The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

Joe is joined by Mike Perry, a professional fighter currently competing in the middleweight division of the Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship. www.bkfc.com/fighters/mike-perry:64342d0b-44b0-4f59-ac4f-7791d2824e66

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Yes, sir. What's happening? Good to see you, brother. Great to be here. You want some coffee? You drink coffee?

Sure, yeah. Sure, I'll take some. All right. Dude, you have had a fascinating renaissance. Cheers, sir. Cheers, brother. It's hot as fuck. This bare-knuckle boxing thing has been fascinating to watch, man,

because it's like someone designed the perfect sport for you. You know what I mean? Yes. You are particularly well-suited for that. You are particularly well suited for that. And I find it so fascinating because there's a certain, and I really wanted to ask you about this, because there's a certain something that applies to bare knuckle fighting. It's like there's a pain and there's a danger and there's a wildness of it that even some very great fighters, they get to a certain, they're in there and they're like, I don't like this.

They're too used to gloves. They're too used to whatever they're used to. They don't want that experience once they find it, once they're in there. But you seem to thrive on it. You know, it's just a real fight to me. Even though, I mean, I still go to the gym and I do MMA with the guys. Like, I love boxing so much, though. It's my forte.

It's, like, what I'm good at because I'm cool to take a punch, get hit. That's fine. I'll take a hit to land a better one on you. better one on you and um in bare knuckle i mean there's a lot of opportunity to fight guys who i mean i did fight julian lane who had experience in it yeah he had nine fights in it yeah when we fought and then i fought two guys who hadn't done it yet so you know um but it's it's just like like let's talk about those two guys like first of all michael venom page that guy is super talented yeah i mean he's extraordinary when you watch him fight in mma and he's a guy that i kind of predicted one day i was like the one skill that's that you don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy blitz point fighting

style because those guys can cover crazy distances those are those really good point fighters and he was a really good point fighter and he was the first guy that kind of shoot showed how that style could apply in MMA he's so elusive and so hard to hit and you know you just put it on him it's a well it was different you know it was it's different it was boxing yeah I mean he beat a couple guys boxing yeah um but it's um I mean because he's good MMA after I beat him I thought you know maybe they'll try to make that fight happen in MMA now but I do feel like I would overpower him grappling wise but his legs are very dangerous I

mean that last guy he fought he kicked him in the leg and it was over yeah he's very dangerous that not the knockout of cyborg was fucking crazy yeah that was great poking ball yeah crazy I mean he caved his forehead in I mean his legs that's what I'm saying. His legs are dangerous. It's interesting to me to want, you know. I'm hungry for fights. I want to fight all these motherfuckers. Well, I think with a guy like that, it's funny.

I was watching Stylebender was on Andrew Schultz's podcast, and they were talking about him boxing some days. Like, boxing is too limited. It's too limited a fight. You think about a guy like him who applies this full, wild range of things, especially with Michael Venom Page, because he's so good at closing distance and kicking you and kneeing you. And the knee, the timing of that knee, I mean, magnificent, right?

Yeah. And when you take all that away and you only have these, it's a big difference. Yeah. It's a gigantic difference. Yeah. It's so interesting to me. But I have the same difference, big difference yeah it's a gigantic difference yeah it's it's so interesting but i have the same difference and i like it i like it fits me um i mean i did boxing um i had one pro boxing match i'm still oh and one as a professional boxer but then i did that triller thing in the triangle and i fought michael seals who was 27 and 3 in a mixed boxing match with a turtleback

mma gloves and um you know i won i mean i just put the pressure on him what are what are turtleback mma gloves turtleback or like the training mma gloves oh okay but it was it was like while metallica was playing oh yeah i heard it oh so they're like kind of big mma gloves oh okay but it was it was like while metallica was playing oh yeah i heard it oh so they're like kind of big mma gloves he was 27 and 3 as a professional boxer he drops me uh like once they counted it once he dropped me uh another time i got hit in the back of the head and the ref saw it and i went down a little bit but i got right back up so what is the biggest difference about bare knuckle for you i've i've learned though so like when i fought julian lane his little fucking head hurt my hands because a lot of time with boxing gloves on your hands are

like open and you try to close it at the right time but you know it's if you do that bare knuckle because you know how if you're squeezing your fist it's a little harder to move you're kind of tense but in bare knuckle you have to learn how to move while you're tense and keep your hands closed because with gloves you can block a shot like this but in in bare knuckle, you got to be closed up, tight, and squeezing your fist so hard so that when you hit them in the head, you don't destroy your hand. Yeah, there's three levels of vulnerability. And the level number one is like you would see a lot of the glory guys. They keep their hands in a shell like Alistair Overeem or, you know, like Badr Hari. Those guys would shell up.

They shell up, but they have those big ass gloves and you see that when they come to MMA some of those shots sneak through yes but then bare knuckle it's it's another level of sneaking through it's a totally different it's it's really interesting to watch a really good fighter like Luke Rockhold you know and you and you know Luke Rockhold is very skillful he's a very skillful guy and when you were putting it on him I was like this is a totally different thing and you are like uniquely suited for this totally different thing thank you it's different than regular boxing man and when remember in Pauly Malinage fought Artem Lobov lobov well paulie i mean he's a

scrawny dude yeah and lobov was just a little dog he's a dog yeah so it was a good fight to be honest but the jabbing and moving that paulie did didn't work for him and luke i don't know you know that's kind of what we were talking about when you brought up Luke we were talking about I was talking about the tight fist and like how bare knuckle is different and it's like I figured out how to utilize the bare knuckle I mean I knocked his teeth out I hit him by the time I caught him and then he was like I'm not trying to get hit like that again it was a matter of time the gap was closing it takes a second he hit me too and I told him I bet it um I haven't talked to him about it or asked him because I don't um I mean you know he lost or whatever so I don't talk to losers but I try to do what winners do man I try

to think about winners but when I hit him with that shot and he didn't want to get hit again um he had hit me I got a little knot on my face right there but I took it and I bet it hurt him I bet it hurt his hand I told him before the fight you're gonna punch me in the head it's gonna be the hardest thing you ever hit and then I'm gonna I'm gonna headbutt you in your hands and I'm gonna punch you in your face and you're gonna quit and that's what he did. Wow. Yeah, that's good stuff, man. It's a different thing, man.

It's a different thing. I think I can do it in any gloves, though, any sport. I could fight in the UFC. I have a mindset, and I fight with these guys. I do MMA. I see your belt on the wall in there when I went and did the cold plunge. It's like a red belt or a black belt with red stripes that's not your belt no no it's John Jock Machado

when he got his coral belt he gave some of them out to some of his dudes like that you know coral belt stuff I'm going to chase back my black belt I'm a purple belt four stripe for years now could have been had my brown belt

I got great jujitsu i trained with some of the best jujitsu practitioners i just choose to sprawl and brawl i like to punch people i think it's the best off button i enjoy it and it's exciting and it's entertainment business right so um and you know uh fucking lost my there's something to be said for that for sure i mean look people love to watch you fight. Thank you. I appreciate it. I was always a giant fan.

Oh, that's what my point was. Yeah, you had wild fights, man. I would fight anyone, anywhere. I would love to. Please, give me opportunities. I want to show and be... I want to be a fucking coral belt in my own right, in my own way. And people know when Mike Perry walks down the street, it's that's what the baddest motherfucker that ever lived dude mike perry

they're gonna talk about me just like they did mike tyson i feel like mike tyson i feel different i'm i'm better what what changed in you like how did you come into your own because you were always a really good fighter, but it seems like over the last few years you're on a completely different level. I have a family. I love them so much. I'm a human. I fuck up.

I make mistakes and shit, but I know I don't give up. I keep going, and I push. David Goggins type shit. You know, it's like I stopped making fucking excuses and fucking was like, you know, I'm hurt all the time. I'm always fucking hurt. I don't care. I'm like, all right, fuck it. I got to wake up every day and feel this shit.

You can't fucking hurt me because I'm in enough pain. I take anything you got and give it back. That's fighting. And I do it for, you know, I do it for fighting. I love fighting. Like, that's my shit. Even though it hurts, it fucked my face up. It's a love-hate relationship.

My family can hurt my feelings too. So it's all emotional feelings. And if you tell yourself just who cares? Like just no one cares about your problems or anything. So just handle your business. When did you get into fighting? When did you get into martial arts? I feel like, to be honest, I feel like it was September 15, 1991, the day I was born.

But 11 years old, I was on YouTube doing videos, watching Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., going to school, bringing gloves or fighting kids on the block um in the grass you know with gloves on busting kids up older kids kids my age it doesn't matter um it's just always been a fun game i played all sports basketball rode my bike 20 miles all over the streets times have changed kids ain't out there like that no more i don't know i'm surprised i didn't get kidnapped i probably would have stabbed the guy trying to do it though how many fights did you get in as a kid oh man i remember my dad always saying oh i'm a hundred no in these streets i fought 200 times or something you know i'm like no you didn't i do i fight other than the streets i mean just my whole life you know i spar every week sometimes two or three or four times sometimes every day and are you doing mma sparring because you want to compete in mma again are you doing it because

you love it like i want to fight people and i want to be better than them. In MMA too. Yeah, it's like I've had so much success with this bare knuckle boxing. It's like, give me a challenge. What do you think about bare knuckle MMA? Because I know, I believe Jorge Masvidal's organization does that, right? Is that true? Yeah, they do.

I think Jorge is a bare knuckle MMA MMA thing what do you think about because like why why do we protect the the knuckles of the hands when you don't protect all these other weapons you don't protect elbows you don't protect knees or shins which are harder it's kind of crazy that the one thing that's padded is the one thing you're kind of padding it because it's vulnerable well you figure it out a way to fight really at your best Without that I feel like I don't I don't want to use the glove as an excuse either though because I feel like in ways You can punch harder with a glove. You can throw a bigger shot with a glove. No, no for sure Yeah, no, no argument at all. It's definitely protects your hands and it's definitely safer for the fighter But is it is it realistic?

