The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #131 with Demetrious Johnson

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

Joe is joined by mixed martial artist and current ONE Championship Flyweight Champion Demetrious "Mighty Mouse" Johnson. https://www.onefc.com/athletes/demetrious-johnson/

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. What's happening, my friend? Good to see you. Good to see you, too. Good to see you thriving out there in the world. Just trying to do my best.

Dude, you're killing it. It's beautiful. Beautiful. That comeback win was fucking fantastic. Thanks, man. It was great to see. Thank you. How the fuck are you still so good?

You haven't slipped at all. Honestly, I think it's just the training, my mindset, the team around me, and just honestly trying to get better every single time I step in the cage. The lighter weight classes, though, I've always felt like there's a short window of excellence. lighter weight classes though i've always felt like there's a short window of excellence you know like even in boxing it seems like it's like nine ten years at peak form but you defy that you know you really do man yeah you're still like as good as ever it could be because i'm black give you my genetics i i have no idea um it can't just be that because there's a lot of people that are also black that haven't

been able to do that yeah that's true i think it's i think what you're saying is it's also technique your technique has always been paramount you know it's always like the forefront of everything i honestly believe it's probably just my upbringing in mixed martial arts right and even you know i was talking to people the other day and i said i started when i was 18 like in martial arts if if you count some people don't I was 18, like in martial arts. Some people don't count wrestling as martial arts. Oh, you should. Right?

I do. Yeah, I do. So I started in middle school, and then once I got out of high school, I didn't go to college to wrestle. I jumped right into mixed martial arts. So I think Matt, he made me do one fight at MMA. Then the next fight was boxing, mixed martial arts. They kickboxing, back to MMA,

shoot boxing. And then he was like, hey, you got to do this grappling tournament and you need to submit everybody. Don't come back if you don't, right? He's a hard man. Yeah. And at the time when he was doing that, I didn't know what he was prepping me for.

Right. I honestly didn't like I was working full time and I was still an amateur, but I would do these these things he told me to do. And then now when I get into my fights or when I do things, I'm able to, you know, go back to my beginning and be like, OK, I faced this before. And I'm able to just keep keep getting better. you know, go back to my beginning and be like, okay, I faced this before, and I'm able to just keep getting better. My foundation is so solid that that's what's been able to keep me on top for so long. Well, I think that really helped you in that mixed fight with Rod Tang. Oh, yeah. Because that was a wild proposition. I was like, whoa, this is going to be interesting.

And props to him for taking that. Because he had to know after round one who was chronicled. I wasn't getting that ass after round one. Well, so when they offered that to me, I was like, I was on the couch with my wife. We should explain to everybody what the rules were. Yeah, so the rules were the first round. So if you guys don't know who Ratang is, he's one of the best, probably the best Muay Thai fighters in the world.

People put him at pound for pound. He's a fucking beast. He just walks through these people. He's a beast, dude. So the first round was Muay Thai. I could not grapple. I could not, you know. So right here, when he broke me up, I was trying to lock him up like a body lock i could take down

was it a three minute round or five minute round three minute round right and so the first round was muay thai and the second round was mma fourth round's gonna be uh third round's gonna be muay thai and the fourth round was mma so i knew the first round was gonna be you know very difficult but right there as you see i'm trying to hold him. I can't. I literally was over my hands and not trying to grab him as I would if it was MMA. Were you allowed to clinch? Because Muay Thai involves a lot of clinch work. What was the rules there?

So you are allowed to clinch. But if you watch any of the Muay Thai in one championship, they don't actually, I feel they don't give the athletes enough time to actually fight and dominate in the clinch. I feel the same way because I was watching Rod Tang's last fight. And they break him up immediately. And I'm like, stop. Why do you think they do that? I don't know. They're trying to make it more action-packed?

More action-packed and probably push the action. But for me, I feel like in Muay Thai, if somebody can be very dominant in the clinch, then that's part of the sport, right? How dangerous did you feel him in the first round? He, I think the last time I got rocked in any of my fights was probably John Dotson, and he gave me that same feeling again. So, but it was fun, you know?

It was fun just exchanging with them and i think you know having this fight was uh good for my career and good for my confidence and you know to come off a loss against you know adriano and then come back and fight another tough striker striker it was just right there you see i'm like this oh yeah yeah right you can't i can't like i didn't want to like right there i would have blown through fucking double leg or I would have done a knee tap so that was the hardest thing and then you know there's a point in time where like but you stayed competitive with them oh yeah you know even though the first round was clearly the round that he wanted to turn on the gas because he's you know that's his world yeah and uh well the game plan

was to you know avoid and not take damage. But I told Matt, I was like, dog, I was like, I didn't come over here to Singapore to get yellow card. Like, they're not taking 10% of my purse. And I said, if they tell me action and they're like, I'm going to warn you, I'm going to look at you and I'm going to wink and go, it's been a good ride. I'm just going to go. So this, when he hit me the first time, I was like, fuck this.

We're going, I'm just going to fight. And if I get knocked out I was like fuck this we're going I'm just gonna fight and If I get knocked out get knocked out if I don't then hey we got to second round so well You definitely tagged him a bunch. Oh, yeah, you know you you made it a very competitive like right there Yeah, one two, but that motherfucker can take a shot like nobody. It's weird. Yep He stands and lets guys punch him in the face Yeah, who the fuck does that at an elite level other than Anderson in his prime? I think the last person I hit that hard was Ali Bogatinov.

I remember I was fighting him, and I remember kneeing him in the jaw and feeling his jaw shift in the fight. And I was like, I'm not going to knock you out. I'm going to destroy my body before I knock you out. And I remember going home, my knees were the size of grapefruits from just hitting him so much.

Well, Ali was on the sauce, yeah too but yeah that was last time I thought something I was like holy shit you can take a beating yeah what was he he got popped for EPO right it was EPO yep yeah EPO I remember my father-in-law he was back there with me I did my drug test and I walked walked past Ali he was sitting drinking water but I take his drug test and my father-in-law goes tell you right now no man could take a beating like that and be able to walk away there's

something something that right here and sure enough I'm at home playing video games or one is like hey did you hear the news I'm like no you're bothering me right now what do you

want he goes he popped for EPL and I was like and like I don't give a shit I'm playing games bye and beep so but hey it is it is it's in the past and I was like and like I don't give a shit I'm playing games bye and beep so um but hey it is it is it's in the past and he was good though he was good he was strong but it makes sense that he was on EPO because his cardio was off the charts that's that was the biggest thing we saw in breaking him down in a fight is that if we put the pressure on him eventually he's going

to break like he has in his other fights and then when when he didn't, you know, we're like, huh, he's still here. You know, good thing we're prepared, but he shouldn't be here right now. But he was. Yeah. So this Rod Tang fight, one of the things that's very interesting about 1FC is how they're just really mixing everything up. They've got grappling matches. You know, Mikey Musumechi's over there competing.

Gary Tonin, the Rotolo brothers. It's very wild what they're doing. They're having Muay Thai matches, kickboxing matches. We had one boxing match which was for a WBC title. Really? Oh yeah. Boxing gloves? Boxing gloves. Full blown boxing. It was a world

title fight. That's one of the things i love about one championship is that they're mixing it up right so when i got the opportunity to go over there and compete like i knew i had the opportunity to do something fun like i did with ratay right now was it difficult to make that decision to leave the ufc because you you were you know coming off of a very close controversial loss to hen Henry Cejudo. Very close fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it was, like, mostly the wrestling.

A couple takedowns that he got. Yeah, it was a couple takedowns, and I think I relied too much on the leg kicks. Like, in that fight, I couldn't get him down to the ground. The striking scene on the feet, like, with the hands, it seemed like it was pretty even. I think I outlanded him, like, when you look at the strike, copy block strike numbers. But I felt like I relied too much on the leg kicks because i was i was fucking tearing those legs up well you hurt his leg real bad in that first round yes he got that drop foot thing going

on yep he had the drop thing going on but i was like i couldn't get there with the hands right i couldn't knock him with the hand so i was like you know i'm gonna tear your i'm gonna take your i'm gonna tear your leg up kept on tearing the leg up. And when the fight ended, and I was like, ah, he probably got it. I was like, he beat me. And then they read the scorecard, and I was like, huh, it is what it is. Like, what are you going to do? So what was the decision after that? Like, what was that like?

So it was frustrating. But then, you know, at the time I was like, I wonder if I can do something different. Right? Because I was going in the back, and at the time, Maki was managing me. He still is. Freshman manager is. And I was like, he was like, you tell me what you want to do, bro. You send me a note, and we'll figure it out.

And I was like, I wonder if I can get out of my contract. I was like, try to do something different. Because at the time, I looked at it this way. If I were to fight Henry Cejudo again for the third time, it could have gone either two ways. One, I beat Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same situation I am right now when at the time they're trying to get rid of, they're in talks about getting rid of the flyweight division, right? Or two, if I lose to Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same position. I just lost to him again. So why not see if I can go explore other options, right?

And then that's when the trade talks came about. so the ufc just said fine go ahead well there was more to it right i mean obviously um you know chacha just you know talked about it it was uh i heard you had something to do with it as well like yeah i did yeah yeah well um i'll get to that point so obviously um you know they they want it. Ben Askren has been wanting to fight in the UFC for a long time, right? And then so one championship and UFC were talking back and forth between Hunter and Matt Hume and Malky. So they're like, hey, let's do a trade, right? Like we'll give you Ben Askren for Demetrius Johnson.

And then at one point I heard that, you Dana was like no I don't I don't I don't want to make that happen right I don't know the fool I'm not in the room where all the puzzle pieces are being shifted and then I was hanging out somewhere and then somebody said you know Joe Rogan had a piece and I was like really he goes yeah and I was told that you kind of convinced and I'm like who gives a shit like? Just get Ben Askren or something like that. So, yeah, I know, right? That's not really accurate. No, I definitely was trying to get them to get Ben Askren, but I was trying to get them to get Ben Askren

back when he was at Bellator, when he was in his prime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, listen, man, this guy is wrestle fucking everybody. I want to see if he could do that to the whole division. When Ben was in his prime, when he did that to Koroskov, when he did that to Douglas Lima, I was like, you gotta understand how crazy this is, that this

guy can do this to everybody. People say, oh, it's boring, it's boring. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's fighting. This guy is imposing his style on these murderers. I mean, Koroskov was a murderer, and Douglas Lima is a fucking savage. And he was just ragdolling these dudes

and doing it in weird ways. I remember he has a funky style about doing things. And I remember somebody said he was training with him, and he was able to twist and turn a certain way to where if a normal human being would do it, they would tear their cartilage in their ribs. And he was able to do that and bring him back to where he was.

And I was like, yeah, dude, that's a freak right there. Well, he's always wrestled like that because he's not a physically imposing guy. I'm sure he's very strong because he's been wrestling his whole life. But his style was always this weird style that was very difficult for people to understand. So they would try to do traditional shit with him. And all of a sudden, they'd be on their back. Yeah, it just didn't work. By the time we got him, though, he was already fucked up.

He needed a hip replacement. And he was already retired, right? And so that's what I heard. And so when they wanted to do that trade, they're like, yeah, we'll take Demetrius over Ben because Demetrius is still active and he's still, you know, still. I always look at myself as a workhorse, right? Like, you're paying me to fight, I'm going to fight, right? And so I think it was a no-brainer for them. active and he's still you know still i always look at myself as a workhorse right like i will

you're paying me to fight i'm gonna fight right and so i think it was a no-brainer for them and that's that's how it happened well i definitely would have kept you in the ufc so that's not i'm sorry sweetheart i mean if you look at guys like davison vigorado brandon moreno there's some amazing fights for you yeah absolutely and the flyweight division has sort of risen up now there's there's a lot of like very. Yeah, absolutely. And the flyweight division has sort of risen up now. There's a lot of very interesting contenders now. Yeah. But I don't have any say in what goes down.

Yeah. I'm not the guy negotiating room. Why am I saying you were the one that was like, we need to make this happen. Okay, we need to make it happen. I just heard that you kind of had some type of persuasion, I guess you can say, when you guys were out and about. But that's what I've been told. You kind of had some type of persuasion, I guess you can say, when you guys were out and about. But that's what I've been told. Like I said, I don't know the full story because I'm just an athlete.

I'm just, hey, this is what I want. Can you guys make it happen? Then I let the higher-ups like Hunter, Matt Hume, Maki, they're doing all the pieces. And then, you know, shit, from all I know, that could have been a fucking rumor. Right? Yeah, it's definitely a rumor. Oh, well, there you go, Lee Jong. It's a rumor.

Don't believe everything you hear. I definitely was excited to see Ben Askren come over to the UFC. And also, as a fight fan, I was excited to see you go over to one. Yeah. Because the same way I was excited to see Eddie Alvarez over there. And I think we need more events. More competition is good. 1,000%. It's good for everybody.

Absolutely. And what you're seeing now with 1FC is these world-class fucking guys. Who's that guy that just fought John Lineker and broke his cup? Fabricio Andrade. Fucking beast, man. Fucking beast. He's a nasty man. Fucking beast.

And I'm like, look, man, these guys are out there. Oh, yeah. The thing is, there's only so many slots in the UFC. Yep. And every now and then, a guy like Shavkat Rakhmanov comes on along like where the fuck this guy come from well those dudes are out there in the world yeah they're kickboxers they're sambo guys they're jiu-jitsu guys they're out there in the world yeah I think um for Bruce Andrade absolutely amazing that fight against him and John Lineker bro he was putting the boots to Lineker yeah and he was timing that fucking that hook because John Lineker. Bro, he was putting the boots to Lineker. Yeah, and he was timing that fucking, that hook.

Because John Lineker, he throws punches straight hardly, but it's usually the wild winged punches, right? And with Fabrizio being so much taller than him, he's able to, you know, have good rhythm, throw that lead punch. I mean, right here, he was just like, boom. See, he nailed him with that knee to the body, but then unfortunately followed up with one right in the cup. Yeah, first off, why is John Lineker wearing a plastic cup? I know, right? that knee to the body but then unfortunately followed up with one right in the cup. Yeah.

First off, why is John Lennon wearing a plastic cup? I know, right? Why doesn't he have one of those diamond MMA cups? I have a steel cup and it still hurts.

Oh, you have a steel cup? Oh, hell yeah. They allow you to wear steel cups? God damn right. Gotta protect these balls, baby. I understand. Yeah. I understand.

You're a father. Absolutely. Well, I don't need them anymore but I still want to have them. You're done? Oh, hell yeah, I'm done. Absolutely. But the steel cup is kind of fucked up.

Why? Because it's metal. Because you're hitting metal. You're hitting my balls. You definitely shouldn't hit it. Okay. But you could accidentally break your foot on metal. I can accidentally break my foot on your elbow.

I guess you could. Yeah. Well, it definitely happens. Yep. But I feel like it should be, like the Diamond MMA Cup, I think, is the perfect balance because it's a compression cup. It's hard as fuck. You can take a solid shot.

Is it hard as steel? It's definitely not. Okay. Well, there we go. But there's advantages to the Diamond Cup, or excuse me, to the steel cup, that I feel like might be a little unfair, particularly with leverage in arm bars, because it creates a fulcrum. Like, you've got a steel thing, and you're bending the elbow over a steel thing. Yep, absolutely.

Yeah, you like it. I love it. Kenny Florian told me that, too. He always fought with a steel cup on. Like, for me, I've been kicked in the balls before. Mm, me too. Yeah, and after- Not fun.

I think it was my second E. McCall. I think it was my second E. McCall fight. So I kicked in the balls, go home, and you know, you get your balls and you got your testicles. Well,

balls, testicles. You have your wires behind you, right? And next thing you know, I'm like, holy shit, like my balls hurt.

Like two weeks, three weeks. And next thing you know, I'm like, something's wrong, babe. Like something is wrong. So I go to the doctor and he's like, you know, checking underneath there.

He goes, do you got a hernia? I was like, you're fucking lying. He goes, yeah, you got a hernia. So I was about to get surgery to fix a hernia. Then my wife was like, let's get, let's get a second opinion. Right. I go to another doctor and he's checking underneath there. And he goes, oh, dog, your wires are just, your wires are um uh swollen you don't have a

hernia and so i i he was like you just need the proxen to get the inflammation now out of your your sack essentially you need a what to get the inflammation the proxen it's a proxen i think it's the proxen it's a anti-inflammatory okay so i took some of that and that that cleared it up but just from that kick and i think this time i was wearing a plastic cup. He kicked me there, and my shirt was swollen. I was like, yeah, never again. I'm not going to wear a fucking plastic cup. I'm wearing a steel cup because you're getting kicked in the balls and needing the balls. It's definitely the best protection.

Yeah, so that's why I wear it. Even now, I've been grappling in the gi. I still wear my cup when I grapple in the gi. I trained with this dude once who had a steel cup on, and we were grappling. I trained with this dude once who had a steel cup on and we were grappling and he mounted me and put his steel cup in my fucking solar plexus with grapevines. And I was like, God damn, dude, that's fucked up. It was so hard. It was like it was just a metal piece digging into your chest. Yeah.

He was a little bigger than me, too. So he was like all this weight on me. He was like, he's basically fucking me with a metal piece yeah I guess you could say that rude I mean I don't do that right I think you yeah I don't do that and for me if my opponent wants to wear a steel cup please do I I will assist you do wear a steel cup because you know I can't promise that my my kicks aren't gonna make it up there I mean right well I don't want to Shit happens. I rather you do everything you can to protect your balls. Yeah.

Whether you want to wear plastic. Well, a few guys have lost balls. You know, there was a guy who was one of the Miltich guys who he was training and he didn't wear a cup for like the last round. He's like, last round, just like light sparring. Nothing's going to happen. And some dude kicked him and his ball exploded. It's happened a bunch of times.

You see? Yeah. And now you're on my side. You're going to go home like, I need a his ball exploded. It's happened a bunch of times. You see? Yeah. See, now you're on my side. You're going to go home like, I need a steel cup. Yeah, I really like the diamonds, those diamond MMA cups because they come with compression shorts and they really cinch up tight. I have to look into it because it's funny because when I do grapple, they're like, why do you have that cup?

And I was like, I was really grappling the other night and a guy tried to kick me over, kick me straight, straight in the balls. And I was like, and was really grappling the other night, and a guy tried to kick me over, kicked me straight, straight in the balls. And I was like, and it went like, dong. And I was like, you see, that's why I had that on, because if you would have hit me there, I would have tapped him like, I need 15 minutes to rest because you hit my balls. Right, and hopefully you didn't damage him. Hopefully it's just a bruise. Exactly.

Yeah, balls are fucking terrible design, God. Why did you put them on the outside like that? I'll put two things and let it hang there. And don't let them get hit because it's going to hurt truly bad. How about some more time in the design and implementation phase of the human being? Like, could you fucking come up with a- He's like, I got all this extra stuff. I just said-

Hang out there. It's the case with all animals. I was watching a lion kill a zebra the other day because I'm a mess. Yeah. And that's my algorithm. And so I was watching this lion kill a zebra, and it was horrible because the lions had the zebra down like a couple lions, and one lion just goes right to the sack. That's my sack. That's mine.

Don't touch it. And she's just pulling the nut sack off of this zebra. I'm like, God damn it. What a terrible design. It's a faulty design in all the species, right'm like, God damn it. What a terrible design. It's a faulty design in all the species, right? Yeah, all of them. All the male species. Like the whole planet,

except for like crustaceans and fish and snakes and shit. But everybody else, nuts are on the outside. Reptiles. Well, you know, maybe we'll evolve and something will happen. Who knows? Maybe. Well, you know, maybe we'll evolve and something will happen. Who knows? Maybe.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Jamie, son of a bitch. Jamie goes right to it. Joe Rogan searches her. It's so horrible, man. Look at her. She's just pulling on that sack. Oh, God.

