't have your personality. That's a factor. No, it goes a long way it goes a long way everybody loves you it goes a long way even dana yeah my motherfucker yeah well i i think because i don't

ask for shit also the footage is so good and you gave him the footage of connor throwing that dolly at the fucking bus you know what's funny about that? You know me and Conor got into a Twitter spat. In a civil. No, it was over Khabib legacy. You can Google it. Just Google Conor McGregor and Will Harris. You'll see the whole Twitter thread. What was it about? It was civil?

You gotta see it. It was civil. He gave me my due. Oh, that's nice. He just went back and forth. That's how much people like you. Even Conor. Even Conor. Even Conor. You just put Conor McGregor, Will Harris on Google, you'll see, like, the conversation they went.

He deleted all the tweets. Oh. Because, you know, he popular for that. Yeah. You see Conor recently with that motherfucking belly roll he was doing? The breathing shit? No, he was doing that? Oh, my God, Conor.

Like Hickson? Like Hickson Gracie does? That shit? He was just breathing shit. Like, I don't know what Conor be on Hickson? Like Hickson Gracie does? That shit? Just breathing shit. Like, I don't know what Conor would be on. He'd be crazy, bro. Interesting. Look, here it is right here.

That's the door. That's your side. I never missed weight. I think it is. Pulled out once. Yeah, here it is. There's more. Yeah, there's more.

Let me just read that. That's your side. I never missed weight or pulled out once. And I ran through the division the process finishing with the fastest ko ever in a ufc world title fight my weight rise was done flawlessly we will disagree on legacy yes as his one is already toast what that was his legacy toast yeah so screw your hair what so uh it showed me what i said. I said he was just good. Never moved up in weight class despite almost dying trying to make weight.

Pulled out of fights multiple times. Retired early. All of which lead him to a good fighter, not great. He'd a good few months. That's it. That's crazy talk. That's crazy talk. And then that's how I end it.

Like your content. It's solid. Have a good day. God bless. All right. Conor didn't go crazy. All right. That's crazy talk And then that's how I end it Like your content It's solid Have a good day God bless Alright Connor didn't go crazy Alright that's good I thought he was gonna be like

Fuck you motherfucker He probably wasn't doing coke You and the rat Like you know how he always is You fucking rat Yeah Fuck you So I was like damn

Oh that's good Yeah that was Listen man You can't say Khabib's not great That's crazy talk Yeah you gotta be nuts That's crazy He. Yeah, you got to be nuts. That's crazy. He's 29-0, stormed through the division.

The only person who even tagged him was Michael Johnson. He's the only person who tagged him. They're mad that he left because look how exciting a Charles Oliver Khabib fight would be. Oh, my God. Or Michael Chandler. Yeah. So people are mad they don't get to see that. And listen, they always say these fans want to see you leave not clean,

not on your own. They want to see you done. They want to see you damaged after it's over, too. The sport retires you, and you don't retire from the sport. They also want to see you hurt after it's over. And he never even bled. So they don't feel bad that they didn't live this life of glory that you led. I mean, that's just the haters.

Even fighters do that to Khabib. Like, oh yeah, he got out early. What did he have? 13 fights in the UFC? He had a lot. 29 overall fights. I think something like 13 in the UFC. And then he left. And he beat everybody. And he left. He beat everybody that was there.

And he did what he said he was going to do after his father retired. He told his mother he'd have one more fight. Beats Justin Gaethje and that's a wrap. Well, even Hamza just said recently that his mother don't watch his fights.

They don't want to see him in that way. They don't understand that culture is different. And he, Abdulmanap is gone. His mother don't want him to fight anymore.

Let him retire in peace. Yeah, let him retire. Listen, Andre Ward is a great example that in boxing they offered andre ward canelo avarez after he knocked out kovalev and he's like nope i think i would serve boxing better as being a two division world champion gold medalist in the olympics undefeated and retired all of his faculties intact and a great commentator when you hear that guy talking i'm hearing a guy like it has been punched in the head too many times.

You're hearing a smooth, articulate, intelligent guy who's got his life in order and is disciplined. And he's so disciplined that he passed on millions of dollars to fight Canelo. Millions. The most lovable, the fighters with the biggest fan bases have lost and lost repeatedly. And they just can't stand. Like, listen, we stand like listen we got Floyd and we got Khabib everybody else done lost Canelo lost twice

now so it's like they didn't challenge themselves enough to fight long enough and it's like Khabib said it the best brother if I keep fighting I'm gonna lose like I'm gonna lose it's not like he's saying I would have never lost the fans would say that nobody would have beat Khabib but he like if I fight long enough I'm gonna to lose. I'm going to lose. It's not like he's saying I would have never lost. The fans would say that.

Nobody would have beat Khabib. But he's like, if I fight long enough, I'm going to lose. I end up just like Kamaru. Somebody's going to catch you eventually. Your day will come. Michael Chandler, one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC. Now he's two and two. So you can lose and still be exciting.

He lost in Bellator too. You go back and watch him fight in Bellator. He had wild, crazy fights over there, too. Who was that? Pitbull. Will. What's the Will guy that beat him? Twice.

Will Brooks. Yes. Beat him? Yeah. Stopped him. He basically gave up. Yeah. Like, that's his story.

That's his journey. Khabib had another journey. It's a different journey. GSP had a journey. Well, Michael Chandler is the die on your shield guy. Yeah. You know, he just comes out and fucking war. Face paint, ready to die on his shield.

That's his genius. He leveled up since he became a father, too. Like, it's something like you said about Charles, about having that purpose. Yep. Like, for example, film is my purpose. I don't have a woman that I love. I don't have a child. So it's like you're constantly trying to find your purpose.

But I think you would be good at that. I think if you did have a woman and you didn't have a child, that's why you're aching for it. You want it. Gotta get off those apps, Will. Get off those fucking apps. Maybe this podcast will lead to a good woman finding you. Okay, how about this? Let's do a trial.

Tomorrow? No, I ain't going to do a trial. You got to find the girl first. The problem is you're also a healthy man. You get horny. That's a problem. That's what I'm saying. That's why I know my testosterone is not low.

But it's crazy because I feel like God is cruel. They say like a man's sexual peak is in his 20s. Yeah. And a woman's is in her 40s. It's in her 30s for sure, I think. No. Is it 40s? You sure it's in her 30s or 40s?

I think they think it's in like mid 30s is when a woman is like the most horny. But I think it's also what it is with a woman is they're the most comfortable with their body at that point. That's true. And they're making better choices. They're more relaxed. Like they're not going to fuck a guy that they're not most comfortable with their body at that point. That's true. And they're making better choices. They're more relaxed. They're not going to fuck a guy that they're not really interested in, and so it'll be more intimate sex, and they're more free. But Instagram and social media has caused older women to look—

I'm way more attracted to older women than younger women. Women that take care of themselves that are older. Dang, fuck, ain't nothing— Because then they have a mind of someone with life experience. Yes. With a body that's hot. You get one of those 45-year-olds with a yoga mat and a Lululemon on going to the fucking...

They want to meet you. I do a lot of coffee dates. Those are the easiest, cheapest dates. If you're out there and you ain't got no money, go to coffee. Well, it's also the coffee date is good because there's no pressure. You're just sitting there and talking. And you see them raw.

Yes, and you see him raw. Yes. And you're not drunk. You know, you're not in some smoky or some dim lit restaurant where everybody looks better than they really do. I have,

I have wanted, like Rashad Evans wanted me to do ayahuasca because I literally said, he said, you should do it to truly try to find yourself in terms of what you want.

You might come out of it and not want to be in a relationship. You might want to be fucking a nomad. george clooney yeah just till he's in the relationship but he waited until he's 50 something yeah you might want to say i truly feel like i do want to do ayahuasca but deontay wilder just did it and he don't seem the same in what way he just seemed more docile and And it don't look like he got that rage. Maybe that's outside of the...

I've seen him hitting mitts and training them. He looks docile hitting mitts? I just don't see that old Deontay Water. He's totally different. I think that what Deontay's trying to do, because I follow Malik King Scott on Instagram, who's a fantastic trainer and a very interesting dude very interesting dude

very smart guy and I think what he's trying to get Deontay to do is to not concentrate on having the big bomb all the time because the big bomb

is always going to be there turn him into a boxer exactly the big bomb's always that dude has power from God God yeah that one right hand

he hit Ortiz with and Ortiz is like lying on his back see like what what he's got him what Malik King Scott that one right hand he hit Ortiz with, and Ortiz is like lying on his back. See, like what he's got him, what Malik King Scott's got him doing is movement and making sure that his footwork is in order and that he's circling away from the power hand and that he's using his jab and using feints and using good defense. So what he's got him, and I follow both of these guys religiously,

what he's got him doing is just concentrating on technique. The power's always going to be there. Yeah, that ain't going nowhere. It's always going to be there. But if he can add more technical proficiency, I mean, think about it. He had Tyson Fury fucked. Even in the last fight. In the last fight, he had him more fucked than he had him ever before.

Yeah, he knocked him down twice. I thought if it was seconds left, he probably would have ended that if it was any other person Yeah gypsy he he's a bad motherfucker that guy is a bat. Did you see that video they made to Usyk Usyk middleweight? Yeah, fucking bitch Fucking crazy, but no Deontay seems happier. That's the same thing with Rashad Evans He doing it the Iowa bro. He just so fucking happy and peaceful and I'm thinking like I Deontay seems happier that's the same thing with Rashad Evans he doing that the Iowa bro he just

he's so fucking happy and peaceful and I'm thinking like I don't I feel peaceful but I'm like Rashad recommended me I do it

to like maybe find myself a little bit I don't think you should fear finding yourself I don't think I don't I don't think you're gonna

lose your drive I don't think that's gonna happen I mean I've done a lot of psychedelics I might come out of that motherfucker and wanna be a rapper maybe I don't think you're going to lose your drive. I don't think that's going to happen. I mean, I've done a lot of psychedelics. I might come out of that motherfucker and want to be a rapper. Maybe. Maybe you want to do stand-up comedy. I'll bomb.