Like why is this one thing encased? Why are your hands encased? Because boxing has been around for hundreds of years and that's what we did. I know because it seems barbaric. It seems barbaric to be able to hit someone with bare knuckle. But that's the real thing. That's real. Right.

The knuckle thing is like this agreed upon padding. thing that's the that's real right the knuckle thing is like this agreed upon padding i mean i'm looking into the the business of bare knuckle um i want to do like a sanchao with a karate combat uh five second ground and pound uh bare knuckle allow elbows um like you know pfl doesn't allow elbows so that's weird i want to you know why would you make us a sport where you utilize your whole body and then you're gonna cut off one of the biggest weapons i've knocked people out with the elbows yeah what do you think of that way they're using head butts and elbows is that a is that a name of a uh it's a style of fight it's like muay thai but with like head butts oh wow you never seen a dude i've been told or you know

head butts are kind of like um we don't go that far yeah he's amazing this this cat who's the king of left way is this uh wild dude. He does headbutts in combinations. Lethwei is the sport? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's basically like a more brutal version of Muay Thai where they allow headbutts. Okay.

That's cool. They do it in Myanmar. And this dude is actually from Canada. I've seen him before. And this guy fucks everybody up. He headbutts the shit out of people. He fucks everybody up, man. I want to fight him. He's a killer. That'd be a wild fight. This guy fucks everybody up. He headbutts the shit out of people. He fucks everybody up. I want to fight him. He's a killer.

That would be a wild fight. That would be great. Yeah, but this is the thing. It's all bare knuckle, but headbutts, you're allowed to do a lot of shit. It looks like you can't hit the guy when he's down, but you can throw elbows and headbutts in combination, and everything's bare-knuckle. Yeah, you know, like I was saying, I want to challenge because, I mean,

the bare-knuckle is still challenging, but I made it so easy last time. Luke Rocco didn't have a chance, and it seemed like I could have beaten him in MMA. Do you think that, do you think there's ever a, I mean, could it ever be possible that even boxing would go to no gloves? Like if people just decide they'd like bare number more? Because there's this, there's this, what do you call it? Deep down into boxing, like it has its own soul. And that's why it's been around for 200 years and, or more.

and that's why it's been around for 200 years and or more and um you know it's like when you speaking of boxing t bud versus spence yeah amazing coming up amazing what a fight yeah i get goosebumps just thinking about one everything about it spence is spence the same since the car accident even though he's's had fights, I've seen him, you know, not paying attention in a fight with Ugas. Ugas was hitting him because he just was, like, looking around in the ring. And then, and he's got, you know, T-Bud 39-0. Yeah. That's insane. Insane.

So, and he's a dog. He's a dog, and he's the best switch hitter since Hagler. They're going to fight. That dude can fight so well. And they hit so hard with the gloves, and their technique is so tight. They can't take their gloves off. The fight be over. That's the problem.

These 12-round fights, these guys go at it for all 12. And, you know. Yeah. It's a different thing. It's just a totally different thing i guess you gotta want a a knockout or a technique you know whichever one the fans want the most if they like bare knuckle i mean they do it's just so different there's just so much you could you could never get away with it's exciting and it's-paced, and everything is like pushes. Like, we go for it, so people enjoy watching it more than— You know, you're always at the fights live.

UFC, the best fights in the world, though. It's got to be amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. You get the feel of everything, the crowd, the moments. I know. It's great. There's nothing like being in the room when it's happening.

Shout out Philly Fresh. He fighting Jacksonville UFC event in Jacksonville, Florida on the 24th. So in 10 days. Who is he fighting? Is he fighting? It's a good fucking fight. Neil Magny. They're the same, you know?

That's a good fight. Just a comparison. It's not racist like all the jokes in the comedy club. They're both long. Crazy. Not from you. Some of your other comics. Wasn't me. Hilarious, though. and it's not racist like you know all the jokes in the comedy club they're both long crazy not from you some of your other comics wasn't me hilarious though yeah funny dudes um they're both like neil magny is a crazy gas tank crazy gas tank you know i mean he's he's proven neil magny has proven by beating people that you didn't expect him to beat.

And he shows up in battles. I mean, obviously, I'm rooting for my friend. He's got great jiu-jitsu. Phil's on the rise, too, man. And he is on the rise. And his mindset has been this focused mindset for the past couple years. He really, you know, we both kind of made a turn and a change. He's got a couple babies now.

You know, we're growing up in this sport. We've been doing this shit for, honestly, I'm 31. I've been doing this shit for 20 years. Do you think that bare-knuckle, like, that there's less of a length of your career if you do bare-knuckle? Is it more likely that you could get injured, like you could hurt your hands? Or do you think that you could have the same length of career bare knuckle as you can in, like, regular MMA? I feel like I'm going to fight every day of my life forever for the rest of time that I am here on this earth

because that is what I do. That is what I was put here to do. And it doesn't matter what you do for a living. You're fighting for something. Everyone's fighting. You know, I fight to get out of bed in the morning because my neck hurts. So, you know, and I'm going to keep fucking doing it every day forever until, you know, God bless my friend Michael Milmerstadt and his family. He passed he's a great man he's got three boys he left behind I I did a go fund me for the family his wife got that and you know um boxing you know I did it to him and you don't know which because he was so good he was such a great he was a black belt in jiu-jitsu he's an MMA fighter a cop a SWAT member and then just working out one day in boxing and his

brain was bleeding and oh man it's insane so it's like from a sparring match you know i gotta go a hundred percent now yeah because you never know god damn and i've been in wars. You know what I mean? I thought after that, but it's like I can't give up because I have the opportunity to. I'm making money. I'm making money now. It's crazy the money I'm making. So, you know. Look at you. I know, but your money, you don't care about that stuff.

You're like, I mean, this this this place this facility all the stuff you got all the toys and gadgets and it's crazy you it's not even toys and gadgets it's samurai armor from 15 million years ago the first samurai ever and dinosaur bones we had a bison skull coming today from john reese isn't that cool? Mike Tyson's jacket. Yeah. That's Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt. Gordon Ryan's a great jiu-jitsu guy, man. He's done well.

Yeah. You know, I got to do. I kind of called him out on something. And, you know, he competes against, you know, in jiu-jitsu, those guys will compete against anyone. So it's like I would probably lose, but we were going to do like a slap jitsu. A slap jitsu? Hell yeah. Oh, shit.

Hell yeah. Let's do slaps. That's different. That is different. That adds a whole other element. He'll probably break my foot, and I'll have to. Yeah, you don't want to. Can he play with me, though?

I'm such a grown man. That's such a great man. Like, I mean, like. That's such a great way to put it. I'll fight anyone, dude, but it's not a fight. It's the rules. It's how they lay the rules out for you. Bare Knuckle is my rule set for sure. Here's the thing about slapping.

This is the reality. If you go back and watch Boss Rootin' in the Pancrase days, Boss Rootin' was the first guy to figure it out. You're calling it a slap, but Boss Rootin is pulling his hands way back, and he's palming you, and he can actually hit you and not even worry about hurting his hands. So he can kind of hit you harder in a lot of ways. Right.

No, slaps are – You're not allowed to slap and bare knuckle. Isn't that fucked up? That's crazy. I slapped Julian Lane a couple times, and the ref was like, I'm like, damn, bro, I can't even close my hand. It's like the fifth round. I couldn't even close my shit.

I slapped him. Look at the—Boss Rutten was fucking— Yeah, dude. See how he's—look how far he's pulling his hand back? Yeah. Yeah. Boss is great, man. Oh, my God.

He was an animal. But he was figuring out how to really fuck people up with palm strikes So that what it wasn't as simple as like Slapping is safer or something like that I think that was like one of the reasons why they if it used to be able to do it in California at one point in time you were able to do pancreas so you could slap but you had to have an open hand There was like a lot of of those weird rules back then. But Boss figured out. So combat jiu-jitsu, with just slapping,

if it's getting to the ground, you could hit somebody pretty fucking hard with the palm of your hand if you're in the top position. But you have to be grappling already. You can't just slap boxing. Right, you can't just slap from the beginning, which is kind of weird, too. It's kind of weird, too. It's kind of weird, too.

Let me. They should let me. Gordon Ryan would let me. I'm going to slapbox his ass. Yeah. Try not to let him get a hold of me. Man, I brought you some gifts. Oh, did you?

I did. If I could get that out of the way. Nothing special, man. Nothing crazy because you're Joe Rogan. I don't know. I tried to bring you something, though. Thank you very much. Thank you.

I don't give people gifts. Well, I appreciate it, man. Let's see, man. Let's see here. I'm glad you came in here because I've really been appreciating your fights. I really have. And especially the bare knuckle ones, Risa. I'm like, God damn.

Get them any attention, damn it. What do you got in there, dude? Everything. Everything, dude. I got so much stuff in here. So you can just give it to me later if you want. I'll put it down. I gotta give it to you.

All right. Here we go. Does your contract with bare-knuckle, do they let you do other kind of fights yes they'll let me box they let other guys go back to mma and stuff so it's like you know i'm in the fight business i'm gonna i'm a hired um you know assassin i guess i'm a hit man i brought you the shorts that I fought Paul Felder in. Oh, wow. They're a little beat up, but...

Thank you. Thank you very much, man. That's awesome. Of course. They're clean. Thank you very much. That's fucking awesome. I also have a coaster from when I fought Lou Grokhold.

Oh, right. It's got all of us on there. These are from Wuhanuhan china when when covid happened i've had these air fresheners for a while so i got like a couple designs i got you a few it's like a pmp and and uh my little character oh nice. Oh, you got air fresheners. I love it. Sorry, dude. I'm putting all this stuff on the table. And I got you the best for last.

Birthday cake. Oh. Chocolate bar from Colorado. Oh, thank you very much. Yes, sir. Thank you very much, Mike. Oh, my pleasure, man. It was very kind of you.