Bro, you can see more. Oh, Jesus. You can see more ruthless shit online. I was watching online today. I saw a dude kill a dude with an axe. I was just like on my Instagram feed. My Instagram feed. Some dude is at a store holding onto an axe, and he's like swinging the axe.

The dude is sitting there on his phone, and this guy just axes him in the middle of his forehead. Wow. Just decides to fuck it and just swings and just buries the axe in this dude's head. That's fucking horrible. You shouldn't even watch any of that stuff. That's bad for you. I couldn't help it. It was like, it just showed up. I was like, is this motherfucker really gonna hit him with an axe on

Instagram? Like, yep. Yeah. Wow. You see so much shit. You see more mayhem, more chaos, more animals getting torn apart by lions and leopards and shit. It's like, you see so much. Yeah. The internet is a dangerous place. I try to stay off it as much as

possible, and the fact that you can see shit like that on the internet where somebody just acts in the forehead is absolutely crazy. It's ridiculous. The fact that it's on Instagram, I mean, I'm sure they pull it eventually. Someone's got to report it. I'm sure when it's on there, somebody took a screen capture, reported it, and then it's off, you know? And then they put it on Reddit, and now it's on 4chan.

Exactly. If it makes it on the internet, it's there forever. Forever. It's surfing around somebody's mainframe somewhere. But on the plus side, if you're a martial artist, your access techniques. Oh, it's is off the charts 1000% when you started when you were 18 years old like what year was that? I'll say 2006. Yeah, there wasn't nearly as much available. There was some yeah It's definitely better than like starting in the 90s. Oh, yeah when that's it. But what the fuck man? There's so much information now on technique. You can watch so many different styles, so many different people competing,

both in Muay Thai and jiu-jitsu and wrestling and everything. Yep. Well, it's funny because when I'm grappling with my gi, I'll come back. I'll see someone on Instagram. I'm like, okay, I see that. Okay. I'll come to the gym. I'm like, huh, success.

It works. And then I'll get them in a choke. And I'm like, I learned that on Instagram. They're like, shut the hell up. I'm like, I swear to God, just this morning. But, yeah, I think the I'll get them to choke. And I'm like, I learned that on Instagram. They're like, shut the hell up. I'm like, swear to God, just this morning. But yeah, I think the internet,

the internet could be a good place and could be a horrible place, right? And I think- Well, that's humans. Well, that's true. Humans could be good or they could be horrible. 1000%.

The internet is just information. Yeah. So I think there's great information on the internet to get techniques to see how somebody done a certain move or how they're manipulating or shit to fix a car as well.

A lot of times when I have a problem, my wife's like, babe, I can't get this to work. I'm like, hang on, baby. I'll try it. I'm like, let me go in my office real quick. I got to go read a book right back. Okay, come back up like I'm a fucking genius. Oh, you just got to do this and this.

She goes, wow, good job. I was like, yeah. She doesn't know about the internet? I mean, she does. Keep her in the dark. Well, she, I just, you know. Keep her in the dark. Keep her thinking that you're a wizard.

But the, so a one is also streaming, right? They stream on, is it on Amazon Prime now? Amazon Prime. That's great. That is amazing. That's great. Amazing. And like after the TNT deal, I think we did four fights on TNT.

I felt like TNT was really focused on AEW, right? Like, every single time you go on TNT, it was always AEW, AEW. Using us, I felt using us as a launcher platform to bring more fans to AEW from my perspective. But, like, when the deal happened happened with Amazon I didn't know it did and then you know there's talks about like hey we just landed a brand new

US broadcast deal and I was like okay who could it be is it you know YouTube who is it and they see it was

actually Amazon Amazon I was like oh this is a this is a fucking game changer it is if Amazon gets behind it it is

they are are they getting behind it in terms of publicity? 1000%. Yeah, that's good. I mean- Because they have so much. It's such a weird platform because you also can buy shoes. Yep.

You could buy fucking jumper capers. You could buy anything. You could buy anything. You could buy a kidney on fucking Amazon. But if you have Amazon Prime, which like most people do, you also have access to all these television shows. Music, television shows. Terminalist. Terminalist, amazing.

Ring of Powers. Yeah, yeah. And then now we have live fights. Yeah, it's wild. With the World Championship. I love it. I love that they're doing that. I just want more opportunities for fighters because I think if the sport is going to grow, I love the UFC, obviously.

I'm not working anywhere else. But there's only 500 fighters in the UFC. Yeah. There's thousands and thousands of elite fighters all over the world. Yep. And if they don't get a shot, guys like Adriano, guys like, what's the guy's name that fought Lineker again? Fabricio Andrade.

Guys like that. Like, where's that guy coming from? You know? I mean, guys like, who's the that guy coming from you know I mean guys like who's the what's the dude that knocked out Giorgio Petrosian

Superbond nasty nasty nasty to do that to Petrosian I mean Petrosian is like

recognized as one of the very best kickboxers of all time and for him to like right kick to the body right kick to the head like that holy shit

dude like when I tell people the kickboxing. Yeah, look at this. Right kick to the body. Boom. Right kick to the body. Boom. To see Petrosian go out like that is wild. Has he fought since?

I don't think he has. I don't think he has. Yeah. That's one of those KOs that, you know, like when Terry Adam got knocked out by Edson Barboza. Oh, yeah, with the spinning back kick. You're like, I don't know if you come back from that one. Yeah. There's sometimes when dudes get hit, it's like, it's so brutal, you might never see them again.

Yeah. The biggest thing that I love about one championship is like, everybody's like, oh, man, you know, the striking's unbelievable. But I was like, no, dude, like, you want to see some high-level fucking striking? it's unbelievable but i was like no dude like you want to see some high level fucking striking like super bond georgio my favorite person to watch that's just pure kickboxing is here akimoto like i was there live when he won the the belt i think it was um it was in singapore i was sitting there watching and i was like oh my god like this man he like his kick and he and he'll block and then fire back immediately and I'm like, fucking A, man.

I was like, absolutely amazing. Like, just, I'm blown away. Well, that's one of the, also the beautiful things about what they're doing at one is that you get to see striking with no grappling.

No grappling. So you get to see what the most elite expression. Exactly. The purest form. Yes. The purest form of striking. Like, these two guys,

that's all we do. We don't play on the ground. We don't grapple. It's pure striking. And that purest form of striking like these two guys that's all we do we don't play on the ground we don't grapple it's pure striking and that's like one of the things i love to watch is like when i'm sitting there and people are like oh man what do you like to watch well obviously i like to watch you know mixed martial arts but when i get the chance to watch like high level like kickboxing especially heavyweights who move fast like i don't know the gentleman's name there's a kickboxer one he. He's fucking massive. And he's got fucking six pack.

And he's got good pecs. And he's just, he looks like a superhero. And he's like, bop, bop, bop, high kick, uppercut, right hand. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. That's one of the things I love about with one chip chip. It's just, you get the purest of the form. But then in contrast, you get to see. There he is.

That, look at him. Let me see that again. Built like a fucking superhero, Bob. Look at that. Jesus, who is that dude? Fuck. Roman Krikula, how do you say it? Kriklia?

Yeah. Goddamn. Dude, like- That's elite. Look at that guy. He's like, oh, Jesus Louisa. Yeah. What has just happened to me?

And then look, he's coming. Look at him. Come right back for some more. Just getting right back in there. Pop, pop, pop. Just. Is he Russian, that dude? I have no idea. Sounds Russian.

Yeah. Whatever. He's from that part of the world. Like, that's the thing I love about watching one is like when he fights, I always try to watch because he, you know, he, and then boom, like you're just exchanging. Like we were like i hate watching i hate watching grappling i was like perfect watch this and don't say anything shut your mouth and just enjoy this like like stand-up is just i just love it it's just that's the purest

like mma striking would never get there well it can't you can't and the good contrast to that is your second round with rod tang yeah like this is why this is striking because you can't open yourself up like that no you can't like go to that second round go to the second round with Rod Tang. This is why MMA is striking because you can't open yourself up like that. No, you can't. Go to that second round. Go to the second round with Rod Tang and DJ. So this is the second round. You're like, okay, baby. Now it's time to get it back.

And you can see Rod Tang, he doesn't look nearly as confident either. He kind of realizes. Look how he's on the outside now. Different game, right? It's a different game. Fuck yes. Look kind of realizes. Look how he's on the outside now. Different game, right? It's a different game. Fuck yes. Look at him now.

Look at the difference. Look at the fucking difference. Man, what a contrast. My corner man, James, James, I love that man. He goes, look at him. He's running. Look at him. He's running right now.

Of course he's running. What's a wild contrast difference between the first and the second round? Yeah. Well, like you said, you can't open yourself up. Right? He really can't even move forward. Yeah. Because if he does, I'm taking you down.

He's basically resigning himself to being defensive in this round. Look at how his hands are positioned. Yeah. He's looking to just push you away. Yeah. He's looking to get the fuck out of there. And for me, it was like, I have three minutes to work, right? And I'm like, okay, I got to make sure when I get there, I have to be subtle.

So these are one of the things I felt that helped me in my evolution is becoming better. I know it's crazy to say it being 36 years old. It's just taking my time. Look at that. Duck under. Just taking my time. That's a wrap, son. You ain't getting out of this.

Yeah. That was the beautiful thing about watching that fight is seeing the difference between these elite strikers when they're just allowed to strike and then seeing the difference between an elite MMA fighter and how he knows he can't implement his game the same way. Yeah. That's just how it's, this is a beautiful example of why mixed martial arts is the best combat sport in the world. 1000%. I think it's the best art form, right? Obviously, you're bringing all of them together, but if you have somebody who's a great boxer,

if you're an MMA guy, you can play in that realm of boxing, you can take him to a place where he can't breathe, or if you have a guy who's a great jiu-jitsu guy, it's like, perfect, I'm not going to go to the ground. If we do, I'm going to punch you in the face. Like Matt Hughes, he's like, everybody knows how to do an armbar, so gonna punch you in the face and elbow like Matt Hughes he's like everybody knows how to do armbar so you punch him in the face and you know everything you know is forgotten yeah you're creeping with that left arm yeah here I've been

focused on in the training camp I didn't care if I got any through chin I was working on my squeeze and just try to squeeze the blood out of your head and so it was amazing and that dude fucking hung in there man he did he hung in there he took it I mean, he's getting the fuck choked out of him, too. See, he's got a steel cup on. It's actually a Muay Thai steel cup. Yeah. And he went out, too. Yep.

Good for him. No tapping. Yep. Just tried to hang in there as long as he could. Yep. But that, to me, is one of the more interesting things about seeing a match like that. It's like you get to see. Like, it's people that don't know

go, oh, who's going to beat that guy? Look at this striking. I mean, he's going after Mighty Mouse, one of the greatest of all time. Look how he's beating him up. And then you see the sacro. Oh! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh! Oh, that's what would happen. Yeah. That's what would happen. That's why I love, like I said, that's why I love when they offer me that fight. At the beginning, they're like, hey, we want you to fight Ra-Tang for the Muay Thai World Championship. I was like, said, that's why I love about when they offer me that fight at the beginning I'm like hey, we want you to fight Rod saying for the Muay Thai World Championship

I was like guys. I'm very very grateful and very appalled but I try to kill you When Saryu Ken when Eddie Alvarez fought sorry you can Does that dude knocked him out in one chip chip? Yes, he'llin. That's the dude who knocked him out? In One Chip Ship? Yes. Who blew his eyeball up? The dude, the first dude he fought over there. Timothy Nasty Nukin. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. That's right. I'm thinking of a different guy. Yeah. But blew his eyeball up, right? The name sound the same. Yeah. Timothy Nasty.

I think of Nasty Nukin. Yeah, Nasty Nukin. I call him Mr. Nasty. He is nasty. Yeah. But he's another one of those guys. You never heard of him. You never heard of him.

But then you watch him fight. Find that fight. You never see him before, but go before the KO. But when you see him fight, you're like, Jesus Christ, out of nowhere. Where the fuck's this guy been? Right, out of nowhere and big as fuck, too. Yeah. Well, Eddie's fighting at 170 right now.

Right. So it's not 155 when he's fighting in the UFC. So in one championship, there's no weight cutting. now. So it's not 155 when he's fighting in the UFC. So in one championship, there's no weight cutting. You have to weigh in hydrated, right? So that's why the guy looks massive compared to Eddie. Think about it. Eddie's been spending pretty much all his career cutting to 155. He's a big 155, too.

He's a huge 155. So now that he's fighting guys at 170, the proportion. You've seen a guy at 155 his whole career. Now he's at 170. It's like, oh, he's going to look different, right? Now, how do they do the hydration thing? Because that's very controversial. Yeah, okay.

Because, like, didn't nine people miss weight in the last event? So how they do it. So when you weigh in, first you got to do your hydration. You got to do your hydration test. You go in the bathroom, guy watches you pee in the cup, you bring it out. They sit up there, and they test the gravity of your urine, right? So obviously, the urine is more.

Yeah, right? Space piss. Yeah, right? So they test our space piss, as you would call it, and they want to see the gravity, right? So if it's more yellow, which means you're more dehydrated, I think it's, there's a, I forget what it's called, but it's a little, almost like a thermometer, right? It's taking it, it's like 2, I think it's a 2.5,

if it's 2.50, you're on the cusp, right? If it's 2.51, you're dehydrated, you fail, right? Interesting. If you're overly hydrated, right? Because if you just drink a whole bunch of water, you're going to piss clear. Right? That means you're overly hydrated. People have failed that as well. Overly hydrated? How can you be overly hydrated? Is that like

because you're trying to mask the fact that you're dehydrated? It could be. Something like that. Like, I remember there was a time in a fight where Shingo Aoki, he peed and his shit was like 0-0-0-1. And I'm like, dude, you're way overly hydrated. Like, come back and do it. They might have changed it, right? But this was back in, like, I think we're fighting,

it was in Japan, I think in 2019, I feel like. And so you want to be in a sweet spot, right? You don't want to be too low. You don't want to be too high, right? So I just try to be right in the middle so how do they make sure that that's your actual weight though so you at the end of the day you can't you really can't but you what you can do is prevent seriously like what hamzat chamayev does yes that kind of 1000 percent right you're cutting 35 pounds well here's the thing if you fight so my natural walk-around, like whatever I want to eat and all that stuff

is like 142, right? So when I started dieting, I'll get down to 138 and working out, right? So I'm three pounds away from the cutoff for 135. Reasonable. Reasonable. Reasonable. Like when I was making 125, I was fucking like not killing myself but i was cutting weight um so when i made what would you weigh uh the day before you began your cut at 125

um about 128 127 oh that's not bad no no no you dehydrate or you diet so i would drink two gallons of water for two weeks straight so i think a gallon of water is what eight pounds i think right eight pounds i could be wrong. Can you explain how that works? Yeah, so what I did when I was cutting 125, I drank two gallons of water for two weeks straight.

And what you're doing is you're water loading your body. So you're basically just pissing all day. So your body gets used to having all this extra water on you, right? And then as you're dieting,

yeah, so eight pounds. See, my math is good. So it's eight pounds. So if I drink two gallons of water, I got 16 pounds of water in me that I can lose. So when I jump in the tub to cut my weight, I'm not pulling from my organs, my kidneys, and all that stuff. And then you make 125, you get out, and then I would make the weight, right? So that's what it does? It keeps it from pulling from your organs?

From my scientific, I'm not a scientist, Joe, but I've never missed weight. I'm not. You didn't know that? I didn't know that. Oh, shit. Well, now you know. I'm not a scientist, all right? And I'm not a fucking doctor as well.

So people, when you hear this, don't say it. I said you can do it. But that's what I did. Right? I would drink two gallons of water. Do you ever do distilled water? Nope. Just basic water.

I've heard that's dangerous. Yeah, I've heard that too. I heard somebody had a seizure on that shit. Oh, Jesus. So I was like, nope. Because you're just robbing your body of electrolytes, right? And minerals. And you are pissing out your electrolytes and your minerals too, right?

Because when you drink that much water, I mean two gallons, like when I fought Kyojo Horiguchi, I got like, I guess you call it water poison because I was going from Toronto, excuse me, from Seattle, always Toronto. All right. And I'm dieting too. So there's nothing in a plane that you can eat. That's going to, you know, it's all full of sodium. I'm going to hang on to all the water. Right. And obviously you cut off the sodium. So your body flushes the water, but on the way to Toronto, I drunk two gallons of water before boarding the plane. Right. And so so the whole plane ride i need anything just pounding

water i get there and i'm just sick like just as a dog and next thing you know matt's like usually when i land i always get work i was like matt i i i don't feel good like i don't want to work out and he goes okay all right no worries just go to bed next day woke up he goes hey you need to eat and i ate shit just right through me. And I just couldn't keep anything down. The next thing you know, a couple days later, he goes, don't train. Just relax. And then the UFC wanted me to do media, and he was like, no, dog.

He's not feeling good. Then eventually, the third day, started to feel better. And then when it came to cutting weight, I was able to make weight because I was just losing so much from being sick. And I remember the first time in the fight when I got taken down, I think it was the first or the second round, I was able to make weight because I was just losing so much from you know being sick and I remember the first time in the fight when I got taken down I think was the first or the second round I was like I don't fucking want to be here right now like I am I'm just not I'm not here like I'm not in it but then you know we rallied in people have died from drinking too much water oh I know I know so crazy like like fraternity hazings and shit well shit I

hear GSP does what a water fast and for three days um i was talking to some gentlemen here and they're like yeah we're about to do our our three-day water fast man i'm super pumped i was like i would get a headache like i i just couldn't do it but yeah but he doesn't drink that much water he just drinks only water exactly yeah he's not drinking two gallons so i misinterpreted that he's just drinking two gallons of water let's go boys and but yeah so that's what i did when i cut 125 i drink two gallons of water for two weeks straight diet down cut out the sodium cut out um then i'll cut off water the day before weigh-ins and then sit in the tub boiling myself and why the why the tub and not the sauna um because the sauna was not accessible depending where you're fighting right like you

always got a tub wherever you're fighting right so i mean i remember when i fought joseph the second time i cut like 8.2 pounds 8.2 pounds that day to make the weight and we use a tub so works good so what one fc does is how many days before the fight do they test your hydration? So before COVID, which is this is what I really like. This is how you try to keep people at the same weight. Right. Like how you have something blowing from 180 come down to 140. Right. You obviously can't stop it. It's going to happen. Right. But you would have to weigh in two times. Right.

So in the past you would fight on Saturday. So you weigh in Thursday, test hydration to weigh in two times, right? So in the past, you would fight on Saturday. So you weigh in Thursday, test hydration, and weigh in. Friday, test hydration, and weigh in. So if I weighed 135 on Thursday, 135 on Friday, the likely chance of me blowing up to whatever, 155 or 165, it's kind of not going to happen, unless I'm just going to put on too much excessive weight, right and then now they weigh you after you're done fighting so that's another thing they're starting to implement as well so when i fought adriano weighed 135 after the fight i weighed

138 and then the next day i woke up weighing 136 so i don't blow back up you know like these guys do when they cut all that massive weight so that's the biggest thing is that hydration check the weight if you fail hydration you're not checking your weight right you might be on weight you might be 135 but you're fucking over dehydrated they're not gonna let you step on the scale

they're like nope go get hydrated obviously to get hydrated you gotta drink water you drink water you get heavier so what do they do if you miss the weight? Like when all those people missed weight, there was like nine fighters in the car that missed weight. They have opportunity to go back and get their hydration in check and get their weight in check. But if you're missing weight, you're too big. Yeah.