I ain't got no. Let me open up for Brendan. I'll bomb. I could care less. Trust me, I have some type of bit about fucking somebody. And then that'll be it. type of bit about fucking somebody and then that'll be it but i used to be i used to like years like two years before i decided film was it i was trying to be a rapper really i had a song and everything no shit it was called blame it on that wine was it good is it out there can i can

we download it oh it's on youtube if you just put in like Will Harris. Should we listen to it right now? Nah, man. But the hook, it was like, a long night led to an early morning and shit. I just woke up. I don't know this chick. Man, what was I thinking? Man, what was I drinking?

Because this chick ain't fine. I blame it on that wine. It's on YouTube somewhere. It's on YouTube. So how much did you pursue it one of my friends was honest with me and i gave it up thank god i listen to people they give me advice i'm one of them people even in editing like if i'm like doing a project for somebody neighbor like i think you should change this i'd be like no but i'm am am gonna change it. I just am stubborn.

Right. So if you tell me that I shouldn't be doing something, I'm gonna listen and probably do it. I'm just not gonna let you know you got that power over me and control me.

But, yeah, yeah, yeah. Six months of my life, I was a rapper. I thought I was gonna be the man, too. Studio time. We were talking before the podcast that that life is dangerous. Nah, fuck that. That life is dangerous.

I fear for it, man. There's a lot of people in that life that are involved in beefs. And it's like, man. Or they don't want to leave. They feel like I have to have this image. Right. See, this is the, like, it's not easy being a black man in America, man. Like, I don't give a fuck what nobody say. Like, I'm black. I wake up every day.

I go to Lifetime Fitness every day in Vegas. When I get in my car and I'm driving and I see a fucking state trooper sitting on the side of the highway, I'm worried about him. What the fuck is wrong with me psychologically that i'm a 40 year old man this successful ain't never been in jail or nothing and i'm still looking through the rear view like fuck or if if a cop is behind me my fucking stomach drop that's a crazy way to live and then like i said on top of that if i walk into a fucking bar and it's a whole bunch of brothers in there and i'm kind of like, damn, should I leave? I don't know these motherfuckers. That's a problem.

Like that. You got to have that. Like psychologically, we fucked up. Psychologically, we fucked up to where we obsess with materialism and we sexualize everything. Like I can admit that as a culture, we fucked up. And as a person, I can admit that as a culture we fucked up, and as a person I'm fucked up. If somebody gave me a million dollars, other than buying camera equipment,

I would want to probably go buy something that's shiny so I can look more important than I probably am. And I think that's a problem in our culture, maybe because we come from just poverty. Like, where I'm from, Carmel, it's 20,000 people. I looked at these statistics the other day. 11.9% I think is the poverty rate. Don't quote me on that.

Trust me, bro. Sources, right? Where I'm from is 49%. It was. It might be 49% of people are in poverty. Where I'm from. So half the town. Like, it's only been a few people make it from where I'm from.

Like, I don't supposed to be here in life. That's why I always have a joke and always say, I've already won. I went from this town to college, got two degrees, pursued basketball until I couldn't anymore and realized that just wasn't a path life was going to take me then I tried other things and then I you know film was always there since I was 19 when I was 19 years old I had a camera but I didn't pursue it until I was 30 like I'm only a decade into this like Anthony Mandler my mentor somebody that you know I we're doing a huge project with anatomy a fighter through

bronze studio soon i can't really talk about it until it's really there but he always tell me like you're not even a teenager in this right in this fucking industry right i'm and i'm only five years into the mma scene imagine what it's gonna what imagine in five years am i gonna be on this fucking podcast five more times, four more times? We don't know. So for me, like, you know, I was joking, telling somebody like in two of the five years I've been a part of MMA, I've been on a Joe Rogan podcast. So that's pretty fucking wild. Bro, you just have Mark Zuckerberg on here.

Yeah. What the fuck? And I'm sitting in the same area. But I also had Hans Kim on yesterday, and he was homeless eight months ago. That's crazy. But that's how I like to do podcasts. I mean, Tyler Perry, that's my vision. Like, if people ask me, like, what's next for you?

There's only one Tyler Perry. There's only one black man that's out there creating opportunities for other African Americans and people of color in film. It's more, but Tyler Perry is the guy. That's my vision. Like, I want to be able to get to a point in my life where I'm giving opportunities to a lot of people, especially me being a black man in America telling our stories.

Like, I'm not going to always do documentaries about fighters. I want to do documentaries about fighters I want to do documentaries about so many social issues and things like that but I also want to tell movies fictional stories about our culture that I feel like don't stereotype us like they're positive like back in it remember boys in the hood remember higher learning uh menace to society um it was movies that really caused me not to want to fuck up and be in the streets because they were so impactful to our soul. You see what I'm saying?

It was black love movies like Love Jones and The Best Man and things like that. Remember Boomerang with Eddie Murphy? Yes. One of my favorite movies of all time. Great fucking movie. You know why it was one of my favorite movies of all time? Not only because it was funny as shit, but it was a representation of black people in higher roles. Look at the job that Eddie had and Robin Givens and all of these people. They were like dressed in suits and beautiful. Nobody was

ignorant in the movie. To me, I feel like there's not enough of that out there. Every movie that's put out by our culture is like stereotypical, making fun of us, laughing at us. And I feel like it's people like me that can create these type of stories. And, like, with the help of, like I said, my mentor, Anthony Mandler, I feel like I can get there. Well, also, what you're saying, too, is that you yourself feel trapped in that materialism thing where if you got money, you'd want to show people in flashiness. That comes from poverty. 100%. Look at Conor.

Yeah. Who's more flashy than that motherfucker? He's always driving around in a Rolls Royce, showing everybody his watch, showing everybody his Bentley, showing everybody his Lamborghini, his yacht, his this, his that. It's like you're always showing people because you're trying to fill that hole up that you had from poverty. But do you think that's our country? Because I don't... Yes. Even though Dubai is wealthy,

it's ridiculous. I'm not thinking about moving over there to that area for wealth. I'm thinking about moving over for opportunity. I'm not thinking about I need to be driving a Bentley here. I'm just thinking like, yo, I want to tell some stories. And I feel like that's why I need to get away from here for a while.

I won't like permanently be gone. I still have a place here. I just want to have a place over there and I can just go back and forth throughout the year. Maybe be here a month, go over there a month. Well, it sounds like you've got a plan in that regard. I'm doing it. And it sounds like a good plan.

And there is a lot of shit going on over there with MMA. There's a lot of stuff. I don't know about the cricket baseball thing. I've always said that baseball would be the hardest sell if it didn't exist because there's so much downtime. It is tough. It's so boring. But, see, that's the thing that my man Cash and him are trying to do

is to pop, like, cricket game. Have you ever seen a cricket match yes like a rivalry how crazy it is yeah they get crazy there's entertainment it's things like that like i think like some of his partners went down to panama and saw the games down there and between innings they fucking dancing and there's a concert and girls shaking and shit and all this they want to do that with baseball they want to kind of not over there in that part of the world women shaking and shit you know that ain't going on. But, like, just have it more entertaining to where they can popularize it.

It might not work. It might. But they looking at it from a standpoint of cricket and baseball is kind of similar. And they want to build it from the grassroots, not from, like, taking pro players and bringing them over there. Like, build a foundation from kids. Get them involved in baseball and try to see that part of the world if it can work. It's hard. It is. It's an American pastime, and it's not that exciting.

And it's born here. And meanwhile, soccer is exciting, and they have a hard time selling that. We went to see soccer in Austin. They have an Austin stadium. It was fucking great. It was the first time I've ever seen a live professional soccer game. I'm like, this is wild. This is a fun sport.

And it doesn't catch on over here. And that's crazy because that's an easy-to-watch thing. Baseball's not easy to watch. It's easy to watch for us because we grew up playing baseball, grew up watching baseball. It's a national pastime. It's normal. It's boring as fuck to me.

It's boring as fuck. It's boring as fuck. Especially when you watch MMA. I mean, I took my friends to – we did the trifecta in Vegas this weekend. It was amazing. We went to see Abu Dhabi during the day. We saw the jiu-jitsu match. Saw Gordon Ryan dominate.

Then we went to the UFC. Watched that Gregory Rodriguez, Chidi Njigwani fight. Woo! I watched that again today in the gym. Gregory Rodriguez is made out of metal That dude is made out of metal Did you see the fucking Crazy

They said that was an artery Yeah You can see it through If that cut Yeah They said It was an enormous artery That you could see in the middle

The human body is crazy It's crazy That it just barely missed that artery I mean that would have just been gushing That's what I'm saying What would have happened if that would have cut It would have been gushing out of his face. They would have never been able to stop that blood.

Oh, my God. You see it when they open it up? Oh, my God. Jamie, see if you can find the one. But that's good. The one Dana posted? Yeah. There's an image that Dana posted where it's opened up, and you can see inside where it's

so gross, they're blurring it out. There it is. There it is. In the middle. That's it. Right there. You just had your cursor on it, there it is in the middle. That's it, right there. You just had your cursor on it. There it is right there. That's it, that's good there.

Click on that. I don't want to. No, no, no, click on it. See, that thing right there that you see, that is an artery. That tube, that little tube right there, if that thing burst, that would have been spraying blood. Spraying blood. If you don't get a hold of that quick, you can fucking... Oh, yeah. Well, your neck

ones. I mean, I don't know if that one would make you bleed out, but for sure it'd be a real problem. They'd have to put pressure on it, and they'd have to... I mean, I never saw a cut like that before. And Chidi caught him with the perfect knee. And I thought that Rodriguez got hurt more than he did.