Thank you for having me on the show, bro. Thank you very much, Mike. Oh, my pleasure, man. It was very kind of you. Thank you for having me on the show, bro. My pleasure. I wish you would have told me about your show, but, like, God just works, man, because we just went for a walk. I asked my girl, I said, where do we go in Austin? She knows Texas. I don't. And she's, like, 6th Street. So we start fucking walking.

And we're like, oh, it's this comedy store right here, man. Everybody's in line. What's going on? We get in line. We hear the lady. If you're here for Joe Rogan, you know, this line, 7 o'clock. I'm like, let's go. Let's go. And you guys hooked us up anyways and got us in there. And we were sitting top man it's a great show you guys are geniuses the way you talk and weave through a conversation i don't know where you're going and then boom a punchline hits it's hilarious thanks man i'm glad you had a good time so smart it's a fun place i i didn't know you were coming to town uh yesterday i would have invited you i wasn't sure if you're coming oh okay sometimes people come in the day. I wasn't sure if you were coming to talk to me. Oh, okay. Sometimes people come in the day of.

I wasn't sure. If you had set it up, my managers do it for me. Thank God for them. Well, I'm glad you came. First round management, Abe. I'm glad you came. Malky. Thank you.

Yeah, that place is wild. It's like that whole street is wild. Sixth Street, it's crazy. Like on Saturday night, we're looking through the window. It's like a zombie movie. All these people walking down the streets because it's closed off. It's a little bit like L.A. Well, parts of it are.

I didn't expect that. There's more tents lately, I've noticed. Like they clean them up and then they come back again. For a while, they had housed a lot of people. It's not as bad, though. I guess L.A. has spots that, you know. L.A. is crazy. L.A. doesn't make sense.

Isn't that wild? And that's the most expensive place to live in the United States, really. I mean, New York and L.A. And they can get, you know, them projects get. The thing about cities like that is once they slide, it's real hard to bring them back. Because they're like battleships. You know, when they're moving in a bad direction when you're getting overrun by homelessness and crime people just start moving out and we have

this i think a distorted idea that the way thing like if something's great it's gonna stay great if something's a thing that's valuable it's gonna stay value it's gonna it's people gonna get to a point where you're living in a place like that, where there's tents everywhere. He was like, you know, I got to get the fuck out of here. And then everybody gets the fuck out of there except for the people in the tents. They're going to take it over.

I mean, it's the whole thing is nuts. You're not even allowed to litter. You can't litter. Right. So how can you leave all your shit in a tent on the sidewalk? What is that? They have piles of trash. the whole thing is crazy it's like you can't just camp places you gotta fit there's got to be a better solution than just letting people camp places and i don't know what austin did for a

while though they they they housed people they put them in hotels or something because they cleaned up a giant part of it. I know there's a bunch of programs to try to teach them trades, and there's these housing options that some of the philanthropists out here have set up where they're trying to reintroduce some of these people back to the community. It's difficult. But they did something, and then it seems like it's kind of slidingintroduce some of these people back to the community. It's difficult. But they did something, and then it seems like it's kind of sliding back again. But, you know, it's all over the country now, which you never saw before. Never.

When you were a kid, do you remember seeing people just camped out? I lived in Flint, and I don't remember seeing a bunch of homeless people. You know what I mean? Flint is supposed to be a rough town in the hood, but it's, I don't know, 20 years ago, life was different. Don't they say there's like 100,000 homeless people in L.A.? Isn't it something crazy like that? That's insane, man. That's crazy.

That's scary. That's the population of Boulder, Colorado. That's scary. Just homeless people. How do people pull up, though? Is that true? Like Cubans pull up to Miami on these boats. They got a piece of wood and they oared 90 miles in this boat with like 17 family members.

And they pull up on the beach and they go start their life. Yeah, but you know why? Because they're escaping communism. Right. No, I you know why? Because they're escaping communism. Right. No, I mean props. Absolutely. Right, right, right. But I'm saying these folks, they're not escaping communism.

Most of them are mentally ill. Mm-hmm. When you're getting like homeless people, most of those people are mentally ill or like severe drug addicts. Well, because they're on drugs. Yeah. They're on drugs and they're mentally ill or both or because of. But that's a lot of it. Drugs. Yeah. They're on drugs and they're mentally ill or both or because of, you know, it's like, but that's a lot of it.

And so like in San Francisco, that's the big criticism that there's a guy named Michael Schellenberger and he wrote a book called San Francisco describing like what happens when progressives ruin cities like they're ruining San Francisco. And he was saying like, did it just gets to a point where it's just, it's just, it's, what's going on is too nuts. Like, you're allowing these people to have these open-air drug dens. It's a choice, though. And you're paying them money to stay there. They're paying them money.

They're paying them money. They give them money. They interviewed these guys that were, like, camped out. And they're saying one of the good things about being a homeless person in San Francisco is they give you money. They give you a certain amount of money. Yeah. Give you a certain amount of money every month. And so there's no incentive to ever leave.

Bringing it on themselves. But you got to want more in life. You got to see cool shit and be like, I fucking want to put those. It's hard to be organized. That's my biggest problem. Why I'm not so rich, I think. I got to organize my shit, man. I keep a bunch of mementos and I start hoarding shit. I'm like, damn, man, we're moving right now.

I'm trying to buy this house. I'm supposed to close on a beautiful home, but we need a new appraisal. We got one, and they're getting another one so they pushed the date but i'm hoping we can get in here because i got the money for it so let me in and um but you know forgot my point again man we should spark that back up if maybe i'll remember refire up the engines man yeah what were what were you saying i don't know i keep looking at that alien uh that spaceship beaming up that person what do you think about all that alien shit mike perry oh it's all popping right now yeah it is what are they trying to hide they're just putting all this information out there. It's fake.

It's bullshit. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What are they trying to hide? Here's the thing. I'm so greedy. CGI shit, bro. There's fake shit.

I don't know. I don't know what's fake and what's not fake. But I do know that it just seems weird that all this is coming at you. Aliens are my cousin, though. I fuck with the aliens. If they come here, if they want to start some shit, I'll punch one of them in the face. But they better know how to act

and they coming up in my backyard. The planet is ours, so, you know, we got to have each other's back. If they really here, they ain't here. They could probably destroy us if they could come here. Yeah. Did you see that thing in Vegas?

This family said that a UFO landed in their backyard and like an 8 to 10 foot tall alien came out. Have we talked about this yet? No. I mean, not on here. Not on here. Have you seen it, Mike Perry? I don't believe it.

Have you seen it? It seems so dumb. First of all, why didn't they film it? They filmed all this other shit. Why didn't they film that? They tried that they tried did they try i mean i could play their side of the story what do you think what do you think i'm just being skeptical i saw this little like spanish kid was talking about on instagram they they were like making a video i saw we saw it was yeah it was real it's like yeah y'all look like paid actors. Well, here's the thing. Investigative reporter George Knapp tried to interview them on several occasions.

And they made appointments to have him interview them. And when he went there, they wouldn't answer the door. So I don't know. Maybe they're nervous about all the attention. I don't know. I don't know. That seems real. They don't want

the attention they're like we're not answering the door that's possible what normal people don't want the attention that's true

he said they're like 9 feet 10 here that's you got the wrong thing hold on

hold on what is I think the podcast is still playing on Spotify oh yeah that's it it is whoops um uh What is? I don't think the podcast is still playing on Spotify right now. Oh. Yeah, that's it.

Whoops. Sound. Camera footage. I have butterflies, bro. Everyone thought I was shooting a star. Then these people say there's aliens in their backyard. So when that 911 call came in, less than an hour later, police were ready to believe it. It was like a big creature.

A big creature? Yeah, like a long time ago. Because I i'm not gonna bs you guys one of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky too so that's why i'm kind of curious did you see anything land in your backyard but after a brief investigation of the yard officers closed the case it's a whole video about nothing really come back don't call us all right deal with it yourself that i ain't dealing with that according to former intelligence officer if i was an alien those exactly the kind of people that i would talk to oh i wouldn't know what he would believe yeah this is a cgi thing oh yeah why the fcgi i don't know why they would do that why are you telling me what i should see yeah i don't know man i think for sure it's possible that alien life exists and is visiting.

For sure it's possible. But also, it just seems real weird that they're so forthcoming with information and all these whistleblowers and everything. Part of me is going like... Do you think aliens get sex changes? Yeah, I think they gave up on sex, totally. If you look at like... They have mental sex, like telekinesis.

Like the Matrix. If you look at what those grays look like, they have giant heads. They have spindly bodies and no gender. They're genderless. They probably don't reproduce with sex anymore. They probably reproduce through technology. And they probably all look exactly the same. So they're equal in some weird way.

We're living in the matrix. Yeah. So we're asleep right now. If you can imagine being a human being, right? You imagine being a person. You can imagine being another life form that eventually gets to a place and evolves either through technology or what to what those things are right we all adapt in evolution yeah yeah right we're not gonna stop wherever we are now no we're gonna keep going yeah i'm gonna grow wings and fly i don't know that would be cool yeah do you think that that i

mean that's what i've thought many times when i see like that that classic gray alien with the big head the big black eyes i always think maybe that's what we are in the future maybe that's us maybe that's what we're seeing i was just thinking about that metal statue you have out there the wolf fucking the gorilla oh you know what that's from? That was a dream that I had. I had this crazy dream. You had somebody make a dream? That's cool. I had this crazy dream that this werewolf was fucking a gorilla.

Did you draw a picture? No. No, I was just saying, like, I was just having a conversation with a friend, and I was saying, like, what the fuck is dreams? Like, why are dreams so fucked up? And I had this dream that i was like sneaking around like trying like the outside of the wall hoping they wouldn't notice me while werewolves was a gorilla like it made no sense that's and so some dude made a sculpture of it and sent it to me i feel like i don't dream man you don't dream at all i feel like

i don't i don't really have any memories of dreams there it is it's pretty dope but i'd be like living the dream um what a crazy i try to this is my brain um you smoke a lot of weed though right not as much as i used to i think that um for me, when I stop, whenever I take breaks, my dreams become way more vivid. Right. Sometimes. But then sometimes I'm like, I've been smoking, and then I do have a dream, but, like, I don't remember it later.