How are you going to get smaller without dehydrating? That's the science behind it. You have to. So what I've heard people do is that they will, they would, you know, drink a lot of water, get their bladder full of hydrated water, right? And then they'll go work out,

lose the weight and your bladder. So it has that hydrated water. And then what they do is I'm on weight. I weigh 105, 135. I have this hydrated water or urine space piss in my bladder then i go out there and i pee hydrated hydrated and then i weigh in 135 so that's i've heard people do that before as well so there's like some shenanigans there's always there's always gonna be some shenanigans right

but i think the biggest thing is that weighing after the fight right because after you fight you know if i if i fought adrian Adrian, I weighed in 135 and I come off the scale, off the cage, I'm like 162 and they weigh me. And it's like, okay, dude, like, that's too big of a drastic jump between 135 to 165. Do you think there should be more

weight classes in MMA? Nah. No? I think they're good. I think 135, 125, 135, 145, 155. I think there could be 160, but here's the thing. Go ahead. Bless you, honey. Thank you.

Bless you. That was a wild one. I almost pulled my back out with that one. I was like, woo. I think when you have more of these weight classes, you're going to start seeing people try to go from 155 to 185, right? No, 70, 85. Oh, 170.

Yeah, so I think it's fine. 70 to 85 is a big jump, though. It's only 15 pounds. That's a lot. That's true. That's a lot. Fuck, I grapple people who are way bigger. I'm not fighting them, so it's different.

Right, but the fighting thing is the difference. Yeah. And then 85 to 205 is crazy. Yeah. I mean, it could. I don't see why not. Obviously, more weight classes, more opportunities for fighters to make money, so why not? More champions. More champions.

Versus champion matchups. I can see. I mean, why not? I think 10 pounds is reasonable. Every 10 is reasonable. Yeah, so 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185. Yeah, just do that. 195, and then 215, and then heavyweight. Call it big.

So, I mean, let's see why not. I mean, it's not like it's going to hurt anybody's brand if you add more weight classes. I don't think it would hurt anything. But it'll give more athletes opportunity to be able to make money and make small charts. And you won't have people come, you know, because when I'm over in Singapore

and I see the guys who make 125 like jared brooks um and then uh alex silva we're all the same height and i'm like how the fuck are you guys making 125 hydrated like i cannot do it but then when i get next to him like i'm just more girthier like i'm just bigger and i'm like but i'm the same height but i so i feel is it gives people opportunity to be at certain weight classes Where if he was a fight me at 135 then he'd like, you know, there'd be size disadvantage Yeah, well, especially at the lower weight classes. It's a larger percentage of your body weight Yep, like a 10-pound gap at heavyweight is not that big of a deal when it's at my weight

It's a huge it's a huge deal because you know the percentage of your body fat, or body fat by your weight. Another thing that I think is weird is the weight limit at heavyweight. I know. When they miss it, I'm like, how the fuck you miss 265? But the fact that it exists at all. Yeah, they should just have it open weight. Yeah, why do you have a 265 cutoff for the biggest fighter in the UFC? I don't know.

You know? It is what it is. Because if Francis can weigh whatever the fuck he wants, I want to see what he weighs. He's like 308. 298 pounds. I think he would probably be like, well. I think he'd probably be exactly what he is. Yeah.

I think he's like the perfect specimen for heavyweight. Exactly. I don't foresee him cutting a whole bunch of weight back and forth. No, I don't think he cuts any weight. But he just stays lean. Yeah. You know, which is perfect anyway. Yep.

I totally agree. Yeah. But when you think about the opportunities that would be available if you had every 10 pounds, I think I only see positives. Yeah. 1,000%. No negative. Only positive.

Like you said, when you said it gives athletes a better opportunity to make more opportunity for athletes and fighters to be able to compete. Why not? Right? Yeah. Yeah. I only see positives. So they came to you and they asked

you to fight for the world muay thai championship oh yeah back back in that story yeah yeah we just go on these little tangents little journeys and shit okay i'll bring it back um so i was on the couch with the wife and now i was like hey babe well they said once you fight him i was like you know guys i'm i'm grateful for the opportunity i was like i have no interest in being a world muay thai fighter like i i just don't it's not on my bucket list i don't really care but i was like i have no interest in being a world multi-fighter like i i just don't stand on my bucket list i don't really care but i was like but i will fight and i i said and i don't want to disrespect the other guys who been working their whole lives to capture that dream did you ask for mma first no i didn't i said let me let me let me finish the story goddamn okay sorry sorry cut me off joe was probably i I mean, one round MMA. No, no, I'm gonna get there. Okay.

You're going to love it. Okay. I hope you love it. I love it. I'm sure I love it. So I said, I said, I don't,

I don't want to take that opportunity for somebody else who wants to be a Muay Thai world champion. I was like, I was like, I'll still fight Rod Tang. We could fight through three, three threes. We do it in big gloves.

We can make it happen. And they're like, yeah, okay, we'll come back to you. We'll think of something. And they, they called me back. And I, and then i hung up the phone i thought to my wife and she goes who was that i was i was it was one she was where they went i was like don't fight

raw tank she goes what you want you to fight raw tank i was like yeah and she goes well how do you feel about it i was like it'll be fun you see what happens i was like remember this is what that's what they pay me to do is fight this is why i fight to make money right and she goes yeah yeah she was okay well know, he's very dangerous. So we'll see what happens. Then he called me back and I'm like, hey, how would we do a special rules fight? I was like, I'm listening.

And they're like, one round Muay Thai, second round MMA, third round Muay Thai, fourth round MMA. And I was like, and what are the rounds? She's like, three minute rounds. I was like, still same contract pay and all that stuff. And he was like, yeah,

but like, send a contract. And then when it got announced, Maki's like, dog, man, I can't believe you do MMA first. And he was like,

how come you argue for MMA? And I was like, guys, I'm 35 years old. I am tired of arguing and trying to get the upper hand and do all this shit. And I was like,

if I can't make it out the first round of Muay Thai, then so be it. I don't care. Like, I just don't care. And that's how I left it. I didn't care about if it was first round Muay Thai or second round. I didn't care, right?

I just truly didn't care. But we got to see the contrast that way. Exactly. Yeah. If we didn't, it would be. It would have been over the first round. I would have gone out there, take him down, pass guard, submitted him like, okay, GG's boy.

But, you know, like I said. GG's boy? Good game, baby. Oh. You're doing video game talk. Yeah, I am. I am. Sorry.

It's okay. I'm like, GG boys. You're a heavy duty gamer. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. But yeah, so there was no back and forth. And that's how, for me, that's how I wanted to be. I'm at the end of my career.

I know it. There's an end of the tunnel. I see it. I'm smiling, looking at it. And the last thing I'm going to do is sit here, go back and forth with the company. I'm like, I really think we should do MMA first. I was like, you know what? If I get knocked out the first round, I tried.

Did you talk to Brontang and all afterwards and ask him how he trained? I said, how hard did I hit you? Was it hard? He goes, it was okay. And I was like, hey, boys, hey, hey, we take that. We'll take that, you know? But the beautiful thing about over there is that it's like a frat house. Like, it's like a college house.

What I mean by that is, like, after that fight, you know, we're all in the back You see stamp you see Adriana. You see you yo, Wakamatsu. You see right saying we're all seen or just talking just chopping it up Like, you know, I remember Adriano told us damn fair taxi and samples like oh I wanted to win so bad She fought Angela Lee that angel II that night I believe and she was I wanted to win so bad and Adriano was like It's okay today. it wasn't your time. You have to learn. You learn from this, right? So we're all trying to make sure we all eat, right?

And it's not like you're back and you see fucking Leon Edwards and Jorge. They're always cutting each other down, right? That's the biggest thing that I don't like seeing. It's like you don't have to cut somebody down to make yourself look better, right? But that cutting down is part of the psychological warfare. Yeah. For a weak-minded person, yeah. I mean, you can say all the shit you want. When that cage goes, I'm getting it.

You're getting the full force of me. Like, I don't give two rats ass whatever you say to me. Like, you can say whatever you want. But when that door closes, I'm getting in your fucking ass. Has anybody ever pissed you off to the point where you fought differently? Nope. Nobody. Because it's, why are you saying something to begin with?

We're going to fight. We're going to fight. You can say whatever you want. I'm just going to bring it. There's two sides of me. There's me who's just chilling and happy-go-lucky. And then there's a dark side of me where it's like, they're paying me to fight. And this is what I provide my family.

So you can say whatever the fuck you want to me. When that door closes, I'm going to give you every bit of me. I fought with a broken hand, broken rib, broken leg. At the end of this, they're going to fix me back to 100%. But I'm going to give you 100% of me. Like I tell myself, give yourself, focus 125% meaty on this task at hand. So when I see people

cutting each other down in a psychological war, I'm like, why are you talking? Shut the fuck up and just fight. Like the Islam and Charles Olivera fight,

like them, I get goosebumps seeing them stare down and not talk. Right. Because I know the gravity of what they bring to the table. Yeah. Olivera is so respectful and that that makes me that turns me

on even more to those athletes right like people who talk like i made you do this who gives a fuck but in my opinion right people oh man it's selling tickets i don't care i'm watching because i i know the gravity of your skill set that's's what turns me on, right? But then there's a lot of things where I try to just, I try to push my way because I go down like a rabbit hole where I'm like, I don't need this. It's kind of like you when you're watching people getting murdered on the internet.

For me, I'm like, I just got to step away for a little bit and push it away. Yeah, but the good thing about the shit talking is pay-per-view buys. Exactly. Like what Connor does. Yeah, 100%. That thing about the shit-talking is pay-per-view buys. Exactly. Like what Conor does. Yeah, 100%. That dude brings eyeballs.

Yeah. 100%. And part of it is his ability. To talk? Yeah, but also to fight. Hey, I'm not going to lie. Hey, when Betch Grihera and Ronda Rousey were about to fight, and then I remember Betch said something to Ronda,

and Ronda was like, I'm going to beat this bitch's ass. I was like, I got to buy a pay-per-view. Fuck it. I'll beat. Buy it. You sold me like I got it I paid for you fucking IP bought it you sold me I purchased it right

and you know with Conor I mean he took the sport to a whole new level like I'll never forget I was playing Counter-Strike right and I'm sitting there

playing shooting people and then I was like y'all know who Conor McGregor is he goes yeah what have you been living on

a fucking rock I'm like this motherfucker made it to the gaming world. He don't even play video games. Like, good for you, Connor. Good for you. Do those people you're playing know it's you?

No. Living under a rock. Bitch, I've been living in a cage. Yeah. My favorite thing is like when I'm out and about. Like, you know, I live in a nice, nice place, you know, in Washington. And people will like, someone comes to me and goes, hey, man, can I get a picture? And, you know, I'll take a picture. I'm like, sure, why not? You know, if they know who I am, I'll, you know, Washington and people will like, someone comes and goes, Hey man, can I get a picture? And then, you know, I'll take a picture. I'm like, sure. Why not? You know what? They know who I am. I'll, you know, take a picture. Right. But then my favorite is

when people are like, you know, they're all looking around, they're looking at this small five, three black guy in the middle of nowhere with like two kids. And I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? And I'm like, Oh my God. Um, are you famous? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm famous. She goes, Oh my God, what do you do? So I like to have, I have a whole list of lies I like to do. One of them is I am a CEO of a pharmaceutical company. And they're like, oh, what type of pharmaceuticals? I'm like, oh, male enhancement pills.

Whatever you need. Just go on these lies. Why do you do that? Because it's fucking fun. That's why I do it. I do it. I do it. And then my favorite one was we'll go to a wedding. And we're at a wedding.

And some people recognize me. Some people don't. And they'll be like, oh, my God, who is that? And I'm like, oh, he's a famous person. And they're like, oh, what do you do? And I'm like, work for NASA. And they're like, just the most outlandish shit ever. I'm like, work for NASA.

And I was like, just got back from the moon. It's beautiful out there. And I was like, I didn't even know we went to the moon ever. I was like, what for NASA? And I was like, just got back from the moon. It's beautiful out there. And I was like, I didn't even know we went to the moon. I was like, absolutely. It's, you know,

there's a lot of shit out there. People don't just, just go on these stories. It's my acting career. That's what I'm working on, but I just do that. It's fun. So,

but my kids are getting older. So they're starting to cut my, they're starting to cock block me. They're like, no, no, no, it's him.

It's him. Yeah. It's Demetrius. It's him. Yeah. I was like, time. You can't do that.

Let me have my fun while it lasts. So him. Yeah, it's Demetrius. It's him. Yeah. Oh, no. I was like time you can't do that let me have my fun why what laughs so Yeah, that's that's where I get my my jollies. Yeah, but so well who's the like trash talk to you the most before a fight? I think I think the two people was probably John Dotson the second fight and Ray Borg Ray Borg. Mm-hmm. I remember when I fight John Dotson. He said fight, and Ray Borg. Ray Borg. I remember when I fought John Dotson, he said I was boring, X, Y, and Z. And so that fight, I was like, all right, I'm just going to take it to you. Like, when he kicked me in the balls, and, like, he kicked me, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no break. You don't get no fucking break at all.

And he was like, oh, okay, whatever. Even though I hurt, but you got that steel cup on, so it takes some of that absorption. But when he said to me, he was like being bored. And I was like, okay, I'm just going to push the pace. Like,

I'm just going to try to drown you. Right. And obviously I'm going to get the finish, but wasn't able to get it. And then Ray Borg, he said, my wrestling wasn't good. Right.

And so I made it a point that I'm going to outscramble you in that fight. Like every single scramble, I made sure I won that scramble because he said, I can outscramble you. Bro, that finish was one of the wildest submissions I've ever seen. Suplex to armbar in the air. Yeah.

In the air you caught it. And then when you told me that you practiced that. Yep. And then you hit that in practice. I mean, that is wild. That's one of the wildest finishes I've ever seen. Thanks, man. It was beautiful.

Yeah. When it got did to me first, Matt, he did it to me. And he caught me. And I was like, what the fuck was that? He first, Matt, he did it to me and he caught me and I was like, what the fuck was that? He goes, well, you're getting so good now. I can't just do a basic arm bar. Like I have to, I have to experiment essentially. And so when he did it, when he did to me, I was like, you have to teach it to me.

So I would do it and I do it. And he says, you know what your biggest weakness is? Deej. I'm like, what? He goes, you think, and I'd do it. And he says, you know what your biggest weakness is, Deej? I'm like, what? He goes, you think. Stop thinking and just do. And then when I was in the fight. That's some Bruce Lee shit right there. Yeah, man, it is, right?

Here it is. Let's take a look at it. Boom! That was so wild, man. That was so wild. Yeah, it's funny because he said, stop thinking. Just do. Just let your body do what it knows what to do.

And we just learned how to. Matt was teaching. Matt teaches in concept, which I love. And he said that if somebody's holding down their weight, right, if somebody's trying to be extremely heavy, it's going to be a lot harder to move somebody. Right. But if you can get them to move their weight or shift their weight a certain

way, then they're lighter. I was like, that's where he was teaching at that time. So in that fight, I had Ray Borg's back and he's being heavy. He's trying to like, he knows I'm gonna try to get a takedown.

He's trying to be heavy. So I said, okay, he's my mind. I was like, Hey, he's heavy right now. I was like, okay, I have to make him shift his weight. I don't want to

shift his weight. He needs to shift the weight. So I kept needing him and need him and need him. And then once he went like, I was like, perfect. You just shifted your weight. Go back, Jamie. If you get to, and that's sex stuff. Um, okay. At the beginning, he, he kind of elbows me in the back of the face. And once he elbowed me, he basically gave me his weight. And once he did that, I was like, perfect, thank you. And I just threw him up and got him. So, yeah. But that finish and my last Adriano finish was probably like,

if I can have it on my, not on my wall, but if someone was like, hey, what are your best finish finishes? I'll say those two, because I think that's the pinnacle of technique coming in real time. Well, the Adriano too, one of the beautiful things was you got him with the exact same thing he got you with.

Yes, but in a different way, a different way, 1000%. Um, and I think the distance control, following him, and then knowing the cage is coming, and then just giving everything I had into it was probably like,

that's like, doesn't get any better than that. That's like picture perfect. If you look at the slow-mo, you see I'm in southpaw position. I'm on the outside lead leg, lining up my left knee in milliseconds. You're playing with windows of opportunity that are open and closing like that. And then the Ray Borg one, it's like I'm throwing him up, and then I have to make sure when he loses his balance, I have to catch it and land and throw.

I like working with the windows of opportunity. So those two are like why they're my favorite because it's like when you break down the technique of it, it's like. Find the Adriano one because the Adriano finish in the last one was so beautiful what you're saying. Like, were you like, not that, not that? Bam, right there. Yeah, you can see it.

And it's funny. People are like, man, what'd you learn? And I was like, Matt, he's done it to me my whole career. Not blasting me in the face, but understanding, like, lighting up your knee, here comes the cage or here comes the ring. And then throwing. And he's done it to me. I've seen him do it to Rich.

I've seen him do it to Jens Pulver, Spencer Fisher. I've seen him do it to all those guys. So being able to do it in real time at a world championship level, it was, like, perfect. Yeah, it was – the timing of it was fantastic Yeah The fact that Matt has like Matt has been your coach and that you you're one of the greatest of all time It's kind of amazing that there's not more guys from him that are on that level. It takes a special I think Bond I think it takes a special

athlete You know, obviously injuries play a factor in that. Winning, competing, because you can teach somebody all that stuff, but to be able to do it under the lights at the right time. And it's not all the stuff that goes on in the gym. It's all the stuff that goes on at home as well, right? Like got to live a healthy lifestyle, got to have, you know, at home life's got to be amazing too. All that stuff comes in. Otherwise it fucks with your well, right? Like, gotta live a healthy lifestyle, gotta have, you know, at-home life's gotta be amazing too.

All that stuff comes in. Yeah, otherwise it fucks with your head, right? It does, right? I truly believe it does. I think so too. So it's, yes, it's, you know, some of the stuff you do in the gym, but it's also a lot of stuff you do at the house.

And this is when, yeah, look at this. Timing, bang. Oh my God, that's beautiful. And the walk off. Yeah, Olivier Kass says, I'm so glad that the fight ended there because I didn't want to have to pull you back to go fight more. And I was like, if you did, I would have came back, and I would have finished it.

I would have came back like, all right, let's keep going. How did you know that he was completely done when you walked off? I mean, it's a perfect knee, but, like, watching this lands, we got a stall on the internet here. Yeah, it's fine. So, boom, it goes down, and you just knew. You didn't even follow up.

I threw everything I had in that knee. Like, I threw everything I had in it, and I knew that it was, it was, and if it wasn't, if he got back up, he got up and he goes like even that fight like there's a part where I shot and then he

he defends the takedown because he's so fucking long and he starts neeming the head right and I'm like oh shit like oh shit

oh shit in my mind and then when he's switching over for the darts I said I'm not fucking done yet and I got up and then I kept on fighting so if he was to say the same thing

got up and goes I'm not done yet I'm like perfect I still got more energy to give you so that right hand was so perfect too the timing of that

and that knee on the fucking cheekbone yeah it was a good fight it was a beautiful fight and how satisfying was that for you to come back

from the first fight that you guys had it was good it was good but that guy's facing the right I think it's the matchmaker Rick he's hilarious for me It was good. It was good, but that guy's facing the right. I think it's the matchmaker, Rick.

He's hilarious. For me, after the first fight I had with him, I went through, like, I think 2019. I think it was 2019. 2020 was a huge, like, shift in my life, you know, that affected me differently and my mindset and so when i lost that first fight to him i was so wasn't mad about losing i was mad about i put so much pressure on myself about being perfect and it just drove me insane like everything, everything I want to do is perfect. I still had that in me, but... In what way? What do you mean? So, I don't know. Like, I felt like...

I remember being in the hotel room, and we watched the fight, and then I felt like it was just half their cope. So my sister passed during... I was getting ready for a fight, right? This is where it kind of stemmed from. So I was getting ready for a fight. My sister, she died.