I watched it again today. It was a bad cut, but he barely got wobbled. That dude is made out of metal, and that motherfucker has endurance like nobody. People be tagging me saying I look like him when I ain't got no beard. No. What the fuck is wrong with these people? That guy's a tank, man. He's a real tank.

They different over there, man. He's so fucking tough. I mean, he's just a unique individual. Speaking of that, speaking of Pereira, did you see him with the fucking? Yeah. I'm like, bro. Shooting bows and arrows at soccer balls. That dude is different.

He's like. He's scary. He's scary. That dude has nuclear power. He's got crazy power. Even when he was over in Glory, I was a big fan of his over in kickboxing. He was fucking everybody up in two different weight classes over there. Even at 205, he was knocking people dead.

That dude is terrifying. So if he goes out and do what a lot of people think he might do to Izzy again, does that do anything to Izzy legacy? No. Izzy's a human being. You can't take away from what he's done because what he's done is spectacular. I mean, look at what he did to Paulo Costa. Paulo Costa was running through everybody.

Walked down Yoel Romero. And Izzy just lit him on fire. Just lit him on fire. He never even had a chance in that fight. He was just getting outclassed. I think the Izzy of today is very different than the Izzy that fought Pereira twice. Both fighters. He's different now.

He's better. He's way better. And the thing about that fight that's so intriguing is that Izzy has five-round experience. He's got championship-level experience. He's got big-moment experience. He's got all these things. But Pereira's got that power. He's got that preposterous.

And everybody gets hit. If you're in a striking exchange. You see him spar with Glover? Yeah. Fuck. Wild. but Pereira's got that power. He's got that preposterous, and everybody gets hit. If you're in a striking exchange. You see him sparring with Glover? Yeah. Fuck. Wild. That left hook is ridiculous, man. The one he hit Strickland with.

And Strickland's got that weird style. He gives his hands up and he tries to pity Pat. Yeah, they were going at it. Look how big he fucking is. But one thing that's important to point out is, like, they are not hitting each other full blast. No, fuck no. They're just touching.

Yeah, they're touching. And that's one of the reasons why it's so good to have a guy like Glover and have a guy like Alex where you can trust each other. Yeah. Where these guys are just touching each other. I mean, they're getting after it. That's the end of the bell. They're getting after it.

And it was beautiful. Man. But those guys, that's a smart way to train, to touch each other. Don't blast each other. You already know you have power. You don't do the Sean Strickland shit and just beat the shit out of each other. Well, the beginning of MMA was all that. You go to the militia fight camp, all those guys beat the fuck out of each other.

The early days of so many different camps, they just all beat the fuck out of each other. That's what everybody did. Down in Thailand, that's what they said they do still in brazil shoot the box that's uh those guys would knock each other out in training every day all the time and then they'd be back the next day i've witnessed i've witnessed listen i will never in my life put none of that footage out maybe in 50 years or something or 20 i've definitely seen some people get their ass knocked out oh yeah and it's weird to film it and be like damn you, you got to fight next week. You know what I'm saying?

It's been where I'm like, hopefully he win, and then they win, and you'll be like, fuck. You know what I mean? I know dudes who got knocked out twice in camp, and then they had a world title fight. Did they win? No. No, not the dudes that I know.

So years ago you told Brandon on this podcast that he shouldn't yes like when do you feel like a fighter should walk away like for example me and him i was friends with him so i knew that he wasn't really committed and also i trained with him a few times and i knew that it was his his lust for training wasn't there and his I was worried that neurologically he was suffering because you could only get KO'd so many times and I had personally seen him get KO'd a few times and I knew he'd been KO'd in training and I knew he'd been fucked up playing football I mean he played football since he was a child like it was there was too much head injuries it's too many I'm like there going to come a point in time where you have to stop, and now is the best time to stop.

You already have a career. You're doing podcasting. You're doing well. He was making more money doing podcasts than he ever did fighting. I'm like, dude, you've got it out right now. You're a funny guy. You're fun to hang out with. I mean, he might not have the best stand-up, but talking to the dude,

he's a funny dude. He's got a great personality. He's fun to hang out with me might not have the best stand-up but talking to the dude he's a funny dude he's got a great personality he's fun to talk to it's just it's so hard for people to walk away because it's their identity their whole identity is wrapped up and being a fighter that's true it's it's so fucking important to have people in your life that's honest with you yes like i got like my best friend i keep talking about like he that's the one person that can be honest with me. Like you telling Brendan that, like or just being honest enough to say you need to polish up your stand up. Like a lot of people surround themselves with yes man. Like that comfort, right?

It's so important to have people that's going to be honest with you. It's so important to have people that's going to be honest with you. It's very important. And that's the reason why I have people on speed out that I can call. I can call Rashad. I can call Kamal. I can call Eddie Alvarez. I can call Anthony Mandler. I can call my friend like and they can just be honest with me. Like I will literally tell them what I'm thinking. Yeah. I might not. I might receive the information and use it later down the line but i just need to know like i got guys that are married happy like i just fish for information anything that's my therapy i don't feel like i need to go waste money to talk to some random

motherfucker sometimes you do right ain't nothing wrong with there because everybody keep telling me like therapy is the way to go but i feel like it's important to have people in your life that's going to be honest with you especially if you're not honest with yourself and a lot of people have a hard especially like guys who like full-on achievers who are always kicking ass they eliminate all the negative fuck that i'm i'm a killer i'm the best i'm the best i'm the man and that is what fuels them and that's what keeps them going but that's also what can fuck you up if it's not reality that That's fucking me up. Like, I wake up every day with, what can I create? But that's good.

I know, but it's like, you got to have something outside of that too. Like, you got to have some type of purpose. Like, when you say get off the apps, it's like, I got, yeah, I can go film a fighter for a couple days and then edit all day, but you got a lot of free time. And I need, I feel like I need another hobby. Like, even if it's a stand-up. I'm just playing.

I'm not playing. But, I don't know. I feel like I need to figure out another hobby. What about jujitsu? I know everybody keeps telling me. I got bad fucking knees though, bro. How bad are they? My left knee bad. Yeah. I need an MRI just to see. I need to strengthen. Kne fucking knees though, bro. How bad are they? My left knee bad. Yeah. I need an MRI just to see. I need

to strengthen. Knees over toes guy. That guy's amazing, right? I need to reach out to him and just say, yo, bro, listen, my left knee fucked up from basketball. I don't really train it. Have you ever got stem cells into it? I need to. Yeah, I can help you with that too. I need some stem cells. I wish I'd known. It's fucking weak. I wish I'd known it was

that bad. I could have arranged it while you're here this week. How many days are you here for? I'll leave today. Yeah, I'll leave today. Well, have you ever been back here again? Maybe when I'm back after Abu Dhabi. Yeah, I'll come. I mean, it's a two-hour flight.

The other thing that's really great is other countries for that. You can get it in Tijuana. There's the CPI in Tijuana. They can do wild shit. Is that where Ian Heinisch went? Mm-hmm. He went there. A lot of—Eric Anders went there.

A lot of fighters go there. Some fighters go to BioAccelerator in Columbia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some fighters go to Neil Reardon's place in Panama. BioAccelerator's helping a lot of people. I know. They reached out to me about doing content for stem cells. I know.

But that was a while ago. That was a while ago. I bet they'd still do it. Yeah, probably. They have a fantastic reputation, But that was a while ago. That was a while ago. I bet they'd still do it. Yeah, probably. They have a fantastic reputation and that's a great facility. They'll do the MRI, the whole deal.

So what does stem cells actually do? Well, what they can do in America is very different than what they can do in other countries because in other countries

they can replicate stem cells. They can give you a much larger dose. So when you go down there, they're going to give you hyperbaric chamber treatments. So they'll inject you with stem cells. So they can give you a much larger dose. So when you go down there, they're going to give you hyperbaric chamber treatment. So they'll inject you with stem cells and then they put you in a hyperbaric chamber, which also accelerates the healing and accentuates all the therapies that they're doing. They can do IV stem cells down there. They just have more reign to do stuff that's effective. And the results are amazing.

I mean, you know, Eric Gander's neck was fucked up. And then he went out and down and got stem cell treatment. Now it doesn't bother him at all anymore. Really? Not at all. How long ago did he do it? I think it took him a few months before it really started feeling better. And then, bam, it was better.

Fuck. Yeah, it's not just him. My friend Gabe Tuttle, he was like on the verge of getting neck surgery. And he got stem cells here in Austin. And now it's not just him my friend gabe tuttle he was like on the verge of getting neck surgery and he got stem cells here in austin and now it's 100 yeah i need that in my left knee bad i bet it could help you a lot it's helped me it's kept being from like it's to the point where like you know like i could lift on it leg press and it feels like it just doesn't get it's like i'm using my knee to push it's just like thigh. I don't gain no muscle here. It's weird, bro.

Oh, that's not good. Yeah. I bet they can help you. Yeah. But get it now. Before it gets worse. Yeah, because as it gets worse, it's more and more damage to deal with. I mean, they might be able to fix it up.

That's what happened when I was telling them I went to the dentist. The pandemic had me addicted to Diet Coke. All that ass, two a day, three a pandemic had me addicted to diet coke all that ass two a day three a day just addicted to diet coke i went to the dentist they was like your gums is fucked up really yeah so i had to like pay like two grand and just get like this fucking gum restoration what do they do for gum restoration some shit like laser it's laser and it's some weird shit. It was crazy. They was scraping my fucking, I got to take, like, amoxicillin. I had to take amoxicillin for a week, all types of shit.

Yeah. It was pretty bad. And the dentist was like, stop drinking fucking Diet Coke. Wow. Diet Coke has that much of an impact on your teeth? Well, I was drinking it so much. But two a day doesn't seem that bad. Man, every day?

A fucking bottle? Every day? Like maybe once a week or a couple times a week. It's not good for you. It's not, bro. It's coffee too. But at least they can give you fake teeth. I know, you can buy those.