I mean, I've told my girl a couple of times about oh I had a dream last night she always dreams that um you know being bad or cheating I'm like is it why are you dreaming like that I'm I'll be here at the house or I go work out in the gym that's what I do so you know the weird the weirdest things about dreams is that right when you wake up they're so vivid but then a few minutes later you can't remember what the fuck it was like it was so interesting to you when you wake up like wow that dream was crazy like it was like dreams piss me off that's why I choose to like deny them sometimes it's just they piss me off because I'm like

Punch you in your face or in a dream. Yeah, but in real life I can control everything I've had I've had one where I can't run away Like you can't run something's chasing after and your legs aren't working Are you like in the wall that's chasing after you and your legs aren't working right or you're like in the wall that's sinking I don't know damn I gotta make a statue of one of my dreams

a statue? like that? yeah yeah I wonder how much dreams are of reflection of like whatever whatever's in our genetics. If there's genetic memory. I wonder if some dreams are some genetic memory from the past.

We all remember when you were on Fear Factor and made people eat those penises. We all remember that. Yeah. It's a memory that is in humankind's genetics. We're living it right now. Yeah. You know, we're all oppressed. But I'm wondering, like, I wonder how much of, like, fears and dreams.

Like, I've had a bunch of dreams about being chased by wolves. Mm. A bunch. And I've always wondered what that dreams about being chased by wolves A bunch And I've always wondered what that is I don't run from wolves You don't run? I feel like I would give them a hug Come here baby

Come here baby I'll wrestle that motherfucker to the ground I'll grab a fucking wolf and bite his ass shit Be like boy I run this shit Stop Wow I have a German Shepherd.

He's a baby, though. There's a big difference between that and a wolf. Yeah, for sure. Whatever. You talk about a dog killing a bunch of jackals. I'll get a dog. I'm human. We on top of the food chain.

Fuck the aliens. I'm trying to eat some aliens. I'm trying to eat some aliens. I'm trying to eat some aliens. I want to try that shit. Is that cannibalism? No. No, not cannibalism. Eating an alien?

I don't think so. All right. That's probably frowned upon. There was this movie. I think it'd be like Octopus. This movie called Moment of Contact. And there's a UFO crashed in Virginia Brazil in 1996 and this cop had carried one of the bodies like the injured alien and they put it

in the back of the car and they drove it to the hospital and they took it to another hospital it's all documented it's crazy the cop who was carrying the alien died of a horrific bacterial infection that they couldn't cure him of antibiotics didn't work he was a young guy he was dead within like a couple of weeks they don't know what the fuck it was doctors had never seen anything like it doctors are crazy imagine if he's telling the truth imagine it really is a little alien spacecraft that crashed and he picked up a body and tried to carry it to the hospital, this being. And imagine them bringing a fucking alien into a hospital. Like, hey, look what we got here.

They do. We are aliens. Oh, okay. We are or we ain't. That's what I said. Is it cannibalism if I eat one of them? No, because they're different species of us, whatever we are. Right.

We're just a germ. You remember Powerpuff Girls and they had the germ dudes and then the, I don't know, the green dudes? No, I don't remember. No, you were already grown up when I was watching Powerpuff. I'm still kind of young, so I can fight for a little while. Yeah, you're only 31. Yeah, man. How old were you of young, so I can fight for a little while. Yeah, you're only 31. Yeah, man. How old were you when you had your first UFC fight?

24. 24. And how much formal training? Like, when did you start, like, formally MMA training? Like, training MMA in a gym? 15 years ago. I did it as a kid. Right.

My dad talked about it. He did a couple kickboxing matches, like one or two. I don't know. But he fought in the streets and stuff, I guess. So my dad was a wild dude. I mean, he had bags. He was a naval guy my dad was a wild dude i mean he he had bought uh bags he was a naval guy he was a navy guy um and he i would use some of his boxing equipment at a young age so you know i've always been punching and uh but formal training i mean i trained myself for a long time youtube like i said really but i got

with julian williams and i met this central florida group of mixed martial artists have been around for you know it feels like 15 years um i've been knowing them so since i was in my teens formal training and. And did you go through, like, an amateur MMA program? Did you have any amateur fights? Yes, I had, like, 20 amateur fights, but I guess it was, like, a scattered version. There are things that are more organized and put together that, I mean, like, the boxing, like, the little kids that do boxing all over the country they're

fighting every week they're you know they get how many fights before they go pro 100 fights 200 fights lomachenko 300 fights before they go pro these kids and their parents i i see that now because the boxing gym i work at technique boxing you, I get to be around that type of, um, whatever that is that, uh, that's that deep down that the soul of it, it's about the kids and they, they become great boxers over the years of doing it. And, um, you know, it and you know I've I've done it too but we were like one of the first late I mean then no fighting was already around in the 80s and then there's boxing obviously Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali obviously those were big fights but you know now there's more formal kids and like the karate combat dudes, they are they've been raised well by their parents. You know what I mean? Like they have manners and and they have technique in karate, which is it's different.

If you look at all the techniques like Muay Thai is like a dog fight, but there is technique. Boxing has, and when I say technique, it's like positions of your body. That's how you generate force and, you know, physically control whatever's happening and fighting. I mean, that's what we're talking about is how do you fight how shit why you know i wish i could bring something else to the world it means more but that you know the world does piss me off sometimes, so I'm like, yay, I get to punch somebody for this. But thank God. But how can I be an addition to society and make a difference and build something and think about something and be smart? And fuck, man, being smarter is harder, bro.

It's fucking hard out here. What about maybe, have you thought about starting a gym hmm yeah um yeah i mean i'm because i want to do a a fight thing a business company a fight business company like a promotion company yeah yeah i. There's a lot of ways a guy like you who, you know, there's a lot of guys that can relate to people like you. There's a lot of guys that, you know, they want to fight too. There's a lot of angry men. And they want to relate to a guy who's figured out a way to positively channel that. It is really positive, but then it becomes funny it's like i feel like i understand

fighting to the point where it's like i see i'm having trouble seeing the point of fighting it seems like a joke i mean it's a fun sport and but there comes a time i think when it becomes you know that's the question. Am I going to put it ahead of me and make it more important than my own self? I mean, I feel like I'm not getting hurt, to be honest. But I do take some hits in training. You know, that shit add up. I've been taking punches for 20 years.

It just feels like, you know um it doesn't hurt until later it hurts later and then um you know so i don't know man have you given thought to doing something else have you given thought to like what are you going to do when you're done with this no i feel like i just let's go into construction just be an old guy instruction and start fixing shit man pick up some tools old school get get me i gotta get a hot ride again man i fucked around with a few hot rods i'm like man i just gotta gotta get another one and make it nice um you know but i'll be driving the family around now so i'm everything's on hold i think i just really just have faith in god and i try to do what's right and be good and

um you know as long as i support those around me the women and children i'll be good to go so um how did this uh bare knuckle thing come about like what what do you just want to test the waters over there was it something just a lucrative offer like what made you go over there oh yeah big money it was big to me it was definitely big it was big fights um but know, there wasn't a ton of people at the arena when I fought MVP, but everybody did see it. Yeah. So, you know, but. Well, I think after this Rockhold fight, it's changed people's appreciation for, first of all, how difficult it is. Like, when you see Rockhold's jaw fucked up with his teeth fucked up.

And you, you know, you see that you've been beating guys like him and Michael Venom Page. And it's like, this is, these are like very high level guys. And you're, you're doing it in this sport that's like, man, this is a, it's a completely different thing to me, at least. It's like what you're, the way you're describing completely makes sense about how you have to be tight all the time but still move well. Check this out. Michael Venom Page or Misfits Boxing. Yes. What's his damn name?

That English kid over there that runs Misfits Boxing. It's like most valuable promotions with Jake Paul. KSI. KSI has Misfits Boxing. It's like most valuable promotions with Jake Paul. KSI. KSI has Misfits Boxing. That's his. Okay. And we were talking with my people about a possible tournament style, one night, three fights, boxing with gloves.

Or would it be kickboxing with gloves? I don't know what it was right but um and we me and MVP start on different sides of the bracket and we fight three three minute rounds each time meaning so the first two me and MVP should win the fights and then we're fighting again in the finals for rounds uh seven eight and nine uh we would be fighting each other so it'd be three opponents three fights in one night it would pay a bunch of money per fight wow i think that sounded kind of cool i would love you know i would definitely give mvp another shot This is an event they have announced. They have a tag team event going on and a survivor tag match, too.

I wonder how that works. Tag team. Yeah, like Kimbo Slice Jr. is on here. I've seen Rahman Jr. This is crazy. I have no idea how it's going based off of that. How are they going to do that? That seems interesting to watch.

Tag team. Yeah. Huh. Oh, my God. It's going based off of that. How are they going to do that? That seems interesting to watch. Tag team. Yeah. Huh. Oh, my God. It's going to be wild. Well, it just kind of makes sense, right? People are always trying to push the boundaries. People are always trying to like, okay, is that hardcore enough?

What about if we have a bunch of dudes fighting? Like you've seen those Russian videos. Oh, it's cool. Where they have like teams of dudes meet on a field and just start beating the fuck out of each other oh yeah like 200 600 200 let's go i want to try that shit though see that's you know where is that group of fighting people man that's wild i think it was in russia was that where it was yeah i think there was ireland, man. Gypsies. Car fights. Fighting in a phone booth.

Russians are just different, man. They're just different. A well-put-together American is fucking up there, though. We're up there. Oh, for sure. For sure. But we're not having groups of 200 people meet groups of 200 people and just running into each other on a football field and beating the fuck out of each other.

Come on, let's go, America. Let's do the American team versus that big Russian team, man. Let's see what happens. 200 on 200. Bro, that would be scary. What is this? The team fighting championship. Oh, God.

Which is sort of what? It's not the giant field one, but this is. So this is Poland versus Sweden. Oh, my God. Which is sort of what... It's not the giant field one, but this is... So this is Poland versus Sweden. Oh, my God, this is insane. Jesus Christ. I went to Russia, and they tried to, you know, they tried to fight me at a press conference. Oh, my God.