And then seeing her pass, and then seeing basically the end game of life, right? Like being there and seeing her just like she's there and then seeing her go through the trauma and then her being gone and then seeing the traumatic how it affected my mom. And after, you know, I remember when everything happened, I was in the hospital and I was like, you guys need help clean up all this blood? Because I can help. And she goes, honey, that's okay. Just go home. I was like, all right, mom, I love you. Let me know if you need me. I go home, started balling.

My wife's there. And that was a huge movement in my life where I was like, that's fucking endgame. Like, doesn't matter what you've done before. You can either go peaceful or you go, you know, dramatic, right? So that happened. And that was,

and then it was pointing me. I was like, damn, like I called Matt. I was like, hey, I'm not gonna be in training today. I gotta go bury my sister.

Right? And I took a step back and I was like, fuck man, I'm always training for a fight. Always training for a fight. And my sister just died and I'm,

I can't go train because I gotta go bury her. But there was like weird shit to my mind. I was like, I'm always getting ready for a fight and my sister just died and i'm i can't go train because i gotta go bury her but there was like weird shit to my mind i was like i'm always getting ready for a fight always give me for a fight and then i went and fought won the world grand prix fast forward getting ready to fight adriano we go through covid 19 right all the gyms are shut down our gym kind of like we got uh relocated so there's only three of us training. And then I fight Adriano and I was, the game plan was there, but I just felt like I wasn't, Matty said, if I came back from the knockout, he was like, you know, when you left, I wasn't comfortable where you're at. Like when you left, I was like,

you're just gonna have to fight through this. You're going to have to just get through it. And then sitting in the hotel room and I was like, why am I putting this stress on myself? Why? For what? And then that was kind of like a snapping period. Then when I fought Rob Tang, I was like, everybody's so worried about winning and losing.

Why? Why? Because you're going to die someday. You're going to die someday. Right. So why the fuck are you worried about winning and losing? Are you having fun? Yeah. Okay, perfect. Who cares if you win or lose? So I went there and fought him. You're going to die someday. Right. So why the fuck do you worry about winning or losing? Are you having fun? Yeah.

Okay, perfect. Who cares if you win or lose? So I went there and fired him. I was like, all right. You know, I said, I told Matt, I was like, I'm not going to fucking run. Like, I'm going to exchange. Like, I don't care if he has a hard chance. I'm going to go out there and give him my best.

And then there's a ASAP Rocky said, when has it ever been cool to knock somebody down? It's never been cool. Whoever made it cool to belittle somebody or whatever is not cool, right? So that's always in the back of my head. So when I fought Ra Ting, and then I felt that success, not success, but I felt like I won the fight and everyone's like, oh, you did a good job. I was like, thanks, man. Appreciate it. Go back home, take care of the wife and kids. And then when I fought Adrian on the second time, I was like, we do the training camp. It was probably the toughest training camp, but I started doing things different.

Right. Like before I'm like, I got to be perfect. I can't, I can't have any beer. I can't go watch a concert. I got to be strict. And I was like, I think the last sparring session after the Adrian fight, I was like, went to a concert, had two beers, had a fucking chicken sandwich. And I'm like, I need to enjoy my life because eventually I'm going to die.

Right. And I don't want to be in my deathbed. Ibed I was like man I was so strict and all that stuff like I want to enjoy my life and so that right there from that traumatic thing in my life it's just shifting my my whole perspective like on my birthday August 13th I was my wife was like oh we didn't get you any alcohol we just got you know all water and I was like no give me a fucking glass of champagne like I'm 30 I'm 36 years old like I I've been doing this for fucking if I if I train eight weeks and I can have one fucking beer and it's going to change my outcome of winning this fight then I don't deserve to win the fight I guess so it is what it is so I feel like that that whole mindset has just made me a better a better athlete

better fighter because it's released some pressure from you? Pressure of being perfect. And that's how it is. I remember one day I just grappled that new wave. And I was grappling a kid who was 18 years old. And he was fucking working me. And someone who has an ego would be like, I'm the best fighter in the world. That should never happen.

For me, I'm like, dude, you're fucking good. Good job. I'm so excited to see what you've been able to achieve. And in nine years, you've been grappling under John Donaghan. Like, I'm so happy for you. So proud of you. I want to follow you. I want to follow your career, right?

Like, just my whole mindset has just shipped. And, yeah, I don't know what it is. I mean, I know what it is. It's that. But for me, that's how I like to look at my fights now. And, yeah, it's been making me. Randy Couture said that once to me. Yeah.

He was talking about fighting and winning. He's like, so many people put so much pressure on winning. He's like, he goes, you do your best. Yeah. He goes, you're trying to win. Yeah. And if you lose, the same people who love you, they're still going to love you. You're still going to have your friends.

Yep. You're going to be okay. Yeah. And that's, that's, that's like taking my game to a whole new level like i truly believe that like but i believe that believe that like just that mindset of just like i don't give a fuck what happens like like they're like who are you gonna fight yes i'm like i don't care doesn't change doesn't change my pay doesn't change my outlook on life doesn't doesn't change me from my end game which which is financial freedom, right?

So I don't care who it is, you know, when it is. I just want to make sure that I never lose focus of my endgame. And, yeah, that's helped me a lot. So when you went over to 1FC, like, how did they pay over there? They paid good. Is it comparable to the UFC? Is it better? Everybody's contract is different.

Everybody's contract is different. I'm happy. I'm very happy where I'm getting, but everybody's totally different. Do you feel? I don't like arguing, right? I don't like, like I remember when I fought, what was it? Like I remember when I fought Chris Carrioso, I made, fuck, I don't like, like I remember when I fought, what was it? Like I remember when I fought Chris Carrioso, I made, fuck, I don't know. I made, let's say I made $150,000, right?

And then I would fight the next challenger, Kyoji Horiguchi, I would make less money. Right? And I'm like, how the fuck is this? Because you always get your show and your win. Excuse me. Your show and your win, right? Right. Your show might be $150,000 and your win's $50,000 bonus.

Typically, it goes up by an escalator of $3,000, $10,000, $15,000. It all depends, right? But then when I fought Chris Carriazo, I made, let's say, $150,000. And then when I fought Kyojo Oguchi, I made less. Even though the pay, it went up, I still made less money. Why? I don't know why. Because I didn't get pay-per-view points at the time.

Right? And so I was like, I remember telling Sean, I was like, hey, Sean, can I just fight that guy again? Because I made more money fighting Chris Carrioso than if I fought Kyoji Horiguchi. And he goes, no, no, you can't do that. Da, da, da, da. But did he say, I don't understand why you're making less when you're winning. I don't know.

It was, I think it was probably because pay-per-view points, bonus, I have no idea. Right? It just, but I didn't get pay-per-view points, bonus, I have no idea. But I didn't get pay-per-view points. So that's the biggest thing. And then I remember when it came time for me to renegotiate my contract, after I beat Henry Stewart the first time, I argued. And I not argued, but I fought for pay-per-view points. Because that's where you start making that next wealth.

Like, shit, Jon Jones hasn't fought in in what? Two, three years? And he's made all that money in pay-per-view points so he has that opportunity to take two to three years off. For me, I fought and fought and fought and I was like, I want pay-per-view points. Even though I don't draw, hopefully one day I am a draw,

but if I land on a Conor fight or I've always... If I land on a Conor fight or a John Jones fight or whatever That's gonna bring in eight hundred seventy five thousand pay-per-view buys you make three hundred fifty K And then you the pay-per-view structure is zero to two hundred zero dollars two to four a dollar Four to six, you know dollar fifty and six to eight, you know two dollars you add all that up You're walking out with a two million dollar paycheck, right? So you do that five to hat, you know pay-per-view points on 11 consecutive title defense you do the fucking math that'll be way well off so um

yeah so did you get it no no no i got it on one fight and that's when i fight henry pseudo the second time but i feel like they gave that to me after i fought uh ray borg i was about to fight ray borg. We're in Toronto. I was in Montreal. We're in Canada. I was cutting weight. They called and said, hey, stop cutting weight. He's not going to make it.

I'm like, what the fuck, man? We're going to push the fight back to three weeks later. Fought in Vegas. And after I beat him in Vegas, I was like, hey, we're going to give you pay-per-view points on your 11th on this one against Henry Sudo. And that was it. So I was always at a, at a ceiling, but I don't like that back and forth.

I don't like the tension. I don't like the tension. I don't like the negotiation. It's like, Hey, this is what I want. This is what I think I'm worth. How can we get here?

Right. It would just, there was never any transparency, just chill and talking at a non-hostile environment. That makes sense. And how is the difference between the way they treat you at one FC? It's great. We talk.

For us to have that conversation about the Ra Ting fight is how it should be. It should be like a marriage, right? It should be like, hey, we want you to fight Ra Ting for the world title. And I'm like, you know what?

I appreciate that, but I think that's deserved for somebody else who has worked his whole life to get that opportunity. Right? Okay, well, what did you have in mind? I was like, well, I would love to fight him.

You know, let's do Muay Thai. I feel like that dialect should be going. But obviously, we never got to that point when I was in, you know, the UFC. But is there like a more hostile relationship with the UFC when you were there versus the UFC? Oh, 1,000%. relationship with the UFC when you were there versus Oh 1000% because remember at the time it's

did you see that the man who tried to race the UFC the man who tried to race the UFC the UFC tried to race me

it's they tried to race you? Patrick Gaby did it it's on YouTube he did a huge piece on it and at the time

when I was going through my title reign, they were talking about getting rid of the division, right? So there's always tension because they're trying to get rid of the division. You know what I mean? Yeah. So imagine that. You're killing it. You're fucking just destroying everybody in the division.

And next thing you know, the CEO or the boss, he goes, I'm going to get rid of that fucking division because it's not bringing any money. How do you think that's going to make you feel? Not good. Exactly. So that's where the tension starts to batter. So how are you going to have a relationship with somebody who wants to get rid of your division

when you're going out there trying to put on an exciting fight? So that's where the tension started from. I'm trying to remember. Was this before WME bought the UFC? Yes. I totally forgot about all this until this guy did it. And I sat there and watched and I'm like, holy shit, I forgot about that. I forgot

about all the things that was set up publicly. One thing that does really bother me is that they don't address you. Like when, you know, you talk about the elites of the elites and some of the greatest ever and you know show highlight reels it's like how the fuck do you leave out mighty mouse because like for years i was saying you're the best ever for years i was like the expression of technique if

you just look at what he's able to do in there who the fuck is better yeah you know there's i know that the talent at 125 at least at the time that you were running shit yeah was not the same as the talent at 205 or 85 or 70 there was just the the talent was better because there's more people that size yeah absolutely but the expression of technique like if that's what we're really concentrating on is excellence yeah which is what i think we really should be thinking about. Like, how the fuck do you ignore that? I think it's because

I'm still active, right? So what? It doesn't hurt anybody. I know, I know. I'm not a businessman, clearly. Yeah, I'm not either. Well, I am a little bit,

but yeah, I totally agree with you. I think it's because I'm still active, right? So what? If they're like, man, if they're like, oh, you know,

one of the greatest ever, Demetrius Johnson, you know, did all this stuff and they're like, damn, what happened to Demetrius Johnson? Google, of the greatest ever, Demetri Johnson, you know, did all this stuff. And they're like, damn, what happened to Demetri Johnson? Google, Demetri Johnson, what he's doing? Oh, he's fighting in one championship. Oh, which one championship? Oh, what?

Oh, oh. Yeah, kickboxing, Muay Thai. Oh, I'm going to start watching this. Financially, though, 1FC supposedly is struggling. They're doing fine. There was something recently they lost $100 million. Yeah. I think I'm not a financial guru.

You're not? Wait a minute, you're think i'm not a financial guru uh i think not wait a minute not scientists or financial no when it comes to that i think chachere hit on it when he was on uh his last interview on air hawaii he's like when you're trying to expand right like it's going to cost capital and you got to raise revenue so when he when he explained it that way it makes total sense right i think amazon like for the longest time they didn't make any revenue They just put all the money they made back in and just put it back into company to expand more and more more, right? You get to meet Jeff Bezos No, he's not the CEO anymore. He's he's down still don't you want to meet him? Oh, yeah, I want to go I want to go to his blue origin going to space

Well, I always tell myself like like, Elon Musk, when he's trying... I just think, like, Elon Musk, when he's talking about, like, colonizing Mars. And I think, like, if I didn't have any kids and... Fuck that. And I wasn't married, and I'm, like, 62, and I'm, like, fucking shredded. And I'm like, I'll go to Mars, Elon. Bro, that's six months in a spaceship. You've been a hyper...

Oh, six months? You've been a what? A hyper what? What are you saying? You ever seen Aliens 2? That shit ain't real. Yeah, not when you have Elon Musk building shit. I'm sure it could be real.

You think you're going to go into suspended animation for six months? Come on, man. That's a science fiction movie. Hyper sleep, hyper sleep. Fuck out of here. That ain't real you just you'll die six months of your life of not existing i'm sure i can make it happen you you gave me you gave me internet i mean he's got starlink up there you gave me internet i don't

think you get starlink when you're halfway to mars i think it cuts out i think it's like when you're a plane over the ocean the wi-fi goes You said, I think it cuts out where you're halfway to Mars. Yeah, you're like, shit, I can't even check my Facebook. Yeah, I'm like, oh, damn it. Well, you know what? I like to live in my fantasy land, so I think it would be cool just to see what happens if we do colonize Mars and get up there.

I think it would be dope. Well, it'd definitely be dope once it's already done and settled. You just don't want to be an early adopter. Yeah, yeah. At least I don't. I mean, I know a lot of people of people do yeah there's a lot of people that are dying to go out there yeah but i feel like those people are crazy you know hey you gotta be pioneer sometimes you gotta i guess i don't know i just think like jeff bezos like that's how you're supposed to live when you're a billionaire yeah supposed to get jacked yeah i get a bombshell girlfriend see baller yacht see that's that's what i'm supposed to live when you're a billionaire. You're supposed to get jacked, get a bombshell girlfriend, the baller yacht.

See, that's what I'm talking about. You're spreading positivity, right? Like, here's a man, he's worked his whole life, and now he's able to enjoy the fruits of his labor. They never, somebody was talking, I'm like, talking shit about him being all jacked. I'm like, who cares if he's jacked? What do you want him to do, be fat like Bill Gates? Exactly. I want him to be jacked.

Yeah, what does he happen? It's like, that's the thing about- Balling out of control, son. Balling out of control. But he was like, hey, you want that? Hey, see what I'm getting at? fat like Bill Gates? Exactly. I want him to be jacked. Yeah, what does he happen? Balling out of control, son. Hey, you want that? How many people get to have a hundred million bucks? Or a hundred billion? Very few. I feel like when you got that, you're supposed to ball. You're supposed to, yeah.

You have an obligation to all of us watching, you should be out there balling. To ball out. When he got that hot girlfriend, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos. when he's on the yacht with his shirt off looking like a fucking mma fighter my fuck yeah jeff bezos yeah i love it yeah ever you said that now i was like look at joe spreading that positive i love that i'm all about people excelling i love watching people excel i love it i don't like people falling down i mean i like when douchebags get their comeuppance but i really wish they would just learn and get better that's what ultimately i want. I don't like people falling down. I mean, I like when douchebags get their comeuppance, they just started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. And when they go out there, I see them get destroyed.

And I'm like, and they get upset. I'm like, dude, it's okay. It's part of the thing. It's part of the thing. And I said, you can always get better. You don't suck. You're just not knowledgeable yet in the sport or in the game. The beautiful thing is you have all this room for growth. Exactly.

And then when you do get better, man. Yep. I remember when I first started submitting people when I was a blue belt It was like the most magical feeling in the world like oh my god. Yeah, now I'm winning exchanges Yeah, whereas before I was getting my ass handed to me every day finally I'm getting taps It was so exciting and you get to see like oh my god I'm getting product all that drilling is paying off now. I can hit those moves now. I i see it yeah it's that's one of the greatest things about being a new person at something yep and not having any skill is that you have so much room for growth you can get better yeah i think

seeing my children do because for who i am and what i've done in mixed martial arts in athletics like i've never wanted to push my kids into doing any type of martial arts at all. Like I told my wife, like, I don't want them to do it. Right. But Tyron came home talking shit. He did. Right. He did. So he came home and I was like, me and my wife, we have a strict bedtime. It's like, hey, 7 o'clock, you're upstairs brushing your teeth, 7.30, you're reading your book, and then 8 o'clock, it's lights out. No ifs, ands, or buts. That's what it is, right? So we're going on that schedule.

Tyron, he's on the top bunk. He goes, y'all expect me to go to bed at this fucking time? And I'm like, How old is he? Well, at the time, he's eight. Eight years old, right? Oh, my God. Eight-year-old target shit. He's up to my chest, right?

And I've never laid a hand on my kids, right? Me being raised, I've been whipped or whatever. Like, we all have in the 80s and 90s, right? But for me, I have never laid a finger on my kids, right? You can't. Well, no, I can't. But you really can't. I really never laid a finger on my kids right so for me you can't Well, I know I can't you but you really can't I really can't right yeah, so I've never spent not even this spanking No spanking. It's like for you. We try to me my wife want to break the cycle of like talk Yeah, communicate communicate communicate. Why are you upset tell me why you're upset so how can we get figure this out right right? So he's up there. He's just gone hopped on the fucking dance pit.

And I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me get this straight. So you can't go to bed at 8 o'clock and the reason why... He goes, I got all this fucking energy. That's why you expect me to just go to bed? And I was like, you have all this energy to burn? He goes, yeah. And I was like, okay. Okay. Next day, I was like like guess what guys sign you up for brazilian jiu-jitsu he goes what is this i'm like oh it's it's grappling and then we found an amazing place by by the well i i trained there right like typically i'm always training amc right

because matt's there but then that's an hour hour and 15 minutes from the house so it's very hard to make that drive all the time especially the kids the kids in school. I want to be part of their lives and cook them breakfast. When they come from school, I want to be there. So the longest time what I would do between my training camps, I would not train at all. Like I'll just lift weights and stay fresh. But then I saw a note to myself back in 2011 of me, a diary of me writing down my weight cuts. And I was like, I weigh 142 pounds and it's 10 years later, I still weigh 142 pounds. So all that weight lift in between there, I didn't gain any weight. So I was like, huh, I need to find something else to do besides lift weights. Like how can I better myself with my crap? So then my old coach,

friend Steve Skids, he was like, hey, you should come grapple, grapple at this place. I was like, I don't want to grapple. There's nobody better than, you know, ain't nobody better than, you know, Matt out there. Right. So I went and I grappled. His name is Professor Yan. I grappled him. It was a fucking murder.

He just destroyed me. I said, what? Pure jujitsu, right? I was like, what just happened? And I was like, okay, that was in no gi. I was like, okay, I'm going to put my gi on. See what you got there. It was even worse.

It was bad. So his gym is right down the street from my house. So I was like, okay, perfect. I train with him. I trust him. I trust his curriculum. I trust how he teaches through Tyron and Maverick in there. And so now to get back to the full context of this rant is that to see my kids and that light flash in their head about doing technique, drilling, being accountable, showing up on time, doing all that stuff, them getting their first stripe, their second stripe, their third stripe. They're about to compete on Sunday for their first ever jiu-jitsu tournament. It's amazing to see. It makes me excited for the end of my career, right? Because I look forward to

being with my children and helping them, guide them through life where it's like, everybody's like, man, what are you going to do when you retire? I was like, hopefully whatever the fuck I want. If I want to wake up and Make my kids breakfast and send them off to school go to the gym lift some weights come home pick them up like hey Yeah, what y'all want to do right and I think that's because me growing up. I didn't have a father figure right I had multiple, but I didn't have somebody who was there all the time you know so Yeah, I agree when you're something when you're new at something and to see improvement is amazing yeah it is it's beautiful it's good for everybody and i think that's one of

the things that fucks people up in life is that they continue to do the same thing they don't do any new things and you don't you don't develop new pathways of thinking yep and the beginner's mindset which it's a very important mindset And also the mindset of not having an ego and always being willing to learn. And that's what I think made me even, what's been making me better because when I started, I would never train outside of AMC.