The fake knees, that's a rough commitment. They open you up. And Michael Bisping's got two fake knees. Oh, fuck no. Matt Serra's got a fake knee too. I'm not doing no knees. Matt Serra's 40 years old. He's got a fake knee.

I see Bisping was working out right after he got his fucking. I know. Well, you can do shit with those fake knees now. I know quite a few people with fake knees. Like run? Yeah, you can run. Bisping runs. I can't do that.

Did you see his documentary? Did you see Bisping yet? I was in it. Did you see it though? No, I didn't do that. Did you see that, his documentary? Did you see Biz Bing yet? I was in it. Did you see it though? No, I didn't see it. It's a good ass doc, you should.

But you know, that company, I'm sure it's good, I love that dude. That company got sued for UFC footage and it's about Biz Bing in the UFC.

Really? Yeah. They got sued? Yeah. So did they have to settle? Like what they did? I don't know if they settled, but they got sued. So they didn't get it cleared?

I guess not. Why didn't they clear it? You can clear it. Some people can't get shit cleared. I got a guy right now doing this. My man Cassius is doing a story on Tatiana Suarez, and it's through HBO. He got a movie called Hurricane about an MMA fighter with bipolarism, a fantastic filmmaker.

He's trying to get access with Tatiana to the P.I. And I guess HBO relationship with the UFC ain't that great. So he's having problems getting access to even go to the P.I. and film. That's too bad because even though that would be good for HBO, it would also be great for the UFC. Yeah, I always think. I don't understand that stuff. I always feel like exposure, exposure, exposure. Especially when you have exposure to something that's awesome.

It's like the more eyes on the UFC, the greater. Well, from what I heard is HBO did a piece on weight cutting one time that the UFC didn't like. And now it's like that relationship is severed. I would like to do a piece on weight cutting that the UFC doesn't like. Really? Yeah. I don't like weight now it's like that relationship is severed i would like to do a piece on weight cutting that the ufc doesn't like really yeah i don't like weight cutting yeah i think it's the worst problem in our sport i think it's it's right up there with steroids you see uh i think steroids is less is barely a problem now because you saw it you saw it so vigilant they're they're horrible

man they woke up paula costa at fucking 6 in the morning. They did the same thing to Volkanovski when he was in camp. Yeah, I remember that. Fuck that, man. Dan Kamal complained about it. Yes, fuck that. That's ridiculous. All that stuff is ridiculous, but weight cutting is horrible. And I think, I don't know how they're doing it at one FC,

and I don't think it's that effective because I think a bunch of people missed weight for the last one. Yeah, nine people. Yeah, that's not good. I was so happy Mighty Mouse won, and I like Adriano because i went and spent time with mighty mouse before the fight and he mouses the man he's a goat man he's the man if i mean there's a lot of goats like you said before but bro he's coming on soon i'm having him on i know he uh he's so good he he reached out to me and was like hey man you got joe number i said just dm him yeah he dm me he's so good man he's so good, man. He reached out to me and was like, hey, man, you got Joe's number? I said, just DM him. Yeah, he DM'd me.

He's so good, man. He's so good. When he was in his prime, dude, when he beat Cejudo in the first round, I'm like, god damn, he was good. I love that Cejudo was honest about that, too. Yeah. He was like, man, he humbled me. Yeah.

Cejudo ended up traveling the world to discover himself. That's how you become a champion. That's how you become a champion. You got to realize when you lost. He said, I couldn't beat him. I wasn't better than that guy. Yeah. You can't fake that you're better.

You have to be better, and you have to realize if you're not, I have to improve. Find out how to improve. If you got as good as you got, that means you can get better. Now, how cool is they training together? It's amazing. I love that about a spot. I love that, too. Cousin me.

Yeah? You hooked that up? I hooked that up. Nice. I hooked that up. I love what Fight Ready's doing. I really do. I think Cejudo up? I hooked that up. I hooked that up. I love what Fight Ready's doing. I really do. I think Cejudo is a brilliant mind for coaching.

Brilliant. I mean, he keeps talking about fighting again, but, you know, I talked to the UFC. He's getting skinnier. Is he? Didn't you see him this weekend at ADCC? He's not making 135 anytime soon. Not anytime soon. Maybe six months or maybe five.

He's not fat. I'll give him that. He's a lot less because what they do at New El Force One, bro, they have his ass look like fucking Gordon Ryan. Right. When he's shredded. You seen him pitch wings? Yes. So who don't shred it? Yeah. But it's crazy.

But we also got to understand I'm 40. It's not easy to lose weight as you get older. How old is Henry now? I don't know. He's got to be 36, 37, something like that. Yeah, if he's going to do it, now's the time. He keeps talking about it. He says he wants the winner of Aljo versus TJ.

I don't think they're going to give that to him. Why would they? There's so many people in that division. What if O'Malley beat Young? Yes. And then there's also the problem that as popular as Henry was, he wasn't that popular. It's not like he's selling a million pay-per-view buys.

He's not Conor McGregor. Now imagine Sterling or Dillashaw versus O'Malley. Exactly. What? Exactly. People want to see that. Or Jan versus Dillashaw. Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, those are big fights. Because Jan— All four of those matchups are great fights. I think Aljo won, but people can argue and say Aljo won that last fight. He won the last fight. Aljo won that last fight.

He shut everybody up. 100%. So what I'm saying is Aljo versus any of these guys now are big fights for Aljo. He proved himself. I loved it. He embraced the trolling for a whole year and then came out and made a statement. Yeah. And my thing with that fight against Jan year and then came out and made a statement. And my thing with that fight against Jan versus O'Malley is I asked Sean that.

I said, Jan is usually a slow starter, supposedly. Even Aljo was touching him up first round. Both fights. I'm like, how is he getting off? He's a slow starter. O'Malley, aware, this is a three-round fight. It's not a five-round round fight so I'm not expecting him to come out

and be a slow starter because like Sean said if he's a slow starter against me he's getting knocked out you let me hit you that many times you're getting knocked out

so I'm excited I'm excited for that fight because Jan is a fucking killer Jan's a straight killer and he's going to be angry and he angry he lost that belt because he was the interim

going into that fight remember he fought Sanhagen for the interim and he thought that he should be. And he angry that he lost that belt. He's very angry. Because he was the interim going to that fight. Remember? He fought Seth Hagen for the interim. And he thought that he should have been the champion. He thought he got fucked over in the first fight. But he did hit him with an illegal knee. Fact. And also, everybody said he was faking an injury.

The dude had a fucking disc replaced in his neck. 100%. That's a real serious injury. And to come back and win a world championship with a titanium disc in your neck. That's wild shit. That's what I love love about this sport all these fucking stories these comeback stories these these these unfathomable wins like sean o'malley is a big underdog right um hamzat versus nate who knows we don't know like know, but we don't know. Right? You know, they were saying that Nate was preparing for the takedown.

That was his whole idea with that guillotine. That's how he caught Tony. Yeah, he was ready for that. Which fucked Tony over because Tony was preparing for a striking fight. Yes. With the leech. So what, going back to our retirement talk. Yes.

Who has that conversation with Tony? Not me. If I was Tony's friend, I don't even know if I'd have that conversation with him. Because Tony is a headstrong guy. That's why he was so great. When Tony went on that unprecedented, undefeated run, my God, he was beating everybody. My God, he was good. And the universe didn't reward us with that fight.

No. The motherfucker of motherfuckers is him falling backstage, tripping on wires, and blowing his knee out. He almost did it the last fight against Lee. You don't see that footage of Lee? No, no, no, no, no, no. You didn't see that? He was trying to step over a court. Really?

Yeah, yeah. In Vegas at the fight backstage. Oh, my God. So it was, yeah, that's tough, man. Really? Yeah, in Vegas at the fight backstage. So it was, yeah, that's tough, man. Because, I mean, I talked to Kamau about that. Like Kamau knows the end is near for him. Kamau's got some fucked up knees. He does. It's amazing that guy fights as well as he has, the kind of pain that he has.

He told me that he had to walk on fucking grass because he couldn't walk on concrete because it hurt so bad i'm gonna listen i'm gonna tell you something i'm gonna show you something after we get off here okay and you will understand i kind of understand i mean he's told me a lot it's it's bad yeah it's bad Kamaru is self-aware. That's good. I mean, motherfucker walked backwards in the steps. I was in Denver with him a week before the fight. He'd be walking down the steps backwards.

Because it hurts. That's crazy to me. Isn't that crazy? And then goes in the fight. I got bad knees. So the fact that he walks, I've never walked backwards down no fucking stairs. But he get on that fucking airdyne. People think he don't do cardio.

He does cardio. He be in the pool. He has to do cardio. But he just don't. He doesn't run. And, like, when we was in Abu Dhabi when he fought Masvidal, that was, like, the first time I seen him run, run. Like, he was running sprints down the hallway before the fight.

Like, the blowout. Just running like him and Muhammad. Just running. And I'm like, damn, you fast. Like, you know what I'm saying? But he don't run it often. And obviously that's in a hallway with carpet and things on your knees. So his knees is fucked up. He got a lot of other injuries. Like, I'm thinking about it. He was going into that fight with hand surgery. It was, you know, I had documented doctor visits where they was like, if you fuck up your hand, like, it was to the point where Kamal was like, if I fuck this hand up, I might have to retire. Yeah. Like, that's how bad his hand was fucked up because you got to heal that hand.

Right. You see what I'm saying? And then everything you're doing is breaking the hand. It's breaking the hand. I mean, the whole sport is hitting shit and fucking, like, Canelo in this last fight, they're saying he's got a really bad wrist injury. Oh, he does. Yeah. Canelo has a really bad wrist injury where they're going to have to do surgery on it.