Where did you go to Russia for? My friend was fighting. Fucker. He fucking got beat up by this big Russian guy. He fights giants, man. He just fought, you know, it's not, you know, he just fought, what's that dude's name in the UFC who, Johnny, the 205er light heavyweight well Johnny Walker Johnny Walker yeah and uh his brother he has a brother that's 12 and 0 or 11 and 0 now because he beat Alex but he's like 260 pounds I think and Alex is like 220 220 or 225 and he fights these heavyweights he had a

good battle with him he didn't win that one but um Johnny Walker is an interesting guy yeah that dude has crazy power look at that yeah I'm him. Damn. Good for him, man. He had a good fight, my boy. Very interesting. 11-0. Johnny Walker, he generates power from some crazy ways. Like when he's fighting Paul Craig, and Paul Craig grabbed a hold of his leg, and he's KOing him while he's hopping around on one leg.

Jamal Hill, bro. Yeah. of his leg and he's kaoing him while he's like hopping around on one leg jamal hill bro yeah that time that he got hit in the forehead like that and he put johnny um jamal hill's cool bro he from he from uh he just like fights man he just get in there he's he's got he's got amazing timing too yeah his time he's long he's long and he's just strong though yeah long and strong and you know just like when he fought glover i was like god man jamal's like you know and he's coming into his own too there's a thing that happens to a guy like when he hits that championship level where they just coming in their own and they start to really shine and that's where he's at like that guy's got crazy power he's a fun dude too boom i mean that's wild man sorry john it's crazy because let's go jamal from grand blank that's where he lives i was talking to him the other day. I'm like, shit, I want to train with him.

He's the champ. Yeah. At 205, outside of, you know, Jon Jones. Is he undefeated, Jamal Hill? No. Paul Craig tapped him out. Oh, his arm bar. Yeah, see Paul Craig? He be having, you know, ups and downs.

He can beat anyone with that grappling. That grappling is crazy. His guard is crazy. His guard's crazy he just cinches up those triangles on you just gotta smash when somebody's grabbing you you know well that's what johnny walker did it's what johnny walker did to uh to paul craig paul craig yeah i remember he was holding on to that leg trying to get the tank down johnny walker's just so fucking athletic and he he's an interesting dude, man.

I mean, if you back it up so you can see, like, how it started. So he, like, grabs his leg. And look at it. He's KOing him while he's holding his leg up in the air. I mean, that is nuts. That kind of power is nuts. Oh, my gosh. See that?

Yeah, that hurt his head, man. He's a big dude for 205. That hurt his head. He's so big. Yeah, fuck. I love the fights, man. Oh, Yoel Romero's fighting Bellator this weekend. I know.

Isn't that wild? He looks like he's 30 years old. Oh, my gosh. He does. He looks exactly the same. He looks exactly the same. That dude is amazing. He's a good soul, man. He's a great soul. He looks exactly the same. That dude is amazing. He's a good soul, man.

He's a great soul. Yoel is very strong. He holds up the community, man. Support him. I had a podcast I did with him and Joey Diaz, and Joey Diaz translated. So Yoel would say some of the stuff in English, but then he would say some of the stuff in Spanish. And Joey Diaz would translate it. It was amazing. Yeah, Joey Diaz is cool, man.

He's the best. He's a crazy guy, man. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah, he's the best. Can of corn. Yeah. Can of corn and I'll be fine.

What's that from The Longest Yard, man? Yeah. He was in there. Joey Diaz. Hilarious. Yeah. He, you know, he came from Cuba as well. And the way they were describing the system over in Cuba,

and Yoel was talking about the wrestling system that he came up through. He goes, it makes you a machine. That's good, man. A machine. I want to be an actor, bro Is that what you wanna do? I'm dream big, why not? Oh, you can do it Let me be a bad guy in a movie or something, man That's what I'm saying

How about you and John Wick 5? Let's go Let's go Keanu, bro Come on, man You'd be an amazing bad guy assassin With a suit, with a sharp suit on Let's go

Come on, Mike Perry That's something, man suit on come on that would actually that actually would work that actually would work I could see that I'm about to go get married in Vegas man all right man I'm gonna go do I have a good time in the fam nice some fun so do you have any fights lined up like how does it work after this uh this last which you know probably this is like the most popular performance like in terms of the amount of people that watched the rockhold fight was that like the biggest one that they put on um so do they have anything lined up for you? Apparently, you know, there's a couple deals on the table, and I really don't know what's, you know, am I supposed to decide what happens? I really, my team is trying to give me the best deal possible, life-changing deal.

You know, I had success against Rockhold, and it's, I've been doing good, and I'm trying to stay on that path, and, you know, I'll fight anyone. It don't matter. I'll fight, and, you know, a lot of haters on the Internet, man, come on, UFC, give me that good deal, man, give me a good deal. I don't think they match a deal like the ones that I'm going to get, though. I mean, damn, where do I want to be champion? Where do I get the most views?

That's what I want. I want to fight in front of the biggest crowd I can and people enjoy it. Enjoy the show, man, because I'm going to go for broke. Headbutt your shit and fucking. And it don't matter if it's bare knuckle or if it's with gloves or boxing gloves. A boxing ring. Anthony Pettis just fought Roy Jones Jr. It was a great fight.

You know, I think that's a great fight for me in a boxing match. And I love Anthony. And God bless him. And he's a great fight for me, a boxing match. And I love Anthony, and God bless him, and he's a competitor. And, you know, it's just a fun little boxing match. And if we could get paid good for it, I want to do it and show up in sport. I want to work with pro fighters all over. So I said I wanted to go work with Jamal Hill.

What do you think I mean when I say work? We're going to put gloves on and try to swing at each other. so we might as well just fight i'll fight jamal hill god bless him too i mean he'll probably beat my ass he's too big he's 205 or but give me a i'll try it let's go i know you would all right there's a fucking bigger they are the harder they fall man there's a hilarious video of you with darren till yeah that's a Yeah, that's a good fight. That's a great fight. But when you were saying to him, do you want to spar? And he thought you were saying, do you want to go to the spa?

Like, go get a massage. No, I think he knew what I meant. I think that was just his joke. He's a clever little fucker. That's a great fight. Where do we want to do that fight who wants to take that fight and get the viewers from it is me and Darren Till in any way either MMA because he did MMA Masvidal clapped his yeah face and, you know. Yeah, he's a big guy that was cutting down to 172. I mean, do you think that when those guys really cut down like that, that it affects your chin?

People want to see me fucking fight in Africa. Because they say I'm from, that's what they say all over the internet. That's the joke that goes around. Is it on fortune? Fucking, on fortune? From, that's what they say all over the internet. That's the joke that goes around. Is it on 4chan? Fucking, on 4chan? 4chan, you know what that is? What is that? That's the internet when, like, when you just let it go uncensored.

It's a website with crazy people. Well, no, they, uh. But it just sounds like something they might try to organize. It's because I said it a long time ago. I wonder if the UFC is ever going to have a fight in Africa. That would be wild. You know, maybe in like the same place where Ali fought Foreman. I'm saying PFL has Francis Ngannou now.

That's interesting right because isn't it something crazy like francis's opponent has to get paid a million dollars did you read that let's make sure that that's true because i i think i'm repeating that that someone told me i want to make sure that's true is that you know what it was it was stylebender he was talking to schultz about it yeah uh the pfl has offered to pay in ghanu's opponent a minimum purse of two million dollars and ghanu did not want to face an opponent who was not paid what they deserve wow he wants to see fighters be rewarded he wants the best possible opponent so listen man that spices things up if you know you're going to get two million bucks to fight him guys who are on like the end of their

contract and what's good about that it's just like raises competition for everybody and i think there's so many fighters now that it's almost like we competition for everybody and I think there's so many fighters now that it's almost like we need more organizations we but I think we definitely need more weight classes don't don't you think yeah just meet up and fight I weigh 195 190 right now I probably lost some weight this morning, but 190. So, you know, I could fight a guy at the bar in the street, 200 pounds. Right, but as a sport, do you think, like as UFC, do you think the UFC should have more weight classes?

Boxing does, so why not? I mean, who cares, though? What you meet at. 170, to go back to 170, I've been at 75, and then my last fight was at 185. But MMA is different with 185. But in boxing, I was a good size for 185. I'm short, and you can box being short,

but when you're up against the kicks you can't be dipping down I mean I still do good when I fight kickboxers but I'd have to pick it back up again I've had some trouble getting kicked before and things like that I mean I don't know

I don't know I don't think about it you don't think about it you just fight whatever you don't have a preference don't know. I don't think about it. You don't think about it. You just fight, whatever. Yeah. You don't have a preference. Like, if you had a preference. Like, would your preference be a smart coffee? Yeah, I don't care if you – sure, thanks.

Would your preference be that, like, the UFC comes to you with a big offer? Would that be your preference? Isn't that the top of the food chain, though? The pay-per-view, the crowd, the UFC pay-per-view. I mean, guys went in and out of the UFC since the 1990s when it came out. And getting paid, Rampage, Jackson. Love that guy, man. He's great.

The Rampage is awesome. He's got his son. He was talking about Wanderlei's son. He has a son who does fighting, too. Oh, man. He's great. The Rampage is awesome. He's got his son. He was talking about Wanderlei's son. He has a son who does fighting, too. Oh, no. So their sons could fight. That could be a good fight. Oh, my God.

Wanderlei Rampage again. Wow. That's crazy. Those fights they had in Pride were nuts. That's something I really wish I had seen live. You never saw Pride live, no i did in vegas i saw pride in vegas but it wasn't man you see the you see the now though yeah the u.s i'll sign your stuff and no no no big fights man it's great to be a part of that oh yeah

but um what is different about japan and the the pride era was like you know you got like 90 000 people at the saitama super yeah or like the thriller manila right they said that was in africa right that was in africa ali versus foreman yeah biggest fight ever but that was when i was a kid i couldn't have seen that i could have gone to japan to watch one of those big crazy pride events, and I really feel like I should have. I really feel like I should have watched Fedor fight live when he was in his prime. I should have just flown out to Japan.