Never, right? Eventually AMC and Chargers Combat Club, we came together and our team, so let me get back to full spectrum. So all my title defenses, UFC, all my fights in one championship, I'm about to fight Ali Bogatinov, Samba World Champion, blah, blah, blah, blah. We need to bring in five Samba World Champions. We need to do X, Y, and Z.

You see those guys all week. We're fighting. I think Jon Jones, when he's fighting Alex Gustafsson, he brought in a boxing guy just right? Just to give him that boxing. I've never done it in my whole entire career. Never, never believed it. Still don't believe in it. Right? So what we did now is that we brought in, not brought in, we merged together with Charlie's Combat Club and AMC. So now we have a bigger team. And then I started training just pure jujitsu, right? Now I'm spending probably two to three days in a gi by an hour and a half, two hours in the morning before my next training session at night. So that's one of the things I've done. And that's

been able to make me better because it makes me think, right? Like somebody says, why are you in a gi? You don't fight in a gi. And I was like, I know. But I want to understand this game. And if I can understand what's holding me from passing his guard. Like I'll be trying to pass him his guard. And I was like, why the fuck am I not past your guard yet? Like this is absolutely insane. I should be past your guard. And I'm like, you're holding me.

Why are you holding me? How are you holding me? It starts to stimulate my brain. And so when I get in my gi starts to stimulate my brain and so when i get in my gi and i take my gi off i'm cut through guard like butter baby it's it's just different like my and so when i fight adriano when i was on my back i was like i'm here all fucking day like i'm gonna get tired i'm not able to like do i felt like in that fight i dealt most of my damage from my back from spending so much more time in my gi grappling.

Does that make sense? It does in a way, and it certainly makes you more defensively responsible. Yes, defensively responsible, but now as I sit back and watch that fight, the last fight with him, now I'm like, okay, so he was able to do this, X, Y, and Z. So I told myself, I bet you I could probably

submit it off my back. I'm going to try. So I've been working more in my off my back just to get better. Because I feel like a lot of people lose fights when they're on their back, but how can I be offensive off my back? So, I mean,

to have the mindset to be willing to change and do things different and, I mean, I'm 16, 18 years in my career and started to do something totally different is kind of contributing to me getting better and having no ego staying fresh staying fresh yep 1000 beginners mindset yep absolutely and always improving even though you're you know an elite fighter for a long period of time yep that's probably why you're still at the top of

your game yeah but I can't I can't I can't fight forever so i gotta you know figure things out how many more years do you think you have what you said you're 36 now 36 so i i get myself i told myself four more fights four more fights four more fights which would be two years two two fights a year right but then as i get older i find things pulling pulling myself pulling me away from that right like my children my businesses um my wife want to travel with her you know there's so many things I want to do um so I I get myself former fights sometimes I even look at it and I'm like shit it might be too just because my body like it doesn't heal as fast. It just doesn't, you know? And so we'll see. We'll see. I mean, I'm just trying to stay focused, do different things.

You know, I always tell people like, it's important to focus on what makes you most of your money, but you have to branch off to do different things, right? Like I just started investing in tech. I invested in my quantum energy square bars. Those are good. Yeah. Oh, I'm glad you did. Yeah. Tell people what it is again because you talk like you fight.

You talk a million miles an hour. I know. Your scenario is like, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. They flow into each other. No, no, no. I'm paying attention. But I don't know what the fuck you said the name of your bars are. Neither does anybody else.

Quantum energy squares. Quantum energy squares. Yes. Yes. We just launched in HEB, which is a big thing here in Austin. That's one of the things I'm doing here as well. It's the first to market caffeinated bars. And it's basically whole foods mixed with caffeine.

And it gives you that long-lasting energy. So typically in the morning when people have their coffee or however you get your energy consumption where it's caffeine. Well, mostly caffeine. There it is right there. Oh, there it is right there. I ate one before this podcast. They're very delicious. Well, I sent it.

I gave some to my father-in-law when he goes hunting over in Idaho and Utah, and he'll eat them, and it gives him good energy. Because you hunt. You know how fucking long you're out there for. Yeah. You're out there for a very, very long time. It's a lot of energy you're burning, too. Right?

And sometimes, like, when I... I had one the other day in the morning, because Tan i call her miss heard because she's it's my four-year-old daughter she her sleep patterns are so horrible that it's not even funny i'm like i don't understand what's going on so i would sleep i would put her to bed at eight she wakes up at midnight then put it back to bed she wakes up at 3 a.m and then then I got to go train. I was like, I need something to give me and pick me up. I hate coffee because I feel like it dehydrates me. And so I'll

take one of these bad boys, chop it up, put it in my oatmeal, throw some chocolate milk in there as well. Mix that bad boy up. Eat that. Go to the gym. Feel great, man. So what is in it? You said it has 100 milligrams of caffeine. So the caffeine

is equivalent to one cup of coffee, right? So it has the whole foods in it. It has pumpkin seeds, MCT oil, chia seeds. We have multiple flavors, coconut flakes. My favorite flavor is a dark chocolate pink Himalayan salt. Yes, sir. Is that a mix of those? This is a variety pack.

So is the pink Himalayan salt one in there? Yeah, I think you already ate that one already. Is that what I ate? That shit was good. There's one more. Yeah, so this one right here. But just this side of life, starting businesses and aligning myself with businesses, the very first packaging we had on this, it was great, right?

But then to see when we changed the packaging to see the difference of the sales it was like night and day just the way it looks just the way it looks just the way it looks it let people know it's more of a lifestyle right you don't have to eat this if you're a professional athlete or whatnot right just just those things you know another business and i do is uh zekin which is you probably know some stuff about this when you stream not stream but when you're on YouTube right and you have your ads coming through you don't get to dictate what ad comes on or whatnot right right you don't get to do that but with Zekin we want to give the power

back to the creator right so a lot of stuff has been going on with twitch YouTube you have mixer Jamie can talk about So a lot of stuff that's been going on with Twitch, YouTube, you have Mixer. Jamie can talk about this a little more because he's in this room with me. You have Facebook as well. A lot of the content creators, when they make their content, they're only getting a certain amount of revenue split,

whether it's 50-50, 70-30. It's very unheard of. You get 80-20, right? So with Zekin, we're trying to give the power back to the creator where Joe gets to choose what ads he wants to be ran on his content, right? Because if you go on Twitch, it might be fucking Domino's pizza and you have no say so what's on there, right?

So with Zekin, we're trying to give that back to the content creator. So that's another thing that we're going to, what is it as a platform? So it's, it's a, it's a live, it's a live broadcasting studio, right?

So that's like, it's, it's basis right now. Right. And what basis? Well, it's pretty, what it is right now.

Okay. Right. And so how I use it or how it's being used is you go on a live stream. I live stream. I send you the link. Right. stream. I send you the link, right? And when I send you the link, I'm doing a seminar in there, right? And let's say you want to be able to ask me a question. You raise your hand. We're trying to fix this. My job is to break this and make it more polished, right? So you raise your hand, you raise your hand. I bring

you into the actual live stream itself. So there are a couple things out there that are kind of like that, like StreamYard or whatever it may be, but that's taking a screen capture of your camera to where I'm actually bringing it to the live feed. But is this a separate platform or are you using this like on Twitch? No, this is a separate platform. So it's a new

platform. It's a new platform. New platform. Right? So a new streaming platform where you control the ads. That's what we're getting to. That's what you're trying to get. That's what you're trying to get to. But the way I like to use it, when I got brought on, is I was sitting in the office in Seattle.

It's a startup company. I was sitting there, and he's showing me all the stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I know what this is. He goes, you do? And I was like, yeah, this is like OBS, XSplit. And he goes, what do you mean? And I was like, well, you have your your canvas and you put overlays over it and then you stream it out to your your customer and then with and he goes oh you you want to be part of the company i would

love to have your insight and i was like absolutely because something i do all the time when i'm streaming on twitch right but if i was to give you obs you know you know, you, you'd be like, what the hell am I doing with this DJ? And I'm like, well, build something with this. We're trying to make it friendly, uh, friendly user to where if you give it to somebody, they're able to like, Hey, I'm dragging this here, this here. And you'll be surprised how people are like, this is too sophisticated. I'm like, it's pretty easy. So here's right here, dropping the product and it gives you all the, the formation selling. But also like when someone is on the stream, like if you're wearing a shirt on the stream, someone could click on your shirt and sell the shirt. Yeah. And the biggest thing is like when I used it, I use it for my podcast when we're doing it. And like I said,

my job is to break it. So I had had like eight i think seven people all at once just chatting right seeing if the see if the audio is good no no drops if it's all if it's all uh just going good nobody's dropping no frames are dropping and there's a gentleman who was i sent him a link and he was like we're all chatting he goes hey i have a question so what's up and he goes i'm having a hard time boxing like with my one two combination i'm like okay go on i'm listening and he started breaking down he goes i feel like when i throw my one two i'm overextending and i said okay well let's pull up a video so i'm able to pull up a video and we're all eight of us are allowed to watch it together and i could break it down live with him and i'm like okay so you see how this

gentleman's going one, two, and he's not really overcommitting with the two. He's just going pop, pop, pop, pop. And he goes, oh, yeah, I see that. I'm able to break that down in live time with that gentleman. So that's one of the cool things about the program as well. So it's interactive. It's very interactive.

Very interactive. Is that scalable? Like if you've got 1, thousand people in a room with you well i mean we'd fucking try but it's like i said we're trying to work to that point right so right now we're slowly getting uh getting more things we have a new update coming out in november um where you can actually start having certain scenes and size certain things down so i'm just trying to stimulate my brain out of mixed martial arts right because i can't fight forever right so right now i fought in august so from august till

maybe first quarter 2023 i need to fill my time up with stuff besides my wife and the children right and this is the stuff like try to create businesses try to create businesses right because you realize that this is the home stretch this is the home stretch i know it is like i'm not i'm not afraid of it i'm not i'm smiling at it because at some point you have to stop you have to like i feel like you just have to as an athlete because if my body recovered like it was when i was 26 then yeah i can see myself going for another 10 to 15 years but shit my, my shin still hurts from kicking Adrian in August. Does it really? Well, I was grappling yesterday, and somebody was on my shin.

I was like, fuck, that still hurts. I'm like, why is that still hurting? I got x-rays. I got, what's it called? MRI. Not MRI. Ultrasound. Ultrasound.

Because when I fought Henry, I got a blood clot in my right leg, and I didn't know why. Well, I know why. But I was like, my right leg. And I didn't know why. Well, I know why. But I was like, my right leg hurts. Why does it still hurt? Excuse me. Next thing you know, I try CBD oil, rub it in on there. Still hurting.

Waking up in sweats. Go to the doctor. I actually talked to the, what's her name? Heather, who is, she's the UFC's, she does all the therapy, physical therapist. And she goes, I think you might have a blood clot. And I was like,

okay. I go to the doctor and I was like, hey dude, I need a ultrasound on my right leg. He goes, why?

He was like, I think I got a blood clot. He goes, look at you. You're a fucking specimen. Get out of here. I'm like, okay,

whatever. I left. That's a ridiculous thing for Get out of here. I'm like, okay, whatever. I left. That's a ridiculous thing for a doctor to say. I know that. That's what he said, though. Then I called him back, and I was like, hey, dude, I'm still in pain. Give me the ultrasound. I'll give you cash.

Just give me the ultrasound. Did the ultrasound. I left. He called me back ASAP. He goes, dude, you need to get in here right now. I was like, what's up? He goes,

that is the biggest blood clot I've ever seen. Get in here now. And then I was on, what was the medication I was on? Zerato. I was on Zerato for three months straight. And he goes, do not get cut.

Do not get any internal bleeding because I cannot reverse this. My dad, my father-in-law, he's on Coumadin, I believe it is, which that one's reversible, because he has a heart defect where his blood needs to be thin.

So the blood clot was from an impact? It's from me just kicking the shit out of him in that fight, over and over and over and over. And he said it was from the trauma. And I was like, really? Then one doctor said, oh, it's because you're dehydrated. i'm like okay so every single time after my fights like when i have my shins be bruised for that long for two to three weeks i'm like i'm gonna get ultrasound he goes doesn't hurt to get it just because you're susceptible to them because you've had them before in the past

so but yeah my chef the only time you'd ever have a blood clot was from that from that yeah there's only time and it's just And it's just from the trauma of kicking. Just from the trauma of kicking. Shin to shin. Yep. But imagine that. Like, you have that, and it's like, I can't do this forever. Right, right.

Right? And so that's why I have to think outside the box. What do you do for recovery? Are you doing ice baths, sauna? Are you doing? So when I was fighting Rod Tang, I was doing ice baths. I was doing that. And. I was doing that. And then I would do the hot tub.

But then it got super cold and my fucking ice bath froze. So I couldn't use it anymore because we live in Washington. So it just gets below 40 degrees. So it was just a pick of ice. So now, honestly, the only thing I do for recovery is just chill, hang out with the wife. So it became a solid piece of ice? One big solid ice, like an ice skating rink. But you need to get one that doesn't get that cold.

I know, I know, I know. I'm working on it. What kind of an ice bath was it? It was a trowel. It was a horse trowel. Oh, so it was just like some primitive thing. Just primitive. Yeah, okay.

Just fill it up with water and then climb in there. Climb in there. It got to like, I think the lowest we got it was like 47 degrees. But that shouldn't freeze. No, that's the lowest we got it. But that was at a certain point in time in the wintertime. Then it got lower. The temperatures dropped even more.

Like this is probably the most like barbaric thing. Not barbaric, but it's like I put water in it and we get freezing temperatures in Washington State. So it just stays cold. So it stays cold. So it stays cold. So it actually got a big solid block of ice. You're an elite professional athlete. You need to get yourself a real cold plunge. I know.

I know. I'm sure someone will send you one. I just bought a sauna from Costco, though. So we're going to go home. Yeah. So I'm making the right steps, right steps to get there. Have you put that together yet? Not yet.

No, no, no, no. The sauna's huge. Yeah, I just saw yours and that's, we got the, not ice barrel, but the barrel sauna. Yeah, we have a saloose.

It's a saloose sauna. I love it, man. The one that we have here at the studio, best sauna I've ever had. It's amazing. It's perfect size. I noticed a difference

when I was in the ice bath because, not ice bath, but the ice plunge because when I was sparring, the Muay Thai sparring, Matt was on me like white on rice. In my face, flowing. And this is why my mindset had to change. Because when you're getting ready to do a Muay Thai fight with Bronte,

the amount of kicking I was doing and the amount of injuries I had. I remember I pulled my groin and then I was doing and the amount of injuries I had, like I remember I pulled my grain, my grain, my groin, and then I was kicking. I remember I kicked, I kicked James and I jumped off him and I planted and I started stumbling. Matt goes, whoa, what the fuck is that? And I was like, uh, my foot. And he goes, what's wrong? And I was like, I can't walk.

Well, I couldn't walk. I can't, I can't plant to throw. He goes, what happened? I was like, well, I'm fucking kicking all day and kicking elbows, kicking knees. So what do you want me to do? Stop? And he was like, no, we got to rest. We got to find other ways to train around that. But all the sparring I would do, so my routine would be Monday,

Monday we pads conditioning. Tuesday we'd be sparring, hard sparring at night. And then Wednesday would be hard grappling. And then Wednesday we'll be hard grappling. And then Wednesday night we'll be off. So after the hard Wednesday grappling, come home, jump in the cold plunge. So I'll do 10 minutes in the cold plunge.

10 minutes? Really? Oh, dude. Wow. Dude, I've done 47 minutes in... What? Yeah. 47 minutes? Oh, excuse me, that's 47. 47 degrees. That's the lowest I've got. So I've done, in 47 degrees, I've done 10 minutes. 47 minutes. Oh, excuse me. That's 47. 47 degrees. That's the lowest I've got. So I've done 47 degrees. I've done 10 minutes. 10 minutes in there. 10 minutes in a hot tub.

10 minutes in there. And I love it. I notice a huge difference. So me and my wife are trying to get the sauna set up first. Then we'll look for the next step to keep, you know. I saw GSB has the ice barrel. And I know ice barrel doesn't offer the temperature but I saw his had a temperature

where he can regulate the temperature and his. I don't know about that one. What does he have? It was on his Instagram. GSP's Instagram. I saw it and I was like,

he got a, I wonder if his is, Does he have some sort of a cooling element in it? Yes, he wasn't advertising it. It was like something that I'm going through

and I follow him and I saw it and I was like, what's that thing right here? I screenshot it and I was like, what's that thing right here? I screenshotted it and I was like, what is that? And I tried to zoom in on it, but I didn't know what it was. And I went to their website and I was like, I don't see that. So we're trying to find a solution for the cold plunge.

What's going to be the easiest non-maintenance thing that I can use in order to have that cold go back and forth? Well, you have a good social media platform. I'm sure someone will want to give you one after listening to this. Maybe. We'll see. Here it is. Not that one. So that's him pouring ice in there.

Yeah, not that one. It's a different one. He actually had it on. Just go to his actual Instagram and see. He was talking. He goes, you guys, if you want to. I think it was challenges or whatever. I think it was his morning routine.

It was just him jumping in real quick and on the very far right. That's not GSP. That poor girl probably gets attacked constantly. That's awesome. Like, who are you? She's only got 630. There it is, George St. Pierre. So scroll down a little bit.

Right. I think it's that one right there. Right there, the middle one. Yep. You see that thing in the bottom to the bottom here, right? Seems like the same one. Oh, okay. that one right there. Right there. The middle one. Yep. You see that thing in the bottom to the bottom here, right? It seems like the same one. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Look at it right there. Look at that. Look at that. Oh, interesting. You ain't fooling nobody. Interesting. See that right there. I saw that and I was like, they don't offer that on a website, but what is that?

Huh. Because that looks very- I'll go to the website and see what I can find. It says big project in the work. So maybe it's that. Maybe it's that. You got me. You got me, GSP.

You get it. So I'm just trying to look at the most very convenient way to do it. Like the sauna, my buddy has one. He says, dude, all I have to do is stay in it twice a year and that's it. Set it and leave it. That's the sauna that he has. And he's had it for a year. And I'm like, perfect.

I'll buy it. It's easy. Well, we've had this sauna for a long time. And I've got one at home, same company. So what's your maintenance?'m like, perfect. Yeah. I'll buy it. It's easy. Well, we've had this sauna for a long time, and I've got one at home, same company. So what's your maintenance? Sauna, nothing. Zero. That's what I want.

Turn it on. But I know with the hot tub I had, it was like, you got to check the chemicals, you got to check all that stuff. And I'm like- Hot tub's not as good. The reason why hot tub's not as good is because it can't get as hot, because you'll cook. But I mean, just- You can cook in dry air in the sauna.

Exactly. You can get really hot, and that's when your body produces the heat shock proteins. But with the maintenance of the sauna, not worry about how hot it gets, just the maintenance. It's easy. It just doesn't break. No, as soon as you see the hot tub. The maintenance of a hot tub of checking the water. It needs more pH level.

It's like a pool. Exactly, where it's like, I don't have the time. The sauna's good for you either. It doesn't, I mean, the hot tub's great for you, don't get me wrong, but I don't have the time Asana's good for you either it just it doesn't I mean a hot tub's great for you don't get me wrong but you don't get the same reaction that you get from a sauna

a sauna's the way to go yes that motherfucker gets hot so we're doing a sauna but like with the cold plunge right like I looked at the the cold plunge

that so the iceberg we looked at that it's easy to drain flip the knob it comes out fill it up put your ice in it it's good right then we looked at the ice the ice probe, we looked at that. It's easy to drain. Flip the knob. It comes out. Fill it up. Put your ice in it.