The meniscus in his wrist is all fucked up. And he's going to be out for as much as a year after this wrist surgery. Didn't he have his first pro fight at 15? Something like that. Like, bro, think about that. He been, bro, he just getting 40 million 45 every time god damn i know it was wild watching it live dave chapelle and i got seats right at the ring we were like right there right there the ring was right there it was incredible that's he's so

fucking amazing he's really good man he's really fucking good and he's cashing in like nobody on like gas yeah gas in mexico or some shit oh he owns gas station his house in mexico that's what i like i don't even know like khabib on hotels and shit does he he owned uh cell phones i'm like yo that's a different type of money man yeah smart though the money but this is the thing he don't care about it that's what's fucking amazing doesn't he drive a toyota truck not probably none thing. He don't care about it. That's what's fucking amazing about it. Doesn't he drive a Toyota truck? Probably none of them more. I've never seen.

Yeah, I've seen Khabib. I see Khabib. Every time he come to Vegas, he always take Ali cars. Yeah. They love G-wagons and shit like that. Yeah. That's what they all drive over there in the Middle East, G-wagons. There's so much wealth over there.

When I went to the Pakistan versus India, that's bigger than the Super Bowl. More viewers than the Super Bowl in the world. Really? Pakistan versus India. Soccer? No, cricket. Cricket? Cricket. Really? Bigger than the Super Bowl. More viewers than the Super Bowl. What? Yes. Pakistan versus India.

I saw about 80 Rolls Royce Cullinan trucks in the parking lot. I'm like, what kind of wealth is over here? Those are $500,000 cars. That oil money is a different money. That's crazy. Yeah, that's a different money. All I need is an Iranian princess or something, huh?

Someone in Dubai. Fuck, man. I mean, where is there more money than Dubai? Listen, Jeff Bezos' wife married a school teacher. That's true. Why she couldn't have met Will Harris? I mean, where is there more money than Dubai? Listen, Jeff Bezos' wife married a school teacher. That's true. Why she couldn't have met Will Harris? Fucking all this ambition I got.

All you'd be doing is like charity work and shit. That's all she's doing. Yeah, documentaries. Yeah. Fucking everywhere. I got an idea. Thailand, baby. Yeah?

Yeah, I was like, hey. Thailand's an interesting spot too, right? like how many people do their camps in thailand like i told you that the last time i would love to go down there remember when uh round tree was going there want some coffee sure is that a clean cup yeah of course what do you mean i don't know man what do you think we're gonna do to you i don't know what you're gonna put in in there. We'll wash it, man. It's coffee. Cheers, brother. Cheers, man. Cheers to... ICC reveals astonishing 2019 Cricket World Cup viewership.

225 million people watched it. 200 million on TV and 25 million on OTT. And I was there. What is OTT? I don't know. It's like an app or something? I think that just means like DVR, I think. Shout out to Cash Shake for giving me that access.

They wouldn't let me film it, though. They got a crazy contract over there to where you cannot film the actual game. That makes sense, though. Yeah, it's different. And that's the reason why I'm telling you, Joe, right now. I'm going to blow this series up if I can get over to that part of the world

and start telling those stories of all these people in Europe and the Middle East. It seems like you should tell stories about cricket players because it's already established. I'll do that, too. Do that.

Baseball. No, no, no, no. About fighters. Fighters. About fighters. Okay, okay. Because you're talking about that. Yeah Anatomy of a fighter. Baseball. No, no, no, no. About fighters. Fighters. About fighters. Okay. Because you're talking about that. Yeah, you know, listen.

So the biggest cricket player in the world, Coley, I think his name is Coley, K-O-L-I, cricket. Look how many followers he got compared to LeBron. Okay, let me guess. Let me say it. Coley. 95 million. Okay.

Let's go. Let's go. Cricket. Go to his Instagram. Coley. Yo. Yeah, here we go. 214 million.

Now what does LeBron got? Holy shit. 214 million. We're King James. No, that ain't real. That ain't real. King James. There you go.

There it is. That's it. Got more than LeBron. 132 million is nothing to sneeze at. I know, I know, I know. But still. But who has the most in MMA? Conor?

Conor. Yes. Conor. He's probably got 100 million, right? What does Conor have? And then Khabor. Yes. Conor. He's probably got $100 million, right? No. What does Conor have? And then Khabib got like $34?

$46? Yeah. And what Khabib got? $33. Yeah. Those lead in the pack. Wow. All right.

Let's go to the what John Jones got. I remember when Khabib had like half a million. I know. And then he beat Conor and had 20. Boom. Like that. Six.

Johnny Bones. Six. Dude, what do you think about Johnny Bones coming back? So... What do you think about this? Because this is exciting. This is interesting, right? It's taking a long time. It's taking a long time, but now he's 253 pounds your

big boy it is a rock face look meaty now giant huge and you know his jeans look at him yeah his brothers are all super look at him and his iq is insane off the charts his fucking iq the highest fight iq maybe ever right up there with mighty mouse yo he always renege on me he doesn't let you film him no it's just It's never been a no. What has it been? It's just been a, we're going to work. Listen, I just did a 30-minute film

on Sean O'Malley. I spent one day with him. I told Sean, I'm going to come to Phoenix from Vegas. I need you to do a lot of shit in one day. I flew in in the morning, left at 8 p.m. That's like Wilder. If you give me one day with a fucking fighter, I'm going to do a lot of shit in one day. I flew in in the morning, left at 8 p.m. That's like Wilder. If you give me one day with a fucking fighter,

I'm going to give you some HBO production shit, one person editing it, shooting it, and that's all I ask for. I don't need a week with Jon Jones. Give me one day. Jon's interesting. Give me one day. He does a lot of tactical shooting shit. Whoever breaks into Jon's house is fucked.

First of all, he's got that dog. He'll kill you. He'll kill you. He'll oh yeah first of all he's got that he'll kill you he'll kill you he'll kill you also he's got that fucking dog he's got a belgian malinois that is like very trained like as trained as they get like that dog those are little raptors those are the dogs they use overseas those dogs man you cannot have that dog and be like a regular person and just like leave it in the yard that that dog's going to jump the fence. Man, this motherfucker's so misunderstood. I got to get tapping to his brain. I just know how to pull that out of people.

What John is is the type of guy that does the type of shit that John does. Like when you open up a fight when you're the youngest ever guy fighting for the title and you open up a fight with Shogun with a flying knee. That's a wild man. He's a wild man. You know, I had a conversation with John when all this shit was going down with him. And I said, listen, dude, you are a wild motherfucker. And I go, and that's the type of guy that becomes the greatest of all time. You don't get to be the greatest of all time just being a normal person.

And I go, that's just who you are. I know you made mistakes. I know you've done stupid shit. But you're still the greatest motherfucker of all time, and you could show the world. Bounce back from this and show the world. He, I don't know what it is. It's like he constantly, like, the fans get on him

because he always posts his comparisons against Khabib. Like, I have more title fights than he had fights. Jon Jones, you are the GOAT. Khabib, his father said you're a gift from God. Pull up that quote from Abdulmanap about Jon Jones. He is a gift from God. Khabib ain't trying to compare to you. Right.

So you don't need to keep trying to validate yourself. It's us talking about it on the broadcast. But that's what I'm saying. He's getting trolled because he got to validate himself. Like, bro, you don't need to validate yourself I think it's just because he hasn't fought in a while and also because out of sight out of mind yeah yeah there's that and also because you know when you've had all these setbacks that those those things haunt you doubt you know all the shit that happened with him all the

terrible shit all that stuff fucks with him it It's gotta fuck with him. I just pray that somebody if John is listening to me, I hope he has a camera crew just documenting it all. Because you can't get this shit back. That's why I love documentaries more than anything. He doesn't need a camera crew. He needs you. He needs you to go do it. Because a regular camera crew is not going to capture

it all the way you can capture it. And then he's not going to trust them. Right. Exactly. And he's not going to vibe with them. He's not going to trust him. Right. Exactly. And he's not going to vibe with them. He's not going to have fun with them. And also, you will know what to capture. You have a vision of how to put it together. The film is already done. In your head.

Oh, my God. It is already done. Come on, Jon Jones. It's already done. Like, one, I promise you, if I spent one day with Jon Jones, it'd be his story. Well, let's make it happen.

We got to. I bet we can make it happen. One day. Give me one fucking day. But he doesn't have a fight lined up, unfortunately. That's the best time to get to stories. My most popular shit is the Dagestan Chronicles. 40-something million views.

Right. That was Khabib doing Ramadan. It had nothing to do with a fight. Right. Like, people love seeing these guys out of their element. The same one when I just did with O'Malley. O'Malley talking about how he owned property and this and that. And it's like I'm not built.

If you go look at anything I ever done, I'm not having a fighter talk shit about the opponent. I'm telling a story about the fighter. I don't give a fuck about. Trash talk. I'm not getting no money from the pay-per-views. So I need to just tell the story about you as a person. If you go look at those

YouTube comments, it's so many people that's like, I was not a fan of this guy until I saw this video. Yeah. And that's, if I saw one comment, that's all I cared about.

That was the effect that I wanted. Like, somebody saw something different in Sean O'Malley than hanging out with 6ix9ine and Jake Paul and Logan Paul or the Nelk boys. It's like I showed him as a person, his mom, his dad.

Think about that, bro. He gave me access to his family, his child, his partner, his mom, his dad, his coach. These fighters give me that type of access. They got to trust you enough to tell you the story. Because now so many videographers out there are part of this sport, and they're just putting music on video. It's like, tell a fucking story. Stop just putting rap music with a song, like with some footage and thinking it's cool.

Yeah, it's cool for Instagram, but is that going to matter years later? I still get comments on videos from four years ago because it lasts. Is John 35 now? How old is John now? He's got to be young. Well, he's fairly young. Kamau is 36. John's 35, which is prime for a heavyweight.

That's prime for a heavyweight. That's good time. I mean, Glover is the champ. What is the champ? Well, light heavyweight. Light heavyweight. 42. But Glover is a heavyweight. That's prime for a heavyweight. That's good time. I mean, Glover is the champ. What's the champ? Well, light heavyweight. Light heavyweight. 42. But Glover's...