Fuck it. Because that's something that, like, that dude, like, you want to talk about a legend. Fedor. That dude, I mean, he could do it all. Yeah, I watched his YouTube stuff stuff too, Miracle Crow Cop. I watched all that stuff growing up, you know, YouTube. I got to catch everything. I studied that, I guess, everything.

When you were watching on YouTube, did you get together with friends and practice? Like how did you put it together? Sometimes. I would shadow box. Shadow boxing is huge, man. Like if you can't punch the air, then you can't punch a person true you got to know how to throw a punch and be prepared to miss be prepared to land and you know make it count because that's what a punch is for it's like i could take you out quick i don't but you know i

guess that's what the gloves do, right? Yeah. I'm going to go back to that. The boxing gloves give you a longer fight, a harder fight. Yeah. No gloves. It's faster paced. They can't take it. There's also the argument that you take more brain damage with gloves because you get hit more because it's easier to just hit you full blast.

Yeah. You can't train bare knuckle, though. So how do you train? You just train with regular boxing gloves? Well, sometimes, right? But only, like, mitts. And you can't spar with anyone. No one's trying to go bare knuckle with me.

Right. We got to put 16s on and hit that wave with headgear. Don't you think in that case, like, your previous experience in bare knuckle is a giant advantage to anybody that wants to just step in and try it now? Anybody even? But I fought someone with nine fights. Yes. Oh, no doubt.

First time. Right. No doubt. I think it's boxing. I think I know boxing good. And I think I'm a great boxer. I'm 0-1, so I want to get a boxing match that counts onto my record because the trailer one didn't right so i'm still technically oh and one i want to get a boxing match jake paul that would be you know

he's about to fight nate diaz so yeah that's. That's a good fight, man. Good for both of them. I think Nate's going to teach him some lessons. All I was getting at was that you can definitely box, definitely. What I'm saying is that you've done it with bare knuckle more than once. It's too easy, man. Nobody wants to smoke that way. Nobody wants it. You can't spar that way.

You can't spar that way, right? Right. So wants to smoke that way. Nobody wants. But you're saying you can't spar that way. Right. You can't spar that way, right? Right. So that's a unique experience the first time anybody ever does it. But you've already done it. Right. You've done it multiple times successfully. That's a giant advantage.

It's a giant advantage you have right now. Yeah. It's very interesting. Yeah. And you're such a dog that you're like particularly designed for like that kind of fighting. When I was watching that Rockhold fight, I was like, Jesus train a lot man i look if you look at pictures of me in that moment when i was fighting i look like a different person i've kind of lost it since that fight i've built that up so much for the camp i was a different man i was chisiseled. I was focused. I was straightened out. I let myself go a little bit after the fight.

You're supposed to. I think that's how you heal. You just kind of start laying around and, you know. Relax for a little bit. Yeah, just hang out. Yeah. Did you bulk up for that fight? I tried to eat more, yeah.

I eat good anyways. bulk up for that fight? I tried to eat more. Yeah, I tried to. I eat good anyways. I love going to restaurants and just getting some nice little wagyu or fucking caviar and all type of that. Oysters. Suck them down while I'm hungry.

I like the sound effects. Yeah. That's hilarious. Thanks. Yeah, man. You're living good. You're supposed to. You. Ah, that's hilarious. Thanks. Yeah, man, you're living good. You're supposed to. You're supposed to be living good. The alcohol, I got to quit, though.

Yeah. I will again, but, you know, damn, I'm going to just sip on it next time. This morning was rough, boy. I ain't going to lie. This morning was rough. The ice bath, like that saved my life. Woke you right up. Yeah.

We have a new blue cube ice bath that is like a running river. And you climb inside of it and it's torturous. It's torturous. It's great. I'm thinking about it right now. I got some work I'm getting done on Friday. I'm doing PT a lot now. Yeah, I'm doing PT, man.

What's going on with your neck? My shoulder's just tight, I guess. It's like, you know, I go southpaw sometimes to try to make it feel better. It's like I do so much this way that this gets tight. Or I get hit so much maybe on this side this side gets tight you know what i mean so then it just takes pt and focus on it and you ever had stem cells on it no man that would be cool yeah that would be cool i think that's i think that's your move yeah and put a needle it feels like go ahead man just put a needle in that motherfucker

and squirt a bunch of that shit in there gordon ryan um had some stem cells injected i think he was into his shoulder and it fixed his neck problem he had a neck problem for a while he was saying and uh just because it goes it goes through your whole body but it's they do it on the site of the injury but it's still you, there's a lot of it. Helps repair. Yeah, it repairs all over your body. It's like a sperm goop that fucking lays all over your shit and makes new genetics or DNA. Maybe.

It, like, attaches to your DNA. I wouldn't want to grade that in a science class. I don't know if that's exactly how it goes down. It's making babies. Whatever that goop is, it makes some babies. It's replicating. It fixes. Yeah.

That was a weird way to put it. I know what you're saying, though. Yeah. I mean, it's something like that, whatever the fuck it is. You can take parts of other people's bodies and inject it into you and it helps things heal you just gotta work on on everything anyway so like gsp he's always posting like um you know stretches that he's doing or yeah so i mean he's doing that for a reason you gotta work an area out i know that you gotta train your like if when your neck's hurting you got to train like do do

your back pull-ups that's why i did that motion because i'm thinking about doing my back muscles so i got or the pull ends you know i got to strengthen the area around that's old school that's how we do it that's how you deal with pain you fucking work harder and you know i guess i've never i'm talking about you know why i haven't done stem cells and i don't know i don't really care i'm just gonna fucking deal with it and do it well i appreciate your toughness i appreciate your toughness but i mean i think maybe for your just your for your overall ability to be at your best, you should probably get it at least looked at. Do everything I can to try, yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I got the money for it, so. Oh, okay. I do got the money for it. Okay. It was like $10,000 for some stem cells. I would like to know.

I know that there's a really good place in Tijuana, the Cellular Performance Institute. I know the guys that run that. And a lot of MMA fighters have gone down there. A lot of MMA. Eddie Bravo's gone down there. A lot of guys went down there. I know people went to Columbia to do it, too. That's that bio-accelerator.

Panama has a great place. It's Dr. Neil Reardon's place. I actually sent my mom down there twice. Oh, really? Your mom got it done? Yeah, she was having knee issues. Yeah. Yeah, man, it absolutely can help with some, especially like soft tissue injuries.

It's interesting stuff. It's new advances like that. Medicine are fucking wild. Yeah, I know. I got to do that. Fixed tissue. It's just, it's always better if you're at your best, especially when you're thinking about it. But I feel like that's what a camp is.

I get these issues. Right. I've had this neck pain seems like my life force. That is driving my life. I feel like I never remember a time when I didn't have a pain in my neck or just a pain just walking around. In your neck always or just anywhere? Anywhere is understandable, but if it's in the same spot?

Something's always hurt. Right. Something's always hurt. Of course. My finger. Right. My neck. Yeah. If you're sparring all the time, something's always hurt right something's always hurt of course my finger right my neck yeah if you're sparring all the time something always hurt but but and what i'm worried about is that like the way you're describing it it could be like a chronic injury that could be limiting your ability like uh yoel who we're talking about yoel romero he has his neck fused

like you ever see a video of him? He had an operation where his disc was so fucked up, they had to fuse the discs in his neck. They had to fuse the spinal columns. Have you ever seen a video of him running? There's a video of him running, and his neck doesn't move because it's fused. The video says Yoel Romero runs like his neck is fused because it is. That's not with the back of his neck.

I don't know if that really looks like it. Oh, he do have a scar. Yeah, he does. So that's his neck is fused. Dang. I think he said that that was the most frightening time of his life because he was worried that he was going to die. But there's a video of him running, and it's crazy when you watch him run because like his

all of this doesn't move at all it's just completely straight and he just look at this look at his neck isn't that wild booging it but like his athleticism is insane and he's doing all this athleticism with a frozen neck imagine having to fight him bare knuckle that guy what a what a fucking stud he was so good and it's amazing that he's so good still at 46 years old is that what he is 46 i always think about guys like dan henderson why i love dan love dan henderson i love his fighting dan henderson's fighting was he that dude like if you ever like put your hand on his back feels like he's made out of wood like he doesn't feel like a normal person like something's

going on like there's a lady who i knew that was his massage therapist she's like it's like the most brutal thing just to get through all that hard tissue it's all just like knotted up like fucking wire it's my it's it's our evolution and it's fighters so i mean i don't want it like i stopped i don't like getting pedicures with girls and shit because then i'm like i i earn the souls of my feet through fighting whether whether i wear shoes boxing or i do a barefoot mma you know you earn the the soles of your feet so it's like you know doing certain things i don't know i should i want to fucking get a shot of stem cells in my neck right now while we're talking about it but yeah you probably should i gotta go i gotta go to another fucking country and no there's some stuff they can do uh actually even in austin way too well as an office

in austin yeah, you can get certain treatments today in America. It's just to really go full, whole hog, you've got to go somewhere else. And like I said, the place down in Tijuana,

everybody raves about it. I know a lot of people I know have been there. That's the Cellular Performance Institute, and then there's BioAccelerator in Columbia, and there's probably other ones too, including Dr. Neil Reardon's in Panama. But if you want to go there, apparently they can do a lot more wild shit

than we can do here. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, well, places don't be safe. I'll be staying home with the fam. Yeah. I keep myself out of trouble. I do some push-ups.

Yeah. And eat some food. That's why I like to watch cartoons. I hear you. With the kids. Play games. Call of Duty, man. You want to play that?

Yeah. If you ever wanted to go to the one in Tijuana, though, it's like right down from San Diego. You could just drive into it. Yeah. You know? San Diego, California? Yeah. Yeah, it's on the other side.