It's good, right? Then we looked at the ice bath. It's like the ice plunge. You sit in it, but you have a filter. You get to have this and that. And I'm like, that's too much maintenance for me. Yeah, but they don't require that much maintenance. It's not that big a deal.

I've only had one issue with either one of them. I have at home, I have a Morosco. Morosco cold plunge, which is amazing. Morosco Morosco cold punch, which is amazing. And then here we have a blue cube, which is also amazing. And there's no maintenance. We've had one problem with this one where there's something wrong with the motor, but they came and fixed it really quickly. Not problems, just

maintenance. No, maintenance is nothing. It's nothing. I'm a lazy person. Okay, I'm not going to lie to you. You're not lazy. How dare you? You clearly don't know any really lazy person. I know, right? I'm all sure. I gonna lie to you you're not lazy how dare you you clearly don't know any really lazy person I know right I'm all

I'm all I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends some real lazy people I just don't you'll feel real good about yourself I just

when it's when I just want easy maintenance where it's like I just if I forget to do something for two months I don't wanna come back to see fucking all this algae growing. No, no, no, no, no.

I don't fuck with mine. I mean, I maintain mine at home. It's easy. Well, you're, you're also a very, you know, you're a very busy person. You're very, you know. Yeah, you know. I stay on top of shit. Yeah, you stay on top of shit.

I don't. But it's not that hard to do, man. I'm climbing that motherfucker every day. Yeah. It's, it's no top of shit. I don't. But it's not that hard to do, man. I'm climbing that motherfucker every day. Yeah. It's no maintenance. Yeah, yeah. There's a little thing that I have to clean every now and then that's a filter. Yeah.

It takes me a minute. See, that's not bad. I pop it off. I hose it off with a garden hose, and then I put it back in there, and then I climb in. Oh, okay. There's ice floating in it. It's amazing. So I'm hoping we can solve that problem when time comes.

My wife's like, let's get the sauna going because she'll use that. She loves the sauna. The two of them together is the most amazing combination. Oh, yeah. And after I'm done competing full time, you know, with the businesses are going off, still see them go, I'm still going to try to compete in something, right? You think you'll do grappling competitions

it was going to be motocross right oh my god don't die come on man so my son he loves motocross like my oldest right and he I bought him a bike and next thing you know I'm like man this looks like a lot of fun

I want to try it right so I bought myself a bike and I had like you know, I'm like, man, this looks like a lot of fun. I want to try it, right? So I bought myself a bike and I had like, you know, 150cc Honda and I'm sitting and everybody's like, you know, it's a little kid bike. And I was like, I'm built like a little kid. I'm 140 42 pounds, 5'3". Your son's bigger than me and he's fucking

12. Okay, so I'm in the kid category. But he was like, no, dude, like you need like a legit 250 FC. And I'm like, okay, fine. So I got a a legit 250 fc and i'm like okay fine so i got a 250 husk and i'm fucking you know going off going off jumps not very fast i'm going fast but i'm not going off like you know whipping and we went to uh what's it called uh disneyland i see all these people in wheelchairs i'm like yeah i need to stop riding dirt bikes i think i'm gonna give it up but motocross was going to be my thing i was going to feel feel my desire to compete but then after i

found jujitsu like in the place i train it now i'm like okay i'm gonna try to compete in um ibjjf like i i told him i asked one i was like hey guys can i can i compete at IBJJF this year they're like no like no yeah what did you tear your ACL that's what he said and now I was like and they're like IBJJF do they do heel hooks and knee reaps and stuff like that I'm not sure I'm not sure but it would have been in a gi and I'm one of your brown belt and my everybody was like you're gonna get destroyed I was like I don't care at least I tried and see what it's like you know, but yeah, you will for a little Yeah, you'll become a lead at that. I hope a hundred percent. Oh You're not gonna suck yeah, yeah, I mean I mean so far it's been going good

I mean the the the place I train at the vibe is good the professor's energy is amazing So it's it's that's everything yeah, that's everything. He's so fortunate to have a good place. We're very fortunate here in Austin because we have 10th Planet. It's right down the street. There's a little bit from here. And then John Donner, very close. And there's fucking Shanji Hiberos here. There's Gracie Baja.

There's so many gyms here. It's amazing. It's an incredible place. I got Gracie Baja. There's so many gyms here. It's amazing. It's an incredible place. I got to train with John. I took one of his classes. He's a goddamn wizard. I was impressed. I'm healing. I got an MCL tear

that I'm healing. I was here yesterday with Maynard from Tool. Maynard had John Donahue on the mats coaching him. It was incredible. Yeah. Like watching John go and go over details. I was like, God, man.

I like his energy. How it's just like, good job, Demetrius. He's amazing. Good job, Juan. Good job, Gordon. It's just that chill, consistent, you know, just relaxed vibes. He's so obsessed with people getting better. I mean, that is all the guy does.

You talk to Gordon about it. That is all the guy does. He trains people all day long, and then he watches tape. That is all the guy does. You talk to Gordon about it, that is all the guy does. He trains people all day long and then he watches tape. That's all the guy does. The guy has zero life. He doesn't even have fucking furniture in his apartment. I heard about that. I was like,

you guys are fucking lying, right? He goes, no. He has no furniture. I think somebody forced him to buy furniture and a TV. I've never seen him out of a rash guard. When you go to dinner with him, he wears a rash guard. You never know. He's like, you never know.

Shit might pop off right here and I'm ready to go. He just doesn't feel the need to wear anything else. Like, it's acceptable clothing. He gives zero fucks about what he looks like. Yeah.

He gives zero fucks. He wears a fanny pack everywhere. Hey, good for him. Doesn't give a fuck. He's living his best life, baby. Best life. He's a master. He is so unusual.

Like, to try to find another one of those, you could find someone who's faking it, but they'll have ego, they'll have this, they'll have problems. He is such a treasure. It takes a special person to dedicate your life to teaching people. Have you ever listened to him talk?

John Donahue was on Lex Friedman's podcast. I've heard him on here. I've heard him on this podcast for um i met him in japan when he was giving to help gary tonin fight um but same consistent vibe where it's like you know i i like it because he's so knowledgeable and he's just like and taking his class it's very fast paced he's like okay guys what do i do come right here you're gonna flip him up like this get him down like that boom okay once again do it again okay all right guys go what do I do? Come right here. You're gonna flip him up like this. Get him down like that. Boom Okay, once again do it again. Okay. All right guys go and then you just like alright, let's try guys one two three there's like, you know, I could rhythm at the beginning I was like and everyone's like Like no really whatsoever. I'm like fucking nobody's nobody's on the vibe

I'm just gonna just do my own thing and do the class but absolutely amazing do my own thing and do the class. But absolutely amazing. No, he's a genuinely unusual human being. And it's like you hear about people like that in movies. Yeah. You know, that are like so singularly focused and dedicated. But it's rare to actually come across one in real life.

And it translates to his athletes. Like Gordon trains seven days a week. I heard. So 365 days a week. I heard. So 365 days a year. Fuck you, Christmas. Fuck you, New Year's. Fuck your birthday. Yeah.

Yeah, you're training. When I asked him that, I said, you know, because one of the coaches at Grappler Club asked me, he goes, hey, can you pick their brain on like what like their training regimen is? I was like, sure. And I asked him, he says, they train, there's no days off. They train three times a day, two hour sessions, one. And the second, the third session is intensity. So he's like, I believe in volume, right? A lot of volume and then a little bit, uh, intensity for pure grappling, not mixed martial arts, mixed martial arts. You would just, it's not feasible. You can't even do that.

Right. So I can kind of understand how they just grapple seven days a week, no off days, intensity. And I was like, okay, what about days off? And he goes, no days off. And he goes, if an athlete decides that he needs a day off, then I think that person is more mature. He should be mature enough to understand that he needs to take a day off. I would never fight an athlete if they need a day off and I think that's very important as a as a coach and athlete

Understanding or bond that a coach I need time off. No, you don't get your ass back on that mat But I'm sure if like Gary's hey, dude, I need I need time off. I need to take two days off three days off I'm sure you know John's take two days off, three days off. I'm sure, you know, John's like, you go ahead, do your thing, man. Of course. If you're dedicated enough that he understands who you are and that you're all in and you're saying, Hey man, something's up. Like my body's falling apart here. I just, I need a little bit of a break.

Like he knows you're not fucking off. You actually do need a break. But that's the difference, which is you have to like, but he has zero patience for lazy people. Like there's, there's lazy people which is like there's there's certain people that just like they're you know guys like that yeah they you know i mean how many talented people have you met that could have been great but they lack the discipline i've never met anybody who lacked the discipline i i met people who've lacked the what's the one looking

for injury prone consistency oh no injury prone. I have never, out of all people I've ever trained with, I've never met somebody who's been lazy. Really? I never have. But there are people, like BJ Penn, who's like super fucking talented, but it was hard for him to get training. But then when he started training with

Marv Marinovich, and they put him through those intensive strength and conditioning sessions. He's like, fuck this! But also, that was when he was at the very best. The Sean Shirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight, that was prime BJ. BJ pin, yep. Where he was just a fucking unstoppable force. Yeah, I just, I've never

come across that. It's usually injury prone. I mean, some of the things that I've seen, my buddy, the guy I fought in Muay Thai as an amateur, he broke my rib. Scott, he was a fucking nasty, nasty athlete. Just we would sprint together. He's right next to me or ahead of me.

We'd grapple. He's hanging with me grappling. And we're amateur. We weren't professional yet. But he would always just injure himself. And I don't ever forget, forget you know we'll train in the morning we'll train at night i'm next door playing video games and he's next door i call him gangster rounds he's just going through everybody just grappling grappling next thing you know somebody

comes next door and goes dj you you need to come next door i'm like what's up he goes it's it's scott i come next door and i'm like Scott what's up he goes pull this shirt down fucking AC joint was like out out and he was going to fight and I'm like

dude you have to chill like you will break your body like you're not lazy but that's the biggest thing as an athlete we always worry that

we're not going to be ready we're going to we when it makes you we're ready for the not activity but the the competition so we over train he was one of those guys that he would have been very very

special in mixed martial or whatever he did in athletics but he was very injury prone how many more injuries did he have besides that oh dude um he's broke his hand um he injured his he got cauliflower ear and i made fun of him he got cauliflower ear and I made fun of him. He got cauliflower ear and then he ended up getting surgery to fix his cauliflower ear. Oh boy. He came back, he came back in the gym,

pop, pop, blew, blew back up and he was like, I got fucking surgery and it blew back up. I was like,

I told you it's going to blow back up. Like, well, you can't, you're not supposed to train for a while after you get that and you should wear ear guards. Well,

he didn't. And it blew back up. I wore ear guards the entire time I trained jujitsu. That's why I don't have any collar. I have little tiny pieces of cauliflower, little parts of my ear. But my ears are normal because they're supposed to be normal. Like, this is what I say to people. And I know you're a fighter.

But this is what I say to people that, like, love the look. I go, take your ear and go like that and pinch it down and listen to things. And talk, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, let it go. And, oh, it sounds better, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, do you want the whole world to be like this from now on? Well, I'll tell you, I am tone deaf. I can't fucking sing

and that might be the reason why, because my cough are yours. But I don't think the words like blah, blah, blah, blah. But it sounds less like, there's a reason why your ears design that way. It sort of captures the sound waves and puts them through the ear canal. It's a very specific design by nature. And if you fuck that up by calcium deposits, it's not smart. People are like, whoa, you fucking weird.

You pussy. I was like, hey, man, I want to hear things. People would make fun of me. I'm like, I don wear earplugs, you pussy. I was like, hey, man, I want to hear things. People would make fun of me. I'm like, I don't care. Say whatever you want. I don't want my ears to be fucked up. That cracks me up. I was like, your ears are fucked up.

Well, I mean, they are. They are. They're fucked up. They are. How many guys do you know that can't even get earbuds in their ears? Because you, right? Yeah. You have to go over the ear because your ears are so fucked up.

They don't stick in there because everything's hard as a rock. Yep. I hate it. I hate it. When you're done fighting, you're going to because everything's hard as a rock. Yep, I hate it. When you're done fighting, are you going to get it cleaned out? Hell no. Ah, you like it. I'm going to still compete. I'm going to still compete, right?

So I thought about if I got my ears like this, like pinned back a little bit, but I'm like, no, I don't want to do it. Just leave them like this, just out there and try to capture all the sound that it can with its big-ass calcified. It's like, try to get everything. Don't worry about it.

Hard as a rock. Hard as a rock. Oh, yeah. Hard as a rock. But that shit breaks off too sometimes. Did you see Mateus Gamrot and Benil Darius early in the fight? That shit broke off and you start bleeding like crazy. Yeah.

It's because it's a rock. Yeah. You've got a rock hanging off of your head. Yeah. Luckily for mine, it hasn't broken off yet. So I got four more fights and we're good. You remember Sakuraba always just doing tape all over his ears and shit? His ears were fucked up.

But how about his knees, man? That's what I'm talking about, right? His legs were mummified. Like he would mummify his knees before competitions. I remember, like there has to be, you have to have, there has to be an end to the tunnel, right? Like the person I'm blown away by is Bibiano Fernandez. He's 41 years old, and he's never had surgery in any injuries. That's crazy.

That's, for how, I mean, he's a five-time World Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion, dream champion, one champion, the longest reigning, I believe. He's never had. That fight with Lineker was nuts. Oh fuck, I know. That was nuts. I know. But it's just like he stood in the pocket too long. He dropped Lineker. Yeah. He dropped Lineker and when he went to follow up

he said he was so emotional that like, he was like, dude I was fucking like, he goes, I dropped him and he goes DJ, that right hand came out of nowhere. I don't know where it come from. But Lineker just wings it. He wings it. But they're like wrecking balls.

Oh. If you get out of the way, you're good. But if you don't get out of the way. You're fucked. You're fucked, man. Yeah. That dude hits so goddamn hard. I'll never forget John Lineker's manager, Alex Davis.

He goes, when he was fighting Cisco Rivera. Cisco Rivera, he was in the UFC Francisco Francisco he goes don't stand with him just just

just just you know out wrestle him and he goes okay okay okay they started banging and

when John got hit Leonard got hit he was like oh he punches like a pussy so he just kept the fucking going and after the fight, uh,

Linderger, uh, uh, Alex goes, I told you not to stand with him. He goes, oh, he punched like a pussy.

So I figured he would go out before I would. And he goes, the kid's crazy DJ. And I'm like, Hey, Hey, good for him. You know,

some people have that, right? He's a bulldog. They have that bulldog. And you know, like Fabrizio Andrade was able to, to capitalize on that, right?

He was like, he's going to swing when he does, I'm going to land that liver shot over and over, right? So, I mean. But it's also a cumulative damage over a long career. Yeah. I mean, that dude has been banging for quite a long time. And eventually, it's going to stop.

Yeah, you can't just fight like that. Look at Chuck Liddell. Yeah. One day, the chin just goes. Yep. And that's what I say about Rod's thing. One day, that chin's going to go. Yeah. Like,'s just it's just human nature like it's just going to go but man before it goes what a fucking show that guy puts on exactly just ride it ride it just

enjoy the ride right it's just uh it's not I mean not rod tank because rod tank does have great technique oh one thousand one thousand percent he's absolutely, there's no way better than him at that weight class. When he fought John Haggerty and they were going back and forth and how he crossed his distance and blocks in exchange and boom, boom, it hit him to the body and then went back to the body over and over again. I'm like, yeah, he is a brilliant Imui Tai. He's not just a rock-em-sock-em robot.

Does he have any desire to fight MMA other than that fight with you? He said he does. He said he wants to transition to mixed martial arts. Really? That's what he said. But obviously, you see- It's a long road.

It's a long road, but Stamp Fairtex, she's been phenomenal in the transition to mixed martial arts. So if he gets to the right camp- But I feel like girls wrestling is not at the level that men's wrestling is.

So when a woman is an elite striker, I feel like there's a... Yes. Yeah, she has a better... There's a better pathway. A better pathway. One thousand percent.

I mean, look at Joanna Jacek. Right? Yeah, perfect example. Perfect example, right? I mean, Claudia Godella and her, they're back and forth. It's like,

if Claudia was just like, I'm gonna go in there and take you down past your guard submit you that that should have been the game plan right instead of trying to stand up with a fucking i don't know how many times she's won a world title in uh muay thai or whatever some crazy amount it's crazy i was like the the game plan is to take her down past our guard but but even you wanna like now you see that she just can't take it the way she used to take it before Exactly, the thug rose fight and then John Whaley knocks her out in the last fight But she's still not ready to completely She's been talking lately like not totally ready to see that's enough for me. That's like the biggest thing like What will he showed? Well Harris he showed me a clip he did with Kamaru Usman.

Yeah, I saw that clip. I saw that clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, where he talks about his body. His body and just- Yeah. The difficulties. The difficulties.

Will's the best, man. Oh, yeah. The footage Will Harris gets is fucking phenomenal. He's the best documentary filmmaker in the sport Will Harris gets is fucking phenomenal he's the best documentary filmmaker yes in the sport period because he catches

hands down he captures the raw side of the athletics of an athlete also he's such a good guy that everybody loves him yep and so everybody opens up

around him yes and they relax around him it's funny because my wife she goes now she's like I don't want cameras in this house anymore I'm done like I don't want cameras in this house anymore.

I'm done. Like, I don't want in the house because all the footage I've ever taken over the years of my mixed martial arts career, I own none of it. None of it, right? And so I was like, people got video of me being pregnant on their fucking hard drive somewhere. So no more, right? But if Will want to come, we'll come over anytime you want. I love Will.

That's great. So she's opened the door to Will because he's like, if you want any content you want, you can have it. Like, I just want to capture your moment and tell your story. And if I need,

he's like, hey, Will, I need something. Can you send me this? Absolutely, DJ. No, no, it fans about. No negotiating, no nothing. Here you go, player. Do your DJ. No, no ifs, ands, or bout. No negotiating. No nothing. Here you go, player. Do your thing.

Yeah. No, he's the best. Yeah. He's such a good dude, too. And I had him on recently, and we were talking about dating apps. Oh, hey. Will's addicted to those dating apps. I know.

Because, first of all, he's a beautiful man. He's gigantic. Yeah. And he gets bombed on. He was talking to me about it. He goes, Because, first of all, he's a beautiful man. He's gigantic. Yeah. And he gets bombed on. He was talking to me about it. He goes, I've been in Austin for one day. Look at all this shit.

They're just bombing on him. They were in front of him. He goes, make your dick feel good. I was like, oh my. Bro, his fucking Tinder looks like an Iraqi landing strip.

Just boom, boom. When he came to visit me, he goes, you know, I'm driving. I'm like, what you looking at he goes

what you think about this girl he goes what I need is a fucking tech woman take care of me shit let me get Jeff Bezos wife shit

she'll never go I just laugh and then when Jeff Bezos wife just announced she's getting divorced I sent him a screenshot I'm like this is your chance

better get over here quick better give her some of that well yeah I don't know if you want that I gotta joke about that a bit about I sent him a screenshot. I'm like, this is your chance. Better get over here quick. Better give her some of that. Well, yeah. I don't know if you want that. I got a joke about that. A bit about dating a woman who has that much money. Uh-oh.

It's a real problem. She's worth $38 billion. Damn. You can't say shit in that relationship. You don't have nothing to say. I think we'll be okay with that. He's like, as long as she let me film and document, I give her that BBC, we good to go.

I ain't worried about nothing. That'll be his fucking response. He's done with the dating apps. He sent me a video that he goes, no more apps. And he's like, him dancing in a hotel room with these two girls. No more apps. Zero apps. I think he's really done.