No, Francis is what? 37? Yeah, Francis is like at least 37. So John is younger than Francis. Yes. Damn. Yeah.

Stipe's in his 40s, right? Stipe's 41. DC retired at what, 42? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. DC said he feel better now. Like Khabib, Khabib, brother, you could come back and smash all these guys because they said like DC actually feels better now than he did a couple years ago.

Well, it's because of the training, though. The training breaks your body down. And DC's had a bunch of back problems and a bunch of knee problems and all kinds of shit. It's like you realize you feel better, but that's also because you're not going through a camp. That's true. Those camps are fucking brutal, man. I wish I could have saw Askren in his prime in the UFC. Well, yeah.

Askren, when he was in his prime, was in Bellator. And he was manhandling everybody. They said he'd get a hold of you. Oh, my God. Because you see those memes. It was like Jorge Masvidal, if the knee didn't land. Yeah. It's like he's sweeping the floor. And it's like I always wonder, like, what would have happened if he wouldn't have landed that knee and Ashton grabbed him?

I think Ben was already on the way out the door, unfortunately, physically. Oh, yeah, because he lost the Maya, too. Yeah, he needed a hip replacement. He was already on the way out the door, unfortunately, physically. Oh, yeah, because he lost to Maya, too. Yeah, he needed a hip replacement. He was already—well, losing to Maya, though, Maya is such an elite, elite grappler. That's a bad matchup for him in that regard. Remember when he grabbed Kamau back? Yeah, he got fucked. The wizard.

He got fucked in that fight. Listen, I told you. They separated him. Kamau said, hey, I wasn't moving. He said one false move. separated him. Kamau said, hey,

I wasn't moving. He said, one false move. That's why when he, when he got tripped by, um, Leon and he fell, like he landed on his knee.

So that's what Kamau said, bro. So he said, I, like if you watch the fight, he was like, fuck. Yeah.

He said, I had to ride it out because one false move with Leon on your back, you getting choked out. It don't matter if you're the world champion or not. So he was like hand fighting. Yep. Because I was sitting there with my fucking heart beating when Leon had his back. Because I'm like, one false move and your ass is out of there. And Leon is very good off the back.

Leon is a fucking. He's a killer. People were riding me. I'm like, I was championing for Leon for years. I'm like, I was championing for Leon for years. Like Kamal said for years, like, my toughest fight in this division is going to be Leon Edwards. He said it publicly. Till fucking Hamzat came around, and now you got two people.

I feel like if it's me, because I can't beat Kamal, Kamal come back, beat Leon, just beat his ass like he was doing the three rounds you was. One minute left, run around that motherfucker like Adesanya was with Romero. Get away, get away, get away. Fight Hamzat. If you win, walk away. What's the point?

That was probably the trajectory he was on and retire the GOAT. But, you know, the Hamzat thing is interesting. We keep going back to this. But I don't know if the Hamzat at 170 is know the Hamzat thing is interesting we keep going back to this but I don't know if the Hamzat at 170 is the same Hamzat that we saw against Kevin Holland at 178 if he doesn't have to cut those additional eight pounds he's a fucking force of nature but is he big enough to compete and do that to guys like Izzy at 85 or Pereira. Kamau disagreed with me, and I don't want anybody to be offended, but I truly believe if Hamzat made 170 healthy, he's beating Leon Edwards that quick.

He might. Like, I don't think it'll last a minute. But the thing is, if he doesn't, if Leon survives, can he do three, four, five rounds like that? You can't.'ll last a minute. But the thing is, if he doesn't, if Leon survives, can he do three, four, five rounds like that? You can't. That's a sprint. But this is the point.

You said it on the podcast. He's wasting a lot of energy. Now, this is my theory about the COVID thing. After his coach said he's been, I think he comes out sprinting because he knows he doesn't have the gas tank. Because that second round with Gilbert, Gilbert turned it on. That was a three-round fight. Well, Gilbert's so fucking durable. I think Gilbert is the best all-around fighter in the world. He's so good. He's so good

and he's so tough. That motherfucker will fight anybody, too. Kamal didn't go on the ground with him. He did not have to fight that fight. He was number two in the world, and he took that fight against a guy unranked. That's the Jan O'Malley thing. You don't have to fight this guy, and you're giving this guy an opportunity to jump all the way over you. Right, but Jan is a little killer.

He doesn't want to hear any shit talking. He wants to fuck that dude up. He called him the Pink Poodle. That's his name. Sean embraced it, though. He's the Pink Poodle. Piotr Jan is a dangerous, dangerous man, and I think he's going to be extra dangerous coming into this fight,

but I think Sugar Sean is special. He is. I think he's special. He's special with his intelligence. He's special with his ability to land things. You know, when I first met him, I was talking to him. I was like, you don't have a background in traditional martial arts? Because you see him throw kicks, you would assume,

oh, this kid was like a karate champion or something. Nope. Learned everything all at once. I know you're busy. You've got to watch my film, I you're busy you gotta watch my film i sent you i will watch your film because his dad has a story in there where he says when he was 12 me and his brothers was watching ufc downstairs hiding away from his mom because she didn't want us to watch it and he snitched like he didn't even like mma like why y'all watching this violent stuff and

then it's crazy how he turned out, right? Yeah. Like, he's this fucking fighter. But they say naturally he went to a boxing guy and the guy was training a lot of people and naturally said he had it. Something special about him. I feel like Khabib is the best read on fights and fighters. His fucking IQ when it comes to fighters. When he was in the hall getting inducted, they asked him how good was O'Malley. Like, we was in, it was me, DC, Ali was backstage.

And Khabib was like, Sean O'Malley is that guy. And if Khabib said that, I was like, yeah, Sean, he really got it. He's special. He really has it. There's no doubt about it. But then you got to look at Marlon Vera. When Marlon Vera fucked him up. Fucking Cheeto.

Marlon Vera's a bad motherfucker. Cheeto is my motherfucker. When he knocked out Dominic Cruz like that, I was like, oh, shit. No, Frankie, too. Oh, yeah, Frankie, too. Yeah. It's like, and he's so fucking young. Yeah.

What is he, 28? 29? Cheeto's got to be around there. How is he that young? He's been fighting forever. You know, and he's super honest, too, man. He talked about when he first started training at Jackson Winklejohn. He was like, I was getting fucked up, man.

I was fucking terrible. He talked about how sad he was. It's like his first time training with real elite fighters. When he came up. Look at him now. Look at him now. He's one of the most dangerous motherfuckers in that division. He could be in a movie too.

He's got the movie star looks too, right? He's great. I love Cheeto. Yeah, I've been filming Cheeto for years. He's fascinating too because he's so disciplined. That fucking dude. He's fast after a right? He's great. I love Cheeto. Yeah, I've been filming Cheeto for years. He's fascinating, too, because he's so disciplined. That fucking dude. He's fast after a fight. Oh, yeah.

And he runs, like, 13 miles a day. That fucking dude's in incredible shape. He's so disciplined. 13 miles? Yeah, man. And he's big for 135. He's big. He just got power.

Big and strong and vicious power. Yeah. I saw Goggins say that in the post. I just did a 15-mile run and then I was like, 15 miles and then you come get on a bike? Well, Goggins,

that's nothing, man. That's fucking, 15 miles? My friend Cam Haynes, when he was training for the Bigfoot 240, was running a marathon a day. Every day he was running

26 miles. Every day. Every day. Every day. And he has a full-time job. What kind of shoes do you have to have for that shit?

I mean, he was wearing under Armour's at the time. It doesn't matter. He didn't give a fuck. That's Kobe boy, right? Cameron Hicks? Oh, Kobe. Yeah, they're from the same town. Really?

Yeah, so he's trained with them up there. Yeah, because he was living up in Eugene. Okay. Right where Kobe was. Okay. And Kobe would run the mountains with him and hit the gym with him just to try to get some of that endurance. I think he misunderstood, too.

Well, he's putting on a show. And the problem with putting on a show is people know you for that. You know, like if people know you as the Undertaker, you're the fucking Undertaker. But you talk to him in real life, it's like he's a pretty nice guy. That's what I love about Kamau. Even when he fought him, he was like, bro, you should go film Kobe, too. Like, Kobe thing, I hate him because I've talked shit about him. But I'm like, bro, just – but maybe they don't want to be humanized.

I don't think he wants to be humanized. No, he don't want to be humanized. Like Tony. Tony didn't want – Tony followed me on Instagram, though, so I was like, oh, that's a step towards the – you know what I mean? You ain't fighting Khabib no more. Because the shit that happened backstage, apparently what happened was when Holland and Hamzat got into it, this is the sources I heard.

Nate's guy, the coach or manager or whatever, broke it up. So he was subduing Hamzat. And when Nate and him walked in, they saw him standing next to Hamzat. And it was on sight for Nate and them because they didn't understand what was going on. So they started throwing water bottles at the coach. Now they're Hamza at the coach. And it made me think, like, it's clicky in MMA, man.

Oh, yeah. I mean, they're gangs. People get mad at me. They be like, you're biased. And I'm like, first of all, I came into this sport with the Black Zillions. Then when I moved to Vegas, I met Ali. Ali Abdelaziz has all the fucking fighters. I can't help it that you think I'm biased because Ali has the whole entire roster.

That's my brother. And I get to film fighters. I'm not. People be like, oh, you're on a payroll. I wish I was on the payroll. I wish Ali was giving me $20,000, $30,000 a month. I'll be dominant in MMA like a motherfucker filming. He got 100 fighters, so it's enough content for me.

So when people speak this bias shit, it's so weird to me, but they don't understand the clicky nature. Like, I'm not going to go to Kill Cliff MMA with Henry Hoofnum and then go over to ATT them every day. Like, it is a gang-like mentality in MMA. Also, they worry that you're exchanging information.