Oh, no. Yeah. East Coast, boy. East Coast, boy. Where are you? So, you born and raised in Florida? Like, where'd you grow up? You said Michigan, you said Flint at one point in time?

And then how'd you get to Florida? Mom and dad separated, and I used to go back and forth. There's a particular type of wild dude from Florida. It's so much so that there's like a name, Florida man. What the fuck is it about Florida? Tell me as a resident. I thought that was me. I thought the Florida man is me.

Because there's like a whole video and a drawing. It's like 40 minutes. I've been blessed in life where people, you know, find things interesting about me and make some cool videos. And I know you know about that, man. Yeah. You're the fucking coolest, bro. Everybody likes you, so. Thank you. Yeah, man.

But, man, I forgot. What did you ask me? I forget shit a lot, man. Fuck. Do you worry about that? No. No? I don't give I forget shit a lot, man. Fuck. Do you worry about that? No. No? I don't give a fuck.

Just deal with it? Yeah. My parents, everybody forgets shit, but, like, maybe you don't. I don't know. I don't know. You eat the alpha brain sometimes. And it helps with memory. Well, you know, the reason why I found what we even invented, alpha brain,

was because I had heard what Bill Romanowski did you know the football player he uh created this stuff called neuro one i was on this radio show in san francisco back in the day and uh one of the co-hosts of the radio show said hey i want you to try this stuff. My coach, Bill Romanowski, he was his trainer and his friend or something was getting him through workouts. He said, I want you to try this. It's a nootropic. And he developed it to help with the symptoms that he received from all the concussions that he got from playing football. He was having problems with his memory. So he developed this nutrient blend of things that enhance your memory. So that was the first one of those that we ever tried before I did Alpha Brain.

It's great shit. Yeah, I just took my first one before we did this. Did you? How's it feel? I'm wondering. I'm trying to think about it. I'm like, is it helping me? Because I'm forgetting all this shit.

But I probably need to keep doing it. Yeah, it's that laughing gas weed too that stuff is yeah i think that's what it is to be honest with you that's where my memory gets fucked up i get high in here i'm like what was i fucking talking about exactly it's really strong weed that's that joey diaz weed no i gotta love it though i gotta love some weed sometimes you gotta dumb yourself down just so exactly you know yeah and sometimes you gotta clear yourself up right yeah you know best of both worlds be the line just have to have discipline enjoy yourself but have discipline it's easy to live um you know

comfortably don't be mad uh you know i ain't have a lot growing up, but the best times were like just being on the move, doing stuff, hanging out. So that's life, man. I don't know. Do you have really an idea at any point where you'd like to retire or you'd like to do something else, or are you just going to ride it until the wheels fall off? Yeah, obviously. I have no choice. I have to, bro.

Please. Pay my bills, and I'll fight. Let's go. And pay them good, too. Pay better bills, big bills. I got monthly, yearly expenses. But I'm making good money. It's all right.

And it's getting better. So that'll come. I'm down to fight. Man, I earned it after all these years of doing it. Well, you definitely earned it. And you definitely earned a large fan base. I mean, that's really what it's all about. People know when they go to see Mike Perry fight,

especially now after these bare-knuckle fights, they know they're going to see some wild shit. There's guys in the UFC that have been there much longer than me and don't have more fights than me. I had 15 fights in five years. And all UFC fights, top guy, top 15 guys. And, you know, it was like a lesson. It was like learning how to be a martial artist. And, you know, and I've earned the right to compete against other great competitors in history for

Other great competitors in history for spectacles and, you know, competition. Try to beat these guys in rules that are written on paper, whatever the rules say. I don't care whatever it is. Let's fight, man. There's great guys out there, too. It's like the more bodies you get to work with, you pick up off of each one. But it is a long road. And sometimes I'm like, all right.

That's where I say fighting is a choice where it's like, well, I could just beat you. I'll just finish you right away. And then I don't have to get in this long drag out fight. I just take you out, quit, and it's over. So I can do that in competition and get paid for it. And the rest of the time, really, I'm just, um, you just, you know, work out, enjoy your workout. And then, you know, I only fight for something that makes a difference now. It's like, um, i can either beat you or and it does it benefits me or there's no reason to fight there's no reason to train and i know how to win so it's like i don't need to add to my own attrition um you know some people like those young boxers who have 200 fights some of them

kids are out there they're they're not coming back right you know uh so i've always been fortunate to have battles and hard shots are being thrown but i've been able to keep control of my mind enough i guess i need to be smarter though i need to read more books man i really gotta read i say read more books like i've ever read a book like shit i read like a goosebumps book when i was 11 and that was it what about books on tape have you ever listened to like uh um your books rich dad poor dad i listen to like two hours of that audio books are a great way to do it because it's passive and podcasts right yeah you're listening to people talk more yeah but you know podcasts it's a lot of it's just unless i mean other people's kind of podcasts you

can get informative stuff but on mine a lot of it is just shooting the shit. Whereas like a book on like an audio book, you can get like almost every book ever is on an audio book. Except some weird excuse or like, you know, obscure ones. But like what percentage of books are available in audio? I would like to know that. Kind of most of them. Definitely got to get on that. Most of them. Because like this is cool this

is the joe rogan experience and it teaches it's teaching me that like you know this is probably one of the longest conversations i've had with a human being and you know and you get to and i get to pick your brain and stuff and you know i'm all about learning man i guess i'm still so young i'm trying to figure it out i was thinking that a conversation is like a map and if you take the time you know the map um that you they call it you know that's why it's called spelling because it's magic and you built you draw on this map with your words and and the map leads to a path and treasure, and there's opportunities in life on your map. So your words are what make things happen.

Business, sit down, shoot the shit, genius fucking talking on comedy stage. Is that really the origin of the word spelling? That's what Bruce Lee says. I disagree with that, but it's something like that. That's crazy. That's crazy. It's magic.

That's why it's called spelling. It's a spell. For real, what is the origin? What does it say the origin of the word is? That sounds insane. Oh my god, imagine just like figured something out bruce lee said uh well so the mid-15th century the etymology of the word spell is the action of speaking of and utterance and then the meaning is putting that into letters but wow i'm i mean

back in the mid 15th century when they're talking about spells that's you know so back then just when they said spelling so the the action of reading letter by letter from the noun spell but the noun spell when But the noun spell, isn't that like, click on that. Because would that be like how to spell things out or was it like a magic spell? Is there a different kind of spell?

That's where, I mean, the English word spell has to be developed from wherever it came from. And that's where this is going to get into. It's a short form way to say he's right. I'm pretty sure. So maybe when they say to cast a spell.

That's what a lot of people. I have friends that say exactly what he was saying. Like, be careful what you say out loud because you're casting a spell as soon as you say it. Yeah, for sure. I wonder how much that is real. I feel like I've lost, you know, the path to fights. And the fight is won. It seems like it's won before you ever step foot in the ring.

And then or, you know, it's not going right. Something something adding up some I'm messing up somewhere just mentally. And, you know, and how to beat you in these rule sets. And, like, it comes out in the fight. And I've had, you know, tough fights where I lost before the fight even started. I'm like, it just seemed like I was supposed to lose. It just seemed like I was supposed to win. It was too easy when I won. Someone else is in control a lot of the times.

I try to make sure I'm the one in control, and that's how I've been thinking since having success in fights and new sport um but ultimately i just feel like there's another driving force that kind of makes things happen and i had no control over it and it's either It's a lesson I have to get through. So you think that, like, everything that comes up, every hurdle that comes up is a lesson for you? Is that how you approach it? Yeah, absolutely. Right? And, you know, I hope that those, I don't need to have training for a lesson where someone attacks us in public. I don't, you know, I don't have any experience in that. I have three bare knuckle boxing fights. I don't have any experience in being attacked on the street, and I don't want any, you know.

It's a weird thing. Like, people have weird attachments to, like, fate fate the idea that you have a fate. Mm-hmm But I wonder why they I wonder why people resist that I wonder why people think that's not real. I wonder why because in some ways Even if it was real, how the fuck would you know? How would you know you would have no idea but in some ways it seems like it behaves like it's real at least in some way like that there is kind of a way that it's all you feel like you've ever died before and then woke up and you're a different person but you're the same person but i mean you've been growing for years you thought here's the thing you

never know because you go to sleep every night. You used to look like a different human when you've been so young for so many years. Man, with hair, you looked like a different guy. Yeah, I did. I'm 55 years old. When I was a kid, 55, I was like, that's dead people. Those people are dead. 55, they're done, it's over and nowadays 55 it's like you're a kid you just you just reach in the best parts

of life is retirement stuff or like i don't know you've always had success so you just the most important thing is just to be healthy right that. That's the most important thing. That's where I'm lucky. I get to exercise. Yes. Yes. I get to. Otherwise, if fighting was not my job, I ain't doing shit. Really?

Don't you think you'd get the edge? Hell yeah, man. I like laying down and not doing nothing. Just like my dad back in the day. Just want to sit on the couch and eat some M&M's or something. Change, I don't know. I don't know. I need it sometimes, though.

My brain needs it. You need something. Well, it seems like you recognize balance, which is why you've kind of, like, relaxed after your last fight, which I think is important. I think you're right about that. It's probably good to let things heal,

but I really do hope you get that neck looked at. I'll connect you with Waste of Well before we i mean i get massaged oh my gosh i got one friday i had i was you know connor's always got the cupping he's always got the cupping marks and i was supposed to have a cupping appointment the other day and it's like she just did like four and moved them a couple times and mostly massaged i was like man i want to i want you to put a fucking cup and suck that shit out yeah all over my arms my back chest neck yeah balls everything. I want to, yeah. Yeah. For real, man. That's real pleasure.

I enjoy that. Go ahead, suck that pain out of my neck, man. I've only had that done once, the cupping thing. Maybe twice. Really? Yeah. I thought you dealt with stuff like- No, I do.