Hey, good for him. Because if you want a real relationship, man, you can't have that many options. Yeah. Because you're not going to be concentrated on the person you're with. Absolutely. 1,000%. It's just too much. Yeah, cuz you're not gonna be concentrated on the person you're with absolutely He said you're always chasing chasing for that next thrill right right he's That hunt and he wants a family. Yeah, he's 40 years old like you got it You got to get off that horse. Yeah, you're important. You gotta find the right one

Yeah, the right ones got to be able to fill all those yes, right But I don't think you find the right one when you're still looking for other ones. No, no, no, no. I think there's a thing with people today that have access to these dating apps and also have access to social media and DMs. I just think you're overwhelmed by options. Yeah. You can't, like, you're drowning in it.

This is what I like. Have you ever seen Bachelor in Paradise? No. Or do you know what The Bachelor and Bachelorette is? Yeah, I know about the show, but I've never watched it. Okay, so I watch it with my wife, right? It's kind of our thing we do. And I hate watching The Bachelor and Bachelorette.

The reason why is because you have one woman to 20 fucking dudes, right? So all these guys are fighting for one chick in that rose, right? And the same thing with The Bachelor. You had all these hot chicks trying to battle for one dude. But I'm like, you know what? I guarantee if you throw another chick in there, I bet you things would be different. Oh, yeah. So in Bachelor in Paradise, they throw like 20 hot chicks and 20 hot dudes on an island

and they all try to figure out their relationship. And I'm like, yeah, when you have more fucking options, you're not going to be the hot commodity that everybody wants. But once you throw another thing in there, it just, I like to see people navigate. Well, also, they compete. They compete. And then, you know, and then there's like sexual competition. This girl won't do anything, but that girl fucks everybody.

Exactly, right? So I never get, there was a one season where the guy, he was like, you know, they had the fantasy suite, right? I know it's kind of disturbing. I know all about this shit, but it is what it is. I don't know anything about okay So fantasy so fantasy suite is like I think it's like that maybe It's that the home stretch right it's usually there for four people for you get them down So they eliminate people you get a rose they go home That's how you do it gets a rose dude and the chick is a rose

So then it goes to Fantasy Suites. Here's a flower. Kick rocks. No, you get a flower. You get to stay. Oh. So how it goes. So if I was on The Bachelor, right?

I show up to this big ass mansion. Girls come in cars like, hi, my name is Lisa. I'm so happy to meet you. I'm like, well, very nice to meet you. Go in the house. I'll be in there in a second. 20 come then every week

I have to send somebody home they don't get a rose right so it gets down to the last four right the last four you have the opportunity

to do fantasy suites which means you get to stay the night in the hotel together with no cameras do whatever you want right so typically

you know the guys are depending on who how they are they'll either you know do the nasty or they won't, right? So this guy cracked me up.

So he has four girls left. No, three girls left. I think it's four or three, whatever. He sleeps with one. He brings one to the room, sleeps with her, right? Brings another girl to the room, sleeps with her, right? And then the one girl that they're going to go into fantasy with, she goes, you know, I think if you've been intimate with

any other girl, I don't think I can go on with this relationship. And he goes, well, I wish you would have told me that before because, you know, maybe, you know, I wouldn't have done it. Like, I thought you told me to explore all my options and I did um and now you're you're you're nagging me for it right and so she goes i'm i'm leaving i'm going home right so she goes home goes to the final rose ceremony who's going to pick who his wife is or he's going to propose to he goes you have to propose at the end of it an engagement there's usually an engagement oh my god on a fucking television show really i'm ignorant to this. I didn't know how stupid it is.

So I love to see the demeanor, but it gets better. So I'm sitting here watching with my wife and I'm like, he done banged both these chicks and they don't even know it yet. Right? So he goes, I have to tell you both that I've been intimate with you and you. They both start crying. He goes, I didn't mean for this to happen. I fell in love with both of you guys.

I'm sorry. Oh, boy. So what ends up happening, he doesn't get any of the girls, but he slept with both of them, right? Then I told Jackson, I was like, I guarantee you, he going to bang that third one. I bet you, right? The one that left?

The one that left, right? Sure enough, the one that left came back crawling. He gets with her. You know, they do the nasty and then next you know they break up like three months recently like i think four months ago and i was like babe i told you he banged all three of them he's a legend nobody's ever done it before in bachelor history she goes you're such you're so but there's so many options and but there's no way under that kind of scrutiny and all those people watching,

no way, A, you're going to be yourself. Yeah. Because you know you're putting on a show. Yeah. And there's no way, B, it's going to last because there's this whole thrill of this thing you've become addicted to. Some have lasted and had children. Oh, yeah. I'm shocked, too.

Trust me. Like I said, I'm shocked. Some have lasted. Some have beautiful relationships, beautiful babies, married. So it does work out in the end. But then every once in a while, you have this man who's taking Some of the last Some have beautiful Relationships Beautiful babies Married So it does work At an end But then you're Every once in a while

You have this man Who's taking advantage Of the system Is he Is he just doing Man things Normal man That's not taking advantage

That's being a human But to me It's like Celebrity rehab Like that's the worst Way ever to get clean Yeah And bachelorette shows Or bachelor shows That's the worst way Ever to be in Yeah And bachelorette shows or bachelor shows

That's the worst way ever to be in a relationship with someone Fucking cameras in your face Like who the fuck are you? You don't even know who you are You're putting on a show Yeah And you're trying to compete Yeah

It's something interesting like you said When you have those distractions And those dating apps Yeah I mean that's where you know It ran down that rabbit hole But for people like Will that are real busy, it's really hard to meet someone.

Yeah. I was going to try to hook him up with one of the girls who, a family friend who's a real estate agent. She's killing it. And she's like, I don't need no man. And I'm like, that's, that's a perfect, you know,

you meet somebody, you become friends, you know, your best friend becomes your lover. In my case, right? So that's where I was like, I can, I show Will a picture. Will is interested. He goes, look at her. He goes, all right, when I come back up here, get some work done, you're going to have to do dinner. And I was like, okay, I got you.

So, you know, I know he wants to move to Dubai or whatnot, but we'll see what happens. Yeah, he loves Dubai. He's like, there's no crime. Everybody's cool. Yeah. When he says, when he was talking about being an African-American and worried about certain situations or another black man trying to gate him, he was like, what the hell happened in this world? I mean, I can understand that. Not having that fear.

When you're over there, you don't have to worry about things like that. Yeah. Crime and violence. He says it's so safe. Yeah. He said if someone drops a diamond, you could just like, don't worry about it. They'll turn it into the police. That's great. Yeah. Awesome to hear. Yeah. He said if someone drops a diamond, like, you could just, like, don't worry about it. They'll turn it into the police. That's great. Yeah. Awesome to hear. Yeah, but

also, like, you know, they don't have any free speech. Yeah. You know, you have to be very careful with what you do and what you say. Yep. You know. Yep. You can't have both. One's gotta go. One's gotta go, right? Oh, God. What is it like in Washington now? Because, like, the Seattle

is kind of fucking chaos, right? Man, once COVID-19 happened, my wife was like, I want to move. I was like, okay. Where did she want to move to? Arizona. Really? Yeah, because she has friends out there. And she went out there during COVID-19.

And she was there. And she goes, everything's still open. There's no mask. The children aren't wearing masks and everybody's still in school. So my wife was like, if we can have a house in Arizona, I would really, really love it. So we got a house in Arizona and now me being here in Austin, in Texas, Austin, Austin, Texas, and feeling the vibe, the good weather, and like the food, the people. It's like, fuck, man.

Like, it reminds me of Arizona. Like, I want to move to Arizona and be there full time just because the atmosphere is different and the weather is good. In Washington, it's rainy, it's cloudy. It's not good for your mind.

That's what she said. It's not. That seasonal depression shit, that's real. She hates it. She's like, I hate it. Get out while your kids are young. Yeah, but, you know, it's just, I just can't yet. I don't think I can.

I think, like, we're going to keep- Because of training. For training. Yeah. We'll keep that house. Like, that house, I ain't never selling that house. Why don't you go down there and train with Henry? Shit, that's how it all started, baby.

Little triple C. Yeah. I'm going down there. He's doing some amazing shit down there, man. Dude there and train with Henry? Shit, that's how it all started, baby. The little triple C. I'm going down there. He's doing some amazing shit down there, man. Dude, he is. That fight ready, that's an amazing camp. The scientific aspect of it.

Yeah. His, I love Henry, okay? Let me tell you, let me tell you a thing. This is how I think we get along so well, right? So I talked to him, I called him.

I was like, hey, Henry, I got a house out here. Can I come train? He goes, absolutely, Demetrius. He goes, I think we do great things. But before we train, I want to sit down and I want to show you something. I was like, oh, fuck, Henry. Please don't try to sell me on something.

Can we just vibe out together? I go to his house and we're talking. I met his wife and his beautiful baby, America. And we're sitting there. I see my fucking pillow on his couch and all those pillows whatnot and he's showing me his book and he started breaking down like his mindset and how he approaches his training in his fights and I was like Okay, all right, cuz you I fought him twice right right and I already knew he's already good and brilliant

But when we get to actually sit down and vibe off each other already good and brilliant but when we get to actually sit down and vibe off each other that's when i was like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna come back out here i'm gonna train for 10 days what is his mindset like what is special about it you know they're talking about him fighting aljermaine yeah yeah i think he'll be fighting his aljermaine i'm excited about that i think he beats aljermaine do you really i do al Aljamain's a bad motherfucker. He is, and so two things. One, Aljamain's very bad. He's starting to come into his own. He's starting to embrace. Right now, he's a champion.

He's a champion. He's starting to embrace that backpack rule. Getting heavy on people. Crossing distance, taking them down, getting on their back, locking on the body triangle. He's very long, very big for the weight class, right? He's perfect for the weight class. He's perfect for the weight class, right? Yeah. So, where I think Herm Henry's going to be able to excel where other people have falter, right,

is Henry is an amazing wrestler. Yeah. Right? Olympic gold medalist. Olympic gold medalist. Two, Henry is probably the most disciplined person I've ever trained with. What I mean by that is that,

so Henry will look at somebody, but okay, where can I beat him at? Okay, that's where I could beat him at. We're not leaving there. We're staying there. Like when we're talking about the Dominic Cruz fight, he was like, I'm going to kick his fucking legs. I'm not going to stop.

I'm going to kick his legs. And we're watching, he's doing his thing, his stance and his faint, faint low kick. He's waiting, waiting. Sometimes he will get off track but he'll reel himself back in back into fighting where when me and him train it was good because he was like you're he goes you're a killer i was like what do you mean he goes you don't do anything we talked about like you're just you just want to push push push push i was like yes because he needs to be

finished he needs to not die but i wanted to pose my will on him. Like when I was getting ready to fight Adriano, he goes, no body kicks. Do not throw any body kicks. Kick his legs, then the hands will come. I guarantee you. I guarantee you, right? What's the first fucking thing I do when I fight Adriano? Body kick.

Body kick. And then Henry says, if you throw a body kick he's gonna catch it and take you down and sure enough he did that but that's where me and him thrive because we

we uh question each other's skill set on a humble way if that makes sense right testing it testing it right

and so I think when he decides to come back he'll be fine against Aljo because he he's just fucking smart well he's a wizard you know when he fought Wilson come back, he'll be fine against Aljo because he's just fucking smart. Well, he's a wizard. You know, when he fought Wilson Hayes, I was like, look at this motherfucker.

He looks like a karate champion. Yep, yep. Remember? He's standing sideways like Wonderboy. Sideways, yep. And now he's trying to transition. He's changing it, right? He's always changing it.

Yes. And when I went out there to train with him, I was like, dude, I can make your clinch game fucking nasty. With your wrestling pedigree. Arizona. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. You need to move. Get to that sunlight. Get to that sunlight. It might make you better. Vitamin D always good for the brain. I mean, you, you do speak a lot of truth there. Fuck rain, bro. Rain's good. Like here, what I love about Austin, it rains occasionally. Yeah. So you appreciate the sun. Yeah. But I don't, I can't fuck with the place it rains all the time i think if i didn't have my friends and family in washington i think that's the that it's i don't want to say it's a problem that's what's keeping me that's what's keeping me attached you're a fun guy you'll make new friends no i have

a very tight i have a very small circle and i don't like to open up. Maybe take Matt Hume to Arizona and say, hey, Matt. Yeah, right? Matt's got his kids and his life out there too. I get it. Look, I had my life in California. Yeah, exactly. My wife, Destiny, she's like, I'm ready to move right now. You say the word, babe.

We gone. I think it'd be very interesting to see you full time with Henry. Oh, fuck. Very interesting. We would probably, it's funny. we're training, and then I did something. I was fully mounted, and instead of staying in a mountain and pounding a guy out, I went to triangle. I stepped over and triangled him and went to my back and finished the triangle. He goes, why did you do that?

I'm like, why the fuck not? He goes, I would have stayed up top and pound him. I was like, yeah, but I just ended the fight. Who knows? He could have turtled. He could have did this so we bounce off each other and I'm like dude like your grappling is so good that you need to start finishing people with your submissions and he goes yeah but so we

vibe off each other so we're gonna go I'm gonna go out there and train there's no one right way exactly and that was a biggest eye-opener I had when I trained with him. And for him to say, he's like, D, he calls me Demetrius. He goes, Demetrius, you're a high-volume athlete. Your conditioning is off the charts. You're nine weeks out from your fight, and you're already in shape. He goes, I'm worried about you. I'm like, I'm fine.

Like, I'll take time off. To where he is a— He's worried about you peaking too early? Peaking too early. where he is a- He's worried about you peaking too early? Peaking too early. But he is a precise. He is move very little. Move, move, move. Right hand.

Right. Left kick. Right hand, left hand. Smoke, smoke, right hand. He's very precise with what he does. Where me, I'm just like- Flowing. I'm flowing.

I'm like, one, one, two, up, six, three, two, nine, nine, knee, double leg takedown, pass. And he goes, you can do that because you have the energy for it. And I'm like one one two up six three two nine nine knee double leg takedown pass and he goes yeah you can do that because you had the energy for it and I was like exactly so when he told me that it almost kind for me to come on my own as an athlete you know but he's a different frame than you exactly he's cutting a lot of weight yeah he cut a lot of weight to make 25 and missed it a few times yes yes but at 35 he's a fucking beast yeah now i think he's walking when i was there he's probably at 165 now so he's always been he's got a little tortillas he's got he's got tortillas he's got that he's got that he's got that retirement body that's what that is but not quite i mean he's losing weight yeah he's in the usada pool i

believe as well um so i'm super excited for him to come back, if he does come back. I'm very interested in that fight with him and Al Jermaine. That's a very interesting fight to me. What he needs to do is just go out there, control distance, throw body kicks. Well, he probably fucking won't because, I mean, you know, he doesn't like to get taken down. Throw body kicks, but throw things up the middle. Because Al Jermaine, the thing, backpack, big. He's coming to his own.

But his stand-up is not rhythm he has no rhythm on his feet what do you mean so rhythm is like you know when I'm here Aljo is not like this he's not like he's not a rhythm it's like right it's not flow it's not like smooth like a kickboxer what I mean so it's kind of unorthodox right you watch henry henry's here he's moving it's very like he's dancing a little bit that makes sense so i'm not saying aljo doesn't have rhythm i'm saying that his his his stand-up is a little more unorthodox which that's going to give henry problems when they fight he likes a lot of front

kicks up the middle a lot of fun kicks up the middle too. A lot of front kicks up the middle too, which Henry will catch that, and it can wrestle, and we'll see who's a better wrestler. But that's what I see when I break down that fight. I'm like, okay, well, I don't – Aljo's stand-up is kind of like – The last fight was very unfortunate that TJ's shoulder was that fucked up going into the fight, but I had heard that. I had heard his shoulders were fucked. That shit has not changed since wc days you know how many times i've been in like line because every single time you fight their doctor checks you like raise your hands

squeeze up down left right check your shoulders your knees i remember i was getting ready to fight in wc antonio bono was fought with a broken hand. He was like, yeah, I broke my fucking hand. I got to fight. Because when you fight, you get that insurance. Right. And any damages you cure on fight night, they cover it 100% with insurance. So, you know, looking at it as an athlete standpoint, here's TJ. He's 36. Right. He's 36 years old.

He's healthy. He's like, I don't normally get another shot, you know. But his shoulders were fucked a long time ago. Oh yeah, I know that. I mean, he said, massive tears in his supraspinatus.

Well, he said it tore, it came out of his socket, what, 20 times? 20 times. 20 times in training camp? Yeah.

But this is how we make our money. Like, who is it? I get it. Aaron Pico, when he was fighting, he was like, don't stop this fight.

This is how I make my fucking money. Right? Well, he's trying to put it back in. Well, exactly. But, but think about that mindset. This is how I make my fucking money. Right. Well, he's trying to put it back in. Well, exactly. But think about that mindset. This is how I make my money.

Right. Right. Like, I need to do whatever I can to make that money. Also, he's just trying to win. Aaron was still trying to win. Yeah, absolutely. But he missed with a left hook, right? And it just popped out.

Who, Aaron? Yeah, Aaron. I didn't see what happened that led to him, the shoulder pop out. I just saw the highlight of him trying to get back in. He was like, don't stop the fight. This is how I make my money, which is the truth. So I think for TJ, he was like, this is how I make my money. I got one opportunity.

I'm going to put it back in and fight. Yeah, I just think TJ's shoulders were already fucked up before the retirement, before the time off from popping hot for a few days. Oh, really? Yeah. No, his shoulder's been fucked forever. See, and once again, you only can do this for so long. Yes. Right?

So that's why I tell myself, like, you have to stop. At some point. You have to stop. What is the biggest injury that you've ever had? Oh, God. I'll say shoulders. Like, I still have problems with my shoulders, just from years of wrestling,

shooting, and filling all the weight, going with bigger guys because I'm the smallest guy in the gym. I'll say my shoulders. Shoulders are always fucked for wrestlers. Yeah, because you're carrying all that weight, right? And then my main sparring partner is Matt, and he's So, and he's like 170, 170, 175. Then next down the list is James. He's like 165.

And then Tony, he's about 190. And then at my jujitsu place, the closest person to my size is the women, but I don't, I grapple with the women sometimes, but then I'm grappling with the bigger guys. So I'm always carrying a lot of that weight on my,

the reason for you to go down to Arizona. That's one thing that's nice. They bodies on bodies but now we have since we uh combined with charlie's gym now we have balal amazing 125er uh we have uh hobby we have some smaller guys but when i went to um arizona holy fuck man there was a two-time national champion AJ Reese Gas amounts with him you had I'm Jose like there's probably like from 125 to 155 there's probably like maybe 30 guys don't you think that's better for your career? Yeah, but it also be horrible for my career because you didn't get injury prone Why would you get injury prone if you're training with guys your size because training with bigger guys? Because you're competing with those guys every single time. I know what you're getting at. If I'm competing with smaller guys, I wouldn't have to carry their weight.

But you're also in a room full of fucking killers that are trying to make it to that next level. So they're always testing themselves. So you know how they say iron sharpens iron? But also iron breaks iron, right? How hard are they training down there? Oh, they go hard. Henry does his own thing, right? In what way? In what way?

In what way where Henry's like, he doesn't train. Like when we were down there, I was like, are we going to spar Henry? He goes, no, I don't need to spar. I don't know what hell feels like. I don't need to experience that. So when Henry's not in training camp, he's not training. Like if I was like, hey, Henry, let's do five rounds. He'll get through it because he's mentally top and, you know, he's not training like if I was like hey Henry let's do five rounds he'll get through it because he's mentally tough and you know he's a competitor but my condition would be way beyond his just

because I'm like I did you're always in shape I'm always trying I did you know when I did uh new wave I did me and Gary grappled 20 minutes straight like non-stop just going back and forth back and forth and I was like we can do another 20 if we want to, right? So Henry does his own thing to where the team does their own thing. And I think the team, they spar three days a week there. And so I think if I trained with a whole bunch of killers like that, I think I'll be injury prone. I think I'll sustain more injuries in my career.