Yeah, it's so weird. You're like, oh, Kobe's got a bad ankle. Oh, this is going on. Yeah. Yeah, that happened a couple times with managers saying like,

oh, I'm on, I'm sneaking information and I'm sitting there like, bro, I just want to- You would never do that. That would jeopardize your relationships. Yeah, it'd end it immediately.

End it immediately. Like, everybody. That's one of the reasons why people know they can trust you is because you have a long reputation of being that guy. Yes. Yes, 100%. Big man. What you've done is amazing. Appreciate it.

Because you've gotten deep into these camps, and they're so comfortable around you. Yeah. You don't get to see some guy getting filmed by some stranger. No. You get to see a guy be themselves. And they're also the best versions of themselves around you. Yeah. You don't get to see some guy getting filmed by some stranger. No. You get to see a guy be themselves and they're also the best versions

of themselves around you. Yeah. When you're around someone you love and you're having fun with them, you could be yourself. 100%.

And then, you know, guys like Kamaru who have such amazing morals and he's got such an amazing character, he'll show you everything.

And still, like, he didn't have to come on this podcast and talk about how fucked up his knees were. But he does and he laughs everything. And still, like, he didn't have to come on this podcast and talk about how fucked up his knees were, but he does. He laughs about it. It's like, they're fucked up, Joe. He's like, my knees are fucked up. It's crazy that they're giving him shit for taking it so well, especially after your video with him. Yeah. It's like, why are y'all mad that he... You know, everybody does that. You know, Matt Hughes did that too. When Matt Hughes got

tapped out by BJ Penn, I remember interviewing him and i was like what an honest motherfucker he said honestly it's a relief he goes uh having everybody at your heels constantly it's like it's so much like this feels like a relief for me and he came back stronger than ever afterwards yeah that's gonna i think that's gonna happen to kamaru if he gives himself enough time to recover from that knockout the problem is he probably feels great now and he probably doesn't feel like there's anything wrong with him. But I ask him every day, like, are you hitting pads yet with Sean Soriano, his guy? He's like, no.

Because he said he's going to get tested in, like, next week in L.A., and I think I'm going to go capture that. You know, they just want to test, do some tests on him. Because think about it. Realistically, two to four more fights, you've got to be the best version of yourself. A hundred percent. And if you have to wait another six months or even a whole year. Like, look at Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Pacquiao.

Freddie Roach said, you're going to take a year off. You're not doing shit for a year. And it's the right move. You got flatlined. Yeah. I thought that possibly might have happened to Canelo. I was like, this is so eerily similar. Two close fights, they thought.

But then Triple G did not look the same. No, he didn't look the same. He looked like a real 40-year-old fighter. Fuck. And, you know, I was hoping that he was on the sauce. Something. Because he looked like he was a little saucy in his last fight. I was like, maybe.

You never know. And also, this looked like he was a little saucy in his last fight. I was like, maybe. You never know. Also, this is like the last chance. 40 years old, it's the last chance. 20 million, though. He made a lot of money. I'm happy for him. I'm happy he got that payday. Because that's it. He shouldn't fight no more. Well, I thought he won the first fight. I really did. I thought he won the first fight and the second fight was very close. Teddy Atlas

thought he won the second fight. But the second fight was arguable. And Canelo's just the second fight. But the second fight was arguable. And Canelo's just such a big fucking star. He's so huge. I mean, he's one of the biggest stars on Earth in combat sports, if not the biggest. Yeah, Canelo is... He's a monster. But look at his fucked up wrist, man. I mean, if that doesn't get fixed and he can't hit people,

I mean, with that wrist, that thing's got to heal before he can hit anything. You know, I mean, you've got to think about the impact that you have on your wrist every time you throw a punch. And if that's all you do is punch, it's not like you can, like— When was the last time he had a stoppage? Kovalev? That was years ago. Not Joe Kovalev? That was a couple years ago.

I think that was his last stoppage. left yeah a couple years ago i think that was his last stoppage what would you rank uh tyson fury and heavyweights if you had to give your like the list up there man he is up there he's up there it's hard because like how many i mean he beats he beats klitschko he goes on he retires he comes back he beats that one dude he fights wilder he gets a drawires. He comes back. He beats that one dude. He fights Wilder. He gets a draw with Wilder. Comes back and beats Wilder in the rematch. Knocks him out. Yeah, knocks him out again.

And then he just beat who he just knocked out? Dillian. Dillian White. Dillian White, which was amazing. I just don't feel like, other than Wilder, it ain't been a lot of great heavyweights in this era. Right. Other than the Klitschko. Right.

And he was on his way out. If he comes back and he beats Usyk, but Usyk is so undersized for that division. He's fighting Wilder, though. Is he fighting Wilder? Yeah, they agreed to it. Usyk's going to fight Wilder. No. No, Joshua.

Joshua, Joshua. Joshua's going to fight Wilder. Fury. Joshua's going to fight Fury, so he's not going to fight Wilder. He's going to fight Joshua. Joshua versus Fury. That's interesting. Because Fury. So he's not going to fight Wilder. He's going to fight Joshua. Joshua versus Fury. That's interesting. Because Usyk didn't take the terms.

You know Tyson Fury. He's so big for Usyk. So he offered a 60-40 split and Anthony Joshua accepted. Wow. He said, fuck it, I'll take it. When is that fight? Supposedly December 3rd. Ooh, I like that.

Yeah. That's exciting. And that's a better style fight for Joshua. Much better style. Like, so... Yeah. Anything can happen.

Anything can happen. But when you get big men like that, and I think Joshua, if you look at the second fight with Usyk, he did more damage in that fight.

I mean, he landed some good shots. He's showing improvement. And I think he's, you know, he's an amazing athlete. Well, he was with Angel Garcia, right? I just...

Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing that guys, after they lose, they switch camps? I feel like... Well, look how good Tyson Fury got when he went with Sugar Hill. Who was he with before? He was with this guy that... I thought he was with Emmanuel Stewart

back in the day. Well, he was with this guy that was a really young guy that he came with to the podcast who was an amateur boxer and had some experience. They vibed together well. But what Sugar Hill got him doing is fighting more aggressively. Oh, yes. And he went back to him. He just announced that. He was there with me in the beginning.

And then Tyson Fury gave love love to Sugar Hill now so i think Tyson Fury is going to go back with that original guy again which i don't know why maybe it's a money thing i don't know that maybe but that's never a good way to make a decision especially when you have so much success well that happens a lot in MMA it does well with one of the things things with MMA is sometimes guys have to get new looks, right? That's true. Especially if a guy's getting taken down too much. You've got to go to a guy like Cejudo. You've got to go to a wrestling base camp or AKA or something along those lines.

Or if you're getting boxed up on your feet, you've got to go to a striking base camp. I don't think there's anything wrong with that if where you're at can't provide you with world-class training in that particular discipline like if you're a specialist and that's the difference between mma you got a guy that comes from like one play like leon the first fight with kamaro he didn't have any wrestling he went yeah you have not enough time though yeah not enough time but you have to you have to go to someone who's gonna address your issues whatever lack of performance you have in one particular discipline. So I think that's the positive thing about MMA is that a guy can jump. I see these guys going from camp to camps, like getting looks. You know what I mean?

So I just feel like after a loss like when fighters blame it on like where they were yeah it's like bro you lost you lost you know what I'm saying it's like don't blame it on a coach or

like that's why I love Henry Hoof because after every fight like if a fighter he's like Trevor in a way like I mean it is what it is

it's a fight game you lose you see what I'm saying there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it and that's what bro after Kamau lost Trevor fucking Whitman is a fucking G bro yeah he's a fight game. You lose. You see what I'm saying? There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And that's what, bro, after Kamaru lost, Trevor fucking Whitman is a fucking G, bro. Yeah, he's a G.

Just smiling. Yep. Fucking, he like, I fucking love this shit, Will. Yeah. It's the fucking fight game. Yeah. The comeback story. Yeah.

It's like, you was ready to fight tomorrow because Trevor was just so fucking fired up. Trevor's a genius. Bro. Yeah, he makes the best goddamn gloves in the world. Yep. His MMA gloves are so superior to the best goddamn gloves in the world. Yep. His MMA gloves are so superior to the UFC MMA gloves. Why don't they use them? I don't know.

He told me they were trying to work out some sort of a deal, and it fell apart. I'm like, my God. And I tried to talk to Dana White about it, too, but I never got anywhere. Those gloves are so much better than anybody else's gloves, and they're curved, which would, I think, eliminate a large number of eye pokes. Eye number of eye pokes because nothing but eye pokes every week the ufc glove almost wants you to open your hand up it's like yeah it's hard you have to close your hand you have to physically close your hand those gloves are curved where your hand is already they're already closed like that fighters be breaking them fucking gloves down in the locker room just

exactly exactly you don't have to do that with trevor's gloves and trevor's gloves are a superior foam his he showed me the foam like he gave me a pair of gloves and he showed me the difference between like regular foam and the foam that he uses it's so superior that's crazy everything about his gloves are superior like he does everything perfectly with my first ever film on anatomy of fighter was on trevor whitman was called Anatomy of an X-Factor Glove. In his little basement, making the gloves. With a sewing machine. In his little basement.

And now when I went to Colorado for the Kamal camp and seen his factory, I'm like, this is crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. But he deserves all the success and more. And I really wish the UFC would just make a deal with him and use those gloves. I think it would have a significant impact. Why don't you think they do? I don't know, man.

I'm not a businessman. I don't get any of it. I don't know. I mean, I make my suggestions. Look, I'm the one who suggested more weight classes. Everybody says no. I'm the one who suggested, listen, we've got to figure out a way to stop weight cutting. Everyone says no.

Can't be done. When do you think Dana is going to walk away? I don't know, but I have it in my contract that when he leaves, I leave. He brought me in. Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to work for anybody else. It's so easy working for him. He's so wild and so crazy.