Because you're so- Get a lot of deep tissue. Into martial arts. Yeah, but the cupping thing I never really fucked with. Like two times i think i did it but uh a lot of people swear by it do you swear by it does it work for you i've gotten it a few times oh jesus look at that guy's back that's insane that's insane that looks so crazy it's saying it's a baseball player bryce harper but i'm not it looks like it probably

that oh that one that looks so fucking crazy that looks like it probably is. Oh, that one. I didn't even fucking see that over there. That looks so fucking crazy. That looks like spores are growing out of his back. Like they're contained to keep them from exploding and spraying spores into the air. They have a glass seal over them. Acupuncture hurts. That shit, I don't like it sometimes. I mean, massages have messed me up too.

Yeah. You get your thumb in there and then something pops in. Like, oh, shit. All right. And acupuncture. At the UFC, they used to attach that thing and put the little electric cord on it. Oh, yeah. Fucking like a tattoo gun that stabs you.

I don't know. It's not going in and out. It's just shocking you. I don't like that. hurts later yeah the little thin needle don't do much but then later you're like damn did you get relief with it though that whatever the injury was no it didn't help it did at the moment it's like it. It's like you get adrenaline in that area because you're being stabbed and electrocuted in a very small, pinchy way. Yeah, like a cunty way. It's like, ah. And later, it's so sore from getting.

You like acupuncture? No. I've only done it a few times. And I don't dislike it. I think it works for some people. At least they say it a few times. And I don't dislike it. I think it works for some people. At least they say it works for them. Maybe there's a placebo effect. Some people swear by it.

They might be right. I didn't have good experience with it. But it might have been. I only did it with one guy. I mean, maybe some people are better at it. But deep tissue massage has always helped. That helps a lot i could sit there for six hours and let yeah i think that's that's really important like when

you get knotted up and yeah that's why i worry about your neck like there might be something chronic in there but i feel like it always does this it comes back and you have to pt it and you work but that's i mean the stem cell is definitely a part of that for some people you ever use an iron neck like a workout machine no it's it's not like a it's a halo that you put on your head you've heard of it oh yeah it really helps free floating yes and you control the resistance in how much effort you want to put going side to side. So you're not putting pressure on the discs because you're not bending like this, which some people think if you do it wrong could fuck you up.

But this is different because your neck is always straight up and down, and you're strengthening all the muscles while working on your range of motion with this halo. I'll get you one. I think we have them here. Don't we have them here? I think we still have a couple. Yeah, i'll get you one i think we have them here don't we have them here i think we still have a couple yeah i'll get you one yeah you'll like that'd be cool it's great and maybe that will help you too because i know a lot of people that have had neck problems and they do

it slowly and it strengthens the muscles around that area and like maybe creates because of the resistance creates a little bit more range of motion, you know? Yeah, that's why I need something. Do you ever do yoga or anything like that to stretch out? I used to, man. I used to do P90X back in the day. Oh, okay. Back in the day. Yoga is, I don't know, the boxing. I like to be tight sometimes, right?

Like before a fight, I wouldn't want to be having to get massaged up. You like to be tight. I like um before a fight i wouldn't want to be having to get massaged up um you like to be tight i like to earn that tension yeah in the gym i work on it but i feel like i earned the pain and then interesting yeah and then i don't know i just i've worked through it though that's what i'm supposed to do I work through it, though. That's what I'm supposed to do. Yeah, your mentality is very unique. That's interesting.

I have no choice, bro. But what if it helped you perform better if you got it massaged out? You could be too loose. If you're too loose, you're not as fast. Really? Yeah. That's what I believe. But there's a lot of very i know some boxers some coaches are like i don't know a good boxing coach before their fighter boxes they're like hitting them on the neck with stuff or like little hits some do like a rub like right

before which is weird to me right i would honestly be like don't fucking touch me before we go out there and work like i have this i just when i have a fight an event i have to create this aura that fucking a force field that pushes you know my way through things and like when me me and Conor McGregor faced off, he was moving all over the place and I stood my ground. I stood so still. I stood still and I couldn't be, you know, wavered or moved. He's moving all over the place.

I mean, that says that he was free in that moment to do so, obviously. But it was me respectfully calling him out, which shows the professional in martial arts that I have been for so many years. How do you call a man out in a sport that you know he has a family and um you know you guys want to hurt each other and they can honor it in a fair way and uh promote it to be entertaining i mean everything he does people watch that shit so it was great to have him there it really boosted the moment for me um listen if he decided to do that if somehow or another they gave him the green light to do that i did i can't imagine how that could ever happen but if it did if that happened in in a bare knuckle fight that would be fucking bananas that would be bananas that would be he's a good kicker too he kicked cowboy serr Cerrone in the head and he fucking yanked my arm.

Yeah, he's a very good kicker. He's a very good kicker. He could do everything. But, I mean, if somehow or another he agreed to fight Baron Knuckleman, Jesus Christ, you know how big that would be? Whew. My Lord, Mike. You versus him.

He practices it. And, yeah, he beat a guy who got me. So it's a great fight, man. That would be wild. It would be cool, man. They say it's the pink panty night now because I released a video on Instagram of me eating my girlfriend's panty. If they did that in bare knuckle, it would get a million pay-per-view buys

At least With Conor? Probably more Probably more Two? Three? Yeah, probably get two or three No, I don't I don't have enough fans

I don't know how many sell What was he saying to you? Fair play to you, man Respect ya I love the way he talks I fight ya no you, man. Respect you. I love the way he talks. I fight you no problem, man. That's okay. I just...

It just happened, man, before that fight for that camp. Oh, wow. It really... So your friend who died, he died just from the sparring match just a sparring incident yeah man terrible and he was everyone knew him he was so tough such a tough guy it's an unpredictable thing those kind of injuries are an unpredictable thing. So, you know. Yeah. It's tough, man. It's fucking even more to fight for, though, man. That's why, you know, I guess I have to.

I used to say it back in the day. I was one of my call outs in the UFC. Whose life you want me to ruin next? Fuck yeah, dude. Somebody's life going to be fucked up, man. And it's you or it's me. Let's go. I'm going to figure it out give me some money give me some more i need cooler things toys i flew private these kenpie pandas fucking flew me out private and and put me up in a car in a nice beach house. I took the family to vacay.

It was beautiful in Destin, Florida. I'd never been up there in that little panhandle of the peninsula or the Florida Gulf of Mexico. That's what it is. That water is so sketchy, though, man. I don't fuck with the ocean like that. It's sketchy. Did you see that video of that Russian dude getting beaten by a shark it's gotta suck bro that's gotta suck i kind of that's gotta

suck that's a rough way to go son you can't see that motherfucker like you can't get away gotta get a hold of them world they can move fast and they got knives in their mouth a giant thing rob deer deck went down there and rob deer deck did it yeah he went down with the chain mail and let a shark bite him oh he's so crazy that is so crazy because just the bite force bro just the scuba diving right just going underwater breathing in a fucking hole and you think it's so hard i did it in hawaii i almost fucking passed out my friend duncan was staying at this resort in maui and right where he was staying a lady got snatched offshore snatched by a Was it a lady or a guy? It was recently in Maui, like real close to the beach.

But, like, Duncan was there. I think he was there a week later. Like, fuck that. There's sharks out there killing people? And you're just going to go swimming because the water's warm? Are you out of your fucking mind? I don't know. Male swing 60 yards. No, the water was beautiful and destined.

And it's like, I would jump in and then go back to the sand. Oh, the woman was the one where a man was swimming with his wife. Oh, I actually found one where this is actually more recent. I saw this Russian couple doing ice baths in the winter in Russia. And they dug a hole in the ice. and the wife jumps in the fucking hole, and the current took her under the fucking ice, and she died. Oh, my God. She's gone. They lost her.

Oh, my God. It's fucking Russian people. Oh, my God. They didn't know that it was a raging river? Fuck, man. Oh, my God. Could you fucking imagine the horror? Oh, my God. Could you fucking imagine the horror? Oh my God.

Imagine cutting a hole in a river and not realizing what you've done when you jump in and you can never swim up river. No, no. Don't show me. This is so crazy. It happened in front of her family too. Oh Jesus Christ.

It's terrible man. but but maybe you know people people live on in life through their experiences and you know it's like we're all connected you know in the in the fucking stars and shit and for sure everything you experience is now a part of human life. She went down instantly? Instant. And then the guy goes in right after, which I don't know how he made it up. Oh, God damn it, man.

We all are. Have you ever been to Japan? Yes. That cool? Yeah. It was very interesting. I was there very briefly because it was just for a UFC. No.

But it was interesting. It was beautiful. Did you have some Wagyu? No. We had some sushi, though. Mm. Yeah. No. But it was interesting. It was beautiful. Did you have some Wagyu? No. We had some sushi, though. Mm. Yeah. Mm.

Nigiri? We had- I see you being eaten at with a private chef or whatever. Yeah. I like- I'm more into sashimi these days. I'm trying not to eat too much rice. I've been on a carnivore diet.

Yeah. I like a little bit of rice sometimes. Me too. I do too. You mostly keto? Yeah, right now. I'm just trying this out. I'm trying this out for a few months, seeing how I like it.

So far, I like it. That's good. I cheated a little bit. I had an acai bowl the other day. That's nice. You got to get over the hump with it. Nah, sometimes I just feel like trying to,

I don't want to be strict with myself, you know, seven days a week. One day a week if I feel like eating something stupid and want some ice cream.

You see this shit The Rock eats? Oh my God. He goes ham. He goes, he's like, cheat meal Sunday. Yeah.

Fucking. Peanut butter and pancakes and Jesus Christ. And a glass of tequila. He goes in, man. Well, if you're going to do it one day a week, that's the way to do it. Obviously, it works. Listen, Mike Perry, I'm honored to be a part of the longest conversation you've ever had

with a human. Thanks, dude. I appreciate you. I appreciate your fighting style and your fighting spirit, man. You're a fun dude to watch. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. Thank you, man.

I hope I can entertain the world. Fuck yeah. All right. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. spirit, man. You're a fun dude to watch. I'm a fan. Thank you. I'm a fan. Thank you, man. Thank you. I hope I can entertain the world. Fuck yeah. All right. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Bye, everybody.