Or I could be wrong, Joe. Maybe you're right. Yeah, I don't know if you would be. mean i think if you're training with henry you'd probably be very smart and how he approaches your because he would probably want to try to make you the best that he can make you yeah but i don't i like to train i like to push out of camp right where i don't know i don't know if he want if he does so that's that's what the difference i i think would come down to when you were talking about his mindset we got a derail a little bit there so his mindset he's like this he was like we sat down he goes if you were to fight john jones what would you do i was like i'll get all over john jones he goes you'll get all over john jones i was like yeah i'll put the

pressure on him i'll beat him up in the clinch i would take him down and pass his guard and submit him that's what i would do and he goes would do, you know, he has six different areas where he's like, okay, there's a balance. You're sitting there, you're not over committing, or you're just chilling. You're, you're reacting. Then he has one that says, commit, you have to take risk, right? The risk management. Then there's another category where it's like, um, counter. So he has these six categories that he lives in. And when he's looking at a person he's going to fight, he'll sit there and look at his categories and be like,

okay, do we take risk with this guy? Okay, if we take risk with this guy, here's the pros, here's the cons. If we stay balanced, where we're neutral, right, here's the pros, here's the cons. And he sticks by that so in his whole training camp eight eight weeks it's by that book he does not deviate from that and when this is something he's developed on his own i believe he's developed on his own like when he showed me that like that's where we're two different animals right where it's like yes you he's like and then then he'll switch up he goes sometimes

you have to take that risk in order to get that you know to get that reward but how much of that risk do you want to take how how much you put your eggs in that basket where for me i'm like nope i'm going out there and i'm getting i'm getting i'm putting the pressure i want to overwhelm you like with my skill set and my conditioning and once once you can't take the overwhelming then that's when you succumb to whatever it is you decide to you pick your poison and not make sure you die that way so that's where we're different like when we sit there like i have the same mindset but i just i deviate off that path like i just like nope i'm gone i'm i'm gone let me do my thing like when i'm sparring matt like hey i want you to you know i want you to try to get this out i'm like okay i'll try

then once shit starts going i'm just like doing my own thing and he was like that's not what i wanted you to do and i'm like yeah i know that but uh hey we got the we got the job done though right right so that's where henry he will stay to it he'll he'll he'll spend the whole round kicking legs kicking legs kicking legs, kicking legs, kicking legs. I'm like, I'm bored, dude. Like, I'm not going to spend five minutes kicking those legs. I need to show kick, fly knee. Like, when we're play sparring, like, I do a fly knee and shoot for a takedown.

He goes, you're just all over the place. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of fun. I like it that way. Obviously, it's worked out for you, though. Yeah, I would say so. I mean, how could you argue that your approach is bad? And that's a beautiful thing. He doesn't say my approach is bad.

He says the approach is different for everybody. It seems like I'm convincing you to go to Arizona. No, you're not. No. I feel like I should be. I'll tell him, hey, Matt, we had a good ride, baby. I'm done. Here we, here I come.

No. Listen, Matt could fly in every now and then. Yeah, he could. But I like the responsibility as a father to get my kids to school. Like when I'm in training camp, I don't stop. Like when I'm in training camp, I'm working on the bars. I'm working on, you know, a portable consultant. So I'm working on my businesses while I take care of my children while training for my fights.

Like I like to have my plate full because it keeps my brain stimulated. It doesn't let me, it just keeps me going. And you don't think you could do that and have a life similar to that in Arizona? I don't think so because I just, I have to start over from scratch. Like I just have to. Do you think that would help your mind too? The beginner's mindset starting over from scratch? Maybe, but I'll miss my friends

and my routine and like like i would move to arizona i got i got four more fights left that's two years right right so i'm 38 39 years old then it's going to come down to do i leave my father in law do i leave my mother-in-law do I leave my mom do I leave my best friend my children's best friends like that's the thing that's gonna come over that's gonna I'm gonna have to battle with

you know what I mean so two years is nothing right I mean I'll fight twice next year then I'll decide do I want to continue to fight or not

do one of my businesses become a unicorn and take off I'm like I don't need to fight anymore I got enough money I got enough money I don't need to fight so then I got enough money. I got, I got enough money. I don't need to fight. Right.

So then I'm like, Hey, then we revisit. Do we move to Arizona? Get some more sunshine and weather and pull the kids out. Or do we just go back and forth? Where it's like, Hey,

my wife was just in Arizona for five days and she came back home and she goes, it's fucking weather. Can we, she woke up one day. I was like, we're in bed. She wakes up. She goes, what are we fucking doing? I was like, what's wrong, baby? She woke up one day. I was like, we're in bed. She wakes up. She goes, what are we fucking doing?

I was like, what's wrong, baby? She goes, you see this? You see them fucking clouds? She goes, so nice in Arizona. It's just so hard to be here when I know what's out there with the beautiful weather. And I was like, I know. That's the thing is once you go to a place where it's sunny all the time and you realize how much better it is for your brain.

I see those eyes, Joe brain i see those eyes joe i would live in arizona in a heartbeat i love it down there yeah it's beautiful i mean just the people the food the food choices yeah there's a lot of that a lot of that and it's it's a great community my bet one of my best friends just moved down there uh he he moved to tucson uh and he's like i like, I don't want to move to Tucson. I want to move closer in the middle because he used to live in, that's right next to the border of Mexico. Is that Tijuana, I believe? Yeah, he's like, I used to live in Tijuana. Nothing goes on good in Tucson. And so I always tell him, we have this joke where I say, pussy run that house, not dick.

And he'll call me and he'll be like hey man you wanna play video games today I'm like nah nah I can't I gotta do some laundry and I gotta wash dishes he goes yeah I knew I knew you was soft he goes pussy run that house not dick and I'm like fuck it then I then I try to get him back again I would sit there and wait and the other day I was like hey man I'm playing um cycle I'm playing cycle you want to jump on he goes I gotta I gotta cook dinner and I was like yeah how do you I'm playing Psycho. You want to jump on? He goes, I got to cook dinner. And I was like, mm-hmm. How do you have time to play video games?

Because that is the great time suck. Video games will absorb your life. I don't look at it as a time suck. I look at it as a coping skill for me. So where I find the time is great balance, great support from the wife. And at the beginning of our marriage and our relationship, she never understood it. Shit, hell, I'm still finding out new things why I enjoy playing video games.

It's very stimulating. It's very stimulating. But for me growing up, it was me, my brother, and my sister, and my mom. And we come from a very poor background. So the one thing we did together that bonded us was playing video games. And so now being an adult, it's the only thing I have close to my childhood that brings me back to those times, if that makes sense. So when I'm playing video games with my friends, we're laughing,

we're having a good time, we can all share the same'm playing video games with my friends we're laughing we're having a good time we can all uh what's the word share the same passion playing video games where my buddy chris he's not gonna he's not an athlete he's not gonna fight right so we can't we can't we can't buy on that level and it's just something i truly love to do yeah let that shit come up. Do you ever feel like it takes up too much time? It can when I don't prioritize, right? Because don't get me wrong, it is a big time scene. That's a lot, man. When I was playing World of Warcraft, right?

That's a crazy one. Here's a funny story. So me and my wife, we didn't have any kids. My wife, it was my father-in-law's birthday. And we have a family recipe that he loves, apple pie, that's been passed down from the great-great-grandma to grandma, now to Destiny. And so it takes about three hours to make from scratch. She peels apples and makes a crust herself, all from scratch.

So my wife's like, hey, what are you doing? I was like, hey, do you mind if I play Warcraft? I'm going to play Barathe Raid Karazhan, which is one of the raids in the Burning Crusade. And she goes,

how long is it going to take? Usually takes three hours to clear, right? And you don't want to leave because if I leave, then who's going to replace me as a DPS? Damage per second, right?

So we're going, we're going to Nightbane, right? We're going up and we start fighting them and we're going we're going to night bane right we're going up and we start fighting them and we're fucking getting killed every single time my wife comes in there destiny she comes and she goes hey babe how much longer i was like oh by another hour which i knew that wasn't true i knew we still had two and a half hours left right the three hour mark comes up she goes hey

you done i was like yeah, yeah, I'm not. And three hours later, I'm still playing the same fucking game. Three hours later. Still playing the same game, same spot. Right, we die, respond, die, respond, die, respond. I was like, all right, guys, I got to call it. Like, I'm six hours past time. I'm supposed to be off here. Then I go out the living room, and she's sitting there.

She goes, okay, you supposed to be off here. Then I go out the living room and she's sitting there. She goes, okay, you got to make a choice. It's either me or World of Warcraft. I was like, bye, WoW. I'm out. Deuces. From that point, I took a huge step away from gaming. I was like, I have to put away because I could not prioritize

what was more important. They're obsessive. They're very obsessive. But then now with streaming, Twitch, I've been able to monetize it and meet amazing people that I would have never met through gaming. Are you making money off of Twitch?

I just recently switched to YouTube because of all the Twitch bullshit. What's the Twitch bullshit? Well, just, you know, me and Jamie were talking about it So I don't see twitch bullshit can be more positive. Yes, so With twitch I find it hard and I struggle with that I've been streaming on the platform for nine years and I haven't seen any growth and that could be from my part too of not

You know grinding is hard But at the point in time when I was grinding, I was making probably about like 2,500 bucks a month and just playing video games, right? It was able to cover mortgage. But my life was, I would wake up, train after my first training session, go next door, stream for two hours, go next door, back to AMC, train for another two hours, drive home, shower, kiss my wife, eat dinner, go back downstairs and stream. I had no life. That's all I did was stream, stream, stream, stream, stream. And I was able to monetize and make good money. And then I sat down and I was like, I'm not having fun

anymore. This is not, it's a job. It's a job. Like I don't, I don't want that. Right. And so then you started seeing girls utilize the platform on a different way, but the hot tub streams. I ain't hating on them. I'm happy they were able to capitalize. Hot tub streams? Okay, let me give you, you don't spend much time on the internet, so let me go ahead. Well, you do watch people get murdered, but let me tell you.

Yeah, but that's not much time. I know. It's like 30 seconds. Oh, he got his fucking head chopped off. I've cut my time down substantially. Yeah. So pretty much People would do You hear all this

There it is Hot tub streams Oh no Pools, hot tubs, and beaches So that What is that? A whole channel? That's a whole channel

That girl's doing yoga In her underwear Hilarious What do you think they're doing? What do you think they're trying to sell right there? Pussy Okay Boy

I didn't know that that existed. Jesus Christ. It does exist. How many girls? That girl's only got 44 viewers? Oh, that might not even be her stream. She's a popular porn star? Very popular.

She's working her way up. She's working her way up. She streams in a bikini? Are you allowed to be naked? No, you cannot. That qualifies. You break the conduct code. Click on this. What is this? This is the top female stream qualifies, you break the conduct code. Click on this.

This is the top female streamer. Yeah, she fucking kills it. A couple million a month. A couple million dollars a month? Yeah. Wow. But see, boom, right here. This is an ad that popped up. This is an ad that pops up, but she doesn't dictate what this ad is. She has no say so what this ad is, right? Yeah, but for a couple million

dollars a month, I bet she doesn't give a fuck. So, this was a new thing in the platform that came to, right? So, but for a couple million dollars a month, I bet she doesn't give a fuck. So this was a new thing in the platform that came to you, right? Streaming in your underwear. Yeah. So for me, after nine years on Twitch, I was like, okay, I want to try something new. So you're streaming your underwear now?

No, I'm streaming on YouTube. You know, there are a couple people who told me to do hot tub streams. Like, dude, can you stream in the hot tub? I was like, you want to see my half-naked body? Don't you see it enough when I'm fighting? He goes, I think it'd be great to see you in the hot tub, was like you wanna see my half naked body don't you see it enough when I'm fighting he goes I think it'd be great to see you in the hot tub man

I'm like banning getting him out of here now put your pants on sir exactly so I switched over to YouTube that's been fun

been able to make content on there it's been great so this is a girl I like how the reverse angle the mirror yeah so

it's like everyone has that they have a mirror yeah doesn't everyone oh Jesus and so Look how the reverse angle. The mirror? Yeah. So it's like. They have a mirror? Yeah. Doesn't everyone? Oh, Jesus. And so. I get the attraction.

So that's the thing that it's going. And then now they have poker. They have a big thing. Everybody was complaining about poker because people will gamble on Twitch. And people were like, give me your money and I'll gamble it. Right? And people were like, there's some people like, oh, that shouldn't be allowed.

There's some people that say it should be allowed. So all that, I was like, you know what? I think I'm gonna step away from Twitch. I'm gonna try YouTube. And so far, YouTube's been great. I've had a YouTube channel for a long time, but I've been trying to not post any MMA content, right? Like, I don't wanna have any mixed martial arts just because I want to be known for something else besides

mixed martial arts. I love YouTube because my channel is not dead when I'm not live. I'm only monetizing when I'm live on Twitch. Oh, I see. So people can go to your channel and watch the old videos. And the algorithm on YouTube is so much better than Twitch.

So if you're a small streamer on Twitch, you're never going to get discovered. It's very, very, very, very hard. Because there's so many people on it. There's so many people and there's no algorithm to pick you up. I switched to YouTube and people were like, I didn't even know you had a YouTube channel.

I didn't know you stream. I'm like, I've been streaming for fucking nine years. How do you not know I didn't stream? And so then i read the comments and i comment back on the comments in the on the youtube channel and then somebody says oh my god thank god for the algorithm because i would never find your channel when i see that i'm like ah and then if i do a reaction video people send me stuff and i reacted to fake martial arts and i'll sit there and just laugh about it and get my honest opinion about it and people love and eat it

up and then it's still getting views and I'm still be able to get ad revenue and the monetization on it. So that's why I switched over to YouTube. But it's all for a passion. Like I don't, I'm not relying on that money to be, to pay my bills.

Right, so you're not thinking of it as a job like you were doing with Twitch for a while. Twitch, I was like, if I want to be good, I have to stream all the time. YouTube is like, I stream when I want to and then I do a couple reaction videos, I was like, if I want to be good, I have to stream all the time. YouTube is like, I stream when I want to and then I do a couple

reaction videos, leave it up there and then when I'm not streaming right now, people are probably watching the YouTube video and be good. That makes sense.

That makes sense. YouTube does have amazing algorithms. Yes. And if you're doing something like that, it makes sense. Yeah.

The problem with YouTube for what I do is there's a lot of censorship. Yes. And especially when you talk about controversial things like, you know, COVID or anything yeah the problem with youtube for what i do is there's a lot of censorship yes and especially when you talk about controversial things like you know covid or anything along those lines like they'll they try to cancel you they try to cancel you joe youtube didn't they were there i mean they i was already gone i was already on spotify which spotify is pretty great about that stuff but if

you're a person and you get hit with a strike like YouTube only has like three strikes Oh, yeah, yeah, and they'll pull your whole fucking channel. That's the hardest thing so That's the hardest thing I've been trying to get around is me being on YouTube It's like you can't play music right or it's a copyright right so my brother my long-lost brother I just met after 35 years on this planet. Oh wow yo, man I don't know how much time we have, but we have a whole, I just met my father five years ago,

changed my life. But my brother, he's a musician, and he does beats. And so I reached out to him. I was like, hey, dude, can you make me some synthwave music that I can play on my YouTube channel? And so he's doing it,

and he does pretty good beats. And I like synthwave. Do you know what synthwave is you know what Synthwave is? No. Synthwave is kind of like an 80s, 90s rock action hero. Oh, okay. So it's kind of like that. So he's making me beats

so that way I can play music when I'm streaming on. And it's not copyrighted. It's not copyrighted. I own the rights to it, right? And on Twitch, you're allowed to play music? No, same thing. You can't either. But when I streamed on Twitch, I didn't really care about it.

I think YouTube, they're way quicker to get it up. It's a copyright change, no monetization, you're done. So Twitch, you can play music and you still get monetized. You can still monetize the stream itself. But yeah, I like YouTube. It's fun so far. Well, it's beautiful that you have so many different things you're doing. Yeah.

That you do have options outside of fighting because that is one of the biggest problems that athletes have when they retire from the sport. You give so much of your life to this one individual thing and then a lot of guys are really lost when it's over. Yeah. So it's very smart that you're planning with these businesses. And by the way, these bars, we should tell people about them one more time. Quantum Energy Square. They're very good. They're really good. It does have healthy fats in it and caffeine

and they taste good, man. We're also in REI, all whole foods. These would be great to take on hikes and shit like that. Yep. That's where we I take it when I go with the kids and I'm out to eat out there. So it's good.

And that's one of the things, I never want to be lost, right? I never want to get lost. And that's why even after my last fight, when I won, I was like, man, I did this wrong. I did this wrong. And then Matt was like, dude, you just became a fucking world champion at 36 years old.

Again, without me in your corner. Like, let's take a step back and enjoy the moment, right? And that's why I don't want to get lost in that. I don't want to succumb to that ego or you're the goat. It's like,

hey, you know what? We won. How do we get to the end game where our businesses thrive and they succeed and I go right out there to Sunset and we're like,

man, why were you so successful? And I was like, because I didn't put all my eggs. I mean, I did, but I'm also branching out and doing different things. Well, in two years, when you're done, come back on.

We'll celebrate the whole ride. And hopefully you'll be balling out of control with these quantum energy squares. Should I be like Jeff Bezos and get all fucking jacked? You'd be like, look at DJ. I remember two years ago he was on the show. Look what he's all jacked now. On the sauce. No, God, no.

Wearing gold chains. Never get on the sauce? Never. I remember two years ago he was on the show. Look at him. He's all jacked now. On the sauce. No. God, no. Wearing gold chains. Never get on the sauce? Never. I don't need it. How many people over in 1FC are on the sauce? I have no idea. Seems like a couple. Here's the thing about that.

I don't... I fought somebody on EPO. I didn't think TJ would ever take EBO. Well, he said he only took it because he was trying to make flyweight. 125, right? Yeah. Which he did look like he was on death's door. I still didn't want to believe he did it, right?

So if people are going to do it, they can do it. I talked to a buddy at my gym. I say, he goes, do you think this guy is natural or not? I'm like, I think he's natural. He goes, he's not. He's not. He came out and admitted he doesn't. I'm like, oh, man.

I would never do it. And I've seen Matt. He's still fast as hell, still trains, got biceps, got abs. I mean, he's a freak of nature, but he doesn't do anything. How old is Matt now? Matt is 56 years old. Wow. And he's still moving and still training.

And still sparring. Still sparring. That's incredible. Yeah. So I have something to look up to. Is he really strict with his diet? Yeah. But he's also just a freak of nature.

I tell him, you're built like an 18-year-old. Look at that back. Look at him biceps. But I think his biggest thing is that he travels so much, he doesn't have a time zone. So I asked him, I was like, how do you feel? At 56, he goes, if I get my sleep and my nutrition, I feel like I'm 22, 23. Wow. But he's like, if I don't get my sleep, that's what hurts him the most.

So there's going to be a chance one of these is going to beat him in sparring. And when it does, he's going to be fucking dehydrated and lethargic. And I'm like, now it's time. Catch him jet lagged. Jet lagged. I'm like, and that was the thing. That was my goal is I want to be able to take three months off from sparring. I just punched for the first time yesterday at the gym since my fight and I want to be able to like take four

months off coming to gym like all right guys you guys all been training MMA let's see how good you got in four months and I'm still beating them I'm like just like Matt did to me when I was a kid so yeah that's the goal that is the goal well DJ it's uh always a pleasure To see you man And it's a pleasure To watch you out there Killing it I really really appreciate it Thanks man It's nice to see

Thanks man You got a great attitude man Enjoy the ride I will man I will Thank you Tell everybody your social media So they can find you

Yeah social media Instagram is Mighty And Twitter is Mighty Mouse YouTube is Mighty Gaming And yeah man

Thanks for the support, Joe. I truly appreciate it, man. My pleasure, brother. Good to see you. Thank you, baby. Bye, everybody.