It's like he has energy for the sport still. He's definitely not been in some – like he wasn't at International Fight Week. He had other obligations. He had other obligations he had other obligations so i'm like is that you know is it it'd be the weirdest sport ever not seeing dana like it wouldn't be the same it's like i love scott coker but you know he's just not the same over in bellator it's just you don't have that presence you don't have that presence of that guy at the press conference that says wild shit. What about Chaudhry? I love Chaudhry.

Yeah, I was going to say, he would be an interesting person to talk to. He got a crazy story. Yeah, he's an interesting guy, and he's a real martial artist, too. And you got a lot of questions about one. Oh, yeah. Well, I think that the weight cutting thing is the biggest question. The fact that nine people failed weight, I don't know how they even resolved that. I don't know what they did. They have some leeway over there, you know?

Well, I think they got the, I don't know. What kind of drug testing they do? They smell people? Well, I don't know. All I know is that I heard it's a way for you to cheat the water rehydration thing. Like, I had some theories I asked around, but I think it's a way to hold your piss a little. Like, it's something crazy to where,

because they test your rehydration with urine and stuff like that. I think there's a way to get around almost everything. But even in the UFC, I guarantee you some people are still doing some shit. How many percentage is you think? I think it's way less than ever before. Less? Than ever before. You think it's near 50%?

No. Or way lower, 10%? I think it's less than 10%. 10%, less than 10%. But this is just me totally guessing. I have zero idea. But I think back in the day, it was probably 80% of people were doing some shit. When I first came to the UFC, back during the testosterone replacement days,

I think it was off the charts. Back when TRTV tour was wheel kicking people. He was on that sauce when he knocked out Holyfield. Yeah, he was on that sauce. I was like, and Holyfield should have used some of that testosterone. He might have. Holyfield might have, but he was 59 years old. He looked good.

He looked physically good. Yeah, but all those wars, man. All those wars with Tyson. All those wars with Riddick Bowe. People forgot about those fights. Didn't he have the heart situation? Oh, yeah. Dude, the Riddick Bowe fights were crazy.

Now, his life is a movie. Yeah. He don't want to have the house, the Rick Ross house. The Rick Ross house. I was just going to bring that up. He got so crazy he wanted to have the biggest fucking house ever, and he couldn't afford it. You know, he did.

And Rick Ross got it now. Yeah. And he got it for a crazy amount, too. I know. A super discount. It's an amazing place, too. I know. It's the biggest house in Georgia.

And it's got a huge piece of property that it's on. It's a castle. Yeah. That's crazy. But the Rick Ross business is like, you can keep going with Rick Ross. He's not getting brain damage. You can keep going. He can always make money.

Rick Ross is a star. Wing stocks. Yeah. I mean, he's doing everything. But that's the difference between those rappers back then. Remember, the label owned you. You was a slave to it. Yes.

With social media, see, that's the beautiful thing about social media. I just saw, you know that TikTok dude that be doing this shit? He watched dumb shit and then he'd be like... That guy makes $750,000 a post. $750,000 every time he posts. So he posts three, four times a day.

He's making a couple million here, a couple million there. That's $60 million a month. Life is unfair, man. And all that guy just goes like, what? Not saying a word. Yeah. From overseas somewhere?

Senegal. That guy's killing it. I love that. But listen, man. So two posts and you could become a millionaire. Yeah. I'm out here slaving doing all this documentary content. But you're still blowing up, too. Yeah, that'm out here slave and doing all these documentary content. Well, but you still but you're still blowing up, too

Yeah And then you're blowing up also because of social media because of YouTube where value a ketchup Everything a catch if you were stuck working for some production company make it frat you have to go through all these different people You have to what about me what I'm doing I would never be able to do this if I had to go through some company and they told me you can't smoke weed on The podcast anymore. You can't smoke weed on the podcast anymore, you can't talk shit, stop saying bitch. Yeah.

What? Yeah. So, for example, like I've made content for people for other projects. I had to bleep out like a cuss word. Yeah. I don't do shit. I just let fighters get the cuss and do whatever they want to do. Perfect.

That's the difference. Like that's like no disrespect to the UFC. I could never work for you. Right. Because you would have to censor stuff. Yeah. They would have to censor stuff. Yeah, they would have to approve it. Greg Rosari, all these guys would be like, nope, you can't use that music.

I'm like, you know what, fuck, I don't want the monetization on this video. I want the song to be impactful. When I did the Kamal video, it was trending number two or three in the world for two days. Millions of views right now. But I used Nipsey Hussle, Snoop. Right. Because I felt those were the songs that I needed to use. Yeah. So I lost the revenue, but I got the glory.

Yeah. And that built the series more. Yeah. And that's what people don't understand. I couldn't do that working for a company. Exactly. That's the thing that I try to tell young people. I know it's hard, but try to branch out on your own.

Don't just attach to one person. Because if you work for GSP and then when his career is over with, or if I work for only Kamaru or Khabib, and I was Khabib cameraman, Kamaru cameraman, what happens when they're done? Right, exactly. Man, you just got to get lucky and find another one? No, I built a brand to where

i can reach out to any fighter right and they know the kind of content you've already created you have a legacy of it so they can look at it but i kind of treat what i do now like not comparing myself to you but i pick and choose what i want to do yes like that's why it's authentic early days i was in the gym every day just putting out content. Now it's like, I'll go three months without posting anything.

It has to add to my legacy of what I'm building. That's the reason why I do want to go up to Washington and do Terrence McKinney. While he young, get him now.

He just had a baby. He has a real chance of being one of the greats. He has a real chance. That dude is a storm. Yes, he is. He's a real chance of being one of the greats. He has a real chance. That dude is a storm. Yes, he is. He's a storm. When he comes at you guns blazing in the beginning of the fight, holy shit.

Even that Drew Dober fight. Drew Dober is fucking scary. Drew Dober is a bad motherfucker. And he learned a lot from that Makachev fight. That's what I'm saying. There's levels. Yeah. When you experience those levels and you come back, like, fuck, man.

But was it round three? Yeah. It went three rounds. Well, Drew Dober's just durable. And that just shows you how durable Islam is because if Drew Dober hits you, he can crack. Yeah, he can crack. But the Drew Dober fight with Islam is like Islam just smushed him. He just smushed him.

And that's when you see that kind of control that's such elite next level grappling. When they get a hold of you, you're just fucked. Oh, UFC 280 is going to be crazy. Yo, the world is going to be watching. Oh, 100%. I'm going to be watching from London. Fuck. I don't know how.

I'm going to bring an iPad. I'm going to figure out somehow to get it. If I'm watching the fight right before I go on stage, I'm going to be watching somehow to get it while I'm, if I'm like watching the fight right before I go on stage, I'm going to be watching it. I'll walk out like, hold on. You'll be mad as hell if it.

Well, I won't know. Either I'll, won't watch shit and then I'll run back to my hotel room and watch it or I'll watch it right before.

I got a prediction. Live. The fight for either one of them is not going to be close. That's what I keep telling prediction. Live. The fight for either one of them is not going to be close. That's what I keep telling people. Really? If Charles is going to win, it's going to be literally a knockout.

Because I heard he cracks like cement hands, his power. Yeah. But if Islam wins, I don't even think it's going to be close. I think it's going to be like, what? Like James Krause said it. James Krause, he an intelligent motherfucker. Very. He was like I just, I honestly don't think this fight is going to be

close. People can get mad at me. I just, Islam is not even going to be close. Wow. Who knows? We don't know. That's the beautiful thing about this sport. I know. You can guess all day long until they get in there. Like who the fuck would have thought Leon would have landed that head kick? Nobody.

Especially in the fifth round when you're watching the way the fight was taking place. And he was defeated. His coach said it. He can say, no, his coach literally said the next day. Come on, Rocky. Come on, Leon. It's amazing. You see the video with the Rocky theme? Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Yes. What is wrong with you? And he ain't even looking at him in the eye. Wouldn't even look at him in the eye. He didn't shake him. He shook him. And he looked. Yeah. And he said, even looking him in the eye. He didn't shake him. He shook him, and he looked. And he said, I had to land something. I had to figure it out.

He was throwing that kick all fight. Kamal was catching it. Kamal stood still for eight seconds. He didn't move. And he shielded it with that right hand. He put that right hand in his face and threw the high kick at the same time. Didn't he throw a low kick first? Like a tap?

Yeah. Like a tap? And. Like a tap? Fuck. And you can't predict that sometimes. No. Because if you block it in the head, he can shut you down with your body kick. Yep. Oh, he definitely can.

Fighting is a motherfucker. He can kick you in the liver. Yeah. It's a human body, and the human body is so vulnerable. And then you have these elite trained specialists that are just designed to shut down bodies. And they're just trying to shut each other off. Kam gonna come out round one and rush his ass it's you get ready to wrestle this time because come on get your trying to get your ass out of there yeah it ain't no playing around it's gonna be no playing around but we don't know who knows you know someone said that

will never happen again i'm like how the fuck can you say that when it happened once there you go you can't that's the beautiful thing about this sport. Will and you do a fucking fantastic job of capturing that. You really do. Appreciate it. Your shit is top of the food chain. Only getting better, man. Only getting better.

Only getting better. Listen, we'll do it again. Thank you for being here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just did three hours, man. Fuck. I told Jamie when I got a movie. Oh, man. Fuck. I told Jamie when I got a movie. Oh, shit.

Look at me. Hey, that's MySpace days, too, boy. Look at that. Is that MySpace? Yeah, look, look, MySpace.com. Wow. I had to go deep. I found it, but I went deep.

Oh, my. That's amazing. God, look at that young, handsome guy. Look at you. That's crazy. I appreciate it, like always, man. And it's Will Harris Productions on Instagram. Is that Twitter as well?

No, Will Harris A-O-A-F. Do you use that? Anatomy of a Fighter. Do you use that on Twitter too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then your YouTube channel is just Anatomy of a Fighter? Anatomy of a Fighter. All right.

Appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. Always good seeing you. All right. Bye, man. Appreciate it. Always good seeing you. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.